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[04:52] <Kamion> aargh, I have an urgent thing I've just remembered about that I need to buy today before the shops close; I'm going to be a little late for the goals update, sorry
[04:52] <Kamion> hopefully ~10 minutes
[04:54] <JaneW> ok
[04:55] <JaneW> *** Reminder: Special BreezyGoals Update Meeting in 5 mins time ***
[04:55] <pitti> Hi
[04:55] <Nafallo> hi pitti :-)
[04:55] <baggins> can i say hello too?
[04:56] <dholbach> JaneW: daniel elstner won't make it, but he'll write a detailed mail to everybody involved in GraphicalPartitioningTool asap - i can give details, when we're at it
[04:56] <JaneW> dholbach: ok thanks
[04:57] <JaneW> are all BreezyGoals updates done yet?
[04:57] <JaneW> we will no doubt be doing some during and after the meeting too...
[04:58] <Nafallo> fabbione: aren't you on VAC? ;-)
[04:58] <JaneW> hi fabbione!
[04:58] <fabbione> JaneW: thanks for updating LinuxroadMap
[04:58] <JaneW> how's the semi-holiday
[04:58] <Nafallo> fabbione: hi anyway! :-)
[04:58] <fabbione> Nafallo: yes.. but JaneW did call :)
[04:58] <JaneW> fabbione: np
[04:58] <fabbione> JaneW: progressing :)
[04:58] <Nafallo> fabbione: hehe, and the kernel upload? ;-)
[04:58] <JaneW> fabbione: we can do yours first so you can go...
[04:58] <fabbione> JaneW: we will get the garden room done by thursday i think
[04:59] <fabbione> Nafallo: well.. i had to wait for the shower to be free :)
[04:59] <ogra> fabbione, please update the goals page if its done :p
[04:59] <fabbione> Nafallo: so i kept myself busy
[04:59] <Nafallo> fabbione: lol
[04:59] <JaneW> is mdz in the house?
[04:59] <mdz> yep
[04:59] <JaneW> hi
[04:59] <fabbione> JaneW: thanks, that would be nice
[04:59] <mdz> 10 seconsd by my clock ;-)
[05:00] <ogra> oh, we have time
[05:00] <jbailey> Woot ntp
[05:00] <mdz> good morning, everyone
[05:00] <JaneW> any obkection to starting with fabbione ? so we don;t take up any more of his vac than neccesary?
[05:00] <fabbione> ogra: my stuff is all green.. almost like the grass i was smoking today ;)
[05:00] <mdz> JaneW: was already planning to
[05:00] <highvoltage> good morning.
[05:00] <ogra> fabbione, lol :)
[05:00] <JaneW> after that we'll run down the list from top to bottom
[05:00] <baggins> heheh
[05:00] <jbailey> Great way to throw off all of our meetings, someone needs to root ntp.ubuntulinux.org =)
[05:00] <mdz> thanks everyone for attending
[05:00] <JaneW> fabbione: !
[05:00] <fabbione> JaneW: !
[05:00] <mdz> Nafallo: no, the singing happened earlier in the evening. at that point I was croaking ;-)
[05:00] <mdz> as JaneW says, we're going to run down the list and get goal updates from everyone
[05:00] <Nafallo> mdz: hehe, oki :-)
[05:01] <mdz> if there's a blocking issue or something further to discuss, we'll take it to another time and forum
[05:01] <mdz> so we won't keep everyone here for very long
[05:01] <JaneW> one note
[05:01] <mdz> fabbione: you're up
[05:01] <fabbione> ok for Breezy i had 3 goals..
[05:01] <mdz> JaneW: yes?
[05:01] <fabbione> let's start in order
[05:01] <fabbione> ClusterFilesystem
[05:01] <JaneW> if there's an item in the goal which is deferred, but otheriwse the goal is complete, that item must be listed in the deferred goals table at the bottom of the page
[05:01] <JaneW> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals
[05:02] <fabbione> it's Completed. I am regularly importing bug fixes from upstream and push stuff back. Both upstreams are really good and cooperation is great.
[05:02] <fabbione> there are no deferred issues at them moment
[05:03] <fabbione> any questions about ClusterFS?
[05:03] <JaneW> fabbione: so there's nothing more to be done -other than bug fixes that come up from time to time?
[05:03] <JaneW> signed and sealed...
[05:03] <fabbione> JaneW: correct... that's just what i would consider normal package maintainance.
[05:04] <fabbione> Next one is InstallerVolumeManager
[05:04] <pitti> sorry for being late, network trouble
[05:04] <fabbione> it has been implemented on top of a prototype.
[05:04] <fabbione> it is working on amd64/i386 and all the arches that have LVM support on parted (if i remember the name right)
[05:05] <fabbione> it is offered as an installation option because ppc lacks it
[05:05] <fabbione> and can't be default
[05:05] <fabbione> this will be done for breezy+1
[05:05] <fabbione> also a major redesign of a few installer bits are required for a better implementation.
[05:05] <mdz> I don't think we want it to be the default; most users don't need that complexity
[05:06] <fabbione> anyway it works and it has been uploaded
[05:06] <fabbione> mdz: we discussed it in the specs iirc and we wanted to have it as default for server install
[05:06] <JaneW> fabbione: it says it still need testing?
[05:06] <fabbione> and we lack a GUI
[05:06] <hunger> fabbione: Cool, I need to test that once I find a computer to do that on!
[05:06] <fabbione> JaneW: that is right.. I did test it on my machines and it did work fine...
[05:07] <JaneW> ok, so who can drive it through to completed?
[05:07] <fabbione> hadn't hear any report of "It did kill my Terabyte of warez" yet
[05:07] <fabbione> I need somebody to test on amd64
[05:07] <JaneW> BTW I swaped Implemented and Completed around....
[05:07] <fabbione> i don't have one ...
[05:07] <ogra> i have o amd64 to install on :(
[05:07] <fabbione> JaneW: ah ok.. yeah we need an extra test on amd64
[05:07] <ogra> no
[05:08] <fabbione> and for breezy + 1 to review the overall
[05:08] <JaneW> ogra: no volunteering!
[05:08] <mdz> FYI, the target status for goals at FeatureFreeze is Implemented
[05:08] <ogra> JaneW, woud be easy to test during a edubuntu install ;)
[05:08] <JaneW> ogra: oic, ok then ;)
[05:08] <mdz> for goals which are not implemented by feature freeze, we'll need to take a decision on whether to drop them (according to priority, etc.)
[05:08] <JaneW> mdz: ok
[05:08] <fabbione> ok.. there is nothing more for InstallerVolumeManager
[05:09] <JaneW> mdz: so we don't need to push the implmented ones too hard right now?
[05:09] <fabbione> any questions? and no.. there is no GUI yet for it..
[05:09] <mdz> JaneW: better to have more implemented goals than a few completed ones, yes
[05:09] <fabbione> (the one shipped by Fedora crashes)
[05:09] <fabbione> (and it's very buggy atm)
[05:09] <JaneW> fabbione: can you make a note of the revision requirements in the deferred table is necessary?
[05:09] <mdz> testing naturally occurs post-featurefreeze
[05:09] <JaneW> s/is/if
[05:09] <fabbione> JaneW: yes i will, if you don't mind when i am back :)
[05:09] <JaneW> fabbione: np
[05:10] <fabbione> JaneW: perfect.
[05:10] <fabbione> the last one is LinuxKernelRoadmap
[05:10] <fabbione> we did manage to do most of the specs
[05:10] <fabbione> but:
[05:10] <fabbione> 1) we did specs too much
[05:11] <fabbione> 2) the team has been reduced in numbers so 1 did grow a bit
[05:11] <fabbione> generally the situation is looking good
[05:11] <fabbione> 2.6.12 seems a farly stable kernel
[05:11] <fabbione> and the normal process of bug fixing is taking place on a regular base
[05:11] <JaneW> ;)
[05:11] <JaneW> which one is that? (name?)
[05:11] <fabbione> there should be a bit of movement in a week when i will be back
[05:11] <fabbione> (have to sync a few things around)
[05:12] <fabbione> JaneW: name of what?
[05:12] <JaneW> fabbione: again, when you are back please add deferred bits to table, or send to me and I'll do it...
[05:12] <mdz> fabbione: regarding the new features in the spec, which ones have been implemented (or will be by feature freeze) and which are deferred?
[05:12] <JaneW> fabbione: I meant the kernel - never mind
[05:12] <fabbione> JaneW: yeps.. absolutely
[05:13] <JaneW> fabbione: your goals are looking great.
[05:13] <fabbione> mdz: it's all listed in the specs. I did update the specs on a regular base.
[05:13] <JaneW> fabbione: are you able to comment on the status of the goals/bounties your students are working on?
[05:13] <fabbione> mdz: do you want a summary here?
[05:13] <Kamion> back
[05:13] <fabbione> (but it will take a bit of time)
[05:13] <JaneW> fabbione: will any of them be ready/usable for breezy?
[05:13] <mdz> fabbione: yes, and the status should be recorded on breezygoals via janew, rather than changing the spec itself (so that we can see at a glance)
[05:14] <fabbione> JaneW: no more than you atm.
[05:14] <mdz> fabbione: just a very quick yes/no for each point
[05:14] <fabbione> JaneW: because they didn't ship any code and you should have received the last status report from them ( i didn't)
[05:14] <JaneW> fabbione: ok
[05:14] <fabbione> mdz: ok.. one second..
[05:15] <fabbione> mdz: we will stay with gcc-3.4 for breezy. 4.0 isn't ready yet and viceversa
[05:15] <mdz> we need to go much faster than this in order to get to everyone; 15 minutes per person will become a >2 hour meeting
[05:15] <mdz> everyone should have summaries prepared in advance\
[05:15] <fabbione> we are stabilizing via 2.6.12.X
[05:16] <fabbione> we are monitoring 3rd part drivers automatically
[05:16] <fabbione> we switched to HIGHMEM on i386 (no breakage reported)
[05:16] <fabbione> SMP/UP costs and different flavours reduction is deferred for several tech reasons.
[05:17] <fabbione> linux-non-supported-modules has been deferred for now
[05:17] <fabbione> new abichecker has been deferred. the actual one is still holding fine without major headackes.
[05:18] <fabbione> -dbg kernels has been implemented as "we ship debugging configs". we can't ship the binaries
[05:18] <fabbione> (150MB for each image is plain too much)
[05:18] <fabbione> we implemented the "linux" package for the arches where it can be done
[05:19] <fabbione> we deferred Debian <-> Ubuntu build system. Debian arrived a bit too late for breezy.
[05:19] <fabbione> We deferred the build of daily git snapshots. It was a low priority in any case
[05:19] <fabbione> we deferred the automatic build of 3rd part modules on abi changes. (still low priority)
[05:20] <fabbione> we implemented the notification applet on upgrades
[05:20] <fabbione> oh clearly.. new upstreams for everything has been done...
[05:20] <mdz> ok, that's everything from LKR right?
[05:20] <fabbione> and for some subsystems like alsa and acpi we are ahead of linus' tree
[05:20] <fabbione> yes
[05:21] <JaneW> shew, that's only 3 goals done
[05:21] <mdz> ok, great, thanks for the update
[05:21] <fabbione> i think you should skip goals details :)
[05:21] <mdz> fabbione: if a goal is only partially complete, we need the details
[05:22] <JaneW> fabbione: you are second on a few goals too, are the leads for those here?
[05:22] <mdz> but as I asked on the mailing list, everyone should be ready with an update so that we can go quickly
[05:22] <fabbione> JaneW: dunno..
[05:22] <JaneW> i.e. pitti, jbailey, daniels
[05:22] <jbailey> I'm here for NFSRoot
[05:22] <mdz> they should all be here
[05:23] <mdz> let's move on
[05:23] <fabbione> i think daniels is missing
[05:23] <JaneW> just daniels away I think
[05:23] <ogra> yup
[05:23] <mdz> JaneW: hmm? did daniels say he would not be here?
[05:23] <baggins> daniels was around a few minutes ago. i just spoke to him
[05:23] <fabbione> yes only daniels
[05:23] <ogra> (without fixing X for amd64 *whine*)
[05:23] <JaneW> XRoadmap
[05:23] <mdz> we'll have daniels give us that update
[05:24] <JaneW> ok
[05:24] <JaneW> thanks fabbione.
[05:24] <fabbione> JaneW: no problem :)
[05:24] <JaneW> ok Edubuntu - ogra
[05:24] <mdz> ogra: ready to go next?
[05:24] <ogra> yup
[05:24] <fabbione> i am back to do some cement :)
[05:24] <fabbione> cya guys
[05:24] <dholbach> fabbione: have fun :)
[05:24] <jsgotangco> hi all (arrived on time i guess)
[05:25] <ogra> edubuntu is WIP currently, a roadmap is here: http://edubuntu.org/EdubuntuOneDotZeroRoadmap
[05:26] <ogra> it will be ready for breezy...
[05:26] <pitti> well, I have serious issues with accepting MoinMoin and similar stuff to main...
[05:26] <mdz> what is done, and what remains to be done?
[05:26] <ogra> pitti, mediawiki
[05:26] <pitti> erm, mediawiki, right
[05:26] <mdz> the packages are not in main yet, and that is a major issue
[05:26] <pitti> I would *like* to see MoinMoin instead, sorry :-)
[05:26] <pitti> gcompris still needs some work
[05:26] <ogra> pitti its my fallback, but mark and we all commited o mediawiki
[05:26] <mdz> pitti: let's have that discussion at an edubuntu meeting
[05:26] <ogra> yup
[05:26] <pitti> sure
[05:27] <mdz> ogra: so what is complete so far with edubuntu?
[05:27] <JaneW> ogra: how sure are you that we'll have an installable CD by 11/08?
[05:27] <Kamion> note that cdimage only builds from main
[05:27] <ogra> JaneW, we already have a installable CD ...
[05:27] <ogra> yes i noted that :)
[05:27] <JaneW> ok... thought it was still broken
[05:28] <ogra> it is, but its installable
[05:28] <mdz> is it? xlibs was broken until today
[05:28] <ogra> and all isuus can be worked around as soon as the latest X is on the CD
[05:28] <mdz> X wasn't installable for me
[05:28] <ogra> mdz, yes
[05:28] <ogra> but i can install a system
[05:28] <JaneW> ok s/installable/fixed
[05:28] <mdz> installable = installable
[05:28] <mdz> if the installation fails, it isn't installable
[05:29] <ogra> it wont be fixed before the packages are all in main..
[05:29] <ogra> but it will be easy to work around that...
[05:29] <mdz> ogra: what we need is a very brief summary of what is done, and what remains to be done
[05:30] <ogra> since with the exeption of mediawiki all packages are there and instalable
[05:30] <mdz> we are not going into detail here; there is no time
[05:30] <mdz> we're trying to get an overview of all feature development
[05:31] <ogra> moving the packages to main, add the blacklist package, fix ldm, package the new teachertool.... build the custom config on top of the CD
[05:31] <ogra> ^^^ remains to be done
[05:31] <ogra> most of this i will have done before 11th
[05:31] <mdz> ogra: ok, and what has already been done over the past 3 months?
[05:32] <ogra> test the server setup collect the packages prepare custom ui changes for kde packages in gnome, build the seeds
[05:32] <ogra> build a CD
[05:33] <ogra> thats all... + a lot of discussions ...
[05:33] <mdz> the server setup and the ui changes are in breezy today?
[05:33] <ogra> moodle changes just uploaded....
[05:34] <ogra> schooltool doesnt ned changes, on the mediawiki packages i'm currently working
[05:34] <mdz> so only part of the changes then
[05:34] <ogra> and you know the ltsp status
[05:34] <mdz> ltsp is ThinClientIntegration, not edubuntu
[05:34] <ogra> yup... but a essential part of the server install
[05:35] <mdz> ok, anything else you would like to add about Edubuntu?
[05:35] <ogra> nope...
[05:35] <ogra> next topic ?
[05:35] <mdz> it sounds like most of the work still remains
[05:35] <JaneW> ok, are we moving down or doing all ogras goals?
[05:35] <mdz> JaneW: ogra
[05:35] <JaneW> ok
[05:35] <JaneW> edubuntu has been a lot of discussing and trying different things
[05:36] <ogra> audio CD burning... ?
[05:36] <JaneW> yes
[05:36] <ogra> serpentine is in main and used by gnome volume manager, upstream is QA contactfor all bugs, it is tested and implemented
[05:36] <mdz> AudioCDBurning is done, move on
[05:37] <mdz> ContentFiltering
[05:38] <mdz> ogra: ContentFiltering?
[05:38] <ogra> is a part of edubuntu.... squidguard moves to main, squid already is and i'll make a default blacklist package this weekend from the default blacklists squidguard upstream offers
[05:38] <ogra> there is no gui or something to change the blacklists ...
[05:38] <mdz> none of those have been done yet
[05:39] <ogra> squidguard is on the main inclusion list for edubuntu
[05:39] <mdz> and the issues with configuring squidguard to integrate with squid are unresolved
[05:39] <mdz> this is not going to make feature freeze
[05:39] <ogra> err, why ? is moving a package to main a feature ?
[05:40] <mdz> JaneW: please keep a list of items where we need to take a decision on whether to continue development past feature freeze or defer it to breezy+1
[05:40] <ogra> its only the moiving of squidguard
[05:40] <mdz> ogra`there is a lot more to this feature than putting a package in main, and you nkow that
[05:40] <mdz> this is documented in the spec
[05:40] <mdz> ogra: PowerManagementConfiguration?
[05:40] <ogra> mdz, you mean transparent proxying ?
[05:41] <ogra> power management is WIP
[05:41] <JaneW> mdz: ok...
[05:41] <JaneW> mdz: is edubuntu included there..?
[05:41] <ogra> gnome-power is packaged in a version we wont use, upstream worked a lot for us to prepare the packages for ubuntu
[05:42] <mdz> JaneW: yes, though we have no choice in the matter (but it should get further attention)
[05:42] <JaneW> ok
[05:42] <ogra> the new packages are prepared but need essential functions from the new dbus we dont have yet
[05:42] <mdz> we took a decision two weeks ago to bring in the new dbus; what happened?
[05:42] <ogra> nothing yet... daniels was busy with X
[05:43] <mdz> ogra: daniels is not the only one who can update the package; if you are blocked on something for two weeks then we need to consider alternatives
[05:43] <ogra> ok
[05:44] <mdz> JaneW: add PowerManagementConfiguration to the review list
[05:44] <ogra> my fault then... i thought we'd wait for the maintainer....
[05:44] <mdz> ogra: GraphicalConfigTools?
[05:45] <ogra> is done by my SoC student, he wrote a little tool for ndiswrapper to select .inf files and has a scheduler frontend as WIP that he didnt show me yet
[05:45] <JaneW> done
[05:45] <ogra> the ndis tool needs some package corrections... but can be uploaded soon
[05:46] <mdz> there is much more in the spec, and there was more in his SoC proposal
[05:46] <mdz> are those the only pieces he has worked on?
[05:46] <ogra> yup
[05:46] <mdz> password changing?
[05:46] <ogra> is upstream in gnome now
[05:46] <seb128> g-c-c has the "about-me" capplet
[05:46] <ogra> as well as the services editor
[05:46] <mdz> ok
[05:46] <ogra> so there was not much left
[05:46] <ogra> he tried to make te best out of it :)
[05:47] <mdz> ok, I think that's all for ogra
[05:47] <JaneW> will it be done in time?
[05:47] <mdz> JaneW: it seems clear that it won't make feature freeze
[05:47] <ogra> JaneW, nope...
[05:47] <mdz> mjg59: are you here?
[05:47] <ogra> JaneW, both are good candidates to move from universe to main in breezy+1
[05:47] <JaneW> :(
[05:48] <ogra> but they'll be available in universe at least
[05:48] <mdz> LaptopMission is primarily a testing/bugfixing target, but according to the information I have seen the laptops will be in the hands of testers close to feature freeze
[05:48] <ogra> JaneW, the important stuff we wanted happened upstream anyway
[05:48] <mdz> so we should get a full test cycle out of them
[05:48] <mdz> Kamion: you're up, starting with OEMInstaller
[05:49] <Kamion> OEMInstaller needs a few important bug fixes (locale/keyboard configuration mostly), and a bunch of UI fixes (primarily making it all a single window rather than a bunch of dialogs that bounce around your screen)
[05:49] <Kamion> and we need to get test CDs going for it to test the base-config integration properly
[05:49] <Kamion> but the guts of it are done
[05:50] <mdz> at feature freeze, will we have something we can ask OEMs to test?
[05:50] <Kamion> I think so, yes
[05:50] <mdz> Kamion: what are the remaining blockers for installable CDs now that X should be fixed?
[05:50] <mjg59> mdz: Hello
[05:51] <mdz> we should get a Colony release together as close to feature freeze as we can
[05:51] <Kamion> language-support-en is uninstallable
[05:51] <Kamion> which is bad
[05:51] <Kamion> apart from that, basically anything on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/report.html is an issue
[05:51] <mdz> pitti: ?
[05:52] <Kamion> today's i386 CD is in reasonable shape as far as the first stage goes
[05:52] <pitti> I wasn't aware of that, I'll look into it ASAP
[05:52] <seb128> Kamion, mdz: the GNOME stuff on this list are waiting on a buildd guy to push a retry
[05:53] <Kamion> I would like everyone to keep an eye on http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/testing/breezy_probs.html and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/report.html on a fairly regular basis
[05:53] <mdz> aren't things retried after several hours anyway?
[05:53] <Kamion> my busyness levels are too high at the moment for me to be able to monitor it and prod everyone
[05:54] <mdz> ok
[05:54] <mdz> we need someone to take ownership of getting these issues solved, then
[05:54] <seb128> mdz: dunno, I've uploaded gimp yesterday and there is no sign of a build try ... since the previous version was FTFBSing on aalib name change I guess the buildds are waiting for something
[05:54] <Kamion> language-support-* is in pretty bad shape apparently, in fact
[05:54] <seb128> and other builds need a retry for libgphoto2
[05:54] <mdz> seb128: will you chase down the uninstallables and report back to me?
[05:54] <mdz> you seem to have investigated many of them already
[05:55] <Kamion> breezy.all.i386:graphics/gimp_2.2.8-2ubuntu3: Dep-Wait by buildd+terranova [optional:out-of-date]
[05:55] <seb128> mdz: yep, I'm tracking them
[05:55] <pitti> Kamion: ok, I'll fix it soon
[05:55] <Kamion> it's dep-wait on aalib1-dev, probably needs a buildd maintainer to clear it
[05:55] <mdz> Kamion,jbailey: BrandingForDerivatives
[05:56] <JaneW> mdz: mvo...
[05:56] <Kamion> d-i build time lsb-release done, many debconf templates in the installer done (and more done upstream that aren't merged yet), more still to do
[05:56] <mdz> JaneW: he's next once Kamion is finished
[05:56] <jbailey> mdz: gconf maintainer has accepted my patch, gnome will come easily after this.
[05:56] <Kamion> cleaning that up is pretty much my top or second-top priority for the next week
[05:56] <JaneW> oh sorry I mis-read
[05:56] <Kamion> I don't think we're going to get all of the branding removed by feature freeze; I'm concentrating on templates in the default install path
[05:57] <Kamion> but, it's not in too bad shape I think
[05:57] <mdz> template changes are fairly non-intrusive, they can continue past feature freeze if necessary
[05:57] <mdz> what about the artwork/defaults/etc. non-installer stuff?
[05:58] <Kamion> I also have to get choose-mirror selecting the default suite using lsb-release
[05:58] <Kamion> that's on the list for early next week
[05:58] <jbailey> I've uploaded the gconf change now to Ubuntu, which lets me do all of gnome.
[05:59] <mdz> the spec includes GDM theme, gnome splash, wallpaper, browser homepage,, browser bookmarks, gnome theme...
[05:59] <mdz> "About Ubuntu"
[05:59] <dholbach> xscreensaver, update-manager?
[05:59] <seb128> dholbach: gnome-screensaver you mean? :p
[05:59] <Kamion> as long as all those are in the *-artwork package, it's fine
[05:59] <ogra> dholbach, gnome-screensaver
[05:59] <mdz> Kamion: they aren't
[05:59] <dholbach> seb128, ogra: ok
[05:59] <Kamion> right, some of them are though
[06:00] <mdz> jbailey: how many of those things can I re-brand easily in breezy today?
[06:00] <Kamion> the spec is not as clearly laid out as it might have been :(
[06:00] <jbailey> mdz: Not many, the gconf change was uploaded this morning.
[06:00] <mdz> JaneW: ->review list, we need to keep moving
[06:00] <seb128> with the gconf that's just a matter to make a branding package writting gconf default values
[06:00] <JaneW> mdz: ok
[06:01] <seb128> s/the gconf/the gconf changes/
[06:01] <ogra> edubuntu can be a good test candidate here
[06:01] <jbailey> mdz: Replacing ubuntu-artwork is doable now, but it doesn't make it easy to change theming and such. The gconf change allows you to select a theme other than 'Human' and such.
[06:02] <mdz> Kamion: GraphicalInstaller, insofar as it has technical requirements, seems to be completed; is there anything remaining to be done?
[06:02] <Kamion> mdz: GraphicalInstaller evolved into a spec saying "put the base system on the live CD"
[06:02] <Kamion> mdz: I've done the cdimage changes required to do that, but the last time I mentioned it to you you said there wouldn't be space
[06:03] <mdz> JaneW: please move GraphicalInstaller to low priority; it's always been amorphous
[06:03] <JaneW> mdz: ok
[06:03] <mdz> Kamion: MountingHDDFilesystems?
[06:03] <Kamion> I think if UbuntuExpress arrives we can experiment with flipping that switch, otherwise we can ignore it
[06:03] <Kamion> MountingHDDFilesystems install side done; as for the live side we can either do it the quick way or the right way
[06:04] <mdz> JaneW: ->review list, Kamion and I need to talk about this more
[06:04] <Kamion> I have the supporting code for it, but mdz asked me to move some of the code into os-prober
[06:04] <mdz> Kamion: InstallerSimpleResize?
[06:04] <Kamion> which I haven't had time to do; we'll talk about this later I think
[06:05] <Kamion> InstallerSimpleResize done except for corner cases, namely large mostly-empty partitions and weird PC partition table handling (primary/logical partitions)
[06:05] <Kamion> I haven't looked at those since the initial implementation
[06:06] <mdz> so for the common case of one large Windows partition, it works?
[06:06] <mdz> that's 98% of what we need from it
[06:06] <Kamion> right ...
[06:07] <Kamion> needs more testing of course, resizing partitions is always hairy
[06:07] <mdz> yes, that works?
[06:07] <Kamion> last time I tried it, that worked
[06:07] <mdz> Kamion: InstallerStage2Progress: I uploaded the necessary apt changes yesterday, and I think mvo has made further fixes since then
[06:07] <Kamion> yes, that's just waiting for everything to trickle through the archive to my test system so that I can test base-config before upload
[06:08] <mvo> mdz: yes, uploaded apt, aptitude and python-apt this morning. should work fine now
[06:08] <mdz> iirc, it was working for you with local builds containing the patches
[06:08] <mdz> ok
[06:08] <Kamion> it's done bar the shouting
[06:08] <mdz> the best bits of PackageSelection are done, the rest is deferred
[06:08] <mdz> I think that's all for Kamion
[06:09] <Kamion> livecdprompts and oemrescue have been deferred
[06:09] <mdz> we'll be skipping most low priority stuff for this meeting
[06:09] <Kamion> what's the state of apt automark?
[06:09] <mdz> otherwise we'll be here all day and all night
[06:09] <Kamion> I saw some of that in changelogs
[06:09] <mdz> Kamion: mvo has a branch; I don't think it would be wise to land it in breezy
[06:10] <mdz> and mvo is up next
[06:10] <Kamion> ok
[06:10] <dholbach> if you're talking about automatic removal - it works nicely for me...
[06:10] <mvo> Kamion: I have a implementation based on aptitudes mark-n-sweep but it got very little testing so far
[06:10] <JaneW> Kamion: please send deferred bits to me, for recording
[06:10] <Kamion> dholbach: no, different thing
[06:10] <dholbach> Kamion: ok, thanks
[06:10] <mdz> mvo: FindingPackages
[06:10] <mvo> Niran (SoC student) is working on it, improved gnome-app-install nearly ready
[06:10] <mvo> (goal 1 of the spec), depends on python-apt 0.6.13 (uploaded today)
[06:10] <mvo> No launchpad/mozilla integration yet (goal2)
[06:10] <mvo> No mime-type information yet (goal3)
[06:10] <JaneW> are we there yet?
[06:11] <mdz> mvo: how does it look? is it going to make feature freeze?
[06:11] <mvo> mdz: goal1 yes. it's mostly done, I will upload it ASAP
[06:11] <mdz> is the launchpad portion blocked on launchpad or blocked on the student?
[06:11] <mvo> mdz: on the student
[06:12] <mdz> ok
[06:12] <mdz> JaneW: ->review list, please
[06:12] <JaneW> ok
[06:12] <mvo> but he said he'll move to launchpad now and send a mail to the launchpad list
[06:12] <mvo> pt support for translated package descriptions is needed to have a 100% localizable interface. Support for that is in my apt--ddtp tree (and the package descriptions are in rosetta). apt--ddtp needs to be merged into apt and it needs a lot of testing.
[06:12] <mdz> mvo: NetworkWideUpdates seems problematic; there are some tricky packaging/policy issues to solve
[06:12] <mvo> s/pt/apt
[06:12] <mdz> I think it would be best if we defer it
[06:13] <mvo> mdz: I uploaded a 0.1.1 in the archive. it shifts all dirty stuff to the "apu-data" package that the admin has to build himself (with a command)
[06:13] <mvo> my vote would be to move it to universe and see what people think about it
[06:13] <mdz> it would be better to take our time and consider and discuss these issues than to rush something in
[06:13] <mvo> mdz: ok
[06:13] <JaneW> should I move it to deferred?
[06:13] <mdz> mvo: LanguageSelector?
[06:13] <mdz> JaneW: yes
[06:14] <mvo> LanguageSelector:
[06:14] <mvo> In the archive, but needs to be ported to the new langpack structure
[06:14] <mvo> that entered the archive today
[06:14] <mdz> mvo: what is the name of the package? it doesn't seem to be in desktop yet
[06:14] <mvo> language-selector
[06:14] <ogra> looks good :)
[06:14] <mdz> mvo: please seed it, get it in front of users for testing
[06:14] <mvo> mdz: ok
[06:15] <mdz> you have a good start on PackageDependencyManagement, but I think we need to more thoroughly consider the interactions with frontends, etc.
[06:15] <mdz> e.g., gnome-app-install
[06:16] <dholbach> doesnt that use synaptic as a back-end anyways?
[06:16] <mdz> it used apt-get the last time I looked at it
[06:16] <ogra> dholbach, thats a big overhead
[06:16] <mvo> g-a-i uses synaptic as backend
[06:17] <mdz> JaneW: ->review list, mvo and I need to discuss whether this can land for breezy
[06:17] <mvo> and synaptic supports automatic dependency managment (if apt supports it)
[06:17] <JaneW> ok
[06:17] <mdz> I'll go next
[06:17] <mvo> mdz: I think testing is the critical bit here
[06:17] <mdz> ThinClientIntegration needs to be brought back into line after some bitrot; unionfs broke it, have a patch, will get it in today
[06:17] <mvo> translated package descriptions are somewhat releated to FindingPackages. without them we'll not have translated long descriptions
[06:17] <mdz> need to upload the server-side configuration infrastructure which I have locall,y to provide a default dhcp config
[06:18] <ogra> yay
[06:18] <mdz> should have everything bu tNAT landed by feature freeze
[06:18] <mdz> and the issues there are starting to come together
[06:18] <mdz> LTSPXorgConfiguration covers the common cases; not all of the overrides work yet but that's mostly bugs
[06:19] <JaneW> mdz: do we need more text in the notes section there?
[06:19] <mdz> UbuntuExpress should have juanje as lead now; I couldn't keep on it
[06:19] <ogra> :(
[06:19] <mdz> JaneW: basically what I said above should go there
[06:19] <JaneW> mdz: must I change ubuntu express to Juanje?
[06:19] <JaneW> mdz: ok
[06:20] <mdz> the only part of LiveCDFeatures likely to land is adding unionfs as an option for COW
[06:20] <mdz> which would be a nice performance boost, and would allow us to take a decision later about which one to use as default
[06:20] <mdz> I hope to push that in over the weekend
[06:20] <mdz> the rest is deferred
[06:21] <mdz> ReleaseCycle is done, but we'll see at the end what the issues are
[06:21] <mdz> that's it for me
[06:21] <mdz> seb128: you're next, starting with LaunchpadIntegration
[06:21] <seb128> jamesh has written launchpad-integration library/tools. The lib is used by apps with GtkUIManager or custom menus and most of those have been packaged. Some apps use libbonobo, sivang is working on that and said he will have this ready for tomorrow. I'll keep patching other apps for the freeze.
[06:21] <mdz> seb128: do you have a count of the number of apps which need patching?
[06:22] <seb128> there is ~30 packages to patch, ~10 have been uploaded, I've some patches on my disk and sivang is working on some others
[06:22] <mdz> from here, the status of LI should be N/M packages done
[06:22] <mdz> since the infrastructure seems to work well
[06:23] <mdz> ok, thanks
[06:23] <mdz> seb128: VideoPlaybackRoadmap, your portion of this was killed by upstream right?
[06:23] <seb128> patches are quite easy to do, the desktop should be patched for feature freeze
[06:23] <seb128> GNOME 2.12 will still use gstreamer0.8 and not 0.9, the packages are update. The A/V issues are due to esdsink but we are stucked with that (cf AudioInfrastructure). Ask daniels for xine
[06:23] <seb128> yep
[06:23] <mdz> JaneW: ->review list, need to talk to daniels
[06:24] <JaneW> ok
[06:24] <mdz> panel enhancements?
[06:24] <seb128> google bounty. Emmanuel has made patches for gnome-menus/"RootRequired" (mask entries to non authorized users) and for the "add to panel" new design. These can/will be pushed before feature freeze.
[06:24] <mdz> MenuEditor?
[06:24] <seb128> gnome-menus has one but too simple so we are switching to smeg. It's packaged and quite used since hoary. I've modified gnome-panel to use it before the gnome-menus one if available and Amaranth has made a wiki page to move the package to main.
[06:24] <seb128> just pending the main approval
[06:24] <mdz> seb128: you seeded it already?
[06:25] <mdz> if not, please seed it
[06:25] <seb128> nop, should that be done before the approval?
[06:25] <seb128> k
[06:25] <mdz> seb128: yes, I look for the reports when moving the packages to main
[06:25] <mdz> (which I only do if they are seeded)
[06:25] <mdz> ToggleDesktopModes?
[06:25] <seb128> sabayon packaged and working fine ... when it's not borked by Xnest which is the case atm
[06:25] <mdz> is it something we should install by default?
[06:25] <seb128> daniels said he'll fix Xnest with next xorg update
[06:25] <seb128> no
[06:25] <mdz> seb128: the one which went in today, or the next one?
[06:26] <seb128> next one, he forgot for this one
[06:26] <mdz> ogra: sabayon by default for edubuntu perhaps? let's discuss later
[06:26] <ogra> mdz, yes !
[06:26] <seb128> that's not really an user tool, so not really useful for a desktop installation
[06:26] <ogra> seb128, ltsp classroom install
[06:26] <mdz> seb128: that's all for you, right?
[06:27] <ogra> seb128, its perfect ;)
[06:27] <seb128> FileManagerImprovement: spec quite "light", some of the changes have been made upstream. The set of desktop folders is still on the list of stuff to do.
[06:27] <seb128> too
[06:27] <mdz> seb128: oh, sabdfl gave me some items related to that which we need to discuss
[06:27] <seb128> ok
[06:27] <mdz> JaneW: please make a note for me/seb128 to discuss
[06:28] <mdz> seb128: thanks for the fast updates :-)
[06:28] <mdz> pitti: ready?
[06:28] <JaneW> ok
[06:28] <seb128> np :)
[06:28] <pitti> mdz: yes
[06:28] <pitti> AudioInfrastructure?
[06:28] <pitti> the goals page is quite verbose, but I'll summarize here:
[06:28] <pitti> dmix, esd tweaks, default card selector are done
[06:28] <pitti> according to fabbione, the OSS kernel hack is impossible, but we don't really need that anyway
[06:28] <mdz> pitti: so we must still use esd even though we have dmix? dmix allows video playback to work much better
[06:28] <pitti> I did quite some hackign on polypaudio, but it's still too buggy, so we'll stay with esd for Breezy
[06:29] <pitti> mdz: the problem is in the driver, dmix doesn't work for too many sound cards
[06:29] <seb128> pitti: you ruin my VideoPlayback with esd :p
[06:29] <mdz> hm, ok
[06:29] <pitti> for those it does work with, direct gstreamer -> alsa output works fine
[06:29] <pitti> so people that dmix works for can just switch
[06:29] <mdz> JaneW: BluetoothSupport is chmj's now
[06:29] <mdz> pitti: langpacks?
[06:29] <pitti> but we shouldn't break aaudio completely for the cards it doesn'T work
[06:30] <JaneW> yes
[06:30] <pitti> the only blocker for audio is the inotify break on powerpc to get the hoplug response, but I'm sure we can settle that in the next week.
[06:30] <pitti> and I need to do some backend cleanup with jdthood, but no major issues
[06:30] <pitti> above issues will be ready by next week
[06:30] <pitti> langpacks:
[06:30] <pitti> new set of kde/gnome/other split langpacks were uploaded today, kde/gnome are in the NEW queue. Most pacakges now generate a POT file, some of them still need to be fixed, but that's easy (just takes some work). The
[06:31] <mdz> pitti: still no rosetta exports?
[06:31] <pitti> one outstanding thing is the OO.o/Ffox integration; I think we can manage to export PO files from moz/tbird/ffox for rosetta import for feature freeze, but I doubt
[06:31] <pitti> that I can manage to get the rosetta->langpack direction working in one week
[06:31] <pitti> mdz: no, I got some broken breezy and hoary tarballs for testing, but they were all unusable
[06:31] <mdz> pitti: rosetta problems, or langpack problems?
[06:31] <mdz> rosett problems, then
[06:31] <pitti> I sent carlos and daf some information about the bugs
[06:31] <pitti> mdz: yes, rosetta output is flawed
[06:31] <pitti> mdz: so by now I'm using my own scripts
[06:31] <mdz> JaneW: ->I need to liaise with launchpad on this
[06:31] <pitti> (I'm glad that I have them :-/ )
[06:32] <JaneW> ok
[06:32] <mdz> pitti: printingroadmap seems to need to be deferred
[06:32] <pitti> moz/ooo integration is primarily a time issue
[06:32] <mdz> the one piece of that which I think we should attempt is hplip support out of the box
[06:32] <pitti> mdz: yes, there was a guy who wanted to work on it, but he's quiet
[06:32] <mdz> now that it is derooted we should be able to add it to desktop
[06:32] <pitti> I thought it doesn't work for many printers?
[06:32] <mdz> it works great for me
[06:33] <mdz> let's discuss it later
[06:33] <pitti> yes
[06:33] <mdz> automatedproblemreports -> deferred, yes?
[06:33] <pitti> yes, ENOTIME
[06:33] <pitti> sorry, but I ahve to do so many security updates recently that I couln't catch up
[06:33] <mdz> ProactiveSecurityRoadmap is not going to be fully completed, but a lot of good things from it landed already
[06:33] <pitti> there is some toy package, but nothing we can actually use
[06:33] <pitti> derooting stuff, and inetd killing is done the kernel enhancements are bountied to trulux, but that will make it at most to universe for breezy, he is on vac right now
[06:33] <doko> pitti: only scanning doesn't work for me
[06:34] <mdz> ok
[06:34] <pitti> SSP has finally be accepted upstream, so we should attempt to use it in Breezy+1; it was never attempted to be used in breezy anyway, it was only mentioned in "things we would like in the future"
[06:34] <mdz> jbailey: ready?
[06:34] <mdz> pitti: thanks for the updates
[06:34] <jbailey> mdz: Yup
[06:34] <doko> mdz: about printingroadmap: gs-esp was 8.15 was released last week (we still have 7.07)
[06:34] <jbailey> EarlyUserspace:
[06:34] <jbailey> Building the new DSDT patch for the kernel as we speak. Once this is done, will ask Fabio to make this the default. Have only had 2 responses to the call for testers, time for tough love.
[06:35] <doko> pitti: that would require gcc-4.1 to be the standard compiler?
[06:35] <mdz> please don't wait for DSDT; make it the default now
[06:35] <pitti> doko: I guess so, let's talk about it later
[06:35] <jbailey> the DSDT patch right now works for initramfs, but doesn't work for the old initrd cases (segfault at startup)
[06:35] <mdz> that's a corner case
[06:35] <jbailey> Okay.
[06:35] <mdz> get that in today if at all possible
[06:35] <jbailey> 'k
[06:35] <jbailey> FormalTestPlans:
[06:35] <jbailey> Nothing written down yet =( Will need to just lock myself away from IRC for 3 or 4 hours to do a brain dump and then post a public call for feedback.
[06:36] <mdz> jbailey: please put together a timeline for it; we have time since it isn't freeze-relevant, but we should definitely do something for breezy
[06:36] <ogra> jbailey, i still have the drafts from amu's gnoppix testplans anywhere around
[06:36] <mdz> we should have a plan to do a large formal test cycle with the community based on a test plan
[06:36] <mdz> JaneW: ->review, jbailey and I should discuss
[06:36] <JaneW> ok
[06:36] <jbailey> NFSRoot:
[06:36] <jbailey> Done, just waiting on EarlyUserspace to become default before it's marked as such.
[06:37] <mdz> ok
[06:37] <mdz> calendaringsync?
[06:37] <jbailey> Calendaring Synchronisation:
[06:37] <jbailey> There have been lots of pings on the upstream evolution ical/HTML upload bounty from others with no real response. Need to verify that multisync works with the latest evolutions. As it says in the spec, this is mostly a post-breezy item.
[06:37] <mdz> looks deferable
[06:37] <mdz> JaneW: ->deferred
[06:37] <JaneW> ok
[06:37] <mdz> we already covered branding
[06:37] <jbailey> I have toolchainroadmap notes when doko's up
[06:37] <mdz> ok
[06:37] <mdz> dholbach: ready?
[06:37] <dholbach> yes
[06:38] <dholbach> ExpadingUniverse was accelerated a bit by REVU, we're reviewing now at a faster pace and there are a lot of interesting packages out there that will soon make it in
[06:38] <dholbach> we also established review days where we need more helpers - apart from me there are only a few reviewers who think of this as a worthwhile thing
[06:38] <dholbach> apt-get.org review/import hasn't started yet, but as i suggested in a mail, we should start on it in 4 weeks, because packages maintained directly in ubuntu matter to a higher extent
[06:38] <jbailey> And myubuntu is deferred, but I have a pile of notes for it for later. =)
[06:38] <mdz> dholbach: where does it stand with respect to feature freeze?
[06:38] <ogra> mdz, bad....
[06:38] <mdz> jbailey: thanks, let's talk soon
[06:38] <dholbach> as i'm stilly busy with my thesis i can't do as much as i liked
[06:38] <dholbach> i'll be finished in 3-4 weeks :(
[06:38] <mdz> ok
[06:38] <dholbach> but i will do everything i can afterwards
[06:38] <mdz> we can continue to bring new packages into universe well past feature freeze
[06:39] <dholbach> thanks
[06:39] <ogra> mdz, we have still many items on te lists... the different transitions costed more time this time
[06:39] <mdz> but things should be in motion with tools, processes, etc. before feature freeze
[06:39] <mdz> we should have a list of packages to review
[06:39] <mdz> dholbach: is that achievable?
[06:39] <dholbach> are you talking about apt-get.org?
[06:39] <mdz> yes
[06:39] <dholbach> i'll work on it
[06:39] <dholbach> so yes
[06:40] <mdz> ok
[06:40] <dholbach> on graphicalpartitioing tool
[06:40] <dholbach> GraphicalPartitioningTool: daniel elstner implemented all the items on the spec but struggles with mount points and the actually allocated device names after the partitioning
[06:40] <dholbach> he got ill in between, but he just wrote a mail to jane, mattand the ubuntu-express guys
[06:40] <dholbach> i talked to Kamion and he signaled, he'd be alright with cooking a plan up together with him
[06:40] <mdz> I just sa his status update today
[06:40] <dholbach> alright
[06:40] <mdz> apparently he was sick for three weeks??
[06:40] <dholbach> yes :(
[06:40] <dholbach> but he wants to make it all happen
[06:40] <mdz> well, he has 6 days to make it happen :-)
[06:41] <dholbach> as i said the montpoint issue is just missing
[06:41] <mdz> dholbach: anything else?
[06:41] <Kamion> dholbach's going to get him to mail me, I'm out this evening and Saturday and possibly Sunday but will reply ASAP next week
[06:41] <dholbach> he had a solution in place which didnt cover corner cases, so he'll discuss with kamion
[06:41] <dholbach> mdz: that's it
[06:41] <mdz> dholbach: thanks
[06:41] <mdz> doko: ready?
[06:41] <doko> yes
[06:42] <mdz> openofficelocalisation?
[06:42] <doko> OO localization
[06:42] <doko> - Milestone 121 is uploaded, existing Ubuntu xhosa translation is integrated in OOo2. Extraction and Update of language data technically works.
[06:42] <doko> - Duplication of package source (one source to build the binaries from (including en-US), one package to build all other ooo2-l10n packages from) is WIP. Adds the size of the OOo2 source package to the archives, no new binary packages.
[06:42] <doko> - Clarifying the rosetta interface with carlos, implementation plan is currently beeing worked on.
[06:42] <doko> - Putting/getting the localization data in chunks handable by Rosetta is WIP.
[06:42] <doko> - I expect to have the WIP done until Tuesday.
[06:42] <doko> - Testing the Rosetta interfacing needs to be defined/done.
[06:42] <mdz> doko: so which parts will make feature freeze?
[06:43] <doko> The package split, and the import export bits.
[06:43] <mdz> ok
[06:43] <mdz> toolchain?
[06:43] <doko> - Mostly done.
[06:43] <doko> - Biarch support is currently done by jbailey.
[06:43] <doko> - TODO: on i386 build lib64 packages for ncurses, zlib to remove amd64-libs
[06:43] <doko> - TODO: on amd64, reduce ia32-libs (who, Mithrandir?)
[06:43] <doko> - C++ ABI change: Resyncing library packages back from unstable, at least in
[06:43] <doko> those cases, where Debian did choose another package name, is WIP.
[06:43] <jbailey> ToolchainRoadmap:
[06:43] <jbailey> Solved the biarch blocker this morning. Doing test builds now. If it works, will hand to lamfinity for the usually binary upload dance for i386/amd64 and amd64/i386 right after that.
[06:43] <doko> last point is ongoing work
[06:43] <doko> jbailey: nice
[06:44] <mdz> anything to be deferred to breezy+1?
[06:44] <doko> no, Java is another topic
[06:44] <mdz> so all TODOs will be completed by the 11th?
[06:45] <doko> don't know about th ia32-libs. I won't have much time
[06:45] <mdz> Mithrandir will be working on it for oo.o2-amd64
[06:45] <jbailey> ia32-libs is hard because it cotains a pile of stuff like egcs
[06:45] <doko> but that should not be critical
[06:45] <mdz> so you can hand off that piece to him perhaps
[06:46] <mdz> doko: NetworkAuthentication?
[06:46] <doko> yes, everything else should be done, if jbailey confirms biarch
[06:46] <mdz> it says the work will go into breezy, but it is still pending (i.e., no work in progress?)
[06:46] <doko> mdz: waiting on feedback from my second. I currently doubt, that the basic support does make sense on its own. will update, when I get feedback
[06:47] <mdz> ok
[06:47] <mdz> JaneW: ->review, please
[06:47] <JaneW> ok
[06:47] <mdz> doko: oo.o2?
[06:47] <doko> - working m121 packages for i386 and powerpc.
[06:47] <doko> - OpenOffice2: upstream did announce beta 2 for August
[06:47] <doko> - currently very experimental amd64 packages, based on m121, don't build directly from source.
[06:47] <doko> - Compilation of java code to native code works, but not usable (startup errors). Supposed to work on RH4.
[06:48] <mdz> are there any specific featurefreeze items besides amd64 support, which Mithrandir said he will complete?
[06:48] <doko> for OOo2? not that I know of
[06:48] <mdz> ok, so it's completed pending tollef's work
[06:48] <mdz> doko: anything else?
[06:48] <doko> the Java thing should not be considered for FeatureFreeze, it's an optimization
[06:48] <doko> yes, SoC
[06:49] <doko> Zope: latest date for bringing Zope/Plone into main?
[06:49] <doko> Python: I don't have an status update for the last two weeks
[06:49] <mdz> doko: python = pythonmodulepackaging, yes?
[06:50] <doko> mdz: yes, the PyPi bits.
[06:50] <mdz> doko: what are the blockers for zope/plone? can it be done for featurefreeze?
[06:50] <doko> mdz: packages can be done for FeatureFreeze, we can consider the remaining things as testing and adding more package (to universe only)
[06:51] <mdz> doko: ok, make sure you seed early to allow time for any new main inclusion reports for dependencies, etc.
[06:51] <doko> mdz: ok
[06:51] <mdz> doko: thanks for the updates
[06:51] <mdz> chmj is not here?
[06:51] <ogra> doesnt look like
[06:51] <mdz> JaneW: do you know his situation?
[06:51] <JaneW> he sent an e-mail the other day
[06:51] <JaneW> checking...
[06:52] <JaneW> smae one he sent you mdz
[06:52] <JaneW> same
[06:53] <mdz> yes, there were some deliverables on that which haven't happened yet
[06:53] <mdz> JaneW: ->review, we need to find some time to talk "live"
[06:53] <JaneW> ok
[06:54] <mdz> infinity is not here
[06:54] <mdz> JaneW: did you hear anything from him?
[06:54] <mdz> Riddell: ready?
[06:54] <JaneW> no haven;t heard from him for a while
[06:55] <Riddell> hi
[06:55] <mdz> JaneW: sounds like we need to schedule a second meeting for .au
[06:55] <Riddell> KDE 3.4.2 mostly in but kdebase and dependencies awaiting xmkmf
[06:55] <Riddell> Working with upstream on guidance configuration tools, libpythonise issues mean not quite working
[06:55] <Kamion> it's sucky-time in Australia, and they didn't find out that they needed to cancel things they were doing on Friday night until Friday morning
[06:55] <JaneW> mdz: yes
[06:56] <jsgotangco> sure its 3am heh
[06:56] <Riddell> KubuntuPackageManger, Ept Package manager underway, working with Peter Rockai
[06:56] <mdz> JaneW: can you arrange it? I'm flexible
[06:56] <Riddell> first screenshot from a few hours ago http://beleriand.mornfall.net/~mornfall/ept-testing-ui-2.png
[06:56] <JaneW> ok
[06:56] <Riddell> Simplified Konqueror and Control Centre in (konqueror bug waiting on kdebase updates)
[06:57] <mdz> Riddell: kiosk mode?
[06:57] <Riddell> Need to update kde-style-lipstik to fix toolbar issue, need to get approval for upload
[06:57] <mdz> Riddell: is there any clarity on the KDE release schedule wrt breezy?
[06:57] <Riddell> mdz: kiosktool is in but needs fixes for not having a root password
[06:58] <Riddell> mdz: KDE 3.4.3 expected to come out but no schedule yet. 3.5 too late for breezy
[06:58] <mdz> ok
[06:58] <Riddell> Documentation under way but slowly due to no installable CDs
[06:58] <mdz> Riddell: are you tracking installation issues for the kubuntu CDs?
[06:58] <Riddell> mostly it's X
[06:59] <mdz> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/report.html
[06:59] <mdz> looks like mostly overlap with ubuntu
[06:59] <pitti> Hi Kronoss
[06:59] <Riddell> and openoffice as well last I tried (late last week)
[06:59] <Kronoss> hi
[06:59] <mdz> Riddell: please work with seb128 to review the installability issues
[06:59] <Riddell> ok
[07:00] <mdz> installable CDs are a must for feature freeze
[07:00] <mdz> Riddell: anything else?
[07:00] <Riddell> Language packs, pitti has uploaded
[07:00] <Riddell> various packages due to be main approved
[07:00] <mdz> Riddell: are you keeping the kubuntu seeds in sync with the ubuntu seeds where they overlap? I had been merging them from time to time ,but haven't done it in a while and it makes more sense for you to handle it
[07:00] <doko> Riddell: openoffice, not openoffice2?
[07:00] <mdz> I just baz merge it, and then read through the changes and edit as appropriate
[07:01] <Riddell> doko: openoffice2
[07:01] <Riddell> mdz: I have done syncing but havn't look at it in a while, I'll mind and do that
[07:01] <mdz> ok
[07:01] <mdz> have we missed anyone?
[07:01] <ogra> mono ?
[07:02] <pitti> Kronoss maybe?
[07:02] <JaneW> mjg59 was here earlier...
[07:02] <Kronoss> what?
[07:02] <JaneW> Mithrandir: ?
[07:02] <Kamion> mdz: I've generally been merging changes from Ubuntu to Kubuntu and Edubuntu where they're critical for CDs to work (i.e. kernel ABI changes, pretty much)
[07:02] <pitti> Kronoss: can you please give us a short status report about your bounty?
[07:03] <Kamion> that happens sufficiently often that it's provided reasonable coverage
[07:03] <pitti> Kronoss: will anything be ready by the feature freeze next thursday?
[07:03] <Kronoss> i have done the fstab interface and some of the libs, ihave to connecto this
[07:03] <mdz> ogra: you should be merging edubuntu regularly as well
[07:03] <mdz> the more often it is done, the easier the merges (especially when they block CD builds)
[07:03] <ogra> mdz, i did some hours ago...
[07:03] <Kronoss> i think no, becouse i have to see teh udev
[07:04] <pitti> Kronoss: udev?
[07:04] <mdz> JaneW: ->StorageDeviceManager deferred to post-Breezy
[07:04] <Kronoss> udev rules configuration
[07:04] <JaneW> ok
[07:04] <pitti> ah
[07:04] <pitti> for Paolo (BlueTooth bounty) that's likely the same
[07:04] <Kronoss> the fstab manager i think that can be ccompleted for the next week
[07:04] <pitti> he did some work, but didn't show me/chmj any code yet
[07:05] <pitti> JaneW: so that bounty will be post-Breezy as well
[07:05] <mdz> ok
[07:06] <mdz> are there any other updates that anyone present would like to provide?
[07:06] <mdz> especially anything relevant to next week's feature freeze
[07:06] <Kronoss> Paolo is also working with udev?
[07:06] <JaneW> ok
[07:06] <pitti> Kronoss: well, not directly I guess, more with hal
[07:07] <Kronoss> ok
[07:07] <mdz> sounds like we can wrap up
[07:07] <mdz> thanks to everyone for making it on short notice
[07:07] <ogra> Kamion, did vedran come back to you with the ubuntu-lite seeds ?
[07:07] <fabbione> thanks to you mdz :)
[07:07] <_mvo_> thanks mdz
[07:07] <mdz> the feature selection process for breezy has been chaotic, but things are starting to come together
[07:07] <pitti> thanks guys, mdz
[07:07] <dholbach> thanks mdz and JaneW
[07:08] <fabbione> may i add just one note?
[07:08] <ogra> thanls mdz
[07:08] <mdz> we're learning a lot from this cycle about how we can organize our development, and we should be able to nail things down much earlier for breezy+1
[07:08] <mdz> as well as refine the specification process for the Oct/Nov summit
[07:08] <pitti> ack, we should change a few things at the next conf
[07:08] <Kronoss> is finished the feature selection proccess?
[07:08] <mdz> Kronoss: we selected features in April
[07:08] <ogra> mdz, the big transitions this time were very special, next time should be a lot smoother
[07:08] <fabbione> mdz: mind if i add a footnote?
[07:08] <mdz> fabbione: go ahead
[07:09] <jbailey> ogra++
[07:09] <mdz> Kronoss: since then we have been refining what we can implement on schedule
[07:09] <JaneW> fabbione: I thought you were cementing something...
[07:09] <Kronoss> ah ok
[07:09] <fabbione> I forgot to mention that our kernel had the super review of a very special person.. and i would like to thanks JaneW for her partecipation in the kernel team as Release Name Manager :)
[07:09] <JaneW> lol
[07:09] <ogra> yay
[07:09] <pitti> thanks, Jane!!!
[07:09] <Kronoss> i have to get a bus
[07:09] <fabbione> :)
[07:09] <ogra> a lot of nuts
[07:09] <mdz> fabbione: super review?
[07:10] <Kronoss> see you later
[07:10] <fabbione> mdz: meh.. supervision ;)
[07:10] <Kamion> ogra: yes, but I have not had time to review in great detail; please don't wait for me
[07:10] <ogra> mdz, she added the names for our nuts kernel
[07:10] <mdz> ah
[07:10] <JaneW> it was nothing *really*
[07:10] <JaneW> fun though
[07:10] <mdz> ok, meeting adjourned
[07:10] <JaneW> YAY
[07:10] <mdz> enjoy the weekend, everyone
[07:10] <ogra> you too
[07:10] <dholbach> mdz: you too
[07:10] <pitti> JaneW: with kernels it's like with ships: no proper name - no luck :-)
[07:11] <pitti> nice weekend everybody!
[07:11] <JaneW> mdz thanks, I'll send you a spreadsheet shortly
[07:11] <jsgotangco> well good night all its 1am
[07:11] <jsgotangco> :)
[07:11] <highvoltage> pitti: you too
[07:11] <seb128> you too pitti :)
[07:11] <JaneW> bye jsgotangco
[07:11] <JaneW> I am away for a long w/e, please update your goals if anything changes
[07:11] <fabbione> JaneW: btw.. it doesn't take ages to make cement ;)
[07:11] <JaneW> mdz will be very happy ;)
[07:11] <fabbione> JaneW: have fun in the nature :)
[07:11] <highvoltage> JaneW: enjoy your weekend too then.
[07:12] <dholbach> bye everybody - have a good time
[07:12] <ogra> JaneW, mind the wild animals ;) we need you here
[07:12] <JaneW> thanks :))
[07:12] <fabbione> ogra: she survived me!
[07:12] <JaneW> ogra: lol, I am used to them
[07:12] <fabbione> wild animals will run away ;)
[07:12] <seb128> dholbach: later daniel :))
[07:12] <ogra> heh
[07:12] <highvoltage> JaneW: I resent that!
[07:12] <JaneW> highvoltage: touche
[07:13] <jsgotangco> JaneW: one word: whip
[07:13] <dholbach> bye seb :)
[07:13] <JaneW> heh
[07:15] <Seveas> hmm
[07:15] <Seveas> topic too short
[07:15] <Seveas> JaneW, you meesed up the MOTU part :)
[07:16] <JaneW> no I didn;t I made space for it again...
[07:16] <JaneW> I deleted my meeting.
[07:17] <Seveas> It's still gone. I think I'll remove all agendas and create a wikipage with links to all agendas
[07:19] <jbailey> I keep meaning to put together a bot that will watch an ical file and announce in each channel the start of official meetings.
[07:20] <Seveas> :)
[07:20] <Seveas> maybe it's easy to add to ubotu/ubuntulog/locobot
[07:20] <jbailey> I think supybot might also have hooks for something like that.
[07:21] <jbailey> s/also/already/
[07:21] <JaneW> Seveas, is it not possible to have shorter names for the agenda pages?
[07:22] <JaneW> jbailey: that would be cool
[07:24] <Seveas> JaneW, Good URLs Don't Change. If we change the pagenames, people get confused :)
[07:25] <ogra> Seveas, a centralized wikipage that links to the differentz agendas ;)
[07:25] <ogra> -z
[07:26] <Seveas> ogra, almost finished already
[07:26] <ogra> heh
[07:27] <JaneW> ok
[07:28] <Seveas> There :)
[07:29] <ogra> yeah :)
[07:33] <JaneW> much better :)
[07:46] <Seveas> Might remove the calendar as well
[07:46] <Seveas> all datetimes are in the topic
[07:46] <ogra> link it from the agenda page
[07:49] <Seveas> it's there already
[07:50] <ogra> then bin it here
[09:56] <Mez> anyone here?
[09:57] <crimsun> (all dead)
[09:57] <Mez> gonna be a fun meeting
[09:59] <Mez> Fri Aug 5 20:00:02 UTC 2005
[09:59] <Mez> Can everyone state their name for the record
[10:00] <JanC> I'm Jan Claeys :)
[10:01] <Mez> Item 1 on the agenda: Report from JanClaeys regarding Support Guide
[10:01] <Mez> so, JanC, lets hear your report ;) if you have it
[10:01] <JanC> that was about an irc guide for new users
[10:01] <JanC> http://users.telenet.be/janc/new_user_irc_guide.txt
[10:01] <JanC> this is what I have
[10:02] <Mez> anything else?
[10:02] <JanC> that's what I talked about previous meeting ?
[10:03] <Mez> yes, and you was asked to deliver a report about your research into it and what your plans were to implement it in this meeting
[10:03] <Mez> I assume you dont have that
[10:04] <JanC> what do you mean by "research" & "implement" ?
[10:04] <Mez> research Audio pronunciation of "research" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-srch, rsrch)
[10:04] <Mez> n.
[10:04] <Mez> 1. Scholarly or scientific investigation or inquiry. See Synonyms at inquiry.
[10:04] <Mez> 2. Close, careful study.
[10:04] <Mez> tr.v. implemented, implementing, implements (-mnt)
[10:04] <Mez> 1. To put into practical effect; carry out: implement the new procedures.
[10:04] <Mez> 2. To supply with implements.
[10:04] <dholbach> i'm just a spectator - but is this about goals to accomplish to a specific date?
[10:05] <Mez> dholbach, no, I asked JanC to look into the idea more and think about how they'd like to implement it within NUN, as it was a foundation of an idea last meeting
[10:06] <dholbach> i see
[10:06] <Mez> so, JanC any progress?
[10:08] <Mez> well, if you have poke me, for now, I'll carry on with the rest of the agenda
[10:08] <JanC> Mez : sorry, but I don't understand what you want
[10:08] <Mez> JanC, we'll delay till next meeting then
[10:08] <Mez> and i'll explain some other time
[10:08] <Mez> next item is " Review of Guidelines Policy"
[10:09] <JanC> that's about: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines ?
[10:09] <Mez> Basically, the concept of signing the guidelines seems to have caused more hassle than anything, so I suggest a modification of them so that by being part of the NUN, you agree to abide by the guidelines,
[10:10] <Mez> instead of having to sign them, by applying, you agree to abide by them
[10:10] <Mez> It makes life easier really.
[10:10] <Mez> Any thoughts on that
[10:11] <JanC> I think that's no problem...
[10:11] <Mez> fair enough, then if noone's got a problem with that, it's the end of the meeting
[10:11] <Mez> night everyone
[10:11] <Mez> and thanks for turning up
[10:11] <JanC> btw: I have a remark about point 5 of those guidelines
[10:12] <JanC> IMHO point 5 should be more generic, more something like: "5. NEVER advise to use repositories that contain packages compiled for debian (e.g. marrillat), there are significant differences between ubuntu and debian, which will often result in problems. This also causes problems for the developers when they investigate bug reports."
[10:12] <Mez> I'll email out the time for the next meeting when we work out when we need a meeting
[10:12] <Mez> JanC - make up an agenda for the next meerting and add it to that, I dont want to pass any changes to the guidelines without other people here
[10:13] <JanC> okay, and let me know what exactly you want from me :-)
[10:13] <dholbach> dont you want to discuss it at least together?
[10:20] <JanC> added: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NUNAgenda
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2005-08-10-#ubuntu-toolchain
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[01:41] <jbailey> doko: ping?
[01:48] <doko> jbailey: pong
[01:49] <jbailey> doko: I'm having a bitch of a time tracing down this last error from ld, hoping you can suggest something.
[01:50] <jbailey> When I install the libc6{-dev}-amd64 packages, ld tells me:
[01:50] <jbailey> /usr/bin/ld: warning: ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, needed by /lib64/libc.so.6, not found (try using -rpath or -rpath-link)
[01:51] <jbailey> The NEEDED section doesn't list a path in libc.so.6, so the implicit -L/lib../lib64 that collect2 hands over ought to be enough, I think.
[01:51] <jbailey> If I make a symlink in /lib to /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, it compiles, and I can remove it after, so there's no runtime requirement.
[01:51] <jbailey> Just that for some reason ld beleives that there's a link time requirement.
[01:52] <jbailey> If I add an -rpath line to it, it works fine, but I think that it shouldn't be needed.
[01:53] <jbailey> (The warning is follow by some symbol errors which are in the ld-...so.2 - so it's not just randomly warning me)
[01:54] <doko> hmm, look at the i386-biarch patch in gcc-3.4. LINK_SPEC wants /lib64/libc.so.6
[01:54] <jbailey> Which is right.
[01:56] <jbailey> is it possible to get ld to dump out a list of what it thinks are the available libraries and howit resolved them?
[01:57] <jbailey> It seems almost certainly like a glibc problem, the same collect2 line done with amd64-libs works fine, but readelf -a looks basically the same between the two.
[01:57] <doko> hmm, not that I know of
[01:58] <doko> you see this with gcc-3.4 or gcc-4.0 ?
[01:58] <jbailey> -3.4
[01:58] <jbailey> So far I'm onyl working with that until I get the glibc built.
[01:58] <doko> and does the link step work with 4.0 (if you're doing only this one with 4.0)?
[01:59] <jbailey> Dunno. I'll dig up a biarch gcc-4.0 to try that with.
[01:59] <jbailey> glibc doesn't build with gcc-4.0, so I hadn't been looking at that at all.
[01:59] <doko> just compared the biarch patches. 4.0 is missing the LINK_SPEC chunk
[02:00] <jbailey> Oh, hmm.
[02:19] <jbailey> YAR
[02:19] <jbailey> I wish I smoked so that I could stomp off and have one.
[02:19] <jbailey> It seems that biarch amd64 wants /lib64 and /usr/lib64 added to ld.so.conf
[02:20] <jbailey> doko: So my glibc is fine. I just need to either put this hackery into ld.so.conf, I guess. =(
[02:21] <jbailey> Or fix it properly in the linker, I guess.
[04:42] <doko> jbailey: How is this solved for amd64 native?
[04:43] <doko> or isn't this an issue, because lib is a symlink to lib64?
[04:43] <jbailey> amd64 native has hackery in glibc to mke this all just work.
[04:43] <jbailey> My current build has the hackery in for i386 too.
[04:43] <jbailey> amd64 will need additional hackery to deal with /lib32 correctly.
[04:44] <jbailey> (but it's all in the same .h file in glibc)
[04:44] <doko> oh, fine.
[06:44] <elmo> fuck's sake
[06:44] <elmo> does anyone know how CONFIG_MAC gets defined?
[06:46] <jbailey> elmo: Context?
[06:46] <elmo> powerpc kernel builds
[06:46] <elmo> it's not mentioned in .config, but I'm getting some compile errors with breezy kernel and a custom config
[06:46] <jbailey> elmo: Try #ubuntu-kernel, better audience there.
[06:46] <elmo> meh
[06:46] <elmo> i'm about ubuntu'ed out of channels, never mind
[06:47] <jbailey> I'm thinking specifically zul, who does alot of kernel stuff with Fabio
[06:53] <fabbione> hey elmo
[06:54] <fabbione> elmo: iirc CONFIG_MAC is defined only on PPC32..
[06:55] <fabbione> if you need, i can check but arch/ppc/Kconfig (grep for MAC) is a good place to start
[07:09] <doko_> fabbione: gettext on sparc: please look at the config.log file to see, why the jar test fails.
[07:10] <fabbione> doko_: thanks i will :)
[09:52] <doko_> fabbione: do you have a sparc live CD, either hoary or breezy?
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2005-08-10-#ubuntu-motu
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[12:07] <dholbach> so you can relax a bit together
[12:07] <\sh> mbreit: uploaded
[12:07] <ogra> dholbach, nah... he should make her MOTU, then she can help here ;)
[12:07] <dholbach> ogra: man... :)
[12:08] <ogra> :)
[12:08] <\sh> dholbach: yeah..later that month..but hell no..I'm on a training *eeks* and then I want to go to berlin to meet treenaks and eventually dholbach ah thats you ;)
[12:08] <\sh> ogra: where is your better half to help us here? some rolls and some snacks would be fine ,-)
[12:08] <dholbach> \sh: ok :)
[12:09] <dholbach> kmess... what a name for a project
[12:09] <dholbach> tststs
[12:09] <mbreit> \sh: thanks, but my email adress is not yet whitelisted ;)
[12:09] <ogra> \sh, i asked her.... she still thinks about the meaning of the words :)
[12:09] <\sh> ogra: and actually her son is better in computer then she is...so I will ask her son ;)
[12:10] <\sh> ogra: didn't you show here last night, what it means: MOTU? *run'n'hide'
[12:10] <ogra> lol
[12:11] <ogra> \sh, i sowed her last night what it means if your boyfriend has to build a distro like every night :-P
[12:11] <ogra> showed even
[12:11] <\sh> ahaha
[12:11] <mbreit> oh, xdiskusage failed to compile... we need to tell bddebian about pbuilder ;)
[12:12] <\sh> mbreit: please send the patches as well to the debian maintainer :) thx
[12:12] <\sh> mbreit: but only the gcc4 amd64 patches
[12:13] <\sh> ok...and now...I go and sleep...g'night
[12:13] <ajmitch> night \sh
[12:13] <mbreit> good night \sh
[12:13] <ogra> ciao \sh_away
[12:15] <dholbach> ok i did 5 reviews today - that's just like review day :)
[12:17] <mbreit> dholbach: i think you are the only one doing reviews atm...
[12:17] <dholbach> shall i take a leaf out of \sh's book and go to bed early or do something else?
[12:17] <Mez> o_O
[12:18] <Mez> my name shows up :D
[12:18] <dholbach> mbreit: Riddell, siretart, ivoks, Mez and slomo did some as well
[12:18] <Mez> hehe :D
[12:18] <Mez> I dont know if thats just cause I'm whitelisted or cause I've been added, but yay my name shows up
[12:18] <mbreit> dholbach: i said atm... i know that slomo did many reviews... and siretart as well
[12:18] <dholbach> maybe there were not as much as anal as i was :)
[12:18] <Riddell> but dholbach is the best at it :)
[12:18] <mbreit> but atm slomo is on holiday and siretart works on his theses..
[12:18] <dholbach> Riddell: sorry for keeping the kde apps from being uploaded :)
[12:19] <dholbach> Riddell: but it's not just them - i just thought you suffer most from that part of the story
[12:19] <Mez> dholbach, = uber scary reviewer
[12:19] <mbreit> Riddell: if you want to get better, there is my gnomeradio package waiting for a few votes ;)
[12:19] <dholbach> sorry for that
[12:20] <Mez> dholbach, i cant be bothered to remember the code for it
[12:20] <dholbach> Mez: don't worry
[12:20] <Mez> dholbach or load up kcharmap
[12:20] <Riddell> mbreit: hmm, that sounds like gnome to me
[12:21] <mbreit> Riddell: if you want a kde package, there is my noteedit debdiff ;))
[12:21] <dholbach> Riddell: slacker - i reviewed quite a bunch of kde apps :-p
[12:24] <dholbach> majic: ah ok
[12:25] <majic> dholbach, it's seeming a bit overwhelming with all the information out there on net about package creation. There is quite a bit of information overload.
[12:25] <dholbach> majic: absolutely
[12:25] <dholbach> majic: we use REVU as a tool to review packages and give hints on what to do with them
[12:26] <dholbach> dh_make is a good start to get templates for the stuff in the debian/ directory
[12:26] <majic> okay, hypothetically if I built a package how do I know that I've built it correctly (in terms of fitting into the Ubuntu way of doing things)
[12:26] <dholbach> and on REVU (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU has some info on it) you can see quite a lot of source packages, which are in different states of quality
[12:27] <dholbach> majic: we review it, pbuilder is a nice tool to make sure it builds on a build daemon (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto)
[12:27] <dholbach> majic: and lintian/linda are tools which help you to get a clue of what goes wrong too
[12:27] <dholbach> majic: we added some tips on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingTips as well
[12:28] <dholbach> majic: but first i'd apt-get source a similar package and have a look at that
[12:29] <dholbach> Mez: MAN! :) how do you check debdiffs against a current version? :)
[12:29] <Mez> dholbach, I wget :D
[12:29] <majic> dholbach, thanks
[12:29] <dholbach> :-)
[12:29] <dholbach> majic: anytime
[12:29] <Mez> I've never done anything other than that :D
[12:29] <Mez> lol
[12:29] <dholbach> majic: #ubuntu-motu is the place to be to get you there
[12:29] <Mez> mainly cause I used to (until recently) be on hoary :d
[12:29] <majic> yeah I'm looking into using Pbuilder and have successfully built 2 packages with it. The breezy Ruby package and another one.
[12:29] <dholbach> majic: super
[12:30] <majic> I can't learn this stuff fast enough =)
[12:30] <majic> I wanna help out so damn bad, haha.
[12:30] <dholbach> majic: you'll make it, definitely and sooner than you think, i'm quite sure
[12:31] <dholbach> majic: helping out in fixing build-dependencies and rebuilding stuff (in the motu crew) helped me to get a feel for it
[12:32] <majic> I would help out with the UnmetDeps (I think that's what you guys are calling it) but I don't have time to play with Breezy right now.
[12:33] <dholbach> majic: building in a breezy pbuilder (and making sure they're installable in a breezy chroot) should be cool too, but you might get other views on where you could help out in here, too
[12:36] <ajmitch> majic: don't worry, you can get in quicker as a MOTU than in debian ;)
[12:36] <majic> I think I'll look around for some software that isn't packaged and try to package it up
[12:36] <CarlFK> when making a deb, where are the configure parameters stored?
[12:36] <ajmitch> CarlFK: debian/rules
[12:36] <tseng> ajmitch: understatement for the win.
[12:36] <ajmitch> tseng: it took me 3+ years for debian
[12:36] <tseng> rock on.
[12:36] <CarlFK> tx
[12:37] <tseng> meebey is going on 6 months
[12:37] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, why did it take you so long?
[12:37] <majic> and then I'll ask for some people to review it, see if it looks good and is in the Ubuntu way of doing things. But before all that I have alot of reading to do =)
[12:37] <ajmitch> Received application 2001-12-11
[12:37] <ajmitch> Account Created 2005-02-03
[12:37] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: Real Life intervened ;)
[12:37] <dholbach> i wonder how long it will take me
[12:38] <ajmitch> my AM was jordi, he was quite good about it
[12:38] <ajmitch> so it took me over 3 years before I met him in person :)
[12:39] <dholbach> hehe :)
[12:39] <tseng> you have to meet your am?
[12:39] <ajmitch> not at all
[12:39] <tseng> yeah.
[12:39] <ajmitch> but jordi was at UDU
[12:39] <tseng> yes.
[12:39] <tseng> sortof
[12:39] <ajmitch> heh
[12:39] <tseng> zombie jordi
[12:39] <ajmitch> poor guy
[12:40] <tseng> xfce 4.2 is pretty rad
[12:40] <tseng> i dont think ill replace gnome, but eh
[12:40] <tseng> its fun
[12:41] <dholbach> i'm off to bed pals - see you around
[12:41] <crimsun> cya dholbach
[12:41] <mbreit> night dholbach
[12:43] <ajmitch> tseng: I found it pretty good, still prefer a nice gnome desktop though
[12:43] <ajmitch> wishing I had one here at work
[12:43] <whiprush> evening folks
[12:44] <whiprush> tseng: you live!
[12:44] <ajmitch> whiprush!
[12:44] <tseng> whiprush: i am tough as nails
[12:44] <whiprush> heh
[12:45] <tseng> hm where did that last upload go to
[12:45] <mbreit> why does gltron not show up in the build logs? it was accepted before the packages like qsynth...
[12:46] <ajmitch> tseng: check breezy/unstable in changelog
[12:46] <tseng> ajmitch: ah-right
[12:46] <ajmitch> it's the most common mistake I make
[12:46] <Riddell> universe/games/gltron_0.70final-5build3: Dep-Wait by buildd+terranova [optional:out-of-date]
[12:46] <Riddell> Dependencies: libgl-dev
[12:46] <tseng> REJECT THIS, JACKASS
[12:46] <Riddell> mbreit: is it dep-waiting libgl-dev?
[12:46] <whiprush> ok, this gnome-screensaver lock dialog is dead sexy.
[12:47] <mbreit> hmm.. does that mean that it will be build after libgl-dev?
[12:47] <mbreit> and where can i get that message from?
[12:48] <Riddell> mbreit: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/buildLogs/Lists/breezy.all.i386
[12:48] <Riddell> mbreit: it might mean that, or it might mean there's a problem with the build daemons
[12:48] <Riddell> mbreit: so, is a sufficient version of libgl-dev built?
[12:48] <Burgundavia> whiprush, what is the point of the count down thing?
[12:49] <mbreit> Riddell: i don't know...
[12:49] <ajmitch> whiprush: heard any news about TheFridge from jdub?
[12:49] <whiprush> No idea, other than most lockdown stuff has always had one.
[12:49] <whiprush> ajmitch: I sent him a note yesterday.
[12:49] <Burgundavia> whiprush, never mind
[12:49] <whiprush> elmo got a linode all set up
[12:49] <ajmitch> great
[12:49] <Riddell> mbreit: well what version of libgl-dev does it need?
[12:50] <whiprush> so I'm assuming it's still a go after Mr. IGotAndAwardWorhipMe gets home. :)
[12:50] <Burgundavia> we have somebody on the forums about to start there own site, plus spreadubuntu
[12:50] <Burgundavia> whiprush, rofl
[12:50] <tseng> whiprush: its ready to go live?
[12:50] <whiprush> tseng: hahahahaha.
[12:50] <whiprush> right.
[12:51] <ajmitch> ready to start development, you mean
[12:52] <whiprush> yes.
[12:52] <mbreit> Riddell: xlibmesa-gl-dev without any spezified version
[12:52] <tseng> dude
[12:52] <tseng> you guys are slow
[12:52] <mbreit> but it seems that xlibmesa-gl is broken atm...
[12:52] <tseng> ive built a complex web app from scratch since udu
[12:52] <tseng> you guys cant even write a few articles
[12:53] <mbreit> that's why bddebian's xdiskusage failed, too
[12:53] <ajmitch> whiprush: right, so when can we start the jdub fanboy club on the fridge?
[12:53] <whiprush> Well, the writing isn't a problem for me.
[12:53] <ajmitch> tseng: yeah, that's what I get paid to work on too :P
[12:54] <whiprush> though, if it takes us more than a few days to slap some ubuntu art on drupal then yes, it will be sad.
[12:55] <ajmitch> who's doing the artwork though?
[12:55] <whiprush> I saw some mockups from andy right after udu.
[12:55] <whiprush> dunno though, I assumed him and jdub were working that out.
[12:55] <Riddell> mbreit: there's no such package as libgl-dev
[12:55] <ajmitch> ah good
[12:55] <Burgundavia> whiprush, andy was working on look and feel, afaik
[12:56] <mbreit> Riddell, there is also no build-dep to that... just to xlibmesa-gl-dev
[12:56] <ajmitch> I'd hate for a prominent site to look like the rear end of a bus
[12:56] <whiprush> heh
[12:56] <tseng> andy++
[12:56] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, can I quote you on that?
[12:56] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: if you wish
[12:57] <Riddell> mbreit: looks like a problem with the build daemons then, poke lamont
[12:58] <ajmitch> does lamont still get paid to do all this ubuntu work?
[12:58] <ajmitch> or is it just of love, I wonder?
[12:59] <lamont> ajmitch: love
[12:59] <ajmitch> lamont: your dedication is impressive
[01:00] <tseng> meh, what does MOTU work for
[01:00] <tseng> but definately a big lamont++
[01:00] <lamont> hehe
[01:00] <ajmitch> we work for fame & glory, of course
[01:00] <ajmitch> or bugreports
[01:00] <Riddell> wow, dholbach approved gnomeradio. that's the first package I've seen him approve
[01:00] <lamont> actually, much of what I'm doing now is driven by getting the hppa and ia64 ports happy, as well as just doing fun cool stuff.
[01:00] <lamont> the crap work I give to infinity. :-P
[01:01] <whiprush> heh
[01:02] <mbreit> Riddell: it a very clean small package... but i needed to change some things to make dholbach happy ;)
[01:02] <Riddell> how does gnome stuff get from Makefile.am to Makefile.in?
[01:02] <ajmitch> oh evil, breezy goal meeting at 3AM local time
[01:04] <mbreit> Riddell: i think they have a autogen-script in cvs that is deleted before making release-tarballs
[01:04] <Riddell> hmm, so if the packages has to fix Makefile.am then you're screwed
[01:04] <Mez> tseng: ping
[01:04] <tseng> yes
[01:05] <tseng> i see you
[01:05] <Mez> ah ok
[01:05] <tseng> the packages are fine in breezy
[01:05] <tseng> if he wants to just install those
[01:05] <mbreit> Riddell: have you seen my noteedit patch?
[01:05] <mbreit> thats exactly the problem there...
[01:06] <mbreit> i needed to patch configure.in.in... and then let debian/rules rebuild the configure-script
[01:07] <mbreit> Riddell: http://ubuntu.mobr.de/sources/debdiffs/noteedit_2.7.1-2ubuntu1.debdiff you would make me very happy if you could review (and eventually upload) that ;)
[01:08] <Riddell> still on gnomeradio, all these gnome deps take ages to install
[01:08] <mbreit> Riddell: oh, did not know that... then thanks for doing that!
[01:10] <ogra> Riddell, nah, they are preinstalled :)
[01:12] <CarlFK> woo!
[01:12] <CarlFK> ../transcode_1.0.0-0.1_i386.deb
[01:12] <CarlFK> it built!
[01:13] <Riddell> mbreit: what is /usr/share/omf/gnomeradio/gnomeradio-C.omf ?
[01:15] <mbreit> it looks like the users manual
[01:16] <schweeb> hey all
[01:16] <mbreit> Riddell: it's actually a part of that
[01:17] <Riddell> I know, but what is omf?
[01:19] <mbreit> open source metadata framework
[01:19] <Riddell> gosh. what's one of them?
[01:19] <Riddell> approved by the way :)
[01:19] <mbreit> oh, thanks!
[01:20] <mbreit> btw: omf has something to do with scrollkeeper
[01:22] <Riddell> don't know what that is either
[01:23] <mbreit> scrollkeeper is a system for managing document metadata..
[01:24] <mbreit> it keeps track of all available gnome documentation (manuals) for the gnome help browser...
[01:28] <Riddell> mbreit: quite an ugly debdiff that
[01:28] <mbreit> i know...
[01:28] <Riddell> mbreit: no need to build-dep on autoconf2.13 and autoconf
[01:28] <Riddell> mbreit: and build-dep on automake1.9 not automake
[01:28] <mbreit> well, yes, there is need to do that
[01:28] <mbreit> cause i had to change configure.in.in...
[01:29] <mbreit> so configure needs to be regenerated
[01:29] <Riddell> mbreit: I mean it has both autoconf2.13 and autoconf, only 1 needed
[01:29] <mbreit> okay, i see...
[01:30] <Riddell> mbreit: also you add make -f admin/Makefile.common cvs to the build target
[01:30] <Riddell> mbreit: but your 03 patch already contains all the changes made by that
[01:32] <mbreit> no, the 03 patch just changes the admin/acinclude.m4.in by that from kde svn
[01:32] <mbreit> nothing more
[01:32] <Riddell> ah ok
[01:35] <majic> it's funny, there is a package in debian for some software I wrote and have been maintaining, there were quite a few patches made and nobody ever bothered to let me know. That's hilarious
[01:37] <mbreit> Riddell: fixed the build-dep issues... removed autoconf build dep and changed automake to automake1.9
[01:37] <Mez> majic, lol - thats probably because a lot of upstram authors tell DDs to "go away" (thats the polite version) when they try and send patches back
[01:37] <ajmitch> Mez: not necessarily
[01:37] <Mez> ajmitch, a lot do...
[01:37] <Mez> or ignore
[01:37] <Mez> or just dont want the packages
[01:37] <ajmitch> I've had pretty good luck getting changes upstream
[01:38] <majic> I mean it's not a huge deal, but I would have appreciated an email. I could have incorporated these changes
[01:38] <Mez> or at le least have in the past
[01:38] <Mez> majic: yeah, I can understand that, just a lot of DDs dont bother trying anymore cause of previous bad experiences
[01:38] <Mez> email the DD who works on it and ask him to mail you packages
[01:38] <Mez> patches *
[01:38] <ajmitch> for all my packages I solely maintain, I have commit access upstream
[01:38] <Mez> what package is it btw majic, out of curiosity
[01:39] <Mez> ajmitch, thats you
[01:39] <Mez> :P
[01:39] <majic> it's a small window manager called aewm++ that was born from yet another small window manager called aewm
[01:39] <crimsun> ah, aewm++
[01:39] <crimsun> lots of wms spawned from aewm.
[01:39] <Riddell> mbreit: compiles and runs, all looks good. well done
[01:40] <mbreit> thanks! so you want to upload that? ;)
[01:40] <mbreit> yay, my qcad changes have been build ;)
[01:49] <Riddell> mbreit: uploading..
[01:49] <mbreit> cool!
[02:07] <mbreit> Riddell: still uploading?
[02:11] <Riddell> mbreit: sorry, got distracted by pbuilding the wrong .dsc file
[02:12] <mbreit> no problem
[02:12] <mbreit> i was just wondering why it does not show up on breezy-changes
[02:16] <Riddell> noteedit_2.7.1-2ubuntu1_source.changes ACCEPTED
[02:16] <Riddell> woo
[02:18] <mbreit> thanks!
[02:31] <mbreit> hi bddebian
[02:32] <mbreit> bddebian: xdiskusage did not build... see buildlogs for the reason... seems to be a broken mesa package
[02:39] <mbreit> i am going to bed now... see you all tomorrow... good night
[03:03] <bddebian> Ack, that makes no sense..
[03:19] <bddebian> Why does xdiskusage install clean for me in a clean pbuilder but not normally?
[03:33] <ajmitch> because it doesn't like you, of course
[03:33] <bddebian> :'-(
[03:33] <ajmitch> isn't that your usual response? ;)
[03:33] <majic> what exactly does the watch file do in the debian folder of a package?
[03:34] <majic> package source that is
[03:34] <bddebian> Serously, it installs fine for me in pbuilder after I rebuilt it but the buildlog fails one a depends for xlibmesa-glu
[03:34] <ajmitch> lets you watch for upstream updates
[03:34] <ajmitch> man uscan for more info, I can't tell you much :)
[03:35] <majic> ajmitch, how would I know. Would I know only when I build a new package?
[03:35] <majic> what exactly let's me know
[03:35] <ajmitch> see the manpage.. it's also useful for automated checks in debian
[03:35] <bddebian> See ajmitch, you hate me too :-)
[03:36] <majic> ajmitch, which manpage?
[03:36] <ajmitch> man uscan
[03:36] <majic> oh, I thought you were talking to somebody else
[03:37] <majic> uscan - looked like some scanner tools (as in like an HP scanjet)
[03:37] <bddebian> heh
[03:37] <ajmitch> bddebian: nah, not at all, you're just paranoid ;)
[03:37] <majic> haha
[03:38] <majic> hmm, looks like I don't have uscan installed
[03:38] <ajmitch> apt-get install devscripts
[03:38] <ajmitch> devscripts is a very useful & important package for package development
[03:39] <majic> hmm, I didn't run across that yet mentioned in the wiki. My reading comprehension sucks probably.
[03:39] <ajmitch> perhaps not everyone uses it, but I can't live without it :)
[03:39] <ajmitch> bddebian: great, please put all these comments there
[03:41] <bddebian> OK. Any idea about my problem?
[03:43] <ajmitch> bddebian: it's broken
[03:43] <ajmitch> check that your pbuilder is up to date
[03:43] <bddebian> I just updated before trying it again
[03:43] <ajmitch> since building with an out-of-date pbuilder can mislead you
[03:45] <bddebian> I just updated before trying it again
[03:45] <ajmitch> why are you using xlibmes-glu-dev ?
[03:46] <bddebian> All I did was rebuild the package
[03:46] <ajmitch> and the build-depends are wrong
[03:46] <ajmitch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUGLUTransition
[03:47] <ajmitch> not sure how up-to-date that page is in terms of packages
[03:47] <ajmitch> but it has the right build deps
[03:47] <bddebian> Sheesh, how am I supposed to keep up with all this shiite? :)
[03:47] <gradzac> anyone know where there is a ubuntu rootfs for uml?
[03:48] <ajmitch> bddebian: simple, look on the wiki, it has a search feature if you don't get the news about transitions :)
[03:49] <bddebian> ajmitch: How would I know what to search for without even knowing it was an issue?? :-)
[03:49] <ajmitch> well the build logs just told you that it was an issue
[03:49] <bddebian> You are a big help :-)
[03:50] <ajmitch> bddebian: yes, I am
[03:50] <ajmitch> bddebian: I am helping you by telling you to look for things when problems occur :)
[03:51] <bddebian> :-)
[03:54] <bddebian> I still don't get why it installs in my pbuilder though..
[03:55] <ajmitch> installs, or builds?
[03:56] <bddebian> installs
[03:56] <ajmitch> why would you care about installation, when it's the build that fails?
[03:56] <ajmitch> you did test the build in a clean, up-to-date pbuilder, right?
[03:56] <bddebian> Yes
[03:57] <ajmitch> it can't have been terribly up-to-date if it succeeded with the build-deps still set at xlibmesa-glu-dev
[03:58] <Mez> bddebian, are you building ina BREEZY pbuild
[03:58] <bddebian> Anyway, xlibmesa-glu-dev build-dep should be xlibmesa-xorg-deb right
[03:58] <bddebian> Mez: I have breezy install and breezy pbuilder :-)
[03:58] <Mez> bddebian, then how the hell does it build?
[03:58] <bddebian> s/-deb/-dev
[03:58] <Lathiat> libglu1-xorg-dev or something isnt it?
[03:58] <ajmitch> Mez: it shouldn't
[03:59] <Mez> bddebian, sudo pbuilder login --save-after-login
[03:59] <Lathiat> ajmitch: i thought it should
[03:59] <ajmitch> and it won't in any sane chroot or breezy setup
[03:59] <Mez> then
[03:59] <Mez> apt-cache clean
[03:59] <Lathiat> ajmitch: i thought it just upset the buildds
[03:59] <ajmitch> Lathiat: not with just xlibmesa-glu-dev
[03:59] <ajmitch> afaik
[03:59] <ajmitch> Lathiat: there is that possibility
[03:59] <Mez> ajmitch, It may if he has the old package installed on the pbuild ;)
[04:00] <bddebian> Lathiat: Oh yeah, sorry: libglu1-xorg-dev
[04:00] <Mez> bddebian, do the following and paste the output
[04:00] <Mez> sudo pbuilder login
[04:01] <Mez> dpkg -l xlibmesa-glu-dev
[04:01] <Mez> apt-cache madison xlibmesa-glu-dev
[04:01] <Mez> just the output from the last 2 commands
[04:01] <Mez> to see where they hell you're getting that package from
[04:01] <bddebian> ajmitch: :-)
[04:01] <Lathiat> wtf is madison?
[04:02] <Mez> Lathiat, It's madison the archive managers little sister
[04:02] <Mez> as pitti put it
[04:02] <bddebian> Mez: dpkg -l yeilds No packages found matching xlibmesa-glu-dev
[04:02] <Mez> then how the hell does it build if it's B-D on that
[04:02] <Mez> I think someones telling porkys
[04:03] <bddebian> I dunno maybe I'm on crack
[04:03] <Mez> Lathiat, check man apt-cache
[04:03] <Mez> madison's REALLY useful
[04:04] <bddebian> madison does yeild a bunch but I don't have it on this machine to dump the output and I aint typing it all :-)
[04:05] <Mez> madison shouldnt yield anything
[04:05] <ajmitch> somehow there's a xlibmesa-glu-dev binary still in universe, supposedly built from xorg source at 6.8.2-10
[04:05] <ajmitch> at least according to the packages list I have
[04:05] <Mez> wait
[04:05] <Mez> sorry
[04:05] <ajmitch> that's some serious breakage, the binary should be removed
[04:06] <Mez> xlibmesa-glu-dev | 6.8.2-10 | http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe Packages
[04:06] <ajmitch> Mez: obsolete, it should be removed
[04:06] <Mez> ajmitch, good idea
[04:06] <ajmitch> unless that was the version in hoary
[04:06] <bddebian> So I'm not totally stoned? :-)
[04:07] <ajmitch> in which case, it's just the Packages.gz that is wrong
[04:07] <ajmitch> bddebian: you are, fix the broken build-depends
[04:07] <bddebian> ajmitch: I'm doing that already :-)
[04:07] <Mez> ajmitch, it's the same version, but, it's in universe
[04:07] <ajmitch> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=xlibmesa-glu-dev&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all
[04:07] <ajmitch> Mez: yep, breakage
[04:08] <Mez> ajmitch, yeah, but pool points back to main
[04:08] <Mez> ajmitch, you should email elmo about that
[04:08] <Mez> it shouldnt have been NEWd in breezt
[04:08] <ajmitch> daniels might want to hear about it too
[04:08] <Mez> CC
[04:08] <Mez> :D
[04:08] <ajmitch> go ahead, be my guest
[04:09] <ajmitch> I'm just a lowly MOTU
[04:14] <Mez> ajmitch, so am I
[04:14] <Mez> you email them :D and tell them
[04:15] <Mez> [email protected] and [email protected]
[04:15] <Mez> and CC me
[04:15] <Mez> [email protected]
[04:15] <Mez> ajmitch, you might not be, but I dont have upload rights and I'm about to go to bed
[04:15] <ajmitch> hehe ok
[04:15] <Mez> ;)
[04:15] <Mez> I await your CC
[04:15] <Mez> g'night
[04:16] <ajmitch> ;)
[04:16] <ajmitch> night
[04:17] <bddebian> Sorry, family came home
[04:55] <bddebian> ajmitch: Did you go too?
[04:59] <bddebian> Are you / did you notify the above?
[04:59] <ajmitch> no, I didn't, I said I'm at work
[04:59] <bddebian> If anyone is bored, could you check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUWannabeTips
[05:00] <bddebian> ajmitch: Well, you are talking here aren't you?? ;-P
[05:01] <ajmitch> " If there was not an ubuntuX version, be sure to downgrade back the epoch version from upstream and add ubuntu1"
[05:01] <ajmitch> there is no epoch being changed
[05:01] <bddebian> Wrong?
[05:01] <ajmitch> epoch has a specific meaning in debian
[05:01] <bddebian> If you use dch -i it does, doesn't it?
[05:01] <ajmitch> new package from source has -0ubuntu1 version
[05:01] <ajmitch> no!
[05:01] <bddebian> Are you sure?
[05:02] <ajmitch> look up what epoch means in debian & why they should very very rarely be used
[05:02] <bddebian> Then what do you call the -X portion of the version, in say 1.0.1-X ?
[05:02] <chillywilly> hi
[05:03] <bddebian> Heya chillywilly
[05:03] <ajmitch> the revision
[05:03] <chillywilly> http://basecamphq.com
[05:03] <ajmitch> epoch is like A:x.y.z-1
[05:03] <ajmitch> with the epoch is A
[05:03] <ajmitch> http://workshop.linspire.com/package-version-policy.html
[05:03] <bddebian> ajmitch: Ahh
[05:04] <ajmitch> see there for example
[05:05] <Amaranth> http://blogs.qtdeveloper.net/archives/2005/08/03/some-basic-thoughts-about-kde-4/
[05:05] <Amaranth> KDE guys start thinking like GNOME guys, oh dear
[05:05] <ajmitch> cxx transition should not change the -dev package name
[05:05] <ajmitch> you're missing useful things like apt-cache rdepends
[05:06] <ajmitch> and grep-dctrl/grep-available
[05:06] <bddebian> Ohh, that's right, epochs are used to override versioning screw-ups right?
[05:06] <ajmitch> yes
[05:06] <bddebian> ajmitch: Where did I say they should change the -dev name?
[05:06] <bddebian> Damn man, I just started the thing.. :-)
[05:07] <ajmitch> in the example for apt-cache dump
[05:07] <ajmitch> and I"m giving you feedback
[05:07] <ajmitch> I'll stop now if you'd prefer
[05:07] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, who is doing usplash?
[05:07] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: no idea, but it's not me
[05:07] <bddebian> ajmitch: Oh, so that is a bad example you are saying? There would never be a libfooc2-dev?
[05:08] <ajmitch> bddebian: there usually wouldn't be
[05:08] <bddebian> OK, fair enough
[05:09] <ajmitch> grep-dctrl says there are none, and I'm sure that policy specifies it too
[05:09] <bddebian> OK, thanks
[05:10] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: Matthew Garrett, iirc
[05:10] <ajmitch> I'd find apt-cache rdepends far more useful, to find out what depends on a package
[05:10] <ajmitch> and grep-dctrl to find build-deps
[05:10] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: mjg59
[05:12] <bddebian> I have never used grep-dctrl
[05:12] <bddebian> rdepends shows you what packages depend on *that* package doesn't it?
[05:12] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, ok
[05:12] <ajmitch> yes
[05:13] <ajmitch> eg, apt-cache rdepends libwxgtk2.4c2
[05:13] <ajmitch> shows me a list of packages I need to get rebuilt
[05:13] <bddebian> Aye
[05:15] <bddebian> ajmitch: I don't seem to have grep-dctrl, what is that from?
[05:16] <ajmitch> bddebian: grep-dctrl..
[05:16] <bddebian> Oh, hehe
[05:17] <ajmitch> btw, dlocate is much much faster than dpkg -S
[05:18] <bddebian> Yeah, yeah, I did it that way after I asked the dumb ass question
[05:18] <bddebian> Good god, why am I writing this??
[05:18] <ajmitch> because you volunteered, sucker :P
[05:24] <bddebian> OK, better now?
[05:30] <ajmitch> nope
[05:30] <ajmitch> you mentioned my name in there
[06:19] <chillywilly> ok, I really do not like KDE
[06:19] <chillywilly> makes me want to gouge my eyes out
[06:20] <ajmitch> you don't have to use it
[06:22] <chillywilly> I'm not
[06:23] <chillywilly> just thought I would play with it but I just can't stand looking at it
[06:23] <chillywilly> now I have tons of KDE packages dirtying up my menus
[06:23] <chillywilly> :P
[06:24] <Burgundavia> chillywilly, if you don't like it, that is fine. There is no need to bash it
[06:24] <Burgundavia> chillywilly, for the record, I prefer gnome as well
[06:25] <chillywilly> not really bashing it but I think gnome has a more professional look while KDE looks like a cartoon to me ;)
[06:26] <chillywilly> ok, maybe I am poking at it some
[06:26] <chillywilly> I'll stop now
[09:46] <herve> morning
[09:51] <dholbach> hellas
[09:52] <dholbach> look what i found while reviewing qt4-x11: http://www.trolltech.com/video/qt4dance.html
[09:54] <dholbach> Riddell: i nearly wet myself, those qt guys are crazy :)
[09:55] <ajmitch> hi dholbach
[09:55] <dholbach> hey andrew
[09:55] <dholbach> :)
[11:30] <\sh> mornin
[11:30] <\sh> g
[11:30] <dholbach> hey \sh
[11:30] <mbreit> good morning!
[11:31] <dholbach> hey moritz
[11:31] <\sh> hey dholbach
[11:31] <mbreit> hey dholbach...
[11:32] <mbreit> btw: what does universe/sound/noteedit_2.7.1-2ubuntu1: Not-For-Us [optional:out-of-date] mean?
[11:32] <dholbach> what distribution did you have in dbeian/changelog?
[11:32] <mbreit> breezy
[11:33] <dholbach> hm
[11:33] <dholbach> better ask on #ubuntu-devel
[11:33] <mbreit> okay..
[11:36] <ajmitch> infinity or lamont can answer best, I'd say
[11:38] <\sh> normally it's waiting for something
[11:39] <mbreit> the same entry was for noteedit_2.7.1-2build1 before...
[11:40] <\sh> is it new?
[11:40] <\sh> no
[11:41] <mbreit> no, i just fixed compilation on gcc4
[11:49] <Riddell> dholbach: you mean you weren't taken aback by the professionalism of their marketing?
[11:50] <dholbach> Riddell: erm well... taken aback... yes :)
[11:50] <Burgundavia> marketing?
[11:51] <dholbach> http://planet.ubuntu.com :)
[12:17] <koke> maybe we should have a promotional video with the badger dance :)
[12:23] <Amaranth> yeah, how about no?
[12:24] <Amaranth> the qt 4 music video scares the shit out of me
[12:25] <Amaranth> one nice thing: my connection is fast enough to stream that 47MB mpg
[12:25] <Treenaks> QT4 music video?
[12:25] <Treenaks> *shudder*
[12:25] <dholbach> haha :)
[12:26] <Treenaks> The gnome devs should do something like this at the next GUADEC :)
[12:26] <Amaranth> you want to see jdub dance?
[12:27] <Amaranth> i'm sure we could get sabdfl to do it after some drinks ;)
[12:27] <Treenaks> Amaranth: we've seen sabdfl, mdz, etc. sing that song at debconf...
[12:27] <Amaranth> that reminds me, does anyone have that video?
[12:27] <ajmitch> nope, never seen it
[12:28] <ajmitch> it disappeared very quickly
[12:28] <Amaranth> aye
[12:28] <Amaranth> it was up for a couple hours
[12:28] <dholbach> i didnt see it either
[12:29] <ajmitch> I think mako has a copy if you ask him nicely
[12:29] <ajmitch> he doesn't have the bandwidth to stick it up for everyone to grab
[12:30] <dholbach> people.ubuntu.com should be fine :)
[12:38] <dholbach> *cough slightly*
[12:38] <dholbach> i'm perfectly alright with doing the funky motu dance... but singing
[12:39] <dholbach> only under the shower
[12:39] <jsgotangco> dude i said singing at wembley
[12:39] <jsgotangco> that's like 50,000+ capacity
[12:39] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:40] <dholbach> well... let us all wait where this MOTU thing goes
[12:40] <dholbach> (and i'll take singing lessons until then ;-))
[12:41] <Treenaks> signing lessons ;)
[12:42] <dholbach> Treenaks: it's not me who failed to sign all the keys on http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/henkp/pgp/pathfinder/stats/A94050AF.html - it's all been the others :)
[12:42] <Treenaks> dholbach: other signatures : 6
[12:43] <ajmitch> dholbach: you need more sigs, you're out of the top 1000
[12:43] <dholbach> Treenaks: that's because they didnt manage to import the keys i sent them
[12:43] <Treenaks> ajmitch: debconf and wth took care of that...
[12:43] <jsgotangco> who is part of the top 1000?
[12:43] <dholbach> jsgotangco: i was
[12:43] <jsgotangco> ooohhhh
[12:43] <Treenaks> I'm still in :)
[12:43] <jsgotangco> this is like pokemon
[12:43] <Treenaks> http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/henkp/pgp/pathfinder/stats/3FA5E031.html
[12:44] <Treenaks> by a small margin
[12:46] <jsgotangco> oh well i see you all later
[12:46] <dholbach> bye jerome
[12:46] <jsgotangco> a few hours ago, i just joined the ranks of the unemployed :)
[12:46] <dholbach> oh... anything in sight yet?
[12:47] <jsgotangco> none at the moment, i just finished a contract with an employer
[12:48] <jsgotangco> although i can live off with my savings in a few months fortunately :)
[12:48] <dholbach> i hope the best for you
[12:48] <jsgotangco> :D
[12:48] <jsgotangco> they're taking me to karaoke later
[12:49] <jsgotangco> i will probably drop by the 15utc meeting
[12:49] <dholbach> hehe... karaoke night! :)
[12:54] <ivoks> hi all
[12:54] <ajmitch> hi ivoks
[12:55] <ivoks> happy thanks giving day and day of victory for all from croatia :)
[12:55] <ivoks> ajmitch: hi
[12:56] <Treenaks> aug 05 Dan domovinske zahvalnosti
[12:56] <Treenaks> that's what calendar tells me
[12:56] <ivoks> yeah :)
[12:56] <Treenaks> no idea what it means..
[12:56] <ivoks> day when country is thanksfull for their soliders :)
[12:57] <ivoks> s/for/to
[12:59] <Mez> dholbach, it's you who puts the stuff in UniverseUnmetDeps right?
[12:59] <dholbach> Mez: bddebian did the last list afaik
[12:59] <dholbach> hey ivoks
[12:59] <dholbach> ivoks: push somebody to review wifi-radar - NOW!
[01:00] <ivoks> becky (backup tool) is going nicely
[01:00] <Mez> dholbach, I'm just wondering how it's built, as it needs updating
[01:00] <ivoks> dholbach: would you? :)
[01:00] <dholbach> ivoks: i did and signed already
[01:00] <ivoks> dholbach: ok, thanks
[01:00] <ivoks> ajmitch: would you review it too? :)
[01:00] <dholbach> Mez: the command is on the page itself
[01:01] <Mez> bash: apt-cache: command not found
[01:01] <Mez> o_O
[01:01] <Mez> uh-oh
[01:01] <dholbach> i removed the
[01:01] <dholbach> it was wrong
[01:02] <Mez> so what should it be
[01:02] <dholbach> LC_ALL=C apt-cache -i unmet | grep ^Package | cut -d' ' -f2 | xargs apt-cache showsrc | grep ^Package | sed 's/Package\://' | sort -u > unmet.txt
[01:03] <mbreit> dholbach: well, the perl-magic part is still missing ;)
[01:04] <dholbach> mbreit: that's no coincidence :)
[01:05] <Mez> dholbach, I'm only getting a TINY output from that command
[01:05] <dholbach> Mez: on amd64 the list is significantly longer
[01:06] <dholbach> Mez: how many lines have you got?
[01:06] <Mez> dholbach, 13
[01:06] <Mez> ah
[01:07] <mbreit> on amd64 i get 282
[01:07] <Mez> It works on source packages
[01:07] <dholbach> oops i have 379
[01:07] <dholbach> NICE :)
[01:07] <mbreit> btw: to get that comma sperated add " perl -e'while (<>) { chomp; print($_ . ","); }'" at the end of the pipe
[01:08] <ogra> eeek perl
[01:08] <Mez> 361 on i386
[01:08] <ogra> 360 here
[01:13] <ivoks> ogra: hi
[01:13] <ogra> hey ivoks
[01:14] <ivoks> ogra: backup tool is going ok...
[01:14] <ogra> nice :)
[01:14] <ivoks> ogra: it will be ready for 1.9. 100%
[01:15] <ogra> see that you get a package in soon... even if its not yet working right...
[01:15] <tseng> hi
[01:15] <ivoks> will try, but too many nice girls over here :))
[01:16] <ivoks> time to go...
[01:16] <ivoks> see you guys in few days...
[01:17] <ivoks> could someone please upload etherape in breezy?
[01:17] <ivoks> i fixed it month ago, and in breezy is still broken version
[01:17] <dholbach> i'm off - see you later
[01:24] <tseng> whiprush: your website is sex.
[01:25] <Lathiat> url?
[01:25] <tseng> http://www.ubuntudetroit.org/
[01:41] <WaterSevenUb> Hi! In gnome-app-install I have noticed that the menu entry is not translateable as a string. I would like to make a patch but I have no idea how to do that. http://bazaar.ubuntu.com/[email protected]/gnome-app-install--MAIN--0
[01:41] <WaterSevenUb> anyone can help? Thanks.
[01:42] <ogra> WaterSevenUb, g-a-i is in main... this is the channel for universe maintainers.... ask in #ubuntu-devel
[01:57] <Mez> do MOTU have upload access to Multiverse?
[01:57] <Mez> I've always assumed they have but never asked
[02:01] <herve> Mez, yes
[02:11] <tseng> morn bradb
[02:11] <bradb> hey tseng
[02:32] <Mez> things shouldnt depend on Virtual packages should they?
[02:33] <herve> virtual package | proposed package
[02:33] <herve> e.g., www-server | apache2
[02:33] <herve> I don't remember the exact name
[02:33] <ogra> httpd :)
[02:33] <Mez> hmmles :D
[02:33] <Mez> if I dont get any output from katie, is that bad ?
[02:34] <herve> thanks ogra
[02:34] <ogra> Mez, are you whitelisted ?
[02:34] <Mez> ogra, I dont know
[02:34] <ogra> herve, i'm just rebuilding moodle, it has exactly this dependency ;)
[02:34] <Mez> I've had output previously
[02:34] <ogra> ah, ok
[02:34] <Mez> well, I had output yesterday when \sh uploaded for me
[02:34] <Mez> but that was the first time :P
[02:35] <ogra> did yo ever upload yourself ?
[02:35] <Mez> I tried uploading myself once and got a rejection
[02:35] <Mez> Rejected: The key (0x2404ED3A6AAAA569) used to sign webmin-optional_1.210a-2ubuntu1.dsc wasn't found in the keyring(s).
[02:35] <Mez> just tried uploading again today to see if I've been added yet
[02:36] <ogra> Accepted webmin-optional 1.210a-2ubuntu1 (source)
[02:36] <ogra> from yesterday
[02:37] <Mez> yeah, that was \sh uploading for me
[02:37] <ogra> you know that you never upload the same version twice i assume, else elmo will hunt you down
[02:37] <Mez> not even if it gets rejected cuase of keyring?
[02:37] <Mez> and I'm not uploading same version tewice
[02:38] <ogra> not even then without talking to a buildd master
[02:38] <Mez> i was trying a different package today
[02:38] <ogra> its generating extra work
[02:38] <ogra> just a hint ;)
[02:38] <Mez> to wait and see if I got accepted or rejected by katie
[02:38] <Mez> :D
[02:38] <Mez> and then if it was rejected, poking a proper MOTU
[02:38] <ogra> nope
[02:38] <ogra> talk to elmo about your key please, dont generate xtra work
[02:40] <Mez> ogra, I've tried talking to him :D
[02:40] <ogra> so it should get rejected...
[02:40] <ogra> but just pushing it forward to another motu instead of fixing the problem isnt nice
[02:41] <ogra> s/should/shouldnt
[02:59] <herzi> is there a wiki page to request packages for universe?
[03:13] <yuacht> how can i get involved with dev when i don't know any programming? =)
[03:15] <Mez> yuacht, you dont neccesarily need to know how to program
[03:15] <Mez> but it helps
[03:25] <majic> I see some php5 packages in the universe repo, I don't see one for an apache2 module, nor do I see it in the main repo along with the other libapache2 modules. Is there a php5 module package?
[03:26] <Mez> anyone here wanna sponsor an upload or two for me
[03:27] <Lathiat> majic: ... Filename: pool/main/p/php5/libapache2-mod-php5_5.0.4-3ubuntu1_i386.deb
[03:28] <Mez> Lathiat, do you have upload access?
[03:28] <Lathiat> Mez: no
[03:28] <Mez> grr
[03:28] <Mez> anyone? http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~mez/debdiff/libkexif.diff and http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~mez/debdiff/tex-guy.diff
[03:30] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:31] <crimsun_> Mez: have those been checked?
[03:31] <majic> Lathiat: when I apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5 I get an error message saying that it doesn't exist.
[03:32] <Lathiat> majic: well your packages are out of date or something
[03:32] <majic> I just did an apt-get update
[03:32] <Mez> crimsun_, yes, I made them, they just need uploading
[03:32] <crimsun_> I'll look.
[03:32] <Lathiat> majic: well dude i dunno what your doing, wfm
[03:33] <jamessan|work> majic: are you running breezy?
[03:33] <\sh> Mez: send it via mail please to me...i will take care about it when I'm at home...
[03:33] <majic> I'm running Hoary 5.04
[03:33] <\sh> majic: php5 is for breezy
[03:33] <jamessan|work> well, that's why
[03:33] <Mez> \sh well if crimsin can do it, then you wont need to
[03:33] <Mez> crimsun_, they're only small changes
[03:33] <bddebian> If any of you get bored, can you please look at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUWannabeTips ?
[03:33] <\sh> Mez: ok
[03:34] <DanielN> what
[03:34] <DanielN> PHP5 is in breezy?
[03:34] <\sh> so I can work on bddebian's text ,-)
[03:34] <\sh> DanielN: thx to ogra, yes
[03:34] <DanielN> RRRROCKING :))))
[03:34] <majic> I keep getting burned in the ass with these old packages
[03:34] <majic> damn, I got spoiled running Gentoo
[03:34] <bddebian> \sh: ??
[03:34] <ogra> \sh, really not my fault :)
[03:35] <DanielN> great work ogra
[03:35] <crimsun_> Mez: I'll take care of it. Updating my pbuilder atm.
[03:35] <ogra> \sh, thats infinitys work
[03:35] <DanielN> ouch
[03:35] <DanielN> :)
[03:35] <ogra> :)
[03:35] <Mez> crimsun_, kk, just needs the diffs applying to old sources, resigning and uploading
[03:36] <DanielN> i hopefully have more time now to doing ubuntu stuff
[03:36] <DanielN> since my "thesis" is over
[03:36] <DanielN> ;>
[03:38] <Mez> hmm
[03:39] <Mez> should we enable gtk support for mplayer-plugin
[03:40] <majic> I can't believe it. PHP 5.0 came out 13 July 2004 and PHP 5 is only available in Breezy. That is hilarious. Is there any reason for this? I keep getting burned like this, I go to install something I've been used to running on another distro and I can't get a package for it.
[03:41] <DanielN> no
[03:41] <DanielN> fedora core 4 has it too
[03:42] <\sh> majic: php5 is a bit crappy...cause not all php4 apps are running on php5
[03:45] <\sh> majic: so there is a decision to be made..php4 or php5 ... the better case was php4...
[03:46] <ogra> it'll most likely be php5 .... 4 will stay in universe
[03:46] <\sh> majic: and gentoos php5 was even more scary...but since Sebastian Bergmann took over PHP5 ebuilds...it's just running quite stable
[03:46] <\sh> ogra: yes...but for hoary it was 4
[03:46] <ogra> yup
[03:46] <ogra> Mez, yes
[03:46] <DanielN> harhar
[03:46] <ogra> Mez, there is a malone bug open for that
[03:46] <DanielN> ubuntu becomes server interesting distro :)
[03:47] <ogra> becomes ??
[03:47] <DanielN> ;>
[03:47] <\sh> majic: and believe me...if Sebastian is doing some harm to my php5 install on my gentoo servers...I will kick his ass..he's living just around the corner ,-)
[03:47] <\sh> DanielN: it is...
[03:47] <DanielN> yeah
[03:48] <DanielN> but there weren't any averages debian -- ubuntu
[03:48] <DanielN> now there are :)
[03:48] <Mez> ogra, yes I know there is a malone bug, I asked for it to be made, was just wondering whether it should be done
[03:48] <Mez> I'm working it now
[03:48] <ogra> oki
[03:49] <Mez> just fixing a couple of deps on it too
[03:49] <\sh> DanielN: which ones? debian is working on php5 as well...and I think php5 in ubuntu will be an interims solution until debian has it in the archives
[03:49] <bddebian> do be do be doo
[03:50] <ogra> \sh, the packages are the same
[03:50] <\sh> ogra: yes
[03:50] <crimsun_> Mez: tex-guy will not pbuild.
[03:50] <Mez> crimsun - really?
[03:50] <Mez> it did for me
[03:50] <Mez> hmmles
[03:51] <Mez> ah wait
[03:51] <DanielN> yeah /sh but since it will takes another 3 years until debians next release ubuntu will be first debian derivate with a stable release including php5
[03:51] <bddebian> heh
[03:51] <bddebian> Mez: Did you tell anyone about xlibmesa-glu-dev?
[03:52] <Mez> ...?
[03:52] <Mez> I was meant to tell someone
[03:52] <bddebian> Shouldn't someone tell someone? :-)
[03:53] <Mez> ogra: ?
[03:53] <ogra> ?
[03:53] <Mez> bddebian, was I meant to tell someone
[03:53] <Mez> sorry ogra ..
[03:53] <Mez> hmm
[03:53] <Mez> where can I find gthread
[03:54] <bddebian> I guess not
[03:54] <ogra> glib i'd guess
[03:56] <bddebian> libglib, libc6-dev
[03:56] <ogra> sigthread != gthread
[03:57] <DanielN> arghs
[03:57] <Mez> crimsun, yeah sotry I forgot vflib = b0rked
[03:57] <DanielN> damn error... i meant advantages and not averages :)
[03:58] <Mez> dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: format of libplc4.so not recognized
[03:58] <Mez> hmm
[03:58] <Mez> I'm getting lots and lots and lots of those
[04:07] <Mez> ogra: http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~mez/debdiff/mplayerplug-in.diff done :d
[04:07] <ogra> great
[04:07] <Mez> wanna upload ?
[04:09] <ogra> no time
[04:09] <ogra> if you fix moodle :)
[04:09] <Mez> crimsun, ping :D
[04:11] <crimsun> Mez: pong.
[04:12] <Mez> crimsun, fancy uploading that one for me
[04:12] <crimsun> Mez: I'll look in 30 s.
[04:16] <dholbach> re
[04:16] <Mez> re?
[04:17] <bddebian> wb dholbach
[04:17] <dholbach> bddebian: excellent work on that motuwannabetips page
[04:18] <dholbach> bddebian: i linked it from a couple of places
[04:18] <bddebian> dholbach: How did YOU see that? :-)
[04:18] <dholbach> bddebian: i'm subscribed to the wiki
[04:18] <bddebian> Ah, well thanks. It's a work in progress :)
[04:19] <dholbach> yeah definitely - now we have a place to send people to
[04:19] <crimsun> re dholbach
[04:19] <dholbach> good thinking - thanks for that
[04:19] <dholbach> crimsun: hey daniel - how's it going?
[04:20] <Mez> hmm
[04:20] <crimsun> dholbach: not bad, yourself?
[04:20] <crimsun> Mez: your diff doesn't apply cleanly (debian/rules); I'll patch by hand.
[04:20] <dholbach> crimsun: a bit sleepy - was taking a nap when my landlord brought somebody in to look at the flat (i'm moving out in two weeks) - GRR - he could have told me before - the place was a mess :)
[04:21] <Mez> crimsun, thats weird - it;s a tiny change to debian/rules
[04:22] <crimsun> dholbach: d'oh, hehe. To where are you moving?
[04:22] <dholbach> crimsun: b e r l i n ! woohoo!
[04:22] <crimsun> dholbach: awesome!
[04:23] <dholbach> yeah i'm so happy :)
[04:25] <Treenaks> dholbach: yes, we need to drink some beer there together ;)
[04:25] <\sh> ok...going home
[04:25] <dholbach> definitely
[04:25] <dholbach> bye stephan
[04:27] <crimsun> Mez: it looks like you diffed against _your_ previous revision of ubuntu2
[04:28] <Mez> crimsun, huh?
[04:28] <Mez> crimsun, I diffed agasint the version I downloaded from the repo
[04:29] <crimsun> look at your debdiff
[04:30] <Mez> what about it
[04:30] <crimsun> notice "+ * Fixed Depends on mozilla-browser | mozilla-firefox to firefox | mozilla-browser | mozilla-firefox"
[04:30] <crimsun> and "+ -- Martin Meredith <[email protected]> Fri, 5 Aug 2005 14:46:22 +0100"
[04:30] <Mez> ah
[04:30] <Mez> ok
[04:30] <Mez> I see
[04:31] <Mez> sorry
[04:31] <Mez> you manage to sort that? or want another debdiff?
[04:32] <crimsun> I applied by hand. libkexif and mplayerplug-in are both uploaded.
[04:32] <Mez> ah, thankies
[04:32] <crimsun> np
[05:36] <bddebian> Man it's quiet in here today :-(
[05:36] <dholbach> we're in the meeting and listen in awe
[05:36] <bddebian> Ohhh, sorry
[05:37] <dholbach> don't worry :)
[05:37] <tseng> oh wow
[05:37] <tseng> is there a pete here?
[05:37] <tseng> pete AT openfestis.org
[05:38] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:38] <bddebian> tseng: Hi. Would you mind looking at xdiskusage again? I think I fixed the build-dep.
[05:38] <tseng> i think ajmitch fixed the build-dep, no?
[05:39] <tseng> is it still broken?
[05:39] <tseng> i am not on my laptop
[05:39] <bddebian> He is the one that pointed it out to me. Maybe he fixed it. Fsck, what do I know.
[05:39] <tseng> he uploaded a fix, so..
[05:40] <tseng> please tell me if it is really broken or what
[05:40] <tseng> im using a livecd
[05:40] <bddebian> Heh. OK
[06:05] <pete> tseng: yeah I'm here
[06:08] <dholbach> pete, tseng: if you're going to takl about monopod: it's still broken on amd64 breezy
[06:09] <pete> on my breezy i386 mono is broken allover
[06:10] <pete> is that just me or..?
[06:12] <bddebian> tseng: Yep, looks like ajmitch fixed xdiskutils
[06:13] <bddebian> Hmm, what to work on today..
[06:30] <chillywilly> what meeting?
[06:30] <dholbach> breezy goals update
[06:31] <dholbach> #ubuntu-meeting
[06:31] <chillywilly> hi bddebian
[06:31] <chillywilly> oh
[06:31] <chillywilly> nifty
[06:31] <bddebian> Heya chillywilly
[06:31] <bddebian> chillywilly: Hey check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUWannabeTips if you get a sec and let me know what you think :-)
[06:33] <chillywilly> your link to PBuilderHowTo is not right
[06:33] <chillywilly> :)
[06:34] <bddebian> Gah
[06:35] <bddebian> Fixed, thanks
[06:37] <chillywilly> looks to be some good and helpful content but I don't really have much time to read through it atm
[06:38] <bddebian> NP
[06:39] <mbreit> bddebian: great page... i think most newbies can learn a lot from that...
[06:40] <koke> bddebian: it looks nice :)
[06:41] <koke> btw, the new launchpad look is far nicer than the old one :)
[06:41] <mbreit> btw: is someone working on packages for sonance or spe?
[06:41] <koke> I think I'll fix more bugs now ;)
[06:41] <bddebian> mbreit / koke: Thanks
[06:41] <bddebian> mbreit: Thanks for the note on xdiskusage btw :-)
[06:41] <mbreit> bddebian: no problem
[06:43] <mbreit> if nobody is working on sonance or spe, i will add them to my todo list
[06:43] <bddebian> mbreit: You think it would makes sense to add a "Ready to upload" or "Just needs rebuild" section to UniverseUnmetDeps to make it easier for MOTUs to identify what can "quickly" be fixed?
[06:44] <mbreit> bddebian: i had this idea, too.. at least a "just needs rebuild" section would be nice
[06:44] <bddebian> Aye. I'll add it, thanks
[06:45] <mbreit> do you want to add another table just like the "need love" table?
[06:45] <bddebian> Yep
[06:45] <mbreit> good idea
[06:46] <mbreit> that saves even time for us... so i do not have to make a changelog-entry and so on... just rebuild in pbuilder and see if it works
[06:47] <koke> doh, my most hated maolne bug is here again ;)
[06:47] <mbreit> and we need to get this unmet deps list smaller... its so frustrating to see it growing
[06:48] <bddebian> Aye
[06:48] <bddebian> OK< added
[06:51] <mbreit> great... but i can't really work on that list today because i have a exam for university tomorrow...
[06:52] <mbreit> but after that exam i will fix a few more of that packages..
[06:53] <mbreit> btw: if you put xxdiff to the rebuild list, you can remove it from the "NOBODY" list
[06:53] <bddebian> mbreit: Well, that was a placeholder. I'm testing right now ;-)
[06:53] <mbreit> okay
[06:59] <bddebian> pbuilder build does a test install also?
[07:00] <mbreit> bddebian: you can user pbuilder login to try to install a package
[07:01] <tseng> dholbach: we dont care you about amd64
[07:01] <tseng> dholbach: :P
[07:01] <dholbach> ok
[07:01] <dholbach> well i dont care about mono
[07:01] <dholbach> :-p
[07:01] <tseng> or more realistically
[07:01] <bddebian> mbreit: Yeah but then I have to update my local apt repo :-)
[07:01] <tseng> everyone tells me about bugs on amd64 and doesnt do anything about it
[07:01] <tseng> i dont have hardware
[07:01] <tseng> dunno what im supposed to do.
[07:01] <bddebian> Buy one :-)
[07:01] <dholbach> arrange with Mithrandir
[07:02] <jsgotangco> jeez my hiccups is already half an hour...
[07:02] <tseng> im hoping to work one out a different way
[07:02] <tseng> but in the mean time
[07:02] <tseng> i still cant fix amd64 bugs
[07:02] <bddebian> I thought I saw something somewhere about doing an install with the .deb with pbuilder
[07:03] <mbreit> tseng: i am on amd64.. if i can help you somehow...
[07:04] <tseng> mbreit: dholbach thinks monopod is broken.
[07:04] <tseng> from revu
[07:04] <tseng> it gives an X error
[07:04] <dholbach> it still is
[07:04] <dholbach> tested this morning
[07:04] <tseng> well it really looks like X
[07:04] <tseng> i dont know
[07:07] <mbreit> bh... i want bash-completion for pbuilder...
[07:07] <bddebian> heh
[07:07] <tseng> definately
[07:07] <bddebian> Won't dpkg -i update packages for depends?
[07:07] <tseng> it should be smart enough to only complete *.dsc
[07:08] <tseng> bddebian: because dpkg doesnt account for dependency info?
[07:08] <tseng> apt does that
[07:08] <mbreit> tseng: i am building monopod now, but i have very few time today, so i will have to investigate that tomorrow
[07:08] <bddebian> So I have no choice but to use my local repo to test package installation?
[07:09] <tseng> mbreit: ok thanks. if you can give me a hint, great
[07:09] <tseng> bddebian: or, install them all?
[07:09] <tseng> dpkg -i 1 2 3
[07:09] <bddebian> tseng: No, it wants a newer version of libgcc1 installed then what I have installed.
[07:09] <tseng> uh
[07:09] <tseng> it sounds like you did something bad
[07:09] <bddebian> Why?
[07:10] <bddebian> There is a candidate for it
[07:10] <tseng> you built something with a newer libgcc1 than you system has?
[07:10] <tseng> or something.
[07:12] <dholbach> bye everybody - i'm off
[07:12] <bddebian> Later dholbach
[07:12] <mbreit> grr... the bug i most hate is the crashing panel on package installation
[07:12] <mbreit> bye dholbach
[07:12] <bddebian> tseng: Its a depends not build-depends
[07:17] <tseng> dude comeon
[07:17] <bddebian> What?
[07:17] <tseng> when you build something, it fills in sh:Depends
[07:17] <tseng> build-depends
[07:17] <tseng> on what version you built it with
[07:19] <bddebian> That makes no sense to me, sorry
[07:19] <tseng> ok
[07:19] <tseng> say libfoo is binary incompatible between versions
[07:20] <tseng> if i build my package against libfoo-1.3.so
[07:20] <tseng> it wont work when i have libfoo-1.2.so installed
[07:21] <bddebian> I understand that part
[07:21] <tseng> so whats the problem
[07:22] <bddebian> Firstly, I don't even know where it is getting xxdiff depends on libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.1)??
[07:24] <mbreit> tseng: all other gtk# applications seem to work well here... its only monopod which is crashing
[07:24] <mbreit> so i will debug that tomorrow to see where (which code line) it crashes
[07:26] <bddebian> Hello CarlFK
[07:26] <bddebian> CarlFK: You're in IL ?
[07:27] <CarlFK> hey bddebian - yup
[07:27] <bddebian> CarlFK: Where, if you don't mind me asking?
[07:27] <CarlFK> Niles - just north of Chicago
[07:27] <bddebian> Ahh. I grew up near Peoria / Bloomington
[07:27] <CarlFK> neat - friend from there is coming up tomorrow
[07:28] <CarlFK> Jason Nance
[07:28] <bddebian> Coolio
[07:28] <bddebian> tseng: Does this mean you gave up on me? :-)
[07:32] <Seveas> OKay guys, I have a program that installs with a setup.py. Which package is a good example to look at for creating a deb package of such a program?
[07:33] <Seveas> ogra, help me out here :)
[07:34] <ogra> can you give the setup.py a custom path ?
[07:34] <ogra> s/path/install path
[07:34] <Seveas> --prefix=
[07:34] <Seveas> it's a normal setup.py
[07:34] <Seveas> I just want a package to look at as an example :)
[07:35] <ogra> i dont know one from the top of my head
[07:35] <Seveas> isn't hwdb-client a python program?
[07:35] <ogra> yup
[07:36] <ogra> but i dont use a setup.py
[07:36] <Seveas> ah
[07:36] <ogra> since i already wrote it for being installed from a .deb
[07:36] <Seveas> will apt-file show these files? They don't show up in the .deb
[07:36] <jamessan|work> Seveas: there's not really much to do. you can take a look at Supybot, though. I know that uses it.
[07:36] <ogra> unlikely they get installed
[07:37] <Seveas> jamessan|work, thank you, I'll have a look
[07:37] <ogra> Seveas, i would look what setup.py really does and try to do the same in the rules file
[07:37] <Seveas> can't I simply call setup.py from the rules?
[07:38] <ogra> its most likely only copying files around
[07:39] <JanC> & pre-compiling
[07:39] <Seveas> that's what dh_python can do too
[07:56] <Seveas> wow, cdbs is the best thing since debhelper
[07:56] <Seveas> the supybot rules in 7 lines long...
[07:56] <Seveas> is*
[08:00] <bddebian> supybot! Cool package :-)
[08:00] <ogra> Seveas, learn debhelper first...
[08:00] <ogra> Seveas, even if cdbs is tempting
[08:02] <Seveas> cdbs uses debhelper
[08:02] <Seveas> well, it can
[08:02] <ogra> never mix these two
[08:02] <ogra> its not a good habit ...
[08:02] <Seveas> hmm
[08:03] <Seveas> i mean include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk
[08:03] <ogra> yes, but these are cdbs implementations of debhelper
[08:03] <Seveas> the call dh_*
[08:03] <Seveas> they*
[08:04] <ogra> yes, all of them... you generate either a huge overhead or have a lot to exclude for simple packages
[08:04] <Seveas> ah
[08:05] <Seveas> well, let's get back to maint-guide then :)
[08:05] <jbailey> ogra: Eh? Don't tell me you're using cdbs *without* debhelper...
[08:06] <ogra> so if you can make a package with 2 or 3 debhelper calls, cdbs makes no sense
[08:06] <ogra> jbailey, i dont mix them up in rules
[08:06] <jbailey> Ah, good.
[08:06] <jbailey> I half feared you meant you were using cdbs *without* debhelper.mk
[08:06] <ogra> thats what i had problems to bring acreoss to Seveas ;)
[08:06] <jbailey> Which I've done to prove that it was possible, but...
[08:06] <Seveas> ah ok
[08:07] <ogra> nah, i wouldnt
[08:07] <jbailey> ogra: I've been considering (but haven't done) for cdbs2 to test to see if the debhelper call would be a no-op. Would that make you happier?
[08:07] <ogra> sure...
[08:07] <jbailey> It's certainly not a release blocker, but I had assumed that nobody but poor m68k hackers would care.
[08:08] <ogra> i dont like to waste cpu cycles ;)
[08:08] <jbailey> What else are they *for*?
[08:08] <Seveas> buildds have to do something :)
[08:08] <ogra> heh
[08:08] <tseng> yay!
[08:08] <tseng> i got my laptop working with my apple monitor
[08:08] <tseng> and docking station
[08:08] <jbailey> ogra: Besides, the overhead of running all the debhelper calls versus a decent testsuite is pretty small.
[08:08] <Seveas> talk about wasting cpu cycles :)
[08:08] <ogra> buildds have to annoy their meintainer... they are very busy with that already ;)
[08:08] <jbailey> And I'd love to see every app out there grow a really comprehensive testsuite.
[08:09] <tseng> unit testing +++
[08:09] <ogra> yup, sounds reasonable
[08:10] <jbailey> ogra: Another thing that I quite like about cdbs versus similar sized debhelper-based rules files is just consistancy.
[08:10] <jbailey> You have the promise that various DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS are honoured, and takes no time to figure them out at a glance once you've seen a couple of them.
[08:11] <ogra> i'm probably just to oldschool :) i should make more with cdbs
[08:12] <ogra> but still, for a MOTU its important to be familiar with both Seveas :)
[08:13] <ogra> and cdbs is easy... so learning debhelper first makes sense ;)
[08:13] <bddebian> Like learning asm before C? I'm sure everyone still does that?? ;-P
[08:13] <Seveas> rofl
[08:13] <Seveas> I did :)
[08:13] <bddebian> Seveas: Nice. I don't know either :-)
[08:13] <Seveas> but then again, I learned java before that ;)
[08:14] <bddebian> ack
[08:15] <ogra> bddebian, nah, C before C++ :)
[08:15] <bddebian> heh
[08:15] <Seveas> hmm
[08:16] <Seveas> postpone C++ as much as possible
[08:16] <jbailey> ogra: Which is often also a mistake.
[08:16] <jbailey> ogra: It's best to consdier C and C++ to be generally unrelated but somewhat compatible languages.
[08:16] <ogra> jbailey, was the best example that came to mind :)
[08:17] <janimonoses> any idea why xfce4-terminal is not entering the build?
[08:17] <janimonoses> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Lists/breezy.all.i386
[08:17] <janimonoses> says it depends on dbus-glib-1-dev
[08:17] <janimonoses> but http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/x/xfce4-terminal/xfce4-terminal_0.2.4-3ubuntu1.dsc
[08:18] <janimonoses> shows that libdbus-glib-1-dev is in the bd: line actually
[08:18] <janimonoses> I am confused
[08:19] <janimonoses> lamont ^^
[08:21] <ogra> janimonoses, so depend on that one
[08:21] <ogra> err..
[08:21] <ogra> oh
[08:21] <ogra> nm
[08:22] <janimonoses> that's deprecated in favor of what I wrote
[08:23] <ogra> yes
[08:23] <lamont> if it shows that it's depwait, and that doesn't match, then it means someone needs to poke me to clear it.
[08:23] <lamont> uploading a new version to change build-deps _WILL_NOT_ clear a dep-wait
[08:25] <janimonoses> lamont, thanks
[08:25] <lamont> (and I've cleared it)
[08:26] <janimonoses> the previous version tried building at least
[08:26] <lamont> or, more precisely, I've told wanna-build to pretend that dbus-glib-1-dev is available
[08:26] <janimonoses> so I thought : failed build -> needs upload
[08:26] <tseng> janimonoses: now you know :)
[08:26] <bddebian> "And knowing is half the battle"
[08:27] <lamont> dep-wait --> never try again until that dependency is available, no matter how many times they upload
[08:27] <janimonoses> tseng, but this is only one of the many corner cases which I don't :)
[08:27] <zyga> hello
[08:27] <bddebian> Hello zyga
[08:27] <janimonoses> hi zyga
[08:27] <crimsun> lamont: would you poke vlc, too, please?
[08:27] <zyga> any gnomebaker devs lurk here?
[08:27] <lamont> crimsun: poke it how?
[08:28] <janimonoses> lamont, writing it up would be GREAT
[08:28] <lamont> pretend vlc is available, or what is it dep-wait on?
[08:29] <crimsun> lamont: it's dep-wait on aalib1-dev, but aalib1-dev's not listed as a build-dep
[08:29] <crimsun> that's why I'm quite confused
[08:29] <zyga> and the polish translation
[08:29] <zyga> (hoary-whatever-backports)
[08:29] <crimsun> janimonoses: do we know what's going on with xffm4?
[08:29] <lamont> crimsun: it was
[08:29] <janimonoses> criumsun, let me take a look
[08:30] <janimonoses> crimsun, I think we need to ask elmo to sync?
[08:30] <crimsun> lamont: hmm. I built it in an i386 and an amd64 pbuilder successfully.
[08:31] <lamont> crimsun: 0.8.1-1ubuntu8: Build-Depends: ... liba52-0.7.4-dev, aalib1-dev, libdvbpsi3-dev,
[08:31] <crimsun> janimonoses: according to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/x/xffm4/ it's already there.
dep-wait --> never try again until that dependency is available, no matter how many times they upload
tseng, but this is only one of the many corner cases which I\
[08:31] <lamont> oops. only meant to paste one line
[08:32] <crimsun> lamont: oh, I see. That would mean my 0.8.2-1ubuntu1 upload is stuck.
[08:32] <lamont> crimsun: so now that I've told wanna-build to pretend taht aalib1-dev is available, the buildd will actually finally _TRY_ to build 0.8.2-1ubuntu1
[08:32] <crimsun> lamont: right. Thanks!
[08:32] <zyga> eh, anyone?
[08:32] <lamont> not so much stuck as just totally ignored
[08:33] <crimsun> janimonoses: doesn't look like xffm4 is actually being built at all
[08:33] <crimsun> zyga: I don't think there are any here.
[08:34] <zyga> crimsun: how about gb-4.0?
[08:34] <crimsun> zyga: what about it?
[08:35] <zyga> crimsun: there is none for ubuntu, can't it go to backports or someplace like it?
[08:35] <crimsun> (I presume you mean 0.4)
[08:35] <zyga> (yes)
[08:36] <crimsun> it won't be autobuilt for backports from breezy since it's not in breezy, but it may be done by some other method. You might want to check with Mez.
[08:36] <zyga> I've just built gb on hoary i386 (I can also build for amd64)
[08:36] <zyga> It's not debianized yet but that can probably be taken from 3.0
[08:36] <zyga> er 0.3
[08:37] <zyga> crimsun: any reason why it's not in breezy?
[08:37] <crimsun> we're already semi-UVF
[08:38] <zyga> UVF?
[08:38] <crimsun> looking at the changes for 0.4, there are some rather important fixes, so if other MOTUs agree, I don't mind seeing 0.4 in Breezy
[08:38] <crimsun> (upstream version freeze)
[08:38] <zyga> crimsun: ah
[08:38] <zyga> crimsun: breezy would be bad without 0.4 IMHO :)
[08:39] <jeffm> hey guys
[08:39] <zyga> hi jeffm
[08:39] <jeffm> ubuntu supports dual screens right?
[08:40] <zyga> jeffm: I'm woring on a dual monitor setup ATM
[08:40] <crimsun> jeffm: X.org does, yes.
[08:40] <jeffm> AT The Moment?
[08:40] <jeffm> thanks guys
[08:41] <zyga> jeffm: yes
[08:41] <jeffm> k
[08:41] <zyga> what is 'k' exactly :>
[08:41] <zyga> ?
[08:41] <jeffm> ?
[08:42] <zyga> jeffm: what does 'k' mean?
[08:42] <jeffm> in KDE>
[08:42] <jeffm> ?
[08:42] <zyga> no.. in your message
[08:42] <zyga> 20:41 < jeffm> k
[08:42] <jeffm> its short for O.K
[08:43] <jeffm> which is short for Okay
[08:43] <ogra> which is short for "agreed" :)
[08:43] <jeffm> yeah
[08:43] <jeffm> or serves as acknowledgement
[08:44] <ogra> wow, so many words in only one letter
[08:44] <zyga> okay :>
[08:44] <jeffm> lol
[08:44] <jeffm> what is this X.org stuff?
[08:44] <jeffm> im on the site now
[08:44] <zyga> jeffm: x.org is your x server, it does support mulit-head setups via xinerama
[08:45] <jeffm> so that is build into Ubuntu?
[08:45] <zyga> jeffm: this really is more suited on #ubuntu though
[08:46] <jeffm> ok
[08:46] <zyga> jeffm: yes it is, it works but there is no gui for it
[08:46] <jeffm> so what de we tlak about here?
[08:46] <jeffm> *talk
[08:46] <jeffm> *do
[08:46] <jeffm> lol
[08:47] <zyga> universe
[08:47] <jeffm> ohhh O.o
[08:48] <ogra> especially its expansion ... and how to fix it
[08:48] <jeffm> oh nice
[08:48] <jeffm> you guys rock
[08:48] <ogra> :)
[08:48] <jeffm> im so glad that there is a viable alternative to M$
[08:48] <zyga> how do I update various sha/md5 sums in .dsc files?
[08:49] <ogra> zyga, you rebuild the source package
[08:49] <zyga> ogra: so apt-getting source gnomebaker, extracting debian directory, removing patches and moving it to gnomebaker-0.4 is enough to debianize?
[08:50] <zyga> okay some patches should stay...
[08:50] <ogra> you weill need to make version specific adjustments ... but you can do it along this lines
[08:51] <ogra> alternatively run dh_make and copy over the bits and pieces you want from the other version
[08:51] <zyga> ogra: I'm not sure how to adjust build-deps, it did build on hoary with previous gnomebaker deps though
[08:51] <zyga> ogra: thanks, I'll try
[08:54] <zyga> dh_make is really nice :>
[08:56] <zyga> ogra: keeping old changelog + adding new entry is okay for a version change?
[08:57] <zyga> ogra: and what should I do with maintainer field from debian.control?
[08:58] <ogra> hmm, i would make a new changelog for a completely new package, else i'd use the old one and just announce the new upsteam version
[08:58] <crimsun> I'm already updating gnomebaker, zyga.
[08:58] <mbreit> lamont: are you still around?
[08:58] <lamont> never.
[08:58] <lamont> :-)
[08:58] <crimsun> (just running through the pbuild now)
[08:58] <ogra> if you reuse nearly everything, leave it like it is... if you build from scratch, add yourself
[08:58] <zyga> crimsun: :-)
[08:59] <zyga> crimsun: there is no need to do any work :) ?
[08:59] <zyga> crimsun: I'd love to help you know :)
[08:59] <lamont> mbreit: what did you need?
[08:59] <mbreit> lamont: could you remove dep-wait on gltron? i just checked again, and it builds in pbuilder, without dependency problems
[09:00] <crimsun> wb jani
[09:00] <janimonoses> :)
[09:00] <janimonoses> hw failure
[09:00] <janimonoses> luckily temporary only
[09:00] <crimsun> janimonoses: :/
[09:00] <crimsun> re dholbach
[09:00] <dholbach> re :)
[09:01] <janimonoses> crimsun, I thought I asked elmo to sync xffm4 but looks like I forgot
[09:02] <mbreit> hi dholbach
[09:02] <dholbach> hey moritz
[09:02] <mbreit> dholbach: what happens to packages on revu with 3 votes?
[09:02] <dholbach> it should be uploaded straightawway
[09:02] <dholbach> :)
[09:02] <mbreit> well, i have 3 votes...
[09:02] <dholbach> excellent
[09:02] <dholbach> shall i do it?
[09:02] <mbreit> and i think i am whitelisted already
[09:03] <dholbach> super
[09:03] <dholbach> i'll upload it then
[09:03] <mbreit> perfect! ;)
[09:03] <janimonoses> crimsun, shall I ask him now?
[09:03] <mbreit> then i will start with new packages tomorrow ;)
[09:04] <dholbach> mbreit: that's the spirit
[09:04] <zyga> crimsun: updated package will be available in breezy?
[09:04] <zyga> crimsun: (or rather, where will it be available)
[09:04] <mbreit> dholbach: yea... it's the "i wanna be a motu" spirit *g*
[09:04] <dholbach> ROCK'N'ROLL!
[09:05] <mbreit> ahhhhhh grrrrr.... wft?
[09:06] <mbreit> how can a package build in pbuilder when i can't install the build-depends on my normal breezy system?
[09:06] <dholbach> Riddell: could you please kick the packages from REVU, you uploaded?
[09:06] <crimsun> janimonoses: not sure if you saw my last post
[09:06] <crimsun> janimonoses: doesn't look like xffm4 is actually being built at all
[09:06] <dholbach> mbreit: depends vs build-depends?
[09:06] <janimonoses> no, I am just looking at the irclogs
[09:06] <crimsun> janimonoses: but the 4.2.2-1 files are already there.
[09:07] <mbreit> dholbach: just build-depends... i have a dep-wait on gltron..
[09:07] <janimonoses> crimsun, why arent' they built?
[09:07] <ogra> Riddell, ping
[09:08] <mbreit> but i did a pbuilder update and a pbuilder build and that worked without problems... then i did a apt-get install libgl-dev (which is the build-dep in question) but it does not want to install it
[09:08] <crimsun> janimonoses: I have no idea :/ There's nothing in the build logs.
[09:08] <crimsun> janimonoses: xffm4 does not appear to be dep-wait on something either, and it built in both i386 and amd64 breezy pbuilders.
[09:09] <janimonoses> so how do we know it was synced?
[09:10] <janimonoses> it's not on the ongoing-merge page either
[09:10] <dholbach> i absolutely despise "sponsored upload for x.y.z" - there is debuild [email protected] , guys
[09:10] <sivang> dholbach: Hi there Daniel
[09:11] <sivang> dholbach: 'sup?
[09:11] <dholbach> hey sivang :)
[09:11] <sivang> dholbach: how is your autotools foo lately? :)
[09:11] <dholbach> sivang: not better - did a lot of other stuff in between
[09:12] <janimonoses> rigth so xffm4 source package is in the archive
[09:12] <dholbach> sivang: how are you?
[09:12] <crimsun> janimonoses: yep, I think that got cut off when your client pinged out
[09:12] <sivang> dholbach: trying to find some advice on creating the right autotools foo for a shared lib
[09:13] <dholbach> sivang: murray cumming has an excellent article on that - just a sec
[09:14] <sivang> dholbach: cool, thanks , should I have used google better ? 0_o
[09:14] <Mez> dholbach, the "sponsored upload for x.y.z thing is done cause then you acutally get output from katie
[09:14] <dholbach> sivang: it's hard to find
[09:15] <dholbach> Mez: everybody should asap let their mail adresses whitelist
[09:15] <sivang> dholbach: ah ok, just send it up and I'll be greatful :)
[09:15] <Mez> dholbach - I only got whitelisted like- 2 days aho
[09:15] <Mez> ago *
[09:15] <Mez> so, if whoever was whitelisting addresses didnt take their time so, then it wouldnt be a problem
[09:16] <dholbach> i saw like 20 uploads or so in the last time
[09:16] <dholbach> whitelists should be done by then
[09:16] <dholbach> you can always re-ask
[09:16] <dholbach> sivang: http://www.openismus.com/documents/linux/using_libraries/using_libraries.shtml
[09:16] <ogra> Mez, i'm telling you since some time to contact elmo to getyour key and whitelisting sorted, please do so
[09:16] <sivang> dholbach: thanks you very much
[09:16] <dholbach> sivang: and the links from there - murrayc rocks
[09:16] <sivang> dholbach: how did you come across this article ?
[09:17] <sivang> dholbach: is he a MOTU ?
[09:17] <dholbach> sivang: i know murrayc - no he is gnome-c++ :)
[09:17] <Mez> ogra: and I've been trying for some time to contact him... I've got my whitelisting... but not my key
[09:17] <dholbach> maybe you forgot the magic words :-p
[09:17] <ogra> :)
[09:18] <janimonoses> lamont, any idea why xffm4 does not enter the build?
[09:18] <Mez> I would keep emailing him and stuff, but, I dont want to annoy him
[09:18] <ogra> Mez, email him
[09:19] <dholbach> Mez: don't worry - he's just incredibly busy - busier than anybody else you know, mail him, be nice, he'll understand
[09:19] <Mez> ogra, I already have :D
[09:19] <dholbach> and we have to other packages that are ready for upload
[09:19] <Mez> I dont think anyones key from the last TB meeting has been sorted yet
[09:19] <ogra> do it again then or catch him on irc... i've seen him around several times today
[09:19] <dholbach> 1) mbreit and gnomeradio
[09:19] <dholbach> and to others, which i will take care of
[09:20] <dholbach> ExpandingUniverse, baby! :)
[09:20] <Mez> ogra: I he never seems to reply to me on IRC - even if he's ther e:d
[09:20] <Mez> but, I'll email again
[09:20] <janimonoses> Mez, indeed elmo is very busy
[09:20] <janimonoses> I've been after him almost two weeks for the xfce4 sync ;)
[09:20] <Mez> I know he's very busy :D
[09:20] <ogra> Mez, you are the backports team currently... getting your key sorted is a essential thing
[09:20] <janimonoses> he's nice but busy
[09:22] <dholbach> does ivoks has his key sorted out yet?
[09:22] <dholbach> s/has/have
[09:23] <Mez> what's his real name?
[09:23] <ogra> james troup
[09:23] <ogra> ?
[09:23] <Mez> ivoks :P
[09:23] <ogra> or do you mean ivoks
[09:23] <janimonoses> ante karamatic I think
[09:24] <ogra> AnteKaramatic
[09:24] <ogra> yup
[09:24] <Mez> he doesnt seem to have any uploads yet (not even sponsored ones
[09:24] <dholbach> he does
[09:25] <Mez> not sinceth
[09:25] <Mez> 14th *
[09:25] <ogra> he's on holiday
[09:26] <Mez> ah
[09:26] <dholbach> i'll upload his wifi-radar
[09:27] <dholbach> rejoice - finally - users will love to see it
[09:27] <crimsun> great :)
[09:28] <dholbach> it's UP!
[09:28] <mbreit> oh, i just looked at the wifi-radar homepage... looks very promising...
[09:28] <dholbach> woohoo
[09:28] <mbreit> that would be a reason to upgrade my laptop to breezy this weekend ;)
[09:30] <dholbach> i won't upload python-pyrtf-0.45 yet - i'm not sure about how bdddebian and tritium are going to settle the maintainership of it
[09:32] <dholbach> but that's rocking
[09:32] <dholbach> 2 new packages up!
[09:32] <dholbach> you can't believe how good that feels - the review process works
[09:32] <dholbach> at least a bit it does :)
[09:32] <mbreit> and i hope to create 2 new packages at the weekend ;) so there's always something to review ;)
[09:33] <dholbach> what are you going to work on?
[09:33] <dholbach> mbreit: i'm not complaining about not having enough work :)
[09:33] <mbreit> spe and sonance... but i promise nothing...
[09:34] <dholbach> ah... oculd it be they're on UniverseCandidates or something?
[09:34] <mbreit> dholbach: i will also help with the unmet dependencies...
[09:34] <mbreit> dholbach: yes, they are...
[09:34] <janimonoses> dholbach, did the ubuntu-motu ml idea get dropped?
[09:34] <dholbach> janimonoses: yes
[09:34] <dholbach> janimonoses: unfortunately so
[09:34] <janimonoses> so motu mails go to devel?
[09:34] <dholbach> janimonoses: but we'll have a bug mailing list for universe
[09:34] <dholbach> janimonoses: yes
[09:35] <dholbach> janimonoses: and if you report about something crazy, include ubuntu-users - we want press everywhere :)
[09:35] <janimonoses> ;)
[09:35] <dholbach> mbreit: make sure you tick them off
[09:35] <dholbach> mbreit: on UniverseCandidates
[09:36] <mbreit> dholbach: i moved them down to the "already handeld" list
[09:37] <dholbach> super
[09:37] <blueyed> I had compiled/packages Apache2 from source for myself, because of another configure option to suexec. What's the easiest way know to upgrade to the latest security release?
[09:37] <blueyed> s/packages/packaged/
[09:38] <ogra> get the new source and compile it ?
[09:38] <dholbach> blueyed: sudo apt-get install devscripts; sudo apt-get build-dep <package>; apt-get source <package>; cd <package-dir>; debuild; sudo debi
[09:38] <kungkang> hey all, why is gedit-dev in universe when gedit is in main? there also seems to be a version inconsistency between them so gedit-dev is not installable.
[09:39] <dholbach> kungkang: to the first part of the question: that's quite common - main should be as small as possible (to fit on a CD or something)
[09:40] <dholbach> kungkang: to the second part: could be build problems - what architecture are you on?
[09:40] <kungkang> i386
[09:40] <crimsun> kungkang: for hoary/amd64, Candidate: 2.10.2-0ubuntu2
[09:40] <crimsun> I don't see any version mismatch.
[09:40] <mbreit> lamont: did you remove the dep-wait for gltron? or is it on dep-wait _again_?
[09:40] <kungkang> gedit is ubuntu2, but gedit-dev is ubuntu1 according to my synaptic
[09:40] <dholbach> do apt-get udpate again
[09:41] <lamont> mbreit: what was it dep-wait on?
[09:41] <crimsun> kungkang: you need to refresh. hoary-security has ubuntu2
[09:41] <kungkang> crimsun: ah! i did not have hoary-security! thanks
[09:41] <tseng> mbreit: you are working on sonace?
[09:41] <mbreit> it sais libgl-dev... but it build depends on xlibmesa-gl-dev
[09:41] <mbreit> , works perfectly in pbuilder
[09:41] <tseng> sonance
[09:41] <lamont> mbreit: I did not - no one asked...
[09:41] <lamont> iz done now
[09:42] <mbreit> lamont: i asked you just a few minutes ago?
[09:42] <blueyed> dholbach: Thanks. Before "debuild" I'd patch the debian/rules file again, right?
[09:42] <mbreit> lamont: directly after you said "mbreit: what did you need?"
[09:42] <dholbach> blueyed: yes, exactly
[09:43] <lamont> bradb: sorry - it scrolled off and I missed it.
[09:43] <mbreit> tseng: yes, i want to package that, why to you ask?
[09:43] <tseng> mbreit: because its a mono app
[09:43] <mbreit> tseng: does that matter?
[09:44] <mbreit> tseng: i love mono....
[09:44] <tseng> yes
[09:44] <mbreit> why?
[09:44] <tseng> that is my main area, I can help you
[09:44] <mbreit> oh, that would be nice ;)
[09:45] <janimonoses> lamont, any idea why xffm4 does not enter the build?
[09:45] <dholbach> janimonoses: new binary packages?
[09:45] <janimonoses> even though 4.2.2-1 source is in the archive
[09:46] <janimonoses> nope there was an xffm4 -- .deb already
[09:46] <janimonoses> it used epoch if that matters
[09:46] <lamont> janimonoses: nothing springs to mind... but it doesn't appear in the w-b output, which would tend to point towards the archive mangement stuff..
[09:46] <lamont> since "not in w-b" --> never tried.
[09:47] <janimonoses> there was a source called xffm which built xffm4 binary
[09:47] <mbreit> lamont: btw: can you help with a "Not-For-Us" status? do you know where that comes from and what i can to that the package builds?
[09:47] <tseng> so xffm4 is NEW?
[09:47] <janimonoses> now there's a source called xfmm4 which builds same binary
[09:47] <tseng> that is your problem.
[09:47] <janimonoses> tseng, not really
[09:47] <tseng> yes really
[09:47] <janimonoses> apt-cache show xffm4
[09:48] <tseng> Source: xffm
[09:48] <janimonoses> but the source was xffm and now it would be xffm4
[09:48] <lamont> NFU means that the buildd admin manually said "leave me alone, package"
[09:48] <tseng> so its a new source
[09:48] <crimsun> (Warty had a binary xffm4 that comes from xffm4 source)
[09:48] <tseng> its in NEW
[09:48] <tseng> it needs manual approval
[09:48] <tseng> to enter buildd
[09:48] <lamont> in this particular case, it means that the package was put on hold its dependencies were all done with the g++-4.0 transition]
[09:49] <tseng> crimsun: eh?
[09:49] <janimonoses> actually there was an xffm4 source too for xfce4.0
[09:49] <tseng> wow.
[09:49] <crimsun> janimonoses: yep, that was Warty.
[09:49] <mbreit> lamont: who can change that? i have fixed that package for gcc4, but it's still on NFU
[09:49] <janimonoses> so a packages NEW-ness is reset on starting a new release cycle?
[09:49] <lamont> are all of it's dependencies current in the archive?
[09:50] <mbreit> yes
[09:50] <crimsun> janimonoses: I wouldn't think so...
[09:50] <lamont> janimonoses: NEW is a function of a.u.c/ubuntu/indices/override.${dist}....
[09:50] <mbreit> lamont: it builds in pbuilder and is reviewed by a motu...
[09:50] <janimonoses> so why is xffm4 considered new if there was already a source named like that?
[09:50] <lamont> and generally that begins with what the previous release had and gets added to
[09:51] <crimsun> janimonoses: I don't think it's considered NEW, because Warty had it. There seems to be something else holding it back.
[09:51] <lamont> mbreit: infinity was dealing with NFU stuff - I'll poke him to review all of them and see what else can be given back...
[09:51] <lamont> (that is, the class needs review, not just the one instance)
[09:51] <mbreit> lamont: thanks!
[09:51] <janimonoses> crimsun, lamont just said something re previous release, maybe NEWness gets reset?
[09:52] <mbreit> ahhh... gltron is build... thanks again, lamont
[09:52] <lamont> mbreit: which package, btw
[09:52] <lamont> ?
[09:52] <mbreit> lamont: noteedit
[09:53] <Mez> hmmles
[09:54] <Mez> getting some weird errors whiel trying to update
[09:55] <dholbach> do we have a netinst image or something?
[09:56] <ogra> yes
[09:56] <ogra> dont ask for a url though
[09:56] <ogra> there was a post to u-d with the url the last days
[10:18] <ogra> tseng, just for the record, YOU ROCK !
[10:18] <tseng> ogra: do I?
[10:18] <ogra> i just realized that my f-spot on amd64 runs rock solid !!
[10:18] <tseng> hah sweet dude
[10:18] <ogra> yeah :)
[10:20] <ogra> hmm, slideshow doesnt work, i guess thats an X issue
[10:21] <ogra> hmm,and fullscreen shows a question mark...
[10:24] <mbreit> well, fullscreen works here without any problem (f-spot on amd64)
[10:24] <tseng> ogra: right now im trying to hack muine-inotify for new inotify in breezy
[10:25] <ogra> mbreit, fully up to date ?
[10:26] <ogra> i obvously only have the thimbnail view available, everything else shows just a question mark...
[10:26] <mbreit> ogra: update half an hour ago
[10:26] <ogra> hmm... propbably i flddled to much with the mono stuff in the past
[10:26] <mbreit> slideshow as well as fullscreen mode work like a charm...
[10:27] <ogra> oki,so i suspect my setup
[10:28] <mbreit> but it does not work rock solid.... it just crashed...
[10:29] <ogra> it works rock solid here, i never could ues it longer then 5mins without crash
[10:29] <ogra> we shoudl merge :)
[10:30] <mbreit> crashed again... that seems to be a problem with one picture i have... in thumbnail view, it is shown landscape, if i open it, its portrait... if i open another photo after that, it crashes
[10:31] <mbreit> it seems that it also crashes when rotating some picture... so it's definitly not "rock solid"....
[10:32] <mbreit> but tseng does a great job anyway ;)
[10:32] <ogra> it just doesnt rotate here... but doesnt crash
[10:32] <mbreit> hmmm
[10:32] <ogra> funny
[10:33] <mbreit> ahh... i want the -44 xorg version....
[10:36] <Nafallo> uhm
[10:37] <Nafallo> is it just me or is gnomebaker's deps way off?
[10:37] <Nafallo> jackd for example?
[10:37] <ogra> mbreit, not for us... and daniels ejoys his weekend already ::::/
[10:37] <Nafallo> gstreamer0.8-polypaudio? :-P
[10:38] <ogra> wow, i'm an eight eyed alien today.. my broken keyboard is funny sometimes
[10:38] <mbreit> ogra: i know.... but i want my television back... and -44 finally includes the v4l-module....
[10:39] <Nafallo> hmm
[10:40] <dholbach> mbreit: throw away your television :)
[10:40] <Nafallo> update-notifier doesn't work for me :-/
[10:41] <mbreit> dholbach: my television is my pc... i just want to be able to watch tv... and therefor i need the v4l module
[10:42] <dholbach> i see
[10:50] <Riddell> ogra: hi
[11:19] <mbreit> i need a motu to review and upload a drpython-fix... won't take long, just a small debdiff...
[11:20] <dholbach> mbreit: link? :)
[11:20] <mbreit> http://ubuntu.mobr.de/sources/debdiffs/drpython_3.10.13-1ubuntu1.debdiff
[11:21] <dholbach> how nice does it work?
[11:21] <mbreit> very nice ;)
[11:21] <dholbach> did you very absolutely well test it?
[11:21] <dholbach> :)
[11:21] <dholbach> you will receive all following bug reports :)
[11:21] <mbreit> well, i build it, i started it, i loaded a file, and it was still running ;)
[11:22] <dholbach> http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/d/drpython/drpython_3.10.13-2/changelog :)
[11:22] <mbreit> wtf?
[11:23] <dholbach> sounds like a sync from debian experimental was in order :)
[11:23] <dholbach> sorry for that :)
[11:23] <mbreit> yeah... damn...
[11:23] <mbreit> dholbach: it's not your fault... i should have looked in debian experimental
[11:24] <dholbach> be sure to mail [email protected] to sync it
[11:24] <dholbach> don't worry
[11:24] <dholbach> it's just the thing what i learnt from all the MergeOMatic business
[11:25] <mbreit> james.troup? why him?
[11:25] <dholbach> he's elmo
[11:25] <dholbach> because he does syncs... in general
[11:25] <mbreit> oh, okay
[11:26] <mbreit> so i have to write him an email that he should sync drpython with debian experimental?
[11:27] <dholbach> yes... and add a "please" somewhere - and tell that their fix works nicely for you :)
[11:27] <mbreit> hehe... okay, i'll do that
[11:28] <ogra> and that dholbach approved the UVF override ;)
[11:28] <mbreit> uvf?
[11:28] <ogra> upastream version freeze
[11:28] <ogra> upstream
[11:28] <mbreit> well, it's no new upstream version?
[11:28] <ogra> all new upstream versions need approval since some weeks
[11:29] <dholbach> it's just a debian fix
[11:29] <dholbach> not a new version
[11:29] <ogra> oh...
[11:29] <ogra> i thought its a newversion... then forget about it
[11:33] <mbreit> okay, email is on the way..
[11:39] <JanC> new drpython package depending on wxpython 2.6 ? nice :)
[11:39] <mbreit> yes... and that works quite well
[12:00] <mbreit> going to bed now... good night everybody!
[12:00] <dholbach> sleep tight moritz
[12:01] <mbreit> thanks
[12:05] <herzi> dholbach: ping
[12:05] <dholbach> pong
[12:06] <dholbach> herzi: pong :)
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2005-08-10-#ubuntu-kernel
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[12:55] <mdz> so, I have a unionfs patch that I need to get into breezy ASAP to unbreak LTSP
[12:55] <mdz> can someone explain the patch system to me?
[12:57] <lamont> mdz: you drop it into 00list-6.8, and give it the right name
[12:58] <mdz> lamont: any special procedures for a stolen-from-upstream patch to a third-party driver?
[12:58] <mdz> so that the patch goes away when the driver is updated?
[12:58] <lamont> the list there is somewhat ordered, pretty obvious where to add a new patch... the names are pretty straight forward as well
[12:58] <lamont> sth-* patches are stolen from head, and expect to go away soonish.
[01:21] <mdz> just tried dpatch-edit-patch and got:
[01:21] <mdz> Missing /tmp/dpep-ref.AieDu5/linux-source-2.6.12-2.6.12/debian/abi/2.6.12-6.7/abiname file.
[01:21] <mdz> make: *** [clean] Error 1
[04:18] <zul> morning
[06:35] <fabbione> mdz: there is already a 6.8 branch in baz
[06:35] <fabbione> please use that one
[06:35] <fabbione> is the unionfs patch part of a new upstream? or is it shipped separately?
[06:36] <fabbione> * Temporarily disable fcpcmcia_cs; it needs more fiddling to work with
[06:36] <fabbione> the new scheme
[06:36] <fabbione> i guess that's because you used something like find . -name ".o" ?
[08:23] <mdz> fabbione: there is no new upstream; it is a bugfix from CVS
[08:24] <mdz> fabbione: the build rules for that module are confusing; I didn't immediately know how to handle it and I had to get the package out because all the other modules were broken
[08:44] <mdz> why is nvidia.ko so incredibly huge?
[08:44] <mdz> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4199482 2005-08-04 20:53 nvidia.ko
[08:51] <infinity> Because the binary from upstream isn't stripped?
[09:39] <mjg59> mdz: Because half their 3D stuff is done in kernel space, or something
[09:51] <fabbione> mdz: for unionfs, please create a patch called external-fs_unionfs-fixups or similar to the others, and commit it to the baz archive. Ensure that the ABI doesn't change.
[09:51] <fabbione> mdz: if it does, i will help you this afternoon at the meeting time.
[09:52] <fabbione> mdz: (even if there are a bunch of convinient make targets for that ;))
[09:53] <fabbione> but please don't upload without updating the repo...
[09:54] <fabbione> it will be messy to merge the bits later
[09:54] <fabbione> and i don't mind if you commit directly in the playground (as topic)
[11:45] <Mithrandir> oh, fun.
[11:45] <Mithrandir> Solaris/Xen
[04:08] <zul> hey lamont
[04:08] <lamont> morning
[04:10] <jbailey> lamont: I have yet anoter build going to test this patch. *sigh*
[04:10] <jbailey> With any luck...
[04:11] <lamont> jbailey: I'm doing a binary search, myself...
[04:11] <jbailey> lamont: In this case, the patch I have already has what I want working. It just breaks the old initrd compatability case. This time I've just torn out all of their "new" version of doing it and put mjg59's old version in for that stuff.
[04:11] <jbailey> So it really *ought* to just work this time.
[04:12] <lamont> I see
[04:16] <zul> anyone got a 3c59x on a laptop?
[04:19] <jbailey> Err.. You mean a card supported by it?
[04:19] <jbailey> I might have one here.
[04:20] <lamont> 3com serial card in a laptop? that's kinda scary. :-)
[04:21] <zul> yeah...i want to test a suspend patch that i found, apparently it breaks with acpi
[04:23] <zul> lamont: nic :P
[04:26] <lamont> zul: doh. I knew that.
[04:26] <lamont> have several of them, but not in laptops
[04:29] <zul> crappers..
[04:29] <jbailey> Anyone here know what Fabio's trick is to redline concordia when building kernel? =)
[04:30] <zul> magic?
[04:30] <jbailey> No, he said there's some env variable
[04:30] <jbailey> We should standardize on something that means 'make -j 500'... Like DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="fuckmeharder"
[04:34] <lamont> jbailey: ~bin/make ???
[04:34] <zul> heh doug henning rocks...
[04:34] <lamont> er, ~/bin/make, that is
[04:43] <fabbione> CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=300
[04:43] <fabbione> man make-kpkg or read debian/rules
[04:43] <fabbione> :)
[04:43] <fabbione> zul: 3com cards are known to be broken on suspend/resume
[04:44] <mdz> where is the baz archive for the kernel?
[04:44] <fabbione> mdz: hey.. /topic
[04:44] <fabbione> mdz: i will be around for the time it's needed for the meeting
[04:44] <fabbione> so i can help you on the fly if you need me to
[04:44] <lamont> mdz: you'll want the sftp://chinstrap/var/arch/...
[04:44] <lamont> sftp://people.ubuntu.com/home/lamont/public_html/Archives/[email protected]
[04:45] <lamont> my bad
[04:46] <mdz> I want sftp://p.eople or sftp://chinstrap?
[04:47] <fabbione> people
[04:48] <lamont> "my bad" == people, not chinstrap
[04:48] <lamont> forget I even said anything about chinstrap this morning
[04:48] <lamont> the sftp url above is the one you want
[04:48] <lamont> and please oh please make sure your umask is correct...
[04:49] <fabbione> yeah 002
[04:49] <dilinger> you love the abichecks!
[04:49] <lamont> fabbione: is there a trivial way to unpatch the build tree, short of 'clean'?
[04:49] <fabbione> dilinger: yes we do
[04:50] <lamont> dilinger: not when I'm binary-searching and just want a *^(_ kernel/modules to throw against the wall.
[04:50] <lamont> once I find it, then I love them.
[04:50] <fabbione> lamont: meh... apply the patches in 00list backwards?
[04:50] <lamont> hehe
[04:50] <fabbione> or use dpatch unpatch target?
[04:50] <lamont> ah, very true
[04:51] <fabbione> it's lovely how 20 torrents using no more than 50K each way can kill a 6Mb/1Mb adsl line
[04:51] <fabbione> 50K aggregated
[04:54] <lamont> ccache is pure love though.
[04:54] <lamont> although support for java would be nice
[05:29] <lamont> (failed with only half of the patches, and then failed with the other half.)
[05:47] <doko> fabbione: the current 2.6.12 kernel for amd64 tells me that frequency scaling is unsupported?
[06:10] <jbailey> Well, on the upside my new patch DOES seem to notice that the DSDT is there for the initrd case.
[06:10] <jbailey> It simply OOPSes the kernel now.
[06:38] <jbailey> DUDE.
[06:38] <jbailey> I'm a Canadian
[06:38] <jbailey> They don't let us have those.
[06:39] <jbailey> Brass knuckles and crossbows, boy.
[06:39] <jbailey> (Depends if the fight stays in the bar or gets out to the alleyway)
[06:39] <lamont> jbailey: tell 'em it's just a really F*NG big hammer.
[06:39] <lamont> the cross bow is in case they try to run away:
[06:39] <lamont> ?
[06:41] <lamont> fabbione: before the next abi bump, let me know... we could turn of ISA and EISA for ia64 - no such animals exist...
[06:43] <zul> jbailey: poutine would be better though then you can suffocate it
[06:44] <jbailey> lamont: Dude... Don't leave fingerprints.
[06:44] <jbailey> It's hard to lift them off of an arrow.
[06:44] <jbailey> And you want to wear gloves when using a crossbow anyway.
[06:44] <jbailey> And no balistics to track with.
[06:53] <fabbione> doko: i am in holidays.. fix your CPU
[06:58] <zul> funny way of showing it
[06:58] <mjg59> lamont: ISA isn't ISA slots - it's legacy interrupts
[06:58] <mjg59> If ACPI is used to set up everything it's probably ok
[06:59] <mjg59> Oh, and you could have ISA. Someone could add a cardbus bridge to a PCI slot and put a PCMCIA card in it
[07:02] <fabbione> mjg59: you were just a bit faster than me ;)
[07:02] <fabbione> lamont: PCMCIA can give you ISA as well as keyboard and other stuff
[07:02] <fabbione> at least... it might have
[07:02] <fabbione> so i would rather keep it there
[07:09] <lamont> ok. sigh
[07:20] <fabbione> lamont: trust me.. i really understand how you feel about that
[07:20] <fabbione> i hate distro kernel configs
[07:45] <mdz> so, I need to get this unionfs patch in
[07:45] <mdz> it is not at all clear to me how to use the baz archive, there are dozens of branches, and I'm going to just upload a 6.8 unless someone wants to lend a hand with it
[07:45] <mdz> the unionfs bug is blocking all of my work
[07:46] <mdz> I already did a full test build of my tree
[07:47] <mdz> there is no mainline-2,6,12-6,8 branch
[07:47] <lamont> mdz: all of the 6.8 work is done on preX,8
[07:48] <lamont> then it gets branched to mainline-2,6,12-6,8, and uploaded from there, and a preX,9 branch created
[07:48] <lamont> mdz: and the full test build was all 3 architectures, or just one or?
[07:49] <lamont> I can turn the crank if you want
[07:49] <mdz> lamont: just one, but the patch is very nearly a one-liner
[07:49] <lamont> you say "good", iz good for me.
[07:49] <lamont> your patch is committed to preX,8?
[07:50] <mdz> lamont: no, it is on its way to you via emil
[07:50] <mdz> email
[07:50] <mdz> it is an updated version of external-fs_unionfs-fixups.dpatch
[07:50] <lamont> ok. wanna toss a copy at [email protected] as well?
[07:50] <mdz> or however the _-_ goes
[07:50] <lamont> right
[07:50] <mdz> sent, thanks
[07:51] <lamont> -6.7, with all of the patches between -4.4 and -6.6 removed, still fails to boot.
[07:51] <lamont> now for a serious diff.
[07:52] <lamont> mdz: mind if I stall on the upload for 20-40 minutes? or do you want it _NOW_
[07:52] <lamont> ?
[07:53] <mdz> lamont: I would have uploaded it last night except that fabio yelled stop
[07:53] <mdz> but I can wait 30 minutes if necessary
[07:54] <lamont> ok. I'll make at most one more pass at figuring out ia64's issue, and then give up and call it -6.9
[07:54] <lamont> and yes, I can build an ia64 kernel in about 20 minutes. not sure why the DC takes 2hrs/kernel
[08:10] <fabbione> mdz: i am here...
[08:10] <fabbione> mdz: commit the patch to pre6.8
[08:10] <fabbione> i have the time to look at it, upload and do all the baz dance
[08:10] <lamont> fabbione: patch is committed
[08:11] <lamont> but first I need to make sure it's not an abi change
[08:11] <lamont> (and commit the ignore if it is...) :-)
[08:12] <fabbione> lamont: i am not in a hurry :)
[08:12] <lamont> expect handoff within 15-20 minutes then - I'd rather have you do the baz dance
[08:12] <fabbione> mdz: does the patch break the ABI?
[08:12] <lamont> or I could do it with you watching over my sholuder
[08:12] <mdz> fabbione: absolutely not
[08:12] <fabbione> mdz: perfect...
[08:13] <fabbione> lamont, mdz: we need to give jbailey sometime to integrate initramfs as default
[08:13] <mdz> it is very small and isolated and I need it ASAP
[08:13] <fabbione> so i suggest we push these 2 changes now
[08:13] <mdz> yes
[08:13] <fabbione> after that we will do a no-op upload (almost) to rebuild the kernel to use initramfs as default
[08:14] <fabbione> (that requires a change in the B-D and one across the image Depends)
[08:14] <fabbione> so we will have a very well defined break point
[08:14] <fabbione> mdz: yes.. that's why i am still around :)
[08:14] <fabbione> mdz: the patch is simple and looks good :)
[08:15] <fabbione> lamont: i will wait for you than
[08:15] <fabbione> mdz: is it ok for you to wait 20 minutes?
[08:15] <mdz> fabbione: lamont said he could do it
[08:15] <fabbione> it will still take sometime to be built on the buildd and so on..
[08:15] <mdz> you don't need to stay around if you have things to do
[08:15] <fabbione> mdz: nah.. i am waiting dinner to be ready :)
[08:15] <fabbione> and my mommy and daddy are there looking at it
[08:16] <lamont> fabbione: I'm down to the only diff between working and not-working being CONFIG_USB_BANDWIDTH=y( working) and =n(broke)
[08:16] <lamont> WTH!!
[08:16] <fabbione> lamont: EH????
[08:16] <lamont> yeah - exactly
[08:16] <fabbione> that's impossible
[08:16] <lamont> exactly
[08:17] <lamont> I took -6.7, rolled all of the patches from -4.4 through -6.6 back, and it still doesn't boot. -4.4 with my -6.7 diff applied boots.
[08:17] <lamont> and I am very annoyed at it
[08:17] <lamont> it looks for all the world like device interrupts aren't working in the newer kernel
[08:18] <lamont> all of which may mean that I'm facing a bug that's present in both, but magically masked for whatever reason in the other
[08:18] <fabbione> oh great...
[08:18] <lamont> would turning CONFIG_USB_BANDWIDTH back on for ia64 break abi"?
[08:18] <fabbione> hmm it shouldn't
[08:19] <fabbione> CONFIG_USB_BW is like 2 lines in the usb code
[08:19] <lamont> ok. I'll go ahead and commit that little hail mary bit, and then you can dance
[08:19] <fabbione> just grep for it in drivers/
[08:19] <lamont> yeah - nothing
[08:19] <lamont> or nearly nothing
[08:19] <fabbione> lamont: works for me
[08:19] <fabbione> but the weird is that USB doesn't do anything at boot....
[08:19] <fabbione> it must be a gtk bug
[08:20] <fabbione> now.. how can i disable DPMS???
[08:20] <fabbione> given that it is blanking my screens every 2 seconds...
[08:20] <fabbione> lamont: does the kernel work with USB_BW enabled?
[08:21] <lamont> I'll know that in about 20 minutes
[08:21] <fabbione> did you check it, or you are assuming due to the diff?
[08:21] <fabbione> ok
[08:22] <lamont> well, "hail mary" --> no real reason to expect it to fix things
[08:22] <lamont> but it's the only diff left.
[08:34] <lamont> fabbione: kernel build should be done shortly, I htink
[08:35] <fabbione> lamont: i am going to eat something while you finish your tests. i will be back shortly.
[08:35] <lamont> ok
[08:57] <zul> go crazy?
[08:58] <lamont> fabbione: go with what's committed currently - USB_BW didn't change a thing, just like we expected.
[09:02] <fabbione> lamont: ok
[09:16] <fabbione> mdz: enjoy :)
[09:17] <mdz> fabbione: thanks
[09:17] <fabbione> mdz: no problem..
[09:18] <fabbione> we need to get rid of baz.... probably bzr could do...
[09:18] <fabbione> or we should just move to git ;)
[09:18] <fabbione> better idea.. let's go BITKEEPER :P
[09:20] <fabbione> dilinger: ehhehe
[09:25] <fabbione> humpf.. damn connection is slow...
[09:29] <fabbione> katie should love me in a minute..
[09:29] <fabbione> and right before the end of the day
[09:30] <zul> aiee...i just commited something to my preX,8...doh
[09:30] <fabbione> zul: merge pre9 and branch again ;)
[09:30] <fabbione> or branch and merge...
[09:31] <fabbione> time to go offline
[09:31] <fabbione> cya tomorrow guys
[09:32] <crimsun> cya fabbione
[09:33] <zul> toodles
[10:43] <mdz> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/l/linux-source-2.6.12/2.6.12-6.8/linux-source-2.6.12_2.6.12-6.8_20050805-2048-i386-failed.gz
[10:43] <mdz> GRRR
[10:49] <mdz> what a strange error
[10:50] <mdz> oh, I understand
[10:50] <mdz> the chroot was broken, I guess
[10:50] <mdz> a package was half-installed and apt wanted to start over
[10:50] <mdz> or rather, reinst-required
[10:51] <lamont> right
[10:51] <lamont> given back
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ubuntu-chat
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2005-08-10-#ubuntu-artwork
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[01:00] <kafeine> ahem
[01:26] <kafeine> #
[01:26] <kafeine> There should be official "powered by Ubuntu" or buttons (or similar) developed. Many community members have made versions of these. The Art Team should select those which should be officially endorsed and make them readily available (note that while new art solicitations are encouraged, there is a danger to having too many variants of the same object). This should be a near term goal.
[01:26] <kafeine> about this
[01:27] <kafeine> could someone compile all the 'powered by ubuntu' buttons already made
[01:27] <kafeine> and put them up in a new page in the wiki
[01:27] <kafeine> so we could pick?
[01:57] <kafeine> khm, anyway
[01:57] <kafeine> edited the wiki
[02:00] <lukacu> ql :)
[02:14] <ogra> kafeine, why dont you add tem to the official website buttons page ?
[02:14] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//WebsiteButtons
[02:14] <ogra> hem even
[02:14] <ogra> grmfp
[02:14] <ogra> them
[02:15] <kafeine> just added the WebsiteButtons under Resources at the ArtTeam page
[02:15] <ogra> great :)
[02:16] <kafeine> and added some descriptions and GIB over at Tools
[02:16] <ogra> there might be a lot fragmented stuff, i saw many people on ubuntu-users offering website buttons... i guess they are spread a bit
[02:18] <kafeine> true, we have to centralize them at one spot so we can pick and decide if we need some new ones done
[02:19] <ogra> yep
[02:19] <ogra> hmm... i wonder whats the rationale for scribus on the tools page
[02:20] <kafeine> me too
[02:20] <kafeine> but its there anyway
[02:21] <ogra> yes, but its no graphics design tool... and i doubt the artteam will have to do DTP stuff .. :)
[02:23] <kafeine> only if we use it for some kind of printed materials [posters, flyers] , but even in this case, i would prefer the gimp
[02:23] <kafeine> we could organise the Tools in sections
[02:23] <kafeine> e.g., icon building, printed material, general graphics editing, etc
[02:24] <ogra> yup, sounds good
[02:26] <kafeine> i might do it today
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ubuntu-chat
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2005-08-10-#ubuntu-doc
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[01:16] <squinn> hey everybody
[01:16] <Burgundavia> salut
[02:16] <poningru> evening guys
[02:35] <Madpilot> hi everyone
[04:14] <Burgundavia> salut Madpilot mon frere
[04:14] <Madpilot> hi weasel
[04:40] <jsgotangco> hey all
[04:41] <Burgundavia> salut jsgotangco
[04:41] <Burgundavia> notice you checked in some edubuntu stuff
[04:41] <jsgotangco> what was rob's email all about?
[04:41] <Burgundavia> no idea
[04:41] <jsgotangco> well its just a draft of the proposed cookbook fork
[04:41] <Burgundavia> ok
[04:42] <Burgundavia> cool
[04:42] <jsgotangco> the cookbook after all is a tuxlabs project
[04:42] <Burgundavia> I about half finished the main inclusion stuff
[04:42] <Burgundavia> boy is that tedious
[04:42] <jsgotangco> nice
[04:42] <jsgotangco> did you have a good time with gcompris?
[04:42] <Burgundavia> I left that to ogra
[04:42] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: so that wasn't you evangelizing the KDE crowd? ;)
[04:43] <Burgundavia> yes
[04:43] <jsgotangco> he's not a KDE guy
[04:43] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:43] <HrdwrBoB> ugh KDE
[04:43] <jsgotangco> i used to be a KDE guy
[04:43] <Burgundavia> though I had thought about evanglizing kde again
[04:43] <Burgundavia> the indiana thing
[04:43] <Madpilot> the what thing?
[04:43] <jsgotangco> ahh
[04:43] <Burgundavia> 300,000 linspire desktops for indiana shcools
[04:44] <jsgotangco> w00t
[04:44] <jsgotangco> thats a lot of money for linspire
[04:44] <Burgundavia> yes
[04:44] <jsgotangco> oh well
[04:45] <jsgotangco> in other news, today is my last day of my contract with my current employer
[04:45] <Madpilot> nice that Linux is trying to do the Apple/Ms get-them-young thing
[04:45] <jsgotangco> tommorow i officially join the ranks of the unemployed again
[04:45] <jsgotangco> :)
[04:45] <Madpilot> except that it's Linspire...
[04:45] <Burgundavia> linspire is better that ms
[04:45] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, that sucks
[04:45] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, you should ask canonical for a job
[04:46] <jsgotangco> i don't think that's a nice idea even if its tempting
[04:46] <robitaille> jsgotangco: write a Ubuntu book :)
[04:46] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, why not?
[04:46] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:47] <jsgotangco> its just not my personality to ask
[04:47] <Burgundavia> be bold dammit
[04:47] <jsgotangco> i'll give it some thought though
[04:47] <robitaille> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/work.html
[04:47] <jsgotangco> the cookbook should make JaneW happy and stop playing with her whip
[04:48] <Burgundavia> yes
[04:50] <Burgundavia> god debbugs sucks
[04:56] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, do you want help with the new quickguide?
[04:57] <jsgotangco> sure i'd love to we should rename it first though
[04:58] <Burgundavia> ok
[04:58] <jsgotangco> its basically a what's new page no?
[04:58] <Burgundavia> Quick Tour?
[04:58] <Burgundavia> Breezy Tour?
[04:58] <jsgotangco> hmm
[04:58] <Burgundavia> Whats New?
[04:58] <jsgotangco> I like Quick Tour
[04:58] <Burgundavia> just throwing out ideas
[04:58] <jsgotangco> remember Breezy is our code
[04:58] <Burgundavia> yes
[04:59] <jsgotangco> its not the mainstream version name
[04:59] <Burgundavia> ya
[04:59] <jsgotangco> brb i should be working at the moment
[05:00] <jsgotangco> besides its my last day heh
[05:00] <jsgotangco> i'll be back later
[05:00] <Madpilot> just a thought before I head off to the gym: should we think about merging https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LinuxIntro and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowComeDraft
[05:00] <Madpilot> they're very similar pages, at least in intent
[05:01] <Burgundavia> sure
[05:01] <jsgotangco> but different authors?
[05:01] <Burgundavia> how about merging them into UbuntuIntro ?
[05:01] <Burgundavia> better title
[05:01] <Madpilot> yeah, different authors
[05:01] <Burgundavia> one had been moved to obselete pages on the old wiki
[05:01] <jsgotangco> hmmm if we could get the original authors on the frontmatter of the merged wiki, then i guess its ok
[05:02] <jsgotangco> we still dont know if they still hold interest in the wiki pages that they made
[05:02] <Madpilot> no page called UbuntuIntro yet.
[05:02] <jsgotangco> that's my opinion though
[05:02] <jsgotangco> i'll brb
[05:03] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, create one
[05:03] <Burgundavia> we are Ubuntu not Linux
[05:03] <Madpilot> rob^ has done most of the work on the HowComeDraft page - is the author of the LinuxIntro page still active?
[05:03] <Burgundavia> no
[05:04] <Burgundavia> it had been moved to obselete pages
[05:04] <Madpilot> OK, I might start on this later tonight - but I'd like to talk to Rob first, because he's done most of the work on getting the HowComeDraft page going
[05:04] <Madpilot> anyway, need food then off to the gym.
[05:04] <Madpilot> bbl
[08:03] <Madpilot> ?
[08:04] <Burgundavia> what
[08:04] <Burgundavia> we had a netsplit
[08:05] <Madpilot> OK, thought so. left the connection running while I was gone, came back to find everything down. just wondered
[08:06] <Burgundavia> freenode has them frequently
[08:07] <Madpilot> I've noticed - I've usually just been lucky enough to be on the non-splitting side of them so far...
[08:07] <Burgundavia> you may have also been booted for being on 24 hours
[08:07] <Burgundavia> freenode does that, regardless of activity
[08:07] <Madpilot> ah, OK. didn't know about that policy.
[08:08] <Madpilot> have you seen Rob - rob^ - around tonight?
[08:08] <Burgundavia> nope
[08:09] <Madpilot> too bad - wanted to talk to him about merging UbuntuHowComeDraft
[08:09] <Madpilot> ah well, it'll wait.
[08:10] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[08:10] <Burgundavia> I did some editing to it
[08:10] <Burgundavia> can you make comments?
[08:11] <Madpilot> sure, just a minute
[08:14] <Madpilot> it looks good - but isn't Backports now offical?
[08:15] <Burgundavia> yes
[08:15] <Burgundavia> might as well add that under the hoary extras
[08:15] <Madpilot> shouldn't that very last section - the one with Extras in it - be above the "totally non-Ubuntu repos" section?
[08:16] <Burgundavia> the non-ubuntus section tells you how to add them
[08:17] <Madpilot> hmm? sorry, I meant shouldn't Specific Non Ubuntu Repositories be above Adding outside repositories?
[08:17] <Burgundavia> then the lower section tells you which ones to add
[08:17] <Madpilot> oh, and fix the Capitalization on Adding outside repositories!
[08:17] <Burgundavia> but you need to know how to add them before
[08:17] <Burgundavia> fix it
[08:17] <Burgundavia> you can login to the wiki
[08:18] <Madpilot> ah, OK, I understand how you've organized it. nvr mind
[08:18] <Madpilot> I am logged in. wasn't sure if you were also editing as we speak
[08:18] <Burgundavia> change the wording, as it sounds confusing
[08:18] <Burgundavia> nop
[08:18] <Burgundavia> it would warn you
[08:20] <Madpilot> change the wording of which lines?
[08:20] <Burgundavia> the confusing stuff
[09:08] <Burgundavia> night mon frere Madpilot
[10:57] <jsgotangco> mdke, ping?
[12:04] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, once again, i am a free man
[12:05] <jsgotangco> hey rob^
[12:05] <jsgotangco> nice email :)
[12:05] <zAo^> wb
[12:05] <rob^> hey jsgotangco
[12:05] <rob^> yea
[12:05] <rob^> its a shame I had to send it
[12:06] <jsgotangco> yeah
[12:06] <jsgotangco> oh well...
[12:06] <jsgotangco> its funny how volunteer work can have a lot of polictics
[12:06] <rob^> yep
[12:07] <rob^> my prize/gift from the KDE docteam turned up yesterday
[12:07] <rob^> an intresting book about Richard Stallman
[12:08] <rob^> you can get it free under the GFDL too
[12:08] <rob^> I went to thank them, as soon as I mentioned Ubuntu it was on for young and old
[12:10] <rob^> lucky for me they like me :)
[12:10] <jsgotangco> whoa
[12:10] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:10] <jsgotangco> i agree with you in all parts
[12:11] <rob^> you have been doing some great work lately
[12:12] <rob^> so have a few others
[12:13] <rob^> but some are doing nothing but causing problems and its these people that need to pull their heads in
[12:14] <Burgundavia> rob^, Madpilot was looking for you, on finalzing the UbuntuHowComeDraft
[12:14] <rob^> well, I had better go and help my wife finish setting up for my sons birthday party tomorrow, I'm dressing up as Mr Incredible :)
[12:15] <rob^> Burgundavia, tell him I'll check it out tomorrow sometime and get back to him
[12:15] <rob^> ok, night all
[12:16] <Burgundavia> night
[12:16] <jsgotangco> lol
[12:16] <jsgotangco> Mr. Incredible with the beer beelly?
[12:17] <rob^> yep thats me :)
[12:18] <jsgotangco> get a very tight belt
[12:50] <jsgotangco> later all
[05:22] <jsgotangco> hi all
[05:24] <mgalvin> hey jsgotangco
[05:26] <jsgotangco> mgalvin hey hows it going
[05:26] <mgalvin> good, lurking in -meeting
[05:26] <mgalvin> want to see where we are so we know what to write about
[05:31] <jsgotangco> there's not much to listen to about in this scheduled meeting because its just about quick updates
[05:34] <mgalvin> yea, i know, but they are at least saying what is and is not done and what things will be deferred
[06:12] <mpt> oh, there's a meeting today?
[06:13] <mpt> ah, not a docs meeting
[06:13] <jsgotangco> hi mpt still awake i see
[06:14] <mpt> It's only 1.14pm :-)
[06:17] <jsgotangco> eh where are you i thought you were based in NZ
[06:18] <mpt> Normally yes, but I'm in Brazil for the next few months
[06:18] <mpt> until the next Ubuntu conference, probably
[06:18] <jsgotangco> ahh by any chance, would you be able to review Style Guide when you have time?
[06:19] <mpt> sure
[06:19] <mpt> How malleable is it?
[06:20] <jsgotangco> its a very open doc in terms of contribution i'll check if there's an updated preview
[06:20] <jsgotangco> bu the style guide should be the foundation of future work in terms of consistency of material
[06:21] <mpt> I mean, are the current docs based on points in the style guide that therefore can't be changed?
[06:21] <jsgotangco> nope
[06:22] <jsgotangco> it was supposed to be finished a few months ago, but no one seemed interested in contributing except me and jeff schering who started it all
[06:23] <mpt> ok
[06:24] <jsgotangco> http://mypage.uniserve.ca/~jeffsch/writing/styleguide/index.html
[06:25] <jsgotangco> its not updated but majority of work is covered
[06:26] <mpt> I won't have time to read it today, and tomorrow I'm moving from the hotel to an apartment, so maybe on Sunday
[06:27] <jsgotangco> sure no rush, just give inputs on the list
[06:28] <jsgotangco> i appreciate it
[06:51] <mgalvin> rob^: ping
[06:56] <jsgotangco> i doubt if he's awake as its 3am on australia
[06:56] <jsgotangco> or depending on his location
[07:15] <jsgotangco> man im so drunk im surprised i still got to go through that meeting
[07:30] <jjesse> afternoon :)
[07:31] <jsgotangco> morning :)
[07:31] <jjesse> grin how are you jsgotangco
[07:32] <jsgotangco> drunk heh
[07:32] <jsgotangco> i still can't sleep but its only 1:30 am
[07:35] <jjesse> are you 12 hours ahead of me?
[07:35] <jjesse> its 1:30pm here
[07:36] <jsgotangco> seems so :)
[07:38] <jjesse> so its saturday morning for you then
[07:39] <jsgotangco> yep pretty much...i just had a few drinks with friends
[07:42] <jjesse> sounds like my plan for this evning
[07:59] <jsgotangco> heh nice..i'll see you later
[10:05] <mgalvin> does anyone remeber is fakeroot it part of the default install (i don't think it is but can
[10:05] <mgalvin> 't recall
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2005-08-10-#ubuntu
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[12:00] <stimpie> abydos, sorry cant help you with that
[12:00] <abydos> sh: /usr/share/enlightenment/data/other/applications.tar.gz: No such file or directory
[12:00] <abydos> Xlib: extension "XpExtension" missing on display ":0.0".
[12:00] <salil> Seveas: is that command wrong..?
[12:00] <Seveas> salil, that's not how you use it...
[12:00] <abydos> XpExtension eh?
[12:00] <stimpie> abydos, I cant even get the repositories right for E17
[12:00] <FAMAS> have you seen the Ubuntu os-tan yet? :o
[12:00] <salil> Seveas: can you show me ?
[12:01] <Seveas> salil, not right now since i'm going to sleep. Maybe the manpage can help you a bit more
[12:01] <salil> Seveas: i tried.. but i'm not getting any thing from it.
[12:01] <ortox> anyone know how to run gparted through the live disc?
[12:02] <lui> I have a little anoying thing about the firefox I recently installed in my ubuntu. anyone could give me a hand please?
[12:02] <zAo^> hmm: dmesg gives me hdc & hdd found, but not in my FS. Gnomebaker & k3b cannot burn
[12:02] <pc19> how do i install java in for firefox?
[12:03] <kaffeend> just to make sure, is this command the right one? chmod +x /home/me/armyops230-linux.run&&run /home/me/armyops230-linux.run
[12:03] <pc19> how do i install java plugin in for firefox?
[12:03] <pc19> how do i install java plugin for firefox?
[12:03] <zAo^> pc19, plz dont. use www.ubuntuforums.org
[12:03] <jasoncohen> !tell pc19 about java
[12:03] <zAo^> of www.ubuntuguide.org
[12:03] <Seveas> pc19: To install java on Ubuntu: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, sudo aptitude install fakeroot java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , fakeroot make-jpkg [the bin file] , sudo dpkg -i [the generated .deb file]
[12:04] <zAo^> omg ^^
[12:04] <zAo^> :D
[12:04] <Seveas> ubuntuforums is good :)
[12:04] <salil> can anyone help me with crontab..??
[12:04] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: no - drop the second "run"
[12:04] <Seveas> kaffeend, just /home/me/armyops230-linux.run
[12:04] <Seveas> and now i'm really off :)
[12:04] <kaffeend> ok thanks again
[12:05] <pc19> thanks
[12:05] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: to run an app, just use the path to the app - "run" will just return an error
[12:05] <CarmenSandieg1> How do I add repositories?
[12:06] <Stormx> haha theres a moth on my screen and Im scaring it away with my mouse pointer
[12:06] <jasoncohen> has anyone else had filesystem corruption or problems with ubuntu just not booting up properly or breaking for no apparent reason?
[12:07] <thoreauputic> Stormx: unfortunately "xkill" won't work on moths ;-)
[12:07] <CarmenSandieg1> Jasoncohen, not me. ;)
[12:07] <thoreauputic> jasoncohen: negative
[12:07] <CarmenSandieg1> Is there a website to go to, to tell me which repositories I should use?
[12:07] <jasoncohen> CarmenSandieg1, it depends on what you want
[12:07] <thoreauputic> jasoncohen: check your RAM and hardware I'd say
[12:08] <kaffeend> OMG - it ran but I got this error back: Error in MD5 checksums: 6e25b44de3d6eade0b54278d6a3dd069 is different from bcae59c8dcd4a48d11e6d06bfa070a09
[12:08] <jasoncohen> thoreauputic, already done - i've run all the SMART tests on my HD and it passes each and i ran memtest for 8 hours- no errors
[12:08] <CarmenSandieg1> Jasoncohen, all except backports.
[12:08] <Seveas> CarmenSandieg1: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[12:08] <gregg_> jasoncohen: run memtest86 and mprime from mersenne.org -- if they report any error, your hardware is broken
[12:08] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: hmm - bad download?
[12:08] <Joose^> hi again
[12:08] <jasoncohen> !tell CarmenSandieg1 about multimedia repositories
[12:08] <kaffeend> hmmm...
[12:09] <Seveas> jasoncohen, that one has backports
[12:09] <jasoncohen> CarmenSandieg1, that'll give you what you want. main, universe, multiverse, universe, hoary-extras
[12:09] <gregg_> jasoncohen: try mprime
[12:09] <kaffeend> was a 7 hour download
[12:09] <Joose^> Seveas i do what u say me... doesn't work
[12:09] <Joose^> default 3 ; time: 5
[12:09] <jasoncohen> Seveas, no it doesn't. i should know- i wrote it!
[12:09] <CarmenSandieg1> Thank you, jasoncohen, and Seveas. :)
[12:09] <Seveas> !multimedia repositories
[12:09] <ubotu> multimedia repositories is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingMultimediaRepositories
[12:09] <jasoncohen> Seveas, it has hoary-extras, not hoary-backports
[12:09] <thoreauputic> Seveas: hope you realised my /msg was a joke ;) I intended to wipe the factoid immediately
[12:10] <Seveas> jasoncohen, it's from the backports project
[12:10] <pc19> ~$ fakeroot make-jpkg jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin
[12:10] <pc19> /usr/bin/fakeroot: line 150: make-jpkg: command not found
[12:10] <jasoncohen> gregg_, what's the difference between mrprime's memtest and ubuntu's?
[12:10] <Seveas> pc19, install java-package
[12:10] <Seveas> pc19, you need to enable multiverse for it
[12:10] <jasoncohen> Seveas, yes, but it's not backports. they're different repositories with different users
[12:10] <gregg_> jasoncohen: mprime is something completely different
[12:10] <jasoncohen> *ues
[12:10] <pc19> how do i do it
[12:10] <gregg_> jasoncohen: it's a CPU test, not a memory test
[12:10] <kaffeend> so is there a way for me to correct this checksum error thing?
[12:10] <pc19> sorry beginner in linux
[12:10] <Seveas> jasoncohen, true, but they still should not be enabled by default :)
[12:10] <Stormx> Seveas, wern't you leaving? Be sure to unmute that guy before you go ;-)
[12:11] <Seveas> pc19, did you ever change /etc/apt/sources.list?
[12:11] <hubsi> how do i get my "version".. i wanna know if it's hoary or breezy
[12:11] <Joose^> the time was done.. i have to choose a option...
[12:11] <jasoncohen> Seveas, and they aren't :)
[12:11] <pc19> no
[12:11] <Seveas> Stormx, done that long time ago....
[12:11] <Stormx> Seveas, sorry I missed it >_>
[12:11] <jasoncohen> that page is for users that want multimedia codecs from extras. he said he wanted everything but backports
[12:11] <pc19> where do i get the guide to do that
[12:11] <dynir> Hello
[12:11] <paxmaster> hello i am having problem with my palm sync to my computer
[12:11] <Seveas> pc19: sudo wget http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/?download=38 -O /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:11] <jasoncohen> i assumed he meant just backports and not extras which has java, w32codecs, libdvdcss2 etc.
[12:12] <Seveas> pc19, then do: apt-get update
[12:12] <stimpie> somehere who managed to install e17 thru nooms.de?
[12:12] <Seveas> pc19, then do: sudo apt-get install java-package
[12:12] <jasoncohen> !tell pc19 about repositories
[12:12] <paxmaster> it has something to do with /dev/pilot
[12:12] <Joose^> Seveas i change default 0 for default 3 and time 5 and doesn't work
[12:12] <jasoncohen> gregg_, is there something wrong with ubuntu's memtest? you said to use memtest from http://mersenne.org/
[12:13] <dynir> unfortunately I'm stuck on windows xp.... I use the Ubuntu live cd to test computer and such, but that's about it.
[12:13] <gregg_> jasoncohen: sorry, my error. of course there is no memtest on mersenne.org :)
[12:13] <Seveas> Joose^, I forgot one thing - the separator is counted too
[12:13] <Seveas> Joose^, after the timeout id did nothing this time right?
[12:13] <gregg_> jasoncohen: ubuntu's memtest is just fine. mersenne.org is the home of mprime thougg
[12:13] <Joose^> yes
[12:13] <kaffeend> well, if I can't manage to make a game run that was meant to run on Linux, I don't like my chances with windows games :s
[12:13] <Seveas> it did not boot anything?
[12:13] <gregg_> though
[12:13] <Joose^> Seveas yes
[12:13] <Joose^> i have to choose a option
[12:13] <Seveas> Joose^, change the 3 to 4
[12:14] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: how long have you been using linux?
[12:14] <Seveas> my mistake - the menu separator is counted too
[12:14] <Joose^> Seveas oka thanz... and the tiem is okay in 5 ?
[12:14] <salil> ubotu: help me with crontab
[12:14] <kaffeend> 3 days now thoreauputic
[12:14] <Seveas> Joose^, sure :)
[12:14] <kaffeend> 3 very long days
[12:14] <Joose^> Seveas :P okay... thanz again!
[12:14] <Seveas> salil, type sudo gedit /etc/crontab
[12:14] <sun_> the best days of one's life!
[12:15] <pc19> Seveas: Unable to lock the list directory
[12:15] <Seveas> and enter a timestamp and command to run
[12:15] <Seveas> pc19, when do you get that?
[12:15] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: the installation for your game sounded... non-trivial. I think you kind of were jumping in at the deep end
[12:15] <pc19> apt get update
[12:15] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: don't let that put you off, is what I'm saying
[12:15] <Seveas> pc19, close synaptic
[12:15] <salil> Seveas: what do i do there..?
[12:15] <kaffeend> thoreauputic hmmm... okay
[12:15] <Seveas> salil, you enter a timestamp in the format described there and the command you want to run
[12:16] <sun_> kaffeend: "The greatest test of courage is to bear defeat without losing heart."
[12:16] <kaffeend> I still have to get this working ASAP
[12:16] <salil> okay.. i'll try
[12:16] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: also the md5sum mismatch suggests something was wrong with the file
[12:16] <Seveas> to run something at 10am you type:
[12:16] <jasoncohen> gregg_, mrprime is a cpu test program? doesn't it just find primes?
[12:16] <Seveas> 0 10 * * * root /path/to/program
[12:16] <kaffeend> I don't want courage, sun_ I wanna frag ffs!
[12:16] <pc19> its a command?
[12:16] <jasoncohen> gregg_, i don't see anything about it being used as a tool to check the CPU
[12:17] <Seveas> pc19, do you have synaptic or another package manager open?
[12:17] <gregg_> jasoncohen: it has a special torture test mode that's specially designed for this purpose
[12:17] <jasoncohen> ok
[12:17] <apokryphos> Is there a command to check *Network* uptime?
[12:17] <gregg_> it's also commonly used for such things
[12:17] <sun_> kaffeend: what are "ffs"?
[12:17] <kaffeend> thoreauputic I'll download it again
[12:17] <pc19> no
[12:17] <Seveas> apokryphos, no
[12:17] <Spudchat> is there a better way to see what running than "ps"
[12:17] <kaffeend> ??
[12:17] <jasoncohen> gregg_, do you know what packages i need to satisfy its dependencies?
[12:17] <gregg_> jasoncohen: huh?
[12:17] <kaffeend> ffs = for fuck's sake
[12:18] <Spudchat> sorry whats running in the background
[12:18] <thoreauputic> Seveas: I'm assuming your silence re: my little joke means you didn't appreciate it.. so be it.
[12:18] <apokryphos> Seveas: and nothing in /proc that might do it?
[12:18] <gregg_> jasoncohen: I'd simply grab the statically linked, precompiled executable :)
[12:18] <salil> Seveas: what do i give for minutely..??
[12:18] <Seveas> thoreauputic, I didn;t really appreciate it but didn't mind either :)
[12:18] <kaffeend> sun_ but thankyou for your encouragement :D
[12:18] <thoreauputic> Seveas: OK :)
[12:18] <Seveas> salil to run something at 10am you type:
[12:18] <Seveas> 0 10 * * * root /path/to/program
[12:18] <pc19> seveas: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied
[12:18] <sun_> speaking of games, does anyone play TC:E? it's quite enjoyable
[12:19] <Seveas> apokryphos, nope, nothing in /sys either
[12:19] <Seveas> pc19, ah!
[12:19] <Seveas> sudo apt-get update
[12:19] <salil> Seveas: i mean.. for minutes.. like in cron.weekly and cron.hourly.. for minutes what do i give..?
[12:19] <jasoncohen> gregg_, does it need to be run with root privileges?
[12:19] <apokryphos> :S
[12:19] <Seveas> salil, the point in time you want to run it
[12:19] <kaffeend> what genre is that sun_?
[12:19] <gregg_> jasoncohen: no
[12:19] <pc19> thanks
[12:19] <Seveas> and in cron.hourly/weekly you give no timestamps..
[12:19] <paxmaster> hello i am having problem with my palm sync to my computer
[12:20] <sun_> kaffeend: it is like counter-strike, but far more realistic; and open source! :)
[12:20] <kaffeend> sun_ ooh... reaaaally? Hmmm...
[12:20] <Seveas> salil, if you be a bit more specific in what you want to run and when, I can give you a pre-coooked example
[12:20] <kaffeend> FPS is my fav genre! ;)
[12:21] <salil> i want to turn off the modem... "poff" at 7 o'clock..
[12:21] <CarmenSandieg1> Why doesn't Ubuntu "support" libdvdcss2?
[12:21] <mark_> !backport
[12:21] <ubotu> methinks backport is at http://backports.ubuntuforums.org | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[12:21] <mark_> !backports
[12:21] <ubotu> it has been said that backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[12:21] <mark_> oops
[12:21] <jasoncohen> gregg_, ok i chose the "Options/Torture Test"
[12:21] <kaffeend> will I need cedega to run it sun_?
[12:21] <sun_> kaffeend: have a look: http://truecombat.com/intro.php
[12:21] <mark_> soz :D
[12:21] <kaffeend> looking now
[12:21] <mark_> bbs
[12:21] <sun_> kaffeend: it has native linux & windows binary
[12:21] <jasoncohen> gregg_, how long does it need to be run to find problems?
[12:21] <kaffeend> o_O
[12:21] <Seveas> salil: 0 7 * * * root /usr/bin/poff
[12:22] <kaffeend> binary? lovely
[12:22] <gregg_> jasoncohen: good question. :) probably half an hour is fine.
[12:22] <Seveas> that's the complete line to add to /etc/crontab
[12:22] <kaffeend> sun_ these weapon models look fantastic too!
[12:22] <salil> oh .. i think it worked..
[12:23] <jasoncohen> how accurate ar the SMART tests? A HD can still be failing even if it passes every test?
[12:23] <thoreauputic> salil: unless you meant 7 pm
[12:23] <sun_> kaffeend: yup. this game is a mod for "enemy territory"
[12:23] <salil> Seveas: thanks a lot
[12:23] <MartenH> kaffeend, what game are you talking about?
[12:23] <kaffeend> but that's RTCW mod
[12:23] <gregg_> jasoncohen: it'll try to recomputer known large primes and if that fails, you'll know you cpu is flaky/overheated/whatever
[12:23] <sun_> kaffeend: enemy territory (ET) has been made standalone & released under GPL many years ago
[12:23] <kaffeend> True Combat Elite MartenH
[12:23] <MartenH> kaffeend, I imagine it is playable on linux?
[12:23] <pc19> where do i get the name of the package
[12:24] <kaffeend> sun_ I see
[12:24] <^thehatsrule^> kaffeend: i play tce as well
[12:24] <sun_> MartenH: that is correct. you can get source or native linux/windows binary
[12:24] <kaffeend> sun_ I have been playing and modding for FarCry now for about 8 months
[12:24] <kev_> i just installed ubuntu 5.04. when i go to update packages it reports that it can't authenticate any of the packages. how do i go about adding the appropriate keys for the standard repositories?
[12:24] <Storm> Hi everyone, i have some sound problems, i cant get 5.1 surround, and the sound i got now scuurs and has lowlowlow quality. ANyone?
[12:25] <TerrorBite> I have a dodgy soundcard, picks up mobo noise
[12:25] <Seveas> Kev0r, the standard repository keys are installed automagically
[12:25] <TerrorBite> try wrapping it in tinfoil :=)
[12:25] <MartenH> sun_, nice. an donline gaming I assume?
[12:25] <sun_> kaffeend: cool; i hope you get to know TC:E better then :)
[12:25] <kaffeend> ^thehatsrule^ cool we can go afraggin together then! ;)
[12:25] <MartenH> sun_, how much does it cost?
[12:25] <sun_> MartenH: yes. it is an online-only game
[12:25] <pc19> seveas: cannot find package
[12:25] <sun_> MartenH: it is free as in beer & speech (GPL)
[12:25] <kaffeend> this game better not suck! :P
[12:26] <gregg_> Storm: some soundcards aren't fully supported with ubuntu. it might help if we knew the name of the card or better, chipset
[12:26] <pc19> E: Couldn't find package jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin
[12:26] <Seveas> pc19, hehe
[12:26] <thoreauputic> pc19: if you mean the name of a package you want to install, apt-cache search <keyword> will help
[12:26] <holycow> how the heck does norton ghost image hd's so quickly
[12:26] <Seveas> that's not the right command
[12:26] <kev_> Seveas: any thoughts on why it (dpkg or that little systray thing) would complain about not being able to authenticate the packages?
[12:26] <holycow> it must not write every byte to the platters like dd ... *hmmm*
[12:26] <Seveas> pc19, did you do: sudo apt-get install java-package
[12:26] <kaffeend> sun_ do I need enemy territory to install this as a mod?
[12:26] <Storm> 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)
[12:26] <Seveas> kev_, perhaps you use nonstandard repositories
[12:26] <pc19> no
[12:26] <MartenH> sun_, the whole game? Nice! Where can I find more info? official website?
[12:26] <sun_> MartenH: have a look at the website truecombat.com/intro.php
[12:27] <sun_> MartenH: have a look at the website truecombat.com/intro.php
[12:27] <Seveas> pc19, then do that
[12:27] <MartenH> sun_, :) ty
[12:27] <pc19> sudo apt-get install jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586
[12:27] <pc19> .bin
[12:27] <TerrorBite> Storm: I have one of those too, but it works fine. It's built in
[12:27] <kev_> Seveas: this is in a fresh install. even on the first reboot when it goes on the network to download updated packages it complained. the install occurred ~5 min ago
[12:27] <Seveas> no
[12:27] <sun_> kaffeend: yes, you need ET for TC:E
[12:27] <pc19> this :sudo apt-get install jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586
[12:27] <Seveas> pc19, sudo apt-get install java-package
[12:27] <crimsun> Storm: are you using plug:surround51?
[12:27] <kaffeend> methinks maybe sun_ has been involved with this game's development :/
[12:27] <kaffeend> ok
[12:27] <Seveas> type that over literally
[12:27] <holycow> heh, good exit msg
[12:27] <pc19> ok
[12:27] <kaffeend> 2 downloads coming right up
[12:27] <sun_> kaffeend: i wish =) sorry, i'm just another player
[12:28] <Storm> crimsun: dont think so
[12:28] <kaffeend> ok
[12:28] <sun_> kaffeend: they have contact info on their website if you want to get involved
[12:28] <TerrorBite> storm: Do the drivers work?
[12:28] <Seveas> pc19, did that work?
[12:28] <kaffeend> this game's still in BETA
[12:29] <pc19> yes thanks
[12:29] <Seveas> pc19, ok, next step
[12:29] <Storm> TerrorBite: I havent gotten any spesial drivers :S
[12:29] <zkruw> anyone know how to burn an avi movie so im able to watch it on my standalone dvd-player? It dosent work like windows :S u know the burn data st
[12:29] <zkruw> uff
[12:29] <Seveas> pc19, fakeroot make-jpkg jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin
[12:29] <frank_b> hi all
[12:29] <Storm> lu
[12:30] <TerrorBite> Storm: Maybe you just have a dicky plug
[12:30] <sun_> kaffeend: quite right. they use logical versioning like many open source projects; so although it's BETA it's as good as CS
[12:30] <Storm> TerrorBite: Where can i get new plug?
[12:30] <TerrorBite> Storm: I'm assuming it's a built in VT82C686?
[12:31] <pc19> seveas: where do i learn this things
[12:31] <TerrorBite> Storm: Just clean it with a cotton bud, it might help
[12:31] <Storm> TerrorBite: I guess
[12:31] <salil> Seveas: it worked for the first time.. now its not working again..
[12:31] <jasoncohen> gregg_, will the tests just go on forever? it's on the second test now
[12:31] <Seveas> pc19, this thing is also explained on a wikipage
[12:31] <pc19> seveas: this work only in ubuntu?
[12:31] <Seveas> pc19, it's a debian thing
[12:31] <Storm> TerrorBite: its is a software problem.
[12:31] <jasoncohen> gregg_, or is there a certain number of tests it goes through
[12:31] <Seveas> pc19, did the fakeroot etc.... finish already?
[12:32] <pc19> not yet
[12:32] <frank_b> can someone tell me how to delete a directory owned by "root"?
[12:32] <TerrorBite> Storm: ok then, maybe you need better drivers
[12:32] <Seveas> frank_b, which directory?
[12:32] <diesel> I would like to use ssh to encrypt my web traffic. How do I do that?
[12:32] <pc19> done
[12:33] <TerrorBite> frank_b: Open a root terminal then type "rmdir <path>" but make sure the dir is empty
[12:33] <Seveas> pc19, ok last step now
[12:33] <thoreauputic> frank_b: yes, but I'd like to know what it is first - it might be rather important :)
[12:33] <Seveas> sudo dpkg -i sun*deb
[12:33] <pc19> cool
[12:33] <frank_b> Seveas: one called "winamp" in my home folder... (it appears with a key symbol in nautilus)
[12:33] <TerrorBite> thoreauputic: god point
[12:33] <Seveas> frank_b, sudo rm
[12:33] <TerrorBite> *good even
[12:33] <Ozziej> hi
[12:33] <kaffeend> sun_ I remember when we all used to play Rogue Spear... It was da bomb, and then I got to be a part of a beta testing team for Half Life. We were all gaga over the graphics, and some of the guys said "hey, let's mod this engine to recreate Rogue Spear"... I don't know for sure, but I think that may have been the birth of CS - which is just a mod after all.
[12:33] <Seveas> frank_b, sudo rm -r /home/YOUR_USERNAME/winamp
[12:34] <gregg_> no, just different primes
[12:34] <gregg_> jasoncohen: no, just different primes
[12:34] <frank_b> Seveas: thanks. I'll try that one.
[12:35] <salil> Seveas: 44 4 5 * * salil /usr/bin/poff................ this is it no..??
[12:35] <TerrorBite> Seveas: I heep forgetting about sudo, it's new to me. It prompts for the root password in a little box, yes?
[12:35] <Seveas> salil, that would only work on 4:44 am on the 5th of every mothn
[12:35] <Seveas> and would run as user salil
[12:36] <frank_b> (to all: I've tried using the root terminal, entering the command "rmdir" but it said the directory was not empty, therefore it wouldn delete it. I tried the "--ignore..." option then, but nothing happened...)
[12:36] <kaffeend> a quick question - can I play this game on my 64 bit system?
[12:36] <Seveas> poff should be run as root iirc
[12:36] <thoreauputic> TerrorBite: you are thinking of gksudo - sudo prompts on a new line in the terminal
[12:36] <salil> Seveas: yes.. that is what i want.. but its is not working..
[12:36] <pc19> seveas: last step?
[12:36] <frank_b> I'll try the rm option
[12:36] <Seveas> frank_b, rm -r is a recursive remove
[12:36] <Seveas> pc19, sudo dpkg -i sun*deb
[12:36] <Storm> TerrorBite: Working on it :P
[12:36] <salil> it should work rite now on my computer .. but its not working..
[12:36] <salil> Seveas: it should work rite now on my computer .. but its not working.
[12:36] <Seveas> salil, it's :36 now, not :44 :)
[12:37] <TerrorBite> thoreauputic: thanks
[12:37] <frank_b> Seveas: yes, thanks! it worked! :)
[12:37] <salil> Seveas: in my computer.. its 46 now..
[12:37] <Seveas> ah
[12:37] <thoreauputic> Seveas: poff doesn't need root if run by a user in the dialup and dip groups
[12:37] <Seveas> salil, odd
[12:37] <TerrorBite> thoreauputic: sort of like su - -c '<command>'?
[12:37] <Seveas> maybe you put it in too late
[12:37] <Seveas> try with :55 now
[12:37] <salil> Seveas: how come..?
[12:38] <Ozziej> hi
[12:38] <Seveas> thoreauputic, check, thanks
[12:38] <thoreauputic> TerrorBite: try it and see - yes, similar
[12:38] <confrey> how can I force apt to use debs from local archives before using debs from internet archives?
[12:38] <sun_> kaffeend, wow you've been modding since back then?
[12:38] <salil> Seveas: i'm trying with 50
[12:38] <TerrorBite> thoreauputic: sorry, love to try but I'm currently on Windows :-(
[12:38] <salil> Seveas: btw.. how to you know what time it is here...?
[12:38] <kaffeend> sun_ no I was just playing then - only started modding about 8 months ago
[12:38] <frank_b> thank you everyone. bye. :)
[12:39] <thoreauputic> TerrorBite: ah, that will cramp you a little, yes ;)
[12:39] <Seveas> salil, my clock is synchronized to a timeserver
[12:39] <TerrorBite> lol
[12:39] <Seveas> if yours were synchronized, it would be :39 now too on your pc
[12:39] <salil> Seveas: mine.. is not.. mine is my home time..
[12:39] <salil> Seveas: it is 4 in the afternoon..?
[12:39] <sun_> kaffeend, so what motivated you to try ubuntu?
[12:40] <Seveas> salil I said nothing about the hour :0
[12:40] <Seveas> :(
[12:40] <Seveas> :)
[12:40] <kaffeend> is there any reason java would be preventing the download of this file?
[12:40] <Seveas> dang...
[12:40] <Positron> i heard that ndiswrapper is available with ubuntu ; yet, i dont find it in synaptic
[12:40] <salil> Seveas: ooh.. okay..
[12:40] <kaffeend> windows shat itself
[12:40] <Seveas> salil, 4 in the afternoon is 16, not 4!
[12:40] <skalpel_> can someone tell me why cdrecord will not work for me even though i am using the correct device node?
[12:40] <Squall> ellow, i got a little problem with passwords
[12:40] <crimsun> skalpel_: are you using /dev/hdX ?
[12:40] <TerrorBite> kaffeend: that i'd like to see
[12:40] <Squall> i just booted an old computer
[12:40] <salil> Seveas: yes.. its 4 in the morning here.. i thought it was 4 in the afternoon at your place..
[12:40] <Squall> but i forgot the passwords
[12:40] <sun_> kaffeend, good reason :)
[12:40] <skalpel_> crimsun: yes
[12:40] <Seveas> :)
[12:40] <Squall> how can i get it back?
[12:41] <Seveas> salil, no it's 00:40 here :)
[12:41] <salil> Seveas: okay
[12:41] <pc19> seveas: thats cool. thanks a lot!
[12:41] <kaffeend> sun_ Ubuntu seemed the right mix of user friendly gui and rock solid stability - from what I had heard
[12:41] <Seveas> pc19, to save up diskspace, remove the ,bin and the .deb again
[12:41] <kaffeend> ] TerrorBite windows shitting itself?
[12:41] <Seveas> you don't need them anymore :)
[12:41] <salil> Seveas: its still not working..
[12:41] <pc19> where do i find them?
[12:42] <salil> Seveas: i don't know.. what is wrong
[12:42] <Squall> anyone can help? give me link?
[12:42] <pc19> i saw them
[12:42] <pc19> lol
[12:42] <skalpel_> crimsun: /dev/hdc to be exacty
[12:42] <TerrorBite> kaffeend: but then it does it all the time, doesn't it? Blue screens and all of that
[12:42] <salil> Seveas: when i hit gedit /etc/crontab.. then i get some warnings..
[12:42] <pc19> hehehehe im leaving windows soon
[12:42] <kaffeend> yeah
[12:42] <pc19> lol
[12:42] <Seveas> salil, copy your crontab on the pastebin please
[12:42] <skalpel_> how do i switch to window 11, 12 etc in irssi, anyone know?
[12:42] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: you can tell when windows is really unhealthy by the blue colour of its faeces ;)
[12:42] <Seveas> and the warnings with it
[12:42] <Seveas> skalpel, /win 12
[12:42] <skalpel_> k
[12:42] <salil> Seveas: what is a paste bin??
[12:43] <TerrorBite> thoreauputic: lol
[12:43] <jasoncohen> pc19, why don't you just enable hoary-extras and "sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5"
[12:43] <Seveas> salil, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[12:43] <salil> Seveas: ooh :)
[12:43] <Goodspeed> ok i have a .1386 file with no extension
[12:43] <Goodspeed> if i set it to .tar
[12:43] <Squall> anyone wants to help an idiot?
[12:43] <Seveas> jasoncohen, (s)he had already downloaded the .bin :)
[12:43] <Goodspeed> it has the file . and then the subs usr in it
[12:43] <Goodspeed> how do i use this file?
[12:43] <skalpel_> crimsun: you there?
[12:43] <apokryphos> Squall: no-one can without knowing the problem/issue
[12:43] <TerrorBite> Squall, why else are we here?
[12:43] <thoreauputic> Squall: wow, that's a great opening line!
[12:43] <jasoncohen> Seveas, he's been working on it for a while. it would have been installed a long time ago if he just used the deb
[12:43] <crimsun> skalpel_: what error are you getting?
[12:43] <pc19> Jasoncohen: how is that
[12:44] <kaffeend> windows has encountered a problem and needs to be shut down. Any unsaved work will be torn from you and fed to the demons of hell. Send error report if you want, but we don't read them, so you may as well fuck yourself! We apologize for the inconvenience.
[12:44] <jasoncohen> pc19, how is what?
[12:44] <Squall> thoreauputic i had an opening line earlyer
[12:44] <Seveas> jasoncohen, not per se
[12:44] <salil> Seveas: i did it..
[12:44] <Seveas> downloading from hoary-extras is slow :)
[12:44] <Squall> i need root password recovery help
[12:44] <Squall> i got the computer right next to me
[12:44] <deprave> how do you make a new window in irssi
[12:44] <pc19> Jasoncohen: so new with linux. dont know what u mean?
[12:44] <Squall> how do i do it?
[12:44] <TerrorBite> I better go, Storm, frank_b, thoreauputic, kaffeend and that - see ya later
[12:44] <jasoncohen> Seveas, not for me
[12:44] <Seveas> Squall: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[12:44] <skalpel_> crimsun: i got this error whern i used -scanbus
[12:44] <thoreauputic> Squall: if it's Ubuntu,boot in recovery mode
[12:44] <skalpel_> crimsun: cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[12:44] <kaffeend> cya terrorbite
[12:44] <jasoncohen> !tell pc19 about java
[12:44] <crimsun> skalpel_: you're not supposed to use -scanbus
[12:44] <Squall> Seveas: i know that. i dont know root or user passwords :>
[12:45] <jasoncohen> pc19, if you follow those instructions you can easily install java from synaptic
[12:45] <skalpel_> crimsun: from what i know my drive uses atapi drivers
[12:45] <jasoncohen> pc19, or apt-get
[12:45] <Squall> thoreauputic: after i boot to recovery what do i do?
[12:45] <crimsun> skalpel_: dev=/dev/hdc should work just fine
[12:45] <jasoncohen> pc19, first follow this guide -- > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingMultimediaRepositories to add hoary-extras
[12:45] <jasoncohen> pc19, then "sudo apt-get install sun-j2re-1.5"
[12:46] <salil> Seveas: i posted it in the pastebin
[12:46] <Seveas> salil, looks right to me
[12:46] <Seveas> salil, what is the warning you get?
[12:46] <thoreauputic> Squall: you can make a new user with the adduser command, for example (you should get a root prompt by default)
[12:46] <Ozziej> hi, im having a problem with the nvidia driver installer, could someone please read this log http://www.farg.demon.nl/nvidia-installer.log i have the right kernel headers installed
[12:46] <bolsh> Hi
[12:46] <Seveas> jasoncohen, he already has java now!!
[12:46] <salil> Seveas: shall i post that too??
[12:46] <pc19> Jasoncohen: jewish?
[12:46] <Seveas> please don't confuse people
[12:46] <Seveas> salil, please do
[12:46] <bolsh> I'm having trouble with my keyboard layout, just after installing hoary
[12:46] <mike_> hmm
[12:46] <Squall> thoreauputic botter the recovery a few hours earlyer but all i got was a login prompt
[12:46] <jasoncohen> pc19, yes
[12:46] <Squall> :>
[12:46] <bolsh> I have a mac keyboard (chosen)
[12:46] <skalpel_> crimsun: can you give me an example of how wildcards work in unix?
[12:47] <salil> Seveas: okay
[12:47] <Seveas> pc19, don't type the sudo apt-get install that jasoncohen gave you
[12:47] <Seveas> pc19, you already have java, installing it twice is pointless
[12:47] <crimsun> skalpel_: cp * /tmp/.
[12:47] <bolsh> which I also identified during the install (why isn't the same layout carried over after the install, I wonder?)
[12:47] <jasoncohen> Seveas, oh, so you were just telling him to remove the .deb to save space?
[12:47] <skalpel_> ok
[12:47] <jasoncohen> pc19, nevermind then
[12:47] <Seveas> jasoncohen, yeah
[12:47] <thoreauputic> Squall: try hitting ctrl-d
[12:47] <Firetech> I want to be able to make caps lock itself do nothing, while alt+caps lock should act as caps lock normally would do. This is possible to do in the console by changing the kmap files, but in X I can't find out how... Anyone here that has an idea about this?
[12:47] <bolsh> But a bunch of keys aren't the same as in the mac layout~$ for example
[12:47] <Squall> thoreauputic: thx will try
[12:48] <salil> Seveas: can you make anything out of that..?
[12:48] <jasoncohen> pc19, yes, i am
[12:48] <teferi> hmm, curioser and curioser.
[12:48] <teferi> looking at /proc/kallsyms tlels me that at least some of the atheros driver functions got linked into the kernel...
[12:48] <teferi> it's like the modules are somehow half-loaded
[12:48] <skalpel_> crimsun: what would i use to sepreate multiple directories that i want to write to disc, a comma?
[12:49] <Seveas> salil, irrelevant error, has nothing to do with this
[12:49] <teferi> very, very weird
[12:49] <crimsun> skalpel_: no, whitespace
[12:49] <skalpel_> crimsun: thank you very much
[12:49] <salil> Seveas: okay... . so what do you think i should do ..?
[12:49] <bolsh> Plus the keyboard manager keeps crashing on me
[12:49] <Seveas> salil, no idea really....
[12:49] <Seveas> are you sure you saved the file in time?
[12:50] <skalpel_> crimsun: can i paste you the error message i am getting?
[12:50] <salil> Seveas: yes.. its just as it says in the pastebin..
[12:50] <Seveas> salil, also: do you get any info from /var/log/messages about it?
[12:50] <kaffeend> sun_ is it normal to download a page full of commands?
[12:50] <salil> Seveas: no..
[12:50] <crimsun> skalpel_: paste in #flood
[12:51] <Ozziej> no one can help me with my problem? log-> http://www.farg.demon.nl/nvidia-installer.log <- i have to use the manual install because any driver newer than 4496 doesnt work correctly
[12:51] <skalpel_> crimsun: get that?
[12:52] <Seveas> Ozziej, sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[12:52] <Ozziej> whats aptitude?
[12:52] <crimsun> skalpel_: medium error? got a blank cdr in the drive?
[12:52] <Seveas> Ozziej, it's a package manager
[12:52] <skalpel> crimsun: cd-rw, i do not get this error when i write to cd-r
[12:53] <crimsun> skalpel: sounds like a hardware issue or a cd-rw media issue, then.
[12:53] <crimsun> Ozziej: you'll need the 2.6 patches from minion.de
[12:53] <skalpel> crimsun: what do you mean by cd-rw issue?
[12:53] <skalpel> i never had any of these problems in windows, i burned several cd-rw discs before switching to ubuntu
[12:53] <crimsun> skalpel: as in the cd-rw you used isn't blank or is closed.
[12:54] <skalpel> crimsun: how do i blank a disc (i already did this in gnomebaker but iw ill try it again)
[12:54] <crimsun> skalpel: it's in the instructions.
[12:54] <kaffeend> I just tried to download this game, and all I got was a page full of text that starts with: #!/bin/sh
[12:54] <kaffeend> # This script was generated using Makeself 2.1.1
[12:54] <kaffeend> CRCsum="1634970702"
[12:54] <kaffeend> MD5="f76b8599439dd882a52ba038d4700edc"
[12:54] <kaffeend> TMPROOT=${TMPDIR:=/tmp}
[12:54] <crimsun> use -help or --help
[12:54] <kaffeend> does anyone know what I'm meant to do with it?
[12:54] <Seveas> kaffeend, save that as runme.sh
[12:54] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: it's a script
[12:54] <kaffeend> okies
[12:54] <pc19> seveas: how do i install printer thru network?
[12:54] <Seveas> kaffeend, then type chmod +x runme.sh
[12:54] <kaffeend> cool
[12:54] <black_Nightmare> hey there
[12:54] <Ozziej> crimsun, minion.de doesnt provide the patches anymore
[12:54] <Seveas> kaffeend, then type ./runme.sh
[12:55] <black_Nightmare> just wondering but there any audio player with ubuntu itself?
[12:55] <Seveas> pc19, system->administration->printing
[12:55] <Squall> thoreauputic: im still stuck. i did ctrl+d and got to the login prompt?
[12:55] <crimsun> Ozziej: http://sh.nu/download/nvidia/linux-2.6/
[12:55] <Seveas> pc19, printer-> add printer
[12:55] <Seveas> pc19, then choose network printer
[12:55] <skalpel> crimsun: when i try to blank the disc i get this error: drecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/sg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[12:55] <bolsh> Nightmare...
[12:55] <Seveas> and select the type of it and type its name
[12:56] <crimsun> skalpel: are you using dev=/dev/hdc ?
[12:56] <thoreauputic> Squall: that's odd - I just booted frome recovery mode here on another old machine and got a root prompt
[12:56] <black_Nightmare> bolsh yes?
[12:56] <bolsh> I just want stuff to work... how many mac keyboard layouts are there for French?
[12:56] <Ozziej> thanx crimsun
[12:56] <skalpel> i am now.
[12:56] <bolsh> black_Nightmare, Not you, this keyboard configuration problem :)
[12:56] <thoreauputic> Squall: you know what a root prompt looks like, I assume?
[12:56] <kaffeend> okay, this time I wrote those things down in gedit ;)
[12:56] <black_Nightmare> lol
[12:56] <kaffeend> so I won't have to ask again
[12:56] <black_Nightmare> anyone?
[12:56] <bolsh> The keyboard configuration application keeps dying on me if I choose any of the alternative French layouts
[12:57] <lui> people, I can't play mp3's with Rhythmbox 0.8.8
[12:57] <thoreauputic> Squall: did you hit <escape> to get the grub menu ?
[12:57] <Ozziej> oke, i'll try installing the drivers again
[12:57] <Ozziej> brb
[12:57] <bolsh> The default GFrench layout with Mac keyboard looks great in the graphical preview, but the keys don't match
[12:57] <Squall> thoreauputic: tryping what i saw: give root password for maintenance or type contral-d for normal starup:
[12:57] <lui> anyone knows why?
[12:57] <Squall> so i did ctrl-d
[12:57] <Squall> i f*cked up?
[12:57] <thoreauputic> Squall: is this hoary?
[12:58] <Squall> thoreauputic: warty
[12:58] <lui> it tells me i haven't a pluggin for mp3 installed but the system seems ok
[12:58] <Seveas> lui, sudo aptitude install gstreamer0.8-mad
[12:58] <lui> ok Seveas. let me try that
[12:58] <Squall> i dont have any hoary install cd
[12:58] <Squall> so i just net upgrade it usualy
[12:58] <Squall> :>
[12:58] <thoreauputic> Squall: hmmm - not sure what the default behaviour is for warty - for hoary recovery mode gives a root prompt
[12:58] <skalpel> crimsun: i get this message: cdrecord: Drive needs to reload the media to return to proper status.
[12:58] <kaffeend> also - whenever I drag a window it leaves an ugly trail of it's own image wherever I drag it and I can't read anything... does anyone else have this problem?
[12:59] <skalpel> crimsun: and then it opens the drawer and then closes it before writing
[12:59] <crimsun> skalpel: then you need to follow those directions. Sorry, I'm busy.
[12:59] <black_Nightmare> I need to ask because I need to run a disc cleaner and I have to specific an audio player to run track 1
[12:59] <pc19> seveas: i will use windows printer: SMB
[12:59] <Squall> anyone else has any idea how to recover password on warty?
[01:00] <pc19> seveas: what will i put in host?
[01:00] <Seveas> pc19, the IP address of the machine that the printer is connected to
[01:00] <lui> Seveas: it shows me this msg >>> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "gstreamer0.8-mad"
[01:00] <lui> No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
[01:00] <Seveas> lui, you might need to enable universe
[01:00] <Squall> looks like reinstalling is the only option
[01:01] <Joose^> hi again...
[01:01] <lui> and how can I do that?
[01:01] <Ozziej> crimsun, i got another error this time, ERROR: Unable to load the kernel module 'nvidia.ko'
[01:01] <crimsun> Ozziej: look at the installer log. Sorry, I'm very busy atm.
[01:01] <black_Nightmare> another Q..is there a probe for to see a full table of the res/etc your card could do?
[01:01] <kaffeend> how do I stop this graphics problem please?
[01:01] <thoreauputic> Squall: if you can chroot from a live CD you should be able to fix it
[01:01] <Joose^> how i can listen mp3 files on totem?
[01:01] <jasoncohen> gregg_, well the CPU doesn't appear to be the problem. i've already run through 6 tests over 40 minutes
[01:02] <jasoncohen> gregg_, 3 1024K passes and 3 8K passes, now doing 10K
[01:02] <Squall> thoreauputic: only live cd is hoary and i cant boot it on a p1 with 64mb with any speed :>
[01:02] <thoreauputic> Joose^: install gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:02] <Joose^> how?
[01:02] <pc19> seveas: im on dhcp, so how do i do that?
[01:02] <jasoncohen> gregg_, it doesn't even appear to have slowed down the machine - cpu usage is 100% but it still runs fine
[01:03] <kaffeend> how do I stop this graphics problem please? where I drag the window and it paints itself all over the screen?
[01:03] <Stormx> GAH
[01:03] <Stormx> Guys...
[01:03] <Seveas> pc19, the windows machine name may work too
[01:03] <Stormx> How do you make Nautilus actually show hidden files.......
[01:03] <lui> Seveas: what is that universe you told me?
[01:03] <Stormx> I've checked the god damn "show hidden and system files" box
[01:03] <Stormx> but no.
[01:03] <Joose^> how i install gstreamer0.8-mad, please a newbie
[01:04] <pc19> seveas: driver is not on the list
[01:04] <Joose^> i am a newbie
[01:04] <thoreauputic> Squall: you might be able to use the install CD as a rescue disc - I forget the exact way but when it starts you can press F1 or F2 or something to get a list of options
[01:04] <Stormx> Applications > System Tools > Add / Remove Programs
[01:04] <kaffeend> !multimedia
[01:04] <ubotu> from memory, multimedia is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[01:04] <Stormx> Press "Advanced"
[01:04] <Seveas> lui, did you ever change /etc/apt/sources.list yourself?
[01:04] <Seveas> Joose^, enable universe
[01:04] <Squall> thoreauputic: ok will try. thx
[01:04] <Stormx> Hey Seveas: Nautilus won't let me see hidden files.
[01:05] <Seveas> Stormx, the bastard :)
[01:05] <Joose^> Seveas umm? sorry i don't understand.. :P
[01:05] <Stormx> Yep
[01:05] <lui> Seveas: no man I don't
[01:05] <Stormx> He's damn evil
[01:05] <Seveas> lui, great, make it easy :)
[01:05] <Stormx> is there so way I can tempt him into letting me see them?
[01:05] <Squall> thoreauputic: btw do you by any chance know if ubuntu has fluxbox .deb`s?
[01:05] <Seveas> lui, type this command:
[01:05] <skalpel> how do i set the startup size for my gnome-terminal?
[01:05] <Seveas> lui: sudo wget http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/?download=38 -O /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:05] <thoreauputic> Joose^: read the URL ubotu will spit out below
[01:05] <thoreauputic> !repos
[01:05] <ubotu> rumour has it, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:05] <Stormx> Yo Seveas, any suggestions?
[01:05] <Seveas> lui, then you do sudo apt-get update
[01:05] <Stormx> !MAKE NAUTILUS WORK DAMN YOU
[01:05] <Seveas> and you can install it :)
[01:05] <ubotu> Stormx: Are you smoking crack?
[01:05] <SuperID> there are no packages for linmodem?
[01:06] <thoreauputic> Squall: yes, it does, in universe
[01:06] <Seveas> Stormx, chill....
[01:06] <SuperID> !linmodem
[01:06] <ubotu> SuperID: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[01:06] <Stormx> lol
[01:06] <Squall> great
[01:06] <Squall> thx
[01:06] <Stormx> I just wanted to see what it would do ;-)
[01:06] <Stormx> No but really...
[01:06] <Joose^> i download the gstreamer0.8.10 but i don't how instal lit
[01:06] <Stormx> how do i get it to show em.
[01:06] <lui> Seveas: ok man thanks!, let me try that now.
[01:06] <Seveas> dunno Stormx, works fine here...
[01:06] <Stormx> _ its crazy
[01:06] <Seveas> Joose^, you don't
[01:06] <kaffeend> Can anyone please help me... Whenever5 I drag a window it leaves a smudge of it's own image all over my monitor! What can I do to fix it please?
[01:06] <Seveas> Joose^, you install stuff via the package manager
[01:07] <Seveas> not by randomly downloading things
[01:07] <Joose^> Seveas terminal not?
[01:07] <jason_> anyone know how i get the ncurses network setup again after i've already installed?
[01:07] <jason_> is there a package i can reconfigure?
[01:07] <Stormx> It must be demanding being omniscient eh Seveas? ;-)
[01:07] <Seveas> jason_, base-config
[01:07] <jason_> Seveas: thx
[01:07] <Seveas> Joose^, did you ever edit /etc/apt/sources.list yourself?
[01:08] <jason_> i tried netbase...
[01:08] <bolsh> Another most annoying problem is that in the gdm screen, the keyboard layout stays US which is awfully annoying of you have an azerty keyboard
[01:08] <kaffeend> Stormx not to mention constantly awake!
[01:08] <Joose^> Seveas no
[01:08] <Seveas> Joose^, great, that makes it easy :
[01:08] <Seveas> :)
[01:08] <Seveas> Joose^: sudo wget http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/?download=38 -O /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:08] <Seveas> Joose^: sudo apt-get update
[01:08] <Seveas> Joose^: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:09] <Seveas> there - gstreamer0.8 in 3 easy commands :)
[01:09] <Joose^> Seveas but i am no on ubuntu
[01:10] <penticlex> I cant compile wine WTF
[01:10] <Seveas> Joose^, then write down these commands :)
[01:10] <thoreauputic> Joose^: well get on ubuntu so you can do commands - hard to help you otherwise
[01:10] <Stormx> xD
[01:10] <Seveas> Joose^, do you have an internet connection when you're on Ubuntu?
[01:11] <thoreauputic> penticlex: you don't need to compile wine - it's in the repositories
[01:11] <thoreauputic> !info wine
[01:11] <skalpel> can someone help me write a cd onthe command line?
[01:11] <ubotu> wine: (Windows Emulator (Binary Emulator)), section universe/otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.0.20050310-1.1 (hoary), Packaged size: 1248 kB, Installed size: 2596 kB
[01:11] <Joose^> Seveas xD i tried to find the driver to my modem
[01:11] <Razor-X> and the version in the repositories is pretty nice
[01:11] <penticlex> not for the 64 bit ver
[01:11] <Razor-X> skalpel: ``man cdrecord'' for details on how to use cdrecord
[01:11] <Stormx> skalpel: Its cd record
[01:11] <Stormx> *cdrecord
[01:11] <Joose^> Seveas it's a Intel 537EP
[01:11] <thoreauputic> penticlex: does a 64 bit version even exist?
[01:11] <Seveas> Joose^, ah, if you have no internet connection it's a bit different....
[01:12] <Stormx> !into ubotu
[01:12] <ubotu> I don't know, Stormx
[01:12] <Joose^> and i cann't configure it
[01:12] <Stormx> !info ubuntu
[01:12] <Stormx> package "ubuntu" does not exist ;-)
[01:12] <penticlex> C compiler cannot create executables
[01:12] <Squall> cant find anything smart here
[01:12] <crimsun> penticlex: install build-essential
[01:12] <Joose^> Seveas can u help me how to configured my modem to connect for dial-up unless
[01:12] <Squall> overwriting system
[01:13] <Seveas> Joose^, i'm afraid i can't
[01:13] <thoreauputic> penticlex: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[01:13] <penticlex> no the package doesnt exist thats why I am trying to compile it
[01:13] <Joose^> Seveas xD
[01:13] <Stormx> hah
[01:13] <Seveas> not on my own pc's at least...
[01:13] <Stormx> I have
[01:13] <Joose^> :P
[01:13] <Stormx> its like trying to push a fat person off a cliff
[01:13] <kaffeend> can someone please help me with this graphics DYSFUNCTION please???
[01:13] <Stormx> what happened?
[01:14] <Joose^> i have to buy broand band now!
[01:14] <Joose^> :P
[01:14] <puff> Hm.
[01:14] <bolsh> kaffeend, sorry, I'm stuck in my keyboard problem...
[01:14] <penticlex> no the package doesnt exist thats why I am trying to compile it
[01:14] <lui> Seveas: I have done the apt-get update. And now? "$sudo aptitude install gstreamer0.8-mad"?
[01:14] <kaffeend> hmmm...
[01:14] <mike> anyone here good with mysql?
[01:14] <Seveas> lui, yup
[01:15] <Seveas> mike, I know my way around it
[01:15] <lui> ok.. here I go...!
[01:15] <penticlex> I did sudo apt-get install build-essential and still getting same err
[01:15] <kaffeend> my windows are refreshing themselves onto previous pages
[01:15] <smykes> are there any musicians in the channel?
[01:15] <thoreauputic> lui: without the $ of course :)
[01:15] <Seveas> penticlex, what are you compiling?
[01:15] <bolsh> mike, depends. What do you need?
[01:15] <mike> Seveas, i'm getting an error stating that Warning: mysql_connect(): Host 'localhost.localdomain' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL
[01:15] <penticlex> wine
[01:15] <kaffeend> it takes 5 minutes for a window to close or minimise
[01:15] <mike> this is my code in php
[01:16] <kaffeend> it's turning into a Windows machine
[01:16] <Seveas> mike, so you have a mysql server installed on your machine?
[01:16] <bolsh> mike, You need to grant yourself permission to connect from loxcalhost.localdomain
[01:16] <kaffeend> fuck!
[01:16] <penticlex> the config.log states I nead lgcc
[01:16] <lui> Seveas: Done man!
[01:16] <penticlex> but I cant find it
[01:16] <mike> db_connect($sql_host, $sql_user, $sql_password, $sql_db);
[01:16] <mike> i thought i did that
[01:16] <Seveas> penticlex, grab wine from the repositories
[01:16] <bolsh> mike, With the mysql client connect wuth mysql -uroot -p
[01:16] <thoreauputic> Seveas: he's on amd64
[01:17] <lui> Seveas: now I can play MP3's?
[01:17] <bolsh> write the mysql root password you set before
[01:17] <penticlex> I nead the 64 bit ver
[01:17] <Seveas> thoreauputic, oh....
