<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=222683.msg10939537#msg10939537">Quote from: Zeth on 30-01-2015, 23:12:46</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Why is everyone taking Manipulation as a dump stat? Isn't lying your ass off important in Mage?<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Only if you get caught. Angelo just wanted more Presence because the way I figure it, he's a Doctor. He can probably get away with using Presence to just say something and be believed. I try to come up with ways to play to my strengths.