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is there still the fullness and are you still the fullness
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lay3
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i think i can create that illusion the illusion that these sensations are distinct and special from the rest of existence and im looking at space and i tell you the main thing why i tend to kind of think i must be in location one because i remember the early descriptions of it
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loc1
| 17 |
can totally happen um and when youre deep in that sense of fullness and presence does it feel like you are the presence you are awareness
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lay3
| 27 |
right and thats not an easy thing for them to do youre not in any different position just because youre in fundamental wellbeing youve got an established life self within this i dont know if you were listening to the last call with annemieke talking to someone who was basically kind of new in location three and had lost it it was there for like you know five days or something and then fell out of it and was interested in getting back to it or whatever but one thing that i thought was really interesting that she basically said is that you know as youre going through the location to to location three to location four theres like this progression of the loss of the personal self at location three and then the loss of the non personal self at location four and so even though youre not thinking of yourself as sort of having a sense of self there is a self that sort of has to die to some degree or has to surrender or has to give way just like ive advised you know a zillion people right over your time of helping them to transition to fundamental wellbeing you know
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tfwc
| 23 |
being like a container for whats arising and the stuff thats arising
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lay2
| 26 |
richness of layer three
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lay3
| 27 |
self detect this and and self assess quite accurately
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tfw
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but its definitely in the direction of layer four and in the direction of location four
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loc4lay4
| 15 |
when it is only touched upon temporarily it does not necessarily feel as though it is not a state as it does when it is experienced deeply and persistently because the sense of individual self remains partially intact in earlier locations
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loc3lay4
| 11 |
communicating more directly with reality
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lay3
| 27 |
centralist again
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lay3
| 27 |
joyous things
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loc3
| 19 |
layer three and location two
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loc2lay3
| 6 |
theres also the path of freedom and the path of humanity
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loc5+
| 16 |
reduction in selfreferential thoughts both in the direction of layer four and in the direction of location four
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loc1lay4
| 3 |
pure emotion
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loc3
| 19 |
location 3 individuals can make amazing partners especially if their fundamental wellbeing deepening did not occur in isolation
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loc3
| 19 |
pulls everything into it
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loc4
| 20 |
do you have a single emotion of love and joy and compassion and maybe some other things that are combined and present all the time kind of as one big meta emotion where you have one of those in the foreground at any given point maybe love is in the foreground but theyre all still present and this is a continuous experience its always there for you if they say yes to that then obviously you start to suspect that they might be in location three
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loc3
| 19 |
it might even feel as if something larger than you is making decisions and taking action through you
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loc2
| 18 |
meditation
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tfw
| 22 |
i have this sense of union
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loc3
| 19 |
for some people this location and layer can feel lonely at first because it feels like there is only this one thing as the experience of a personal self is left behind a sense of meaninglessness or starkness can also accompany this layer and it can bring with it changes in or loss of motivation
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loc2lay2
| 5 |
in location 1 layer 4 the marketplace is a forum of exchange not just of goods but of ideas cultures and kindness
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loc1lay4
| 3 |
i was basically doing the layer three thing the whole drive while she was reading one of her stories to me
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lay3
| 27 |
remaining active describing analyzing
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lay1
| 25 |
so i decided that i needed to spend more time back in location two and really started focusing on deconditioning
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loc2
| 18 |
field of love joy compassion
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loc3
| 19 |
layer two and have an immense amount of activity at layer one
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lay2
| 26 |
bliss is overrated so thank god that went away
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loc2
| 18 |
what im wondering about your description there is whether or not one couldnt describe that as still some spaciousness that youre rooted in in terms of maybe not as deep as other spaciousness that youre experiencing but it doesnt sound to me like youre you know very deeply embedded in thoughts and emotions
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lay2
| 26 |
post transition
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tfwp
| 24 |
packets of energy
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lay3
| 27 |
of joy or is it the aliveness
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lay3
| 27 |
empathic psychic stuff you say probably not related to fundamental wellbeing but who knows since i was a child i often knew what other people were feeling or thinking i assumed this is developed because it was needed to survive later as a pastor things like synchronicity and healing ministry played a big part right now i wonder what the relation is of these kinds of things to fundamental well being
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tfw
| 22 |
in that moment do you think that youre just moving deeper into layer two
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lay2
| 26 |
individualized portions of their self going away
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loc5+
| 16 |
and then you can spend those weeks really using all those methods and the practices we give you to sink into and explore deepen into layer two
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lay2
| 26 |
the eucharist
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loc3
| 19 |
frankly and i havent had experiences like that with the exception of one in the last month i dont really have experiences like that anymore but i do sometimes wonder if im kind of when some conditioning is triggered im getting pulled back into layer one theres more discreet conventional kind of emotional experience and then im able to kind of like slingshot back into location three sometimes i have to be more intentional sometimes it feels just like boom boom ive gone in and out really quick other times i think i have to be more intentional about it and i have to it wheres the peace wheres the love wheres that sense of you know god or the divine and then you know i can transition back pretty quickly
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lay1
| 25 |
flat
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lay4
| 28 |
the bustling streets of location 1 layer 4 are overlaid with a palpable sense of silence that quiets the mind
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loc1lay4
| 3 |
the architecture of location 1 layer 4 blends form and function with mindfulness creating spaces that heal and inspire
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loc1lay4
| 3 |
field of presence
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lay3
| 27 |
layer three is still and peaceful