[01:17] <bolsh> then "use mysql"
[01:17] <Seveas> lui, with totem and rhythbox you can now play mp3s
[01:17] <bolsh> and "grant all to on localhost.localdomain;"
[01:17] <kaffeend> when my windows finally minimize they leave black squares all over the desktop
[01:17] <bolsh> that is supposed to be a * I'm having keyboard layout issues
[01:17] <Seveas> bolsh, by default mysql has root without password :)
[01:17] <lui> jejeje, let's see...
[01:18] <bolsh> Seveas, Yes
[01:18] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: :(( sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:18] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: sounds weird
[01:18] <mike> bolsh, i did that
[01:18] <subterrific> dpkg-reconfigure base-config did not work :(
[01:18] <puff> Hm... so i installed the java 1.5 JDK, went like a charm, but I need to work on some 1.4.2 code, specifically i just need to get it compiled to 1.4.2 so i can deploy it and fix something.
[01:18] <kaffeend> what's that for?
[01:18] <mike> mysql> grant all to * on localhost.localdomain
[01:19] <puff> But it's giving me "No matching plugin was found"
[01:19] <puff> Doing the whole java-package fakeroot make-package thing.
[01:19] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: to reconfigure your graphics, in inaccurate and simple terms
[01:19] <Seveas> puff, odd, works fine here
[01:19] <yor> ey alle gassies
[01:19] <skalpel> what does this error mean when trying to burn a disc? Sense Key: 0x5 Illegal Request, Segment 0
[01:19] <skalpel> Sense Code: 0x24 Qual 0x00 (invalid field in cdb) Fru 0x0
[01:19] <skalpel> Sense flags: Blk 0 (valid)
[01:19] <kaffeend> thoreauputic ok thanks - will give it a shot
[01:19] <yor> ey guise
[01:20] <Seveas> yor, this is an english channel...
[01:20] <HrdwrBoB> skalpel: it means something went wrong
[01:20] <yor> o sorry
[01:20] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: something is deeply wrong, clearly
[01:20] <skalpel> hrdwrbob: any idea what? i kow it only does thsi when i use cd-rw, but that is it
[01:20] <hmrocha> hi, i'm using breezy, it's working almost fine
[01:21] <hmrocha> when i start gnome, it shows an error about my keyboard
[01:21] <HrdwrBoB> skalpel: not sure
[01:21] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: the only other reason for that kind of behaviour I can think of is if something is hogging your resources
[01:21] <hmrocha> and openoffice doesn't run anymore
[01:21] <HrdwrBoB> skalpel: easiest way to avoid it, don't use CD-RW :)
[01:21] <HrdwrBoB> I never used them anyway
[01:21] <mike> erm, actually says this
[01:21] <mike> ERROR 1064 (42000): You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'to * on localhost.localdomain
[01:21] <lui> Seveas: man, you're my hero!! jejejejeje ;-)
[01:21] <yor> do enybody know if somody can go prifet??
[01:21] <HrdwrBoB> mike: yeah it's wrong iirc, isn't the syntax user%host ?
[01:22] <hmrocha> do you know any quick fixes for the keyboard error?
[01:22] <windex> yor, your sentence just managed to break my mind.
[01:22] <thoreauputic> hmrocha: if breezy breaks you get to keep the pieces :) See /topic
[01:22] <Seveas> yor what do you need?
[01:22] <puff> Seveas: On 1.4.2?
[01:22] <Seveas> puff, yup
[01:22] <HrdwrBoB> windex: he wants to ask a question privately
[01:22] <HrdwrBoB> yor: in the channel is fine
[01:22] <kaffeend> thoreauputic what should I do for the busid?
[01:22] <hmrocha> thoreauputic, X is working fine
[01:22] <Seveas> I need it too since I'm forced to use broken software for my work that does not compile with 1.5
[01:22] <puff> Hm... did you have 1.5 installed at all?
[01:22] <yor> i wannaknow if i can tolk prifet whit someone
[01:22] <Seveas> yor, about what?
[01:22] <mike> HrdwrBoB, with user@ still has the error
[01:22] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: just hit enter
[01:22] <yor> i don't know
[01:22] <kaffeend> k
[01:23] <skalpel> yor: i like coffee
[01:23] <yor> me 2
[01:23] <Seveas> yor, this is a support channel for ubuntu linux, if you want to talk about other things, go somewhere else
[01:23] <windex> HrdwrBoB, your english parser is evidently much more effective as gibberish dialects.
[01:23] <kaffeend> damn - now bus identifier!!!
[01:23] <yor> oke
[01:23] <yor> but i don't know mush about ubunto
[01:23] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: hit enter again
[01:24] <kaffeend> just keep hittion it?
[01:24] <lui> Seveas: thank you very much
[01:24] <Seveas> lui, yw
[01:24] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: no, answer the questions you can
[01:24] <CarmenSandieg1> Oh what tangled webs we weave! :-D
[01:24] <hmrocha> do you know if gnumeric opens ms excel file format?
[01:24] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: I assume you know your hardware?
[01:25] <kaffeend> yep
[01:25] <windex> hmrocha, i beleive it does. open office most certianly does.
[01:25] <kaffeend> to a point - I built the bastard
[01:25] <hmrocha> windex, open office is not working in breezy
[01:25] <kaffeend> well, I'm giving myself more vid ram while I have the chance!
[01:25] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: choose the driver carefully - if the default is right just go with it though
[01:25] <hmrocha> i'll try gnumeric
[01:25] <windex> hmrocha, sounds like if you're running breezy not having productivity applications is the least of your problems. :)
[01:26] <skalpel> is it common for small mp3 files i burn to a cd-rw disc in data format to all be over 7 mb, some as large as 21 mb?
[01:26] <kaffeend> ok - now what's 128 meg in kb plz?
[01:26] <Seveas> !128*1024
[01:26] <ubotu> 131072
[01:26] <puff> So i tried just invoking the bin, figure I'll unpack it, set the environment variables myself, compile the code and move on ith my life.
[01:26] <kaffeend> 1280?
[01:26] <puff> ./j2eesdk-1_4-linux.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[01:26] <Seveas> ^--kaffeend
[01:26] <yor> can i have enybody's e mail??????????????????
[01:26] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: see ubotu above
[01:27] <Seveas> puff, wait a bit :)
[01:27] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: Seveas got the bot to do it
[01:27] <puff> Seveas: Come again?
[01:27] <kaffeend> nice bot we got here
[01:27] <Seveas> i'm searching for my java 1.4 deb :)
[01:27] <puff> Ah.
[01:27] <equex> ack gotta reconfigure x again
[01:27] <kaffeend> thanks seveas
[01:27] <puff> That would be cool :-).
[01:27] <Seveas> dunno on which server I put it
[01:27] <Seveas> so i'm running updatedb's all over the place :)
[01:27] <yor> can i have enybody's email??
[01:27] <Goodspeed> how do i add a module for startup in terminal?
[01:28] <kaffeend> use kernel frame buffer?
[01:28] <puff> I was trying to get java for mozilla working, wonder if that could be gumming it up.
[01:28] <Seveas> Goodspeed, you meen a kernel module?
[01:28] <thoreauputic> Goodspeed: sudo nano /etc/modules
[01:28] <puff> Can probalby just un-apt that.
[01:28] <Goodspeed> sure i want to add fglrx
[01:28] <hmrocha> windex, i don't use openoffice to write documents, i use LaTeX
[01:28] <hmrocha> windex, i just want open office to open the schedule for this semester
[01:29] <windex> hmrocha, i am not sure if i should be impressed or scared. :)
[01:29] <Razor-X> hmrocha: excellent ;)
[01:29] <kaffeend> thoreauputic do I use the kernel frame buffer?
[01:29] <Razor-X> windex: I use LaTeX myself
[01:29] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: do you have a crt ?
[01:29] <kaffeend> yep
[01:29] <hmrocha> windex, they created the schedules in MS Excel :(
[01:29] <Razor-X> i'm reading Lamport's LaTeX - A Document Preparation System, right now
[01:29] <windex> being as i can get my printer to work properly and fonts seem to look like crap at the moment, i'm going to assume the magic solution to that is to use latex. :)
[01:29] <Razor-X> hmrocha: Spreadsheets are attrocious in LaTeX
[01:29] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: well, choose the safe option - it shouldn't matter much
[01:29] <kaffeend> k
[01:30] <Razor-X> windex: well, LaTeX can be converted to a PDF, so try and print a PDF file
[01:30] <hmrocha> Razor-X, latex is not for spreadsheets
[01:30] <Seveas> puff, currently rebuilding the .deb :)
[01:30] <Razor-X> hmrocha: I know, it's still attrocious ;)
[01:30] <windex> Razor-X, dosen't work either.
[01:30] <Razor-X> I tried LaTeXss, but that was just as bad
[01:30] <voldomazta> hello.. how do i login as root on ubuntu
[01:30] <Razor-X> windex: then i'm pretty sure it's the printer driver
[01:31] <voldomazta> just did a fresh install
[01:31] <Razor-X> !tell voldomazta about root
[01:31] <voldomazta> th
[01:31] <voldomazta> thx
[01:31] <subterrific> Seveas: thx for the help, but running base-config didn't ask me any networking questions
[01:31] <windex> Razor-X, me too. i think its a combination of my printer driver and the printer's network stack postscript engine.
[01:31] <Seveas> subterrific, hmm
[01:31] <Razor-X> windex: yeah, if the postscript engine's busted than, meh
[01:31] <Razor-X> s/than/then/
[01:31] <windex> Razor-X, the real issue is that the fonts openoffice uses as equivilant to windows fonts for documents look awful. :) example: franklin gothic medium
[01:32] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: that's not the End User's way ;)
[01:32] <hmrocha> it worked, gnumeric opened the XLS file
[01:32] <puff> j2eesdk-1_4-linux.bin: j2eesdk-1_4-linux.bin: cannot execute binary file
[01:32] <puff> Seveas: Ah, thank you.
[01:32] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: so it seems
[01:32] <Seveas> puff, http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/sun-j2sdk1.4_1.4.2+08_i386.deb
[01:32] <puff> Seveas: Very, very much.
[01:32] <Razor-X> windex: good thing about LaTeX, is that it's device independant
[01:32] <windex> Razor-X, printing would still require you to convert it to postscript which my printer would invariably mangle.
[01:32] <Seveas> \end{problems} \begin{LaTeX}
[01:33] <Razor-X> any time LPR prints something, it comes out pretty bad, here
[01:33] <hmrocha> Seveas, :D
[01:33] <Razor-X> Seveas: ;)
[01:33] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: the root/sudo message should be in BIG RED letters
[01:33] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: yeah, it really should
[01:33] <Razor-X> PDFs print fine though, I don't know why lpr is being stupid
[01:33] <Razor-X> and the lpr man page sucks
[01:34] <Razor-X> I think it's printing to default A4 paper, I set Opera to remedy that, but other applications don't
[01:34] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: how goes the battle?
[01:34] <Razor-X> hmrocha: that's the reason I didn't buy the wireless version of my trackball
[01:34] <kaffeend> bit tedious
[01:34] <kaffeend> up to my mouse now
[01:34] <thoreauputic> k
[01:34] <kaffeend> all is going well
[01:34] <Razor-X> does lpr have a conf file, or something which I can use to get it to default to letterpaper?
[01:35] <^thehatsrule^> lol kaffeend: if you want, join #WolfET <-- its my et chan
[01:35] <Razor-X> I love KDE's DVI and PDF viewer, so feature-rich ;)
[01:35] <hmrocha> Razor-X, wireless rocks :)
[01:35] <thoreauputic> ^thehatsrule^: I think he's a bit preoccupied right now ;)
[01:35] <Razor-X> hmrocha: waste of batteries, IMO
[01:35] <kaffeend> ^thehatsrule^ thanks dude
[01:35] <equex> dpkg --remove fglrx should remove the fglrx drivers right ?
[01:35] <^thehatsrule^> thoreauputic hehe ;p
[01:36] <^thehatsrule^> brb
[01:36] <hmrocha> Razor-X, they're rechargeable
[01:37] <Razor-X> hmrocha: batteries == money ;)
[01:37] <hmrocha> Razor-X, you only have to buy them once
[01:37] <Razor-X> maybe when I make my own income, that'll change but, till then, meh
[01:37] <kaffeend> thoreauputic what should I do with this X.org server modules? all are prechecked except GLcore and v4L
[01:38] <Seveas> Razor-X, rechargeable batteries ;)
[01:38] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: I'd leave it alone and move on
[01:38] <kaffeend> hmmm... but GL isn't Open GL?
[01:38] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: note that you can rerun this any time later provided you haven't messed with /etc/X11/xorg.conf manually
[01:39] <puff> Seveas: Oh for god's sake... just realized the source of the problem. Sun's "download j2 sdk" link took me to a "download j2ee" page...
[01:39] <Seveas> rofl
[01:39] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: probably should have asked if you already have...
[01:39] <puff> Seveas: Downloading the *right* package now.
[01:39] <kaffeend> oops
[01:39] <phixion> can anyone explain to me what Samba is? :)
[01:39] <kaffeend> lol
[01:39] <Seveas> puff, you can just use my .deb :)
[01:39] <windex> puff, sun loves you.
[01:39] <kaffeend> I did
[01:39] <Razor-X> phixion: it's the UNIX implementation of SMB
[01:39] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: you did, right? :(
[01:39] <kaffeend> but cancelled at first screen
[01:39] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: oh dear
[01:40] <Raf999> phixion - linux version of file and printer sharing.
[01:40] <windex> phixion, its easier to think about as a compatibility layer to windows file and printer sharing.
[01:40] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: did you save changes?
[01:40] <phixion> aha
[01:40] <phixion> so I can use samba to allow my windows pc to access my linux pc files?
[01:40] <Razor-X> nobody knows what SMB is, do they? ;)
[01:40] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: when you edited the file before?
[01:40] <kaffeend> no I'm a n00b why would I save anything? lmao
[01:40] <squinn> Razor-X, "samba"
[01:40] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: heheh
[01:40] <Razor-X> phixion: yeah
[01:40] <phixion> ah cool
[01:40] <phixion> thanks guys
[01:41] <Razor-X> squinn: SMB came before Samba (IIRC), SMB is the protocol, Samba is the implementation
[01:41] <hmrocha> SMB is nowadays called CIFS
[01:41] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[01:41] <hmrocha> so you might want to search for CIFS instead of SMB
[01:41] <windex> and is not even remotely the same as SMB.
[01:41] <Seveas> creepy idiotic file system?
[01:41] <squinn> ah ok
[01:41] <squinn> right, thought so
[01:41] <Razor-X> Seveas: ;)
[01:41] <hmrocha> Seveas, exactly
[01:42] <HrdwrBoB> common internet filing system (HA!)
[01:42] <pc19> thanks seveas
[01:42] <kaffeend> thoreauputic I'm up to video modes :s
[01:42] <pc19> installed now
[01:42] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: soldier on :)
[01:42] <sun_> I'm having trouble getting my SB Live 5.1 card working in ubuntu...
[01:42] <pc19> i just went to hp for infos
[01:42] <kaffeend> don't know what I'm doing now
[01:43] <pc19> laters seveas. u made my migration easier
[01:43] <kaffeend> are these screen sizes??
[01:43] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: when in doubt, accept defaults
[01:43] <sun_> it shows up with modprobe, but i can't get alsamixer to control it
[01:43] <kaffeend> 1920x1440?
[01:43] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: do you know what resolution your screen is capable of?
[01:44] <kaffeend> 1600x1200 I thought but I'll check that
[01:44] <kaffeend> yep - 1600x1200 but at 60hz
[01:44] <sun_> did anyone have to rebuild ALSA for their SB Live card?
[01:45] <kaffeend> I normally run 1024x768 85hz
[01:45] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: well, choose that then
[01:45] <penticlex> jre
[01:45] <penticlex> oops
[01:45] <crimsun> sun_: lspci -v|grep udio
[01:45] <kaffeend> but it stops at 1200x1600
[01:45] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: arrow down
[01:46] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: should be more
[01:46] <kaffeend> haha
[01:46] <kaffeend> so there were all checked!
[01:46] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: that's OK
[01:47] <crimsun> sun_: alsamixer -c1
[01:47] <Zodiac> hello
[01:47] <kaffeend> now I'm at horizontal sync range again
[01:47] <kaffeend> man I just set allthis too
[01:48] <Zodiac> To whomever recommended k3b last night, thanx! It worked great :)
[01:48] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: make sure you get the sync rates right
[01:48] <kaffeend> can't remember what it was tho maybe 30-200?
[01:48] <kaffeend> hmmm...
[01:48] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: do you have the monitor manual? Look it up
[01:49] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: or consult the manufacturer's website
[01:49] <kaffeend> came with cd but no manual
[01:49] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: website then
[01:49] <kaffeend> website will do me I think
[01:50] <Razor-X> woohoo! ;)
[01:50] <Razor-X> I fixed my lpr problem
[01:50] <phixion> anyone fancy helping me with a simple samba config file? I just want to allow my Windows PC to access my Ubuntu box :E
[01:51] <[Spooky] > whats a good DC client for linux ?
[01:51] <phixion> DC++ :)
[01:51] <phixion> theres a howto on ubuntuforums
[01:51] <[Spooky] > ok
[01:51] <Zodiac> What do you guys use to bump beats?
[01:51] <Razor-X> phixion: you can compile DC++ to work?
[01:51] <Razor-X> Zodiac: ``bump beats'' is pretty vague ;)
[01:52] <Razor-X> MIDI Sequencing, Tracking, Recoding
[01:52] <Zodiac> There was a thing on Ubuntu world with "Amarok" on it, but is it that much better than the standard Ubunuty software??
[01:52] <thrice`> it's linux...of course you can compile
[01:52] <Razor-X> Muxing, transcoding ;)
[01:52] <thrice`> yes
[01:52] <phixion> yes Razor-X
[01:52] <Razor-X> phixion: no usage of WINE, right?
[01:52] <thoreauputic> Zodiac: amarok is pretty cool, and available in the repos
[01:52] <phixion> right :)
[01:52] <Razor-X> cool ;)
[01:53] <Zodiac> is it that much better than "ryhthmbox"??
[01:53] <Razor-X> I guess i'm not up to date on my slang ;) (and i'm 15)
[01:53] <Razor-X> I use cplay myself
[01:53] <thoreauputic> Zodiac: IMO yes
[01:53] <cafuego> Zodiac: Best depends on what you want from it. You can only find out by trying them all.
[01:53] <thoreauputic> Zodiac: among other things, it allows you to edit tags
[01:53] <Razor-X> nice and light
[01:54] <[Spooky] > phixion: you have any adress ?
[01:54] <Zodiac> cplay?
[01:54] <Zodiac> Never heard of it
[01:54] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: cplay is nice:)
[01:54] <Zodiac> but I guess you are right, I should just try them
[01:54] <Razor-X> Zodiac: it's a command-line music player
[01:54] <Zodiac> ha ha
[01:55] <Zodiac> oh man
[01:55] <thoreauputic> Zodiac: it's a terminal based player (cplay)
[01:55] <Zodiac> nevermind :)
[01:55] <Razor-X> Zodiac: characters scare you? ;)
[01:55] <Zodiac> YES!
[01:55] <Razor-X> it plays music in a nice, clean interface
[01:55] <Zodiac> A lot
[01:55] <thoreauputic> Zodiac: cplay is *not* scary :)
[01:55] <Zodiac> h aha
[01:55] <Zodiac> I know
[01:55] <Razor-X> Zodiac: what about the small fraction of human who learn by reading, and not pictures? ;)
[01:56] <Razor-X> cplay has no prompts, actually
[01:56] <CarmenSandieg1> Is AMD "better than" Intel?
[01:56] <Zodiac> YOur right
[01:56] <Zodiac> I will try it
[01:56] <Razor-X> and hitting `h' in the program explains it all
[01:56] <Razor-X> CarmenSandieg1: miles
[01:56] <cafuego> CarmenSandieg1: For some things, yes. Well, most things ;-)
[01:56] <Seveas> CarmenSandieg1, no
[01:56] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: losing battle - the indoctrination is too strong ;)
[01:56] <Seveas> not by a long shot
[01:56] <Razor-X> you get more bang for the buck buying the same AMD compared to the same Intel
[01:56] <cafuego> CarmenSandieg1: if you want a faster copu at a lower price, then amd is better.
[01:56] <Zodiac> I use AMD... I like it
[01:56] <cafuego> CarmenSandieg1: Same for if you want a 64bit cpu.
[01:56] <CarmenSandieg1> Cafuego, are you inferring overclocking?
[01:57] <Seveas> cafuego, only if you take clock speed as the only measure :)
[01:57] <phixion> [Spooky] , http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28378&highlight=dc
[01:57] <Razor-X> not only _that_, but if you want to overclock, AMD is barnone
[01:57] <cafuego> CarmenSandieg1: No, AMD64's outperform Intel CPUs that run at higher clockrates.
[01:57] <cafuego> Seveas: Eh?
[01:57] <HrdwrBoB> athlon64 > pentium4 .. that's pretty much all there is to know
[01:58] <HrdwrBoB> though the p4 does better at a few things
[01:58] <Seveas> HrdwrBoB, except that its plain wrong and comparing apples with pears...
[01:58] <HrdwrBoB> but at the server level opteron vs xeon it's not even close
[01:58] <HrdwrBoB> Seveas: no, it's not
[01:58] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: Yeah, but then it costs you twice as much :-)
[01:58] <phixion> How do i access my PC from the windows computer with samba?
[01:58] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: not according to my pricing
[01:58] <Funzo> im running an athlon64... how does it compare under x86 OSs
[01:58] <thoreauputic> !samba
[01:58] <ubotu> somebody said samba was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[01:58] <kaffeend> okay I'm stuck now - damn website said fuck all... they had a manual written in korean or whatever but still had no refresh rates etc
[01:58] <HrdwrBoB> Seveas: they're both x86 CPUs
[01:58] <kaffeend> just features
[01:58] <HrdwrBoB> Seveas: aimed at the same market for the same reasons
[01:58] <thoreauputic> phixion: ^^^
[01:58] <HrdwrBoB> Seveas: therefore are completely comparable
[01:58] <cafuego> Funzo: My 1.8GHz amd64 runs a *lot* faster then my 2GHz AthlonXP.
[01:58] <Seveas> HrdwrBoB, amd64 != x86...
[01:58] <phixion> thanks alot thoreauputic
[01:59] <thoreauputic> phixion: no worries :)
[01:59] <HrdwrBoB> Seveas: irrelevant
[01:59] <Seveas> HrdwrBoB, muhahahahah
[01:59] <Funzo> cafuego: but athlonXP is slower than p4... i think (correct me if im wrong) :)
[01:59] <cafuego> Seveas: I expect 90% or more of all amd64's just run 32bit OSes.
[01:59] <HrdwrBoB> Seveas: it doesn't mean they're not comparable
[01:59] <cafuego> Funzo: A bit, yep./
[01:59] <cafuego> Funzo: Then again, they're half the price.
[02:00] <kaffeend> hoping for good things from my 2.3ghz AMD athlon 64 ;)
[02:00] <Funzo> al lot of people cant upgrade yet as they run windows and drivers arent released yet
[02:00] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: progress?
[02:01] <HrdwrBoB> I run x86 ubuntu on my amd64
[02:01] <kaffeend> thoreauputic nope
[02:01] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: ?
[02:01] <HrdwrBoB> because it means that running cedega, win32codecs, flash, etc is easier
[02:01] <HrdwrBoB> (and in some cases possible)
[02:01] <kaffeend> stopped dead when I couldn't read korean
[02:01] <Funzo> anyways does anybody know and good apt-get sources I can use to get mainstream 64bit software compatible with ubuntu
[02:01] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: ah - website?
[02:02] <kaffeend> had to look in the archives for my monitor which is last years model
[02:02] <kaffeend> http://product.samsung.com/cgi-bin/nabc/support/b2c_support_query_results.jsp?BV_SessionID=%40%40%40%401581126107.1123199573%40%40%40%40&BV_EngineID=cccdaddffmegefdcfejceefdfggdhgm.0&keyWord=syncmaster+785+mb#
[02:02] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: the info has to be out there - google knows all... erm.. I hope
[02:02] <kaffeend> same I'm looking now
[02:02] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: omg that's an ugly URL !
[02:03] <kaffeend> hehe I know
[02:03] <kaffeend> sorry
[02:03] <kaffeend> but it'll take you right there
[02:05] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: so ... this applies only to the USA apparently
[02:06] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: you are in .au - is there not an aus distributor?
[02:07] <kaffeend> not a reliable one - no
[02:07] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: http://www.samsung.com/au/products/monitors/index.asp
[02:07] <kaffeend> that's it - next monitor is LG
[02:07] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: no use?
[02:07] <[CJ] fLaRg3> mine is iiyama
[02:07] <[CJ] fLaRg3> its great
[02:07] <kaffeend> 1 sec bro
[02:08] <cafuego> kaffeend: If no luck at the POS?
[02:08] <b0xen> Hey is ubuntu binary compatible with debian? What I mean to ask is that can I just take a .deb file meant for debian and install it in ubuntu?
[02:09] <cafuego> b0xen: That's not normally recommended; libc6 versions differ.
[02:09] <kaffeend> haha... so close I was - thoreauputic it's here http://www.samsung.com/au/products/monitors/crt/index.asp
[02:09] <b0xen> bah. but i'm so lazy :(
[02:09] <cafuego> b0xen: Then again, if there IS a depend issue, you'll be told by dpkg.
[02:09] <thoreauputic> heh - "Archived Monitors" == all crt monitors apparently
[02:09] <kaffeend> it's the big fucker right at the top of the screen
[02:09] <kaffeend> hahaha
[02:09] <cafuego> b0xen: What package?
[02:09] <kaffeend> cafuego almost there ;)
[02:09] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: erm - that's the URL I posted, isn't it??
[02:10] <thoreauputic> ah Isee
[02:10] <thoreauputic> crt
[02:11] <cafuego> how quaint ;-)
[02:11] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: yup - there 'tis in all its glory
[02:11] <kaffeend> thoreauputic one page on - and I now have the numbers! thanks mate!!!
[02:11] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: :)
[02:12] <misfit_toy> ewwww
[02:12] <kaffeend> haha
[02:12] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: ewww
[02:12] <vader1102> heheh, I finally got my workgroup working, under Ubutu, what a pain that was lol
[02:13] <t35t0r> anyone here have a winxp and linux machine with openoffice 1.1.4 (stable) ? can you please take a look at http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=52924 ?
[02:14] <vader1102> t35t0r: I just set it up on my wifes pc what's the prob?
[02:14] <t35t0r> vader1102, take a look at that bug
[02:14] <kaffeend> fin
[02:14] <_SWAT_> This sometimes happens (like now). I keep a button pushed but it's only printed one time (in stead of keeping printed). Can anyone help me?
[02:14] <t35t0r> vader1102, do you have winxp and linux machine with OOo1.1.4 to compare?
[02:14] <vader1102> looking
[02:14] <vader1102> yup
[02:14] <kaffeend> problem solved!
[02:14] <t35t0r> vader1102, it's really annoying
[02:14] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: I knew the "pages from Australia" option in google.com.au had a purpose - I just never found one before ;)
[02:14] <thrice`> misfit, what'd you use to burn ?
[02:14] <HrdwrBoB> thrice`: I use it all the time
[02:14] <Marburg> anyone having troubles whith firefox in Ubunto ??
[02:14] <HrdwrBoB> thoreauputic:
[02:15] <kaffeend> thoreau neither lol
[02:15] <HrdwrBoB> thoreauputic: when I'm looking to buy things or information relationg to an australian person/business
[02:15] <thoreauputic> HrdwrBoB: yeah i was kidding :)
[02:15] <vader1102> t350r: I have had no probs but only set it up tonight
[02:15] <kaffeend> OMG my screen looks fan bloody tastic!
[02:15] <HrdwrBoB> oh heh, I should really read back
[02:15] <t35t0r> vader1102, can you duplicate that bug?
[02:15] <BeatYou> any web designers here? ones fluent in CSS layout design ?
[02:15] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: yay!
[02:15] <marius_> hi
[02:16] <HrdwrBoB> so many times I've seen a grab, answered a question only to realise I missed something
[02:16] <HrdwrBoB> BeatYou: google ffor OSWD
[02:16] <BeatYou> HrdwrBoB, dont need help, would just like some feedback
[02:16] <Jomdom> BeatYou, I'm a pretty experienced Web developer
[02:16] <vader1102> I will do it later, right now working on customer pc
[02:16] <phixion> bah someone giv me a real basic samba config file :(
[02:16] <t35t0r> vader1102, i.e. is the rendering screwed up in linux like as i described?
[02:16] <t35t0r> vader1102, ok
[02:16] <HrdwrBoB> kaffeend: at 1015?
[02:16] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: :D
[02:16] <kaffeend> thoreauputic Thanks for all that help bud
[02:17] <HrdwrBoB> phixion: /usr/doc/samba/
[02:17] <HrdwrBoB> phixion: there's an example config in there
[02:17] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: no problem mate
[02:17] <kaffeend> now can we move onto mp3s?
[02:17] <kaffeend> hahaha
[02:17] <thoreauputic> :)
[02:17] <kaffeend> lmao
[02:17] <thrice`> kaffeend, sure; apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:17] <kaffeend> no way man
[02:17] <phixion> HrdwrBoB, its quite complicated :)
[02:17] <HrdwrBoB> phixion: yeah
[02:17] <kaffeend> I'm gettin an ipod
[02:17] <HrdwrBoB> samda does that
[02:17] <Marburg> how to configure apt-get to work whith proxy ?
[02:18] <HrdwrBoB> kaffeend: apt-get install gtkpod
[02:18] <BeatYou> Jomdom: http://dev.clsafety.com/test.htm - you know CSS layout techniques, check out my source
[02:18] <kaffeend> nothing with install in it is any good to me until I get another cdrom drive
[02:18] <thrice`> kaffeend, why ? apt-get uses network, not cd
[02:19] <Jomdom> looks great (the design and the source)
[02:19] <kaffeend> oh I see
[02:19] <cafuego> kaffeend: Well, cdrom drives at least only cost 10% of what an iPod costs ;-)
[02:19] <kaffeend> cafuego tru tru, but are there any as sexy?
[02:19] <g|patrick> at the moment i am using the live cd
[02:19] <g|patrick> could someone give me a link to that bashscript that detects my harddiscs?
[02:20] <cafuego> kaffeend: A can of spray paint is even cheaper than the drive
[02:20] <kaffeend> in fact, for the cost of 2 iPods I could have a mac mini
[02:20] <g|patrick> i know, that someone here hosts a site to this spefic script
[02:20] <g|patrick> :)
[02:20] <cafuego> !vfat
[02:20] <ubotu> vfat is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[02:20] <cafuego> g|patrick: That one?
[02:20] <BeatYou> http://dev.clsafety.com/workfiles/new_layout.jpg that is what im eventually working towards Jomdom
[02:20] <g|patrick> ya...
[02:20] <g|patrick> thx :)
[02:21] <thoreauputic> time to split - happy podding kaffeend ;) See you all later!
[02:21] <cafuego> kaffeend: No, you will want 1GB of ram in that, which costs extra.
[02:21] <kaffeend> HrdwrBoB was there to be a sudo in front of that apt-get?
[02:21] <Jomdom> awesome - looks like your well on your way, Beat
[02:22] <HrdwrBoB> kaffeend: it was implied :)
[02:22] <HrdwrBoB> I assumed you knew that already
[02:22] <Jomdom> a couple floats here and there, and you'll be set ;)
[02:22] <kaffeend> Thoreauputic cya dude
[02:22] <kaffeend> doh
[02:22] <PurpleMotion> I love this new videoc ard
[02:22] <BeatYou> Jomdom: yup, CSS has puzzled me for months, i finally buckled down and did it
[02:22] <cafuego> kaffeend: Where in .AU are you?
[02:22] <PurpleMotion> it has testicleeze
[02:22] <kaffeend> HrdwrBoB ok thanky you
[02:22] <kaffeend> cafuego Brisbane
[02:22] <Jomdom> BeatYou: it's really great in the end
[02:22] <HrdwrBoB> brisvegas
[02:22] <cafuego> Ah ok, never mind then.
[02:23] <kaffeend> ok
[02:23] <PurpleMotion> {jay@psilocybin (~)}:$ fgl_glxgears\n 805 frames in 5.0 seconds = 161.000 FPS
[02:23] <Jomdom> BeatYou: better for everyone - the hard part is convincing table nuts to switch :)
[02:23] <cafuego> but of course the traceroyte will be fast if i do it from my brisbane server <heh>
[02:23] <BeatYou> Jomdom: yup, i was one haha
[02:23] <Jomdom> :)
[02:24] <Adrenline> anyone know of the easiest way to get smbmount for ubuntu?
[02:24] <thrice`> !samba
[02:24] <cafuego> Adrenline: sudo apt-get install smbfs
[02:24] <ubotu> well, samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[02:24] <PurpleMotion> what's a really fun opengl game i can download and play? I wanna see this thing in action
[02:24] <cafuego> !lose thrice`
[02:24] <ubotu> cafuego: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[02:24] <Jomdom> BeatYou: it really hurts when you are working for someone who has "designers" spitting out ugly dreamweaver table based layouts that you have to build web apps in
[02:24] <cafuego> ubotu: you broken
[02:24] <ubotu> cafuego: I don't know, could you explain it?
[02:24] <redguy> how do I get help on using ubotu?
[02:24] <thrice`> ?
[02:24] <kaffeend> HrdwrBoB I get this: Reading package lists... Done
[02:24] <kaffeend> Building dependency tree... Done
[02:24] <kaffeend> E: Couldn't find package gtkpod
[02:24] <Adrenline> cafuego, thanx :)
[02:24] <thrice`> kaffeend, you need to update your repositories
[02:24] <HrdwrBoB> kaffeend: have you enabled universe?
[02:25] <kaffeend> no
[02:25] <BeatYou> Jomdom: you into a lot of PHP? Yea I will never go back to tables now man, everything is just way to easy without them
[02:25] <Jomdom> BeatYou: i'm a Ruby on Rails man now... PHP is like the tables of programming after using Rails :)
[02:25] <BeatYou> haha, Ive never heard of that at all
[02:26] <Anon6833> hi does the ubuntu live cd come with a dvd burner software... i have no working main drive (have some dump drives that i refuse to format) in my computer but need to burn some info from here to a cd
[02:26] <Jomdom> BeatYou: www.rubyonrails.com
[02:26] <Anon6833> cd should be replaced with dvd
[02:26] <Jomdom> you can head over to #rubyonrails right here on FreeNode if you get interested ;)
[02:26] <BeatYou> its a programming language similar to pHP though?
[02:26] <cafuego> Anon6833: Yes, but you'll need two cd/dvd drives then, you can't eject the livecd whilst running
[02:26] <kaffeend> where do I find Universe and Metaverse plz HrdwrBoB?
[02:26] <Jomdom> Rails is a framework built on Ruby (Ruby is the language)
[02:26] <Anon6833> cafuego yeah i have 3 drives... ok thanks
[02:26] <BeatYou> ahhhh
[02:27] <abarbaccia> hey anybody here good with madwifi? i have a dwl-g520 with the atheros chipset - but can't seem to get madwifi to work
[02:27] <Syco54645_dead> cafuego i will get the live cd now then thanks alot
[02:27] <g|patrick> the script doesnt add reiser fs partions
[02:27] <kaffeend> !repositories
[02:27] <ubotu> methinks repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[02:27] <HrdwrBoB> kaffeend: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto?highlight=%28repositor%29
[02:27] <g|patrick> how has a reiserfs look like
[02:27] <Syco54645_dead> cafuego what program does it come with?
[02:27] <glick> yo
[02:27] <kaffeend> better than bots choice - cheers
[02:27] <HrdwrBoB> or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingMultimediaRepositories
[02:28] <cafuego> Syco54645_dead: the gnome one; just insert a blank cd, then drag files to it.
[02:28] <HrdwrBoB> kaffeend: no it's the same thing :)
[02:28] <cafuego> Syco54645_dead: When done, right-click and tell it to burn.
[02:28] <Syco54645_dead> cafuego ok thanks
[02:29] <BeatYou> Jomdom: im not into programming myself but deal with a lot of php based apps, my friend programs a lot though im sure hell get something out o fit
[02:29] <hayden> is there anything like expose for gnome?
[02:29] <cafuego> hayden: Not yet...
[02:29] <subterrific> hayden: there are a few things
[02:30] <subterrific> hayden: one called skippy i think
[02:30] <Burgundavia> hayden, skippy
[02:30] <glick> nothing beats pyton
[02:30] <hayden> yea, thanks ill check it out
[02:30] <Jomdom> BeatYou: that's good to hear :)
[02:30] <glick> python is the be all and end all of languages
[02:30] <cafuego> glick: I can name a whole bunch of sticks and cricket bats that beat python
[02:31] <cafuego> """I have bloody VB style comments
[02:31] <glick> cafuego, for general computing pythons beauty, simplicy, elegance, and performance, and rapid development are difficult to suppercede
[02:31] <glick> cafuego, you dont have to use those
[02:31] <Jomdom> glick, speaking of python, have you looked into django? http://www.djangoproject.com/
[02:31] <kaffeend> you know - this is actually quite easy
[02:31] <cafuego> glick: I find it horrid, though. Worse then perl.
[02:31] <abarbaccia> anybody know how to unisntall the madwifi part of the linux-restricted-modules?
[02:32] <glick> perl is rediculous
[02:32] <glick> Jomdom, no i havent
[02:32] <cafuego> glick: I rest my case ;-)
[02:32] <Jomdom> it looks very nifty :)
[02:32] <glick> Jomdom, what is it
[02:32] <Jomdom> a Web app framework
[02:32] <g|patrick> what is notail meaning
[02:33] <glick> python can even be compiled to java code
[02:33] <glick> i mean its beautiful
[02:33] <cafuego> g|patrick: a notail is a female.
[02:33] <glick> python is everything java should have been but wasnt
[02:33] <g|patrick> cafuego, what does it mean in linux
[02:33] <crimsun> glick: err, that's a bit misleading.
[02:33] <cafuego> g|patrick: Oh, you didn't mean league of gentlemen? ;-)
[02:33] <g|patrick> ^^
[02:33] <g|patrick> urrrmm....
[02:33] <g|patrick> no :)
[02:34] <kaffeend> !mps
[02:34] <ubotu> kaffeend: Are you smoking crack?
[02:34] <kaffeend> !mp3
[02:34] <ubotu> rumour has it, mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[02:34] <Goodspeed> how do i delete directories?
[02:34] <kaffeend> that's better
[02:34] <g|patrick> shift del
[02:34] <Madpilot> poetry
[02:35] <cafuego> g|patrick: Looks like it's a reiserfs mount option to make it do less i/o
[02:35] <Madpilot> oops. guess I better change my login pass now...
[02:35] <Madpilot> I thought Screen Lock was on...
[02:35] <cafuego> g|patrick: Did you make the mistake of accidentally using reiserfs?
[02:36] <g|patrick> actually i am in livecd
[02:36] <g|patrick> i have to mount reiserfs to access my data
[02:36] <g|patrick> bakcuptime!
[02:36] <cafuego> g|patrick: http://linux.ucla.edu/pipermail/linux/2002-January/006253.html
[02:37] <Slipaway172> ive been trying to figure this out? why do i like ubuntu over other distros? ubuntu is a little difficult to use on some tasks, but it is fast, stable, lots of software, excellent support. but i still dont know why i love ubuntu over easier distros. why do you like ubuntu so much?
[02:37] <g|patrick> well, i simply need the fstab string
[02:37] <g|patrick> so that i can mount it
[02:37] <cafuego> g|patrick: mount -t reiserfs /dev/hdXY /mnt/point
[02:38] <cafuego> Don't be difficult about it
[02:38] <g|patrick> /dev/hda2 /media/hda2 reiserfs defaults 0 0 ?
[02:38] <g|patrick> will that work?
[02:39] <cafuego> g|patrick: Why not try?
[02:39] <g|patrick> weired
[02:40] <g|patrick> its not listed in the overview
[02:40] <cafuego> g|patrick: why would you edit fstab on a livecd btw?
[02:41] <Slipaway172> editing the fstab on any live cd is almost useless
[02:41] <g|patrick> well
[02:41] <g|patrick> the ntfs drives were found by the script
[02:41] <g|patrick> and added to the fstab
[02:41] <g|patrick> those i can acces
[02:41] <cafuego> g|patrick: Until you reboot, sure.
[02:41] <g|patrick> ya...
[02:41] <g|patrick> cafuego, i am on livecd
[02:41] <g|patrick> backuping my data
[02:41] <cafuego> g|patrick: Just run mount -t reiserfs /dev/hda2 /media/hda2
[02:42] <g|patrick> and reinstalling my ubuntu afterwarts
[02:42] <Slipaway172> i ONLY edit mine when i backup data. mount my 2nd hard drive copy files and umount -a and edit the fstab to normal
[02:43] <hayden> what is the best 'dock' app for gnome?
[02:43] <g|patrick> mount -t reiserfs /dev/hda2 /media/hda2 <-- didnt worked
[02:45] <Slipaway172> where did u get the music
[02:45] <g|patrick> allofmp3?
[02:45] <Slipaway172> illegal
[02:45] <g|patrick> allofmp3?
[02:45] <HrdwrBoB> allofmp3 is legal as fast as I'm concerned
[02:45] <HrdwrBoB> as a consumer
[02:45] <g|patrick> who says thats illegal
[02:45] <HrdwrBoB> because that's all that's important
[02:45] <g|patrick> there are people that want see it illigal
[02:45] <HrdwrBoB> they tell me it's legal
[02:45] <nJess> how do i add the kernel module powernow-k8 to the bootup?
[02:45] <HrdwrBoB> I can't see proof otherwise
[02:45] <glick> whats illigal?
[02:46] <Madpilot> Slipaway172: no, I own a lot of CDs, and have been ripping like crazy
[02:46] <HrdwrBoB> therefore if it is illegal, I have been conned
[02:46] <Slipaway172> oh
[02:46] <HrdwrBoB> and if it's not, I have cheap music
[02:46] <g|patrick> glick, downloading movies
[02:46] <g|patrick> anime is a greyzone, if its NOT licensed
[02:46] <g|patrick> but in general its illigal to dl movies ;)
[02:46] <glick> g|patrick, how else am i supposed to watch movies for free on my computer?
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> copyright infringement is a very interesting area because in many cases (at least historically) it's not in fact illegal, it's a tort
[02:47] <g|patrick> buying?
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> and therefore civil
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> rather than criminal
[02:47] <Madpilot> glick: your local library?
[02:47] <g|patrick> well.. how can i pay at allofmp3?
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> it's not theft, and it never has been
[02:47] <g|patrick> i have no creditcard
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> g|patrick: paypal
[02:47] <g|patrick> how much costs a paypalaccount?
[02:47] <nJess> how do i add the kernel module powernow-k8 to the bootup?
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> nothing
[02:47] <g|patrick> ah...
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> in any case
[02:47] <Slipaway172> if u like music of any sorts go to www.shoutcast.com
[02:47] <glick> the random bits on my harddrive just happened to be the big lebowskie movie when i try to run it with mplayer
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> this is wildly offtopic
[02:48] <g|patrick> paypal is the ebay service, correct?
[02:48] <nJess> yeah it is
[02:48] <HrdwrBoB> glick: what a happy coincidence
[02:48] <HrdwrBoB> g|patrick: #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:48] <nJess> can i have help then please? since this is kinda a help channel and all
[02:48] <g|patrick> ok
[02:48] <HrdwrBoB> nJess: what's up
[02:48] <g|patrick> i still cant mount the hda2 and sb2 drives :(
[02:48] <nJess> how do i add the kernel module powernow-k8 to the bootup?
[02:48] <g|patrick> both are in /media
[02:48] <g|patrick> but i can't mount them
[02:49] <HrdwrBoB> nJess: edit /etc/modules
[02:49] <HrdwrBoB> and put it in there
[02:49] <HrdwrBoB> it will then load automatically
[02:49] <nJess> thank you
[02:49] <HrdwrBoB> no worries
[02:49] <g|patrick> i need the correct string of fstab
[02:50] <g|patrick> i wont see it in nautilus until its right there :(
[02:50] <HrdwrBoB> g|patrick: for what
[02:50] <g|patrick> right <-- i mean correct
[02:50] <nJess> im getting my brother's laptop ready for college
[02:50] <nJess> linux seems to be the way to avoid virus and spyware for him
[02:50] <Christin> my keyboard is messed up, the shift keys write q and z and the 'a' key doesn't work so well. how can i undo whatever i did to it? i already restored my xorg.conf file from backup
[02:50] <g|patrick> i cant access hda2 although terminal says its mounted
[02:50] <g|patrick> :(
[02:50] <equex> PurpleMotion: can you paste me the url to your little GL recipe ? or the log perhaps ?
[02:51] <HrdwrBoB> nJess: ahh, the only way? I think I see what you mean :)
[02:51] <equex> i cleaned up some parts of X now
[02:51] <HrdwrBoB> g|patrick: what do you mean you can't access it
[02:51] <HrdwrBoB> what actual error are you getting
[02:52] <Goodspeed> how do edit the menu at the top with applications places and sytem
[02:52] <Goodspeed> do i need that menu editor thing?
[02:52] <PurpleMotion> equex: i can give you our log
[02:52] <equex> that would be nice, i will save the text this time
[02:53] <g|patrick> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/964
[02:53] <reka> Goodspeed: yes. although iirc, you can't edit the system menu
[02:53] <g|patrick> i need help...
[02:53] <g|patrick> i am wasting my time here
[02:53] <g|patrick> its almost 3.am and i still were unable to backup
[02:54] <g|patrick> :(
[02:54] <Quest-Master> :\
[02:54] <g|patrick> i need access to my reiserfs partitions
[02:54] <chibifs> g|patrick What's the problem?
[02:54] <g|patrick> nautilus doesnt display them
[02:54] <chibifs> Maybe I can give you a hint or boost.
[02:54] <g|patrick> and i cant view their content with browser
[02:55] <g|patrick> so something is wrong there!
[02:55] <cafuego> g|patrick: Are you root?
[02:55] <g|patrick> sure
[02:55] <chibifs> Have you mounted the disks?
[02:55] <Slipaway172> when i do that, i can only do it as a root
[02:55] <HrdwrBoB> g|patrick: that's not the error
[02:55] <Christin> my keyboard is messed up, the shift keys write q and z and the 'a' key doesn't work so well. how can i undo whatever i did to it? i already restored my xorg.conf file from backup
[02:55] <g|patrick> termial says they are
[02:55] <HrdwrBoB> that's your fstab
[02:55] <HrdwrBoB> not to mention
[02:55] <g|patrick> ya... thats i am talkin gbaout an hour
[02:55] <cafuego> g|patrick: start a nautilus as root, IT can access the drive.
[02:55] <HrdwrBoB> why do you have so many partitions?
[02:55] <g|patrick> 500GB
[02:55] <jcfreak> anyone have any idea why i can get video and sound w/ totem-gstreamer, but only video w/ xine?
[02:55] <Quest-Master> damn.
[02:55] <g|patrick> splitted over 3 harddrives
[02:56] <g|patrick> 250 seagete + 2x 160 samsung
[02:56] <glick> damn i only have 300 gigs :(
[02:56] <Slipaway172> Christin, buy a new KB, they are under 410
[02:56] <Goodspeed> is there anyway to get root access outside of the terminal?
[02:56] <Slipaway172> $`0
[02:56] <cafuego> the part tense of 'split' is 'split'
[02:56] <Goodspeed> in ubuntu?
[02:56] <Slipaway172> they are under $10
[02:56] <g|patrick> Goodspeed, in kde u can start appz with rootrights from gui
[02:56] <cafuego> Slipaway172: Only shit ones are under $10
[02:56] <g|patrick> well.. whats wrong with my fstab
[02:57] <cafuego> Slipaway172: A good keyboard is a good investment.
[02:57] <g|patrick> i need a corrected one
[02:57] <g|patrick> plz help me
[02:57] <g|patrick> i am tired and i dont see any progress here... again :(
[02:57] <cafuego> g|patrick: umount /mnt/hda2
[02:57] <Goodspeed> how do I delete things in SMEG?
[02:57] <apokryphos> Goodspeed: of course. Just alt+f2 -> gksudo {appname} or kdesu {appname}
[02:57] <cafuego> g|patrick: mount -t reiserfs -o umask=000 /dev/hda2 /media/hda2
[02:58] <Slipaway172> cafuego, i bought a KB at a goodwill and for only $5 i got a microsoft split keyboard, never had one problem and i love how it is slipt
[02:58] <Goodspeed> that still wont let me delete in smeg
[02:58] <cafuego> g|patrick: If that won't work (it may not) you will need to just run 'sudo nautilus' and access it that way.
[02:58] <cafuego> Slipaway172: I used one of those once.
[02:58] <Goodspeed> and its so annoying seeing a blank program in the menu
[02:58] <cafuego> Slipaway172: Threw it out the window and went home to fetch my happy hacker.
[02:58] <g|patrick> terminal says, that hda2 is already mounted
[02:58] <Christin> slipaway172: it's not my keyboard that's the problem, it's linux, software problem.
[02:58] <cafuego> g|patrick: hence my first line, which was 'umount /media/hda2'
[02:58] <g|patrick> but there is no drive displayed, thats ha 20GiB
[02:58] <Slipaway172> oh
[02:59] <hayden> how can i add the application, places and system menus to the starterbar gdesklet?
[02:59] <g|patrick> now terminal says hda2 is not beeing found
[02:59] <g|patrick> whats wrong here
[02:59] <g|patrick> this suxx :(
[03:00] <g|patrick> all i do the alst 3 weeks is to backup and reset my linux all 3 days
[03:00] <g|patrick> because it gets wrecked again and again
[03:01] <cafuego> g|patrick: The user IDs don't match up on the livecd with the accounts you had on the system, that's why only root can access them.
[03:01] <g|patrick> :/
[03:01] <g|patrick> ya..
[03:01] <jcfreak> anyone have any idea why i can get video and sound w/ totem-gstreamer, but only video w/ xine?
[03:01] <Amaranth> Goodspeed: You can't delete things you didn't create.
[03:01] <Amaranth> Goodspeed: You can only hide them.
[03:02] <toad3030> there anybody that could help me on how to install themes from gnome-look.org??
[03:02] <Madpilot> toad3030: is that site back up, then?
[03:02] <g|patrick> where do appz store their settings
[03:02] <Hoxzer^^> Toad3030: do you have girl friend?
[03:02] <toad3030> yes it is back up
[03:02] <g|patrick> i cant find my opera contacts and passwords in the usr folder :(
[03:02] <g|patrick> cafuego, now i have access
[03:03] <g|patrick> i dont know why
[03:03] <g|patrick> but its there
[03:03] <Hoxzer^^> Toad: do you fuck her gently?
[03:03] <Madpilot> g|patrick: type "opera:about" in an address bar
[03:03] <g|patrick> well
[03:03] <g|patrick> madpilot
[03:03] <g|patrick> i am in livecd
[03:03] <g|patrick> searching the drive for my data
[03:03] <g|patrick> i dont have access to opera now
[03:03] <g|patrick> so i cant access the internal opera outpu
[03:03] <g|patrick> t
[03:03] <Madpilot> toad3030: save the archive to your desktop, open the Themes manager, and just drag the file over the theme window
[03:03] <Major-DeFeKT> k, i was just wondering, as i've only ever used one distrib of nix.. what's the advantage of this over others?
[03:04] <Madpilot> g|patrick: just a sec, I'll check my Opera isntall for you
[03:04] <g|patrick> thx :)
[03:04] <toad3030> haha, ok ty
[03:04] <g|patrick> btw. i hope my english is not too bad
[03:04] <g|patrick> i am lacking of practice
[03:04] <paulproteus> toad3030: The Linux world is finally getting to understand drag-and-drop. :)
[03:04] <Madpilot> g|patrick most of the settings should be in /home/<user>/.opera/opera6.ini
[03:04] <g|patrick> watching movies and excessvie chatting dont improve as much as i hoped ;)
[03:05] <toad3030> nice
[03:05] <g|patrick> Madpilot, thx
[03:05] <Madpilot> g|patrick: actually just /home/<user>/.opera/ of course
[03:05] <g|patrick> thx
[03:06] <g|patrick> btw. i am using it since opera4 now ;)
[03:06] <g|patrick> but i am still not used to linux way of storing data ;)
[03:06] <g|patrick> alhtough its much more logic than in windows with dozens of subfolders
[03:07] <Madpilot> g|patrick: I've been an Opera user about as long - but I'm new to Linux too
[03:07] <b0xen> I like the dozens of subfolders! They make me feel superior when I understand them :)
[03:07] <g|patrick> :)
[03:07] <HrdwrBoB> b0xen: haha
[03:07] <g|patrick> boxen: well thats why i have so many partions
[03:07] <g|patrick> movies, games, music
[03:07] <Madpilot> b0xen: ;) I don't think that qualifies as a good reason to have lots of folders!
[03:07] <g|patrick> its much easier and redundant if u dont have ONE huge drive
[03:07] <b0xen> Madpilot: having lots of folders makes me happy. I think that's a great reason!
[03:08] <Christin> my keyboard is messed up, the shift keys write q and z and the 'a' key doesn't work so well. how can i undo whatever i did to it? i already restored my xorg.conf file from backup
[03:08] <b0xen> Oh you just move that to C:\windows\system32\temp\drivers\x86 and then your good!
[03:08] <b0xen> see how easy it is :-P
[03:08] <g|patrick> b0xen, ?
[03:09] <b0xen> it was a joke
[03:09] <g|patrick> well.. what were u referring to?
[03:09] <b0xen> the fact that windows has dozens of subfolders
[03:09] <g|patrick> ya
[03:09] <g|patrick> i were talking about the user management
[03:09] <b0xen> In linux we don
[03:10] <g|patrick> i know!
[03:10] <b0xen> we don't have folders. We have "directories". That makes them better
[03:10] <g|patrick> in german there is no difference between those words
[03:10] <g|patrick> would u explain it?
[03:10] <tiglionabbit> lol, they're the same thing
[03:10] <b0xen> A folder is just a silly icon that represents a directory or subdirectory
[03:10] <g|patrick> well, the meaning is the same FOR ME
[03:10] <Madpilot> g|patrick: there isn't much difference in English either...
[03:10] <paulproteus> Christin: Check your GNOME keyboard settings.
[03:11] <paulproteus> Christin: Do you know how to get to those?
[03:11] <g|patrick> Madpilot, compound nouns ^
[03:11] <Hikaru79> Is there a user-specific script that is run whenever a specific user logs on?
[03:11] <g|patrick> germans like it to put nouns together ^
[03:11] <g|patrick> ;)
[03:11] <b0xen> Who needs icons anyway. Do all your work from the shell. It's the l33t way to be.
[03:11] <Hikaru79> (For example, a specific file that is executed when user 'bob' logs on, which is seperate from 'judy''s file?)
[03:11] <Madpilot> g|patrick: I've noticed that travelling in Germany... ;)
[03:11] <paulproteus> b0xen: Don't use the shell. Interact with the computer in manually-punched tape
[03:11] <PurpleMotion> whats the name of the friggen menu search & add utility for kde? i cant find it
[03:12] <g|patrick> steuer|vergnstigungs|abbau|gesetz <-- a law that fights tax benifits
[03:12] <g|patrick> e.g.
[03:12] <g|patrick> but thats OT again ... sry
[03:12] <paulproteus> Hikaru79: GNOME has an on-login-run-these-programs system.
[03:12] <Christin> paulproteus: yes. i had a look at it already. it's on generic 101-ky pc, us english
[03:12] <paulproteus> Christin: Hmm. And is that what you have?
[03:12] <Hikaru79> paulproteus, I'm looking for a general user-centric one, not based on a particular desktop system.
[03:12] <b0xen> paulproteus: Genious!
[03:12] <paulproteus> (BTW, you probably have a 104 key keyboard.)
[03:12] <b0xen> I'll be l33ter then ever!
[03:12] <paulproteus> b0xen: Each user's .profile, then, I guess?
[03:13] <b0xen> what about it
[03:13] <PurpleMotion> someone should make an athena style for kde
[03:13] <g|patrick> btw. a dot infornt of the folder means, that it will be hidden
[03:13] <paulproteus> PurpleMotion: Athena, like X Athena Widgets?
[03:13] <Christin> paulproteus: well, i think i have a 104, yeah. that's what it was set to originally, but i changed it in case that was the problem. didn't help
[03:13] <PurpleMotion> yes
[03:13] <paulproteus> Christin: Hmm, okay.
[03:13] <PurpleMotion> a windeco and matching kde style would own
[03:14] <PurpleMotion> or lcars
[03:14] <PurpleMotion> either one
[03:14] <Code_Dark> does ubuntu try to use ipv6 by default?
[03:15] <PurpleMotion> Code_Dark: it turns it on by default (at least it did on mine)
[03:15] <Code_Dark> do you know how to disable it?
[03:15] <PurpleMotion> turn it off in your sysv system i'd imagine
[03:16] <Hikaru79> paulproteus, where is each user's .profile stored? a 'locate .profile' only turned up the root one.
[03:16] <_SWAT_> anyone here use SciTE?
[03:16] <Hikaru79> _SWAT_, I do.
[03:16] <g|patrick> home, Hikaru79
[03:17] <Christin> paultproteusq: what should i try next?
[03:17] <Hikaru79> g|patrick, .profile in /home? If it doens't exist and I create it, it will be automatically picked up?
[03:17] <_SWAT_> Hikaru79, I need to change some colors etc. I did that in the global properties file. They aren't accepted/loaded. Do you know why?
[03:17] <toad3030> what is a good dvd player to use??
[03:17] <g|patrick> weired
[03:17] <Hikaru79> I've never tried modding the global properties file =/ Sorry.
[03:17] <g|patrick> btw. i cant access many sites not within linux
[03:17] <g|patrick> e.g. juckig.de
[03:18] <g|patrick> whats wrong here?
[03:18] <g|patrick> or spiegel.de
[03:18] <g|patrick> its said, that there was no host found
[03:18] <Hikaru79> Spiegel loads fine for me.
[03:18] <_SWAT_> g|patrick, which browser?
[03:18] <g|patrick> any
[03:18] <g|patrick> in windows it worx fine
[03:18] <paulproteus> Hikaru79: ~username
[03:18] <_SWAT_> g|patrick, try pinging debian.de or something. Any/much packetloss?
[03:18] <Madpilot> spiegel.de works, the other one doesn't for me - Opera 8.02 in Hoary...
[03:19] <paulproteus> ~username/.profile
[03:19] <g|patrick> Madpilot, the site exists... in windows i accessed it 2hours ago
[03:19] <g|patrick> where are the dns settings stored
[03:19] <g|patrick> i guess there is somethin gworn
[03:19] <g|patrick> wrong
[03:19] <Hikaru79> paulproteus, I don't have a .profile in my home dir. There's no /home/hikaru79/.profile . If I were to create one, would it automatically be recognized and run at login?
[03:19] <Code_Dark> okay. I have my eth0 up, it seems to have an inet addr, and seems to be sending/receiving some... but it doesnt seem like im on the net... any idea what's up?
[03:20] <g|patrick> have u enabled "view hidden files"
[03:20] <paulproteus> Hikaru79: Maybe it's .bash_profile these days.
[03:20] <Hikaru79> I'm using ls -al
[03:20] <paulproteus> I think the short answer to your question is "no", though.
[03:20] <Hikaru79> Ah. That it is, paulproteus! Thanks! ^_^
[03:20] <limer> hello. how might I go about using my headphones on a turtle beach santa cruz vs. using the speakers?
[03:20] <_SWAT_> I need a text editor (php/html etc.) which I can mod with great detail. I want it minimalistic (buttons etc.) and want to set all colors. Any suggestions?
[03:21] <Xenguy> _SWAT_: vim?
[03:21] <_SWAT_> ow, and it needs to be GUI :)
[03:21] <_SWAT_> Xenguy, thnx though :D
[03:21] <Xenguy> _SWAT_: gvim?
[03:21] <Xenguy> ;-)
[03:22] <frank_b> sorry to bother you... how does one rename a directory?
[03:22] <paulproteus> frank_b: mv
[03:22] <Xenguy> mv
[03:22] <_SWAT_> frank_b, 'mv'
[03:22] <paulproteus> Or right-click rename
[03:22] <frank_b> move it instead od directly renaming it?
[03:22] <Xenguy> yeh
[03:23] <Code_Dark> okay. ubuntu thinks that it's connected to my network as 192.168.1.110. however, when i ssh 192.168.1.111, it gives me 'no route to host'. any idea what's up?
[03:23] <_SWAT_> Xenguy, never heard of gvim. Will look into it. thnx for the heads up :)
[03:23] <frank_b> ah, ok. MS-DOS used to be like that but the latest versions allowed you to directly rename a directory name... whatever
[03:23] <frank_b> thanks
[03:24] <Hikaru79> Code_Dark, because you're connected to .110 and you ssh to .111 ?
[03:24] <Xenguy> _SWAT_: remember, learning (g)vi(m) is an investment :-)
[03:24] <Code_Dark> Hikaru79: ... it thinks that it's subnet ip is .110.
[03:24] <Code_Dark> im not actually connected
[03:24] <Code_Dark> but it thinks i am
[03:24] <limer> hello. how might I go about using my headphones on a turtle beach santa cruz vs. using the speakers?
[03:24] <Xenguy> heheh
[03:24] <Hikaru79> So was it a typo when you said you ssh to .111?
[03:25] <Code_Dark> no.
[03:25] <_SWAT_> Xenguy, I used vim as terminal editor so, at least I know that for a little bit
[03:25] <Code_Dark> Hikaru79: if my subnet ip is 192.168.1.110, then I should be able to ssh to 192.168.1.111
[03:25] <Code_Dark> from .110
[03:26] <Hikaru79> Oooh. FROM .110 TO .111?
[03:26] <Xenguy> _SWAT_: perfect, just learn all the commands :)
[03:26] <Code_Dark> Hikaru79: yep
[03:26] <Code_Dark> ubuntu thinks that it's on the subnet, but somehow i dont think it really is.
[03:28] <_SWAT_> Xenguy, damn... that's would be a lot of learning. Do you know of any other good editors?
[03:28] <occy> how can I get the new clearlooks engine wtih Ubuntu?
[03:28] <Christin> paultproteus: no ideas?
[03:28] <occy> the one with rounded corners on bottom and top.
[03:28] <g|patrick> whats clearlooks?
[03:28] <occy> http://art.gnome.org/themes/metacity/1009
[03:29] <occy> g|patrick, check that URL
[03:29] <Madpilot> Clearlooks in included in Ubuntu by default, I'm pretty sure
[03:29] <Madpilot> I'm using it on my desktop right now
[03:29] <Xenguy> _SWAT_: seriously, there are 'refcards' on the web that give you all the commands -- give it 3 months, and you'll be starting to cruise
[03:29] <occy> Madpilot, it's the old one with squared curves on the bottom though
[03:29] <occy> err
[03:29] <occy> heh
[03:29] <occy> squared curves.
[03:30] <occy> Madpilot, the one in Hoary has the squared bottoms.
[03:30] <occy> Madpilot, the new engine has curved bottoms.
[03:30] <Xenguy> _SWAT_: otherwise something like glimmer, or gedit, or emacs =), etc.
[03:30] <occy> check above URL and screenshot.
[03:30] <Madpilot> occy: the one I'm using right now has curves on all four corners
[03:30] <_SWAT_> Xenguy, why should I 'spend' 3 months learning vim? There are other editors on the web which don't need 3 months of learning
[03:30] <occy> Madpilot, really?
[03:30] <Madpilot> perhaps I did download it, then
[03:30] <occy> Maddy, how'd you get it?
[03:30] <occy> err
[03:30] <occy> Madpilot, how'd you get it?
[03:30] <Xenguy> _SWAT_: because of the dividends if you do stick it out
[03:30] <goldfish> _SWAT_: Vim rocks only takes a few minutes to learn the basics.
[03:30] <goldfish> well, the very basics
[03:31] <occy> Madpilot, do you have backports or something like that in your sources.list ?
[03:31] <Madpilot> occy: no backports, just extras. I'm pretty sure it's from the default install, but perhaps I updated it from gnome-looks.
[03:31] <goldfish> in vim you can do 10dd , saves ten minutes of holding backspace in nano!
[03:31] <occy> Madpilot, naw, I know for certain it's not the default.
[03:31] <Christin> my keyboard is messed up, the shift keys write q and z and the 'a' key doesn't work so well. how can i undo whatever i did to it? i already restored my xorg.conf file from backup
[03:31] <occy> Madpilot, hmmm I tried getting it and installing it... but the engine isn't up-to-date.
[03:32] <Xenguy> vim is a steep learning curve, but lots of power after it's learned
[03:32] <g|patrick> well.. if thats included
[03:32] <occy> Madpilot, you must have compiled the engine
[03:32] <g|patrick> where can i modify the windowapearence?
[03:32] <occy> Madpilot, which I don't know how to do. :)
[03:32] <_SWAT_> Xenguy, goldfish, i'm comparing vim now to things like gedit. Aren't those much faster/effective?
[03:32] <Madpilot> occy: no compiling here, but I do have four round corners!
[03:32] <occy> Madpilot, grrr!!!
[03:32] <occy> Madpilot, ;)
[03:32] <occy> Madpilot, I'll try gnome-look.org
[03:32] <Madpilot> g|patrick: System - Pref - Themes
[03:33] <g|patrick> thema... lol... where can i complain about the german translation^
[03:33] <g|patrick> there is no choice for roundet edges
[03:34] <Xenguy> _SWAT_: with vim you have to 'dive deep' and practice -- but after you do, it like this mythical, invincible editing tool that just chews up text files :-)
[03:34] <Madpilot> just a minute, I'll play with my Themes and see how I got four round corners...
[03:34] <_SWAT_> Xenguy, you make it sound really tastefull. Damn. You really start to convince me
[03:34] <Xenguy> _SWAT_: but yeah, gedit will get you productive in the short run
[03:34] <g|patrick> Madpilot, dont get hasty... we have much time...
[03:34] <occy> Madpilot, got it ;)
[03:35] <g|patrick> :)
[03:35] <occy> hehe
[03:35] <_SWAT_> Xenguy, longrun vim is better?
[03:35] <Xenguy> _SWAT_: its like climbing a big hill :-)
[03:35] <occy> Madpilot, clearlooks-balloon
[03:35] <occy> Madpilot, thanks
[03:35] <Xenguy> _SWAT_: "longrun" is vim's middle name ;-)
[03:35] <_SWAT_> Xenguy, I like climbing hills. I'm also now using Linux no matter the difficulty/cost. I take a crap on it :-)
[03:35] <Madpilot> occy: nope, my Clearlooks has four round in all settings. not sure how I got them, but they're cool!
[03:35] <g|patrick> occy, explain that plz :)
[03:35] <Xenguy> _SWAT_: yeah, there's a lot to explore
[03:36] <g|patrick> i still think, kde and gnome should sit around a round table to discuss how the gui might be easier to use
[03:36] <Madpilot> g|patrick: if there are translation errors, bug-report them to bugzilla.ubuntu.com and get them fixed for Breezy
[03:36] <occy> Madpilot, Yeah, I'm good to go...
[03:37] <g|patrick> Madpilot, thx :)
[03:37] <_SWAT_> Xenguy, and while I'm learning myself, I'm trying to convince others too :D
[03:37] <g|patrick> they should translate thema to something else
[03:37] <g|patrick> and their mousesettings... fr linke nutzung ^
[03:37] <Razor-X> a 7 hour ride, and i'm only prepared for like... 4 hours
[03:37] <g|patrick> that is absolutely wrong in german
[03:38] <g|patrick> we assasoiate political partys with such sentences
[03:38] <g|patrick> ^^
[03:38] <Xenguy> _SWAT_: doing it yourself is the best proof that it works (and it's fun too, some of the time =)
[03:38] <Madpilot> g|patrick: interesting. you might want to join the #ubuntu-doc group and see if someone there can help you
[03:39] <Madpilot> Ubuntu is supposed to have a big internationalization push, but it needs to be a well-done push!
[03:39] <Razor-X> I convinced my dad to bring his laptop -- now to see if I can get some basic wardiving done ;)
[03:42] <Code_Dark> okay
[03:43] <Code_Dark> i've narrowed down my problem
[03:43] <Code_Dark> when i use the graphical eth0 setup
[03:43] <Code_Dark> and set my gateway to 192.168.1.1
[03:43] <Code_Dark> and static ip to 192.168.1.116
[03:43] <Code_Dark> i can run 'route -n' and see that the destination is 192.168.1.0
[03:43] <HrdwrBoB> Code_Dark: if you use DHCP or ppp it will overwrite your gateway and DNS
[03:43] <Code_Dark> which isnt 192.168.1.1
[03:43] <Code_Dark> HrdwrBoB: i'm using neither dhcp or ppp
[03:44] <HrdwrBoB> Code_Dark: that's a route to get to your local net
[03:44] <HrdwrBoB> there should be two entries
[03:44] <Code_Dark> there arent.
[03:44] <HrdwrBoB> one of which defines access the the local net as direct
[03:44] <HrdwrBoB> and one which says access everything else though 192.168.1.1
[03:44] <luminerd> Why won't Ubuntu work with my mouse? Cat won't work, od won't work, the mouse works in other machines, I tried putting Ubuntu on the exact duplicate machine (I have 20 of them)....NOTHING WORKS!! The problem is in Ubuntu...has anyone had this or know hwo to fix it?
[03:44] <Code_Dark> HrdwrBoB: there isnt
[03:44] <Code_Dark> what's the command to add that?
[03:44] <Code_Dark> been awhile since i used route add
[03:44] <HrdwrBoB> route add default gw IP
[03:45] <benplaut> hello everyone :)
[03:45] <benplaut> !hello ubotu
[03:45] <ubotu> benplaut: I don't know, could you explain it?
[03:45] <benplaut> heh
[03:45] <HrdwrBoB> to change it permanently edit /etc/network/interfaces and add 'gateway IP'
[03:45] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: ok what mouse, what error, etc et
[03:45] <luminerd> ps/2, no error.
[03:45] <luminerd> it just won't move.
[03:45] <nickrud> Amaranth, you around for a quick question?
[03:46] <Xenguy> luminerd: why don't you just switch mice?
[03:46] <luminerd> Xenguy, I tried that too
[03:46] <Code_Dark> HrdwrBoB: well, it's added, but now when i ping 192.168.1.1 i get dest. host unreachable
[03:46] <ben_> so, i'm trying to configure my wireless card and it seems to be running, however only with an ipv6 (inet6) address in ifconfig which makes it usuless, how can i set up a regular ipv4 address on it?
[03:47] <HrdwrBoB> Code_Dark: paste me the output of route -n
[03:47] <Code_Dark> er, i cant paste it, but i can type it
[03:47] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: have you tried any different mice
[03:47] <HrdwrBoB> Code_Dark: close enough
[03:47] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, yes, as I mentioned, I have
[03:48] <Man1> since I upgraded thunderbird in hoary from the latest upgrade, I cannot start it anymore. It is stuch in an auto-restart loop. See http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/966 for the message displayed on the shell while auto-restarting
[03:48] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: I only saw that the mouse works on other machines
[03:48] <Madpilot> ompaul: it's Munsch's "the scream", actually! ;)
[03:48] <pax> anyone got mod_rewrite workig on ubuntu?
[03:48] <HrdwrBoB> so you've tested a different ps2 mouse on this machine?
[03:48] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, ok, sorry
[03:48] <luminerd> but yea
[03:49] <Xenguy> HrdwrBoB: maybe the serial port ?
[03:49] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: well then it's not the port
[03:49] <HrdwrBoB> Xenguy: it's a PS2 mouse.
[03:49] <ompaul> Madpilot, ahh
[03:49] <redtech> ok i ran into a prob.. im trying to apt-get wine and recieve the following '/var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process' and 'lsof /var/cache/debconf/config.dat' shows 'frontend 8019 root 4rW REG 3,66 64357 900181 /var/cache/debconf/config.dat' any ideas?
[03:49] <Xenguy> ahh
[03:49] <ompaul> Madpilot, same principle applies
[03:49] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: can you paste the Xorg.0.log on pastebin?
[03:49] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, what good would that do? and no, I can't
[03:50] <Madpilot> ompaul: I'm just going for pedant points! ;) who is Darl McBride, anyway?
[03:50] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, I have no mouse, remember??
[03:50] <luminerd> lol
[03:50] <HrdwrBoB> Madpilot: CEO of SCO
[03:50] <g|patrick> btw. is there any difference between ximian gnome and standard gnome?
[03:50] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: you can still ssh in and grab the file
[03:50] <benplaut> !lart Darl_McBride
[03:50] <ompaul> Madpilot, as HrdwrBoB said
[03:50] <Madpilot> HrdwrBoB: I'm almost sorry I asked! ;)
[03:51] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, I suppose, but I never have before
[03:51] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, it won't do any good though
[03:51] <luminerd> X starts fine
[03:51] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[03:51] <HrdwrBoB> I'm sure it does
[03:51] <luminerd> there's nothing about the mouse not working in there
[03:52] <HrdwrBoB> well X is what you want to use the mouse, isn't it
[03:52] <HrdwrBoB> what sort of mouse is it
[03:52] <Dr_Fate> If I need java with FF to run without crashing several ltimes a day
[03:52] <Dr_Fate> and overloading the browser
[03:52] <Dr_Fate> am I screwed?
[03:52] <Dr_Fate> anyone here need java for work and use FF?
[03:53] <calc> java and flash is all the same... crap :)
[03:53] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, ps/2
[03:53] <Dr_Fate> does it slow FF to a crawl with more than 6 windows open?
[03:53] <KarDt> I have one problem with a application that needs libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2, how can i install it?
[03:53] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: no, what brand/type
[03:53] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, and yes, X is what I want it for, but the log says the mouse works fine
[03:53] <Madpilot> calc: yeah, but widespread and often actually needed...
[03:53] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, doesn't matter
[03:53] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, no ps/2 mouse works in it
[03:53] <HrdwrBoB> .. but you said that other mice worked
[03:53] <luminerd> I have tried many
[03:53] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, no I didn't
[03:53] <HrdwrBoB> 11:48 < HrdwrBoB> so you've tested a different ps2 mouse on this machine?
[03:53] <HrdwrBoB> 11:48 < luminerd> HrdwrBoB, ok, sorry
[03:53] <HrdwrBoB> 11:48 < luminerd> but yea
[03:53] <luminerd> I said other mice don't work
[03:53] <calc> Madpilot: flash is actually needed for something other than advertising? :)
[03:53] <HrdwrBoB> I quite specifically asked that
[03:54] <HrdwrBoB> ok, so it's not the mouse, it's the port
[03:54] <luminerd> no
[03:54] <luminerd> it's not the port
[03:54] <Madpilot> calc: there's those great political cartoons - jibjab or something?
[03:54] <g|patrick> welll.. i am tired now :)
[03:54] <luminerd> because I tried another duplicate machine as well
[03:54] <g|patrick> gn8
[03:54] <luminerd> same thing
[03:54] <g|patrick> cu
[03:54] <g|patrick> :)
[03:54] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: no, what I mean is there is no problem with the mouse
[03:54] <calc> Madpilot: that isn't really needed, i though you meant for real work ;)
[03:54] <luminerd> ooh
[03:54] <luminerd> yea
[03:54] <calc> er thought
[03:54] <HrdwrBoB> there's a systemic problem with the port
[03:54] <luminerd> no prob with hardware at all
[03:54] <HrdwrBoB> not that the port is specifically broken
[03:54] <luminerd> ok
[03:54] <calc> though jibjab is funny
[03:54] <luminerd> heh sry
[03:54] <Madpilot> calc: real work no, haven't seen it used for any of that... ;)
[03:55] <HrdwrBoB> well there is a problem, just possibly not a broken problem
[03:55] <HrdwrBoB> the end result is, the mouse doesn't work
[03:55] <calc> i think i've only seen java used for a real work non-game once
[03:55] <HrdwrBoB> calc: we use java chat legitmately for a community site here
[03:55] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, lol, yea
[03:56] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: have you checked the bios for settings related to PS2
[03:56] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: or, even better 'revert to failsafe defaults'
[03:56] <HrdwrBoB> or equivalent
[03:56] <PurpleMotion> it's 10pm and almost ninety degrees
[03:56] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, no, and I hate to say this, but they worked fine when windows was on here
[03:56] <HrdwrBoB> PurpleMotion: you must be boiling
[03:56] <ompaul> PurpleMotion, emm its 2:56 am and its 12 degrees and wet
[03:56] <PurpleMotion> pretty fsckin hot
[03:56] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: again, not over relevant - it may have a setting that doesn't agree with the linux drivers
[03:56] <PurpleMotion> 12 degrees?
[03:57] <ompaul> PurpleMotion, yeap
[03:57] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, ok, so what, boot into bios now?
[03:57] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: something is wrong, change and eliminate thigns until it isn't.
[03:57] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[03:57] <PurpleMotion> whats that equal in degrees fahrenheit?
[03:57] <HrdwrBoB> it probably won't make a difference, but it's worth checking
[03:57] <ompaul> PurpleMotion, real ones oC ;-) about 50 iirc
[03:58] <moshe> I just burned the ppc livecd and rebooted a mac on it. It ignored the cd and loaded osx. why didn't it boot the cd?
[03:58] <PurpleMotion> i wish it was about fifty here
[03:58] <PurpleMotion> moshe: hold down C when you boot
[03:58] <ompaul> PurpleMotion, it is 59 actually
[03:58] <moshe> the letter c?
[03:58] <PurpleMotion> whatever, thats a sight better than 90
[03:58] <PurpleMotion> moshe: yes
[03:59] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, not sure where to go, it's Phoenix - AwardBIOS CMOS Setup Utility.
[03:59] <luminerd> do you know of this?
[03:59] <ompaul> PurpleMotion, http://www.wbuf.noaa.gov/tempfc.htm useful for that
[03:59] <Madpilot> calc: actually, for Flash being used from something like realy work, check this out: http://www.onesixright.com/ <-- it even works in Opera on Hoary
[03:59] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: poke around for a load failsafe defaults option
[03:59] <Madpilot> *real work...
[03:59] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, load optimized defaults?
[04:00] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[04:00] <HrdwrBoB> well.. failsafe defaults would be better
[04:00] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, alright, saved
[04:01] <HrdwrBoB> ok
[04:01] <HrdwrBoB> try now - it might work
[04:01] <HrdwrBoB> most likely not, but we've eliminated another possibility
[04:01] <luminerd> lol
[04:02] <KarDt> I have one problem with a application that needs libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2, how can i install it?
[04:02] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, negative
[04:02] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: can you paste dmesg?
[04:03] <ompaul> night all
[04:04] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, no, can't paste at all
[04:04] <luminerd> unless you know a hotkey for it
[04:04] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: ok, at the console
[04:04] <HrdwrBoB> sudo apt-get install ssh
[04:04] <HrdwrBoB> then on the other machine run ssh user@remotemachine dmesg > /tmp/dmesg.txt
[04:05] <HrdwrBoB> then paste /tmp/dmesg.txt
[04:05] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, have no net connection -_-
[04:05] <bingobango> does anyone know what to do about "Could not pause playback" errors with rhythmbox? it was working yesterday... then when i rebooted, i got nuffin.
[04:05] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: you can't network them with you locally?
[04:05] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, I don't know why
[04:05] <HrdwrBoB> bingobango: it's because gstreamer/esd are having fits
[04:05] <luminerd> the ethernet's plugged in
[04:05] <luminerd> I got an error on the install about it though HrdwrBoB
[04:05] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: what error?
[04:05] <bingobango> HrdwrBoB: hmmm. any idea how to unfit em?
[04:06] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, just said it couldn't configure network connection or something
[04:06] <luminerd> i figured it was cause it wasn't plugged in at the time
[04:06] <luminerd> it did it on the other machine too
[04:06] <luminerd> but the other machine can get on the net
[04:06] <luminerd> I hvae two of them with me by the way, and 18 are at the office
[04:07] <HrdwrBoB> well use the one that can get net access :)
[04:07] <bingobango> HrdwrBoB: what about switching sinks for audio output?
[04:07] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, umm...
[04:07] <luminerd> I need to fix it anyway
[04:07] <HrdwrBoB> if you have some budget, spend $sfa on usb mice
[04:07] <luminerd> do you know what caused this possibly or how I can fix it?
[04:07] <HrdwrBoB> bingobango: that would help
[04:07] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, no thanks, I'll sooner go with slackware.
[04:07] <HrdwrBoB> bingobango: depends on what you want
[04:07] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: it works with slackware?
[04:07] <luminerd> I just want to fix it though
[04:08] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, I bet it would. worked on Debian.
[04:08] <bingobango> HrdwrBoB: is there a discernible difference in sink choices?
[04:08] <HrdwrBoB> that's certainly odd
[04:08] <benkong2> where does one set ServerName in apache on ubuntu...I don't see it apache2.conf and httpd.conf is empty
[04:08] <HrdwrBoB> bingobango: yes, esd is total crack
[04:08] <luminerd> but debian all around sucked, and missed drivers for video, internet, and like 5 other devices
[04:08] <bingobango> HrdwrBoB: i just want something reliable
[04:08] <HrdwrBoB> bingobango: the best option is to get an emu10k1 card (sb live)
[04:08] <HrdwrBoB> and to not use esd at all
[04:09] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: have you tried cahnging the mouse device to /dev/psaux/
[04:09] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: have you tried cahnging the mouse device to /dev/psaux ?
[04:09] <luminerd> yea
[04:09] <luminerd> on the xorg.conf you mean right??
[04:09] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[04:09] <luminerd> yup
[04:09] <HrdwrBoB> tested the mouse using gpm?
[04:09] <luminerd> no
[04:09] <HrdwrBoB> that's the easiest test
[04:09] <HrdwrBoB> gpm is a console mouse driver
[04:10] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, somehow it's not getting an electronic signal at all though
[04:10] <luminerd> because cat, od, and less don't work...why would gpm?
[04:10] <luminerd> plus I'm not sure if I have gpm
[04:10] <luminerd> and how do I get this thing on the net?
[04:10] <bingobango> HrdwrBoB: all of the sinks say they can't construct a test pipeline under multimedia systems selector
[04:10] <bingobango> HrdwrBoB: sounds like a problem with my audio equipment rather than the driver
[04:10] <HrdwrBoB> bingobango: yes
[04:10] <HrdwrBoB> something is probably using it
[04:10] <HrdwrBoB> possibly esd
[04:10] <HrdwrBoB> possibly something else
[04:11] <Goodspeed> how do i find the local ip of my machine
[04:11] <Goodspeed> like 192.168.1.100
[04:11] <Goodspeed> or something liek that?
[04:11] <HrdwrBoB> Goodspeed: run ifconfig
[04:11] <Goodspeed> not ip config?
[04:11] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: run 'dhclient eth0'
[04:11] <Goodspeed> :)
[04:11] <sebix> Hi, I have vim 1:6.3-046+1ubuntu7 and I can't install vim-python, because of dependencies problem. I don't find out how to solve this...
[04:11] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: that won't solve it permanently but it'll run dhcp once so you can get on
[04:11] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: after you've fixed the mouse issue you can use the gui
[04:11] <luminerd> sweet
[04:11] <luminerd> thanks HrdwrBoB
[04:11] <luminerd> ok what did you want me to aptitude again?
[04:11] <HrdwrBoB> gpm
[04:12] <HrdwrBoB> I take it they're ball mice
[04:12] <luminerd> sudo aptitude install gpm?
[04:12] <luminerd> yea they are
[04:12] <HrdwrBoB> do you have a ps2 laser mouse?
[04:12] <HrdwrBoB> plug it in, see if it gets a light
[04:12] <HrdwrBoB> PurpleMotion: heh
[04:12] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, no, don't have one
[04:13] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, one's on its way int he mail though, heh
[04:13] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: hm ok
[04:13] <PurpleMotion> you can use the ps/2 port to power a 2.5" 4400rpm hdd
[04:13] <HrdwrBoB> that would be an easy test though
[04:13] <Madpilot> PurpleMotion: my step-mother still has one. without a scroll wheel. it sucketh mightily.
[04:13] <HrdwrBoB> Madpilot: buy her a new mouse
[04:13] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, so do or do not sudo aptitude install gpm?
[04:13] <HrdwrBoB> Madpilot: if you don't like her, use it to choke her with
[04:13] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: well, gpm is useful for mouse testing
[04:13] <HrdwrBoB> so yes
[04:13] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, I have a usb wacom?
[04:13] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: unless it works with a USB->ps2 converter
[04:14] <HrdwrBoB> then it's not really helping
[04:14] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, ok, I did that command, it said no candidate version found for gpm
[04:14] <PurpleMotion> i have a two inch long, one inch wide 7 button usb mouse (two buttons on top, one on each side, and the wheel (three buttons there))
[04:14] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, I don't know :/
[04:14] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: probably in universe
[04:14] <Madpilot> HrdwrBoB: ha! no, she's OK, bt might be getting a new mouse for her birthday... ;)
[04:14] <HrdwrBoB> Madpilot: heh, I just organised ADSL, wireless and a laptop for my inlaws
[04:15] <reka> PurpleMotion: you must be proud. :)
[04:15] <PurpleMotion> it's a pretty cool mouse
[04:15] <nJess> laptop has been finished
[04:15] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and enable universe
[04:15] <PurpleMotion> very small
[04:15] <HrdwrBoB> (see the comments in that file)
[04:15] <nJess> just gave brother a crashcourse in linux
[04:15] <nJess> that was fun
[04:15] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, ok yea I did that on the other heh
[04:15] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, I need emacs first, what's the command again?
[04:15] <luminerd> emacs31 or something?
[04:15] <luminerd> to aptitude it that is
[04:16] <reka> emacs21
[04:16] <luminerd> thanks :D
[04:16] <_SWAT_> anyone here now of a good music mix program? Just to 'edit' current MP3 songs and adding beats etc. ? (and maybe transforming and stuff)
[04:16] <PurpleMotion> _SWAT_: lmms
[04:17] <PurpleMotion> _SWAT_: lmms.sf.net
[04:17] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: nfi I don't use emacs :)
[04:17] <PurpleMotion> dunno about mp3's thou
[04:17] <HrdwrBoB> nJess: glad to hear :)
[04:17] <apokryphos> Amaranth: thought you might find this interesting http://blogs.qtdeveloper.net/archives/2005/08/03/some-basic-thoughts-about-kde-4/ -- mentions some of the things I remember you arguing
[04:17] <reka> anyone know of a video player/editor that can play/rewind frame-by-frame?
[04:17] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, is it the bottom two or the ones right under the thing that said uncomment these to add software from the universe
[04:17] <_SWAT_> PurpleMotion, thnx, I'll take a look at it
[04:18] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, nfi?
[04:18] <reka> sort of like quicktime player's capability
[04:19] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, its not in the wikipedia lol
[04:19] <_SWAT_> PurpleMotion, seems kinda new. Do you maybe know of a more mature program?
[04:19] <black13> i have have problems with xorg because my usr directory is readonly
[04:19] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: it's in AddingMultimediaRepositories
[04:19] <PurpleMotion> _SWAT_: not really, but i have it, and it runs pretty well
[04:20] <_SWAT_> PurpleMotion, can you check for the mp3 thing? (by any chance?)
[04:21] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, ok, now what? do the gpm thing?
[04:21] <PurpleMotion> it doesnt open mp3's.. it's more of a sequencer/loop editor... it actually works a LOT like fruity loops, if you're familiar with that
[04:21] <PurpleMotion> and to date, its VERY stable
[04:21] <reka> black13: what sort of problems?
[04:22] <Joose^> hi again..
[04:22] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: yeah
[04:22] <HrdwrBoB> check the manual
[04:22] <HrdwrBoB> and do some trial and error with different drivers etc
[04:22] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, hmm, it didnt work
[04:22] <luminerd> did the same thing
[04:23] <HrdwrBoB> the same thing?
[04:23] <luminerd> do I have to update the aptitude database or something liek that first?
[04:23] <tha_gamemaster> would it be difficult to set up ubuntu-server as port-restrictive firewall?
[04:23] <Joose^> it's this okay? sudo patch -p0 < /directorio/del/parche/patch-intel-537ep-kernel2610-2.60.80.1-20050423.diff
[04:23] <luminerd> sudo aptitude install gpm
[04:23] <Joose^> it's this okay? make clean patch -p0 < /directorio/del/parche/patch-intel-537ep-kernel2610-2.60.80.1-20050423.diff
[04:23] <black13> reka Cannot open "compiled/server-0.xkm" to write keyboard description:
[04:23] <_SWAT_> PurpleMotion, nice
[04:24] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, I already did this man
[04:24] <HrdwrBoB> oh
[04:24] <luminerd> I spent 5 hours changing around the xorg.conf
[04:24] <Goodspeed> how do i remove wine and limewire
[04:24] <HrdwrBoB> sudo apt-get update
[04:24] <reka> black13: what are you trying to do/what caused it?
[04:24] <Goodspeed> they arent on synaptic
[04:24] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: it may be a kernel problem
[04:24] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: this is why I was asking for dmesg output
[04:24] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: I can aldso recommend you get an email with all of this information
[04:25] <HrdwrBoB> and post it to the forums and the mailing list
[04:25] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, ok I can get it to you but how do I copy and paste without my mouse?
[04:25] <HrdwrBoB> because it's a more involved process
[04:25] <Joose^> it's this okay? make clean patch -p0 < /directorio/del/parche/patch-intel-537ep-kernel2610-2.60.80.1-20050423.diff
[04:25] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: use ssh
[04:25] <_SWAT_> PurpleMotion, take a look at this :D http://glame.sourceforge.net/index.var
[04:25] <HrdwrBoB> ssh to that machine from yours
[04:25] <HrdwrBoB> run dmesg
[04:25] <HrdwrBoB> then c/p
[04:25] <Total> hey guys how do you get an application through root terminal
[04:25] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, ...how man!
[04:25] <black13> reka i have build a live cd the usr directory is mount read only ... the file system is squashfs
[04:25] <luminerd> I dont know its ip
[04:25] <Goodspeed> how do i get rid of osmething thats not in synaptic
[04:25] <luminerd> and how to do that
[04:26] <luminerd> I'm completely lost at it
[04:26] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: 1) install ssh
[04:26] <reka> Total: define 'get'
[04:26] <Total> apt get
[04:26] <HrdwrBoB> 2) on your machine run ssh user@remoteip
[04:26] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, already got it
[04:26] <Total> how do you type it
[04:26] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, usr@remoteip?
[04:26] <ateoh211> hello, would anyone be willing to help me to troubleshoot wvdial?
[04:26] <PurpleMotion> oh look, it's soundforge for linux
[04:26] <tha_gamemaster> Total, apt-get install packagename
[04:26] <reka> Total: don't use the root terminal...use normal and then type sudo apt-get <whatever>
[04:26] <benplaut> !lart Dave_Orton
[04:26] <PurpleMotion> now all they need to do is clone acid pro and im a happy musician again
[04:26] <benplaut> thanks, ubotu
[04:26] <ateoh211> apt-cache search filename
[04:27] <luminerd> how do I get the remoteip, HrdwrBoB ?
[04:27] <black13> reka http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=1155&tstart=0
[04:27] <Joose^> i need help to install intel537ep
[04:27] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: you said you knew its IP
[04:27] <luminerd> luminerd HrdwrBoB, ...how man!
[04:27] <luminerd> luminerd I dont know its ip
[04:27] <yo2k> hi guys...
[04:27] <Goodspeed> do i use apt-get remove to remove packages that arent in synaptic???
[04:28] <ateoh211> I run setup for the modem and put a username a pword in for my isp...
[04:28] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: run ifconfig it will tell you
[04:28] <shammy> I have my drivers installed, but when i try sudo modprobe ndiswrapper, i get an error saying cannot insert ndiswrapper, operation not permitted. Why would that be?
[04:28] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, which one is it?
[04:28] <yo2k> how i know the hostname in my local network, if i know the ip addr ?
[04:28] <black13> reka this give a run down of bug basically /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkbd/compiled cant be written to
[04:28] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: eth0
[04:28] <HrdwrBoB> yo2k: run host ip
[04:28] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, which one there?
[04:28] <yo2k> HrdwrBoB, thank's...
[04:28] <ateoh211> sometime it hangs after -->Modem initialized -->Please enter password(or empy password to stop):
[04:29] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: the one that says inet: addr
[04:29] <HrdwrBoB> inet addr:
[04:29] <luminerd> luminerd@darkstar:~$ ssh [email protected]
[04:29] <luminerd> ssh: connect to host 192.168.2.10 port 22: Connection refused
[04:29] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[04:29] <HrdwrBoB> this is why I said to get ssh
[04:29] <Joose^> and a guide says this sudo patch -p0 < /directorio/del/parche/patch-intel-537ep-kernel2610-2.60.80.1-20050423.diff i do that, but now says than apply this commands make clean, sudo make 537, make install , how i use those commands, i mean.. how
[04:29] <tha_gamemaster> luminerd, did you start the ssh daemon?
[04:29] <luminerd> tha_gamemaster, no clue
[04:29] <reka> black13: not really sure sorry.....but would a chmod be appropriate?
[04:29] <HrdwrBoB> sudo apt-get install ssh
[04:29] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, oh, wait, the machine I'm SSHing to needs ssh?!
[04:30] <HrdwrBoB> please read what I type
[04:30] <HrdwrBoB> I'm not doing it for my own amusement
[04:30] <ateoh211> We are trying to start a community program, ubuntu on donated systems for those who can't afford.
[04:30] <tha_gamemaster> luminerd, the pc you are trying to connect to needs to have ssh installed
[04:30] <ateoh211> but I'm having a heck of a time with this modem
[04:30] <black13> reka no unfortunately squashfs is a readonly file system
[04:30] <luminerd> ah hah!
[04:30] <luminerd> that's my prob lol
[04:30] <Joose^> and a guide says this sudo patch -p0 < /directorio/del/parche/patch-intel-537ep-kernel2610-2.60.80.1-20050423.diff i do that, but now says than apply this commands make clean, sudo make 537, make install , how i use those commands, i mean.. how
[04:30] <ateoh211> does anyone do dial up anymore?
[04:30] <HrdwrBoB> ateoh211: not really
[04:30] <reka> ateoh211: heaps
[04:30] <HrdwrBoB> ateoh211: the only thing I do with dialup is migrate people away from it
[04:31] <black13> reka etc var root are use the tmpfs file system
[04:31] <HrdwrBoB> reka: DSL is cheaper
[04:31] <nickrud> lol, HrdwrBoB I just drop in and you say
[04:31] <nickrud> 'migrate'
[04:31] <PurpleMotion> _SWAT_: checking out glame now..
[04:31] <ateoh211> HrdwrBoB: what if your on the road with a laptop, or what if your trying to provide an underprivleged person with internet?
[04:31] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, http://pastebin.com/329676
[04:31] <Madpilot> is the default audio CD player going to be changed for Breezy? My copy hangs with every d*mn CD I try and use it with...
[04:31] <PurpleMotion> twas already in universe
[04:32] <HrdwrBoB> ateoh211: then I'll use dialup or a local wireless provider
[04:32] <reka> black13: yeah, sorry, i'm not much of an expert with what you're doing
[04:32] <HrdwrBoB> but my point is more it's not really of interest to most people
[04:32] <HrdwrBoB> so it's not really recieving the attention it perhaps needs
[04:32] <ateoh211> HrdwrBoB: cool, so anychance you or anyone here could give me some tips troubleshooting a wvdial
[04:32] <ateoh211> ..setup?
[04:33] <Goodspeed> how do i get rid of wine?!
[04:33] <ateoh211> Goodspeed: drink it
[04:33] <nickrud> ateoh211, use pppconfig, not wvdial
[04:33] <ateoh211> ;)
[04:33] <black13> reka well sometimes just chatting with someone cause you to have to focus your thoughts ...
[04:33] <Vubuntu> hey all. How do I add a splash screen in gnome?
[04:34] <benplaut> Vubuntu: "sudo apt-get install gtweakui"
[04:34] <reka> black13: well, hoped it helped. lol :)
[04:34] <benplaut> !splashscreen
[04:34] <ubotu> benplaut: Bugger all, i dunno
[04:34] <benplaut> hmm
[04:34] <Vubuntu> benplaut, cool thanks
[04:34] <benplaut> we'll have to do something about that...
[04:34] <spanglesontoast> bored installing vmware.
[04:34] <HrdwrBoB> benplaut: nautilus with ~ as desktop is love
[04:35] <Goodspeed> how do you delete directories?
[04:35] <Madpilot> Goodspeed: highlight in Nautilus & hit the Delete key usually works
[04:35] <Goodspeed> i dont have permission
[04:35] <benplaut> ubotu splashscreen is to change your splashscreen via a GUI, "sudo apt-get install gtweakui", or install "gtweakui" from Synaptic (make sure you have universe !repos enabled)
[04:35] <ubotu> okay, benplaut
[04:36] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: that's not the whole of dmesg
[04:36] <benplaut> !splashscreen
[04:36] <ubotu> from memory, splashscreen is to change your splashscreen via a GUI, "sudo apt-get install gtweakui", or install "gtweakui" from Synaptic (make sure you have universe !repos enabled)
[04:36] <reka> Goodspeed: where are the directories?
[04:36] <benplaut> !thanks
[04:36] <ubotu> no worries, benplaut
[04:36] <Madpilot> benplaut: you can /msg the bot to train it
[04:36] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, you want it all?
[04:36] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[04:36] <benplaut> true
[04:36] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, that will take forever :(
[04:36] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: why?
[04:36] <Goodspeed> they're hidden ones in my home
[04:36] <benplaut> HrdwrBoB: what is ~?
[04:36] <Goodspeed> .wine
[04:36] <_SWAT_> PurpleMotion, I'm off c ya
[04:36] <HrdwrBoB> benplaut: home directory
[04:36] <Goodspeed> no... im not trying to delete my usr direcotry
[04:36] <Goodspeed> ...yet
[04:37] <benplaut> ahh
[04:37] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: try ssh user@remote dmesg > /tmp/dmesg.txt
[04:37] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, because I have no way of highlighting it all
[04:37] <spanglesontoast> i've been trying to get cedega to work with swat 3
[04:37] <benplaut> oh, i forgot to do that screenshot :/
[04:37] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: then open dmesg.txt
[04:37] <reka> HrdwrBoB: can you recommend a good au DSL provider?
[04:37] <HrdwrBoB> select all, paste
[04:37] <benplaut> reka: verizon
[04:37] <HrdwrBoB> reka: broadbandchoice.com.au
[04:37] <HrdwrBoB> benplaut: ... AU
[04:37] <reka> HrdwrBoB: cheers
[04:37] <benplaut> AU?
[04:38] <HrdwrBoB> reka: no worries
[04:38] <benplaut> oh
[04:38] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, there's no /tmp/dmesg.txt?
[04:38] <benplaut> australia
[04:38] <HrdwrBoB> benplaut: it's one of those plases not in the US
[04:38] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, oooh
[04:38] <b0xen> Is there anywhere I can find a complete list of the software I can install with apt-get?
[04:38] <luminerd> I got it, sorry
[04:38] <b0xen> Or some way to look up the name of the package?
[04:38] <HrdwrBoB> b0xen: apt-cache search foo
[04:38] <benplaut> b0xen: it's about 16,000 items long
[04:38] <b0xen> so i know what it is i want to apt get
[04:38] <skalpel> root_____: you should not irc as root, it is unsafe. i would recommend you close yoru client and login under a different name
[04:38] <HrdwrBoB> b0xen: or run synaptic
[04:38] <palandia> hi there
[04:38] <benplaut> b0xn: yeah
[04:38] <b0xen> does search foo give descriptions?
[04:38] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[04:39] <b0xen> can I apt-get synaptic? or is it installed by default
[04:39] <HrdwrBoB> installed by default
[04:39] <b0xen> cool
[04:39] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, no idea how to select all though still
[04:39] <benplaut> it's installed by default
[04:39] <palandia> i have installed hoary from iso but my Xserver doesnt start can anybody help me please
[04:39] <benplaut> gksudo synaptic
[04:39] <shammy> When i use su, and enter my pass I get an authentification failed, but when i try sudo anything and enter the pass it works, what is this?
[04:39] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: open it in gedit, select all?
[04:39] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, well I did emacs but ok
[04:39] <benplaut> ubotu tell palandia about xserver
[04:39] <HrdwrBoB> shammy: because su doesn't work
[04:39] <Vubuntu> brb trying out my splash screen
[04:39] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, gedit's not on there?
[04:39] <HrdwrBoB> shammy: because root does not have a password
[04:40] <shammy> HrdwrBoB: Oh, ok
[04:40] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: gedit is installed with ubuntu-desktop
[04:40] <luminerd> umm
[04:40] <HrdwrBoB> and this is on YOUR machine
[04:40] <luminerd> well the command 'gedit' doesn't work :/
[04:40] <benplaut> ubotu tell shammy about sudo
[04:41] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, thanks for the help
[04:41] <palandia> gregg_ told me about a via driver in hoary for xorg, but when i dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg i connot select via driver i does not appear as an option
[04:41] <luminerd> I gotta go
[04:41] <luminerd> ttyl
[04:41] <benplaut> bye
[04:41] <palandia> my chipset is VIA/S3 Unichrome Graphics
[04:41] <direwolf> ha
[04:41] <palandia> hello????
[04:41] <HrdwrBoB> palandia: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:41] <rgould> How do I get the nofitication panel to refresh? I have gaim minimized there, and I refreshed gnome-panel and now it has vanished =\
[04:42] <direwolf> on right desktop?
[04:42] <HrdwrBoB> palandia: then search for the 'Device' section
[04:42] <benplaut> rgould: it's running in the notification panel, so it'll close when you killall gnome-panel
[04:42] <HrdwrBoB> change the driver to via
[04:42] <ateoh211> nickrud: thanks, that got me closer, I'm actually getting a handshake, but can't tell why it fails
[04:42] <rgould> oh! doh. they aren't actually running :) thanks benplaut
[04:43] <ateoh211> nickrud: my username and password are definitely correct
[04:43] <palandia> ok
[04:43] <palandia> i have changed from vesa to via in driver in DEvice
[04:43] <palandia> but...Failed to load module "via"
[04:43] <direwolf> if you x'd out your buddy list i dont think you can get it back up without restarting gaim
[04:43] <shammy> HrdwrBoB: I'm having a problem with ndiswrapper, when i try sudo modprobe ndiswrapper, i get an operation not permitted error, so thats why i tried su, would this mean i need to enable the root account?
[04:43] <HrdwrBoB> shammy: no
[04:44] <HrdwrBoB> shammy: what that means is the module failed to work
[04:44] <ateoh211> anyone have any trouble shooting tips for dial up?
[04:44] <shammy> HrdwrBoB: why would that be?
[04:44] <ateoh211> I'm getting a handshake but no connect
[04:44] <HrdwrBoB> shammy: have you configured it?
[04:44] <palandia> HrdweBoB: got it?
[04:44] <HrdwrBoB> ateoh211: could be the ISP?
[04:44] <direwolf> does isp support linux ?
[04:44] <HrdwrBoB> palandia: ?
[04:44] <rgould> Hmm. Actually it was only gaim that shut down when gnome-panel was refreshed. amaroK is still happily running, but I cannot open the main window.
[04:44] <HrdwrBoB> direwolf: doesn't matter
[04:45] <palandia> HrdweBoB: i have changed from vesa to via in driver in DEvice section and X says FAILED TO LOAD module "via"
[04:45] <palandia> HrdweBoB: any idea?
[04:45] <HrdwrBoB> palandia: then there isn't a via driver :)
[04:45] <benplaut> rgould: sometimes a program will have a daemon that keeps it alive
[04:45] <shammy> HrdwrBoB: Uh, I guess not since I don't know what configuring there would be to do. I've installed the package, then installed the driver with ndiswrapper -i filename.inf, what else do i need to do?
[04:45] <ateoh211> HrdwrBoB: doubtfull, it's a major University and no reports on their stat pages(or in my e-mails, I'm employed and a sysadmin there)
[04:45] <palandia> HrdweBoB: but vesa should works with VIA/S3 Unichrome right?
[04:46] <HrdwrBoB> palandia: vesa should work with everything
[04:46] <direwolf> ive seen dialups that need some windows program to connect ..granted they were shady type deals but nonetheless
[04:46] <HrdwrBoB> shammy: that should do it
[04:46] <palandia> HrdweBoB: where ca i paste my Xorg. log?
[04:46] <ateoh211> is there a good log to read for pon or a way to recieve some verbos output?
[04:46] <HrdwrBoB> palandia: pastebin.com
[04:46] <palandia> HrdweBoB: for you to see it
[04:46] <benplaut> ubotu tell palandia bout pastebin
[04:46] <Tribune> hi
[04:47] <benplaut> ubotu tell palandia aout pastebin
[04:47] <Tribune> how can i get Koffice application?
[04:47] <nickrud> ateoh211, sorry, just dropped back in
[04:47] <benplaut> tribune: i'd assume "sudo apt-get install koffice"
[04:48] <shammy> HrdwrBoB: I had this error before, so I reinstalled ubuntu altogether, because i had been a little sloppy since i had no idea what i was doing, but the second time everything went fine, and ndiswrapper worked, but when i tryed logging back in I got an error saying it was a bad instal, so i reinstalled it and i'm back to the same error. Why would the operation not be permitted?
[04:48] <Tribune> Reading package lists... Done
[04:48] <Tribune> Building dependency tree... Done
[04:48] <Tribune> Package koffice is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:48] <Tribune> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[04:48] <Tribune> is only available from another source
[04:48] <direwolf> sudo
[04:48] <Tribune> E: Package koffice has no installation candidate
[04:48] <nickrud> ateoh211, try this: start a gnome-terminal, and execute tail -f /var/log/syslog
[04:48] <Tribune> i can't
[04:49] <nickrud> ateoh211, then, in another gnome terminal, try pon. There may be some useful messages on the other terminal
[04:50] <ateoh211> nickrud: ok, LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests, connection terminated, receive seril link is not 8-bit clean: Problem: all had bit 7 set to 0
[04:50] <Tribune> ?
[04:50] <palandia> HrdweBoB: can you see my post at pastebin.com please
[04:50] <tigliona1bit> Tribune: you need to add the Universe repository
[04:50] <tigliona1bit> Tribune: wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[04:50] <HrdwrBoB> palandia: paste the url to it and I will :)
[04:50] <nickrud> ateoh211, I have _never_ seen anything like that, so, maybe direwolf has some pointers
[04:51] <palandia> HrdweBoB: got it?
[04:51] <juancho> hello
[04:51] <ateoh211> direwolf: pointers for ppp by anychance?
[04:51] <HrdwrBoB> no
[04:51] <direwolf> sorry, i dont
[04:51] <HrdwrBoB> paste it here
[04:51] <HrdwrBoB> (the url)
[04:51] <Tribune> tiglionalhit. thanks... i'm using Kubuntu
[04:52] <Tribune> is it the same process?
[04:52] <ateoh211> nickrud: should I be able to see my password in the clear in the logs, I don't, but I'm just curious if that's the problem
[04:52] <Goodspeed> how do i remove wine... its not in synaptic and its not in add or remove
[04:52] <Tribune> I'm still new in kubuntu actually
[04:52] <palandia> HrdweBoB: pastebin.com fisrt link :S
[04:52] <nickrud> ateoh211, maybe, paste the total errors to pastebin, I may recognize something :)
[04:52] <palandia> HrdweBoB: its ok?
[04:52] <tigliona1bit> Tribune: yes, same
[04:52] <Tribune> k
[04:52] <tigliona1bit> I think
[04:52] <Tribune> i'll check now
[04:52] <tigliona1bit> I'm not sure =P
[04:52] <Tribune> hahaha
[04:52] <Tribune> :))
[04:52] <tigliona1bit> shouldn't be too hard though
[04:53] <PurpleMotion> what the hell is oberon?
[04:53] <ateoh211> Goodspeed: apt-get remove wine ?
[04:53] <PurpleMotion> and who stuck me on this 'future of kde' page?
[04:53] <direwolf> question for the room ...which do you think is more user-friendly .. xfce or fluxbox :)
[04:53] <Tribune> brb
[04:53] <direwolf> heh
[04:53] <nickrud> ateoh211, I've diagnosed dialup errrors since 300kbs
[04:53] <ateoh211> Goodspeed: then maybe a dpkg --purge wine for good measure
[04:54] <direwolf> nickrud, my condolences
[04:54] <Goodspeed> it says wine isnt installed
[04:54] <palandia> HrdweBoB: got my post? at pastebin?
[04:54] <nickrud> direwolf, I just started early ;P
[04:54] <tigliona1bit> direwolf: if you're comparing the versions on APT, the fluxbox it installs is quite crippled to start off with, so definately XFCE
[04:54] <flowin> i tried both xfce and fluxbox
[04:54] <HrdwrBoB> palandia: you haven't pasted the url.
[04:54] <flowin> i liked fluxbox better
[04:54] <HrdwrBoB> oh
[04:54] <HrdwrBoB> .. I'll look
[04:54] <goldfish> flux > *
[04:54] <flowin> but it required more time to configure
[04:54] <PurpleMotion> be VERY careful when using purge with low-level package management applications
[04:54] <HrdwrBoB> palandia: but basically, the easier you make it for me
[04:54] <ateoh211> nickrud: i'm wondering if maybe I need our vpn client
[04:54] <HrdwrBoB> the more I can do for you
[04:55] <PurpleMotion> ive seen people FUBAR their systems using the purge option
[04:55] <palandia> HrdweBoB: i am at lynx text version so hwo can i know my paste url?
[04:55] <direwolf> non-apt
[04:55] <Goodspeed> how do i remove limewire if its not on add remove or synaptic
[04:55] <HrdwrBoB> palandia: hrm
[04:55] <HrdwrBoB> palandia: have you tried the 's3' driveR?
[04:56] <nickrud> ateoh211, not if it is just 'get my machine talking to another machine that will be my gateway'. But, corporate stuff cancels all normality.
[04:56] <b0xen> I'm getting a birthday present from the Ubuntu Foundation in october :)
[04:56] <palandia> HrdweBoB: saw my post?....i have not tried s3 driver
[04:57] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[04:57] <HrdwrBoB> it doesn't work :)
[04:57] <jmspeex> Any clue as to why the fonts in gv look bad?
[04:57] <palandia> HrdweBoB: vesa does not weork see that in the pasted text?
[04:57] <flowin> theres an anti-aliasing option in gv
[04:57] <HrdwrBoB> palandia: yes
[04:58] <phixion> anyone know of a repository with the latest tcl in? :E
[04:58] <yossnet81> "the greeter program appears to be crashing attempting to use a different one". in addition, weird colors are coming up on my VT's in random places
[04:58] <yossnet81> i am having trouble with breezy. my xserver is broken. when it loads , gdm looks all funky (can't see anything) except a window on top that says the above
[04:58] <tha_gamemaster> is hpfs+ write support still "experimental" ?
[04:58] <yossnet81> any suggestions
[04:58] <Madpilot> phixion: do you have all repos enabled? Universe/Multiverse?
[04:59] <goldfish> yossnet81: read topic...
[04:59] <phixion> yes Madpilot :D
[04:59] <flowin> im using breezy now
[04:59] <flowin> seems ok
[04:59] <jmspeex> I guess I should say that gs is producing worse results (for screen display) than I've been used to.
[04:59] <jmspeex> i.e. gv, ggv and gnome-gv are affected
[04:59] <nickrud> flowin, how's your ctl-alt-f1?
[04:59] <F0ckF3ar22> Hey guys
[04:59] <yossnet81> goldfish- yeah, but my problems are nothing like anyone elses....
[05:00] <cookiemnstr> how do i setup dial-up on ubuntu
[05:00] <flowin> what does ctl-alt-f1 do
[05:00] <F0ckF3ar22> I have a sony vaio currently running a crappy debian (Sarge) im trying to install ubuntu.. i have the ubuntu cd's the only thing is for some reason i cant load the cd up.. im using an external cd rom drive
[05:00] <flowin> nickrud, doesnt seem to have any effect..
[05:01] <nickrud> flowin, that's one problem with breezy right now. Should get you a virtual console. But, congrats for getting that far :)\
[05:01] <Tremblay> Could someone suggest a way to have two Ubuntu laptops see each other on the same network? NFS requires one computer to act as a server, right?
[05:01] <flowin> ic.,
[05:01] <tha_gamemaster> Tremblay, i still use ftp but i'm "out of date"
[05:02] <avanspronsen> Tremblay, what do you want to do? copy files?
[05:02] <flowin> had some problems.. but just dist-upgraded.. and it worked magically
[05:02] <Tremblay> avanspronsen, copy files, mostly.
[05:02] <F0ckF3ar22> oh i must be talking to mhy self
[05:02] <F0ckF3ar22> I have a sony vaio currently running a crappy debian (Sarge) im trying to install ubuntu.. i have the ubuntu cd's the only thing is for some reason i cant load the cd up.. im using an external cd rom drive
[05:02] <avanspronsen> tremblay ssh?
[05:02] <flowin> F0ckF3ar22, try changing the boot order
[05:02] <Tremblay> Hm, does SSH have a GUI?
[05:02] <Madeye> i'm out
[05:03] <nickrud> F0ckF3ar22, again?
[05:03] <avanspronsen> you can select Places|Connect to Server and then slect SSH
[05:03] <cookiemnstr> how do i setup dial-up on ubuntu?
[05:04] <nickrud> cookiemnstr, pppconfig is the canonical way to get dialup
[05:04] <F0ckF3ar22> flowin i tried
[05:04] <flowin> why dont u try apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:04] <flowin> and change ur repo
[05:04] <flowin> ?
[05:04] <Tremblay> avanspronsen, do I have to setup something before hand?
[05:04] <phixion> can anyone help? whats this trying to tell me? - ./eggdrop: error while loading shared libraries: libtcl8.4.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | make: *** [install-start] Error 127
[05:05] <^thehatsrule^> phixion: you need tcl installed
[05:05] <nickrud> cookiemnstr, Applications->Terminal, then type sudo pppconfig, and enter your password if needed
[05:05] <phixion> I have it installed :o
[05:05] <phixion> how can i see if its running?
[05:05] <avanspronsen> Tremblay: sudo apt-get ssh from a terminal
[05:06] <cookiemnstr> ok i did that nickrud
[05:06] <avanspronsen> sorry, sudo apt-get install ssh
[05:06] <^thehatsrule^> its the runtime libraries you need phixion, perhaps open the makefile to config it
[05:06] <goldfish> eh
[05:06] <cookiemnstr> what do i do to start the dial-up
[05:06] <^thehatsrule^> to show where it is?
[05:06] <nickrud> cookiemnstr, so, were you able to enter your username and passord for your isp properly?
[05:06] <phixion> ^thehatsrule^, how do i open it? :)
[05:06] <cookiemnstr> yes i was
[05:06] <^thehatsrule^> its a text file
[05:07] <nickrud> cookiemnstr, then.
[05:07] <Tremblay> avanspronsen, to your knowledge, will both computers be able to act as client and server without reboots or other configs?
[05:07] <cookiemnstr> yeah
[05:07] <avanspronsen> Tremblay: correct
[05:07] <phixion> ^thehatsrule^, the make file for the eggdrop?
[05:07] <cookiemnstr> whats next nickrud
[05:07] <^thehatsrule^> yes, maybe you have to specify the tcl paths?
[05:08] <cafuego> phixion: 'apt-get install eggdrop' will pull in all required libraries, as well as install the actual pos.
[05:08] <nickrud> two commands (pon, and poff) should start and stop your internet. I usually just hit <alt>f2 (the gnome run dialog) and did pon and poff as needed
[05:08] <cookiemnstr> ok
[05:08] <^thehatsrule^> bbl
[05:08] <phixion> thanks alot! :D
[05:08] <cookiemnstr> i typed pon it asked for my password
[05:08] <cookiemnstr> i used my dial up password and nothing happen
[05:08] <cookiemnstr> so i tried my log on passwprd and smae thing
[05:09] <shammy> 23:04:31] -NickServ- please choose a different nick.
[05:09] <shammy> -
[05:09] <shammy> uh
[05:09] <shammy> disregard that
[05:09] <nickrud> cookiemnstr, then, let's try this: start a gnome-terminal (Applications->System Tools->Terminal) from the top menu
[05:10] <cookiemnstr> ok
[05:10] <paulproteus> shammy: Okay.
[05:10] <cookiemnstr> i am in windows now so i have to chance over to try
[05:11] <traveller> what iptables frontend would anyone recommend?
[05:11] <nickrud> Now, so we can see what's going on: right click the top panel, and add system monitor, if you don't already have it
[05:11] <cookiemnstr> so what do i type in the gnome-terminal
[05:11] <cookiemnstr> same thing
[05:11] <Tremblay> avanspronsen, sorry to bother, but how do I setup accounts in ssh?
[05:12] <nickrud> cookiemnstr, pon, to start, and poff, to stop the internet, as long as pppconfig questions were answered
[05:12] <cookiemnstr> ok thanks i will try that
[05:12] <cafuego> Tremblay: 'sudo adduser <username>'
[05:12] <Madpilot> traveller: Firestarter is easy to use
[05:12] <nickrud> cookiemnstr, sorry, I missed that you were in windows.
[05:12] <Tremblay> Thanks.
[05:12] <cookiemnstr> :)
[05:13] <palandia> HrdweBoB: with vesa i got FATAL IO Error 104 any idea? anybody?
[05:13] <palandia> HrdweBoB: with vesa i got FATAL IO Error 104 any idea? anybody?
[05:13] <palandia> anyone has VIA/S3 Unichrome with hoary runnig up?
[05:13] <palandia> anyone has VIA/S3 Unichrome with hoary runnig up?
[05:13] <phixion> cafuego, i did what you suggested and it install some stuff, but still got the same error, in makefile it has the correct pathXREQS = /usr/local/lib/libtcl8.4.so' - any ideas? '
[05:13] <traveller> Madpilot: thanks, i'll give that a try
[05:13] <nickrud> cookiemnstr, first thing you want to do: discover if your modem is a 'winmodem'. If so, find out <exaclty> which one, and ask for help here again.
[05:13] <avanspronsen> Tremblay: you use the system accounts
[05:14] <avanspronsen> Tremblay: you will have at least one setup already on each machine
[05:14] <palandia> anyone has VIA/S3 Unichrome with hoary runnig up?
[05:15] <paulproteus> phixion: You don't need to compile eggdrop anymore.
[05:15] <phixion> oh
[05:15] <phixion> well, i did sudo apt-get install eggdrop
[05:15] <phixion> where does it put it? :)
[05:15] <paulproteus> /usr/bin/eggdrop is where that trash is, probably
[05:15] <phixion> ah ok thanks
[05:15] <phixion> i see u guys are fans of eggdrops
[05:15] <phixion> :E
[05:15] <nickrud> is ubotu an eggdrop?
[05:16] <cookiemnstr> my modem is a dsi d-f-v v90 di3635
[05:16] <crimsun> it's a modified blootblot.
[05:16] <cookiemnstr> nickrud
[05:16] <crimsun> blootbot.
[05:16] <cookiemnstr> my modem is a dsi d-f-v v90 di3635
[05:16] <nickrud> cookiemnstr, a sec, I'll see if there's some info on that one
[05:16] <cookiemnstr> ok
[05:16] <paulproteus> !blootbot
[05:17] <ubotu> rumour has it, blootbot is see ubotu.
[05:17] <paulproteus> !ubotu
[05:17] <ubotu> hmm... ubotu is uh... Thaaat's me! I'm a bot. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add".
[05:17] <paulproteus> !add
[05:17] <ubotu> hmm... add is To add an item to me, type "ubotu <keyword> is <description description description>", without the carets
[05:17] <Tribune> quit thanks s
[05:17] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, still around?
[05:17] <Goodspeed> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[05:17] <Goodspeed> wine: Conflicts: winesetuptk but 0.7-1.1 is to be installed
[05:17] <Goodspeed> how do i fix this??
[05:17] <palandia> !xserver
[05:17] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, xserver is to reconfigure your Xserver, type into a terminal "sudo dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg" (without the "")
[05:17] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: sorry, lunch
[05:17] <palandia> !via
[05:17] <ubotu> palandia: Are you smoking crack?
[05:18] <palandia> ajaja
[05:18] <palandia> !vesa
[05:18] <ubotu> palandia: I give up, what is it?
[05:18] <palandia> !vesa
[05:18] <palandia> !help
[05:18] <luminerd> Hmm...why would I get this if I'm in Kubuntu? Couldn't find package "ubuntu-desktop". However, the following
[05:18] <luminerd> packages contain "ubuntu-desktop" in their name: kubuntu-desktop
[05:18] <palandia> please somebody ehlp me
[05:18] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, ok, thanks
[05:19] <traveller> does firestarter stop the firewall when i exit it?
[05:19] <{linuxcraker] > palandia whats wrong?
[05:19] <crimsun> luminerd: do you have the main repository enabled?
[05:19] <palandia> asd
[05:19] <luminerd> crimsun, umm, universe/
[05:19] <luminerd> ?
[05:19] <crimsun> luminerd: no, main.
[05:19] <flowin> traveller, no.. firestarter is just the gui
[05:19] <avanspronsen> traveller: No it does not
[05:19] <{linuxcraker] > hm
[05:19] <luminerd> crimsun, how do I do so?
[05:20] <crimsun> luminerd: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:20] <palandia> {linuxcraker] : i have a VIA/S3 Unichrome graphics card and it doesnt works with X in hoary any idea?
[05:20] <cookiemnstr> find anything on my modem nickrud
[05:20] <{linuxcraker] > hold on.
[05:20] <Goodspeed> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[05:20] <Goodspeed> wine: Conflicts: winesetuptk but 0.7-1.1 is to be installed
[05:20] <Goodspeed> can anyone help me with this?
[05:20] <luminerd> crimsun, do what?
[05:20] <palandia> {linuxcraker] : i have kernel for amd64 i helps?
[05:20] <Tremblay> avanspronsen, thanks, it's working. Is there a way I can restrict the access to /home/ only..?
[05:21] <traveller> so iptables and the firestarter rules would still continue to run even if firestarter is not?
[05:21] <xNinja> hello
[05:21] <xNinja> why ubuntu not debian ?
[05:21] <crimsun> luminerd: open a konsole and type sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:21] <nickrud> cookiemnstr, all I find for that thing is garbage, I would hope you can find a cheap external :)\
[05:21] <cookiemnstr> lol
[05:21] <luminerd> crimsun, well I know that but edit it with what? sorry
[05:21] <avanspronsen> xNinja: regular release, great community, easy to use distro
[05:22] <yo2k> how i send a message to another user ?
[05:22] <shane> hey guys, whats my best bet for a program for setting up and burning dvds?
[05:22] <geppy> I've just installed Ubuntu Hoary onto a new hard drive, and my sound just isn't working. Rhythmbox plays, but nothing comes out. All relevant channels are unmuted, and I haven't had sound problems with this same onboard soundcard in the past.
[05:22] <cookiemnstr> finding a external modem here is very hard
[05:22] <{linuxcraker] > may not be compatible palandia.. are you sure the device driver is supported for linux?
[05:22] <nickrud> cookiemnstr, likewise, I had to compile a driver (first time in a couple of years) to use the winmodem I have now
[05:22] <yo2k> HrdwrBoB, how i send a message to another user ?
[05:22] <xNinja> avanspronsen much easier than debian ?
[05:23] <{linuxcraker] > ..
[05:23] <flowin> geppy, install gstreamer codecs
[05:23] <palandia> {linuxcraker] : got it?
[05:23] <luminerd> crimsun, so what do I add?
[05:23] <rob_p> traveller: Yes. All Firestarter does is load a bunch of packet filtering rules/policies into the kernel. Unless you specifically have it remove them, they will stay intact.
[05:24] <crimsun> luminerd: you need a line containing main
[05:24] <geppy> flowin: I couldn't even hear gstreamer-properties's test stream.
[05:24] <{linuxcraker] > don't know.. maybe somthing went wrong during your installation of horray
[05:24] <{linuxcraker] > horay*
[05:24] <{linuxcraker] > hoary*
[05:24] <flowin> geppy, hmm try installing beep-media-player
[05:24] <avanspronsen> xNinja: The easiest to work with distro I have used
[05:25] <xNinja> avanspronsen all debian packages works with ubuntu ?
[05:25] <Vubuntu> xNinja, I like ubuntu better then debian because ubuntu come set up for the desktop user. Alot is configured for you already. I had to configure my sound in debian. Ubuntu already had it working
[05:25] <xNinja> lets say debian for servers ubuntu for desktops ?
[05:25] <Vubuntu> xNinja, That sounds about right
[05:25] <xNinja> i see
[05:26] <PurpleMotion> raven??
[05:26] <traveller> rob_p: thanks
[05:26] <xNinja> like mandriva and redhat enterprise
[05:26] <{linuxcraker] > i have a problem with xmms, it keeps freezing anyone know why?
[05:26] <crimsun> {linuxcraker] : is the output plugin set to esound?
[05:26] <{linuxcraker] > i don't know ill look
[05:26] <xNinja> i use ubuntu also and i like it :)
[05:26] <Vubuntu> xNinja, yea close to it. I feel ubuntu has more flexibility though then mandriva and redhat
[05:27] <xNinja> yeah sure with the apt-get :)
[05:27] <{linuxcraker] > no it wasn't but now it is
[05:27] <{linuxcraker] > will that fix it?
[05:27] <crimsun> try it.
[05:27] <Vubuntu> xNinja, :)
[05:27] <{linuxcraker] > haha your my hero dude
[05:27] <{linuxcraker] > it worked
[05:27] <{linuxcraker] > thank you
[05:28] <SysFail> has anybody gotten squashfs put into ubuntu kernel???
[05:28] <{linuxcraker] > nope
[05:28] <xNinja> :)
[05:28] <Vubuntu> SysFail, what is it?
[05:28] <SysFail> need it to do a live-cd
[05:28] <SysFail> its a compression
[05:28] <SysFail> but it has to be built into the kernel it seems
[05:29] <rob_p> traveller: No problem. By the way, in case you are interested in a firewall alternative that is designed to automatically load at boot time, and is designed for Ubuntu, you can get it here: http://rob.pectol.com/content/view/27/1/
[05:29] <xNinja> Vubuntu the configuration files same as debian? i am thinking to buy a debian book
[05:29] <{linuxcraker] > sysfail, is your bios screwed up? i had a problem with the live and it was somthing screwy in the BIOS
[05:29] <SysFail> all I wanna do is make a live-cd bosed off my ubuntu install
[05:29] <SysFail> based
[05:29] <{linuxcraker] > oh nvm then
[05:30] <traveller> rob_p: i'll check it out
[05:30] <SysFail> i think they used morphix for the ubuntu live-cd
[05:30] <SysFail> so there has to be a way to do this
[05:30] <voyage34> question: how can I remove a package from apt-get's list of packages to grab when I apt-get install something. I have a package that keeps erroring out when I apt-get . I dont want it but not sure how to remove it
[05:30] <voyage34> tia btw
[05:30] <SysFail> ouch
[05:31] <Vubuntu> xNinja, for now I have found they are similar except for the Xserver base install for stable Debian.
[05:31] <xNinja> Vubuntu so u suggest to by the book no big differents?
[05:31] <rob_p> traveller: Let me know what you think. It's been through several revs now and I believe it to be a good firewall solution for Ubuntu.
[05:32] <traveller> rob_p: the page doesn't seem to be loading
[05:33] <xNinja> i am thinking about Debian GNU /Linux 3.1 Bible (Bible) any suggestions ?
[05:33] <rob_p> traveller: that's odd! let me double-check the URL...
[05:33] <Vubuntu> xNinja, well I have worked with Debian and Ubuntu but I haven't gotten really deep into debian. So I can't really give you a good answer on that question. I do think Ubuntu is going to be changing alot in the future.
[05:33] <xNinja> i see
[05:34] <traveller> rob_p: i think it's firestarter, i stopped it and the page loads
[05:34] <Vubuntu> xNinja, you might be able to get a book on debian for cheap though :)
[05:34] <rob_p> traveller: Ok... whew! I was worried for a minute :)
[05:34] <xNinja> :)
[05:34] <Doonz> hey is anyone familiar with the real magic hollywood plus card?
[05:34] <voyage34> question: how can I remove a package from apt-get's list of packages to grab when I apt-get install something. I have a package that keeps erroring out when I apt-get . I dont want it but not sure how to remove it
[05:35] <Doonz> it has a tv out im wondering if i hook it up will i see my monitor on my tv
[05:35] <traveller> rob_p: it's odd that firestarter would block it
[05:35] <xNinja> infact i want to buy a books collection aiming for hacking/ethic
[05:35] <shane> would anyone know a good program for burning and setting up dvds
[05:35] <Vubuntu> xNinja, like 5 or 10bucks used. So that way you won't be wasting you money if you find alot of different things about ubuntu.
[05:35] <rob_p> traveller: Yeah, that is odd!
[05:36] <traveller> rob_p: it seems that the block was triggered by a traceroute from the server
[05:36] <xNinja> i want to go for hacking/security to be good in hacking to be more good in security
[05:36] <SysFail> shane: k3b
[05:36] <rob_p> traveller: triggered by what?
[05:37] <traveller> rob_p: a traceroute, it is logged by firestarter in events
[05:37] <Vubuntu> Vubuntu, I"m mainly a desktop user. So i'm by no means an expert with Debian or Ubuntu. I have used Slackware,fedora, suse, mandriva also. So i'm no newbie eaither :)
[05:37] <Vubuntu> ack lol I mean xNinja
[05:37] <tha_gamemaster> ati + linux = headache?
[05:37] <palandia> {linuxcraker] : are you there?
[05:38] <^thehatsrule^> tha_gamemaster: yea thats right
[05:38] <rob_p> traveller: as in a traceroute being done from my server to you?
[05:38] <xNinja> i want to take Hacking Exposed 5th Edition, Gray Hat Hacking : The Ethical Hacker's Handbook Nessus, Snort, & Ethereal Power Tools : Customizing Open Source Security Applications/ Network Security Assessment / Network Security Hacks
[05:38] <traveller> rob_p: that's what it says on the log
[05:38] <{linuxcraker] > yes
[05:38] <xNinja> i want to be a hacking/security/analyzer expert :P
[05:38] <xabier> exit
[05:38] <tha_gamemaster> ^thehatsrule^, darn, i was hoping to use some ati cards for a PVR box, guess i'll buy the wintv with the hauppage chip
[05:38] <{linuxcraker] > sorry
[05:38] <Vubuntu> xNinja, good we need more :)
[05:38] <^thehatsrule^> tha_gamemaster: well uh, what card have you got now?
[05:39] <rob_p> traveller: I do have a Web-based traceroute utility on my website... but what are the chances... hrm...
[05:39] <tha_gamemaster> ^thehatsrule^, ati all in wonder radeon ...32MB and 64MB one's a 7000 something i think
[05:39] <xNinja> Vubuntu need more of what ? ethical hackers ?
[05:39] <^thehatsrule^> tha_gamemaster: thats not supported by official drivers, youll have to get your hands on 3rd party drivers
[05:40] <^thehatsrule^> tha_gamemaster: official supports radeons 8500+
[05:40] <Vubuntu> xNinja, sure :) The more the better to get out systems secure as possible
[05:40] <xNinja> :)
[05:40] <tha_gamemaster> ^thehatsrule^, ah these are too old then, thanks, *laughs* my brother is having a nightmare with his ati under winblows, and I enjoy my linux without error
[05:41] <^thehatsrule^> tha_gamemaster: hehe, you can buy 3d drivers if you need it... XiG i think it was
[05:41] <coldfile1162> can i use the ubuntu add-on cd with kubuntu?
[05:41] <tha_gamemaster> ^thehatsrule^, buy drivers you say? i'm confuzzled...
[05:42] <^thehatsrule^> tha_gamemaster: yea, theyre commercial
[05:42] <ZincX> how can i remove the ~ on my ident /
[05:42] <^thehatsrule^> tha_gamemaster: ati's just starting to give a little linux support for their new cards...
[05:42] <tha_gamemaster> ^thehatsrule^, is this the company you were talking about ? http://www.xig.com/Pages/Summit/HdweSupported/ChipINDEX.html
[05:43] <ZaphoidBB> I just installed Ubuntu "Horay Hedgehog" and I use a PS2 mouse. I just did a fresh install, but my mouse wont work! How can I fix this?
[05:43] <coldfile1162> CAN I USE THE UBUNTU ADD_ON CD ON KUBUNTU?
[05:43] <Vubuntu> xNinja, so what linux distros have you tried?
[05:43] <SysFail> couldnt hear you coldfile1162
[05:43] <SysFail> what?
[05:43] <Quest-Master> coldfile1162: turn off caps lock~
[05:43] <coldfile1162> oh sorry
[05:43] <^thehatsrule^> tha_gamemaster: yeah, xig :)
[05:43] <ZincX> how can i remove the ~ on my ident /
[05:44] <^thehatsrule^> tha_gamemaster: i know it should work, cause AA recommends it for linux
[05:44] <shammy> how can I determine what chipset my wireless networking adapter is?
[05:44] <xNinja> Vubuntu now i have debian as vhosting server running as main server and ubuntu at laptop and i am a RHCE but after taking it i left the rh :D
[05:44] <^thehatsrule^> shammy: look on the chip itself
[05:44] <tha_gamemaster> ^thehatsrule^, cool, thanks. I'm looking at all this hardware and just aching to do something linux with it, but not too many ideas.
[05:44] <coldfile1162> can someone tell me if i can use the ubuntu add-on cd on kubuntu?
[05:44] <^thehatsrule^> tha_gamemaster: yeah, heh... i had my hands on a radeon 7k too, but didnt bother to buy the drivers
[05:45] <tha_gamemaster> shammy, lspci
[05:45] <shammy> tha_gamemaster: in my case, lsusb, right?
[05:45] <shammy> since it's an adapter
[05:45] <balistic22> Hey i have a vaio taht i just did a floppy install to download debian (sarge) and i recently just got a hold of an external cd rom drive
[05:45] <palandia> does anyone has compiled the via driver for unichrome?
[05:45] <balistic22> and im trying to install ubuntu but i cant
[05:45] <Vubuntu> xNinja, good to hear :). Soon ubuntu will rule the world! :)
[05:45] <xNinja> Vubuntu i also tried freebsd but not alot
[05:45] <tha_gamemaster> shammy, you are quite correct
[05:46] <craig__> Hey
[05:46] <xNinja> Vubuntu u sure ?
[05:46] <tha_gamemaster> ^thehatsrule^, separate question, any suggestions how to set up linux to act as a port restricter between one computer and the network? i just want to allow like 4 ports to one machine
[05:46] <Vubuntu> xNinja, yea me too. I tried freebsd too but didn't more care for since you have to configure every little thing on it lol
[05:46] <tha_gamemaster> Vubuntu, i'm looking at OpenBSD
[05:46] <craig__> I have a problem with my network the xp system can see my ubuntu system but i can seem to see my own shared folder
[05:47] <^thehatsrule^> tha_gamemaster: like a linux router? try using some firewall, like iptables
[05:47] <craig__> Any ideas why this would be?
[05:47] <Vubuntu> tha_gamemaster, how is OpenBSD?
[05:47] <tha_gamemaster> ^thehatsrule^, yea just like a router, but EXTREMELY restrictive
[05:47] <^thehatsrule^> tha_gamemaster: yea you can just config it in the firewall
[05:47] <ZincX> how can i remove the ~ on my ident
[05:47] <tha_gamemaster> Vubuntu, apparently the most secure of all the BSDs, but i've yet to install it successfully *laughs*
[05:47] <ZincX> ??
[05:47] <xNinja> Vubuntu i dont know why i love the freebsd/devil :P but debian/ubuntu seems to told me no debian/ubuntu is here
[05:47] <ZincX> no one knows aen ?
[05:47] <tha_gamemaster> ^thehatsrule^, cool i've got to look at it...
[05:48] <craig__> It was working fine last night but does not seem to be working now
[05:48] <^thehatsrule^> :)
[05:48] <Vubuntu> tha_gamemaster, haha all I got to say is goooooooooooood luck. :)
[05:48] <^thehatsrule^> heh i hear freebsd is supposedly the best choice ;p
[05:48] <SysFail> nothing wrong with freebsd
[05:49] <SysFail> used it for 6 years
[05:49] <traveller> are there any other firewall frontends that will start at boot and provide a gui?
[05:49] <regeya> splits are fun
[05:49] <palandia> anyone can help me downloading the kernel source with apt?
[05:49] <palandia> please
[05:50] <Vubuntu> xNinja, well Freebsd is nice if you like full control in configuring everything. But in my experience it all leads to the same thing. A Working System LOL
[05:50] <regeya> traveller, when you say 'any other' what are we ruling out here
[05:50] <avanspronsen> pc-bsd looks promising, simple package management, install asks just a couple of questions
[05:50] <craig__> can anyone help how do i find my shared folder on my network i cant seem to see it anymore
[05:51] <Vubuntu> avanspronsen, yea i've tried pc-bsd too. It I think it will go far in the future! It's super user easy. I liked it
[05:51] <traveller> regeya: anything basically, i've tried firehol but it logs to /var/log/messages and messes up dmesg, shorewall is a bit too hard for me to configure
[05:51] <tha_gamemaster> palandia, sudo apt-get install linux-source
[05:51] <avanspronsen> Vubuntu: I dropped it fast though because they don;t yet do gnome
[05:51] <SysFail> regeya: you wanna use a dedicated linux box for this?
[05:52] <Vubuntu> avanspronsen, oh yea. I start having withdrawl symtoms when I don't got my gnome. And it's not pretty! :)
[05:52] <regeya> SysFail, tab-completion sucks sometimes, don't it?
[05:53] <SysFail> wasnt it you looking for the firewall thing?
[05:53] <xNinja> Vubuntu lol :)
[05:53] <avanspronsen> Vubuntu: me too :-)
[05:53] <xNinja> avanspronsen why gnome not kde /
[05:53] <hondje> Anyone use multisync?
[05:53] <ZaphoidBB> How do I go about installing Azereus on Ubuntu?
[05:53] <kestas> can anyone recommend a good wireless pcmcia card for my laptop which will work with ubuntu?
[05:53] <benplaut> !azureus
[05:53] <ubotu> benplaut: Are you smoking crack?
[05:53] <regeya> traveller, I've not used it with Ubuntu but I've used Firestarter on other Linux distributions. It's pretty simple. I can't vouch for it being ultra-safe but I had no problems.
[05:53] <benplaut> no, i'm not
[05:54] <tha_gamemaster> kestas, orinoco
[05:54] <ZaphoidBB> !azureus
[05:54] <kestas> k thanks
[05:54] <regeya> SysFail, I asked traveller a question about traveller's GUI firewall question.
[05:54] <benplaut> ZaphoidBB: www.ubuntuhuide.com
[05:54] <SysFail> ok
[05:54] <benplaut> woops
[05:54] <avanspronsen> xNinja: Kde just seems to be too much. HArd to explain, gnome is simple, responsive
[05:54] <SysFail> nm then
[05:54] <hondje> I like the rules firestarter makes, really well done I think
[05:54] <benplaut> ubuntuguide.org
[05:54] <traveller> regeya: hm...does firestarter load up on boot?
[05:55] <f_newton> yes traveller
[05:55] <regeya> avanspronsen, well said. I wish there were a happy medium between gnome's simplicity and kde's ultra-configurability...I remember when it was the other way around...lol
[05:55] <f_newton> its running from boot and if you call the gui you are only opening up a configuration window
[05:56] <thewarrior> hey i need help i installed teamspeak but idk how to get it to work
[05:56] <f_newton> regeya, and when was that ever the case?
[05:56] <nickrud> I hadn't looked at firestarter's rules for a while; they certainly are shorter :)
[05:56] <ZaphoidBB> I ran apt-get install azureus.. All it said was that it could not find package azureus
[05:56] <avanspronsen> regeya: it is hard to explain a personal preference to someone else :-)
[05:56] <regeya> f_newton, a few years ago.
[05:56] <thewarrior> hey i need help i installed teamspeak but idk how to get it to work
[05:56] <Vubuntu> xNinja, gnome gets the Job done. I feel like I got too much laying around with kde. It just seems that way
[05:57] <f_newton> uh ok whatever you say regeya
[05:57] <regeya> f_newton, if you have a specific objection to what I said just spit it out :-)
[05:57] <balistic22> how do i find out what my architecture is "Running debian"
[05:57] <thewarrior> hello?
[05:57] <regeya> f_newton, what was your opinion of kde 1.x vs. gnome at the time?
[05:57] <nickrud> regeya, 1.0.56, maybe :)
[05:57] <f_newton> I dont... everyone is welcome to their opinion but honestly kde has always been massive bloat since day one
[05:57] <kestas> I just got a new laptop and installed ubuntu on it but the problem is the synaptics mousepad is really unsensitive to tapping on it to make mouse clicks, is there any way of increasing the sensitivity
[05:57] <kestas> ?
[05:57] <black13> nomasteryoda?
[05:58] <balistic22> Omg..
[05:58] <f_newton> gnome has always been a lot easier to run even before kde 1
[05:58] <balistic22> i need some help
[05:58] <thewarrior> hey i need help i installed teamspeak but idk how to get it to work. what do i click on to get it to work i just installed ubuntu like 30 mins ago
[05:58] <windex> f_newton, i know. almost as bad as the kernel. who the heck needs ppc support anyway?
[05:58] <regeya> f_newton, that has little to do with my comment about role-reversal of the projects, but thanks for sharing
[05:58] <f_newton> Idontg
[05:58] <tha_gamemaster> kestas, any wireless card with the prismII chipset should work also
[05:58] <ZaphoidBB> I ran apt-get update.. Then an apt-get install azureus... But it is still saying package not found.
[05:59] <thewarrior> does anyone here use teamspeak?
[05:59] <kestas> tha_gamemaster, do you have a wireless system set up? can I pm you?
[05:59] <calc> gnome was pretty yuck until 2.0
[05:59] <f_newton> well the non rh version was thats true
[05:59] <xNinja> hey Vubuntu are you a live:)
[05:59] <thewarrior> Does Anyone use teamspeak i need help with it
[06:00] <f_newton> most distros used kde because it was an everything including the kitchen sink window manager
[06:00] <Vubuntu> xNinja, no i'm a dead :)
[06:00] <kestas> tha_gamemaster, do you know of a wireless set up which is cheap, can reach the whole house, and is linux compatible?
[06:00] <f_newton> kestas, netgear
[06:00] <tha_gamemaster> kestas, yea you can pm me
[06:00] <xNinja> Vubuntu ooh thats bad then who i gona hack when i be an expert :P
[06:00] <balistic22> Im running a debian kernel (sarge) and i was trying to install ubuntu off of debian because i didnt have a cd rom drive.. now i have an external cd rom drive and im having trouble booting ubuntu can i get some help
[06:00] <kestas> it doesnt have to be fast, have a firewall, or 1 billion config options
[06:00] <thewarrior> Hello can anyone see my writing
[06:01] <regeya> no, thewarrior, try retyping it
[06:01] <thewarrior> lol
[06:01] <avanspronsen> :-)
[06:01] <Vubuntu> xNinja, how about bill gates. :) #rm windows :)
[06:01] <thewarrior> does anyone here have teamspeak??
[06:02] <balistic22> hey i guess no one wants to help me
[06:02] <thewarrior> i installed the linux version but i cant get it to run
[06:02] <avanspronsen> thewarrior: sounds sound like it bud? Have you tried google?
[06:02] <f_newton> kestas you can get an entire package including wifi cards from netgear G for around 50 dollars sometimes as low as 30 dollars
[06:03] <avanspronsen> thewarrior: sorry, doesn't sound like it, have you tried google?
[06:03] <thewarrior> nope hey gocheck out www.justfuckinggoogle.com
[06:03] <xNinja> Vubuntu nice aiming :P
[06:03] <kestas> f_newton, is that with crappy range? Id like to be able to use wireless form the whole house
[06:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> can anyone here connect to austnets IRC servers?
[06:03] <Vubuntu> xNinja, :)
[06:03] <kestas> f_newton, could you give me the name to google?
[06:03] <balistic22> Which ubuntu cd should i use if its 'I686
[06:03] <f_newton> kestas unless you live in a house the size of bill gates shoppingmall sized house yes
[06:04] <f_newton> kestas NETGEAR
[06:04] <avanspronsen> balistic22: there is only 1 CD
[06:04] <kestas> f_newton, k :) netgear it is
[06:04] <balistic22> hteres other cds depending on architecture
[06:04] <balistic22> Ok right now on my other lap top
[06:04] <f_newton> kestas, there are other brands out there too but make sure they are linux compatible before you buy them
[06:04] <balistic22> i see Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 debian22 tty1
[06:05] <balistic22> IM trying to access the cd rom for install
[06:05] <balistic22> WHat DO I DO
[06:05] <f_newton> netgear is usually the least expensive of the major brands
[06:05] <avanspronsen> balistic22: you can update the kernel afterwards via apt-get
[06:05] <balistic22> avanspronsen how
[06:05] <kestas> f_newton, how do you tell if a netgear is linux compatible?
[06:05] <f_newton> most netgear cards use the intersil prism2 driver
[06:05] <balistic22> avanspronsen how do i get to apt... and for some reason i installed gnome but there were some errors with the screen
[06:06] <f_newton> while some super g cards etc use the 2.5 and may not be out of the box compatible ndiswrapper takes care of it
[06:06] <ZaphoidBB> I just did a fresh install of Ubuntu. And when I try to apt-get install sun-j2rel.5 as per http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre it says E: Couldn't find package sun-j2rel.5
[06:06] <hondje> anyone using multisync?
[06:06] <avanspronsen> sudp apt-get install kernel-image-686 from a terminal
[06:06] <Burgundavia> ZaphoidBB, better guide at wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[06:07] <nickrud> cookiemnstr, you still around? I got called away by work, didn't get a chance to finish your modem question
[06:07] <f_newton> kestas, My suggestion is to shop around, do some reading, and check the compatibility site
[06:07] <avanspronsen> balistic22: you can also go to System -> Administration -> synaptic package manager for a gui
[06:08] <balistic22> i dont have a gui
[06:08] <balistic22> and it just told me
[06:08] <f_newton> balistic22, you running sarge?
[06:08] <ZaphoidBB> Heh, using the guide at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java I ran the command apt-get install sun-j2re1.5 and it still says "Couldn`t find package"
[06:09] <avanspronsen> ZaphoidBB: did you install the additional repositories?
[06:09] <ZaphoidBB> I just saw that, and I am an idiot for not reading 100%. I apologise.
[06:09] <shammy> normally when i put a disc in the drive, it auto mounts it and puts an icon on the desktop, but now it isnt recognizing it at all, i need the kernel headers to get my wifi going so i need the install disc
[06:09] <avanspronsen> ZaphoidBB: NP :-)
[06:10] <Burgundavia> ZaphoidBB, the page was badly done, I have redone it
[06:11] <ZaphoidBB> Universe and Multiverse.. I love the obscure refrence there :)
[06:11] <nickrud> !components
[06:11] <balistic22> f_newton yes i am running sarge
[06:11] <ubotu> methinks components is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[06:12] <f_newton> I guessed that from your no gui statement yep you dont have one
[06:13] <jrattner1> Is unbuntu good for laptops
[06:14] <avanspronsen> jrattner1: It works great on my Thinkpad t41P
[06:14] <TeeagooColony2> what is more fast KDE or GNOME? ( my pc is a k6 500, 256 ram... )
[06:14] <Adrenline> im also using it on a t41
[06:14] <ratl3> xfce
[06:14] <f_newton> jrattner1, I think so ... its been good on mine so far
[06:14] <Adrenline> works great
[06:14] <jrattner1> even with new hardware
[06:14] <jrattner1> I cant get anything to go to well on my machine
[06:14] <avanspronsen> jrattner1: my T41p is about a year old
[06:15] <avanspronsen> jrattner1: using a docking station is another matter though :-)
[06:15] <balistic22> I cant access m yfuckin cd rom drive
[06:15] <balistic22> sorry for language
[06:15] <PurpleMotion> calm down
[06:15] <PurpleMotion> how are you trying to access it?
[06:15] <kestas> f_newton, http://www.netgear.com/products/details/WG511.php seems cheap and good, but it doesnt say linux is supported
[06:15] <kestas> how can I tell?
[06:16] <Xenguy> eeeez gun balistik mate !
[06:16] <f_newton> look up what driver it has... you can do that by checking driver.com against the model # of the card
[06:16] <Adrenline> anyone know how I find the name of a package im looking for? example: I need to install the samba libs. dont know the name to pop into apt to do such.
[06:16] <PurpleMotion> benplaut: got my new video card today, m8
[06:16] <balistic22> howdo i whipe out everything on my hardrive and start from scratch
[06:17] <f_newton> balistic22, do you have an ubuntu cd?
[06:17] <avanspronsen> Adrenline: you can do a sudo apt-cache search <text> to help narrow down the possibilities
[06:17] <deprave> just put the cd in your cdrom, set cd bootable, reinstall
[06:17] <balistic22> f_newton yes i do
[06:17] <balistic22> deprave i cant my comp wont recognize the thing.. it says it sees the usb external cd rom drive but it wont boot from it
[06:17] <PurpleMotion> balistic22: reinstall ubuntu and tell the installer to erase the disk
[06:17] <shammy> Why won;t it recognize the drive and put an icon on the desktop anymore when i put a cd in? I need to get the kernel headers but can't without the install cd
[06:17] <nickrud> balistic22, boot the hoary install, and tell the installer to use the whole dis
[06:17] <nickrud> k
[06:18] <ZaphoidBB> One last question. can ubuntu cure the common cold? If it can, what is the package name in apt?
[06:18] <deprave> balistic22: interesting
[06:18] <balistic22> the computer cannot load the cd up
[06:18] <balistic22> its an external cd rom drive i dunno what to do
[06:18] <avanspronsen> shammy: have you removed the CD entry from /etc/apt/sources.list?
[06:18] <deprave> balistic22 : shake your fist at it and say "lookie here mr, take it and love it!"
[06:18] <deprave> but really.
[06:18] <benplaut> grr... bored2k, come online
[06:18] <deprave> hmm
[06:18] <PurpleMotion> balistic22: does your bios have an option to boot from usb?
[06:18] <balistic22> lol
[06:18] <shammy> avanspronsen: nope, this is a fresh install and i've done nothing but reconfigure x
[06:19] <balistic22> PurpleMotion no it doesnt
[06:19] <avanspronsen> shammy: if you remove the cd entry you will force apt to go to the online repositories
[06:19] <Adrenline> anyone here had trouble compiling mplayer with smb support?
[06:19] <balistic22> i dunno what to do
[06:20] <shammy> avanspronsen: I need the kernel headers so i can install ndiswrapper and get my internet working, so i can't get the online repositories
[06:20] <avanspronsen> shammy: gotcha
[06:20] <deprave> balistic22 : unfortunately i don't know the solution to your problem.
[06:21] <shammy> avanspronsen: what is the cdrom's name so i can mount it manually?
[06:21] <Lancellor> how do i do to change a video card giv me and error when is booting
[06:21] <balistic22> ugh...
[06:22] <Adrenline> anyone on the mplayer/smb thing?
[06:22] <BeatYou> am i lagging or something?
[06:22] <deprave> how did you get it on there the first time?
[06:22] <f_newton> ballistic your cd rom drive will free itself on reboot if absolutely necessary but do you know the cli for operating it?
[06:23] <skalpel> is there a way to make rhthymbox scan for new music on start/
[06:23] <skalpel> ?
[06:23] <nickrud> probably, I've been lagging a bit now and then
[06:23] <BeatYou> strange
[06:23] <avanspronsen> shammy: depends, how many hard drives?
[06:23] <balistic22> whats cli f_newton
[06:23] <nickrud> as if the net always works :)
[06:23] <calc> cli == command line interface
[06:23] <f_newton> command line interface
[06:24] <shammy> avanspronsen: 2 hardrives, one cdrom/dvd drive
[06:24] <crispynix-v6> oi
[06:24] <avanspronsen> shammy: /dev//hdc
[06:24] <clinton> when i type aptitude install libwcgtk2.4 it does nothing!
[06:24] <clinton> but when i search for it
[06:24] <shammy> avanspronsen: ok thanks
[06:24] <clinton> it shows up
[06:24] <clinton> (and i don't already have it :()
[06:24] <avanspronsen> shammy: give it a try, let me know
[06:24] <balistic22> how do i find out the cli
[06:25] <clinton> erm
[06:25] <clinton> libwxgtk2.4
[06:25] <balistic22> cant i just whipe out the whole efin hard drive and start from scratch
[06:25] <shammy> avanspronsen: one more thing, suppose it gets mounted correctly, how can i specify the cd is in that dir to get the headers?
[06:26] <f_newton> balistic22, what is your goal?
[06:26] <calc> balistic22: yea it asks you if you want to erase the whole drive and install to it
[06:26] <avanspronsen> shammy: just do your apt-get install, it should find it if it is mounted
[06:26] <balistic22> f_newton i want to install ubuntu on this mini laptop
[06:26] <clinton> how do i install libwxgtk2.4 for audacity :(
[06:26] <shammy> avanspronsen: thanks alot
[06:27] <f_newton> do you have a web browser loaded or do you have the cdrom for ubuntu?
[06:27] <balistic22> I have a cd rom for ubuntu
[06:27] <balistic22> i ordered like 50 million
[06:27] <avanspronsen> shammy: np, I am just learning this stuff too, hopefully I got you going in the right direction :-)
[06:27] <f_newton> ok balistic22 reset the machine and when the bios is reloading open up your cdrom drive and insert the ubuntu disk
[06:28] <f_newton> it will be unlocked at that time
[06:28] <SteveB_> how do i get ubuntu to use the appropriate sound card since i have two?
[06:28] <f_newton> then reset and follow instructions
[06:28] <balistic22> F_newton ok let me try that
[06:28] <f_newton> ok
[06:28] <balistic22> f_newton you know this is an external cd rom drive right
[06:28] <balistic22> plugged in through usb
[06:29] <Lancellor> anyone how to change a video card get a error when booting
[06:29] <clinton> does anyone know a good recording program?
[06:29] <clinton> alternative to audacity??
[06:29] <f_newton> no I didnt
[06:29] <f_newton> hang on a second then
[06:29] <balistic22> f_newton yeah its a plextor dvdr drive
[06:29] <balistic22> f_newton ok
[06:29] <f_newton> thats y you cant find your cdrom drive then
[06:30] <f_newton> balistic22, in your bios dont you have a boot from usb device option?
[06:30] <Lancellor> http://www.metadecks.org/software/sweep/ try this
[06:30] <f_newton> give me the make n model of your lappy
[06:30] <balistic22> SOny VAio Pcg-c1xs
[06:30] <f_newton> ah the vaio
[06:30] <clinton> thanks lancellor
[06:30] <Lancellor> the audio software http://www.metadecks.org/software/sweep/
[06:30] <balistic22> came with an external floppy
[06:30] <balistic22> is all
[06:31] <f_newton> a lot of money for a very little bit of hardware
[06:31] <balistic22> i got it free
[06:31] <f_newton> ok.... well it does have a boot on usb option in the bios
[06:31] <f_newton> unless its an old old one
[06:31] <f_newton> well free is a great price
[06:31] <balistic22> well it came with win 98
[06:31] <SteveB__> how do i get ubuntu to use the appropriate sound card since i have two?
[06:31] <f_newton> hmmm
[06:31] <shammy> avanspronsen: i just tryed mounting the cdrom drive, it's spinning and the terminal is at a blank line, like something is happening..but it's still going, how long would it take?
[06:32] <f_newton> balistic22, let me check the stats on that model...brb
[06:32] <balistic22> f_newton ok i really appreciate you helping me out
[06:32] <f_newton> been there balistic22 been there.
[06:32] <avanspronsen> shammy: shouldn't take long at all
[06:33] <Xenguy> shammy: Ctrl-C ?
[06:33] <shammy> Xenguy: what does that do? the comp is upstairs
[06:33] <Xenguy> shammy: returns a hung session to a command prompt
[06:34] <balistic22> lol
[06:34] <shammy> ok thanks
[06:34] <Xenguy> yw
[06:34] <avanspronsen> shammy: If you type mount in a terminal windows you don't see a line with /media/cdrom?
[06:35] <shammy> avanspronsen: i need to go do ctr c like xenguy said, but last time i looked it was still processing something
[06:35] <avanspronsen> shammy: ok, sounds good
[06:36] <SteveB__> how do i get ubuntu to use the appropriate sound card since i have two?
[06:36] <balistic22> random question.. i forgot what was my root login name.. how do i find out what names are in the sudoer file
[06:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> balistic22: only root can read the sudoers file
[06:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> live cd time ;)
[06:37] <balistic22> well i forgot the root sn
[06:37] <Brunellus> is only the first user added to sudoers by default
[06:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> balistic22: did you create one? try using sudo
[06:37] <Mobus> How do I cd into a folder whose name has a space in it?
[06:37] <Brunellus> or is every subsequent user added, too?
[06:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> Brunellus: yes
[06:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> just first
[06:37] <Brunellus> awesome.
[06:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> Mobus: using "\ "
[06:37] <balistic22> nvm
[06:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> the \ is to escape the space
[06:38] <Xenguy> Mobus: escape the space with a '\' character
[06:38] <Mobus> so it'd be #: cd folder\name?
[06:38] <nickrud> Brunellus, if you want some to have sudo privs, add them to th admin group
[06:38] <f_newton> balistic22, ok ... this is a pII 400mhz machine with only 64 megs of ram and a 2 gig hdd you dont need to be setting up any linux gui enabled os on it
[06:38] <f_newton> there isnt enough room
[06:38] <f_newton> or memory speed
[06:38] <Brunellus> no, I don't want them to have sudo privs...no way.
[06:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> Mobus: folder\ name
[06:38] <Mobus> ah thanks
[06:38] <nickrud> lol. Brunellus good choice :)
[06:38] <Brunellus> I shudder to think what my mother could do with sudo privs!
[06:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> f_newton: more RAM and it would be fine
[06:39] <balistic22> f_newton i dont understand
[06:39] <f_newton> Kamping_Kaiser, more ram and more hdd space
[06:39] <Brunellus> not like she knows how to do anything...but all those GUIs are so tempting, and so easy to break by messing with them inadvertently
[06:39] <Brunellus> hell, I know from bitter personal experience!
[06:39] <Mobus> thanks bunches
[06:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> f_newton: 2 gig is fine
[06:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> for Ubuntu
[06:39] <nickrud> gdm root privs, by any chance Brunellus ?
[06:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> Mobus: all good
[06:39] <f_newton> balistic22, u dont have the system resources to run a linux gui you barely have the resourcese to run win98
[06:40] <Brunellus> say again nickrud?
[06:40] <f_newton> not for a gui install it isnt
[06:40] <balistic22> so what do i do... ? Throw the laptop out the window
[06:40] <Brunellus> f_newton: false
[06:40] <liraz> Does anyone know of a program similar to kalarm for gnome(since trying to download kalarm forces me to basically download all kde libs). I want it mainly for the timed reminders...
[06:40] <Brunellus> you can run a linux GUI with very limited resources
[06:40] <Brunellus> it just requires very careful package selection
[06:40] <Brunellus> you can't run GNOME, for sure
[06:41] <Brunellus> but IceWM or Fluxbox or Openbox, sure
[06:41] <f_newton> ok fine... what w/m then?
[06:41] <Xenguy> liraz: just d/l the KDE lib's :-)
[06:41] <Brunellus> I'd go with flux
[06:41] <f_newton> we are only talking 2g hdd...
[06:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> liraz: try using evolution
[06:41] <nickrud> fluxbox, if I can't use gnome
[06:41] <Brunellus> f_newton: have you started looking into DamnSmallLinux?
[06:41] <f_newton> yeah or xfce
[06:41] <Brunellus> the whole distro is 50 MB
[06:42] <nickrud> no, fluxbox, for me ; P
[06:42] <f_newton> Ive got a linux install on a floppy drive
[06:42] <balistic22> f_newton what should i do
[06:42] <Brunellus> right. this isn't a 'how small can you make your distro' contest...
[06:42] <f_newton> but its not gonna be what a n00b is expecting at all
[06:42] <f_newton> he cant run sarge
[06:42] <nickrud> it's what works, and where it works
[06:42] <Brunellus> if the choice is between the computer that works
[06:42] <Brunellus> and the computer that doesn't
[06:42] <f_newton> right
[06:42] <liraz> Kamping_Kaiser, does it have timed reminders which pop up on my screen without running the whole e-mail client?
[06:43] <ColonelKernel> sarge is ok, I dont like the whole xfree86/gnome2.8 thing
[06:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> liraz: i believe so, but i don't use it
[06:43] <Brunellus> I'd teach him to use the computer that works. and I'd either go with DSL or with ubuntu as configured in the lowmem wikipage
[06:43] <Brunellus> (and the associated forum howto)
[06:43] <SteveB__> how do i get ubuntu to use the appropriate sound card since i have two?
[06:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> SteveB__: i cant help, sorry
[06:44] <f_newton> balistic22, If it was me, but honestly if these fine folks have a better solution for you it wont hurt to listen, but if it was me I would try to get bigger memory and a bigger hdd first then read the data on google results from linux on your laptop
[06:44] <balistic22> Brunellus f_newton What do you guys think i should do.. i mean i have more then 2gb hardrive this thing has more space then that
[06:44] <Brunellus> how much RAM have you got?
[06:44] <f_newton> who changed your drive balistic22 ?
[06:44] <Brunellus> if you have around 128 MB, I'd go with XFCE
[06:45] <Brunellus> but you'd also need to find a way to automout removeable storage...which shouldn't be that bad
[06:45] <balistic22> f_newton this laptop belonged to my cousin and when he had win 98 the thing said 10 gb of space
[06:45] <f_newton> the web site said you have a 64mb ram 2gig hdd
[06:45] <balistic22> actually 13
[06:45] <b0xen> Hey, anybody have any idea what the default root password on the Ubuntu Live CD is?
[06:45] <Brunellus> b0xen, there is none....
[06:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> b0xen: there isnt one afaik
[06:45] <f_newton> balistic if you have that much load ubuntu
[06:45] <Brunellus> sudo 'ubuntu'
[06:45] <SteveB__> how do i get ubuntu to use the appropriate sound card since i have two?
[06:45] <b0xen> it wont let me su into root
[06:45] <balistic22> f_newton how do i load the effin cd
[06:45] <b0xen> blank password doesnt work either
[06:45] <nickrud> f_newton, I'm lagging, but the 'mem & disk' is fine advice
[06:45] <luminerd> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=350118
[06:45] <fr500> b0xen, sudo su?
[06:46] <b0xen> sudu: command not found
[06:46] <Brunellus> f_newton: I'd add one caveat--a full-bore Ubuntu install is going to be dog-slow
[06:46] <f_newton> yeah I know Brunellus he isnt going to be happy
[06:46] <avanspronsen> b0xen: sudo
[06:46] <fr500> b0xen, sudo
[06:46] <Brunellus> f_newton: I'd go with xfce or flux
[06:46] <f_newton> its only a 400mhz p2
[06:46] <b0xen> sudu: command not found
[06:46] <f_newton> sudo
[06:46] <Brunellus> f_newton: that's plenty for flux
[06:47] <Kaiser_essen> f_newton: i have run Ubuntu on pentium 200s with 96 MB of RAM
[06:47] <b0xen> ooooh
[06:47] <b0xen> lol
[06:47] <balistic22> im using it just to hold on to music
[06:47] <Kaiser_essen> "just a 400" doesnt stand up ;)
[06:47] <balistic22> thats all im doing
[06:47] <b0xen> thanks lol
[06:47] <Brunellus> Kaiser_essen: did you run GNOME?!
[06:47] <b0xen> i feel dumb
[06:47] <balistic22> and at least run aim
[06:47] <balistic22> what should i do
[06:47] <Kaiser_essen> my parents box is a 400 with 128 MB of RAM
[06:47] <Kaiser_essen> Brunellus: yes
[06:47] <Brunellus> Gott im Himmel.
[06:47] <f_newton> well heck first check your bios to see if you can boot from usb device
[06:47] <f_newton> if you can set it to that
[06:47] <SteveB__> how do i get ubuntu to use the appropriate sound card since i have two?
[06:48] <f_newton> then stick the cdrom in the sucka and hit enter
[06:48] <Kaiser_essen> *I'm gone*
[06:48] <Brunellus> I'd have gone with flux with that little RAM. you were pretty brave to stay with GNOME
[06:48] <Kaiser_essen> :)
[06:48] <balistic22> f_newton i would of tried that by now... the only 3 options cd rom drive , hardrive , and floppy
[06:48] <balistic22> when i try cd rom drive it dont do jack
[06:49] <f_newton> do you have a ?
[06:49] <balistic22> what do you mean f_newton
[06:49] <f_newton> do you have the floppy driver disk for your usb device?
[06:49] <Brunellus> bah.
[06:50] <f_newton> install that at boot if it has command.com on it with the ubuntu disk in the cdrom drive
[06:50] <fr500> how would you do a net install if the bios doesnt support pxe?
[06:50] <balistic22> f_newton yes i do have the floppy
[06:50] <shammy> I installed the kernel headers with synaptic, but where does it install them? I need the path
[06:51] <f_newton> I am thinking rooburger right about now...
[06:51] <f_newton> so I may be signing off for a quick trip to jack in the box
[06:51] <f_newton> ...
[06:51] <shammy> is it /usr/src/linux?
[06:51] <balistic22> f_newton is there a way i can get an ubuntu boot disk that willl recognize the cd rom drive
[06:51] <f_newton> hunger is devasting stuff
[06:52] <f_newton> balistic22, only if you can get the bios to recognize your cdrom drive and since you dont have the drive you are going to have to boot the driver for the device from the floppy
[06:52] <f_newton> unless you dont have a floppy either
[06:52] <Doonz> whats the command to see how much ram i have?
[06:52] <f_newton> balistic22, you need to go online and find the right stuff for your laptop and get it... try ebay
[06:53] <balistic22> f_newton im gonna just put xp on it
[06:53] <f_newton> being vaio it may cost ya som bux
[06:53] <f_newton> xp is goint to take 1.25 gig just for the os alone
[06:53] <balistic22> im also thinking of buying a laptop for when i go away to college
[06:53] <balistic22> what should i do
[06:53] <f_newton> and it may not load with only 64meg of ram
[06:53] <balistic22> or buy
[06:54] <fr500> balistic22, do you have broadband access to internet?
[06:54] <balistic22> yes
[06:54] <fr500> balistic22, and the issue is?
[06:54] <fr500> what is not working i mean
[06:54] <balistic22> what issue?
[06:54] <f_newton> fr500 if you can get him to use sarge's cli browser to net install you are one patient fella
[06:54] <fr500> i thought you had a problem
[06:54] <balistic22> fr500 i do have ap roblem
[06:55] <fr500> f_newton, why not ubuntu pxe boot?
[06:55] <balistic22> Fr500 what fnewton said
[06:55] <fr500> balistic22, all you want to do is install ubuntu?
[06:55] <balistic22> yeah i guess
[06:55] <balistic22> but i dont have a cd rom drive
[06:55] <f_newton> I will be back in about 15 minutes.... burger run !
[06:55] <balistic22> k thanks f_newton
[06:55] <f_newton> yer welcome
[06:55] <fr500> balistic22, do you have another pc?
[06:55] <f_newton> lol
[06:55] <balistic22> fr500 yes i do
[06:55] <balistic22> im on it right now
[06:55] <fr500> with.......say xp
[06:56] <balistic22> yess'
[06:56] <fr500> ok
[06:56] <fr500> let me find the link for you
[06:56] <fr500> it's real easy
[06:56] <balistic22> im talking to you from a thinkpad t22 with windows xp
[06:56] <balistic22> the issue is im trying to install ubuntu on a sony vaio pcg c1xs
[06:56] <seife`> yo
[06:57] <balistic22> its a shitty little comp
[06:57] <LinuxDolt> ok... how do i make it so also doesn't load certain sound modules?
[06:57] <balistic22> but im trying to fix it
[06:57] <LinuxDolt> *alsa
[06:58] <fr500> balistic22, it's cool
[06:58] <conciselinux> ubuntu does not detect the modem
[06:58] <fr500> give me a sec
[06:58] <balistic22> kk
[06:58] <conciselinux> d link modem
[06:58] <isai> how to interchange the functions between two keys. I have laptop and want to change the function between the CTRL and FN keys.
[06:59] <LinuxDolt> anyone know where the config files for alsa are located in this distro?
[06:59] <fr500> balistic22, this is all you need
[06:59] <fr500> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/WindowsServerNetboot?highlight=%28windows%29
[06:59] <balistic22> ok let me look at it
[07:01] <Brunellus> ok stupid xchat question
[07:01] <Brunellus> how on earth do I make xchat display whatever I enter in a more legible colour than grey?
[07:02] <LinuxDolt> Brunellus: I know, the new defaults are nasty.
[07:02] <jianshi> i think it's /etc/also
[07:02] <Brunellus> LinuxDolt. yeah, it's a pain in the arse
[07:02] <jianshi> - /etc/alsa
[07:03] <Brunellus> Do you know how to get it back to how it used to be?
[07:03] <bingobango> anyone using dual monitors? i tried running the fglrxconfig utility, but i just end up with the same content on both screens. :(
[07:03] <LinuxDolt> Brunellus: unfortunately, you can't, unless you can remember the exact color scheme they used
[07:03] <seife> yo
[07:03] <seife> whats the link
[07:03] <seife> of "what windows users want"
[07:03] <fr500> balistic22, you may need http://ovh.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/etherboot/etherboot-5.4.0.tar.gz to boot if your bios does not support pxe
[07:04] <Brunellus> LinuxDolt: all I want to know is what color it sets for messages I type
[07:04] <Brunellus> it isn't fg, it isn't bg
[07:04] <nickrud> Brunellus, LinuxDot, yes, I had it once where I was red :)
[07:04] <LinuxDolt> Brunellus: you can, however, change the color scheme to what you want via Settings/Preferences/Colors
[07:04] <Brunellus> yes, I've been messing around with that
[07:04] <Brunellus> but what number does it assign to your own messages?
[07:04] <seife> IS ANYONE HELPING ME, THX.
[07:05] <Brunellus> seife: the FindPage link on the Wiki is your friend
[07:05] <Brunellus> or indeed google. "what windows users want ubuntu"
[07:05] <nickrud> seife, what was your question?
[07:05] <seife> one guy
[07:05] <LinuxDolt> Brunellus: it's either 14/30, something like that
[07:05] <Brunellus> awesome.
[07:05] <seife> posted a link that have all the programs that ubuntu uses
[07:05] <nickrud> not saying I have the aswer, just listening :)
[07:05] <seife> the title was something like what windows users want
[07:05] <Brunellus> test
[07:05] <fr500> balistic22, g2g, hope you succeed, otherwise look at netboot at the ubuntu wiki
[07:06] <Brunellus> I think I've got it
[07:06] <Brunellus> noah, darn.
[07:06] <LinuxDolt> whoever told me to check in /etc/alsa for my problem, it ain't there.
[07:06] <nickrud> eh
[07:06] <LinuxDolt> i already checked that before coming in here to ask about it :D
[07:06] <Brunellus> test
[07:06] <Brunellus> yes.
[07:07] <LinuxDolt> Brunellus: glad i could help
[07:07] <Brunellus> yaaaay.
[07:08] <Brunellus> is there a manpage somewhere that tells me where all these colorbindings are?
[07:08] <cryptomatt> i have a couple of problems with my ubuntu install.. i am running hoary... whenever i do directory renames from within nautilus or deletes.. it crashes.. the percentage of this happening is as high as 25%...
[07:08] <cryptomatt> the second problem is that my desktop doesnt refresh if i copy files on to it, unless i explicitly execute a refresh
[07:08] <cryptomatt> any suggestions??
[07:08] <nickrud> Brunellus, it's in xchat's settings->preferences->interface-colors. I did that once.
[07:08] <conciselinux> when is the next ver going to get released ????
[07:09] <deFrysk> oct afaIk
[07:09] <Brunellus> nickrud: that shows me a table of colors with numbers
[07:09] <LinuxDolt> does ANYONE have any idea on how to help me?
[07:09] <Brunellus> I was hoping I'd learn what the numbers matched up to
[07:09] <LinuxDolt> Brunellus: i did it via guess and check...
[07:10] <xmen90s> hey ive done a little bit of searching but i cant seem to find the solution to my problem ... i cant connect to the internet with ubuntu 64bit ( ive tried several solutions ive found on the net, but none work )
[07:10] <xmen90s> does anyone know where i can get some resources on this?
[07:10] <nickrud> pick and test. best adivce: look at the 4 grey colors. I don't remember the exact match, but those matter
[07:10] <deFrysk> Brunellus, /j #xchat
[07:12] <Tzi> Hi =)
[07:12] <Tzi> You're right - Breezy's X is still broken :P
[07:12] <Tzi> That'll teach me
[07:13] <yo2k> hi guys...
[07:13] <ofer0> holla :P
[07:14] <yo2k> i want to setup 2nd eth, how i can do that...
[07:14] <shane> hey guys, what would be my best bet for a dvd building and burning program???
[07:14] <conciselinux> HOW MUCH DOES UBUNTU CD COSTS ???
[07:14] <LinuxDolt> Brunellus: ehh... i'm thinking i'm going right back to gentoo after this. it's the most unstable distro available, but at least i know how it works
[07:14] <shane> conciselinux, i think they ship them for free.....
[07:14] <Brunellus> Go with what you know, I guess, LinuxDolt
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> LinuxDolt, having sound issues?
[07:14] <Brunellus> I love ubuntu...to bits.
[07:15] <shane> yea it seems pretty nice
[07:15] <Brunellus> although I'm looking into gentoo as a project system
[07:15] <LinuxDolt> Dr_Willis: aye. ubuntu wants to use my onboard, but i want to use my SB Live!
[07:15] <pestilence> Brunellus: don't waste your time
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> LinuxDolt, cant disable it in the bios eh? I seem to see this kind of problem quite often mentioned.
[07:15] <Brunellus> pestilence, why
[07:15] <deFrysk> LinuxDolt, turn off your audio in bios to make it work
[07:16] <pestilence> LinuxDolt: how about blacklisting the module for your onboard soundcard
[07:16] <yo2k> i want to setup 2nd nic, how i can do that...
[07:16] <Brunellus> I mean, I like ubuntu....but I'm always interested in what else is going on.
[07:16] <conciselinux> edubuntu ????
[07:16] <pestilence> Brunellus: there's no advantage over ubuntu
[07:16] <conciselinux> can i order it ?
[07:16] <ofer0> gentoo is not for daily use.
[07:16] <LinuxDolt> pestilence: i've thought of that, but i can't seem to find the module definitions
[07:16] <deFrysk> ofer0, yes it is
[07:16] <pestilence> LinuxDolt: /etc/hotplug.d?
[07:16] <Brunellus> still interested in finding out.
[07:16] <ofer0> deFrysk, only for long-term installtions
[07:16] <LinuxDolt> ahhh. see, i've never used hotplug before
[07:17] <pestilence> LinuxDolt: oops, /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[07:17] <LinuxDolt> pestilence: let's see if this works then
[07:17] <ofer0> using gentoo is a good idea only if you plan to use the same distro for 5 years
[07:17] <deFrysk> ofer0, what does that have to do with dayly use ?
[07:17] <ofer0> deFrysk, COMPILING
[07:17] <Brunellus> the long compile times turn me off....
[07:18] <Brunellus> but I'm just interested in seeing what all the fuss is about
[07:18] <pestilence> Brunellus: i'd be more inclined to experiment with a BSD than gentoo
[07:18] <LinuxDolt> get a good fast computer and give it a decent overclock. compile times no longer mean anything :D
[07:18] <pestilence> LinuxDolt: yea right. you must have some *really* powerful machines.
[07:18] <LinuxDolt> get a few fast computers and then use distcc
[07:18] <ofer0> well, you only need to compile these tools: gcc, kernel, package manager, and heavy apps
[07:19] <pestilence> LinuxDolt: you shouldn't need a cluster to run a desktop
[07:19] <ofer0> and i forgot - gnome
[07:19] <ofer0> why to compile x-chat for example?
[07:19] <ofer0> why to compile mplayer, firefox, etc..
[07:20] <LinuxDolt> i should be able to choose exactly what goes into my system from the very beginning too. udev and hotplug are not mature enough for me to want to be using them yet
[07:20] <luminerd> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=350118
[07:20] <luminerd> Please ?
[07:20] <sam> hi
[07:20] <sam> im new to ubuntu
[07:20] <pestilence> LinuxDolt: synaptic doesn't give you that freedom?
[07:20] <ofer0> LinuxDolt, you can do all the things you do in gentoo, in ubuntu. (without those annoying use flags ofcourse)
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> heh
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> hello sam
[07:21] <ofer0> sam has quit..
[07:21] <deFrysk> so much nonsense about gentoo i havent heard in a long time
[07:21] <kestas> does ubuntu use NX memory?
[07:22] <kestas> that is, does it use the extra security provided by NX memory?
[07:22] <kestas> non-executable memory that is
[07:22] <LinuxDolt> blah. i know how to use gentoo. i've been lost since i first downloaded the iso for this one
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> kestas, that is somnthing i have never heard mentioned.... one way or the other.. or at all.. :P
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> lost?
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> gee its very well documented.
[07:23] <pestilence> LinuxDolt: once you get to know apt, you might like it. man apt-get
[07:23] <kestas> Dr_Willis, okay, well you know whether ubuntu uses NX memory?
[07:23] <pestilence> LinuxDolt: it's much better than emerge, imo
[07:23] <kestas> Dr_Willis, I dont get what youre saying
[07:23] <ofer0> deborphan is a great solution for un-needed dependencies
[07:23] <pestilence> kestas: he's not talking to you
[07:23] <Dr_Willis> kestas, i have NOT seen any mention of the 'nx' stuff in any linux disrto or kernel versions at all..
[07:24] <kestas> pestilence, then why did he say 'kestas' before he said it?
[07:24] <Dr_Willis> kestas - it would be a kernel version feature then I guess.
[07:24] <pestilence> hahaha
[07:24] <tjbonzo> I'm trying out ubuntu - mainly because I got tired of Debian lagging (i.e. Xorg, ...), but now I'm trying to install "gcompris", but ubuntu lags Debian unstable - is there a "unstable" repository?
[07:24] <kestas> Dr_Willis, k I see
[07:24] <pestilence> ok, i gotta get outta here.
[07:25] <Dr_Willis> kestas, heck the thing is barely supported under windows it seems. I enabled the feature.. and have only seen one program ever get in trouble with it. Not sure if thats good or bad.
[07:25] <Brunellus> tjbonzo: you could try adding the debian repos
[07:25] <Burgundavia> tjbonzo, yes, it is called breezy
[07:25] <Brunellus> but this is generally *not recommended*
[07:25] <Burgundavia> tjbonzo, it is quite unstable right now
[07:25] <dan> I can't open openoffice, when I try to open it in terminal I see this: /usr/lib/openoffice/program/setup.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libfreetype.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:25] <Brunellus> hey Burgundavia, whats this I hear about an eyecandy-friendly new xorg in breezy?
[07:25] <Burgundavia> Brunellus, what do you mean?
[07:26] <Burgundavia> Brunellus, the exa stuff hasn't gone in yet
[07:26] <tjbonzo> Bs: so breezy over debian or take my pick?
[07:26] <Brunellus> ok. is breezy mostly frozen?
[07:26] <Burgundavia> tjbonzo, both breezy and sid are quite unstable
[07:26] <Burgundavia> Brunellus, sort of
[07:26] <Brunellus> h'm.
[07:26] <Burgundavia> slushy
[07:26] <Brunellus> hahahaah. I like drinking slushies
[07:27] <Brunellus> not running them on my home box. so I'll wait for release
[07:27] <cryptomatt> hi everyone
[07:27] <Burgundavia> there is still a lot of new stuff going in, for specific goals
[07:27] <cryptomatt> nautilus crashes in my machine often.. when i delete or rename files or such
[07:27] <PurpleMotion> skalpel: hai, fscker
[07:27] <skalpel> hai
[07:27] <skalpel> what's up?
[07:28] <PurpleMotion> ssdd, bro
[07:28] <ofer0> http://rar.co.il/files/Rar-1123219541.jpg
[07:28] <tjbonzo> Burgundavia: so if I go with breezy (i'll google for the repos) - is there a way to "pin" just the one package: apt-get -t unstable install gcompris
[07:28] <PurpleMotion> yourself?
[07:28] <skalpel> i am fine, thank you for asking
[07:28] <Burgundavia> tjbonzo, yes
[07:28] <cryptomatt> apparently absence of FAM is the problem, when i try to install FAM through apt-get it says that i should uninstall a lot of other packages, which is mostly everything on my box.
[07:28] <Brunellus> tjbonzo: apt-pinning works the same as apt-pinning in Debian, I think
[07:28] <skalpel> purplemotion: do you know how to use oidentd?
[07:29] <Burgundavia> ofer0, how does qemu deal with the reboot?
[07:29] <tjbonzo> Brunellus: so does "-t unstable" pull it from breezy or do I do "-t breezy" ?
[07:29] <ilba7r> is there a thread or howto for making mirror image to the home directory <like a backup>
[07:29] <ofer0> Burgundavia, great.
[07:29] <nickrud> Burgundavia, is there a new page that links to breezy's goals?
[07:29] <Burgundavia> tjbonzo, breezy
[07:29] <Burgundavia> ubuntu names their distros
[07:29] <Brunellus> -t breezy
[07:29] <Burgundavia> nickrud, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals
[07:29] <tjbonzo> cool - thanks much guys...off to play some more
[07:29] <yo2k> i want to setup 2nd nic, how i can do that...
[07:29] <ofer0> Burgundavia, very very fast reboot, without all that bios shit like in vmware..
[07:29] <nickrud> hasn't changed, then
[07:30] <Burgundavia> ofer0, cool
[07:30] <Burgundavia> nickrud, there is a meeting tomorrow to recap on goals
[07:30] <skalpel> how do i change my username and pass in ubuntu?
[07:30] <nickrud> pardon me, it has :)
[07:31] <tjbonzo> skalpel: System->Admin->User and Groups
[07:31] <liran> whats an efficient way of checking in "real-time" when su has been invoked to root?
[07:31] <Burgundavia> skalpel, your password is easy, your username is a little more involved
[07:31] <skalpel> i thought it would be
[07:32] <liran> i mean, other than doing something like "cat /var/log/messages | gerp su"
[07:32] <tjbonzo> skalpel: ahhh...you want to just change your user name but keep all your files/settings?
[07:32] <skalpel> yes
[07:32] <skalpel> same user, just different name / pass
[07:33] <cryptomatt> hi everyone, nautilus repeatedly crashes on my machine.. am using hoary.. this happens after a file delete or a file rename.. not everytime but almost 25% of the time.. any clues?
[07:34] <tjbonzo> skalpel: I've never done it, but in theory it should work (YMMV), you could try it first with a bogus test user - but if you just change the name in /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow and /etc/group that should do it
[07:35] <cajun> is anyone having trouble with gtkboard updating?
[07:35] <conciselinux> y is ubuntu good ?
[07:35] <ilba7r> is there a thread or howto for making mirror image of the home directory <like a backup>
[07:35] <Dr_Willis> conciselinux, its a very well done, and polished desktop focused disrto.
[07:35] <tjbonzo> skalpel: the theory part is that linux really stores the userid, so if you change the userid to user name mapping, it should work
[07:36] <skalpel> how do i request a feature for breezy badger?
[07:36] <Brunellus> skalpel, getting a bit late for breezy now...
[07:37] <skalpel> well, then for a future release. it is really bugging me that ubuntu does not do that and windows does.
[07:37] <ilba7r> skapel what you want to do
[07:37] <Burgundavia> skalpel, what feature?
[07:37] <skalpel> the ability to sort audio file in the file browser by album name, etc
[07:38] <skalpel> it seems like it ought to go along well with integrated disc burning
[07:38] <Burgundavia> that would take some major integration
[07:38] <Burgundavia> best place to ask for that is upstream, with gnome
[07:38] <skalpel> it is a major feature for those of us who like music
[07:38] <skalpel> k
[07:39] <Burgundavia> skalpel, http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/nautilus-list
[07:39] <Burgundavia> that is the list you want to raise it on
[07:39] <skalpel> ty
[07:40] <cajun> i keep getting the following error message when i try to update: "E: gtkboard: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 9"
[07:40] <benplaut> anyone here know anything about e16 in gnome?
[07:40] <cajun> how can i fix that?
[07:41] <r0d> where do you configure modprobe to see custom modules? /etc/modprobe.d/arch?
[07:41] <Burgundavia> cajun, remove gtkboard, upgrade and then reinstall it
[07:42] <glick> hehe i have 11 computers in the house now
[07:42] <deprave> anyone have a good suggestion on an html editor?
[07:42] <deprave> nothing too fancy etc.
[07:42] <glick> deprave, bluefish
[07:42] <Burgundavia> deprave, screem or bluefish
[07:42] <deprave> roger
[07:42] <deprave> thanks
[07:42] <glick> one of em is a 100mhz pentium wone
[07:42] <IcemanV9> glick: trying to start a business? :p
[07:42] <glick> IcemanV9, hehe actually i am
[07:42] <glick> but not with these computers
[07:43] <glick> i just acquired a p2 running windows 98 today with a dvd drive
[07:43] <glick> figure ill rip out the dvd, use one as a general desktop
[07:43] <glick> use it as a smoothwall firewall
[07:43] <IcemanV9> glick: repair? then, you're falling behind :P
[07:43] <yo2k> how i install squid?
[07:44] <IcemanV9> with 11 PCs
[07:44] <r0d> geez u guys ever hear of vmware lol
[07:44] <glick> IcemanV9, what do you mean repair?
[07:44] <glick> they all work
[07:45] <Burgundavia> cajun, reinstallation of gtkboard?
[07:45] <cajun> yup
[07:46] <Burgundavia> cajun, you running hoary?
[07:46] <IcemanV9> starting a business; ppl dropped off PC @ ur place for repair .. that's what i am aiming for :)
[07:46] <Zaphoid``> Anyone reccoment a good VNC viewer for windows thats OSS?
[07:46] <cajun> i think so
[07:47] <cajun> i haven't upgraded to breezy
[07:47] <IcemanV9> yo2k: try squidtaild? not familiar with what they have for ubuntu
[07:47] <Burgundavia> cajun, report a bug about it
[07:47] <yo2k> IcemanV9, how if squid2.5stable10 ? can ?
[07:47] <Burgundavia> Zaphoid``, tightvnc
[07:47] <cajun> k
[07:47] <Burgundavia> cajun, it is a universe bug, so it goes in malone
[07:48] <mebaran151> yeah, archlinux sucked
[07:48] <Zaphoid``> Burgundavia does that work with the default Ubuntu VNC server?
[07:48] <mebaran151> it doesnt work ..., though abs was a neat portage idea
[07:48] <cajun> nevermind....found the bug reporting tool
[07:49] <Burgundavia> Zaphoid``, vnc is a protocol, like tcp. Many apps speak it
[07:49] <Burgundavia> cajun, that doesn't work
[07:49] <cajun> oh
[07:49] <IcemanV9> yo2k: again, i am not familiar with squid .. i just found them in apt-cache search
[07:49] <cajun> ok...then what shall i do?
[07:49] <Zaphoid``> Thank you Burgundavia
[07:49] <dan> I can't open openoffice, when I try to open it in terminal I see this: /usr/lib/openoffice/program/setup.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libfreetype.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:49] <Burgundavia> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug/+login
[07:49] <yo2k> IcemanV9, thank's...
[07:49] <dan> how do I fix that?
[07:49] <_SD_Keo> I need a little help... The power went out and I need to fsck ---rebuild-tree, but it exits with errorlevel 6 or something..
[07:50] <yo2k> IcemanV9, how i configure 2nd ethernet card ?
[07:50] <IcemanV9> ifconfig
[07:51] <IcemanV9> or .. system > admin > networking
[07:51] <yo2k> my pc setup as server
[07:51] <yo2k> run in text mode
[07:51] <mebaran151> how would I use the alsa drivers I get from cvs?
[07:51] <IcemanV9> ifconfig, then
[07:52] <mebaran151> my snd card is only supported by the patched cvs drivers
[07:52] <Deanodriver> hi
[07:52] <mebaran151> I'd like them to become part of the alsadrivers package
[07:52] <Deanodriver> if i use cfdisk to add a new partition to a hard drive, and set it to type 83, does that set it as ext2 or ext3?
[07:53] <Deanodriver> (bought a new hard drive, trying to partition it)
[07:53] <Deanodriver> :)
[07:53] <ofer0> Deanodriver, i think its EXT3
[07:53] <Deanodriver> ok then
[07:53] <Deanodriver> i'll try it then :)
[07:53] <Deanodriver> thanks
[07:53] <ofer0> :)
[07:54] <Deanodriver> now to edit /etc/fstab :)
[07:54] <Vubuntu> hey anyone using openbox here?
[07:55] <_SD_Keo> I need a little help... The power went out and I need to fsck ---rebuild-tree, but it exits with errorlevel 6 or something..
[07:55] <Deanodriver> how would I set options for a user to write to it? just set umask=000 like with a far32 partition?
[07:56] <Deanodriver> *fat32
[07:57] <_SD_Keo> I need a little help... The power went out and I need to fsck ---rebuild-tree, but it exits with errorlevel 6 or something..
[07:58] <Deanodriver> would this line be fine if i wanted non-root users to write to it?
[07:58] <deprave> in bluefish how do you view the page as it would be seen on the web page
[07:58] <Deanodriver> /dev/hdd1 /files2 ext3 umask=000 0 0
[07:58] <deprave> instead of editing it in raw html
[07:58] <Deanodriver> does bluefish do wysiwyg?
[07:59] <f_newton> no Deanodriver
[07:59] <Deanodriver> could always load it in firefox
[07:59] <f_newton> get nvu
[07:59] <Deanodriver> yeah
[07:59] <f_newton> mozilla has a wysiwyg html editor
[07:59] <Deanodriver> so have i got /etc/fstab properly set up for this new drive? :)
[08:00] <deprave> what's nvu
[08:00] <Deanodriver> wysiwyg html editor :)
[08:01] <^Cricket^> does anyone know how to rebiuld a reiserfs tree?
[08:01] <deprave> whats wysiwyg
[08:01] <Deanodriver> what you see is what you get
[08:01] <f_newton> what you see is what you get
[08:01] <HrdwrBoB> ^Cricket^: use the reiserfs repair tool...
[08:02] <_SD_Keo> What if the tool fails?
[08:02] <jay> Can someone help me convert from linux to windows?
[08:03] <HrdwrBoB> jay: that's not what we do here
[08:03] <HrdwrBoB> what's your problme
[08:03] <Deanodriver> we convert people the other way :P
[08:03] <nickrud> Burgundavia, thanks for the heads up about the meeting, I'll enjoy listening, if I can make it.
[08:03] <jay> I know however I'm asking out of the generiousity of the people here.
[08:03] <jay> generousity*
[08:03] <mejobloggs> hi, my ubuntu keeps locking up all the time. How do i go about fixing it?
[08:03] <Madpilot> hi all - was there a big netsplit about two hours ago?
[08:04] <Burgundavia> nickrud, indeed
[08:04] <f_newton> well get some salt water in a bucket, two butter knives and an electrical outlet... now take off your shoes....
[08:04] <nickrud> heh, and, damn, typing is not talking
[08:04] <HrdwrBoB> jay: what exactly is the problem
[08:04] <Deanodriver> does anyone out there have an idea of what options i should set in /etc/fstab for an ext3 partition if i want users to write to it?
[08:04] <Deanodriver> would umask=000 work?
[08:05] <Deanodriver> (which i have set for a fat32 partition in this system
[08:05] <jay> Well I deleted the windows pertition and windows was preloaded onto my computer.
[08:05] <zaphoid> When I click on system -> Administration -> Shared Folders. Ubuntu is saying that I need samba or NFS installed. Now I have samba installed (I can browse my other network shares on windows computers) Whats up with this?
[08:05] <jay> I don't have any intention of totally getting rid of linux only having multiple OS
[08:05] <Deanodriver> with dualboots, you generally have to install windows first
[08:05] <Deanodriver> iirc
[08:06] <deprave> !nvu
[08:06] <ubotu> it has been said that nvu is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingNvu http://www.nvu.com/ Linux/Mac/Windows Web authoring.
[08:06] <jay> That's kind of the problem....
[08:06] <Deanodriver> brb
[08:06] <Deanodriver> reboot
[08:06] <HrdwrBoB> jay: ok, that's easy
[08:06] <HrdwrBoB> ooh
[08:06] <skalpel> irssi
[08:06] <HrdwrBoB> you deleted windows
[08:06] <f_newton> you can do it the other way around Deanodriver but its a lot more work
[08:06] <HrdwrBoB> jay: use the disks that came with your computer to reinstall it
[08:06] <f_newton> thats my solution HrdwrBoB
[08:06] <jay> They didn't.
[08:06] <HrdwrBoB> if it didn't come with disks, go back to where you bought it from
[08:07] <HrdwrBoB> if it's not a valid licensed copy of windows, buy one
[08:07] <f_newton> lol he doesnt have a windows install disk?
[08:07] <jay> Tried that, they said you had to make a recovery disc and that they couldn't do anything.
[08:07] <jay> Heh, yeah right buy a windows cd >.>
[08:07] <jay> Let me get that $200 out of my pocket
[08:07] <f_newton> well jay run ubuntu
[08:08] <f_newton> its a very good os
[08:08] <jay> Not alone when you would also like to play games heh -_-
[08:08] <f_newton> install cedega
[08:08] <skalpel> my computer came with recovery software that does not quit until linux is eradicated
[08:08] <skalpel> im lucky to be using linux as it is. sh. do not tell emachines.
[08:09] <skalpel> i boot in fear for my safety
[08:09] <f_newton> emachines lol
[08:09] <skalpel> and that of my linux partition
[08:09] <f_newton> I have a reconfiguration tool for most emachines
[08:09] <zaphoid> When I click on system -> Administration -> Shared Folders. Ubuntu is saying that I need samba or NFS installed. Now I have samba installed (I can browse my other network shares on windows computers) Whats up with this?
[08:09] <Madpilot> skalpel: what do emachines do to their boxes?
[08:09] <f_newton> hey spanglesontoast how ya doin?
[08:10] <spanglesontoast> I'm ok
[08:10] <spanglesontoast> just managed to get this other machine a mate gave me to work
[08:10] <spanglesontoast> to enter the bios
[08:10] <f_newton> glad to hear it
[08:10] <skalpel> there is a fat32 partition, rather small, that automatically repartitions and restores windows xp if anything is done to it
[08:10] <spanglesontoast> you have to switch the jumper
[08:10] <spanglesontoast> it's kinda silly
[08:10] <f_newton> ? is that a tandy?
[08:10] <skalpel> makes it very difficult to dualboot
[08:10] <spanglesontoast> tandy?
[08:10] <skalpel> and often interferes with the installation of any other os
[08:11] <Madpilot> skalpel: damn. can't you nuke that partition with one of Ubuntu's utils?
[08:11] <^Cricket^> O_o spangles......
[08:11] <^Cricket^> o/
[08:11] <spanglesontoast> hello crick
[08:11] <skalpel> madpilot: someone told me a way but as i still do not have the windows install discs i need i am holding off on it. but yes, i will soon
[08:11] <spanglesontoast> hmm
[08:11] <f_newton> skalpel you can get rid of that .... but you need to turn that bios function off first
[08:11] <spanglesontoast> this processor fan is like a hoover
[08:11] <^Cricket^> yes /me runs ubuntu
[08:11] <_SD_Keo> How many people must I kill to ask one question? -_- the fsck ---rebuild-tree tool failed with an errorcode of 6...
[08:11] <skalpel> f_newton: there is some debate as to whether it really is a bios function, soemoen told me it is just a boot partition that like to stay where it is =)
[08:12] <spanglesontoast> I'm not sure weather or not to have it as a gui server
[08:12] <f_newton> the bios is instructed to look there first and from there there is a pointer to you mbr
[08:12] <spanglesontoast> ah
[08:12] <txsky> ah
[08:13] <f_newton> that was for skalpel
[08:13] <spanglesontoast> ah
[08:13] <spanglesontoast> lol
[08:13] <cafuego> Well, adding 200Mb of some-suid root software that eats 128MB of ram on a server is um....
[08:13] <f_newton> yeah yeah yeah...
[08:13] <zaphoid> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[08:13] <zaphoid> when I try to run apt-get install samba
[08:13] <spanglesontoast> hmm
[08:13] <ajmitch> _SD_Keo: the manpage says that an errorcode of 6 means fixable errors left uncorrected..
[08:13] <spanglesontoast> it's just I could use insecure webmin
[08:13] <spanglesontoast> or use vnc
[08:13] <f_newton> some kid is out in the parking lot doing donuts
[08:13] <cafuego> spanglesontoast: vnc through ssh
[08:13] <f_newton> lol idiot
[08:13] <f_newton> daddy must buy his tires
[08:13] <skalpel> f_newton: well someone told me there is a way to flash the bios and remove it but i do not even have a disk drive to perform that function
[08:13] <mebaran151> what version of alsa is in Breezy and which is in Hoary
[08:13] <glick> hey how do i disable those crappy awefull "plunk" sounds whenever i click on something
[08:14] <ajmitch> _SD_Keo: your question is at once rather vague & specific :)
[08:14] <spanglesontoast> lol
[08:14] <mebaran151> I know the one in Hoary works and the one Breezy doesnt
[08:14] <glick> as well as the gnome startup sounds
[08:14] <f_newton> skalpel dont believe that one
[08:14] <f_newton> you are running a custom bios
[08:14] <spanglesontoast> what I love about ubuntu
[08:14] <mebaran151> I dont like the color brown
[08:14] <skalpel> how do you go about removing software from the bios?
[08:14] <spanglesontoast> is theres lots of packages
[08:14] <Deanodriver> hi
[08:14] <Burgundavia> _SD_Keo, I hate to say this, but I don;t think anyone here has the answer. You might want to google it
[08:14] <mebaran151> why cant ubuntu have blue colored themes
[08:14] <skalpel> f_newton: that is what i thought originally
[08:14] <f_newton> its not software
[08:14] <Burgundavia> spanglesontoast, guis on a server is complete insanity
[08:14] <HrdwrBoB> f_newton: yeah even when I was into cars heavily, I didn't do burnouts, $250 a tyre gets old very quickly
[08:14] <mebaran151> what is _SD_Keo's question
[08:14] <Deanodriver> not getting this to mount :|
[08:14] <f_newton> you have to turn that function off
[08:14] <f_newton> so that bios wont perform that operation
[08:14] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: it's a reiserfs issue
[08:14] <Burgundavia> mebaran151, the default gnoem ones are provided
[08:14] <skalpel> f_newton: how do i do that?
[08:15] <mebaran151> Burgundavia, that aren't ugly......
[08:15] <spanglesontoast> it's just a 466mhz
[08:15] <spanglesontoast> that's all
[08:15] <f_newton> I dont know I would have to look at that machine
[08:15] <f_newton> good enough spanglesontoast
[08:15] <spanglesontoast> and the graphics card can actually handle x
[08:15] <mebaran151> Gnome is relaly quite nice when you them it well
[08:15] <ZincX> how can i remove the ~ on my ident ?
[08:15] <f_newton> ubuntu would be the way to go
[08:15] <mebaran151> but I really wish didnt overload all the time
[08:15] <Burgundavia> mebaran151, ubuntu is going to be brown for the foreseeable future
[08:15] <Deanodriver> "VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev hdd1."
[08:15] <mebaran151> Burgundavia, I know
[08:15] <mebaran151> Fedora has the color scheme down pat
[08:15] <mebaran151> too bad it doesnt work
[08:16] <f_newton> well I can change that for myself Burgundavia
[08:16] <spanglesontoast> newton
[08:16] <Burgundavia> f_newton, say again?
[08:16] <spanglesontoast> it could end up somewhere else if it's brown
[08:16] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, say again?
[08:16] <f_newton> the earth tones
[08:16] <f_newton> I can change those myself
[08:16] <f_newton> the way it comes is fine with me
[08:17] <spanglesontoast> oh
[08:17] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: _SD_Keo's issue was from running fsck.reiserfs, I gave him an answer just before you said that noone knew
[08:17] <mebaran151> how do I use ALSA cvs drivers
[08:17] <Deanodriver> anyone?
[08:17] <Burgundavia> f_newton, ah, ok. I didn't follow where you were coming from
[08:17] <spanglesontoast> that's why the live doesn't work
[08:17] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, ah, ok
[08:17] <spanglesontoast> it's only got 64mb
[08:17] <spanglesontoast> lol
[08:17] <ajmitch> specifically, using the --fix-fixable flag to fsck
[08:17] <f_newton> I like the boot splash screen that it shows ya not the one ya get
[08:17] <f_newton> you know the nice young ladies looking up with the low cut dresses?
[08:17] <_SD_Keo> I had used the fixable flag, but there are serious errors that needed to be rebuilded..
[08:18] <_SD_Keo> **rebuilt
[08:18] <f_newton> that is one sweet bootsplash screen
[08:18] <f_newton> but its not the one ya get
[08:18] <ajmitch> _SD_Keo: sorry, I'm just going from what the manpage tells me, if it cannot fix them, then I don't know
[08:18] <glick> is there anyway in the gnome file browser and can get a forward and back button
[08:18] <glick> ?
[08:18] <glick> and also so it doesnt open up a new window at the default size?
[08:19] <glick> just one window, whatever size i make it and forward and backward buttons would be nice
[08:19] <shane_> someones picky
[08:19] <f_newton> 64 meg hmmm well you can probably play pong with it
[08:19] <Burgundavia> glick, change to browser mode
[08:19] <glick> Burgundavia, how do i do that>?
[08:20] <Burgundavia> glick, edit--->prefs
[08:20] <glick> Burgundavia, tjamls
[08:20] <glick> thanks
[08:20] <Burgundavia> glick, 2nd tab, tick "open in browser windows"
[08:20] <shane_> does anyone know of a good dvd maker/copyer for ubuntu????
[08:20] <zaphoid> Is there a GUI configuration tool for Samba in Ubuntu?
[08:20] <HrdwrBoB> shane_: yes, any
[08:20] <zaphoid> shane_ truthfully. I use dvd shrink through WINE :) It's great.
[08:21] <zaphoid> I would love to see dvdshrink ported over to linux.
[08:21] <Burgundavia> zaphoid, install samba and then go to system-->admin-->shares
[08:21] <shane_> HrdwrBoB, all the programs i use only have data dvd
[08:21] <skalpel> is there a replacement cdplayer for ubuntu?
[08:21] <shane_> and i want to put all my aquateen volume 3's i have on avi on to dvd....any ideas?
[08:22] <Madpilot> skalpel: you've noticed that the default one is awful too, right? ;)
[08:22] <zaphoid> Burgundavia, I did that. And set up a share. But when I try to log into that share through windows. It asks me for a username and password. Which I never set up, and neither my linux login or windows login is correct.
[08:22] <skalpel> madpilot: not awful, but not great =)
[08:22] <xmen90s> ive been trying to get the network working on this ubuntu 64bit for like 3 days now ... and no dice
[08:23] <xmen90s> ive googled, searched the forums, etc
[08:23] <glick> browser mode is much better
[08:23] <xmen90s> cant find anything that works for me
[08:23] <Burgundavia> zaphoid, hmm
[08:23] <glick> and now that those crappy sounds are gone
[08:23] <skalpel> madpilot: did you find one that is better?
[08:23] <glick> and i got my nvidia working
[08:23] <glick> its a nice system
[08:23] <Madpilot> skalpel: does yours hang when it hits the end of a CD? and no, I haven't found better. haven't looked, really
[08:23] <xmen90s> does anyone think they could help me, or point me to where i could get some help?
[08:23] <shane_> i cant get my radion 9550 to work :-(
[08:24] <skalpel> madpilot: i have yet to listen to acd all the wya through. i hope it does not hang though
[08:24] <skalpel> goodnight #ubuntu
[08:24] <skalpel> rock, rock on.
[08:24] <Madpilot> skalpel: it probably will... i always seem to be forcekilling mine. see you later
[08:24] <xmen90s> nobody ... ?
[08:24] <Madpilot> xmen90s: checked the wiki?
[08:24] <xmen90s> yeah
[08:25] <xmen90s> i found one thing that seemed to be perfect ... but it didn't work :(
[08:25] <xmen90s> basically, when i install ubuntu, the dhcp stuff doesn't work
[08:25] <xmen90s> if i have the protocol to that, and i try to load a web page it automatically says cant connect
[08:26] <xmen90s> i cant ping other computers on the network
[08:26] <xmen90s> i cant do anything
[08:26] <xmen90s> but ...
[08:26] <spanglesontoast> how good is a ubuntu web server?
[08:26] <xmen90s> if i try to statically assign ip
[08:26] <xmen90s> then i try to load web page ... it sits for like a min, then times out
[08:26] <xmen90s> and
[08:26] <xmen90s> i can ping other computers on the network
[08:26] <xmen90s> i can even ping an ip from outside the network
[08:26] <xmen90s> but cant load pages or anything
[08:27] <xmen90s> its uber weird
[08:27] <zaphoid> xmen90s, check your DNS settings
[08:27] <xmen90s> i checked my router and it gave me some dns addresses
[08:27] <xmen90s> i added those and it didn't work
[08:27] <xmen90s> then
[08:27] <xmen90s> i tried to add the ip of my router instead
[08:27] <glick> how do you remove a software package that was installed via package?
[08:27] <xmen90s> and that didn't wokk either
[08:28] <zaphoid> What is your router's IP addy? And your DNS server?
[08:28] <zaphoid> Also, are you the only computer on this network?
[08:28] <xmen90s> no, there are 4 other computers on the network
[08:28] <xmen90s> my routers ip is 192.168.2.1
[08:29] <xmen90s> the primary and secondary dns's im getting from my router status page, i guess just what the isp sent
[08:29] <zaphoid> Make sure your IP does not conflict with others on the network. Then go in and set your IP to 192.168.2.2 MASK 255.255.255.0 GATEWAY 192.168.2.1 DNS *Whatever your DNS server is*
[08:30] <balistic22> hey can someone help me out with a net boot i am attempting
[08:30] <balistic22> net boot install for ubuntu
[08:30] <zaphoid> Able to ping other boxes, but not load a webpage definatly sounds like a DNS error to me.
[08:31] <balistic22> hey can someone help me out with a net boot i am attempting to install ubuntu using net boot
[08:31] <xmen90s> well the dhcp assigns ips from 192.168.2.100 to .109
[08:31] <zaphoid> Burgundavia, Any ideas on this Samba problem?
[08:31] <wildcowboy> hi
[08:31] <wildcowboy> anybody
[08:31] <balistic22> anyone not busy
[08:31] <xmen90s> thanks zaphoid for listening
[08:31] <balistic22> id appreciate some help
[08:31] <xmen90s> ill try some more dns stuff :)
[08:31] <wildcowboy> i'm not balistic22
[08:31] <wildcowboy> on what?
[08:32] <zaphoid> xmen90s, Whats your netmask that is given with you use DHCP?
[08:32] <zaphoid> when*
[08:32] <balistic22> hey wildcowboy im doing a netboot and i pretty much have everything set on my xp laptop
[08:32] <xmen90s> zaphoid : Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
[08:32] <zaphoid> If it's 255.255.255.0 (Standard for most routers) giving yourself an ip of 192.168.2.2 should be fine.
[08:32] <xmen90s> so just a standard one
[08:32] <balistic22> i just need to know how to run the pxe
[08:33] <balistic22> on the other comp
[08:33] <xmen90s> okie dokie, ill be around, thanks
[08:33] <zaphoid> Yea, just use 192.168.1.2 NETMASK 255.255.255.0 GATEWAY 192.168.2.1 DNS *Your DNS server* and it should work.
[08:33] <zaphoid> np
[08:33] <wildcowboy> y don't you just do it the normal way instead of netboot
[08:33] <wildcowboy> i take it you're a newbie, right
[08:33] <balistic22> yeah i guess
[08:34] <wildcowboy> did you download the discs?
[08:34] <balistic22> but my laptop doesnt have a cd rom and i tried everything and netboot install is the only thing that i havent tried
[08:34] <zaphoid> Ok, going to re-ask my question. I installed samba (Default apt-get install samba style) and set up a share. When I try to log into that share from windows it is asking for a username and password. Any ideas?
[08:34] <balistic22> i have the cd
[08:34] <wildcowboy> just do it from the cd
[08:34] <wildcowboy> much easier
[08:34] <HrdwrBoB> zaphoid: yes, you need to use smbpasswd to set users passwords for samba
[08:34] <wildcowboy> are you familiar with linux at all?
[08:34] <balistic22> wildcowboy i dont have a cd driver.. only an external one and my other lap top wont load from it
[08:34] <traveller> what do i need to install in order to watch an encrypted dvd? i can't seem to find libdvdcss
[08:34] <zaphoid> Thanks HrdwrBoB
[08:34] <balistic22> wildcowboy yes i am
[08:35] <xmen90s> zaphoid : did the same thing with fedora ... you just have to set a windows username and link it to your linux username then the password for your linux account will work
[08:35] <ofer0> http://rar.co.il/files/Rar-1123223576.jpg
[08:35] <wildcowboy> interesting
[08:35] <balistic22> wildcowboy ive used ubuntu before i know how it works.. trust me i installed a whole debian system with out 2 floppys
[08:35] <wildcowboy> did you try the help page?
[08:35] <balistic22> yeah but it doesnt explain the pxe
[08:35] <Burgundavia> zaphoid, sorry no
[08:35] <wildcowboy> feasible
[08:35] <xmen90s> woops
[08:35] <xmen90s> heh
[08:35] <xmen90s> :)
[08:35] <balistic22> yup
[08:36] <wildcowboy> do you know the path to find your ip address?
[08:36] <wildcowboy> and all of that stuff?
[08:37] <zaphoid> zaphoid@ubuntu:~$ sudo smbpasswd
[08:37] <zaphoid> Can't load /etc/samba/smb.conf - run testparm to debug it
[08:37] <balistic22> wat do yo umea
[08:37] <wildcowboy> do you know how to locate that info?
[08:37] <xmen90s> hmmm
[08:37] <xmen90s> is smbd and nmbd running?
[08:37] <zaphoid> Yea =/
[08:37] <balistic22> no i dont
[08:37] <PurpleMotion> so now ive been reduced to sitting byt he computer waiting for a pm so i can go pick mouse up from jail
[08:37] <luminerd> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=350118
[08:37] <wildcowboy> okay, going to check something, I will get back to you
[08:37] <luminerd> Please ?
[08:37] <balistic22> k
[08:39] <PurpleMotion> lumi
[08:40] <PurpleMotion> the mouse works when you use the default ubuntu installation, right?
[08:40] <PurpleMotion> luminerd
[08:41] <luminerd> PurpleMotion, yea
[08:41] <balistic22> hmm..
[08:41] <PurpleMotion> the mouse works when you use the default ubuntu installation, right?
[08:41] <luminerd> PurpleMotion, sry
[08:41] <luminerd> PurpleMotion, no
[08:41] <luminerd> PurpleMotion, no no, can't get it working at all
[08:41] <PurpleMotion> ah, so it just doesnt work at all
[08:41] <luminerd> PurpleMotion, not with Ubuntu...works with no problems on Debian, though on Debian nothing else worked
[08:41] <luminerd> PurpleMotion, right
[08:41] <HrdwrBoB> argh
[08:42] <zaphoid> Ahh, found the problem. There is a bug in the Ubuntu shared folders program. It will let the user add an invalid entry by not specifying a name for the samba share. Which in turn confuses the smb server and will not let you load /etc/samba/smb.conf
[08:42] <PurpleMotion> im thinking
[08:42] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: full dmesg output?
[08:42] <PurpleMotion> im good at thinking
[08:42] <glick> i dont like that that populatiry contest that is installed by default
[08:42] <zaphoid> Where do I report that? Never really reported a bug before =P
[08:42] <glick> how do i disable that>?
[08:42] <glick> i tried to uninstall it but it depends on the base
[08:42] <HrdwrBoB> glick: you can remove the base package - it's simple a meta package
[08:42] <LinuxDolt> BLARGH! blacklisting got rid of one. but now i can't seem to get rid of the oss driver...
[08:43] <balistic22> wildcowboy are you there?
[08:43] <glick> HrdwrBoB, it says it will also remove the ubuntu-base
[08:43] <HrdwrBoB> glick: yeah
[08:43] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, I still haven't been able to get that
[08:43] <glick> HrdwrBoB, wont that uninstall the entire base?
[08:43] <PurpleMotion> luminerd: look in msg
[08:44] <HrdwrBoB> It is safe to remove this package if some of the base system packages are not
[08:44] <HrdwrBoB> desired. However, it is recommended that you keep it installed, because it is
[08:44] <HrdwrBoB> used to carry out certain upgrade transitions (such as adding new packages to
[08:44] <HrdwrBoB> the system).
[08:44] <LinuxDolt> ok... that's it. i'm just going to turn the thing off from bios. the windows users will just have to suffer
[08:45] <balistic22> does anyone know how to do a netboot install for ubuntu
[08:45] <Madpilot> !info ubuntu-base
[08:45] <ubotu> ubuntu-base: (The Ubuntu base system), section base, is optional. Version: 0.43 (hoary), Packaged size: 5 kB, Installed size: 32 kB
[08:46] <Doonz> hey guys
[08:46] <Madpilot> balistic22: you've seen this? --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/Netboot
[08:46] <balistic22> YEs madpilot
[08:46] <balistic22> I just dont knnow how to set up the pxe
[08:46] <balistic22> i dunno how the other computer recognizes the netboot
[08:46] <glick> can i delete gnome games without havint to remove the base system?
[08:46] <balistic22> is there a floppy i have to make
[08:46] <Doonz> ubuntu run slow on my box. its an amdxp 3000 with 512 ram on a 7200rpm drive with a gf2 as the vid card. what should i upgrade to improve the performance
[08:46] <Madpilot> balistic22: never done a netboot myself, but I know the page exists.
[08:47] <zaphoid> Doonz, thats more than enough hardware to power Ubuntu. You might have a configuration error. What is it "Slow" at?
[08:47] <f_newton> balistic22, you still trying?
[08:47] <balistic22> f_newton yeah
[08:47] <Doonz> switching various programs seems to lag quite a bit
[08:47] <balistic22> f_newton im addictied
[08:48] <zaphoid> Like, switching from say, Firefox to E-Mail?
[08:48] <glick> addicted to what?
[08:48] <Doonz> yeah
[08:48] <balistic22> f_newton help mee pleapseee
[08:48] <Doonz> or just even switching tabs in firefox it get sdelayed
[08:48] <balistic22> f_newton did you gety our burger lol
[08:48] <f_newton> oh yea
[08:48] <f_newton> it was good too
[08:48] <airox> Hi. Anybody got a link to or knows how to preload a copy of firefox like firefox preloader does for Windows ?
[08:49] <balistic22> f_newton sweet
[08:49] <navyn> how can i remove e17 and get e16 instead?
[08:49] <Doonz> is there a command i can type in terminal that will show how much system resources im using and mebbe you could look at them and mebbe that would help you out
[08:49] <airox> Doonz: top ?
[08:49] <zaphoid> Is this a default ubuntu install? It might be running the standard VGA x driver instead of the NVidia driver. Not sure on that. Sounds to me like it's a problem with your display driver.. That system should be more than enough to power stuff like say, firefox tabs.
[08:49] <zaphoid> Doonz, ps -aux |more
[08:49] <f_newton> balistic22, honestly if I were u I would learn how to use the cli web browser and net install the xserver for sarge
[08:50] <balistic22> f_newton im trying to do a netboot but i dont know if im suppose to make a floppy
[08:50] <drcode> hi all
[08:50] <f_newton> once you got a gui running you would feel a lot better
[08:50] <xmen90s> ok so new news .... in network tools i switched from looking at the lo to the eth0 and it says that it is INACTIVE despite the fact that in the network settings i have eth0 activated!
[08:50] <f_newton> lol
[08:50] <drcode> in vncserver how I can do full screen
[08:50] <drcode> when I type vncserver?
[08:50] <balistic22> f_newton im getting stressed out..
[08:50] <f_newton> well dont
[08:50] <balistic22> f_newton can you just give me instructions on what to do
[08:51] <f_newton> take a few deep breaths
[08:51] <balistic22> *breaths*
[08:51] <abhayks> breaths-2
[08:51] <f_newton> well since this is the beginning of day four on ubuntu for me I will try...
[08:51] <Madpilot> apt-get deep_breath
[08:51] <xmen90s> well you could type "vncserver -geometry 1024x768" if you so desired when starting the server
[08:51] <drcode> than x
[08:51] <balistic22> god bless you f_newton
[08:51] <drcode> IU will try it
[08:51] <f_newton> apt-get multiple_deepbreaths
[08:51] <xmen90s> not a problem
[08:52] <balistic22> lollllllll
[08:52] <f_newton> He does yes balistic22
[08:52] <balistic22> lol
[08:52] <balistic22> f_newton so do we go wtih the netboot install?
[08:52] <f_newton> I am working outside a closed wifi cafe in dallas tx balistic22 ... its hotter n hades out here right now
[08:52] <f_newton> ...
[08:52] <balistic22> lollll wow
[08:53] <f_newton> let me see what I can find
[08:53] <balistic22> f_newton how old are you
[08:53] <xmen90s> anyone... :\
[08:53] <f_newton> lets just say Im almost able to collect social security unless bush raises the age limit
[08:53] <balistic22> LOL
[08:53] <balistic22> you know how old i am
[08:53] <drcode> If I did login into gnome in remote server
[08:53] <balistic22> 18 =/
[08:53] <glick> f_newton, he prollu will
[08:53] <balistic22> and im into linux
[08:53] <drcode> can I do logoff from remote client?
[08:54] <f_newton> yeah rich buttholes always try to keep from paying the poor back what they stole from em
[08:54] <drcode> I can't see the remote server with vncviewer bcz its local
[08:54] <f_newton> different subject though
[08:54] <Nameeater> it seems ubuntu has my speakers around the wrong way, and im 99% sure they are plugged in the right way, is there any software way to switch them around?
[08:54] <f_newton> balistic22, I will go check on something about your problem... hang on
[08:54] <drcode> Can I chose in vncserver to load xfce and not gnome?
[08:54] <balistic22> You got it
[08:55] <xmen90s> wait did you ask if you can log off remotely with vnc?
[08:55] <xmen90s> do you mean from the top bar?
[08:55] <drcode> k
[08:55] <drcode> I did login local when I was at work
[08:55] <drcode> but when I try vncviewer , I Can't get connect
[08:55] <drcode> can I do remote shutdown
[08:56] <drcode> from console?
[08:56] <f_newton> InstallWithFloppiesHowto: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallWithFloppiesHowto
[08:56] <xmen90s> reboot -n
[08:56] <glick> im so happy i finally got a smoothwall machine
[08:56] <f_newton> balistic22, see InstallWithFloppiesHowto: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallWithFloppiesHowto
[08:56] <drcode> reboot -n will do to all linux?
[08:56] <drcode> or onley to xserver?
[08:56] <xmen90s> oh, i meant in terminal
[08:56] <balistic22> f_newton so this external cd rom drive is useless
[08:56] <Madpilot> drcode: do "man reboot" and see
[08:56] <xmen90s> like when i vnc server i just open up a terminal and do that
[08:56] <drcode> thanx
[08:57] <Nameeater> what about shutdown? :|
[08:57] <f_newton> no its not useless but it wont help you boot up an os if its not in the bios boot tree
[08:57] <Madpilot> drcode: or "reboot --help" for a shorter blurb
[08:57] <drcode> k
[08:57] <drcode> and can I tell vncserver to load xfce and not gnome?
[08:57] <zaphoid> Mem: 516500k total, (When I run top)..... I have a gig of ram =/
[08:57] <xmen90s> so can anyone help me with my not being able to connect to the internet program again ... ?
[08:57] <f_newton> balistic22, Did you see the web site addy i POSTED?
[08:57] <balistic22> f_newton i have the sarge installed already
[08:58] <balistic22> YES I DID
[08:58] <balistic22> I DID THAT
[08:58] <balistic22> all of it
[08:58] <balistic22> i have debian
[08:58] <xmen90s> drcode : in .vnc/startup it has what you need
[08:58] <glick> is anyone here from philadelphia?
[08:58] <drcode> thanx
[08:58] <balistic22> glick this aint a dating chatroom
[08:58] <drcode> I will read about it
[08:58] <f_newton> balistic22, that is supposedly the net install for ubuntu
[08:58] <drcode> thanx for the help
[08:58] <f_newton> not deb
[08:58] <balistic22> no its not
[08:58] <glick> balistic22, damn i was really hoping to find a hot date in this ubuntu linux channel
[08:59] <Madpilot> drcode: np. www.linuxcommands.org is a good resource
[09:01] <balistic22> glick lol
[09:01] <drcode> I Cant find /.vnc/startup
[09:01] <LinuxDolt> it didn't work...
[09:01] <balistic22> f_newton thats teh debian install
[09:01] <xmen90s> thats because its hidden, show all hidden files
[09:01] <ofer0> drcode, i think he ment to /home/username/.vnc/startup
[09:01] <f_newton> ok i see
[09:01] <xmen90s> erm, well i figured that was given ...
[09:01] <balistic22> f_newton what im thinking is find a floppy that allows me to boot from usb
[09:01] <xmen90s> sorry
[09:01] <kestas> does anyone know if ubuntu will use hardware NX if it's available?
[09:01] <LinuxDolt> i disabled onboard in the bios, and i STILL have an extra sound device. how can i disable OSS?
[09:01] <drcode> I cneck there also
[09:02] <f_newton> balistic you could find a win98 boot floppy and add your dvdr driver to it....
[09:02] <f_newton> but you are also going to have to have a usb driver and all that is going to be too big for a floppy]
[09:03] <balistic22> f_newton so what do i do
[09:03] <f_newton> multiple floppies would work but lordy that is an awful lot of trouble
[09:03] <xmen90s> *sigh&
[09:03] <luminerd> PurpleMotion, thank you so much!
[09:03] <f_newton> PurpleMotion, ya get em goin eh?
[09:03] <f_newton> was it his config?
[09:04] <luminerd> f_newton, well, I'm still not sure what it was
[09:04] <PurpleMotion> it was black magic
[09:04] <benplaut> anyone here know anything about e16 in Gnome?
[09:04] <PurpleMotion> fear meh voodoo
[09:04] <f_newton> lol yeah right
[09:04] <balistic22> f_newton is a netboot so bad
[09:05] <luminerd> he has me unplug mouse, turn off machine, unplug machine, plug in mouse, plug in machine, boot up machine and it worked OO!!!
[09:05] <benplaut> !enlightenment
[09:05] <ubotu> benplaut: Are you smoking crack?
[09:05] <f_newton> balistic22, can you use a cli web browser on your sarge?
[09:05] <benplaut> no, i'm not
[09:05] <balistic22> f_newton how can i find out
[09:05] <f_newton> apt-get install lynx
[09:06] <balistic22> on the ocmmand line
[09:06] <glick> thats fantastic Suse Pro will be a truely open community distro
[09:06] <glick> thats awesome
[09:06] <f_newton> then once its finished type lynx at the prompt
[09:07] <f_newton> yes balistic22
[09:07] <balistic22> OK
[09:07] <balistic22> LEts do this
[09:07] <f_newton> thats all you have is command line remember?
[09:07] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: ... you didn't start the machine with the mouse plugged in?
[09:07] <balistic22> yup
[09:07] <balistic22> cuz it says xwindows has an error
[09:07] <HrdwrBoB> luminerd: PS/2 is a hotplug protocol, but it's not supported by a lot of hardware
[09:07] <PurpleMotion> HrdwrBoB: yeah, i mapped him to /dev/psaux and rebooted him
[09:07] <balistic22> i need a network connection right
[09:08] <f_newton> PurpleMotion, do you know the deb syntax for installing the sarge gui?
[09:08] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, I didn't hotplug.
[09:08] <PurpleMotion> sarge gui???
[09:08] <luminerd> HrdwrBoB, I know you can't hotplug a ps/2
[09:08] <f_newton> xllr6-xorg or something?
[09:08] <luminerd> now I do anyway
[09:08] <luminerd> heh
[09:08] <f_newton> yeah an xserver\
[09:08] <PurpleMotion> oh i have no idea
[09:08] <f_newton> i cant remember
[09:08] <f_newton> argh
[09:08] <PurpleMotion> add the sarge repository to your sources.list, update, then apt-get install -testing whatever
[09:08] <PurpleMotion> *shrug*
[09:08] <f_newton> PurpleMotion, balistic22 is running cli version of sarge and he wants a gui
[09:09] <PurpleMotion> apt-get install x-window-system
[09:09] <sward> is there any listing of apt repositories that work well with ubuntu hoary?
[09:09] <PurpleMotion> i think
[09:09] <f_newton> ok ... balistic did you read that?
[09:10] <f_newton> are you still here?
[09:10] <balistic22> yes
[09:10] <balistic22> im here
[09:10] <benplaut> sward: what ubotu just told you are the safe ones
[09:10] <PurpleMotion> lemme know what that does for ya
[09:10] <balistic22> apt-get install x-window-system
[09:10] <PurpleMotion> actually
[09:10] <balistic22> is that what i should do
[09:10] <balistic22> or should i do the browser
[09:10] <PurpleMotion> apt-get install x-window<then hit TAB twice and get a lit>
[09:10] <PurpleMotion> and tell me what the sane options are
[09:10] <sward> benplaut: thanks =)
[09:11] <f_newton> try this .... in the command line as root now.... type apt-get install x-window-system
[09:11] <benplaut> 'welcome :)
[09:11] <Chaotic_Reality> hi all. just installed ubuntu - i'm running it on a laptop and have an external monitor i would like to use along side. i did a bit of research and found that this can be done using fireglcontrol - an ati driver i think? is this possible with an ati radeon 9600?
[09:11] <f_newton> balistic22, do what PurpleMotion said
[09:11] <PurpleMotion> yes it is as long as there is a vga port ont he laptop
[09:11] <Chaotic_Reality> yeah there is
[09:12] <PurpleMotion> then it will work
[09:12] <balistic22> ok give me a sec
[09:12] <Chaotic_Reality> what do i need to do exactly PurpleMotion? by default if i plug it in it just mimics the main screen, doesn't 'extend' itself from the main one per se.
[09:13] <f_newton> you want to display two different signals from ON
[09:13] <f_newton> ???
[09:13] <PurpleMotion> there are settings in the fireglcontrol
[09:13] <Chaotic_Reality> is that something i can grab via apt-get?
[09:14] <PurpleMotion> do you have the firegl xorg driver installed?
[09:14] <Chaotic_Reality> i don't think so. i'm running off the default install of the cd at the moment...just got it set up
[09:14] <PurpleMotion> okay
[09:14] <PurpleMotion> this is an involved process
[09:14] <PurpleMotion> and if you can wait about ten minutes while i get luminerd squared away, I can get you right through it
[09:14] <Chaotic_Reality> sure
[09:14] <PurpleMotion> cool
[09:14] <Chaotic_Reality> i'll wait. thank you
[09:15] <Deanodriver> hi
[09:15] <Deanodriver> still setting up my new hdd
[09:16] <Deanodriver> how do i set it so that non-root users can write to it? :)
[09:16] <Deanodriver> in /etc/fstab
[09:16] <BeatYou> any feedback on this design? i know its unrelated to ubuntu - http://dev.clsafety.com/test.htm
[09:17] <Positron> is there a possibility to install a wifi card on ubuntu64 ?
[09:17] <desrt> do something less awful with the rollover on the top row of buttons
[09:17] <Positron> (which needs ndiswrapper)
[09:18] <BeatYou> desrt explain
[09:18] <desrt> wow. you're being a good boy with CSS
[09:18] <desrt> BeatYou; the graphical effect that occurs with the text jumping up is lame
[09:18] <desrt> it moves too far
[09:18] <BeatYou> ahh
[09:18] <balistic22> wait was the command
[09:18] <BeatYou> i can see that
[09:18] <desrt> are you doing css background image offset rollovers?
[09:18] <BeatYou> yes sir
[09:18] <desrt> l33t :)
[09:19] <BeatYou> http://dev.clsafety.com/images/main_nav.png
[09:19] <desrt> heh.
[09:19] <BeatYou> i <3 css
[09:19] <desrt> one image too. interesting
[09:19] <desrt> i always used separate images
[09:19] <desrt> but one is totally valid
[09:19] <BeatYou> indeed
[09:19] <Positron> someone installed ubuntu64 and ndiswrapper ?
[09:19] <desrt> probably more economical, even
[09:19] <BeatYou> desrt, less file size perhabs, dont have to worry about preloading a bunch of images
[09:19] <desrt> i'm sure filesize(onebigimage) < filesize(1) + filesize(2) .. + filesize(n
[09:20] <airox> Anybody got an idea on how to make firefox startup faster ?
[09:20] <desrt> BeatYou; well.. the general concept behind the offset method is to auto-preload without using evil hacks
[09:20] <BeatYou> yea
[09:20] <airox> Like konqueror :)
[09:20] <desrt> BeatYou; so you get preload for free no matter what
[09:20] <BeatYou> css is the future!!!
[09:20] <BeatYou> heh
[09:20] <desrt> :)
[09:20] <desrt> css is the present
[09:20] <desrt> IE is the past
[09:20] <xav> hi.. does someone know when xkb will be repaired in breezy ??
[09:20] <desrt> xav; daniel does :)
[09:21] <BeatYou> well... considering 95% (estimate heh) of sites now are running with a table layout design... css is not the present
[09:21] <desrt> xav; or maybe infinity
[09:21] <BeatYou> cause no one knows about it
[09:21] <desrt> xav; but i don't recommend asking... just wait :)
[09:21] <xav> desrt: who's daniel ?
[09:21] <Madpilot> BeatYou: looks good, but the "Go" button is a bit odd looking, at least in Opera 8.02 in Hoary
[09:21] <desrt> one of the guys who hacks X on ubuntu
[09:21] <airox> BeatYou: or people don't use it (yet) because of all the quirks ;)
[09:21] <BeatYou> Madeye, yup, Opera doens't know how to render png24 yet :[
[09:21] <xav> desrt: is he french or something ?
[09:21] <desrt> no. austrilian
[09:21] <desrt> *a
[09:21] <BeatYou> airox: there are no quirks on the fault of css itself... its the browsers that have the quirks
[09:22] <Madpilot> BeatYou: png24? Opera's support for regular png is pretty good
[09:22] <xav> desrt: okay thanks, still a matter of time :)
[09:22] <desrt> xav; why'd you ask if he was french? :)
[09:22] <BeatYou> Madeye: yes it is, but not the alpha transparancy of png's
[09:22] <xav> desrt: because i am :)
[09:22] <BeatYou> im gong to switch that to a gif soon
[09:22] <Madeye> BeatYou, focus! it's Madpilot who's asking not madeye, however we are both MAD so be careful..!!!
[09:23] <Madpilot> BeatYou: I've done transparent pngs that work fine in Opera. see here: www.warbard.ca/blur - the Blur logo is all png w/ trans.
[09:23] <Madeye> :-)
[09:23] <Madpilot> Madeye: not the first time that's happened... ;)
[09:23] <desrt> xav; ah.
[09:23] <BeatYou> interesting... with alppha transparancy Madpilot
[09:23] <BeatYou> ?
[09:23] <airox> BeatYou: Yep, so why use CSS now ? :)
[09:24] <xav> desrt: thought maybe i can push him toward repairing xkb :)... but if he's austrian
[09:24] <BeatYou> airox: because people have to be trailblazers, trendsetters if you will
[09:24] <Madpilot> BeatYou: not really, just the GIMP's basic transparency
[09:24] <airox> BeatYou: ;)
[09:24] <desrt> xav; i doubt he'd consider nationality to be an important influencer
[09:24] <Madpilot> airox: because CSS is far, far more elegant that table hacks!
[09:24] <BeatYou> airox: table layouts are truly junk, they were first made to get around browsers lack of css, now that browsers support css, WHY use tables?
[09:25] <BeatYou> take a look at my code... compare it to a table layout code... see a file size differnece
[09:25] <Madpilot> and the layout parts of CSS are one of the better supported parts, even by IE. Unless you're using "fixed" of course...
[09:25] <xav> desrt: no but i can express myself more elegantly and be more persuasive in french :)
[09:25] <BeatYou> ESPN switched to a css design and saves over 7TB/year in bandwidth
[09:25] <desrt> heh
[09:25] <desrt> maybe he speaks it :)
[09:25] <airox> Yeah, CSS rocks. But it sucks that browsers still haven't fixed some issues. :(
[09:25] <xav> desrt: because this is the only thing broken which really annoys me
[09:26] <Madpilot> BeatYou: when I swapped my main site over to pure CSS, one page shrank by 30%+
[09:26] <xav> desrt: no shift, no functions keys, no special keys
[09:26] <BeatYou> Madpilot I wouldnt doubt that for a second
[09:26] <Madpilot> airox: most of them have, it's just IE that really sucks
[09:26] <xav> desrt: at least the layout is still good
[09:26] <Madpilot> !lart IE6
[09:26] <Madpilot> !good bot
[09:26] <ubotu> :)
[09:26] <LinuxDolt> ahhh! much nicer having blue_planet back on my desktop background again... i really should go tweak fstab a little more, my ntfs volumes are being mounted rw...
[09:26] <BeatYou> airox: dont worry, IE is finally listening to the internet community and supporting w3c stands, IE7 has full css2 and hopefuly css3 support
[09:27] <luminerd> what's the command to start my dhcp?
[09:27] <BeatYou> css3 will be soooo sweet by the way
[09:27] <airox> BeatYou: IE 7 will not pass the acid test though :(
[09:28] <BeatYou> airox: the IE7 development blog mentioned it before i think
[09:28] <holysmokes> luminerd: dhclient3 iface
[09:28] <f_newton> look guys as long as open source is around bill will grab it slap a ms face on it and call it his
[09:28] <airox> But well ... if you can make it look the same with 30% of the code...
[09:28] <burnboyy> does anyone know of a functional mp3 player for gnome?
[09:28] <balistic22> f_newton ugh this is killing me
[09:28] <LinuxDolt> also... isn't it a bad idea to have /boot permanently mounted? yet, when i try to unmount it, ubuntu complains that it's in use
[09:28] <airox> burnboyy: xmms ?
[09:28] <Chaotic_Reality> burnboyy, xmms is pretty popular
[09:28] <f_newton> yeah you need to take a break kid
[09:28] <Madpilot> airox: very few browsers actualy *pass* acid2. the point is mostly to see how gracefully they fail right now...
[09:28] <orac7000> burnboyy: xmms + gxmms
[09:28] <burnboyy> alright thanks airox, i'll check it out
[09:28] <holysmokes> burnboyy: beep-media-player is similar to xmms, but written for gtk2
[09:28] <BeatYou> airox: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/07/29/445242.aspx
[09:29] <orac7000> burnboyy: gxmms is a gnome panel applet so you can control xmms
[09:29] <luminerd> holysmokes, thanks, but no cigar
[09:29] <desrt> embrace muine
[09:29] <holysmokes> luminerd: you're trying to enable dhcp for a particular network interface, correct?
[09:29] <desrt> i'd love to go into a page-long rant about why xmms is really just awful
[09:29] <desrt> and how it's 2005 now
[09:29] <desrt> and how you should really just use muine
[09:29] <luminerd> holysmokes, I am just trying to get online
[09:30] <holysmokes> luminerd: this is an ethernet interface?
[09:30] <luminerd> the 10/100 ethernet cable's plugged in
[09:30] <desrt> but i won't :)
[09:30] <Madpilot> desrt: nice evangalizing!
[09:30] <luminerd> holysmokes, yes 10/100
[09:30] <desrt> Madpilot; :)
[09:30] <holysmokes> luminerd: is it the only network interface present in the machine?
[09:30] <burnboyy> i just started using linux about 3 hours ago
[09:30] <burnboyy> this is a nice GUI
[09:30] <luminerd> holysmokes, yes, should be
[09:31] <luminerd> burnboyy, what gui?
[09:31] <luminerd> gnome?
[09:31] <burnboyy> ya
[09:31] <holysmokes> luminerd: try 'dhclient3 eth0'
[09:31] <burnboyy> i've never used any linux
[09:31] <burnboyy> the ubuntu version is so easy
[09:31] <Madpilot> burnboyy: welcome to the Light Side, then! ;)
[09:31] <luminerd> burnboyy, once you know more about linux, find out about e17. it's the most beautiful gui ever...tops mac imho
[09:31] <burnboyy> accept installing software.... doesn't seem there are executables, so what do you do with binaries?
[09:31] <selinium> I am copying a DVD using dd if=/dev/cdrom1 of=Blue_Planet_Disc_1.iso bs=16M I have left it running over night, but it has only done 784.0 MB. Any ideas?
[09:32] <Madpilot> ubotu tell burnboyy about synaptic
[09:32] <luminerd> holysmokes, it worked!
[09:32] <balistic22> ubotu
[09:32] <balistic22> is that a bot?
[09:32] <holysmokes> luminard: sorry, i should have clarified that by 'iface' i meant the network interface in question :)
[09:32] <Madpilot> !ubotu
[09:32] <ubotu> from memory, ubotu is uh... Thaaat's me! I'm a bot. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add".
[09:33] <balistic22> hey ubotu tell me about synaptic package manager
[09:33] <balistic22> not that i dont know
[09:33] <holysmokes> you kids have it so easy.. package management
[09:33] <burnboyy> cool, still is GUI
[09:33] <Madpilot> ubotu tell balistic22 about list
[09:34] <balistic22> ugh..
[09:34] <Madpilot> balistic22: that'll get you a list of all ubotu's commands
[09:34] <balistic22> ohh ok
[09:34] <balistic22> ubotu list
[09:34] <ubotu> list is, like, at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[09:34] <balistic22> gangsta
[09:34] <balistic22> ubotu netboot
[09:34] <ubotu> well, netboot is a method of installing Ubuntu over a network. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/Netboot
[09:34] <balistic22> haha
[09:34] <balistic22> ubuto women
[09:35] <balistic22> LOL
[09:35] <balistic22> haha
[09:35] <balistic22> ok sorry..
[09:35] <Madpilot> balistic22: you can /msg ubotu <foo> for private chat
[09:35] <balistic22> awesome
[09:36] <balistic22> ok you know im going to do this motherefing net boot install
[09:37] <balistic22> HOW DO I LOAD A NETBOOT FROM THE COMPUTER IM INSTALLING UBUNTU
[09:37] <balistic22> do in eed a floppy
[09:37] <balistic22> IS there a god.. out there that can help me.. and let me go to sleep
[09:37] <balistic22> because i need to figure this outttt
[09:38] <balistic22> ok..
[09:39] <f_newton> balistic ... let me scroll up
[09:39] <f_newton> I was reading the comics
[09:39] <aru> balistic22: did you ask google?
[09:39] <balistic22> f_newton oman i cant sleep till i get ubuntu on htat freaking comp
[09:39] <aru> balistic22: try going to www.google.com and type in the phrase ubuntu net install
[09:39] <balistic22> aru i have
[09:40] <f_newton> well you are gonna get mighty tired I tell ya
[09:40] <BeatYou-AFK> Madpilot; does this generate that funny looking transparancy? http://dev.clsafety.com/test.htm
[09:40] <BeatYou-AFK> i changed it to a JPG
[09:41] <f_newton> balistic do me a favor will ya? type uname in the command line and paste the results to rafb.net/paste
[09:41] <Madpilot> BeatYou: yeah, the "Go" button on the left still looks odd. the big nav bar works tho
[09:41] <Madpilot> do you want me to post a screenshot?
[09:41] <sward> Anyone here familiar with APIC/ACPI?
[09:41] <BeatYou> Madeye: that is really pissing me off, its a JPG i dont know why it looks weird
[09:41] <bob2> sward: best to just ask your question
[09:41] <balistic22> umm f_newton remember its on another laptop nad i odnt have a gui or anything
[09:41] <BeatYou> Madeye: that would be aweomse
[09:42] <BeatYou> arggghh
[09:42] <f_newton> lol you never got lynx running?
[09:42] <BeatYou> Madpilot: a screenshot would be grat
[09:42] <balistic22> and the output is linux
[09:42] <balistic22> lol
[09:42] <balistic22> thats all it said
[09:42] <balistic22> linux
[09:42] <balistic22> wait how do i donwload lynx again
[09:42] <balistic22> tell me ill do it now
[09:42] <Madpilot> BeatYou: OK, just a minute
[09:42] <f_newton> apt-get install lynx
[09:42] <Madpilot> balistic22: use "uname -a" to get more stuff
[09:42] <sward> My system clock is running 2x normal speed, on a turion based laptop. Googling showed that a workaround is to use noapictimer, but that makes my cpu freeze during bootup =)
[09:43] <bob2> sward: does booting with "noapic" work? are you sure you passed the command line to the kernel correctly?
[09:43] <sward> noapic will not boot as well
[09:43] <f_newton> balistic22, I have about 15 minutes left
[09:43] <sward> and yes, I manually tried both of them through grub
[09:44] <sward> I already patched my DSDT, so I'm not getting any more ACPI errors
[09:44] <bob2> you're sure you passed it correctly?
[09:44] <bob2> when does it freeze?
[09:44] <sward> with noapic, it freezes during hotplug
[09:44] <sward> with noapictimer it freezes before it gets to any init scripts
[09:44] <balistic22> f_newton its nouse
[09:44] <sward> with the watchdog timer detecting a cpu halt
[09:45] <f_newton> balistic22, What did it say?
[09:45] <balistic22> unable to fetch archive
[09:45] <f_newton> why?
[09:45] <killapop> hi... how does one open a .bin file -- stoopid noob q
[09:45] <balistic22> i dunno i have it connected to the internet
[09:45] <f_newton> ah its pointed to the web not the cd
[09:45] <sward> I'm also getting a ton of APIC error on CPU0: 40(40)
[09:45] <balistic22> but its not like
[09:45] <balistic22> doign anything
[09:45] <sward> in dmesg
[09:45] <bob2> killapop: read the instructions that came with it
[09:46] <balistic22> it says looking at debian mirror ... etc..
[09:46] <balistic22> and it doesnt move from tehre
[09:46] <balistic22> then bash
[09:46] <f_newton> duh yer right balistic22 I forgot you cant read from the cdrom
[09:46] <balistic22> oh yeah
[09:46] <glick> does anyone here run a dedicated smoothwall firewall?
[09:46] <f_newton> ok lets get your usb working then
[09:46] <balistic22> how do we do that
[09:46] <killapop> bob2: ummmm all i have is a .bin file..... no instructions - im trying to install jre and downloaded it from the sun site
[09:46] <bob2> killapop: so, don't do that
[09:46] <bob2> killapop: wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[09:46] <bob2> glick: #smoothwall, presumably
[09:46] <aru> killapop: did you try synaptic?
[09:47] <bob2> or #ipcop if you don't want to send them money
[09:47] <Madpilot> BeatYou: here you go http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3442/cltest2jh.png
[09:47] <killapop> bob2: coolio thanks
[09:47] <killapop> bob2: i tried searching apt-cache but no luck
[09:47] <traveller> i'm trying to install w32codecs on ubuntu amd64 but it's not in any of the repos
[09:47] <f_newton> we are going to have to wait til tomorrow I fear... I am going to have to go in 12minutes
[09:47] <killapop> bob2: will try synaptic
[09:47] <BeatYou> Madpilot: oh god.... i made a huge newbie mistake haha
[09:47] <bob2> killapop: yes, read that wiki page
[09:47] <killapop> bob2: thanks
[09:47] <bob2> java of course isn't in ubuntu
[09:48] <bob2> traveller: yes, that won't work
[09:48] <traveller> does anyone know where i can get w32codecs?
