I think that we just see it differently, and that's cool.<br/><br/>My point of view is that you spend<em>years</em>in close and intensive contact in training, you get a feel for whether that person will, or will not be committed to giving his life for another. It's not that rare of a trait. If you, as the trainer, doesn't feel that the person is willing to do that, they don't get tested, but go into the tower guard or back to whatever destination that they desire. Remember, not everyone who trains at the tower is meant for, or want to be a warder and are only there for the exceptional training by men who have the experience to both train and pick out potential warders.<br/><br/>To be a warder, for me, it's far more important that the person be able to use his wits, mind and weapon effectively and with skill, or how he feels about giving up his life for her is a mute point.<br/><br/>For example, Gawin (sp? I've never actually seen the names in print) had the skill, but was totally unsuited to be a warder, yet became one even though he was more than willing to give his life. In the example given, he would of passed the test but still been unsuited because he was more concerned with himself and glory than her defense/life. In fact, in the end, his actions put the whole final battle at risk because he wasn't where he should of been.<br/><br/>So, just testing to see if someone is willing to give their life isn't a true test of if they<em>will</em>put the best interest of their ais sedai  before their own or not. That should be the test if you want to test dedication.