<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=50216.msg2364421#msg2364421">Quote from: Maleficent on 21-10-2009, 19:52:07</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Actually no the wizard didn't have any of that, he was barbarian 1, wizard 4, fighter 2, blade singer 5, spell sword 1. His base attack bonus was an 11 which is 2 off of being a straight fighter. So yes he was a fighter and it does count. He had fighter levels on him and he stood up in front of everyone else. He was able to get a 70+ AC at level 13. You can do A LOT with a fighter IF you're willing to ACTUALLY read the rules. <br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>A level 11 character who takes a two-level Fighter dip with spells doing the bulk of the heavy lifting is not a Fighter.  It's a multi-classed gish that took a Fighter dip.<br/><br/>And there<em>is</em>a lot you can do with a Fighter, it's just that most of it is only any good as a<em>dip</em>.  Those first two levels are really good, as two extra feats is pretty nice (and much more than that gets less and less useful at a greater and greater cost).  The class itself, run from level 1 to 20, will pretty much bite unless you utterly twink out on one of a handful of paths.  A level 20 Wizard can be very powerful.  A level 20 Beguiler can be very powerful.  A level 20 Warblade can be very powerful.  Even a level 20 Rogue or Bard can be pretty damn stout without too terribly much work.  Fighter 20?  Unless you totally twink out an ubercharger, or a spiked chain tripper, or a Jack B Quick caliber counter whore, you're not gonna stack up, and even then, you're easily countered.  For a "Fighter" to function, they pretty much have to take at least a dozen levels of Not Fighter, at which point they're not even half Fighter anymore.