<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=328236.msg15705373#msg15705373">Quote from: PixelatedPixie on 04-01-2021, 05:40:04</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Judo is fine as far as I know (assuming it isn't third party).  Is there a reason I should say no to it?<br/><br/>Sounds good, thanks!<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Judo is, currently and as I have it applied, just a refluff of Jiujutsu with no alteration to rules.  Because Judo are Jiujutsu are different styles and Judo has more emphasis on throws/takedowns and less on locks/grappling, I could see creating a variation which exchanges one technique for another - hence 'chin na' for 'yielding force (throws).'  However, this wouldn't even have the blessing of being third party.  It would be, in truth, that most accursed of things: Homebrew.<br/><br/>Now, if the H-word wasn't enough to make you stop right there ... is there a reason to say "no?"<div class="spoiler_container"><div class="spoiler_header" onclick="hideSecond (this);" role="button"> Well... maybe, but yes, but also no, but also ...</div><div class="spoiler_body">Were I in your shoes, I'd say "don't start with anything Jiujutsu doesn't have and I'll think about it," but I also have been willing to play fast-and-loose with rules on occasion for the sake of cool stuff, as long as the cool stuff is unlikely to break balance.  If you aren't so willing to be, that's a <em>very</em> good reason to say no - and you could stop reading here.<br/><br/>Regarding that balance, well.  Giving Butterfly access to yielding force (throws) would, for the cost of 5 karma, give her an extra die for the purposes of engaging in throws and sacrifice throws (both of which are <em>very</em> Judo).  This is the equivalent of an extra rank in unarmed or agility or a +1 wireless bonus, but also also bundles most of the throwing-based MA stuff under a single style, which ... could be considered a "cheap" way of specializing.  You may prefer that Butterfly crosstrain into Aikido instead, or something similar.<br/><br/>However, again, this specialization is very fitting to Judo.  The word means <del>"easy way" (if I recall correctly)</del> "yielding way" pretty literally (having done some reading today), and shares with Aikido the idea of using your opponents force to put them in a place they didn't want to be - which is why Aikido has 'yielding force - throw,' go figure.  Additionally, we're talking about a one-die bonus that can be taken one time - the equivalent of a laser sight, not a smartgun.  Is this die sufficiently impactful to override the fit?  I'm not sure offhand, which is why I'd say "Let me think about it," but I would <em>softly lean</em> towards "no, that one die is fine" were I GM.  Which I am not, but if I leaned "that's bad juju there homie" I'd probably have just lead with that in the spoiler block.<br/><br/>If you read this far, thanks for putting up with my advocation for the Devil.  Hopefully that was a balanced, informative and honest argument.</div></div><br/>Edit: wow I missed words last night. Also, a minor, but unimportant, correction.<br/>