&#62; What atheism argues is that reason alone, not faith, should guide our acts;<p>Surely this is axiomatic - you don't derive this by reason. So you are establishing that you should always derive logically your system of ethics except when choosing a system of ethics. Isn't there some crazy dissonance there for you. (I don't think you <i>can</i> square this circle I think it will boil down to a parallel of Godel's Incompleteness Theorem - you have to assume logic into your worldview by faith!).<p>I don't believe that "atheists cannot possibly have ethics" (that's not a Christian position as it's clear in the Bible that God has created in each of us a conscience) but I do think that atheist can't have objective ethical standards that are logically derived. It seems incompatible in my mind that neo-darwinist atheists can claim any action to be objectively right or wrong; things just are under such a world view.<p>How could you possibly have objective anything in a randomly occurring macroscopic quantum anomaly?