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nyt_comments_9848255.0	Most TImes readers would agree that the <PERSON> presidency will be the worst thing for the United States since Fort Sumter was fired upon.<br/><br/>But you know what the problem is? We're not representative of the nation. While a considerable number of people in the US share this view, another considerable number of people don't. And an even larger number of people just don't care. <br/><br/>These non-carers are the biggest barrier in keeping the country from imploding. They don't vote, are disengaged politically and likely in many other ways, narrowly focused on the minutiae of their own lives (often, I suspect, on making ends meet), and either lack the capacity for nuanced analysis of how these far away events impact them or simply don't register these events as important to their lives. Instead, they go on existing, with their televisions (on which <PERSON> appears as just another pass-the-time entertainment option) as background noise and their smartphones as distraction, trying to grab some pleasure from their day-to-day circumstances, sometimes falling into problematic situations and trying to extricate themselves, but not seeing themselves as part of a larger society or narrative.<br/><br/>I have no doubt that if we could get a majority of the American public actually ENGAGED, there might be better outcomes to a <PERSON> presidency--maybe even its end. But how do you get so many tuned-out people to understand that nations fail when too many tune out? That's the big question.	591,910	null	112	[ 498750, 537688, 432158, 431655, 102302, 451119, 273565, 498751, 333871, 322086, 475651, 243578, 268496, 240286, 451479, 66784, 25420, 317257, 415305, 150585, 149687, 504558, 524028, 5414, 451038, 510003, 220817, 300776, 490662, 6114, 165317, 553927, 19390, 310679, 520880, 503842, 66057, 462418, 530104, 291617, 558365, 99588, 18991, 151078, 262916, 413413, 80633, 522822, 537758, 415226, 532318, 177377, 399703, 475067, 156719, 376561, 470179, 192083, 323030, 80631, 352754, 167722, 584951, 147425, 315069, 386399, 2123, 240755, 102399, 521345, 150218, 481037, 111986, 54407, 322142, 166474, 211640, 159725, 29404, 218196, 304991, 311950, 121021, 433842, 458891, 13052, 582617, 298097, 194715, 451293, 107862, 136175, 565872, 520895, 479164, 556883, 291523, 322175, 151828, 482497, 438373, 559010, 538302, 352392, 289968, 498752, 184279, 473918, 167889, 531896, 429332, 467251, 524008, 329868, 107923, 576883, 185614, 57759, 51802, 391805, 451102, 31434, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	"Equality may be self-evident, but it has never been self-executing".<br/><br/>Therein lies some of the answer to <PERSON> discussion with other here on how to best advance the cause of racial/class equality.<br/><br/>The psychological theory of cognitive dissonance states that generally, changes in behavior do not follow changes in attitudes; rather, changes in attitude follow changes in behavior. In other words, it's more effective to throw people together and have them interact in all their complexities, as the observations picked up from those interactions will be incompatible--dissonant--with stereotyped (i.e., racist/classist) attitudes and then (slowly) attitudes will change to be more consonant with behavior.<br/><br/>What this translates into is more along the lines of "get 'em by the laws, and their hearts and minds will follow". Sure, there may be some initial resistance to those changes in law, but over time having to deal with people as wholes, rather than as stereotypes, leads to change in attitude. It's certainly arguable that this is what resulted in widespread acceptance of gay marriage, for example--dealing day to day with gay people in all their human complexity, others discovered they had hopes, dreams, feelings, and frailties just like everyone else.<br/><br/>To be on our way to solve, or at least to lessen, the racism/ethnocentrism/ classism of this society we all need to mix more. A LOT more. And that starts with more anti-discriminatory law and regulation, not less.	591,911	[ 591941 ]	202	[ 82286, 352139, 185333, 440472, 188566, 431599, 328649, 135432, 198661, 139947, 284741, 129229, 202477, 583449, 370057, 251524, 479412, 86967, 445165, 509341, 49990, 239777, 67367, 80559, 295851, 82483, 395854, 864, 480838, 371263, 459617, 248487, 319463, 532995, 49057, 88598, 473592, 221093, 532977, 133530, 541831, 106876, 203084, 268653, 503853, 400600, 562369, 514338, 485013, 66784, 146489, 391110, 554395, 338083, 364377, 190771, 269170, 504540, 397988, 211648, 190674, 409978, 140771, 429460, 557715, 448771, 232191, 248329, 222757, 590072, 468320, 322092, 329804, 93509, 421058, 427447, 132788, 504556, 23165, 541323, 413980, 586558, 450892, 245490, 265138, 68295, 546779, 323854, 183614, 126131, 5408, 217493, 470955, 318404, 130069, 570596, 24130, 320953, 256229, 206415, 112918, 333424, 314345, 210814, 102248, 382346, 361146, 175943, 40332, 106877, 489814, 341372, 121816, 444306, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	The various marches tomorrow will all involve wonderful optics, and may well serve as a balm to the despair freely floating around progressive circles right now.<br/><br/>But if that's all they do, they will ultimately be inconsequential.<br/><br/>The real purpose of these marches (as I try to remind everyone I can) is to meet people with whom you may not agree entirely, but who share enough concerns about the incoming administration that they are allies in most respects. And allies, by definition, form alliances.<br/><br/>These marches required the exercising of organizational skills, and they are about extending these organizational skills in the battle to dump <PERSON>. They may differ in some details of their agendae, but presumably all would agree that a <PERSON> administration is NAGI (Not A Good Idea) and should be replaced as fast as possible. And that requires concerted action, networks set up as a result of putting together these marches, new partnerships formed in the meeting of the previously unmet.<br/><br/>Remember those who protested for civil rights and against the war back in the prehistoric age (the 60's)? They didn't all agree on everything. But they agreed certain things were intolerable, and worked on those. (And they WERE considerably effective in gaining civil rights advances and causing the country to withdraw from a war.)<br/><br/>Don't despise. 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	I appreciate the analogy to "Yes, Minister" (eventually, "Yes, Prime Minister")--the bureaucracy of civil servants, despite their peccadillos, did manage to restrain the impulses of the title character--but there is one important difference: the title character as portrayed generally acted from the heart, with what he thought were the best interests of the nation in mind, even if he sometimes had trouble grasping the consequences.<br/><br/>Mr. <PERSON> has no heart to act from, and he's definitely not going to act with the best interests of the nation in mind, but with the aggrandizement of the <PERSON> name and brand in mind.<br/><br/>And, yes, in so doing, chaos and incompetence may be a bigger threat than willful, purposeful fascism from <PERSON>. But the same cannot be said of the people he is appointing to the executive branch, or of the Republican congressional leadership. These people are purposeful, sympathetic to fascism, and will attempt to distract the ego-starved orange one with shiny objects long enough to get his signature on bills and executive orders designed to buttress the plutocracy and the continued disenfranchisement of what they consider the undeserving rabble.<br/><br/>Anyone who believes in Truth, Justice, and the American Way and wants to see it survive this administration better don a cape now.	591,913	null	199	[ 502202, 817, 441027, 225246, 194316, 288143, 575671, 275531, 12121, 188804, 495212, 22973, 537932, 322152, 206688, 49742, 71939, 322091, 471533, 194389, 204883, 76217, 376386, 572506, 563352, 558618, 327586, 57659, 256357, 457204, 354956, 369080, 329277, 405080, 153918, 390890, 396847, 591570, 334496, 465901, 339138, 421020, 530034, 137543, 272167, 207836, 558369, 407605, 440175, 5277, 120394, 354020, 149599, 155902, 18968, 293488, 497251, 591526, 436326, 165325, 417855, 441107, 544261, 119882, 516084, 424116, 334552, 18875, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	One important distinction not made here--the difference in derision directed towards "ascribed" characteristics vs. directed at "achieved" characteristics.<br/><br/>Ascribed characteristics are those we are born into, or have no volitional control over. Examples: gender identity, sexual preference, racial category, nationality, body type, physical challenge; these may also include religious/socioeconomic status one is born into, though those may be more amenable to volitional influence.<br/><br/>Achieved characteristics are not born into or fixed. Many aspects of personality fall into this category, as do one's public statements, conscious behavioral responses, and attitudes.<br/><br/>We are a lot less tolerant of contempt/derision towards ascribed characteristics because it's perceived as blaming people for things they have little or no control over. However, contempt directed at achieved characteristics is fair game, as people have choice over these, and can choose differently.<br/><br/>Trump too often directs his scorn at the ascribed. Limiting derision to the achieved allows it to be comic or satirical, rather than just mean spirited. And criticism of those things over which <PERSON> has choice--tweets, Cabinet picks, etc., are allowable; most agree that's it an achieved characteristic to choose to insult people's ascribed characteristics, so criticism of THAT is justified. 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	"America first."<br/><br/>Many, maybe most, people hear that and think, what could be wrong with that? Certainly, our officials should place the interests of the country before those of any other nation.<br/><br/>The problem, of course, is when such officials conflate their own interests with the interests of the nation. And when they see interests as a zero sum game--if we don't get for ourselves, "they"--whatever "they" is in vogue at the time--will. Often the "they" is not only people outside the borders, but groups inside, actually part of the nation, that are somehow seen as not part of it, as illegitimate. (Germany's Jews, remember, predominantly thought of themselves as citizens of the fatherland, like any others, and very well-integrated into societal institutions.)<br/><br/>A little nationalism may be fun at the Olympics, but patriotism IS the last refuge of the scoundrel. 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	"There’s so much substantive ground on which to confront <PERSON>. There are acres upon acres. Why swerve into the gutter? Why help him dismiss his detractors as people in thrall to the theater of their outrage and no better than he is?"<br/><br/>Frank, I agree with you in principle, but I have to admit it seems like the rules of discourse have shifted, perhaps permanently.<br/><br/>I used to think, as I think many liberals and progressives still do, that it is good to go high when "they" go low, that if we simply expressed our points in their obvious logic and reasonableness, they would eventually win the day. But in an age of "truthiness" and "alternative facts", in which large masses of people apparently do not have the ability to separate actual fact from chaff, this seems more and more like bringing a position paper to a gunfight. Never mind that the outrageous has become so ho-hum that getting people wrapped up in their multiple screens to EVEN notice an expressed position or a factual refutation is quite heavy lifting.<br/><br/>Nowadays it may be that only really cutting satire, shocking language, or humiliating visuals can get people roused enough to notice, much less to stand for or against (the wit of the marches' signage may be an indicator of that--a well-turned phrase moves more people than a white paper analysis). And while I prefer logical argument, it may be that you have to get down into the gutter to confront the rats, because, unfortunately, that's where they are.	591,916	null	127	[ 18991, 120199, 507309, 564241, 297427, 316026, 115803, 448797, 139180, 397996, 66784, 432401, 48818, 40805, 314832, 17264, 352893, 451401, 130082, 534161, 238187, 567410, 498752, 248229, 284390, 491666, 76983, 261232, 583986, 64533, 454586, 397434, 269426, 322592, 99791, 169211, 216787, 70545, 426048, 129990, 320548, 272947, 41781, 583138, 491705, 513212, 361669, 46470, 81967, 37998, 581372, 136620, 93602, 336315, 239366, 431677, 223536, 227820, 178513, 561574, 198748, 494526, 585975, 566777, 364229, 557454, 106501, 358441, 157046, 320950, 50577, 459572, 407431, 158201, 188842, 435191, 546700, 141190, 321146, 234343, 227867, 482310, 5974, 519683, 5158, 342224, 175960, 322072, 586610, 401767, 334803, 149784, 110461, 513188, 384776, 264045, 561352, 554369, 586656, 159908, 520880, 81126, 249926, 117852, 149025, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	Due to the pace of technologic change, and the pace of social change, and the ability, thanks to expanded personal media, of even the less interested to immediately be made aware of every last little depredation, it's not surprising that those who are uncomfortable with change have a lot to be uncomfortable about, and what they are uncomfortable with they tend to fear. And fear leads to an inward, isolationist, circling the wagons response in many.<br/><br/>The real question is why so many think the proper response is to destroy, to mow the field, rather then to adapt. The mowed field, after all, will just regenerate, and often with tougher weeds.	591,917	null	122	[ 186603, 489655, 298467, 168726, 16176, 380263, 389269, 276833, 408189, 153661, 246045, 43019, 201674, 242388, 119484, 583091, 381231, 231674, 578514, 517434, 58047, 179006, 526596, 541039, 82525, 65010, 523918, 22869, 352898, 419020, 568124, 437864, 330929, 340607, 43946, 81164, 491526, 554433, 31082, 34223, 334542, 489837, 306471, 267440, 358989, 321671, 341954, 532229, 76761, 193817, 179235, 105123, 18204, 277050, 434453, 214157, 476065, 66645, 538636, 236952, 454988, 237170, 180149, 354648, 548689, 369447, 352737, 460572, 346295, 519111, 432042, 257894, 304753, 538111, 434814, 3751, 135880, 513627, 147098, 494501, 554332, 485729, 318696, 482883, 519335, 298527, 167132, 74143, 291523, 553662, 321128, 350274, 307489, 446417, 503568, 80602, 256072, 340265, 369069, 87958, 218342, 38359, 234343, 531231, 362516, 29671, 538296, 528676, 17933, 301994, 322215, 280417, 473669, 503219, 408253, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	We've gotten so used to paying low, low prices for stuff we've forgotten that the prices are low because the makers of the stuff get paid low, low wages.<br/><br/>I'm not a fan of redressing this through tariffs, which I think historically lead to a non-virtuous cycle, with international ill will thrown in for good measure. I much prefer some version of a Value Added Tax on consumables with certain necessities excluded. We already do this to a certain extent with sales taxes exempted on most foodstuffs; we could expand the exemption category and slap larger VAT's on luxury items (i.e., jewlery, certain vehicle classes, even homes of large square footage).<br/><br/>And, while this is so obvious is may not even be worth discussing, a series of TRULY progressive income tax brackets on very high income--and capital gains treated as ordinary income for tax purposes--would go a long ways towards rectifying our revenue problem. And we DO have a revenue problem when it comes to public funds, not a spending problem. (I have no qualms about simplifying the tax codes, both personal and corporate, but affluent people, and corporations, have to pay a bigger share--complaints that the corporate tax rates are too high mean nothing when the law structure allows most corporations to avoid the rates.)	591,918	[ 591861 ]	251	[ 338830, 444228, 436334, 370268, 307838, 214408, 384804, 444245, 569942, 222446, 238159, 179667, 337835, 209084, 94512, 470391, 436328, 6904, 110923, 222555, 485070, 47695, 228897, 333079, 148728, 512166, 382681, 546162, 39367, 399622, 321594, 444219, 77429, 28970, 533889, 228889, 174602, 87135, 349266, 241272, 209101, 477755, 402076, 176905, 406720, 136164, 528769, 236081, 347673, 47001, 55314, 21557, 401931, 518421, 383467, 181518, 518716, 503124, 196558, 382574, 21657, 254369, 541688, 442287, 204577, 222470, 455046, 292300, 536323, 81553, 533890, 543477, 21659, 16250, 291462, 535254, 147432, 263243, 491862, 77724, 521197, 390925, 566846, 542, 33834, 444278, 402170, 33218, 284994, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	Absolutely, sdavidc9.<br/><br/>Education and insight is the enemy of the rapacious capitalist, the grifter, and the demagogue. So there are plenty of those working hard to make sure that such education will not come to pass; might hurt the profit margin and the power grab.<br/><br/>It's enough to make one wonder if <PERSON> was underestimating the rate at which suckers are created. The bigger problem, though, is the Social Darwinist mindset that posits suckers deserve what is coming to them, and there shouldn't be any practices or mandates to try to slow down sucker formation, or increase savvy, because "that's just not the way the world works--the strong and smart survive and prosper and the weak and ignorant get taken"--or eaten.<br/><br/>Not every nation has this ethos, but in Calvinist America, we're particularly unsympathetic to the average.	591,919	null	15	[ 541018, 359581, 377266, 119440, 193379, 119463, 430211, 373965, 109001, 302643, 6433, 439344, 98184, 167700, 464215, 100121, 6597, 2789, 468936, 180860, 262486, 367486, 104991, 553134, 293536, 203341, 524323, 592074, 399194, 264892, 6245, 67168, 446626, 496127, 429942, 477866, 521413, 50731, 571621, 267353, 511289, 129990, 393341, 492342, 405041, 546310, 162982, 44755, 12956, 468703, 189351, 19591, 272532, 585632, 245058, 1521, 477545, 556863, 175850, 64138, 218692, 367088, 109246, 199700, 302635, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	Yup. Time to stop being so nice and polite.<br/><br/>This is, of course, an occupational hazard among Democrats and progressives--the belief that a well-reasoned and politely delivered argument will win hearts and minds through its obvious logical superiority.<br/><br/>This belief runs aground, though, on the primacy of the reptilian part of the human brain that acts on emotion rather than logic.<br/><br/>Republican obfuscators are aware of this primacy. It's why their appeals are all emotive, all fear-activating. Logic? An unnecessary encumbrance. <br/><br/>As has been said so many times that it's becoming a tired cliche, Democrats, stop bringing knives to gun fights. Time to fight fire with fire. Do the work and the investigations, and then trumpet (pun intended) the results in the most emotive and fear-mongering way possible. At least the fears that would be trumpeted in that way would have the virtue of being true.	591,920	null	193	[ 503937, 82231, 269030, 506954, 224571, 289581, 590504, 571623, 239296, 309243, 529912, 31377, 328496, 342256, 205061, 556469, 325915, 340195, 89988, 500562, 329691, 310800, 12220, 471082, 416078, 545853, 71884, 268909, 471568, 480737, 471176, 312038, 43297, 577335, 342213, 203736, 572400, 314864, 456787, 195322, 186373, 570642, 129983, 427615, 572930, 131996, 110499, 312911, 149665, 172539, 82417, 440638, 189878, 329589, 19458, 367724, 303626, 110006, 556399, 337731, 147359, 424688, 209628, 386170, 547902, 523628, 267398, 322657, 90749, 564900, 379232, 489793, 235234, 384229, 480500, 376880, 513228, 121612, 587678, 175018, 43623, 316430, 417134, 390141, 183688, 548425, 357773, 435731, 469698, 545439, 261241, 512017, 172375, 244522, 566370, 223788, 201946, 66727, 523565, 7131, 520542, 450626, 538116, 451605, 495992, 372144, 506144, 480729, 276342, 294106, 336520, 82474, 21715, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	Quite spot on Bruce.<br/><br/>I too wonder how people let themselves be so easily manipulated, although, given my career-based familiarity with research in psychology, I do know that there are some mechanisms that have been delineated.<br/><br/>Still, it would be harder to do so if people didn't already have ready-made narratives to dampen the cognitive dissonance. Another column in the Times today discusses one major narrative--the globalist vs. nationalist viewpoint divide--and how that enables people to fit "alternative facts" into a worldview:<br/><br/><a href="_URL_0_" title="_URL_0_" target="_blank">_URL_0_</a><br/><br/>(The political question of whether the nation state is still the best organizing principle for governing people, is, I admit, compelling in an era of rapid travel, even more rapid communication, and corporations that operate across traditional borders.)	591,921	null	45	[ 292390, 103080, 443694, 291440, 445943, 43239, 259984, 577852, 475768, 300360, 51498, 94451, 309968, 43203, 439838, 515137, 496686, 549088, 260040, 108687, 496522, 386715, 291518, 260198, 264038, 570803, 90592, 310372, 425785, 262231, 439807, 327745, 260216, 92155, 439728, 496760, 213920, 398109, 51455, 92306, 147008, 270715, 187948, 204374, 59176, 33083, 36872, 106802, 51699, 439780, 327828, 234553, 280871, 83944, 10365, 217783, 364230, 496724, 511837, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	This is what happens when you allow a Calvinist/Social Darwinist viewpoint to overwhelm the political system.<br/><br/>The United States, almost uniquely in the world, has an elite that believes its an Elect, and acts accordingly. What that means is that it places the entire blame for poverty within the impoverished individual, in keeping with the Calvinist idea that one's worthiness for God's favor and heaven is reflected in the amount of material possessions and wealth accumulated on Earth. If one has a lot of this, one has obviously been smiled upon by God. And if one does not have this, one has obviously NOT been smiled upon by God, and, moreover, is not worthy of any help from other humans, because, in this circular reasoning, one has not been smiled upon by God and is unworthy of help.<br/><br/>Our "Elect" don't often make this argument in a direct theological way, but one can see the viewpoint in the "If you're so smart, why aren't you rich?" ethos of so many of our oligarchs. If the poor don't survive well, it's because they're too dumb, lazy, inferior, etc., and they don't deserve a handout. In fact, many of our oligarchs are Dickensian enough to enact policy that speeds the dissolution and deaths of the poor, as "those" people are sucking up resources that should "rightly" accrue to their greedy selves.<br/><br/>This Calvinist mentality is particularly common among the big Republican donor cohort. It's influence needs to be minimized if we are ever to attack deep poverty.	591,922	[ 591847, 591838 ]	106	[ 81718, 270410, 215206, 538904, 436353, 217296, 560183, 204333, 497796, 246261, 252624, 500408, 203982, 497778, 23491, 249815, 424560, 109274, 386396, 5305, 169193, 364829, 358127, 211506, 532348, 94409, 350348, 451232, 337700, 195853, 475080, 273629, 146537, 78871, 465833, 554052, 469532, 462365, 475026, 41571, 415226, 565139, 407042, 146417, 136415, 578628, 511389, 36747, 415253, 142013, 583250, 176959, 5724, 482339, 269683, 297316, 571323, 198858, 456671, 465814, 5391, 572401, 96917, 469698, 398697, 291161, 97596, 273585, 393711, 5158, 336339, 109314, 494544, 451516, 60960, 464215, 449862, 270081, 505828, 501312, 39736, 84838, 125908, 96771, 379590, 332110, 136034, 564932, 5821, 86874, 449223, 533065, 364831, 31081, 558457, 489599, 289465, 364917, 337648, 40081, 241148, 40076, 542739, 41590, 557426, 484155, 174685, 563449, 396314, 237819, 531596, 23452, 300340, 5163, 274595, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	The Democrats did not have a very strong hand to play here from the beginning. And then, as is their wont, they misplayed that hand anyway.<br/><br/>The punditocracy severely overestimates the degree of sympathy for the Dreamers among persuadable voters. The middle of the road <PERSON> Trump supporters whose votes might be in play (not the evangelical true believers or the libertarian oligarchs) have some sympathy for those 800 thousand young people--but not that much, and certainly not enough to compete with the idea that a shutdown "hurts America". (Remember, these are people who are rather ambivalent about the whole immigration thing--they are uneasy about cultural change, the rise of a black/brown majority, economic competition . . .)<br/><br/>So, shutting down government to defend immigrants "who are not even full Americans" was not going to play well.<br/><br/>There's have been a much better chance to gain support if this had been spun, from the beginning, as being primarily about getting funding for CHIP. And some efforts to that effect were made by some smarter and more realistic strategists. But apparently these people didn't control the messaging.<br/><br/>So Democrats pretty much shot themselves in the feet, as usual. The hope is, though, that this was of short enough duration that memory of it will be overwhelmed by a million other Trumpian things before election day rolls around, and it will have not eroded a clear Democratic advantage.	591,923	[ 591963 ]	185	[ 420184, 466369, 117690, 284998, 283295, 203298, 573166, 54802, 366193, 426199, 500505, 177271, 473853, 396421, 6859, 39958, 384751, 70380, 35192, 41982, 65081, 149698, 569081, 282300, 585471, 292430, 467419, 546489, 53290, 284889, 32585, 198632, 333802, 19936, 177487, 545753, 413060, 450266, 54799, 220386, 508256, 176546, 210607, 570614, 244399, 490552, 70302, 55964, 499711, 172763, 336877, 139044, 516294, 533075, 396007, 121042, 333837, 533534, 43230, 511214, 25313, 575969, 149534, 432591, 188778, 149533, 524163, 54055, 152663, 498881, 511675, 111246, 43037, 237078, 121336, 55636, 544994, 505996, 65058, 322141, 448561, 278585, 391110, 271072, 236826, 490209, 49001, 543997, 302989, 364513, 333846, 541279, 124670, 291449, 451703, 328769, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	Usually, it's about the economy, stupid.<br/><br/>But for Democrats nowadays, it's also about immigration policy, stupid--though that is connected to voters' economic concerns.<br/><br/>Democratic strategists simply underestimate how fear of a black and brown planet among white working class voters often drives their voting decisions. These are swing voters, and they are in play; they are not lockstep libertarian diehards or evangelical Christians. <PERSON> got many more of them than <PERSON> did by appealing to those worried about cultural change that from their point of view is coming too fast and in a zero sum manner. (And, of course, the degree to which that change was symbolically represented by an African American President cannot be underestimated.)<br/><br/>Yes, the Republican/Kochtopus/Faux News establishment gleefully fans these flames to distract from its oligarchic agenda, pitting white working class voters against other working class voters. Yes, a closer analysis of the immigrant newbies indicates they take jobs "natives" can't or won't do, so the economic competition trope is suspect.<br/><br/>But immigration policy is the only area in which the Democratic party as a whole has moved left over the past decade. (There was a time not long ago that many Democrats supported tough restrictions.) And this leaves behind a number of voters who might otherwise vote Democratic.<br/><br/>Much more effort must be taken to communicate that the immigrant is not a bogeyperson, but a strength.	591,924	[ 591847, 591893 ]	223	[ 524117, 291563, 291449, 136589, 83721, 178966, 300451, 292430, 338544, 1406, 162970, 262709, 190559, 457795, 220948, 291531, 278323, 260539, 327711, 262630, 560600, 419869, 291447, 198688, 566064, 565056, 291477, 337624, 48625, 120733, 523780, 376962, 239621, 202387, 278330, 446754, 198687, 221188, 291455, 179520, 505944, 148013, 162947, 357551, 182244, 374598, 337744, 496238, 276645, 492959, 196364, 440641, 292413, 21686, 58376, 426738, 448351, 2806, 511675, 220944, 407447, 520325, 540701, 292815, 53355, 403950, 299628, 299658, 140739, 291454, 278322, 487512, 401045, 249785, 462450, 215416, 357553, 526730, 235841, 60277, 55937, 495, 434028, 545754, 570614, 247106, 316462, 291453, 198696, 239758, 468882, 524182, 401196, 524255, 311324, 53272, 130889, 398908, 540190, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	With your almost casual aside--"Americans wants to support the Dreamers, but only up to a point, that point being disruption. Republicans know this. They can feel the softness of many Americans’ moral convictions on the subject of Dreamers"--you've hit the nail on the head, Charles.<br/><br/>Immigration policy is the big sticking point not only in this situation, but in the 2016 election, and likely is going to be in 2018/20, as it's the issue that alienates white working class voters who might otherwise vote Democratic. These votes are in play--they are not libertarian die-hards or evangelicals.<br/><br/>Immigration policy is really the only issue on which the Democratic "establishment" has moved leftward over the last decade or so. It wasn't so long ago that decent numbers of elected Democrats held pretty tough/restrictive positions on the issue.<br/><br/>That working class white guy still fears that cultural change is coming too fast and is a zero sum game for him. True, his fear of a black/brown country is fanned by a <PERSON>/Koch axis trying to distract from its own oligarchic agenda.<br/><br/>But Democratic strategists overestimate, at their peril, the degree of support among voting blocs or various kinds for immigrants in general and Dreamers in particular. If, in the perception wars, the shutdown is characterized as a holdout for getting "them" benefits rather than making sure first "we" get ours "first", Democrats may dissipate all their presumed electoral 2018 advantage in a matter of days.	591,925	[ 591847, 591963, 591838 ]	223	[ 203298, 589892, 4260, 291450, 291455, 65058, 565879, 511675, 333733, 207147, 162950, 146612, 448791, 525064, 185536, 194534, 253770, 239621, 291452, 291563, 333703, 291454, 353562, 337398, 333714, 291488, 149649, 262709, 107199, 250727, 291492, 266264, 527523, 72702, 291440, 291449, 300451, 52883, 345371, 524163, 500489, 198688, 291445, 48625, 60277, 26198, 321069, 58376, 260440, 338544, 465587, 22244, 269107, 19922, 337624, 196364, 566064, 419281, 403936, 291526, 8009, 279324, 333580, 22241, 589910, 136589, 291477, 333653, 333805, 140911, 544515, 148254, 220944, 118041, 414903, 541277, 547628, 122356, 64621, 333802, 295197, 426199, 178966, 333577, 169066, 167715, 1122, 291535, 207143, 291448, 483411, 53355, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	Remember, for these oligarchs, the predictable increased death rate of the poor and other "undesirables" is the point. It's a feature, not a bug.<br/><br/>That is because all these moralists are hiding behind their true morality--whether they can articulate it or not, they are Calvinist Social Darwinists and they think they are entitled to the resources these "undesirables" are currently using.<br/><br/>Calvinism, you recall, was an austere offshoot of the Protestant Reformation that opined that one is judged worthy of Heaven--one is a member of the Elect--through evidence of God's smiling providence here on earth. In effect, if one is successful here on earth, if one is prosperous and materially blessed, obviously one has been favored by God. And if one is not prosperous/materially blessed, one is obviously NOT favored by God. The logical extension: the poor do not deserve charity or compassion, as they are not worthy of heaven anyway. If they were, they'd be rich, or so the circular thinking goes.<br/><br/>It's not hard to see how this leads to the mentality among our "Elect" of<br/>"if you're so smart, why aren't you rich"; "if you're not rich, it's your own fault---you're lazy/stupid/inferior, and why should I give up anything of mine for you", etc. And it's really easy to characterize those of a particular race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, nationality, etc., as unworthy, and deprive them of charity or resources, as they are not deserving of them.<br/><br/>Don't expect compassion from this crowd.	591,926	[ 591838 ]	15	[ 81718, 426152, 531596, 476105, 96771, 465814, 158974, 496748, 270410, 241916, 265642, 269683, 237819, 153824, 271525, 6994, 474962, 504537, 214030, 504891, 576603, 39896, 229669, 583133, 115191, 205487, 39736, 26571, 189456, 332286, 273506, 66729, 109514, 109023, 583446, 107897, 142013, 444658, 458804, 440293, 337700, 521687, 503908, 40076, 579285, 170153, 579272, 586210, 433837, 160302, 360205, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	I read the original piece, and now this one.<br/><br/>And I can't side with either party.<br/><br/>For goodness sake, we all need to grow up and take responsibility for our behavior. But that means making our behavior as unambiguous as possible, and as hard to misinterpret as possible. Not doing that is inconsiderate at best and deceptive at worst. In the descriptions in these two pieces, I think both parties can rightly be accused of having been ambiguous or deceptive at certain points.<br/><br/>And, keep in mind that while both can be misinterpreted, direct verbal communication is harder to misinterpret than body language. 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	In other words, "not one of us".<br/><br/>And the "not" can be any dimension.<br/><br/>But there is a particular virulence to racism, as humans are primarily a visual species, and "racial" characteristics are immediately and visually apprehended, while some other dimensions upon which distinctions are made--religion, class, sexuality--may take a little longer to ascertain. Although those in power may try to enforce visual distinctions that make identifying the outgroup easier (think yellow stars and pink triangles).<br/><br/>Also the reason it's easy to have sexism, and ageism. Easy to quickly discriminate the "not us".<br/><br/>The real question is how to keep this midbrain reaction from dominating our forebrain ones.	591,928	[ 591838, 591878, 591943, 591927, 591971, 591836, 591944 ]	202	[ 255560, 441159, 22453, 316501, 448358, 489922, 131075, 284741, 239175, 431463, 278818, 160944, 135432, 313100, 214491, 38163, 583856, 540255, 452943, 578958, 81372, 23935, 511645, 489921, 486681, 54993, 82526, 41722, 203649, 334594, 79055, 153721, 465738, 567410, 148366, 547929, 196201, 81152, 206398, 438013, 367216, 357320, 162999, 404557, 179751, 522406, 334723, 480948, 264083, 21883, 136657, 506028, 452524, 334676, 258933, 375683, 356097, 544672, 104758, 40027, 102183, 334715, 89271, 381358, 24055, 282739, 247800, 26948, 265135, 203982, 235669, 551582, 208157, 386547, 582634, 532955, 260207, 334724, 533397, 260124, 471500, 440470, 50218, 447196, 244218, 157048, 48619, 35577, 235771, 441610, 450555, 557457, 292401, 286783, 400528, 96919, 553951, 404633, 273623, 102178, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	You know, though, it's, amazing how much more problematic liberalism seems when the sociopolitical system around it won't exact somewhat more tax revenue from those who use its excesses to economically exploit others and recompense those who've been exploited.<br/><br/>Liberalism doesn't seem to anywhere near as atomistic and anomie producing in those nations in which there are good social safety nets, protection of the population from medical bankruptcy through universal health care, protection from technoeconomic dislocation, and so on.	591,929	null	93	[ 37984, 69047, 321209, 7459, 368108, 92815, 452036, 297822, 392954, 466295, 436545, 479607, 444269, 6094, 37877, 371276, 124634, 58139, 178744, 147891, 374972, 313161, 496072, 237748, 377182, 523621, 204660, 183060, 483061, 11944, 150874, 251095, 23053, 212131, 126787, 439095, 88284, 286873, 127761, 281780, 364217, 537537, 479046, 310616, 186666, 533235, 502339, 537701, 74584, 254906, 15619, 48642, 148095, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	As I (and others) have written before, the Republican mindset, even if its proponents can't quite articulate it, stems from a very Puritan/Calvinist worldview, and the Social Darwinism that flows from it.<br/><br/>Calvinism, you may recall, was an austere offshoot of the Protestant Reformation that opined that one is judged worthy of Heaven--one is a member of the Elect--through evidence of God's smiling providence here on earth. In effect, if one is successful here on earth, if one is prosperous and materially blessed, then obviously one has been favored by God. And if one is not prosperous/materially blessed, one is obviously NOT favored by God. The logical extension of that is the poor do not deserve charity or compassion, as they are not worthy of heaven anyway. If they were, they'd be rich, or so the circular thinking goes.<br/><br/>It's not hard to see how this leads to the mentality among our "Elect" of<br/>"if you're so smart, why aren't you rich"; "if you're not rich, it's your own fault---you're lazy/stupid/inferior, and why should I give up anything of mine for you", etc. And it's really easy to characterize those of a particular race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, nationality, etc., as unworthy, and deprive them of charity or resources, as they are not deserving of them.<br/><br/>So, this "cruelty" is precisely the point--Republican Calvinists do not want to suffer the poor to live. 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	Yup, "It's the economy stupid".<br/><br/>And it's a lot easier to feel threatened by "cultural dislocation" when you perceive those of other cultures as major economic competitors too. If you're comfortable that you're going to continue to put food on the table, get health care, and pay the mortgage, it doesn't matter as much whether your neighborhood has more brown people now than it used to.<br/><br/>But where this analysis falls short is in assuming that under such conditions a shift to a rightist populism is inevitable. A well articulated populism of the left might well be able to galvanize, too. A lot of <PERSON> supporters might well have voted for <PERSON> if he had made it to the finals; <PERSON> also addressed economic dislocation, but in terms of more government help for the dislocated, not less. (A significant fraction of <PERSON> voters voted AGAINST <PERSON>, not FOR <PERSON>, and <PERSON> also lost crucial votes to small party candidates to her political left.)<br/><br/>If people could vote for a platform that included universal health care, free college and retraining, dedicated programs and funds to help those vocationally dislocated--you know, the types of things they have in Germany, where there are also a lot of robots (and also a lot of unions), while there might still be some resentment of outsiders, it likely wouldn't rise to the level of government takeover, as it hasn't there.<br/><br/>And we likely wouldn't get a <PERSON> here.	591,931	null	93	[ 403089, 182526, 408138, 407450, 276304, 22093, 181774, 167603, 415235, 86405, 540021, 418156, 393054, 472335, 32066, 451775, 439860, 286929, 160071, 458646, 394222, 43230, 146328, 280711, 398530, 175160, 178966, 305311, 460967, 304814, 461803, 510004, 364249, 219115, 219774, 109693, 300336, 68874, 444174, 241471, 466379, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	Remember, though, it's a lot easier to tap into racist feelings--and sexist and xenophobic ones, too--when those feelings are bound up in a sense of economic competition and dislocation, as <PERSON> writes about in his piece today.<br/><br/>You may not be rich, but if you're not worried too much about affording decent health care, or putting food on the table, or making the mortgage--probably because there are "socialist" programs in place to help with these things--you probably aren't as worried if your town has more black or brown or "foreign" people than it used to. Those people might make you uncomfortable to some degree, but you're a lot less likely to go out and lynch them if you don't see them as economic competitors (and haven't been encouraged to by a vulpine television news concern)--or to support candidates that tell you to. If you did, you'd simply have much more to lose.<br/><br/>It is racism, but it's the economy, stupid.<br/><br/>(Germany has xenophobia, and, as <PERSON> points out, a lot of job displacing robots. But they also have extensive socioeconomic protections, and unions, and universal health care. And so their fringe parties and wackadoo candidates don't get to run the government, unlike here.)	591,932	null	93	[ 397507, 6004, 43230, 191299, 130200, 184323, 241471, 415254, 358574, 182526, 388997, 106973, 554058, 510004, 268282, 69889, 130300, 294098, 467812, 520108, 565883, 2104, 148627, 349719, 133964, 367102, 5844, 81822, 189456, 33213, 526531, 305311, 277401, 398951, 24664, 128291, 285678, 510003, 472314, 110461, 501939, 152842, 583986, 2757, 504611, 151098, 136128, 583445, 274821, 586375, 264031, 141983, 545906, 589585, 446185, 510013, 122730, 533790, 381161, 195332, 531979, 68874, 501160, 122492, 540039, 275409, 40654, 146802, 10263, 6144, 415235, 416876, 39311, 122504, 167721, 32896, 488812, 449157, 33089, 521468, 122508, 213634, 320383, 5542, 39996, 516423, 367093, 243999, 471434, 184033, 6114, 215563, 446222, 204669, 440567, 451337, 115803, 560596, 484997, 549775, 10029, 145548, 33034, 39922, 38384, 175960, 337362, 259648, 285308, 91527, 449712, 6339, 5917, 205970, 43042, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	"<PERSON> is ignorant, incurious, vain, gauche, bigoted, intemperate, bullying, suggestible, reckless and morally unfit for his office. But he’s not deficient in cunning".<br/><br/>Or, at least the type of cunning that enables his base to continue to characterized his opposition as hysterical snowflakes--precisely the sort of people they've always been suspicious of. And whatever else <PERSON> says or does, giving the perception that's he's with "the real Americans", and against the effete "libtards", has been enough to keep that base up to now.<br/><br/>True, it's very hard to see what words or actions would dissuade that base from supporting him, especially as <PERSON> notes, the conception of <PERSON> is such that competency had been defined down, and most are just happy when <PERSON> wakes up without drool on his face.<br/><br/>For an effective opposition, there will have to be a lot more emphasis on what the alternatives are to <PERSON>. Democrats really should be tying him to the rest of the Republican oligarchy, pointing out that he hasn't "drained the swap", hasn't represented "real Americans" interests, but just continue the sucking up of resources into the one percent maw--which, after all, <PERSON> is a card carrying member of, whatever stylistic differences there are between him and his fellow oligarchs.	591,933	null	116	[ 19128, 542009, 432371, 456616, 199081, 561226, 524192, 197960, 474918, 441045, 49478, 525738, 524268, 360762, 524035, 561145, 19228, 541776, 495231, 537465, 250925, 524267, 544261, 224621, 329365, 524017, 167477, 240416, 471667, 215274, 141964, 23556, 524032, 464791, 590855, 504546, 549465, 230502, 446419, 292504, 266018, 524041, 524044, 524195, 6181, 64351, 524269, 189462, 84333, 559838, 541740, 468422, 137817, 50820, 524103, 422018, 412532, 273605, 524260, 499142, 376101, 304803, 245298, 40088, 495354, 436139, 392279, 440270, 4226, 338865, 81817, 451737, 6321, 319888, 508924, 473994, 524275, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	<PERSON> is undoubtedly sly in one important respect.<br/><br/>He knows, that with the American public in general, and with his undereducated and superficial base in particular, it's all about appearances--the theatrics, the visuals.<br/><br/>He knew this on the Apprentice, and he knows it now, even if he knows little else. He knows that looking interested and engaged during a televised meeting is guaranteed to raise his approval ratings 5 points, even if that's only in contrast to his behavior at other times. (We HAVE gotten used to a very low bar for <PERSON> competence--gratified if he's simply not drooling on his shirt front.)<br/><br/>Of course, looking engaged doesn't mean being engaged, or remembering what you were supposed to be engaged about. As <PERSON> implies, <PERSON> may well have had the McDonald's theme playing in his head through all of this.<br/><br/>The bigger problem is getting that two-fifths of the country that thinks this televised meeting represents competency and sagacity to realize it's an act, a performance for the cameras. But that's a much heavier lift.	591,934	[ 591838 ]	25	[ 307275, 350101, 402835, 567043, 589129, 237346, 488019, 317000, 543758, 42066, 271943, 446788, 329398, 503540, 130412, 249678, 521715, 317001, 550711, 100245, 452565, 20653, 547567, 280184, 210901, 524036, 550969, 278144, 359586, 578795, 214840, 580738, 38788, 103023, 424742, 506082, 393035, 150221, 525358, 153186, 329206, 272622, 245109, 52740, 87860, 537204, 113671, 575637, 152234, 412393, 412631, 24543, 327586, 292657, 210450, 133593, 548364, 22493, 211102, 142284, 240515, 241545, 248660, 218726, 372679, 34543, 199534, 552024, 405730, 373869, 151572, 476966, 553685, 138735, 211552, 171042, 118909, 495354, 211136, 83163, 366850, 495347, 402212, 378672, 348325, 281174, 495352, 495759, 202678, 24329, 329330, 371806, 560748, 50121, 40410, 218288, 313488, 238201, 146981, 559123, 111728, 567146, 50088, 525361, 559987, 357717, 291493, 436698, 578847, 395772, 541699, 189444, 23556, 140351, 150878, 414299, 549038, 541819, 583663, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	This is one of the few <PERSON> columns in which I think the analytic base is well grounded; I too have mused on these particular American aspects of self-improving spirituality, though my bias grounds it more in Calvinism and its emphasis on individual economic striving.<br/><br/>My money, though, says <PERSON> doesn't run. She'd have to give UP a lot of power to become President (as well as a lot of sources of wealth).<br/><br/>But I do see her as an anointer and fundraiser "behind the scenes". And my speculation is that she will support a non-white candidate--<PERSON> or <PERSON>, or perhaps someone not currently on the horizon.	591,935	[ 591838 ]	19	[ 120793, 272966, 291098, 145514, 580785, 93608, 503994, 293312, 557682, 398811, 500654, 215916, 551226, 525707, 582538, 59466, 239397, 585287, 329739, 71597, 215664, 115776, 462442, 354238, 584665, 47512, 77987, 62868, 32193, 125528, 459761, 146640, 232003, 243595, 130746, 416857, 562504, 40713, 379412, 322152, 249481, 467523, 118909, 576761, 167075, 211325, 296456, 517179, 279526, 325274, 587232, 445586, 5309, 252639, 279748, 35232, 577325, 359804, 21743, 21615, 136976, 212354, 151497, 163005, 406185, 377831, 89971, 546488, 569353, 122207, 80737, 107771, 215953, 25916, 162971, 75487, 583043, 329735, 9181, 160549, 589115, 347814, 415977, 150179, 521298, 457352, 343291, 339992, 150218, 288834, 61355, 26059, 215596, 298986, 501607, 352222, 2320, 89972, 545188, 232277, 401107, 349990, 54834, 506773, 280227, 327774, 28375, 524279, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	As I've said in a number of other venues, in the end, I don't think <PERSON> would run.<br/><br/>Some of the reasons why not <PERSON> describes here well, but I also think <PERSON> would have to give UP too much power--and too many revenue streams--to be President.<br/><br/>But I do think she will have a prominent fundraising role in the Democratic contest in 2020, and will likely put here support behind one of the candidates--my supposition being a younger candidate of color, perhaps <PERSON>, <PERSON>, or someone not even on the radar yet.<br/><br/>And, one thing she can help with quite a bit, given her Golden Globes Speech--she can keep reminding everyone that Republicans are not supportive of the aspirations of those who are non-white, non-heterosexual, and non-male. There are already movements (i.e., #MeTOO) that, I think, won't result in 53 percent of white women voting for a Republican again in 2020, and <PERSON> can have a lot to do with keeping attention to those.	591,936	[ 591865, 591937, 591831, 591885, 591875 ]	19	[ 419308, 8638, 18220, 239600, 116722, 159981, 533370, 545188, 173069, 22458, 532213, 550154, 204772, 66784, 380133, 459761, 130484, 250559, 295192, 431751, 19081, 277156, 433241, 28945, 21912, 310968, 120793, 171934, 21933, 18207, 107125, 7091, 517179, 421474, 25254, 58356, 26306, 421449, 55625, 362875, 519109, 277346, 8104, 65435, 416857, 399532, 447034, 194592, 21615, 325152, 352167, 352898, 585287, 392994, 295218, 150179, 188824, 146328, 295211, 461500, 449910, 410497, 26439, 407416, 28353, 65056, 322027, 400930, 147829, 126733, 229354, 431733, 243528, 428020, 322182, 263392, 198668, 325154, 102372, 22057, 242958, 339818, 407537, 351431, 346959, 532191, 50100, 107068, 165017, 44019, 22860, 400511, 72320, 11851, 145514, 64192, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	Generally, it's the economy, stupid.<br/><br/>That's what tends to determine the general direction of votes.<br/><br/>Except, perhaps for 2016. Or was that the exception that proved the rule?<br/><br/>It can be argued that while the economy in 2016 had been in a long recovery, it was a sluggish and very uneven recovery, with the majority of wage earners having not seen things getting better, and for many, arguably worse. So the incumbent President's party "lost" despite the low quality of the opposition candidate.<br/><br/>The real question is what <PERSON> and <PERSON> think the economy is doing right around November 2018. If they think it's doing ok--and we do seem to be finally getting some wage growth--it's unlikely the Democrats take a house of Congress, even with the motivating presence of <PERSON>. Make no mistake--the Republican tax bill, while very much a giveaway to the oligarchs, is also designed to dump a few dollars the way of the <PERSON> until at least after the 2020 elections. That may distract the <PERSON> enough to vote for the status quo, if they vote at all.<br/><br/>If, on the other hand, the Sixpacks notice they are still very much underemployed, and/or their health care expenses have ballooned even faster, or there is some sort of shock that throws a lot of them out of work or cuts their hours--then there might be a wave election in the works.<br/><br/>As mentioned here, it's a lot easier to predict the weather than the economy. But for 2018, the latter matters.	591,937	[ 591937, 591893, 591847, 591842, 591952, 591860, 591838, 591951, 591871, 591963, 591918, 591962, 591884, 591955 ]	71	[ 551861, 54639, 174611, 48702, 54421, 451132, 136626, 398676, 459915, 135414, 58284, 516286, 333342, 582888, 198573, 133571, 539912, 51654, 283295, 147953, 141856, 44773, 22221, 228901, 273052, 523472, 191242, 48747, 149727, 54365, 240844, 443493, 33084, 284919, 44140, 86026, 496776, 177039, 321390, 65475, 566229, 74840, 448757, 134789, 37708, 149571, 15897, 580762, 585799, 141863, 581378, 28983, 447032, 88294, 382849, 530631, 198613, 477313, 74817, 235382, 278319, 539234, 303718, 285068, 436107, 353690, 472062, 276313, 64219, 378718, 452671, 284937, 224338, 533075, 393007, 39712, 558365, 411838, 400214, 39931, 558701, 148538, 292138, 85932, 245905, 451421, 284902, 431688, 409953, 304641, 285274, 322198, 34193, 72888, 180547, 218672, 336894, 81770, 55680, 291298, 552632, 52397, 464396, 327806, 273979, 566225, 65036, 178966, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	A lot of false equivalence here--again.<br/><br/>I too devoutly wish that we could "restore the distinction between excellence and mediocrity, truth and a lie". But to claim that the worried screeds of anti-Trump writers is in any way comparable to the <PERSON>/<PERSON>/<PERSON>-inspired conservative Republican lowbrowism is to think there is no difference between a lizard and a lemur because they're both vertebrate quadrupeds; it's mistaking the broad category for the details.<br/><br/>I don't see anything like the climate denial, tax policy denial, racism/sexism/xenophobia among non-Trump supporters that one can easily see from his supporters. Yes, the politically progressive can be humorless and due to that easy to satirize, but at least that earnestness starts from some passing acquaintance with reality, and doesn't take as a starting point "I me mine only--you, who cares".<br/><br/>Just because there are two sides doesn't mean there are two equal sides. The "genuine experts" do seem to preponderate in one camp, and the lowbrows in the other. (There are excellent conservative thinkers with good ideas--but they are notable by their rarity.)<br/><br/>And, considered in that vein, anti-Trumpers don't look so hysterical at all.	591,938	[ 591937 ]	47	[ 458844, 591204, 42821, 182924, 406105, 196031, 588806, 322244, 524260, 510007, 395718, 146497, 228688, 528767, 41666, 540128, 499578, 349597, 167489, 158327, 354801, 452903, 55092, 362984, 474881, 67061, 183355, 31460, 170126, 22170, 326786, 322144, 577420, 551016, 140858, 134522, 496190, 564919, 322142, 580306, 102157, 382358, 409418, 344128, 368785, 307547, 24976, 402697, 42056, 588907, 131956, 132160, 368743, 71845, 216049, 402885, 322151, 347794, 277156, 483609, 402641, 11147, 5204, 16020, 188765, 40101, 47330, 351964, 158431, 561625, 561114, 551425, 322083, 198592, 286919, 69768, 414590, 185574, 81394, 352042, 149299, 18350, 546999, 391710, 181159, 139969, 541625, 489802, 322126, 384516, 403772, 322186, 54771, 81582, 336336, 266971, 475044, 351254, 242479, 542320, 246007, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	Even if <PERSON> is a "genius"--and it certainly can be argued that getting himself elected President with all of his flaws and absurdity at least indicates some degree of sly craftiness in fleecing large segments of the populace--if we've learned one thing from popular culture is that many, perhaps most, geniuses are evil, and they need to be confronted and fought against.<br/><br/>I'm not saying we should expect the Green Lantern Corps to show up and set things aright, but we all have a responsibility to confront evil however we can.<br/>For many of us, that starts with something very simple--register to vote, and then go do it. Every time, every election.<br/><br/>Without good turnout, nothing turns out good.	591,939	null	152	[ 397081, 216694, 21845, 299423, 167033, 121076, 353412, 171640, 202716, 379244, 444240, 19155, 261261, 106222, 38201, 376856, 147947, 84626, 344058, 442129, 147546, 140379, 516084, 180735, 148877, 194217, 504611, 378777, 458824, 532548, 22615, 209528, 453699, 321076, 418200, 319500, 562845, 531473, 105143, 114770, 273488, 189869, 334581, 151908, 40685, 245850, 375693, 524788, 586155, 194218, 365782, 75506, 373234, 106537, 580849, 535368, 391829, 315769, 136126, 26256, 381471, 546999, 141424, 547535, 509477, 543717, 558707, 321133, 197896, 581376, 5357, 298637, 539824, 202720, 93529, 205092, 90882, 219185, 130082, 22536, 544900, 37796, 188761, 285363, 390136, 230214, 349998, 301598, 495254, 489877, 265300, 56809, 473892, 322093, 185614, 202615, 64523, 460994, 198606, 130076, 448771, 462783, 36067, 31574, 413145, 70076, 558643, 390410, 334801, 416499, 92713, 249643, 65710, 21898, 298498, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	The problem with the Internet in the political realm, ultimately, is one of curation and credibility.<br/><br/>The great strength of the medium as regards democracy is that it allows all the chance to express any viewpoint. Of course, the flipside is that the medium allows all the chance to express any viewpoint--there's no filter or initial editorial evaluation. Nobody on the Internet knows if you are an expert on the subject you are discussing, or if, in the words and images of the famous New Yorker cartoon, you're a dog.<br/><br/>The medium can certainly be commended with breaking down barriers, but it should be recognized that barriers can sometimes be used for good purposes, like keeping out the sewage.<br/><br/>The medium is very young, though, and will likely have to go through the same growing pains many others did before a modicum of judgment becomes commonplace. With the quickened pace of events, though, it remains to be seen if this will happen before some worldwide disaster makes the whole thing moot.	591,940	[ 591847 ]	153	[ 214433, 84757, 504085, 570231, 432269, 496702, 470992, 34502, 438408, 102578, 166189, 349573, 227344, 462837, 226832, 65402, 429527, 580369, 253583, 61220, 139609, 101802, 418994, 436170, 69209, 570732, 372106, 434259, 203532, 279455, 571557, 62584, 373575, 497337, 189014, 447796, 368847, 384767, 191211, 126969, 381864, 433243, 256295, 193378, 512572, 586135, 478865, 172229, 468347, 417545, 190961, 347003, 581372, 581408, 149127, 284356, 64856, 115472, 210904, 206593, 487260, 346168, 236833, 244409, 89269, 357791, 402230, 582552, 118977, 208346, 529584, 102236, 224933, 222477, 398823, 35108, 34282, 83531, 257904, 41215, 383864, 171201, 244995, 104192, 39922, 153888, 489612, 215861, 575438, 461390, 341554, 466308, 55235, 317091, 406982, 40669, 475043, 28303, 87305, 583849, 125012, 438331, 207942, 202586, 191044, 502396, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	"The only possible way that the rubes who vote Republican will wake up is to let them run the country into the ditch. Again."<br/><br/>But how many of the rubes can recognize the ditch when they fall into it?<br/><br/>For far too long now, Republicans have been winning elections by accurately gauging the intelligence of a large swath of the 'Murican populace. They're quite aware that far too many people can't handle a deductive chain of reasoning or understand complex socioeconomic arguments, but such people can handle simple soundbite appeals to pride, God, guns, and the demonization of the other.<br/><br/>The question is really how bad do things have to get before the low information voter--and the low information non-voter--can't engage in simplistic denial anymore?<br/><br/>I suspect for those people things will have to get a lot worse before their brains crack and let in some light. Probably Great Depression, no food on the table, no money coming in level worse. And even then they'll still be susceptible to appeals that it's all the tax, spend, and give away freebies to the undeserving Democrats fault.<br/><br/>As the saying goes, you can't fix stupid.<br/><br/>If we can't at least mitigate the power of stupid, though, the nation has no future.	591,941	null	80	[ 240766, 48632, 298419, 148343, 324521, 240844, 321501, 121048, 479864, 490662, 495671, 529317, 413166, 449498, 202373, 404571, 265337, 392639, 470159, 549214, 289903, 77461, 113710, 332621, 242394, 460930, 415254, 149538, 66722, 150043, 260779, 408189, 547870, 89246, 39674, 273075, 553816, 224317, 518155, 268582, 148305, 211143, 392127, 329899, 304522, 80691, 148169, 285363, 496768, 7179, 54688, 297094, 573100, 575672, 328461, 219786, 282665, 364546, 467163, 481222, 567980, 473791, 583778, 316486, 333754, 130082, 510910, 419249, 139929, 5867, 256403, 363450, 404473, 9331, 37889, 496489, 304339, 211018, 322165, 332613, 260649, 183098, 54610, 80091, 148234, 211193, 6114, 149662, 49379, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	<PERSON> may have a point here, as far as it goes--it's very hard to know what to do when the traditional yardsticks and measuring posts, formerly provided to a great extent by religion, are no longer widely agreed upon.<br/><br/>It's true that in an unmoored situation of that kind, thinking, reflective people have trouble knowing if they are being moral enough. I would submit, though, that this is a problem of the thinking, reflective, chattering classes--and membership in those is small. The overwhelming majority has no uncertainty about what is right and wrong, whether these conceptions come from religion or somewhere else, such as the sociopolitical doctrine of capitalism (which, of course, has underpinnings in Calvinism and the recognition of the elect). And then behavioral and policy decisions that stem from conceptions of who is deserving and who is not, which leads to cacophonous moral debates. Moreover, when the only way to gain status and resources is to be thought of as deserving, victimhood looks attractive.<br/><br/>The only way out of this I can see is to start from a different set of assumptions, mostly that all humans are equally "deserving". It's a measure of how bound we still are to religious conceptions of human worth--even if they have been divorced in secular nations from any particular set of worship rituals and creeds--that this is still much too wide a bridge for most to cross.	