Here's the thing, Vandren.  Gurahl not only lose Dexterity in Crinos form (because, as we all know, bears are such clumsy creatures), but they can't spend Rage to get extra actions -- so they don't get to really avoid attacks.  Their soak is colossal from their +5 Stamina, but that doesn't apply to silver attacks, so they just kinda lose.<br/><br/>I'm unclear from the book exactly how large Bjornen form is (although given the size of a normal grizzly I'm inclined to say "very"), but my point is its stats.  -2 Dexterity?  An average Gurahl would be literally immobile, and even given Jacob's natural Dexterity of 4, I'd always, always choose Arthren or Ursus to fight in over Bjornen.  Even if I wanted to use Strength-based combat manuevers (which are utterly ridiculous for Mountain Guardians) like clinches.<br/><br/>Don't take this as a complaint against<em>you</em>or anything, Vandren.  I knew all this when I chose to make a Gurahl character.  I'm just blowing off steam.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=3906.msg139546#msg139546">Quote from: Rin on 03-03-2006, 05:57:08</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I put up part of it.<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>I don't see it...