<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=272442.msg13403885#msg13403885">Quote from: Sain on 06-08-2017, 22:54:17</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Just a gut feeling that he's a cheat if he cleans them up :P</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Well that's the thing; Talan has been doing this for over 60 years. He knows how to avoid suspicion; lose a few hands, call a few bluffs incorrectly, but always make sure that at the end of it, you come out ahead. Don't win every single hand, because then people will suspect you. :P<br/><br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=272442.msg13403885#msg13403885">Quote from: Sain on 06-08-2017, 22:54:17</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">But no, if you really want his card cheating to be a secret I'm fine with that. Although, depending on how he found out about theirs it might be that Talan told them his to make Laica calm down? After all, collaborating with outsiders might be a bit criminal after the last war so she and Calitorn would be really worried about anyone who knew their secret potentially just telling on them and getting them killed.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Eeeeh. He doesn't really care to reveal his secrets just for her peace of mind. He'd say something like "But we all have dirt laundry, not my business airing it," or something like that and if that wasn't good enough for her...tough. He doesn't know her, why should he owe her anything? :P<br/><br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=272442.msg13403885#msg13403885">Quote from: Sain on 06-08-2017, 22:54:17</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Wouldn't it be somewhat challenging to hit the arcane check to not only know that the mark is a summoner's mark, but to know that summoner always has it on their forehead instead of some other location though?</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Eeeeh, depends. For a non-magic class, yes. But considering that Summoners use Arcane Magic, and Talan was trained as a Magus - who also uses Arcane Magic - you'd expect that there would be some overlap. So he's got a better chance of knowing it than some random Fighter. No?<br/><br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=272442.msg13403885#msg13403885">Quote from: Sain on 06-08-2017, 22:54:17</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Even with the circumstance bonus though it's a bit tough since Laica is always assisting with the lie and bumping it up to +16 vs his circumstance modified sense motive of +14. They're actually really good at pulling the ruse off ;D<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Actually, with that allocation, Talan's SM would be +16. I accidentally added Bracers of Armour when they'd be useless, so I reallocated funding. One thing I bought was a Belt of Sense Motive +2, because...well, it's one of his lowest (and most important) skills. :P