<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=229541.msg11332210#msg11332210">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 08-06-2015, 02:59:07</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I OOC do not shit over you, Vholdran's words (and actions now) are his IC behavior and reaction to growing tension between Atroxica and Methu. Methu can be asshole and cocky goat but he is <em>right</em>. Methu is rude in subtle or openly manner because he can, as all others are either his equals or below him (reverence is given only to superior). Having 'respect' to fellow demon lord is luxury which other demon lord decides to give and Methu is stingy on that part (he decides when being respectful). A servant of more powerful demon lord is given reverence, where as from equal their not worth a shit (and from demon lord below you; less than shit).<br/><br/>Methu is upset because he views a inferior to him (your follower) talked to him too casual manner and mildly rude manner (to him anyways). However after the apology you continued give insults and your servants (Forbidden One and others) continued talk to him without permission. After the apology, Atroxica should had either dismissed her servants or told them shut up and just be silent and she talk to Methu directly (or others for that matter). But Atroxica IC gets upset from ridiculing or talking rudely to her servants which leads her growing hostile to person doing so.<br/><br/>So I feel this snowballed the issue and made it grow and so I offer solution by Vholdran how matter is settled; Atroxica apologies faux pas done by her servants and administers punishment on them by her own hand (and that should satisfy Methu's attitude down seeing Atroxica can control her followers and able punish them when their out of line).<br/><br/>In abyss social etiquette and expected hospitalities and rules of such are very brutal. It all depends on temperament of demon lord how much they press on said etiquette or demand for it. Vholdran for reason used term 'peasant' for good reason; if prince of demons is 'king' then demon lords are dukes, barons, marquis etc all depending on their individual power and influence. All non-demon lords are peasants under nobility.<br/><br/>The status quo is quite forced upon; a peasant from another lord's lands do not mouth off to other lord without getting punished for it. Despite said peasant has favored status with other lord and unless said lord's protection (or retribution) is not scary enough, other lord can ignore any such protection. It sounds very unfair but Abyss is far from fair.<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Well if Atroxica is stronger then Methu wouldn't it be the way of the abyss for her to do exactly what she's doing? I already pointed out Methu has no chance against Atroxica unless everyone else gets behind him. You spoke about the other lords retribution being scary enough to force respect for ones minions, that was the point I was coming from. You don't feel its a contradiction to say the strong make the rules, but then band behind a weaker lord so he can defeat the powerful enemy he made? I thought what was happening between Atroxica and Methu was between Atroxica and Methu, it's a bit of a shock that it's not.<br/><br/>I'm going to take a Klonopin and calm down then come back and see if Ive thought of anything, but this is not an acceptable solution. Gaining up on me Icly and forcing me to kotow to Methu is not acceptable. I deal with debilitating psychiatric issues and I play these games to try and have some fun and keep my head above water. This game got very unfun very quickly. Whats more I could have stopped it by simply letting lockpick know I didn't like his character being so horrible acting to mine. He's been a really reasonable guy oocly. Seriously though Zaer I can't accept those terms. Methu (as a character) has upset me (as a player) far to much to let him come out the moral victor. Many of you are even friends of mine and this whole thing seems to be "Do this IC thing that will make you OOcly hate the game from that point on". You're probably wondering why it's such a big deal and I don't just tell my cohorts to shut up and grovel for forgiveness and apologies for their rudeness. Up until now I didn't even think anyone was being out of line to Methu. I can try and explain why i can't accept that solution, but it doesn't matter. I just wont accept it. I thought everyone would be more understanding than that.<br/><br/>Really though I understand its not anyone elses problem all the shit I have to deal with on a personal level every day. That doesn't make it any easier for me though. I know when something gets out of hand in game everyone has to decide what to do to keep the game going. I really didn't think anyone would consider me such an antagonistic force here. If thats really your decision and I can't go with it I know it basically means "Then maybe this isn't the game for you Enchantress". Its a lot to take in right now.