btw IllLust ya do know that taken con damages reducing hps ...for each con take a target looses HP equal to their level or Hitdice and then for each 2 con lost they loose any con bonus they had... I learned this the hard way not long back!!<br/><br/>so say the demon had 20 die... 4 con would take away 80 hp plus another 40 from looseing any con bonus it may have had for 120 damage...done by 4 lvl 1 striges...now ya know why they were summoned  O:) O:) >:)<br/><br/>phaia