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there is still a sense of self but it feels formless impersonal and in union with the allpervading presence
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loc3lay2
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it becomes more difficult access to layer 3 and to return to previous locations
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loc4lay3
| 14 |
in one spot i am spaciousness
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lay2
| 26 |
expansion of sense of self
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loc1
| 17 |
finders often assume this is something to go beyond but it is just the nature of layer 1 and if subjective experience is centered there this quality of a more individualized or personal self naturally arises
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loc2lay1
| 4 |
its aliveness
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lay3
| 27 |
there was no agency
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loc4
| 20 |
actually discovered this because i was following a teacher who was saying that awareness is limitless infinite and so forth and if you extend your attention to the limits of your consciousness you cant find the limit but i can find the limit and uh its actually just this i have a sense that initially when i transitioned i had the sense that the world ended where my perceptions ended so there was nothing beyond these walls and so forth and when i explore that when i initially explored that i had the sense that there was this kind of curved limit like a sphere or like a like a disc and i also feel that if i try to go with my attention to to the limit like try to to sense the end of my consciousness or awareness or whatever
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loc2lay3
| 6 |
especially the parts where it mixes in with layer two
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lay2
| 26 |
fullness as a is an attribute of layer three and so you know focusing on sort of a core attribute of layer three is no guarantee that its going to just continue to sort of deepen you further into layer three to the point where that will fall away the safest thing to sort of focus on is a sense of silence or stillness whichever one of those is most relevant to you and that in your experience is sort of thats the thread that sort of runs you know to the deepest point in this particular you know sequence um and so if i were to focus on anything it would probably be um you know to focus on that the other thing that i would focus on is trying to perceive whats on the other side of that boundary
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lay3
| 27 |
worries about my life in lay one create a vision for my life which i then implement and worry about convinced its right but not at all confident
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loc3lay1
| 8 |
no creating or dissolving
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loc4
| 20 |
layer 4 is the home layer of location 4 and later up until this location it tends to be experienced partially and temporarily
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loc4lay4
| 15 |
something that seems true to a finder in location 3
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loc3
| 19 |
locations 1
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loc1
| 17 |
in location 1 layer 4 the morning dew on leaves isnt just water its a reminder of the delicate interconnections within all life
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loc1lay4
| 3 |
pervasiveness
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lay2
| 26 |
there is a really kind of deliciousness in that sense of union
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loc3
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thats generally your sense of what you are except when your attention gets very pulled into layer one at which point we dont know for sure whether your identity shifts there or whether just all of your attention is occupied with it and youre not noticing the the space around things
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lay1
| 25 |
yeah i guess i on my scale was relating the depth of emotion and feeling you know that unpleasant feeling to layer one
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loc1lay1
| 0 |
layer three in a sense theres i was just having a friend dinner with a friend last night and i said the one thing even layer four i said i which is where i investigate i still have a thing of i care about what people think about me and i say that theres no self well thats just silly but the conditioning and ive looked at it and done spend time with it and its almost laughable in a certain way the way it arises i can see it and i kind of laugh at it but it still shows up so in some sense theres some sense of emotion around that you know so i say yeah so theres what it is for me is freedom um thats why i even say low layer four early location four yeah all of that you know it just continue to deepen and free this to be just whats here
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lay3
| 27 |
location two
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loc2
| 18 |
brings a more substantial change and is much harder to miss
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loc2
| 18 |
mainly joy
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loc3
| 19 |
life history
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loc4
| 20 |
it sounds like its a little bit of a mix of each that you can get to the more spaciousness while still remaining in location one
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loc1
| 17 |
incapable of experiencing personal emotion
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loc3
| 19 |
personal love there in location two
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loc2
| 18 |
and its very its not what i am you know like theres no continuity between me and that spaciousness you know i can feel some spaciousness maybe but man theres you know no continuity between me and that and that would be fine that would be a location one layer two type experience certainly fine
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loc1lay2
| 1 |
layer three thing
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loc3lay3
| 10 |
you know dangerously out of location two
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loc2
| 18 |
the personal self has a smoothing function that normally makes distinct processesparts of the mind appear unified or as part of a single coherent self
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loc2lay1
| 4 |
reported were gone
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loc4
| 20 |
detachment from the things
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loc4
| 20 |
then youll be viewing layer three more
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lay3
| 27 |
just arising
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lay2
| 26 |
its not always there but as i said a lot of times im just in my mind theres some times that it feels kind of emotionally flat so no its not always there
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loc2
| 18 |
you dont really have a sense of a look or a location three
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loc3
| 19 |
i realized that i didnt have to care about that let them just you know have what he wanted and ill have what i want we dont have to have any conflict there just went away
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loc4
| 20 |
i actually lost it because i was revisiting the material and going to layer two layer three and somehow i couldnt i couldnt go back to to it
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tfwp
| 24 |
warm summer sunbeam
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loc3
| 19 |
you know that control structure i think really has to be gone in order for you to which is another reason i think you know you have to its sort of location two layer three
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loc2lay3
| 6 |
richness thats missing
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loc2lay3
| 6 |
would you say that a quality of aliveness
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lay3
| 27 |
location three on a holiday for a week with your kids
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loc3
| 19 |
background field of presence
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lay1
| 25 |
powerful love oriented nature of location three
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loc3
| 19 |
experience of that merger
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loc3
| 19 |
you can just feel the aliveness
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lay3
