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perceiving people through walls
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nfw
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the attachment to them and specific outcomes in general is reduced
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loc1
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little lower than it was a minute or two ago
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lay2
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and thats that motion still field of presence that is aware that is experiencing the field of spaciousness you know emptiness it makes the experience possible or illuminates the experience so that could be a helpful way of of deepening into layer three from layer two if that resonates with you dont think necessarily it does for everyone but it can be a very useful point for some people thought it might cool
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loc2lay3
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but it certainly sounds like youre predominant location is location to layer three it sounds like you probably can get pulled down to layer one
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lay1
| 25 |
i could fortunately i could stay clued into the to what they said and then id say something oh tell me more about that or you know that was all i could do i couldnt work out what i need to do with this client
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lay1
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via layer four
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lay4
| 28 |
fluid
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loc2lay3
| 6 |
because that sense of a spaciousness or containing spacious emptiness is still there and what youre experiencing sounds you know youre just becoming receptive and receiving information whether thats coming through the mind or in other forms
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lay2
| 26 |
negative feelings associated with it
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loc1
| 17 |
able to go to sort of what would be considered by the world a potentially less functional spot or not
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loc5+
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probably was yeah and then you know you can always of course remember that right um and so you know if if right now what feels like is happening is that union you know dissolving however we want to think about it kind of thing right um it doesnt mean that you cant remember the other thing
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loc3lay3
| 10 |
love
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loc3
| 19 |
myersbriggs cognitive functions
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nfw
| 21 |
awareness of some something that was aware of what was arising
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lay2
| 26 |
and so for something like an aliveness that you feel in the room
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lay3
| 27 |
perceiver is not right there
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lay3
| 27 |
its probably going to be a location two thing because the person has the meta emotion and theyre saying that theyre the divine
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loc2
| 18 |
like the actual visual field itself is bigger
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lay3
| 27 |
because of the no filtering
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loc4
| 20 |
he guided me back into the body and sensation and feeling and that began to shift my experience and felt like it stabilized me in a way but i also felt like that took a focus away necessarily so from deepening more into that location think had stuff in the way and needed to deal with that before could deepen
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loc4
| 20 |
lasting sense of peace
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tfw
| 22 |
and sometimes watching patients do the same and you know i cant say that to them of course oh my god just being silly it definitely and you know i can remember years past when no way would i have been able to do that no way it would have been fully in it and just playing the whole thing out and now even after maybe a kind of a biggest kind of fight with my husband you know ten minutes later ive caught myself laughing which im not going to admit to him but i was because it was just stupid it was silly it was no point to it
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lay2
| 26 |
the primary way of operating in the world comes from the perspective of this center which feels like a locus of self
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loc2
| 18 |
has been in the background habituation is the individualized sense of self for the average person up to the point at which they transition to fundamental well being
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tfwp
| 24 |
timeless presence pervading everything
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loc2lay3
| 6 |
real the self
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loc1
| 17 |
and location two and its sort of like a very nice functional place in location two
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loc2
| 18 |
like layer three
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lay3
| 27 |
sounds like what youre describing is that joy is like a quality thats infusing infusing the what is you
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lay3
| 27 |
you have to go to location three i think ive been there before and it is it seems really nice so uh but yeah guess thats the word in my mind just do that
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loc3
| 19 |
being attached to thinking and emotion
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lay1
| 25 |
experiencing the divine
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loc3
| 19 |
another type of presence
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lay2
| 26 |
three collapses
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lay3
| 27 |
location 4 individuals can have difficulty finding and building committed personal relationships no matter how wonderful things seem to start the absence of love tends to cause the other person to drift away
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loc4
| 20 |
i feel like nothing there
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lay2
| 26 |
the quality of spaciousness emptiness expansiveness openness and so on feels as though it pervades everything as the presence of divinity or as the panpsychist presence depending on how location 3 is showing up for that person
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loc3lay2
| 9 |
having consciousness at layer three liveliness and emotion can be felt in both living and nonliving things
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lay3
| 27 |
of increasingly merging with either the divine
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loc3
| 19 |
some eastern traditions also stop around this point while others stop earlier at location 2
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loc2
| 18 |
parts of negative emotions are still occasionally felt but only rarely fully form
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loc3
| 19 |
location 3 involves
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loc3
| 19 |
boundary or maybe even sometimes a little over into that experience
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lay4
| 28 |
richness details significance and and just relevance
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loc2lay3
| 6 |
first of all you know one of the things that this does is it shows your system it shows your nervous system that youre serious about this that its not something that is just two hours in a chair at your place um you know that its something that you want to do you want the system to start experimenting with bringing more into these different aspects and areas of your life and then you know itll find a way for you to be funny and still you know at a deeper stage of fundamental well being
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tfw
| 22 |
sense of freedom is unmatched by anything that comes before it
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loc4
| 20 |
i feel like im still maybe seeing spaciousness from layer one where i can be aware of it but maybe not purely i feel like when i try to experience it more purely that kind of contraction actually disappears
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lay1
| 25 |
joy seems to always be there
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loc3
| 19 |
if layer one its a thought mental activity if youre really in it you would feel a sense of identification with that
