I&#x27;m happy to agree to disagree, though we both agree that IT is more tolerant of shabbiness. I do think that your definition of &#x27;professional&#x27; is too narrow - &#x27;professionals&#x27; are more than finance, sales, and middle-managers. I guess my point was primarily that the stereotype of developers doesn&#x27;t seem to match up with the actuality of developers. I just get verbose and waffley at times.<p>And yes, this isn&#x27;t a debate that should send either of us a-searching :)