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assistant
And if you put, I said they wanted to find a conservative on the view. I said, let me go in there with the witchen. I'll be the conservative that left.
user
Does any woman even want to do that anymore?
assistant
Nobody wants to do it anymore. Kat Timpf, who was a libertarian on Fox, they were trying to go hard at her, but she's like, I'm on gut felt. I'm on a show people watch. Who cares?
user
They've turned that show into what they've done is they've made it so that all they do is fight, right? All they do is scream and yell. All they do is get upset at people. It's all negative, it's all demeaning, it's all insulting. They've just gotten to this point where the show has just got this feel of it. You only watch to see who they're mad at, right?
assistant
No. It's a horrible, horrible experience for anyone watching or participating in it, truly.
user
This is what's wrong with it. If you got five friends that just wanted to talk about things like that and they didn't have time limits and they didn't have all these constraints that are put on a show like that, hinder the possibility of it being good, for sure, all the people in the audience, that's a problem because you're playing to the audience and then you have the fact that you have a commercial coming up at 45 seconds, you gotta make your point. And then these other bitches are trying to chime in. You gotta talk over them.
assistant
But they can't find a female conservative. No, I think they're gonna have to use that grandma who was yelling at the Sandy Hook parents. I forget her name. The one who was like, prove it, you dumb fuck. But she's a QAnon grandma. I forget her name. Ben knows her name. Yeah. She was this grandma that was in that documentary, and she would go. She would yell at these parents. It was very sad. She'd be like, prove it, you dumb fuck, about their kids. And I think she should be on the view or get Rosie O'Donnell back. Cause she at least questioned 911.
user
Yeah, yeah, she. She questioned tower seven and a lot of other things like this. Those things are, like, real complicated. You can't get those wrong.
assistant
You can't get them wrong. But there's clearly fuckery with that.
user
Yeah.
assistant
If there's fuckery with the vaccine, there's fuckery with that.
user
Well, there's certainly fuckery in the reaction to that because we invaded Iraq. That's all you need to know. Like, I had a whole different at one point.
assistant
Yeah.
user
It's like, if you can look at what happened on September 11, 2001. And then the logical conclusion is we got to invade a country that had nothing to do with it.
assistant
It's crazy. It's crazy.
user
And then they did it and they said, well, there's weapons of mass destructions there, okay? And they caught more than a million lives. And it turns out there were no weapons of mass destruction.
assistant
It's just a weird thing where I go, I'm just like one of those old school guys goes, just show me one video of the plane hitting the Pentagon. And I'm good.
user
See, I think there is a video of the plane hitting the Pentagon. No, there's like a fucking plane. What does that look like?
assistant
It's a trail of smoke. They doctored it. 911. The new Pearl Harbor. 911. The new Pearl harbor is a crazy documentary by this italian guy, Massimo Mizuco. It's 5 hours. Watch it. You people have nothing to do. It's 5 hours.
user
Is it good?
assistant
It's great. I'm telling you right now, it's a five hour documentary on YouTube. You will watch it. Get the fam together, sit them down, popcorn. And I'm telling you right now, because I watched it to debunk it. I watched it to debunk it and went, yeah, you start going into the flight, the phones at 30,000ft. These people are having conversations. It's just not happening.
user
Something's off. You can't have something really off.
assistant
Something's really, really off with that day, but you just can't. Now in these publications that write about me, they describe me as like, 911, truther, Covid, denier. It's like I just get all these.
user
You had Covid. How can you be?
assistant
I've never said Covid was not real. Yeah, you know, I've said I thought it was good.
user
Well, I've had people mad at me because I medicated, cause I took Medicaid.
assistant
People's argument is you're in shape, you eat right, you work out. Why would you take the medication?
user
Because it's better than not taking medications. Of course this stuff works.
assistant
Of course.
user
Listen, I'm not saying you shouldn't take medication. I'm saying.
assistant
You're saying you should take medication.
user
I'm saying you should for sure. Always. But especially if it's proven medication that works. But the point is you shouldn't have a binary solution for things. So it's either this or nothing. It's either one or zero. That's crazy.
assistant
When people pass away, they donate a large chunk of their fortune to like, research and things like that. Do you think you'll donate yours to Robert F. Kennedy Junior or, like, Dana White? Who will you give your money to?
user
Demi Lovato. She's gonna give it to ghosts.