[09:48] <BeatYou> that is the text "GO" not the image, i forgot to do an image replace on that
[09:48] <aru> !tell traveller about mp3
[09:48] <f_newton> hey balistic22 try this... type lynx in the command line it may alredy be loaded
[09:48] <bob2> traveller: they're windows i386 dlls. how would they run in a amd64-compiled binary?
[09:48] <bob2> (hint: they won't)
[09:48] <f_newton> wait
[09:48] <Madpilot> BeatYou: I thought that's what it looked like. haven't looked at the code at all!
[09:48] <balistic22> f_newton yeah?
[09:48] <f_newton> we dont have you hooked to the web yet
[09:48] <f_newton> lol
[09:48] <bob2> if you really want them, make a i386 chroot, or hope that mplayer works with ia32-libs
[09:48] <BeatYou> Madpilot: thanks for the screen though
[09:48] <f_newton> I am losing it tonight
[09:48] <f_newton> lol
[09:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> does anyone know a good IRC bot i could base a bot on?
[09:48] <Madpilot> BeatYou: does that not display like that on other browsers?
[09:48] <BeatYou> Kamping_Kaiser eggdrop ?
[09:48] <balistic22> f_newton lol yeah lynx dont work
[09:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> BeatYou: thanks I'll look at it
[09:49] <traveller> bob2: ok, i'm obviously missing something. what do i do to be able to play wmv files?
[09:49] <f_newton> what kind of internet connection do you have for the laptop?
[09:49] <BeatYou> Madpilot: for some reason the image replacement method im using does not work on buttons in anything but firefox
[09:49] <aru> balistic22: between you and me, maybe you should install windows98
[09:49] <bob2> traveller: no idea
[09:49] <f_newton> lol
[09:49] <Doonz> k i have 512 ram in my system my mobo is dual channel capable what improvement would i get if i got another 512 stick?
[09:49] <balistic22> cable_fnewton
[09:49] <bob2> traveller: if you care about binary-only junk like windows dlls, tho, you'd want to be running i386 ubuntu
[09:49] <aru> traveller: follow that link that ubotu sent you
[09:49] <f_newton> ok so you have a nic on the lappy?
[09:49] <Madpilot> BeatYou: yeah, I just checked in FF, it looks OK. aren't browsers fun?
[09:50] <balistic22> yup
[09:50] <BeatYou> Madpilot: dunno if "fun" is the correct word
[09:50] <f_newton> is it plugged in?
[09:50] <davro> just setup ubuntu on mini-itx with two nic's, eth0 as red external, eth1 green internal, using firestarter, dhcp, the hosts on the green nic are taking the dhcp, but i have no idea howto setup the host dns.
[09:50] <balistic22> yup
[09:50] <balistic22> the router gets the signal
[09:50] <f_newton> ok we do have internet then
[09:50] <balistic22> yeah
[09:50] <bob2> davro: "host dns"?
[09:50] <traveller> aru: i've been there, there's nothing about windows format in amd64
[09:50] <floppyears> hi
[09:50] <Madpilot> BeatYou: I'd get kicked from here if I used a more honest word... ;)
[09:50] <BeatYou> heh
[09:50] <balistic22> when i take it out
[09:50] <balistic22> it says
[09:50] <traveller> well at least i tried w32codecs but it doesn't work
[09:50] <bob2> traveller: does mplayer with ffmpeg play them?
[09:50] <balistic22> lost link beat
[09:50] <davro> dns for the hosts on the green nic.
[09:50] <balistic22> then i plug it back in and it says found link beast
[09:50] <floppyears> is there a website similar to debian-administration.org but for ubuntu ?
[09:50] <bob2> traveller: i386 windows will not work, sorry
[09:51] <bob2> davro: you don't need to do anything special
[09:51] <f_newton> balistic22, type this ifconfigup eth0 is that right y'all?
[09:51] <aru> traveller: I know nothing about this amd64 crap, I use a normal computer
[09:51] <bob2> davro: assuming your dhcp server is configured to point them at your isp's nameservers
[09:51] <traveller> bob2: hold on, i'll grab a video and try
[09:51] <bob2> aru: er, attitude please
[09:51] <aru> bob2: stated a fact, judgement please
[09:52] <bob2> aru: er, no, sorry
[09:52] <balistic22> bash
[09:52] <balistic22> ifconfigup eth0
[09:52] <f_newton> balistic22, ifconfig up eth0
[09:53] <floppyears> anybody ?
[09:53] <balistic22> ok we got something
[09:53] <balistic22> somethings happening
[09:53] <f_newton> yeah
[09:54] <f_newton> yer being connected
[09:54] <f_newton> it gives you a dns address right?
[09:54] <balistic22> host name failure
[09:54] <liable> bob2: could you please kill a couple of onjoin bots in debian? (umit and life)
[09:54] <balistic22> wtf..
[09:54] <balistic22> problem after problem
[09:54] <f_newton> are you plugged in?
[09:54] <f_newton> make sure now
[09:54] <balistic22> ok hold on
[09:54] <davro> ok, i have the dhcp, on the firewall the isp seems to set up the firewall dns but not the host on the green
[09:54] <davro> host=hosts
[09:55] <BeatYou> Madpilot: you mind checking this again? I think i have fixed it http://dev.clsafety.com/test.htm
[09:55] <balistic22> yeahi m plugged in but im not getting much of a signal
[09:55] <sm0ketst> just a question, which are the default native gcc compilers installed in the last release?
[09:56] <balistic22> f_newton is there a way to load the cd rom drive that would save us the trouble'
[09:56] <SDr> hi
[09:56] <balistic22> when i plugged in the cd rom drive it said a bunch of info on it
[09:56] <balistic22> so it did notice it installed
[09:56] <YuWeiW> hi all, is that support athero wireless chipset?
[09:56] <f_newton> yes you could get the right cdrom n cable for your laptop from ebay so that you could boot from it
[09:56] <hayden> does iTunes run under wine, and if so to what extent does it run?
[09:56] <SDr> I'm looking for a popup/banner/ad killer for firefox, something similiar to admuncher would be nice
[09:57] <balistic22> lol f_newton yeah i guess
[09:57] <YuWeiW> i mean in ubuntu
[09:57] <f_newton> ok then you did get it to recognize it
[09:57] <balistic22> do you know where i can find a windows 98 boot disk
[09:57] <f_newton> it told you what dev it was right?
[09:57] <balistic22> i have an idea
[09:57] <hayden> balistic22, bootdisks.com
[09:57] <f_newton> it said /dev/something/something/
[09:57] <f_newton> ??
[09:58] <burnboyy> sweet i got xmms working
[09:58] <balistic22> it said DVDR Plexor model blah blah Usbcore
[09:58] <nekohayo> YuWeiW, it should be. I'd like to be sure too however
[09:59] <f_newton> well we need to find the /dev/device/location so we can eject/open it and put in a cdrom
[09:59] <sward> Anyone know a tool to track down non user space processor usage?
[09:59] <f_newton> dev/mnt/sda/cdrom or something
[09:59] <YuWeiW> nekohayo, thanks i just got a TP-LINK tl-wn550g wireless pci card. so wanna make sure that
[09:59] <f_newton> I dont know
[09:59] <traveller> bob2: the wmv files play, but the asf does not. i also noticed that when i make it full screen, it doesn't scale the video to fit the screen, instead the video size stays the same
[10:00] <f_newton> I am so lucky that my hardware works so well
[10:00] <f_newton> :)
[10:00] <floppyears> hi
[10:00] <floppyears> what's the latest ubuntu kernel with customizations ?
[10:00] <PurpleMotion> bb in 40 mins
[10:01] <knowledge> version
[10:01] <knowledge> GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time
[10:01] <knowledge> reference
[10:01] <rover_dan> hi, your guys. when i run "make install" , there were some warnning msg like strip: Warning: Output file cannot represent architecture UNKNOWN! the software i built is rarelly used and there is no unique mailing list and no irc. my syetem is Breezy , gcc-4.02. any idea?
[10:01] <knowledge> anyone know what this means?
[10:01] <knowledge> rover_dan,
[10:01] <knowledge> are you doing 'make' prior?
[10:02] <rover_dan> knowledge, of coz i did
[10:02] <knowledge> cool well I'm out of ideas for you
[10:03] <rover_dan> knowledge, anyway, thanks :)
[10:04] <luminerd> is there any way to figure out, through terminal only, what resolution of X is currently running?
[10:04] <knowledge> anyone know what my error is all about?
[10:04] <balistic22> heh heh.. oh right..
[10:04] <balistic22> Im outta here guys
[10:04] <rover_dan> i guesst it's due to the GUN srtip. is it in package of binutils?
[10:04] <Madpilot> later, balistic22
[10:05] <balistic22> TAKE IT EASY KIDS
[10:05] <geneo93> compile it with older gcc
[10:05] <balistic22> DONT STAY UP TOOLATE
[10:05] <balistic22> GOD MY HEAD IS KILLING ME
[10:05] <balistic22> Im gonna dream command lines
[10:05] <luminerd> balistic22, I always do anyway
[10:05] <balistic22> l
[10:05] <balistic22> loll
[10:05] <rover_dan> i build the software for my x86 box , no cross-compiling
[10:06] <shakuhashi> what is the problem with the turn off of the ubuntu? taking more than 7minutes to hang off after the user select it?
[10:07] <shakuhashi> I did test with more than 80 machines in a course of Ubuntu we did..
[10:07] <muk_amd64> hey sup
[10:08] <muk_amd64> once you import songs into muine, how do you take them back out?
[10:09] <glick> hey dooes anyone know how to enter the bios of an old compaq presariou
[10:09] <glick> i inherited 400mhz p2 with 128 megs ram
[10:09] <chrisq> is there no xmodmap in breezy xbase-clients?
[10:10] <chrisq> any ideas where it went?
[10:10] <Madpilot> muk_amd64: wish I knew. I've got stuff I've deleted (in Nautilus) still showing up in Muine's listings...
[10:12] <Madpilot> wow, big netsplit. who survived?
[10:12] <Doonz> when should you add more ram to a system mines always sitting at 510 outta 512
[10:12] <f_newton> well its past my bedtime folks... see y'all later in the morning
[10:12] <Doonz> should i add another 512
[10:13] <crispynix-v6> Doonz: that depends -- how much of it is cached and buffered? linux tries to always use physical ram as much as possible
[10:13] <Doonz> Mem: 516500k total, 460608k used, 55892k free, 14064k buffers
[10:14] <Doonz> Swap: 0k total, 0k used, 0k free, 213912k cached
[10:14] <crispynix-v6> Doonz: type 'free' and look at cached
[10:14] <Doonz> total used free shared buffers cached
[10:14] <Doonz> Mem: 516500 466064 50436 0 14280 215632
[10:14] <Doonz> -/+ buffers/cache: 236152 280348
[10:14] <Doonz> Swap: 0 0 0
[10:14] <nekohayo> wow nice respawn
[10:15] <crispynix-v6> Doonz: so, ~215MB cached -- that can be freed up for more important stuff when necessary
[10:15] <Doonz> ok
[10:15] <Doonz> also quik question
[10:15] <Doonz> my mobo is dual channel capable
[10:15] <nekohayo> hey do any of you know games that were released in a context similar to enemy territory, besides enemy territory? just curious
[10:15] <Doonz> should i do that?
[10:16] <nekohayo> (context: free for linux)
[10:16] <Madpilot> Doonz: if you buy a 2nd stick you might as well
[10:16] <Doonz> will i see a huge performance increase>
[10:16] <Doonz> or nothing really
[10:17] <Doonz> i mean
[10:17] <Doonz> a noticible increase or not really
[10:17] <crispynix-v6> you'll probably notice a difference just by adding more RAM
[10:18] <Doonz> ok
[10:18] <floppyears> hi
[10:18] <Doonz> and i was thinking of putting in a fx5200 card
[10:18] <floppyears> I have a quick question
[10:18] <floppyears> by looking at http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=kernel-source&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all
[10:18] <floppyears> I see that the kernel-source-2.6.11-7 has debian patches
[10:18] <Doonz> cause im only using a gf2
[10:18] <floppyears> are these the only patches and/or costumization ? or has ubuntu added their own ?
[10:19] <crispynix-v6> the FX should improve 2D performance if that's what you're trying to do
[10:19] <paulfox> has anyone here used google maps api to create a custom map? i want to create one, but don't know where to get the coordinates from
[10:19] <paulfox> sorry, off topic i know
[10:21] <Xyc0> So what is this crap that Mozilla is trying to make money off our Firefox?
[10:21] <crispynix-v6> Xyc0: "our Firefox?" WTH are you, anyays? :p
[10:22] <The_Vox> Xyc0: how many lines of code do you have in FF?
[10:22] <Xyc0> none
[10:22] <Xyc0> Does that make it less ours?
[10:22] <Madpilot> Xyc0: huh?
[10:22] <The_Vox> Xyc0: 99% of the firefox/mozilla coders are paid by the mozilla foundation...it needs to get money to pay them.
[10:22] <floppyears> anybody know if there is a difference between the debian kernels and the ubuntu kernels ?
[10:22] <crispynix-v6> yes, since you can't claim copyright on any code in it
[10:22] <Tomcat_> No matter what Mozilla does with Firefox, it will still be ours.
[10:23] <Tomcat_> Because the code is on a free license, they can't change that.
[10:23] <Xyc0> They are obiously trying
[10:23] <Xyc0> good point tho Tomcat_
[10:23] <Tomcat_> Well they can try changing it for newer releases...
[10:23] <The_Vox> Xyc0: they are *already* making money...the corporation thing is just to be able to keep making money without incurring in tax problems, because the foundation is a non-proffit
[10:23] <Tomcat_> I'm only talking about the current source.
[10:24] <Tomcat_> I think you are right calling it "our firefox" because it's on a free license... but if the Mozilla Foundation stops releasing it... well that's certainly their right. :o
[10:24] <Xyc0> They need to start compiling for M$ more efficiently if they plan on selling that
[10:24] <The_Vox> Xyc0: every time anybody buys a t-shirt or coffee cup or whatever with the FF logo or the mozilla logo, the MozFoundation gets money from the sale.
[10:24] <The_Vox> Xyc0: they are *not* going to sell the program
[10:24] <Tomcat_> "compiling more efficiently"?
[10:25] <crispynix-v6> a corporation owned by a non-profit is kinda weird; usually it's the other way around AFAIK. Hopefully it stays that way ;o
[10:25] <Xyc0> Anyone here use Moox?
[10:25] <The_Vox> Xyc0: they are going to sell more t-shirts, coffee cups and other crap like that...and support services for enterprises.
[10:25] <The_Vox> crispynix-v6: yes, it's weird...but I also hope it stays the way it is too :)
[10:25] <The_Vox> Xyc0: and that last one is the reason why they incorporated the corporation, I'm betting.
[10:25] <nekohayo> I don't see the problem (yet) of mozilla being a corporation under a mozilla foundation.
[10:26] <The_Vox> nekohayo: neither do I
[10:26] <nekohayo> I mean
[10:26] <Xyc0> The_Vox: the last one what?
[10:26] <nekohayo> if they get evil out of nowhere
[10:26] <nekohayo> we just take the code and run.
[10:26] <nekohayo> where's the problem? XD
[10:26] <The_Vox> never seen a section in the GPL or MPL that says you can't make money from the code...hell, FSF sells emacs CDs for 150USDlls
[10:27] <nekohayo> true.
[10:27] <The_Vox> Xyc0: <The_Vox> Xyc0: they are going to sell more t-shirts, coffee cups and other crap like that...and support services for enterprises. <---- that last one...support services
[10:27] <Xyc0> That is good to hear if it is true
[10:27] <nekohayo> yeah, like how to get rid of the big blue E on your desktop I guess
[10:27] <The_Vox> and I think GCC costs over 300USDlls
[10:27] <nekohayo> mwahaha
[10:27] <crispynix-v6> GPL doesn't mean that everyone gets the code, only people who acquire binaries (whether they were paid for or not)
[10:27] <The_Vox> lol, nekohayo
[10:27] <nekohayo> Xyc0, how the he... do you want them to turn evil?
[10:27] <Xyc0> I got the impression they were gonna charge for a PROFESSIONAL edition or something
[10:28] <Xyc0> Worst idea ever from Suse
[10:28] <nekohayo> hmm... then people would make a fork quite fast I believe
[10:28] <The_Vox> Xyc0: I haven't seen any mention of anything like that.
[10:28] <nekohayo> Xyc0, guess what, suse is GOING OPEN
[10:28] <nekohayo> :P
[10:28] <Xyc0> going open?
[10:28] <crispynix-v6> as in Fedora open
[10:28] <The_Vox> nekohayo: probably...problem is...there's only 3 or 4 people that aren't being paid by the moz foundation to work on firefox, out of the whole team.
[10:28] <traveller> there's a small beep sound from my speakers when i press a key, is there a way i can get rid of that?
[10:29] <nekohayo> yeah... osnews.com and slashdot.org related to opensuse.org
[10:29] <nekohayo> today or yesterday in the news
[10:29] <Xyc0> thats cool, didn't know that
[10:29] <Xyc0> Im still sticking with Ubuntu
[10:29] <nekohayo> I don't _dislike_ suse.. just like ubuntu better :P
[10:29] <Xyc0> nothing like rpm hell to ruin your distro
[10:29] <nekohayo> suse was my distro of choice before
[10:29] <The_Vox> nekohayo: there has never been much involvment by non-foundation coders in either mozilla nor firefox
[10:29] <The_Vox> Xyc0: rpm hell is a myth.
[10:29] <nekohayo> ... hmm what's the difference between RPM hell and DEB hell, please?
[10:29] <DaZjorz> helloooo
[10:29] <Xyc0> Alot of debuging
[10:29] <DaZjorz> me = back :D
[10:30] <The_Vox> Xyc0: at least in modern distros
[10:30] <DaZjorz> from vacation ^^
[10:30] <nekohayo> seems exactly the same to me.
[10:30] <Xyc0> RPM hell is a bit more... herm... frequent then DEB
[10:30] <The_Vox> DaZjorz: jump from a roof, you are making me envious :P
[10:30] <DaZjorz> lol
[10:30] <The_Vox> Xyc0: again, not true, at least not in a modern distro.
[10:30] <Tomcat_> I never had deb hell... but often rpm hell.
[10:30] <nekohayo> don't know... you know, I installed suse personal before ubuntu
[10:30] <The_Vox> Tomcat_: stop sticking rpms into your distro by hand.
[10:30] <nekohayo> and what I realized was
[10:30] <Tomcat_> But that was probably because I hate SuSE. :)
[10:31] <nekohayo> 1- it was better. only one CD instead of 5... 2- you could get everything through repositories.
[10:31] <Tomcat_> The_Vox: Well what can you do if you need backports? At least deb backports work. :)
[10:31] <Xyc0> The_Vox: I am working from FC3
[10:31] <The_Vox> I don't like suse much...but I do support a couple of hundred rpm-based boxes (mandriva servers and desktops), and I've never gotten myself into rpmhell
[10:31] <The_Vox> Tomcat_: not always...remember FF 2 weeks ago.
[10:31] <Xyc0> The_Vox: The major problem was lack of a decent YUM interface
[10:32] <Tomcat_> I don't say rpm is inferior, I'm just saying I had more problems with it than with deb... but that could be for a hell of a lot of reasons.
[10:32] <nekohayo> The_Vox, same here, to me rpm and deb are exactly the same, as a end user
[10:32] <nekohayo> an*
[10:32] <The_Vox> Xyc0: I don't use suse...but urpmi is as good as the apt system any day of the week...and has a few things that the debian-based distros need to implement.
[10:32] <Xyc0> Raise your hand if you have gotten WINE working on a RPM box.
[10:32] <LinuxDolt> you wanna know the distro with the WORST package management? i love the distro to death, but gentoo's portage is hell on wheels
[10:32] <nekohayo> YOU worked too.
[10:32] <The_Vox> DaZjorz: I use it...good way to play Diablo :)
[10:33] <nekohayo> (Yast Online Udater)
[10:33] <nekohayo> LinuxDolt, why?
[10:33] <DaZjorz> The_Vox: Can I install Windows XP on VMWARE For Linux?
[10:33] <The_Vox> Xyc0: I used to play NWN is my desktop on mandriva
[10:33] <nekohayo> I mean, you do emerge firefox and that's it no?
[10:33] <DaZjorz> (i know I can)
[10:33] <nightswim> DaZjorz: yes
[10:33] <The_Vox> DaZjorz: yes, you can
[10:33] <LinuxDolt> nekohayo: why what? why do i say that portage is so horrible? because it is.
[10:33] <DaZjorz> The_Vox: But on VMWare for Windows, I can't do fullscreen things n my vmware.
[10:34] <The_Vox> Xyc0: using winex, that is. I never tried the free wine...it's crippled for the only thing I want it, that is, games.
[10:34] <DaZjorz> TheVox: Do I have that problem in VMWare for Linux too?
[10:34] <Amaranth> smeg 0.8 has reached feature parity with gmenu-simple-editor
[10:34] <nekohayo> LinuxDolt, I mean, you do emerge firefox and that's it no? doesn't it work almost the same as every other solution out there?
[10:34] <Amaranth> it can flip things on and off ;)
[10:34] <riki> hi
[10:34] <airox> DaZjorz: afaik, you can use fullscreen on both.
[10:34] <The_Vox> DaZjorz: I've never used vmware on windows...last time I used windows directly on HW was win95...waaaay before vmware existed :)
[10:34] <airox> DaZjorz: I got VMware fullscreen on both...
[10:34] <LinuxDolt> nekohayo: no, you do emerge firefox, get told that that mozilla is blocking it, so you unemerge mozilla, get told gnome depends on it
[10:35] <DaZjorz> airox: I can get VMWare to show me the virtual PC in fullscreen
[10:35] <The_Vox> DaZjorz: I can fullscreen my WXP virtual machine to play diablo on linux no problem
[10:35] <nekohayo> lol!
[10:35] <nekohayo> actually I remember apache and PHP are pretty dangerous to upgrade
[10:35] <DaZjorz> airox: But when I start a fullscreen thing n the virtual pc, it fails in vmware.
[10:35] <airox> hmm strange DaZjorz
[10:35] <riki> how do i know the gcc version was used to compile the kernel i'm using?
[10:35] <Amaranth> The_Vox, DaZjorz, airox: So nice to see VMWare has so many customers!
[10:35] <DaZjorz> maybe it is because of the version
[10:35] <Xyc0> The_Vox: It took me a minute to set up Wine on DEB systems. Red Hat has always been hesitent to support any knind of windows emulation or adaptation on linux.
[10:36] <airox> Amaranth: yep.
[10:36] <Amaranth> Must suck paying that much just to run diablo though.
[10:36] <DaZjorz> Amaranth: Guess so.
[10:36] <Xyc0> Cedega is worth every penny
[10:36] <airox> The_Vox: Can't cedega run diablo ? (just a qeustion0
[10:36] <DaZjorz> airox: Private? Want to ask you something about vmware.
[10:36] <The_Vox> Amaranth: I use it to do networking demonstrations for clients using linux virtual machines...and to play Diablo on my linux box :)
[10:36] <LinuxDolt> nekohayo: and then, once you FINALLY get all the blocks and dependancies figured out, you find out that the ebuild needs tweaking
[10:36] <DaZjorz> airox: Wrong channel here.
[10:36] <Amaranth> day by day cedega begins more and more worthless
[10:36] <nekohayo> hey people, I guess this is asked often.. but what does "feature freeze" mean in terms of reliability (not "it means no more new package submissions") ? does it mean that breezy should stop playing rodeo around august 11th and up?
[10:37] <nekohayo> LinuxDolt, and that there are conflicts in configuration files? XD
[10:37] <The_Vox> airox: you have to dump your X colordepth to 256 colors for it to work...and nothing is worth doing that :)
[10:37] <airox> hehe
[10:37] <The_Vox> airox: D2 does work, tho, or so I'm told...I don't play D2
[10:37] <airox> ah
[10:37] <Amaranth> nekohayo: It means (aside from X and GNOME) that work should turn to fixing bugs, not uploading new versions of things and new working on new features.
[10:37] <LinuxDolt> nekohayo: yep, once it finally finishes building you find out you have 20 different config files in /etc that need to be manually merged or discarded
[10:37] <Amaranth> err, and working on
[10:38] <The_Vox> Xyc0: I haven't used RH in years, and never used FC...but in mandriva/mandrake it's just a matter of "urpmi wine" and that's that.
[10:38] <nekohayo> so, theorically, the X thing should become um... quieter ?
[10:38] <Amaranth> nope, read what i said
[10:38] <nekohayo> (please don't hit me XD)
[10:38] <stiffler> can i watch vcd on my ubuntu system? im running it on a mac using linux
[10:38] <Amaranth> X isn't freezing with the rest of the system
[10:39] <LinuxDolt> i love the features and the theory of gentoo to death. but the implementation has a lot of crazy quircks
[10:39] <Amaranth> because if it froze at 7.0 RC0 we'd be screwed
[10:39] <Bateau> hey! i need help changing my screenressolution. its stuck on 640x480 :( any one know what to do?
[10:39] <The_Vox> Amaranth: why do you think cedega is more worthless every day? I mean...for gamers who want to play modern games, it's the only choice...I haven't been able to get any games newer than 2002 working under vmware
[10:39] <riki> how do i know the gcc version was used to compile the kernel i'm using?, somebody can help please?
[10:39] <Amaranth> The_Vox: WINE proper's DirectX support gets better every day.
[10:39] <nekohayo> why? from what I understand in your last sentence, you're telling me that even when gold breezy is out it will still get updates?
[10:39] <nekohayo> (Xorg)
[10:40] <Amaranth> nekohayo: no
[10:40] <The_Vox> Amaranth: DX support isn't the only thing that's needed for gaming...you need the support for the proprietary copy-protection crap that most games have.
[10:40] <nekohayo> sorry, misunderstood
[10:40] <Amaranth> nekohayo: but until 7.0 releases X is going to be rough
[10:40] <stiffler> can i watch vcd on my ubuntu system? im running it on a mac using linux
[10:40] <stiffler> can i watch vcd on my ubuntu system? im running it on a mac using linux
[10:40] <LinuxDolt> of course, ubuntu has it's share of crazy quirks too
[10:40] <Amaranth> The_Vox: There are other ways around that. :)
[10:40] <nekohayo> oh OK I just figured out RC0 = release candidate 0
[10:40] <Amaranth> stiffler: Please don't repeat yourself.
[10:41] <The_Vox> Amaranth: not if you want to be able to play multiplayer games...nocd cracks and similar taint the game so you can't play on most official game servers.
[10:41] <Xyc0> stiffler: meaning you are running Live Ubuntu?
[10:41] <Bateau> is there no one who can help me? there has to be a config i can run in a terminal or something :/
[10:41] <Chaotic_Reality> is there a way to restore an xconfig to the default config that ubuntu sets up after install? i messed it up and want it to revert to how it was when it was working if possible.
[10:41] <Amaranth> The_Vox: Removing the protections and making an ISO you can mount should do the trick though.
[10:41] <Xyc0> The_Vox: Virtual Disk Images
[10:41] <The_Vox> Bateau: base-config
[10:42] <LinuxDolt> or, at least, they feel like quirks to me, but i only have experience with meta-distributions like gentoo, so what i think are quirks may just be standard crap to go through with binary distros
[10:42] <Amaranth> Chaotic_Reality: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:42] <benplaut> goodnight everyone
[10:42] <Chaotic_Reality> thanks Amaranth
[10:42] <The_Vox> Amaranth: have tried that...at least blizzard's servers detect that kind of stuff and won't let you play
[10:42] <benplaut> !goodnight
[10:42] <ubotu> I don't know, benplaut
[10:42] <benplaut> shut up
[10:42] <DaZjorz> !goodnight
[10:42] <DaZjorz> ?
[10:42] <benplaut> hehe
[10:42] <Amaranth> The_Vox: There is no way they can detect it if done properly.
[10:42] <The_Vox> Xyc0: never managed to make it work with Diablo doing that.
[10:42] <Bateau> tahnx The_Vox :D i`ll try it
[10:43] <benplaut> saying goodnight to the bot :P
[10:43] <Amaranth> The_Vox: And legal ways of making those things work in WINE are being figured out.
[10:43] <benplaut> !lart ubotu
[10:43] <The_Vox> Amaranth: well...I've never found a crack that did it properly....and I'm not a coder, so I depend on others :)
[10:43] <Amaranth> haha, your processes just got switched to the lowest priority
[10:43] <Amaranth> The_Vox: Who said anything about a crack?
[10:44] <The_Vox> Amaranth: the day it can be done in wine legally, I'll drop cedega...till then, I like my warcraft3, my NWN and all my other games :)
[10:45] <The_Vox> Amaranth: if you are breaking the copy protection, it's a crack...unless it's done legally
[10:45] <Xyc0> The_Vox: Guild Wars works flawless
[10:45] <Xyc0> The_Vox: That is my Diablo 2 replacement
[10:46] <DaZjorz> The_Vox: Private?
[10:46] <Amaranth> I just need Continuum to work on Cedega or WINE and I can stop dual-booting.
[10:46] <The_Vox> DaZjorz: sure
[10:46] <Bateau> The_Vox, ok, i started what you said... now what? tasks?
[10:46] <athlon> has anyone tried installing / reinstalling apache2 lately ? the post-installation script wont work because of a dependancy problem
[10:47] <The_Vox> Xyc0: I got D2 for free....was a betatester back in the day
[10:47] <athlon> my apache config files just got hosed :-(
[10:47] <airox> :-(
[10:47] <Xyc0> The_Vox: Cool, I was a beta tester for Guild Wars, but so were alot of people.
[10:47] <Madpilot> !lamp
[10:47] <ubotu> [lamp] Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Hoary is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP
[10:48] <DaZjorz> !lampp
[10:48] <ubotu> Wish i knew, DaZjorz
[10:48] <Madpilot> athlon: see ubotu's post? ^^^
[10:48] <DaZjorz> !xampp
[10:48] <ubotu> DaZjorz: Are you smoking crack?
[10:48] <DaZjorz> dammit nooo +o(
[10:48] <athlon> Madpilot, yah
[10:48] <Madpilot> DaZjorz: only one "p" on lamp ;)
[10:48] <DaZjorz> why does it the bot know about lamp and not about LAMPP, XAMPP etc
[10:48] <DaZjorz> !xamp
[10:48] <ubotu> DaZjorz: I don't know, could you explain it?
[10:48] <LinuxDolt> i knew it lasted too long...
[10:48] <DaZjorz> there is lampp and xampp too
[10:49] <Madpilot> DaZjorz: because nobody's told ubotu about those yet
[10:49] <Madpilot> ubotu tell DaZjorz about list
[10:49] <DaZjorz> Madpilot: Thought that
[10:49] <ilba7r> any one had this problem with aptitude? using the gui for aptitude i got 16 broken packages and when i checked why it said some dependencies are broken while checking for the broken dependencies i found them all installed!!!!wierd
[10:49] <DaZjorz> -.-' does he know anything about list ;-D
[10:50] <Bateau> The_Vox, help me please :/ can i talk to you in msg?
[10:50] <The_Vox> Xyc0: I used to play D1 with the VP of blizzard north....he got me and a few other friends in the internal beta testing...there's even some characters and items in D2 named after a few of us :)
[10:50] <DaZjorz> brb
[10:50] <ondrej> mako: ping?
[10:50] <Madpilot> DaZjorz: the format for educating ubotu is "ubotu <foo> is <bar>" - a link into the Ubuntu wiki is a good thing to include
[10:50] <Despeeh> ilba have you tried to fix broken packages?
[10:50] <The_Vox> Bateau: I've not messed with base-config in a long time...and I'm not about to mess with it when I have a working box at the moment :) Explore in there and find the X configuration section
[10:51] <Bateau> :x
[10:51] <athlon> Madpilot, still doesnt work, same error message
[10:51] <Xyc0> The_Vox: Diablo 2 has wasted many hours of my life. I have a uber assasin I log on to keep from being deleted
[10:51] <Despeeh> Xyc0 did you have level 99 characters?
[10:51] <The_Vox> Xyc0: I never really got into D2....D1, on the other hand, is still my main vice
[10:52] <Despeeh> I played about 5 years D1 :)
[10:52] <Xyc0> The_Vox: I grew up in the "Gotta be Multiplayer" era of PC games.
[10:52] <athlon> Anyone interested in helping me reinstalling apache2 could check #flood
[10:52] <Bateau> is ther no one else that knows?
[10:52] <The_Vox> Despeeh: I'm still playing it...and I bought it 2 weeks after it was released :)
[10:52] <Xyc0> Despeeh: Yea I have a few lvl 99
[10:52] <Madpilot> athlon: hmmm, sorry, apache hasn't thrown any error msgs at me yet!
[10:53] <Despeeh> The_Vox you mean you still play D1?
[10:53] <The_Vox> Xyc0: D1 is multiplayer...4 players per game
[10:53] <Despeeh> ya i know
[10:53] <The_Vox> Despeeh: yup.
[10:53] <Despeeh> i have there also level 50 rogue in europe
[10:53] <Xyc0> The_Vox: But it was too easy to edit your character offline.
[10:53] <Despeeh> was 50 in year 1999 :) just searching my third obs/zod, but never find
[10:54] <Despeeh> i know , scanners cant tell nothing nowadays
[10:54] <The_Vox> Xyc0: I played legit characters at all times...and have a few pure characters too...I used to play only with people in Tony's Honorable Players List from A.G.D.
[10:54] <Despeeh> everyone has got all drg/zods : obs/zods and all warriors strange/hastes with max stats and everything
[10:54] <Despeeh> i have pure 46
[10:55] <Despeeh> i am one of dragons there
[10:55] <Despeeh> if ya know duke and guys
[10:55] <Amaranth> don't hide or anything, i didn't do that for a reason :P
[10:55] <athlon> Madpilot, hmm... wonder if its because of php 5. Do you use php and if yes, which version do you use
[10:55] <The_Vox> Xyc0: my proudest accomplishment was a multi-dotted lvl 38 BNM
[10:55] <Madpilot> athlon: php4 here, from Ubuntu's repos
[10:55] <The_Vox> Xyc0: and a lvl 24 ironman
[10:55] <Xyc0> That made no sence to me
[10:55] <Xyc0> sense*
[10:56] <nekohayo> you guys ARE aware that you're chatting over uberlevels diablo 1 characters in an ubuntu channel? XD
[10:56] <Despeeh> lvl 24 ironman is pretty good in D1
[10:56] <athlon> Madpilot, okay thanks...
[10:56] <Despeeh> ok lets quit talking about diablo :)
[10:56] <Madpilot> #ubuntu-offtopic - which isn't this channel...
[10:56] <The_Vox> Xyc0: BNM = Beyond Naked Mage...rules for BNM say that you have to use the worse equipment available at all times, and can't wear anything that's helpful...nothing but cursed items
[10:57] <Bateau> hey! i need help changing my screenressolution. its stuck on 640x480 :( any one know what to do?
[10:57] <The_Vox> nekohayo: yes...but it's almost 4am, gotta talk about something or go to bed...and I'm not sleepy yet lol!
[10:57] <nekohayo> hmmm... then get wobbly windows? XD
[10:57] <Madpilot> off to sleep, everyone. this getting up to work thing isn't any fun... :P
[10:57] <The_Vox> nekohayo: bah :P
[10:58] <The_Vox> ok, I guess I'll go play a couple of dlvls in diablo and then to sleep...arioshi ba all :)
[10:58] <Xyc0> Bateau: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto?highlight=%28Resolution%29
[10:59] <dade`> gnome-phone-manager: Depends: libgsmme1c102 (>= 1.10-5) but it is not installable
[10:59] <dade`> right ?
[10:59] <dade`> Depends: libsigc++-1.2-5c102 but it is not installable
[10:59] <dade`> E: Broken packages
[10:59] <Bateau> thanx Xyc0 :)
[10:59] <stjepan> heya
[10:59] <Xyc0> Bateau: Let us know if that doesn't help
[10:59] <stjepan> when I try to do sudo aptitude remove emacs-chess
[11:00] <stjepan> then there occurs error
[11:00] <MartenH> hey. is there a tool out there to detect movement in a webcam?
[11:00] <airox> Yes.
[11:00] <stjepan> it says: you must do dpkg --configure -a to correct problem
[11:00] <Xyc0> Like for security?
[11:01] <airox> There is a very comprehensive suite for security and movement detection.
[11:01] <stjepan> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[11:01] <Bateau> oki Xyc0 :) bbl
[11:01] <stjepan> :(
[11:01] <stjepan> and now I do dpkg --configure -a
[11:01] <Xyc0> Good old strong bad
[11:02] <nekohayo> Xyc0, parles FR?
[11:02] <stjepan> and it do long time this:
[11:02] <stjepan> Setting up emacs-chess (2.0b4-2) ...
[11:02] <stjepan> install/emacs-chess: Handling install for emacsen flavor emacs21, logging to /tmp/elc_EGTuQ3.log
[11:02] <stjepan> :(
[11:02] <RedLine_> My gnome is freezing after I login. This happend when i have changed my CD-RW. I have tryed to switch them back, to install new kernel, xorg, gnome but nothing worked for me. What can i do to fix my system?
[11:02] <stjepan> :(
[11:02] <stjepan> can u help me?
[11:04] <batma8> alright, i got my driver installed for my wireless lan, and the computer recognizes it, and it only says driver present, but doesnt say hardware present
[11:04] <batma8> how to i turn on the card
[11:04] <RedLine_> can someone help me?
[11:05] <nekohayo> RedLine_, is this on a desktop or a laptop?
[11:05] <RedLine_> desktop
[11:05] <stjepan> what do you think about Kubuntu?
[11:05] <nekohayo> ok, just out of curiosity
[11:05] <airox> stjepan: Great stuff.
[11:05] <RedLine_> :)
[11:06] <stjepan> airox: really?????
[11:06] <Viking76> I tried installing kubuntu-desktop on ubuntu - which worked fine - so I *should* have a "kubuntu-like" system now. However, the default fonts are absolutely HUGE. Is there a package to install to get the "real" Kubuntu look, cause I sure hope this isn't it..
[11:06] <DaZjorz> stjepan: I ran a live CD on my pc and it looked great
[11:06] <Xyc0> batma8: Did you install the correct inf file?
[11:06] <LinuxDolt> where does Synaptic put beep-media-player plugins?
[11:07] <LinuxDolt> and skins
[11:07] <batma8> i did
[11:07] <batma8> i tried a few, and finally found one that didnt come up as invalid
[11:07] <batma8> i got it from a guy who has the same laptop even
[11:07] <airox> Viking76: Just alter the fonts in the configuration center.
[11:07] <airox> Viking76: And maybe(!) you want msttcorefonts
[11:07] <stjepan> but I installed Kubuntu and KDE looks very very bare
[11:08] <airox> stjepan: You can make it perfect.
[11:08] <airox> Add for example KDE Bluetooth Framework.
[11:08] <airox> :)
[11:08] <airox> Great fun.
[11:08] <airox> ;)
[11:08] <batma8> root@ubuntu:~# ndiswrapper -l
[11:08] <batma8> Installed ndis drivers:
[11:08] <batma8> bcmwl5 driver present
[11:08] <batma8> root@ubuntu:~#
[11:09] <batma8> i remember there was a line of code that turns on the card
[11:09] <DaZjorz> batma8: http://pastebin.ubuntu.nl
[11:09] <Xyc0> yea dont post in channel
[11:09] <Xyc0> paste*
[11:09] <airox> damn it takes long to compile all the modules for ubuntu :/
[11:09] <batma8> sorry guys
[11:09] <airox> Is there a way to just compile 1 module ?
[11:09] <airox> I only need orinoco and hermes modules :-)
[11:10] <Xyc0> batma8: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/List
[11:10] <Viking76> Hmmz.. Many of the fonts available in gnome - such as the default "Sans" font don't show up in KDE. Anybody know why? :)
[11:10] <Viking76> (and yes - I've installed kubuntu-desktop)
[11:11] <batma8> thanks bro
[11:11] <batma8> you guys always rock
[11:11] <Xyc0> batma8: find your card in that list, see what drivers you need
[11:11] <stjepan> I use ndiswrapper
[11:11] <stjepan> and I made script for that
[11:12] <Xyc0> batma8: is that what you needed?
[11:12] <stjepan> and always I just run script and it configures ndiswrapper and all stuff
[11:12] <batma8> not sure yet :) ill let ya know in a sec
[11:12] <stjepan> and wlan works!
[11:12] <Xyc0> It sucks, my card slows down boot up if I am not in my network
[11:13] <batma8> yah, mine had that same problem
[11:13] <batma8> tooooook forever to boot
[11:13] <Chaotic_Reality> anyone got the ati control panel set up properly?
[11:14] <Xyc0> ati has a control panel now?
[11:14] <Xyc0> The drivers dont suck anyomore?
[11:14] <DaZjorz> ermm guys
[11:15] <DaZjorz> what was the url of the pastebin again
[11:15] <Xyc0> !paste
[11:15] <ubotu> paste is probably please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[11:15] <nekohayo> huh? since when
[11:15] <DaZjorz> ah yes
[11:15] <DaZjorz> why does ubuntulinux have a dutch domain name ?
[11:15] <Xyc0> Ubuntu is in europe?
[11:15] <Burgundavia> DaZjorz, that is the ubuntu dutch loco team
[11:16] <Burgundavia> Xyc0, ubuntu is everywhere
[11:16] <Xyc0> symantics
[11:16] <renedox> even in the toilet :P
[11:16] <Xyc0> hey, my laptop is prortable
[11:16] <DaZjorz> AAAH
[11:16] <DaZjorz> renedox: But ... Butt
[11:16] <DaZjorz> how
[11:16] <hayden> Xyc0, most laptops are
[11:16] <DaZjorz> my toilet doesn't have an IP
[11:16] <DaZjorz> how can i remote control it then !!
[11:16] <Viking76> Technically, the organisation supporting Ubuntu is in South Africa (Canonical) :)
[11:16] <Xyc0> hayden: you missed the point
[11:17] <DaZjorz> LOLLLLLLLLL
[11:17] <DaZjorz> LOOOOOOL
[11:17] <hayden> not really
[11:17] <DaZjorz> "Hey, my laptop is portable"
[11:17] <Xyc0> Viking76: neg, Isle of Man
[11:17] <cafuego> is it weekend yet?
[11:17] <DaZjorz> "Erm.. Most laptops are"
[11:17] <Xyc0> Viking76: It is an actual country
[11:17] <DaZjorz> that would be one for www.bash.org
[11:17] <Viking76> Oh well then. But Mark Shuttleworth is from South Africa. ;)
[11:17] <RedLine> still not working
[11:18] <MartenH> I'm installing some motion detection software and it tells me to use mpeg_encode if I want the jpegs converted to mpeg. But I can't find a package like that...?
[11:18] <cafuego> !find mpeg_encode
[11:18] <DaZjorz> *silence*
[11:18] <ubotu> Ubuntu Search of 'mpeg_encode' (1 shown): (/usr/bin/mpeg_encode) in multiverse/graphics/ucbmpeg.
[11:18] <Xyc0> my laptop IS portable... so I can take it to the toilet, bathtub, you name it
[11:18] <DaZjorz> aah
[11:18] <Xyc0> ubuntu is everywhere
[11:18] <DaZjorz> lol
[11:18] <DaZjorz> Xyc, most laptops are!
[11:18] <cafuego> Took it a moment to refresh all Packages files
[11:19] <Xyc0> damn kids and their drugs
[11:19] <DaZjorz> you can take most laptops to the toilet
[11:19] <cafuego> MartenH: See?
[11:19] <zAo^> but most wifi cards donnot work there :(
[11:19] <Xyc0> again, you missed the point
[11:19] <MartenH> cafuego, yes, strange it didn't turn up in synaptic...
[11:19] <cafuego> MartenH: Do you have the multiverse repository enabled?
[11:20] <DaZjorz> Does anybody here knows about the program Swish (Easy flash)
[11:20] <hayden> whats the point then Xyc0 ?
[11:20] <airox> DaZjorz: Yes.
[11:20] <DaZjorz> airox: Does it have a Linux version too?
[11:20] <DaZjorz> or can I run it using Wine?
[11:20] <MartenH> cafuego, I think so but I
[11:20] <Xyc0> that 3 out of 4 people prefer Cherrios
[11:20] <MartenH> but I'm not sure.. how can I check?
[11:21] <hayden> n00b
[11:21] <airox> DaZjorz: Don't know. Try VMware ;D
[11:21] <cafuego> MartenH: See if 'ucbmpeg' installs.
[11:21] <DaZjorz> airox: I'll try.
[11:21] <Xyc0> hayden: watch the language
[11:21] <batma8> hey guys
[11:21] <cafuego> MartenH: Also, synaptic searches package names and dexcriptions, not actual contents.
[11:21] <batma8> i think we got it
[11:21] <batma8> !!!
[11:21] <ubotu> it has been said that ! is what u add before a sentence to talk to me
[11:21] <Xyc0> batma8: sweet
[11:21] <cafuego> MartenH: .. therea subotu looks for files IN packages
[11:21] <DaZjorz> I'm going to install Ubuntu on this pc. Are there any tips that I could use? Thanks!
[11:21] <hayden> n00b
[11:21] <MartenH> cafuego, I can find that in the list in synaptic so I assume it will isntall
[11:22] <cafuego> MartenH: Yep, should be fine.
[11:22] <batma8> ok..driver and hardware present, now how do i get it in my list of network options
[11:22] <batma8> heheeh
[11:22] <cafuego> s/therea subotu/whereas ubotu/
[11:22] <hayden> DaZjorz, what are the specs of the pc?
[11:22] <MartenH> cafuego, Ic, so it's ucbmpeg I should isntall and not mpeg_encode?
[11:22] <Xyc0> batma8: System > Admin > Network
[11:22] <Xyc0> batma8: I think
[11:23] <cafuego> MartenH: yep, ucbmpeg contains the mpeg_encode program.
[11:23] <MartenH> cafuego, ok, got it
[11:23] <Xyc0> batma8: im not on ubuntu right now
[11:23] <MartenH> cafuego, thanks =)
[11:23] <cafuego> no worries
[11:23] <batma8> hmm..isnt in the list
[11:23] <DaZjorz> hayden: pentium 4, 512 mb, geforce 4 128 mb, need any more?
[11:23] <Xyc0> batma8: look for your wlan0, and configure preferences
[11:23] <cafuego> DaZjorz: A hard disk would be handy
[11:23] <Xyc0> oh herm
[11:23] <DaZjorz> lol
[11:23] <Bateau> Xyc0, could you give me that link again? :)
[11:24] <batma8> i dont see wlan0 in the list
[11:24] <DaZjorz> ooops
[11:24] <Xyc0> batma8: all you did was install the driver
[11:24] <cafuego> DaZjorz: Apart from that, Ubuntu should run fine.
[11:24] <Xyc0> ?
[11:24] <batma8> but in my terminal it said it was present
[11:24] <hayden> DaZjorz, lol yea
[11:24] <DaZjorz> forgot that, 160- gb harddisk xP
[11:24] <Xyc0> Bateau: for what? sorry its late
[11:24] <hayden> DaZjorz, ati drivers r a bitch to get running
[11:24] <Xyc0> batma8: oh you have to load your driver now
[11:24] <cafuego> DaZjorz: You going to dual-boot?
[11:24] <batma8> i thought i did
[11:24] <hayden> DaZjorz, but seeing as u dont have one, shoudl b alright
[11:25] <Bateau> Xyc0: hehe, ok. for that help-thing on screenressolution changing
[11:25] <Xyc0> batma8: you installed the driver
[11:25] <DaZjorz> cafuego: I'm planning to install VMWare.
[11:25] <cafuego> DaZjorz: So you're going to wipe windows?
[11:25] <DaZjorz> Hayden: *Is happy* Am I glad that I don't have ATI ;-D
[11:25] <batma8> ok i got it xyco
[11:25] <DaZjorz> cafuego: Yes.
[11:25] <batma8> thank you
[11:26] <cafuego> DaZjorz: No probs then
[11:26] <Xyc0> Bateau: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:26] <Bateau> ah, thanks Xyc0 :D
[11:26] <DaZjorz> Anything I need to save before I remove Windows ? (except for saved games)
[11:26] <Xyc0> batma8: sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[11:26] <cafuego> DaZjorz: Whatever you want to keep. Bookmarks? Email?
[11:26] <Xyc0> batma8: sudo ndiswrapper -m <--this will load modual at start up
[11:27] <DaZjorz> cafuego: All stored on e-mail server ;)
[11:28] <DaZjorz> Someone knows a fast, good IRC program for Ubuntu that I can install through apt-get fast ?
[11:28] <Xyc0> Anyone find a decent wirless radio app that works with ndiswrapper?
[11:28] <traveller> does anyone know how i can change the background colour of the splash screen
[11:28] <cafuego> DaZjorz: irssi-text
[11:28] <DaZjorz> cafuego: Console or KDE
[11:28] <Xyc0> traveller: System > Admin > Login
[11:29] <DaZjorz> it sounds like console program
[11:29] <zAo^> I dont have sound in rhythmbox, but in Gnome and BMP I do, what can be wrong?
[11:29] <traveller> Xyc0: doesn't seem like i can change any colours there
[11:30] <Xyc0> traveller: go to the stardard greeter tab and chage bgcolor
[11:30] <elw0od> zAo^ gstreamer plugin. esd volum...
[11:30] <DaZjorz> Anyone has a good KDE IRC program for Linux ?
[11:30] <zAo^> elw0od, installed ervery gstreamer plugin :)
[11:30] <Xyc0> DaZjorz: gaim
[11:30] <ablyss> Konversation is good kde irc
[11:30] <DaZjorz> Xyc0: apt-get install gaim ?
[11:30] <traveller> Xyc0: ah...thanks, let me give it a go
[11:30] <Xyc0> DaZjorz: it is installed with ubuntu
[11:31] <DaZjorz> xyc: Thanks
[11:31] <Xyc0> DaZjorz: you might want to install IRC Helper Plugin
[11:31] <cafuego> DaZjorz: there are no good GUI irc clients. Not for Linux, not for anything.
[11:31] <DaZjorz> ?
[11:31] <Xyc0> DaZjorz: you have to compile that tho
[11:31] <Xyc0> cafuego: anything but gaim
[11:31] <Xyc0> Gaim ROX
[11:31] <DaZjorz> Xyc: I'll get back on that after installing Ubuntu :)
[11:31] <DaZjorz> Seeya.
[11:31] <Xyc0> bye
[11:31] <cafuego> Xyc0: I don't see how "no" can be ambiguous.
[11:32] <Xyc0> cafuego: it was aplay on words
[11:33] <Xyc0> wow, he really had to let us know
[11:33] <cafuego> might as well be the bloody web!
[11:33] <Xyc0> DaZorz is installe Ubuntu EVERYONE
[11:33] <Xyc0> cafuego: what program does that?
[11:34] <cafuego> Xyc0: links
[11:34] <Xyc0> cafuego: that sucks, wont let you do irc commands?
[11:34] <icewt> irssi is great
[11:34] <cafuego> Xyc0: I use irssi, none of that gui crap.
[11:34] <Xyc0> Gaim has gui, but that is only for switching from channel to channel
[11:34] <cafuego> also means I can leave it running in 'screen' unattended
[11:35] <cafuego> Xyc0: ^n is far faster than moving the mouse and clicking
[11:35] <petti> irssi is quite close to heaven
[11:35] <cafuego> if I want a WINDOW I'll open an rxvt :-)
[11:36] <hayden> what window manager do u use cafuego ?
[11:36] <cafuego> hayden: basic Gnome at the moment.
[11:36] <hayden> ok
[11:37] <cafuego> with one or wto rxvt's ruinning 'screen', with each in between 1 and 20 shells.
[11:37] <Razor-X`> wow, even this place is relatively dull at this time of night...
[11:37] <cafuego> Razor-X`: liar
[11:38] <Razor-X`> cafuego: well, I joined for like.. a second
[11:38] <Cayne> lol
[11:38] <Xyc0> Razor-XYou missed it then
[11:38] <Razor-X`> on the way to San Diego, we stopped at like... one place
[11:38] <cafuego> Razor-X`: We were doing tequila earlier on
[11:38] <Xyc0> Your in SD cool so am I
[11:38] <Razor-X`> there were two WAPs, but one was busted
[11:38] <cafuego> Razor-X`: You checked IRC during a road trip?
[11:38] <cafuego> Razor-X`: Sheesh.
[11:39] <cafuego> and you thing WE are being boring? ;-)
[11:39] <Cayne> kde vs gnome....which is best?
[11:39] <cafuego> Cayne: yes
[11:39] <Xyc0> Cayne: Linux is
[11:39] <petti> I was sailing yesterday and.. yup. IRC :)
[11:39] <petti> today's phones are great
[11:39] <Xyc0> Cayne: consider it a choice that no other OS gives you
[11:39] <Cayne> :)
[11:40] <cafuego> Cayne: try both, see which one you prefer, use that one.
[11:40] <cafuego> or innstall both and run 'em simultaneously.
[11:40] <Razor-X`> and the second was slightly protected
[11:40] <Cayne> i'm a newbie...just switch with synaptic?
[11:40] <Xyc0> Cayne: or use both and never settle on just one
[11:40] <Razor-X`> s/protected/crappy
[11:40] <Razor-X`> errr
[11:40] <Xyc0> Cayne: You can switch between the two quite easily
[11:40] <Razor-X`> the second was protected
[11:40] <Cayne> can u run simultaneously?
[11:40] <Razor-X`> Cayne: install 'em simeltaneously, and run 'em seperately
[11:41] <Xyc0> Cayne: Just inatall Ubuntu and get used to Gnome b4 trying KDE
[11:41] <cafuego> Cayne: Ubuntu comes with Gnome. if you want KDE< install 'kubuntu-desktop' using synaptic (yes, it's big) and choose Gnome or KDE from the Session menu upon login.
[11:41] <Cayne> ahhh
[11:41] <Cayne> k
[11:41] <Cayne> looks big !
[11:41] <Razor-X`> still, there's a WEP connection like next door -- i'm going to try and use AirSnort (for Windows) to do something about that
[11:41] <cafuego> Cayne: Probably an extra 200 or so Mb.
[11:42] <Xyc0> I keep mine WEP cause I don't mind others using my Wireless if they know how
[11:42] <Razor-X`> heh
[11:42] <Razor-X`> I keep mine MAC exclusive
[11:42] <Xyc0> I figured they have to earn it
[11:42] <MartenH> does anyone have experience running motion?
[11:43] <Xyc0> cafuego: what router?
[11:43] <cafuego> Xyc0: router?
[11:43] <Xyc0> you use wep correct, you need a wireless access point
[11:43] <batma8_> IT WORKED!!!
[11:43] <Xyc0> 9 out of 10 its a router
[11:43] <guim> hi all
[11:43] <cafuego> Xyc0: Yes. What does that have to do with routers?
[11:44] <zAo^> lo guim
[11:44] <guim> I had a strange bug will updating my ubuntu
[11:44] <cafuego> Xyc0: The AP just hands out IPs. When you get an IP, you need to VPN to the Linux box (which is the router)
[11:44] <guim> if anyone want to see the screeshoit I made
[11:44] <cafuego> Xyc0: if you access the web WITHOUT vpn, you get a web page and a log entry.
[11:45] <zAo^> guim, got URL?
[11:45] <cafuego> s/web/anything not on the wifi lan/
[11:45] <guim> preparing it
[11:45] <Kaiser_away> i apt-ed in eggdrop, but it cant find the config file, does someone know where i should create the file?
[11:45] <guim> http://jupiter.cerdecam.be/~glederer/superubuntu.gif
[11:46] <cafuego> Kamping_Kaiser: /usr/share/doc/eggdrop/*
[11:46] <zace> good morning.
[11:46] <guim> blank message to reprot an error
[11:46] <guim> report
[11:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> cafuego: I'm about to, i was hoping to cut a corner.
[11:46] <guim> (it is in french, sorry)
[11:46] <zAo^> guim, I dont speak spanish!
[11:46] <zAo^> nor frensh :D
[11:46] <guim> it is FRENCH
[11:47] <zAo^> sorry :$
[11:47] <guim> it just says that "hte following problems have been encountered on your system :"
[11:47] <batma8_> is there a way for me to view the windows partitions from linux?
[11:47] <guim> and then there is an empty list ;-)
[11:47] <kemik> batma8_: yes, mount them
[11:47] <batma8_> mount them huh
[11:47] <kemik> !windowspartition
[11:47] <ubotu> kemik: I give up, what is it?
[11:47] <zAo^> tried in Synaptic?
[11:48] <batma8_> is that tough?
[11:48] <Xyc0> !ntfs
[11:48] <ubotu> well, ntfs is the filesystem used under Windows XP. The Ubuntu installer can safely resize an NTFS partition to create a new partition for you to install Ubuntu. http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[11:48] <kemik> !ntfs
[11:48] <kemik> damn, Xyc0 beat me to it ;)
[11:48] <guim> that was the security update
[11:48] <traveller> is there anywhere i can download newer versions of openoffice.org?
[11:48] <batma8_> :)
[11:48] <guim> of hoary
[11:48] <batma8_> thank god for you guys
[11:48] <traveller> i mean install*
[11:48] <selinium> HI there, how do i create a link so if i put files in my ~/Music it will also appear in /var/music
[11:48] <Xyc0> batma8_: Just make sure you are here enough to help others
[11:49] <batma8_> heck yes
[11:49] <abarbaccia> ln -s ~/Music /var/music
[11:49] <kemik> batma8_: and, NTFS partitions will not be "writable"
[11:49] <abarbaccia> thats for you selinium
[11:49] <batma8_> that is fine
[11:49] <batma8_> but i could read my mp3s n junk
[11:49] <kemik> just so you know :)
[11:49] <kemik> yes
[11:49] <selinium> abarbaccia: CHeers
[11:49] <Xyc0> I wonder if WinFS kernel patches are ready
[11:49] <batma8_> !ntfs is a program then
[11:49] <ubotu> ...but ntfs is already something else...
[11:49] <batma8_> from synaptic?
[11:49] <Xyc0> batma8_: ntfs is the files system Windows XP uses
[11:50] <batma8_> right
[11:50] <Xyc0> batma8_: Linux uses Ext3 as default
[11:50] <batma8_> so how do i mount to the other partition so i can read me mp3s?
[11:50] <Xyc0> well, ubuntix does
[11:50] <ofer0> saw that? http://rar.co.il/files/Rar-1123223576.jpg
[11:50] <rob^> does anyone know why evolution shows my inbox and other folders as if they have unread email in them, yet there isn't?
[11:51] <Xyc0> batma8_: it should all be in that link ubotu posted
[11:51] <batma8_> ohhhhhhh
[11:51] <batma8_> ok
[11:51] <kemik> Xyc0: that link is a bash script
[11:51] <Xyc0> aww not user friendsly html?
[11:51] <rob^> ok, I'll guess I'll be filing a bug then..
[11:52] <kemik> Xyc0: no, unfortunately not
[11:52] <Xyc0> batma8_: http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/
[11:52] <selinium> abarbaccia: it created the link but gnump3 can only see the folder not its contents :(
[11:53] <REds> \]
[11:53] <REds> \] -+
[11:53] <REds> \
[11:53] <REds> \
[11:53] <REds> \12346789
[11:53] <athlon> i installed apache 2 but there is no file called 'apxs' in /usr/bin, how do I find out which package has it ?
[11:54] <Xyc0> batma8_: http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/info/ntfs.html#4.5
[11:54] <zAo^> athlon, zao@amd:~$ apt-cache search apxs
[11:54] <zAo^> apache-dev - development kit for the Apache webserver
[11:54] <batma8_> thanks again bro
[11:55] <athlon> zAo^, thanks !
[11:55] <zAo^> np
[11:55] <Xyc0> batma8_: If you have a seperate partition for just music, you might want to consider formating in fat32. Both Linux and Windows can read/write to fat32
[11:56] <Xyc0> batma8_: if it is the same partition as windows, dont bother
[11:57] <zAo^> remember that FAT32 is a single-user FS.
[11:57] <kemik> zAo^: huh ?
[11:57] <qiv> Xyc0: kinux can write nfs too, just ubuntu does not as standard ;)
[11:57] <kemik> im using a shared FAT32 partition
[11:57] <kemik> qiv: it is not safe to do so
[11:57] <zAo^> kemik, you cannot set any security settings
[11:57] <kemik> zAo^: ah, i c what you mean now :)
[11:57] <Xyc0> qiv: none of that is openly supported
[11:58] <ablyss> just put music on a home based server on your local LAN... solves read write issues and recognizes single or multiple users
[11:58] <zAo^> just dont try to write to NFTS... for your own good :D
[11:58] <kemik> qiv: in this channel, only safe stuff is suggested. no good putting new users in tonnes of trouble
[11:58] <Xyc0> zAo^: even though ubntu tries horridly to
[11:58] <Xyc0> zAo^: assigning permissions
[11:58] <zAo^> Xyc0, does it? :-|
[11:58] <kemik> ablyss: indeed it does, but not all people can do that. :)
[11:59] <batma8_> actually Xyc0, i do have a separate partition just for mp3 and vids
[11:59] <zAo^> Xyc0, ah, sorry :) Yes. Use your mountoptions to solve it
[11:59] <batma8_> ill convert to fat 32
[11:59] <Xyc0> zAo^: when I copy folders from vfat, everynow and then a folder is root permission only
[11:59] <batma8_> that makes more sence
[11:59] <Xyc0> zAo^: oh no, thats not what I meant
[11:59] <kemik> batma8_: wait, there's one more restriction, FAT32 cant store dvd-image files
[11:59] <ablyss> kemik... anyone with a computer should be able too.. just a little motivation ;)
[11:59] <batma8_> what dvd player software do you guys use
[11:59] <qiv> kemik: i did not suggest it either, but it would work ;)
[11:59] <batma8_> thats fine
[11:59] <zAo^> Xyc0, so: vfat > etx3 (example) will give you root:root?
[11:59] <Xyc0> batma8_: back up your music, when you format you erase everything on that partition
[11:59] <batma8_> its all divx and mp3
[11:59] <kemik> batma8_: Fat32 supports 4gb files at most, and dvd-images are larger :(
[12:00] <batma8_> right
[12:00] <batma8_> i remember that problem when i was dinkin with windows
[12:00] <Xyc0> zAo^: randomly, for somefolders is doesn't. No one can answer why it does that
[12:00] <kemik> ablyss: not everyone affords having one more computer, and add to that the electricity cost of running it too :)
[12:00] <Xyc0> zAo^: It is easy enough to change permissions, and I dont copy too much from vfat, just to vfat
[12:00] <zAo^> Xyc0, hmm. Never noticed that
[12:01] <zAo^> Xyc0, I have some vfat partitions, but I dont use them (anymore ;-)
[12:01] <Xyc0> kemik: that isn't true
[12:01] <joachim> hi
[12:02] <Xyc0> kemik: I've had many DVD images on my vfat, never once a problem
[12:02] <zAo^> hi joachim
[12:02] <kemik> Xyc0: about the 4gb cap ?
[12:02] <Xyc0> rgr
[12:02] <joachim> I'm trying to unmount a drive, but I get a message that it's busy. but I've not got any documents on that drive open
[12:02] <Xyc0> unless my def of a DVD image is different from yours
[12:03] <kemik> Xyc0: a full dvd is somewhere in 4.8gb in size, and its not supported by the fat32 FS
[12:03] <Xyc0> joachim: is it mounted as /
[12:03] <Seveas> All Breezy enthousiasts: Daniels has released a new version of X.org which is supposed to work again
[12:03] <zAo^> the FAT32 filesize limit is 4G minus 1 Byte.
[12:03] <joachim> nope, it's mounted on a folder in my home
[12:03] <batma8_> what do i need to dload other than mplayer itself to play dvd discs
[12:03] <kemik> from doom9.org: "problems with images larger than 4 GB (FAT32 can't handle files larger than 4 GB)."
[12:03] <zAo^> Seveas, lemme see. Thanks!
[12:04] <kemik> batma8_: i'd suggest Videolan instead for dvd-playback
[12:04] <Seveas> batma8_, you might need libdvdcss2
[12:04] <Xyc0> kemik: oh i understand now, no my DVD ripper divides up the rip into smaller files
[12:04] <Xyc0> kemik: DVD Decrypter
[12:04] <batma8_> thanks to both of ya
[12:04] <zAo^> Seveas, nothing new here. Still -43
[12:05] <kemik> DVD Dec. is a nice app, but if you download a dvd image you may not have that option ;)
[12:05] <Xyc0> batma8_: did you get everything working?
[12:05] <kemik> batma8_: www.videolan.org <- check it out, supports DVD_menu aswell (afaik mplayer does not supoprt menus)
[12:05] <batma8_> hell yeah, wireless is workin great, now im just tryin to get life back to normal, i have formating
[12:05] <WaterSevenUb> Hi there.... Does anyone here uses Rosetta? Can anyone explain me why in French Breezy templates there is a template "gnome-app-install" and in Portuguese templates there isn't?
[12:05] <Xyc0> kemik: you can install vlc from backports now I belive
[12:05] <kemik> Xyc0: oh, sweet :)
[12:06] <joachim> I get "mount: /home/joachim/nt: device is busy", but *twice*, which seems weird
[12:06] <batma8_> videolan didnt show up in synaptic
[12:06] <batma8_> ehehhe
[12:06] <topyli> how do i copy my customized gnome menu to another user?
[12:06] <Xyc0> batma8_: you need to add backports
[12:06] <kemik> !backports
[12:06] <ubotu> backports is, like, .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[12:06] <batma8_> backports
[12:06] <kemik> batma8_: need to add it in yuor /etc/apt/sources.list file
[12:07] <Xyc0> and you might want to activate multiverse and universe
[12:07] <kemik> batma8_: and then do "apt-get update" so the new repos is added in your apt-database
[12:07] <batma8_> how would i go bout doin that?
[12:07] <Xyc0> kemik: he really should do it through synaptic
[12:07] <Xyc0> !repos
[12:07] <ubotu> repos is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:08] <abhayks> batma8: sudo apt-get update
[12:08] <batma8_> wish i woulda moved to linux years ago
[12:08] <kemik> Xyc0: i guess its more userfriendly.. i always use apt tho =)
[12:08] <Xyc0> batma8_: no time is better then now
[12:08] <abhayks> ubotu: exact answer -- thanks
[12:08] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, abhayks
[12:08] <kemik> batma8_: linux a few years ago was horrible :)
[12:08] <batma8_> true
[12:09] <Xyc0> kemik: I beg to differ, but then Ubuntu wasn't here a few years ago :D
[12:09] <abhayks> kemik: Now it is the best
[12:09] <batma8_> its just hard to be sooo good at windows, then feelin like a tardy pie
[12:09] <selinium> How do you go about ripping in mp3?
[12:09] <kemik> Xyc0: well, it was great for servers, but i refused to use linux as a desktop OS 5 years ago
[12:09] <batma8_> the only reason i use windows now is media conversion and emulators
[12:09] <batma8_> gotta have my n64
[12:09] <Heijmen> anybody know how to install Verdana, Arial & Helvetica on Ubuntu?
[12:10] <Xyc0> batma8_: wiki.ubuntu.com, that site has alot of help to offer
[12:10] <batma8_> i just bookmarked that
[12:10] <batma8_> ehehhe
[12:10] <kemik> and google, just add "ubuntu" in the search ;)
[12:10] <Xyc0> batma8_: search that site from now on to see if you can answer yourself
[12:10] <kemik> ubuntuforums is nice
[12:10] <batma8_> wiiiiiiiiiil doo
[12:10] <topyli> i copied ~/.local/share/applications to another user's home dir but that didn't suffice. her menu didn't change
[12:11] <Seveas> topyli, you need to restart the menu
[12:11] <Xyc0> topyli: suso apt-get install smeg
[12:11] <Xyc0> sudo apt-get install smeg*
[12:11] <Xyc0> sorry
[12:11] <Xyc0> typo
[12:12] <Yagisan> Heijmen: apt-get install msttcorefonts
[12:12] <topyli> Seveas: the user was not logged in when i copied, i just logged in to the account in xnest now, so the menu should be fresh
[12:12] <Heijmen> yagisan: thanxxx
[12:12] <Cayne> nice
[12:12] <Seveas> topyli, ehm, yeah...
[12:12] <Xyc0> topyli: you also need to restart gnome-panel
[12:12] <Seveas> odd..
[12:12] <BeatYou> Feedback?: http://dev.clsafety.com/test.php </notspam>
[12:13] <Amaranth> topyli: ~/.local/share/desktop-directories/ and ~/.config/menus/applications.menu
[12:13] <Seveas> BeatYou, July 38 ?!?
[12:13] <Amaranth> topyli: and the restart gnome-panel to see updates thing is fixed in breezy
[12:13] <Xyc0> BeatYou: yes it was
[12:13] <topyli> Seveas: ah. i seem to have copied all the .desktop files to her .local/share instead of .local/share/applications :)
[12:13] <Seveas> BeatYou, and it's off-topic here so stop it
[12:13] <Seveas> topyli, that would explain :)
[12:14] <BeatYou> Seveas i also <3 ubuntu
[12:14] <Xyc0> BeatYou: that changes the fact that was Spam?
[12:14] <BeatYou> its not spam haha that site isn't even live, it cna't sell you anything
[12:14] <Amaranth> BeatYou: It's spam and off-topic.
[12:14] <Xyc0> Spam doesn't nessisarily mean ads
[12:15] <Seveas> BeatYou, this is not a help-me-with-my-html channel....
[12:15] <Seveas> but anyway: apart from the moving text in the links at the top it looked nice
[12:15] <kemik> Seveas: and idea how to use debians network drivers instead of ubuntus? seems that the ubuntu drivers dont work aswell as the debian here (a really weird error)
[12:15] <BeatYou> Seveas its xhtml
[12:15] <Amaranth> BeatYou: Links that are irrelevant to the topic and/or current line of discussion are spam.
[12:15] <abhayks> do we really have to say RTFM
[12:15] <BeatYou> Amaranth: thanks for defining that, ive only been using the internet 5 years, i really need you to clear that up for me
[12:15] <Seveas> kemik, that would be odd
[12:16] <Amaranth> BeatYou: Careful.
[12:16] <ablyss> everybody chill
[12:16] <Seveas> BeatYou, you're on wafer thin ice there....
[12:16] <ablyss> it's Friday.. now let's all do something fun :)
[12:16] <kemik> Seveas: well, with ubuntu drivers i can start downloads, but they suddenly timeout (i get some wicked speeds to > 3mb/s, so im guessing the ISP strangles my threads as im supposed to have a 10mbit connection...)
[12:16] <joachim> is there anything more forceful that umount?
[12:16] <BeatYou> ut oh
[12:16] <joachim> or a way of finding which processes are using the drive?
[12:17] <Seveas> kemik, hmm...
[12:17] <Seveas> joachim, lsof | grep /mount/point
[12:17] <Seveas> probably it's gam_server :)
[12:17] <Amaranth> Seveas: why not lsof /mount/point ?
[12:18] <kemik> Seveas: maybe i should file a bugreport? (all works well in both debian and windows)
[12:18] <Seveas> Amaranth, because I always forget that possibility :)
[12:18] <Seveas> kemik, please do when you have enough info about it
[12:18] <Xyc0> ha ha, 5 years and he thought </notspam> helps?
[12:18] <kemik> thing is, im not sure how to get more info :/
[12:18] <Amaranth> Xyc0: Please don't.
[12:18] <abhayks> lsof /mount/point works .
[12:19] <Xyc0> Amaranth: im sorry?
[12:19] <Amaranth> my requests probably sound less godly without that on
[12:19] <joachim> what's gam_serve?
[12:19] <Amaranth> joachim: *groan*
[12:19] <Xyc0> Amaranth: I didn't know what you were referring to
[12:19] <Seveas> joachim, it's gamin - the thing that monitors file changes
[12:20] <Amaranth> joachim: some program told gamin to watch files in that mount point
[12:20] <Amaranth> Xyc0: Don't keep the flame going.
[12:20] <joachim> oh. any way to tell it to stop?
ha ha, 5 years and he thought </notspam> helps? <-- that, it's not really polite to say that, even though he's gone
[12:20] <Seveas> joachim, sudo pkill gam_server
[12:21] <Xyc0> Sorry, just an after thought
[12:21] <joachim> thanks :)
[12:23] <selinium> How do you go about ripping music in mp3?
[12:24] <rendi> doe anyone know what editor for *.mdb ??
[12:24] <deFrysk> selinium, I use grip
[12:24] <subterrific> selinium: first you need to enable the universe repository
[12:24] <joachim> does anyone here use gparted?
[12:24] <selinium> Cheers guys
[12:25] <selinium> joachim yep
[12:25] <Tzi> Hi! =)
[12:25] <abhayks> rendi: I understand .mdb is M$ Access file
[12:25] <joachim> what do the icons mean next to the partition names?
[12:25] <subterrific> selinium: then you want to install the gstreamer0.8-lame package
[12:25] <rendi> yeah abhayks
[12:25] <joachim> I have a warning triangle next to several
[12:25] <rendi> any tool for viewer ?
[12:25] <selinium> subteffific: I already have
[12:25] <selinium> subterrific: I already have*
[12:26] <Tzi> I'm being masochistic and using Breezy... Does anyone know if there's an obvious reason why my usb mass storage devices don't show up? They're definitely getting registered in the system, dmesg shows the devices being bound to sda
[12:26] <rendi> i don't wanna switch to M$
[12:26] <selinium> subterrific: Then instal grip?
[12:26] <abhayks> Let me look for some tool that can convert mdb to mysql data
[12:27] <zAo^> Tzi, there is a bug in the latest kernel: my DVD is gone too
[12:27] <Tzi> zAo^: Oh, damn =)
[12:27] <rendi> OOo can ??
[12:27] <Tzi> zAo^: What've you done?
[12:27] <zAo^> Tzi, I filed a bug.
[12:27] <subterrific> selinium: i was going to say then you can use Sound Juicer, but i forgot the version in Hoary only does OGG, WAV, and FLAC
[12:27] <abhayks> OO does not have a database server
[12:27] <zAo^> Tzi, I work without my DVD players :)
[12:27] <subterrific> selinium: grip will do though
[12:28] <rendi> doh
[12:28] <rendi> see this forum
[12:28] <rendi> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=40575&highlight=ms+access
[12:28] <selinium> subterrific: lol, it is a shame, i don't want to install different apps for the 'same' purpose. Oh well! :)
[12:29] <selinium> jaochim: I am just having a look at mine...
[12:29] <joachim> thanks :)
[12:30] <selinium> jaochim: may take some time I am creating an iso from a dvd. It is trying to look at that drive....
[12:31] <abhayks> rendi: this form clearly gives you the answer
[12:31] <rendi> it mean OO can ?
[12:31] <abhayks> rendi: then why u asked this question ?
[12:31] <rendi> if can i'll download it
[12:31] <rendi> i'm not sure
[12:32] <jtan325> what's the easiest way to install fonts on a system-wide level?
[12:32] <abhayks> rendi: it says that "Base" can
[12:35] <rendi> mm
[12:35] <abhayks> rendi: However, it can import spreadsheet files. So, what I did is from within MSAccess I exported the database to MSExcel. Then I was able to import the Excel spreadsheet into Base and save the database.
[12:35] <rendi> let me try
[12:35] <subterrific> selinium: actually, are you sure sound juicer won't let you rip to mp3 with the lame gst plugin installed?
[12:35] <LinuxDolt> blargh. what locale does Shift-JIS equate to?
[12:35] <subterrific> selinium: i just checked and i don't have lame installed, so that might be why it wasn't in the preferences for me, hehe
[12:35] <Positron> when i load de win drivers of my wifi card from ndiswrapper, everything works (hardware present, driver present) ; when i put the command 'sudo modprobe ndiswrapper' it tolds me FATAL : Module ndiswrapper not found
[12:35] <subterrific> selinium: http://www.emcken.dk/weblog/archives/99-MP3-encoding-with-Sound-Juicer.html
[12:36] <Tzi> zAo^: Haha =) I see - Suppose this is what we get for living on the edge ;)
[12:36] <DaZjorz> hello
[12:36] <DaZjorz> No, i haven't install Ubuntu yet, xP
[12:36] <znh> hmm, is it true that the mbr is "Master boot partion", so that it's the boot partition on the disk wich has the master jumper
[12:36] <DaZjorz> i forgot i had to transfer some files off my pc
[12:36] <DaZjorz> and they are quit big
[12:36] <joachim> oh crap my display is going crazy again
[12:36] <DaZjorz> znh: ..
[12:36] <DaZjorz> znh: MBR: Master Boot Record
[12:37] <selinium> subterrific: I did check the prefs, but i will have a go at the help on that page. CHeers
[12:37] <znh> almost then
[12:37] <joachim> could someone take a look at the thread I posted in the support forum please? does it look like a driver problem or hardware?
[12:37] <DaZjorz> znh: Master Boot Record can be on every disk, even slaves
[12:37] <DaZjorz> znh: it has partitioning, etc stuff in it,
[12:38] <DaZjorz> also an `active` option for 1 partition, which means, the partition that boots
[12:38] <DaZjorz> the bios reads that
[12:38] <zAo^> Tzi, yup :) I want to watch a DVD but... :)
[12:38] <joachim> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54192
[12:38] <DaZjorz> Dammit
[12:39] <jtan325> how do i install fonts in ubuntu?
[12:39] <crashd> jtan325: check the wiki
[12:39] <Tzi> Working software is for the weak! The weak, dammit
[12:39] <DaZjorz> I have met 3 joachims / joakims in the last week :S
[12:39] <crashd> msstcorefonts
[12:39] <zAo^> jtan325, apt-cache search fonts ???
[12:39] <Despeeh> gsfonts
[12:39] <DaZjorz> HydraIRC ?
[12:39] <joachim> DaZjorz, I never meet any. quite rare in the EK
[12:39] <DaZjorz> hm...
[12:39] <joachim> UK I mean
[12:39] <jtan325> !wiki
[12:39] <LinuxDolt> errr...
[12:39] <DaZjorz> Joachim: I met one on vacation, he was named Joakim and came from Denmark
[12:39] <jtan325> !wiki font
[12:39] <jtan325> !wiki fonts
[12:40] <DaZjorz> Joachim: And one was you
[12:40] <DaZjorz> Joachim: And I also saw one in a magazine
[12:40] <DaZjorz> :S
[12:40] <DaZjorz> in an ad, by the way xP
[12:40] <DaZjorz> Hello Joachim, blabla university stuff, if you have any other questions, blabla, then some name
[12:41] <DaZjorz> I still have to wait about 2 hours untill all files are transferred to the server..
[12:41] <DaZjorz> Then i can install Ubuntu. -,-
[12:42] <DaZjorz> mehh.
[12:43] <DaZjorz> i gotta transfer 6 big files.
[12:43] <DaZjorz> 68% | 62% | 32% | 28% | 27% | 20%
[12:43] <DVSoftware> any idea how to setup volume control buttons on my notebook in kde
[12:44] <joachim> gonna have to reboot.... my display is totally unusable now :(
[12:44] <DVSoftware> it was easy in gnome
[12:44] <BTJustice> How can I make a GRUB boot floppy in Windows XP?
[12:44] <DVSoftware> but kde seems to not recognize keycodes
[12:45] <jtan325> crashd, so do i create my own folder in /usr/share
[12:45] <jtan325> if i want to do it on a system wide level
[12:45] <jtan325> or do i just dump them into /usr/share/fonts
[12:46] <DaZjorz> I really like the fact that Ubuntu shares free CD's
[12:46] <DaZjorz> it made me like Ubuntu a lot
[12:46] <DaZjorz> because I didn't have to download Ubuntu and leave my PC on(line), etc etc
[12:46] <DaZjorz> I don't have much problems with downloading
[12:47] <DaZjorz> and the delivery toke a lot of time because I live in the netherlands.....
[12:47] <DaZjorz> but the product I got was fantastic
[12:47] <DaZjorz> really
[12:47] <abhayks> anyont uses ion3 WM
[12:48] <abhayks> ?
[12:48] <DaZjorz> 74% | 68% | 36% | 32% | 31% | 24%
[12:48] <DaZjorz> whats that abhayks ?
[12:48] <milksteak> heh
[12:48] <milksteak> no new cds being shipped until breezy release right?
[12:48] <abhayks> a Window Manager based on PWM
[12:48] <PurpleMotion> as of when?
[12:48] <DaZjorz> Windows manager ?
[12:49] <PurpleMotion> cause i ordered my cd's like a month ago
[12:49] <BTJustice> I am trying to install Kubuntu which I was able to do. During GGRUB it asked if I wanted to install it to MBR which I did. Computer went straight to WIndows XP without and GRUB boot menu. Will I need ot create a GRUN boot floppy?
[12:49] <abhayks> like Gnome/KDE
[12:49] <DaZjorz> PurpleMotion: It really takes time till you get then
[12:49] <DaZjorz> them*
[12:49] <PurpleMotion> DaZjorz: someone said there was a freeze till breezy.. i wanna know as of when
[12:49] <BTJustice> My PC set has 2 SATA hard drives (C: & D:) and to regular IDE drives (E: & F:). I installed Kubuntu to F:
[12:49] <Positron> what does it mean when i get "FATAL : Module ndiswrapper not found"
[12:50] <DaZjorz> BTJustice: Install Ubuntu AFTER Windows and it will recognise Windows
[12:50] <DaZjorz> Positron: ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net
[12:50] <DaZjorz> i thought
[12:51] <DaZjorz> PurpleMotion: Don't know. Maybe look at the CD order page...
[12:51] <DaZjorz> But my browser just quit :S
[12:51] <PurpleMotion> oh well i was able to order mine so i guess theyre ont he way
[12:51] <PurpleMotion> i dont mind waiting at all
[12:51] <DaZjorz> BTJustice: Thats Windows notice. In linux it is /dev/hd(a,b,c)(1,2,3)
[12:51] <PurpleMotion> i can download one and burn it if i need it :)
[12:51] <DaZjorz> Yea
[12:51] <DaZjorz> It toke like 1.5 months for me to get them too
[12:52] <BTJustice> I did.
[12:52] <BTJustice> WIndows XP was here first
[12:52] <BTJustice> On C:
[12:52] <rendi> hi i have installed oo2 but when i'm open it it say Details: Failed to execute child process "/opt/openoffice.org1.9.113/program/soffice" (No such file or directory)
[12:52] <lukas> where do i se if the ssh-server is upp ??
[12:52] <DaZjorz> BTJustice: /dev/hda1 you mean :P
[12:52] <rendi> can help me Sir
[12:52] <PurpleMotion> telnet localhost 22
[12:52] <zAo^> rendi, installed ervery oo pkg??
[12:52] <BTJustice> I have no idea. I can;t boot into Linux
[12:52] <DaZjorz> BTJustice: Erm
[12:52] <Seveas> lukas, ps aux | grep sshd
[12:53] <lukas> ahha
[12:53] <lukas> thanks
[12:53] <DaZjorz> BTJustice: I think the partitioning says that /dev/hda1 is active. That means that it boots with that
[12:53] <PurpleMotion> its because your c drive is serialata and you need 2.6.11 for support
[12:53] <rendi> i'm donload it from http://www.evolutioncolt.com/mainweb/?q=node/11
[12:53] <DaZjorz> BTJustice: And, you installed GRUB on the MBR on a different drive then number 1
[12:53] <BTJustice> OK, if I reinstall Kubuntu again. What should I do?
[12:53] <BTJustice> Should I reinstall Kubuntu?
[12:53] <DaZjorz> BTJustice: Maybe... Let me think ...
[12:54] <zAo^> why not install grub in MBR?
[12:54] <DaZjorz> Zao: Because he's installing in another hard disk
[12:54] <DaZjorz> not hda
[12:54] <BTJustice> I did. It found WIndows XP Pro and asked if I wanted to install GRUB to MBR which I did.
[12:54] <PurpleMotion> is linux even seeing his sata drives?
[12:54] <zAo^> so? my ubuntu is on hdb2
[12:54] <PurpleMotion> i know the box is, but is linux?
[12:54] <BTJustice> I think it is the fact my Windows XP is installed on SATA drive.
[12:54] <lukas> is there a firewall or somting upp by default ?
[12:54] <DaZjorz> BTJustice: Try to install GRUB to the mbr on hda
[12:54] <PurpleMotion> zAo^: but your bootloader is on /dev/hda int he mbr
[12:55] <zAo^> correct
[12:55] <BTJustice> Purple: It did see them when it asked my waht drive I wanted to use
[12:55] <lukas> i cannt ssh on the lan to this machine
[12:55] <rendi> can help me sir ....
[12:55] <DaZjorz> BTJustice: Try to install your bootloader to the MBR of /dev/hda
[12:55] <zAo^> lukas, error msg?
[12:55] <lukas> is there a fw in my way in some kind ?
[12:55] <BTJustice> How do I do that?
[12:55] <PurpleMotion> BTJustice: i think it is the fact that 2.6.10 kernel doesnt SEE your sata drive, so it can't exactly write a bootloader to it
[12:55] <DaZjorz> BTJustice: If that doesnt work then, try to boot your PC with some rescue system and turn the active flag of the Windows partition off
[12:55] <lukas> zAo^: where do i find that ??
[12:55] <zAo^> lukas, is sshd up? (ps -ef | grep sshd)
[12:56] <DaZjorz> PurpleMotion: Ofcourse it can, otherwise it couldnt even install xP
[12:56] <joachim> bye :)
[12:56] <rendi> zAo^ help me for this ... Cannot launch entry
[12:56] <rendi> Details: Failed to execute child process "/opt/openoffice.org1.9.113/program/soffice" (No such file or directory)
[12:56] <DaZjorz> Rendi
[12:56] <lukas> zAo^: yes its upp
[12:56] <rendi> i'm instal from http://www.evolutioncolt.com/mainweb/?q=node/11
[12:56] <DaZjorz> Try to reinstall OpenOffice
[12:56] <PurpleMotion> DaZjorz: xp can see it. i heard 2.6.10 doesn't recognize like 70% of sata systems
[12:56] <BTJustice> Now wait a minute. I if I reinstall Kubuntu, can I create a GRUB floppy to boot Kubuntu during the install?
[12:56] <zAo^> rendi, did you install by using apt/synaptic?
[12:56] <rendi> reinstall
[12:56] <rendi> mm okay
[12:56] <rendi> not
[12:56] <rendi> sh
[12:57] <DaZjorz> BTJustice: Try the expert install
[12:57] <tomasek> hiho
[12:57] <DaZjorz> you get a question where to install LILO/GRUB
[12:57] <DaZjorz> Try a disk, or if that doesn't work the /dev/hda MBR
[12:57] <DaZjorz> ok ?
[12:57] <zAo^> BTJustice, or use Breezys kernel (2.6.12)
[12:57] <BTJustice> OK, now was anything written to the MBR?
[12:57] <BTJustice> Since GRUB isn;t working?
[12:57] <twilight> rendi..if you speak a few italian, see my doc: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ItalianInstallazioneOpenOffice1.9.113
[12:57] <DaZjorz> Rendi: Try to go to /opt and see if there is a folder of openoffice thats named something else. Then try to make a symlink.
[12:57] <tomasek> can someone give me personal answers due my problems on priv?
[12:57] <DaZjorz> Romasek: Problems ?
[12:57] <twilight> if not, there are deb packages at the end of the page
[12:57] <tomasek> yes
[12:57] <zAo^> tomasek, on what?
[12:58] <DaZjorz> Tomasek: Don't just say 'yes' xP I asked for your problems
[12:58] <DaZjorz> :P
[12:58] <tomasek> i downloaded iso install disk
[12:58] <lukas> zAo^: where do i find the error msgs ??
[12:58] <DaZjorz> Yes
[12:58] <zAo^> lukas, you said you cant connect: do you just get a timeout?
[12:58] <topyli> weirdness! i swear, copying .desktop files in ~/.local/share/applications to another user doesn't work
[12:58] <BTJustice> OK, now was anything written to the MBR? Since GRUB isn't working?
[12:58] <znh> I've put another harddisk in my computer, what device is my second harddisk?
[12:59] <lukas> zAo^: yes ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.121 port 22: Connection timed out
[12:59] <DaZjorz> BTJustice: Try to reinstall Kubuntu as mode 'expert' when you boot.
[12:59] <zAo^> lukas, did `sudo apt-get install openssh-server` ?
[12:59] <DaZjorz> Lukas: Try telnet 192.168.1.121 22
[12:59] <tomasek> ;/
[12:59] <lukas> zAo^: yes
[12:59] <znh> DaZjorz: raw ssh is hard :-P
[12:59] <zAo^> lukas, `/etc/init.d/sshd start` ??
[01:00] <BTJustice> DaZjorz: Was anything written to the MBR? Since GRUB isn't working?
[01:00] <DaZjorz> znh: I know, but its trying of the ssh is online
[01:00] <tomasek> who help me?!?!
[01:00] <zAo^> tomasek, what is the prob??
[01:00] <DaZjorz> BTJustice: If you run the installation CD with 'expert'mode
[01:00] <DaZjorz> Tomasek
[01:00] <DaZjorz> Private
[01:00] <tomasek> how can i boot cd
[01:00] <tomasek> with linux
[01:00] <rendi> DaZjorz i'm go to folder /opt and can't see oo sit there and now how to make symlink ???
[01:00] <DaZjorz> Tomasek: Privated
[01:00] <BTJustice> Because of SATA, I had to install using "boot: linux pci=noacpi"
[01:00] <zAo^> thnx DaZjorz
[01:00] <DaZjorz> Rendi: There is nothing in that dir ?
[01:00] <rendi> nothing
[01:00] <rendi> blank
[01:00] <DaZjorz> BTJustice: Try boot: expert pci=noacpi
[01:00] <zAo^> lukas, did you do a `sudo /etc/init.d/sshd start` ??
[01:00] <BTJustice> ok, thanks
[01:00] <DaZjorz> Rendi: Install OpenOffice
[01:01] <rendi> i have already install it
[01:01] <DaZjorz> Rendi: Where
[01:01] <lukas> zAo^: it says there is no such dir :/
[01:01] <rendi> from i first instal ubuntu oo in myu pc
[01:02] <zAo^> lukas, sorry. `sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start`
[01:02] <DaZjorz> Rendi: Retry install...
[01:02] <DaZjorz> maybe that works?
[01:02] <topyli> rendi: you installed the ubuntu OOo packages?
[01:02] <rendi> 1 hours dude
[01:02] <lukas> yes but i do it in a root terminal :/
[01:02] <zAo^> why dont you use the ubuntu pkgs??
[01:02] <rendi> my conection sucks
[01:02] <zAo^> lukas, you need to do it as root/sudo
[01:02] <lukas> k
[01:02] <DaZjorz> Lukas & zAo: its sshd not ssh
[01:03] <rendi> i'm try reinstall now
[01:03] <zAo^> DaZjorz, I thought so to, but it is ssh!
[01:03] <DaZjorz> really ?
[01:03] <DaZjorz> no
[01:03] <DaZjorz> the program is called sshd
[01:03] <lukas> zAo^: wtf hmm
[01:03] <DaZjorz> anderm
[01:03] <DaZjorz> i think its not in /etc/init.d
[01:03] <DaZjorz> i thought it was in /bin or something
[01:03] <DaZjorz> . /bin/sshd
[01:03] <DaZjorz> or something
[01:04] <zAo^> DaZjorz, I know; its a daemon, but the startscript is called SSH
[01:04] <DaZjorz> not sure about that
[01:04] <DaZjorz> let me look
[01:04] <lukas> zAo^: i cant star the ssh :/
[01:04] <DaZjorz> ...
[01:04] <zAo^> lukas, why?
[01:04] <DaZjorz> zao, lukas, wait a sec, i'll look it up
[01:04] <dv__> hi
[01:04] <lukas> zAo^: it was allready on :7
[01:04] <jowi> /usr/sbin/sshd
[01:04] <zAo^> lukas, then theres a network problem I think..
[01:04] <dv__> is it very problematic to recompile a kernel with ubuntu,
[01:04] <lukas> ok
[01:05] <zAo^> lukas, try: `ssh localhost`
[01:05] <jowi> start it with /etc/init.d/ssh start
[01:05] <dv__> that is does it break the system if one doesnt use the ubuntu kernel?
[01:05] <lukas> zAo^: that works
[01:05] <zAo^> lukas, then there's a network problem (router??)
[01:05] <lukas> i cant telenet :(
[01:05] <lukas> yeah
[01:05] <lukas> and i dont hawe axxec to the router
[01:05] <zAo^> lukas, can you ping from the remote machine?
[01:06] <lukas> zAo^: yes
[01:06] <cbr> is there no alsaconf in ubuntu?
[01:06] <jowi> lukas, how do you try to connect to the remote machine?
[01:06] <zAo^> lukas, can I try to connect to your IP?
[01:07] <lukas> jowi: shh user@ip -p blabla
[01:07] <lukas> zAo^: well i think it is the router
[01:07] <DaZjorz> lukas: Is the remote machine Linux or Windows
[01:07] <lukas> hmma
[01:07] <lukas> netbsd
[01:07] <DaZjorz> ah
[01:08] <jowi> lukas, skip the -p part and you should be queried for the password (if the remote machine has a ssh server active that accepts connections)
[01:08] <dv__> no problems? :)
[01:08] <zAo^> just try `ssh -l USER IP`
[01:08] <lukas> james: hmm nice one
[01:09] <supernix> anyone here familiar with firestarter ?
[01:09] <lukas> jowi: even
[01:09] <jowi> :-)
[01:09] <DaZjorz> lukas: Try this
[01:09] <lukas> jowi: heh it hates me :/
[01:09] <DaZjorz> on the local machine
[01:09] <DaZjorz> ssh -l USER 127.0.0.1
[01:09] <DaZjorz> if that does work
[01:09] <DaZjorz> then its the router
[01:09] <cbr> is there no alsaconf in ubuntu?
[01:09] <znh> hmm, I can hardly choose between ext3 and reiserfs..
[01:09] <jowi> lukas, nah. but maybe your router is blocking port 22
[01:10] <DaZjorz> otherwise its the local pc
[01:10] <lukas> DaZjorz: it worked
[01:10] <zenwhen> i use reiser
[01:10] <zenwhen> never had a probelm with it, and it is faster
[01:11] <znh> yea, but I heard that ext3 is more stable
[01:11] <lukas> jowi: well i hawe put the port 5222 in the conf :/
[01:11] <znh> never had a unstable reiserfs anyways
[01:11] <Raptoid> selamlar.
[01:11] <suma> hey is this the right place to ask newbie questions?
[01:11] <znh> suma: yes, don't try #debian - they only make suggest you "RTFM"
[01:12] <tegan> I have a usb harddrive, (fat32) that's getting mounted with a umask of 077 (unhelpful to say the least) I have no entry in /etc/fstab for it, and it's all working quite nicely
[01:12] <jowi> lukas, have you told your client that? ssh user@ip -D port
[01:13] <lukas> jowi: -p 5222 isnt it ?
[01:13] <tegan> I know I can add an entry for the drive in fstab for it, but then it won't work for any other drives I add, does anyone know if I can change the defaults that the hotplug/automounter is using?
[01:13] <suma> cool well could anybody tell me how to get an authentication key for repository?
[01:14] <znh> suma: you don't need one, the files should have a key.. if they don't it's stil save (when you are using default reps.)
[01:14] <dv__> right now I'm deciding if I should switch to ubuntu
[01:14] <jowi> lukas, you are right. messed up
[01:14] <suma> no im using backport reps
[01:14] <znh> dv__: what had you have before
[01:14] <dv__> I have been using debian unstable, but this is totally broken now
[01:14] <znh> suma: I don't recommend backports
[01:14] <DaZjorz> lukas: If you can connect to local PC from Local and not from Remote
[01:14] <dv__> I still couldnt get kde to work,
[01:14] <dv__> gnome neither
[01:14] <znh> dv__: ubuntu is way better then debian unstable
[01:14] <dv__> now, ubuntu seems sweet
[01:14] <crashd> ubuntu is way better than debian.
[01:14] <suma> really why? i heard that's the only place to get mp3 codecs and the like
[01:15] <DaZjorz> lukas: then it must be the router. Try to turn the local firewall off. Does it work then ?
[01:15] <dv__> but, am I restricted to the precompiled kernel and gnome/kde?
[01:15] <dv__> since my laptop has some weird hw I have to configure the kernel on my own
[01:15] <tegan> marillat and backports both have potential for damage suma
[01:15] <Seveas> you can easily tweak the Ubuntu kernel
[01:15] <dv__> cool
[01:15] <Seveas> and Ubuntu has xfce, fluxbox, windowmaker,...
[01:15] <Seveas> dv__: You can find compilation instructions on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto
[01:15] <dv__> because, for example suse gets broken if one tampers with the kernel
[01:15] <znh> yea, I'm glad gnome is not burned in
[01:15] <suma> yes that's why i thought i would get a key so the software could be authenticated
[01:16] <Seveas> dv__, best is to follow these instructions and take the Ubuntu sources
[01:16] <dv__> does ubuntu use alsa as default?
[01:16] <dv__> k
[01:16] <Seveas> and just tweak what you need :)
[01:16] <znh> suma: you have to wait before the packages in backports become default, they they would get a 'key'
[01:16] <Seveas> ubuntun uses esd on top of alsa by default
[01:16] <dv__> you know, this system needs to load the fglrx driver *before* the sis-agp
[01:16] <Seveas> in the next version esd will be ditched again
[01:16] <dv__> else the agp does not work
[01:16] <dv__> etc.
[01:16] <dv__> a somewhat weird sys
[01:17] <Seveas> dv__, that requires no kernel compilation
[01:17] <znh> dv__: fglrx is always a whore
[01:17] <LinuxDolt> what ubuntu does is use an emulated oss beneath alsa beneath esd
[01:17] <Seveas> just add fglrx to the top of /etc/modules :)(
[01:17] <dv__> but sis-agp isnt compiled
[01:17] <dv__> is it?
[01:17] <Seveas> lemme checlk
[01:17] <Seveas> dennis@mirage ~ $ slocate sis-agp
[01:17] <Seveas> /home/dennis/temp/linux-source-2.6.10-2.6.10/drivers/char/agp/sis-agp.c
[01:17] <Seveas> /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/kernel/drivers/char/agp/sis-agp.ko
[01:17] <znh> lol my brother downloaded ubuntu from some 3rd party bittorrent site.. It was even more unstable then windows xD
[01:17] <suma> ahh well what do you recommend i do for the "lame" package. i heard it will never become default because of copyright issues.
[01:17] <DaZjorz> The transfer is still not finished....
[01:17] <Seveas> it is :)
[01:18] <DaZjorz> 100% | 100% | 72% | 63% | 68% | 58%
[01:18] <tegan> so anyone know how to change the default settings the default automounter is using?
[01:18] <znh> suma: what are you trying to play?
[01:18] <DaZjorz> Tegan: What do you want to tdo
[01:18] <Seveas> tegan, you mean the thing that mounts usb drives?
[01:18] <DaZjorz> Tegan: Not mount a partition at boot? Or something else?
[01:18] <suma> i have also managed to configure mp3 playback, im trying to enable mp3 ripping
[01:18] <tegan> my usb harddrive (which works just fine without any entries in fstab) gets the umask set to 077
[01:18] <suma> *replace "also" with "already"
[01:18] <znh> suma: from a stream?
[01:18] <Seveas> tegan, odd
[01:19] <tegan> I know :)
[01:19] <Seveas> is it a fat/ntfs drive?
[01:19] <lukas> where can i se if there is a failed connection ??
[01:19] <suma> znh: from a cd
[01:19] <DaZjorz> Tegan: Try to look for the parameters
[01:19] <Seveas> lukas, failed connection for what?
[01:19] <DaZjorz> Tegan: Maybe the USB driver is automounting it.
[01:19] <tegan> look for whose parameters where?
[01:19] <lukas> im trying to ssh
[01:19] <DaZjorz> Lukas:
[01:19] <Seveas> DaZjorz, no, that's done by pmount+hal
[01:19] <DaZjorz> Tegan: mount --help
[01:19] <znh> does anyone know some application that monitors harddisk activity?
[01:19] <Seveas> DaZjorz, that does not help
[01:19] <DaZjorz> Lukas: Try to turn your firewall off
[01:20] <Seveas> tegan, is it a fat/ntfs drive?
[01:20] <lukas> hmm
[01:20] <DVSoftware> znh, gkrellm
[01:20] <DaZjorz> Lukas: Its obvious that the SSH is working, but the remote SSH isn't
[01:20] <lukas> is there a fw on by deafault
[01:20] <tegan> daz: I know how to mount it, (it's fat) and I know that I can just add an entry in fstab for it, and it will go away
[01:20] <dv__> argh.
[01:20] <Seveas> lukas, do you try to SSH to your machine?
[01:20] <dv__> i hate disconnects.
[01:20] <tegan> but then it will happen again for any other usb drives
[01:20] <DaZjorz> Lukas: So there must be something wrong between your local and remote pc
[01:20] <DaZjorz> Seveas: Yes he did
[01:20] <znh> DVSoftware: yea, but I hate all those moving krellms
[01:20] <tegan> and I really don't want to have to go adding fstab entries for everything
[01:20] <DaZjorz> Seveas: And local SSH is working, but remote isn't.
[01:20] <tegan> sort of defeats the purpose of hotplug
[01:20] <Seveas> hmm ok
[01:20] <DaZjorz> Lukas: Are both pc's in the same network ?
[01:20] <Seveas> behind NAT?
just add fglrx to the top of /etc/modules :)( <- last line I got
[01:21] <lukas> DaZjorz: yes
[01:21] <Seveas> dv__, ah
[01:21] <znh> -- changing computer -- brb
[01:21] <DaZjorz> Lukas: Does pinging work ?
[01:21] <Seveas> dv__, well good news: sis-agp is compiled
[01:21] <lukas> DaZjorz: yes
[01:21] <dv__> fine
[01:21] <dv__> very fine
[01:21] <DVSoftware> znh, turn off krellms that you don't need
[01:21] <dv__> and powernow is included?
[01:21] <Seveas> yup
[01:21] <dv__> good
[01:21] <dv__> else my laptop would constantly run at 100% cpu :)
[01:21] <DaZjorz> lukas: Does your local pc, remote pc or router have a firewall?
[01:21] <Seveas> dv__, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/970
[01:21] <Seveas> that's the complete .config
[01:22] <dv__> hmm.
[01:22] <lukas> DaZjorz: the netbsd server has a firewall i think
[01:22] <dv__> ok, the crucial stuff is there
[01:22] <dv__> i think I can install ubuntu without any trouble
[01:22] <DaZjorz> lukas: Try to turn it off, if it works then, turn it on and add a rule for port 22
[01:22] <lukas> DaZjorz: i hawe no axx to root on that one or xxes to the router man this is fucking cracy :/
[01:24] <DaZjorz> lukas: No root access to the local PC ?
[01:24] <DaZjorz> how do you have SSH then
[01:24] <DaZjorz> i mean
[01:24] <DaZjorz> who gave you SSH access
[01:24] <DaZjorz> if you have no root access, then someone else must have
[01:24] <DaZjorz> you can't give SSH access to yourself
[01:24] <lukas> on the local yes but not on the netbsd one :/
[01:24] <Seveas> lukas, ssh kaarsemaker.net
[01:24] <Seveas> does that timeout?
[01:24] <DaZjorz> Administrateur? O.o lol
[01:24] <zAo^> :)
[01:24] <znh> must be frence
[01:24] <DaZjorz> yeah
[01:25] <DaZjorz> french
[01:25] <dv__> ubuntu didn't switch to gcc4 yet, right?
[01:25] <DaZjorz> a french administrator
[01:25] <znh> lol I can't even spell french :-P
[01:25] <znh> i... just did :-
[01:25] <suma> znh: i get the idea now... software from the backports is not signed by ubuntu and so might be a trojan... well i'd like to avoid being owned, so i think i'll avoid downloading --- thanks for help
[01:25] <Seveas> dv__, in the development verion gcc4 is the default for anything but the kernel
[01:25] <jtgameover> does anyone here know anything about installing fonts in ubuntu?
[01:25] <dv__> because the ati drivers do not support gcc4
[01:26] <Mez> suma, I can assure you you wont be "owned"
[01:26] <Stormx> Uh
[01:26] <lukas> Seveas: works :9
[01:26] <cloudreader> gcc4? you are running breezy?
[01:26] <Seveas> dv__, fglrx will not work in the next version since Ubuntu switches to X11R7 and fglrx has no driver for that...
[01:26] <Stormx> Really needing root permissions to a mounted hdd......
[01:26] <znh> Mez: he might mean the gamer explaination
[01:26] <Mez> suma, we're looking into getting the old repository signed
[01:26] <DaZjorz> Lukas: Lets see
[01:26] <Seveas> lukas, ok, so you can rule out problems on your machine
[01:26] <dv__> oh wonderful
[01:26] <Mez> suma: and the official backports is signed
[01:26] <Seveas> kick the administrator of the netbsd machine
[01:26] <DaZjorz> Lukas: You can SSH to local. Remote can SSH to outside network. Remote can't SSH to local.
[01:26] <lukas> Seveas: yes i know :)
[01:26] <znh> adminstrateur :-P
[01:27] <dv__> lets hope it doesnt take too long before ati releases a new version
[01:27] <DaZjorz> So the problem must be at local
[01:27] <Seveas> dv__, indeed
[01:27] <suma> really? how come when i try to download gstreamer0.8-lame it says it's not signed
[01:27] <lukas> DaZjorz: im sshing from a server on the local lan
[01:27] <DaZjorz> lukas: Problem must be at local. Try to turn off firewall
[01:27] <dv__> are there similar binary problems with nvidia drivers?
[01:27] <znh> dv__: start hopeing that you buy a nvidia card
[01:27] <tegan> so I take it knowone knows where hotplug's default umasks are coming from?
[01:27] <DaZjorz> lukas: huh ?
[01:27] <dv__> znh, in a *laptop*?
[01:27] <Stormx> Yo, how do I get root permissions for /mnt/windows/?
[01:27] <znh> dv__: sure
[01:27] <dv__> i have an nvidia card in the PC
[01:27] <Seveas> dv__, afaik yes but i'm not sure...
[01:27] <zAo^> Stormx, sudo -s
[01:27] <lukas> DaZjorz: i think its all fucked here hehehr
[01:27] <dv__> but I can't exchange the laptop graphics chipset :P
[01:27] <Seveas> Stormx, your talking nonsense :)
[01:27] <topyli> Seveas: ok, the user's home dir must be pretty screwed. no menu changes succeed, i even used smeg logged in as her
[01:27] <znh> dv__: awwww.. then buy a new laptop :-P
[01:28] <DaZjorz> Lukas: The problem is that nobody can SSH to the SSH server (local)
[01:28] <mjr> Seveas, hmh, given that, it would be even nicer if the r300 driver made it in... But can't have everything, I suppose.
[01:28] <DaZjorz> the SSH server must have a firewall
[01:28] <Seveas> Stormx, you mean *write* permissions i guess
[01:28] <DaZjorz> try to turn it off or add a rule
[01:28] <DaZjorz> in any way
[01:28] <Amaranth> topyli: you need to restart gnome-panel after making a change
[01:28] <DaZjorz> or ask the administrator of that machine
[01:28] <dv__> znh, gimme the money :)
[01:28] <topyli> Amaranth: i did, yes
[01:28] <zAo^> Stormx, is it a NTFS drive?
[01:28] <dv__> then I'll buy an IBM thinkpad with nvidia chip
[01:28] <dv__> :D
[01:28] <XIII> i need help with settin up real player
[01:28] <lukas> DaZjorz: not local and from outside
[01:28] <XIII> i set it up
[01:28] <Amaranth> topyli: you installed the gnome-menus 2.10.2 packages?
[01:29] <XIII> but after that it gave me that message when i tried to run it
[01:29] <XIII> Details: Failed to execute child process "realplay" (No such file or directory)
[01:29] <suma> ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net ... is that the official backports? do you experienced users find software from there to be safe?
[01:29] <Seveas> suma, use only hoary-extras from that repository
[01:29] <Seveas> suma, hoary-backports can be grabbed from archive.ubuntu.com
[01:29] <Mez> suma: It is safe... but, ofifcial is safer
[01:29] <XIII> also this message : Could not find 'realplay'
[01:29] <topyli> Amaranth: i seem to have 2.10.1 from backports
[01:29] <topyli> Amaranth: 2.10.2
[01:30] <Seveas> XIII: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[01:30] <Cayne> glibc 2.3.4 is this available with ubuntu?
[01:30] <Seveas> XIII, follow these instructions for properly installing realplayer
[01:30] <ofer0> any one knows a good ftp program for ubuntu? not kbear and gftp. they are both annoying
[01:30] <Seveas> Cayne, no
[01:30] <suma> ok understood i will try to minimize the software i download from there... thanks for help guys igtg
[01:30] <Cayne> :(
[01:30] <cloudreader> can somebody dcc send me a save sources.list with backports?
[01:30] <Stormx> Hey sorry
[01:30] <topyli> Amaranth: is it b0rken? should i revert back to previous?
[01:30] <Amaranth> topyli: no idea then
[01:30] <zAo^> XIII, installed realplayer ?
[01:30] <Amaranth> topyli: no, you need 2.10.2
[01:30] <lukas> hmm
[01:30] <Seveas> cloudreader: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[01:30] <Stormx> I just did sudo nautlilus /mnt/windows/
[01:30] <XIII> ok Seveas
[01:30] <Amaranth> topyli: i don't support any user not using 2.10.2 :)
[01:30] <Seveas> Stormx, BAD IDEA
[01:31] <topyli> Amaranth: ok, i'll investigate :)
[01:31] <Seveas> close that nautilus ASAP before it screws up .ICEauthority
[01:31] <lukas> bhha
[01:31] <cloudreader> thanks seveas
[01:31] <Stormx> Seveas: How so.....
[01:31] <Stormx> Seveas: Its FAT
[01:31] <zAo^> lol ^^
[01:31] <Seveas> Stormx, the proper way to get read/write access to fat is by mounting it correctly
[01:32] <Seveas> add umask=0000 to the mount options
[01:32] <Stormx> Seveas: It is mounted correctly xD
[01:32] <Stormx> Oh fair enough
[01:32] <Seveas> and please immediately close that nautilus
[01:32] <Stormx> Four 0s, not three?
[01:32] <zAo^> Seveas, make that gid=1000,umask=0002 plz
[01:32] <Seveas> zAo^, makes no difference for most people ;)
[01:32] <Stormx> ^_^ I just fucked up my drive, didn't I
[01:32] <Seveas> Stormx, no
[01:32] <lukas> arrg
[01:33] <zAo^> Seveas, well :) I dont want everyone to have writeacces on the whole drive :)
[01:33] <DaZjorz> Lukas ? Contact the adminstrator and ask him to turn firewall off or add an access rule for port 22
[01:33] <DaZjorz> thats all you have to do
[01:33] <DaZjorz> i expect it to work then
[01:33] <lukas> DaZjorz: i know
[01:33] <DaZjorz> *though i expect these things more...*
[01:33] <Stormx> Um. I got errors in terminal x.X
[01:33] <Seveas> but you might have f*ed up your login, if you have problems logging in the next time: login on the console and rm ~/.*authority
[01:33] <lukas> DaZjorz: just that he is not there
[01:33] <Shish> If I have a bug that I'd think is an upstream GNOME thing (but I'm not entirely sure, and don't want to build a vanilla GNOME for myself to find out), should I post it in the GNOME or ubuntu bugzilla?
[01:33] <DaZjorz> lukas: Write it down :)
[01:33] <Seveas> Stormx, if you really want to do it properly, unmount the drive and remove it from fstab
[01:33] <Seveas> Stormx: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[01:34] <lukas> i will ;)
[01:34] <DaZjorz> lukas: Or call him. Since there is an SSH server running, he could probably do it remote.
[01:34] <Stormx> Seveas: Thanks
[01:34] <DaZjorz> lukas: Some people can even remote control their SSH server with their mobile
[01:34] <Seveas> zAo^, ^-- that script by default does the uid=1000,fmask=0133,dmask=0022 :)
[01:34] <lukas> hehe
[01:35] <zAo^> Seveas, nice :)
[01:35] <lukas> hmm brb fixxing some coffy
[01:35] <zAo^> is there a way to emulate AIX on my ubuntu machine?
[01:35] <topyli> DaZjorz: i do it all the time :)
[01:35] <ofer0> any one knows a good ftp program for ubuntu? not kbear and gftp. they are both annoying ?
[01:35] <Seveas> zAo^, why would you want to emulate a broken OS :)
[01:36] <Demian___> what is an easy program to convert flac to mp3?
[01:36] <Seveas> ofer0, places -> connect to server
[01:36] <Seveas> ofer0, or mc
[01:36] <ofer0> mc?
[01:36] <dv__> apart from the DE at the beginning,
[01:36] <ofer0> midnight commander?
[01:36] <Seveas> yup
[01:36] <dv__> does it matter if I choose ubuntu or kubuntu?
[01:36] <ofer0> ok thanx Seveas
[01:36] <zAo^> Seveas, lol :) I work for a large bank a a AIX/SUN security officer; like to test some things without bying a RS/6000 ;)
[01:36] <ags06> what is the root password
[01:36] <Seveas> dv__, if you want gnome: Ubuntu, if you want KDE: kUbuntu
[01:36] <zAo^> dv__, do you like gnome?
[01:36] <Seveas> ags06, there is no root password
[01:37] <cloudreader> seveas: I created a new sources.list with the stuff you pointed me too and there are errors loading synaptic
[01:37] <dv__> yes, but I can get gnome if I installed kubuntu, and vice versa, right?
[01:37] <zAo^> dv__, right
[01:37] <Seveas> dv__, absolutely
[01:37] <dv__> I like to switch between them
[01:37] <Seveas> takes one command :)
[01:37] <Seveas> dv__, then install Ubuntu
[01:37] <dv__> sometimes kde, sometimes gnome, sometimes ion3
[01:37] <dv__> (what a contrast :) )
[01:37] <Seveas> and whrn it's installed: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[01:37] <topyli> Demian___: Sound Converter: http://soundconverter.berlios.de/
[01:37] <dv__> hmmmm
[01:37] <dv__> k
[01:38] <Seveas> cloudreader, what's the error?
[01:38] <Seveas> DaZjorz, that is technically possible
[01:38] <cloudreader> seveas: I closed the window, let me restart synaptic
[01:38] <ags06> i just installed ubuntu
[01:38] <ags06> linux newbie
[01:39] <DaZjorz> And ?
[01:39] <Seveas> ags06, welcome aboard then :)
[01:39] <ags06> everything seems alright
[01:39] <kemik> ags06: the root pass is usually the same as you default user
[01:39] <ags06> thanx
[01:39] <Demian___> topyli, thnx
[01:39] <Seveas> kemik, bull
[01:39] <DaZjorz> Join the group, ags06
[01:39] <tegan> kemik no it's not
[01:39] <Seveas> there is no root password
[01:39] <zAo^> ags06, take a look @ www.ubuntuguide.org
[01:39] <Seveas> !ubuntuguide
[01:39] <DaZjorz> Seveas: You know a good IRC program ?
[01:39] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[01:39] <tegan> sudo asks for _your_ oassword
[01:39] <zAo^> DaZjorz, Xchat ?
[01:39] <Seveas> ags06, do NOT look at ubuntuguide.org, try wiki.ubuntu.com
[01:39] <cloudreader> seveas: no errors anymore, I guess it complained about my having put a completely new sources.list
[01:40] <zAo^> Seveas, :S
[01:40] <Seveas> cloudreader, hehe :)
[01:40] <kemik> tegan: mmh thats true
[01:40] <DaZjorz> zAo: Console or KDE
[01:40] <Seveas> cloudreader, something about 'Unable to open /var/lib/apt/lists/something' I guess
[01:40] <dv__> uh, I should get 5.04, right?
[01:40] <zAo^> DaZjorz, for Gnome: Xchat, for console: BitchX
[01:40] <Seveas> dv__, yes
[01:40] <DaZjorz> zAo^: KDE IRC program
[01:40] <Seveas> that's the latest stable
[01:41] <zAo^> DaZjorz, dont remember the name, mom
[01:41] <kemik> DaZjorz: gui: xchat console: irssi
[01:41] <Seveas> kvirc maybe?
[01:41] <tegan> bitchx is evil, use irssi, just like bitchx, but without all the evil autokick/autoban/autocrap
[01:41] <Seveas> kopete does irc too
[01:41] <zAo^> DaZjorz, Konversation !
[01:41] <typo> I can't make my microphone work. The levels seem to be fine, any hints?
[01:41] <DaZjorz> Thanks :)
[01:41] <Seveas> typo, speak louder ;)
[01:41] <lee> tegan: plus irssi isn't a steaming pile of buggy feces =)
[01:41] <DaZjorz> Gonna install Ubuntu now.
[01:42] <dv__> mic in linux seems to be some real issue
[01:42] <Seveas> lee, true :)
[01:42] <dv__> never got it to work either
[01:42] <zAo^> DaZjorz, not on Ubuntu at all?
[01:42] <typo> dv__, works fine in my laptop
[01:42] <XIII> Seveas it's the same
[01:42] <dv__> ah, typo.
[01:42] <XIII> nothing changed
[01:42] <dv__> it DOES work, but I hear me speaking, which is something i dont want
[01:42] <DaZjorz> zAo^: I'm gonna delete Windows and install Ubuntu. Then install Windows in VMWare, if I need it.
[01:42] <DaZjorz> Cuz I like Ubuntu.
[01:42] <XIII> and it doesn't work again that real player
[01:42] <typo> dv__, yes, but I can't get even that to work
[01:42] <DaZjorz> See ya in Ubuntu in 30 minutes or something :)
[01:42] <tegan> so anyone even know exactly what process handles automounting usb drives in ubuntu 5.04? there doesn't seem to be any autofs stuff
[01:43] <zAo^> DaZjorz, welcome :) Did that too. Nerver started vmware though lol :)
[01:43] <Seveas> dv__, lol :)
[01:43] <Seveas> tegan, HAL + pmount
[01:43] <Digis> tegan, gnome-volume-manager too
[01:43] <cloudreader> I got my grandfather to migrate from windows to ubuntu and he is very happy (he is 71) he kept gettins spyware and viruses in Windows
[01:43] <Seveas> true, that one too
[01:43] <ags06> has anyone tried to install realplayer
[01:43] <ags06> if not what i use to play *.rm files
[01:43] <XIII> anyone has anyother solution for that real player to run from my machine?
[01:43] <ags06> and what about firewall
[01:43] <zAo^> cloudreader, good to hear so :)
[01:44] <Seveas> ags06: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[01:44] <Seveas> ags06: Ubuntu has, like every other linux distribution, firewalling built into the kernel. A simple frontend to this firewall is firestarter.
[01:44] <DaZjorz> Cloudreader: Lol, thats fantastic
[01:44] <lee> you keep mentioning hal and hal having problems with 2.6.12, Seveas ... what is hal? (and are there 9000 of them)
[01:44] <zAo^> XIII, error msg?
[01:44] <XIII> yeah
[01:44] <DaZjorz> Cloudreader: I never heard that people who are 65+ like Linux LOOOOOL
[01:44] <XIII> Details: Failed to execute child process "realplay" (No such file or directory)
[01:44] <XIII> also this message : Could not find 'realplay'
[01:44] <Seveas> lee, HAL == hardware abstraction layer
[01:44] <zAo^> XIII, installed by apt?
[01:44] <black_Nightmare> any of you know if the livecd (its slight older copy I think admittly) supports pc-to-pc usb transfer cables?
[01:44] <XIII> no
[01:44] <Seveas> XIII, sudo updatedb (takes a while)
[01:44] <cloudreader> he found it easier to use than windows as unlike windows he can't screw serious things (as he doesn't know how to to sudo and let's keep it that way!)
[01:45] <black_Nightmare> I think the livecd is Hoary
[01:45] <Seveas> XIII, then: slocate realplay
[01:45] <zAo^> black_Nightmare, I think so yes
[01:45] <XIII> .bin and .rpm
[01:45] <lee> Seveas: where is that controlled/what is it controlled by?
[01:45] <Seveas> XIII, paste the output of the latter on the pastebin
[01:45] <zAo^> XIII, `sudo apt-get install realplayer`
[01:45] <Seveas> lee, I'm afraid I don't know the details, but it's a layer between kernel and system programs
[01:46] <cloudreader> He had just trouble configuring his printer and I couldn't do it for him as I am many milles away but I suggested he requests help in the forum and now it is fine
[01:46] <XIII> Seveas where is the pastebin?
[01:46] <dv__> :O
[01:46] <dv__> 600 MB
[01:46] <Seveas> !pastebin
[01:46] <ubotu> pastebin is probably at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[01:46] <black_Nightmare> zAo^ hm ty I was curious about using the livecd to transfer things from another pc to this pc just once without having to bother installing the window drivers for the cable etc
[01:46] <dv__> forgot about the size of that iso
[01:46] <black_Nightmare> ;)
[01:46] <lee> Seveas: ok, let me rephrase, where is it, some package, or some config option in the kernel?
[01:46] <XIII> !pastebin
[01:46] <Stormx> Seveas, sorry I'm a little late here. What do I do with that file you linked me to?
[01:46] <ubotu> methinks pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[01:46] <cloudreader> The average 65+ just needs Email, Web browser, Openoffice and printer configured. Ubuntu rules at that
[01:47] <Stormx> http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[01:47] <Stormx> that one
[01:47] <dv__> is there a install-CD-torrent?
[01:47] <black_Nightmare> cloudreader...lol
[01:47] <Seveas> Stormx, download it
[01:47] <dv__> oh
[01:47] <Stormx> Seveas: done
[01:47] <Seveas> and run sudo bash winmc_fstab
[01:47] <dv__> just overlooked them
[01:47] <lee> Seveas: also, do you realise this is a linux help channel? you're not being anywhere near condescending enough ;)
[01:47] <Stormx> no such file or directory... but it is there >_>
[01:48] <rzr> hi
[01:48] <zAo^> ($PATH correct??)
[01:48] <dv__> um, the install/live DVD is for both install-less preview and installing, right?
[01:48] <cloudreader> My grandpa stil doesn't believe that he is not likely to get more viruses and keeps running f-prot for viruses in ubuntu like he got used to do in windows
[01:48] <zAo^> lo rzr
[01:48] <dv__> if so, I'll check out the dvd at the university
[01:48] <Seveas> lee, ehrm, english is not my native language. What's 'condescending'?
[01:48] <rzr> how comes that hoary's vlc cant encore in theroa ?
[01:48] <zAo^> cloudreader, lol :)
[01:48] <rzr> how comes that hoary's vlc cant encoDe in theroa ?
[01:48] <Seveas> dv__, it is indeed
[01:48] <Stormx> Seveas: How handy ;-)
[01:49] <lee> Seveas: are you familiar with #debian, specifically mwilson? otherwise, read "rude and obnoxious" ;)
[01:49] <SquareGuy> dv__, yeah the dvd image is quite nice
[01:49] <Seveas> lee, check :)
[01:49] <tegan> manager.c/91: non-local DISPLAY variable, exiting
[01:49] <tegan> stupid gnome-volume-manager won't let me use it remotely :(
[01:49] <Seveas> lee, we like to keep this channel friendly, unlike #debian :)
[01:49] <bystander> lee: mwilson has raised rudeness to the level of art ;)
[01:50] <dv__> now it would be perfect if I found some store with a linux magazine with an ubuntu hoary DVD :)
[01:50] <lee> bystander: he is certainly a master of his craft
[01:50] <XIII> Seveas : http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/329888
[01:51] <Hoaas|n00b> Can anyone tell me how to install codecs so I can play .mp3? or where to find it?
[01:51] <lukas> hmm
[01:51] <bystander> !mp3
[01:51] <ubotu> hmm... mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[01:51] <lukas> if i want to create a file what do i do then
[01:51] <lukas> touche or somting
[01:51] <topyli> lukas: touch
[01:51] <flodine> can someone tell me is there a gtk-themes for ubuntu?
[01:51] <lukas> ahha
[01:52] <zAo^> Seveas, duurde even, maar het betekend "verliest zijn zelfrespekt"
[01:52] <joakim> Guys, I need some help :D How do I make a certain screen resolution default for each user when he/she logs on? The "default for %n" does not really work as intended
[01:52] <jowi> flodine, art.gnome.org is a good place to start/continue
[01:52] <XIII> zAo^ : root@nihon:/home/xiii # sudo apt-get install realplayer
[01:52] <XIII> Reading package lists... Done
[01:52] <XIII> Building dependency tree... Done
[01:52] <XIII> realplayer is already the newest version.
[01:52] <XIII> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[01:52] <topyli> flodine: sure, and more on the web
[01:52] <topyli> how nice
[01:52] <topyli> :)
[01:53] <Seveas> zAo^, heej, nog meer Nederlanders :)
[01:53] <flodine> no the theme changer
[01:53] <Seveas> zAo^, #ubuntu-nl </spam> :)
[01:53] <joakim> Which file can I edit to remove certain screen resolutions or add the one I want from startup?
[01:53] <Seveas> XIII, how are you starting realplayer?
[01:53] <topyli> flodine: you mean gtk-theme-switch?
[01:53] <u19809> any php5 packages around ?
[01:53] <flodine> yes
[01:53] <cloudreader> If somebody is interested I have put together a loginscreen that resembles XP, with faces to click on
[01:53] <Seveas> joakim, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:53] <Seveas> u19809, people.debian.org/~dexter/
[01:53] <joakim> Thanks
[01:54] <u19809> thx
[01:54] <XIII> direct click on applications/sound and video/realplayer10
[01:54] <joakim> Oh yeah, I remember this file from my Gentoo days ^^
[01:54] <XIII> or right click on the file i want to open and to choose from the list real player 10
[01:54] <flodine> topli yes
[01:54] <topyli> flodine: yep, it's in universe
[01:54] <jowi> flowin, yes, gnome-theme-manager can change gtk. but personally i downloaded gtk-chtheme since it is much lighter
[01:54] <bystander> flodine: gtk-theme-switch is the name of the package :)
[01:55] <Seveas> XIII, hmm, maybe it starts the wrong one. You still have a lot of realplayer cruft in your homedir. Try moving that to a new folder
[01:55] <jowi> flodine, that comment was ment for you, not flowin
[01:55] <jowi> :-)
[01:55] <XIII> how Seveas ?
[01:56] <joakim> Seveas, may I private message you for a second?
[01:56] <Stormx> No.
[01:56] <Seveas> XIII, mkdir /home/xiii/cruft
[01:56] <Seveas> mv /home/xiii/programs/realplayer /home/xiii/cruft
[01:56] <Seveas> joakim, sure
[01:57] <XIII> Seveas then?
[01:57] <Seveas> then retry
[01:57] <Seveas> oh and: mv /home/xiii/Desktop/hxsetup /home/xiii/cruft
[01:58] <XIII> then??, retry to run or to install??
[01:58] <Seveas> run
[01:58] <Stormx> Yo, any problems/suggestions with putting WINE on ubuntu?
[01:58] <XIII> ok
[01:58] <XIII> Details: Failed to execute child process "realplay" (No such file or directory)
[01:59] <XIII> Could not find 'realplay'
[01:59] <XIII> the same result Seveas
[01:59] <zAo^> :S where is the realplayer binary located? run full path
[02:00] <DreamHacker> hello
[02:00] <Seveas> hmm
[02:00] <Seveas> XIII, this is a quick hack: sudo ln -s /usr/local/RealPlayer/realplay /usr/bin/realplay
[02:01] <zAo^> hehe
[02:01] <joakim> Can you btw install windows media player plugin for Firefox on Ubuntu? :D
[02:01] <lukas> we we we
[02:01] <lukas> lol
[02:01] <XIII> The filename "realplay.bin" indicates that this file is of type "unknown". The contents of the file indicate that the file is of type "executable". If you open this file, the file might present a security risk to your system.
[02:01] <XIII> Do not open the file unless you created the file yourself, or received the file from a trusted source. To open the file, rename the file to the correct extension for "executable", then open the file normally. Alternatively, use the Open With menu to choose a specific application for the file.
[02:01] <lukas> the admin is awake :/
[02:01] <Seveas> joakim, you gave a sick mind :)
[02:01] <joakim> I know I know :)
[02:02] <DreamHacker> anyone knows how to find and install vidix driver for mplayer?
[02:02] <Seveas> XIII, hmm, something fishy is going on there, probably due to the failed install attempts earlier.
[02:02] <joakim> Come on please, I want windows messenger! :D
[02:02] <XIII> root@nihon:/home/xiii # sudo ln -s /usr/local/RealPlayer/realplay /usr/bin/realplay
[02:02] <XIII> root@nihon:/home/xiii #
[02:02] <wezzer-> I have a question concerning this web page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeepMediaPlayer
[02:02] <Seveas> XIII, in a terminal you type: realplay
[02:02] <DreamHacker> joakim, use GAIM!!
[02:02] <Seveas> what does that give you?
[02:02] <wezzer-> this command won't work - sudo apt-get install bmp-skins
[02:02] <wezzer-> there is no package named bmp-skins
[02:03] <joakim> GAIM doesnt allow me to watch nekkid chicks on cam :D
[02:03] <DreamHacker> HAHA
[02:03] <DreamHacker> LOL
[02:03] <Seveas> wezzer-, there is no such package
[02:03] <XIII> Seveas it freezes
[02:03] <priest> joakim: install the CVS of amsn
[02:06] <wezzer-> Seveas: then how can I install skins to beep media player?
[02:06] <zAo^> wezzer-, use the xmms-skins and move them...
[02:06] <XIII> root@nihon:/home/xiii # realplay
[02:06] <XIII> root@nihon:/home/xiii #
[02:06] <wezzer-> okay, thanks
[02:06] <Nameeater> apt-cache search bmp | grep skin bmp-skins - Skins for XMMS
[02:06] <Seveas> wezzer-, no idea really...
[02:06] <jowi> wezzer-, you need to add extra repositories
[02:06] <dv__> can debian and ubuntu packages be mixed freely?
[02:06] <Seveas> Nameeater, hmm
[02:06] <tegan> sometimes, but not really dv__
[02:06] <djp> !dma
[02:06] <dv__> that is, if there is no ubuntu package, trying it with debian mirrors
[02:06] <Nameeater> maybe its in backports or what ever its called :)
[02:06] <tegan> depends on the deps of that package
[02:06] <Seveas> Nameeater, paste the output of apt-cache show bmp-skins in a private chat please :)
[02:06] <DreamHacker> debian packages use to work fine for me
[02:06] <Dr_Melectaus> Can anyone help me, when ever i try to play an audio file in music playrt it saying cant use playback
[02:06] <wezzer-> jowi: which repositories?
[02:06] <Seveas> dv__, Ubuntu has most of debian and more
[02:06] <tegan> DreamHacker: depends on whether you are pulling from deb stable, or deb testing
[02:06] <hayden> is there any mac os x dock app like the starterbar? i dont like it much
[02:06] <tegan> deb testing/unstable is getting further and further away from hoary
[02:06] <jowi> wezzer-, hoary backports universe
[02:06] <DreamHacker> okej
[02:06] <dv__> also some problematic stuff like mplayer, libdvdcss .... ?
[02:06] <jowi> !backports
[02:06] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[02:06] <tegan> and if it's in deb stable, then it's probably in hoary anyway :)
[02:06] <Nameeater> Seveas: http://pastebin.com/329894
[02:06] <wezzer-> jowi: thanks
[02:06] <Seveas> dv__, mplayer is in multiverse, dvdcss in hoary-extras
[02:06] <jowi> Filename: dists/hoary-backports/universe/binary-i386/bmp-skins_0.1-2~5.04ubp1_all.deb
[02:06] <{cYanide}> hi er
[02:06] <jowi> wezzer-, you are welcome
[02:06] <{cYanide}> im trying to use my usb modem, (its detected n all fine, eaglestat says its all ok) but when i startadsl.. nothing happens
[02:07] <cyborg> plz help. permission denied when accessing /mnt/win. fstab contains user,uid='myuid'. why is permission denied?
[02:07] <dv__> you set the permissions for /mnt/win?
[02:07] <DreamHacker> anyone knows how to find and install the vidix driver for mplayer?
[02:07] <zAo^> cyborg, what is the umask?
[02:07] <dv__> and chown'ed the user?
[02:07] <cyborg> my umask is 0022
[02:07] <Seveas> dv__, these things have no effect on windows things :)
[02:07] <zAo^> cyborg, the mount-umask?
[02:08] <dv__> but I cant mount a windows partition on a dir owned by root
[02:08] <dv__> if I am a regular user
[02:08] <Seveas> cyborg, put your /etc/fstab, the output of mount and ls -al /mnt on the pastebin please
[02:08] <mjr> dv__, you can, if it's allowed in /etc/fstab
[02:08] <dv__> with user and users?
[02:08] <lukas> hmm
[02:08] <jowi> {cYanide}, try to install pppoeconf to configure your connection
[02:08] <dv__> didn't work regardless of these flags being present
[02:08] <dv__> and uid=1000 gid=100 was present too
[02:09] <dv__> still, no effect
[02:09] <lukas> there is NO firewall on ubuntu by default ??
[02:09] <Seveas> lukas: Ubuntu has, like every other linux distribution, firewalling built into the kernel. A simple frontend to this firewall is firestarter.
[02:09] <{cYanide}> ok jowi, er is there a commandline way to install , or just via the package installer?
[02:09] <mjr> lukas, the firewall is not on by default because it doesn't need to; ubuntu doesn't listen to the network by default either
[02:09] <lukas> Seveas: wher do i se if firestarter is upp ?
[02:10] <cyborg> /dev/hda1 /mnt/win0 ntfs ro,noauto,user,uid=0022 0 0
[02:10] <Seveas> lukas, if you install it, it is on
[02:10] <CarlFK> trying to use nfs, i get: "mount: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused" (no firewall)
[02:10] <jowi> {cYanide}, sudo apt-get install pppoeconfig
[02:10] <{cYanide}> sweet tnx
[02:10] <Seveas> cyborg, ehrm
[02:10] <lukas> Seveas: ahha
[02:10] <Seveas> you put a umask in your uid
[02:10] <Seveas> cyborg, that will never work :)
[02:10] <lukas> hmm
[02:10] <cyborg> Seveas?
[02:10] <Seveas> cyborg, remove that line from /etc/fstab please
[02:10] <Seveas> cyborg: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[02:10] <lukas> ps aux | grep firestarter
[02:11] <Seveas> lukas, nope
[02:11] <lukas> bhha
[02:11] <lukas> wrong
[02:11] <Seveas> lukas, iptables -L
[02:11] <Seveas> :)
[02:11] <Seveas> the firestarter program does not have to run for the firewall to be active
[02:11] <benkong2> could someone go here and tell me why I get a directory listing instead of the apache test page? http://www.bfdavis.org
[02:11] <kemik> Seveas: there really should be a better explanation of that http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab program, i dont think many newbies knows what a bash script is
[02:12] <Seveas> kemik, it has instructions in it :)
[02:12] <hayden> is there any mac os x dock app like the starterbar? i dont like it much
[02:12] <lukas> ACCEPT icmp -- anywhere anywhere
[02:12] <lukas> ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere
[02:12] <Whistler> kemik http://www.bfdavis.org/apache2-default/index.html.en
[02:12] <kemik> Seveas: :)
[02:12] <Seveas> benkong2, maybe you have disabled the variable html stuff in the apache config
[02:12] <jowi> benkong2, you do not have an index.html
[02:12] <kemik> Whistler: you've successfully installed Apache ;)
[02:13] <lukas> Seveas: is everyting of or what ?
[02:13] <Seveas> jowi, there does not need to be such a file :)
[02:13] <Seveas> lukas, if that is the complete output, you did not install firestarter yet :)
[02:13] <Dr_Melectaus> How do i re-install Music player
[02:13] <benkong2> Seveas; I noticed that there is a line in apache alias that says disabled for ubuntu. I uncommented that line maybe I should not have
[02:13] <jowi> Seveas, but it makes life easier :-)
[02:13] <Seveas> benkong2, which line was that?
[02:13] <Seveas> benkong2, afaik that line is harmless
[02:14] <priest> i have change theme on my gdm, and change theme in my user, but still i have a brown background between gdm and when gnome starts up, how do i get rid of it?
[02:14] <benkong2> let me check...does the index.html.en not work
[02:14] <Seveas> jowi, not in this case, apache should pick index.html.$something too
[02:14] <Dr_Melectaus> could someone tell me how i re-install Music player
[02:14] <Seveas> it's something in the config
[02:14] <Seveas> Dr_Melectaus, which one?
[02:14] <jowi> Seveas, oh alright
[02:15] <Dr_Melectaus> Seveas, the only one i have on ubuntu :-\
[02:15] <Dr_Melectaus> the default one
[02:15] <hayden> rename index.html.en to index.html
[02:15] <Seveas> Dr_Melectaus, what's its name? :)
[02:15] <lukas> bhha
[02:16] <Seveas> (I've used UBuntu for too long to forget which is the default music player :))
[02:16] <lukas> unstabel server
[02:16] <benkong2> in sites-available/default it says "RedirectMatch ^/$ /apache2-default/" commented out for ubuntu
[02:16] <sJaM> Rhytmbox Seveas
[02:16] <avanspronsen> Dr_Melectaus: MPlayer?
[02:16] <jowi> or totem
[02:16] <lukas> Seveas: is there a log for the ssh connections in to my local server
[02:16] <Dr_Melectaus> avan, Music player
[02:17] <Seveas> lukas, /var/log/auth* should say something
[02:17] <Dr_Melectaus> apps>sound and vid>Music Player
[02:17] <Seveas> benkong2, better leave that off indeed :)
[02:17] <cloudr> Can anybody help me get my micro working under gstreamer-properties (output filter) see http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54560
[02:17] <Seveas> Dr_Melectaus, sudo apt-get install --reinstall rhythmbox
[02:18] <cloudr> hi Casagrande
[02:18] <Chaotic_Shield> morning everyone
[02:18] <Dr_Melectaus> Seveas, its called Music Player though
[02:18] <Seveas> Dr_Melectaus, true, but its real name is rhythmbox :)
[02:18] <benkong2> Seveas; ok
[02:18] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield, stop spreading toxic fumes please ;)
[02:19] <lukas> hmm
[02:19] <lukas> i dont find any conections in i think
[02:19] <Chaotic_Shield> Sure Seveas, as long as you stop highlighting me.
[02:19] <Seveas> ;)
[02:19] <Chaotic_Shield> :-P
[02:20] <CarlFK> how do I set what IP/interfase nfs-server binds to?
[02:20] <lukas___> hmma
[02:20] <speedy73> #nemerle
[02:20] <lukas___> whats so unstabel
[02:20] <Groov> pg
[02:20] <cloudr> CarlFK: vi /etc/exports
[02:21] <CarlFK> cloudr - um... that is what can mount - not what nic the server uses
[02:21] <Seveas> speedy73, stop spamming
[02:21] <cloudr> CarlFK: I see what you mean, then no idea mate.
[02:21] <CarlFK> rats.
[02:21] <CarlFK> but thanks for trying ;)
[02:21] <lukas> hmma
[02:22] <lukas> i dont get this :/
[02:22] <lukas> well well
[02:23] <lukas> bbl going home
[02:23] <jowi> cloudr, open a terminal: 'killall esd' + gnome -> system -> prefs -> sound: untick "enable server at start" + multimedia-system-selector: select default sink = alsa
[02:24] <Seveas> jowi, bad idea
[02:24] <Seveas> all applications ubuntu comes with use esd
[02:24] <wijnand> is it possible to create keyboard shortcuts for other tasks than the ones already listed in System --> Preferences --> Keyboard Shortcuts?
[02:24] <Seveas> so you would have to change a lot
[02:24] <Seveas> wijnand, ye
[02:24] <Seveas> s
[02:24] <Stormx> Hey, when im running commands, what is a substitude for a whitespace?
[02:24] <Seveas> in gconf-editor
[02:24] <BTJustice> I got a little problem with GRUB. I made a GRUB floppy boot disk. When I try to boot from it, all it says is GRUB and nothing else and doesn't do anything. I can't see any files on it in Windows XP (which I am on now). What should I do so I can boot into my newly installed Kubuntu?
[02:25] <Seveas> wijnand, somewhere in the /apps/metacity key
[02:25] <crashd> hmm
[02:25] <wijnand> Seveas: ok thanks
[02:25] <cloudr> jowi: I will give that a try. Are you available in MSN or ICQ in case it doesn't work or needs further tweaking?
[02:25] <jowi> Seveas, esd crashes the most useful programs out there. Skype for example does not work with it enabled.
[02:25] <crashd> how do you configure acpi/power on ubuntu
[02:25] <lllmanulll> BTJustice, does it say something like "grub>" ?
[02:25] <crashd> i want to set the actions for power button and screen down
[02:25] <lllmanulll> BTJustice, You probably want to learn a few basic Grub commands ?
[02:25] <tegan> who made metacity the default anyway
[02:25] <Stormx> What do you use for a white space when running commands?
[02:25] <jowi> cloudr, I only use skype or you can find me in here
[02:26] <tegan> it refuses to let my applications use shortcut keys
[02:26] <Seveas> Stormx, '\ '
[02:26] <Seveas> without ''
[02:26] <cloudr> jowi: ok, give me a minute
[02:26] <Stormx> OK thanks
[02:26] <lllmanulll> BTJustice, But the simplest way would probably be to use a Knoppix or an Ubuntu boot cd to install Grub on your MBR
[02:26] <BTJustice> lllmanulll: I stick the floppy in, turn computer on, it read floppy, and all it says is GRUB with a cursor after it. It does nothing else. It asks me nothing.
[02:27] <Stormx> bah, it no workig
[02:27] <BTJustice> I can't install GRUB to MBR. WIndows XP is on a SATA hard drive (C:)
[02:27] <Stormx> fixme:actctx:QueryActCtxW stub!
[02:27] <Seveas> Stormx, what is the command you are trying?
[02:27] <hume> hi... what do I need to put in a .xinitrc-file to make startx start with xfce4?
[02:27] <cloudr> jowi: still the same Failed to contruct test pipeline for 'ALSA
[02:27] <lllmanulll> BTJustice, Yup, that looks like Grub all right :) It is like a mini-shell, there are commands you can run
[02:32] <cloudr> jowi: there was no esd process anyway
[02:32] <lllmanulll> BTJustice, I see... I don't know a lot about this...
[02:32] <jowi> cloudr, how about esdd?
[02:32] <lllmanulll> BTJustice, Serial-ATA hard drive don't have MBR ?
[02:32] <BTJustice> lllmanulll: It won;t ask me right off the bat if I want to boot Ubuntu?
[02:32] <jowi> cloudr, alsa will fail if esd is running
[02:32] <lllmanulll> BTJustice, Well it should
[02:32] <cloudr> jowi: no esdd either
[02:32] <BTJustice> lllmanulll: It won't right to its MBR for some reason.
[02:32] <CarlFK> cloudr - found it: /etc/default/portmap: # By default, listen only on the loopback interface; OPTIONS="-i 127.0.0.1"
[02:32] <lllmanulll> BTJustice, But you probably need to install it on the MBR of your first drive...
[02:32] <{cYanide}> hi again, er i tried ppoeconf but still the same problem
[02:32] <BTJustice> Probably because the only way I can install Linux on my computer is to run "boot: linux pci-noacpi"
[02:32] <{cYanide}> i took 2 screenshots thou
[02:32] <cloudr> CarlFK: oh yes the portmap, had forgotten about that
[02:32] <yuacht> is it safe to upgrade to breezy atm?
[02:32] <{cYanide}> http://legion.gibbering.net/cyanidenights/modem1.png , http://legion.gibbering.net/cyanidenights/modem2.png
[02:32] <Seveas> yuacht, no
[02:32] <yuacht> Seveas, what's broken?
[02:32] <lllmanulll> BTJustice, Sorry, I don't know much more than that
[02:32] <lllmanulll> BTJustice, You can still try to learn a few basic GRUB commands
[02:32] <lllmanulll> BTJustice, Should be able to find this with Google
[02:32] <cyborg> Seveas, 10x. winmac_fstab didn't run well, but reading it helped.
[02:32] <cloudr> jowi: OSS also fails not just ALSA, but only for the micro. For the input sink both alsa and oss work
[02:32] <lllmanulll> BTJustice, But I find it weird it couldn't be installed onto the MBR
[02:32] <jowi> cloudr, so alsa as an input now work?
[02:32] <lllmanulll> BTJustice, I guess Google might help you about this ("MBR" "SATA", etc.)
[02:32] <{cYanide}> er it wouldnt install to the mbr here at first
[02:32] <Seveas> yuacht, X still is not completely cured
[02:32] <{cYanide}> i had to delete the partition and repartition
[02:32] <{cYanide}> then it did
[02:32] <Seveas> cyborg, what was the problem?
[02:32] <cloudr> jowi: no, no change. ALSA works as output. Nothing works as input. but /dev/dsp2 is my micro and works
[02:32] <cloudr> jowi: cat < dev/dsp2 > /dev/dsp gets my voice on the speakers
[02:32] <jowi> cloudr, the commandline tool alsamixer has an option to change mic. have you tried that?
[02:32] <tristia> is really ubuntu shipping is free..>?
[02:33] <dazjorz> Hello :D
[02:33] <{cYanide}> is ubuntu shipping really free (fixed)
[02:33] <dazjorz> Yes
[02:33] <sdefresne> yes
[02:33] <dazjorz> its really free
[02:33] <cloudr> jowi: no I haven't
[02:33] <yuacht> Seveas, how much trouble is that for me? What doesn't work?
[02:33] <jowi> cloudr, alsamixer has that option but gnome-volume-control (for the alsa device) does not. might be worth a try
[02:34] <dazjorz> Guys, guess what
[02:34] <dazjorz> i've installed Ubuntu
[02:34] <Seveas> yuacht, I don't know the details. It's fairly complete but you can easily get problems
[02:34] <AudioMove> im a bit new to sudo, and everytime i open an admin x app it asks for password and its fails. I searched and i am a member of the admin group and that group is in the sudoers file. The only thing i noticed od is that theirs also a group name as my username they wouldnt be conflicting by any chance?
[02:34] <dazjorz> and it works ;-D
[02:34] <kemik> dazjorz: great :)
[02:34] <Seveas> dazjorz, nice
[02:34] <Whistler> i wanna resize my ubuntu partition so i should unmount it first?
[02:34] <dazjorz> i expected a lot more errors
[02:34] <dazjorz> generally because its Linux xP
[02:34] <dazjorz> :P
[02:34] <Seveas> Whistler, yup
[02:34] <dazjorz> and i've installed the server version of Ubuntu on my server before
[02:34] <cloudr> jowi: how do i get alsamixer to change the micro to dev/dsp2 ?
[02:34] <gilligan_> Whistler, u won't be able to unless u unmount it anyway
[02:34] <dazjorz> and hundreds of errors
[02:34] <dazjorz> its a shitty machine
[02:35] <dazjorz> but here, it just worked. Just, without any error, only a few warnings that were automatically fixed later
[02:35] <Seveas> AudioMove, are you typing in *your* password and not the root password?
[02:35] <Whistler> when i wanna to unmount it i get an device busy erro
[02:35] <dazjorz> for example: the font config wasn't found and it installed the program 'fontconfig'
[02:35] <Seveas> Whistler, you can't unmount your root partition :)
[02:35] <gilligan_> Whistler, well if its your root partition thats no suprise
[02:35] <dazjorz> I never saw Windows do that
[02:35] <dazjorz> !! ^^
[02:35] <ubotu> I don't know, dazjorz
[02:35] <jowi> cloudr, just go to the <Mic Select> and press arrow-up or arrow-down
[02:35] <Whistler> so how do i resize it?
[02:35] <tristia> ubuntu have how many disc..?
[02:35] <Seveas> cyborg, ?
[02:35] <Seveas> tristia, One
[02:35] <yuacht> Seveas, u dun mind me asking in ubuntu-devel right?
[02:35] <sdefresne> tristia : one
[02:36] <Seveas> yuacht, of course not :)
[02:36] <yuacht> =)
[02:36] <AudioMove> yea i know that Seveas
[02:36] <tristia> thank..
[02:36] <dazjorz> tristia: One and you can order it for free !!
[02:36] <cloudr> jowi: it is strange. alsamixer shows just one control throtle PCM
[02:36] <Seveas> tristia, they actually ship 2: a live cd and an install cd
[02:36] <gilligan_> Whistler, you could boot from some live CD/recovery CD
[02:36] <Seveas> AudioMove, try in a terminal: sudo echo foo
[02:36] <cloudr> jowi: in another PC I have shows loads of controls
[02:36] <dazjorz> Seveas: You were saying something about a plugin for X-Chat
[02:36] <Whistler> um does ubuntu live cd have gparted?
[02:36] <sdefresne> depends on the arch, i didn't get a live CD for PPC
[02:36] <Seveas> AudioMove, does that give an error?
[02:36] <jowi> cloudr, i have either Mic1 or Mic2 to choose from since my laptop's got a builtin mic as well
[02:36] <jowi> cloudr, ouch!
[02:36] <Seveas> dazjorz, when..?
[02:36] <Stormx> Hey Seveas, I've downloaded the xdialog package (.deb) is it possible to run synaptic to install it?
[02:36] <Whistler> or some tool for partitioning?
[02:37] <Seveas> sdefresne, that was warty :)
[02:37] <tristia> how can i know they is ship live cd or install cd..?
[02:37] <Whistler> dazjorz gaim
[02:37] <DVSoftware> Stormx, dpkg -i
[02:37] <Seveas> sdefresne, since hoary there are live cd's for all archs
[02:37] <dazjorz> Seveas: Dunno, maybe it wasn't you. But I heard something about a script or something
[02:37] <dazjorz> Whistler: OK, Thanks
[02:37] <Seveas> tristia, you get both
[02:37] <Whistler> tristia you get 2 i one package
[02:37] <tristia> oh..
[02:37] <Whistler> n
[02:37] <jowi> cloudr, then you have bigger problems. i have no idea how to fix that
[02:38] <cyborg> Seveas, i didn't use uid right. winmac_fstab showed me the right way. Btw, winmac_fstab failed because /etc/fstab already contained line with hda1.
[02:38] <Seveas> Stormx, please install that via apt and do NOT install manually doenloaded .debs!
[02:38] <sdefresne> ok, didn't order the last version (apt-get upgrade)
[02:38] <cloudr> jowi: ok, thanks for trying
[02:38] <jowi> cloudr, does the "Card: " at the top of alsamixer say the correct device btw?
[02:38] <Whistler> does livecd have some tool for partitioning?
[02:38] <Seveas> cyborg, that 'failure' is by design :)
[02:38] <DVSoftware> cfdisk i guess
[02:38] <Stormx> Seveas, DVSoftware way seemed to work just like synaptic does it!
[02:38] <Seveas> it would be wring to have 2 fstab lines for the same drive
[02:38] <Hiruko> Hi
[02:40] <Stormx> Hey
[02:40] <Hiruko> I just installed Ubuntu on my laptop and I can get to gdm. When I try to logon it crashes
[02:40] <cloudr> jowi: no it shows my USB speaker (which works fine)
[02:40] <Seveas> Hiruko, 'crashes'?
[02:40] <Hiruko> >_<
[02:40] <peter2> how to mount a kingston USB memorystick ?
[02:40] <Seveas> be a bit more descriptive please...
[02:40] <Hiruko> The system stops responding
[02:40] <luminerd> anyone know how to tell what windows driver I need for my ethernet? downloading so I don't end up with a driverless system...
[02:40] <Seveas> peter2, plug it in :)
[02:40] <Hiruko> I cannot move the mouse do anything with the keyboard etc
[02:40] <peter2> did it
[02:40] <Seveas> Hiruko, hmm...
[02:40] <dazjorz> By the way, I have problems with USB devices
[02:40] <peter2> nothing shows
[02:40] <Bateau> where can i download and read about how to install a c compiler?
[02:40] <peter2> when rebooting
[02:40] <cloudr> jowi: I did alsamixer -c2 and that showst he right thing
[02:40] <Stormx> Seveas: How do I use apt to download and install specific packages?
[02:40] <jowi> cloudr, alsamixer -c 2
[02:40] <gilligan_> Whistler, for partitioning most prolly - for *altering* partitions, i.e parted not sure - check knoppix or so.. also go and check the manuals of parted i'm sure there are hints on how to use it to alter your root partition
[02:40] <peter2> icon shows but it is not mounted
[02:40] <dazjorz> I started the installation and i couldn't use my keyboard, so I plugged in some converter
[02:40] <jowi> cloudr, ah, you found it
[02:40] <DVSoftware> Bateau, apt-get install build-essential
[02:40] <Seveas> Bateau, sudo aptitude install build-essential
[02:40] <{cYanide}> so er anymore ideas on why my usb modem is active but wont connect?
[02:40] <cloudr> jowi: yep, but only Auto Gain as an option here
[02:40] <dazjorz> Now, I want to use my keyboard just as USB, should I just connect it or should I install something first?
[02:40] <Seveas> Stormx, open synaptic, search for what you want and mark it for installation
[02:40] <Stormx> Seveas: Its not in the list.
[02:40] <Seveas> Stormx, if you can't find something: enable universe
[02:41] <Seveas> xdialog is definitely there
[02:41] <Stormx> OK, How do I do that.
[02:41] <Hiruko> Any clue why it woudl do that?
[02:41] <Stormx> It wasn't for me.
[02:41] <Seveas> Stormx, dod you ever manually add a repository?
[02:41] <cloudr> jowi: what about OSS? I would settle for OSS input support
[02:41] <Stormx> Seveas, yeah I did.
[02:41] <Hiruko> I am quite sure it's the window manager because the same thing happened in Debian once when i ran unstable
[02:41] <Hiruko> I just don't know how to fix it
[02:41] <Stormx> To get wine.
[02:41] <Seveas> Hiruko, not at all i'm afraid. If no one else answers ask in the forums or on the mailinglist
[02:41] <jowi> cloudr, i have no experience with oss i'm afraid. your guess is as good as mine
[02:41] <peter2> seveas.... no luck
[02:41] <cloudr> jowi: The only way my micro works is if something lets me specify /dev/dsp2 as the micro source
[02:41] <Seveas> Stormx, please paste your sources.list on the pastebin
[02:41] <Hiruko> ACtually
[02:42] <Hiruko> Does ubuntu use X.org?
[02:42] <Whistler> so is it possible to move home folder to new partition then?
[02:42] <Seveas> Hiruko, yes
[02:42] <Stormx> Pastebin.........
[02:42] <Hiruko> That's the problem then
[02:42] <Seveas> !pastebin
[02:42] <ubotu> from memory, pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[02:42] <Stormx> Sorry for being so neive.
[02:42] <Seveas> it's ok :)
[02:42] <dazjorz> I need help with gaim ..?
[02:42] <Seveas> better to be naive and polite than expert and rude :)
[02:42] <Stormx> =) Im still quite a beginner at all this.
[02:42] <DVSoftware> Hiruko, if gdm works, that's no problem
[02:42] <Hiruko> :p
[02:42] <Hiruko> I'm rather sure it is
[02:42] <dazjorz> Nvm.
[02:43] <Hiruko> Because I tried to switch to x.org with debian stable
[02:43] <Hiruko> When I put xfree86 back on it worked fine
[02:43] <Hiruko> unstable*
[02:43] <Stormx> Seveas, what am I pasting?
[02:43] <Seveas> peter2, does dmesg show anything when it's plugged in?
[02:43] <Stormx> wait
[02:43] <Stormx> sorry
[02:43] <Seveas> Stormx, the file /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:43] <Bateau> hmm DVSoftware... i need GLIB 1.2.2 to :x
[02:43] <Seveas> Bateau, what are you trying to compile?
[02:43] <Bateau> XMMS
[02:43] <Bateau> :)
[02:43] <Seveas> Bateau, don't
[02:43] <Whistler> how do i take screenshot only of program
[02:43] <Bateau> why not?
[02:43] <Whistler> ?
[02:43] <Seveas> it's in the repositories
[02:43] <Chaotic_Shield> just apt-get it
[02:44] <Chaotic_Shield> yeah
[02:44] <Chaotic_Shield> apt-get install xmms
[02:44] <peter2> sorry what is dmesg ?
[02:44] <Seveas> whisKy, [alt] [prt scr]
[02:44] <Bateau> oh
[02:44] <subterrific> Hiruko: what kind of laptop?
[02:44] <DVSoftware> Bateau, just apt it
[02:44] <Seveas> peter2, just type the command :)
[02:44] <Bateau> i didnt know that...
[02:44] <joakim> Another quick question, how do I get and install mp3 codecs for Music player and Totem?
[02:44] <Chaotic_Shield> !mp3
[02:44] <ubotu> it has been said that mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[02:44] <Whistler> how do i take screenshot only of program not whole thing?
[02:44] <tegan> alt-prtscr
[02:44] <Chaotic_Shield> joakim, check out the link ubotu just gave
[02:44] <Seveas> Whistler, , [alt] [prt scr]
[02:44] <DVSoftware> !mp3
[02:44] <joakim> I will, thanks
[02:44] <dazjorz> whooohooo GAIM Works
[02:44] <Chaotic_Shield> Whistler, hold [Alt] then hit [Print Screen]
[02:45] <Bateau> and i need to install, so that i can play divx and xvid to. how do i do that?
[02:45] <DVSoftware> ahh... damn lag
[02:45] <peter2> shows a lot of lines...
[02:45] <DVSoftware> Bateau, www.mplayerhq.hu
[02:45] <DVSoftware> and download codecs
[02:45] <dazjorz> Message could not be sent because an error with the switchboard occurred:
[02:45] <jowi> cloudr, i'm looking in to it.
[02:45] <Bateau> oki
[02:45] <dazjorz> GAIM: Message could not be sent because an error with the switchboard occurred:
[02:45] <topyli> i wish gaim worked better with irc. i keep reverting to real irc clients
[02:45] <Seveas> peter2, paste the last 30 lines of it on the pastebin
[02:46] <kemik> topyli: cant beat xchat ;)
[02:46] <dazjorz> Message could not be sent because an error with the switchboard occurred:
[02:46] <peter2> Inbound IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:12:f0:0d:94:46:08:00 SRC=195.214.1 35.172 DST=195.214.135.191 LEN=235 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=128 ID=21083 PROTO=UDP SPT=138 DPT=138 LEN=215
[02:46] <peter2> Inbound IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:12:f0:0d:94:46:08:00 SRC=195.214.1 35.172 DST=195.214.135.191 LEN=235 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=128 ID=21084 PROTO=UDP SPT=138 DPT=138 LEN=215
[02:46] <peter2> Inbound IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:02:3f:15:12:57:00:c0:7b:b1:af:94:08:00 SRC=82.96.96. 3 DST=195.214.135.141 LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=53 ID=29154 DF PROTO=TCP SPT =46855 DPT=3128 WINDOW=5840 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0
[02:46] <peter2> Inbound IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:02:3f:15:12:57:00:c0:7b:b1:af:94:08:00 SRC=82.96.96. 3 DST=195.214.135.141 LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=53 ID=27206 DF PROTO=TCP SPT =46854 DPT=80 WINDOW=5840 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0
[02:46] <peter2> Inbound IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:02:3f:15:12:57:00:c0:7b:b1:af:94:08:00 SRC=82.96.96. 3 DST=195.214.135.141 LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=53 ID=56343 DF PROTO=TCP SPT =46856 DPT=3777 WINDOW=5840 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0
[02:46] <dazjorz> wooooooooo
[02:46] <peter2> Inbound IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:02:3f:15:12:57:00:c0:7b:b1:af:94:08:00 SRC=82.96.96. 3 DST=195.214.135.141 LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=53 ID=41768 DF PROTO=TCP SPT =46857 DPT=3802 WINDOW=5840 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0
[02:46] <dazjorz> stop it
[02:46] <Chaotic_Shield> kemik, mIRC + wine beats XChat
[02:46] <cloudr> jowi: thanks a lot
[02:46] <dazjorz> darn
[02:46] <peter2> Inbound IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:02:3f:15:12:57:00:c0:7b:b1:af:94:08:00 SRC=82.96.96. 3 DST=195.214.135.141 LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=53 ID=10422 DF PROTO=TCP SPT =46858 DPT=6588 WINDOW=5840 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0
[02:46] <crashd> lols
[02:46] <peter2> Inbound IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:02:3f:15:12:57:00:c0:7b:b1:af:94:08:00 SRC=82.96.96. 3 DST=195.214.135.141 LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=53 ID=27207 DF PROTO=TCP SPT =46854 DPT=80 WINDOW=5840 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0
[02:46] <dazjorz> Peter2
[02:46] <dazjorz> stop it
[02:46] <DVSoftware> peter2, use pastebin damn
[02:46] <Chaotic_Shield> Seveas!
[02:46] <dazjorz> dont fucking do that
[02:46] <dazjorz> its very irritating
[02:46] <Seveas> peter2, MORON
[02:46] <kemik> Chaotic_Shield: i've found xchat pretty nice. but sure, mirc is a bit better yes
[02:47] <dazjorz> Agreed
[02:47] <Chaotic_Shield> heh
[02:47] <kemik> sweet, pasting his tcpdump :)
[02:47] <Chaotic_Shield> rofl
[02:47] <Chaotic_Shield> yeah
[02:47] <Stormx> Seveas: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/329919
[02:47] <Seveas> peter2, things like this are very good if you don't want to get help
[02:47] <kemik> !tell peter2 about pastebin
[02:47] <Seveas> so guess what, you don't get help
[02:47] <joakim> You guys can't be serious that mIRC is better than xchat? :)
[02:47] <Chaotic_Shield> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[02:47] <Chaotic_Shield> mIRC > XChat.
[02:47] <kemik> joakim: sure can ;)
[02:48] <tsw> anyone know of a excel like application for shell?
[02:48] <joakim> Gah
[02:48] <kemik> mIRC <!> Xchat
[02:48] <joakim> xchat > mIRC
[02:48] <subterrific> irssi > xchat > mIRC
[02:48] <djp> i prefer xchat over mirc
[02:48] <tsw> irssi beats xchat+mirc
[02:48] <kemik> subterrific: oh comeon.. irssi :/
[02:48] <Chaotic_Shield> mIRC and irssi
[02:48] <housetier> my desktop > your desktop
[02:48] <dazjorz> yahoo, it works
[02:48] <kemik> housetier: my dick >> your dick
[02:48] <dazjorz> Now...
[02:48] <Bubbling_Zombie> green > red
[02:48] <djp> erc is probably my favourite though
[02:48] <joakim> irssi is too low on interface :P
[02:48] <subterrific> kemik: excuse me screen + irssi
[02:48] <housetier> 2 > 1
[02:48] <kemik> blue > yellow
[02:49] <dazjorz> Joakim?
[02:49] <dazjorz> thats the fourth joakin
[02:49] <joakim> Heh
[02:49] <Seveas> Stormx, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/972
[02:49] <dazjorz> the fourth joakim in 1 week
[02:49] <joakim> It is?
[02:49] <dazjorz> Yes
[02:49] <Bateau> how do i unpack tar.bz2 files?
[02:49] <kemik> subterrific: naaawh :P tried irssi and hanging in ~20 channels?
[02:49] <joakim> I was on earlier though :)
[02:49] <Seveas> Bateau, tar jxvf
[02:49] <dazjorz> You're the same as joachim
[02:49] <Bateau> thnx :)
[02:49] <Seveas> Bateau, tar jxvf foo.tar.bz2
[02:49] <kemik> subterrific: and at least 10pm's
[02:49] <joakim> No I'm not :(
[02:50] <subterrific> kemik: doing it right now
[02:50] <dazjorz> Unless you wonderfully learned english, you're not the joakim I knew earlier xP
[02:50] <dazjorz> because that joakim only spoke Danish lol
[02:50] <kemik> subterrific: i think irssi is horrid when i have that many active channels/pm's
[02:50] <subterrific> kemik: and the best part is that no matter where i am, i ssh into my box and reattach the screen and i'm there
[02:50] <Hiruko> Is there a default root password?
[02:50] <Chaotic_Shield> no.
[02:50] <Hiruko> I don't remember setting it in the setup >_<
[02:50] <Seveas> Hiruko, no
[02:50] <joakim> I'm danish, but I don't speak danish in international channels :)
[02:50] <dazjorz> >.<
[02:50] <Seveas> by default there is no root password
[02:50] <Hiruko> I was just allowed to set up a user
[02:50] <Seveas> !root
[02:51] <ubotu> root is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[02:51] <Hiruko> Oh so that's the default password ^_^
[02:51] <dazjorz> Joakim: Lol :P I don't believe you
[02:51] <kemik> subterrific: well, im using psybnc so i nomatter where i am i just fire up a ircclient and connect to my bnc ;)
[02:51] <Seveas> Hiruko, the root password is disabled
[02:51] <subterrific> kemik: that doesn't keep history
[02:51] <joakim> You don't? Jeg kan da godt begynde at snakke dansk hvis det skal vre
[02:51] <Hiruko> kk
[02:51] <Stormx> Seveas: Type '@deb-src' is not known on line 39 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:51] <Hiruko> Sorry used to debian
[02:51] <dazjorz> I gtg
[02:51] <dazjorz> cya
[02:51] <Stormx> bai
[02:51] <Seveas> Stormx, oops
[02:51] <Stormx> typo?
[02:51] <Seveas> Stormx, change the @ into an #
[02:51] <Stormx> OK np
[02:51] <kemik> subterrific: i guess i could fix trafficlogging, but i dont want to ;) it saves my PMs, thats all i need :)
[02:51] <joakim> See you dazjorz
[02:52] <Stormx> I'll go turn pacakges into packages, while i'm at it ;-)
[02:52] <subterrific> kemik: so xchat works for you, irssi works for me
[02:52] <Chaotic_Shield> why don't you just eat yourself {cYanide}?
[02:52] <kemik> subterrific: yay! =)
[02:53] <is_dead> o
[02:53] <is_dead> didnt think of that
[02:53] <kemik> Chaotic_Shield: i was thinking the same thing :)
[02:53] <{cYanide}> hey er
[02:53] <{cYanide}> are there any log files i can look at to see why my modems not connecting?
[02:53] <Seveas> /var/log/messages
[02:53] <Dr_Melectaus> Can somone help me, every time i try to open a tune in Music Player, it crashes and closes
[02:53] <Seveas> /var/log/kern.log
[02:53] <pschulz01> Greetings.. can anyone here deal with a Wiki/Launchpad account problem?
[02:53] <Seveas> /var/log/daemon
[02:54] <Seveas> etc :)
[02:54] <Stormx> Seveas: Synaptic just gives me lots of errors on startup
[02:54] <Dr_Melectaus> Sometimes it will say "cant pause play back" but more than likely it will crash
[02:54] <Seveas> Stormx, that's ok
[02:54] <Seveas> hit the reload button
[02:54] <Hiruko> Is there a way to add a user to sudo or is my default user already there
[02:54] <Seveas> your default user is in the admin group
[02:55] <Seveas> which is in the sudoers file
[02:55] <Stormx> Seveas: Really? http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/329922
[02:55] <Hiruko> I need to install xfree
[02:55] <Hiruko> It says I need to be root >_<
[02:55] <Chaotic_Shield> yeah
[02:55] <Dr_Melectaus> Please?
[02:55] <crashd> sudo to root then ;)
[02:55] <Seveas> Stormx, perfectly normal
[02:55] <Chaotic_Shield> just type sudo <command>
[02:55] <Seveas> hit the reload button
[02:55] <Hiruko> oh alright
[02:55] <Hiruko> Thanks
[02:55] <Chaotic_Shield> then it'll ask you for your password.
[02:55] <Stormx> Seveas: OK Then x.X
[02:55] <Kyral> Hiruko: XOrg should be installed already...
[02:56] <Hiruko> I need xfree...
[02:56] <Kyral> why?
[02:56] <Hiruko> x.org has an issue with my laptop for some reason
[02:56] <Kyral> ah
[02:56] <Kyral> okay
[02:58] <voth> is there a specific way to call mono when using wine ?
[02:58] <Bateau> bah, Mplayer took ages to compile :/ its still going on...
[02:58] <{cYanide}> http://legion.gibbering.net/pastebin/viewentry.php?id=613
[02:58] <peterretief> hey all, how do I get to play a dvd, ?
[02:58] <Seveas> Bateau, that is also in the repositories...
[02:59] <Bateau> ok?
[02:59] <Seveas> peterretief, totem dvd://
[02:59] <{cYanide}> any ideas whats up for the modem from that paste?
[02:59] <Bateau> how?
[02:59] <Hiruko> Arg
[02:59] <Seveas> bateau: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[02:59] <Seveas> and bam, mplayer-custom is in the repositories
[02:59] <kemik> why doesnt ubuntu use videolan as standard mediaplayer ?!
[03:00] <Bateau> bah, ok. thanks Seveas
[03:00] <yuacht> Seveas, is there a wiki-page or anything else where i can check the current staus of X? i kinda wanna upg. to breezy =)
[03:00] <Kyral> kemik if you want it you can apt-get it :D
[03:00] <Kyral> thats the best part about Linux, choices
[03:00] <yuacht> kemik, because it isn't well intergrated to gnome right...? and besides there's like 1000 media players, everyone thinks their favourite should be default :D
[03:00] <DVSoftware> is composite extension loaded by default?
[03:00] <Hiruko> So ubuntu doesn't like xfree does it
[03:00] <kemik> Kyral: i know, but it should be standard instead of totem which is unusable ;)
[03:01] <Kyral> personally one of the first things I do is to uninstall Evolution and install Thunderbird
[03:01] <Kyral> Totem is usable
[03:01] <yuacht> i myself think xine would be a nice default, works great
[03:01] <Kyral> with the w32codecs and Totem-Xine
[03:01] <DVSoftware> mplayer rulez
[03:01] <kemik> yuacht: i just find videolan the simplest for beginners, since it supports all formats out of the box
[03:01] <Kyral> personally I lovee VLC
[03:01] <kemik> totem is usable after aptg
[03:01] <DVSoftware> i didn't tried videolan
[03:01] <kemik> aptgetting alot of libs, not good when ubuntus goal is "usability"
[03:02] <Kyral> kemik, aptget w32codecs and totem-xine
[03:02] <kemik> DVSoftware: videolan supports DVD-menus, mplayer doesnt afaik
[03:02] <Kyral> that ain't a lot of libs :D
[03:02] <kemik> Kyral: two too many
[03:02] <yuacht> hmm... why isn't ubuntu shipped with all codecs by default, or is that coming to breezy?
[03:03] <DVSoftware> kemik, i've used xine for dvd's
[03:03] <Kyral> to me half the fun of Linux is tweeking
[03:03] <Tomcat_> yuacht: It's a grey legal area
[03:03] <Kyral> yuacht, in a nutshell, the w32codecs package is illegal :P
[03:03] <karlwrk> kyral: you have wayyy to much time on your hands then
[03:03] <Tomcat_> yuacht: Most of the codecs have a license agreement that won't let you re-distribute them... some have patent problems, etc.
[03:03] <karlwrk> the fun of linux is getting your work done in less time, so you can go outside and do real things
[03:03] <yuacht> argh
[03:04] <Kyral> karlwrk, nope, I can go from a base Ubuntu install to my customized GNOME in two hours TOPS
[03:04] <karlwrk> well, if half the fun is tweaking, then what do yo udo after that?
[03:04] <kemik> and im not arguing that i cant do it, just saying that ubuntu is all about user-friendliness etc, and fails miserably in this department ;)
[03:04] <Kyral> use it :D
[03:04] <yuacht> i think we all need a package like the gstreamer-plugins package, that installs ALL video-codecs
[03:04] <Dr_Melectaus> Can somone help me, every time i try to open a tune in Music Player, it crashes and closes. or if it doesnt it will say "Cant pause playback" in an error box.
[03:04] <Tomcat_> karlwrk: You can never be done tweaking :D
[03:04] <karlwrk> but with only half the fun ;)
[03:04] <Stormx> Bah
[03:04] <Kyral> kemik: Its better than Gentoo :D
[03:04] <kemik> Kyral: but not as good as windows :P
[03:04] <Stormx> I'm not gonna bother with WINE... I have no idea how to set it up
[03:04] <Tomcat_> karlwrk: Freshmeat has about 100 new versions of apps and new apps per day. Enough to tweak :D
[03:04] <Kyral> !lart kemik
[03:05] <Stormx> =O
[03:05] <karlwrk> Tomcat_: sure, but do you need them? are they actually useful?
[03:05] <kemik> just becuase ubuntu is "better tahn gentoo" we cant be satisfied
[03:05] <Stormx> You could have used that as a cup mat
[03:05] <Kyral> kemik, it was a pun :P
[03:05] <Stormx> *coaster
[03:05] <Tomcat_> karlwrk: Most aren't... but there's always a gem each week.
[03:05] <kemik> aight
[03:05] <Kyral> I'm saying I get bored with complete out of the box functionality
[03:05] <Kyral> yes its nice
[03:06] <Seveas> lol Kyral :)
[03:06] <Kyral> but I like to dive into the OS every once and a while :D
[03:06] <Seveas> try breezy for some problems :)
[03:06] <Kyral> Not that many problems...
[03:06] <karlwrk> a gem each week? jesus you must have low standards
[03:06] <crashd> what's gonna be spanky new in breezy anyway ?
[03:06] <DVSoftware> videolan seems to be a nice player
[03:06] <DVSoftware> gonna try it
[03:06] <kemik> Kyral: then gentoo is the distro of your choice ;P
[03:06] <Kyral> kemik: Hell no
[03:06] <karlwrk> or at least, the most diverse needs I've ever heard of
[03:06] <Kyral> Like I said I dive into my OS
[03:06] <kemik> DVSoftware: it's the best player ive tried, and i've tried alot of them
[03:06] <Tomcat_> karlwrk: Why that? There's always somebody with a good idea that he puts into an application and puts onto freshmeat... it's not all boring stuff. :)
[03:06] <Kyral> and then I do something stupid and have to reinstall :D
[03:06] <jtan325> anyone know how to unpack rar files in ubuntu?
[03:06] <jtan325> !rar
[03:06] <ubotu> Wish i knew, jtan325
[03:07] <Kyral> unrar
[03:07] <crashd> install unrar
[03:07] <karlwrk> how many of these weekyl gems do you actually use in a months time?
[03:07] <crashd> or use unrar
[03:07] <Tomcat_> jtan325: Install "unrar-nonfree" package.
[03:07] <crashd> if it comes with it
[03:07] <kemik> unrar-nonfree
[03:07] <DVSoftware> jtan325, go to rarlabs.com, download rar for linux
[03:07] <Kyral> sudo apt-get install rar unrar-nonfree
[03:07] <DVSoftware> hm...
[03:07] <DVSoftware> ok
[03:07] <DVSoftware> :D
[03:07] <kemik> ;)
[03:07] <DVSoftware> i did it my way
[03:07] <DVSoftware> :D
[03:07] <Kyral> AptGet owns :D
[03:07] <hume> hi, i've runt into a major problem, I cannot log into x anymore (suddenly). xsession-error-file says "X server already running on display :0"
[03:07] <kemik> apt-cache search <keyword> is quite useful
[03:07] <Tomcat_> karlwrk: I don't... I look at them, find them interesting, and then throw them away... I'm a software guy so I like to test stuff and explore new ideas... it doesn't mean it has to be useful. :)
[03:08] <Seveas> hume, reboot
[03:08] <hume> anyone got advice? I use gdm for loggin in
[03:08] <karlwrk> or more constructively, Tomcat_ what are one or two of the gem's that you've seen recently?
[03:08] <hume> Seveas, i did
[03:08] <kemik> or delete /var/log/Xlog.0
[03:08] <DVSoftware> Kyral, last time i installed unrar from apt, it didn't worked for all rar files
[03:08] <Casagrande> cloudr: testing
[03:08] <DVSoftware> dunno
[03:08] <Kyral> I do enjoy making my own Backports from Breezy though
[03:08] <kemik> if that was the correct path.. :)
[03:08] <Kyral> DVSoftware, unrar-nonfree should work
[03:08] <kemik> hume: make sure it's not running, and then delete the X lockfile
[03:08] <DVSoftware> ahhh
[03:08] <jtan325> Tomcat_, DVSoftware thanks
[03:08] <DVSoftware> np
[03:08] <Mez> Kyral: if they build straight from breezy, and you think it's worth putting into the offical repo, feel free to mailthe mailing list and suggest them
[03:08] <jtan325> Tomcat_, does this mean it's at trial version or something?
[03:09] <kemik> DVSoftware: mmh just "unrar" doesnt work. something weird
[03:09] <Kyral> Mez its called the Backports :D
[03:09] <kemik> jtan325: no, only closed source
[03:09] <DVSoftware> jtan325, no
[03:09] <Tomcat_> karlwrk: http://freshmeat.net/projects/synergy2/ (network map analyzer) & http://freshmeat.net/projects/gravit/ (good-looking gravity simulator)
[03:09] <Mez> Kyral, I know... I'm a backports developer
[03:09] <Kyral> oyah...
[03:09] <Kyral> you are ;D
[03:09] <Mez> Kyral, hence i'm saying if you're backporting thing
[03:09] <Tomcat_> Anyway, I need to go study. :)
[03:09] <Kyral> Sorry I just woke up :D
[03:09] <DVSoftware> hmm
[03:09] <Mez> Kyral, and they work straight from breezy sources,
[03:09] <Mez> Kyral, let me know
[03:10] <hume> kemik, what do i need to kill to be sure all is killed, exept gdm?
[03:10] <jtan325> wow sweet
[03:10] <DVSoftware> videolan does not exist in synaptic
[03:10] <Kyral> XChat 2.4.4 works :D
[03:10] <kemik> hume: id kill most stuff running from /usr/X11/bin or so
[03:10] <Mez> Kyral, we know - it's already backported
[03:10] <DVSoftware> just videolan-doc
[03:10] <{cYanide}> ahhar!
[03:10] <Kyral> I was just about to ask that
[03:10] <DVSoftware> what's wrong?
[03:10] <{cYanide}> i think my chaps / pap file is being overwritten
[03:11] <{cYanide}> so there is no username + pass
[03:11] <kemik> hume: but really, try to delete the x-lockfile first and start X again
[03:11] <Kyral> I built my Bluefish from source...
[03:11] <{cYanide}> er why not a yellow fish
[03:11] <{cYanide}> or red.. cuz red is faster
[03:11] <hume> kemik, which lock-file is it?' Xlog.0 isnt there....
[03:12] <cloudr> silly question about x-chat, anyway to get a sound played when somebody mentions my nick?
[03:12] <DVSoftware> hm... i can't install videolan with apt-get???
[03:12] <Bubbling_Zombie> DVSoftware : vlc ?
[03:12] <DVSoftware> hm
[03:13] <DVSoftware> what silly name
[03:13] <chrissturm> DVSoftware, thats what the app is called. videolan is the project
[03:14] <kemik> hume: i dont remember the exact name/path, i'll have to google
[03:14] <Casagrande> cloudr: testing
[03:14] <tristia> videolan player.>?
[03:14] <kemik> vlc = videolan client, vls= videolan server
[03:14] <tristia> vlc.>?
[03:16] <Dr_Melectaus> For xmms media player/beep media player, can i apt-get some equalizer presets?
[03:17] <crimsun_> not that I know of.
[03:17] <zzyber> im installing ubuntu on my 83 year old grandmother and i wounder, she is rather new to computers but at the age of 82 she did do some microsoft exams for os and office. Now im installing ubuntu for her and i wounder if someone have tips on how to make here as comfortable as possible with this new os.
[03:17] <DVSoftware> Dr_Melectaus, i don't think so
[03:17] <Dr_Melectaus> Ok
[03:18] <kemik> hume: remove /tmp/.X0-lock
[03:18] <DVSoftware> quicker way would be to download winamp, install it with wine and take it's presets
[03:18] <joakim> zzyber, tell her that she can't really fuck it up :)
[03:18] <joakim> worked on my dad :)
[03:18] <zzyber> joakim, already done
[03:18] <Choubaka> zzyber: Put any relevant programs on the desktop
[03:18] <joakim> Yeah
[03:18] <joakim> That too
[03:18] <hume> kemik, thx....)
[03:18] <kemik> hume: http://wiki.x.org/wiki/FAQErrorMessages <-- and scrol down to Server is already active for display 0
[03:18] <kemik> hume: tell me if it works ;)
[03:18] <DVSoftware> zzyber, you are kidding, right?
[03:18] <hume> kemik, just a minute
[03:19] <zzyber> Choubaka, god idea, forgot that. She had all the icons she neded on her windows desktop
[03:19] <Choubaka> zzyber: And make sure the system can function without any maintenance
[03:19] <zzyber> DVSoftware, no not at all, im really proude of here, seh is also using msn :-)
[03:19] <Choubaka> Does she have an internet connection?
[03:19] <Choubaka> ah, yes.
[03:19] <Choubaka> broadband?
[03:19] <Choubaka> :P
[03:20] <zzyber> Choubaka, the problem is that she has a ppp and i hope its possible to get everyting up when she starts firefox and down when firefox is closed
[03:20] <Choubaka> zzyber: Hmm, dunno.
[03:21] <Yokalosh> guys, i just installed ubuntu to my external usb hd and installed grub to mbr
[03:21] <Yokalosh> and now i get 'error 21' when booting
[03:22] <ketilkn> Zzyber, isn`t application icons on the top bar a better idea than on the desktop?
[03:22] <topyli> zzyber: there's a "linux dial-on-demand howto"
[03:22] <majic> I don't see a libapache2-mod-php5 package, I do see a php5-cgi package. Is there a php5 apache2 module package?
[03:22] <spanglesontoast> how do I start sshd?
[03:22] <topyli> zzyber: mini-howto really
[03:22] <Seveas> Yokalosh, then you can't boot from your USB disk...
[03:22] <kemik> spanglesontoast: /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[03:22] <equex> would the ati drivers for radeon work with k7 kernels?
[03:22] <Seveas> spanglesontoast, it's auto-started when you have it installed
[03:22] <Yokalosh> kemik: i cant boot at all
[03:22] <kemik> hume: any luck?
[03:22] <Choubaka> yes.
[03:22] <Seveas> spanglesontoast, sudo aptitude install openssh-server
[03:23] <Seveas> (that installs it)
[03:23] <zzyber> ketilkn, hmm.......it gets so small nut maube i should expand the bar, that way the icons stay on the same place all the time.........i will try
[03:23] <spanglesontoast> ah
[03:23] <equex> was that for me Choubaka ?
[03:23] <spanglesontoast> how can I see if it's running?
[03:23] <Choubaka> equex: yes.
[03:23] <kemik> oh i thought he said "restart" ssh :)
[03:23] <Yokalosh> kemik: how can i reinstall grub from either by debian,yoper,ubuntu or knoppix disk?
[03:23] <zzyber> topyli, yes........its howtos for everything, i will dig into it
[03:23] <Yokalosh> i am in knoppix now
[03:23] <Choubaka> equex: Though hmm
[03:23] <equex> thanks :) i was having doubts wether i had to switch back to i386
[03:23] <kemik> Yokalosh: dont know
[03:23] <Choubaka> equex: If you don't have precompiled drivers for the kernel, then you will have to install them.
[03:23] <equex> because i cant get ati drivers working properly
[03:24] <cloudr> cloudr: hi
[03:24] <ketilkn> zzyber, Desktop icons gets hidden behind windows you know. You can but big icons on the bar as well. It seems I can`t remeber what the "bar" is accually called.
[03:24] <equex> Choubaka: i am just using ATI's general installer :/ no idea whats in there
[03:24] <ketilkn> zzyber, and turn of virtual desktops. :D
[03:24] <ketilkn> off
[03:24] <Chaotic_Shield> hmm
[03:25] <mash_> how can I get systray for xchat ppc?
[03:25] <zzyber> 83 years old on ubuntu........maybe that is a record. Im installing Ubuntu for her becouse i think its easy to use, no viruses, no spyware......What can be better for old people than a working computer
[03:25] <Chaotic_Shield> is there a php5 apache module?
[03:25] <Chaotic_Shield> in the repositories?
[03:25] <Choubaka> zzyber: indeed
[03:25] <Casagrande> cloudr: testing
[03:25] <reka> zzyber: the fountain of youth :P
[03:25] <Choubaka> Ubuntu is the best Linux-based OS out there.
[03:25] <topyli> zzyber: actually, it's called "diald howto"
[03:25] <zzyber> ketilkn, god idea, away with the viruals. God ideas here.....
[03:25] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield, in a 3rd party repository
[03:25] <zzyber> :-)
[03:26] <ketilkn> Choubake: For what? How can one say that.
[03:26] <Chaotic_Shield> Seveas, plz2tell where?
[03:26] <Yokalosh> Choubaka: right now i would be disagreeing
[03:26] <Choubaka> ketilkn: Well, For what it does.
[03:26] <Choubaka> That is, being a good desktop OS
[03:27] <Choubaka> You can put it on a server too, though, but I'd use debian then.
[03:27] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield: PHP 5 modules can be found at deb http://people.debian.org/~dexter/php5 hoary
[03:27] <ketilkn> I went: RedHat -> SuSE -> Debian -> OS X -> Debian -> Ubuntu in the last 8 years. Ubuntu is great. But you cannot say that it is the best linux based OS.
[03:27] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield: PHP 5 modules can be found at deb http://people.debian.org/~dexter php5 hoary
[03:27] <blakamin> zzyber: might have to get my grandmother of xp... she's 84, but I have to get my audio working first ;P
[03:27] <Seveas> (last one is correct)
[03:27] <zzyber> got to go.........thanks for all ideas. /by
[03:28] <ketilkn> People like different things.
[03:28] <Choubaka> ketilkn: Well, yeah
[03:28] <ketilkn> :)
[03:28] <Chaotic_Shield> thanks Seveas
[03:28] <Choubaka> Some people even like Gentoo. :|
[03:28] <Seveas> ketilkn, sure, for people who like crappy unstable stuff Ubuntu sucks ;)
[03:28] <Seveas> But you're completely right; Ubuntu however is the best solution for the majority
[03:29] <Seveas> it's stable, releases often and has security support
[03:29] <hume> kemik, tried now, but it seemed there was no /tmp/.X0-lock file....rebooting annyway
[03:29] <Choubaka> ketilkn: I did Windows XP -> Debian -> Ubuntu -> OS X on Desktop
[03:29] <ketilkn> Sevas: People who like to watch gcc compile stuff is better of with Gentoo for instance.
[03:29] <Seveas> ketilkn, indeed
[03:30] <ketilkn> Choubaka, So you left us for os x?
[03:30] <dv__> re
[03:30] <Choubaka> And Debian -> FreeBSD -> Debian -> Ubuntu (It's a family computer) on my router
[03:30] <Choubaka> ketilkn: well, I bought a powerbook.
[03:30] <mash_> how can I get systray for xchat ppc?
[03:31] <spanglesontoast> * Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server... [fail]
[03:31] <spanglesontoast> ?
[03:31] <ketilkn> Choubaka, I prefer Ubuntu over OS X for working. I gave my Powerbook to my Girlfriend and bought a Fujistu Siemens, P7010
[03:31] <kemik> hume: tried the "startx --2" ?
[03:31] <spanglesontoast> ah
[03:31] <spanglesontoast> it was running
[03:31] <spanglesontoast> lol
[03:31] <spanglesontoast> soz
[03:31] <Choubaka> And OS X is magnificent. Even though Ubuntu is good, I doubt it's able to use this powerbook to its full capacity.
[03:31] <ketilkn> Choubaka, OS X Terminal is painfull.
[03:31] <Choubaka> ketilkn: yes.
[03:31] <Choubaka> ketilkn: I use iTerm :P
[03:32] <ketilkn> I miss iTunes though. I keep a Mac Mini with OS X at home.
[03:32] <Chaotic_Shield> Seveas, I have a problem with that repository.
[03:32] <Chaotic_Shield> http://paste.ubuntulinux.org/974
[03:32] <ketilkn> I am wondering if amaroK can replace iTunes.
[03:33] <hume> kemik, seems i can log in as anthoer user.....
[03:33] <deathllama> hey, is anyone awake there?
[03:33] <Choubaka> My future computer acquisitions will probably include one POC to run w2k and one App, and a cheap PC desktop to run Ubuntu on.
[03:33] <Choubaka> If I can avoid it, I'll never run windows on the desktop again :P
[03:34] <deathllama> i'm downloading ubuntu right now, i have a question about it, regarding wireless networking.
[03:34] <ketilkn> Choubaka, If you hold out for half a year or so there will be Minis running Ubuntu, OS X, and this Windows you speak of.
[03:34] <kemik> hume: weird.. you did a "killall X" ?
[03:34] <kemik> hume: well gotta run.. look at that X.org FAQ ..
[03:34] <Choubaka> ketilkn: Well, I won't be buying a computer that soon.
[03:34] <hume> kemik, thx...:) i'll have a look
[03:34] <kemik> np
[03:34] <djp> Choubaka: no stinking windows here my friend... apart from the ones you look out of! ;)
[03:34] <{cYanide}> hey ok i got my usb modem working:O (on ubuntu now)
[03:35] <Choubaka> djp: :)
[03:35] <{cYanide}> it was the chap-secrets file, had to enter my user/pass
[03:35] <Choubaka> I wouldn't run windows either if it wasn't for this one app that's such a pain to get to work in wine.
[03:35] <{cYanide}> but one question
[03:35] <Chaotic_Shield> Seveas?
[03:35] <{cYanide}> is there a way i can toggle an icon in my taskbar so i can see im connected?
[03:35] <ketilkn> Choubaka, Which one is that?
[03:35] <reka> deathllama: ask your question. if someone knows, they'll answer.
[03:35] <djp> oh sorry Choubaka, what app was that?
[03:35] <Choubaka> ketilkn: winny.
[03:35] <Choubaka> :
[03:36] <Choubaka> :P*
[03:36] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield, hit reload when synaptic says that
[03:36] <Seveas> or do apt-get update
[03:36] <reka> {cYanide}: right-click on panel > add to panel > network monitor
[03:36] <Choubaka> Besides, having windows just in case might be good if I ever need to run some Win-only apps.
[03:37] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield, and also, I think you forgot a part
[03:37] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield: PHP 5 modules can be found at deb http://people.debian.org/~dexter php5 hoary
[03:37] <ketilkn> Choubaka, Freenet p2p thing?
[03:37] <Chaotic_Shield> that's the line I put in my sources.list
[03:37] <Choubaka> ketilkn: it's a Japanese p2p program.
[03:37] <Chaotic_Shield> got it
[03:37] <Chaotic_Shield> works now, thanks Seveas
[03:37] <Choubaka> Doesn't really work on wine because it need japanese. :P
[03:38] <djp> choubaka: p2p file sharing app from Japan right
[03:38] <ketilkn> Yes. Searcing for winny gave my lots of strange characters..
[03:38] <MrMaDSeN> I neeed help... Please
[03:38] <Choubaka> There are some instruction for getting winny to work on linux.
[03:38] <{cYanide}> and one more question, i get an error msg cannot find IGL when i try and use one of my programming apps
[03:38] <Seveas> MrMaDSeN, look at the topic: just dik
[03:38] <{cYanide}> but ive installed all dev packs
[03:38] <Seveas> dik?!?
[03:38] <Choubaka> They're just in Japanese, and I'm not that good at reading it yet.
[03:39] <Seveas> MrMaDSeN, look at the topic: just ask
[03:39] <Seveas> man I need coffee...
[03:39] <MrMaDSeN> No sound on my onboard intel 915G motherboard.... cant seem to find any solutions on intels hp.. what do I do ?
[03:40] <yuacht> hmm how do i make incoming mails from a certain adress always end up in a certain folder using thunderbird?
[03:40] <blakamin> MrMadsen: add me to your "no sound" collection
[03:40] <blakamin> yuacht: filter
[03:41] <MrMaDSeN> message filters yuacht
[03:41] <topyli> MrMaDSeN: buy a $5 sound blaster or something?
[03:41] <{cYanide}> er wait
[03:41] <{cYanide}> i have an intel inbuilt thing
[03:41] <ketilkn> yuacht, Tools -> message filters
[03:41] <{cYanide}> and i get sound
[03:41] <yuacht> thanks all
[03:41] <MrMaDSeN> topyli: would be solution yes
[03:42] <Seveas> MrMaDSeN, does /dev/dsp exist?
[03:42] <hume> is there a default way to set parameters for synaptics touchpad in ubuntu? i'd need to be able to disable clicks...
[03:43] <Seveas> hume, you can set it in xorg.conf
[03:43] <calc> how do you make rpc listen to an external port so that nfs will work on ubuntu?
[03:43] <MrMaDSeN> Seveas: no it dont
[03:44] <Seveas> MrMaDSeN, type: lsmod | grep snd
[03:44] <Seveas> and paste the putput in a private chat or on the pastebin
[03:44] <hume> Seveas, then i'd need to restart X to make changes take effect, right?
[03:44] <Seveas> hume, correct
[03:47] <MrMaDSeN> Module Size Used by
[03:47] <MrMaDSeN> nls_utf8 2176 1
[03:47] <MrMaDSeN> nls_cp437 5888 1
[03:47] <MrMaDSeN> vfat 12928 1
[03:47] <MrMaDSeN> fat 37792 1 vfat
[03:47] <{cYanide}> erm what would be the app-get thing (cant remember the line :/) to install a pack
[03:47] <MrMaDSeN> proc_intf 4100 0
[03:47] <MrMaDSeN> freq_table 4100 0
[03:47] <Seveas> MrMaDSeN, NOT in the channel....
[03:48] <Seveas> {cYanide}, pack of what?
[03:48] <topyli> {cYanide}: apt-get install <package>
[03:48] <hume> {cYanide}, apt-get install <package name>?
[03:49] <{cYanide}> erm sdl
[03:49] <{cYanide}> 1.2 dev
[03:49] <Seveas> sudo aptitude install libsdl1.2-dev
[03:50] <{cYanide}> erm couldnt find pack
[03:50] <Stormx> Seveas, do you just answer questions all day? x.X
[03:50] <Seveas> !info libsdl1.2-dev
[03:50] <ubotu> libsdl1.2-dev: (Simple DirectMedia Layer development files), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 1.2.7+1.2.8cvs20041007-3ubuntu4 (hoary), Packaged size: 872 kB, Installed size: 3440 kB
[03:50] <Seveas> !policy libsdl1.2-dev
[03:51] <ubotu> Seveas: I don't know, could you explain it?
[03:51] <Seveas> !lart himself
[03:55] <blakamin> seveas: got a second?
[03:56] <Seveas> blakamin, if you have a question, just ask :)
[03:56] <blakamin> i have an audio problem and dont want to end up like mrmadsen;P
[03:56] <blakamin> can i post you a link?
[03:57] <Seveas> post it in here, there are others too that can help :)
[03:57] <blakamin> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54593
[03:57] <{cYanide}> how can i install libsdl1.2-dev?
[03:57] <{cYanide}> its not like
[03:57] <{cYanide}> "here"
[03:57] <spanglesontoast> hey
[03:58] <spanglesontoast> does rdesktop need any special settings
[03:58] <Seveas> blakamin, do you have a /dev/dsp? does lsmod | grep snd show anything? Which soundchip do you have according to lspci?
[03:59] <jowi> spanglesontoast, are you talking about tsclient or vino-server?
[03:59] <spanglesontoast> vino-server
[03:59] <rapha> Hi all!
[03:59] <Seveas> {cYanide}, is your Ubuntu machine connected to the internet?
[03:59] <jowi> spanglesontoast, well, you can allow client to connect but not control your desktop. you can set password as well
[04:00] <spanglesontoast> i thought you could allow them to control the desktop?
[04:00] <jowi> spanglesontoast, yes you can
[04:00] <spanglesontoast> oh
[04:00] <Positron> when i try 'modprobe ndiswrapper', i get a 'FATAL : Module ndiswrapper not found' ; what must i do ?
[04:00] <jowi> spanglesontoast, but you can also allow them to see but not touch
[04:00] <Chaotic_Shield> Positron, install ndiswrapper?
[04:00] <jowi> spanglesontoast, run vino-preferences
[04:01] <rapha> Can somebody help me? When "cp breezy-install-i386.iso breezy.iso; md5sum breezy-install-i386.iso breezy.iso" returns two different MD5 sums, what is going wrong?
[04:01] <spanglesontoast> yea I configured it so they can access and touch, but basically I cannot connect using any windows clients
[04:01] <spanglesontoast> such as realvnc
[04:01] <spanglesontoast> and tightvnc
[04:01] <Seveas> Positron, sudo aptitude install linux-686 (intel cpu) or linux-k7 (amd 32bit cpu)
[04:01] <blakamin> Seveas: no /dev/dsp... its a cs4281 and gets detected but tries for oss even tho alsa says it has it
[04:01] <jowi> spanglesontoast, you need to set realvnc to connect as VNC and not RDP
[04:01] <spanglesontoast> oh
[04:01] <Positron> Seveas : got ubuntu x86_64
[04:01] <spanglesontoast> does it use rdp by default?
[04:01] <Seveas> Positron, no ndiswrapper for you then
[04:01] <jowi> spanglesontoast, it supports both as far as i can remember
[04:01] <Positron> Chaotic_Sheild > yeah
[04:02] <Seveas> ndiswrapper+windows drivers work only on 32bit Ubuntu
[04:02] <Positron> Seveas : yet, i can load the drivers, 'driver present, hardware present' , weird...
[04:02] <Seveas> blakamin, sudo modprobe snd-cs4281
[04:03] <Seveas> Positron, hmm, that is weird
[04:03] <blakamin> brb
[04:03] <spanglesontoast> so
[04:03] <spanglesontoast> what option should I use on vnc viewer?
[04:03] <spanglesontoast> it doesn't say anything about rdp or vnc
[04:03] <Seveas> Positron, have you installed the restricted-modules package?
[04:03] <Positron> Seavas > yeah, i read of someone who made some changes on the ndiswrapper package, seems to work, 'till modprobe
[04:03] <jowi> spanglesontoast, it should.
[04:04] <Seveas> Positron, maybe compiling ndiswrapper yourself works...
[04:04] <spanglesontoast> what's protocol version 3.3?
[04:05] <Positron> Seveas > yeah, but i dont understand at which level the stuff fails, when i get this module not found
[04:05] <jowi> spanglesontoast, and in "server" you should put "ip.address:0" i think. it was a while ago i used it (a couple of years)
[04:05] <Seveas> Positron, there is simply no ndiswrapper.ko on your system
[04:05] <Positron> wonder if it's not a prob with the driver, or something like that
[04:06] <Positron> Seveas > so, how is it possible that it detects my hardware ...
[04:06] <spanglesontoast> nope the zero didn't work
[04:06] <spanglesontoast> is there a config file or something?
[04:07] <Seveas> Positron, that's not part of the kernel module :)
[04:07] <jowi> spanglesontoast, you should check realvnc.com
[04:07] <spanglesontoast> yea that's what I got jowi
[04:07] <din> anyone know what qmgr is??
[04:08] <blakamin> Seveas: no response... anything I try now says "alsa default in use"
[04:08] <jowi> spanglesontoast, try "ip.add.ress:5600"
[04:08] <spanglesontoast> aho k
[04:08] <karlwrk> din: you have more context than we do
[04:08] <karlwrk> quiet mobile graphing radio
[04:08] <Seveas> blakamin, you have a /dev/dsp now?
[04:08] <din> karlwrk, thx
[04:08] <spanglesontoast> says connection timed out
[04:08] <karlwrk> quick monkeys get running
[04:09] <spanglesontoast> does vino run on port 5600
[04:09] <spanglesontoast> ?
[04:09] <jowi> spanglesontoast, it should.
[04:09] <karlwrk> queen mother goes ruling
[04:09] <spanglesontoast> ah
[04:09] <spanglesontoast> can I change it to 5900?
[04:10] <blakamin> Seveas: No... nothing changed... ?????
[04:10] <Dr_Willis> i think that vnc in general starts on port 5900 for display # :0 then goes up by 1 for each new vnc display
[04:10] <jowi> spanglesontoast, ah no you're right. it uses 5900 as standard
[04:10] <spanglesontoast> hmm
[04:10] <jowi> spanglesontoast, silly me
[04:11] <znh> I made a new directory on /, but how to make it that normal users can write data in that directory?
[04:11] <spanglesontoast> erm
[04:11] <reka> ok, ive forgotten, how does one change the tab size in vi/m?
[04:11] <spanglesontoast> so does vino run on 5600 and normal vnc runs on 5900
[04:11] <apokryphos> znh: change the permissions either by selecting properties, or by chmodding
[04:11] <karlwrk> shiftwidth/tabstop
[04:11] <apokryphos> znh: see man chmod
[04:12] <dg-jfk> help: Anyone who knows anything about problems with printing out scaned documents?
[04:12] <{cYanide}> any ideas on fixing a missing IGL error?
[04:12] <znh> apokryphos: hm ofc
[04:12] <reka> karlwrk: cheers
[04:12] <reka> karlwrk: er, are they equivalent?
[04:12] <karlwrk> no :)
[04:13] <karlwrk> :help shiftwidth and :help tabstop and :help expandtab for more info
[04:13] <apokryphos> znh: chmod -R 777 /somedirectory -- for example, for it to be accessible to everyone.
[04:13] <jowi> spanglesontoast, nope. vino and normal vnc runs on 5900. BUT vino-server only starts when a user logs in to gnome so only port 5900 is in use. for a "normal" vnc server like tightvnc the server is started for each screen (5901, 5902 etc)
[04:13] <spanglesontoast> hmmm
[04:13] <apokryphos> znh: 775 for the group only; and they can read/write in it.
[04:13] <spanglesontoast> well I do have my router forwarded to it
[04:13] <znh> apokryphos: I know, but that's not really what I am searching for, I just want to make 'znh' as the default owner instead of root
[04:13] <spanglesontoast> and I heard ubuntu doesn't come with a firewall
[04:13] <spanglesontoast> so i'm guessing something odd is going on
[04:13] <apokryphos> znh: chown znh:znh /somedirectory
[04:13] <reka> karlwrk: right you are. thanks again. :)
[04:14] <znh> spanglesontoast: linux doesn't really need a firewall :-)
[04:14] <karlwrk> shock horror! no firewall! what on earth will I do!
[04:14] <znh> apokryphos: oh yes that was it! - thanks
[04:14] <spanglesontoast> how do I check to see if it's running?
[04:14] <znh> spanglesontoast: there are log files in ~/.vnc
[04:15] <spanglesontoast> wheres that?
[04:15] <znh> -.-
[04:15] <znh> just do cd ~/.vnc
[04:16] <znh> ~ stands for the home directory
[04:16] <znh> (equal to $HOME)
[04:16] <dazjorz> Back
[04:16] <dazjorz> :D
[04:16] <znh> wb :)
[04:16] <spanglesontoast> yep
[04:16] <dazjorz> ty
[04:16] <spanglesontoast> it ain't there
[04:16] <dazjorz> what ?
[04:16] <znh> what isn't there?
[04:16] <dazjorz> hey erm
[04:16] <spanglesontoast> that file/dir
[04:16] <dazjorz> nvm.
[04:17] <dazjorz> lol
[04:17] <dazjorz> ~/.vnc ?
[04:17] <spanglesontoast> yep it ain't there
[04:17] <znh> as what user did you run a vncserver?
[04:17] <spanglesontoast> it's called vino-server
[04:17] <znh> oh nvm then.. don't know thatone
[04:17] <spanglesontoast> it comes with the os
[04:17] <spanglesontoast> called remote desktop
[04:17] <spanglesontoast> or rdesktop
[04:18] <crashd> aye
[04:18] <crashd> teh rdp
[04:18] <znh> teh leetisch breezah talkz0r
[04:18] <spanglesontoast> how do I access it
[04:18] <crashd> hehe
[04:18] <crashd> teh for the win
[04:18] <znh> spanglesontoast: I think vnc is easier..
[04:19] <spanglesontoast> I'm not on my machine
[04:19] <spanglesontoast> I'm at a mates
[04:19] <drcode> what I need to do in .vnc/xstartup so xfce will load?
[04:19] <znh> ah, and now you want to access it
[04:19] <drcode> from vncserver?
[04:19] <znh> drcode: what about exec xfce
[04:19] <spanglesontoast> i could install it
[04:20] <drcode> let me try it
[04:20] <Marianitu> HI
[04:20] <Marianitu> Hi
[04:20] <Chris_Tucker> whats the dpkg command for xorg config again?
[04:20] <drcode> its xstartup or Xstartup?
[04:20] <Chris_Tucker> i need to write it down this time =X
[04:20] <topyli> Chris_Tucker: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:21] <Chris_Tucker> ty
[04:21] <znh> drcode: I bet it is xstartup
[04:21] <drcode> it dosnt work
[04:21] <drcode> I did exec xfce
[04:21] <drcode> but still gnome is loading
[04:22] <dazjorz> Lol
[04:22] <dazjorz> now I installed Linux on my own pc and...
[04:22] <znh> and..
[04:22] <dazjorz> I don't have anything to do. -.-'
[04:22] <znh> :-D
[04:22] <dazjorz> Someone knows something funny to do ?
[04:22] <znh> you have graphical acceleratoin?
[04:22] <dazjorz> Ah yes I do
[04:22] <dazjorz> Brb...
[04:22] <znh> -_-
[04:22] <dazjorz> Someone has a Linux PlayStation 2 emulator ?
[04:23] <spanglesontoast> no
[04:23] <dazjorz> :(
[04:23] <spanglesontoast> it doesn't exist
[04:23] <dazjorz> why not
[04:23] <znh> why don't you play Enemy-Territory
[04:23] <spanglesontoast> it doesn't.
[04:23] <drcode> zhn:no luck
[04:24] <spanglesontoast> either way
[04:24] <dazjorz> i'll search google
[04:24] <dazjorz> and if i can't find anything
[04:24] <dazjorz> i'll....i'lll....
[04:24] <dazjorz> use WINE !!
[04:24] <dazjorz> Hah
[04:24] <znh> oh he's getting evil
[04:24] <topyli> just play some xgalaga :)
[04:24] <jowi> spanglesontoast, do you have the ubuntubox nearby?
[04:25] <Pega> "The glxgears program will output an FPS (Frames Per Second) rating to the command line. If 3D acceleration is correctly enabled for your video card, then the reported FPS should be well over 500 FPS at the default window size. If the output shows less than 500 FPS then you should double check your 3D setup." How do I check my 3D setup?
[04:26] <spanglesontoast> how do I start daemons?
[04:26] <dbernar1> spanglesontoast: for example?
[04:26] <znh> Pega: what graphical card have you got?
[04:26] <spanglesontoast> httpd
[04:26] <DevGet> Does it works to update to breezy now?
[04:26] <dbernar1> spanglesontoast: you have apache installed?
[04:26] <Pega> znh, Radeon 9800 pro
[04:27] <dbernar1> DevGet: /topic
[04:27] <znh> Pega: fglrxinfo will give you information
[04:27] <spanglesontoast> ya
[04:27] <topyli> DevGet: the upgrade will probably work ok. the system, however, is broken :)
[04:27] <reka> Pega: glxinfo | grep rendering
[04:27] <DevGet> mk
[04:28] <Pega> reka, direct rendering: No
[04:28] <Pega> :(
[04:28] <dbernar1> spanglesontoast: did you try going to http://localhost in your browser?
[04:28] <Pega> Can I change it somehow
[04:28] <spanglesontoast> nope cos it's not running
[04:28] <reka> Pega: then you don't have your 3d setup. :)
[04:28] <reka> Pega: have you installed drivers?
[04:28] <Pega> On ubuntu... avtually... propably not. :D
[04:28] <reka> Pega: easy way:
[04:28] <Pega> Thanks for reminding
[04:28] <reka> !ati
[04:28] <ubotu> I heard ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:29] <dbernar1> spanglesontoast: did you try? casuse I think it is...
[04:29] <reka> Pega: if you want to use the official ati.com drivers, search the forums, there's a topic on it
[04:29] <spanglesontoast> how would you know
[04:29] <sml> guys ... i am so close with my WLAN connection .. can anyone help in the last stage :)
[04:29] <sml> [23:55] <jpatrick> last stage?
[04:29] <Pega> ok, thanks reka and znh.
[04:29] <dbernar1> spanglesontoast: hows that work?
[04:30] <reka> Pega: be warned it's a little more fiddly and apparently, the performance gain isn't that big.
[04:30] <MrMaDSeN> ok... anyone know a good soundcard that works with linux ?
[04:30] <spanglesontoast> either way how to get I get a normal daemon working
[04:30] <spanglesontoast> or running
[04:30] <Dr_Willis> MrMaDSeN, the soundblaster AUdigys are good.
[04:30] <spanglesontoast> is there a way like service name start
[04:30] <spanglesontoast> etc
[04:30] <Pega> reka, ok. A bit is better than none anyways. :)
[04:30] <Dr_Willis> MrMaDSeN, depends on your budget. and what you are doing.
[04:31] <dbernar1> /etc/init.d/***d start|restart|stop usually.
[04:31] <reka> Pega: i suggest following the link i posted. if you're not happy with that performance, then try the official ati.com drivers.
[04:31] <dbernar1> I dont think apache works that way. just sudo apache restart should work, I think.
[04:31] <reka> *driver
[04:31] <MrMaDSeN> Dr_Willis: just mp3 and video.. nothing fance
[04:31] <MrMaDSeN> fancy even
[04:31] <dbernar1> sudo /etc/init.d/apache restart
[04:32] <dbernar1> that works on debian.
[04:32] <Dr_Willis> MrMaDSeN, ive rarely had issues with the Audigy cards. they got then for around $40-60 for the loow end ones.. Not sure about the new LOW end 24bit cards - they are a different chipset i think.
[04:32] <hadi57> hello, i need to use arabic language in office any help?
[04:32] <Pega> reka, ok
[04:32] <Stormx> Hey pizazzs
[04:32] <spanglesontoast> ah
[04:32] <Yokaloshi> how do i reinstall grub to mbr after the windows boot loader has taken over?
[04:32] <spanglesontoast> ty
[04:32] <spanglesontoast> sudo /etc/init.d/apache restart
[04:32] <spanglesontoast> oops
[04:32] <spanglesontoast> putty being a pain lol
[04:33] <spanglesontoast> erm it says apache not found
[04:33] <reka> Yokaloshi: there's a wiki page on that
[04:33] <jond3rd> Yokaloshi, use grub-install
[04:33] <dbernar1> hadi57: this is the only thing the wiki gives me when I search it. Maybe you can email thie guy referenced: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArabicTeam?highlight=%28arabic%29
[04:33] <reka> can't remember where though
[04:33] <Pega> reka, ehen I "sudo apt-get install fglrx-driver" it says that the packet fglrx-driver doesn't have installable option or sumthing.
[04:33] <dbernar1> spanglesontoast: try just sudo apache restart
[04:34] <spanglesontoast> i did
[04:34] <dbernar1> spanglesontoast: alternatively, you dont have t installed. sudo aptitude install apache, or apache2 to install it.
[04:34] <dbernar1> do you use apache, or apache2?
[04:34] <hadi57> thanks dbenarl
[04:34] <spanglesontoast> i used a cd install with the server option
[04:34] <dbernar1> hadi57: /msg ubotu nicktab
[04:34] <spanglesontoast> odd
[04:34] <dbernar1> spanglesontoast: ha. that does not install servers...
[04:34] <reka> Pega: what's the full error?
[04:35] <reka> Pega: the critical line at least
[04:35] <Yokaloshi> jond3rd: so all i do is grub-install in the recovery console?
[04:35] <hadi57> i offer my help in translating the complete document as well
[04:35] <Pega> reka, you want me to copy the line? umm... it is in finnish...
[04:35] <spanglesontoast> oh
[04:35] <dbernar1> dbernar1: just a foundation onto which to build one. sudo aptitude install the version of apache you want.
[04:35] <dazjorz> erm
[04:35] <dazjorz> back
[04:35] <spanglesontoast> so it only installing the normal stuff for a server
[04:35] <dazjorz> lets go search Google....
[04:35] <spanglesontoast> like the kernel
[04:35] <sml> my WLAN is so close yet so far :) should i give up & delete kubuntu and install ubuntu?
[04:35] <reka> Pega: er, try anyway
[04:35] <drcode> is it ok if vncserver Xrealvnc :1 -desktop X (I want to run xfce) ?
[04:35] <dazjorz> " linux playstation 2 emulator"...
[04:36] <drcode> work greatg
[04:36] <drcode> I try ps2 emu pcsx2
[04:36] <dazjorz> drcode ?
[04:36] <Pega> "E: Paketilla fglrx-driver ei ole asennettavaa valintaa" Would be sumthing like E: Packet fglrx-driver doesn't have installable option. :S
[04:36] <dazjorz> drcode: pcsx2 is that a linux emulator for the play station 2 ?
[04:36] <Ok_Cancel> Hi, I've bought a Compaq R4000 notebook, and ubuntu don't work fine, Some advice?
[04:36] <Pega> I guess i should change the whole linux to english. would be easier to get help
[04:37] <reka> Yokaloshi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[04:37] <sml> Ok_cancel .. what is the problem?
[04:37] <Pega> Yesterday I did it with some locals command, but it changed back to fiinnish again
[04:37] <Keegan> hi, I am trying to get ndiswrapper to work
[04:37] <Ok_Cancel> it works slowly
[04:37] <Ok_Cancel> too slow
[04:37] <DarKEsT> hi people
[04:37] <dazjorz> hi
[04:37] <dbernar1> spanglesontoast: dont quote me on all this. But, I am fairly sure there are no servers installed. You can always find out if something is installed by the letter that shows up beside a package name when you search for it using": aptitude search package, if there is an i beside the package name, it is installed. a p means you can install it, and a v means it is not a real package.
[04:37] <sml> there is some good ndiswrapper info around
[04:37] <DarKEsT> I have one question
[04:37] <Keegan> when I call "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper", it returns the error:
[04:37] <Ok_Cancel> this's my principal problem
[04:37] <Keegan> "Operation not permitted"
[04:37] <reka> Pega: not necessary. can you 'apt-cache show' it? you might need to enable universe/multiverse
[04:37] <dazjorz> Yes, DarkEsT ?
[04:37] <spanglesontoast> ah
[04:37] <sml> ahh yess Keegan
[04:37] <spanglesontoast> i did try httpd
[04:38] <spanglesontoast> i just thought it was odd
[04:38] <sml> i had that!
[04:38] <spanglesontoast> that's all the dvd version installs servers
[04:38] <Keegan> sml: wat did u do?
[04:38] <DarKEsT> why is not aviable linux-image 2.6.12 on repository?
[04:38] <crimsun> DarKEsT: linux-image-2.6.12* are only in Breezy
[04:38] <dv__> Breezy?
[04:38] <topyli> DarKEsT: because hoary uses 2.6.10 :)
[04:38] <DarKEsT> Breezy?
[04:38] <Pega> reka, that command tols "E: no packets were found" or sumthing like that when translated. I think i have enabled those when i got the mp3 supports etc, but i'll check
[04:39] <reka> Pega: hang on, are you on warty or hoary?
[04:39] <DarKEsT> i know only hoary
[04:39] <dbernar1> spanglesontoast: I think the diff between a server and a normal install is that a server install does not install a graphical user environment, like gnome, or such.
[04:39] <Mejobloggs> how do i connect to the internet on dialup ?
[04:39] <dbernar1> Mejobloggs: very slowly;)
[04:39] <Mejobloggs> hehe
[04:39] <sml> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[04:39] <Tomcat_> harsh :)
[04:40] <Pega> reka, hoary
[04:40] <sml> Keegan ... did u work through the procedures?
[04:40] <reka> Pega: you're doing the wrong instructions. :)
[04:40] <spanglesontoast> ah
[04:40] <DarKEsT> crimsun and, Can I upgrade to Breezy?
[04:40] <Keegan> sml:I already printed that page, that is what I am trying nto do
[04:40] <spanglesontoast> fair enough
[04:40] <Mejobloggs> im looking for a little connect button
[04:40] <topyli> DarKEsT: distributions don't change software versions on stable releases
[04:40] <crimsun> DarKEsT: not recommended yet.
[04:40] <reka> Pega: you're looking at the warty ones.
[04:40] <Pega> reka, lol. :D Well, atleast a thing that is easy to fix. :)
[04:40] <DarKEsT> ok if I understand Breezy aren't stable?
[04:40] <Keegan> I am having difficulties completing step #4
[04:41] <crimsun> DarKEsT: it's getting there
[04:41] <spanglesontoast> which is better apache2 or apache?
[04:41] <Pega> reka, I see, a few lines lower seem to be hoary. :D
[04:41] <reka> Pega: yep :)
[04:41] <Keegan> sml: any suggestions?
[04:41] <reka> Pega: always helps to read headings. :D
[04:42] <klaym> what is the equivalent to Windows notepad on Ubuntu?
[04:42] <Pega> reka, yeah. yesterday I spent 3 full hours trying to figure out why the reposotories weren't being used: i forgot to check the boxes, tho I did everything else. I am no good with instructions.
[04:42] <dbernar1> spanglesontoast: hum...I use apache, just cause I use it. If you are not running a business or anything very important, I think there will be little to none difference on which you choose.
[04:42] <reka> klaym: gedit is the default text editor
[04:42] <Keegan> klaym: Gedit
[04:42] <dazjorz> wtf ???
[04:42] <dazjorz> dazjorz is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
[04:42] <klaym> ok
[04:42] <dazjorz> what do i do ?
[04:42] <DarKEsT> ok, and u when 2.6.12 is aviable for hoary?
[04:42] <dazjorz> :S
[04:42] <DarKEsT> *know
[04:42] <dazjorz> what the fuck is the sudoers file ...
[04:42] <dazjorz> :\
[04:43] <reka> !root
[04:43] <ubotu> rumour has it, root is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:43] <sml> Keegan .. not specifically ... the first time I had the error .. then i installed kubuntu which was fine, then went back to ubuntu and it worked this time!
[04:43] <reka> dazjorz: go there
[04:43] <dbernar1> dazjorz: are you the admin on your computer?
[04:43] <dazjorz> yes
[04:43] <dbernar1> did you install the ubuntu?
[04:43] <dazjorz> ofcourse
[04:43] <hass> what is : The package Tcl/Tk, version 8.3 ?? plz help
[04:43] <Mejobloggs> so, where do i find something so i can press a button to get it to connect to the internet over diaalup?
[04:43] <dbernar1> is this the same user youcreated on install?
[04:43] <spanglesontoast> ah ok
[04:43] <Keegan> sml: well, I have restarted it already a few times, and have not been able to get it to work
[04:43] <dazjorz> dbernarl: Yes
[04:43] <reka> oh. *that* bug.
[04:44] <dbernar1> dazjorz: /msg ubotu nicktab
[04:44] <Keegan> sml: I am dual-booting, that doesn't affect it does it?
[04:44] <dbernar1> dazjorz: that should work then. you should be a sudoer.
[04:44] <reka> sml: are you an SML programmer? :)
[04:44] <Mejobloggs> meeh, no connect button, where is it
[04:44] <dazjorz> test
[04:44] <dbernar1> dazjorz: what is the command you used that you got that error?
[04:45] <dazjorz> sudo mkdir /programs
[04:45] <dazjorz> asked me for password
[04:45] <dazjorz> and i filled in the good password, i think lol
[04:45] <hass> what is The package Tcl/Tk, version 8.3 ?? plz help
[04:45] <dazjorz> i don't seem to be in the sudoers file
[04:45] <Keegan> does anyone else have any clues about ndiswrapper?
[04:45] <dbernar1> dazjorz: your password, off course. It would give you a diff error for a mistake in the password.
[04:45] <dazjorz> Hass: Its a package, .
[04:45] <black13> is it possible to have a directory in read only file system linked to r/w file system
[04:45] <hass> what package?
[04:46] <dazjorz> dbernarl: So, how do I put myself in the ' sudoers' file
[04:46] <hass> is it in ubuntu?
[04:46] <dazjorz> Hass: Dah. The Tcl/Tk package
[04:46] <spanglesontoast> what do I type to get all the latest updates
[04:46] <cianci10> hi. does anyone know if there is a yahoo! messenger for ubuntu?
[04:46] <spanglesontoast> for upgrades
[04:46] <dazjorz> Hass: Yes, think so. Maybe apt-get install tcl/tk or something
[04:46] <dbernar1> dazjorz: /msg ubotu nicktab; sudo cat /etc/sudoers
[04:46] <dazjorz> ciancil0: Gaim
[04:46] <cianci10> oh ok
[04:46] <Keegan> spanglesontoast: u could just use synaptic
[04:47] <spanglesontoast> keegan funny enough not everyone uses a desktop
[04:47] <Keegan> okay, moving on. I am trying to get my mousepad to work
[04:47] <dazjorz> dbernarl: I did su, not sudo, because i can't use sudo :P But it works now, thanks
[04:48] <dazjorz> dbernarl: su ; vi sudoers ; exit
[04:48] <dazjorz> it works now
[04:48] <Keegan> but I am not able to edit the xprg.conf to get it to work
[04:48] <Keegan> *xorg.conf
[04:48] <reka> Keegan: how does one break a mousepad? :P
[04:48] <Keegan> the scrolling on the side doesn't work
[04:48] <dbernar1> spanglesontoast: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade will upgrade everything. ALways check your sources.list for non ubuntu repos, even backports before you do that. keep only the official repos when upgrading.
[04:49] <Keegan> the rest of it works fine
[04:49] <topyli> dazjorz: it's not a very good idea to edit the sudoers file directly. use visudo
[04:49] <dbernar1> dazjorz: good work, weird you could edit sudoers directly, I thought you couldnt do that.
[04:49] <topyli> you can but you shouldn't
[04:49] <spanglesontoast> ah ok
[04:49] <dazjorz> Why not ?
[04:49] <dbernar1> no idea.
[04:49] <dazjorz> Other question.
[04:50] <spanglesontoast> erm what key do i press to install stuff
[04:50] <spanglesontoast> using aptitude
[04:50] <spanglesontoast> cos it says g
[04:50] <dbernar1> I never use aptitude that way.
[04:50] <topyli> dazjorz: visudo checks that the file is correct before saving and closing
[04:50] <spanglesontoast> but it doesn't work
[04:50] <dazjorz> Ah
[04:50] <dbernar1> sudo aptitude install pacjkageName is how I use it.
[04:50] <dazjorz> it said permission denied
[04:50] <dazjorz> but well, I just copied the root line
[04:50] <dazjorz> but changed root into dazjorz
[04:50] <dazjorz> so
[04:50] <dbernar1> ah
[04:50] <dazjorz> dazjorz ALL=(ALL) ALL
[04:50] <dbernar1> hah
[04:50] <dazjorz> and it works, so, .. :)
[04:51] <dbernar1> give your root privileges back, I think./
[04:51] <dazjorz> But Erm other question
[04:51] <dbernar1> add a line like the one you haev..
[04:51] <dbernar1> so you can have one line for the root, and one for you.
[04:51] <dazjorz> In SuSE when I did 'dir' i had menus that showed a lot of things, under which the name, colored by file settings, line by line
[04:51] <ubuntu_> essai
[04:52] <spanglesontoast> ...
[04:52] <dazjorz> but if I do 'dir' in Ubuntu, I get an ugly list of just things after each other, not sorted in any way or beautifulled
[04:52] <dazjorz> how do I get the old dir mode ?
[04:52] <dbernar1> ls?
[04:52] <Pega> reka, Now it returns: "direct rendering: Yes". \o/. Thanks for everything. :)
[04:52] <crashd> dazjorz: you need to do a ln to /usr/bin/dir
[04:52] <dbernar1> ls -l?
[04:52] <crashd> with the options you want
[04:52] <crashd> or create a 'dir' script
[04:52] <ubuntu_> bonjour tous de VERSAILLES ;-) et bon surf
[04:52] <dazjorz> bash: /usr/bin/dir: No such file or directory
[04:52] <crashd> some distros have 'dir' as a link to ease the windows crossover
[04:52] <reka> Pega: no probs. tried out something for performance?
[04:52] <hunger> How do I use the restricted modules in breezy? modprobe claims to load them fine, but the HW does not work nor does lsmod list the module as loaded.
[04:53] <dbernar1> bonjour, ubuntu_. #ubuntu-fr speaks more french.
[04:53] <dazjorz> dir is linked to /bin/ls
[04:53] <dbernar1> good, try ls -l
[04:53] <dazjorz> ./pcsx2: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[04:53] <topyli> dazjorz: ubuntu probably hasn't bothered to beautify dir because it's not even a real unix command :)
[04:53] <dazjorz> brb
[04:53] <Pega> reka, not yet, but the there is some wierd command that brings 3 whjeels to my screen... found it somewhere, gnna check it agains oon
[04:53] <dazjorz> gotta go eating, i'll ask this question again later
[04:53] <dbernar1> I am hungry.
[04:54] <dbernar1> I always tell you guys that, just so you know.
[04:54] <topyli> i am eating :)
[04:54] <crashd> dazjorz: you need to unlink and relink it with the options you require
[04:54] <reka> Pega: glxgears. not really a good way of benchmarking though. better to try out a game or something.
[04:55] <kestas> how do you tell if a wireless pcmcia card works in linux?
[04:56] <topyli> its owner is amazed and insanely happy :)
[04:56] <Chaotic_Shield> does your computer work without an ethernet cable? then it works.
[04:56] <dbernar1> kestas, before you buy it, or once its inside your computer?
[04:56] <Pega> reka, I am just googling stuff about this cedega-thingie for games. Somewhere in it's requirements it mentioned that gear thingie and said that if everything is okay, you should get over 500. i got like 339 or so before these drivers.
[04:56] <kestas> dbernar1, before I buy it
[04:56] <reka> Pega: and after?
[04:56] <Pega> 2894.600 FPS
[04:57] <Pega> ;)
[04:57] <reka> Pega: that's better isn't it? :)
[04:57] <Keegan> once I get the sudo tar.gz, what do I do with it to edit the xorg.conf?
[04:58] <anacron> 326 from what?
[04:58] <Pega> ooh, once got to 8110.200 FPS... A lot better. :) My maths was never pefect, but the way I see it, 8110 > 339, so I'm happy.
[04:58] <Tomcat_> I heard glxgears is not a good measurement.
[04:58] <topyli> anacron: glxgears
[04:58] <dbernar1> kestas: well, there is a list of supported cards on the ndiswrapper page.
[04:58] <anacron> oh, i get something like 4000 fps
[04:58] <reka> Tomcat_: it isn't
[04:58] <topyli> anacron: i guess we don't have the same card :)
[04:59] <anacron> topyli: well i know we don't
[04:59] <rapha> Is it possible to remotely lock the display over an SSH session?
[04:59] <Tomcat_> rapha: Good question :D
[04:59] <spanglesontoast> is there a go place to go to find out tunes to make with using beep?
[04:59] <Tomcat_> rapha: You can start the VNC server, then lock it the way you always would... but I wonder if there's a command.
[04:59] <dbernar1> spanglesontoast: I dont understand that question.
[04:59] <spanglesontoast> theres a program called
[04:59] <spanglesontoast> beep
[05:00] <spanglesontoast> that allows you to make a beep sound outta your pc speaker
[05:00] <wingo> sorry to bother, but does anyone know if xev can be had for breezy?
[05:00] <spanglesontoast> you can change the pitch and speed
[05:00] <dbernar1> aha, so make some sound, ok, no, I dont know that.
[05:00] <spanglesontoast> wondering if theres any sites that you can use a shell script
[05:00] <topyli> that must be one of the most annoying programs there is :)
[05:01] <topyli> along with sl perhaps
[05:01] <rapha> Tomcat_: well, the person using the PC would be able to prevent that, right? :-)
[05:01] <spanglesontoast> i know
[05:01] <Nern> hey hey hey
[05:01] <spanglesontoast> just it would be fun to make a script to make some sounds when I get an mail on the local machine
[05:01] <om_> can anyone point me to a decent guide to make my own deb/apt-gettable packages
[05:01] <dbernar1> yo
[05:02] <Tomcat_> rapha: Yes.
[05:02] <om_> after instaling fluxbox from apt-get and realizing it wasn't up to date nor, complete I had to build from source
[05:02] <dbernar1> http://www-jcsu.jesus.cam.ac.uk/jcn/documentation/html-only/packaging.html and http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-debpkg.html om_
[05:02] <dazjorz> Back.
[05:03] <dazjorz> I'll repeat my question.
[05:03] <dazjorz> ./pcsx2: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:03] <spanglesontoast> bitchx is hard to see people typing etc
[05:03] <dazjorz> ./pcsx2: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:03] <topyli> om_: the easy way: checkinstall. the correct way: consult the apt howto and the debian new maintainers' guide
[05:04] <topyli> om_: the apt howto also tells you how to build the repository
[05:05] <rapha> Tomcat_: I've found something... xlockmore or xlockmore-gl
[05:05] <om_> topyli: thanks
[05:06] <dbernar1> so, dazjorz did you install that then?
[05:06] <dazjorz> dbernarl: gtk or libgtk are not found as modules on apt-get, the file libgtk-1.2.so.0 is not found by locate, ...
[05:07] <Joose^> hi
[05:07] <spanglesontoast> it would just be cool to have something to allow me to put in lots of tunes
[05:07] <dazjorz> where should it be ?
[05:07] <dbernar1> dazjorz: aptitude search libgtk1.2
[05:07] <dbernar1> tell me if it has an i to the left of it.
[05:07] <Chaotic_Shield> omg
[05:07] <Chaotic_Shield> yes
[05:07] <Chaotic_Shield> I love you mIRC
[05:07] <Joose^> i have a problem installing my modem... intel 537 ep
[05:07] <^thehatsrule^> lo spanglesontoast ;p
[05:07] <dazjorz> thanks, dbernarl
[05:08] <dazjorz> it doesn't have an i .
[05:08] <dazjorz> it says
[05:08] <dazjorz> p <file> : <description>
[05:08] <dazjorz> for 5 files
[05:08] <dazjorz> files are beginning with libgtk1.2
[05:08] <dazjorz> i'll get them all, thanks
[05:08] <Tomcat_> rapha: Not installed on a default Install, right?
[05:08] <dbernar1> i A libgtk1.2 - The GIMP Toolkit set of widgets for X?
[05:09] <spanglesontoast> you hats
[05:09] <dbernar1> aha
[05:09] <om_> anyone else have probs with the fluxbox from repositories?
[05:09] <dbernar1> ok, sorry, misread
[05:09] <spanglesontoast> soz was looking at my other terminal
[05:09] <rapha> Tomcat_: nope
[05:09] <Tomcat_> rapha: Can you tell the prog what screen to lock?
[05:09] <dazjorz> no
[05:09] <dazjorz> p libgtk1.2 - The GIMP Toolkit set of widgets for X
[05:09] <^thehatsrule^> spanglesontoast: who else ;p
[05:09] <rapha> Tomcat_: doesn't matter though, I'm on the machine by SSH
[05:09] <dv__> is there a "native linux/unix widget set"?
[05:09] <rapha> Tomcat_: let me see...
[05:09] <dv__> like in Windows
[05:09] <Joose^> have someone here install driver of that modem?
[05:09] <dv__> there is one
[05:09] <Tomcat_> rapha: Because if you lock the current screen with SSH, it won't lock the one somebody else is using...
[05:09] <dv__> and in OSX there is cocoa
[05:09] <rapha> Tomcat_: Well, you just need to export DISPLAY accordingly
[05:09] <dbernar1> ya, I misread, I think you should try jusdt installing that one for now...
[05:09] <Seveas> dv__, in Linux you can choose :)
[05:09] <topyli> dv__: we have several
[05:09] <Tomcat_> rapha: Alright then... should work. :)
[05:10] <dazjorz> dbernarl: I'm downloading.
[05:10] <dv__> so the actual reference toolkit would be motif, right?
[05:10] <Seveas> GTK2 is the default for gnome, Qt for KDE
[05:10] <dazjorz> I love apt-get
[05:10] <topyli> athena!
[05:10] <spanglesontoast> annoying my dad with beep
[05:10] <mjr> dv__, motif would not be an actual reference toolkit on linux systems
[05:10] <rapha> Tomcat_: Does work. I just tried it.
[05:10] <spanglesontoast> hehe
[05:10] <dv__> i read once that motif is the native widgets toolkit for unix
[05:11] <dv__> now that sounds weird
[05:11] <dv__> :D
[05:11] <topyli> dv__: it used to be the toolkit for CDE and other such old stuff
[05:11] <dbernar1> weasnt motif the Java look and feel? cant remember now.
[05:11] <karlwrk> dv__: windows doesn't really have a native one either
[05:11] <karlwrk> it has a whole bunch of different ones too.
[05:11] <Pega> How do I open ect/apt/sources.list so, that is write also, not read only. How in hell do they think I can edit a read only file? :S
[05:12] <brokenbox> so i boot up today and my gnome panel is all whack, the volume and date are on the far left hand side instead of the right and it wont let me move them, any ideas?
[05:12] <karlwrk> look at how many different file open dialogs there are in windows
[05:12] <Pega> Do I need to switch to root or something?
[05:12] <dv__> karlwrk, it does, actually
[05:12] <dbernar1> Pega: use sudo.
[05:12] <rapha> Tomcat_: My girl friend asked me to lock her screen after some time, so her little brother doesn't spend all day playing some game
[05:12] <dv__> you dont draw your own widgets usually
[05:12] <Chaotic_Shield> Pega, in a terminal, do sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:12] <dv__> the system does this for you
[05:12] <karlwrk> linux just suffers from the fact that the differet toolkits look substatially different to each other
[05:12] <Pega> ok, ty
[05:12] <Chaotic_Shield> you need to be root in order to edit anything outside of your home directory.
[05:12] <karlwrk> dv__: be very careful there, "the system" is very vague
[05:12] <dv__> yes
[05:13] <Joose^> how i can entry mode "root" on ubuntu?
[05:13] <karlwrk> there's not just mfc
[05:13] <dv__> i dont mean mfc
[05:13] <dv__> I mean the raw win32 api
[05:13] <reka> karlwrk: wouldn't that 'sufferance' be wanted behaviour?
[05:13] <karlwrk> right,
[05:13] <dv__> and there *are* UI functions
[05:13] <rapha> Is there another BitTorrent tracker for the Breezy Colony 2 CD, or just the one from cdimage.ubuntulinux.org? Because there's no seeders left for that one :-/
[05:13] <Tomcat_> rapha: :D
[05:13] <dv__> which every app uses
[05:13] <dbernar1> Joose^: visit wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[05:13] <dv__> well, almost every app
[05:13] <karlwrk> bullshit
[05:13] <dv__> some cross-platform apps draw their own apps, which looks very ugly
[05:14] <dv__> because it doesnt fit with the rest
[05:14] <mjr> was there a way to give kernel parameters on the live cd?
[05:14] <karlwrk> most people use the prebuilt widgets that come with their dev environment, which might be written in raw win32
[05:14] <karlwrk> but that's just like on linux
[05:14] <karlwrk> you can use the widgets from wx, or from gtk, or from motif, or from qt, or wherever
[05:15] <rommer> when firefox opens it goes to university of minnesotas web page even though i have my home page set as something else, any ideas bout this?
[05:15] <sproingie> the looks can be made more or less the same, but the feel is radically different
[05:15] <sproingie> i have both gtk and qt using plastik, but i'll never make their dialogs feel equivalent
[05:15] <dv__> yes, and fltk/gtk/qt/motif/athena/fox all draw things their way
[05:15] <topyli> dv__: on linux you can get a nice, chaotic desktop by using motif, qt and gtk apps, along with emacs and other old athena-based X apps :)
[05:15] <reka> rommer: [1] checked preferences? [2] how are you launching it?
[05:16] <reka> actually, disregard [1] . :)
[05:16] <reka> you already answered it
[05:16] <Chaotic_Shield> no highlight, kthx.
[05:17] <dazjorz> Erm
[05:17] <dazjorz> Guys
[05:17] <rommer> reka, i have starterbar gdesklet which i just drag n dropped the icon from applications->internet in gnome menu to
[05:17] <dazjorz> someone knows pcsx2 ?
[05:17] <dazjorz> it says
[05:17] <dazjorz> "PCSX2 needs to be configured"
[05:17] <dazjorz> and then
[05:17] <dazjorz> "Could not open the plugins/ directory"
[05:17] <dazjorz> 2 times
[05:17] <dazjorz> and then some strange screen
[05:17] <dbernar1> is that a package name, pcsx2?
[05:17] <dazjorz> its a progra
[05:17] <dazjorz> program*
[05:17] <reka> rommer: check what command the starter icon actually calls
[05:18] <dazjorz> LOL
[05:18] <dazjorz> there is a plugins directory
[05:18] <dazjorz> but it says "could not open the Plugins directory"
[05:18] <dazjorz> it works now
[05:18] <dazjorz> just the Bios ln -s
[05:19] <dazjorz> stupid programmers
[05:19] <topyli> it's locked. press the kick button before trying to loot
[05:19] <rommer> reka, firefox %u
[05:19] <reka> rommer: remove the %u
[05:19] <rommer> yea i tried
[05:19] <dazjorz> wait
[05:19] <rommer> ill try again
[05:19] <dazjorz> there is no bios dir
[05:20] <dabaR> dazjorz: more likely that the distro specific stuff does not allow it to be installed as they used a diff distro.
[05:20] <rommer> reka, hmm that seemed to work, b4 when i took the %u away i couldnt even run firefox
[05:21] <spanglesontoast> how do i do a command that doesn't close when i close the terminal
[05:21] <luminerd> I'm going to kill something.........
[05:21] <luminerd> I finally got the mouse working
[05:21] <spanglesontoast> would it be a shell script
[05:21] <spanglesontoast> ?
[05:21] <luminerd> now, without explination, it NO LONGER WORKS.
[05:21] <reka> rommer: righto then. i can't actually remember what the %u does thouhg. :-/
[05:21] <rapha> Is there another BitTorrent tracker for the Breezy Colony 2 CD, or just the one from cdimage.ubuntulinux.org? Because there's no seeders left for that one :-/
[05:21] <luminerd> I can't use Ubuntu if it's going to do this.
[05:22] <luminerd> what do I do?
[05:22] <luminerd> I don't understand, the mouse was working, with these exact settings, and now it doesn't
[05:22] <dabaR> plug it out and back in.
[05:22] <rommer> reka, by the look of it, it was trying to go to the site %u, and if you just type a word in the address bar then push enter it searches google (or whatever search thing you use) and university of minnesota must be the top hit for %u lol
[05:22] <dabaR> spanglesontoast: I dont understand your question again
[05:23] <luminerd> dabaR, I can NOT do that twice a day every day.
[05:23] <luminerd> I need a better fix than that
[05:23] <spanglesontoast> well i want to run a command
[05:23] <mgcross> Hi all
[05:23] <spanglesontoast> but when i close the terminal it ends
[05:23] <luminerd> otherwise I will throw away my ubuntu disk and never consider using it again
[05:23] <spanglesontoast> it want it to carry on
[05:23] <dabaR> luminerd: does that fix it?
[05:23] <spanglesontoast> *I
[05:23] <reka> rommer: oh, ok then. at least it wasn't some weird site. :)
[05:23] <luminerd> dabaR, yes, but only temporarily
[05:23] <dabaR> luminerd: I have the same thing. Microsoft mousE?
[05:23] <rommer> yea
[05:23] <vader1102> lunimard: does it help if you boot with it in?
[05:24] <topyli> luminerd: o
[05:24] <luminerd> dabaR, sysgration
[05:24] <luminerd> topyli, eh?
[05:24] <dabaR> spanglesontoast: if the command does not return to a prompt right after you run it, I dont think there is a way to do what you are asking, but, then again, I just may not know of it,.
[05:24] <luminerd> vader1102, that's the thing that fixes it
[05:24] <topyli> luminerd: slipped :) i was going to suggest another mouse :)
[05:24] <vader1102> hmmmmmm
[05:24] <spanglesontoast> using beep
[05:24] <luminerd> but it unfixed itself randomly
[05:24] <rommer> anyone know of a mac os x dock app that is better than starterbar?
[05:24] <luminerd> topyli, have tried
[05:24] <spanglesontoast> and i want it to stay on
[05:25] <topyli> hrm
[05:25] <dabaR> luminerd: dunno, I have the same problem with my Microsoft mouse when I boot windows, or sometimes when I boot ubuntu/debian. It is not a all the time thing, tho,
[05:26] <vader1102> lunimard: are you using a laptop by chance with a touchpad?
[05:26] <luminerd> vader1102, I'm using one, but that's not the machine in question
[05:26] <mgcross> I'm trying to run need for speed underground (I bought it) with cedega, when I try to change the keybindings using the game front end, I can't get it to accept input. The game just sits there. Any idea where the config file for the keybindings might be found?
[05:26] <dabaR> spanglesontoast: add a launcher for it?
[05:26] <spanglesontoast> i'm in a ssh
[05:26] <reka> rommer: probably not the best place to ask. :)
[05:26] <vader1102> hmmm ok, just going by process of elimination
[05:26] <spanglesontoast> anyways seeya soon
[05:26] <mgcross> HEEEEELP!!!
[05:26] <spanglesontoast> going back home
[05:26] <dabaR> cya
[05:26] <vader1102> linimard: have you tried a different mouse?
[05:26] <luminerd> dabaR, so what do you do to fix it? just unplug and replug every time?
[05:27] <rommer> reka, nah didnt think so
[05:27] <Evil> hello
[05:27] <Evil> how can we reinstall french keyboard layout please
[05:27] <luminerd> dang it!
[05:27] <vader1102> luninard: I am using a logitch and have no probs
[05:27] <mgcross> please...
[05:27] <luminerd> unplugging did not work this time!!!!!
[05:27] <mgcross> help...
[05:27] <luminerd> alright that's it
[05:27] <luminerd> screw ubuntu
[05:27] <dazjorz> pcsx2 ??
[05:27] <luminerd> it won't work
[05:27] <dazjorz> any pcsx2 users here ?
[05:27] <luminerd> it's a broken OS.
[05:27] <luminerd> a useless OS.
[05:28] <jowi> Evil, you want the keyboard layout for a specific user ?
[05:28] <mgcross> I know it's not a serious problem ....
[05:28] <dabaR> luminerd: yes, sometimes even a couple of times before it works. But, as I said, it is not very often that it happens, not twice a day, or anything. Once in a few days, I leave it sitting, and I cxome back, and reboot into windows, and it will do it...not more than once or twice a week.
[05:28] <luminerd> I spent 15 hours trying to configure this thing
[05:28] <vader1102> linimard: try a diff mouse
[05:28] <djp> luminerd: for you maybe... but for many others a wonderful thing...
[05:28] <mgcross> but my wife keeps beating me
[05:28] <luminerd> dabaR, this keeps happening to me, very often
[05:28] <Bubbling_Zombie> ubuntu isn't an os, ubuntu is a linux distro ffs >_<
[05:28] <dabaR> luminerd: ok, but no need to diss ubuntu, it works here...
[05:28] <luminerd> dabaR, but I can't do this. 20 systems operated by complete n00bs cannot handle it.
[05:28] <dabaR> luminerd: I agree.
[05:29] <Stormx> Bubbling_Zombie: That makes it an OS, you l33t f00l
[05:29] <luminerd> dabaR, it's ubuntu's falt. I know that for a fact, the mouse worked fine under plain debian
[05:29] <Evil> jowi i want back my french layout but i can't find it
[05:29] <jowi> Evil, I have a french install for ubuntu but uses a swedish keyboard in my session by adding "setxkbmap se" to ~/.xinitrc
[05:29] <jowi> Evil,
[05:29] <luminerd> unfortunately nothing else worked under debian
[05:29] <jowi> Evil, oh.
[05:29] <sproingie> hmm, tradeoffs tradeoffs
[05:29] <dabaR> haha.
[05:29] <dabaR> luminerd: good luck, stick around, someone may know a fix.
[05:29] <dabaR> Were all neqwbies here now, pretty much.
[05:29] <Stormx> What is the problem?
