<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=243294.msg12829712#msg12829712">Quote from: Blinkin on 09-12-2016, 01:14:05</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">This brings up the question of... does the character <em>know</em> what effects a spell has, or what spell is being cast? Unless you're doing the classic shouting your action to the world so the audience knows what a "Karate Chop!" or "Mega-charge stuper-ppendous power activate!" sort of thing, how many lay-persons would actually know what spell is being cast, or the effects therein? Stating effects and spell in OOC is helpful, but at the same time, I wouldn't know a particular martial's art move from another if my life depended upon it. or, or what one poison's effects would be over another for that matter if a thief was using a poison in combat.... unoless said thief was shouting out "Bladder control losing poison!" as an example.<br/><br/>Unless there's a tell-tell that Lydia would recognize, for example, she wouldn't know one spell effect from another unless there's n immediately visable effect like burning hands or similar effect.<br/><br/>Aside from an undead creature apparently pausing in mid step, if there was a step being taken, is there a visable effect, or would anyone but a spell caster know instinctively if it worked or not? Confusion, for example, as far as I know, has no visable effect between the spell being cast and the target actually doing something unexpected.<br/><br/>Then again, perhaps he was merely taking advantage of the spell to get in a telling strike and take it down...<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>That's what Spellcraft checks are for. Unless the spell is cast Silent and/or Stilled, it will have distinctive verbal or body movements as part of the casting process, or significant visual effects, and someone trained in magic via Spellcraft ranks will be able to identify what's happening. For martial maneuvers, the equivalent would be ranks in Knowledge (Martial).<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote"><br/>Glyph, not sure did you do it on purpose or did not read my post at all that attacking the undead after Balt has cast his halt undead spell means his spell is wasted :P. As if you attack halted undead while it's halted, the condittion ends. I understand if you move your char and ready action to attack the undead in case his spell fails (meaning Balt fails bypass SR or monster makes his will save). But attacking outright means when monster initiative comes he is not halted and Balt just wasted strong daily charged ability from his class.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>And as it happens, Ebron has precisely 0 ranks in Spellcraft. Though I admittedly didn't read Balthazar's dialogue before posting, I don't mind modifying to a move and readied action instead.