You don't think that's a learning experience either?<p>People in the tech, and geek community, are stubborn mother fuckers. You have to have a <i>badass</i> debate skill to get even the most obvious ideas into people's heads. Simply being right doesn't mean a damn thing.<p>Programming Arguments are one of the best places to get these sort of skills. Not only are you trying to convince the unconvincable, you're trying to appeal to the crowd.