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is there still the fullness and are you still the fullness
lay3
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i think i can create that illusion the illusion that these sensations are distinct and special from the rest of existence and im looking at space and i tell you the main thing why i tend to kind of think i must be in location one because i remember the early descriptions of it
loc1
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can totally happen um and when youre deep in that sense of fullness and presence does it feel like you are the presence you are awareness
lay3
27
right and thats not an easy thing for them to do youre not in any different position just because youre in fundamental wellbeing youve got an established life self within this i dont know if you were listening to the last call with annemieke talking to someone who was basically kind of new in location three and had lost it it was there for like you know five days or something and then fell out of it and was interested in getting back to it or whatever but one thing that i thought was really interesting that she basically said is that you know as youre going through the location to to location three to location four theres like this progression of the loss of the personal self at location three and then the loss of the non personal self at location four and so even though youre not thinking of yourself as sort of having a sense of self there is a self that sort of has to die to some degree or has to surrender or has to give way just like ive advised you know a zillion people right over your time of helping them to transition to fundamental wellbeing you know
tfwc
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being like a container for whats arising and the stuff thats arising
lay2
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richness of layer three
lay3
27
self detect this and and self assess quite accurately
tfw
22
but its definitely in the direction of layer four and in the direction of location four
loc4lay4
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when it is only touched upon temporarily it does not necessarily feel as though it is not a state as it does when it is experienced deeply and persistently because the sense of individual self remains partially intact in earlier locations
loc3lay4
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communicating more directly with reality
lay3
27
centralist again
lay3
27
joyous things
loc3
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layer three and location two
loc2lay3
6
theres also the path of freedom and the path of humanity
loc5+
16
reduction in selfreferential thoughts both in the direction of layer four and in the direction of location four
loc1lay4
3
pure emotion
loc3
19
location 3 individuals can make amazing partners especially if their fundamental wellbeing deepening did not occur in isolation
loc3
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pulls everything into it
loc4
20
do you have a single emotion of love and joy and compassion and maybe some other things that are combined and present all the time kind of as one big meta emotion where you have one of those in the foreground at any given point maybe love is in the foreground but theyre all still present and this is a continuous experience its always there for you if they say yes to that then obviously you start to suspect that they might be in location three
loc3
19
it might even feel as if something larger than you is making decisions and taking action through you
loc2
18
meditation
tfw
22
i have this sense of union
loc3
19
for some people this location and layer can feel lonely at first because it feels like there is only this one thing as the experience of a personal self is left behind a sense of meaninglessness or starkness can also accompany this layer and it can bring with it changes in or loss of motivation
loc2lay2
5
in location 1 layer 4 the marketplace is a forum of exchange not just of goods but of ideas cultures and kindness
loc1lay4
3
i was basically doing the layer three thing the whole drive while she was reading one of her stories to me
lay3
27
remaining active describing analyzing
lay1
25
so i decided that i needed to spend more time back in location two and really started focusing on deconditioning
loc2
18
field of love joy compassion
loc3
19
layer two and have an immense amount of activity at layer one
lay2
26
bliss is overrated so thank god that went away
loc2
18
what im wondering about your description there is whether or not one couldnt describe that as still some spaciousness that youre rooted in in terms of maybe not as deep as other spaciousness that youre experiencing but it doesnt sound to me like youre you know very deeply embedded in thoughts and emotions
lay2
26
post transition
tfwp
24
packets of energy
lay3
27
of joy or is it the aliveness
lay3
27
empathic psychic stuff you say probably not related to fundamental wellbeing but who knows since i was a child i often knew what other people were feeling or thinking i assumed this is developed because it was needed to survive later as a pastor things like synchronicity and healing ministry played a big part right now i wonder what the relation is of these kinds of things to fundamental well being
tfw
22
in that moment do you think that youre just moving deeper into layer two
lay2
26
individualized portions of their self going away
loc5+
16
and then you can spend those weeks really using all those methods and the practices we give you to sink into and explore deepen into layer two
lay2
26
the eucharist
loc3
19
frankly and i havent had experiences like that with the exception of one in the last month i dont really have experiences like that anymore but i do sometimes wonder if im kind of when some conditioning is triggered im getting pulled back into layer one theres more discreet conventional kind of emotional experience and then im able to kind of like slingshot back into location three sometimes i have to be more intentional sometimes it feels just like boom boom ive gone in and out really quick other times i think i have to be more intentional about it and i have to it wheres the peace wheres the love wheres that sense of you know god or the divine and then you know i can transition back pretty quickly
