Wow, sore spot? ;)<br/><br/>Wren is a rogue 4/Swashbuckler 4. Like you, I tend to think that 3.5 didn't solve the problems of 2nd ed so much as just make everything other than spellcasters unattractive. But, no one else was picking up the need for a rogue in a party, and a party needs a rogue in the same way it needs a thug to pound heads in melee (fighter), but I didn't want to be such a whimpy character and I've always loved the witty, fast flash and swagger of a swashbuckler. It's pretty much half and half right now.<br/><br/>I agree flanking is difficult to do, but bluff and feints are only slightly better... At best Wren is a light fighter, but when she's in melee, she should be fairly impressive... if she can get into the fight.<br/><br/>Anyway,Every game I've seen of either 3.5 or Pathfinder have been so magic heavy that I think that one decent rogue actually could take the whole bunch if he/she could just sneak to melee range.