591,942	null	247	[ 39817, 48955, 544042, 96919, 550107, 227291, 489810, 511207, 343922, 483041, 465383, 489731, 120176, 422372, 122044, 225192, 361628, 235771, 394676, 447198, 41902, 489912, 419234, 467882, 531522, 191176, 546733, 109265, 546296, 422184, 339486, 493260, 223262, 469487, 574162, 132437, 252626, 294213, 462173, 103580, 425467, 429631, 137140, 130704, 498651, 334496, 49000, 220309, 151871, 355474, 83276, 464725, 5137, 117861, 548656, 426152, 312890, 399680, 211843, 109385, 415480, 397096, 578927, 35209, 101431, 81426, 146449, 344670, 489961, 288852, 140891, 509594, 576722, 122197, 564279, 231827, 347748, 520986, 482343, 586585, 533873, 587293, 542104, 259746, 511971, 489730, 106383, 92724, 270409, 453882, 28918, 106199, 381048, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	With apologies (and credit) to <PERSON>, <PERSON> is simply a Boy Anachronism, a man-child whose lifeview and behavior come from a time long past, a time in which a Rat Pack Sinatrian/Cohnian ethos prevailed, details were irrelevant, and men were men (and women were nervous).<br/><br/>Surrounded by lawyers and other sycophants, <PERSON> never noticed the world had changed (although that Twitter sure is convenient), and it certainly never would have occurred to him that he might want to change and grow along with it.<br/><br/>And, of course, he got elected because a significant portion of the American public is stuck, socially and economically, back in the 1950's too.	591,943	[ 591847 ]	61	[ 135777, 488494, 541831, 449125, 153904, 170792, 135387, 92391, 547442, 204364, 150968, 211587, 485103, 498726, 314030, 93093, 564136, 383930, 261233, 123885, 212512, 109804, 252663, 264602, 356735, 451667, 468352, 151302, 65439, 510397, 155311, 474126, 500127, 248066, 389082, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	Now that the legislative effort to dismantle the Affordable Care Act had gone down to ignominious defeat, at least temporarily, I am much more worried about how this current administration, with egging on from so-called "conservative experts", might try to undermine it by not enforcing its provisions through the executive branch, instead.<br/><br/>For instance, the recent decision to not enforce the individual mandate through IRS penalty collection on tax returns is a deliberate effort to undermine the broadening of the health insurance base that is essential for the Act to work properly. And I'm sure there are other efforts to weaken it on the nuts-and-bolts level.<br/><br/>As implied here, the biggest problem with the ACA is not that it is failing now, but that forces are aligned not only against improving it, but for actively undermining it. And now those forces may have more cover than a Congressional battle would have allowed.<br/><br/>And, people interested in supporting the ACA really have to start with counteracting the messaging that has kept support for it far less than optimal. Too many studies have come out that people like the provisions of the ACA, but they despise "Obamacare", and often don't realize they are one and the same. Democrats/progressives really have GOT to learn how to counter reactionary narratives.	591,944	null	33	[ 497001, 357916, 279012, 557352, 218215, 188842, 287077, 78057, 252147, 573444, 539124, 268971, 175960, 349957, 269830, 367129, 338627, 44090, 138841, 351460, 497019, 147419, 288620, 199824, 103006, 566228, 591170, 132548, 176837, 543448, 309684, 496000, 475856, 21132, 276267, 424425, 160545, 384662, 476197, 39745, 481192, 183890, 149250, 206650, 129721, 539118, 241627, 349705, 380480, 39833, 17842, 142752, 253133, 103375, 510487, 459870, 574614, 207161, 462756, 60194, 276265, 141838, 438902, 543750, 33216, 169492, 369861, 367669, 436453, 456218, 43408, 200632, 129652, 564930, 210842, 459078, 107000, 6832, 281675, 346102, 448219, 140181, 269356, 456219, 566221, 299467, 55562, 549653, 20030, 165405, 417708, 141925, 566224, 341339, 415236, 180057, 449762, 382042, 168154, 467820, 409017, 438892, 478717, 318647, 137466, 227966, 166721, 351597, 15396, 539539, 4697, 6026, 380478, 351459, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	It's really quite simple in the end.<br/><br/>Today's Republican party equals "I me mine; you, go away and die".<br/><br/>And this attitude is not limited to health care issues. The party has been completely subsumed by the <PERSON>, social Darwinist, Calvinist moralists that used to make up only its fringe. Just think about what signing on to a pledge to never raise taxes (which most Republican officials have) really means, philosophically: there is no legitimate purpose for raising government revenue, or, in truth, for government at all. There is no reason to help ANYBODY that might not be able to help themselves. Let us all compete, red in tooth and claw, in all spheres, and devil take the hindmost (and most of the middle). Compassion might get in the way of natural selection. (Given that their behavior and philosophy is so in keeping with originalist Darwinism, it's funny how so many Republicans are science deniers. But I digress.)<br/><br/>Yeah, I'm an old lefty, who believes the government should help the people do what they would have trouble doing for themselves, like getting reasonable health care in a market that doesn't follow the openness rules of <PERSON>. But the lack of compassion, the outright Scroogian cruelty, of the modern Republican politician is stunning. 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	I believe, in this 21st century milieu, you may be asking for far too much, Mr. Friedman.<br/><br/>In the modern cynicism, power talks, honor walks. You are asking a batch of highly ambitious men to look into the mirror, see the Masters of the Universe they've always wanted to be, and fight against that for an abstract greater, common good. For most of these types, there is no common good--there is only me and how much I can wrest from this tough dog-eat-dog world.<br/><br/>High level, political "public service" generally does not attract those who are interested in public or service (with perhaps a few notable exceptions), but those who are interested in leveraging their positions into lucre and influence. It was always thus; <PERSON> and his minions have just dispensed with the lip service others felt compelled to pay to the nobler aspects of the mission.<br/><br/>Those doing true public service tend to toil in somewhat quieter and often far less well compensated environs, relatively unconcerned with how much personal credit accrues to them. There are such people who inhabit our agencies, but now they are being tarred with the label "deep state" and accused of throwing sand in the gears of aggrandizers' agendae.<br/><br/>The Trumpites' behaviors are far more likely to be curbed by revelations from the press or private citizens than from people in positions of public power. And perhaps they will be helped along a little by information thoughtfully left discoverable by the deep state public servants.	591,946	null	165	[ 298103, 381943, 203807, 282281, 435557, 204726, 102731, 582269, 387971, 99013, 19246, 364685, 260133, 337746, 22027, 352369, 107869, 533444, 278731, 84265, 262712, 492380, 231342, 275829, 584132, 243484, 191218, 127259, 398514, 26855, 393243, 537333, 522130, 364958, 283679, 196752, 157363, 432049, 429994, 41584, 542932, 174604, 127232, 365805, 367100, 40530, 50570, 515264, 261979, 125807, 415206, 586422, 286857, 523318, 286154, 293665, 260263, 398625, 85121, 370941, 247539, 106925, 499547, 341218, 23167, 370956, 522822, 307907, 337748, 268389, 499810, 111100, 558687, 124667, 33594, 40824, 50207, 148860, 291414, 328727, 139180, 228265, 264443, 252599, 394220, 13155, 402640, 579862, 381908, 365813, 459839, 414164, 68991, 106614, 295968, 269876, 451542, 448801, 333904, 1266, 163350, 372319, 276177, 43571, 511395, 248926, 430591, 549494, 207651, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	"What we have here, boys, is a tool. All just depends on how are you usin' it".<br/><br/>Yup, those little flashing pixels are hard to resist--they give you that dopamine shot that our biochemistry loves.<br/><br/>But we do have cerebral cortices, and we do have the capacity to decide just how many of those shots we want. It DOES come down to personal choice--and often, restraint. <br/><br/>I'm not saying that we might not need a little help from regulators in exercising this restraint, as we do with any addictive substance. But we'd all do well to remember that it is a choice to take that first hit, or the next one.	591,947	[ 591861, 591927, 591966, 591926, 591928, 591970 ]	161	[ 229512, 416873, 148154, 80833, 146496, 364881, 130761, 521848, 474135, 121074, 402420, 111798, 88475, 251476, 244163, 151908, 4180, 320835, 321075, 6144, 53440, 494992, 539864, 65343, 268498, 69507, 477460, 214616, 246634, 321071, 317991, 323990, 467470, 242387, 106774, 118267, 151878, 565079, 522510, 20799, 112070, 190650, 464215, 27591, 153128, 325160, 155185, 205096, 477485, 140400, 384557, 258749, 149621, 5163, 415226, 476739, 344267, 528981, 492363, 284919, 550107, 136598, 40067, 160443, 482213, 586487, 81770, 273501, 574786, 557227, 355343, 80621, 550110, 81535, 299306, 190633, 205498, 496504, 345145, 452502, 470178, 190702, 353962, 269490, 447380, 433689, 140805, 551560, 333692, 149719, 461839, 243662, 151807, 319109, 458711, 386450, 406195, 224248, 206649, 417616, 315762, 143332, 268408, 242282, 322708, 273524, 189855, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	"I am quite torn. In a way, I want it to pass exactly as is, because it will be a disaster that Republicans will own."<br/><br/>I know more than a few people who share <PERSON> sentiment, as they believe it will lead to a mass movement to throw the Repugnican bums out, and eventually possible lead to a populace and Congress that would look favorably upon enacting single payer, or at least the ability to buy into a public option.<br/><br/>I do not share this belief.<br/><br/>Yes, many will suffer if this bill becomes law--and many of those who will suffer worst are those who voted for <PERSON> and for conservative Republican representatives, both at the Congressional and local levels. But I doubt that will then make them abandon said representatives and vote for saner Democrats. The propaganda machine has done its work too well. People will die prematurely, and with their last breaths will blame Obamacare and Democrats who, they've been told, want to tax them and give the cash to THOSE PEOPLE--never understanding for a second that THEY are THOSE PEOPLE.<br/><br/>Before any reasonable health system comes to pass, there will have to be a massive countereducation effort in the US, one that doesn't hold up the right to unlimited profit as the sacrosanct American value. No way are gerrymandered office holders going to allow that (see: public education funding).<br/><br/>As the saying goes, you can't fix stupid. Unless we find some way to, Republicans ain't gonna own no health care disaster no way no how.	591,948	null	240	[ 524231, 50213, 218697, 180052, 352245, 195344, 287700, 72778, 398857, 55138, 298258, 26101, 193556, 402122, 152044, 402205, 523669, 243859, 89729, 464915, 443493, 451727, 217611, 451714, 565033, 542548, 451754, 294357, 181508, 524232, 448628, 402092, 247870, 121072, 55157, 451627, 524247, 162791, 575264, 262723, 300662, 451543, 524296, 520320, 350514, 260513, 448662, 575657, 477143, 48632, 228640, 153073, 590092, 212618, 396906, 460972, 272696, 321501, 1025, 516276, 218646, 379779, 524152, 187394, 140208, 476432, 224356, 50463, 68894, 7502, 20020, 529140, 433386, 81404, 240755, 475960, 591749, 241605, 337577, 582874, 226387, 530513, 234096, 341482, 259839, 172307, 288296, 374345, 330610, 231860, 511848, 266620, 402129, 475029, 257824, 378596, 147729, 584925, 481215, 550169, 4697, 475607, 524174, 285097, 238616, 220807, 5456, 54335, 408210, 245508, 262715, 157036, 347319, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	Yeah, the tax cut is a scam.<br/><br/>But Republicans seem to have the American public figured out better than the Democrats do; they know that the average person will see a little bit more in the paycheck for the first year or so, and so, when the midterm elections come around, said average person is likely to say "Hey, the Republicans cut my taxes" and therefore vote Republican in the hope of a continuation.<br/><br/>The ability to examine the legislation, to notice the tax cuts for the lower levels disappearing down the road, to see how taxes will actually rise for a lot of those levels, to note how the current cuts are connected to a diminishing of government services and deteriorating infrastructure, to realize eventually that Republicans will claim that this is due to huge entitlement programs that we cannot afford and which must be cut, so that more lucre flows to oligarch coffers--all of this is beyond the ability of most of those average people, whose future orientation extends to the next week, if that much. And Republicans seem to understand the psychology of these average people, while Democrats optimistically think that detailed and wonky explanations of all this will trump (pun intended) an extra few beer bucks today.<br/><br/>And this in no small part explains continued Republican dominance of the government. Sure, media can be blamed for false equivalences in reporting, but we have to examine how the people got so anti-intellectual and gullible in the first place.	591,949	[ 591847, 591838 ]	191	[ 253838, 464788, 502817, 509729, 196102, 198872, 402122, 117720, 41319, 147909, 216173, 358561, 566534, 116214, 23714, 554046, 495179, 124636, 455566, 136433, 5399, 448161, 448665, 247863, 200677, 441962, 200557, 485100, 49817, 425780, 22384, 266929, 359666, 195480, 448663, 5312, 464940, 71706, 99768, 148622, 531695, 62650, 148437, 92929, 200729, 254647, 406320, 321367, 402801, 147950, 148645, 372711, 359712, 409083, 180127, 546243, 480508, 518533, 498440, 136413, 1382, 148317, 247335, 523164, 542128, 273615, 265018, 446165, 233014, 42991, 148343, 489279, 580812, 148661, 147894, 488583, 337870, 345161, 277213, 282804, 302042, 193556, 124681, 413525, 300287, 273422, 448634, 200709, 298516, 36874, 46784, 142030, 127111, 492967, 94165, 363712, 531504, 431740, 98042, 436202, 419451, 468272, 359690, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	I don't know, <PERSON>--if you think that progressives are winning the culture war, I think you've been spending too much time among the chattering classes in Manhattan, and too little time in South Carolina. Or for that matter, too little time in the closer Staten Island.<br/><br/>The culture wars are really only fought at the borders; most of the country is safely ensconced behind the lines, be it a conservative line or a liberal one, though there are certainly members of both sides who feel "trapped" behind the "wrong" line.<br/><br/>The bottom line remains, however. Those in the conservative camp fundamentally start from the premise that certain groups of human beings should be denied rights and privileges that conservatives themselves blithely claim. Whether that's for reasons of race, religion, gender, sexual preference, bank account size, or whatever, it's hard to claim an equal argument footing when that's the opening statement.	591,950	null	242	[ 217331, 126813, 489894, 54589, 118995, 198126, 198819, 542911, 7107, 149182, 569077, 54508, 6732, 462127, 175513, 566427, 453562, 579294, 465354, 546509, 308620, 232061, 446629, 66306, 411528, 7356, 201088, 419733, 451915, 306106, 191358, 444642, 322034, 411621, 268633, 319971, 182537, 504386, 431777, 565001, 8646, 64274, 214282, 322166, 131321, 431675, 41508, 413583, 544591, 578638, 140926, 22939, 114443, 337390, 68926, 119539, 127687, 362231, 218320, 44804, 202387, 102391, 401521, 142551, 54411, 102372, 109018, 532817, 407961, 492331, 189292, 174869, 399985, 536984, 126814, 1339, 591766, 139041, 399334, 568801, 202576, 196031, 369011, 98900, 53033, 19922, 255378, 304461, 28302, 474960, 537166, 419904, 221776, 362865, 177570, 272158, 378704, 369067, 579673, 172006, 67048, 311534, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	You begin to wonder if in the end, we're going to find out that there were Russian fingers in every pie imaginable.<br/><br/>There's some evidence of Russian attempts to influence the NRA's lobbying tactics. There's the known influence of Russian trolls and bots on social media. And now this.<br/><br/>It's not too much of a surprise to imagine that a country that is deeply insecure, with a leader that needs to keep up the image of strength and competence, would use every possible way available to keep its main and stronger advocacy on the defensive. But it certainly is beginning to look like the plot is so complex and Byzantine (reference intended) that not even the wackiest Hollywood screenwriters could have thought it up.	591,951	[ 591970, 591901, 591865, 591875, 591840, 591866, 591951, 591886, 591904, 591848, 591968 ]	0	[ 437425, 434257, 445508, 292439, 340621, 127058, 18823, 31929, 303316, 6568, 556640, 22256, 303099, 352681, 550793, 572490, 456678, 274951, 541354, 469472, 136833, 254865, 306401, 445944, 44638, 152194, 44637, 146749, 26559, 13701, 536037, 584410, 22049, 72088, 256164, 564460, 558360, 404717, 228067, 67331, 22077, 238612, 486375, 116234, 589924, 571441, 70998, 549216, 18776, 560074, 56522, 546256, 155501, 127089, 188715, 560935, 190593, 48730, 18822, 412336, 270365, 274214, 336087, 100616, 80784, 557260, 500527, 37261, 205633, 18869, 397235, 150227, 381684, 303140, 205492, 87860, 539506, 493319, 366858, 138535, 463331, 154391, 336345, 585145, 170988, 80894, 503567, 126906, 362430, 80898, 37203, 369687, 54887, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	This essay contains beautiful language and lofty sentiments. Too beautiful and too lofty by half.<br/><br/>The sad truth is, nationalism has generally been tribalism writ somewhat larger, in those geographic areas in which it was possible to unite a group around shared ethnicity, religion, language. The original nation states, as compared to empires, were pretty small geographically; they had to be in order to cohere for any length of time. (And empires always fragmented eventually.)<br/><br/>The attempt to make large, modern nation states keeps running up against the very different ideas that the different groups subsumed within them have about what life is and how it should be pursued. The more diverse ethnically, religiously, or linguistically a nation tends to be, the more unstable it tends to be. And for those who argue the United States has done pretty well with all its diversity, be reminded the nation is only two hundred forty years old or so, almost split apart once, and seems on its way to doing that again.<br/><br/>It may be that we, as humans, have not evolved to the point yet at which our foremost allegiance is to each other, to our fellow humans and to the planet we all live on. When that happens, we won't need nation states; we may be able to organize on both larger and smaller levels based on which model's most efficient to accomplish particular tasks. But it'll be a while before we get to the United Federation of Planets, if we do before environmental disaster.	591,952	null	45	[ 314847, 40061, 469624, 40060, 314819, 2794, 314868, 86888, 107966, 40119, 314781, 314836, 341292, 366141, 314859, 314876, 367198, 314775, 283613, 314796, 314840, 474107, 314779, 115076, 314778, 4528, 149183, 399703, 314802, 347291, 448773, 149665, 377386, 406352, 43448, 321439, 333738, 314801, 15585, 196487, 378137, 314790, 44177, 273301, 558369, 533821, 276274, 230420, 40068, 368593, 350652, 451263, 21865, 373014, 30446, 49429, 452524, 237257, 451029, 534061, 367638, 85864, 181005, 399627, 514354, 463922, 381471, 65152, 544313, 483352, 446018, 377311, 334767, 295505, 347263, 37805, 95738, 40118, 53088, 314880, 387400, 130787, 40059, 275557, 522184, 314898, 524031, 524104, 314881, 511645, 156922, 390213, 80847, 559712, 349445, 207900, 161019, 583856, 423343, 334671, 364912, 322735, 337395, 210132, 41469, 35310, 408430, 219142, 103964, 524091, 262701, 334496, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	I hope the teachers get everything they are asking for. And then some.<br/><br/>The pendulum has swung much too far in the direction of plutocrats, including the ones who are in government positions. Those who aren't slumming oligarchs themselves are in the pockets of said oligarchs and are only looking to enhance their own bottom lines and could care less about the state and the people as a whole. Their protestations that giving teachers a raise would increase taxes of break the budget ring hollow when none of them feel like tightening their belts even a notch.<br/><br/>It's about time labor took back some power, whether it's labor "organized" through unionization or in some other manner. I hope teachers in Oklahoma and Kentucky--and a lot of other overworked low-wage voters-- are watching and emulating.	591,953	[ 591918 ]	35	[ 75834, 585974, 356458, 447563, 372602, 569144, 395710, 142136, 157687, 583732, 270519, 112715, 421720, 141137, 70698, 584082, 148838, 261091, 306284, 583717, 109611, 584164, 232220, 284996, 800, 286864, 235413, 94556, 219824, 392991, 272834, 290984, 248143, 354387, 379086, 510501, 465869, 395773, 131332, 142138, 255198, 452335, 131946, 506761, 449119, 387405, 537758, 480183, 88226, 67062, 464948, 110461, 392787, 284776, 392928, 26441, 14671, 534846, 198742, 258590, 506141, 198972, 589928, 142893, 550105, 376568, 195180, 312010, 26436, 43230, 453364, 4493, 126350, 528036, 439122, 454549, 136457, 451132, 91695, 35830, 566909, 261237, 352243, 121008, 544412, 139055, 510115, 109730, 107762, 130957, 435949, 188642, 318378, 431257, 29721, 238531, 28984, 177710, 46800, 205472, 115896, 430774, 582604, 50091, 585631, 452826, 191244, 57584, 350284, 447584, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	So, <PERSON>, remember <PERSON> characterization of Goldman Sachs and it's enablers?<br/><br/>And I quote:<br/><br/>"The world's most powerful investment bank is a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money”.<br/><br/>Mr. <PERSON>, like most of his GS compatriots, was only in it for the lucre. He stayed there long enough to enhance his connections and shepherd through a huge tax giveaway to himself and his fellow plutocrats. Since that mission is accomplished, there's no reason for him to stay there if he's not able to continue the self-aggrandizement. <br/><br/>Sure he's not happy about the tariff plan, as that might cut down on the skim for him and his. But don't pretend he's leaving due to a clash or principles. Like <PERSON>, his principle is moolah, and he'd obviously made the calculation that the wealth draining possibilities of his current position have lessened enough that it's time to go find a riper vein.	591,954	[ 591918 ]	244	[ 183946, 429940, 362008, 449285, 505047, 161191, 222499, 418519, 244779, 181437, 525425, 391627, 533541, 588923, 183959, 208250, 172791, 282505, 188429, 31243, 429882, 58319, 203399, 385101, 55248, 329428, 240501, 562330, 272072, 19077, 219291, 462603, 217189, 444157, 299332, 522163, 18478, 69427, 392583, 383451, 321228, 329343, 210582, 247189, 547327, 400683, 401515, 477713, 163458, 564899, 480025, 342333, 136414, 371533, 298942, 41448, 547027, 236252, 18465, 471667, 19589, 577445, 77379, 143452, 494614, 516104, 339368, 310907, 305292, 280681, 81497, 200279, 472404, 537465, 390145, 214963, 195191, 235456, 49806, 425612, 246514, 90872, 517297, 146137, 157711, 312967, 525463, 252560, 327329, 508303, 246679, 23078, 361039, 444913, 581039, 184002, 424742, 377249, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	Normally, I don't agree much with what <PERSON> writes, but here I do.<br/><br/>Trump won the 2016 election (as this article implies) because the electorate reverted to norm. Infrequent voters--many, though not all, young and non-white, and in particular inner city African American--came out in high numbers to vote for <PERSON> in 2008 an 2012, partly due to the novelty involved in voting for the first African American presidential candidate, and, as I've been writing about for more than a year, partly due to simple old tribalism, which is still a major force in turnout.<br/><br/>These people unfortunately did not feel as much urgency in 2016. Some may have voted third party, but many did not vote at all. And they were particularly absent in Detroit, Flint, Grand Rapids, Milwaukee, Philadelphia, and Pittsburgh, which contributed mightily to <PERSON>'s losses in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and therefore in the election.<br/><br/>Yes, it's true that gerrymandering and voter suppression tactics in these areas contributed--particularly the shenanigans with polling places and long lines in these urban areas--but the fact remains that more people were motivated enough in '08 and '12 to overcome this. And it leads to the conclusion that even in the 21st century, nothing motivates like the chance to "vote for one of your own".<br/><br/>It's also why I've written Democrats would do well to ensure that the ticket includes an African or Hispanic American in 2020 (female, preferably).	591,955	null	71	[ 55623, 55632, 65436, 311529, 366175, 471890, 477313, 566064, 580737, 497315, 584760, 350082, 286085, 218672, 171694, 459836, 570629, 51654, 399696, 25433, 37087, 515244, 118188, 350999, 462460, 136545, 375185, 427435, 290341, 496902, 501161, 464802, 376586, 419694, 6859, 117338, 585471, 289368, 228290, 122376, 217078, 40009, 237708, 318968, 5338, 64693, 563583, 433121, 134492, 591980, 372120, 284864, 25312, 167480, 271989, 55507, 194973, 183364, 582104, 71823, 72050, 320091, 149948, 446776, 459131, 273232, 19759, 29074, 233019, 246367, 524047, 22243, 80693, 580849, 267004, 4723, 166813, 59176, 338428, 120733, 244874, 327711, 71830, 103051, 492959, 586348, 25324, 383421, 337737, 134789, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	Excellent column from Tom.<br/><br/>I'd only add that "if you want to get rid of walls and ceilings — and I do — you have to strengthen the floors under every American", you've got to start with progressive taxation to pay for it. That includes a true corporate tax rate with nonexistent loopholes and an individual tax rate on high earning individuals more in lime with those of Europe. And, while we're at it, an elimination of the Social Security earnings cap.<br/><br/>Of course, this would take a diminishing of the power of political lobbyists through public funding of elections so that our politicians wouldn't be dependent on oligarchs for their campaign funds, which bends them almost completely to those oligarchs' wills. 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	This idea that <PERSON> has been constrained so far only makes sense from the standpoint of a Republican--even one who is critical of <PERSON>, as Mr. <PERSON> can be. <br/><br/>Such a person says, "Hey, you know, we got a tax bill and a lot of business deregulation and a Supreme Court Justice, and we're not in a new war yet, and Obamacare is being debilitated one cut at a time, so, you know, it's okay."<br/><br/>I suspect the opinion is different in other circles, particularly those outside the US, but in a lot of them here, too. From that view, <PERSON> has only been restrained in the sense that things can be poisoned a little bit at a time as well as by one massive dose.	591,957	null	51	[ 367609, 25594, 18460, 361789, 328704, 361117, 537938, 365943, 464569, 320549, 134269, 525295, 311958, 258932, 546306, 532619, 467741, 296026, 475991, 22487, 451485, 84158, 388215, 334581, 334605, 531394, 581379, 422451, 232046, 235763, 501950, 447372, 80945, 252528, 346650, 211098, 133655, 432512, 407336, 142657, 34605, 22451, 92066, 449157, 407130, 322749, 263833, 458526, 143590, 219886, 407168, 437720, 72792, 72072, 546299, 78238, 469993, 353729, 321094, 109020, 28509, 180237, 40116, 87816, 118510, 345300, 75443, 585076, 149359, 451602, 39668, 180793, 352882, 331252, 131392, 119440, 329880, 299917, 257278, 375291, 441794, 315961, 452848, 31412, 11089, 6812, 585630, 474894, 371912, 155546, 543828, 242617, 314978, 538344, 55185, 296962, 280515, 40225, 358413, 413583, 246259, 334548, 467246, 204669, 141186, 102372, 39752, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	Okay, <PERSON> is a sleazy, greasy dumpster fire of an individual, worthy of all the negative adjectives the collective wisdom of a NY Times comments section can throw at him. But the real question is doing something about it.<br/><br/>It appears, unless Mr. <PERSON> has something up his sleeve no one has yet speculated about, that we're going to have Le Grand Orange in the Oval Office until at least 2020. (Technically, the beginning of 2021.) The Republican enablers in Congress are not going to allow impeachment hearings.<br/><br/>So the course of action is obvious. This November, get those Republican enablers out of Congress. Get a Democratic majority in there that, even if it can't impeach <PERSON>, can stand in the way of a lot of his, and his supporters, dismantling of the nation.<br/><br/>Ensure you are registered to vote. Ensure everyone around you is registered to vote. Ensure that on Election Day, you and everyone around you goes to vote. Stand in that long line if you have to--and in a lot of voter suppression states, you'll have to--bring snacks and music, and electronic recording devices to show just what these enablers make you wait through to vote. And those devices are handy for recording the inevitable encounters with election officials that will claim certain inconvenient people are not eligible to vote. <br/><br/>Short of violent uprising, people--never a good idea-- this is the only option. We all know it. Now go do it.	591,958	[ 591865 ]	136	[ 34197, 324751, 568216, 72740, 503889, 169002, 34196, 138807, 111346, 73383, 240844, 415118, 418275, 34432, 81372, 294395, 367166, 282665, 546668, 520658, 78399, 576319, 404642, 383498, 336321, 169001, 72993, 272830, 473465, 526860, 464789, 253009, 50109, 295067, 513130, 540777, 420840, 74840, 459836, 324932, 376571, 81736, 547900, 54837, 215915, 220888, 551957, 120934, 188761, 565879, 489231, 55012, 116761, 459504, 121512, 524034, 211139, 213618, 524247, 151980, 322103, 473806, 151920, 407336, 246036, 548306, 18851, 215485, 472579, 60747, 126815, 289932, 459778, 183170, 504036, 547895, 160352, 350609, 59090, 139263, 435646, 393981, 537950, 53058, 43004, 133003, 341418, 44923, 121076, 29749, 72747, 149708, 54335, 72092, 211628, 54284, 285639, 163044, 124124, 156625, 80583, 475941, 72744, 497905, 340241, 72975, 25042, 358192, 87351, 212472, 106951, 587898, 54421, 21719, 216036, 234195, 1275, 303592, 288901, 438484, 241538, 321200, 229597, 490772, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	Ain't nothing here but pure unabashed greed--<PERSON> is likely the richest man in the world at this point.<br/><br/>The only real difference between him and <PERSON> is that <PERSON> is considerably more facile at using the levers of power to distract people both inside and outside his nation from his vacuuming up of wealth, and that facility involves casting himself as the strong right hand on the tiller of the Russian ship of state, guiding it through the treacherous waters of cosmopolitanism and effeteness. His ability to position himself as a bulwark of world order against a rising tide of chaos is a major reason for his popularity among the many who have problems with ambiguity.<br/><br/>Of course, while he may give lip service to this as a guiding philosophy, I don't think for a minute he truly believes a word of it--this is all about grabbing as much as possible for himself and his cronies. No wonder <PERSON> loves him--in <PERSON> he sees a fellow avaricious grifter, and a more effective one at that.	591,959	[ 591847, 591891 ]	244	[ 556366, 291423, 560052, 69386, 220818, 259125, 270182, 94087, 505047, 291541, 328197, 570530, 562963, 211765, 574898, 110489, 149968, 524112, 111686, 155741, 401035, 64881, 40432, 556861, 576713, 34259, 496986, 89542, 147424, 52988, 525370, 229132, 334430, 416455, 532683, 522618, 405491, 401837, 119718, 259132, 575789, 325874, 329213, 191509, 244775, 334541, 127147, 266099, 64382, 564703, 321343, 74661, 94202, 444157, 57062, 127067, 213621, 562986, 299918, 119534, 203338, 450231, 85108, 546687, 178659, 327586, 574816, 576958, 386587, 245440, 119022, 15492, 499399, 462418, 435502, 193860, 533541, 413776, 153342, 259151, 212321, 155736, 83351, 149599, 282505, 588923, 562997, 400942, 570681, 471682, 495387, 345110, 6877, 471580, 69385, 269321, 498812, 371699, 41739, 426033, 195779, 165215, 439299, 38239, 311154, 322097, 69514, 551943, 41560, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	Okay, <PERSON> is a greasy dumpster fire of an individual, worthy of all the negative adjectives the collective efforts of the NY Times comments' sections can throw at him. And the sycophants and toadies around him are in the same category. But the real question is doing something about it.<br/><br/>It appears, unless Mr. <PERSON> has something up his sleeve no one's imagined, we're going to have Le Grand Orange in the Oval Office until at least 2020. (Technically, the beginning of 2021.) The Republican enablers in Congress are not going to allow impeachment hearings.<br/><br/>So the course of action is obvious. This November, get those Republican enablers out of Congress. Get a Democratic majority in there that, even if it can't impeach <PERSON>, can stand in the way of a lot of his, and his hangers-on, dismantling of our nation and its institutions.<br/><br/>Ensure you are registered to vote. Ensure everyone around you is registered to vote. Ensure that on Election Day, you and everyone around you goes to vote. Stand in that long line if you have to--and in a lot of voter suppression states, you'll have to--bring snacks and music, and electronic recording devices to show just what these enablers make you wait through to vote. Keep those devices handy for recording the inevitable encounters with election officials that will claim certain inconvenient people are not eligible to vote. <br/><br/>Short of violent uprising, people--never a good idea--this is the only option. We all know it. Now go do it.	591,960	[ 591865 ]	136	[ 34197, 324751, 34196, 72740, 568216, 169002, 503889, 111346, 138807, 169001, 81372, 73383, 464789, 336321, 418275, 404642, 282665, 34432, 367166, 420840, 294395, 459836, 215915, 546668, 78399, 72993, 272830, 513130, 240844, 415118, 253009, 576319, 524247, 116761, 473465, 383498, 324932, 81736, 520658, 540777, 120934, 435646, 220888, 295067, 50109, 151980, 526860, 376571, 524034, 213618, 139263, 322103, 54837, 121512, 551957, 29749, 211106, 472579, 54335, 547900, 55012, 473806, 183170, 44923, 151920, 53058, 459504, 160352, 155856, 106951, 75502, 163044, 475941, 547895, 565879, 329985, 459778, 126815, 59090, 341418, 215485, 8100, 489231, 504036, 285639, 497905, 105143, 587898, 133003, 18851, 496397, 548306, 149708, 393981, 74840, 121076, 511741, 329899, 407373, 211628, 72975, 340241, 188761, 321200, 407336, 438484, 80583, 408203, 60747, 244026, 538314, 223800, 574398, 526526, 442030, 253774, 72072, 149790, 77602, 43004, 163993, 241538, 358192, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	It's a nice try, but misplaced; one simply cannot have a debate about abortion without a discussion of whether the products of conception (the most neutral term I could think of here) have the legal status of "person"--that is, the status of an independent entity with certain rights.<br/><br/>Certainly, there is difference of opinion as to whether those products have such rights, and at what stage. What we need is a better definition, based on scientific knowledge, of when those products are capable of the behavior of a "person". For many these means viability outside the womb; for others it means when there is evidence of consciousness. <br/><br/>But this debate hinges upon that determination--the point at which the products have legal "rights" equal to that of any other "person". To not deal with that is to lead the debate in an endless circle.	591,961	[ 591861, 591878, 591927, 591941 ]	142	[ 266463, 307141, 225585, 284478, 40137, 323998, 437749, 414544, 39564, 188546, 48517, 473945, 331362, 504360, 320914, 385391, 283475, 424130, 226536, 252633, 505961, 188159, 76463, 353522, 247247, 402440, 65502, 474849, 555907, 414210, 30619, 414555, 182744, 522790, 491610, 363224, 185571, 40135, 425232, 404077, 520108, 385377, 188593, 215858, 295333, 182514, 203, 64327, 456000, 252611, 130387, 464401, 218202, 60238, 75476, 61192, 315882, 23013, 583856, 583028, 35238, 558751, 471508, 375815, 250016, 455969, 182545, 392607, 505957, 579284, 526579, 411199, 125072, 295597, 281686, 109345, 578725, 178216, 544017, 548541, 364648, 445399, 582420, 355528, 363185, 39657, 500955, 312439, 54614, 524315, 322456, 167669, 42263, 259406, 544068, 183516, 512160, 435854, 201751, 442292, 263914, 40119, 278171, 504366, 313280, 9104, 317889, 351361, 445479, 553994, 489983, 352901, 130867, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	It may turn out that the interlocking shadow conspiracies so beloved of Hollywood screenwriters and producers may not have been fictions, or even exaggerations, at all. The actuality is more disturbing than the scripted stories.<br/><br/>I'm sure that there are herculean efforts going on right now in those shadowy corners to hide or destroy other evidence of this before the cleansing sunlight gets to it. I only hope that the news organizations investigating this can keep their reporters financed enough--and protected enough--to continue.	591,962	[ 591927, 591865, 591954 ]	138	[ 479300, 303812, 79655, 451366, 388233, 414223, 118226, 488490, 322187, 194096, 454369, 248391, 148357, 391278, 303481, 550937, 5510, 574377, 119809, 193361, 554986, 455853, 479703, 346875, 552010, 566225, 279502, 49575, 539669, 566224, 80910, 322111, 574432, 559945, 205156, 164977, 226931, 340745, 222969, 379577, 539807, 543953, 41081, 80670, 202790, 364299, 35166, 19176, 35209, 329424, 455921, 32585, 25330, 476539, 541614, 362679, 470168, 304328, 84541, 186993, 499043, 43766, 387864, 525831, 369048, 553721, 310373, 12230, 48652, 21759, 183251, 479459, 90618, 226901, 322037, 160197, 518121, 195474, 392264, 311211, 495748, 479544, 390852, 411637, 436419, 49783, 81373, 332643, 43568, 516286, 560230, 525962, 138342, 177265, 450266, 198259, 494503, 563612, 373370, 574415, 257478, 418275, 344577, 350052, 40660, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	Good Lord. That's two columns worth of material from <PERSON> I've agreed with in the space of a week. A sure sign of the apocalypse.<br/><br/>Seriously, Mr. <PERSON> is dead on here. The demographic that voted in large numbers for <PERSON> is still far more influenced by television that by social media. It WAS television that provided those voters with their initial sense of <PERSON> as a savvy and charismatic business expert, and it was television news stations that continued that narrative and provided his candidacy with all that coverage of his outrageousness, because, as <PERSON> rightly pointed out by beating me to <PERSON> quote, it was great for those networks' bottom lines at a time when their ratings and business models were under siege by new forms of media (as they still are).<br/><br/>It's notable that in the part of the country who knew all about <PERSON> well before he was introduced to the rest of it through the Apprentice--my own New York metro area--he barely got enough votes to get to a double digit percentage. We knew what a "short-fingered vulgarian" (as per Spy Magazine) he was.<br/><br/>Still, we have to address the gullibility of the American voter who swallowed all this reality TV claptrap. Such voters may be diminishing in number as they age, but I don't have much confidence that the next generation of social media-raised voters are any more intelligent or discriminating. TV may have won 2016, but what wins 2020 and beyond?	591,963	[ 591838 ]	234	[ 580857, 387999, 163054, 465914, 451658, 571646, 503019, 451696, 155870, 290900, 328827, 458955, 306679, 502721, 451072, 264020, 556416, 205327, 533505, 154476, 49513, 578780, 7297, 451073, 524184, 252547, 212546, 379347, 230106, 482995, 518380, 336237, 119861, 18794, 585378, 20838, 295228, 98862, 238250, 388620, 246357, 270085, 72040, 492464, 501316, 6148, 55707, 576588, 349469, 215034, 379470, 379057, 182180, 190017, 31551, 583663, 457804, 451753, 286371, 98823, 530073, 153848, 34404, 313115, 478686, 229925, 51433, 521142, 52624, 560177, 573197, 310590, 52923, 352369, 524038, 158917, 391918, 340574, 458444, 578696, 149966, 211582, 305435, 456626, 34047, 421074, 102372, 203268, 280699, 463631, 343636, 359200, 492939, 583521, 52865, 254829, 453400, 212584, 563193, 15629, 230000, 347541, 262714, 152343, 576661, 49010, 68109, 278009, 419184, 17661, 234248, 83721, 391034, 402989, 514253, 122362, 156810, 510848, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	There are ideological differences among Democrats, and of course among voters in general, but they are greater in the "G" areas--God, guns, and gays--than they are in economic areas.<br/><br/>An overwhelming majority of ALL voters would like to see more government involvement in health care, not less--and at least a government option or expansion of Medicare, if not single-payer. An overwhelming majority wants higher taxes on the wealthy, and on corporate entities to pay for government safety net programs, and wants loopholes closed and the tax process simplified. An overwhelming majority wants greater regulation of banks and extractive industries. An overwhelming majority wants the minimum wage raised to a reasonable level of $15/hour (many will support an even higher level). An overwhelming majority wants greater worker power in the workplace, either through unions or some other mechanism. And this cuts across the "traditional" liberal/conservative lines, perhaps even signaling a realignment and relabeling of what actually is politically liberal/conservative.<br/><br/>Democrats don't have to run on gun control, religious pluralism, and gay marriage to win. They have to push the idea that they are better for the non-oligarch, non-plutocrat than Republicans. They used to do this in the days of <PERSON> and <PERSON>. They can do so again. And there are enough voters--if you get them to the polls--to swamp the die-hard bigots/1% who would never be receptive to the message anyway.	591,964	[ 591847, 591952, 591898 ]	66	[ 105574, 121616, 94284, 32859, 356730, 524038, 565715, 186194, 567442, 260078, 39959, 477302, 211115, 44526, 4914, 194718, 360037, 449844, 149874, 121664, 329645, 376950, 105733, 55624, 566733, 382708, 226935, 378472, 228469, 111279, 449810, 244192, 145894, 264812, 284127, 565727, 121238, 360046, 39966, 403607, 121369, 65085, 307356, 526865, 523663, 524780, 39957, 497060, 230721, 547181, 488583, 197379, 235218, 464783, 433819, 349787, 336465, 305435, 39955, 140908, 262709, 521602, 342240, 524186, 483855, 409836, 458646, 250727, 333242, 473515, 361161, 265562, 360044, 503297, 238161, 524117, 83171, 39962, 483828, 524054, 88709, 50055, 403606, 406167, 158082, 29434, 396369, 523601, 485098, 364936, 394028, 592425, 121139, 32615, 136597, 331541, 39858, 310827, 474966, 337769, 238142, 51356, 1566, 157911, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	Of COURSE we are shaped by our experiences, identities, and categories, whether self imposed or imposed from without.<br/><br/>That doesn't mean that we can't acknowledge when they may be biasing us, and it certainly doesn't mean we can't reason beyond them, through a combination of humility, intensity, and eclectic autodidacticism. We need to be "woke" to our starting points, but recognize them as just that, starting points. We can speak for more than our "groups".<br/><br/>I am white, male, bisexual, Easter European by ancestry, Jewish by birth, atheist by inclination, socially awkward by constitution, and more than a bit of a nerd. I am all these things to greater or lesser degree at various points. I may speak/write from any or all of these perspectives at times, recognizing their influences on me, but hopefully I can also transcend them all with focus and self-criticism, and with a ferocious pursuit of truth. And then, hopefully, I am ultimately speaking for me, for this entity, not denying the parts that make it up, but not kowtowing to any one of them, either. That is, presumably, the endpoint here--what we're aiming for if we want to talk about the "good life", or how to make "a more perfect union".<br/><br/>I recognize how easy it is to speak from only one identity, but it's not impossible to speak from an encompassing whole, just more difficult.<br/><br/>If I do say so myself (phrase intended), I think many of the comment writers here manage to do this more often than they believe.	591,965	[ 591838, 591927, 591878 ]	173	[ 330282, 350756, 519099, 142673, 103838, 503020, 513218, 539864, 104181, 180559, 583856, 118034, 276287, 323125, 465922, 477826, 322165, 431655, 411621, 272863, 292190, 450610, 501313, 511854, 130008, 586389, 343888, 374946, 215524, 307959, 388809, 404578, 404738, 548544, 579311, 480120, 151855, 81695, 518806, 281675, 39923, 254827, 512702, 341742, 586914, 299931, 78881, 5172, 366861, 583541, 446774, 383329, 346590, 447579, 459062, 386439, 583545, 191328, 222477, 237549, 41929, 39922, 212255, 107862, 532956, 448777, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	I devoutly wish that something--ANYTHING--would dissuade <PERSON>'s supporters and enablers that they've hitched their wagons to the wrong nag.<br/><br/>But <PERSON> is the real the Teflon Don--nothing seems to stick too him as far as his supporters are concerned. To them, all this stuff is merely background noise that won't get in the way of them encouraging <PERSON> to Make America Great Again.<br/><br/>There really needs to be a study of the psychology of these supporters--we have to figure out how they manage to live in such denial, and where all that anger comes from, if only to be able to see it coming in future cases.<br/><br/>Yes, I'm aware that a lot of these people are being conned, as Dr. <PERSON> writes about today, but it's much more important to figure out HOW that happens. Because if we don't, even when <PERSON> is gone, they'll be right back cheering on the next demagogue.	591,966	null	73	[ 383425, 323796, 390532, 301711, 458200, 277012, 50209, 41321, 22459, 225189, 537477, 565063, 494532, 145548, 248346, 198792, 24464, 216749, 244798, 474171, 510004, 289585, 22473, 504386, 103913, 290387, 235395, 256219, 292496, 567405, 293185, 399662, 162661, 448085, 294217, 190617, 185614, 293169, 524225, 479818, 142305, 418901, 313751, 414350, 413449, 537950, 316488, 195285, 240752, 516310, 358284, 530163, 390173, 493082, 467812, 180277, 128278, 516272, 26372, 130567, 33213, 189470, 72520, 482974, 30376, 83336, 205472, 524276, 31605, 342641, 464944, 134484, 438016, 284766, 518522, 497745, 252156, 459778, 278114, 322072, 538302, 382350, 393032, 393975, 50181, 317852, 320466, 544709, 41914, 115764, 18873, 471998, 520893, 78769, 428406, 43117, 529866, 547958, 357825, 95083, 554594, 506548, 461865, 107121, 216048, 180257, 273495, 444435, 305301, 322096, 458207, 366910, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	Some excellent aphorisms here. Very quotable.<br/><br/>I am still waiting, however, for something that is actionable enough to get <PERSON> out of the Oval Office--something that even his ridiculously in-denial supporters will admit crosses the line, if, given the degree to which deviancy has been defined down by this administration, such a line even exists.<br/><br/>It not only seems true that <PERSON> could shoot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue and not lose supporters, it seems as if he could nuke the world and whoever among his supporters was left would still think he was Making America Great Again. The psychology of these middle-finger thrusters would be fascinating if it wasn't so dangerous.	591,967	null	97	[ 66841, 4020, 414261, 484470, 127309, 395125, 67982, 243969, 484827, 74240, 39375, 73792, 304626, 370195, 184540, 311328, 328822, 447604, 307332, 48089, 308952, 534406, 523253, 333252, 441210, 240956, 261649, 393138, 587265, 233262, 506660, 575035, 397191, 104083, 411824, 38857, 590328, 558118, 118318, 31499, 402897, 71841, 61327, 54835, 264607, 11673, 518781, 395703, 413241, 328856, 39881, 376153, 342486, 22097, 542159, 431643, 179145, 268551, 180100, 114306, 279131, 399888, 273386, 471699, 237339, 295025, 345446, 256223, 544990, 36565, 308153, 229528, 162039, 590108, 162270, 160357, 575172, 253937, 215602, 344679, 402876, 188602, 242797, 147690, 275440, 528792, 68220, 261595, 119611, 390979, 182197, 184193, 16071, 141907, 143878, 354819, 315766, 133589, 420094, 339707, 342057, 238197, 224733, 564340, 503513, 29285, 388641, 323243, 400779, 480315, 437882, 96823, 215188, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	As an old lefty, I am very much sympathetic to the idea that the "government must do for people what they cannot do for themselves", and while a certain degree of skepticism and caveat emptor from each and every user is always a good idea, the average person simply does not have the resources protect him/herself from the dark side of social media connectivity and reach, just as s/he doesn't have the resources to make sure water is always safe to drink of that pharmaceuticals are effective and not overly harmful.<br/><br/>That is why there is a place for government regulation, in those realms and in this. People generally don't object to the need for an FDA or FTC to exist--beyond the radical alt right Mercerites and Kochites--and they should not object to some rein-in of electronic media, either.<br/><br/>In fact, treating Facebook and the like as public utilities has been suggested, and might be a reasonable model to adopt, with the capacity for adaptation and tweaks over time. But it's become evident that, capitalist/libertarian ethos notwithstanding, there needs to be some oversight to balance the enormous power, both for good and for evil, these entities have developed.	591,968	null	239	[ 322148, 582668, 260157, 334589, 320948, 119881, 188601, 581401, 239193, 250032, 586476, 545502, 315762, 295434, 382075, 558366, 19843, 152258, 327727, 321211, 96389, 60238, 52563, 560965, 367602, 153171, 380476, 583521, 505277, 585754, 257030, 549356, 416518, 199583, 173243, 518111, 322180, 538535, 324300, 564943, 261261, 571620, 568812, 535749, 584594, 279402, 314874, 420406, 341900, 540124, 7019, 389416, 279543, 103759, 377625, 377075, 16912, 39995, 185819, 482213, 210267, 451398, 112008, 542932, 109355, 331234, 552434, 431675, 102372, 563800, 379352, 517971, 423608, 374051, 230281, 49017, 209292, 350762, 473835, 51653, 359741, 240491, 258075, 188240, 449318, 494512, 367078, 246365, 184862, 5950, 398400, 246632, 167474, 273576, 530628, 33594, 382042, 370939, 98738, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	Given the rather nasty, bigoted, xenophobic, and ruthless tactics of modern day Republican conservatism, <PERSON>, you shouldn't be surprised that at some point that even wimpy, snowflake liberals start to get their backs up.<br/><br/>Too often, progressives have been characterized as TOO eager to compromise, as being trusting enough to enter into the rough and tumble political wrestling ring without protective equipment--indeed, to be blithely oblivious that they're in a wrestling match at all. To see some now using the same tactics as their opponents should hardly be a surprise.<br/><br/>I'm sure that many have some reservations and doubts about such tactics, but they're coming to the realization that conservatives have no such qualms. And, that if they don't meet fire with fire, they're simply not going to be very successful.<br/><br/>I'm sure that progressives will ratchet down the rhetoric and "dirty tricks"--the day that conservatives do.	591,969	null	242	[ 387260, 227378, 239556, 177886, 202586, 582875, 39834, 329850, 272051, 9965, 81881, 22939, 261809, 270687, 370967, 475980, 533505, 410689, 145548, 473521, 569746, 565039, 554315, 130082, 107914, 58323, 460382, 304204, 136080, 187239, 251499, 470195, 54781, 196549, 513270, 307544, 247624, 289523, 149830, 588467, 367307, 475643, 161756, 388639, 360985, 361088, 381799, 145360, 150115, 81770, 419894, 492342, 75958, 254316, 39802, 226924, 468771, 281996, 556461, 360933, 245354, 65287, 318369, 170928, 35312, 352584, 379739, 280482, 363415, 511224, 195665, 323168, 440402, 64521, 392594, 468859, 375131, 33089, 33213, 406837, 431675, 569767, 16936, 240472, 468702, 362293, 345086, 123894, 67242, 75224, 500656, 312268, 245215, 510007, 312546, 433317, 463570, 553251, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	<PERSON>'s long quoting of <PERSON> summaries the differences in world view very nicely.<br/><br/>But it leaves out the questions of turnout.<br/><br/>On average, even in a Presidential election year, Democratic leaning voters, especially well-educated ones, simply turn out at lower rates than Republican leaning ones. This may well be a function of the greater anger and fear among Republican leaning voters making them more motivated to get to the polls, compounded by the greater number of highly motivated single issue voters--religion, guns, abortion--that tend to congregate on the Republican side.<br/><br/>It is likely the case that, exit polls aside, that if Democratic leaning voters went to the polls in similar proportions, Democrats would win far more elections.<br/>Republicans know this, and compound the problem not only with gerrymandering, but with blatant voter suppression tactics in Democratic leaning areas (onerous ID requirements, lack of polling places in urban areas, and the like).<br/><br/>As I've written before, blase Democratic voters have to get up off their butts and go to the polls EVERY SINGLE TIME, no matter how ambivalent they may be about particular candidates. The Republican side generally does not let ambivalence get in the way of voting. And even when there are ruthless suppression tactics, voters have to be prepared to go to the polls and argue and video confrontations over voting legitimacy--they can't just shrug and say it's not worth the hassle (that's what con-oligarchs want).	591,970	null	63	[ 276314, 262709, 216979, 348618, 21798, 332593, 36800, 58376, 393006, 250727, 36900, 19854, 116742, 404625, 262637, 255268, 58284, 88709, 409598, 464789, 229707, 165731, 394028, 467896, 333386, 72040, 335757, 316947, 122388, 239648, 563175, 262630, 520620, 130759, 375549, 367157, 30872, 278289, 384744, 21604, 261803, 399406, 37125, 158217, 15526, 534186, 333470, 452130, 217037, 434200, 54493, 499738, 261342, 338428, 337737, 517882, 184297, 266921, 177501, 524038, 32022, 19422, 350082, 152114, 136547, 169427, 98917, 335634, 188887, 18127, 8773, 287086, 19730, 482591, 271013, 287147, 465049, 411998, 442738, 37062, 130875, 465043, 78399, 260440, 22681, 20865, 460275, 464806, 386719, 36943, 281072, 169304, 522932, 262215, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	The real question, I think, it why character matters so much more to people if you're a Democrat or progressive than if you're a Republican or conservative.<br/><br/>The general standard for the former among the average person, and among much of the media scribes, is much higher than for the latter. The bar is set so low for people such as <PERSON>, and for Republican conservatives in general (see: <PERSON>, <PERSON>, etc.) that apparently it can always be cleared as far as their supporters are concerned, whereas Democrat progressives are held to a much higher standard.<br/><br/>I've been writing about this for a while, wondering if it is simply expected that Republican conservatives will turn out to be hypocrites and self-servers, so that in most people's minds it is not surprise when that happens, whereas when a Democrat is found not acting along with his/her professed ethics, is as if the apocalypse has come. I admit I don't have a clue how it got this way or how it can be overcome.	591,971	null	242	[ 395298, 273667, 39751, 570435, 141215, 19084, 182792, 64674, 425446, 191218, 496656, 205321, 116011, 499617, 438782, 405203, 321982, 531327, 107606, 306360, 219048, 404288, 362865, 235596, 227924, 510991, 7599, 375131, 448085, 39975, 39978, 194979, 183381, 412459, 509490, 576883, 512009, 368720, 359142, 437673, 473818, 369156, 395718, 378434, 475080, 102320, 39730, 533075, 197440, 520009, 279555, 369935, 542535, 398908, 43601, 463839, 500613, 58383, 70041, 244513, 215943, 207834, 556473, 178262, 40009, 67034, 361140, 289679, 489613, 189955, 64059, 537044, 183969, 266965, 45154, 565063, 58352, 570783, 212499, 468911, 211529, 554897, 567181, 380554, 582658, 64530, 6971, 474935, 367102, 85655, 491327, 474887, 107909, 40149, 528327, 11492, 438310, 270107, 127204, 39795, 586860, 369074, 414000, 566729, 314656, 138704, 192684, 376555, 268911, 565879, 105574, 367088, 338640, 184177, 155973, 432113, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	Back to basics here.<br/><br/>1) Censorship, no matter where it comes from, is one of the worst things one can engage in. That means, unfortunately, that even hateful or inciting communications must often be reluctantly allowed, or all communications risk the threat of censorship.<br/><br/>2. That having been said, there is a place for good editorial/curatorial judgment. If one must allow any sort of communication,no matter how hateful or inciting or just plain unfactual, one has an obligation to use other communication to point this out, citing all of the reasoned and factual evidence as to why this communication is hateful, inciting, unfactual. In the end, in the contest of ideas, we should want the better ideas, not the louder ones, to ultimately win the day. (I recognize that the previous is in itself and idea that not everyone agrees to--but I would reason that to argue that case the arguers have to use the very same reason and so undercut themselves.)<br/><br/>3. As <PERSON>, everyone is entitled to an opinion, but no one is entitled to his/her own facts. Facts are not fungible. The claim that there are alternative facts cannot be sustained, either by factual argument or non-factual one, as the latter leads to a hypocrisy circle that cannot be squared. (For example, if you don't believe humans are having an influence on climate, in that you don't believe in the precepts of physics, you shouldn't believe in the processes that runs your cell phone, either.)	591,972	[ 591927 ]	224	[ 567416, 38749, 158935, 96780, 49912, 560921, 406105, 180122, 311004, 190394, 308472, 307169, 40093, 264088, 240739, 585141, 168493, 39922, 303512, 98560, 39630, 122473, 183057, 2150, 384469, 93049, 437735, 517915, 318008, 573817, 157046, 431655, 39834, 289349, 484934, 74963, 209421, 250949, 520262, 64563, 268374, 569820, 20328, 39632, 255019, 446669, 347312, 54582, 162774, 586559, 519596, 123599, 303593, 546038, 182385, 510213, 253626, 99090, 192244, 182485, 454458, 586511, 140850, 4802, 567953, 182787, 322390, 379359, 546509, 332104, 16855, 349289, 268992, 384397, 342248, 132867, 586404, 17321, 238332, 555938, 470386, 106621, 446625, 432112, 478009, 81673, 36672, 372135, 487705, 385735, 533768, 218152, 168504, 537094, 451641, 50023, 113825, 103278, 435405, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	Somehow, I sense that if much more of the world "goes atheist", it would not result in the eventual extinction of the human species.<br/><br/>In fact, it might help preserve it, as not relying on the concept of a higher power, however that is conceived, tends to revert responsibility for human behavior, and its improvement, on humans themselves, where it really ought to be. if you can't rely on the hairy thunderer or the cosmic Egg McMuffin to take care of the universe, you may just have to, by default, do it yourself. <br/><br/>And that may bode much better for the human race and the planet in the long run.	591,973	[ 591838, 591861, 591879, 591927, 591915, 591847, 591886, 591913, 591878 ]	114	[ 314765, 246372, 159540, 585972, 373315, 15561, 94760, 426975, 562998, 395862, 339228, 236405, 489921, 489922, 580766, 505823, 290737, 484041, 63080, 424315, 440287, 586583, 333794, 546794, 203649, 361179, 149617, 522349, 83252, 537821, 490330, 507481, 324417, 254867, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	<PERSON> has excellently expressed the conundrum here.<br/><br/>Sure, plumbing and surgery and architecture et. al. are all professions requiring mastery of a body of knowledge. The big question is whether politics or public service are "professions" requiring a "body of knowledge" requiring the same educational and experiential path as others.