<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=283008.msg14014216#msg14014216">Quote from: LizzieV on 20-03-2018, 22:36:36</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote"><br/>I updated my stronghold spaces to include the chamber of comfort and desecration I had in my personal notes but apparently didn't write down. If I need any input or approval it's on my character sheet section now so no thread hopping is required. I do intend to animate any dead Astral Deva and Trumpet Archons over several days when I get the chance.<br/><br/>I'd like to once again thank the several people who pointed me at different spells and such. I'm not going to change a lot when we do the revamp, just a few spells switching and a few feats along with my item to fix it since I didn't price it right, since it really pointed me in ways I hadn't considered and let me figure out different books and such to dig into.<br/><br/>I will likely use the create undead for living minions into undead ones as you suggest Pale although rather than have Anasil cast it I plan to animate dread warrior the Trumpet Archons since they could cast it for me. I figure any living minion who wants to be turned undead will have to supply the material components to me as a sort of 'prove yourself worthy' and I'll use my own animation for warriors into my damned servants for skeletons, zombies, and dread warriors.<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Oh have you made most of your rooms Morgs of Preservation? It's a room enhancement stops all things from decaying. Store bodies for later use keeping them fresh, keep your zombies from decaying further.  Even at this level animating the right bodies with animate dead can make good bruisers.  Don't forget awaken undead gives an animate dead creature back it's feats and skills. It's 7th level and you could take it as one of your SLA's as well. Making your two highest SLAs Animate Dread Warrior and Awaken Undead. That said any wizard of level 13 can scribe it from scroll and cast it for you. It has a small exp component which in our game would mean 1250 gp per casting.<br/><br/>There are a lot of good mid tier creatures that get really good as skeletons with awaken undead like the arrow daemon.  In a standard combat low level animate dead meele fodder is , at best, area denial.  Ranged animate dead though have a much better mass production value. Your best undead should have a few magic items to help them out too.  Sadly you can't animate dread warrior trumpet archons. Its humanoid only. I would be fine if the DM changes that though. It seems like the best "Go to" spell for a necromancer overlord in our game.<br/><br/>LizzyV, would you prefer to be able to dread warrior most corporeal creatures, but they have a cap on how many you can control just like animate dead 4xCL in hit dice? I would ultimately suggest the DM do that. If they were really wanting to limit you they could make it from the same HD pool of animate dead, but I wouldn't say thats needed.<br/><br/>It's obvious to me you want Anasil to have a horrible undead legion to command. Anasil, like Echidna, seems to have the primary focus of Minion master. Echidna has better flexibility for non combat situations and her strongest are probably much stronger than Anasil.  Anasil, following a usual necromancy trope, should have more meat in general that she commands. A few decent ranged weapon users are really easy to park waaaay in the back and every round a good flurry of arrows hits one of out foes (most will miss but some wont)<br/><br/><br/>Strange thing I find about Dread Warrior. their flavor text doesn't match their actual stats. ESPECIALLY in the original Monsters of Faerun entry (luckily not defunct). They describe Dread warriors as being dumb as a box of rocks. SO dumb more then simple sentence commands confuse them and (originally) they were too dump to use ranged weapons.  Okay they are that fucking dumb but they can cast spells? They can use telepathy? Psionics, combat maneuvers, martial adept things, the list goes on.  Sure the standard human with an int of 10 would go down to four which is just enough to be able to speak and function as a non animal. But what about the dread warrior bard who had an intelligence of 16 and a CHA of 20. He would be int 10 Cha 16. Thats no dumber than an average human fully able to do algebraic math and cast any bard spell.  SO why can't they understand complex commands.<br/><br/>Just a nitpick of mine.<br/><br/><br/><span class="bbc_size" style="font-size: 14pt;"><strong>Loot</strong><br/></span><br/>The Loot Echidna wants is the Planetar and the Devas she was given. The consensus has been that if you have a throne at the table you get some loot. We never said how we would do it or if certain peripherals counted as loot.  Do bodies, living or dead, have value? Do we consider the fact that the strongest thing Anasil can raise after battle probably still wants to use the expensive weapon it was carrying? Questions of think about.<br/><br/>I think the first step is to OOCly pile every commodity from battle into a pot just to know what it all is, This includes enslaved things and corpses to be animated or saved. (That doesn't mean just anyone can take them or they count as loot it's just part of the catalog process). Then  everyone just makes suggestions.  I don't think a hard system of dividing is best for us.  I think we can evaluate things on a case by case basis.  Sometimes we all might agree the big expensive item is really needed by one PC so it goes to them even though it might be valued at 1/3rd of the actual loot. As one of the most equipment independent characters of all the person who really needs to have the big super expensive item will seldom be me. I'm okay with that.<br/><br/><br/>Echidna wants her sex slaves and gold so she can play the economy. My character and her minions have a lot of ways to make and stretch money through mundane crafting and selling, to running businesses, to seduction of rich men, to magic item creation.  All those need an initial investment and some time though. Thats why I want money or something to sell for money, because then I can make more money and get my studmiffins of the apocalypse some needed things.<br/><br/>So far the<strong>Third Eye of Mind Blank</strong>stands out as a super valuable item.  It's been ruled that you can't get positive mind affecting boosts with mind-blank on.  Considering how powerful War's boosts are I sure as hell don't want it.  Anyone who has extremely good saves or immunity to divination/mind affecting is probably out too. So is there anyone who's will save is bad and doesn't think they will be around to benefit from positive mind affecting things?<br/><br/>If the answer is no we should sell it get gold and divide the gold evenly.