<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=283008.msg14345588#msg14345588">Quote from: Sain on 19-08-2018, 16:23:37</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">She picked some that looked fey. I'll add in the going up and some ritual then into the last post.<br/><br/>e. Alright, there we go. <br/><br/>e2. How hard would it be to turn mortals into some kinds of aquatic demons? (Bonus points if they just turn into demons without changing alignment or becoming minions.)<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/><br/>E2: For Echidna and many other arcane casters permanently changing a mortal into a demon takes an 8th level spell slot and a standard action.  As long as the demon is the same size or the human has equal or higher int.  Piscoloth, Echinoloth, Scyllian all are possibilities as well as three actual aquatic demons in the fiend folio. The Wasrilith is fairly powerful, it is huge but has an int of 14 so would be permanent on anyoner who's int is that high already.<br/><br/>Using a magic item to replicate the spell would be easy to make/acquire, you could use it for that purpose as well as the general PAO utility when you don't want to change people to demons. . It also could be considered "equivalent" of getting an ability as powerful as an 8th level spell to be able to permanently change any medium sized humanoid into a specific aquatic demon type. So when you gain power to get a custom upgrade thats in line with getting an 8th level SLA.  Subject to GM approval of course but its really easy to know how to replicate it when approaching it like this.