@PaleE: Thanks. I think I missedthe whole bloodline thingy on ghost-thingy. The "dual body" is so insane mechanically, but could turn out pretty huge drawback IC, as they are so weak. Kill one, and both die (or give one an condition and they both get it. POisonoed ethereal thingy... hmm... odd, but mechanically sound)<br/><br/>What comes to Bathorys "titan form" that was the easiest part to understand (in our TT group atleast 1 character on each grop uses polymorphs somehow). Atleast noone asked to make Changgeling on this game... *brainfreeze race for GMs*<br/><br/>What comes to undead forbidden one, he was pretty easy to figure out, as I was thinking of making an vampire from Whispers.. but descided not to, as undeads are so much cheeze on the grinder.. vampiric mistforming-superninja from hell (literally at this point) would have been way too much.. now Whispers has atleast one weakness (living body)<br/>(but I think you cheeses out the stats on Forbidden one. Taking minimum Con... like it had been undead from the start...another big cheezing on undeads.. no Con..)