Ooh, i started a discussion! Thats always fun.<br/><br/>I will say that I had simply assumed they did. A clever little interaction i uncovered while persuing charms. I had read the Performance Charms, then moved on to Presence, and when i saw that bit about increasing App i had a little deja view moment, and a little Ctrl-Fing uncovered that there was indeed a performance charm that did the same thing.<br/><br/>My own personal interpretation was as such: Any 'indefinite' charm can be pseudo-committed as long as you keep the motes in, it keeps working. This is how i remember it working in 2e, since as long as you keep the charm going, it never stops working, but you also cant get<em>back</em>the motes as long as they are 'working' in the charm, thusly its mechanically identical to commitment. Thousand Courtesan Ways works by suffusing the body with essence and allowing you to sexualize other social actions (and, i would assume, even non social actions). Awakened Carnal Demiurge on the other hand involves a dramatic action which is basically the Solar telling Creation<em><strong>I am fucking gorgeous</strong></em>, and Creation going "Your the boss!", i had likened it in my head to literally ordering your own beauty to work harder.  ;D<br/><br/>Anyway, thats what was going through my head. Its worth pointing out, that this isnt new... i had those two extra dots of App on my sheet ever since I finished picking my charms, all bracketed and gold to stand out. The two charms also have<strong>Commited</strong>listed beside them in bold letters on my sheet. So if<em>anyone</em>looked at my sheet before now they should have noticed it. I'm just pointing out i wasnt trying to be sneaky here and abuse the rules, this was something i openly planned from day one.<br/><br/>As for how to rule it... I'm perfectly willing to accept whatever King decides on the matter, i didnt mean to cause a problem. For my own opinion, i<em>think</em>its still perfectly balanced as long as those extra dice from my App are considered 'dice added by a charm' and count towards that limit. Its just applied on the attribute side rather than the ability side (which is more of a Lunar thing to begin with, imo, but i didnt write the charms :P ). If however, you dont want them to stack, thats fine too. Honestly i could get more<em>efficient</em>results from using a Presence Excellencey, 1m for one die as opposed to 5m for one die. I could do that five times a day and still break even. I did it this way specifically because i wanted that App dot.<br/><br/>Why yes, i did want her appearance to make a splash  ;D. I'm playing a Zenith, not a Eclipse here. Shes a social type, but not a manipulator, shes honest and forthright about what she believes, and her beauty ensures that she is listened to.<br/><br/>As a player, i fully accept responsibility for anything that happens to my character as a result of being so<em>grossly incandescent~</em>. Feel free to have fun with it!<br/><br/>(If you do rule that they dont stack, feel free to count my successes as one lower than i rolled, i shall have to make do with only<em>eleven</em>.  8-))