lay1
25
flat
lay4
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the bustling streets of location 1 layer 4 are overlaid with a palpable sense of silence that quiets the mind
loc1lay4
3
the architecture of location 1 layer 4 blends form and function with mindfulness creating spaces that heal and inspire
loc1lay4
3
field of presence
lay3
27
layer three is still and peaceful
lay3
27
would be in the shadow of forms of fundamental wellbeing is to develop
tfw
22
it wasnt empty its all of a sudden full
lay3
27
big distinction is often in the sense of whether or not there is a union or a merging or a dissolving into or a sameness or you know and and no difference from and i am sort of you know that presence that shows up you know you know to borrow your word from a minute ago channeling jesus you know you know is you know is is there a merger or a union with jesus
loc3
19
this produces the sense of a return to the body in location 4 because it is a return to the raw existence of everything
loc4lay4
15
acceptance
tfw
22
depth of nonduality
loc2
18
youve had that awareness presence all that thing fall away which happens in more or less layer four
lay4
28
as you go into location three
loc3
19
predicting
lay1
25
ive been in layer one for so long
lay1
25
so i would save that one for when you do want to explore location four and just not use it until that point
loc4
20
the location four thing happened when i was aiming for location three
loc4
20
you know obviously if youve been in fundamental wellbeing since i think youre you might have said 2017 or somewhere around there
tfwp
24
loss of affinity
lay3
27
memories also tend to arise less because there is an increased focus of attention on the present and because the past is no longer valued as defining the sense of self
loc2lay1
4
a shallow location two with access to layer one
loc2lay1
4
and if weve asked things and youve been like oh it is actually everywhere and it is actually quite centerless so its heading in that direction
lay3
27
fundamental wellbeing we renormalize so quickly you know we have a change and it feels like this amazing thing for like you know a day or a week or you know a few hours or something and then it like becomes the new normal
tfw
22
planning and taking action mostly rely on external stimuli to initiate them as there is no internal drive or energy to do so
loc4lay1
12
pulled out of fundamental object
nfw
21
i would mean that youve already described youve experienced the benefits of layer two to deconditioning and that is something youve you know highlighted as being important to you and something youre working on
lay2
26
right and i think youre going to see probably some continual evolution of that that will bring some more of this location for stuff
loc4
20
um your system isnt necessarily recognizing that what youre experiencing is an entirely different quality of self um of what you are because its kind of like oh well selfs gone
lay3
27
trying to reach beyond this is nothing
lay4
28
location five and six
loc5+
16
fundamental for wellbeing for a long time very deepened got into the no emotion sort of place with it you know perhaps
tfwp
24
you know everyones system has their own way of in a sense translating you know information that its receiving whether thats sort of becomes visual or it becomes thought or some you know sense sensation
lay2
26
did you get a sense that he is going to layer three
lay3
27
and does the vast stillness have any quality that you would describe as spacious or empty
lay2
26
wellbeing
tfw
22
problem solver
lay1
25
empty space in the headless area um but a lot of my time is spent at work right now and work is have a lot of conditioning to do there extensively and theres a lot of things related to that that i think are either pulling me down at some points
lay2
26
hallmarks of location four motion is obviously one
loc4
20
layer two more spacious more distance more space around thoughts and emotions type of thing um
lay2
26
the experience of everything is reduced to raw sense data and it feels as though it is all just existence unfolding spontaneously
loc4lay4
15
location 2 the positive nature of their emotions continues to increase
loc2
18
so the negative thoughts will stop and the negative feelings will become sensation and and not its not that uncomfortable anymore i can stay with the sensation for a long time
lay2
26
so just to let your ego give you a break theres nothing as far as i can tell from your document from where youre at now based on when youve transitioned youve had many deeper experiences
lay1
25
peace
loc2
18
location four and that kind of process
loc4
20
essentially this is a metaawareness of what is happening in the mind but there is no sense of being able to engage with it like there is in previous locations
loc4lay1
12
although they may not be very good at remembering things
loc4
20
is there a union with the divine
loc3
19
sounds and colors and everything just becomes enjoyable
lay3
27
layer two is a sense
lay2
26
stable
loc3
19
its like its got its own gravitational pull
lay3
27
okay great so do you think when that centralist experience shows up that its a transition from location one
loc1
17
sense of of presence
lay3
27
the pieces of the remaining aspects of the narrativeself that fall away in these later locations are often old deep and very complexly embedded in the psyche
loc5+
16
it does come and go yeah yeah but say you like out in the trees probably once a month so thats when its at its peak aw yeah yeah i even felt that in the city actually on the full moon because i went out in the night and rode my bike around the city for 3 or 4 hours and enjoyed the moon over the water
loc2lay3
6
when you land in location five that youre basically playing with fluidity so you sort of laid down a track in a certain direction that your system might follow
loc5+
16
but it does sort of have a permeating quality in the space as well
lay2
26
kind of benevolent existence that pervades the spaciousness
lay3
27
but really as soon as you begin to deepen in location two that self begins to fall away
loc2
18