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assistant | Joe Rogan, thank you for coming. Your first podcast. |
user | My pleasure. |
assistant | Tim Dillon. |
user | Thank you for having me. |
assistant | I like the way you do this. We come to your studio. It's easy. We sit here, we do it. Jamie has to work extra. He's not happy about it. Jamie's got it. But that's okay. That's all right. Thank you for letting me do. We wanted to follow up Lex Friedman with somebody bigger, and that person is you. And then I, and I wanted to ask you. Cause it's been, you know, we were just talking about the hamptons and how crazy people go when they have an insane amount of money. You've done very well in the last forever, but in the last year, do you, is it weird, as a comic, the types of people that you can be around now, or. It's weird. |
user | I'll get messages from celebrities. Like, random celebrities, usually about COVID advice, right? Like, I get no bullshit. I've helped, like, dozens of people that I've never brought their names up, like, famous actors, musicians, to just contact me for Covid advice. |
assistant | Interesting. |
user | Yeah, that's weird. But it's also weird that they can just. They know I know them, and I'm famous, too. So I've reached this weird spot where I feel comfortable meeting famous people. Like, hi, fellow famous person. Whereas I was plagued by imposter syndrome, like, for forever. Like, and I would get real weird around actual celebrities. I'm like, ah, I gotta run to the store, hang out with the freaks, you know? |
assistant | But now you're cool with it. |
user | I'm just more accustomed to it, I guess. But the money thing and the celebrity thing and all that stuff, it is odd, and it's not good for a comedian. Comedians are best off known, but not too famous, right? Because you get too famous, and then you get scrutiny from people who aren't even really fans of, and they start picking up out your material or looking for where you've erred on the PC side, where you're not woke or where. |
assistant | What do you think that is with comics? Where if they get too much money or if they get too big, a lot of them lose their mind. A lot of them have real big problems. |
user | Well, famous people lose their mind. It's just a totally unnatural state of existence where everywhere you go, people know you and they're all happy to see you. And then you also surround yourself with a bunch of people that don't tell you the truth. That's pretty common, right? And you gotta find a way to mitigate that or you'll go insane. You have to have something you do that's like an absolute thing, whether it's a workout thing or you play chess or you fucking. Whatever it is, you have to have something that you do that's really difficult, that doesn't give a fuck if you're famous, right? If you don't have. I look at it literally, like it's an exercise for maintaining sanity like this. You have to brush your teeth. You have to go workout. |
assistant | Right. |
user | But it's not just your workout to be healthy. It's also workout. Because it's so hard to do that. Everything else seems easier. |
assistant | Right. Over the last year, you've kind of become. Is this the most heat you've ever taken for a position for, about COVID About the vaccine and stuff like that? Is there? Cause I know that the trans MMA thing was big, but it didn't feel this big. |
user | Well, the trans MMA thing was big, but it wasn't valid. It was people that don't want any criticism whatsoever about trans people. And I was like, look, I don't have a problem with trans people. I have a problem with someone pretending that they're a biological woman and fighting women. Once you say you're trans, and everybody says, okay, I'll fight her, fine, I'm fine with that. And in fact, MMA is one of the best places for that, because you know exactly who your opponent is. Unlike, like, this swimmer. Was it upenn? Is that what it is? |
assistant | I don't know. |
user | Is it's like lapping all these biological women. |
assistant | Right. |
user | That's fucked, because they don't have a choice. They have to compete against it. |
assistant | And fighting is your. You're more of an expert in fighting than many things. |
user | Right. |
assistant | You put your knowledge of fighting up there and the knowledge of advantages that a biological male has over a female. |
user | They're giant. The advantages are giant, and I don't think they go away. |
assistant | Right. |
user | In two years of hormone treatments and surgery. |
assistant | Right. |
user | It's too much of an advantage. But if a woman is a biological woman who wants to compete against a trans woman, I have zero problem. |
assistant | Right. |
user | And there was a situation like that recently. Yeah, I had no comment about it. |
assistant | Right. |
user | It's basically some regional level fighters. And one was trans, and she was a former, like, Navy SEAl. Like fucking super Jack. |
assistant | Right. Yeah. |
user | Used to look like. |
assistant | Right. |
user | You know, like a savage. |
assistant | Yeah. |
user | And then became a woman and fought MMA. And apparently was a good fight, too. She almost lost in the first round. One in the second round. I don't care. |
assistant | Right. |
user | My issue is not. It's not an anti trans position. It's like, for sure, you can't pretend that that's fair, that you don't tell someone that you were a biological male for 30 fucking years. So 30 fucking years of having testosterone pulsing through your system and strengthening your tendons and your muscles and changing the way your mind works. It's a different mind, a female mind. Absolutely. So that was a lot of, that. |
assistant | Was a big one, but it was. |
user | More like I realized that people will distort your perceptions on things or your positions on things. This is different. This is like the government gets mad at me, right? This is crazy. |
assistant | This is the most CNN lies about me I think I've ever seen a private individual take outside of, like, somebody who's leaking secrets or something. Right? I mean, this is a pretty. Now, obviously, you're fine. They're not, you know, they're not disappearing you. Right. But in terms of just criticism, you know, you know, Fauci and people have addressed you personally, you know, like, the media has kind of gone after you personally. Does it affect you at all being in the midst of this shitstorm? On the level you're in it, which is pretty. You're pretty central. |
