<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=50216.msg2363734#msg2363734">Quote from: CWand on 21-10-2009, 16:03:40</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">oh and Katina you do realize the IC thread is up right?<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>I'm aware.  I've just been on in short bursts, without the time I'd like to make my post.<br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=50216.msg2363851#msg2363851">Quote from: Maleficent on 21-10-2009, 16:53:41</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I beg to differ on getting an AC of 51 at level 20 &gt;.&gt; I know a up front wizard who can get a 70+ AC at only level 13. He's the hardest damn wizard to hit AND he's a multiclassed wizard at that. He has levels of Barbarian in him. No he's not a rage mage either.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>But a Wizard is not a Fighter; you pretty much need to be a caster to get the kinds of boosts it takes to get an armor class that matters, though oftentimes they have better defenses.  An AC of 51 is getting close to a Fighter fully invested in armor class.  Wanna go much farther, and you pretty much have to be a mage.  I'm guessing this Wizard had five levels of Abjurant Champion and applied its benefits to multiple buffs?<br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=50216.msg2363851#msg2363851">Quote from: Maleficent on 21-10-2009, 16:53:41</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Why thank you. :) Means I know how to build a character. I've been playing bards since 3.0 and I know exactly what I want to do with Phel. It'll take her a while to get up there, but once I hit 3rd level and start dishing out bonuses I shouldn't, you'll love the way I build my bards. And if you are curious as to what prestige class I'm aiming for, Sublime Chord.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Actually, I hadn't really checked.  At a glance, it looks fairly standard for a first level Bard to me, but they don't usually get the cool stuff 'til later.  Most of what I know about really making Bards work (aside from spell selection) is how to twink the ever-living crap out of Inspire Courage to the point where I'd never actually use it in-game (as in a possible 8 AB, 8d6+8 damage at level 3).