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assistant | Right. We. That's who we are. |
user | We are an alcohol to become that. |
assistant | Yes. |
user | We can stop from coming at just like we learned to Alcoholics Anonymous. |
assistant | Yeah. |
user | So we can learn from that. So that's why they learn from that. So now it's not hopeless anymore. |
assistant | Right. That's why it's so hard for people, because they have a memory of all the things they've done that's wrong. And they do it all the time, and that becomes who they think they. |
user | Are till they start changing the picture. Right. It's all about changing the channel, you know? |
assistant | Right. |
user | Change their channel in life. |
assistant | Well, that's what's so exciting about you. With this new chapter of your life, you've just completely changed who you are. You went from pot smoking Mike Tyson, who's running Tyson Ranch, who's this real nice guy to hang around with, doing hot boxing with Mike Tyson, fun to be with. Everything's great. And all of a sudden, you shift right back into Mike Tyson, the murderer again. |
user | Well, it's just that, as I said earlier today, if we knew who we were, we'd be very limited. You know? We don't know who we are. We don't know. You don't know what you might do tomorrow when you wake up. True. You might. Are you married? |
assistant | Yeah. |
user | Well, listen, you might get married again. |
assistant | You might go crazy, might take on a new job. Well, that's one of the exciting things about life, right? I mean, this has to be an exciting time for you to make this big switch. |
user | Yeah, think about that, too. But I think about a lot. I think about a lot. Like, you know, I'm 54 and that I'm not gonna be here much longer. And when I go, I'm gonna see my wife and kids again. Friends that I loved all my life. I'm gonna go see them again. I started thinking about that. |
assistant | Yeah. |
user | You know. You know, when we think about it, this guy's book. What is it? Every one beat away from our internal journey. Some guy sent me that book, and I said, wow, this is pretty cool. Because it's true. We're only one heartbeat away from dying and going on that long ride of not knowing or feeling. Cause that's when I was on the toe. DMT is all about feeling. |
assistant | Yeah. |
user | The feel makes the reality. |
assistant | How much did that change your perspective on life when you had those experiences? |
user | It got me in shape. It got me this. This is what it had me do as soon as I did it. The first time I did it, it just blew my mind. Then I did it again and said, hey, you better get in shape. Let's get in shape. Let's get in. What the fuck's wrong with you? Yeah, listen, I like it. |
assistant | I told you. Hey, you're fucking up. Especially when you think about. |
user | Yeah, I'm not the guy you have to say, hey, Mike, man, you know, you gain a few pounds let's kind of work it out, man. You can do it. Hey, you big fat, dumb nigga. Get your shit together. Look at you. Big fat mother. You're a fat, lazy motherfucker. That motivates me. |
assistant | You need to hear that, and you need to tell it to yourself. |
user | Yeah. No. Anybody the right person needs to tell it to me, too. Who the fuck's gonna say that to you? They do. Hey, hey, hey, listen. Where was I? Somewhere around Freddie. I went somewhere to do something. Then I saw one of Freddie Roach's trainers. Irish guy, european guy. And he knew me for years. Cause I used to work with. He said, what the fuck is wrong with you? Look at you, man. This is not fucking right. Look at. Oh, Mike, what the fuck are you doing? And, wow. I felt this big. But he sat around a bunch of people. But he said, you know, this is not right. This is not right. I said, fuck, he's right. And I got right. |
assistant | Yeah. Some people would call that fat shaming, but I think fat shaming works for me. Works for me, too. If I got fat, I want someone. |
user | To yell at me. Somebody's not yelling at me. And I found out he. That he thought that I was a fat motherfucker. He wouldn't tell me. I wouldn't be a friend of mine. I wouldn't be cool with him no more. If he's not telling me. Your mic, man. It's not right, man. At least let me know. I might not want, but let me know that I'm not looking good. Shit ain't right. Yeah, you know. Cause the guy ain't gonna tell you. He's gonna hang around, let you stay, eating and fucking hanging around, drinking. That's the enemy, man. Yeah, that's the enemy. |
assistant | So you do the DMT trip, and then you have it in your head. Like, I gotta get in shape. |
user | Absolutely. Absolutely. Like, sometimes you say, like, body shaming doesn't hurt people. It hurts some people. To me. It makes me. Hey, man, let me. It helps me. That's the kind. I'm not that guy. |
assistant | The only way it hurts people is if you don't have. Listen, if someone says you're fat and then it hurts your feelings, but you don't work out, then it hurts you. But if someone says you're fat and it hurts your feelings, and you say, I'm gonna use this as a motivator to get back in shape, then it helps you. |
user | Exactly. |
assistant | Fat shaming is only bad if you don't stop. |
