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it may still feel like you have a lot of individualness and you know thoughts and emotions and things like that and thats perfectly fine because all of that can continue to exist at layer one
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lay1
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much less affected by self
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loc1
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i looked into a bit of attachment theory and then i so i sat down the first of the month you know to do the exercise you know i literally got an airbnb in the forest for a week and said i would just go through the finders book go through the wheres the locations book and just start writing stuff down so i started writing stuff down and then i kept just getting super triggered so i just took a pillow and i just like hugged a pillow for like ten hours a day for the whole week and i think it was must have been an attachment theory thing because when i started feeling safe certain triggers started coming up and then boom instead of the trigger you know me like going into safety mode it just ended up releasing and then i must have been a week ago found myself in location three four and you know not for a few minutes but for a more consistent period of time a couple of days so now i think im a little further back down in location two later three
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lay3
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loneliness
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lay2
| 26 |
that fullness is basically permeating and infusing the experience
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lay3
| 27 |
mind
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lay1
| 25 |
the reintegration of layer 3 on the path of humanity allows these finders to return to feeling more human while those on the path of freedom continue in the direction of location 4 which feels profoundly alien and out of phase with the world
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loc4lay3
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and i can if i want to i can play with layer one more be more active with
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lay1
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because of the profound experience of love joy and compassion in location 3 the mind tends to be biased by the very positive affective state
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loc3lay1
| 8 |
flow of movement
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loc4
| 20 |
huge fullness
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lay3
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from a location two perspective
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loc2
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so much so that it made me think its almost unusual for someone to have this nice a deconditioning process without having jumped over to location two and maybe not knowing it
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loc2
| 18 |
and then when i drop in when im in nature which is every day i live in the jungle and i go down to the river every day and when i drop in and i dont have all the practical kind of oh i have to schedule this or do that then theres a deepening of the stillness that happens and an expansion
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lay2
| 26 |
and i liked your suggestion of start doing mini as youre walking around or driving or parked at the lights or something just do mini in and out too because with a strong layer one which i had for a long time i can see how i really need to be on the ball with this
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lay1
| 25 |
sympathy
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loc3lay2
| 9 |
in layer three that youre able to access now and really sinking into those as much as you can um do you have like can you sink into the direction of that meta emotion like are there qualities of love joy compassion that are accessible to you in layer three
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lay3
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layer two standpoint
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lay2
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you know darkness is never really described as darkness unless its just absolutely pitch black its just described as dim and the objects that are still in perception to somebody in location five
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loc5+
| 16 |
you experience layer two what is it that makes you say oh no im pretty sure i experienced at least some of layer two
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lay2
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hard to see their perspective or to know what they want or feel if they dont state it directly
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loc5+
| 16 |
i just am or you know whatever people however they kind of put words to that but youre describing it as well the self is just gone because your reference point for the term self is your ordinary sense of kind of individual or personal self at layer one
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lay1
| 25 |
joy is always my weak spot
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lay3
| 27 |
further in locations
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loc5+
| 16 |
location 1 finders often become much less interested in the stories the people around them tell
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loc1
| 17 |
spaciousness emptiness
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lay2
| 26 |
so in location three its generally one wouldnt have personal emotion so that includes most you know basically negative emotion even things like personal love um theres really just that impersonal or universal love joy compassion that composes that meta emotion so thats what im sort of digging into
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loc3
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me vastness and spaciousness feel equivalent um emptiness you know i just really like the sound of it i like the descriptions of it you know even im a long time buddhist practitioner and i wont say scholar but ive done a lot of study and i remember hearing teachings that if one feels a spontaneous joy and affinity to the teachings on emptiness and thats a sign that you have past life experience and thats thats considered a very good sign
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loc2
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sense of christ god andor the holy
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loc3
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silent beingness that is observing experience
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loc4
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it feels like it is everywhere there is nowhere it is notyet it is not localized anywhere and it does not have spatial dimensionality so also feels like it is nowhere
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loc2lay3
| 6 |
in location 1 layer 4 the journey of selfdiscovery is honored each persons path seen as vital to the weave of the whole
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loc1lay4
| 3 |
awareness have spaciousness
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lay2
| 26 |
and no apparent sense of agency or ability to
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loc4
| 20 |
spaciousness and the emptiness being accessible and then you know
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lay2
| 26 |
using words like emptiness
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lay2
| 26 |
strategizing
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lay1
| 25 |
divine quality
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loc3
| 19 |
spaciousness
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lay2
| 26 |
despite these reports none of this seems to impact their ability to perform at very high levels
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loc4
| 20 |
to layer one
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lay1
| 25 |
if theres a sense of more of a field of presence or and um kind of all pervading field or fullness then that could be um some aspects of layer three
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lay3
| 27 |
when youre even when youre just using like if youre using for instance theres a method where like somebody just comes and holds you in a very loving way and eventually you find yourself sobbing in their arms you have no idea why youre sobbing and you know whatever else and its its just sort of this preverbal thing and theres really not that many people in the world that can even get somebody to you know have that experience
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loc3
| 19 |
makes them even less reactive
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loc2
| 18 |
theres a very spaciousness quality to that moment
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loc2lay2
| 5 |
layer one more accessible strangely
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lay1
| 25 |
i saw in your document you said its been ten years since your first glimpse of fundamental well being
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tfwp
| 24 |
