<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=50216.msg2364338#msg2364338">Quote from: Katina Tarask on 21-10-2009, 19:31:03</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I'm aware.  I've just been on in short bursts, without the time I'd like to make my post.But a Wizard is not a Fighter; you pretty much need to be a caster to get the kinds of boosts it takes to get an armor class that matters, though oftentimes they have better defenses.  An AC of 51 is getting close to a Fighter fully invested in armor class.  Wanna go much farther, and you pretty much have to be a mage.  I'm guessing this Wizard had five levels of Abjurant Champion and applied its benefits to multiple buffs?<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Actually no the wizard didn't have any of that, he was barbarian 1, wizard 4, fighter 2, blade singer 5, spell sword 1. His base attack bonus was an 11 which is 2 off of being a straight fighter. So yes he was a fighter and it does count. He had fighter levels on him and he stood up in front of everyone else. He was able to get a 70+ AC at level 13. You can do A LOT with a fighter IF you're willing to ACTUALLY read the rules.