assistant
Hey, man, she used to live in my building. Fun woman. Yeah, it's straight. Do you ever think to yourself, what's the next act? Because you've literally. You're the most successful comedian probably. When you look at all the different things you've done, there's not many people that have, like, what? Do you ever go, I've done it all. And that's a little scary.
user
No, no, because I don't think like that ever. The crazy thing about all the different things that I've done is all I've ever tried to do. Like, I tried to become a professional comedian. I achieved that. And then I started working as a professional comic. And then all the other stuff is just stuff that came up, whether it's acting on news radio. That was just. They just offered me money to ask.
assistant
Do you still keep in touch with Kathy Griffin?
user
No. I would, though.
assistant
No. Yes.
user
I love her. Yeah.
assistant
Was she on that show or.
user
No, no.
assistant
Okay. I thought she was on that show.
user
No, no, no. Kathy Griffin was on just shoot me. Right. We suddenly shoot.
assistant
It was the other one. I forgot.
user
She's nice. Yeah. Vicki Lewis was on news radio. That's who you're thinking of?
assistant
Yeah. Okay. I don't know. I don't know about her.
user
She's redhead, too. She's.
assistant
That's. Maybe I'm getting confused.
user
Always joke around that, like, she was stealing her act.
assistant
And you worked with Phil Hartman, who was, like, one of the funniest people ever.
user
But again, that was just, like, I stumbled into that show. Like, completely stumbled into it. I had no acting experience.
assistant
Right.
user
I mean, I'd done a little bit acting on another terrible sitcom that got canceled. That got canceled. All of a sudden, I'm on news radio working with Dave Foley and Andy Dick and Phil Hartman with no acting experience. Like, what the fuck is happening?
assistant
Yeah, what's going on?
user
And then I go from that to fear factor. I'm like, well, this will get canceled immediately. Meanwhile, it's one of the most successful reality shows ever. It's like six seasons.
assistant
What did you learn from, like, that was it just do everything and don't focus too much on, like. Cause there's. There's. There's. Even though you're saying you're stumbling into them and you are stumbling into them, there's a skill to stumbling right. There's a skill to being. Position yourself in a way that you can kind of get those opportunities.
user
There's that. But there's also being able to handle pressure.
assistant
Okay, there you go.
user
Like, being able to handle auditions pressure. Being able to handle the pressure of speaking live in front of a large audience, whether it's doing the UFC broadcast or doing a comedy show or a podcast, you gotta be able to handle pressure.
assistant
Right.
user
Some people just suck at pressure, you know? And I always put myself in these positions where I have to perform under pressure because opportunities are available there because so many people don't like pressure. So I look at her go, oh, they're scared. People are scared of this. So I'll go do that.
assistant
Right?
user
There's less people doing it, and it's more exciting to me because it's kind of dangerous.
assistant
When you got into it, was your family like, oh, this is cool. Or were they like, no, what are you doing?
user
What are you doing, idiot? Yeah. Go to school. Get a career. Get a real job. Like, you're not funny.
assistant
Right.
user
There was a lot of. When I was fighting, like, you're gonna get hurt. There's, like, everything I've done, like, what are you doing? You know, it's just. It's hard. If you have a child and you want your child to be successful, you don't want your child to take some wild, crazy fucking chance that. What is a million to one chance it's gonna pan out. Probably more than a million to one, right?
assistant
Was your childhood like the show Cobra Kai on Netflix, where you're just fighting people all the time? That's what I imagine it is. You're just. You're in a dojo. You have a sensei. You just fight the other kids at the. At the, you know. Dom.
user
Well, I did fight a lot of people, but I did it mostly in tournaments, but I did fight in dojos a lot. We had. You ever real dojo fights? Not that I know of.
assistant
Okay. Why were you fighting everybody? Were they fighting you?
user
Yeah. Yeah, we, like, guys would come in from other schools and challenge us, and I was often the guy who got thrown in with them.
assistant
Yeah. When you were younger, were you bullied? What motivated you? Yeah.
user
Yeah, I was small, and guys would pick on me, and I moved around a lot. Like, we moved all the time. Like, I lived in San Francisco from New Jersey to age seven, San Francisco age seven to eleven, Florida, eleven to 13, Boston, 1324. So I was fucking moving constantly. So I never really established a great group of friends that I was tight with. I was always the new kid, and I was not big, so I got fucked with.
assistant
Right, so you learned to defend yourself.
