<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=215898.msg10625641#msg10625641">Quote from: SmilingFox on 25-10-2014, 00:24:24</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Ah... What? You lose dex to ac when grappled. Also, I'd like to call bs on retaining shield ac when grappled, but it looks like you're right. I should have gone for nonlethal to keep the +4 attack bonus I guess.<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Against opponents I'm not grappled with. There seems to be no difference about who started the grapple, it's just I'm Flat Footed against everyone I'm not grappled with.<br/><br/>If you want to house rule the keep Shield bonus while grappled out, that's fine-I'll just stick armor spikes on my breastplate. Also, my post is up, so I think the Beguiler is next.<br/><br/>EDIT: Nevermind, Armor Spikes don't do anything to someone grappling me. Damnit, I was hoping armor spikes were just "deal this much damage to any asshole who grapples you". I'll find something, though.