<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=189056.msg9485425#msg9485425">Quote from: greenknight on 21-01-2014, 09:38:07</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I would argue that unless you knew what specific item you were looking for, you wouldn't see anything inside any of them. Especially in the case of the HHH, you have to reach for a specific item and it is always on top. Like a bag of holding, turning a HHH inside out would cause all its contents to pour out, as it's fixed weight is appropriate to a leather pack, it should take considerable suspicion to risk damaging a customer's well-made leather pack by turning it inside out. As absolutely would happen to the side pouches for a normally constructed pack matching the item description. Or is there a permanent <em>detect magic </em>effect in place?<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>The way I'm thinking of it is that a bag of holding/handy haversack is essentially a normal empty bag/backpack with an entrance to an extradimensional space inside it. Just like throwing down a portable hole would allow you to see into that extradimensional space, so would opening the bag of holding and looking inside. Sure, from someone watching you from the side, you're just opening an empty sack.<br/><br/>The handy haversack is different in that there is an enchantment that allows the user to pull out whatever they intend to pull out without having to dig for it. It doesn't mean that the bag would appear empty to someone looking down into it, just that if you reached into it with the intent to pull out a specific item that is held in the bag, it would be magically put into your grasp.<br/><br/>To everyone's knowledge, and Adrian knows this for a fact, there is no detect magic spell in play, but considering the clientele of The Copper Cup (wealthy and middle class locals and adventurers looking to spend coin), the staff knows that magical means of concealing weapons exist, including secreting them away in an extradimensional space, and that allowing guests to bring outside weapons into the main section of the building could potentially be very bad for business. That's why they take reasonable precautions like insisting that bags be left up front, or at the very least searched.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=189056.msg9485517#msg9485517">Quote from: greenknight on 21-01-2014, 10:19:27</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">@Calrond. I think you misunderstood my Sense Motive. Cail knows this security thing, he was a Watcher. Are the guards using a new procedure or suddenly being less lax about existing ones? If so, they might be expecting trouble given current events.<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Ok, I understand now. Cail definitely gets the feeling (if he's been here before) that the guards are less lax about their procedures. Security has been stepped up.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=189056.msg9485476#msg9485476">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 21-01-2014, 09:57:07</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Also side note Adrian's familiar likely covers roof or bird point of view on the local area and has arcane sight also. So if Adrian is in presence of magic item or someone uses spells, he notices them.<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>At this point, Adrian does not detect any suspicious magical auras in the room, though the ink on the stamp seems to be emitting a slight aura, as does the threshold of the door.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=189056.msg9485773#msg9485773">Quote from: Blinkin on 21-01-2014, 13:29:14</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">It just seems wierd to "look" into a bag of holding, or handy haversack and see several dozen items clearly even thought the space that you can actually view through is only about a foot square.<br/><br/>So, which is it? Bag appears empty, empty at some point, or you see 80 pounds of junk in it at a glance? It'll effect how Wren reacts.<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Think of the opening of the bag of holding, where the drawstring might be, as a portal to an extradimensional space. You're not actually looking into the bag at all, but into a pocket universe of a size that depends on the type of bag you bought, and happens to be lined with the same material as the bag (so that it can be turned inside out). That way the bag always appears empty from the outside, but not to someone peering down into it through the opening. That's why someone has to fish around in the bag of holding to pull out what they want - they can feel the stuff inside and they're trying to grab the thing they want. And if they can feel around inside of a bag of holding, they can also see the stuff into it. The handy haversack is only different in the shape and material of the bag and the enchantment that brings the item the user wants to the top of the bag. You can still fish around in it to see what's in it, but it's only when you have the intent to grab something specific in the bag that it leaps to the top of the pile.<br/><br/>So to someone looking down into the bag, they'd be able to see what was inside.