The line between bickering and discussing, it be mighty fine.  But I've<em>tried</em>multiple times to let the Fighter thing drop; it keeps getting picked back up in a whole new direction independently worthy of discussion.<br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=50216.msg2365317#msg2365317">Quote from: Odin on 21-10-2009, 23:05:23</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">It was some crazy feats and other BS. But most DMs don't allow that kind of stuff in their games. Like I said before I usually screen material and a lot of stuff from Exalted Deeds, Psionics, Tome of Battle and some of the other books isn't allowed. It really depends on the game and all.<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>ToB and Psionics are actually a<em>lot</em>lighter on the high end cheese than most stuff, and much of there is blatantly ridiculous (like using Iron Heart Surge to end the sun's light effect).  The books you<em>really</em>have to worry about are unupdated 3.0 stuff (freaky rules conflicts, what with being 3.0), Complete Champion (the book that makes no fucking sense), Sandstorm/Frostburn (a major source of freaky rules conflicts, like the linchpin of the Locate City nuke), and Exalted Deeds/Vile Darkness (my god, Vile Darkness... I'm gonna need to post some of my Vile Darkness rules wanks when i get home, they're epic).