user | Well, it has to affect you because you're aware of it. If you're aware of it, it has an effect on you. The question is, do you change the way you operate? Like, do I decide that now? I'm going to play it safe and I'm going to just have podcasts with athletes or comedians, just talk about silly things. I could do that. I could just decide to bail out of it, or I could just do exactly what I want to do and do exactly what got me here in the first place. So that's what I do. I'm aware of it. But I'm like, I know what's going on, too. You know what's going on. One of the reasons why they go after me is that they realize I have a lot of influence. Another reason why is because they need a boogeyman. Like, the mainstream media needs a Trump. They need someone they need because on their own, the problem is a lot of it is editorial opinion pieces by morons. They're really dull minded folks. |
assistant | These are not the brightest. |
user | Well, the reason why they got there in the first place is not because they're these courageous, pioneering thinkers who have compassionate, intelligent views in the world. No. They've followed narratives. They read teleprompters, and they say things that align with whatever the ideology is of their network. |
assistant | Right. |
user | So that's what they do. |
assistant | Do you have people that disagree with you on this issue? That, and I'm sure you do, that you respect that. You go, Sam Harris, something like that. People that go, I feel. Cause it's a big issue and it's like a life or death thing. It's an important issue. People have very strong feelings about it. Do you like, obviously, there's a lot of disingenuous people in the media that are doing it for clicks, but do you have people in your own life who this is kind of. I don't want to say a rift, but like, have you fallen out with people over it or have you? |
user | Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. It's controversial. But at this point, particularly when I see the way the government's behaving, the suppression of monoclonal antibodies, the demonizing of generic treatments that are available, whether it's hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin, there's a concerted effort to demonize treatments that many, many, many doctors are using and many countries are using. There's fuckery going on, man. And then it's brought to you by Pfizer. And if you watch the root of this fuckery, it's real clear. And so I'm pretty confident in what I'm saying. I'm not saying that you shouldn't get vaccinated, and I'm not saying that vaccines don't have a positive benefit for a lot of people. They most certainly do. A lot of people who got Covid who were vaccinated, it was way better for them than not being vaccinated. That's a fact. |
assistant | Right? |
user | Another fact is there's treatments that are available that could stop it dead in its tracks, particularly monoclonal antibodies. The Biden administration is doing their very fucking best to make it really hard to get monoclonal antibodies. And according to Peter McCullough, doctor Peter McCullough, who is the most published physician in history in his field, the most published ever, he's a rock solid physician without ever having any controversy in his career up until Covid. He says there's enough monoclonal antibodies for the entire country. He's like, they're doing their best to try to prevent this, because if you get that monoclonal antibodies, it stops Covid dead in its tracks. |
assistant | So why wouldn't I? |
user | Early treatment with monoclonal antibodies knocks it dead. It did it with you. It did it with me. |
assistant | Right. So then why not go that route now? I know Pfizer's making a lot of. |
user | Money want to vaccinate people. They want universal vaccinations. You could ascribe, you could say there's all sorts of, like, sinister motives for that. You know, you could say they don't want a control group. They want the entire country vaccinated. So if health problems happen, there's no one to compare it to. There's like, there's a lot of things that you could say. You could say that this is just a gigantic money grab, that they have some sort of a very close relationship with the pharmaceutical companies that manufacture the vaccines. I don't know what the fuck it is, but I do know that there are treatments. And in a sane world, you would be pursuing all these treatments. They wouldn't just send you home and say, they can't give you ivermectin. They can't give you anything else. They just come back when your pulse, your blood oxygen level drops below 92. That's not normal. That's not normal with any other disease. When they have the best off label treatments that are available that people are using, and there are randomized controlled trials that show that they work. I don't know if they fucking work or not. I'm a moron, all right? I'm not a doctor. I'm not an epidemiologist, I'm not a virologist. But the ones that I've talked to that are, that have treated thousands of people. They tell you time and time again that these are effective methods. They point to Uttar Pradesh in India. That's knocked it out using entirely this combination of ivermectin and a few other off label drugs. They point to all these different countries all around the world that have experienced very low rates of COVID And they say, why does Japan use ivermectin? Why do all these other countries use it? Why is CNN pretending it's veterinary medication when more people have taken ivermectin than there are horses on planet Earth? |
assistant | Right? |
user | It's fucking nuts. |
assistant | Well, the media has clearly attacked you using a playbook that has only made them look very disingenuous. And you've, I think more people's eyes have been opened by the media lying about things you've said or misrepresenting ivermectin as horse medication, things like that. In terms of, I think one of the criticisms, criticisms that people have had, as they've said, like, why not bring on people that are more pro vex? |
