&gt; It&#x27;s not so much the value of life as much as the life experiences pain and suffering.<p>So, how do you quantify the &quot;experience of pain and suffering&quot;? Is the scream of a mammal any different than the chemicals of &quot;screaming&quot; that plants emit when they&#x27;re being hurt?<p>Or is the sickness (and chemical whimpering) of a cucumber somehow foreign to someone familiar with the whimpering of some sick human or animal?<p>It seems to me that your value of pain and suffering is only limited to your human experience: in other words, &quot;if it&#x27;s not a mammal, I can&#x27;t empathize, and I refuse to acknowledge that non-mammals can also have pain and suffer.&quot;<p>I figure, given how militant you are about veganism, that you would also do your homework to see if plants also have the similar attributes animals have. Alas, I&#x27;m wrong. I expect too much scientific thought and critical assessments of world-views. I can only conclude that your position is that of a political one; as it&#x27;s certainly not scientific, nor will you consider the ethical ramifications.