<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=239807.msg11894196#msg11894196">Quote from: ChaoticSky on 13-12-2015, 01:24:30</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Ooh, i started a discussion! Thats always fun.<br/><br/>I will say that I had simply assumed they did. A clever little interaction i uncovered while persuing charms. I had read the Performance Charms, then moved on to Presence, and when i saw that bit about increasing App i had a little deja view moment, and a little Ctrl-Fing uncovered that there was indeed a performance charm that did the same thing.<br/><br/>My own personal interpretation was as such: Any 'indefinite' charm can be pseudo-committed as long as you keep the motes in, it keeps working. This is how i remember it working in 2e, since as long as you keep the charm going, it never stops working, but you also cant get <em>back</em> the motes as long as they are 'working' in the charm, thusly its mechanically identical to commitment.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Yeah, that was my reading as well, except when the charm text says otherwise, as with the "for the rest of the scene, the character gets +1 App."<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=239807.msg11894196#msg11894196">Quote from: ChaoticSky on 13-12-2015, 01:24:30</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Thousand Courtesan Ways works by suffusing the body with essence and allowing you to sexualize other social actions (and, i would assume, even non social actions).</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Yeah, I kind of want to see someone stunting something absurd like... sweeping the halls of a temple using Thousand Courtesan Ways to seduce someone who's in the area. I would laugh.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=239807.msg11894196#msg11894196">Quote from: ChaoticSky on 13-12-2015, 01:24:30</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Awakened Carnal Demiurge on the other hand involves a dramatic action which is basically the Solar telling Creation <em><strong>I am fucking gorgeous</strong></em>, and Creation going "Your the boss!", i had likened it in my head to literally ordering your own beauty to work harder.  ;D</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>That is definitely one way of looking at it. I'm not sure it's the one I'd most agree with, but I can see it being legitimate.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=239807.msg11894196#msg11894196">Quote from: ChaoticSky on 13-12-2015, 01:24:30</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Anyway, thats what was going through my head. Its worth pointing out, that this isnt new... i had those two extra dots of App on my sheet ever since I finished picking my charms, all bracketed and gold to stand out. The two charms also have <strong>Commited</strong> listed beside them in bold letters on my sheet. So if <em>anyone</em> looked at my sheet before now they should have noticed it. I'm just pointing out i wasnt trying to be sneaky here and abuse the rules, this was something i openly planned from day one.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>I didn't think you were trying to be sneaky at all! I apologize if that came across that way - I just wanted others to weigh in on what they thought the interpretation was.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=239807.msg11894196#msg11894196">Quote from: ChaoticSky on 13-12-2015, 01:24:30</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">As for how to rule it... I'm perfectly willing to accept whatever King decides on the matter, i didnt mean to cause a problem. For my own opinion, i <em>think</em> its still perfectly balanced as long as those extra dice from my App are considered 'dice added by a charm' and count towards that limit.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>That's perfectly reasonable, yes. I think I've been thinking of them as non-charm dice, which is a problem. That said, they do have a few extra bonuses beyond being charm dice, but that's perfectly reasonable, as I said before.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=239807.msg11894196#msg11894196">Quote from: ChaoticSky on 13-12-2015, 01:24:30</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Its just applied on the attribute side rather than the ability side (which is more of a Lunar thing to begin with, imo, but i didnt write the charms :P ). If however, you dont want them to stack, thats fine too. Honestly i could get more <em>efficient</em> results from using a Presence Excellencey, 1m for one die as opposed to 5m for one die. I could do that five times a day and still break even. I did it this way specifically because i wanted that App dot.<br/><br/>Why yes, i did want her appearance to make a splash  ;D. I'm playing a Zenith, not a Eclipse here. Shes a social type, but not a manipulator, shes honest and forthright about what she believes, and her beauty ensures that she is listened to.<br/><br/>As a player, i fully accept responsibility for anything that happens to my character as a result of being so <em>grossly incandescent~</em>. Feel free to have fun with it!</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>I approve of this reference.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=239807.msg11894196#msg11894196">Quote from: ChaoticSky on 13-12-2015, 01:24:30</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">(If you do rule that they dont stack, feel free to count my successes as one lower than i rolled, i shall have to make do with only <em>eleven</em>.  8-))<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Oh dear. xD I begin to see why social influence is quite an intriguing thing to deal with as a Solar.<br/><br/>But nah, I'll probably rule that they do stack, unless it becomes problematic. That said, however, Awakened Carnal Demiurge does take 5 minutes to activate, so in the future keep that in mind. It's not a "do this instantly" sort of charm. I'll let it pass for now, and am open to future discussion and possible stunts.