<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=199515.msg9760250#msg9760250">Quote from: Riveda on 24-03-2014, 22:35:59</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">It's exactly page 181 that I'm citing.<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>And here's the thing from a couple paragraphs later, when possible improvements are listed.<br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">get a gang (detail) and leadership<br/>Gangs and leadership are in the hardholder’s playbook, page 58, in the character moves chapter, page 226, and in the crap chapter, page 249. <strong>Use the rules for creating a new gang.</strong></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>I read that to mean that he can get a new gang just like a hardholder, and it would be like a starting gang. If you read it differently, that's fine by me. I'm not a side in this discussion, nor do I wish to be.<br/><br/>BTW, I just realised we're obviously all interested in indie games at least enough to know who Vincent Baker is. So I'm now curious and would like to ask you about something.<br/><br/>How many of us are also backingthe  Circle of Hands KS by Ron Edwards ;D?<br/>https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/847190685/circle-of-hands/<br/>Yes, I'm a backer, of course. I'm really glad the KS is successful, too, since Ron Edwards makes great games IME.