<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4882731#msg4882731">Quote from: meikle on 04-07-2011, 18:34:15</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">You're a Terrestrial; you'll never be able to summon the more powerful demons.<br/><br/>You can at least <em>try</em> to summon more powerful elementals. :p<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Hmmm, that actually has a point. Also Muse said this;<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=16">Quote from: Muse on 04-07-2011, 18:27:55</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote"><em>Well, I was told that demons are overall better for combat purposes than elementals</em><br/><br/>*Smiles*  Someone doesn't know what they're talking about.  Unelss, of course, you want disposable cannon fodder too feed into a meat grinder, or demons of the second or third circle.  <br/><br/>Here's some reasons too summon elementals over demons.  <br/><br/>Summoning Rate:  <br/>--1 demon can be summoned every night.  <br/>--The ritual requires the entire night.  <br/>--The demon will summon in general for a year, or serve a specific task indefinantly, but if you're summoning them for something as urbane as combat, then they won't last that long.  <br/>--You're in a party with a rogue Infernal, who can bypass the normal ritual an summon demons instantly.  <br/><br/>Elementals:  <br/>--Three hour summoning rituals not linked to any specific times of day allow multiple sumonings in one day, according to your willpower.  <br/>--The elemental can be called to general service for a month, or to a specific task for up to a year.  However, because Eleemntals are natives of Creation, some of them are easy to get along with.  These can be negotiated with instead of bound.  Services can be exchanged instead of compelled.  Elementals may flock to sign on for a war in order to benefit from the preparatory training charms, for example.  <br/>--Elementals can assist in the spell Ritual of Elemental Empowerment.  <br/>--Some elementals are on speaking terms with Yuu Shan.  <br/><br/>  *  *  *<br/><br/>Now, most people think too raise an army of demons you summon blood apes.  This is unwise as Blood Apes have no War rating and are all but helpless in large scale battles.  <br/><br/>There are, or course, demons with war ratings, demons who double as armor, and demons who craft things of ugly green glass.  <br/><br/>  *  *  *<br/><br/>Now try Elementals.  <br/><br/>Say you want Elemental shock troops whom you won't care too much if they die, but who will joy in battle against a terible foe.  These are Thunderbirds.  They are violent and brutish, powerful, winged, and wield blue jade war clubs.  <br/><br/>Or if you prefer more sophisticated combat companions, summon a wing of flame ducks and negotiate for a small, willing mercinary army.  Each of these small, comely green girls is a powerful warior in her own right, but it takes but 5 of them too give you a Magnitude 2, Might 3 mass combat unit.  <br/><br/>Or say you want something more heavy hitting, but not airborn?  Earth elementals called Jokun can dish it out and take a good hit too.  <br/><br/>Elementals can craft.  Elementals can heal.  Elementals can serve as mounts on land, air and sea.  <br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>So, if above are true then I could change my sorcery spell for summon elemental. Also if my ally is ifrit prince then I likely get bonus to summon ifrit if he is present in the 'negotiations'. Ifrit make quite good charismatic combat leaders/generals. Also I know Jokun; in former incarnation of this char I had summon elementals and I was recommended them as they are indeed quite tough. Only requirement was to be overall honorable (same to ifrit).<br/><br/>Also what I understand some elementals can even stay after duration of summon is over, becoming allies if my char can talk them join the cause personally (instead just act as summoned minion). Also having Destiny in 5 ranks I<em>may</em>have a chance call some major elemental lords :P. Which then start to be quite scary lot.