Penalizing the language because the people who use it really like the creator seems like an odd way to approach languages.<p>That said, I will say that Rich&#x27;s talks and his approach resonate with me in ways that none of those other guys you mentioned do.<p>It may just be how he chooses to structure his talks and how he expresses himself, but his willingness to both critique existing systems <i>and</i> provide (arguably) better solutions is really refreshing.   I don&#x27;t see that being communicated well in other talks.