<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=189056.msg9153630#msg9153630">Quote from: Countdown0 on 06-11-2013, 02:46:10</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Does it though? Ogre Mages have 16 or 17 Cha usually, and I'd hardly call them attractive. The PHB does that that character with higher Charisma TEND to be more attractive, but doesn't state it as an actual rule or a universal fact. A character with really high charaisma could be really plain or even ugly, but also be very good at talking to people, and convincing people to see things their way. In the same way, a person with 4 charisma could be drop dead gorgeous, but have all the personality of a paper bag.<br/><br/>In fact, physical attractiveness is tacked on at the end of the thinds that Charisma represents, and to me, its more like an afterthought than anything else.<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Oh but those Ogre Mages...<br/><br/>Didn't say it was perfect (hence the addition of Comeliness for some folks), but that's part of what Charisma is.  Not that it hardly matters, ie. Ogre Mages.<br/><br/>L has a Cha of 21, but I'd hardly say she's drop-dead gorgeous, she also isn't the most personable of the group (but she has no ranks in Diplomacy so, duh).  Could she lead?  Probably not for very long or very well.<br/><br/>If we really wanted to give<em>everything</em>a value we'd be playing Eoris instead of PF  ;D<br/><br/><div class="spoiler_container"><div class="spoiler_header" onclick="hideSecond (this);" role="button">Eoris</div><div class="spoiler_body">(http://i.imgur.com/yJ7j62z.png)</div></div>