<br/><br/>Even our nation's founders were unsure about this, as many envisioned "citizen legislators" who would serve for a time and then go home to their other professions.<br/><br/>The discussion here should be over what qualifications are necessary to serve at each level of government. Yes, in the end, the voters judge that, but the discussion should be joined before the vote.	591,974	null	165	[ 215391, 544034, 530970, 561900, 558265, 130149, 451166, 202125, 6393, 333904, 362088, 306280, 380803, 190641, 136037, 547565, 241929, 318811, 268490, 17262, 424013, 151217, 220297, 437683, 262782, 516412, 59329, 528765, 346667, 203339, 527016, 105732, 266631, 588481, 40609, 334502, 500363, 78405, 469576, 267711, 375426, 143395, 192683, 407057, 463373, 41724, 278084, 191152, 375682, 33402, 229919, 181919, 433878, 22099, 153061, 123156, 150220, 181775, 380256, 439345, 54205, 301633, 493204, 537584, 71138, 540470, 517394, 501858, 29383, 28786, 537546, 548443, 464330, 113965, 269440, 314811, 383829, 201233, 130753, 22631, 386492, 127045, 29521, 373716, 259146, 197463, 512124, 40595, 344796, 292882, 475647, 424982, 109130, 398914, 284925, 324761, 389955, 377187, 96831, 461954, 23343, 112915, 35897, 586746, 136292, 280081, 332218, 210877, 145840, 468206, 531501, 482363, 9239, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	In a perfect world, or even a moderately imperfect world, what <PERSON> and Congressional Republicans just did would be recognized by all sane and competently intelligent people as a cruel, cynical ploy to increase the coffers of the oligarchs at the expense of everyone else, and especially at the expense of the people who they were voted into office by.<br/><br/>But we don't live in such a world filled with sane and competently intelligent people. We live in one in which most are so uneducated about politics and so distracted by their social media feeds that they don't notice they're being fleeced, and they're so used to the propaganda machine feeding them alternative facts that they still believe plutocrats hear their frustrations and help them, when of course nothing of the sort will happen.<br/><br/>There's a massive, massive blind spot out there as to the true self-interested nature of the candidates garnering the votes of so many of the red state folk.<br/>Apparently, as long as these candidates mouth platitudes about government overreach and fan fear of a black and brown planet, people will keep voting for grifters and cheats. <br/><br/>Who will be able to produce the words that finally allow the crack that lets the light in for these people? That's the real question.<br/><br/>Or will it take Hoovervilles? Or massive die offs?<br/>How bad do things have to actually get before people realize they've been had?	591,975	null	172	[ 504590, 529124, 475697, 186422, 184177, 68673, 188824, 20408, 451197, 41274, 392631, 386507, 490322, 38106, 273667, 55921, 190707, 39886, 231648, 478438, 322109, 118018, 268591, 425432, 156960, 314957, 235709, 529073, 495275, 492551, 521967, 415960, 359169, 415254, 81770, 188527, 470559, 81374, 478167, 165321, 432383, 350525, 474133, 211416, 86488, 458807, 50179, 270715, 505310, 537582, 273492, 533964, 292280, 261207, 392652, 252957, 361182, 69680, 165317, 393060, 51811, 185579, 398091, 574760, 147490, 570803, 110429, 42205, 166029, 140915, 397372, 411714, 158350, 529254, 322092, 557449, 321484, 540942, 237803, 364513, 425441, 331383, 201356, 273422, 461817, 473806, 220496, 361137, 433886, 211415, 285097, 195320, 240755, 4410, 587646, 505518, 489756, 215550, 492376, 549116, 121021, 286931, 553260, 292476, 561042, 31391, 104172, 113441, 121007, 524174, 407477, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	Don't count the chickens yet, <PERSON>. There are many still out there that haven't roosted.<br/><br/>Mr. <PERSON> is going to have a much harder time putting together a legislative coalition that can actually get something done.<br/><br/>And, as <PERSON> rightly points out, out of all French voters, <PERSON> got 42%, but "neither" or not voting got 36%, which, given France's traditionally high turnout in national elections, is a pretty big raspberry blown at the whole system.<br/><br/>And speaking of raspberries, I think one was being blown not only at La Pen, but also to an extent at Great Britain. The French have always thought the island kingdom has looked down at them (and the French, bien sur, have ALWAYS known it is they who have the right to look down their noses at Britain--mon dieu, the cheese and bread there are jokes) and part of this vote is an anti-Brexit reaction.<br/><br/>But <PERSON>, and the issues her party forms around, are not going away. The economic and cultural strain of immigration, particularly non-European immigration, will have to be addressed in some meaningful way or the demagogues will continue to find fertile ground.	591,976	[ 591937, 591838, 591875 ]	197	[ 49184, 172563, 121, 189883, 575517, 261258, 285259, 199912, 467511, 251049, 226647, 557757, 205463, 172744, 127609, 88647, 563812, 589434, 387025, 157658, 559955, 580206, 396407, 342457, 138412, 378708, 553423, 297795, 497735, 408128, 48462, 531082, 541556, 53554, 407311, 68264, 560064, 572834, 122864, 85673, 187536, 270051, 176949, 421028, 535114, 235311, 377270, 64115, 202601, 120643, 13401, 496009, 322894, 308618, 258195, 130445, 270058, 378709, 92316, 408139, 500492, 502723, 177540, 408127, 535232, 505021, 441482, 68263, 88648, 352724, 150842, 56945, 81655, 468621, 152536, 533263, 37794, 395235, 226091, 489048, 463820, 432497, 64124, 552430, 381172, 489947, 152428, 68248, 155873, 231700, 467279, 457137, 56858, 117633, 366327, 334842, 464481, 65125, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	"I'm not so sanguine as many that the Democrats are going to make a killing (pun intended) in the mid-terms. Because if <PERSON>, <PERSON>, <PERSON>, and others were elected by voters, such voters either can't distinguish between fact and fiction or simply don't care."<br/><br/>Christine <PERSON> is so right. I have no confidence that in the 2018 Congressional elections Democrats will gain seats, let alone enough to gain control of one or both houses. Gerrymandering, the potent Republican propaganda machine--you know somehow, when <PERSON> can't get his diabetes treated, they'll find a way to blame it on <PERSON>, and a large segment of <PERSON> will believe it--and the Democratic tendency, due to competing demands by various constituencies, to be insufficiently organized and focused will all work against this.<br/><br/>The first and the third parts of the above will need to be addressed at some point, but the second part--dealing with the Republicans huge messaging advantage--has to start now. (Should've begun decades ago.) There HAS to be an effort made to counteract the shrilling of Fox News, the pseudo-intellectual "research" of the right wing think tanks, and the lack of civics education in school. Most of all, the false equivalency of treating speculative opinion the same as actual documented knowledge has got to stop stop stop.<br/><br/>(The NY Times is doing a little better at this recently, although allowing certain a climate change "moderate" column space here is, ahem, a bit disappointing.)	591,977	null	47	[ 19537, 521972, 524182, 182588, 524247, 239636, 524030, 121001, 510282, 192602, 379721, 288624, 427584, 291477, 439330, 286916, 264812, 145346, 474158, 49379, 256217, 303569, 563175, 419281, 242617, 25270, 591154, 26351, 28983, 130252, 201374, 547796, 498336, 317237, 324952, 39737, 535123, 150265, 352245, 39669, 441109, 25396, 215912, 360964, 286510, 554507, 291476, 22057, 256072, 210285, 167487, 61609, 66735, 72446, 384880, 88702, 93456, 433496, 224305, 336560, 154724, 322095, 211480, 435700, 247249, 93839, 184088, 447091, 372658, 423782, 524084, 198792, 34197, 435790, 53362, 488723, 121042, 148350, 377969, 141856, 1122, 291507, 39978, 194718, 495, 435731, 268256, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	As <PERSON> hints at, the phenomenon described here is just one of the harbingers of the big shakeout coming in American higher education, among both not-for-profit and profit making institutions alike.<br/><br/>A number of trends are ganging up on the ability of many institutions to survive: the growing reluctance of government on all levels to continue to subsidize institutions of higher education, both indirectly with tax dollars and directly with financial aid (though this has wide geographic variations as to degree); the shrinking cohort of college age students due to demographics; the difficulty in replacing that cohort with full-paying foreign students in an environment that under the current administration has become much less friendly to them, and the ever increasing threat from on-line education and the push for its credentialing.<br/><br/>The number of institutions out there providing higher ed is likely to shrink by somewhere between a fifth and a third over the next few decades. The big prestigious universities with many more applicants than available spots are not immediately endangered, but many of those middle-to-lower tier schools, liberal arts and otherwise, are going to have increasing trouble filling those freshman classes. Some may argue the shrinking of the bloat may be a good thing, but imagine the increased unemployment this inevitable shakeout will bring in its wake.	591,978	[ 591865, 591843, 591836, 591904, 591941 ]	17	[ 311511, 585629, 530667, 387129, 506381, 477163, 146944, 207391, 266485, 458126, 402980, 378796, 114178, 185441, 85586, 188564, 269365, 513618, 216386, 348749, 237356, 310021, 549596, 483858, 4668, 33497, 134049, 391020, 197534, 426812, 372433, 8647, 316551, 200548, 466180, 185095, 332089, 498757, 104196, 496890, 303884, 477348, 172199, 207523, 144623, 286867, 366517, 145518, 291330, 313122, 28137, 1168, 524345, 367412, 311541, 290833, 96603, 487542, 528851, 121414, 290150, 591048, 264814, 489269, 227446, 244363, 539112, 350028, 402298, 480575, 491700, 78994, 285460, 103888, 106807, 509645, 69699, 170947, 434766, 258638, 24112, 22981, 234727, 183003, 357247, 284555, 463904, 134581, 254187, 357110, 79758, 404204, 406839, 372117, 27144, 24113, 171681, 59833, 395244, 404452, 586368, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	Agree with <PERSON> and <PERSON>--the impeachment of <PERSON> at this time, and maybe at any time, is ill-advised, as that not only results in a <PERSON> presidency, which may be worse (certainly, it would be more insidious), but also in the ability of the rabid right wing to use cries of a witch hunt to remobilize its base.<br/><br/>Far better to allow <PERSON> to stay in office, distracted by the investigations, and use "the gift that keeps on giving" to mobilize support for a wave Congressional election in 2018, and then a proper debate and vetting for a better opposition candidate in 2020. That is, if Democrats can pick up some messaging chops and stop shooting themselves in the feet.	591,979	null	136	[ 218703, 518268, 163085, 44123, 107199, 268551, 208194, 488719, 558161, 480530, 219272, 207903, 92486, 205948, 410008, 474925, 480543, 524195, 93695, 393000, 436074, 246244, 465419, 15510, 30395, 97811, 350566, 253605, 530561, 311926, 212231, 491071, 218720, 520161, 214380, 200596, 303552, 130869, 120987, 580740, 113815, 165732, 184355, 142107, 227387, 353350, 141856, 552122, 179750, 238243, 352672, 399156, 218685, 321990, 582764, 184111, 297959, 165731, 459790, 434946, 143859, 328665, 302312, 146548, 562845, 261505, 290649, 208191, 7309, 553284, 350561, 130351, 512381, 547669, 320005, 158076, 541613, 23385, 216322, 149727, 247215, 399547, 38421, 448963, 565068, 548779, 278055, 58722, 55716, 517096, 231841, 107121, 78320, 254815, 11189, 494581, 214409, 286510, 140231, 287515, 96974, 176937, 376145, 458859, 39669, 26173, 204708, 212218, 211438, 43873, 1122, 48503, 569407, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	I agree, <PERSON>, that listening to the types of <PERSON> voters you describe, taking their views into account and seeing where common ground can be found, is important.<br/><br/>But what you are not addressing is the asymmetry of such a view. Most liberals actually want to hear from all sides in a debate, weigh the views and the facts, and try to come to a consensus--that is basically characteristic of liberalism. (The stereotype of progressives sitting around endlessly debating pros and cons, and rarely getting to definitive action, does have more than a bit of humorous truth.)<br/><br/>It does not seem as if most <PERSON> supporters want to do the same. To them, there is no debate. They've been told by <PERSON> and others that their side is unequivocally right and the other side is unequivocally wrong--not only wrong, but dangerously threatening, and worthy of being suppressed by any means necessary, including censorship of viewpoints, creation of "alternative facts" from whole cloth, removal of the voting franchise, and, if necessary, violence.<br/><br/>Where are the <PERSON> voters who are interested in what progressives have to say? Where are the ones who will take those views into account?<br/><br/>Part of the reason, unfortunately, that progressives can't muster more political power is that the identity involves trying to achieve consensus in a big tent. <PERSON> supporters, and conservatives in general, have no worries as to that--they know what they want, and they go after that ruthlessly.	591,980	[ 591847, 591941, 591848, 591838, 591937 ]	242	[ 321817, 458795, 364605, 322096, 364872, 503212, 99090, 402605, 226924, 348367, 586819, 121021, 48567, 386982, 147889, 74403, 352882, 451066, 154916, 582548, 474935, 423796, 355900, 224223, 341403, 539391, 221830, 256214, 269426, 524183, 264786, 262779, 411956, 219748, 7117, 524039, 58314, 98719, 386296, 88720, 305307, 329237, 549093, 151374, 248604, 262776, 556863, 97011, 88702, 367339, 185571, 427477, 39975, 428182, 162949, 5497, 460767, 384734, 520893, 179989, 223234, 265122, 80640, 585141, 534868, 569751, 520452, 404572, 500443, 53418, 178966, 50181, 524215, 399648, 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nyt_comments_9848255.0	Yeah, yeah, yeah.<br/><br/>But what did you expect from <PERSON> and the burn-it-all troglodytes and oligarchs who whisper in his ears? It's not like he, and they, didn't tell you he, and they, would do this. And yet far too many of you voted for this miasma. Or didn't even bother to vote at all.<br/><br/>Get thee to a polling place in 2018. And before that, get thee to a Congressional Representatives office and complain long and loud. (Not only about this, but about voter suppression and health care and campaign finance reform and civil rights and everything else you know this idiot threatens.) There shouldn't be a representative or senator in this country who takes four steps without constituents getting up in his/her grille.<br/><br/>The full withdrawal from the climate accords cannot occur before 2020. If people go out and actually vote in 2018 and 2020, this can be prevented, or at least turned back. If not, be prepared to be despised by your children and grandchildren for leaving them a sauna of a world--assuming it lasts long enough to even HAVE grandchildren.	591,981	[ 591918 ]	7	[ 172307, 109091, 296462, 37309, 295067, 358932, 416620, 435664, 574382, 185519, 151126, 566216, 13123, 464782, 49513, 261261, 289368, 244432, 464964, 124991, 155870, 330981, 149734, 216372, 268715, 468309, 119820, 72888, 571911, 387153, 524021, 329314, 207903, 381991, 407506, 210990, 429293, 72744, 338968, 35402, 208194, 127507, 136169, 566225, 146679, 390217, 35122, 210988, 425957, 211271, 240844, 155930, 562830, 463285, 68002, 32626, 547796, 323034, 43685, 586433, 418275, 278019, 355627, 289006, 22654, 243803, 559838, 495224, 381897, 337575, 218565, 40685, 472579, 364239, 109282, 58344, 51654, 443772, 105511, 322102, 140923, 426411, 454164, 396383, 574783, 454088, 137201, 408184, 151913, 110235, 524236, 22459, 92686, 423071, 38299, 194842, 539234, 232539, 215754, 524147, 534155, 362231, 195864, 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nyt_comments_9860603.0	I joined REI in the 1960s. In those days we got mimeographed sheets every month or so with items. Around 1970 I was camping near Seattle and went to the "store". It was a big warehouse, but the man behind the desk knew right where the item I needed was. About 15 years later I went back and walked into a store with a fern bar.<br/><br/>I still shop at REI. People marvel at my low six digit number. I get good service at a good price. But I miss those days when we would pour over the mimeographed sheets and feel like members of an amazing family. <br/><br/>P.S. And don't forget the man who was their first "retailer" and then CEO - mountain climber <PERSON>.	591,982	[ 591977, 591975, 591979, 591973, 591974 ]	102	[ 380817, 74289, 345043, 319594, 8113, 567984, 373472, 195881, 1852, 565768, 256710, 590478, 339025, 537979, 149074, 218248, 271956, 7925, 516529, 86528, 349656, 102699, 351697, 167073, 136278, 28179, 590736, 77803, 255870, 130311, 335858, 3555, 407453, 20037, 24536, 475644, 71633, 1704, 262915, 2935, 258494, 9522, 6960, 431481, 99964, 155378, 494817, 305109, 150991, 351862, 119118, 257825, 443881, 490337, 223078, 315380, 392601, 58339, 457332, 277460, 36711, 83980, 537476, 326151, 74150, 489308, 131965, 569552, 102167, 584010, 13071, 2209, 28149, 450226, 85129, 517552, 156165, 375543, 93037, 128126, 152830, 173052, 135380, 583910, 405481, 58222, 312795, 493495, 276232, 531111, 7086, 449378, 311984, 155658, 132072, 62565, 584992, 390150, 584317, 92194, 44489, 240676, 364016, 579484, 378275, 99303, 451588, 155337, 320353, 474041, 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nyt_comments_9860603.0	In this case the President has many enablers. Our major newspapers and cable TV news programs have never seen a war they didn’t like. <br/><br/>FAIR (Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting) points out that “Five major US newspapers—the New York Times, Washington Post, USA Today, Wall Street Journal and New York Daily News—offered no opinion space to anyone opposed to <PERSON> Thursday night airstrikes. By contrast, the five papers ran a total of 18 op-eds, columns or “news analysis” articles (dressed-up opinion pieces) that either praised the strikes or criticized them for not being harsh enough.” They then remind us that MSNBC & CNN had a string of military brass and reporters who uncritically praised the strikes. <PERSON> and <PERSON> stand out. <a href="_URL_0_a-strikes-zero-are-critical/" title="_URL_0_a-strikes-zero-are-critical/" target="_blank">_URL_0_...</a><br/><br/>Yesterday morning The Intercept co-founder, <PERSON>, made the same criticism to <PERSON> on CNN. Not only did he criticize the TV coverage but he was especially critical of the parade of generals and colonels who get significant remuneration from defense companies. He suggested that when they come on TV the audience is made aware of the defense company boards they sit on and the companies they own or control. <a href="_URL_1_" title="_URL_1_" target="_blank">_URL_1_</a><br/><br/>Yes, President <PERSON> is a master of manipulating the media. 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nyt_comments_9860603.0	What if you’re wrong? It’s fine to be skeptical, but that doesn’t mean that you should not work to curb global warming. If your skepticism proves to be warranted, we can return to a fossil fuel driven economy. But, if your skepticism is shown to be unfounded, your inaction will help to condemn us to a dystopian future at best, and annihilation of the human race at worst. The real question is not one of science, but one of morality.	591,984	[ 591973, 591972 ]	72	[ 554214, 147338, 153678, 341507, 80656, 252561, 80493, 90589, 107147, 19753, 84378, 477820, 273169, 385735, 170153, 148545, 559633, 346601, 536112, 376261, 560224, 148152, 140146, 556171, 388713, 381361, 330490, 173000, 148847, 509835, 341521, 153820, 381140, 28956, 521772, 527445, 464842, 333466, 7024, 12923, 165287, 90032, 281980, 273003, 474410, 153105, 11170, 90034, 239778, 80916, 53285, 265275, 535169, 482060, 252067, 364541, 516365, 534936, 445102, 517679, 374083, 209037, 379230, 256348, 80869, 181155, 368529, 50794, 275246, 81793, 474902, 178210, 254798, 433837, 221053, 251472, 385715, 577756, 133035, 96951, 433975, 293775, 274790, 332851, 11007, 307395, 125257, 416047, 11004, 75504, 38858, 22102, 341554, 576297, 268168, 99114, 404385, 532205, 301862, 93102, 5965, 540861, 5760, 284631, 507472, 182568, 39562, 160302, 573115, 416048, 189994, 85666, 240770, 32086, 544604, 554260, 151878, 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nyt_comments_9860603.0	Talk about extremists! I question your use of the term “pro-life”. Besides being against abortion are you committed to providing healthcare, adequate nutrition and housing for all mothers both before and after birth? Are you committed to ensuring that the child that is born has healthcare along with adequate nutrition, shelter and education as they grow?<br/><br/>America has the highest infant and maternal mortality rates in the developed world. 40 percent of children in America live in poverty. And far too many of our children constantly live with the fear of being killed by a gun.<br/><br/>As Sister <PERSON> told <PERSON> so many years ago: “"I do not believe that just because you're opposed to abortion that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. … That's not pro-life. That's pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is." <br/><br/>Are you ready to engage in that broader conversation?	591,985	[ 591973, 591972 ]	142	[ 463050, 548304, 350945, 510159, 510166, 158589, 353349, 14677, 71504, 6373, 246949, 230991, 158228, 144517, 412001, 225584, 66964, 311621, 589808, 144148, 259808, 14672, 449116, 384105, 165456, 249794, 438719, 579267, 573826, 97914, 193314, 357836, 20114, 465494, 158211, 586848, 298908, 157801, 13065, 312863, 93539, 486549, 348339, 574061, 331528, 485195, 380391, 316173, 59936, 121277, 295804, 381365, 221671, 152279, 102497, 115506, 22380, 368050, 480335, 229642, 239531, 371545, 129500, 426345, 160234, 166030, 340317, 10958, 540621, 526997, 302860, 532800, 411441, 180111, 12191, 355243, 8810, 416836, 157746, 269781, 157745, 228667, 557799, 510211, 79437, 353334, 552069, 144241, 124953, 286635, 535430, 294802, 136475, 164684, 306576, 438566, 117876, 259646, 242789, 167550, 453621, 262812, 167552, 582622, 248082, 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nyt_comments_9860603.0	So what’s new? The United States has killed or had killed over 20 million people in 37 nations since WWII.: <a href="_URL_2_" title="_URL_2_" target="_blank">_URL_5_...</a>. <PERSON> has created a list showing that the United States has overthrown or attempted to overthrow governments in 57 countries since WWII: <a href="_URL_0_ts-the-master-list" title="_URL_0_ts-the-master-list" target="_blank">_URL_0_...</a>. And Investigative Journalist, <PERSON>, in a recent interview, explained what <PERSON>’s “military / industrial complex” means today. Corporations no longer view war as a national security necessity. They view war as a means of making obscene profits: <a href="_URL_1_" title="_URL_1_" target="_blank">_URL_3_...</a>.<br/><br/>We live in PERPETUAL WAR! <PERSON> is simply following a long tradition. What is new is his braggadocio and recklessness that announces to the world what other presidents have done in the shadows. To suggest that he is not in a long line of administrations that perpetuated perpetual war is fallacious.	591,986	null	84	[ 564142, 77607, 230880, 291508, 231844, 291515, 447896, 259970, 36978, 230074, 228966, 123908, 291481, 384660, 331601, 180595, 392119, 150864, 73500, 36958, 227902, 77612, 28554, 553033, 401552, 234584, 36872, 36991, 550852, 37106, 84358, 147771, 386648, 108928, 36881, 180589, 389622, 147723, 225797, 338496, 496681, 249650, 587398, 203227, 585093, 472981, 10326, 268180, 59052, 260297, 291482, 122227, 76931, 259990, 150897, 314238, 550355, 33043, 291446, 189139, 47528, 191100, 37466, 546646, 36781, 248417, 362104, 158830, 37053, 217776, 306866, 180597, 496757, 556668, 77557, 268175, 260040, 107981, 115481, 37044, 144482, 61064, 260123, 549086, 475875, 564546, 550364, 433893, 260102, 260176, 260069, 106802, 205142, 519506, 385646, 108000, 110735, 138364, 386711, 59537, 587215, 361988, 260171, 10374, 27270, 180591, 301851, 11118, 305198, 86859, 43202, 399254, 362257, 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nyt_comments_9860603.0	As soon as government web sites were scrubbed by the Trump administration the Canadian scientific community offered to help muzzled American scientists in any way they could, including advice gained from the 9 years under Mr. <PERSON>. This muzzling of Canadian scientists was never a big item in our main stream media - but scientists knew, as did the rest of the world. The Guardian reported on this muzzling right after the Inauguration: <a href="_URL_0_-support-to-muzzled-us-counterparts" title="_URL_0_-support-to-muzzled-us-counterparts" target="_blank">_URL_0_...</a>.	591,987	[ 591972 ]	151	[ 260034, 37597, 6635, 261412, 311065, 176591, 162648, 341520, 21993, 557402, 500410, 301748, 172454, 244368, 417368, 132302, 485688, 515515, 570703, 557403, 480541, 345335, 496736, 294035, 161796, 391027, 257340, 147069, 463245, 342064, 360383, 228966, 219250, 147008, 108291, 338615, 562180, 580731, 439632, 439730, 73530, 98420, 90648, 446452, 589180, 147227, 482174, 36803, 496490, 244345, 13151, 289553, 364282, 439716, 341525, 88538, 351972, 521853, 248668, 574546, 105529, 157583, 255513, 219152, 335560, 296617, 51490, 444146, 532764, 262272, 310227, 290132, 11056, 409538, 291397, 127335, 194230, 329847, 6920, 7231, 327710, 281521, 107981, 554218, 429661, 262291, 255833, 85935, 340130, 496727, 372835, 348178, 367466, 43202, 350769, 502343, 12198, 155581, 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nyt_comments_9860603.0	For the last 40 years we’ve been victims of a con perpetrated by the GOP. Have you noticed that when the Republicans have the White House it’s spend, spend, spend – with no regard for the debt. And the spending gravitates toward their base. So we have tax cuts for the wealthy, tax breaks for corporations while additional money is lavished on the military. Happy days are here again.<br/><br/>But once a Democrat becomes president the Republicans do a 180 degree about face. “Look at the size of the deficit” – which the GOP greatly increased. “We can’t afford social security, healthcare, a living wage. We’ve got to cut that debt!!!” <br/><br/>While a few of us get richer and richer, most of us get poorer and poorer – and the con goes on. <br/><br/>(Thom Hartmann calls this the “Two Santa Claus Theory”. 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nyt_comments_9860603.0	It’s ludicrous to think that strapping on a 9mm Glock or spending time shooting at paper targets makes one an effective shield when facing a deranged AR-15 armed terrorist. Even seasoned law enforcement officers, like the one at Stoneman Douglas High School, fail to perform in such cases. But that’s what the President and the NRA are suggesting. This is not about protection, it’s about money. A million armed teachers means money for a million Glocks – plus ammunition. And President <PERSON>, selling this NRA proposal, said that “practically for free you have now made a school into a hardened target.” <a href="_URL_0_" title="_URL_0_" target="_blank">_URL_1_...</a> <br/><br/>Teaching, being adept with guns, and being able to kill in a live active shooter situation require three very different occupations and skill sets.	591,989	[ 591972 ]	246	[ 485476, 425785, 140619, 268266, 43088, 525178, 496543, 270706, 90795, 541660, 189317, 402654, 59226, 541673, 36887, 355265, 82816, 515113, 113094, 340074, 245119, 541659, 108046, 544151, 90766, 228966, 203301, 349780, 59217, 59216, 301170, 110735, 13126, 243975, 203299, 78300, 8631, 479830, 281034, 335222, 512832, 90339, 90787, 89787, 13735, 573865, 217799, 118069, 141906, 114510, 549905, 415687, 381080, 37118, 344738, 457432, 393018, 409498, 108301, 442415, 383923, 262923, 33566, 180597, 230880, 362038, 108315, 588059, 250131, 515558, 586640, 157395, 287734, 66720, 587215, 467627, 3777, 130509, 344739, 51605, 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nyt_comments_9860603.0	Failing to see the forest for the trees. Yes, the Russian hacking could have had an effect on the election. But, as <PERSON> reminds us at <a href="_URL_0_" title="_URL_0_" target="_blank">_URL_0_</a>, there were 75,000 legal ballots in Detroit alone that were never counted because they were unreadable by the machines, but not by the human eye. In Michigan and Wisconsin no "spoiled" or provisional ballots were counted. And Pennsylvania never held a recount. And this is in just three states. <br/><br/>But it wasn’t just unreadable ballots. Voting suppression laws kept millions from being able to vote. The <PERSON> Crosscheck list used in at least 30 states disenfranchised at least another million voters, probably many more. And when these voters went to the polls – not knowing that they had been removed – they were given provisional ballots that were never counted. <br/><br/>This election was “hacked” before the first vote was ever cast. But don’t look at Russia, look at our disenfranchised voters and our corrupt election system. <PERSON> knows. 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nyt_comments_9860603.0	This article misses the point. <PERSON> is neither a politician nor a businessman. He is a con-artist, a grifter. And as such he uses language brilliantly. His hyperbole, his lies, his contradictions all build up <PERSON> – the man, the legend, the brand. His language plays to the yearning of many Americans to be able to believe in something that gives their lives meaning. As <PERSON>, author of “The Confidence Game”, puts it: “The genius (of con-men) lies in figuring out what, precisely, it is we want, and how they can present themselves as the perfect vehicle for delivering on that desire.” No wonder he is retaining 96% of his base. <a href="_URL_0_" title="_URL_0_" target="_blank">_URL_3_...</a> <br/><br/>Until we recognize what Mr. <PERSON> is really doing we will lose. When asked about 2020 Ms. <PERSON> said, “(Con-men like <PERSON>) appeal to people on a visceral, emotional level – and emotion trumps logic every time. … He’s going to win a second term.” <a href="_URL_1_on-artistry-gives-him-chance-win-second-term" title="_URL_1_on-artistry-gives-him-chance-win-second-term" target="_blank">_URL_1_...</a>.	591,991	null	120	[ 260065, 304710, 237466, 210601, 523342, 217747, 217769, 10326, 228966, 268176, 338492, 90830, 19924, 90858, 10374, 355262, 496696, 19937, 496757, 536173, 37106, 441626, 304706, 154591, 511851, 163752, 72593, 553033, 285877, 463933, 217834, 259031, 304715, 59537, 158830, 70690, 389881, 180589, 59167, 362037, 268175, 443697, 386695, 260145, 291530, 259989, 550388, 391169, 138364, 291446, 76929, 283008, 217809, 217810, 217832, 37143, 439777, 77607, 180597, 386711, 546646, 256354, 496726, 425785, 330194, 498407, 186955, 344739, 213841, 434263, 291539, 304700, 150897, 327780, 245682, 469735, 248668, 217815, 59199, 389878, 147723, 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nyt_comments_9869165.0	<PERSON>, <PERSON> and the Republican party are not interested in the truth, facts or the scientific method, so why would anyone think any nominee would be 'good' for this or any other cabinet position. Until people wake up and think critically about the statements and claims politicians in both parties make and vote accordingly, then every state in the US will continue to overwhelming fund prisons better than schools (per capita), consolidate schools and enlarge classrooms, and continue to fund their schools with lottery tickets and car washes.	591,992	null	195	[ 433883, 553045, 290688, 548747, 583992, 161948, 163832, 203554, 97987, 437158, 66561, 84239, 464343, 44109, 310665, 135589, 300335, 491753, 515018, 6215, 504583, 376561, 432146, 171316, 325630, 320811, 462632, 182787, 398904, 66871, 441177, 104964, 66572, 234836, 155798, 151539, 98405, 455577, 410734, 385729, 457291, 160818, 111059, 376581, 377288, 92593, 412115, 365020, 359791, 88061, 477345, 410525, 117802, 207177, 289141, 100744, 367096, 265083, 406964, 146362, 347770, 410864, 313486, 338280, 476648, 168625, 79619, 204290, 13206, 449233, 510469, 151541, 80649, 185904, 445012, 294558, 352715, 360837, 584555, 308047, 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nyt_comments_9869165.0	Repeal of the clean water regulation is <PERSON>'s work. He repeated the phrase 'end the war on coal' throughout his campaign. Why would he care so much about coal? There are less than 100,000 jobs in the entire coal extraction industry and less than 200,000 in the extended industry (extraction, transportation and utilities). With all due respect to the people in coal, that's not a meaningful number of jobs. Repeal of this law won't lead to higher wages, meaningful job growth or job security in the short term and ongoing growth of mechanization will eliminate much of the unskilled labor in the long term. All this does is increase health and environmental costs at a time when the Republican party would like to cut the Affordable Care Act and other healthcare spending. The repeal of this regulation and others exists only to benefit the corporations and individuals who own coal companies. It is a net loss to everyone else. It is a continuation of the Republican war on innovation and science.	591,993	null	237	[ 543310, 543308, 543309, 428094, 160581, 160659, 33597, 246255, 401950, 180440, 220570, 452908, 35359, 141363, 160700, 320035, 402177, 121625, 402020, 70514, 47089, 5981, 568762, 426289, 68280, 176395, 251074, 367153, 508277, 303798, 538176, 532851, 50040, 523209, 320036, 330928, 507272, 44211, 443316, 260496, 534185, 425735, 132507, 467510, 266663, 251790, 425765, 295712, 508278, 478598, 298611, 584822, 263219, 137500, 55669, 526078, 88257, 33546, 246220, 531434, 588519, 311407, 160540, 52167, 198955, 584973, 444482, 567637, 372062, 32150, 570462, 79643, 273824, 144269, 38806, 165010, 537207, 590052, 10454, 417733, 263779, 20538, 203769, 44802, 400237, 276129, 145002, 354398, 332207, 35005, 385756, 23689, 180140, 300469, 22371, 393986, 220814, 336286, 7011, 505089, 6991, 54787, 446212, 590337, 307280, 261491, 77433, 374257, 344700, 50068, 251075, 246939, 350996, 294881, 164378, 145497, 547366, 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nyt_comments_9869165.0	All seats in the National Security Council should be able to provide an unbiased, objective opinion of risk. Your comment insinuates that the military members of the council need to be contained by political members. What about <PERSON> makes you think he's interested in containment? He has stated that his agenda is anarchy and he is a propagandist of the worst sort. He has no place in a legitimate government much less the National Security Council.	591,994	[ 591988 ]	53	[ 26141, 534107, 320967, 532460, 209108, 25796, 557331, 44089, 446608, 52697, 13494, 214845, 84803, 446609, 140504, 340670, 351881, 17197, 464249, 356637, 52644, 145084, 587563, 463676, 236170, 242989, 145541, 280675, 319838, 301416, 443097, 320807, 425977, 301287, 472903, 470811, 445543, 16235, 22970, 21576, 517736, 228861, 221737, 139400, 107722, 18705, 8200, 331063, 580964, 514198, 428376, 308956, 548162, 199803, 24975, 258005, 503411, 83682, 403005, 349707, 93358, 353912, 212817, 406535, 52495, 133805, 189360, 281326, 118145, 221907, 230644, 151212, 301415, 271436, 220216, 180649, 431322, 193241, 281162, 340748, 211996, 199974, 5132, 439701, 411340, 446610, 400180, 25793, 369820, 24353, 494489, 258814, 61039, 108816, 120486, 402890, 569697, 74398, 215581, 303034, 540947, 163384, 527036, 579570, 109764, 244219, 230632, 558290, 532405, 212762, 547614, 297772, 249672, 260026, 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nyt_comments_9869165.0	Dear Congress,<br/>The cost of assault weapons in lost lives is immeasurable. It is an unconscionable national tragedy. Since the value of life only resonates with you as it relates to a fetus, then you need to assess the cost of assault weapons. After all, cost, money, dollars resonates with you. In 2006 the state of CT sponsored research to determine the cost of viable security technology. For a single school, security cameras $200K, remote access doors $10K, metal detectors $200K and a security person 25K/per annum, scan cards for students $200K, panic buttons $10K. Obviously, this doesn't include the cost of emergency services and this information is 12 years old, so consider this information a low ball estimate. As the steward of the nations' budget, you will agree that this cost needs to be recovered in an equitable manner. Here's how. The purchaser of any weapon that can hold a magazine should have to: pay for and pass a competency test, pay for a license, periodically pay for license renewal including competency test, insure the weapon, pay for the registration of the weapon at time of purchase and annually with registration renewal. Manufacturers of weapons and magazines should have to: pay for the startup cost of the national registration system including funding required to develop and implement competency testing, register all weapons and magazines manufactured and pay associated fees, and pay an annual fee for the maintenance of the national registration system.	591,995	[ 591990 ]	203	[ 296608, 542947, 158906, 472233, 495006, 273998, 66721, 214394, 305535, 588582, 426479, 467527, 162338, 574338, 20859, 464282, 566100, 11991, 83830, 121242, 1491, 580138, 488413, 426625, 184352, 295604, 392314, 453046, 278613, 430363, 418625, 426541, 244805, 360754, 106840, 580094, 488997, 459238, 156996, 188961, 123258, 478798, 323416, 387888, 141605, 482679, 322545, 321457, 57561, 48977, 503514, 170409, 302847, 539617, 424446, 588277, 267475, 266546, 174767, 510965, 353987, 418624, 487626, 163141, 2216, 510912, 68666, 144330, 152046, 388171, 191708, 283335, 9976, 380087, 241953, 311474, 113064, 61139, 62032, 460384, 478, 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nyt_comments_9869165.0	Gun control should be treated as a financial issue not a moral or legal issue. Gun sales, particularly guns that can hold a magazine clip, have inflicted a cost to the federal government, states and municipalities that is not being recovered in fees, taxes, penalties or other means of recovery. Think about the cost to arm and protect federal agents, state and local police; to protect federal and state employees, school children and teachers, travelers airports, citizenry at public events; to reimburse healthcare providers when tragedy strikes. Why should tax dollars and the credit of the US government (the national debt) be allowed to be misappropriated by Congress, state and local officials at the behest of the gun lobby (NRA, manufacturers, others)? The current regulatory environment is fiscally irresponsible.	591,996	[ 591990, 591987, 591988, 591991, 591989 ]	203	[ 588277, 87095, 330545, 390434, 194266, 304080, 170510, 160331, 247380, 112107, 48316, 436239, 224851, 387400, 487561, 440609, 20670, 257213, 121136, 235521, 305336, 482201, 346298, 518119, 400054, 121310, 30649, 129091, 121259, 121296, 265772, 98675, 234180, 261733, 144059, 247198, 121297, 506017, 238404, 288840, 401660, 121306, 343161, 337457, 37185, 342060, 22415, 396635, 72752, 194669, 107969, 303824, 155844, 547708, 49389, 580834, 121316, 83048, 223826, 514149, 167909, 449555, 147348, 460781, 108644, 52471, 424172, 121582, 278029, 121254, 488413, 404353, 251227, 369866, 263756, 467769, 29112, 535784, 51888, 65173, 95861, 180438, 42916, 548621, 156933, 394337, 39312, 433512, 507372, 431060, 207494, 318678, 192900, 64366, 65037, 366343, 468897, 532462, 313897, 411271, 93686, 144771, 9243, 158757, 512016, 170068, 226265, 543432, 530431, 36730, 506027, 60003, 279306, 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nyt_comments_9869165.0	Although I think <PERSON> is a poor candidate too, I don't think he's paranoid and delusional. His ideas will not advance this country but they won't create turmoil or destroy it. So, I agree with your comment. <PERSON> is a paranoid ego maniac, conspiracy theory believer guided by the anarchist <PERSON>, who is either in bed with the Russians or willingly playing along to advance his own agenda. <PERSON> cannot be trusted.	591,997	[ 591986, 591988 ]	120	[ 103937, 66120, 372229, 418359, 103939, 101952, 20625, 484562, 518431, 245880, 57304, 240971, 417419, 407971, 503211, 219437, 493984, 379533, 241886, 281380, 474472, 211742, 469944, 170934, 386587, 219074, 339033, 444981, 230696, 65821, 107080, 552485, 8237, 498469, 401128, 263062, 41957, 18894, 263061, 548309, 577654, 85549, 462953, 503175, 474154, 276474, 462948, 172951, 89942, 218440, 218700, 508702, 557924, 27793, 504995, 59343, 400110, 478252, 568580, 10442, 63599, 238213, 182889, 212574, 212547, 170249, 117703, 298887, 575599, 436847, 353070, 440321, 135815, 486535, 467115, 374714, 248838, 383702, 362579, 187597, 339380, 140929, 464205, 592144, 174815, 159932, 511602, 559143, 230739, 94291, 329337, 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nyt_comments_9869165.0	I don't know much about solar panel manufacturing but I do know that production lines staffed with a lot people is unlikely. Manufacturing jobs, like so many other jobs, are being automated. So even if the intent of this tariff is to protect US solar panel production, and not purposely damage the solar industry by making it uncompetitive to oil and gas as other commentators have suggested, it is unlikely that it will lead to more jobs.	591,998	[ 591992, 591984, 591987, 591986, 591991, 591990, 591989 ]	113	[ 94931, 350530, 550369, 348701, 49975, 459659, 22691, 543493, 358258, 21945, 425733, 332196, 238644, 366951, 168906, 303798, 169813, 92612, 373006, 128271, 256079, 488949, 321981, 250477, 29746, 154983, 146611, 380470, 306165, 20767, 331633, 244694, 510923, 286493, 92961, 94665, 8479, 322411, 441959, 378566, 275030, 24631, 506092, 270474, 145002, 13027, 380635, 263215, 469245, 480290, 25394, 147355, 366745, 227568, 145344, 86135, 92605, 461495, 568144, 388098, 312507, 345870, 19076, 332192, 168221, 37496, 429781, 344480, 32078, 535760, 31817, 365798, 459947, 213474, 518122, 416818, 261189, 425765, 546581, 247872, 516804, 11129, 40987, 241960, 92613, 508436, 20890, 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nyt_comments_9869165.0	How has <PERSON> ruled on cases involving the environment, civil rights...things that matter. What does he think of Citizens United? Where are these questions and the reporting on them. NPR's coverage leads me to believe that he's conservative but fair. And the fact that he's conservative should surprise no one. The whole mess with <PERSON> is over. Move on. No evidence has yet been reported that should cause a Democrat not to vote for <PERSON>. Political vendetta's have gotten this country no where and only facilitated the election of the Zero President, <PERSON>. Republicans already have enough explaining to do to their constituents thanks to <PERSON> and their legislative incompetence. In the meantime, the Democrats should get to work on governing and articulate a strategy that captures what voters wanted in 2016 but did not get and that the Republican's will never provide as evidenced by Republicare, executive cabinet appointments and a so-called budget proposal.	591,999	[ 591986, 591988 ]	116	[ 475960, 506483, 520009, 274720, 419410, 241575, 402667, 419126, 205117, 339855, 61608, 320553, 61609, 364449, 462536, 462535, 221753, 440182, 520006, 58352, 329277, 445483, 554897, 380028, 327008, 524057, 133178, 524232, 466058, 319182, 529124, 456597, 457072, 344318, 511136, 194764, 405423, 421005, 448086, 183258, 518431, 232079, 33990, 55388, 62670, 443749, 135464, 347022, 465855, 5828, 473515, 381435, 7915, 496536, 121574, 500226, 20595, 534349, 462441, 165327, 412190, 419201, 318706, 190680, 121050, 200627, 9181, 198613, 215912, 121458, 533514, 149602, 177308, 7194, 433902, 442470, 553719, 78521, 419443, 82436, 216781, 324932, 162197, 219708, 437173, 388046, 307920, 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nyt_comments_9869165.0	The Oscars are not representative of society and they never were. What's changing in the Oscars that the columnist is uncomfortable with is that there is an attempt being made to make the Oscars representative of society's demographics. Equating low ratings for a televised award show to the struggle between conservatism and liberalism or progressivism is ridiculous. NASCARs ratings for the Daytona 500 were in the tank and track attendance has been declining for years. Extrapolate a relationship for me? Only in the perpetually anguished and offended, biased mind of a 'conservative' does low ratings of the Oscars mean something more than people were doing something else. This column is the ranting of someone past his prime, showing his age and bias, and his longing for the good ol' days of his youth when the cast of a movie shared his complexion. It is a weak attempt and a failure. The fact that it got published may only be a signal that this is the Autumn of the NY Times. I hope it's not.	592,000	[ 591986, 591988, 591985 ]	58	[ 427662, 180265, 462515, 146451, 158174, 573349, 205323, 432604, 375723, 359977, 227618, 589012, 246494, 405068, 87402, 42160, 147986, 521992, 339062, 511537, 333037, 179884, 183920, 280648, 174271, 263231, 212946, 87888, 118251, 340101, 260221, 53530, 321386, 345903, 451322, 559849, 51916, 246633, 550199, 534203, 31522, 471171, 545625, 583870, 89113, 107068, 178331, 150160, 402769, 509605, 185210, 50340, 244895, 591924, 358001, 211594, 452950, 558521, 442061, 218470, 583722, 174286, 477930, 469571, 563345, 84312, 17675, 539840, 302715, 45763, 29998, 244092, 139238, 42086, 534211, 449225, 175291, 52113, 165127, 196289, 65415, 540824, 420039, 541845, 152068, 181468, 135680, 472652, 471108, 137386, 89003, 334458, 379481, 292437, 202391, 392068, 123542, 516574, 46488, 531584, 573855, 269727, 462881, 491207, 542099, 394149, 232149, 50008, 366774, 89375, 484104, 461854, 131603, 547442, 83356, 375307, 100342, 420572, 135162, 474016, 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nyt_comments_9869165.0	"In the second case I’m thinking of <PERSON> distinctive links to Islamic cultures, both African and Southeast Asian, which clearly informed his hope (and the hope of some of his supporters) that his mere election might radically change America’s image in the Muslim world and enable a broader shift in how Washington approached that region’s governments and people." What are you talking about? Who thought this? <PERSON> won by a landslide in 2008. The concept that "he was an agent of <PERSON>" was a myth perpetuated by racists and right wing republicans to influence the hopelessly uninformed, terminally incurious and, unfortunately, large population of gullible Americans in order to undermine the <PERSON> presidency. There is nothing to contrast between <PERSON> and <PERSON>. The only lies and conspiracy in the <PERSON> administration come from within it. Plain and simple. This column is nonsense and an attempt to portray this scandal as a misunderstanding. But here's the thing <PERSON>, whether <PERSON> and his team naively or intently participated with the Russians, it proves that <PERSON> and his administration are unfit to lead this country (as if his entire hateful, hopeless campaign of nationalism without intelligent, viable ideas and his complete lack of honesty, dignity and grace while in office to date weren't enough).	592,001	[ 591988, 591986 ]	120	[ 134302, 19646, 207522, 292263, 182834, 23142, 459820, 207738, 136593, 175417, 340708, 474828, 164991, 272325, 231841, 344209, 553242, 247726, 136424, 19029, 240972, 502953, 465655, 529997, 234744, 177744, 219764, 592303, 455510, 524655, 560299, 69428, 6097, 472674, 511331, 401420, 324942, 180735, 416925, 421362, 552731, 396904, 391813, 570559, 372019, 7583, 580640, 326814, 127824, 439412, 35311, 490927, 181484, 481525, 162325, 57030, 378126, 211690, 423986, 280455, 576097, 441615, 417125, 580439, 75025, 192555, 287076, 214902, 57263, 353917, 82376, 518682, 231655, 520576, 417004, 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nyt_comments_9869165.0	Everything that the republicans and <PERSON> do is an attempt to undermine President <PERSON>'s legacy. The funny thing is that they can't get any of it right or do better, so they're enhancing his legacy even as they undermine what's in the best interest of the American people. President <PERSON> was a leader respected by the world except the fools who are now running and ruining this country.	592,002	[ 591988 ]	100	[ 552275, 157320, 211571, 514933, 197487, 433053, 199402, 99174, 441738, 318662, 347970, 227477, 361145, 104009, 198361, 70187, 198595, 211523, 474133, 479653, 464818, 289371, 543086, 390101, 511393, 56098, 410774, 217651, 511290, 356740, 311958, 10037, 165257, 165186, 42828, 277535, 539625, 535931, 524039, 312412, 238488, 131999, 170942, 138944, 8331, 893, 195730, 329776, 2574, 490036, 374759, 194041, 279915, 533119, 251934, 342805, 81145, 573252, 486367, 532868, 532339, 275744, 539283, 379754, 430223, 359570, 201075, 31293, 215864, 285902, 149414, 290367, 44646, 222330, 579314, 244606, 10036, 157264, 138504, 460977, 174249, 103049, 474559, 124224, 163461, 476387, 68908, 111210, 352274, 391934, 476295, 479960, 212690, 458864, 421473, 297174, 134018, 560387, 165100, 369490, 488176, 267489, 413389, 465846, 284639, 266324, 245131, 60780, 212466, 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nyt_comments_987051.0	Last year I was invited to a trial for a gut condition. It involved having a colonoscopy before and after taking an oral medication for a period of time. On top of that, half the group would be getting a placebo. Concluding this was too much to ask, I declined and asked whether I could take the pills and report back on my results. They said no. On their behalf, however, they were taking folks over 80 years old.	592,003	[ 591995, 591994, 591999, 592000 ]	154	[ 129177, 171207, 361654, 73072, 278628, 250810, 153832, 422905, 123325, 49390, 438145, 306136, 9919, 442951, 461721, 328605, 478585, 425202, 305780, 394693, 463357, 180383, 531421, 285715, 348760, 481401, 219691, 431474, 568376, 454732, 322257, 209809, 368068, 576127, 209823, 142472, 151797, 569372, 73085, 366607, 162973, 347346, 270803, 346625, 269127, 406401, 70828, 427065, 291924, 30264, 122729, 219492, 163419, 18036, 550629, 129205, 262934, 122735, 3151, 276686, 136986, 399003, 153892, 586220, 394594, 132985, 551590, 442960, 335217, 576177, 269519, 290110, 472605, 112266, 488327, 153819, 168330, 587712, 219030, 351588, 573729, 91920, 466892, 399433, 129173, 115665, 518691, 180497, 22426, 120376, 24833, 410663, 109977, 228866, 428986, 53936, 518627, 382342, 67396, 387449, 321702, 410348, 247270, 361229, 16184, 256010, 465291, 540234, 122562, 103528, 523050, 230971, 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nyt_comments_987051.0	<PERSON>, I think you will find that credit unions are paying increasing attention to security for those who pay bills online. For example, several kinds of alerts are available which can show when your ID was successfully used and when someone else may have tried to use it. <br/><br/>Also, many credit unions and banks are using the so-called two factor authentication where you can receive a phone call or text giving you a unique code to enter along with your password to log on. You can elect to bypass this on your own computer and have it work only with access from another one, as when you are traveling. Although doing online banking when away from home is not recommended.<br/><br/>There are also little fobs that plug into a USB port that will send you a unique code to be used as above.	592,004	[ 592000, 591998, 591995, 591993, 591999, 591996, 591997 ]	119	[ 282950, 348137, 165988, 62553, 95488, 432181, 278782, 116125, 46942, 324515, 116999, 55253, 59038, 95365, 13171, 72108, 146793, 151831, 36483, 527899, 395061, 571473, 159755, 324897, 286542, 358955, 265315, 300139, 73440, 583885, 507501, 155923, 264088, 591891, 574125, 138844, 383201, 160908, 151327, 47437, 385642, 105104, 265494, 512696, 151918, 468987, 385393, 565317, 25489, 193326, 250154, 379952, 13170, 9921, 385911, 123956, 455642, 582613, 294760, 2105, 368140, 249958, 151843, 264892, 586427, 465936, 322564, 381497, 508955, 583935, 138864, 62549, 323512, 244929, 290030, 491534, 490329, 166283, 129607, 296007, 200890, 151920, 81487, 5994, 202131, 499208, 96787, 454013, 149798, 109111, 240794, 359337, 564581, 396615, 110039, 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nyt_comments_987051.0	"Both Mr. <PERSON>’s rhetoric and actions as president bear more than a passing resemblance to those of Mr. <PERSON> during his first years consolidating power."<br/><br/>Would you not agree that Mr <PERSON> had a much more difficult job ahead of him than does <PERSON>? <PERSON> had to clean up after the <PERSON>/<PERSON>/IMF looting, while all <PERSON> has to do is sign whatever the GOP puts in front of him while continuing to make deals on the side.	592,005	[ 591993, 591994 ]	112	[ 443002, 341868, 587893, 239540, 393530, 325905, 579860, 102744, 244471, 166260, 99306, 319939, 42948, 6256, 208331, 273964, 325873, 42911, 525553, 100133, 106432, 154484, 196739, 318148, 150829, 515494, 6805, 99573, 476158, 395958, 149548, 501620, 583040, 39860, 411829, 99487, 457126, 154083, 131535, 404835, 300481, 419747, 272428, 370961, 565123, 104248, 18409, 343566, 225184, 553235, 212186, 500568, 325055, 286361, 446143, 119765, 301609, 137543, 449143, 84403, 493860, 28213, 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nyt_comments_987051.0	I remain skeptical about the Russia collusion issue that is now a hard Washington Narrative. The <PERSON> boogey-man theory remains a handy diversion from what is being done across the country by the president's underlings. <br/><br/>The intel agencies record everything, yet all we have is an "assessment" by some hand-picked analysts from three agencies. Buried in that report is the following disclaimer:<br/><br/>"Judgments are not intended to imply that we have proof that shows something to be a fact. Assessments are based on collected information, which is often incomplete or fragmentary, as well as logic, argumentation and precedents."	592,006	[ 591994 ]	65	[ 195236, 268216, 136736, 18899, 481120, 456577, 99169, 11438, 571822, 80640, 417995, 11437, 316112, 298165, 272603, 323019, 555015, 303812, 293866, 11441, 376458, 511220, 147073, 218312, 80894, 280937, 172286, 136493, 136700, 311549, 420610, 444661, 466727, 194553, 353718, 80637, 246055, 80922, 249255, 70768, 537149, 474651, 293945, 144178, 19739, 185005, 206638, 80912, 136146, 364436, 104849, 511253, 70190, 307153, 318073, 318751, 392193, 588938, 240982, 374724, 430699, 496611, 52752, 419697, 371294, 85709, 396172, 108234, 519314, 306775, 346403, 293859, 315921, 225259, 177493, 549087, 188730, 344570, 233015, 125078, 275719, 366862, 175345, 381274, 406714, 367768, 457243, 508478, 417141, 278549, 381387, 589821, 172657, 475434, 422568, 241111, 210022, 15524, 410194, 145294, 474978, 367827, 479954, 170504, 145391, 502603, 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nyt_comments_987051.0	Someone needs to emphasize that while the ACA applies to only about 7% of Americans, the Republicans intend to go much further by weakening both Medicaid and Medicare, affecting many more than the 20 million on the ACA. <br/><br/>Tax cuts for the wealthy resulting from the loss of the subsidies and penalties that were part of the ACA will be small beans compared with what they do to the rest of the safety net.	592,007	[ 591994 ]	155	[ 454239, 319881, 70249, 60191, 448573, 69199, 36104, 224395, 70799, 16052, 551343, 33946, 505641, 407636, 542448, 65719, 228673, 228470, 129720, 224396, 382864, 265803, 448174, 590324, 224310, 448586, 33129, 278024, 45626, 382833, 383709, 200698, 333098, 512175, 285033, 66038, 20380, 9679, 265804, 357592, 522776, 33231, 504107, 589707, 209221, 200732, 269393, 260377, 409709, 323054, 200720, 488910, 69840, 16702, 66178, 448522, 394047, 443826, 56739, 200723, 471973, 448585, 534341, 271345, 260763, 22467, 357881, 123795, 553624, 217994, 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nyt_comments_987051.0	"Readers, on the other hand, face the serious test of whether they can show tolerance for views they don’t like, even those they fear are dangerous."<br/><br/>It is not a matter of not liking conservative views; but knowing they are mostly wrong. For example, the mother and father of all being "Cutting taxes produces more revenue" and "We have the best health care in the world".<br/>As for being dangerous, they are so by routinely misinforming the public.	592,008	[ 591994 ]	242	[ 298362, 192833, 448127, 399226, 158439, 372092, 482383, 123945, 471583, 345379, 136818, 451915, 483381, 524215, 120574, 352748, 275206, 375863, 473866, 39384, 578450, 354887, 588439, 64257, 521012, 252319, 424761, 546269, 519293, 276387, 537447, 551053, 571730, 28438, 21641, 467888, 111298, 575065, 445362, 112792, 11797, 289286, 449862, 374128, 444038, 22467, 274583, 453383, 391961, 351980, 56809, 570363, 224397, 267371, 588907, 374261, 364872, 5860, 334417, 224223, 503212, 40825, 441347, 413608, 212041, 456590, 334416, 207472, 5568, 66645, 27070, 248619, 168721, 355900, 451542, 474935, 494537, 483485, 535173, 64614, 480257, 247984, 511025, 117136, 335405, 439121, 582570, 437682, 416842, 460767, 142499, 339432, 5425, 295187, 65977, 588927, 195798, 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nyt_comments_987051.0	"We are mired in low growth because of two simple factors: smaller increases in the labor force and softening improvements in the efficiency of our workers."<br/><br/>I thought our problem was low demand from the public. Most people have seen little growth in wages and many are working in the service economy for low wages. The Fed is dumping money on Wall Street and they are sitting on it. <br/><br/>Trump mentioned 'pump priming' the other day but lots of that goes to suppliers of Endless War. Now he talks about large cuts in the safety net which will leave people with even less money to spend.	592,009	[ 591994, 591993 ]	12	[ 87873, 274511, 44842, 309424, 15991, 274524, 567252, 225713, 256502, 582888, 570065, 148345, 563711, 398863, 247324, 106698, 248965, 148914, 368955, 409953, 387410, 278315, 520217, 141331, 220956, 292255, 87869, 264819, 51129, 386757, 177907, 224778, 28377, 126191, 451132, 541346, 477243, 377425, 156308, 209253, 461938, 177911, 456256, 457032, 157548, 148152, 180222, 315798, 586055, 515512, 492372, 213348, 419706, 317170, 500397, 565429, 343677, 404174, 375523, 456243, 196918, 566437, 298149, 591875, 448979, 163136, 334990, 50479, 392036, 456244, 197935, 422154, 228924, 440605, 386769, 282829, 479916, 56145, 25053, 501830, 54365, 44736, 136506, 148454, 442320, 192276, 432382, 276328, 508817, 372388, 32310, 272973, 277763, 448004, 86909, 123793, 51022, 582884, 18222, 543531, 522351, 196849, 338579, 148519, 378182, 32900, 50906, 584690, 188376, 141190, 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Most TImes readers would agree that the <PERSON> presidency will be the worst thing for the United States since Fort Sumter was fired upon. But you know what the problem is? We're not representative of the nation. While a considerable number of people in the US share this view, another considerable number of people don't. And an even larger number of people just don't care. These non-carers are the biggest barrier in keeping the country from imploding. They don't vote, are disengaged politically and likely in many other ways, narrowly focused on the minutiae of their own lives (often, I suspect, on making ends meet), and either lack the capacity for nuanced analysis of how these far away events impact them or simply don't register these events as important to their lives. Instead, they go on existing, with their televisions (on which <PERSON> appears as just another pass-the-time entertainment option) as background noise and their smartphones as distraction, trying to grab some pleasure from their day-to-day circumstances, sometimes falling into problematic situations and trying to extricate themselves, but not seeing themselves as part of a larger society or narrative. I have no doubt that if we could get a majority of the American public actually ENGAGED, there might be better outcomes to a <PERSON> presidency--maybe even its end. But how do you get so many tuned-out people to understand that nations fail when too many tune out? That's the big question.

