<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=239093.msg11831870#msg11831870">Quote from: JamesSureWould on 19-11-2015, 19:56:35</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Alright I follow. I thought you meant an attack post since, well, anyone can do an interjection post anytime.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Yeah, that's down to vagueness on my part; I meant just a post of him getting up and getting ready, since it's Superboy's turn to Attack Post.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=239093.msg11831870#msg11831870">Quote from: JamesSureWould on 19-11-2015, 19:56:35</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">So, looking back, it is slightly vague, but Nightwing is coming while Deathstroke's back is turned. So he's coming from Deathstroke's back. The twist of his hips. I'd intended that to be left or right since you can't really twist your hips forward or back. If you do that, then it's like a hip thrust or something other thing.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Ah, I see. The attack itself is fine, it's just the same thing I interjected with Juggs; it isn't technically your turn to Attack Post. :P<br/><br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=239093.msg11831870#msg11831870">Quote from: JamesSureWould on 19-11-2015, 19:56:35</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Honestly? Nightwing doesn't know. He made a guess. But I'd had Dick feeling serious deja vu earlier in the scene, so it seemed a logical leap tat he'd focus on villains he (or batman) fought in the past.<br/>If someone kicks your ass, you remember what it feels like when they kick your ass. I know that seems coy or whatever, but no, that's my legitimate answer. Even if styles change, there is a way people fight that doesn't. Dick uses a thousand different fighting styles, but Deathstroke would probably recognize 'Oh yeah, the kid that jumps around everywhere is every acrobatic'</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Yeah, but my point is, he's seen nothing of Deathstroke except a headbutt, a kick and a throw. That's it. That is nowhere near enough for him to say "Oh, this style seems familiar!"<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=239093.msg11831870#msg11831870">Quote from: JamesSureWould on 19-11-2015, 19:56:35</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">In a similar sense, dick would remember a very pragmatic and efficent fighter with enhanced everythings.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>But that's the thing; where in the last three attacks that he made has Nightwing A) Seen a more pragmatic than normal fighting style and B) internally commented on it? AND Nightwing made no mention of that kind of combat style to Alfred, who was the one who came up with the identification, so the ID came from ALFRED, not Dick, so that little "Deja Vu" moment you had meant nothing to the overall revelation. It came from an offscreen character as his first line of dialogue given the information "roughly 6'1 and enhanced." That was it. So how does Alfred logically leap from that to "IT MUST BE THE COMMANDER!" He doesn't; he can't. In terms of a reveal, it's just massively unfulfilling because there was no build up or even logical sense to the working it out, just the "Oh, it's The Commander, case closed."<br/><br/>It's like...<br/><br/>https://www.youtube.com/embed/5HqPVigNCkY<br/><br/><br/>My point is, the reveal comes out of nowhere and makes no damn sense given the information that Dick has access to...and it makes even LESS sense that<em>Alfred</em>can get the ID with two bits of very vague information.<br/><br/>How many villains in the DCU have super strength and have been known to engage in Mercenary or terrorist work?<br/><br/>A lot.<br/>Further, you keep saying "how many mercenaries have that description?"<br/><em>How the heck does he know that Deathstroke is a Mercenary?!"</em><br/>Deathstroke has certainly never said anything even remotely hinting that he's a mercenary, so how do Nightwing and Alfred know that? You're not just selecting from the pool of Mercenaries, you're going "Ok, so, are there any villains in the database that are tall with super strength?" And out of the dozens and dozens of responses, you go "Ah, the obscure villain that Batman fought once is the guy you're fighting. I know he doesn't look like him and I know that The Commander hasn't been seen in six years, but trust me guys, it's him."<br/><br/>I mean...what the hell? How does Alfred intuitively know?! Deathstroke's current armour, for one, looks NOTHING like The Commanders.<br/><br/>So what I'm saying is: It was a HUGE leap of logic to make, and one that makes no sense given the tiny amount of information that Dick has. The second post Dick has confronting Slade, and he instantly knows who he is, with no build up, no nagging sense, no extra intel other than height and vague power set? Rubbish. Utter rubbish.