I think one of the problems here might be that there is some confusion between a character<em>thinking</em>they are a hero, and characters actually<em>being</em>a hero.  After all, it is a rare villain indeed that actually considers themselves to be in the moral wrong, save the Joker and more Snidley Whiplash type of ne'er-do-wells.  You look at a man like Mr. Freeze and see someone who certainly considers himself to be doing what is just, but in the process he resorts to extremes that are anything but.  That sort of thing has  been what the Batman universe has been about for a long while now, where shades of ambiguity are common nearly across the board--however, it is<em>always</em>the Batman (or Batwoman) that has the title of hero or heroine.<br/><br/>I guess what I'm trying to say is, the original interest thread didn't exactly succeed in getting across the idea that you wanted villains who are evil, basically, for the sake of being evil.  Sabotage is not a good person.  He's on the wrong side of the law whether he wants to believe it or not, he's turning his own generation into the equivalent of terrorists, has his hands in some illegal dealings of his own, and is quite possibly just as big an addict as his girlfriend.  That doesn't scream<em>hero</em>to me.  Heck, it'd be a pretty big stretch to even call him an<em>anti-hero</em>.  Just because he's delusional and self-righteous enough to believe he's doing some good, doesn't necessarily mean that he<em>is</em>.<br/><br/>In any event, that's my explanation.  Sorry if I came off at all hostile, because that wasn't my intention at all!  If he doesn't work in your game, I'm not going to try and push him on you.  But in case you needed any more convincing, I may as well reveal who I partially based him off of.  [Click!] (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/rcburner/BLOWITALLUP.jpg)