Didn't see page 8 of this before I posted, Ahh well no biggie. I'm kind of against rolling social skills against players myself but was under the impression you were okay with it since Zaer said he'd discussed it with you over pm earlier in this thread.<br/><br/>And seriously, at this rate Seren may end up snapping even before he gets these damn manacles and fetters off. As it is just don't wind up alone with him where the others aren't likely to stop by anytime soon, he's no illusions of taking you all on by himself.