user
Well, I had to. When I moved to Newton, I got fucked with, like, by a bunch of kids. It was kind of scary. I didn't know how to defend myself, and I was like, fuck, like, I gotta do something. And so I started taking martial arts, and it changed my life. 180 degrees. Like, turned it around 180 degrees. Then all of a sudden, I wasn't worried about conflict anymore. And then I became obsessed with being like, oh, like, a world champion. I became obsessed with being like, did.
assistant
You have, like, one good teacher where there's a few good teachers that stand out?
user
Yeah, I had quite a few, but I got very lucky that I went to this one school, this Jaehun Kim Taekwondo Institute in Boston. That's, like, one of the most highly respected schools in the country at the time, at least. And it was just dead lucky. Just dead lucky. I just happened to go there one day, and I happened to go there while this guy John Lee was training for the world championships. And I happened to watch him train, like, when he was at his peak of condition, when he was a national champ. And I became obsessed, and I was there every day. So most of my high school, from, like, age 15 all the way until I was 21, was just obsessed with martial arts and competing, traveling all over the country. That's mostly what I did.
assistant
And your friends, I guess, were people in that world?
user
Yes. Yeah, some of them, like my friend Steve Graham, I'm still really tight with.
assistant
Yeah. And how did. What makes you go from that to comedy? Well, it's kind of an interesting transition.
user
Fear of brain damage. There was a little bit of that because I was. I was definitely aware that I was getting hit in the head too much, especially when I started kickboxing. I had three kickboxing fights, and when I was training for kickboxing, which I did for more than a year, there was a lot of getting hit in the head. There was a lot of hard sparring rounds. And then I was also watching a lot of other people that I saw that had brain damage. I was like, this guy's not who he used to be. Like, he's slipping. And then I realized, like, oh, my God, this is happening to me. And there was no money in it. There was no UFC back then. So this is 19, 88, 89 is.
assistant
When I was like, you gotta get out.
user
Yeah, I had to get out, and I had to get out soon before I ruined my brain, you know? And then also, fortunately, my friend Steve that I was talking about earlier, he was one of the people that told me I should be a comedian. Cause I would. We would go on these trips to go to fight in tournaments, right, right. Oftentimes we'd be on a bus or we'd travel by car together, and we'd be bored, and I would be the one who made everybody laughed. And so, like, if we were, like, getting ready to spar, everybody would be super nervous, and I would say the most inappropriate shit and get laughs out of people. And once I knew that I could get laughs, then I would just try to do it. Whenever I knew people were nervous, I would say the inappropriate thing or do impressions of people or impressions of, like, our instructor having sex.
assistant
Right. So you just established yourself as kind of the funny dude.
user
Oh, silly. Yeah, silly and funny. Like, it was gallows. Everyone was so scared. And it was also would alleviate some of the pressure of, like, getting scared before you go to a tournament. We were all scared, right? And so my friend Steve said, you really should be a fucking comedian.
assistant
Yeah.
user
I go, ah, man, you think I'm funny. Cause you like me. I go, other people are gonna think I'm an asshole.
assistant
Right?
user
And he's like, I don't. You should just go and just see an open mic night and try it. And so I did. I went to an open mic night.
assistant
And were you hooked on night one?
user
Yeah, pretty much.
assistant
Yeah.
user
Richard, Jenny had a great point. He goes, horrible. Comedians are amazing in that they inspire people to try it. Because you look at someone who's terrible, and you go, well, I can't be as bad as that guy, right? I'll give it a shot. That's what open mic night was to me. I had thought of stand up like Jerry Seinfeld or Richard Pryor. I thought, like, I can't do that. These guys are too good. But then you go to open mic night, and you go, oh, some of these people are terrible. And they're doing it. And, like, I can kind of do it. Like, they're doing it maybe a little better than them. Maybe. Maybe I could do this. And then on the same night, like, there was, like, Jonathan Katz was the host of the open mic night from.
assistant
Doctor Katz in Boston.
user
Yeah, he was the host of open mic night the first time I ever went on stage. And then on that night, some other real professionals went on, like Teddy Bergeron went on, and I got to see him go on, and I got hooked immediately. So I did my first set, and then I almost chickened out. I got really close to chickening out. Oh, my God. I came that close to pussying out.
assistant
Yeah.
user
And then once I did it, I was hooked. And then I started doing it all the time.
assistant
And you got successful pretty quick.
user
Pretty quick, yeah. I mean, luckily in Boston you could get work pretty quick.