&#62; <i>Salted hashes are not that much better than unsalted hashes...</i><p>This statement made my eyebrows go up, and I pretty closely follow everything you say here on HN, and a lot of the things you say on Matasano.<p>Are you saying "not much better" in the relative sense, as in, "not much better because if all you're doing is salting, then you're still doing it wrong"? Or more absolutely, as in, "salting doesn't gain you anything"?