Why I now, unfortunately, hate Hacker News..
I'm new here, so maybe I'm a bit of the "bad new crowd" OP is talking about, but seriously, this guy doesn't seem to have a leg to stand on.<p>His last (current?) venture 11kclub <a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4323459" rel="nofollow">http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4323459</a><p>1) asks for your PII<p>2) wants you to do viral MLM on it's behalf<p>3) has ToS <a href="http://www.11kclub.com/tos.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.11kclub.com/tos.aspx</a> that explicitly state "you are applying to join a club you know nothing about"<p>4) and finally, the submitter lied about his affiliation (in the comments)<p>That said, maybe the behavior he's stating does go on "nowadays" (again, I'm too new to know) , but really from what I see of 11kclub, He as a person does not gain my sympathy.