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looker or the listener inside your head
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loc2
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what was covered in location 1 around goals a present moment focus feeling complete or whole relationship to stories psychological triggers a sense of self that extends beyond the body personality changes or lack thereof perception of physical pain humor goals and paradoxesshould largely be seen as holding true for later locations unless it is specifically commented upon
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loc1
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spacious
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lay2
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youve got sort of a watcher thing that is a meta perspective sort of a meta cognitive perspective
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lay1
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whereas in location to my internal chatter is very quiet and just i hardly notice it
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loc2
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we find that they can often pull people out of fundamental wellbeing so thats not the best idea weve had a lot of people report that the first time we had that reported was we were running one of the first founders courses and it was during burning man burning man hit in the middle of it burning man as you can google it if not yeah its sort of a psychedelic ish festival in the nevada desert yeah and you know we had a bunch of people that had transitioned to fundamental wellbeing before burning man they went to burning man and ingested a bunch of drugs and then fell out of fundamental wellbeing and had a hell of a time trying to get back
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tfw
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and then while youre in layer one you know youre able to produce a memory of layer three if thats what it is
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lay1
| 25 |
location 4 since it often conflicts with deeply held beliefs and ideologies though again its important to note that there usually isnt a sense of agency involved to the finder it appears as if the debate and subsequent rejection just happen
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loc4
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its all just there
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lay3
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meta experience
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lay1
| 25 |
and then when its more you know having that deeper experience where theres the sense of union or the dissolving the melting into creation thats you know possibly glimpses of location three
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loc3
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the streets of location 1 layer 4 are not just paths but journeys each corner a crossroads of potential and discovery
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loc1lay4
| 3 |
no real emotional valence to it which people will often confuse with location four
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loc4
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in location 2 this is often the result of the experience of layer 1 being integrated with or experienced from deeper layers this in turn involves a degree of distance from layer 1 which also produces a sense of distance between mind and self eg i am not my thoughts i am not the thinker
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loc2lay1
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arising
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lay4
| 28 |
positive flow
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loc3
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observer
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loc2lay2
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so theres a fairly rapid and high amount of fluidity but we dont yet know if its actually fluidity or if youre viewing different layers from one
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loc1
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so when you say its in everything what qualities of it are you perceiving in everything
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lay3
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divine sense of the divine
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loc3
| 19 |
like layer one kind of zooms in and out and theres definitely still some some habits and some theres some avoidance protocols that are in place because theres things you dont you know thoughts have been problematic for
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lay1
| 25 |
it makes perfect sense youd be able to zoom in zoom out
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lay3
| 27 |
still be visible in some way or distinguishable
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loc2
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that can be a very useful place to try if youre working with conditioning at layer one
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lay1
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and then you talked about a joy and deep peace spreading throughout you when you receive the eucharist
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lay3
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but then also you know in location for theres no sense of agency and theres sort of you know in the public its a very much a smear between what these things sort of mean
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loc4
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persistent form of peace
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loc4
| 20 |
so love joy compassion
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loc3
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the allencompassing feeling of love joy and compassion pervades all experience and there is a deep sense of perfection beauty and even sacredness to everything
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loc3lay3
| 10 |
although their need for approval has lessened even further than location 2
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loc3
| 19 |
theres a feeling of a deeper and deeper stillness where theyre seeing theres no one and nothing but the eyes can be open then to see that also it maintains itself
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lay3
| 27 |
in location 3 layer 2 shows up as the presence of divinity or as the panpsychist presence
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loc3lay2
| 9 |
desert of emptiness and the massive you know the massive sort of crisis of existence
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loc4lay2
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as you know thats the location two at least some nondual location anyway
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loc2
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emptiness or spaciousness
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lay2
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when i meditated on the thought of that person it was a little surprising because i think i still have feelings but not emotions because emotions i feel are a reaction or you know something like that and thought i could remember them
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loc4
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in location 1 layer 4 the warmth of a shared meal transcends nourishment becoming a communion of souls and stories
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loc1lay4
| 3 |
and help us sort of get a general context of where youre at and so you know i think in some cases youre probably getting glimpses of layer three in location one
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loc1lay3
| 2 |
rich experience
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lay3
| 27 |
something is just revealed in a moment
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lay4
| 28 |
single remaining positive
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loc3
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there is no longer the sense of anything within or beyond itno sense of alltranscending or allpervading formless presence or beingness
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loc4lay4
| 15 |
layer one i will feel that my thoughts are very real my problems are very real and theres a lot of dangers in the future
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lay1
| 25 |
i got into buddhism in the first place was because i was looking around me and i was just seeing like you know im actually living kind of a charmed life right now like i have all of my needs met you know i never have any trouble getting a job
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loc3
| 19 |
four that shifting feels very subtle and i was expecting something a bit more a bit stronger and so that maybe explains why thats the case
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lay3
| 27 |
like i just look at the tree and i feel joy and i feel i dont know what im looking for here
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loc3lay3
| 10 |
sometimes the layer to spaciousness location to layer two stuff comes in spontaneously as a result of just the right environment or circumstances typically relating to the safety thing
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loc2lay2
| 5 |
thats like a location nine type of experience um where yeah if its not under your control then its its some fluidity in your system that actually dont have that one under control either
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loc5+