user | I have. |
assistant | So you put on. |
user | I certainly have. Sanche Gupta well, I had him on. I had Rhonda Patrick on. I had a conversation with her about it in the early days of the podcast. I had Michael Osterholm, who was, he's an infectious disease expert. I had Peter Hotez, who's a vaccine expert, quite a few of them on. Yeah, the thing is, like, over time, I've noticed that the mainstream narrative is being guided in a way where everybody steps in line and people are ignoring all these other things that we talked about. They're ignoring the suppression of monoclonal antibodies. They're ignoring the suppression of treatments. There's a lot of shit going on. |
assistant | Have any of those dudes reached out to like, come back on again? Or have they like Oscar home or people like that? Is it weird? Because also people bring up this whole thing that you have where you go, listen, I'm not anti vax, right? |
user | I'm not. |
assistant | You have a whole thing where you talk about like that. A lot of people that are against all vaccinations are historically, you know, they, you know, they've been proven wrong. Like, we've stamped out a lot of diseases. What, what about like. |
user | Cause I would wonder, because I wasn't a vaccine, right? |
assistant | No, no, no. |
user | For sure. Gene therapy, that's part of the problem. It's kind of an experimental thing. Yeah, I mean, the experiment is massive now. It's billions and billions of people worldwide. |
assistant | Right. |
user | But it's essentially experimental in terms of long term health consequences. |
assistant | So I wonder about guys, because there's a, because they don't seem like bad people. Osterholm. Or guys like that, right. |
user | Well, they've never been bad people. |
assistant | They've never been bad people. And are they just looking at, well, all these people, a lot of them are faring better with the vaccine if they get Covid. So they're not looking at the other adverse effects. |
user | There's a bunch of things you could say. I mean, it's a lot of it speculation. But again, there's a lot of people that benefit from being vaccinated. That's a fact. There's also people that have horrible reactions to the vaccine. That's a fact, too. There's a lot going on. And when you're only allowed to look at one group of, one example of evidence and not another example, like a positive example versus a negative example, that's not good for anybody. |
assistant | No, it's not. |
user | It just sucks for me that I'm stuck in this weird position. |
assistant | You're in this crazy position as a comedian, MMA commentator, podcaster. But the show has become such a massive. They put out numbers the other day. I mean, you're the leading media figure right now. |
user | How dumb is that? Well, that's how you know I should be. |
assistant | I was so mad that you were. And I called my producer and I fired him. I had to rehire him cause I couldn't find anyone else. But I was so angry because I don't have guests. And that's what a real media person should do. I have no interest in anyone's opinion. Just like my mother, who's a schizophrenic. She never had to have anyone over to have a good time, and that's the way I do. But you now have a crazy amount of people listening. Do you feel. Cause people try to guilt you. People try to go, somebody didn't get vaccinated and they died of COVID And they try to go, that's Joe Rogan's fault. This is what people say. |
user | That's what they say. |
assistant | Well, that's what they say. I mean, this is their whole thing, right? |
user | This is what I would say. Why didn't the doctors give them treatment? Why didn't the doctors get them monoclonal antibodies? Why were they denied monoclonal antibodies? Did they request them? Did they know about them? |
assistant | Right? |
user | You know, why didn't they get iv vitamin drip infusions? Why didn't they get nad? Is that available? |
assistant | Yeah. |
user | Isn't that available? That seems like especially iv vitamin drips, like, that shit's very available. We know that high level vitamin drips, whether it's with, especially with c, d, zinc, glutathione, all those things are hugely beneficial to any kind of disease people have, for sure. And I've got them. I've got them like, as just a health remedy for the last few years. And every time I do it, it feels fucking great. |
assistant | And you know, people personally that have had problems with. |
user | I know quite a few now. |
assistant | Yeah. |
user | Now I know over 15 people, right, that have had, like, serious side effects to the vaccine. |
assistant | Yeah. Both men and women. Menstrual issues. |
user | Menstrual issues. Strokes, neurological disorders, chronic fatigue. |
assistant | So what's a neurological disorder? |
user | Body shaking. |
assistant | Jesus. |
user | Yeah. And you can't do anything about it. Like weird ones, man. And it's. The thing is, when you're vaccinating this, to be fair, you're vaccinating hundreds of millions of people in this country alone, you're going to get adverse side effects on any medication. The thing is, if you look at only that group, like, if you vaccinate 100 million people, they think that the adverse side effects. And they don't really know because the Vaers report, it's kind of. It's very underreported. And it's also. It's hard to see whether or not it's 100% accurate. I don't know how much they investigate each individual one. |
assistant | Right. |
user | But if you. They seem to think that at a low number, like a conservative number, it's like one per 1000. So if you vaccinate a million people, you're gonna have a lot of people that have adverse side effects. You vaccinate 100 people, you're gonna have a lot. So this is what we're dealing with. |
assistant | Yeah. And that doesn't get any play. |
user | It doesn't. They suppress it. There was a kid on TikTok that had myocarditis, and he was a high school kid, like an athlete, and he was in the hospital, and it got millions and millions of plays. They removed it from TikTok. Cause it doesn't fit the narrative. Like, that's what's fucked. |
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