thought it was, and yea that drama not really interested in getting into that can of worms open again, cause im willing to bet its still there, not worth the time or effort, and no hun i dont have any of my characters there anymore i was sooo pissed i deleted all of them because of everything.  Now im wishing i hadnt cause i had some good writing material with some of those characters.  and yea i think that is sturms place in detroit.  but it was OWOD, not NWOD, anyways i have to hit the sack im beat!