[05:29] <sproingie> luminerd: you rolling out ubuntu for a 20 person workgroup?
[05:29] <tombs> hi ppl
[05:29] <sproingie> luminerd: what hardware platform?
[05:29] <luminerd> sproingie, huh?
[05:29] <Stormx> Heya
[05:30] <luminerd> sproingie, uuh, emachine
[05:30] <mgcross> so noone cares that she's beating me???
[05:30] <Stormx> What's the problem? >_>
[05:30] <luminerd> sproingie, oh, amd
[05:30] <sproingie> luminerd: [08:28] <luminerd> dabaR, but I can't do this. 20 systems operated by complete n00bs cannot handle i
[05:30] <luminerd> Stormx, mouse does not move in X.
[05:30] <jowi> Evil, you can set it in gnome-keyboard-properties
[05:30] <luminerd> sproingie, eh?
[05:30] <luminerd> sproingie, what about it? yes I said that...so?
[05:30] <reka> mgcross: most of us would love to be beaten by a woman. :P
[05:30] <Stormx> luminerd, hang on. Seveas told me how to reconfigure hardware yesterday.......
[05:30] <sproingie> luminerd: just curious about the platform that's broken for every user
[05:30] <sproingie> luminerd: but i already know to avoid emachines
[05:31] <Evil> already tried jowi
[05:31] <luminerd> sproingie, I'm lost
[05:31] <jowi> Evil, "Agencements" and press the "default" tickbox
[05:31] <mgcross> reka: no you wouldn't
[05:31] <luminerd> sproingie, it was cheapest, that's what we needed
[05:31] <dv__> hmm
[05:31] <sproingie> luminerd: you get what you pay for
[05:31] <dv__> motif stuff can look stylish
[05:31] <dv__> :)
[05:31] <Madeye> guys how to extract bz2 file from command line /
[05:31] <mgcross> reka: trust me she hits really hard
[05:31] <dabaR> mgcross: how would I know about that new game thing...if someone knows theyll help you. Let your question at least scroll ovff the screen before you ask it again. Dont say help, repeat, or rephrase your question.
[05:31] <luminerd> sproingie, false
[05:31] <djp> luminerd: do you have the same problem with all 20 machines and same branded mice?
[05:31] <luminerd> sproingie, it is debian that is not working on the machine
[05:31] <luminerd> the hardware is fine
[05:31] <jowi> Evil, you have the french keyboard available in gnome-keyboard-settings?
[05:31] <luminerd> djp, yes
[05:32] <sproingie> luminerd: a lot of things are going to have miscellaneous problems
[05:32] <reka> mgcross: have you done the prerequisite forum/google search?
[05:32] <mgcross> dabaR: you don't understand she's beating me
[05:32] <mwest> Madeye: tar -xjvf foo.tar.bz2 (assuming it's a tar.bz2 file)
[05:32] <jowi> Evil, "gnome-keyboard-properties" i mean
[05:32] <mgcross> reka: yes I have, nothing close
[05:32] <djp> luminerd: and obviously they are all brand new mice on each machine...
[05:33] <sproingie> luminerd: you're the one with the problem of the mouse being jerky when the machine's under load?
[05:33] <dabaR> mgcross: what? who is beating you? If you are talking about a person, the police would be a better place to ask help, than here.
[05:33] <luminerd> sproingie, don't do this alright? I have what I have and nothing can be done about it...$8000 was already a lot for computers, and that was the cheapest it got for 20 of em
[05:33] <Stormx> luminerd: Bah, seveas told me how to reconfigure hardware, but I can't find the damn command. Have you checked the Wiki?
[05:33] <Evil> no jowi
[05:33] <luminerd> djp, yes, new, or maybe refurbished, not sure, I think new
[05:33] <jowi> Then click "Add" there
[05:33] <Evil> i don't have the french keyboard there
[05:33] <luminerd> sproingie, no, the mouse is not jerky, the mouse doesn't work
[05:33] <djp> luminerd: what was the brand again?
[05:33] <sproingie> luminerd: wow. usb or ps2?
[05:33] <Evil> already tried but he don't want to do anything !!
[05:33] <luminerd> djp, of what?
[05:33] <luminerd> sproingie, ps2
[05:33] <Stormx> luminerd: I'm gonna look it up for ya. You tried a reinstall?
[05:33] <djp> luminerd: the mouse?
[05:33] <reka> dabaR: he meant beating score-wise (at least i think so)
[05:33] <luminerd> Stormx, yes, and on 2 different machines
[05:33] <sproingie> luminerd: does gpm even work?
[05:34] <dabaR> reka: oh no, I am going to lose a game:-/
[05:34] <luminerd> djp, it doesn't matter, no mouse works. tried dell and sysgration...sysgration is the one all the systems have
[05:34] <jowi> Evil, what happens when you click "add"?
[05:34] <luminerd> but both did the same thing
[05:34] <Evil> i can't click on it
[05:34] <luminerd> sproingie, wouldn't know, never did anything with gpm
[05:34] <djp> luminerd: oh i see.
[05:34] <dabaR> :)
[05:34] <George_> hi
[05:34] <George_> i'm getting a vpd error
[05:34] <sproingie> luminerd: me neither, not in a while. it is simpler than x tho, just trying to remove all variables
[05:34] <dabaR> almost food time:)
[05:34] <reka> mgcross: /j #cedega
[05:34] <George_> how must i fix
[05:35] <luminerd> sproingie, eh?
[05:35] <mgcross> reka: google gives me nothing, I know you would all love to be beaten by a women but she is very strong and she can't use all four fingers at once on the cursor keys
[05:35] <sproingie> luminerd: actually, try cat /dev/psaux at another console then move the mouse around
[05:35] <luminerd> sproingie, I'm not sure what gpm is, does it come default install
[05:35] <sproingie> luminerd: it should spew a bunch of crap onto your screen
[05:35] <jowi> Evil, then i think you could run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" to set up the language if i am not mistaken (please someone correct me if i am wrong)
[05:35] <luminerd> sproingie, cat returns nothing
[05:35] <sproingie> luminerd: methinks it's the port that's broken
[05:35] <Stormx> luminerd, try this: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:35] <luminerd> sproingie, false
[05:35] <luminerd> sproingie, no hardware issues.
[05:35] <dabaR> George_: Did you want to tell us more information about your problem?
[05:35] <luminerd> sproingie, I would lay my life on that.
[05:35] <sproingie> luminerd: it's broken in software
[05:35] <luminerd> sproingie, oh...
[05:35] <luminerd> heh sorry, I misinterpretted
[05:36] <mgcross> reka: how the hell do I change to the cedega channel. I may not be a linux newbie but I am an IRC newbie...LOL
[05:36] <dabaR> luminerd: on all computers it does the same thing?
[05:36] <sproingie> luminerd: maybe it's using a weird interrupt. i wouldn't be surprised if linux's ps2 driver has it hardwired
[05:36] <George_> Msg: Vpd: Cannot read VPD keys
[05:36] <Stormx> hello..........
[05:36] <luminerd> dabaR, well, 2, so yes I'd assume all
[05:36] <reka> mgcross: what client are you using?
[05:36] <Stormx> luminerd: have you tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:36] <mgcross> reka: xchat
[05:36] <djp> luminerd: i don't know if this will help you, but take a look anyway... http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=343737
[05:36] <reka> mgcross: click on the cedega button on the bottom :)
[05:36] <luminerd> Stormx, yes, several times, but I prefered to edit the xorg.conf file, which I also did
[05:37] <Stormx> luminerd: I have no idea then
[05:37] <Stormx> We need seveas, really ;-)
[05:37] <mgcross> reka: we have ubuntu servers and #ubuntu
[05:37] <dabaR> shine a seveas light into the night sky...
[05:37] <sproingie> luminerd: try looking in the bios, and see if there are any user-serviceable settings for the ps2 port, write down the irq info and all that if it's there
[05:37] <dabaR> mgcross: /join #cedega
[05:37] <mgcross> reka: and she's hitting me harder
[05:37] <Stormx> Else just scrap the PS2 Mice.
[05:38] <reka> mgcross: what dabaR said
[05:38] <sproingie> luminerd: and check it against a known good machine. as i said, linux might have assumptions hardwired in and they might be different on yours
[05:38] <dabaR> mgcross: call the cops.
[05:38] <mgcross> reka: thanks
[05:38] <sproingie> luminerd: another thing to try is flipping the "plug and play OS" setting in the bios. linux doesn't really use it, but sometimes it works better on and sometimes better off
[05:38] <Stormx> Has anyone had problems getting screen resolution above 1024x768 in a clean install or hoary?
[05:39] <reka> Stormx: lots of people
[05:39] <luminerd> Stormx, thanks anyway
[05:39] <reka> !fixres
[05:39] <ubotu> I guess fixres is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:39] <luminerd> sproingie, bios no problems
[05:39] <jowi> Stormx, it all depends on your graphicscard and monitor settings. check the link ubotu showed
[05:39] <luminerd> sproingie, I have no good machine to check against
[05:39] <djp> luminerd: did you take a look at the link i gave you earlier?
[05:39] <luminerd> sproingie, they are all BIOS optimized defaults
[05:39] <Stormx> reka: Seen that page, but i'm not entirely sure what I should do >_>
[05:39] <hadi57> is it possible to use ubuntu as internet server?
[05:40] <Evil> it says i got a bug with xkb jowi
[05:40] <luminerd> djp, yes, read it, seems to be a different problem though :/
[05:40] <dabaR> hadi57: yes, off course.
[05:40] <Seveas> hadi57, of course :)
[05:40] <djp> luminerd: ok
[05:40] <sproingie> luminerd: "bios optimized" is an oxymoron :)
[05:40] <xmen90s> hello all, i am going on day 5 of having ubuntu instlaled and still not being able to connect to the internet .... will someone please help ....
[05:40] <luminerd> sproingie, in what way?
[05:40] <dabaR> hadi57: do you know how to use synaptic?
[05:40] <sproingie> luminerd: it is weird that it does work with other distributions. it's gotta be some weird plug and play or acpi thing
[05:41] <hadi57> i have internet satelite modems 5 at the moment and using censornet and looking for replacement can u assist me?
[05:41] <reka> Stormx: start with this section: 'Run the Autodetect Script Again'
[05:41] <reka> Stormx: i assume you know about terminal?
[05:41] <luminerd> sproingie, last time I fixed it by simply unplugging the mouse, turning the comp off, unplugging the comp, replugging the mouse, replugging the comp, and booting up...then it worked
[05:41] <sproingie> luminerd: cheap bioses (which is pretty much all of 'em) often guess wrong if you do the slightest bit of installation. and sometimes it just ships broken
[05:41] <jowi> Evil, I have no idea what that is. try just to type in a terminal: "setxkbmap fr" and see if that works for you.
[05:41] <luminerd> this time it did not work
[05:41] <Squall> ellow
[05:41] <Squall> how do i set date and time manualy?
[05:41] <Evil> i dont have it installed
[05:41] <hadi57> dada no i dont
[05:42] <jowi> Evil, so that is the problem.
[05:42] <sproingie> luminerd: well, that almost certainly points to the bios then
[05:42] <jowi> Evil, hang on
[05:42] <dazjorz> ermm
[05:42] <luminerd> sproingie, it is not the bios
[05:42] <reka> Squall: right-click on clock > adjust
[05:42] <dazjorz> gonna paste something on the pastebin...
[05:42] <luminerd> sproingie, the bios is the same now
[05:42] <luminerd> sproingie, as it was then
[05:42] <luminerd> so it can't be can it?
[05:42] <dabaR> hadi57: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto to learn that, it is a program that helps you install programs for your ubuntu.
[05:42] <sproingie> luminerd: the kernel desn't run any special code when the machine is unplugged
[05:42] <dazjorz> look here
[05:42] <luminerd> sproingie, ...eh??
[05:42] <dazjorz> http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/975
[05:42] <sproingie> even beos only knows if the power switch is on or off ;)
[05:43] <dabaR> hadi57: apache is the web server most commonly used, there is also apache2.
[05:43] <hadi57> ill check it out
[05:43] <FourStarGeneral> If i have a file archive for apt, how do i generate the Release etc files
[05:43] <luminerd> sproingie, I'm not sure what you mean
[05:43] <Stormx> I'm guessing I need to restart X for the new screen res settings to take effect?
[05:43] <hadi57> apache is for web hosting
[05:43] <Squall> reka: i have only command line?
[05:43] <reka> Stormx: correct
[05:43] <Stormx> Ctrl + Alt + Backspace ^_^
[05:43] <dazjorz> http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/975
[05:43] <xmen90s> can no one help me connect to the internet?
[05:43] <dazjorz> look here http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/975
[05:43] <sproingie> luminerd: i'm just being facetious. if fiddling with the hardware directly like power-cycling resolves the problem, then it sounds like hardware
[05:43] <hadi57> i've used squid in the past with redhad, but i am looking for complete solution includint client managment
[05:44] <dabaR> hadi57: yes, a web server.
[05:44] <Evil> ok jowi
[05:44] <reka> Squall: oh, no idea then, sorry
[05:44] <sproingie> luminerd: unless you're resuming from suspend or hibernate. i used to have the mouse konk out on linux all the time when resuming from hibernate
[05:44] <djp> luminerd: do you have an live cd's kicking about? maybe try with one of them and check the mouse works ok then?
[05:44] <om_> can anyone explain how to add a WM compiled by source to a DM like KDM or GDM manually?
[05:44] <sproingie> luminerd: it just became something i got used to until i scraped linux off and put freebsd on the laptop
[05:44] <luminerd> sproingie, what is the fix? That IS what happened....
[05:44] <jowi> Evil, sudo apt-get install language-pack-fr-base language-pack-fr
[05:44] <Squall> how do i set date and time manualy in the command line?
[05:44] <dazjorz> guys
[05:44] <dazjorz> comon
[05:44] <dazjorz> oops
[05:44] <Evil> ok
[05:45] <dabaR> hadi57: like a webmin? I dont know about that. I have apache, proftpd, and openssh-server installed.
[05:45] <luminerd> djp, no livecds...but the mouse worked, as I said, on debian
[05:45] <sproingie> luminerd: the fix is to install freebsd, because linux's suspend/resume stuff is so broken. alternatively you can try compiling PS/2 mouse as a module, then rmmod and modprobe when resuming from suspend
[05:45] <sproingie> luminerd: don't leave out that detail next time :)
[05:45] <djp> luminerd: oh, ok. but i gather you had other issues with debian, right?
[05:45] <dabaR> dazjorz: I dont play games, and I dont know what you isnatlled or whatever. Make sure you check the repos before you isntall something from source.
[05:45] <dazjorz> dabaR: I'm running a playstation 2 emulator with WINE.
[05:46] <djp> oh, ok... the problem is from resume/suspend!
[05:46] <dazjorz> dabaR: I just got this error.
[05:46] <sproingie> luminerd: it could be worse, i had one machine where the keyboard and nic both didn't work after resuming
[05:46] <dabaR> I am sorry to har you are wasting your time on that;)
[05:46] <hadi57> i am doing isp work in a small scale, sharing the satelite modem with 50 to 100 client on each modem and looking for a solution, as i said at the moment i am using censornet but facing some problems
[05:46] <sproingie> luminerd: that one got freebsd too :)
[05:46] <dabaR> hadi57: consider paid help, I think.:)
[05:46] <luminerd> sproingie, well it can't be worse.
[05:46] <hadi57> i have webmin i used it
[05:47] <onur> Hello, I realized that my wireless connection occassionally is cut down without any reason. How can i correct this issue ?
[05:47] <hadi57> no problem the paid help
[05:47] <luminerd> sproingie, because now I have to spend $10,000 to pay for microsoft office for my 20 windows systems.
[05:47] <Squall> how do i set date and time manualy in the command line?
[05:47] <dabaR> an Internet server like dhpcd or something...
[05:47] <sproingie> luminerd: no you probably don't, there *are* workarounds
[05:47] <jowi> onur, try to change the channel in your router.
[05:47] <sproingie> luminerd: they'll cost you in time, but probably not as much as microsoft licenses
[05:47] <onur> jowi this issue only happens in ubuntu though
[05:47] <dabaR> dazjorz: well, try installing all it says is missing, that would be an obvious(sometimes) first step...
[05:47] <hess_> ello
[05:48] <hadi57> i found some billing packages in freshmeat.net
[05:48] <hess_> anyone has issues with eciadsl ??
[05:48] <luminerd> sproingie, if I can't fix this, I'll have to try another distro, and if I can't fix it there, it'll be Windows and I will need office.
[05:48] <dazjorz> dabaR: I installed all of libatk. Still there. So,...
[05:48] <jowi> onur, i have never tried wireless in linux so i wouldn't know (i have configured many accesspoints though)
[05:48] <onur> Squall, try : man date
[05:48] <sproingie> luminerd: you could try fedora, which uses a heavily patched kernel that might have it fixed. freebsd might run fine on 'em too, it has perfectly good suspend support
[05:48] <Deanodriver> hi
[05:48] <luminerd> sproingie, I hate fedora -_-
[05:48] <luminerd> lol
[05:48] <Jemt> My wireless (Cisco, Centrino) seems to be running just fine
[05:48] <onur> ok
[05:48] <bina> hmm, looks like someones been trying to break into my PC :S
[05:49] <Deanodriver> i've got a weird issue with this new hdd I've added
[05:49] <sproingie> luminerd: i bet right now you hate linux. choose your battles.
[05:49] <Ozziej> hi
[05:49] <luminerd> sproingie, I don't hate linux in the least
[05:49] <onur> Jemt, mine too but ocassionally it is cut down with no reason
[05:49] <sproingie> luminerd: the suspend/resume bugs are something i've never seen linux adequately fix
[05:49] <luminerd> in fact if I had time, I'd do a slackware install on it
[05:49] <cute_bettong> is Breezy still busted?
[05:49] <Deanodriver> basically, I do a df -h /dev/hdd1, and it says:
[05:49] <Deanodriver> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[05:49] <Deanodriver> /dev/hdd1 147G 132G 7.4G 95% /files2
[05:49] <Jemt> onur: Oh, wired
[05:49] <Deanodriver> 132GB used and 7.4GB free? but there's 147GB total?
[05:49] <luminerd> sproingie, then linux is useless...which I refuse to believe
[05:49] <Deanodriver> what's the deal with that?
[05:50] <sproingie> luminerd: you can always run linux apps in /compat/linux in fbsd. i believe it now even has debian as an option
[05:50] <Evil> well
[05:50] <rivai> tes
[05:50] <Evil> jowi
[05:50] <dabaR> Deanodriver: very badly composed question.
[05:50] <Deanodriver> sorry
[05:50] <dabaR> no need to be sorry.
[05:50] <onur> Hello, I realized that my wireless connection occassionally is cut down without any reason. How can i correct this issue ?
[05:50] <sproingie> luminerd: it's not so black and white. it has nasty bugs on a particular class of hardware
[05:50] <jowi> Evil, did it do the trick?
[05:50] <Ozziej> is there an easy way to change ubuntu's language to english? i don't like the dutch translation
[05:50] <Evil> now my shift and altgr buttons doesn't want to work
[05:50] <sproingie> luminerd: makes it useless for some situations, but there's fixes if you spend a lot of time and money chasing them down
[05:50] <Deanodriver> but I'm just wondering why if it's used 132GB on a 147GB partition, there's not 15GB free?
[05:50] <dabaR> 147G 132G 7.4G is that what you are complaining about, it does not compute?
[05:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is Breezy still busted?
[05:50] <sproingie> anyway, i gotta get going
[05:51] <luminerd> sproingie, that's ridiculous
[05:51] <sproingie> ChurcH_of_FoamY: yes, it will be busted until release
[05:51] <luminerd> sproingie, ok, ttyl
[05:51] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[05:51] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> bummer
[05:51] <bina> anyone know of a good tool that makes using snort and viewing its outputs easier
[05:51] <Deanodriver> the fact that 7GB seems to have gone missing :)
[05:51] <Evil> i got a bug with kbd since months :(
[05:51] <jowi> Evil, ok. then you go into gnome-keyboard-properties and set the keyboard type so it matches yours (usually 105 keys or something)
[05:51] <Deanodriver> formatted in ext3
[05:51] <dabaR> sudo fdisk -l /dev/hdd
[05:51] <onur> Is there anyone i this channel experienced with wireless issues of ubuntu ?
[05:51] <sproingie> ChurcH_of_FoamY: that's development for you. even breezy debs don't track every package on breezy, just whatever they work on
[05:52] <sproingie> ChurcH_of_FoamY: actually i can't speak for breezy devs, but that does describe DD's
[05:52] <peterretief> hey all, how to get the dvd to show the full screen (not the stripe in the middle) using vlc media
[05:52] <Deanodriver> 19457 cylinders, the partition starts at 1, ends at 19457
[05:52] <sproingie> ok, gone now
[05:52] <dabaR> Deanodriver: so it gives you only that one partition?
[05:52] <Deanodriver> i only put the one partition on the drive :)
[05:52] <jowi> Evil, i need to be on my way. if you need help in french you can have a look in #ubuntu-fr channel
[05:52] <Deanodriver> (it's a files partition)
[05:53] <peterretief> gotta go
[05:53] <dabaR> did you do sudo fdisk -l /dev/hdd, Deanodriver
[05:53] <Deanodriver> yes
[05:53] <Ozziej> how can i change ubuntu's language?
[05:53] <dabaR> Deanodriver: and it tells only one partition?
[05:53] <Deanodriver> yes
[05:53] <onur> Second question: "" is a turkish latter which i use in my turkish keyboard. Everything is working verywell with my keyboard but only this latter is printed slightly wrong. the dot should be centered but it is on the right of I. What can i do about it ?
[05:53] <jowi> Ozziej, the whole system? sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[05:54] <jowi> onur, probably the font
[05:54] <dabaR> dbernar1@dabar:~$ df -h
[05:54] <dabaR> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[05:54] <dabaR> /dev/hdb1 9.2G 3.3G 5.5G 38% /
[05:54] <crashd> onur: make your own font.
[05:54] <dazjorz> is SEVEAS here ?
[05:54] <crashd> or learn to deal with it ;}
[05:54] <jowi> gotto go. bye all
[05:54] <onur> jowi, crashd how ?
[05:54] <crashd> lol
[05:54] <crashd> it was a joke :]
[05:54] <dabaR> Deanodriver: seems like a common thing.
[05:54] <crashd> try changing to a different font with the same charset
[05:54] <Deanodriver> ok
[05:54] <crashd> i have 0 experience of internationalistaiton in linux
[05:54] <crashd> the only language i speak is english and drunk, sorry ;\
[05:54] <Deanodriver> so the space reporting is bogus?
[05:55] <Deanodriver> even though it works fine with the fat32 partition (on an identical drive)
[05:55] <dazjorz> test
[05:55] <dazjorz> ermm
[05:55] <dabaR> it is not exactly bogus...
[05:55] <dazjorz> I need help with WINE
[05:55] <dabaR> just misses on some occassions it seems.
[05:55] <dazjorz> someone here ?
[05:55] <Ozziej> jowi, wich localization should i use for normal english? en_IN ?
[05:56] <onur> crashd, this somewhat corrects the issue but that also means i would be unable to use some of the fonts. I also know there are some Turkish fonts. How can i install a new font to my system. And also shouldn't ubuntu staff be informed about it because it is obviously a minor bug
[05:56] <Deanodriver> just tried to copy a 9.4GB directory to that drive, and it says there's not enough space
[05:56] <crashd> onur: i really dont know man, try posting the forums
[05:56] <flodine> will i be able to update to breezy when it comes out
[05:57] <onur> How can i be a jedi ?
[05:57] <dazjorz> onur: take a training with yoda
[05:57] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[05:57] <sig> kill yourself
[05:57] <sig> be one with the force
[05:57] <dabaR> flodine: yes. off course.
[05:57] <dazjorz> you can become a jedi by not becoming a sith... you can always do that later
[05:57] <onur> sig i suppose you're correct. But in a different sense
[05:57] <dazjorz> i mean, look at anakin
[05:57] <deathllama> i got a help request here.
[05:58] <Evil> do someone got this line Option "CoreKeyboard"
[05:58] <dazjorz> me too
[05:58] <onur> it is obviously easy to control your self if there is less self
[05:58] <onur> so killing the self may be the answer, anyway back to ubuntu
[05:58] <Deanodriver> so does anyone know why 7GB is missing? :)
[05:59] <Deanodriver> is it something to do with ext3? :)
[06:00] <onur> dazjorz, I suppose we all need help with WINe, don't we guys ?
[06:00] <dazjorz> onur: WINE is a program :\
[06:00] <bina> can anyone suggest an easy to use IDS?
[06:01] <Kyral> http://www.petitiononline.com/jtp7995/petition.html <-- Sign for Video Game Freedom!
[06:01] <onur> dazjorz, Wine Is Not an Emulator though
[06:01] <trog|odyt> Deanodriver if you type df -h does it say there is enough space available?
[06:01] <Deanodriver> it says there's 7.4GB free, but it says the partition is 147GB, with 132GB used
[06:02] <Deanodriver> shouldn't there be 15GB free?
[06:02] <dabaR> only mathmatically.
[06:02] <dazjorz> onur: It needs some DLLs. Should I just download them from some odd page ?
[06:03] <Deanodriver> I have another identical drive, which is formatted in fat32, but works out as 150GB, and 132GB is used, with 18GB free, like normal :)
[06:03] <trog|odyt> hmm yeah I guess..
[06:03] <Deanodriver> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[06:03] <Deanodriver> /dev/hdd1 147G 132G 7.4G 95% /files2
[06:03] <Deanodriver> the drive in question
[06:03] <Deanodriver> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[06:03] <Deanodriver> /dev/hdb1 150G 132G 18G 89% /files
[06:03] <Deanodriver> the other one
[06:04] <Deanodriver> both the same model drives :)
[06:04] <trog|odyt> odd.. no idea, sorry
[06:04] <Deanodriver> hmm
[06:04] <Seveas> Deanodriver, defrag the bastard :)
[06:04] <Evil> hey
[06:04] <Deanodriver> how do i do that? :)
[06:04] <Deanodriver> (i just formatted it tonight) :P
[06:04] <Seveas> you need a windows system for that
[06:05] <Evil> how can i get setxkbmap back on my sysyem
[06:05] <Deanodriver> what, the fat32 partition?
[06:05] <Deanodriver> the fat32 is the 150 one
[06:05] <kestas> if I get a PCMCIA wireless card, and a PCI card for my gateway computer, do I not need to buy a wireless router?
[06:05] <Deanodriver> the 147 one (the one with the weird issue) is ext3
[06:05] <Apex> yup, you need a router, or an access point if you already have a wired router
[06:05] <trog|odyt> maybe you have bad sectors on the ext3 one
[06:06] <kestas> ah k :(
[06:06] <Evil> please help me
[06:06] <Deanodriver> any way to find out?
[06:06] <wilhelm> hi
[06:06] <Deanodriver> since I only bought it today
[06:06] <MartenH> kestas, well not if you set it up correctly
[06:06] <Deanodriver> well
[06:06] <Deanodriver> 12 hours ago
[06:06] <trog|odyt> do you have enough room to swap the files. and format?
[06:06] <trog|odyt> make the fat32 one ext3, and vice versa
[06:06] <Apex> At least routers are cheap nowadays
[06:06] <wilhelm> i want to install dc++ on my ubuntu system; how can i do that?.
[06:06] <Deanodriver> the files on the fat32 one are the same as the ext3 one :P
[06:06] <onur> dazjorz, yes you might, but wine is very trouble some
[06:06] <kestas> well theyre over 70AUD here
[06:06] <MartenH> kestas, you can make it work without a router
[06:06] <Deanodriver> they were originally on the fat32 one
[06:06] <kestas> which is a bit more than I would like
[06:07] <trog|odyt> yeah, but your first trouble shooting step is to replicate it on the other drive
[06:07] <kestas> MartenH, well I want it to have range through the whole house, and be able to access all comptuers in the network
[06:07] <onur> dazjorz, they claim that it is alpha. And I dont think they care about it because with new Windows (at the end of 2006) Win32 will be dead and Wine will be dead also
[06:07] <PieD> hi
[06:07] <Deanodriver> replicate what? so i should format the fat32 drive to ext3?
[06:07] <wilhelm> i want to install dc++ on my ubuntu system; how can i do that?
[06:07] <MartenH> kestas, still plausible but you might have trouble with the range
[06:07] <trog|odyt> take the "bad" drive and format it to fat32, then move allthe data back onto it and see what the df-h says about it
[06:07] <Ozziej> i just did dpkg-reconfigure locales, but my Gnome stays in dutch while i set english to be default, do i have to change gnome to?
[06:07] <onur> so people of linux start using Mono instead of wine
[06:07] <Deanodriver> ok then
[06:08] <dazjorz> k
[06:08] <Pega> I know this isn't really about ubuntu but... Can you change download manager to show things as KBs, instead of Bs?
[06:08] <PieD> "Please don't use Breezy yet"
[06:08] <dazjorz> how do i emulate win32 programs then
[06:08] <PieD> when will it change ?
[06:08] <kestas> can anyone recommend a good cheap wireless router?
[06:08] <PieD> X.org 7.0 rc0 is released
[06:08] <wilhelm> who help me with installing ubuntu?
[06:08] <kestas> 801.22b is fine,I dont need g
[06:08] <Deanodriver> we'll see what happens then :)
[06:08] <MartenH> D-link and netgear are fairly good priced
[06:08] <wilhelm> who help me with installing dc++ in ubuntu?
[06:08] <PieD> I believed it'd help stabilising breezy
[06:09] <trog|odyt> kestas I'm happy with my dlink 614+
[06:09] <kestas> MartenH, any specific models you can recommend?
[06:09] <kestas> trog|odyt, hmm k thanks
[06:09] <Deanodriver> how do i format a disk in linux? :)
[06:09] <Pega> wilhelm, I think that dc++ is only for windows? I heard once that there was DCGUI or something for linux. Not 100% sure tho.
[06:09] <onur> dazjorz, you can't. Remember wine is not an emulator. It just wraps some api and tries to work the program. Some programs you can never work, some work excellent. You google it and learn if any other people managed to run that program or not. Even for any silly program you will find some one tried it with wine
[06:09] <MartenH> kestas, not used them but I looked into it alot when I got mine, was looking at G though. D-link 624 and 624+ where nice for that
[06:10] <Ozziej> i just did dpkg-reconfigure locales, but my Gnome stays in dutch while i set english to be default, do i have to change gnome to?
[06:10] <MartenH> kestas, however if you are fine with just 11b you could probably get the stuff you need for a very decent price
[06:10] <kestas> trog|odyt, looks like a good one but too expensive
[06:10] <MartenH> kestas, both in store and second-hand
[06:10] <kestas> MartenH, 70USD is the lower limit
[06:10] <trog|odyt> ebay
[06:10] <kestas> Im not gonna make the ebay mistake again
[06:10] <Deanodriver> so how would i reformat this disk, then? :)
[06:10] <onur> dazjorz, this is why i told everyone has problems with wine. I desperatly need Autocad 2004 in linux but i can't and no one has able to run it with Wine for example.
[06:11] <dazjorz> :(
[06:11] <Ozziej> u cant run autocad with crossover office?
[06:11] <dazjorz> onur: So how do I emulate it then !!!
[06:11] <onur> dazjorz, you can't
[06:11] <MartenH> kestas, I got a PCI+PCMCIA+Router for 11g for 120USD, and trhat was Linksys! so something matching but in 11b and netgear or D-link shouldn't cost you more that $70 IMHO
[06:12] <MartenH> kestas, and a good idea is to try ebay and other places liket hat if you want to save yet another few cents
[06:12] <onur> I never tried crossover office since it is commercial. But i know that you can't run Autocad 2004 with Wine very certainly
[06:12] <wilhelm> http://dcgui.berlios.de/download.php <----- help me with that, what is the right choice?
[06:13] <kestas> MartenH, well the cheapest of the cheap Ive managed to whittle it down to comparing lots of prices is 95AUD, which is something like 60USD, for Router+PCMCIA, not including shipping
[06:13] <kestas> and hopefully including tax
[06:13] <kestas> its not bad I guess
[06:13] <onur> dazjorz, have you ever written a program with Win32 before? Believe me Win32 is more dirty than your toilet, this is why MS is throwing it away. So emulating it is worthless
[06:13] <wilhelm> http://dcgui.berlios.de/download.php <----- help me with that, what is the right choice? anybody help me with that?
[06:14] <MartenH> fairly decent I'd say. I picked my stuff in store to save shipping and found some nice mailin rebates to go with it. It pays of to spend that little extra time looking
[06:15] <MartenH> kestas, I hope you find something, it's sooo nice to not worry about beeing hooked up everywhere
[06:15] <onur> who are the ops of this channel
[06:15] <Ozziej> no one know how i can completely change ubuntu's language? i set dpkg-reconfigure locales to en_IN but almost everything in Gnome is still in dutch
[06:15] <onur> Ozziej, changing the langage you mean changing the menus to your language ?
[06:15] <dv__> onur, true.
[06:15] <dv__> I am writing a cross-platform UI
[06:15] <Ozziej> onur yeas
[06:16] <Ozziej> yes
[06:16] <dv__> with a win32 backend, among others.
[06:16] <dv__> using plain win32api.
[06:16] <teferi> ugh. win32 api.
[06:16] <dv__> it is...... ugly
[06:16] <teferi> it's dead. let it lie.
[06:16] <dv__> but sometimes I find gtk+ even uglier
[06:16] <Funzo> can anybody tell me where to find a amd64 binary version of wine?
[06:16] <teferi> gtk+ api isn't ugly if you're writing in a language that isn't C :P
[06:16] <dv__> its far from dead
[06:16] <dv__> :)
[06:16] <onur> Ozziej, can you find your language in the login iscreen
[06:17] <reka> wilhelm: don't.sudo apt-get install dcgui
[06:17] <teferi> dv__: well, it SHOULD be
[06:17] <sun_> has anyone installed nvidia-glx package?
[06:17] <dv__> and which replacement?
[06:17] <mjr> Funzo, you don't
[06:17] <ep> Can someone give me a quick example of how to use grep to searh *.cpp files for a given string and also search the subdirectories. Everything i try fails.
[06:17] <teferi> yeah, swf or avalon
[06:17] <onur> I personally use Java
[06:17] <Funzo> mjr??
[06:17] <teferi> i'm kinda annoyed that swf is being killed in favor of avalon already, it's honestly not a bad api at all
[06:17] <dv__> .net that is?
[06:17] <Ozziej> onur, omg, that i didnt thought of that... ill try now :)
[06:17] <onur> Swing is good and SWT is another taste that you can compile it to completely native
[06:17] <teferi> such is progress. oh well.
[06:17] <dv__> anyway, doing my tk and is progressing well
[06:18] <sun_> ep, find . -name '*.cpp' -print | xargs grep STRING
[06:18] <mjr> Funzo, wine doesn't emulate the underlying hardware; it needs to run as a 32-bit binary to provide a 32-bit environment for the windows programs
[06:18] <Funzo> ok
[06:18] <kestas> are routers OS dependant?
[06:18] <kestas> theyre not right?
[06:18] <kestas> hardware routers that is
[06:18] <Funzo> so is there a 64bit version in development?
[06:18] <kestas> wireless hardware routers
[06:18] <nightswim> as long as your router doesnt run windows with ICS
[06:19] <gorth> Do i have to give the initrd option when compiling a vanilla kernel?
[06:19] <Funzo> as inm one to work with 64bit apps
[06:19] <sun_> ep, did it work?
[06:19] <dv__> gorth, no
[06:19] <mjr> Funzo, things are being done to support 64-bit windows binaries on a 64-bit wine, but the official stance seems to be that people should just run a 32-bit wine to run 32-bit windows apps
[06:19] <ep> let me try, seems complicated :)
[06:19] <dv__> it depends on how you use the kernel
[06:19] <dv__> with a bzImage: no
[06:19] <gorth> dv__, ahh ok, the problem is that my system panic on startup..
[06:19] <dv__> with a bzImage & grub, that is.
[06:19] <onur> Funzo, as i told earlier with one year, Wine will be dead as Win32 so dont bother
[06:20] <dv__> cant say how it is with lilo thoigh
[06:20] <gorth> dv__, if i don't specify anything, will make-kpkg build a bzImage?
[06:20] <dv__> make-kpkg?
[06:20] <dv__> never used that
[06:20] <mjr> onur, you're into overstatements, much?
[06:20] <ep> but it works! Guess I need to make script or something to simplify the process.
[06:20] <dv__> onur, wrong.
[06:20] <dv__> there are bazillion games based on the current architecture.
[06:20] <dv__> and there will be more.
[06:20] <sun_> ep, simplified: find YOUR_SOURCE_DIRECTORY -name '*.cpp' | xargs grep YOUR_REGEXP
[06:20] <gorth> dv__, ahh ok..
[06:21] <lenoxmo> ick fiona
[06:21] <dv__> since people dont throw away their installation that quickly
[06:21] <onur> but Win32 will be like 16 bit for new windows
[06:21] <equex> win32 is only dead in the eyes if the marketers
[06:21] <dv__> besides, win32 will be emulated
[06:21] <Saba_Z> Hi
[06:21] <onur> so i don't think begining from the end of next year no one should use Win32
[06:21] <sun_> hi
[06:21] <dv__> gorth, i always simply do "make" and "make modules_install"
[06:21] <sun_> has anyone installed nvidia-glx package?
[06:21] <mjr> onur, what you think doesn't make it so
[06:21] <dv__> then again, I use a 2.6 kernel
[06:21] <ep> sun_, thanks, that's helpful
[06:21] <Deanodriver> the thing is, most new machines still use win32
[06:21] <gorth> dv__, so do I ;)
[06:22] <Saba_Z> Is there any way to make my intel I855M work with 3d support?
[06:22] <gorth> dv__, i just weird im the only one with the problem..
[06:22] <Funzo> onur: Why do you say that?
[06:22] <InquiringMind> is there a graphical backup utility out there for linux?
[06:22] <onur> mjr, of course but it is a simple cause and effect thing.
[06:22] <sun_> ep, you can also try "grep --color" shows the matching strings in color, very handy
[06:22] <mjr> besides, wine will undoubtedly be extended to win64
[06:22] <b0xen> Hey I'm a bit confused. I just installed ubuntu and at no time was I prompted to set a root password.
[06:22] <dv__> but I do think that building everything upon .net is a good idea
[06:22] <reka> onur: you do know that most businesses still run win2000? (iirc)
[06:22] <mjr> (the preliminaries are being done already)
[06:22] <teferi> b0xen: this is because you use sudo instead
[06:23] <b0xen> teferi: how do I restrict who can use sudo and who can't?
[06:23] <onur> reka, do you now they won't be able to install new Internet Explorer 7 and ms cut support to win2000
[06:23] <ep> cool
[06:23] <teferi> b0xen: man sudoers
[06:23] <reka> !root
[06:23] <ubotu> I guess root is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:23] <b0xen> k thx
[06:23] <Saba_Z> Is there any way to make my intel I855M work with 3d support?
[06:23] <dv__> my mighty secret plan: 1) build my TK 2) create .net bindings 3) ???? 4) profit!!!!
[06:23] <Ozziej> great, it worked.... if i only knew it was so simple :)
[06:24] <onur> at the end of next year new windows Longhorn will emerge. Longhorn will not support Win32 in core but it will emulate, just like current 16-bit mode
[06:24] <mjr> Saba_Z, see /var/log/Xorg.0.log for why it isn't using 3d acceleration; I seem to recall that you might have to set it to use 16-bit colors to enable it
[06:24] <onur> Or i should say Windows Vista. And in Windows Vista the core kernel will based on .NET so programs will be written on .NET
[06:25] <teferi> onur: except it won't...
[06:25] <teferi> onur: vista is NT5.5 or so
[06:25] <onur> As a linux you user you will go for Mono instead of Wine obviously so there won't be any need for Wine
[06:25] <dv__> Mono rocks
[06:25] <dv__> technically
[06:26] <dv__> I'm still confused by the ECMA license
[06:26] <onur> And altough I am a Java fan, Mono will rock out of every other for some time in not too distant future
[06:26] <dv__> onur, you know something else about the license of mono?
[06:26] <dv__> you know, the insecurities because on the patents
[06:27] <onur> I should say Mono / . NET
[06:27] <onur> dv__ what is the worst thing could happen on it
[06:27] <dv__> two scenarios:
[06:27] <spanglesontoast> what package do I need for playing .avi files?
[06:27] <dv__> a) MS invokes their patent claims
[06:27] <dv__> which should be prevented by ECMA
[06:28] <mjr> potential patent problems apply for any nontrivial development libraries
[06:28] <teferi> onur: vista is, incidentially, not emulating win32, it *is* win32. it's still nt. it supports avalon, but most of the OS sure as hell isn't written for .NET
[06:28] <dv__> but b) MS radically changes the .net libraries and specs in v2.0/3.0/ .....
[06:28] <onur> spanglesontoast, find the unoffical starters guide for ubuntu, everything you need written
[06:28] <dv__> and do NOT release it under RAND conditions
[06:28] <reka> spanglesontoast: w32codecs
[06:28] <onur> dv__, b-) always happens that is why i hate MS
[06:28] <spanglesontoast> it doesn't play .avi
[06:29] <spanglesontoast> in totem
[06:29] <InquiringMind> is there a backup utility for linux?
[06:29] <deFrysk> get totem-xine
[06:29] <dv__> b) is one major reason why many people abstain from mono
[06:29] <dv__> the other is a)
[06:29] <dv__> although a) seems to be safe, at least thats what the mono devs say
[06:30] <onur> what you claim is can not be denied but you will now Mono will rule in the new .NET era cause theres no othe choice
[06:30] <dazjorz> Back. I downloaded the DLL's that WINE needed, gonna check if it works now.
[06:30] <onur> sorry for my bad grammer
[06:30] <dv__> technically I think virtual environments like .net are necessary
[06:30] <dv__> and a step in the right direction
[06:30] <dazjorz> Jesus... 3 kbps
[06:30] <dv__> of course not for *everything*
[06:31] <onur> may be but I'll tell you smt
[06:31] <onur> At first we learnt win32 then came the MFC and win32 is thrown
[06:31] <reka> InquiringMind: more than one, iirc
[06:31] <dv__> yeah, then came winforsm
[06:31] <dv__> winforms
[06:31] <dv__> and this is soon going to be obsolete
[06:31] <dv__> once avalon arrives
[06:31] <onur> we leanred MFC, then came the VB and neighbours son became a better programmer then a pro programmer
[06:32] <teferi> shame. swf is nice.
[06:32] <teferi> honestly.
[06:32] <mjr> onur, MFC was on top of Win32, so nothing was thrown
[06:32] <dv__> onur, no he wasnt
[06:32] <onur> VB became the most popular language in the world (and sh.ttest) then came .NET and VB is thrown
[06:32] <dv__> the pro can pick up VB and easily outperform the son
[06:33] <Deanodriver> pfft
[06:33] <onur> now we learned .NET 1.2 and .NET 2.0 come and what we see. "Microsoft presents the new datagridview class", datagrid is thrown
[06:33] <Deanodriver> i learnt VB in high school, didn't use it since
[06:33] <dv__> onur, thats windows.forms, isnt it?
[06:33] <onur> that is .NET
[06:34] <dv__> no
[06:34] <dv__> the datagridview class
[06:34] <onur> yes
[06:34] <dv__> is part of windows forms
[06:34] <onur> yes
[06:34] <dv__> not the .net core itself
[06:34] <dv__> so no problem.
[06:34] <onur> well what is .NET
[06:34] <dv__> windows.forms is a propietary MS lib anyway
[06:34] <dv__> which mono is *not*
[06:34] <onur> if you buy the .NET library book published by .NET then you will see those namespaces and related classes
[06:35] <dv__> i dont mind if winforms changes a lot
[06:35] <dv__> as long as the core CLR spec changes are released under ECMA licenses
[06:35] <onur> they are implementing Windows.Forms to .NET
[06:35] <Spec> I am not a core CLR.
[06:35] <onur> and ASP.NET is already implemented to mono
[06:35] <dv__> still, windows forms is a *library* built with *.net*
[06:36] <dv__> you can use .net without it
[06:36] <kafeine> second that.
[06:36] <dv__> its not part of the clr spec
[06:36] <onur> define .NET that you use in the context
[06:36] <dv__> the CLR + the core libraries
[06:36] <Saba_Z> why doesnt smbfs s in fstab doesnt work,they dont get mounted?
[06:36] <dv__> all stuff which is covered by ECMA
[06:36] <dv__> and winforms is NOT a part of it
[06:37] <dv__> winforms is not ecma-licensed - this is crucial
[06:37] <kemik> Saba_Z: you've done something wrong then
[06:37] <dvhart> I am having trouble getting ubuntu to automount a PCMCIA CF card. The ide.opts file says it should receive 4 arguments in plugged in, but it only receives 3 (no partition) and instead of 3 on eject, it only receives 2. I have mounted it manually and it works fine. Anyone have any suggestions?
[06:37] <Saba_Z> should i paste the line?
[06:37] <kemik> Saba_Z: sure on pastebin
[06:37] <dv__> now, the main problem is that a winforms competitor is missing
[06:37] <dv__> gtk# works with mono only
[06:37] <onur> anyway, i am not trying to argue with you. You might be right, and say you are right. It is why i hate MS i was trying to tell
[06:37] <dv__> and gtk in windows is horrible
[06:38] <onur> Java has never such ocurrences
[06:38] <dv__> onur, yeah, got it
[06:38] <dv__> I'm suspicious too
[06:38] <kemik> dv__: have you used Glade and libglademm by any chance ?
[06:38] <daxuza> hello tous
[06:38] <dv__> thats why I never touched mono before
[06:38] <dv__> I did.
[06:38] <onur> it deprecates some stuff but, never throws rather than it matures
[06:38] <dv__> I prefer Qt.
[06:38] <onur> Qt does work with gnome ?
[06:38] <jacks> ime trieing to switch to linux but haveing big probs with the installing
[06:38] <kemik> Pega: pr0fessional film is all you need ;)
[06:38] <dv__> unless I work in windows
[06:38] <dv__> onur, of course
[06:39] <jacks> of programs
[06:39] <dv__> Qt stuff works in gnome
[06:39] <Pega> kemik, yup. ;D
[06:39] <Heijmen> jacks: which programs?
[06:39] <onur> but need the libraries
[06:39] <onur> to be run
[06:39] <jacks> enny programs
[06:39] <dv__> however, Qt has one serious problem: it is very very hard to create a .net binding
[06:39] <dv__> onur, yeah. just like I need gnome libs to run gnome stuff in KDE
[06:39] <kemik> dv__: how do i use QT in gnome ?
[06:40] <jacks> i ben on windows frum start now on linux
[06:40] <kemik> which libs do i need apt-ing ?
[06:40] <onur> but we are in the channel Ubuntu not Kubuntu :)
[06:40] <Heijmen> jacks: use synaptic, system->administration->synaptic package manager
[06:40] <dv__> kemik, I didnt mean to use Qt instead of GTK for gnome
[06:40] <Heijmen> !synaptic
[06:40] <ubotu> synaptic is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[06:40] <dv__> i meant Qt *Programs* running in gnome
[06:40] <kemik> aha
[06:40] <dv__> my IDE is qt-based
[06:40] <dv__> and I use it in gnome often
[06:40] <jacks> it all new to me mever had linux before so going throw big lurning cuve
[06:41] <onur> dv__, do they run in a fresh installed ubuntu ?
[06:41] <gregg_> gtk also so a bug problem: performance
[06:41] <dv__> I dont know.
[06:41] <dv__> dont have ubuntu yet.
[06:41] <gregg_> gtk also has a big problem: performance
[06:41] <jacks> ya i did fresh full install
[06:41] <onur> dv__, and why are you in this channel :) ?
[06:41] <dv__> I need to leech the iso tomorrow
[06:41] <rapha> ARGH
[06:41] <dv__> onur, because I asked things about ubuntu
[06:41] <rapha> It is impossible to download the Breezy CD through BitTorrent
[06:41] <dv__> that helped me deciding whether to take ubuntu or not
[06:42] <dv__> I'm going to
[06:42] <dv__> but not without an ISO :)
[06:42] <onur> dv__, don't be offended, I am just teasing
[06:42] <dv__> gregg, true.
[06:42] <lydon> can anyone tell me that website where you can paste code and then give away the URL for people to edit it?
[06:42] <dv__> *especially* in windows. ever seen xchat or gimp for windows?
[06:42] <gregg_> yeah
[06:42] <dv__> lydon, rafb.net/paste
[06:42] <Heijmen> jacks: also check http://ubuntuguide.org/
[06:42] <gregg_> pastebin.com
[06:42] <kemik> lydon: topic
[06:42] <dv__> thats why I use win32api GUI widgets in the win32 backend
[06:43] <dv__> gtk draws all stuff in windows itself, which is a bad idea.
[06:43] <onur> dv__, may i ask did you consider java as an option ?
[06:43] <Pega> Tho still having some problems with this stuff. Xine seems to halt always when I try to listen to mp3s with it, totem the movie player seems to have much difficulties in opening any of my pr0fessional movies, audacity can't do anything with audio (rofl) and xmms... it seems to halt every time I press play. :S
[06:43] <dv__> onur, in which context?
[06:43] <dv__> java/.net or java/my TK?
[06:43] <onur> dv__, for your cross platform GUI ?
[06:43] <dv__> no
[06:43] <dv__> because its totally in C/C++
[06:43] <kemik> java is, unfortunately, the slow
[06:43] <gregg_> swing has gotten pretty good
[06:43] <onur> kemik, no it is not
[06:44] <gregg_> kemik: well, not really
[06:44] <kemik> really? tell that to JFTP compared to GFTP
[06:44] <Pega> quicktime doesn't even start up and I don't know how to uninstall it. Add or remove aplications -thingy doesn't work...
[06:44] <lydon> kemik: sorry, but this is where I first found it... thanks
[06:44] <kemik> or any other graphical java-application
[06:44] <dv__> onur, but as I said, I'm considering a .net binding
[06:44] <dv__> since I am *not* happy with gtk# as the only cross-platform option
[06:44] <dv__> and Qt# is going to be a lot of work until its ready
[06:45] <onur> dv__, you know better for your project but since this is smt Crossplatform, Java might have eased your pain
[06:45] <Quest-Master> dv__: wx-sharp?
[06:45] <dv__> wxsharp exists?
[06:45] <Quest-Master> Yes, Google for it
[06:45] <gregg_> while gtk is pain on windows, wx is a pain on unix...
[06:45] <dv__> oh
[06:45] <dv__> now here is something I missed
[06:45] <dv__> :)
[06:45] <dv__> onur, yeah.
[06:45] <gregg_> kemik: jedit is quite responsive
[06:45] <dv__> but its no fun to do huge bindings just for one app
[06:46] <dv__> especially templates
[06:46] <dv__> try to bind templates to java code with the JNI
[06:46] <dv__> :)
[06:46] <karlwrk> there's wx-mono, which is more useful than wxsharp would be
[06:46] <kemik> gregg_: thats a texteditor.. try a huge program with a gui
[06:46] <kemik> gregg_: and startuptimes in java is a pain aswell ;)
[06:46] <dv__> wxmono is useful in visual studio.net as well?
[06:46] <gregg_> kemik: I consider jedit huge, especially with a couple of plugins
[06:47] <kemik> gregg_: although, java is great - crossplatfrom and easy to code
[06:47] <gregg_> kemik: about 5 seconds
[06:47] <karlwrk> dv: not sure, it was very very rough around the edges last I played with it,
[06:47] <gregg_> and this is a friggin slow box here :)
[06:47] <karlwrk> but you did get a single binary that you could run in both places
[06:47] <onur> consider eclipse, conside Jbuilder and similar progs they are not slow (not very fast in GUIwise neither)
[06:48] <kemik> onur: i dont consider eclipse very fast no.. (and i've used it alot)
[06:48] <karlwrk> toolkit choices for cross platform work still suck in my opinion
[06:48] <teferi> it's rather pleasant to use if you have a grunty enough machine, though
[06:48] <onur> and for the console based, Java is close to C++ performance
[06:48] <teferi> (eclipse)
[06:48] <teferi> it's a great IDE
[06:48] <kemik> teferi: indeed it is
[06:48] <LOQUiLLO_> hello friends, I need a litle help
[06:48] <dv__> karlwrk, maybe my tk doesnt :)
[06:48] <kemik> only used eclipse for java development tho...
[06:48] <dv__> at least I hope that
[06:48] <teferi> me too
[06:48] <teferi> it's really nice for that
[06:48] <jacks> ennyone got a sit i can go to fore walkthrow on doing installs of programs i never had linux before
[06:49] <teferi> the whole compile code as you write it thing is a blessing
[06:49] <karlwrk> my tk being "my tk" (tm) or your tk? or just tk?
[06:49] <kemik> gonna try configuring the CDT and dev. some c/c++ init
[06:49] <jacks> and wont to set it up as a server
[06:49] <dv__> btw, how is monodevelop
[06:49] <karlwrk> do you mean anything other than standard vanilla tk?
[06:49] <dv__> karlwrk, the second
[06:49] <LOQUiLLO_> I wanna install Opera, but I have this error: Reading package lists... Done
[06:49] <LOQUiLLO_> Building dependency tree... Done
[06:49] <LOQUiLLO_> E: Couldn't find package opera-static_8.02-20050727.1-qt_en_i386.deb
[06:49] <dv__> my gui lib
[06:49] <dv__> or whatever
[06:49] <karlwrk> yatk ;)
[06:49] <dv__> exactly
[06:49] <onur> anyway I am out bye
[06:49] <dv__> I wanted to use Qt4
[06:50] <dv__> but its a mess in windows
[06:50] <gregg_> LOQUiLLO_: you'll want to easy dpkg -i instead of apt-get
[06:50] <karlwrk> may I ask what your design goals are?
[06:50] <gregg_> s/easy/use/ (wtf)
[06:50] <dv__> the opensource edition has to be heavily patched in visual studio
[06:50] <dv__> -in +for
[06:50] <LOQUiLLO_> oh! thanks
[06:50] <dv__> and still doesnt work reliably
[06:50] <dv__> karlwrk, easy API, native widget use (if possible), small size
[06:50] <hans_> is there a program like daemon tools for ubuntu?
[06:51] <dv__> it doesnt try to have a wxWidgets-like featureset
[06:51] <karlwrk> what's the difference between you and wx then?
[06:51] <karlwrk> ahh.
[06:51] <dv__> which is, well, quite insane :)
[06:51] <karlwrk> yeah, wx could really stand do drop a lot of cruft
[06:51] <dv__> right now the code fits 3 times in a floppy idsk
[06:51] <karlwrk> I like the idea of wx,
[06:51] <dv__> disk
[06:51] <dv__> and already has event handling and about 20 widgets
[06:51] <karlwrk> but there are things that just don't need to be there.
[06:51] <dv__> and layout mechanisms etc.
[06:51] <jacks> brb
[06:52] <dArtagnan> Any idea with which command/hotkey I can display my menubar in xchat again, the menubar is gone
[06:52] <Nariman> hello
[06:52] <dv__> karlwrk, if you are a gtk crack, then feel invited to do a gtk backend :D
[06:52] <Nariman> i need some help installing xmms
[06:52] <dv__> gtk is simply too cryptic for me.
[06:52] <Deanodriver> bed time
[06:52] <Deanodriver> night
[06:52] <dv__> I can deal with win32 pretty well, but *not* with gtk+
[06:53] <gregg_> dv__: cryptic?
[06:53] <dv__> yeah
[06:53] <gregg_> could you explain that a little bit more?
[06:54] <dv__> well, the way of handling the widgets it totally unfamiliar
[06:54] <karlwrk> gtk is a pig
[06:54] <karlwrk> I hate how quirky my wxapps behave on gtk
[06:54] <gregg_> the gtk port of wx is teh crap
[06:54] <karlwrk> gtk file dialogs at least
[06:54] <Nariman> hello? cane some one help me?
[06:54] <dv__> thats why I started a qt backend
[06:54] <karlwrk> no, we're too busy off topic :)
[06:54] <dv__> since I am familiar with qt
[06:55] <karlwrk> yeah, but qt apps on gnome look ugly as sin as well :(
[06:55] <dv__> yeah.
[06:55] <karlwrk> and qt has such an unfriendly licensing scheme
[06:55] <dv__> but its not as if I had a lot of options..
[06:55] <karlwrk> lose lose lose situation :(
[06:55] <Kyral> Nariman, sudo apt-get install xmms
[06:55] <gregg_> and there's no decent GUI designer for wx
[06:55] <Nariman> thanx
[06:55] <karlwrk> much easier to just target one platform, unfortunately :(
[06:55] <dv__> yes, thats why I actually wanted to do a gtk backend
[06:55] <jasoncohen> Kyral, why not beep-media-player?
[06:55] <dv__> oh, the cross-platform issue isnt a problem
[06:55] <Kyral> because he asked for XMMS and I was about to suggest Beep
[06:55] <dv__> this works well
[06:55] <LOQUiLLO_> gregg_: thanks
[06:55] <karlwrk> (beep won't let you doublesize, and is just a buggy, but pretty version of xmms)
[06:56] <Nariman> it says that xmms in not available :(
[06:56] <dv__> I dont use xmms much anymore. I rely on mpd & ncmpc & glurp today
[06:56] <gregg_> karlwrk, and many plugins aren't available for beep
[06:56] <Nariman> ok, how do i install glurp?
[06:57] <Nariman> and is it good?
[06:57] <dv__> Nariman, first:
[06:57] <dv__> glurp is a client.
[06:57] <dv__> mpd is a music player daemon
[06:57] <InquiringMind> where can i get the linux ums firmware for my iriver ifp 895?
[06:57] <ubuntu_> im new
[06:57] <dv__> it plays stuff in the background
[06:57] <karlwrk> and ncmpc?
[06:57] <dv__> and you can control it using clients like glurp
[06:57] <dv__> ncmpc is a client as well
[06:57] <karlwrk> new cool music player client
[06:57] <dv__> but using ncurses instead of gtk
[06:57] <Kyral> Nariman, did you enable the Universe and Multiverse?
[06:57] <richard> I just installed Ubuntu Hoary and I am getting 403 errors trying to update. What do I do?
[06:57] <dv__> the nice thing about mpd is that it runs even if X crashes
[06:58] <richard> Any idea how to fix this?
[06:58] <karlwrk> x shouldn't crash
[06:58] <dv__> in theory
[06:58] <karlwrk> and if it crashes, I generally don't care about my music anymore :)
[06:58] <drcode> hi all
[06:58] <dv__> in theory, I should be rich
[06:58] <dv__> :)
[06:58] <LOQUiLLO_> richard: maybe your cd is bad
[06:58] <drcode> with vncviewer there is menu , how can I get to this menu?
[06:58] <hubsi> hello, i have one problem. i don't hear sound. all controlers for sound are on maximum, and i don't know what to do. but if i want to disable/enable "tone" the program crashs
[06:58] <richard> the install went perfectly, this is trying to install security updates etc.
[06:59] <Kyral> richard, did you delete the "us." from the sources.list?
[06:59] <richard> no, I didnt try that
[06:59] <InquiringMind> where can i get the linux ums firmware for my iriver ifp 895?
[07:00] <InquiringMind> oops sry spammed ;(
[07:01] <fredforfaen> hey peeps
[07:01] <fredforfaen> whats up?
[07:02] <LOQUiLLO_> richard: you need check you sources.list
[07:02] <LOQUiLLO_> comment E: ......
[07:02] <LOQUiLLO_> type #E: ....
[07:02] <hubsi> hello, i have one problem. i don't hear sound. all controlers for sound are on maximum, and i don't know what to do. but if i want to disable/enable "tone" the program crashs
[07:02] <Goodspeed> how do i remove a folder i dont have permission to
[07:02] <Goodspeed> ?
[07:02] <hubsi> Goodspeed, root, rm -R
[07:03] <Goodspeed> hubsi go to system/prefs and check the multimedia test
[07:03] <djp> Goodspeed: sudo rm -R
[07:03] <richard> Ok i took out the us in the sources list but still made no difference.
[07:04] <Goodspeed> should i install wine from the way they say to at winehq or use the ones from universe?
[07:04] <richard> I get W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary-updates_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[07:05] <Amd_> umm. the system says root password is wrong although i am sure that it isn't. how can i fix this / why isn't it accepting it?
[07:06] <Goodspeed> what version of wine should i get??
[07:06] <dArtagnan> the latest? (nah, too obvious :P)
[07:07] <mjr> Goodspeed, the one that's prepackaged at first?
[07:07] <Goodspeed> well when i download either of them the one on synaptic and the one from sourceforge there's no config file in .wine
[07:07] <oonoon> i installed ndiswrapper on amd64, got a IPN2220 wifi card ; everything seems to work (driver and hardware present for ndiswrapper) and yet, wlan doesnt appear in the Network menu...
[07:07] <mjr> oonoon, a 64-bit windows driver?
[07:08] <jacks> ime lost with the installing
[07:08] <oonoon> mjr > not sure, suppose it is 32 bits driver
[07:08] <jacks> is thear a good book i can get
[07:08] <njean> hey all
[07:08] <sidnei> X still broken?
[07:09] <njean> I need some help :(
[07:09] <mjr> oonoon, if you're running a 64-bit kernel on your box, you can't use 32-bit windows drivers via ndiswrapper
[07:09] <mastaYoda> Hi
[07:09] <mastaYoda> Any developer there?
[07:09] <mjr> oonoon, 'course, if you run a 32-bit kernel, things are different
[07:09] <Coss> Hey when i download ubuntu i download the .iso file, is it just to burn that file on a cd and boot?
[07:09] <oonoon> mjr > i agree, but im surprised there's no error msgs...
[07:09] <njean> why I can't hear any sound except system sounds like the ubuntu drums?
[07:09] <dv__> is mpg123 for ubuntu available?
[07:09] <dv__> and the xmms plugin of it?
[07:10] <Choubaka> yes.
[07:10] <Choubaka> maybe in universe.
[07:10] <oonoon> mjr > i run a 64-bit kernel
[07:10] <dv__> good. how does one add "universe" to the sources list in ubuntu?
[07:10] <dv__> /etc/sources.list seems to be empty
[07:10] <njean> can anybody please help me with sounds please? I don't know where to crash my head :(
[07:10] <Choubaka> well, of course
[07:10] <MadForest> help: Trying to install on laptop which will NOT boot to CD; trying to use loadlin. Anyone here familar with this process?
[07:11] <oonoon> mjr > isnt that weird that ndiswrapper detects the hardware anyway ?
[07:11] <Choubaka> since it's /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:11] <Determinist> guys, chould you try and reach deterport.ath.cx from your browser and tell me if my webserver works?
[07:11] <dv__> doh :o)
[07:11] <Coss> Hey when i download ubuntu i download the .iso file, is it just to burn that file on a cd and boot? Please someone answer
[07:11] <dv__> and where is "universe"?
[07:11] <mjr> oonoon, right, then if the driver is 32-bit, no go. Naughty of it not to give a proper error. And no, detecting the hardware is easy; just try lspci.
[07:11] <MadForest> coss: yes, that's basically right. Make sure your bios is set to boot to CD
[07:11] <dv__> is it a branch, like main and non-free in debian?
[07:11] <Choubaka> yes.
[07:11] <dv__> k
[07:11] <neighborlee> is memtest86 reliable enough to believe its giving accurate info...it is showing some bad ram but I want to be SURE before I get more ram..???
[07:11] <djp> Coss: use the iso to burn yo CD. then bott with said CD
[07:11] <Coss> MadForest, thankyou for the answer, yes i have :)
[07:11] <Choubaka> universe enables unsupported packages
[07:12] <Amd_> Why didn't Ubuntu install Synaptic?
[07:12] <Coss> djp huh?
[07:12] <oonoon> mjr > so , i must conclude that there's a prob with the driver itself ... ?
[07:12] <njean> why I can't hear any sound except system sounds like the ubuntu drums? please help :(
[07:12] <Choubaka> and multiverse enables nonfree
[07:12] <Amd_> HOW CAN I INSTALL SYNAPTIC?
[07:12] <njean> sudo apt-get install synaptic ?
[07:12] <Determinist> Amd_, apt-get install synaptic
[07:12] <mjr> oonoon, no, as I said, if it's a 32-bit driver, it's just incompatible with your 64-bit kernel, and you can't use it
[07:12] <djp> Coss: use the iso you downloaded to burn a CD, then boot from said CD. Then follow the prompts
[07:12] <MadForest> help: Trying to install on laptop which will NOT boot to CD; trying to use loadlin. Anyone here familar with this process?
[07:13] <djp> Amd_: synaptic is installed by default
[07:13] <oonoon> mjr > yeah , i understand that, so it is possible for the driver to be incompatible and to show no error msgs; damn
[07:13] <njean> why I can't hear any sound except system sounds like the ubuntu drums? please help :(
[07:13] <Goodspeed> ./configure && make && make install && ldconfig
[07:13] <dv__> njean, ubuntu or kubuntu?
[07:13] <mjr> oonoon, it's not the job of the driver to give errors, it's ndiswrapper's
[07:13] <njean> ubuntu, dv
[07:13] <Goodspeed> you use that command to install any tar file right?
[07:13] <dv__> could be arts blocking stuff
[07:13] <dv__> ah
[07:13] <oonoon> mjr > ok, thanks for your help
[07:13] <mjr> (in this case)
[07:13] <patrick__> hi
[07:14] <Amd_> djp: well it isn't on KDE's "administration" menu
[07:14] <njean> I really dont know what to do..
[07:14] <patrick__> has someone a good sources.list
[07:14] <MadForest> ANYONE?: Trying to install on laptop which will NOT boot to CD; trying to use loadlin. Anyone here familar with this process?
[07:14] <djp> Amd_: sorry, referring to the default install which is gnome
[07:15] <patrick__> which the latest kde- and gnomedesktop environment?
[07:15] <f_newton> loadlin eh?
[07:15] <dv__> njean, fire up an xterm
[07:15] <dv__> and type ps -e
[07:15] <dv__> look for mplayer, xine, artsd...
[07:15] <Choubaka> Amd_: for KDE you need kynaptic
[07:16] <patrick__> no
[07:16] <patrick__> synaptic does that job as well
[07:16] <patrick__> ^
[07:16] <patrick__> u simply have to add kde strings
[07:16] <Choubaka> Well, it's still gnome.
[07:16] <patrick__> to the sources.list
[07:16] <Choubaka> :P
[07:16] <Choubaka> for KDE you _should_ use kynaptic.
[07:16] <Choubaka> because it's a QT app, whereas synaptic is not
[07:16] <patrick__> its a less comfortable synaptic rpelacement
[07:17] <{linuxcraker] > madforest, check your bios to make it boot from cd
[07:17] <patrick__> why should i use Kynaptic if synatic does the better job?
[07:17] <MadForest> linuxcraker; thanks, of course I checked that. no new bios available either
[07:17] <patrick__> Choubaka, why is that important?
[07:17] <Goodspeed> where's the wine forum?
[07:17] <Frafra> hi all
[07:17] <patrick__> Goodspeed, isnt wine now called cedega?
[07:17] <{linuxcraker] > and you can't enable it?
[07:17] <Choubaka> no.
[07:17] <Goodspeed> i dont want to pay for windows when i already own it
[07:17] <Choubaka> patrick__: because Gnome apps will have to load Gnome libraties.
[07:17] <Frafra> ppracer give me this error: Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed) <= why?
[07:18] <Choubaka> Frafra: Hard to say
[07:18] <patrick__> Choubaka, i didnt even noticed a speed drop
[07:18] <patrick__> 1gb ram
[07:18] <patrick__> amd64 cpu
[07:18] <Choubaka> patrick__: but it takes a longer time to load
[07:18] <patrick__> not really
[07:18] <Choubaka> AND not everyone has such a monster for a desktop
[07:18] <Frafra> Choubaka: i need some libraries?
[07:18] <Choubaka> :P
[07:18] <Choubaka> Frafra: no.
[07:18] <Amd_> how can i locate kynaptic installed packages???
[07:18] <Choubaka> Frafra: The program has a bug.
[07:18] <dv__> is it safe to call apt-get update in ubuntu?
[07:19] <Choubaka> dv__: yes.
[07:19] <dv__> good.
[07:19] <dv__> for instance, to get the universe stuff
[07:19] <patrick__> well.. if osmeone would share his special kde and gnome desktop sources list
[07:19] <Choubaka> In fact, it's required if you want to keep the system maintained :P
[07:19] <patrick__> it would save time
[07:19] <patrick__> coze we have the same probleme Amd_
[07:19] <patrick__> clean install and a lack of good osurces ;)
[07:19] <Choubaka> Good sources?
[07:19] <patrick__> ya... e.g. some bookmarks in pastebin
[07:19] <{linuxcraker] > why cant i change song names in xmms?
[07:19] <Choubaka> what do you need that's not in Ubuntu's repositories?
[07:20] <patrick__> i simply could copy
[07:20] <f_newton> hmm i thought lilo was pretty much dead
[07:20] <djp> patrick__: just add the universe repo. that should be all you need...
[07:20] <patrick__> deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342 hoary-updates main <--- that e.g
[07:20] <Choubaka> aha. :P
[07:21] <patrick__> Choubaka, do u have kde as well
[07:21] <Choubaka> no
[07:21] <patrick__> i need a complete sources list for any life situations
[07:21] <djp> patrick__: you should check out #kubuntu
[07:21] <patrick__> djp, not yet
[07:22] <patrick__> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/527 <-- missing there something?
[07:22] <Pega> Hey. If I find a program/game that I want to install and binaries are only available for other distros (fedora core 3 in this situation) can I use them anyways?
[07:23] <{linuxcraker] > why not
[07:24] <Pega> I dunno. Just tough that there were diffrent binaries for diffrent versions for some reason. :D
[07:24] <Kyral> Pega, if they are RPMs you will have to run them through alien first
[07:24] <neighborlee> is memtest86 reliable enough to believe its giving accurate info...it is showing some bad ram but I want to be SURE before I get more ram..???
[07:24] <Pega> ok
[07:24] <patrick__> btw. can i modify grup to boot windows automatically
[07:24] <Kyral> if it is a sourceball, I would check Apt first to see if you can avoid compiling it
[07:25] <CarlFK> neighborlee - I can't imagine it giving a false negative
[07:25] <f_newton> neighborlee, are you experiencing problems with system operations?
[07:25] <neighborlee> I sure am
[07:25] <Kyral> and if its a DEB just do sudo dpkg -i <filename>
[07:25] <neighborlee> mostly in linux...windows rarely if ever crashes
[07:25] <f_newton> that would be a second opinion then
[07:25] <neighborlee> however doNOT take that as me liking windows better..OH contraire
[07:26] <neighborlee> f_newton, yes..I get the weird dektop lockups that others also are seeing in gnome
[07:26] <neighborlee> f_newton, but not others are seeing it of course..so I guess in my case at least bad ram is indeed a culrprit
[07:26] <djp> is the lock up occuring under hoary or breezy?
[07:26] <neighborlee> hoary
[07:27] <neighborlee> djp, so you know..I h ave that darn rambus .got it with my dell computer few years ago
[07:27] <patrick__> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/976
[07:27] <f_newton> neighborlee, weird lockups in gnome? have you checked your logs?
[07:27] <patrick__> any thing to add there?
[07:27] <neighborlee> f_newton, several times
[07:27] <neighborlee> f_newton, nothing useable or enlightening
[07:28] <Nariman> can someone help me install wine??
[07:28] <f_newton> memory scheduling and allocation would be my first guess... I would also check to see if threadcalls were being ignored...another possible memory culprit
[07:28] <neighborlee> but if ram is causing this,,is it really going to show up anywhere in a log ??
[07:28] <f_newton> it should explain that a threadcall was halted or unacted on
[07:28] <reka> patrick__: you can tell grub to boot windows automatically by editing /boot/grub/menu.lst and changing the 'default' value
[07:28] <neighborlee> f_newton, hmm interesting..what log should show me this culprit
[07:29] <Choubaka> neighborlee: Have you run memtest?
[07:29] <f_newton> does the kernel do a syslog anymore y'all?
[07:29] <neighborlee> Choubaka, yes
[07:30] <neighborlee> Choubaka, the bottom section does indeed show some bad sectors..I just wanted to be sure memtest was reliable before I coughed up for different ram
[07:30] <Choubaka> neighborlee: google for "badram"
[07:30] <f_newton> neighborlee, two questions 1. is this a laptop 2. is it bargain ram?
[07:30] <neighborlee> f_newton, heh
[07:31] <f_newton> of course laptop ram is no bargain...
[07:31] <Choubaka> neighborlee: badram may be a workaround until you can get new ram
[07:31] <neighborlee> f_newton, not laptop..and it is not bargain ram..it is this..rambus stuff that came with my dell dimension 8200 system
[07:31] <f_newton> rambus?
[07:31] <neighborlee> Choubaka, hmm interesting..thank you I will look into it...
[07:31] <f_newton> hmmm is that stuff still around?
[07:31] <neighborlee> f_newton, yes
[07:31] <neighborlee> f_newton, ONLY from dell faik
[07:31] <neighborlee> which means PRICEY im relatively sure LOL
[07:32] <f_newton> yes rambus is high dollar
[07:32] <neighborlee> and I dont really want to go there..might just have to g et new puter altogether
[07:32] <f_newton> mucho elcosto alot-o
[07:32] <neighborlee> LOL
[07:32] <ep> Is this channel archived somewhere?
[07:32] <paul__> nbmnbmnb
[07:32] <Choubaka> ep: I have logs. :P
[07:32] <f_newton> neighborlee, well if worse comes to worse you can buy a new system n send the old one to ME
[07:32] <f_newton> lol
[07:33] <neighborlee> heh
[07:33] <f_newton> ram bus isnt THAT high
[07:33] <neighborlee> you guys/gals ? are the best
[07:33] <neighborlee> cute room I will say that..laugher rules!! ( glad RTFM is gone)
[07:33] <neighborlee> bbl after work day
[07:33] <neighborlee> meep meep >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
[07:33] <f_newton> Choubaka, arent there syslogs showing stop errors ?
[07:34] <patrick__> reka, thx. i will try it :)
[07:34] <ep> Choubaka, great grep 'ep' and paste em :)
[07:34] <Choubaka> ep: eh.
[07:34] <f_newton> neighborlee is another convert from fedora
[07:35] <Choubaka> I won't paste them, but I can send them to you
[07:35] <Choubaka> ep: though, you realise "ep" is probably a common two-letter combo in sentences?
[07:35] <root> hi all
[07:35] <ep> how about 'ep:'
[07:36] <Choubaka> I'll try that
[07:36] <ep> for today
[07:36] <root> hi all
[07:37] <Kyral> hello
[07:37] <dv__> or <ep>
[07:38] <redtech> hello root
[07:38] <dv__> a root in here?
[07:38] <redtech> tsk tsk
[07:38] <dv__> gimme your ip...
[07:38] <dv__> :P
[07:39] <Choubaka> ep: http://ihme.org/~choubaka/ep.log.bz2
[07:39] <Kyral> lol
[07:39] <Kyral> !lart dv__
[07:39] <ep> thanks!
[07:39] <Choubaka> ep: that'll only have stuff said to you, though.
[07:39] <dv__> go on
[07:39] <Nariman> :(:( can some one help me install wine??
[07:39] <dv__> I can rename myself to dv___
[07:39] <dv__> :)
[07:40] <Kyral> root: It ain't a good idea to run XChat as root user
[07:40] <dv__> it aint a good idea to be in the internet as root user
[07:40] <Kyral> true
[07:40] <dv__> unless you have to install stuff
[07:40] <reka> lart?
[07:41] <Kyral> last I knew, XChat yelled at you for running it as root
[07:41] <sun> anyone know how to install ALSA 1.0.8 in ubuntu?
[07:41] <mjr> sun, isn't it installed by default?
[07:41] <Nariman> anyone know how to install Wine
[07:41] <Kyral> what version does it run now?
[07:41] <Choubaka> What's the in-kernel version?
[07:41] <Kyral> Nariman: sudo apt-get install wine?
[07:41] <Choubaka> Nariman: sudo aptitude install wine
[07:41] <redtech> Nariman: sudo apt-get install wine
[07:41] <redtech> heh
[07:41] <sun> mjr, that's what i thought, but version 1.0.6 comes with ubuntu; not version 1.0.8
[07:41] <Nariman> is it so simple??
[07:41] <root> if I have console that open , how can I close it from remote client?
[07:41] <root> only by reset?
[07:42] <dv__> should be
[07:42] <redtech> Nariman: that it is
[07:42] <Kyral> yes Nariman
[07:42] <Choubaka> sun: Do you need version 1.0.8 for something?
[07:42] <root> I mean reboot?
[07:42] <dv__> unless someone moved it away because of licensing problems
[07:42] <dv__> then things get ugly
[07:42] <Choubaka> sun: It'll be troublesome to install since it's kernel-space
[07:42] <sun> Choubaka, yes to get my audigy 2 value working
[07:42] <Kyral> Nariman, most of the software installs easy :D
[07:42] <coreyo> has anyone had luck using suspend-to-ram/sleep with an sata controller ... namely the piix sata controller?
[07:42] <Nariman> Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[07:42] <dv__> sun, kernel 2.6 has alsa built-in
[07:42] <Nariman> easy huh? :)
[07:42] <Choubaka> Nariman: use sudo.
[07:42] <Kyral> yah
[07:42] <Nariman> adn that means?
[07:42] <Kyral> sudo!
[07:42] <sun> dv__, correct but it's using alsa 1.0.6, not 1.0.8
[07:43] <ep> Choubaka, I see, weird I was in here about 2 hours ago and got some advise using find and grep. Those tells are missing from the logs. Maybe an hour ago.
[07:43] <dv__> Nariman, are you running apt already?
[07:43] <dv__> installing something?
[07:43] <Choubaka> Nariman: "sudo apt-get install wine"
[07:43] <Choubaka> :P
[07:43] <Choubaka> oh, yeah.
[07:43] <sun> alsa 1.0.6 doesn't support soundblaster audigy 2
[07:43] <dv__> he's logged as root already
[07:43] <ep> no big deal, thanks for trying
[07:43] <dv__> no need for sudo
[07:43] <Choubaka> Are you running synaptic?
[07:43] <Elrohir> quick question: how to install new fonts on Hoary and where to find them?
[07:43] <Elrohir> and btw, does Hoary support ttf?
[07:43] <Nariman> wtf, same thing
[07:43] <patrick__> do i have to uncomment deb-src entries as well?
[07:44] <Pega> Umm. I installed nethack from synaptic... I think. It did install, but where does it install stuff? atleast applications -> games doesn't show it.
[07:44] <reka> Elrohir: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FontInstallHowto
[07:44] <sun> Choubaka, will i have to compile stuff?
[07:44] <Choubaka> Pega: it probably doesn't create proper gnome menu entries.
[07:44] <Elrohir> thnk you...
[07:44] <Choubaka> sun: yes.
[07:44] <dv__> Pega, try calling it from the console
[07:45] <Pega> How. Will I tjust try something like nethack as a command? xD
[07:45] <Choubaka> yes.
[07:45] <dv__> just type "nethack"
[07:45] <Pega> oh
[07:45] <Pega> :D
[07:45] <dv__> its funny-looking, yeah :)
[07:45] <sun> Choubaka, it's weird; synaptic says i have alsa 1.0.8 but when i cat /proc/asound/version it says 1.0.6
[07:45] <Pega> oh
[07:45] <Pega> it worked
[07:45] <Choubaka> sun: you downloaded the modules?
[07:45] <Pega> thx
[07:45] <Choubaka> sun: or wtf?
[07:45] <dv__> sun, yes, the KERNEL alsa is 1.0.6,
[07:45] <dv__> and this is the active one
[07:46] <reka> Pega: this your 1st linux distro?
[07:46] <dv__> the non-kernel 1.0.8 is ignored
[07:46] <sun> oh
[07:46] <dv__> at least thats what I suspect
[07:46] <sun> how do i tell the system to use the non-kernel 1.0.8?
[07:46] <dv__> this I dunno.
[07:47] <dv__> but it would be better to patch the kernel I think.
[07:47] <dv__> are there alsa kernel patches?
[07:47] <Elrohir> does Hoary support TrueType fonts?
[07:47] <sJaM> alsa is no kernel patch
[07:47] <sJaM> I thought
[07:47] <Pega> reka, kinda. I used Linux before I used windows (like... when I was 8 years old), but this is my first time from the time that I remember anything about.
[07:47] <wilhelm> how can i install Tcl/Tk 8.3 ??
[07:48] <root> I login as regular user
[07:48] <root> I can see what users login and shutdown
[07:48] <reka> Pega: geez, that was an early start. :)
[07:48] <sun> i know alsa 1.0.8 works with my card because that's what i was using in FC4
[07:49] <wahlau> re
[07:49] <wahlau> any have experience usign hoary with realplayer to play rmvb?
[07:49] <wahlau> !realplay
[07:49] <ubotu> wahlau: Are you smoking crack?
[07:49] <sun> know any place i can get testing kernel builds?
[07:49] <wahlau> !realplayer
[07:49] <ubotu> No idea, wahlau
[07:49] <wilhelm> how can i install Tcl/Tk 8.3 ?? help plz
[07:49] <Elrohir> does Hoary support TrueType fonts?
[07:50] <wahlau> wilhelm: have you tried using synaptic?
[07:50] <Pega> reka, yeah, my father thought that "why to teach that lil fella to use some crappy and expensive software isntead of this one that I use myself?"... Not sure why I changedf to windows later, but it just happened. :(
[07:50] <dv__> the games, maybe?
[07:50] <wilhelm> i dont know how to do this
[07:50] <Hackmo> Hey all, firefox just crashed on me and I closed it using the red cross you can add the the pannel
[07:50] <wilhelm> how i use synaptic?
[07:50] <Hackmo> now when I try to start it, it asks me to select a profile but when I do it says that it's already in use
[07:50] <sJaM> wilhelm, sudo apt-get install tcl8.3 tk8.3
[07:50] <Hackmo> any ideas on how to sort it?
[07:50] <recover> ubuntuforums.org is down?
[07:51] <reka> recover: seems to be
[07:51] <reka> Hackmo: do you have multiple profiles?
[07:51] <Hackmo> yeah two, but only because I had this problem before and I needed to resort to making a new profile
[07:52] <Hackmo> there was a command someone told me to type "killall something" which helped, killall firefox doesn't seem to be working though
[07:53] <dv__> OMG
[07:53] <dv__> 2794 MB
[07:53] <dv__> for the dvd iso
[07:53] <Elrohir> does Hoary support TrueType fonts?
[07:53] <dv__> Elerosse, yes
[07:53] <dv__> uh
[07:53] <dv__> Elrohir, yes
[07:54] <reka> Hackmo: might help: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_in_use
[07:54] <Elrohir> thanx...
[07:54] <weejamer> can anyone help me with mounting drive problems
[07:54] <wahlau> and rmvb?
[07:54] <wahlau> :D
[07:54] <Hackmo> reka: thanks
[07:54] <wahlau> weejamer: shoot?
[07:54] <dArtagnan> Hackmo, there is a tool to kill apps
[07:54] <Hackmo> reka: I just realised that I can't get to that link because I can't use firefox
[07:54] <weejamer> i have some Fat drives that wont mount and i don;t know why
[07:54] <dArtagnan> like the windows task manager
[07:55] <Hackmo> dArtagnan: yeah that's what caused this problem
[07:55] <wahlau> weejamer: wat fat?
[07:55] <wahlau> ntfs?
[07:55] <weejamer> fat 32
[07:55] <wahlau> FAT32?
[07:55] <wahlau> funny
[07:55] <wahlau> works for me
[07:55] <rgould> Anyone recommend any good XML viewing/editing tools for Ubuntu?
[07:55] <reka> Hackmo: lol
[07:55] <dv__> rgould, nedit
[07:55] <dv__> :)
[07:55] <dArtagnan> Hackmo, system monitor
[07:55] <wahlau> what does the error message says?
[07:55] <wahlau> /var/log/message ?
[07:55] <sun> can anyone help me install alsa-source package into the kernel?
[07:55] <Chaotic_Reality> anyone had any trouble with ubuntu randomly shutting down their pc? i have a laptop, and after installing it a few months ago i had this issue. i tried it again yesterday and it is still doing it. the /var/log/messages really doesn't show anything useful around the time it happens...it typically happens within an hour of inactivity
[07:55] <wahlau> s/message/messages
[07:55] <patrick__> does someone have a good deb source for the latest openoffice beta?
[07:56] <weejamer> mount /dev/hda2
[07:56] <weejamer> mount: can't find /dev/hda2 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[07:56] <dArtagnan> patrick__, tried openoffice.org? :P
[07:56] <reka> Hackmo: it basically says firefox probably didn't shut down properly, so your profile is locked
[07:56] <patrick__> a deb source would be nice :)
[07:56] <Hackmo> dArtagnan, reka: thanks i've got it now, I needed to do killall firefox-bin instead of killall firefox :)
[07:57] <dv__> I want to know why firefox is so much slower in X11 than in windows sometimes
[07:57] <sun> any kernel hackers here?
[07:57] <dArtagnan> patrick__, http://people.debian.org/~halls/openoffice/source/
[07:58] <dArtagnan> try this one
[07:58] <sun> i'm trying to install alsa-source package into the kernel? please help :)
[07:58] <weejamer> guess you don;t know wahlau
[07:58] <dArtagnan> don't know if that is the correct url, ubuntu forums aren't working
[07:59] <reka> i was gonna say to try this:
[07:59] <reka> !alsa
[07:59] <ubotu> hmm... alsa is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[07:59] <reka> heh, double link
[07:59] <sun> lol i opened both
[07:59] <reka> ubotu: alsa is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[07:59] <ubotu> ...but alsa is already something else...
[07:59] <reka> ubotu: forget alsa
[07:59] <ubotu> i forgot alsa, reka
[07:59] <reka> ubotu: alsa is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[08:00] <weejamer> can anyone help me with mounting windows partitions (newbie to linux)
[08:00] <wilhelm> ./tibiawish: error while loading shared libraries: libtk8.3.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory <<what should i do??>>
[08:00] <reka> !mount
[08:00] <ubotu> methinks mount is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[08:00] <reka> weejamer: there you go
[08:01] <Quest-Master> dv__: for me, all apps. load slower than on Windows
[08:01] <rgould> dv__, thanks
[08:01] <reka> Quest-Master: what's your system?
[08:01] <sun> is ubotu a robot?
[08:01] <dv__> rgould, actually that wasnt meant seriously :)
[08:01] <dv__> but ok, nedit *is* a cool editor
[08:01] <rgould> dv__, heh, well, it loaded the xml file that firefox couldn't :)
[08:01] <weejamer> thanx *reading*
[08:01] <dv__> well, yeah
[08:01] <_Di42lo> my xorg doesnt start...because of missing fonts...(the directory share/X11/fonts is empty) what should i do ?
[08:01] <dv__> nedit can handle a lot
[08:02] <reka> sun: he's a chatbot, yes
[08:02] <ixiz> hi
[08:02] <ixiz> how do I install MS fonts?
[08:02] <dArtagnan> there are two packages with ms fonts
[08:02] <ixiz> i searhed on google, but can't get in on the homepages for some reason
[08:02] <dArtagnan> the url is on ubuntu forums
[08:02] <dArtagnan> but it's down now
[08:02] <_Di42lo> ixiz find them and download them to ~.fonts
[08:03] <Quest-Master> reka: 2.4 Ghz Celeron, 256MB RAM, 40GB HD with DMA
[08:03] <reka> Quest-Master: and this is with gnome?
[08:03] <wahlau> weejamer: you still there?
[08:03] <zetor> hello all!
[08:03] <Quest-Master> reka: Firefox takes 30 seconds to load compared to 5 on Windows, Rhythmbox 15 while foobar2000 takes 2, console on Gnome takes 10 seconds while Windows takes 1
[08:03] <Quest-Master> reka: Yes
[08:03] <ixiz> What's the name of that package?
[08:04] <wilhelm> who know how to install and play tibia in ubuntu?
[08:04] <reka> Quest-Master: your system is OK, maybe you should try a more lightweight window manager just to compare...xfce is a nice choice
[08:04] <dv__> firefox also is sluggish on some sites
[08:04] <dv__> compared to windows
[08:04] <Quest-Master> reka: I don't see why a window manager would slow everything down so much though
[08:04] <Quest-Master> Nautilus is also buggy and unresponsive at many times
[08:05] <dv__> i like konqueror
[08:05] <Quest-Master> And the main Gnome menu freezes the entire Gnome system for 10 seconds while it loads
[08:05] <wilhelm> who know how to install and play tibia in ubuntu?
[08:05] <anacron> Quest-Master: have you upgraded your kernel?
[08:05] <dv__> its much quicker than nautilus, and more reliable
[08:05] <Quest-Master> anacron: Sure have
[08:05] <anacron> that's weird
[08:05] <_Di42lo> ixiz find them and download them to ~.fonts
[08:05] <anacron> since everything i do in linux is usually faster than doing it in windows
[08:05] <_Di42lo> oops
[08:05] <Quest-Master> I've had this problem from as far back as I remember, I just put up with it till I reinstalled Windows and noticed the speed differences
[08:05] <_Di42lo> my xorg doesnt start...because of missing fonts...(the directory share/X11/fonts is empty) what should i do ?
[08:06] <wilhelm> who know how to install and play tibia in ubuntu?
[08:06] <Quest-Master> wilhelm: Google?
[08:06] <anacron> wilhelm: google
[08:06] <anacron> :D
[08:06] <wilhelm> ;/
[08:06] <Quest-Master> So yeah.. sadly, I haven't used Ubuntu once during the summer
[08:06] <anacron> wilhelm: you can try also with apt-cache search tibia
[08:06] <wilhelm> i thought u tell me
[08:06] <wilhelm> ;/
[08:06] <Quest-Master> wilheelm: asking every other minute won't help
[08:07] <anacron> wilhelm: what's the meaning of life?
[08:07] <jatos> hi
[08:07] <anacron> and don't say it's 42
[08:07] <Quest-Master> microsoft_bob rofl
[08:07] <dv__> hmm
[08:07] <dv__> microsoft
[08:07] <zetor> hehe
[08:08] <_Di42lo> my xorg doesnt start...because of missing fonts...(the directory share/X11/fonts is empty) what should i do ?
[08:08] <dv__> this reminds me of "you've got questions. we've got dancing paperclips."
[08:08] <Quest-Master> I hate Microsoft with a passion, but currently, their OS loads apps. faster than Ubuntu :(
[08:08] <onur> Hello, my wireless connection is occasionally cut down without any reason how can i fix it ?
[08:08] <dv__> Quest-Master, well they got some things right
[08:08] <anacron> _Di42lo: try to install something like xserver-xorg
[08:08] <dv__> directx9, VS, .net
[08:09] <Quest-Master> onur: Does this happen while running large downloads or using a P2P program like Bittorrent?
[08:09] <Quest-Master> dv__: I dislike their policies a lot
[08:09] <zetor> dv__::-)
[08:09] <f_newton> Quest-Master, I have to say I have not experienced you load up times in either windows or unbuntu. Ive found ubuntu to load much faster the every os Ive used to date. Also, as far as windows load times go, that depends entirely on what you already have running. Check your processes. Yes from a cold start gnome and assorted gui apps take a couple of seconds longer but not as dramatic as you suggest... If you system is freezing I suggest you look in
[08:09] <f_newton> to the possible causes noting that this is in no way a usual scenario
[08:09] <onur> Quest-Master, no i just leave the computer for a while and when i get back i realied the connection went off
[08:10] <sJaM> I have to agree with f_newton, if you are running windows for a few hours intensively
[08:10] <onur> realized*
[08:10] <sJaM> performance rapidly decrease
[08:10] <Quest-Master> f_newton: There a number of threads with the exact same symptoms I am having on the UbuntuForums.. also some threads on the mailing list
[08:10] <Quest-Master> onur: Odd.
[08:10] <dv__> their policies are a pest, yeah
[08:10] <onur> Quest-Master, and i have used Suse with this comp, never such thing happened
[08:11] <Quest-Master> onur: Using ndiswrapper?
[08:11] <dv__> f_newton, one thing windows can do better is the responsiveness
[08:11] <dv__> not a lot better though
[08:11] <reka> Quest-Master: OOI, what kernel are you using?
[08:11] <onur> Quest-Master, just freshed installed Ubuntu, should i ? cause wireless is mostly working
[08:11] <dv__> they run the GUI in their own threads
[08:11] <f_newton> well I would look at the threadcalls in comparison with your processor/memory scheduling. I would do two things right off the bat... 1. check to see memory is quality not kmart brand 2. upgrade to at least 512meg
[08:11] <dv__> which helps reducing the latency
[08:11] <Quest-Master> onur: No need then..
[08:12] <f_newton> something else to check is conflicts
[08:12] <Quest-Master> reka: 2.6.10-5-686, I believe
[08:12] <f_newton> dv thats because they are pre set to run
[08:12] <dv__> a GUI thread runs in background,
[08:12] <dv__> and reacts to input
[08:12] <MyLeftNut> Is www.ubuntuforums.org down for anyone else?
[08:12] <dArtagnan> thing might be that windows preloads a lot of programs
[08:12] <dv__> which is better than having the GUI running in sync with the app
[08:12] <_Di42lo> my xorg doesnt start...because of missing fonts...(the directory share/X11/fonts is empty) what should i do ?
[08:13] <dv__> yes, windows preloads lots of stuff
[08:13] <reka> MyLeftNut: yes. me too.
[08:13] <dv__> but it doesnt have as much layers as an X11 app has to use
[08:13] <f_newton> When it comes to actual completion of tasks (for me) linux outperforms windows on stability, speed, and security. Now like they say on tv these times may vary
[08:13] <onur> MyLeftNut, yes me too
[08:14] <patrick__> i need help with my sources list
[08:14] <onur> Hello, my wireless connection is occasionally cut down without any reason how can i fix it ?
[08:14] <f_newton> if windows workd better for me I'd use it, believe me... I am not some paranoid skitz that thinks an os is out to get me
[08:14] <MyLeftNut> Okay, I feel somewhat lost without it
[08:14] <f_newton> I own close to ten grand of win software but I use linux
[08:14] <f_newton> go figure
[08:14] <patrick__> is it possible to modify the list, so that it lists automatically any updates on openoffice.org?
[08:14] <Kyral> onur, its prolly just flux
[08:14] <Kyral> it happens to me all the time
[08:15] <onur> Kyral, can you justify it ?
[08:15] <Keegan> how do I use SUDO? And how are applications installed on linux?
[08:15] <patrick__> ftp://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org/devel/680/ <-- like that site?
[08:15] <Kyral> Its just the signal
[08:15] <f_newton> onu or cell phone/wireless base phone interference
[08:15] <Quest-Master> Oh well
[08:15] <avokado> i have used synaptic to install firestarter, but i cant get it started ,this i what i get: A proper configuration for Firestarter was not found. If you are running Firestarter from the directory you built it in, run 'make install-data-local' to install a configuration, or simply 'make install' to install the whole program.but i dont know how to do it
[08:15] <Quest-Master> Maybe Breezy will do better with GCC4
[08:15] <Kyral> I know that for me its because I'm in a house thats non too conductive to WiFi
[08:15] <dv__> hmm
[08:15] <dv__> the kernel got some realtime patches
[08:15] <onur> Kyral, i was using Suse for this comp, and windows earlier, never happened such thing before with this distance
[08:16] <dv__> lets see how this performs in the wild
[08:16] <dv__> whether it really helps reducing latency
[08:16] <onur> Kyral, and the only way i can correct is reboot
[08:16] <reka> Keegan: you use sudo whenever you need to do a 'priveliged' action....you can install programs using apt-get /aptitude or the GUI program synaptic:
[08:16] <Kyral> That I don't know
[08:16] <reka> !synaptic
[08:16] <ubotu> I heard synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[08:16] <f_newton> Quest-Master, if you can show me some actual processor runtime logs I can look at them. I know that is kind of a lot to ask and probably unreasonable but without the actual data I can only surmise from my experience and your description
[08:16] <Kyral> if you wanna try to deactivate the interface then reactivate it
[08:16] <Kyral> it works for me sometimes
[08:16] <onur> Kyral, doesn't for me
[08:17] <f_newton> onur change the channel to two from six
[08:17] <Quest-Master> f_newton: Where would these be stored?
[08:17] <patrick__> is it impoosible?
[08:18] <onur> f_newton, from the router ?
[08:18] <f_newton> you would actually have to install an independent monitor ... I think windows has an old one for early ntfs 5 that u can use on xp systems
[08:18] <dv__> ubuntu uses kde3.4?
[08:18] <f_newton> onu on your wifi card And the router
[08:18] <avokado> can somebody help me whit firestarter
[08:18] <microsoft_bob> go prodigy!!!!
[08:18] <f_newton> kubuntu does I hear
[08:18] <f_newton> ubuntu uses gnome
[08:19] <zetor> dv__:kubuntu
[08:19] <jms_> hi
[08:19] <dv__> yes, kubuntu
[08:19] <MyLeftNut> Is there a way of installing KDE alongside GNOME, and if I do whats the method of changing from oe to the other
[08:20] <mjr> MyLeftNut, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, and you can pick one when logging in
[08:20] <reka> avokado: i'm not familiar with the app, but how are you trying to run it?
[08:20] <MyLeftNut> Nice one, cheers
[08:20] <reka> MyLeftNut: what mjr said. just choose your DE from the sessions menu
[08:20] <MyLeftNut> Nice one, thanks
[08:20] <MyLeftNut> And is that the only difference between Kubuntu and Ubuntu, or is there more to it?
[08:21] <shackan> firefox doesn't display fonts anymore!
[08:21] <f_newton> personally Quest-Master I think you may be experiencing the result of components getting too hot or too much wintel instruction set interference
[08:21] <mjr> MyLeftNut, that is the only one
[08:21] <Quest-Master> f_newton: dunno.
[08:21] <reka> isn't their package manager different?
[08:21] <f_newton> do remember the celeron is not a performance model
[08:21] <shackan> I've read someone had firefox fonts disappear after upgrading X, but I didn't do that
[08:21] <dv__> celeron is an overclocker chip
[08:22] <f_newton> and with only 256meg memory your are straining the system with a modern kernel
[08:22] <dv__> a russian roulette overclocker chip
[08:22] <MyLeftNut> Ahh yes, one last thing. I followed the instructions on Ubuntuforums about getting Thunderbird to integrate with Firefox by making the firefox-mailto-fix.sh and using the about:config addition, but clicking on mailto links just does nothing
[08:22] <f_newton> dv__, celeron is a crippled chip, intentionally, the l2 cache is drastically reduced
[08:22] <dv__> things run OK
[08:23] <topyli> i just found out cedega now supports worms armageddon. i also found out you can get cedega for free from the cvs. anybody tried to build it?
[08:23] <avokado> reka: i have used synaptic, but cant get it started
[08:23] <onur> let me tell you a story
[08:23] <reka> MyLeftNut: sys > prefs > preferred apps > mail reader perhaps?
[08:23] <xmen90s> for the love of all that is holy ... someone please help me! :@
[08:24] <onur> Tanzan and Ekido were once traveling together down a muddy road. A heavy rain was still falling. Coming around a bend, they met a lovely girl in a silk kimono and sash, unable to cross the intersection.
[08:24] <f_newton> I am concerned with the two reports today of gnome freezing
[08:24] <reka> avokado: yes, but how are you trying to start firestarter?
[08:24] <avokado> not the proper configurations it says, i can copy the error message so you can see what it says when i trie to open firestarter
[08:24] <f_newton> I am a dedicated gnomeuser and I want to know what happened
[08:24] <xmen90s> i haven't been able to connect to the internet on ubuntu and i installed it like 5 days ago, ive been trying to get connected but with no luck
[08:24] <onur> Come on, girl" said Tanzan at once. Lifting her in his arms, he carried her over the mud. Ekido did not speak again until that night when they reached a lodging temple.
[08:24] <xmen90s> ive followed all the tutorials i can find, but nothing seems to be working
[08:24] <anacron> can i resize "unix resolution" somehow, like in gentoo?
[08:24] <avokado> i double klick on the icon
[08:25] <reka> anacron: define resize
[08:25] <onur> Then he no longer could restrain himself. "We monks don't go near females," he told Tanzan, "especially not young and lovely ones. It is dangerous. Why did you do that?"
[08:25] <onur> I left the girl there, said Tanzan. Are you still carrying her?
[08:25] <alex11> the debian unstable in ubuntu is Breezy ?
[08:25] <djp> this is my custom command for my preferred mai reader "emacs %s -q --no-site-file -l "~/.emacs-mailto" -f "foobar/mailto""... ;)
[08:25] <avokado> (firestarter:8043): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[08:25] <avokado> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[08:26] <onur> reka, ?
[08:26] <avokado> A proper configuration for Firestarter was not found. If you are running Firestarter from the directory you built it in, run 'make install-data-local' to install a configuration, or simply 'make install' to install the whole program.
[08:26] <avokado> this is what i get
[08:26] <f_newton> reka this isnt soap opera hour... and while I can appreciate you having yer personal interests the rest of us may not
[08:27] <f_newton> uh sorry reka
[08:27] <f_newton> uno
[08:27] <f_newton> unurf
[08:27] <f_newton> argh!!
[08:27] <reka> avokado: then, going by the error message, i'd run 'make install-data-local' ... i'm not 100% certain though.
[08:27] <f_newton> u n u r
[08:27] <MyLeftNut> reka: Cheers man, you lot (The whole ubuntu support group) are amazing
[08:27] <xmen90s> ......
[08:27] <avokado> where do i write that, int terminal?
[08:28] <reka> avokado: yes
[08:28] <reka> avokado: you might possibly need to use sudo, if you are denied permission.
[08:28] <reka> actually....
[08:28] <topyli> alex11: it's more like experimental ATM i think :)
[08:28] <reka> i think that assumes you built it from source
[08:29] <reka> hence the 'from the directory you built it in'
[08:29] <alex11> how can upgrade only a package ?
[08:29] <MyLeftNut> Ahh, one last thing, I found kdocker but I'm looking for something with a GNOME flavour. I want to dock my thunderbird client in the statusbar
[08:30] <topyli> alex11: apt-get install will install the latest version
[08:30] <avokado> i am new at this, not in root terminal, but just terminal... and i doesnt have to write anything else than make install-data-local.....not cd or apt or anything else
[08:31] <AlexMBas> someone here from the pt-BR translation team?
[08:32] <f_newton> Quest-Master, so far ive only found the standard sandra processor test/display program but Im still looking
[08:32] <avokado> reka, do you speak norwegian
[08:32] <f_newton> Quest-Master, do you have another machine and a loopback cable?
[08:35] <patrick__> how is the install tool called
[08:35] <patrick__> dpkg?
[08:35] <patrick__> gptg
[08:35] <patrick__> kptg
[08:35] <patrick__> ????
[08:35] <Keegan_> I am trying to get my wireless card to work
[08:36] <Keegan_> I have attempted to follow steps as per ubuntu wiki
[08:36] <Keegan_> but when I enter sudo modprobe ndiswrapper, it says this action is not permitted. HELP!
[08:36] <patrick__> crap
[08:36] <patrick__> how can i install tar.gz files with ubuntu?
[08:36] <patrick__> OOo_SRC680_m122_sk_native_LinuxIntel_install_deb.tar.gz <--
[08:38] <avokado> i need to know exactly what to write in terminal. to get firestarter going, from the smallest detail,
[08:40] <patrick__> c'mon guys... whats the dump command to install tar.gz :(
[08:40] <jhaa> sudo firestarter
[08:41] <f_newton> dump command?
[08:41] <f_newton> I use tar -zxvf (whatever file name)
[08:41] <wilhelm> who kn ow how to install wine
[08:42] <adkinsj> patrick: tar -zxvf filename.tgz
[08:42] <patrick__> what does tar?
[08:42] <f_newton> 1. unscrew cap 2. insert in oral cavity, 3. invert
[08:42] <patrick__> installs it or will it unpack it?
[08:42] <adkinsj> tar unzip's it "so to speak"
[08:42] <f_newton> tar identifies the function
[08:42] <f_newton> its a tar file
[08:42] <patrick__> ubuntu is really outdated :(
[08:42] <patrick__> openoffice 1.1.3 O_o
[08:42] <f_newton> a tar ball from the ol unix tape archive file days
[08:43] <patrick__> 1.1.5.x is the newest
[08:43] <wilhelm> who know how to install wine ?? msg me prv
[08:43] <topyli> patrick__: that's what was latest when this stable distribution was released
[08:43] <f_newton> patrick__, Ooo 1.3 is stable. I for one appreciate tjat
[08:43] <f_newton> uh that
[08:43] <patrick__> 1.1.5 is the altest stable
[08:44] <Elrohir> how do I change the fonts used by X?
[08:44] <wilhelm> who know how to install wine ?? msg me prv
[08:44] <patrick__> and 1.9.122 is the latest beta
[08:44] <patrick__> not 1.1.79
[08:44] <mink> is ubuntuforums down?
[08:44] <adkinsj> mink: yes
[08:44] <topyli> patrick__: feel free to get the latest from ftp://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org/devel/680/SRC680_m122/Build-1/
[08:44] <mink> doh
[08:44] <rob_p> mink: must be... I can't get to it either!
[08:44] <f_newton> patrick__, if you want bleeding edge use fedora 4
[08:44] <topyli> patrick__: pavel always has the latest builds
[08:44] <patrick__> topyli, there i got it
[08:44] <mink> anyone know if its possible to do an install if were behind an NT proxy ?
[08:44] <patrick__> but i fail to install it
[08:44] <f_newton> if you want stability in a deb environ use ubuntu
[08:44] <patrick__> becuase its a tar.gz and not a deb
[08:44] <Stormx> Hey
[08:45] <mink> because the apt-get part in the start doesn't work
[08:45] <patrick__> i have no idea how to deal with targz :(
[08:45] <wilhelm> who know how to install wine ?? msg me prv
[08:45] <mink> pat - tar -zxvf
[08:45] <topyli> patrick__: there are debs
[08:45] <patrick__> where?
[08:45] <f_newton> topy
[08:45] <topyli> patrick__: oh, they are buried in a tarball of course :)
[08:45] <Stormx> wilhelm, I can help.
[08:45] <f_newton> topyli, he still needs to run ./install script
[08:45] <mink> anyone? can we do a install with a NT proxy ?
[08:45] <topyli> f_newton: no
[08:46] <Elrohir> how do I change the default font used by X?
[08:46] <topyli> f_newton: pavel makes nice debs and rpms
[08:46] <f_newton> topyli, unless OOo has changed their process
[08:46] <patrick__> what do u mean with tarball?
[08:46] <topyli> patrick__: a gzipped tarball: .tar.gz
[08:46] <f_newton> no some tarballs only unpack to reveal installers
[08:46] <patrick__> ???
[08:46] <patrick__> slow...
[08:46] <f_newton> some tarballs unpack and install
[08:46] <patrick__> what have i to do first
[08:46] <topyli> f_newton: this reveals a bunch of debs
[08:46] <f_newton> ah ok
[08:47] <f_newton> must be a different site
[08:47] <f_newton> not the OOo site
[08:47] <patrick__> where is a tutorial for this?
[08:47] <topyli> patrick__: go to the link i gave
[08:47] <f_newton> patrick__, man tar
[08:47] <f_newton> or man tgz
[08:47] <f_newton> or tar -h
[08:47] <topyli> patrick__: get the native_LInuxIntel_install._deb.tar.gz
[08:47] <sun> how can i install breezy kernel into hoary?
[08:47] <KeeganW> f_newton: would u give link again, I didn't get it
[08:47] <Elrohir> how do I change the fonts used by X?
[08:48] <patrick__> there is no german
[08:48] <patrick__> i need de_
[08:48] <f_newton> KeeganW, what link was that>?
[08:48] <jbloudg20> hey i have a few questions... maybe someone can help me? I am trying to get my chaintek av710 to work... how would I go about that?
[08:48] <KeeganW> f_newton: the link you were discussing with patrick, about installing software from tar.gz
[08:49] <topyli> patrick__: download the nativeLInuxINstall.deb.tar.gz or such, and find a de language pack from the langpacks_deb directory
[08:49] <Elrohir> how do I change the default font used by X?
[08:49] <f_newton> I was just telling him to man tar or tgz what ever it is.... or tar -h
[08:49] <selinium> HI all, how can i play midi .mid files?
[08:49] <f_newton> tar files are so easy to unpack
[08:49] <patrick__> ok
[08:49] <f_newton> tar -zxvf (filename)
[08:49] <Elrohir> tar -zxvf <tar file name>
[08:50] <KeeganW> f_newton: after they are unpacked, is the .bin the equivalent to and .exe installer?
[08:50] <topyli> f_newton: see the site i linked to above. pavel rocks so hard i can't sleep :)
[08:50] <patrick__> ????
[08:50] <RapaportM> is this the place to come for install help?
[08:50] <patrick__> whats next
[08:50] <patrick__> i have dl a sk_native...
[08:50] <patrick__> and the german translation
[08:50] <jbloudg20> can anyone help me install my soundcard?
[08:50] <Elrohir> how do I change the default font used by X?
[08:50] <sun> how to use dpk-reconfigure to rebuild kernel?
[08:50] <patrick__> argh... x-chat's colorsetting is confusing me
[08:51] <patrick__> next thing i install will be opera
[08:51] <Elrohir> usa GAIM on IRC protocol...
[08:51] <topyli> patrick__: sk? i always get the en_US native and a fi langpack, but maybe it doesn't matter
[08:51] <KeeganW> is anyone here familiar with ndiswrapper?
[08:51] <topyli> as long as you have the langpack
[08:51] <f_newton> patrick__, settings/preferences/textbox/strip mirc colors
[08:51] <patrick__> ok
[08:52] <topyli> patrick__: now, double click those tar.gz files and extract them. you'll end up with a bunch of debs
[08:52] <f_newton> I need coffee...
[08:52] <Doonz> whats the command to see the bw through my network card?
[08:52] <KeeganW> when I enter sudo modprobe ndiswrapper, I get the error: FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[08:52] <Elrohir> how do I change the default font used by X?
[08:52] <KeeganW> wat in the world is going on here?
[08:53] <cikilin> it is posible to make hoary became a server with 50 computers conected on it?
[08:54] <topyli> cikilin: sure
[08:54] <RapaportM> can anyone troubleshoot an install error?
[08:54] <patrick__> test
[08:54] <patrick__> x-chat didtn changed
[08:54] <patrick__> neither links are highlighted nor my nick color is changed
[08:54] <patrick__> grey on greuy... i barely see my own nick
[08:54] <Elrohir> how do I change the default font used by X?
[08:55] <KeeganW> it appears that sudo is installed, but it will not let me edit any of the files that I need to
[08:55] <Elrohir> patrick__: use GAIM on IRC protocol...
[08:56] <jbloudg20> is anyone using an mx1000? how did you get all of your buttons to work?
[08:56] <jbloudg20> oh and where is xmms installed?
[08:56] <Elrohir> on terminal: whereis xmms
[08:56] <jbloudg20> thanks
[08:56] <Seveaz> or: which xmms
[08:56] <Bateau> if i want to play music off a radio (internett radio) what program do i use? (if the radio have *.pls files)
[08:57] <Seveaz> Bateau, beep-media-player or xmms
[08:57] <Bateau> xmms didnt work :/
[08:57] <RapaportM> can anyone help troubleshoot the Pivot_root error?
[08:57] <Wegg> hey. . . I'm trying to build a Raid5 on my Ubuntu box and I can't seem to find an easy way to do it. In Mandrake there is DiskDrake which makes it happen in a few clicks. . . but I can't find any "easy" way to do it in Ubuntu. . . can anyone help?
[08:57] <Bateau> where can i get beep-media-player?
[08:57] <Elrohir> Bateau: Applications > Audio & Video > Music Player
[08:57] <Bateau> oh
[08:57] <Seveaz> RapaportM, homegrown kernel?
[08:57] <Bateau> that didnt work either
[08:57] <RapaportM> no
[08:58] <Bateau> tried that one
[08:58] <deprave_> Bateau : bmp didn't work?
[08:58] <RapaportM> or yes, i suppose. its the Kernel on the install CD
[08:58] <Bateau> nope
[08:58] <Seveaz> Bateau, ehich radio station?
[08:58] <Seveaz> which*
[08:58] <Bateau> www.di.fm
[08:58] <Bateau> VocalTrance
[08:58] <Bateau> :P
[08:58] <Seveaz> url?
[08:58] <rob_newbie> i am having problems with beep media player it is not playing anything. I did get the codacs as instructed by the ubuntu unofficial guide. anyone else have the same experence and know what I should do?
[08:59] <Seveaz> rob_newbie: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound
[08:59] <RapaportM> Seveaz, i did an expert intall for a external USB install but received the pivot_root error
[08:59] <Seveaz> rob_newbie, and I hope you didn't use ubuntuguide that much
[08:59] <Seveaz> it sucks
[08:59] <shido> I love ubuntu... i run xp in a nice little window now (vmware) where it should be
[08:59] <Wegg> no gui tools for Raid5?
[08:59] <Seveaz> RapaportM, hmm, maybe the USB stuff did not get in the initrd....
[08:59] <{cYanide}> er does anyone have a link to help on installing gdm themes?
[09:00] <Seveaz> art.gnome.org/faq.php
[09:00] <Seveaz> ^-- {cYanide}
[09:00] <bytefoo> does anyone know the new name of kerberos?
[09:00] <bytefoo> can't seem to install krb5-user ;X
[09:00] <patrick__> now i have upacked them
[09:00] <rob_newbie> Seveaz: Thanks Ill give that a try. As for the guide I am using it very little. Only when it is reccommeded by someone who used it succesfully.
[09:00] <bytefoo> or perhaps a repo where it is located
[09:00] <patrick__> whats next?
[09:00] <RapaportM> seveaz, thats what i think. i had an issue at the end of my install i tried to /sbin/grub-install /dev/sda0, but it wouldnt recognize it
[09:00] <Stormx> Did you guys know that ubuntu backwards is Utnubu?????
[09:01] <Kyral> Yes
[09:01] <Seveaz> bytefoo, apt-cache search krb
[09:01] <rob_newbie> Thanks
[09:01] <Kyral> infact there is a project called that
[09:01] <bytefoo> yeah i know, it's not there though
[09:01] <bytefoo> perhaps i have to enable universe
[09:02] <Seveas> bytefoo, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/978
[09:02] <patrick__> whats the next step to install OOo2
[09:02] <D3ath> evening
[09:02] <Wegg> I guess I'm looking for Drakxtools. . .. does anyone know about setting up raids?
[09:02] <patrick__> do i need a script
[09:02] <Seveas> patrick__, apt-get install openoffice.org2
[09:02] <Dr_Melectaus> Does anyone know where i can get some winamp .EQF files for Beep media player ?
[09:02] <jbloudg20> i still cant find xmms... im in kde right now, and I cant get it to work. But I know that it works fine in gnome
[09:02] <deprave_> what would i query to apt-get install traceroute?
[09:02] <patrick__> no.. not the one from the sources.list, Seveas
[09:03] <Seveas> patrick__, ah
[09:03] <patrick__> i just downloadet the m122 release
[09:03] <Seveas> deprave_, mtr
[09:03] <patrick__> and unpacked it
[09:03] <Dr_Melectaus> deprave_, go to aps>system>network tools
[09:03] <Seveas> deprave_, mtr <-- it's a packagename
[09:03] <bytefoo> yeah seveas, i didnt have all that
[09:03] <bytefoo> i had about 7 packates :X
[09:03] <Seveas> bytefoo, yeah enable universe :)
[09:03] <deprave_> seveas thanks
[09:03] <bytefoo> ;]
[09:04] <D3ath> can someone help me pls ... i have a live cd of ubuntu 4.10 .. i can get the screen refresh rate to go down .. when i boot from the cd i go the 800x600 way but stil whn the boot screen comes on (when x-server strarts ) i just get garble
[09:04] <Bateau> hmm, no sound from the radio station. it says "There is no element present to handle the stream's mime type audio/mpeg"
[09:04] <Kyral> D3ath, well first off, get 5.04
[09:04] <D3ath> like in win when the screen reselution is to high
[09:05] <Stormx> D3ath: It hasn't properly configured your graphics card then.
[09:05] <Ju1ce> Bateau: Have the codecs?
[09:05] <D3ath> ya well i am waiting for it in the mail
[09:05] <Stormx> Bateau, what program are you using?
[09:05] <RapaportM> can anyone help me figure out my initrd.img issue regarding pivot_root and a kernel panic
[09:05] <Stormx> kernel panic is funny
[09:05] <Bateau> Ju1ce: where can i get that? and how do i install?
[09:05] <Stormx> it's only happened to me once.
[09:05] <RapaportM> kernel panic sucks
[09:05] <D3ath> Stormx: i have an nvidia ..
[09:06] <Bateau> Stormx: the one that comes with Ubuntu.. :P bmp or what ever
[09:06] <D3ath> riva tnt2
[09:06] <Stormx> Bareau: Hmm
[09:06] <erisco> how do I share a folder over my windows network with ubuntu?
[09:06] <Ju1ce> Bateau: apt-get install ffmpeg
[09:06] <patrick__> is there a way to install all debs of the folder in one step?
[09:06] <Stormx> Bateau: What is its name, a couple come with it.
[09:06] <Stormx> partick__ yes, think so. Hang on.
[09:06] <patrick__> how?
[09:07] <Stormx> dpkg -i *.deb
[09:07] <rob_newbie> Beep Media Player shows in preferences>plugins>Media no support for mp3 or streaming audio. Any suggestions as where I can get them?
[09:07] <topyli> patrick__: dpkg -i *.deb
[09:07] <rob_p> erisco: samba
[09:07] <Stormx> patrick__ in terminal, go to the folder and use dpkg -i *.deb
[09:07] <D3ath> Stormx: so it is the best to wait til the new version comeas?
[09:07] <patrick__> dpkg -i /folder/ *.deb?
[09:07] <weejamer> does anyone know anything about mounting a Fat32 drive that is attached to a raid controller
[09:07] <topyli> patrick__: yes
[09:07] <Stormx> D3ath: what version are you on?
[09:07] <D3ath> 4.10
[09:08] <D3ath> that is what it sayes on the cd
[09:08] <Stormx> D3ath: Upgrade?
[09:08] <Pega> Hmm. so you can install .debs with like... one dpkg command??? It is certainly not that I would have been googling for onver a hour thro FAQs about installing .debs... :S
[09:08] <Wegg> I'm trying to figure out how to mount a raid in Ubuntu weejamer
[09:08] <Bateau> Stormx: the Language of my Linux is in Norwegian.. so i dont think the name is the same in english :)
[09:08] <D3ath> no full version
[09:08] <topyli> patrick__: except you have an extra space there: use dpkg -i /folder/*.deb
[09:08] <Stormx> Yes
[09:08] <Bateau> Stormx: so saying its name, will tell you nothing :P
[09:08] <Stormx> ;-) I almost feel helpfull
[09:09] <weejamer> what raid controller do you have?
[09:09] <Stormx> Bateau: OK then. I'm not sure, you may need a codec called mpg123
[09:09] <Bateau> ok, where and how can i get that?
[09:09] <Ju1ce> apt-get?
[09:09] <Stormx> Bateau: Go to the BMP website, it should be a plugin i'd imagine
[09:09] <selinium> HI all, how can i play midi .mid files?
[09:10] <D3ath> Stormx:?
[09:10] <Bateau> apt-get what?
[09:10] <Stormx> selinium: I think theres a plugin for xmms which does that
[09:10] <Stormx> Bateau: Let me find the site. You need MP3 support, right?
[09:10] <Bateau> yeah
[09:10] <Dr_Melectaus> Does anyone know where i can get some winamp .EQF files for Beep media player ?
[09:10] <Bateau> thanks :D
[09:10] <Ju1ce> I installed all the codecs which ubuntuguide told me to.
[09:11] <selinium> Stormx: I think i have downloaded all the xmms plugins.... But i will look again! Cheers
[09:11] <djp> selinium: you need to adjust the playback codec option in xmms if i'm not mistaken
[09:11] <Stormx> selinuim: Wait
[09:11] <Stormx> selinium: I was mistaken, MIDI support is an idea for XMMS2
[09:11] <D3ath> antother time ppl
[09:11] <D3ath> nice eve
[09:12] <D3ath> Stormx" thank for da help
[09:12] <Stormx> selinium: I'm not sure. Maybe use synaptic and in advance run a search for "mid"
[09:12] <Stormx> OK
[09:12] <Stormx> Who else needs helping?!
[09:12] <dv__> me!
[09:13] <Stormx> Seveas is gonna kick my ass for being so damn helpfull
[09:13] <dv__> i need money!
[09:13] <djp> timidity is godd for .nid supprot
[09:13] <Stormx> Money and beer for all!
[09:13] <djp> good/support... jeez i can't type today! ;)
[09:13] <steven> .
[09:13] <weejamer> anyone know about Gigabyte C
[09:13] <weejamer> GA7 n400pro raid with linux
[09:13] <f_newton> Stormx, im thet=re!
[09:14] <Stormx> f_newton: What?
[09:14] <f_newton> im there!
[09:14] <dv__> Stormx, you forgot the hot chicks...
[09:14] <Stormx> Oh ye
[09:14] <nocloud> i've got a question...is it possible to have a dual boot system with ubuntu and windows?
[09:14] <Stormx> nocloud: Yes
[09:14] <f_newton> of course it is...
[09:14] <dv__> uh yeah
[09:14] <dv__> thanx
[09:14] <dv__> :]
[09:14] <Ju1ce> I have a dualboot like that.
[09:15] <Stormx> nocloud: Its very easy, I can help you, if you can't do it.
[09:15] <nocloud> how do you set up the dual boot?
[09:15] <Stormx> I'm currently quadruple booting ;-)
[09:15] <steven> wow, i just started using ubuntu... its awsome
[09:15] <Stormx> nocloud: run the ubuntu installer
[09:15] <f_newton> personally I cant find a reason for it, but...
[09:15] <Stormx> Hang on...
[09:15] <steven> type expert at install
[09:15] <dv__> f_newton: games
[09:15] <dv__> and no, cedega is not enough.
[09:16] <f_newton> ah well that must be why... I dont play game
[09:16] <f_newton> s
[09:16] <Badcel> hi can somenone tell me, what I have to do, to download a specific directory (with subdirectorys) from a server with wget?
[09:16] <Stormx> nocloud: private message me.
[09:16] <dv__> i mostly use windows for cross-platform development and games
[09:16] <weejamer> can anyone help with raid?
[09:16] <Ju1ce> windows for cross-platform development o_O
[09:16] <mark`> hello i had a question regarding gtk+ in ubuntu
[09:16] <dv__> uh...
[09:16] <f_newton> wget (name)\
[09:17] <mark`> i can't find the package with apt-cache search
[09:17] <dv__> well, for developing the win32 platform stuff :)
[09:17] <djp> i use the xbox, gamecube, dreamcast, n64 and saturn for games! ;)
[09:17] <dv__> djp, havent seen half-life 2 for these.
[09:17] <dv__> or deus ex.
[09:17] <dv__> or ......
[09:17] <dv__> :)
[09:17] <weejamer> i use a windows pc for games
[09:17] <f_newton> If i need a winapp I use cxoffice
[09:18] <dv__> photoshop works with crossover, yeah
[09:18] <topyli> f_newton: if i need a windows app i use windows :)
[09:18] <weejamer> or vmware?
[09:18] <patrick__> dv__, as fast as in windows or osx?
[09:18] <patrick__> that sounds nice
[09:18] <f_newton> sorry to hear that topyli
[09:18] <f_newton> lol
[09:18] <djp> dv__: well i can forgo those for a good old blast at metroid prime and zelda! ;)
[09:18] <Ju1ce> i use linux for cross-platform development - 'cause I use wxwidgets and not winapi
[09:18] <dv__> dont know, parabolize
[09:18] <dv__> patrick__,
[09:18] <dv__> never used it :)
[09:18] <djp> dv__: though in all fairness, those games do look the biz
[09:18] <patrick__> gimp is to weak...
[09:18] <patrick__> :(
[09:19] <eruin> what's the language select command thats supposed to be in system->administration in breezy now?
[09:19] <dv__> djp, heh
[09:19] <dv__> anyway, gotta go
[09:19] <weejamer> does anyone can deal ith raid
[09:19] <dv__> bye
[09:19] <f_newton> patrick__, you are obviously uneducated on the subject
[09:19] <f_newton> no offense
[09:19] <djp> dv__: trouble is they do need a massive investment to get the full glory... my old pc would never do them justice
[09:19] <djp> :(
[09:20] <topyli> f_newton: hide a windows box under the desk or in the nearby closet and VNC into it. it's the ultimate windows emulator :)
[09:20] <f_newton> I have a windows box hidden in the dumpster out back, but ive not needed to vnc into it yet
[09:21] <bytefoo> how does one tell the package version via the apt-cache command
[09:21] <holycow> Ju1ce i use linux for cross-platform development - 'cause I use wxwidgets and not winapi <-- that should save you a lot of effort indeed
[09:21] <topyli> f_newton: i also got rid of it (gave it to the lady). i realized it's been too long since i needed it. i only miss worms armageddon :)
[09:22] <juancarlosz_> #ubuntu-es
[09:22] <f_newton> dont play games dont need games... my kids on the other hand...
[09:22] <ripkun> is there some command to deleate folders from the usr dir? I can't ubuntu isn't giving me the option to toss them to the bin
[09:22] <AlexMBas> someone here from the pt-BR translation team?
[09:22] <hyphenated> ripkun: why do you feel the need to mess with stuff in there?
[09:22] <f_newton> Badcel, try man wget then
[09:23] <ripkun> I was instaling mplayer
[09:23] <ripkun> and I made a mess
[09:23] <ripkun> =P
[09:23] <bytefoo> ehhh >_<
[09:24] <f_newton> Badcel, you can also google wget for more information
[09:24] <f_newton> but its pretty straight forward
[09:24] <Stormx> HELLO!
[09:24] <Stormx> I am back
[09:24] <nJess> wget http://f_newton.s.mother
[09:24] <Stormx> who need's help ;-)
[09:24] <nJess> :P
[09:24] <Stormx> rofl.
[09:24] <equex> can anyone tell me why my keyboard is skipping keys and locking up and the scroll lock key is flashing ?
[09:24] <f_newton> lol yeah go ahead dig her up...
[09:25] <hyphenated> ripkun: from source?
[09:25] <f_newton> you'll probably get the ol man by mistake though
[09:25] <tbasten> i am having troubles mounting a cd5 of the halflife 2 serious. it comes up wiht nothing beeing on it when there is. when i mount it i get this message "mount: block device /dev/cdrom is write-protected, mounting read-only"
[09:25] <rapha> Is there any C-based (unlike Azureus, which uses Java) BitTorrent server, or even better, is there some download mechanism that checksums WHILE downloading?
[09:26] <ripkun> it's usr/local/share
[09:26] <nJess> f_newton, i feel shame :(
[09:26] <bytefoo> are the ubuntu forums down
[09:26] <f_newton> yes you should actually
[09:26] <f_newton> but hey its ok
[09:26] <Ju1ce> bytefoo: I noticed the same
[09:26] <bytefoo> trying to figure out how to install just this one package from breezy :-/
[09:27] <bytefoo> since it's needed for authentication in a win2k3 domain :X
[09:27] <nocloud> does anybody know if ubuntu can support the intel 915 chipset?
[09:27] <topyli> does someone know an mplayer skin to fit nicely into my desktop? screenshot: http://siltala.net/comp/Hoary-desktop.jpg
[09:28] <topyli> mplayer is nice, but the gui is quite horrible btw
[09:28] <tbasten> how do i forcefully unmount a cd properly
[09:28] <deprave_> umount /media/cdrom
[09:29] <Madeye> what do they mean when they say "it works out of the box" ?
[09:29] <bytefoo> how do i install winbind 3.0.14a from breezy, and those dependencies, but nothing else from breezy
[09:30] <w4yne1337> what can i do if my alt-gr key is a second alt key
[09:30] <tbasten> deprave_, it wont work because its disk5 of a installation which means i need to forcfully unmount it
[09:30] <ripkun> so any way to get rid of folders in the usr dir?
[09:30] <nightswim> rm
[09:30] <asfra> would a printer driver that is supported by debinan work in ubuntu? (i'm aware of that this might be a stupid question :)
[09:30] <BSG85> first time ubuntu installer need help loggin in as root, any help will be much appreciated
[09:31] <BSG85> rm -rf <dirname> ripkun
[09:31] <Stormx> Hey I'm back
[09:31] <Stormx> where is nocloud?
[09:31] <f_newton> BSG85, use sudo root is disabled by default
[09:31] <djp> BSG85: login as the user you created during install and then use the sudo command at bash prompt when needing root privileges
[09:31] <f_newton> I had to learn that
[09:31] <f_newton> been reading up on it too
[09:31] <ripkun> many thanks BSG =)
[09:32] <tbasten> when i mount a cd it says there is no contents but when i check on another machine its there
[09:32] <f_newton> tbasten, more particulars... both linux boxes?
[09:32] <BSG85> thanx guys, I figured so much :) btw, this ist he bestest implementation of Gnome I have seen so far. WTG :)
[09:32] <srodal> can you recommend a graphical FTP program for ubuntu?
[09:32] <bytefoo> so ahh...no one has any info on winbind or joining an AD domain with ubuntu? :X
[09:32] <asfra> would a printer driver that is supported by debian work in ubuntu? (i'm aware of that this might be a stupid question :)
[09:32] <Stormx> tbasten: Have you tried with more than 1 CD?
[09:33] <f_newton> tbasten, what did you use to burn the cd?
[09:33] <Stormx> asfra: does your printer not work otherwise?
[09:33] <tbasten> nah, 1 windows the one i am trying to get working is linux. When i reboot my machine it works. Its just the its cd5 in hl5
[09:33] <ablyss> is there a way to pipe commands using apt-get? I.e., apt-get update | install ... or do i just do it in two separate commands i.e., atp-get update && apt-get upgrade ?
[09:33] <f_newton> asfra, most likelyu
[09:33] <tbasten> i got it working once but i dont know what i did
[09:33] <crimsun> ablyss: 2 separate.
[09:33] <ablyss> ty crimsun
[09:34] <f_newton> tbasten, did you use the windows stock burner?
[09:34] <f_newton> what program did you use?
[09:34] <tbasten> cough :P its the original
[09:34] <equex> LOOL
[09:34] <asfra> Stormx: I currently have a driver for it, but hewlett packard make drivers that work with debian and several other distros, just wondering if I could use them. A have an old Hp deskjet 694C
[09:34] <equex> my desktop is scrolling off screen ahah
[09:35] <f_newton> this is a commercially burned disk?
[09:35] <equex> bye bye
[09:35] <tbasten> yes
[09:35] <tbasten> the cd works fine
[09:35] <asfra> Stormx: I meant that I DONT have a driver now
[09:35] <equex> i think perhaps kde has a bug
[09:35] <f_newton> kde is a collection of bugs in my opinion.... dont take that seriously
[09:35] <BSG85> LOL f-newton :)
[09:36] <Dr_Melectaus> bollocks
[09:36] <equex> hey how do i kill a panel from cmd line
[09:36] <Dr_Melectaus> someone say something, i think ice dc
[09:36] <Dr_Melectaus> HAH
[09:36] <Dr_Melectaus> yes
[09:36] <Dr_Melectaus> havent etc
[09:36] <Dr_Melectaus> cheers equex
[09:36] <tbasten> ok when i eject i get "eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument" but it ejects
[09:36] <w4yne1337> help my alt-gr key is a second alt key
[09:36] <equex> i docked two panels on top of each otherrrrr and every tihng disapeard
[09:36] <w4yne1337> i cant type [] {}
[09:37] <DaSkreech> slapd Is the same as openLDAP?
[09:37] <equex> and now my desktop is scrolling off screen while i expand xchats widow
[09:37] <f_newton> thats ok I cant read your l33tsp33k nick either
[09:38] <wayneunso> better?
[09:38] <tbasten> any ideas?
[09:38] <f_newton> for me yes but who knows bout anyone else
[09:38] <DaSkreech> If I apt-get slapd I should get an openLDAP config?
[09:38] <BSG85> tbasten if you man eject you will see it gives you option to eject various devices
[09:38] <f_newton> wayne did you pick the proper keyboard entry?
[09:38] <Pega> How do I find out where a game is installed without checking every file in system one by one?
[09:39] <tbasten> man BSG85 i know how to eject
[09:39] <Dr_Melectaus> could someone tell me how to install a .rpm file?
[09:39] <erisco> help! how do I set a user name and password for samba?
[09:39] <f_newton> step one... install rpm based distro
[09:39] <DaSkreech> Dr_Melectaus: try alien
[09:39] <erisco> or how can i disable the user name and password?
[09:39] <hyphenated> Dr_Melectaus: install redhat or fedora, then do rpm -i thatfile.rpm ;-)
[09:39] <f_newton> DaSkreech, is right though
[09:40] <BSG85> smbpasswd erisco
[09:40] <wayneunso> f_newton i have some problem with gnome-settings-daemon
[09:40] <hyphenated> erisco: use 'share' instead of 'user' access.
[09:40] <f_newton> what problems?
[09:40] <wayneunso> it says an error when gnome is starting
[09:40] <Stormx> What is the error?
[09:40] <f_newton> what is the error?
[09:41] <wayneunso> reboot^^
[09:41] <tbasten> usually when i put a cd in it auto mounts, its not doing it
[09:41] <f_newton> wow..
[09:42] <f_newton> but it loads?
[09:42] <tbasten> i have to manually mount it
[09:42] <wayneunso> i have this problem only when i start xorg
[09:42] <Dr_Melectaus> DaSkreech, whats the syntax for alien ?
[09:42] <f_newton> tbasten that cd is probably a feeder cd for the game and is accessed as is needed therefore has no boot up or access signature header
[09:43] <tbasten> f_newton, i got it working about 1 hour ago
[09:43] <f_newton> wayne xorg or gnome?
[09:43] <tbasten> but i forgot
[09:43] <wayneunso> xorg
[09:43] <DaSkreech> Dr_Melectaus: man alien normally helps
[09:43] <f_newton> tbasten, I have no idea normally
[09:43] <wayneunso> kde has the same problem
[09:43] <DaSkreech> First few lines are good
[09:43] <f_newton> Dr_Melectaus, I used alien -h
[09:43] <wayneunso> There was an error starting GNOME settings Daemon
[09:44] <bytefoo> can anyone tell me how to install a package from breezy (including its dependancies) but not the entire breezy version?!
[09:44] <f_newton> Dr_Melectaus, I used alien and it worked well for me
[09:44] <wayneunso> Some things,such as themes,souns, or background settings may not work correctly
[09:44] <wayneunso> The Settings Daemon restarted too many times
[09:44] <topyli> Dr_Melectaus: are you sure you have to use an rpm package? alien can produce some weird debs from them
[09:44] <wayneunso> and so on
[09:44] <Dr_Melectaus> its rpm, so would it be sudo alien --to-deb (file)
[09:44] <Dr_Melectaus> its winamp3 for linux
[09:44] <f_newton> wayneunso, there is definitely an x problem there
[09:45] <DaSkreech> Yup
[09:45] <f_newton> is your xconf set right?
[09:45] <crimsun> bytefoo: you don't want to do that, because packages built on/for Breezy have dependency skew vs. on/for Hoary.
[09:45] <wayneunso> i think so f_newton
[09:45] <wayneunso> Errorr activatin XKB configuration.
[09:45] <wayneunso> *Error
[09:45] <bytefoo> crimsun, but i need to do it in order to authenticate users onto this box in a windows 2003 domain
[09:46] <topyli> Dr_Melectaus: and that would be worth... what? ;-)
[09:46] <bytefoo> and winbind 3.0.14a is only available on breezy
[09:46] <f_newton> wayneunso, i hate to tell you this but I have to go to work... I hope someone smarter, better educated, and more experienced then I can help you
[09:46] <Chaotic_Reality> can someone take a look at this and possibly tell me if you see anything as to why my laptop shuts down within an hour of inactivity inside of ubuntu? http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/980
[09:46] <tbasten> um, when i do mount /cdrom the title says its cd1 but when i do sudo mount i the the proper title
[09:46] <crimsun> bytefoo: then grab the orig.tar.gz, the dsc, and the diff, and build it on a Hoary box.
[09:46] <crimsun> bytefoo: alternately, look for it in Hoary backports.
[09:47] <bytefoo> ooohh the backports
[09:47] <Stormx> Chaotic_reality: It probably goes into a kind of hibernation mode, which you're laptop can't handle. I'm gonna have a look into disabling it, hang on.
[09:47] <Chaotic_Reality> Stormx: ok. thank you
[09:47] <burnboyy> my screen is a bit off center, does anyone know how to fix that?
[09:47] <f_newton> hit it with a hammer?
[09:47] <burnboyy> LOL
[09:47] <bytefoo> yes excellent it is there :D
[09:47] <burnboyy> no i already maxed out the trim on my monitor
[09:48] <Stormx> Chaotic_Reality, go to System > Prefences > Screensaver
[09:48] <f_newton> burnboyy if youve maxed out the trim its more then a little off
[09:48] <burnboyy> oh ya it was WAY off now its just a bit off
[09:48] <tbasten> with the other 4 cds of the installation i used "umount /cdrom -l"
[09:48] <f_newton> have you dropped this thing recently?
[09:48] <Stormx> Chaotic_Reality: Press the advanced tab
[09:48] <burnboyy> no it is dead center for my windows computer
[09:48] <Stormx> Chaotic_Reality: Then disable power management
[09:48] <burnboyy> for some reason when i installed ubuntu it was way to the side
[09:48] <f_newton> heck I gotta git to work... cant stop to chat ... gonna be late!
[09:49] <six2one> you have an lcd?
[09:49] <Dr_Melectaus> Shit, someone show me the syntax for converting a .RPM to .DEB, i tried "sudo alien -d (file)
[09:49] <f_newton> burnboy check your video configurationfile
[09:49] <Dr_Melectaus> But that just unzips it to desktop
[09:49] <f_newton> gotta run
[09:49] <Chaotic_Reality> i'm pretty sure i did that already but i'll check again. are you going to be around for a bit Stormx? i'm going to boot back into ubuntu to check on that
[09:49] <burnboyy> ya it is an LCD
[09:49] <bytefoo> thanks crimsun
[09:49] <six2one> auto adjust it
[09:49] <BSG85> mine was too with my lcd .. you should be able to adjust your xorg.conf
[09:49] <Dr_Melectaus> ohh that worked
[09:49] <Stormx> Chaotic_Reality: I sure am. You should just restart X for the changes to take effect. Ctrl + Alt + Backspace
[09:49] <burnboyy> ok disabled power managment
[09:50] <Chaotic_Reality> Stormx: ok i'll try that. i really hope this works. brb
[09:50] <BSG85> if you really want to be lazy, just rem out your vert and horizontal syncs in xorg.conf
[09:51] <Stormx> heh.
[09:51] <Stormx> I'm gonna keep a list of those oh-so-handy commands
[09:51] <BSG85> lol
[09:52] <burnboyy> still of center a bit
[09:52] <KeeganW> I cannot get ndiswrapper to work, can anyone help me?
[09:52] <burnboyy> i've only been using linux like a few hours now
[09:52] <burnboyy> i'm sure there is some easy way to fix this
[09:52] <BSG85> you are doing great :)
[09:52] <burnboyy> well the GUI interface is very easy
[09:52] <Stormx> burnboyy: What is the problem?
[09:53] <Dr_Melectaus> If i have a .DEB package on my desktop, whats the command to install it?
[09:53] <burnboyy> my visible desktop is off center, and i have maxed o;ut the trim on my monitor
[09:53] <kungkang> Dr_Fate: dpkg -i
[09:53] <Stormx> Dr_Melectaus: Hang on....
[09:53] <burnboyy> so my little trashcan and some other stuff is off the screeen
[09:53] <Stormx> Dr_Melectaus yeh its dpkg -i <package name>
[09:53] <nocloud> does anybody know about the enterprise edition of ubuntu? i saw mention of it on the ubuntu site...
[09:53] <KeeganW> when I type sudo modprobe ndiswrapper, it says that the command is not allowed
[09:53] <Dr_Fate> kungkang, wrong Doctor
[09:54] <DaSkreech> nocloud: It's one edition
[09:54] <DaSkreech> nocloud: Desktop and enterprise are the same
[09:54] <kungkang> Dr_Fate: ops, sorry!
[09:54] <tbasten> someone please help me
[09:54] <nocloud> ahh, thanks for the clarification
[09:54] <tbasten> lol
[09:54] <Stormx> tbasten: what is the problem?
[09:55] <tbasten> mounting issues
[09:55] <topyli> nocloud: the ubuntu site specifically says there will never be an "enterprise" ubuntu :)
[09:55] <Dr_Melectaus> Stormx, cheers mate
[09:55] <Chaotic_Reality> Stormx, yeah, the power management enabled box is unchecked so it's already disabled. :/ any other ideas maybe?
[09:55] <Stormx> heh
[09:55] <Stormx> Chaotic_Reality: I have no idea.
[09:55] <Stormx> Dr_Melectaus: No problem
[09:55] <DaSkreech> tbasten: Have you fallen and can't get mount?
[09:55] <Kyral> hmm
[09:55] <BSG85> LOL
[09:55] <Stormx> rofl!!!!!
[09:55] <Stormx> xD
[09:56] <Kyral> a mv * .. would move everything in a dir into the one above it, right?
[09:56] <topyli> please don't mount your issues in public
[09:56] <burnboyy> my monitor is close to center, it is usable but i don't like it
[09:56] <Kyral> MOUNT ME BABY!! :P
[09:56] <burnboyy> hmmm wonder if screen shot would show how much image was off...
[09:56] <topyli> no
[09:56] <Seveas> Kyral, no
[09:57] <Stormx> burnboyy: LED issues?
[09:57] <Seveas> only the files that don't start with a . are moved
[09:57] <Kyral> no the command wouldn't do that?
[09:57] <burnboyy> ya
[09:57] <tbasten> DaSkreech, ok, i can mount the cdrom but i saying that nothing is on it when there is. When i reboot my machine it works but since it is installation cd 5 for halflife 5 i have to manually unmount 4 cds by typing "umount /cdrom -l"
[09:57] <Kyral> oh
[09:57] <Kyral> how would I do it so I move everything up a dir?
[09:57] <burnboyy> well this monitor is hooked to two machines, my windows and this one in just turned in to linux
[09:57] <Stormx> burnboyy: Have a look in the ubuntu wiki
[09:57] <bytefoo> how do i choose a package that is in the backports over another repository
[09:57] <Seveas> Kyral, mv * .* ..
[09:57] <burnboyy> this is the only one giving me a problem
[09:57] <burnboyy> wiki
[09:58] <MikeW> Hmm, I'm still getting those 'Error 18's with the grub loader
[09:58] <burnboyy> is that an application or admin file
[09:58] <MikeW> I found a debian sarge dvd and I installed that, and I'm getting the exact same error
[09:58] <Stormx> MikeW: The partition table may be corrupt.
[09:58] <MikeW> Is there some way to get the cd bootloader to boot the linux partition?
[09:58] <Kyral> Seveas, can you explain how that works? Because its frickin' cool!
[09:59] <Stormx> MikeW: Run a live CD (knoppix, ubuntu) and use cfdisk
[09:59] <Stormx> MikeW: Then press "w" to re-write the partitions
[09:59] <MikeW> Stormx: I picked the defaults, and reinstalled several times
[09:59] <voyage34> can someone help me with a quick apt-get qusetion?
[09:59] <MikeW> Stormx: where the defaults were automatically partition the entire hdd
[10:00] <Stormx> MikeW: I don't know. Have you googled it/
[10:00] <BSG85> burnboy .. if you vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf and look at your resolution setting for your monitor make sure your monitor can handle the resolution it is set to. Or if there is sync, take those lines out for lcd monitors
[10:00] <MikeW> Stormx: yes, and it points me back to the ubuntu forums where the quesiton is unanswered
[10:00] <bytefoo> crimsun, how does one choose a package in the backports over the lower version package in the standard repositories
[10:00] <MikeW> Stormx: I get the feeling its a grub problem :/
[10:00] <burnboyy> xorg.conf
[10:00] <burnboyy> i'll try to find it
[10:00] <Stormx> MikeW: GRUB does its best.
[10:01] <Stormx> MikeW: So you can't access any OS's on that system?
[10:01] <patrick__> whats the difference between shared woody and shared sarge?
[10:01] <MikeW> Stormx: linux would be the only os
[10:01] <edie> can anybody help me with my ubuntu?
[10:01] <lonetree> hi hi pple
[10:01] <tlord_> Hmm. I was just connected / disconnected / reconnected, so in case that didn't get into the channel, I'm going to repeat it ...
[10:01] <BSG85> just ask edie :)
[10:01] <Stormx> MikeW: So surely you wouldn't need a boot loader?
[10:01] <tlord_> Ack pfffhht!! Hi, there. I hosed my system (partially), not sure how, but now it won't let me do anything that requires root / superuser, and the system tells me at login eacch time that it cannot look up the internet address of my machine, and that adding this address to /etc/hosts might fix the problem. This is an iBook running hoary. So now I have the Live CD in the drive, hoping that...
[10:01] <topyli> patrick__: no sens you make
[10:01] <tlord_> ...would let me into the live system again (rather than the installed Hoary), but ... it's not starting up from the CD! Ack, again. Why not? :) I'm holding down the "D" key at startup, which I thought was the right key for this. Any clues?
[10:02] <patrick__> http://snapshot.opera.com/unix/8.10-Preview-2/1275-20050728-P2BT/intel-linux/en/
[10:02] <edie> i wannaask as PM
[10:02] <lonetree> just wanna check if anyone has set up any network that involves ubuntu and some windows system?
[10:02] <voyage34> i have a package that evrytime I apt-get something, it tries to donwload and install but I dont what this package and am wondering how to remove it from the queue.. anyone know how to do this? thanks
[10:02] <nlDefiant[serv] > hiya all
[10:02] <patrick__> topyli, which one should i use?
[10:02] <mpmc> :D
[10:02] <topyli> patrick__: whatever you do, get the statically linked, not dynamically linked opera. and sarge is more current
[10:03] <patrick__> topl... shared sarge or static?
[10:03] <weejamer> can anyone tell me how to mount a raid drive
[10:03] <topyli> patrick__: get static, it will surely work
[10:03] <BSG85> what is your raid devicename?
[10:04] <edie> i wannaask as PM
[10:04] <topyli> siikrits
[10:04] <patrick__> ok
[10:04] <lw> trying to VNC to my OS X box..
[10:04] <weejamer> IT/ITE 8212 dual channel ata raid BSG85
[10:04] <patrick__> whats the difference between the sahred and the static?
[10:04] <lw> True colour: max red 7 green 7 blue 3, shift red 0 green 3 blue 6
[10:05] <lw> ReadFromRFBServer: rdr::EndOfStream
[10:05] <mpmc> www.cheesynuts.com
[10:05] <mpmc> lol
[10:05] <lw> getting that error
[10:05] <patrick__> does shared use libs that are already in the system?
[10:05] <edie> can anybody help me with my ubuntu?
[10:05] <patrick__> edie, simply ask :)
[10:05] <burnboyy> hmmm there is no search feature to find xorg.
[10:05] <edie> i wanna ask as PM
[10:05] <lonetree> just wanna check if anyone has set up any network that involves ubuntu and some windows system?
[10:05] <crimsun> bytefoo: if it's versioned higher, it's chosen automatically unless you have apt pinning.
[10:05] <mpmc> edie: I'll try to help
[10:05] <patrick__> edie, i am a noob
[10:05] <topyli> patrick__: shared uses the libraries supposedly already on your system (in windows, .DLLs). static comes with all libraries in the package
[10:06] <weejamer> can i PM you BSG85
[10:06] <kami> hi
[10:06] <JonnyRo> i'm trying to compile a package that is complaining about "undefined reference to NTOHL"
[10:06] <JonnyRo> is there a -dev package in ubuntu I can install to resolve this?
[10:06] <bytefoo> crimsun, nm, the wiki had the wrong link :|
[10:06] <BSG85> vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:06] <voyage34> anyone?
[10:06] <BSG85> and yes weejamer
[10:06] <voyage34> i have a package that evrytime I apt-get something, it tries to donwload and install but I dont what this package and am wondering how to remove it from the queue.. anyone know how to do this? thanks
[10:06] <burnboyy> i don't have a vi/ dir
[10:06] <tlord_> holding down "d" at book on my iBook (running Hoary) does not seem to force it to boot from the internal optical drive. Any ideas why that might be?
[10:06] <Stormx> voyage34: Run synaptic.
[10:07] <lonetree> just wanna check if anyone has set up any network that involves ubuntu and some windows system?
[10:07] <burnboyy> hmmm i'll seach for tutorial
[10:07] <BSG85> yup I have lonetree
[10:07] <topyli> patrick__: the problem with shared libraries is you may not have them (since the package is not for ubuntu specifically), and might end up in "DLL hell" :)
[10:07] <Stormx> lonetree: No, but I'd imagine they could see eachother, as both systems get internet on my box.
[10:07] <Dr_Melectaus> Whats a good site for nix themes?
[10:07] <KeeganW> will driver loader work on ubuntu? Can I use this instead of ndiswrapper?
[10:08] <kami> this is my first time i use linux, and i want to modify GRUB for my windows. how i can do that?
[10:08] <Stormx> kami: GRUB should automaticly detect windows
[10:08] <lonetree> BSG85 , do you have problem with timestamp on your network?
[10:08] <lonetree> are you using samba?
[10:08] <Dr_Melectaus> Does anyone know a good site for Gnome themes?
[10:08] <tbasten> um, when i mount a cd it thinks its a cd that i just took out
[10:09] <topyli> Dr_Melectaus: gnome-look.org and art.gnome.org
[10:09] <Stormx> tbasten: You need to umount it
[10:09] <keith_> hey, before i attempt it- is it easy to switch GUIs with ubuntu? i'm thinking of installing fluxbox.
[10:09] <voyage34> Stormx: thanks.. so synaptic syncs alongside apt-get?
[10:09] <Dr_Melectaus> cheers topyli
[10:09] <tbasten> its been unmounted
[10:09] <kami> Stormx, my pc now only boots ubuntu, there's no option for change
[10:09] <Stormx> voyage34: Think so. They use the same queue methinks
[10:10] <Stormx> kami: Install windows. I'm gonna go have a look for the GRUB settings, i've changed it before.
[10:10] <voyage34> Stormx: thanks.. trying it now
[10:10] <BSG85> you are absolutely right Stormx :) .. me think :)
[10:10] <lonetree> BSG85 ? you there?
[10:10] <BSG85> yup I am here lonetree :)
[10:10] <Stormx> BSG85: I've only been using ubuntu for about 10 hours.
[10:10] <kami> Stormx, i have windows in a partition already
[10:10] <Stormx> BSG85: And i've helped about 15 people
[10:10] <mark`> hi i've been trying to install gkrellm in ubuntu but i keep getting errors, can somebody help me?
[10:11] <Stormx> kami: OK, hang on then
[10:11] <BSG85> LOL ditto Stormx :)
[10:11] <linlin> How can i convert a .bin to a .iso for mounting/burning? :)
[10:11] <BSG85> been using linux since slackware had a version # but .. first day on ubuntu .. and absolutely LOVE it :)
[10:11] <tbasten> OK, i have unmounted the 5th cd for halflife2 and put farcry and mounted it and its saying its hl2 still
[10:11] <mark`> anybody?
[10:11] <Stormx> kami: Go to /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:11] <burnboyy> only thing i can change in xorg is the refresh rates
[10:12] <Stormx> mark` - what errors?
[10:12] <kami> Stormx ok, just a sec...
[10:12] <mark`> says im missing gtk+
[10:12] <MAPD> hey
[10:12] <tlord_> keith_: it's easy :)
[10:13] <keith_> good to hear.
[10:13] <keith_> im gonna be doing that tonight hten
[10:13] <Stormx> mark` what program are you using to install it? Try synaptic
[10:13] <keith_> any suggestions on which to run?
[10:13] <mark`> mm
[10:13] <Stormx> hey MAPD
[10:13] <mark`> ill give 'synaptic' a try
[10:13] <keith_> im leaning towards fluxbox but open for suggestions
[10:13] <Stormx> keith_ - Fluxbox has bad GNOME support, are you on kubuntu?
[10:13] <BSG85> you got it burnboyy.. rem out the refresh rates.. then save the file and then do the 3 finger salute .. err.. ctrl alt and backspace
[10:14] <Stormx> mark` - Applications > System Tools > Add/Remove programs. Press "Advanced"
[10:14] <mark`> Stormx, originally i was doing it by hand since apt-get install gkrellm wasn't found
[10:14] <ekimus> hi, i feel the need of trying a new distro. now i was wondering since (k)unbuntu work on the large DEs if there is a way to just have let's say a windowmaker environment without even installing the qt/gtk/kde/gnome stuff initially
[10:14] <burnboyy> so set the refresh rates to 0?
[10:14] <kami> Stormx: got it
[10:14] <BSG85> no .. just # out the refresh rates all together
[10:14] <burnboyy> oh alright
[10:15] <burnboyy> just the # symbol in luie of numbers
[10:15] <tbasten> Thats for the help nerds. next time get a girlfriend
[10:15] <burnboyy> i'll probably blow its mine
[10:15] <burnboyy> errr mind
[10:15] <burnboyy> hehe
[10:16] <tlord> keith_: it's easy :)
[10:16] <tlord> Once you install it, the new GUI will be one of the choices you can reach from the Session link at bootup.
[10:16] <keith_> realllllllly
[10:16] <keith_> is there an apt-get for fluxboxand such?
[10:16] <tlord> That's what I found, anyhow.
[10:16] <lw> keith_: ys
[10:16] <lw> yes*
[10:16] <tlord> I have gnome, kde, blackbox, fluxbox ...
[10:16] <lw> keith_: sudo apt-get install fluxbox
[10:16] <tlord> Anything I can do, is by definition easy :)
[10:16] <BSG85> lol .. no # as the begining of the line with refresh rates
[10:16] <keith_> whic do you suggest
[10:16] <keith_> and fluxbox returns couldn't find package fluxbox
[10:16] <MAPD> gtg
[10:16] <MAPD> bye
[10:16] <lw> keith_: i suggest XFCE4
[10:17] <keith_> xfce4? ill look at it... but fluxbox returned no package
[10:17] <lw> yes, xfce4 is my fav
[10:17] <fredforfaen> xfce4 rocks
[10:17] <burnboyy> hmmmm
[10:17] <burnboyy> why can't i just set them to 0?
[10:17] <lw> keith_: you need the repositories
[10:17] <lw> !repos
[10:17] <keith_> repositories?
[10:17] <ubotu> repos is, like, at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:17] <BSG85> 0 is a number .. null is different from 0
[10:17] <lw> keith_: goto that URL
[10:17] <burnboyy> ok
[10:18] <tlord> keith_: frankly, I just like to switch around among them. the menu config for flubox and blackbox in Ubuntu is lacking IMO compared to that I've seen with other distros, and I am unqualified to play with the menu system.
[10:18] <BSG85> if null .. scan.. if 0 .. value specified
[10:18] <burnboyy> so null it shall be
[10:18] <tlord> For that reason, I also like GNOME with Ubuntu; it's built well around it.
[10:18] <tlord> KDE works great, too.
[10:18] <keith_> ooook
[10:18] <synd-> KDE is gross.
[10:18] <keith_> imma try ths xfce4 you guys suggested
[10:18] <keith_> never heard of it
[10:18] <Dr_Melectaus> Where is the XMMS skins foldeR?
[10:18] <tlord> Yes, that's also a nice one :)
[10:18] <burnboyy> it says Option "DPMS"
[10:18] <keith_> so now what do i do to add the repos?
[10:18] <burnboyy> what is that about?
[10:18] <BSG85> this is the best gnome setup I have seen out of the box :)
[10:18] <synd-> !repos
[10:18] <ubotu> repos is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:18] <bedi> Dr_Melectaus: /home/user/.xmms/Skins
[10:19] <synd-> go there keith_
[10:19] <synd-> what ubotu said
[10:19] <tlord> keith_: to me, xfce4 is not very visually attractive, but it's well-made otherwise and quite fast / lightweight.
[10:19] <BSG85> Display Power Management Signalling
[10:19] <burnboyy> ok
[10:19] <Chaotic_Reality> i just installed xmms via apt-get but when i open it up and then find an mp3 to play, then hit the play button it freezes up. :/
[10:19] <burnboyy> i'll leave that alone
[10:19] <burnboyy> hehe
[10:19] <tlord> keith_: And there's no accounting for taste :)
[10:19] <synd-> Chaotic_Reality: you need to fix the output plugin
[10:19] <burnboyy> hey if i'm not back in a minute its because i put the # in the wrong spot :P
[10:19] <burnboyy> hehe
[10:19] <Stormx> Chaotic_Reality - I HAD THE EXACT SAME PROBLEM
[10:19] <omeg> Hmm
[10:19] <Stormx> Chaotic_Reality, and guess what
[10:20] <synd-> Chaotic_Reality: in xmms's preferences
[10:20] <Stormx> Chaotic_Reality, it was damn easy to fix.
[10:20] <topyli> BSG85: yes it is. also, ubuntu releases a new "preview" version of the distro on the same day that a new gnome version comes out :)
[10:20] <erisco> how can I get adobe photoshop 6.0 running on ubuntu?
[10:20] <erisco> it is a windows version
[10:20] <Stormx> Chaotic_Reality, preferences > output plugin. Select eSound
[10:20] <synd-> Chaotic_Reality: you set the output plugin to what your system is using.
[10:20] <Stormx> erisco: You need wine.
[10:20] <burnboyy> hmmm it wont let me edit it, perhaps because it is running
[10:20] <synd-> Stormx: if he is using ALSA, then he needs to choose that and not eSound
[10:20] <omeg> I'm thinking it might be useful if there's an option to limit the screensaver in CPU power. Like, "only use 20% CPU power". When using a random screensaver, sometimes one is taken that uses too much processing power.
[10:20] <omeg> And that causes my laptop to start making a lot of nouse.
[10:20] <srodal> hmm, I set opera to open files with gnome-open exec, but when I try nothing happens, does anyone know why?
[10:21] <omeg> *noise
[10:21] <jatos1> hi
[10:21] <omeg> erisco: sorry, but you're not going to get Photoshop to run on Ubuntu.
[10:21] <Stormx> synd-, I had the same problem, and on a fresh install, eSound is not selected by default
[10:21] <topyli> erisco: your best bet is Crossover Office which is a commercial windows api emulator that costs money
[10:21] <Stormx> omeg: Shutup!
[10:21] <Stormx> omeg: Wrong bitch!
[10:21] <topyli> erisco: is something wrong with the gimp?
[10:21] <AndieB> Hi all... the Ubuntu Linux version 5.04 I've installed is shipped with OpenOffice 1.1.3, english version, I removed it and tried to install the swedish version, 1.1.4, but I didn't work, it asked for the CD and then installed the original version again, what to do?
[10:21] <synd-> erisco: The Gimp
[10:21] <synd-> end of story
[10:21] <Stormx> AndieB: There should be swedish language support for it.
[10:21] <omeg> Pardon!
[10:21] <omeg> Okay, so I'm wrong, but yeah.
[10:21] <omeg> Chill!
[10:21] <Chaotic_Reality> Stormx, synd-, that did it. thanks :)
[10:22] <burnboyy> i don't know i've opend xorg with the text editor but it wont let me make changes
[10:22] <Dr_Melectaus> I have a folder, and im trying to change the permissions so i can write to it, But it wont let me. Its so i can put a skin in for XMMS plaer
[10:22] <erisco> the gimp? could you elaborate what the gimp is?
[10:22] <Stormx> burnboyy, you need to do sudo.
[10:22] <AndieB> Stormx: Oki, the menus and all?
[10:22] <omeg> I'd like to see a screenshot of Ubuntu running Photoshop.
[10:22] <synd-> erisco: similar to Photoshot, but OSS
[10:22] <burnboyy> where is that at?
[10:22] <BSG85> sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:22] <erisco> oh that program
[10:22] <synd-> erisco: google it
[10:22] <BSG85> you don't have priv to the file
[10:22] <Stormx> AndieB: Should do
[10:22] <erisco> yes i have it
[10:22] <erisco> what about this wine?
[10:22] <burnboyy> hmmm
[10:23] <erisco> i know i downloaded one
[10:23] <topyli> erisco: the GNU Image Manipulating Program. i bet it's already installed on your ubuntu machine
[10:23] <erisco> what about wine?
[10:23] <synd-> erisco: what about it?
[10:23] <topyli> erisco: good luck with wine :)
[10:23] <keith_> what do i type to download xfce?
[10:23] <synd-> wine is not fun
[10:23] <derf> does anyone know of a way of switching the default outgoing subinterface on an ethernet device to the lowest numbered subinterface instead of the highest humbered subinterface?
[10:23] <Ju1ce> i bet you can't get photoshop running with wine.
[10:23] <synd-> .exe's are not fun
[10:23] <derf> s/humber/number/
[10:23] <Stormx> synd-, wine is fun ;-)
[10:23] <Dr_Melectaus> could someone help me,I have a folder, and im trying to change the permissions so i can write to it, But it wont let me. Its so i can put a skin in for XMMS plaer
[10:24] <synd-> wine sucks
[10:24] <keith_> hmmm i did the repository things and it sstill isnt working...
[10:24] <topyli> erisco: pay codeweavers and buy crossover office, so you can run many windows programs. but really, it's not necessary
[10:24] <{cYanide}> hey er
[10:24] <synd-> keith_: are you typing sudo
[10:24] <{cYanide}> is there a way to reinstall the grud bootloader?
[10:24] <{cYanide}> and leave the rest intact
[10:24] <{cYanide}> er grub
[10:24] <topyli> yes, but it's not straightforward
[10:24] <BSG85> use chmod
[10:24] <synd-> hmm
[10:24] <{cYanide}> er
[10:24] <{cYanide}> i cant get into linux
[10:24] <{cYanide}> no bootloader
[10:25] <Stormx> xD
[10:25] <{cYanide}> (well i cant, maybe there is a way)
[10:25] <Stormx> How did you manage that?!
[10:25] <{cYanide}> er
[10:25] <derf> {cYanide}: grub-install as root
[10:25] <{cYanide}> bad accident with partition magic:/
[10:25] <{cYanide}> lol
[10:25] <Stormx> rofl.
[10:25] <burnboyy> i've been getting to xorg through the file manager
[10:25] <BSG85> Dr_Melectaus use chmod to change dir privs
[10:25] <burnboyy> there is no sudo vi dir
[10:25] <topyli> {cYanide}: in short: boot from a live cd or whatever to get into linux. chroot to your root partition. run grub-install
[10:25] <{cYanide}> sh
[10:25] <{cYanide}> rt
[10:25] <{cYanide}> erm
[10:25] <{cYanide}> i have... the install cd
[10:25] <BSG85> burnboyy type .. sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:25] <Stormx> burnboyy: sudo gedit /path/to/xorg/thefilehere.
[10:26] <AndieB> Java Runtime Enviroment, how in the hell do I install that...
[10:26] <burnboyy> where do you put that at?
[10:26] <burnboyy> there is no command line this is GUI
[10:26] <Dr_Melectaus> BSG85, how d i do that?
[10:26] <Stormx> burnboyy - in terminal.
[10:26] <burnboyy> OH
[10:26] <burnboyy> well why didn't you say so :P
[10:26] <burnboyy> sweet
[10:26] <Stormx> Cause its kinda obvios x.X
[10:26] <Chaotic_Reality> Is it possible to change the outgoing port from 25 to something different using Evolution?
[10:27] <Dr_Melectaus> BSG85, how d i do use chmod to change the dir privs?
[10:27] <Stormx> Chaotic_Reality, its kinda traditional for mail to be on port 25
[10:27] <Chaotic_Reality> not if you use a major ISP in todays world :/
[10:27] <BSG85> what privs do you watn? if you want to open to all then chmod -R 777 <dirname>
[10:28] <Chaotic_Reality> I could use my ISPs outgoing mail server instead of mine but i'd rather not. Might have to use thunderbird
[10:28] <AndieB> .
[10:28] <BSG85> if you want to learn about chmod goto http://catcode.com/teachmod/ everything u need to know is there
[10:29] <dazjorz> bonjour
[10:29] <dazjorz> lol
[10:29] <keith_> sorry about that got dced
[10:29] <shawarma> I need help with pbuilder... I want to use it to build a package, but I have another homegrown package that it depends on.. If I use --extrapackages it looks in the relevant repositories, but that's not what I want..
[10:29] <dazjorz> someone knows about a good unrar program ?
[10:29] <keith_> its still saying it cant find the xfce package
[10:29] <dazjorz> I used apt-get install unrar
[10:29] <shawarma> dazjorz: unrar, perhaps?
[10:29] <synd-> keith_: xfce4
[10:29] <dazjorz> but it gives me some shitty program that fails unrarring
[10:30] <shawarma> dazjorz: Try rar instead.
[10:30] <dazjorz> 33 files faile
[10:30] <dazjorz> thanks
[10:30] <Dr_Melectaus> BSG85, im in the dir just down. what the syntax to open it to all users with full permissions
[10:30] <dazjorz> Yeehaa, it worked ;-D
[10:30] <burnboyy> hmmm well it is blank in the terminal and says new file
[10:30] <dazjorz> Dammit
[10:30] <BSG85> chmod -R 777 <directoryname> that will open it to all
[10:31] <keith_> still aint workin
[10:31] <burnboyy> do i have to paste my old xorg in there and save somehow?
[10:31] <dazjorz> now i've got all these files in my current directory -.-'
[10:31] <Dr_Melectaus> cheers BSG85
[10:31] <BSG85> no burnboyy u have a spelling mistake somewhere
[10:31] <BSG85> u r most welcome Dr_Melectaus
[10:31] <burnboyy> hmmm
[10:31] <bimberi> !java
[10:31] <Woxxy> Hi there! My father and my half-brother are just starting out with linux and they basically just wants to surf the web, check their e-mail, write some word-documents, look at some .pdfs and listen to music while chatting with friends. Which dist of ubuntu would be the best?
[10:31] <ubotu> [java] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[10:31] <dazjorz> wtf
[10:31] <burnboyy> i've tried a few
[10:32] <dazjorz> sdl-config: Command not found
[10:32] <dazjorz> gonna apt-get it
[10:32] <burnboyy> you wanted a space at sudo vi/ right?
[10:32] <dazjorz> can't find...
[10:32] <bimberi> AndieB: The java install info is in ubotu's post above :)
[10:32] <synd-> cant remember, where is sources.list
[10:32] <BSG85> okay easier way
[10:32] <Woxxy> thing is, they've been using winxp up until now, but i won't touch that computer anymore cause they always manage to get tons of spyware and viruses.
[10:32] <BSG85> type exactly what I type :)
[10:32] <burnboyy> LOL
[10:32] <BSG85> cd /etc/X11
[10:32] <burnboyy> i did before
[10:32] <Woxxy> so i decided to install ubuntu for them :)
[10:32] <Woxxy> anyone?
[10:32] <icewt> Woxxy, err.. the latest release of ubuntu
[10:32] <BSG85> when u r in the dir
[10:32] <BSG85> type
[10:32] <synd-> cant remember, where is sources.list
[10:33] <{cYanide}> im back erm
[10:33] <bimberi> Woxxy: This is a funny place to ask :) - ubuntu of course !!!
[10:33] <Woxxy> icewt: kubuntu, edubuntu or just plain ubuntu?
[10:33] <BSG85> sudo vi xorg.conf
[10:33] <Woxxy> bimberi: yeah, i know i want ubuntu, just not which one of those three
[10:33] <sun> yahoo! i got my Audigy 2 Value soundcard working :)
[10:33] <{cYanide}> im not sure how to er start the grub install,
[10:33] <vader1102> Woxxy: I have been using Hoary Ubuntu for 2 weeks now and it took very little setup for it
[10:33] <ogra> Woxxy, you dont want edubuntu :)
[10:33] <{cYanide}> all i have is the install cd
[10:33] <burnboyy> hmmm
[10:33] <ogra> Woxxy, its not installable currently
[10:34] <bimberi> Woxxy: k - yes, not edubuntu, but either of the other two and it comes down to personal preferences
[10:34] <Woxxy> i've tried kubuntu for a while, but i just think it seems so bloated, but maybe they'll find it easier than gnome
[10:34] <keith_> got it to work
[10:34] <keith_> thanks guys
[10:34] <{cYanide}> so er
[10:34] <{cYanide}> how would i reinstall grub again?
[10:34] <Woxxy> well... visually, i find gnome more attractive... guess i'll go with regular ubuntu then
[10:34] <burnboyy> hah jackpot
[10:34] <darkheart> Hello. I was trying out vnc on my Ubuntu box and everything seemed to work fine. However, when I logged into the X session, a window popped up saying something about conflicting settings with the X keyboard and gnome keyboard settings or such. I chose to go with the Gnome keyboard. Unfortuantely, when I try to type something in the vnc session, it seems the keys are mapped incorrectly. Where would I go to change that?
[10:34] <BSG85> Woot
[10:34] <burnboyy> the command lines are a bit different then dos
[10:34] <Chaotic_Reality> what is the best way to uninstall things? can you do ap-get uninstall <packagename> ?
[10:34] <Woxxy> thanks, i was just wondering about edubuntu
[10:35] <{cYanide}> _
[10:35] <burnboyy> i can't believe you can have spaces in command lines
[10:35] <Stormx> huh?
[10:35] <Stormx> You CAN have spaces...
[10:35] <Kyral> like in filenames he means
[10:35] <Stormx> you just need to escape them.
[10:35] <Kyral> but you have to escape him
[10:35] <burnboyy> ya that is weird
[10:35] <Kyral> err
[10:35] <Kyral> them
[10:35] <darkheart> Chaotic_Reality It's apt-get remove <packagename>
[10:35] <bimberi> Woxxy: edubuntu is oriented towards use in schools
[10:35] <burnboyy> dos never allowed that
[10:35] <Kyral> DAMNIT!
[10:35] <BSG85> Chaotic_Reality get synaptic if you are new to apt
[10:35] <Chaotic_Reality> darkheart, thanks.
[10:35] <Chaotic_Reality> BSG85, whats that do?
[10:36] <Kyral> Chaotic_Reality, its the GUI frontend to Apt
[10:36] <Chaotic_Reality> BSG85, i understand apt-get, just need to get the syntax of everything down...i'm coming from a freebsd background mostly
[10:36] <BSG85> Chaotic_Reality gui interface .. does everything apt does.. only u don't have to worry about corrupting anything
[10:36] <Kyral> corrupting?
[10:36] <BSG85> ooo a fella BSder :) ... WOOT
[10:36] <Kyral> since when the hell can you corrupt with Apt?
[10:36] <Azmodan> Is it possible to make Ubuntu automatically run a command at shutdown ?
[10:36] <topyli> how does apt corrupt things?
[10:37] <Stormx> Chaotic_Reality: Use synaptic, you 1338 f00
[10:37] <BSG85> u do .. and it's not nice when the db is corrupt .. then u fix it .. and that's a pain
[10:37] <Stormx> xD
[10:37] <Chaotic_Reality> is synaptic this software updates icon next to my lan icon and sound at the top right in ubuntu?
[10:37] <Kyral> No offense BSG85, but what are you on?
[10:37] <burnboyy> BSG85 well the file opend but it is just an expanation, the xorg.conf doesn't have the refresh rate
[10:38] <burnboyy> just some font stuff and directions to the manual
[10:38] <nJess> how does a gui that still uses the sli program prvent an "error" for the cli program?
[10:38] <BSG85> will it was something very nice :) Kyral but I am not .. and yes it is possible to mess things up really bad with apt.. it's not something new
[10:38] <nJess> cli program8
[10:38] <dazjorz> how do I install the KDE desktop ?
[10:38] <dazjorz> just kubuntu-desktop ?
[10:38] <dazjorz> apt-get kubuntu-desktop ?
[10:39] <mabel> I want to apt-get install a language pack for mozilla-firefox, but it's not in my repository. What can I do?
[10:39] <Tomcat_> dazjorz: Should be it.
[10:39] <Kyral> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:39] <Stormx> mabel: you can download it as a .deb and isntall it.
[10:39] <Dr_Melectaus> Is there a Tutorial for installing XMMS skins on ubuntu?
[10:39] <dazjorz> Ok.
[10:39] <Tomcat_> Dr_Melectaus: Checked ubuntuforums?
[10:39] <Stormx> Dr_Melectaus: Its easy.
[10:39] <darkheart> Anyone have any idea on why the keyboard is mapped incorrectly for my vnc session? (i.e. pushing 'f' output 'h')
[10:39] <Dr_Melectaus> Tomcat_, good call ;)
[10:39] <topyli> BSG85: well, if you can mess up stuff with apt, then you certainly can do the same with synaptic
[10:40] <crashd> how do you edit the launchbar in metacity?
[10:40] <mabel> Stormx, how would I install it?
[10:40] <Dr_Melectaus> Stormx, fancy telling me in pm. i turned the file into a .gz, and put it in th skins dir but that didnt work
[10:40] <BSG85> I totally agree Topyli
[10:40] <Stormx> dpkg -i <package name>
[10:40] <Stormx> Will install a .deb file.
[10:41] <Kyral> forgot the sudo
[10:41] <darkheart> Dr_Melectaus Just throw the skins in your ~/.xmms/Skins folder and that should do it.
[10:41] <Stormx> Yep darkheart
[10:42] <topyli> :)
[10:42] <Dr_Melectaus> k darkheart
[10:42] <darkheart> I use xmms...Get some kind of error when trying to use Rhythmbox about not having anything to decode my mp3s.
[10:42] <crashd> use bmp!
[10:42] <synd-> topyli: beep media?
[10:42] <crashd> it's teh shit ;P
[10:42] <Stormx> BMP basicly IS XMMS xD
[10:42] <crashd> well
[10:43] <crashd> xmms with gtk2 ;)
[10:43] <crashd> which is far superior
[10:43] <synd-> Stormx: not exactly
[10:43] <Stormx> synd-: but pretty close.
[10:43] <topyli> synd-: i use rhythmbox mostly, but muine is pretty cool as well
[10:43] <djp> topyli, i am more than happy with rhythmbox... however i do currently need to use ogg123 in order to playback streaming radio as rhythmbox does have an issue with this at the current time
[10:43] <Stormx> bah
[10:43] <Tomcat_> rhythmbox \o/
[10:43] <crashd> how do you edit the launchbar in gnome ?
[10:43] <amp> howdy folks. just installed ubuntu (woo hoo!) I don't remember setting the root password during the install. Now I don't know what it is. How to change?
[10:43] <Tomcat_> crashd: Right click, add something.
[10:43] <Stormx> I love how you can use winamp skins with XMMS 2
[10:43] <crashd> Tomcat_: i tried that earlier :\
[10:43] <crashd> hmm
[10:43] <synd-> amp: you dont need root
[10:43] <topyli> djp: it does? my rhythmbox seems to be doing just fine
[10:43] <crashd> maybe my mouse is playing up
[10:43] <Stormx> I'm using the default winamp 5 skin ;-)
[10:44] <synd-> amp: sudo takes care of root for you
[10:44] <darkheart> amp root password is the user password.
[10:44] <AnD-> Question: How can I install the gnu c++ compiler with the apt-get command, apt-get install c++ doesn't work ?
[10:44] <djp> topyli: not with ogg streams no. you probably use mp3 streaming
[10:44] <bimberi> amp: there is none, the root account is disabled and you use sudo for superuser access
[10:44] <Chaotic_Reality> sweet. you can change the outgoing port in thunderbird. bye bye evolution
[10:44] <Goodspeed> how do i cahnge folder permissions?
[10:44] <synd-> AnD-: sudo apt-get isntall build-essential
[10:44] <crashd> another thing that gripes me about metacity is the way it seems to take up more screenspace than it should
[10:44] <topyli> djp: yes, i mostly listen to somafm which has mp3 IIRC
[10:44] <AnD-> ok thanks
[10:44] <amp> so when I try to run the ubuntu update manager, and it prompts me for a password, what password do I provide?
[10:45] <Kyral> your user password
[10:45] <darkheart> amp your password
[10:45] <amp> okee dokee
[10:45] <synd-> amp: the password you entered when you installed ubuntu
[10:45] <synd-> entered/created
[10:45] <djp> topyli: mp3 streams are fine, it is ogg streams that have the problem. basically the first track will play fine, then when a second starts an error will occur...
[10:45] <Goodspeed> how do i change folder permissions?
[10:45] <darkheart> Is there a place to set the keyboard layout inside gnome?
[10:45] <bimberi> amp: that is - your user password
[10:45] <amp> so is the ubuntu update manager the "package manager"? I need to have emacs and it's not there by default.
[10:45] <djp> can't remeber the error message but it is logged as a bug with the maintainers of rhythmbox
[10:45] <darkheart> Goodspeed man chmod
[10:45] <bimberi> Goodspeed: chmod and chown
[10:45] <Ju1ce> Goodspeed: chmod
[10:46] <topyli> djp: actually, i'd use muine much more if it would handle streams. but stream support is not planned
[10:46] <Goodspeed> chmod what
[10:46] <Goodspeed> help
[10:46] <Goodspeed> nm
[10:46] <Ju1ce> chmod permissions file
[10:46] <whitti> Goodspeed: ie. chmod -R 755 folder
[10:46] <djp> ogg123 works fine for my ogg streams, so not really a big hassle. will just wait for a fix in rhythmbox ;)
[10:46] <Goodspeed> would that give me access to the folder?
[10:46] <KeeganW> I am about ready to trash ubuntu, I have been working for 2 days to get ndiswrapper to work, the people at the ndiswrapper IRC channel tell me it is a problem with the kernel
[10:46] <tlord___> In light of this discussion re: sudo / root, I wonder if anyone could tell me what I might have done to make my system (Hoary) stop recognizing me as its root and master? I can log in and do normal user things, but when I want to do anything that requires superuser power, it refuses to recognize my password. Any ideas?!
[10:46] <darkheart> Goodspeed Only if you own it. you can't chmod a file you don't own.
[10:47] <Goodspeed> even under root?
[10:47] <bimberi> amp: yes - system -> administration -> synaptic package manager
[10:47] <darkheart> Goodspeed root can do anything.
[10:47] <KeeganW> it says the driver is installed, but it does not show up under networking
[10:47] <topyli> djp: well, you don't need much of an interface to listen to a radio stream all day :)
[10:47] <bimberi> amp: more info here ...
[10:47] <djp> exactly! :)
[10:47] <bimberi> !synaptic
[10:47] <ubotu> methinks synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[10:47] <djp> i even launch a lot of my music from emacs!
[10:47] <Goodspeed> how would i give my self access to a folder
[10:47] <Goodspeed> not just root
[10:48] <KeeganW> & I can't do anything with SUDO
[10:48] <topyli> djp: very leet ;)
[10:48] <lee> djp, what is your operating system. ubuntu or emacs? ;)
[10:48] <djp> ALT-X emms-play-all! ;)
[10:48] <bimberi> Goodspeed: chown <your-user-name> <foldername>
[10:48] <topyli> lee: emacs of course. linux just provides the device drivers
[10:48] <djp> lee: i do have to ask myself sometimes! ;)
[10:48] <lee> but of course!
[10:48] <{cYanide}> hey
[10:49] <Goodspeed> -R to do the entire directory?
[10:49] <{cYanide}> i fixed the grub, er i basically started the installer, canceled, skipped to the er grub installer
[10:49] <topyli> haha
[10:49] <{cYanide}> BUT im wondering, where does the installer leave temp packages? etc it installs from
[10:49] <darkheart> Goodspeed You are gonna break something if you chmod -R the / directory.
[10:49] <bimberi> tlord___: are you using the account you created during install?
[10:49] <Goodspeed> nooo
[10:49] <{cYanide}> i think i might have some tmp files around
[10:49] <Goodspeed> the wine directory
[10:49] <Goodspeed> dont worry
[10:49] <Goodspeed> :)
[10:49] <tlord___> bimberi: yup.
[10:49] <tlord___> It worked fine for quite some time :)
[10:50] <tlord___> But about a month ago went crazy.
[10:50] <MagiPink> I don't suppose anyone knows if there's a Share client for linux? :D
[10:50] <topyli> {cYanide}: /var/cache/apt/archives
[10:50] <darkheart> MagiPink What do you mean share?
[10:51] <omeg> Argh
[10:51] <MagiPink> I mean Share. The filesharing program. :3
[10:51] <topyli> share directories or share pr0n? :)
[10:51] <omeg> Downloading updates at 1200 B/s
[10:51] <MagiPink> It's called share. Heh.
[10:51] <tlord___> bimberi: I've been busy (and low on bandwidth) in that time, figured I would just burn the live CD iso and boot into it, then see if that let me edit appropriate files, but ... I can't even get it to boot from the Live CD now. (This is on an iBook; I hold down D at boot to force it to boot from the optical drive, but it's not working ...)
[10:51] <vader1102> MagiPink: do you mean p2p?
[10:51] <darkheart> MagiPink I see..No idea in that case.
[10:51] <omeg> This reminds me of my 14.4k modem...
[10:51] <Pega> vader1102, he means share
[10:51] <BSG85> do u mean like bittorrent?
[10:51] <Pega> :P
[10:51] <vader1102> k
[10:51] <topyli> MagiPink: never heard. there are clients for many networks, like gnutella
[10:51] <vader1102> I will stay out of it then
[10:52] <bimberi> tlord___: hm - i was about to suggest booting from the livecd too :)
[10:52] <MagiPink> It's a Japanese program... and pretty much the only thing I feel the need to switch over to my windows partition for. xD
[10:52] <Pega> I njever heard of share either, but I guess it is some protocol too... :P
[10:52] <{cYanide}> topyli, is that the only place the install stores stuff?
[10:52] <{cYanide}> cuz er the "base installer" started but i reset before it actually did bits
[10:52] <darkheart> MagiPink Try running it with wine.
[10:52] <{cYanide}> (but it was doing package stuff)
[10:52] <topyli> {cYanide}: the packages, yes
[10:53] <MagiPink> darkheart: I did... Doesn't work. ^^
[10:53] <Choubaka> Hm
[10:53] <{cYanide}> cool so i can remove all that?
[10:53] <Choubaka> Share and Winny don't work with wine unless you apply magicks
[10:53] <darkheart> MagiPink And you don't know what network it runs on?
[10:53] <bimberi> tlord___: open a terminal and type "groups", do you see an "admin" group in the list?
[10:53] <MagiPink> darkheart: No, not at all. :3
[10:53] <MagiPink> Choubaka: Eh?
[10:54] <darkheart> MagiPink I would try to find that out, then search for a linux client that supports that network.
[10:54] <Choubaka> darkheart: it's probably their own invention.
[10:54] <tlord___> bimberi: hold a sec :)
[10:54] <Pega> Everything good comes from japan. May it be anime, schoolgirls, or tentacle monsters raping schoolgirls in anime, it comes from japan. How am I not suprised that good file sharing programs come from japan too. MagiPink, does that program happen to habe tentacles in all the buttons and menus?
[10:54] <darkheart> Choubaka Yeah, you are probably right.
[10:54] <Choubaka> MagiPink: I found some instructions to make _winny_ work with wine.
[10:54] <tlord___> bimberi: Yes, "admin" is there.
[10:54] <Choubaka> I suppose they might be applicable to share too, since they mostly had to do with proper SJIS encoding support.
[10:54] <omeg> Hey, just curious: is there anybody else here who turned off anti-aliasing hinting? I think everything looks much better without it.
[10:55] <MagiPink> How keen. :3
[10:55] <Choubaka> MagiPink: however, that how-to required patching wine sources and stabbing the configs :(
[10:55] <Choubaka> so I didn't bother.
[10:55] <Pega> Anyways. Good nite everyone.
[10:55] <Stormx> I HAV RETURN'D AFTER MANY A PROBLEM BE SOLVED FOR YE NEWBIES!!!
[10:55] <crimsun> ...
[10:56] <Choubaka> Good to hear that.
[10:56] <Stormx> I thought so.
[10:56] <darkheart> Stormx You can solve my problem then =)
[10:56] <MagiPink> Choubaka: I think I'll just stick to having to switch over to windows for the one little thing then, as it seems I might break something if I tried. xD
[10:56] <Stormx> ok, what is your problem?
[10:56] <BSG85> bye guys .. I am gonna go swtich my wife off from Suse to Ubuntu :)
[10:56] <nubbe> How do I remove the text and decrease the size of icons in the nautilus "navigation bar" (with back forward home and so on)?
[10:56] <Stormx> nubbe: its in edit > preferences
[10:57] <bimberi> tlord___: You'll need to boot to recovery mode (for superuser access) and check the file /etc/sudoers
[10:57] <darkheart> Stormx I wanted to get vnc working. Everything did work fine (install, etc) but when I first loaded up my vnc session, I got a window telling me that there was a settings conflict between X and Gnome and asking me which I wanted to use. I chose Gnome. Now it seems the keys are mapped incorrectly. Pressing 'f' results in 'h' being ouputted.
[10:57] <tlord___> how do I boot to recovery mode?
[10:57] <crimsun> tlord___: choose the Rescue boot option
[10:57] <tlord___> bimberi: how do I boot to recovery mode? :)
[10:57] <tlord___> Ah, thanks.
[10:57] <jeffm> hey guys
[10:57] <tlord___> when I check that file, what might I then do?
[10:58] <Stormx> darkheart: haha. Tried removing it and re-installing?
[10:58] <bimberi> tlord___: it should be a boot option in grub when booting (note - i don't know PPC well though)
[10:58] <jeffm> holy crap there are alot of people in here
[10:58] <lamont> if youre booting livecd, sudo -s gets you a root shell with no password
[10:58] <darkheart> Stormx Hehe I thought about it. What's the command line to remove a package including all config files?
[10:58] <lamont> but that's probably not the question..
[10:58] <nubbe> Stormx, it is? Pls walk me thru it because I've looked a good many times.
[10:59] <Ju1ce> today I realized both Linux and irc are coming from the same country.
[10:59] <tlord___> bimberi: much appreciated! I will play a bit. First, I'm copying off what I can from the hard disk; I *can* mount an external disk (no su password required) and transfer off my various artifacts.
[10:59] <tlord___> I may be back on later, but not tonight ;)
[10:59] <bimberi> tlord___: I the following line in /etc/sudoers:
[10:59] <mgorbach228> Can someone help me out with installing ATI video card drivers?
[10:59] <mgorbach228> i just installed ubuntu and its not detecting the card
[10:59] <{cYanide}> er does anyone know how big on average the ubuntu install is?
[10:59] <mabel> It's downloading hell slow from Ubuntu's repositories? How can I find another mirror or something?
[10:59] <topyli> nubbe: actually, nautilus follows the gnome default which you can set in system -> prefs -> toolbars
[11:00] <bimberi> tlord___: dave ALL=(ALL) ALL
[11:00] <Stormx> darkheart: Use synaptic
[11:00] <bimberi> tlord___: (where "dave" is my username)
[11:00] <mgorbach228> anyone?
[11:00] <bimberi> tlord___: you should have something similar
[11:00] <tlord___> ok
[11:00] <darkheart> Stormx Yeah..I will try that, but the problem is that I'm at work right now. So I have to use command line.
[11:00] <Stormx> {cYanide} not that big.
[11:01] <nubbe> topyli, Thanks a whole bunch, just what I was looking for :)
[11:01] <{cYanide}> just paranoid now, its using 1.5ish gig, with all updates and few other bits
[11:01] <vladuz976> anybody having trouble with the nvidia drivers
[11:01] <{cYanide}> (paranoid about temp files left over from my dodgy grub reinstall)
[11:01] <bimberi> !tell mgorbach228 about ati
[11:02] <Stormx> topyli: I can't see that >_>
[11:02] <BSG85> Later Sormx :)
[11:02] <Stormx> cya ;-)
[11:03] <Stormx> !HELP MEH PLZ
[11:03] <BSG85> don't type too much :)
[11:03] <BSG85> LOL
[11:03] <burnboyy> ummm
[11:03] <Stormx> !help
[11:03] <topyli> Stormx: are you using ubuntu? :) system - prefs - menus and toolbars, change "toolbar button labels"
[11:03] <burnboyy> BSG85 now i'm stuck in 640X480 mode
[11:03] <Stormx> topyli: Yeh I saw that. Is there an equivilant for Fedora's Nauticus, though?
[11:03] <burnboyy> and the pic is still off center
[11:03] <Stormx> xD
[11:04] <{cYanide}> burnboyy er edit your monitor refresh /sync?
[11:04] <topyli> Stormx: no idea. does fedora ship gnome 2.10?
[11:04] <topyli> it's a gnome setting
[11:05] <Stormx> topyli: How can I get a location bar, along with up, backwards and forwards buttons in Nautilus?
[11:05] <ags06> has anyone gotten realplayer to work in ubuntu
[11:05] <Stormx> Why would you want realplayer?
[11:05] <ags06> how then would i play rm files
[11:05] <{cYanide}> i got realplayer n acrobat on me mobile XD
[11:05] <BSG85> realplayer working great under ubuntu :)
[11:06] <ags06> mine install fine without errors but fails to start
[11:06] <synd-> ags06: use totem-xine
[11:06] <topyli> Stormx: use the old-style browser mode. right click on any folder and choose "browse folder", or choose "file browser" from the applications -> system menu
[11:06] <avanspronsen> darkheart: try sudo apt-get --purge remove <package>
[11:07] <nubbe> topyli, What is "Editable menu accelerators"? It isn't covered in help...
[11:07] <Stormx> haha topyli: thats still nautilus!
[11:07] <Stormx> nautilus --no-desktop --browser %U
[11:07] <MagiPink> explore2fs just become one of my new best friends. :3
[11:07] <darkheart> avanspronsen Hey =) Just tried that. Although the reinstall didn't fix anything.
[11:09] <topyli> Stormx: of course
[11:09] <lurah> hmm
[11:09] <ags06> have anyone noticed that when installing certain packages the mouse (ps/2) would seize to work
[11:10] <ags06> the development ones
[11:10] <topyli> nubbe: i seem to remember there's a keyboard hack where you can hover over a menu item and press a key and it will be your new shortcut to that item
[11:10] <Stormx> topyli: you smartass ;-)
[11:10] <vader1102> ok, I have a valid win98 EULA and I am trying to run a popular chat on wine, but the problem is when I right click the the file and choos open with wine, it opens the setup but and I find that it cannot write the shortcuts, I cannot find where it puts the program to run, what am I doing wrong?
[11:10] <lurah> do i have a problem here or im i just stupid. when ill go root terminal, sometimes it wants password but sometimes wont. also when i install something, it wants password sometimesd but sometimes wont?
[11:10] <topyli> nubbe: that's it. hover the mouse on an item and press ctrl+<any-key> to set that as the shortcut
[11:11] <topyli> Stormx: heh
[11:11] <bimberi> lurah: no problem :) - once you put the password in it doesn't ask again for 15 minutes
[11:11] <darkheart> lurah Time delay..Once you authenticate you don't have to do it again for a while. But after a certain amount of time, you gotta do it again.
[11:11] <BSG85> where is the anykey?
[11:11] <Stormx> lurah: It depends on whether you need the password. On linux systems, you just don't control everything
[11:11] <nubbe> topyli, Yeah, thanks again
[11:11] <lurah> bimberi, ok, its ok imho :D
[11:11] <topyli> Stormx: ph33r my gn0m3 skillz!
[11:11] <Stormx> toptli:OMGWTFBBQ!
[11:12] <BSG85> ROFLMAO
[11:12] <topyli> heh
[11:12] <BSG85> night night
[11:12] <vladuz976> {look;find;talk;grep;touch;finger;find;flex;unzip; mount;workbone;
[11:12] <vladuz976> fsck;yes;gasp;fsck;yes;eject;umount;makeclean;zip; split;done;exit}
[11:12] <topyli> bah. old
[11:12] <Stormx> topyli: You are so 1337 that your 1338
[11:12] <topyli> Stormx: and don't you forget it :)
[11:13] <pvh> Hi, I'm running Kubuntu Hoary and I'm getting hard lockups. I haven't been able to find anything in the forums or the logs that might clue me in to the problem.
[11:13] <topyli> lol
[11:13] <Stormx> ^_______________________________________________________________^;;
[11:13] <darkheart> Where do gnome and X set the keyboard mapping?
[11:13] <synd-> naim is amazing
[11:13] <pvh> A list of symptoms: My display locks up, but the pointer keeps moving. If I am listening to a song, it plays to the end but the next one doesn't start. I can SSH in and see that xorg is eating all my ticks, but it can't be killed by any means.
[11:14] <topyli> synd-: that's the ncurses app?
[11:14] <pvh> I'm not running DAMAGE or RENDER.
[11:14] <synd-> topyli: CLI aim app
[11:14] <topyli> yeah
[11:14] <synd-> dunno what ncurses is..
[11:15] <pvh> The crash seems to happen at random -- I thought it was firefox so I started using Konq more, but it crashes in Konq too.
[11:15] <topyli> synd-: it's a library for console apps to make simple guis. like mc and aptitude and many others
[11:15] <pvh> s/crashes/freezes/
[11:15] <synd-> topyli: ah, ok
[11:15] <pvh> My system is so unstable now that I've actually been booting into windows when I need to do anything serious.
[11:15] <topyli> very disturbing
[11:15] <Stormx> pvh: don't use kubuntu
[11:15] <Azmodan> I chose to have the clock based on GMT during the install but I changed my mind (another hard disk running windows). Which file do I have to change ?
[11:15] <pvh> Stormx: is it known to have freeze bugs?
[11:16] <pvh> Stormx: I didn't see anything that matched my symptoms in the forums.
[11:16] <Stormx> pvh: Don't know, but ubuntu is the more mainstream so I'd imagine it has better support for different setups
[11:16] <topyli> pvh: might be hardware too
[11:16] <pvh> Stormx: Oh, right. I forgot to mention that -- my girlfriend is using a Gnome session and reports lockups too.
[11:17] <pvh> topyli: That's my fear. Can you recommend a diagnostic tool?
[11:17] <Stormx> :-/
[11:17] <Stormx> What are your system specs?
[11:17] <pvh> The worst is that my filesystem is getting munged.
[11:17] <mgorbach228> can someone explain why i dont have an /etc/x11/xorg.conf file?
[11:17] <pvh> AMD Athlon 1800XP, Geforce Ti4400
[11:17] <mgorbach228> or an /etc/x11 directory at all??
[11:18] <topyli> pvh: for RAM, there's memtest86. for disks, smartmontools. for processors, crash (or something like crash)
[11:18] <pvh> topyli: Thanks a lot.
[11:18] <mgorbach228> someone? please?
[11:18] <mgorbach228> lol nm .. wrong caps
[11:18] <carlson> mgorbach228, yes?
[11:18] <Stormx> mgorbach: You've installed ubuntu?
[11:19] <topyli> pvh: no, crash is a kernel debugging utility. crashme is a better general stress test
[11:19] <pvh> Stormx: And to you as well. Thanks.
[11:19] <pvh> topyli: Perfect.
[11:19] <Stormx> OK I'll brb
[11:19] <carlson> how about running ununtu as a server? is it a good idea?
[11:20] <MagiPink> Huh... If I was to use VMware or some such to have a small virtual windows machine running in Ubuntu, is there a way to get files from my Ubuntu into the virtual machine?
[11:20] <Stormx> !How much do you love me?
[11:20] <ubotu> Stormx: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[11:20] <Stormx> rofl
[11:20] <carlson> MagiPink, I am running right now ubuntu on vmware :) and theres a way
[11:20] <Stormx> !What is the meaning of life?
[11:20] <ubotu> I think you lost me on that one, Stormx
[11:20] <carlson> MagiPink, you have to configure samba and the network settings for vmware
[11:21] <Stormx> !What is ubuntu?
[11:21] <ubotu> Stormx: what are you talking about?
[11:21] <MagiPink> How keen.
[11:21] <Stormx> !help What is Ubuntu?
[11:21] <Stormx> !help
[11:21] <synd-> Stormx: play with the bot in PM, please
[11:21] <avanspronsen> MagiPink: You can use VMWare shared folders to do just that
[11:21] <Stormx> synd-: I am
[11:21] <MagiPink> Thank you. :D
[11:22] <avanspronsen> MagiPink: Shared folders can be found on the settings tab under VM
[11:22] <Stormx> synd-: It doesn't reply when i PM it.
[11:22] <Stormx> anyway, bbr
[11:22] <synd-> Stormx: take off the !
[11:22] <MagiPink> avanspronsen: Thans. :)
[11:22] <MagiPink> Thanks*
[11:23] <avanspronsen> MagiPink: NP
[11:23] <MagiPink> Well, speaking of which... I need to bop over to my Ubuntu partition, as windows tires me... BRB. xD
[11:26] <MagiPink> That's the stuff.
[11:27] <a514> Hi the Live CD works great. What option do i use at the boot prompt for a textmode cli?
[11:28] <Dr_Fate> FF stopped browsing
[11:28] <Dr_Fate> WTF is wrong with this browser
[11:28] <Bubbling_Zombie> a514
[11:28] <Dr_Fate> I have never had so many problems with it
[11:28] <Bubbling_Zombie> use ctrl + alt +F1
[11:28] <a514> Dr_Fate go to about and check the version for 1.0.6
[11:29] <Dr_Fate> its the right version
[11:30] <Dr_Fate> its just loading and loading and loading
[11:30] <yuacht> flicka med msn?
[11:30] <MagiPink> Oooh... One other thing... Is there a way to make Limewire actually minimize to a little icon on the panel like gaim does? 'Cause when it's set to minimize to task bar.... IT just knd of disappears.
[11:30] <Dr_Fate> MagiPink, no, and Limewire is dead
[11:30] <codecaine> limewire is dead?
[11:30] <Dr_Fate> google it
[11:30] <Dr_Fate> there was an article
[11:31] <Eddie> I just started using ubuntu and was wondering if anyone can help me install KDE on my box?
[11:31] <crispynix-v6> anyone else missing libglu1-xorg in breezy?
[11:31] <Dr_Fate> the developers are leaving it due to RIAA
[11:31] <MagiPink> I just used it yesterday? :3
[11:31] <Goodspeed> whats the password for root?
[11:31] <Dr_Fate> Eddie, kubuntu
[11:31] <mgorbach228> ok ... just update to ati drivers and my monitor is showing nothing
[11:31] <a514> Bubbling_Zombie Thanks. I have a prb. Kubuntu stalls when KDM loads and says - id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes - no more processes left in this runlevel
[11:31] <Eddie> Dr_fate, something is wrong with my burner
[11:31] <Dr_Fate> Goodspeed, you have to create one, use sudo
[11:31] <codecaine> dr fate, works for me
[11:31] <codecaine> Eddie, install kubuntu
[11:31] <Dr_Fate> codecaine, did not say it does not work
[11:31] <crispynix-v6> Eddie: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop kubuntu-default-settings
[11:31] <vader1102> Dr_Fate: works for me too
[11:32] <Bubbling_Zombie> a514 , i have little to no experience with kdm , nor with the livecd
[11:32] <Dr_Fate> jesus
[11:32] <Goodspeed> how do i do that?
[11:32] <codecaine> dr_, what u mean by dead?
[11:32] <Goodspeed> sudo password?
[11:32] <mgorbach228> can somoene help me out?
[11:32] <Dr_Fate> codecaine, google it
[11:32] <vader1102> google says nothing bout it being dead
[11:32] <Eddie> I have kubuntu but can't burn it because something is wrong with my burner
[11:32] <a514> Dr
[11:32] <MagiPink> Google doesn't say anything about Limewire being dead... and the Limewire site looks okay. :3
[11:32] <Dr_Fate> vader1102, search dslreports p2p section
[11:32] <codecaine> vader1102, don't see anything on it either
[11:32] <synd-> MagiPink: limewire is terrible
[11:32] <codecaine> can we be more specific on the issue please?
[11:32] <Dr_Fate> synd, RIGHT!
[11:32] <synd-> where is the soruces.list?
[11:32] <Goodspeed> how do i set a password for root?
[11:33] <MagiPink> synd-, I don't know any alternatives. xD
[11:33] <synd-> sources.list
[11:33] <codecaine> limewire rocks, how is it terrible?
[11:33] <Dr_Fate> codecaine, I just told you exactly what I meant above
[11:33] <mgorbach228> the system boots in recovery mode
[11:33] <synd-> MagiPink: gtk-gnutella
[11:33] <Dr_Fate> very specific
[11:33] <mgorbach228> but when trying to initialize xorg i can no graphics
[11:33] <a514> Eddie, i do not recommend the lastest. It just stalls.
[11:33] <emX> Goodspeed: unless you need the root account for some specific reason, try to use sudo.
[11:33] <synd-> codecaine: java apps are terrible
[11:33] <Goodspeed> i need the root account for somethign specifi
[11:33] <Dr_Fate> synd, exatly
[11:33] <Eddie> oh, I just want a stable
[11:33] <emX> Goodspeed: what, exactly?
[11:33] <Vjaz> Hiya.
[11:33] <Goodspeed> make install of wine using the cvs
[11:33] <Dr_Fate> Goodspeed, if you don't know how to get root, I doubt you need it
[11:34] <synd-> where is sources.list at?
[11:34] <Dr_Fate> Goodspeed, sudo will work for that
[11:34] <Goodspeed> it asks for root password
[11:34] <emX> Goodspeed: sudo will do that -- 'sudo make install'
[11:34] <Dr_Fate> synd, where everything is /etc
[11:34] <Vjaz> Anyone know the correct method to boot Windows XP from Grub? I found some instructions to do that, but couldn't get it to work. Anyone with a working config file for this?
[11:34] <avanspronsen> synd-: /etc/apt
[11:34] <synd-> !repos
[11:34] <ubotu> well, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:34] <emX> Goodspeed: it wants *your* user password, not roots (the root account is disabled)
[11:34] <Dr_Fate> Vjaz, thats done automagically
[11:34] <ubuntu_> what is the root password on the live cd?
[11:34] <Vjaz> Dr_Fate: wasn't in my case
[11:35] <synd-> Dr_Fate, avanspronsen: thanks
[11:35] <emX> ubuntu_: there is none.
[11:35] <Dr_Fate> synd, np
[11:35] <emX> ubuntu_: use sudo.
[11:35] <ubuntu_> emX, it asks me for a password when i su
[11:35] <ubuntu_> ah ok
[11:35] <Vjaz> Dr_Fate: It could be that my XP installation is broken though.
[11:35] <Vjaz> Dr_Fate: But do you know the right configuration if I want to do it manually?
[11:36] <Dr_Melectaus> Does anyone no any good system monitoring software that has a GUI and says shiz about How much of the CPU is being used, ram, emails etc etc
[11:36] <shido> any news on getting a conexant capture card to play SOUND yet in ubuntu? I get the TV picture clear as day but no soun - let alone the radio features of the card
[11:36] <weejamer> Does anyone know how i can mount a single drive on a raid controller
[11:36] <omeg> Ack
[11:36] <omeg> Firefox tried to auto-install the Flash plug-in, but it failed.
[11:37] <omeg> I wonder why.
[11:37] <omeg> Maybe it's because I'm downloading updates.
[11:37] <weejamer> that happened to me too omeg
[11:37] <vader1102> well, time for me to go visit a customer or 2, I will return sometime tonight
[11:37] <mgorbach228> can someone help me out?
[11:37] <omeg> I wonder what the problem is
[11:37] <omeg> You have any idea, weejamer?
[11:37] <mgorbach228> i cant figure out why xorg is not working with my monitor once i updated ati fglrx drivers
[11:38] <mcphail> shido: no specific ideas, but maybe you're card has the same trouble as a lot of other things with ESD?
[11:38] <mcphail> *your
[11:38] <weejamer> no omeg i tried to manual install but i have other problems at the moment
[11:38] <weejamer> Does anyone know how i can mount a single drive on a raid controller
[11:38] <codecaine> anyone in here using cisco client?
[11:38] <mgorbach228> i have no idea what the problem is
[11:38] <shido> mcphail, it took me 3 days to figure out how to get sound working in ubuntu -
[11:38] <shido> :)
[11:38] <shido> let me plug the card back in and try it
[11:38] <shido> brb
[11:39] <mgorbach228> no one?
[11:39] <weejamer> no omeg i tried to manual install but i have other problems at the moment
[11:39] <weejamer> Does anyone know how i can mount a single drive on a raid controller
[11:40] <avanspronsen> omeg: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:40] <codecaine> weejamer, raid controllers are for use with 2 or more drives right?
[11:41] <codecaine> put the drive in the hardware raid and mount it
[11:42] <xquizit> Hi, does anyone here use xfce??
[11:42] <Blissex> xquizit: consider #XFCE and asking more detailed questions.
[11:43] <synd-> xquizit: many do
[11:43] <DaSkreech> E!!!
[11:43] <xquizit> ok, it's just a simple question. but i'll ask there :)
[11:44] <sm> hi ubuntites
[11:44] <LinuxJones> sm, welcome
[11:44] <sm> breezy colony 2 installer hangs on my dell inspiron 1100 after copying all files from the cd.. would anyone have any insight ?
[11:45] <Syco54645> how how do i burn cds with the live cd?
[11:45] <seth_k> Colony 2 is quite unstable
[11:45] <LinuxJones> It's unusually quiet in here right now
[11:45] <ompaul> Syco54645, which drive is your burner?
[11:46] <sm> I see.. was colony 1 better ?
[11:46] <Syco54645> um well in udev it is /dev/cdroms/cdrom1
[11:46] <Syco54645> i have 2 burners
[11:46] <Doonz> is there a command that allows me to see how much bw my card is putting out
[11:46] <Syco54645> but that is the free one
[11:46] <ompaul> Syco54645, actually you can try cdrecord -pad dev=/dev/cdroms/cdrom1 some.iso
[11:47] <sm> I have to reinstall, and I'd prefer not to use old hoary for it
[11:47] <Syco54645> ompaul: ok i just did a scanbus on cdrecord and it yelled at me... i never got it to work with ide drives though
[11:47] <ompaul> Syco54645, that is what it does at me but that command works :)
[11:47] <Syco54645> ok
[11:47] <Syco54645> kool
[11:48] <Syco54645> i just need to put it into dao mode then
[11:48] <Syco54645> unless i cant
[11:48] <ompaul> Syco54645, and just for fun I burn lots of linux and ubuntu for peeps
[11:48] <avanspronsen> sm:why not reinstall using hoary and upgrade?
[11:48] <mgorbach228> can someone help me out?
[11:48] <mgorbach228> i cant figure out why xorg is not working with my monitor once i updated ati fglrx drivers
[11:48] <sm> if there's no better cd image, I'll do that
[11:48] <Syco54645> ompaul, if you want to have alot of fun why not get me a harddrive :P that way i dont need to use a live cd for a computer
[11:49] <sm> also I wonder if I'm looking in the right place for installer bug reports ? bugzilla -> advanced search -> Ubuntu -> 5.10
[11:49] <ompaul> Syco54645, cds cheap :) hard drives expensive here - 250 for 120
[11:50] <Syco54645> ompaul, wow i get a 200 gig for 100 usd here
[11:50] <Syco54645> i just dont have the money to get oine now
[11:50] <cloudr> anybody knows any tool for linux similar to partionmagic able to convert ntfs to fat32 (without destroying the data)
[11:50] <Syco54645> crap why is it when i type "cdrecord --help | grep -i dao" it doesnt grep?
[11:51] <lurah> darn
[11:51] <lurah> cant get my ess 18xx work here :(
[11:51] <xquizit> hey, eariler today I noticed that there was an update for gzip. but once I loged out I got an error. it said something about bonobo and I can do anything other then look at my desktop :S
[11:51] <ompaul> Syco54645, well a live CD is not a full install
[11:52] <Syco54645> still grep should work
[11:52] <mindmedic> cloudr, i dont know, but if you want to access the files on your windows partition you could give captive-ntfs a try
[11:52] <ompaul> Syco54645, only if the doc is there
[11:52] <codecaine> gtk-gnutella won't even download a gosh darn file how is this a great program?
[11:52] <Syco54645> ompaul, when i type cdrecord --help it displays stuff
[11:52] <Syco54645> it is just going to the wrong stdout or something
[11:52] <Syco54645> i forget how to fix it now
[11:53] <Doonz> is there a command that shows the current speed my nick is sending and receiving at
[11:53] <Doonz> nic*
[11:53] <xquizit> also I tried running nautilus form the cli and nothing happend :(
[11:53] <Syco54645> does anyone know if ubuntu uses a devfs type thing?
[11:53] <cloudr> mindmedic: it is just a matter of having reliable read/write access to a windows partition
[11:53] <mindmedic> :D
[11:54] <mindmedic> it works for me, but sure, theres no guarantee
[11:54] <Syco54645> w00t guess it doesnt or i am unfamiliar with how it is working
[11:54] <ompaul> Syco54645, wrong stdout - emm - the other one prints and emm --- grep is not > or < so I have a lot of trouble with that idea
[11:54] <mindmedic> cloudr, is it a boot partition?
[11:55] <cloudr> dev/hda1
[11:55] <Syco54645> ompaul, i know what i mean, i just dont feel like explaining it... basically it is that it is grepping something that isnt there because it is using a different stdout or some crap
[11:55] <Syco54645> but it still displays
[11:55] <mindmedic> cloudr, sry, i meant is windows installed on it?
[11:55] <Eddie> I need some help installing KDE on Ubuntu, and I can't get kubuntu because my cd-rom doesn't seem to work
[11:55] <mgorbach228> can someone help me out?
[11:55] <mgorbach228> i cant figure out why xorg is not working with my monitor once i updated ati fglrx drivers
[11:56] <mgorbach228> no one on this forum is willing to help? come on?
[11:56] <Syco54645> oh crap this cdrecord doesnt support dvds
[11:56] <ompaul> Syco54645, then redirect it to echo
[11:56] <Vjaz> that's why it's not called dvdrecord
[11:56] <mgorbach228> someone must know ...
[11:56] <Syco54645> Vjaz, there is a version that does
[11:56] <Vjaz> Syco54645: all right :-)
[11:56] <Syco54645> ompaul, yeah that is a fix, but considering that i am on a live cd id rather not fix it now
[11:57] <Syco54645> does anyone know how i could burn a dvd with the live cd?
[11:57] <cloudr> mindmedic: yes it is
[11:58] <topyli> hmm. i hear the new windows (if it's ever released) will finally have a proper command line shell
[11:58] <Deviant_> Whens the next ubuntu release?
[11:58] <Ju1ce> Syco54645: Why to use live cd btw?
[11:58] <topyli> Deviant_: september
[11:58] <frank_> october
[11:58] <topyli> heh
[11:58] <ompaul> Deviant_, oct ~ 15th
[11:58] <topyli> october yes
[11:58] <avanspronsen> Deviant_: october
[11:58] <Deviant_> Whats the new ubuntu looking like?
[11:58] <mgorbach228> why does no one answer?
[11:58] <petti> topyli: yeah, slashdot already has five exploits announced for it :)
[11:58] <Deviant_> any info on it?
[11:58] <topyli> petti: that's what i'm reading :)
[11:58] <Syco54645> Ju1ce, because i have no harddrive for my main drive... it died and all i have is my two dump drives that i am not going to format
[11:58] <ompaul> mgorbach228, maybe no person knows
[11:58] <petti> :)
[11:59] <Chromance> hrm
[11:59] <ompaul> mgorbach228, and maybe the person who knows is not here
[11:59] <mindmedic> cloudr, maybe check gnu parted, but i doubt there is a free utility out there that can keep your win partition healthy when converting it
[11:59] <ompaul> mgorbach228, or busy and will be with you in 5 mins
[12:00] <crashd> hmm
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2005-08-10-#ubuntu-devel
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[12:06] <shaya> mdz: now just fix restricted-modules so my madwifi loads so I can test .12 :)
[12:13] <Amaranth> shaya: now just give me $5000 and I'll do it
[12:13] <shaya> :)
[12:14] <shaya> hey, I fixed a bug (or at least isolated) for mdz yesterday :)
[12:23] <Mez> elmo: pinh
[12:23] <Mez> ping *
[12:23] <majic> I have yet to actually make my first Ubuntu package. I'm still reading about it. But if you guys were to sum up the level of difficulty (in actually getting it right and stable) from 1 - 10 what would you say?
[12:24] <dholbach> majic: if you join #ubuntu-motu we can help to get you there
[12:24] <majic> I'm there =)
[12:24] <mdz> shaya: what's wrong with it?
[12:24] <mdz> shaya: it works here
[12:28] <mvo> mdz: any objections on a python-apt upload tomorrow? or just I time it with your apt upload?
[12:28] <mdz> mvo: no objections
[12:28] <mvo> thanks!
[12:29] <lifeless> is this worth a bug report... tpackage libfann1/libfann1-dev lacks Python bindings, even though upstream has such bindings.
[12:29] <lifeless> (in that there is no python2.4-fann or * package).
[12:29] <mdz> shaya: I don't see the patch in my mailbox or in the list archives yet; could you send a copy off-list?
[12:29] <mvo> lifeless: do you it? I sponsor it :)
[12:30] <mvo> lifeless: s/do you it/do you use it/
[12:30] <mdz> s/bug report/feature request/
[12:30] <Mez> mvo: have you been drinking ?
[12:30] <mvo> Mez: no, I'm just tired :/
[12:30] <lifeless> mvo - I don't, but one of the twisted guys is trying to use it from python, and noted the discrepancy :)
[12:30] <Mez> mvo: same thing really
[12:30] <mvo> Mez: heh :)
[12:31] <Mez> lamont: ping :
[12:32] <lifeless> mvo - so, what chance of the non-developer maintainer enabling those bindings ?
[12:32] <mvo> lifeless: yes, feel free to file a bug (either debian or ubuntu). it's been a while since I was working on/with it
[12:32] <lifeless> reportbug libfann1-dev :)
[12:33] <lifeless> bwahhahaha
[12:33] <lifeless> may I flood 10 lines ?
[12:34] <dholbach> 10 lines is nothing :)
[12:34] <lifeless> Bug report submitted to: "Ubuntu Bug Tracking System" <[email protected]>
[12:34] <lifeless> Copies sent to:
[12:34] <lifeless> "Robert Collins" <[email protected]>
[12:34] <ogra> lol
[12:34] <lifeless> Traceback (most recent call last):
[12:34] <lifeless> File "/usr/bin/reportbug", line 1656, in ?
[12:34] <lifeless> main()
[12:34] <lifeless> File "/usr/bin/reportbug", line 1647, in main
[12:34] <Mez> wait..
[12:34] <lifeless> smtphost, options.smtpuser, options.smtppasswd, options.paranoid)
[12:34] <lifeless> File "/usr/share/reportbug/reportbug_submit.py", line 415, in send_report
[12:34] <Mez> Bug tracing system
[12:34] <lifeless> (sysinfo['email'] % 'n'), (sysinfo['email'] % '999999'))
[12:34] <Mez> ubuntu-users ?
[12:34] <lifeless> 'Lying'
[12:34] <lifeless> TypeError: not all arguments converted during string formatting
[12:35] <mvo> haha
[12:35] <Burgundavia> lifeless, that was 11 lines, sorry
[12:35] <lifeless> Burgundavia: awww
[12:35] <lifeless> ^U
[12:35] <lifeless> there you go, one less.
[12:35] <ogra> heh
[12:37] <mdz> lifeless: old bug in reportbug; I thought it was fixed
[12:37] <lifeless> mvo - so did that get through or not ? I'm not on u-u
[12:37] <lifeless> mdz - I';m on hoary, would that explain it ?
[12:37] <mvo> lifeless: I'm not on u-u as well ...
[12:37] <ogra> mdz, i was about to qoute your -devel post *g*
[12:37] <ogra> but you did the yourself *g*
[12:37] <mdz> lifeless: I thought it was fixed before hoary, but there has been another report of it on hoary recently...
[12:38] <ogra> that even
[12:39] <lifeless> mvo https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1674
[12:40] <lifeless> mdz want me to file a bug on reportbug ?
[12:40] <mvo> lifeless: I send a message to fann upstream and asked him how stable he considers the python bindings. I hope he answers soon
[12:41] <dholbach> i'm off to bed - sleep tight everybody
[12:41] <mvo> n8 dholbach
[12:41] <ogra> bye dholbach
[12:41] <lifeless> night
[12:42] <lifeless> mvo - thanks :).
[12:43] <HiddenWolf> x works?
[12:43] <HiddenWolf> omg
[12:44] <mvo> lifeless: nb :)
[12:49] <Kamion> mdz,mvo: I've tested progress-reporting patch-22, and have a completely working base-config with progress bar and passthrough questions with the aid of debconf 1.4.56
[12:49] <Kamion> (which I uploaded to Debian earlier this evening, and will merge to Ubuntu tomorrow)
[12:49] <mvo> Kamion: *rock*
[12:50] <mdz> Kamion: fantastic
[12:50] <mdz> I'll upload 0.6.40
[12:50] <lamont> mdz: hoary live/ppc cd. machine has eth0 (5221) and eth1 (wireless) nic's. casper complains in syslog that /sbin/ifup is missing, never brings up eth0.... eth1 can't find an AP (unsurprising, actually)... is this a known issue?
[12:51] <lamont> one you're up, you can tell network config to confgure eth0, and all is well.. but it's not automatic
[12:51] <shaya> ah
[12:51] <shaya> mdz: you need to be subscribed to the cvs list
[12:51] <shaya> it helps to see whats going on
[12:52] <shaya> mdz: http://www.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu/pipermail/unionfs-cvs/2005-August/000260.html
[12:52] <shaya> see the change to commonfops.c
[12:52] <Kamion> mdz: great, thanks
[12:52] <Kamion> I hope somebody will do the aptitude upload too
[12:52] <Kamion> then I'll depend on that version
[12:52] <Kamion> hm, actually I suppose I can just depend on new-enough apt and unversioned aptitude, that's logically sufficient
[12:53] <mvo> Kamion: I can do a (ubuntu) aptitude upload when we have the new apt. I'll send a patch to daniel too
[12:54] <Mez> lamont: reping
[12:54] <mdz> lamont: doesn't sound familiar
[12:54] <Kamion> btw, [email protected]/base-config--pkgsel-progress--0
[12:54] <mdz> lamont: casper doesn't do anything interesting with the network; d-i handles it
[12:55] <Kamion> needs a few more things wrapping in progress bars and some tidy-ups, but the major work's done
[12:56] <lifeless> mdz - for your gratification... https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1677
[12:56] <lamont> mdz/kamion: I have logs from the machine, if they help at all... guess we should grab a recent colony and see how it does.
[12:56] <lamont> Kamion: btw, ia64 daily d-i builds disabled for the moment
[12:57] <HiddenWolf> Guys, for the record, why do I see a warning come scrolling past during hoary install that 'locate' needs a cronjob run by root during install, and that the user should do that manually?
[12:58] <Kamion> because the postinst prints that and nobody spotted it to disable it?
[12:59] <Kamion> hm, in fact findutils.postinst doesn't ...
[01:00] <HiddenWolf> I only saw it now because I'm refurbishing an ancient laptop. Thought I'd ask.
[01:00] <Kamion> which package?
[01:00] <Kamion> ah, looks like slocate.postinst
[01:00] <Kamion> WARNING: You should run '$SLOCATE_UPDATEDB' as root. locate will not work
[01:00] <Kamion> properly until you do or until it is run by cron (it is daily).
[01:00] <HiddenWolf> bingo
[01:01] <Kamion> I think you misparaphrased the warning a bit
[01:01] <HiddenWolf> Yeah, i noticed
[01:01] <Kamion> looks pretty harmless
[01:01] <HiddenWolf> Noticed that too. :(
[01:01] <Kamion> slocate's theoretically nice but at least historically has been slightly oddly packaged
[01:02] <Kamion> I recall having filed some "is broken" bugs against it
[01:02] <HiddenWolf> eh, if it's not up to par, why is it in seed?
[01:03] <Kamion> it's a lot better now than it was; the postinst message is just a vestige of the previously odd packaging I believe
[01:03] <Kamion> and it's a good idea - means you can't discover filenames using locate that you wouldn't have been able to see otherwise
[01:04] <HiddenWolf> Ah, looks nifty
[01:04] <HiddenWolf> Learned another command line trick today. ;)
[01:05] <Kamion> actually I reversed that slightly, see Debian #171811 for a better explanation of why it's a good idea
[01:06] <HiddenWolf> Ugh, I keep wanting to press #<number> things in xchat and expecting to end up on bugzilla. :P
[01:06] <martinhj> sometimes my USB ports doesn't work.. I need to reboot to get them working again..
[01:06] <martinhj> in kern.log I get: Cannot enable port 1. Maybe the USB cable is bad?
[01:07] <martinhj> but it's nothing to do with the cable, have tested with different devices
[01:07] <HiddenWolf> Kamion: is there anyone I could ask about what is going to happen with ubuntu and ubuntu lite?
[01:07] <martinhj> I got two different USB ports, happens on both
[01:08] <martinhj> in interrupts I can see that the USB hubs shares interupts with other devices..
[01:08] <martinhj> what can this be?
[01:08] <Kamion> HiddenWolf: not something I know about, I'm afraid
[01:08] <martinhj> it happens maybe 1 out of 10 time
[01:08] <martinhj> times
[01:08] <martinhj> or maybe less
[01:09] <Kamion> and I'm three beers and half a cacao/cherry cocktail the worse for wear, so I'm not the best person to ask right now ;)
[01:09] <sabdfl> jdub: what's the vibe at OSCON like?
[01:10] <HiddenWolf> Kamion: anyone who does? The idea is good, but it looks like an half-assed rushjob to me. an offline website, and a google group for discussion about it.
[01:10] <HiddenWolf> no offense.
[01:11] <sabdfl> HiddenWolf: patches welcome
[01:11] <HiddenWolf> sabdfl: I'd love to. I can do hello world in three languages. :)
[01:12] <HiddenWolf> I'll happily test it on a half-dozen old pc's if it'd look somewhat trustworthy.
[01:12] <ogra> night mvo
[01:12] <Burgundavia> HiddenWolf, part of what they are doing is a google soc project
[01:13] <HiddenWolf> I'm gathering it's not official but will be?
[01:13] <ogra> HiddenWolf, vedran is the bountier
[01:14] <ogra> he's around during sane european times
[01:15] <HiddenWolf> Hm, right.
[01:15] <Kamion> Mez: you really don't need to say "changed distribution to breezy" in changelogs BTW - it's implicit in the changelog header
[01:16] <Kamion> unless there were actual changes for that outside the changelog
[01:16] <HiddenWolf> Attribute my bluntness to the hour, i'll be talking to vedran in the morning. :)
[01:16] <squinn> question
[01:16] <squinn> as i think #devel will know it better than straight #ubuntu
[01:16] <Mez> Kamion, yeah i know... :D lol... I was just being over-zealous
[01:16] <Mez> lol
[01:16] <squinn> what files are created when a pgp key is created?
[01:17] <Mez> squinn: it goes onto your keyrung
[01:18] <Mez> in ~/.gnupg
[01:18] <squinn> thanks Mez
[01:21] <mdz> Kamion,mvo: uploaded
[01:35] <mdz> shaya: that patch is HTML-mangled; what is the URL for the CVS repository?
[01:41] <mdz> shaya: never mind, did it by hand
[01:42] <hmrocha> hi
[01:42] <hmrocha> do you have any idea on when will colony 3 be released?
[01:48] <hmrocha> openoffice 1.1.4 is fucked up
[01:48] <hmrocha> (i'm using breezy)
[01:48] <hmrocha> i have deleted .sversionrc and .openoffice but it still doesn't work
[01:56] <shaya> mdz: you just needed the !d_unhashed->d_unhashed
[01:56] <shaya> fixed your problem?
[01:57] <mdz> don't know yet, doing a full kernel build
[01:58] <shaya> mdz: what's the reasoning for this tempfs based .ko storage area for restricted modules?
[01:58] <shaya> what was wrong w/ the old way?
[01:58] <elmo> mdz: is "unable to build ppc64 kernels" a RC bug for kernel-package or just noromal?
[01:59] <shaya> any chance they'll work on IBM's JS20 blades?
[02:00] <mdz> elmo: depends on whether we get around to building ppc64 kernels for breezy
[02:01] <mdz> oh, we do
[02:01] <mdz> so they're failing?
[02:02] <mdz> dpkg-deb: building package `linux-image-2.6.12-6-powerpc64-smp' in `../linux-image-2.6.12-6-powerpc64-smp_2.6.12-6.7_powerpc.deb'.
[02:02] <mdz> looks ok
[02:02] <elmo> kernel-package
[02:02] <elmo> not dpkg-buildpackage
[02:02] <elmo> i.e. for users
[02:03] <elmo> you know, the ones who compile their own kernels - I know how much you love them
[02:04] <sabdfl> night all
[02:04] <Lathiat> night sabdfl
[02:07] <mdz> elmo: dude, linux-source uses make-kpkg to do the builds
[02:07] <mdz> so clearly it can build ppc64 kernels
[02:07] <elmo> hum
[02:09] <elmo> hmm, it's doing some hideous KPKG_ARCH overriding
[02:09] <elmo> meh
[02:09] <elmo> doesn't really count, but ok
[02:10] <elmo> it's possible, just broken by default
[02:11] <mdz> sounds like a normal bug then
[02:11] <elmo> yeah
[03:29] <sebest_> hello, i noticed during my last apt-get upgrade that glitz was installed, is there something using it?
[03:31] <Lathiat> sebest_: cairo i think
[03:31] <Lathiat> dont quote me on that
[03:31] <sebest_> lol
[03:31] <sebest_> i was wondering something, how can i choose the backend when using cairo?
[03:32] <sebest_> for example how can i switch from the software to the glitz backend
[03:54] <Lathiat> hrm to instal gnome-devel I had to first install libgnome-menu-dev manually because it wouldnt install for some reason with gnome-devel
[04:53] <yossnet81> hey, my xorg on breezy is still broken. GDM comes up, looks all weird, then I get a message saying "the greeter program appears to be crashing attempting to use a different one". in addition, weird colors are coming up on my VT's in random places
[04:53] <yossnet81> it was working fine before X broke
[04:56] <yossnet81> anyone?
[04:57] <bob2> that sounds more like a #ubuntu/ubuntu-users question
[04:57] <yossnet81> bob2: alright
[05:05] <whiprush> "Bob2, the hammer of the channel."
[05:09] <dilinger> "hammer", that's quite a nice euphemism :)
[05:10] <Clint> for "ham"?
[05:10] <ajmitch> bob2: don't ignore your fanclub
[05:10] <dilinger> bob2: i was just gonna say... i didn't realize Clint was in this channel, too. i'll have to remember to not say mean things about him. well, not real mean, anyways
[05:11] <Clint> i'm not here
[05:13] <whiprush> ajmitch: whoa, hey now, I don't fanboi bob2.
[05:13] <whiprush> I merely fear him.
[05:14] <ajmitch> sure, whiprush.
[05:14] <bddebian> heh
[05:15] <bddebian> Oh man, don't tell me they are all coming over here or I am gonna end up in #gentoo-devel or some shit.. ;-P
[05:15] <ajmitch> don't worry, the hurd channels are still empty enough
[05:16] <bddebian> Oohh, ouch...
[05:16] <whiprush> http://www.flickr.com/photos/whiprush/13478163/
[05:18] <Burgundavia> bob2, don't you also babysit launch import scripts?
[05:25] <dilinger> heh
[05:25] <dilinger> http://www.flickr.com/photos/whiprush/13477939/
[05:25] <dilinger> whiprush: i think that's Dafydd Harries, making a rather odd face
[05:27] <whiprush> the one next to janew?
[05:27] <dilinger> yea
[05:29] <whiprush> k
[07:25] <Mithrandir> mako: Simira wonders if you've sent her any cds lately.
[07:59] <bob2> Burgundavia: not anymore
[07:59] <bob2> whiprush: the "someone" in the link dilinger posted is Daf
[07:59] <ajmitch> bob2: they let you off?
[07:59] <bob2> who appears to be entering S3
[08:03] <Burgundavia> what do you do now?
[08:03] <pitti> Good morning
[08:03] <ajmitch> hi pitti
[08:03] <ajmitch> how are you?
[08:04] <pitti> ajmitch: fine, up to my aching hand
[08:04] <ajmitch> ouch
[08:05] <ajmitch> what did you do to it?
[08:05] <pitti> ajmitch: inflammation, too much typing
[08:07] <ajmitch> btw still working on the phpgw security fix - debdiff is ~1MB between the hoary & breezy versions :)
[08:07] <ajmitch> so I'm icking out what is relevant
[08:08] <ajmitch> s/icking/picking/
[08:08] <pitti> mdz: still here?
[08:08] <bob2> ajmitch: not at canonical anymore
[08:08] <ajmitch> ah
[08:09] <ajmitch> on the streets then?
[08:09] <bob2> poppin' caps in ganstas.
[08:10] <Burgundavia> bob2, where do you work now?
[08:14] <Lathiat> elmo: ping
[08:15] <bob2> Burgundavia: nowhere, atm
[08:15] <Burgundavia> ah
[08:23] <mdz> pitti: yes
[08:24] <pitti> mdz: I just tested Debian's at version, works fine (including the "at -c" bug I fixed i the breezy version yesterday)
[08:24] <pitti> mdz: so the only change that's left is now LSB init script
[08:25] <pitti> mdz: so we might consider merging to get the other bug fixes
[08:25] <mdz> pitti: what other bug fixes?
[08:26] <pitti> mdz: http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/at/news/1.html
[08:27] <mdz> pitti: the current at seems to work quite well
[08:27] <mdz> I'm not sure that a large batch of changes is the best thing for it right now
[08:30] <pitti> mdz: ok
[08:55] <mdz> good night, see you at the meeting tomorrow
[09:11] <tepsipakki> how strictly is Ubuntu going to implement LSB3.0?
[09:12] <tepsipakki> I was thinking of the runlevels...
[09:57] <hunger> How do I use the new linux-restricted-modules? modprobe claims to load those modules, but the HW won't work and lsmod will not list the modules at all.
[09:57] <bob2> #ubuntu
[10:08] <pitti> Moin seb128
[10:09] <seb128> hey pitti
[10:09] <seb128> pitti: have you fixed the libnotify hang?
[10:10] <pitti> seb128: not yet, I fixed the int overflow and debugged a bit, but it's a bit tricky
[10:10] <seb128> k, I've read your mail, that's why I ask
[10:10] <pitti> seb128: also, on ppc the notifications don't disapear automatically
[10:11] <pitti> seb128: I was just too tired yesterday night, sorry
[10:11] <seb128> pitti: upstream is Chipx86 on #gnome-hackers if you want to speak with him
[10:11] <pitti> seb128: now I'm bringing langpacks up to shape, then I can continue this
[10:11] <pitti> oh, thanks
[10:11] <seb128> pitti: oh, no problem at all, don't worry. There is no hurry, I'm just curious ... :)
[10:12] <pitti> seb128: I installed 400 MB of upgraded debs yesterday, just to be sure that it isn't an old dbus or whatever
[10:12] <pitti> but it didn't help
[10:12] <pitti> so it's a genuine bug
[10:12] <seb128> :(
[10:33] <dholbach> hellas
[10:34] <pitti> Moin Daniel
[10:34] <dholbach> hey martin :)
[10:35] <seb128> hey dholbach
[10:36] <dholbach> hey sb :)
[10:36] <janimo> hey daniel
[10:37] <dholbach> janimo: hey jani... you're changing nicks quite often :)
[10:43] <jsgotangco> dholbach!
[10:43] <dholbach> morning jerome! hey jane
[10:46] <pitti> Riddell: ~/ubuntu/langpack-o-matic$ baz commit -s 'infrastructure for shipping additional files'
[10:46] <pitti> Riddell: :-)
[10:50] <janimo> dholbach, I'm in a perpetual searh of identity
[10:53] <seb128> lamont-away, infinity: where is 2.2.8-2ubuntu3? I've uploaded it yesterday but there is no buildlog, I guess that the buildds are waiting for something?
[10:54] <Amaranth> ook, i broke my system menu
[10:55] <dholbach> janimo: i do understand that :)
[10:56] <seb128> Amaranth: hey ... do you have some time to fill a wiki package for smeg to main?
[10:56] <Amaranth> ok... not sure what to put on it though
[11:04] <jdub> yo seb128
[11:04] <dholbach> hey jdub
[11:04] <seb128> hey jdub
[11:04] <Amaranth> seb128: what should i put in for rationale other than 'is very popular'?
[11:04] <seb128> jdub: what's up? :)
[11:04] <jdub> yo dholbach
[11:04] <jdub> i am
[11:05] <jdub> at 2am it seems ;)
[11:05] <jdub> crazy timezone mess
[11:05] <seb128> Amaranth: probable default menu editor for 5.10
[11:05] <seb128> Amaranth: I've patched gnome-panel yesterday, it uses it before gmenu-simple-editor if it's installed
[11:06] <Amaranth> ?
[11:06] <Amaranth> didn't it use it already?
[11:07] <seb128> no
[11:07] <seb128> right click on the menu
[11:07] <seb128> "Edit Menus"
[11:07] <seb128> it was opening gmenu-simple-editor
[11:08] <Amaranth> oh, it uses smeg now?
Amaranth: I've patched gnome-panel yesterday, it uses it before gmenu-simple-editor if it's installed
[11:09] <Amaranth> ok, now i understand what that means
[11:09] <Amaranth> i hate english and it's my native language :P
[11:10] <Amaranth> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportSmeg
[11:10] <Amaranth> does that look good?
[11:10] <ogra> Amaranth, learn french then ;)
[11:11] <seb128> Amaranth: yeah, seems to be ok
[11:11] <seb128> Amaranth: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportLibnotify
[11:12] <seb128> Amaranth: maybe you can fix it to fit this one (ie: the Requirements title, the URL to the packages and the space between points)? These are just cosmetic details but it's nicer :)
[11:12] <seb128> Amaranth: thanks
[11:12] <sivang> Amaranth: smeg is in main now ? :)
[11:14] <ogra> sivang, read above
[11:18] <Amaranth> seb128: done
[11:18] <seb128> Amaranth: thanks
[11:18] <seb128> Amaranth: please ping me when you guys roll a new pyxdg too
[11:18] <Amaranth> will do
[11:19] <seb128> thank you
[11:19] <seb128> jdub: around? I hate gtk engines stuff and I know you like that ... :)
[11:19] <seb128> jdub: what are we supposed to do with clearlook now that gtk2-engines ship it too?
[11:21] <Amaranth> change the standalone package to a transition package and build the one in gtk2-engines?
[11:22] <seb128> why a transitionnal package to do this?
[11:22] <seb128> it would have the same name
[11:22] <Amaranth> oh
[11:22] <jdub> seb128: uuuggghhh
[11:22] <seb128> the issue is than the Debian guys prefer to keep maintaining that stuff out of gtk2-engines
[11:22] <Amaranth> seb128: what version of gnome-panel was that?
[11:23] <seb128> because they say than the real work is done on sf.net by example
[11:23] <seb128> so it's better to ship this version than the gtk2-engines one
[11:23] <Amaranth> err, the work has moved to gnome cvs, hasn't it?
[11:23] <seb128> Amaranth: no sure that's why I ask jdub
[11:23] <seb128> gnome-panel (2.11.90-0ubuntu4) breezy; urgency=low
[11:23] <seb128> * debian/patches/10_defaulteditor.patch:
[11:23] <seb128> - change the default menu editor, use smeg before gmenu-simple-editor.
[11:23] <seb128> for panel
[11:23] <seb128> but it probably needs a kick to retry, there was a gnome-menus bug
[11:24] <Amaranth> remenic made it sound like he was going to work in the gtk2-engines module from now on
[11:24] <seb128> Amaranth: k, still I would like to get jdub's opinion on that :)
[11:24] <seb128> we already screwed industrial this way
[11:24] <Amaranth> hehe
[11:25] <seb128> Debian ships it from its packaging which has the gtk-engines and the icons
[11:25] <seb128> we have built it once from gtk2-engines
[11:25] <seb128> which doesn't ship the icon
[11:25] <Amaranth> oh yeah my panel started crashing again so it's a good thing you filed the bug report after all :)
[11:25] <seb128> and since gtk2-engines is 2.6
[11:25] <seb128> and the other package 0.something
[11:25] <seb128> either we put an epoch on industrial to reship the separate package which is ugly
[11:25] <seb128> or we have to make an icon package
[11:26] <jdub> seb128: so unfortunately, industrial seems to have finally moved into gtk-engines
[11:26] <seb128> Amaranth: it should be fixed this crash, I've patched the panel for it
[11:26] <jdub> seb128: and clearlooks is in it, but still declared to be maintained outside
[11:26] <seb128> jdub: that's good, we ship the gtk-engines version ... but we don't have any icon theme due to that
[11:27] <seb128> industrial icon theme
[11:27] <jdub> they *still* haven't fixed that?
[11:28] <seb128> who is supposed to do what?
[11:28] <jdub> brb, going to shop
[11:28] <seb128> k
[11:28] <seb128> later
[11:28] <seb128> ping me when you are back and want to speak about industrial and clearlooks :)
[11:29] <Amaranth> seb128: yeah, you fixed it in ubuntu3 which isn't in the archives yet :/
[11:29] <seb128> Amaranth: <seb128> but it probably needs a kick to retry, there was a gnome-menus bug
[11:29] <Amaranth> oh, i thought that was just for 4
[11:30] <seb128> nop, for both
[11:30] <Lathiat> seb128: noticed how if you try install gnome-devel, it wont due to libgnome-menu-dev not wanting to install, but if you install libgnome-menu-dev manually then its all good?
[11:30] <seb128> no
[11:31] <seb128> but gnome-<something> are not supposed to work
[11:31] <Lathiat> any idea what causes that?
[11:31] <Lathiat> seb128: why not?
[11:31] <seb128> because nobody cared to work on "gnome" package
[11:31] <seb128> we use ubuntu-desktop
[11:31] <Lathiat> ah, hrm
[11:31] <Lathiat> well, it does work
[11:31] <Lathiat> apart from that
[11:31] <Amaranth> Lathiat: are you on hoary?
[11:31] <Lathiat> its just gnome-devel i care about
[11:31] <Lathiat> Amaranth: breezy
[11:31] <Amaranth> nevermind then
[11:31] <seb128> your issue is probably it depends on libfam-dev
[11:32] <pitti> Riddell: now I have the KDE flags, desktop files, etc. in the KDE langpacks, so you can remove them from kde-i18n-foo if you want
[11:32] <seb128> I've changing that to libgamin-dev
[11:32] <Lathiat> seb128: what does, libgnome-menu-dev?
[11:32] <seb128> s/I've/I'm/
[11:32] <seb128> yep
[11:32] <seb128> libgamin-dev provides libfam-dev
[11:32] <Lathiat> oh you mean
[11:32] <Lathiat> gnome-devel deps libfam-dev
[11:32] <Lathiat> libgnome-menu-dev deps libgamin-dev
[11:32] <seb128> but the packaging tools seems to no be happy with that
[11:32] <Lathiat> so until you install libgnome-menu-dev to install libgamin-dev which then provides libfam-dev
[11:32] <Lathiat> it thinks it conflicts
[11:33] <seb128> ??
gnome-devel deps libfam-dev ?
[11:33] <seb128> not here
[11:33] <Lathiat> no i cant see that either
[11:33] <Lathiat> so wheres the problem?
seb128: FYI, yesterday you made libgnome-menu-dev depend on libfam-dev; this made aptitude want to remove the entire of gnome (as it decided it would be best to install libfam-dev rather than libgamin-dev, causing fam / gamin conflicts
[11:34] <seb128> I think that's the same issue
[11:34] <seb128> the packaging tools seems to prefer to remove gnome rather than installing libgamin-dev
[11:34] <seb128> which provides libfam-dev
[11:34] <Lathiat> or not to install it
[11:34] <Lathiat> right
[11:34] <seb128> right
[11:35] <seb128> exactly
[11:35] <seb128> so I'll specify gamin
[11:35] <Lathiat> libfam-dev | libgamin-dev might fix it
[11:35] <Lathiat> or the other way around
[11:35] <seb128> yep
[11:35] <Lathiat> i guess its hard for apt to figure that kinda thing out
perhaps it would be better to make the depend "libgamin-dev | libfam-dev" ?
yeah, I'll do that for next upload
[11:35] <Lathiat> seb128: ah, ok
[11:35] <Amaranth> someone actually uses fam instead of gamin?
[11:36] <seb128> nop
[11:36] <Amaranth> I wish hoary had gnome-menus 2.10.2 *sigh*
[11:37] <Amaranth> so many people email me saying they have problems, i say upgrade to 2.10.2, they say problems solved
[11:37] <mvo> elmo: are you around?
[11:37] <mbreit> hi! i have a question: Riddel did a sponsored upload for me yesterday, and the build logs now say: universe/sound/noteedit_2.7.1-2ubuntu1: Not-For-Us [optional:out-of-date] . what does that mean?
[11:39] <janimo> mbreit, could be because previous version is 2build1 ?
[11:39] <mbreit> yes
[11:40] <janimo> I don't where how build1 is in the version succession
[11:40] <janimo> s/how//
[11:40] <janimo> maybe it should have been build1ubuntu1
[11:40] <janimo> dunno
[11:41] <\sh> no
[11:41] <\sh> build1 never reached the archives
[11:41] <mbreit> janimo: the same changelog entry was for -2build1 before...
[11:42] <\sh> mbreit: -2build1 never reached the archvies
[11:42] <pitti> mbreit, janimo: 2build1 means that version 2 was just reuploaded to be built again, but without actual source changes
[11:42] <janimo> what is the policy regarding buildX version?
[11:42] <\sh> mbreit: check http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/n/noteedit/
[11:42] <mbreit> \sh: i know ;)
[11:43] <pitti> janimo: if we would call it 2ubuntu1, then it would look as if we would have actually changed something, and the package won't be auto-synced from Debian
[11:43] <janimo> pitti, isn't that the same as lamont 'giving it back' ?
[11:43] <bob2> not-for-us means the buildd is configured not to build it
[11:43] <pitti> janimo: no, g-b only works if a package FTBFS previously
[11:43] <pitti> janimo: if version 2 did build, then it needs a higher version so that the package is actually upgraded on user's machines
[11:43] <janimo> pitti, I know about 2ubuntu1 , I was wondering if build1ubuntu1 would be a logical next version :)
[11:44] <pitti> janimo: no, if you change sth, then 2ubuntu1 is the next one
[11:44] <mbreit> bob2: but why should they be configured not to build noteedit?
[11:45] <janimo> pitti, does this mean after a rebuild with buildX you can no longer make ubuntuX changes since it would conflict with future debian versions?
[11:45] <janimo> or is build1 not taken into account in version comparisons?
[11:46] <pitti> janimo: no, you should treat NbuildK like version N
[11:46] <janimo> pitti ok, thanks
[11:46] <pitti> the buildK is just a crude hack
[11:46] <bob2> the buildd admin configured it like that
[11:46] <pitti> janimo: buildK is of course taken into account when comparing versions
[11:46] <bob2> perhaps it was a mistake, or they were waiting for a build-dep to be fixed
[11:46] <pitti> janimo: it is mostly used when building the same package against a newer library that is in the archive
[11:46] <bob2> ah, depends on qt
[11:47] <janimo> almost unrelated: any reason an ubuntu1 package does not show up in lamont buildLogs after 3 hours of it on breezy-changes?
[11:47] <janimo> I uploaded an xfce4-terminal change 3 hours ago
[11:48] <mbreit> janimo: universe/x11/xfce4-terminal_0.2.4-3ubuntu1: Dep-Wait by buildd+terranova [-:uncompiled]
[11:48] <mbreit> Dependencies: dbus-glib-1-dev
[11:48] <_koke> for kubuntu devs, I've just packaged taglib 1.4, for the new upcoming amarok :)
[11:49] <janimo> mbreit, where is that info?(url)
[11:49] <mbreit> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Lists/breezy.all.i386
[11:49] <janimo> mbreit, thanks :)
[11:49] <mbreit> bob2: do you mean that every qt-based programs do not build atm?
