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you learn by example, but seeing example means judging something ?? | >If I post some incident as example to learn, is it okay? because that means I am asking others to judge something? Yes, absolutely. A judgement, or opinion, is one of the few things we actually own. You get to form your own judgements/opinions based on your gathering of knowledge from many sources. Some knowledge will be the whole truth, and some will be smoke and mirrors that hide the truth. (So, not to be hurried away by appearances) It took years and years for old school Stoic Epictetus to formulate the short version of his years of experience observing the humans around him, and dictate this short reminder to one of his students, Arrian. The *time* and *respite* he's talking about below is like not expecting quick fixes for everything. (Again, not to be hurried away by appearances) Talk things out, dive deeper. Wait for it. It may take years to discover your contentment and well-being in every situation, but it's worth the journey. This is virtue ethics, and it's where you'll find well-reasoned answers, for the most part . >20. Remember, that not he who gives ill language or a blow insults, but the principle which represents these things as insulting. When, therefore, anyone provokes you, be assured that it is your own opinion which provokes you. Try, therefore, in the first place, not to be hurried away with the appearance. For if you once gain time and respite, you will more easily command yourself. Epictetus, Enchiridion (The handbook) | [
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"content": ">If I post some incident as example to learn, is it okay? because that means I am asking others to judge something? Yes, absolutely. A judgement, or opinion, is one of the few things we actually own. You get to form your own judgements/opinions based on your gathering of knowledge from many sources. Some knowledge will be the whole truth, and some will be smoke and mirrors that hide the truth. (So, not to be hurried away by appearances) It took years and years for old school Stoic Epictetus to formulate the short version of his years of experience observing the humans around him, and dictate this short reminder to one of his students, Arrian. The *time* and *respite* he's talking about below is like not expecting quick fixes for everything. (Again, not to be hurried away by appearances) Talk things out, dive deeper. Wait for it. It may take years to discover your contentment and well-being in every situation, but it's worth the journey. This is virtue ethics, and it's where you'll find well-reasoned answers, for the most part . >20. Remember, that not he who gives ill language or a blow insults, but the principle which represents these things as insulting. When, therefore, anyone provokes you, be assured that it is your own opinion which provokes you. Try, therefore, in the first place, not to be hurried away with the appearance. For if you once gain time and respite, you will more easily command yourself. Epictetus, Enchiridion (The handbook)"
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How to live amor fati when it's difficult? | Sounds like maybe you get to try lots of different things, that is something you could learn what suits you, what you like to do and what you don't, how you might do things differently if you became a manager, what sort of position you might look for when you are ready to change jobs Heaps of ways you can be grateful for what is going on. If you get to stay on the same task 2 days in a row (or 2 hours in a row) then perhaps more gratitude? Is your manager like this to everyone else or just you? Does he/she think you are super flexible? Whatever your manager's motivations, if you follow Stoicism then it is about doing you best. Not allowing their disorganisation (or deliberate disruption of your routines) to unsettle you. In hindsight you will find this was a good learning experience. | [
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"content": "Sounds like maybe you get to try lots of different things, that is something you could learn what suits you, what you like to do and what you don't, how you might do things differently if you became a manager, what sort of position you might look for when you are ready to change jobs Heaps of ways you can be grateful for what is going on. If you get to stay on the same task 2 days in a row (or 2 hours in a row) then perhaps more gratitude? Is your manager like this to everyone else or just you? Does he/she think you are super flexible? Whatever your manager's motivations, if you follow Stoicism then it is about doing you best. Not allowing their disorganisation (or deliberate disruption of your routines) to unsettle you. In hindsight you will find this was a good learning experience."
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is it me or just there's a lot of dislike for stoicism on the internet ? | Zeno of Citium defined happiness as "a smooth flow of life", which was later expanded (I think by Cleanthes, but I'm not sure) into "a smooth of flow of life in accord with Nature". So yes, we can agree happiness is the end goal, but the Stoic definition of happiness is different from "experiencing nice feelings". And personally I like the Stoic take on this much better. [Some further reading](https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Lives_of_the_Eminent_Philosophers/Book_VII#Zeno): >86. As for the assertion made by some people that pleasure is the object to which the first impulse of animals is directed, it is shown by the Stoics to be false. **For pleasure, if it is really felt, they declare to be a by-product, which never comes until nature by itself has sought and found the means suitable to the animal's existence or constitution; it is an aftermath comparable to the condition of animals thriving and plants in full bloom.** And nature, they say, made no difference originally between plants and animals, for she regulates the life of plants too, in their case without impulse and sensation, just as also certain processes go on of a vegetative kind in us. But when in the case of animals impulse has been superadded, whereby they are enabled to go in quest of their proper aliment, for them, say the Stoics, Nature's rule is to follow the direction of impulse. But when reason by way of a more perfect leadership has been bestowed on the beings we call rational, for them life according to reason rightly becomes the natural life. For reason supervenes to shape impulse scientifically. > >87. This is why Zeno was the first (in his treatise On the Nature of Man) to designate as the end "life in agreement with nature" (or living agreeably to nature), which is the same as a virtuous life, virtue being the goal towards which nature guides us. So too Cleanthes in his treatise On Pleasure, as also Posidonius, and Hecato in his work On Ends. Again, living virtuously is equivalent to living in accordance with experience of the actual course of nature, as Chrysippus says in the first book of his De finibus; for our individual natures are parts of the nature of the whole universe. 88. **And this is why the end may be defined as life in accordance with nature, or, in other words, in accordance with our own human nature as well as that of the universe, a life in which we refrain from every action forbidden by the law common to all things, that is to say, the right reason which pervades all things, and is identical with this Zeus, lord and ruler of all that is.** And this very thing constitutes the virtue of the happy man and the smooth current of life, when all actions promote the harmony of the spirit dwelling in the individual man with the will of him who orders the universe. Diogenes then expressly declares the end to be to act with good reason in the selection of what is natural. Archedemus says the end is to live in the performance of all befitting actions. | [
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"content": "Zeno of Citium defined happiness as \"a smooth flow of life\", which was later expanded (I think by Cleanthes, but I'm not sure) into \"a smooth of flow of life in accord with Nature\". So yes, we can agree happiness is the end goal, but the Stoic definition of happiness is different from \"experiencing nice feelings\". And personally I like the Stoic take on this much better. [Some further reading](https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Lives_of_the_Eminent_Philosophers/Book_VII#Zeno): >86. As for the assertion made by some people that pleasure is the object to which the first impulse of animals is directed, it is shown by the Stoics to be false. **For pleasure, if it is really felt, they declare to be a by-product, which never comes until nature by itself has sought and found the means suitable to the animal's existence or constitution; it is an aftermath comparable to the condition of animals thriving and plants in full bloom.** And nature, they say, made no difference originally between plants and animals, for she regulates the life of plants too, in their case without impulse and sensation, just as also certain processes go on of a vegetative kind in us. But when in the case of animals impulse has been superadded, whereby they are enabled to go in quest of their proper aliment, for them, say the Stoics, Nature's rule is to follow the direction of impulse. But when reason by way of a more perfect leadership has been bestowed on the beings we call rational, for them life according to reason rightly becomes the natural life. For reason supervenes to shape impulse scientifically. > >87. This is why Zeno was the first (in his treatise On the Nature of Man) to designate as the end \"life in agreement with nature\" (or living agreeably to nature), which is the same as a virtuous life, virtue being the goal towards which nature guides us. So too Cleanthes in his treatise On Pleasure, as also Posidonius, and Hecato in his work On Ends. Again, living virtuously is equivalent to living in accordance with experience of the actual course of nature, as Chrysippus says in the first book of his De finibus; for our individual natures are parts of the nature of the whole universe. 88. **And this is why the end may be defined as life in accordance with nature, or, in other words, in accordance with our own human nature as well as that of the universe, a life in which we refrain from every action forbidden by the law common to all things, that is to say, the right reason which pervades all things, and is identical with this Zeus, lord and ruler of all that is.** And this very thing constitutes the virtue of the happy man and the smooth current of life, when all actions promote the harmony of the spirit dwelling in the individual man with the will of him who orders the universe. Diogenes then expressly declares the end to be to act with good reason in the selection of what is natural. Archedemus says the end is to live in the performance of all befitting actions."
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How to practice patience...? How to be patient...? | In addition to the practical exercises and habits others are sharing, you might consider working on your *opinion* about the thing that has caused you this feeling of impatience. The Stoics argued that [passion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoic_passions) is the distress we feel when we are operating from certain beliefs that are in reality unreasonable and irrational. That is to say when we are incorrect about how the world works and what it means to be good or bad, but follow our opinions anyway, we come into conflict with reality, and that's hard on the mind when we are stubborn and continue down this irrational path anyway. Lust (*epithumia*) is the irrational desire, or pursuit of something we expect is good but in reality is bad (for any number of reasons). So when you're feeling impatient waiting for a thing, that should be your clue for further introspection and study. What is it that you believe is so good that you need it now? What would it mean if you never had it? What do you think it even means for a thing to be good or bad? If you agree with the Stoics that virtue, or the progress of a good character (marked by wisdom, sociability, and general contentment), is the only thing that is actually good, then it makes it easier to put these other things in their place. This is the purpose of study. | [
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"content": "In addition to the practical exercises and habits others are sharing, you might consider working on your *opinion* about the thing that has caused you this feeling of impatience. The Stoics argued that [passion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoic_passions) is the distress we feel when we are operating from certain beliefs that are in reality unreasonable and irrational. That is to say when we are incorrect about how the world works and what it means to be good or bad, but follow our opinions anyway, we come into conflict with reality, and that's hard on the mind when we are stubborn and continue down this irrational path anyway. Lust (*epithumia*) is the irrational desire, or pursuit of something we expect is good but in reality is bad (for any number of reasons). So when you're feeling impatient waiting for a thing, that should be your clue for further introspection and study. What is it that you believe is so good that you need it now? What would it mean if you never had it? What do you think it even means for a thing to be good or bad? If you agree with the Stoics that virtue, or the progress of a good character (marked by wisdom, sociability, and general contentment), is the only thing that is actually good, then it makes it easier to put these other things in their place. This is the purpose of study."
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Violent fantasies although I know it is wrong - how can I convince my inner chimp to let loose? | TL;DR - practice thinking more accurate thoughts about yourself and watch your urge to harm those who harm you disappear. You have to recognize that your feelings were hurt. Hurt feelings is a normal response to abuse. What exacerbates the normal processing of hurt is low self-esteem. Your OP contains words and phrases like "ashamed", "stupidly", "inner chimp", "only a mini part of the universe", and "unimportant". We have habits of thought about ourselves that we're mostly blind to. Low self-esteem can be particularly unhelpful when we're insulted because there's nothing there in our own thoughts of ourselves to offset the abuse, so the unconscious urge is to destroy or in some way belittle the other. The proper stoic response here is to restore a more accurate portrayal of yourself to yourself*.* We are small in the grand scheme of things, yes, but this by no means entails unimportance. You refer to your hurt inner self as "chimp", suggesting primitive or unevolved, but look closer. Unadulterated feelings are essential to our full enjoyment of life. Yes, our feelings are unreliable guides toward truth about the world, but they are brilliant indicators of what's happening inside of us. Stoics need to be very familiar with where exactly their emotions are rooted. And in this regard we are all unique, so it is imperative to learn exactly what you've accepted as true about yourself that can be switched out with something closer to the truth. Your value rests in simply being a conscious being, independent of what any individual, corporation, or society, thinks about you. The aggressive person who lashed out at you, his actions in reality have nothing to do with you and don't reflect on you in any way. Your life, however small beside the universe, nevertheless has legitimate, esteemable value. Stoicism is not self-belittlement. If anything it's employing logic to remove barriers to inner peace. In many cases this means recognizing the untruthful, shitty way we treat ourselves in our own minds and learning to be nicer and more generous to ourselves. | [
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"content": "TL;DR - practice thinking more accurate thoughts about yourself and watch your urge to harm those who harm you disappear. You have to recognize that your feelings were hurt. Hurt feelings is a normal response to abuse. What exacerbates the normal processing of hurt is low self-esteem. Your OP contains words and phrases like \"ashamed\", \"stupidly\", \"inner chimp\", \"only a mini part of the universe\", and \"unimportant\". We have habits of thought about ourselves that we're mostly blind to. Low self-esteem can be particularly unhelpful when we're insulted because there's nothing there in our own thoughts of ourselves to offset the abuse, so the unconscious urge is to destroy or in some way belittle the other. The proper stoic response here is to restore a more accurate portrayal of yourself to yourself*.* We are small in the grand scheme of things, yes, but this by no means entails unimportance. You refer to your hurt inner self as \"chimp\", suggesting primitive or unevolved, but look closer. Unadulterated feelings are essential to our full enjoyment of life. Yes, our feelings are unreliable guides toward truth about the world, but they are brilliant indicators of what's happening inside of us. Stoics need to be very familiar with where exactly their emotions are rooted. And in this regard we are all unique, so it is imperative to learn exactly what you've accepted as true about yourself that can be switched out with something closer to the truth. Your value rests in simply being a conscious being, independent of what any individual, corporation, or society, thinks about you. The aggressive person who lashed out at you, his actions in reality have nothing to do with you and don't reflect on you in any way. Your life, however small beside the universe, nevertheless has legitimate, esteemable value. Stoicism is not self-belittlement. If anything it's employing logic to remove barriers to inner peace. In many cases this means recognizing the untruthful, shitty way we treat ourselves in our own minds and learning to be nicer and more generous to ourselves."
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What are the best books on Stoicism? | You can't go wrong with the original texts. *Meditations*, *Discourses*, *Enchiridion*, and Seneca's letters and essays. Even Musonius Rufus' *Lectures* are good, too. (He was Epictetus' teacher.) I've heard Pierre Hadot had some good work on Stoicism as well, but I can't personally verify that. I also enjoy The Daily Stoic as bite-sized lessons with accompanying quotes to start my day (which is also one of its limitations), then I typically spend an hour or two daily studying one of the original texts. | [
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"content": "You can't go wrong with the original texts. *Meditations*, *Discourses*, *Enchiridion*, and Seneca's letters and essays. Even Musonius Rufus' *Lectures* are good, too. (He was Epictetus' teacher.) I've heard Pierre Hadot had some good work on Stoicism as well, but I can't personally verify that. I also enjoy The Daily Stoic as bite-sized lessons with accompanying quotes to start my day (which is also one of its limitations), then I typically spend an hour or two daily studying one of the original texts."
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How do you respond when people ask you about work? | You don't have to give a deep answer when people say that, just entertain them. The Stoics actually recommend this approach when interacting with people that don't know or don't care about philosophy. For example, if the person has lost someone dear to them then you should just offer condolences for their loss and grieve with them regardless of what Stoicism teaches us about death. You have nothing to prove to others, only to yourself. | [
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"content": "You don't have to give a deep answer when people say that, just entertain them. The Stoics actually recommend this approach when interacting with people that don't know or don't care about philosophy. For example, if the person has lost someone dear to them then you should just offer condolences for their loss and grieve with them regardless of what Stoicism teaches us about death. You have nothing to prove to others, only to yourself."
