<i>Gates went on to say that there were benefits to governments having some access to information, but that there would have to be rules in place to limit how they can access that information. He says that he hopes people will &quot;have that debate so that safeguards are built and so people do not opt out -- and this will be in country by country -- [to say] it is better that the government does not have access to any information.&quot;</i><p>Is this not the same thing that Apple is arguing for? Except they are looking for the conversation to happen before the requested action?