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lay3
| 27 |
would be in the shadow of forms of fundamental wellbeing is to develop
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tfw
| 22 |
it wasnt empty its all of a sudden full
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lay3
| 27 |
big distinction is often in the sense of whether or not there is a union or a merging or a dissolving into or a sameness or you know and and no difference from and i am sort of you know that presence that shows up you know you know to borrow your word from a minute ago channeling jesus you know you know is you know is is there a merger or a union with jesus
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loc3
| 19 |
this produces the sense of a return to the body in location 4 because it is a return to the raw existence of everything
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loc4lay4
| 15 |
acceptance
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tfw
| 22 |
depth of nonduality
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loc2
| 18 |
youve had that awareness presence all that thing fall away which happens in more or less layer four
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lay4
| 28 |
as you go into location three
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loc3
| 19 |
predicting
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lay1
| 25 |
ive been in layer one for so long
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lay1
| 25 |
so i would save that one for when you do want to explore location four and just not use it until that point
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loc4
| 20 |
the location four thing happened when i was aiming for location three
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loc4
| 20 |
you know obviously if youve been in fundamental wellbeing since i think youre you might have said 2017 or somewhere around there
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tfwp
| 24 |
loss of affinity
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lay3
| 27 |
memories also tend to arise less because there is an increased focus of attention on the present and because the past is no longer valued as defining the sense of self
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loc2lay1
| 4 |
a shallow location two with access to layer one
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loc2lay1
| 4 |
and if weve asked things and youve been like oh it is actually everywhere and it is actually quite centerless so its heading in that direction
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lay3
| 27 |
fundamental wellbeing we renormalize so quickly you know we have a change and it feels like this amazing thing for like you know a day or a week or you know a few hours or something and then it like becomes the new normal
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tfw
| 22 |
planning and taking action mostly rely on external stimuli to initiate them as there is no internal drive or energy to do so
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loc4lay1
| 12 |
pulled out of fundamental object
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nfw
| 21 |
i would mean that youve already described youve experienced the benefits of layer two to deconditioning and that is something youve you know highlighted as being important to you and something youre working on
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lay2
| 26 |
right and i think youre going to see probably some continual evolution of that that will bring some more of this location for stuff
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loc4
| 20 |
um your system isnt necessarily recognizing that what youre experiencing is an entirely different quality of self um of what you are because its kind of like oh well selfs gone
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lay3
| 27 |
trying to reach beyond this is nothing
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lay4
| 28 |
location five and six
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loc5+
| 16 |
fundamental for wellbeing for a long time very deepened got into the no emotion sort of place with it you know perhaps
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tfwp
| 24 |
you know everyones system has their own way of in a sense translating you know information that its receiving whether thats sort of becomes visual or it becomes thought or some you know sense sensation
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lay2
| 26 |
did you get a sense that he is going to layer three
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lay3
| 27 |
and does the vast stillness have any quality that you would describe as spacious or empty
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lay2
| 26 |
wellbeing
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tfw
| 22 |
problem solver
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lay1
| 25 |
empty space in the headless area um but a lot of my time is spent at work right now and work is have a lot of conditioning to do there extensively and theres a lot of things related to that that i think are either pulling me down at some points
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lay2
| 26 |
hallmarks of location four motion is obviously one
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loc4
| 20 |
layer two more spacious more distance more space around thoughts and emotions type of thing um
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lay2
| 26 |
the experience of everything is reduced to raw sense data and it feels as though it is all just existence unfolding spontaneously
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loc4lay4
| 15 |
location 2 the positive nature of their emotions continues to increase
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loc2
| 18 |
so the negative thoughts will stop and the negative feelings will become sensation and and not its not that uncomfortable anymore i can stay with the sensation for a long time
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lay2
| 26 |
so just to let your ego give you a break theres nothing as far as i can tell from your document from where youre at now based on when youve transitioned youve had many deeper experiences
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lay1
| 25 |
peace
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loc2
| 18 |
location four and that kind of process
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loc4
| 20 |
essentially this is a metaawareness of what is happening in the mind but there is no sense of being able to engage with it like there is in previous locations
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loc4lay1
| 12 |
although they may not be very good at remembering things
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loc4
| 20 |
is there a union with the divine
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loc3
| 19 |
sounds and colors and everything just becomes enjoyable
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lay3
| 27 |
layer two is a sense
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lay2
| 26 |
stable
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loc3
| 19 |
its like its got its own gravitational pull
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lay3
| 27 |
okay great so do you think when that centralist experience shows up that its a transition from location one
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loc1
| 17 |
sense of of presence
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lay3
| 27 |
the pieces of the remaining aspects of the narrativeself that fall away in these later locations are often old deep and very complexly embedded in the psyche
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loc5+
| 16 |
it does come and go yeah yeah but say you like out in the trees probably once a month so thats when its at its peak aw yeah yeah i even felt that in the city actually on the full moon because i went out in the night and rode my bike around the city for 3 or 4 hours and enjoyed the moon over the water
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loc2lay3
| 6 |
when you land in location five that youre basically playing with fluidity so you sort of laid down a track in a certain direction that your system might follow
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loc5+
| 16 |
but it does sort of have a permeating quality in the space as well
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lay2
| 26 |
kind of benevolent existence that pervades the spaciousness
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lay3
| 27 |
but really as soon as you begin to deepen in location two that self begins to fall away
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loc2
| 18 |
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