Angular 4.0.0 Now Available
I&#x27;ll probably try it.<p>But man, am I getting jaded about all this javascript framework stuff. Every 6 months stuff breaks, every 2 years there&#x27;s a huge shift.<p>The problem with javascript I&#x27;ve been facing is value. Time and effort doesn&#x27;t always correlate to what I get in the other end. In fact, I can say when building, going single-page is a time sink.<p>And it&#x27;s almost always a mistake to go SPA first. Using a django or a rails lets you get the basics and data flow nailed down early on.  Get into a framework too early and have a need to change something? Have fun explaining to your manager&#x2F;client how costly it is to do a &quot;simple&quot; modification to a JS app when you have to throw the state you built it upon out the door.<p>What I want is a system tightly coupled into a server-side framework like a Django or a Rails that degrades gracefully and I only have to program the interactivity one time. Something that&#x27;d plop right into the asset pipeline&#x2F;django compressor so I don&#x27;t have to go outside of the framework to build.<p>Hundreds of hours of my life have been spent chasing this dream of sharing server side code with client side JS frameworks. That&#x27;s what I need.<p>Meteor didn&#x27;t do it for me. As for rendr, I&#x27;ve done stuff better with backbone&#x2F;express in-house. As of 2017, I get my best bang for the buck using django and pjax. No joking, I went from full DRF + Backbone Marionette -&gt; to plain old jquery and pjax and couldn&#x27;t be happier.<p>All these new build tools (grunt, gulp, webpack... come on), ES versions (I was ok with ES5). None of these things are helping me ship stuff ahead of &#x2F; on time and correctly. They&#x27;re creating an even <i>larger</i> gap between the server side data, logic and templates and the JS interactivity.<p>If anyone is listening, I&#x27;d love to have a well-supported opinionated distribution of django or rails that just renders forms, tables, etc. with angular&#x2F;react&#x2F;etc. and degrades gracefully.