&gt; &gt; But we were confronted with documented evidence in 2013 that even what most people would consider to be a fairly forthright upstanding government was abusing these capabilities in the most indiscriminate way.<p>&gt; Um. Who thought this? Ever? Since the 90s.<p>To be clear this meant who thought we had &quot;a fairly forthright upstanding government [not] abusing these capabilities in the most indiscriminate way&quot; ever since the 90s.