The reverse engineered codec library may be supported in all the usual software players that handle everything, but I've never seen hardware support from anything other than iPods, iPhones or Airport Expresses (all of which I own) and this is apparently because of Apple's refusal to licence it. FLAC is of course widely implemented:<p><a href="http://flac.sourceforge.net/links.html#hardware" rel="nofollow">http://flac.sourceforge.net/links.html#hardware</a><p>I find it surprising that the independently developed FLAC codec would suffer from the same problems as the Ogg container, unless you're talking about the slightly nonstandard FLAC in Ogg approach.<p>But if Apple really re-implemented a lookalike lossless format because they couldn't figure out any other way to put it in a .mov container then I think we're agreed that their engineering priorities around this issue are all messed up.