<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4911978#msg4911978">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 11-07-2011, 12:05:56</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Also thanks meikle for explaining bit the 2th edition celestial exalt hierarchy :). Btw, abyssals have redemption possible, is same possible for infernals or what is exact deal with infernals exaltation essence? I only know Yozis somehow got them via snatching jade prisons.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>It's probably important to keep in mind that Solar and Abyssal Exaltations are, at the end of the day, the same thing.  A Solar can force their own Exaltation to power Abyssal magic, and vice versa; presumably, it's possible for a Solar to subsume their Exaltation into an Abyssal one all on their own, the same way that an Abyssal can do the reverse.  This has always been the case; there were probably Solars using Abyssal Charms before Abyssals ever existed as servants of the Neverborn.<br/><br/>Infernal Exaltations, on the other hand, are not the same as Solar Exaltations; it's more like they use a Solar Exaltation as a battery to power something entirely different.  You can't move between Solar and Green Sun Prince the way you can move between Solar and Abyssal.  The only way to actually force that change to happen is to have the Exaltation on its own and scrape off the stuff that the Yozis added to it, but you can't do that while the Exaltation is active within somebody.<br/><br/>Infernals do their whole ascendancy thing by becoming themselves and creating a Charmset that represents who they are rather than the Yozis; so like, eventually, Madder would be using the First Madder Excellency and the Sorcerous Initiation of Madder instead of She Who Lives In Her Name.  (The alternative routes are 'never committing to anything' or 'becoming one of the Extant Yozis', like turning into a second Malfeas.)