OK, boy and girls, the ST is here and she doesn't like what she sees.<br/>Let's start from the top.<br/>I love social combat. It is a very useful thing, but it is not to be used lightly.<strong>It is a hostile reaction and you will bear the consequences of that.</strong>I don't forbid using social combat within the group, because there will be times it will come to this. Lets say for instance that it comes to this that you have to attack Halta. Bast will be in her full right to use all means necessary to stop that from happening. What I'm saying is - if things come to be so important to your PC and are most dear to him/her it will be understandable and OOC we will all accept it. But if you use this to make the smallest of decisions it's just absurd! And as this shows - totally useless.<br/>Second, as I mentioned using social charms is a hostile act. There is a reason to have Join debate. The same reason there is a Join battle. In one tick many things can happen, so please have in mind that next time someone ignores that there will be consequences. This time, because it was a first I'll let it past. But it is not fair to the others and I won't allow it in my game.<br/><br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=35227.msg1832494#msg1832494">Quote from: Corinthi on 27-04-2009, 03:17:14</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Seeing as this is my first game of exalted, and I don't understand social combat, I'm annoyed it's being forced down our throat. I was hoping we could be friendly about it, but since that's not an option, so be it.<br/><br/>Fisher's going to spend his Willpower to resist because offer a shipment of liberated slaves to the Lintha is both abhorrent and foolish to him. And, if he can't convince people to go to Seahome, he dies, so he'll have to leave the party.<br/><br/>What does this mean, mechanically? 'Attempting to use linguistics instead of appearance.' <br/><br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>I hope this won't led you to hate the system, seeing as this is your first time playing it. social combat is actually very interesting and helpful as you will realise.<br/>Well if I let him use linguistics that gives him two more dice to add to his pool. But I won't! Linguistics is used instead of appearance<strong>only</strong>when you are trying to influence someone trough a written statement. The person has to<strong>read</strong>it to be influenced.<br/><br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=35227.msg1832515#msg1832515">Quote from: The Great Triangle on 27-04-2009, 03:27:25</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Parry MDV: Highest of Manipulation, Wits, or Charisma + Highest of Presence, Investigation, and Integrity divided by two.<br/><br/>Dodge MDV: Willpower + Integrity + Essence divided by 2.<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>You forget there is a bonus from appearance. In Exalted the prettier you are the better you defend from social attacks. Meaning if your character has more appearance that his you get a bonus.<br/>Something that was missing here, but next time it will be present is the Join debate roll - Wits + Awareness.<br/><br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=35227.msg1832564#msg1832564">Quote from: Asku on 27-04-2009, 03:41:47</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Nobody was arguing...it's Sunday and so far everyone has agreed to get the letter of privateering.  That's one day after the first post started.  The only argument I've seen was in OOC about using social combat rules which nobody has done until you posted.  Honestly though, I'm not arguing the subject. If this went on for a bit or was getting intense, I can understand someone calling for social combat.  That isn't the case here.  If this is the path of the game, then I am withdrawing.<br/><br/><br/>I can waste everyone's time by saying I'll stay only to watch my posts dwindle into nothing or I can simply put it up front.  I have no hard feelings to anyone either way.  I just don't feel like cranking out the books for every little line or word.<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Don't mace quick decisions  ;)<br/><br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=35227.msg1832658#msg1832658">Quote from: Corinthi on 27-04-2009, 04:04:42</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Blaze, if my post requires rolls, I trust you to adjudicate fairly. I've a Charisma and Performance of 6, no ways to spend essence on the roll, and I'm really not interested in trying to force people to spend willpower.<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>I'll give an example with Dream Shadow, so you will have an idea how things work.<br/>His defence is 5, but we add +1 from appearance. And now there is a trick he can use. If he make it seem like it is in argument with his motivation he gets another bonus of +3 (if it is in contradiction with one of his intimacies he gets +1 but the two bonuses do not add up together - you take the biggest if there are tow). An finally if I decide he gets a one or two dice stunt. That way he gets a defence of 9 plus any successes from stunts. I hope I made it clear for all that were not familiar with social combat in details. I hope this makes it clearer to everyone that you actually have a Chance to defend yourselves even if your character is not a socail one.<br/><br/><br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=35227.msg1833816#msg1833816">Quote from: The Great Triangle on 27-04-2009, 14:31:03</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote"><br/>Besides, unless the ST is using stunt rules other than those in the book, I clearly made a +2 stunt by putting a knife into the map and standing on the table, thus interacting with the environment.  <br/><br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>I think I made the issue with the stunts clear (red the firs post in this tread). i can accept such a stunt, but the others have some stunts too.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=35227.msg1833846#msg1833846">Quote from: The Great Triangle on 27-04-2009, 14:51:22</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote"><br/>I might be a little out of line though, since I'm used to playing exalted irl, where social combat between PCs is considered the norm in every group I've played in.  (And very few groups had a problem with unnatural mental influence being used either)<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>I consider social combat between PCs normal as well. But I don't approve it being used in such a way and when there is no reason.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=35227.msg1833850#msg1833850">Quote from: Rhapsody on 27-04-2009, 14:52:14</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote"><br/>I honestly would have been more accepting of "It's in character for him to try and dominate the conversation and get people to go to his way of thinking" than "I wanted to speed up the plot". <br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/><br/>As would have I. but in this case it is the opposite. You go against your intimacies (that is a penalty) and  you have no firm motivation. The "I wanted to speed up the plot" doesn't apply either in this case. To be honest you actually slowed the process insted of speeding it. A social combat usually does that.<br/><br/><br/>So, let me make my self clear - I don't want to see something like this again. I'm playing for the fun of it, not to lead endless fights amongst my players or to have such tense feelings in the OOC. And I hope you play in the same fashion and share that opinion. We all make difference between Creation and real life. No one will be mad or frustrated if in IC your character acts to deffend his/hers intimacies or motivation. It is understandable. But if you can't make a decision without the use of Essences I'll have to reconsider splitting you up or another form of action.<br/>