&gt;I can&#x27;t believe anyone would bother making such a fatuous point, to which the obvious response is simply: plenty of uncharged and unconvicted (and even convicted for that matter) people have not broken the law.<p>Which is entirely irrelevant. Your claim was that innocent simply meant not found guilty, which is incorrect. There&#x27;s a &quot;presumption&quot; of innocence: &quot;innocence&quot; means they actually didn&#x27;t do it, and the law assumes they&#x27;re in that state until proven otherwise. That doesn&#x27;t mean everyone presumed innocent is innocent.<p>&gt;If stating that black sites are set up specifically to detain people without charge and torture them is &quot;misleading&quot;, according to you, please explain what you believe the purpose of black sites is.<p>I didn&#x27;t say that. I specifically suggested you use &quot;unconvicted&quot;, but if you&#x27;d used &quot;uncharged&quot; it would be fine. The word innocent is problematic for reasons I&#x27;ve explained.