<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=50216.msg2361537#msg2361537">Quote from: Zylvyn on 20-10-2009, 22:48:32</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">So essentially... looking back at all your posts, you feel that the two characters listed in the original statement that you didn't want to be in the same party as... you don't want to be with them not necessarily because you will eclipse them... but because you feel that they won't pull their own weight?</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>The two reasons are one in the same.  Tome of Battle eclipsing conventional melee is the end result of conventional melee being unable to do their job without extreme optimization.  There's a lot to the eclipsing, its causes, and its effects.<br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=50216.msg2361537#msg2361537">Quote from: Zylvyn on 20-10-2009, 22:48:32</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Kate seems perfectly comfortable with her character, and her intended approach to things (from what I can tell) so why should you be concerned on her behalf about her feeling less useful?</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>The problem becomes the roleplaying fault, that before too long, she's going to be a liability, and the thing is, what in the world does a character<em>designed</em>to suck at everything bring to the table?