She nodded.  "I'm familiar with it.  Both times, massive losses made the Realm pull back, even though every other city was waiting for Lookshy to topple.  It's SAID they had some powerful sorcerers among their ranks, or some such nonsense.  Somehow, though, I don't think that's the truth."  She looked over at Mana.  "I think there's more to it than that," she finished in a softer tone of voice.