<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=188048.msg9090273#msg9090273">Quote from: Scribbles on 22-10-2013, 11:56:59</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Fine, I'll grudgingly accede to the ship upgrade before the entire ship starts whining about cold showers, electrical shortages and chunks of metal falling off. Weenies! <br/><br/>On a related note, from what Kckolbe's said, they're pretty much both floating coffins. The difference in speed and manoeuvring is negligible, so we won't be able to dodge fighters and transports should the military let some slip by with either ship. <br/><br/>As for Subordinate, maybe we should consider putting it into Wealth instead and buy a Marketplace? I'm not sure if Subordinate adds anything to the fleet but I know Wealth gives us extra resources every month. If we take the one point off Subordinate, we can even push it to thirty and purchase a Chapel.<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>This is your suggestion so you don't have to accede to anything, if it was entirely your choice where would you put the points? Then idiots like me are free to come along and say "I wouldn't do that because...." and then we work out something that everyone can sort of get behind.<br/><br/>Looking at what we can buy with wealth; The equivalent of the security force can be bought for 2 pts in power so the extra expense seems like a nonstarter. Marketplace,Chapel,Extra Gardens. I think it should be possible to 'construct' all of those on the ship given the right circumstances and organization.  I don't think we could make an artisan later, so they are might be now or never purchases.<br/>Also looking at Steward v Marketplace, just pulling numbers out of the air, say there is a 20% chance of wealth decreasing, 60% chance of it staying the same and 20% of it increasing.<br/>With the marketplace the odds stay the same but if we get an increase it's bigger but with Steward if it moves from 20%/60%/20% to 15%/60%/25% then in the long run I think we're better off with the Steward.<br/><br/>And playing devil's advocate for a second, if we're going to be totally reliant on the military for defence wouldn't expect us to reciprocate by filling all of their support needs? Which would mean cranking support up to 40 to cover all the basics  (food,fuel & mining).