<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=214960.msg10573171#msg10573171">Quote from: Vekseid on October 07, 2014, 09:43:00 am</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Studying it a bit more, I found an alternate build option:<br/><br/>Str: 17<br/>Dex: 20<br/>Con: 14<br/>Int: 8<br/>Wis: 9<br/>Cha: 15<br/><br/>This is for Order of the Lion.<br/><br/>If going with Order of the Dragon, go for Wis: 15, Cha: 9 instead for certain.<br/><br/>You'd be focusing on archery here, though you would certainly be capable in melee as well. Since Luring Cavalier works with Beast Rider you can double up on this &gt;_&gt;<br/><br/>Archery tends to be a lot more powerful than melee, as you're almost always going to get full attack. I think you'd have more fun long-term with archery as difficulty with getting into melee can be highly annoying.<br/><br/><hr/><br/>As for wisdom versus charisma, there's a trait, eyes and ears of the city, that you can take. This would give you perception as a class skill and a +1 bonus to it, so you'll be surprised less. Focusing on dexterity/archery means you would go first more often, as well. And Luring Challenge while the monk is in the way is just cruel. &gt;_&gt;<br/><br/>As for will saves, you're not going to be facing them every session, you're not always going to be vulnerable to them when you are (protection from/magic circle against x keep the worst effects out), and 3 points less only makes it slightly more likely to fail, you're still going to succeed some of the time.<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>So archery would be a better option than melee? But considering that archer is ranged, why would I need a mount? I'm presuming that, if in going to emphasis on luring, I won't be doing much direct combat? I know you said they both work together, but if I'm going ranged, why would I need the skills that go into Beast Rider?<br/><br/>I wouldn't worry about the annoyance of "getting into" a certain play style. Trying to learn this stuff is already confusing the heck out of me. :P<br/><br/>Why would using Luring Challenge with a monk around be cruel?