<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=305102.msg14875148#msg14875148">Quote from: PhantomPistoleer on 19-05-2019, 21:18:39</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">So, I think that you're addressing an issue that I've been having with character creation in general.  I think that everyone wants to fit their characters into a position, whereas everyone should be thinking about how to best accommodate the positions.  So, everyone's making characters and then putting them in a position, when they should consider making their characters AFTER they've been given a position.<br/><br/>I'm not very character-centric.  I'm more player-centric.  I didn't choose anyone because they had a good character.  Some people haven't even given me a character yet.<br/><br/>I encourage you and everyone else to be a bit less rigid about their current character concepts and be open to change race, class, background, etc., for the sake of group cohesion and kingdom-building success.<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>That is exactly what I am looking at and why I asked the difference. It would be pointless to say I want to be warden and have no modifiers on strength or Con.<br/>I am looking at what fits and I am open to a lot of ideas here.<br/><br/>Spymaster has an appeal and could be done from several classes even one that was not charisma based. example Hunter packmaster that has a several companions that are her eyes and ears as well as using other critters.<br/><br/>Witch just works well for a spymaster as well:<br/><br/>I could see a Paladan as a Warden!<br/><br/>What positions appeal to me!<br/>Spymaster -- Witch, Bard, Unc Rogue<br/>Marshal  -- Hunter, Druid<br/>Royal Assassin -- Unc Ninja, Druid<br/>High Priestess  -- Warpriest, Druid<br/><br/>Those are what I would like to try.<br/>I do not know Miroque. But I have played with Pistol [briefly] before and will go with his judgment and vote<strong>YES!! for Miroque </strong>As High PooBAH of the Broken Tree and 7 curves brook that all curve left Prince-Kingdom! [we have to name the place afterall]<br/><br/><br/>@Pistol; Are there any races that you do not want. I had actually looked at Samsaran (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/other-races/uncommon-races/arg-samsaran/)<br/><br/><div class="spoiler_container"><div class="spoiler_header" onclick="hideSecond (this);" role="button">Spoiler: Click to Show/Hide</div><div class="spoiler_body">(https://i.imgur.com/8a5LXur.jpg?1)<br/>(https://i.imgur.com/10IrdfY.jpg)<br/></div></div>