user | I never looked at it as fat shaman like, when that's what you said. Like, who's gonna say it to Mike? Like, I don't respect that guy. |
assistant | Yeah. |
user | The guy that thinks like that, I'm not gonna tell him. That's my energy. |
assistant | Right. He's not helping you. |
user | He's my enemy. Right, right. He's my enemy. |
assistant | He's my enemy. So the DMT trip opened your eyes to that. |
user | Absolutely. |
assistant | Yeah. But that's not something you want to. |
user | Do while you're in camp, you know? I did it 16 times. 1716 times. Yeah. Never regret doing it. Never regret doing it. |
assistant | I think everybody should do it. |
user | It's just not everybody, but everybody. Not for everybody. Yeah, not for everybody. |
assistant | Not everybody. Everybody who needs it should do it. I should say that? |
user | Yeah. Because some people believe this is all this is, the real world out here. Yeah. They really believe this is reality. |
assistant | Isn't that interesting? Like, once you do it, you realize that that world is somewhere vivid than this world. |
user | And we gotta be in that world longer than we gotta be in this world. |
assistant | Yeah, that's probably true. I don't know what it is, but it's probably true. |
user | But this will. Listen, this is what happened. You do this toe stuff or any of those interesting narcotics, you have a different opinion about dying and the fear of dying? |
assistant | Yeah. |
user | You know, you say you start to think, hey, maybe I'm living too long. You know? Shit. |
assistant | Well, maybe that's just another existence. That's what made me think, like, maybe this is always that. And maybe this life that we have, this temporary life that we're clinging on to, that's so important. |
user | Why is it even the guy that age, why nobody wants to really stick onto the fact that after we die, it's over? Why nobody wants to hold on to that than saying, well, there's something more than really being confident with saying, hey, there's something else after this. Is that from scaring us from dying early or what? You know, why do people stick with that? Is that the smooth? Is that to soften our ride to their internal of darkness or what it might be? |
assistant | I mean, we don't know until we die, right? Yeah, but everybody think. The people that think that it's just over when you die, it's over, you know, the world, darkness, and then that's it. That might be right. Or it might be that you go to that place where you go when you smoke DMT. It might be that. That might be. |
user | You don't remember when you were born, do you? You know, you remember when you died. I think when we're born again. If we're born again, we're not gonna remember the life we had. Not gonna remember this shit. |
assistant | I've always said everybody's scared to die, but no one's scared to sleep. |
user | You know, sleep. Some people are. Yeah, some people are afraid to sleep. You know, they get their moments where sometimes you say, wait, I might not wake up this morning. Cause you hear and, you know, people that just go to sleep, having a nice time with you, didn't do any drugs, and they still didn't wake up. |
assistant | That's true, too. But the thing about sleep is you're pretty confident you're gonna come back. So you're willing to shut off. It's okay. But no one wants to shut off forever. |
user | But listen, the belief that you're gonna come back is magnificent. |
assistant | Yeah. |
user | The belief to know that we're gonna wake up in the morning, imagine we went into life like that with that belief. |
assistant | Yeah. And you think life is just temporary. And then when it's over, you're gonna go to an even more magnificent place. |
user | But we say life. What? When we. That's not. Life is not over when we leave this place, right. It's another form of life we haven't experienced yet. Right. Even if it's the black life, where it's just all darkness is a part of life that we have to embrace in some kind of form or fashion. |
assistant | Well, that's the weird thing about the toad, right? Is that there's no visions. |
user | But the. But the feeling's so intense. You see, right? The feeling is so intense. Even makeup or whatever you see it from. That's why feeling is so important. We just don't even understand the feelings. The eye, we just don't understand. They even lie to us. |
assistant | Right? |
user | Our eyes lie to us. |
assistant | I remember the first thing I felt is so insignificant. Like, you're just a part of everything. You're part of the whole universe. And instead of looking at yourself as a center of the universe, when I did it, it just made me realize, like, no. You're part of this infinite thing. And you're such a small part. Everyone is such a small part. The universe itself is what's big. And you're just a piece of it. |
user | We're all just feeding each other. |
assistant | Yeah. |
user | We're all just feeding each other blood to just run into each other's feet. To the hole, the dirt, the mud, everything. The water, the ocean, the air. We're just all feeding each other. Yeah. The bugs. There's more. Listen, there's more stars in the space than there are grains of sand in the desert. Can you imagine that? |
assistant | It's ridiculous. Us. What do you think about aliens, Mike? |
user | I think we're aliens. |
