Signal’s Moxie Marlinspike calls out Telegram founder Pavel Durov
&#x27;joecool1029 links[0] to an interesting Github thread[1]. It starts with Moxie not being OK with LibreSignal using Signal&#x27;s name and servers, but quickly turns into a discussion about federation.<p>Moxie:<p>&quot;I understand that federation and defined protocols that third parties can develop clients for are great and important ideas, but unfortunately they no longer have a place in the modern world. Even less of a place for an organization the size of ours. Everyone outside the FOSS community seems to know it, but it took actually building the service for me to come to the same understanding, so I don&#x27;t expect you to believe me.&quot;<p>Now, I understand Moxie&#x27;s goal is to (quoting from further down that thread) &quot;make mass surveillance impossible for the world we live in, not a fantasy land inhabited only by cryptonerds and moralists (...) to produce technology that is privacy preserving but feels just like everything else people already use, not somehow convince everyone to fundamentally change their workflow and their expectations.&quot;, but still - is that the consensus now? That federated protocols are dead and &quot;no longer have a place in the modern world&quot;?<p>--<p>[0] - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=15282380" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=15282380</a><p>[1] - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;LibreSignal&#x2F;LibreSignal&#x2F;issues&#x2F;37#issuecomment-217211165" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;LibreSignal&#x2F;LibreSignal&#x2F;issues&#x2F;37#issueco...</a>