Combat takes place when 2 people are about to battle, to the death, or otherwise, whenever that stops init is lost. Talking doesn't count. Gorvis believed his fight to be over, dropped his guard and then got surprised. Also he isn't near enough to the fight to affect it. So we have two fights going on in relatively close proximity to each other. That's all Ather.<br/><br/>Orchid you and wick are before the wildman.