<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=276886.msg13608085#msg13608085">Quote from: TheBlackThrone on 17-10-2017, 17:19:57</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">The fact that Supes is forced to hold back is what makes it all the more interesting because villains put him in several situations where they want to see him just snap on someone. It's like how The Joker pressures Batman. I don't want to get on that debate, but I do think Batman is an enabler for The Joker but then everyone acts like it has to be Batman to end him when any hero or even villain can *shrug*. Superman is just as interesting a character to play as Batman if you know how to RP him.  ^-^<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>To be fair, writers often have even more of a hard-on for Batman than they do Superman, and he winds up more overpowered than even Supes.<br/><br/>I just realized I accidentally forgot to add to my post an integral part that I meant to:<br/><br/>I don't have any issues with Superman as a character. Or even as a hero, provided the writer knows what they're doing. It's just the inherent Mary Sue-ness baggage his character often comes with.<br/><br/><ul class="bbc_list"><li>Practically unlimited strengh</li><li>Fast enough to rival even The Flash</li><li>Flight</li></ul><br/>I mean, he can solve almost any of his problems just with those three abilities alone. Then we add:<br/><br/><ul class="bbc_list"><li>Superhuman intellect</li><li>Superhuman senses</li><li>Laser vision</li><li>Breath abilities</li><li>The ability to essentially heal from anything, provided he can get some sunlight</li><li>Kryptonian technology</li><li>A god damned forcefield (something I actually didn't know he had until I read your CS</li></ul><br/>Even all of this would be fine if he had some real character flaws. Granted, writers have been better at doing that lately (read: like, a couple of decades with things like anger issues, dissonance, mild arrogance, and a need to do things himself,) but he's still virtually revered by the entire population of Earth. Even the majority of superheroes are willing to blindly follow him simply on the basis that he's Superman.<br/><br/>Compare him to somebody whose equally overpowered, like Batman, for instance, since I already have him on the brain, and we'll see a bit of a contrast.<br/><br/>Batman is clearly overpowered. I was actually getting a little concerned as I filled out my CS that all the crap I was listing might be more than a bit unfair, but you what most writers have done is built tension around him as a person, rather than around his capabilities. Regardless of his abilities and his actions, Batmans interpersonal skills often wind up distancing him from his allies. Even the general public seems a bit wary of him. Heck, arguably one of his closest allies, Jim Gordon, doesn't really know where he stands on the whole "should there even be a Batman" issue. His very existence is often a point of hot contention in the world, and his unwillingness to blindly trust even his friends means that his relationships are often on thin ice at the best of times.<br/><br/>I'll even use Spider-Man as an example. The traditional iteration, for lack of much knowledge beyond the early 2000s stuff.<br/><br/>Spidey's spider-sense is arguably one of the most broken powers ever conceived. Combined with his super strength, super-human reflexes, his scientific mind and his webbing, and you have one of the few characters that even Death Battle agrees Batman couldn't take on—even with time for preparation.<br/><br/><div align="center">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8K1m6SCRz4<br/><span class="bbc_size" style="font-size: 8pt;">Of course, like all Death Battles, there's room for reinterpretation.</span></div><br/>But here's the thing (at least with his early-to-mid years,) the world<em>hates</em>him. Well, the general public, at least. He's also constantly underestimated and a consistent source of annoyance to even his allies due to his tendency to run off at the mouth. He also just has bad luck in general both in and out of his suit.<br/><br/>What I'm trying to get at here is that, while I don't dislike Superman, I can tire of him very quickly if he's not written well. Of course, the same could be said for any character.<br/><br/>I honestly think that Supes makes for a better fallen hero than an actual hero. Or villain, a la the Injustice games.<br/><hr/><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=276886.msg13608129#msg13608129">Quote from: TheBlackThrone on 17-10-2017, 17:44:48</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">The Flash is usually played in the JL games I've been in. It is the Wally West one though and not Barry Allen.<br/><br/>Aquaman is almost never RPed. If Superman had been taken already, then I would have happily RPed him because the King of Atlantis is no joke. They made him as close to Poseidon without saying Poseidon as they could get lol, especially with the summoning of sea monsters that we thought didn't exist.<br/></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br/>I love Poseidon; he's by far my favorite greek god.