<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=156288.msg7735953#msg7735953">Quote from: Neysha on 17-02-2013, 04:22:13</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Submarines at the very least should be somewhat more survivable if they are at sea. Submerged submarines are very hard to detect with the proper ASW ship or aircraft nearby, which makes sense, considering they are supposed to hide well. US Nuclear Submarines benefit even moreso, since they can stay underwater for long periods of time. But the more common diesel-electric ones are more stealthy in shallow waters. <br/><br/>Carrier groups are pretty big targets however and can be easier to find. I'd imagine they'd be up there target wise in any initial attacks. But there are a lot of US Carrier groups. Ten fleet carriers, plus all of the amphib carriers which have less planes but more angry marines. :)<br/><br/>The 7th Fleet is forward deployed to Japan and has one carrier group which is 50/50 at being at sea or not since half of the fleets ships are at sea at anyone time... specifically just in case of some overwhelming surprise attack. And while the bases on Okinawa and Japan should've destroyed, there's still the submarine and naval base at Guam which is kinda in the middle of the Pacific. They got submarines and a lot of the special naval warfare and salvage and logistical ships there. The latter will be especially useful... since so much needs salvaging now. ;) <br/><br/>Plus there'd be Japanese and South Korea ships working alongside the Guam based ships. <br/><br/>The 3rd Fleet has five more carriers and could be based anywhere in the Western Pacific like San Diego or Washington or Hawaii as a home port. But they could conceivably be anywhere in the damn ocean. <br/><br/>Another thing to consider is that the US has possible bases that they could conceivably use just in case and have teams and personnel and contractors forward stationed in random places like the Philippines, Vietnam, Thailand, Singapore, British Colombia, Taiwan and so forth where there are no basing agreements and it'd normally be politically unfeasible, but if circumstances change, they could be utilized, especially in emergencies. (not sure if the Apocalypse qualifies) <br/><br/>In port, I can't imagine Carriers being very survivable especially in a surprise attack of this scale. But if they're out in the middle of the ocean, they'd be able to escape immediate danger. They aren't terribly hard to find, but a carrier battle group on alert would be a very tough nut to crack. Especially since I'd reckon most mutant style attacks in any conventional sense would have to be air based if the fleet is at sea.<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>I agree fully but am I allowed to introduced things like that?...you being a co-gm I can see doing so In cairo but I have no desire to overstep my bounds...I did add in a bit with some JDF forces that all died in Domino's Posts but that is not anything like bringing in a MEU or carrier strike...Heck by now whatever survives of the US government would be considering nuclear strikes... If there was any intell coming in from the middle east I could se them turning the area in a waste land...which could add in anotehr aspect...sorta like Iron Man and the nuke in 'The Avengers' Movie...<br/>With SHEILD and SWORD both gone there is no one to put the breaks on the loonies that would do that... and then like you said there are the Sentenials<br/><br/>Phaia