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How do you balance between stoicism and confronting/getting angry with people? | So what would happen if you took the approach of always replacing the toilet paper and putting the strainer in place? Your ego would probably take a hit and your sister would win a battle, but so what? You would save yourself being irritated and getting pissed off. However, you would gain piece of mind. Remember, it's only toilet paper and a shower stain. Save your energy for a bigger battle with your sister, if it ever comes to that. I am not a Stoic guru, but based on what I have learned, that would be my approach. It's the approach I took with my daughter with similar attitudes as your sister. In the end she came to realize that she could not longer ask me for certain favors because of her lack of maturity. More likely than not, the same thing will happen with your sister in the future. | [
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"content": "So what would happen if you took the approach of always replacing the toilet paper and putting the strainer in place? Your ego would probably take a hit and your sister would win a battle, but so what? You would save yourself being irritated and getting pissed off. However, you would gain piece of mind. Remember, it's only toilet paper and a shower stain. Save your energy for a bigger battle with your sister, if it ever comes to that. I am not a Stoic guru, but based on what I have learned, that would be my approach. It's the approach I took with my daughter with similar attitudes as your sister. In the end she came to realize that she could not longer ask me for certain favors because of her lack of maturity. More likely than not, the same thing will happen with your sister in the future."
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Thoughts on Andrew Tate claiming he teaches stoic values? | Epictetus, Discourses, 2.19 comes to mind ("To those who take up the teachings of the philosophers for the sake of talk alone"). It's a great read, and a reason I don't call myself a Stoic, but a practicing stoic. He may be able to "recite all the arguments of the Stoics" (Epictetus), but we can train a parrot to repeat maxims (Seneca). From what I've seen of him, he becomes whatever he needs to be because he hasn't figured out one of the key aspects of stoicism. Learning what is enough. We saw that when he decided to make a power play towards Greta Thunberg of having however many flashy, petrol-guzzling sports cars. In the same period we saw how fragile his ego was that when she responded, he decided to respond again in an attempt to make himself look good. Taking those two videos of his: 1) What does a practicing stoic need with more than one car? Can I drive more than one at a time? Given the rules of society, can any get me to my destination more quickly? 2) What benefit is there to a person of having a car (let alone a fleet of them) that has poor fuel economy? 3) What benefit is there to a person's morals and ethics of trying to poke fun at others? 4) How poorly does one have to bear an perceived slight that one has to respond to it? Are we not meant to not care about the reputation given to us by others? Are the views of those that don't know us meant to mean something to us? I've seen other videos as well where it's clear his personal views don't see people as people in the same way mine do. My concern (yes I have concerns, I'm a practicing stoic, not a fully realized Stoic) is that people like him, and others, use quotes from classical texts without the full context (for argument against which, see Seneca's Letters to Lucilius / Moral Letters, Letter XXXIII). This in turn leads others towards a "never enough" mindset, towards mimicking the actions of those parroting phrases, towards not questioning or examining things. There's a lot of nuance in the classical texts that needs examination, and there are standards of the times that are no longer applicable in the modern context. It's an issue I have with people parroting any ancient text, including the Bible. One can always find a quote or saying in any text that, out of context, can be used as evidence to uphold something you believe. True understanding of a subject comes from examining it. To the original point, he may say that he teaches stoicism, but the world is ultimately about action, not intention or words. His actions do not suggest he understands stoicism, and if he doesn't understand them, how can he truly teach anything other than a twisted husk using periodic out-of-context quotes? | [
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"content": "Epictetus, Discourses, 2.19 comes to mind (\"To those who take up the teachings of the philosophers for the sake of talk alone\"). It's a great read, and a reason I don't call myself a Stoic, but a practicing stoic. He may be able to \"recite all the arguments of the Stoics\" (Epictetus), but we can train a parrot to repeat maxims (Seneca). From what I've seen of him, he becomes whatever he needs to be because he hasn't figured out one of the key aspects of stoicism. Learning what is enough. We saw that when he decided to make a power play towards Greta Thunberg of having however many flashy, petrol-guzzling sports cars. In the same period we saw how fragile his ego was that when she responded, he decided to respond again in an attempt to make himself look good. Taking those two videos of his: 1) What does a practicing stoic need with more than one car? Can I drive more than one at a time? Given the rules of society, can any get me to my destination more quickly? 2) What benefit is there to a person of having a car (let alone a fleet of them) that has poor fuel economy? 3) What benefit is there to a person's morals and ethics of trying to poke fun at others? 4) How poorly does one have to bear an perceived slight that one has to respond to it? Are we not meant to not care about the reputation given to us by others? Are the views of those that don't know us meant to mean something to us? I've seen other videos as well where it's clear his personal views don't see people as people in the same way mine do. My concern (yes I have concerns, I'm a practicing stoic, not a fully realized Stoic) is that people like him, and others, use quotes from classical texts without the full context (for argument against which, see Seneca's Letters to Lucilius / Moral Letters, Letter XXXIII). This in turn leads others towards a \"never enough\" mindset, towards mimicking the actions of those parroting phrases, towards not questioning or examining things. There's a lot of nuance in the classical texts that needs examination, and there are standards of the times that are no longer applicable in the modern context. It's an issue I have with people parroting any ancient text, including the Bible. One can always find a quote or saying in any text that, out of context, can be used as evidence to uphold something you believe. True understanding of a subject comes from examining it. To the original point, he may say that he teaches stoicism, but the world is ultimately about action, not intention or words. His actions do not suggest he understands stoicism, and if he doesn't understand them, how can he truly teach anything other than a twisted husk using periodic out-of-context quotes?"
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Realising I don't feel fulfilled or like I've done a good job unless given external validation – advice on how to feel worthy and satisfied just from within? | Where do all your feelings come from? Feelings like validation, worthiness, confidence, hate, anger, happiness?? Understanding really where your feelings come from will open up a whole new perspective and you'll gain a sense of power and control over your life. Relying on the opinions of others to determine your self-worth will only lead to disappointment. Humans tend to seek out positive experiences and avoid negative ones. However, the determination of what is considered positive or negative is subjective and based on individual opinions and beliefs. Being confident means not needing validation from others. You have the power to choose your life's path without being influenced by the thoughts, feelings, opinions, or beliefs of others. Ultimately, your life is yours to live.. When we believe we have to have validation we become a slave to please everyone. The sacrifice is our desires and values, making it difficult to make important life decisions. Therefore, it's important to prioritize our personal goals, purpose, and personality in order to maintain a sense of self. "You don't have to set yourself on fire to keep others warm." Trying hard to please others, they will always expect more from you. Do what pleases you. You're not a puppet. | [
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"content": "Where do all your feelings come from? Feelings like validation, worthiness, confidence, hate, anger, happiness?? Understanding really where your feelings come from will open up a whole new perspective and you'll gain a sense of power and control over your life. Relying on the opinions of others to determine your self-worth will only lead to disappointment. Humans tend to seek out positive experiences and avoid negative ones. However, the determination of what is considered positive or negative is subjective and based on individual opinions and beliefs. Being confident means not needing validation from others. You have the power to choose your life's path without being influenced by the thoughts, feelings, opinions, or beliefs of others. Ultimately, your life is yours to live.. When we believe we have to have validation we become a slave to please everyone. The sacrifice is our desires and values, making it difficult to make important life decisions. Therefore, it's important to prioritize our personal goals, purpose, and personality in order to maintain a sense of self. \"You don't have to set yourself on fire to keep others warm.\" Trying hard to please others, they will always expect more from you. Do what pleases you. You're not a puppet."
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Is not wanting to be inconvenienced selfish? | There is a difference between being a pushover and having self respect. In a place with harsher winters, walking a block to/from your garage to gain access to your car vs going downstairs into your attached garage is a huge difference. Say you need to go out 60 times in total from December 1 to March 1. Let's say 50% of the 60 times you go out will be an outdoor setting, and the other half in an indoor setting. So for 30 times you go out, you will be going somewhere and remaining indoors, but bc you now have to walk a block to your car, you now have to spend more time every single time before you leave and return home to further dress up and dress down to account for the weather inconvenience. Now you have to factor the time/effort it takes to have to also wash the additional clothing. Time to pick out the clothing, too. The excess time and effort accumulates over time. Then the walk itself. In northern winters, black ice is a **major** problem in that one slip can cause significant harm to your body. (Most important factor imo and the reason I wouldn't swap. Why should I burden and suffer the consequences of someone else's poor decision making?). Odds are in the winter you're less likely to go out shopping as frequently as you do in the summer bc of bad weather. Now you have to carry more weight/items in the block walk and/or make multiple trips. All while the weather and potential black ice/snow inconvenience exists during the winter. I don't care what anyone says about being a dick. There's a massive difference between temporarily inconveniencing yourself vs chronically doing so just bc someone made a bad choice for themselves. An appropriate case to swap garages where I'd have no issue if it were me would be if my hypothetical roommate had any type of health condition/issue where having the attached in home garage be safer/better for them. | [
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"content": "There is a difference between being a pushover and having self respect. In a place with harsher winters, walking a block to/from your garage to gain access to your car vs going downstairs into your attached garage is a huge difference. Say you need to go out 60 times in total from December 1 to March 1. Let's say 50% of the 60 times you go out will be an outdoor setting, and the other half in an indoor setting. So for 30 times you go out, you will be going somewhere and remaining indoors, but bc you now have to walk a block to your car, you now have to spend more time every single time before you leave and return home to further dress up and dress down to account for the weather inconvenience. Now you have to factor the time/effort it takes to have to also wash the additional clothing. Time to pick out the clothing, too. The excess time and effort accumulates over time. Then the walk itself. In northern winters, black ice is a **major** problem in that one slip can cause significant harm to your body. (Most important factor imo and the reason I wouldn't swap. Why should I burden and suffer the consequences of someone else's poor decision making?). Odds are in the winter you're less likely to go out shopping as frequently as you do in the summer bc of bad weather. Now you have to carry more weight/items in the block walk and/or make multiple trips. All while the weather and potential black ice/snow inconvenience exists during the winter. I don't care what anyone says about being a dick. There's a massive difference between temporarily inconveniencing yourself vs chronically doing so just bc someone made a bad choice for themselves. An appropriate case to swap garages where I'd have no issue if it were me would be if my hypothetical roommate had any type of health condition/issue where having the attached in home garage be safer/better for them."
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Best books to gift a student of Stoicism? | If he doesn't have Senecas essays, you should definitely get those. Also Ciceros essays, especially 'On Ends', which is a source to the early stoics, and maybe Musonius Rufus. Those are only fragments, unfortunately, but he taught Epictetus, which makes him a wonder in my eyes. | [
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"content": "Best books to gift a student of Stoicism?"
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"content": "If he doesn't have Senecas essays, you should definitely get those. Also Ciceros essays, especially 'On Ends', which is a source to the early stoics, and maybe Musonius Rufus. Those are only fragments, unfortunately, but he taught Epictetus, which makes him a wonder in my eyes."
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Is Stoicism easier for introverts or extroverts? | Oh don’t feel bad I’m in same boat and started for the same reasons but it’s kind of the joke, it’s in going about these things in a round about way that gives the means to do the very things that initially got us interested in stoicism in the first place, kind of like “the best way to help yourself is to help others”, I had great difficulty with my more manic and depressing sides after I had several people very close die in a short amount of time. It was BAD, like not eating or gettin out of bed for weeks etc etc. the only thing that helped was when I found other people like myself and gave to them the kindness, hope, genuine understanding that I myself needed but wasn’t getting, this changed everything and allowed me to go from using stoicism to get through a day and my individual problems to giving me an entirely new perspective that I no longer even saw it how i used to and“fixed” it entirely. When we have the best intentions even for ourselves we can end up not giving ourselves the proper emotional and speculative distance required to actually resolve things completely, so instead of making progress we fix one issue just for another to take its place and we get stuck on the existential/emotional hamster wheel and stop growing in other areas that will actually help in getting us off the very wheel we mistakenly put ourselves..just food for thought I’m sure you’re doing great, stoicism is good like that in that even is we mess up if we acknowledge it and learn from it it is a step forward...even if certain aspects of us are always a little eccentric and colorful it can just be who we are and part of what makes us ourselves we accept as well as correct | [
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"content": "Oh don’t feel bad I’m in same boat and started for the same reasons but it’s kind of the joke, it’s in going about these things in a round about way that gives the means to do the very things that initially got us interested in stoicism in the first place, kind of like “the best way to help yourself is to help others”, I had great difficulty with my more manic and depressing sides after I had several people very close die in a short amount of time. It was BAD, like not eating or gettin out of bed for weeks etc etc. the only thing that helped was when I found other people like myself and gave to them the kindness, hope, genuine understanding that I myself needed but wasn’t getting, this changed everything and allowed me to go from using stoicism to get through a day and my individual problems to giving me an entirely new perspective that I no longer even saw it how i used to and“fixed” it entirely. When we have the best intentions even for ourselves we can end up not giving ourselves the proper emotional and speculative distance required to actually resolve things completely, so instead of making progress we fix one issue just for another to take its place and we get stuck on the existential/emotional hamster wheel and stop growing in other areas that will actually help in getting us off the very wheel we mistakenly put ourselves..just food for thought I’m sure you’re doing great, stoicism is good like that in that even is we mess up if we acknowledge it and learn from it it is a step forward...even if certain aspects of us are always a little eccentric and colorful it can just be who we are and part of what makes us ourselves we accept as well as correct"
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How do you maintain a stoic mind amidst anxiousness over situations? | Stoicism doesn't mean you make the anxiety go away. It means learning to deal with it in a productive way. I struggle with anxiety as well, and something that helps me is just feeling it, understanding it for what it is, and then doing my best to move forward according to my morals and values. There are some physical "cheat codes" as well, such as breathing techniques or getting up and moving a bit like doing a few jumping Jacks or something. You can't force yourself to not feel anxious, but you can get better at how you handle it. Good luck to you, friend. | [
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"content": "Stoicism doesn't mean you make the anxiety go away. It means learning to deal with it in a productive way. I struggle with anxiety as well, and something that helps me is just feeling it, understanding it for what it is, and then doing my best to move forward according to my morals and values. There are some physical \"cheat codes\" as well, such as breathing techniques or getting up and moving a bit like doing a few jumping Jacks or something. You can't force yourself to not feel anxious, but you can get better at how you handle it. Good luck to you, friend."