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"Equality may be self-evident, but it has never been self-executing". Therein lies some of the answer to <PERSON> discussion with other here on how to best advance the cause of racial/class equality. The psychological theory of cognitive dissonance states that generally, changes in behavior do not follow changes in attitudes; rather, changes in attitude follow changes in behavior. In other words, it's more effective to throw people together and have them interact in all their complexities, as the observations picked up from those interactions will be incompatible--dissonant--with stereotyped (i.e., racist/classist) attitudes and then (slowly) attitudes will change to be more consonant with behavior. What this translates into is more along the lines of "get 'em by the laws, and their hearts and minds will follow". Sure, there may be some initial resistance to those changes in law, but over time having to deal with people as wholes, rather than as stereotypes, leads to change in attitude. It's certainly arguable that this is what resulted in widespread acceptance of gay marriage, for example--dealing day to day with gay people in all their human complexity, others discovered they had hopes, dreams, feelings, and frailties just like everyone else. To be on our way to solve, or at least to lessen, the racism/ethnocentrism/ classism of this society we all need to mix more. A LOT more. And that starts with more anti-discriminatory law and regulation, not less.

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The various marches tomorrow will all involve wonderful optics, and may well serve as a balm to the despair freely floating around progressive circles right now. But if that's all they do, they will ultimately be inconsequential. The real purpose of these marches (as I try to remind everyone I can) is to meet people with whom you may not agree entirely, but who share enough concerns about the incoming administration that they are allies in most respects. And allies, by definition, form alliances. These marches required the exercising of organizational skills, and they are about extending these organizational skills in the battle to dump <PERSON>. They may differ in some details of their agendae, but presumably all would agree that a <PERSON> administration is NAGI (Not A Good Idea) and should be replaced as fast as possible. And that requires concerted action, networks set up as a result of putting together these marches, new partnerships formed in the meeting of the previously unmet. Remember those who protested for civil rights and against the war back in the prehistoric age (the 60's)? They didn't all agree on everything. But they agreed certain things were intolerable, and worked on those. (And they WERE considerably effective in gaining civil rights advances and causing the country to withdraw from a war.) Don't despise. ORGANIZE.

