@Calrond, please, could you point to me, in what part does Traditions toke Princedom into count ? Prince is superficial "elder" if not even that, and Traditions predate princedoms by 1500years or so... Domain is domain of who ever hold power there (and is elder).<br/><br/>Sure, "common" miss-conseption about Traditions is that its "prince" and "Justicar" and "Inner circle" who makes them... they are just using old texts to give backbone to Camarilla, nothing more...  Sure, its not wise to go saying that to Ivory-tower agents, but... that dont meen its false neighter.<br/><br/>Only more reasons, why Code of Honor: Traditions are bad idea.. sure, its playable and will cause actions and give bonuses (to WP and Virtue rolls in odd cases) but pretty hazardous to live by.