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so I heard a saying along the lines of "do not be heard complaining, even to yourself." How to implement that? | Crazy post OP! I'm also new to stoicism (\~ 3 weeks or something) and lately I've been thinking a lot about complaining. I've been in some situations in which I'm frustrated at something and I keep complaining about those things: I complain to myself and to others. I don't like having this attitude because I'm trying to become a more [playful](https://www.reddit.com/r/Stoicism/comments/13cp4re/stoicism_and_playfulness/) person and playfulness is inherently egoless in my opinion. With that being said, I don't think it's very Stoic to complain about things -- if we can't control them, there's nothing we can do; if we have some sort of control, we should just aim to do our best and nothing more. When someone is complaining that person is actually wasting time and energy doing that instead of focusing on achieving virtue. Yesterday I wrote on my journal : "only dumb people complain". It's an easy, simplified way of saying "complaining is usually worthless". | [
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"content": "so I heard a saying along the lines of \"do not be heard complaining, even to yourself.\" How to implement that?"
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"content": "Crazy post OP! I'm also new to stoicism (\\~ 3 weeks or something) and lately I've been thinking a lot about complaining. I've been in some situations in which I'm frustrated at something and I keep complaining about those things: I complain to myself and to others. I don't like having this attitude because I'm trying to become a more [playful](https://www.reddit.com/r/Stoicism/comments/13cp4re/stoicism_and_playfulness/) person and playfulness is inherently egoless in my opinion. With that being said, I don't think it's very Stoic to complain about things -- if we can't control them, there's nothing we can do; if we have some sort of control, we should just aim to do our best and nothing more. When someone is complaining that person is actually wasting time and energy doing that instead of focusing on achieving virtue. Yesterday I wrote on my journal : \"only dumb people complain\". It's an easy, simplified way of saying \"complaining is usually worthless\"."
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I'm just worried what should I do? any stoic advice? | From what you post, you do have a difficult external situation. Of course, practically you want to do what you can for your loved ones. Consider what is wise, what you can actually do for them Then accept (easy said, hard to do), that you have done all that you can. And concentrate on you. They will want you to pass your exams. That is your focus after you have done everything you can for them. If you have been following Stoicism for a while, you will know it is about doing your best and making the best (virtuous) choices that you can in a situation. Learning to allow your mind to concentrate on yourself and what you can do, and learning not to dwell on what is outside of your influence. You **cannot** directly stop these events, you **can** be wise as to any way you can assist these others, then you must live virtuously and be strong to assist in any way you can depending how future events play out | [
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"content": "From what you post, you do have a difficult external situation. Of course, practically you want to do what you can for your loved ones. Consider what is wise, what you can actually do for them Then accept (easy said, hard to do), that you have done all that you can. And concentrate on you. They will want you to pass your exams. That is your focus after you have done everything you can for them. If you have been following Stoicism for a while, you will know it is about doing your best and making the best (virtuous) choices that you can in a situation. Learning to allow your mind to concentrate on yourself and what you can do, and learning not to dwell on what is outside of your influence. You **cannot** directly stop these events, you **can** be wise as to any way you can assist these others, then you must live virtuously and be strong to assist in any way you can depending how future events play out"
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What does stoicism have to say about passion? | While the fact that you are irrational when you are in a passion and that, at this stage, you might have lost control might be true. It's important to remember that does not excuse passion as something indifferent that is outside our control. Succumbing to passion in the first place is well within our control and thus is considered a vice by Stoic. Seneca, in book 2 of his essay On Anger, says: "The term 'passion' should be applied to none of these responses that merely chance to move the mind: the mind doesn't so much cause them as suffer them, if I can put it that way. Passion, then, consists not in being stirred in response to impressions presented to us, but in surrendering ourselves to those impressions and following up the mind's first chance movement" | [
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"content": "While the fact that you are irrational when you are in a passion and that, at this stage, you might have lost control might be true. It's important to remember that does not excuse passion as something indifferent that is outside our control. Succumbing to passion in the first place is well within our control and thus is considered a vice by Stoic. Seneca, in book 2 of his essay On Anger, says: \"The term 'passion' should be applied to none of these responses that merely chance to move the mind: the mind doesn't so much cause them as suffer them, if I can put it that way. Passion, then, consists not in being stirred in response to impressions presented to us, but in surrendering ourselves to those impressions and following up the mind's first chance movement\""
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Recommendations for stoic passages/excerpts to meditate on after a bad day at work? | First you need to sit and think through what made the day "bad". Is it that you acted badly (non-virtuously) and made poor choices, is it that others disrespected you, or is it that events did not play out as you would have wished These are different situations For myself, I would go to my favourite Stoic book Discourses by Epictetus (I have the modern edition The Art of Living) and sit with the ancient wisdom there One passage I read yesterday was "Your will needn't be affected by an incident unless you let it. Remember this with everything that happens to you" | [
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"content": "First you need to sit and think through what made the day \"bad\". Is it that you acted badly (non-virtuously) and made poor choices, is it that others disrespected you, or is it that events did not play out as you would have wished These are different situations For myself, I would go to my favourite Stoic book Discourses by Epictetus (I have the modern edition The Art of Living) and sit with the ancient wisdom there One passage I read yesterday was \"Your will needn't be affected by an incident unless you let it. Remember this with everything that happens to you\""
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How those around me see a possible failure | >Also, your annoyance shows that you probably did care to some degree. I disagree with this assessment. It is possible that OP had some negative feelings, and they were spilling into his interactions. However, it's also possible that his annoyance resulted from the interactions. It's just as you described. >It is basically considered sad to lose the competition and it is considered nice and kind to cheer up such person. It's like the resting bitch face phenomenon; well-meaning people see something they would view as negative and attempt to help, when in truth there is no negativity to be found. "That's just my face," or in this case, "that's how you see the situation." But, at least for me, when I first started seeing results with stoicism and first started encountering this phenomenon, it annoyed me. I understood people were just trying to help, but it felt patronizing because I didn't need it. I suspect OP could be experiencing this, also. Eventually, if they continue to practice (or if they read this comment), they'll realize they need to reassess their judgments and remind themselves that the actions of others are indifferent. OP, I think Epictetus would encourage you to be thankful that you have people who care for your well-being and understand this event could affect it, even if it doesn’t. | [
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"content": ">Also, your annoyance shows that you probably did care to some degree. I disagree with this assessment. It is possible that OP had some negative feelings, and they were spilling into his interactions. However, it's also possible that his annoyance resulted from the interactions. It's just as you described. >It is basically considered sad to lose the competition and it is considered nice and kind to cheer up such person. It's like the resting bitch face phenomenon; well-meaning people see something they would view as negative and attempt to help, when in truth there is no negativity to be found. \"That's just my face,\" or in this case, \"that's how you see the situation.\" But, at least for me, when I first started seeing results with stoicism and first started encountering this phenomenon, it annoyed me. I understood people were just trying to help, but it felt patronizing because I didn't need it. I suspect OP could be experiencing this, also. Eventually, if they continue to practice (or if they read this comment), they'll realize they need to reassess their judgments and remind themselves that the actions of others are indifferent. OP, I think Epictetus would encourage you to be thankful that you have people who care for your well-being and understand this event could affect it, even if it doesn’t."
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How to be Economically Stoic? | Friend, I would like to challenge you on something. I hear a lack of Courage in your voice. There is more to do than protest to help our world. Namely, organize. It can be challenging to engage with and gain the support of others, and you certainly won't succeed in every case, but it can have an even greater impact than protesting in most circumstances. But it takes Courage. Is others sharing your interests enough to give up on an occupation? Doctors continue to be in high demand across the board, so why would others' interest sway your decision? There might be good reasons in terms of timing of payoff or effort or interest in the subject... but I suspect fear is driving that thought process more than not. Stoicism calls on us to have Courage, to do so in service of Justice, to be Wise about the actions we take, and to do so in Moderate ways so that we don't exhaust ourselves. It is not a philosophy for retreating away from what we aren't 100% sure will work out. What's more, that you can see and consider these approaches suggests that *you also have the power to tackle them*. `The obstacle IS the way`. Stoicism teaches that there is an advantage in every unfortunate situation. There's competition? How is the pack moving so you can take a different approach? What is the herd focused on that's common so you can focus on what's rare? How can you coordinate the interest and energy of many people into something more effective together? I, an Internet stranger, believe in you, friend. Do not sell yourself short and think that retreating into false humility is your only option. That is not the path to a good life. Keeping a sense of peace while living a life that resonates with you... that is the path forward. I wish you the best of luck. | [
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"content": "Friend, I would like to challenge you on something. I hear a lack of Courage in your voice. There is more to do than protest to help our world. Namely, organize. It can be challenging to engage with and gain the support of others, and you certainly won't succeed in every case, but it can have an even greater impact than protesting in most circumstances. But it takes Courage. Is others sharing your interests enough to give up on an occupation? Doctors continue to be in high demand across the board, so why would others' interest sway your decision? There might be good reasons in terms of timing of payoff or effort or interest in the subject... but I suspect fear is driving that thought process more than not. Stoicism calls on us to have Courage, to do so in service of Justice, to be Wise about the actions we take, and to do so in Moderate ways so that we don't exhaust ourselves. It is not a philosophy for retreating away from what we aren't 100% sure will work out. What's more, that you can see and consider these approaches suggests that *you also have the power to tackle them*. `The obstacle IS the way`. Stoicism teaches that there is an advantage in every unfortunate situation. There's competition? How is the pack moving so you can take a different approach? What is the herd focused on that's common so you can focus on what's rare? How can you coordinate the interest and energy of many people into something more effective together? I, an Internet stranger, believe in you, friend. Do not sell yourself short and think that retreating into false humility is your only option. That is not the path to a good life. Keeping a sense of peace while living a life that resonates with you... that is the path forward. I wish you the best of luck."
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Are Mantras a bad idea? | You have posted with the flair "Seeking Stoic Advice", so my first question would be - are you trying to follow Stoic ideas with readings and practices and these mantras are an 'extra', or do you think that having these mantras is somehow Stoic? On the whole I would think that the mantras you mention are of very little use, and can set up toxic positivity in which a person tells themselves they are successful etc but when the positive thinking does not work then they feel they have failed and feel worse than ever. Much more helpful is to have a look at the deep wisdom of Stoicism, where there are thoughts and practices that can be much more helpful to living well Have a look at the links on this page to resources that are free, or have a look at other posts on this sub, or you can explore podcasts or Youtube etc. Make sure you look for capital S Stoicism cos there is an unhelpful offshoot spelt with a little s and that just takes you down the wormhole | [
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"content": "You have posted with the flair \"Seeking Stoic Advice\", so my first question would be - are you trying to follow Stoic ideas with readings and practices and these mantras are an 'extra', or do you think that having these mantras is somehow Stoic? On the whole I would think that the mantras you mention are of very little use, and can set up toxic positivity in which a person tells themselves they are successful etc but when the positive thinking does not work then they feel they have failed and feel worse than ever. Much more helpful is to have a look at the deep wisdom of Stoicism, where there are thoughts and practices that can be much more helpful to living well Have a look at the links on this page to resources that are free, or have a look at other posts on this sub, or you can explore podcasts or Youtube etc. Make sure you look for capital S Stoicism cos there is an unhelpful offshoot spelt with a little s and that just takes you down the wormhole"
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Smoking? | Wow. There are some self-righteous, preachy people when it comes to this. People acting like Stoics never got drunk, overate, and let’s pretend like some of them didn’t own slaves. How many of you eat pepperoni, sausage, bacon, deli meats? Go see what the American Cancer Society says about that while you’re up there on your high horse. Here’s my take. I smoke pipes & cigars but not cigarettes. There’s just too much stuff added to cigs, and I prefer not to inhale. I enjoy the flavor and aroma of properly stored tobacco and cigs don’t provide that, but I don’t judge anyone that prefers their ease, convenience, and time (pipes & cigars require much more time). I enjoy a pipe or cigar while reading (sometimes Meditations, Seneca, or old Epi). A pipe or cigar will give you a much more calming and relaxed feeling without needing to inhale. If you’re curious to learn more, feel free to dm me. Lots of folks have used pipes & cigars to get off cigs. And I don’t find them all that addictive. I stopped cold turkey when I went back to school to get my MBA because I was so busy. I abstain 1 or 2 months throughout the year just to reset my Nicotine tolerance and all that and I experience no withdrawals or real cravings. I miss the solitude, relaxation, and mindfulness though. I often just watch the smoke waft away as I sit quietly or with instrumental music playing and reflect on the day or issues that are stressing me. | [
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"content": "Wow. There are some self-righteous, preachy people when it comes to this. People acting like Stoics never got drunk, overate, and let’s pretend like some of them didn’t own slaves. How many of you eat pepperoni, sausage, bacon, deli meats? Go see what the American Cancer Society says about that while you’re up there on your high horse. Here’s my take. I smoke pipes & cigars but not cigarettes. There’s just too much stuff added to cigs, and I prefer not to inhale. I enjoy the flavor and aroma of properly stored tobacco and cigs don’t provide that, but I don’t judge anyone that prefers their ease, convenience, and time (pipes & cigars require much more time). I enjoy a pipe or cigar while reading (sometimes Meditations, Seneca, or old Epi). A pipe or cigar will give you a much more calming and relaxed feeling without needing to inhale. If you’re curious to learn more, feel free to dm me. Lots of folks have used pipes & cigars to get off cigs. And I don’t find them all that addictive. I stopped cold turkey when I went back to school to get my MBA because I was so busy. I abstain 1 or 2 months throughout the year just to reset my Nicotine tolerance and all that and I experience no withdrawals or real cravings. I miss the solitude, relaxation, and mindfulness though. I often just watch the smoke waft away as I sit quietly or with instrumental music playing and reflect on the day or issues that are stressing me."
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What is a quote you live by? | it’s hard to give just a single maxim, because certain maxims will be relevant today while others will be more relevant next week. it depends on circumstances. however, there are a few maxims that i recall regardless now then. „As within, so without; as without, so within.“ this is probably one of my favourites, reminding me of the eikon in me of without, the inner peace that comes when live according to timeless principles and virtue, and the flow of Nature. the second sort of follows up on this: „Try to bring back the divine in you to the divine in the All.“ knowing thyself, you now know where you’re heading. another quote that i’m contemplating now i’ll post in the original greek, since im learning greek and came across it: „ὁδος ἄνω κάτω μία καὶ ἡ αὐτὴ“ (the road upwards and the road downwards are one and the same - Heraclitus) secondly, gotta post one from the man Epictetus whose handbook i’ve been reading: „some things are up to us and some are not“ in the very first line. it seems so trivial but it really isn’t. there is so much wisdom in one line. how many people bullshit themselves into thinking they can change things that cannot be? how many deceive themselves into believing they are powerless and cannot change what can be? how much pain and suffering comes from that self-deception? | [
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"content": "it’s hard to give just a single maxim, because certain maxims will be relevant today while others will be more relevant next week. it depends on circumstances. however, there are a few maxims that i recall regardless now then. „As within, so without; as without, so within.“ this is probably one of my favourites, reminding me of the eikon in me of without, the inner peace that comes when live according to timeless principles and virtue, and the flow of Nature. the second sort of follows up on this: „Try to bring back the divine in you to the divine in the All.“ knowing thyself, you now know where you’re heading. another quote that i’m contemplating now i’ll post in the original greek, since im learning greek and came across it: „ὁδος ἄνω κάτω μία καὶ ἡ αὐτὴ“ (the road upwards and the road downwards are one and the same - Heraclitus) secondly, gotta post one from the man Epictetus whose handbook i’ve been reading: „some things are up to us and some are not“ in the very first line. it seems so trivial but it really isn’t. there is so much wisdom in one line. how many people bullshit themselves into thinking they can change things that cannot be? how many deceive themselves into believing they are powerless and cannot change what can be? how much pain and suffering comes from that self-deception?"
