<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=283008.msg13922609#msg13922609">Quote from: Sain on 14-02-2018, 22:05:48</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Kinda want to replace the summon Ultroloth with an upgraded version of Echinoloth, but how did the monster advancement go for those? I notice many people just bumped the summoned creature HD up to 20.<br/><br/>e. Nevermind I found a way.<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=283008.msg13922933#msg13922933">Quote from: PaleEnchantress on 15-02-2018, 00:03:06</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">If you're talking about what I posted last night asking about what children Echidna might have, thats Greater Planar Binding boosted by a class feature (Malconvoker) and feat (Infernal Bargainer). The summon we get from being Fiend Lords is based on CR alone. <br/><br/>If you want a hardcore Aquatic Creature see if Kunoichi will let you use a half fiend Kraken. I'm reevaluating my summon SU right now. I went with Assassin devil which is okayish but I feel there must be something else more fitting. I was thinking The Black Beast of Bedlam but I noticed it's chaotic so i'll find something else. <br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Note that your summons merely need to share a subtype with you, rather than specifically being a demon/devil/yugoloth.  An Archfiend with the Fire subtype could summon Fire Elementals, for example.