No, Muse, I never said anything about giving up. I was listing some of the problems as I saw them. There's no communication within the party, everyone is doing their own thing without communicating it and IC, no one knows what anyone else has done. In Harlo's case, he doesn't know that an attempt was made, nevermind success or failure. Just when was someone going to say, "Hey gang, lets go out and track these asses down!" or even, "Hey Harlo, we're going to a fight, want to come? Not that we actually need you as Ican kill a god on my own ." ;) If you have a few dozen undead, do you really need anything else?<br/><br/>I'm not trying to be a pain, but you just did the same thing that's part of the issue. You just made a roll without anyone even thitnking about going, and cut off the only other potential option via Harlo. The odds suck, but with all the magic, no one thinks that a non-magic idea could possibly work.  I would still of liked to give it a try just for something to do and post about. I've been quiet because there's not a lot to say.<br/><br/>I know that you want to continue the game, Buddy; I would like to as well. I'm just not sure that trying to push it along without any thought on why it's foundering isn't going to make it any more successful.<br/><br/><br/>On a side note to our illustrious GM, why would Harlo need a disguise check? He wants to be noticed and identified as asking questions that they don't want asked. He's painting a bulls eye on his back to perhaps get snatched. No one's considered a mundane tracking option, but animals are particularly good at it, even without a loocate person spell. ;)<br/><br/>