<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=233176.msg11494071#msg11494071">Quote from: FragarachZ on 28-07-2015, 13:45:29</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Can we <em>PLEASE</em> stop casually discussing the sith in-game? I really doubt that our characters would be able to make near impossible DC lore and sense motive checks to figure out what we have seen in the movies. The public doesn't know anything about sith and to them the jedi are monks turned soldiers who attacked the legitimate government. Which would be fact unless Cass' game deviates from the movies. <br/><br/>Casually discussing the biggest five-thousand year old secret of the setting <em>in character</em> is immersion breaking to say the least.<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Just my two cents, let me say I wave to agree to disagree. First, what the public does and does not know is open to debate as is the disposition of the Jedi in the grand scheme of Star Wars, IMO. Second, the Jedi attacking the legitimate government is, in my opinion, a perspective rather than a complete fact. It is a fact only in a limited sense--- first the terms legitimate, and attack (as well as some others) would need to be defined.  Now, I freely admit my bias as a Jediphile, however as a historian in real life I would submit there could be a great deal of debate on the definitions of those terms.  Is any elected government legitimate no matter how corrupt? What if it no longer serves  the people who elected it?  I'm not saying you are wrong I'm just saying there are other viewpoints, based on your post you seem as biased against  the Jedi (and perhaps the Sith) as I am for them and that can make a difference in perspective but being aware of bias (there is no such thing as unbiased, IMO) can help us in getting closer to seeing other outlooks. You state things in such a way that it does not seem as if you are willing to entertain other viewpoints but rather as facts not open to debate. And please don't take that as a insult or a solid declaration of exactly what you are doing, that is an educated guess based on what you posted.  I can't stress enough that I value other perspectives, even if I disagree with them and I hope you do as well.<br/><br/>That said, I agree using only the view of the movies is myopic, at best, especially when speaking about an entire galaxy of trillions (or far more) sentient beings. To me that would be like watching 3 documentaries and assuming that was all there was to to the entirety of humanity. I am also dubious that an Empire that lasted less than 30 years could have squashed that much history. Now had someone started to spout detailed Sith Lore I'd agree there is a difference between mentioning the Sith and having a deep discussion about their Lore. I would have to think there would be those who bother loathed and revered both the Jedi and the Sith, just as there would be those who are indifferent. Also even though we are talking about fiction, suppression (i.e. sending Vader--who can't be everywhere btw--or the Stormtroopers in) is one of the surest ways to keep something alive rather than eradicating it. I can point to several real world examples, from early Christianity to Prohibition to name only two. Also quite frankly I believe that without the Jedi (and the Sith) I doubt Star Wars, as cool as all the other stuff in the setting is, would have grown into the phenomena it is today. I acknowledge that is highly debatable but as I said it's a belief not a hard fact.<br/><br/>Anyway, let me say that my immersion is not broken in the least by the mention of the Sith--and I am enjoying the game and the interaction so far. (Disclaimer: My two cents is worth exactly 14 cents less than you paid for it, these are my opinions and mine alone and I neither expect nor require anyone to share them. This statement was<strong>not</strong>endorsed by Major League Cricket, gas, tips, and tolls extra). :P