Well, neither i nor any of my GMs have ever made me roll to act against a virtue.  Maybe I should given the way some gamers just buys virtues because they're so damned powerful instead of because he's going to roll  play them.  :P<br/><br/>Anyways, a lunar's willpower score goes to their motes four times.  So does their highest virtue.<br/><br/>But yeah, if you don't comprehend the power of virtues and the power of edge, *Shrugs.*  You're severely missing out but to each their own.