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What Can We Learn from Seneca Today? | I have just read and enjoyed that David Fideler article. Thank you for posting. | [
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Stoic approach to someone trying to steal my girlfriend? | No one can steal a girlfriend because their not ours, the person who chooses is them. Do we really want to hold someone hostage if they wish to leave? What about someone who entertains it? Well that’s our choice in the matter. Epictetus points out if you value your partners looks then why would you be surprised if someone else values the same thing, if not more? Id offer that if they can be “stolen” then that’s exactly what you want to happen so you can find someone who doesn’t have that consideration. Another fun point, most people have not the slightest clue why they fall in love, just like any hole, if you don’t know how you got in it you’ll probably fall in another one (fall for another person). That being said it’s the choice of the one in the hole to keep digging or to climb out. Of course take what is useful and discard the rest. | [
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"content": "No one can steal a girlfriend because their not ours, the person who chooses is them. Do we really want to hold someone hostage if they wish to leave? What about someone who entertains it? Well that’s our choice in the matter. Epictetus points out if you value your partners looks then why would you be surprised if someone else values the same thing, if not more? Id offer that if they can be “stolen” then that’s exactly what you want to happen so you can find someone who doesn’t have that consideration. Another fun point, most people have not the slightest clue why they fall in love, just like any hole, if you don’t know how you got in it you’ll probably fall in another one (fall for another person). That being said it’s the choice of the one in the hole to keep digging or to climb out. Of course take what is useful and discard the rest."
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How can I read Meditations and Stoic Journal as a Beginner. | The Meditations can be a really profound or confusing read depending on the person, most people read it a few times before they start getting it. If it’s your first Stoic book you have to know that Marcus isn’t trying to explain the terms because this book was his journal. Not only that but the advice he’s giving might not be relevant to you where you are. One line that comes to mind, he says “throw your books away”, and most people get confused. For him he’s been studying for 40 years, he’s read *all* the books, books we don’t even have, that is not applicable to us. Another example, “don’t argue what a good man should be, be one”. Most people use this to steer headlong into their preconceptions of good which are not even good. I’d say take your time and if you can get a note book and jot down what you’re learning (and reference where your learning that). In time as you get more understanding you might find your initial thoughts changed with more study. You might read a different book first to learn the terms and ideas Marcus mentions. The Discourses of Epictetus is essentially lecture notes from a Stoic classroom and will fill you in. The chapters are self contained so if anything is too hard you can come back to it later. Reading Epictetus first let’s you see how much Marcus got directly from his teaching (since it’s a book he mentions by name as making him a Stoic). Of course take what is useful and discard the rest. | [
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Dealing with jealousy? | “He who compares himself with that which is below him is unhappy, and he who compares himself with that which is above him is proud.” - Epictetus “A person’s worth is measured by the worth of what they value.” - Seneca “If you live in harmony with nature, you will never be poor; if you live according to what others think, you will never be rich.” - Seneca “He who envies others does not obtain peace of mind.” - Seneca | [
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What if I’m just not attractive at all to women? What should I do? | Focus less on building a 'you' that women will like, and more on building a 'you' that *you* can enjoy spending time with. You might be surprised at how people respond to that, and how much it will change your life for the better. It will make you less needy. Less desperate to get into a relationship, any relationship. Or stay in a relationship that's bad. It will make you a partner who can trust and who can give his partner some freedom and space, instead of being needy and codependent. It will make you able to spend some time alone even when you are in a relationship, and thus bear separation which may be thrust upon the two of you by factors outside your control. In every possible way and in many you don't even think possible, being comfortable by yourself will make you a better partner. So don't think of the time until you find someone as time wasted on searching. Think of it as time earned to grow. For yourself, and for the people you'll meet in your life. I know nobody wants to hear this (or believes it) at 20, but it really is too young to worry about the future. Worry more about the habits you're making now for the future you. I got into my first relationship at 31. 6 years later, it's better with every single day that passes. It started out wonderful, so that shouldn't be possible. And yet. | [
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"content": "Focus less on building a 'you' that women will like, and more on building a 'you' that *you* can enjoy spending time with. You might be surprised at how people respond to that, and how much it will change your life for the better. It will make you less needy. Less desperate to get into a relationship, any relationship. Or stay in a relationship that's bad. It will make you a partner who can trust and who can give his partner some freedom and space, instead of being needy and codependent. It will make you able to spend some time alone even when you are in a relationship, and thus bear separation which may be thrust upon the two of you by factors outside your control. In every possible way and in many you don't even think possible, being comfortable by yourself will make you a better partner. So don't think of the time until you find someone as time wasted on searching. Think of it as time earned to grow. For yourself, and for the people you'll meet in your life. I know nobody wants to hear this (or believes it) at 20, but it really is too young to worry about the future. Worry more about the habits you're making now for the future you. I got into my first relationship at 31. 6 years later, it's better with every single day that passes. It started out wonderful, so that shouldn't be possible. And yet."
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Is it possible to break/change an impression I've made upon a person despite it already being strong? If so, how? | Cool man i think you got this. You seem more marure than i was in school (or maybe now too 🤔) And yeha is ee what you mena but i think lvoe is love you know, some is stronger than other, some is more dillusional than the other, soke more obssessive or temporary, or w.e. but i dontsee it in as bad light as you do as long as its under control and doesnt do damage. Some of the best moment sin my life so far have been based on these inftuations / lust , i including my now gf. I have lots of respect for it but i know its not a common take | [
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"content": "Cool man i think you got this. You seem more marure than i was in school (or maybe now too 🤔) And yeha is ee what you mena but i think lvoe is love you know, some is stronger than other, some is more dillusional than the other, soke more obssessive or temporary, or w.e. but i dontsee it in as bad light as you do as long as its under control and doesnt do damage. Some of the best moment sin my life so far have been based on these inftuations / lust , i including my now gf. I have lots of respect for it but i know its not a common take"
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How do you determine your goals/values? | Lawrence Becker has a fantastic book called Modern Stoicism and he tackles this from the perspective of imagining where Stoicism would be today if the school had never shut down and continued to exist through the centuries. There's a whole section where he lays out a logical argument for precisely how to discern one's goals. I'm going to butcher it here for brevity, but hopefully you'll get the idea, and if you're interested in more you can find the book anywhere. What I like about it is that while it's a very meaty philosophy book, the real substance of philosophy is at the end of the chapter so fluffheads like me can still understand the argument without having to wade through stuff over my head, and people with real knowledge of philosophy can delve deeper. He argues, very briefly and incompletely, that a reasonable choice: * Creates normative propositions about what one ought to do or be. * Endeavors to apply practical reasoning devoted to whatever task is identified. * Prioritizes tasks to reasonably allocate one's time and effort. * Resolves conflict between different goals by integrating them so they can each be successfully pursued. * Considers how to optimize tasks by taking into consideration the reality and needs of society at large. * Recognizes the integrated nature between developing endeavors and developing one's general prioritization habits, which is what shapes and develops one's agency over all. The development and improvement of this agency, or character, is what Stoics called virtue. * Recognizes any localized endeavor will be dominated by the larger volition of improving one's agency, or virtue. No one can tell you how this process will look for you in this endeavor because your reasoning process will include your duties, your personality, your interests, your values, and other things you'll incorporate along the way. In this way, there is no "right or wrong" way to proceed, but you can be more or less reasonable throughout this process. Regardless of the choice you make, going to the park with your family or working on a creative project, you can act reasonably, intelligently, and ethically. This takes time. You'll get the hang of it through trial and error. There's no right or wrong way to life, but you can be intentional. And like any new skill, living intentionally takes practice. And don't forget errors are good for learning because they reflect errors of judgment, and judgement is where the *prokopton* focuses their attention. Refining your ability to judge well takes time and practice, so try not to think of them as failures or mistakes, but building a new skill. | [
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Preferred translation of the Enichridion and Letters from a Stoic? | Seneca letters from Chicago press (blue book) is the most comprehensive and well translate available. For Enchiridion some prefer Robin Waterfield translation, i do personally have a slight preference for Robin Hard. You can also check this reading if you want some other books https://traditionalstoicism.com/recommended-reading/ | [
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Is it “cowardly” to be in the middle/generally apathetic? | >I’ve always been interested in stoicism (though I can never figure out how to apply it to my life) This one seems easy to address. Find a quote you like, and then think about it. "All cruelty springs from weakness" When you act cruelly, or you see someone acting cruelly, understand that it's coming from a place of weakness. What is the weakness and what is the root cause of it? Considering those questions whenever you encounter cruelty will provide you valuable insights. All philosophy takes consideration and practice. ”It’s not because things are difficult that we dare not venture. It’s because we dare not venture that they are difficult.” A lot of people seem to be living life as if they're in a character selection screen. They watch others live via YT, IG, etc, but they are not living and experiencing things themselves. They have thoughts about the world, beliefs, mostly aligned with things they've seen on the internet, but they don't "practice" any of it - it's just theory, and so they don't truly understand it. Why do they do this? Fear, lack of opportunity and community and social roles, trauma, etc - there are lots of reasons. Stoicism takes sitting and thinking and considering, and it takes experiencing the world with that wisdom in mind to find the ways it can be applied. The easiest way to get started, imo, is to look through a list of Stoic quotes and paste the ones you like into a doc/xls. You can read Seneca's Letters for [free](https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Moral_letters_to_Lucilius) but don't feel obligated and don't try to read it in order - find letters you find interesting and give them a look - you'll be surprised at how insightful they are. Hope this helps. | [
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"content": ">I’ve always been interested in stoicism (though I can never figure out how to apply it to my life) This one seems easy to address. Find a quote you like, and then think about it. \"All cruelty springs from weakness\" When you act cruelly, or you see someone acting cruelly, understand that it's coming from a place of weakness. What is the weakness and what is the root cause of it? Considering those questions whenever you encounter cruelty will provide you valuable insights. All philosophy takes consideration and practice. ”It’s not because things are difficult that we dare not venture. It’s because we dare not venture that they are difficult.” A lot of people seem to be living life as if they're in a character selection screen. They watch others live via YT, IG, etc, but they are not living and experiencing things themselves. They have thoughts about the world, beliefs, mostly aligned with things they've seen on the internet, but they don't \"practice\" any of it - it's just theory, and so they don't truly understand it. Why do they do this? Fear, lack of opportunity and community and social roles, trauma, etc - there are lots of reasons. Stoicism takes sitting and thinking and considering, and it takes experiencing the world with that wisdom in mind to find the ways it can be applied. The easiest way to get started, imo, is to look through a list of Stoic quotes and paste the ones you like into a doc/xls. You can read Seneca's Letters for [free](https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Moral_letters_to_Lucilius) but don't feel obligated and don't try to read it in order - find letters you find interesting and give them a look - you'll be surprised at how insightful they are. Hope this helps."
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Overcoming failure? | You cannot change what has happened, so let it go. Sure, learn from it and don't make the same mistake again, but there's no actual value in beating yourself up and making yourself miserable. What you do now, is to make a plan. A study plan so that you go through the material and are well placed to pass next time round. And a life plan, that helps you to be more resilient. An exam can be failed for multiple reasons eg you might feel sick, or miss the coursework through life events, or not studying the right curriculum, or not studying at all. There will be times in life where your plans are derailed again, you need to accept that this can happen. Doing your best is the best thing to do, always. Do your best from right now onwards. This is Stoic philosophy. Have a look at the links on this page for other aspects of the philosophy, it is super helpful to navigate life and create realistic expectations. | [
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"content": "You cannot change what has happened, so let it go. Sure, learn from it and don't make the same mistake again, but there's no actual value in beating yourself up and making yourself miserable. What you do now, is to make a plan. A study plan so that you go through the material and are well placed to pass next time round. And a life plan, that helps you to be more resilient. An exam can be failed for multiple reasons eg you might feel sick, or miss the coursework through life events, or not studying the right curriculum, or not studying at all. There will be times in life where your plans are derailed again, you need to accept that this can happen. Doing your best is the best thing to do, always. Do your best from right now onwards. This is Stoic philosophy. Have a look at the links on this page for other aspects of the philosophy, it is super helpful to navigate life and create realistic expectations."
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Recite as a mantra? | Where does this usage of mantra come from? Looking into Shingon Buddhism, they chant mantras to become one with God/the universe/Vairocana; and most of the time it’s just the god’s name you’re trying to invoke. If you chant “it’s all okay” every time something happens, what does that mean? I fell and broke my nose, messing up my face “it’s all okay?” Not knocking the idea, but make sure the mantra you’re going to choose is sufficiently comprehensive enough to be an answer to everything. If we’re doing Stoicism, why not learn more about Virtue according to the Stoics? “Virtue is the only good” is applicable to each and every situation; it’s a balm against ill fortune, a warning against good fortune. If you know what Virtue means for the Stoic, it’s a directive for what to do in every situation. “I damaged my face” “Well my friend, thankfully Virtue is the only good” “I won the lottery” “Yes, but Virtue remains the only good” “I can’t decide what to eat for lunch” “But Virtue is the only good, so don’t worry about it; indecisiveness over trivial indifferents is a Vice” It could be a useful method; it reminds me more of Zen Koans than actual mantras though. | [
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"content": "Where does this usage of mantra come from? Looking into Shingon Buddhism, they chant mantras to become one with God/the universe/Vairocana; and most of the time it’s just the god’s name you’re trying to invoke. If you chant “it’s all okay” every time something happens, what does that mean? I fell and broke my nose, messing up my face “it’s all okay?” Not knocking the idea, but make sure the mantra you’re going to choose is sufficiently comprehensive enough to be an answer to everything. If we’re doing Stoicism, why not learn more about Virtue according to the Stoics? “Virtue is the only good” is applicable to each and every situation; it’s a balm against ill fortune, a warning against good fortune. If you know what Virtue means for the Stoic, it’s a directive for what to do in every situation. “I damaged my face” “Well my friend, thankfully Virtue is the only good” “I won the lottery” “Yes, but Virtue remains the only good” “I can’t decide what to eat for lunch” “But Virtue is the only good, so don’t worry about it; indecisiveness over trivial indifferents is a Vice” It could be a useful method; it reminds me more of Zen Koans than actual mantras though."
