<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=50145.msg2364433#msg2364433">Quote from: Katina Tarask on 21-10-2009, 19:54:34</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Pulling your character over something so petty <em>is</em> having a shit fit.  I suggest you take a deep breath, take a step back, and calm down.  Preferably before reading the rest of my post, since I'm not the best person to read when you're put off.<br/><br/>Now then, let's say Charisma does indeed, explicitly, undeniably, irrefutably represent force of personality, persuasiveness, personal magnetism, ability to lead, and physical appearance.  That does <em>not</em> require that everyone is equally apt in all these areas.  This does not mean that one with above average ability to lead must, by necessity, have above average looks.<br/><br/>Let us say Leon has a physical appearance equivalent to a Cha 10 human.  Now, let us say he has a force of personality, persuasiveness, personal magnetism, and ability to lead equivalent to a Cha 20 human.  What is the most accurate charisma score to represent Leon?  The average.  (10+20+20+20+20)/5=18.<br/><br/>Also, mind that the stats are an abstraction.  An extreme abstraction.  Holding to them too closely cheapens the game and writes out perfectly valid character concepts.  Leon is a good and valid character (I hope).  It is a perfectly acceptable character type to have an average-looking con man with spectacular people skills, and the best way to represent those spectacular people skills is a strong charisma score.  It allows him to do what his character is meant to do in the manner he was meant to do it.  To require that Leon have 10 Cha simply because he is average in a single aspect of the stat when he has the points/rolls to get 18 and the character has the equivalent of 20 in <em>four</em> other aspects is irrational.<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>I NEVER SAID HE HAD TO CHANGE HIS CHARACTER! I said IF he wanted a PLAIN looking person he failed. AVERAGE stat in 3.5 is 10. A common person on the street would have 10 or below in their stats. This is WHY the players are called Adventurers. It is because of the HIGHER then AVERAGE stats that they get at Starting level.<br/><br/>If the stat was to be broken down into 5 separate things the way you claim then the sheet would be broken down and have 5 separate places for you to put those different stats. Take a look at the 2nd edition sheet there were places on them to break down your stats using skills and powers. Unfortunately this is 3.5 now isn't it?