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I appreciate the analogy to "Yes, Minister" (eventually, "Yes, Prime Minister")--the bureaucracy of civil servants, despite their peccadillos, did manage to restrain the impulses of the title character--but there is one important difference: the title character as portrayed generally acted from the heart, with what he thought were the best interests of the nation in mind, even if he sometimes had trouble grasping the consequences. Mr. <PERSON> has no heart to act from, and he's definitely not going to act with the best interests of the nation in mind, but with the aggrandizement of the <PERSON> name and brand in mind. And, yes, in so doing, chaos and incompetence may be a bigger threat than willful, purposeful fascism from <PERSON>. But the same cannot be said of the people he is appointing to the executive branch, or of the Republican congressional leadership. These people are purposeful, sympathetic to fascism, and will attempt to distract the ego-starved orange one with shiny objects long enough to get his signature on bills and executive orders designed to buttress the plutocracy and the continued disenfranchisement of what they consider the undeserving rabble. Anyone who believes in Truth, Justice, and the American Way and wants to see it survive this administration better don a cape now.

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One important distinction not made here--the difference in derision directed towards "ascribed" characteristics vs. directed at "achieved" characteristics. Ascribed characteristics are those we are born into, or have no volitional control over. Examples: gender identity, sexual preference, racial category, nationality, body type, physical challenge; these may also include religious/socioeconomic status one is born into, though those may be more amenable to volitional influence. Achieved characteristics are not born into or fixed. Many aspects of personality fall into this category, as do one's public statements, conscious behavioral responses, and attitudes. We are a lot less tolerant of contempt/derision towards ascribed characteristics because it's perceived as blaming people for things they have little or no control over. However, contempt directed at achieved characteristics is fair game, as people have choice over these, and can choose differently. Trump too often directs his scorn at the ascribed. Limiting derision to the achieved allows it to be comic or satirical, rather than just mean spirited. And criticism of those things over which <PERSON> has choice--tweets, Cabinet picks, etc., are allowable; most agree that's it an achieved characteristic to choose to insult people's ascribed characteristics, so criticism of THAT is justified. (It's hard to choose not to be born female, or Muslim, or in a wheelchair.)

