<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=283008.msg13996339#msg13996339">Quote from: Sain on 13-03-2018, 10:30:43</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">If we're gonna use Diplomacy as written again might be good idea to somehow account for the target CR or their own diplomacy skill or wisdom somehow or we'll have 20+ CR enemies bending knee at couple of sentences later too (or make it opposed roll rather than DC).<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Well depends on how you do it but under  many extreme situations DM's rule Diplomacy unable to be attempted. The angelic host is beaten and knows there is no happy ending for them so it felt like a diplomacy check was justified.<br/><br/>I am not against revamping the rules to make it an opposed thing so that stronger seductive beings are much harder to cajole than weak and brutish ones.  I would suggest using the targets own social stats as part of the DC determination/opposed check. Malcanthat and Baphomet are around the same CR but the former seems like they would be much more difficult to get the upper hand in negotiation with than the latter.  Similar situation with even thinks like a Rakshasa and Fire Giant<br/><br/>So yes I'm all for it, but without such a system<em>not </em>already in play and angelic morale dropping fast I see no reason to not resolve Echidna's action as is for expediency sake. I considered just using Dictum but thought talking them into existential crisis was more fun.<br/><br/>Inconsequential Nitpick: Sain your wording took me a moment to grasp. I couldn't tell if you were implying diplomacy is optional, or if you were saying making a different system for CR based diplomacy is using it "as written".<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=283008.msg13996355#msg13996355">Quote from: Kunoichi on 13-03-2018, 10:42:57</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">There's also the option of picking up the Metalline (http://www.realmshelps.net/magic/weapon/Metalline) weapon enhancement.  It's a +2 special weapon property that lets you change the weapon's composition between adamantine, alchemical silver, cold iron and steel at any time as a standard action.  I'd also suggest Kaorti resin to improve the weapon's crit multiplier to a x4 while keeping its existing crit range, but that seems like it might be a bit hard to justify from a backstory perspective.<br/><br/>And also looking it up, I'm not entirely sure how to calculate the cost for Kaorti resin weapons either, for that matter. ^^;<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Remember Kaorti Resin weapons require a feat tax to use. In fact they are one of the only "worth it" exotic weapon proficiency in a sea of "why would I take a feat for THAT" EWPs. If you need a Kaorti Resin weapon thats already exotic you need two feats.  So there is no need to make the cost more then a few thousand.  Adamantine is the most expensive SRD material,  Kaorti resin might be worth 50%-100% more and that would make it about 4k for one.  That gives it a very exotic price without breaking the bank for an item where price isn't the actual cost.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=283008.msg13996366#msg13996366">Quote from: Sain on 13-03-2018, 10:54:52</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">For castle Ungrath upgrade I said +4 AC to friendlies aside from herself and fast healing 5 while they are within the castle. For castle itself the fast healing also applies, but +4 hardness seems kinda small so perhaps instead give it Ungrath's AC as hardness or something (so 40 normally)? That should be quite hard.<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>I really like the +4 hardness on the castle itself since the difference between 20 hardness and 24 hardness is the difference between 0 hardness and 24 hardness when facing an adamantine mauls and trebuchet loads. If the DM's want to boost that COOL, im all for it, but +4 isnt as bad as you might think since most of us are probably getting 20 hardness walls for our rooms.<br/><br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=283008.msg13996355#msg13996355">Quote from: Kunoichi on 13-03-2018, 10:42:57</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote"><br/>Also, Pale, since I'm trying to put together a list of the full enhancements added to the castle, can I get the exact stats on the cyst summons again?  I don't think you actually said what sort of creature the 1/day greater summon is, either, for that matter. ^^;<br/><br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>The "Cloud of Darkness" is a Paeliryon. If you read it's description again you'll probably understand my own spin on the creature. A sexless being so overly sexualized it goes into full "Uncanny valley" territory and ends up being scary and even revolting.   As it already been spawned no one else can spawn it for the day, but the three lesser ones are free to use.  If you want to make one spawn you should probably feel free to narrate its actions yourself.<br/><br/><br/>"Mega Cyst:  This summons a powerful spellcaster with super long range (around 500 ft). A Paeliryon named "The Cloud of Darkness"<br/><br/>Lesser Cysts:  When you activate one of these they form and spawn your choice of: A Rukarazyll, A Marilith, 2 Erinyes, An Assassin Devil, A Logokron Devil,  3 Dao Genies, A Trumpet Archon, or A Radiant Idol.<br/><br/>- Ill get an official answer to this particular use but from what I've already discussed with the DMs you can't chose different divine spells for the Trumpet Archon. What they have in their statblock is what they have when spawned.  You CAN chose what type of god the Radiant Idol's Mock Divinity makes him. (Chose his domain). "<br/><br/><br/>Im finishing up checking to see what I want to do with Echidna's stronghold spaces. Ill need a nice big area for her<em>Phylactery Womb. </em>