<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=114752.msg5094791#msg5094791">Quote from: PaleEnchantress on 21-08-2011, 05:13:13</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I'm aware your the assistant ST. That's why when you veto a very important thing to me I don't argue. I just ask if I can change your mind. Allow me to explain my position.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>I'm glad you understand he's the assistant ST, this would mean that his word has just as much baring on the game as mine does. It also means that going to be blunt, if he asked you to change something it means change it, no ifs ands or buts about it.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I'll address you both on this here. <br/><br/>This game sounded exciting from the moment I read about it because I've had a a specific character in my head for a very long time and this game in every way is perfect for him. The character is practically dual gendered, he has the mind of a 6000+ year old female vampire, the genitals of a man, and a body that's attractive but unidentifiable as being either sex at all. The rulebook even has a super power that makes it impossible for anyone to tell his gender while also making him exceptionally beautiful. Fucking perfect!</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>From playing in the game for over 14 years in the white wolf system. Having appearance 5 is pretty much the standard for being one of the 'hotties'. What you're trying to explain to me is that having an appearance 5 makes Mateus is a god. Yes that does mean with Appearance 4 and Mega Appearance 1 it only gives you Appearance 5 which any starting character in the system can buy with just their freebie points. Now I understand that his "appearance" is everything to him, but in most of the student's eyes he/she will probably look like any other hot guy or hot girl out there in the school. I'll expand more on this below.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">The costumes in the marvel world have tended to be for combat and custom tailored to each person wearing them. Krysia wants school uniforms though, this is very detrimental to my character who is heavily appearance based, but she is ST so while my character will hate it I can still make it work OOCly. Mateus has the mind of a woman and is used to wearing corsets and high heels. Oocly i'm an inter-sexed woman playing a seductive ambiguously gendered character. We are desperate for him to  be sanctioned the female uniforms.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Point here is you aren't a super heroe/heroine yet there for you are a "student" in the school and would get "their" standard uniform/clothing. You wouldn't officially get your own suit until you pass their test and schooling. They aren't ready to receive their own suits (Unless it was something like Havok or Cyclops' deal where they "need" their suits to control their powers).<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I felt the easiest way to handle this was for the academy to issue him male uniforms but allow him to change them for the female ones without to much trouble. Considering the school is for super powered outcasts I figured the the staff wouldn't be too bothered by a gender identity issue. I thought they would consider him 'some type of transexual' and give him the female uniform. </blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>The staff wouldn't be bothered by it at all, then again they did kind of frown on Deadpool when he wanted Marvel Girl's uniform. He got it but well it was disgusting to look at and it was "comic relief". The staff on the other hand would be more concerned for the student body at the school. IE not wishing to get people confused. This causes stress to the students and I'll answer why. Say you were chatting up one of the male random students and he was all into it. Then he finds out you got dangly bits in your shorts..... and he's let's say a straight male. Do you see an issue with this? I don't know about you but I'd be PISSED. They're trying to avoid this in the school. They're trying to avoid the possibility that Mateus could cause violence on the campus. If you went to prison and had the thought pattern of a girl but yet the parts of a guy you'd be placed into a male prison. People aren't really concerned about what the mind thinks, they really do just care about the dangly or non-dangly bits in your pants.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Of course there are other ways for him to get the female uniforms as well.  If you Krysia feel stealing them is the best option I could do that but that brings up a lot of problems in my mind<br/><br/>1) It requires him to concoct a plan and execute it during the opening posts of the game. This in turn requires a lot of St narration and game mechanics as he does this. This slows the game down and focuses on me when we are just trying to start the game.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Doesn't have to happen in the 'introduction' post. You could be plotting over the course of a few post.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">2) It's unofficial. The staff can at any time  tell Mateus "That isn't your uniform. Go change!" Also in a similar note he could be unsuccessful.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>I'm sorry I don't see an issue with this... it would be comic relief. You know fun and light hearted.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">3) It makes it seem like the X-Men have never dealt with an ambiguously gendered student before, and haven't even considered the possibility of it. Their doctrine of acceptance suddenly rings very hollow when they are forcing a female minded individual to wear a male uniform.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>This goes back up to the part about not wanting violence on the campus. They would have no problem dealing with it but again the staff is not just there for Mateus but for the WHOLE school. Meaning they have to take into consideration the rest of the students feelings.