I think we&#x27;re moving the goalposts here. Is there any controversy over whether Ukraine has BUK launchers, or use 9M38M1 missiles? Both Ukraine and Russia clearly do.<p>Nobody forced in anyone in Russia to make the easily falsified claim that they didn&#x27;t have any 9M38M1 missiles. The only reason it&#x27;s interesting to establish that they did is that it harms an alibi they weren&#x27;t forced to offer.<p>The Dutch report, and a lot of other open-source evidence, makes it pretty unlikely that the Ukranians launched the missile. This is a missile system that consists of several vehicles, one of which is a giant lumbering missile launcher. The missile was launched within an 100km^2 firmly controlled by the separatists. The Ukranian military didn&#x27;t spirit a missile launcher convoy to a wheat field just a few km south of Snizhne --- a town that Ukraine was <i>bombing</i> --- spectacularly down a jetliner, and then somehow spirit that convoy back to Ukranian-held territory. That is not a reasonable narrative.<p>I don&#x27;t see any serious arguments that this was anything other than a tragic accident. No matter who launched the missile, we&#x27;re all pretty sure they didn&#x27;t mean to shoot down MH17. The subtext behind Russia&#x27;s involvement is that they set up a barely-organized irregular separatist militia with a weapons system that was easily capable of shooting down airliners.