&gt; Virtually everyone seriously condoning torture believe it is effective.<p>I think a very high number of &quot;torture proponents&quot; are simply in favor of hurting the &quot;bad guys&quot; and don&#x27;t even care that there might be information to be had.<p>Donald Trump said it best, to an arena full of cheering supporters:<p>&quot;If it doesn’t work, they deserve it anyway, for what they’re doing&quot;<p>In his mind, and the minds of his constituents, the &quot;information gathering&quot; aspect is a sly wink at the other sadists in the room.