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"America first." Many, maybe most, people hear that and think, what could be wrong with that? Certainly, our officials should place the interests of the country before those of any other nation. The problem, of course, is when such officials conflate their own interests with the interests of the nation. And when they see interests as a zero sum game--if we don't get for ourselves, "they"--whatever "they" is in vogue at the time--will. Often the "they" is not only people outside the borders, but groups inside, actually part of the nation, that are somehow seen as not part of it, as illegitimate. (Germany's Jews, remember, predominantly thought of themselves as citizens of the fatherland, like any others, and very well-integrated into societal institutions.) A little nationalism may be fun at the Olympics, but patriotism IS the last refuge of the scoundrel. And the first refuge of the despot.

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"There’s so much substantive ground on which to confront <PERSON>. There are acres upon acres. Why swerve into the gutter? Why help him dismiss his detractors as people in thrall to the theater of their outrage and no better than he is?" Frank, I agree with you in principle, but I have to admit it seems like the rules of discourse have shifted, perhaps permanently. I used to think, as I think many liberals and progressives still do, that it is good to go high when "they" go low, that if we simply expressed our points in their obvious logic and reasonableness, they would eventually win the day. But in an age of "truthiness" and "alternative facts", in which large masses of people apparently do not have the ability to separate actual fact from chaff, this seems more and more like bringing a position paper to a gunfight. Never mind that the outrageous has become so ho-hum that getting people wrapped up in their multiple screens to EVEN notice an expressed position or a factual refutation is quite heavy lifting. Nowadays it may be that only really cutting satire, shocking language, or humiliating visuals can get people roused enough to notice, much less to stand for or against (the wit of the marches' signage may be an indicator of that--a well-turned phrase moves more people than a white paper analysis). And while I prefer logical argument, it may be that you have to get down into the gutter to confront the rats, because, unfortunately, that's where they are.

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Due to the pace of technologic change, and the pace of social change, and the ability, thanks to expanded personal media, of even the less interested to immediately be made aware of every last little depredation, it's not surprising that those who are uncomfortable with change have a lot to be uncomfortable about, and what they are uncomfortable with they tend to fear. And fear leads to an inward, isolationist, circling the wagons response in many. The real question is why so many think the proper response is to destroy, to mow the field, rather then to adapt. The mowed field, after all, will just regenerate, and often with tougher weeds.

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We've gotten so used to paying low, low prices for stuff we've forgotten that the prices are low because the makers of the stuff get paid low, low wages. I'm not a fan of redressing this through tariffs, which I think historically lead to a non-virtuous cycle, with international ill will thrown in for good measure. I much prefer some version of a Value Added Tax on consumables with certain necessities excluded. We already do this to a certain extent with sales taxes exempted on most foodstuffs; we could expand the exemption category and slap larger VAT's on luxury items (i.e., jewlery, certain vehicle classes, even homes of large square footage). And, while this is so obvious is may not even be worth discussing, a series of TRULY progressive income tax brackets on very high income--and capital gains treated as ordinary income for tax purposes--would go a long ways towards rectifying our revenue problem. And we DO have a revenue problem when it comes to public funds, not a spending problem. (I have no qualms about simplifying the tax codes, both personal and corporate, but affluent people, and corporations, have to pay a bigger share--complaints that the corporate tax rates are too high mean nothing when the law structure allows most corporations to avoid the rates.)

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Absolutely, sdavidc9. Education and insight is the enemy of the rapacious capitalist, the grifter, and the demagogue. So there are plenty of those working hard to make sure that such education will not come to pass; might hurt the profit margin and the power grab. It's enough to make one wonder if <PERSON> was underestimating the rate at which suckers are created. The bigger problem, though, is the Social Darwinist mindset that posits suckers deserve what is coming to them, and there shouldn't be any practices or mandates to try to slow down sucker formation, or increase savvy, because "that's just not the way the world works--the strong and smart survive and prosper and the weak and ignorant get taken"--or eaten. Not every nation has this ethos, but in Calvinist America, we're particularly unsympathetic to the average.

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Yup. Time to stop being so nice and polite. This is, of course, an occupational hazard among Democrats and progressives--the belief that a well-reasoned and politely delivered argument will win hearts and minds through its obvious logical superiority. This belief runs aground, though, on the primacy of the reptilian part of the human brain that acts on emotion rather than logic. Republican obfuscators are aware of this primacy. It's why their appeals are all emotive, all fear-activating. Logic? An unnecessary encumbrance. As has been said so many times that it's becoming a tired cliche, Democrats, stop bringing knives to gun fights. Time to fight fire with fire. Do the work and the investigations, and then trumpet (pun intended) the results in the most emotive and fear-mongering way possible. At least the fears that would be trumpeted in that way would have the virtue of being true.

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Quite spot on Bruce. I too wonder how people let themselves be so easily manipulated, although, given my career-based familiarity with research in psychology, I do know that there are some mechanisms that have been delineated. Still, it would be harder to do so if people didn't already have ready-made narratives to dampen the cognitive dissonance. Another column in the Times today discusses one major narrative--the globalist vs. nationalist viewpoint divide--and how that enables people to fit "alternative facts" into a worldview: <a href="_URL_0_" title="_URL_0_" target="_blank">_URL_0_</a> (The political question of whether the nation state is still the best organizing principle for governing people, is, I admit, compelling in an era of rapid travel, even more rapid communication, and corporations that operate across traditional borders.)

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This is what happens when you allow a Calvinist/Social Darwinist viewpoint to overwhelm the political system. The United States, almost uniquely in the world, has an elite that believes its an Elect, and acts accordingly. What that means is that it places the entire blame for poverty within the impoverished individual, in keeping with the Calvinist idea that one's worthiness for God's favor and heaven is reflected in the amount of material possessions and wealth accumulated on Earth. If one has a lot of this, one has obviously been smiled upon by God. And if one does not have this, one has obviously NOT been smiled upon by God, and, moreover, is not worthy of any help from other humans, because, in this circular reasoning, one has not been smiled upon by God and is unworthy of help. Our "Elect" don't often make this argument in a direct theological way, but one can see the viewpoint in the "If you're so smart, why aren't you rich?" ethos of so many of our oligarchs. If the poor don't survive well, it's because they're too dumb, lazy, inferior, etc., and they don't deserve a handout. In fact, many of our oligarchs are Dickensian enough to enact policy that speeds the dissolution and deaths of the poor, as "those" people are sucking up resources that should "rightly" accrue to their greedy selves. This Calvinist mentality is particularly common among the big Republican donor cohort. It's influence needs to be minimized if we are ever to attack deep poverty.

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The Democrats did not have a very strong hand to play here from the beginning. And then, as is their wont, they misplayed that hand anyway. The punditocracy severely overestimates the degree of sympathy for the Dreamers among persuadable voters. The middle of the road <PERSON> Trump supporters whose votes might be in play (not the evangelical true believers or the libertarian oligarchs) have some sympathy for those 800 thousand young people--but not that much, and certainly not enough to compete with the idea that a shutdown "hurts America". (Remember, these are people who are rather ambivalent about the whole immigration thing--they are uneasy about cultural change, the rise of a black/brown majority, economic competition . . .) So, shutting down government to defend immigrants "who are not even full Americans" was not going to play well. There's have been a much better chance to gain support if this had been spun, from the beginning, as being primarily about getting funding for CHIP. And some efforts to that effect were made by some smarter and more realistic strategists. But apparently these people didn't control the messaging. So Democrats pretty much shot themselves in the feet, as usual. The hope is, though, that this was of short enough duration that memory of it will be overwhelmed by a million other Trumpian things before election day rolls around, and it will have not eroded a clear Democratic advantage.

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Usually, it's about the economy, stupid. But for Democrats nowadays, it's also about immigration policy, stupid--though that is connected to voters' economic concerns. Democratic strategists simply underestimate how fear of a black and brown planet among white working class voters often drives their voting decisions. These are swing voters, and they are in play; they are not lockstep libertarian diehards or evangelical Christians. <PERSON> got many more of them than <PERSON> did by appealing to those worried about cultural change that from their point of view is coming too fast and in a zero sum manner. (And, of course, the degree to which that change was symbolically represented by an African American President cannot be underestimated.) Yes, the Republican/Kochtopus/Faux News establishment gleefully fans these flames to distract from its oligarchic agenda, pitting white working class voters against other working class voters. Yes, a closer analysis of the immigrant newbies indicates they take jobs "natives" can't or won't do, so the economic competition trope is suspect. But immigration policy is the only area in which the Democratic party as a whole has moved left over the past decade. (There was a time not long ago that many Democrats supported tough restrictions.) And this leaves behind a number of voters who might otherwise vote Democratic. Much more effort must be taken to communicate that the immigrant is not a bogeyperson, but a strength.

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With your almost casual aside--"Americans wants to support the Dreamers, but only up to a point, that point being disruption. Republicans know this. They can feel the softness of many Americans’ moral convictions on the subject of Dreamers"--you've hit the nail on the head, Charles. Immigration policy is the big sticking point not only in this situation, but in the 2016 election, and likely is going to be in 2018/20, as it's the issue that alienates white working class voters who might otherwise vote Democratic. These votes are in play--they are not libertarian die-hards or evangelicals. Immigration policy is really the only issue on which the Democratic "establishment" has moved leftward over the last decade or so. It wasn't so long ago that decent numbers of elected Democrats held pretty tough/restrictive positions on the issue. That working class white guy still fears that cultural change is coming too fast and is a zero sum game for him. True, his fear of a black/brown country is fanned by a <PERSON>/Koch axis trying to distract from its own oligarchic agenda. But Democratic strategists overestimate, at their peril, the degree of support among voting blocs or various kinds for immigrants in general and Dreamers in particular. If, in the perception wars, the shutdown is characterized as a holdout for getting "them" benefits rather than making sure first "we" get ours "first", Democrats may dissipate all their presumed electoral 2018 advantage in a matter of days.

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Remember, for these oligarchs, the predictable increased death rate of the poor and other "undesirables" is the point. It's a feature, not a bug. That is because all these moralists are hiding behind their true morality--whether they can articulate it or not, they are Calvinist Social Darwinists and they think they are entitled to the resources these "undesirables" are currently using. Calvinism, you recall, was an austere offshoot of the Protestant Reformation that opined that one is judged worthy of Heaven--one is a member of the Elect--through evidence of God's smiling providence here on earth. In effect, if one is successful here on earth, if one is prosperous and materially blessed, obviously one has been favored by God. And if one is not prosperous/materially blessed, one is obviously NOT favored by God. The logical extension: the poor do not deserve charity or compassion, as they are not worthy of heaven anyway. If they were, they'd be rich, or so the circular thinking goes. It's not hard to see how this leads to the mentality among our "Elect" of "if you're so smart, why aren't you rich"; "if you're not rich, it's your own fault---you're lazy/stupid/inferior, and why should I give up anything of mine for you", etc. And it's really easy to characterize those of a particular race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, nationality, etc., as unworthy, and deprive them of charity or resources, as they are not deserving of them. Don't expect compassion from this crowd.

