<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=70357.msg3092493#msg3092493">Quote from: Nyarly on 30-05-2010, 19:34:58</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">No, it was not okay for me. This whole pet-thing is taking it too far and I really dislike it. Also it sounds as if Rachel were submissive for the entire family, when she is only submissive to her mother. She may be briefly be a sub for another family member when the mother orders her to, but other than that not.<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Okay, let me know which parts to take out. Is collar and leash completely a no?<br/><br/>And the submissive for the family is an extension of the submissiveness to the mother, the mother being the senior person.<br/><br/>So if the mother says, 'kneel and service person X' that isn't submitting to person X it's submitting to the mother.<br/><br/>