Well, I suppose there is a reason they went a pretty ToB approach in 4th edition.  :-)<br/><br/>I really do like tome of battle, but it's also such a departure from old school d&d that I get a bit annoyed by it.  It's pretty much the best written book in all of 3.5 though.  (why the hell don't I own a copy...)  It also came out after I stopped playing/buying 3.5  *giggles*<br/><br/><br/>The pathfinder dragon disciple is at least something someone might play and not be completely screwed though, which is definately a good thing for those who play d&d with 13 year olds.  (the assassain may be a little too good at his job though, although I appreciate the removal of the blackgaurd, for insanely silly reasons)