I can't speak for all Flash haters, but a device where you choose to have Flash would be fine. The problem for many is that Flash's near ubiquity means if you don't have it, or don't want it, you lose access to things, many of which don't need Flash for any fundamental reason, just history and business and inertia lead us here.<p>This is why popular devices without Flash are good. They make people think "Is it worth using Flash to enhance this site for some portion of my audience? And if I can deliver the same content without Flash is the added value worth the extra time and effort?"