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"The best revenge is not to be like that"Meditations 6:6. But what if it is? | It's just, revenge is a word, a powerful one at that. And I think using if seemed to hide everything I wrote in the post. There was an element of "social correction". An Aurelius quote about truth and a clear understanding that my focus should be on "what is up to me". Should we ignore things we know to be socially wrong and unacceptable simply because we can use stoicism to do away with the power of impressions? I mentioned rising above the an "eye for an eye", and doing revenge simply to demonstrate truth to a person, the way I wish it to be demonstrated to me(Aurelius quote). I believe I was offended by something I deemed socially unacceptable(I'm human), dealt with the impression. Unjust exists outside us otherwise why would the authors of stoic texts live in communities with laws? Weren't our stoic thinkers protected by the law, didn't they need that protection, flourish with its help. How powerful is the stoicism we practice without the laws in the places we practice it in? Pick 10 things the law protects you from and imagine those laws gone. Do the people who do those 10 things against you simply people move on from. Do you just go practicing your stoic philosophy without attempting to correct them, knowing they will repeat things you deem unacceptable but the law doesn't to 10, 20 different people. In a situation like this, I was pondering stoicism and social correction, knowing, we live in different parts of the world where what is socially acceptable and isn't varies. Where what is legal and isn't varies. | [
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What to do in an unfair situation? | I am sure this is really difficult for you.
What will complaining accomplish?
Complaining can become a habit and close many doors into your future.
Believe it or not when we complain and get validation it’s a hit of dopamine, this creates a deeper strong possibility to use this as a means to navigate life. Unfortunately it’s has a cost to it.
It continues to build on the neuropathway to left brain thinking, this is where stress, anxiety, worry, concern and to put it bluntly suffering resides.
Complaining won't help. Blaming others won't change things.
“What stands in the way becomes the way.” - Marcus Aurelius
We can’t always control what happens to us, but we can decide how we react to it. When you’re met with hardship, you can complain or you can look for a way to improve the situation. The way through hardship is now the new path.
How do you want to feel?
You see as I see it, there’s 10 days to buckle down, how much of your life is that? Will you remember this in 10 years? Will it matter in 10 years? This could be a pivotal moment in your life.
So how do you want to feel??
Do you know that your supervisor can’t inject feelings into your body of anger and unfairness?
Your thoughts are creating this feeling.
So how do you want to feel?
Answer this question when you’re in a headspace and physically in a place you feel relaxed, calm and at peace.
Examples might be: excited, capable, strong, brave, stoic, resilient, hopeful, eager, willing, courageous, optimistic, worthy…
When you figure out 10+ words or short phrases, answer this.. What’s the action to take from this energy?
The answer might be to do it proud.. Be the very best version of yourself. Seeing this as the final lap in the race, that you’re being challenged and you’re going to prevail!!
When you focus on how you want to feel, realizing that your feelings come from within yourself, you’ll live a happier, more fulfilling life, because you’re not reacting or believing that external things are harming you, you’re in more control of your life. | [
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What do you do when try your best but you fail? | So you will only try something if you know you will succeed? Where's the fun in that?! It's the fact that you could fail that makes it exciting. If you know you will never fail at anything you ever try, life becomes boring. Why do you think trust find kids are so unhappy? **They already have everything they need. They don't know how to struggle.** What you have learned, by your failure, is how to struggle. You are learning how to pick yourself up and keep going. There's a saying in the Bhagavad Gita: >You have the right to labor, but for the labor's sake only. You have no right to the fruits of labor. Desire for the fruits of labor must never be your motive in working. What this means is that you can only control the process of what you do. You do not control the outcome. You should never make the outcome the motivation for what you do. Make doing something well and excelling at it be your motivation. > > >**Win or learn then you never lose.** If you have tried and failed, that means that you need to work on your skill. Get better at what you are doing. Find a teacher, a mentor. Take a class. Ask others for help to learn. Do whatever it takes to improve. That is something you can control. Getting upset that you failed means that you expected that you could just do something and your effort would be enough. Do you expect that you could just pick up a guitar and play like Jimmy Hendricks without practicing? No. You want to play like Jimmy? You have to put in the time, the blood, the sweat, and the tears. There is no easy ride to excellence, and if there were, everyone else would be doing it and it would be ordinary. Lastly, don't worry about what anyone else thinks. As soon as you let go of trying to impress others and decide to be great because it's what's you want, then every step, every lesson, every sliver of progress you make will be more fuel for the fire. Be great for you, not for anyone else. | [
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How do I deal with romantic rejection from a close friend? | 'Hoes love drama" - Epicticus. But for real, this is one of those things where she gets a short term excuse to brag/complain about and feel superior in her friend group for being "special" among her friend group temporarily. Best thing you can do is completely ignore her for awhile but don't avoid her. Just go about your business and realize this doesn't have anything to do with you in particular. Most of what people think about isn't what is going to happen. It's what they're going to be able to say happened to them and how they are positioned in the story. Its heartbreaking but she just wasn't super into you and the thrill of being in this situation with a "overly attracted" friend that she can't stop asking her friends how to handle. Any drop of kindling you add to the fire in attempts to recover are going to be fanned into flames so she can feed the drama slot machine. Id just pick up a hobby and hang out with your buddies for a few weeks. It doesn't matter what she says. No one cares. People are thinking about that time they looked embarrassing doing something of their own! You got this! | [
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"content": "'Hoes love drama\" - Epicticus. But for real, this is one of those things where she gets a short term excuse to brag/complain about and feel superior in her friend group for being \"special\" among her friend group temporarily. Best thing you can do is completely ignore her for awhile but don't avoid her. Just go about your business and realize this doesn't have anything to do with you in particular. Most of what people think about isn't what is going to happen. It's what they're going to be able to say happened to them and how they are positioned in the story. Its heartbreaking but she just wasn't super into you and the thrill of being in this situation with a \"overly attracted\" friend that she can't stop asking her friends how to handle. Any drop of kindling you add to the fire in attempts to recover are going to be fanned into flames so she can feed the drama slot machine. Id just pick up a hobby and hang out with your buddies for a few weeks. It doesn't matter what she says. No one cares. People are thinking about that time they looked embarrassing doing something of their own! You got this!"
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Stoicism and crying ? | I cried today, a month and half after being dumped. It's okay to cry. It's okay to feel emotions. What is not okay is making foolish decisions due to these emotions. Random example.. last time I got dumped (before this time haha), I started sleeping around casually in the vain attempt to hide from my emotions. I took drugs, drank alcohol.. all of it. This time though.. I mourn the relationship and cry when I feel emotions are running high. But I feel them. I don't hide from them, and I try my best not to make them worse by imagining anything that increases the intensity of said emotions. I don't have casual sex, I don't do drugs or drink alcohol.. what I do instead is: I feel my emotions whenever they arise, and for the rest of the time I go outside a lot and read a book (How to think like a Roman emperor by Donald Robertson) and I go running or biking as excersice. That, or I am spending time with a new lovely friend I made and trying to focus on that and enjoying my time with her. Find yourself, be honest with how you feel and allow it without adding to it through imaginations based on fear. | [
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"content": "I cried today, a month and half after being dumped. It's okay to cry. It's okay to feel emotions. What is not okay is making foolish decisions due to these emotions. Random example.. last time I got dumped (before this time haha), I started sleeping around casually in the vain attempt to hide from my emotions. I took drugs, drank alcohol.. all of it. This time though.. I mourn the relationship and cry when I feel emotions are running high. But I feel them. I don't hide from them, and I try my best not to make them worse by imagining anything that increases the intensity of said emotions. I don't have casual sex, I don't do drugs or drink alcohol.. what I do instead is: I feel my emotions whenever they arise, and for the rest of the time I go outside a lot and read a book (How to think like a Roman emperor by Donald Robertson) and I go running or biking as excersice. That, or I am spending time with a new lovely friend I made and trying to focus on that and enjoying my time with her. Find yourself, be honest with how you feel and allow it without adding to it through imaginations based on fear."
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How Patience Fosters Peace | "Patience can often be followed by a powerful Marcus Aurelius quote" There is no power in a Marcus Aurelius quote, or any other quote. Any power to speak of comes from our judgment of that quote. That quote is "life-changing", "worthless woo woo", "fascinating", "irritating", whatever. All this comes from our judgments and our beliefs and our opinions about that quote. That's why the same quote can elicit different responses from different people. Stoicism with a capital S, teaches that if we can learn this about quotes, and then learn this about food, and then learn this about our work, and then learn this about people, and then learn this about sickness, and then learn this about death itself, we will have lived the best quality of life possible. Keep on believing that there is power in things external to ourselves, and we will keep seeking that magic ointment that we believe can sooth our troubled soul. And why would a magical quote not soothe our troubled soul when we believe our troubles come from things external to ourselves. The ancient Stoics used quotes to help remind themselves of Stoic principles. They sought magic in their physics, not their ethics. They did not have the scientific knowledge that we have to today in regards to their physics. We know better today in regards to physics, and yet we seek magic in both our physics and our ethics. | [
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"content": "\"Patience can often be followed by a powerful Marcus Aurelius quote\" There is no power in a Marcus Aurelius quote, or any other quote. Any power to speak of comes from our judgment of that quote. That quote is \"life-changing\", \"worthless woo woo\", \"fascinating\", \"irritating\", whatever. All this comes from our judgments and our beliefs and our opinions about that quote. That's why the same quote can elicit different responses from different people. Stoicism with a capital S, teaches that if we can learn this about quotes, and then learn this about food, and then learn this about our work, and then learn this about people, and then learn this about sickness, and then learn this about death itself, we will have lived the best quality of life possible. Keep on believing that there is power in things external to ourselves, and we will keep seeking that magic ointment that we believe can sooth our troubled soul. And why would a magical quote not soothe our troubled soul when we believe our troubles come from things external to ourselves. The ancient Stoics used quotes to help remind themselves of Stoic principles. They sought magic in their physics, not their ethics. They did not have the scientific knowledge that we have to today in regards to their physics. We know better today in regards to physics, and yet we seek magic in both our physics and our ethics."
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I'm being accused of something I haven't done how to deal with it as a stoic? | I just wonder if it is worth making a simple statement "I am not cheating" or (if applicable) "I have never cheated" and then refusing to engage in any other discussion on the topic. Instead of reassurances, simply close the conversation down and walk away. Don't give the suggestion any oxygen at all. In time, if this continues, it will become clear that it is your partner who is giving this oxygen, and you will both be forced to consider why. Is this some insecurity on her part, or is there some change in your behaviours that has caused her to consider that you are cheating? Maybe you are spending more time at work, or are less interested in intimacy perhaps? Regardless, all relationships end eventually. It is a skill to recognise if that may be happening, and to keep yourself mentally secure regardless of the outcome. That is where Stoicism (this sub) is so helpful. | [
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"content": "I just wonder if it is worth making a simple statement \"I am not cheating\" or (if applicable) \"I have never cheated\" and then refusing to engage in any other discussion on the topic. Instead of reassurances, simply close the conversation down and walk away. Don't give the suggestion any oxygen at all. In time, if this continues, it will become clear that it is your partner who is giving this oxygen, and you will both be forced to consider why. Is this some insecurity on her part, or is there some change in your behaviours that has caused her to consider that you are cheating? Maybe you are spending more time at work, or are less interested in intimacy perhaps? Regardless, all relationships end eventually. It is a skill to recognise if that may be happening, and to keep yourself mentally secure regardless of the outcome. That is where Stoicism (this sub) is so helpful."
