Understanding costs with and without subsidies is critical. I believe the current reports about renewables being cost-effective relative to fossil fuels includes subsidies but I couldn&#x27;t find the raw data after a few minutes of googling.  If so, just means the costs are being shifted -- and that renewables are still more expensive than coal&#x2F;gas.<p>The big problem is that we still don&#x27;t have effective ways to time-shift energy production.  Solar and wind power sources will <i>never</i> replace base-load coal&#x2F;gas plants until we can solve that problem.  Battery technology doesn&#x27;t solve this problem yet.