<br/><br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=239093.msg11831870#msg11831870">Quote from: JamesSureWould on 19-11-2015, 19:56:35</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Oh see I din't get that. You were talking about how it was an unfinished suit of armor, how it was missing pieces, and it made it sound like it was still a mostly normal looking military outfit with a few pieces of flair.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>No, I mentioned how it was missing<em>functions.</em>If his armour didn't look like the pictures I'm using, why would I be using them?<br/><br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=239093.msg11831870#msg11831870">Quote from: JamesSureWould on 19-11-2015, 19:56:35</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Then please emphasize that. Because your backstory for death stroke does not suggest that. It reads very close, especially the timeline, to what happened to Deathstroke in the comics.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>Except everything after he got stabbed by his missus. In the comics, he went full time into work as Deathstroke and encountered the TT, Batman, The League Of Assassins, The Justice League, then went psycho and decided that he didn't want to work for hire any more and that he was solely looking out for himself. In my version, he disappeared, assumed a pseudonym and worked on small jobs before being sent to an island and getting stranded on his own for...four, five years. In any case, since I'm the one playing him, at the end of the day I decide whether he would do something or not, regardless of what the comics say. It's an alternate universe, so he has a different personality. I'm not about to dictate Nightwing's personality to you, so please don't do the same to me with my characters.<br/><br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=239093.msg11831870#msg11831870">Quote from: JamesSureWould on 19-11-2015, 19:56:35</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">But, and I think this is the main point, does Deathstroke revealing his name make the scene worse? Because I really don't think it does. <br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>I think it does, because it hands the identity to the Heroes on a silver platter. I would much rather see Nightwing....y'know...employing his sleuthing skills in a non-bullshit way to suss out the identity. For example: have him fight him a little and gradually recognise the style and have a bit of "Wait a sec..." a few times after spotting certain moves or equipment. Then, maybe Deathstroke taunts him using the fight with Batman, cluing Nightwing into the fact that DS has fought BM before. And THEN have him go "Hey, Alfred, is there a list of superstrong mercenaries that Batman and I fought with the same speech pattern as this guy?" and THEN have the reveal come. But having Nightwing go "Yo, Alfred, who dis cracka?" And Alfred being like "Yo dawg, from his height I think he's that punk-ass Commander. Y'know, the obscure guy that you fought once 13 years ago!"<br/><br/>I mean, come on. The first words out of Alfred's mouth being "oh yeah, it's this guy" with nothing but his height and a vague power set? Come on. That's just utter nonsense. I don't care if Nightwing susses out DS's identity, but this? This just feels cheap and unbelievable, even by Comic standards. Even goddamn Batman himself would need more information than what Nightwing has, and he's goddamn Batman.<br/><br/><br/><br/>Also, on the note of posts; it's a bit chaotic, but the general rule is that there is a predetermined "Attack Post" order, and other characters can Interject with speech - which is a Free Action - and to react to immediate actions against their characters. It's a little messy, but the only alternative is to have a wall of text every time somebody responds because they're replying to six other characters at the same time.<br/><br/><br/>Also, Mia, no. I've posted and only Flash and Canary have posted since, so it is not my turn or Vergil1989's; it's yours.<br/><br/><br/><br/>EDIT:<br/><br/>I mean, I'm fine with the attack, James, really I am. It's not technically your turn, but Juggs is away, so I can react to it and no harm no foul. The only thing I have a big problem with is just how quickly Nightwing sussed out the identity without much information. I just...don't find it believable. As I say; the attack itself? No issue with it, and I'll happily post an Interjection Response to it. It's just the "Hey Alfred, who is this?" "Hm? Oh, it's The Commander" that I have an issue with because I just...don't believe they have the information required. *shrug*