Rats free each other from cages (2011)
&gt;Did we ask the animals too? Maybe the pig consensus is different<p>Most mammals react to painful stimuli (which we can provide a baseline for by testing it on other humans, whom you luckily consider to be reliable enough) with aversion and fear. We &#x27;ask&#x27; this question of many animals quite frequently, and have throughout history. The answers are reliable and consistent.<p>&gt;If most people agree they do not want to pay taxes, do taxes become evil? There is no objective reason to consider &#x27;most people agree on x&#x27; as some kind of objective moral imperative. There is no moral quality to caring what people want. I don&#x27;t think this is a very sound basis for an objective morality<p><i>starts to construct argument</i><p><i>sees sophistry in re &#x27;suffering&#x27; downthread</i><p>Equivocating physical and emotional and social &#x27;suffering&#x27;? Nope!<p>As to your edit, your perspective on other people&#x27;s perspective is familiar and disturbing. I think you should reexamine your eagerness to throw around the word &#x27;objective&#x27;, your penchant for jumping to conclusions regarding your interlocutors, and your self-described thresholds for othering members of your social circle. Or, because you&#x27;re right and you know it, ignore the entirety of this post.