So there are lots of programming jobs out there at places that are not like the valley.  Thing Initech from Office Space - business casual dress code, gantt charts, dreary cubes, long death march schedules you have no control over, people are resources first, salaries are intentionally below market rate...<p>I landed at one of these a few years ago and got out ASAP.  They&#x27;re out there, but not so much in the Bay Area because the talent war is so hot - any place like that wouldn&#x27;t be able to hire or keep anyone.