<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=210470.msg10392667#msg10392667">Quote from: Autocad on 18-08-2014, 17:25:44</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Well, considering that 18 goblins, even if they are all CR 1/3 warriors, works out to encounter level 5, while the party of 9 ECL 1 and 1 ECL 2 characters has party level 2.9, we're basically going up against a boss-level fight that is more than 2 levels over our heads compared to your typical ECL = average party level encounter.<br/><br/>Or at least, that's what the encounter calculator (http://www.d20srd.org/extras/d20encountercalculator/) tells me.<br/><br/>That's before you factor in the goblins' advantage of attacking from ambush too, which could add +1 to the encounter level. <br/><br/>And these goblins? Masterwork gear? Longbows? Feats swapped to give them point blank shot? The ability to use aid another on ranged attacks? They're more like level 1 fighters than level 1 warriors, so probably CR 1/2 each. Which makes 18 of them encounter level 6, plus the ambush that would be encounter level 7, compared to party level 2.9 I can only conclude that Zaer is trying to kill us all. <br/><br/>Which he is succeeding at, not surprisingly at all.  :P<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Actually....I calculated the encounter wrong  :-\ . I thought 18 goblins was equal to your party ECL, but I counted it like this;<br/><br/>CR 2 char (highest) forms ECL 2 and + 1 ECL per char after 4th char. So counted party ECL to be 8.<br/><br/>Goblins I went with that CR 1/3 filled up to ECL 6 meaning = 18 goblins, or masterwork weapons + aid another for ECL 7.<br/><br/>So my bad.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=210470.msg10392698#msg10392698">Quote from: Bibliophilia on 18-08-2014, 17:37:17</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I understand that Zaer might have been concerned about making the encounter too easy, since it <em>is</em> a large party.  But, I think it would have been better to toss a soft ball at us first, and then use that to gauge how difficult to make subsequent combat encounters.  Especially since one of our party is effectively rendered useless for this encounter, what with being tied up over a death trap.<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Also it did not help I miss calculated the ECL as I mentioned in Autocad's quote reply. Horrendously miss calculated. I was never good at ECL calculating, I learned calculate it based on party's performance and I know by instinct already my RL group's potential enough to know what throw at them but online with new and very large party I overestimated horrendously.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=210470.msg10393739#msg10393739">Quote from: Bibliophilia on 18-08-2014, 22:43:51</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Zaer, I haven't spent all of my gold, would it be alright for me to spend it now, since I'm not actually part of the scene, yet?  Becky's going to be pretty scroll heavy, since bards don't get any spells until second level and even then, they kinda suck.<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Yeah, feel free spend any gold on scrolls as you wish. Your not yet into encounter yet.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=210470.msg10392757#msg10392757">Quote from: Kimmy on 18-08-2014, 17:59:04</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Does anyone know what kind of horses the farm had? Because that ought to be important <del>ride</del> right now...<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>1 heavy warhorse (middle age so -1 to all physical stats and +1 to mental stats expect Int), 2 normal heavy horses (not war trained). The middle aged warhorse is pulling the cart.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=210470.msg10393394#msg10393394">Quote from: Snake on 18-08-2014, 21:25:03</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Yeah such such an encounter right off the bat? We should've found more clues to what happened THEN got jumped. But I doubt that goblins could "carry us off" and will probably just rape the party where they fell.<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Sorry (now third time) for miss calculating the ECL! I know it's GM basics but I usually 'swing' by feel what party can handle. In my RL group there has been long time only 3 players and they are such over achieving optimizers (each and every one). I threw them in middle of village of crocodile lycantrophes in full moon in level 5 and they survived it (even if water tided up to point tavern first floor was flooded). So rough start shortly said to get feel what's okay and what's not (and I need damn learn calculate party ECL and foes ECL as well).<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=210470.msg10393419#msg10393419">Quote from: Snake on 18-08-2014, 21:30:44</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">An encouter shouldnt' equal CR. I think RAW suggests it be limited by what we can handle as individuals given we have no real synergetic abilities just yet.  <br/><br/>*annoyed the DM pulled a "super ambush" on us like this*<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Well encounter can equal party ECL if done right but as said I made mistake. Also ambush was meant to be introduction to one PC and considering most party neglected any spot/listen checks anyway and nobody volunteered to work as 'scout' either (just stick on formation) then you did not get advance warning about damsel in distress hanging from a rope (as that part of road curves so you cannot see her from long distance anyway).<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=210470.msg10393486#msg10393486">Quote from: Snake on 18-08-2014, 21:45:44</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Yep.  we should've had something we can focus-fire on and have a chance.  But this is just total bullshit. :p<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>I did consider throw a single monster instead multiple but I feared in party of +10 people you have dominance in action economy vs single strong foe and thus result foe defeated before anyone else got to go at it. Unless I give it so monstrous DR or fast healing it ignores most damage done. But with my ECL calculating it would had been equally worse as using bunch of goblins.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=210470.msg10393731#msg10393731">Quote from: Snake on 18-08-2014, 22:41:55</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">They probably don't have that great of stamina for pussy pounding anyway. They'll blow their loads and probably go take a nap. :p<br/><br/>AT LEAST THEY BETTER *glares at Zaer*<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Yeah, they go take a nap after their fun is done.