<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=157975.msg7257912#msg7257912">Quote from: mvo33 on 21-11-2012, 20:11:28</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">They are ERLLs...fuck that then.  They've got more lost technology in turrets than we have in mechs, its only 3049, all but the elites if the elites have been out fitted with tech upgrades...if that.  (I'm basing this on the face that not only did the clans extended range weaponry surprise Phelan who trained with the Wolfs Dragoons but Prince Victors company didn't have it either).<br/><br/>Matt<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Inner Sphere ERLLs have only 30 metres on the effective range of a Baseline PPC (19 Hex vs. 18), at one and a half times the heat of the baseline LL (12 heat vs 8) And, the ERLLs were reintroduced by the mid 3030's; around the war of 3039, ERLLs were uncommon weapons.<br/><br/>Clan weapons were an unpleasant surprise because A: They had a range that surpassed everything the IS had done, with only the IS gauss rifle getting an identical range profile, B: Ultra Autocannon and LBX autocannon were still experimental in 3050 in the IS, C: The Clan weapons did, on average, 50% more damage than a comparable IS weapon. Eg. the Clan ERPPC does 15 Damage for 15 heat, while the IS version has the same range, and heat, but does 10 damage (same as a baseline PPC), and D: clan weapons are smaller, lighter, and more modular than IS weapons. A ~Large~ factor in the surprise between the IS and Clan Tech levels is the clan Omnitech, and the frankly broken LRMs the clans have. (Seriously; a clan LRM-20 weighs the same as an IS LRM-10, and has no minimum range before the warheads arm. Booo)<br/><br/>As for the claim that Phelan and the 10th Lyran guard didn't have advanced tech, or were surprised because of training with the Dragoons, well; Phelan was notorious as a spaz who barely paid attention to things, and the lance he was in was on pirate-hunting duty; you don't need anything more advanced than 3025 tech for that, and honestly, the little sprog already had a state-of-the-art Wolfhound, which is a rather brutal hunter-killer for Light chassis. Secondly, the Dragoons only revealed that<div class="spoiler_container"><div class="spoiler_header" onclick="hideSecond (this);" role="button">Spoiler: Click to Show/Hide</div><div class="spoiler_body">They were a scout force sent from the Clans to examine the Inner Sphere after the clan retreat in 3051 after their IlKhan was killed in action, so they didn't reveal their knowledge until 2 years after Phelan had been captured.</div></div><br/>As for the 10th Lyran, they were on Garrison Duty on Trell I, whish hadn't had a single invasion since the Grey Death Legion formed there in 3024; Garrison duty on a low-risk planet usually means 'rest and refit' time, so Prince Mary-Sue Davion Could learn how to work with a company.<br/>