<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=283008.msg13927846#msg13927846">Quote from: Lockepick on 16-02-2018, 22:05:47</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">So maybe I'm looking at this the wrong way -- is our 'original' persona theoretically entirely different? Like Methu is a vampiric satyr now, but his original form could have been like... I dunno, a dwarven cleric or something? Or sure there be an obvious connection in their development? <br/><br/>I'm having trouble making the original form referential, without being "Methu Lite." <br/><br/>And is the connotation here that our current bad ass forms are WEAKER than we were originally? I'm not sure how Methu compares to Thanos/Apocalypse/etc.<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Our current forms are most definitely weaker than our characters were in life.  At the moment, we’re not even able to match most published demon lords or archdevils in a one-on-one fight (though all of us working together could probably topple the likes of Demogorgon or Asmodeus if we wanted to), but in life, our characters were challenging deities, and as Zaer said, were basically beaten by all the forces of good and multiple epic-level adventuring parties splitting them up and taking them out when they could no longer rely on one another to cover their weaknesses.<br/><br/>If you’re having trouble coming up with a good backstory, I actually do like the idea Zaer proposed before, that Methu could have been a vampire sired by the original overlord, and that said overlord was more permanently destroyed, leaving Methu to inherit his place on the team.  He could even have been created before said overlord rose to become a cosmic villain, or have been left in the dark about his sire’s true status for some reason, leading him to have been relatively uninvolved in his creator’s cosmic-level schemes.