Guys, can I suggest that your points can be made more forcefully by stating a position, and not simply attacking each other?<p>And before replying to this, read this:
<a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1006657" rel="nofollow">http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1006657</a><p>I've been guilty, and occasionally still am guilty, of exactly what PG is observing.  You can disagree without attacking each other, and you can make your points without snide asides.<p>Please.