<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=244671.msg12161473#msg12161473">Quote from: ererruz on 17-03-2016, 20:49:21</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Man, it's only been couple of posts and we've already had 3 botches...<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>to be fair, that's one of the major problems with White Wolf's systems. Botches happen WAY too often, even to 'experts'.