Yeah, they definitely are.<p>I reported a major issue of comcast to an indirect associate of mine I know who&#x27;s huge into security. I wanted some contacts with folk who know how to disclose it properly, since I wasn&#x27;t getting much help from comcast. He pretty much shrugged me off because I don&#x27;t have a traditional &quot;infosec personality&quot;. A day later, I got a hold of some pretty high ups in comcast who actually fixed it. Their engineers were completely blown away by the issue and it sounds like it might do pretty well for me in the end.  He wasn&#x27;t the only one who shrugged me off, but if I&#x27;d gotten help from any of them, it might&#x27;ve gone well for them, too. The exclusionary attitude is pretty ridiculous.<p>I think a lot of the problem is that their threat models tend to cause them to become pretty reclusive, so that they don&#x27;t really want to trust &quot;newbs&quot;. Problem is that it now feels like a paranoid echo chamber.<p>I commented here a while back about working with Northwestern&#x27;s security to try and protect my own HIPAA data.  NW&#x27;s response to my disclosure was &quot;We&#x27;re already doing scans. Report back when you find something serious.&quot; It&#x27;s fucking sad that security&#x27;s treated this way on many fronts. If you&#x27;re not on the &quot;in&quot;, then you&#x27;re considered a script kiddie, if you&#x27;re on the &quot;enterprise in&quot;, then you&#x27;re useless and completely caught in red tape, and if you&#x27;re in the &quot;in crowd&quot;, then you&#x27;re part of an echo chamber.<p>Just yesterday, I was explaining my reasoning for wanting to make a LAN party insecure as possible to promote openness rather than exclusion, since any measure to add extreme security would prevent further appearances. The not-so-fine print wold be, &quot;Hey guys, your stuff is insecure. This is intentional. Please treat it as such.&quot; His recommendation that for each different game (of maybe 30), you disconnect and re-request from dhcp for the vlan which is hosting the game you want to play. Two games wouldn&#x27;t be allowed. Silliness.