@victoria4: +1. Im so with you there, not only where there over double targets, everyone of them had over double HPs to lowest of PCs (the factor that is most effective. Ferocity is just that broken. It used to be "balanced" in 3.5, where you got Con mod, not full Con, which made it basicly barbarian only thingy. Staggering might be an flaw too, but in close enviroment and new charge rule(in PF) allowing staggered to attack aswell.. )<br/><br/>Sword on the ground was clear fail bail, as there is that whip user. Pick up> AoO disarm >+1 free action to Kursk and repeat until.<br/>Crystal ball was fail bait as well, targeting it with HP damage spells = more damage to group, as orcs had that ferocity (eg way more hps)<br/><br/>Freeing Paladin = fail bait as well, forcing the BBG stay in the room and BOOM us with negative channeling... 1 spell = autolose<br/><br/>Targeting the orcs 1 by one would have been the only thing that might have give us the semiresemble of change, but that would have given few AoOs to orcs, as they allways flanked every PC.<br/><br/>I would like to know after the encoutner, what coudl we have done differently. Talking was totally out from the window, before the encoutner even started.<br/><br/>Still, its not over before the orc cleric stabilizes his friends and himself.