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=210470.msg10393466#msg10393466">Quote from: Chulanowa on 18-08-2014, 21:40:49</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">well, in that case, better a troll or something than a tribe of goblins. Action economy is the killer here. Thirty kobold toddlers could kill a first-level party because of it, and it's why first-level commoners fear housecats!<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Ok, so in future not include number of foes which have more than double of your party action economy (max 1.5 action economy and preferably less than that). *writes note*<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=210470.msg10393580#msg10393580">Quote from: Crimson on 18-08-2014, 22:04:53</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Oh noes! I might loss my unspent gold! <br/>Oh. Do we have to worry about getting pregnant?<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>You get gear/gold back once rape scene is over (I am not that cruel). However getting pregnant is potential problem but with goblins no risk really as there is no 'half-goblins'.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=210470.msg10393582#msg10393582">Quote from: Chulanowa on 18-08-2014, 22:05:05</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Well, in all fairness, they ARE goblins. It'll be like flicking a Q-tip down a hallway.<br/><br/>*Peers at some of our characters*<br/><br/>...Or for some of us, an eight-lane interstate...<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>There is trait which allows male count one size bigger than they are in that department :P. Also idea that goblin tribes shaman does wonky ritual which allows goblins 'grow' a bit bigger by using massage oil made from bee hive sting venom.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=210470.msg10393623#msg10393623">Quote from: Kimmy on 18-08-2014, 22:13:56</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I'm a little annoyed we didn't have a chance to see the ambush from some distance away so we could devise a plan. It's not like an elf in a tree isn't exactly obvious. And I think the <del>squabbling</del> overly loud planning involved would of been rather fun. But the GM clearly seems to think they know what their doing... *cross your fingers or else the next encounter might be a group of fireproofed trolls...* Being overpowered and losing is fun - though this does seem a little one sided. Especially for level one... The mistake was in thinking some characters were combat effective I believe. Still... I have a bad feeling we'll slaughter them all - after the bad end...<br/><br/>On the plus side if I die, I'm coming back as a <div class="spoiler_container"><div class="spoiler_header" onclick="hideSecond (this);" role="button">Strix</div><div class="spoiler_body">(https://alishamcostanzo.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/gnwfk6c-jpgg.jpeg)</div></div><br/><br/>@Zaer: I would like to know if we all benefit from being able to aid another on ranged attacks? Since it's not supposed to work on ranged attacks. (Though I imagine if you coached someone as they aimed it really should work). It might be useful to remember, especially for those of us without ranged weapons... *whistles* We'll at least be able to do something whilst everyone else employs their bows &amp; what not. <br/><br/><div class="spoiler_container"><div class="spoiler_header" onclick="hideSecond (this);" role="button">SRD Aid Another</div><div class="spoiler_body">Aid Another (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/specialAttacks.htm) <br/>"In melee combat, you can help a friend attack or defend by distracting or interfering with an opponent." ... "You can also use this standard action to help a friend in other ways, such as when he is affected by a spell, or to assist another character’s skill check."</div></div></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Well, I am learning and I did mistake so sorry for 'sucky first encounter'. But I allow you cruelly butcher all the goblins from inside their den while they sleep (plus the guard who is supposed guard you has not too great spot/listen mods). Also give you clue about your case with acolytes (as these same goblins ambushed them). Also there is reason why they got masterwork gear.<br/><br/>Also side note they use<em>normal</em>stat array, I only changed with goblins their default gear and their feat. Nothing else. That stryx though is pretty hot :).<br/><br/>Oh! I always assumed aid another can be used on ranged attacks! It has been years since I looked DMG manual thoroughly rule check stuff (as I said, I 'swing' by gut in RL as GM and some stuff on our table is apparently house ruled stuff). But in short answer yes, anything what my foes do on you are allowed to be employed by players as well. I just did not realize I should mention it as house rule that you can do aid another roll with ranged attacks as well (it makes sense that if several archers launch arrows together they can give aid another by firing arrows to distract foe so that one or two arrows have actual chance to hit).<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=210470.msg10394121#msg10394121">Quote from: ExisD on 19-08-2014, 00:15:26</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Our degree of optimization is also all over the place, seriously just look at the attack/damage and AC/hp spread we have, which can't be making things easy on Zaer.<br/><br/>Anyway, all I really want magic item wise is piercings of mage armor, or a dress if those are unavailable. <br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Aye, the degree of optimization varies. One party member gets +6 to all damage from any source (even caltrops do flat 7 HP dmg on her and she's knocked out just by that, she got +31pts dmg from all arrows which hit her). Jay gets +1d6 extra damage from any steel weapons (meaning most armed foes).<br/><br/>Overall I miss calculated ECL and got too many lucky hits. You get full XP if your party wins encounter (even if it means all rests on Lilith and her crazy AC), half if it's party wipe and bad ending. Although considering my mistake with ECL calculation I give full XP either way (as it was my mistake, sorry everyone  :'( ).<br/><br/>Anyways if Snake does not want anyway roleplay his rape scene with Syra I can place it on fade to black in his part and perhaps make short side note Syra being there as well. While those who actually dig the event I focus on them more. I would also open separated thread called 'bad endings' where they are roleplayed out where as in main thread we can start already play the 'after math' of bad ending and thus proceed on escaping part.