&gt; In both cases, what you get is not an international trade agrement. You may as well vote &quot;no&quot; or not even try to negotiate a deal.<p>Right, which is the exact point of this whole tiresome conversation about negotiations.<p>People who don&#x27;t want TPP (or TTIP) to become law have figured out that it&#x27;s easier to attack the process than to attack the substance[1], and the outcome would be the same.<p>[1] Not because the substance is unassailable, but because talking about it requires informing the listener, whereas invoking fears of secret cabals does not.