<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=265764.msg13193479#msg13193479">Quote from: Melendrith on 12-05-2017, 02:38:32</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Different editions, different strokes. I personally prefer games where players arent ever useless, just more or less effective.<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>You can always go and beat on it with a stick.  My wizard last week in a 5E game was out of spells so I kept trying to grapple and pin the demon "adds" to make it easier on everyone else.<br/><br/>Be creative!