Ask HN: Is the market bad, or am I having the worst luck job hunting?
I have a unique perspective on this as my job is coaching Software Engineers (and others) through salary negotiations when they change jobs.<p>I would describe the current SWE market as &quot;stuck&quot;. I&#x27;ll start with what I&#x27;ve observed over the past year, then I&#x27;ll opine on why I think I&#x27;m seeing that.<p>In 2021 and early 2022, there was basically a hiring boom in tech, and particularly Big Tech. This was superficially obvious, but I personally saw it in my business as Jan 2021–August-ish 2022 being the best stretch my business has had _by far_ (and I&#x27;ve been doing this full time since 2016).<p>Then the macro economy saw some significant changes (maybe the most in-your-face data point being interest rates going up in the US). Big Tech slowed the hiring, froze it, then starting laying folks off in pretty big numbers.<p>I saw _this_ in my business via a pretty rapid cratering of applications to work with me. People overuse the term &quot;fell off a cliff&quot;, but the inbound web traffic to the pages that drove my coaching business ... fell off a cliff. (For screenshots, you can check out this writeup I did earlier this year: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.joshdoody.com&#x2F;2023&#x2F;06&#x2F;focus-on-high-earners&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.joshdoody.com&#x2F;2023&#x2F;06&#x2F;focus-on-high-earners&#x2F;</a>)<p>Traffic to those pages dropped like 90% in 6–8 weeks. It was a dramatic, sudden shift.<p>Those are pages that one would find if one were searching for, eg, &quot;How to negotiate [big tech company] job offer&quot;. So, at least from my business&#x27; vantage, interest in negotiating job offers with Big Tech companies cratered around September&#x2F;October 2021.<p>Why is that relevant? By now, we all know that happened because there were layoffs brewing, etc. But at the time, that was not widely known and, much to my chagrin, inbound interest in my business was a leading indicator of what was happening with hiring at Big Tech companies.<p>Fast forward to today: Traffic to those pages is still more or less down 90% from where it was in mid-2022. I believe if there were to be a spike in hiring in Big Tech, I would see it pretty quickly. So, for now, I don&#x27;t think there&#x27;s much of a change there.<p>Why is the overall market for SWEs still &quot;stuck&quot;?<p>My guess is a lot of those layoffs were mid-level and junior engineers—not the experienced Senior Engineers, who were probably spared. So the market was suddenly flooded with mid-level and junior Software Engineers with Big Tech experience and Big Tech-level salary expectations.<p>Since those folks couldn&#x27;t go to another Big Tech company, they just sort of sat on the sidelines (pay in Big Tech firms is very, very good, and even a little fiscal responsibility would net someone a nice cash cushion to live on while sitting on the workforce sidelines).<p>Meanwhile, the normal attrition in Big Tech SWE jobs that typically happens ground to a halt either because those folks were not working at all (laid off and on the sidelines) _or_ because they were Senior Engineers—who would normally have been looking to hop to their next Big Tech job—deciding to just hunker down and see how things shook out. When there are layoffs happening all around you and you wonder whether you&#x27;re next, it&#x27;s easy to just sort of switch to survival mode, lay low, and see how long you can keep your job (I speak from experience here).<p>So, for several months, everyone was frozen: Either sitting at home waiting for hiring to ramp back up _or_ holding on to their Senior Level job. Eventually, the folks on the sidelines realized this might be a longer-term adjustment, and they needed to get back to work, so they started looking and applying for jobs. Unfortunately, Big Tech still wasn&#x27;t hiring, so they had to look elsewhere. The good news is &quot;elsewhere&quot; needs SWEs, the bad news is the pay they&#x27;re offering doesn&#x27;t look nearly as attractive as what Big Tech was paying during the boom. They also aren&#x27;t &quot;Senior&quot; level in their experience, so they can&#x27;t just apply for Senior-level roles at other tech companies (where they might be able to get comp approaching their mid-level Big Tech comp from before).<p>Or they _can_ apply to Senior-level roles, but they&#x27;re under-qualified for what that firm needs. A lot of firms saw lots of inbound applications from mid-level Engineers with Big Tech experience and salary expectations applying for Senior-level roles that they just weren&#x27;t ready for. So those firms are getting inundated with candidates and just trying to figure out how to find qualified candidates among the deluge of applicants.<p>Meanwhile, you (OP) are applying for jobs at those firms along with all of those folks who are migrating from Big Tech, which means you&#x27;re not landing interviews.<p>How does this resolve?<p>Unclear. But _eventually_ Big Tech has to start hiring again. Not at the rate they were hiring during the boom, but at a normal rate to support normal levels of business growth. When they do, the Senior Engineers will start moving again, and things will start to unstick. All of those sidelined Engineers from the layoffs will start to mix back in with normal Big Tech hiring, easing the pressure on non-Big Tech firms&#x27; recruiters, and opening up more interview slots.<p>I could be totally wrong here. I&#x27;m only going off of what I&#x27;ve seen. I can say that when I _do_ coach folks through salary negotiations, the process is the same as it always has been. There are just fewer negotiations happening because fewer people are getting jobs. I have no idea when the market will come back, but it _feels_ like things are slowly unsticking right now.<p>I know this probably isn&#x27;t much comfort to you, OP, and I&#x27;m sorry you&#x27;re not getting any traction. I hope you find something great soon.