| 27 |
dont feel it
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loc4lay2
| 13 |
strength of selfrelated thoughts
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loc1
| 17 |
the extensive compassion and ethical training in some spiritual systems may be designed less for seekers and more to condition finders systems to express these more positive qualities once they are subjectively no longer able to act volitionally
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loc4lay1
| 12 |
youre in location two
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loc2
| 18 |
kind of a beautiful all loving its like being held um like a warmth a vibrancy a sparkling its not visible its not visible light but can i can appreciate the term luminosity there is a kind of an implication of a shimmering behind things yeah and sometimes yeah thats the kind of divine flavor of it and i can i can appreciate why people would call that the divine if i then start to probe and look at an object and and then start to penetrate into that object at some point it can flip and it feels like its looking back at me and thats what id thought maybe thats what people mean by the panpsychist
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loc3
| 19 |
the space size of the spaciousness so that in a silence comes first
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lay2
| 26 |
emptier
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lay2
| 26 |
liveness beingness
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lay3
| 27 |
and so perhaps stillness or silence is one direction spaciousness or that sense of it containing everything everything just arising spontaneously within it whatever it is
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lay2
| 26 |
though finders at this location remain socially adept
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loc2
| 18 |
but location four feels very dimensional compared to location 7 or 8
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loc4
| 20 |
how nonduality is experienced it doesnt feel like you see yourself in everything or that type of thing at all
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lay2
| 26 |
this is almost always mixed with layer 3 in location 3 which gives it the allpervading and revealing qualities
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loc3lay2
| 9 |
buddhism
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nfw
| 21 |
so the sensorless quality of nonduality is very deep
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lay2
| 26 |
aloneness thing is gone
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lay3
| 27 |
which you can get where theres sort of a sense of ones self seeing ones self
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lay2
| 26 |
larger spacious emptiness
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loc2
| 18 |
im not sure how successful that will be because my spreadsheet mainly has where people are at not oh they were wrong about the fact that they werent in layer one
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lay1
| 25 |
it sounds it all sounds very fundamental wellbeing but not necessarily celestially
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tfw
| 22 |
path of humanity
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loc5+
| 16 |
you can certainly continue sinking into your deeper experiences of fundamental wellbeing up until that point
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tfwc
| 23 |
between now and once upon a time prior to fundamental well being is that it was a zoom in all the time and thats where identity was always located
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tfw
| 22 |
involved such a remarkably positive single metaemotion that the absence of emotion
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loc3
| 19 |
not nothingness
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lay4
| 28 |
the ego or the annoying roommate in lay one is active and attached to things like thinking emotion and strategizing believing in itself and its importance
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loc3lay1
| 8 |
and now i think you you know its given you access or just as a function of deepening and fundamental wellbeing whatever it is it has given you access and produced a shift to the to deeper parts of fundamental wellbeing
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tfw
| 22 |
layer 1 is accessible to a limited degree in location 4 in that there can be a metaawareness of what is happening at layer 1
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loc4lay1
| 12 |
mind always wants more freedom
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loc4
| 20 |
here location one has has value for deconditioning but at this point in your process i would be working on really getting established and locations beyond layer one you know after youve got a lot of access and fluidity across the different locations on the matrix you know and youve seen what those can do to that to conditioning you know if theres some stuff that it seems like it might be a good idea to go to location one and see if it can be worked on there and polished off if its like some sticky stuff or it cant be reached for some reason from those higher layers
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loc1
| 17 |
most of the time grounded pretty solidly there across a good range of it including into experiencing layer three which is fantastic
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lay3
| 27 |
so pure peace would be have less energy in it less uh because to me peace is more restful whereas this does not feel russell has has energy and its so for pure peace as far as pure joy
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loc1lay2
| 1 |
i had a big trigger was maybe 2017 2018 and so probably that probably is around when location four became more stable or when i entered i dont know
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loc4
| 20 |
nonreactive
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loc3
| 19 |
location three really feels like the peak of humanity and human experience
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loc3
| 19 |
youve got the spaciousness in layer two which is a very different experience sense of spaciousness or emptiness
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lay2
| 26 |
layer three has fullness associated with it
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lay3
| 27 |
in location 1 layer 4 the changing leaves of autumn are not just a sign of the season but a lesson in the beauty of letting go
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loc1lay4
| 3 |
mindfulness meditation
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tfwc
| 23 |
lot of divinity going
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loc3
| 19 |
you know when that goes it sort of it collapses it basically its the collapse of it its what happens just before in a way that that a deeper sense of spaciousness and then the collapse or deeper sense of stillness and then the collapse of the whole you know layer three thing basically
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lay3
| 27 |
disassembled
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loc4
| 20 |
it just feels like everything is just here
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lay2
| 26 |
space or that sometimes full sometimes less full
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lay2
| 26 |
everybodys frozen
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loc4lay2
| 13 |
you could be a dominant experience when your mind when youre when your system is just relaxing right it can just be zoomed out into its default location that might be like location two layer two
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loc2lay2
| 5 |
if they want to go back to location three is theyve often spent a lot of time rooting in to nonduality
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loc3
| 19 |
tension deconditioning practices deepening in sinking in probably sinking into a location three type of experience
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loc3
| 19 |
single emotion and it feels like love and joy and compassion and maybe a couple of other culturally or religiously conditioned things
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loc3
| 19 |
lot of love
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loc3
| 19 |
its not for you its like driving right but you can imagine like if you know youre like really into some sport or something it can be like a holy crap kind of actually happened to me with location two
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loc2
| 18 |
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