What is the penalty for using a trained skill untrained? Can you?<br/><br/>If so, the base roll is...2... who hoo! A natural 1!!! Lydia knows, she just knows without a doubt that the bulls head is the signet of a beer maker in a plain called earth and that the bull's head is suppose to be blue with little orange eyes and if you say it's name, a giant bull charges through the room and kills you! Yes! Yes! Yes!!!<br/><br/>lol