ah, gotcha, I guess my point above was that titles are abitrary as fuck. For example:<p>Patrick Collison dropped out of MIT to be the founder and lead developer of 2 technology companies. So I guess I just have trouble figuring out what to call someone who performs all of the same tasks and functions as a label, has much of the knowledge associated with someone who has such a label, and actively studied the for a degree in that label as an autodidact, at a top-tier university(uncompleted), and as an apprentice.<p>Is he not an engineer? If not, would he be if he finished the few semesters he was shy of graduating at university of phoenix online?