<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=324786.msg15590983#msg15590983">Quote from: Lyron on 12-09-2020, 16:44:16</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote"><strong>Dotley</strong>, is there anything that Ramon might have been sensitive over as a teen, that Marc might have picked up on? Trying to think of what Marc might have done their senior year. It would have had a physical component no doubt, possibly psychological as well. Beyond the classics, the only thing I'm thinking of is locking Ramon in a closet, maybe duck taped--possibly during Senior Sleep Over? Leading up to the incident(s), Marc could have started talking to Ramon again--innocent at first; he probably joined in on one of their families' dinners once, and around the same time wanted to see if Ramon had any clue of the affair, and got angrier when it seemed that he didn't. I dunno how much of this would actually work, 'cause Ramon seems like a smart cookie, but if Ramon had intended to attend Senior Sleep Over, maybe Marc could have picked him up that night. He could have tried to get him to come out to him with words of assurance during the drive. If that succeeded, and Ramon's headspace seemed right, maybe Marc even lied about someone else being gay, someone he thought he was attracted to, to see if he would act on the information? It could have led up to him being tossed into the closet. <br/><br/>Still waking up though. :D Something else might come to me later.<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Honestly, I think all of this 100% works fantastic. Ramon was a smart kid, but he was also desperately lonely and struggling his sexuality and worried about life after graduation. I don't think he would have been in a place to up and openly come out to Marc, but he certainly could have come to a point where he admitted, "Maybe I am", on that fateful drive to the sleep over. And for teenage logic that's as good as admitting it.<br/><br/>Do senior sleep overs usually happen before or after prom? If it happened before, then it's possibly that incident also was what drove Ramon to ask out a girl to prom in a last ditch effort to be straight before he realized he couldn't do it and hightailed it out of West Harper.<br/><br/>As for Ramon's insecurities, he was pretty insecure about his height and his weight - late growth spurt and he was a skinny kid. His mom was a single mom and he grew up on food stamps, so he was sensitive about that too.<br/><br/>Also if you're cool with it, Ramon would definitely have punched Marc (or tried at least) after he got out of the closet. (Oh no I can already hear the "I see you finally came out of the closet" jokes). Cue teenage boy scuffle and a lot of yelling in Spanish.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=324786.msg15590739#msg15590739">Quote from: Levi on 12-09-2020, 06:39:19</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Would anyone like to connect with Kat. She might be the old Queen of the class bit she's super freindly!<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Ramon definitely would have voted for her!