<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=170330.msg8008175#msg8008175">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 06-04-2013, 00:56:29</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Well, I am willing change the gender requirement. I just kind stuck on the hathran approach to restrict it to between men and women but so that sisterhood members marry mostly male casters. Perhaps the split is done by the entry feat and there is a separated sisterhood and then brotherhood which get same PrC but they have just slightly different ideologies/focus. </blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>You could do that but I don't think it's worth your time to create two versions of the class for that. This is a large scale campaign but we don't need to write a rulebook for it. (EDIT: I needed to point out the biggest problem I have is that I want the adept feat to be easy to qualify for. I certainly don't want all my elite caster followers to have to be female)<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=170330.msg8008175#msg8008175">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 06-04-2013, 00:56:29</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Well, so far as I understood most feys are neutral or chaotic. Only lawful aspect from nature itself is seasons and eternal cycle of life and death and life of predator and prey etc. So caster strongly associated with fey would need have more fey alike alignment (feys do have laws I know but drows also have laws and they are neutral evil/chaotic evil besides rare exceptions).</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Off the top of my head I know a coupple. Oreads (Lawful Neutral) and Verdant Princes (Lawful Evil) born in winter. Ravenloft actually dealt with fey in a way more in line with the seelie and unseelie courts and it had lawful fey (many were lawful evil). More than anything though it's just odd to have to change my characters alignment to fit into a class designed with her in mind. Changing her to NE isn't too big a deal though. Probably makes her CE deity happier too.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=170330.msg8008175#msg8008175">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 06-04-2013, 00:56:29</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I thinked the base number of three as 'witch's coven' sort of deal. Also part of inspiration was from Charmed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charmed). Plus my personal concern that 5 and then 10 would make it too easy to get CL 40 so I pushed it into 3 and 6 so you may need strong followers (or cooperation with NPC sisters when you want to go serious god mode and blow shit up). </blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/><br/>Sounds good enough.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=170330.msg8008175#msg8008175">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 06-04-2013, 00:56:29</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Acorn is indeed stealthy reference to 'Acorn of Far Travel' :P. Anyways the acorn is meant to provide link to the fey realm while your outside from it and it universally replaces role of focus to <em>all</em> spells. So it can provide big money saver for spells which asks expensive focus which is consumed but acorn is not consumed. Also it is means how feys can make sure you never exploit powers against the court or harm the court (it's meant as power check; if you fuck feys over they can destroy the acorn remotely and rob all your powers). But so long you get along with feys this is not a problem at all and feys do revere you. Acorn is not destroyed by whim of one fey, only queen from each court can make the call to destroy acorn (so nothing prevents you kidnap unseelie nymph and forcibly ravish her so long she is nobody important enough influence queen of the court). </blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/><br/>I can deal with that. The Two Queen's are deities so not personally pissing them off is good advice for anyone really. They also hate each other so the Za'Selutaar really has to only not piss off one of them because the other has no power over them to begin with.<br/><br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=170330.msg8008175#msg8008175">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 06-04-2013, 00:56:29</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Idea of the tree/plants is that elves are attuned closely to feys, nature, moon, sun etc. Also idea was provide wizards, sorcs and bards and so on access on druid spells and so give nice flavor (and provide some illusions for druids or witches which they normally lack). The orders are ancient and so their roots are kinda 'druidic' in that sort way. It does not stop you embracing cold dark winter theme as unseelie (as frost bitten forest is still a forest and wilderness can be also tundra and so forth).<br/><br/>Well, I think this case it would keep dragon type but would get also fey classification (but would keep dragon base so it is 'fey dragon'). Or it could be added if having odd types then subject becomes 'fey touched' creature instead.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Both make sense now and are fine with me. You can still add the fey domain spells to the list or at least expect me to present you with a few of them to add to my repertoire as personally created spells.  You know me well enough that even looking at the domain spells you should be able to tell which ones I'm going to try and get one way or another. Actually I may like the idea of them being personal creations better, then other Za'Selutaar don't have automatic access to them. We will discuss those over PM, at that point it doesn't involve the class at all.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=170330.msg8008175#msg8008175">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 06-04-2013, 00:56:29</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Well, I was kinda loss with this one as I wanted somekind power which gives you extra influence over the feys to able bind/call them into your service (somecases even forcibly if need be). Perhaps simply rule that any spells which bind/call on outsiders normally allows now call in feys from the fey realms and able acquire their services (and add all needed spells to your spell list where learn from). <br/>I would keep the seelie/unseelie split but that's good idea otherwise.<br/>As said, want keep it bit thematics :P. </blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>First the plural of Fey is Fae (or even The Fey) no s involved =P. Okay so summon monster and nature ally options expanded as mentioned in wild soul. Rather then say something like "any spell that can call or bind outsiders can also do it to fey" We just specifically say it works with the Planar ally and planar binding spell sets. (and gate?) It's clear what is meant then and doesn't have the potential to lead to discussions about how spells like "Abyssal Army" or "Summon Babu Deamon" are supposed to be able to call a fey. If anything else needs to be adapted it can  be brought up on a case by case basis.<br/><br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=170330.msg8008175#msg8008175">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 06-04-2013, 00:56:29</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Beyond the Woodlands allows once per use to reduce the metamagic slot by -1 or once cast spell from your spellbook (or spell list if spontaneous caster) without preparing it ahead of time. So empowered fireball is a 4th level spell with Fey magic feature. But if you haven't prepared fireball (or have it spell known as spontaneous caster like sorc) to be casted then you need use Beyond the Woodlands to able cast it first place (can add metamagic feats but without reduction so fireball would be 5th level then when casting it when you haven't prepared it).<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>There are a few more gray areas I can imagine here, but they don't all need to be grated through by a fine tooth comb right now.  It looks good to go as is and I like it.<br/><br/>PS: You realize giving hexes rather than "continuing hex progression" makes it more attractive to non witches than witches right? I may still go with witch entry anyway though. If you want to okay 3.5 spells on case by case basis that just makes it more fun for me since most of the spells I like are the kind of shit witches do, except now I can look at the druid and cleric list too.<br/><br/>I'll assume the class wont change much and work on a character using it.