<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=50145.msg2364380#msg2364380">Quote from: Maleficent on 21-10-2009, 19:41:18</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Ok I quit, I'm pulling Phelycia. I'm a sanctioned judge for wizards and ripping apart the rules like that isn't very fun. I enjoy playing structured games in a system where the rules are written out. Not having them page 198'ed (white wolf vtm core book if you must know) in any system. It means people don't know how to make their damn characters and can't go by the guidelines given to make a level 1 character. If they wanted more then they should of asked for a higher level campaign. They are rules for a reason, what a novel thought huh? <br/><br/>And I didn't have a shit fit about anything, I stated if you wanted plane then you failed because charisma goes for many things which INCLUDES appearance. An 18 charisma is no bum on the street, and just because he's got a silver tongue doesn't mean he also has a good looking face, it doesn't mean his appearance would increase giving him MORE of an appearance it MEANS on top of having his silver tongue he's also got a model's face. THAT is what I meant.<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Pulling your character over something so petty<em>is</em>having a shit fit.  I suggest you take a deep breath, take a step back, and calm down.  Preferably before reading the rest of my post, since I'm not the best person to read when you're put off.<br/><br/>Now then, let's say Charisma does indeed, explicitly, undeniably, irrefutably represent force of personality, persuasiveness, personal magnetism, ability to lead, and physical appearance.  That does<em>not</em>require that everyone is equally apt in all these areas.  This does not mean that one with above average ability to lead must, by necessity, have above average looks.<br/><br/>Let us say Leon has a physical appearance equivalent to a Cha 10 human.  Now, let us say he has a force of personality, persuasiveness, personal magnetism, and ability to lead equivalent to a Cha 20 human.  What is the most accurate charisma score to represent Leon?  The average.  (10+20+20+20+20)/5=18.<br/><br/>Also, mind that the stats are an abstraction.  An extreme abstraction.  Holding to them too closely cheapens the game and writes out perfectly valid character concepts.  Leon is a good and valid character (I hope).  It is a perfectly acceptable character type to have an average-looking con man with spectacular people skills, and the best way to represent those spectacular people skills is a strong charisma score.  It allows him to do what his character is meant to do in the manner he was meant to do it.  To require that Leon have 10 Cha simply because he is average in a single aspect of the stat when he has the points/rolls to get 18 and the character has the equivalent of 20 in<em>four</em>other aspects is irrational.