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">If you have other ideas how to deal with this I'm certainly willing to listen and work with you. I really believe that part of our problem here is that I haven't highlighted the gender dynamic or it's importance. I can see how my concept description of "Male Black Queen" can evoke the idea that he is defined by having the <em>powers</em> of the Black Queen rather then the <em>mind</em> of the Black Queen. I await your ideas for resolution. If you wanted to simplify it even more we could say he already exchanged his uniforms days ago and exclude that  part entirely. </blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>I gave my ruling on this already. Staff would say no.<br/><br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I think the only reason this was even a problem is because I haven't accurately communicated what I'm trying to do or what Mateus is capable of. Of course intimidation is usually charisma. However I'm referring to a specif power Mateus has. Let me quote it... [ ¥ Terrible Beauty- the mutant's Appearance is so inspiring and imposing that she may substitute it for Charisma in any situation that involves human interaction.] </blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Actually it would "still" be a Charisma roll. The only thing the power stunt would "allow" you to do would be substitute you Appearance of 5 as your Charisma roll. Meaning you'd still roll Charisma + Intimidate as I said, just putting your 5 dice from Appearance as the Charisma score. And seeing by your character sheet you have no intimidation you'd have 5 dice vs. the target's willpower. :)<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I was really just wanting a quick roll resolution so I could narrate how successful at making the random nameless students he passed lust after him and feel insecure about themselves. I could just assume an average spread of results: Most of the boys found him rather lust inspiring, while a few were practically drooling and a few unimpressed. - Most girls were made to feel self conscious with a few practically breaking into tears and a few others not phased and wondered why the goth chick seemed like such a bitch. ~If that's easier for you. Or we could roll against a baseline difficulty (6 or 7 maybe?). He isn't trying to hold a beauty contest against Gambit. He is trying to make an average assortment of high school kids feel bad about themselves. </blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>I talked to 3 different story tellers and they all said the same thing: Charisma + Intimidate vs. Target's Willpower. So that's the roll you need to do vs. anyone you want to do what you asked. There isn't just a blanket difficulty you can use.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">It's really impressive that you owned your own home and made around 40,000 dollars a year while in high school. I'm sure you'll agree though that that is well above the average for high schoolers. I'm as bit lost on the relevance though... I must have been a bit vague at this point in my post though so let me ask directly. </blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Actually yes it is very impressive. I worked for a dance company in Korea that not only paid for me to live but also paid for the HUGE amount of money it was for me to go to school there in Korea. So where as I might of had about 1000 a month for myself the rest of the money I had went into living expenses. Which is exactly what is going on with Mateus. Most of his monthly money of 1200 he gets half of that goes into living at the mansion, training stuff, food he eats and so on and so forth.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">My post stated that Mateus is used to luxury but is now broke. He still has more money then most high schoolers do but aside from a few expensive outfits he has nearly nothing to his name. I thought this was in line with his resource score. Now that I have pointed out my reasoning, If you feel it flawed I  will gladly go back and free up some points on my character sheet to increase his resources so he can be more accurately affluent.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Too late on going back to change your sheet now. I'm not allowing redmaging in the game. You gave him resources 2 and that's how it'll stand. It'll take too much time out of the game to go back and redmage your sheet now. :)  If you are not familiar with what redmaging is have a blast reading this (http://www.nuklearpower.com/8-bit-theater/).<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Ah I did not even think about how grapple would apply to touches. Thank you for pointing that out. I'm familiar with how specialties work. You did notice that by time I posted yesterday that (aside from touch and psychic blade) I already had changed all my specialties to the ones in a book, right? I'm pointing this out because I feel as if I'm being admonished for not complying when I did so immediately. I will now go and change these other two as well.<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Changing a specialty is totally different from changing your whole sheet. I saw you changed some of the specialties but still it says "Contact" as your brawl specialty. :)<br/><br/>Now with everything said I do hope this brings closure to the debate. I've had to take time out from running the game to explain things. I haven't even been able to make my own post. If Jin asked you to change something, do so please. If I asked you to change something, do so please. If there is going to be continued bickering over a ruling one of use made then I'm going to kindly asked that person to leave. I want to have fun as well. I wanted you guys to have fun as well, that's why I offered to run the game in the first place. Enjoy the game, don't make me harp on rules.