Gödel's Disjunction [video]
I&#x27;ve only barely started with this video but I&#x27;m currently two thirds of the way into Penroses&#x27;s &quot;The Emperor&#x27;s New Mind&quot; and I&#x27;ve read a bunch of other opinion pieces on the subject along the way.<p>I think I&#x27;m just too dumb to understand this discussion. I think for me we could split the discussion in two potentially separate questions:<p>- Can a machine emulate a human mind so well that it would be indistinguishable from a &quot;real&quot; human to an external observer (that&#x27;s the Turing test, effectively)<p>- Can a machine emulate human consciousness<p>And maybe a third bonus question:<p>- Is there a meaningful difference between these two propositions from a scientific perspective? I.e. can we make falsifiable claims that would let us suss out philosophical zombies?<p>At this point I&#x27;m absolutely convinced that the answer to the first question is affirmative. We&#x27;re not there yet and there&#x27;s quite a long way to go until we do, but I really don&#x27;t see why there would be a fundamental mathematical hurdle on the way there. Maybe it exists, but I have yet to find a really compelling argument of where that hurdle would lie concretely. Give me an example of a thought that we couldn&#x27;t teach a machine.<p>Regarding the 2nd question (and the 3rd) it just boils down to &quot;what&#x27;s consciousness exactly? Is it even knowable?&quot; and I don&#x27;t think anybody has an answer to that. My personal intuition is that it&#x27;s unknowable.