[11:49] <bob2> no
[11:50] <mbreit> bob2: what should i do then?
[11:50] <Riddell> pitti: great :)
[11:50] <bob2> mbreit: talk to lamont or infinity
[11:51] <bob2> it's well outside infinity work hours tho, so go get smashed and bug him on monday ;p
[11:51] <mbreit> bob2: okay, thanks..
[11:52] <Riddell> koke: where can I find that?
[11:52] <koke> http://www.amedias.org/~koke/debian/breezy/
[11:57] <janimo> If a package gets renamed both Replaces: and Conflicts: are needed right?
[11:57] <bob2> Replaces says "I have files from $this package, and that's ok". Conflicts says "if you install me, uninstall $that".
[11:58] <janimo> bob2, we have the same sw synced from os-works for hoary and now from sid packaged under different names
[11:58] <janimo> sid users are not affected since they did not have the other upstream
[11:59] <Treenaks> there used to be a bug in dpkg which required you to use both. but that has been fixed (if I understood keybuk's debconf talk correctly)
[11:59] <janimo> so I need to add Conflict then I guess
[11:59] <janimo> Treenaks, which is the one that's enough then?
[12:00] <Treenaks> janimo: depends.. what do you want to do
[12:00] <janimo> what currently is xterminal is superseded by xfce4-terminal from sid
[12:00] <Treenaks> replaces
[12:00] <Treenaks> I think
[12:00] <janimo> Treenaks, same terminal app packaged under a different name in sid, and we want to replace our existing package with that
[12:03] <pitti> janimo: you need an empty dummy package xterminal which depends on xfce4-terminal
[12:04] <janimo> pitti, so a new greater version of xterminal which is empty?
[12:04] <pitti> janimo: and xfce4-terminal Replaces: and Conflicts: xterminal << (yourdummypackageversion)
[12:04] <pitti> janimo: yew
[12:04] <pitti> yes, even
[12:04] <janimo> pitti, cool thanks :)
[12:04] <Treenaks> empty except for changelog, README etc.
[12:04] <bob2> isn't Conflicting enough to make apt remove it?
[12:05] <Treenaks> bob2: it is now, yes.. but how will apt know that it needs to install the new package?
[12:05] <pitti> bob2: no, then it will be held back, I think
[12:05] <bob2> Treenaks: dist-upgrade will try to get a newer version of xfce4-terminal and say "oh, wow, we have to remove xterminal to get that"
[12:06] <pitti> bob2: there is no older version of xfce4-terminal, right?
[12:06] <janimo> pitti, no there isn't
[12:06] <bob2> oh, ok
[12:06] <bob2> I mixinterpretd, sorry
[12:06] <Treenaks> bob2: it's a package rename afaics
[12:06] <bob2> clearly coffee time
[12:06] <janimo> IIRC when I said install firefox it just removed mozilla-firefox, isn't this the same scenario?
[12:07] <Treenaks> janimo: no, it should install xfce4-terminal automatically if you have xterminal installed right?
[12:07] <Treenaks> janimo: instead of the old xterminal
[12:07] <janimo> Treenaks, well on dist-upgrade yes
[12:12] <janimo> pitti, you're (one of) thefirefox packager(s)?
[12:14] <janimo> I am wondering on the possibility and the benefits of making a firefox package which does not depend on gnome libs
[12:24] <pitti> janimo: I still refuse to be called firefox maintainer :-)
[12:28] <jdub> pitti: you touched it last!
[12:28] <pitti> jdub: no, seb128 did :-)
[12:29] <seb128> DOH
[12:29] <seb128> but dholbach wants it
[12:29] <jdub> ha ha
[12:29] <seb128> be nice with him
[12:29] <dholbach> seb128: we talked about this like 135176367 times already, i said * N O ! *
[12:30] <pitti> seb128: would firefox be in universe, and I was asked to review it for main inclusion, it would just be rejected rigorously :-)
[12:30] <seb128> dholbach: nobody asked you if you want it, we just offer it to you :)
[12:30] <Lathiat> anyone know the name of the tool that monitors what something does when you run it and creates a debian package out of it
[12:30] <dholbach> pitti: good thinking
[12:30] <dholbach> seb128: offering is something where you can say "no", right? :)
[12:30] <pitti> Lathiat: auto-apt?
[12:30] <seb128> dholbach: no, that's not polite
[12:31] <dholbach> you're all so mean
[12:31] <dholbach> what did i do to you?
[12:31] <seb128> come on, it's funny
[12:31] <seb128> users will love you
[12:31] <pitti> packaging is so great and clean...
[12:31] <pitti> it only needs 20 minutes to build...
[12:31] <Lathiat> pitti: nah, like running an installer
[12:31] <Lathiat> and have it automatically just shove the files into a debian package
[12:31] <dholbach> ok, i sold drugs, paid no taxes, stole lollipops from children - but how does that affect you?
[12:31] <mbreit> Lathiat: do you mean checkinstall?
[12:32] <seb128> mvo:
[12:32] <seb128> File "/usr/bin/apt-listchanges", line 30, in ?
[12:35] <seb128> import apt_pkg
[12:35] <seb128> ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/apt_pkg.so: undefined symbol: _ZN1 7pkgPackageManager9DoInstallEv
[12:35] <seb128> mvo: is that due to new apt?
[12:35] <mvo> seb128: yes, I'm working on it. the new apt has ... issues
[12:35] <seb128> k, thanks
[12:35] <ogra> hmm, no xorg for mad64 :(
[12:35] <ogra> amd64 indeed
[12:35] <dholbach> mad64 is good ahahahaha
[12:35] <seb128> FTBFS?
[12:35] <ogra> yup
[12:35] <seb128> cool
[12:35] <ogra> daniels made a typo or something
[12:35] <seb128> so daniels has to do a -45 and can fix Xnest
[12:35] <ogra> debian/rules:106: debian/scripts/vars.amd64: No such file or directory
[12:36] <seb128> lamont-away, infinity: can you retry gthumb gimp gnome-panel builds?
[12:36] <pitti> seb128, Riddell: could you please help me with testing the latest langpacks? Riddel, especially for the additional KDE files?
[12:36] <seb128> pitti: sure
[12:36] <seb128> pitti: what have I to do?
[12:37] <pitti> seb128, Riddell: please purge all language-pack* stuff and reinstall the latest breezy version (20050609)
[12:37] <pitti> seb128, Riddell: then grab the debs from http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/langpacks/
[12:37] <pitti> you should get a french update notification
[12:38] <pitti> Riddell: and the flags, desktop files, etc. should work now
[12:40] <pitti> Moin Keybuk
[12:40] <pitti> Hi Mez
[12:41] <Mez> morning
[12:41] <Lathiat> Amaranth: are you still seeing gnome-panel crashes on applications updates?
[12:41] <Lathiat> you said it stopped, but im still seeing it
[12:41] <Amaranth> i'm seeing it on removal
[12:41] <Amaranth> menu removal, specifically
[12:42] <Lathiat> well, im seeing it on when vmware adds its icon/desktop entry
[12:42] <Lathiat> and yes, i did see that too
[12:42] <Lathiat> i get it every time i install a package basically
[12:42] <Lathiat> do i need to break the debugger out
[12:42] <Lathiat> or is it known?
[12:43] <pitti> seb128, Riddell: oh wait
[12:43] <pitti> seb128, Riddell: before upgrading to the new debs, please rm /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d/language-pack*
[12:43] <pitti> seb128, Riddell: otherwise you won't see the notification
[12:44] <seb128> notification works
[12:44] <seb128> and I've get the french msg :)
[12:44] <pitti> yay
[12:44] <janimo> what so nasty about firefox, the upstream source or the debian packaging of it?
[12:44] <pitti> both
[12:44] <janimo> is the same source used for mozilla and thunderbird too?
[12:44] <Riddell> KDE est francais
[12:45] <Riddell> pitti: I don't get a notification however
[12:45] <janimo> source package I mean
[12:45] <dholbach> janimo: it's a 40mb tarball - most people don't know that :)
[12:45] <pitti> janimo: no, the moz and tbird packages are *much* nicer
[12:45] <seb128> janimo: all the changes to the diff.gz
[12:45] <janimo> dholbach, I know I built nvu from it :)
[12:45] <Riddell> >ls /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d/
[12:45] <Riddell> notification-2.6.12-3-386
[12:45] <pitti> Riddell: did you remove the old notification first? YOu already got it the last time you tested, right?
[12:45] <Riddell> pitti: I've reinstalled since then
[12:45] <pitti> Riddell: uh, and you really upgraded from 20050609?
[12:46] <Riddell> reinstalled the operating system
[12:46] <pitti> Riddell: so did you install the langpacks from scratch, or upgraded l-p-fr from 20050609?
[12:46] <janimo> is it something inherent to ff or just nobody had time to make a nice package of it?
[12:46] <Riddell> pitti: installed from scratch
[12:46] <pitti> janimo: well, if we made the packaging sane, then we had a huge delta to Debian
[12:46] <janimo> why is the diff so big?
[12:46] <jdub> mjg59: should i really expect to be able to get to a text console (i810)?
[12:46] <pitti> Riddell: ah, then that's what it should be like
[12:47] <janimo> and debian doesn't want it sane? :)
[12:47] <Riddell> formidable :)
[12:47] <pitti> janimo: if we separated out the inline patches to debian/patches, then you have the changes twice in the delta
[12:47] <seb128> pitti: everything works fine here
[12:47] <Riddell> pitti: how is it decided what does in base and what goes in the other one?
[12:47] <pitti> Riddell: sudo apt-get install language-pack-fr-base=20050609 language-pack-fr=20050609
[12:47] <janimo> those patches cannot go upsream? (I guess I'll have to look if I want more details)
[12:48] <pitti> Riddell: and then dpkg -i the new version -> that should trigger the notification
[12:48] <seb128> jdub: you didn't ping me back about gtk2-engines, does that mean you don't want to speak about that and I've to start it myself ? :)
[12:48] <pitti> Riddell: currently a heuristics that decides if the package is KDEish, GNOMEish, or neither/both
[12:48] <jdub> seb128: oh, sorry
[12:48] <jdub> seb128: i think we'd be better off using clearlooks upstream if daniel and richard keep maintaining it separately
[12:48] <seb128> np :)
[12:49] <seb128> k
[12:49] <Amaranth> Lathiat: known and fixed
[12:49] <seb128> but did GNOME guys made some changes to the gtkrc by example?
[12:49] <Riddell> pitti: I mean between language-pack-kde-fr and language-pack-kde-fr-base
[12:49] <jdub> seb128: i think that'll go in the clearlooks theme by default
[12:49] <seb128> I'm fine with that
[12:49] <seb128> k
[12:49] <pitti> Riddell: ah, right now everything is in -base
[12:49] <jdub> it's just a slight colour change
[12:49] <pitti> Riddell: the update packages will be populated after the breezy release
[12:49] <Riddell> pitti: right
[12:50] <pitti> Riddell: so that they only contain the actual updates and are small
[12:50] <pitti> Riddell, seb128: so we are fine with the packs, and theoretically I could throw them at the public?
[12:51] <pitti> I'm sick of delaying it further
[12:51] <pitti> and I lost hope that I will get a genuine Rosetta tarball soon
[12:51] <Riddell> pitti: for the KDE ones you might want to add to the description that installing kde-i18n-xx is needed for full translations
[12:52] <pitti> Riddell: I think language-selector should take care of that
[12:52] <pitti> mvo: apropos, do you see any problems with the langpack split wrt language selector?
[12:53] <seb128> pitti: yep
[12:54] <Lathiat> Amaranth: ok, cool
[12:54] <Riddell> pitti: well it already suggests language-support-kde-fr
[12:54] <mvo> pitti: I'm a bit busy right now, can we talk about it later?
[12:54] <pitti> Riddell: ouch, it does?
[12:55] <pitti> mvo: sure
[12:55] <Amaranth> Lathiat: new gnome-panel also opens smeg instead of gmenu-simple-editor :)
[12:55] <pitti> mvo: I just mean in general
[12:55] <pitti> Riddell: that package will not exist
[12:55] <pitti> Riddell: well spotted, I fix that
[12:56] <Riddell> :)
[12:56] <Riddell> I now have /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d/language-pack-es_20050701
[12:56] <pitti> Riddell: we don't want to split the support packages, too, otherwise elmo's heart attack will be even worse
[12:56] <Riddell> shouldn't that be -fr ?
[12:56] <pitti> hm, yes...
[12:57] <mvo> pitti: probably not
[01:01] <Lathiat> Amaranth: ubuntu patch?
[01:01] <pitti> Riddell: yes, l-p-es was a copy&paste bug...
[01:01] <Amaranth> Lathiat: yeah
[01:01] <Amaranth> hey, that reminds me
[01:01] <Lathiat> Amaranth: get it in all the major distros then bash the g-p maintainer ;p
[01:01] <Amaranth> 0.8 is now on the same level as gmenu-simple-editor
[01:01] <Amaranth> it shows menus and can toggle things on and off :D
[01:01] <Lathiat> :)
[01:02] <Amaranth> http://rafb.net/paste/results/GxCVPn71.html
[01:02] <Amaranth> evil code
[01:02] <Lathiat> looks lovely :)
[01:03] <Amaranth> but so far after the initial long load time (which i know how to fix) everything is instant, no waiting to reload the entire menu layout from pyxdg anymore
[01:03] <bob2> Amaranth: did you explain the pyxdg problem to Mez?
[01:03] <Amaranth> bob2: yeah
[01:03] <bob2> Amaranth: thanks :)
[01:03] <Amaranth> bob2: he said fix g-a-i and backport it :P
[01:04] <Mez> actualkly, you said that
[01:04] <Amaranth> i did?
[01:04] <bob2> wtf
[01:04] <Amaranth> i must have been up too long
[01:04] <Mez> lol
[01:04] <bob2> at least make it conflict
[01:04] <Mez> I didnt say much apart from why should it conflict if g-a-i is meant to use it
[01:04] <bob2> randomly breaking g-a-i for people is terrible
[01:05] <Amaranth> hey, if g-a-i wasn't setting pyxdg's locale and just letting it figure out the locale on it's own this wouldn't be a problem :0
[01:05] <Amaranth> err, :)
[01:07] <Lathiat> Amaranth: ooc, how do you control visibility?
[01:07] <Amaranth> Lathiat: what?
[01:07] <bob2> do *something*
[01:07] <Lathiat> Amaranth: how do you make an item invisible?
[01:07] <Lathiat> like, technically
[01:07] <bob2> if this was debian, someone would have an RC bug by now
[01:07] <Lathiat> im just randomly curious
[01:07] <Lathiat> whats g-a-i?
[01:07] <Amaranth> Lathiat: you set NoDisplay=true in the .desktop file or use an <Exclude> in applications.menu
[01:08] <Lathiat> Amaranth: so the user has a local applications.menu they can modify?
[01:08] <Amaranth> Lathiat: one gets created in ~/.config/menus/applications.menu by PyXDG
[01:09] <Lathiat> Amaranth: ah, cool
[01:09] <bob2> Amaranth: Mez if you're not seriously going to patch g-a-i, you need to add a conflict. or something.
[01:09] <bob2> leaving it broken is just crappy.
[01:10] <Amaranth> bob2: I'm not a backports guy, it's not up to me. :)
[01:10] <Amaranth> afaik g-a-i is broken in breezy too
[01:10] <Mez> bob2 - It's broken in unofficial - I've no idea why, and no idea where to fix it
[01:11] <Amaranth> Mez: it's broken in the official ones too because of pyxdg
[01:11] <bob2> Mez: is unofficial in ubuntu.com?
[01:11] <bob2> right
[01:11] <Amaranth> Mez: make pyxdg conflict with g-a-i
[01:11] <ogra> Amaranth, doesnt that break breezy ?
[01:11] <bob2> versioned conflicts, yay
[01:11] <Amaranth> bleh, he has to make it work with breezy too?
[01:11] <Mez> Amaranth, theres been changes to crap in the package I dont know about - I dont have access to it.
[01:12] <ogra> bob2, eeek
[01:12] <Mez> this is all on the UNOFFICIAL servers
[01:12] <Mez> which is going to be 403'd soon enough anyways
[01:12] <bob2> Amaranth says it's in the "official" backports archive, too
[01:12] <bob2> are yo usure that's not the case?
[01:13] <Mez> it is not in official
[01:13] <Amaranth> smeg isn't in official?
[01:13] <Mez> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Lists/hoary-backports.all.i386
[01:13] <Mez> smeg is
[01:13] <Mez> pydxg isnt
[01:13] <Amaranth> pyxdg has to be
[01:13] <Amaranth> it's called python-xdg
[01:13] <bob2> I thought smeg needed the new python-xdg?
[01:13] <Amaranth> it does
[01:14] <Mez> python-xdg isnt in official either
[01:14] <Amaranth> ...
[01:14] <Amaranth> then smeg doesn't work
[01:14] <bob2> pyxdg is the source package
[01:14] <Mez> smeg doesnt seme to be in official eother
[01:14] <Mez> either *
[01:15] <Amaranth> ok, i'll edit ubotu and tell it to stop telling users to look in backports :/
[01:15] <Mez> It's in old backports Amaranth
[01:15] <bob2> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/s/smeg/
[01:15] <bob2> that doesn't look like a proper ubuntu version
[01:15] <Amaranth> Mez: old backports are less than useful
[01:15] <Amaranth> no offense
[01:15] <bob2> smeg_0.7.5-0ubuntu1~hoary1
[01:15] <Mez> bob2, yeah, weird that- it was inthe buildQ ... but now it isnt
[01:15] <Amaranth> but there is some real crack in there
[01:15] <Amaranth> bob2: that's the backports versioning
[01:15] <Kamion> bob2: looks reasonable to m
[01:15] <Kamion> e
[01:16] <Mez> Amaranth, smeg was in official
[01:16] <bob2> Kamion: I mean, "not in an ubuntu release"; isn't that version a backport-esque one?
[01:16] <Mez> but it doesnt seem to be now
[01:16] <ogra> Mez, its there: smeg_0.7.5-0ubuntu1~hoary1_all.deb
[01:16] <Mez> ogra - yes, it may be there.
[01:17] <Mez> but, it USED to be in the lists for tbe buildd
[01:17] <Mez> now it isnt
[01:17] <Mez> so i dont know if it's actually in the repo, or just dead
[01:17] <bob2> dude
[01:17] <ogra> it built already...
[01:17] <dholbach> i'm off - see you later
[01:17] <bob2> it's in the backports repository
[01:17] <bob2> Mez: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-backports/universe/binary-i386/Packages.bz2
[01:17] <ogra> but will be uninstallable
[01:17] <Amaranth> python-xdg isn't in backports though?
[01:17] <bob2> Package: smeg
[01:17] <bob2> Filename: pool/universe/s/smeg/smeg_0.7.5-0ubuntu1~hoary1_all.deb
[01:18] <Mez> python-xdg = in backports unofficial
[01:18] <pitti> dholbach: have fun
[01:18] <Amaranth> Mez: Like I said, I will not tell users to use the old backports.
[01:18] <Mez> bob2, fair enough - confused as to why it;s not showing up
[01:18] <Mez> Amaranth, so what needs to be done to get smeg working in new backports?
[01:18] <ogra> woah.... building moodle takes more then 30min .... its just copying php files.... o_O
[01:18] <bob2> xdg is not in backports, afaict
[01:18] <pitti> Riddell: ok, I fixed the support dependency and the notification file name
[01:19] <doko> hi all
[01:19] <Riddell> pitti: I'll await the storm on breezy-changes then :)
[01:19] <Amaranth> Mez: fix g-a-i and backport it and pyxdg or add a versioned conflict against g-a-i in pyxdg and backport just it
[01:19] <bob2> doko: a zope3 guy was looking for you yesterday
[01:20] <bob2> Amaranth: how is g-a-i broken using official backports if they don't contain xdg?
[01:20] <Amaranth> bob2: he asked how to get smeg into backports
[01:20] <bob2> Amaranth: smeg is in backports
[01:20] <Amaranth> it isn't installable
[01:20] <doko> bob2: which channel?
[01:20] <bob2> doko: here
[01:20] <Amaranth> it can't be, it need pyxdg 0.14
[01:21] <bob2> doko: philiKON
[01:21] <pitti> Hi doko, welcome back
[01:21] <pitti> Riddell: language packs are filtered, they won't appear :-)
[01:21] <Mez> Amaranth, well if it's showing up in Packages.bz2 - it's installable right?
[01:21] <Amaranth> Mez: err, it can't install, it isn't possible
[01:21] <bob2> Mez: no
[01:21] <bob2> Mez: that just means it's available
[01:21] <Amaranth> Mez: the package actually does depend on pyxdg >= 0.14, i'm not stupid :)
[01:21] <bob2> it's up to the people who upload it or request the build to make sure it's installable
[01:22] <Mez> bob2/Amaranth then shoulnt it have dep-waited on the buildd
[01:22] <bob2> no
[01:22] <bob2> it built fine
[01:22] <Mez> yes, and then it needs to be installed..
[01:22] <ogra> Mez, why should it dep wait ?
[01:22] <bob2> Mez: not to build it
[01:22] <bob2> to run it, perhaps
[01:22] <ogra> all build deps were fulfilled
[01:23] <bob2> presumably it has no test suite, tho
[01:23] <Amaranth> no, it's a GUI app :P
[01:24] <Amaranth> oh, you mean like ./configure checking? it uses distutils
[01:24] <Mez> so - Amaranth what needs to be done- pydxg from breezy to be backported?
[01:24] <bob2> don't people test whether something works before asking it to be added to the backports repository?
[01:24] <Amaranth> Mez: with a versioned conflict against g-a-i in hoary
[01:24] <Mez> bob2, this was asked to be added when we thought it would build
[01:24] <Mez> Amaranth, whats the package name/
[01:25] <bob2> you need to test build, then test install, dude :)
[01:25] <Amaranth> python-xdg?
[01:25] <Mez> nvm
[01:25] <bob2> it'll build fine, it just won't be installable
[01:25] <Mez> Amaranth, to backprt that I need to get a main uploader to install it
[01:25] <Mez> modify it *
[01:25] <Mez> to put the conflict
[01:26] <Amaranth> seb128 seems to be the one that handles that package
[01:26] <seb128> which one?
[01:26] <Mez> pydxg
[01:27] <seb128> what is the issue with it?
[01:27] <Amaranth> seb128: in order to be backported it needs to conflict with the g-a-i in hoary
[01:27] <Mez> seb128, it needs to have a Conflict on the haory version of g-a-i to be backported
[01:28] <seb128> bah
[01:28] <seb128> I'll not that for next upload
[01:28] <seb128> but I already said changing packages only to fit backports is bad
[01:28] <Kamion> actually the Conflicts is not just to fit backports, it's for sane partial upgrades, surely?
[01:29] <Mez> mvo did the last upload it seems
[01:29] <seb128> dunno, pyxdg has not changed afaik
[01:29] <seb128> what file conflict?
[01:29] <Amaranth> from hoary?
[01:29] <Amaranth> the way configuration settings are set has changed completely
[01:30] <seb128> is there a file conflict?
[01:30] <Amaranth> this is why g-a-i fails in the first place
[01:30] <Amaranth> no
[01:30] <seb128> so what is the issue?
[01:30] <seb128> I'm not convinced that a Conflict is the right way to do what you want to do
[01:31] <Amaranth> g-a-i needs to be fixed in breezy and backported then
[01:32] <seb128> ie?
[01:32] <seb128> what is broken and what does fix it?
[01:33] <Amaranth> i know there was a patch in bugzilla to make g-a-i work with the new pyxdg API but i dunno if breezy has it
[01:34] <Amaranth> but i _really_ need to go to bed now, everything is a blur, my hands are shaking, and my eyes hurt
[01:34] <Amaranth> should have been in bed 3 hours ago...
[01:35] <pitti> seb128: ok, I can pull the big langpack upload trigger now :-)
[01:37] <mvo> Mez: can we talk about g-a-i and python-xdg in a couple of minutes? I would like to help you fixing it, but I'm a bit busy right now
[01:38] <mjg59> jdub: Once libvgahw.a is fixed
[01:38] <seb128> pitti: cool
[01:38] <jdub> mjg59: aha, cool - thanks :)
[01:40] <Mez> mvo: I've no idea whats going on with it - you'll need to talk with Amaranth
[01:43] <ogra> seb128, ping
[01:43] <seb128> pong
[01:43] <ogra> seb128, what do you think about AudioCDBurning.... i'd like to move it to it implemented
[01:43] <ogra> -it
[01:44] <ogra> (after looking through the bug database indeed)
[01:44] <seb128> we are obviously not changing it
[01:45] <seb128> we have not get a lot of feedback but well, move it if you want
[01:45] <ogra> seb128, yep... thats what i thought...
[01:45] <JaneW> ogra: so whats the verdict...? do we need to get more feedback still?
[01:46] <ogra> JaneW, sure, but we wont change it in big amounts... the feedback will only be regular bug reports...
[01:46] <ogra> so its fine to move it (just doing)
[01:46] <JaneW> ogra: great thanks :)))
[01:49] <ogra> done :)
[01:50] <JaneW> ogra: ta - BTW mdz wanted me to swap implemented and completed around...
[01:50] <ogra> oh
[01:50] <JaneW> I just changed it for you...
[01:51] <JaneW> with the right colour too ;)
[01:51] <ogra> thanks :)
[01:59] <Mez> mdz: ping
[02:00] <JaneW> *** Reminder: Special BreezyGoals Update Meeting in 3 hours time - Friday 5 August 2005, 15:00 UTC ***
[02:00] <mvo> Mez: he's probably sleeping
[02:00] <WaterSevenUb> Hi... gnome-app-install does not have a translatable menu entry... I would like to make a patch and correct that. No idea where to start. Help?
[02:01] <Mez> mvo: for when he wkes up
[02:02] <mvo> WaterSevenUb: have a look at http://www.niran.org/code/soc/
[02:06] <Mez> infinity: ping
[02:15] <pitti> elmo: sorry for the NEW flood of the langpacks...
[02:19] <hunger> pitti: Gibt's was neues bezglich des cryptodisk skriptes?
[02:19] <pitti> hunger: ELANG :) sorry, still no time for it
[02:19] <hunger> pitti: ELANG?
[02:20] <pitti> hunger: Inglisch schpoken hier :-)
[02:20] <hunger> pitti: Yeah, sorry, I meant to msg you personally.
[02:22] <WaterSevenUb> hhmm... it seems to me that GKSUEXEC (GKSU) does not have also a translatable GNOME menu entry "Run as different user".
[02:23] <WaterSevenUb> help?
[02:24] <hunger> do the restricted modules work in breezy? They modprobe fine here but lsmod claims they are not installed afterwards.
[02:25] <Mez> mvo: ping
[02:26] <mvo> Mez: pong
[02:26] <Mez> mvo: got a debdiff to fix one of your packages
[02:27] <mvo> Mez: nice, please mail it to me (or attach it to the bug if there is already one)
[02:27] <Mez> mvo: http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~mez/debdiff/bittornado.diff
[02:32] <Mez> It's just an unmet dep :d
[02:32] <Mez> mvo: which email address? [email protected] ?
[02:32] <mvo> Mez: yes please! thanks
[02:35] <yuacht> how stable is breezy atm? =)
[02:41] <seb128> pitti: do you know if we had any discussion about cdrdao for main?
[02:42] <\sh> seb128: for what do u need cdrdao? cue/bin stuff is handled as well bei cdrtools
[02:42] <\sh> s/bei/by/
[02:42] <seb128> nautilus-cd-burner uses that to duplicate CDs
[02:42] <ogra> seb128, we had this discussion...
[02:42] <seb128> when?
[02:42] <ogra> it was one reason we discarded gnomebaker
[02:42] <seb128> who "we"?
[02:42] <ogra> you and me
[02:43] <seb128> no
[02:43] <ogra> at udu and later here
[02:43] <seb128> we said that better to use gst than command line tools
[02:43] <seb128> for cdaudio
[02:43] <seb128> we never spoke to drop n-c-b
[02:43] <ogra> heh, nope
[02:43] <seb128> k, so n-c-b uses cdrdao
[02:43] <ogra> but we talke about cdrdao inclusion
[02:43] <seb128> that's a fact
[02:44] <\sh> seb128: can u fix it to use cdrtools?
[02:44] <seb128> how do you duplicate a CD with cdrtools?
[02:44] <\sh> dd to create the image + cdrtools to write
[02:45] <seb128> you want to make a patch for ncb ?
[02:46] <ogra> \sh, does it work on the fly if you got two CD roms ?
[02:46] <\sh> seb128: or read this one: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/man/README/README.copy
[02:46] <ogra> i think thats the rationale for using cdrdao...
[02:47] <ogra> ... not using temp space
[02:47] <Mez> doesnt cdrdao get set as suid root though
[02:47] <seb128> Mez: no
[02:48] <seb128> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 550600 2005-04-05 01:07 /usr/bin/cdrdao
[02:48] <ogra> no need for suid root stuff... we have pitti, we dont need root ;)
[02:48] <Mez> yeah, and it has to run as root
[02:48] <Mez> thats why we changed k3b not to use it IIRC
[02:48] <seb128> no
[02:49] <seb128> read /usr/share/doc/cdrdao/README.Debian
[02:49] <ogra> Mez, it should only be a matter o the right group settings
[02:49] <ogra> of even
[02:49] <seb128> it just no run with realtime
[02:49] <\sh> seb128: realtime?
[02:50] <seb128> \sh: scheduler priority
[02:50] <mvo> elmo: can you please sync python-apt from debian incoming (0.6.13.1) [override ok] ?
[02:50] <\sh> Mez: k3b needed it for vcd stuff because of cue/bin stuff and vcdimage
[02:51] <\sh> Mez: since cdrecord is supporting bin/cue k3b doesn't need it
[02:51] <ogra> seb128, realtime stuff shouldnt be an issue with burnproof enabled...
[02:51] <ogra> you might create coasters on slow machines without burnproof
[02:51] <seb128> no it's not
[02:51] <\sh> ogra: and copying cds over two drives...should be working with dd if=/dev/cdrom | cdrecord .... -dev=<second drive>
[02:52] <seb128> anyway I don't want to discuss that for hours
[02:52] <ogra> \sh, thats not an option...
[02:52] <seb128> I'm just asking pitti if he has an idea of cdrdao is suitable for main
[02:52] <seb128> not discuss how it works
[02:53] <ogra> heh... ok
[02:53] <seb128> I'm too busy to patch n-c-b all over the place to use other commands and change all the parsing code
[02:53] <seb128> so either somebody wants to patch that
[02:53] <seb128> or I'll ask to use cdrdao
[03:05] <Mez> hmmles
[03:06] <Mez> should a package be changed to suggest firefox instead of mozilla-firefox
[03:08] <pitti> Mez: yes, for breezy
[03:09] <Mez> cool
[03:12] <seb128> pitti: read my question?
[03:12] <mdke> Mez, quick backport question: is it correct that the official backports will receive no testing, whereas old backports did?
[03:12] <Mez> mdke: that's still to be checked
[03:12] <pitti> seb128: just returned from lunch
[03:12] <pitti> seb128: I talked with haggai about it a bit
[03:12] <pitti> seb128: do we need it?
[03:12] <Mez> we try to test them before hand ... but, theres shouldnt e too many problems as they;re all from breezy
[03:13] <mdke> Mez, well... so adding backports is essentially similar to simply getting packages from breezy (unstable)
[03:13] <seb128> pitti: right click on a CD from computer:///, you have an option to duplicate the CD ... that uses cdrdao
[03:13] <seb128> pitti: we can
[03:13] <seb128> 1- suggest cdrdao, let it to universe, and not get that working out of the box
[03:14] <seb128> 2- promote cdrdao
[03:14] <seb128> 3- rewrite n-c-b code to use something else
[03:14] <seb128> I'm too busy for 3, so either somebody step for that
[03:14] <pitti> seb128: as long as it's not setuid root, I don't mind including it into main
[03:14] <seb128> or that's one of the other options
[03:14] <pitti> and I don't think it's necessary
[03:14] <seb128> pitti: k, thanks
[03:14] <seb128> pitti: it's not by setuid by default
[03:15] <pitti> I talked with haggai about several cdrdao issues, but I can't remember any more...
[03:15] <seb128> what is necessary? setuid or the duplicate feature?
[03:15] <mdke> Mez, the stability section on the UbuntuBackports page is wrong then?
[03:15] <pitti> setuid, and other cdrdao bugs
[03:15] <Mez> that page needs updating mdke
[03:16] <seb128> pitti: k
[03:16] <pitti> seb128: out of the box would mean to include it in desktop seed=
[03:16] <seb128> pitti: I'll ping mdz when he's around about this before making a wiki page
[03:16] <seb128> pitti: yeah, I know
[03:16] <mdke> Mez, that's what I said
[03:16] <Mez> mdke: that's for the old backprots
[03:16] <pitti> ?
[03:17] <Mez> mdke: feel free to update
[03:17] <mdke> Mez, well the "How to use" section is for new backports isn't it?
[03:17] <seb128> pitti: is this "?" for me?
[03:17] <pitti> nevermind :-)
[03:17] <pitti> it belonged to the seed question
[03:19] <Mez> mdke: yes, someone from docteam changed it
[03:19] <mdke> Mez, ok i've made some changes to the page, better check
[03:20] <seb128> pitti: oh, yep, we should have it with the desktop
[03:20] <pitti> seb128: who was the libnotify maintainer again (nick)?
[03:20] <seb128> Chipx86
[03:20] <pitti> I continue debugging now
[03:20] <pitti> thanks
[03:20] <mdke> Mez, i wonder if bugs with the new backports should be filed as breezy bugs?
[03:21] <Mez> mdke: theres a place to file them
[03:21] <mdke> Mez, on the forum?
[03:21] <mdke> or malone?
[03:22] <Mez> mdke: https://launchpad.net/products/ubp-hoary/+filebug
[03:22] <mdke> ok i'll add that to the page
[03:22] <Mez> ;)
[03:23] <mdke> Mez, so if the bug is with breezy, you can easily push it along, that's cool
[03:24] <yuacht> how long is it until X is stable for all-day use in breezy? =)
[03:25] <mdke> Mez, ok page updated
[03:26] <janimo> yuacht, it is pretty usable already, see daniels' mail today on the ubuntu lists
[03:26] <pitti> seb128: do you know a bit about libpopt? Is it used in many gnome programs?
[03:26] <yuacht> will do! appearantly my subscription doesn't work then since i've recieved nothing, betted sign up again
[03:26] <seb128> pitti: yep and yep
[03:26] <pitti> seb128: it fails right on parsing the command line args with popt
[03:26] <pitti> seb128: so libpopt generally works on ppc?
[03:27] <seb128> correct
[03:27] <pitti> ok, thanks
[03:27] <seb128> np
[03:31] <bddebian> Hello
[03:31] <\sh> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libopenh323-1.15.3c2_1.15.3-3_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libopenh323.so.1.15.3', which is also in package libopenh323-1.15.2c2
[03:33] <WaterSevenUb> Carlos: why are there Portuguese and Portuguese (Portugal), besides the brazilian portuguese? It seems a problem, no ? (i'll be back in a few minutes).
[03:35] <carlos> WaterSevenUb, because people choose to translate using those language codes, by default we are offering now Portuguese or Brazilian Portuguese and nothing more
[03:36] <crispin> \sh: yeah, I get that as well
[03:36] <hunger_> crispin: \sh: so did I.
[03:39] <carlos> pitti, how is called your script to extract .po and .pot files from build packages? extract_po?
[03:40] <pitti> carlos: pkgstriptranslations, it's a pacakge
[03:40] <carlos> ok
[03:40] <carlos> thanks
[03:44] <\sh> i just used dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libopenh232*
[03:44] <\sh> now it's working
[03:46] <WaterSevenUb> carlos: hhmm... There are three types of "portuguese" in Rosetta. "Portuguese", "Portuguese (Portugal)", "Portuguese (Brazil)". The "Portuguese" is the active translation to Portuguese. However, if a user arrives to "Portuguese(Portugal)" it can translate too, perhaps the same templates that are already translated in "Portuguese". So, are the templates in "Portuguese (Portugal)" integrated to "Portuguese"=
[03:46] <WaterSevenUb> carlos: but if they are integrated it seems to me conflicts can arise....
[03:47] <carlos> wasabi, Portuguese(Portugal) does not appear to create new translations, only if someone created it before we "hide" it or if there is already a pt_PT.po file that gets imported into Rosetta
[03:48] <carlos> s/wasabi/WaterSevenUb/
[03:50] <calc> how do you make nfs work on ubuntu, it seems rpc is disabled for external interfaces
[03:50] <Lathiat> calc: apt-get install portmap?
[03:51] <ogra> calc, theris a howto on the wiki
[03:51] <calc> ah i found it now
[03:51] <calc> it is blocked by default and you have to allow it in hosts.allow
[03:53] <calc> hmm that comment i read was just junk
[03:53] <calc> heh
[04:00] <calc> even after doing all of that i still end up getting an "RPC: Program not registered" error
[04:00] <ogra> you started portmap and nfs-kernel-server ?
[04:01] <ogra> s/started/restarted/
[04:02] <calc> ah i forgot to restart nfs-kernel-server that was the problem, thanks
[04:02] <Lathiat> calc: have you got a firewall?
[04:02] <ogra> :)
[04:02] <Lathiat> ah
[04:02] <calc> now it acts like its mounting it but hangs
[04:02] <calc> Lathiat: not between the ubuntu box and knoppix machine trying nfs mount
[04:03] <calc> seems it just had to time out on something it eventually finished mounting
[04:04] <ogra> infinity, ping
[04:07] <carlos> pitti, hi, around?
[04:08] <pitti> carlos: yes
[04:08] <carlos> pitti, I just sent you a draft of the spec about oo.org and firefox language packs
[04:09] <carlos> pitti, I did a mistake with the attachments
[04:09] <carlos> but you should have it in a new email
[04:09] <carlos> pitti, would you take a look on it before leaving today?
[04:09] <pitti> elmo: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg received a segmentation fault.
[04:10] <pitti> elmo: sorry, that was not for you
[04:10] <pitti> carlos: yes, sure
[04:10] <carlos> pitti, thank you
[04:11] <carlos> pitti, I will send it again with your input changes and with copy to doko later today
[04:11] <doko> carlos: did you send something to me already?
[04:12] <carlos> doko, oh, are you online?
[04:12] <carlos> doko, I thought you were not....
[04:12] <doko> I was offline until 14:00 UTC
[04:14] <carlos> doko, sent
[04:16] <dholbach> re
[04:16] <doko> pitti: is there a list of locales/country codes for which lanugage packs are built?
[04:17] <mvo> elmo: synaptic sync from incoming please (support for apt >= 0.6.40)
[04:17] <pitti> yes
[04:18] <pitti> doko: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/langpacks/countries http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/langpacks/languages
[04:19] <pitti> doko: however, we don't have all of these
[04:19] <pitti> doko: apt-cache search language-pack
[04:30] <pef> hello
[04:33] <ogra> Kamion, i committed two small changes to the edubuntu seeds can you merge it ?
[04:33] <Kamion> merge to where?
[04:36] <Kamion> ogra: ^--
[04:40] <Mez> Cxx Transition at the moment is just a new soname right?
[04:40] <Mez> meh
[04:40] <Mez> nvm
[04:42] <mdz> seb128: yes?
[04:42] <mdz> Mez: yes?
[04:42] <mvo> good morning mdz
[04:42] <mdz> morning
[04:43] <ogra> grmpf
[04:47] <seb128> mdz: hi
pitti: right click on a CD from computer:///, you have an option to duplicate the CD ... that uses cdrdao
pitti: we can
1- suggest cdrdao, let it to universe, and not get that working out of the box
2- promote cdrdao
3- rewrite n-c-b code to use something else
I'm too busy for 3, so either somebody step for that
[04:47] <seb128>
[04:48] <pitti> brb
[04:48] <seb128> mdz: any opinion on moving cdrdao to desktop for that?
[04:50] <JaneW> *** Reminder: Special BreezyGoals Update Meeting in 10 mins time - Friday 5 August 2005, 15:00 UTC ***
[04:50] <JaneW> in #ubuntu-meeting
[04:50] <mdz> seb128: should be ok, as long as it isn't setuid or anything (main inclusion report)
[04:51] <seb128> mdz: k. I was asking if there is objections before making a wiki page for it. Thanks
[04:54] <Mez> what would the reason be for a package to just... not exist in breezy if it existed in hoayr
[04:55] <bddebian> Mez: It has been replaced / supersceded?
[04:56] <hunger> Any chance of getting the new qemu version into breezy? It is out for a while now... and the old deb is not even installable in breezy:-(
[04:57] <pitti> argh, I get a neverending succession of panel failures...
[04:57] <pitti> grumpf
[05:02] <seb128> pitti__: when that happens for the panel: gnome-session-remove gnome-panel && gnome-panel
[05:03] <pitti__> thanks
[05:07] <doko> carlos: where can I get the draft in text form?
[05:08] <Mez> bddebian, not as far as i can see
[05:11] <carlos> doko, It's a wiki only available from Brazil
[05:12] <sladen> hunger: if it's not installable, that's a bug and should be fixed
[05:12] <carlos> doko, I can send you the wiki page content as a text file if you want
[05:13] <doko> carlos: would be nice
[05:13] <sladen> hunger: however, it's UVF and so if it can be fixed with a patch (I think somebody mentioned it was the BIOS) that would be better
[05:13] <hunger> sladen: UVF?
[05:15] <janimo> qemu is in universe so no strict UVF
[05:15] <janimo> hunger, upstream version freeze
[05:16] <bddebian> Mez: What package?
[05:16] <carlos> doko, pitti sent
[05:16] <hunger> jamesh: What does that mean?
[05:17] <ogra> janimo, even universe packages need approval
[05:17] <janimo> elmo is known to sync if asked nicely ;)
[05:17] <ogra> janimo, (it is granted normally without probs, but UVF applies to universe too)
[05:17] <hunger> Well, qemu is not installable at this time and outdated on top of that;-)
[05:18] <janimo> hunger, debian does not have 7.1 either, maybe a bug needs to be filed on them
[05:18] <janimo> 0.7.1
[05:18] <janimo> ogra, I know but it's not strict as I was saying :)
[05:19] <ogra> janimo, but there shouldnt be upstream version updates without a request...
[05:20] <janimo> ogra, sure
[05:41] <_d4vid> i become at start this..
[05:41] <_d4vid> gnome start
[05:42] <_d4vid> Error activating XKB configuration.
[05:42] <_d4vid> It can happen under various circumstances:
[05:42] <_d4vid> - a bug in libxklavier library
[05:42] <_d4vid> - a bug in X server (xkbcomp, xmodmap utilities)
[05:42] <_d4vid> - X server with incompatible libxkbfile implementation
[05:42] <_d4vid> X server version data:
[05:42] <_d4vid> The X.Org Foundation
[05:42] <_d4vid> 60802000
[05:42] <_d4vid> If you report this situation as a bug, please include:
[05:42] <_d4vid> - The result of xprop -root | grep XKB
[05:42] <_d4vid> - The result of gconftool-2 -R /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/kbd
[05:42] <tseng> please dont flood the channel.
[05:42] <_d4vid> where can i post it _
[05:42] <_d4vid> ?..
[05:42] <HWolf> pastebin
[05:43] <Kamion> or a bug report
[05:46] <shaya> for those having problems with being unable to switch to VTs from X, I just fixed it for myself
[05:46] <shaya> purged xkeyboard-config (force-depends) and then reinstalled it
[05:46] <shaya> base.lst (which a bunch of symlinks pointed to) wasn't there
[05:46] <shaya> I then had to stop X and restart it for it to work.
[05:46] <Makako> I believe it's not only that, all special characters stopped working after a dist-upgrade
[05:47] <Makako> Even the pipe symbol and such
[05:47] <shaya> you can tell if this is a problem if you run setxkbmap and it complains about being unable to find some files
[05:47] <shaya> Makako: try what I just said
[05:47] <shaya> purge xkeyboard-config
[05:47] <shaya> reinstall it (apt-get -f install)
[05:47] <Makako> Thx
[05:47] <shaya> you probably don't have a base.lst file in /etc/X11/xkb/rules/
[05:49] <shaya> any change?
[05:50] <Makako> I just have no access to my Breezy installation.
[05:50] <shaya> ah
[05:51] <Makako> But the X packages seem to have more bugs: The link /etc/X11/X points to a file which doesn't exist
[05:51] <Makako> Most recent packaages
[05:52] <shaya> not on my system
[05:52] <_d4vid> Section "InputDevice"
[05:52] <_d4vid> Identifier "Generic Keyboard"
[05:52] <_d4vid> Driver "kbd"
[05:52] <shaya> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 2005-06-10 11:58 /etc/X11/X -> /usr/bin/X11/Xorg
[05:52] <_d4vid> is ok so ?
[05:52] <Makako> /usr/bin/X11/Xorg doesn't exist anymore, the binary is in /usr/bin/X11R6/Xorg
[05:53] <shaya> hmm
[05:53] <shaya> on my system is exists
[05:53] <mdz> infinity: #ubuntu-meeting
[05:53] <Makako> I will do a fresh breezy install and dist-upgrade later today
[05:53] <shaya> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 2005-07-20 10:02 /usr/bin/X11/Xorg -> ../X11R6/bin/Xorg
[05:53] <shaya> maybe i created that?
[05:53] <shaya> don't remember
[05:53] <Makako> shaya: Maybe. ;)
[05:53] <shaya> dpkg -S doesn't find it
[05:54] <Makako> shaya: That's normal coz the link gets created with a post-install (or pre-install?) script
[05:54] <Makako> shaya: dpkg -S doesn't find these
[05:54] <shaya> greping dpkg/info/*
[05:54] <shaya> xserver-xorg.postinst:THIS_SERVER=/usr/bin/X11/Xorg
[05:55] <shaya> ln -sf "$THIS_SERVER" "$NEW_SERVER_SYMLINK"
[05:55] <Makako> hmm...
[05:55] <shaya> hmm
[05:55] <shaya> cant tell what its doing
[05:55] <shaya> but its deffinitely trying to handle it
[05:55] <shaya> :)
[05:55] <Makako> seems like
[06:01] <Kamion> shaya: that symlink needs to be made absolute rather than relative
[06:01] <Kamion> because /usr/bin/X11 is a symlink to /usr/bin, so ../* symlinks pointing out of it are a bit of a movable feast
[06:03] <shaya> Kamion: so you're saying my X is going to break again?
[06:04] <Mez> daniels: ping
[06:04] <lamont> shaya: it's always going to break again, the question is "_when_?"
[06:43] <lifeless> seb128: when I install nautilus-python, then run nautiluls-file-management-properties it segfaults
[06:43] <lifeless> do you know/care/hint ?
[06:44] <lifeless> in fact, its called abort from within libnautilus-python.so
[06:46] <seb128> that's a known issue here and upstream
[06:46] <seb128> upstream recommended to drop the package
[06:47] <lifeless> ouch
[06:47] <seb128> there is a new upstream version since, but nautilus doesn't start here with it
[06:47] <seb128> so I've not uploaded it, I need to start that with jdahlin (upstream)
[06:47] <seb128> s/start/sort/
[06:48] <seb128> it's quite low priority atm though
[06:48] <lifeless> ok
[06:48] <lifeless> want a cheap hack to let it work ?
[06:48] <seb128> yes please
[06:49] <lifeless> src/nautilusmodule.c - comment out the Py_FatalError(..);
[06:49] <lifeless> that will make it not init the module peroperly, but letfile-management-properties work
[06:49] <seb128> k, will do that, so at least it doesn't crash nautilus for users who have it installed :)
[06:49] <lifeless> great, thanks
[06:49] <seb128> thanks
[06:49] <seb128> np
[06:50] <HiddenWolf> ubuntu-desktop depends gnomeoffice depends gimp depends libexif10 -> uninstallable
[06:50] <HiddenWolf> :(
[06:51] <Kamion> gimp is dep-wait aalib1-dev, needs a buildd admin to kick it
[06:51] <seb128> that's known and waiting for a buildd guy to kick the build
[06:51] <HiddenWolf> right. :)
[06:51] <HiddenWolf> xorg worked out of the box tho. At least, seems like it. :)
[06:51] <HiddenWolf> Go daniels!
[06:52] <Lathiat> haha
[06:52] <koke> pitti: what happened to https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/907 ??
[06:53] <pitti> koke: oh, apparently nobody uploaded it so far
[06:54] <koke> I tracked hoary-changes but forgot about it some time ago :)
[06:54] <koke> I've just found the bug again
[06:54] <koke> 6th in the list and assigned to me :)
[06:54] <pitti> from time to time I check the Debian status of such bugs, but it's not yet fixed in Debian
[06:55] <pitti> koke: if you wnat to upload it, just go ahead
[06:55] <koke> I can't now :(
[06:55] <koke> maybe yes, I don't have my gpg key here
[06:56] <koke> but meybe the package was uploaded to my server signed
[06:56] <pitti> koke: then please email me a debdiff
[06:56] <pitti> koke: I don't look at malone bugs, but I read my email :-)
[06:56] <koke> :D
[07:04] <_d4vid> what i need to change that xkb works correctly ?
[07:08] <koke> pitti: sent
[07:08] <pitti> thx
[07:11] <ogra> pitti, already going ? or do you have a minute ?
[07:11] <pitti> one minute is fine :-)
[07:11] <seb128> _d4vid: read daniels' mail on the lists from this morning
[07:12] <dholbach> bye everybody, i'm off
[07:22] <bob2> someone fix firefox so it doesn't loose my history when it crashes
[07:22] <bob2> kthx
[07:23] <Lathiat> the tab crash recover thing might be handy
[07:23] <bob2> losing the contents of the url history is just crap
[07:24] <Kamion> mdz: base-config ready to go for InstallerStage2Progress, but I have to run now, so it'll be when I get back
[07:26] <Nafallo> mako: we might have a swedish loco soon ;-)
[07:28] <CarlFK> Kamion - http://pictures.personnelware.com/carl/temp/P1010048.JPG
[07:29] <CarlFK> A) it errored, B) there is no bootstrap.log in /t/v/log
[07:29] <CarlFK> if I don't get a responce, ill bugzilla
[07:33] <jasoncohen> Mez, thanks for getting mozilla-mplayer with gtk2 into breezy
[07:34] <Mez> jasoncohen, no problem
[07:34] <Mez> now i need to get it working on amd64
[07:34] <lamont> mdz: ping
[07:35] <mdz> Kamion: cool
[07:35] <mdz> lamont: pong
[07:35] <jasoncohen> Mez, any reason 2.85 isn't going into breezyZ?
[07:35] <jasoncohen> *breezy
[07:36] <Mez> UV
[07:36] <Mez> UVF *
[07:43] <pef> bye !
[07:43] <_d4vid> hi all
[07:43] <shaya> today's libsoup upgrade broke evolution
[07:43] <shaya> so name change (.7->.8) making calendar and tasklist unlinkable
[07:44] <shaya> mailer/contacts still work
[07:44] <shaya> seemingly a symlink from .8 -> .7 lets it work
[08:23] <CarlFK> ok, where do I post breezy bugs?
[08:23] <ogra> bugzilla and malone
[08:23] <CarlFK> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[08:24] <ogra> for main
[08:24] <CarlFK> breezy setup
[08:24] <ogra> breezy setup ?
[08:24] <CarlFK> yes
[08:25] <ogra> you mean the installer ...
[08:25] <CarlFK> http://pictures.personnelware.com/carl/temp/P1010048.JPG
[08:25] <CarlFK> yes
[08:25] <ogra> bugzilla then
[08:25] <ogra> universe bugs go to https://launchpad.net/malone/, but the installer is surely main ;)
[08:25] <CarlFK> yup
[08:53] <RapaportM> can anyone troubleshoot an install error with me?
[08:58] <kilo-bug> where can i get wine
[08:59] <kilo-bug> plz
[08:59] <ogra> bottleshop ?
[08:59] <kilo-bug> haha
[08:59] <kilo-bug> lol
[08:59] <kilo-bug> :P
[08:59] <ogra> its in universe
[08:59] <kilo-bug> the application
[08:59] <kilo-bug> universe?
[08:59] <ogra> and this is a #ubuntu question ;)
[08:59] <kilo-bug> les
[09:00] <kilo-bug> wine alows you to run windows app in linux
[09:00] <dholbach> hi
[09:01] <dholbach> are there any other UbuntuExpress hackers around?
[09:01] <ogra> dholbach, they arent around here
[09:01] <ogra> dholbach, look if there is a #guadalinex channel....
[09:02] <dholbach> thanks ogra
[09:06] <sivang> hey people
[09:06] <sivang> how's friday going? :)
[09:06] <thesaltydog> not bad... summer holidays start on monday :-)
[09:06] <sivang> Can anybody help me set up a library build by autotools, I need to toss some functions in, and don't really know what's needed to do that using autotools.
[09:07] <sivang> thesaltydog: you a student ?
[09:07] <thesaltydog> sivang, ??? I was, many years ago...
[09:08] <sivang> thesaltydog: ah, you mentioned summer holidays so I thougth you were one..
[09:08] <thesaltydog> worker summer holidays
[09:13] <ogra> woah, my evo just crashed....
[09:14] <ogra> it has a autorecovery function for unsent messages now... extremly cool
[09:19] <eruin> what's the language select command thats supposed to be in system->administration in breezy now?
[09:20] <dholbach> eruin: doesnt it show up in the menu after installation?
[09:20] <eruin> dholbach, nope, not after a gnome-panel restart, x restart or even reboot
[09:20] <dholbach> wow
[09:20] <eruin> I thought so too
[09:20] <eruin> :P
[09:21] <dholbach> and you DID install language-selector? :)
[09:21] <eruin> not explicitly, no
[09:21] <dholbach> oh well... then :)
[09:21] <dholbach> hope that helps :)
[09:21] <eruin> doing that now :P
[09:21] <ogra> it just got/gets seeded to main...
[09:22] <eruin> I got a postinstall message telling me to step by that menu item thouigh ;)
[09:22] <ogra> so it will be a dependncy in the next ubuntu-desktop package
[09:23] <eruin> bah, the selector is crashing. if it works for you, I'll have to file a bug
[09:23] <eruin> but right now I'm out of battery power.
[09:23] <dholbach> eruin: when does it crash?
[09:24] <dholbach> right after startup?
[09:24] <eruin> yup
[09:24] <dholbach> maybe if you start it from the command line it says something
[09:24] <eruin> yeah, I get some python futurewarning stuff and AttributeError: 'Package' object has no attribute 'IsInstalled'
[09:25] <dholbach> ah ok... do you have a brand-new super-updated breezy?
[09:25] <dholbach> might be because of the latest apt/python-apt crack it needs
[09:25] <dholbach> that should be in the depends: line though
[09:27] <thesaltydog> ciao daniel, just a fast hello before leaving the pc..
[09:27] <dholbach> have a nice weekend/holidays
[09:27] <thesaltydog> you too! thanks.
[09:27] <dholbach> thank you :)
[09:29] <eruin> dholbach: http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/979 if youre interested in the output
[09:30] <dholbach> eruin: thank you very much - i will tell mvo about it - he'll be delighted
[09:30] <eruin> :)
[09:30] <dholbach> eruin: did you upgrade to a newer apt?
[09:30] <eruin> yeah, earlier today
[09:31] <dholbach> oh well
[09:31] <dholbach> hm
[09:31] <eruin> I do a distupgrade probably ten times a day
[09:31] <eruin> :P
[09:31] <dholbach> i see :)
[09:31] <dholbach> ok... i'll forward his message to him next week
[09:31] <eruin> thanks mate ;)
[09:32] <dholbach> de rien :)
[10:02] <lifeless> mdz: around ?
[10:06] <doko> carlos: updated the wiki text, sent you email
[10:10] <carlos> doko, cool, thanks
[10:13] <HiddenWolf> yuk, gthumb is still uninstallable
[10:25] <jdub> mjg59: ping
[10:30] <jdub> Kamion: woooo!
[10:34] <lifeless> sebbtw, python-autilus 0.4.0 works for me
[10:34] <lifeless> bah
[10:38] <mdz> lifeless: barely
[10:40] <thesaltydog> c' qualcuno pratico di gpog che mi d una mano? Sono all'inizio...
[10:40] <thesaltydog> sorry.. wrong channel..
[10:41] <lifeless> mdz: nevermind, we decided it was crack.
[10:41] <lifeless> oh, and I've signed the Coc now :) ... we've fixed subkey support in launchpad
[11:02] <dholbach> robitaille: your jdub mail was WAY cool :)
[11:03] <doko> mdz: are driver updates for l-r-m be possible after Aug 11?
[11:06] <sabdfl> jdub: ping
[11:33] <Kamion> hmm, I guess KDE should only have the KDE langpacks seeded, not GNOME
[11:34] <Kamion> s/KDE should/Kubuntu should/
[11:34] <Kamion> Edubuntu looks like it needs both GNOME and KDE langpacks
[11:35] <Mez> hmm, how do you get the source our of an rpm/srpm
[11:35] <hubW> Mez: alien -t rpmfile.src.rpm
[11:36] <Kamion> 'rpm2cpio | cpio -id' on the .srpm
[11:36] <hubW> or that :-)
[11:36] <Mez> lol
[11:37] <ogra> Kamion, it does...sadly :/
[11:37] <Mez> Kamion, do I just pipe the file into that or something?
[11:38] <Kamion> man rpm
[11:38] <Kamion> er
[11:38] <Kamion> man rpm2cpio
[11:38] <lamont> mdz: eta on i386 is ~60 min to upload
[11:41] <Kamion> so looks like I should install language-pack-$LL and language-pack-gnome-$LL on Ubuntu, and language-pack-$LL and language-pack-kde-$LL on Kubuntu
[11:42] <Kamion> ogra: for Edubuntu, should I install all three sets by default?
[11:42] <ogra> yes
[11:42] <Kamion> ok
[11:42] <ogra> and at some point even all languages ...
[11:43] <aigarius> libopenh323-1.15.3c2 is broken in breezy - it must declare a conflict on libopenh323-1.15.2c2. breaks gnomemeeting
[11:43] <ogra> aigarius, its fixed
[11:44] <ogra> dunno if its already in the archive
[11:44] <Nafallo> ogra: not yet
[11:44] <Nafallo> atleast that's my experience ;-)
[11:44] <aigarius> ogra, that is the best reply to a bug report :)
[11:45] <ogra> Accepted openh323 1.15.3-3ubuntu1 (source)
[11:45] <ogra> look if you already have this version...if yes, file a bug... if no, just wat
[11:45] <ogra> wait even
[11:45] <aigarius> no my version was 1.15.3-3
[11:46] <ogra> lamont Cxx transition breakage
[11:46] <aigarius> lamont, package name update due to C++ transition
[11:46] <lamont> ah, binpackage conflicts, ok
[11:47] <Nafallo> lamont: :-)
[11:48] <Nafallo> why does upgrade-notifier tell me there are three updates when there isn't?
[11:50] <aigarius> applet looks at all updates, but the app filters out the impossible ones :)
[11:52] <Nafallo> aigarius: nope, there are nine impossibles :-)
[11:53] <Kamion> ok, cdimage should handle new language packs now
[11:53] <Nafallo> xlibs, xlibs-data and xorg-common is not impossible though. but they doesn't show up on the list.
[11:53] <Nafallo> strange
[11:53] <Kamion> update-manager only does things that work by 'apt-get upgrade', i.e. no package additions or removals
[11:53] <Nafallo> nice Kamion :-)
[11:53] <ogra> Kamion, thanks
[11:54] <aigarius> Nafallo, exactly. the application says you that it will not update this and that, but the tray applet still thinks that these packages are updatable
[11:54] <Nafallo> aigarius: synaptic does not say that though.
[11:55] <Nafallo> this is strange. first time I stumbled upon it to.
[11:58] <Nafallo> apt-get --dry-run upgrade agrees those three should be installable.
[11:59] <Kamion> lamont: hmm, d'oh, I just did an ia64 daily d-i build by mistake
[11:59] <Kamion> I'd forgotten you'd disabled them
[11:59] <lamont> Kamion: np/
[12:00] <lamont> it was more me trying to avoid causing the extra digit when I finally do build a kernel that works
[12:00] <Kamion> were they disabled because newer builds would be b0rken?
[12:00] <lamont> older builds are b0rken, too.
[12:00] <Kamion> too late, I caused the extra digit for the other arches anyway because I needed to test my cdebconf kickstart fix from earlier today fairly urgently
[12:00] <lamont> our 2.6.12 and ia64 don't like each other very much
[12:00] <lamont> np
[12:01] <lamont> it was more just a case of 'it's trivial to turn off, and won't work in any case' kind of thing for ia6
[12:01] <lamont> 43
[12:01] <Kamion> ia643? :)
[12:01] <lamont> feh
[12:01] <lamont> damn keyboard
[12:01] <lamont> Kamion: for console-data/hppa, should I just add it in the same place as ia64 sits???
[12:02] <Kamion> s'pose so, I don't always understand console-* so well
[12:02] <Kamion> following existing practice++
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[12:10] <carlos> salgado, oh, not sure, that's why I was confused with the rights being an admin, I was able to promote to others users to Admins on that team without being the owner, just an Admin
[12:10] <elmo> jordi: redirection to sindomino
[12:10] <jordi> elmo: both@canonical and @ubuntu?
[12:10] <jordi> elmo: ok
[12:10] <elmo> real mail server depends on account which depends on contract
[12:10] <elmo> + confirmation
[12:10] <elmo> jordi: yes
[12:10] <carlos> salgado, but I suppose it was because I was a member of the team and was not related with being an admin...
[12:10] <jordi> elmo: I see
[12:10] <jordi> elmo: I'll scan it tomorrow. Faxing it seems quite difficult here in August.
[12:11] <carlos> jordi, those problems are not related with Rosetta so my answers are a bit limited
[12:12] <jordi> carlos: ok
[12:12] <jordi> let's walk through this
[12:13] <jordi> xqf has a "MAIN" release series
[12:13] <jordi> which I guess was created automatically when the series thign was implemented
[12:13] <jordi> the template that was in rosetta before this, was it lost?
[12:14] <jordi> there were some ongoing translations there
[12:14] <carlos> jordi, all products on launchpad have a MAIN release series, that's kind of HEAD on CVS
[12:14] <jordi> carlos: right
[12:14] <carlos> jordi, the template you imported on December was moved to Ubuntu
[12:14] <carlos> jordi, we moved all potemplates that were not supported directly by upstream
[12:15] <jordi> what if I am upstream, kinda? :)
[12:15] <jordi> ok, so I should just import those from ubuntu?
[12:16] <carlos> jordi, I could move them back to the product (and you as a Rosetta expert)
[12:16] <carlos> jordi, as I don't think we got too many translations from Ubuntu
[12:16] <jordi> nod
[12:16] <jordi> want me to try to do it?
[12:17] <carlos> jordi, if you will take care to upload new .pot files when they are ready and get the updated .po files and send them to XQF cvs... yes
[12:17] <jordi> yeahg
[12:19] <lifeless> jordi - xqf's main was added during the import sprint I think
[12:19] <lifeless> you probably cannot edit it unles you are the xqf owner, or on the xqf team
[12:25] <carlos> jordi, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/hoary/+sources/xqf/+pots/xqf/+admin
[12:25] <carlos> jordi, change it from there
[12:26] <carlos> jordi, you need to leave empty hte sourcepackagename and distrorelease empty and select the productseries where it should be moved to
[12:26] <carlos> jordi, also, change the owner to you as the maintainer of that POTemplate
[12:30] <jordi> carlos: no perms to access that
[12:30] <carlos> hmm
[12:31] <carlos> ok, I was not sure, but that confirms that Mark asked that only admin can do that action
[12:31] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: [r=bjornt] generate the bugtask search results table through a macro, and use that macro in both the regular bug listing and the assigned bugs page (as a second-callsite-test). Does some ZCML cleanups, too. Enjoy (patch-2230: [email protected])
[12:33] <carlos> jordi, and I cannot do it because the change from release to series...
[12:33] <carlos> jordi, remind me it next week
[12:33] <carlos> I need to fix the code and it should be moved into production so will take a week or so
[12:33] <jordi> ok
[12:37] <carlos> jordi, please, file a bug so I don't forget it :-)
[12:37] <carlos> jordi, you should say thank you because your karma gets higher with all those bug reports :-)
[12:39] <jordi> carlos: that I have no access to that page?
[12:41] <carlos> jordi, no, that xqf should be moved back to the product
[12:41] <carlos> jordi, that page is only for admins, it's my fault, I forgot it
[12:41] <carlos> jordi, admins == launchpad admins
[12:42] <jordi> oops
[12:42] <jordi> too late.
[12:46] <jordi> carlos: #1675
[01:00] <carlos> jordi, thanks
[01:01] <jordi> #1675 is to close I guess
[01:02] <carlos> jordi, I did it already
[01:02] <jordi> k
[01:22] <carlos> night
[01:53] <mpt> slackers
[01:53] <jordi> yeah
[01:53] <jordi> it's quite late here
[01:53] <jordi> and here I am, fixing Debian
[01:55] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: [rs=bjornt,bradb] make the latest bugs portlet available for distributions and distroreleases, and wire it all together. Nukes the remnant of the *anorak* view. Crocodiles be us. (patch-2231: [email protected])
[01:56] <mpt> have fun :-)
[02:25] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: [r=kiko] main template tweaks for accessibility (patch-2232: [email protected])
[11:29] <WaterSevenUb> hi
[11:32] <WaterSevenUb> can you explain me why for example in French templates (Breezy) there is a "gnome-app-install" and there is none in Portuguese?
[11:32] <WaterSevenUb> thx
[12:03] <_Raptor_> try #ubuntu
[01:15] <lifeless> WaterSevenUb: it just means noone is translating gnome-app-install into Portuguese yet - if you want to do that that would be cool
[01:16] <WaterSevenUb> yes, I want to do that... Who should I contact or what should I do?
[01:18] <lifeless> I'm not 100% sure let me try dsomething
[01:19] <lifeless> WaterSevenUb: what page are you looking at for gnome-app-install ?
[01:20] <WaterSevenUb> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+lang/fr
[01:20] <WaterSevenUb> here exists.....
[01:21] <lifeless> wa ah, so ..
[01:21] <WaterSevenUb> here doesn't https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+lang/pt
[01:21] <WaterSevenUb> maybe templates are not all imported yet?
[01:21] <lifeless> hang one second
[01:24] <lifeless> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/gnome-app-install/+translate
[01:24] <lifeless> thats the translation home page for that package source in breezy
[01:24] <lifeless> theres a link there on the side portal that takes you to .../+translations
[01:24] <lifeless> on that page you should see pt if its in your preferred language list
[01:24] <lifeless> and be able to start translating it immediately
[01:25] <WaterSevenUb> yes! Thanks !
[01:28] <WaterSevenUb> hhhmm... I was looking for the "Add/remove Programs" entry but is not inside this template......
[01:28] <WaterSevenUb> it is not correctly translated to Portuguese and I was trying to correct that.
[01:28] <lifeless> ah
[01:28] <WaterSevenUb> (anyway... I will translate this)
[01:28] <lifeless> probably its not one of the translated strings, you'll need to look in the source and make a patch to get it translatedable first.
[01:29] <lifeless> you can grab the source using baz - http://bazaar.ubuntu.com/[email protected]/gnome-app-install--MAIN--0
[01:31] <lifeless> the reason that gnome-app-install wasn't shown in the list at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+lang is because that page only shows the partly or fully translated programs. programs that are not yet translated into that language dont shjow up
[01:31] <lifeless> this is arguably a bug, and I'm filing a bug report fo r you now
[01:31] <WaterSevenUb> (aaaah! now makes sense)
[01:31] <WaterSevenUb> now... to make the patch... what are the steps? I have no idea...
[01:34] <lifeless> be back in a minute
[01:34] <lifeless> ELIFE
[01:36] <lifeless> WaterSevenUb: for the patch - I think your best bet is to hop over to #ubuntu-devel and say that you want to do a patch for this, and how would they perfer it be done
[01:36] <lifeless> or ubuntu-motu if you are new to this sort of thing, asn they are very good at tutoring
[01:38] <WaterSevenUb> :) great.
[01:42] <Nafallo> why can't my girlfriend save in Rosetta?
[01:42] <jordi> what is she getting?
[01:42] <lifeless> uhm
[01:42] <Nafallo> Application error. Unauthenticated user POSTing to page that requires authentication.
[01:43] <Nafallo> on AboutUbuntu in hoary
[01:43] <lifeless> Nafallo: she should log in first
[01:43] <lifeless> Nafallo: what url is she on at the moment ?
[01:43] <jordi> hmm, has her session expired or something?
[01:43] <Nafallo> lifeless: she is, according to the top
[01:43] <Nafallo> jordi: is it a timeout on Rosetta? :-O
[01:43] <lifeless> Nafallo: fire up antoher browser window and log in there :)
[01:44] <lifeless> Nafallo: rosetta thinks she isn't logged in which is why you are seeing that message.
[01:44] <gothcat> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/hoary/+sources/ubuntu-docs/+pots/aboutubuntu/sv/+translate
[01:44] <Nafallo> lifeless: oki, thanx :-)
[01:46] <gothcat> lifeless: thanx
[01:46] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: po translation page location fixes, and new-style cve support [r=spiv,lifeless] (patch-2233: [email protected])
[01:46] <lifeless> gothcat: no probs
[01:47] <Nafallo> but still, why is it a timeout there? should be reset on a keystroke basis or something :-P
[01:48] <lifeless> WaterSevenUb: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1682
[01:48] <lifeless> cprov: morning dude
[01:50] <Nafallo> morning cprov :-)
[01:51] <cprov> lifeless: hey, have you already tested subkey signatures in prodution ?
[01:51] <lifeless> cprov: not tested yet, that reminds me :)
[01:51] <carlos> morning
[01:51] <Nafallo> morning carlos :-)
[01:51] <lifeless> carlos: WaterSevenUb in this channel reported this to me https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1682
[01:52] <cprov> Nafallo: thank you, for perform the needed tests for unicode in production. how is the life post-GPG ?
[01:53] <Nafallo> cprov: wonderful. but then, my girlfriend is stubborn and hates all of you for having timeouts and losing her translations ;-)
[01:54] <carlos> lifeless, ok, thanks. Will try to talk with Mark and mpt about it
[01:54] <Nafallo> I'm working on turning that hate to love though ;-)
[01:56] <cprov> Nafallo: quick kick on carlos would make her feelings better, wouldn't it ?
[01:56] <cprov> carlos: ^^^
[01:56] <carlos> cprov, dude, timeouts are out of my control :-)
[01:57] <cprov> carlos: I see, just joking
[01:59] <lifeless> cprov: sqweet dude, it works
[02:00] <Nafallo> cprov: my girlfriend likes you.
[02:00] <gothcat> cprov: thanx for gpg
[02:00] <lifeless> carlos - can you moderate my rosetta-uesers post please ?
[02:00] <carlos> lifeless, sure
[02:02] <cprov> lifeless: finally ;)
[02:03] <cprov> Nafallo: ehe
[02:06] <WaterSevenUb> lifeless: thanks... not only gnome-app-install, many other... but I think the message is there
[02:06] <carlos> jordi, around?
[02:06] <jordi> yes
[02:07] <carlos> jordi, I just added as an admin for the rosetta-users mailing list
[02:07] <carlos> jordi, will send you the password by email so you can help us moderating that list too
[02:07] <jordi> carlos: I so feared thjat when I saw lifeless' request :)
[02:07] <jordi> carlos: sure, you know my gpg key I guess
[02:07] <carlos> jordi, ;-)
[02:08] <carlos> jordi, I think I have it signed, so yes :-)
[02:13] <cprov> bradb: what's wrong with bug 1613 ? "the duplicated immutable bugtasks" has been already identified by kiko some time ago ... do we have an ETA for this fix ?
[02:14] <bradb> cprov: next production rollout stub says the patch'll be rolled out
[02:15] <kiko> yeah
[02:15] <kiko> I approved and landed it a while back
[02:32] <cprov> bradb: kiko: thank you
[02:32] <Nafallo> carlos: will we ever loose sweden (swedish)?
[02:32] <Nafallo> carlos: people translates that instead of sweden
[02:32] <carlos> Nafallo, no new additions for it, old ones will remain
[02:32] <kiko> swedish is so great we can translate it twice
[02:32] <Nafallo> carlos: if I look over them, can I get you to remove them one by one after my review?
[02:32] <WaterSevenUb> lifeless: I was wondering how did you find gnome-app-install sources... when I go here https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/ if I write just "gnome" it doesn't show gnome-app-install. The same happens typing "gnome-app-install" in the search box.
[02:32] <Nafallo> kiko: I rather won't have swedish (sweden) :-/
[02:32] <Nafallo> at all
[02:32] <lifeless> WaterSevenUb: the search is broken just now :[
[02:33] <cprov> spiv: ZConfig has no usable path-aware datatype ?
[02:33] <cprov> spiv: <sectiontype name="librarian_server">
[02:33] <cprov> <!-- Not 'existing-directory' because the test runner needs to
[02:33] <cprov> create it. Not 'existing-dirpath' because ZConfig will enforce it
[02:33] <cprov> for all sections, not just the one we are using -->
[02:33] <cprov> spiv: something is wrong on production config:
[02:33] <cprov> spiv: "/home/launchpad/dists/launchpad/cronscripts/../lib/canonical/launchpad/zcml/gpghandler.zcml", line 13.4 OSError: [Errno 17] File exists: '/var/tmp/gpg_home'
[02:33] <kiko> cprov, no, that's not the production config
[02:34] <kiko> the problem is that multiple instances are running at the same time
[02:34] <kiko> and they both try to access the same directory
[02:34] <kiko> cprov, look at the bug stub posted (and subscribe to launchpad-bugs)
[02:35] <carlos> Nafallo, ok, if you migrate all data and you just want it deleted, I think we can workout something
[02:36] <cprov> kiko: I don't what to say about you arrogance .. pause
[02:36] <Nafallo> carlos: nice. we will start working on that soon then :-)
[02:36] <stub> cprov: We can make new datatypes easily enough if you care - we already do this for urls. Check out canonical/config/__init__.py
[02:38] <WaterSevenUb> lifeless: there are some menu entries that I am trying to translate but, besides g-a-i which now I understand, do you know how to translate for example "Ubuntu Device Database" menu entry? "Hwdb-client" template is not available I think....
[02:38] <kiko> jordi, so, are you using ubuntu yet? :-P
[02:38] <salgado> stub, have you seen https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1683?
[02:39] <cprov> stub: yep, just because falling in "string" sounds a little bit lazy IMO, I'll look on it ... but $GNUPGHOME needs some love in direction to support multiple zope instances
[02:40] <lifeless> WaterSevenUb: I'd ask on #ubuntu or ubuntu-devel to figure out the source package.
[02:40] <lifeless> then visit .../+sources/packagename/+translating
[02:40] <lifeless> erm.. +translations
[02:40] <stub> cprov: I reported a bug on this suggesting just using a temp directory. I don't see why it needs to be persistant.
[02:40] <stub> (persistant across invokations of the script/application I mean. We want to use the same dir while the tool is running)
[02:40] <lifeless> it doesn't need to persist at all
[02:40] <stub> salgado: Yes - robert was bitching at me about it
[02:40] <WaterSevenUb> lifeless: I search the packagename in packages.ubuntu.com ... but then , or the template with the package name does not exist, or when it exists doesn't have a translatable menu entry. Some of my friends don't like this mixture between different languages in the menus:))
[02:41] <lifeless> cprov: just make a random dir in /tmp using the tmepdir module :)
[02:41] <kiko> salgado, I just assigned it to stub
[02:41] <cprov> stub: right
[02:41] <salgado> stub, do you know what's the problem?
[02:41] <lifeless> carlos: can you help WaterSevenUb its outside my purview now
[02:42] <carlos> WaterSevenUb, you need to translate it from the hardwaredb-client
[02:42] <carlos> let me check if I find it....
[02:42] <carlos> WaterSevenUb, breezy?
[02:42] <WaterSevenUb> carlos: yes
[02:44] <cprov> lifeless: I'm not sure about the reflects ... but looks fine, I'll investigate.
[02:45] <stub> salgado: Current thought is that that account I merged by hand before the real merge code was written.
[02:45] <stub> salgado: But we are looking into it
[02:45] <carlos> WaterSevenUb, seems like it's not ready to be translated
[02:45] <carlos> WaterSevenUb, would you open a bug report against it so the maintainer prepares it to be translated?
[02:46] <WaterSevenUb> carlos: @bugzilla?
[02:47] <salgado> stub, maybe you'd like to fix https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1356 while you're there. ;)
[02:49] <carlos> WaterSevenUb, yeah, I think bugzilla is still used for main
[03:05] <lifeless> jblack: ping
[03:07] <WaterSevenUb> carlos: hal-device-manager seems not to be available either.. should one wait longer that people put in launchpad all these packages instead of boring them : please, put the templates there ? :)
[03:07] <carlos> WaterSevenUb, there are two problems:
[03:08] <carlos> - There is no .pot file to be imported (the case fot the hw application)
[03:08] <carlos> - The .pot file is not being imported (a Rosetta problem unrelated to the maintainer)
[03:09] <carlos> WaterSevenUb, the second one is a matter to check our logs and find why it was not imported automatically
[03:09] <carlos> WaterSevenUb, the first one needs that the maintainer updates the application to support translations
[03:10] <jblack> lifeless: Morning. What's up?
[03:11] <kiko> yo SteveA?
[03:12] <lifeless> hows that draft looking ?
[03:12] <lifeless> good morning too :)
[03:12] <jblack> Did you get that draft yesterday morning?
[03:12] <lifeless> I'll look ..
[03:12] <SteveA> kiko: yeah
[03:12] <lifeless> uhm
[03:13] <lifeless> do you mean the tomlord specific one, or the wider ocmmunity one ?
[03:13] <jblack> The wider community one.
[03:13] <carlos> WaterSevenUb, hal seems to be a problem with Rosetta, please file a bug at https://launchpad.net/products/rosetta/+filebug
[03:13] <carlos> WaterSevenUb, and we will take a look at it to get the import done
[03:13] <jblack> You would have received it ~ 8:45am yesterday morning your time.
[03:13] <lifeless> looking now, my mail is glacial here
[03:14] <jblack> I don't see it in my sent messages.
[03:15] <jblack> I sent one just now.
[03:15] <WaterSevenUb> carlos: done!
[03:16] <gothcat> carlos: should this " be translated into " when I save?
[03:17] <carlos> WaterSevenUb, cool, thanks
[03:17] <carlos> gothcat, no
[03:18] <carlos> gothcat, if you see " you should put it again that way
[03:18] <carlos> or the translation would break the application that uses it
[03:18] <Nafallo> carlos: she did, and it got translated to " when she saved :-P.
[03:18] <carlos> wtf...
[03:18] <carlos> Nafallo, gothcat please, file a bug then
[03:19] <Nafallo> carlos: k :-)
[03:19] <carlos> Nafallo, gothcat thank you
[03:23] <gothcat> carlos: #1685
[03:24] <jblack> lifeless: ?
[03:25] <lifeless> cant see it yet
[03:25] <carlos> gothcat, ok
[03:26] <lifeless> is geoip in production working yet ?
[03:27] <jblack> Aug 5 09:15:14 localhost postfix/smtp[10133] : 2E2783B402D: to=<rbcollins@cygwin
[03:27] <jblack> .com>, relay=sourceware.org[12.107.209.250] , delay=2, status=sent (250 Queued! 1
[03:27] <jblack> 123247715 qp 30339 <[email protected]>)
[03:49] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: Lots of fixes in person/+reportedbugs and person/+assignedbugs. r=jamesh (patch-2234: [email protected])
[04:02] <lifeless> jblack: its coming together nicely, I've emailed you my current thoguhts.
[04:02] <jblack> Ok. Thank you.
[04:03] <jblack> Thanks for the eyeball.
[04:03] <ddaa> What's up?
[04:12] <jordi> kiko: nope :)
[04:12] <jordi> is claire in Brazil?
[04:12] <jordi> or on IRC right now?
[04:15] <carlos> jordi, on IRC
[04:31] <Nafallo> will there be support for grabbing peoples gpg-keys directly from FOAF?
[04:32] <jordi> lifeless: this email you sent to rosetta-users without context at all... what were you trying to say?
[04:32] <jordi> err
[04:32] <jordi> sorry, missread subject :)
[04:34] <jordi> carlos: so if a guy wants to translate zope3 to Aragonese, the "normal" way is to join the Aragonese Ubuntu team and start translating? Or if the Aragonese team doesn't exist, consider creating it?
[04:34] <SteveA> Kinnison: ping
[04:35] <Kinnison> SteveA: hi steve
[04:35] <SteveA> hi
[04:35] <SteveA> back in one piece?
[04:35] <Kinnison> yep
[04:35] <Kinnison> still quite tired from the journey
[04:35] <lifeless> hows the sunburn?
[04:35] <SteveA> The "PocketPages" spec is ready for you to look at
[04:36] <Kinnison> lifeless: almost all healed, thanks for the after-sun
[04:36] <carlos> jordi, not really, that's only needed if there is not such team and you want to translate a product or distribution with translation permissions set to CLOSE
[04:36] <Kinnison> SteveA: has it been reflected onto the main wiki?
[04:36] <SteveA> probably not
[04:37] <SteveA> maybe i can mail you the raw text
[04:37] <Kinnison> and attach any mpt images
[04:37] <carlos> jordi, also, the new policy is that we only create translation teams when there is more tha one person that wants to be a member, if we only have one person, he/she becames 'the team'
[04:37] <jordi> carlos: good
[04:38] <kiko> niemeyer!
[04:38] <niemeyer> Hiho! :)
[04:38] <salgado> Nafallo, in one of my branches I have a change that will list the gpg keys of a given person, so you will be able to get it from a keyserver. I guess this is what we'll have for now
[04:39] <Nafallo> salgado: yea. something like that would be a good start indeed :-)
[04:41] <jordi> carlos: so, a product set to "OPEN", non-team members can translate, but will their translations end up in the po file without review?
[04:41] <carlos> jordi, right
[04:42] <cprov> Nafallo: but why do you need to grab pub keys directly from FOAF ? the keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371 is public
[04:42] <jordi> ok, so this guy should just start translating, no need to join (but recommended?)
[04:42] <cprov> Nafallo: I mean, FOAF isn't a GPG manager application, it only uses GPG key features.
[04:43] <Nafallo> cprov: then I have to search. I want a single location with all info there is :-)
[04:43] <carlos> jordi, if he's only interested on Zope, no need to join any team
[04:43] <carlos> unless zope team decides to move into a CLOSE mode
[04:44] <cprov> Nafallo: IMHO, linking you to a keyserver is the right action we can take
[04:44] <Nafallo> cprov: indeed that would be a good solution :-)
[04:47] <Nafallo> cprov: in the past I wasn't good at handle my gpg-keys, so there are lots of me on subkeys :-P
[04:47] <Nafallo> cprov: a single click to get the correct key would be wonderful :-)
[04:48] <cprov> Nafallo: now that you mentioned, we just support subkeys signatures
[04:48] <jordi> carlos: ok, let's see how I did for my first e-mail :)
[04:48] <Nafallo> :-)
[04:48] <carlos> jordi, I will fire you if I don't like it :-P
[04:49] <Nafallo> cprov: I know ;-)
[04:49] <jordi> SHORTEST CONTRACT EVER
[04:49] <Nafallo> cprov: I follow most channels :-)
[04:49] <Kinnison> SteveA: I've dumped some review comments on the PocketPages stuff
[04:50] <cprov> Nafallo: indeed, you just need to "find and import" them in LP and inspect at nafallo/+gpgkeys , every other operations with keys, like grab pubkey, should be done through our keyserver
[04:51] <cprov> Nafallo: I can see
[04:51] <SteveA> Kinnison: the ball in your court.
[04:51] <jordi> carlos: funny. Can you moderate and while you're at it, change my subscription address?
[04:52] <Kinnison> SteveA: there's a couple of things I'd like done by the guys in .br before I take it on and get it ready for mark to approve
[04:52] <Kinnison> SteveA: particularly I want the facts confirming
[04:52] <jordi> carlos: I haven't got any mail from you re:mailman
[04:52] <Kinnison> SteveA: I'm currently working on a database patch of doom
[04:52] <carlos> jordi, no, but I can send you the password so you do it yourself :-)
[04:52] <Kinnison> SteveA: ask mark if you want to know just how doomful it is
[04:54] <carlos> jordi, mail sent
[04:56] <SteveA> Kinnison: who does PocketPages go to next? I have the yellow square in my hand.
[04:56] <jordi> this is... totally not serious :)
[04:57] <SteveA> Kinnison: okay, going to mark
[04:58] <carlos> jordi, who did that we are serious?
[04:58] <carlos> s/did/said/
[05:01] <jordi> me too
[05:01] <jordi> and actually I should go and get it
[05:01] <jordi> carlos: so, am I fired
[05:02] <carlos> jordi, not yet ;-)
[05:03] <jordi> good :)
[05:05] <salgado> mpt, I did a lot of changes related to editting people details (http://192.168.99.7:8086/people/name16), and it'd be great if you have some time to look at it and tell me if it looks reasonable and if there's something I can do to make it look better
[05:13] <Kinnison> lunch? Good plan
[05:14] <Kinnison> lifeless: How often do we cacherev on rocketfuel?
[05:23] <ddaa> Kinnison: baz does automatic cacherevs every 50 revs
[05:23] <ddaa> starting at patch-1 (I know that's stupid) then patch-51 and so on
[05:23] <Kinnison> Odd then
[05:23] <ddaa> dunno if pqm does anything fancier
[05:23] <Kinnison> because I just ended up fetching a cacherev and 64 patches for mainline launchpad
[05:24] <ddaa> the builder will not always take the first cacherev
[05:24] <ddaa> using cacherev for big tree has an important cost in bandwith, disk usage and latter performance. A cacherev-created revlib entry is not hardlinked.
[05:26] <Kinnison> Aye, but I got cached from archive anyway, and then 64 patches
[05:26] <WaterSevenUb> lifeless: let us suppose that I want to give to a couple of friends a breezy portuguese version for a translation consistency check before the final release... by that time the distro translations will be based on all the templates in Rosetta I guess. To correct some of the errors that they might find at that time I would go to Rosetta and then the new language packs for the final release would be corrected?
[05:26] <ddaa> Kinnison: mh... sounds weird indeed. Maybe there was an uncachereved base-0 in te middle
[05:26] <WaterSevenUb> I'm trying to understand how this thing works :)
[05:26] <Kinnison> ddaa: on the launchpad mainline?
[05:26] <ddaa> Kinnison: mh... unlikely :)
[05:26] <Kinnison> ddaa: *shrug* it's not like I care that much, at home the b/w is fine
[05:28] <ddaa> I still have some painfully itchy insect bites from the rafting afternoon in brazil... brazilian blood-sucking insects must be eating too much garana or something...
[05:29] <Kinnison> Speaking of guarana, I found the best drink known to man
[05:29] <Kinnison> It was Aa+Guarana
[05:30] <Kinnison> truly powerful brain-juice
[05:31] <WaterSevenUb> carlos: same question to you Carlos :)
[05:32] <carlos> WaterSevenUb, yes, that's the idea
[05:33] <carlos> WaterSevenUb, if they are not ready on time, a month after release or so the language packs will be updated again
[05:36] <WaterSevenUb> carlos: which did not happen in hoary, right?
[06:00] <Kinnison> Is there some sane way to ask postgresql for a list of views which depend on some relation?
[06:04] <carlos> WaterSevenUb, well, we are working on language pack updates for Hoary too
[06:04] <carlos> WaterSevenUb, I hope we will have them next week
[06:07] <WaterSevenUb> carlos: As far as I understood from someone talking here before, those are not based on Rosetta. When we use the translations from Rosetta in the future, I guess a test phase would be desirable to see if those translations do not have critical issues?
[06:07] <stub> Kinnison: Yes. Need to wade through the system tables to work out the query though.
[06:07] <Kinnison> stub: Don't bother
[06:07] <carlos> WaterSevenUb, the initial translations for Hoary are not based on Rosetta, next update will do
[06:07] <Kinnison> stub: There are 12 views in the launchpad db
[06:07] <Kinnison> stub: 11 of them belong to Soyuz and need changing
[06:07] <Kinnison> stub: the other is a rosetta view
[06:08] <lifeless> Kinnison: please stop making stubs siren go off
[06:08] <Kinnison> lifeless: siren?
[06:08] <lifeless> *once* is enough
[06:08] <lifeless> he uses xchat
[06:09] <Kinnison> Aah and this makes noises when people talk to you?
[06:09] <lifeless> no, it makes noise when people talk to him
[06:09] <carlos> stub, it's just a test :-P
[06:17] <Kinnison> Feck, Just the comment on this db patch is > 1.5kB
[06:18] <Kinnison> stub: Each patch is always applied in a transaction, yes?
[06:18] <lifeless> kinnison - yes, but you can nest if needed
[06:18] <lifeless> erm, to the limits of our postgres that is
[06:18] <lifeless> actually I think I'm on crack
[06:19] <lifeless> each line in the pach is atransaction unless you add begin/end
[06:19] <Kinnison> s'okay, it's just that given my patch *comment* is 1.5kB, I was checking if I should surround it in BEGIN/COMMIT myself
[06:20] <stub> Kinnison: No begin/commit. That is done automatically by upgrade.py
[06:20] <lifeless> so, I've lost track, and am *still* on crack
[06:20] <Kinnison> stub: righty
[06:20] <lifeless> Kinnison: please stop that :)
[06:20] <Kinnison> lifeless: tell stub to turn his volume down
[06:20] <lifeless> Kinnison: please, jus stop it. iots easier, *trust* me.
[06:21] <stub> stub stub stub stub stub
[06:21] <Kinnison> shouldn't be too hard
[06:43] <Kinnison> stub: Is it okay for me to do very postgresql magic in a db patch?
[06:43] <Kinnison> stub: In particular I want to manipulate the pg_constraint table
[06:43] <stub> Nope - you are not to mess with the internal catalog tables.
[06:43] <stub> What are you trying to do?
[06:46] <Kinnison> rename a bunch of constraints without having to drop and recreate them
[06:46] <SteveA> Kinnison: looks like mark has made some changes and then approved PocketPages
[06:47] <Kinnison> SteveA: Okay, that saves me waffling on it :-)
[06:50] <stub> Kinnison: Drop and recreate them
[06:50] <Kinnison> If you insist
[06:52] <Kinnison> stub: What's the deal on the FTI stuff, if I drop it in my patch, will it get recreated?
[06:53] <Kinnison> Or should I leave it alone entirely?
[06:53] <stub> Kinnison: fti.py rebuilds any fti columns that are define at the top of the script.
[06:53] <stub> Kinnison: So you can drop the fti column (although I can't think why you would want to?)
[06:54] <stub> It will cause some bloatage in the DB though
[06:54] <Kinnison> "binarypackage_fti" gist (fti)
[06:54] <Kinnison> is an index
[06:54] <Kinnison> when I rename binarypackage
[06:54] <Kinnison> that index should become binarypackagerelease_fti
[06:54] <stub> Ok. Drop the fti column, and update fti.py to use the new table name.
[06:55] <Kinnison> stub: gotcha
[06:55] <stub> How about we just 'CREATE VIEW BinaryPackageRelease AS SELECT * FROM BinaryPackage' :-)
[06:55] <Kinnison> stub: can you please allocate for me a patch-25-XX-0 so I can get this all in the right places?
[07:04] <Kinnison> stub: Hmm, problem.. I can't drop/create all the constraints without ending up dropping/recreating constraints on about six other tables too because they refer to them
[07:05] <stub> Yup. Typing. Punt it to me if you want.
[07:05] <Kinnison> S'okay, I'll do it if this is the "right way" :-)
[07:11] <Kinnison> Somehow, osfile and osfileinpackage have managed to stay alive
[07:11] <Kinnison> anyone mind if I nuke 'em?
[07:20] <Kinnison> So, no complaints? Huzzah
[07:27] <cprov> mpt: questions for AutoBuildUI sorted, it's gonna rock ;), you're doing a great job !
[07:28] <cprov> Kinnison: Have we already sorted how to nominate the distribution/distrorelease Security Teams ?
[07:28] <cprov> Kinnison: ##soyuz miss you
[07:29] <Kinnison> cprov: I'm unsure about those selecting them
[07:29] <Kinnison> cprov: we'll need UI for them though somewhere
[07:30] <cprov> Kinnison: uhm, let's see the problem by parts: sec-team by distribution or distrorelease ?
[07:31] <Kinnison> the only per-release team is the review team
[07:32] <cprov> Kinnison: so, we are gonna have Ubuntu-Security Team, not Hoary-Security team, ok ?
[07:33] <Kinnison> I believe so
[07:33] <Kinnison> We should get elmo to look at that spec though
[07:35] <cprov> Kinnison: anyways there is no indicator in the distrorelease model point it as SECURITY distrorelease, only changing view for DAR & Pockets
[07:36] <Kinnison> I beg your pardon?
[07:36] <cprov> Kinnison: indeed, is he available this time ?
[07:37] <Kinnison> cprov: put together an email to me and elmo and mark
[07:38] <cprov> Kinnison: uhm, thinking loud .. I mean how can we figure out we are inside a SECURITY distrorelease
[07:38] <cprov> Kinnison: sure, I'll
[07:38] <Kinnison> there isn't such a thing
[07:39] <Kinnison> there's a distrorelease which has been released and has a security pocket though
[07:40] <cprov> Kinnison: right and only thing you can do is following the same distroarchrelease and find out (or not) other pockets, isn't it ?
[07:44] <Kinnison> I'm really not sure what you mean
[07:51] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: [r=spiv,lifeless] po translation navigation fixes, and new-style cve support (patch-2235: [email protected])
[07:54] <cprov> Kinnison: no problem, I was just wondering the permitted movements between the pockets available for each distroarchrelease ...
[07:57] <Kinnison> things don't tend to be moved between pockets
[07:57] <Kinnison> And for now we assume they don't move
[07:58] <cprov> Kinnison: right !
[08:07] <salgado> SteveA, should I do some polishing in the ShipItNG or should I leave it as it is now until we get more input?
[08:08] <SteveA> salgado: kiko will come and work with you shortly. please do any polishing you can now.
[08:08] <salgado> SteveA, sure
[08:11] <salgado> Kinnison, why is flavour irrelevant there?
[08:12] <SteveA> hey everyone, the launchpad wiki will be moving back to london for use monday morning
[08:12] <SteveA> it will turned off at async once we've completed today's work
[08:13] <Kinnison> salgado: we don't make CDs of flavours
[08:13] <salgado> Kinnison, and we're not going to make them, either?
[08:14] <Kinnison> salgado: If/When we do, it'll be a distribution
[08:14] <Kinnison> salgado: flavours are proper distroreleases as far as you're concerned
[08:14] <Kinnison> so Kubuntu is a distribution, not a flavour
[08:14] <Kinnison> Do you see what I mean?
[08:15] <salgado> yes, I see now
[08:15] <Kinnison> Cool
[08:15] <Kinnison> Sorry for not being more exact on the wiki
[08:15] <salgado> where are flavours used, then?
[08:16] <Kinnison> It's part of the derivation machinery
[08:29] <Kinnison> ciao guys
[08:31] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] accumulated fixes: icons for bugs, and consistent link coloring in portlets (patch-2236: [email protected])
[08:53] <SteveA> kiko: salgado is waiting for you!
[08:58] <salgado> indeed, I am
[08:58] <lifeless> ddaa - please update launchpad to not have insane deprecation warnings from using pybaz
[09:08] <lifeless> stevea
[09:10] <SteveA> lifeless: yes?
[09:10] <lifeless> any spsecs for me
[09:10] <SteveA> not on my desk
[09:10] <SteveA> we're running a bit low
[09:11] <SteveA> i'll check the whiteboard
[09:11] <lifeless> sweet
[09:11] <SteveA> we are truely scraping the barrel here
[09:12] <lifeless> dont talk about me that way
[09:12] <lifeless> I'll have you up for a Doinkey
[09:13] <lifeless> SteveA: there is no such spec, it has morphed into supermirrorfilesystemHierarchy
[09:14] <SteveA> hurrah
[09:14] <lifeless> SteveA: so, some specs
[09:14] <lifeless> ?
[09:14] <SteveA> spiv: we need to implement LibrarianGarbageCollection soonish
[09:15] <lifeless> why ?
[09:15] <spiv> How much garbage do we have so far? :)
[09:16] <SteveA> we're approaching the line we drew in the sand on the spec
[09:16] <SteveA> and once debbugs is imported...
[09:32] <SteveA> ddaa: ping
[09:34] <carlos> spiv, Rosetta is adding many garbage to Librarian
[09:34] <carlos> spiv, with every file download request
[10:11] <ddaa> SteveA: pong
[10:15] <ddaa> lifeless: I'm working on it, but importd is terribly crufty, and I'm taking the opportunity to make it cleaner instead of adding yet another layer of cruft.
[10:16] <ddaa> I think when I'm done with that iteration we'll actually start to see the end the tunnel for that one.
[10:16] <ddaa> The downside is that it's turning into a bit of rewrite of the archive-related bits...
[10:17] <ddaa> (not really from-scratch, since it mostly a lot of refactoring, but the end will not be all that different from a rewrite)
[10:17] <lifeless> ddaa: remember that the buttress pyarch interfaces can *all* be deleted as we move to the BranchDataStorage model
[10:18] <ddaa> Yes, I'm not on taxi yet.
[10:18] <SteveA> ddaa: in future, please don't deprecate until you've updated
[10:18] <ddaa> Just importd think, I'm creating an ArchiveManager class to collect all the archive operation code that's scattered in Job, JobStrategy and Taxi
[10:18] <lifeless> so don't refactor too much :)... I would seriously consider once mark and sweep to a new name that doesn't conflict with Branch or Revision, then add new db objects that match those and convert code from one to the other, that s the replace algorithm refactoring :)
[10:19] <SteveA> i've done a lot of work on launchpad to minimize the warnings that are produced, and it's kinda irritating to see a load of new warnings all of a sudden.
[10:19] <ddaa> SteveA: In the future I can make a "two-stage deprecation mechanism, something like "pybaz.deprecated_registered_names()", because I find the deprecation most useful to do the updating.
[10:20] <SteveA> ddaa: fine, just don't make everyone else pay the price.
[10:20] <ddaa> SteveA: if that's a problem I can temporarily remove the warnings from rocketfuel.
[10:20] <SteveA> that would help
[10:21] <ddaa> lifeless: right, I'll avoid touching the database-related cruft.
[10:21] <ddaa> It will all suffer it's own rewrite in a later iteration.
[10:22] <kiko> too sick to pray
[10:22] <ddaa> SteveA: I'll do that at once
[10:22] <lifeless> thank you
[10:23] <SteveA> thanks ddaa
[11:14] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/pybaz--devel--0: [trivial] remove archivelocation-related deprecations (patch-38: [email protected])
[11:14] <ddaa> SteveA: enjoy
[11:14] <ddaa> tell me if I missed any new deprecation
[11:26] <carlos> ddaa, just run 'make check' from the launchpad's top level directory and see the output :-)
[11:28] <ddaa> too lazy to make another checkout, I have some pretty hairy work in progress now
[11:29] <SteveA> ddaa: you can fix the bug too
[11:29] <SteveA> as in, mark it fixed
[11:33] <mikk0> Please help a new translator: What should I enter in the translation, when the English source has a special character. It is a blue field with a ball in it (is it a bullet for list item ?)
[11:34] <mikk0> I'm using Rosetta to translate Synaptic to Finnish
[11:35] <ddaa> carlos: you win, I fucked up my work in progress :(
[11:35] <spiv> mikk0: I just pinged carlos for you, he should be around in a minute.
[11:35] <carlos> mikk0, that means a white space
[11:36] <carlos> mikk0, you have it noted on the upper left part of the translation form
[11:37] <mikk0> Found it! Thank you carlos :)
[11:49] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] Reduced the amount of memory needed to run this script (patch-2237: [email protected])
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2005-08-10-#kubuntu
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[12:11] <salil> anyone can help me on crontab..??
[12:12] <ray_> whats crontab?
[12:13] <salil> thats the command line scheduler..
[12:13] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Something to do with programs and timing, I think
[12:13] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Right, that
[12:13] <salil> Rogue_Jedi_X: yes..
[12:13] <salil> Rogue_Jedi_X: can you help me with that..??
[12:13] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I'm a n00b, I know, I know
[12:14] <foobrain> what media player should I be using? Noatun?
[12:14] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Wish I could, but I have no experience with crontab, sorry
[12:14] <ray_> amarok is nice
[12:14] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I like Kaffeine
[12:14] <salil> what's a n00b.. i see that very often.. !!
[12:14] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Selectable streams pwnz0r
[12:15] <Rogue_Jedi_X> n00b is l33tspeak for newbie, a very unexperienced person
[12:15] <ray_> hey im such a noob that i didn't even know what noob meant....lol
[12:15] <ray_> its like NEWB
[12:16] <salil> what is l33tspeak..??
[12:16] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hey, I once thought STFU meant "Stuff you"
[12:17] <Rogue_Jedi_X> salil: gimme a sec, I'll give you a link
[12:17] <Rogue_Jedi_X> http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A787917
[12:17] <Rogue_Jedi_X> There. I doubt I could explain it any better
[12:18] <salil> Rogue_Jedi_X: thank
[12:18] <Rogue_Jedi_X> No prob
[12:20] <ray_> anybody know when americas army 2.4 is coming out for linux?
[12:21] <Rogue_Jedi_X> You should probably ask the developers for that game
[12:22] <foobrain> hm, I dont know if anyone already answered my question about movie player... What movie/media player should I use?
[12:22] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I'm sure they have an email address or a forum or something
[12:22] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Video or Audio?
[12:22] <ray_> no i couldnt find one
[12:22] <foobrain> video
[12:22] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Kaffeine
[12:23] <ray_> foobrain: XINE or MPLAYER
[12:23] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Kaffeine uses the xine engine
[12:23] <ray_> foobrain: but you must get w32codecs
[12:24] <Rogue_Jedi_X> That goes for mplayer too
[12:24] <ray_> foobrain: or else your veiwing will be limited
[12:24] <Rogue_Jedi_X> You have to get them either way
[12:24] <ray_> Rogue_Jedi_X: yes
[12:24] <Rogue_Jedi_X> The mplayer homepage has a whole bundle of them, I think
[12:25] <ray_> Rogue_Jedi_X: u can get all of them from the backport repos
[12:26] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Whoops, I don't have backport repos listed. This must be remedied immediately! brb
[12:27] <ray_> ubotu tell foobrain about repositories
[12:27] <ray_> !find w32codecs
[12:27] <Rogue_Jedi_X> There. All done
[12:28] <ray_> Rogue_Jedi_X: i would comment out the backport repos unless you need them
[12:28] <zkruw> anyone know how to burn an avi movie so im able to watch it on my standalone dvd-player? It dosent work like in wondows
[12:28] <zkruw> windows*
[12:28] <Rogue_Jedi_X> How come?
[12:29] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'w32codecs' returned no results.
[12:30] <ray_> Rogue_Jedi_X: becuase if you update you might get really unstable packages....my whole system damn near blew up because i had backports and multiverse and did a apt-get dist-upgrade..after that nothing worked
[12:30] <ray_> zkruw: does your dvd player support avi?
[12:30] <foobrain> ray_: thanks
[12:30] <Mez> ray_, when was that? I've never known backports to break in a MAJOr way
[12:30] <Rogue_Jedi_X> That sounds scary. Commenting out...
[12:31] <ray_> Mez: i didnt think they would either....but they did...it could be just me
[12:31] <zkruw> ray_: it works fine when i burn the avis on my brothers windows computer
[12:31] <Mez> ray_, when and what do you mean by "erverything broke2
[12:31] <zkruw> i think it something with ntfs or fat
[12:31] <ray_> zkruw: so just burn the avi to disk
[12:31] <zkruw> dosent work :s
[12:32] <zkruw> the screen just sais error :)
[12:32] <ray_> zkruw: no ......it does not have ANYTHING to do with ntfs
[12:32] <Rogue_Jedi_X> What do you burn it with? K3B?
[12:32] <zkruw> yes
[12:32] <zkruw> k3b
[12:32] <ray_> what app did you use in windows
[12:32] <zkruw> nero
[12:32] <ray_> did you select any options or just burn it?
[12:32] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Maybe he needs the Joliet extensions?
[12:32] <ray_> Joliet?
[12:33] <zkruw> just pushed burn :)
[12:33] <zkruw> anyone know the joliet settings?
[12:33] <ray_> what is joliet?
[12:33] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Yeah, otherwise (in my experience anyway) the Windows computer showed the filenames shortened and with CAPS
[12:33] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Sometimes with no extensions
[12:33] <zkruw> just "generete joliet extensions"
[12:34] <zkruw> what do you think about that?
[12:34] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Should work. Might want to tick off "Allow 103 character Joliet filenames" in Advanced too
[12:36] <zkruw> okie thanks, will try now
[12:37] <redguy_> hi there, anyone could tell me where would I find superkaramba 0.37 ?
[12:37] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Gah! mldonkey dumped all of its config files in my home folder
[12:37] <ray_> vcd imager doesnt work for me?
[12:37] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Isn't it in kynaptic/synaptic
[12:38] <ray_> anyone else have problems with vcdimager
[12:38] <redguy_> there is 0.35 in the official repos
[12:38] <crimsun> redguy_: there's only 0.37-rc1 out officially according to the Web page
[12:39] <tbrenner> i'm can't set my screen rez to 1064x768....there is no option to do it, is there any way to get a different driver or something so that i can do this?
[12:39] <apokryphos> You can fix it, yes.
[12:39] <apokryphos> !resolution
[12:39] <ubotu> I guess resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:39] <ray_> vcdxbuild
[12:39] <ray_> -----------------------
[12:39] <ray_> <log level="error">charset conversion failed</log>
[12:39] <redguy_> crimsun: hrm, actually I don't need 0.37. I want to have liquid weather, but the oldest version which I could find is 4.1.1 which needs 0.36 to work
[12:40] <zkruw> still gets this annoying "unknown disc"
[12:41] <Rogue_Jedi_X> How about burning at the lowest possible speed?
[12:41] <zkruw> wich writing mode?
[12:42] <zkruw> dau tao or raw?
[12:42] <zkruw> dao
[12:43] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Auto works fine for me
[12:43] <zkruw> whats udf structures?
[12:43] <zkruw> something i may need?
[12:43] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I think that's for Mac systems
[12:46] <redguy_> hmm even apt-get.org shows only 0.35
[12:46] <ray_> what happened to k3bsetup kubuntu doesnt have it?
[12:47] <foobrain> how do I uninstall apps I've installed?
[12:47] <nmorse> sudo apt-get remove app, foobrain
[12:49] <foobrain> it didn't find the app
[12:49] <foobrain> I installed mono from go-mono.com
[12:49] <foobrain> I want it to go away
[12:49] <foobrain> perhaps I just have to delete the mono folder?
[12:51] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Did you compile it yourself?
[12:51] <foobrain> what are the files named where the path enviroment variables are located?
[12:51] <nmorse> .bashrc
[12:51] <nmorse> In your home directory.
[12:51] <foobrain> thanks
[12:56] <foobrain> does kubuntu support connecting to a win32 samba network share?
[12:56] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Sure
[12:57] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Looking at my sister's puter right now, actually
[12:57] <foobrain> Rogue_Jedi_X: how do I connect?
[12:58] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Click on the second icon on the kicker and select Remote Places
[12:58] <ray_> nice i just figured out how to get vcdimager to work in k3b!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:58] <foobrain> nice
[12:59] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Cool
[12:59] <ray_> if you guys ever want to use vcdimager let me know i will tell you waht you have to do
[01:01] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Noted
[01:04] <ray_> hey foo
[01:04] <ray_> u still here
[01:06] <stizoner> is there a way to painlessly auto mount ntfs drives like other distros? many distros just click on drive and thats it, u can read it
[01:06] <ray_> are you guys using konversation? or something else
[01:06] <foobrain> bah, I need a player that doesn't hog all system resources when I try to play a video file from the samba share
[01:06] <ray_> stizoner: i like your name
[01:07] <foobrain> X-Chat
[01:07] <stizoner> lol
[01:07] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Konversation here
[01:07] <foobrain> family guy... lol
[01:07] <ray_> stizoner: it wont let you in konqeror
[01:08] <stizoner> what i gotta do?
[01:08] <ray_> stizoner: are you using kde?
[01:08] <equex> i'd like a player taht could play files like streams.. like media player classic on windows does
[01:08] <stizoner> yep
[01:08] <equex> instead of the player copying it over
[01:08] <equex> (over samba shares)
[01:08] <stizoner> shhh one person bitchin at a time
[01:09] <stizoner> lol
[01:09] <equex> hihi
[01:09] <ray_> stizoner: you cant veiw your ntfs drive in konqeror?
[01:09] <bobbyd> equex, the mplayer plugin will play streams
[01:09] <stizoner> nope
[01:09] <bobbyd> equex, mplayer will also play streams
[01:09] <stizoner> i cant get my porn on my ntfs drives!!
[01:09] <stizoner> woops i mean music*
[01:09] <equex> bobbyd: but will it play movies from a samba share without copying it over first ?
[01:10] <ray_> there has to be a way......need the porn
[01:10] <equex> i know it can do mms and things if you want.
[01:10] <equex> but i dont think it does that.
[01:10] <bobbyd> equex, if you set the cache size to zero...
[01:10] <equex> neither does totem
[01:10] <equex> oh
[01:10] <ray_> totem sucks
[01:11] <TestMAD> hehe..thats funny
i cant get my porn on my ntfs drives!!
[01:11] <equex> or noatun
[01:11] <ray_> so guys i know you know how to mount an ntfs drive
[01:11] <TestMAD> least he admits to it
[01:11] <equex> lool i need the kazaa shares
[01:11] <TestMAD> is there a better alternative to airsnort?
[01:11] <ray_> TestMAD: do you know how to access an ntfs drive?
[01:11] <stizoner> i got 450gb down/up on empornium a porn bittorrent site
[01:12] <foobrain> how do I install mplayer?
[01:12] <TestMAD> i just followed directions in the delarios faq
[01:12] <ray_> stizoner: 450gb!!!!!!!!!!!!! holy crap
[01:12] <TestMAD> and mount on boot
[01:12] <ray_> u see that stizoner
[01:12] <redguy_> ha! found superkaramba .36 on kde-look.org!
[01:12] <equex> mkdir /mnt/windows
[01:12] <stizoner> well i got 3 drives and 8 partitions, i found some instructions at one point then i just got ticked off and lazy because it was beyond me
[01:13] <equex> mount /dev/thedrive /mnt/windows -t ntfs -r -o umask=0222
[01:13] <equex> should do it
[01:13] <TestMAD> but gotta have the windows dir made
[01:13] <equex> <equex mkdir /mnt/windows
[01:13] <stizoner> hmm, grrr, commands
[01:13] <pax> redguy_: why dont you sudo apt-get install superkaramba
[01:14] <stizoner> ok ill try that i guess
[01:14] <equex> stizoner: with a minimum of research you can make that mmount happen automatically
[01:14] <equex> :)
[01:15] <stizoner> yeah but i just wana download something and press a few buttons
[01:15] <equex> everything that takes under one hour to research with google is considered trivial
[01:15] <equex> :p
[01:17] <stizoner> ok let me rephrase the question, what do other distros use to auto mount drives without any commands?
[01:17] <ray_> stizoner: because they are set up to do so......u have to set it up yourself in this distro
[01:18] <redguy_> pax: since i want liquid weather, and it won't work under 0.35 which is in the repositories
[01:19] <pax> redguy_: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/superkaramba/superkaramba_0.36-1_i386.deb
[01:21] <stizoner> Permission denied
[01:22] <stizoner> ive gotten that on other things, its cause im not logged on as root right? asks for a password for root though, i never set one, and root dont work
[01:22] <redguy_> pax: it has many debian-specific dependencies
[01:23] <nikkia> stizoner: the problem is, auto-mounting drives is not something a lazy person should do, it causes problems for things like cd/dvd burning, you need to remember to disable it prior to burning a disc
[01:23] <redguy_> pax: and the one from kde-look.org wanted a DECnet library which made me a bit suspicious
[01:24] <redguy_> pax: I'll just have to live without liquid weather I think :/
[01:24] <pax> what's this liquid weather?
[01:24] <nikkia> pax, a superkaramba theme, that sucks terrible amounts of CPU time to show you the current weather conditions on the desktop *shrug*
[01:24] <nikkia> its pretty, but ultimately, pointless
[01:24] <redguy_> it's pretty, that's the point :P
[01:25] <pax> oh, kinda like Kxdocker, another resource hog!
[01:26] <stizoner> its not really lazy to want things easy to use, it can be hip for linux to be user freindly, be nice someday to never have 2 type a command
[01:26] <nikkia> pax, stuff like LW make me nervous about KDE4 and 'plasma' :)
[01:26] <stizoner> anyways.. bah, i cant switch the drives over to fat32 cause they got files larger then 4gb on them
[01:26] <nikkia> stizoner: perhaps, but auto-mounting drives has nasty side effects
[01:26] <pax> aww plasma, cant wait nikkia :-)
[01:26] <nikkia> pax, i'm sure plasma itself will be alright
[01:26] <foobrain> is there a mplayer debian package to download?
[01:27] <crimsun> they're in multiverse, foobrain.
[01:27] <nikkia> pad, its just 2 weeks later, when every idiot on the planet has knocked together yet another piece of very slowly executing python eye candy
[01:27] <pax> this is pax's current desktop http://ninux.net/files/foo (yeah I know, baghira isnt that good)
[01:27] <nikkia> pax, even
[01:28] <ray_> stizoner: if you dont want to use command line linux is NOT for you
[01:28] <nikkia> pax, hmmm, your launcher isn't quite taking up the whole screen, you should fix that :P
[01:29] <foobrain> crimsun: and what does that mean?
[01:29] <stizoner> they should force all linux programs to be chained to a woman for a week while she required to use a distro and do a bunch of tasks, would make a funny reality show, and i bet suddenly the linux program would take a different view of things he does from then on
[01:29] <nikkia> stizoner: as a woman, i find that remark a touch offensive, tbh
[01:29] <stizoner> oooo geeky woman
[01:29] <stizoner> hawt
[01:29] <stizoner> :P
[01:29] <redguy_> what's that thing you got at the bottom, pax?
[01:29] <ray_> pax where is your screenshot?
[01:30] <ray_> if you dont mind me lookign
[01:30] <crimsun> !tell foobrain about components
[01:30] <pax> redguy_: kxdocker another useless resources hog
[01:30] <pax> ray_: up there ^ scroll back
[01:30] <ray_> ok thanks
[01:30] <redguy_> ah!
[01:30] <pax> it'll suck as much of your ram as it can
[01:31] <ray_> pax.....your desktop is cool
[01:31] <nikkia> pax, especially if you have icons THAT big :P
[01:31] <pax> ray_: aw thanks, not that coll tho, baghira isnt that pretty
[01:32] <ray_> pax: baghira?
[01:32] <pax> nikkia: I think it just looks that big in the shot, dunno
[01:32] <pax> ray_: a kde theme
[01:32] <nikkia> pax, i dunno, they seem to be taking up about 1/3 of the screen height
[01:32] <pax> kde style rather
[01:32] <pax> nikkia: noo :p not that bad
[01:33] <pax> the only good thing about this settup is the icons :D
[01:33] <ray_> pax: it looks like mac style
[01:33] <pax> ray_: only with better OS ;-)
[01:33] <nikkia> ray, that's the whole point of baghira :P
[01:34] <stizoner> mine looks like a childs toy
[01:34] <nikkia> pax, and without the opengl accelerated scaling of icons :P
[01:35] <nikkia> pax, OS X's kernel may be a little worse than linux (for some things, other things we need to learn by)....
[01:35] <nikkia> but OS X's windowing system is pretty well designed
[01:35] <pax> yes very smooth nikkia agreed
[01:36] <Blissex> redguy_: urge to waste some resources... Are you a GNOME developer perchance? :-)
[01:36] <nikkia> Blissex: i'd have said 'E' user, personally :)
[01:36] <redguy_> why the heck all the pretty thing are not in the repos?
[01:37] <pax> the repos should have what works not what's pretty is b0rked
[01:37] <pax> s/is/and/
[01:38] <redguy_> Blissex: no, not a dev at all. actually the only thing that kept me to gnome for a while was that people said that KDE is a resource hog :-)
[01:38] <ray_> does GNOME take up more resources than kde?
[01:39] <Blissex> redguy_: KDE is a resource hog, not as bad as GNOME though...
[01:39] <stizoner> i open konversation and couple firefox windows and im using 600mb
[01:39] <ray_> if you have a comp that can handle it.......2 gigs of ram here so not a big deal
[01:39] <pax> ray_: I believe Gnome is faster on older machines
[01:39] <ray_> stizoner: most of that is cache
[01:40] <Blissex> some comments on resource hoggity here: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/swhwAnno05.html#050512
[01:40] <ray_> pax: yeah on my girlfriends p2 i just run icewm
[01:41] <nikkia> ray, there's not much in it, really
[01:41] <Blissex> and some (incomplete) discussion on reducing KDE overheads quite a lot here: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxKDE.html#performance
[01:41] <nikkia> stizoner: the key there is 'firefox'
[01:41] <nikkia> firefox is a terrible resource hog, important to remember its a GTK app too :P
[01:41] <Blissex> stizoner: the key with web browsers is that nearly all, including Konqueror, effectively ''leak'' like crazy.
[01:42] <Blissex> stizoner: so the essential thing is to close them down and restart them regularly.
[01:42] <nikkia> Blissex: i've come to the conclusion that ff does something even more heinous
[01:42] <ray_> so what browser should i use.......konqeror?
[01:42] <nikkia> Blissex: i honestly believe from my tests that it simply renders the whole page to an offscreen bitmap and displays a viewport on that bitmap
[01:42] <Blissex> ray_: they all leak like crazy, with the possible exception of Opera. But I don't use Opera long enough to notice.
[01:43] <nikkia> Blissex: so, for example, going to /. on firefox is about the worst thing you can possibly do :)
[01:43] <stizoner> ok heres my ugly screenshot http://userpages.cyber-slut.net/see.png
[01:43] <nikkia> Blissex: opera 8.0 and 8.0.1 leaked terribly for me :(
[01:43] <Blissex> nikkia: yes, but that's basically what all browsers do. Problem is, even if you close down all the tabs and go back to 'about:blank' the memory does not get release.
[01:43] <nikkia> Blissex: enough to make them unusable, i haven't tried 8.0.2 yet
[01:44] <Blissex> nikkia: I have only used 6.x and a bit of 7.x for Opera...
[01:44] <nikkia> Blissex: i had situations where opera was tying up around 1GB after an hour of browsing
[01:44] <Blissex> nikkia: that's amazingly bloated...
[01:44] <nikkia> Blissex: not bloated, leaked :/
[01:45] <stizoner> trust me its not porn, its my desktop
[01:45] <s0ciopath> cyberslut?
[01:45] <stizoner> yeah thats my site, dont mind that
[01:45] <Blissex> ray_: if you use KDE, use Konqueror, using all-KDE apps saves a fair bit (as lonf as 'kdeinit' is used).
[01:45] <stizoner> lol
[01:45] <s0ciopath> heh
[01:46] <ray_> how do you take a screenshot?
[01:46] <Blissex> ksnapshot I guess...
[01:47] <Blissex> under 'Graphics' usually
[01:47] <ray_> ok how would i get an app to start as root when kde starts?
[01:48] <Blissex> ray_: thats in most cases not really a good idea... Which app? Why do you want to start it when KDE starts?
[01:49] <ray_> Blissex: ok heres the deal.....to run enemy-territory i have to do a echo "et.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss ....everytime
[01:49] <Blissex> ray_: but what you can do is to create a new '.desktop' file, with the property that says to run it as another user on, and to put it in the ''autostart'' folder under '~/.kde/' or whatever you want.
[01:49] <Blissex> ray_: that indeed has nothing to do with KDE.
[01:49] <ray_> Blissex: i know
[01:49] <Blissex> ray_: that should be a something set when the _system_ starts.
[01:49] <ray_> Blissex: yeah that would be nice.....
[01:50] <nikkia> Blissex: no, it doesn't work like that :/
[01:50] <nikkia> Blissex: the alsa OSS controls aren't persistant
[01:51] <Blissex> ray_: so the best technique would be to create a little script say '/etc/init.d/alsaossinit' and then
[01:51] <Blissex> ray_: either load the relevant modules at bootup, or associate the script with the loading of the relevant module.
[01:52] <Blissex> ray_: either load the relevant modules at bootup in that script, to be put in one of the runcommand dirs, or associate the script with the loading of the relevant module.
[01:52] <ray_> ok.....no clue
[01:53] <nikkia> ray, no, the answer is to write a wrapper script for et that does the echo before starting it
[01:53] <ray_> nikkia: ok.....and how would i do that?
[01:53] <nikkia> ray_: read some tutorials on basic shell scripting on the net
[01:54] <ray_> nikkia: will do.....
[01:56] <foobrain> How can I install libsmbclient?
[01:56] <foobrain> is there any way to tell apt-get to use packages.debian.org as a source?
[01:57] <ray_> yeah
[01:57] <ray_> just add it to /etc/apt/sources.list the packages may not work though
[01:57] <foobrain> what should I add?
[01:57] <Blissex> foobrain: you can add new URLs to the list of mirrors as ray_ says.
[01:58] <ray_> what are you trying to get foobrain
[01:58] <Blissex> foobrain: the Debian web site has a pretty nice, easy to follow APT HOWTO
[01:58] <foobrain> I'll try adding that url to the sources.list
[01:58] <Blissex> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/
[01:58] <foobrain> and I'll check the howto
[01:58] <foobrain> thanks
[01:58] <ray_> !find libsmbclient
[01:58] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'libsmbclient' (2 shown): libsmbclient ;; libsmbclient-dev.
[01:58] <ray_> there ya go foobrain
[01:59] <Blissex> foobrain: note however that Debian packages are not _always_ compatible with Ubuntu packages and viceversa, so it is a bit risky
[01:59] <foobrain> hm, too bad they'r not compatable
[02:00] <Blissex> foobrain: however, Debian 'sarge' packages are _mostly_ compatible with Unbuntu 'hoary'.
[02:00] <foobrain> ok
[02:00] <ray_> foobrain: what package do you want from the deb repos
[02:00] <foobrain> that samba package
[02:00] <ray_> i just told you how to get it like three times
[02:00] <foobrain> I already got it
[02:02] <ray_> foobrain: so whats the problem?.....where did you get it?
[02:03] <jack> bonsoir : -)
[02:03] <ray_> tally ho govna
[02:04] <jack> c pas gagn lol
[02:04] <ray_> huh
[02:05] <foobrain> ray_: I typed libsmbclient-dev instead of libsmbclient
[02:06] <ray_> foobrain: where?
[02:06] <foobrain> donno if I got the latter
[02:06] <foobrain> in the consol
[02:06] <foobrain> apt-get install libsmbclient failed, but apt-get install libsmbclient-dev worked
[02:07] <ray_> foobrain: what was the error messege for libsmbclient
[02:07] <foobrain> let me check
[02:08] <foobrain> that it was already installed.... I'm such a douchebag
[02:08] <foobrain> tho the ./configure app I was running said I didn't have it
[02:09] <foobrain> It say I need "GTK devel package"... what package would that be?
[02:09] <stizoner> repository doesnt include a single ed2k client
[02:10] <redguy> stizoner: what about amule?
[02:10] <redguy> !find amule
[02:10] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'amule' (2 shown): amule ;; amule-utils.
[02:11] <ray_> what is amule?
[02:11] <redguy> a ed2k client
[02:11] <redguy> s/a/an/
[02:11] <ray_> which is?
[02:11] <stizoner> no amule on there
[02:11] <stizoner> first thing i looked for
[02:12] <stizoner> they should consider putting azureus on there 2
[02:12] <ray_> is amule like limewire?
[02:12] <stizoner> just a thought
[02:12] <redguy> ed2k? a peer to peer protocol
[02:12] <stizoner> edonkey 2000
[02:12] <redguy> erm, network
[02:12] <redguy> stizoner: amule is in universe
[02:13] <redguy> !find azureus
[02:13] <ubotu> Ubuntu Search of 'azureus' (1 shown): (/usr/share/ubuntu-docs/C/common/menus/azureus.xml) in text/ubuntu-docs.
[02:13] <stizoner> hmm i dont see it in kynaptic
[02:13] <ray_> so is amule like limewire or not
[02:13] <stizoner> limewire is gnutella
[02:13] <stizoner> i beleive
[02:14] <ray_> so what is the difference?.....does amule have more files?
[02:14] <ray_> enable universe stizoner
[02:15] <stizoner> dont see an option 4 that
[02:15] <ray_> ubotu tell stizoner about repositories
[02:17] <stizoner> im on kde
[02:17] <ray_> yeah so
[02:17] <redguy> is there any help on using ubotu?
[02:18] <ray_> ok stizoner open konsole and do a .... sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:18] <stizoner> theres no synaptic, just kynaptic, no options 2 add/edit repositories
[02:18] <ray_> stizoner: gonna have to get used to using the terminal
[02:19] <redguy> stizoner: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[02:19] <equex> i want "sudo nano" on my gravestone
[02:20] <ray_> equex: YES!
[02:20] <equex> been typing that a lot
[02:20] <ray_> yeah me too
[02:20] <equex> sound like some form of martial art
[02:21] <equex> lmao
[02:21] <sudo_nano> just kidding
[02:21] <sudo_nano> lol
[02:21] <ray_> what
[02:21] <ray_> oops
[02:21] <stizoner> ok how 2 i save it? i edited out the #
[02:21] <ray_> ctrl x
[02:21] <gksudo> ok ill stop the nick flood
[02:22] <supernix> Hiya gang
[02:22] <ray_> hey there
[02:22] <stizoner> cool thanx
[02:22] <supernix> I have some auth.log messages and I was wondering if you could help me
[02:23] <ray_> help....this room isnt for help
[02:23] <ray_> lol
[02:23] <supernix> lol sometimes I would agree
[02:23] <supernix> :D
[02:23] <stizoner> its for cybersex?
[02:24] <stizoner> woops wrong room /quit
[02:24] <stizoner> :P
[02:25] <redguy> supernix: not sure if I will be of any help, but could you paste them to #flood?
[02:32] <equex> ray_: you know some other editor like nano, only with 'windows' like key bindings, like gedit or kedit ? (i want ctrl-c to be copy, ctrl-v to be paste, etc)
[02:33] <foobrain> I like SciTE
[02:33] <equex> im not ready for the whole Vim experience
[02:33] <ray_> equex: hmmm...... you cant do that in nano? yeah Vim is too much for me
[02:33] <equex> i was thinking not GUI this one
[02:33] <equex> like nano, editor for the commandline
[02:34] <equex> ok maybe i can conf nano
[02:34] <ray_> i can cut and paste in nano
[02:34] <equex> with shift insert and all that crap i guess
[02:35] <redguy> equex: noo, ^K is for 'cut', ^U for 'paste'
[02:36] <redguy> equex: it affect whole lines though
[02:38] <equex> nano is so simple it should even be possible to tweak the source
[02:38] <equex> cant find an explicit nano config file here
[02:39] <ray_> equex: i just use the mouse to cut and paste
[02:40] <equex> .. and yeah scite is good
[02:40] <equex> i used the windows port long before i went linux
[02:41] <equex> nice little thing to carry around on the usb neclace
[02:42] <equex> scite is in my 128 mb field survival kit
[02:42] <equex> :D
[02:42] <ray_> what is scite?
[02:42] <equex> a small editor
[02:43] <equex> its like 50 k big but has syntax highligthing for about 40 languages and other features
[02:43] <ray_> ahh
[02:44] <ray_> thats nice
[02:47] <redguy> equex: try man:/nanorc in konqueror for nano config file format
[02:51] <idefine> hi, i just got downloaded kubuntu, i was wondering if it was possible to install only what is needed on a partition on a hard drive in the laptop (as my bios doesn't support boot by usb)...load the usb drivers and install root and tmp and everything else on a usb partition....basically...only what is ncessary to boot linux up and start the usb drivers....and then install the rest of the operatiing system on usb
[02:54] <ray_> umm ......... why not put the whole thing on the hd?
[02:54] <s0ciopath> well you can put a 30mb /boot partition on the hd, and the / partition on the usb key if it gets seen in the setup
[02:54] <s0ciopath> there has got to be a owto for this somewhere on the web
[02:55] <idefine> s0ciopath: i want to boot to a usb hardrive
[02:55] <idefine> i mean install on a usb hard drive
[02:55] <idefine> ah
[02:55] <idefine> thank you
[02:56] <ray_> your bios doesnt see the usb?
[02:56] <idefine> nope
[02:56] <s0ciopath> sorryu.. substitute thumb for hd then : )
[02:56] <ray_> couldn't you just use a boot floppy?
[02:56] <idefine> why should i use a floppy for boot
[02:57] <ray_> isnt there a way to update your bios?
[02:58] <s0ciopath> http://www.simonf.com/usb/
[02:58] <s0ciopath> nothing kubuntu specific, but there is a deb example
[02:58] <idefine> ray_: my bios doesn't support usb boot, checked, i have all updates for the bios as well
[02:58] <idefine> s0ciopath: thanks again
[02:58] <Dhraakellian> hmm... my flash drive doesn't seem to mount until I use media:/
[02:59] <idefine> s0ciopath: it says i need to enable usb for boot in the bios
[02:59] <Dhraakellian> well, I have other things to do right now, so I'm not gonna fiddle with it atm
[02:59] <s0ciopath> yeah I see that now
[03:00] <ray_> idefine: should have thought about this before you purchased an external drive
[03:00] <s0ciopath> I'm sure the install program will see your USB drive, and you can put whatever you like on it
[03:00] <idefine> hmm
[03:00] <s0ciopath> should be sda1
[03:00] <ray_> yeah s0ciopath probly
[03:00] <idefine> will give it a shot
[03:01] <idefine> thanks s0ciopath and ray_
[03:01] <s0ciopath> I know the mandrake installed did.. thats the last time I played wiht mine
[03:02] <s0ciopath> now i gotta go find an old box to try this on
[03:02] <ray_> idefine: even if you just put grub on your internal
[03:02] <idefine> will try out...thanks
[03:16] <TestMAD> anyone know of a good substitute for airsnort?
[03:16] <n17r0> wep crack
[03:16] <TestMAD> k..is it gui?
[03:17] <n17r0> nop
[03:17] <TestMAD> k..
[03:17] <TestMAD> tried with kubuntu yet?
[03:17] <TestMAD> or should i just stick to STD for that?
[03:18] <idefine> does xchat have the ability to do favorite channels?
[03:22] <s0ciopath> fovorite how?
[03:22] <s0ciopath> like join certain channels when you connect?
[03:22] <s0ciopath> or a list of favorites?
[03:40] <goldfish> when u run ethereal for example, and it asks you for your root password, what is that applet called that it runs prompting for the p/w ?
[03:44] <luminerd> Why won't Ubuntu work with my mouse? Cat won't work, od won't work, the mouse works in other machines, I tried putting Ubuntu on the exact duplicate machine (I have 20 of them)....NOTHING WORKS!! The problem is in Ubuntu...has anyone had this or know hwo to fix it?
[03:48] <pax> nikkia: you there?
[04:00] <dEdd> Does anybody know how I can 'multiplex' sound on a default Kubuntu hoary box? MythTv (from mdz's packages) won't get audio if realplayer is up after I listened to some radiostream. Annoying.
[04:00] <dEdd> Once I stop realplayer, and wait a short moment, mythtv gets the audio. How can I have'em share?
[04:07] <_droid_> what is you sound card
[04:08] <_droid_> if you have a real sound card like a SB live multiplexing is done automatically in the SC hardware
[04:09] <_droid_> if not you have to jump though hoop after hoop to do it with alsa in software
[04:10] <_droid_> my advice go spend the 30 bucks and get a real sound card
[04:10] <dEdd> _droid_: Good point. Something rather cheap I added to this Dell "server". Can't even remember what it was called.
[04:10] <dEdd> Not a SB Live.
[04:11] <_droid_> Real hardware SCs make life a lot easier\
[04:12] <dEdd> _droid_: Lesson learned, I suppose. I have opl3 and mpu401 modules running, if that helps.
[04:12] <_droid_> if you want i can give you some links to try it in software with alsa
[04:12] <dEdd> _droid_: Would any of the kde sound config options change anything? OSS vs Alsa vs ... ?
[04:12] <_droid_> alsa has a software mixer
[04:13] <_droid_> which can be setup to multiplex
[04:13] <dEdd> _droid_: I googled a little and found references to dmix, alsa/arts, ...
[04:13] <_droid_> but it is a pain in the ass
[04:13] <_droid_> yes dmix is it
[04:13] <_droid_> lots of config
[04:13] <dEdd> _droid_: Hm. With reboots and all that?
[04:13] <_droid_> no this is not windows
[04:13] <dEdd> :)
[04:14] <_droid_> unload and reload modules
[04:14] <dEdd> Any autoconfig options?
[04:14] <_droid_> like I said, my sb live for 30 dollars was money well spent
[04:14] <Jeezis> is there a simple how to out there that will show me exactly what i need to install eclipse and actually get it to work?
[04:14] <_droid_> works like a charm automatically
[04:15] <dEdd> _droid_: thanks anyway, that did help
[04:16] <_droid_> there was a well known linux developer bitching about geting two sounds to play at once
[04:16] <Jeezis> i've been beating my head off a wall all day trying to get eclipse to work
[04:17] <_droid_> how much work it took to get it setup in software
[04:17] <_droid_> software drivers emulating hardware is good for windows and bad for linux
[04:18] <_droid_> since companies don't like giving out specs
[04:46] <Tribune> hi all. how can i download Koffice using terminal?
[04:50] <Tribune> sudo apt-get install koffice can't help me
[04:57] <apokryphos> Tribune: 1.4.1 is out in a repository. See kubuntu.org
[05:01] <apokryphos> and sudo apt-get install koffice wouldn't be helping you because you likely haven't enabled the Universe repository
[05:02] <_ray> hey how do i get flash in konqeror?
[05:03] <yossnet81> i have a problem.... after xorg broke, my VT's have random blocks of random colors
[05:03] <overlade> hi all :) :)
[05:03] <apokryphos> _ray: installing flashplayer-mozilla should do it
[05:03] <overlade> what is the channel of french kubuntu community plz ?
[05:04] <_ray> ok
[05:05] <apokryphos> overlade: there isn't one; #ubuntu-fr exists though
[05:05] <_ray> apokryphos: didn't work
[05:05] <apokryphos> _ray: you'll have to perhaps Configure Konqueror -> Plugins -> Rescan for Plugins
[05:05] <overlade> ah !can they help me with kubuntu ? before i was with ubuntu (i know this channel :/)
[05:05] <apokryphos> make sure you restart Konqueror completely, too
[05:06] <_ray> apokryphos: yup that worked thanks man
[05:06] <apokryphos> overlade: perhaps; depends on what your question relates to
[05:07] <overlade> apokryphos: okey ;)
[05:07] <overlade> thanks
[05:08] <hater2win> hey guys!
[05:08] <hater2win> <-- new to linux
[05:08] <nmorse> That's ok.
[05:09] <hater2win> and I guess it's evidence enough that I
[05:09] <_ray> hater2win: is this your first distro?
[05:09] <hater2win> that I've spent the last 6 hours trying to figure out how to install Gaim
[05:09] <hater2win> well, yes and no
[05:09] <apokryphos> hater2win: why would you want to do that?
[05:09] <_ray> hater2win: sudo apt-get install gaim.....thats all it would have took
[05:10] <hater2win> a few months back, I made an attempt at mandrake (when it was mandrake), and slackware, but i couldn't get the internet to work on it for some reason, so I cleared it and this is my first since then
[05:11] <hater2win> is there a general set way to install everything?
[05:11] <hater2win> i tried to ./configure way
[05:11] <hater2win> but it never worked, kept telling me glib was out of date
[05:12] <_ray> hater2win: yeah kubuntu makes it really easy
[05:12] <_ray> ubotu tell hater2win about repositories
[05:13] <hater2win> ooo thanks
[05:15] <hater2win> thanks for the sudo apt-get install gaim command, worked like a charm.
[05:15] <hater2win> does that work for all installs?
[05:15] <hater2win> sudo apt-get install firefox for instance?
[05:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> try mozilla-firefox IIRC
[05:16] <_droid_> try synaptic for a gui interface to apt
[05:16] <_droid_> then you can do searches for any software to see if the repo has it
[05:17] <hater2win> ah i see
[05:19] <_ray> hater2win: and if the default repos dont have the software you want...chances are other repos will
[05:25] <hater2win> nice, thanks for the help, ill read this stuff and ask q's as needed, thanks ray and all
[05:26] <_ray> no prob
[05:45] <thegreengiant> when is the TRUE bi-arch AMD64 version of sarge comin out
[05:52] <thegreengiant> anyone????!
[05:53] <_droid_> go to the debian site or do a google search or go to the debian newsgroup
[05:56] <hater2win> l33tz0r
[05:57] <thegreengiant> i did....
[05:57] <thegreengiant> i cant find an actual informational site like there used to be
[05:58] <_droid_> you went to the debian newsgroup??
[05:58] <_droid_> I am sure you would get an answer there
[05:58] <thegreengiant> link?
[05:58] <_droid_> it mirrors the debian mailing list
[05:59] <_droid_> open you newreader and search for debian
[05:59] <_droid_> thunderbird has a newreader
[05:59] <_droid_> does you isp offer newsgoups?
[06:00] <thegreengiant> time warner
[06:00] <_droid_> you can try google news service
[06:01] <_droid_> http://groups.google.com/
[06:02] <_droid_> http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.user
[06:02] <thegreengiant> thank you so very much
[06:02] <_droid_> newsgroups are very good sources to get answers to question
[06:02] <thegreengiant> more help than the fricken kanotix ppl...
[06:03] <thegreengiant> k... i will keep that in mind...
[06:03] <thegreengiant> thank you again
[06:03] <_droid_> not a problem
[06:03] <_droid_> newgroups are still one of the best sources of information on the net
[06:03] <thegreengiant> better than slashdot eh?
[06:03] <thegreengiant> and digg
[06:03] <_droid_> lol
[06:04] <hater2win> whoa now... nothign is better than digg
[06:04] <thegreengiant> LOL
[06:04] <_droid_> good for entertaining time wasting
[06:04] <thegreengiant> digg is pretty good now.... LOL
[06:04] <hater2win> lol
[06:05] <_droid_> ask you isp if they have a news server
[06:05] <hater2win> digg is awesome
[06:05] <_droid_> then use thunderbird
[06:05] <_droid_> the best way to do newgroups
[06:05] <_droid_> then use google groups for archives
[06:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> can someone here try to connect to austnets IRC server using GAIM/ some other IRC app?
[06:06] <hater2win> ill try
[06:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks
[06:07] <s0ciopath> i'm in to austnet
[06:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> s0ciopath: is there anyone in #atomicmpc?
[06:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> for me the whole of austnets empty :O
[06:07] <hater2win> lol
[06:07] <s0ciopath> yeah shitloads
[06:08] <hater2win> hmm, im showing a ton in there
[06:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm
[06:08] <s0ciopath> 6 ops 651 total
[06:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> xchat: njit.nj.us.austnet.org - empty
[06:08] <s0ciopath> 61 total
[06:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> sounds more like it ;)
[06:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> :S
[06:08] <hater2win> lol
[06:08] <s0ciopath> fnode.il.us.austnet.org
[06:08] <s0ciopath> is what I'm cobnected to
[06:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> GAIM is connecting to the same server
[06:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. I'll try that one, thanks :|
[06:09] <s0ciopath> np
[06:10] <s0ciopath> insanely funny topic in that channel
[06:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> yay thanks s0ciopath, that server seems to be good :)
[06:10] <hater2win> high fives all around
[06:10] <hater2win> lol kidding...
[06:10] <hater2win> that would be wierd =/
[06:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. if i knew they had such an interesting topic up i would have asked about another chan ;)
[06:11] <hater2win> LOL
[06:11] <s0ciopath> sure, sure you would have
[06:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[06:14] <thegreengiant> finding a great deal of info with what you have supplied me _droid_
[06:15] <hater2win> though i've always loved collecting stamps kaiser =p
[06:15] <s0ciopath> see?? funny :)
[06:16] <hater2win> LOL
[06:16] <hater2win> that is one crazy gerbil
[06:16] <hater2win> one id rather not meet
[06:17] <thegreengiant> http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/sarge-amd64/
[06:18] <thegreengiant> what about a gerbil?
[06:18] <hater2win> lol
[06:18] <s0ciopath> lol
[06:18] <charlie> can i use the unbuntu add-on cd on kubuntu?
[06:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> charlie: what cds that?
[06:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> most likely
[06:19] <charlie> there is a addon cd that is for ubuntu it has repositories and stuff
[06:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> it should work fine
[06:20] <thegreengiant> there's one powering all the fedora core servers........ that explains frequent outtages........ j/k j/k
[06:21] <charlie> how do i get kmoon and weather widgets?
[06:21] <hater2win> lol, that chan topic is so hilarious, i cant get over it
[06:24] <s0ciopath> yeah it's worth a visit just for that
[06:25] <hater2win> my god, i have work at 6:30 in the morning and chances are im gonna be up all night fucking with linux again
[06:25] <hater2win> sorry if bad language isnt allowed in here (first time in)
[06:25] <s0ciopath> welcome to my world
[06:26] <s0ciopath> and i don't thing cursing is permitted
[06:26] <s0ciopath> think
[06:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> no it's not, but now and then
[06:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> it happens, we all know that
[06:27] <hater2win> aight koo, wont happen again
[06:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[06:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: what's the time where you are?
[06:28] <hater2win> it's only 11:30 PM, so its not THAT late yet, but ya know how it is
[06:28] <hater2win> when you are trying to figure things out, time flies by
[06:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> sure do.
[06:28] <hater2win> it'll be 3 AM in 5 minutes
[06:28] <hater2win> lol
[06:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> @ 12 I'm saying goodnight, then at 3am I'm in bed ;)
[06:29] <hater2win> LOL
[06:29] <hater2win> without a shower
[06:29] <s0ciopath> i sole that problem by taking a laptop to bed with me
[06:29] <hater2win> lol
[06:29] <hater2win> no laptop here
[06:29] <hater2win> just a beast of a rig
[06:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> bastard s0ciopath
[06:30] <hater2win> lol
[06:30] <hater2win> lol
[06:30] <hater2win> mine is fading quickly also
[06:30] <hater2win> though its still really good
[06:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, what you got?
[06:31] <hater2win> 3.2 P4 EE HT
[06:31] <hater2win> gig of DDR ram
[06:31] <hater2win> ati radeon 9600 XT PRO
[06:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> mmm.
[06:31] <hater2win> 2 80 gigs HDs
[06:31] <hater2win> 1 250 gig HD
[06:31] <hater2win> all seagates
[06:31] <hater2win> ASUS P4P800-SE
[06:31] <hater2win> mobo
[06:32] <hater2win> and an IDE controller, lol, cuz I ran out of IDE slots
[06:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[06:32] <Lancellor> how do i do to change a video card giv me and error when is booting
[06:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> so your drives are all ide?
[06:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> Lancellor: can you ube more specific about the error?
[06:33] <hater2win> yeah, which pisses me off because when i bought my 250 gig seagate, a 300 gig SATA seagate went on sale for 129 bucks. I was like nooooooooooooooO!
[06:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[06:33] <hater2win> bought my 250 for 79
[06:33] <hater2win> digg2win
[06:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> bastard
[06:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> your not in Australia ;)
[06:34] <s0ciopath> Lancellor, change the card, then reboot to console and run xorgconfig
[06:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> :o
[06:34] <Lancellor> yea i had and ati video card so atop working i cahnged it for and nvidia so whe i boot give me and error
[06:34] <hater2win> lol, thank god im not in australia
[06:34] <hater2win> (kidding)
[06:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[06:34] <hater2win> LOL
[06:35] <hater2win> put the ATI back in lancel, install drivers for the nvidia before you put it in
[06:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> or switch to vesa for the transition
[06:35] <Lancellor> ati non working
[06:35] <Lancellor> what is vesa
[06:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> generic
[06:36] <Lancellor> ok but how do i doit
[06:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> do you know how to use a text editor?
[06:37] <Lancellor> like vi
[06:37] <Lancellor> yes
[06:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool. then you can hack the /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change the "driver" line to vesa
[06:39] <hater2win> you and me kaiser... we're gonna be best friends... lol
[06:39] <Lancellor> but i don't get to that point
[06:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: :D
[06:40] <hater2win> well, you're pretty much screwed i would guess, you're best bet is to go out and buy a cheap ass vid card for like 15 bucks
[06:40] <hater2win> to hold you over
[06:40] <Lancellor> thanks
[06:40] <s0ciopath> Lancellor, boot to the console
[06:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> Lancellor: so what is your exact problem
[06:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> x wont start?
[06:40] <s0ciopath> when your video fails, it should default you to there
[06:41] <Lancellor> i think kubuntu should have like a repair mode or something
[06:41] <hater2win> oh, i thought you meant you new vid card was fried too, lol, my bad
[06:41] <s0ciopath> then you can edit the file and reboot
[06:42] <s0ciopath> or you can run xorgconfig and redo the configuration
[06:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> xorgconfig?
[06:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> dpkg-reconfigure? or is there some extra ap?
[06:42] <Lancellor> i'm going to try
[06:42] <s0ciopath> yes xorgconfig
[06:43] <s0ciopath> builds you a new xorg.conf file
[06:43] <Lancellor> what card do you recomend for around 50 to 100
[06:43] <hater2win> check newegg
[06:43] <hater2win> they usually have some pretty good deals
[06:44] <Lancellor> like a compatible with linux
[06:44] <hater2win> though they become less and less reliable as they get more and more popular
[06:45] <hater2win> that was odd
[06:45] <Lancellor> thanks i'm going to have reset my computer to try what you told me
[06:45] <hater2win> gl
[06:45] <luminerd> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=350118
[06:46] <s0ciopath> sn?
[06:48] <s0ciopath> can;'t help you luminerd, sorry
[06:50] <s0ciopath> sectal repositories?
[06:50] <hater2win> *shrug* i dont even know what the hell a repository is
[06:50] <s0ciopath> repositories are places where all the packages for a distro are kept
[06:51] <hater2win> hmm, so do i have to place files in the repository to use them?
[06:51] <s0ciopath> they are usually separated into basic, advanced, commerial, dubious legality ets
[06:51] <hater2win> well, packages, that is
[06:51] <s0ciopath> no, you download them from the repository to use them
[06:51] <hater2win> oh i see
[06:52] <s0ciopath> like when you use kynaptic to download a package, it's getting iot from a repository
[06:52] <s0ciopath> only the basic repositories are set up be default
[06:52] <hater2win> so like on the gtk website where it has all the glib, gtk, pango packs, is that one?
[06:52] <s0ciopath> but you can add the universe, multiverse and backports
[06:53] <s0ciopath> it might be considered one, but not really
[06:53] <hater2win> universe being...
[06:53] <s0ciopath> hang a sec
[06:53] <hater2win> k
[06:53] <s0ciopath> I'm looking something up
[06:53] <hater2win> np, at this point in my learning, ill take all the help i can get, lol
[06:54] <insanekane> !repos
[06:54] <ubotu> it has been said that repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:54] <insanekane> hater2win: !repos
[06:54] <insanekane> !repos to hater2win
[06:54] <ubotu> insanekane: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[06:54] <insanekane> !repos hater2win
[06:54] <ubotu> insanekane: Are you smoking crack?
[06:54] <insanekane> hehe
[06:54] <s0ciopath> yeah the file is /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:55] <hater2win> ooo
[06:55] <s0ciopath> you just remove the # in frot of the repository that you want
[06:55] <s0ciopath> you cna have them all if yuo want
[06:56] <hater2win> i see
[06:56] <insanekane> hater2win: !repos
[06:56] <s0ciopath> ok good, cause it's almost midnight, and I have to go home
[06:56] <s0ciopath> til tomorrow
[06:56] <hater2win> heh
[06:56] <hater2win> thanks s0c, night
[06:56] <s0ciopath> night
[06:57] <hater2win> thx insane
[06:57] <insanekane> hater2win: ive been trying to tell for sometime now if you notice :P
[06:58] <hater2win> heh, yeah
[07:03] <abinadid> Hi this is Lancellor
[07:03] <hater2win> howd it go
[07:03] <abinadid> i'm in my kubuntu machine
[07:03] <hater2win> nice
[07:04] <abinadid> i edit my xorg.conf with the vesa
[07:04] <abinadid> no how do i get my nvidia drivers
[07:05] <hater2win> website?
[07:05] <abinadid> i just get 1024 for 768
[07:05] <benjamin1254> i have issues with su password when i try to use mine it says sorry ... and it wont let me in SU mode
[07:06] <hater2win> you have to set an actual pw benjamin, i was having that same problem earlier
[07:06] <benjamin1254> explain.. cuz i have my user password for when i log in
[07:08] <insanekane> first of all, you should use sudo, not su
[07:08] <insanekane> tell benjamin1254 about sudo
[07:08] <benjamin1254> please do
[07:12] <hater2win> alright, im out for the night, good night guys
[07:22] <supernix> hiya all
[07:23] <supernix> I have something logged in auth log that has me worried can someone help
[07:23] <supernix> ?
[07:25] <pax> what is it?
[07:28] <supernix> hiya pax
[07:28] <supernix> I have these entries in the logs that worry me
[07:28] <supernix> Aug 4 07:29:32 localhost sshd[18830] : Invalid user albert from ::ffff:203.167.27.234
[07:28] <supernix> Aug 4 07:29:35 localhost sshd[18832] : Invalid user alex from ::ffff:203.167.27.234
[07:28] <supernix> Aug 4 07:29:40 localhost sshd[18834] : Invalid user alexa from ::ffff:203.167.27.234
[07:28] <supernix> Aug 4 07:29:44 localhost sshd[18836] : Invalid user alexa from ::ffff:203.167.27.234
[07:28] <pax> so port 22 is open?
[07:29] <supernix> Should I worry about that?
[07:29] <supernix> I guess I do I don't know
[07:29] <pax> sudo apt-get install nmap
[07:29] <pax> nmap localhost
[07:31] <pax> supernix: if you don't use sshd, just shut it down. someone is just trying to login your box, tis all.
[07:31] <supernix> ah ok
[07:31] <supernix> Yeah I do see that ssh is open
[07:31] <pax> /etc/init.d/ssh stop
[07:31] <supernix> How do you stop ssh from loading at boot ?
[07:32] <pax> gotta edit the script
[07:32] <pax> hold on let me find it in *butu
[07:33] <pax> !find rcconf
[07:33] <pax> supernix: install that it'll make your life easier
[07:34] <ubotu> Ubuntu Search of 'rcconf' (2 shown): (/usr/bin/rcconf, /usr/sbin/update-rcconf-guide) in universe/admin/rcconf ;; (/usr/share/hercules/hercconf.html, /usr/share/doc/hercules/html/hercconf.html) in universe/otherosfs/hercules.
[07:34] <pax> supernix: sudo apt-get install rcconf
[07:35] <pax> then start it as root, it'll ask what services you wanna run at boot
[07:35] <pax> disable anything you dont need. anything you dont know leave alone.
[07:36] <ilba7r> is there a thread or howto for making mirror image of the home directory <like a backup>
[07:37] <supernix> that is kewl
[07:37] <supernix> I just saw postfix
[07:38] <supernix> didnt even know I had a mail server installed
[07:38] <pax> ilba7r: mailing list, there was a discussion about it earlier I think.
[07:38] <pax> brb
[07:38] <ilba7r> thanx pax
[07:38] <benjamin1254> i also have trouble sometimes logging into the net sometimes especially when im using my messengers i do use dhcp but sometimes it just doesent want to get on the internet and i know its not a network issue cuz i checked everything
[07:40] <benjamin1254> especially when i log into my messenger it wont go through eather
[07:46] <pax> supernix is you are running the box as deasktop, install firestarter, it's simple
[07:46] <pax> !find firestarter
[07:46] <ubotu> firestarter: (gtk program for managing and observing your firewall), section universe/admin, is optional. Version: 1.0.1-1ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 518 kB, Installed size: 2348 kB
[07:47] <supernix> pax does kubuntu install a firewall by default ?
[07:48] <pax> iptables
[07:49] <supernix> ah I have heard just a little about iptables I think
[07:49] <pax> firestarter is a frontend for iptables, it's just like one of those windowz firewalls
[07:49] <supernix> it was that or ipchains
[07:49] <pax> ipchains is a thing of the past
[07:51] <pax> you might wanna take a look at guarddog too, it's for KDE
[07:52] <benjamin1254> is guarddog in the kubuntu pakages as well?
[07:52] <pax> yes it is.
[07:52] <benjamin1254> thanks pax
[07:52] <pax> np
[07:54] <supernix> pax: I have firestarter running now thanks
[07:54] <pax> welcome.
[07:54] <supernix> I just started will it setup itself in such a manner that I won't be locked out of my own machine ?
[07:54] <pax> now you have a sensei guarding your ports
[07:55] <supernix> I heard before that if you didn't know what you were doing that you could actually lock yourself out of your own box
[07:55] <benjamin1254> ueah now im downloading that thing and ... i was wondering pax when i download bittourrent it doesent show up in the files list what do i do to get the file to show up for use
[07:55] <pax> hehe I dont think so it walks you thru some steps the frst time you fire it up
[07:55] <supernix> LOL domo
[07:56] <pax> benjamin1254: come again mate, I didnt get the question
[07:56] <supernix> pax: it is asking me about dial out but I use cable
[07:56] <pax> tell it you use cable then eth0 most likely
[07:56] <supernix> should I check that anyway to me it seems that it is just wanting me to start it if a network is active
[07:57] <pax> oh, I sew hatcha talking about, nah dont check that option, doesnt make any difference anyway
[07:57] <benjamin1254> when i download some files they wont show up like gaim in the main menue when u go to press k (the linux start menu) and when i go to find the files i downloaded some of hem just dont show up...
[07:57] <pax> see*
[07:57] <supernix> ok ty
[07:57] <benjamin1254> i would like to use them but i dont know how
[07:58] <benjamin1254> ne ideas tax?
[07:58] <benjamin1254> [ax*
[07:58] <pax> benjamin1254: files should go to /home/benjamin or some dir inside it that you have created
[07:58] <benjamin1254> pax* oi its like 2 am here
[07:58] <benjamin1254> ok so they shgould be in there for use and i just click on them for use right
[07:59] <supernix> wow pax that is majorly kewl
[07:59] <supernix> I just started it and see everything
[07:59] <pax> benjamin1254: yeah, I would mkdir download/ and use that directory to store stuff you download from the net
[08:00] <pax> supernix: now it's time to test it, go to some fireswall test site and probe your ports to make sure they are all closed :D
[08:00] <pax> http://scan.sygatetech.com/
[08:01] <supernix> tu
[08:02] <pax> :-)
[08:03] <supernix> ty LOL
[08:03] <supernix> welp that worked like a charm
[08:03] <supernix> not able to detect any services running
[08:03] <benjamin1254> yeah but i download all of them from kubuntu's paket manager
[08:03] <pax> good, no more alex and his sister alexa
[08:04] <supernix> I always worry about firewalls well my only real experience has been windows firewalls
[08:04] <supernix> don't know about the Linux ones
[08:04] <pax> benjamin1254: wait a minute by files you mean packages, programs, right?
[08:04] <_ray> !find konverter
[08:04] <supernix> I do know that I have seen firewalls alot of time slow your connection down
[08:04] <ubotu> Ubuntu Search of 'konverter' (1 shown): (/usr/share/icons/mono/scalable/apps/konverter.svgz) in universe/kde/kde-icons-mono.
[08:04] <benjamin1254> yes the packages from the packet manager provided in the OS yes
[08:05] <pax> benjamin1254: if you install a program and it doesnt show on your KMenu then just right click on the list and it will take you to kmenuedit where you can add it manualy
[08:06] <benjamin1254> thank u pax so much for ur help u have been wonderful
[08:06] <_ray> anybody know of a good app to convert avi to mpeg .....
[08:16] <pax> _ray: avidemux is no good?
[08:16] <richardkillingsw> HELLO
[08:17] <_ray> pax: no.....its not really......i tried installing konverter but it had bugs
[08:18] <_ray> im running mencoder right now....lets see if that works
[08:19] <_ray> pax: im looking for command line.....or kde
[08:20] <pax> good luck :-)
[08:20] <_ray> ill tell you if it works
[08:20] <_ray> richardkillingsw: hello
[08:20] <pax> k _ray
[08:21] <_ray> !find mencoder
[08:21] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'mencoder' (4 shown): mencoder-586 ;; mencoder-custom ;; mencoder-k6 ;; mencoder-k7.
[08:21] <_ray> !find ffmpeg
[08:21] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'ffmpeg' (2 shown): ffmpeg ;; gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg.
[08:22] <_ray> ubotu are you hungry
[08:22] <ubotu> _ray: I haven't a clue
[08:34] <root> plz help me
[08:34] <root> I have a prism2 card
[08:34] <root> i have installed the wlan-ng driver
[08:35] <root> but everytime i want to go on the internet after a reboor, i must use 3 commands to activate
[08:35] <root> someone knows how i kan set this on auto
[08:35] <root> ???
[08:37] <Kaiser_essen> root. stop ircing as root
[08:37] <Kaiser_essen> bbl
[08:37] <root> ok
[09:09] <buz> i have grave predictions for kde4: http://www.trolltech.com/video/qt4dance_medium.mov
[09:11] <aseigo> you aren't familiar with the tradition of dancing wildly at the openning and closing ceremonies of every major kde event?
[09:14] <buz> no
[09:14] <buz> and i dont wanna know
[09:14] <benjamin1254> thats a bit random
[09:14] <aseigo> well, it's rumoured to be the source all good things k, d and e;)
[09:27] <curtis> How do I quote someone on IRC?
[09:27] <curtis> Like having there name come up in "<>"
[09:32] <paines> hi
[09:32] <curtis> Hi
[09:32] <benjamin1254> no im not
[09:33] <curtis> Well everything now works on my friends kubuntu box.
[09:33] <curtis> (thank god)
[09:34] <benjamin1254> curtis... what do u use ur box for?
[09:34] <curtis> Well the box I'm on right now is my friends.
[09:34] <curtis> I have a Gentoo box that I use for pretty much everything.
[09:35] <curtis> I installed kubuntu for him so he can learn.
[09:35] <benjamin1254> id like to use gentoo but so far i havent got past the startup phase
[09:35] <curtis> That's the problem for most people.
[09:35] <curtis> I've installed gentoo on my iBook at least 13 times before I got it right.
[09:35] <curtis> Now I can install gentoo on anything in my sleep.
[09:36] <curtis> including a xbox. :)
[09:36] <benjamin1254> it will go through the cd and after that i go blank (cant think) and i dont knoww what to do in the command promp
[09:36] <benjamin1254> i just loose all train of thought
[09:36] <curtis> Have you read the install guide?
[09:37] <curtis> If you just follow the install guide you should be straight.
[09:38] <benjamin1254> yeah even then being a noob i loose it lol.. cuz it just dont help much with me... im not much of a read do it person... im use to the GUI interface like this os has
[09:38] <benjamin1254> when u go to install
[09:38] <curtis> Oh yeah.
[09:38] <curtis> Installing it is the hardest part.
[09:38] <curtis> Everything else is easy.
[09:39] <curtis> But ubunut or kubuntu is my second fav distro.
[09:39] <curtis> I'm happy with recommending it.
[09:40] <benjamin1254> well i also use knoppix and slax and DSL... ive just been messing around with alot of the linux oses lately and cant seem to find one that i fall in love with
[09:40] <curtis> It takes some time.
[09:40] <benjamin1254> they aee all darn good distros
[09:40] <curtis> True.
[09:41] <curtis> What do you use your computer for?
[09:41] <benjamin1254> well i use it fr gamin when i can afford a windows os... other then that i use it for being the house server since im running off of a gigabit eathernet link
[09:42] <curtis> Nice.
[09:42] <curtis> bsd makes a good OS for a server.
[09:43] <benjamin1254> yeah i plan on updating to 4 gigs so i can use it as a web server and a house server .... im thinkin of trying it and others as soon as i can get my new stack of cds i ordered i spent a hundred dollers on blank cds and expecting close to athousand blanks
[09:43] <benjamin1254> all for distros
[09:43] <benjamin1254> lol
[09:43] <curtis> haha
[09:43] <curtis> Nice one.
[09:44] <curtis> Well benjamin1254 I got to head out and get some sleep.
[09:44] <curtis> Good luck finding a distro.
[09:44] <benjamin1254> hey b4 u go
[09:44] <curtis> yeah
[09:44] <benjamin1254> do u have yahoo im?
[09:44] <curtis> Only AIM.
[09:44] <benjamin1254> name for when i get an account
[09:44] <benjamin1254> ?
[09:45] <benjamin1254> ur username
[09:45] <benjamin1254> ?
[09:45] <curtis> I'll msg it to you.
[09:45] <benjamin1254> k
[09:59] <benjamin1254> man this room is so quiet
[10:35] <luminerd> WTF
[10:35] <luminerd> another one?!
[10:41] <fromoze> mambo!
[10:50] <ilba7r> any one had this problem with aptitude? using the gui for aptitude i got 16 broken packages and when i checked why it said some dependencies are broken while checking for the broken dependencies i found them all installed!!!!wierd
[10:54] <alakhia> How do I suspend my laptop? Tried "apm -s" but that doesn't work with my kernel ...
[11:42] <BTJustice> I have a starnge install problem going on. I have been using Ubuntu on a different system and 'upgraded' it to Kubuntu. I want to install Kubuntu on my main PC which also has Windows XP Pro on it...
[11:43] <BTJustice> My drive set up is 2 serial ATA hard drives (C: & D:) and 2 standard IDE drives (E: & F:)...
[11:43] <BTJustice> WIndows XP is on C:
[11:43] <BTJustice> D: is a video backup
[11:43] <BTJustice> E: is my document and mail backup
[11:43] <BTJustice> All the above are Windows
[11:43] <BTJustice> I want to install Kubuntu on F:
[11:44] <BTJustice> So I put the CD in and boot and it never gets past the loading linux kernel part.
[11:44] <BTJustice> Is this related to serial ATA?
[11:44] <paines> BTJustice, could be
[11:44] <BTJustice> How can I get around it so I can install Kubuntu?
[11:44] <paines> depends on the controller
[11:44] <paines> mine was supported
[11:44] <BTJustice> My motherboard is an Asus A7V8X
[11:45] <BTJustice> Promise controlelr i think.
[11:45] <paines> when you boot from the kubuntu cd
[11:45] <paines> press f1 to fn and read the screens
[11:46] <paines> maybe there is an option you can give to linux so that the sata drivers are not loaded
[11:46] <BTJustice> OK, I do that at the very first screen to hiot enter to isntall or type 'server'?
[11:47] <BTJustice> See I want to dual boot (gotta have my WIndows games)
[11:47] <paines> correct, int that screen you can press f1 to fn and read
[11:48] <BTJustice> alright, let me try that, i'll brb if it doesn;t work
[11:48] <BTJustice> thanks
[11:48] <paines> np
[11:59] <BTJustice> No dice.
[11:59] <BTJustice> I didn;t see anything relating to the "Promise Fast Trak 376" controller.
[12:02] <BTJustice> So how can I get around that to isntall Kubuntu?
[12:03] <jpatrick> what's the problem?
[12:03] <paines> BTJustice, maybe you get around it by diabling scsi
[12:03] <paines> was there the option noscsi ?
[12:04] <BTJustice> Yeah I think there was.
[12:04] <BTJustice> I wonder if maybe I need to load something before the install?
[12:04] <BTJustice> Like off a floppy?
[12:04] <paines> try that. it should work
[12:06] <BTJustice> ok, thanks again
[12:06] <paines> good luck
[12:07] <BTJustice> we'll hope, lol
[12:12] <BTJustice> I didn't see anything about SCSI except for Adaptec stuff and I have no idea what the parameters are or would be.
[12:13] <BTJustice> http://www.google.com/search?q=Promise+FastTrak+376+Linux&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official
[12:13] <BTJustice> I'll have to dig around on that I guess.
[12:26] <ztonzy> hi
[12:41] <BTJustice> OK! I figured it out. I had to use "boot: linux pci=noacpi"
[12:41] <BTJustice> That got Kubuntu to install.
[12:41] <BTJustice> I selected to put GRUB on MBR.
[12:42] <BTJustice> Computer rebooted, and went straight ot Windows XP. No GRUB boot menu appeared.
[12:42] <BTJustice> So how can I boot into Kubuntu?
[12:43] <BTJustice> Can I make a GRUB boot floppy?
[12:43] <BTJustice> How if I can?
[01:39] <sml> test :)
[01:40] <sml> Has anyone noticed a bug in the Network Settings - Configure window?
[01:40] <sml> I cannot see the window to enter the admin password!!
[01:42] <kasim> sml: have it working with kde 3.4.2
[01:43] <sml> hmm .. do I check my KDE version?
[01:44] <sml> ahhh ... i have 3.4.0!!
[01:44] <sml> can i upgrade via kynaptic?
[01:47] <kasim> sml: i have in /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:47] <kasim> deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342 hoary-updates main
[01:47] <kasim> i have upgraded via kde 3.4.1 the same way
[01:48] <sml> kasim .. why wouldn't my standard updates pick up kde342 ? this doesn't look like a testing repo?
[01:57] <kasim> sml: i dont know, i have it setup that way
[02:01] <nikkia> hmmmm
[02:08] <sml> kasim .. hhmm seems to working
[02:17] <sophyn> sda
[02:22] <apokryphos> hey nikkia =)
[02:22] <nikkia> hi apokryphos
[02:22] <apokryphos> how are you today?
[02:22] <nikkia> meh
[02:22] <apokryphos> sounds promising ;-)
[02:23] <BTJustice> I got a little problem with GRUB. I made a GRUB floppy boot disk. When I try to boot from it, all it says is GRUB and nothing else and doesn't do anything. I can't see any files on it in Windows XP (which I am on now). What should I do so I can boot into my newly installed Kubuntu?
[02:23] <nikkia> apokryphos: so far, i got up early by mistake, took the cardboard boxes out for the bin men, bought a paper trimmer, and thats about it really
[02:23] <nikkia> oh, and packaged up the CDs and DVD for my mum
[02:23] <apokryphos> I hope she appreciates them :P
[02:24] <apokryphos> You seen this: http://blogs.qtdeveloper.net/archives/2005/08/03/some-basic-thoughts-about-kde-4/ ? Found it pretty interesting
[02:24] <nikkia> apokryphos: she will apreciate 2 of the CDs, dunno about the third
[02:24] <apokryphos> blog entry from Ettrich
[02:24] <nikkia> CDs are: Pink Floyd - The Division Bell (she asked me for another copy of that, she's lost the copy i made years ago), Robert Plant - The Mighty Rearranger, and Cake - Fashion Nugget
[02:25] <apokryphos> My parents generally don't listen to much else other than old Greek music
[02:25] <apokryphos> most of which I quite like, funnily enough. Works well.
[02:25] <nikkia> i listen to old greek music, assuming vangelis counts as 'old' :P
[02:26] <apokryphos> hehe. I don't even know any of the artists; my dad just has a "Collection of Greek Music" cd with 200 or so MP3s; stick that in, and let the songs roll
[02:27] <apokryphos> (mainly listen to them in the car, that is)
[02:27] <nikkia> apokryphos: i'm not exactly sure what that blog is saying.... it just seems to be rambling :)
[02:32] <apokryphos> Kind of is, but considering he is who he is (founder of KDE), sounds like a prelimenary "sending out the troops"
[02:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: given what he rambles about, i forsee a fork :(
[02:32] <apokryphos> I had a *very* long debate with a gnome-devoutee some time ago, mentioning half the things he's saying there
[02:32] <apokryphos> They kept putting down the evilness of the Konqueror integration
[02:32] <apokryphos> and that kde is failing to make the demarcation for the different user-areas
[02:32] <BTJustice> I got a little problem with GRUB. I made a GRUB floppy boot disk. When I try to boot from it, all it says is GRUB and nothing else and doesn't do anything. I can't see any files on it in Windows XP (which I am on now). What should I do so I can boot into my newly installed Kubuntu?
[02:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: fine, add a kio configuration option, don't take the things away tho! :P
[02:32] <apokryphos> nikkia: exactly. KDE users don't care if it's better originally, or all that; the longer-time kde members would be very annoyed by such changes
[02:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: as i said, i foresee a fork, if he gets his way :/
[02:32] <insanekane> nikkia: if who gets his way ?
[02:32] <apokryphos> Most people replying seem to speak out against it. Not sure what'll happen; I guess we can only wait n' see.
[02:32] <apokryphos> insanekane: Ettrich
[02:32] <apokryphos> Matthias Ettrich -- founder of KDE.
[02:32] <insanekane> apokryphos: what is he trying to do ? do you mean KDE people will follow him, or not ?
[02:32] <insanekane> apokryphos: yes, i know M. Ettrich
[02:32] <nikkia> insanekane: ettrich wants konqueror stripped of its multi-functionality, 'just a web browser', and 'less configuration options'
[02:32] <insanekane> hmm
[02:32] <apokryphos> check the link above
[02:32] <nikkia> insanekane: IOWS, rip out the kio stuff
[02:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: insanekane joined after you pasted it
[02:32] <insanekane> apokryphos: which link ?
[02:32] <insanekane> yes, i did join after it
[02:32] <insanekane> nikkia: oh ... that is really bad :/
[02:32] <apokryphos> http://blogs.qtdeveloper.net/archives/2005/08/03/some-basic-thoughts-about-kde-4/
[02:33] <insanekane> and ? will the KDE people join him or leave ?
[02:33] <nikkia> apokryphos: with no disrespect to aseigo, plasma makes me a little uneasy too
[02:33] <apokryphos> It's not clear if this is definitely going to happen; as the title mentions, those are some thoughts
[02:33] <apokryphos> and he said he's looking forward to heated discussions at aKademy. Nothing final as of yet.
[02:33] <apokryphos> nikkia: really?
[02:33] <insanekane> nikkia: whats wrong with plasma ? it seems a good thing :)
[02:34] <nikkia> apokryphos: i have no doubt plasma itself will be fine, my worry is that too much will get implemented as 'quick' and dirty python hacks that are slow as toffee
[02:35] <apokryphos> nikkia: They don't like python much, most of them, do they? :P
[02:35] <nikkia> apokryphos: why bother trying to port the thousands of lines of C++ for the clock applet to Qt4, when it can just be written in 20 lines of python ? :/
[02:36] <nikkia> apokryphos: i don't know the KDE devs feelings on python, but i can foresee at least some developers, and a lot of superkaramba hackers, seeing it being easier to port some kde3 applets to kde4 by using the plasma python bindings
[02:37] <apokryphos> I'm trying to remember if PyKDE is going to be shipped natively with kde 4, or if I just thought that up
[02:38] <apokryphos> There isn't actually a python program yet in kde; sk is coming there
[02:38] <apokryphos> one of the Google Summer projects was "make a program in another language"; they wanted to show that kde libs are flexible and C++ isn't needed
[02:38] <insanekane> wow, thank GOD someone noticed about the *stupid* single click :)
[02:40] <nikkia> insanekane: yeah, i had to turn that off yesterday, it was driving me up the wall in k3b :P
[02:40] <apokryphos> Apparently single-click is how one associates the metaphor. Problem is, a *very* minimal amount of persons use linux/kde as their *first* setup
[02:40] <luminerd> anyone know how to tell what windows driver I need for my ethernet? downloading so I don't end up with a driverless system...
[02:40] <insanekane> actually, pyKDE/pyQt is a damn good choice ... will get better with the new interpreter etc
[02:40] <apokryphos> most are migrators from Windows. So, it's really a question of who the target-audience is
[02:40] <nikkia> apokryphos: the problem is, i have no objection to single-click, if selecting files is made easier
[02:40] <nikkia> apokryphos: as it stands, you cannot select files effectively in KDE with single click enabled
[02:40] <apokryphos> nikkia: current method is use Ctrl, isn't it?
[02:40] <nikkia> apokryphos: it doesn't work properly
[02:40] <apokryphos> insanekane: oh, I'm not saying PyKDE is bad at all -- I think it's very good. And I've felt the loss of not having it since been on hoary
[02:40] <nikkia> apokryphos: if there is already a selection, and you want to make a *new* multi-file selection that cannot be rect-selected, you cannot do it
[02:40] <insanekane> apokryphos: of course, it isn'
[02:41] <insanekane> apokryphos: isn't a panacea :)
[02:41] <equex> nikkia: bingo, i noticed that too
[02:41] <nikkia> apokryphos: at least, not with ctrl-click unselecting all of the existing selection
[02:41] <nikkia> without
[02:41] <equex> windows has an good interface there
[02:42] <nikkia> equex: to be fair, windows has similar issues if single click open is enabled, in places
[02:42] <equex> just keep control held down and make a new multiselection with shift
[02:42] <apokryphos> nikkia: trying to understand what you're saying.. you're saying that if 3 files are selected, and you want to select 4 more, you can't do it?
[02:42] <nikkia> windows always gets the 'double click to open' setting here, too
[02:42] <nikkia> apokryphos: ok, imagine the following scenario...
[02:42] <apokryphos> equex: shift multiselection doesn't work how one might want it to. Works in lines
[02:42] <nikkia> apokryphos: i have file1, 2, and 3 selected, they cannot be rect selected for some reason (assume they're part of a huge directory, and not named concurrently)
[02:43] <apokryphos> double click to open on windows -- precisely. Which is why if the target market is mainly migrators for windows, it's a better idea to stick to double click.
[02:43] <nikkia> concurrently=sequentially
[02:43] <apokryphos> right
[02:43] <equex> my grandmother can double click. thats what people know about computers. doubleclick, hardisk and internet
[02:43] <nikkia> apokryphos: now, i want to unselect those, and select files4, 5, 6, 7, again, not sequentially named, just like that for example's sake
[02:44] <nikkia> apokryphos: i cannot do it, without either, rect selecting one of the new files, and thus creating a new '1 file' selection to start adding with ctrl-click to, or by ctrl-clicking the others and then ctrl-clicking to unselect 1,2,3
[02:45] <nikkia> turn off single click open, and all works fine, of course :)
[02:45] <apokryphos> So, why not click in a blank space so that the selection of 1,2,3 goes, then start selecting them with Ctrl+click?
[02:45] <nikkia> apokryphos: because i might not have blank space :)
[02:45] <insanekane> yeah it sucks ... single click nonsense :)
[02:46] <insanekane> and users get very confused
[02:46] <apokryphos> Ah, in that case then there would indeed be a problem, yeah. =)
[02:46] <nikkia> apokryphos: also, its just *wrong* to single-click add files in k3b
[02:46] <insanekane> actually, i always did wonder why there are no "view-slaves" for konqueror, like io-slaves for communications
[02:46] <insanekane> that would solve the trash bin problem ...
[02:47] <apokryphos> I never use trash -- live life on the edge ;-)
[02:47] <equex> hehe apo
[02:48] <equex> i actually lost files living on the edge, so i keep a trashcan
[02:48] <apokryphos> ok, most of them not mine; phew 8)
[02:49] <nikkia> gah @ powergen
[02:49] <nikkia> they're driving me nuts
[02:50] <nikkia> every day this week, i've gotten a letter saying 'please don't leave us!!'
[02:50] <nikkia> actually, got 2 copies of the same letter today
[02:50] <apokryphos> hah
[02:50] <apokryphos> dear valued customer,
[02:50] <nikkia> apokryphos: i wouldn't mind, but when they CALLED to say 'please don't leave us!!' a month ago, they gave up when they asked why i was switching
[02:51] <nikkia> 'because you're more expensive' 'we can reduce our prices' 'they charge 1/2 your prices' 'ok, never mind, bye'
[02:51] <nxv_> hi, i installed the nvidia driver as discribed here: http://ubuntuguide.org/ how can i validate it is running? glxinfo ends up with seg fault
[02:51] <nikkia> nxv, if glxinfo is seg faulting, chances are, your install isn't right
[02:51] <equex> ahh good to see someone struggle with nvidia
[02:51] <apokryphos> nikkia: haha. Always the way. That happened to me with hosting, though I was surprised to hear them say... "that is an amazing offer.... but actually, we can do better than it!"
[02:52] <neofreko> ppl, I've install ipw2200 and followed the path in http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26623 .. still I don't know how to make my wireless thingy works
[02:52] <apokryphos> nxv_: you should restart x
[02:52] <nikkia> apokryphos: i doubt anyone can offer hosting on a new account cheaper than i pay :P
[02:53] <nikkia> apokryphos: even the company i'm with, can't offer the price i pay them :)
[02:53] <apokryphos> nikkia: wanna bet ;-)
[02:53] <apokryphos> (same)
[02:53] <nxv_> apokryphos: i did
[02:53] <apokryphos> SimpleKDE http://www.simplekde.org/ -- this has gotta be a joke... no, no it isn't. Unofficial fork.
[02:53] <nikkia> neofreko: 25/year 1GB/50GB b/w
[02:53] <nxv_> apokryphos: ended kde and did additional ctrl+alt+backspace in the login
[02:53] <apokryphos> $3 a month, 6 gig -- 75 gig bandwidth
[02:54] <apokryphos> and reliable too :P
[02:54] <neofreko> anyone has some wireless stuff clues for me?
[02:54] <apokryphos> nxv_: if it's working then it should show nvidia screen before your kdm comes up
[02:54] <nikkia> apokryphos: hmmm, how many email/mysql/psql ?
[02:54] <nxv_> haven't seen the nvidia logo
[02:54] <apokryphos> nikkia: ok, that is limited ;-), but it's a.o.k. for me only because I have another account with unlimited all.
[02:55] <apokryphos> nikkia: thing is, at the time I could've asked them and they probably would've given me unlimited of those
[02:55] <apokryphos> nikkia: said it was part of their "meet and great" idea :|
[02:55] <nikkia> apokryphos: oh, i'm limited on them, i just wondered what your limits were
[02:56] <apokryphos> nikkia: MySQL 15; add-on: 5; emails.. hmm, I should check
[02:56] <nikkia> apokryphos: any psql dbs at all ?
[02:56] <apokryphos> they're good though; very reliable (I've had alertra.com on the case), have python and all the stuff
[02:56] <apokryphos> nikkia: what is that? :|
[02:56] <nikkia> apokryphos: postgresql databases
[02:56] <apokryphos> What are they for? Haven't used one, and doubtful if I've heard of them
[02:57] <nikkia> apokryphos: its just another database server, a bit more 'heavyweight' than mysql
[02:57] <apokryphos> nikkia: can you check from cpanel?
[02:57] <nikkia> apokryphos: should be able to
[02:57] <nikkia> apokryphos: cpanel 10 should display mysql/psql database counts together
[02:58] <apokryphos> I only have Mysql databases 3 / 10
[02:58] <apokryphos> cPanel Pro 1.0 (RC1)
[02:58] <nikkia> then you probably don't have postgres on the server
[02:58] <apokryphos> cpanel 1.0 is 10, as I recall, right?
[02:59] <nikkia> apokryphos: erm, no idea
[02:59] <nikkia> mine just id's as cpanel X
[02:59] <nxv_> when i run nvidia-settings it opens a box wich seems to referre to an panel applet. but it isn't present. perhaps gnome only? console says ERROR: NV-CONTROL extension not found on this Display.
[02:59] <nikkia> with 'cpanel 10' in tiny letters on the edge of the control panel :)
[02:59] <apokryphos> Quite sure it is; I *definitely* don't ahve 1 if 10 is out. My cpanel looks like the screenies provided on their site, at least
[03:00] <nikkia> apokryphos: which screenies?
[03:00] <nikkia> oh, there they are
[03:01] <nikkia> hmmm
[03:01] <nikkia> all the screenshots on cpanel.net appear to be cpanel 9.9
[03:02] <apokryphos> for me: cPanel Build 10.2.0-RELEASE 82
[03:03] <apokryphos> Anyhow, whatever it is, suffice it to say it does the job. They give me all the things I need; shell access, imagemagick, php, python, a few add-ons et al. so it's all gravy :)
[03:06] <jpatrick> i'm bored :(
[03:07] <jjesse> me too but i'm at work :(
[03:07] <jpatrick> I'm doing my homework :s
[03:07] <apokryphos> homework in the summer? :|
[03:07] <jpatrick> It's a bad spanish habit
[03:08] <jpatrick> They give us tons of homework
[03:09] <apokryphos> jpatrick: just so that you don't have too much fun in the summer ;)
[03:09] <jpatrick> yep
[03:09] <jpatrick> I have 3 books to fill in
[03:10] <jpatrick> :p
[03:10] <apokryphos> sounds fun 8)
[03:11] <jpatrick> playing with Liquid Weather is
[03:12] <apokryphos> You go the latest SK? KHotNewStuff is great; kind of a shame that it shouldn't work with the most popular theme, though :|
[03:12] <jpatrick> I heard of KHotNewStuff
[03:13] <apokryphos> It's the stuff that makes your kde-desktop kind fo integrate with kdelook. It's already used, for example, in "Getting new Wallpapers"
[03:13] <jpatrick> oh cool
[03:16] <nikkia> apokryphos: this blog is starting to make me angry :P
[03:16] <Elak> hi all
[03:16] <apokryphos> nikkia: the comments or the actual blog? ;)
[03:16] <nikkia> the comments
[03:16] <apokryphos> which ones?
[03:17] <nikkia> apokryphos: the ones saying 'yeah, get rid of kparts and kio' :P
[03:18] <nikkia> oh god, he's the person behind unsermake? *blood boils*
[03:18] <apokryphos> Didn't actually know that. Let's lynch 'im
[03:19] <nikkia> there's little i hate more than getting some package dl'ed then being told 'oh, sorry, you need my own make program because i'm too leet to learn make'
[03:19] <apokryphos> :P
[03:19] <nikkia> and then finding said 'replacement make' has 1000 deps of its own, and isn't really any better than make, and worst of all, is only used to build *2* applications out there
[03:20] <nikkia> i believe i have 8 different make replacements installed here, all because some app i wanted required the author's own make replacement
[03:21] <equex> make your choice
[03:21] <nxv_> re, the nvidia-glx kernel module seems to be linked against the 386 ubuntu kernel. can i download a module working with the 686 ubuntu kernel?
[03:21] <apokryphos> Haha: "indeed, double clicking, aside from bringing on all sorts of muscle damage, also incurs yet more configuration cost in the form of yet more dialogues for tuning the double-click delay, click distance, and so on."
[03:23] <apokryphos> I don't think a bifurcation of file-manager/web browser will be *that* devastating, but I disagree that they're completely different categories. Where would FTP go?
[03:24] <nikkia> apokryphos: if anything, i would argue that web/local has come closer together over the last few years, on all platforms
[03:24] <nikkia> splitting them back up again *now* would be like a return to 1994
[03:24] <apokryphos> you should put in a comment ;-)
[03:24] <nikkia> apokryphos: i very rarely write on forums/blogs/etc
[03:25] <apokryphos> It'll be interesting to see all the new innovations of aKademy this time around
[03:25] <apokryphos> Forums are the best discussion place for Philosophy, and Literature probably, so I tend to use them for that
[03:26] <nikkia> apokryphos: when i write in environments like that, i always seem to end up coming across in one of 3 ways, and i don't enjoy appearing to be any of them :)
[03:27] <nikkia> (ranting, arrogant, or stupid - before you ask :)
[03:27] <apokryphos> I'm sure you don't :P
[03:28] <nikkia> anyway, my lunch should be ready, brb
[03:28] <apokryphos> design proposal: http://kde-artists.org/main/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,48/expv,0/topic,301.0 hmm, now waht DE does this remind me of... ;-)
[03:28] <apokryphos> ok
[03:29] <jpatrick> it says: Create little games or virtual pets that live on your desktop
[03:29] <jpatrick> Anyone been able to find virtual pet of SK?
[03:31] <d> I need to upgrade the sane (scanner) lib/utils under Hoary to the latest CVS version. How do I go about removing/replacing the old sane without apt demanding that I uninstall kubuntu desktop etc?
[03:31] <nikkia> apokryphos: argh, even MS abandoned that UI :P
[03:31] <d> I've compiled it already- its just that it is finding the hoary sane instead of my CVS compile
[03:32] <nikkia> d, there's no easy way to do it
[03:32] <nikkia> and just 'make install'ing may very well break core KDE stuff that depends on SANE, its a risk you take
[03:34] <apokryphos> "August 4, 2005 at 4:50 pm" is the best opposing comment as far as I can see. If a little harsh ;-)
[03:35] <nikkia> apokryphos: on what?
[03:35] <apokryphos> blog comment
[03:37] <nikkia> it brings up an interesting point
[03:37] <apokryphos> yes, several :P
[03:37] <nikkia> the remark about the 'dumbing down to the UI of a phone'
[03:37] <apokryphos> analogies can be dangerous things
[03:38] <nikkia> from what i can see, M.E spends most of his time working with Qtopia these days
[03:39] <apokryphos> You're probably right; this is the first time I've seen him mentioned with KDE in quite some time
[03:40] <apokryphos> Heh, ouch. Just checked the guy's KDE blog -- the one with the comment I referenced
[03:40] <apokryphos> first entry I see "first of all I hope you are aware that your heading "a lesson to all" sounds like pure arrogance to everyone who took part in these discussions but is still not considered in any of your reasonings."
[03:40] <apokryphos> :|
[03:42] <apokryphos> He has a blog section for "rants" -- nice.
[03:47] <nikkia> apokryphos: sadly, i find myself agreeing with a lot of what he's written :/
[03:47] <apokryphos> indeed
[03:47] <nikkia> especially about the toolbar mess :P
[03:48] <apokryphos> Yeah; I think Konqueror has some issues with that, and its use of space.
[03:48] <nikkia> is it koffice that has like 1400 toolbars ?
[03:48] <apokryphos> :|
[03:48] <apokryphos> it does have a lot
[03:48] <Zinoc> Hi
[03:48] <apokryphos> Quanta+ has loads too
[03:48] <apokryphos> hi Zinoc
[03:49] <nikkia> its possibly quanta i'm thinking of
[03:49] <nikkia> there's one where they occupy about 1/3 of the screen height in maximised mode
[03:49] <apokryphos> I just removed/replaced a lot of them, and it's fine now
[03:50] <nikkia> nope, its not quanta either
[03:50] <nikkia> what AM i thinking of??
[03:50] <apokryphos> nikkia: definitely kde?
[03:50] <nikkia> apokryphos: not definitely, no, but i think its kde
[03:52] <apokryphos> Quanta is pretty bad for that though; i.e. see http://quanta.kdewebdev.org/screenshots//shot3.png
[03:52] <nikkia> no, it wasn't quanta
[03:52] <apokryphos> that's a super screen; generally the toolbar there would go to two lines
[03:53] <nikkia> this app i'm thinking of had like 8 toolbars, that generally got less filled on each line
[03:53] <nikkia> (similar in appearance to how the Word toolbars used to be years ago)
[03:54] <apokryphos> Used MS Word the other day and quite liked it; thought, yup, one of the things missing on Linux
[03:54] <nikkia> OOo has a nice backend, shame its UI is so bad :/
[03:54] <apokryphos> I have a pretty negative feel to OO; probably down to its UI, yeah.
[03:55] <nikkia> someone should do a native KDE port, if only so we can have an app called KOOo :P
[03:55] <jpatrick> :p
[03:55] <apokryphos> hehe
[03:55] <apokryphos> Trying to think of what they'd call firefox if ported
[03:55] <apokryphos> kfirefox sounds really bad; firefok!
[03:56] <equex> haha
[03:56] <nikkia> firefoKs was suggested last night, i believe :)
[03:56] <equex> ah thats good
[03:56] <apokryphos> haha
[03:56] <equex> kthanks
[03:57] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hiya
[03:57] <nikkia> apokryphos: hmmm, is there a kio for sftp ?
[03:57] <apokryphos> woo! Root has landed. Hi Rogue_Jedi_X
[03:58] <root> i am struggling with my WLAN .. but so so close
[03:58] <nikkia> indeed there is!
[03:58] <apokryphos> yes
[03:58] <nikkia> so krusader can replace kbear!
[03:58] <nikkia> and the kio's are probably more reliable than kbear :)
[03:58] <apokryphos> Heh. Haven't used KBear in months
[03:58] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Krusader rocks
[03:58] <root> it is all connected and there is a signal --- but i am stuck at the last phase!
[03:58] <nikkia> hmmm, interesting
[03:59] <apokryphos> krusader is yuck :P
[03:59] <nikkia> sftp:// doesn't appear to use IPv6
[03:59] <Rogue_Jedi_X> No yuck! Good!
[03:59] <apokryphos> Why Krusader when you can have something to Konquer it?
[03:59] <apokryphos> nikkia: is sftp that important?
[04:00] <nikkia> ah, it does use IPv6, it just fails to open 'sftp://laptop' claiming 'laptop doesn't exist' (after, note, prompting for the username/password!)
[04:00] <Rogue_Jedi_X> It has a command line at the bottom and dual panes, two things I need
[04:00] <apokryphos> nikkia: I always just use fish or ftp
[04:00] <nikkia> apokryphos: because when you're doing file transfers via ftp/sftp you want 2 panels, and 2 konq windows is a mess
[04:00] <nikkia> apokryphos: i don't trust ftp enough :)
[04:00] <apokryphos> Rogue_Jedi_X: Konqueror can have that too. Just select it from the menu
[04:01] <apokryphos> nikkia: paranoid or substantiated untrustiness? ;)
[04:01] <nikkia> apokryphos: konq has a split panel mode ?
[04:01] <apokryphos> of course
[04:01] <nikkia> apokryphos: paranoid
[04:01] <apokryphos> I wonder what fish is like for security
[04:01] <nikkia> apokryphos: where?
[04:02] <nikkia> apokryphos: don't have them installed :P
[04:02] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hm, never noticed that
[04:02] <apokryphos> it should come with basic kdebase
[04:02] <apokryphos> use the help Kio; help:konqueror
[04:02] <nikkia> ah, there it is, under window rather than view
[04:03] <apokryphos> though I never use dual panels... would still prefer to have two windows if I needed it; though ctrl+c/ctrl+v isn't a hassle
[04:03] <apokryphos> you can of course choose how to have the panels too; top/bottom or left/right
[04:03] <_woody> hi
[04:03] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Does anyone here use mldonkey?
[04:04] <_woody> i use aMule.. its fantastic.. simple the best
[04:04] <apokryphos> Rogue_Jedi_X: tried it out once. Saw no reason to use anything other than Limewire
[04:04] <apokryphos> same for aMule :P
[04:05] <_woody> sorry, i'm brasilian and not understand english very well.. whats "same"?
[04:05] <jpatrick> mismo in spanish
[04:05] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I'm asking 'cause I can't get the stupid thing to work. aMule works fine, but - and this will sound stupid - it's ugly
[04:05] <_woody> and portuguese? rsrsrs
[04:05] <jpatrick> no idea
[04:06] <_woody> rsrs
[04:06] <apokryphos> _woody: similar, alike
[04:06] <jpatrick> alike
[04:06] <jpatrick> ^^
[04:06] <apokryphos> one of the cases where the "a" prefix doesn't imply the negative :P
[04:06] <_woody> woody is codinome of a debian
[04:07] <apokryphos> indeed
[04:07] <_woody> i'm use this, but 'im interessed in ubuntu or kubuntu..
[04:07] <apokryphos> cool :)
[04:08] <apokryphos> If you're better at Spanish, there is #ubuntu-es and #kubuntu-es by the way
[04:08] <_woody> i'm rear something for discovery ubuntu/kubuntu..
[04:08] <Rogue_Jedi_X> God, I hate this piece of crap. It's supposed to be multi-network, but all it can connect to is ed2k and Gnutella servers with no useres. No sign whatsoever of G2, OpenNap or anything else
[04:08] <_woody> ok
[04:08] <Rogue_Jedi_X> *users
[04:08] <apokryphos> Rogue_Jedi_X: what would you use the extra ones for? Gnutella has never failed to find a song I wanted
[04:08] <_woody> exist #ubuntu-br or pt?
[04:09] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I'm going back to aMule. It's ugly, but at least it works
[04:09] <apokryphos> _woody: nope
[04:09] <Rogue_Jedi_X> ed2k for bigger files and the others for songs and such
[04:09] <apokryphos> as in films? Conventional p2p clients always seem really bad for that. Torrents/IRC is the way
[04:09] <jpatrick> cool you can get a newer kernel via apt-get
[04:10] <Rogue_Jedi_X> ed2k has a really nice selection regarding films. Even old ones
[04:10] <apokryphos> !info linux-k7
[04:10] <ubotu> linux-k7: (Complete Linux kernel on AMD K7.), section restricted/base, is optional. Version: 2.6.10-7 (hoary), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 48 kB
[04:10] <apokryphos> that's what I have :P
[04:11] <Rogue_Jedi_X> So, apokryphos, you're saying that LimeWire is the way to go for songs?
[04:12] <apokryphos> Without a doubt, yeah.
[04:12] <apokryphos> Though I'd prefer there to be something like Ktella :P
[04:12] <apokryphos> Qtella never worked for me
[04:12] <apokryphos> on that note, I've never got Apollon to work neither
[04:12] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Me neither
[04:12] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Gift kept bitching about something
[04:13] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Downloading Limewire...
[04:14] <apokryphos> hope it's fixed in hoary
[04:14] <apokryphos> even compiled it as I recall, and still :P
[04:14] <apokryphos> *breezy
[04:15] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Me too. When is it due? October?
[04:15] <apokryphos> Yup. For more info:
[04:15] <apokryphos> !breezyschedule
[04:15] <ubotu> breezyschedule is probably at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseSchedule
[04:15] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Thanks
[04:16] <apokryphos> it will be usable quite before that though
[04:17] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I think I'll wait anyway
[04:17] <jpatrick> I think I'll get it soon
[04:18] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Ugh, curse my social life. brb
[04:19] <mabu> Can Anyone do Alt+F2 gg: something whitout freezing konqueror?
[04:19] <sproingie> works fine for me
[04:19] <apokryphos> works fine; I use it every now and again
[04:19] <PieD> works fine here too
[04:20] <mabu> By me konqueror starts flashing and doesn't want to stop
[04:20] <mabu> I have to kill kfmclient and konqueror
[04:20] <apokryphos> :S
[04:21] <mabu> Did you install kubuntu or ubuntu?
[04:21] <apokryphos> it shouldn't matter, but ubuntu.
[04:21] <apokryphos> there was no kubuntu back then :P
[04:22] <mabu> I installed ubuntu and then apt-get install kubuntu
[04:22] <apokryphos> There is no kubuntu pack
[04:22] <apokryphos> you should apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:22] <mabu> I mean kubuntu-desktop
[04:22] <apokryphos> mabu: You should be fine then. Are you on 3.4.2?
[04:23] <mabu> yes
[04:23] <apokryphos> mabu: did you do sudo apt-get upgrade to install it?
[04:23] <mabu> I had the same problem on 3.4.0 too
[04:23] <apokryphos> :-o
[04:24] <apokryphos> actually, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade would be better
[04:25] <sml> guys ... i am so close with my WLAN connection .. can anyone help in the last stage :)
[04:25] <jpatrick> last stage?
[04:26] <sml> it is connected. and the iwconfig shows good signal strength
[04:26] <sml> i think i set the essid correctly
[04:26] <sml> it is set as dhcp
[04:27] <sml> but when i try to enable the wlan in the network configuration menu .. it flashes green for a second, then back to red!
[04:28] <neofreko> sml: I can't even make wireless networking works here :(.. any tips?
[04:29] <sml> neofreko .. not sure what you mean ..?
[04:29] <neofreko> i'm tryinh to get wireless networking device works .. i'm new in this wirelss thingy ..
[04:30] <neofreko> got ipw2200 on Compaq Presario m2000 with Kubuntu here
[04:31] <sml> that should be easy!!! that is properly supported without ndiswrapper or linuxant!!
[04:36] <sml> neofreko .. surely you have googled on this one. what is the problem?
[04:36] <neofreko> i dunno ..I've foolowed the instructin on ubuntufroum
[04:37] <neofreko> I even installed ipw 1.0.x
[04:37] <neofreko> the best thing is, I don't even know where to start :p
[04:38] <neofreko> my intuition says I need to look at dmesg .. to look for some strange device
[05:15] <nikkia> sproingie: what did you do? go in and say '((paranethesis)(suck))(!))' ?
[05:15] <sproingie> naw, someone told me sbcl wouldn't install because of a kernel bug
[05:15] <sproingie> i said not bloody likely, everything else works on 32bit chroot
[05:15] <sproingie> i didn't realize this guy was an sbcl developer
[05:16] <nikkia> sproingie: iirc, its probably 'NX'
[05:17] <nikkia> iirc, sbcl is one of the lisps that compiles as it goes, so it'll need to be able to write to a code segment, unless its been patched for that
[05:17] <sproingie> nope
[05:18] <sproingie> it was a gratuitous ABI change that turned int3 from SIGTRAP to SIGSEGV
[05:18] <nikkia> ah
[05:18] <sproingie> i'm always amazed by how much cmucl and sbcl are like userland operating systems
[05:19] <sproingie> they go to the metal
[05:19] <nikkia> sproingie: its the lisp mindset, i spose
[05:19] <sproingie> which is funny since you'd think the opposite
[05:19] <sproingie> i guess not since the lisp machine
[05:20] <nikkia> on a 50 year old language? no i wouldn't really
[05:20] <sproingie> clisp is pretty damn portable tho
[05:20] <sproingie> of course it's written in C
[05:20] <sproingie> makes it kind of slow. still smokes perl, python, or java tho
[06:25] <Riggzy> Ack... just tried to print a webpage via Firefox and it closed without an error
[06:25] <Riggzy> (and didn't print)
[06:27] <Riggzy> Only happens on some sites
[06:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> Riggzy: go to the printer setup bit under file -> printer and check it's printing to a real printer
[06:30] <Riggzy> Kamping_Kaiser , it works on msot sites
[06:30] <Riggzy> jsut not this one site
[06:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, i know
[06:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> still check
[06:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> i seem to remember someone where i work with the same problem
[06:31] <Riggzy> Yep, Postscript/Deskjet5550
[06:32] <Riggzy> Nevermind, it's printed now (from another machine)
[06:39] <_ray> anybody know hoe to clear the location bar in konqueror...i cleared history but didn't work?
[06:45] <jpatrick> _ray: tried pressing the x button left of it?
[06:45] <_ray> jpatrick: yeah but it doesnt clear them all just the current one
[06:45] <jpatrick> oh
[06:46] <_ray> jpatrick: i mean its no big deal but i would like it if i could clear all the entries
[06:49] <jpatrick> I know
[06:53] <hans_> is there a program like daemon tools for kubuntu?
[06:54] <frank_> hans_: well you can mount iso by hand
[06:54] <_ray> anyone familiar with mencoder?
[06:54] <frank_> hans_: I don't know if there is a way to mount .nrg .ccd .whatever though
[06:54] <apokryphos> _ray: try clearing the cache too
[06:54] <_ray> jpatrick: i just cleared the history and cache again....and it worked
[06:55] <_ray> !find konverter
[06:55] <ubotu> Ubuntu Search of 'konverter' (1 shown): (/usr/share/icons/mono/scalable/apps/konverter.svgz) in universe/kde/kde-icons-mono.
[07:04] <jpatrick> holy...
[07:04] <jpatrick> Need to get 911MB of archives.
[07:05] <jpatrick> :O
[07:08] <jpatrick> i'm off
[07:10] <buz> can anyone recommend a scanner/printer/copier for linux with single ink cartridges?
[07:11] <nikkia> buz, something by epson
[07:11] <buz> how about canon
[07:11] <buz> ink for canon is dirt cheap
[07:11] <nikkia> lousy linux support from canon
[07:11] <buz> i half expected it
[07:11] <nikkia> unless you pay for turboprint, even then, its not ideal
[07:12] <buz> how about samsung?
[07:12] <buz> they got a rather sanely looking laser/scanner
[07:12] <nikkia> epson support linux fairly well, and gimpprint (now gutenprint) supports all the features
[07:12] <nikkia> dunno, i'd look thru the list of supported devices in gimpprint
[07:12] <buz> and sane for scanning?
[07:13] <nikkia> which is what you're going to want to use, since the native cups drivers are very old :)
[07:13] <buz> maybe i'll only get a small scanner
[07:13] <nikkia> yeah
[07:13] <buz> the laser still works, sort of
[07:13] <nikkia> i'd buy seperates, personally, all-in-ones are too much reliance on 'everything' working at once
[07:13] <buz> and i dont care much for inkjet anymore
[07:13] <buz> well it saves deskspace
[07:13] <nikkia> yeah, it does, but at a lot of prices
[07:13] <buz> as long as it bloody scans and does occasional copies, i'm good
[07:14] <_ray> i never cared for the all in ones
[07:14] <_ray> but they are space savers
[07:14] <buz> then again, i bought a brother one (including fax) for my father
[07:14] <buz> it wouldnt be so bad except for that fact that it mixes black with color ink :((((
[07:14] <buz> (it got black cartridge of course!)
[07:14] <buz> so brother is not on the list ;)
[07:15] <_ray> i still cant print to my upstairs printer in kde...i could i gnome
[07:16] <buz> mhh epson got a 100$ one
[07:16] <buz> lets see how consumables are priced
[07:16] <buz> (all others are >300$)
[07:17] <buz> is that some sort of bad joke. color cartridges and black both got 13ml ink. only the color cost half the price of the black one
[07:18] <nikkia> buz, which epson ?
[07:18] <buz> cx3650
[07:18] <nikkia> buz, i pay, umm, 1.95 for my colour carts, and 2.10 for my black carts
[07:18] <buz> where
[07:18] <nikkia> and yes, they're the same size, don't ask why black ink is more expensive
[07:18] <nikkia> buz, ebuyer
[07:18] <nikkia> for an R300
[07:18] <buz> i looked at inkclub
[07:18] <nikkia> (i wanted/needed CD/DVD printing
[07:18] <_ray> nikkia where are you from?
[07:18] <nikkia> ray, UK, why?
[07:19] <_ray> is that the symbol for pound?
[07:19] <nikkia> ray, yes
[07:19] <buz> yes
[07:19] <buz> that's cheap
[07:19] <_ray> ahh ....
[07:19] <nikkia> buz, i dunno...
[07:19] <_ray> how dose 1 pound compare to one dollar?
[07:19] <buz> about 1.5
[07:19] <nikkia> buz, my parents have an epson 3+1 printer, and they pay 2.95 for the colour and 1.75 for the black carts
[07:20] <buz> maybe 1.7
[07:20] <buz> heck, my GF pays 6? for her canon ink
[07:20] <_ray> cool
[07:20] <buz> and that's quite cheap already
[07:20] <nikkia> (3+1 = all colours in one cart, plus seperate black, just in case you didn't realise)
[07:20] <buz> HP crap is more like well 30?
[07:20] <nikkia> and they pay that... FROM THEIR LOCAL SUPERMARKET!
[07:20] <buz> yeah i wont buy that
[07:20] <_ray> i pay like $40 for ink
[07:20] <buz> http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=UFNTaG93UmVzdWx0cw%3D%3D fucking cheap
[07:20] <buz> i want that in switzerlan
[07:21] <nikkia> buz, what you have to realise, is that the UK is 'weird'
[07:21] <nikkia> printers seem to have become a national symbol of sorts
[07:21] <buz> i'm aware of that
[07:21] <buz> hu?
[07:21] <nikkia> i can walk into my parents town, and walk from the top of the town to the bottom, and pass 30+ shops that ONLY sell ink
[07:21] <buz> ok that is weird
[07:21] <buz> truly
[07:21] <nikkia> thats in about, umm, 2.5 miles
[07:21] <_ray> nikkia: that is weird
[07:22] <buz> how big is that town
[07:22] <nikkia> as i said to my mum 'what is this? the fucking printer capital of the world?'
[07:22] <_ray> nikkia: i have to drive 50+ miles to buy ink
[07:22] <buz> must be frontends for some sort of money laundering
[07:22] <nikkia> buz, 15,000 people? 8,000 in winter
[07:22] <buz> definitely something fishy with those shops then
[07:23] <nikkia> buz, the towns like that, in the 80s it was shoes
[07:23] <nikkia> in the 90s, it was CDs
[07:23] <nikkia> now its ink *shrug*
[07:23] <patrick__> hi
[07:23] <_ray> hello
[07:23] <nikkia> buz, even so, almost every town here will have a shop that sells only ink
[07:23] <patrick__> i need a sources.list that has any files for kde and gnome
[07:23] <nikkia> buz, and you can buy ink in most supermarkets, newsagents, and so on
[07:23] <patrick__> which sources do i have to add
[07:24] <buz> do you guys print your own wallpapers every day or what
[07:24] <_ray> patrick__: did you uncomment universe
[07:24] <nikkia> buz, i don't know, i can't understand who prints all this stuff
[07:24] <nikkia> buz, to give you an idea of the insanity
[07:25] <nikkia> the petrol station opposite me.. guess what...
[07:25] <nikkia> THEY SELL INK
[07:25] <buz> well that's not so bad
[07:25] <nikkia> they don't have carts for my printer, but still
[07:25] <buz> one of the ones here sell CDR
[07:25] <_ray> patrick__: i have universe multiverse and ubuntu backports....i could post my sourceslist in #flood if you want
[07:25] <buz> (of course no DVDR ;)
[07:25] <nikkia> buz, DVDs is becoming another hot item
[07:25] <buz> dvds or dvdr
[07:25] <nikkia> again, almost every shop i go in sells DVD-R/+R/+RW discs
[07:26] <buz> well they're cheap to stock
[07:26] <_ray> yeah ive had my dvd burner for like 2 months now and still havent bought any dvd's
[07:26] <nikkia> DVD recorders here are getting fairly popular tho
[07:26] <nikkia> i see more people buying +RW packs than i see buying VHS tapes
[07:26] <nikkia> (but then, +RW discs are cheaper than VHS)
[07:26] <_ray> vhs = dead
[07:26] <patrick__> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/976
[07:27] <_ray> patrick__: im gonna post mine there hold on
[07:27] <nikkia> i was a bit annoyed on monday
[07:28] <nikkia> wanted to pick up another 10 +RW discs, but the cheap place i bought the last lot had sold out, and didn't want to pay 1/disc
[07:28] <patrick__> nikkia, i only recommend to buy verbatim :)
[07:28] <patrick__> everything else is mostly crap
[07:28] <buz> i dont care for RW
[07:28] <nikkia> patrick__: i prefer philips and memorex
[07:28] <nikkia> buz, you don't own a dvd recorder, obviously :)
[07:28] <buz> after burning 200+ crap dvdr, i concur. buy namebrand
[07:28] <patrick__> ok philips is more expensiv than verbatim
[07:29] <nikkia> -R/+R is a pain for dvd recorders
[07:29] <patrick__> btw. litescribe is a cool feature :)
[07:29] <patrick__> ever seen that
[07:29] <patrick__> ?
[07:29] <buz> well if i could watch bbc, i'd perhaps buy a dvd recorder
[07:29] <buz> this way, dvdr writer is good enough
[07:29] <nikkia> patrick__: i normally pay around 50-75p per disc for philips
[07:30] <patrick__> what are "p"?
[07:30] <nikkia> patrick__: pence, 1/100th of a pound
[07:30] <patrick__> ok...
[07:30] <patrick__> euro <--> pount = 1: 1,5?
[07:30] <buz> something like that
[07:30] <patrick__> i just buyed dvd-mediums form verbatim for about 75cent
[07:31] <patrick__> only a few litescribes are more expensiv
[07:31] <nikkia> patrick__: which format?
[07:31] <patrick__> dvd
[07:31] <patrick__> +r
[07:31] <nikkia> i'm talking about +RW
[07:31] <patrick__> +rw
[07:31] <patrick__> 5x dl
[07:31] <patrick__> and 5 litescribe
[07:31] <patrick__> rw are not much, but a little cheaper here
[07:31] <patrick__> but i guess, we cant compare it...
[07:31] <patrick__> different taxes,etc.
[07:35] <Aapzak> hello people
[07:36] <patrick__> ray: are u still there
[07:36] <patrick__> ?
[07:36] <_ray> yup
[07:36] <patrick__> is ur sources.lst much different?
[07:36] <_ray> i posted it
[07:36] <_ray> where u did
[07:37] <patrick__> could u paste the link here too ;)
[07:38] <patrick__> ah...
[07:38] <_ray> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/977
[07:38] <patrick__> ok :)
[07:43] <patrick__> do i need the deb-src entrys
[07:44] <_ray> wouldnt hurt
[07:46] <patrick__> ah... universe debs from ubuntu doesnt list kde updates
[07:46] <patrick__> their versions are still 3.4.0
[07:46] <aseigo> Riddell: pingy?
[07:46] <patrick__> which string has to be added so that it always displays the latest?
[07:46] <_ray> the latest kde?
[07:46] <patrick__> ya
[07:46] <_ray> did you even look at my sources
[07:47] <_ray> you already had universe
[07:47] <patrick__> deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342 hoary-updates main <--?
[07:47] <patrick__> ok
[07:47] <_ray> there ya go
[07:47] <patrick__> if i write deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main
[07:47] <buz> nikkia: how about ink drying with epson? lexmark is notorious for htat
[07:47] <patrick__> will it always list the latest?
[07:48] <_ray> i dont know...i think it changes from hoary-kde342 to hoary343 etc
[07:48] <patrick__> so i always will have to modify that string?
[07:48] <_ray> how hard is it?
[07:49] <_ray> the releases last a while
[07:49] <patrick__> not hard, but thats less comfortable
[07:49] <patrick__> ;)
[07:49] <patrick__> i am a lazy guy
[07:49] <_ray> well..... its worth getting 3.4.2
[07:50] <patrick__> well now i need sources for k-office and openoffice 2 beta
[07:51] <patrick__> the lastest releases ;)
[07:51] <_ray> k-office is in my list and openoffice2 is in universe
[07:51] <_ray> patrick__: its all on the kubuntu site
[07:52] <_donofrio> so does anyone know ghow to get kdesu to do what sudo does from cmdline in kde?
[07:53] <_ray> _donofrio: yeah just type it in the same
[07:53] <patrick__> in universe is a damned old version
[07:53] <_ray> of OOo
[07:53] <_donofrio> what sudo run's standalone from konsole?
[07:53] <patrick__> sudo -s
[07:54] <_ray> patrick__: openoffice2 is old?
[07:54] <buz> current oo2: ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org/devel/680
[07:54] <_ray> buz thank you
[07:54] <patrick__> the version which is listed here...
[07:55] <Riddell> aseigo: hi
[07:55] <patrick__> 1.9.79.9 is about an half year now
[07:55] <patrick__> the latest is about 1xx now
[07:55] <_donofrio> "sudo -s synaptic" didn't run
[07:55] <aseigo> Riddell: hey guy =))
[07:55] <buz> 122
[07:55] <buz> or so
[07:55] <_ray> u ever think to download it from the site?
[07:56] <aseigo> Riddell: i was actually wondering if you have a collection of kubuntu patches for easy download anywhere?
[07:56] <buz> site got rpm
[07:56] <buz> which is somewhat painful
[07:56] <patrick__> thats less comfortable again, _ray ;)
[07:56] <buz> alien is a pain
[07:56] <buz> and rpm2cpio isnt for noobs
[07:56] <_ray> yeah i huess
[07:56] <_ray> *guess
[07:56] <buz> (i used to go the rpm2cpio route but the debs are just plain more convenient)
[07:57] <buz> (of course, one giant deb would be easier still)
[07:57] <_donofrio> how do I run sudo=kdesu? sudo -s returns nothing
[07:57] <_ray> buz that link that you posted has debs
[07:57] <buz> i know
[07:57] <buz> thats why i posted it
[07:57] <buz> _donofrio: what do you want to do
[07:57] <_ray> patrick wasnt paying attention
[07:57] <_donofrio> run synaptic from the kde run line using kdesu like sudo ablity?
[07:58] <buz> kdesu synaptic works for me on the command line
[07:58] <_ray> _donofrio: your not making any sense
[07:58] <Aapzak> has anyone here ever played vendetta-online?
[07:58] <_donofrio> kicker/run/kdesu synaptic = dosn't work?
[07:58] <_ray> Aapzak: is it free
[07:58] <Aapzak> half :)
[07:58] <Aapzak> you can use the trail
[07:58] <_ray> Aapzak: half?
[07:59] <patrick__> _ray, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OpenOffice2Beta?highlight=%28openoffice%29 <-- it would be much easier and faster if there were a deb xyz oo2 :)
[07:59] <_ray> patrick__: buz gave you the link
[08:00] <patrick__> where?
[08:00] <Aapzak> I'm looking for games on linux which will keep me from booting to windows. Now I boot to Windows for Battlefield2 and Counterstrike source
[08:01] <patrick__> xchat colorsetting doesnt highlight links :/
[08:01] <_ray> Aapzak: have you tried enemy-territory
[08:01] <_donofrio> repository request - guarddog?
[08:01] <_ray> Aapzak: have you tried enemy-territory
[08:01] <_ray> oops
[08:01] <Aapzak> you wanted me to try thatone, right
[08:01] <Aapzak> I will
[08:02] <Aapzak> I've played an unreal I think?
[08:02] <_ray> do it..that game is full and free and cool
[08:02] <_ray> also americas army
[08:02] <Aapzak> I have thatone
[08:02] <patrick__> ah... found
[08:02] <patrick__> thx
[08:02] <Aapzak> have you played BF2?
[08:02] <Aapzak> it's amazing
[08:02] <_ray> yeah i dont like aa as much because you cant respawn
[08:02] <Aapzak> yeah
[08:02] <_ray> BF2 whats that?
[08:03] <Aapzak> battlefield2
[08:03] <Riddell> aseigo: there's the packaging patches at http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/patches/
[08:03] <_ray> i dont like to pay for games
[08:03] <Aapzak> who said I payd?
[08:03] <Aapzak> paid
[08:03] <Riddell> aseigo: mostly the best thing is to get the source packages and look in debian/patches
[08:03] <aseigo> Riddell: thanks man =)
[08:03] <_ray> well its not free is it?
[08:03] <aseigo> _donofrio: you catching this? =)
[08:03] <Aapzak> correct, I consider it as a trail
[08:03] <Aapzak> trial
[08:04] <Aapzak> see if it works on my old hardware
[08:04] <_donofrio> I'm here
[08:04] <Riddell> aseigo: does your konqueror use a non-standard .rc file? and do you find it looses that on session reload?
[08:04] <patrick__> can simply write deb ftp://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org/devel/680/ ??
[08:04] <Aapzak> I might buy it if I like it
[08:04] <_ray> ok im out
[08:05] <jatos> hi
[08:05] <aseigo> Riddell: yes and no
[08:05] <aseigo> Riddell: oh, wait, is this kubuntu specific?
[08:05] <jatos> I am still having loads of fumn with samba
[08:07] <Riddell> aseigo: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109493
[08:07] <Riddell> no, don't think it's kubuntu specific
[08:07] <aseigo> ok.. then no i don't see that
[08:07] <aseigo> on my kubuntu boxes i don't tweak the konqi rc
[08:07] <aseigo> on my devel systems i certainly do
[08:08] <Riddell> aseigo: do you edit konqueror.rc or use a different filename?
[08:08] <aseigo> hum.. that's an interesting bug
[08:08] <aseigo> hm.. yeah, i edit konqueror.rc come to think of it
[08:09] <Riddell> so if you keep konqueror.rc the same and point your profile at a different .rc file you might be able to confirm or not that beastie :)
[08:10] <aseigo> Riddell: i'll keep a browser open to that bug so i remember to do so
[08:11] <_donofrio> Riddell - do you have patches for kdesu?
[08:11] <_donofrio> does anyone know where I can get guarddog for this distro?
[08:12] <jatos> get a version of the app for debian 3.2 donofrio
[08:12] <Riddell> _donofrio: guarddog is in universe
[08:12] <_donofrio> universe...humm...
[08:12] <Riddell> _donofrio: the kdesu patch is in kdelibs and kdebase packages and attached to the report on bugs.kde.org
[08:15] <apokryphos> aseigo: just wondering, any thoughts on Ettrich's blog post? Congrats, by the way; great stuff :).
[08:15] <aseigo> apokryphos: he and i agree on many things =)
[08:15] <_donofrio> what respoitory is universe?
[08:15] <aseigo> apokryphos: single click isn't one of them, but in general we've got a lot of the same directional desires for kde
[08:15] <aseigo> apokryphos: i certainly agree with him and konqueror's lack of direction atm...
[08:16] <apokryphos> I found the Konqueror buiness a little shaky, but it wasn't really suggested which way to actually go, so I'm still kinda open with my thoughts.
[08:16] <aseigo> apokryphos: we need a coordinated team that takes konqi into three different, but mutually supportive, directions:
[08:16] <aseigo> web browser, file manager and document viewer
[08:16] <apokryphos> right
[08:17] <apokryphos> Do you think this will result in a complete demarcation of them, though?
[08:17] <aseigo> it's all about using kparts, xmlgui, etc. properly not randomly
[08:17] <aseigo> we've used it somewhat randomly and the fact that it's worked out as well as it has is a huge testiment to it
[08:17] <aseigo> but.. yeah.. it's time to do it less randomly ;)
[08:18] <apokryphos> aseigo: where would, i.e. FTP manager go? In which section?
[08:18] <aseigo> apokryphos: that's file management, isn't it?
[08:18] <apokryphos> I guess that's more a relevant question if an actual split happens
[08:19] <apokryphos> It is, but it would likely be a bit annoying if you had to follow an FTP link and your file manager fires up :|
[08:19] <_donofrio> where is this 'universe?'
[08:20] <apokryphos> _donofrio: it's a repository. Uncomment the line with universe in /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:20] <apokryphos> aseigo: why do you disagree with single-click behavior, by the way? Some points raised earlier for why it doesn't *currently* work, but that aside...
[08:21] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell _donofrio about repositories
[08:21] <_donofrio> no mc ):
[08:21] <apokryphos> more information there
[08:21] <aseigo> apokryphos: no, i'm in support of single click
[08:21] <aseigo> apokryphos: it's vastly superior in every way except icon selection
[08:21] <apokryphos> Yup, that was mentioned earlier. And what about things such as "Apply" as well as an "Ok"
[08:22] <apokryphos> that's a strong point that gnome seem to hold to these days; "instant activation". They're right, I think; that's how we associate the metaphor.
[08:22] <apokryphos> Though, the whole idea of the target audience for KDE et al. is a lot bigger than my little mind; still fun to think about, though :P
[08:22] <edrex> how hard would it be to get rid of ok/apply?
[08:22] <_donofrio> so is universe require -src?
[08:22] <aseigo> there's a problem with instant activation
[08:22] <Almindor> a touchy question: why is ubuntu/kubuntu not among the ones in DCCA?
[08:22] <aseigo> you can't use it everywhere
[08:22] <edrex> one dialog at a time probably
[08:23] <aseigo> so it's the old problem:
[08:23] <Riddell> aseigo: DCCA?
[08:23] <Almindor> Debian Common Core Association
[08:23] <aseigo> we have a better way of doing something, but we can only do it some times.. other times we have to use a different method
[08:23] <aseigo> consistency or easy of use?
[08:23] <apokryphos> that's a good point
[08:23] <aseigo> personally, i fault on the side of consistency
[08:24] <aseigo> ok/apply isn't that horrendous
[08:24] <apokryphos> Another advantage is that it's good for Windows refugees
[08:24] <edrex> mac seems to only use apply for critical changes (network etc)
[08:25] <_donofrio> nice thanks folks
[08:25] <edrex> kde suffers primarily from clutter
[08:25] <edrex> that's the big "oops"
[08:25] <alex11> the debian unstable in ubuntu is Breezy ?
[08:25] <Almindor> IMHO KDE is a bit unstable
[08:26] <apokryphos> I really don't think it's that cluttered :Z. Some apps are; as was mentioned before, too many toolbars; i.e. Quanta+
[08:26] <Riddell> alex11: breezy is a lot more unstable than unstable
[08:26] <edrex> so a push needs to be made towards simplicity
[08:26] <Almindor> I got 2-3 konqueror crashes a day, kicked got fixed in 3.4.1 and Klipper is hitty
[08:26] <Riddell> Almindor: they never asked me to join :)
[08:26] <Almindor> Riddell, it's your distro?
[08:26] <alex11> Riddell, but can i install only some package from it ?
[08:26] <Almindor> *kicker, shitty :D
[08:26] <aseigo> alex11: Riddell is the kubuntumeister =)
[08:26] <apokryphos> alex11: generally, no. They'll rely on other breezy stuff
[08:27] <apokryphos> Riddell: great interview by the way :)
[08:27] <alex11> eb http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted universe multiverse
[08:27] <alex11> i add this
[08:27] <alex11> so i can install both
[08:27] <alex11> package from warty and breezy ?
[08:28] <apokryphos> Riddell: didn't see a mention of haggai and amu though, as developers. Are they staying with the project for breezy?
[08:28] <apokryphos> alex11: as I said, a lot of the time that can cause many problems, as the apps may rely on other breezy stuff. Bad idea; best is to just wait
[08:29] <apokryphos> Was really happy to find out that Canonical are more appropriately supporting Kubuntu; great stuff. :)
[08:31] <ztonzy> apokryphos: evening
[08:32] <apokryphos> ztonzy: hey, how's it going?
[08:32] <ztonzy> just relaxing, tiring week
[08:32] <_donofrio> so many linux's - still confused as to what is 'the best' one, for home/work/server/low harddrive size (knoppix, pclinuxos, mephix, ubuntu......going crazy - must pick one)
[08:32] <Riddell> apokryphos: amu has a new job and haggai is busy with credativ (and openoffice)
[08:33] <Riddell> _donofrio: kubuntu of course :)
[08:33] <apokryphos> ztonzy: cool :)
[08:33] <ztonzy> Riddell: how come konqueror crashes so often in Kubuntu, or is just some users that experience it ?
[08:33] <ztonzy> apokryphos: :)
[08:33] <patrick__> how was the packetmanagement tool for deb files called?
[08:33] <patrick__> dpkg?
[08:34] <apokryphos> Riddell: a lot more work for you, I'm sure. We all really appreciate the efforts =)
[08:34] <ztonzy> apokryphos: have gotten up at 04.30 or 05.00 each morning the 2 weeks behind me...
[08:34] <Riddell> ztonzy: I get very few crashes with konqueror
[08:34] <Riddell> apokryphos: welcome :)
[08:34] <ztonzy> Riddell: I did get itvery often
[08:34] <ztonzy> it*
[08:35] <Riddell> ztonzy: anything seem to trigger it?
[08:35] <apokryphos> There's quite a lot of users in here who seem to complain of Konqueror crashes. Mine basically never crashes, so it's weird.
[08:35] <ztonzy> Riddell: trying to recall, both web/file browsing...
[08:36] <ztonzy> sometimes when I tried to save files...(I think)
[08:36] <ztonzy> I thought 3.4.2 should have fixed it...but no
[08:36] <ztonzy> and also, flash seemed to slow down konqueror quite a lot
[08:37] <ztonzy> though it could have been that cpu set to plugins were set to lowest...but I dont know
[08:37] <apokryphos> ztonzy: you had the same problem when setting it to highest, though, remember?
[08:37] <ztonzy> apokryphos: yes...
[08:38] <ztonzy> I know, that's why I am uncertain
[08:38] <patrick__> how can i install tar.gz files?
[08:39] <ztonzy> Riddell: something about libthread....dunno exact what it was...and the info was *very little*
[08:41] <Riddell> ztonzy: in hoary?
[08:41] <ztonzy> Riddell: yes
[08:41] <Riddell> hmm
[08:42] <_donofrio> does kubuntu upgrade though time....I looked at the OOo script and it felt like we were backt o complieing again??
[08:42] <c0rrupt_> does kubuntu come with drivers for xfree85 i810
[08:43] <c0rrupt_> 86*
[08:43] <c0rrupt_> i have an intel extreme on board 82845 brookdale-G vid card
[08:44] <Riddell> _donofrio: releases are every 6 months, you can use a development release (but not recommended just now)
[08:45] <c0rrupt_> lil help
[08:49] <_donofrio> do we have alow of plugin's for firefox?
[08:53] <_donofrio> what is the hardware detect script called
[08:54] <_donofrio> in pclos its hwdetect
[08:59] <_donofrio> no realplayer?
[08:59] <_donofrio> even in universe?
[09:07] <Soyburg> hello. I am here on knoppix, becaus I am getting an error on a forced file system check on boot. the error is bad or dual block in use. any ideas what I could do to disable that file system check or what I could do to boot into kubuntu again?
[09:08] <Soyburg> I had a suse 9.1 disk and did a ext3 fsck which said the file system was fine.
[09:09] <Soyburg> prior to the error, I had to switch of the computer, because it was frozen and the keyboard did not respond anymore.
[09:10] <gsuveg> re
[09:11] <Soyburg> any kind of suggestion is highly appreciated. especially suggestions as "go to #ubuntu or #debian because this is not kubuntu specific" or even "your hard disk's wasted man".
[09:13] <marsh> hi
[09:13] <aseigo> Soyburg: hum... and you checked all the filesystems using the suse disk?
[09:13] <_donofrio> no realplayer, no shockwave player? whatabout an afs-client?
[09:14] <Soyburg> well, here's the thing. it offered me to check hde1 and hdf1, but I am almost sure that I have kubuntu on my primary harddisk.
[09:14] <marsh> I'm having a mission trying to write a one line script using 'for a in *', the variable 'a' is ending up with a start in instead of the dir contents... anyone know why?
[09:14] <Soyburg> which would be something like hdc1?
[09:14] <Soyburg> don't tell me I just checked my cd drive?
[09:21] <Soyburg> When my root partition shows up in knoppix as hda1, is it the same in kubunut?
[09:21] <PieD> Soyburg: yes
[09:21] <Soyburg> ooops. kubuntu I meant.
[09:21] <Soyburg> thanks.
[09:22] <Soyburg> Alright thanks aseigo and PieD, I'll have to reboot then.
[09:23] <_donofrio> how do I play macromedia content in this distro?
[09:23] <PieD> flash files ?
[09:23] <aseigo> you have to download the plugin your self
[09:23] <PieD> or some other macromedia formats ?
[09:23] <_donofrio> I've got the plugin from synaptic but it doesn't seem to be working?
[09:24] <PieD> perhaps it isn't installed in a folder known by konqueror
[09:24] <_donofrio> but I unsed synpatic? (hate to sound like a noob....)
[09:25] <PieD> _donofrio: kubuntu isn't perfect
[09:25] <_donofrio> I know...
[09:26] <_donofrio> its cool....just wanna get shuttle video and homestarrunner clips
[09:26] <PieD> can you give me the folder where synaptic installed the files ?
[09:26] <PieD> (it's in the properties of the package)
[09:26] <_donofrio> a moment
[09:26] <PieD> what did you install ?
[09:26] <equex> can anyone tell me why my keyboard is skipping keys and locking up and the scroll lock key is flashing ? its getting annoying :/
[09:26] <PieD> flashplayer-mozilla ?
[09:27] <PieD> flashplayer-nonfree ?
[09:27] <PieD> equex: it looks like my previous keyboard, when it burned
[09:27] <_donofrio> yes
[09:27] <equex> haha
[09:27] <PieD> _donofrio: you installed both ?
[09:28] <_donofrio> no do not see the nonfree
[09:28] <PieD> _donofrio: no problem
[09:28] <PieD> flashplayer-mozilla must be enough
[09:28] <PieD> please wait while I download and install it
[09:28] <PieD> (I'm against flash, so I don't use it)
[09:29] <nocloud> does anybody know if kubuntu supports the intel 915 chipset?
[09:30] <crimsun> it sure does.
[09:30] <nocloud> how about intel 2200B/G wireless?
[09:30] <PieD> intel 2200 ? hmm
[09:31] <nocloud> i'm thinking about installed kubuntu on a laptop....
[09:31] <PieD> it is supported
[09:31] <PieD> i915 chipset : video chipset ?
[09:31] <nocloud> no, just northbridge
[09:31] <nocloud> i have x300 video chipset
[09:31] <PieD> _donofrio: I suppose you're using konqueror ?
[09:32] <PieD> in konqueror :
[09:32] <PieD> configuration > configure konqueror
[09:32] <_donofrio> yep
[09:32] <nocloud> does kubuntu work with the radeon x300?
[09:32] <PieD> tab "external plugins" (not sure for the name... I'm using it in french)
[09:33] <PieD> check the folder list : is /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ listed ?
[09:34] <_donofrio> ok one moment
[09:34] <PieD> nocloud: it'll work, but for the 3D support I don't know
[09:34] <_donofrio> yes
[09:35] <PieD> yes it'll work with 3D (perhaps you'll have to manually install additionnal drivers, I don't know)
[09:36] <nocloud> okay, but with the x300, i can at least get it running okay right?
[09:36] <nocloud> in 2d
[09:36] <PieD> sure 2d will work
[09:37] <nocloud> allright, now, this laptop screen has a native resolution of 1680x1050, will that work in kubuntu?
[09:38] <PieD> yes, it will
[09:38] <PieD> but I don't know if it'll work at the installation of the distro
[09:39] <PieD> if that resolution isn't proposed by the installer, you'll have to edit one configuration file (nothing hard, and we'll be here to help you)
[09:39] <nocloud> allright :)
[09:39] <nocloud> is the kubuntu setup the same as the ubuntu setup?
[09:41] <PieD> totally the same
[09:41] <PieD> only one difference : the installed packages
[09:41] <PieD> ubuntu will install gtk and gnome applications (+ gnome desktop off course)
[09:41] <PieD> while kubuntu will install Qt and KDE applications (+ KDE)
[09:42] <nocloud> so the only difference is the desktop applications?
[09:43] <_donofrio> Quicktime?
[09:43] <PieD> _donofrio: you want to view quicktime videos in webpages ?
[09:43] <PieD> nocloud: yes
[09:44] <nocloud> is there any reason i should use one over the other (ubuntu and kubuntu)
[09:44] <PieD> nocloud: that's your choice
[09:44] <PieD> if you prefer a fully featured desktop with integration and great applications, choose KDE
[09:44] <PieD> if you prefer something where all settings are hidden in an obscure registry-like tool, choose Gnome
[09:45] <PieD> (I forgot to mention : I love KDE while I don't really like Gnome)
[09:45] <_donofrio> yes I can view them just no sound and a qtmlclient.dll error? (with bling sound)
[09:45] <Ju1ce> I hate Gnome. Get KDE.
[09:46] <PieD> _donofrio: I never tried videos from within a webpage
[09:46] <nocloud> somebody told me "kubuntu is relitively new and not main stream with ubuntu"
[09:46] <PieD> not main stream ?
[09:46] <nocloud> does that mean it is less stable or something?
[09:46] <PieD> what does that mean ?
[09:46] <PieD> it's not less stable
[09:46] <_donofrio> I've got kde (but in synpatic I still get frontend error complaining about no gnome)
[09:46] <PieD> it's new
[09:46] <_donofrio> PieD - try apple.com/quicktime they have a huge qt trailers page
[09:47] <PieD> _donofrio: I don't have such codecs installed
[09:47] <PieD> and that's a serious download !
[09:47] <PieD> I think somebody else can help you
[09:47] <nocloud> is there an enterprise edition of kubuntu?
[09:50] <nocloud> ?
[09:50] <crimsun> what would an "enterprise" edition entail?
[09:51] <nocloud> well, i saw something on the ubuntu site about enterprise edition....
[09:51] <nocloud> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/releases/document_view
[09:51] <nocloud> so i was wondering if there was a kubuntu equivalent
[09:52] <crimsun> not that I know of.
[09:52] <crimsun> Kubuntu is community-sourced and supported.
[09:52] <nocloud> allright
[09:53] <zxc> lol
[09:53] <crimsun> I suppose if he's willing to front the $, allowances could be made...
[09:54] <crimsun> I'm going to take a wild stab that as a university student, he's not going to do that.
[09:55] <gdh> crimsun: No, but if there was an ent edition, then he could warez it :)
[09:56] <crimsun> yeah, I imagine that would entail ftping into CC.archive.ubuntu.com and grabbing the enterprise iso :)
[09:56] <crimsun> well, kubuntu.org or ubuntu.com's mirrors.
[09:57] <nocloud> will kubuntu work well on a laptop?
[09:58] <nocloud> like will it be able to take advantage of the power saving features of the pentiun-M cpu?
[09:58] <Bubbling_Zombie> nocloud , it did on mine
[09:58] <Ju1ce> yes it'll.
[09:58] <Bubbling_Zombie> ah, no experience with pentium processors, sorry
[09:58] <charlie> how do i get kdevelop?
[09:59] <nocloud> Ju1ce, were you able to get speedstep working on your laptop?
[09:59] <charlie> with kynabtic?
[09:59] <Ju1ce> charlie: sudo apt-get install kdevelop3
[09:59] <Bubbling_Zombie> search for it charlie ? or perhaps enable the universe rep?
[10:00] <charlie> i cant find develop in kynaptic
[10:00] <Ju1ce> add repos.
[10:00] <charlie> how?
[10:01] <Ju1ce> edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:01] <Ju1ce> ubuntuguide.org has more info
[10:01] <Ju1ce> I've choosen KUbuntu (version 5.04) because it does most of the dirty work (speedstep, ease of use, latest kde, laptop mode). It has detected and configured automatically the lcd screen resolution.
[10:01] <Ju1ce> http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:m4iQ7XM8QbMJ:perso.wanadoo.es/jtur/BenqJB7000/BenqJB7000_linux.html+Pentium+m+speedstep+kubuntu&hl=fi&client=firefox-a
[10:02] <Ju1ce> according to that it will.
[10:05] <_donofrio> what is the hardware detection script called...I wanna ghost my install
[10:06] <nocloud> what linux kernel version does kubuntu 5.04 use?
[10:06] <crimsun> 2.6.10
[10:09] <nocloud> anybody know a good site with information about customizing the look of KDE?
[10:10] <spiral> nocloud: kde-look.org ? :-)
[10:10] <nocloud> exactly what i was looking for, thanks :)
[10:12] <_donofrio> does the ppc version have MOL?
[10:13] <nocloud> anyone know of a good linux irc client?
[10:13] <_donofrio> Konversation rocks
[10:13] <Ju1ce> irssi or xchat
[10:14] <Ju1ce> and konversation isn't bad either.
[10:16] <ztonzy> apokryphos: hey, you awake ?
[10:17] <nocloud> what debian version corresponds with kubuntu 5.04?
[10:17] <crimsun> none
[10:17] <crimsun> Kubuntu 5.04 corresponds with Ubuntu 5.04
[10:18] <crimsun> that places them squarely between Sarge and Etch/Sid
[10:18] <nocloud> isn't ubuntu built on debian though?
[10:18] <Soyburg> thanks for your thoughts aseigo. I went back to experiment with the SuSE CD and found that the expert mode didn't find the dual block on the ext3 file system, but the I'm-stupid mode did. It couldn't fix it however but listed the two files in question. which I deleted with knoppix. So I am online with kubuntu once more. Thanks for your thoughts.
[10:19] <nocloud> anyways, anybody know of good icq/aim/msn/yahoo clients for kubuntu?
[10:19] <_donofrio> kopete rocks
[10:19] <Ju1ce> gaim?
[10:19] <Soyburg> yeah, that's what I've heard. I don't do instant messaging though.
[10:20] <hater2sleep> i hate kopete
[10:20] <hater2sleep> gaim2win
[10:21] <nocloud> allright folks, off to install kubuntu, wish me luck!
[10:21] <Soyburg> good luck nocloud :)
[10:21] <PieD> good installation
[10:21] <PieD> (no luck needed, just a bit of time)
[10:21] <Soyburg> (and the connection data for your ISP)
[10:22] <hater2win> (and... uhh... something else)
[10:22] <jatos1> hi
[10:22] <Soyburg> (like a beer and a good cd?)
[10:22] <hater2win> (lol)
[10:22] <jatos1> anyone here got experience with swat, the samba config thingy
[10:22] <Soyburg> (why are we whispering anyway?)
[10:23] <hater2win> (i dont know, because we want to subtly add things to the list of things needed to add to kubuntu?)
[10:23] <Soyburg> (maybe).
[10:23] <hater2win> (maybe...)
[10:23] <PieD> hater2win: gaim sux
[10:23] <hater2win> gaim2win
[10:23] <PieD> because it's using gtk
[10:23] <Soyburg> Does anyone know where I can find the image with the lightning, that kdm displays when I want to reboot my machine?
[10:24] <jatos1> tell me about PieD...
[10:24] <PieD> and that's why kopete rox : it's using Qt :)
[10:24] <hater2win> lol
[10:24] <jatos1> I only use it because I can't get kopete to work
[10:24] <hater2win> the only reason im using kopete right now, is because im still n00b and can't figure out how to install the newest version of game
[10:24] <PieD> kopete works far better than gaim for me
[10:25] <PieD> perhaps because I don't use horrible networks like msn or aim
[10:25] <jatos1> when I use kopete it refuses my pw for some reason I cannot fathom
[10:25] <Soyburg> Alright. I found the image. Didn't find it before. No worries.
[10:26] <hater2win> sorry Soyburg had no idea what you were talking about (new to kubu)
[10:26] <PieD> jatos1: did you update your kubuntu recently ?
[10:26] <PieD> msn broke something about that
[10:26] <jatos1> I would love to give the finger the gaim, especially after a conversation I had in its irc roo,
[10:26] <jatos1> no pied
[10:26] <PieD> and there is an update to fix it
[10:26] <PieD> you must use an UPTODATE system
[10:26] <_donofrio> smp <=> kubuntu ??
[10:26] <jatos1> whats the command to get the update?
[10:27] <PieD> even if it is linux, it must be uptodate !
[10:27] <PieD> jatos1: you can either use kynaptic
[10:27] <PieD> either do :
[10:27] <PieD> sudo apt-get update
[10:27] <PieD> and then
[10:27] <PieD> sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:27] <jatos1> ah
[10:27] <jatos1> let me just switch SSH windows...
[10:28] <jatos1> upgrade started
[10:29] <hater2win> so, can i use that to update my gaim pied (though you hate gaim)?
[10:29] <jatos1> I think I am about to get a mix between debian and sarge and kubuntu on my pc
[10:29] <PieD> a new version of gaim won't be available in the official kubuntu upgrade
[10:29] <PieD> but I think you'll find one in the backports
[10:30] <Soyburg> what exactly is a backport?
[10:30] <hater2win> yes, what is a backport
[10:30] <PieD> that's simple:
[10:30] <jatos1> btw, hater2win I am on windows 98 atm...
[10:30] <Soyburg> gosh I bet it's in the FAQs
[10:30] <PieD> ubuntu and kubuntu are following a release system
[10:31] <jatos1> ssh'd into my kubuntu box
[10:31] <PieD> unlike some others distributions like gentoo which are branch based and where new releases of softwares appears in the updates
[10:31] <Soyburg> ok, I'm with you so far.
[10:31] <PieD> one ubuntu releases has frozen software version
[10:32] <PieD> a backport is bringing a new release of a software to an ubuntu release from the ubuntu development release
[10:32] <Soyburg> unless there are vulnerabilities discovered, I take it?
[10:32] <lippel> hmm, is there an (preferably elegant) way to add a "custom" entry to kdm? i want to use my own .xsession once in a while
[10:32] <jatos1> how do I install a package?
[10:32] <PieD> even if vulenaribilities are discovered
[10:32] <Soyburg> oh indeed?
[10:32] <jatos1> *uninstall
[10:32] <PieD> if a vulnerability is discovered, they create a patch
[10:32] <PieD> apply it to their version
[10:32] <Soyburg> alright.
[10:32] <Soyburg> got it.
[10:32] <PieD> but don't upgrade
[10:33] <Soyburg> sounds reasonable.
[10:33] <PieD> that's why ubuntu is "still" using firefox ""1.0.2""
[10:33] <PieD> while it is as secure and uptodate as firefox 1.0.6
[10:34] <Soyburg> so how can one (in this cas me) get his dirty hands on backports?
[10:34] <Soyburg> case even
[10:34] <PieD> do you know what apt sources are ?
[10:34] <Soyburg> yes, I added some to me sources list.
[10:35] <PieD> the backports are only some sources to add
[10:35] <Ju1ce> repos have ancient software, that's why I compile & install most of the program from sources
[10:35] <PieD> here are the sources I'm using for the backports :
[10:35] <Soyburg> so I would only have to find the right URLs to have a magic wonderland full of new versions before my feet?
[10:35] <PieD> deb http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[10:35] <PieD> deb http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports/ hoary-backports-staging main universe multiverse restricted
[10:35] <PieD> deb http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[10:35] <PieD> deb http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports/ hoary-extras-staging main universe multiverse restricted
[10:36] <PieD> Ju1ce: then I suggest you to switch to breezy
[10:36] <PieD> and help people stabilizing it
[10:36] <PieD> (I forgot how tiring it was to help people :)
[10:36] <hater2win> lol
[10:36] <jatos1> I don't about everyone else but I have added the debian sarge repos to my sources.list
[10:37] <hater2win> i still dont get wtf respositories are
[10:37] <PieD> jatos1: then you've got a mix of ubuntu + debian
[10:37] <Soyburg> thanks a lot PieD, your effort (however tiring) is very much appreciated. Thank you very much.
[10:37] <jatos1> repositories are servers where applications are stored
[10:37] <jatos1> lol, I have pied
[10:37] <PieD> Soyburg: I'm doing that because I don't want people to do what I did when I didn't have internet...
[10:38] <Soyburg> when was that? or rather how long ago was that?
[10:38] <Ju1ce> bang your head against the wall?
[10:38] <PieD> 5 years ago
[10:38] <Soyburg> right.
[10:38] <_shawn> how buggy is breezy right now? I'm thinking of making the jump.
[10:38] <Soyburg> what did you do then?
[10:38] <PieD> I exploded about 4 mandrake installations :p
[10:38] <PieD> _shawn: I don't know
[10:38] <Soyburg> lol
[10:38] <hater2win> lol
[10:38] <PieD> on #ubuntu, the topic says it's still broken
[10:39] <jatos1> will the entry for debian sarge in sources.list affect my upgrade when it comes to kubuntu-desktop?
[10:39] <Soyburg> literally? as in using explosives?
[10:39] <_shawn> anyone using breezy?
[10:39] <PieD> Soyburg: no explosives :)
[10:39] <Soyburg> ahhh... ok :)))
[10:39] <PieD> but I broke this really quickly
[10:39] <PieD> I discovered that :
[10:39] <PieD> 1- root isn't to be used always
[10:39] <hater2win> so, i know that i have to add repositories using synaptic. but how do i know where to get repositories
[10:40] <PieD> 2- when you write a program, you can delete code to understand what it was doing
[10:40] <PieD> when you try to understand a system, don't delete files to understand what they're doing
[10:40] <hater2win> lol
[10:40] <jatos1> just stick the default hater2win unless you specifically wnat to add a repos
[10:40] <Soyburg> hater2win: the unofficial ubuntu guide has some. and then there are the backport links provided (so kindly) by PieD
[10:41] <PieD> my sources are being quite big because of the KDE and Koffice releases
[10:41] <jatos1> in which case the site for the repos will probably having instructions for adding the repos
[10:41] <Soyburg> PieD: I had some success in getting wine to work that way :)))
[10:41] <PieD> I've got KDE 3.4.2, KOffice 1.4.1...
