<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=188048.msg9090325#msg9090325">Quote from: mia h on 22-10-2013, 12:35:27</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">This is your suggestion so you don't have to accede to anything, if it was entirely your choice where would you put the points? Then idiots like me are free to come along and say "I wouldn't do that because...." and then we work out something that everyone can sort of get behind.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Oh, I thought we were both haggling over a chalk board, giving and taking points until we finally reached a consensus. Only for RubySlippers, Chaeronea and RedEve to hop in later and rub everything out, saying "It's all wrong!"<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Looking at what we can buy with wealth; The equivalent of the security force can be bought for 2 pts in power so the extra expense seems like a nonstarter. Marketplace,Chapel,Extra Gardens. I think it should be possible to 'construct' all of those on the ship given the right circumstances and organization.  I don't think we could make an artisan later, so they are might be now or never purchases. <br/>Also looking at Steward v Marketplace, just pulling numbers out of the air, say there is a 20% chance of wealth decreasing, 60% chance of it staying the same and 20% of it increasing.<br/>With the marketplace the odds stay the same but if we get an increase it's bigger but with Steward if it moves from 20%/60%/20% to 15%/60%/25% then in the long run I think we're better off with the Steward.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Ugh, maths!<br/><br/>Sounds reasonable though.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">And playing devil's advocate for a second, if we're going to be totally reliant on the military for defence wouldn't expect us to reciprocate by filling all of their support needs? Which would mean cranking support up to 40 to cover all the basics  (food,fuel &amp; mining).<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>I disagree, as civilians it's our fleet's job to house the families, government and friends of those stationed with the military, it's their job to protect these "assets". At best, if we manage to accumulate lots of resources through Wealth, I think we can provide them with some donation although they seem to be far more sustainable than our fleet at the moment.<br/><br/>Besides, if we buy an Agricultural Ship or Mining Ship, we're fulfilling our Support or Wealth needs, not theirs. To support them we would have to send those ships over to them, thus subtracting the Support or Wealth from our own fleet, when they're already doing a lot better than us.<br/><br/>To elaborate, if we pumped our Support up to 40, this would mean absolutely nothing for the military fleet. It would mean our fleet has a population that is extremely supportive of the government but the military fleet's Support will remain the same. Or at least that's how I currently understand it.