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Stoic view on validation ? | "Remember that there is a God who desires neither praise nor glory from men created in his image, but rather that they, guided by the understanding given them, should in their actions become like unto him." "Beautiful things of any kind are beautiful in themselves and sufficient to themselves. Praise is extraneous. The object of praise remains what it was — no better and no worse.” "When you have done a good deed that another has had the benefit of, why do you need a third reward-as fools do-praise for having done well or looking for a favor in return." "Never value anything as profitable that compels you to break your promise, to lose your self-respect, to hate any man, to suspect, to curse, to act the hypocrite, to desire anything that needs walls and curtains: for he who has preferred to everything else his own intelligence and daimon and the worship of its excellence, acts no tragic part, does not groan, will not need either solitude or much company; and, what is chief of all, he will live without either pursuing or flying from death; but whether for a longer or a shorter time he shall have the soul enclosed in the body, he cares not at all: for even if he must depart immediately, he will go as readily as if he were going to do anything else that can be done with decency and order; taking care of this only all through life, that his thoughts abide with the concerns of an intelligent animal" -Meditations | [
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"content": " \"Remember that there is a God who desires neither praise nor glory from men created in his image, but rather that they, guided by the understanding given them, should in their actions become like unto him.\" \"Beautiful things of any kind are beautiful in themselves and sufficient to themselves. Praise is extraneous. The object of praise remains what it was — no better and no worse.” \"When you have done a good deed that another has had the benefit of, why do you need a third reward-as fools do-praise for having done well or looking for a favor in return.\" \"Never value anything as profitable that compels you to break your promise, to lose your self-respect, to hate any man, to suspect, to curse, to act the hypocrite, to desire anything that needs walls and curtains: for he who has preferred to everything else his own intelligence and daimon and the worship of its excellence, acts no tragic part, does not groan, will not need either solitude or much company; and, what is chief of all, he will live without either pursuing or flying from death; but whether for a longer or a shorter time he shall have the soul enclosed in the body, he cares not at all: for even if he must depart immediately, he will go as readily as if he were going to do anything else that can be done with decency and order; taking care of this only all through life, that his thoughts abide with the concerns of an intelligent animal\" -Meditations"
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how to cure porn addiction | First and foremost, remember that Stoicism teaches us to control our responses to external circumstances and to focus on what is in our power. As such, your youthful libido isn't inherently bad; it's what you choose to do with it that matters. You're trying to stop a behavior that's become a habit. Think of it as a journey towards self-discipline, a core tenet of Stoicism. Practice mindfulness and try to become more aware of the triggers that lead to your behavior. Maybe it's boredom, loneliness, or stress. Once you've identified the triggers, work on strategies to combat them. Find something that you're passionate about, which you can focus on when you feel the urge. This could be something as simple as reading, going for a run, or learning a new skill. This way, you're not just fighting an urge, but also replacing it with a positive activity. At least it worked for me when I could barely get through a day without calling a [callgirl Wien](https://www.erotik.land/). Lastly, don't be too hard on yourself if you slip up. Progress is not always linear. It's about consistent effort and self-improvement. | [
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How do you not let yourself feel like a "victim" when deciding to go for a stoic/emotionally-controlled response rather than a confrontational or angry response? | You might find a different paradigm to be more conducive to the tranquility and peace of mind you seek. The Stoics argued that our emotions are manifestations of our judgments, which are the conclusions of our assenting to impressions. [These drive our impulses](https://medium.com/stoicism-philosophy-as-a-way-of-life/stoic-psychology-101-impressions-assent-and-impulses-56eddd4a569f), or our knee-jerk reactions. For you it might look like this: Reality: Walking down the street, you see another person walking in the same place. Impression (or, the story you tell yourself to make sense of this in a bigger context): "They mean to challenge my integrity by challenging my dominance. If I move, I am a pushover and they have dominated me." (Deeper impression, or meta-impression, if you will): "Dominance indicates value and worth." When you assent to this immediate impression, two things are happening simultaneously. The first is that your brain is now engaging the other parts of your body to be ready for action. Your adrenaline dam has been opened, your heart rate increases, the blood flow to your muscles increases, all in anticipation of potential physical confrontation. This physiological response has a corresponding emotion (or emotions). The second thing that happens is that these corresponding emotions act as confirmation for the deeper or meta-impression you have that dominance indicates value and worth. The impulse is naturally to defy this perceived threat. And because it is registered as a threat, your brain immediately goes into fight or flight mode. You're ready for a confrontation, and if you don't get it, if you step aside, all that adrenaline is stewing in your body, bathing all your organs in a cocktail of adrenaline and cortisol and other hormones useful for protecting you from oncoming threats. And to be sure, for the human brain, social threats register as legitimate threats to life. So now you've stepped aside and all you can think of is that meta-impression that tells you you've given up your dominance for some jabroni walking down the street. And your mind concludes this is humiliating, because that's how the mental equation works. So the different paradigm might look like this: Reality: Walking down the street, you see another person walking in the same place. Impression: We're both going to be in the same place at the same time and that's not going to work, so one of us has to step aside. It looks as if this jabroni won't step aside, so I will. Deeper Impression, or new meta-impression: I identified and resolved a conflict before it began. This was the wise thing to do, and a wise person is self-sufficient. A wise person can hold their head up high in any situation. (This is because a wise person doesn't require others to determine their value or worth because the wise person knows intuitively everyone has value and worth, and my value and worth are most immediately seen in the fact that in this neighborhood where people get offended easily, I'm calm, cool, and collected. No one can take that away from me. No one *will*, because being in charge of my own impulses is far more important and satisfying than that fleeting feeling of dominating someone else for a mere few moments on a random street.) So the thing is, when your mind registers the same event differently, your emotions follow. Marcus Aurelius was an Emperor of Rome who studied Stoicism for many decades. He wrote a journal, a collection of showerthoughts you might say. You can read it today and find comments that are relevant to whatever you might be facing. For example, here's an excerpt from his journal where he's reminding himself to ignore the stories he's always told himself about what things *mean*, and learn to recognize them for what they are *objectively*. That way it's easier to see the problem for what it is: >How good it is when you have roast meat or suchlike foods before you, to impress on your mind that this is the dead body of a fish, this is the dead body of a bird or pig; and again, that the Falernian wine is the mere juice of grapes, and your purple edged robe simply the hair of a sheep soaked in shell-fish blood! > >And in sexual intercourse that it is no more than the friction of a membrane and a spurt of mucus ejected. > >How good these perceptions are at getting to the heart of the real thing and penetrating through it, so you can see it for what it is! > >This should be your practice throughout all your life: when things have such a plausible appearance, show them naked, see their shoddiness, strip away their own boastful account of themselves. > >Vanity is the greatest seducer of reason: when you are most convinced that your work is important, that is when you are most under its spell. [Meditations, VI.13](https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Meditations_of_the_Emperor_Marcus_Antoninus/Book_6) | [
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What is the source for the Virtues? | Here's a summary of [book 4 of Plato's Republic](https://iep.utm.edu/republic/) taken from the Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy. Note that although Plato is the oldest source which discusses the four virtues, it's likely he using a conventional list of four virtues which probably predates Plato. > With the founding of the just city completed, Socrates proceeds to discuss justice (427d). He claims that the city they have founded is completely good and virtuous and thus it is __wise, courageous, moderate, and just__ (427e). Justice will be what remains once they find the other three virtues in it, namely wisdom, courage, and moderation (428a). The __wisdom__ of the just city is found in its rulers and it is the type of knowledge that allows them to rule the city well (428b-d). The __courage__ of the just city is found in its military and it is correct and lawful belief about what to fear and what not to fear (429a-430b). The city’s __moderation or self-discipline__ is its unanimity in following the just city’s structure in terms of who should rule and who should be ruled (430d-432a). The city’s __justice__ consists in each class performing its proper function (433a-b). > > Socrates then proceeds to find the corresponding four virtues in the individual (434d). Socrates defends the analogy of the city and the individual (435a-b) and proceeds to distinguish three analogous parts in the soul with their natural functions (436b). ... Socrates explains the virtues of the individual’s soul and how they correspond to the virtues of the city (441c-442d). Socrates points out that one is just when each of the three parts of the soul performs its function (442d). Justice is a natural balance of the soul’s parts and injustice is an imbalance of the parts of the soul (444e). | [
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How to control emotions? | Stoics believed that negative emotions originate from false judgements we make about reality. Everything that happens outside our control cannot harm our moral character. Anything that isn't our own doing, cannot harm us unless we believe that it harmed us. Marcus in Meditations says: “So other people hurt me? That’s their problem. Their character and actions are not mine. What is done to me is ordained by nature, what I do by my own.” We have the capacity to remove power from external events to make us sad or angry. It is very difficult in practice, but the capacity for it is within us. | [
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Any podcasts recommendations that aren’t daily stoic? | Stoicism for a Better Life by Anderson Silver. He did a great job applying the philosophy to real life scenarios. I stopped listening in 2021 when it appeared he was going to stop making episodes... But it looks like he only took a 6 month break and is still making them! I'm really excited now, this man's teaching style helped my own application tremendously; '21 was the most selfless and carefree time of my life. I did not find The Daily Stoic nor The Stoa to be mentally stimulating enough-- I'm not really a podcast person anyways. But occasionally, I will find a couple that I vibe with, and that I can actually pay attention to. | [
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What would Seneca say about my decision, there is a reason I ask particular for him | Please don't take this the wrong way but it seems like you are longing for an "easy way out". I'm not saying this lightly, because I've been there and had people who went that way. But since you mentioned Valhalla, to me this is the opposite of an "easy way out". The whole concept is that you must fight to the end, instead of letting fear waste you away. Sure, in medieval times going to battle was a certain death, but I think in today's world we are forced to fight against our own mental or personal problems, which can seem like and unending war but hey... that's the whole point of Valhalla. You just don't get to surrender. Also, Buddhist monks don't just sit around waiting to die. They need to be disciplined and endure a lot of pain before they can even start that journey. I'm just trying to give you some different advice based on what you said. In the end, of course we all can do what we want, but please think about the ones who are still alive. Even if you don't have loved ones, if that is the case, there is someone out there that has it worse than you and they keep going, so do it for them. | [
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"content": "Please don't take this the wrong way but it seems like you are longing for an \"easy way out\". I'm not saying this lightly, because I've been there and had people who went that way. But since you mentioned Valhalla, to me this is the opposite of an \"easy way out\". The whole concept is that you must fight to the end, instead of letting fear waste you away. Sure, in medieval times going to battle was a certain death, but I think in today's world we are forced to fight against our own mental or personal problems, which can seem like and unending war but hey... that's the whole point of Valhalla. You just don't get to surrender. Also, Buddhist monks don't just sit around waiting to die. They need to be disciplined and endure a lot of pain before they can even start that journey. I'm just trying to give you some different advice based on what you said. In the end, of course we all can do what we want, but please think about the ones who are still alive. Even if you don't have loved ones, if that is the case, there is someone out there that has it worse than you and they keep going, so do it for them."
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Should we separate the art from the artist? | My take on Cancel culture: it is a disease, a self-righteous elitism; the usual fascism, updated to contemporary mediums of communication. Ultimately, "cancel culture" is a result of capitalism's free-market and the internet, favouring consumer-choice; simple math between Like & Dislike. Maybe people feel like this is the only way of political voting they have left, to really make a difference. I believe is a fascist attitude and thus not a fair way to fight. About the "sins of the artist"... An artist that comes to public is of course influenced by personality and background; but they are two different personas: - the first is the creator of a mean, for the purpose of personal expression and collective sharing (and, potentially, collective evolving); - the second is a private entity, with personal dynamics that torn the very human being that the artist still is; also being an artist isn't relevant to the judgment of their actions. I believe the last movie from Lars Von Trier, _The House That Jack Built_, does explores some key aspects of the ambiguity and the boundaries of ethics and art. In a way the artist should have total expression of freedom, in order to explore and improve art; hence a carte blanche (and implicit immunity, I guess?). On the other way, this human should still be reputed accountable for their actions, according to the principles or laws of our society. But I'd ask: who self-elects as judge of the artist? Judging according to what framework or system of values? With authority from whom? Different systems of different values will always clash somehow with disagreement. That's where _diplomacy_ got born. It is ok to reject somebody and not want to support them, as long as this is done ethically, with respect, and relatively without harming. The problem of cancel-culture is its aggressiveness and desire for censoring. I can't condone that, as there are many other more constructive and fair ways to express dissent, than to take away fundamental freedoms from individuals. Also active cancel-culture doesn't exist at individual level, it is a very "group dynamic", with a numerous mass fighting against a single person; not really balanced. Scapegoating isn't quite new in history, I would say. And also, I wonder how would the reasoning change, when involving an artist that does _not_ have a personality, like with the latest generative A.I.'s? - _(imo, dystopic version)_ Will we end up valuing simply the product, in a very consumerist fashion, regardless of who created it? - Or _(guessWhat version)_ we will figure out that dualism is a limiting mindset and that art and artist are actually an inseparable dichotomy that coexist, and that we need a more contextualized and faceted system of awareness, in order to make better judgements and better decisions in a non-fascist respectful way? I believe we will always correlate the action to who enact it. In general it is ok either to choose to support or not to support who does or doesn't resonate with our values; free-will. Making exceptions is also legit. The important is to keep a balance, when dealing with real life. For example, I can allow myself to eat at McDonald or buy a Coca Cola. Seldom; if no other option is available. I think it's reasonable, when I know 99% of the times I avoid to support them and speak out against them and their malpractices. My contribution in that 1% makes no real difference, compared to my choice on the consuming habits. The important is to make conscious decisions according to the context. There's no real right or wrong. The same applies to art, for me. | [
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"content": "My take on Cancel culture: it is a disease, a self-righteous elitism; the usual fascism, updated to contemporary mediums of communication. Ultimately, \"cancel culture\" is a result of capitalism's free-market and the internet, favouring consumer-choice; simple math between Like & Dislike. Maybe people feel like this is the only way of political voting they have left, to really make a difference. I believe is a fascist attitude and thus not a fair way to fight. About the \"sins of the artist\"... An artist that comes to public is of course influenced by personality and background; but they are two different personas: - the first is the creator of a mean, for the purpose of personal expression and collective sharing (and, potentially, collective evolving); - the second is a private entity, with personal dynamics that torn the very human being that the artist still is; also being an artist isn't relevant to the judgment of their actions. I believe the last movie from Lars Von Trier, _The House That Jack Built_, does explores some key aspects of the ambiguity and the boundaries of ethics and art. In a way the artist should have total expression of freedom, in order to explore and improve art; hence a carte blanche (and implicit immunity, I guess?). On the other way, this human should still be reputed accountable for their actions, according to the principles or laws of our society. But I'd ask: who self-elects as judge of the artist? Judging according to what framework or system of values? With authority from whom? Different systems of different values will always clash somehow with disagreement. That's where _diplomacy_ got born. It is ok to reject somebody and not want to support them, as long as this is done ethically, with respect, and relatively without harming. The problem of cancel-culture is its aggressiveness and desire for censoring. I can't condone that, as there are many other more constructive and fair ways to express dissent, than to take away fundamental freedoms from individuals. Also active cancel-culture doesn't exist at individual level, it is a very \"group dynamic\", with a numerous mass fighting against a single person; not really balanced. Scapegoating isn't quite new in history, I would say. And also, I wonder how would the reasoning change, when involving an artist that does _not_ have a personality, like with the latest generative A.I.'s? - _(imo, dystopic version)_ Will we end up valuing simply the product, in a very consumerist fashion, regardless of who created it? - Or _(guessWhat version)_ we will figure out that dualism is a limiting mindset and that art and artist are actually an inseparable dichotomy that coexist, and that we need a more contextualized and faceted system of awareness, in order to make better judgements and better decisions in a non-fascist respectful way? I believe we will always correlate the action to who enact it. In general it is ok either to choose to support or not to support who does or doesn't resonate with our values; free-will. Making exceptions is also legit. The important is to keep a balance, when dealing with real life. For example, I can allow myself to eat at McDonald or buy a Coca Cola. Seldom; if no other option is available. I think it's reasonable, when I know 99% of the times I avoid to support them and speak out against them and their malpractices. My contribution in that 1% makes no real difference, compared to my choice on the consuming habits. The important is to make conscious decisions according to the context. There's no real right or wrong. The same applies to art, for me."
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Your favorite stoic writer? | Okay... but... Epictetus didn't write.... Arrian wrote down his lectures... :( | [
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Wrote a potentially unprofessional email to the college admissions of my #1 choice school. What next? | > I’ll work hard on the application and pray for the best I suppose. And what is "the best"? If you're being honest with yourself. If "the best" is getting into this school, and you're praying for it and hoping for it and still clinging to it - you are setting yourself up for suffering. "The Daily Stoic" for September 14th is a good one, titled "a different way to pray." That's a good one, if you have that book. It references 9.40 in Meditations, if you have that. If you have neither... they are good entry points for Stoicism. But to paraphrase, don't pray for something that's outside of your control. Why not instead pray for your ability to accept any outcome with grace and humility, to have faith that you will find the right course and make the right choices when they present themselves to you. Pray for the ability to be focused in the moment rather than letting your thoughts and worries drift out to the future. | [
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"content": "> I’ll work hard on the application and pray for the best I suppose. And what is \"the best\"? If you're being honest with yourself. If \"the best\" is getting into this school, and you're praying for it and hoping for it and still clinging to it - you are setting yourself up for suffering. \"The Daily Stoic\" for September 14th is a good one, titled \"a different way to pray.\" That's a good one, if you have that book. It references 9.40 in Meditations, if you have that. If you have neither... they are good entry points for Stoicism. But to paraphrase, don't pray for something that's outside of your control. Why not instead pray for your ability to accept any outcome with grace and humility, to have faith that you will find the right course and make the right choices when they present themselves to you. Pray for the ability to be focused in the moment rather than letting your thoughts and worries drift out to the future."
