<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Well, IMO, having a character who's only involved because he has to be is interesting in its own right. He could use his powers to do certain things, but why should he? What's it in it for him?</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Maybe you should answer the questions you pose before introducing the character. Your description of him insufficiently warrants his participation in Luthor's cabal as a necessity.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">If you want him to lift a finger, you have to bargain with him. You have to convince him that it's in his best interests. Besides, as stated in his power entry, he's losing his powers. Things that he used to be able to do with a snap of his fingers now take a considerably longer time for him to get done.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>You failed to adequately describe the limits on his power (raising questions about the necessity of taking a side) or make him a formidable but still beatable foe for a top-tier League fighter.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">He can't just snap his fingers and poof you no longer exist because that's a Cosmic level change and he can't do that any more. He's nowhere near his full power, which is why he's getting involved; to play both sides to figure out who is taking away his powers and how.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Then him playing games and being like "I'm too good for this" doesn't make sense. Either he needs them or he doesn't. The Luthor League doesn't need him, they just want him. There is an imbalance in the relationship there but it's undefined exactly what his position is as a result because of how vague you've left him.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Besides, he isn't Omniscient and Omnipresent; he can't just go "Ok, wherever Superman is...he's dead." He has to be in the area, involved in events to affect them. If he wants to do something on, say, Tamaran, he has to actually go to Tamaran to do it. So he's like Superman in that way; he has to go out to the battlefield to affect it.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Your failure to adequately describe...wait, I already said that. But the point still stands.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I appreciate that you don't see it ending well, but perhaps you could do me the courtesy of giving me a chance before rushing to judgement?</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/><br/>There are a lot of issues to address so if you are able to do so, I will change my position on the matter. There are a few more to follow, as well:<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=304027.msg14842467#msg14842467">Quote from: Vergil Tanner on 30-04-2019, 15:51:46</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">-- Reality Warper: Upon being cast out, Lucifer retained his holy powers; he is able to manipulate any external force for any effect he desires (Formerly). Recently, however, he has felt his powers beginning to wan and the larger, more cosmic-scale things he used to be capable of with merely a thought now require a great deal of concentration and energy. He is not best pleased about this. <br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>This raises serious concerns for me so would it be possible for you to describe this in terms that are a little less vague about the extent of this? You can't tell me this shouldn't give someone unfamiliar with the character pause to wonder what limits there are.<br/><br/>A character like that basically makes every other character a pawn in its game. If that's the story, fine, but if it's not the intended plot from the outset, their participation is just as I described before.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Weaknesses:<br/><br/><em>Divine Vulnerability: Can be injured by Divine Energy of sufficient power.</em><br/><del><br/>Isn't God: Lucifer cannot create something from nothing; anything he manipulates must already be in existence in some form.</del><br/><br/>Power Drain: Recently, he has found that his powers are being drained by some mysterious force. Whilst still obscenely powerful, he is losing more and more of his potent powers by the week, and if he does not find out what is draining his abilities, he may well end up losing them entirely.<br/><br/><del>Arrogant: Though he is supremely intelligent, he has a habit of underestimating opponents a little too much.</del><br/><br/><del>Cannot control minds: Lucifer cannot violate Free Will; he must rely on his (admittedly considerable) powers of persuasion rather than outright compulsion or mind control.</del></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>I'm not trying to be overly critical but a natural limit on a certain ability isn't actually a weakness. Superman can't travel at the speed of light but that's not considered a weakness. And that first one is meaningless if no one else in the game is capable of wielding it. If someone more powerful than Superman by several magnitudes doesn't have an abundant source of their own brand of Kryptonite around, what exactly is the purpose of being adversarial when there is no way whatsoever to stop them?<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">-- Invulnerability: It is exceptionally difficult to even so much as harm Lucifer, let alone kill him. Recently, however, he has found that certain powerful individuals are actually able to make him feel pain, much to his distress; whatever seems to be draining his powers seems to be affecting his durability, too.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>What would help with this, a great deal, is a specific example of what could cause harm and, even more, the rate at which his power is draining, as well as the level to which he's been drained at the start so we can project how long until he becomes not entirely untouchable.<br/><br/>I tried as best I could to avoid being snarky despite initially perceiving the response as a tad bit so.