<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=35227.msg1833816#msg1833816">Quote from: The Great Triangle on 27-04-2009, 14:31:03</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Nobody accepts my actions, so I humbly request that the ST either make a ruling on them or kick me out of the game.  I should point out that I'm only trying to speed up the plot, and that my character is willing to compromise and be influenced himself, though I don't get at all why everybody says they can just leave the council of war to avoid being socially attacked.  (doesn't that mean they sacrifice their vote?)<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>No, everybody accepted it. They just resisted, and my character is optimized to have a high MDV ;D!<br/>Besides, you botched the Join debate roll - it puts you way behind on the wheel. I might have declared my vote and gone out the door without any problems. These are long ticks, after all.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=35227.msg1833816#msg1833816">Quote from: The Great Triangle on 27-04-2009, 14:31:03</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Besides, unless the ST is using stunt rules other than those in the book, I clearly made a +2 stunt by putting a knife into the map and standing on the table, thus interacting with the environment.  <br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Rules in the book say the GM says how much a stunt is worth, and whether it couns as a stunt at all. Besides, these are the rules for stunting are such for physical combat, they might differ for Social Combat.<br/>If we go by your explanation, I declare a 3-die stunt for interacting with the environment, referring to my Motivation by rejecting a bad plan for it and keeping to my dominant Virtues ;).<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=35227.msg1833816#msg1833816">Quote from: The Great Triangle on 27-04-2009, 14:31:03</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I don't think that mechanically social combat is a very hostile action, except for the fact that it uses the mechanics.  The effects of it are barely a slap on the wrist, but it helps portray the mechanical effect of intimacies and motivations, as well as showing the ability of demagogue characters to influence plan making.<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>I think it is, especially when using Charms. Charms are the weapons that toppled the Primordials. And in my Exalted games, I've killed more people with Social combat than with Physical Combat.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=35227.msg1833846#msg1833846">Quote from: The Great Triangle on 27-04-2009, 14:51:22</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Okay, that's fairly true.  Willpower does recover at a rate of rolled conviction per day though, so unless you have terminally poor willpower, social combat isn't likely to do more than keep you from channeling your virtues every action.<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Going by your logic, since you do have a perfect defence, you wouldn't mind me attacking you in my warform? You're going to regenerate the Essence spent on each attack in less than an hour...<br/>And no, it's not just channelling, but Asku covered that already.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=35227.msg1833846#msg1833846">Quote from: The Great Triangle on 27-04-2009, 14:51:22</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I might be a little out of line though, since I'm used to playing exalted irl, where social combat between PCs is considered the norm in every group I've played in.  (And very few groups had a problem with unnatural mental influence being used either)<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>I'm used to playing Exalted IRL in a group where using Charms for social attacks is considered a hostile action. Of course, it might not be obvious you are doing this, but if it becomes clear, physical combat is not off the map. UMI is usually obvious, and is the analogue of you using mindwashing techniques. Also, for Ihorangi, it always is obvious, when used on him. Expect to Join Battle the first time you use it on him.<br/>No, your character doesn't know why, probably even Mariula doesn't.<br/><br/>Sorry if that comes off as attacking you. I'm just trying to explain why I believe you had a bad idea. Judging by their actions, everybody seems to agree it was. Again, sorry, I'm really not attacking you, but I don't know a better way to point it out.<br/>And I'm not using charms in any case :P!