hi guys!  just got back online.  i did have some different ideas for the breaking and such.  One of the ideas I have used in the past is similar to what Chuu mentioned, but it required 24 hours.. though it wasnt soo much breaking as it was training.  Though with this type of group it can be shortened.  What it was was basically tying them down and making them watch obedience tapes, while at the same time using a cassete player with headphones and making them listen to even more obedience tapes... not sure if that would necessarily work, but I love how we are discussing all this.  And it is possible to do some changes to Kanami the first night