[10:42] <hater2win> so, the default repositories contain updates for what type of programs?
[10:42] <Soyburg> for the ones which came on the cd I think.
[10:42] <hater2win> oh i see
[10:42] <PieD> Soyburg: the official packages only
[10:42] <PieD> the packages on the CD + the packages in the main repository
[10:43] <hater2win> so is it ok for me to open up synaptic and check all the boxes?
[10:43] <PieD> the universe, restricted and multiverse repositories are different
[10:43] <Soyburg> is "the official packages" a superset of the packages on the cd?
[10:43] <PieD> hater2win: yes !
[10:43] <Soyburg> ah ok.
[10:43] <jatos1> if you want more apps to be availabe you can either add the universe repos like most people do or you can do what I do and add the debian sarge repository
[10:43] <hater2win> i see i see
[10:44] <hater2win> now, is anybody willing to explain what universe, restricted, and multiverse repositories are
[10:44] <jatos1> I doubt whether my strategy of adding debian sarge repos is recommended? What would you say piued
[10:44] <jatos1> places where there are extra programs to download and install
[10:45] <jatos1> less support fir universe
[10:45] <_shawn> to change to breezy do I just cange hoary to breezy in my sources.list?
[10:45] <jatos1> restricted is where there are less apps btw
[10:45] <_shawn> *change
[10:46] <Soyburg> hater2win: http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#extrarepositories
[10:46] <hater2win> ty soy
[10:47] <jatos1> does anyone know how to minimise Putty when its in full screen?
[10:48] <hater2win> window key + D? =o
[10:48] <hater2win> =p*
[10:48] <_shawn> holy I went to upgrade to breezy 475 packages will be kept back
[10:49] <hater2win> whats the difference between hoary, warty, and breezy?
[10:49] <jatos1> woo
[10:49] <jatos1> wartys oldest, hoary slightly newer and breezy is newest
[10:49] <Soyburg> hater2win: they are different releases of kubuntu. hoary is the current one. warty was current half a year ago and breezy is not yet current.
[10:49] <hater2win> what are they, like release updates?
[10:49] <_shawn> if I do this upgrade will my computer explode? lol
[10:50] <jatos1> yep _shawn
[10:50] <_shawn> damn
[10:50] <hater2win> kind of like service packs? lol
[10:50] <jatos1> and the rooms its in will become very black...
[10:50] <hater2win> except less useless
[10:51] <PieD> jatos1: you're describing what is IN my previous keyboard
[10:51] <Soyburg> hater2win: no, rather like new releases of the distribution. like win95, win2000, winxp. just in much shorter release cycles.
[10:51] <jatos1> _shawn: its fun though seeing your computer blow up
[10:51] <PieD> it's burned
[10:51] <_shawn> but 475 that's alot of packages kept back.... that wotties me
[10:51] <jatos1> kk PieD
[10:51] <_shawn> *worries
[10:51] <jatos1> lol
[10:51] <Soyburg> _shawn: maybe they're still good?
[10:51] <hater2win> Soyburg: oh ok
[10:52] <jatos1> lol _shawn, don't worry, all that will really happen is your get loads more problems
[10:52] <_shawn> ya I know
[10:52] <jatos1> or probably will get loads more probs
[10:52] <PieD> simple advice : don't clean a keyboard too much
[10:52] <PieD> even if you don't use water nor any other product
[10:52] <PieD> you can damage it
[10:52] <Soyburg> _shawn: you do know how to make backups, don't you?
[10:52] <_shawn> I wan't really serious I am a comp nerd going to computer college in sept :)
[10:52] <_shawn> no
[10:52] <PieD> (and damage your motherboard when plugging the keyboard in)
[10:52] <_shawn> how?
[10:52] <_shawn> *wasn't
[10:53] <Soyburg> yeah, plugging the keyboard is about the worst thing that can happen to a running system...
[10:53] <_shawn> Soyburg: how?
[10:53] <Soyburg> you just burn everything that is important to you to a cd or dvd. that's what I do at least.
[10:54] <_shawn> oh blah foget that
[10:54] <Soyburg> :)
[10:54] <_shawn> the only important thing on here at the moment is music
[10:54] <Soyburg> burn it then :)
[10:54] <Soyburg> or get another harddisk and put it there.
[10:54] <_shawn> nah
[10:54] <jatos1> what if my ubuntu system is a server put into a datacenter and I am miles away from the dc, then backup gets more tricky
[10:55] <_shawn> ya I want another harddisk eventually but I'm poor
[10:55] <Soyburg> jatos1: second harddisk I'd say.
[10:55] <Soyburg> or at least a second partition.
[10:55] <jatos1> yeah, thats what the hosts do
[10:56] <jatos1> my backup method is using an ssh script to transfer the data to an offsie server
[10:56] <Soyburg> well, it has been a pleasure chatting with you but I have to go. thanks PieD for your enlightening explanations and suggestions. good night all.
[10:56] <jatos1> cu Soyburg
[10:56] <PieD> see you later
[10:57] <jatos1> too late PieD, he already gone...
[10:57] <nocloud> okay, i got a problem...during the installation, after the first screen, i got this: http://www.nocloud.hopto.org/pics/kubuntu.JPG
[10:57] <PieD> jatos1: ho
[10:57] <PieD> [22:57:10] <PieD> see you later
[10:57] <PieD> [22:57:12] <-- Soyburg a quitt le canal. ("Bye")
[10:57] <jatos1> oh...
[10:57] <jatos1> probably a ping time thin
[10:58] <jatos1> whats your ip Pied, I want to ping you to see the timing
[10:58] <PieD> my network won't answer you
[10:59] <jatos1> oh
[10:59] <jatos1> wb _shawn
[10:59] <jatos1> has anyone here even been on #gaim
[10:59] <nocloud> can anybody help me fix my problem?
[10:59] <_shawn> lol weird things happen my computer decided to freeze and there was a shitload of harddisk activity
okay, i got a problem...during the installation, after the first screen, i got this: http://www.nocloud.hopto.org/pics/kubuntu.JPG
[11:00] <jatos1> oh, thats what most of us call a crash _shawn
[11:00] <_shawn> yeah
[11:00] <hater2win> i think its cuz you are using a dell =/
[11:00] <_shawn> I used to use slackware so I wasn't firmiliar
[11:00] <_shawn> and I'm not using a dell
[11:00] <jatos1> ah
[11:00] <jatos1> slackware sucks
[11:00] <hater2win> lol, was just kidding
[11:00] <jatos1> just most versions of win, though some win versions are good
[11:01] <hater2win> was talking to nocloud
[11:01] <jatos1> ah
[11:01] <nocloud> does dell have anything to do with it?
[11:01] <hater2win> no
[11:01] <_shawn> no
[11:01] <hater2win> i was just messing
[11:01] <jatos1> nope nocloud
[11:01] <nocloud> it really wierd why the first screen would show up but not the second screen
[11:02] <nocloud> system has wsxga screen and radeon x300 graphics if that effects anything....
[11:02] <luckyscrewdriver> what is difference between kubuntu files from version 0ubuntu0hoary1 and 0ubuntu0hoary2 in synaptic? I see identical version # for packages but they are listed as upgradeable because of the hoary2 vs. hoary1
[11:02] <jatos1> anyone here got their own website?
[11:02] <Ju1ce> I do.
[11:03] <hater2win> <-- has his own website
[11:03] <hater2win> http://www.hateralligator.com
[11:03] <jatos1> are, I have a few
[11:03] <Ju1ce> I have one, but you wouldn't understand it.
[11:03] <Ju1ce> It's completely in Finnish.
[11:03] <hater2win> i have 3 technically
[11:03] <jatos1> hatealligatior looks pretty cool hater2win
[11:04] <hater2win> working on a 4th
[11:04] <hater2win> ty jatos1
[11:04] <hater2win> i havent updated in forever
[11:04] <hater2win> lol
[11:04] <hater2win> college took my time away from web design
[11:04] <_shawn> wow your finnish do you listen to nightwish... my favorite band :)
[11:04] <hater2win> lol
[11:04] <Ju1ce> but I make websites for companies
[11:04] <nocloud> anybody got any information about my problem....
[11:04] <jatos1> `hater2in, do you need any hosting?
[11:04] <hater2win> actually, i could use a good host pretty soon
[11:05] <jatos1> I just happen to have loads of readily available webspace
[11:05] <hater2win> lol, nice
[11:05] <hater2win> yeah im running out of months on my hosting
[11:05] <jatos1> I have a 5gig rseller, and guess how much I am paying for it?
[11:05] <hater2win> ??
[11:05] <jatos1> 0...
[11:05] <hater2win> how much is that in USD?
[11:05] <hater2win> LOL kidding
[11:05] <jatos1> did something for the host
[11:05] <jatos1> $0
[11:06] <hater2win> was kidding, lol
[11:06] <hater2win> what did you do?
[11:06] <Ju1ce> hateralligator says good afternoon and it's 0:08 here at night :P
[11:06] <jatos1> lol...
[11:06] <jatos1> forum integration
[11:06] <jatos1> lol @ Ju1ce
[11:06] <jatos1> www.thefbsite.com
[11:06] <jatos1> a site I am working on
[11:07] <hater2win> nice
[11:07] <hater2win> let me know if you need help
[11:07] <hater2win> i do lots of internet programming
[11:07] <jatos1> will do, can you do PHP
[11:07] <hater2win> yeah
[11:07] <a514> Using the Live C,D What do i use at boot for cli?
[11:07] <hater2win> and mysql
[11:07] <jatos1> nice
[11:07] <Ju1ce> php and mysql is an unbeatable combination
[11:07] <jatos1> want my email hater2win, and my MSN if you use MSN
[11:08] <hater2win> i use aim, heh, but email would be nice
[11:08] <jatos1> [email protected] aol-screename: jsoftj
[11:08] <TestMAD> anyone want a gmail invite..i have 50 and dont want them.
[11:08] <jatos1> so do I testMAD
[11:09] <a514> Hi there, what option do i use for a CLI at the boot prompt? live-cli?
[11:09] <_shawn> I think everyone has 50 gmail invites at this point
[11:09] <TestMAD> i figure every one has an invite now..
[11:09] <TestMAD> yea
[11:09] <Ju1ce> I wish I had someone to give my invites away.
[11:09] <jatos1> lol
[11:09] <Ju1ce> And my Ubuntu CD:s :)
[11:09] <hater2win> lol
[11:09] <hater2win> yeah
[11:10] <jatos1> I just discovered a disadvantage of starting a gui from SSH
[11:10] <hater2win> lol, whats that
[11:10] <jatos1> when you close the ssh session, the gui closes too
[11:10] <hater2win> ooo
[11:11] <hater2win> now i know
[11:11] <a514> I have a problem, the Live CD stalls at KDM & says - id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes - no more processes left in this runlevel
[11:12] <jatos1> hater2win, whats your aim screename?
[11:12] <hater2win> i added you already jatos1, my SN is: Que Slow Head
[11:12] <hater2win> email is [email protected]
[11:12] <hater2win> lol
[11:13] <a514> Can someone help me out, with a option to load at the boot prompt to just start a console instead of KDM?
[11:13] <jatos1> kk
[11:14] <jatos1> are another user of best webmail system in the world
[11:14] <hater2win> indeed indeed
[11:14] <hater2win> I <3 Google...
[11:14] <hater2win> google2win
[11:14] <jatos1> got you hater2win...
[11:15] <a514> Have you tried the CustomizeGoogle Firefox extension?
[11:15] <hater2win> I removed it because it causes problems with google.com/ig
[11:16] <a514> Are you guys using KU?
[11:16] <_shawn> oh i have a question I have to reinstall windows soon if I do so will it overwrite grub?
[11:17] <_shawn> I have a dual boot right now
[11:17] <a514> _shawn you can try http://dban.sf.net & erase everything.
[11:17] <_shawn> erase everything? I want to keep linux on here too
[11:18] <Ju1ce> why, oh why this stupid printer won't work with ubuntu >:|
[11:18] <a514> ok, have you tried the Live CD?
[11:19] <_shawn> so I have win on one partition and kubuntu on the other if I reinstall win on it's partition will it overwrite grub?
[11:19] <jatos1> _shawn, doubt it
[11:19] <_shawn> ok
[11:19] <a514> Julce? Did cupsd load?
[11:19] <_shawn> thanks
[11:19] <jatos1> whatever happens grub should be easy to reinstall
[11:20] <_shawn> ok
[11:20] <a514> _Shawn if grub is in your mbr then i'd suggest you save whatever you want to a CD first.
[11:20] <_shawn> ya it is in mbr
[11:21] <_shawn> I just really don't want to have to reinstall kubuntu
[11:21] <_shawn> it's a pain reinstalling all the stuff I need
[11:22] <a514> I read that Win should be installed on it's own HardDisk to control the MBR. Then install Linux.
[11:22] <_shawn> wel I only have on harddisk
[11:22] <a514> _shawn Have you tried the Live CD? You just need memory.
[11:23] <_shawn> *one
[11:23] <_shawn> nah i don't like the idea of a live cd
[11:23] <a514> I recommend a used 1gig hd for Win
[11:24] <_shawn> ya maybe I'll get one eventually
[11:24] <a514> _shawn It works tho :)
[11:25] <a514> _shawn so what do you like about KU?
[11:27] <hater2win> what is the command for killing a process?
[11:28] <Ju1ce> kill pid or killall process
[11:28] <Ju1ce> ie. killall amarokapp
[11:29] <hater2win> ty
[11:29] <hater2win> dunno why but synaptic wouldnt respond
[11:29] <_shawn> ummm not much really :)
[11:30] <Ju1ce> nah, i give up
[11:30] <Ju1ce> this printer won't work with cups.
[11:30] <luckyscrewdriver> what is difference between kubuntu files from version 0ubuntu0hoary1 and 0ubuntu0hoary2 in synaptic? I see identical version # for packages but they are listed as upgradeable because of the hoary2 vs. hoary1
[11:31] <_shawn> I donno if I perfer it or slack I'm yest to decide, KU configures lots of stuff for you but overall I'd say slack feels more comfortable and pisse me off less
[11:31] <_shawn> *yet
[11:31] <_shawn> *pisses
[11:33] <hater2win> i couldnt even get slax installed right
[11:33] <hater2win> lol
[11:33] <_shawn> ah well
[11:33] <hater2win> how do i mount a hard drive?
[11:33] <hater2win> ntfs
[11:34] <Ju1ce> editt fstab
[11:34] <Ju1ce> ubuntuguide has more info
[11:34] <Ju1ce> http://ubuntuguide.org
[11:35] <luckyscrewdriver> no answer to my question, I will rub my eyes now until they tear up
[11:35] <luckyscrewdriver> then I will cry a river
[11:36] <luckyscrewdriver> nobody here experience the differences with 0ubuntu0hoary1 and 0ubuntu0hoary2???
[11:36] <hater2win> ty Ju1ce
[11:36] <_shawn> hater2win: somthing like this /dev/hda1 /mnt/ntfs ntfs defaults 0 0
[11:37] <luckyscrewdriver> why do you want ntfs on your hard drive?
[11:37] <hater2win> i have 2 other NTFS drive
[11:37] <hater2win> with software, and music n shit on em
[11:37] <hater2win> and i want to mount them
[11:37] <hater2win> so i can listen to my music
[11:38] <frank_> luckyscrewdriver: I didn't see any difference
[11:38] <luckyscrewdriver> hater2win, if you were to create a fat32 partition you may easily share between your ntfs and linux partitions
[11:38] <Jet2k5> Hello guys I'm running Ubuntu with KDE, and for some reason my printer has stopped working. I've reconfigured it / restarted the cups service and still nothing, anybody might tell me if I missed something?
[11:38] <Ju1ce> hater2win: http://ubuntuguide.org/#automountntfs
[11:39] <Ju1ce> Jet2k5: your printer?
[11:39] <Jet2k5> Hp PCS 1315
[11:39] <Jet2k5> usually uses what ever the 1310 has
[11:39] <luckyscrewdriver> frank_, that is odd, Synaptic is telling me 0ubuntu0hoary2 files are newer (but same version!) as the 0ubuntu0hoary1 files. Any idea why this is?
[11:39] <Ju1ce> model?
[11:39] <Jet2k5> Ju1ce: umm 1310?
[11:39] <Jet2k5> That's as far as I know
[11:40] <Jet2k5> HP PCS 1315 ?
[11:40] <Ju1ce> I haven't got my hp deskjet to work at all :/
[11:40] <frank_> luckyscrewdriver: I know there is a version change but I don't know what actually has changed
[11:40] <Ju1ce> can't connect to cups server
[11:40] <luckyscrewdriver> frank_, thank you so to update these would be good yes?
[11:40] <Jet2k5> mine keps onl ike shutting down
[11:40] <Jet2k5> it shows that it's working but then it stops
[11:41] <frank_> luckyscrewdriver: well everything still works here so I guess the update is ok yes
[11:41] <Ju1ce> Jet2k5: have you installed hplip/hpijs?
[11:42] <Jet2k5> no
[11:42] <Jet2k5> it worked perfect before I isntalled KDE and removed GNOME
[11:42] <Jet2k5> but I know better than to blame KDE
[11:42] <Jet2k5> has to be something else, is it in the repos?
[11:43] <luckyscrewdriver> frank_, my friend, I would like to thank you for your helpfulness
[11:48] <hater2win> anybody listened to l33t_axss? lol... awesome hacker rap
[11:51] <_ray> anybody know of any good database apps...similar to access
[11:52] <hater2win> there is one in open office
[11:52] <hater2win> its called uhhhhh
[11:52] <hater2win> base?
[11:53] <hater2win> bout to go into beta soon i think
[11:53] <_dylan> is there a package that i can get that will allow me to use flash in konqueror?
[11:53] <hater2win> or something like that
[11:53] <_ray> _dylan: yeah
[11:53] <_dylan> what is the package name?
[11:54] <_ray> !find mozilla-flashplayer
[11:54] <_dylan> tans
[11:54] <_dylan> thanks*
[11:54] <_ray> you need to rescan plugins in konq before it will work
[11:54] <_dylan> how?
[11:55] <_ray> umm
[11:55] <_ray> go into configure
[11:55] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'mozilla-flashplayer' returned no results.
[11:55] <_ray> and then plugins
[11:55] <_ray> and hit the rescan button
[11:55] <_dylan> ok
[11:55] <_dylan> in konqueror?
[11:56] <_dylan> o i c
[11:56] <_dylan> thanks
[11:57] <_dylan> flash cannot be found from within kynaptic
[11:58] <seth_k> ubotu tell _dylan about flash
[11:58] <Ju1ce> why do you fellas use kynaptic?
[11:58] <Ju1ce> synaptic is better, or use command line apt-get
[11:59] <_dylan> i dont know how to install it
[11:59] <Firetech> does DVD+R DL burning work in the k3b version bundled with kubuntu?
[11:59] <Firetech> If it does, I can't find out how...
[11:59] <_dylan> cdrdao doesnt show up either
[12:00] <_dylan> wtf
[12:00] <frank_> _dylan: you need more repositories
[12:00] <frank_> !repositories
[12:00] <ubotu> methinks repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:01] <hater2win> is there an easy way to find where osmething is installed
[12:01] <hater2win> like i did
[12:01] <hater2win> sudo apt-get install python
[12:01] <hater2win> where does it install to?
[12:02] <_dylan> thanks
[12:03] <Ju1ce> "whereis python"
[12:03] <hater2win> ty much
[12:04] <_dylan> that link you gave me does not show me how to add repositories with kynaptic
[12:04] <_dylan> only synaptic
[12:05] <hater2win> install synaptic then =)
[12:05] <_dylan> can i do it from command line?
[12:05] <hater2win> yes
[12:05] <_dylan> how?
[12:05] <Ju1ce> they use the same db
[12:05] <hater2win> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[12:05] <equex> is there a way to reset the KDE menu so that all apps return to their default place?
[12:05] <equex> i broke it again :D
[12:05] <_dylan> no i mean install more repos via the konsole?
[12:05] <hater2win> oh
[12:05] <hater2win> *shrug*
[12:05] <Ju1ce> when you add them, kynaptic will use them too
[12:05] <_dylan> i know
[12:06] <hater2win> too new to know lol
[12:06] <_dylan> why cant you do it in kynaptic?
[12:06] <Ju1ce> I would prefer you to just edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:06] <_dylan> me too
[12:06] <_dylan> how?
[12:07] <hater2win> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:07] <hater2win> ???
[12:07] <hater2win> is that right ju1ce?
[12:07] <Ju1ce> _dylan: sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list (or whatever text editor u use)
[12:07] <frank_> _dylan kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:07] <frank_> _dylan sudo doesn't work
[12:07] <jatos1> no sudon nano /etc/apt/sources.list
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2005-08-10-#kubuntu-devel
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[01:29] <Mez> Riddell: breezy kubuntu works fine for me
[01:29] <Mez> now might be a good time for a kubuntu colony CD?
[01:29] <Riddell> Mez: seriously?
[01:29] <Riddell> Mez: like X works and everything?
[01:30] <Mez> Riddell: other than the whole Firefox fonts are massive
[01:30] <Mez> theres not a problem
[01:31] <Riddell> wow
[01:31] <Mez> as long as you DONT install ubuntu-desktop
[01:31] <Riddell> what's wrong with ubuntu-desktop?
[01:31] <Mez> Riddell, broken pacakges all over the place
[01:31] <Riddell> he he
[01:32] <Mez> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[01:32] <Mez> ubuntu-desktop: Depends: gnomemeeting but it is not going to be installed
[01:32] <Mez> E: Broken packages
[01:32] <Mez> but, i got the colony CD installed that
[01:32] <Mez> it broke
[01:33] <Mez> so i went into aptitude, and got rid of everything under ubuntu-desktop
[01:33] <Mez> waited for X to be fixed
[01:33] <Mez> installed kubuntu-desktop
[01:33] <Mez> so i'm basically using a kubuntu Breezy
[01:33] <Mez> bot a KDE on top of ubuntu
[01:33] <Mez> s/bot/not/
[01:33] <Riddell> Mez: did you install from todays daily CD?
[01:34] <Mez> Riddell, no
[01:34] <Mez> I installed from colony 2
[01:34] <Mez> removed everything
[01:34] <Riddell> ah, so what makes you think X is fixed?
[01:34] <Mez> updated
[01:34] <Mez> Riddell, the simple fact that it works for me without any changes
[01:34] <Mez> and has done for about a week
[01:35] <Mez> and theres been nothing for X show up in an upgrade/dist-upgrade
[01:35] <Mez> Riddell, try it
[01:35] <Mez> :P
[01:36] <Riddell> I'll try a daily CD tomorrow
[01:37] <Mez> lol
[01:37] <Mez> try a netboot install :DS
[01:47] <Riddell> who is anthony.mercatante on IRC?
[01:54] <Mez> Tonio
[01:54] <Mez> IIRC
[01:56] <Riddell> ah cool
[01:56] <Riddell> a ktechlab package, impressive
[05:31] <lexhider_> what's the plan regarding 3.5 and kubuntu?
[04:30] <pef> hello !
[04:30] <author> hi
[04:31] <OculusAquilae> hi pef
[05:50] <Mez> Riddell: ping
[05:51] <Riddell> Mez: hi
[05:51] <Mez> I've found a really weird bug in kate
[05:52] <Mez> basically on some lines, it'll show the wrong line number
[05:52] <Mez> for example, line 610, it'll say lin 60
[06:10] <Riddell> Mez: I'm not at a KDE machine just now, you'll need to remind me later
[07:42] <pef> bye !
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2005-08-19-#ubuntu-toolchain
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[05:12] <zul> where did the /topic go?
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2005-08-19-#ubuntu-motu
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[12:20] <torkel> tseng: ping
[12:23] <tseng> yes?
[12:24] <tseng> torkel: hi
[12:24] <torkel> tseng: hi
[12:25] <torkel> can you please do a rebuild of tomboy. The one in the archive does not work with the current version of dbus in breezy without a rebuild
[12:27] <tseng> done
[12:27] <torkel> tseng: thanks a lot
[01:22] <sh> Hi... I just installed Breezy and now X doesn't work.. I get this weird "*** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (fasttop)" error thing. Sound familiar?
[01:24] <sh> It happens almost immediately after starting X (before it actually shows anything) and is apparantly killed by a SIGABRT.
[01:25] <sh> Hmm... I changed to the vesa driver, and now it works.
[01:25] <sh> Just a sec, I'll just go to X.
[01:38] <whiprush> dbus-o-the-day
[01:38] <whiprush> witty!
[01:39] <tseng> its a rerun
[01:39] <whiprush> oh
[01:39] <tseng> last time i called it "this weeks dbus api" or something
[01:40] <tseng> but glad you are all still ammused
[01:40] <whiprush> it made my day
[01:40] <whiprush> (not really)
[01:41] <shawarma> Where has glxinfo gone in Breezy?
[02:02] <thierry> I've build gnome-chemistry-utils without any problem and it's in the unmet dependencies list... what should I do now?
[03:13] <bmonty> thierry: add it to the "just needs a rebuild" table in the wiki
[04:57] <bmonty> ajmitch_: ping
[05:03] <ajmitch_> bmonty: ?
[05:04] <bmonty> ajmitch_: working on making a script to create a list of mirrors for apt-spy
[05:04] <ajmitch_> ok..
[05:04] <bmonty> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive, this is the only place mirrors are listed, right?
[05:04] <ajmitch_> I don't know
[05:04] <bmonty> I've asked in a lot of the ubuntu channels, and noboy knows
[05:05] <ajmitch_> :)
[06:11] <desrt> crimsun; sup
[09:45] <cat> hey people
[10:40] <herve> hello
[11:11] <siretart> hi folks
[11:12] <siretart> does anyone happen to know who Johan Svedberg is?
[11:20] <ajmitch_> siretart: he maintains blam in debian, for one
[11:21] <siretart> hi ajmitch_
[11:22] <siretart> ajmitch_: ah, I see. he requested an reviewer account
[11:22] <ajmitch_> aha
[11:22] <siretart> hm. new upstream version of scorched3d
[11:23] <siretart> perhaps it fixes some ftbfs on amd64? lets try
[11:23] <Lathiat> ah nice
[11:23] <siretart> hi Lathiat
[11:23] <Lathiat> yo
[11:24] <siretart> this is a joke
[11:24] <siretart> 50mb sources?!
[11:25] <siretart> wtf?!
[11:25] <Mithrandir> 50MB isn't that bad.
[11:26] <siretart> puh, thats only for windows, the unix source is 'just' 35MB ;)
[11:28] <Lathiat> haha
[11:31] <siretart> Mithrandir: perhaps you can give advice: upstream of scorched3d recommends compiling on amd64 in 32bit mode for ensuring compatibility of the network code
[11:31] <Lathiat> thatd be really hard to do wouldnt it?
[11:31] <siretart> Mithrandir: do you think that we and/or debian should do that?
[11:31] <Lathiat> then you need 32bit installs of sdl, wxwindows,
[11:32] <siretart> indeed
[11:32] <Lathiat> i dont think thats reasonable
[11:32] <Mithrandir> siretart: no.
[11:32] <Mithrandir> siretart: the network code should be fixed to use fixed sizes rather.
[11:33] <siretart> Mithrandir: upstream says they have not access to a 64bit machine for developing/testing
[11:33] <Amaranth> this is one of those things a distro is supposed to patch and send upstream ;)
[11:34] <siretart> Amaranth: well, there exists a patch in debian bts, upstream says, that the patch breaks network compatibility
[11:35] <Mithrandir> siretart: if they don't need physical access, I can provide them with access to one.
[11:35] <ajmitch_> Mithrandir: it's a GL game, so physical access is proably best
[11:35] <ajmitch_> I'd happily do it if I had the ox, I quite like the game :)
[11:35] <ajmitch_> s/ox/box/
[11:36] <siretart> the game is great, indeed..
[11:36] <Mithrandir> I have the hardware, but not the time. :-)
[11:36] <siretart> I'm just trying to build new upstream version
[11:36] <Amaranth> worms armageddon is better
[11:37] <siretart> Amaranth: but it doesn't have the nostalgic feeling of scorched earth ;)
[11:37] <Mithrandir> Amaranth: that's not free, though?
[11:37] <Amaranth> no
[11:37] <siretart> it needs openal headers? wtf?
[11:37] <Amaranth> it's windows only
[11:38] <ajmitch_> siretart: why the surprise?
[11:39] <siretart> never heard of that. configure bails out because cannot find openal-config
[11:39] <ajmitch_> siretart: strange, vesastrike worked ok with libopenal-dev
[11:40] <siretart> hm. apt-file is still broken :(
[11:41] <siretart> hm
[11:41] <siretart> :(
[11:41] <ajmitch_> hmm, keyboard on this laptop needs cleaned or something, some keys don't work right :)
[11:41] <Lathiat> apt-file is broken because Contents isnt updated.
[11:41] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: heh i vacuum my keyboard regularly
[11:42] <ajmitch_> but dlocate only looks in installed packages, iirc
[11:42] <Lathiat> largely cat/dog hair
[11:42] <Lathiat> but other cruft gets in their
[11:42] <ajmitch_> heh
[11:42] <Lathiat> keeps it nice and clean
[11:42] <siretart> ajmitch_: does it also work with packages not installed yet?
[11:43] <ajmitch_> don't think so
[11:58] <Lathiat> siretart: feel free to go through http://bur.st/~lathiat/rebuilds at will. :)
[11:59] <siretart> Lathiat: :) - will soon, I'm still at openal
[11:59] <siretart> hm
[11:59] <siretart> debian has uploaded a newer openal
[11:59] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: great, want to see my massive unmet deps rebuild list? ;)
[11:59] <siretart> but misses to install openal-config
[11:59] <ajmitch_> bah, 'b' isn't working properly
[11:59] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: the to be done list?
[12:00] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: yeah, I threw the 'apt-cache unmet' list at pbuilder
[12:00] <Lathiat> i have my own im working through ;p
[12:00] <ajmitch_> got logs of everything
[12:00] <Lathiat> ah
[12:00] <Lathiat> what did that achieve?
[12:00] <Lathiat> the list of things that just need a rebuild?
[12:01] <ajmitch_> yeah, once I process the list properly
[12:01] <Lathiat> ah ok
[12:01] <ajmitch_> I'll sort out the just-need-rebuild, script the changelog adding & upload the lot
[12:01] <Lathiat> well im just working through apt-cache atm
[12:01] <Lathiat> unfortuately simple rebuilds suck a bti because i cant upload
[12:02] <Lathiat> and sending a debdiff with a changelog entry si almost pointless :)
[12:02] <Amaranth> a package shows up in unmet if it's suggests don't exist?
[12:02] <Lathiat> Amaranth: yeh, but it does tell you its a suggest
[12:02] <ajmitch_> Amaranth: yes, which is why the list needs processing
[12:04] <siretart> wah great
[12:04] <siretart> openal is unbuildable in debian atm, because arts has unmet deps :/
[12:04] <Lathiat> heh
[12:04] <ajmitch_> ah yes
[12:04] <ajmitch_> that evil
[12:05] <siretart> lets try to build in breezy
[12:05] <Lathiat> bah i hate things that dont compile
[12:06] <ajmitch_> 752 upgraded, 220 newly installed, 36 to remove and 7 not upgraded.
[12:06] <ajmitch_> yay, I haven't upgraded this breezy laptop for awhile :)
[12:08] <Lathiat> heh
[12:08] <Lathiat> i found alot more worked when i reinstalled
[12:08] <Lathiat> a few weeks back
[12:08] <ajmitch_> probably not since UDU, in fact
[12:08] <Lathiat> _host_sockaddr.sin_port = g_htons(cport);
[12:08] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: well my main breezy box was dist-upgraded from sid
[12:08] <Lathiat> wtf is wrong with that :\
[12:09] <Lathiat> TCPTransmitter.cc:179: error: expected `(' before 'const
[12:09] <Lathiat> how the hell
[12:09] <ajmitch_> g_htons isn't something weird & crackful?
[12:09] <Lathiat> i was just looking
[12:09] <Lathiat> GUINT16_TO_BE
[12:09] <siretart> ajmitch_: would you consider updating openal for breezy?
[12:10] <ajmitch_> siretart: I'd consider it, if it helps things compile & doesn't break others :)
[12:10] <siretart> I hope the newer openal doesn break too much. there are some reverse depends..
[12:12] <siretart> waaah
[12:12] <ajmitch_> siretart: breakage?
[12:12] <Lathiat> ah its in /usr/lib/glib-2.0/include
[12:12] <Lathiat> crack
[12:12] <siretart> debian maintainer should be also be hit by something hard
[12:13] <siretart> he just forgets on accident installing openal-config :/
[12:14] <ajmitch_> hehe
[12:14] <Lathiat> #define GUINT16_SWAP_LE_BE_CONSTANT(val) ((guint16) ( \
[12:14] <Lathiat> (guint16) ((guint16) (val) >> 8) | \
[12:14] <Lathiat> (guint16) ((guint16) (val) << 8)))
[12:14] <Lathiat> is that it ends up being
[12:14] <Lathiat> i see nothing fishy
[12:15] <Lathiat> i get the feelign gcc4 might be mixing up my line numbers
[12:15] <Lathiat> after preprocessing
[12:15] <siretart> what do you know, the fix is a two liner :/
[12:16] <ajmitch_> siretart: massive patch
[12:16] <siretart> does anyone happen to know Dan Helfman? Does he irc?
[12:17] <siretart> (openal maintainer)
[12:18] <ajmitch_> highvoltage: great :)
[12:19] <highvoltage> ajmitch_: :)
[12:22] <Lathiat> what does 'unrepresentable changes to source' actually mean
[12:23] <Mithrandir> "you have binaries which aren't in the orig.tar.gz"
[12:23] <Lathiat> uh
[12:23] <Lathiat> scary
[12:23] <ajmitch_> the clean target didn't really clean it
[12:23] <Lathiat> how did that happen?
[12:23] <Lathiat> except i didnt build it
[12:23] <Lathiat> i just edited a source file since my last debuild -S
[12:24] <Mithrandir> it will tell you what files it's complaining about
[12:24] <ajmitch_> it's a real pain on packages with a broken 'make distclean'
[12:24] <Lathiat> pkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of file po/zh_TW.gmo
[12:24] <Lathiat> dpkg-source: building gabber in gabber_0.8.8-5build2.dsc
[12:24] <Lathiat> dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source
[12:24] <Lathiat> debuild: fatal error at line 765:
[12:24] <Lathiat> dpkg-buildpackage failed!
[12:24] <Lathiat> it does?
[12:24] <Lathiat> oh
[12:24] <Lathiat> i see further up
[12:25] <Lathiat> oh heh
[12:25] <Lathiat> i had a copy of vim open
[12:25] <Lathiat> and it whinged about the swap file
[12:25] <ajmitch_> heh
[12:26] <siretart> ok out for lunch
[12:26] <siretart> cu later!
[12:28] <Lathiat> bye
[12:41] <shawarma> Hi! Where do I report Breezy-bugs? Malone?
[12:42] <ajmitch_> for universe, in malone
[12:42] <ajmitch_> packages in main still use bugzilla for now
[12:42] <shawarma> Ok.
[12:43] <shawarma> Thanks
[12:56] <shawarma> Hmm... What do I do if it's a package that's only available in Breezy? I can't choose it in the bugzilla interface.
[01:30] <shawarma> Is anyone here using breezy and using the i810 driver for X?
[02:03] <sistpoty> hi folks
[02:04] <slomo> hi sistpoty
[02:22] <highvoltage> how do i get md 5 sums for all the files in a directory recursively? I thought of trying ls -1R | md5sum, but obviously that only gives me the md5sum of the output.
[02:27] <Lathiat> find . -type f -exec md5sum {} \;
[02:27] <highvoltage> Lathiat: thanks
[02:27] <Lathiat> nps
[02:27] <Mithrandir> use -print0 | xargs -0 md5sum instead, it won't spawn md5sum for each and every file.
[02:27] <Mithrandir> (a new md5sum)
[02:27] <highvoltage> Mithrandir: ok. thanks to you too.
[02:27] <Lathiat> tseng: in the search & index prefs, the options go off the edge at higher DPIs
[02:27] <Lathiat> (i think its broken and not inside the tba or something)
[02:32] <tseng> Lathiat: you are using cvs?
[02:32] <Lathiat> tseng: package
[02:32] <tseng> uh
[02:33] <tseng> im at 96dpi
[02:33] <tseng> i dont know what you consider "high"
[02:33] <Lathiat> put it to 120
[02:33] <Lathiat> basically the window doesnt size to fit the widgets
[02:33] <Lathiat> (and its not resizable to make it worse)
[02:33] <tseng> works for me
[02:33] <Lathiat> at 120dpi?
[02:33] <tseng> oh
[02:33] <tseng> there is a tiny bit of overhang
[02:33] <Lathiat> yeh
[02:33] <tseng> the s in folders
[02:33] <tseng> meh?
[02:33] <Lathiat> at 120 you almost cant hit the text box
[02:33] <Lathiat> nah
[02:33] <Lathiat> the uh F12 textbox
[02:33] <Lathiat> i can only see half of it
[02:33] <tseng> i can
[02:33] <tseng> see the whole line
[02:33] <tseng> what kind of monitor are you running 120dpi anyway
[02:33] <Lathiat> 1680x1050 @ 15.4"
[02:34] <Lathiat> (dell widescreen laptop)
[02:34] <tseng> < 1680x1050 @ 20"
[02:34] <Lathiat> heh
[02:34] <tseng> i guess that explains why I can see it all
[02:34] <tseng> or something
[02:34] <Lathiat> so make it 150 dpi then
[02:34] <Lathiat> :)
[02:34] <tseng> this seems stupid big
[02:34] <tseng> are you blind :P
[02:34] <Lathiat> http://bur.st/~lathiat/prefs.png
[02:34] <Lathiat> tseng: yeh dude i have 5 less inches to put that resolution in
[02:34] <tseng> yes 150 managed to pretty well screw it
[02:35] <Lathiat> and yeh 96dpi was start to annoy me
[02:35] <Lathiat> dont wanna screw my eyes :)
[02:35] <Lathiat> 120 is nice
[02:35] <tseng> hm i run 1440x1050 @ 14.1"
[02:35] <tseng> with 75 dpi
[02:35] <Lathiat> heh
[02:35] <Lathiat> thats basically by resolution
[02:35] <tseng> oh the laptop lcs
[02:35] <tseng> lcd
[02:35] <Lathiat> but 1" less
[02:36] <tseng> yeah
[02:36] <tseng> do you have a gnome bugs account?
[02:36] <Lathiat> damn ;p
[02:36] <Lathiat> yes
[02:36] <Lathiat> want me to file one?
[02:36] <tseng> yeah
[02:36] <tseng> im not sure if its even valid
[02:37] <Lathiat> why isnt it valid?
[02:37] <Lathiat> every other application works fine at this dpi :) the window should resize itself
[02:37] <tseng> hm is that gtk or beagle?
[02:37] <tseng> i really have no idea
[02:37] <Lathiat> well i assume its just the way the window is put together
[02:37] <Lathiat> tho gnome apps in general handle dpi a bazillion times better than windows
[02:37] <Lathiat> on windows setting a higher dpi is pain
[02:37] <Lathiat> breaks everything
[02:43] <highvoltage> so, the templates file contains those questions that debconf asks when i install new packages? what's the best way to learn about templates? should i look at other packages for examples?
[02:44] <\sh> g'afternoon gentlemen
[02:44] <sistpoty> hi \sh
[02:44] <highvoltage> afternoon, \sh
[02:45] <sistpoty> highvoltage: install debconf-doc, there are pretty good examples in there
[02:45] <highvoltage> sistpoty: ok, thanks.
[02:45] <\sh> hmm...i just wanted to write my installation report for this laptop but somethings wrong with my X
[02:45] <\sh> or kde or gnome...don't know..have to investigate
[02:46] <Lathiat> neither
[02:47] <Lathiat> fingers crossed for 12" or amd64 ;p
[02:47] <ajmitch_> hah
[02:47] <Lathiat> probably wont be :(
[02:47] <Lathiat> i want \sh's portege r200
[02:47] <ajmitch_> UK->NZ can take awhile, anyway :)
[02:49] <sistpoty> hm... about motuglutransition: what if a package doesn't directly use gl/glu, but uses gl[u] from sdl... should it build-depend on sdl only?
[02:50] <ajmitch_> sistpoty: I think so
[02:50] <ajmitch_> let me check sdl deps
[02:50] <ajmitch_> libsdl1.2-dev depends on libglu1-xorg-dev | libglu-dev
[02:51] <sivang> howdy folks
[02:51] <sistpoty> thanks ajmitch_
[02:51] <\sh> grmpf
[02:51] <sistpoty> hi sivang
[02:51] <\sh> ok..compiling the sk98lin driver as kernel module only with linux-kernel-headers doesn
[02:51] <\sh> 't wokr
[02:52] <ajmitch_> \sh: is the driver updated in the latest breezy kernel?
[02:52] <\sh> no
[02:52] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: are you sure you want \sh's laptop? ;)
[02:52] <Lathiat> yes
[02:53] <Lathiat> because i know someone who has it workign perfectly :)
[02:53] <\sh> skfp is the old driver...doesn't work...we should get the correct driver into the kernel...doesn't break anything
[02:53] <ajmitch_> hehe
[02:53] <Lathiat> \sh: ask davyd on gimpnet about it...
[02:53] <Lathiat> \sh: he has it all working on .. maybe hoary
[02:53] <\sh> Lathiat: it's working :(
[02:53] <Lathiat> might be breezy
[02:53] <\sh> aeh
[02:53] <\sh> :)
[02:53] <\sh> Lathiat: the problem is only the installation
[02:53] <Lathiat> ah right
[02:53] <ajmitch_> you need to do a net install?
[02:53] <Lathiat> he borrowed my pcmcia card
[02:53] <\sh> Lathiat: the install kernel on colony cd 2 doesn't have the driver...so u have to adjust the install media
[02:53] <Lathiat> right
[02:54] <\sh> ajmitch_: jepp
[02:54] <\sh> Lathiat: i did it with some tricks
[02:54] <Lathiat> should get them merged in :)
[02:54] <ajmitch_> only pcmcia network card I have here is a dodgy 10Mbps 3com :)
[02:54] <\sh> yepp
[02:54] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: yeh well mine was a
[02:54] <Lathiat> real... something
[02:54] <Lathiat> those red ones
[02:54] <Lathiat> no
[02:54] <Lathiat> xircom
[02:54] <Lathiat> thats it
[02:54] <Lathiat> 10M xircom pcmcia
[02:54] <ajmitch_> heh
[02:54] <\sh> but the rest..bluetooth wifi is working out of the box
[02:54] <Lathiat> \sh: apparently bluetooth needs an acpi patch
[02:54] <ajmitch_> \sh: great :)
[02:54] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: ve got like 3 of those but missing the dongle
[02:55] <Lathiat> couple dual modem/network, couple network, 1 modem
[02:55] <Lathiat> i think
[02:55] <Lathiat> only got 1 network dongle
[02:55] <Lathiat> it was quite funny actually my aunty baught home this computer stuff from her work for me
[02:55] <Lathiat> mostly junk but she accidentally bought a box of papers
[02:55] <\sh> actually i can't really test bluetooth cause i don't have another bluetooth device...and my mobile is only looking for audio devices
[02:55] <Lathiat> so she went to take that back and i chceked in the box first and right in the bottom was a xircom network dongle
[02:55] <Lathiat> so i was happy :)
[02:55] <ajmitch_> \sh: you could borrow my phone that I got a couple of weeks ago :)
[02:56] <\sh> ajmitch_: hehe
[02:56] <\sh> ajmitch_: but I should be able to detect the bluetooth devices in my area somehow
[02:56] <ajmitch_> bluetooth works nicely with my desktop box (usb dongle)
[02:56] <ajmitch_> so I hope the laptop I get has bluetooth to test
[02:57] <\sh> i wrote 3 pages how to get this nice little bitch flying...and it's really eyecandy
[02:58] <\sh> ajmitch_: it cost me half a day
[02:58] <\sh> to come to terms how to break the install media of colony cd2
[02:59] <\sh> mount the iso as loop, rsync it to another dir, compile a new kernel on another box, replace the modules of the initrd, replace the kernel on the install media etc....
[03:00] <ajmitch_> how evil
[03:00] <\sh> kick windows from the harddrive, cause resizing wasn't working
[03:00] <ajmitch_> no?
[03:00] <\sh> no
[03:00] <ajmitch_> resize should always work
[03:00] <ajmitch_> very serious if it doesn't
[03:00] <\sh> the default install is 60gb windows xp ntfs
[03:00] <ajmitch_> as most new users will be dual-booting
[03:00] <\sh> i just started up..and I was w8ing for one hour
[03:00] <ajmitch_> & most people will have winXP, ntfs install
[03:00] <\sh> nothing was showing up in the syslog, messges etc.
[03:01] <\sh> tomorrow i check on ebay for a cheep external usb dvdrom
[03:01] <ajmitch_> bugzilla'ed it?
[03:01] <\sh> ajmitch_: no I want to reproduce it
[03:01] <\sh> cause i think I made a mistake with the install
[03:01] <sivang> so guys, where is still help needed around in MOTU land?
[03:01] <ajmitch_> with the amount of hardware in this flat, I should have no issues getting stuff installed ;)
[03:01] <ajmitch_> sivang: everywhere ;)
[03:01] <ajmitch_> sivang: look at MOTUGLUTransition, UniverseUnmetDeps
[03:02] <sivang> ajmitch_: ah the transition still continues? :)
[03:02] <siretart> re
[03:02] <ajmitch_> sivang: of course
[03:02] <sivang> ajmitch_: and does ti expemt FF ?
[03:02] <ajmitch_> and it will be ongoing ;)
[03:03] <ajmitch_> sivang: in a sense
[03:03] <ajmitch_> since it's not really a new feature
[03:03] <siretart> ajmitch_: I 'fixed' openal and already submitted a patch to debian: #323054
[03:03] <ajmitch_> siretart: excellent!
[03:03] <\sh> the strange thing is...toshiba delivers only a dvd recovery media..so if u want to install windows...everything is gone from your previous install
[03:03] <ajmitch_> \sh: I think my flatmate has a very similar laptop
[03:04] <ajmitch_> if not the same model
[03:04] <siretart> ajmitch_: I'd like to upload and fixed version of openal with this patch to ubuntu, but I'll first test the reverse dependencies
[03:04] <sistpoty> huhu siretart
[03:04] <ajmitch_> siretart: ok, I'll test vegastrike :)
[03:04] <\sh> there r different portege r200 models around as I saw...and this one is not even mentioned on toshibas page
[03:04] <ajmitch_> since that's on my list of packages to upload
[03:04] <siretart> huhu sistpoty
[03:05] <siretart> ah, that would be great
[03:05] <siretart> then I
[03:05] <\sh> guys I just switch to X una momenta :)
[03:05] <siretart> 'd test other one
[03:05] <ajmitch_> vegastrike has build-dep changes from Lathiat, gcc4 fix from me, and debian patches to merge
[03:05] <ajmitch_> plus it's fun to test :)
[03:06] <ajmitch_> \sh: no-go?
[03:06] <\sh> back
[03:07] <\sh> working now
[03:07] <ajmitch_> ah great
[03:07] <\sh> I think i have some troubles with kde and gnome when no network device is there
[03:07] <\sh> no real network device ...
[03:07] <ajmitch_> \sh: interface 'lo' has to be up
[03:07] <ajmitch_> but nothing else needs to be
[03:07] <sivang> ajmitch_: that's the two main tasks that need be completed for breezy?
[03:07] <ajmitch_> as long as 127.0.0.1/localhost resolve
[03:07] <\sh> it is....but when I disable the wifi (when I was in the train just now)
[03:07] <ajmitch_> sivang: I'm sure there's *lots* of other tasks, like packages that FTBFS
[03:07] <siretart> sivang: they are always important goals! :)
[03:07] <\sh> completly, even wireless-tools were segfaulting
[03:07] <ajmitch_> sivang: and don't forget reviewing! ;)
[03:07] <\sh> strange thing
[03:07] <\sh> s
[03:07] <siretart> \sh: oh. that sounds like major breakage..
[03:07] <ajmitch_> ok, can people please write up everything they know needs done on MOTUTodo, please?
[03:08] <\sh> siretart: I have to reproduce it...again
[03:08] <sivang> ajmitch_: well, I can't review yet :) Have to get a couple of my own pkgs in before that I assmue ...
[03:08] <\sh> but first I will write my installation report
[03:08] <ajmitch_> and we can also discuss what needs done in the next few weeks at the next MOTU meeting (which is on 24/8 )
[03:09] <sivang> ajmitch_: that would be great, so each time I get some time on hands I won't have to ask around :)
[03:09] <ajmitch_> sivang: ok, but you can still add comments to other's packages :)
[03:09] <ajmitch_> sivang: yeah, I don't know everything that needs done, so we need to keep track of it
[03:12] <highvoltage> ajmitch_: what's the difference?
[03:12] <ajmitch_> highvoltage: usually less teamwork in debian, more flames :)
[03:13] <ajmitch_> although that depends on the area that you work in
[03:16] <highvoltage> sounds like some debian guys just need to ligthen up a bit.
[03:16] <ajmitch_> oh sure
[03:17] <ajmitch_> debian can still be a lot of fun though
[03:17] <ajmitch_> any suggestions from the channel on what needs to go on the MOTUTodo list?
[03:18] <highvoltage> *cough*
[03:19] <sivang> what's MOTUToMerge all about?
[03:19] <highvoltage> ajmitch_: i would contribute, if i understood myself what needs to be done.
[03:19] <ajmitch_> highvoltage: any ideas about what we might be missing from universe that needs fixed?
[03:19] <ajmitch_> things you may have come acrss
[03:20] <siretart> ajmitch_: I'm thinking of adding the ghc6 stuff to MOTUTodo
[03:20] <highvoltage> not recently. i'll have to rack my brain a bit.
[03:21] <siretart> ajmitch_: but it consists mainly of waiting on upstream releasing a new version or someone willing to test the preview release
[03:21] <Lathiat> hrm, if you remove the login sound
[03:21] <Lathiat> it still plays
[03:21] <ajmitch_> siretart: yeah, they said 6.4.1 'real soon now' on the list
[03:21] <ajmitch_> so we'll have to get that bootstrapped on the buildd
[03:22] <siretart> whatever 'RSN' means to them..
[03:22] <ajmitch_> :)
[03:22] <ajmitch_> for some upstreams, 'RSN' means 6 months ;)
[03:23] <siretart> ajmitch_: for some distributions, it means nearly 12 months ;)
[03:23] <siretart> just joking..
[03:23] <ajmitch_> siretart: except debian :)
[03:23] <\sh> hmm
[03:23] <ajmitch_> sarge was slated for release in december 2003, iirc ;)
[03:24] <siretart> IIRC, that was the date predicted by aj back then..
[03:24] <siretart> after that GR, it was clear that sarge had to be delayed..
[03:24] <ajmitch_> yup
[03:24] <tseng> siretart: is there a good reason to have archived uploads show up on the main page?
[03:25] <ajmitch_> morning tseng
[03:25] <tseng> hi
[03:25] <siretart> tseng: you want them on a different page?
[03:25] <ajmitch_> "This proposal has made me put some faith back into Debian. I hope the release manager can enforce this plan and we'll see Sarge in 2003, not 2005."
[03:25] <tseng> the main page is huge now
[03:25] <ajmitch_> hah
[03:25] <tseng> just an idea
[03:25] <siretart> well. hm
[03:26] <siretart> I'm quite quick with archiving, ppl would be confused why their uploads have dissappeared..
[03:26] <tseng> i see
[03:27] <sistpoty> yep, archiving was also planned for packages needing work... revu2 will differentiate here ;)
[03:27] <tseng> ok
[03:27] <sistpoty> we just should get started coding on it ;)
[03:28] <tseng> what are the big changes?
[03:29] <sistpoty> package lifecycle, different pages if you are a reviewer or contributor...
[03:29] <siretart> sistpoty: right :)
[03:29] <sistpoty> many things are listed on REVUDevelopment (wiki)
[03:32] <ajmitch_> ah, if only all those issues raised on the forums were filed as bugs...
[03:35] <siretart> sistpoty: did you actually try to build scorched3d?
[03:35] <siretart> sistpoty: I'm currently on it. it FTBFS on amd64 in current form for me :(
[03:35] <ajmitch_> siretart: FTBFS in what way?
[03:35] <ajmitch_> if it's openal related...
[03:35] <siretart> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=288578\
[03:35] <sistpoty> siretart: yep
[03:35] <siretart> without '\'
[03:36] <ajmitch_> oh evil int/pointer stuff
[03:36] <sistpoty> siretart: didn't fail on i386
[03:36] <siretart> very evil
[03:36] <ajmitch_> sistpoty: it doesn't fail because the datatypes are the same on i386
[03:36] <ajmitch_> but not on amd64
[03:36] <highvoltage> why do the debian scripts use #!/bin/sh -e? What does the "-e" switch do? I couldn't find it in the sh/bash man page.
[03:36] <sistpoty> highvoltage: exit on error
[03:36] <siretart> highvoltage: the script will abort if any command fails
[03:37] <siretart> highvoltage: handy for debugging and for getting users to report usable bugs
[03:37] <siretart> reports
[03:38] <sistpoty> hm... this is strange, i didn't see any warnings in the buildlog of scorched3d
[03:38] <ajmitch_> highvoltage: it's about 2400 lines into the manpage, which is why you didn't see it ;)
[03:39] <pef> hi
[03:39] <sistpoty> hi pef
[03:40] <highvoltage> ah ok, thanks :)
[03:41] <siretart> hm. first patch for scorched3d.. hmm
[03:41] <ajmitch_> hello pef
[03:42] <siretart> but this one seems to have no problems with amd64/gcc-4.0 :)
[03:42] <siretart> so updated openal would be a benefit
[03:45] <ajmitch_> what is the current version of openal in breezy, and what is the new version?
[03:47] <siretart> ajmitch_: see http://packages.qa.debian.org/openal
[03:48] <ajmitch_> yeah, quite a version change between the 2
[03:48] <siretart> jupp
[03:48] <ajmitch_> are they API/ABI compatible?
[03:48] <siretart> but it seems required for scorched3d
[03:48] <siretart> not sure..
[03:50] <ajmitch_> different SONAME, so anything depending will need rebuilt
[03:52] <ajmitch_> why doesn't scorched3d list it as a build dep?
[03:52] <siretart> ok. at least it has a .shlibs file (there was a bug about this)
[03:52] <siretart> ajmitch_: scorched3d version 39 (the new upstream version) needs that
[03:53] <ajmitch_> right
[03:53] <siretart> ok, -39 build succeeded, segfaults instantly :(
[03:53] <siretart> in 32bit chroot
[03:53] <ajmitch_> which isn't in sid
[03:53] <siretart> jepp
[03:53] <siretart> I upgraded locally here for testing
[03:53] <sistpoty> hm... dou you have a buildlog of the current version?
[03:54] <\sh> ok...writing my installation report...bbl
[03:55] <siretart> sistpoty: sure: http://siretart.tauware.de/scorched3d_39-1_i386.build
[03:57] <sistpoty> siretart: erm... i mean amd64 ;)
[03:57] <sistpoty> siretart: and the current version, not the new one
[03:57] <siretart> sistpoty: no, I want to concentrate ind i386 first. here, it segfaults instantly :/
[03:57] <sistpoty> ok
[04:03] <sistpoty> cya later
[04:03] <highvoltage> is a debian-metapackage just a package that contains no files, but with dependencies, or is there another way that it should be done?
[04:04] <sivang> highvoltage: I thnk you are right for most o fthe cases
[04:04] <ajmitch_> highvoltage: generally, yes
[04:04] <sivang> ajmitch_: :)
[04:05] <sivang> ajmitch_: however, I can imagine a meta pakcage that does has some sort of files, conffiles maybe ?
[04:05] <ajmitch_> sivang: I don't think it would be very meta then
[04:05] <sivang> ajmitch_: right sorry, I was more thinkg in an OOP way :)
[04:07] <ajmitch_> stalled on conffile question.. still got a bunch of packages to go :)
[04:07] <Lathiat> heh
[04:07] <Lathiat> i love that
[04:08] <ajmitch_> aha, thuban finally uploaded, mbreit can be happy now :)
[04:14] <highvoltage> ajmitch_: i just found something that needs to be packaged, although it's a bit soon atm.
[04:14] <highvoltage> ajmitch_: http://pc.ign.com/articles/641/641567p1.html
[04:16] <ajmitch_> highvoltage: is it on UniverseCandidates?
[04:16] <ajmitch_> if not, put it there :)
[04:17] <ajmitch_> and the game engine alone isn't useful
[04:17] <ajmitch_> perhaps for breezy+1 it could be packaged
[04:17] <highvoltage> true.
[04:18] <highvoltage> i think it's great though. it might open the door to future gpl games.
[04:19] <ajmitch_> possibly
[04:19] <ajmitch_> but that's a future thing to look at :)
[04:19] <ajmitch_> we only have ~8-9 weeks until release
[04:23] <ajmitch_> herve: the debdiff of zope 2.7 looks a lot lot bigger between debian & ubuntu than the changelog would indicate - have a number of ubuntu changelog entries been dropped?
[04:23] <ajmitch_> herve: I'm writing up summaries of the debdiffs that there are (currently 44 of them)
[04:24] <herve> the point is that the debian one makes changes directly into the source
[04:24] <herve> doko and I moved them to dpatches
[04:24] <herve> also the package from unstable doesn't use zope-common and debhelper-zope yet
[04:24] <ajmitch_> alright, that's good
[04:24] <herve> this makes drop debconf templates and alike
[04:25] <ajmitch_> yeah, and prerm scripts
[04:25] <ajmitch_> & postrm, etc :)
[04:25] <herve> yada yada -:)
[04:26] <ajmitch_> http://ajmitch.meta.net.nz/debuild/ubuntu/tmp/zope/REVIEW for what I've started on
[04:26] <ajmitch_> talked with madduck, kobold, etc and will post this to the list ASAP
[04:26] <ajmitch_> get some integration discussion going :)
[04:27] <herve> most of the ubuntu versions will be dropped in the near future
[04:27] <herve> I mean after breezy :-)
[04:27] <ajmitch_> of course
[04:27] <ajmitch_> that's what I'm trying to do ;)
[04:27] <herve> I don't know when fabio will upload to unstable
[04:27] <ajmitch_> no point duplicating the work in debian, just use the ubuntu changes if possible
[04:28] <HostingGeek> can xchat-gnome be rebuilt
[04:28] <HostingGeek> preferbly use xchat-common for the common files
[04:28] <HostingGeek> it only needs the stuff in the folder fe-gnome
[04:29] <Lathiat> your welcome to fix it
[04:29] <HostingGeek> Lathiat: yea it takes more time for one of you to review it...
[04:29] <HostingGeek> Lathiat: all it is a simple change in configure.in
[04:29] <Lathiat> so patch it and give it to someone
[04:29] <HostingGeek> and some dependces changes
[04:30] <Lathiat> feel free to give it to me
[04:30] <ajmitch_> you'd have to give us more than those vague answers
[04:30] <ajmitch_> 'some dependces changes' really doesn't tell us much
[04:30] <HostingGeek> and can we make work with ubuntu-desktop
[04:30] <ajmitch_> no
[04:31] <HostingGeek> I am thinking of making xchat a dummy package
[04:31] <ajmitch_> it would need to be seeded to main for that
[04:31] <HostingGeek> change the current xchat into xchat-gtk
[04:32] <HostingGeek> anyway I need to stab seb128
[04:32] <HostingGeek> brb
[04:32] <Lathiat> bah i just remembered why i stopped using gnome-terminal apart from the speed
[04:33] <HostingGeek> --- seb128 :No such nick/channel
[04:33] <Lathiat> that stupid irssi/screen bug
[04:33] <Lathiat> HostingGeek: yes he didn't want to be stabbed
[04:33] <HostingGeek> Lathiat: so you use x-g?
[04:33] <Lathiat> no
[04:33] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: which bug was that?
[04:33] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: the screen goes all black or all blue
[04:33] <HostingGeek> Lathiat: I don't want my changes to be ubuntu only... they should be added to debian
[04:33] <Lathiat> used to happen all the time
[04:33] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: ah
[04:33] <Lathiat> these days usually only starts happening after you change the theme/size/open a tab/font dpi
[04:34] <Lathiat> but i just had a similar issue with vim
[04:34] <Lathiat> its gotten worse :\
[04:34] <Lathiat> i was using mrxvt
[04:34] <HostingGeek> Lathiat: if not we will make Ian Murduk very anrgy!!!
[04:34] <Lathiat> which is great but you cant shade the transparent background
[04:34] <ajmitch_> HostingGeek: so talk to the debian maintainer
[04:34] <Lathiat> and it doesnt do utf8
[04:34] <HostingGeek> ajmitch_: hehehe
[04:34] <herve> Lathiat, gnome-terminal lately got a real speed improvement
[04:34] <HostingGeek> Davide Puricelli (evo) <[email protected]>
[04:35] <HostingGeek> evo is not on this network
[04:35] <herve> and I use it everyday, I don't have to complain about the speed
[04:35] <ajmitch_> HostingGeek: so what? use email, like other people do
[04:35] <herve> though I don't watch DVDs using ascii art ;-)
[04:35] <Lathiat> herve: yeh its not too bad
[04:35] <Lathiat> sucks if your scrolling line by line
[04:35] <HostingGeek> ajmitch_: I am no email user
[04:35] <Lathiat> on afullscreen terminal
[04:35] <Lathiat> tho
[04:35] <HostingGeek> ajmitch_: I will never use email
[04:35] <Lathiat> but its the irssi bug that annoys me really
[04:35] <HostingGeek> ajmitch_: its got to many problems
[04:35] <Lathiat> HostingGeek: Go away
[04:35] <ajmitch_> HostingGeek: well then don't complain that your pet changes don't get adopted, if you're not willing to communicate
[04:37] <HostingGeek> ajmitch_: its not my changes... anyone would of thought of them they are the make whats insane... sane
[04:37] <ajmitch_> whatever
[04:41] <ajmitch_> herve: I wonder if we can justify getting zope 2.7.7 in :)
[04:41] <herve> with Zope always, because there are always ZODB fixes
[04:41] <herve> but a freeze is a freeze
[04:42] <herve> and never freeze again what has been unfreezen ;-)
[04:42] <ajmitch_> hehe
[04:42] <herve> now it's b***p***s concerns
[04:43] <ajmitch_> I'm more concerned with being able to use plone 2.1, etc
[04:43] <herve> plone 2.1 won't enter breezy anyway
[04:43] <ajmitch_> universe UVF is more flexible than main, but we'd still have to get approval from someone
[04:43] <ajmitch_> I know it won't, but people will want to run it on breezy
[04:44] <ajmitch_> so they'd need to run zope from source as well
[04:44] <herve> and plone 2.1 has strong requirements for Zope 2.7.7?
[04:44] <ajmitch_> no big pain for them
[04:45] <ajmitch_> yes, plone 2.1 requires 2.7.7 according to #321405
[04:45] <ajmitch_> I haven't checked it myself
[04:46] <herve> this is a debian bug number,
[04:46] <herve> ?
[04:46] <ajmitch_> yes :)
[04:46] <ajmitch_> ubuntu doesn't have quite that many bugs yet ;)
[04:47] <herve> hey! there's a stylesheet on the bugs page!
[04:47] <ajmitch_> "requires Zope 2.7.7 or 2.8.1 and Python 2.3.5 installed"
[04:47] <ajmitch_> yeah, it's a good improvement
[04:47] <ajmitch_> plone 2.1 is only at rc2 anyway
[04:48] <herve> I'm looking for the "why"
[04:48] <ajmitch_> so I guess it's not too urgent
[04:49] <herve> wow! 7.6 MB for a plone tarball
[04:50] <ajmitch_> it's getting heavy
[04:50] <ajmitch_> you're right, I'd say that with plone 2.1 being a way off, then we don't want to break freeze
[04:50] <ajmitch_> http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.7.7b1/CHANGES.txt doesn't have enough compelling reasons :)
[04:51] <herve> as I told you, I focus on ZODB bugfixes
[04:51] <ajmitch_> right
[04:52] <ajmitch_> I mainly care about zope upgrades for memory issues, and plone compatibility
[04:52] <herve> ok I admit, I mainly care to move over from zope ;-)
[04:52] <herve> that was the beta1 changes
[04:52] <ajmitch_> heh
[04:53] <herve> zope 2.7.7 final removes a possible zodb fscking
[04:53] <ajmitch_> ok
[04:53] <ajmitch_> that changes list was linked from the 2.7.7 folder
[04:54] <herve> maybe after having drunk too much at a zope sprint ;-)
[04:54] <ajmitch_> :)
[05:00] <herve> I couldn't find the reason
[05:00] <herve> there is a reference to a hidden feature of zpt
[05:00] <herve> but the change doesn't seem to have been accepted
[05:01] <herve> or it was but this feature only works since zope 2.7.7
[05:01] <herve> but still undocumented
[05:02] <ajmitch_> ok, we'll stick with 2.7.4 then?
[05:03] <herve> we'll stick with zope ;-)
[05:04] <ajmitch_> herve: what, you don't want to move everything to ruby on rails? ;)
[05:04] <herve> no, no
[05:05] <herve> I'm not keen on buzzwords :-)
[05:05] <ajmitch_> hehe
[05:08] <ajmitch_> 3am, I'd better go to bed if I can sleep :)
[05:08] <herve> sure thing :-)
[05:08] <herve> good night
[05:09] <ajmitch_> night
[05:11] <slomo> hmm... python-gtk2 is missing a depend to python-cairo...
[05:12] <herve> I saw that yes
[05:12] <Lathiat> yeh
[05:12] <herve> but I don't know if it's a real dependency
[05:12] <Lathiat> i emailed seb128 about it
[05:12] <Lathiat> it is
[05:12] <slomo> herve: at least it doesn't work without it ;)
[05:13] <herve> or because scripts use "from gtk import *" :-)
[05:13] <slomo> Lathiat: ok, fine :)
[05:13] <Lathiat> herve: nah, you need it
[05:13] <Lathiat> import gtk fails too
[05:13] <Lathiat> as gtk imports it
[05:13] <herve> ha ok, good reason then -:)
[05:19] <slomo> ...and libid3 or easytag is broken... ;) nice
[05:19] <tseng> good thing there is cowbell
[05:19] <Lathiat> bling
[05:20] <slomo> tseng: yes... but it currently is missing a function i need ;) filling the tags by parsing the filename
[05:21] <tseng> mmm file bugs
[05:21] <tseng> he fixed mine in no time
[05:24] <slomo> yeah later... first i try to fix id3lib or easytag ;)
[05:29] <slomo> ok, we need to sync easytag from debian ;) elmo doesn't work on weekends?
[05:34] <herve> rarely
[05:35] <slomo> hm... well i sent him a mail ;)
[05:36] <Lathiat> because hes been busy?
[05:57] <pef> how can I remove config.{guess,sub} from my .diff.gz ? deleting them from debian/rules clean target doesn't work
[06:19] <sivang> pef: When I have my patchesd ready (using simple-patchsys or dpath) I just get a freash source pkg,
[06:19] <sivang> pef: then drop the patches into debian/patches
[06:19] <sivang> pef: and debuild -S
[06:19] <sivang> pef: works every time
[06:20] <sivang> pef: so usually I have one source tree where I produce diffs/patches in, and one for creating the source pkg for "shipping" :)
[06:29] <herve> hmm... I use a single tree for that
[06:33] <pef> sivang: will try this, thanks for the tip
[06:34] <pef> sivang: have you the gpg error with debuild ? "gpg: problem with the agent - disabling agent use"
[06:35] <highvoltage> i have a directory full of .deb files, how can I get a list of all the package names without the _0.0.0-1ubuntu_arch.deb part?
[06:35] <Lathiat> |cut -d_ -f1 ? :)
[06:36] <herve> basename maybe
[06:36] <highvoltage> Lathiat: wow, I never new about the cut command. thanks!
[06:37] <sivang> pef: I never paid attention to the GPG waring/error messages while debuiling, I lost my signed key, so when I'll get a new one I will start tackeling this :)
[06:42] <sivang> pef: but I don't recall this error from the builds I've done
[06:42] <pef> sivang: It seems to ba a known bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=322208
[06:42] <sivang> pef: maybe because I havn't entered my GPG Key I don't get this error
[06:42] <pef> sivang: debuild put config.{guess,sub} in diff.gz too :/
[06:43] <sivang> pef: that's weird, have you tried deblcean ?
[06:43] <sivang> pef: sorry, debclean ?
[06:52] <pef> sivang: already have theses files... probably a problem in upstram tarball _again_ (already a debian layout)
[06:52] <pef> but thanks for the info :)
[06:52] <pef> have to leave
[06:52] <pef> bye !
[07:00] <Seveas> Hello masters :)
[07:00] <Seveas> can anybody help me getting rid of a pbuilder error?
[07:02] <Seveas> Hi Mez
[07:03] <Mez> hyey
[07:03] <Seveas> Do you know your way around pbuilder?
[07:04] <Mez> pretty much
[07:04] <Mez> why
[07:04] <Seveas> I'm new to it and getting an error
[07:04] <Seveas> just did a pbuilder create
[07:04] <Seveas> and now a pbuilder build
[07:04] <Seveas> and this happens: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1232
[07:05] <Seveas> Any clue on what to do?
[07:07] <Mez> probably a new apt version gone wrong
[07:07] <Seveas> hmm
[07:07] <Seveas> what to do..?
[07:08] <Mez> no idea
[07:08] <Seveas> dang
[07:11] <sivang> Seveas: you need to force installation of un authenticated pakcages, so it seems
[07:11] <Seveas> how can I do that with pbuilder? -y --force-yes does it for apt outside pbuilder
[07:11] <sivang> Seveas: you need to try to pass the suggested comand line args, if it didn't ask you to confirm installation of the unauthenticated packagtes - like it did for me
[07:12] <Seveas> ok, so if I say pbuilder -y --force yes, it will pass these arguments on to apt?
[07:12] <sivang> let's try :)
[07:13] <sivang> usually, that's the way you give pbuilder args to pass to apt?
[07:13] <Seveas> it does not work
[07:13] <Seveas> and I'm new to pbuilder (I didn't use it until an hour ago) so whatever you tell me I take for granted :)
[07:14] <sivang> Seveas: oh, then let me check around a bit more, I know it alwasy asked me ti say "yes" on the untrusted packages. :)
[07:14] <Seveas> it does not even ask me
[07:14] <Seveas> it simply fails
[07:15] <Seveas> the manpages for pbuilder and pbuilderrc have not helped me yet
[07:17] <Seveas> OVERRIDE_APTLINES=no
[07:18] <Seveas> pbuilder dumpconfig says that
[07:18] <Seveas> maybe that can do something? (I hate undocumented features :))
[07:20] <Lathiat> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[07:21] <Seveas> but of course
[07:21] <Seveas> how stupid of me
[07:21] <Seveas> thank you
[07:21] <Lathiat> nps
[07:23] <HostingGeek> OMG!!!!
[07:23] <HostingGeek> we need google browser packages ASAP
[07:23] <HostingGeek> http://sourceforge.net/projects/gbrowser/
[07:23] <HostingGeek> lets be the first distro to get it
[07:23] <HostingGeek> you got 23min to package build and post in the reps
[07:24] <HostingGeek> I am submittiing it to slashdot now saying ubuntu is getting a package as we talk
[07:24] <thierry> and to who are you talking?
[07:24] <Lathiat> Feel free to throw yourself off a cliff at the first available oppurtunity.
[07:24] <thierry> ho ok sorry
[07:25] <Lathiat> (i was talking to HostingGeek, not you thierry)
[07:25] <sivang> Lathiat: lol
[07:25] <thierry> Lathiat : I've been building gnome-chemical-utils and it build nicely and install great and it's in the unmet dependencies list... what do I do now?
[07:25] <thierry> Lathiat : that's alright
[07:25] <Lathiat> thierry: What changes did you make? just a rebuild?
[07:25] <Lathiat> sivang: you think im joking? :)
[07:26] <HostingGeek> ITS GOOGLE!!!!
[07:26] <HostingGeek> we packages for them!
[07:26] <sivang> HostingGeek: not everybody like google, you know :)
[07:26] <thierry> Lathiat : yes and the /usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydepends you've learn me yesterday
[07:26] <Lathiat> and your annoying, i retract my previous comment, and ask that you make the time to do it now.
[07:26] <Seveas> (note: there is a reason that HostingGeek is banned on #ubuntu)
[07:26] <Lathiat> thierry: Cool, so you could provide a debdiff to someone to review
[07:26] <Lathiat> Seveas: yeh i wish he was klined
[07:27] <thierry> Lathiat : a debdiff of what? I didn't change anything! If I do a changelof what should I write? rebuilded and works fine ?
[07:27] <Lathiat> thierry: what were the unmet deps?
[07:28] <thierry> don't know I didn't changed anything... I just did /usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydepends and everything worked
[07:28] <Lathiat> i mean
[07:28] <Lathiat> whats on the unmet list
[07:28] <Lathiat> let me look
[07:29] <thierry> k... tell me when you'll find it because I really don't know what you're talking aboutr
[07:29] <Lathiat> ok in this case it was due to libopenbabel's C++ transition
[07:29] <Lathiat> so an appropriate changelog entry si
[07:29] <Lathiat> * Rebuild to complete C++ transition.
[07:29] <Lathiat> and make sure the version is Xubuntu1
[07:29] <Lathiat> and not X+1
[07:30] <thierry> k
[07:31] <thierry> Lathiat : but how did you see that it was due to libopenbabel's C++ transition?
[07:32] <Lathiat> thierry: because i looked in apt-cache unmet, and the reason it wouldnt install was due to a missing libopenbabel package
[07:32] <Lathiat> so i did a apt-cache search libopenbabel
[07:32] <Lathiat> and saw there is now libopenbabel0c2
[07:32] <Lathiat> and the c2 stuff on packages means they were C++ and had to be changed/rebuilt for GCC4s new C++ ABI
[07:32] <Lathiat> but that package hadnt been rebuilt against it yet
[07:35] <slomo> HostingGeek: where do you read that gbrowser is something made by google?
[07:39] <HostingGeek> hehehe
[07:40] <HostingGeek> slomo: gbrowser.com is probberly owned by this project and they changed the whois info for fun lol
[07:44] <Lathiat> slomo: He's being his usual self, just ignore him
[07:49] <Seveas> Lathiat, yeah! after the wiki instructions it works
[07:49] <Seveas> thanks again :)
[07:49] <Lathiat> Seveas: :)
[07:50] <Seveas> MOTU here I come *g*
[07:56] <thierry> Lathiat : I have a problem , when I do "sudo dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -S" to get my new .dsc with gnome-chemistry-utils , I get an error
[07:57] <Lathiat> thierry: which is
[07:58] <thierry> Lathiat : I'll paste it in a private message
[08:20] <HostingGeek> you can use #flood
[08:23] <Lathiat> private message works fine
[08:43] <Seveas> I just completed my first real package ever, hug me :)
[08:45] <tseng> slomo: are there any more deps pending for gst-plguins-multiverse?
[08:45] <Yagisan> Seveas: What did you build ?
[08:46] <slomo> tseng: dirac
[08:46] <slomo> but that's it
[08:46] <Seveas> Yagisan, gnome-sudoku
[08:47] <tseng> slomo: hm rock on
[08:48] <slomo> tseng: please look at dirac and vote ;) there are just 2 votes missing...
[08:48] <tseng> i did
[08:48] <Yagisan> Seveas: What's that ? a replacement for gnome-sudo ?
[08:49] <slomo> tseng: thanks :)
[08:49] <Seveas> Yagisan, I packaged gnome-sudoku
[08:49] <Seveas> lol :)
[08:49] <Seveas> no, it's a japanese puzzle game
[08:50] <Yagisan> what's sudoku ?
[08:50] <Seveas> 9x9 number puzzle
[08:50] <Seveas> every line and row should contain all numbers 1--9 exactly once
[08:51] <Seveas> and every 3x3 subsquare (so 9 of them) should also fulfull that requirement
[08:51] <Seveas> really cool, i'm completely addicted to it :)
[08:51] <Yagisan> Ah, I understand now.
[08:52] <Seveas> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1234 <-- screenshot
[08:53] <Yagisan> I have a really dumb question, but I'll ask anyway. How would I fix this lintian error
[08:53] <Yagisan> E: deng: shlib-with-executable-bit usr/games/deng/lib/libjdoom.so.0.0.0 0755
[08:55] <tseng> chmod -x it in rules
[08:55] <tseng> binary-predeb maybe
[08:55] <Yagisan> I put chmod 644 debian/deng/usr/games/deng/lib/* into debian/rules but it didn't work
[08:56] <Yagisan> binary-predeb ?
[08:56] <tseng> the target
[08:58] <shawarma> Hi! When I use one of the 2.6.12 kernels, during boot it switches to a screen with a Ubuntu heading and a white box in the bottom half of the screen. I guess that box is supposed to contain boot mesages and such, but is it supposed to work now?
[08:59] <shawarma> On my system it doesn't change, but after a while (7-8 seconds, I guess), it goes away and boot continues normally.
[09:00] <shawarma> ...or is that just another thing that's weird about my install?
[09:10] <\sh> re
[09:32] <shawarma> Ok, what I'm seeing is apparantly the usplash thing.. Who is working on that?
[09:33] <sladen> shawarma: mjg59
[09:34] <shawarma> sladen: Thanks
[09:34] <\sh> sladen: I just red your report on your thinkpad r52
[09:34] <\sh> s/red/read/
[09:37] <sladen> \sh: any useful comments?
[09:38] <\sh> it's very complete :) did u try a breezy colony install?
[09:40] <Seveas> Lintian is puzzling me, can anyone explain this:
[09:40] <Seveas> E: gnome-sudoku: python-script-but-no-python-dep ./usr/bin/gnome-sudoku
[09:40] <Seveas> And I have this in debian/control
[09:40] <Seveas> Depends: ${python:Depends}, python2.4-gtk2 >= 2.3.93, python2.4-glade2, python2.4-gnome2, python2.4-gnome2-extras, python2.4-imaging
[09:42] <\sh> what about python2.4 as dep?
[09:42] <Seveas> python:Depends=python (<< 2.5), python (>= 2.4)
[09:42] <Seveas> wouldn't that do it?
[09:43] <\sh> should work
[09:43] <Seveas> (it's wat dh_python gave)
[09:43] <\sh> jesus...this baby is getting hot...wow..
[09:44] <slomo> \sh: don't burn you legs ;)
[09:44] <Seveas> puzzle 2: debian/$package/DEBIAN/control contains no Depends: line at all :S
[09:45] <\sh> slomo: hehe
[09:46] <\sh> hmm...and it doesn't have any stereo output possibility this baby.
[09:47] <slomo> hm i think i'll make a new package this evening... fatsort ;)
[09:57] <Seveas> OK, linda shuts up now, but can someone help me with this weird error?
[09:58] <Seveas> No Depens: line in .dsc even though there is one in debian/control
[10:12] <Seveas> No MOTU awake I guess :(
[10:12] <Seveas> ah well, I'll try again later :)
[10:12] <sivang> ok guys, I'm at home now - anything quick I can help with?
[10:13] <Seveas> well, I need a bit help :)
[10:14] <sivang> Seveas: yeah, shoot
[10:14] <Seveas> OK, linda shuts up now, but can someone help me with this weird error?
[10:14] <Seveas> No Depends: line in .dsc even though there is one in debian/control
[10:15] <Seveas> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1239 debian/control and debian/$package/DEBIAN/control
[10:15] <Seveas> I don't see where it goes wrong
[10:17] <Seveas> I appreciate any help, this is my first package :)
[10:18] <sivang> ! there's already a sudoku game for gnome??
[10:18] <Seveas> yeah
[10:18] <Seveas> I'm so addicted to it :)
[10:19] <sivang> Seveas: where is the source package?
[10:19] <Seveas> gnome-sudoku.sf.net
[10:19] <Seveas> It's a simply python distutils package, I'm using cdbs for the debfile
[10:20] <sivang> Seveas: Do you mind if I give it a try?
[10:20] <Seveas> of course not, I can give you what I tried so far
[10:21] <Seveas> http://blackbird.kaarsemaker.net/~dennis/sudoku.tar.gz
[10:23] <sivang> Seveas: Ok, I will try with that since I don't know what cdbs foo you need to add in order to package python stuff - I'll copycat fro your rules file :)
[10:24] <sivang> Seveas: all I did for now was mostly gnome GTK packaging
[10:24] <Seveas> it's simply adding the manpage (which i wrote) and commenting out some stuff in setup.py
[10:24] <sivang> Seveas: I've unpacked your source pkg , let's se the debuild error
[10:24] <Seveas> pbuilder goes fine
[10:25] <Seveas> only lintian borks
[10:25] <sivang> Seveas: ah, ok, sec
[10:25] <Seveas> given that there is no Depends:, i can see why :)
[10:29] <Seveas> any luck yet?
[10:29] <sivang> Seveas: second, sorry
[10:32] <Seveas> I'm not in a hurry, just eager to know what I did wrong :)
[10:33] <sivang> 'build/bdist.linux-i686' does not exist -- can't clean it
[10:33] <sivang> ^^ ?
[10:34] <sivang> Seveas: you have any idea what is this? :)
[10:34] <Seveas> yeah, crapola from setup.py
[10:34] <Seveas> I still need to clean that thing out
[10:35] <sivang> Seveas: so how did you build it? :)
[10:35] <Seveas> But I found a better errordescription by running dpkg-gencontrol manually:
[10:35] <Seveas> dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${python:Depends}
[10:35] <sivang> Seveas: ah you see, you can already teach me pacakging
[10:35] <Seveas> that build/bdist stuff is not fatal
[10:39] <sivang> Seveas: k
[10:39] <ajmitch_> morning all
[10:39] <sivang> mornign ajmitch_
[10:39] <sivang> Seveas: mayeb you need to wrtie python as Python ?
[10:39] <sivang> Seveas: it does not recognize the subst var
[10:39] <Seveas> ok, adding a -T to dpkg-gencotrol (which presumably dh_* does) worked
[10:39] <Seveas> but did not solve the original error
[10:39] <Seveas> still no Depends: line in DEBIAN/control or .dsc
[10:39] <ajmitch_> you are using dh_python, right?
[10:40] <sivang> Seveas: I have a feeling ajmitch_ can be of more help to you :)
[10:40] <ajmitch_> cdbs... show us your debian/rules
[10:41] <ajmitch_> sivang: not much, I have to leave for work 'real soon now; ;)
[10:41] <Seveas> DAMNIT
[10:41] <Seveas> sorrym I just found the error
[10:41] <ajmitch_> Seveas: oh? :)
[10:41] <Seveas> very stupid mistake
[10:41] <ajmitch_> mistakes usually are
[10:41] <Seveas> Depends: ${python:Depends}, python2.4-gtk2 >= 2.3.93, python2.4-glade2, python2.4-gnome2, python2.4-gnome2-extras, python2.4-imaging
[10:41] <Seveas> try to spot it
[10:41] <ajmitch_> the missing brackets for the version?
[10:41] <Seveas> yup
[10:41] <Seveas> been searching for that error for quite some time now
[10:41] <sivang> Seveas: what missing brackets?
[10:41] <Seveas> Depends: ${python:Depends}, python2.4-gtk2 (>=2.3.93), python2.4-glade2, python2.4-gnome2, python2.4-gnome2-extras, python2.4-imaging
[10:41] <Seveas> sivang, spot the difference
[10:42] <sivang> Seveas: ah :)
[10:42] <sivang> Seveas: got it now
[10:42] <sivang> Seveas: I guess I'm too tired after a day's work to be helping anyone ;-)
[10:42] <Seveas> hehe
[10:43] <Seveas> W: gnome-sudoku source: native-package-with-dash-version
[10:43] <Seveas> W: gnome-sudoku source: build-depends-without-arch-dep
[10:43] <Seveas> last 2 lintian messages to solve
[10:43] <ajmitch_> Seveas: make sure you have an orig.tar.gz, *not* just a tar.gz
[10:44] <ajmitch_> and you have no Build-Depends line at all
[10:44] <Seveas> shouldn't dh_make do that?
[10:44] <Seveas> I have a build-depends line
[10:44] <ajmitch_> s/Build-Depends/Build-Depends-Indep/
[10:44] <Seveas> right...
[10:45] <ajmitch_> dh_make? you're using cdbs...
[10:45] <Seveas> dh_make os for the initial debianization...
[10:45] <Seveas> s/os/is/
[10:45] <ajmitch_> ugh
[10:45] <tseng> cp -a tomboy-0.3.2/debian .
[10:45] <tseng> edit
[10:45] <tseng> debianization :)
[10:45] <ajmitch_> ok, I've got to run to work, I'll be back later
[10:46] <Seveas> (maint-guide quote)
[10:47] <ajmitch_> Seveas: just change Build-Depends to Build-Depends-Indep
[10:47] <Seveas> how to solve the other one?
[10:47] <ajmitch_> use the upstream tarball as orig.tar.gz
[10:47] <Seveas> ah wait, got it
[10:47] <sivang> Seveas: I'm leaving as well. Bed time :-/
[10:48] <sivang> (work tommorow)
[10:48] <\sh> cu tomorrow
[10:54] <Seveas> yeah!
[10:54] <Seveas> no more linda/lintian messages :)
[10:55] <Seveas> thanks sivang & ajmitch_
[10:56] <sivang> Seveas: hey, I didn't help at all :)
[10:56] <Seveas> the mental support was good :)
[10:57] <Seveas> wanna have the deb?
[10:57] <Treenaks> Seveas: omg.. you're creating debs now? :P
[10:57] <Seveas> Treenaks, yes :)
[10:57] <Seveas> Well, just one actually
[10:57] <Seveas> and ogra will be mad - he prefers not tu use cdbs :)
[10:58] <Treenaks> sivang: </serious> I tried to stop him, and you helped him?!
[10:58] <Treenaks> Seveas: CDBS _is_ arse. use dpatch
[10:58] <tseng> wait what?
[10:58] <Treenaks> tseng: cdbs is arese
[10:58] <Treenaks> whoa..
[10:58] <tseng> apples + oranges = pears
[10:58] <Treenaks> arse, even
[10:58] <Seveas> ehrm cdbs and dpatch are different things...
[10:58] <Treenaks> Seveas: yes
[10:59] <tseng> what does dpatch have to do with anything
[10:59] <Seveas> cdbs made my rules file 10 lines long
[10:59] <Treenaks> tseng:
[10:59] <Seveas> I take that as a big plus
[10:59] <sivang> Seveas: heheh, I didn't! I tried to fidn out the problem he ws having, and didn't get it at all :)
[10:59] <Treenaks> tseng: "dpatch is similar to dbs" according to its description
[10:59] <sivang> Treenaks: daniels thinks cdbs is plain evil
[10:59] <sivang> :)
[10:59] <tseng> dude come ON
[10:59] <Treenaks> tseng: isn't cdbs a "version" of DBS then?
[10:59] <tseng> cdbs = abstraction for debian/rules makefile
[10:59] <tseng> dpatch = patch management system
[11:00] <Treenaks> tseng: inclusing abstraction for debian/rules
[11:00] <Treenaks> including
[11:00] <Seveas> Treenaks, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1242
[11:00] <Seveas> my debian/rules
[11:00] <Treenaks> Seveas: yes, which makes it less transparent for people who don't know a lot of cdbs
[11:00] <Seveas> well, they should learn it :)
[11:00] <Treenaks> (or about it)
[11:00] <tseng> Treenaks: no, dbs has nothing to do with it
[11:01] <Treenaks> tseng: Make an inheritance diagram then
[11:01] <tseng> ok
[11:01] <tseng> dpatch > dbs
[11:01] <tseng> and on the other side of the page
[11:01] <tseng> cdbs
[11:01] <tseng> with absolutely no connection
[11:01] <sivang> Seveas: cdbs is ok, if you know the underlying stuff to solve when things go rough beneath
[11:02] <Seveas> tseng, no connection other than that cdbs can use dpatch :)
[11:02] <Treenaks> tseng: then $they shouldn't have given it such a similar name
[11:02] <Seveas> sivang, true, but that's the same for debhelper or $whatever
[11:02] <tseng> Treenaks: uh. right.
[11:03] <Seveas> I'm new to packaging, but I could find this error searching through manpages and cdbs files
[11:03] <Treenaks> tseng: I mean.. cdebconf is like debconf right? so why isn't cdbs like dbs?
[11:03] <Seveas> so it's not that hard :)
[11:03] <Seveas> cdebconf = c implementation of debconf
[11:04] <Seveas> cdbs = common debian build system
[11:04] <ajmitch_> Treenaks: cdbs is *like* dbs in that it helps you build debian packages
[11:04] <tseng> Treenaks: because its entirely possible for short acronyms to overlap in potentially confusing ways?
[11:04] <tseng> especially when they share one or more letters
[11:04] <Treenaks> tseng: make them longer :)
[11:04] <Seveas> anyway, sorry for raising the temperature in here
[11:04] <Seveas> i'm going to sleep
[11:04] <Seveas> g'night all
[11:05] <Treenaks> you're not using control.in are you? :P
[11:05] <sivang> Seveas: I was thinking of dh_* as the underlying beneath :)
[11:05] <sivang> Seveas: night!
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[07:40] <fabbione> Mithrandir: there is very little point in adding modules to kernel-wedge.
[07:40] <fabbione> if you need to ship modules, you need to do it directly from the kernel.
[07:40] <fabbione> we removed the "lists" dependencies between kernel and kernel-wedge
[09:34] <Mithrandir> fabbione: how do I do that? I didn't see a way.
[09:35] <fabbione> Mithrandir: debian/d-i/
[09:36] <fabbione> there is shared/ that has the same meaning as adding a module to kernel-wedge
[09:36] <fabbione> the trick is in what you include in the unionfs-modules per arch
[09:36] <fabbione> instead of <unionfs>
[09:36] <fabbione> that would be "shared/unionfs"
[09:37] <fabbione> but if unionfs udebs are required, just remind me on monday
[09:37] <fabbione> i need to unfuck the baz repo first
[09:37] <fabbione> and open proper devel branch first
[09:37] <Mithrandir> I did that, but kernel-wedge gen-control didn't output anything about unionfs-modukes
[09:37] <Mithrandir> modules, even
[09:37] <fabbione> Mithrandir: you still need to tell that you want the module in a per arch specific way
[09:38] <fabbione> and note that kernel-wedge is stupid
[09:38] <Mithrandir> yes, but gen-control needs to have a description and so on, that seems to go into kernel-wedge.
[09:38] <fabbione> if you check the debian/rules, you will see that we copy the info in another dir to make them available to kernel-wedge
[09:38] <fabbione> Mithrandir: you can always override it locally
[09:38] <Mithrandir> how?
[09:39] <fabbione> anyway did you commit anything about this into baz?
[09:39] <Mithrandir> not yet
[09:39] <fabbione> if so in which branch??
[09:39] <fabbione> ojk
[09:39] <fabbione> ok
[09:39] <Mithrandir> overriding where modules goes (per arch) is easy, but you can't _add_ modules without touching kernel-wedge, or at least it seems that way to me.
[09:39] <fabbione> Mithrandir: debian/d-i/$arch/package-list iirc or very similar
[09:40] <fabbione> Mithrandir: nah.. we override all the lists of modules from kernel-wedge
[09:40] <fabbione> anyway, don't worry..
[09:40] <fabbione> we will look at it tomorrow after i get a proper baz branch and stuff
[09:40] <fabbione> sunday.. last day of holidays :)
[09:41] <Mithrandir> shouldn't there be a description too in the package-list?
[09:42] <Mithrandir> and shouldn't there be a shared/package-list too?
[09:44] <fabbione> Mithrandir: description can be added to arch/packages-list
[09:44] <fabbione> shared/package-list is not taken into account afaik
[09:44] <fabbione> last time i did check kernel-wedge code it only use the global provided by kernel-wedge and per arch specific one
[09:47] <Mithrandir> ok
[05:06] <zul> hey
[05:17] <zul> fabbione: are you around?
/boot/config-2.6.10-5-k7:CONFIG_PREEMPT=y
/boot/config-2.6.12-6-k7:# CONFIG_PREEMPT is not set
so... preempt has been turned off in later packages?
[10:18] <mdz> Diablo-D3: you seem to have answered your own question before asking it :-)
[11:18] <Diablo-D3> mdz: hrm?
[11:18] <Diablo-D3> thats the question Im asking, btw
[11:18] <Diablo-D3> I dont know whats really goind on
[11:18] <mdz> Diablo-D3: you answered it already
[11:18] <mdz> in 2.6.10-5-k7, CONFIG_PREEMPT=y, and in 2.6.12-6-k7, CONFIG_PREEMPT is not set
[11:19] <Diablo-D3> mdz: but that doesnt mean 2.6.12 doesnt have preempt
[11:19] <Diablo-D3> say, if, preempt is default in 2.6.12
[11:19] <mdz> the default is irrelevant; if it is not set, then it is not enabled
[11:20] <Diablo-D3> why?
[11:38] <Diablo-D3> #ubuntu-laptop is open for buisness
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[12:25] <volvoguy> nick!
[07:23] <nicholaspaul> doh. I missed again.
[09:15] <woodwizzle> Are there any resources or tutorials on designing gtk themes, specifically 2.8 cairo based ones?
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2005-08-19-#ubuntu-doc
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[01:26] <rob^> its so cold
[01:26] <Burgundavia> oh you poor man
[01:26] <Burgundavia> some of us live where it is actually cold
[01:27] <rob^> omg it's 11C here
[01:27] <Burgundavia> you poor bastard
[01:31] <rob^> hey, is ubuntu still sending out laptops for the testing spec?
[01:31] <Burgundavia> don't think so
[04:26] <mpt> Burgundavia: Maybe you could clarify the wiki page to that effect, describing what other people with laptops can do to help
[04:26] <mpt> I tried to ask mjg59 about it the other day, but had to leave before he answered
[04:26] <mpt> and you know the laptop pages well now
[04:30] <rob^> grr @ spliting up the faq and it not working
[04:49] <Burgundavia> mpt, will do tomorrow
[05:44] <mpt> thanks
[06:22] <jsgotangco> hi
[06:54] <martinald> hi all
[06:55] <martinald> quick question: is breezy going to use the gnome default clearlooks theme or will it use an 'ubuntu-ized' one?
[10:21] <robitaille> mdke: ping
[10:21] <Burgundavia> robitaille, you received your laptop yet?
[10:22] <robitaille> not yet... it's a Dell and according to Claire, Dell is really slow. I don't even have a model type :(
[10:23] <Burgundavia> ah
[10:23] <robitaille> what did you use to resize your NTFS partition? WindowsDualBootHowTo seems to imply that Hoary's installer doesn't work for that
[10:23] <Burgundavia> it does
[10:23] <Burgundavia> some have had issue though
[10:23] <robitaille> should we change the wiki page?
[10:25] <robitaille> in the past I have used Knoppix to resize partition, but with the Laptop I was hoping to go the Ubuntu-only route
[10:25] <Burgundavia> WindowsDual boot is for warty I think
[10:25] <robitaille> look at the last line: "Note: According to [WWW] this page NTFS Resize is part of the Ubuntu 5.04 partitioner, however partman/parted on the ubuntu-installer-5.04 does not support NTFS partitions."
[10:27] <Burgundavia> I am going to be producing a standard wiki page layout the reporting soon
[10:27] <robitaille> that would be great. Everyone is doing all the organizing work before I get my own so that everthing will be organized by the time it's my turn to report :)
[10:28] <robitaille> have you seen this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAtConferences/BrochureCopy
[10:29] <Burgundavia> no
[10:29] <robitaille> I thought Jerome had done a 2-page brochure in the past....
[10:30] <robitaille> ...and the whole bugzilla... should bug LP people to be able to subscribe at Malone
[10:31] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:32] <Burgundavia> wow, the LaptopTestingTeam page is filling up nicely
[10:32] <Burgundavia> need to get my report form done
[10:35] <robitaille> do we know many laptops were sent?
[10:36] <Burgundavia> no idea
[10:39] <Madpilot> hi all
[10:39] <Burgundavia> salut Madpilot
[10:39] <Flonne> Okay, so, like, I've been gone all summer, and chances are nobody recognizes me anymore, but I've managed to secure a reliable Internet connection.
[10:39] <mdke> robitaille, sup
[10:39] <Burgundavia> Flonne, your name rings bells
[10:39] <Flonne> Thanks. :)
[10:39] <Flonne> I kinda forgot that I'd have to pay for things once school ended
[10:39] <robitaille> mdke: what did you use to resize your ntfs partition on your laptop?
[10:39] <Burgundavia> mdke, I clarified with mjg59. You don't need to keep old reports around. Just note any changes from the previous release (regressions, now works)
[10:40] <mdke> robitaille, the hoary installer
[10:41] <robitaille> mdke: ok. I was reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo and it seemed to imply that it didn't work. Maybe we should change it.
[10:41] <mdke> robitaille, it works ok yes
[10:41] <Burgundavia> robitaille, there is a bug open for it. seems to not work for some peoplel
[10:41] <robitaille> (which I would do if I ever get that laptop :)
[10:42] <Flonne> I'm reading through all e-mail missed over the summer, so hopefully I should be able to start contributing again sometime this week. But I'm not dead, just in case someone actually cares. ^^
[10:42] <mdke> [21:26:36] < Burgundavia> I am going to be producing a standard wiki page layout the reporting soon
[10:43] <mdke> Burgundavia, you will be taking decisions about what everyone should do?
[10:43] <mdke> seems a touch forward
[10:43] <Burgundavia> mdke, mjg59 and I will be working together on this
[10:44] <Burgundavia> I offered to create one and he jumped at it
[10:44] <mdke> ok i'll leave you to work
[10:44] <Burgundavia> you can comment as well
[10:44] <mdke> no thanks
[10:44] <mdke> i need to test my laptop
[10:49] <Flonne> mdke, is testing open? I've got three laptops here and nothing better to do while catching up.
[10:49] <Burgundavia> Flonne, yes
[10:49] <Burgundavia> mdke, robitaille https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/ToshibaTecraA5 <-- can I have comments?
[10:50] <robitaille> Burgundavia: I'll check it later today...I have to go.
[10:50] <Burgundavia> robitaille, np
[10:51] <mdke> Flonne, testing is always open
[10:51] <Flonne> The article contains a number of minor grammatical errors and some typos, if that's what you mean.
[10:52] <mdke> Burgundavia, here is what I intended to do, although it's not fleshed out yet. I think it's a bit clearer
[10:52] <mdke> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/ThinkpadT43
[10:53] <Burgundavia> ok
[10:54] <Burgundavia> mdke, so a seperate page for each release and a summary of current issues?
[10:56] <mdke> yes
[10:56] <mdke> i don't like all those tables of different widths
[10:56] <mdke> i've put in some example current problems if you refresh the page
[10:57] <Burgundavia> ok
[10:57] <Burgundavia> hmm
[10:58] <mdke> i've yet to test breezy so many problems might be solved already
[10:58] <Flonne> Breezy, which I'm running on this laptop, is a bit... broken. You might want to wait.
[10:58] <Burgundavia> mdke, take a look at the page now
[10:59] <mdke> which?
[10:59] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/ToshibaTecraA5
[10:59] <Burgundavia> I think that is best of both worlds
[10:59] <Burgundavia> the complete hardware rundown with a quick section for current issues
[11:00] <mdke> i still don't like the tables
[11:00] <Burgundavia> I think I can fix their width
[11:00] <Burgundavia> or make them all one big table
[11:01] <Madpilot> you should be able to fix widths - or you could in real HTML, no idea with wiki markup...
[11:01] <mdke> yeah i'm not sure you can do it in moin
[11:01] <Burgundavia> mdke, is the issue the tables themselves or that they are different sizes?
[11:01] <mdke> for me both, but its an opinion i guess
[11:02] <Burgundavia> tables can be ugly, but they also provide quick information
[11:02] <Burgundavia> as long as we provide a notes section
[11:02] <mdke> that's why I don't think its a good thing to provide a template that people MUST use
[11:02] <mdke> people can do things differently
[11:02] <Burgundavia> and I like your idea of current issues at the top
[11:02] <Burgundavia> mdke, but the goal of the testing team is standard answers to standard questions
[11:03] <mdke> that is what I've done in the report
[11:03] <mdke> i followed the Spec exactly
[11:03] <mdke> AFAICS your report does not follow the Spec
[11:04] <mdke> anyhow, as long as things are clear and getting into bugzilla, i don't think its a big deal
[11:04] <Burgundavia> in what way?
[11:04] <Burgundavia> the spec is "Test every device on the machine"
[11:05] <mdke> erm
[11:05] <mdke> there are specific questions
[11:05] <Burgundavia> yes there are
[11:05] <mdke> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingSpec
[11:05] <mdke> Basic Hardware Test, Advanced Hardware Test, Power Management Test
[11:06] <Burgundavia> yes
[11:06] <Burgundavia> I have merely organized the data in a different way
[11:06] <mdke> quite
[11:07] <mdke> which i have no problem with
[11:07] <Burgundavia> the spec if very wordy
[11:07] <mdke> but I did it that way
[11:07] <mdke> i don't think you should have a problem with people doing it differently, as long as it is clear
[11:08] <Burgundavia> mjg59 wants a standard form
[11:08] <Burgundavia> if he doesn't like mine, we will work out the issues
[11:08] <Madpilot> can someone remind me where the Ubuntu Glossary is? Not a wiki page, and I can't find it in the non-wiki Documentation so far...
[11:09] <mdke> google tells you
[11:09] <mdke> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/glossary/document_view
[11:10] <Madpilot> mdke: thanks
[11:14] <mdke> Burgundavia, afaics mjg and others worked on the Spec for that very reason
[11:14] <mdke> to establish a standard form
[11:14] <Burgundavia> yes
[11:14] <mdke> oh well whatever
[11:31] <Burgundavia> mdke, night
[11:31] <mdke> night
[11:32] <mdke> Burgundavia, last thought
[11:32] <mdke> how about including both hoary and breezy in your table
[11:32] <Burgundavia> hmm
[11:32] <Burgundavia> ok, I will try that
[11:32] <mdke> works in stable? (yes/no), works in unstable? (yes/no)
[11:32] <Burgundavia> ok
[11:33] <mdke> otherwise it will be a huge page with lots of cumbersome tables
[11:33] <Burgundavia> yes
[11:33] <mdke> damn that guy in -devel is noisy
[11:34] <Burgundavia> Diablo?
[11:34] <Burgundavia> yes
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[01:17] <Burgundavia> xhaker, please turn off your away mesage. It is quite annoying
[01:24] <dabaR> Can I have operator status for #ubuntu-hr?
[01:24] <jdub> Burgundavia: hrm, maybe we should come up with some better standards for how to document the laptops and so on
[01:24] <jdub> Burgundavia: i'm sure mjg59 would have some ideas on what would be most helpful to him
[01:25] <Burgundavia> jdub, there are two parts that I see. the hoary stuff is mostly for community members and thus needs to be organized well
[01:25] <jdub> dabaR: you'll have to ask chanserv about who owns it
[01:25] <jdub> hoary stuff?
[01:25] <Burgundavia> the breezy stuff is for developers, so that bugs should mostly be in bugzilla
[01:25] <Riddell> ivoks owns #ubuntu-hr
[01:25] <Burgundavia> jdub, mdke and I had a disagrement about how to report
[01:26] <Burgundavia> jdub, is it enough to have a report for any stable release and a rolling report for the latest development?
[01:26] <jdub> i don't think the current release is all that relevant
[01:26] <jdub> the goal is to make sure we know the hardware, and know what the devel branch supports
[01:26] <Burgundavia> the current stable is useful for people looking to purchase a laptop
[01:26] <dabaR> jdub: thanks.
[01:27] <jdub> ok, i don't think that has much to do with the laptop testing team
[01:27] <dabaR> Riddell: ya, he does, well, cool.
[01:27] <jdub> we can document that stuff on a hardware support page somewhere
[01:27] <Burgundavia> no, but we might as well get the marketing win on it
[01:27] <jdub> Riddell: hey, have you seen fcrozat's XSETTINGS patches for KDE?
[01:27] <jdub> Burgundavia: right, but that's a different issue
[01:28] <Burgundavia> they did ask for a report on how the the current stable installs
[01:28] <Riddell> jdub: I don't think so
[01:28] <jdub> Burgundavia: sure, that's important to understanding where we're at from a benchmark release
[01:29] <jdub> Riddell: might be handy for nicer results when running apps in either environment
[01:29] <jdub> Riddell: fcrozat is an mdk developer, the patches might be in their cooker RPMs, but you can find him on gimpnet fairly regularly
[01:32] <Riddell> jdub: looks like a fun idea that, I'll make a note to investigate
[01:33] <Burgundavia> mjg59, ping
[01:33] <Riddell> jdub: what was the KDE stall at linuxworld like?
[01:33] <jdub> Riddell: they had a nice banner
[01:34] <tseng> i bet it was blue
[01:34] <jdub> Riddell: and at one point, they were getting people to shout out how much they loved kde for a xandros CD
[01:34] <jdub> for a *xandros* CD
[01:34] <jdub> insane ;-)
[01:34] <whiprush> hahah
[01:34] <whiprush> I wonder how many people threw it back
[01:36] <mjg59> Burgundavia: Hi
[01:36] <Burgundavia> mjg59, jdub and I were talking about standardizing the reports on the wiki
[01:36] <Riddell> they really should have asked for kubuntu CDs in time, those things are worth shouting for
[01:36] <Burgundavia> mjg59, what is most useful for you?
[01:36] <mjg59> Burgundavia: I'm planning on writing a form for data submission, but..
[01:36] <mjg59> Basically I want to know whether stuff on the laptop checklist works by default or not
[01:37] <mjg59> If it doesn't, I want to know how it doesn't work and if it can be made to work
[01:37] <Burgundavia> mjg59, is there any reason why we don't just do this on the wiki?
[01:37] <mjg59> If it works, I want to know nothing more
[01:37] <mjg59> Burgundavia: Is it trivial to create ways to input data on the wiki that will result in a standardised format?
[01:37] <Burgundavia> yes
[01:38] <Burgundavia> I will create a standard table that they could copy and then fill out
[01:38] <mjg59> Burgundavia: Ah. In that case, then do it via the wiki :)
[01:38] <mjg59> (I should point out that I've just got back from Kamion's wedding, and so am nowhere near sober. This seems to be a recurring theme)
[01:38] <Burgundavia> mjg59, the advantage of the wiki is that anyone can see the data. A form they submit to you might get lost
[01:39] <Burgundavia> mjg59, both Matthew East and myself have gotten emails about how to make certain things on our laptops to work
[01:39] <mjg59> Ok, cool
[01:40] <jdub> how was the wedding?
[01:40] <mjg59> jdub: Excellent
[01:40] <mjg59> (hic)
[01:40] <jdub> :-)
[01:40] <Burgundavia> I will build up a skeleton table and then ask for your comments
[01:41] <mjg59> Burgundavia: Excellent, tanks!
[01:42] <Burgundavia> mjg59, should be ready by monday
[01:42] <Burgundavia> mjg59, quick question, do you care bout every point release in the development or only a rolling report?
[01:42] <Burgundavia> mjg59, I mean, do I need to keep all the colony reports around?
[01:44] <mjg59> Only a rolling report unless it's necessary to check whether something's reverted
[01:44] <Burgundavia> ok
[01:45] <Burgundavia> mjg59, I am off, pm me if you have any further comments/issues/ideas
[01:45] <mjg59> Burgundavia: Will do. Thanks for the help!
[01:52] <Diablo-D3> hows breezy coming?
[01:58] <Diablo-D3> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals
[01:58] <Diablo-D3> didnt that url use to be valid?
[01:59] <whiprush> remove the UbuntuDownUnder part
[01:59] <whiprush> it's just /BreezyGoals now
[02:00] <Diablo-D3> is breezy still really really unstable, btw?
[02:00] <whiprush> depends I guess.
[02:01] <Diablo-D3> depends on what, exactly?
[02:02] <whiprush> Don't know, I don't track sid.
[02:02] <whiprush> I don't have problems with it.
[02:02] <Diablo-D3> you use any c++ apps?
[02:02] <whiprush> firefox and tbird
[02:03] <Diablo-D3> and they work fine?
[02:03] <whiprush> yep
[02:03] <Diablo-D3> any kde apps?
[02:03] <whiprush> no
[02:05] <Riddell> kde apps work fine
[02:05] <Riddell> it's X that doesn't work
[02:05] <Diablo-D3> ...... erk?
[02:05] <Diablo-D3> doesnt work in what way?
[02:06] <Riddell> doesn't work in new and exciting ways each day
[02:06] <Diablo-D3> eww
[02:12] <Diablo-D3> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/%c2%b5buntu
[02:12] <Diablo-D3> that looks cool
[02:13] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: 2.6.12 is in breezy isnt it?
[02:14] <Riddell> linux-image-2.6.12-6
[02:14] <Diablo-D3> broken X... new kernel....
[02:14] <jdub> X is easy to get working
[02:14] <Diablo-D3> cant see.... but its really shiney...
[02:15] <Diablo-D3> jdub: just tell dpkg to hold X for me? ;)
[02:15] <jdub> no
[02:15] <Diablo-D3> rewind to the previously known working version?
[02:16] <tseng> or read ubuntu-devel
[02:16] <tseng> and follow a few simple steps
[02:18] <Diablo-D3> hrm, how do I check what version of something is in linux-restricted-modules?
[02:28] <bur[n] er> jdub: about X being easy to get working... got a wiki page or some kind of reference?
[02:33] <jdub> bur[n] er: have a look at recent threads on ubuntu-devel
[02:35] <bur[n] er> right on, will do
[02:39] <bur[n] er> thanks jdub
[02:41] <mdz> Riddell: do we really only want krita in main, and not the rest of the koffice binaries?
[02:41] <mdz> Riddell: (is there any reason not to move them all together?)
[02:42] <mjg59> mdz: Is there anything I should be worrying about right at the moment?
[02:43] <jdub> mjg59: balance, slurred speech, etc.
[02:43] <mdz> mjg59: hunger, poverty, poor medical care...
[02:43] <Riddell> mdz: I want krita on the CD because image manipulation is a missing feature from kubuntu, I'd be happy to have the rest in support, not sure what else it brings in
[02:44] <jammcq> mdz: howdie
[02:44] <mdz> Riddell: could you review the dependencies and see? if there aren't any new deps, we should just put them all in supported
[02:44] <mdz> jammcq: good evening
[02:44] <mdz> jammcq: congratulations on the LTSP award
[02:44] <jdub> Riddell: keep in mind that gimp is one of the first things we'd remove if space becomes more of an issue on the CD
[02:44] <jammcq> mdz: i've got a new machine, and i'm loading breezy now, to test out ltsp integration
[02:44] <mjg59> Ah, good, nothing of any great concern
[02:44] <Diablo-D3> you hate gimp that much?
[02:44] <jammcq> and thanks, we were all surprised with that award
[02:45] <jdub> Diablo-D3: no, it's just not important for the vast majority of users. it's cool, but it doesn't apply to the GCF.
[02:45] <jammcq> mdz: also, sbalneav is doing the same this evening
[02:45] <mdz> mjg59: feedback starting to flow in from LaptopTesting?
[02:45] <Riddell> jdub: GCF?
[02:45] <mdz> jammcq: glad to hear it
[02:45] <jdub> greatest common factor
[02:45] <Riddell> mdz: will do
[02:45] <mdz> jammcq: let me know if you have any questions not answered by the wiki
[02:46] <jammcq> k
[02:46] <jammcq> we should have some thin clients booting tonight
[02:46] <jdub> jammcq: i'm seriously considering ordering one of your little thin client boxes - they were way sweet
[02:46] <mdz> I'll be going out in 1.5 hours or so, and not back until quite late
[02:46] <Diablo-D3> grr
[02:46] <mdz> and at that point perhaps a little drunk
[02:47] <Diablo-D3> how the hell do I find out what version of madwifi is in a package of linux-restricted-modules
[02:47] <mjg59> mdz: A bit, yeah
[02:47] <jammcq> jdub: damn, I should have let you buy one that we had in sanfran, it would save you the shipping
[02:47] <mjg59> mdz: The amd64 one is indescribable pain
[02:47] <jdub> jammcq: 'sok, i should probably do something with the hardware i already have first, lest pia beat me up :-)
[02:47] <jammcq> heh
[02:48] <bur[n] er> awww... X is still b0rked for me :\ maybe next week ;)
[02:48] <mjg59> jdub: Spend it on beer. Or me.
[02:48] <paolo> jdub: SoC-er?
[02:48] <mjg59> paolo: Nah, jdub is an open source luminary
[02:48] <paolo> Oh.
[02:48] <Diablo-D3> jdub: google...award... money?
[02:49] <mjg59> jdub is teh best open source love magnet
[02:49] <mdz> mjg59: do you have the lsb-base changes ready for when jbailey fixes the fifo thing?
[02:49] <mjg59> mdz: It's about 5 lines, but yeah
[02:49] <Diablo-D3> I wonder if ubuntu has a changelog
[02:50] <jdub> bur[n] er: it's not too hard to fix
[02:50] <jdub> Diablo-D3: every package has a change log under /usr/share/doc/<package>/
[02:50] <mdz> it's more like 10
[02:50] <Diablo-D3> I meant for 'big' features that arent related to any one package
[02:50] <Diablo-D3> http://lwn.net/Articles/142671/
[02:50] <jdub> paolo: nup, i got an award at oscon for being noisy :-)
[02:50] <Diablo-D3> like that
[02:50] <mdz> we call those "release notes"
[02:51] <mjg59> mdz: 5, 10. It's less than an order of magnitude.
[02:51] <mdz> mjg59: I was musing over init scripts called by maintainer scripts post-boot
[02:51] <bur[n] er> jdub: i did the apt-get install xkbutils thing and step 2 of --force-confmiss on the xkeyboard thing... but no dice... i still get a blue ncurses based screen saying X encountered an error and I can do nothing but hard reboot back to 'recovery mode'
[02:51] <mjg59> Don't trouble me with your powers of 2.
[02:51] <jdub> paolo: http://osdir.com/Article6677.phtml
[02:51] <mjg59> mdz: Once usplash isn't running, usplash_write will exit silently
[02:51] <jdub> bur[n] er: check the log, then - i bet you just need to run a dpkg-reconfigure to get the right font paths
[02:51] <mjg59> I /do/ need to code usplash_read (for encrypted filesystems)
[02:51] <mdz> mjg59: right, meaning that init scripts which currently print a message become silent
[02:52] <mjg59> mdz: Mm? My plan was to do both
[02:52] <mdz> oh, I see
[02:52] <mdz> that's a fine idea
[02:52] <mjg59> Then people can switch back to tty1 and see all the messages
[02:52] <jdub> mjg59: will usplash be able to print characters on non-white? (is that box just a guide in current artwork?)
[02:52] <mjg59> jdub: It can do, yeah
[02:52] <jdub> cool
[02:52] <bur[n] er> jdub: i hate to be a bother, but reconfigure what package??
[02:52] <mjg59> I can't emphassise this enough
[02:53] <mdz> mjg59: the box is actually a functional place where text can scroll
[02:53] <mjg59> *the artwork is shit because I cannot draw*
[02:53] <jdub> bur[n] er: xserver-xorg
[02:53] <mjg59> mdz: Yes, but it's trivial to change this
[02:53] <mdz> er
[02:53] <mdz> s/mjg59/jdub/
[02:53] <mjg59> The box is drawn by the code
[02:53] <bur[n] er> thanks jdub, i'll give it a shot
[02:53] <mjg59> It can draw a black box instead
[02:53] <mdz> jdub: you can play with usplash_write to see how it looks
[02:53] <jdub> mdz: do we *want* scrolling text on usplash sexiness?
[02:54] <mjg59> jdub: There is scrolling text
[02:54] <mdz> jdub: if it's going to stay up all the way through to gdm, it should probably give some idea of what's going on, yes
[02:54] <mjg59> Well, scolling in the same way as the console
[02:54] <paolo> jdub: cool - congrats :-)
[02:54] <jdub> paolo: :)
[02:54] <paolo> I'm a SoC, in fact :-P
[02:54] <paolo> SoC-er even.
[02:54] <jdub> mdz: i think i'd prefer something closer to the rhgb service title status
[02:55] <mdz> jdub: how is that different from what we have?
[02:55] <mjg59> jdub: It's more SuSE bootsplash than rhgb
[02:55] <jdub> well, keep in mind that i haven't seen what it looks like post-initramfs
[02:55] <mdz> it looks the same only with status messages / progress bar
[02:55] <mjg59> We show the same text as would appear on the console, but in a more attractive manner
[02:56] <mjg59> Switching it to something more abstract is rather more effort
[02:56] <jdub> mjg59: one line at a time, or with scrolling lines?
[02:56] <mjg59> jdub: Scrolling - otherwise stuff can vanish before you read it
[02:57] <mdz> speaking of which, am I the only one for whom the GNOME splash text has missing characters in it?
[02:57] <jdub> if they want scrolling status, they can switch back to tty1
[02:57] <mjg59> jdub: The current state is that a few lines of text are scrolled in the box
[02:58] <jdub> should i be seeing usplash post-initramfs?
[02:58] <mjg59> Not yet
[02:58] <j^> why not just "Starting Services..."
[02:58] <mjg59> Needs a touch more initramfs love
[02:59] <jdub> rhgb just shows the service name currently starting
[02:59] <j^> even thats too much imho
[02:59] <mdz> because we spec'd this out 4 months ago and decided otherwise
[02:59] <mjg59> jdub: What does it do in the case of failure? Display anything informational?
[02:59] <jdub> and you can click a disclosure triangle to get the scrolly bits (you don't even have to switch tty)
[02:59] <whiprush> yeah that > dropdown is neat
[02:59] <mjg59> I think for now we go with a more attractive version of what we already have, and then redesign it in Breezy+1
[02:59] <jdub> mjg59: you can pop open the hidden terminal with the disclosure widget if you care
[03:00] <mjg59> jdub: Urgh. Yeah, that's a bit more awkward to do since we don't run X
[03:00] <mdz> jdub: we're not going to do user interaction, at least not in this iteration
[03:00] <jdub> j^: it gives you an impression of progress
[03:00] <jdub> mdz: not suggesting it (we have tty switching anyway)
[03:01] <mjg59> In principle bogl can do mouse input, but it's not going to be pretty
[03:01] <bur[n] er> jdub: possibly X is still broken with widescreen monitors??
[03:01] <jdub> it's cool that rhgb does it, but i don't think lack of error status is reason to make it have the scrolly bit on the sexy screen
[03:01] <j^> jdub thats what a progressbar could be for: Starting Services... [|||||........]
[03:01] <jdub> j^: don't have any meaningful way to understand startup period
[03:01] <mjg59> j^ progress bars are a complete arse
[03:01] <bur[n] er> i reconfigured xserver-xorg, but I still get the curses based bluescreen with "Failed to start the X server (your graphical interface). It is likely that you it is not set up correctly. Would you like to view the X server output to diagnose the problem?"
[03:02] <sladen> j^: and how long is the progress bar?
[03:02] <jdub> bur[n] er: have you looked at the output?
[03:02] <mjg59> They ought to increase at a linear speed, but we can't do that easily
[03:02] <jdub> mjg59: have you looked at SMF?
[03:02] <mjg59> jdub: TBH, our screen is not very sey
[03:02] <bur[n] er> jdub: i can't... the screen is locked here... I can't even do ctrl+alt+f2
[03:02] <mjg59> jdub: Not yet. If it's possible in the future, I'll be happy
[03:02] <jdub> mjg59: we can make it sexy :)
[03:02] <bur[n] er> i can't ctrl+alt+bkspace either
[03:02] <mjg59> s/sey/sexy/
[03:02] <whiprush> bur[n] er: try ctrl-d
[03:02] <mjg59> jdub: There's a limit to 640x480x16 colour sexiness
[03:03] <bur[n] er> whiprush: :)
[03:03] <jdub> mjg59: the windows one looks sweet, i don't think we'll have too much trouble
[03:03] <mjg59> jdub: You think? I think we can do better than that, but I still don't think it'd look sexy
[03:04] <j^> sladen does that matter? did you ever see a progress bar that had anything todo with the time it takes
[03:04] <jdub> we must! WE MUST!
[03:04] <sladen> with a bountie and some rub-in oil, anything can be made to look sexy...
[03:04] <jdub> FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION
[03:04] <mjg59> j^: Progress bars that have no relation to the time it takes are teh suck
[03:04] <j^> mjg59 use a spinning wheel
[03:05] <mjg59> Nngh.
[03:07] <jdub> rhgb has service name and a spinner
[03:10] <mjg59> rhgb has better graphical primitives
[03:10] <sladen> rhgb has VTE and a full gtk widget set
[03:11] <mjg59> Yes
[03:12] <jdub> sure, but i'm not suggesting we need to go that far to improve usplash sass value
[03:13] <jdub> in terms of status, i'm trying to say that scrolly text smells, and a simple service name (or even just a single line of normal output) will be nicer
[03:13] <j^> an image like http://www.neystadt.org/john/album/London2003/DSCN1246-London-Eye-Wheel.JPG with turning wheel would be cool
[03:14] <jdub> heh
[03:14] <jdub> in sixteen colours, when full screen updates are quite slow? :-)
[03:14] <sladen> lsb init works for standard Ubuntu packages; you have to resort to screen-scraping unless you just use /etc/init.d/$name
[03:14] <mjg59> jdub: You're not going to see most of those service names, and you're not going to get any useful diagnostic output
[03:15] <bmonty> is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive the only source of package mirror info??
[03:15] <jdub> mjg59: you can switch to tty1 for diagnostic output if you need it
[03:15] <jdub> mjg59: look at the windows startup screen - no diagnostic output
[03:15] <mjg59> jdub: But that also sucks
[03:15] <jdub> mjg59: same with the mac one
[03:15] <sladen> j^: you're about 16777200 colours short of being able to do that
[03:15] <mjg59> "Please press these obscure keys if you want to know what's going on"
[03:15] <jdub> mjg59: for a desktop, that's not ridiculous.
[03:16] <mjg59> jdub: It's not ridiculous once we have the infrastructure to log those failures
[03:16] <jdub> (it's harder to get that output on mac and windows)
[03:16] <mjg59> With our current infrastructure, if something fails on startup the user will never notice (assuming using your suggestion)
[03:16] <mjg59> And that sucks
[03:17] <jdub> it's not like they could do a whole bunch about it even if they could see it
[03:17] <jdub> and it scrolls by quickly already anyway
[03:17] <mjg59> No, but they'd know something was broken
[03:17] <jdub> and they don't see all the output because gdm starts early
[03:17] <sladen> they can't fix even if they do see it.
[03:17] <mjg59> The alternative is that stuff just doesn't work and they have no idea whyt
[03:17] <sladen> snap. It'll just scare them into turning the computer off during fsck
[03:17] <mjg59> gdm starts after everything that's important for the desktop
[03:18] <jdub> mjg59: can we automagically switch to tty1 when an init script has an error?
[03:18] <jdub> that at least is a major visual warning
[03:18] <mjg59> jdub: Not in a terribly easy way
[03:18] <mjg59> jdub: Especially given that it's expected for a couple of scripts to fail (ntpdate, for instance)
[03:18] <mjg59> I guess we could fix those
[03:19] <j^> what about fixing all those network scripts
[03:19] <jdub> mjg59: yeah, that would uglify it unnecessarily
[03:19] <bur[n] er> jdub: i see my X output and find that it can't find the "fixed" font and I should have x-window-system installed, but there is no package x-window-system... any ideas? I promise, it's my last question for the eve ;)
[03:19] <mjg59> jdub: If hal fails to start, we ought to tell the user
[03:20] <mjg59> bur[n] er: Install xfonts-base
[03:20] <sladen> j^: all those network scripts should be made to hook a callback for when the network status changes; then ntp can at least do something sensible
[03:20] <jdub> bur[n] er: if you do a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and have xfonts-base installed, it should work
[03:20] <bur[n] er> mjg59: already newest version
[03:20] <whiprush> jdub: this smf stuff jive license-wise?
[03:20] <jdub> whiprush: CDDL, not a problem
[03:20] <j^> sladen yup, and use NetworkManager/dbus for the network status
[03:20] <jdub> (and the minor nits with CDDL sun is willing to fix)
[03:21] <whiprush> interesting
[03:21] <mjg59> CDDL isn't an obvious problem
[03:21] <jdub> j^: we may get NM for breezy, but it's unlikely that we'll get that level of integration just yet :)
[03:21] <mjg59> It's obviously meant to be a free software license. If there are any problems, they'll fix them
[03:21] <mjg59> It's not worth the PR loss otherwise
[03:21] <bur[n] er> aww... dpkg-reconfigure xfonts-base did the trick :)
[03:21] <bur[n] er> thank you all so much!
[03:21] <sladen> bur[n] er: I had that issue on my R31. I didn't get to the root of where it wasn't finding the 'fixed' font. but just installing xbase-fonts isn't enough
[03:22] <j^> jdub i fixed NM today, including modem support http://bootlab.org/~j/bazaar/network-manager--ubuntu--5.11/
[03:22] <jdub> rawk :)
[03:22] <sladen> bur[n] er: ta, I'll try that
[03:22] <bur[n] er> sladen: gl :)
[03:23] <sladen> mjg59: having spoken to the people who made the decision; up until 6 months before release they were expecting to use GPLv3
[03:23] <whiprush> hmm, some people are claiming less than 10 second boot times.
[03:24] <jdub> whiprush: you can get to a shell extremely quickly. but that's cheating. :-)
[03:24] <j^> what about a bios with webbrowser?
[03:24] <mjg59> sladen: GPLv3's existence would have made this easier
[03:25] <sladen> j^: gcc lynx*.c -static -m8086
[03:25] <sladen> mjg59: yes, their point of decision was 'needing' the patent crap
[03:26] <sebest> i have a strange behaviour with breezy X, any key i type on my keyboard change the resolution of X
[03:27] <sladen> mjg59: you would have enjoyed meet^flaming simon phipps
[03:28] <bur[n] er> sladen: reconfiguring xfonts-base worked to get X up then?
[03:28] <sladen> bur[n] er: dunno, I'll try
[03:30] <jdub> man, oil-cooled PCs freak me out
[03:31] <j^> jdub oil? its all about liquid nitrogen now.
[03:34] <Riddell> mdz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportLatexXFTFonts created, koffice added to supported
[03:35] <sladen> is there any point gdm looping a failing X 3 times instead of just once?
[03:35] <sladen> ...and then giving a message dialogue where the only way out is Alt-SysReq-e
[03:37] <sladen> bur[n] er: can you do dpkg -S /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc and see what's owning it?
[03:38] <bur[n] er> sladen: i have no misc directory in ....X11/fonts/
[03:43] <whiprush> hmmm
[03:43] <sladen> bur[n] er: alt-sysreq-r (reset keyboard) gets the Alt-Fn VT switching back... GDM needs to not ask it's your-xserver-is-fucked on VT7...
[03:43] <whiprush> was networkmanager deferred?
[03:45] <bur[n] er> sladen: ctrl+d ?
[03:46] <jdub> whiprush: undecided atm
[03:46] <jdub> whiprush: afair
[03:47] <whiprush> there's a patch sitting in #13070.
[03:50] <mdz> Riddell: thanks. feeling better
[03:50] <mdz> ?
[03:51] <Riddell> mdz: yes thanks (although I'm heading my flatmate coughing tonight, which is a bad sign)
[03:51] <Riddell> s/heading/hearing/
[03:58] <Riddell> mdz: what's your preference for smime support or demoting gnupg2?
[03:58] <mdz> Riddell: is upstream any closer to a release? it's a development snapshot, right?
[03:59] <mdz> I'd prefer to demote it unless it's supported upstream
[04:05] <sebest> my X is looking for XKeysymDB in /usr/lib/X11 but it is in /usr/share/X11 ...
[04:09] <Riddell> "GnuPG 1.9 is the current development version of GnuPG. Despite of
[04:09] <Riddell> that, most parts (in particular GPG-AGENT and GPGSM) are considered
[04:09] <Riddell> ready for production use."
[04:09] <Riddell> http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-announce/2005q2/000196.html
[04:22] <Lathiat> hrm, python-gtk2 is missing a dependancy on python-cairo
[04:22] <sladen> mpt: while true; sleep 5; cat /dev/fb0 > screenshot; done
[04:23] <mpt> "sleep 5"? It should have finished before 5 seconds is up :-)
[04:24] <sladen> can somebody with a working breezy Xorg setup try dpkg -S fixed | grep font to see if you can turn up where the fixed fonts are living now
[04:25] <OddAbe19> one sec
[04:25] <OddAbe19> root@ubuntu:/home/oddabel # dpkg -S fixed | grep font
[04:25] <OddAbe19> console-data: /usr/share/consolefonts/grfixed.psf.gz
[04:25] <OddAbe19> root@ubuntu:/home/oddabel #
[04:25] <OddAbe19> one more sec
[04:26] <sladen> OddAbe19: okay, thanks. I think I've found the root cause elsewhere
[04:26] <OddAbe19> Section "Files"
[04:26] <OddAbe19> # FontPath "unix/:7100" # local font server
[04:26] <OddAbe19> # if the local font server has problems, we can fall back on these
[04:26] <OddAbe19> FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/misc"
[04:26] <OddAbe19> FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
[04:26] <OddAbe19> FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
[04:26] <OddAbe19> FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
[04:26] <OddAbe19> FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/Type1"
[04:26] <OddAbe19> FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/CID"
[04:26] <OddAbe19> FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/Speedo"
[04:26] <OddAbe19> FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/100dpi"
[04:26] <OddAbe19> FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/75dpi"
[04:26] <OddAbe19> lol
[04:27] <sladen> sssh. /etc/X11/fonts/misc vs. /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc
[04:28] <bur[n] er> :)
[04:28] <jp> wow
[04:28] <jp> that's cool
[04:28] <jp> :P
[04:35] <sladen> daniels: xfonts-base is broken. It's missing a symlink /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc -> ../../../share/X11/fonts/misc
[04:37] <sladen> jdub: re: your example earlier. I've just started GDM on a system with *nothing* running (result of several sysreq-e's) ...the result is just that I got a dialogue saying ''couldn't init HAL''. The system doesn't actually seem to be affected otherwise!
[05:02] <_d4vid> i haved problems with my firefox.. flash freezed my firefox.. now iam installed debian unstable version 1.0.6.2 works fine..
[05:31] <quad> is there a problem with gdm in breezy? i get a message in my syslog that says something about gdm not being able to start greeter
[05:33] <Diablo-D3> heh
[05:35] <quad> my internet also only works for the fist 30 seconds i have it turned one!
[05:35] <quad> *on
[06:22] <whiprush> jdub: is there a "polish" keyword, or some kind of "it'd be easy, given attention
[06:22] <whiprush> "
[06:23] <jdub> hrm?
[06:23] <whiprush> for example, bug 6853
[06:24] <whiprush> It's been fixed in opensuse.
[06:24] <whiprush> well, the icon is crap, sounds trivial to fix.
[06:24] <jdub> *oh*
[06:24] <whiprush> I was thinking of something like, is there a bugzilla keyword for "low hanging UI fruit."
[06:24] <jdub> polish bug keyword :-)
[06:24] <whiprush> right
[06:25] <whiprush> heh
[06:25] <jdub> yeah, trivial or enhancement is appropriate
[06:25] <jdub> but keyword... not really
[06:26] <whiprush> gnome bugzilla has an easy_fix keyword, you think this would fit?
[06:28] <jdub> i think we have one too
[06:28] <jammcq> mdz: ping
[06:28] <jdub> yeah, easyfix
[06:29] <whiprush> marked
[06:29] <whiprush> jammcq: he mentioned something about going out tonight and getting drunk
[06:29] <jammcq> hey jorge,jeff
[06:29] <jammcq> hmm
[06:29] <jdub> yo jammcq
[06:29] <whiprush> or something to that effect.
[06:29] <jdub> jammcq: i didn't realise you guys got an LWE award - congrats!
[06:29] <jammcq> jdub: yeah, we sure did :)
[07:00] <jdub> ah bum
[07:00] <jdub> is the image built in to usplash?
[07:02] <jdub> bum, yes
[08:01] <_d4v_d> see u all .. bye
[10:39] <mdz> jammcq: pong
[11:09] <ploum> Hello
[11:10] <ploum> is there any bugzilla admin here ?
[11:20] <Amaranth> ploum: It's still the weekend, I doubt it. :)
[11:24] <ploum> Amaranth, just, I forgot it !
[11:25] <ploum> for me, there's no difference between those days ;-)
[11:25] <Lathiat> heh
[11:25] <Lathiat> same
[11:25] <ploum> well, so I've no more reason to not studying :-(
[12:16] <sivang> MOrning all
[12:16] <mdke> i'd like to test an alternative method of resizing my windows partition before installing Ubuntu, rather than using the install CD. Does anyone know a nice free solution?
[12:17] <Lathiat> parted on a live cd?
[12:17] <mdke> trying to pin down bug #13390
[12:17] <Lathiat> run ubuntu live and install gparted
[12:17] <mdke> Lathiat, doesn't the install cd use parted?
[12:17] <Lathiat> probably
[12:17] <mdke> i need an alternative
[12:17] <Lathiat> theres also 'ntfsresize'
[12:17] <Lathiat> it might use that
[12:17] <Lathiat> i dunno
[12:18] <Lathiat> hell parted might even call that
[12:18] <sivang> jamesh: around ?
[12:18] <Amaranth> the only two i know of are parted and PartitionMagic
[12:18] <Lathiat> yeh
[12:19] <davyd> I think it uses ntfsresize
[12:19] <Lathiat> err
[12:19] <Lathiat> is it just me
[12:19] <Lathiat> or is his diagnostics partition in the middle of his linux partition
[12:19] <davyd> hoary also does it without any logging to the d-i screen from memory
[12:19] <Lathiat> oh
[12:19] <Lathiat> its not
[12:19] <mdke> partition magic is not free tho
[12:19] <davyd> which is strange and wrong
[12:57] <pitti_> Moin
[01:00] <sivang> pitti: Moins Martin :)
[01:01] <sivang> Doh, he logged off
[01:02] <sivang> ah no he didn't :)
[01:04] <sivang> mdz: Hi, did launchpad integration made feature freeze basically?
[01:04] <sivang> s/basically/eventually/
[01:11] <pitti> sivang: no, still here :-)
[01:43] <mantiena> Hi all
[01:44] <mantiena> mdz, hi, are you online ?
[01:57] <sivang> pitti: yeah, I noticed - security work?
[03:32] <mantiena> mdz, hello
[03:38] <pef> hi
[03:43] <mjg59> Hrm. Which package has xev ended up in?
[03:52] <\sh> mjg59: i would like to help u but apt-file is not installable
[03:55] <mjg59> Hrngh.
[03:55] <mjg59> xmodmap has vanished as well
[03:55] <highvoltage> really?
[03:58] <mjg59> highvoltage: Well, it doesn't seem to be on my system
[03:58] <siretart> mjg59: sorry for the bugreport. I couldn't imagine that celerons M do not support frequency scaling
[03:58] <Lathiat> siretart: they dont?
[03:59] <siretart> Lathiat: appearently not
[03:59] <Lathiat> eww
[03:59] <mjg59> siretart: No problem
[03:59] <Lathiat> i guess theyre celerons
[03:59] <mjg59> It's the distinguishing factor of them
[04:01] <siretart> mjg59: is p4-clockmod not an option?
[04:01] <mjg59> siretart: I don't think so - it's likely to be a Pentium M core, not a P4 one
[04:03] <siretart> damn. gotta go. bbl
[04:47] <mantiena> mdz, wake up ;)
[05:19] <trygvebw> Hi. Is the GTK 2.8 in breezy compiled with Cairo support?
[05:20] <tseng> yes
[05:20] <trygvebw> okay :)
[05:20] <trygvebw> great.
[05:20] <trygvebw> Are there any icon sets or GTK themes that use Cairo?
[05:22] <Lathiat> theres some beta clearlooks stuff
[05:22] <luis_> where is that beta clearlooks in cvs?
[05:22] <trygvebw> yeah, i saw that, but it's not avaiable, or..?
[05:22] <trygvebw> *available
[05:22] <tseng> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/clearlooks/clearlooks-cairo/
[05:23] <trygvebw> great
[05:23] <luis_> oh, I thought it was on a branch
[05:23] <tseng> sort of :)
[05:24] <luis_> though
[05:24] <luis_> hrm
[05:24] <luis_> I thought all clearlooks devel was moving to gnome cvs?
[05:25] <tseng> huh, if i checkout clearlooks module i dont ahve that dir
[05:25] <tseng> it is its own module
[05:27] <luis_> http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/gtk-engines/engines/clearlooks/src/ ?
[05:28] <luis_> hrm
[05:29] <luis_> thos's email seems to say that gtk-engines is canonical
[05:29] <luis_> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg02174.html
[05:31] <trygvebw> so it's in gtk-engines?
[05:31] <luis_> yeah
[05:32] <trygvebw> ok.
[05:32] <luis_> AFAICT that is the canonical one
[05:32] <luis_> though it sure looks like there is some devel going on at sf.net still
[05:33] <trygvebw> okay
[05:37] <trygvebw> so i just download it from CVS and then configures it with ./configure --disable-crux --disable-hc --disable-industrial --disable-lightouseblue --disable-metal --disable-mist --disable-redmond --disable-smooth --disable-thinice --prefix=/usr
[05:37] <trygvebw> huh
[05:37] <trygvebw> oh well
[05:38] <tseng> yeah so
[05:38] <trygvebw> okay.
[05:38] <tseng> clearlooks-cairo considered slightly unstable
[05:38] <trygvebw> i guessed since it is in cvs only ;)
[05:38] <trygvebw> *installed*
[05:39] <trygvebw> hmm
[05:39] <trygvebw> should i restart X maybe
[05:39] <trygvebw> let's see...
[05:41] <trygvebw> nope
[05:41] <trygvebw> ahh
[05:41] <trygvebw> i have forgot to upgrade gnome :)
[05:45] <trygvebw> anything else i need to do?
[05:47] <Lathiat> pray
[05:54] <trygvebw> :/
[06:00] <trygvebw> Is the GNOME in breezy broken?
[06:00] <Lathiat> n o
[06:00] <trygvebw> ok.
[06:07] <jp> Is the X in breezy broken?
[06:09] <tseng> no.
[06:10] <trygvebw> so dist-upgrading is safe?
[06:10] <trygvebw> or just upgrading gnome-desktop-environment?
[06:11] <jp> tseng thanks
[06:31] <jammcq> mdz: ping
[06:35] <jp> the
[06:38] <mdz> jammcq: pong
[06:42] <jammcq> hey
[06:42] <jammcq> mdz: do you have some time to go over a few issues with ltsp/breezy ?
[06:42] <mdz> jammcq: sure
[06:42] <jammcq> it's not launching a gui login screen for the thin client
[06:42] <jammcq> I get a text login, but none of my user accounts work
[06:43] <mdz> yeah, there are no user accounts on the client
[06:43] <jammcq> also, after upgrading hoary to breezy, eth0 doesn't automatically come up
[06:43] <mdz> the easiest way to debug is to chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd root
[06:43] <jammcq> I have to do a 'ifup eth0'
[06:43] <mdz> jammcq: that's http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13398
[06:44] <mdz> once you've set a root password and can login, check /var/log/ldm.log
[06:45] <sivang> mdz: ping, do you have a couple of minutes to talk about launchpad-integration ?
[06:45] <mdz> sivang: ok
[06:46] <jammcq> mdz: also, it is taking 5-1/2 minutes to boot a thin client
[06:46] <sivang> mdz: has everything went ok? I see that evo was not patched (Accoridng to wiki page) and that applets were probably not addressed, were their any difficulties with the bonobo helper?
[06:46] <jammcq> not exactly speedy, i'd say
[06:47] <mdz> the new linux-restricted-modules infrastructure is a huge penalty for thin clients
[06:47] <mdz> I think we'll probably have to disable it
[06:47] <Lathiat> whys that?
[06:47] <jammcq> what is 'linux-restricted-modules' ?
[06:47] <mdz> jammcq: apt-cache show linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-6-386
[06:47] <mdz> Lathiat: because it takes a long time to do its work over NFS
[06:48] <mdz> sivang: you need to ask seb128
[06:48] <Lathiat> mdz: ah
[06:48] <sivang> mdz: ah ok, I saw you last edited the page so I figured to ask you , thanks anyway
[06:48] <mdz> sivang: I just reorganized it
[06:48] <sivang> mdz: k, cool
[06:50] <jammcq> also, I initially, I tried using my existing dhcp server, but I was unable to get ROOTSERVER to be anything other than the IP address of the DHCP server
[06:51] <jammcq> so, I setup dhcpd on the breezy box, but had lots of problems because the breezy IP address was 192.168.254.149, and dhcpd had a hard time with that.
[06:52] <mdz> jammcq: is your existing dhcp server something other than ISC dhcpd?
[06:52] <jammcq> yes, ISC dhcpd 3.0
[06:52] <pef> bye !
[06:53] <mdz> jammcq: you tried "next-server <ip address of the NFS server>;" ?
[06:54] <jammcq> yeah, pxe doesn't honor that, so it wouldn't get the kernel from the right place
[06:54] <mdz> that works fine with my thinkpad
[06:54] <Lathiat> might depend on the bios
[06:55] <Lathiat> and/or network chipset
[06:55] <jammcq> i'm using an HP T5305 thin client
[06:57] <jammcq> sbalneav had some problems last night too, but they were different. he's getting a libc6 issue from the initramfs
[06:58] <jammcq> his thin client has a via-533 cpu, and I wonder if there's something about the way glibc was built that the via doesn't like
[07:02] <mdz> jammcq: hmm, can I get more detail about the initramfs issue?
[07:03] <mdz> oh, I see
[07:03] <mdz> initramfs-tools seems to be choosing to include the glibc used on the server
[07:03] <jammcq> mdz: not till tonight, when sbalneav gets back online. he's out doing family things
[07:03] <jammcq> hmm, server glibc is really NOT what we want for the client
[07:03] <mdz> I don't think it should be fatal though
[07:04] <mdz> the important stuff in initramfs uses busybox or klibc
[07:04] <siretart> mjg59: around?
[07:04] <mdz> klibc should be plenty to start a thin client
[07:05] <siretart> mjg59: success with p4-clockmod with Celeron M, powernowd does throttle the cpu nicely
[07:05] <jammcq> well, when scott gets back later, he'll have to explain what it's doing
[07:05] <mdz> I only have one netbootable system which isn't an i686, and it's my router so I can't use it as a test platform
[07:06] <mdz> should be trivial to fix though
[07:06] <mdz> if he could file a bug in bugzilla against initramfs-tools, that would be great
[07:06] <jammcq> k
[07:09] <mjg59> siretart: Really? Gosh
[07:09] <mjg59> siretart: I wouldn't recommend it - the latancy is quite poor with p4-clockmod
[07:09] <siretart> mjg59: yes, I'm just writing a comment on the bugzilla entry
[07:09] <mjg59> We ended up blacklisting it because of that. I didn't know it worked on Celerons, though
[07:09] <siretart> mjg59: hey, it's still better than nothing
[07:09] <mjg59> siretart: Arguably not :(
[07:10] <siretart> huh? what problems will arise?
[07:11] <jammcq> dhcpd seems to be doing odd things. for instance, I have 'range 192.168.0.20 192.168.0.63', and it handed out an address of 192.168.0.244 to the client
[07:11] <mdz> are you sure it's talking to the right dhcp server?
[07:11] <mjg59> The processor doesn't speed up fast enough when an application needs CPU time
[07:11] <Lathiat> if it saves power can be usefull to lock it down
[07:11] <mdz> jammcq: ah, I know
[07:12] <mdz> jammcq: you're using ltsp-server-standalone, which overrides the config file with /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[07:12] <mdz> it should probably install /etc/dhcp3/README.ltsp or something
[07:12] <jammcq> huh ?
[07:12] <jammcq> ah
[07:12] <jammcq> ooh, that's scary
[07:13] <jammcq> that would explain my problem with 192.168.254.149 too
[07:14] <siretart> mjg59: hm. true, indeed. openoffice2 starting quite sloppy. what would be the right solution then? improving speedstep_centrino?
[07:15] <Lathiat> imho powernowd itself is slow
[07:15] <Lathiat> the ondemand schedular in the kernel gives much better performance
[07:15] <Lathiat> possibly less power saving but it wasnt terrible
[07:17] <jammcq> but.... I am VERY impressed with how quickly breezy boots and gets to a login screen on the server
[07:20] <mdz> jammcq: compared to Hoary? I wouldn't expect a dramatic difference
[07:21] <mdz> we made a lot of improvements in that area for Hoary though
[07:22] <Keybuk> that being said, breezy does seem to boot a lot faster than hoary by sheer accident
[07:22] <Keybuk> default install is about 10-15s faster
[07:22] <mjg59> siretart: Having a non-crippled CPU
[07:22] <luis_> slightly OT- anyone know if /etc/lsb-release exists in a standard debian install?
[07:23] <siretart> mjg59: hey, thats a canonical laptop ;)
[07:23] <highvoltage> luis_: perhaps you should ask on #debian
[07:23] <mdz> luis_: I don't think any lsb packages are installed by default in Debian at present
[07:24] <luis_> thanks, mdz
[07:27] <mjg59> siretart: Heh
[07:27] <mjg59> siretart: But seriously, there's no good way of supporting power scaling on Celeron machines
[07:28] <siretart> mjg59: OK. I was just scared/confused by the error message from powernowd on bootup
[07:28] <siretart> and I couldn't imagine that intel/ibm would sell such crippled cpu's
[07:28] <jammcq> mdz: ok, i've got a root shell on the thin client. where is that ldm log file?
[07:29] <mdz> jammcq: /var/log/ldm.log
[07:30] <Lathiat> siretart: yeh its called celeron for a reason :)
[07:30] <jammcq> yeah, found it
[07:30] <Lathiat> i knew someone that used to say
[07:30] <Lathiat> sell-air-on
[07:30] <mjg59> siretart: Yeah, the message could possibly do with tidying
[07:30] <Lathiat> (i say sell-err-on)
[07:31] <Lathiat> mjg59: so whatever usplash is doing screws my console after resume (random cruft all over it
[07:31] <jammcq> http://pastebot.geeksinthehood.net:8888/123
[07:31] <Lathiat> yet vesafb works fine after suspend, hrm :P
[07:31] <jammcq> mdz: check that url for the ldm.log file
[07:31] <Lathiat> this is backwards to everyone else apparently :)
[07:32] <mdz> jammcq: sounds like the X server didn't start; check /var/log/Xorg.*.log
[07:32] <mjg59> Lathiat: To what extent?
[07:32] <mjg59> X doesn't come back at all?
[07:32] <Lathiat> no X works fine
[07:33] <Lathiat> my *console* just doesnt work, it has cruft all over it and it doesnt do anything
[07:33] <Lathiat> well it does things, random bits change all over the screen :)
[07:33] <Lathiat> interestingly it runs from top to bottom
[07:33] <mjg59> Are you running the latest X?
[07:33] <jammcq> yeah, xorg.conf doesn't look complete
[07:33] <Lathiat> where as the console is only 640x480 in the middle of the screen
[07:33] <Lathiat> yep
[07:33] <mjg59> Hm. Ok.
[07:33] <mjg59> Interesting.
[07:34] <Lathiat> this is with a nvidia card
[07:34] <Lathiat> i am running the binary drivers, might be upsetting things
[07:34] <Lathiat> (likely)
[07:34] <mjg59> Ah
[07:34] <Lathiat> i might try with nv
[07:34] <mjg59> Can you try without?
[07:34] <Lathiat> ok bbs
[07:34] <mdz> jammcq: is it obviously corrupt?
[07:34] <jammcq> http://pastebot.geeksinthehood.net:8888/124
[07:34] <jammcq> it's just incomplete
[07:34] <mdz> I worked around that bug in ltsp 0.46
[07:35] <mdz> which I apparently forgot to upload
[07:35] <jammcq> heh
[07:35] <mdz> uploaded now
[07:35] <mdz> meanwhile, people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/ltsp/
[07:35] <mdz> you just need the new ltsp-client in the chroot
[07:37] <jammcq> so, in chroot, can I just 'dpkg -i ltsp-client_0.46_i386.deb' ?
[07:38] <mistik1> mdz: op yourself and do the invite
[07:38] <mdz> jammcq: yes
[07:39] <mistik1> now if you goto the webpage you will see ubuntu-devel in the list ;-)
[07:39] <jammcq> mistik1: thanks buddy
[07:39] <mdz> ok
[07:40] <mistik1> I also have no problem with you creating a redirect to the site from a ubuntu-linux.org addy
[07:40] <mistik1> my pleasure
[07:41] <siretart> mjg59: are there any plans of adding tpb to main? I've seen a malone bugreport about trouble with the nvram module not loaded by hotplug/by default, and problems with permissions on /dev/nvram
[07:42] <mistik1> jammcq: btw, I've been thinking about moving to the LISP pastebot which support anotations to the paste and such and such, what do you think of that?
[07:42] <jammcq> mistik1: sounds cool
[07:42] <jammcq> although we should carry on that conversation over at #ltsp
[07:42] <mistik1> this way you could correct a paste that someone made instead of having to tell them what to do
[07:42] <mistik1> ok, my appologies
[07:43] <Lathiat> mjg59: ah ok works with nv
[07:43] <Lathiat> mjg59: unfortunately i stil lhave that 2 line thing which makes my console useless
[07:45] <Lathiat> and someone needs to teach google about AC power and to stop indexing when on battery
[07:45] <Lathiat> err, beagle
[07:46] <mjg59> Lathiat: Hrmph. Weird.
[07:46] <mjg59> siretart: There's no secure way of adding it to main
[07:46] <mjg59> Which sucks
[07:47] <mjg59> I'll look at a cleaner implementation
[07:47] <Lathiat> cleaner impl of?
[07:47] <Lathiat> mjg59: so vesafb breaks suspend on most hardware?
[07:47] <siretart> mjg59: what about the nvram module? Is the typical ubuntu user expected to do a 'echo nvram | sudo tee -a /etc/modules' himself? what are the problems with that?
[07:47] <siretart> Lathiat: cleaner impl of tpb
[07:48] <Lathiat> siretart: ah
[07:48] <mjg59> Lathiat: Yes
[07:48] <Lathiat> mjg59: do you have any idea how i can find a list of vesa modes for my specific hardware?
[07:48] <mjg59> Uh. There shouldn't be specific vesa modes
[07:48] <Lathiat> well apparently you can get some for liek widescreen
[07:49] <Lathiat> that vary
[07:49] <mjg59> The numbering is part of the standard
[07:49] <mjg59> Oh, eww
[07:49] <Lathiat> (just what ive heard, i could be wrong)
[07:49] <mjg59> That's not strictly vesa, then
[07:49] <Lathiat> so maybe not
[07:49] <Lathiat> where can i get a list of vesa modes?
[07:49] <mjg59> siretart: nvram probably ought to be autoloaded, but that won't help the tpb case
[07:49] <Lathiat> (higher than those in the kernel docs)
[07:49] <mjg59> Lathiat: I think the VESA spec is open
[07:50] <Lathiat> mjg59: hrm is it ?
[07:50] <siretart> mjg59: shall I file a but about nvram? against which package then? hotplug?
[07:50] <mjg59> Lathiat: http://www.vesa.org/Public/VBE/vbe3.pdf
[07:50] <siretart> I know that this wont solve the tpb problem for itself. thats just a first step
[07:51] <mjg59> siretart: Hmm. hotplug probably isn't the right choice - there's no way of it knowing
[07:51] <mjg59> It probably ought to be in /etc/modules by default on x86 and amd64
[07:52] <siretart> hm. I'll write a mail to ubuntu-devel, then
[08:05] <Lathiat> mjg59: eeps why is usplash seeded in main already?
[08:05] <mjg59> Lathiat: Because it's targetted at Breezy
[08:06] <Lathiat> heh ok
[08:06] <Lathiat> damn stupid hardware
[08:07] <mjg59> Lathiat: It should be fine on any hardware that the installer was fine on
[08:07] <Lathiat> mjg59: installer isnt fine either :)
[08:07] <mjg59> Well, indeed
[08:07] <Lathiat> im sure it worked at one point, way back, i should try the warty installer
[08:08] <mjg59> So you disable vga16 during the install, and then usplash doesn't run either
[08:08] <mjg59> So it doesn't break anyone
[08:08] <Lathiat> well usplash still boots if you take splash out
[08:08] <Lathiat> be good if you could fix that
[08:08] <mjg59> Does it? Grah.
[08:08] <mjg59> It's not meant to.
[08:08] <Lathiat> yeh someone else mentioned it earlier but i'll try it again if you want
[08:09] <mjg59> The script looks ok
[08:09] <mjg59> Hrm
[08:09] <Lathiat> theres also other random errors
[08:10] <Lathiat> like i get a chroot: command not foudn adn stuff at the end of the boot
[08:10] <Lathiat> know about that?
[08:10] <mjg59> Yeah, there's some tidying up stuff needed in the initramfs stuff
[08:10] <mjg59> I'm not sure why the chmod throws an error
[08:10] <Lathiat> no path i assume
[08:10] <mjg59> chmod g+rw /dev/fb0
[08:10] <Keybuk> heh @ ssh ... I appear to have just got a screenful of "Killed by signal 1."
[08:10] <mjg59> Ought to be ok. Weird.
[08:11] <Lathiat> i assume theres no path and you want /bin/chmod ?
[08:12] <mjg59> Doesn't it give "chmod: no such file or directory" rather than "sh: chmod - command not found"?
[08:12] <Lathiat> er
[08:12] <Lathiat> let me look
[08:13] <Lathiat> /scripts/init-premount/usplash: 44: chmod: not found
[08:13] <mjg59> Ah. Hm.
[08:13] <mjg59> Yeah, maybe it needs a path, then
[08:17] <Lathiat> mjg59: also my cpu speed has a habbit of getting stuck on 600mhz requiring you to stop, start, stop, start powernowd to get moving agian (i think its a kernel bug tho as doing stuff in /sys fails to) -- hard of that one? (pentium-m)
[08:17] <mjg59> Hrm. Nope.
[08:17] <mjg59> We'll probably switch away from powernowd, though
[08:18] <Lathiat> and i've even seen it, with powernowd stop, drop and get stuck on 600
[08:18] <Lathiat> i think that was only once tho
[08:18] <Lathiat> mjg59: and use what?
[08:18] <tseng> Lathiat: i think that is more just powernowd sucking
[08:18] <tseng> but i see the same
[08:18] <mjg59> Lathiat: ondemand
[08:18] <Lathiat> tseng: well i thought that, except that if i restart it
[08:18] <Lathiat> its still stuck
[08:18] <mjg59> The kernel can do it on its own
[08:18] <Lathiat> i have to restart it a second time
[08:18] <Lathiat> mjg59: cool, that works better
[08:19] <Lathiat> and echoing something into /sys gives some weird error
[08:19] <Lathiat> but restarting powernowd twice seems to get it going again
[08:19] <jammcq> mdz: ldm seems to be stuck in a loop. I see X for a second, then the screen blanks, and about 5 seconds of pause, and then it does it again. Looking at the ldm python script, seems like either Xorg or the greeter is failing
[08:20] <Lathiat> tseng: and yeh, thats mighty annoying
[08:20] <tseng> that sounds like an x server or configuration problem
[08:20] <tseng> gdm tries to restart X every 5 seconds
[08:21] <jammcq> the Xserver seems ok, cuz I see the gray screen with X cursor, but then the screen goes away
[08:21] <jammcq> it's not GDM
[08:21] <jammcq> this is on a thin client, using ldm
[08:31] <Lathiat> mjg59: heeres something interesting
[08:31] <Lathiat> mjg59: if i turn video expansion on, it works fine
[08:31] <mjg59> Lathiat: Haha
[08:31] <Lathiat> same goes for the warty install
[08:31] <Lathiat> broken with it off, works with it on
[08:31] <mjg59> Ok - that'll be vbetool posting it oddly
[08:31] <mjg59> Oh, I see what you mean
[08:32] <mjg59> Hm. Not a lot we can do there, I guess
[08:32] <Lathiat> (and by works i mean, vga16fb doesnt do the weird thing)
[08:32] <mjg59> Except find someone who knows more about vga hardware
[08:32] <Lathiat> heh yeh
[08:32] <Lathiat> the isolinux boot screen seems to look right
[08:32] <Lathiat> altho it wasnt scrolling down
[08:33] <mjg59> Windows seems to manage
[08:34] <mdz> jammcq: anything in the log?
[08:35] <Lathiat> mjg59: yeh
[08:35] <Lathiat> bios screen too
[08:37] <jammcq> mdz: working on getting to the log
[08:38] <mjg59> Lathiat: Is the bios screen graphical?
[08:40] <Lathiat> mjg59: yeh
[08:40] <Lathiat> mjg59: has a logo etc
[08:41] <Lathiat> big thunking dell in the middle :)
[08:45] <jammcq> mdz: ldm.log shows: Didn't get the right output from the greeter
[08:46] <mdz> jammcq: only that?
[08:46] <jammcq> yep
[08:46] <jammcq> I changed the 'while True' to 'if True' in ldm, to make it run only once
[08:47] <mdz> yeah, i need to do something about that error reporting
[08:47] <mdz> let me upgrade my chroot to current breezy and see if something obvious has broken
[08:47] <jammcq> k
[08:47] <jammcq> are you just doing 'apt-get upgrade' ?
[08:47] <mdz> jammcq: you might try running the greeter by hand with an appropriate DISPLAY
[08:47] <jammcq> but I don't have an Xserver running
[08:48] <mdz> surely you have one somewhere on your network ;-)
[08:48] <jammcq> ah
[08:48] <jammcq> true enough
[08:49] <mdz> I'm doing chroot/apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:49] <jammcq> k
[08:49] <jammcq> mdz: ImportError: No module named cairo
[08:50] <mdz> hmm, I wonder whose bug that is
[08:51] <mdz> I think probably python-gtk or python-glade
[08:51] <mdz> jammcq: can you paste the full backtrace?
[08:51] <jammcq> sure
[08:51] <mdz> jammcq: meanwhile, installing python-cairo should get it past that
[08:52] <mdz> I need to do something about the error reporting in ldm; it ought to do something useful with the console
[08:52] <Lathiat> mjg59: hrm, you should hastle daniels to get glxinfo in breezy
[08:53] <mjg59> Lathiat: Haha
[08:53] <no_paste> "jammcq" pasted "gtk greeter traceback" (6 lines) at http://pastebot.geeksinthehood.net:8888/130
[08:53] <mjg59> Lathiat: I'm running out of daniels favours :)
[08:53] <jammcq> there ya go
[08:53] <Lathiat> glxgears would also be a usefull quick test
[08:53] <Lathiat> mjg59: heh
[08:54] <mdz> jammcq: python-gtk bug, thanks
[08:55] <jammcq> mdz: all part of the shake out I guess :)
[08:55] <mdz> this would have broken quite recently
[08:55] <mdz> wednesday
[08:56] <mdz> things should start being less broken in feature freeze
[08:57] <mdz> 240X? sounds old
[08:57] <mjg59> It is
[08:57] <mjg59> But it's lovely
[08:58] <mjg59> Only problem is some weird yenta bug. It's probably biting other people too.
[08:59] <mdz> jammcq: I'm keen to see what the performance is like with your thin client and ssh
[08:59] <mdz> I was surprised at how fast it was for me, but my laptop is fairly beefy by thin client standards
[09:01] <Keybuk> mdz: would you have any objection to syncing devscripts 2.9.4 from Debian?
[09:01] <mdz> Keybuk: depends on what's changed
[09:01] <Keybuk> added support for "bts block" and "bts unblock"
[09:02] <mdz> that's all?
[09:02] <Keybuk> a couple of bug fixes:
[09:02] <Keybuk> [ Julian Gilbey ]
[09:02] <Keybuk> * bts: fix forwarded command (Closes: #320703)
[09:02] <Keybuk> * debchange: un-html-ise bug titles when using --closes
[09:02] <Keybuk>
[09:02] <Keybuk> [ Joey Hess ]
[09:02] <Keybuk> * bts: Support new block and unblock commands.
[09:02] <mdz> no objections
[09:02] <Keybuk> k, I'll ask elmo
[09:11] <mdz> Keybuk: you're back home now?
[09:12] <Keybuk> yup
[09:13] <Lathiat> mjg59: ehci, uhci, usb 1.1/2, which is which?
[09:13] <mjg59> ehci - usb2
[09:13] <mjg59> uhci and ohci are usb1
[09:14] <\sh> ohci is compaq style usb1 isn't it?
[09:14] <mjg59> Yes
[09:14] <mjg59> Also seen in Apples and most add-on ehci cards
[09:16] <\sh> hmm...lets wrap up my first stuff for laptop testing
[09:49] <Diablo-D3> hey all
[09:49] <Diablo-D3> is it me, or is it hard to find a list of what patches are applied to ubuntu's kernel?
[09:53] <Seveas> Diablo-D3, linux-patch-ubuntu-2.6.10 - Ubuntu patches to Linux 2.6.10
[09:53] <Lathiat> it is a tad hard, if you apt-get source linux-image-`uname -r` all the patches are in debian/patches
[09:53] <Seveas> (please note that #ubuntu-devel is not a support channel, #ubuntu is for support)
[09:54] <Diablo-D3> Seveas: not asking for support ;)
[09:54] <Diablo-D3> I actually came here to start a discussion on pre-empt and low latency.
[09:55] <Diablo-D3> but I wanted to see if the ubuntu kernel already had those first
[09:55] <Diablo-D3> does anyone actually know if it does, btw?
[09:55] <Seveas> Diablo-D3, grep -i preempt /boot/config-*
[09:56] <Seveas> CONFIG_PREEMPT=y
[09:56] <Diablo-D3> /boot/config-2.6.10-5-k7:CONFIG_PREEMPT=y
[09:56] <Diablo-D3> /boot/config-2.6.12-6-k7:# CONFIG_PREEMPT is not set
[09:56] <Diablo-D3> so... preempt has been turned off?
[09:56] <Seveas> no
[09:56] <Seveas> it's =y
[09:56] <Diablo-D3> read 2.6.12
[09:57] <mdke> looks like it's off
[09:57] <Seveas> ah
[09:57] <mdke> Diablo-D3, there is a #ubuntu-kernel chan if it helps at all
[09:57] <Diablo-D3> mdke: hah cool
[09:57] <Keybuk> elmo: thanks (re: devscripts)
[09:58] <Diablo-D3> its right to treat ubuntu as a desktop distro, right?
[09:58] <Diablo-D3> it seems very odd not to have preempt and low latency in a desktop kernel
[09:59] <Seveas> it's right to treat is as a distro suitable for the desktop, but not *just* as desktop distro
[09:59] <Diablo-D3> Seveas: yeah, but if they wanted a server distro, wouldnt they just run debian?
[09:59] <mdke> argh
[10:00] <mdke> this is not really the place for such discussions Diablo-D3
[10:00] <Seveas> indeed
[10:00] <Diablo-D3> there doesnt seem to be a place for such discussions, mdke
[10:00] <Seveas> come to #ubuntu or #ubuntu-off-topic for that
[10:00] <Seveas> #ubuntu-offtopic that is
[10:00] <Diablo-D3> #ubuntu doesnt work because its full of morons who chatter too much
[10:00] <Seveas> right, morons huh
[10:00] <Seveas> good luck getting help/discussion then
[10:01] <Diablo-D3> Seveas: lets face it, there are too many people asking help in there
[10:01] <mjg59> Diablo-D3: People asking for help in a user support channel? Goodness.
[10:02] <Seveas> Diablo-D3, come to #ubuntu-offtopic for this discussion. Not in here.
[11:08] <Burgundavia> mjg59, ping
[11:11] <mjg59> Burgundavia: Hi
[11:12] <Burgundavia> mjg59, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/ToshibaTecraA5 <-- first draft of a standard form. This is for my laptop. I will add/change to make it copy&paste operation
[11:12] <mjg59> Burgundavia: Ok, excellent
[11:14] <ajmitch_> how much more info will you want?
[11:14] <ajmitch_> as much useful/relevant info as we can provide?
[11:14] <Burgundavia> mjg59, if I forgot something, it is an accident, not intentional
[11:14] <mjg59> Burgundavia: Looks good so far
[11:14] <Burgundavia> mjg59, matthew east (mdke) is concerned about forcing peole to use one form
[11:14] <mjg59> It's going to become difficult to consolidate otherwise
[11:15] <mdke> as a personal thing i don't like those tables
[11:15] <mjg59> The aim of this is to provide information to users
[11:15] <mdke> perhaps the whole thing should be consolidated from the start
[11:15] <mjg59> Unless that information is presented in a consistent way, it's not very helpful
[11:15] <Burgundavia> I think I can fix the table widths
[11:16] <Burgundavia> or make it all one big table
[11:16] <mdke> LaptopTestingHardware is already there, that could be used
[11:16] <mjg59> mdke: I'm not that keen on it - the information isn't really fine-grained enough
[11:16] <mdke> and testers could be encouraged to flesh things out in their own reports
[11:17] <mjg59> And there's a lot of missing information
[11:17] <mdke> mjg59, well small changes could be made to that table, but to be honest, if you want a consolidated record, it's going to be very difficult to have a lot of detail
[11:17] <mdke> there is a limit to how wide a table can be ;)
[11:17] <mdke> I like the LaptopTestingSpec as a guide
[11:18] <ajmitch_> mdke: it's a good start, but I think more info can be better
[11:18] <ajmitch_> but it depends on whether the info will be used for developers, or primarily users
[11:18] <mdke> here is what I have done, for comparison https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/ThinkpadT43. mjg59 obviously if the decision is taken to change the Spec, that's no problem for me
[11:18] <mjg59> mdke: By consolitdated I don't mean all visible at once - I mean a comparitive overview and a consistent way of finding out the details
[11:18] <mdke> ah
[11:18] <r0bby> is there a list of breezy bugs i can take a look at?
[11:18] <Burgundavia> if it is for developers, it needs to be a fast read
[11:18] <r0bby> :P
[11:19] <mdke> Burgundavia, bugzilla is for developers, what you guys are talking about is for users
[11:19] <r0bby> (not seeking support
[11:19] <r0bby> :P
[11:19] <mjg59> Users don't want to see "This works if you do this". They want to see "this works", and it's our job to make sure that it does
[11:19] <mdke> agreed
[11:19] <Diablo-D3> I dont know the context, but I agree with mjg
[11:20] <Diablo-D3> linux has too much "works if you do this"
[11:20] <mdke> mjg59, of course testers need to file a bug whenever something doesn't "just work"
[11:20] <Diablo-D3> it needs more "plain simple works"
[11:20] <mjg59> mdke: Absolutely
[11:20] <ajmitch_> right, I thought the main context of the reports we filed was for developers
[11:20] <mdke> btw tpb doesn't get installed out of the box
[11:20] <mjg59> ajmitch_: Ah, sorry. It's both
[11:20] <mdke> >_<
[11:20] <mjg59> tpb can't be made to work out of the box
[11:20] <mjg59> Not without rewriting it
[11:20] <mjg59> It's a screaming security nightmare
[11:21] <ajmitch_> hopefully the one I get to test will arrive in the next week or two :)
[11:21] <mdke> mjg59, users don't want to hear that :p
[11:21] <mjg59> mdke: Yeah. Instead we tell them "this doesn't work" until it does
[11:21] <ajmitch_> mjg59: if I get a thinkpad, I'll look at working on it :)
[11:21] <Diablo-D3> what is tpb?
[11:21] <mdke> anyhow those tables are hard to read
[11:21] <mdke> IMHO
[11:21] <mjg59> Diablo-D3: Thinkpad buttons daemon
[11:21] <opi> hi guys
[11:21] <Diablo-D3> ahh
[11:22] <Diablo-D3> yeah, I can imagine
[11:22] <Diablo-D3> laptop goodies are Evil (tm)
[11:22] <Burgundavia> mdke, ajmitch_ mjg59 ok, tried one big table
[11:23] <mjg59> ajmitch_: Heh. I know what you're getting - I can tell you if you want
[11:23] <Diablo-D3> I wish there was a generic framework to make everything Just Work (tm)
[11:23] <mjg59> Diablo-D3: In the long run, hal may help there
[11:23] <ajmitch_> mjg59: that'd be good
[11:23] <mdke> Burgundavia, big improvement
[11:23] <tseng> ajmitch_: no spoilers!
[11:23] <ajmitch_> tseng: well claire tells us before they're sent, apparantly :)
[11:23] <mjg59> ajmitch_: Ought to be a Dell 510m
[11:23] <Diablo-D3> mjg59: thats what people I know are hoping for
[11:23] <mdke> Burgundavia, i still personally prefer <h>s and <li>s tho
[11:23] <Diablo-D3> mjg59: but theres lots of other stuff that doesnt just work
[11:23] <tseng> ajmitch_: oh. i need to find a fax machine, claire couldnt verify my clearsign for some reason
[11:24] <opi> tseng: don't tell me :)
[11:25] <Diablo-D3> mjg59: like, non-usbmsd cameras (and such) dont Just Work (tm)
[11:25] <ajmitch_> tseng: right, I scanned & gpg-signed
[11:25] <opi> tseng: I don't even know how to operate one ;)
[11:25] <ajmitch_> mjg59: thanks
[11:25] <tseng> opi: /me barely
[11:25] <opi> ajmitch_: and it worked?
[11:25] <mjg59> Diablo-D3: Stuff that plugs into the serial port is immense pain
[11:25] <Diablo-D3> mjg59: I meant the usb ones that arent msd
[11:25] <Burgundavia> tseng, opi that is why the local office supply place is great. You say fax and here is the number
[11:25] <opi> tseng: well, there's allways time to learn new tricks ;>
[11:25] <mjg59> Hrm. USB cameras ought to work.
[11:25] <opi> Burgundavia: that's my plan ;)
[11:25] <Diablo-D3> usb cameras that are MSD do work
[11:25] <mjg59> libgphoto is supposed to deal automatically
[11:25] <mdke> mjg59, did you see #13390 btw? looks like most of the thinkpad people have had it
[11:25] <mjg59> mdke: Yeah, I had that when I got mine a few years ago
[11:25] <Diablo-D3> mjg59: gphoto integration works now?
[11:25] <mjg59> mdke: I think I may know a couple of ways around it
[11:25] <mjg59> Diablo-D3: It's supposed to, but I have no hardware to test it with
[11:25] <Diablo-D3> mjg59: ubuntu may be the first distro ever to have it working =/
[11:25] <mdke> mjg59, that would be cool, its a fair blocker
[11:25] <opi> btw: If I've submitted a bug to Malone
[11:25] <Diablo-D3> the current redhat and mandrake and whatever else is popular releases completely fail here
[11:26] <Burgundavia> mjg59, if you want to edit my page, go ahead
[11:26] <mdke> mjg59, thank god I made rescue disks. I'm already on my second restore to factory settings
[11:26] <opi> is is someone from MOTU noticed if the package has no MOTU-owner?
[11:26] <ajmitch_> opi: for bugs?
[11:26] <tseng> motu doesnt own every package
[11:26] <opi> ajmitch_: yes
[11:26] <Burgundavia> mjg59, once we are happy with the design, I will copy over to generic page and announce it
[11:26] <opi> tseng: I know, that's why I'm asking
[11:26] <ajmitch_> opi: no, they have to be assigned to MOTU for us to notice, or we watch #ubuntu-bugs
[11:26] <tseng> oh, i see what you mean
[11:26] <opi> tseng: what if a package is just imported
[11:26] <Diablo-D3> (and yes, comparing to redhat and mandrake and whatever is important, if they get something right and Ubuntu doesnt, thats a bad thing)
[11:26] <tseng> Burgundavia likes to assign those ones to the spam bin
[11:26] <mjg59> Burgundavia: Excellent
[11:26] <tseng> send to all motu
[11:26] <Diablo-D3> of course, ubuntu gets so many things right <3
[11:27] <mjg59> There should be a laptop-testing list next week
[11:27] <mdke> mjg59, you think the tables work for readability? I still don't like em
[11:27] <opi> ajmitch_: OK then, I'll try to fix it myself and I'll put it up to review
[11:27] <Diablo-D3> mjg59: how do I join the laptop-testing team?
[11:27] <mjg59> Diablo-D3: I'll post stuff once the list exists
[11:27] <mdke> Diablo-D3, visit the wiki page
[11:27] <Diablo-D3> mjg59: I have a popular laptop, a presario 7xx series laptop
[11:27] <mjg59> mdke: I think they work for developer-level readability
[11:27] <Diablo-D3> amd duron, via chip, twisterk video chip
[11:27] <mdke> mjg59, if the testers are filing bugs, IMHO the wiki page is mainly for users
[11:28] <Diablo-D3> quite a lot of these were manufactured, and they're quite unsupported at times =/
[11:28] <Diablo-D3> like, I /still/ cant get the backlight to turn off, and I've been trying for a year now to do that
[11:28] <opi> my Tecra8000 works almost flawless :)
[11:28] <mjg59> mdke: The information from those pages will be grabbe and reformatted for end-users
[11:28] <opi> you only need to kick ISA-sound a bit
[11:29] <Diablo-D3> and it supposibly has a thermal chip, but its only supported by Compaq's own drivers
[11:29] <Diablo-D3> and its not connected through the via686a chip, and the lm-sensors project has basically refused to support it
[11:29] <mdke> mjg59, ok whatever you guys decide is fine, as long as a final spec is produced and we don't have to keep reformatting our reports
[11:29] <opi> Diablo-D3: pita
[11:29] <mjg59> mdke: What does fdisk claim the partition type of your recovery partition is?
[11:29] <Diablo-D3> opi: very.
[11:29] <mjg59> mdke: Ok, no problem
[11:30] <Diablo-D3> I normally wouldnt care, but this laptop series has severe overheating issues
[11:30] <Diablo-D3> and I mean /severe/
[11:30] <Burgundavia> mjg59, how do we want to handle multiple people with the same laptop? should they just edit the same page?
[11:30] <mdke> mjg59, if you post on the bug report how I can find out, I'll do it next time I reinstall Ubuntu (i've just restored to factory settings)
[11:30] <Diablo-D3> the only way Ive found to fix it is to just have it run at the lowest dynamic cpu speed
[11:30] <mjg59> mdke: Ok, thanks
[11:30] <Diablo-D3> (cpufreq for the win)
[11:30] <Diablo-D3> man, we need a #ubuntu-laptops
[11:30] <Diablo-D3> or something
[11:31] <opi> #laptops'r'us
[11:31] <mdke> --> bed
[11:32] <Diablo-D3> laptops are such pains in the ass
[11:32] <Diablo-D3> why cant someone just make a totally standards compliant laptop
[11:32] <Diablo-D3> one that works out of the box with a number of popular distros
[11:32] <Diablo-D3> like, you know what I hate? having to manually install and setup the synaptic driver for the touchpad
[11:32] <opi> Diablo-D3: too expensive to play with all the parts
[11:33] <Diablo-D3> opi: yeah, but why the hell did compaq /make their own thermal chip/
[11:33] <opi> no idea
[11:33] <Diablo-D3> instead of using some popular chip that plugs into the via686a chipset
[11:33] <Burgundavia> mjg59, what do you think about making it one big table for both releases?
[11:33] <Diablo-D3> you know, /like everyone else did/
[11:33] <Diablo-D3> I'd strangle Compaq, but someone beat me to it.
[11:34] <opi> I'm lucky with Toshiba, with apcitool (I've packaged that: badly;-) I can even turn fan on/off and hibernate it ;)
[11:34] <Diablo-D3> heh
[11:34] <Diablo-D3> the fan is automatic on mine
[11:34] <Diablo-D3> it ramps up the hotter the laptop gets
[11:34] <opi> I think that people who did a electronic for this laptop, are/was brianless
[11:34] <Diablo-D3> thats another thing, btw
[11:36] <opi> imagine: fan starts at (let say) 40c
[11:36] <Diablo-D3> lm-sensors is not automatically setup on any distro
[11:36] <grover> the mfgrs need to be held accountable for bad thermal designs
[11:36] <opi> fan kicks in, temp is going down to 39c
[11:36] <opi> fan stops
[11:36] <opi> it takes ~15 secunds to get to the 40c level again
[11:36] <Diablo-D3> grover: no shit, I've heard stories where presario 700 series laptops literally melted
[11:36] <opi> fan starts
[11:36] <Burgundavia> opi, Diablo-D3 this discussion is probably best taken elsewhere
[11:36] <opi> Burgundavia: right
[11:36] <Diablo-D3> Burgundavia: I said that earlier
[11:36] <Diablo-D3> Burgundavia: we need an #ubuntu-laptop
[11:36] <opi> Diablo-D3: I'm there ;)
[11:36] <mxpxpod> Diablo-D3 and opi: same here
[11:37] <mjg59> mdke: Ok, I've updated the bug
[11:38] <Diablo-D3> yay
[11:38] <Diablo-D3> #ubuntu-laptop is open for buisness
[11:39] <Burgundavia> mjg59, please take at look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/ToshibaTecraA5 again
[11:40] <mjg59> Burgundavia: Ok, that works nicely for me
[11:40] <Burgundavia> mjg59, mdke suggested it
[11:43] <Burgundavia> mjg59, for the function keys/special keys, do you want a keycode as well?
[11:44] <mjg59> Burgundavia: If they generate one. Note that Breezy has much more support by default.
[11:45] <Burgundavia> mjg59, ok
[11:50] <mpt> oh, snap
[11:51] <Burgundavia> mpt, go ahead
[11:52] <mpt> Is there a doc somewhere on how to install under a chroot?
[11:53] <mpt> (is that even a useful testable configuration?)
[11:53] <mpt> Burgundavia: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTesting updated
[11:54] <Burgundavia> thanks
[11:54] <mpt> Now making the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingHardware table narrower
[11:56] <Burgundavia> mjg59, what do we want to do with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingHardware
[11:56] <Burgundavia> mjg59, it is really that useful?
[11:56] <mjg59> Burgundavia: Leave it for now, I'll worry about it later
[11:56] <Burgundavia> mjg59, ok
[11:56] <mpt> ah, good point
[11:57] <mpt> Why are there many more rows in LaptopTestingHardware than there are subpages of LaptopTestingTeam?
[11:57] <Burgundavia> mpt, shrink the table down
[11:57] <Burgundavia> mpt, Hardware is old
[11:57] <Burgundavia> the subpages are new and what we are going to be using in the future
[11:58] <mpt> oh
[11:58] <mpt> So should LaptopTestingHardware be nuked?
[11:58] <mpt> (I didn't like that name anyway...)
[11:58] <Burgundavia> no
[11:58] <Burgundavia> just mention at the top that it is deprecated
[11:59] <mpt> That Lakin guy just added himself to LaptopTestingHardware
[11:59] <mpt> Lakin Wecker
[11:59] <Burgundavia> yes
[12:00] <Burgundavia> not a problem
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2005-08-19-#launchpad
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[12:43] <sivang> jordi: Howdy :)
[01:47] <hashar> doh
[01:47] <hashar> need to convert my applications language files to .po .pot :p
[02:47] <ddaa> jamesh: I'm looking into integrating python with gedit. I have setup a trivial "python hello world" plugin already and looked at pyphany for inspiration, but I was quite scared by all the GNU standards goo and glib-gtk-gnome voodoo that involved.
[02:49] <ddaa> jamesh: do you know some synthetic online resources about making a gnu standards compliant package (autoconf-automake-gettext-libtool-pkgtool-whatever), using the pygtk binding generation magic, and that sort of things
[02:50] <ddaa> also, using the gnome terminal widget to hack toghether a python console instead of the hack used by pyphany
[02:50] <ddaa> (though I could cannibalise that one easily)
[02:51] <ddaa> also I'm unclear about how I should handle the "provide python support for gedit" case. Should I make a python loader plugin that supplement the plugin dialog of gedit, or should I look for a way to make it seamless?
[03:18] <sivang> hey ddaa
[03:18] <sivang> ddaa: some interesting stuff you do there :) you want to turn gedit to a Python IDE ?
[03:19] <ddaa> Just dicking around.
[03:19] <sivang> ddaa: what ado you want to do python plugin for gedit?
[03:20] <ddaa> I have some ideas about where I would like to go. Mostly, I got there from gobby.
[03:20] <ddaa> I was interested in collaborative text editing for a little while, and gobby is most promising project I have found so far. But it's C++, so I will not contribute to it directly for fun.
[03:21] <sivang> I see. does it allow concurrent modifications?
[03:22] <ddaa> sabfl suggested integrating collaborative editing into gedit, so I'm thinking about making python binding for gedit, binding for gobby, then glue that toghether.
[03:22] <ddaa> sivang: I talk about it a bit in my blog
[03:22] <sivang> Gobby looks pretty nice, yeah
[03:22] <sivang> ddaa: can I please have the link?
[03:22] <ddaa> http://ddaa.net/blog
[03:22] <sivang> ddaa: thx
[03:23] <sivang> ddaa: was trying to ping jamesh about lpint-bonobo, is he supposed to come online today?
[03:24] <ddaa> It's sunday. Sometimes people are around sometimes not. They are really required to be there only on weekdays.
[03:25] <sivang> ddaa: k, was just asking no demands posted :)
[03:25] <sivang> ddaa: libre software link is broken, btw
[03:25] <ddaa> ha?
[03:25] <ddaa> bah, only one I did not test
[03:25] <sivang> ddaa: in the *very* intersting essay you have there on the first palge :)
[03:26] <sivang> ddaa: s/palge/page/
[03:27] <ddaa> fixed link, thanks
[03:28] <bob2> nifty
[03:29] <sivang> ddaa: no prob, nice story. I wish more companies would have worked that way :)
[03:30] <ddaa> That's quite 21st century thing, and it's quite difficult and relies on a limited pool of intelligent and higly motivated individuals. I'm not sure how far it can scale.
[03:30] <sivang> ddaa: probably true. I can see lost of the "corporate" way of doing things compensates for lack of competence or skills :-/
[03:31] <sivang> s/lost/lots/
[03:31] <ddaa> Yeah, Sturgeon's law.
[03:31] <ddaa> 99% of everything is grunge.
[03:31] <ddaa> 99% of programmers are not good programmers.
[03:32] <ddaa> and 99% of execs are probably completely unable to work in such a setting.
[03:46] <sivang> ddaa: anyway, there is alot more then just doing stuff efficiently and with quality in the distributed development school,
[03:47] <sivang> ddaa: it becomes plain fun :)
[03:48] <ddaa> somehow things seem to get less fun when you are paid for doing them, but as job goes that's a a good company.
[03:49] <ddaa> even though some people may disagree, for understandable reasons
[03:50] <sivang> ofcourse. I think that it taking efforts in supporting what I think its a revolution, even if the work is less fun now and then, the general goal is till worth while and can give motivation.
[03:50] <sivang> s/its/is/
[03:50] <sivang> (e.g., supporting open source, ppromoting it, making it accessible to everyone)
[03:53] <ddaa> I'd like to discuss that more, but I have some IRL appointments
[03:53] <ddaa> things like walking around in a park with family
[03:53] <sivang> ddaa: sure, thanks for chatting
[06:12] <sivang> hey Keybuk , 'sup?
[06:16] <Keybuk> hey
[07:59] <seadog_> hi
[07:59] <seadog_> any rosetta admin online?
[08:06] <seadog_> ok then :) bye
[09:50] <kostkon> hi
[09:52] <kostkon> i was doing a little of translating and I stumbled across these "_". Are these mnemonics, do we have to honour them. New to translation stuff.
[09:54] <kostkon> anyone?!
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2005-08-19-#kubuntu
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[12:02] <nik> i have wo hharddirves
[12:02] <PieD> ?
[12:02] <nik> two*
[12:02] <PieD> ok
[12:02] <PieD> I understood "no"
[12:02] <nik> lol
[12:02] <PieD> where are your windows partitions ?
[12:02] <nik> watya mean?
[12:03] <PieD> do you have only one windows partition, which is the first of the first harddrive ?
[12:03] <PieD> (and so on)
[12:03] <nik> oh
[12:03] <nik> lemme check
[12:04] <pax> PieD: pas besoin de savoir, le scipt cherche la partition et la mount :-)
[12:04] <nik> its hda2 but the first one is 32 m
[12:05] <PieD> pax: alors explique lui clairement que c'est un programme qu'il doit enregistrer quelque part...
[12:05] <pax> PieD: deja fait, je peux pas spoon feed les bebes :c
[12:05] <PieD> bon je m'en charge
[12:06] <PieD> nik: the link http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab provides a script
[12:06] <PieD> save it for instance in your home folder
[12:06] <PieD> and when you'll launch it, it'll do all the job alone :)
[12:06] <Rogue_Jedi_X> nik: wget http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab ~
[12:07] <PieD> pax: le script serait mieux en python :p
[12:07] <nik> what the hell is wrong wiht kate it keeps bouncign but wont open
[12:07] <nik> its naoying me
[12:07] <nik> anoying*
[12:12] <nik> its not working
[12:12] <jpatrick> what are the default fonts?
[12:13] <PieD> nik: what happens exactly ?
[12:13] <nik> whats suposed to happen?
[12:13] <nik> wait
[12:13] <nik> ok
[12:13] <nik> so i copied it into kwrite
[12:13] <nik> saved it on my desktop
[12:13] <nik> do i jstu open it?
[12:13] <PieD> no
[12:14] <PieD> [00:01:45] <pax> nik, save it, name it something then in console type: sudo bash <whatever_you_named_it>
[12:14] <nik> it saved as a shell script
[12:14] <nik> jstu the name or /home/w/e/
[12:14] <PieD> so open a console (for instance do alt+f2 => konsole)
[12:14] <PieD> cd Desktop
[12:14] <PieD> sudo bash name_of_the_file
[12:14] <nik> o crap
[12:14] <nik> desktop has ot be capitalized
[12:14] <nik> ok
[12:14] <PieD> (use the tab key to complete automagically the filename)
[12:14] <PieD> names are case sensitive
[12:15] <PieD> that's the rule
[12:15] <nik> btw shoudl i use the first one or the second link
[12:15] <nik> there differnt
[12:15] <nik> but the introdutcion is the same
[12:15] <PieD> the second link is perhaps better ? (I don't know, I discovered both about 15 minutes ago :)
[12:15] <nik> #!/bin/bash
[12:15] <nik> ####################
[12:15] <nik> # This utility searches for available HFS+, NTFS and FAT32 partitions, creates
[12:15] <nik> # mount points for them and adds them to /etc/fstab
[12:15] <nik> # (c)2005 Dennis Kaarsemaker <[email protected]>
[12:15] <nik> #
[12:15] <nik> # This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
[12:16] <PieD> .........
[12:16] <jpatrick> rofl @ Excess Flood
[12:17] <PieD> why isn't ubuntu mounting NTFS and FAT32 partitions when you install it ?
[12:17] <nik> hello?
[12:17] <PieD> nik couldn't do shorter :p
[12:18] <PieD> nik: you can't paste too much text !
[12:18] <nik> sorry
[12:18] <PieD> it's forbidden by the servers
[12:18] <nik> wrong thign
[12:18] <nik> was in the clipboard
[12:18] <nik> my bad
[12:18] <PieD> what IRC client do you use ?
[12:19] <nik> konversation
[12:19] <PieD> konversation warns you before sending big texts
[12:19] <nik> usualy xchat htough
[12:19] <nik> it didnt this time
[12:19] <jpatrick> :o
[12:19] <nik> lol
[12:19] <nik> i was trying to paste the link
[12:19] <nik> but it pasted what was in the link
[12:19] <nik> anyway
[12:19] <nik> it says
[12:19] <nik> unexpected toekn newline
[12:20] <nik> i typed sudo bash <thing2>
[12:20] <nik> tahts what i called it
[12:20] <jpatrick> try: sudo bash thingy2
[12:20] <nik> thingy?
[12:20] <jpatrick> ah thing
[12:21] <jpatrick> sudo bash thing2
[12:21] <nik> ya it worked
[12:21] <nik> lets see
[12:21] <nik> now
[12:21] <nik> yeyyy
[12:21] <nik> this wont scru up anythign in windows right?
[12:21] <PieD> jpatrick: do you know why NTFS and FAT32 aren't handled by the installer ?
[12:21] <PieD> this won't do anything bad on your windows partitions
[12:21] <nik> yeyyy
[12:22] <PieD> it won't destroy any data
[12:22] <nik> i liek kubuntu
[12:22] <nik> i think im sticking with it
[12:22] <nik> i tried yoper and mandrake but this is way better
[12:22] <jpatrick> nik: no idea
[12:22] <nik> is there any simlar thign i can do so taht windows can read ext3?
[12:23] <jpatrick> yes there is
[12:23] <nik> really??
[12:23] <nik> sweeeeeeeet
[12:23] <jpatrick> I don't remember where I read it thp
[12:23] <jpatrick> tho*
[12:23] <nik> lol
[12:23] <nik> i no someone told me i can use samba
[12:23] <nik> but iono how
[12:24] <PieD> samba is a file sharing system over a network
[12:24] <nik> ya i no
[12:24] <PieD> there is an ext2/ext3 FS driver available for windows
[12:24] <nik> they todl me its possible to share this harddrive with windows someohoe
[12:25] <PieD> http://www.fs-driver.org/index.html
[12:25] <nik> where can i make it so taht i have to double click?
[12:25] <nik> ill do it later i dont feel liek rebooting now
[12:25] <nik> thanks ill save it
[12:26] <nik> is there a double click prefernece in kde
[12:27] <nik> i dont liek the single click
[12:27] <jpatrick> there i
[12:27] <jpatrick> is*
[12:27] <jpatrick> Control Centre > Per. > Mouse
[12:28] <nik> thankss
[12:29] <jpatrick> eww.
[12:29] <jpatrick> My fonts are horrible
[12:30] <jpatrick> all because I forgot the default setting
[12:32] <nik> lol
[12:32] <jpatrick> I'm off
[12:35] <nik> how do i log in as root
[12:37] <jerik> login i guess
[12:39] <nik> when i type root as the user name it says login faled
[12:44] <buz> terror
[12:47] <redguy__> !tell nik about root
[12:49] <nik> huh
[12:49] <nik> tell em abtou root
[12:49] <nik> me*
[01:04] <nik> how do u log in as root
[01:04] <Riddell> nik: you don't
[01:05] <pax> nik, if you need to perform something that requires root, use sudo
[01:05] <pax> !sudo
[01:05] <ubotu> sudo is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:07] <nik> thanks
[01:08] <nik> where do u set defaults
[01:08] <nik> for browsers and stuff
[01:10] <pax> nik, go to control center > KDE Components > Chooser
[01:11] <nik> soem fo the stuff isnt aperaing on the lists
[01:12] <pax> 'some of the stuff' like what?
[01:12] <nik> IM
[01:12] <nik> it onyl says kopete
[01:12] <nik> but i ahve gaim
[01:13] <pax> gaim is part of Gnome, Kopete belongs to KDE
[01:14] <pax> try kopete, it's nice.
[01:14] <Tm_lag> whoa
[01:14] <Tm_lag> Kopete <2
[01:14] <Tm_lag> <3
[01:14] <Tm_lag> :p
[01:14] <EasterSunshine> lol!
[01:15] <nik> i dont liek kopete thoguh
[01:15] <nik> i prefer gaim
[01:15] <pax> use gaim then.
[01:15] <nik> how do i make it default
[01:15] <luminousnerd> Guys, I need a straight answer. How can I get this machine on to 19 others? I don't want something iffy, something that could fail...I need an exact duplicate of the hd....I need to make bootable cds and be able to put them in a machine and restore that one to exactly what the source machine was. Please, answer me do not come up with shortcuts, tell me to use a different distro, or anything of the like. Straight answer please.
[01:16] <dabaR> bah
[01:16] <dabaR> good luck.
[01:16] <Tm_lag> as soon as I get real internet connection, I will try to continue dev kopete
[01:16] <Tm_lag> =)
[01:17] <EasterSunshine> developing kde has always been a pain compared to developing gtk appls
[01:17] <nik> ur one fo the kopete developers?
[01:17] <Tm_lag> trying to be
[01:17] <nik> cool
[01:18] <pax> didn't know we have kopete dev here, did I say it's nice, forget that it sucks :D
[01:18] <Tm_lag> heh
[01:18] <EasterSunshine> i helped devel some apps that i thought sucked...
[01:18] <nik> lol
[01:18] <Tm_lag> I sort of agree
[01:18] <nik> iono its ok but i liek gaim better
[01:18] <nik> i dont liek the way its set up
[01:18] <EasterSunshine> kopete is great, there was just one problem with it that made me go for gaim
[01:19] <EasterSunshine> dun remeber what
[01:19] <pax> well kopete is young, it'll get even better with time.
[01:19] <nik> lol
[01:19] <Tm_lag> :p
[01:19] <nik> i dotn liek the way the buddylist is set up and there was somethign else i forgot too
[01:20] <pax> this font I just discovered kicks ass :-)
[01:20] <nik> what is it
[01:21] <Tm_lag> nik: contactlist is under "heavy" development, so feel free to try svn versions time to time
[01:21] <pax> candara
[01:21] <pax> consolas is nice too, I use it in konsole :)
[01:22] <nik> y does the firefox icon not have the fox
[01:23] <dabaR> copyright issues, only mozilla can use that, no distros can.
[01:23] <pax> search in the forums, you'll find a howto fix that
[01:23] <nik> oh
[01:23] <nik> hmm
[01:23] <nik> so if i downlaod firefox from the actual site not throuhg the package manager it has the fox?
[01:24] <pax> nik, here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=171988&postcount=1
[01:24] <nik> wowww
[01:24] <nik> lmao
[01:24] <nik> ppl have a lot fo spare time
[01:24] <dabaR> welll, I am not sure, but if you download the picture from teh web, and make it to be your custom icon, then that picture will be your icon. Can that be done in kde?
[01:25] <nik> ya it can i did taht last time
[01:26] <pax> here you can see candara font http://ninux.net/files/candara.png
[01:27] <nik> the join the tribe font?
[01:27] <nik> iono kde doesnt look as tribal as gnome
[01:27] <nik> it doesnt fit the ubuntu theme
[01:27] <nik> btu i liek kde more though
[01:27] <nik> im not big on customizing
[01:27] <nik> i think kde is good the way it is
[01:27] <pax> no, in the ksnapshot, konsole font is consolas
[01:28] <nik> oh
[01:28] <nik> so wehres candara
[01:28] <pax> yes KDE is more user friendly especially for folks coming from windoz
[01:29] <pax> candara in ksnapshot and everything else you see
[01:29] <nik> pretty cool font
[01:30] <nik> btw for the firefox thing do i have to use gedit?
[01:30] <pax> yeah, childish somewhat but nice :)
[01:30] <pax> nah just use kedit, kate, nano or any other editor
[01:30] <pax> you like
[01:30] <nik> i dont liek kate
[01:30] <pax> use kedit it's light
[01:30] <nik> wabout kwrite
[01:31] <nik> y are there so many
[01:31] <pax> because you are in open source land
[01:32] <nik> lol
[01:32] <nik> there all the same thoguh
[01:32] <nik> almost
[01:34] <pax> maybe look the same but operate and use resources differently
[01:35] <pax> nik so are you deleting windoz partition soon or need more few days? :-)
[01:35] <nik> lol
[01:36] <nik> ive had linux for about 5 months
[01:36] <dean> winwho?
[01:36] <nik> im jsut new to kubuntu
[01:36] <nik> im jsut using it as hardrive space righ tno
[01:36] <nik> right now*
[01:37] <nik> what programmign language is that firefox thign in
[01:37] <pax> oh, good so you have until next sunday. read and ask all you can until then :-)
[01:37] <nik> lol
[01:38] <nik> i better get crackign cuz im leaving for maine tomorow mornign and coming back nextr sunday
[01:38] <nik> :)
[01:38] <nik> what a conicedence
[01:39] <pax> dont forget to hand out kubuntu CDs
[01:40] <nik> to the animals?
[01:40] <nik> im goign camping
[01:41] <pax> oh, take pictures then :-)
[01:42] <nik> lol
[01:43] <nik> im tryign the firefox thign and i get this error message
[01:43] <nik> woops
[01:43] <nik> do i put it in quotes'?
[01:44] <pax> put what in quotes?
[01:44] <nik> "tmp/kde-nik is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0"
[01:44] <nik> there
[01:44] <nik> whats that mean
[01:44] <pax> don't worry about it
[01:44] <nik> k
[01:44] <pax> you'll always see temp permissions changing
[01:46] <pax> firefox icon shows that silly fox now?
[01:47] <nik> yeyy
[01:47] <nik> it worked
[01:47] <nik> ya
[01:47] <nik> it doesnt light up thoguh :(
[01:47] <nik> o well
[01:47] <nik> its a sacrifice
[01:47] <dean> you know that firefox is not fox after all?
[01:48] <nik> really?
[01:48] <dean> yap..
[01:48] <nik> what is it
[01:48] <pax> is it a racoon in fox cloths?
[01:48] <dean> bear i think...
[01:48] <nik> u sure?
[01:48] <nik> hmm
[01:49] <nik> firebear
[01:49] <pax> oh, bear that explains it, firefox tend to open honey pages on its own
[01:49] <nik> can i get the trash icon o be on the desktop instead of in the panel
[01:50] <nik> urs does that? mine once sent an email to winnie the poo without me even clickign a button
[01:50] <pax> yes you can, browse to desktop and add it there
[01:50] <nik> ah
[01:50] <pax> aww winnie my favorite
[01:51] <nik> it didnt add it
[01:52] <pax> nik here http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html#showtrash
[01:53] <nik> hwo do u guys find this stuff so fast
[01:53] <nik> ntfs, firefox, trash
[01:54] <pax> I camp here all day, waiting for someone to ask a question, when they do, I go to another channel, paste the question, get the answer and pretend I knew the answer
[01:54] <nik> lol
[01:55] <pax> hehe :D
[01:55] <pax> brb
[01:57] <nik> hmm
[01:57] <nik> it made some sort of backup file
[02:00] <pax> with ~
[02:00] <nik> ya
[02:01] <nik> what is it
[02:01] <nik> ?
[02:01] <pax> just temp delete it if you want
[02:01] <nik> but it still doesnt show the trash
[02:01] <nik> umm i accidently jstu closed the panel
[02:02] <nik> how do i open it
[02:02] <pax> seems like you are meticulous :-)
[02:02] <pax> click it
[02:02] <nik> lol
[02:02] <nik> no its
[02:02] <nik> gone
[02:02] <pax> good, you scared the poor thing
[02:02] <nik> the panel?
[02:02] <pax> panel?
[02:02] <nik> or the backup trash file
[02:03] <pax> you want to delete trash?
[02:03] <nik> no
[02:03] <nik> i want to be able to see it on my desktop
[02:03] <nik> and i want to reopn the panel
[02:03] <nik> at this point
[02:03] <pax> it should be there now
[02:03] <nik> ?
[02:03] <nik> no i closed it
[02:03] <nik> accdiently
[02:03] <pax> you changed true to false?
[02:03] <nik> with cntrl alt esc
[02:04] <nik> what are we ltakign about
[02:04] <nik> panel
[02:04] <nik> or trash
[02:04] <nik> lol
[02:04] <nik> ok
[02:04] <pax> you got the trash can on the desktop?
[02:04] <nik> forget trash right now
[02:04] <nik> how do i open the panel
[02:04] <pax> what panel nik?
[02:04] <nik> bottom panel
[02:05] <pax> kmenu, dock what?
[02:05] <nik> the hwoel thing
[02:05] <nik> whole*
[02:05] <pax> type: kicker (in console)
[02:05] <nik> how do i open konsole now
[02:05] <nik> ok
[02:05] <nik> i opend it
[02:05] <nik> ok
[02:06] <nik> panels back
[02:06] <nik> now trash
[02:06] <nik> i changed true to false
[02:06] <pax> saving the file
[02:06] <nik> and when i saved it made a backup file with the ~
[02:06] <pax> it's ok
[02:06] <nik> huh?
[02:06] <nik> i still cant see it thoguh
[02:07] <pax> you 'proly will see it when you logout/back in
[02:07] <nik> hmm
[02:07] <nik> ok lemme try
[02:08] <nik> yey u were right
[02:09] <pax> weird, I'm never right
[02:09] <nik> lol
[02:09] <nik> hmm so what else
[02:09] <pax> beer ..
[02:10] <pax> you did great today, get a cold one and celebrate, tomorrow is another day
[02:13] <nik> im out of beer...
[02:13] <nik> :(
[02:13] <nik> and im going to maine tomorow
[02:14] <nik> kubuntu is sweet
[02:14] <nik> whats a good simple c++ compiler
[02:14] <nik> not too complicated cuz im jstu leanring
[02:14] <nik> learning*
[02:15] <pax> nik, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[02:16] <nik> is sudo onyl ubuntu or is it UNIX
[02:16] <pax> sudo is an alternative to su
[02:16] <nik> ooh
[02:16] <nik> snap
[02:17] <nik> so y do ppl use sudo instead of su
[02:18] <pax> because it has a timer among other things
[02:18] <nik> 15 minutes is default?
[02:18] <nik> to kep the password
[02:18] <nik> kep*
[02:18] <nik> kep*
[02:18] <pax> I believe so
[02:18] <nik> keep*
[02:18] <nik> cool
[02:18] <nik> my big unix book doesnt say sudo in it
[02:18] <pax> what book?
[02:19] <nik> understanding unix second edition
[02:19] <nik> how long is this program gonna be setitn gup
[02:19] <nik> o wait its done now
[02:19] <nik> where is it located?
[02:19] <pax> can suggest couple of books?
[02:19] <nik> sure
[02:19] <nik> thi sis a rpetty odl bok
[02:19] <nik> is a pretty old book*
[02:20] <pax> linux in a nutshells (fifth edition) running linux (oreilly) linux bible 2005, and linux cookbook by carla schoder
[02:20] <nik> how do i access build-essential
[02:20] <pax> nutshell*
[02:20] <nik> i read a bit of linux in a nutshell
[02:20] <nik> in barnes and noble
[02:20] <pax> info gcc
[02:21] <pax> yes, but it's $$ at b&n get it from amazon
[02:21] <nik> is build essenial a program?
[02:21] <pax> set
[02:21] <nik> where is it
[02:21] <nik> i cant find it
[02:22] <pax> what are you truing to do, use gcc?
[02:22] <nik> well how do i compile a source using it
[02:22] <pax> phone, brb
[02:23] <nik> k
[02:23] <nik> y wont synaptic open?
[02:23] <nik> the htingy keeps on bouncing
[02:23] <nik> and eventualy stops
[02:27] <nik> ok it opened now
[02:27] <nik> but how come that happens sometimes
[02:28] <nik> i click a program and it keps bouncing but never opens
[02:28] <nik> oo i no what i need
[02:28] <nik> a fast bittorrent client
[02:28] <nik> and a c++ IDE
[02:28] <nik> not jstu a compiler
[02:39] <nik> hello?
[02:39] <nik> pax?
[02:41] <pax> yes nik
[02:41] <nik> hi
[02:41] <nik> whats a god bittorrent client for linux
[02:41] <pax> aptc-cache search bittorent
[02:42] <pax> chose one you like
[02:42] <nik> theres so many ppl on this channel are they all servers and bots and stuff y do they never talk
[02:42] <pax> they 'proly ideling working on projects or sleeping
[02:42] <nik> whats aptc cache?
[02:43] <pax> package handling utility let's you search and do other stuff
[02:43] <nik> like synaptic?
[02:43] <pax> synaptic is frontend yes
[02:44] <nik> can i jsut use it though
[02:44] <pax> kynaptic is KDE's version of synaptic
[02:44] <nik> ya btu it sucks
[02:44] <pax> yes you can, whatever is easier for you
[02:44] <nik> it onyl has bittorrent and bittornado thoguh from my experiance those are pretty slow
[02:44] <pax> it does suck, still young
[02:45] <pax> how about ktorrent
[02:45] <nik> how come somtimes when i open a program the thing jstu bounces and the program doesnt open
[02:45] <nik> ill try it
[02:45] <pax> what program?
[02:45] <nik> sometimes kate
[02:45] <nik> soemtimes synaptic
[02:46] <nik> sometimes others
[02:46] <nik> it doesnt say ktorrent
[02:46] <pax> you'll have to roll your own ktorrent
[02:46] <nik> lol
[02:46] <pax> here's how http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=220081&postcount=1
[02:47] <nik> is ti better than bittornado?
[02:47] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hey, anyone know where I can set how many times Konversation should reconnect if disconnected?
[02:47] <nik> o ya i also wanted a IDE
[02:47] <pax> I like it.
[02:48] <pax> Rogue_Jedi_X: devs at #konversation are friendly and open to suggestions
[02:48] <nik> umm
[02:48] <nik> i no where it says how many seconds to try it
[02:48] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Thanks
[02:49] <nik> are there any IDE compilers for c++
[02:49] <nik> not jstu console
[02:49] <pax> no clue about that
[02:49] <nik> hmm
[02:49] <nik> liek for windows theres borland c++
[02:50] <nik> the IDE
[02:50] <nik> or dev c++
[02:50] <nik> bloodshed
[02:50] <nik> oh
[02:50] <pax> google is your friend nik :-)
[02:50] <nik> hmm
[02:50] <nik> no me and google are mad at eachother
[02:50] <nik> he was all liek im not ur friend anymore
[02:50] <nik> and im all like
[02:50] <nik> ya
[02:50] <nik> well scru u google
[02:50] <pax> wep google hates pr0n
[02:50] <nik> lol
[02:54] <nik> is there a way to copy and paste into console
[02:54] <pax> yes third mouse button
[02:54] <pax> highlight text to copy and click middle mouse button to paste
[02:55] <pax> or just create ctrl+c ctrl+v shortcuts
[02:55] <nik> omg that jstu made my life so much easier
[02:55] <pax> send me beer then
[02:56] <nik> im out of beer
[02:56] <pax> I take m&ms too
[02:57] <nik> hmmmi had a weird dream
[02:57] <nik> where i was feeiiidign m &ms to some mermaid
[02:57] <pax> let's hope you're over 21 or else this chat is illegal and should be about kubuntu only
[02:57] <nik> lol
[02:58] <nik> wait so do u no any programs taht are like u type in them then rpess compile and they make the program
[02:59] <pax> umm, great idea, you should start working on something like that nik
[03:00] <nik> ?
[03:00] <nik> they have them
[03:00] <pax> no clue about that
[03:00] <nik> thats what i meant by IDE
[03:01] <pax> I'm out nick, see you around :-)
[03:02] <nik> huh
[03:02] <nik> lets se what other programs do i need other than the c++ compiler
[03:03] <nik> how botu some swet games
[03:03] <nik> no any good ones
[03:03] <nik> o ya i remmebr my question how come not all programs are in the menu
[03:06] <nik> is ubuntu debian based?
[03:06] <EasterSunshine> yes
[03:06] <EasterSunshine> notice that all the packages are .debs
[03:07] <nik> ooo
[03:07] <nik> if a program doesnt show up in the menu
[03:07] <nik> is there a way to put ti there
[03:08] <nik> where is the debian menu ?
[03:14] <EasterSunshine> nik: have you tried the menu editor?
[03:15] <nik> ya im in it now
[03:15] <nik> but where do the programs taht arent there go
[03:15] <EasterSunshine> nik: right click the k with a gear under it, dunno whats its called, a there should be menu editor, it has debian, add item, etc...
[03:15] <EasterSunshine> nik: all the programs on your comp are either in /bin /usr/bin or usr/local/bin with a few others floating around
[03:15] <EasterSunshine> nik: if you look in those folders, you'll understand why each program doesn't have a shortcut
[03:17] <nik> because theres so many?
[03:18] <EasterSunshine> yes, many of which you'll never directly use
[03:18] <nik> i c
[03:18] <EasterSunshine> like /bin/false
[03:18] <nik> but how come like kwrite isnt in the menu or some of the games i install
[03:18] <nik> through synaptic
[03:18] <EasterSunshine> perhaps the installation procedure does not including registering itself with kde's menu
[03:19] <nik> hmm
[03:19] <nik> makes sence
[03:19] <EasterSunshine> the makers may not have had the ease of kde users in mind
[03:19] <nik> whats in the debian menu?
[03:19] <EasterSunshine> no clue =/
[03:19] <nik> hwodo i add it to kmenu
[03:19] <EasterSunshine> afk
[03:20] <EasterSunshine> oh before i go, it wont appear unless theres something in it
[03:20] <nik> o ok
[03:20] <nik> thanks
[04:01] <dargo> hi kubunters!
[04:01] <nik> hi dargo!
[04:02] <dargo> hi nik
[04:02] <dargo> You use nicotine for connect to soulseek network?
[04:03] <nik> i dont smoke
[04:03] <nik> im kidding
[04:03] <nik> umm no
[04:03] <nik> i dont
[04:03] <dargo> jaja
[04:03] <nik> are u one of them linux experts
[04:03] <dargo> Whenever I execute it, it gives back east error to me
[04:04] <dargo> oh no nik , i'm kubuntu-newbie
[04:04] <nik> damn
[04:04] <dargo> http://pastebin.com/336295
[04:04] <nik> is taht the error report?
[04:05] <nik> well sadly i have to reboot back into windows and finish downloading a file
[04:05] <dargo> Not simply it is a copy of the error, not to flood the channel
[04:06] <nik> oh
[04:06] <nik> well sorry ic ant help u
[04:06] <nik> good luck
[04:06] <dargo> ok
[04:06] <dargo> somebody can help me?
[04:08] <EasterSunshine> dargo: have newest versions of everything?
[04:09] <dargo> yes EasterSunshine
[04:09] <dargo> I have already verified it
[04:09] <EasterSunshine> gtk.FALSE, and gtk.TRUE are depreacted, meaning old and obsolete, now we use c extensions TRUE and FALSE
[04:10] <EasterSunshine> oh wait those are warnings, the real error is in the python script
[04:10] <dargo> EasterSunshine: use kubuntu 5,04 and gtk according to apt is in its last version
[04:11] <EasterSunshine> the python script is bad, do you get this error consistently?
[04:12] <dargo> yes EasterSunshine
[04:12] <dargo> whenever I start nicotine
[04:13] <dargo> it responds to me with that error and the program is closed
[04:13] <EasterSunshine> the traceback says that self.sections["server"] ["server"] is not a list or tuple or subscriptable data type, so maybe if you feel like debugging it youself, track what it is, and see where the programmers messed up
[04:14] <EasterSunshine> acutally, its unlikely the programmers would let something like that slide...
[04:14] <EasterSunshine> perhaps your python version is not supported by your nicotine version
[04:14] <EasterSunshine> at anyrate, that nicotine looks really old
[04:16] <dargo> nicotine is in its last version
[04:16] <EasterSunshine> latest version must be pretty old...
[04:16] <dargo> 1.0.8-rc1
[04:16] <EasterSunshine> is that an alpha?
[04:16] <dargo> argh!
[04:16] <dargo> jeje
[04:16] <EasterSunshine> if its an unstable, try downgrading to the latest stable release
[04:16] <mishter> eeeeew im in windowss
[04:17] <mishter> its me nik btw
[04:17] <EasterSunshine> python allows a lot of room for errors
[04:17] <dargo> Latest stable release:
[04:17] <dargo> nicotine-1.0.8.tar.gz
[04:17] <nik> how come xchat is free in linux but theres a 30 day trial in windows
[04:19] <pax> because windoz users should pay for their sins
[04:19] <nik> pax
[04:19] <nik> i have sinned
[04:19] <dargo> the last stable version doesnt work either
[04:20] <nik> i am back in windows
[04:20] <nik> but onyl to finish downloading sumtin
[04:20] <pax> may the source forgive you
[04:20] <nik> haha nice
[04:20] <pax> read the FAQ http://www.xchat.org/windows/
[04:20] <nik> it better finish soon
[04:21] <nik> oh
[04:21] <nik> well they shdoul jsut scru the windows users
[04:21] <pax> if you're using KDE, give Konversation a shot
[04:22] <nik> ya i was using it 5 minutes ago
[04:22] <nik> but now i gotta finish downlaoding so im in windows
[04:22] <nik> il be back
[04:28] <nik> 5 minutes of windows and it already froze
[04:31] <nik> sigh
[04:33] <nik> does anyone know nay good c++ IDEs for linux?
[04:35] <pax> http://dot.kde.org/1040161008/
[04:43] <nik> i tried it but i cant seem to be able to set it up properly
[04:44] <nik> is ext2ifs the onyl way to be able to read ext3 from windows?
[04:46] <pax> are you trying to setup samba?
[04:46] <nik> no?
[04:49] <nik> should i be?
[04:50] <pax> it's one way to do that, fun too :)
[04:53] <nik> will i onyl be able to write?
[04:53] <nik> or read too
[04:53] <pax> both
[04:54] <nik> sweet
[04:55] <nik> btw i did taht thing to be able to read the windows drive from kubuntu with the little program. it said read and write but it will onyl let me read
[04:55] <pax> here try this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=129315&postcount=1 or simply install samba and SWAT, this tool will allow you to configure smb with your mouse
[04:55] <pax> !swat
[04:55] <ubotu> it has been said that swat is Samba Web Administration Tool | sudo apt-get install swat | http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/swat.8.html
[05:10] <nik> will it be slower if its in a samaba network than if u have diret acess to the drive?
[05:15] <EasterSunshine> !info ubuntu-base
[05:15] <ubotu> ubuntu-base: (The Ubuntu base system), section base, is optional. Version: 0.43 (hoary), Packaged size: 5 kB, Installed size: 32 kB
[05:15] <EasterSunshine> argh, i could have removed so many packages...
[05:30] <apokryphos> EasterSunshine: removing that won't remove anything
[05:30] <apokryphos> other than itself, of course. ;-)
[05:35] <jayparadise> im currently stuck on SuSE cus when i attempt to boot ubuntu it doesn't recognize keystrokes
[05:36] <jayparadise> it thinks j is an a and = is F1 and so on
[05:36] <jayparadise> odd
[05:37] <jayparadise> im thining its cus when i boot num lock is on
[05:37] <jayparadise> gonna troubelshoot
[05:40] <memoryleek> i'm running kubuntu on a older laptop and when i'm running off battery for a few minutes, i get a warning that says the battery is extremely low and then the system logs me out...what's going on?
[06:05] <stibby> whats the command for extracting .tar.bz2?
[06:07] <nik> teh samba thign didnt work
[06:08] <sproingie> stibby: tar jxf
[06:09] <sproingie> why tar doesn't just automatically detect which compression remains a mystery
[06:09] <sproingie> hell it should just get it from the filename
[06:12] <stibby> thanks
[06:32] <n17r0> hi
[06:33] <seth_k> hi
[06:33] <n17r0> how can I make konsole look like knoppix konsole? With all thosoe nice colors?
[06:34] <n17r0> like a green cursor etc
[06:34] <n17r0> and a different color for username
[06:34] <n17r0> ??
[06:34] <kinfo> what?
[06:35] <n17r0> my konsole looks abit boring now in black/white colors :/
[06:36] <n17r0> no one knows?
[06:38] <kalenedrael> n17r0, got to 'Configure Konsole' in some menu
[06:38] <kalenedrael> 'Settings', perhaps
[06:38] <n17r0> nope
[06:38] <n17r0> i looked there already
[06:39] <pax> n17r0: are you talking about bash prompt?
[06:39] <n17r0> uhm just main konsole
[06:39] <n17r0> terminal program
[06:40] <pax> n17r0: something like this http://ninux.net/files/ubuntu.png (look at konsole) ?
[06:41] <n17r0> yeah
[06:41] <n17r0> btw really slick desktop m8 :P
[06:41] <pax> here chose one of these copy the code into your .bashrc file http://www.mboedick.org/code/bash_prompts/
[06:42] <pax> or google "bash prompt colors" you'll find tons of styles/colors
[06:43] <n17r0> nice one, thanks :P
[06:44] <pax> np :c)
[06:46] <ubuntu>
[07:17] <jeanluc> hey can some one help me to play mp3s in a newly installed kubuntu?
[07:19] <Poromies> yes, just a moment
[07:20] <jeanluc> ok
[07:20] <jeanluc> I need to know the exact name of a good player and the codecs I need to install and then how to configure them in that player
[07:21] <Poromies> well, for player i'd recommend either amarok or xmms
[07:21] <jeanluc> ok
[07:21] <jeanluc> lemme kynaptic xmms
[07:21] <Poromies> and for the codecs, here is a how-to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:22] <redguy> jeanluc: bmp is also kindof cool
[07:22] <redguy> !bmp
[07:22] <ubotu> bmp is, like, a guide to Beep Media Player and Plugins, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeepMediaPlayer
[07:24] <jeanluc> ok im installing the codecs for the gstreamer
[07:51] <sproingie> is there a way to see thumbnails for images on a cd without going into image view mode?
[07:51] <sproingie> image view mode doesn't show me the exif information tooltip
[07:53] <sproingie> what i really want to do is sort columns based on exif info, like if i want to get all the pics with the flash off
[07:54] <lluka> hey again
[07:54] <lluka> >_<
[07:54] <lluka> i did everything in that howto but got a different error
[07:55] <lluka> (WW) fglrx(0): * DRI initialization failed! * (WW) fglrx(0): * (maybe driver
[07:55] <lluka> kernel module ...
[07:55] <lluka> etc etc >_<
[07:56] <sproingie> ah, that was the problem. didn't have previews on for media:
[07:59] <nik> hi for soem reason the internet connection in kubuntu is a ton slower then when i boo xp
[07:59] <nik> like in xp a page will open instantly
[07:59] <nik> in kubuntu it takes atlwast 10 seconds for the same page
[07:59] <nik> mayb 6
[08:19] <nik> is anybody here?
[08:20] <nik> ive been reading throguh the forums looking for an answer to why my internet connection is so much slower wiht kubuntu than xp and i really cant find an answer. alot of ppl have this problem. i tried turning off ipv6 and rebooting but it didnt help at all.
[08:30] <antrix> nik, can u post a link to the forum where lot of people report this problem?
[08:30] <antrix> nikkia: also, can u run tests and find out whether the difference is actually there or just subjective
[08:31] <antrix> oops, nik not nikkia
[08:31] <nik> its there
[08:32] <nik> like
[08:32] <nik> i didnt run an actual test iono how to do taht but webpages actualy load 10 times longer i timed it
[08:32] <nik> andi foudn a lto of ppl have the same problem
[08:32] <nik> not onyl in ubuntu
[08:32] <nik> k
[08:32] <nik> for th eoink
[08:32] <nik> jsut a sec
[08:32] <nik> link*
[08:32] <antrix> nik, http://www.broadbandreports.com/stest
[08:33] <nik> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=55743&highlight=slow+internet tahts one thread
[08:33] <antrix> nik, from personal experience, i've found network performance much better in linux than on xp
[08:33] <nik> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=56698&highlight=slow+internet
[08:34] <nik> for java do i download linux or linux rpm
[08:35] <antrix> java install is described in ubuntuguide afaik
[08:37] <nik> the unofficail ubuntu guide thing?
[08:37] <antrix> yes
[08:38] <nik> it coundt find the package
[08:38] <nik> sun-j2re1.5
[08:38] <nik> is taht the right one?
[08:38] <antrix> yes
[08:39] <antrix> have u added the correct repositories
[08:39] <nik> it cant find it
[08:39] <nik> i unchecked all the universe stuff and the others
[08:40] <antrix> backports?
[08:40] <nik> if thats wat u mean
[08:40] <nik> huh?
[08:40] <nik> sources.list
[08:40] <nik> i unchecked all the # things
[08:40] <antrix> in ubuntuguide - read 'how to add extra repositories'
[08:40] <nik> iih
[08:41] <antrix> there are two more, hoary-backports and hoary-extras... java is in one of them
[08:41] <nik> i c
[08:41] <nik> ooh*
[08:41] <nik> ok
[08:43] <nik> ya i did that now
[08:43] <nik> it still didnt find the packages
[08:44] <nik> update
[08:44] <nik> damnit
[08:44] <antrix> did u refresh ur package list?
[08:44] <nik> im installlling now
[08:45] <nik> im catchign my own mistakes im jsut hurrying and forgettign stuff
[08:45] <jake1> http://www.big-boys.com/articles/coyote1.html
[08:45] <jake1> woah crazy
[08:45] <jake1> what will they think of next
[08:55] <nik> hi does anyon no hwo to solve the slower internet on linux problem
[08:56] <nik> i fdun a lot of ppl have the problem in forums and stuff but i ahevnt foudn a solution
[08:56] <nik> in xp my transfer rate is 281 kb and in kubuntu its 50
[09:52] <gimbal> hey, this came up and I thought I would ask: Would the konqueror in ubuntu already have a web shortcut defined for packages.ubuntu.com? (like, there is one for google, such that one could enter like "google word"; konqueor would then make the appropriate URL for completing the search)
[09:53] <jpatrick> Maybe Control Centre > Internet > Web Browser > Web Shortcuts
[09:57] <gimbal> jpatrick: yah, that's how to add it; I was just wondering if it's in the install, by default; there's one on debian for deb packages, seemed appropriate if there'd be one on ubuntu for ubuntu packages, heh
[10:05] <gimbal> well, just wanted to bring it up; hasta luego
[11:22] <der_oschni> hello hello
[11:25] <_jeff> hey guys
[11:26] <_jeff> where do you get wireless lan package?
[11:27] <_jeff> anybody know the command to download the package for wireless internet?
[11:40] <_jeff> does anyone know how to install the wireless lan packages?
[12:00] <nikkia> hmmm
[12:05] <[Surge] > Why does kubuntu have a /lib/tls/i686/cmov set of libs?
[12:05] <[Surge] > I have an app that tries to use libc.so.6 in there and it crashes.
[12:37] <_dpc> hi
[12:47] <Furic> Heya's!
[12:49] <Furic> I need the "noacpi" kernel option on boot, so i modified menu.lst in /boot/grub to have an extra (default) option, and booted, worked great, but then when i shut down and booted again it looks like the file has been regenerated with my changed gone, how can i solve?
[12:52] <Timmmm> Hi, what is the name of the program that searches /usr/bin (and presumably other places) for programs that aren't currently in your kmenu and lets you add them?
[12:53] <nikkia> kappfinder
[12:55] <Timmmm> Thanks
[12:56] <Timmmm> Hmm, didn't work very well though - didn't even find itself!
[12:57] <annomous> i would liketo install kubuntu but the computer i want to install it on doesen,t connect to the internet
[12:58] <Furic> annomous: Download the installer cd from kubuntu.org and use that
[12:58] <annomous> at 100 kbps
[12:59] <annomous> slow internet connection
[12:59] <Furic> Get someone with a faster connection to download and burn it
[01:00] <annomous> is it possibleto justdownload kde
[01:00] <Furic> Yes, from kde.org, but you need a linux system to run it on, kubuntu is a good one, why dont you go download its installer cd. :P
[01:00] <annomous> by the way i alredy have ubuntu
[01:01] <Furic> Ahh, well i would recomend connecting the other pc to the internet and downloading it, then disconnecting
[01:02] <Furic> Or you could browse through the apt archives and install all the debs manually, but what a pain
[01:02] <annomous> if i could get the install cd couldi findthemeta package
[01:03] <Furic> Im not sure, maybe possible to add the cd as a source for synaptic
[01:03] <annomous> i think it is
[01:03] <Furic> Try it
[01:04] <annomous> 1 problem im on the other side of the world from it
[01:05] <Furic> Your on the other side of the world from a computer that doesn't have an internet connection and you want to install stuff... great. :\
[01:11] <ubuntu> hello
[01:11] <ubuntu> dd
[01:11] <ubuntu> kkk
[01:11] <ubuntu> ssss
[01:11] <ubuntu> llll
[01:11] <ubuntu> ooo
[01:11] <ubuntu> wwww
[01:11] <ubuntu> kkkk
[01:11] <PieD> ubuntu: great, you discovered the keyboard :p
[01:12] <ubuntu> thanks....;-)) it's a new amazing experience!
[01:12] <laser_tk> :D
[01:13] <ubuntu> can u help me with a problem with the internet connection under ubuntu?
[01:13] <ubuntu> no answer... :-((
[01:14] <PieD> if you don't give us any information, no
[01:14] <pax> rosemary: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:15] <rosemary> pax - I don't have ubuntu installed yet
[01:15] <pax> when you do
[01:15] <rosemary> yep okay
[01:15] <pax> I saw your question is #ubuntu
[01:15] <ubuntu> now I give: I have ethernet modem, I have configured it with pppoeconf
[01:15] <phreakys> hi
[01:15] <rosemary> I actually had difficulty with partitioner
[01:16] <pax> the installer can do that for ya
[01:16] <rosemary> pax - thanks
[01:16] <PieD> ubuntu: and ?
[01:16] <rosemary> but kde is a big download?
[01:16] <pax> rosemary: how much space you can afford?
[01:16] <ubuntu> after connection with conqueror explorer the connection doesn't fall, but after the first page loaded it doesn't work!
[01:17] <rosemary> pax - it's a second machine - 6Gig HD - just for playing and trying new things
[01:17] <phreakys> anyone knows how to enable mp3 support for ubuntu?
[01:17] <ubuntu> clear explanation....
[01:17] <pax> rosemary: if it's an old box stick with gnome, it's lighter
[01:17] <PieD> what means "doesn't work" ?
[01:17] <PieD> host not found ?
[01:17] <pax> !codecs
[01:17] <ubotu> hmm... codecs is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:17] <ubuntu> yes unknown host
[01:17] <rosemary> pax - okay, it is an old box - didn't realise gnome was lighter
[01:17] <pax> phreakys: ^
[01:18] <rosemary> what about icewm
[01:18] <PieD> and from a konsole, does ping google.fr works for instance ?
[01:18] <pax> rosemary: even better
[01:18] <rosemary> righto - maybe I'll look at that for next try out
[01:18] <phreakys> ah
[01:18] <phreakys> tnx
[01:19] <pax> good luck.
[01:19] <pax> phreakys: np
[01:19] <rosemary> thanks
[01:19] <ubuntu> also ping google.fr doesn't work, but as you can see I can chat...
[01:19] <phreakys> looks good btw, this ubuntu
[01:20] <PieD> ubuntu: hum
[01:20] <PieD> what is the content of /etc/resolv.conf ?
[01:20] <pax> phreakys: wait until you try kubuntu http://ninux.net/files/ubuntu.png
[01:21] <ubuntu> nameserver 192.168.1.1
[01:21] <apokryphos> pax: trans windecs -- nice :)
[01:21] <ubuntu> ps I have kubuntu
[01:21] <phreakys> its better?
[01:21] <apokryphos> phreakys: than?
[01:22] <phreakys> ubuntu?
[01:22] <apokryphos> Well, it has KDE. ;-)
[01:22] <phreakys> or ?
[01:22] <phreakys> aah, thats a major step forward
[01:22] <ubuntu> PieD?
[01:22] <pax> phreakys: user frienldy, especially for folks coming from windoz. Kubuntu is Ubuntu+KDE
[01:22] <phreakys> its also in the package is it?
[01:22] <phreakys> hm, thats cool
[01:22] <apokryphos> pax: what windec is that?
[01:22] <phreakys> i like gnome to..is that also included?
[01:23] <pax> apokryphos: plain kde
[01:23] <apokryphos> phreakys: you can get it from the repositories, yes
[01:23] <phreakys> i got kde from synaptic packetmenager
[01:23] <apokryphos> ok
[01:23] <phreakys> but installed a little too much :-)
[01:24] <ubuntu> sorry
[01:24] <PieD> ubuntu: does ping 216.239.57.104 works ?
[01:24] <apokryphos> phreakys: running out of space/
[01:24] <pax> apokryphos: you asked about win decoration, sorry, it's crystal
[01:24] <phreakys> nah, i got 120gb for linux
[01:24] <ubuntu> perfectly
[01:25] <phreakys> just killed windows
[01:25] <phreakys> and im never going back
[01:25] <PieD> and ping 192.168.1.1 ?
[01:25] <pax> 120GB wow you are generous
[01:25] <phreakys> ubuntu is a blessing for me owning a radeon
[01:25] <ubuntu> too!
[01:25] <apokryphos> pax: wow, looks a lot different to how I remember it. Thanks.
[01:25] <phreakys> :)
[01:25] <PieD> try :
[01:25] <phreakys> yea, all space is linux now
[01:25] <PieD> no, I was going to say a wrong thing
[01:26] <ubuntu> it happens! ;-)
[01:26] <PieD> (I never used ADSL modems under linux)
[01:26] <ubuntu> doh
[01:26] <apokryphos> PieD: my attempts were on the whole pretty unsuccessful
[01:26] <PieD> doesn't anybody have such modems to help ubuntu ?
[01:28] <apokryphos> There's a few, no doubt, but not aware. There might be a list of supported ones on the wiki somewhere
[01:28] <pax> ubuntu you are connected to irc and can't ping yahoo.fr is that it?
[01:28] <phreakys> i mean...this packetmanager is really a great tool
[01:28] <ubuntu> yes pax!
[01:28] <ubuntu> I can't ping nothing
[01:28] <phreakys> way faster than that apt-get thing, if you dont know what to look for :->
[01:28] <apokryphos> pax: ah, different crystal styles -- so I see. So not real transparency ;-)
[01:28] <PieD> you can ping IPs
[01:29] <PieD> I gave you a google.fr IP, and ping worked
[01:29] <pax> ubuntu behind a router?
[01:29] <phreakys> lol
[01:29] <phreakys> ow yea
[01:29] <ubuntu> pax: again...?
[01:29] <phreakys> mp3 playback :D
[01:29] <pax> phreakys: yes fake transparency
[01:30] <pax> ubuntu how are you connected to the net?
[01:30] <phreakys> i cant shut off microphone though
[01:30] <pax> phreakys: kmix
[01:30] <phreakys> hm, nm
[01:30] <phreakys> yea
[01:30] <phreakys> that one errorerd
[01:30] <ubuntu> with ethernet modem and username and password...I think behind router
[01:31] <phreakys> but its working now
[01:31] <phreakys> omg
[01:31] <phreakys> not really
[01:31] <phreakys> my ears
[01:31] <pax> cheez man, lower the volume I can hear it from here
[01:32] <phreakys> if i click mute, its beeping the hell into my ears
[01:32] <phreakys> but lower works
[01:32] <pax> I heard it :cP
[01:32] <phreakys> ;)
[01:32] <ubuntu> pax: did I explain?
[01:32] <pax> phreakys: you proly just need to play with kmix to get the right settings
[01:33] <pax> ubuntu I fail to see the problem
[01:33] <PieD> ubuntu: what does "sudo route" (without quotes) do ?
[01:34] <ubuntu> answer with a table
[01:34] <PieD> give us the table
[01:35] <PieD> (if it's not bigger than 3 lines)
[01:35] <ubuntu> it's three lines
[01:35] <PieD> give it to us
[01:36] <ubuntu> 192.168.100.1 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 ppp0
[01:36] <ubuntu> 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0
[01:36] <ubuntu> default 192.168.100.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 ppp0
[01:36] <PieD> sudo kedit /etc/resolv.conf
[01:37] <phreakys> yea, its working now
[01:37] <PieD> and replace 192.168.1.1 by 192.168.100.1
[01:37] <phreakys> how can i edit the menus in gnome?
[01:37] <pax> smeg
[01:37] <phreakys> ah :D
[01:38] <phreakys> its not in synaptic :/
[01:38] <PieD> ubuntu: that's done ?
[01:38] <ubuntu> yes, I haven't kedit, I use vi
[01:39] <ubuntu> that's done
[01:39] <pax> phreakys: you need to enable couple of lines in your sources.list
[01:39] <pax> !sources
[01:39] <ubotu> sources are at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[01:39] <PieD> yet try viewing a webpage
[01:40] <ubuntu> done , doesnt work, have I to close the connection e reopen?
[01:40] <PieD> no*
[01:40] <ubuntu> so it doesn't work
[01:40] <pax> ubuntu try /etc/init.d/networking restart
[01:41] <PieD> I'm not used to such things
[01:41] <pax> with sudo that is
[01:42] <PieD> (I really like being behind a router : configuration is extremely hard ! I give my WEP key, and it's working :)
[01:42] <phreakys> hm
[01:42] <phreakys> i get a dependancy error when install smeg with dpkg :./
[01:43] <phreakys> can it be installed with apt-get?
[01:43] <pax> why would you do that, it's in the repos
[01:43] <pax> !find smeg
[01:43] <phreakys> its empty in synaptic
[01:44] <pax> phreakys: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:44] <luigino> hello everyone
[01:44] <phreakys> ok
[01:44] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'smeg' returned no results.
[01:44] <apokryphos> !info smeg breezy
[01:44] <ubotu> smeg: (simple menu editing), section universe/utils, is optional. Version: 0.7.5-0ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 212 kB
[01:45] <pax> phreakys: uncomment multiverse and universe
[01:45] <apokryphos> It's only in breezy at the mo
[01:45] <luigino> I'd like to know where kubuntu starts the kde because I've installed enlightenment but at boot it won't start, neither select the window manager that I want....
[01:45] <phreakys> universe is uncommented
[01:45] <luigino> so any idea?
[01:45] <phreakys> multiverse is not there :/
[01:45] <pax> no it's not, unless I'm running breezy and dont know it
[01:45] <pax> pax@debuntu:~$apt-cache search smeg
[01:45] <pax> smeg - simple menu editing
[01:46] <pax> phreakys: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[01:46] <apokryphos> luigino: you'll likely have to make an entry for kde in /usr/share/xsessions if it's not there already
[01:46] <phreakys> tnx
[01:46] <_ubuntu> pax: did u read my answer?
[01:46] <PieD> _ubuntu: we didn't see any answer
[01:47] <pax> what PieD said.
[01:47] <pax> phreakys: when you uncomment the two lines run sudo apt-get update
[01:47] <luigino> apokryphos: in that directory I have kde.desktop and enlightenment.desktop, I added also e17.desktop cause maybe it was for the name that wont start but it wasnt that..any idea?
[01:47] <_ubuntu> I said I'm moved, it works!!!! thanks thanks, and I asked for the reason
[01:48] <apokryphos> luigino: alright, one sec.
[01:48] <pax> _ubuntu: thank PieD he fixed you up.
[01:48] <apokryphos> luigino: how did you install enlightenment? What repo are you using? Not the nooms one?
[01:48] <PieD> _ubuntu: ok
[01:49] <_ubuntu> I thank everyone!!!!!
[01:49] <_ubuntu> other question? fat32 writing?
[01:49] <pax> phreakys: here, get my sources.list, don't let the size scare you: http://ninux.net/files/sources
[01:49] <luigino> mmmm I used the nooms following the thread in the ubuntuforums....
[01:50] <luigino> If I used the wrong repo then what repo shall I use?
[01:50] <Wizzard> hi there
[01:50] <pax> !ntfs
[01:51] <ubotu> I guess ntfs is the filesystem normally used under Windows XP. The Ubuntu installer can safely resize an NTFS partition to create a new partition for you to install Ubuntu. http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[01:51] <pax> _ubuntu: ^^
[01:51] <apokryphos> luigino: hm, that is the right one. You'll have to edit some other stuff
[01:51] <apokryphos> luigino: I gotta go eat now (family is waiting); I'll try to help when I'm back, if no-one else here has already
[01:51] <luigino> ok
[01:51] <luigino> enjoy ur meal, apokryphos :)
[01:52] <phreakys> tnx
[01:52] <_ubuntu> pax: I can read but I can't write from the win32 partition, this is shared with the xp (two o.s.)
[01:53] <luigino> anyone else has any idea about starting enlightenment under kubuntu Kde based?
[01:53] <phreakys> ill just replace mine?
[01:53] <pax> _ubuntu: shared how, dual boot?
[01:53] <pax> phreakys: sure.
[01:54] <pax> phreakys: make sure you back up yours first
[01:54] <phreakys> ok
[01:54] <phreakys> is there a gui editor thats std installed on ubuntu?
[01:54] <_ubuntu> yes
[01:55] <pax> _ubuntu: you want to write to linux partition from winxp, is that it?
[01:55] <_ubuntu> the opposite, from linux I want to write to fat32
[01:56] <pax> _ubuntu: then just run seveas script
[01:56] <pax> http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[01:57] <phreakys> ok, i did it
[01:57] <phreakys> now updating apt
[01:57] <phreakys> cool, smeg is in the list now
[01:57] <phreakys> tnx apx
[01:57] <phreakys> pax
[01:57] <pax> you have skype there as bonus, so you can just apt-get intoIT
[01:58] <phreakys> yea, i got it allready installed. but now i can update it automatically right?
[01:58] <pax> yes
[01:58] <_ubuntu> pax: I'll try but the partition is mounted, I can read, but I can't write.
[01:58] <phreakys> cool
[01:58] <luigino> no one has any idea?
[02:00] <phreakys> i dont understna
[02:00] <M3ocs-D4rksun> phreakys
[02:00] <M3ocs-D4rksun> you can help me?
[02:00] <phreakys> if i want to install smeg, it keeps complaining about python-dxg
[02:00] <phreakys> ehm, with what?
[02:00] <phreakys> im a noob here
[02:01] <phreakys> but ask away
[02:02] <phreakys> hm
[02:04] <phreakys> ive no clue why its asking for python-dxg, while its allready installed :/
[02:04] <otep> wrong version?
[02:04] <_ubuntu> I ran the script, but I can't modify files
[02:05] <phreakys> yea, maybe
[02:05] <csenger> _ubuntu, you can remount the partition
[02:06] <csenger> _ubuntu, or unmount it, change fstab acording to your config, mount again
[02:07] <csenger> whats the line for the partiotion in /etc/fstab ?
[02:07] <otep> ei senger
[02:07] <csenger> otep, ei ??
[02:08] <_ubuntu> now I must go thenk you for all!!!! bye!
[02:08] <otep> =D if you have a 40GB hd how would you partition it?
[02:08] <otep> im currently using a 10GB here and im thinking of ditching my xp and install kubuntu instead
[02:12] <luigino> so anyone doesn't know
[02:12] <luigino> how to make enlightenment starting in kubuntu?
[02:13] <M3ocs-D4rksun> luigino
[02:17] <apokryphos> luigino: ok, back.
[02:17] <apokryphos> luigino: to clarify, the problem is that kdm doesn't show kde as an option for logging in, right?
[02:18] <luigino> ok wb apokryphos :)
[02:18] <luigino> well.. here at the boot it starts kde login manager plus kde
[02:18] <luigino> and not the entrance + enlightenment
[02:18] <apokryphos> entrance? Is that its login-manager?
[02:19] <luigino> sisi
[02:19] <apokryphos> Is enlightenment there not selectable from "Sessions"?
[02:19] <luigino> yes
[02:19] <luigino> Sessions?
[02:19] <luigino> here I don't see any window that tells me any window manager
[02:19] <apokryphos> luigino: in KDM, the login-manager. Can you select enlightenment to login to?
[02:20] <luigino> no I removed kd,
[02:20] <luigino> kdm
[02:20] <apokryphos> you want to change your window manager for KDE, or you want to login to enlightenment?
[02:20] <luigino> the second option
[02:20] <apokryphos> luigino: ok, so what login manager are you using now?
[02:20] <luigino> I want to login to enlightenment
[02:20] <luigino> actually since it doesn't work, I'm using the default one
[02:21] <luigino> in this case kde
[02:21] <apokryphos> luigino: you said you didn't have kdm...
[02:21] <apokryphos> luigino: are you hitting startx or something and it's starting kde?
[02:21] <phreakys> ok, dling kubuntu
[02:21] <phreakys> :)
[02:21] <luigino> prolly its startin somewhere kde
[02:22] <luigino> in fact having removed the kdm
[02:22] <luigino> it shouldnt neither start kde
[02:27] <apokryphos> KDE can start without kdm, it doesn't need it at all.
[02:27] <apokryphos> What login manager are you using? Or you don't know?
[02:27] <luigino> mmm I guess i can't identify what login manager its using
[02:27] <apokryphos> luigino: when you start up your computer there's no graphical manager where you put in your username and your pass?
[02:27] <luigino> its a graphical screen with an User and Password to enter
[02:27] <apokryphos> luigino: ok :). What colour?
[02:27] <apokryphos> Regardless of which one you're using, you can login to enlightenment from there
[02:27] <luigino> blue... in the little window there's also a button with the enter key like in the keyboard
[02:27] <apokryphos> That's KDM :)
[02:27] <apokryphos> You can login to enlightenment easily from kdm
[02:27] <luigino> ok weird... since I should have removed kdm but oh well let's see how to add enlightement in kdm
[02:27] <luigino> :)
[02:27] <apokryphos> If you click on the home icon (or the other one) in the bottom-left of the screen, there should be a "sessions"
[02:27] <apokryphos> From there you can select Enlightenment
[02:27] <luigino> mmmm
[02:27] <luigino> the home icon?
[02:28] <apokryphos> Once you're at the KDM screen, you can select which session -- which desktop environment -- to login to from there. It's one of the icons in the bottom-left; I forget which, since I don't really use it
[02:28] <luigino> ah ok lemme check
[02:30] <luigino> oh yeah
[02:30] <luigino> it worked
[02:30] <apokryphos> =)
[02:31] <luigino> but what if I'd like to start the entrance login-manager instead of kdm?
[02:31] <apokryphos> luigino: how did you isntall that? It's not the repo
[02:31] <apokryphos> anyhow, you should be able to do sudo dpkg-reconfigure entrance, and the option to use it as the display [login] manager should be there
[02:32] <luigino> ok lemme try
[02:33] <luigino> it didn't asked me any options...
[02:34] <apokryphos> luigino: just took you back to command line?
[02:34] <apokryphos> (ignore earilier comment.. it is in the repo; I forgot that I commented it out)
[02:35] <luigino> ;)
[02:35] <apokryphos> Hm, it isn't there as an option. Not quite sure how to select it, then...
[02:36] <luigino> hmmm somewhere it should be a place where it starts kdm
[02:36] <luigino> so I could replace with entrance
[02:39] <JohnFlux> hey all!
[02:39] <apokryphos> luigino: check in that thread for a possible solution
[02:39] <phreakys> is there a good program to make a backup of the whole system?
[02:39] <apokryphos> still seems to bring a few problems, as I see.
[02:39] <apokryphos> JohnFlux: hey :)
[02:39] <luigino> it's weird anyway I thought with a .xinitrc I could make starting entrance instead of kdm but wasn't that
[02:40] <JohnFlux> does the default kernel only support 1 cpu?
[02:40] <JohnFlux> dmesg says something like "processor 0..... processor 1 disabled exceed NR_CPU=1
[02:40] <JohnFlux> "
[02:40] <JohnFlux> or something similiar
[02:40] <JohnFlux> I have a pentium 4
[02:40] <apokryphos> I hope not; hoping for a dual processor in a few weeks
[02:40] <JohnFlux> (it's a hyperthingy that counts as two processors)
[02:41] <phreakys> all p4s have hyperthingies dont they?
[02:41] <luigino> apokryphos: do u know the hilarious thing?
[02:41] <apokryphos> luigino: nope; fire away
[02:43] <luigino> I installed enlightenment with also the eutils which contains also for example a virtual post-it but it didn't installed it really as I see because when I start enlightenment i don't see it...
[02:44] <apokryphos> I used it briefly; it was nice to play around with but very incomplete.