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I read the original piece, and now this one. And I can't side with either party. For goodness sake, we all need to grow up and take responsibility for our behavior. But that means making our behavior as unambiguous as possible, and as hard to misinterpret as possible. Not doing that is inconsiderate at best and deceptive at worst. In the descriptions in these two pieces, I think both parties can rightly be accused of having been ambiguous or deceptive at certain points. And, keep in mind that while both can be misinterpreted, direct verbal communication is harder to misinterpret than body language. USE YOUR WORDS, people.

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In other words, "not one of us". And the "not" can be any dimension. But there is a particular virulence to racism, as humans are primarily a visual species, and "racial" characteristics are immediately and visually apprehended, while some other dimensions upon which distinctions are made--religion, class, sexuality--may take a little longer to ascertain. Although those in power may try to enforce visual distinctions that make identifying the outgroup easier (think yellow stars and pink triangles). Also the reason it's easy to have sexism, and ageism. Easy to quickly discriminate the "not us". The real question is how to keep this midbrain reaction from dominating our forebrain ones.

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You know, though, it's, amazing how much more problematic liberalism seems when the sociopolitical system around it won't exact somewhat more tax revenue from those who use its excesses to economically exploit others and recompense those who've been exploited. Liberalism doesn't seem to anywhere near as atomistic and anomie producing in those nations in which there are good social safety nets, protection of the population from medical bankruptcy through universal health care, protection from technoeconomic dislocation, and so on.

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As I (and others) have written before, the Republican mindset, even if its proponents can't quite articulate it, stems from a very Puritan/Calvinist worldview, and the Social Darwinism that flows from it. Calvinism, you may recall, was an austere offshoot of the Protestant Reformation that opined that one is judged worthy of Heaven--one is a member of the Elect--through evidence of God's smiling providence here on earth. In effect, if one is successful here on earth, if one is prosperous and materially blessed, then obviously one has been favored by God. And if one is not prosperous/materially blessed, one is obviously NOT favored by God. The logical extension of that is the poor do not deserve charity or compassion, as they are not worthy of heaven anyway. If they were, they'd be rich, or so the circular thinking goes. It's not hard to see how this leads to the mentality among our "Elect" of "if you're so smart, why aren't you rich"; "if you're not rich, it's your own fault---you're lazy/stupid/inferior, and why should I give up anything of mine for you", etc. And it's really easy to characterize those of a particular race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, nationality, etc., as unworthy, and deprive them of charity or resources, as they are not deserving of them. So, this "cruelty" is precisely the point--Republican Calvinists do not want to suffer the poor to live. The faster they die, the more will be there for the deserving oligarchs.

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Yup, "It's the economy stupid". And it's a lot easier to feel threatened by "cultural dislocation" when you perceive those of other cultures as major economic competitors too. If you're comfortable that you're going to continue to put food on the table, get health care, and pay the mortgage, it doesn't matter as much whether your neighborhood has more brown people now than it used to. But where this analysis falls short is in assuming that under such conditions a shift to a rightist populism is inevitable. A well articulated populism of the left might well be able to galvanize, too. A lot of <PERSON> supporters might well have voted for <PERSON> if he had made it to the finals; <PERSON> also addressed economic dislocation, but in terms of more government help for the dislocated, not less. (A significant fraction of <PERSON> voters voted AGAINST <PERSON>, not FOR <PERSON>, and <PERSON> also lost crucial votes to small party candidates to her political left.) If people could vote for a platform that included universal health care, free college and retraining, dedicated programs and funds to help those vocationally dislocated--you know, the types of things they have in Germany, where there are also a lot of robots (and also a lot of unions), while there might still be some resentment of outsiders, it likely wouldn't rise to the level of government takeover, as it hasn't there. And we likely wouldn't get a <PERSON> here.

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Remember, though, it's a lot easier to tap into racist feelings--and sexist and xenophobic ones, too--when those feelings are bound up in a sense of economic competition and dislocation, as <PERSON> writes about in his piece today. You may not be rich, but if you're not worried too much about affording decent health care, or putting food on the table, or making the mortgage--probably because there are "socialist" programs in place to help with these things--you probably aren't as worried if your town has more black or brown or "foreign" people than it used to. Those people might make you uncomfortable to some degree, but you're a lot less likely to go out and lynch them if you don't see them as economic competitors (and haven't been encouraged to by a vulpine television news concern)--or to support candidates that tell you to. If you did, you'd simply have much more to lose. It is racism, but it's the economy, stupid. (Germany has xenophobia, and, as <PERSON> points out, a lot of job displacing robots. But they also have extensive socioeconomic protections, and unions, and universal health care. And so their fringe parties and wackadoo candidates don't get to run the government, unlike here.)

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"<PERSON> is ignorant, incurious, vain, gauche, bigoted, intemperate, bullying, suggestible, reckless and morally unfit for his office. But he’s not deficient in cunning". Or, at least the type of cunning that enables his base to continue to characterized his opposition as hysterical snowflakes--precisely the sort of people they've always been suspicious of. And whatever else <PERSON> says or does, giving the perception that's he's with "the real Americans", and against the effete "libtards", has been enough to keep that base up to now. True, it's very hard to see what words or actions would dissuade that base from supporting him, especially as <PERSON> notes, the conception of <PERSON> is such that competency had been defined down, and most are just happy when <PERSON> wakes up without drool on his face. For an effective opposition, there will have to be a lot more emphasis on what the alternatives are to <PERSON>. Democrats really should be tying him to the rest of the Republican oligarchy, pointing out that he hasn't "drained the swap", hasn't represented "real Americans" interests, but just continue the sucking up of resources into the one percent maw--which, after all, <PERSON> is a card carrying member of, whatever stylistic differences there are between him and his fellow oligarchs.

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<PERSON> is undoubtedly sly in one important respect. He knows, that with the American public in general, and with his undereducated and superficial base in particular, it's all about appearances--the theatrics, the visuals. He knew this on the Apprentice, and he knows it now, even if he knows little else. He knows that looking interested and engaged during a televised meeting is guaranteed to raise his approval ratings 5 points, even if that's only in contrast to his behavior at other times. (We HAVE gotten used to a very low bar for <PERSON> competence--gratified if he's simply not drooling on his shirt front.) Of course, looking engaged doesn't mean being engaged, or remembering what you were supposed to be engaged about. As <PERSON> implies, <PERSON> may well have had the McDonald's theme playing in his head through all of this. The bigger problem is getting that two-fifths of the country that thinks this televised meeting represents competency and sagacity to realize it's an act, a performance for the cameras. But that's a much heavier lift.

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This is one of the few <PERSON> columns in which I think the analytic base is well grounded; I too have mused on these particular American aspects of self-improving spirituality, though my bias grounds it more in Calvinism and its emphasis on individual economic striving. My money, though, says <PERSON> doesn't run. She'd have to give UP a lot of power to become President (as well as a lot of sources of wealth). But I do see her as an anointer and fundraiser "behind the scenes". And my speculation is that she will support a non-white candidate--<PERSON> or <PERSON>, or perhaps someone not currently on the horizon.

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As I've said in a number of other venues, in the end, I don't think <PERSON> would run. Some of the reasons why not <PERSON> describes here well, but I also think <PERSON> would have to give UP too much power--and too many revenue streams--to be President. But I do think she will have a prominent fundraising role in the Democratic contest in 2020, and will likely put here support behind one of the candidates--my supposition being a younger candidate of color, perhaps <PERSON>, <PERSON>, or someone not even on the radar yet. And, one thing she can help with quite a bit, given her Golden Globes Speech--she can keep reminding everyone that Republicans are not supportive of the aspirations of those who are non-white, non-heterosexual, and non-male. There are already movements (i.e., #MeTOO) that, I think, won't result in 53 percent of white women voting for a Republican again in 2020, and <PERSON> can have a lot to do with keeping attention to those.

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Generally, it's the economy, stupid. That's what tends to determine the general direction of votes. Except, perhaps for 2016. Or was that the exception that proved the rule? It can be argued that while the economy in 2016 had been in a long recovery, it was a sluggish and very uneven recovery, with the majority of wage earners having not seen things getting better, and for many, arguably worse. So the incumbent President's party "lost" despite the low quality of the opposition candidate. The real question is what <PERSON> and <PERSON> think the economy is doing right around November 2018. If they think it's doing ok--and we do seem to be finally getting some wage growth--it's unlikely the Democrats take a house of Congress, even with the motivating presence of <PERSON>. Make no mistake--the Republican tax bill, while very much a giveaway to the oligarchs, is also designed to dump a few dollars the way of the <PERSON> until at least after the 2020 elections. That may distract the <PERSON> enough to vote for the status quo, if they vote at all. If, on the other hand, the Sixpacks notice they are still very much underemployed, and/or their health care expenses have ballooned even faster, or there is some sort of shock that throws a lot of them out of work or cuts their hours--then there might be a wave election in the works. As mentioned here, it's a lot easier to predict the weather than the economy. But for 2018, the latter matters.

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A lot of false equivalence here--again. I too devoutly wish that we could "restore the distinction between excellence and mediocrity, truth and a lie". But to claim that the worried screeds of anti-Trump writers is in any way comparable to the <PERSON>/<PERSON>/<PERSON>-inspired conservative Republican lowbrowism is to think there is no difference between a lizard and a lemur because they're both vertebrate quadrupeds; it's mistaking the broad category for the details. I don't see anything like the climate denial, tax policy denial, racism/sexism/xenophobia among non-Trump supporters that one can easily see from his supporters. Yes, the politically progressive can be humorless and due to that easy to satirize, but at least that earnestness starts from some passing acquaintance with reality, and doesn't take as a starting point "I me mine only--you, who cares". Just because there are two sides doesn't mean there are two equal sides. The "genuine experts" do seem to preponderate in one camp, and the lowbrows in the other. (There are excellent conservative thinkers with good ideas--but they are notable by their rarity.) And, considered in that vein, anti-Trumpers don't look so hysterical at all.

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Even if <PERSON> is a "genius"--and it certainly can be argued that getting himself elected President with all of his flaws and absurdity at least indicates some degree of sly craftiness in fleecing large segments of the populace--if we've learned one thing from popular culture is that many, perhaps most, geniuses are evil, and they need to be confronted and fought against. I'm not saying we should expect the Green Lantern Corps to show up and set things aright, but we all have a responsibility to confront evil however we can. For many of us, that starts with something very simple--register to vote, and then go do it. Every time, every election. Without good turnout, nothing turns out good.

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The problem with the Internet in the political realm, ultimately, is one of curation and credibility. The great strength of the medium as regards democracy is that it allows all the chance to express any viewpoint. Of course, the flipside is that the medium allows all the chance to express any viewpoint--there's no filter or initial editorial evaluation. Nobody on the Internet knows if you are an expert on the subject you are discussing, or if, in the words and images of the famous New Yorker cartoon, you're a dog. The medium can certainly be commended with breaking down barriers, but it should be recognized that barriers can sometimes be used for good purposes, like keeping out the sewage. The medium is very young, though, and will likely have to go through the same growing pains many others did before a modicum of judgment becomes commonplace. With the quickened pace of events, though, it remains to be seen if this will happen before some worldwide disaster makes the whole thing moot.

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"The only possible way that the rubes who vote Republican will wake up is to let them run the country into the ditch. Again." But how many of the rubes can recognize the ditch when they fall into it? For far too long now, Republicans have been winning elections by accurately gauging the intelligence of a large swath of the 'Murican populace. They're quite aware that far too many people can't handle a deductive chain of reasoning or understand complex socioeconomic arguments, but such people can handle simple soundbite appeals to pride, God, guns, and the demonization of the other. The question is really how bad do things have to get before the low information voter--and the low information non-voter--can't engage in simplistic denial anymore? I suspect for those people things will have to get a lot worse before their brains crack and let in some light. Probably Great Depression, no food on the table, no money coming in level worse. And even then they'll still be susceptible to appeals that it's all the tax, spend, and give away freebies to the undeserving Democrats fault. As the saying goes, you can't fix stupid. If we can't at least mitigate the power of stupid, though, the nation has no future.

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<PERSON> may have a point here, as far as it goes--it's very hard to know what to do when the traditional yardsticks and measuring posts, formerly provided to a great extent by religion, are no longer widely agreed upon. It's true that in an unmoored situation of that kind, thinking, reflective people have trouble knowing if they are being moral enough. I would submit, though, that this is a problem of the thinking, reflective, chattering classes--and membership in those is small. The overwhelming majority has no uncertainty about what is right and wrong, whether these conceptions come from religion or somewhere else, such as the sociopolitical doctrine of capitalism (which, of course, has underpinnings in Calvinism and the recognition of the elect). And then behavioral and policy decisions that stem from conceptions of who is deserving and who is not, which leads to cacophonous moral debates. Moreover, when the only way to gain status and resources is to be thought of as deserving, victimhood looks attractive. The only way out of this I can see is to start from a different set of assumptions, mostly that all humans are equally "deserving". It's a measure of how bound we still are to religious conceptions of human worth--even if they have been divorced in secular nations from any particular set of worship rituals and creeds--that this is still much too wide a bridge for most to cross.

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With apologies (and credit) to <PERSON>, <PERSON> is simply a Boy Anachronism, a man-child whose lifeview and behavior come from a time long past, a time in which a Rat Pack Sinatrian/Cohnian ethos prevailed, details were irrelevant, and men were men (and women were nervous). Surrounded by lawyers and other sycophants, <PERSON> never noticed the world had changed (although that Twitter sure is convenient), and it certainly never would have occurred to him that he might want to change and grow along with it. And, of course, he got elected because a significant portion of the American public is stuck, socially and economically, back in the 1950's too.

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Now that the legislative effort to dismantle the Affordable Care Act had gone down to ignominious defeat, at least temporarily, I am much more worried about how this current administration, with egging on from so-called "conservative experts", might try to undermine it by not enforcing its provisions through the executive branch, instead. For instance, the recent decision to not enforce the individual mandate through IRS penalty collection on tax returns is a deliberate effort to undermine the broadening of the health insurance base that is essential for the Act to work properly. And I'm sure there are other efforts to weaken it on the nuts-and-bolts level. As implied here, the biggest problem with the ACA is not that it is failing now, but that forces are aligned not only against improving it, but for actively undermining it. And now those forces may have more cover than a Congressional battle would have allowed. And, people interested in supporting the ACA really have to start with counteracting the messaging that has kept support for it far less than optimal. Too many studies have come out that people like the provisions of the ACA, but they despise "Obamacare", and often don't realize they are one and the same. Democrats/progressives really have GOT to learn how to counter reactionary narratives.

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It's really quite simple in the end. Today's Republican party equals "I me mine; you, go away and die". And this attitude is not limited to health care issues. The party has been completely subsumed by the <PERSON>, social Darwinist, Calvinist moralists that used to make up only its fringe. Just think about what signing on to a pledge to never raise taxes (which most Republican officials have) really means, philosophically: there is no legitimate purpose for raising government revenue, or, in truth, for government at all. There is no reason to help ANYBODY that might not be able to help themselves. Let us all compete, red in tooth and claw, in all spheres, and devil take the hindmost (and most of the middle). Compassion might get in the way of natural selection. (Given that their behavior and philosophy is so in keeping with originalist Darwinism, it's funny how so many Republicans are science deniers. But I digress.) Yeah, I'm an old lefty, who believes the government should help the people do what they would have trouble doing for themselves, like getting reasonable health care in a market that doesn't follow the openness rules of <PERSON>. But the lack of compassion, the outright Scroogian cruelty, of the modern Republican politician is stunning. I doubt <PERSON>, <PERSON>, or even <PERSON> would recognize these people as kindred.

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I believe, in this 21st century milieu, you may be asking for far too much, Mr. Friedman. In the modern cynicism, power talks, honor walks. You are asking a batch of highly ambitious men to look into the mirror, see the Masters of the Universe they've always wanted to be, and fight against that for an abstract greater, common good. For most of these types, there is no common good--there is only me and how much I can wrest from this tough dog-eat-dog world. High level, political "public service" generally does not attract those who are interested in public or service (with perhaps a few notable exceptions), but those who are interested in leveraging their positions into lucre and influence. It was always thus; <PERSON> and his minions have just dispensed with the lip service others felt compelled to pay to the nobler aspects of the mission. Those doing true public service tend to toil in somewhat quieter and often far less well compensated environs, relatively unconcerned with how much personal credit accrues to them. There are such people who inhabit our agencies, but now they are being tarred with the label "deep state" and accused of throwing sand in the gears of aggrandizers' agendae. The Trumpites' behaviors are far more likely to be curbed by revelations from the press or private citizens than from people in positions of public power. And perhaps they will be helped along a little by information thoughtfully left discoverable by the deep state public servants.

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"What we have here, boys, is a tool. All just depends on how are you usin' it". Yup, those little flashing pixels are hard to resist--they give you that dopamine shot that our biochemistry loves. But we do have cerebral cortices, and we do have the capacity to decide just how many of those shots we want. It DOES come down to personal choice--and often, restraint. I'm not saying that we might not need a little help from regulators in exercising this restraint, as we do with any addictive substance. But we'd all do well to remember that it is a choice to take that first hit, or the next one.

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"I am quite torn. In a way, I want it to pass exactly as is, because it will be a disaster that Republicans will own." I know more than a few people who share <PERSON> sentiment, as they believe it will lead to a mass movement to throw the Repugnican bums out, and eventually possible lead to a populace and Congress that would look favorably upon enacting single payer, or at least the ability to buy into a public option. I do not share this belief. Yes, many will suffer if this bill becomes law--and many of those who will suffer worst are those who voted for <PERSON> and for conservative Republican representatives, both at the Congressional and local levels. But I doubt that will then make them abandon said representatives and vote for saner Democrats. The propaganda machine has done its work too well. People will die prematurely, and with their last breaths will blame Obamacare and Democrats who, they've been told, want to tax them and give the cash to THOSE PEOPLE--never understanding for a second that THEY are THOSE PEOPLE. Before any reasonable health system comes to pass, there will have to be a massive countereducation effort in the US, one that doesn't hold up the right to unlimited profit as the sacrosanct American value. No way are gerrymandered office holders going to allow that (see: public education funding). As the saying goes, you can't fix stupid. Unless we find some way to, Republicans ain't gonna own no health care disaster no way no how.

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Yeah, the tax cut is a scam. But Republicans seem to have the American public figured out better than the Democrats do; they know that the average person will see a little bit more in the paycheck for the first year or so, and so, when the midterm elections come around, said average person is likely to say "Hey, the Republicans cut my taxes" and therefore vote Republican in the hope of a continuation. The ability to examine the legislation, to notice the tax cuts for the lower levels disappearing down the road, to see how taxes will actually rise for a lot of those levels, to note how the current cuts are connected to a diminishing of government services and deteriorating infrastructure, to realize eventually that Republicans will claim that this is due to huge entitlement programs that we cannot afford and which must be cut, so that more lucre flows to oligarch coffers--all of this is beyond the ability of most of those average people, whose future orientation extends to the next week, if that much. And Republicans seem to understand the psychology of these average people, while Democrats optimistically think that detailed and wonky explanations of all this will trump (pun intended) an extra few beer bucks today. And this in no small part explains continued Republican dominance of the government. Sure, media can be blamed for false equivalences in reporting, but we have to examine how the people got so anti-intellectual and gullible in the first place.

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I don't know, <PERSON>--if you think that progressives are winning the culture war, I think you've been spending too much time among the chattering classes in Manhattan, and too little time in South Carolina. Or for that matter, too little time in the closer Staten Island. The culture wars are really only fought at the borders; most of the country is safely ensconced behind the lines, be it a conservative line or a liberal one, though there are certainly members of both sides who feel "trapped" behind the "wrong" line. The bottom line remains, however. Those in the conservative camp fundamentally start from the premise that certain groups of human beings should be denied rights and privileges that conservatives themselves blithely claim. Whether that's for reasons of race, religion, gender, sexual preference, bank account size, or whatever, it's hard to claim an equal argument footing when that's the opening statement.

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You begin to wonder if in the end, we're going to find out that there were Russian fingers in every pie imaginable. There's some evidence of Russian attempts to influence the NRA's lobbying tactics. There's the known influence of Russian trolls and bots on social media. And now this. It's not too much of a surprise to imagine that a country that is deeply insecure, with a leader that needs to keep up the image of strength and competence, would use every possible way available to keep its main and stronger advocacy on the defensive. But it certainly is beginning to look like the plot is so complex and Byzantine (reference intended) that not even the wackiest Hollywood screenwriters could have thought it up.

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This essay contains beautiful language and lofty sentiments. Too beautiful and too lofty by half. The sad truth is, nationalism has generally been tribalism writ somewhat larger, in those geographic areas in which it was possible to unite a group around shared ethnicity, religion, language. The original nation states, as compared to empires, were pretty small geographically; they had to be in order to cohere for any length of time. (And empires always fragmented eventually.) The attempt to make large, modern nation states keeps running up against the very different ideas that the different groups subsumed within them have about what life is and how it should be pursued. The more diverse ethnically, religiously, or linguistically a nation tends to be, the more unstable it tends to be. And for those who argue the United States has done pretty well with all its diversity, be reminded the nation is only two hundred forty years old or so, almost split apart once, and seems on its way to doing that again. It may be that we, as humans, have not evolved to the point yet at which our foremost allegiance is to each other, to our fellow humans and to the planet we all live on. When that happens, we won't need nation states; we may be able to organize on both larger and smaller levels based on which model's most efficient to accomplish particular tasks. But it'll be a while before we get to the United Federation of Planets, if we do before environmental disaster.

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I hope the teachers get everything they are asking for. And then some. The pendulum has swung much too far in the direction of plutocrats, including the ones who are in government positions. Those who aren't slumming oligarchs themselves are in the pockets of said oligarchs and are only looking to enhance their own bottom lines and could care less about the state and the people as a whole. Their protestations that giving teachers a raise would increase taxes of break the budget ring hollow when none of them feel like tightening their belts even a notch. It's about time labor took back some power, whether it's labor "organized" through unionization or in some other manner. I hope teachers in Oklahoma and Kentucky--and a lot of other overworked low-wage voters-- are watching and emulating.

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So, <PERSON>, remember <PERSON> characterization of Goldman Sachs and it's enablers? And I quote: "The world's most powerful investment bank is a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money”. Mr. <PERSON>, like most of his GS compatriots, was only in it for the lucre. He stayed there long enough to enhance his connections and shepherd through a huge tax giveaway to himself and his fellow plutocrats. Since that mission is accomplished, there's no reason for him to stay there if he's not able to continue the self-aggrandizement. Sure he's not happy about the tariff plan, as that might cut down on the skim for him and his. But don't pretend he's leaving due to a clash or principles. Like <PERSON>, his principle is moolah, and he'd obviously made the calculation that the wealth draining possibilities of his current position have lessened enough that it's time to go find a riper vein.

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Normally, I don't agree much with what <PERSON> writes, but here I do. Trump won the 2016 election (as this article implies) because the electorate reverted to norm. Infrequent voters--many, though not all, young and non-white, and in particular inner city African American--came out in high numbers to vote for <PERSON> in 2008 an 2012, partly due to the novelty involved in voting for the first African American presidential candidate, and, as I've been writing about for more than a year, partly due to simple old tribalism, which is still a major force in turnout. These people unfortunately did not feel as much urgency in 2016. Some may have voted third party, but many did not vote at all. And they were particularly absent in Detroit, Flint, Grand Rapids, Milwaukee, Philadelphia, and Pittsburgh, which contributed mightily to <PERSON>'s losses in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and therefore in the election. Yes, it's true that gerrymandering and voter suppression tactics in these areas contributed--particularly the shenanigans with polling places and long lines in these urban areas--but the fact remains that more people were motivated enough in '08 and '12 to overcome this. And it leads to the conclusion that even in the 21st century, nothing motivates like the chance to "vote for one of your own". It's also why I've written Democrats would do well to ensure that the ticket includes an African or Hispanic American in 2020 (female, preferably).

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Excellent column from Tom. I'd only add that "if you want to get rid of walls and ceilings — and I do — you have to strengthen the floors under every American", you've got to start with progressive taxation to pay for it. That includes a true corporate tax rate with nonexistent loopholes and an individual tax rate on high earning individuals more in lime with those of Europe. And, while we're at it, an elimination of the Social Security earnings cap. Of course, this would take a diminishing of the power of political lobbyists through public funding of elections so that our politicians wouldn't be dependent on oligarchs for their campaign funds, which bends them almost completely to those oligarchs' wills. But that's an argument for another column.

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This idea that <PERSON> has been constrained so far only makes sense from the standpoint of a Republican--even one who is critical of <PERSON>, as Mr. <PERSON> can be. Such a person says, "Hey, you know, we got a tax bill and a lot of business deregulation and a Supreme Court Justice, and we're not in a new war yet, and Obamacare is being debilitated one cut at a time, so, you know, it's okay." I suspect the opinion is different in other circles, particularly those outside the US, but in a lot of them here, too. From that view, <PERSON> has only been restrained in the sense that things can be poisoned a little bit at a time as well as by one massive dose.

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nyt_comments_9848255.0

Okay, <PERSON> is a sleazy, greasy dumpster fire of an individual, worthy of all the negative adjectives the collective wisdom of a NY Times comments section can throw at him. But the real question is doing something about it. It appears, unless Mr. <PERSON> has something up his sleeve no one has yet speculated about, that we're going to have Le Grand Orange in the Oval Office until at least 2020. (Technically, the beginning of 2021.) The Republican enablers in Congress are not going to allow impeachment hearings. So the course of action is obvious. This November, get those Republican enablers out of Congress. Get a Democratic majority in there that, even if it can't impeach <PERSON>, can stand in the way of a lot of his, and his supporters, dismantling of the nation. Ensure you are registered to vote. Ensure everyone around you is registered to vote. Ensure that on Election Day, you and everyone around you goes to vote. Stand in that long line if you have to--and in a lot of voter suppression states, you'll have to--bring snacks and music, and electronic recording devices to show just what these enablers make you wait through to vote. And those devices are handy for recording the inevitable encounters with election officials that will claim certain inconvenient people are not eligible to vote. Short of violent uprising, people--never a good idea-- this is the only option. We all know it. Now go do it.

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nyt_comments_9848255.0

Ain't nothing here but pure unabashed greed--<PERSON> is likely the richest man in the world at this point. The only real difference between him and <PERSON> is that <PERSON> is considerably more facile at using the levers of power to distract people both inside and outside his nation from his vacuuming up of wealth, and that facility involves casting himself as the strong right hand on the tiller of the Russian ship of state, guiding it through the treacherous waters of cosmopolitanism and effeteness. His ability to position himself as a bulwark of world order against a rising tide of chaos is a major reason for his popularity among the many who have problems with ambiguity. Of course, while he may give lip service to this as a guiding philosophy, I don't think for a minute he truly believes a word of it--this is all about grabbing as much as possible for himself and his cronies. No wonder <PERSON> loves him--in <PERSON> he sees a fellow avaricious grifter, and a more effective one at that.

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Okay, <PERSON> is a greasy dumpster fire of an individual, worthy of all the negative adjectives the collective efforts of the NY Times comments' sections can throw at him. And the sycophants and toadies around him are in the same category. But the real question is doing something about it. It appears, unless Mr. <PERSON> has something up his sleeve no one's imagined, we're going to have Le Grand Orange in the Oval Office until at least 2020. (Technically, the beginning of 2021.) The Republican enablers in Congress are not going to allow impeachment hearings. So the course of action is obvious. This November, get those Republican enablers out of Congress. Get a Democratic majority in there that, even if it can't impeach <PERSON>, can stand in the way of a lot of his, and his hangers-on, dismantling of our nation and its institutions. Ensure you are registered to vote. Ensure everyone around you is registered to vote. Ensure that on Election Day, you and everyone around you goes to vote. Stand in that long line if you have to--and in a lot of voter suppression states, you'll have to--bring snacks and music, and electronic recording devices to show just what these enablers make you wait through to vote. Keep those devices handy for recording the inevitable encounters with election officials that will claim certain inconvenient people are not eligible to vote. Short of violent uprising, people--never a good idea--this is the only option. We all know it. Now go do it.

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It's a nice try, but misplaced; one simply cannot have a debate about abortion without a discussion of whether the products of conception (the most neutral term I could think of here) have the legal status of "person"--that is, the status of an independent entity with certain rights. Certainly, there is difference of opinion as to whether those products have such rights, and at what stage. What we need is a better definition, based on scientific knowledge, of when those products are capable of the behavior of a "person". For many these means viability outside the womb; for others it means when there is evidence of consciousness. But this debate hinges upon that determination--the point at which the products have legal "rights" equal to that of any other "person". To not deal with that is to lead the debate in an endless circle.

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It may turn out that the interlocking shadow conspiracies so beloved of Hollywood screenwriters and producers may not have been fictions, or even exaggerations, at all. The actuality is more disturbing than the scripted stories. I'm sure that there are herculean efforts going on right now in those shadowy corners to hide or destroy other evidence of this before the cleansing sunlight gets to it. I only hope that the news organizations investigating this can keep their reporters financed enough--and protected enough--to continue.

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Good Lord. That's two columns worth of material from <PERSON> I've agreed with in the space of a week. A sure sign of the apocalypse. Seriously, Mr. <PERSON> is dead on here. The demographic that voted in large numbers for <PERSON> is still far more influenced by television that by social media. It WAS television that provided those voters with their initial sense of <PERSON> as a savvy and charismatic business expert, and it was television news stations that continued that narrative and provided his candidacy with all that coverage of his outrageousness, because, as <PERSON> rightly pointed out by beating me to <PERSON> quote, it was great for those networks' bottom lines at a time when their ratings and business models were under siege by new forms of media (as they still are). It's notable that in the part of the country who knew all about <PERSON> well before he was introduced to the rest of it through the Apprentice--my own New York metro area--he barely got enough votes to get to a double digit percentage. We knew what a "short-fingered vulgarian" (as per Spy Magazine) he was. Still, we have to address the gullibility of the American voter who swallowed all this reality TV claptrap. Such voters may be diminishing in number as they age, but I don't have much confidence that the next generation of social media-raised voters are any more intelligent or discriminating. TV may have won 2016, but what wins 2020 and beyond?

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There are ideological differences among Democrats, and of course among voters in general, but they are greater in the "G" areas--God, guns, and gays--than they are in economic areas. An overwhelming majority of ALL voters would like to see more government involvement in health care, not less--and at least a government option or expansion of Medicare, if not single-payer. An overwhelming majority wants higher taxes on the wealthy, and on corporate entities to pay for government safety net programs, and wants loopholes closed and the tax process simplified. An overwhelming majority wants greater regulation of banks and extractive industries. An overwhelming majority wants the minimum wage raised to a reasonable level of $15/hour (many will support an even higher level). An overwhelming majority wants greater worker power in the workplace, either through unions or some other mechanism. And this cuts across the "traditional" liberal/conservative lines, perhaps even signaling a realignment and relabeling of what actually is politically liberal/conservative. Democrats don't have to run on gun control, religious pluralism, and gay marriage to win. They have to push the idea that they are better for the non-oligarch, non-plutocrat than Republicans. They used to do this in the days of <PERSON> and <PERSON>. They can do so again. And there are enough voters--if you get them to the polls--to swamp the die-hard bigots/1% who would never be receptive to the message anyway.

