<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=3906.msg129490#msg129490">Quote from: Jefepato on 06-02-2006, 02:16:14</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">The reason I ask is because in later oWoD, they changed it so that (although 1s still subtract successes) you can only botch if you had no successes before accounting for 1s.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Hmm . . . must've ignroed that change with all my former groups.  :)<br/><br/>Ok, I think all the background info and rule're up.  I'm still working on getting the NPCs up, but that'll have to wait for another hour or two (time to go spend some time with the wife).