transitioned to location 1
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loc1
| 17 |
from a purely nondual sense and location
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loc2
| 18 |
most of the time curious and open rather than fearful
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loc1lay1
| 0 |
obviously there is a locus for the scene and for the hearing but you know youve been through that before with many people
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loc2
| 18 |
it becomes more difficult to access layer 3 and to return to previous locations this is even more so the case for location 5 and later finders
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loc4lay4
| 15 |
if your attention is more on what youre doing or on the mind doesnt necessarily mean that your perception has gone nondual as has gone dual you could still be experiencing it all as one field of experience arising but have your attention primarily on the mind content in that field of experience
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loc2
| 18 |
location 3 does not have this divine component for everyone
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loc3
| 19 |
recently some christian finders have started to discuss it for decades the noted catholic mystic bernadette roberts 19312017 documented some of this later territory because she found it largely lacking in the christian mystical literature her writings catalogue a personal struggle to make location 4
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loc4
| 20 |
also really just making a very hard and stressful and abrasive work environment slash job feel completely fine
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loc3
| 19 |
with the peaceful
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loc1
| 17 |
i dont think youre sensing anything
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loc4
| 20 |
theres a deep peace but it can be suppressed by triggered conditioning which is indicative of just the layer four but not location four thing
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loc1lay4
| 3 |
felt correct regardless of whether it seemed to
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loc2
| 18 |
exercise layer one verbal logical rational facility
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lay1
| 25 |
isolated there or kind of not really aware of layer one um and you you are still aware of layer one then it would show up
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lay1
| 25 |
its like things are appearing in it its like the water in the pool but without the the edges of the pool the waters just there
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loc4
| 20 |
wonderful life
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loc4
| 20 |
location three brings other ancillary issues with it
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loc3
| 19 |
boston retreats are so great for glimpses theyve got that down i really do
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tfwp
| 24 |
so theres just these ranges of different types of experience and theyre all you know theyre all perfectly fine
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loc2
| 18 |
thats that combination of love and compassion and joy
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loc3lay3
| 10 |
i think its layer two we dug in as much as we felt we needed to until we were convinced okay theyre talking about layer two you do that until you reach that point period so youre always always going for clarity with people until youre sure that youre understanding what theyre talking about and that youre matching them up with in this case the matrix
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lay2
| 26 |
it feels just kind of like it is what it is
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loc1
| 17 |
nondual way
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loc2
| 18 |
this is a complete openness of everything that that that is happening around and just to complete okayness with that and trust that that things are just developing in the way they should and its so less less agency its just its just just happening and its yeah its good to be there yeah
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loc3
| 19 |
if the only reason youre doubting it is because it was temporary then it probably just was a temporary experience of location four um its all you know youre not saying anything that sounds vague or uncertain theres no sense of the divine a sense of self no sense of agency no emotion including no love
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loc4
| 20 |
peace and silence
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lay2
| 26 |
its accessible when im in a deeper silence and stillness its accessible
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lay3
| 27 |
something is triggering you and you mentioned the triggers that you do describe that happen very infrequently
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loc4
| 20 |
blister action more like what is the very foundational stillness within it and the senselessness of it um so those are kind of the qualities of the really the deepest reaches of of layer three
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lay3
| 27 |
fighting the gravity of layer one in your system at the moment because its triggering it
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lay1
| 25 |
so even in fundamental well being its so funny
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tfwp
| 24 |
seeking control
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lay1
| 25 |
can kind of manufacture emptiness if i say this is a so this may be maybe this is going back to layer two um emptiness
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lay2
| 26 |
the remaining psychological conditioning at layer 1 keeps the peace of fundamental wellbeing pushed to the background most of the time especially when someone has recently transitioned
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loc1lay1
| 0 |
be like it was before it could never be because that was out of fundamental wellbeing to begin with
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tfw
| 22 |
you talk about having space around the motions watching them come and go
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lay2
| 26 |
where someone at location 1 on the continuum might have a short outburst and make a brief hand gesture individuals
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loc1
| 17 |
like ill do if im trying to do location three at the same time i guess thats why you guys recommend just devoting
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loc3
| 19 |
if youre in location one you dont want to be locking yourself into layer one right
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loc1
| 17 |
this refers to experiencing the world as no longer colored by the narrativeself from the new viewpoint of fundamental wellbeing especially from location 2 on
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loc2
| 18 |
layer one is probably just trying to hold them back with what its doing
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lay1
| 25 |
one of the things most finders notice first is a reduction in their interest in nearly all stories
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loc1
| 17 |
so what youre describing there is primarily rootedness in layer one which might be happening in location one
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lay1
| 25 |
remained unconscious or who had serious difficulties with the function of their bodies for periods of days weeks and even longer after moving into one of these locations
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loc5+
| 16 |
theres a significant amount of richness in the human experience
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lay3
| 27 |
so it comes on immediately i can sink straight into it but its subtle and faint at first and then it begins to to deepen um it starts off as a stillness but just a gentle superficial stillness and and then the then the the feeling of well theres a theres a feeling of presence which is there all the time anyway
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lay3
| 27 |
psychic intuitive empathetic type of awakening
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nfw
| 21 |
layer 4 will initially be sensed as an even deeper stillness or silence than that of layer 3
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loc3lay4
| 11 |
mist
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lay3
| 27 |
i noticed like i was a little concerned when you said it might be location one im like oh no i want location two so there is this kind of things that come up all the time and even though ive become like really aware of them its just it just still comes up and i still experience it and there is like there is some a little bit of a feedback loop if there is some frustration with that oh again so thats that feels like layer one at layer two
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lay2
| 26 |
the unfolding does not happen in anything rather it is total and complete in itself
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loc3lay4
| 11 |
they often value helping others and work to maintain social graces that allow them to do that
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loc3
| 19 |
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