I just checked, and it's all simple + longsword + rapier + sap + short sword + shortbow + whip. So I must have goofed up back then. And no, they're too large to be used with Weapon Finesse, so your chance to hit is better with a smaller weapon, but it beats having nothing ;)<br/><br/>Nice Trieste. :) It seems NikitaFirestar is also back, and Muse sent me a semidone char a few days ago, so we got almost everyone wrapped up.