<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=126755.msg5616350#msg5616350">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 20-12-2011, 13:07:34</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">You get base creature listed skills as class skills but if your plain human I say as outsider you got at least 6-8 skills (which two are reserved for someform knowlegde skills).<br/><br/>Anyways holidays are coming and I do not start roll the game till after new year but consider epic scale of things and some people working on chars we can wait that amount of time :). Anyways below comes rule for your minions;<br/><br/>Your minions are determined by mixed rule of CR x HD. But you have choice; either dozen rank and file minions or single minion which had been created exact same way as you have been (like Studmuffin).<br/><br/><br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>I most of it makes sense but this is a bit unclear to me. Is this in addition to what we get listed below?<br/><br/>Also for the two Vampire Lords, a major ability of ours is the ability to create spawn.That was  factored in to our CR so what do we get from that?