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Are there any explorations or critiques of Utilitarian ethics from a Stoic/virtue ethics perspective? | [G.E.M. Anscombe's "Modern Moral Philosophy"](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/XC5xBQNTHrxz8XH4A/review-g-e-m-anscombe-s-modern-moral-philosophy) is a good one from the virtue ethics perspective. | [
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"content": "[G.E.M. Anscombe's \"Modern Moral Philosophy\"](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/XC5xBQNTHrxz8XH4A/review-g-e-m-anscombe-s-modern-moral-philosophy) is a good one from the virtue ethics perspective."
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How does a stoic handle fear of infidelity? | Buddhism teaches us that all things are impermanent. All things. Every relationship you will ever have - will end. Someone will leave or someone will die. There is no other way. In your life you will have many relationships; people will come in and out of your life like actors in a play, entering and exiting the stage. Friends, enemies, lovers, etc. Let go of attachments to ideas outside reality. Ideas like fear of potential futures. We suffer worse in our imaginations than we do in real life. Lastly, the greatest bulwark against infidelity is to be as good and great a person as you yourself can be. The stronger, calmer, and more confident you are as a person - and a partner - the less likely you are to be cheated on. And more likely to recover quickly if you are. We live in a different age. Cheating is, sadly, very common. But everything I have said above is still true. Every relationship is an opportunity to learn and grow as a person. | [
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"content": "Buddhism teaches us that all things are impermanent. All things. Every relationship you will ever have - will end. Someone will leave or someone will die. There is no other way. In your life you will have many relationships; people will come in and out of your life like actors in a play, entering and exiting the stage. Friends, enemies, lovers, etc. Let go of attachments to ideas outside reality. Ideas like fear of potential futures. We suffer worse in our imaginations than we do in real life. Lastly, the greatest bulwark against infidelity is to be as good and great a person as you yourself can be. The stronger, calmer, and more confident you are as a person - and a partner - the less likely you are to be cheated on. And more likely to recover quickly if you are. We live in a different age. Cheating is, sadly, very common. But everything I have said above is still true. Every relationship is an opportunity to learn and grow as a person."
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What do you think is the semnification of Book 4, Passage 15 from Meditations | My interpretation would be that it doesn't matter if you die young or old, because your life has fulfilled its part of a divine purpose anyway. | [
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How would a Stoic cope with the depression caused by forced circumcision? | The amount of people who say “lol get over it, so many men go through that, how dare you struggle with it” is truly disturbing, and I’m not even a man myself. OP, yes, of course you should learn to “get over it” eventually, because you can’t change it. But your trauma over being mutilated without your consent is real and deserves to be taken seriously. Working out is a good step, but don’t overdo it. I would also seriously consider therapy since you have struggled with it since so long. CBT for example is rooted in many Stoic ideas and teaches acceptance of emotions while also learning to let go. But EMDR might also help with physical trauma. If you have the funds, give therapy a try. | [
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"content": "The amount of people who say “lol get over it, so many men go through that, how dare you struggle with it” is truly disturbing, and I’m not even a man myself. OP, yes, of course you should learn to “get over it” eventually, because you can’t change it. But your trauma over being mutilated without your consent is real and deserves to be taken seriously. Working out is a good step, but don’t overdo it. I would also seriously consider therapy since you have struggled with it since so long. CBT for example is rooted in many Stoic ideas and teaches acceptance of emotions while also learning to let go. But EMDR might also help with physical trauma. If you have the funds, give therapy a try."
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How can I be Stoic and empathetic? | It's a good question. You seem to have enough awareness here that you recognize this walling off thing is self-protective and not inherently virtuous. I think one helpful way to think about (from Ward Farnsworth of the Practicing Stoic) is to distinguish between emotion and feeling. In this situation, emotion is any argument you have with reality - that is, your spouse shouldn't be as she is. So, if you are detaching/putting up a wall as a way to avoid the fullness of the situation as it is, it is actually coming from an emotion, from an argument with reality. Courage then, is the ability to face what is. It is a kind of saying yes to the situation. Sometimes we use walling off as a (not helpful) substitute for a full courageous leaning in. In this situation if you say 'yes' to being in reality, you may have *feeling*. You my experience your partner's loneliness straight up, perceive it, perceive her, perceive the situation clearly. This willingness to be in reality and see clearly may be difficult in situations like this. You may feel sad/resistant (an emotion) at feeling-perceiving the situation clearly (not an emotion). So, the game is to not get involved with this resistance/sadness. Not to wall it off because you've named it wrong. Not to stop feeling. Just to not get involved. >Let the leading and ruling part of your soul stand unmoved by the stirrings of the flesh, whether gentle or rude. Let it not commingle with them, but keep itself apart, and confine these passions to their proper bodily parts; and if they rise into the soul by any sympathy with the body to which it is united, then we must not attempt to resist the sensation, seeing that it is of our nature; but let not the soul, for its part, add thereto the conception that the sensation is good or bad. (Marcus Meditations 5.25) So, in order to help your partner with difficult emotions (which is a beautiful aim by the way)... we have to be willing to be in reality. And, to own what is ours - our emotionality, our resistance, our argument with reality... how her being the way she summons incredible emotions and we may wall off because 'it's too much.' So step 1 is letting down the walls and working properly with arising passion. Step 2, in working with arising passion, not to be moved it, and not touching that material, THEN step 3 - the possibility of showing up *for her* is legitimately possible. This is when all that Stoic talk about our "natural" self and fellowship for each other comes in. So all of this requires us to courageously work with resistance-emotion-passion as Marcus describes, so that we can be clear enough to see her real need in the moment and be of service. | [
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Can you suggest books like Meditations of Marcus Aurelius and Moral Letters of Seneca? | Epictetus surviving work is great, but it is in his own idiosyncratic presentation, and misses an awful lot, arguably most of Stoic thought. It’s interesting to compare it with, for example, the summaries of Stoicism given by Diogenes Leartius of Arius Didymus, or Cicero’s paraphrases of Stoic authors, and see just how different it is. There has been a historical tendency by modern academics to separate Stoicism into the eras, early (Zeno, Chrysippus), middle (Posidonius, Panaetius), and late (Seneca, Epictetus, Marcus Aurelius). Some academics have viewed the three as very different, but more recently some have pointed out that there are reasonable interpretations of later authors that make them seem more consistent with earlier ones, and argue that the more extreme apparent differences come from misinterpretations of the later ones that result from reading them without familiarity with the earlier ones first. Personally, I’m inclined to agree that they aren’t as different as often asserted. | [
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How do you stop dwelling on a conflict? | >I try to remind myself that it doesn't really matter, and to solely focus on my judgments and actions, I have no control over what others do or think so should not concern myself with it. As much I try to tell myself this I struggle to actually accept it and my mind will continue to wander. It's one thing to tell ourselves to not be upset about something, it's quite another to *not care about something we believe is very important.* And let's face it, you can tell yourself all day to move on, but if you think a thing is very important, you won't be able to. Epictetus proposed three topics of study, or three disciplines to practice in order to learn to challenge your current way of thinking and create a new way. These are the disciplines of assent, desire, and action. In short, it means learning to recognize what you believe, and ask yourself if you think it's really, objectively, logically and universally true. Then to learn how to use external goals as tools for attaining internal goals. And finally, how to discern what the right thing to do is, and then doing it. It's easy enough to say, just don't believe everything you think, but it's much, much harder to put it into practice. And that's what you need to do if you'd like to use these new skills when life comes at you. I would encourage you to continue reading about Stoicism and reading the Stoics themselves. This gives you a new internal dialog to understand and navigate your situation. I would encourage you to give yourself permission to be patient with yourself because paradigm shifts do not happen overnight. I would encourage you to log your thoughts and your actions, both successes and errors in judgment so that you can find your personal triggers - the things that trigger an automatic impulse you're looking to identify, understand, and change. To that end, the FAQ has a lot of great information with regard to how to understand apply this new information. Epictetus' Discourses acts as a kind of Cliff Notes to his classes; a series of discussions from an old philosopher who points out the faulty thinking we had no idea was so faulty. I can't help but to read him in the spirit of George Carlin. Seneca has dozens of short letters to friends to offer insight and comforts that will give you new ways of looking at old problems. Marcus Aurelius' Meditations is a collection of his showerthoughts that we can read today and take the time to think about how we might learn from him. There are others of course, but these three are the most common and therefore easiest to find. You can find all of this online for free. And lastly, I'd recommend the Community Content Selections offered in the sidebar. There are some very quality posts that explain things for short attention span readers to get started on this new way of thinking. | [
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"content": ">I try to remind myself that it doesn't really matter, and to solely focus on my judgments and actions, I have no control over what others do or think so should not concern myself with it. As much I try to tell myself this I struggle to actually accept it and my mind will continue to wander. It's one thing to tell ourselves to not be upset about something, it's quite another to *not care about something we believe is very important.* And let's face it, you can tell yourself all day to move on, but if you think a thing is very important, you won't be able to. Epictetus proposed three topics of study, or three disciplines to practice in order to learn to challenge your current way of thinking and create a new way. These are the disciplines of assent, desire, and action. In short, it means learning to recognize what you believe, and ask yourself if you think it's really, objectively, logically and universally true. Then to learn how to use external goals as tools for attaining internal goals. And finally, how to discern what the right thing to do is, and then doing it. It's easy enough to say, just don't believe everything you think, but it's much, much harder to put it into practice. And that's what you need to do if you'd like to use these new skills when life comes at you. I would encourage you to continue reading about Stoicism and reading the Stoics themselves. This gives you a new internal dialog to understand and navigate your situation. I would encourage you to give yourself permission to be patient with yourself because paradigm shifts do not happen overnight. I would encourage you to log your thoughts and your actions, both successes and errors in judgment so that you can find your personal triggers - the things that trigger an automatic impulse you're looking to identify, understand, and change. To that end, the FAQ has a lot of great information with regard to how to understand apply this new information. Epictetus' Discourses acts as a kind of Cliff Notes to his classes; a series of discussions from an old philosopher who points out the faulty thinking we had no idea was so faulty. I can't help but to read him in the spirit of George Carlin. Seneca has dozens of short letters to friends to offer insight and comforts that will give you new ways of looking at old problems. Marcus Aurelius' Meditations is a collection of his showerthoughts that we can read today and take the time to think about how we might learn from him. There are others of course, but these three are the most common and therefore easiest to find. You can find all of this online for free. And lastly, I'd recommend the Community Content Selections offered in the sidebar. There are some very quality posts that explain things for short attention span readers to get started on this new way of thinking."
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Thoughts on envy? | There must be (hopefully) some things that you like about yourself and your life. How about keeping a gratitude journal and making sure you write something in it every single day. And while you are about it, make sure your entries include something you have done or can do for others. Looking outward, seeing the needs that other people have too, gives a much healthier perspective I think of life as a garden. You have a look and see what you want to see. It may be weeds, it may be flowers, it may be projects that you can do, or it may be gloriously messy and a haven for wildlife. This is a Stoicism sub. Have a read of Discourses by Epictetus. Ancient human wisdom for living life well. Forget all this modern social media and comparison and envy and FOMO that is everywhere around us, and go back to the basics. Nature has made you an individual, you are not like everyone else around you, you are unique. In character, experiences, skills, looks, every way possible. Life the life that you have, you can't live anyone else's life | [
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Does anyone have tips for me? | In the care of worrying about what other people think, do you every ruminate on benign things other people do? Probably not. In the case of worrying about wasting time, the only answer is to work on being more productive which requires you to do something about it yourself. There is no magic quote or advice that’s going to do that for you. If you struggle with procrastination, make a check list. Refrain from a leisure activities until you have done all you need to do. When you get to the point of being more productive with your days, you’ll find you have a lot more free time than you did before when you were putting things off. | [
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Best translation of enchirdion, discourses of Epictetus? | My general impression of the two translations is that Robin Hard is a fairly accurate but at the cost of quite a high word count. Robin Waterfield's translation is often rather more efficient and without any significant loss of information. Here's a quick comparison — the beginning of Discourse 2.5: Robin Hard: [1] Materials are indifferent, but the use that one makes of them is by no means indifferent. [2] How, then, can one preserve firmness and calmness of mind, and at the same time the attentiveness that saves us from careless and thoughtless action? By following the example of those who play at dice. [3] The counters are indifferent, the dice are indifferent. How can I know in what way the throw will fall? But to be attentive and skilful in making use of whatever does fall, that is now my task. [4] And so likewise, my principal task in life is this: to distinguish between things, and establish a division between them and say, ‘External things are not within my power; choice is within my power. [5] Where am I to seek the good and the bad? Within myself, in that which is my own.’ But with regard to what is not my own, never apply the words good or bad, and benefit or harm, and any other word of that kind. Robin Waterfield: [1] “Material things are indifferent, but the use one makes of them isn't. [2] How, then, is one to retain one's self-possession and peace of mind, and at the same time be careful rather than purposeless or negligent? If one imitates people playing a board game. [3] The counters are indifferent and the dice are indifferent: how do I know which way they’ll fall? But to use the throw carefully and skillfully, that’s my job. [4] By the same token, then, my principal task in life as well is to divide things up, see their differences, and say, 'Externals are not up to me; will is up to me. [5] Where shall I look for good and bad? Inside myself, among the things that are mine.' But never call anything that isn't yours either good or bad, or employ in their case terms such as 'benefit' or 'harm.'” | [
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How to deal with negative emotions stoically? | Man I'm just a little buckaroo trying to get through the week happy and moisturized and staying in my lane "And so the philosophers must train us first in theory, which is the easier task, and then lead us on to more difficult matters; for in theory, there is nothing to restrain us from drawing the consequences of what we have been taught, whereas in life there are many things that pull us off course." (Discourses 1.26.3) | [
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How do I cope with acting wrongly? | As long as you keep reliving that memory, you are going to stress about it. The Stoicism is all about being focused on current moment, acknowledging that what happened happened, and not being a slave to that memory. You cannot change the past. By constantly focusing on that act, you are giving it much bigger meaning. The act as it self, doesn't have any weight, you are the one who thinks about it and rates it as wrong. Truth is, everyone has their own problems, and everyone is 99% of their time focused on their problems. Maybe someone commented out your behaviour, but after 5 seconds, they remembered their own problems and forgot about you. Than why do you need to relive that act over and over again, when no one else is thinking about it? | [
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"content": "As long as you keep reliving that memory, you are going to stress about it. The Stoicism is all about being focused on current moment, acknowledging that what happened happened, and not being a slave to that memory. You cannot change the past. By constantly focusing on that act, you are giving it much bigger meaning. The act as it self, doesn't have any weight, you are the one who thinks about it and rates it as wrong. Truth is, everyone has their own problems, and everyone is 99% of their time focused on their problems. Maybe someone commented out your behaviour, but after 5 seconds, they remembered their own problems and forgot about you. Than why do you need to relive that act over and over again, when no one else is thinking about it?"