[02:46] <luigino> oh well right now I'll do a thing:
[02:46] <luigino> I'll go at the bar to take an espresso coffee
[02:46] <luigino> ahahhaha
[02:46] <apokryphos> :)
[02:47] <luigino> I'll see u in a few...when Ill back from bar
[02:47] <luigino> :)
[02:47] <luigino> thank you for all for now man
[02:47] <luigino> :)
[02:47] <JohnFlux> ah hyperthreading is off by default for security reasons
[02:47] <JohnFlux> you need to do rt=on
[02:48] <luigino> see u later
[02:49] <nikkia> phreakys: no, not all of them
[02:50] <phreakys> ah ok
[02:50] <nikkia> phreakys: only the 800MHz FSB and later
[02:50] <phreakys> ah cool
[02:50] <nikkia> (Pentium 4 C ? iirc)
[02:51] <phreakys> ive such a thingy
[02:51] <phreakys> do i need to enable anything to make it active
[02:51] <phreakys> ?
[02:51] <nikkia> phreakys: you need a SMP kernel
[02:51] <phreakys> aha
[02:51] <phreakys> is it in kubuntu possible?
[02:51] <nikkia> phreakys: there should be a SMP kernel in the list of alternate kernel versions
[02:51] <nikkia> i686-SMP or something
[02:51] <phreakys> cool, is it installable on setup?
[02:51] <nikkia> phreakys: no, i think you have to apt-get it
[02:52] <nikkia> the default kernel from install is i386 which is pretty much useless :)
[02:52] <phreakys> ah allright...tnx for the info. ill try it as soon kubuntu is running
[02:52] <phreakys> does is make a big difference?
[02:52] <nikkia> phreakys: not a huge difference, IME
[02:53] <nikkia> you'd notice a bigger difference on a real SMP machine (dual CPU or dual core)
[02:53] <phreakys> cool
[02:53] <nikkia> some things are faster with hyperthreading turned on and a SMP kernel tho
[02:54] <phreakys> will be a cool thing, if games would use the performance increase of multiple cpus
[02:54] <nikkia> my P4 2.8 here is the old non-HT version, my P4 2.8 at work is the HT version, they're mostly about the same performance-wise, but you do notice some little things that run better with HT, and there are situations where HT avoids non-responsiveness
[02:55] <nikkia> phreakys: given that the Athlon 64 X2 and the Pentium 4 D are both out, i think you'll start to see more support for SMP
[02:55] <phreakys> yea, i guess it could make a big difference
[02:56] <nikkia> i used to have a SMP P2, it was alright, some things were clearly better
[02:56] <phreakys> arent there compatibility problems with a smp kernel?
[02:56] <nikkia> phreakys: not many
[02:56] <phreakys> k, cool
[02:56] <phreakys> i started with linux 2 days ago with a debian distro
[02:57] <phreakys> but went to ubuntu
[02:57] <phreakys> now dling kubuntu :)
[02:57] <phreakys> its so hard to install a radeon driver on debian :/
[02:57] <nik> hi does anyon no hwo to solve the slower internet on linux problem
[02:57] <nik> i fdun a lot of ppl have the problem in forums and stuff but i ahevnt foudn a solution
[02:57] <nik> in xp my transfer rate is 281 kb and in kubuntu its 50
[02:58] <nikkia> nik, i don't think there's any inherent slower networking, it just depends on your network card
[02:59] <nik> well a ton of ppl have had the same problm thoguh
[02:59] <nikkia> i can max out my connection speed on both XP and linux equally easily
[03:00] <nik> i tried changin the ipv6 setting
[03:00] <nik> but ti didnt help
[03:00] <stibby> is apache 2 better than 1.3?
[03:00] <nik> but y is the dffernce so drastic
[03:01] <nik> wen i ran the roadband speed test
[03:01] <phreakys> i dont think you'll see a big difference stibby
[03:01] <nik> broadband*
[03:01] <nikkia> nik, as i said, its probably your network card
[03:01] <stibby> except php5 doesnt like apache2 :(
[03:01] <nik> what do u mean by that though?
[03:01] <nik> is it somethign specific
[03:01] <nikkia> i can hit 600-700KB/s just as easily in both XP and linux, so i can't see how there is some inherent slowdown
[03:01] <phreakys> stick with whats working for you
[03:01] <nik> its not everybodies
[03:02] <nik> but in the forum i foudn atleast 5 posts of ppl having the exact same problem
[03:02] <nik> as well as when i goggled it in other linux ofrums
[03:02] <nik> so tis not everybody
[03:03] <nikkia> 5 people on the forums could just as easily be 5 people that have misconfigured something :)
[03:03] <nikkia> 500 or 5000 people, i might start to believe its linux's fault, but not 5 :)
[03:07] <nik> o no u misunderstod im not at all sayign its a linux fault
[03:07] <nik> im jstu asking for a way to solve the problem since it sems to be a quite common mosconfiguration
[03:07] <nikkia> nik, every situation is likely different
[03:07] <nikkia> there probably is no 'simple' solution for everyone
[03:07] <nikkia> some ISPs use a higher MTU, for example
[03:07] <ztonzy> apokryphos, hello
[03:07] <nikkia> if your MTU is set to 1500 (the default) but your ISP is using a higher MTU, then yes, it'll be slow, but you can't say that changing the MTU to some other value would fix it
[03:08] <ztonzy> nikkia, hi
[03:08] <phreakys> hm, kubuntu distro allmost baked and ready to serve
[03:09] <apokryphos> ztonzy: hey :)
[03:10] <nikkia> nik, my first recommendation, would be to boot back to XP, and write down *every* detail about the network settings you can
[03:10] <nikkia> then check that the ones in linux aren't radically different
[03:10] <nikkia> if they are identical, then the primary suspect would have to be that the network card in your PC has a badly written driver
[03:11] <phreakys> yea, kill the nice
[03:11] <phreakys> nic
[03:12] <nikkia> phreakys: kill?
[03:12] <phreakys> i suggest using a good old hammer
[03:12] <phreakys> ;)
[03:12] <phreakys> sometimes its a good feleing
[03:12] <phreakys> but only if its cheap junk :)
[03:13] <nik> i once smashed a router with a baseball bat
[03:13] <nik> it was fun
[03:14] <nik> im in xp now where re the network settings tht i have to check in particualar
[03:17] <phreakys> lol
[03:17] <phreakys> yea, the router is a good baseball
[03:17] <phreakys> video recorders are fun to
[03:17] <phreakys> but wear protective glasses
[03:18] <phreakys> eletronicstuff flying around :)
[03:18] <phreakys> doe kubuntu have 3d acceleration installed auto?
[03:19] <phreakys> ive got no direct rendering installed yet :/
[03:19] <phreakys> glxinfo
[03:21] <PieD> phreakys: what graphic card ?
[03:21] <phreakys> a radeon 9600
[03:21] <PieD> (nvidia is better for linux)
[03:21] <phreakys> im allready happy that ubuntu supports the card in 2d
[03:21] <phreakys> yea, i know
[03:21] <phreakys> i bought it while i was on windows
[03:21] <nikkia> phreakys: you're probably using the opensource driver
[03:22] <phreakys> i guess
[03:22] <nikkia> which means you still have the nightmare called 'installing ati drivers' to come
[03:22] <phreakys> omg
[03:22] <phreakys> its necessary for 3d stuff?
[03:22] <nikkia> yes
[03:22] <phreakys> damn, ive done that installing 3 times on debian, but only messed up my x
[03:22] <phreakys> its a nightmare indeed
[03:22] <nikkia> its not easy on any distro
[03:23] <phreakys> well, if that installscript was working allright, it would be
[03:23] <phreakys> its just a piece of crap driver
[03:23] <phreakys> and im not that handy 2, i must admit
[03:23] <phreakys> one of the reasons i installed ubuntu
[03:23] <nikkia> to make matters worse, you have to do it *each time the kernel is updated* :)
[03:23] <phreakys> omg
[03:24] <phreakys> with nvidia, its not that bad?
[03:24] <nikkia> no, nvidia is pretty easy
[03:24] <phreakys> hm
[03:25] <phreakys> i need money and quick
[03:25] <phreakys> ill just buy an nvidea
[03:26] <phreakys> yea, kubuntu dl finished
[03:26] <phreakys> lets burn
[03:26] <PieD> with nvidia, you have to install one package, execute one command
[03:26] <PieD> and that's all
[03:27] <phreakys> like its supposed to be
[03:34] <phreakys> ok
[03:34] <phreakys> lets reinstall :)
[03:45] <equex> hell ill just take my nvidia gf4mx and replace the ati9200 with it
[03:45] <equex> is that a good idea
[03:46] <equex> its gonne perform better under linux anyway, right
[03:46] <equex> i mean, i am getting 300 fps with glxgears
[03:46] <equex> its a joke
[03:58] <nxv_> which is the default kde irc client? konversation or kvirc?
[04:00] <graytron> hello. :) is it normal to have the gnome icon left in the upper left hand corner of the system after apt-get install kubuntu-desktop; /etc/init.d/gdm stop; /etc/init.d/kdm restart ?
[04:00] <graytron> (and login)
[04:01] <graytron> i mean... i first installed Ubuntu only from the Ubuntu installation CD and then did the above
[04:02] <graytron> i don't think i'm running KDE :)
[04:02] <equex> nah its not working
[04:02] <equex> tried the same
[04:03] <equex> better just get the right install to begin with
[04:03] <equex> ie kubuntu
[04:03] <graytron> i'll try rm -rf /home/gray/* first :D
[04:03] <phreakysz> ah
[04:03] <phreakysz> hi
[04:04] <phreakysz> just installed kubuntu
[04:04] <phreakysz> where is that installer?
[04:04] <phreakysz> synaptic?
[04:06] <phreakysz> got it
[04:25] <_jeff> hey guys
[04:25] <DeathRaider> Hi
[04:26] <_jeff> can you guys help me get my wlan working?
[04:29] <_jeff> whats the difference between linux-wlan-ng and linux-wlan-doc??
[04:30] <redguy> _jeff: linux-wlan-doc would be linux-wlan documentation
[04:33] <equex> could there be anything to my theory that after youve run your first OpenGL app after reboot, the chanches of X crashing increases a lot ?
[04:33] <equex> (related to ATI driver troubles)
[04:33] <equex> because last night something weird happened
[04:33] <equex> i had been playing BiliardGL
[04:34] <equex> and 5 minuts after i quit the game, the frame buffer from the game became visible and then went to console and spewed 100s of error
[04:34] <equex> s
[04:34] <equex> then it said something like :Unable to access memory at virtual adress 0000002
[04:34] <equex> then it hangs for good
[04:37] <_jeff> thanks redguy
[04:52] <jeff_> guys?
[05:01] <jeff_> can anyone help me?
[05:12] <nxv_> how do i switch from gdm to kdm als default display manager?
[05:24] <_stef> Hello :-)
[05:39] <_jeff> hey guys
[05:40] <_jeff> im trying to get my linksys wireless network card to work on linux
[05:41] <_jeff> does anyone have any experience with wireless networking on linux?
[05:43] <Almindor> I get "unable to open /media/cdrom0", it's a permissions problem...
[05:43] <Almindor> funky it started just like that..
[05:43] <Almindor> any ideas? I get owner 400, group 401 with drwx...... permissions once I mount it
[05:44] <Almindor> didn't fiddle with udev
[05:45] <Almindor> anyone?
[05:45] <phreakys> hi
[05:46] <phreakys> whats with kopete and msn?
[05:46] <phreakys> there seems to be a bug in the kubuntu kopete distribution
[05:47] <phreakys> anyone knows a fix for kopete?
[05:48] <Almindor> gaim
[05:48] <phreakys> hm, ok...
[05:48] <phreakys> just kill kopete?
[05:48] <ubuntu> kubuntu rocks :)
[05:48] <phreakys> yea, i just installed it
[05:48] <phreakys> it looks great
[05:48] <ubuntu> running the live cd right now
[05:48] <phreakys> ah
[05:48] <phreakys> sweet huh?
[05:49] <ubuntu> still considering installing.. i always have to compile a new kernel because my laptop has a fucked DSDT table so no battery display with unpatched kernel
[05:49] <ubuntu> yep indeed
[05:49] <ubuntu> much coolerthan knoppix
[05:49] <phreakys> yea, and its so damn easy to use
[05:49] <phreakys> kde rocks btw
[05:50] <phreakys> i only need to reinstall apache and stuff and im back in busines :)
[06:04] <TMS> any ideas why konqueror might freeze each time I open a website with flash? I have the libflash-mozplugin.so
[06:05] <phreakys> hm
[06:06] <phreakys> the kde-menueditor is not saving in kubuntu
[06:06] <phreakys> some1 knows why?
[06:08] <equex> phreakys: did you move a lot of menus around and shit ?
[06:08] <equex> i did the same and kmenuedit aint working anymore
[06:08] <phreakys> ehm, i moved some to the desktop
[06:08] <equex> luckily, after 2 weeks, the debian menu started working
[06:08] <phreakys> nothing special
[06:08] <equex> so i still get access to the apps
[06:08] <phreakys> hm, found any fix for it?
[06:09] <equex> well, i can only suggest looking at the xml file that kde makes for the menu
[06:09] <equex> try tidying it up
[06:09] <equex> i couldnt be botheres
[06:09] <phreakys> hm, where is it?
[06:09] <equex> i forgot :p
[06:09] <phreakys> heh ok
[06:10] <phreakys> is that the smeg menu editor?
[06:10] <equex> no kmenuedit
[06:11] <equex> smeg is for gnome
[06:11] <phreakys> ah ok
[06:16] <phreakys> hm...shortkeys gone to :/
[06:37] <NOVA> hi i have a one problem with my DVD RW
[06:37] <NOVA> my kubuntu dont identify any hardware
[06:37] <NOVA> on the dmeg | grep hd
[06:37] <NOVA> only HDA and HDD my DVD-ROM
[06:38] <OculusAquilae> is it working in other operating systems?
[06:38] <NOVA> but my LG DVD RW dont see on my dmeg
[06:38] <NOVA> yes in XP :-(
[06:39] <OculusAquilae> hm
[06:42] <NOVA> my kernel OculusAquilae is 2.6.10-5
[06:42] <OculusAquilae> hm
[06:42] <NOVA> OculusAquilae: one idea
[06:42] <NOVA> please! :-(
[06:42] <OculusAquilae> i think about what is going wrong
[06:42] <NOVA> aja
[06:42] <OculusAquilae> which dvd-rw is it?
[06:42] <NOVA> wait
[06:42] <NOVA> LG Model GSA-4082B
[06:43] <OculusAquilae> is it in /etc/fstab ?
[06:44] <NOVA> /dev/hdd /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0
[06:44] <NOVA> /dev/hdc /media/cdrom1 udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0
[06:45] <NOVA> yes
[06:45] <OculusAquilae> or is it possible that the jumper at the device is on Cable select?
[06:45] <NOVA> nop
[06:45] <NOVA> is master en ide2
[06:45] <OculusAquilae> or first have you tried to mount it by foot?
[06:45] <phreakys> arg
[06:46] <phreakys> cant show drives anymore :/
[06:46] <phreakys> external places doesnt show up anymore
[06:46] <OculusAquilae> phreakys: breezy?
[06:46] <phreakys> breezy?
[06:46] <phreakys> just installed the regular kubuntu
[06:46] <phreakys> nothing special
[06:47] <OculusAquilae> phreakys: ah, hoary hedgehog
[06:47] <phreakys> yes
[06:47] <phreakys> i allready got two errors
[06:47] <phreakys> menus wont edit, and the external places thing with cdrom and stuff wont show
[06:47] <phreakys> what could it be?
[06:48] <OculusAquilae> NOVA: have you tried to mount it via "sudo mount /dev/hdc"?
[06:48] <OculusAquilae> phreakys: have you done something strange
[06:48] <phreakys> yea, i uninstalled kopete
[06:48] <NOVA> ount: el dispositivo especial /dev/hdc no existe
[06:49] <phreakys> thats about everything i did so far. except some dragging with menuitems
[06:49] <NOVA> OculusAquilae: this device dont exist
[06:50] <OculusAquilae> NOVA: have you tried to look in google, i don't find anything, but perhaps you find something
[06:50] <phreakys> media:/ doesnt show anything in konqueror
[06:51] <phreakys> how can i reload original kubuntu settings to the system?
[06:52] <phreakys> except reinstalling ?
[06:52] <OculusAquilae> phreakys: you could rename your /home/username/.kde to .kde-old
[06:53] <phreakys> cool, ill try
[06:53] <OculusAquilae> but its a hidden folder
[06:53] <phreakys> ic
[06:53] <OculusAquilae> and then press strg+alt+backspace to restart kde and X
[06:54] <phreakys> whats the command for rename? :/
[06:55] <uniq> mv oldname newname
[06:55] <phreakys> cool
[06:55] <phreakys> ok, done
[06:55] <OculusAquilae> renaming is the same than moving :-)
[06:55] <phreakys> there is a new .kde now
[06:56] <OculusAquilae> should be
[06:56] <phreakys> cool
[06:56] <phreakys> it works again
[06:56] <phreakys> :D
[06:56] <phreakys> tnx
[06:56] <OculusAquilae> np
[06:56] <phreakys> pfew, allready counted for a new installation
[06:56] <phreakys> hope editing menus work to again
[06:57] <phreakys> yea :D
[06:57] <phreakys> great
[06:57] <phreakys> this saves me ALOT of work
[06:58] <phreakys> is there a setupoption where i can disable singleclick btw?
[06:58] <OculusAquilae> yes
[06:59] <phreakys> ok, tnx...ill look for it
[06:59] <OculusAquilae> in the control center at peripherals -> mouse
[06:59] <phreakys> ah,tnx
[06:59] <OculusAquilae> np
[07:05] <phreakys> you know which packages are needed for apache/php/mysql?
[07:06] <phreakys> i have mysql-server, php4 and apache
[07:06] <phreakys> hope thatll be enough :/
[07:08] <phreakys> lol
[07:08] <phreakys> thats the fastest apache installation ive ever seen
[07:09] <ubuntu> phreakys: :))
[07:09] <phreakys> just gotto find out where it installed
[07:10] <ubuntu> configs in /etc/apache2, document root in /var/www by default
[07:10] <phreakys> cool :D
[07:10] <phreakys> hehe
[07:17] <zAo^> which version of KDE will be in Breezy final? 3.4.2?
[07:17] <Tm_lag> 3.5 I hope
[07:17] <zAo^> any sites with goals?
[07:17] <OculusAquilae> or 3.4.2
[07:17] <zAo^> when is 3.5 planned to be released?
[07:18] <OculusAquilae> end of october :-(
[07:18] <zAo^> hmm.. guess we have to work with 3.4.2. When is KDE 4.0 planned? Saw some nice things
[07:19] <OculusAquilae> zAo^: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuRoadmap
[07:19] <zAo^> thanks. Needed that one.
[07:19] <OculusAquilae> KDE 4 is planned for october 2006
[07:20] <zAo^> Quoted: If 3.5 is released shortly after Breezy we may delay the Kubuntu release to be able to use 3.5 otherwise we will make another release with KDE 3.5
[07:20] <OculusAquilae> when is breezy about to be released?
[07:20] <OculusAquilae> around 10th?
[07:21] <OculusAquilae> perhaps we could get in kubuntu
[07:21] <OculusAquilae> ok i'm afk
[07:21] <zAo^> I hope it gets in Kubuntu. KDE 3.4.1 crashes every 10 mins here, so Im stuck to Gnome
[07:21] <Oculus|afk> hm
[07:22] <zAo^> no error msg; nothing. Tried everything I could :(
[07:24] <dean> enjoy the silence...
[07:27] <PieD> zAo^: what do you mean by crashes ?
[07:27] <PieD> kicker crashes ?
[07:27] <PieD> the background crashes ?
[07:28] <zAo^> total freezes and Xorg crashes without anty messages
[07:29] <PieD> what graphic card ?
[07:29] <PieD> with which driver ?
[07:29] <PieD> did you look at the Xorg logs ?
[07:30] <zAo^> PieD, nothing in there. I used a ATI 9600 Pro and a GF 4 Ti 4200
[07:31] <PieD> did you enable translucency in KDE ?
[07:31] <PieD> where do the KDE packages come from ?
[07:31] <PieD> can't you try upgrading to KDE 3.4.2 ?
[07:31] <equex> hold it hold it just two seconds
[07:31] <equex> what did you just say
[07:32] <equex> can tranluceny trash kdE ?
[07:32] <equex> and freeze the frigging box ?
[07:32] <PieD> it can crash X.org
[07:32] <equex> omfg
[07:32] <PieD> especially with ATI cards
[07:32] <equex> HAHAHA
[07:32] <PieD> that's because of buggy drivers
[07:32] <equex> <-- ATI + tranclucney
[07:32] <PieD> windows translucency off course
[07:33] <equex> yes my kicker is that
[07:33] <PieD> ...
[07:33] <PieD> kicker translucent is a hack
[07:33] <PieD> it shows the wallpaper on kicker background
[07:33] <PieD> nothing more
[07:33] <PieD> you can try having a window under kicker : you won't see it
[07:34] <equex> ok back to normal settings now
[07:34] <equex> let s i my uptime goes beyond 24 hour
[07:34] <PieD> I was only speaking about true windows translucency (with shadows)
[07:35] <equex> see if*
[07:37] <equex> when i left windows xp (home), my record was 8 months uptime, 6 of them i stayed connected to the same irc server
[07:37] <apokryphos> woah
[07:37] <equex> this shit freezes every 24 hours
[07:37] <equex> and that reboot of the xp was voluntary
[07:37] <equex> :p
[07:38] <equex> so im still a little sceptical about linux
[07:38] <equex> but i guess it will straigthen it out when i get used to it
[07:38] <OculusAquilae> equex: what graphics card do you have?
[07:38] <equex> ati9200
[07:39] <OculusAquilae> thats not normal that it chashes :-)
[07:39] <OculusAquilae> or freezes
[07:39] <OculusAquilae> with which driver?
[07:39] <equex> xserver-xorg-fglrx
[07:39] <equex> tried the propetiary drivers too
[07:40] <equex> newest
[07:40] <OculusAquilae> ati is often a problem, but i don't have ati
[07:40] <equex> yeah so i hear. i do have a nvidia gf4mx in the other box
[07:41] <equex> maybe i should switch, even 9200 is alot newer
[07:41] <OculusAquilae> but i don't know if that is the problem, but maybe
[07:41] <equex> and i'd like to keep its performance on this machine
[07:41] <zAo^> my ati was stable for more than a week with gnome, so..
[07:42] <OculusAquilae> oh, ati card are ofthen much slower under linux than windows
[07:42] <OculusAquilae> nvidia has about the same speed
[07:53] <Jeezis> just an aside to those of you with ati card troubles, try cruising the gentoo forums, thats where i found a few wiki's and howto's that helped with my radeon 320m igp
[07:54] <Jeezis> i'm a kubuntu user all the way :-p but their forums did help
[08:00] <zAo^> can conquerer play the movies at gamespot?
[08:03] <stibby> is a swap drive extended or primary?
[08:08] <PieD> stibby: it can be both
[08:08] <stibby> thanks
[08:14] <equex> ok Jeevan
[08:14] <equex> Jeezis:
[08:38] <dominic> Dies ist ein Test, bin doch mal gespannt
[08:58] <spores> anyone alive here?
[08:59] <tvo> :)
[09:15] <EasterSunshine> we are all dead zombies like in residental evil
[09:20] <tvo> :D
[09:30] <hyperactivecrond> where is apxs for apache2 installed by default?
[09:32] <Festnetz> Hi @ll.
[09:33] <Festnetz> I've got a problem with my DSL-access: Everytime I log in it takes another device (ppp0, ppp1, ppp2). My iptables-script just manages ppp0. How to get the system to use ppp0 only?
[10:25] <Festnetz> I've got a problem with my DSL-access: Everytime I log in it takes another device (ppp0, ppp1, ppp2). My iptables-script just manages ppp0. How to get the system to use ppp0 only?
[10:50] <zAo^> thanks God: back on KDE :)
[11:04] <Tm_lag> uhm
[11:07] <bjv> hm, where is w32codecs?
[11:07] <bjv> ive got both uni and multi, no dice.
[11:07] <apokryphos> !info w32codecs
[11:07] <Tm_lag> =)
[11:07] <apokryphos> hm, must be in hoary-extras
[11:07] <apokryphos> !w32codecs
[11:07] <ubotu> I heard w32codecs is set of codecs needed to play common audio/video formats (wmv etc). You can install w32codecs from the hoary-extras repositories (see: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org). AMD64? See: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54399
[11:07] <bjv> thanks
[11:15] <bjv> :\
[11:15] <bjv> apt-get update parses this line 'deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted' and i dont get any errors
[11:16] <bjv> still cant search/install though.
[11:19] <bjv> *fixed.
[11:37] <[Surge] > Where's the best place to start looking for X server startup errors?
[11:38] <bjv> um, /var/logs/xwhatever.0.log
[11:38] <bjv> or similar
[11:53] <lrmedel> hi all
[11:55] <Number7> hey room
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2005-08-19-#kubuntu-devel
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[10:28] <Verwilst> hellow
[10:38] <jpatrick> hello
[10:39] <Verwilst> Riddell: you here?
[10:40] <Verwilst> Riddell: debian/patches/common/02_autotools_update.diff gives me only 1 succeeded hunk, from 40-ish hunks :p
[10:55] <Verwilst> 06_automake-1.9.diff doesn't apply too
[10:55] <Verwilst> can't find file to patch at input line 3
[10:56] <Verwilst> admin/detect-autoconf.sh
[10:56] <Verwilst> guess it's obsolete?
[11:19] <Riddell> Verwilst: those two can be safely ignored I think, reverse them then delete
[11:20] <Verwilst> that's what i thought ;)
[11:21] <Verwilst> Riddell: hm, i seem to have libqt.so, but no libqt-mt.so (but have libqt-mt.so.3
[11:22] <Verwilst> *
[11:22] <Verwilst> strange :)
[11:22] <Verwilst> but that's another prob, trying to build smooth-blend
[11:23] <Riddell> need libqt3-mt-dev
[11:25] <Verwilst> yeah i know
[11:25] <Verwilst> thought i installed it, but had a typo :d
[11:26] <Verwilst> can i rename the patches to 01_ 02_, ...?
[11:26] <Verwilst> to clean em up?
[11:26] <Verwilst> or is it for a reason that it's like this? ;)
[11:28] <Riddell> no, keep the names
[11:28] <Riddell> otherwise history gets confusing
[11:29] <Verwilst> true
[11:29] <Verwilst> unsermake -f admin/Makefile.common
[11:29] <Verwilst> ./admin/cvs.sh: line 33: --version: command not found
[11:29] <Verwilst> *** AUTOCONF NOT FOUND!
[11:29] <Verwilst> grm
[11:29] <Verwilst> i have autoconf 2.59
[11:29] <Verwilst> seems like $AUTOCONF isn't declared or something
[11:30] <Verwilst> therefor doing "--version" instead of "autoconf --version"
[11:30] <Riddell> a fresh debbootstrap generally sorts that out
[11:31] <Verwilst> hm
[11:31] <Verwilst> i'm using my lappy to compile it on
[11:34] <Verwilst> ok, i'll set up a chroot again
[12:22] <Verwilst> *creating chroot*
[12:36] <Verwilst> libarts1c2, should this be the same in 3.5_alpha1?
[12:39] <Verwilst> also, those patches, should i first create the .orig tarball, and then do apply the patches and stuff?
[12:39] <Verwilst> or first copy debian from 3.4.2, apply patches, remove debian/, tar .orig, ...
[01:04] <Verwilst> let me know, i'm going to the fitness ;)
[02:15] <tvo> Riddell: succes with that qt screen rotation patch?
[02:27] <tvo> w0000t got protocols working in about:konqueror, so the locate search bar could be there :)
[03:12] <Verwilst> Riddell? :)
[03:27] <Verwilst> Riddell: hm, arts seems to depend on versions that aren't in hoary?
[03:27] <Verwilst> Unmet build dependencies: libqt3-mt-dev (>= 3:3.3.4-1ubuntu10) libxrender-dev (>= 0.9.0-0ubuntu5) libxcursor-dev (>= 1.1.4-0ubuntu4)
[03:28] <Verwilst> Filename: pool/main/x/xrender/libxrender-dev_0.9.0-0ubuntu4_i386.deb << latest in hoary
[03:28] <Verwilst> i'll bring it down 1 revision
[03:30] <Verwilst> and we're off! :d
[03:32] <Verwilst> and there it stops
[03:32] <Verwilst> File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/unsermake/amfile.py", line 1395, in read_deps
[03:32] <Verwilst> depdir_value = utilities.subst_vars["DEPDIR"]
[03:32] <Verwilst> KeyError: 'DEPDIR'
[03:32] <Verwilst> make: *** [debian/stamp-makefile-build] Error 1
[03:32] <Verwilst> debuild: fatal error at line 764:
[03:36] <Verwilst> google says it might be because of an incompatible autoconf..
[03:36] <Verwilst> i have autoconf 2.59 and automake 1.9
[03:38] <pef> hi
[06:52] <pef> bye !
[07:59] <Verwilst> dumdiedum
[09:16] <tvo> Riddell: a first screenie: http://home.casema.nl/vollebregt/soc/snapshot1.png
[09:17] <tvo> cool thing is that any webshortcut/protocol button can be added without recompilign
[09:18] <tvo> placement is still _very_ though, and I need to fix translations too
[09:18] <tvo> oops, "placement is _very_ bad", was it ^^ supposed to say
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2005-08-09-#ubuntu-meeting
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[12:08] <dholbach> that's why i'd like to introduce another idea for solving this: in my opinion what makes a transition a good one, is a good plan
[12:09] <dholbach> so having somebody responsible for a task who keeps an eye on it, is more important
[12:09] <\sh> when there are more work then in normal times (breezy is not really normal)
[12:09] <dholbach> a aalib transition manager or something
[12:09] <dholbach> for example
[12:09] <\sh> s/are/is/
[12:09] <siretart> dholbach: this would my my suggestion/expectations from the teams
[12:09] <dholbach> the c++ transition was a good example for this - our beloved doko did an awesome job in planning this
[12:09] <bddebian> dholbach: That's mor along the lines of what I was thinking
[12:09] <\sh> then we should split up our strength, and say ok, 5 members here, 5 members there and 5 members are doing something else also important
[12:09] <siretart> dholbach: having a lead and interested people for a specific topic which need to get done
[12:10] <siretart> the lead should have an overview and be able to explain what is going on
[12:10] <dholbach> absolutely
[12:11] <dholbach> write a nice wiki page, with notes about the transition and a list to tick things off - and pushes people into it, creates some party atmosphere behind it all :)
[12:11] <Seveas> this sounds just like the way tasks are planned already in ubuntu: One lead, perhaps a second and a bunch of worker drones
[12:11] <ajmitch> dholbach: sounds good, just like what you did for hoary ;)
[12:11] <bddebian> Seveas: Where is this happening?
[12:11] <dholbach> ajmitch: thanks for the flowers :-p
[12:12] <Seveas> bddebian, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals
[12:12] <ajmitch> bddebian: breezy goals, lead & seconds were assigned at the kickoff meeting
[12:12] <\sh> actually, I don't like the lead stuff for those works
[12:12] <bddebian> Seveas: Ah, nice
[12:12] <dholbach> \sh: they're not supposed to do the work all themselves
[12:13] <\sh> dholbach: right..but this I don't mean...
[12:13] <dholbach> ah ok... maybe i got you wrong
[12:13] <ogra> \sh, you need a point of contact... someone who is responsible and trys to coordinate a bit
[12:13] <ajmitch> you want more of a coordinator
[12:13] <\sh> ok, we have some good members working on sources..the others are working as good reviewers..so everybody has their own field, right?
[12:14] <dholbach> i'm not quite sure, if all the stuff doesnt really go hand in hand
[12:14] <dholbach> i mean reviewing and fixing is all about fixing source packages :)
[12:14] <\sh> so if there is a lot of "source" work to do, those members will help in the transitions, while the others are doing review or new motu trainings etc.
[12:15] <ogra> yes, both teaches you a lot... you shouldnt do one without the other
[12:15] <\sh> the rest of the time, it will stay like normal work...merges, new uploads, sourcework, review, training at the same time and everybody is helping
[12:15] <siretart> \sh: hm. so you want to make people concentrating on one specific topic?
[12:15] <siretart> I just try to understand you
[12:15] <\sh> siretart: yes...in busy times like these days e.g.
[12:15] <ogra> siretart, that would be desirable, but happens anyway imho
[12:16] <bddebian> Please don't take this the wrong way but are there people concentrating on training new MOTU's?
[12:16] <\sh> ogra: but u have to see, like those merges now, if we would have this work in our eyes, we wouldn't be in a hurry and we wouldn't be in this situation far away from the timetable
[12:17] <crimsun> bddebian: we should all be assisting each other.
[12:17] <siretart> bddebian: let's discuss this later, ok?
[12:17] <ogra> bddebian, depending on your questions, yes
[12:17] <bddebian> siretart: ok
[12:17] <ogra> hey tseng
[12:17] <tseng> hi
[12:17] <\sh> tseng: welcome
[12:17] <bddebian> welcome tseng
[12:17] <dholbach> hey tseng :)
[12:17] <siretart> hey tseng, how are you?
[12:17] <ajmitch> morning tseng
[12:17] <tseng> i will be just watching I think
[12:17] <dholbach> tseng: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUMeeting - first point
[12:17] <ogra> \hif everybody had looked at the merge stuff first, we wouldnt have had 250 pkgs there
[12:18] <dholbach> bddebian: i hope i'll be able to do more on this front in 4 weeks
[12:18] <ogra> \sh, even
[12:18] <dholbach> ogra: yes, that's why i suggest some leads organizing the different motu actions
[12:18] <bddebian> Like I said, don't take that the wrong way. Everyone has been very helpful, I just don't see a specific "direction" so to speak.
[12:18] <\sh> ogra: that's what I meant...we had our eyes on something else as prio 1, and forget about those merges
[12:18] <ogra> dholbach, nope, its a process we must establish...
[12:18] <ajmitch> ogra: yeah, I started doing some merges right at the beginning of the breezy cycle with my list
[12:19] <ajmitch> ogra: but quickly ran out of spare time
[12:19] <dholbach> ogra: a process like what?
[12:19] <\sh> ajmitch: so did I during the cxx trans
[12:19] <ogra> if you touch a package with -ubuntuX version you should always look for mergers first
[12:19] <comadreja> what about this as a middle point. Somebody dispatching tasks on a "do-it-if-you-can" way ?
[12:19] <siretart> \sh: the problem I have with this suggestion is, that I have different interests for breezy, and I try to accomplish them all. So focusing on one topic would mean choosing one topic I'd like to accomplish
[12:19] <ajmitch> ogra: that will reduce forking from debian
[12:19] <dholbach> ogra: ah ok yes
[12:19] <comadreja> like writing a wiki page
[12:19] <ogra> dholbach, if we do the merges constantly, we dont have this many
[12:19] <dholbach> ogra: absolutely
[12:20] <dholbach> comadreja: you mean as in assigning jobs?
[12:20] <\sh> siretart: actually we all have "different" interessts ... I'm far from being finished with my projects I wanted to accomplish
[12:20] <ogra> ajmitch, yes, exactly... it will still be a fork, but the changes are smaller
[12:20] <crimsun> To be fair, though, several MOTUs have been busy otherwise (tritium, dholbach, and myself at least). As I see it, the problem isn't so much one of "we spent too much time doing non-merge stuff" but "we didn't have time at all".
[12:20] <comadreja> dholbach : like in writing in a wiki page a priority list
[12:20] <dholbach> comadreja: ah ok, i see
[12:20] <ajmitch> ogra: well we have to try & keep as close to debian as possible to avoid work for us
[12:20] <ajmitch> we have to be naturally lazy! ;)
[12:20] <\sh> crimsun: this is something u will always have for volunteer work
[12:21] <ogra> crimsun, did you look for every -ubuntuX package you touched at MOM first ?
[12:21] <comadreja> that way, every single motu can use their time on that...
[12:21] <tseng> i dont like MOM
[12:21] <\sh> crimsun: even ogra is too busy to deal with motu stuff right now...
[12:21] <dholbach> \sh: do you think planning will be easier, if somebody signs up for such a task force?
[12:21] <crimsun> ogra: yep, that's how I've been getting back into the MOTU swing of things.
[12:21] <\sh> dholbach: I think it could help...some things are really showstopping us, right, and other things are just slipped out of our hands
[12:21] <ogra> crimsun, ah, great ten... i didnt and was hit by it...
[12:22] <ogra> s/ten/then
[12:22] <ogra> and many others of us too...
[12:22] <dholbach> who else thinks that a recruited taskforce will make planning easier?
[12:22] <bddebian> tseng: Agreed, it does have it's limitations
[12:22] <ogra> some packages from MOM were already touched in the Cxx transition for example
[12:22] <comadreja> dholbach : we first need a scheduler :)
[12:23] <dholbach> comadreja: of course, we need the plan first
[12:23] <comadreja> I'll join \sh
[12:23] <\sh> dholbach: if we have a fighting plan (for breezy+1), we know what transitions have to be done, on what we have to have a closer look (MoMs) etc. then we don't need a taskforce for those things
[12:23] <dholbach> to cap it up a bit: we agreed that we need more planning and maybe guys responsible for that, we too agreed, that we rely on volunteers work
[12:24] <dholbach> \sh: some things just happend and you can't foresee them, because you're not involved with libxyz's upstream
[12:24] <ogra> \sh, note, there will be no X and no Cxx transition...
[12:24] <siretart> \sh: Can you describe what you expect a taskforce to look like? what would be expected from ppl joining a taskforce? give an example
[12:24] <\sh> dholbach: things like Xorg yes..but this is ok..this will halt everything
[12:24] <ogra> breezy+1 will be an awesome development cycle
[12:24] <dholbach> yeah... let's get back to the TASK FORCE concept planning
[12:24] <\sh> ogra: we will have many bugs for breezy+1
[12:24] <ajmitch> breezy+1 is going to be different, in that main will be supported by the ubuntu foundation for *5* years
[12:25] <ajmitch> we need to try & get quality up
[12:25] <ogra> \sh, yes, but a lot less mass transitions and thus a lot more time to play and develop
[12:25] <ajmitch> ogra: more recruiting! :)
[12:25] <ogra> yay !
[12:26] <\sh> ogra: breezy+1 will be polishing our work now...breezy will be a desert safari ,-)
[12:26] <\sh> ok...long story short...
[12:26] <dholbach> ok, who wants to make a suggestion that goes beyond "more organization"
[12:26] <bddebian> Then you need to either recruit folks that are familiar with hacking/Debian packaging or get some better direction for the NewMOTU process
[12:26] <ajmitch> bddebian: fine, put your suggestions down somewhere :)
[12:27] <siretart> ajmitch: I think I have an suggestion for NewMOTU process, more on this later..
[12:27] <dholbach> ok, as i see it there are 2 options
[12:27] <ajmitch> siretart: great
[12:27] <dholbach> 1) just try it out, whatever happens
[12:27] <\sh> ogra: u r involved in all that main stuff...I would like to take u as a "gateway" with main...to plan some important stuff to accomplish for breezy+1 so we can create something like a "MOTU project plan"
[12:27] <dholbach> 2) flesh out the process for such a task forces with all it's implications and go from there again
[12:27] <crimsun> We could try each having a primary and a secondary "role", if you will. For instance, my primary role would be Mentoring new MOTUs, and my secondary would be Review work (aside from that done as part of mentoring). We could put this on our wiki pages.
[12:28] <\sh> ogra: just because u guys have a better overview what will come...and even 5 mins before it happens ,-)
[12:28] <ogra> \sh, sure, lets d that
[12:28] <ogra> do even
[12:29] <dholbach> ok... shall we put up wiki pages up for those ideas and decide over them again?
[12:29] <dholbach> this to me sounds like the best plan, since it is more detailed and more goal focused
[12:29] <siretart> dholbach: I second this suggestion. let's move on
[12:29] <ajmitch> yep
[12:29] <\sh> let's do it like that...
[12:29] <dholbach> \sh: thanks for bringing the point up - as you see - there are lot of opinions on that
[12:30] <dholbach> point two
[12:30] <siretart> but may I suggest some procedure for new MOTU's?
[12:30] <\sh> dholbach: yes...likley :)
[12:30] <siretart> it is somehow related to that Team concept
[12:30] <dholbach> siretart: fire away
[12:30] <siretart> I propose a mentoring concept for newMOTU's
[12:30] <ogra> dholbach, why do we need to feed them, they give a grown up impression... they can gra it themselves
[12:31] <ogra> grab even
[12:31] <siretart> a bit similar to debian, but not quite. Each new candidate is assigned to one specific motu he uses as mentor
[12:31] <dholbach> ogra: siretart wanted to add a new team idea in between
[12:31] <tseng> eh
[12:31] <ogra> ah,oh, ok
[12:31] <tseng> people move really fast in motu right now
[12:31] <tseng> because they can get help from everyone
[12:31] <siretart> the apprentice and the motu aggree on a workflow how to get packages from the apprentice into universe
[12:31] <\sh> siretart: gentoo has this concept
[12:32] <siretart> this may or may not be using revu
[12:32] <ajmitch> tseng: they wouldn't be limited to this one person, but they'd be their primary contact
[12:32] <ajmitch> ogra: what's wrong with it?
[12:32] <siretart> \sh: I don't know how gentoo works, can you elaborate?
[12:32] <ajmitch> too much workload on existing motus?
[12:33] <dholbach> siretart: what i like about the current process is it's openness
[12:33] <ogra> it drags people more away into a secret corner... i see this with my google students, they arenot very active in the motu world, even if there are often people that could help them better then me
[12:33] <\sh> siretart: as u explained...when u want to get the dev status quo for gentoo, u need to have a mentor, which guides u through the whole infra structure and things like that, explains what is important in building ebuilds (in our case debian/*) etc.
[12:33] <dholbach> siretart: so more people have a good image of how a motu hopeful proceeds
[12:33] <tseng> ogra: right.
[12:33] <ogra> it tears down the amount of work done with the whole tem
[12:33] <ogra> team
[12:33] <siretart> ok. I see the point raised by dholbach and ogra.
[12:34] <dholbach> siretart: but this is a point we will have to discuss soon
[12:34] <dholbach> siretart: you were right in bringing this up
[12:34] <\sh> siretart: but the other devs don't know the "apprentice" at this time...and most of the times, the new devs will do whatever they want...
[12:34] <ajmitch> right, you don't want the big happy family to be dysfunctional
[12:34] <siretart> I don't want to take the newbees into secret corners. they should work with the community
[12:34] <siretart> the problem I want to solve is another one:
[12:34] <ajmitch> as the team grows, we don't want new MOTUs to get lost in the cracks
[12:34] <\sh> tseng: it's broken yes
[12:35] <siretart> having a mentor, an apprentice has a an advocate, which really know about the packaging skills of his apprentice
[12:35] <\sh> tseng: but it's not against gentoo..it's against their governance :(
[12:35] <dholbach> what do you think about this: shall a motu-process2 team sit together and throw some ideas together and form a "spec"?
[12:35] <siretart> so this mentoring concept is rather a more formal process of having packages sponsored
[12:35] <dholbach> over which we can decide more formally?
[12:35] <siretart> dholbach: perhaps this would be an idea.
[12:36] <dholbach> any other opinions?
[12:36] <ajmitch> dholbach: we might need to schedule another meeting soon then
[12:36] <dholbach> yes
[12:36] <siretart> I'll try to write up my ideas on a wiki page and present them the next meeting
[12:36] <ajmitch> unless we do our debating on the wiki
[12:36] <dholbach> super, thanks siretart
[12:36] <dholbach> it think it's better to have ideas more fleshed out, before we decide
[12:36] <siretart> this won't be before next week ;)
[12:37] <dholbach> may we get to point 2 now?
[12:37] <\sh> yes
[12:37] <ogra> siretart, we meet once a month ;)
[12:37] <ajmitch> please do..
[12:37] <ogra> take your time
[12:37] <dholbach> i proposed this one: "Proceedings of feeding UniverseNewPackages (and Andrew's RFP list) to utnubu-discuss."
[12:37] <dholbach> because i found that most of our NEW packages are not announced anywhere and just "end up in the archive"
[12:37] <dholbach> don't you think we should push them more into the debian direction?
[12:37] <ajmitch> dholbach: agreed, very important
[12:37] <ogra> why do we need to feed them, they give a grown up impression... they can grab it themselves lets just point them there
[12:38] <ajmitch> at the last meeting we resolved to file these RFPS
[12:38] <dholbach> there were only SOME reactions RFP/ITP-wise from our side
[12:38] <dholbach> ogra: yeah, but *nearly* nobody does it at the moment
[12:38] <ogra> ajmitch, now there is an active group in debian....
[12:38] <dholbach> so i think this should be more of a policy
[12:38] <ogra> dholbach, what ?
[12:38] <ajmitch> ogra: I know, I see you're in the group
[12:38] <siretart> well, I don't think that it would be very much efford announcing new addition to universe to the utnubu mailing list
[12:38] <dholbach> that the package needs to be announced
[12:38] <\sh> ogra: u r involved in that utnubu thing
[12:38] <dholbach> siretart: ++
[12:39] <ajmitch> I've got to get involved there too
[12:39] <siretart> and I think nometa and other debian developers would really appreciate it
[12:39] <dholbach> \sh, ogra: yes?
[12:39] <\sh> ogra: how is the mood towards ubuntu patches and new packages at all?
[12:39] <ogra> dholbach, they have browsers eyes and are able to read... lets point them to the page and they can care themselves
[12:39] <luis_> could you create an rss feed from your current tools, and ask them to subscribe to that for timely/reliable info?
[12:39] <ogra> \sh, its ok... the tone is rougher...
[12:39] <ogra> luis_, sure
[12:39] <\sh> ogra: rougher?
[12:40] <Seveas> luis_, there are RSS feeds for Ubuntu uploads
[12:40] <\sh> ogra: in what way?
[12:40] <siretart> \sh: I think it is generally very mixed and depends whom you ask. the utnubu guys seem to be very colaborative.
[12:40] <ogra> but my opinion is that we have enough work to do here... putting this stuff on a wiki page for them is already nice and makes their job easier
[12:40] <dholbach> i think it's no problem for anybody to write a mail: "hey, this is my package, it's in the archive, if you have questions, feel free to ask me"
[12:40] <ogra> but in the end its *their* job
[12:40] <dholbach> ogra: nobody does that either
[12:41] <\sh> actually, I can tell only about my experiences with some maintainers...
[12:41] <dholbach> an RSS feed in my opinion is not much of a "relationship", although it's convenient
[12:41] <\sh> and these exp. are really mixed
[12:41] <ogra> dholbach, i dont know since when youre subscribed to -utnubu-devel, but they already have tools to produce theur lists
[12:41] <siretart> dholbach: this could be the last step of work of the reviewing team, if a package is accepted into universe, write a small mail for that. I think I could hack something up like that for revu2..
[12:41] <dholbach> ogra: i read all the threads
[12:42] <dholbach> who is opposed to add "announce it on utnubu" to our MOTUNewPackagesPolicy?
[12:42] <ogra> dholbach, its their job as import team... its nice of us to offer them something, but i refuse to do their job
[12:42] <dholbach> ogra: we're not going to make them debian compliant or uploading or do whatever to the debian archive
[12:43] <comadreja> dholbach : I also think it's their job
[12:43] <dholbach> ok... any other opinions?
[12:43] <ogra> dholbach, if there are problems with a particular package i'm happy to help if they ask... but still they want to be the ubuntu import team...
[12:43] <dholbach> i never thought we'd have that response to writing a mail
[12:43] <\sh> ogra: can u give me the subscription address for this utnubu-devel ML? i only see -discuss and -maintainers
[12:43] <comadreja> dholbach : that mail could be automated
[12:44] <ogra> \sh, its on alioth.debian.org
[12:44] <ogra> \sh, search for utnubu
[12:44] <ogra> \sh, i meant -discuss above, sorry
[12:44] <\sh> ogra: ah ok :)
[12:45] <seb128> dholbach: don't annonce stuff on utnubu
[12:45] <ajmitch> ogra: perhaps I should try & make it more part of my MOTU responsibilites then?
[12:45] <dholbach> ok... we seem to cannot agree here and will rely on volunteer action
[12:45] <dholbach> seb128: it think it's ok to announce a new package there - do you think that's a problem or might make us run into problems?
[12:45] <seb128> it's not ok
[12:45] <CarlFK> I didn't see anyone opposed to the rss feed idea
[12:45] <ogra> ajmitch, i dont see it as a motu responsibility... i see itas a responsibility to make the info public available, but thats all
[12:45] <seb128> this project is not fine
[12:46] <\sh> dholbach: I think with new packages not in debian they will come with RFP/ITP process...
[12:46] <dholbach> i think we can just offer
[12:46] <siretart> seb128: what are your objections to utnubu?
[12:46] <dholbach> ogra: i was talking about making info public available, nothing else :)
[12:46] <seb128> ie: I don't want somebody to just take GNOME stuff from Ubuntu, to put them on the utnubu SVN and non maintain them from here
[12:46] <seb128> Debian expects some quality
[12:47] <dholbach> but it might be a start of working together on stuff
[12:47] <seb128> if somebody wants to maintain a GNOME stuff with Debian he should rather work with pkg-gnome
[12:47] <ogra> dholbach, you were talking about announcing it to utnubu, which may end in endless discussions... i dont like to waste my time with that
[12:47] <siretart> seb128: I think that was not nometa's intention
[12:47] <seb128> ie: with people interesting on that
[12:47] <dholbach> ogra: announcing, not discussing details :)
[12:47] <seb128> s/interesting/interested/
[12:47] <ogra> dholbach, you end up with this... see gparted... i dont see the last word spoken there
[12:48] <seb128> dholbach: that's not the place to announce, stuff
[12:48] <seb128> they will grab them
[12:48] <dholbach> ogra: that's one case - you can't judge a project after 3-4 weeks
[12:48] <seb128> upload them here rather than at the right place
[12:48] <ogra> dholbach, nope, i know...
[12:48] <seb128> and non-maintain them
[12:49] <dholbach> ok, we had quite some interesting points here... :)
[12:49] <dholbach> ok, looking at the time, we might hop over to point 3 - is that ok for you?
[12:49] <siretart> please
[12:49] <seb128> if somebody is interested to do the job for Debian he can do it correctly and join the appropriate team and working with thel
[12:49] <seb128> them
[12:49] <seb128> dholbach: go :)
[12:49] <dholbach> Trashing of MOTUNewPackages and MOTUToReview in favour of REVU
[12:49] <dholbach> the pages are momentarily just lying around
[12:50] <\sh> dholbach: when it's in the proper place on an own linode
[12:50] <dholbach> and nobody cares after them, some packages already got uploaded to REVU
[12:50] <dholbach> \sh: i'm solely talking about the wiki pages mentioned
[12:50] <\sh> I will clean them up...on sunday
[12:50] <\sh> dholbach: yes...
[12:51] <dholbach> \sh: we are discussing the point now :)
[12:51] <dholbach> does anybody feel we should keep them for a bit of time?
[12:51] <siretart> \sh: have you heard any news about the linode server?
[12:51] <\sh> siretart: no ... I will poke mdz or mako
[12:51] <\sh> or jane?
[12:51] <dholbach> or elmo?
[12:51] <ogra> \sh, rather elmo
[12:51] <\sh> someone :)
[12:51] <\sh> or elmo
[12:51] <siretart> \sh: great. I haven't had time the last weeks. next week I think I will have more time to work on revu
[12:52] <dholbach> ok? anybody who wants to keep them to not annoy people who mentioned their package there?
[12:52] <siretart> I think I read that the common lisp team has packages for review there..
[12:52] <siretart> what about packages which are on the package, but not uploaded yet to revu?
[12:52] <\sh> what about this: <h1>THESE PAGES WILL BE REMOVED IN THE NEAR FUTURE</h1> <h2>Please upload your packages to REVU</h2> on the first two lines?
[12:53] <ogra> yep, thats there since a month
[12:53] <tseng> and email -devel
[12:53] <\sh> yep
[12:53] <dholbach> yeah, we maybe should do that
[12:53] <dholbach> keep them for a brief period of time
[12:53] <dholbach> and announce their disposal
[12:53] <dholbach> agreed
[12:53] <dholbach> robitaille: are you there? point 4 is your point :)
[12:53] <robitaille> yes I'm here.
[12:54] <ajmitch> bug squashing!
[12:54] <dholbach> introduce us into the delights of malone assigning :)
[12:54] <robitaille> Should Malone bugs on Universe packages be assigned to MOTU members, or leave them unassigned?
[12:54] <ajmitch> as an aside, we should have a bug squashing party ;)
[12:54] <ajmitch> robitaille: assign them
[12:54] <robitaille> I have seen 2 positive feedback and one negative to the few I did recently
[12:55] <ajmitch> otherwise we don't see them
[12:55] <siretart> ++
[12:55] <tseng> i have no attention in even looking at bugs that are mass assigned to me
[12:55] <tseng> just one opinion
[12:55] <ogra> ajmitch, we have bugday every wednesday, since 2 months
[12:55] <dholbach> robitaille: i'm for it as well
[12:55] <tseng> i have my own bugs
[12:55] <ajmitch> tseng: you're different, in that you mainly focus on mono
[12:55] <tseng> yes.
[12:55] <ogra> ajmitch, tseng is on the teamlist
[12:55] <ajmitch> ogra: sure, but how often do people hear about that?
[12:55] <ogra> so he gets the bugmails
[12:55] <ajmitch> ogra: I know
[12:56] <\sh> well...we can assign them to the team and then can somebody pick up his favorite
[12:56] <ogra> ajmitch, you dont need to tell me that i suck as bugmaster ;)
[12:56] <dholbach> ok, how shall we deal with this?
[12:56] <robitaille> and there are maybe 250-300 bugs on universe packages. THat's could be a lot of traffic
[12:56] <ajmitch> ogra: haha, I didn't mean that ;)
[12:56] <ogra> ajmitch, but i... i'd love to get rid of that job :)
[12:56] <ajmitch> ogra: search for willing victims :)
[12:56] <dholbach> ogra: can we add a mailing list for assigned bugs?
[12:57] <dholbach> ogra: so we don't annoy people with millions of bug mails
[12:57] <dholbach> ogra: i don't remember the last state
[12:57] <ogra> dholbach, why dilys is posting every new bug in #ubuntu-bugs
[12:57] <ogra> ajmitch, yes, i saw him too :)
[12:57] <dholbach> ogra: but i'm not on irc 24h
[12:57] <ajmitch> ogra: irc isn't the best place for bug notification
[12:57] <dholbach> ajmitch: ++
[12:57] <ajmitch> it's useful, for sure
[12:57] <ogra> ajmitch, dholbach dilys can be easily modified to feed to rss i guess
[12:58] <ajmitch> I've spotted bugs there & started on the fixing because of dilys
[12:58] <robitaille> I like the dilys announcements...a good way to do quick bug triage on the spot
[12:58] <dholbach> ok, how can we have MOTUs in the MOTU team (for visibility), but not annoy them with sometimes useless bug mails
[12:58] <ogra> since she already entertains us with her prose :)
[12:59] <dholbach> ok, don't we have a solution for that yet?
[12:59] <ogra> dholbach, thats a question to the launchpad team
[12:59] <dholbach> a mailing list for motu bug mails would be cool
[12:59] <\sh> ogra: how fast can dilys be changed for feeding rss?
[12:59] <dholbach> ogra: i recall to already have asked the question - or maybe you did it
[12:59] <ogra> \sh, no idea... its not my baby
[12:59] <\sh> ajmitch: akregator ;)
[12:59] <ogra> dholbach, i think kiko said its trivial iirc
[12:59] <dholbach> ok
[01:00] <ajmitch> \sh: I said *decent* :)
[01:00] <dholbach> so we defer this question until we have a launchpad answer
[01:00] <\sh> ajmitch: ffox ;)
[01:00] <siretart> sistpoty: we need rss feeds for revu2 ;)
[01:00] <ajmitch> \sh: besides, I do a fair bit of work remotely
[01:00] <dholbach> is that ok with you?
[01:00] <\sh> sistpoty: rss2 please with full comments ;)
[01:00] <sistpoty> siretart: ack ;)
[01:00] <ogra> dholbach, yep... o with me...
[01:00] <ogra> ok
[01:00] <dholbach> ok
[01:00] <dholbach> common REVU practices - there are two topics I can think of, which got discussed on REVU - maybe we should have a bit of bendable policy and an agreement here
[01:00] <dholbach> 1) config.{guess,sub} in the diff (relying on build hosts' build system vs. clean diff)
[01:01] <dholbach> 2) changing .ORIG.tar.gz (sorry, I'm a bit biased)
[01:01] <dholbach> :)
[01:01] <\sh> aehm
[01:01] <dholbach> opinions on how to deal with that kind of stuff :)
[01:01] <\sh> 1) i don't like copies of config.{guess,sub} in the clean targets of the rules...
[01:01] <ogra> i thinkwe should hear a very experienced package for 1)
[01:01] <ogra> packager even
[01:02] <siretart> ajmitch: how do you think about this topic, with your DD hat on ;)
[01:02] <\sh> they're messing sometimes the who diff.gz so I put them in the configure target before ./configure
[01:02] <bddebian> heh
[01:02] <Riddell> \sh: you mean removing copies in the clear targets?
[01:02] <ajmitch> siretart: I've been a MOTU longer than a DD ;)
[01:02] <\sh> Riddell: yep
[01:02] <siretart> hehe
[01:03] <\sh> or the build management is so intelligent to remove those diffs from diff.gz
[01:03] <ajmitch> but I don't like having a diff with that mess
[01:03] <\sh> Riddell: and putting them in the configure target or config.sub
[01:03] <dholbach> i think there is clearly clearability of the diff versus relying on build systems' config.{guess,sub}
[01:04] <dholbach> (and we're talking about two files)
[01:04] <Riddell> \sh: what's wrong with removing it in debian/rules clean?
[01:04] <siretart> I see general agreement leaving config.{guess,sub} out for nicer .diff.gz (and therefore, better reviewability)
[01:04] <ogra> Riddell, its about *adding* it there
[01:04] <tseng> thats a pet peeve of mine
[01:04] <tseng> i cant stand that stuff in the diff
[01:05] <\sh> Riddell: dh_make templates is not removing them in debian/rules clean, they're copying it from build system
[01:05] <\sh> Riddell: so the diff.gz or debdiffs are getting messy with this crap
[01:05] <tseng> hi mdz :)
[01:05] <\sh> Riddell: it you move it from clean target to configure target u won't see them in the diff.gz or debdiff
[01:06] <mdz> I can't be fully attentive but if you have specific questions I can try to answer
[01:06] <dholbach> we're trying to arrange a bendable agreement on point 5 of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUMeeting
[01:06] <dholbach> config.{guess,sub} in the diff (relying on build hosts' build system vs. clean diff) and changing .ORIG.tar.gz
[01:06] <siretart> mdz: the current topic is if config.{guess,sub} should be deleted in debian/rules clean target
[01:07] <dholbach> because the reviewers suggested different "solutions"
[01:07] <mdz> I am not a fan of updating those files during the build in the first place
[01:07] <ogra> by default dh_make places the copying of these files in the clean target, that means i clutter my diff.gz totally... whats the rationale for that
[01:07] <dholbach> be back in a minute
[01:07] <Riddell> \sh: so move the rm -f config.{guess,sub} from debian/rules clean to debian/rules configure? how it that more elegant?
[01:08] <\sh> Riddell: it's not about rm -f config.{guess,sub} it's about cp -f /usr/share/misc/config.{guess,sub} $(CURDIR) in clean target
[01:08] <ogra> Riddell, its the cp that puts them into your sourcetree, not the rm....
[01:09] <seb128> just use cdbs :p
[01:09] <ajmitch> seb128: sadly we can't convert the world to cdbs :)
[01:09] <bddebian> Why not? ;-)
[01:09] <mdz> doing a build and then cleaning the tree should give you back the same tree you started with
[01:10] <ogra> it is done in the clean target by default, while it could be done with a build-dep on autotools-dev which makes sure the fils are the most recent and saves space in the diff
[01:10] <ajmitch> mdz: isn't that part of the automated testing spec?
[01:10] <dholbach> the readability isnt such a big point when you're talking about two files, is it?
[01:10] <mdz> ajmitch: possibly?
[01:11] <mdz> so if 1) you are updating config.* during the build, and 2) the build is being done in-tree, then you need to restore the files, not delete them
[01:11] <ogra> dholbach, if you make only a dependency change the difference is *huge*
[01:11] <ajmitch> I think pitti was talking about that, but that's another matter
[01:11] <mdz> that is what cdbs does, I believe
[01:12] <dholbach> ogra: and you rely on the build system's config.{sub,guess}, which is the whole point of copying them in before, NOT relying on the build system, but on your patch
[01:12] <siretart> so the approach dh_make uses is broken?
[01:12] <mdz> dh_make is broken in all sorts of ways
[01:12] <sistpoty> siretart: i think so... at least the templates that come from it (iirc)
[01:12] <\sh> ok...
[01:13] <\sh> this is an example
[01:13] <ogra> dholbach, but since they carry the descriptions of supported arches etc, i dont see the point not to take them from the build system... they'll match the build system... and in my eyes they are part of the tools, not of the source
[01:13] <\sh> -test -r /usr/share/misc/config.sub && \
[01:13] <\sh> cp -f /usr/share/misc/config.sub config.sub
[01:13] <\sh> -test -r /usr/share/misc/config.guess && \
[01:13] <\sh> cp -f /usr/share/misc/config.guess config.guess
[01:13] <\sh> in clean target before dh_clean
[01:14] <dholbach> shall we take this question to the mailing list and proceed to the next one? :)
[01:14] <\sh> so debuild is calling debian/rules clean first, copies the build systems config.{guess,sub} to the $(CURDIR) and messes the diff..this is what dh_make gives u as template...and many packages are using it
[01:14] <dholbach> oh sorry, \sh wanted to say something
[01:15] <\sh> example: atlas-cpp
[01:15] <dholbach> \sh: it doesnt "mess" for the sake of it
[01:15] <siretart> from the discussions we had, I'd consider that pattern in debian/rules broken
[01:15] <ajmitch> \sh: right, cdbs has a fair bit of stuff in /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/buildcore.mk & other files for handling this
[01:15] <ogra> me too
[01:15] <dholbach> \sh: it's there for a good reason - even lintian complains about too old config.{guess,sub} for a reason
[01:15] <siretart> it fails to restore the package state
[01:16] <ogra> dholbach, but it describes the capabilitys of the build tools, so why not use the ones from the actual build system
[01:16] <\sh> dholbach: i don't mind to copy that stuff..but not in the clean target, cause the diff is generated after debian/rules clean
[01:16] <dholbach> \sh: if you copy it in, it will always be in the diff
[01:17] <ogra> dholbach, it will be always new in every diff...
[01:17] <\sh> dholbach: not if the tree is cleaned correctly...it copies the stuff only, when config.{guess,sub} is not in place
[01:17] <ogra> dholbach, which is a total waste
[01:17] <seb128> these file are updated because that's required to build on some archs
[01:17] <\sh> but it's build time..not cleaning time...
[01:18] <dholbach> (especially for all those packages in debian that weren't touched for like two decades.... :))
[01:18] <\sh> so it should be in those parts where the build is done..and not where the build stuff is cleaned up
[01:18] <dholbach> but then you don't have control over what you upload, you rely on the build hosts config.{sub,guess}
[01:18] <ogra> seb128, yes, but why not updating them on the actual build system they use... i.e. at buildtime...
[01:19] <seb128> that's what cdbs does
[01:19] <seb128> dholbach: you don't want to use your version, autotools-dev has the reference versions known to work
[01:19] <\sh> seb128: that's what I said...put this piece of code in debian/rules configure target before the ./configure call...
[01:19] <ogra> ah, so my doing isnt wrong then :)
[01:20] <ajmitch> ogra: no, that's what we're arguing about ;)
[01:20] <mdz> the best solution would be to modify autoconf, upstream, to use the newer of the installed file and the one shipped with the package
[01:20] <dholbach> seb128: i want to use the version, i have locally on my disk, which procudes my diff :)
[01:20] <mdz> then this problem goes away entirely
[01:20] <seb128> dholbach: why?
[01:20] <mdz> it's the way it should have worked in the first place
[01:20] <ogra> dholbach, that might be outdated at buildtime...
[01:21] <mdz> I suggest proposing that to the upstream maintainer with a description of our situation
[01:21] <ogra> ok...
[01:21] <dholbach> mdz: which upstream?
[01:21] <dholbach> mdz: every single one of each package?
[01:21] <ogra> any objections when we go on to use the ones on the buildd until thats fixed ?
[01:22] <mdz> dholbach: autoconf upstream, as I said
[01:22] <dholbach> mdz: ah ok
[01:22] <dholbach> mdz: thanks
[01:23] <dholbach> ok, seems like we should proceed to the next time :)
[01:23] <bddebian> Are we making any decisions? ;-)
[01:23] <dholbach> what do you all think about chaging orig.tar.gz?
[01:23] <ogra> bddebian, thats rare in motu meetings...
[01:23] <ajmitch> dholbach: I don't like it
[01:23] <ogra> ;)
[01:23] <ogra> me neither
[01:24] <\sh> bddebian: yes we're contacting the autotools (god) upstream maintainer ;)
[01:24] <ajmitch> dholbach: and it should only be done where really really necessary
[01:24] <seb128> don't touch the orig.tar.gz
[01:24] <dholbach> i know cases of packaging cvs exported stuff, where a ./autogen.sh && make dist is in order
[01:24] <ajmitch> exceptions are license issues, where you have to cut out undistributable source
[01:24] <dholbach> but that's all i'd allow policy-wise
[01:25] <ogra> seb128, what do you do with cvs checked out stuff... dont you remove the CVS dirs ?
[01:25] <\sh> dholbach: why don't u call ./autogen during build time? ,-)
[01:25] <dholbach> ogra: cvs export
[01:25] <ajmitch> ogra: do that in debian/rules
[01:25] <dholbach> \sh: you don't do that :)
[01:25] <seb128> ogra: I use "make dist" which makes a proper tarball
[01:25] <Riddell> changing .orig.tar.gz is fine for removing upstream debian/ directories
[01:25] <seb128> no
[01:25] <\sh> dholbach: for cvs stuff of course...cause the original tarball is cvs exported...
[01:26] <siretart> debian policy suggests the target get-orig-source
[01:26] <siretart> This target fetches the most recent version of the original source package from a canonical archive site (via FTP or WWW, for example), does any necessary rearrangement to turn it into the original source tar file format described below, and leaves it in the current directory.
[01:26] <seb128> replacing the debian/ dir can go to the diff.gz
[01:26] <dholbach> seb128: ++ even if it looks ugly
[01:26] <seb128> it's not ugly
[01:26] <dholbach> seb128: in the diff - and i don't care about that :)
[01:27] <dholbach> seb128: i'm not opposing
[01:27] <seb128> k :)
[01:27] <seb128> -- other way :p
[01:27] <dholbach> but it's very hard to check hwo the source was altered
[01:27] <dholbach> and i ALWAYS do that when reviewing packages
[01:27] <dholbach> and you should imho do that too
[01:27] <ajmitch> my debian sponsor told me off for repacking the orig tarball :)
[01:27] <ogra> dholbach, please... indeed everybody does that :)
[01:27] <dholbach> in that perspective chainging orig.tar.gz is not very nice
[01:28] <dholbach> ogra: yes?
[01:28] <ogra> dholbach, sure... at least every reviewer i know around here
[01:28] <Riddell> I've also had tar files which are badly made upstream and arn't distcleaned, that should be tidied for .orig.tar.gz in my opinion
[01:28] <dholbach> ogra: i never did see such a comment on REVU expept my own :)
[01:29] <ogra> dholbach, you need to be more around on IRC ;-p
[01:29] <ajmitch> there is the other exception - cdbs & tarball.mk
[01:29] <seb128> if upstream tarball is not nice speak with upstream to get that fixed
[01:29] <dholbach> Riddell: i think it's more important to lart upstream and get it fixed in the diff :)
[01:29] <\sh> the question is, when you generate a CVS/SVN snapshot..is it a real orig.tar.gz or should we handle it in some other way
[01:29] <tseng> \sh: look at evolution-sharp
[01:29] <seb128> dholbach: exactly :)
[01:29] <tseng> evolution-sharp_0.6.99+0.7.orig.tar.gz
[01:30] <\sh> tseng: u made a diff from 0.699 to 0.7...
[01:30] <dholbach> siretart: i never heard of that target before - i'll have a look into it, thanks for the pointer
[01:30] <\sh> ?
[01:30] <tseng> no, i made a snapshot of the 0.7 branch
[01:31] <siretart> dholbach: it is an optinal target, though. But mentioned in debian policy, so I'd consider that as semi official target
[01:31] <\sh> tseng: and u called autogen.sh and created your own tarball?
[01:31] <dholbach> siretart: i'll look into it :)
[01:31] <tseng> autogen and make dist
[01:31] <ajmitch> \sh: that's a standard way to do it
[01:31] <ajmitch> \sh: since there is no existing tarball
[01:31] <siretart> dholbach: section 4.8
[01:31] <dholbach> cvs exports are an exceptional case i think
[01:31] <ogra> dholbach, isnt that what the debian/watch file is for ?
[01:31] <Riddell> I also change .orig from tar when using unsermake but upstream has made the tar for automake
[01:32] <seb128> all the changes can go to the diff.gz
[01:32] <Riddell> seb128: that makes for a muckle .diff.gz
[01:32] <ogra> seb128, s/can/should
[01:33] <dholbach> who took notes for PackagingTips?
[01:33] <ajmitch> ok, so do we have any agreement here?
[01:33] <Riddell> and some changes can't go in .diff e.g. removing files
[01:33] <ogra> Riddell, sure they can
[01:33] <\sh> too many ways are leading to mekkah
[01:34] <Riddell> ogra: removing files can't, means you need to add explicit rm -f lines to debian/rules
[01:34] <bddebian> heh
[01:34] <ogra> ajmitch, bah, youre just volunteering for a review day master job and cant wait... be patient !
[01:34] <dholbach> i think it's crucial, to encourage new motus to work tidily, to just grab upstream's tarball, apply their changes to it and not let them rip out what they want to make something "easier"
[01:34] <ogra> Riddell, and ?
[01:35] <Riddell> tidier and less error prone to just fix the upstream tar for the .orig
[01:35] <siretart> sorry folks, I need to leave now. See you tomorrow
[01:35] <\sh> cu siretart
[01:35] <bddebian> Later siretart
[01:36] <sistpoty> gn8 siretart
[01:36] <ajmitch> ogra: oh sure, it's my wildest dream ;)
[01:36] <ogra> ;)
[01:37] <dholbach> the problem as i see it, is: it's harder to track what people did to the code, people from other distributions/other developers have no clue, what they did to upstreams code, in my eyes it might even lead to security - imagine a new motu uploading a "modified" upstream source - you'd just read .diff.gz and not recognize what happened
[01:37] <ogra> Riddell, but breaking a holy rule :)
[01:37] <\sh> dholbach: changing upstreams code only via patch in debian/rules patch
[01:37] <dholbach> bye siretart
[01:37] <seb128> dholbach: md5sum should match upstream one
[01:37] <ajmitch> dholbach: I agree, someone reviewing should ideally be able to grab the tarball off upstream's site, confirm md5sum is what you have, and use it
[01:37] <dholbach> \sh: that's what we're talking about
[01:38] <tseng> im not sure why we even need to talk about this :)
[01:38] <dholbach> seb128: that's what i'm saying: never change the upstream orig.tar.gz :)
[01:38] <tseng> it seems obvious.
[01:38] <dholbach> ajmitch: that's what i do
[01:38] <ajmitch> tseng: it is obvious, but not everyone does it
[01:38] <\sh> dholbach: but this is the rule ;)
[01:38] <dholbach> ok, then we can all agree on pushing people to lart upstream, if the code/buildsystem is buggy and fix it in .diff.gz, right?
[01:38] <seb128> yep
[01:39] <dholbach> super
[01:39] <tseng> ++
[01:39] <dholbach> i love you guys
[01:39] <dholbach> last point on the agenda
[01:39] <dholbach> ajmitch: do it! :)
[01:39] <dholbach> seb128: :))))
[01:39] <\sh> dholbach: this is what we're doing all the time..fixing stuff from upstream via patch/dpatc
[01:39] <\sh> h
[01:39] <ajmitch> dholbach: why me? ;)
[01:39] <ogra> yeah, ajmitch for REVIEW MASTER !!
[01:39] <dholbach> ajmitch: it's your point
[01:40] <bddebian> ++
[01:40] <ajmitch> ok, I'm not applying for ReviewMaster, but we need to review *more*! :)
[01:40] <Riddell> dholbach: I trust you'll inform debian's ftpmasters of that policy then
[01:40] <\sh> ajmitch: come on...push us ,-)
[01:40] <ogra> ajmitch, to late... you got the job now :)
[01:40] <ajmitch> dholbach's enthusiasm for review days is great
[01:40] <ajmitch> so I think they need to be a regular part of our calendar
[01:40] <ajmitch> and we need to keep the list as short as possible
[01:41] <ajmitch> of course, feel free to do reviewing at anytime you can
[01:41] <ogra> ajmitch, dholbach will soon have a new job that draws his time.... dont expect him to be much more active then me
[01:41] <ogra> (in motu land)
[01:41] <dholbach> Riddell: i think we established reasons for doing it that way
[01:41] <ajmitch> ogra: yeah, don't expect anyone here to have lots of free time
[01:41] <ogra> ajmitch, and since you brought it up .... :)
[01:41] <ogra> ajmitch, i dont ...
[01:41] <ajmitch> looks like I've got another cap then?
[01:42] <dholbach> ogra: you seem to know more than i do
[01:42] <ajmitch> dholbach: sure, you'll probably find out about your job responsibilities the day you start (or later) :)
[01:42] <dholbach> i always had review days in mind like a measure to catch up on the always growing lists
[01:42] <\sh> ok...last point now...last cigarette
[01:42] <ogra> dholbach, just guessing from experience
[01:42] <ogra> ;)
[01:42] <dholbach> \sh: i have no papers left
[01:42] <ogra> dholbach, next meeting date and time
[01:43] <ajmitch> review days are a good time to make sure that the new guys are around to talk to
[01:43] <dholbach> i hope we'll find a way to get them sorted soon
[01:43] <dholbach> ajmitch: yeah that's true
[01:43] <ajmitch> ogra: 2 weeks or 4?
[01:43] <dholbach> ok... when will be next 1) review day 2) motu meeting?
[01:43] <ogra> we had said 4 once
[01:43] <\sh> ogra: between the last one and now were only 2 ;)
[01:43] <ogra> but if itsrewuired, we should change it
[01:43] <ajmitch> dholbach: next review day in 2 weeks
[01:43] <\sh> as I remember
[01:44] <ogra> \sh, the last one was postponed 2 weeks
[01:44] <ogra> so it were actually 6
[01:44] <ajmitch> by 'day' we mean a 48-hour period or more :)
[01:44] <dholbach> ajmitch: ok, i'll do an announce - august 18th?
[01:44] <\sh> ogra: oh yes
[01:44] <ajmitch> dholbach: sounds good
[01:44] <dholbach> ok, next review day august 18th
[01:44] <\sh> 2.9 + 14 days?
[01:44] <ogra> dholbach, calendar ?
[01:44] <dholbach> next motu meeting when?
[01:44] <\sh> 16
[01:44] <\sh> fits
[01:44] <dholbach> ogra: i'll do it
[01:44] <ogra> great...
[01:45] <dholbach> so when will it be?
[01:45] <dholbach> which time?
[01:45] <dholbach> the motu meeting
[01:45] <ogra> this current meeting isnt mentioned... we are lost without your care dholbach
[01:45] <ajmitch> dholbach: 3 weeks? :)
[01:45] <ajmitch> does this time of day suit people?
[01:45] <dholbach> a bit earlier :)
[01:46] <ajmitch> ok
[01:46] <dholbach> ogra: it is
[01:46] <ogra> iwouldnt say it suits, but better then 6:00 UTC
[01:46] <ajmitch> 20:00 UTC?
[01:46] <bddebian> Aye
[01:46] <bddebian> ajmitch: 20:00 is good
[01:46] <dholbach> yeah
[01:46] <ajmitch> great
[01:46] <comadreja> ++
[01:46] <dholbach> which date?
[01:46] <ajmitch> 8am for me, not too hard :)
[01:46] <ogra> dholbach, since when, i imported the calendar yesterday
[01:46] <ajmitch> dholbach: 3 weeks from now is the 24th
[01:46] <ajmitch> if you want it that soon
[01:47] <ajmitch> we've got a few things for the agenda already
[01:47] <dholbach> ok
[01:47] <ogra> dholbach, haha... 4th 00:00 *g* its there since ~2h it seems, sorry for the noise
[01:47] <dholbach> ogra: 3rd 22:00 utc
[01:48] <ogra> dholbach, my evo translates the TZ to localtime :)
[01:48] <dholbach> ah ok
[01:48] <dholbach> ok
[01:48] <ogra> so it shows up for the 4th
[01:48] <dholbach> one last thing: who will do a quick wrap up for the mailing lists?
[01:48] <dholbach> a quick one
[01:48] <ogra> i already missed the last one...
[01:48] <dholbach> i won't have the time this time
[01:49] <ogra> me neither 11th is feature freeze
[01:49] <\sh> bddebian will do it ,-)
[01:49] <dholbach> i'll do the announces of the next meetings/review days - thanks everybody - you guys rock! :)
[01:49] <ajmitch> dholbach: great, thanks
[01:49] <bddebian> \sh: Sure pretty easy. "No decisions were made"
[01:49] <ogra> bddebian, volunteering to write a wrap up ?
[01:49] <ajmitch> so who will summarise? bddebian, or shall I volunteer? :)
[01:49] <\sh> bddebian: ;) http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
[01:49] <ogra> bddebian, thanks :)
[01:50] <dholbach> just describe the points on the agenda and 2 sentences on what we decided/discussed :)
[01:50] <ajmitch> looks like it's been decided for poor bddebian
[01:50] <bddebian> Aye, wtf? :-)
[01:50] <ajmitch> bddebian: I can do it if you prefer
[01:50] <ajmitch> but it will take a couple of days for me to get to
[01:50] <\sh> bddebian: actually u r a native speaker...so when I will write all this...damn my english teacher will kill me ,-)
[01:50] <dholbach> good night :)
[01:51] <ajmitch> night dholbach
[01:51] <\sh> ajmitch: let bddebian do it ;)
[01:51] <bddebian> ajmitch: I wouldn't mind but between not being an MOTU nor being on the ML, maybe you should?
[01:51] <bddebian> gnight dholbach
[01:51] <sistpoty> night dholbach
[01:51] <\sh> bddebian: u will write...and I will post
[01:51] <comadreja> nite
[01:51] <\sh> cu guys...
[01:51] <ogra> ciao dholbach
[01:51] <\sh> good night even :)
[01:51] <mbreit> good night...
[01:51] <\sh> bddebian: deal?
[01:52] <bddebian> \sh: deal
[01:52] <\sh> bddebian: ok :)
[01:52] <ajmitch> alright..
[01:52] <ogra> bddebian, http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-March/005093.html
[01:53] <bddebian> Can I hit it tomorrow morning, my time?
[01:53] <\sh> bddebian: and u'll find the logs of this meeting on http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ so u know what to summarize
[01:53] <\sh> bddebian: yes
[01:53] <ogra> bddebian, you can hit it every time you like...
[01:53] <bddebian> heh
[01:53] <sistpoty> gn8 everybody
[01:53] <bddebian> gnight sistpoty
[01:53] <ajmitch> night sistpoty
[01:53] <bddebian> Go to bed :-)
[01:54] <\sh> will do right now :)
[01:54] <bddebian> I gotta go play with the kids, catch you all later
[01:54] <bddebian> ajmitch: Have fun :-)
[01:54] <ogra> ciao bddebian and thanks :)
[01:54] <\sh> bddebian: play soccer ;)
[01:54] <bddebian> ogra: np
[01:54] <\sh> ok...good night gentlemen :) cu later this morning ;)
[01:54] <bddebian> \sh: Aye :)
[01:54] <bddebian> gnight \sh
[01:54] <ogra> \sh, sleep well
[01:54] <\sh> trying to :)
[01:54] <ajmitch> someone can put the next meeting & review days on the calendar?
[01:55] <janimonoses> good night all
[01:56] <ajmitch> hmm, will do after lunch, someone remind me then :)
[01:56] <robitaille> ajmitch: I can do it a bit later when I update my ics file
[01:56] <ogra> ajmitch, dholbach said he would
[01:56] <ajmitch> robitaille: dholbach has it open for editing
[01:56] <ajmitch> so I'll leave that to him
[01:57] <robitaille> these daniels are so good at updates... :)
[01:57] <ogra> heh
[01:57] <ogra> what would we dou without you :)
[01:57] <ogra> s/dou/so
[01:57] <ogra> do
[01:57] <ogra> grrrr
[01:58] <cyphase> hey everyon
[01:59] <cyphase> everyone*
[01:59] <ajmitch> hello
[02:00] <ajmitch> bye all
[02:01] <robitaille> cyphase: looking for a meeting?
[02:05] <Seveas> robitaille, this isn't a dating channel ;)
[02:08] <tseng> its not?
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[02:11] <Seveas> hmm
[02:11] <Seveas> dchroot must have done something bad
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2005-08-09-#ubuntu-motu
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[12:22] <ajmitch> hard choices, should I do simple-patchsys or dpatch for this package? :)
[12:23] <mbreit> ajmitch: i would say, if you use cdbs use the first.. if not, use dpatch...
[12:23] <ajmitch> well I'd rather not use a patch system at all & convert all these packages to baz archives
[12:23] <crimsun> I'd use simple-patchsys only because I'm used to it, but cdbs is fair game.
[12:24] <ajmitch> but that will take a bit longer to setup
[12:28] <janimonoses> hey crimsun
[12:29] <janimonoses> so far I only closed the MOM bugs
[12:29] <janimonoses> some more xfce packages built after the clean sync but many didn't still
[12:29] <janimonoses> I am looking at weird build failures
[12:37] <ajmitch> please
[12:53] <crimsun> janimonoses: ok.
[12:53] <crimsun> I'm looking at xfce-mcs-manager now.
[12:58] <janimonoses> crimsun, I think I saw similar pkg-config errors in hoary but I don't know in which package and more importantly how did the problem go away :)
[01:03] <crimsun> janimonoses: hard-wired configure.ac, mostly
[01:05] <dholbach> mdz: we're meeting in #ubuntu-meeting - if you wanted to join us
[01:05] <ogra> yay mdz
[01:05] <dholbach> mdz: point 5 of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUMeeting
[01:05] <ogra> we're discussing config{sub,guess} handling in the pacjage
[01:06] <ogra> by default dh_make places the copying in the clean target, that means i clutter my diff.gz totally... whats the rationale for that
[01:06] <ogra> ?
[01:07] <ogra> grmpf... talking to myself here
[01:09] <bddebian> ogra: :-)
[01:11] <Burgundavia> ogra, well, tuxtype has legal issues as well
[01:11] <ogra> hrmpf
[01:12] <Burgundavia> but a new upstream, not yet in debian might solve it
[01:12] <Burgundavia> see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=218908
[01:13] <Burgundavia> without that new upstream version, I don't see pitti approving it
[01:17] <Burgundavia> ogra, can you help me with FHS and Debian Policy stuff?
[01:17] <ajmitch> what FHSisms are at issue?
[01:17] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, no, just checking that packages meet those
[01:18] <ogra> Burgundavia, sure... but currently i'm in motu meeting... and if the packages come from deban we dont need to care about FHS i think
[01:18] <Burgundavia> I honestly have no idea where to start looking
[01:18] <Burgundavia> ogra, can I assume all debian packages meet both, or there would be bugs about it?
[01:19] <ogra> yep the latter
[01:19] <Burgundavia> ok
[01:23] <Burgundavia> ogra, we have to move an entire source package, no?
[01:24] <ogra> Burgundavia, either that, or modify and split the binary targets that get built from it
[01:25] <Burgundavia> this is one of those huge kde packages
[01:25] <Burgundavia> kdeedu
[01:30] <ogra> do we need that ? i thought we only need pieces...
[01:31] <Burgundavia> we need all but about 3 parts
[01:32] <Burgundavia> the japanese lang stuff
[01:35] <Burgundavia> ogra, shall we just pull in the remain few things?
[01:36] <ogra> hmm, can we postpone that decision ? i' currently in the mou meeting and working since 16h or more...
[01:36] <Burgundavia> ogra, ok
[01:36] <Burgundavia> shall I email edubuntu-devel about it?
[01:51] <dholbach> good night everybody
[01:55] <ogra> Burgundavia, probaly good as a reminder
[01:55] <comadreja> ogra: I have some minor problems, do you have a bit of time for me ?
[01:55] <comadreja> ogra: or maybe refer me to somebody else I could ask for help...
[01:56] <ogra> what is it comadreja ?
[01:56] <comadreja> launchpad doesn't let me join the team moto and motuim
[01:57] <comadreja> and I haven't received yet acknowledge for my key, CoC signature
[01:57] <ogra> comadreja, someone has to add you
[01:57] <comadreja> it doesn't let me even be a proposed member
[01:58] <ogra> mako was travelling, he just arrived home... give him some time to catch up with mails and poke him online
[01:58] <comadreja> oh, I see, could you add me to the motu team ?
[02:00] <ogra> comadreja, you launchpad name ?
[02:00] <ogra> your
[02:01] <comadreja> ogra, jorge-drqueue ?
[02:02] <ogra> [email protected] ?
[02:02] <comadreja> yes
[02:02] <ogra> added
[02:02] <comadreja> thanks !!
[02:02] <comadreja> you rock :D
[02:03] <ogra> its two clicks ;)
[02:04] <comadreja> hey why is everybody administrator and me only approved ? :D
[02:04] <ogra> changed, sorry :)
[02:04] <comadreja> just kidding, I thought it was right :)
[02:05] <ogra> every approved member should be able to change stuff for motu ;)
[02:06] <comadreja> oh, I see
[02:10] <mbreit> i will go to bed now, too...
[02:10] <mbreit> good night everybody!
[02:10] <comadreja> nite mbreit
[02:28] <robitaille> ~/quit
[02:30] <Burgundavia> ogra, I will email edubuntu-devel. I should also be able to have most of the reports finished tonight
[02:30] <ogra> wow
[02:31] <ogra> Burgundavia, you rock !!
[02:31] <Burgundavia> it just means I have to knuckle down
[02:31] <Burgundavia> making the reports is quite tedious
[02:32] <ogra> yes, but there are some heavy things in the list.. i'll have to add a lot later and ahve to change several dependencys of the packages
[02:33] <Burgundavia> the servers apps I would like you to do
[02:33] <Burgundavia> I don't trust that I have the right knowledge
[02:33] <ogra> sure, no prob... especially since we dont know yet if we go with php4 or 5
[02:33] <ogra> i have to rebuild and test the packages first
[02:34] <Burgundavia> the desktop stuff is pretty easy and I haven'
[02:34] <ogra> but currently my nightmare has the name gcompris... it wont compile with gcc-4.0
[02:34] <Burgundavia> the kdeedu stuff is going to be easy
[02:35] <Burgundavia> I don't anticipate any problems there
[03:17] <tseng> hi
[03:17] <ajmitch> ogra: do you know if gcompris FTBFS in sid as well? I don't see the bugreport there
[03:17] <ajmitch> how's it going, tseng ?
[03:18] <tseng> meh
[03:18] <ajmitch> one of those weeks?
[03:18] <ogra> ajmitch, nope, but on all gcc-4.0 based distros
[03:19] <ogra> cvs works fine here, i'll fix our package tomorrow
[03:19] <ajmitch> ogra: ok, I guess someone is yet to file a sid bug (hint, hint) *g*
[03:19] <ogra> ajmitch, i'll do this as well, but i cant wait anymore for debian...
[03:20] <ogra> *g*
[03:20] <ajmitch> ogra: I know, I don't want to put any more pressure on you
[03:20] <ajmitch> bddebian: whyever not?
[03:20] <ajmitch> summaries of meetings is nice & easy :)
[03:20] <ogra> ajmitch, i work better under pressure ;)
[03:21] <ajmitch> so do I, funnily enough
[03:21] <ogra> but the only thing that is able to give me pressure is a calendar :)
[03:22] <ajmitch> of course I only found out about it yesterday ;)
[03:23] <ogra> fun :)
[03:23] <ajmitch> sure is
[03:23] <ajmitch> not as fun as fixing unmet deps though
[03:24] <bddebian> Heh
[03:24] <bddebian> OK, ice cream time, later gang
[03:24] <ajmitch> bye bddebian
[03:27] <ajmitch> if I touch it & don't file a debian bug, doko would hunt me down ;)
[03:27] <ogra> ciao bddebian
[05:45] <Burgundavia> ogra, you are aware that audacity is still borked on breezy
[05:47] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: how so?
[05:48] <ajmitch> please give some details of how I broke it, please :)
[05:48] <bddebian> eh
[05:48] <bddebian> Err heh even
[05:48] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, cannot find default sound device
[05:49] <crimsun> even if /dev/dsp is free?
[05:49] <Burgundavia> yes
[05:49] <Burgundavia> bloody hell, malone is borked right now
[05:49] <ajmitch> ok..
[05:49] <Burgundavia> it might just be my system
[05:49] <robitaille> Burgundavia: Malone seems to work for me
[05:49] <Burgundavia> I type is the search bar and go here
[05:50] <robitaille> I was looking at https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/337
[05:50] <Burgundavia> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/
[05:50] <robitaille> Burgundavia: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/ works for me...
[05:50] <Burgundavia> yes, but I don't go to that page
[05:51] <Burgundavia> my url stays the search one
[05:51] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, you are doing alsa stuff no?
[05:52] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: nope, crimsun is
[05:52] <Burgundavia> ok
[05:52] <ajmitch> I try & ignore the details of sound stuff as much as possible :)
[05:53] <Burgundavia> crimsun, are we waiting on a sync from debian with alsa?
[05:53] <crimsun> Burgundavia: which source package?
[05:53] <ajmitch> considering that they don't even use ubuntu1
[05:53] <ajmitch> crimsun: look at malone #407 & lart them :)
[05:54] <Burgundavia> crimsun, -base and -utils
[05:54] <Burgundavia> sorry, -driver
[05:55] <crimsun> Burgundavia: perhaps 4
[05:55] <crimsun> (-4)
[05:55] <Burgundavia> ok
[05:58] <robitaille> ajmitch: well...if you can't listen to your mp3s on your sb16 card, that's a real emergency :)
[05:59] <ajmitch> robitaille: I've still got an sb16pnp in a breezy box here :)
[05:59] <ajmitch> I can't remember the last time it actually worked
[06:00] <crimsun> snd-sb16 should work fine with it if it's a genuine SB16 PNP
[06:02] <bddebian> Gnight gang
[06:05] <ajmitch> crimsun: sure, but my card is probably dead
[06:07] <ajmitch> isa deserves to be relegated to the history books :)
[06:29] <chillywilly> barry is a wimp
[06:30] <chillywilly> :)
[06:30] <chillywilly> who the hell needs sleep anyway?
[06:33] <ajmitch> I don't see you volunteering to help out with everything ;)
[06:36] <chillywilly> I attempted to build some packages that had unmet deps but this guy ajmitch took away all my fun :)
[06:37] <ajmitch> that's what I'm here for
[06:40] <Burgundavia> chillywilly, you tried planner?
[06:41] <chillywilly> wassat? ;)
[06:42] <chillywilly> oh, project replacement
[06:42] <Burgundavia> pretty much dead
[06:42] <Burgundavia> needs someone who likes to hack something like that
[06:42] <chillywilly> I'd rather have something web based
[06:42] <Burgundavia> which is pretty much nobody
[06:42] <chillywilly> dotproject looked promising
[06:43] <chillywilly> but I figure I will just learn stinking M$ Project for now and then find something web based later on
[08:06] <dabaR> Hi. Is there a bum package for ubuntu anywhere?
[08:07] <Burgundavia> dabaR, just got synced
[08:08] <dabaR> was that mean?
[08:09] <dabaR> haha
[08:09] <dabaR> that did not mean what I meant.
[08:09] <ajmitch> he means 'yes'
[08:09] <dabaR> What do you mean synced?
[08:09] <dabaR> ok, coolness.
[08:09] <dabaR> so, in one of the repos for hoary?
[08:09] <ajmitch> probably breezy
[08:10] <ajmitch> it would only be in hoary if it were backported
[08:10] <dabaR> hm...so should one isntall it onto hoary, what is your estimate?
[08:10] <Lathiat> dabaR: it wont happen unless someone begs for it to go into backports, and assuming it can easily go into backports
[08:11] <dabaR> so not just install the breezy version onto hoary?
[08:12] <ajmitch> it's often not a good idea
[08:13] <dabaR> so, yall been warned type of deal...ok, thank you guys.
[09:37] <Burgundavia> Natja, please turn that off
[09:40] <chillywilly> hmmm, MS Project must die
[09:47] <siretart> morning, folks
[10:01] <Amaranth> Natja: Please turn that off.
[10:06] <Burgundavia> hmm --> http://users.on.net/~spohlenz/ubuntu/
[10:10] <siretart> Burgundavia: what is with that?
[10:10] <Burgundavia> basic little tool to install ndiswrapper stuff, graphically
[10:10] <siretart> cool
[10:11] <Burgundavia> there are even sources there
[10:11] <Burgundavia> I have asked the author to come here
[10:11] <Burgundavia> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=286024&posted=1#post286024
[10:12] <siretart> I don't use ndiswrapper, but he is welcome to upload that package to revu
[10:12] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:17] <Burgundavia> that ndiswrapper thing is even written in python
[10:18] <siretart> cool
[10:18] <Burgundavia> the UI cannot be simpler
[10:21] <Burgundavia> siretart, http://img323.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ndisgtk0zc.png
[10:23] <siretart> looking nice, indeed
[10:24] <Burgundavia> this one we might want to push into main
[10:26] <niran> it's another summer of code project: http://spohlenz.blogspot.com/
[10:26] <Burgundavia> oh
[10:26] <Burgundavia> didn't know that
[10:27] <Burgundavia> that is why it is written in python
[10:29] <niran> it's for this spec: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/GraphicalConfigTools
[10:30] <Burgundavia> given that all the ones on that page got done by gnome in .12, I wondered what they would do
[10:30] <tamir> /msg NickServ IDENTIFY 275364547
[10:30] <Burgundavia> tamir, oops
[10:30] <Burgundavia> tamir, you know that xchat can autoidentify for you?
[10:31] <tamir> damit
[10:31] <tamir> oh doesn't matter, I don't care of this
[10:33] <Burgundavia> I find it interesting who is fetching that atheros project stuff
[10:37] <siretart> do you mean madwifi?
[10:37] <siretart> who is caring for this?
[10:38] <Burgundavia> no
[10:38] <Burgundavia> fedora got a soc to reverse engineer the atheros driver
[10:38] <Burgundavia> http://computer-lab.blogspot.com/
[10:39] <Burgundavia> fedora and ubuntu both got bounties to write simple backup things. Both to be written in python
[10:41] <niran> i could search... but where are the fedora bounties?
[10:42] <Burgundavia> http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraBounties
[10:42] <niran> thanks
[10:43] <Burgundavia> I really hope in the next month we get a flood of releasing stuff
[10:43] <Burgundavia> because it is all quiet on the western front with some people
[10:43] <niran> yeah, there's a few of the ubuntu bounties that i havent heard anything about
[10:44] <Burgundavia> one has already been dropped
[10:44] <Burgundavia> the xen stuff
[10:44] <niran> yeah, i saw that
[10:45] <niran> i don't know how many of them realize that the projects are supposed to be finished by feature freeze
[10:45] <niran> i.e. one week
[10:45] <Burgundavia> ouch
[10:46] <Burgundavia> features after feature freeze make the doc team hunt you down and kill you
[10:46] <niran> exactly
[10:46] <niran> i'd like to live
[10:46] <niran> there are still a couple of big things i need to do in the next week
[10:46] <niran> it should be interesting
[10:46] <niran> and next week is my physics final
[10:46] <niran> fun.
[10:47] <siretart> what?!
[10:47] <siretart> xen has been dropped?! why that?
[10:47] <niran> the bounty reciever never replied
[10:47] <Treenaks> that, and the hype has died down
[10:48] <siretart> :(
[10:48] <siretart> is there some mail about that decision? or blog entry?
[10:48] <niran> hm... i thought the breezygoals page said it, but now it says it's assigned
[10:49] <niran> did someone else get it afterwards?
[10:49] <Burgundavia> deferred
[10:49] <niran> ah, it's here: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyBounties
[10:49] <siretart> err, I thought ed despard was working on this
[10:50] <siretart> he wrote this in a mail to ubuntu-devel on Jul 5
[10:51] <niran> ah, i see the mail
[10:51] <niran> maybe it will actually happen
[10:53] <Burgundavia> all the google stuff I want to see happen, but your stuff niran was probably the best
[10:54] <niran> :) that's why i picked it
[10:54] <Burgundavia> I am glad you have not gone awol
[10:54] <niran> i think it'll really nelp new users that are used to the windows way to install programs
[10:54] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:54] <Burgundavia> synaptic + my step-mother = evil
[10:54] <niran> haha
[10:55] <Burgundavia> let alone CLI stuff
[10:55] <niran> i think what really helps in terms of the bounties is that i was already around the community beforehand, so i kind of knew how things worked
[10:55] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:55] <Burgundavia> dropping in and starting something like g-a-i is hard
[10:56] <niran> i still had to spend lots of time learning random things
[10:56] <niran> it's my first real pygtk program
[10:57] <niran> plus, it's using libraries with no documentation
[10:57] <niran> fun.
[10:57] <Burgundavia> when does google want the project to be done by?
[10:57] <niran> sept 1
[10:57] <Burgundavia> ah
[10:57] <Burgundavia> and who upchecks you?
[10:57] <niran> our mentor
[10:57] <niran> for me, mvo
[10:57] <Burgundavia> ok
[10:59] <Burgundavia> is the plan to make g-a-i agnostic of dpkg and push it upstream?
[11:01] <niran> ultimately, sure
[11:01] <niran> if fedora or someone shows interest, i'll try to abstract away the apt-isms
[11:01] <niran> but for now it's not worth it
[11:01] <Burgundavia> ya
[11:02] <niran> what i'm more concerned about is making it easy for someone to do a kde port
[11:02] <niran> but... it's tied pretty closely to the gui, so it'd take a lot of new code
[11:02] <niran> one gtk program won't hurt kubuntu people
[11:03] <Lathiat> ITS MURDER
[11:03] <koke> niran: BTW, if you want to look at my old notes about FindingPackages http://wiki.amedias.org/wk/FindingPackages
[11:03] <niran> koke, cool, thanks
[11:03] <niran> Lathiat, you'll live :)
[11:04] <koke> I've just seen rrdtool binary is in universe but source is in main
[11:04] <koke> is it normal? have I missed a layout change? :)
[11:59] <Burgundavia> night
[02:06] <herve> hello
[02:07] <ajmitch> hey herve
[02:07] <\sh> hey herve
[02:07] <\sh> tseng: what must I read now on p.u.c? u had a surgery?
[02:07] <ajmitch> \sh!
[02:08] <tseng> \sh: i did.
[02:08] <tseng> yesterday
[02:08] <ajmitch> must have been fun
[02:08] <tseng> much better now
[02:08] <\sh> tseng: I hope nothing serious....a new arm or something for faster typing?
[02:08] <ajmitch> recovering ok then?
[02:08] <tseng> yep
[02:08] <tseng> \sh: i am the 6 million dollar man
[02:08] <tseng> \sh: no.. read the post before
[02:10] <\sh> tseng: ay...this is not good..
[02:11] <ajmitch> no, it's obvious he needs motu work to keep his mind off things
[02:12] <\sh> i believe it came with the mono work...MS stuff is not healthy at all...try to work on python stuff, tseng, or perl, and everything will be fine
[02:12] <tseng> i am not that interested in mono in and of itself, believe it or not
[02:13] <ajmitch> mainly in the apps?
[02:13] <Treenaks> tseng: so you're not Miguel's clone?
[02:13] <tseng> its the apps that run on mono that i am in love with
[02:13] <tseng> Treenaks: no.
[02:14] <\sh> tseng: as your doc I will give you the advise..leave mono for a while and concentrate on soft stuff like python or perl ,-)
[02:14] <tseng> haha
[02:14] <tseng> i do tcl and php at work
[02:14] <ajmitch> miguel can be quite entertaining
[02:14] <tseng> ajmitch++
[02:16] <tseng> bradb: yo yo
[02:19] <ajmitch> how's the launchpad sprint going/gone in .br?
[02:19] <bradb> hey tseng, how's it going?
[02:19] <tseng> bradb: not too bad, yourself?
[02:20] <bradb> good thanks. busy spec'ing in brazil.
[02:20] <tseng> yeah, brazil :)
[02:21] <ajmitch> great, malone is looking better these days :)
[02:43] <CarlFK> how do I tell what libavifile-0.7-dev depends on?
[02:45] <ajmitch> apt-cache depends libavifile-0.7-dev
[02:45] <CarlFK> thanks
[02:47] <ajmitch> and grep-dctrl tells me that only drip & dvr build-depend on it
[02:48] <CarlFK> transcode apparently does
[02:48] <CarlFK> but libavifile-0.7-dev wont install
[02:48] <CarlFK> libavifile-0.7-dev: Conflicts: libavifile-0.7 but 1:0.7.43.20050224-1ubuntu4 is to be installed
[02:49] <ajmitch> right, I just checked universe, not multiverse :)
[02:50] <ajmitch> perhaps it's a package that hasn't progressed through NEW due to a c++ transition or similar?
[02:51] <ajmitch> or I think the depends/conflicts is a mess
[02:53] <CarlFK> should I post this to the -devel list?
[02:54] <ajmitch> possibly, I'm not sure if anyone plans to fix it there
[02:54] <ajmitch> since it's a universe issue
[02:54] <CarlFK> ah
[02:54] <CarlFK> so where?
[02:54] <ajmitch> file bugs in malone
[02:55] <CarlFK> I have heard of that... where is it?
[02:55] <ajmitch> launchpad.net/malone
[02:56] <CarlFK> thanks
[03:06] <CarlFK> so do I register libavifile as a product?
[03:06] <tseng> no
[03:07] <tseng> oh wow @ new malone page
[03:07] <tseng> CarlFK: File bug on a package
[03:07] <CarlFK> which package?
[03:07] <tseng> libavifile?
[03:08] <CarlFK> ah - i see package now
[03:08] <tseng> bradb: i am loving malone.
[03:09] <CarlFK> how do I search for libavifile?
[03:10] <tseng> view ubuntu bugs
[03:10] <tseng> on the front page
[03:12] <bradb> tseng: really, that's good to hear
[03:12] <bradb> tseng: have you noticed significant improvements of late?
[03:12] <tseng> it looks like you fixed alot of my problems
[03:13] <tseng> bradb: im just now seeing the new updates, i must have not been on the page for awhile
[03:13] <ajmitch> yeah, malone is certainly more usable now
[03:13] <tseng> but oh
[03:13] <tseng> i got some malone spam
[03:13] <tseng> should i fwd to you
[03:13] <ogra> bradb, hey... have a look at
[03:13] <ogra> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/768
[03:13] <ogra> ... any chance to avoid autoresponder spam from users ?
[03:13] <tseng> ah, right
[03:14] <ajmitch> because we get that spam now that the bugs are assigned to us
[03:14] <ajmitch> that's what we had to ask about - getting a mailing list subscribed instead of all the MOTU team
[03:15] <ogra> the bugsummary is worth making a poster of it :)
[03:15] <tseng> what about an alias
[03:15] <tseng> rather than a list
[03:15] <ogra> 2.0.1-7ubuntu2 fubar, rebuilt 2.0.4-1 from Debian Testing fine
[03:15] <bradb> sorry guys, getting kind of distracted over here in .br. in the middle of writing Malone specs.
[03:15] <bradb> next landing is a CVE report for the distribution
[03:15] <tseng> thats what gentoo does, as \sh is so fond of pointing out :P
[03:16] <bradb> by tomorrowish, we should have landed the source package bugs listing
[03:16] <ajmitch> sweet
[03:21] <CarlFK> shouldn't "source package name" be libavifile-0.7-dev or something similar?
[03:23] <mbreit> source package name of libavifile is "avifile"
[03:23] <mbreit> see apt-cache show libavifile-0.7-dev
[03:23] <CarlFK> thanks
[03:24] <mbreit> btw: could someone please review my gnomeradio package?
[03:24] <mbreit> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=292
[03:39] <ajmitch> should I bother to fix the speedtouch package? since apparantly it isn't needed for kernels >= 2.6.10
[03:39] <tseng> sounds like a -devel list question
[03:39] <havoc> what is speedtouch?
[03:39] <tseng> see if anyone stil has a need
[03:40] <ajmitch> havoc: dsl modem driver
[03:40] <havoc> ah
[03:40] <ajmitch> there's a kernel driver, and 2.6.10 has it's own firmware loader that this package supplied
[03:42] <havoc> DSL sucks
[03:42] <havoc> at least SBC's DSL sucks
[03:43] <ajmitch> so does everything else, but DSL just sucks less
[03:43] <havoc> SBC's is pretty bad as far as reliability goes
[03:43] <havoc> I have many clients who have no other option other than SBC DSL and it is nothing but problems
[03:44] <havoc> most of the issues related to PPPoE
[03:44] <ajmitch> and there's only 1 dsl provider here
[03:44] <havoc> or rather their implementation of PPPoE
[03:44] <havoc> ajmitch: SBC?
[03:44] <tseng> you guys dont do cable?
[03:44] <ajmitch> no...
[03:44] <ajmitch> this is new zealand, why would we have SBC? :)
[03:44] <havoc> ajmitch: duh, I forgot :)
[03:44] <ajmitch> there is cable in only a couple of areas in NZ
[03:45] <ajmitch> but telecom NZ has the DSL monopoly
[03:45] <highvoltage> hi guys
[03:45] <zul> powered by sheep?
[03:45] <tseng> is this "the" jono?
[03:45] <ajmitch> no, hot air piped in from parliament :P
[03:47] <zul> hehe
[03:47] <ajmitch> looks like backports mono is failing on the buildd due to build-deps
[03:47] <tseng> which?
[03:47] <ajmitch> 36 cli-common: Depends: mono-utils but it is not installable or
[03:48] <ajmitch> 37 cil-disassembler but it is not installable
[03:48] <ajmitch> just the usual
[03:48] <tseng> oh right..
[03:48] <tseng> buh
[03:48] <ajmitch> that's why I specified backports before getting you worried
[03:48] <tseng> yes i forgot to tell them to bootstrap it
[03:49] <highvoltage> tseng: what do you mean by "the" jono?
[03:49] <tseng> ill get Mez up to speed when im not hopped up on drugs
[03:49] <tseng> highvoltage: jono bacon
[03:49] <highvoltage> oh, no.
[03:49] <highvoltage> my name is jonathan :)
[03:51] <tseng> heh.
[04:00] <\sh> going home...later dudes
[04:20] <Mez> ajmitch, mono failing on buildd? tseng told me it built fine
[04:21] <tseng> Mez: you need to cut build-deps to start
[04:21] <tseng> its funny
[04:21] <tseng> we can talk about it later
[04:21] <Mez> ??
[04:21] <tseng> ??
[04:22] <tseng> its a bootstrap dude
[04:22] <tseng> mono build-dep cli common, cli-common dep mono
[04:22] <tseng> you have to work around first upload
[04:22] <Mez> ah fair enough
[04:22] <tseng> we'll talk later
[04:22] <Mez> tseng: fair enough - you'll have to poke me and stuff
[04:22] <Mez> I cant see it failing though
[04:22] <tseng> yep
[04:23] <tseng> aj says it is
[04:23] <tseng> i believe everything he says.
[04:23] <Mez> ah yes it is
[04:24] <Mez> but cli-common is building ok
[04:24] <Mez> well, i386 is anyways
[04:24] <tseng> yes but its uninstallable
[04:24] <tseng> is the point
[04:24] <Mez> ah, yes :D I see what you mean now
[04:25] <Mez> file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html
[04:26] <Mez> grr
[04:26] <Mez> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:26] <Mez> cli-common: Depends: mono-utils but it is not installable or
[04:26] <Mez> cil-disassembler but it is not installable
[04:26] <Mez> Depends: mono-mcs but it is not installable or
[04:26] <Mez> strong-name-tool but it is not installable
[04:26] <Mez> E: Broken packages
[04:26] <tseng> yes
[04:26] <tseng> so the deal is
[04:26] <tseng> oh wow
[04:26] <tseng> how are we going to do this
[04:26] <tseng> if everything has to be pulled from breezy
[04:27] <Mez> tseng: how did you get it to build for hoary?
[04:27] <tseng> hoary was totally different
[04:27] <tseng> and much worse
[04:27] <tseng> oh.. how did i do the backport?
[04:28] <tseng> i commented out cli-common build dep
[04:28] <tseng> and dh_*cli* in rules
[04:28] <tseng> built once
[04:28] <tseng> then cli-common is installable
[04:28] <tseng> put it all back, built again
[04:28] <tseng> done.
[04:28] <Mez> so you basically made a fake pacakge for cli-common
[04:28] <tseng> but you cant make changes to the packages
[04:29] <tseng> yes
[04:29] <tseng> a bootstrap
[04:29] <Mez> hmmles
[04:34] <Mez> tseng: I think we can probably get this to work, it's just a PITA to get it to that point
[04:35] <tseng> ok
[04:35] <tseng> someone can insert it by hand
[04:35] <tseng> the dummy source, that is
[04:35] <tseng> and then do a normal backport
[04:35] <tseng> I think
[04:36] <chillywilly> Project too
[04:36] <chillywilly> what a useless tool...people just simply do not work this way
[04:37] <chillywilly> I am not a computer I don't do everything sequentially ;)
[04:37] <chillywilly> I also cannot predict the future
[04:38] <tamir> Does some one have freezing rhythembox problems?
[04:39] <tamir> I think it is something wrong with the package
[04:42] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:47] <Mez> tseng: brandon right?
[04:47] <tseng> yes
[04:48] <tseng> whats up?
[04:51] <Mez> just checking so I knew I was CC:ing the right person
[04:57] <bddebian> ogra: Ah, I thought I scared you away when I joined.. ;-)
[04:58] <ogra> bddebian, you did... but i recreated very fast today :P
[04:58] <bddebian> Heh
[04:58] <ogra> :)
[05:01] <siretart> release candidate 1 finished..
[05:03] <tseng> of revu2?
[05:04] <siretart> tseng: hehe, of my thesis ;)
[05:04] <tseng> oh.
[05:04] <siretart> but this means, I will soon have time to work on reu2
[05:04] <siretart> revu2
[05:05] <bddebian> Heh
[05:05] <tseng> i figured out why cover art fetching in muine is broken (and fixed it)
[05:05] <tseng> rock on.
[05:06] <bddebian> tseng++
[05:12] <bddebian> Heya majic
[05:12] <majic> hello bddebian
[05:13] <majic> how is the universe today?
[05:14] <bddebian> How would I know? :-)
[05:14] <terrex> i'm fine, thx
[05:14] <terrex> lol
[05:14] <majic> I suppose I need to get one of those fancy gpg key things...
[05:15] <bddebian> majic: If you want to become an MOTU, yes :-)
[05:16] <majic> I'm researching it. I never messed with gnupg before.
[05:23] <majic> so once I create a key, somebody will have to sign it so that it can become part of the strongly connected set?
[05:23] <bddebian> majic: Yes, basically
[05:58] <dholbach> hellas :)
[05:58] <dholbach> could somebody remove "danielholbach" from malone motu group and add "dh" instead? thanks :)
[05:59] <mbreit> hi dholbach... and thanks for the vote...
[05:59] <dholbach> mbreit: de rien :)
[06:01] <ogra> dholbach, any objection to do that yourself ?
[06:01] <ogra> i made all memebers admins
[06:02] <dholbach> ogra: danielholbach is a random crappy account
[06:02] <dholbach> ogra: dh is MY account
[06:02] <dholbach> :)
[06:02] <dholbach> that's my major objection which brought me here in the first place :-p
[06:03] <ogra> heh... ok, so if we want to see you here, we'll change your launchpad login in the future... great info ;)
[06:03] <dholbach> hahahahah
[06:03] <bddebian> Heya dholbach
[06:03] <dholbach> hey barry
[06:04] <tseng> dholbach!
[06:05] <dholbach> brandon! woohoo! - you're all here :)
[06:05] <tseng> sortof
[06:07] <dholbach> bddebian: super!
[06:09] <ogra> wow
[06:09] <ogra> thats fats
[06:09] <ogra> fast too
[06:09] <dholbach> i'm glad to see that everything's still the same... still REVIEW DAY! and ogra still struggles with his keyboard :-p
[06:09] <bddebian> Well, I didn't say they were right :-)
[06:10] <dholbach> ok, i'll be off cooking, before ogra slaps me too hard
[06:11] <ogra> dholbach, yes, but only because i broke it with my forehead hitting it caused by a gcompris desiase
[06:11] <dholbach> ogra: that's completely understandable
[06:11] <dholbach> ogra: ask herve on the side effects of extensive gcompris debugging
[06:11] <ogra> i fixed it... but python-gnome2-dev was broken.... costs me half a day...
[06:12] <herve> dholbach, 2 aspirins and a rope attached on the ceil
[06:13] <ogra> bddebian, thats a waste of aspirine
[06:36] <herve> hello, by the way
[06:37] <dholbach> :)
[06:38] <bddebian> Hello herve
[06:39] <herve> hello from Paris even :-)
[06:40] <bddebian> herve: Nice
[06:40] <dholbach> you're in paris?
[06:40] <dholbach> cool
[06:40] <dholbach> i'd love to get there once again
[06:42] <herve> Montmartre, Pigalle :-)
[06:42] <herve> a tv series was shot the whole day in front of our office
[06:43] <herve> there were sweet actresses :-)
[06:43] <bddebian> Heh
[07:22] <jeffm> hey guys
[07:22] <jeffm> can i install KDE on Ubuntu with no reprocussions?
[07:24] <dholbach> what's a reprocussion?
[07:25] <jeffm> will everything still work after i install KDE
[07:25] <dholbach> yes
[07:25] <jeffm> ok cool
[07:25] <dholbach> you can remove it afterwards as well (if you shouldn't like it)
[07:25] <jeffm> so its no big deal switching between KDE and GNOME
[07:25] <dholbach> not at all
[07:25] <jeffm> wicked
[07:25] <dholbach> you can choose the session type on the login screen
[07:25] <jeffm> are you on Ubuntu right now?
[07:25] <dholbach> yes
[07:26] <jeffm> whats its best feature??
[07:26] <dholbach> that's a good question, but i think after more than a year i haven't decided yet - maybe somebody else knows a good answer to that :)
[07:27] <jeffm> lol
[07:27] <jeffm> did you switch from micro$oft?
[07:27] <dholbach> i think it's closest to the "just works" ideal and i love it's community
[07:27] <jeffm> k
[07:27] <jeffm> lol
[07:27] <dholbach> that was no joke, i really do :)
[07:28] <jeffm> good
[07:28] <dholbach> so you're going to try ubuntu now?
[07:28] <jeffm> well, on Friday
[07:28] <dholbach> excellent
[07:28] <jeffm> im getting a laptop
[07:28] <jeffm> and im gonna put Ubuntu on it
[07:28] <highvoltage> cool
[07:28] <koke> jeffm: I installed kubuntu-desktop last week and works nice .)
[07:29] <dholbach> super, be sure to tell the mailing list how it all went
[07:29] <jeffm> isnt it in Beta?
[07:29] <dholbach> hoary is released
[07:29] <jeffm> ok
[07:29] <koke> jeffm: so it's breezy and I'm using it everyday :)
[07:29] <jeffm> whats the diff, besides KDE?
[07:29] <dholbach> breezy is still a bit bumpy and if you don't know where to look for errors it's a bit hard
[07:29] <dholbach> better stick to hoary still
[07:30] <koke> sure, hoary is nice enough :)
[07:30] <dholbach> if you install ubuntu, you can load the kubuntu-desktop package from the net (via synaptic) and be off just fine
[07:30] <jeffm> nice
[07:30] <koke> and there'snot much time left untils breezy becomes stable too
[07:30] <jeffm> i cant wait
[07:31] <jeffm> :D
[07:31] <dholbach> or install kubuntu hoary and load the ubuntu-desktop package (that's vice versa)
[07:31] <jeffm> yeah
[07:31] <koke> the result should be the same
[07:31] <dholbach> koke: 9 weeks or something
[07:31] <jeffm> ok, is the Ubuntu setup complicated?
[07:31] <dholbach> not at all
[07:31] <dholbach> should be pretty straight forward
[07:32] <dholbach> if you know partitioning from the windows world a bit, you shouldnt be afraid
[07:32] <dholbach> but there are setup guides out there
[07:33] <jeffm> ok nice
[09:06] <bddebian> ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[09:06] <bddebian> Everybody is busy working right? :)
[09:07] <chillywilly> yea right
[09:07] <chillywilly> need foof
[09:07] <chillywilly> food too
[09:08] <chillywilly> bye
[09:08] <bddebian> chillywilly!!!!
[09:34] <chillywilly> bddebian!
[09:34] <bddebian> chillywilly: You an MOTU yet? ;-)
[09:35] <chillywilly> no
[09:35] <chillywilly> u?
[09:40] <chillywilly> bddebian: you'll always be master of my universe ;)
[09:41] <tseng> uh
[09:42] <chillywilly> huh?
[09:43] <bddebian> chillywilly: ;-)
[09:43] <bddebian> chillywilly: tseng doesn't like me
[09:43] <chillywilly> tseng sucks then ;)
[09:43] <bddebian> Bah
[09:44] <Amaranth> err, reflex
[09:44] <Amaranth> ;)
[09:44] <Burgundavia> bddebian, if you don't dwell on it, tseng won
[09:44] <Burgundavia> t either
[09:44] <bddebian> Amaranth: What did I do?
[09:44] <Amaranth> i dunno
[09:44] <Amaranth> just felt like the right thing to do for some reason :D
[09:44] <chillywilly> *thwap*
[09:45] <tseng> bddebian: ive told you already
[09:45] <tseng> bddebian: i dont like you when you are running at the mouth and not contributing anything
[09:45] <tseng> im much more cooperative when the scale tips the other way
[09:45] <Riddell> ogra: I'm alowed to upload new stuff to universe yes?
[09:45] <tseng> stop telling everyone how I hate you, its more "annoyed"
[09:45] <ogra> Riddell, you ask *me* ?
[09:46] <ogra> Riddell, you were MOTU before me :)
[09:46] <tseng> mdz told me yes
[09:46] <Burgundavia> Riddell, for the record, I heard mdz say that new universe stuff is fine with him
[09:46] <Riddell> ogra: just checking status of version freeze
[09:46] <Riddell> Burgundavia: groovy
[09:46] <ogra> Riddell, we talked about it... i trust you wrt UVF
[09:46] <chillywilly> tseng: everyone has to start somewhere and bddebian is trying from what I see
[09:46] <Riddell> groovy groovy
[09:46] <ogra> Riddell, so just go ahead
[09:46] <chillywilly> more than I can say for myself :)
[09:49] <bddebian> chillywilly: It's not good enough :-)
[09:49] <chillywilly> so what, you'll get better
[09:49] <chillywilly> what is this? #debian-devel? ;)
[09:50] <bddebian> Doh... Ouch :-)
[09:50] <tseng> dude, this doesnt involve you
[09:50] <chillywilly> and?
[09:50] <tseng> he's been on about a half dozen times about how i "hate him"
[09:50] <tseng> its tiring
[09:51] <chillywilly> I thought he was just being his normal goofy joking self
[09:52] <Burgundavia> ogra, that is a nasty version number
[09:52] <ogra> hehee
[09:52] <ogra> its a ridiculous patch, that deserves a ridiculous version number :)
[09:58] <ogra> i'll sort it with pitti... dont worry... i dont expect i'll get it through without changes ;) but i need the package installable to move on for now
[10:00] <ogra> i can always unapply the patch (its just dpatched) and even decide we move childsplay to main instead of gcompris
[10:00] <Burgundavia> I have always found gcompris to be very crashy
[10:00] <ogra> its rocksolid here
[10:01] <Burgundavia> ok
[10:01] <ogra> at least the little alien i made of it :)
[10:01] <ogra> <-- never used gcompris before edubuntu
[10:05] <tseng> alien :/
[10:05] <tseng> im using that on scotty from mandrake
[10:05] <tseng> debian dropped it years ago
[10:06] <ogra> i didnt mean the tool :)
[10:06] <tseng> oh
[10:06] <ogra> i wouldnt upload alienized packages... even if alien would create source packages
[10:06] <tseng> sure
[10:12] <bddebian> tseng: So if you think I'm not doing enough, tell me what I should be doing :)
[10:13] <tseng> bddebian: start by not randomly going on with "tseng hates me"
[10:13] <tseng> i thought we were both past that
[10:13] <bddebian> :-) Sorry, I have esteem problems :-)
[10:51] <ajmitch> morning
[10:52] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[11:05] <bddebian> ajmitch: Since tseng won't tell me, will you tell me what I should focus on? :)
[11:05] <tseng> unmet deps.
[11:05] <bddebian> Stick to UnmetDeps?
[11:06] <bddebian> Ohh heh
[11:06] <tseng> theres lots!
[11:06] <bddebian> No kidding
[11:06] <ajmitch> bddebian: stop being so paranoid
[11:06] <bddebian> ajmitch: Paranoid about what?
[11:06] <bddebian> Heya \sh
[11:06] <ajmitch> people hating you, not talking to you, etc
[11:06] <\sh> evening
[11:06] <bddebian> \sh: You get my meeting minutes? Not specific enough?
[11:06] <ajmitch> hello \sh
[11:06] <mbreit> hi \sh
[11:07] <\sh> bddebian: I will wrap the rest ,) your "STEPHAN" was noted *lol*
[11:07] <\sh> hey mbreit
[11:07] <bddebian> OK, thx
[11:07] <mbreit> tseng: and there are yet many debdiffs on the wiki page, but it seems that no motu is reviewing them
[11:07] <bddebian> mbreit: Glad you said that :)
[11:08] <ajmitch> sigh, elmo is around but boa-constructor isn't ready to be synced
[11:08] <tseng> mbreit: sorry. there are more projects than motus
[11:08] <dholbach> mbreit: is uploading that stuff to REVU to much overhead?
[11:08] <mbreit> dholbach: you told me not to upload it to revu? (or was it siretart?)
[11:08] <tseng> mbreit: hopefully bddebian will go for his upload rights soon and can go straight to the top.
[11:09] <bddebian> To be honest, I'm not sure I'm ready. I feel like there is a lot I don't know yet.
[11:09] <Mez> tseng: straight to the top?
[11:09] <mbreit> tseng: sorry, i think you misunderstood me... i did not want to critizise me
[11:09] <Mez> tseng: I think I'm still waiting for my upload rights
[11:10] <\sh> Mez: me as well for main....but don't hesitate :)
[11:10] <\sh> ask ivoks..when he's back
[11:10] <mbreit> ahm, i did not want to critizise _you_ of cause
[11:10] <Mez> \sh - hesitate ?
[11:11] <\sh> Mez: ivoks went crazy ,-)
[11:11] <Mez> ??
[11:12] <\sh> Mez: to wait for elmo :)
[11:12] <mbreit> well, i am a bit confused now... should simple changes like the ones on the unmet deps page be uploaded to revu or not?
[11:12] <Mez> how did he go crazy?
[11:13] <Mez> mbreit: depends on how big the change is and whether you can get someone to review a debdiff
[11:13] <bddebian> mbreit: If they aren't very big no
[11:13] <\sh> Mez: he just started to try to upload every day ;)
[11:14] <bddebian> mbreit: In fact, I was told, they shouldn't really go on REVU at all because they aren't "new".
[11:14] <Mez> \sh lmao
[11:14] <Mez> \sh I've been trying now and then
[11:15] <mbreit> okay, my noteedit debdiff could be a candidate for revu, but the rest?
[11:15] <mbreit> the most patches are simple rebuild-for-unmet-deps-patches...
[11:16] <\sh> sorry when I'm delayed with my answers ...I'm hanging clothes
[11:17] <mbreit> \sh: you wanted to review my qcad patch... you promised to do that after the cc meeting ;) i do not want to annoy you, just to remind you.. if you have some time left....
[11:17] <\sh> mbreit: just a moment :)
[11:17] <bddebian> mbreit: If I understood ajmitch correctly the other night, if all it needs is a rebuild with no changes, just make a note on the wiki. Doesn't even need a changelog entry
[11:17] <\sh> let me finish my underwear :)
[11:17] <bddebian> uhm
[11:18] <mbreit> ah, btw: i looked at the breezy release schedule today...
[11:18] <mbreit> and i have a question about that:
[11:18] <tseng> shoot
[11:19] <tseng> you know, no one probably needs to post diff's for rebuilds
[11:19] <tseng> its just as easy for me to do the changelog myself
[11:19] <mbreit> tseng: some motu told me to do so ;)
[11:19] <tseng> hm
[11:19] <tseng> arent we organized
[11:19] <mbreit> can new packages come into universe after the feature freeze?
[11:19] <bddebian> no
[11:20] <tseng> yes
[11:20] <dholbach> yes
[11:20] <mbreit> okay, thanks
[11:20] <bddebian> I meant NO to
arent we organized
[11:20] <Mez> mbreit: if they're just rebuilds - then poke a MOTU
[11:20] <Mez> if you have to change something - and the debdiff is small, poke a MOTU
[11:20] <tseng> can someone tell me what things are simple rebuilds?
[11:21] <Mez> if it's BIG(or not small)
[11:21] <Mez> then REVU is yours
[11:21] <tseng> i can do a few
[11:21] <Mez> tseng: wish I knew :D
[11:21] <Mez> for example, http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~mez/debdiff/webmin-optional.diff would be a "Poke a MOTU" candidate
[11:21] <mbreit> okay, then could someone please rebuild gltron, qsynth and qjackctl? they all worked well after i rebuilded them in pbuilder
[11:22] <tseng> i will
[11:22] <bddebian> I had a few on the wiki that are simple changes/rebuilds
[11:22] <mbreit> tagtool and skribe also go to that list..
[11:22] <ajmitch> we try & get to them when we have time
[11:22] <mbreit> tagtool and skribe are seth's to i can't garantee that
[11:23] <tseng> i am doing the 3
[11:23] <mbreit> tseng: thanks!
[11:23] <bddebian> xdiskusage and xbsql were just rebuilds I think
[11:23] <tseng> mbreit: please verify them as they build
[11:24] <\sh> mbreit: which archs u have to test?
[11:24] <mbreit> i tested all on amd64
[11:24] <mbreit> but i could also test on x86, but not today, because i need a new chroot for that
[11:25] <mbreit> tseng: gltron, qsynth and qjackctl are verified by me a few days ago, should i do that again?
[11:25] <tseng> no i mean
[11:25] <tseng> after the build by ubuntu
[11:25] <tseng> verify that they are working and mark them off the list or something
[11:26] <mbreit> tseng: okay, i will do tha
[11:26] <mbreit> t
[11:26] <tseng> ive uploaded those three, are there more you can say are good for sure?
[11:27] <\sh> mbreit: where is your qcad diff?
[11:27] <tseng> http://ubuntu.mobr.de/sources/debdiffs/qcad_2.0.4.0-1-2ubuntu1.debdiff
[11:27] <mbreit> \sh, http://ubuntu.mobr.de/sources/debdiffs/qcad_2.0.4.0-1-2ubuntu1.debdiff
[11:27] <bddebian> tseng: xdiskusage, xbsql
[11:27] <bddebian> On x86 anyhow
[11:28] <mbreit> so http://ubuntu.mobr.de/sources/debdiffs/noteedit_2.7.1-2ubuntu1.debdiff is a candidate for revu?
[11:28] <tseng> um
[11:28] <tseng> ok.
[11:29] <mbreit> it is not as much as it seems to be...
[11:29] <mbreit> most of that patch is a file from kde svn repository
[11:30] <tseng> bddebian: done, please verify when they hit the archive
[11:30] <bddebian> tseng: OK, thx
[11:31] <mbreit> tseng: oh, thanks for actually mentioning me in the changelog ;)
[11:31] <tseng> mbreit: thanks for testing.
[11:32] <mbreit> then i could add them to my done list? ;)))
[11:32] <tseng> mbreit: its nice to have a documented record of what people do, when you might want to join motu
[11:32] <tseng> we can point at it
[11:32] <tseng> mbreit: after they build and you verify it
[11:32] <mbreit> cool
[11:32] <tseng> rock on :)
[11:33] <tseng> you will have a few good things on your list.
[11:34] <bddebian> Gah, where's the buildlogs again? :-(
[11:34] <dholbach> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html
[11:34] <tseng> people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/
[11:34] <Burgundavia> http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/buildlogs/
[11:34] <tseng> buh
[11:34] <bddebian> Sheesh, thx
[11:34] <bddebian> Yeah we're organized Three MOTUs, three different answers.. ;-P
[11:35] <Mez> hmmles: logjams deps have been fixed
[11:35] <tseng> at least they are all right.
[11:35] <mbreit> tseng: so it's okay if i add these packages to my done list? or should i put your credit there?
[11:35] <Burgundavia> bddebian, for the record, I am not a MOTU
[11:35] <tseng> mbreit: no, put *your* credit
[11:35] <mbreit> cool, thanks
[11:35] <tseng> mbreit: i dont have to prove anything to anyone :P
[11:36] <\sh> mbreit: patched qcad source now...I'm test building now
[11:36] <bddebian> Burgundavia: Oh,sorry
[11:36] <Burgundavia> bddebian, np
[11:36] <mbreit> tseng: well, i do ;) perhaps i should do something for my self-esteem...
[11:36] <tseng> heh.
[11:37] <tseng> hopefully you will prove yourself to TB someday
[11:37] <mbreit> \sh: cool...
[11:37] <mbreit> tb?
[11:37] <tseng> tech board approves new MOTUs
[11:37] <\sh> technical board
[11:37] <\sh> but first he has to be a member, i think
[11:38] <mbreit> when should i try to become a member? i mean, i just startet with this...
[11:38] <\sh> mbreit: write a wiki page with everything u did for ubuntu
[11:38] <\sh> document your work
[11:40] <mbreit> \sh: well, i only did this motu work...
[11:40] <mbreit> before that, i tried to help out the backport project on amd64...
[11:40] <\sh> mbreit: yes..document it
[11:40] <Mez> mbreit, when was that
[11:41] <bddebian> mbreit: Any work is help :-)
[11:41] <mbreit> Mez: i wrote john at least 3 emails, not just one answer...
[11:41] <Mez> mbreit: not just one answer .... ?
[11:42] <Mez> just wondering,cause only peron I know who's worke don backports for amd64 = Mike
[11:42] <mbreit> everything i heard from him was a short answer in the forums..
[11:42] <mbreit> and there he just said that most of the work will be done automatically now...
[11:42] <bddebian> Well I'm gonna head home. Hopefully I can get some work done there. Later gang
[11:43] <mbreit> i did a lot of backports... a complete set of mono 1.1.8 with gtk# and so on for amd64 hoary... and a lot of other things...
[11:43] <Mez> mbreit: yes it will
[11:44] <mbreit> Mez: i know... but he could at least answer my questions... that was very frustrating for me
[11:44] <Mez> are you on the new mailing list?
[11:45] <mbreit> no, that was before there was a mailing list... i know there was some google group, but i never postet there
[11:47] <ajmitch> gah, demo at work has been moved up 3 hours... bad things
[11:47] <Mez> mbreit, well, the google group would have been a good place
[11:47] <Mez> ajmitch, did your stuff get put into backport
[11:48] <mbreit> Mez: after trying to contact john directly, i tried it in the forum.. but no luck as well, then i gave up...
[11:49] <Mez> mbreit: how long ago was this
[11:49] <\sh> any launchpad gurus online?
[11:49] <\sh> Mez needs to be as well admin for motu team on LP
[11:49] <mbreit> Mez: june?
[11:49] <dholbach> ogra: ^ ^ how is the "new" team called?
[11:50] <ogra> dholbach, no idea, i guess sabdfl will mail us after he created it
[11:51] <dholbach> ok
[11:51] <dholbach> thank you
[11:51] <ajmitch> Mez: what packages?
[11:51] <dholbach> i'm doing some reviews - could somebody look at the 1-review-to-upload packages on REVU? :)
[11:52] <Mez> ajmitch, wha?
[11:54] <ajmitch> Mez: you asked if I got my stuff into backports
[11:54] <Mez> oh, I must hit wrong key
[11:55] <ajmitch> ok :)
[11:55] <ajmitch> since I didn't recall requesting any backports
[11:55] <mbreit> Mez: could you (backport team) use another amd64 backporter?
[11:55] <Mez> ajmitch - was talking to mbreit
[11:55] <Mez> mbreit, not really now everythings moved to the buildds
[11:55] <Mez> plus, Mike does a great job anyways
[11:55] <ajmitch> although it'd be *great* to have the latest upstream inkscape in hoary ;)
[11:56] <mbreit> Mez: glad to hear that ;)
[11:56] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, we need it in breezy first
[11:56] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: I know
[11:56] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, I need help convincing mdz
[11:56] <Mez> mbreit, 0.41 ?
[11:56] <ajmitch> and I hope to see it there soon
[11:56] <mbreit> Mez: you mean ajmitch...
[11:56] <Mez> yes
[11:57] <Mez> ajmitch, 0.41 ?
[11:57] <Mez> see..
[11:57] <Mez> yuou talk next to each other
[11:57] <\sh> ok...
[11:57] <ajmitch> 0.42
[11:57] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, I have a half finished email explaining why it is a good thing
[11:57] <\sh> mbreit: qcad is just building :(
[11:57] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: it's a great thing, not just a good thing
[11:57] <mbreit> btw: someone should update gaim-guifications to the new upstream release... there are a lot of fixed bugs
[11:57] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, mdz freaked at the idea of a big release
[11:57] <\sh> mbreit: tomorrow morning it should be finished...so it looks good now...and if it builds niceley I will upload the patch ..hope your email address is whitelisted
[11:57] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: I can understand that
[11:58] <mbreit> \sh: i know... i takes a bit in pbuilder.. because of this network connections from uic...
[11:58] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: we're a few weeks past UVF, and they have to support it for 18 months
[11:58] <\sh> mbreit: i don't really care about uic :) kdebase takes longer ;)
[11:58] <mbreit> *g*
[11:58] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, yes
[11:59] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, the inkscape people already use Ubuntu
[11:59] <ajmitch> and the notice of 0.42.1 'real soon now' due to serious bugs isn't reassuring
[11:59] <mbreit> \sh: about my email address is whitelisted: i don't know...
[11:59] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, seriously?
[12:00] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: from a distro point of view :)
[12:00] <Burgundavia> yes
[12:00] <Burgundavia> just saw that
[12:00] <\sh> mbreit: please have a look in wiki.ubuntu.com/Uploads and use this address to send your email with a nice statement to elmo
[12:00] <mbreit> \sh: i will do that
[12:00] <Burgundavia> the sheer number of features, it doesn't surprise me
[12:01] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: I think mdz would worry about time it would take the release to stablilise
[12:02] <ajmitch> and I know the inkscape developers wouldn't want to wait another 8 months to get 0.42 or newer into a stable release
[12:02] <mbreit> \sh: elmo is at [email protected]?
[12:02] <dholbach> mbreit: elmo or whoever does the job at the moment :)
[12:02] <dholbach> it's connected to the purpose
[12:02] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, I will prod them about our Feature Freeze
[12:02] <mbreit> okay, then i should just send an email "please add my address.... etc"?
[12:03] <\sh> yes
[12:03] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, you use screem?
[12:03] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: nope, emacs :)
[12:03] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, do you know anyone that uses screem on Hoary?
[12:03] <\sh> ok...off to bed
[12:03] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: my flatmate is quite into design, and likes inkscape, which is why I would like to see 0.42.1 in
[12:03] <mbreit> " You must use a GPG key that is known to our archive scripts - if in doubt, mail [email protected]"
[12:03] <ajmitch> nope
[12:03] <mbreit> do i have to do that fist?
[12:04] <mbreit> ... first?
[12:04] <\sh> mbreit: no
[12:04] <dholbach> \sh: night stephan
[12:04] <mbreit> \sh: good night and thanks!
[12:04] <dholbach> mbreit: you have a gpg key already?
[12:04] <\sh> dholbach: u will end up like me...broken relationship, sleepless nights, terrible eyes...man..get some rest and sleep :)
[12:05] <dholbach> \sh: you should have seen me during hoary :)
[12:05] <mbreit> dholbach: yes... i always had one...
[12:05] <dholbach> \sh: i have a couple of relationships - that keeps young :-p
[12:05] <\sh> oh qcad just finished to build
[12:05] <ajmitch> dholbach: well we saw you after hoary ;)
[12:05] <dholbach> mbreit: super, just sign it and you're set
[12:05] <\sh> dholbach: a couple? wow...wanna share? ,-)
[12:05] <mbreit> okay
[12:05] <dholbach> \sh: hahahaha :)
[12:06] <\sh> anyway my girl is back....so I need to get my hands on her...but she has also a lot to do for the weltjugendtag
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[03:36] <infinity> lamont : Ignore my ppc64 stuff, BTW. After some digging, it seems it was fixed in a different way in 2.6.12, but since we don't have a "real" 2.6.12 on any machines (davis is running a pre-release without the fixes), I assumed it was broken. Yay.
[03:39] <lamont-away> woot
[03:39] <lamont-away> reminds me, I need to see how the builds went
[03:40] <infinity> This also means that, as soon as elmo is awake again, I'm going to push him to get shiny new kernels on davis and at least one buildd, with an eye to having ppc64 kernels on all the buildds within the week.
[03:40] <infinity> \o/
[05:48] <infinity> lamont : My amd64 machine appears ot love the -6.7 build you had on corcordia.
[05:49] <infinity> concordia, too.
[05:49] <lamont> thanks.
[05:49] <infinity> Likes it better than hoary's kernel, I'd say.
[05:49] <lamont> ia64 hung after finding the ide drive. no remote reset ability, so I'll have to finish that test up in the morning
[05:49] <infinity> And powernowd now works, which is nice.
[05:50] <infinity> If there's any hope of my laptop liking the i386 kernels, I'll be i heaven.
[05:50] <infinity> in heaven, too.
[05:50] <infinity> Right now, I can't suspend to ram OR disk. My laptop's thpethul.
[05:50] <infinity> Thank god it's really fast, and boots faster than most people can resume.
[06:01] <lamont> infinity: i386 build is now working on the last linux-image deb, so it should be done semi-soon.. same directory on concordia
[06:28] <fabbione> morning guys
[06:29] <fabbione> what did we break today?
[06:29] <fabbione> it's a wonderful rainy day in dk to break stuff :)
[06:30] <infinity> -6.7 seems to like my laptop at least as well as -6.6 did..
[06:32] <infinity> suspend/resume is still broken, but it was before, so that's not big deal.
[06:32] <infinity> I'll irritate mjg59 until he fixes it.
[06:36] <fabbione> did you already upload 6.7?
[07:01] <lamont> fabbione: no. and I have one ia64 test to do in the morning that may change what's there
[07:01] <desrt> fabbione; http://manic.desrt.ca/cluster/
[07:01] <lamont> and no, I haven't actually committed what I just built on davis/concordia/halley
[07:01] <desrt> fabbione; gorecki is 2nd from the right when viewed from the front. copacetic is far left :)
[07:02] <lamont> I added zul's stuff, and ia64 doesn't boot for me... Sadly, no remot console, so I'll finish that up in the morning, and then we're good
[07:02] <fabbione> lamont: ok :) no rush.. i was just curious
[07:02] <lamont> good news was no abi change
[07:02] <fabbione> desrt: eheh looking :)
[07:03] <fabbione> lamont: what did zul add?
[07:03] <fabbione> are you sure it didn't pull in again the PRINTK thingy?
[07:04] <desrt> fabbione; and a question -- do you know of any way to get a per-filesystem dirty buffer count out of the kernel?
[07:04] <fabbione> desrt: hmm no...
[07:04] <lamont> fabbione: let me spew change log at you
[07:04] <fabbione> lamont: sure
[07:06] <fabbione> hmmm
[07:07] <fabbione> drivers-ide-disk_fixe_lba_handling. ide-generica-all drivers-ide-pci-generic_allow_capture_unsuported.dpatch
[07:07] <fabbione> full of typos...
[07:08] <fabbione> but these patches look rather intrusive
[07:11] <lamont> fabbione: if you want to upload what's currently committed to the preX,7 branch, I'm good with that...
[07:12] <lamont> I'll even do the upload, if you tell me to...
[07:12] <lamont> fabbione: but I would _dearly_ love it if you could remember how you fixed librsvg2/sparc sometime soon...
[07:14] <fabbione> lamont: please upload 6.7 with what is committed now to get ia64 booting again
[07:14] <lamont> fabbione: roger
[07:14] <fabbione> i don't like that many patches going in
[07:14] <fabbione> specially the IDE one from Fedora
[07:15] <fabbione> because Alan did push it, but i haven't see it mainline yet
[07:16] <fabbione> desrt: nice toys :)
[07:16] <fabbione> send me one :P
[07:16] <desrt> the best i can do is restore your shell account :P
[07:16] <lamont> fabbione: you want to do the rest of the baz dance, or shall I do it in several hours when I'm awake?
[07:16] <fabbione> desrt: the one i have access to is faster :P
[07:17] <desrt> jerk :P
[07:17] <desrt> how fast?
[07:17] <fabbione> lamont: i will be probably painting later
[07:17] <lamont> ok.
[07:17] <fabbione> lamont: i am only waiting for everybody to wake up before starting the works outside
[07:17] <fabbione> lamont: baz dance is 3 steps...
[07:17] <fabbione> merge pre into mainline
[07:17] <fabbione> branch mainline to tag
[07:17] <fabbione> branch mainline to new pre
[07:18] <lamont> ok, ok, ok. doing it now
[07:18] <fabbione> after that there is a neat startnewrelease target in debian/rules
[07:18] <lamont> note that baz hurts my bandwidth
[07:18] <fabbione> that will do most of the stuff to open 6.8
[07:18] <fabbione> oh if that's the problem i can do it
[07:19] <lamont> if you could, I'd owe you yet another beer
[07:19] <fabbione> lamont: ok i will do it
[07:20] <fabbione> lamont: do you also want me to upload?
[07:20] <lamont> sure
[07:20] <lamont> hrmpf. not sure if my commit changing the release to 'breezy' took...
[07:20] <lamont> of you're not messing with it, I'll clean that up on preX,7
[07:20] <fabbione> lamont: no problem. i am doing it
[07:20] <lamont> ok. /me steps back and lets fabbione drive
[07:27] <lamont> h
[07:27] <lamont> g'night then
[07:32] <fabbione> good night lamont
[08:00] <fabbione> lamont-away: 6.7 is up
[08:00] <fabbione> and i am off
[02:32] <zul> hey
[03:09] <zul> hmm...seems to be just me in my group today
[03:11] <chmj> hey chuck
[03:21] <zul> hey chmj
[05:32] <lamont> hrm.. is it acpi=no, or 'noacpi'
[05:44] <zul> just a sec ill check
[05:46] <zul> pci=noacpi
[05:46] <zul> doh..
[05:47] <zul> acpi=off to disable ACPI
[07:14] <fabbione> hey lamont
[07:15] <lamont> -6.7 hangs. feh
[07:16] <fabbione> you joking right?
[07:16] <fabbione> did you test on the latest code?
[07:16] <fabbione> didn't.. even
[07:16] <lamont> I thought I had
[07:17] <lamont> that was going to be this morning's test.
[07:17] <lamont> -6.7 identifies the ide devices, and then never prints the disk model name
[07:17] <fabbione> bad initrd?
[07:18] <lamont> OTOH, PRINTK_TIME is known to be fatal.
[07:18] <lamont> could be initrd, but I don't think so...
[07:18] <jbailey> fabbione: Aren't you on holidays?
[07:18] <lamont> config diff shows ACPI_HOTKEY being new, and some USB/SQUASHFS changes
[07:18] <fabbione> jbailey: yes i am.. waiting for the shower to be free :)
[07:19] <fabbione> lamont: compare the 2 initrd module list
[07:34] <fabbione> later fellas
[07:35] <zul> toodles
[07:35] <zul> so it might not be my patch that messed up ia64?
[07:35] <zul> that would be ironic
[07:37] <lamont> zul: well, there _were_ other issues, too... :-)
[07:38] <zul> still :)
[07:40] <zul> ill fix those tonight then
[07:50] <lamont> hrm... reading changelog... wonder if I can get away with just dropping external-gloal-acpi_update-fixups
[07:51] <zul> just for ia64 right?
[07:52] <lamont> just for testing
[07:52] <zul> ah..i would think so
[07:54] <lamont> mjg59: then you have an even newer acpi cluster for me to play with?
[07:54] <lamont> 11 MB of baz diff... score!
[07:56] <lamont> and 10MB after stripping the {arch} cruft
[08:03] <lamont> zul: lets kick the content of your patches around on the mailing list or something before they go in as well, mk?
[08:04] <zul> mk
[09:39] <zul> mjg59: /proc/acpi/button is back in 2.6.13
[09:49] <lamont> hrmpf. acpi is tentatively acquitted
[10:02] <zul> going home
[10:51] <lamont> ipv6: value -6917529019037819368 out of IMM22 range
[10:51] <lamont> hehehe
[11:03] <mdz> lamont: l-r-m seems to be unhappy on ia64; is that normal?
[11:05] <lamont> dunno yet.... still fighting with the kernel on ia64
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2005-08-09-#ubuntu-artwork
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[11:46] <Amaranth> can someone relay a message to andyfitz for me?
[11:46] <Amaranth> if you see him
[11:46] <Amaranth> smeg loads the wrong icon for xchat, most likely due to a bad index.theme file
[11:46] <Amaranth> ^ that's the message\
[03:07] <mpathy> Hi there ;)
[03:07] <mpathy> I hope not to misuse the channel but.. :)
[03:09] <mpathy> First, i got rid of all Windows Installations at home, my laptop runs also with Ubuntu :) Only one problem, I dont get my external monitor to work.. Somebody knows sth. about Xinerama? I have a ATI Radeon 7500 Mobility
[03:09] <mpathy> ogra: do you have a minute? ;)
[03:09] <ogra> mpathy, ask daniels in #ubuntu
[03:10] <mpathy> okay thx
[03:11] <mpathy> he isnt there .(
[03:12] <ogra> then try #ubuntu-devel, but beware, thats not a support channel :)
[03:12] <mpathy> apropos, this is a little feature request also.. ubuntu (linux in generally) lacks of a graphical configuration tool for Xinerama / support of multiple monits
[03:16] <mpathy> ogra: there was a themeing request for clearlooks.. I would do that.. or is sth. other who do that?
[03:17] <ogra> mpathy, no idea, i didnt know there was work on the theme planned
[03:17] <ogra> mpathy, best to ask volvoguy or AndyFitz if they are around
[03:18] <mpathy> ogra: someone suggested it.. to make some ubuntu color-oriented clearlook themes
[03:18] <ogra> erm, we already use a ubuntu color oriented clearlooks theme since hoary
[03:18] <ogra> as default
[03:19] <mpathy> clearlooks based?! hmm
[03:22] <ogra> indubstrial was dropped after warty
[03:27] <mpathy> okay then i was a "berbleibsel" from my warty... didnt know that
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2005-08-09-#ubuntu-doc
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[12:59] <Burgundavia> rwabel, please do a search of the wiki before creating a page
[12:59] <Burgundavia> rwabel, OperaBrowser already existed
[01:01] <Burgundavia> any idea what this UbuntuMagazine is?
[01:31] <rwabel> Burgundavia: ok, sorry
[01:32] <Burgundavia> rwabel, np
[01:32] <Burgundavia> I just made your page redir to the old one
[01:35] <rwabel> there are some troubleshooting on mine. I gonna add them in the others page
[01:35] <Burgundavia> ok
[01:35] <rwabel> how can I retrieve my old page?
[01:35] <Burgundavia> look at the diff
[01:35] <Burgundavia> click get info
[01:35] <Burgundavia> then view the diff
[01:36] <rwabel> ok, thanks...mhh I don't like that Nicholas completely removed vegastrike...even if you can get it through hoary bp now
[01:37] <Burgundavia> huh?
[01:39] <rwabel> when I diff I only get tha latest entry of OperaBrowser and not Opera (my old page)
[01:39] <Burgundavia> you need to go back to Opera
[01:39] <Burgundavia> just a sec
[01:40] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Opera?action=recall&rev=2
[01:40] <Burgundavia> there is your old versin
[01:41] <rwabel> thanks
[02:39] <Madpilot> hi all
[02:42] <Madpilot> what's the wiki page that lists recent edits & changes? wiki search hasn't helped
[02:43] <Madpilot> nvr mind, I lie. wiki search did find it, on the third choice of keywords...
[03:12] <judax> greets
[08:45] <robitaille> it seems a new version of IPodder is out (2.1); which means I should probably update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IPodder. What do you think Aunt Tilley prefers: instruction on how to install a tar.gz package, or instruction on how to use alien to install a rpm file in Ubuntu?
[08:46] <Burgundavia> hmm
[08:46] <Burgundavia> any debian packages out there?
[08:46] <robitaille> not that I can see. the rpm thing is very recent. before it was only the tar file
[08:47] <Burgundavia> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/03/msg02582.html
[08:47] <Burgundavia> itp
[08:47] <Burgundavia> http://applications.linux.com/print.pl?sid=05/03/01/155208
[08:47] <Burgundavia> talks about aliening it
[08:48] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ParagraphStyleSimpleFrontPage
[08:48] <Burgundavia> kill it?
[08:48] <Madpilot> "This page was a testing area for ideas about a different Style of frontpage. It is probably now out of date."
[08:49] <Burgundavia> hmm
[08:49] <Burgundavia> another thought
[08:49] <Burgundavia> should I create a CategoryDevelopment, for the active development stuff>
[08:49] <Burgundavia> ?
[08:49] <robitaille> maybe I will go the alien route for Ipodder. If it works, it will be simpler than the current instructions on the Wiki.
[08:50] <Madpilot> Is there going to be a CategoryCategory, to categorize all the categories? :p
[08:51] <Burgundavia> should already be one
[08:51] <Madpilot> um, I was kidding... is there really one?
[08:52] <Burgundavia> should be
[08:52] <Madpilot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryCategory <-- Dog, there really is one...
[08:52] <Madpilot> does this wiki have a "what links here" like the MediaWiki does?
[08:52] <Burgundavia> you want to remove all the pages from categorycategory?
[08:53] <Burgundavia> yes, click on the page title
[08:53] <Burgundavia> totally obtuse
[08:53] <Madpilot> OK, thats' why the page titles are active URLs. I'd wondered.
[08:53] <Madpilot> what's totally obtuse?
[08:54] <Burgundavia> the clicking thing
[08:54] <Burgundavia> there is also no link when editing the page to just view the page
[08:54] <Madpilot> isn't that Preview?
[08:55] <Burgundavia> what if I don't want to edit anymore
[08:55] <Madpilot> then Save? I'm not sure what you're talking about, TBH.
[08:55] <Burgundavia> no
[12:15] <jsgotangco> hi
[12:19] <WaterSevenUb> hi
[03:37] <mgalvin> hi all
[08:53] <Burgundavia> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54303
[09:10] <mgalvin> neat idea
[09:11] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:11] <Burgundavia> the person doing it said he would come in here
[09:11] <Burgundavia> and he did, but I guess nobody was about
[09:12] <mgalvin> hmm, we'll have to have him come back we everyone is around
[09:14] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:14] <mgalvin> i'll comment on the forum and ask him to come back and hang around and talk to everyone
[09:16] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:16] <Burgundavia> you know, if I do nothing but help people find the doc team, that would be good
[09:17] <Burgundavia> in other boring news, I am working on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuMainInclusion
[09:23] <mgalvin> we need you to help us write too :)
[09:23] <mgalvin> cool
[09:32] <Burgundavia> bloody hell
[09:32] <Burgundavia> loosing connectins
[09:32] <mgalvin> wireless?
[09:32] <Burgundavia> no
[09:33] <Burgundavia> wired
[09:33] <Burgundavia> very odd, never seen something like this before
[09:33] <Burgundavia> think it might be network-manager
[09:33] <mgalvin> ah
[11:49] <zAo^> lo all
[11:54] <Burgundavia> hello
[11:54] <Burgundavia> zAo^, you the UbuntuMagazine person?
[11:54] <zAo^> nope. What is it anyway? :)
[11:55] <Burgundavia> a magazine for tutorials, promoting ubuntu, etc.
[11:55] <zAo^> no, but I'd like to :)
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2005-08-09-#ubuntu
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[12:00] <Hikaru79> whitefang, http://ubuntuforums.org of course! =D
[12:00] <Hikaru79> And if you meant which specific subforum, its the one called "Ubuntu Backports"
[12:01] <pestilence> mbirkis: i dunno, how about trying to use the card?
[12:01] <fizile> ok restarting my system
[12:01] <mknisely_> I have a wireless card that shows as unsupported in /var/log/syslog when plugged in. I have compiled hostap drivers for it, but don't know how to get past the "unsupported" when I plug it in. (PCMCIA) Can anyone help on this?
[12:01] <fizile> to see how this esound thing works out Hikaru79 ill be back in a few
[12:02] <jazzanova_> how do i install ubuntu 5.04 kernel sources ? i need to compile a module for a webcam.
[12:02] <kemik> !tell mknisely_ about ndiswrapper
[12:02] <mknisely_> Jazzanova: Use synaptic and pick the sources for your installed kernel.
[12:02] <pestilence> jazzanova_: if all you are doing is compiling a module outside the kernel source, "apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`"
[12:03] <mknisely_> Kemik: I don't want to use ndiswrapper. I've compiled real Linux drivers for it... I just need to apply them.
[12:04] <flask-> can someone tell me how to get GNOME 2.10 to run gnome-ssh-askpass upon login, and then register that with the ssh agent?
[12:04] <Raf99> is there a way to force a resolution setting ?
[12:04] <reisio> Raf99: y'mean if it doesn't accept it? :p
[12:04] <puff> question: on startup there's a very long pause (2-3 minutes) where it's trying to set up the network. Any idea a) what might be causing it, b) where I'd look to diagnose it, c) how to fix it?
[12:04] <apokryphos> Raf99: yes. Make it the only one selected in xorg.conf
[12:04] <flask-> Raf: yes, in xorg.conf set DefaultDepth in your Screen section
[12:05] <Raf99> will check right now... thanks
[12:05] <kemik> mknisely_: ah i c..
[12:05] <flask-> Raf: so for example your 24 depth can be defined for a certain resolution, then force it to that dept with DefaultDepth
[12:05] <mknisely_> puff: Have seen that when it is looking for DHCP on a network that doesn't have a DHCP server. Make sure only NICs that will be connected are set to come up on boot.
[12:05] <flask-> someone... gnome-ssh-askpass.. ?
[12:05] <puff> Similar question, on startup I noticed a (shorter) pause where it tried to query NTP, but couldn't get out on the network. Is there any way to get it to defer this at least until after startup is done?
[12:05] <apokryphos> flask-: are you sure that's not just for the *depth*, and not the resolution?
[12:06] <pestilence> puff: comment out this
[12:06] <pestilence> #mapping hotplug
[12:06] <pestilence> # script grep
[12:06] <pestilence> # map eth1
[12:06] <pestilence> in /etc/network/interfaces
[12:06] <flask-> apokryphos: if you use 'Virtual' you can force a certain depth to a certain resolution
[12:06] <fizile> Hikaru79, no change after setting up esound
[12:06] <Jay> ok, i have a problem here
[12:06] <Jay> when my pc goes to sleep
[12:06] <pestilence> puff: but, that will prevent automatic configuration of your network interfaces
[12:06] <puff> mknisely_: Hm, I have wired and wireless, depending on where I am where.
[12:06] <Hikaru79> fizile, did you try: alsamixer
[12:06] <Jay> it has this problem, local root time is wrong. then it doesnt wakeup
[12:06] <Hikaru79> To check volumes?
[12:06] <fizile> the volumes are up
[12:07] <puff> pestilence: Does that imply that I'd have to manually enable them after logging in?
[12:07] <fizile> i use alsamixer in xmms and it plays just fine...
[12:07] <pestilence> puff: yup
[12:07] <apokryphos> flask-: use it how?
[12:07] <puff> pestilence: Hm...
[12:07] <Hikaru79> fizile, alsamixer is a volume-control program.
[12:07] <mknisely_> Puff: Yeah, know how that is. What I've done on my laptop is just not have any interface come up at boot, then I enable the interface I want after I'm done booting.
[12:07] <Hikaru79> Type: alsamixer
[12:07] <Jay> can anyone help me with this problem?
[12:07] <Sputn1k> When i trying to load win partition i get mount: unknown filesystem type 'ntfs', how can i install ntfs mode?
[12:07] <Hikaru79> In a terminal
[12:07] <Hikaru79> If its not found, sudo apt-get install alsamixer
[12:07] <Hikaru79> Then use it to adjust volumes and levels.
[12:07] <Raf99> flask- in xorg.conf the defaultdepth is already set to 24. Is that what i want ?
[12:07] <mebaran151> anyone acutally know what the breezy kernel is
[12:07] <mebaran151> 2.6.12.x?
[12:07] <puff> Ideally I'd like it to leave wireless off if it's docked and turn on otherwise.
[12:07] <mebaran151> I need the x
[12:08] <Hikaru79> Sound and audio is Ubuntu's weakest point by far, so don't be discouraged if you find this frustrating =/
[12:08] <puff> Or even better, if there's a connection on the jack, don't activate wireless.
[12:08] <pestilence> puff: sounds like "whereami" is right for you
[12:08] <flask-> Raf99: now check to see how that Depth is defined further down
[12:08] <reisio> Raf99: what's your monitor's make & model?
[12:08] <Raf99> samsung 950p - which is listed in the conf also.
[12:08] <pestilence> puff: there's a howto in the forums, search for whereami
[12:08] <mknisely_> I have an "unsupported" pcmcia wireless card that I have downloaded, compiled, installed drivers. How do I get Ubuntu/Linux to know that driver is for this card?
[12:08] <puff> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-24994.html
[12:09] <flask-> Raf99: down where it says Subsection Display \Depth 25\ .... make it just say Modes "1024x768" or whatever res you want
[12:09] <Raf99> ( it gave me options for res yesterday, but not sure why.. ps - i'm using a kvm switch )
[12:09] <flask-> Raf99: good luck, i'm outtie
[12:09] <Raf99> :S eek
[12:09] <puff> Is there any way/option to have it preserve my session when I log off?
[12:09] <fizile> Hikaru79, alright alsamixer is running in terminal, it shows my onboard nforce2 sound controller and the volumes are normal from what i can see
[12:09] <apokryphos> Raf99: just sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and where it asks what resolutions to use, only select the one you want
[12:09] <puff> Open web pages, browser windows, terminals, etc?
[12:10] <apokryphos> Raf99: or just delete the ones you don't want from xorg.conf
[12:10] <pestilence> puff: kde or gnome? it's possible in both
[12:10] <fizile> is there a way to change device in terminal?
[12:10] <Raf99> i got it.... , looking at it now
[12:10] <Jay> cpufreq: resume failed to assert current frequency is waht timing core thisks it is... <<< after sleep. and it doesnt resume... help :(
[12:10] <puff> pestilence: Currently I'm on the default, metacity (gnome?)
[12:10] <t3rror> what is the easiest way to make a pptp connection from ubuntu to another linux machine running a pptp server?
[12:10] <pestilence> gnome, ok...when you logout isn't there a "save settings" box?
[12:10] <Raf99> there's more than one subsection display though. depths are diff. but they all list several display resolutions
[12:11] <t3rror> is there a gtk program that allows for vpn connectinos>
[12:11] <Jay> can someone help??
[12:11] <puff> metacity/gnome seems a little laggy/jerky at times (this is a ridiculously powerful machine for a laptop, 2GB, 2.3Mhz Pentium M).
[12:11] <apokryphos> Raf99: yes, they're the ones for the different depths. Delete the resolutions you don't want
[12:11] <reisio> Raf99: this an LCD?
[12:11] <Raf99> no reisio.
[12:11] <apokryphos> Raf99: the dpkg-reconfigure might just be easier for you...
[12:11] <Jay> cpufreq: resume failed to assert current frequency is waht timing core thisks it is... <<< after sleep. and it doesnt resume... help me someone :(
[12:11] <puff> pestilence: ah-hah... somehow I missed that before.
[12:11] <Raf99> apokryphos - delete from all multiple listings ?
[12:11] <puff> pestilence: thanks.
[12:11] <apokryphos> Raf99: yes
[12:11] <pestilence> puff: perhaps you should check that dma is enabled on your hard drive
[12:12] <Raf99> k...
[12:12] <pestilence> puff: sudo hdparm /dev/hda
[12:12] <puff> How do I check on dma?
[12:12] <puff> Okay.
[12:12] <Jay> pestilence: cpufreq: resume failed to assert current frequency is waht timing core thisks it is... can you help me out?
[12:12] <puff> /dev/hda: No such file or directory
[12:12] <pestilence> Jay: i think the two events are unrelated
[12:12] <pestilence> Jay: my laptop says that too, but resumes just fine
[12:13] <puff> /dev/hda: No such file or directory
[12:13] <Jay> my doesnt, anyway i can go to command or something
[12:13] <pestilence> puff: what is your hard drive :)
[12:13] <mknisely_> t3rror: Little like, isn't there a steet called 1st. What's the VPN endpoint?
[12:13] <Raf99> guessin i need root to edit this file.. :S
[12:13] <pestilence> puff: maybe /dev/sda
[12:13] <apokryphos> Raf99: of course
[12:13] <flugh> any easy way to dump all my thunderbird mail into an imap server? is 'formail' something like that?
[12:13] <pestilence> puff: type "df" to find out
[12:13] <t3rror> the vpn endpoint is my router on a static ip dsl connectino
[12:13] <Sputn1k> When i trying to load win partition i get mount: unknown filesystem type 'ntfs', how can i install ntfs module? Help me please... :/
[12:14] <Jay> pestilence": but then it says this i have ppc
[12:14] <flugh> Sputn1k, that's addressed at http://ubuntuguide.org near the top. check it out
[12:14] <puff> Yeah, /dev and /dev/sda3.
[12:14] <t3rror> i can ssh into the router from here, but i am just trying to get a vpn client running on ubuntu from work so i can control my machines at home
[12:14] <flugh> Sputn1k, good links and all. even i got it right the first time with that :)
[12:14] <pestilence> puff: then hdparm /dev/sda
[12:14] <pestilence> (sudo)
[12:14] <fizile> Hikaru79, the volume control isnt really the problem, more of rhythmbox recognizing my soundcard as the output instead of my onboard sound
[12:14] <Raf99> wierd... I logged out (went to login screen), then ctrl+alt+backspace..., which brough back a login screen, but now its 1280x1024. I didn't change anything :S
[12:15] <puff> Basically, other than the original winxp install (which I preserved for now because there's some funky hardware on this machine that I'm not sure I can enable under linux), it's a vanilla ubuntu install.
[12:15] <Hikaru79> fizile, do you have XMMS installed?
[12:15] <Hikaru79> If so, open it
[12:15] <Hikaru79> Go to Preferences
[12:15] <fizile> alright
[12:15] <Hikaru79> Go to Plugins
[12:15] <Hikaru79> Go to "Output Plugins"
[12:15] <Hikaru79> And make sure it is set to ALSA
[12:15] <Hikaru79> Then restart it and check to see if sound works that way.
[12:15] <Raf99> am I missing something? cuz this just fixed itself...
[12:15] <Sputn1k> flugh: but in ubntuguide.org nothing about my problem
[12:15] <fizile> yes, xmms does work this way through my soundcard
[12:15] <puff> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/938
[12:15] <mknisely_> I still need help with my "unsupported" PCMCIA Wireless card. Can someone help assoicate an already compiled driver?
[12:15] <puff> What am I looking for here?
[12:15] <Hikaru79> xmms DOES? Then its not a sound problem its a rythmbox problem :(
[12:16] <Hikaru79> I've never used it, I always preffered beep.
[12:16] <Hikaru79> So, perhaps someone here is rythmbox pro :)
[12:16] <reisio> beep :)
[12:16] <fizile> ill look into beep ;`(
[12:16] <fizile> anything that can manage albumns and make it easier to use than xmms
[12:16] <Sputn1k> flugh: are u hear me?
[12:16] <benkong2> is this a problem or normal output? Aug 3 18:14:20 localhost dhcpd: Multiple interfaces match the same subnet: eth0 eth1
[12:16] <flugh> hmm, maybe it wasn't ubuntuguide. does ubuntu do ntfs out of the box?
[12:16] <fizile> since thats just a playlist with controls
[12:16] <ntumba> good evening all :) I'm looking for someone to help me with my new instalation
[12:16] <apokryphos> Raf99: you didn't do the dpkg-reconfigure at all?
[12:17] <Raf99> apokryphos - no. just did what i wrote above..
[12:17] <apokryphos> Raf99: and didn't apply any xorg.conf changes?
[12:17] <Sputn1k> flugh: my 2.6.10 have ntfs module, but 2.6.12- no
[12:17] <Raf99> did not make any changes.
[12:17] <ntumba> I created partitions with the ubuntu install cd. I have now ubuntu installed, but i can't find my other drives anywhere. can anybody help?
[12:17] <pestilence> puff: hdparm -d /dev/sda
[12:17] <Raf99> ctrl+alt+backspace should of taken me to terminal i thought, but instead went back to login screen w/ proper res.
[12:18] <Raf99> *shrugs*... thanx for the help thou.
[12:18] <Bubbling_Zombie> lol @ funny-manpages :')
[12:19] <oni> ctrl+alt+bsp takes you to the login screen always you have gnome running
[12:19] <t3rror> does anyone here have a vpn client running well?
[12:19] <flugh> Sputn1k, sorry, don't know an easy way then. unless you download kernel source, rebuild the source tree using your 2.6.12 .config file, then rebuild the modules, use that new module
[12:19] <PaveK> nophix -> now DMA works with amd module ^_^
[12:19] <t3rror> i just need some help finding one and setting it up
[12:19] <flugh> i'd just stick with 2.6.10 myself
[12:19] <Seveas> Bubbling_Zombie, asr-manpages is nice too
[12:19] <Seveas> man chainsaw
[12:19] <Seveas> :)
[12:20] <mknisely_> t3rror: Using Cisco's VPN client (text based) to connect with PIX and VPN concentrators.
[12:20] <pusling> hmm.. what is the name of the itunes-lookalike in gnome ?
[12:20] <nophix> PaveK: aah, good for you! :)
[12:21] <Bubbling_Zombie> Seveas i saw :)
[12:21] <t3rror> it isn't a cisco
[12:21] <Bubbling_Zombie> Seveas : man rtfm :')
[12:21] <t3rror> it is a wrt54g router running a hacked firmware with pptp support
[12:21] <t3rror> linksys router
[12:21] <Simpleton> Anyone when breezy badgers suppose to hit?
[12:21] <Seveas> Bubbling_Zombie, I know them all ;)
[12:22] <Simpleton> *know
[12:22] <Bubbling_Zombie> _o_ i bow for you are mighty (or something along those lines :p )
[12:22] <pusling> Simpleton: 05.10
[12:23] <mknisely_> Hmmm.... Got one of them, but never got around to hacking it.
[12:24] <mknisely_> t3rror, anyone list what they are using. I've heard of freeswan, but not tired it.
[12:24] <Simpleton> is that october 10 or may 5th
[12:25] <Simpleton> mknisely_ are you talking about the WRT54G
[12:25] <Simpleton> ?
[12:25] <pusling> Simpleton: october
[12:25] <MartenH> I've got my wecam working, but have some issues. In xawtv it works fine, in gqcam it is b/w and repeated three times along with a wide gray strip and GnomeMeeeting finds the device but gives me an error when trying to open it
[12:25] <mknisely_> Simpelton: t3rror is looking for help with VPNing into his hacked WRT54G.
[12:26] <mknisely_> t3rror: Looks like freeswan is IPSEC.... Sorry.
[12:26] <Simpleton> VPNing? like what do you mean exactly?
[12:26] <Simpleton> Virtual private network between his comp and the router?
[12:26] <ed_> hello.
[12:26] <mknisely_> Simpleton: Yes.
[12:26] <robtaylor_> is anyone else seeing firefox fonts not obeying the gnome dpi setting, despite firefox-gnome-support being installed?
[12:27] <ed_> was wondering if anyone knows why my xxms window is so big and how to reduce its size.
[12:27] <ed_> it seems like its on a different resolution compared to the rest of the desktop
[12:27] <fizile> so beep is just like xmms...
[12:28] <ed_> is there a xxms configuration file ?
[12:28] <mknisely_> ed_ : Hit Ctrl-D with it open.
[12:28] <robtaylor_> ed_: mm. sounds a similar problem to mine
[12:28] <mknisely_> ed_: The Double size option is on.
[12:28] <ed_> mknisely: thank you so very much
[12:28] <avadash> what is an apt get for kde for ubuntu?
[12:28] <puff> pestilence: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/939
[12:28] <mknisely_> ed_: No prob.... had that same issue too.
[12:29] <mebaran151> I have an alsa problem
[12:29] <ed_> mknisely: yeah i didn't mind it but i got a small screen. and it was taking up most of my desktop
[12:29] <oni> can anybody help me finding w32codecs for PPC?
[12:29] <robtaylor_> avadash: apt-get install kubuntu
[12:29] <levander> I want to make an iso with mkisofs. But, I don't want the contents of the directories I specify in the iso, I want the directories I specify themselves in the iso. This is possible?
[12:29] <avadash> and for amorok or xmms
[12:29] <ed_> and i am out.
[12:29] <mknisely_> Still looking for help with my "unsupported" (per syslog) PCMCIA wireless card.
[12:29] <ed_> peace.
[12:29] <mebaran151> crimsun, i dont knwo how to make /proc/asound idneitfy my snd card
[12:29] <mebaran151> it only identifies the timer
[12:29] <robtaylor_> oni: w32codes are x86 only, they're codes ripped straight out of windows, hence the name
[12:29] <pestilence> puff: strange, try hdparm -I /dev/sda
[12:30] <crimsun> mebaran151: which card?
[12:30] <robtaylor_> avadash: "apt-cache search" is your friend ;)
[12:30] <mebaran151> snd-ice1724
[12:30] <mebaran151> onboard sound for my shuttle mainboard
[12:30] <mebaran151> lspci:05:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: IC Ensemble Inc ICE1724 [Envy24HT] (rev 01)
[12:30] <oni> can I make them work on PPC?
[12:30] <crimsun> mebaran151: if it's not appearing in /proc/asound/cards, then you need to check with upstream if you're already using the latest driver (1.0.9b). Try cvs, for instance.
[12:31] <Kyral> BOO!
[12:31] <mebaran151> ah
[12:31] <oni> i found a w32codecs.orig.tar.gz... would it work?
[12:31] <mebaran151> I am using
[12:31] <mebaran151> 1.09rc4
[12:32] <puff> pestilence: Well *that* certainly got me a lot more output, one sec while I paste it.
[12:32] <mknisely_> I have a Sonicwall wireless card (Seneo rebranded) that lists as "unsupported" in syslog. I've tracked down and complied the drivers. Now I just need to know how I get linux to use them once I plug the stupid thing in.
[12:32] <mebaran151> crimsun cvs
[12:32] <mebaran151> hmmm
[12:32] <mebaran151> crimsun, it works in the latest breezy
[12:32] <mebaran151> but I went back to Hoary
[12:32] <mebaran151> what version of Alsa is in breezy?
[12:33] <puff> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/940
[12:34] <pestilence> puff: looks like it's using dma
[12:35] <crimsun> mebaran151: 1.0.9b
[12:35] <puff> pestilence: What's that mean?
[12:35] <mebaran151> hmmm
[12:35] <mebaran151> any patches?
[12:36] <pestilence> puff: means you shouldn't change anything there.
[12:36] <puff> pestilence: ooooookay.
[12:36] <crimsun> mebaran151: nothing significant
[12:36] <mebaran151> hmmm, interesting
[12:36] <mebaran151> must be a kernel thing
[12:36] <puff> pestilence: I'm trying to learn a bit here, so I (eventually) ask fewer stupid questions :-).
[12:36] <pestilence> puff: you might look into the driver for your video card
[12:37] <pestilence> puff: perhaps you are not using the right one
[12:37] <mknisely_> t3rror: Have you tried the PPTP Cleint in Webmin?
[12:37] <sun_> hi anyone using ion3, when i hit alt-t to tag he fram nothing happens?
[12:37] <puff> pestilence: good question. Lemme ask over in #ibmthinkpad.
[12:37] <pestilence> puff: dma = direct memory access, it allows the hard drive and memory to interact without huge cpu overhead
[12:37] <purple> hi! how can i log into ubuntu if i have forgotten my user name and password? i dont use it much and i forgot it :/
[12:38] <mknisely_> purple: toss yourself into single user mode and you've got root.
[12:38] <pestilence> purple: boot into recovery mode, type "passwd <yourusernamehere>"
[12:38] <puff> Graphics Controller: ATI MOBILITY FIRE GL V3200 - 128 MB
[12:38] <purple> thanks
[12:39] <puff> pestilence: ah, gotcha (re: DMA). Every time I blink, pc hardware is all different.
[12:43] <Simpleton> So I hear Breezy Badger is broken?
[12:43] <Simpleton> When is that going to be fixed?
[12:43] <cafuego> Simpleton: /topic
[12:44] <Simpleton> i saw it in the topic
[12:44] <Simpleton> thats why i mentioned it
[12:44] <cafuego> Simpleton: When the bugs are removed, it's going to be fixed.
[12:44] <Simpleton> thanks
[12:44] <Simpleton> any useful answers?
[12:44] <cafuego> That will probably be in between now and the end of october.
[12:44] <cafuego> Simpleton: Not if you don't have useful questions ;-)
[12:44] <holycow> or offer usefull help
[12:44] <puff> Breezy Badget? I've been meaning to ask, what's the story with the names....?
[12:44] <Simpleton> Well
[12:45] <Simpleton> Rumour has it mark is a nature fan
[12:45] <holycow> puff, its called creativity
[12:45] <cafuego> Simpleton: Only the people doing the packaging will know if and when they will fix the bugs.
[12:45] <Simpleton> When it's time to come up with a new name he wanders off into the bushes
[12:45] <puff> holycow: Creativity? Is that legal?
[12:45] <holycow> puff, not in the united states
[12:45] <puff> Oh, good.
[12:45] <holycow> in the u.s. its patented
[12:50] <deprave_> ubuntu must have an HIV epidemic!
[12:50] <Slipaway172> lol
[12:50] <Slipaway172> ewwww it smells
[12:50] <Slipaway172> get it away
[12:51] <deprave_> !tell deprave about java
[12:51] <Slipaway172> what about it
[12:51] <apokryphos> cafuego: Hey. Is there a way to make ubotu show which architectures a given package is packaged for?
[12:51] <Belutz> !java
[12:51] <ubotu> well, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[12:51] <cafuego> apokryphos: Not at the moment; it only knows about i386
[12:52] <cafuego> apokryphos: .. baically, it has access to the i386 Packages.gz files and the information in those, nothing else.
[12:52] <apokryphos> ok
[12:52] <Slipaway172> does anybody know when ubuntu will move to the 64bit architecture?
[12:52] <cafuego> Simpleton: Ubuntu amd64 works fine, has for ages.
[12:52] <cafuego> Slipaway172 even
[12:52] <Slipaway172> odd
[12:53] <apokryphos> cafuego: does he not search backports?
[12:53] <cafuego> apokryphos: hoary-backports, yes.
[12:53] <cafuego> also security
[12:53] <Slipaway172> what i mean, to the point where i586 will no longer be supported
[12:54] <seife`> Hi
[12:54] <seife> how do ppl install vidcard\soundcard drivers in linux?
[12:54] <cafuego> Slipaway172: When companies stop producing it, people stop buying it, people stop using it and it becomes vcompletely obsolete. 2038.
[12:54] <seife> specifly ubuntu
[12:54] <Slipaway172> ok
[12:55] <Slipaway172> cuz im CHEAP
[12:55] <cafuego> Slipaway172: basic Athlon64's here are cheaper then midrange AthlonXPs now.
[12:55] <Slipaway172> seife, what video card do u have?
[12:55] <adamh> When I start muine from the console, on Breezy, I get "Could not open /dev/inotify". Indeed, /dev/inotify doesn't exist. I want it, how do I get it? :)
[12:55] <Gatton> Do any terms support true transparency? In the sense that behind the window you see other windows instead of the root background image?
[12:55] <Slipaway172> i have me a duron 1.6 and runs lightning fast
[12:56] <apokryphos> Gatton: yes, with X composite extensions
[12:56] <seife> ATi 7500
[12:56] <fizile> the 7500 does the job well ill say
[12:56] <Slipaway172> i would like to have that
[12:56] <holysmokes> what arguments are needed at the cd's boot prompt to boot from my hd?
[12:56] <Gatton> apokryphos, hmmm I started to look into that a while back. Will do so again. Thanks
[12:56] <seife> lol this vidcard sucks.
[12:56] <apokryphos> cafuego: is Ubuntu good for packaging amd64 stuff?
[12:56] <fizile> pfft you just gotta be gentle
[12:56] <adamh> holysmokes: linux root=/dev/hda1 (or whatever partition) should do it :)
[12:56] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell Gatton about composite
[12:57] <Slipaway172> not as bad as my card, i have a integrated NV 3300 i think
[12:57] <seife> i want a x700xt one
[12:57] <selinium_> ANyone know of a portable jukebox that plays FLAC files?
[12:57] <seife> lol
[12:57] <holysmokes> adamh: that's it? i thought you had to specify initrd or something like that these days?
[12:57] <Slipaway172> i just want a card that wont lag while webbrowsing ir watching a movie
[12:57] <cafuego> apokryphos: I don't see why it wouldn't be. The packages are the same as on i386; it's just that some stuff hasn't been ported, and you can just run the i386 verions of those packages.
[12:58] <cafuego> Slipaway172: You need a fast cpu and i/o system then, the card is a minor issue.
[12:58] <Slipaway172> but i have no problems with it now
[12:58] <Slipaway172> runs fast and no lagg
[12:59] <Slipaway172> once i installed the drivers
[12:59] <Slipaway172> and once i enabled DMA on my dvd player to watch movies
[12:59] <cafuego> Slipaway172: The latter would have been the clicher.
[01:00] <cafuego> Slipaway172: without dma it would eat way too many cpu cycles.
[01:00] <Slipaway172> latter?
[01:00] <Slipaway172> oh
[01:00] <Slipaway172> i never had such a problem in mandrake 10.0
[01:01] <Slipaway172> but ubuntu runs faster, is more stabler and just looks better than mandrake
[01:01] <cafuego> and that's undoubtedly what mandrake did
[01:01] <Coss> there is no .exe install?
[01:01] <Slipaway172> ohhhhhhh, i didnt know that
[01:01] <Slipaway172> no
[01:01] <Slipaway172> linux dosent use .exe
[01:01] <Slipaway172> uses deb
[01:02] <cafuego> Coss: On top of that, you need non-windows space on the harddisk.
[01:02] <seife> can anyone tell me the difference between a prog in linux and a prog in windows?
[01:02] <Kyral> None
[01:02] <Kyral> codewise
[01:02] <Kyral> none
[01:02] <seife> different language? u cant program in c++ or java?
[01:03] <Kyral> You can use anything
[01:03] <apokryphos> Course you can.
[01:03] <Slipaway172> i find linux programs to be more stabler
[01:03] <fizile> minus the r
[01:03] <Bently> does anyone have experience trouble shooting printers ?
[01:03] <Slipaway172> its getting late for me, so shhhhhhhh
[01:03] <Coss> cafuego, i have that
[01:03] <Kyral> You guys wanna hear something funny yet pathetic
[01:03] <cafuego> seife: The main difference would be the names for function calls.
[01:04] <Bently> i got a hp psc 1610 all in one printer and its setup correctly and prints however whats printed isn't correctly aligned on the paper
[01:04] <Coss> cafuego, just that i dont have a cdburner availeble right now : x
[01:04] <Kyral> "Is Linux like AOL?" - My Cousin
[01:04] <cafuego> Coss: Out of luck then.
[01:04] <fizile> that saddens me
[01:04] <Bently> is there a configuration file for printers ?
[01:04] <cafuego> Kyral: "Yes, now finish your rat pison before mom gets home."
[01:05] <Slipaway172> *lightning
[01:05] <Coss> cafuego, fookt
[01:05] <Kyral> I SCREAMED in pain when she said that
[01:05] <cafuego> Bently: http://localhost:631/
[01:06] <Gatton> Time to test compositing
[01:06] <spanglesontoast> what's 3dwm?
[01:06] <cafuego> spanglesontoast: eyecandy
[01:06] <spanglesontoast> ah ok
[01:07] <cafuego> !info 3dwm
[01:07] <Boffa> What is the best/easiest way to burn an DVD-iso file in Ubuntu (or in Linux) ? I raise the question since I did not get the rightclick and "Write to disc..." work (it ended up with a 17% full disc only with garbage) and I tried with Gnomebaker and it does not even recognize the DVD +-RW unit.
[01:07] <cafuego> stupid bot
[01:07] <Slipaway172> later, got to go work on that motor again
[01:08] <frank_> Boffa: I use k3b
[01:08] <frank_b> hi all
[01:08] <Boffa> frank: is there an easy installation guide for that since I am using Gnome and K3B is for KDE if I not mistaken.
[01:09] <apokryphos> Boffa: all KDE programs can be run on gnome
[01:09] <robinparker> im back
[01:09] <Boffa> apokryphos: I will test and return.
[01:09] <frank_b> Boffa: I've just "pluged in"... installation guide for what?
[01:10] <frank_b> (and I don't know much about linux yet...)
[01:10] <Boffa> Frank: k3b installation guide for Ubuntu?
[01:10] <apokryphos> Boffa: sudo apt-get install k3b
[01:11] <Boffa> easy as pie
[01:13] <frank_b> well... I've used the "howto's" at ubuntuguide.org and it's a good guide... don't know if k3b is listed... but I think it's very easy to install... don't see how can it be difficult... go to synaptic and choose to install it's package, I guess...
[01:13] <apokryphos> Ubuntuguide.org is bad
[01:13] <apokryphos> !ubuntuguide
[01:13] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[01:13] <frank_b> at least, it's very easy to use... I've use it before...
[01:13] <frank_b> apokryptos: well... it's the best I know about...
[01:14] <apokryphos> frank_b: the wiki is better for many things. There's the kudos guide, too.
[01:14] <Boffa> ok, apt-get worked but where is the application to be found. Usually an little stupid comes up in my menus.
[01:14] <frank_b> ok... didn't see the automessage... I'll check it then, thanks
[01:15] <apokryphos> Boffa: It should be there, though I don't really know how gnome works. You can always just alt+f2 -> k3b, though
[01:15] <voradams> hi there
[01:15] <frank_b> Boffa: maybe refreshing the gnome pannel will make it appear... it worked with some programs I installed...
[01:15] <frank_b> just a minute...
[01:16] <skalpel> can someone tell me what the following error means when trying to burn a cd in gnomebaker? cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc gracetime=2 speed=4 -v -eject driveropts=burnfree -multi /tmp/GnomeBaker/jon/gnomebaker_create_data_cd.iso (null)
[01:16] <skalpel> ** Message: MessageDialog message [Please insert the CD into the CD writer]
[01:16] <Douglas> So let's say I upgraded to weezy and it broke everything, how do I downgrade my system if all I have is command line and internet?
[01:16] <cafuego> Douglas: Wipe, reinstall.
[01:16] <cafuego> Douglas: And consider that a lesson.
[01:16] <Douglas> really?
[01:17] <HrdwrBoB> Douglas: so, you missed all of the messages everywhere that said do not install
[01:17] <Douglas> yea, I guess
[01:17] <sorush20> what is so special about breezy..
[01:17] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: No, those are always meant for OTHER people.
[01:17] <Douglas> I'm sad now.
[01:17] <frank_b> Boffa: try writing "killall gnome-panel" in a terminal
[01:17] <frank_b> (and check again)
[01:17] <voradams> stupid question time. I had the system hand while installing capture-ntfs. Now my screen resolution is only 640x480. What is the Ubuntu program that chanhes screen resolutions and do i need change my driver in this situation?
[01:18] <Boffa> Here we go. Testing burning with K3B.
[01:18] <floppyears> hi
[01:18] <frank_b> and maybe also "killall nautilus" to refresh the desktop
[01:18] <floppyears> can somebody suggest me a good popular bittorrent client ?
[01:19] <Boffa> I needed alson cdrado... or something.
[01:19] <Boffa> but that was easy
[01:19] <shido6> how do you mount a darwin hfs partition under ubuntu
[01:19] <shido6> ?
[01:19] <apokryphos> floppyears: azureus
[01:19] <cafuego> sorush20: Not much. Then again, it's g0t a h1gh3r vers10n number, so 1t's g0tta be b3tt3r lololz!
[01:19] <voradams> floppyears - azureus, you will need to install java though
[01:19] <floppyears> apokryphos: yes, I liked azureus. Do you know of another one that doesn't use as many system resources
[01:20] <frank_b> now it's my turn... :)
[01:20] <voradams> abc uses python
[01:20] <apokryphos> floppyears: the default gnome one, bittornado, and ktorrent
[01:20] <floppyears> apokryphos: thanks
[01:20] <floppyears> voradams: I used to use that one, but java hugs so many resources :(
[01:20] <frank_b> hey, my aMule doesn't load the server list and doesn't explain why ("Failed to download the server list from http://www.srv1000.com/azz/server.met")... anyone knows anything about this?
[01:21] <frank_b> (yes, I'm connected to the internet)
[01:21] <cafuego> frank_b: wget fetches it just fine.
[01:22] <frank_b> cafuego: what do I have to do, then?
[01:22] <cafuego> frank_b: Just grab it by ahdn and plonk it in ~./amule/ or whereever it wants it,
[01:22] <Boffa> frank: lowid mode? I do not remember. It was so long ago I used eMule
[01:22] <cafuego> s/ahdn/hand/
[01:23] <frank_b> I'm sorry... I'm new to linux and I don't know what are you talking about... "grab it by ahdn"? "plonk it"? "lowid mode"? :\
[01:25] <frank_b> hi frank whithout a "b"!
[01:25] <_frank> hi frank with a b
[01:25] <frank_b> :) eheh
[01:25] <huttan> Hi, is there anyway to force my wireless networkcard to lock on to a specific wireless network at bootup and not try to scan and connect to the one with the best signal?
[01:26] <KamiVIP_> hi
[01:26] <_frank> huttan: you can set it in /etc/network/interfaces
[01:26] <cafuego> huttan: Yes, edit /etc/network/interfaces
[01:26] <huttan> _frank, I did...still it tries
[01:26] <KamiVIP_> gimp: /usr/local/lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3.4' not found (required by gimp) what can i do? glib_2.3.4 it's not in packages list
[01:26] <KamiVIP_> wel actually it is but newer version
[01:26] <sorush20> did you know.. that ubuntu hasn't crashed for a week...
[01:27] <cafuego> KamiVIP_: How did you manage to break that??
[01:27] <cafuego> KamiVIP_: Did you compile your own libc6?
[01:27] <huttan> _frank, is there any other way?
[01:27] <cafuego> KamiVIP_: Where did you get that copy of gimp?
[01:27] <KamiVIP_> nop i hjave glib but new version thats old gimp im using but it needs old glib
[01:28] <KamiVIP_> acutally it is gimpshop
[01:28] <KamiVIP_> so it's interface looks like photoshop
[01:28] <cafuego> KamiVIP_: it's been compiled badly.
[01:28] <jkinz> Hi all, just installed U-5.04. Can't find smbmount command even though other samba commands are installed. Do I need to apt-get something specific to get smbmount?
[01:28] <KamiVIP_> hmm
[01:28] <cafuego> jkinz: 'smbfs'
[01:28] <spanglesontoast> checking for python extension module directory... ${exec_prefix}/lib/python2.4/site-packages
[01:28] <spanglesontoast> what does that mean?
[01:28] <frank_b> I guess I'll check the forums, then...
[01:29] <cafuego> KamiVIP_: it shouldn't be trying to access libc6.so in /usr/local/lib
[01:29] <jkinz> cafuego: thanks.
[01:29] <KamiVIP_> oh
[01:29] <KamiVIP_> /usr/lib?
[01:29] <cafuego> KamiVIP_: And certainly not version 2.3.4, Ubuntu uses 2.3.2.
[01:29] <_SWAT_> jkinz, after getting samba you just need to edit the /etc/samba/smb.conf file to share your files using Samba. If you have linux clients you can use NFS :D
[01:29] <KamiVIP_> hehe
[01:30] <KamiVIP_> k gonna fix it then thanks
[01:30] <david__> hey, does anyone know who to paint alpha in gimp?
[01:30] <cafuego> Don't attempt to inastall a manual libc6 OR a newer Ubuntu.
[01:31] <_SWAT_> cafuego, you're right. Just apt-get the stuff, it's much easier and it works instantly :D
[01:31] <spanglesontoast> checking for python extension module directory... ${exec_prefix}/lib/python2.4/site-packages
[01:31] <spanglesontoast> ?
[01:31] <cafuego> _SWAT_: There's nothing to apt-get to make an app work with libc6 2.3.4 in /usr/local
[01:32] <_SWAT_> I know
[01:33] <_SWAT_> brb
[01:34] <Belutz> how do i start enlightenment?
[01:34] <cyphase> does anyone know why your list of DNS servers is cleared when there isn't any space on the hard drive?
[01:35] <spanglesontoast> do I have to compile adesklets or can they be run out of the box?
[01:35] <_SWAT_> Belutz, can't you select it at the login screen? (under Session?)
[01:35] <Belutz> _SWAT_: nope
[01:35] <_SWAT_> spanglesontoast, do you mean gdesklets?
[01:35] <_SWAT_> Belutz, did you apt-get it?
[01:35] <spanglesontoast> no adesklets
[01:36] <spanglesontoast> it's python based
[01:36] <_SWAT_> don't know them (apt-get doesn't know them either)
[01:36] <spanglesontoast> swat not everything is on apt
[01:36] <_SWAT_> but if there isn't a .deb package or something I guess you have to compile it from source
[01:36] <spanglesontoast> is there anything in gdesklets
[01:36] <samu> does ubuntu work well with wifi adapters?
[01:36] <spanglesontoast> that functions like apples bar?
[01:37] <holysmokes> what's the simplest way to get grub re-installed? it seems to have become corrupted somehow
[01:37] <Belutz> _SWAT_: yup i've already apt-get it
[01:39] <_SWAT_> samu, it works as fine as you want to work with it. A lot of it depends on the specific hardware drivers and the version of the kernel etc.
[01:39] <_SWAT_> Belutz, maybe something for you? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20216&highlight=enlightenment+start
[01:39] <icewt> holysmokes, man grub-install
[01:39] <Belutz> _SWAT_: ok, thx :)
[01:40] <fredforfaen> hey peeps
[01:40] <holysmokes> icewt: well, to be more specific i need to get it booted somehow.. after that installing grub should be trivial
[01:40] <_SWAT_> Belutz, by the way. Make sure you read the entire page (including the comments of other users) to know what you could be expecting
[01:41] <icewt> holycow, well, i guess you should use some livecd then
[01:42] <icewt> err. i mean holysmokes
[01:42] <david__> hey, does anyone know hwo to add an alpha channel in GIMP?
[01:42] <_SWAT_> ROFL quote: "Be careful of reading health books, you might die of a misprint. -- Mark Twain"
[01:43] <magdeburger> lol
[01:44] <ripkun> !list
[01:44] <ubotu> methinks list is at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuFactoids
[01:45] <apokryphos> ubotu: no list is at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[01:45] <ubotu> okay, apokryphos
[01:46] <_SWAT_> One for the quotes lists: "WINDOWS stands for Will Install Needless Data On Whole System." :-D
[01:46] <icewt> holysmokes, and mount the root partition with it, check if there's something wrong in /boot/grub/menu.lst , and after that run grub-install --root-directory=the_directory_you_mounted_the_partition_to /dev/hda
[01:46] <KamiVIP_> somebody managed to install and use wine?
[01:46] <_SWAT_> KamiVIP_, yes
[01:46] <KamiVIP_> i mean cedega*
[01:46] <KamiVIP_> my bad
[01:46] <_SWAT_> KamiVIP_, also yes (I have an account there)
[01:46] <KamiVIP_> oh
[01:47] <KamiVIP_> i have many problems with it
[01:47] <KamiVIP_> you compiled it from sources?
[01:47] <_SWAT_> Let me guess, you're using the 'free' version? (No I just downloaded the .deb, since I'm paying for it)
[01:47] <KamiVIP_> oh
[01:47] <KamiVIP_> yep free version
[01:47] <_SWAT_> KamiVIP_, I'd recon you go to #cedega, those guys will know what to do :D
[01:47] <KamiVIP_> hehe
[01:48] <Raf99> When i boot up and get to login screen, its in 640X480. If I do not login, but instead hit ctrl+alt+bsp, it goes to a black screen and back to the login screen but this time at 1280X1024 (which is what I want). If I just login, it stays at 640. Is there a reason for this ?
[01:48] <KamiVIP_> so whats the difference with paid version?
[01:48] <_SWAT_> KamiVIP_, the paid version also has a nice GUI and some more/better code or something
[01:49] <_SWAT_> KamiVIP_, check out http://www.transgaming.com/products_linux.php
[01:49] <KamiVIP_> thanks
[01:49] <MikeW> Does Warty include mysql and apache on the install cd
[01:50] <Gnurdux> where would one get yhe latest bzflag on ubuntu
[01:50] <fluvvell> is there an easy way to change my computers name in ubuntu, I cant find it in documentation
[01:50] <seife`> yo
[01:51] <socomm> MikeW: No.
[01:51] <seife`> can anyone tell me whats the difference between lives cds and install cds?
[01:51] <seife`> wich i have to download
[01:51] <Gnurdux> install
[01:51] <seife`> what things i have to download to run ubuntu
[01:51] <KamiVIP_> install cd
[01:51] <_SWAT_> install cd
[01:51] <Gnurdux> live is just a cd to show what linux is like
[01:51] <_SWAT_> live cd is something like Knoppix etc. You just run it from the CD (boot from CD). You don't install anything
[01:52] <Gnurdux> fluvvell, it did
[01:52] <fluvvell> thanks Gnurdux
[01:52] <Gnurdux> maybe in syetnm tools in menu
[01:52] <Gnurdux> is there a network config?
[01:53] <Gnurdux> i use debian
[01:53] <Gnurdux> i need bzflag for a friend
[01:53] <fluvvell> I'll look again
[01:53] <_SWAT_> fluvvell, did you try searching ubuntuforums.org?
[01:53] <Gnurdux> debian testing has the latest one
[01:53] <windex> erm, i think on debian and ubuntu you can simply get away with editing /etc/hostname and rebooting. but i'm not positive, so don't hold me to that. :)
[01:53] <Gnurdux> on debian
[01:53] <Gnurdux> its in menu
[01:53] <Gnurdux> system tools
[01:53] <Gnurdux> network tools
[01:53] <Gnurdux> check that out
[01:53] <Gnurdux> ubuntu is based on debian remember
[01:53] <windex> applications -> system tools -> network tools
[01:54] <whitefang> is an amd barton cpu the same as k7? ie, can i use the k7 kernel with it?
[01:54] <windex> however network tools dosen't appear to have anything for changing the name of the machine.
[01:54] <fluvvell> not ubuntuforums, no, will do that now
[01:54] <andy_> whitefang, yes
[01:54] <windex> so i'm going to re-visit my 'edit /etc/hostname' idea. :)
[01:55] <_SWAT_> Does anyone know how I can change the Gnome loader? (the thing you get after your login screen)
[01:55] <socomm> _SWAT_: Yes.
[01:55] <_SWAT_> socomm, please tell me :-)
[01:55] <socomm> Use gconf-editor, there's a find feature in it.
[01:55] <socomm> You should have no problems finding it.
[01:56] <_SWAT_> thnx, I'll take a crack at it :D (that's the only thing I couldn't really find)
[01:56] <spanglesontoast> where can I grab statgrab
[01:57] <socomm> Grab it in the knickers.
[01:57] <socomm> Harharhar.
[01:57] <socomm> spanglesontoast: Use synaptic, if not there you'll have to find a repo that provides it or compile by hand.
[01:57] <Razor-X> or get an individual .deb
[01:58] <spanglesontoast> hmm
[01:58] <Razor-X> (if that .deb works with Ubuntu, of course)
[01:58] <popey> its in deb unstable
[01:58] <Razor-X> i'm starting to like MPlayer
[01:58] <spanglesontoast> ah
[01:58] <Razor-X> are the codecs compiled into MPlayer?
[01:58] <popey> no
[01:58] <popey> libs
[01:58] <Razor-X> ah, that sucks
[01:58] <popey> shared by other apps too
[01:58] <socomm> Razor-X: Some, I think.
[01:58] <gregg_> Razor-X: some are
[01:58] <Razor-X> I know libavcodec is compiled in
[01:58] <popey> so totem/xine can use them
[01:59] <socomm> There's an otpion for an internal faad codec, or something.
[01:59] <Razor-X> VLC is much better in that respect ;)
[01:59] <gregg_> Razor-X: like libavcodec, which should be enough for 90% of the files out there :)
[01:59] <socomm> s/otpion/option/
[01:59] <Razor-X> gregg_: when compiling, I got the ``all'' codecs package ;)
[01:59] <gregg_> you mean, the win32 codecs?
[01:59] <_SWAT_> socomm, still can't seem to find it. I mean the login screen and theme were easily found and edited. Yet this last thing I can't find. Does it even have a proper name?
[01:59] <Razor-X> gregg_: no, from the MPlayer site
[02:00] <gregg_> ah ok
[02:00] <spanglesontoast> nope the .deb doesn't work
[02:00] <socomm> _SWAT_: Search for `splash'.
[02:00] <_SWAT_> thnx ;)
[02:00] <gregg_> Razor-X: it's easier to use the win32-codecs package from marillat. IMHO :)
[02:00] <Razor-X> gregg_: I wanted to compile mine ;)
[02:00] <Razor-X> plus, win32-codecs (I don't think) has every codec
[02:00] <gregg_> yeah, but it's enough for me
[02:01] <Razor-X> s/ has/ doesen't have/
[02:01] <andy_> w32codecs
[02:01] <Razor-X> H.264 is one of those lacking in w32codecs
[02:01] <Razor-X> (IIRC)
[02:01] <Razor-X> MPlayer was not at all hard to compile, just long
[02:01] <Razor-X> _really_ long
[02:01] <gregg_> well, who needs h.264 anyway (at least for now)
[02:01] <Razor-X> some people say it takes longer than a kernel to compile ;)
[02:01] <Razor-X> gregg_: Systm
[02:02] <socomm> _SWAT_: It's under Apps->gnome-session->splash_image
[02:02] <icewt> now that you're talking about it, how do i get ac3 sound to work with mplayer?
[02:03] <Razor-X> I believe you have to compile it
[02:03] <_SWAT_> socomm, thnx :D:D:D:D (I could kiss you right now, but I won't don't worry :D)
[02:03] <gregg_> hmm
[02:03] <icewt> Razor-X, that's what i thought :/
[02:03] <Razor-X> I know VLC can play it by default, but, a lot of the videos I watch use AC3 stream, and MPlayer decodes it fine
[02:03] <gregg_> I think I have it working here, out of the box (or package)
[02:03] <Razor-X> icewt: nothing wrong with compiling
[02:04] <icewt> Razor-X, yes, VLC works fine. i just like mplayer better
[02:04] <Razor-X> icewt: compile it then
[02:04] <icewt> Razor-X, of course not, it's just easier to apt-get everything ;)
[02:04] <Razor-X> any app you use very often, you should compile (at least, that's my philosophy)
[02:04] <Razor-X> (like my Eterm)
[02:05] <gregg_> what about your shell?
[02:05] <cs378> ok i just wrote a simple c++ source, used gcc to compile but wont do it, getting errors, plz help on how to compile, this is my first time using linux
[02:05] <Razor-X> plus, MPlayer has a lot of processor specific optimizations that you can get out of compiling
[02:05] <fluvvell> Thanks guys, changing the name was definately in system->applications->networking->general tab
[02:05] <Razor-X> gregg_: ahh, an exception. I don't compile kernels or shells often
[02:05] <cs378> gcc foo.cpp <-- thats what i typed
[02:05] <Razor-X> I just aptitutded my zsh
[02:05] <gregg_> Razor-X: it's not worth the 3% benefit you'll get
[02:06] <socomm> I only compile apps that I would like optimized for my machine. Mplayer, and zsnes for example.
[02:06] <popey> cs378: try g++ foo.cpp
[02:06] <icewt> Razor-X, well, the mplayer packages in ubuntu are compiled for different processors
[02:06] <HrdwrBoB> socomm: "optimising for your machine" isn't really important
[02:06] <Razor-X> icewt: but, can they play files larger than 2 GB?
[02:06] <cs378> popey: yeah ok, g++ works, thx man, now i can write c++ n learn hahaha
[02:06] <gregg_> mplayer has run-time cpu detection and will automatically use specific code for critical parts
[02:06] <popey> cs378: great! that was a guess :D
[02:06] <icewt> Razor-X, dunno, haven't tried
[02:06] <gregg_> so it won't help that much to compile an "optimized" version of it
[02:07] <Razor-X> icewt: mine can ;)
[02:07] <Razor-X> gregg_: you mean, it uses MMX and SSE versions just by detecting the processor?
[02:07] <HrdwrBoB> I compiled my own mplayer - but only because ac3 was busted
[02:07] <icewt> Razor-X, send me a >2GB video and i'll try ;)
[02:07] <Razor-X> icewt: DVD isos
[02:07] <socomm> gregg_: CPU detection will slow down mplayer.
[02:07] <gregg_> Razor-X: yes
[02:07] <gregg_> socomm: yeah, like 1%
[02:07] <HrdwrBoB> socomm: oh nos, so slow
[02:07] <cs378> popey: hehe, now im gonna try javac, brb
[02:08] <socomm> HrdwrBoB: Mind your business.
[02:08] <Razor-X> gregg_: not on a box that's 256 MB RAM, 1.6 ghz, that can barely play H.264 as it is
[02:08] <Zodiac> Hey guys
[02:08] <icewt> Razor-X, actually i like to use VLC with DVDs because it supports menus
[02:08] <Zodiac> What is a good CD burning program??
[02:08] <HrdwrBoB> socomm: look, not to point to fine a point on it, the exercise is almost entirely pointless
[02:08] <socomm> Zodiac: K3B is probably the best.
[02:08] <Razor-X> Zodiac: K3b
[02:08] <whitefang> anyone know why flashplayer sound doesn't work? i can play windows media files in totem.
[02:08] <HrdwrBoB> if you need extra features etc then yeah, sure, go for it
[02:08] <Zodiac> nice
[02:08] <Zodiac> is that in the package manager??
[02:09] <HrdwrBoB> but recomiling things to achieve more speed isn't going to help you much
[02:09] <f_newton> melio, you still here or at work?
[02:09] <Razor-X> Zodiac: yeah
[02:09] <gregg_> Razor-X: it depends on the codecs. it does that sort of stuff for libavcodec
[02:09] <Razor-X> my Eterm was mainly compiled for features -- the package in the repos (at that time) didn't have Etwin support
[02:09] <socomm> HrdwrBoB: I don't compile just for speed sake ...
[02:09] <Zodiac> oh man, KDE??? Is that going to install a whole bunch of KDE library files??
[02:10] <popey> Zodiac: some, yes
[02:10] <Razor-X> and, the compiled version came with a nice icon ;), not the ugly X of the included package ;)
[02:10] <popey> if you don't already have them
[02:10] <socomm> Zodiac: gnomebaker is also good.
[02:10] <Razor-X> Graveman is better for a GTK interface
[02:10] <socomm> However is not as feature rich as K3B.
[02:10] <Zodiac> Gnomebacker... does that integrate with Gnome better?
[02:10] <icewt> Zodiac, it's worth it. k3b is the best
[02:10] <Zodiac> ahhh okay
[02:10] <Zodiac> I will buckle
[02:10] <Zodiac> thanx guys
[02:10] <socomm> Zodiac: `gnomebaker'
[02:11] <Seveas> 'Who wants to bake some gnomes?'
[02:11] <Zodiac> he he
[02:11] <Zodiac> I am installing k3b as I type this...
[02:11] <socomm> Cool.
[02:11] <Razor-X> I don't like my CDs baked
[02:11] <Razor-X> I like 'em burned ;)
[02:12] <gregg_> Razor-X: so, recompiling mplayer really helped in playing h.264 properly?
[02:12] <Di42lo> tell me something...the default terminal can handle tabs ?
[02:12] <Razor-X> gregg_: the speed for that on this machine helped
[02:12] <Razor-X> not too much though
[02:12] <_SWAT_> Zodiac, k3b looked great, haven't used it yet though
[02:12] <gregg_> hm ok
[02:12] <andy_> w32cfor i in *.wav; do lame --alt-preset standard -h "$i" "`basename "$i" .wav`.mp3"; done
[02:12] <Razor-X> and, I generally want all the codecs I possibly can in my media players
[02:12] <Razor-X> that way, I don't have to use 4 media players for my files
[02:12] <gregg_> the whole optimization thing just reminds me of...
[02:12] <socomm> Di42lo: Yes.
[02:13] <Zodiac> ha ha
[02:13] <icewt> Zodiac, you should visit kde's control center (or something) after installing though, otherwise the fonts in k3b are too big
[02:13] <andy_> for i in *.wav; do lame --alt-preset standard -h "$i" "`basename "$i" .wav`.mp3"; done
[02:13] <gregg_> "hey guys i just recompiled ma gentoo with -O9999 and it runs TWICE AS FAST !!!111one"
[02:13] <Zodiac> oh man...
[02:13] <Zodiac> KDE control panel??
[02:13] <Seveas> gregg_, :)
[02:13] <Razor-X> gregg_: Gentoo with -O5 makes Gnome run with decent speed on my old 486
[02:13] <Razor-X> Stage 1, -O5
[02:13] <icewt> Zodiac, something like that
[02:13] <socomm> icewt: If I recall correctly install k3b will only install the bare minimum, not the whole KDE package.
[02:13] <HrdwrBoB> Razor-X: ...
[02:13] <Razor-X> it took a hellish long time, but, that's beside the point ;)
[02:13] <Seveas> it just takes a year to compile :)
[02:13] <seife`> I think ill try the Live CD
[02:14] <Gorth> when i try to run xmms as my normal user, nothing happens, i have to use sudo to run it!
[02:14] <Gorth> any suggestions??
[02:14] <seife`> Before installing teh full Ubuntu
[02:14] <gregg_> Razor-X: well, the maximum level of gcc is -O3 :)
[02:14] <Zodiac> Is it going to make an icon in my dropdown menu??
[02:14] <Razor-X> that 486 there is just my tester, I do whatever I feel like it, when
[02:14] <Zodiac> Or do I have to terminal into it??
[02:14] <socomm> Razor-X: Why not use fluxbox on a machine like that?
[02:14] <windex> seife, trying it out before you nuke the machine is always good. :)
[02:14] <gregg_> so it might as well be your imagination
[02:14] <Razor-X> gregg_: Gentoo has some -O5 flags, (IIRC after reading the docs)
[02:14] <Code_Dark> does ubuntu come prepackaged with madwifi?
[02:14] <hmrocha> hi
[02:15] <Seveas> Code_Dark, yes
[02:15] <gregg_> Razor-X: so they patched up gcc?
[02:15] <Razor-X> socomm: I actually used XFce on that box (or Fluxbox, or IceWM), but this was more of a pushing-the-limit thing
[02:15] <hmrocha> i'm trying to switch a friend of mine from windows to ubuntu
[02:15] <Razor-X> gregg_: I believe so, unless I'm just off here
[02:15] <Code_Dark> Seveas: does ubuntu have a nice package manager?
[02:15] <hmrocha> he is using a dial up modem
[02:15] <Zodiac> oh man... how do I get to it??
[02:15] <Seveas> Code_Dark, yes, the best :)
[02:15] <popey> Code_Dark: yes, apt, or synaptic
[02:15] <Razor-X> Code_Dark: aptitude/apt-get is bar-none
[02:15] <hmrocha> so, i don't want to download w32codecs
[02:15] <Code_Dark> (excuse me for the barrage of questions, I'm trying to decide in like 20 seconds if I should install it on my laptop)
[02:15] <windex> Code_Dark, it's like debian, and uses apt/aptitude/synaptic.
[02:15] <Code_Dark> nice.
[02:15] <Seveas> Code_Dark, try a live cd if you can't decide :)
[02:15] <Razor-X> hmrocha: VLC is for your purposes
[02:15] <gregg_> well, I still don't think "optimization like mad" is useful, especially not with interactive programs
[02:15] <Code_Dark> that's a good idea.
[02:16] <hmrocha> i downloaded the codecs from mplayer's website
[02:16] <Razor-X> hmrocha: mmmkay
[02:16] <Seveas> hmrocha, those are the same as the w32codecs package...
[02:16] <socomm> hmrocha: Both packages are about the same size.
[02:16] <Razor-X> yeah, exactly
[02:16] <popey> I just apt-get and go!
[02:16] <deprave_> bleh how do i mount my floppy drive
[02:16] <hmrocha> i'd like to know where w32codecs deb package install the codecs
[02:16] <gregg_> I normally use -O1 -march=foo and that's it
[02:16] <Razor-X> essential codecs and win32codecs are the exact same ;)
[02:16] <hmrocha> can anyone tell me the directory?
[02:16] <popey> hmrocha: dpkg -L <packagename>
[02:16] <whitefang> anyone know why flashplayer sound doesn't work? i can play windows media files in totem.
[02:16] <socomm> hmrocha: /usr/lib/win32/
[02:16] <Seveas> hmrocha, /usr/lib/win32
[02:17] <Seveas> hey!
[02:17] <hmrocha> Seveas, thanks
[02:17] <icewt> socomm, well, the controlling thing (whatever) is installed with it
[02:17] <icewt> socomm, and that's good, so the fonts can be easily adjusted
[02:17] <deprave_> oops i just type mount -a /media/floppy what did that do
[02:17] <Razor-X> I installed mine in /usr/lib/local/codecs *shrugs*
[02:17] <scott> when I'm not running gnome how do I get ubuntu to automatically mount usbdisks?
[02:17] <Seveas> deprave_, nothing bad :)
[02:17] <socomm> icewt: That's great.
[02:17] <windex> Code_Dark, just keep in mind, the livecd isin't always as successful as a full install at working with hardware. from my time in this channel, i've seen that most laptops, while they do get X running ok, do have problems with 3d acceleration.
[02:17] <deprave_> ok
[02:17] <popey> scott: mine does that anyway
[02:17] <Seveas> maybe it even mounted the floppy :)
[02:17] <adkinsj> mount -a remounts everything in fstab
[02:17] <deprave_> Seveas: how do i mount my floppy drive? i need to move a driver in a zip file up to the w2k box i'm redoing
[02:17] <icewt> Zodiac, no, you can start it by typing kcontrol
[02:17] <Seveas> deprave_, try mtools
[02:18] <Code_Dark> windex: all I'm really worried about is getting my wireless card to work. I'll probably use something like fluxbox for my xwm, so.
[02:18] <hmrocha> Seveas, totem still can't play mpeg files
[02:18] <bluefoxicy> I repeat, this is very dangerous. If at all in doubt, answer
[02:18] <bluefoxicy> no. If you know exactly what you are doing, and are prepared to
[02:18] <bluefoxicy> hose your system, then answer Yes.
[02:18] <bluefoxicy> Remove the running kernel image (not recommended) [No] ?
[02:18] <Razor-X> Code_Dark: what style is it?
Duhhhhhhhhh. . . . . . . .
[02:18] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, don't paste in here
[02:18] <bluefoxicy> shouldn't it pop up a box that asks me that
[02:18] <Code_Dark> Razor-X: the laptop or the card?
[02:18] <Razor-X> bluefoxicy: ...... why a box?
[02:18] <bluefoxicy> instead of just hanging out until I show the terminal and type yes or no?
[02:18] <jazzanova_> how do i tell my system to use localtime and not UTC ?
[02:18] <deprave_> can anyone tell me how to mount a floppy drive? =P
[02:18] <Razor-X> and why are you removing your kernel?
[02:18] <bluefoxicy> Razor-X: because the terminal doesn't show by default
[02:18] <socomm> hmrocha: Install totem-xine, you might also need to install mad.
[02:18] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, it should
[02:18] <Razor-X> Code_Dark: the card
[02:18] <hmrocha> i copied all files from the essential.....tar.bz2 file to /usr/lib/win32
[02:18] <windex> Code_Dark, ah. the default gnome install, while being gnome, dosen't seem to be as laggy as the old gnome was, so you might want to play with it for awhile before giving up since most of the configuration utilities are really easy to find using it.
[02:18] <Code_Dark> Razor-X: D-Link DWL-G650 C2
[02:18] <scott> anyone know the device name for usb ports?
[02:18] <bluefoxicy> Razor-X: so it just sits there saying it's uninstalling the package.
[02:18] <socomm> hmrocha: Follow the following link.
[02:18] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, this is a bug, please file it
[02:18] <hmrocha> socomm, mad is already installed
[02:18] <socomm> !restricted.
[02:18] <ubotu> it has been said that restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:19] <popey> scott: use lsusb to find them
[02:19] <Code_Dark> windex: hm, alright. i may.
[02:19] <aias_> bluefoxicy, say no for now, I've seen that
[02:19] <hmrocha> i have followed that link
[02:19] <socomm> hmrocha: Have you restared totem?
[02:19] <bluefoxicy> Seveas: is it not filed yet? It's been like that since early warty
[02:19] <Razor-X> bluefoxicy: not everything in Linux has a box if there's no terminal attached to it
[02:19] <seife> can anyone tell me the link to download knoppix?
[02:19] <hmrocha> yes, i restarted totem
[02:19] <Razor-X> seife: www.knopper.net
[02:19] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, hmm, odd, it should have been fixed then
[02:19] <Code_Dark> i'm used to really really really really customized systems; i use slackware and netbsd most of the time.
[02:19] <Razor-X> (IIRC)
[02:19] <shamus> I'm trying to install ndiswrapper by following a wiki, and it's been fine up until this command: sed -e "a/misc/kernel\/drivers\/net\/ndiswrapper lg" debian/rules debian/temp
[02:19] <popey> seife: knopper.net
[02:19] <scott> popey, lsusb shows my flash drive but it's not mountd in the normal /media/usbdisk
[02:19] <gregg_> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=11454
[02:19] <shamus> the error it gave me was: sed: -e expression #1, char 43: unterminated `s command
[02:19] <bluefoxicy> aias_: I know. It's safe to do if you're going to reboot right after but I'm not :)
[02:19] <hmrocha> that site says to apt-get install w32codecs
[02:19] <jazzanova_> shamus: #ndiswrapper
[02:19] <hmrocha> maybe the deb packages does something i'm not doing
[02:19] <popey> scott: oh i see.. sg_scan -i can tell you
[02:19] <socomm> hmrocha: Maybe.
[02:19] <aias_> bluefoxicy, then, my advice stands ;P
[02:19] <gregg_> know they've done it. I don't like the new modular approach for xorg
[02:20] <gregg_> s/know/now/
[02:20] <windex> Code_Dark, im looking at info on your wireless card, hold a sec. :)
[02:20] <bluefoxicy> Seveas: Yeah. I remember a general plan included making synaptic pop up a box for everything so the terminal could be hidden by default.
[02:20] <Code_Dark> windex: thanks :)
[02:20] <popey> scott: which is in the sg3-utils package
[02:20] <bluefoxicy> Seveas: it doesn't, and it is, respectively.
[02:20] <HrdwrBoB> gregg_: why not
[02:20] <seife> none of those linkx work
[02:20] <hmrocha> i'm using totem-gstreamer, maybe that's the problem
[02:20] <popey> scott: it will likely be /dev/sda1
[02:20] <shamus> jazzanova_: no one in ndiswrapper has been idle for less than 2 hours.
[02:20] <jazzanova_> how do i restart ubuntu configuration, like i had during install ? the blue screens.
[02:20] <socomm> hmrocha: I'd recommend totem-xine.
[02:20] <popey> seife: www.knopper.net
[02:20] <hmrocha> what gstreamer plugin should i use to play mpeg files?
[02:20] <popey> seife: I downloaded it earlier!
[02:20] <seife> the mirrors dont work for meh
[02:20] <socomm> hmrocha: Probably mad.
[02:21] <popey> seife: you tried them ALL!?
[02:21] <Seveas> jazzanova_, sudo base-config
[02:21] <hmrocha> mad only allows to play sound
[02:21] <gregg_> HrdwrBoB: I fear that you'll now need all kinds of GNU shit to build and run it
[02:21] <hmrocha> i want to play video too
[02:21] <jazzanova_> seveas: thanks
[02:21] <benplaut> YES!
[02:21] <Zodiac> Okay, I have determined that I am a Windows retard
[02:21] <windex> Code_Dark, it appears that some flavors of your card need an upgraded driver to function, depending on how new the firmware is. you may need to download a development enviroment and the ubuntu kernel headers and source package and then re-build the madwifi module.
[02:21] <Zodiac> I just restarted for no reason
[02:21] <HrdwrBoB> gregg_: no more so than before
[02:21] <Seveas> Zodiac, rofl
[02:21] <scott> anyone know the process or program name that automounts drives?
[02:21] <benplaut> my school finally got rid of their old complaining Mac server, and got a windows server
[02:21] <stephans> ll
[02:21] <socomm> hmrocha: gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg - FFmpeg plugin for GStreamer
[02:21] <icewt> Zodiac, you can start the control thing with kcontrol
[02:21] <popey> scott: I told you.. use sg_scan!
[02:21] <Zodiac> How do I get this application into my Gnome menus??
[02:21] <seife> no
[02:22] <Seveas> scott, pmount in combination with HAL
[02:22] <JoshRA> Where can i find a /deb for the newest verison of gaim
[02:22] <benplaut> now the iMacs can't connect, so i've got permission to put linux on them :)
[02:22] <seife> popey tell me where u downloaded it
[02:22] <socomm> hmrocha: gstreamer0.8-mpeg2dec - MPEG1 and MPEG2 video decoder plugin for GStreamer
[02:22] <Zodiac> Kcontrol you say??
[02:22] <seife> im so newbie with linux stuff
[02:22] <benplaut> wait a sec
[02:22] <deprave_> can anyone tell me how to mount a floppy drive and move files to it
[02:22] <gregg_> HrdwrBoB: if that's the case I'm ok with it
[02:22] <HrdwrBoB> gregg_: in any case, it was a complete hideous ugly disaster
[02:22] <popey> seife: http://www.mirror.ac.uk/sites/ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/linux/knoppix/
[02:22] <benplaut> can linux connect somewhat easily to a Windows server?
[02:22] <popey> seife: that took 30 seconds!
[02:22] <Code_Dark> windex: it's the 'C2' version of the card, if that helps. hm. i'll try the livecd and see if it works 'out of the box' or not, then check out the options.
[02:22] <HrdwrBoB> gregg_: it's as free as it was before
[02:22] <gregg_> HrdwrBoB: uh what is a disaster?
[02:22] <icewt> Zodiac, yes
[02:22] <popey> benplaut: connect how, file sharing?
[02:22] <popey> benplaut: printing?
[02:22] <Zodiac> Do I need to get Kcontrol first??
[02:22] <hmrocha> socomm, thanks
[02:23] <socomm> hmrocha: Try the mpeg2dec codec.
[02:23] <HrdwrBoB> gregg_: the X build process
[02:23] <icewt> Zodiac, if you installed k3b, it came with it
[02:23] <adkinsj> deprave: mount /dev/fd0
[02:23] <deprave_> bleh.
[02:23] <deprave_> thanks
[02:23] <seife> there are so much files in there.
[02:23] <seife> lol
[02:23] <seife> like 10.txt
[02:23] <windex> Code_Dark, let me get you the link i just read. the howto is mostly accurate, with a few mistakes in pathnames (namely, the symlink command they give): http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=36800
[02:23] <popey> yes
[02:23] <seife> and some other files
[02:23] <popey> and they work
[02:23] <Zodiac> okay... so how do I get kcontrol to start?
[02:23] <Seveas> HrdwrBoB, the old one yes, the new modular approach is better :)
[02:23] <Code_Dark> windex: thanks
[02:23] <popey> seife: http://www.mirror.ac.uk/mirror/ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/linux/knoppix/KNOPPIX_V3.9-2005-05-27-EN.iso
[02:23] <windex> Code_Dark, np. :)
[02:23] <icewt> Zodiac, by typing it into terminal window ;)
[02:23] <Zodiac> ah ha
[02:23] <spanglesontoast> is there anything called statgrab for ubuntu
[02:23] <seife> ok
[02:23] <Zodiac> lemme give it a try :)
[02:24] <benplaut> popey: printing and, log in via the server (i forget what you call that)
[02:24] <HrdwrBoB> Seveas: ... that's exactly what I said :P
[02:24] <spanglesontoast> as the debian normal thing doesn't work
[02:24] <popey> spanglesontoast: it's in debian, you can get the deb and install on ubuntu
[02:24] <seife> sigh
[02:24] <icewt> Zodiac, of course you could look first how the fonts in k3b look
[02:24] <seife> i cant download that, dunno why :S
[02:24] <gregg_> HrdwrBoB: yeah, but it worked
[02:24] <popey> benplaut: yes, you can, use CUPS and/or SAMBA to print
[02:24] <calamari> hi
[02:24] <Zodiac> whoa...
[02:24] <gregg_> and it did that in a cross-platform manner
[02:24] <Zodiac> its doing something...
[02:24] <popey> seife: right click, download?
[02:24] <Zodiac> uh oh
[02:24] <scott> popey, sg_scan doesn't help me get this usbdisk mounted
[02:24] <icewt> Zodiac, i don't think k3b appears in the menu either
[02:24] <HrdwrBoB> gregg_: lots of things work
[02:24] <Zodiac> getting some "warnings"
[02:25] <deprave_> what file system do i specify for mounting the floppy
[02:25] <windex> Code_Dark, btw, this machine is a duron 1400 w/ 256mb of ram and a 40gb ide drive, and it's fast and responsive running gnome. :) which, uh, should be impossible. but whatever.
[02:25] <HrdwrBoB> gregg_: doesn't mean they're not terribly ineffecient
[02:25] <popey> scott: yes it does, it tells you which device it's on
[02:25] <benplaut> popey: and the logging in... will it be much trouble?
[02:25] <icewt> Zodiac, hm?
[02:25] <calamari> I have two of every item in my System/Preferences and System/Administration menus.. can I remove these duplicates somehow?
[02:25] <f_newton> sure took some doing to get MY printer working in ubuntu
[02:25] <gregg_> HrdwrBoB: hehe, ok
[02:25] <socomm> icewt: I think you'll have to install the menu package.
[02:25] <scott> popey, automatically that is. you were right it's /dev/sda1, but I want automounting
[02:25] <Zodiac> damn... can I get k3b to show up in the Gnome menu?
[02:25] <Code_Dark> windex: I'm (will be) using a pII laptop with 128mb ram, so...
[02:25] <Zodiac> Is it possible?
[02:25] <Zodiac> Or do I have to get a gnome burning application?
[02:25] <windex> Code_Dark, you might need a smaller window manager then. :)
[02:25] <popey> scott: you on hoary? mine automounts out of the box..
[02:25] <hmrocha> socomm, it's working, thanks
[02:25] <socomm> icewt: The actual package name is `menu'.
[02:25] <huttan> Zodiac, k3b
[02:26] <adkinsj> deprave: maybe mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy
[02:26] <Code_Dark> windex: yeah, I'll probably use fluxbox or xfce
[02:26] <socomm> hmrocha: Great, have fun.
[02:26] <icewt> socomm, well, unless something has changed in few weeks, no you don't
[02:26] <seife> popey: its says "Cant shot page.
[02:26] <megatronx> anyone know what i need to install to be able to watch .asf videos? i installed the essential codecs and that didn't help.
[02:26] <benplaut> !samba
[02:26] <Zodiac> I have k3b, but I want to add it into my applications drop down menu
[02:26] <ubotu> rumour has it, samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[02:26] <benplaut> !thanks
[02:26] <icewt> Zodiac, http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/
[02:26] <ubotu> benplaut: sure thing
[02:26] <popey> seife: problem is your end, it works for me
[02:27] <Amaranth> ubotu: bad bot
[02:27] <ubotu> bad amaranth!
[02:27] <scott> alright guys, Automounting outside of gnome: run gnome-volume-manager
[02:27] <seife> yes.
[02:27] <seife> lemme try another mirror
[02:27] <Seveas> !lart the bot
[02:27] <popey> seife: use wget?
[02:27] <popey> wget that iso file
[02:27] <icewt> Zodiac, were the warnings you got from kcontrol or k3b ?
[02:27] <jazzanova_> when i use gnome desktop, mozilla has normal sized font in the menu, but if i use the ratpoison window manager, mozilla's fonts are too small. where are the fotn settings ?
[02:28] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, I just grep'ed through the kernel package for that message, it's not there
[02:28] <seife> ty.
[02:28] <Zodiac> kcontrol
[02:28] <seife> Downloading it now.
[02:28] <benplaut> Seveas, Amaranth, ubotu: what the...?
[02:28] <seife> Is there any other thing i need to run Ubuntu?
[02:28] <seife> im so newb
[02:28] <seife> lol
[02:28] <icewt> Zodiac, it works anyway?
[02:28] <Amaranth> !lart benplaut
[02:28] <Seveas> benplaut, ubotu is a bot :)
[02:28] <benplaut> i know
[02:28] <benplaut> !lart ubotu
[02:28] <Seveas> :)
[02:28] <Zodiac> I guess so
[02:28] <Zodiac> ha ha
[02:29] <benplaut> what is lart?!
[02:29] <Zodiac> hmmm
[02:29] <Zodiac> ok
[02:29] <Seveas> Luser Attitude Readjustment Tool - The tool of the BOFH
[02:29] <bluefoxicy> Seveas: try removing your running kernel
[02:29] <benplaut> !kill
[02:29] <ubotu> benplaut: I don't know, could you explain it?
[02:29] <benplaut> hmm
[02:29] <Amaranth> !lart
[02:29] <Zodiac> just a question though... if I installed the Gnome burning program, would it have put in a menu item???
[02:29] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, no thanks, I have no other kernels installed :)
[02:29] <Amaranth> err
[02:29] <hmrocha> what's the gstreamer plugin for avi files?
[02:29] <bluefoxicy> Seveas: if it DOES remove it apt-get install it back :P
[02:29] <popey> Zodiac: yes
[02:29] <popey> Zodiac: i just did it
[02:29] <bluefoxicy> Seveas: dude deleting your kernel is no big deal, it's in memory duh
[02:29] <Amaranth> damn, i can't set !lart to something :P
[02:29] <abarbaccia> Zodiac, if you're referring to gnome baker - its under accessories
[02:29] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, true
[02:29] <bluefoxicy> Seveas: it just means you can't boot, or load new modules.
[02:29] <icewt> Zodiac, maybe, maybe not
[02:30] <benplaut> !lart
[02:30] <popey> "just" :D
[02:30] <Seveas> but what if my power goes down ;)
[02:30] <scott> anyone know how to have backspace not open a new window in nautilus?
[02:30] <bluefoxicy> Seveas: (hence, reinstall it quickly, before the power goes out)
[02:30] <windex> jazzanova_, there's a gnome component you can run in the background of your non-gnome window manager to get gnome prefrences to load.
[02:30] <Seveas> :)
[02:30] <benplaut> ahh
[02:30] <benplaut> Luser Attitude Readjustment Tool
[02:30] <abarbaccia> Seveas, then you lose
[02:30] <Zodiac> I dont have gnome baker
[02:30] <windex> jazzanova_, that fixes fonts in mozilla
[02:30] <Zodiac> hmm
[02:30] <bluefoxicy> Seveas: then you say "fuck" 5 times in a sentence about buzzers and battery backup power
[02:30] <icewt> Zodiac, there are many programs that can be installed from the official reposity, and they don't appear in the menu
[02:30] <aias_> boot, boot and boot now, bluefoxicy
[02:30] <skalpel> gnome baker will not work for me, it always quit halfway
[02:30] <Zodiac> huh
[02:30] <icewt> Zodiac, but with that smeg you can fix it
[02:31] <abarbaccia> gnome baker works fine for my applications (well my little sisters) for me its cdrecord
[02:31] <skalpel> does anyone know of a gui app that sonsists of unrar
[02:31] <windex> jazzanova_, ah ha, 'gnome-settings-daemon'.
[02:31] <hmrocha> Seveas, do you know what is the plugin for gstreamer to watch divx movies?
[02:31] <abarbaccia> skalpel, whats wrong with the command line?
[02:31] <bluefoxicy> Seveas: besides, having no kernel is no big deal.
[02:31] <windex> jazzanova_, if you instruct your window manager to run gnome-settings-daemon even though it's not gnome, your settings in gnome will apply to gtk/gnome aware applications.
[02:31] <gregg_> the flash plugin works for me, but somehow it won't draw text, seems like fonts are broken/missing/whatever. anyone knows the problem?
[02:31] <bluefoxicy> livecd, chroot, apt-get install, reboot.
[02:31] <popey> skalpel: gnome archive manager
[02:31] <bluefoxicy> I'm a master of disaster recovery.
[02:31] <gregg_> I can't use the flash preferences panel at, for example. I can't see the labels etc ;)
[02:31] <Zodiac> smeg...
[02:32] <Amaranth> !smeg
[02:32] <Zodiac> What is the best way to install this?
[02:32] <ubotu> methinks smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[02:32] <abarbaccia> bluefoxicy, seems like it - but why would you need to remove the running kernel anyways
[02:32] <Zodiac> The creipt?
[02:32] <skalpel> abarbaccia: nothing.
[02:32] <HrdwrBoB> bluefoxicy: heh, that's easy, try when to fs is corrupt and you're missing disks
[02:32] <abarbaccia> wouldnt it be easier just to install a different kernel?
[02:32] <icewt> Zodiac, i gave you the link, didn't i?
[02:32] <windex> jazzanova_, i can't recall for the life of me if you need to fork that into the background or if it does it on its own.
[02:32] <bluefoxicy> HrdwrBoB: lol
[02:32] <windex> jazzanova_, does that help?
[02:32] <hmrocha> socomm, do you know the plugin for the avi files?
[02:32] <skalpel> how come when i try to use tab completion i get a beep from my computer?
[02:32] <HrdwrBoB> then you have to switch over to a different machien to do the same funciton
[02:32] <Evergreen98> anyone up to assisting with an Acer laptop wireless LAN/ACPI problem?
[02:32] <abarbaccia> skalpel, because it likes to beep - just unplug the damn beeper
[02:32] <popey> Evergreen98: which acer laptop?
[02:32] <abarbaccia> its usually the 1st thing i do with a computer
[02:32] <Zodiac> yea I guess
[02:32] <Zodiac> you did
[02:32] <Zodiac> ha ha
[02:32] <socomm> hmrocha: Probably libavcodec, or ffmeg
[02:32] <Evergreen98> Acer Aspire 1694 WLMi
[02:32] <Zodiac> damn
[02:32] <Zodiac> okay
[02:32] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, argh
[02:32] <_SWAT_> I'm using XMMS (with ALSA) and I listen to my music, but somehow songs always have some sound-skipping in them. It's only a few milliseconds everytime and Totem (movieplayer) or any other application have NO problems with playing the same files
[02:32] <Amaranth> Zodiac: please use the script
[02:32] <Zodiac> k3b looks pretty money
[02:33] <skalpel> abarbaccia: well then how come tab completion does not complete my commands
[02:33] <Seveas> that question is hacked in the scripts
[02:33] <Seveas> it's not a nice debconf question
[02:33] <Zodiac> What do I do with the script?
[02:33] <abarbaccia> skalpel, because the choice isn't there - what command are you trying to run/.
[02:33] <Zodiac> Type it into my terminal???
[02:33] <hmrocha> socomm, i'll try, thanks
[02:33] <Amaranth> hang on
[02:33] <skalpel> abarbaccia: does it work for directories too?
[02:34] <abarbaccia> yes - but dont get fooled if you put a space or invalid character you need to escape it
[02:34] <bluefoxicy> Seveas: argh indeed
[02:34] <Amaranth> Zodiac: wget http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg/installsmeg && chmod +x installsmeg && sudo ./installsmeg
[02:34] <Amaranth> Zodiac: type that into a terminal
[02:34] <Buffy> Zodiac - 3b - is very powerful a lot of options. - you are likely to burn a few coasters until the settings are right for what you want - gnomebaker is more straightforward.
[02:34] <skalpel> tab completion is my friend
[02:34] <skalpel> thank you master
[02:34] <abarbaccia> Zodiac, also k3b was written with kde libraries - baker with gnome libs - if that gets you angry (me it does)
[02:35] <Seveas> Amaranth, this is easier: wget http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg/installsmeg && sudo python installsmeg
[02:35] <Zodiac> yea that does
[02:35] <Seveas> :)
[02:35] <abarbaccia> skalpel, did you get it?
[02:35] <Buffy> Hi AmaRANTH, sEVEAS, (iiiears)
[02:35] <Evergreen98> popey: I've checked out some posts on the forum, but it's not exactly working... I think there's a problem with the PNP bios and I need to do something with the DSDT to get it to work as intended
[02:35] <icewt> hmm.. i didn't use the script to install smeg, and i don't even seem the have all packages it "requires". works flawlessly anyway :)
[02:35] <abarbaccia> skalpel, and if you hit tab 2x fast it lists options
[02:35] <z] bandito> hello
[02:35] <z] bandito> whats the command to remove a user?
[02:35] <Seveas> or: sudo python - < curl http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg/installsmeg 2>/dev/null
[02:35] <skalpel> abarbaccia: options for what?
[02:35] <Amaranth> icewt: I won't support and/or help users that don't have the gnome-menus 2.10.2 packages
[02:35] <popey> Evergreen98: i dont know that one sorry
[02:36] <Seveas> z] bandito, deluser
[02:36] <Zodiac> okay... smeg should be installed... lets see here
[02:36] <z] bandito> oh yeah.. thanks
[02:36] <BTJustice> I am trying to install KDE following the directions at http://www.kubuntu.org/documentation.php.
[02:36] <BTJustice> When I enter "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" I get this...
[02:36] <Evergreen98> popey: s'ok, thanks anyways
[02:37] <skalpel> how do wildcards work in linux?
[02:37] <icewt> Amaranth, well, that i do have. why is that script installing libgnome-menu-dev ?
[02:37] <BTJustice> Reading package lists... Done
[02:37] <BTJustice> Building dependency tree... Done
[02:37] <BTJustice> E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-desktop
[02:37] <Amaranth> icewt: So that gnome-devel will be installable.
[02:37] <Seveas> BTJustice, are you running wart?
[02:37] <Seveas> BTJustice, are you running warty?
[02:37] <Zodiac> Okay, so I can use the package manager to delete programs right??
[02:37] <suranta> guys can i use quanta on gnome?
[02:37] <Seveas> or did you not enable installiong from the network?
[02:38] <windex> wow. 2 ops at one time! new record.
[02:38] <BTJustice> I am running the latest Ubuntu
[02:38] <Amaranth> Seveas: Is this a new game we're playing?
[02:38] <Amaranth> :D
[02:38] <BTJustice> I start with Linux yesterday, lol.
[02:38] <f_newton> yeah tag yer it
[02:38] <Zodiac> Does the synaptic package manger delete programs?
[02:38] <Amaranth> Zodiac: yes
[02:38] <Seveas> Zodiac, you can use it for deletion too
[02:38] <f_newton> then you've dont a good job so far BTJustice
[02:39] <Zodiac> excellent...
[02:39] <Seveas> bye all
[02:39] <f_newton> night
[02:39] <_SWAT_> nn
[02:39] <BTJustice> There si nothing about KDE in the list.config file
[02:39] <BTJustice> I can;t even edit it in Gnome.
[02:39] <Madpilot> hi everyone
[02:40] <aias_> BTJustice, trust me on this, if you're running hoary, there is something wrong in your /etc/sources.list :)
[02:40] <BTJustice> So how do I install KDE in Ubuntu correctly?
[02:40] <suranta> can quanta use on gnome? i've tried to apt-get but it's error
[02:41] <BTJustice> I had that pasted...
[02:41] <Zodiac> Mark for complete uninstallation is what I would want??
[02:41] <Zodiac> right?
[02:42] <BTJustice> What is that paste site?
[02:42] <Buffy> BTJustice - make sure your apt sources list is correct then use apt-get or better synaptic to install kubuntu-desktop. ubotu has the link for correctig you repositories if needed.
[02:42] <aias_> BTJustice, replace your /etc/apt/sources.list (sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list) with http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[02:42] <Buffy> !repos
[02:42] <ubotu> rumour has it, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[02:42] <aias_> then try again
[02:43] <Buffy> Hi Amaranth, Seveas. :)
[02:43] <Zodiac> hmmm
[02:43] <suranta> ???
[02:44] <Goodspeed> any reason why x.org wont recognize my pci-express graphix card?
[02:44] <gregg_> BTJustice: did you run "sudo apt-get update"? you'll need to do this after fiddling around in your sources.list
[02:44] <Zodiac> When uninstalling using the package manager, I want "mark for complete uninstallation"?
[02:44] <Zodiac> yes / no?
[02:45] <BTJustice> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/943
[02:45] <Amaranth> Zodiac: if you don't plan on reinstalling it, sure
[02:45] <icewt> Zodiac, i guess it removes the configuration files too. that's okay to you i guess?
[02:45] <BTJustice> I think sources.list is the problem. How do I edit it to get KDE?
[02:45] <Zodiac> yes?
[02:45] <icewt> Zodiac, depends on whether you want to keep the settings you've possibly changed or not
[02:46] <gregg_> BTJustice: yep, it is the problem. your only source for packages is the ubuntu cd-rom so far
[02:46] <aias_> BTJustice, everything is commented out, therefore not gettable :)
[02:46] <Zodiac> ahh I gets it
[02:46] <Zodiac> naw
[02:46] <Zodiac> I just want it all gone
[02:46] <BTJustice> So what do I need to do?
[02:46] <BTJustice> I don;t know what "commented out" means.
[02:46] <Madpilot> ping cafuego
[02:46] <Goodspeed> is anyone using a pci-express graphics card?
[02:46] <Slipaway172> kubuntu
[02:47] <gregg_> BTJustice: uncomment all lines with "deb" at the beginning (remove # and trailing space)
[02:47] <aias_> BTJustice, commented out, means it has a # in front
[02:47] <Zodiac> well I did it
[02:47] <Zodiac> lord knows if it worked
[02:47] <icewt> Zodiac, good for you. next you can learn to use apt-get --purge remove program , which does the same ;)
[02:47] <BTJustice> How do I edit?
[02:47] <BTJustice> It only opens in read-only
[02:48] <BTJustice> I have it open with gedit
[02:48] <abarbaccia> BTJustice, open it as sudo
[02:48] <BTJustice> How do I do that?
[02:48] <magdeburger> sudo gedit
[02:49] <Zodiac> he he
[02:49] <Zodiac> well.... I only "think" it is really gone
[02:49] <BTJustice> IN the root terminal?
[02:50] <magdeburger> when you open it in the root terminal you don't need the sudo, but if you open the normal terminal then you need the sudo
[02:50] <icewt> Zodiac, what "it" is then?
[02:50] <magdeburger> bad english, sorry
[02:50] <Zodiac> ummm
[02:50] <Zodiac> k3b
[02:50] <fredforfaen> so whats up peeps
[02:50] <icewt> Zodiac, er.. i didn't work?
[02:50] <Zodiac> I went with Gnomebaker
[02:50] <gregg_> icewt: you should know for yourself ;-)
[02:51] <Goodspeed> whats the kernel version command?
[02:51] <icewt> Zodiac, did you even try it?
[02:51] <Slipaway172> man i just recieved the stupidest japanese email that makes NO sense. if u want to read it just open a chat window
[02:51] <gregg_> Slipaway172: engrish?
[02:51] <gregg_> Goodspeed: uname
[02:51] <Slipaway172> kinda
[02:51] <icewt> gregg_, k3b & kcontrol works flawlessly, just by installing k3b
[02:51] <Goodspeed> that just gives me linux
[02:51] <BTJustice> Ok it is getting updates after I get rid of all "# "
[02:52] <Buffy> uname - a is everything
[02:52] <gregg_> Goodspeed: uname -a
[02:52] <gregg_> Goodspeed: man uname
[02:52] <gregg_> Slipaway172: I'm interested :)
[02:52] <Buffy> man uname "who?"
[02:52] <Buffy> j/k
[02:53] <BTJustice> I am going top close everything while doing apt-get upgrade, thanks guys
[02:57] <Slipaway172> wierd this is the first time i have seen a admin not in here at a given time
[02:57] <benplaut> how hard is it, in ubuntu PPC, to set it up so that the computer can log in to a Windows server, like you can log in from any one the windows computers?
[02:57] <deprave_> i can't believe it's this difficult to get a floppy drive to work/do what i want
[02:57] <benplaut> deprave_: linux is about cutting-edge. floppy is so 90's :P
[02:57] <JoshRA> Where can i find a /deb for the newest verison of gaim
[02:58] <benplaut> you can't
[02:58] <benplaut> you can find an autopackage, though
[02:58] <jasoncohen> JoshRA, it's in backports
[02:58] <deprave_> why can i not copy a driver to a floppy drive so i can get another box working, heh.
[02:59] <deprave_> er floppy disk
[02:59] <hondje> did you mount the floppy, all the obvious things?
[02:59] <benplaut> jumpdrive :P
[03:00] <benplaut> Slipaway172: they're here... just hidden
[03:00] <glyph1> hi
[03:00] <benplaut> hello
[03:00] <skalpel> hi
[03:00] <piksi> anyone able to help with sata hdd and dvd-r (nec scsi??) not being recognized by the installation of ubuntu?
[03:00] <deprave_> i attempted to mount /media/floppy which wanted me to specify a filesystem so i chose -a =P then someone told me to do mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy
[03:01] <deprave_> i didn't think it needed file system information specified since all i have to do is type mount/umount /media/cdrom for a cd
[03:01] <glyph1> 5 more days and im back to my computer
[03:01] <lexhider> can anyone give me info on difference between hibernate vs shutdown, and more specifically why I would choose to shutdown instead of hibernating on a single user desktop machine?
[03:01] <hondje> deprave_: it gets tricky...for your cdrom there's an entry in /etc/fstab, so it knows what device to mount there
[03:02] <hondje> deprave_: but it 'should' know what filesystem the floppy has, because it'll check them all in absence of specification IIRC....is it formated?
[03:02] <JoshRA> jasoncohen: #Hoary-Extras
[03:02] <JoshRA> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted deb
[03:02] <JoshRA> io have that
[03:02] <glyph1> hibernating saves your state shutdown everything is closed
[03:02] <JoshRA> but it does not pullit
[03:03] <jasoncohen> JoshRA, no- gaim is in backports. hoary-extras contain packages that aren't in ubuntu
[03:03] <deprave_> handje: i think they were formated fat*
[03:03] <jasoncohen> backports contain new upstream releases of packages that are already in ubuntu
[03:03] <lexhider> glyph1, no power-usage difference?
[03:03] <benplaut> !backports
[03:03] <ubotu> hmm... backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[03:03] <glyph1> none at all bucause hibernate shuts the computer down also
[03:04] <deprave_> this is ridiculous, i'm about to waste a cdrom on a 400Kb text file
[03:04] <glyph1> it just saves what you were doing first
[03:04] <JoshRA> Thanks jasoncohen and benplaut
[03:04] <hondje> deprave_: try mounting a known-good floppy
[03:04] <benplaut> deprave_: then use a floppy! MUHAHAHAHA!
