I understand that Charisma does include appearance, and have never disputed that. It also includes those other 4 things Krysia and I have pointed out, and he is certainly strong in those 4 points, while 'okay' in the last one. I don't understand how that constitutes a 10 for Charisma, especially considering I've discussed my plans with CWand over and over and she's had no problems with it as DM.<br/><br/>Krysia I can understand where you're coming from, and I appreciate your knowledge on the game, but you're treating the PHB like a bible, and not what it was supposed to be treated as: A guideline. There's really no need to get up in flames about all of this...