<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=50145.msg2364494#msg2364494">Quote from: Maleficent on 21-10-2009, 20:10:29</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote"><br/>I NEVER SAID HE HAD TO CHANGE HIS CHARACTER! I said IF he wanted a PLAIN looking person he failed. AVERAGE stat in 3.5 is 10. A common person on the street would have 10 or below in their stats. This is WHY the players are called Adventurers. It is because of the HIGHER then AVERAGE stats that they get at Starting level.<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Again, there are more aspects to charisma than simply appearance.  The character is average in appearance, yes, but spectacular in personal magnetism, leadership skills, et cetera.  To then single out appearance as the sole criterion for determining charisma is irrational and has no basis within the rules.<br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=50145.msg2364494#msg2364494">Quote from: Maleficent on 21-10-2009, 20:10:29</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">If the stat was to be broken down into 5 separate things the way you claim then the sheet would be broken down and have 5 separate places for you to put those different stats. Take a look at the 2nd edition sheet there were places on them to break down your stats using skills and powers. Unfortunately this is 3.5 now isn't it?<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Step 1: Conceive a character.  A human (or inhuman) being.  A person.<br/><br/>Step 2: Stat out that character.<br/><br/>It is perfectly valid for a human being to have spectacular leadership skills, yet be as ugly as sin.  It is perfectly acceptable to have a character that has spectacular leadership skills, and yet is ugly as sin.  How do you represent such a character statistically?  Of these two aspects of charisma, one is extremely low, the other extremely high.  Within the confines of the rules, the most sensible way to represent them is with a charisma score somewhere in the middle.<br/><br/>Now, a character who is written, who has spectacular abilities in four of the five aspects of charisma, yet is average in the fifth.  The character is written.  The character is good.  The character is a sound and logical human being.  It's just that the character is spectacular in four aspects of charisma and mediocre at one.  Within the confines of the rules, the best way to represent that character is with a high charisma score, as the character is still supposed to be good at pretty much all the mechanical functions that charisma governs.