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its still there but the sort of like alive presence that i feel that isnt limited to me but everywhere is part of that field and its like it was always there but now that im aware aware of it it was just sort of like a very slight phase shift to be able to see it like if it was a visual thing it would be like averting my glance just like a couple of degrees in one direction and then like suddenly its there
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loc2
| 18 |
it is essentially the home layer of location 4 and later and experiences of it in earlier locations tend to be partial and temporary
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loc3lay4
| 11 |
somewhat like just me relocating my organs
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nfw
| 21 |
the big one of course is you know one kind of meta emotion that feels like a combination of love and joy and compassion could be some other things mixed in there depending upon life and cultural circumstances and all of that
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loc3
| 19 |
remember from the content that there a strong link oftentimes between layer three
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lay3
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thats sort of everywhere another thing that made me ask that is because your your description of layer three in your document relates to a very specific and quite deep experience of layer three where it does feel like a liquid or like this thick quality thats that is a absolutely layer three
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lay3
| 27 |
location 1 individuals notice that their focus is now more centered in the present moment rather than the past or future
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loc1
| 17 |
it will often be experienced from perception being centered in deeper layers
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loc3lay1
| 8 |
i dont know that it was a rising in a way that you would have answered the questions that way during this interview per se but you clearly have a penchant for you know fluidity in general you know and you were able to detect oh wait a minute im getting a little too close in the direction of location four we dont want that you know it sort of you have enough sort of presence to be able to sense that kind of thing and generally thats the kind of thing that comes from someone who is used to having some fluidity you know its kind of a situational awareness if you will within fundamental well being in the same way that ordinary people have a situational awareness in life among different circumstances and stuff like that right and so im sure that theres fluidity here for sure but at least during this interview the way you described things the way you talked about things you know id pin it mostly at location two layer three
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loc2lay3
| 6 |
divine or of an all
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loc3
| 19 |
and then goes over to location two you know and layer two and so on and so forth from there
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loc2lay2
| 5 |
listener
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lay3
| 27 |
and then and the sensory smoke you know just like somethings burning and theres nothing burning but im just smelling smoke so other than that i cant recall them
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loc4
| 20 |
who doesnt believe in the divine
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loc4
| 20 |
even feeling that space was just jarring
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lay2
| 26 |
increased loss of selfrelated
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loc2
| 18 |
as one begins to sense into the shallower end of layer 2 there is a quality of stillness that feels deeper than or more real than the mind and its contents
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loc1lay2
| 1 |
layer three that really resonates
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lay3
| 27 |
you can perform the nonduality test that you saw and many of the videos where we ask
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loc2
| 18 |
layer four is less than optimal for a lot of functioning
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lay4
| 28 |
presence would generally be more layer three but can absolutely be layer two
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lay2
| 26 |
it sounds a lot to me like youre rooted primarily in layer three as your dominant layer
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lay3
| 27 |
theres spaciousness at another point theres the body at another point
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lay2
| 26 |
and just going back and forth between duality
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loc1
| 17 |
i think im more prone to experiencing layer three
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lay3
| 27 |
like if it sucked then id get out of it in fact it can lead to discomfort because enough time passes and deadline pressure builds and people want my attention for things and
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loc4
| 20 |
in location 1 layer 4 art is not just seen but felt each creation a window into the artists soul and the collective unconscious
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loc1lay4
| 3 |
feeling of spaciousness or just layer two
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lay2
| 26 |
and now youve got this very multidimensional highly fluid system thats operating from probably at least what you could think of at the moment as like layer five or deeper and able to access qualities of at least down to location three could be to where youre getting some access to agency some access to the impersonal love
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loc3
| 19 |
location 4 an even more pronounced change
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loc4
| 20 |
it makes me wonder if like some part of the layer one identity has discovered that this is a way that it can
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lay1
| 25 |
most of europe around the barrio in the room or if im at home theres you know theres theres trees in the garden i look outside the windows and and it goes a bit further yeah
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lay3
| 27 |
feel i always have a some level of fundamental wellbeing even in stress and illness
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tfw
| 22 |
there isnt a looker here
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lay3
| 27 |
i think you know exactly where youre at from it and where stuff is going to unfold for the course
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loc2
| 18 |
its really a direct experience and i think you are having you know even from location one the sense of layer three
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loc1lay3
| 2 |
you know have aspirations of going to something like location two
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loc2
| 18 |
inside is the same as outsideit is equally present everywhere
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loc2lay3
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um so so when we were just by the way when we refer to the godhead its usually used in the context of layer four of location three right its just a term that a lot of people seem to use to refer to that experience i think because you know theres such a prominent experience of the divine for those people who get a divine experience in location three that you know when they go beyond that to sort of layer four where beyond all distinction just like beyond the divine beyond god whatever you called the god
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loc3lay4
| 11 |
its very different than layer four location four layer four type of stuff which is more freedom
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loc4lay4
| 15 |
a default layer two that might be a little bit more shallow than the depth of layer two that you get into when youre just relaxing sinking in
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lay2
| 26 |
divine or being in union
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loc3
| 19 |
active in your experience or in your nervous system
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tfw
| 22 |
in most cases layer 1 is readily accessible in location 2 as is the case with other earlier locations therefore typically finders in layer 1 of location 2 will experience some selfreferential thoughts along with a mix of positive and negative emotions
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loc2lay1
| 4 |
memories spontaneously arise less often and theres no possibility of anything beyond it or any thing being outside of it
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loc1lay4
| 3 |
mean was the anger
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lay1
| 25 |
agency
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lay2
| 26 |
so youre saying you have no thoughtsyes my mind is completely silent what is one plus one two did you watch the presidential debate last nightyesdo you have a favorite candidateusually i vote democrat but im leaning towards the other person this timewhyi think his position on something i consider important is more inline with my viewbut again you say you have no thoughtscorrectand no sense that there is an individual yourighthmmmits easy to see how an exchange like this one can be somewhat baffling it took a great deal of careful probing experimentation and analysis to unravel and come to grips with seemingly contradictory statements such as those in the example above
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loc4
| 20 |
self referential thoughts are just dead silent
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loc4
| 20 |
permeating everything
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lay3
| 27 |
dont have that mental abstraction
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loc4lay3
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positive emotions like joy
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loc3
| 19 |
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