<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=50216.msg2363514#msg2363514">Quote from: CWand on 21-10-2009, 14:02:26</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">and personally can't see why you are so obsessed with Kate, Odin, Kry, Villian, or any of the other builds that you've complained about.  Especially since only Odin's is in your group at all.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>I do believe I've thoroughly expressed the reasons for my problems with Nara's build.  The issue with Villain is similar, though has more to do with the actual eclipsing; Joshua's build certainly seems coherently built and with more mind given to long term efficacy, but that build is a slaughterbot, which is Benny's niche, which is more direct competition, making eclipsing a bigger deal unto itself.  Kry, I've voiced absolutely no concerns about, and the Bard class only received passing mention.  Odin, I've also voiced no concerns about (at least, not for Maddy), and I'm fairly well aware of what he has in mind, which is fairly coherent and effective.<br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=50216.msg2363541#msg2363541">Quote from: Kate on 21-10-2009, 14:18:34</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">btw can any link me with references other than these ones (online preferable or anything really )</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>I'll link you to some of the stuff I have when I get home, though it may be a bit of a bother.  WotC has a decent amount of free material in previews.  What sources do you have on hand?