<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=283008.msg13960814#msg13960814">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 01-03-2018, 04:13:37</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I avoid prepared casters at super high levels for exactly that reason.<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>It's a little easier that Echidna's children,  cleric in this case,  are limited to only core spells + spell compendium.  I just figured out a simplistic system with word pad.<br/><br/>Anyway,  not this "batch" of children,  but eventually I want make some homebrew advanced versions of really cool lower level outsiders by leveling them in underrepresented systems.<br/><br/>The one I have the go ahead for is the Radiant Idol False God who has crusader levels.  Radiant idol doesn't have any higher end versions like one might consider the Balor to the Glabrazu,  or Kelvezu to thr Babu.  Though the Kelvezu itsels lags a bit at this point.<br/><br/>Warlock,  Scout,  Shugenja,  Warmage,  Duskblade,  Tome of Battle,  Binder,  Shadowcaster, Factotem,  Spirit Shaman,  Hexblade.<br/><br/>Some are more egregious than others.  High end druid magic using monsters of any type are nearly unheard of.  Despite being one of the more popular alternate classes there are no Warlock style monsters that I know of. The Tome of battle adds one of the best systems of all but has a very short list of things that use it.<br/><br/>So what are some low and mid grade outsiders/extraplanars that feel like they should have higher end offshots but don't?   I feel it's a fun conversation .