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Of COURSE we are shaped by our experiences, identities, and categories, whether self imposed or imposed from without. That doesn't mean that we can't acknowledge when they may be biasing us, and it certainly doesn't mean we can't reason beyond them, through a combination of humility, intensity, and eclectic autodidacticism. We need to be "woke" to our starting points, but recognize them as just that, starting points. We can speak for more than our "groups". I am white, male, bisexual, Easter European by ancestry, Jewish by birth, atheist by inclination, socially awkward by constitution, and more than a bit of a nerd. I am all these things to greater or lesser degree at various points. I may speak/write from any or all of these perspectives at times, recognizing their influences on me, but hopefully I can also transcend them all with focus and self-criticism, and with a ferocious pursuit of truth. And then, hopefully, I am ultimately speaking for me, for this entity, not denying the parts that make it up, but not kowtowing to any one of them, either. That is, presumably, the endpoint here--what we're aiming for if we want to talk about the "good life", or how to make "a more perfect union". I recognize how easy it is to speak from only one identity, but it's not impossible to speak from an encompassing whole, just more difficult. If I do say so myself (phrase intended), I think many of the comment writers here manage to do this more often than they believe.

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nyt_comments_9848255.0

I devoutly wish that something--ANYTHING--would dissuade <PERSON>'s supporters and enablers that they've hitched their wagons to the wrong nag. But <PERSON> is the real the Teflon Don--nothing seems to stick too him as far as his supporters are concerned. To them, all this stuff is merely background noise that won't get in the way of them encouraging <PERSON> to Make America Great Again. There really needs to be a study of the psychology of these supporters--we have to figure out how they manage to live in such denial, and where all that anger comes from, if only to be able to see it coming in future cases. Yes, I'm aware that a lot of these people are being conned, as Dr. <PERSON> writes about today, but it's much more important to figure out HOW that happens. Because if we don't, even when <PERSON> is gone, they'll be right back cheering on the next demagogue.

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nyt_comments_9848255.0

Some excellent aphorisms here. Very quotable. I am still waiting, however, for something that is actionable enough to get <PERSON> out of the Oval Office--something that even his ridiculously in-denial supporters will admit crosses the line, if, given the degree to which deviancy has been defined down by this administration, such a line even exists. It not only seems true that <PERSON> could shoot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue and not lose supporters, it seems as if he could nuke the world and whoever among his supporters was left would still think he was Making America Great Again. The psychology of these middle-finger thrusters would be fascinating if it wasn't so dangerous.

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As an old lefty, I am very much sympathetic to the idea that the "government must do for people what they cannot do for themselves", and while a certain degree of skepticism and caveat emptor from each and every user is always a good idea, the average person simply does not have the resources protect him/herself from the dark side of social media connectivity and reach, just as s/he doesn't have the resources to make sure water is always safe to drink of that pharmaceuticals are effective and not overly harmful. That is why there is a place for government regulation, in those realms and in this. People generally don't object to the need for an FDA or FTC to exist--beyond the radical alt right Mercerites and Kochites--and they should not object to some rein-in of electronic media, either. In fact, treating Facebook and the like as public utilities has been suggested, and might be a reasonable model to adopt, with the capacity for adaptation and tweaks over time. But it's become evident that, capitalist/libertarian ethos notwithstanding, there needs to be some oversight to balance the enormous power, both for good and for evil, these entities have developed.

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Given the rather nasty, bigoted, xenophobic, and ruthless tactics of modern day Republican conservatism, <PERSON>, you shouldn't be surprised that at some point that even wimpy, snowflake liberals start to get their backs up. Too often, progressives have been characterized as TOO eager to compromise, as being trusting enough to enter into the rough and tumble political wrestling ring without protective equipment--indeed, to be blithely oblivious that they're in a wrestling match at all. To see some now using the same tactics as their opponents should hardly be a surprise. I'm sure that many have some reservations and doubts about such tactics, but they're coming to the realization that conservatives have no such qualms. And, that if they don't meet fire with fire, they're simply not going to be very successful. I'm sure that progressives will ratchet down the rhetoric and "dirty tricks"--the day that conservatives do.

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<PERSON>'s long quoting of <PERSON> summaries the differences in world view very nicely. But it leaves out the questions of turnout. On average, even in a Presidential election year, Democratic leaning voters, especially well-educated ones, simply turn out at lower rates than Republican leaning ones. This may well be a function of the greater anger and fear among Republican leaning voters making them more motivated to get to the polls, compounded by the greater number of highly motivated single issue voters--religion, guns, abortion--that tend to congregate on the Republican side. It is likely the case that, exit polls aside, that if Democratic leaning voters went to the polls in similar proportions, Democrats would win far more elections. Republicans know this, and compound the problem not only with gerrymandering, but with blatant voter suppression tactics in Democratic leaning areas (onerous ID requirements, lack of polling places in urban areas, and the like). As I've written before, blase Democratic voters have to get up off their butts and go to the polls EVERY SINGLE TIME, no matter how ambivalent they may be about particular candidates. The Republican side generally does not let ambivalence get in the way of voting. And even when there are ruthless suppression tactics, voters have to be prepared to go to the polls and argue and video confrontations over voting legitimacy--they can't just shrug and say it's not worth the hassle (that's what con-oligarchs want).

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The real question, I think, it why character matters so much more to people if you're a Democrat or progressive than if you're a Republican or conservative. The general standard for the former among the average person, and among much of the media scribes, is much higher than for the latter. The bar is set so low for people such as <PERSON>, and for Republican conservatives in general (see: <PERSON>, <PERSON>, etc.) that apparently it can always be cleared as far as their supporters are concerned, whereas Democrat progressives are held to a much higher standard. I've been writing about this for a while, wondering if it is simply expected that Republican conservatives will turn out to be hypocrites and self-servers, so that in most people's minds it is not surprise when that happens, whereas when a Democrat is found not acting along with his/her professed ethics, is as if the apocalypse has come. I admit I don't have a clue how it got this way or how it can be overcome.

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Back to basics here. 1) Censorship, no matter where it comes from, is one of the worst things one can engage in. That means, unfortunately, that even hateful or inciting communications must often be reluctantly allowed, or all communications risk the threat of censorship. 2. That having been said, there is a place for good editorial/curatorial judgment. If one must allow any sort of communication,no matter how hateful or inciting or just plain unfactual, one has an obligation to use other communication to point this out, citing all of the reasoned and factual evidence as to why this communication is hateful, inciting, unfactual. In the end, in the contest of ideas, we should want the better ideas, not the louder ones, to ultimately win the day. (I recognize that the previous is in itself and idea that not everyone agrees to--but I would reason that to argue that case the arguers have to use the very same reason and so undercut themselves.) 3. As <PERSON>, everyone is entitled to an opinion, but no one is entitled to his/her own facts. Facts are not fungible. The claim that there are alternative facts cannot be sustained, either by factual argument or non-factual one, as the latter leads to a hypocrisy circle that cannot be squared. (For example, if you don't believe humans are having an influence on climate, in that you don't believe in the precepts of physics, you shouldn't believe in the processes that runs your cell phone, either.)

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Somehow, I sense that if much more of the world "goes atheist", it would not result in the eventual extinction of the human species. In fact, it might help preserve it, as not relying on the concept of a higher power, however that is conceived, tends to revert responsibility for human behavior, and its improvement, on humans themselves, where it really ought to be. if you can't rely on the hairy thunderer or the cosmic Egg McMuffin to take care of the universe, you may just have to, by default, do it yourself. And that may bode much better for the human race and the planet in the long run.

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<PERSON> has excellently expressed the conundrum here. Sure, plumbing and surgery and architecture et. al. are all professions requiring mastery of a body of knowledge. The big question is whether politics or public service are "professions" requiring a "body of knowledge" requiring the same educational and experiential path as others. Even our nation's founders were unsure about this, as many envisioned "citizen legislators" who would serve for a time and then go home to their other professions. The discussion here should be over what qualifications are necessary to serve at each level of government. Yes, in the end, the voters judge that, but the discussion should be joined before the vote.

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In a perfect world, or even a moderately imperfect world, what <PERSON> and Congressional Republicans just did would be recognized by all sane and competently intelligent people as a cruel, cynical ploy to increase the coffers of the oligarchs at the expense of everyone else, and especially at the expense of the people who they were voted into office by. But we don't live in such a world filled with sane and competently intelligent people. We live in one in which most are so uneducated about politics and so distracted by their social media feeds that they don't notice they're being fleeced, and they're so used to the propaganda machine feeding them alternative facts that they still believe plutocrats hear their frustrations and help them, when of course nothing of the sort will happen. There's a massive, massive blind spot out there as to the true self-interested nature of the candidates garnering the votes of so many of the red state folk. Apparently, as long as these candidates mouth platitudes about government overreach and fan fear of a black and brown planet, people will keep voting for grifters and cheats. Who will be able to produce the words that finally allow the crack that lets the light in for these people? That's the real question. Or will it take Hoovervilles? Or massive die offs? How bad do things have to actually get before people realize they've been had?

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nyt_comments_9848255.0

Don't count the chickens yet, <PERSON>. There are many still out there that haven't roosted. Mr. <PERSON> is going to have a much harder time putting together a legislative coalition that can actually get something done. And, as <PERSON> rightly points out, out of all French voters, <PERSON> got 42%, but "neither" or not voting got 36%, which, given France's traditionally high turnout in national elections, is a pretty big raspberry blown at the whole system. And speaking of raspberries, I think one was being blown not only at La Pen, but also to an extent at Great Britain. The French have always thought the island kingdom has looked down at them (and the French, bien sur, have ALWAYS known it is they who have the right to look down their noses at Britain--mon dieu, the cheese and bread there are jokes) and part of this vote is an anti-Brexit reaction. But <PERSON>, and the issues her party forms around, are not going away. The economic and cultural strain of immigration, particularly non-European immigration, will have to be addressed in some meaningful way or the demagogues will continue to find fertile ground.

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"I'm not so sanguine as many that the Democrats are going to make a killing (pun intended) in the mid-terms. Because if <PERSON>, <PERSON>, <PERSON>, and others were elected by voters, such voters either can't distinguish between fact and fiction or simply don't care." Christine <PERSON> is so right. I have no confidence that in the 2018 Congressional elections Democrats will gain seats, let alone enough to gain control of one or both houses. Gerrymandering, the potent Republican propaganda machine--you know somehow, when <PERSON> can't get his diabetes treated, they'll find a way to blame it on <PERSON>, and a large segment of <PERSON> will believe it--and the Democratic tendency, due to competing demands by various constituencies, to be insufficiently organized and focused will all work against this. The first and the third parts of the above will need to be addressed at some point, but the second part--dealing with the Republicans huge messaging advantage--has to start now. (Should've begun decades ago.) There HAS to be an effort made to counteract the shrilling of Fox News, the pseudo-intellectual "research" of the right wing think tanks, and the lack of civics education in school. Most of all, the false equivalency of treating speculative opinion the same as actual documented knowledge has got to stop stop stop. (The NY Times is doing a little better at this recently, although allowing certain a climate change "moderate" column space here is, ahem, a bit disappointing.)

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As <PERSON> hints at, the phenomenon described here is just one of the harbingers of the big shakeout coming in American higher education, among both not-for-profit and profit making institutions alike. A number of trends are ganging up on the ability of many institutions to survive: the growing reluctance of government on all levels to continue to subsidize institutions of higher education, both indirectly with tax dollars and directly with financial aid (though this has wide geographic variations as to degree); the shrinking cohort of college age students due to demographics; the difficulty in replacing that cohort with full-paying foreign students in an environment that under the current administration has become much less friendly to them, and the ever increasing threat from on-line education and the push for its credentialing. The number of institutions out there providing higher ed is likely to shrink by somewhere between a fifth and a third over the next few decades. The big prestigious universities with many more applicants than available spots are not immediately endangered, but many of those middle-to-lower tier schools, liberal arts and otherwise, are going to have increasing trouble filling those freshman classes. Some may argue the shrinking of the bloat may be a good thing, but imagine the increased unemployment this inevitable shakeout will bring in its wake.

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Agree with <PERSON> and <PERSON>--the impeachment of <PERSON> at this time, and maybe at any time, is ill-advised, as that not only results in a <PERSON> presidency, which may be worse (certainly, it would be more insidious), but also in the ability of the rabid right wing to use cries of a witch hunt to remobilize its base. Far better to allow <PERSON> to stay in office, distracted by the investigations, and use "the gift that keeps on giving" to mobilize support for a wave Congressional election in 2018, and then a proper debate and vetting for a better opposition candidate in 2020. That is, if Democrats can pick up some messaging chops and stop shooting themselves in the feet.

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I agree, <PERSON>, that listening to the types of <PERSON> voters you describe, taking their views into account and seeing where common ground can be found, is important. But what you are not addressing is the asymmetry of such a view. Most liberals actually want to hear from all sides in a debate, weigh the views and the facts, and try to come to a consensus--that is basically characteristic of liberalism. (The stereotype of progressives sitting around endlessly debating pros and cons, and rarely getting to definitive action, does have more than a bit of humorous truth.) It does not seem as if most <PERSON> supporters want to do the same. To them, there is no debate. They've been told by <PERSON> and others that their side is unequivocally right and the other side is unequivocally wrong--not only wrong, but dangerously threatening, and worthy of being suppressed by any means necessary, including censorship of viewpoints, creation of "alternative facts" from whole cloth, removal of the voting franchise, and, if necessary, violence. Where are the <PERSON> voters who are interested in what progressives have to say? Where are the ones who will take those views into account? Part of the reason, unfortunately, that progressives can't muster more political power is that the identity involves trying to achieve consensus in a big tent. <PERSON> supporters, and conservatives in general, have no worries as to that--they know what they want, and they go after that ruthlessly.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. But what did you expect from <PERSON> and the burn-it-all troglodytes and oligarchs who whisper in his ears? It's not like he, and they, didn't tell you he, and they, would do this. And yet far too many of you voted for this miasma. Or didn't even bother to vote at all. Get thee to a polling place in 2018. And before that, get thee to a Congressional Representatives office and complain long and loud. (Not only about this, but about voter suppression and health care and campaign finance reform and civil rights and everything else you know this idiot threatens.) There shouldn't be a representative or senator in this country who takes four steps without constituents getting up in his/her grille. The full withdrawal from the climate accords cannot occur before 2020. If people go out and actually vote in 2018 and 2020, this can be prevented, or at least turned back. If not, be prepared to be despised by your children and grandchildren for leaving them a sauna of a world--assuming it lasts long enough to even HAVE grandchildren.

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I joined REI in the 1960s. In those days we got mimeographed sheets every month or so with items. Around 1970 I was camping near Seattle and went to the "store". It was a big warehouse, but the man behind the desk knew right where the item I needed was. About 15 years later I went back and walked into a store with a fern bar. I still shop at REI. People marvel at my low six digit number. I get good service at a good price. But I miss those days when we would pour over the mimeographed sheets and feel like members of an amazing family. P.S. And don't forget the man who was their first "retailer" and then CEO - mountain climber <PERSON>.

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nyt_comments_9860603.0

In this case the President has many enablers. Our major newspapers and cable TV news programs have never seen a war they didn’t like. FAIR (Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting) points out that “Five major US newspapers—the New York Times, Washington Post, USA Today, Wall Street Journal and New York Daily News—offered no opinion space to anyone opposed to <PERSON> Thursday night airstrikes. By contrast, the five papers ran a total of 18 op-eds, columns or “news analysis” articles (dressed-up opinion pieces) that either praised the strikes or criticized them for not being harsh enough.” They then remind us that MSNBC & CNN had a string of military brass and reporters who uncritically praised the strikes. <PERSON> and <PERSON> stand out. <a href="_URL_0_a-strikes-zero-are-critical/" title="_URL_0_a-strikes-zero-are-critical/" target="_blank">_URL_0_...</a> Yesterday morning The Intercept co-founder, <PERSON>, made the same criticism to <PERSON> on CNN. Not only did he criticize the TV coverage but he was especially critical of the parade of generals and colonels who get significant remuneration from defense companies. He suggested that when they come on TV the audience is made aware of the defense company boards they sit on and the companies they own or control. <a href="_URL_1_" title="_URL_1_" target="_blank">_URL_1_</a> Yes, President <PERSON> is a master of manipulating the media. But in this case, all he had to do was jump on the Bandwagon.

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What if you’re wrong? It’s fine to be skeptical, but that doesn’t mean that you should not work to curb global warming. If your skepticism proves to be warranted, we can return to a fossil fuel driven economy. But, if your skepticism is shown to be unfounded, your inaction will help to condemn us to a dystopian future at best, and annihilation of the human race at worst. The real question is not one of science, but one of morality.

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Talk about extremists! I question your use of the term “pro-life”. Besides being against abortion are you committed to providing healthcare, adequate nutrition and housing for all mothers both before and after birth? Are you committed to ensuring that the child that is born has healthcare along with adequate nutrition, shelter and education as they grow? America has the highest infant and maternal mortality rates in the developed world. 40 percent of children in America live in poverty. And far too many of our children constantly live with the fear of being killed by a gun. As Sister <PERSON> told <PERSON> so many years ago: “"I do not believe that just because you're opposed to abortion that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. … That's not pro-life. That's pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is." Are you ready to engage in that broader conversation?

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So what’s new? The United States has killed or had killed over 20 million people in 37 nations since WWII.: <a href="_URL_2_" title="_URL_2_" target="_blank">_URL_5_...</a>. <PERSON> has created a list showing that the United States has overthrown or attempted to overthrow governments in 57 countries since WWII: <a href="_URL_0_ts-the-master-list" title="_URL_0_ts-the-master-list" target="_blank">_URL_0_...</a>. And Investigative Journalist, <PERSON>, in a recent interview, explained what <PERSON>’s “military / industrial complex” means today. Corporations no longer view war as a national security necessity. They view war as a means of making obscene profits: <a href="_URL_1_" title="_URL_1_" target="_blank">_URL_3_...</a>. We live in PERPETUAL WAR! <PERSON> is simply following a long tradition. What is new is his braggadocio and recklessness that announces to the world what other presidents have done in the shadows. To suggest that he is not in a long line of administrations that perpetuated perpetual war is fallacious.

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As soon as government web sites were scrubbed by the Trump administration the Canadian scientific community offered to help muzzled American scientists in any way they could, including advice gained from the 9 years under Mr. <PERSON>. This muzzling of Canadian scientists was never a big item in our main stream media - but scientists knew, as did the rest of the world. The Guardian reported on this muzzling right after the Inauguration: <a href="_URL_0_-support-to-muzzled-us-counterparts" title="_URL_0_-support-to-muzzled-us-counterparts" target="_blank">_URL_0_...</a>.

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For the last 40 years we’ve been victims of a con perpetrated by the GOP. Have you noticed that when the Republicans have the White House it’s spend, spend, spend – with no regard for the debt. And the spending gravitates toward their base. So we have tax cuts for the wealthy, tax breaks for corporations while additional money is lavished on the military. Happy days are here again. But once a Democrat becomes president the Republicans do a 180 degree about face. “Look at the size of the deficit” – which the GOP greatly increased. “We can’t afford social security, healthcare, a living wage. We’ve got to cut that debt!!!” While a few of us get richer and richer, most of us get poorer and poorer – and the con goes on. (Thom Hartmann calls this the “Two Santa Claus Theory”. He explains it an article he wrote in this morning’s Alternet: <a href="_URL_0_america-nearly-40-years.)" title="_URL_0_america-nearly-40-years.)" target="_blank">_URL_0_...</a>

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It’s ludicrous to think that strapping on a 9mm Glock or spending time shooting at paper targets makes one an effective shield when facing a deranged AR-15 armed terrorist. Even seasoned law enforcement officers, like the one at Stoneman Douglas High School, fail to perform in such cases. But that’s what the President and the NRA are suggesting. This is not about protection, it’s about money. A million armed teachers means money for a million Glocks – plus ammunition. And President <PERSON>, selling this NRA proposal, said that “practically for free you have now made a school into a hardened target.” <a href="_URL_0_" title="_URL_0_" target="_blank">_URL_1_...</a> Teaching, being adept with guns, and being able to kill in a live active shooter situation require three very different occupations and skill sets.

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Failing to see the forest for the trees. Yes, the Russian hacking could have had an effect on the election. But, as <PERSON> reminds us at <a href="_URL_0_" title="_URL_0_" target="_blank">_URL_0_</a>, there were 75,000 legal ballots in Detroit alone that were never counted because they were unreadable by the machines, but not by the human eye. In Michigan and Wisconsin no "spoiled" or provisional ballots were counted. And Pennsylvania never held a recount. And this is in just three states. But it wasn’t just unreadable ballots. Voting suppression laws kept millions from being able to vote. The <PERSON> Crosscheck list used in at least 30 states disenfranchised at least another million voters, probably many more. And when these voters went to the polls – not knowing that they had been removed – they were given provisional ballots that were never counted. This election was “hacked” before the first vote was ever cast. But don’t look at Russia, look at our disenfranchised voters and our corrupt election system. <PERSON> knows. You should too!

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This article misses the point. <PERSON> is neither a politician nor a businessman. He is a con-artist, a grifter. And as such he uses language brilliantly. His hyperbole, his lies, his contradictions all build up <PERSON> – the man, the legend, the brand. His language plays to the yearning of many Americans to be able to believe in something that gives their lives meaning. As <PERSON>, author of “The Confidence Game”, puts it: “The genius (of con-men) lies in figuring out what, precisely, it is we want, and how they can present themselves as the perfect vehicle for delivering on that desire.” No wonder he is retaining 96% of his base. <a href="_URL_0_" title="_URL_0_" target="_blank">_URL_3_...</a> Until we recognize what Mr. <PERSON> is really doing we will lose. When asked about 2020 Ms. <PERSON> said, “(Con-men like <PERSON>) appeal to people on a visceral, emotional level – and emotion trumps logic every time. … He’s going to win a second term.” <a href="_URL_1_on-artistry-gives-him-chance-win-second-term" title="_URL_1_on-artistry-gives-him-chance-win-second-term" target="_blank">_URL_1_...</a>.

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<PERSON>, <PERSON> and the Republican party are not interested in the truth, facts or the scientific method, so why would anyone think any nominee would be 'good' for this or any other cabinet position. Until people wake up and think critically about the statements and claims politicians in both parties make and vote accordingly, then every state in the US will continue to overwhelming fund prisons better than schools (per capita), consolidate schools and enlarge classrooms, and continue to fund their schools with lottery tickets and car washes.

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Repeal of the clean water regulation is <PERSON>'s work. He repeated the phrase 'end the war on coal' throughout his campaign. Why would he care so much about coal? There are less than 100,000 jobs in the entire coal extraction industry and less than 200,000 in the extended industry (extraction, transportation and utilities). With all due respect to the people in coal, that's not a meaningful number of jobs. Repeal of this law won't lead to higher wages, meaningful job growth or job security in the short term and ongoing growth of mechanization will eliminate much of the unskilled labor in the long term. All this does is increase health and environmental costs at a time when the Republican party would like to cut the Affordable Care Act and other healthcare spending. The repeal of this regulation and others exists only to benefit the corporations and individuals who own coal companies. It is a net loss to everyone else. It is a continuation of the Republican war on innovation and science.

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nyt_comments_9869165.0

All seats in the National Security Council should be able to provide an unbiased, objective opinion of risk. Your comment insinuates that the military members of the council need to be contained by political members. What about <PERSON> makes you think he's interested in containment? He has stated that his agenda is anarchy and he is a propagandist of the worst sort. He has no place in a legitimate government much less the National Security Council.

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nyt_comments_9869165.0

Dear Congress, The cost of assault weapons in lost lives is immeasurable. It is an unconscionable national tragedy. Since the value of life only resonates with you as it relates to a fetus, then you need to assess the cost of assault weapons. After all, cost, money, dollars resonates with you. In 2006 the state of CT sponsored research to determine the cost of viable security technology. For a single school, security cameras $200K, remote access doors $10K, metal detectors $200K and a security person 25K/per annum, scan cards for students $200K, panic buttons $10K. Obviously, this doesn't include the cost of emergency services and this information is 12 years old, so consider this information a low ball estimate. As the steward of the nations' budget, you will agree that this cost needs to be recovered in an equitable manner. Here's how. The purchaser of any weapon that can hold a magazine should have to: pay for and pass a competency test, pay for a license, periodically pay for license renewal including competency test, insure the weapon, pay for the registration of the weapon at time of purchase and annually with registration renewal. Manufacturers of weapons and magazines should have to: pay for the startup cost of the national registration system including funding required to develop and implement competency testing, register all weapons and magazines manufactured and pay associated fees, and pay an annual fee for the maintenance of the national registration system.

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Gun control should be treated as a financial issue not a moral or legal issue. Gun sales, particularly guns that can hold a magazine clip, have inflicted a cost to the federal government, states and municipalities that is not being recovered in fees, taxes, penalties or other means of recovery. Think about the cost to arm and protect federal agents, state and local police; to protect federal and state employees, school children and teachers, travelers airports, citizenry at public events; to reimburse healthcare providers when tragedy strikes. Why should tax dollars and the credit of the US government (the national debt) be allowed to be misappropriated by Congress, state and local officials at the behest of the gun lobby (NRA, manufacturers, others)? The current regulatory environment is fiscally irresponsible.

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nyt_comments_9869165.0

Although I think <PERSON> is a poor candidate too, I don't think he's paranoid and delusional. His ideas will not advance this country but they won't create turmoil or destroy it. So, I agree with your comment. <PERSON> is a paranoid ego maniac, conspiracy theory believer guided by the anarchist <PERSON>, who is either in bed with the Russians or willingly playing along to advance his own agenda. <PERSON> cannot be trusted.

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nyt_comments_9869165.0

I don't know much about solar panel manufacturing but I do know that production lines staffed with a lot people is unlikely. Manufacturing jobs, like so many other jobs, are being automated. So even if the intent of this tariff is to protect US solar panel production, and not purposely damage the solar industry by making it uncompetitive to oil and gas as other commentators have suggested, it is unlikely that it will lead to more jobs.

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nyt_comments_9869165.0

How has <PERSON> ruled on cases involving the environment, civil rights...things that matter. What does he think of Citizens United? Where are these questions and the reporting on them. NPR's coverage leads me to believe that he's conservative but fair. And the fact that he's conservative should surprise no one. The whole mess with <PERSON> is over. Move on. No evidence has yet been reported that should cause a Democrat not to vote for <PERSON>. Political vendetta's have gotten this country no where and only facilitated the election of the Zero President, <PERSON>. Republicans already have enough explaining to do to their constituents thanks to <PERSON> and their legislative incompetence. In the meantime, the Democrats should get to work on governing and articulate a strategy that captures what voters wanted in 2016 but did not get and that the Republican's will never provide as evidenced by Republicare, executive cabinet appointments and a so-called budget proposal.

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The Oscars are not representative of society and they never were. What's changing in the Oscars that the columnist is uncomfortable with is that there is an attempt being made to make the Oscars representative of society's demographics. Equating low ratings for a televised award show to the struggle between conservatism and liberalism or progressivism is ridiculous. NASCARs ratings for the Daytona 500 were in the tank and track attendance has been declining for years. Extrapolate a relationship for me? Only in the perpetually anguished and offended, biased mind of a 'conservative' does low ratings of the Oscars mean something more than people were doing something else. This column is the ranting of someone past his prime, showing his age and bias, and his longing for the good ol' days of his youth when the cast of a movie shared his complexion. It is a weak attempt and a failure. The fact that it got published may only be a signal that this is the Autumn of the NY Times. I hope it's not.

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"In the second case I’m thinking of <PERSON> distinctive links to Islamic cultures, both African and Southeast Asian, which clearly informed his hope (and the hope of some of his supporters) that his mere election might radically change America’s image in the Muslim world and enable a broader shift in how Washington approached that region’s governments and people." What are you talking about? Who thought this? <PERSON> won by a landslide in 2008. The concept that "he was an agent of <PERSON>" was a myth perpetuated by racists and right wing republicans to influence the hopelessly uninformed, terminally incurious and, unfortunately, large population of gullible Americans in order to undermine the <PERSON> presidency. There is nothing to contrast between <PERSON> and <PERSON>. The only lies and conspiracy in the <PERSON> administration come from within it. Plain and simple. This column is nonsense and an attempt to portray this scandal as a misunderstanding. But here's the thing <PERSON>, whether <PERSON> and his team naively or intently participated with the Russians, it proves that <PERSON> and his administration are unfit to lead this country (as if his entire hateful, hopeless campaign of nationalism without intelligent, viable ideas and his complete lack of honesty, dignity and grace while in office to date weren't enough).

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nyt_comments_9869165.0

Everything that the republicans and <PERSON> do is an attempt to undermine President <PERSON>'s legacy. The funny thing is that they can't get any of it right or do better, so they're enhancing his legacy even as they undermine what's in the best interest of the American people. President <PERSON> was a leader respected by the world except the fools who are now running and ruining this country.

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nyt_comments_987051.0

Last year I was invited to a trial for a gut condition. It involved having a colonoscopy before and after taking an oral medication for a period of time. On top of that, half the group would be getting a placebo. Concluding this was too much to ask, I declined and asked whether I could take the pills and report back on my results. They said no. On their behalf, however, they were taking folks over 80 years old.

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nyt_comments_987051.0

<PERSON>, I think you will find that credit unions are paying increasing attention to security for those who pay bills online. For example, several kinds of alerts are available which can show when your ID was successfully used and when someone else may have tried to use it. Also, many credit unions and banks are using the so-called two factor authentication where you can receive a phone call or text giving you a unique code to enter along with your password to log on. You can elect to bypass this on your own computer and have it work only with access from another one, as when you are traveling. Although doing online banking when away from home is not recommended. There are also little fobs that plug into a USB port that will send you a unique code to be used as above.

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"Both Mr. <PERSON>’s rhetoric and actions as president bear more than a passing resemblance to those of Mr. <PERSON> during his first years consolidating power." Would you not agree that Mr <PERSON> had a much more difficult job ahead of him than does <PERSON>? <PERSON> had to clean up after the <PERSON>/<PERSON>/IMF looting, while all <PERSON> has to do is sign whatever the GOP puts in front of him while continuing to make deals on the side.

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I remain skeptical about the Russia collusion issue that is now a hard Washington Narrative. The <PERSON> boogey-man theory remains a handy diversion from what is being done across the country by the president's underlings. The intel agencies record everything, yet all we have is an "assessment" by some hand-picked analysts from three agencies. Buried in that report is the following disclaimer: "Judgments are not intended to imply that we have proof that shows something to be a fact. Assessments are based on collected information, which is often incomplete or fragmentary, as well as logic, argumentation and precedents."

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Someone needs to emphasize that while the ACA applies to only about 7% of Americans, the Republicans intend to go much further by weakening both Medicaid and Medicare, affecting many more than the 20 million on the ACA. Tax cuts for the wealthy resulting from the loss of the subsidies and penalties that were part of the ACA will be small beans compared with what they do to the rest of the safety net.

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"Readers, on the other hand, face the serious test of whether they can show tolerance for views they don’t like, even those they fear are dangerous." It is not a matter of not liking conservative views; but knowing they are mostly wrong. For example, the mother and father of all being "Cutting taxes produces more revenue" and "We have the best health care in the world". As for being dangerous, they are so by routinely misinforming the public.

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"We are mired in low growth because of two simple factors: smaller increases in the labor force and softening improvements in the efficiency of our workers." I thought our problem was low demand from the public. Most people have seen little growth in wages and many are working in the service economy for low wages. The Fed is dumping money on Wall Street and they are sitting on it. Trump mentioned 'pump priming' the other day but lots of that goes to suppliers of Endless War. Now he talks about large cuts in the safety net which will leave people with even less money to spend.

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