assistant | You think so? |
user | I think we're descendants of aliens. |
assistant | Yeah. |
user | Yeah. That's the only thing I could come, if you can't explain, if you can only tell me about Adam and Eve, I'm gonna go with the aliens. |
assistant | Hmm. |
user | If that's what you hit me with. Adam and Eve. Yeah, I'm gonna go with these alien guys. |
assistant | Well, there's a lot of people that believe that we're the product of Aliena, that aliens came down and did some experience, experiments with lower hominids and did some accelerated genetic experiments and created people. |
user | Well, listen, aliens, listen, when, when certain tribes of people, I'm not saying caucasian, when they came to Africa, even before that, when people came to other people, the first time they seen them, they were aliens. Yeah, first time I, an asian man saw a caucasian man that was an alien, a black man saw an asian man, a white man that was an alien. |
assistant | Yep. |
user | Maybe they weren't aliens, but that's what they thought they were. They were just a tribe of people that encountered them and perhaps they were getting extinct. They were dying and they had to breathe through the lower, whatever you were saying, lower homage. The lower homage. And maybe this is us, because they had certain, and as you may know, because I know, you know, you do these kind of researches, they already discovered there were different forms of species that's working down to us, that came from us, and now we're at the degree of, I guess we're the human species of our everyday. |
assistant | Yeah, there was a bunch of different kinds of humans. Yeah, yeah, there was many, many different kinds of humans. |
user | And before they were here, millions of years before, millions of years after we were erectus, after we walked, they always been here. It's very rare that you can find a human life that wasn't erectus. They could find a skeleton in one that walked in all fours. The oldest person they found is 4,000,004.4 million years old. Lucy, I believe it is. 4.4 million years old is nothing. |
assistant | It's nothing in terms of people. |
user | People were erected then. People were walking on both feet then, you know, you know, for me, for years, 4 million years ago, so they never found, I don't believe they ever found the skeleton of a human that wasn't erectus. |
assistant | That's one of the things about life is that life is so short. |
user | Everything goes well, twinkle of an eye. |
assistant | If everything goes, well, you live a hundred and. But that is nothing in terms of the life of the planet. |
user | You know how long it took them to build the great Wall of China? |
assistant | Thousands of years. |
user | 2000 years. Yeah, 2000 years. Can you imagine that? And that's nothing. 2000 years is less than what Christ has been around. Christ is young. You know how young Christ is? You know how young he is in. |
assistant | Terms of the world? Yeah, yeah. That's how bad they wanted to keep the Mongols out. They built the fucking wall. Took them thousands of years. You ever read about Genghis Khan? |
user | Listen, his real name is Timujin. |
assistant | Yeah. |
user | And he. Let me tell you what happened. He's like 13 when he died, around 13. What? 14. His real reign was like, in the twelves and the early 13 hundreds. And first of all, he came from. He's real poor. His mother and father, they all came. They got beat up. They took out. He had a woman, then they took his wife. But he got friendly with a real bad mother. A real. He was a criminal, but he was the baddest. Oh, he was so bad. And he loved Temogen. He just became. You know how some guy. See a guy and they hit off one guy was. He was really weak at the time. And this other gang had took his wife and he. And this him. And this guy was making line with raiding stuff, and he was just sad. He said, what is wrong? Cause the guy really loved him. He said, what is wrong? He said, these people took my wife. And he said, don't worry, I got many a wife. What are you worrying about? That one wife. But I really loved her because he really loved her. And so the guy said, listen, I'm gonna help you get your wife back. But you don't ever tell nobody that we raided this city because of a woman, okay? And so he went back, and the guy got his wife back. And so the guy like to be number two. Cause he loved him so much. But he got jealous because the men started favoring Genghis. Cause Genghis would let them raid everything. He said, keep it all. He wouldn't take nothing. Keep it all. Let the men have it all. And they all started looking up to him and following him. And then the other guy got jealous. And eventually Genghis had to kill him. But he said he wanted. Genghis didn't want to do it, but he said, you have to kill me. And so Genghis killed him, but you want to go. He said, you're not going to spill any blood. So he crushed them rocks. So he wants no blood, no cuts or nothing like that. But that was his best friend. And after he died, that's how Genghis had the reputation. |
assistant | So you followed him, you paid attention to him, you read a bunch of shit. |
user | I named my dog after his favorite wife, Pei Ling. Oh, wow. |
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