At some point mathematical objects are defined with meta-mathematical definitions (axioms etc), so we can accept definitions based on those terms.<p>But in any case. You obviously do not believe that mathematical objects exist in the first place and it the question is ill posed based on your concept of reality and existence.<p>That&#x27;s understandable, but the debate is about which is the right definition of existence reality etc. If you are not interested in this discussion and know the answers then you have nothing to gain from this paper or this discussion.