<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=239093.msg11874515#msg11874515">Quote from: Vergil Tanner on 05-12-2015, 20:31:40</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I did! And whilst I disagree on the note of liking Batman as a character, I think he raises good points :P For one...he has enough money to make a real difference on the economy and society of Gotham, yet....doesn't. </blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Actually he does. Like the background stuff of in quite a few Batman comics is him using Wayne Enterprise to make sure that people in Gotham have jobs, and giving obscene amounts to charities.<br/><br/>It's not so much that Bruce doesn't do anything to help, more that Gotham is supposed to be so far gone that even an absurdly rich philanthropist isn't enough to fix it's problems.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=239093.msg11874540#msg11874540">Quote from: Vergil Tanner on 05-12-2015, 20:43:29</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Honestly, I would argue that there are some "villains" that do more to try to help in the long run than some of the heroes, since they may be villains but their goals at least <em>start out</em> noble. I mean, wasn't Mr Freeze's whole shtick at the beginning "I'm trying to save my missus?" Instead of punching him, why didn't Batman say "Look dude, I get it. I'm rich and super smart, and know aliens and the king of an advanced civilisation. I'm sure we can think of some way to help you out that doesn't include robbing banks and stuff." Of course, the situation might be a bit more complex; I admit to not being up to date on Batman comics since...well, not being a fan, why would I be? XD<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>As some one who had read abunch of batman comics, yes, Batman has tried to help Mr. Freeze with his wife. The problem is that Mr. Freeze is an insane person and thinks it's all some trap to take him from his wife, so he's never actually able to help.<br/><br/>He's also tried to help alot of the other villians in Gotham, even temporarily rehabilitating some of them. Like, He helped The Riddler turn himself around and actually become a private detective. And he got Two Face therapy and reconstructive surgery to help him become a productive member of society again.<br/><br/>But, they always eventually come back to crime. Partially because it's a comic book and the writers aren't just going to remove cool villains.<br/>But mostly it is supposed to be a commentary on just how just much of a shit hole Gotham is and how these people are genuinely insane.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=239093.msg11874523#msg11874523">Quote from: Vergil1989 on 05-12-2015, 20:35:57</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote"> Just things like that make you wonder just how selfless the League and their allies really are.  They have magic and the best alien medical technology you can imagine, and yet they don't help their own when they can outside of combat related injuries and the like?<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>yeah i got nothing here. I mean, Barabara Gordon was in that wheelchair for two decades before she fianlly got surgery and got better.<br/><br/>The problem I have with the article about why Batman sucks is that, well, every point except #3 applies to almost every other superhero. Marvel or DC. I mean, I love Batman (Well I lovee his supporting cast  but still) but he has problems as a character. However there were much better things the author could have picked on if he wanted to prove that batman sucks.