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lay1
| 25 |
place of presumptuousness
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loc3
| 19 |
the introspection and fundamental well being and the loss of it as we go deeper and deeper
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tfw
| 22 |
its kind of an experience of impermanence on the level of self or reality that youre looking for that kind of makes that experience could still be favored
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loc2lay2
| 5 |
from from layer three
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lay3
| 27 |
different types of freedom
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loc4
| 20 |
so you said that you werent sure whether at times your you were viewing layer one
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lay1
| 25 |
non dual
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loc2
| 18 |
when you go to location four you see through a lot of things that our previous and the in the continuum you and in the matrix even if you go to very strongly into layer four in location two you know you realize even from a very very strong glimpse of layer four in location two you really do realize that sort of everything from location three on down is just sort of imaginary
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loc4
| 20 |
location 3 only one dominant emotion is experienced
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loc3
| 19 |
so it sounds like at some point in your process of deepening youve actually shifted to location two
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loc2
| 18 |
life is simply unfolding
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loc4
| 20 |
if they say no and there was no sense of agency and you know they had a divine sense that went away and theyre clearly nondual and you go through some of the some more things that relate to location for location for a plus
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loc4
| 20 |
of participants experience though they
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loc1
| 17 |
we definitely know that layer two is in the mix and a deepening of layer two
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lay2
| 26 |
feels like full
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lay3
| 27 |
and so you want to keep a focus on the impersonal version of those because you are in location two and certainly personal forms of emotion can arise
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loc2
| 18 |
maybe if i were to do that today i might be able to recall i might be able to feel like an impersonal love but that day it was just nothing it was just totally blank
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loc4
| 20 |
or location four
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loc4
| 20 |
location 1 finders experience a fundamental shift from the narrative centered highly individualized self that is common among non finders to something that seems less personal larger and less isolated and separate
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loc1
| 17 |
promote motivation
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lay3
| 27 |
or a sense of spacious
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loc2
| 18 |
location one
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loc1
| 17 |
yeah and so that is something we would consider an impersonal form of self
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loc3
| 19 |
and its almost like im getting round up im getting corralled into being a me as the thoughts come and so theres no me at all when i wake up and it gets created so thats very clearly not there when i wake up
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loc1lay2
| 1 |
and so in location three there is and youre going between the two most subtle possible places you know potentially location wise
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loc3
| 19 |
things that sense of joy is very often more associated with layer three
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lay3
| 27 |
richness
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loc3
| 19 |
so its not like spacious emptiness
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lay2
| 26 |
little blandness
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lay2
| 26 |
its just like quiet everythings quiet its like a quiet acceptance
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lay2
| 26 |
i can get in touch with spaciousness
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lay2
| 26 |
fullness and richness with presence
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lay3
| 27 |
sense of emotion
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loc3
| 19 |
my favorite definition of illusion is that its something real that appears to be something else other than what it is so its real smoke and mirrors that the magician uses to create the illusion that they just saw the woman in half you know so so thats kind of interesting perspective on it
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loc4
| 20 |
it triggers the persona who is rewarded for her intelligence was paid to be a management consultant to analyze massive data sets and i dont want to be in that uh space but i can feel that theres a residual
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loc1
| 17 |
union
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loc3
| 19 |
reported that it still had significant effects on
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loc1
| 17 |
in location 1 layer 4 every meal is an act of gratitude tasting flavors with a mindfulness that nourishes body and soul
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loc1lay4
| 3 |
centered form of experience
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loc4
| 20 |
less personal drama
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lay2
| 26 |
nothing
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lay4
| 28 |
not too aware of other things and and yeah the thoughts also carry a different nature again this happened again after like ten 15 years ago after i read eckhart tolles book the power of now and then after a few years something changed also in how my thoughts were it changed from being a narrative self inside myself to being very subtle thoughts that are quicker and this actually bothered me a lot during my meditation retreats and so on because i found it harder to kind of deal with the mind because thoughts could just come up really rapid pace it still happens and doesnt feel the thoughts have kind of not much substance to it and it feels like a different quality and i would say i couldnt even call it like inspiration it just emerges disappears relevant to to what im doing
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lay3
| 27 |
emptiness of layer two
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loc3lay2
| 9 |
layer one you can get a feel for is this a useful thing or would i prefer to have you know access to something like layer one from somewhere else whether a more awareness
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lay1
| 25 |
in location 1 layer 4 technology and tradition weave together creating a tapestry that honors past present and future
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loc1lay4
| 3 |
so its i can cope with it much better but still there theres this basic feeling of of okayness equanimity thats just always there it might be a bit more in the in the background when things get really busy but in general its just this this feeling of everything is okay and i can handle everything and theres this the possibility to to do a lot of things simultaneously and to be on top of things
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loc1
| 17 |
they are also more likely to be able to manipulate the overall process by effecting whats happening at current or arising layers this was typically possible at location 1
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loc1
| 17 |
you have a sense of perception arising from spaciousness in terms of the thoughts in terms of the vision and auditory based exercises in terms of whats noticing it
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lay2
| 26 |
well im thinking of like two things now it was i did think i glimpsed location four for a while and there were no emotions like at all uh and its very quiet there and like i was yeah i felt like i was just or not even i but like whatever just being like thought it that way and then just being just doing things on its own and like theres no me anymore for a while so that one is pretty clear i think yeah there werent emotions in that at that point
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loc4
| 20 |
fundamentally okay increasingly came into the
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loc1
| 17 |
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