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What real life / fictional character would you consider a good example of a stoic? | How can I see the character of a fictional person or even a real life person? Two people can do the exact same behavior and one is doing that behavior from virtue and the other is doing that exact same behavior from vice. | [
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How to deal with new challenges | Any time you find yourself getting angry or displeased with a person or event, ask yourself, "Does what happened prevent me from acting with virtue?" The answer is ALWAYS no. | [
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"content": "Any time you find yourself getting angry or displeased with a person or event, ask yourself, \"Does what happened prevent me from acting with virtue?\" The answer is ALWAYS no."
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How do you get people and regrets out of your head? | First off, take a step back from events that make you crime to remember and treat then like a learning opportunity. Every moment has something to learn. Pick the moment apart as if you're showing it to a stranger as a way to improve how they live life. I find that separates the moment from the feeling, and makes it easier to place in your past and move on. Second, as you get obsessive about something, if thinking it over again and again is having any benefits or being productive for you at all. If not, then realize its just sucking up your energy. Same for anger at a person. We throw around versions of the Epictetus quote: "Anyone that angers you is your master." Because that person can make you shift from logic brain to emotion brain, all while living rent free in your head. Don't give that away. Get yourself under your control. | [
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"content": "First off, take a step back from events that make you crime to remember and treat then like a learning opportunity. Every moment has something to learn. Pick the moment apart as if you're showing it to a stranger as a way to improve how they live life. I find that separates the moment from the feeling, and makes it easier to place in your past and move on. Second, as you get obsessive about something, if thinking it over again and again is having any benefits or being productive for you at all. If not, then realize its just sucking up your energy. Same for anger at a person. We throw around versions of the Epictetus quote: \"Anyone that angers you is your master.\" Because that person can make you shift from logic brain to emotion brain, all while living rent free in your head. Don't give that away. Get yourself under your control."
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What Does Stoicism Say About Indecision? | The modern Stoicism organization has seized on a certain set of practices from the Stoic texts, but there are many others if you look. Indecision is something I struggled with for a long time. Firstly, remember that, aside from huge, important questions where people are relying directly on you, most choices you make during the day are between indifferents; in that case indecision becomes a Vice (since you’re turning the two things you’re deciding between into something better or worse than they are.) Chrysippus has some advice for such a situation: “…And in his Sixth Book of Duties, having said that there are some things not worthy of much study or attention, he thinks we ought, as if we had cast lots, to commit the choice of those things to the casual inclination of the mind: “As if,” says he, “of those who try the same two drams in a certain time, some should approve this and others that, and there being no more cause for the taking of one than the other, we should leave off making any further investigation and take that which chances to come first; thus casting the lot (as it were) according to some uncertain principle, and being in danger of choosing the worse of them…”” -Plutarch, Stoic Contradictions So we can see from that that the many little selections throughout the day often don’t rise to the level of being worth deep thought or consideration. So what should you do then? In the same passage but earlier on, Plutarch tells us that: “[Chrysippus] in many places alleges the die and the balance, and several other things, which cannot fall or incline either one way or the other without some cause or difference, either wholly within them or coming to them from without… and in those motions …there occur certain obscure causes, which, being concealed from us, move our inclinations to one side or other...” I think this is the theoretical background of this practice from Plutarch’s Life of Cato: “…At suppers, he would throw dice for the choice of portions; and if he lost, and his friends bade him choose first, he would say it was not right, since Venus was unwilling.” -Plutarch, Life of Cato 6 In cases where I can’t decide, I simply keep a dice with me and roll for what to do, then take it as being the one offered to me by the universe. After a while, I stopped even needing the dice, though I do keep one with me. | [
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"content": "The modern Stoicism organization has seized on a certain set of practices from the Stoic texts, but there are many others if you look. Indecision is something I struggled with for a long time. Firstly, remember that, aside from huge, important questions where people are relying directly on you, most choices you make during the day are between indifferents; in that case indecision becomes a Vice (since you’re turning the two things you’re deciding between into something better or worse than they are.) Chrysippus has some advice for such a situation: “…And in his Sixth Book of Duties, having said that there are some things not worthy of much study or attention, he thinks we ought, as if we had cast lots, to commit the choice of those things to the casual inclination of the mind: “As if,” says he, “of those who try the same two drams in a certain time, some should approve this and others that, and there being no more cause for the taking of one than the other, we should leave off making any further investigation and take that which chances to come first; thus casting the lot (as it were) according to some uncertain principle, and being in danger of choosing the worse of them…”” -Plutarch, Stoic Contradictions So we can see from that that the many little selections throughout the day often don’t rise to the level of being worth deep thought or consideration. So what should you do then? In the same passage but earlier on, Plutarch tells us that: “[Chrysippus] in many places alleges the die and the balance, and several other things, which cannot fall or incline either one way or the other without some cause or difference, either wholly within them or coming to them from without… and in those motions …there occur certain obscure causes, which, being concealed from us, move our inclinations to one side or other...” I think this is the theoretical background of this practice from Plutarch’s Life of Cato: “…At suppers, he would throw dice for the choice of portions; and if he lost, and his friends bade him choose first, he would say it was not right, since Venus was unwilling.” -Plutarch, Life of Cato 6 In cases where I can’t decide, I simply keep a dice with me and roll for what to do, then take it as being the one offered to me by the universe. After a while, I stopped even needing the dice, though I do keep one with me."
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How to not get into pointless arguments? | I don't think arguing is necessarily a bad thing. In the sense of debates, it can be very rewarding and fun if done right. But it has to be done right First of all, truth over "victory". No pissing contests. You need to be genuinely curious about the truth. In most cases, it's somewhere in the middle Second, open mindedness. That means all parties are genuinely willing to change their mind, inluding you (especially you) Third, being charitable. If someone says something, steelman whatever they say, don't go for the low blows that don't address the main point And lastly it's about having a stimulating conversation and having a good time. If it feels like it's gonna go south, disengage Important note: 99% of times when we argue, it's not like that. It's best to avoid unless all are genuinely willing, receptive, curious, and charitable If you want to not debate at all, just recognize that people are entitled to their opinions. Nobody has to justify their opinions to anyone. Recognize that debate is not always the best way to communicate ideas or to change someone's mind. Things like that | [
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"content": "I don't think arguing is necessarily a bad thing. In the sense of debates, it can be very rewarding and fun if done right. But it has to be done right First of all, truth over \"victory\". No pissing contests. You need to be genuinely curious about the truth. In most cases, it's somewhere in the middle Second, open mindedness. That means all parties are genuinely willing to change their mind, inluding you (especially you) Third, being charitable. If someone says something, steelman whatever they say, don't go for the low blows that don't address the main point And lastly it's about having a stimulating conversation and having a good time. If it feels like it's gonna go south, disengage Important note: 99% of times when we argue, it's not like that. It's best to avoid unless all are genuinely willing, receptive, curious, and charitable If you want to not debate at all, just recognize that people are entitled to their opinions. Nobody has to justify their opinions to anyone. Recognize that debate is not always the best way to communicate ideas or to change someone's mind. Things like that"
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How do you accept things as they are and move on? | Practical advice: be firm with yourself that it is not helpful to dwell on these thoughts. The relationship is over, and you are now both free to pursue your separate lives. Remove any physical momentos of him eg pictures, gifts, things you bought together ... remove him from your social media, block him on your phone etc etc Now find other things to fill the 'void'. Now is the time to explore your own favourite music, take a new hobby, find new exercise routines and healthy activities. Change you hair because this reflects the new you, not to tell him about it. Start cookery classes, or learn an instrument or a language. Take steps to learn skills, and become the person you want to be This being a Stoicism sub, I would direct you to Stoicism. You are lucky you chose this sub, there is a wealth of ancient wisdom about how to live well, and be self-sufficient. You can find materials from the links on this page, or YouTube etc (always look for capital S Stoicism, cos little s is an unhelpful toxic offshoot of the good stuff). As time passes you will have enough to fill your life, and you will grow into the great future that awaits you. | [
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"content": "Practical advice: be firm with yourself that it is not helpful to dwell on these thoughts. The relationship is over, and you are now both free to pursue your separate lives. Remove any physical momentos of him eg pictures, gifts, things you bought together ... remove him from your social media, block him on your phone etc etc Now find other things to fill the 'void'. Now is the time to explore your own favourite music, take a new hobby, find new exercise routines and healthy activities. Change you hair because this reflects the new you, not to tell him about it. Start cookery classes, or learn an instrument or a language. Take steps to learn skills, and become the person you want to be This being a Stoicism sub, I would direct you to Stoicism. You are lucky you chose this sub, there is a wealth of ancient wisdom about how to live well, and be self-sufficient. You can find materials from the links on this page, or YouTube etc (always look for capital S Stoicism, cos little s is an unhelpful toxic offshoot of the good stuff). As time passes you will have enough to fill your life, and you will grow into the great future that awaits you."
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Sometimes I think about changing, but changing disgusts me. What is going on with me? | >change is life itself, that shit is coming for everyone, you , me, even if you don't want... Well, that's uncomfortable. I just wish things would at least last until I die. >About the no fap thing, you need to realize that masturbation is not a sin or anything bad(to a certain point of course), that shit has to happen, it's a natural thing to do. There's no sin associated to it, just be respectful with others and that's it, enjoy your private time. A man that eyaculates +22 times a month will decrease the risk on prostate cancer, it doesn't cause ED. So as Epictetus says in enchiridion 15: "go and take your fair share everytime the waiter comes in front of you", don't be driven for the desire to it. Even tough I already know it's not a sin, thank you for telling me that, I swear, thank you. >For the job thing, well you need one, because it will be times in the future that you won't be able to work... and that shit is coming... you need to save some money for those years... and shit. Good luck!!! Office jobs, retail jobs bore me... What would really make me happy? If I can't be happy, then why keep on living? | [
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"content": ">change is life itself, that shit is coming for everyone, you , me, even if you don't want... Well, that's uncomfortable. I just wish things would at least last until I die. >About the no fap thing, you need to realize that masturbation is not a sin or anything bad(to a certain point of course), that shit has to happen, it's a natural thing to do. There's no sin associated to it, just be respectful with others and that's it, enjoy your private time. A man that eyaculates +22 times a month will decrease the risk on prostate cancer, it doesn't cause ED. So as Epictetus says in enchiridion 15: \"go and take your fair share everytime the waiter comes in front of you\", don't be driven for the desire to it. Even tough I already know it's not a sin, thank you for telling me that, I swear, thank you. >For the job thing, well you need one, because it will be times in the future that you won't be able to work... and that shit is coming... you need to save some money for those years... and shit. Good luck!!! Office jobs, retail jobs bore me... What would really make me happy? If I can't be happy, then why keep on living?"
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How to get over a heartbreak | It's really tough when you find a Girl you like talking (in your head you think she is flirting) with another guy. I've been there, exactly where you are right now. I did some mistake like i never asked her to be my girlfriend and second one i was "too nice to hear". So I don't want you to do the same mistake. Talk with her couple of days just like the "old days" where (maybe) you used to make her laugh, keep her engage in convos just like that. Make her feel every emotion. Ignore her when she is too much in the convo. Make her feel special and "Flirt Indirectly"(this one is important) eg. How not to flirt 👇 Her :- "I love Singing" You :- "oh wow, that's great. I would love to hear you sing" Instead Do this Her - "i love singing" You - "Believe it or not, but i love/like girl who love singing" Maybe you are past this point but what I want to say is don't be too direct. Keep the mystery this will make her attached to you if you can make her feel every emotion. And then just ask her to be your girlfriend. If she said yes. Then Congratulations. But if she said no then use that heartbreak like a fuel. Do something you like, go to the gym, read books, Make New friends. But at the end of this Heartbreak journey you will be grateful for the Heartbreak, for the lesson, etc. Even if she said yes to be your girlfriend she is going to break your heart that's for sure. So Just read other people's comments and do what you feel right. (LMK if this helps and don't forget to tell me what happened next) | [
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"content": "It's really tough when you find a Girl you like talking (in your head you think she is flirting) with another guy. I've been there, exactly where you are right now. I did some mistake like i never asked her to be my girlfriend and second one i was \"too nice to hear\". So I don't want you to do the same mistake. Talk with her couple of days just like the \"old days\" where (maybe) you used to make her laugh, keep her engage in convos just like that. Make her feel every emotion. Ignore her when she is too much in the convo. Make her feel special and \"Flirt Indirectly\"(this one is important) eg. How not to flirt 👇 Her :- \"I love Singing\" You :- \"oh wow, that's great. I would love to hear you sing\" Instead Do this Her - \"i love singing\" You - \"Believe it or not, but i love/like girl who love singing\" Maybe you are past this point but what I want to say is don't be too direct. Keep the mystery this will make her attached to you if you can make her feel every emotion. And then just ask her to be your girlfriend. If she said yes. Then Congratulations. But if she said no then use that heartbreak like a fuel. Do something you like, go to the gym, read books, Make New friends. But at the end of this Heartbreak journey you will be grateful for the Heartbreak, for the lesson, etc. Even if she said yes to be your girlfriend she is going to break your heart that's for sure. So Just read other people's comments and do what you feel right. (LMK if this helps and don't forget to tell me what happened next)"
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How do you avoid procrastination? | I am currently working with a procrastination coach. The experience is what got me interested in stoicism. Here is what I've learned: "Reward process and not product." This changed my entire perspective. By focusing solely on your future you make the task harder in the moment and harder to re-start later. While you are performing the task tell yourself "this is hard, I do it of my own free will, and I love this process of learning". This gives your brain a reward in the moment and keeps you in the task. When you punish yourself for everything you don't know you make the experience unenjoyable. It sounds like you reward yourself with the idea that you might someday be an expert at something, which pulls you out of learning to the next fantasy. Just look at the actual great work you are doing, and know you are getting better at learning. The ability to learn transfers to all topics. I'm sure you are great at it, you just need to say it out loud. "I'm learning, and I'm learning to learn!" | [
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"content": "I am currently working with a procrastination coach. The experience is what got me interested in stoicism. Here is what I've learned: \"Reward process and not product.\" This changed my entire perspective. By focusing solely on your future you make the task harder in the moment and harder to re-start later. While you are performing the task tell yourself \"this is hard, I do it of my own free will, and I love this process of learning\". This gives your brain a reward in the moment and keeps you in the task. When you punish yourself for everything you don't know you make the experience unenjoyable. It sounds like you reward yourself with the idea that you might someday be an expert at something, which pulls you out of learning to the next fantasy. Just look at the actual great work you are doing, and know you are getting better at learning. The ability to learn transfers to all topics. I'm sure you are great at it, you just need to say it out loud. \"I'm learning, and I'm learning to learn!\""
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