<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=239093.msg11906917#msg11906917">Quote from: Vergil Tanner on 17-12-2015, 05:01:22</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Eh, I actually agree with Link Vs Cloud; Cloud usually wins due to arrogance or mistakes on the part of his enemies. Link has pulled off similar feats in his time, and has a lot more versatility in terms of his equipment; everything Cloud can throw at him, Link has a counter for.<br/><br/>I like DB quite a lot; they use well reasoned, well structured arguments and provide evidence for their claims. Do they always end in a way I agree with? No, of course not. But the thing is, Fan Fights like that will ALWAYS just be down to opinion, since they're fictional characters that will likely never meet in the first place, from different universes with different rules (most of the time). Some people will agree with some, some people will disagree with some. <br/>However, Juggs, I think you're being harsh; just because they came up with an outcome that you disagree with doesn't mean they <em>lied.</em> You can disagree with their conclusions and you can think they missed out important bits, but accusing them of <em>lying?</em> That implies malicious intent, and I think that's being too harsh just because you disagree.<br/><br/><br/>In terms of DB's, my favourites have to be Doctor Doom Vs Vader, Lex Vs Tony and Deathstroke Vs Deadpool (all of which I agreed with, incidentally enough). <br/>I love SPBD as well, it has to be said...my favourites are Batman Vs Vader (partly because Batman FINALLY lost a Fan Vote) and Green Ranger Vs Ryu, just because Jason David Frank himself did his own stunts, which I think is awesome. JDF in general is just a REALLY awesome dude. Plus, that Green Ranger suit...<br/><br/><br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>I'm actually not being harsh. People have written paragraphs of stuff calling DB out because they constantly get things wrong, and have outright either ignored facts or embellished or made light of things. In the case I used, Toph controlled Gaara's sand simply because she's an Earthbender. Firstly, she had a problem with sand, that was why they lost Appa in the first place. Secondly, you can't just control Gaara's sand. He infuses it with his chakra, making it completely his to control. And he is one of the most powerful Sand Ninja as their leader. Thirdly, even other Earthbender's can't wrest control of an already controlled chunk of rock. Fourth, Gaara is simply too fast for Toph to even react to in the first place. If you read/watch Naruto, or even just look at the calculations people put up, she should have been beaten the moment the fight started. As in, as soon as it started, he could hit her and the fight is done because he's so strong and so fast she can't react and that single hit would end the fight if not kill her. I could go on. I'm a fan of both shows, actually like Avatar/Korra a lot more than Naruto, but I call bullshit when I see it. And DB far more often than not is bullshit.