<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=244671.msg12161486#msg12161486">Quote from: Orange Marmalade on 17-03-2016, 20:55:56</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">to be fair, that's one of the major problems with White Wolf's systems. Botches happen WAY too often, even to 'experts'.<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>That's true although in Scion it's actually easier to gain protection from botches -- if only because even one point in an Epic Attribute gives you one automatic successes, i.e. you can never botch a roll using that Attribute.