Journalists should be skeptical of all sources including scientists
I really liked the interview with the three scientists in the "Decoding the Gurus" podcast: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/interview-with-worobey-andersen-holmes-the-lab-leak/id1531266667?i=1000603693959" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/interview-with-worobey...</a><p>(Interview starts roughly 33 min into the episode).