[03:05] <jasoncohen> JoshRA, if you don't want to use backports, you can use the autopackage which also works and has a nice gui installer
[03:05] <lexhider> glyph1, thanx
[03:05] <glyph1> your welcome
[03:05] <jasoncohen> JoshRA, but backports also includes many other popular apps
[03:05] <glick> hey does anyone know when we can expext breezy to be releaesd?
[03:05] <jasoncohen> glick, october
[03:05] <Will_> every 6 months!
[03:05] <JoshRA> jasoncohen: :) thanks i did not know the link for backports. I was lookingf ro it before i asked
[03:05] <JoshRA> thansk
[03:05] <Slipaway172> who wants a gmail account? open a dialog with me if u want one?
[03:05] <glick> hey how is evolution?
[03:06] <glick> is it worth using?
[03:06] <benplaut> everyone who wants one already has one
[03:06] <hondje> I like evolution
[03:06] <hondje> But lots of people prefer thunderbird
[03:06] <glick> how is it compared to kontact
[03:06] <HrdwrBoB> Slipaway172: gmail is somewhat passe now
[03:06] <hondje> I don't really know, sorry
[03:06] <glyph1> how bout the gui installer which version will that be in?
[03:06] <Slipaway172> i have invites
[03:06] <benplaut> glick: evolution is like Outlook... thunderbird is like Outlook Express
[03:06] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: you here?
[03:06] <HrdwrBoB> Slipaway172: so do a hojillion other people
[03:06] <Slipaway172> what?
[03:06] <Madpilot> HrdwrBoB: is that a real number? ;)
[03:07] <HrdwrBoB> Madpilot: indeed
[03:07] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: trying to be
[03:07] <Razor-X> Slipaway172: if you were in the first set, then you were reall special
[03:07] <benplaut> :P
[03:07] <Razor-X> the second set of invites are special
[03:07] <Razor-X> the third set, is ok
[03:07] <Razor-X> after that, invites became really widespread
[03:07] <benplaut> i was in the second set :)
[03:07] <kaplanfx_> is there an ubuntu bug database where I can check if a bug I am having is a known bug?
[03:07] <Razor-X> benplaut: same here ;)
[03:07] <HrdwrBoB> bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[03:07] <glyph1> bye
[03:07] <Razor-X> s/reall/really/
[03:07] <kaplanfx_> HrdwrBoB: thanks
[03:07] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: I got anohter idea
[03:07] <Razor-X> but, I don't know if it is a one-person thing, or not
[03:07] <hybrid_goth> -offtopic bro
[03:08] <Razor-X> exactly
[03:09] <kaplanfx_> anyone else use btdownloadmanycurses.bittornado ??
[03:09] <deprave_> lol this is hilarious, so i get the floppy drive icon on my desktop and i don't have permissions to move the file from the desktop the the floppy drive
[03:09] <Slipaway172> Razor-X, first set?
[03:09] <glick> i thought ubuntu had xfce4.2.2 by now
[03:09] <jasoncohen> hmm, autopackages are quite nice
[03:09] <benplaut> glick: nope... got 4.2.1
[03:09] <whitefang> ubuntu describe wine
[03:09] <jasoncohen> installing inkscape .42 from autopackage
[03:09] <whitefang> ubuntu wine
[03:10] <whitefang> damn, i can't remember that good wine installation guide i looked at the other day
[03:10] <cs378> how do we hack in linux?
[03:10] <whitefang> i think it came from ubuntu
[03:11] <benplaut> cs378: i think that's taboo in here...
[03:12] <benplaut> ubotu tell whitefang about wine
[03:12] <_SWAT_> what a great quote! "To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up your Windows box, you just need to work on it"
[03:12] <benplaut> yup...
[03:12] <benplaut> but very overused
[03:12] <_SWAT_> so what? It's true isn't it?
[03:12] <benplaut> yup
[03:13] <_SWAT_> so let the people use it :)
[03:13] <_SWAT_> I'm now proving to ALL of my friends (fanatic Windows users) how usefull linux is and that it IS desktop-ready
[03:13] <_SWAT_> already got one hooked a few days ago
[03:13] <equex> lol
[03:13] <DiegoMax> hello
[03:14] <cs378> is there a way to config X-Chat so the the list displays like the original mIRC?
[03:14] <_SWAT_> he doesn't even want to boot Windows up anymore, unless he really needs to (for windows-only programs :P)
[03:14] <cs378> channel list
[03:14] <cs378> oh nvm
[03:14] <vader1102> I am waiting for my disks to come then I will have a bunch of converts
[03:14] <cs378> got it
[03:14] <dockane> does anybody know what makes ubuntu's firefox text so cute and debian's so ugly ? i may post 2 screenshots if you need to compare
[03:14] <DiegoMax> i need some simple answers..can somebody help me
[03:14] <DiegoMax> ?
[03:14] <Madpilot> _SWAT_: one similar quote I like: (it's nastier than yours...) "Play a Windows CDRom backwards and it plays Satanic messages. But that's nothing, play it forwards and it installs Windows."
[03:14] <mark_> hi everyone, I'm having a problem with pam_ldap...
[03:14] <mark_> from /var/log/auth.log (client) "Invalid user maksym from ::ffff:127.0.0.1"
[03:14] <mark_> more info at: http://pastebin.com/328874
[03:14] <equex> i lost my keymappings and cant seem to work it out,. so i have to boot into windows to write letters in my native language
[03:14] <mark_> can someone help me?
[03:14] <_SWAT_> Madpilot, ROFL!
[03:15] <vader1102> mark_: if they know the answer they will tell you
[03:15] <Madpilot> _SWAT_: that was somebody's sig line on a forum somewhere - no idea where it came from originally. anyway, </MS bashing>
[03:15] <vader1102> trust me (great people in here)
[03:15] <DiegoMax> what are the minimum system requeriments to run ubuntu?
[03:16] <equex> windows is a damn stable desktop OS... worse wjhen it comes to servers tho
[03:16] <benplaut> DiegoMax: what's your system?
[03:16] <mark_> vader1102: I don't doubt it, thats why I'm here
[03:16] <_SWAT_> vader1102, just be 'normal' with the ordering of the Ubuntu CD's. Making them, packaging them etc. costs a lot of money. Keep that in mind :D
[03:16] <dockane> this is the debian screenshot : http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3430/debff8aw.png --------- and this the ubuntu screenshot : http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/2890/ubuntuff2cd.png ------ what did ubuntu changed / where do i have to look for ?
[03:16] <DiegoMax> i have a good system, but i was wondering if i can install it on an old AMD450Mhz laptop...???
[03:16] <vader1102> _SWAT_: no worries lol
[03:17] <benplaut> DiegoMax: yeah, but i recommend XFCE instead of Gnome for older systems
[03:17] <DiegoMax> ok, is that selectable from the Installation?
[03:17] <_SWAT_> dockane, maybe another (standard) system font/size?
[03:17] <vader1102> DiegMax: I am using it on a p2 366 right now with GNOME
[03:17] <benplaut> although, to tell you the truth, Gnome runs OK on 500mhz machines
[03:17] <benplaut> whoa
[03:17] <benplaut> that's pretty amazing...
[03:17] <_SWAT_> benplaut, really?
[03:17] <vader1102> and it runs great!!!!
[03:18] <DiegoMax> interesting
[03:18] <_SWAT_> that's really amazing
[03:18] <benplaut> is it fast enough for general use?
[03:18] <Buffy> any pointers to a PCI-E howto?
[03:18] <_SWAT_> and XFCE is pretty 'light' (I use it because it's usually faster :P)
[03:18] <benplaut> !xfce
[03:18] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, xfce is a lightweight Desktop Environment that uses GTK. to install, "sudo apt-get install xfce4". http://www.xfce.org/
[03:18] <benplaut> i use it on my PDA :)
[03:18] <Buffy> !pci-e
[03:18] <ubotu> Buffy: I give up, what is it?
[03:18] <Buffy> PCI express
[03:19] <benplaut> !pci-express
[03:19] <ubotu> benplaut: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[03:19] <benplaut> hmm
[03:19] <_SWAT_> benplaut, cool. It's it standard or did you 'hack' it?
[03:19] <benplaut> what?
[03:19] <Buffy> benplaut - exactly. - :?
[03:19] <benplaut> oh the PDA
[03:19] <Shinikake> hi everyone, i'm looking for documentation on using ndiswrapper, it seems their wiki is down. can anyone direct me to some documentation?
[03:19] <_SWAT_> yeah
[03:19] <dockane> _SWAT_, the font configuration on both gnome desktops is the same
[03:19] <vader1102> I am almost possitive that my windows buddies will be amazed, I know the Linux pro;s I know are
[03:19] <_SWAT_> dockane, do you use the same graphics drivers?
[03:19] <benplaut> _SWAT_ it's a zaurus, so a little bit of tweaking is required to give it X, and put on XFCE
[03:20] <benplaut> !ndiswrapper
[03:20] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[03:20] <benplaut> Shinikake: ^^
[03:20] <Shinikake> thanks alot!
[03:20] <Madpilot> vader1102: the LiveCD is a great selling tool - just keep reminding people that it won't affect their harddrive or installed OS at all
[03:20] <benplaut> !thanks from Shinikake
[03:20] <ubotu> benplaut: pas de quoi
[03:20] <_SWAT_> benplaut, hehehe, would be nice if it was a PALM or something :D. Could post a picture of your zaurus sometime? (with xfce?) :D
[03:21] <dockane> _SWAT_, nope : the ubuntu system runs a nvidia card, the debian an ati but that shouldn mess it up like this doesnt it ?
[03:21] <benplaut> sure... i'm trying to figure out how to do a screenshot :P
[03:21] <Kyral> f-spot BUG!!!
[03:21] <vader1102> Madpilot: I here ya
[03:21] <Kyral> !bugzilla
[03:21] <palandia> hi there
[03:21] <ubotu> rumour has it, bugzilla is http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[03:21] <_SWAT_> Madpilot, vader1102, PLEASE be carefull with the liveCD. It's kinda slow (in comparison to Knoppix)
[03:21] <Madpilot> _SWAT_: be careful how?
[03:21] <gregg_> people might be negatively affected
[03:21] <vader1102> _SWAT_: I have been
[03:21] <benplaut> ubotu tell bitchchecker about hacker
[03:21] <_SWAT_> Madpilot, because it's really slow. That could be a downer for a lot of people
[03:21] <benplaut> :P
[03:22] <bitchchecker> lol
[03:22] <benplaut> :P
[03:22] <bitchchecker> that story is hilarious
[03:22] <vader1102> I use it only to show the capabilities
[03:22] <_SWAT_> benplaut, take a digicam and make a picture :P
[03:22] <Kyral> !info f-spot
[03:22] <palandia> anyone can help me configuring my X server please with UniChrome
[03:22] <ubotu> f-spot: (personal photo management application), section universe/gnome, is optional. Version: 0.0.12-0ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 519 kB, Installed size: 1940 kB
[03:22] <Madpilot> _SWAT_: hmm, true. although when I put the LiveCD into my grandfather's Win98 machine, it was about as fast as his badly-borked Win98 install... seriously!
[03:22] <benplaut> bah... can't show off the VGA screen like that :P
[03:22] <gregg_> why is it so slow? doesn't the ubuntu live-cd use a compressed filesystem, like knoppix?
[03:22] <palandia> please! help me!
[03:22] <_SWAT_> Madpilot, damn :-|
[03:22] <dockane> bitchchecker : its already translated into japanese / found it on a japanese blog
[03:22] <benplaut> ubotu tell palandia about xserver
[03:22] <InquiringMind> can somebody help me transfer songs from my iriver to my linux box?
[03:23] <gregg_> palandia: unichrome, as in via epia?
[03:23] <dockane> _SWAT_, no idea ?
[03:23] <benplaut> umm
[03:23] <_SWAT_> dockane, the drivers could be it though. Do have the original ATI drivers @ debian? Or the standard system drivers?
[03:23] <Razor-X> can you guys give me examples of popular Terminal emulators? I already know about Eterm, aterm, xterm, Konsole, Terminal, rxvt, and urxvt
[03:23] <benplaut> i added that last night...
[03:23] <palandia> VIA/S3 Unichrome Graphics
[03:23] <Madpilot> _SWAT_: yeah, I was surprised, actually. I'd warned him it might be slow running off his CD drive, but it was pretty decent by his standards!
[03:23] <benplaut> !xorg
[03:23] <palandia> VIA/S3 Unichrome Graphics
[03:23] <ubotu> benplaut: I don't know
[03:23] <Kyral> Anyone else have this, install f-spot but not have Mono pulled in?
[03:23] <dockane> _SWAT_, original drivers
[03:23] <bgstratt> funny
[03:23] <benplaut> !xserver-xorg
[03:23] <ubotu> benplaut: I haven't a clue
[03:23] <gregg_> palandia: basically works out of the box
[03:23] <benplaut> damn
[03:23] <palandia> K8m800
[03:23] <Razor-X> no examples? or did no-one hear me? ;)
[03:23] <dockane> _SWAT_, but the problem existed with the system drivers too
[03:23] <Razor-X> oooh
[03:24] <gregg_> if you want DRI it's a bit of work though
[03:24] <_SWAT_> dockane, then I don't know sorry.
[03:24] <Madpilot> InquiringMind: what happens when you just plug the iRiver in?
[03:24] <Razor-X> my last sentence was the 280,000th line XD
[03:24] <palandia> i didnt understood that out of the box?
[03:24] <palandia> i didnt understood that out of the box?
[03:24] <glick> hmm im trying to connect to my schools imap server but i cant through evolution
[03:24] <benplaut> !xconfig
[03:24] <ubotu> benplaut: I don't know, could you explain it?
[03:24] <airmikey> trying o compile this program but i get this error after i do ./configure ... error: Could not find XpmReadFileToPixmap in -lXpm.
[03:24] <gregg_> palandia: you don't need to do anything special to get it wo work. it should just work [tm]
[03:24] <glick> Error while Scanning folders in "IMAP server imap.mail.drexel.edu".
[03:24] <glick> Cannot get LIST information for pattern `*' on IMAP server imap.mail.drexel.edu: Bad command.
[03:24] <Razor-X> glick: what is the error?
[03:24] <glick> i get that error
[03:24] <_SWAT_> benplaut, will you be making a screenie/photo of your zaurus? :D
[03:24] <Razor-X> glick: are you sure the IMAP server works?
[03:25] <benplaut> ubotu xserver is to reconfigure your Xserver, type into a terminal "sudo dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg" (without the "")
[03:25] <ubotu> benplaut: okay
[03:25] <palandia> i have done dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86
[03:25] <glick> Razor-X, i dont know
[03:25] <glick> lemme ping it
[03:25] <benplaut> _SWAT_ as soon as i figure out how, yup :P
[03:25] <Razor-X> glick: not just pinging
[03:25] <Razor-X> but, does the server daemon work right?
[03:25] <Slipaway172> the prime time glick, that is a funny show
[03:25] <Razor-X> (because, from what I can tell, evolution is sending the command ``LIST *'', and the server isn't understanding)
[03:25] <palandia> but when i do startx my screen goes unreadble it seems like a FB console but nothing readble
[03:25] <gregg_> palandia: so does it work then?
[03:25] <glick> i got 8% data los from the server
[03:25] <palandia> no
[03:25] <Razor-X> can you guys give me examples of popular Terminal emulators? I already know about Eterm, aterm, xterm, Konsole, Terminal, rxvt, and urxvt
[03:25] <spanglesontoast> does anyone know if I can get amarok with podcasting?
[03:25] <gregg_> palandia: ah ok
[03:25] <palandia> my driver is vesa
[03:26] <benplaut> ubotu tell palandia about xserver
[03:26] <hosler> Can someone help me setup my externel sound card?
[03:26] <benplaut> !sound
[03:26] <ubotu> methinks sound is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[03:26] <gregg_> palandia: better try the "via" driver first
[03:26] <_SWAT_> benplaut, when you do. Please PM me the URL :)
[03:26] <palandia> and anything like an X server running
[03:26] <Razor-X> spanglesontoast: get amarok?
[03:26] <benplaut> _SWAT_ sure thing :)
[03:26] <palandia> i have warty
[03:26] <Razor-X> a podcast generally outputs in MP3 or OGG
[03:26] <spanglesontoast> no mean't like the latest one
[03:26] <spanglesontoast> it was saying about podcasting
[03:26] <palandia> and i do not have the option via in the dpkg-reconfigure
[03:26] <icewt> Razor-X, i don't think it's that popular, but i like pterm
[03:26] <Razor-X> icewt: thanks, i'll check it out
[03:26] <airmikey> well
[03:27] <hosler> Can someone help me setup my externel sound card?
[03:27] <glick> http://www.drexel.edu/irt/support/tips/outlook/outlookx5/outlookx5.html
[03:27] <bgstratt> wow, mad traffic in here
[03:27] <Razor-X> icewt: i'm trying to make a show that introduces the beginner to the command-line
[03:27] <gregg_> palandia: ok, that's too old. get hoary :)
[03:27] <benplaut> palandia: maybe hoary will work better?
[03:27] <skapple> is ubuntu linux unsecure at all?
[03:27] <Razor-X> bgstratt: this is pretty common ;)
[03:27] <bgstratt> I bet
[03:27] <glick> thats my schools tutorial that im following on setting up the client
[03:27] <palandia> ough
[03:27] <spanglesontoast> ah
[03:27] <spanglesontoast> dw
[03:27] <Razor-X> icewt: the more choices I can review, the better
[03:27] <Razor-X> glick: try Thunderbird, as a test as well
[03:27] <gregg_> skapple: it's like melting swiss cheese
[03:27] <palandia> how do i upgrade from warty to hoary?
[03:28] <palandia> i wont be able to download the iso of hoary
[03:28] <benplaut> palandia: do you have alot of settings or files in hoary?
[03:28] <benplaut> oh
[03:28] <gregg_> palandia: order or download the CD
[03:28] <Kyral> skapple, its VERY secure
[03:28] <palandia> homer: ough!
[03:28] <palandia> kakaka
[03:28] <gregg_> you can order it for free :)
[03:28] <benplaut> upgrade from warty to hoary is kinda borked, AFAIK
[03:28] <benplaut> gregg_: well, mine took 3 months, but anyway...
[03:28] <gregg_> benplaut: ouch :)
[03:28] <palandia> ok.... any good url to download hoary?
[03:28] <vader1102> benplaut: I did it with np
[03:28] <palandia> fast i mean
[03:29] <airmikey> trying o compile this program but i get this error after i do ./configure ... error: Could not find XpmReadFileToPixmap in -lXpm
[03:29] <benplaut> the torrent is pretty fast
[03:29] <bimberi> benplaut: is it? it worked ok for me (a few months ago admittedly)
[03:29] <william> the very nature of installing a different os makes upgrading foolhardy at best
[03:29] <glick> damn i have to install thunderbird
[03:29] <Razor-X> icewt: that term looks awesome
[03:29] <bungopolis> Having changed no system settings, my bootloader grub now just sits saying "GRUB _" at the top of the screen, with the "_" part flashing... what might have happened? I'm currently booting to the live CD to try and reinstall grub
[03:29] <Razor-X> I may just replace Eterm with pterm
[03:29] <bimberi> benplaut: the upgrade that is
[03:29] <glick> i was hoping in wouldnt have to
[03:29] <glick> im not a hige fan of tbird
[03:29] <palandia> is hoary the 5 ubuntu version?
[03:29] <avanspronsen> palandia: you just need to update /etc/apt/sources.list, replace warty with hoary
[03:29] <icewt> Razor-X, heh
[03:29] <william> grub... she be gone
[03:29] <benplaut> bimbiri: that's what i've heard in the forum... i never tried it myself
[03:29] <Razor-X> icewt: Eterm's image support is really nice
[03:29] <palandia> it is my first time with ubuntu
[03:30] <Razor-X> glick: just as a test
[03:30] <avanspronsen> palandia: then do a sudo apt-get update and then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:30] <palandia> and i will be upgraded to ?????? hoary? ubuntu 5? are them the same?
[03:30] <vader1102> hehehe I just sold a system where I volunteer today with the warty release
[03:30] <avanspronsen> palandia: hoary is 5.04
[03:30] <Razor-X> icewt: is it in the repos, because the downloads aren't there
[03:31] <palandia> ok now i am clear...
[03:31] <bimberi> benplaut: hm ok - i used the process that avanspronsen has just outlined - it worked ok but an install from cd does look different
[03:31] <gregg_> skapple: actually, ubuntu has a backdoor so that canonical can spy on all its users!
[03:31] <gregg_> skapple: but don't tell that anyone!
[03:31] <william> gregg_, its linux ... all backdoors can be closed
[03:31] <vader1102> brb
[03:31] <icewt> Razor-X, should be
[03:31] <airmikey> anyone here running ,pekwm wm ?
[03:31] <william> simply write a rule for iptables
[03:31] <palandia> but upgrading with apt is the same than downloading the hoary iso?
[03:32] <benplaut> !lart warty
[03:32] <cafuego> william: With a proper bckdoor, iptables won't help much.
[03:32] <gregg_> palandia: you'll probably download less stuff
[03:32] <benplaut> palandia: in theory...
[03:32] <william> cafuego, nonsense
[03:32] <Madpilot> benplaut: cool. when did ubotu learn to do that?
[03:32] <avanspronsen> palandia: should be, I haven't done any kinda side by side comparison though
[03:32] <william> if I close the door you aint opening it
[03:32] <gregg_> william: yeah right. the rootkit is directly integrated into the customized kernel.
[03:33] <cafuego> william: In the kenrel, bypass the ipt rules. Easy.
[03:33] <bimberi> palandia: it should be. My experience was that my system was a little different to a native hoary install - but it worked fine
[03:33] <supernix> Help my Gnome and KDE seems to be trying to interoperate at the same time
[03:33] <icewt> Razor-X, ..and if you didn't really try it but used for example google to search for it, pterm is not pTerm, which is that opengl thing google seems to show first
[03:33] <benplaut> !tell madpilot about lart
[03:33] <palandia> and the apt upgrade will upgrade all my kernel files and the other stuff?
[03:33] <palandia> i have an amd64
[03:33] <palandia> so i have downlaoded the warty for amd64 iso
[03:33] <Madpilot> cafuego: does ubotu keep basic records of how many times it's used various responses?
[03:33] <benplaut> it should...
[03:33] <supernix> I have the default desktop wallpaper even thought I am running KDE and it wont let me change it in the Control pannel
[03:33] <Razor-X> icewt: I see
[03:33] <cafuego> !factinfo repos
[03:33] <ubotu> repos -- created by Hieronymus <[email protected]> at Sat Jul 9 22:04:59 2005 (25 days); it has been requested 67 times, last by Buffy, 51m 29s ago.
[03:34] <palandia> does hoary has the amd64 iso?
[03:34] <william> ok whatever... if you think you can get in without leaving a record of your visit down to the last byte... give it a shot
[03:34] <icewt> Razor-X, but pterm is in universe
[03:34] <palandia> anyway the upgrade with apt will upgrade my kernel for amd64?
[03:34] <bungopolis> can anyone give me a hand restoring my GRUB installation? It seems to have been corrupted somehow. The live CD does not have the grub install tool. Can I boot to the install disc and skip directly to the install bootloader section?
[03:34] <Razor-X> another term i'm seeing is wterm...
[03:34] <cafuego> william: No, it's illegal. Anyway,I'm talking hypothetical. it can be done.
[03:34] <gregg_> palandia: yeah
[03:34] <Razor-X> ddterm
[03:34] <bimberi> palandia: yes
[03:34] <william> if you leave a trail I can shut it down
[03:34] <avanspronsen> palandia: yes
[03:34] <benplaut> the best terminal is xfterm :)
[03:34] <william> period
[03:34] <gregg_> palandia: like said, it *should* :)
[03:34] <palandia> thank you guys
[03:34] <gregg_> no guarantees here :)
[03:34] <palandia> i will be upgrading my system
[03:35] <icewt> Razor-X, never heard of that pTerm before the google search i just did ;)
[03:35] <palandia> thamkyou very much
[03:35] <william> yes theoretically you can get in until the port sniffer finds the traffic
[03:35] <bimberi> palandia: yw :) good luck
[03:35] <Razor-X> benplaut: it's not in the repos (as far as I can tell)
[03:35] <Madpilot> cafuego: so "factinfo <foo>" then? thanks
[03:35] <william> then it shut down or forwarded
[03:35] <cafuego> Madpilot: Yep
[03:35] <william> and yer outa luck
[03:35] <supernix> cafuego: hypothetically anything if possible
[03:35] <palandia> bye bye
[03:35] <awb4422> I am installing mythtv, and the installer creates a mythtv user - I added the user to the sudo'ers list, but I want it to use the same shell as a normal user created during the install. how do I change that?
[03:35] <benplaut> Razor-X: apt-get install xterminal
[03:35] <bigfoot1> hello everyone. i'm leaving my home soon and I need quick help. I'd like to be able to access my ubuntu computer from halfway accross the world. I heard i could install 2 programs called VNC and FreeNX. AFter I install them, what do i do?
[03:35] <benplaut> the name is different
[03:35] <Razor-X> benplaut: ohhh, xterminal
[03:35] <cafuego> william: With the right kernel hack, the portsniffer can be made to not report certain traffic.
[03:35] <Madpilot> cafuego: just thinking of getting some stats to apply to other Ubuntu projects - you know, "what do people actually ask about"
[03:35] <benplaut> !factinfo ubotu
[03:35] <ubotu> ubotu -- created by Madpilot <[email protected]> 21h 3m 59s ago; it has been requested 2 times, last by apokryphos, 1h 43m 29s ago.
[03:35] <supernix> that is why they call it hypothesis instead of fact
[03:36] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, I would also recommend a SSH server (to encrypt the data)
[03:36] <Razor-X> benplaut: be careful, I call my emacs shell Esh, but, that already exists ;)
[03:36] <gregg_> william: and I guess you are constantly looking a gigs of data flowing through your net, just waiting for something like that?
[03:36] <icewt> Razor-X, there's no cool whistles and bells in pterm, maybe that's why i like it
[03:36] <Kyral> !lart Windows
[03:36] <avanspronsen> bigfoot1: do you have a firewall?
[03:36] <Razor-X> so I have to call it by the full name, Eshell
[03:36] <william> gregg_, not gigs no...
[03:36] <cafuego> Madpilot: *nod* I can probably do that for you via sql a bit easier; just have a 'popular factoids' page on the bot website.
[03:36] <benplaut> Kyral: sweeeet...
[03:36] <Kyral> Go GO GADGET UBOTU!
[03:36] <Razor-X> icewt: Eterm has nice background support, and pseudo-transperancy
[03:36] <Kyral> !lart Windows
[03:36] <benplaut> !lart ubotu
[03:36] <Madpilot> cafuego: that would be interesting to see
[03:36] <Razor-X> I have a few gripes with Eterm though
[03:36] <icewt> Razor-X, which is kind of useless ;)
[03:36] <benplaut> hey!
[03:36] <william> but the firewall appliance is constantly monitoring traffic and comparing it with legitimate demand
[03:36] <Kyral> lol
[03:36] <Razor-X> some stuff doesen't display right
[03:36] <bimberi> lol
[03:37] <cafuego> Madpilot: Just a minute..
[03:37] <bigfoot1> _SWAT_, okay thanks. i did a search on synaptic for "vnc", but there are many files with the letters "vnc" in them. i have gotten already vnc-common and xvncviewer. should i get other vnc-named files?
[03:37] <Razor-X> icewt: well, why aren't you using rxvt then?
[03:37] <Kyral> !lart Ubotu
[03:37] <benplaut> i used to live an hour from luisville!
[03:37] <glick> too bad that gmail does not support imap
[03:37] <Kyral> Ah
[03:37] <Razor-X> and also, backspace registers as C-h
[03:37] <bigfoot1> avanspronsen, i heard ubuntu/linux is safe, so i have no firewall running.
[03:37] <Kyral> simple, nice, stab
[03:37] <Razor-X> glick: gmail supports POP3, IIRC
[03:37] <icewt> Razor-X, haven't tried it. pterm works great
[03:37] <Razor-X> bigfoot1: more safe than Windows can ever be
[03:37] <Kyral> hmm
[03:37] <gregg_> william: yeah ok, so one could be detected
[03:37] <glick> yeah but pop sucks cause if your computer dies so does all your email
[03:37] <william> it usually forwards unwarranted port requests to a dump log that is checked if certain flags are set
[03:37] <william> oh yeah
[03:37] <bigfoot1> do i have to install other vnc files?
[03:37] <bigfoot1> which ones?
[03:38] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, if you use Ubuntu you have a remote sofware thingie installed (it's vnc based, so you can use any vnc viewer)
[03:38] <william> and with detection comes ending
[03:38] <hosler> Can someone help me setup my externel sound card?
[03:38] <avanspronsen> bigfoot1: I would still run a firewall. I have a hardware based firewall as well
[03:38] <gregg_> william: but what's "legitimate demand"?
[03:38] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, you just need to tunnel it using SSH (otherwise all the world can look too)
[03:38] <benplaut> !factinfo microsoft
[03:38] <ubotu> microsoft -- created by benplaut <[email protected]> 17h 30m 7s ago.
[03:38] <cs378> anyonw know what to install for the python editor?
[03:38] <Razor-X> icewt: Eterm, with images, uses quite a bit less memory than rxvt, considered the smallest ;)
[03:38] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, a firewall VERY recommended
[03:38] <benplaut> !factinfo windows
[03:38] <ubotu> windows -- created by tiglionabbit <[email protected]> at Wed Jul 6 19:15:16 2005 (28 days); it has been requested 21 times, last by Amaranth, 4d 3h 20m 33s ago.
[03:38] <bigfoot1> _SWAT_, so i don't need to do anything to my computer anymore? I could access my Ubuntu hard drive (here in Japan) from my family's computer in North America?
[03:38] <william> well trying to sneak in a port not used for general traffic or coming up the downstream of auto updaters
[03:38] <bigfoot1> _SWAT_, how do i tunnel it?
[03:38] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, System -> Preferences -> Remote Desktop
[03:38] <Kyral> !info Windows
[03:38] <Razor-X> I like images in the background, because, staring at a blank term all day is maddening ;)
[03:39] <william> attempts at stealth
[03:39] <william> etc etc
[03:39] <avanspronsen> bigfoot1: Freenx is much better than VNC
[03:39] <gregg_> that's very general
[03:39] <Kyral> !lart Bill_Gates
[03:39] <Razor-X> avanspronsen: but muhc harder to install
[03:39] <spanglesontoast> is there any podcasting clients in the repos?
[03:39] <glick> what port does imap mail listen on?
[03:39] <Razor-X> !lart Steve Jobs
[03:39] <avanspronsen> Razor-X: I installed in 10 seconds just today
[03:39] <bigfoot1> i don't see freenx in synaptic, avanspronsen
[03:39] <william> the best way to access a closed box is to simulate legitimate traffic and NOT try to sneak in the backdoor
[03:39] <benplaut> OK, OK.... don't crash the bot :P
[03:39] <gregg_> the rootkit could just make a ssh connection to somewhere. what's not "legitimate" about it?
[03:39] <Razor-X> avanspronsen: it's proven to be difficult on non-UNIX machines
[03:39] <avanspronsen> bigfoot1: you need to add hoary extra repos
[03:39] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, if you have a SSH server running and the Remote Desktop enabled (with password offcourse) you can login to your PC using SSH (with which you can also tunnel it) and then connect with a VNC viewer to the localhost and it's done
[03:40] <Kyral> Okay, I fell ashamed asking this, but what does renice 20 -u do?
[03:40] <Razor-X> Kyral: man ;)
[03:40] <Kyral> !lart Microsoft
[03:40] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, the tunnel is created by the CLIENT (so from America)
[03:40] <avanspronsen> Razor-X: the server or the client?
[03:40] <Razor-X> avanspronsen: I don't think the server is installable on Windows
[03:40] <william> ok now... lets talk ubuntu and the disabled root acct gregg_
[03:40] <avanspronsen> Razor-X: the client was dream to install on windows
[03:40] <Razor-X> oh, my bad then ;)
[03:40] <oni> how do I install from a .bin file?
[03:40] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, just make sure you can CONNECT to your computer using SSH and that the remote server thingie is running
[03:40] <gregg_> lol
[03:40] <bigfoot1> what command EXACTLY do i run to get sudo access to my sources.list?
[03:41] <glick> do you know what port imap mail uses by default?
[03:41] <icewt> Razor-X, however, pterm is based on putty, and butty = good ;)
[03:41] <gregg_> william: yeah ok. what about it?
[03:41] <icewt> er.. putty
[03:41] <glick> im trying to connect to the mail daemon using telnet
[03:41] <Razor-X> icewt: yeah, I saw that
[03:41] <bigfoot1> _SWAT_, how do i know whether the remote server (on my ubuntu) is running?
[03:41] <spanglesontoast> is there any podcasting clients in the repos?
[03:41] <skapple> can a vesa frambuffer do 1280x1024?
[03:41] <avanspronsen> bigfoot1: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:41] <Razor-X> Putty's pretty nice
[03:41] <benplaut> bigfoot1: "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list"
[03:41] <william> how are you going to root kit that?
[03:41] <william> you have to have keyboard access
[03:41] <Razor-X> spanglesontoast: use bashpodder, it's all you'll ever need
[03:42] <gregg_> william: it's not really hard to reactivate the root account
[03:42] <_SWAT_> Go to SYSTEM - PREFERENCES - REMOTE DESKTOP. If you enable sharing and require a password it's OK (it's already up and running)
[03:42] <bigfoot1> what line do i add to sources list to get hoary extra repos?
[03:42] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, Go to SYSTEM - PREFERENCES - REMOTE DESKTOP. If you enable sharing and require a password it's OK (it's already up and running)
[03:42] <tiglionabbit> does beep-media-player and xmms use binary codecs or gstreamer?
[03:42] <Razor-X> spanglesontoast: I use one of the bashpodder modifications in the modifications place on the site
[03:42] <avanspronsen> bigfoot1: there is some doc on the wiki...I don;t have it on me :-(
[03:42] <jode> does any one know anything about "Wine"?
[03:42] <bigfoot1> _SWAT_, okay, i have checks in all the boxes in the Remote Desktop dialog window.
[03:42] <william> but the whole point of my argument, gregg_ is that you dont need to backdoor someone to climb up their pipe
[03:42] <Razor-X> jode: I've never drunk Wine, but i've used WINE ;)
[03:43] <spanglesontoast> so I cannot get ipodder
[03:43] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, just enable the two things under SHARING (remote desktop) and set a password under security (DON'T enable 'ask you for confirmation')
[03:43] <bigfoot1> avanspronsen, if i have checks in all the boxes in the Remote Desktop dialog window, i don't need freenx, do i?
[03:43] <gregg_> william: but it doesn't even matter as you can do about everything with sudo. if you can insmod, you have total control
[03:43] <oni> anyone knows the commands for installing java from a .bin file?
[03:43] <jode> I am having trouble with it.
[03:43] <bigfoot1> _SWAT_, what happens IF i enable "ask you for confirmation"?
[03:43] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, DON'T check "ask you for confirmation"
[03:43] <Razor-X> spanglesontoast: it's not in the repos, and it needs a billion python packages
[03:43] <gregg_> william: the whole backdoor thing was a joke
[03:43] <avanspronsen> bigfoot1: not if you are happy with VNC
[03:43] <spanglesontoast> so you like it and tried it I get it lol
[03:43] <Razor-X> jode: shoot
[03:43] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, then if someone wants to connect the user logged in needs to click something or so
[03:43] <bungopolis> ...my GRUB has somehow become corrupted. Can anybody _please_ give me a hand in restoring it? I'm running the installer in expert mode but trying to install grub always fails, presumably becuase I haven't completed any of the earlier steps.
[03:43] <Razor-X> spanglesontoast: I didn't like it
[03:43] <gregg_> william: skapple asked this ridiculous question :)
[03:44] <spanglesontoast> ah
[03:44] <Razor-X> s/like/try/
[03:44] <spanglesontoast> so it will work
[03:44] <spanglesontoast> ?
[03:44] <glick> you think the sys admin would get mad if i nmapped the mail server?
[03:44] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, and make sure you have and SSH-server isntalled and running (and you can log in to it from the internet)
[03:44] <Razor-X> bungopolis: what is the error?
[03:44] <william> oh...
[03:44] <Razor-X> glick: doubt it
[03:44] <InquiringMind> can somebody help me to get my iriver to work so that I can transfer files with nautilus?
[03:44] <Razor-X> but why?
[03:44] <jode> I can get it to open Adobe photoshop, but I can't put in any info and key- it won't type in anything.
[03:44] <bigfoot1> avanspronsen, i am not familiar with any remote desktop software, this is my first time doing remote desktop/remote access. I just want a nice non-geeky way (read: graphical) to access my ubuntu PC (here in Japan) from my family's Windows XP pc (in North AMerica).
[03:44] <william> so you really dont think the ubuntu dev team installed a sneak door?
[03:44] <Razor-X> aren't you just checking for the working-ness of the IMAP daemon?
[03:44] <bungopolis> Razor-X when I boot up I just get a black screen with "GRUB _" in the top left (the _ is flashing) and it stalls forever
[03:44] <bungopolis> having changed nothing to my configuration
[03:44] <bigfoot1> _SWAT_, how do i know if i f ssh-server installed and running?
[03:44] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, you NEED an SSH tunnel, otherwise even your passwords are sent in cleartext :S
[03:44] <cafuego> Madpilot: www.ubuntu.cc.com.au/pop.php
[03:45] <gregg_> william: of course not
[03:45] <william> ok ...
[03:45] <glick> hmm port 143 is open imap but when i do telnet the.server.name:43
[03:45] <Razor-X> bungopolis: what's the error in grub-install ?
[03:45] <glick> i get unknown service
[03:45] <Razor-X> glick: the.server.name:143 ;)
[03:45] <Buffy> InquiringMind, - i am a bit new but dmesg will give you info on whether the os sees your iriver.
[03:45] <InquiringMind> thanks buffy
[03:45] <f_newton> oh lordy I just realized I have two xchats running... lol
[03:45] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, "apt-get install openssh-server" I guess
[03:46] <Razor-X> InquiringMind: what's the problem with the iRiver?
[03:46] <bigfoot1> _swat_ when i'm on my family's windows pc, how do i locate my ubuntu pc (here in Japan)? Do i have to write down some technical info?
[03:46] <avanspronsen> bigfoot1: VNC will do, FreeNX is nicer and more responsive. Just make sure you go over SSH
[03:46] <Madpilot> cafuego: thanks very much. as I suspected: RootSude & repos right at the top, and the various restricted formats
[03:46] <TheSin> is there a know problems with dhclient3 in breezy?
[03:46] <glick> Razor-X, thats what i do
[03:46] <Razor-X> bigfoot1: you need to write down the IP
[03:46] <william> I am gonna shut this one down...
[03:46] <bungopolis> Raxor-X: when I first select "Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk" it says "The grub package failed to install into /target/. etc. etc. Continue anyway?" Press yes, no to MBR, choose to install to /dev/sda5, then it simply errors "An installation step failed with no helpful information"
[03:46] <_SWAT_> I use this way (SSH and VNC/remote desktop) to connect to my home pc from school. :)
[03:46] <glick> i get this...
[03:46] <glick> telnet: could not resolve 144.118.31.17:143/telnet: Name or service not known
[03:46] <bigfoot1> Razor-X, my ubuntu's ip? how do i find out my IP?
[03:46] <bimberi> bigfoot1: to see if it's running - ps aux | grep sshd
[03:46] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, you NEED the IP offcourse
[03:46] <f_newton> heh thats better
[03:46] <cafuego> Madpilot: Yeah, that's what all th windows kids need. divx and root!
[03:46] <spanglesontoast> god I'm compiling gaim-pt
[03:46] <Razor-X> bungopolis: have you tried ``grub-install /dev/hddX'' ?
[03:46] <spanglesontoast> how long.......
[03:46] <bungopolis> Raxor-X: I mean it says "An installation step failed..." with no other helpful information
[03:46] <bigfoot1> bimberi, the command i run is - ps aux | grep sshd?
[03:47] <Razor-X> where hddx is the address to your hdd
[03:47] <avanspronsen> bigfoot1: from a terminal type ifconfig to get your ip
[03:47] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, is it the only machine connected there? (no router whatsoever) and does it use a static IP?
[03:47] <Razor-X> bigfoot1: ``ifconfig''
[03:47] <Madpilot> cafuego: pretty much!
[03:47] <Razor-X> bigfoot1: or, www.whatismyip.com ;)
[03:47] <bungopolis> Razor-X grub-install command cannot be found from the install CD terminal
[03:47] <bimberi> bigfoot1: ps aux | grep sshd (to see if it is running yes)
[03:47] <Buffy> cafuego - java, flash, and active-x, surfing as root. ;)
[03:47] <bigfoot1> _SWAT_, yes this is the only computer in my japan home. there is no router. i don't know if it uses static ip.
[03:47] <Buffy> j/k
[03:47] <oni> anyone knows the commands for installing java from a .bin file?
[03:47] <bungopolis> Razor-X I suppose I could boot to the live CD and download grub-install, eh?
[03:48] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, it is DSL or Cable internet or dialup?
[03:48] <Mechcozmo> question about the bootloader
[03:48] <Buffy> lol
[03:48] <glick> never mind im an idiot it does work
[03:48] <Mechcozmo> i'm "upgrading
[03:48] <glick> lol
[03:48] <Mechcozmo> "
[03:48] <Mechcozmo> to Win2K from WinXP
[03:48] <Mechcozmo> how do i update bootloader?
[03:48] <spanglesontoast> you go in and edit it
[03:48] <bigfoot1> _SWAT_, it's not dialup. it's like dsl, i think.
[03:48] <TheSin> maybe a bad driver?
[03:48] <cafuego> Mechcozmo: That's a windows question, no?
[03:48] <benplaut> !grub
[03:48] <ubotu> [grub] http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto
[03:48] <Mechcozmo> er
[03:48] <bigfoot1> _SWAT_, it's a high speed, always on connection.
[03:48] <Code_Dark> YAY
[03:48] <Code_Dark> YAY
[03:49] <glick> ok it works
[03:49] <Code_Dark> ubuntu (livecd) works with my wifi card
[03:49] <Code_Dark> yayayay
[03:49] <glick> never mind im an idiot
[03:49] <glick> lol
[03:49] <Code_Dark> <3 ubuntu now
[03:49] <Mechcozmo> cafuego, since Windows didnt install a bootloader...
[03:49] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, then I think you have a static IP. www.whatsmyip.org gives you your IP (check if it's the same as "ifconfig" says)
[03:49] <Code_Dark> windex|coding: thank you <3
[03:49] <icewt> bigfoot1, you could use http://www.dyndns.com/services/dns/dyndns/
[03:49] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, --> I NEED to know this
[03:49] <Buffy> Mechcozmo, Easier to edit it there are a bunch of examples to follow. ubotu has the link
[03:49] <cafuego> Mechcozmo: Normlly it would overwrite the MBR.
[03:49] <Buffy> !grub
[03:49] <ubotu> well, grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto
[03:49] <DRPAS> hi there
[03:49] <windex|coding> Code_Dark, yay.
[03:49] <bigfoot1> _SWAT_, what do you need to know ?
[03:49] <DRPAS> i guys
[03:49] <Code_Dark> windex|coding: straight off the livecd, too, doesnt even req. me to reload anything
[03:49] <Mechcozmo> so, will Windows hose GRUB?
[03:49] <Code_Dark> :)
[03:49] <DRPAS> i am upgrading my distro trough apt
[03:49] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, then I think you have a static IP. www.whatsmyip.org gives you your IP (check if it's the same as "ifconfig" says)
[03:49] <cafuego> Mechcozmo: Yes.
[03:50] <Mechcozmo> and to un-hose it?
[03:50] <windex|coding> Code_Dark, didn't mean to scare you off, just wanted you to know there could be a hiccup since it's very easy for people to say something is outright supported.
[03:50] <cafuego> Mechcozmo: So after the windows install, boot off cd, reinstall grub, add windows back to menu.lst.
[03:50] <Mechcozmo> ok
[03:50] <bigfoot1> yes, whatsmyip.org gives same IP address as ifconfig.
[03:50] <Mechcozmo> ill ask for help when i get there :-p
[03:50] <Madpilot> !windows
[03:50] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, windows is Everything runs in linux. Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office, or find an !alternative
[03:51] <benplaut> !alternative
[03:51] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, alternative is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant
[03:51] <glick> in evolution how can i automatically teach it what is junk and have it automatically send it to the junk folder
[03:51] <benplaut> ahh
[03:51] <spanglesontoast> when I have compiled a program how do I make it into a .deb?
[03:51] <glick> does evolution learn to identify junk?
[03:51] <benplaut> spanglesontoast: make checkinstall
[03:51] <spanglesontoast> that's it?
[03:51] <Buffy> Mech, - absolutely - there is a way to use the ntloader. - takes a bit of work one time but it saves time later. with windows reinstalls. use dd to copy the first 512 bytes of your working linux mbr - google ntloader boot.lnx
[03:51] <bigfoot1> bimberi, jeff@ubuntu:~$ ps aux | grep sshd
[03:51] <bigfoot1> jeff 933 0.0 0.2 3768 720 pts/1 S+ 10:52 0:00 grep sshd
[03:51] <spanglesontoast> sounds easy
[03:51] <spanglesontoast> :)
[03:51] <bigfoot1> bimberi, does this mean it's running?
Code_Dark, didn't mean to scare you off, just wanted you to know there could be a hiccup since it's very easy for people to say something is outright supported.
[03:52] <benplaut> how hard is it, in ubuntu PPC, to set it up so that the computer can log in to a Windows server, like you can log in from any one the windows computers?
[03:52] <benplaut> brb
[03:52] <Code_Dark> you didnt, i just had to wait for the livecd to download, windex|coding :p
[03:52] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, then I think you have a static IP. www.whatsmyip.org gives you your IP (check if it's the same as "ifconfig" says) and tell me
[03:52] <windex|coding> Code_Dark, :D
[03:52] <spanglesontoast> makes me wonder what the ppc version is liek
[03:52] <bigfoot1> _SWAT_, yes whatsmyip.org gives same ip number as ifconfig.
[03:53] <bimberi> bigfoot1: no it isn't running - if you try the command again you'll probably get no result
[03:53] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, that's a good thing. Then you won't need to do port-forwarding (saves a lot of work)
[03:53] <spanglesontoast> www.portforward.com
[03:53] <spanglesontoast> :)
[03:53] <_SWAT_> spanglesontoast, I know. But now don't confuse him (he doens't need it)
[03:53] <bigfoot1> bimberi, i ran that same command again, and i got some results again. i guess this is good? or isn't it good?
[03:53] <_SWAT_> bigfoot1, and as icewt says, dyndns could be a good solution
[03:54] <spanglesontoast> oh
[03:54] <spanglesontoast> what he just got a modem
[03:54] <spanglesontoast> ?
[03:54] <DRPAS> a quetion please
[03:54] <DRPAS> i have warty
[03:54] <_SWAT_> spanglesontoast, if he has a dialup (or at least dynamic IP) then he NEEDS dyndns
[03:54] <bigfoot1> i'm on the http://www.dyndns.com/services/dns/dyndns/ site, what do i do now? sorry, i'm so rushed. i have no time to browse around.
[03:54] <DRPAS> my install cd has download 203 mb after instalation
[03:54] <spanglesontoast> lol dialup is along way in the usa lol
[03:54] <bimberi> bigfoot1: it doesn't matter. The important thing is that you don't have a line with "/usr/sbin/sshd" in it. That would indicate that it is running.
[03:55] <DRPAS> now i am upgrading distro via apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:55] <bigfoot1> bimberi, so what must i do now? would i still have access to my ubuntu pc even without ssh running?
[03:55] <DRPAS> and it says that will download 49 mb
[03:55] <Buffy> !ubotu pci-express is http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2005/04/msg00545.html (yep it's vague and awful but ubuntu wiki is empty.) cafuego ?
[03:55] <ubotu> Buffy: okay
[03:55] <DRPAS> after that i will be with hoary??
[03:56] <Kyral> !lart Dial-Up
[03:56] <bimberi> bigfoot1: sudo apt-get install ssh (will install it)
[03:56] <Kyral> !lart Vista
[03:56] <spanglesontoast> hopefully drpas
[03:56] <DRPAS> hello?
[03:56] <TheSin> anyone ever see this?
[03:56] <TheSin> RTNETLINK answers: Cannot assign requested address
[03:56] <TheSin> during dhcp
[03:57] <Kyral> DRPAS, assuming you have the right repos, YES!
[03:57] <DRPAS> the repos that came in the Warty iso
[03:57] <Kyral> then no....
[03:57] <Kyral> those are the Warty repos
[03:57] <glick> do you have to keep evolution open for it to check for mail or does it have a little daemon that does it for you and notifies you?
[03:57] <DRPAS> but if i do a dist-upgrade?
[03:57] <bigfoot1> i've gotten a tar.gz file from http://www.dyndns.com/support/clients/. i guess i need this client to work with dyndns right? how do i install tar.gz files?
[03:57] <DRPAS> what it does then?
[03:58] <Kyral> do a sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and everywhere it says Warty put Hoary
[03:58] <bigfoot1> bimberi, okay. i've just gotten ssh.
[03:58] <Kyral> then save it
[03:58] <bigfoot1> bimberi, now what.
[03:58] <bungopolis> glick we wish it had a daemon!
[03:58] <bigfoot1> how do i run a tar.gz file?
[03:58] <DRPAS> aaaa ok
[03:58] <Kyral> THEN do the Dist-Upgrade
[03:58] <bigfoot1> run/install/work with a tar.gz file
[03:58] <bimberi> bigfoot1: see if it has started with the ps command from earlier
[03:58] <DRPAS> and then what it id doing my dist-upgrade????????
[03:58] <DRPAS> with the warty repos?
[03:58] <Kyral> its upgrading to the latest stuff in Warty :P
[03:58] <bigfoot1> bimberi, jeff@ubuntu:~$ ps aux | grep sshd
[03:58] <bigfoot1> root 1107 0.0 0.5 3472 1508 ? Ss 10:58 0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd
[03:58] <bigfoot1> jeff 1149 0.0 0.2 3768 720 pts/1 S+ 10:59 0:00 grep sshd
[03:59] <bimberi> bigfoot1: there you are - it is running now :)
[03:59] <bigfoot1> bimberi, okay thanks. how do i install a tar.gz file+
[03:59] <bigfoot1> ?
[03:59] <DekaPink> Well... My Ubuntu's internet is working now... I reinstalled for lack of knowing anything better to do.
[03:59] <MrRagga> bigfoot1: usually tar xzvf FILE
[04:00] <oni> anyone knows the commands for installing java from a .bin file?
[04:00] <bigfoot1> when i'm on the windows pc (in canada), will i be able to access my ubuntu pc (in japan) in graphical mode?
[04:00] <Kyral> Got is DRPAS?
[04:00] <bungopolis> MrRagga that would be how to _extract_ a tar.gz file
[04:00] <bigfoot1> MrRagga, thank you.
[04:00] <MrRagga> bigfoot1: cd DIR && ./configure && make && make install <- depends on the installation, look for a README or a INSTALL, usually it is described there
[04:00] <besian> i can't find Synaptic Package manager (im new to Linux)
[04:00] <bigfoot1> MrRagga, i did usually tar xzvf FILE. is that all i need to do?
[04:00] <bimberi> bigfoot1: can i ask what you're installing from tar.gz? If it's available in the ubuntu repositories it's much better to install from there
[04:01] <bungopolis> bigfoot1 a tar.gz file is just something like a zip file, it can contain anything. But it is very often used to package source for installation. extract the file as MrRagga mentioned, but you'd then need to enter the directory where it was extracted and read the README or INSTALL file. Usually it will just tell you to run "make" followed by "make install"
[04:01] <MrRagga> oni: chmod u+x BIN_FILE && ./BIN_FILE
[04:01] <Madpilot> besian: System - Admin - Synaptic Package Mngr
[04:01] <bigfoot1> bimberi, someone here recommended i get dynamicdns stuff from http://www.dyndns.com/support/clients/
[04:01] <whitefang> wine: '/home/tyler/.wine/wineserver-kwewu' must not be accessible by other users
[04:01] <whitefang> how do i make it not accessible to other users?
[04:01] <bimberi> bigfoot1: oh ok - i dunno much about that - fair enough :)
[04:02] <gregg_> whitefang: chmod 700 file
[04:02] <whitefang> what's the text flag for it?
[04:02] <whitefang> chmod g-r file?
[04:02] <besian> Madpilot thank you
[04:02] <oni> thanks!
[04:02] <gregg_> whitefang: go-rwx
[04:02] <bungopolis> bigfoot1 but in the debian/ubuntu world we tend to avoid that method of installation and look for deb (debian package files) instead. Always check your repositories with synaptic or "apt-cache search xxx", otherwise check online for a deb to download and install manually. THis way you can manage upgrades and uninstallation in a much easier way.
[04:02] <bimberi> bigfoot1: although I think there is a package for that - "ddclient"
[04:02] <test01> HELLO
[04:03] <bigfoot1> bimberi, bungopolis okay thanks. i'll delete the folder that tar .... installed. and then i'll get it from syncaptic
[04:03] <Kyral> test01, hello, please don't shout
[04:04] <bungopolis> bigfoot1: if it's not in synaptic check out http://www.apt-get.org/ for a great searchable site of deb files from many sources. If you find what you want,simply download it and run "sudo dpkg -i xxx.deb"
[04:04] <spanglesontoast> is nessus useful?
[04:04] <drcode> hi all
[04:04] <test01> install core what next?
[04:04] <drcode> I want to setup my voice modem as answer machine
[04:04] <drcode> Any one can help me?
[04:04] <bigfoot1> bungopolis, okay. good news. ddclient is in synaptic.
[04:05] <drcode> what is ddclient?
[04:05] <besian> where can i find a nice ubuntu guide?
[04:05] <Doonz> can you guys recomend a better cd ripper program than the one that come with ubuntu?
[04:05] <hondje> besian: ubuntuguide.org? But that's not the prefered method, the wiki is good
[04:05] <besian> thank you
[04:05] <bigfoot1> icewt, i got ddclient from synaptic and i chose dynadns as my host/whatever thingy. now what? it's asking for my "dynadns domain names".
[04:06] <hondje> drcode: Look into 'asterix'
[04:06] <Madpilot> besian: wiki.ubuntu.com to start
[04:06] <MrRagga> drcode: it sends your (dynamic) ip address to dydns.org or another dyndns provider, to set up a dns name for your IP address
[04:06] <Code_Dark> oh, wow.
[04:06] <test01> how to start the gui
[04:06] <besian> thank you
[04:06] <hondje> or 'asterisk' something like that
[04:06] <Code_Dark> i just booted up my ubuntu livecd.
[04:06] <Code_Dark> and tried my wifi outside.
[04:06] <Code_Dark> i really, really like ubuntu.
[04:06] <drcode> nice
[04:06] <HrdwrBoB> Code_Dark: good :)_
[04:06] <Code_Dark> i used to think that nix sucked for desktops.
[04:06] <Code_Dark> i've changed my mind.
[04:06] <hondje> Code_Dark: Welcome to the dark side
[04:06] <Gatton> Code_Dark, now it's time to install to the hard drive ;)
[04:06] <drcode> but I have regular modem of USR
[04:06] <drcode> why astrix?
[04:07] <MrRagga> Doomgaze: RipperX
[04:07] <holycow> Code_Dark, its all about polish, and slowly we are getting there
[04:07] <MrRagga> Doonz: RipperX
[04:07] <holycow> and as was said, yes, welcome to the dark side
[04:07] <MrRagga> Doomgaze: sorry
[04:07] <holycow> >_>
[04:07] <Doomgaze> MrRagga, np
[04:07] <hondje> drcode: it's what I used to set up my pbx, maybe their site can give you an idea of what software to use for it
[04:07] <drcode> what wrong with vgetty?
[04:07] <Code_Dark> Gatton: of course, I'm downloading the iso as we chat
[04:07] <glick> yah i guess the server is down
[04:08] <Code_Dark> holycow: it's the only OS (including Windows) that has supported my wifi card out of the box.
[04:08] <hondje> Nothing at all, I have no clue how much you know or don't know about what you need, so I pointed in the direction of a general solution
[04:08] <bigfoot1> icewt, i have registered for an account at dynadns.org. now what? how do i use ddclient with that?
[04:08] <weex> what's the best way to install wine on hedgehog?
[04:08] <Code_Dark> Gatton: yeah, I just wanted to try it before formatted over slackware :p
[04:08] <Gatton> Code_Dark, it's not perfect but it's awfully nice. i ran into a few kinks in the beginning but this room and the ubuntuguide are very helpful
[04:08] <holycow> Code_Dark, i haveto admit, that is very unusual
[04:08] <hondje> welcome back, bigfoot1, long time no see ;-)
[04:08] <weex> ne1 ne1?
[04:08] <Gatton> Code_Dark, understandable. I left Suse for Ubuntu :)
[04:09] <holycow> you lucked out with having a supported card, usually its like pulling teeth
[04:09] <kaffeend> heya
[04:09] <bigfoot1> hondje, yes, i've been using the ubuntu mailing list to get answers for the past few weeks. good to see you again.
[04:09] <icewt> bigfoot1, i don't know how it happens with that program. maybe there's a config file in /etc/ddclient ?
[04:09] <uniscript> Gatton: why the change? I'm trying to compare
[04:09] <holycow> but thats only because its about having access to open source drivers ... companies don't seem to understand how it benefits them to write open source drivers
[04:09] <weex> wine...has anyone installed it? what's the preferred way to get ahold of packages for ubuntu?
[04:09] <glick> something strange how come when i use the ip address i get immediate ping replys
[04:09] <glick> but when i use the name i get 100% loss
[04:10] <adkinsj> weex: I am trying to get wine going myself
[04:10] <Code_Dark> holycow: i don't care if it's unusual, it works! :D
[04:10] <Gatton> uniscript, i'll be honest. I really really liked Suse 9.2. But upgrade problems caused me to check out the alternatives and I was just really impressed by Ubuntu
[04:10] <holysmokes> glick: name is not resolving to that ip
[04:10] <Keegan> howdy, does anyone know if it is possible to use ubuntu with the dell wireless 1450 card? that is really what is stalling my conversion to linux.
[04:10] <weex> adk...did you run into problems?
[04:10] <adkinsj> I tried three different methods.. none seem to work
[04:10] <holycow> :) Code_Dark hehe, yeah me2
[04:10] <bimberi> bigfoot1: you have to go to http://www.dyndns.org and set up an account. Then you should have the details you need for ddclient
[04:10] <Code_Dark> hehe
[04:10] <Buffy> glick - configure the settings for your isps dns servers
[04:10] <Gatton> I installed it first in vmware and was surprised by how polished it was and how everything just seemed to work
[04:10] <glick> holycow, what could cause that
[04:10] <kaffeend> Can someone give me a some tips on where to learn Unix etc please? I just want to learn all there is to know about the command line lol
[04:10] <bigfoot1> bimberi, gotcha. should i enable "wildcard" option?
[04:10] <adkinsj> weex: all seem to fail when it comes time to get IE
[04:10] <holysmokes> glick - not sure, try 'dig host.domain' and see what it resolves to as well as which name servers answer it
[04:10] <weex> i've just installed ubuntu last night for the first time. why would you wnt ie? adkinsj
[04:11] <adkinsj> at that point it believes my internet connection is down
[04:11] <Code_Dark> kaffeend: I'd recommend downloading Knoppix and booting it with the parameters 'knoppix2
[04:11] <Code_Dark> '
[04:11] <bimberi> bigfoot1: not sure sorry
[04:11] <icewt> bigfoot1, there's "Configuring ddclient" http://ddclient.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=doc
[04:11] <holysmokes> glick - where 'host.domain' is the host in question of course ;)
[04:11] <Doonz> MrRagga i installed it but how do i add it to the menu?
[04:11] <bigfoot1> wait. i'm not sure if i'm doing the right thing. do i run and install ddclient on my ubuntu pc (the server) or on the windows pc (north america)?
[04:11] <Madpilot> kaffeend: linuxcommand.org is a good starting point
[04:11] <adkinsj> weex: I use that to test web pages and possibly run other games
[04:11] <kaffeend> Code_Dark thanks - what's that?
[04:11] <Buffy> kefeend - take a look at these sites and the ubuntu wiki. tldp.org and linuxquestions.org
[04:11] <benplaut> what is it called to set up Ubuntu (or any computer, for that matter) so that the computer can log in to a Windows server, like you can log in from any one the windows computers in a school computer network?
[04:11] <kaffeend> thanks Madpilot
[04:11] <weex> adkinsj, that makes sense...one needs ie for the other people if not for themselves
[04:11] <weex> i just wanted to run yahelite
[04:12] <glick> i got an answer from dig
[04:12] <Code_Dark> kaffeend: it's a livecd linux. it lets you boot into linux from cd, without reformatting. booting with knoppix 2 let's you start in the command line, and you can play around.
[04:12] <bigfoot1> icewt. i'm not sure if i'm doing the right thing. do i run and install ddclient on my ubuntu pc (the server) or on the windows pc (north america)?
[04:12] <holysmokes> glick: does it match the IP you expected?
[04:12] <icewt> bigfoot1, you run it on the machine you want the name you choose to point to
[04:12] <glick> holycow, yes but its in reverse
[04:12] <weex> adkinsj, i know that's a bit of blasphemy when i'm here in irc but so be it
[04:12] <Keegan> is there a way to get ubuntu to run internet off of the dell wireless 1450 card?
[04:12] <adkinsj> weex, hehe
[04:12] <benplaut> Keegan: broadcom?
[04:12] <kaffeend> Code_Dark ok - I'll leave it til I have a replacement CDRom then ;)
[04:12] <bigfoot1> icewt, okay, so i guess it's this ubuntu pc which i want to access from North America.
[04:12] <benplaut> ubotu tell Keegan about ndiswrapper
[04:13] <holycow> glick, your addressing the wrong person
[04:13] <weex> adkinsj, actually it's very nice that they get all the ubuntu people together right out of the box
[04:13] <MrRagga> Doonz: what?
[04:13] <bimberi> bigfoot1: you need to run ddclient on your "home" computer so that, from anywhere in the world, you can connect to bigfoot1.dyndns.org and it will always go to your PC, regardless of whether your IP address changes
[04:13] <kaffeend> I broke my last one after installing this
[04:13] <Doonz> well i installed it. but how do i run it?
[04:13] <adkinsj> yeah its interesting watching this channel
[04:13] <glick> holycow, why?
[04:13] <bimberi> bigfoot1: "bigfoot1.dyndns.org" is just an example btw :)
[04:13] <icewt> bigfoot1, what ddclient does is that it updates your IP to dyndns, and they "link" the name you chose to your IP address
[04:13] <weex> wow 470 and it's not a total mess
[04:13] <holysmokes> glick: assuming that the resolution works out then the name and ip should be interchangeable for the most part
[04:14] <holycow> glick, what do you mean why? i never addressed you once or answered any of your questions, everyone else is however
[04:14] <kaffeend> why what glick?
[04:14] <weex> controlling the fonts is good by default...people get annoying when they try to be clever or stand out
[04:14] <holycow> glick, i think you want to address holysmokes
[04:14] <bigfoot1> icewt, bimberi, i understand. but dynadns.org/ddclient are helpful only for those with dynamic ip's, right? if mine is static ip, i don't really need it, right?
[04:14] <glick> why would the name not resolve correctly?
[04:14] <glick> i can nmap it using the name
[04:14] <bimberi> bigfoot1: that's right - then you can simply use the static ip
[04:15] <Harold> Hello
[04:15] <kaffeend> oh, not for me then :s
[04:15] <weex> bigfoot1, it's still helpful having a name
[04:15] <bigfoot1> ddclient is asking for "interface used for dynamic dns service". what is the interface?
[04:15] <icewt> bigfoot1, but you don't know whether your IP is static? or do you?
[04:15] <kaffeend> hey Harold :D
[04:15] <Code_Dark> oh, and i like the default gnome; i dont think i'll use fluxbox as planned. i like how all the tools are just... well, there.
[04:15] <weex> bigfoot1, plus you can keep track of many more in word form
[04:15] <Doonz> its ok figured it out
[04:15] <bigfoot1> icewt, how can i check if it's static.
[04:15] <Harold> I'm here now. Anyone know how to fix the sleep mode on a PowerBook with Ubuntu?
[04:15] <Harold> kaffeend: Hello there
[04:15] <glick> actually no i can not
[04:15] <Gatton> Code_Dark, that's another thing Ubuntu surprised me about. It made me like Gnome ;)
[04:15] <bigfoot1> i guess my interface is "ppp0", correct?
[04:15] <glick> could their dns server be down?
[04:15] <Harold> Code_Dark: I like using xfce4. Haven't used gnome much.
[04:16] <GoldeNLnX> sup everyone.. forgive me, linux newbie.
[04:16] <Code_Dark> Gatton: yeah, I've never really liked gnome or KDE. I've used things like xfce and fluxbox a lot.
[04:16] <bigfoot1> bimberi, weex, icewt i guess my interface is "ppp0", correct?
[04:16] <Buffy> GoldeNLnX, - Welcome!
[04:16] <weex> bigfoot1, yeah if it's dialup
[04:16] <weex> bigfoot1, or perhaps dsl?
[04:16] <bigfoot1> weex, i'm not on dialup. i'm on a cable/dsl connection.
[04:16] <Gatton> GoldeNLnX, a lot of us are. This is a good room. Very helpful people
[04:16] <Harold> Code_Dark: I was a KDE user, but now I'm using xfce4. Haven't used Gnome much.
[04:16] <kaffeend> Madpilot this is a wicked site mate - thanks ;-)
[04:16] <weex> bigfoot1, which cable or dsl?
[04:17] <Code_Dark> Harold: I used xfce when I had slackware on my laptop
[04:17] <bigfoot1> i think dsl.
[04:17] <Buffy> Ubuntu is great. - tried a dozen+ distros.
[04:17] <Harold> Gatton: Yes, I agree. (Alot of helpful people here.)
[04:17] <bigfoot1> weex, i think dsl.
[04:17] <weex> bigfoot1, connected to a router?
[04:17] <Madpilot> kaffeend: the linuxcommand one? yeah, it's the best I've found so far
[04:17] <bigfoot1> weex, no router. (just one pc in my house)
[04:17] <weex> bigfoot1, that makes sense ppp0 would do it
[04:17] <kaffeend> straight to the point - no BS to wade thru! Great
[04:17] <GoldeNLnX> first thing i'm having problems with is installing java web applet
[04:17] <bigfoot1> weex, thanks.
[04:17] <Harold> Code_Dark: I began using xfce4 some weeks ago when I installed Ubuntu. Only had 64MB of RAM at the time, so it was suggested I try using it.
[04:17] <Code_Dark> Harold: Yeah, it's awesome for lightweight stuff.
[04:18] <Gatton> If nothing else this room is a great source for links ;)
[04:18] <icewt> bigfoot1, it doesn't really matter whether it's static or not, if you just get ddclient going. but there's also http://www.dyndns.com/services/dns/statdns/ . and if i remember correct, you can set the IP yourself at the DynDNS website even when using dyndns
[04:18] <weex> how many people out there have only installed linux on shitty boxes and are finally seeing that with enough ram and processor, it's much cooler?
[04:18] <GoldeNLnX> i've attempted to use synaptic to install java but no success thus far
[04:18] <kaffeend> Code_Dark You can't get more lightweight than me! :))
[04:18] <Harold> Code_Dark: Now that I have 256MB of RAM, I don't know that I want to go to Gnome. I used Audacity alot, and doesn't Gnome eat alot of RAM? I'd rather save it for Audacity.
[04:18] <holycow> dyndns also has a whole range of other domains available for us as well
[04:18] <weex> this is the first box i actually want to use...maybe the distro helps too
[04:18] <spanglesontoast> where is GLIBC_2.3.4
[04:18] <GoldeNLnX> its says its installed but the web applets no dice
[04:18] <nickrud> weex, i'll have to answer up to that.
[04:19] <weex> nickrud, what are you running on right now? amd 1ghz 384 mb here
[04:19] <Buffy> weex - UT2K4 plays much better on my 1.8ghz 384 ram than my 2.9ghz 760 ram (fewer processes running in linux than windows.)
[04:19] <Code_Dark> Harold: I'm honestly not sure; the only time I've really used it is with the ubuntu livecd 5 minutes ago. I know that I have ~128mb ram, and it's running pretty smoothly for me (and that's booting from cd, too)
[04:19] <spanglesontoast> where is GLIBC_2.3.4?
[04:19] <nickrud> just an 800 piii, better than the 466 I've used
[04:19] <bigfoot1> okay. so i have these things installed/running: preferences-->remote desktop (NO check mark on "get your confirmation"); ssh; ddclient. i guess i'm all set up for now, correct? IS there anything i'm missing?
[04:19] <kaffeend> GoldeNLnX what about your browser? If you're blocking Java maybe that's why? I'm a n00b tho
[04:20] <weex> Buffy, playing ut in linux...what a trip...very cool
[04:20] <Harold> Okay, gotta get back to installing the Windows patches on my other system. Aargh!
[04:20] <Harold> Code_Dark: Hmmm...maybe I'll try it sometime.
[04:20] <spanglesontoast> where is GLIBC_2.3.4?
[04:20] <GoldeNLnX> firefox
[04:20] <icewt> bigfoot1, it'd be could to know whether it's possible to connect to your ssh server from outside ;)
[04:20] <GoldeNLnX> hmm..
[04:20] <Code_Dark> Harold: couldn't hurt; if it's too bulky, just uninstall :p
[04:21] <icewt> bigfoot1, could = good
[04:21] <weex> ok ubuntu hardware roll call....what's everybody got running(processor, ram)?
[04:21] <kaffeend> I was blocking java applets from install with default firefox settings...
[04:21] <scott> anyone know, is there a way to launch documents in mc but keep using it? enter ties it up while the document is open
[04:21] <Harold> Code_Dark: I'll probably try Gnome once I have a larger HD. I have a 2GB HD that keeps pretty full, and I don't have Gnome installed right now. (Just ubuntu-base but not ubuntu-desktop)
[04:21] <Madpilot> !tell GoldeNLnX about java
[04:21] <bigfoot1> icewt, yes, i think it's more than just "good" but necessary. so how do i check if connecting to my ssh server from the outside is set up/on?
[04:21] <Gatton> AMD Athlon XP 2400 (2.0 GHz), 1GB RAM
[04:21] <Code_Dark> Harold: ah, right.
[04:21] <Code_Dark> good idea
[04:21] <Buffy> weex - UT2K4 and several others include a native linux binary and are a one click install. - "Loki" installers are available for most popular games. - just as easy to install.
[04:21] <GoldeNLnX> Madpilot, thx man
[04:22] <Harold> Code_Dark: See what I mean?
[04:22] <Code_Dark> Harold: yeah.
[04:22] <weex> buffy how about half life 2 or doom3?
[04:22] <GoldeNLnX> on this box pII 400 256 ram 4.3 gb hard drive, but 800 gigs of space :)
[04:22] <Daehlie> hl2 >>>>>>>>> d3
[04:22] <kaffeend> GoldeNLnX lemme know plz - curious
[04:22] <weex> GoldeNLnX, damn that's a lot of hd for not that much processor and ram
[04:22] <Gatton> GoldeNLnX, you hosting a porn site or something with all that space? ;)
[04:23] <Gatton> oops. hope i didn't offend him ;)
[04:23] <kaffeend> lmao
[04:23] <weex> goldfish, gatton wants free access
[04:23] <Madpilot> ;)
[04:23] <Buffy> doom3 yes - simple - but the steam content protection system requires emulation due to it's frequent updates. "Cedega" by transgaming.
[04:23] <Gatton> bwahahaha
[04:23] <Harold> Code_Dark: Right at this moment I have about 425MB free, and most of that will soon be filled with the audio files I'll be editing. Then I'll remove them again, and begin my next editing project. Don't really want to fill that space with Gnome.
[04:23] <Code_Dark> I see your point. I'd wait until you have more space.
[04:23] <weex> buffy....maybe i'll have to get my other system going them radeon 9800, p4 2.4ghz, 768 mb ram
[04:24] <Harold> Code_Dark: (and anyone else who wants to add) If there are any, what are the advantages to using Gnome rather than xfce4?
[04:24] <Buffy> steam killed ha;f-life for me. - love the game just wanted to play it without a long wait for updates and wasted cpu resources.
[04:24] <airmikey> anyone running pekwm wm ?
[04:25] <kaffeend> Buffy is there a way to just download a Cedega file or something without having to write it all myself? But not have to buy? I got no problem with the cost, but no credit card and no command line skills at all
[04:25] <Code_Dark> Harold: I'm definitely no Gnome expert, but from my experience it a.) looks really nice and b.) has a lot of useful tools easily accessed (not that xfce doesn't), especially, for me, wireless tools.
[04:25] <twisted_steel> Buffy: that's why you need to bring out the cd every so often and play concmaps with the more impressive physics
[04:25] <Buffy> FarCry and need for speed underground 3 play beautifully.- one click install.
[04:26] <benplaut> what is it called to set up Ubuntu (or any computer, for that matter) so that the computer can log in to a Windows server, like you can log in from any one the windows computers in a school computer network?
[04:26] <GoldeNLnX> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[04:26] <Buffy> erm NFSU2 - sheesh
[04:26] <kaffeend> Buffy I mad for Far Cry and would love to port it to Linux but was told no dice
[04:26] <GoldeNLnX> i get that error
[04:26] <kaffeend> mod rather*
[04:26] <Buffy> kaffeend - let me get the link
[04:26] <Harold> Code_Dark: Everything is accessible in xcfe4, right?
[04:26] <kaffeend> thanks
[04:26] <Gatton> benplaut, I assume you want Samba?
[04:27] <Code_Dark> Harold: I believe so, but I'm not sure if there are Gnome-interface-specific tools. I doubt it, but it's possible
[04:27] <benplaut> Gatton: i dunno...
[04:27] <Gatton> Samba will allow you to connect to Windows workgroups and domains
[04:27] <kaffeend> FarCry is also available in 64 bit version Hmmm...
[04:27] <benplaut> OK, it's called a workgroup
[04:27] <benplaut> thanks
[04:27] <benplaut> !samba
[04:27] <ubotu> I heard samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[04:27] <Harold> Code_Dark: Oh, that's right. Some gnome stuff works in xfce4, but probably not all of them, I would guess.
[04:28] <Code_Dark> that's what I'd say. but, again, I'm really no expert in Gnome.
[04:28] <Harold> Code_Dark: Fortunately, there aren't any Gnome apps I absolutely need at this time.
[04:28] <t0mmy> if i'm tempted to go into #emacs and type out "EMACS SUCKS" is that a bad thing? :D
[04:28] <spanglesontoast> I guess I'll have to make glibc myself
[04:28] <benplaut> t0mmy: you will get kicked out and banned
[04:28] <Gatton> t0mmy, they might be so busy pushing all their meta keys they may not even notice you ;)
[04:28] <t0mmy> i was just joking :D
[04:29] <Harold> Code_Dark: I'll chat with you some other time; going to work on something else now...later!
[04:29] <t0mmy> and it really wouldn't matter if i'm banned anyways
[04:29] <Code_Dark> Harold: I need the wireless stuff, which I'm not sure if it's gnome-portable
[04:29] <Code_Dark> Harold: later :)
[04:29] <rithy4u> hi
[04:29] <rithy4u> m new in here pls :)
[04:29] <Gatton> t0mmy, I should go in there and yell NANO IS TEH GR8TEST!
[04:30] <t0mmy> rofl
[04:30] <t0mmy> i
[04:30] <t0mmy> er
[04:30] <t0mmy> i'm a vim user myself :D
[04:30] <t0mmy> actually, i mainly use gedit
[04:30] <kaffeend> gedit is king
[04:30] <t0mmy> i'm a wussy like that :D
[04:30] <Buffy> kaffeend, - http://www.liflg.org/
[04:30] <kaffeend> coz it's the only text editor I could find
[04:30] <Razor-X> where can I get the ffmpeg header files fom?
[04:30] <Razor-X> s/fom/from/
[04:30] <kaffeend> thanks Buffy
[04:30] <rithy4u> oh
[04:30] <t0mmy> gedit is god-like
[04:31] <Razor-X> (what dev package)
[04:31] <rithy4u> how to create team?
[04:31] <Spudchat> gedit is awesome
[04:31] <t0mmy> except for php syntax highlighting
[04:31] <Razor-X> t0mmy: emacs user here ;)
[04:31] <t0mmy> o
[04:31] <GoldeNLnX> well.. next I need to install a FTP client
[04:31] <GoldeNLnX> I dont see one here
[04:31] <Gatton> gftp!
[04:31] <jazzanova> hi
[04:31] <t0mmy> sudo apt-get install gftp
[04:31] <skalpel> does irssi save your settings on quit?
[04:31] <bigfoot1> how do i run sshd?
[04:31] <t0mmy> why do people use IRC?
[04:31] <bigfoot1> _SWAT_, how do i get sshd running?
[04:31] <t0mmy> x-chat is soooooooooooooooooooo much better
[04:31] <bigfoot1> avanspronsen, how do i get sshd running?
[04:31] <t0mmy> i mean why do peopel use Irssi
[04:31] <t0mmy> rofl
[04:31] <Kyral> nice recovery
[04:31] <GoldeNLnX> yeah.. i got it going through synaptic now
[04:31] <Madpilot> GoldeNLnX: gFTP is included with Ubuntu. The only problem is that it's a crappy FTP client...
[04:31] <t0mmy> jesus that typo made me look stupid >_<
[04:31] <skalpel> how do i change my root user name in ubuntu?
[04:32] <kaffeend> and if you try to save a file as .html it crashes gedit
[04:32] <Spudchat> i use irc for everthing
[04:32] <Gatton> t0mmy, agreed. I use xchat on my emac, ubuntu and xp
[04:32] <Spudchat> why not?
[04:32] <HrdwrBoB> t0mmy: because xchat is terrible wasteful
[04:32] <HrdwrBoB> t0mmy: and because I run irssi in screen
[04:32] <HrdwrBoB> and connect from anywhere in the world
[04:32] <gilv> when i try to convert files from GB2312 to UTF-8 with iconv, it often stops because some characters are not recognized, but when i open those files with gedit, i can save into UTF-8, it works perfect. How to make it work with a command line ?
[04:32] <jazzanova> i have creative webcam for notebook, and it works with spcaview. but i can't get it to work with gnomemeeting, it says that /dev/video0 can't be opened. any suggestions ?
[04:32] <Buffy> irssi - is perfect for hacking other users? - dunno. irssi = pita
[04:32] <t0mmy> mIRC is probably the best client for windows
[04:32] <t0mmy> i miss mIRC :(
[04:32] <GoldeNLnX> Madpilot, were is it located
[04:32] <Gatton> BitchX!
[04:32] <t0mmy> rofl
[04:32] <Gatton> t0mmy, mirc runs in wine
[04:32] <deprave_> bx hoo!
[04:32] <HrdwrBoB> t0mmy: irssi is the best because it's more flexible
[04:32] <skalpel> irssi
[04:32] <jazzanova> iirc
[04:32] <Razor-X> t0mmy: ewwww
[04:32] <jazzanova> ircii :)
[04:32] <Gatton> t0mmy, not perfect but it works pretty well
[04:32] <HrdwrBoB> Gatton: bitchx is terrible compared to irssi
[04:32] <Razor-X> HydraIRC is awesome for Windows
[04:33] <t0mmy> but it's all like ALT+NUMBER and that's a bit annoying
[04:33] <HrdwrBoB> t0mmy: why?
[04:33] <Gatton> HrdwrBoB, I will take your word for it. Haven't run either one in a while
[04:33] <skalpel> how do i change my root user name in ubuntu?
[04:33] <t0mmy> it's okay, but x-chat is better >_>
[04:33] <Razor-X> t0mmy: and what is it in irssi?
[04:33] <jazzanova> ircii rulez
[04:33] <Buffy> HrdwrBob - do you have any links for PCI Express cards?
[04:33] <t0mmy> what is what?
[04:33] <HrdwrBoB> Buffy: ?
[04:33] <Razor-X> Gatton: I prefer BitchX myself
[04:33] <aias_> HrdwrBoB, I think we're seeing a sea change here
[04:33] <HrdwrBoB> Buffy: in what respect
[04:33] <Razor-X> t0mmy: the equivalent to M-<number> ?
[04:33] <deprave_> t0mmy : it's all preference and opinion, don't listen to any of them!
[04:33] <t0mmy> it uses M-<number>
[04:33] <HrdwrBoB> aias_: from sensibleness to Xchat?
[04:33] <t0mmy> yeah yeah yeah >_<
[04:33] <aias_> lol
[04:34] <Buffy> Had a couple of questions earlier about enabling accel. - vesa work okay.
[04:34] <Gatton> Razor-X, used to use it way back. Pretty nice once you get used to it. I have forgotten all the keystrokes and configs by now though
[04:34] <t0mmy> hey let's go on slashdot and start a gnome v. kde flame war for no reason :D
[04:34] <t0mmy> "nasa would of fixed the shuttle faster if they used KDE"
[04:34] <t0mmy> "no gnome"
[04:34] <HrdwrBoB> if you like Xchat, use it
[04:34] <t0mmy> yeah, that would be fun :D
[04:34] <aias_> maybe linux is finally going to gui
[04:34] <Gatton> t0mmy, they don't need us for that!
[04:34] <HrdwrBoB> the only reason to like mIRC is because you're used to it
[04:34] <GoldeNLnX> ok, gftp is installed but I dont see it, were would it be?\
[04:34] <equex> lol tommy
[04:34] <HrdwrBoB> aias_: it is, but I still use irssi because it's better :)
[04:34] <aias_> meh
[04:35] <equex> Gnome caused WTC
[04:35] <HrdwrBoB> aias_: though for the most part, gui users are better off in xchat
[04:35] <kaffeend> XChat is great I think
[04:35] <spanglesontoast> tommy don't let a little gnome stamp on your head
[04:35] <t0mmy> EMACS STARTED WORLD WAR TWO :(
[04:35] <Gatton> HrdwrBoB, I agree but old habits die hard. I used go back to windows all the time because something in *nix didn't work the way I was used to. Now I'm almost completely converted
[04:35] <spanglesontoast> or a cog wheel crush you
[04:35] <t0mmy> rofl
[04:35] <aias_> HrdwrBoB, thanks for that ;)
[04:35] <t0mmy> and i would rather not be attacked by a rat :D
[04:35] <t0mmy> (xfce if you couldn't tell)
[04:36] <HrdwrBoB> aias_: hey I won't force my opinions on other people, but just ensure they know there's options that might be more powerful and flexible, but not quite as easy
[04:36] <spanglesontoast> makesure that plane has a blackbox
[04:36] <f_newton> gatton onces i finally switched to linux I found I could not stand using windows boxes
[04:36] <t0mmy> nah, it should have an openbox
[04:36] <benkong2> how can I stop ddclient from running as a daemon and use a cron job?
[04:36] <HrdwrBoB> f_newton: yes, the user interface is terrible
[04:36] <spanglesontoast> what about the ice on the windows?
[04:36] <t0mmy> heh
[04:36] <f_newton> many a client was perturbed because of my vocal rhetorts at being forced to use one of them
[04:36] <HrdwrBoB> benkong2:.. ddclient?
[04:36] <t0mmy> puns are fun :D
[04:36] <Gatton> f_newton, until I find a new line of work (help desk supporting 2000 & XP boxes) I will have to keep it around unfortunately
[04:37] <aias_> HrdwrBoB, I'll be a dittohead on that one
[04:37] <Buffy> use a pun go to pris?
[04:37] <Buffy> prison
[04:37] <t0mmy> however, i still hate the terms "windoze," "winblows," and "micro$oft" with a passion
[04:37] <benkong2> HrdwrBoB; yes the dyndns update utility for my dynamic dns update
[04:37] <HrdwrBoB> t0mmy: yes, using them makes you appear stupid
[04:37] <f_newton> Gatton, yeah well I have had it up to here (pointing waaaaay up) with microsoft boxes
[04:37] <Gatton> t0mmy, how can you stand to read slashdot then ;)
[04:37] <t0mmy> i never read comments :D
[04:37] <spanglesontoast> tommy it's called icewm
[04:37] <t0mmy> yeah yeah :)
[04:37] <spanglesontoast> no it is
[04:38] <HrdwrBoB> benkong2: probably there's a link in /etc/rc2.d to ddclient
[04:38] <spanglesontoast> it's based on blackbox.
[04:38] <Gatton> t0mmy, oh you're safe then :) Because even at +5 you're not safe ;)
[04:38] <t0mmy> ugh, official otaku thread? bleh
[04:38] <t0mmy> i like anime
[04:38] <HrdwrBoB> you can stop ddclient by /etc/init.d/ddclient stop
[04:38] <HrdwrBoB> I would guess
[04:38] <t0mmy> but i mean i hate those people that are like I'M SUPER KAWAII FANBOY ^_^
[04:38] <benkong2> HrdwrBoB; checking....
[04:38] <kaffeend> Buffy I'm having a little trouble here - are these installers to work WITH cedega? I should mention that I have a 64 bit machine also...
[04:38] <t0mmy> and use really really bad japanese
[04:38] <t0mmy> and call themselves otaku
[04:38] <Buffy> just wish that oses could solve the hacker probem and isps wouldn't allow users to scan address ranges.
[04:39] <HrdwrBoB> Buffy: the hacker problem is primarily one of users who do not care
[04:39] <Buffy> kaffeend - erm (beginning to look a little nervous) - loki installers don't need cedega
[04:39] <Gatton> Haven't been able to grok anime. The big eyes and all the jumping weird me out ;)
[04:39] <HrdwrBoB> Buffy:some do
[04:39] <kaffeend> if your are using cedega 4.1 or newer you do not need to
[04:39] <kaffeend> change the follwing entry in your config file
[04:39] <kaffeend> (~/.wine/config or ~/.transgaming/config)
[04:39] <HrdwrBoB> Buffy: the 'loki installers for linux games' page has lots of games which do
[04:39] <Buffy> likely the incorporate wine emulation in at least a few.
[04:40] <t0mmy> the only problem i have with #ubuntu is that when i come back after like a day i don't see anyone i recognize :/
[04:40] <spanglesontoast> IS THERE a glibc for 2.4.5?
[04:40] <kaffeend> got that from the FarCry link on the page
[04:40] <Gatton> I agree with Strongbad
[04:40] <t0mmy> i'm used to a little community of 50 users or so
[04:40] <Gatton> http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail57.html
[04:40] <piksi> ...please? anyone with laptop/sata trouble with installation of ubuntu or any knowledge of how to make it recognize the dvd-r (nec, apparently scsi??)?
[04:40] <HrdwrBoB> t0mmy: heh, I've been here constantly (though not active)
[04:40] <HrdwrBoB> bob2 is here more than I am
[04:40] <Buffy> 64 bit and cedega makes me break out into a cold sweat. - cedega as i understand it now needs to be run in an chroot environment.
[04:40] <t0mmy> yeah, i think i've seen bob2 around a few times
[04:40] <HrdwrBoB> piksi: it should Just Work
[04:40] <Razor-X> Bob and Bob, back to back!
[04:40] <Razor-X> ;)
[04:41] <HrdwrBoB> Buffy: yes, I run a 32bit system on my amd64 at home
[04:41] <f_newton> at least its not ed, edd, and eddy
[04:41] <piksi> HrdwrBoB: i know it should, but it doesn't work with SATA apparently
[04:41] <kaffeend> OMG
[04:41] <HrdwrBoB> it's easier if you want to run things like cedega, win32codecs etc
[04:41] <HrdwrBoB> piksi: what error are you getting?
[04:41] <spanglesontoast> IS THERE a glibc for 2.4.5?
[04:41] <HrdwrBoB> spanglesontoast: ?
[04:41] <piksi> HrdwrBoB: well, i have a SATA hdd and NEC dvd-r on my amilo pro laptop, and it says it cannot find my cdrom and wants me to load the correct module
[04:41] <t0mmy> spangles, check google :D
[04:42] <piksi> HrdwrBoB: i suspect that the dvd-r is also sata(?) - at least windows xp says it's "generic scsi device"
[04:42] <t0mmy> if you don't get an answer the first 100 times, try google :D
[04:42] <basit> hey, my external usb hdd is not picked up in ubuntu, can anyone help?
[04:42] <HrdwrBoB> piksi: a DVD that's on SATA isn't
[04:42] <HrdwrBoB> piksi: it's ATAPI over SATA
[04:42] <ArCHoNKoG> has anyone got gdesklets working on ubuntu
[04:42] <kaffeend> with windows, I would go to a link, find a file that says setup.exe and voila! it's all done and there's a nice little icon on the desktop to prove it
[04:42] <Buffy> whatever you decide. after investing the time to install it make a good back up of those files.
[04:42] <HrdwrBoB> piksi: it's not an official hardware interface.. it's just randpom stuff cobbled together
[04:43] <t0mmy> me, arch
[04:43] <Razor-X> hmmm, how do I get the ffmpeg header files?
[04:43] <t0mmy> i used to have trouble with it, but i reinstalled ubuntu a while ago, and it worked :D
[04:43] <piksi> HrdwrBoB: i've tried loading all sort of sata modules etc as soon as i get the second console available but they didn't help...
[04:43] <HrdwrBoB> piksi: it's not likely to work without hacking the driver .. can you get a USB CD drive?
[04:43] <benkong2> HrdwrBoB; thanks got it fixed /etc/init.d/ddclient changed to 90000000 on interval. I will have to figure out how to do a cron job after some reading
[04:43] <aias_> kaffeend, but, what security screen did you pass that setup.exe through?
[04:43] <HrdwrBoB> benkong2: cool
[04:43] <piksi> HrdwrBoB: how can i get a usb cd drive? the sata controller is intel 82801FBM (quite popular)
[04:43] <spanglesontoast> tommy check yourself
[04:43] <t0mmy> >_>
[04:43] <piksi> HrdwrBoB: ah - you mean GETTING a usb cd drive
[04:43] <HrdwrBoB> piksi: yeah there's nothing wrong with the controller, the driver is fine
[04:43] <spanglesontoast> erm
[04:44] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[04:44] <spanglesontoast> god
[04:44] <HrdwrBoB> piksi: basically the SATA DVD is a hack
[04:44] <spanglesontoast> I really wanna sit on the paltalk help on linux
[04:44] <kaffeend> aias_ None! Muwahahahaha... that's what brought in all those trojans! o_O
[04:44] <spanglesontoast> but funny enough theres no glibc
[04:44] <HrdwrBoB> it requires special drives and ONLY works on intel SATA chipsets
[04:44] <WebMaven> hello folks. I have successfully setup my SB Live 24-bit sound-card with alsa, but I am unsure how to get the microphone to work as well.
[04:44] <Buffy> external boxes for cd/hard drives can be had for less than $50
[04:44] <piksi> HrdwrBoB: but let's say that i get it installed from usb cd drive - after that - is it possible to get the dvd-r working without major hacking?
[04:45] <benkong2> HrdwrBoB; who woulda thought it Ubuntu has a sample-etc_cron.d_ddclient file in the doc dir :_)
[04:45] <HrdwrBoB> piksi: to be honest, I'm not sure. if you're comfortable with kernel hacking it should be fairly easy to get to work
[04:45] <t0mmy> i need some eyecandy for gnome >_<
[04:45] <t0mmy> the compositing thing didn't work, so...
[04:45] <HrdwrBoB> but afaics people have simply avoided SATA optical drives as they're not officially supported by SATA anyway
[04:46] <piksi> damn :-(
[04:46] <kaffeend> aias_ well, I'm hoping I've got the patience and resolve to be among those who haven't used windows for a while... If I can get my head around the command line
[04:46] <HrdwrBoB> it's a matter of glueing all the bits together
[04:46] <piksi> and still they equip these laptops with sata optical drives!
[04:46] <Gatton> t0mmy, it worked for me but it would only stay on for a few mins and then mysteriously disappear. so i just left it off
[04:46] <WebMaven> how can I easily tell if the microphone is working?
[04:46] <HrdwrBoB> piksi: it's quite silly, considering an IDE optical drive is better
[04:46] <Gatton> sound recorder?
[04:46] <t0mmy> x would freeze for me
[04:46] <t0mmy> i had to do a hard reboot :/
[04:46] <HrdwrBoB> but I guess they save on an IDE controller, though I would say that's built in anyway
[04:46] <Gatton> yuck. shadows aren't worth that :)
[04:46] <HrdwrBoB> WebMaven: sound recorder
[04:47] <WebMaven> Gatton: is there something easier, so that it pipes the mic directly to the speakers?
[04:47] <HrdwrBoB> benkong2: :_
[04:47] <kaffeend> Buffy - I'm looking at this page, and it's written in ancient aramaic! o_O
[04:47] <HrdwrBoB> :)
[04:47] <piksi> HrdwrBoB: thanks lot for assistance :-)
[04:47] <HrdwrBoB> piksi: no worries :)
[04:47] <WebMaven> it's annoying to keep recording and listening to the file.
[04:47] <t0mmy> ack, forgot that script was on >_<
[04:47] <gilv> iconv converts well until reaching an unrecogized character when i use the command: iconv -f GB2312 myfile.txt, but gedit converts the document perfectly, what can i do to do the job with a command line ?
[04:48] <bimberi> WebMaven: The configuration druid in GnomMeeting includes a mic test
[04:48] <bimberi> *GnomeMeeting
[04:48] <HrdwrBoB> WebMaven: alsamixer
[04:48] <kaffeend> do I need wine before I get cedega?
[04:48] <HrdwrBoB> WebMaven: unmute the mic
[04:49] <HrdwrBoB> kaffeend: no
[04:49] <kaffeend> ok
[04:49] <kaffeend> hmmm...
[04:49] <nickrud> kaffeend, i went looking for this, it will help some: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/index.htm
[04:49] <kaffeend> these "installers" are all for something called winex :s
[04:49] <HrdwrBoB> kaffeend: winex == cedega
[04:50] <kaffeend> thanks nickrud I'm checking it out now
[04:50] <kaffeend> HrdwrBoB Ahhh... I see
[04:50] <WebMaven> HrdwrBoB: is the mic the one labelled 'Capture'?
[04:50] <gilv> is it possible to use gedit as a command line to just open a file and save it (in UTF8) ?
[04:52] <nickrud> gilv, have you tried doing it?
[04:53] <holysmokes> gilv: you may have more like with that sort of thing using vi
[04:53] <f_newton> i guess there is no way to clean the printer jets on ubuntu
[04:53] <f_newton> I am gonna have to get a color laser printer
[04:53] <mortega> Hola
[04:55] <nickrud> f_newton, hplip offers that for some hp printers, it's in breezy. I've seen tools for other printers, though
[04:55] <barkley> what happened to sl-modem in breezy's repository?
[04:55] <gilv> holysmokes: gedit recognize the encoding of my text file, and then saves it into utf8, not vi, nor vim, not even iconv or recode can convert it
[04:55] <f_newton> well its a common feature in most distros nickrud
[04:56] <f_newton> and important for inkjets
[04:56] <Doonz> hey can you guys recomend a good avi repair program?
[04:56] <f_newton> avi repair?
[04:56] <Doonz> yeah
[04:57] <holysmokes> gilv: do you know what encoding the file is currently in?
[04:57] <t0mmy> i think i'm the youngest person to hold the root password to a linux box :D
[04:57] <gilv> holysmokes: GB2312
[04:58] <holysmokes> gilv: http://www.vim.org/htmldoc/mbyte.html
[04:58] <WebMaven> ok, the microphone seems not to work. what do I do?
[04:58] <gilv> holysmokes: i tried iconv -f GB2312 myfile.txt, it does print the text well until it finds an unrecognized character, while gedit does the job with no problem
[04:58] <WebMaven> ok, the microphone seems not to work. what do I do?
[04:59] <Doonz> nobody?
[04:59] <Doonz> *sigh*
[04:59] <f_newton> unmute it WebMaven
[04:59] <WebMaven> f_newton: where?
[04:59] <f_newton> in your mixer ui
[05:00] <george___> hi
[05:01] <george___> the raid didn't work, nor did the lvm
[05:01] <yoda_> Hoal
[05:01] <WebMaven> which of the following is the microphone: Analog Center/LFE, Analog Front, Analog Rear, Analog Unknown, Capture, SPIDF Center/LFE, SPIDF Front, SPIDF Rear, SPIDF Unknown
[05:02] <yoda_> hello
[05:02] <WebMaven> or SPIDF Out
[05:02] <bungopolis> WebMaven my guess would be Capture
[05:02] <ArCHoNKoG> would anyone know why i can't config any of the gdesklets ?
[05:03] <benkong2> bye
[05:03] <WebMaven> bungopolis: I maxed the volume on Capture. No change.
[05:05] <OC-Elf> hi guys
[05:05] <yoda_> xD
[05:05] <yoda_> where the IRC hispano ?
[05:05] <yoda_> :S
[05:05] <WebMaven> Hmm. gstreamer-properties shows me as using Alsa for audio input, but the test fails.
[05:06] <bungopolis> WebMaven all of the other streams sounded lik output streams to me. May be a configuration issue with your sound device?
[05:06] <Madpilot> yoda, you mean ubuntu-es?
[05:06] <yoda_> i spanish
[05:06] <pestilence> can the install cd for hoary be used to re-install grub after a windows install?
[05:07] <Madpilot> !es
[05:07] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[05:07] <yoda_> ok
[05:07] <bungopolis> pestilence i'm trying to figure out the same thing... my grub was corrupted but i dont want to do a system reinstall
[05:07] <bungopolis> pestilence in theory it should
[05:07] <Simpleton> So, whats the extent of this X bug?
[05:07] <OC-Elf> i think there is a way
[05:07] <WebMaven> bungopolis: maybe.
[05:08] <pestilence> i wonder if escape out and choose "install grub" it might, but you have to tell it somehow where root is
[05:08] <bungopolis> WebMaven just max all your sources and see if you get anything
[05:08] <hayden> how do i extract a tar.bz2 file from terminal
[05:08] <WebMaven> I just installed and configured a SB Live 24.
[05:08] <OC-Elf> i saw it some where
[05:08] <pestilence> also, i know if you ctl+alt+f2 you can get a terminal, but where is grub
[05:08] <nickrud> bungopolis, pestilence this is supposed to work https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[05:08] <bungopolis> pestilence thats what i've been trying but it gives me un-helpful errors and cant do it
[05:08] <OC-Elf> you put the ubuntu cd in and type grub (but i cant be sure)
[05:08] <bungopolis> cool thanks rickrud
[05:09] <OC-Elf> i think it was on the forums
[05:09] <asdx> i got a new motherboard (a7v600-x) I pluged my usb keyboard, i can use only on the bios setup, but when i try to boot something it says "keyboard error" or something, what can i do? :S
[05:09] <pestilence> OC-Elf: perhaps at a vt, but i think you have to wait until it has loaded the base system for grub to be present, and i'm not sure if that's before it writes stuff to the hd
[05:10] <WebMaven> bungopolis: unmuting and maxing everything does not seem to enable the microphone.
[05:10] <kaffeend> I must say people, that since installing Ubuntu the other day, I have not seen one ad or popup, and never d/loaded anything I didn't know what it was! Nice job :-)
[05:10] <OC-Elf> that could be, but i am sure that if u use the rescue mode u can rewrite the bootsector
[05:10] <pestilence> sure, but without grub it's hard to get to rescue mode :)
[05:10] <pestilence> and i don't think there is a "rescue mode" on the install cd
[05:11] <OC-Elf> yea there is
[05:11] <OC-Elf> type rescue at the prompt
[05:12] <bungopolis> WebMaven try running alsamixer in a terminal -- it might show you some extra sources that the gnome volume applet isnt showing for some reason (assuming thats what you're using)
[05:12] <hayden> how do i extract a tar.bz2 file from terminal
[05:12] <ilba7r> i did df -T -h to list my file system usage and the report is strange. I have 14 G av. 7 used and 5.6 free so what happened to the remanning 1.4 G???
[05:12] <WebMaven> bungopolis: I *am* using alsamixer.
[05:13] <pestilence> OC-Elf: hmmm
[05:13] <OC-Elf> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54149&highlight=reinstall+grub
[05:13] <bungopolis> WebMaven ok then I'd say there's some other configuration issue
[05:13] <bungopolis> WebMaven what is your sound card?
[05:13] <bungopolis> WebMaven you are talking about a built-in microphone input right, not a USB mic or something
[05:13] <WebMaven> It's an SB Live 24
[05:13] <OC-Elf> check that out
[05:14] <nickrud> pestilence, I se what you mean, sorry about that
[05:14] <bungopolis> WebMaven hmm the sblive series usually work without too much trouble
[05:14] <pestilence> OC-Elf: he refers to "System Rescue CD", not the ubuntu install cd
[05:14] <WebMaven> bungopolis: yes, I have a mic plugged into the backplane.
[05:14] <OC-Elf> yea, thats true, i got me a sblive value
[05:14] <bungopolis> I'm not quite sure what to try i'm afraid webmaven
[05:14] <monsterror> I just had to disable my onboard sound to get my SB live to work
[05:15] <WebMaven> I have disabled the onboard audio.
[05:15] <bimberi> hayden: tar xvjf <file>
[05:15] <benplaut> Gatton: so... i don't see anything to help set that up to GDM... where would settings for it be?
[05:15] <hayden> thank bimberi
[05:16] <bimberi> hayden: yw :)
[05:16] <WebMaven> I followed the directions here to get the sound to work: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19307&highlight=sound+card+install
[05:16] <Joose^> hi...
[05:16] <ilba7r> i did df -T -h to list my file system usage and the report is strange. I have 14 G av. 7 used and 5.6 free so what happened to the remanning 1.4 G???
[05:16] <f_newton> dang its starting to feel like burger time
[05:16] <Joose^> i have a question how i install the drivers of my modem in ubuntu
[05:16] <f_newton> joose what kind of modem?
[05:17] <OC-Elf> pestilence: just boot the cd and type rescue at the prompt
[05:17] <OC-Elf> follow the instructions that the guy gave
[05:17] <kaffeend> well, I won't be pressing CTRL + ALT + F2 again in a hurry lol
[05:17] <Joose^> f_newton pci modem
[05:17] <benplaut> !give pestilence livecd
[05:17] <ubotu> benplaut: No idea
[05:17] <benplaut> darn
[05:17] <benplaut> out of CDs :P
[05:18] <Madpilot> kaffeend: what does ctrl-alt-f2 do?
[05:18] <OC-Elf> puts u into a terminal
[05:18] <OC-Elf> non gui
[05:18] <WebMaven> So, does anyone have suggestions for getting the mic on an SB Live 24 working?
[05:18] <monsterror> Anyone know of a good place to get splash screens and such?
[05:18] <f_newton> Joose^, ok most likely a winmodem.... try linmodems.org
[05:18] <supernix> Hiya
[05:18] <kaffeend> brings up a terminal Madpilot - but I didn't know how to get out of it - so I rebooted
[05:19] <Madpilot> !tell monsterror about theme
[05:19] <OC-Elf> if its conexant based u can get drivers from linuxant.com
[05:19] <OC-Elf> they only run at 14.4 kbps though
[05:19] <supernix> Hiya
[05:19] <kaffeend> but all it did was tell me I have new mail!
[05:19] <monsterror> Thanks Madpilot
[05:19] <Madpilot> kaffeend: heh. I wouldn't know what to do then either!
[05:19] <f_newton> !tell f_newton about theme
[05:19] <OC-Elf> yea, thats the default motd
[05:19] <Madpilot> monsterror: np.
[05:19] <supernix> Anyone here familiar with Evolution and use it often ?
[05:19] <kaffeend> Madpilot I thought you were a pro?
[05:20] <Madpilot> kaffeend: no, I just fake it. ;)
[05:20] <supernix> I am trying to get it to filter out junk mail and I don't think that it is working like it should
[05:20] <kaffeend> Madpilot you should be an actor man!
[05:20] <Madpilot> kaffeend: slightly more seriously, I've only been using Linux for about three months now - I've just picked up the basics fast!
[05:21] <benplaut> !xdmcp
[05:21] <ubotu> benplaut: No idea
[05:21] <f_newton> yew must be a young pup Madpilot
[05:21] <pestilence> OC-Elf: let me give it a go, gotta backup real quick first
[05:21] <kaffeend> fast? You mean I'm gonna be running around like a blind man for months?
[05:21] <benplaut> well, for the non-bots, what is XDNCP?
[05:21] <benplaut> *XDMCP
[05:21] <Madpilot> f_newton: at Linux, yeah. I'm 26, been a Windows-victim until recently!
[05:22] <OC-Elf> alright pestilence
[05:22] <f_newton> well its a lot easier for you then for someone over twice your age believe me
[05:22] <f_newton> the brain is not so plyable at my age
[05:22] <nickrud> xdmcp is logging into a graphical login on a remote machine (permission thereof)
[05:22] <kaffeend> I only installed Linux as a BACKUP OS but lost windows somehow on install and now this is my ONLY OS
[05:22] <Madpilot> benplaut: this was the first link google provided: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO/
[05:23] <Harold> Anyone: Know how to enable sleep on a PowerBook?
[05:23] <f_newton> kaffeend unless you wrote over it its still there you just need to find it
[05:23] <hayden> is gnome-look.org working,?
[05:23] <Madpilot> kaffeend: just enjoy the ride!
[05:23] <f_newton> not for me it isnt
[05:23] <Burgundavia> kaffeend, ctrl-alt-F# switch virtual terminals
[05:23] <OC-Elf> yea
[05:23] <Burgundavia> kaffeend, F7 is the default graphical terminal
[05:23] <Harold> hayden: What is gnome-look.org about? The look of gnome?
[05:24] <kaffeend> no I think I partially wrote over it f_newton
[05:24] <Madpilot> gnome-look.org was down last night as well
[05:24] <OC-Elf> themes etc
[05:24] <OC-Elf> i used it today
[05:24] <kaffeend> thanks Burgundavia
[05:24] <Burgundavia> Harold, the official gnome theme place is art.gnome.org
[05:24] <Burgundavia> kaffeend, np
[05:24] <Harold> Burgundavia: Thanks, I'll check that out.
[05:24] <Madpilot> Harold: it's one of the better theme/art sites for Gnome eye-candy
[05:24] <Madpilot> hi Burgundavia
[05:24] <WebMaven> Still no joy in getting the mic on an SB Live 24 working.
[05:24] <Burgundavia> salut Madpilot mon frere
[05:25] <kaffeend> but I have an issue - I'm a gamer and belong to a clan who are waiting for me in server, and I can't run my games yet... OMG!
[05:25] <OC-Elf> use cedega
[05:25] <Burgundavia> kaffeend, which game?
[05:25] <OC-Elf> good stuff
[05:25] <tvon> Should I have udev *and* devfsd running?
[05:25] <kaffeend> I am trying to OC-Elf
[05:25] <kaffeend> Burgundavia FarCry
[05:26] <kaffeend> and Americas Army
[05:26] <Burgundavia> kaffeend, no linux native version
[05:26] <Burgundavia> kaffeend, Americas Army has a linux native version
[05:26] <OC-Elf> ok, what problems are u having with it kaffeend
[05:26] <Travis|G3> guys for some reason whenever I try todo anything with APT-GET it gives me this error, I've tried apt-get update but it still doing this: http://pastebin.com/328936
[05:26] <kaffeend> really? I didn't see it
[05:26] <Burgundavia> kaffeend, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AmericasArmy
[05:27] <monsterror> Can someone tell me how to get Window Transluncy to work? I set it up, but nothing happens.
[05:27] <Joose^> hi again..
[05:27] <Burgundavia> Travis|G3, reomove the cd rom from your sources.list
[05:27] <PurpleMotion> okay, umm
[05:27] <Harold> Can I play Halo2 on a 233MHz PowerBook G3 running Ubuntu?
[05:27] <kaffeend> well, OC-Elf I have seen a hundred sites offering Cedega but can't read the explainations for install etc because I'm not Linux-certified
[05:27] <Harold> LOL
[05:27] <transgress> Harold: no problem
[05:27] <Harold> transgress: LOL
[05:27] <Travis|G3> Burgundavia where is the sources located and whats the file name?
[05:27] <Madpilot> !tell Travis|G3 about repos
[05:27] <PurpleMotion> is there a toolkit or something that helps you build kwin deco's?
[05:27] <kaffeend> Thanks Burgundavia
[05:27] <Burgundavia> kaffeend, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega
[05:27] <Joose^> i founded the driver for my modem.. and now how i install it in ubuntu?
[05:27] <OC-Elf> kaffeend, i am not certified either
[05:28] <Burgundavia> Travis|G3, use synaptic and remove it
[05:28] <OC-Elf> but i have it installed
[05:28] <PurpleMotion> I designed a window decoration, and I want to use it in kde
[05:28] <hayden> has anyone been able to install cisco vpn client by source?
[05:28] <Code_Dark> ubuntu default is a long install on my laptop :p
[05:28] <SquareGuy> Alright this problem has always existed on my laptop and it never bothered me untill i started using Ubuntu. With the GNOME sound server on (i like the startup and shutdown sounds) if i goto play doom3 i get no audio. If i shut it down first I do get audio. I have a Dell 8600 laptop with ICH4 AC97 audio. I have .asoundrc configured to play multiple streams - ie i can listen to a video/mp3 while also haveing sound in frozen-
[05:28] <SquareGuy> bubble. Doom3 complains about /dev/dsp being tied up. I am using OSS emulation because if I use alsa while GNOME sound server is on it locks up the game completely. Ideas?
[05:28] <Burgundavia> PurpleMotion, #kubuntu might be a better place
[05:28] <f_newton> it was a quick one on mine
[05:28] <tiglionabbit> hey, does anyone here have a Soundblaster Live soundcard? There are a ton of volume toggles for it... and it's making a loud beep noise at me. Whats up with this..
[05:28] <Burgundavia> SquareGuy, kill esd
[05:28] <kaffeend> I mean I don't know what GNU is or what a kernel is...
[05:28] <Travis|G3> Burgundavia this is command line only box
[05:28] <asdx> damn it!!! I hate this a7v600-x motherboard :S:S:S:S:S
[05:28] <OC-Elf> kaffeend, ohhh
[05:28] <Harold> HUGE news today: Apple is introducing...
[05:29] <Burgundavia> Travis|G3, then edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:29] <monsterror> iPhone?
[05:29] <Harold> monsterror: No, Apple is introducing...
[05:29] <holysmokes> harold: yeah, don't use esound daemon or configure doom3 to use it (if that's even possible)
[05:29] <kaffeend> OC-Elf yes, Oh
[05:29] <SquareGuy> Burgundavia, I do shut it down before I play but I would prefer to have it setup where that is not required if possible
[05:29] <kaffeend> It's like trying to read Cyrillic script
[05:29] <Burgundavia> holycow, esd support needs to be coded in
[05:29] <OC-Elf> first of all u will need to download a version of cedega from transgaming....with a subscription
[05:29] <Burgundavia> SquareGuy, sorry, Breezy has a fix, but Hoary does not
[05:30] <Burgundavia> OC-Elf, the wiki page explains it
[05:30] <nhaines> Okay, I'm helping a friend install Ubuntu on an old server, and his network card isn't being detected. We think it's an Intel EtherExpress 10/100 card. He's using an Intel SE440BX motherboard with an integrated card.
[05:30] <Harold> monsterror: ...Apple is introducing a multiple-button mouse with a scrollwheel. It's called Mighty Mouse. (And I'm not kidding.)
[05:30] <OC-Elf> Burgundavia, yea thats true
[05:30] <Travis|G3> Burgundavia thanks you now it works
[05:30] <nhaines> Oh, I heard about that, Harold. :)
[05:30] <SquareGuy> Burgundavia, well looks like i'll have to wait a little while. Is the fix within alsa itself?
[05:30] <kaffeend> also, I am using a 64 bit machine and I don't know if this is fully supported or not
[05:30] <Burgundavia> Travis|G3, cheers
[05:30] <Burgundavia> SquareGuy, yes
[05:30] <Harold> transgress: HUGE news.
[05:30] <kaffeend> I'm just horribly lost
[05:31] <Burgundavia> kaffeend, did you follow the first link?
[05:31] <kaffeend> yep
[05:31] <SquareGuy> Burgundavia, well I might just go and try compiling a newer version of alsa then
[05:31] <PurpleMotion> Burgundavia: #kubuntu us asleep
[05:31] <kaffeend> reading it now - kinda
[05:31] <Travis|G3> oh one other question how do I install tcl? is it on apt-get if it is whats the package name
[05:31] <Burgundavia> kaffeend, see that debian line? copy that and put sudo in front of it
[05:31] <kaffeend> ok
[05:32] <monsterror> Can someone help me with Window Translucency
[05:32] <Harold> kaffeend: I hate that feeling. I've had that quite a bit trying to configure wifi for my old Mac PowerBook, but after many many hours of work, I've finally go it going.
[05:32] <OC-Elf> monsterror, u need a program called transset
[05:32] <nhaines> Actually, we have an Intel EtherExpress Pro 100 ISA adapter that's not being detected by Ubuntu installer.
[05:32] <OC-Elf> monsterror, try sudo apt-get install trannset
[05:33] <kaffeend> good for you Harold! Nopw you've been in here for ages just trying to figure out how to use sleep for the pb?
[05:33] <f_newton> I want to apt-get hambuger w/fries
[05:33] <OC-Elf> monsterror, then in a terminal type trannset 0.5 for 50% transperancy
[05:33] <Travis|G3> nevermind
[05:33] <nhaines> apt-get chocolate-milkshake for me while the connection's open, will you f_newton?
[05:33] <kaffeend> PROBLEMO - No cdrom
[05:33] <f_newton> sure
[05:33] <OC-Elf> monsterror, u will have to clikc on the window that u want to set the transperancy on
[05:34] <f_newton> I dont think either of them are on the repo list though nhaines
[05:34] <Harold> kaffeend: Well, sleep was working before I removed a ton and packages, but now it doesn't fall right asleep.
[05:34] <kaffeend> ah
[05:34] <Harold> kaffeend: I'll begin to research my problem in the ubuntu wiki and forums, I suppose.
[05:34] <kaffeend> like moi
[05:34] <nhaines> Yeah, looks like it's a legacy 16-bit card.
[05:35] <f_newton> I am waiting here outside this closed wifi cafe for my sweetie to im me but my stomach is starting to complain
[05:35] <Harold> kaffeend: (Well, actually I thought I'd begin here, but now I'll move on.)
[05:35] <kaffeend> but I need a guide to getting help to read the help
[05:35] <Harold> kaffeend: Good luck with your issue.
[05:35] <kaffeend> you too mate
[05:35] <nhaines> Where can I find NIC modules for ancient network cards?
[05:35] <nhaines> (and how do I load them from the Ubuntu installer?)
[05:35] <f_newton> lol kaffeend welcome to the world of geekspeak
[05:36] <kaffeend> f_newton um, thanks :s
[05:36] <pestilence> OC-Elf: of course, you were right. i don't recall seeing it as an option when you press whatever for the options, but rescue does indeed work
[05:36] <Burgundavia> kaffeend, here, just download this http://thepiratebay.org/details.php?id=3282285
[05:36] <bolivar> i am looking for a software to print photos with. on windows the hp software allowed me to put 2 pictures on one sheet 5x7 does ubuntu have a software 'like' that?
[05:36] <kaffeend> hahaha... the pirate bay! That sounds like just the thing!! lol
[05:37] <OC-Elf> pestilence, thanks
[05:37] <Burgundavia> kaffeend, then follow that wiki page
[05:37] <kaffeend> will try it now Burgundavia
[05:37] <Burgundavia> kaffeend, I will remind you that that is illegal and breaks copyright laws
[05:37] <kaffeend> God I love Firefox!
[05:38] <OC-Elf> we all do
[05:38] <Burgundavia> kaffeend, the default bittorrent stuff?
[05:38] <kaffeend> Burgundavia must be good then huh? ;)
[05:38] <f_newton> i gotta scratch my nose in geekspeak is > nose, scratching, application, index... allow for limber motion of either right or left arm, swing upward with slightly more them gentle motion enough to raise appropriate appendage towards affected olfactory device...
[05:38] <TheSin> anyone able to us gij to start a graphical jar file?
[05:38] <OC-Elf> talking about torrent software
[05:38] <Burgundavia> TheSin, depends on the jar
[05:38] <kaffeend> Burgundavia haven't even touched bittorrent yet
[05:38] <TheSin> I keep getting some gtk error no matter what jar i try
[05:38] <juank___> alguien en espaol?
[05:38] <Burgundavia> juank___, #ubuntu-esd
[05:38] <Burgundavia> juank___, #ubuntu-es
[05:38] <f_newton> no senior
[05:38] <TheSin> I've tried jtunes4
[05:38] <juank___> thnkz
[05:38] <kaffeend> was just thinking of tabs etc
[05:38] <OC-Elf> is it worth it to install azureus? or stick with gnomes default client?
[05:38] <TheSin> ourtunes
[05:39] <TheSin> and ohmy whatever for tunes :D
[05:39] <Burgundavia> OC-Elf, azureus has some nice features, never used it myself
[05:39] <nhaines> I love Azureus. :)
[05:39] <TheSin> I just want to beable to play music on my ubuntu machien from my itunes shares
[05:39] <Burgundavia> TheSin, not possible quite yet
[05:40] <TheSin> jtunes4 can do it
[05:40] <OC-Elf> hmm i will probably try it then
[05:40] <TheSin> just won't run on ubuntu
[05:40] <kaffeend> does Ubuntu come with a bitTorrent client?
[05:40] <TheSin> sf.net/projects/jtunes4
[05:40] <nhaines> Yes, it does.
[05:40] <nhaines> A very, very simple one.
[05:40] <kaffeend> cool
[05:40] <Burgundavia> kaffeend, yes, just click on the link
[05:40] <TheSin> but I've never used gij before either
[05:40] <TheSin> so it might be me
[05:40] <OC-Elf> TheSin, is it in the repositories
[05:40] <kaffeend> cheers Burgundavia
[05:40] <tiglionabbit> is there any way to get my alsamixer levels set back to the way they would have been on a fresh install?
[05:40] <OC-Elf> TheSin, or a downloaded binary
[05:40] <TheSin> OC-Elf, jtunes is?
[05:41] <Burgundavia> TheSin, gij doesn't support all java stuff yet
[05:41] <TheSin> oh downloaded
[05:41] <OC-Elf> TheSin, i was asking u
[05:41] <TheSin> Burgundavia, ahh
[05:41] <TheSin> OC-Elf, ya figured that out after sorry
[05:41] <OC-Elf> TheSin, ok hmm if there is a source package u can prob compile it
[05:41] <kaffeend> wow... slow torrent o_O
[05:41] <TheSin> Burgundavia, can I use the sun java binary? is that avail in ubuntu univ?
[05:42] <TheSin> OC-Elf, hmmm never compiled java before, better read up on javac :D
[05:42] <Madpilot> !java
[05:42] <ubotu> it has been said that java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[05:42] <Madpilot> TheSin: see ubotu's post for all sorts of Java options
[05:42] <TheSin> thanks Madpilot
[05:42] <Burgundavia> TheSin, http://mail.gnome.org/archives/rhythmbox-devel/2005-July/msg00017.html
[05:43] <OC-Elf> TheSin, gonna give it a go for u
[05:43] <TheSin> thank OC-Elf gonna sleep now, but I'll be here tomorrow
[05:43] <OC-Elf> TheSin, alrighty later down then
[05:43] <TheSin> gotta say I love ubuntu specially now that I have breezy going and zeroconf
[05:43] <jono> Anyone know the speed dif between Ubuntu on MS-VPC vs a straight Ubuntu install?
[05:43] <jay> Can someone help me prevent my mozilla firefox client from closing when playing a web-based java game?
[05:43] <f_newton> I guess I am gonna have to go hand carry my burger... apt aint managing that package
[05:44] <f_newton> bbl
[05:44] <TheSin> BTW if you want zeroconf you need to use the one from debian 0.6.1
[05:44] <TheSin> 0.3 is broken
[05:44] <kaffeend> wow, bitrate of 0.0 kb/s
[05:44] <TheSin> breaks dhcp just and FYI
[05:44] <TheSin> night all and thanks OC-Elf, Madpilot, Burgundavia
[05:44] <drcode> hi all
[05:44] <drcode> I want to record wav file
[05:45] <drcode> the recorder program at linux give me error write or somthing any idea?
[05:45] <nhaines> Yeah. Give us the actual error message to begin with.
[05:45] <OC-Elf> drcode, did u have access to the directory u were trying to have it write to?
[05:46] <nhaines> Try writing to your home directory.
[05:46] <OC-Elf> yep
[05:46] <WebMaven> Crap.
[05:47] <JosephSpiros> Hmm, I just installed Hoary on my G4, and I'm having problems with X starting
[05:47] <BTJustice> I got KDE up and running, but how do I browse my local network?
[05:47] <luminerd> what is the xorg.conf updater tool again?
[05:47] <drcode> to what dir?
[05:47] <WebMaven> Mother*^%$*^%#( Creative Labs didn't release the *$*^%$ specs to enable support for capture on the SB Live 24 bit!
[05:47] <drcode> I just open the recorder
[05:48] <nhaines> drcode: to ~/
[05:48] <asdx> what is the clock speed of a amd sempron 2600+ ?
[05:48] <JosephSpiros> namely, my G4 has three displays, two on a GeForce4 MX 440 and one on an ATI Rage 128 of some sort. When I boot the machine, the boot menu appears on the first display on the GeForce, but after I select linux, it prints "Welcome to linux" but then switches over to the display on the ATI card
[05:48] <luminerd> what's that X updater? \sudo aptitude update-xorg or something?
[05:48] <drcode> yes
[05:48] <drcode> I Have premission there
[05:48] <JosephSpiros> and the two displays attached to the GeForce never change, the one being a black screen with the first few lines of Linux booting, and the other one with black text on a white background what appears to be OpenFirmware messages
[05:49] <nickrud> JosephSpiros, I wish I had your problem
[05:49] <JosephSpiros> Anyway, X fails to start, saying it can't find screens
[05:49] <JosephSpiros> which is somewhat ironic...
[05:49] <JosephSpiros> nickrud: ;p
[05:49] <OC-Elf> luminerd, sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[05:49] <OC-Elf> for nvidia cars
[05:49] <OC-Elf> donno about anyothers
[05:49] <kaffeend> Burgundavia do you have any idea what I'm meant to do at http://0day.icculus.org/armyops/ please?
[05:50] <barkley> what is that tool to switch versions of gcc? update-alternatives doesn't do it
[05:50] <JosephSpiros> Also I should note that when I dmesg, and grep for "fb", I get fb0 - the one on the ATI, fb1 and fb2 - the two on the other card
[05:50] <Burgundavia> kaffeend, sorry, I don't play games
[05:50] <drcode> how can I call to the recorder by command line?
[05:50] <JosephSpiros> So it's not like it doesn't know they're attached
[05:50] <nickrud> JosephSpiros, look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log, it may have more info
[05:50] <luminerd> OC-Elf, uh...no...X configuration, not graphics card...
[05:51] <luminerd> I do have nvidia but that's not what I'm looking for :/
[05:51] <luminerd> thanks though
[05:51] <kaffeend> um, not so much a game question, I have to click one option out of several that read like armyops230-linux.run but when I do it opens a new window full of code
[05:51] <OC-Elf> luminerd, xorgconf
[05:51] <WebMaven> bungopolis: The mic isn't supported for my card in Alsa. A *$#@!& 30-dollar card.
[05:51] <OC-Elf> luminerd, or xorgconfig
[05:51] <luminerd> hmm, that's not the one I used :/
[05:51] <luminerd> but maybe it'll work
[05:51] <luminerd> thanks
[05:51] <OC-Elf> np
[05:52] <kaffeend> copy code and paste in terminal? :s
[05:52] <nhaines> Okay, I have to go concentrate on my friend's server problem.
[05:52] <jay> Can someone please help me with these java - firefox instability problems i'm having?
[05:53] <nickrud> JosephSpiros, sorry, i didn't catch the powerpc thing, I will be of no help
[05:53] <WebMaven> OK. I'm calmer now.
[05:53] <OC-Elf> jay, did u check out ubuntuguide.org?
[05:53] <nhaines> Take care everyone, and good luck. :)
[05:53] <JosephSpiros> nickrud: the log goes on as if it worked fine , printing like "(--) NV(0): Chipset: "GeForce4 MX 440" and whatnot that leads me to believe it should work fine
[05:53] <OC-Elf> jay, it has information about firefox with java
[05:53] <WebMaven> I guess I need a new sound-card recommendation.
[05:53] <jay> No, so I'm guessing I should ^_^
[05:53] <OC-Elf> jay, lol go go
[05:54] <adiabatic> I've made a new script in cron.daily to update the distributed.net client that I'm running; is there a way to test the script as it'd be run with the "usual" permissions and whatnot that I couldn't test just with, say, `sudo bash update-this`?
[05:54] <JosephSpiros> nickrud: until it hits "(EE) Unable to find a valid framebuffer device" and dies
[05:54] <nickrud> JosephSpiros, thru experience, my i86 experience has no relevance to power pc
[05:54] <luminerd> does anyone know the other one? This one's confusign
[05:54] <JosephSpiros> nickrud: no warnings or errors prior to that except for being unable to find fb3-fb7
[05:54] <JosephSpiros> nickrud: Oh well
[05:54] <WebMaven> Can anyone recommend a simple sound-card with a microphone that is well-supported?
[05:54] <nickrud> like I said, sorry
[05:54] <luminerd> The other way to update your xorg.conf that is, in terminal? I know it starts with sudo apt-get or aptitude :/
[05:54] <jay> It looks like a news site o.0
[05:55] <jay> oh wrong site ;p
[05:55] <OC-Elf> jay, nah
[05:56] <bimberi> luminerd: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ???
[05:56] <OC-Elf> bimberi, that works??
[05:56] <luminerd> bimberi, that's it! THanks!!!
[05:56] <Burgundavia> DekaPink, try art.gnome.org
[05:56] <bimberi> OC-Elf: it would seem so :P
[05:56] <DekaPink> Burgundavia, Thank you. :)
[05:57] <OC-Elf> bimberi, alrighty just learnt something there
[05:57] <jay> heh I've already installed the java plugin, it's more along the lines of problems
[05:57] <JosephSpiros> So, anyone else have any ideas for my problems with X?
[05:57] <kaffeend> can someone take a look at http://0day.icculus.org/armyops/armyops-lnx-patch-210to221.run please and tell me what I'm supposed to do with it?
[05:58] <luminerd> what is a ps/2 mouse's port? /dev/input/mouse0?
[05:58] <OC-Elf> jay, ok so firefox just crashes?
[05:58] <hayden> has anyone gotten the cisco vpn client to work under ubuntu?
[05:58] <barkley> what is that tool to switch versions of gcc? update-alternatives doesn't do it
[05:58] <OC-Elf> /dev/mouse
[05:58] <jay> Yep
[05:58] <benplaut> well, for the non-bots, what is XDMCP? (sorry to ask again... i had to leave right after i asked last time)
[05:58] <luminerd> OC-Elf, you sure?
[05:58] <nickrud> JosephSpiros, some powerpc people drop in and out; ask again later
[05:58] <luminerd> thanks OC-Elf
[05:58] <JosephSpiros> nickrud: thing is, I don't think it's a PowerPC problem
[05:59] <OC-Elf> luminerd, yep very
[05:59] <JosephSpiros> nickrud: I think it's a "having three displays that while the kernel framebuffer sees them, X apparently doesn't" problem
[05:59] <nickrud> ah
[05:59] <OC-Elf> luminerd, for usb u can try /dev/input/mice
[06:00] <Buffy> JosephSpiros - What application adds 3 display functionality?
[06:00] <luminerd> OC-Elf, I have ps/2 not usb...
[06:00] <luminerd> OC-Elf, but that crashed my X :(
[06:00] <nickrud> well, that's a problem that is also over my head, i'm not ashamed to admit. Two drivers i've done, not 3
[06:00] <JosephSpiros> Buffy: I don't know :(
[06:00] <OC-Elf> luminerd, was just giving u some added info
[06:01] <JosephSpiros> nickrud: would the fact that two of them share a driver help?
[06:01] <JosephSpiros> nickrud: ;p
[06:01] <Buffy> that would be wondeful for a flight simulation
[06:01] <luminerd> OC-Elf, ok thanks heh
[06:01] <JosephSpiros> Buffy: xinerama?
[06:01] <nickrud> JosephSpiros, if I'd used those cards, maybe
[06:01] <jay> Maybe If I knew how to start firefox through the terminal it would spit errors up?
[06:02] <killjoi> Hell yeah, Ubuntu rules.
[06:02] <OC-Elf> jay, firefox
[06:02] <bimberi> jay: type "firefox" in the terminal
[06:02] <OC-Elf> jay, juyst type it in a terminal
[06:02] <nickrud> jay, /usr/bin/firefox
[06:02] <DekaPink> How do I see what programs are running? :3
[06:02] <dandelion> Hello
[06:02] <c0al> DekaPink, "ps aux" in terminal
[06:02] <luminerd> What might this mean in the log? I got a (II) Generic Mouse: ps2EnableDadtaReporting: succeeded. No core pointer. Fatal server error: failed to initialize core devices.
[06:02] <hayden> has anyone successfully installed vpnclient-linux-4.0.5.tar.gz on ubuntu hoary? i need help doing this
[06:03] <dandelion> is there a way to install an SMP enabled kernel on Ubuntu-amd64?
[06:03] <OC-Elf> once its in the bin directory its global
[06:03] <killjoi> At one point I had some distro installed (ubuntu?) and I had a nice app that could allow me to click on programs to terminate them.
[06:03] <killjoi> anyone know the name off the top of their head?
[06:03] <bimberi> DekaPink: Applications -> System Tools -> System Monitor
[06:04] <killjoi> Nevermind, what bimberi suggested works too.
[06:04] <crimsun> dandelion: linux-image-2.6.10-5-amd64-k8
[06:04] <bimberi> hmm - i wonder if DekaPink killed his irc client :)
[06:04] <OC-Elf> for fire up htop, its kinda kool (for the terminal lovers)
[06:05] <kaffeend> do I need wine/wines to install cedega?
[06:05] <Dr_Willis> kaffeend, no.
[06:05] <OC-Elf> kaffeend, no
[06:05] <kaffeend> ok thanks
[06:05] <drcode> what is /dev/dsp?
[06:05] <hayden> has anyone successfully installed vpnclient-linux-4.0.5.tar.gz on ubuntu hoary? i need help doing this
[06:05] <kaffeend> so why am I reading "This version works in additon to Wine and Cedega/WineX binary version."?
[06:05] <drcode> I need to install somthing ?
[06:06] <OC-Elf> i have been reading that wine has been adding directx support to its libraries
[06:06] <Dr_Willis> drcode, what are you running that needs that?
[06:06] <drcode> I want to record wav
[06:06] <drcode> I Have oss alsa
[06:06] <kaffeend> games
[06:06] <Dr_Willis> OC-Elf, yea - i hear that "pirates" game can play with the normal wine.
[06:06] <drcode> but I dont know what is /dev/dsp?
[06:06] <nickrud> drcode, /dev/dsp is a device that apps can send sound to
[06:06] <OC-Elf> Dr_Willis, yea so can warcraft
[06:06] <Dr_Willis> isent /dev/dsp out of date now? Hmm... no longer used.. in that reguards
[06:07] <Dr_Willis> OC-Elf, then ya still got the lame copy protection issues. :(
[06:07] <nickrud> esd binds that currently
[06:07] <drcode> I Need to install somthing to make dsp work?
[06:07] <OC-Elf> Dr_Willis, hmm ok
[06:07] <Code_Dark> hi, I have a question. I used the ubuntu livecd a few minutes ago, and it worked wonderfully with my wireless card. Now that I've actually installed to hdd, though, it doesn't seem to detect my card. Any suggestions?
[06:08] <Dr_Willis> Code_Dark, thats a good sign however that it did work. :P
[06:08] <skalpel> where is the file that contains my hostname located?
[06:08] <Code_Dark> sorry?
[06:08] <OC-Elf> ndiswrapper or something of the sort helps wireless cards?
[06:09] <OC-Elf> am i right?
[06:09] <nickrud> skalpel, /etc/hostname
[06:09] <hayden> ndiswrapper lets you be able to use some windows drivers on linux for wireless cards
[06:09] <luminerd> http://pastebin.com/328961 Does anyone know what looks wrong with this part of my conf for a Kubuntu system with a PS/2 mouse?
[06:09] <Buffy> salpel - there is a terrific howto in ubuntuguide.org
[06:10] <danny> Is there an easy way to change the colors of the gnome theme? :3
[06:10] <OC-Elf> Code_Dark, maybe u can try the ndiswrapper
[06:10] <Code_Dark> I don't want to try that; it worked on the ubuntu livecd; i want it to work on ubuntu proper :\
[06:10] <Burgundavia> DekaPink, change to a different them?
[06:10] <kaffeend> someone gave me a nice link to a site that teaches all the basics of the command line. linuxcommand.org or something - can anyone help me find it again please? I had to reboot earlier and I lost it :(
[06:11] <DekaPink> Burgundavia, I mean like... change it to any color I might want to use? :3
[06:11] <OC-Elf> Code_Dark, i see your point
[06:11] <Burgundavia> DekaPink, you can pick and choose in theme details
[06:12] <hayden> ndiswrapper lets you be able to use some windows drivers on linux for wireless cards
[06:12] <hayden> whoops
[06:12] <hayden> has anyone successfully installed vpnclient-linux-4.0.5.tar.gz on ubuntu hoary? i need help doing this
[06:12] <Code_Dark> yeah, i know what ndiswrapper does; the problem is that i want to have it work with madwifi, which it *did* on the livecd. bah.
[06:12] <kaffeend> also, how do I change my splashscreen plz?
[06:13] <benplaut> kaffeend: apt-get install gtweakui
[06:13] <killjoi> What's the story on WoW being playable in LInux.
[06:13] <killjoi> And did wacoms ever get driver support?
[06:13] <kaffeend> benplaut - sorry?
[06:14] <simplydazed> How can you disable the Root terminal launcher in Applications >> System tools ?
[06:14] <milksteak> runs in cedega as far as I've heard
[06:14] <milksteak> newest version
[06:14] <killjoi> woot.
[06:14] <OC-Elf> killjoi, u need cedega to play WoW on Linux
[06:14] <milksteak> haven't tried it
[06:14] <milksteak> but bleh
[06:14] <killjoi> Now all I need is wacom support and I'll never need xp again.
[06:14] <benplaut> kaffeend: it's a tool for changing it... find "gtweakui" in synaptic, or by apt-get
[06:14] <OC-Elf> killjoi, ver 4.4 is the latest
[06:14] <killjoi> Thanks man.
[06:14] <kaffeend> good luck getting cedega
[06:14] <kaffeend> ok benplaut thanks
[06:14] <OC-Elf> use the cvs version
[06:14] <killjoi> Buddy of mine has an account at transgaming
[06:15] <OC-Elf> u get can it over at linuxgamers
[06:15] <killjoi> He doens't play many games
[06:15] <bimberi> simplydazed: why? - it's password protected - only "admin" users can use it
[06:15] <killjoi> word
[06:15] <whitefang> OC-Elf, have you ever been able to get hte cvs version to run D3D games?
[06:15] <killjoi> this community is so helpful it's retarded.
[06:15] <killjoi> I <3 linux
[06:15] <simplydazed> bimberi: i don't like it being there.
[06:16] <OC-Elf> whitefang, cant really say, i have not personally tried the cvs version, however there should not be many problems running d3d games
[06:16] <luminerd> where's my mouse?!
[06:16] <direwolf> its no different than a regular term + sudo
[06:16] <whitefang> well, i compiled it, and tried to run guild wars...
[06:16] <Code_Dark> is it possible to install from the livecd?
[06:16] <luminerd> OC-Elf, it's not /dev/mouse...that doesn't even exist :(
[06:17] <whitefang> it said there was no d3d
[06:17] <whitefang> so it didn't run
[06:17] <bimberi> simplydazed: oh - ok :)
[06:17] <direwolf> if you really want to i guess menueditor could help? not sure though
[06:17] <transgress> luminerd: probably /dev/input/mice
[06:17] <kaffeend> benplaut can't find it in synaptic and it looks like even if I could I wouldn't be able to run it coz my CDROM is busted
[06:18] <luminerd> transgress, probably? how can I check for sure?
[06:18] <OC-Elf> luminerd, then thats way weird
[06:18] <benplaut> hmm
[06:18] <kaffeend> nvm
[06:18] <transgress> luminerd: cat /dev/input/mice and then move the mouse
[06:18] <transgress> cat mice
[06:18] <transgress> yay
[06:18] <bimberi> simplydazed: you could install smeg to edit the menus ...
[06:18] <transgress> a linux funny
[06:18] <bimberi> !smeg
[06:18] <ubotu> I heard smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[06:18] <luminerd> transgress, it does not work.
[06:18] <Code_Dark> Using the normal Ubuntu LiveCD, do they have an 'install to hard disk' function?
[06:18] <OC-Elf> luminerd, did u run xorgconfig and try it again?
[06:18] <Zeroblitzt> Question: All I need to do to upgrade Warty to Hoary is change my apt-get sources file and make all instances of "warty" into "hoary"?
[06:19] <luminerd> OC-Elf, I ran a similar program, yes
[06:19] <transgress> luminerd: your mouse doesn't work at all? ps/2 or usb?
[06:19] <DekaPink> Rawr... Can anyone else not get on gnome look? I want to get the graphite files... heh.
[06:19] <benplaut> ubotu tell kaffeend about repos
[06:19] <luminerd> transgress, ps/2
[06:19] <luminerd> transgress, I can't get any mouse working on here :(
[06:20] <kaffeend> benplaut wtf?
[06:20] <luminerd> transgress, they work on my other comp though
[06:20] <benplaut> follow the instructions at that link...
[06:20] <OC-Elf> Section "InputDevice"
[06:20] <OC-Elf> Identifier "Configured Mouse"
[06:20] <OC-Elf> Driver "mouse"
[06:20] <OC-Elf> Option "CorePointer"
[06:20] <OC-Elf> Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
[06:20] <OC-Elf> Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2"
[06:20] <OC-Elf> Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true"
[06:20] <OC-Elf> Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
[06:20] <OC-Elf> EndSection
[06:20] <OC-Elf> taht is my xorg config for a ps2
[06:20] <gpd> /dev/input/mice is not ps2...
[06:20] <skalpel> does archive manager handle rar files?
[06:20] <sy> anyone know how to install airsnort tar.gz
[06:21] <benplaut> ubotu tell OC-Elf about pastebin
[06:21] <OC-Elf> gpd, yep thats true, but mine is a ps2
[06:21] <gpd> /dev/psaux is ps2 iirk
[06:21] <OC-Elf> gpd, it works just fine
[06:21] <nickrud> OC-Elf, that is the exact working config for my ps2
[06:21] <Kyral> sy, sudo apt-get install airsnort
[06:21] <Code_Dark> Guys, do any of you know if there's a way from the Ubuntu bootable livecd to install to hard disk?
[06:21] <sy> ok
[06:21] <gpd> yeah, it is dynamic
[06:21] <Kyral> Code_Dark, nope
[06:21] <HrdwrBoB> Code_Dark: not currently
[06:22] <luminerd> OC-Elf, that works to get X started
[06:22] <Code_Dark> okay, I have a question then.
[06:22] <luminerd> OC-Elf, but the mouse won't move
[06:22] <Code_Dark> In the LiveCD, ubuntu supports my wireless card
[06:22] <Kyral> you need to burn the Install CD ISO
[06:22] <nickrud> OC-Elf, and, pasting is not a good idea :)
[06:22] <Code_Dark> and can't seem to make it do that on the installed version
[06:22] <Code_Dark> any idea what's up?
[06:22] <OC-Elf> luminerd, lol thanks for the advice
[06:22] <pauldaoust> hey, could anyone recommend a good Jabber serer? I'm looking at the reference serer from jabber.org ('jabber' in the Hoary repository), jabberd2, and ejabberd. It'd be a small setup -- just for me and friends and family.
[06:22] <luminerd> OC-Elf, huh?
[06:22] <benplaut> !wireless
[06:22] <ubotu> from memory, wireless is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> Code_Dark, boot the live cd. check what modules are loaded as a start. perhaps.
[06:22] <direwolf> you might need to compile a driver module for it
[06:22] <OC-Elf> luminerd, hmm lets see then did you restart the pc?
[06:22] <luminerd> OC-Elf, lol, yes
[06:23] <luminerd> many-a-time :(
[06:23] <direwolf> or just use ndiswrapper
[06:23] <pauldaoust> and anyone know why my \/ key doesn't work in GAIM? funny thing is I can type capital V's fine
[06:23] <pauldaoust> just not lower-case
[06:23] <pauldaoust> isn't that random?
[06:23] <benplaut> Gnome is grabbing keys...
[06:23] <Code_Dark> Dr_Willis: how can i tell what's loaded at startup?
[06:23] <pauldaoust> benplaut: is that directed to me?
[06:23] <pavel_> hello
[06:23] <Dr_Willis> Code_Dark, lsmod command
[06:23] <luminerd> if all else fails, reboot right? XD it's gotta be good for something if M$ survived on the words "you need to reboot" for so long
[06:23] <hayden> how can i change a .pcf file so i can then try to use vpnc with it?
[06:23] <pavel_> I am new user of ubuntu so I'd like to ask someone if you use FLUXBOX insted of GNOME
[06:23] <luminerd> anyway, OC-Elf any ideas?
[06:24] <OC-Elf> luminerd, the mouse does not move at all
[06:24] <luminerd> OC-Elf, correct
[06:24] <benplaut> pauldaoust: yup
[06:24] <pauldaoust> ha ha! someone had accidentally mapped my 'v' key to 'enable logging'
[06:24] <pauldaoust> benplaut: thanks for the tip
[06:24] <pauldaoust> (it was just in GAIM that it was remapped)
[06:24] <benplaut> ahh
[06:24] <benplaut> heh...
[06:24] <Code_Dark> Dr_Willis: the only one that looks wireless-ish is wlan
[06:24] <benplaut> now go back and read your chopped up logs :P
[06:24] <OC-Elf> luminerd, did u try another mouse in the same port?
[06:25] <OC-Elf> luminerd, could be that the port is damaged
[06:25] <pauldaoust> benplaut: ho boy, you're right. it must be messy
[06:25] <MrGardenHoseMan> what's the equivalent of quicktime for ubuntu?
[06:25] <Dr_Willis> Code_Dark, time to check the ubuntu wiki pages and forums - i cant really help ya much in details.
[06:25] <luminerd> OC-Elf, yes I did. the other mice do not work either.
[06:25] <MrGardenHoseMan> more specificaly so it loads in firefox
[06:25] <Dr_Willis> Code_Dark, may want to save that lsmod output to a file in case ya need to know the name of some modules.
[06:25] <benplaut> pauldaoust: hehehe...
[06:25] <OC-Elf> luminerd, then u may have a broken port
[06:25] <simplydazed> bimberi: thanks
[06:25] <luminerd> OC-Elf, not cool :(
[06:25] <nickrud> MrGardenHoseMan mozilla-mplayer is the standard answer
[06:26] <bimberi> simplydazed: yw :)
[06:26] <OC-Elf> luminerd, outside of that i cant really say what could be wrong
[06:26] <luminerd> OC-Elf, how could that have possibly happened? it's brand new!
[06:26] <OC-Elf> luminerd, u have a usb port?
[06:26] <luminerd> OC-Elf, yea
[06:26] <luminerd> no usb mouse though if that's what you're getting at
[06:26] <Razor-X> what's the default device of a microphone that I didn't have to configure, /dev/dsp1 ?
[06:26] <sy> it says e: couldn't find package airsnort
[06:26] <pauldaoust> soooo... about that first question, does anyone have a Jabber daemon that they really like?
[06:26] <OC-Elf> luminerd, maybe try a usb mouse, cause if u have tried two mice and non work
[06:27] <MrGardenHoseMan> thanks
[06:27] <Razor-X> sy: now, why would you be needing airsnort? ;)
[06:28] <direwolf> heh
[06:28] <nolan_> i cant set up aim on linux (help)
[06:28] <monsterror> It comes with Gaim, Nolan
[06:28] <direwolf> its already there
[06:28] <skalpel> can someone tell me why i would be unable to start synaptic package manager from gnome?
[06:28] <nolan_> thanks
[06:28] <OC-Elf> nolan_, are u using gaim to set up the accounts?
[06:29] <skalpel> if i edit my ]
[06:29] <Madpilot> skalpel: does it give an error msg?
[06:29] <skalpel> /etc/hosts file to change my hostname how do i get X to recognize the new hostname?
[06:29] <sy> why not
[06:29] <OC-Elf> skalpel, if u have apt-get running it will not open
[06:29] <whitefang> i guess its too much to ask to have guild wars run. :(
[06:29] <skalpel> i do not have aptitude running
[06:29] <sy> i like to know thing that you should not know
[06:29] <whitefang> i even installed directx9 (i downloaded it from the MS site) through wine...
[06:29] <Dr_Willis> i aint played guildwars in ages
[06:30] <sy> just to learn
[06:30] <whitefang> and its still telling me i don't have directx
[06:30] <Dr_Willis> whitefang, thats scary.
[06:30] <nickrud> MrGardenHoseMan, and you'll need to step through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats as well
[06:30] <direwolf> apt-get install airsnort
[06:30] <Burgundavia> skalpel, what error does it throw up?
[06:30] <whitefang> Dr_Willis, have you played guild wars on linux?
[06:30] <Dr_Willis> whitefang, guildwars is sayng that? you useing the free wine? I hear cedega can play guild wars.. it sort of worked for me.
[06:30] <skalpel> i get an X server error when i try to start it from the term
[06:30] <skalpel> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[06:30] <mmoscosa> how do you compile a cvs???
[06:30] <whitefang> Dr_Willis, did you get the commercial version?
[06:31] <skalpel> this is after i edited my /etc/hosts file to change my hostname
[06:31] <Dr_Willis> whitefang, yes.
[06:31] <skalpel> maybe i should change it back
[06:31] <whitefang> Dr_Willis, what kind of things did you have to do to get it to run, other than installing the package?
[06:31] <OC-Elf> later guys..tommorrow
[06:31] <whitefang> did it just run fine with cedega?
[06:31] <direwolf> see ya elf
[06:31] <whitefang> without any messing about?
[06:31] <skalpel> synaptic still will not work though
[06:31] <glick> i dont get it first incomming didnt work and smtp worked now its the opposite
[06:31] <glick> wtf
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> whitefang, ive never had ANYTHING run 'fine' with cedega or wine.. almpost always some issues
[06:32] <supernix> does anyone know a good emule type client for kubuntu
[06:32] <supernix> ?
[06:32] <whitefang> Dr_Willis, well, was it playable?
[06:33] <Dr_Willis> whitefang, barely :P but that was 2 mo ago or so..
[06:33] <whitefang> but out of the box cedega ran it?
[06:33] <milksteak> supernix, amule's alright
[06:33] <whitefang> ie, you just installed cedega, and typed cedega Gw.exe
[06:33] <Dr_Willis> whitefang, also if you got an ati card its nasty, and 64bit disrto made it a pain...
[06:33] <whitefang> and it worked?
[06:33] <whitefang> i have 32bit distro, and a geforce card.
[06:33] <melio> how do I add repos to get more debs
[06:33] <Dr_Willis> whitefang, it required a few command line options to cedega AND to guildwars i recall.
[06:34] <melio> I need more apps like k3b and other neat stuff
[06:34] <Dr_Willis> like the -bigexe option, and i think theres a opengl option for guildwars.exe
[06:35] <f_newton> wussup melio
[06:35] <f_newton> ?
[06:35] <Melio> newton how do I add repos
[06:35] <supernix> ty milksteak
[06:35] <f_newton> are you getting used to the ubuntu install yet?
[06:35] <whitefang> Dr_Willis, any idea where i might find out what the opengl options is called?
[06:35] <Melio> f_newton, remember last night
[06:35] <Melio> that's when I left it
[06:35] <Melio> remember just now
[06:35] <Melio> that's when I came back to it
[06:35] <Melio> so no. Not yet :P
[06:35] <Melio> it's still running. that's a good sign
[06:35] <f_newton> melio applications/systemtools/rootterminal synaptic
[06:36] <Melio> synaptic ok
[06:36] <Razor-X> is your microphone located in /dev/asp?
[06:36] <mmoscosa> does anyone knows how to compile a cvs file?
[06:36] <whitefang> oh, and how long after you send in your credit card # do you get access to the downloads and support?
[06:36] <Razor-X> mmoscosa: it's generally the same as a normal compile, unless you don't have ./configure there
[06:36] <direwolf> sudo pico /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:36] <Razor-X> (then there's a tad special method there)
[06:36] <HrdwrBoB> mmoscosa: because of the way you phrased that, you should really tell us what you want
[06:36] <HrdwrBoB> and we can probably help you :)
[06:36] <whitefang> mmoscosa, try autoconf && ./configure && make
[06:37] <barkley> actually autogen.sh...sometimes you can just do a ./configure though
[06:37] <Razor-X> yeah, autogen.sh generate the ./configure file
[06:37] <f_newton> melio click on settings/repositories etc
[06:37] <mmoscosa> HrdwrBoB I am trying to install Cedega
[06:37] <Razor-X> s/generate/generates/
[06:37] <Melio> f_newton synaptic / repos. ok
[06:37] <Melio> now what. pick differnt ones?
[06:37] <Melio> or add more
[06:37] <HrdwrBoB> mmoscosa: there's a few guides on that available
[06:37] <HrdwrBoB> I would suggest one on linux-gamers.net
[06:38] <Melio> I'm guessing add more. where do I find a list of trustable ubuntu repos
[06:38] <f_newton> look do you see all the repos listed there? click on each one and add the options
[06:38] <direwolf> i got the driver working which is nice because i can put my card in monitor mode ...doesnt support restricted key though :/
[06:38] <f_newton> then reload
[06:38] <mmoscosa> HrdwrBoB cheers
[06:38] <HrdwrBoB> mmoscosa: although of course the easy option is to buy iut
[06:38] <HrdwrBoB> it
[06:39] <f_newton> I have never got recording right in any linux distro
[06:39] <Melio> f_newton the only repos I have in this list is "ubuntu 5.04 updates and security updates and cd source
[06:39] <f_newton> I use adat
[06:39] <mmoscosa> HrdwrBoB hehehe lol
[06:39] <direwolf> theyre all over the forums melio
[06:39] <nickrud> get a better sound card, don't fight it
[06:39] <Melio> direwolf, which ones are trustable
[06:39] <f_newton> click on them and you will see further options
[06:40] <f_newton> there is also a site somewhere that has a lot of deb repos but... what in the world do you want that isnt on all those repos?
[06:40] <direwolf> the *.ubuntu.org ones
[06:40] <direwolf> but hey ya gotta live life on the edge!
[06:40] <Melio> f_newton ok lemme try your way.. hold on
[06:40] <f_newton> whoa...
[06:41] <hayden> has anyone successfully installed cisco vpnclient on ubuntu hoary? i need help doing this
[06:42] <Razor-X> ...... if this continues, i'm gonna have to use vnc to record :(
[06:42] <Melio> man all I wanna do is install some wanted apps
[06:42] <Melio> java JRE or JDK for right now
[06:42] <Melio> might already be there.lemme check
[06:43] <f_newton> I found java common in the repos melio
[06:43] <Melio> yeah but is that enough to run what I need
[06:43] <Melio> I'll find out
[06:43] <f_newton> I dont know
[06:43] <f_newton> lol
[06:43] <nickrud> !tell melio about java
[06:43] <f_newton> I like this bot
[06:43] <raDeon> Melio, www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:43] <Melio> raDeon, thanks
[06:44] <nickrud> not my favorite, but it works
[06:44] <Madpilot> !ubuntuguide
[06:44] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[06:45] <raDeon> Melio, any time.
[06:45] <calamari> hello
[06:45] <gpd> is that the only complaint about ubuntuguide? I thought it was more that it encourged evilness
[06:45] <nickrud> gpd, isn't that enough?
[06:46] <kyncani> gpd: ubuntuguide is now ubuntu wiki -> FAQGuide
[06:46] <gpd> nickrud: yeah, but i am just surprised that is the emphasis
[06:46] <Madpilot> I gather that some of the ubuntuguide configs will bend or break your system...
[06:47] <pestilence> so, using the ubuntu install cd to re-install grub after a windows install had one hitch...grub doesn't like the $TERM variable that the rescue cd sets...bterm. after changing it to xterm, grub ran and reinstalled ok
[06:47] <duken> can to install kylix on ubuntu?
[06:47] <nickrud> gpd I'm not suprised, I've had to help for a living
[06:47] <Code_Dark> okay! progress
[06:47] <Code_Dark> kinda.
[06:47] <nickrud> not for a long time, thank god
[06:47] <Code_Dark> play
[06:47] <Code_Dark> okay *
[06:48] <IcemanV9> is it kylix similiar to pascal?
[06:48] <Code_Dark> now, my wifi card just says 'disconnect'
[06:48] <Code_Dark> disconnected*
[06:48] <Code_Dark> still doesnt totally connect it.
[06:48] <duken> iceaxe18, no, but delphi
[06:48] <Melio> brb can't work without dualhead. just edited xorg
[06:49] <deprave> !tell deprave about flash
[06:49] <duken> sorry, i mean, for IcemanV9
[06:49] <Code_Dark> ah, here's something interesting
[06:49] <IcemanV9> delphi is based on pascal; close enough
[06:49] <Code_Dark> 'lo' says disconnected too
[06:49] <IcemanV9> and kylix is not in repos
[06:49] <Code_Dark> so it seems that all networking is disabled
[06:49] <Code_Dark> how can i fix that?
[06:49] <nekohayo> if I plug a LCD screen instead of a previous CRT, do I need to change stuff in xorg.conf?
[06:50] <direwolf> most likely
[06:50] <hayden> has anyone successfully installed cisco vpnclient on ubuntu hoary? i need help doing this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:51] <direwolf> find its specs then you can do a sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to make any necessary changes (most likely resolutions & refresh rates)?
[06:52] <Agrajag-> gday. what's the best way to 'install' a true type font?
[06:52] <nekohayo> that'S only about the resolution & refresh?
[06:52] <nickrud> heh, shaboom indeed
[06:52] <nickrud> :)
[06:52] <direwolf> no its for everything
[06:52] <IcemanV9> hayden: sudo apt-get install vpnc (Cisco-compatible VPN client)
[06:52] <nekohayo> Agrajag, you could put them in your .fonts folder in your homedir
[06:52] <direwolf> but not all of it will have to be changed
[06:52] <Agrajag-> k
[06:52] <sproingie> i use the pointy clicky "install font" thing in kde
[06:52] <direwolf> your mouse, keyboard etc
[06:52] <sproingie> far as i know, it moves the font to .fonts tho
[06:53] <nekohayo> no no what I mean is
[06:53] <nekohayo> the only difference with the lcd will be the resolution & refresh rates?
[06:53] <Agrajag-> once it's there, do i need to restart anything?
[06:53] <nekohayo> there's nothing else I need to worry about?
[06:53] <Madpilot> Agrajag: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FontInstallHowto
[06:53] <nekohayo> Agrajag, don't think so
[06:53] <direwolf> dunno
[06:53] <Agrajag-> kk ta
[06:53] <direwolf> check specs
[06:53] <sun_> hello
[06:53] <sproingie> Agrajag: currently running apps might not pick it up. restarting X will usually fix that
[06:54] <hayden> IcemanV9, do u know how to conver a pcf profile to vpnc?
[06:54] <F0ckF3ar22> i dont have a cd rom dirve on my sony vaio but i have a floppy drive... and a network connection with other comps on it.. is there a way to install ubuntu.. i also have an ipod that could be used as a usb disk
[06:54] <IcemanV9> hayden: no. sorry.
[06:55] <f_newton> melio howzit goin?
[06:55] <Keegan> I am looking for a distro of linux that will support developmental software for a computer engineer. Is Ubuntu a good 1, or is there another 1 I should be looking at?
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> F0ckF3ar22, the ubuntu wiki has some alternative install docs i saw just the other day
[06:55] <nekohayo> Keegan, you should just try it
[06:55] <f_newton> dr willis you really get around
[06:55] <Burgundavia> F0ckF3ar22, search for installation and see the subpages
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> Keegan, about any linux disrto can do that.. just avoide lindows :P
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> f_newton, lol :P
[06:55] <Madpilot> F0ckF3ar22: try this: wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/Netboot
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> f_newton, dont tell my wife.,
[06:56] <Keegan> what applications are availible for developers? is KDE a better bet than Gnome?
[06:56] <f_newton> heh that werent YOUR wife wuz it?
[06:56] <nekohayo> try them both.
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> Keegan, you are getting a little over focued by allready worring about gnome vs kde. :P
[06:56] <Keegan> it seems to be the topic of some debate
[06:56] <transgress> Keegan: you know how they said there are no stupid questions? well you're testing the guy who said that
[06:57] <Dr_Willis> every thing has its pros and cons.. depending on the job at hand.
[06:57] <transgress> Keegan: it's not up for debate... it's a matter of taste
[06:57] <nekohayo> juuuust trrryyyyyyyyy ;)))))))
[06:57] <bimberi> lol
[06:57] <dbernar1> well, ya, and also a matter of what you need.
[06:57] <Keegan> are there more apps developed for one versus the other?
[06:57] <Dr_Willis> for example for an embeded device - you may want to look into the qt stuff. ect...
[06:57] <transgress> dbernar1: eh you can cross most things over... i run into little i can't do in kde that i can do in gnome...
[06:58] <nekohayo> and it's the same way around.. :)
[06:58] <transgress> Dr_Willis: qt isn't kde... and gtk isn't gnome
[06:58] <raDeon> god
[06:58] <raDeon> you'd think a doctor would know that
[06:58] <transgress> raDeon: where?!
[06:58] <Dr_Willis> transgress, right. :P is there an embeded gtk?
[06:58] <raDeon> transgress, ;)
[06:58] <Dr_Willis> hmm.. i wonder what that nokia770 is useing.
[06:58] <nekohayo> what, you mean batteries?
[06:59] <transgress> Dr_Willis: the point is... i could just as easily program embedded qt stuff while sitting in gnome as i could in kde... or xfce or fluxbox...
[06:59] <Dr_Willis> I think it has a full X on it. (well as full as an embdede device can have)
[06:59] <Dr_Willis> transgress, or in DOS.. :P oh wait.. not that extream.
[06:59] <transgress> Dr_Willis: haha
[06:59] <Dr_Willis> transgress, now next will be the What IDE to use argument!
[06:59] <Keegan> I am speaking of developingn software in Java and in C++, are there free apps that will do this?
[06:59] <transgress> that's not up for debate either
[06:59] <transgress> Dr_Willis: vi... what else? ;)
[06:59] <Dr_Willis> emacs! :P
[07:00] <Code_Dark> wow, this is interesting. I'm reinstalling ubuntu; this time, as I'm installing, my wifi card is working. INTERESTING.
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> vim.
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> Code_Dark, lol.
[07:00] <nekohayo> Code_Dark, what is your wifi card?
[07:00] <transgress> Code_Dark: i've had weird shit like that happen too... isn't it grand?
[07:00] <bimberi> Code_Dark: don't question it - just be happy
[07:00] <Code_Dark> D-Link DWL-G650 C2
[07:00] <f_newton> codedark thats how it is supposed to be
[07:00] <nekohayo> ah ha
[07:00] <nekohayo> it's prism based as I recall
[07:00] <Code_Dark> bimberi: hopefully it'll work as it actually boots -.-
[07:00] <nekohayo> lucky bastard XD
[07:00] <f_newton> prism2 intersil cards are great
[07:01] <f_newton> orinoco, netgear, 2wire, agere, etc etc
[07:01] <Code_Dark> the *real* question... is whether or not it will work after the boot. I really, really really really hope it does.
[07:01] <Code_Dark> thanks, bimberi :D
[07:01] <f_newton> it will if ya dont mess wif it
[07:01] <Dr_Willis> heh - i disabled my wireless router - and ran wires all throth the house. Getting to be to many of the local neighbors also doing wireless.
[07:01] <nekohayo> I'm thinking of getting a netgear WG511T card I've seen around here, I think it's atheros based. However, could someone tell me, between atheros and prism, if one is better than the other?
[07:01] <Dr_Willis> figured some punk kid may try somthing!
[07:02] <f_newton> yeah and all the cell phones interfere with the blasted reception
[07:02] <IcemanV9> Code_Dark: i have g650 card .. it works every boot. :)
[07:02] <Dr_Willis> I need a new wireless router mine is OLD and very few security features :)
[07:02] <Code_Dark> IcemanV9: yay :)
[07:02] <Code_Dark> my last intall must have been a fluke.
[07:02] <jay> Can someone help me figure out this java - firefox crap?
[07:02] <jay> heh
[07:02] <Dr_Willis> The microwave oven kills this one.
[07:02] <Keegan> Does anyone know of a webpage that presents the differances, advantages, disadvantages, etc (preferably in tabular form) of KDE and Gnome?
[07:02] <nekohayo> jay, try using the method from ubuntuguide
[07:02] <f_newton> I never use wifi at the house for the same reason dr willis but my lappy leaches it all over town
[07:02] <jay> method for installation?
[07:02] <nekohayo> I figured out that IF you follow that to the letter, and use THEIR repositories, it works
[07:03] <Dr_Willis> Keegan, from a user point of view? or a programer programing IN gnome vs kde point of view?
[07:03] <nekohayo> yeah, just a sec
[07:03] <d4rk-t3mpl4r> hello there
[07:03] <Burgundavia> nekohayo, please don't recommend the ubuntuguide
[07:03] <jay> I'm talking about dealing with the firefox unexpectedly closing not installing it
[07:03] <d4rk-t3mpl4r> anyone of the dev-team online ?
[07:03] <Burgundavia> d4rk-t3mpl4r, what issue do you have?
[07:03] <f_newton> lol keegan my view is this: kde bloated, glitchy, resource hoggish, sloppy but really neato look
[07:03] <Keegan> Dr_Willis: probably a programmer's POV
[07:03] <f_newton> gnome - good running simple clear to understand simply put wm
[07:04] <nekohayo> ah
[07:04] <nekohayo> I don't know then
[07:04] <nekohayo> Burgundavia, why ?
[07:04] <Burgundavia> !ubuntuguide
[07:04] <ubotu> [ubuntuguide] a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[07:04] <nekohayo> oh
[07:04] <nekohayo> thanks.
[07:04] <f_newton> heh
[07:04] <nekohayo> *jots down*
[07:05] <Dr_Willis> so its not that they are BAD instructions.. :P they are just not detailed in what they do.
[07:05] <Keegan> u see, I am considering converting over from windows to linux. But I am going to college for computer engineering, and want to make sure that I am able to complete the programming necessary
[07:05] <Keegan> they all use Visual Studio down there
[07:05] <d4rk-t3mpl4r> Burgundavia: dont have any, just to say that i'm CG artist running ubuntu with Gnome GUI and it's a pleasure to run and use it, I even started using GIMP and very like the soft :)
[07:05] <Dr_Willis> Keegan, the classes will proberly try to force you to use that stuff then.
[07:05] <Keegan> possibly
[07:05] <Burgundavia> d4rk-t3mpl4r, cool
[07:05] <Dr_Willis> Keegan, and you will have little options.
[07:06] <IcemanV9> Keegan: dual-boot may be the option fer ya
[07:06] <Keegan> but I used another piece of software in my C programming class
[07:06] <sproingie> hm. as a kde user, i'd say that most kde apps tend to look busier than gnome
[07:06] <d4rk-t3mpl4r> to the dev team: great job! keep the faith! even "home-users" with no teckies knowledge appreciate opensource :)
[07:07] <nekohayo> wow and I didn't even know that thing existed!
[07:07] <nekohayo> since when is it "not recommended" to recommend the ubuntu guide anymore?
[07:07] <Burgundavia> nekohayo, for a while
[07:07] <transgress> i do believe cracking open my computer to put one of these hard drives in and put some bsd on it
[07:07] <transgress> *believe i'll be
[07:08] <SlyyDawg> Hello.
[07:08] <d4rk-t3mpl4r> well gotta go sleep, keep the good work buddies, I REALLY HATE MICRO$OFF BULLSHIT AND LOVE OPENSOURCE so kick your butt and keep doing great work! ;D
[07:08] <nekohayo> hmm.. don't go shouting this everywhere however.
[07:08] <sproingie> dude, you need to raise your dosage
[07:08] <sproingie> or lower it
[07:09] <IcemanV9> transgress: go 4 it; nobody ain't stoppin ya
[07:09] <sproingie> anyone know how to install a gtk icon set without gnome installed?
[07:09] <vick> AMD althon 3800+ 2.4Ghz Vs Intel Processor M 1.86Ghz with Centrino Technology for laptop, in speed / heat / loudness ?
[07:09] <Madpilot> !quot
[07:09] <ubotu> "Computer games dont affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music."
[07:09] <SlyyDawg> So I just installed Hoary for the first time. (Potential convert from Fedora.) My biggest problem right now is that I can't change my screen resolution from 640x480. Can someone help me out?
[07:09] <Burgundavia> sproingie, apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[07:09] <Madpilot> Dr_Willis: see ubotu's quote... ^^^
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> Madpilot, im more of a "Mr Du" kind of guy myself. :P
[07:10] <amonkey> after updating to 1.0.6, firefox won't start. the "starting firefox" box comes up, but firefox never meterializes
[07:10] <sproingie> Burgundavia: "install gnome" isn't the answer i'm looking for
[07:11] <Burgundavia> sproingie, ;)
[07:11] <sun_> anyone having problems with Pothana2000?
[07:11] <sun_> it looks so weird in ubuntu
[07:11] <hayden> anyone know how to change a cisco vpn client profile (pcf) to one that can be read by vpnc?
[07:11] <direwolf> if you can get gtk for windows im sure its possible ....
[07:11] <glick> excuse me how can i make a shortcut on my desktop that when i click on it it will ssh login on another computer and give me a terminal, i remimber doing it once but cant remimber how
[07:12] <benplaut> !factinfo quot
[07:12] <ubotu> quot -- created by cafuego <[email protected]> 2d 21h 45m 45s ago; it has been requested once, last by Madpilot, 2m 43s ago.
[07:13] <Madpilot> sun_: what is Pothana2000?
[07:13] <glick> does anyone know what im talkin about?
[07:16] <sun_> Madpilot, it is font for Telugu language
[07:16] <sun_> I can show you some screenshots; just switched from FC4 to ubuntu hoary, everything looks really weird
[07:16] <quicoju> hi! is there a command to know which ubuntu versin i'm running?
[07:17] <nickrud> quicoju, cat /etc/issue
[07:17] <benplaut> quicoju: at the top of the screen, does it say "Applications Places System", or just "Applications System" ?
[07:17] <benplaut> the other way to tell :P
[07:17] <Madpilot> sun_: Ubuntu should come with a complete set of Indic fonts
[07:17] <nickrud> ;)
[07:18] <fizile> hey im having a little problem with my multimedia
[07:18] <fizile> my ubuntu likes to use my onboard sound instead of my sound card for audio output
[07:18] <sun_> Madpilot, yeah it's the same font I used in FC4; I guess the problem is with Pango
[07:18] <quicoju> benplaut:Applications Places System
[07:18] <calamari> speaking of those menus.. after upgrading to Hoary, they have every item listed twice.. any way to r5emove the dups?
[07:18] <sun_> Is there anyway to tell if pango is enabled?
[07:19] <Madpilot> sun_: in fact, Ubuntu comes with Pothana2000 already.
[07:19] <fizile> anyway to set the default sound device, like to use my sound card instead of my onboard sound?
[07:20] <nickrud> sun, if gnome is working, pango is enabled
[07:20] <sun_> Madpilot, correct. It's the same one. But it seems to be rendered differently here...
[07:20] <benplaut> quicoju: you're running 5.04 Hoary Hedgehog
[07:20] <nickrud> fizile, you will probably need to add the kernel module for your onboard sound to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[07:20] <fizile> i see i see
[07:21] <IcemanV9> quicoju: or type 'cat /etc/issue' :)
[07:21] <nickrud> fizile, lsmod | grep snd , and the first module you see is probably the one you want to blacklist. what is it?
[07:21] <Madpilot> sun_: could Ubuntu be using a different version of Pango?
[07:22] <sun_> Madpilot, i think that may be the problem.
[07:22] <quicoju> IcemanV9: thanx
[07:22] <fizile> snd_emu10k1
[07:22] <quicoju> benplaut thanx
[07:22] <crispynix-v6> fizile: onboard sound and sound card usually don't work well together.
[07:22] <Madpilot> sun_: search Synaptic for pango, and check which version Ubuntu is using
[07:22] <fizile> but im pretty sure thats my soundblaster live... but not really
[07:22] <nickrud> fizile, is that the card you plugged in? (soundblaster of some kind?)
[07:22] <nickrud> heh
[07:23] <fizile> i see snd_ac97_codec which could be the nforce2 onboard action going on
[07:23] <crispynix-v6> fizile: disable the onboard sound, otherwise you'll only have problems.
[07:23] <fizile> disable it in bios perhaps?
[07:23] <crispynix-v6> yep
[07:23] <nickrud> fizile, crispynix-v6 makes it easy
[07:23] <sun_> Madpilot, it says 1.8.1-0ubuntu2 and I have the latest
[07:24] <fizile> ill try that it seems like it should work logically
[07:24] <Code_Dark> when, during the ubuntu installation, does one set a root password?
[07:24] <fizile> ill be back in a min or two while i do that
[07:24] <IcemanV9> Code_Dark: nope
[07:24] <bimberi> Code_Dark: you don't - sudo is used instead
[07:25] <Madpilot> sun_: not sure what to suggest. If it's a problem, bug report it to bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[07:25] <arkie> i have 256MB RAM.....will increasing swap partition give me a perfomance boost?
[07:25] <sun_> Madpilot, thanks for your help. :-)
[07:25] <Madpilot> sun_: np
[07:25] <nickrud> arkie, no, not really. It'll just let you run more apps, more slowly :)
[07:25] <glick> damn i wish my evolution worked
[07:26] <arkie> i have 256MB RAM.....and 512MB swap....will increasing swap partition give me a perfomance boost?
[07:26] <f_newton> no
[07:26] <f_newton> you need more real ram
[07:26] <glick> hey whats the best way to go about getting a nvidia card working in ubuntu?
[07:26] <glick> use synaptic?
[07:26] <f_newton> plug it in plug it in
[07:26] <f_newton> ...
[07:26] <Madpilot> !nvidia
[07:26] <ubotu> methinks nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[07:26] <nickrud> just went from 256 to 512, and .... :)
[07:27] <glick> i have a gig of ram isnt there anyway i can use a high memory kernel
[07:27] <nekohayo> any difference between prism and atheros chipsets in terms of features/performance?
[07:27] <glick> or must i do a self compile?
[07:27] <f_newton> prism works\
[07:27] <nekohayo> atheros do not?
[07:27] <Madpilot> shouldn't 1Gb be supported regularly?
[07:27] <IcemanV9> atheros works as well
[07:28] <f_newton> there's yer answer
[07:28] <nickrud> glick, I've heard that 686 is a high mem kernel
[07:28] <benplaut> but the old verson of wireless-tools in Hoary hampers it a bit
[07:28] <f_newton> lol
[07:28] <fizile> awesome.
[07:28] <nekohayo> heh. then I'm no more advanced :P
[07:28] <fizile> totally fixed it heh, screw onboard sound :P
[07:28] <nickrud> meh, I just parrot some stuff
[07:28] <f_newton> thar ya go
[07:28] <glick> nickrud, use the 686 kernel?
[07:28] <IcemanV9> my wifi card uses atheros chipset - it does work
[07:29] <nekohayo> out of the box?
[07:29] <benplaut> so does mine- it kinda works
[07:29] <nickrud> glick, ask here, someone I trust said something like that
[07:29] <fizile> thanks nickrud crispynix-v6 got the job done
[07:29] <benplaut> out of box
[07:29] <fizile> but why didnt i think of this earlier ;-)
[07:29] <IcemanV9> nekohayo: yes
[07:29] <nekohayo> so there isn't really a difference between the two, for the end user
[07:29] <Code_Dark> okay, here's a serious question: when the installation disc is inserted, my wireless card works. when I eject it for the post-install-installation-stuffs, it stops working. any idea why?
[07:29] <nekohayo> thanks
[07:30] <glick> yeah im using the linux-386 package
[07:30] <glick> i have a pentium4
[07:30] <glick> with a gig of ram
[07:30] <IcemanV9> hmm .. never installed via wifi method
[07:30] <IcemanV9> before
[07:30] <nickrud> glick, then switching to a 686 will lose you nothing, and gain you a bit, besides the himem stuff
[07:31] <Code_Dark> IcemanV9: how do you get your card to work, then?
[07:31] <glick> nickrud, what do you mean besides the himem stuff
[07:31] <glick> ?
[07:31] <glick> i want the high mem
[07:31] <nickrud> in case I'm quoting some one wrong, thats a standard disclaimer
[07:31] <glick> thats 256 megs that are going to waste
[07:32] <IcemanV9> Code_Dark: i just updated the madwifi driver (manually)
[07:32] <nickrud> glick, try it, if it works, it works, if it doesn't, you've lost nothing, and learned something.
[07:32] <Code_Dark> IcemanV9: is there a tutorial on how to do that?
[07:32] <IcemanV9> glick: i have P4/512 MB Ram and uses 686 kernel
[07:32] <IcemanV9> glick: it works just fine - no major problems
[07:33] <glick> IcemanV9, yeah i have a p4 with a gig of ram i want to be able to use the entire gig of ram
[07:33] <IcemanV9> Code_Dark: yes, it is in Ubuntu forums
[07:33] <pax> what happened to nvu, it's not in the repos anymore?
[07:33] <nJess> i just put a new video card in my ubuntu box, now it won't boot
[07:33] <nJess> what can i do?
[07:33] <pax> !find nvu
[07:33] <nJess> it boots i mean
[07:33] <nJess> x won't start
[07:33] <nJess> how do i reconfig x?
[07:33] <IcemanV9> glick: what makes you think it won't use all of RAM?
[07:33] <nekohayo> udo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg , I think
[07:33] <benplaut> !nvu
[07:33] <ubotu> well, nvu is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingNvu http://www.nvu.com/ Linux/Mac/Windows Web authoring.
[07:33] <nekohayo> correct me if I'm wrong ppl
[07:33] <glick> IcemanV9, i dont know, the current kernel does not
[07:34] <benplaut> ubotu tell nJess about xserve
[07:34] <benplaut> ubotu tell nJess about xserver
[07:34] <nekohayo> benplaut, .......is this an automated support bot I saw you using? never saw this before
[07:34] <IcemanV9> glick: ah. ok. install 686 kernel. it won't bomb ur box. you can alway go back if it does not work for whatever the reason (i'm sure it will be fine)
[07:34] <benplaut> yup
[07:34] <nickrud> glick, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-21.1496455883/view?searchterm=686
[07:35] <nekohayo> where can I read about it?
[07:35] <Madpilot> ubotu tell nekohayo about ubotu
[07:35] <glick> ahh
[07:35] <glick> thanks lemme reboot and try it out
[07:35] <benplaut> ubotu tell nekohayo about add
[07:35] <glick> brb
[07:36] <Madpilot> ubotu tell nekohayo about list
[07:36] <dr_willis> ubotu tell nekohayo about the hot date we had.
[07:36] <dr_willis> :P
i dunno what is 'the hot date we had.'.
[07:36] <dr_willis> LOL
[07:36] <Madpilot> dr_willis: :p
[07:37] <nJess> im getting a no screen found error, can this be caused by plugging my display into the wrong plug on my video card?
[07:37] <Madpilot> dr_willis: at least you didn't get asked if you were smoking crack...
[07:37] <dr_willis> nJess, or bad modelines in the x config.
[07:37] <nJess> dr_willis, i just reconfigured x
[07:37] <nJess> it still will not start
[07:37] <benplaut> hmm
[07:37] <benplaut> nJess: what's the error?
[07:38] <nJess> no screen found
[07:38] <nJess> hmmm
[07:38] <nekohayo> XD
[07:38] <nJess> can you host the nvidia driver so i can wget it?
[07:38] <nJess> perhaps then my xserver will start
[07:39] <benplaut> nJess: make sure the moniter is plugged in :P
[07:39] <nJess> benplaut, i should hope it is
[07:39] <nJess> im working on the machine locally
[07:39] <nJess> not ssh
[07:39] <Madpilot> benplaut: nJess: that's always a good start! ;)
[07:39] <nJess> could my screen be plugged into the wrong port on the card?
[07:39] <glick> awesome thanks
[07:40] <glick> it see my shizzy
[07:40] <nJess> i have two identical vga ports
[07:40] <glick> man i love linux
[07:40] <nJess> is xorg bitchy about which port i use?
[07:40] <benplaut> yup
[07:40] <benplaut> try the other
[07:40] <glick> i dont see why people are all like its all hard n shit
[07:40] <IcemanV9> glick: glad it works out fer ya. yay! :)
[07:40] <benplaut> glick: it's all FUD
[07:40] <glick> plus with netpanzer and fortune what more do you need
[07:41] <nickrud> just dictd, and you're good to go ;)
[07:41] <glick> i have been runnin linux for years, its funny cause when im on a windows machine i look like a total idiot cause i dont remimber how to do anything on a window machine
[07:41] <nJess> i have a screen in each plug on my card
[07:41] <PlutoPrime> http://elysium.dnsalias.net/web/desk5.jpg ... now this looks sexy :)
[07:41] <nJess> still not detecting a screen
[07:41] <glick> hehe im a windows newbie
[07:41] <nJess> i had the same error when i had bad drivers on my laptop
[07:41] <nJess> should i try using a new driver?
[07:42] <glick> is the ubuntuguide.org reliable source of information
[07:42] <nickrud> I boot windows about once a month, and only install drivers from the manufacturers. I'm a windows won't be :)
[07:43] <IcemanV9> PlutoPrime: it is. :)
[07:43] <HrdwrBoB> glick: no
[07:43] <nickrud> glick, sometimes, but caveat emptor
[07:43] <HrdwrBoB> glick: it's a useful source, but should be taken with a grain of salt
[07:43] <glick> so where should i go to see how to get my nvidia workin?
[07:43] <PlutoPrime> IcemanV9, yup :)
[07:43] <HrdwrBoB> glick: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:43] <glick> i have had this for months now and never bothered to get it working properly
[07:44] <nJess> i was watching the new battlestar galactica recently
[07:45] <nJess> and they got hacked because they had a two computers networked together with actual wires
[07:45] <nJess> but that doesn't make sense, because how could that work if they had no wireless access? lol
[07:45] <nJess> i look to much into tv :/
[07:45] <IcemanV9> PlutoPrime: you put the panel on the bottom? just like windows? :P
[07:45] <benplaut> nJess: can't hurt to try another driver...
[07:46] <Madpilot> ubotu tell glick about nvidia
[07:46] <nelsongs> help somebody please???
[07:46] <nelsongs> i have an hp notebook, intel 915gm graphics
[07:46] <nelsongs> it doesn't work
[07:46] <nelsongs> with the i810 drv
[07:47] <IcemanV9> glick: if you can get nvidia up and running, then you have an awesome ubuntu box! :)
[07:47] <nelsongs> anyone?
[07:47] <glick> hmm apparently nvidia drivers are buggy as hell
[07:47] <glick> IcemanV9, why you say that?
[07:47] <nJess> i need kernel source
[07:47] <nJess> how do i get kernel source?
[07:47] <glick> IcemanV9, is it that difficult?
[07:48] <sun_> what's the equivalent of xinetd or /sbin/service in ubuntu?
[07:48] <nJess> !ndiswrapper
[07:48] <ubotu> I heard ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[07:48] <nickrud> nelsongs, maybe https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptopsIBM can help
[07:48] <IcemanV9> glick: heard half stories are bad AND other good ones on nvidia
[07:48] <benplaut> !thinkpad
[07:48] <ubotu> from memory, thinkpad is the brand of laptops made by IBM (and now, Lenovo). They have a reputation as being quite linux compatible, but make up for it in a somewhat steep price
[07:48] <IcemanV9> glick: hoping yours is on the good side
[07:48] <benplaut> ubotu forget thinkpad
[07:48] <ubotu> benplaut: i forgot thinkpad
[07:49] <dbernar1> !msg the bot
[07:49] <ubotu> msg the bot is probably please use /msg ubotu to play with the bot, the channel does not benefit much from your fun. Sorry.
[07:49] <benplaut> ubotu thinkpad is the brand of laptops made by IBM (and now, Lenovo). They have a reputation as being quite linux compatible, but make up for it in a somewhat steep price. information on compatibility at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptopsIBM
[07:49] <ubotu> okay, benplaut
[07:49] <nelsongs> nickrud, i have an hp notebook, not ibm
[07:49] <nickrud> duh
[07:50] <glick> hmm wonder why the root terminal didnt ask me for my password
[07:50] <sun_> anyone know how to control daemons in ubuntu? like /sbin/service?
[07:50] <jasoncohen> sun_, /etc/init.d/servicename start|restart|stop
[07:50] <dbernar1> sun_: be more specific
[07:50] <nickrud> well, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptopsHewlettPackard?highlight=%28laptop%29
[07:50] <jasoncohen> sun_, a nice tool for controlling what services start on boot is rcconf. if you want a gui tool you can try bum
[07:51] <nickrud> got lazy, didn't cut all the search stuff
[07:51] <F0ckF3ar22> i dont have a cd rom dirve on my sony vaio but i have a floppy drive... and a network connection with other comps on it.. is there a way to install ubuntu.. i also have an ipod that could be used as a usb disk
[07:51] <jasoncohen> rcconf is in universe - "sudo apt-get install rcconf ; rcconf"
[07:51] <IcemanV9> uh .. thinkpad is brought by lenovo? w0w
[07:51] <dr_willis> F0ckF3ar22, did you check the Ubuntu alterntive install wiki section yet?
[07:51] <F0ckF3ar22> no i didnt
[07:51] <F0ckF3ar22> what is that
[07:51] <dr_willis> go to the ubuntu homepage and look at the wiki
[07:52] <sun_> dbernar1, in other distros i can restart sshd like this: /sbin/service sshd restart
[07:52] <dbernar1> sudo /etc/init.d/sshd restart should work.
[07:52] <F0ckF3ar22> dr_willis what do i need
[07:52] <glick> works fine
[07:52] <dbernar1> Most all, as jasoncohen said, will work on his pattern above.
[07:52] <F0ckF3ar22> dr_willis ok
[07:53] <glick> but i wonder how come i can open a root terminal without entering a password?
[07:53] <dbernar1> or even all, not sure.
[07:53] <nickrud> all, if implemented.
[07:54] <nelsongs> nickrud, still nothing.
[07:54] <Madpilot> !netboot
[07:54] <ubotu> Madpilot: I don't know, could you explain it?
[07:54] <nelsongs> anyone?
[07:54] <Madeye> ubuntuguide.org is down do you know any mirrors?
[07:54] <dbernar1> nelsongs: what do you want, your what does not work? video card? X server?
[07:55] <KamiVIP> hi
[07:55] <dbernar1> yo
[07:55] <Madpilot> ubotu netboot is a method of installing Ubuntu over a network. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/Netboot
[07:55] <ubotu> okay, Madpilot
[07:55] <nelsongs> dbernar1, X server doesn't work
[07:55] <Madpilot> Madeye: wiki.ubuntu.com
[07:55] <nJess> i need the kernel source, how do i get that?
[07:55] <nelsongs> i have an hp notebook, dv4000, with intel 915 graphics
[07:55] <glick> does anyone know?
[07:55] <glick> i expect to have to enter in a password when i open a root terminal
[07:55] <dbernar1> nelsongs: so its integrated graphics on a motherboard?
[07:55] <glick> but it doesnt ask me for one
[07:55] <nickrud> dang, I do like the throbbing title in the window list
[07:56] <glick> i cant have that
[07:56] <nelsongs> dbernar1, yest
[07:56] <Madpilot> glick: i just checked, my Root Term asks for my sudo pw before opening
[07:56] <nelsongs> dbernar1, yes*
[07:56] <KamiVIP> any ideas how i can install games with multiple cd's with cedega? when game says insert second cd i cant eject cd and put cd 2 in it because device is busy
[07:56] <bimberi> glick: after you enter the password for some period (not sure how long) it won't ask again. This will time out.
[07:56] <glick> bimberi, ok
[07:57] <dabaR> nJess: /msg ubotu kernelcompile
[07:57] <bimberi> glick: sorry - i hope that made some sense :)
[07:57] <Madpilot> glick nd bimberi: 15 minutes, I think?
[07:57] <dabaR> all: ubotu only accepts queries if your nick is registered.
[07:57] <direwolf> same with sudo in a terminal
[07:57] <nickrud> bimberi, but that's only for the shell session the password was entered for
[07:57] <glick> also, does anyone know what the RenderAccel option in X does for nvidia cards?
[07:57] <IcemanV9> glick: i believe the timeout is 15 min default
[07:57] <direwolf> nope
[07:57] <bimberi> Madpilot: k - thanks
[07:57] <hayden> can anyone help me with getting cisco vpn client to work, or how can i convert a cisco vpn client profile (pcf file) so i can use with vpnc!?
[07:57] <nickrud> oh
[07:57] <dabaR> 15 mibnutes.
[07:58] <direwolf> sudo -s will last the whole session
[07:58] <dabaR> is the time for sudo password to not need to be reentered.
[07:58] <glick> ubuntu wiki says this option should be disabled in X
[07:58] <direwolf> sudo will last about 10-15
[07:58] <direwolf> oh, 15
[07:58] <dabaR> I thknk I read that somewhere.
[07:58] <dabaR> nelsongs: hm...did you google on y our graphics card?
[07:58] <direwolf> ive noticed it as well
[07:58] <nickrud> throughout all sessions? even the X session, if entered in a terminal?
[07:58] <dabaR> nah, I doubt that.
[07:59] <glick> will my card not accelerate with this option set to false?
[07:59] <direwolf> no terminal only
[07:59] <nelsongs> dabaR, yes i did
[07:59] <dabaR> nelsongs: says what?
[07:59] <direwolf> if you open a new terminal it will start out as user
[07:59] <nickrud> so, glick not having to enter a password for his root term from the menu does seem strange
[07:59] <nelsongs> dabaR, i won't ask for help here if i haven't tried everything
[07:59] <nelsongs> dabaR, i have tried the dri pkgs from snapshot too
[07:59] <dabaR> what did google say:) uncle google:)
[08:00] <nelsongs> dabaR, used the 915 resolution
[08:00] <nelsongs> dabaR, still nothin
[08:00] <sun_> jasoncohen, i can't find "bum" in synaptic. do you know where i can get it?
[08:00] <Madpilot> oh crap - how long does a ping request go on for?
[08:00] <direwolf> if hes really that worried about it cant he use menueditor to remove root term from the menu ?
[08:00] <nelsongs> dabaR, right now, i'm using the vesa driver
[08:00] <nickrud> direwolf, what menu editor ;)
[08:00] <direwolf> aside from that after a reboot if it still happens maybe file a bug report?
[08:01] <direwolf> uh oh
[08:01] <nelsongs> dabaR, so? any ideas?
[08:01] <nelsongs> anyone?
[08:01] <direwolf> mulders in trouble again
[08:01] <dabaR> not yet.
[08:01] <direwolf> hahaha
[08:02] <glick> do i want to disable renderaccel?
[08:03] <dabaR> sun_: what is bum? it is not an ubuntu, nor a debian package.
[08:03] <nelsongs> is there a new kernel for ubuntu?
[08:03] <dabaR> sun_: actually, there is one in sid.
[08:04] <Mobus> The Palm device manager asks me to put in /dev/pilot and then hotsync. How do I put in /dev/pilot? is that just plugging it in, or do i have to mount it somehow?
[08:04] <dabaR> sun_: not that you should use it, or nothing.
[08:04] <gpd> bum is not a good name... british = arse
[08:04] <dabaR> sun_: is this it: bum: (tool to manage bootup scripts)?
[08:05] <sun_> dabaR, yes
[08:05] <dabaR> here too, or a person that sleeps in the streets.
[08:05] <dabaR> sun_: its not in ubotu's list of packages.
[08:05] <sun_> haha. that is the correct package, i meant
[08:06] <dabaR> I knew that.
[08:06] <dabaR> not sure what you thought I meant...
[08:07] <direwolf> :)
[08:07] <gpd> http://www.marzocca.net/linux/bum.html
[08:07] <glick> ok cook, everything works
[08:08] <glick> the root terminal now asks me for a password, and the card is workin gret
[08:08] <glick> thanks all
[08:08] <dabaR> nelsongs: it seems it does not work in linux.
[08:08] <glick> hey what version of netpanzer comes with ubuntu
[08:09] <gpd> looks like bum is just sysvconfig for gtk
[08:09] <nelsongs> dabaR, it did work with other notebooks, not hp though
[08:09] <nelsongs> dabaR, is there an available kernel for ubuntu right now?
[08:09] <dabaR> how would I know.
[08:10] <dabaR> sun_: it is in breezy.
[08:10] <nelsongs> dabaR, oh great! i thought you know a lot
[08:10] <nelsongs> dabaR, sorry
[08:10] <nickrud> doesn't work in breezy, tho
[08:10] <dabaR> that is cool. no need t be sory
[08:11] <adwait> hello everyone, can some one tell me if there is any commmand like grep, which can search and delete a certain word from a file?
[08:11] <cyphase> how do you share a printer with a windows machine?
[08:11] <dabaR> there is. Now dont ask me what is
[08:11] <gpd> dabaR: have you tried sysvconfig?
[08:11] <nickrud> ah, sed, my nemesis :)
[08:11] <dabaR> tno idea what that is.
[08:11] <Madeye> guys, I have installed some package to load some ASCI colored code in boot, and now I want to remove it but i've forgot the package name
[08:12] <dabaR> ascii.
[08:12] <nelsongs> cyphase, use samba print share
[08:12] <cyphase> nelsongs, i know..
[08:13] <dabaR> gpd: no idea what that sys thing is.
[08:13] <Mobus> The Palm device manager asks me to put in /dev/pilot and then hotsync. How do I put in /dev/pilot? is that just plugging it in, or do i have to mount it somehow?
[08:13] <gpd> Madeye: look in /var/log/auth.log
[08:13] <cyphase> it just doesn't seem to be working
[08:13] <dr_willis> odd.. has there been some kernel update for the x86 or nvidia driver updates lately? My nvidia based box no longer shows the nvidia logo at boot, or X restart.. and it seems to have X hanging/crashing every so often now.
[08:13] <glick> hey what version of netpanzer comes with ubuntu? the website has the latest release being 0.8
[08:13] <gpd> dabaR: it is bum done in console not gui
[08:13] <nelsongs> cyphase, check your config file
[08:13] <glick> ill just use the package file
[08:13] <gpd> dr_willis: check /etc/X11/xorg.conf for nvidia driver not nv
[08:13] <isai> date labels are shown as 08/03/2005. How do I change to 03.08.2005 format?
[08:13] <dabaR> gpd: I dont use either, sun wanted one.
[08:14] <nickrud> glick, apt-cache policy netpanzer (or any package) tells ythat stuff
[08:14] <cyphase> *sigh*
[08:14] <gpd> dabaR: oh... late in the conversation
[08:14] <dr_willis> gpd, yea - but would an update changed that?
[08:14] <dabaR> sun_: ok, this is what I got. You can installbum from breezy onto hoary, but, no guarantee what it will do.
[08:14] <rei> hai
[08:14] <gpd> dr_willis: possibly... dpkg-reconfigure might have reverted to nv
[08:14] <glick> to install a package source file i just do sh ./name.package
[08:14] <glick> ?
[08:15] <lui> hello everybody
[08:15] <dabaR> lui, rei, hi.
[08:15] <dabaR> glick: what is the package extension?
[08:15] <glick> dabaR, .package
[08:15] <dabaR> wow. whre did you get it?
[08:15] <lui> i am so, so, so happy with this ubuntu i can't take it!! :)
[08:15] <gpd> glick: http://autopackage.org/
[08:16] <dabaR> :D
[08:16] <sun_> dabaR: thanks
[08:16] <dabaR> sun_: not sure if you should install it.
[08:16] <glick> dabaR, from the netpanzer homepage
[08:16] <sun_> dabaR: yeah, i'll wait until it's breezy
[08:16] <_4strO> yop yop
[08:16] <glick> http://netpanzer.berlios.de/download.html
[08:16] <Burgundavia> glick, netpanzer is in the repos
[08:16] <glick> Burgundavia, yeah but not the latest release
[08:17] <lui> i've just installed an hour ago and i'm trying it but it is practically perfect
[08:17] <nickrud> ac show sysv-rc
[08:17] <jasoncohen> glick, get the latest release from autopackage if you really need it
[08:17] <nickrud> oops
[08:17] <gpd> lui: are you a linux person? if so which previous distro?
[08:17] <glick> jasoncohen, how do i install an autopackage file?
[08:17] <dr_willis> gpd, lol - been trying some of my older xorg configs.. this one was useing nv. however i change it to nvidia and now the X boots up.. BUT dosent show anything. I hear the gdm little drum roll play. but the screen is dark. like out of freq range.
[08:17] <PurpleMotion> http://www.daede.com/MyNewDesktop.jpg :D
[08:17] <jasoncohen> glick, pretty easy- i'll get you the instructions
[08:18] <gpd> dr_willis: look in /var/log/Xorg.log.0
[08:18] <jasoncohen> glick, http://autopackage.org/docs/howto-install/
[08:18] <dabaR> glick: did you try sudo aptitude install netpanzer? I have a feeling it wil work. I will check with ubotu.
[08:18] <jasoncohen> !autopackage howto is http://autopackage.org/docs/howto-install/
[08:18] <ubotu> okay, jasoncohen
[08:18] <glick> thanks
[08:18] <lui> i am in the course of leaving windows and i tryed suse linux 9.1 and 9.3 before
[08:18] <dabaR> glick: no, dont do what they said.
[08:18] <lui> tried
[08:18] <dabaR> Or do, whatever.
[08:18] <jasoncohen> glick, i didn't need to make it executable. i was just able to double click the autopackage and run. the first thing it does is grab the autopackage installer for autopackage itself and then it installs your app- it's all gui and is easy to use
[08:19] <dabaR> my advice is, sudo aptitude install netpanzer. the package is in universe.
[08:19] <jasoncohen> dabaR, he said he needs the newest version for some reason
[08:19] <Mobus> The Palm device manager asks me to put in /dev/pilot and then hotsync. How do I put in /dev/pilot? is that just plugging it in, or do i have to mount it somehow
[08:19] <lui> i'm just entering into the linux world
[08:19] <jasoncohen> dabaR, i said you can use the autopackage "if you need the newest version"
[08:19] <gpd> lui: good luck!
[08:20] <jasoncohen> glick, why not just install it from synaptic? do you really need the latest version?
[08:20] <lui> thanks gpd. but for me it is what i was looking for
[08:20] <Mobus> yes lui, Linux is a complicated, yet very powerful world. By mastering it, you may become powerful lvl 60 Black MAges just like us
[08:20] <Mobus> (provided we're BMs)
[08:20] <lui> a real computer system, man!
[08:20] <Amaranth> http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg-devel/system_menu.png :)
[08:20] <anacron> linux is from finland, that's the mainthing.
[08:20] <anacron> :DDD
[08:20] <Mobus> (We could be WMs, RMs, THFs, BBLs, or FTRs,
[08:21] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, finally- very cool
[08:21] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, is that the .8 release?
[08:21] <Amaranth> it will be
[08:21] <direwolf> what is kickstart?
[08:21] <jasoncohen> !kickstart
[08:21] <ubotu> jasoncohen: Bugger all, i dunno
[08:21] <Burgundavia> direwolf, kickstart allows you to script installs
[08:21] <Burgundavia> direwolf, originally created by redhat, the debian installer (the one in Ubuntu) supports it
[08:21] <Orborde> Is there some way to use samba to set up normal filesystem mounts using network shares? I have some shares running on a Win98 machine, and I can copy from, delete, overwrite, and copy files to the share, but I can't edit them directly.
[08:21] <lui> i know Mobus, it is for people who really wants to learn it
[08:21] <dr_willis> gpd, yea - nothing seems odd in the logs.. as if X is starting but some how useing some odd settings now that my lcd cant show.. nv seems to work ok however..
[08:22] <glick> wtf why isnt my password working when i click on the netpanzer autopackage
[08:22] <jasoncohen> direwolf, kickstart allows administrators to create automated installs with their own prefernces and templates
[08:22] <gpd> dr_willis: that is weird... it should give you an error
[08:22] <jasoncohen> glick, i don't know if it works with sudo
[08:22] <dabaR> glick: why not try the ubuntu package?
[08:22] <lui> and I can tell you I'm one of those
[08:22] <Mobus> I like evil
[08:22] <gpd> you should try and get nvidia module working as it is much faster
[08:22] <jasoncohen> glick, why not just use the ubuntu package from synaptic?
[08:22] <Mobus> WM likes healing
[08:22] <gpd> dr_willis: do you have multiple screens?
[08:22] <glick> but why doesnt it like my password
[08:22] <Mobus> I like WM
[08:22] <glick> am i getting owned?
[08:22] <dr_willis> gpd, the card can do it.. but im not useing that feature
[08:22] <Mobus> I hate FTR
[08:23] <jasoncohen> glick, in almost every case, it's better to use the ubuntu package. only use an autopackage or source if you need a newer version
[08:23] <jasoncohen> or a package isn't available in ubuntu
[08:23] <Mobus> FTR + KABOOM = Happy GM
[08:23] <glick> jasoncohen, i want the latest version
[08:23] <jasoncohen> glick, you don't have a root password
[08:23] <Mobus> BM*
[08:23] <dr_willis> gpd, hmm same xorg.conf - changeing nvidia to nv works.. odd..
[08:23] <jasoncohen> glick, autopackage probably isn't set up to work with sudo so you need a root account for it to work
[08:23] <jasoncohen> glick, "sudo passwd root"
[08:23] <jasoncohen> glick, not recommended though
[08:23] <gpd> dr_willis: not odd at all... the nv driver is the OSS one... doesn't use the hardware accel
[08:23] <dabaR> this is inexcusable.
[08:24] <glick> ah
[08:24] <nickrud> better yet, just drop that damn auto package
[08:24] <Mobus> dr_willis: My band directors name is willis...
[08:24] <dabaR> glick, its the sanme version
[08:24] <jasoncohen> why doesn't autopackage work with sudo?
[08:24] <dr_willis> gpd, whats odd is that one is working.. the other not (well it SEEMS to be workign) gdm plays the sound.. and it was working up till a day or so ago.
[08:24] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, it does
[08:24] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, they specifically patched it for Ubuntu
[08:24] <glick> the game battle for wesnoth sucked ass
[08:24] <gpd> dr_willis: try lsmod |grep nvidia
[08:24] <dr_willis> so if the configs are identical , just changeing nv to nvidia.. Hmm ok lets see
[08:25] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, really?...didn't know taht
[08:25] <jasoncohen> *that
[08:25] <dabaR> Amaranth: is this smeg mainly an ubuntu app?
[08:25] <jasoncohen> glick, what version is the autopackage you have?
[08:25] <dr_willis> nvidia 3923388 12
[08:25] <dr_willis> agpgart 31784 2 amd64_agp,nvidia
[08:25] <dabaR> same as the other one.
[08:25] <dr_willis> Hmm.. seems to be loaded.
[08:25] <dabaR> the one ubuntu has is .8, and so is the autopackage.
[08:25] <jasoncohen> glick, ubuntu has Version: 0.2.0rc4-1
[08:26] <dabaR> no it does not, that is just the package name.
[08:26] <alex_extreme> Hi
[08:26] <gpd> dr_willis: I have amd64 too ;)
[08:26] <alex_extreme> is X still broken in Breezy?
[08:26] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, netpanzer went from .2 to .8
[08:26] <lui> gpd, I have bought a basic linux book to enter this world and I am learning very well. The thing is it have nothing in common with windows, you know? For a person like me who started with such a bad thing this linux world is a whole new world
[08:26] <calamari> Amaranth: thanks for writing smeg.. it works great (if installed via the script ;)
[08:26] <dr_willis> wait a sec.. im not useing a 64 bit dfisrto on that box. that amd64_agp nirmal?
[08:26] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, what is ubuntu's stance on autopackage? i see it as a decent solution for users that want newer versions of a few packages but don't want to go the backports route
[08:26] <dabaR> I mean, I am not 100%, but debian sarge has .8
[08:26] <gpd> dr_willis: no that is fine... as long as you compiled the nvidia driver for 32bit kernel
[08:26] <dabaR> just install it with aptitude/whatever. and see the first screen tells you the verrsion name.
[08:26] <jasoncohen> or if they need new versions of software not in backports like inkscape
[08:26] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: autopackage is guaranteed to fsck up your system
[08:27] <alex_extreme> is X still broken in Breezy?
[08:27] <gpd> lui: that is half the attraction for some ;)
[08:27] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, rejected
[08:27] <dabaR> Amaranth: ^
[08:27] <nickrud> alex_extreme, no, I'm using it now
[08:27] <dr_willis> gpd, well i ed the wiki ages ago and its ben working for the last 2+ Months.. til now
[08:27] <calamari> Amaranth: btw, can the System -> Preferences / Administration menus be edited, or are they completely different?
[08:27] <gpd> lui: kde is slightly more like windows... but not much
[08:27] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, doesn't integrate with dpkg or rpm yet
[08:27] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, why is it guaranteed to break the system?
[08:27] <Amaranth> calamari: thats what my latest screenshot is showing :)
[08:28] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: it dumps crap all over /usr
[08:28] <alex_extreme> nickrud, so is it possible to dist-upgrade to Breezy from Hoary?
[08:28] <gpd> dr_willis: it must be giving you something in /var/log/Xorg.log.0
[08:28] <calamari> Amaranth: hmm.. I may need to upgrade :)
[08:28] <dr_willis> this TUrion V2311 Laptop is giving me major issues..
[08:28] <Amaranth> calamari: this is in development
[08:28] <gpd> dr_willis: pastebin it...
[08:28] <dr_willis> grr.. but its the4 desktop that just now broke :P hh..
[08:28] <dabaR> glick: so.....
[08:28] <dabaR> what did you do?
[08:28] <nickrud> alex_extreme, I wouldn't. I did a colony 2 iso install, I will keep hoary cuz it works, always :)
[08:29] <dr_willis> gpd, if i can ..im sshd int te remote box. and is laptop is VERy flakey under linux so far.. (its nioce to ahve 2 machine)
[08:29] <dabaR> is there a colonization or civilization clone for linux?
[08:29] <Burgundavia> dabaR, both
[08:29] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, what problems has it caused in the past for ubuntu users? i installed inkscape and gaim just to see if it worked. i'm keeping inkscape 0.42- no problems seen and i was able to remove the gaim autopackage just fine
[08:29] <calamari> Amaranth: is there a wway I can manually dete items out of those menus? Everything is duplicated
[08:29] <Burgundavia> dabaR, freeciv and frecol
[08:29] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, so, it would be crap even if it integrated with dpkg?
[08:29] <lui> gpd: yep, i've tried with SuSE, but then, when I saw gnome interface I liked more, I'm tired of things like windows, you know?
[08:30] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, locally installed stuff should be in /usr/local
[08:30] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: you probably installed for your user only
[08:30] <gpd> lui: yes! I know too well ;)
[08:30] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: autopackage does file-based dependencies, dpkg does package-based dependencies
[08:30] <nickrud> jasoncohen, if autopackage was integrated into dpkg (with the maintainer's assistance), I'd probably trust it then, for myself
[08:30] <dabaR> Burgundavia: well, not under that name anyhow. Ill search a little.
[08:30] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: so the integration won't be pretty
[08:30] <Burgundavia> dabaR, freeciv is in the repos
[08:30] <gpd> windows 95 jaded me beyond repair... even though XP is now very stable
[08:30] <Burgundavia> dabaR, freecol is pretty alpha
[08:31] <dabaR> aha. ok:)
[08:31] <Burgundavia> dabaR, happypenguin.org is a great source for linux games
[08:31] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: but it'll integrate easy into rpm, since rpm does file-based dependency (which is generally a bad idea)
[08:31] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, nope, i gave it administrative rights for a system install
[08:31] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: you got lucky :P
[08:31] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: did you uninstall ubuntu's gaim first?
[08:31] <gpd> my first linux was redhat 4.3 ;)
[08:31] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, most of the current autopackages are well built. When we start seeing crap packages, then the fur will fly
[08:32] <Amaranth> calamari: it's not easy
[08:32] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, rpm does file based dependencies? when i used mandrake i remember that urpmi required packages to be installed - not files to satisfy the depends
[08:32] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, of course i did
[08:32] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: it can do both
[08:32] <calamari> Amaranth: fair enough.. thanks
[08:32] <starseed> wow, what a nice looking default desktop
[08:32] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: if autopackage installs something that a package already has installed things can quickly go bad on you
[08:33] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, isn't that a huge advantage of building off of a stable base- you know exactly what packages are needed and the versions so dependency handling is much cleaner & easier
[08:33] <nickrud> o-O
[08:33] <dr_willis> gpd, well ithe whole box just locked up.. :P and its 3 am here.. i will look at it some more tommow and get back with ya.
[08:33] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: Let me know when someone pays the world to stop working on "Random Distro" so a stable base is possible.
[08:33] <lui> gpd: one thing I have asked to some friend, some linux friends, is why linux looks so cool, so smooth, everything looks so well like machitosh. For me is a dream come true because windows is so ugly I can't take it anymore. So why the fots and the graphics look so well in linux and windows look so "hard"?
[08:34] <dr_willis> take care all
[08:34] <gpd> dr_willis: yeah, time for bed for me too...
[08:34] <dr_willis> lui, you do enable the font smothing in windows dont ya?
[08:34] <jasoncohen> yeah- and that way you don't have repetition of libraries in multiple locations and things just work better. Debian/Ubuntu is known for easy distribution upgrades (well debian was until sarge, heh). it's never been that smooth on other distros.
[08:34] <gpd> lui: that is an unusual response! windows fonts are pretty amazing with cleartype...
[08:34] <Code_Dark> okay! i think, after many hours, I may have gotten my wifi to work! I shall return. i must test.
[08:34] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, once you add in autopackage, can you imagine the hell?
[08:34] <calamari> lui: interesting.. I think fonts are a weak point in Linux.. because the hinting is crippled
[08:34] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, well, the stable base is of course only on that distribution/release
[08:35] <dr_willis> i think the fonts under OS-X seem to look better to me then windows or Linux.
[08:35] <Magde> lui: the smoothness-difference and so on is only propaganda and imagination. turn on font smothing
[08:35] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: generally if you build against GNOME 2.2, GTK+ 2.4, glibc 2.2, and statically link everything else you need your stuff will run everywhere without any extra dependencies
[08:35] <dr_willis> or course not too long ago fonts under linux (X) were TOTALLY nasty...
[08:35] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, yes- which is why i think it's not the way to go
[08:35] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: we can't have an autopackage for every distro, that's called what we have now :P
[08:35] <ajmitch> Amaranth: static linking helps, but at a price
[08:35] <lui> gpd: yes man, of course but it doesn't compare with linux, the windows cleartype can't do it so good
[08:35] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, i know
[08:35] <Amaranth> ajmitch: aye
[08:36] <Amaranth> I can see autopackage being useful with software like I described.
[08:36] <calamari> I like the hard edged fonts with hinting.. easiest on my eyes
[08:36] <gpd> lui: glad you are pleased :)
[08:36] <dr_willis> I like the good old days of C64's and their nice huge letters
[08:36] <Amaranth> But if it needs anything it doesn't provide beyond that baseline you get into trouble.
[08:36] <gpd> dr_willis: ya, i hear ya... my first cpu was C64...
[08:36] <Amaranth> btw, has anyone seen the new fonts that come with vista?
[08:36] <glick> heh netpanzer seems cool
[08:36] <ajmitch> Amaranth: I think we'd see issues anyway :)
[08:37] <Amaranth> they look _REALLY_ nice, but freetype doesn't handle them so well
[08:37] <glick> how is bzflag?
[08:37] <Daemonic> I'm having a problem with my linksys befw11s4 router/switch... I forgot the password and have tried holding the reset button for 30+ seconds to reset it to "admin" but it still wont take the password. has anyoen had this problem or have any ideas?
[08:37] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, the sole purpose of autopackage is to allow one package to be installed on any distro- but because it has to be able to do that it can't satisfy dependencies based on packages which is the clearner way to go. I only asked about autopackage because some users want newer versions of a few packages like firefox, gaim etc. and autopackage may not be that bad if the packages are high quality and they are few in #
[08:37] <dr_willis> gpd, i still have several :P was playing Barbarian - on the Vice emulator today even
[08:37] <calamari> I had to make my own Console font.. I guess Redhat isn't sharing theirs hehe
[08:37] <gpd> dr_willis: Barbarian!!! sweet...
[08:37] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, obviously using deb packages through synaptic/apt-get/aptitude is the better way to go for 99% of your packages
[08:37] <gpd> dr_willis: do you havea joystick hooked up?
[08:37] <dr_willis> gpd, and i can still make it to like the 10th guy and lop his head off.
[08:37] <gpd> dr_willis: digital joystick?
[08:38] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: 99.999999% with backports
[08:38] <milksteak> hmmm
[08:38] <dr_willis> gpd, i got a HanHo HotrodSE :P
[08:38] <lui> well, jejeje, for me everything look better in linux. Like 10,000 times better
[08:38] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, autopackage has the advantage for develoeprs of not requring multiple builds for each distro
[08:38] <starseed> whats a sure fire way to mount a partition if I'm not sure what fs it uses
[08:38] <Iceman-AMD64> Anyone know if there is a actual preformance increase in moving from pc 2700 to pc3200 ram ... on a 64 bit system
[08:38] <starseed> -t auto ?
[08:38] <gpd> dr_willis: very nice...
[08:38] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: We'll never be able to satify the ones that want Foo 1.234.53.6 which just came out today with one new feature, but we cover mostly everyone with what we have now.
[08:38] <dr_willis> Iceman-AMD64, in benchmarks perhaps -- but not that noticeable Id think
[08:38] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: Developers make shitty packagers.
[08:39] <gpd> dr_willis: is that running under ubuntu?
[08:39] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, heh, autopackage is better for impatient people that don't want to wait for backports to build the package as wlel
[08:39] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: And most of them don't want to try to be packagers.
[08:39] <jasoncohen> why's that?
[08:39] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: it's a different kind of work
[08:39] <Iceman-AMD64> dr_willis only running 513 meg currentl ... it is bottelnecking the system i know that ...
[08:39] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: and they just want to code stuff
[08:39] <dr_willis> gpd, i got emulators on all muy machines and OS's :P vice works very well under linux.. winvice is a Little better in some ways
[08:39] <ajmitch> jasoncohen: packagers focus more on integration with the existing system
[08:39] <Amaranth> Iceman-AMD64: RAM is not your bottleneck.
[08:39] <dr_willis> gpd, also been messing with UAE amiga emulator again.
[08:39] <jasoncohen> but then developers get pissed off when users complain about a problem that's fixed in a new release but they're using in old version packaged by their distro
[08:40] <gpd> dr_willis: yeah, i used to run vice
[08:40] <niran> i can't wait until grumpy groundhog starts so all the crack addicts can overdose, and maybe not want so much crack anymore
[08:40] <Amaranth> Iceman-AMD64: Your bottleneck is your HD.
[08:40] <Iceman-AMD64> dr_willis i either add 512 more or add a 1 gig stick of pc 3200 ?
[08:40] <Amaranth> niran: soyuz will be worse
[08:40] <calamari> Eclipse is nice with packaging.. just export to a jar.. done in no time :)
[08:40] <gpd> dr_willis: i tried uae about 2 yr ago... booted workbench :)
[08:40] <Iceman-AMD64> system freezes ... completle
[08:40] <dr_willis> gpd, whats COOl is that i got Vice for my GP32 Handheld.. so i can have a portable C64
[08:40] <f_newton> so dr_willis what os are you running these days?
[08:40] <ajmitch> Amaranth: why do you think that?
[08:40] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, what do you think of the way fedora does things- uses new upstream packages for some software and backports security fixes for the more important stuff
[08:40] <f_newton> mandriva? bsd?
[08:40] <dr_willis> f_newton, so far xp and ubuntu, + emulated C64 and Amiga
[08:41] <ajmitch> niran: I don't think you can overdose some people
[08:41] <gpd> dr_willis: your levels of nostalgia amaze me
[08:41] <dr_willis> :P and various snes and mame emulators
[08:41] <f_newton> lol c64
[08:41] <jasoncohen> actually- didn't fedora upgrade the kernel in fc3?
[08:41] <dr_willis> gpd, lol.. :P
[08:41] <f_newton> you sound like my brothyer
[08:41] <Amaranth> ajmitch: automagic merging of two baz branches built and packaged on demand?
[08:41] <ajmitch> jasoncohen: ubuntu has started doing that, for some packages
[08:41] <Amaranth> ajmitch: how can that not break things?
[08:41] <f_newton> brother
[08:41] <dr_willis> i even tracked down the GEOS disks for the C64 emualators
[08:41] <ajmitch> Amaranth: nothing wrong with that! :)
[08:41] <f_newton> lol
[08:41] <jasoncohen> ajmitch, only mozilla products- firefox/mozilla/thunderbird
[08:41] <Amaranth> ajmitch, jasoncohen: They only did that because they didn't have a choice.
[08:41] <gpd> dr_willis: my Amiga 500 still sits in a cupboard at my parents house
[08:41] <jasoncohen> ajmitch, it's the one and only exception and the reason for it was the sheer difficulty of backporting security fixes on mozilla products
[08:41] <Iceman-AMD64> wouldn;t the added ram help open the bottleneck ... as i said i get a complete system freeze
[08:41] <f_newton> well i dumped fc4 when it went screwy on me and all I could get for help was it works for me
[08:42] <ajmitch> Amaranth: it just depends on what the baz branches are
[08:42] <gpd> dr_willis: one day... it will be worth millions... (ya!)
[08:42] <raDeon> What you talkin' 'bout Willis?
[08:42] <Amaranth> ajmitch, jasoncohen: Mozilla fscked things up so bad the only solution was just shipping the new version.
[08:42] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, i know- i was talking to pitti about it
[08:42] <lui> well people, i have to go, but i'm very pleased to know an IRC channel where the people really talks what they have to talk, and where the people answer the dumb questions of a beginner :). thank gpd and everybody.
[08:42] <gvrocha> Is there any keyboard shortcut for switching workspaces in Ubuntu?!
[08:42] <dr_willis> the amiga UAE emulator worked decent under linux . that Amiga In a Box "package" makes it a nice os in ways lol
[08:42] <niran> Amaranth, i never really knew what soyuz was, but i've started poking around the launchpad wiki since the super secret backdoor was revealed
[08:42] <dr_willis> gpd, i got several.. :P
[08:42] <ajmitch> Amaranth: I saw the pain that pitti & seb & others went through with mozilla code
[08:42] <calamari> dr_willis: you'd know this.. whats a good sid player for linux?
[08:42] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, heh, it took 3 upgrades to get mozilla in the same shape it was before the upgrade
[08:42] <HrdwrBoB> gvrocha: ctrl+alt+arrow will do it
[08:42] <jasoncohen> 1.7.9 for the security fixes, 1.7.10 to fix extensions and 1.7.11 for mail
[08:42] <gpd> dr_willis: you must burn them to inflate the value of mine!
[08:42] <dr_willis> calamari, actually i think the4res a few,, but ive rarely messed with them.. i think xmms and some plugins can do it.
[08:43] <lui> and excuse my english 'cause I speak spanish. I learned english because of the cable tv, je!!
[08:43] <Iceman-AMD64> Whay you think my hdd is the bottleneck
[08:43] <dr_willis> gpd, :P
[08:43] <gvrocha> HrdwrBob: Thanks! That's sweet! :)
[08:43] <gpd> right time for bed...
[08:43] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: 1.7.9 never existed
[08:43] <cyphase> i have my printer set up to be printable from windows, but it needs the driver.. how do i set it to give the windows driver for the printer to the connecting computer?
[08:43] <dr_willis> well its now bed time.. night all.
[08:43] <f_newton> night
[08:43] <HrdwrBoB> gvrocha: :)
[08:43] <gpd> tara
[08:43] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, um- it came out with firefox 1.0.5
[08:43] <ajmitch> Amaranth: I can't recall what I heard about soyuz, so it's probably inaccurate
[08:43] <calamari> ahh xmms, of course.. thanks :)
[08:43] <benplaut> !lart Dave_Orton
[08:43] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: no, they skipped it due to issues seen with 1.0.5
[08:43] <HrdwrBoB> cyphase: install the driver on the windows computer
[08:43] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: it may have hit FTP but it was never publically announced
[08:44] <benplaut> !lart Dave_Orton
[08:44] <HrdwrBoB> seperately
[08:44] <sataere> Can anyone help me? I'm very desperately in need...my wireless card (linksys) is based on the atheros chipset, and uses the madwifi drivers. I've used these drivers under other distributions with no problem, and under Ubuntu they look as though they are working (the card lights up and goes through the proper series of flashes), but although it says it's connected and activated, I can't actually connect to the net!!!
[08:44] <lui> night everybody
[08:44] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, but the 1.0.5 build showed r.v.:1.7.9 - you mean it was never officially released even though it was built?
[08:44] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: I don't mean Gecko, I mean Mozilla Suite.
[08:44] <jasoncohen> ok- i didn't realize they never released a 1.7.9
[08:44] <cyphase> HrdwrBoB, obviously that would work, but couldn't i put the windows driver in whatever directory on the linux computer, so that the windows computer will get it when it connects?
[08:45] <Iceman-AMD64> What makes you say my bottleneck is my harddrive
[08:45] <glick> anyone here play nethack
[08:45] <HrdwrBoB> cyphase: you can, but unless you've got to do it for an office or reasonable size network
[08:45] <HrdwrBoB> cyphase: if you want to do that, look up the samba docs
[08:45] <calamari> glick: moria.. ;)
[08:45] <cyphase> forget it
[08:45] <cyphase> :)
[08:45] <sataere> My AP even logs my MAC address as having connected but I still can't get online!!!!
[08:46] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, 1.0.5 mozilla screwed up with
[08:46] <calamari> sataere: what can you ping?
[08:46] <sataere> calamari, Nothing, not even my AP. I can ping localhost, but who can't?
[08:46] <spanglesontoast> is there a way of getting ipodder working
[08:46] <jasoncohen> sataere, and you have SSID/WEP key set correctly in network-admin?
[08:47] <jasoncohen> sataere, you sure you're not using MAC address filtering on the AP?>
[08:47] <sataere> jasoncohen, Yes. I have checked checked and rechecked. I use the exact same settings for my g/fs cisco card, and it works fine.
[08:48] <glick> nexuiz look increadible
[08:48] <dabaR> so what did you install, glick?
[08:48] <dabaR> what version/method of that game panzer.
[08:48] <glick> dabaR, i installed the bzflags from synaptic and netpanzer from the .package file
[08:49] <dabaR> ok.
[08:49] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, heh, you got me nervous. i removed all autopackages and replaced them with their original ubuntu packages :)
[08:49] <GreenDot> ok, i'm running on an iBook G4, and the bootloader wouldn't install properly, so is there a way to boot to linux using the boot prompt from the install disk?
[08:49] <dabaR> GreenDot: partition using the MacOSX disc.
[08:49] <GreenDot> i have it installed on a USB hard drive
[08:50] <niran> jasoncohen, doesn't backports have most of the things you need?
[08:50] <dabaR> Make a partition(small) at the beginning of the hard drive, for like 10MB
[08:50] <dabaR> GreenDot: youre weird:P
[08:50] <dabaR> off course, jj.
[08:50] <GreenDot> well, 80 gig in the system, and i use most of it for music (itunes and my own stuff)
[08:50] <jasoncohen> niran, yeah- i was just playing around with autopackage because some users on ubuntu forums complained about autopackage support in ubuntu- appears fine to me
[08:51] <GreenDot> i guess i could back it up and work with it 'till i get it right
[08:51] <GreenDot> so a 10 meg partition, then what?
[08:51] <niran> jasoncohen, ah i see. i think what people are looking for is for autopackage support to be enabled by default instead of having to do the script thing
[08:51] <GreenDot> could i still use the USB drive to install it?
[08:51] <niran> jasoncohen, but i've never used it, so i'm not sure. i don't think it'll be necessary for most users, if any
[08:51] <dabaR> GreenDot: I mean, I installed on a 30GB iBook, and a dual boot.
[08:51] <jasoncohen> niran, i was impressed how easy autopackage was to use actually ...after the initial install you just double click the package and choose run
[08:51] <starseed> wow, the multiverse really beefs up ubuntu
[08:52] <dabaR> not sure what you could do.
[08:52] <benplaut> starseed: wait till you see the universe
[08:52] <jasoncohen> niran, well, it's much better if users simply intall from synaptic- less likely to break something and it's easier to install & keep up on security updates
[08:52] <dabaR> GreenDot: how come you want a computer with no wireless?
[08:52] <niran> jasoncohen, right, it's definitely a neat project, but i don't think it's the best solution to the problem
[08:52] <starseed> did both of them , its nice
[08:52] <GreenDot> no wireless?
[08:53] <GreenDot> i have wireless internet, but thats about it
[08:53] <GreenDot> and i can upgrade it to blue tooth if i want
[08:53] <jasoncohen> niran, windows users like the idea of being able to just double click a package and install it but the beauty of linux is the central administration of packages allowing the whole system to receive security and bugfix updates automatically and even to upgrade distribution releases. i personally think package management is an area where linux far excels windows
[08:54] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, when the new gnome-app-install comes along, installing will be just as easy there as double clik
[08:54] <jasoncohen> niran, the only problem with linux is that that libraries aren't stable so every distribution needs its own packages
[08:54] <GreenDot> jasoncohen: http://autopackage.org/ check that site out
[08:54] <niran> jasoncohen, i'm working on something that will let people install programs from webpages using the official repositories
[08:54] <sataere> Hello?
[08:54] <jasoncohen> GreenDot, already done so
[08:54] <spanglesontoast> is there a way of getting ipodder working?
[08:54] <GreenDot> jasoncohen: so you got it working then?
[08:54] <niran> jasoncohen, it's part of the FindingPackages spec on the UDU wiki
[08:54] <jasoncohen> niran, how's that going to work?
[08:54] <Kmorph> Hello
[08:54] <Burgundavia> spanglesontoast, there is a wiki page
[08:54] <dabaR> GreenDot: well, airports extreme dont work on linux. that is what I am saying.
[08:54] <jasoncohen> niran, yeah- i read that. isn't that a secuirty problem though
[08:55] <GreenDot> dabaR: i'm using wired at home, and i dont intend on using Linux on the go
[08:55] <glick> games dont lend themselves to the open source development model very well
[08:55] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, they are installing of their sources.list
[08:55] <jasoncohen> i agreed with the user that said that installing packages should be seperated from the browser as much as possible
[08:55] <niran> jasoncohen, user clicks on an "install" like which downloads a file that lists the package name and section of the repository that the program is in
[08:55] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, the webpage doesn't change that
[08:55] <GreenDot> dabaR: it's just for doing some writing and stuff
[08:55] <niran> jasoncohen, helper program reads that file and installs the package
[08:55] <dabaR> GreenDot: ok, well, do you want me to continue on how I set mine up?
[08:55] <GreenDot> please
[08:55] <sataere> jasoncohen, Okay, I set up my AP to give me a static IP, and it still won't work.
[08:55] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, so- it can only install from the repositories you currently have enabled- it can't add new, potentially unsafe repositories?
[08:55] <spanglesontoast> where ?
[08:55] <niran> jasoncohen, there are plenty of complciations in there, and i want to make it distro agnostic, but those are the basics
[08:56] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, talk to niran
[08:56] <jasoncohen> sataere, and you don't have any ACL or MAC Address filtering?
[08:56] <sataere> jasoncohen, I also copied and pasted the WEP key from the AP config to my card config
[08:56] <niran> jasoncohen, right
[08:56] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, niran is developing it as part of Google SoC
[08:56] <sataere> jasoncohen, I will triple check
[08:56] <jasoncohen> niran, sounds great- i really liked that breezy goal
[08:56] <niran> jasoncohen, i did too :)
[08:56] <dabaR> GreenDot: ok, well, you do the small around 10MB partition in the first space on the hard drive. Then you make two other partitions for osx and linux. then youinstall osx onto the second partition, and also, remember to make the small partition a new world partition.
[08:56] <Burgundavia> spanglesontoast, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IPodder
[08:57] <starseed> is there a win32codecs package anywhere for ubuntu ?
[08:57] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, the gnome-app-install is still on track for release with breezy/
[08:57] <dabaR> then install linux onto the third one, and just select to install yaboot into the small new world partition you made.
[08:57] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, yes
[08:57] <m0ns00n> Any official developers here for ubuntu?
[08:57] <dabaR> I think that is it. Good luck, if youre gonna try.
[08:57] <spanglesontoast> ty
[08:57] <Burgundavia> m0ns00n, what is your issue?
[08:57] <sataere> jasoncohen, No MAC filtering, I don't think my AP even supports ACL filtering.
[08:57] <GreenDot> so the newworld partition HAS to be at the begining of the first disk?
[08:57] <f_newton> starseed the codecs are for the vidplayers not the os
[08:57] <niran> jasoncohen, http://niran.org/code/soc
[08:57] <m0ns00n> Wondering if there's any news of being able to downgrade to the 6111 NVidia drivers without having all hell break loose
[08:57] <m0ns00n> :-D
[08:57] <starseed> f_newton, dude
[08:57] <niran> jasoncohen, i have one more feature that i need to add, then it's done
[08:57] <jasoncohen> sataere, MAC filtering = ACL (Access Control List)
[08:58] <m0ns00n> I see alot of people are requesting old nvidia drivers in the forums as well
[08:58] <Burgundavia> m0ns00n, that is more a question for here, not the developers
[08:58] <f_newton> so starseed what are you asking?
[08:58] <m0ns00n> I have GeForce 4 MX
[08:58] <dabaR> GreenDot: yes, I believe so.
[08:58] <sataere> jasoncohen, Ah. Then no, absolutely no filtering.
[08:58] <GreenDot> ok
[08:58] <m0ns00n> Burgundavia: Oh, the package maintainers then
[08:58] <starseed> f_newton, nothing of you .. sorry you feel the need to be a smart ass
[08:58] <sataere> jasoncohen, I have triple checked.
[08:58] <dabaR> GreenDot: test to make sure...not positive. Also, ask nalioth, he usually nknows this styuff.
[08:58] <GreenDot> i'll deffinantly try what you suggest though, and thanks for the advice
[08:58] <m0ns00n> Burgundavia: I can't "apt-get upgrade" anymore as ubuntu wants to upgrade my 0.6111 hacked together invidia package
[08:59] <f_newton> lol well goodluck at finding what you want cuz there are no codecs for ubuntu
[08:59] <m0ns00n> from warty
[08:59] <f_newton> but there are for xine, mplayer etc noarch
[08:59] <m0ns00n> so I need to apt-get install all the outdated packages by hand
[08:59] <Burgundavia> m0ns00n, can you reproduce with supported warty to supported hoary?
[08:59] <jasoncohen> sataere, do you have SSID broadcast enabled or disabled?
[08:59] <sataere> jasoncohen, enabled
[08:59] <starseed> f_newton, you're still hung up on terminology .. get a life
[08:59] <jasoncohen> sataere, disable WEP and try again- also SSID's are case sensitive...this is just to test
[08:59] <m0ns00n> Burgundavia: I installed from Warty and upgraded to hoary, therefore I was able to keep the 0.6111 drivers
[08:59] <f_newton> lol whatever you think...
[09:00] <sataere> jasoncohen, testing now
[09:00] <m0ns00n> Burgundavia: But if I just installed hoary, it crashed and froze with the new drivers like it does in any distro
[09:00] <sataere> jasoncohen, brb
[09:00] <starseed> f_newton, this is the nice community I hear so much about? you're a great spokesman
[09:00] <m0ns00n> f_newton: there are lots of codecs
[09:01] <m0ns00n> f_newton: Just not in the universe/multiverse/updates/main reps
[09:01] <f_newton> starseed, im not a spokesman for anything I was only trying to point you in the right direction but hey you do it your way and leave me out of it
[09:01] <Burgundavia> m0ns00n, file a bug about it
[09:01] <m0ns00n> Burgundavia: Where?
[09:02] <Burgundavia> m0ns00n, bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[09:02] <m0ns00n> Burgundavia: Perhaps there has been filed one before
[09:02] <m0ns00n> oh bugzilla
[09:02] <m0ns00n> grr
[09:02] <m0ns00n> hehe
[09:02] <dabaR> starseed: hey, you know what I find? I find that altho #debian is much less polite, usually the question gets answered...what is a measure of a nice community?
[09:02] <Burgundavia> starseed, what is your issue?
[09:02] <starseed> m0ns00n, most distros I've used has a package of all the win32 codecs, usually called win32codecs .. just trying to find the ubuntu equivelent
[09:02] <m0ns00n> starseed: www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:02] <dabaR> starseed: get it from marillat.
[09:02] <Burgundavia> starseed, it does exist
[09:02] <Madpilot> starseed: w32codecs exists in Ubuntu
[09:02] <m0ns00n> hmm
[09:02] <Burgundavia> m0ns00n, please don't recommend ubuntuguide
[09:02] <starseed> sorry if I came off rude
[09:02] <Madpilot> !avi
[09:02] <ubotu> Madpilot: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[09:02] <Burgundavia> !restricte
[09:02] <ubotu> Burgundavia: I give up, what is it?
[09:02] <Madpilot> !mp3
[09:02] <Burgundavia> !restricted
[09:02] <Code_Dark> Winamp not Running
[09:02] <f_newton> yeah its the same package and its available if you want it from the net in tarball or from the repos in apt
[09:02] <ubotu> from memory, mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[09:02] <ubotu> [restricted] http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:03] <m0ns00n> starseed: http://www.ubuntuguide.com
[09:03] <m0ns00n> sorry
[09:03] <m0ns00n> starseed: There you will get easy help on all those issues
[09:03] <f_newton> not supposed to recommend the ubuntuguide
[09:03] <Madpilot> starseed: see the RestrictedFormat URL ^^^
[09:03] <m0ns00n> f_newton: why the hxll not
[09:03] <dabaR> oh, its in hoary-extras now?
[09:03] <Burgundavia> !ubuntuguide
[09:03] <ubotu> from memory, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[09:03] <Burgundavia> m0ns00n, ^^
[09:04] <f_newton> who let these children on the computers anyway?
[09:04] <Burgundavia> f_newton, please remember the ubuntu code of conduct
[09:04] <m0ns00n> I don't agree with that point
[09:04] <m0ns00n> It doesn't make sense
[09:04] <benplaut> !factinfo ubuntuguide
[09:04] <ubotu> ubuntuguide -- created by Hieronymus <[email protected]> at Tue Jul 12 01:39:13 2005 (23 days); it has been requested 102 times, last by Burgundavia, 51s ago.
[09:04] <f_newton> Burgundavia, dont know it
[09:04] <m0ns00n> People don't come to ubuntu to go to school
[09:04] <m0ns00n> people come to use their computer
[09:04] <benplaut> grr to the maker of that explanation
[09:05] <benplaut> ubuntuguide rocks!
[09:05] <m0ns00n> Ubunguguide should be hosted on ubuntulinux.com
[09:05] <f_newton> is there a explanation of it Burgundavia ?
[09:05] <Burgundavia> benplaut, m0ns00n ubuntuguide has been superseeded by the wiki
[09:05] <dabaR> haha...to the dont know it...
[09:05] <benplaut> bah...
[09:05] <Madpilot> f_newton: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/document_view
[09:05] <benplaut> the wiki could stand to be quite a bit better organized
[09:05] <dabaR> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/document_view
[09:06] <dabaR> tsk
[09:06] <Madpilot> benplaut: we're trying, honest....
[09:06] <Matu> hi
[09:06] <Burgundavia> benplaut, start working. I (and the rest of the doc team) have already started
[09:06] <starseed> ohh ok, in case anoyone was wondering its in the backports repository
[09:06] <m0ns00n> Title Search: "codecs"
[09:06] <m0ns00n>
[09:06] <m0ns00n> 0 results of about 3303 pages.
[09:06] <m0ns00n> Burgundavia: Not so good!
[09:06] <dabaR> okokok
[09:06] <benplaut> if i had HTML skills, and it was still summer, i definately would
[09:06] <Madpilot> m0ns00n: good point...
[09:06] <calamari> ubuntuguide.com just redirects to some search page anyways
[09:06] <dabaR> haha, html.
[09:07] <m0ns00n> calamari: .org
[09:07] <dabaR> calamari: its.org, be carefull, especially with adding repositories.
[09:07] <starseed> http://ubuntuguide.org/ is the right one
[09:07] <dabaR> tsk
[09:07] <Madpilot> benplaut: no need for HTML, just typing, mostly. wiki's don't use much HTML
[09:07] <m0ns00n> "the aim of the New User Network is to help teach, rather than just give a list of commands"
starseed: http://www.ubuntuguide.com
[09:07] <Burgundavia> m0ns00n, fixed it now
[09:07] <m0ns00n> ^^ Naive!
[09:07] <calamari> :)
[09:07] <benplaut> hmm
[09:07] <starseed> thanks for the tip, found the codecs
[09:08] <m0ns00n> starseed: There you go :-)
[09:08] <Burgundavia> benplaut, wiki markup is much easier than HTML
[09:08] <starseed> and f_newton the codecs are install as libs on the system , which different apps can access .. mplayer uses the same libs as many other players to actaully play the vid files
[09:08] <m0ns00n> Burgundavia: Lesson for people who put people off ubuntuguide - first a user has to feel that linux gives him/her something, then they'll learn - but if they only meet a facist system where they must learn this and that, they will just go away
[09:08] <dabaR> gotta li\ove the edubuntu logo.
[09:08] <benplaut> i know...
[09:09] <benplaut> it's great
[09:09] <Burgundavia> m0ns00n, huh?
[09:09] <dabaR> Burgundavia: lets change the subject?
[09:09] <m0ns00n> Burgundavia: If you don't understand what I said, just forget it
[09:09] <f_newton> Burgundavia, what is the sabdfl?
[09:10] <Burgundavia> f_newton, Mark Shuttleworth (Self Appointed Benevolent Dictator for Life)
[09:10] <benplaut> !markshuttleworth
[09:10] <ubotu> No idea, benplaut
[09:10] <Matu> does anyone have a solution/ideas to following problem, ubuntu 5.04 both IA64 version and i386 versions crash/halts in login screen
[09:10] <benplaut> !shuttleworth
[09:10] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, benplaut
[09:10] <benplaut> !amrk
[09:10] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, benplaut
[09:10] <benplaut> !mark
[09:10] <ubotu> benplaut: Bugger all, i dunno
[09:10] <PurpleMotion> ill be back im goin to the store
[09:10] <benplaut> bah...
[09:10] <benplaut> PurpleMotion: how's fireworks going?
[09:11] <f_newton> ok...
[09:11] <PM-OnAdventure> benplaut: WONDERFULLY. Look what I did with it: http://www.daede.com/MyNewDesktop.jpg
[09:11] <PM-OnAdventure> that window deco was done in fireworks on linux :D
[09:11] <PM-OnAdventure> *uNF*
[09:11] <dabaR> !msg the bot
[09:11] <ubotu> I guess msg the bot is please use /msg ubotu to play with the bot, the channel does not benefit much from your fun. Sorry.
[09:11] <PM-OnAdventure> oh, and im using mx 2k4
[09:12] <Amaranth> PM-OnAdventure: you created something ugly, congrats :P
[09:12] <PM-OnAdventure> blah
[09:12] <PM-OnAdventure> i like it
[09:12] <dabaR> haha, Amaranth so true...
[09:12] <f_newton> well Burgundavia that seems fair enough to me... could be a little hard to stick to in the heat of ...discussion... but a good thing to stick to
[09:12] <dabaR> I mean,to my taste too.
[09:12] <PM-OnAdventure> heh, well i like it :) very clean and not distracting
[09:13] <Amaranth> http://www.realistanew.com/desktop3.png
[09:13] <dabaR> the ass does not distract you??
[09:13] <Amaranth> ^ super clean
[09:13] <PM-OnAdventure> the next one is going to have a sci-fi look and feel
[09:13] <PM-OnAdventure> nah
[09:13] <PM-OnAdventure> im used to her
[09:13] <dabaR> ok, first Ill ask who is teh chick, Amaranth ...
[09:13] <Amaranth> dabaR: cristina scabbia
[09:13] <dabaR> before I diss your gf...:)
[09:13] <Burgundavia> f_newton, the CoC is designed so that it is followed at all times, most especially in the heat of dicussion
[09:14] <dabaR> omg, so its not even some gf or nothing, that is one ugly person, why her on your desjktop?
[09:14] <Amaranth> dabaR: you think she is ugly with her goth makeup on?
[09:14] <EnsignRedshirt> Hello, world.
[09:14] <PM-OnAdventure> and that's supposed to look any better? heh.. I do like it though
[09:14] <niran> Amaranth, i will be a happy man if notification area icons get transparent backgrounds eventually
[09:14] <Amaranth> dabaR: http://www.realistanew.com/desktop.png <--without the goth makeup
[09:14] <PM-OnAdventure> what iconset is that?
[09:14] <Amaranth> PM-OnAdventure: humility
[09:14] <PM-OnAdventure> nic
[09:14] <PM-OnAdventure> e
[09:14] <EnsignRedshirt> Anybody still using warty here? I have a couple questions about Firefox 1.0.6 in warty.
[09:14] <PM-OnAdventure> i'm using noia warm
[09:14] <PM-OnAdventure> i like it a lot
[09:14] <dabaR> still pretty how do you say that in english...
[09:15] <dabaR> we say gabor in my language.
[09:15] <dabaR> EnsignRedshirt: hello back,.,,
[09:15] <f_newton> debar... not only is that rude but totally a matter of your perspective
[09:15] <Amaranth> what does it mean?
[09:16] <dabaR> f_newton: what is rude?
[09:16] <EnsignRedshirt> After starting Firefox, the first time that I try to open a new tab, nothing happens. After that it works.
[09:16] <Amaranth> dabaR: she is the lead singer of lacuna coil, this awesome italian goth rock band
[09:16] <PM-OnAdventure> okay
[09:16] <PM-OnAdventure> stoned
[09:16] <PM-OnAdventure> store
[09:16] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, dabaR this is totally offtopic
[09:16] <PM-OnAdventure> munchies
[09:16] <PM-OnAdventure> bye
[09:16] <benplaut> bye
[09:16] <PM-OnAdventure> bbiab
[09:16] <dabaR> it means she is very ugly, I mean, not that prettyness is important, or anything, just I would not have her to look at all the time...
[09:16] <Madpilot> PM-OnAdventure: have fun. :)
[09:17] <dabaR> Burgundavia: ok...
[09:17] <f_newton> omg, so its not even some gf or nothing, that is one ugly person, why her on your desjktop?
[09:17] <Amaranth> Burgundavia is right, we're offtopic
[09:17] <Amaranth> ;)
[09:17] <PM-OnAdventure> yeah she'd be fun for a weekend, but she'd definately have to come with a return ticket
[09:17] <dabaR> haha
[09:17] <f_newton> that debar
[09:17] <benplaut> Amaranth: that was really... weird
[09:17] <dabaR> f_newton: ok, sorry, /msg ubotu nicktab
[09:17] <PM-OnAdventure> it's not rude, newt
[09:17] <Amaranth> /kick PM-OnAdventure vulgar and rude
[09:17] <Amaranth> err...
[09:17] <Madpilot> Amaranth: op'ing yourself... OK... ;)
[09:18] <PM-OnAdventure> heh
[09:18] <Amaranth> Madpilot: :)
[09:18] <benplaut> sibling rivalry...
[09:18] <Amaranth> PM-OnAdventure: Are you going somewhere?
[09:18] <PM-OnAdventure> tot he store
[09:18] <f_newton> if you said that about my sister I'd want your spleen
[09:18] <Madpilot> I'm starting to wonder if PM-OnAdventure isn't the only stoned person here... ;)
[09:18] <PM-OnAdventure> to get fewd
[09:18] <PM-OnAdventure> *poof*
[09:19] <f_newton> if you said that about my daughter I'd want you roasted on a spit
[09:19] <f_newton> if you said that about my wife, I'd probably go after youo
[09:19] <PM-OnAdventure> what if your daughter was fugly? youc an't help if people are attractive or not
[09:19] <dabaR> f_newton: ah...well, not that you could get it...but, I mean, I would never get offended cause of prettiness/ugliness, that is not what is important, I would get offended if someone said I am bad as a pwerson, and then again, I would not go for the spleen, I would go for my manners...but, you are free to choose your methods...
[09:19] <PM-OnAdventure> and you can't influence someone else's taste
[09:19] <PM-OnAdventure> *shrug*
[09:19] <Amaranth> Madpilot: pfft, it's just my god, no big deal
[09:20] <PM-OnAdventure> grr
[09:20] <Madpilot> guys, there *is* an ubuntu-offtopic channnel, and this isn't it...
[09:20] <PM-OnAdventure> storenow
[09:20] <KamiVIP> hi ^^ me again
[09:20] <benplaut> OK, everyone off the ubuntu-offtopic :)
[09:20] <benplaut> get in the van, get in the van :P
[09:20] <f_newton> lol
[09:20] <calamari> hi me
[09:21] <KamiVIP> when i try to run call of duty with celega i get this error http://www.shrani.si/pics/screensh59576.png
[09:21] <KamiVIP> i supose it's something with drivers?
[09:21] <hayden> can anyone help me with getting cisco vpn client to work, or how can i convert a cisco vpn client profile (pcf file) so i can use with vpnc!?
[09:22] <Amaranth> KamiVIP: try asking #cedega, i have no idea what that means
[09:22] <KamiVIP> Amaranth: maybe you know how to install drivers for ati ratdeon 9200?
[09:22] <f_newton> still bob I cant find anything about the place of hope ...
[09:22] <EnsignRedshirt> Anyone? ...In firefox, does opening a new tab work the first time you use ctrl-T (or the first time you use File->New Tab)?
[09:22] <Amaranth> KamiVIP: You already have the best drivers available.
[09:23] <KamiVIP> oh, i ho?
[09:23] <KamiVIP> do*
[09:23] <KamiVIP> but whey do i get this eror with cod it says its something with drivers :o
[09:23] <Amaranth> KamiVIP: /join #cedega
[09:24] <Amaranth> KamiVIP: it's a problem with cedega, not your drivers
[09:24] <KamiVIP> Amaranth: oh
[09:26] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, do you know what the status is on the systemupgradetool and gdmroadmap goals?
[09:26] <Sputn1k> i can't mount my win partition: jurgis@ubuntu:~$ dmesg | tail
[09:26] <Sputn1k> FAT: IO charset utf8 not found
[09:26] <Sputn1k> how can i install IO charset utf8?
[09:26] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, no new info on http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals
[09:26] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, gdmroadmap is nonhappending. System upgrade tool, no idea
[09:27] <spanglesontoast> can I make my ati radeon 9200 tv in take in a video in cable?
[09:27] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, I assume the latter is being worked on by Michel Vogt
[09:27] <glick> hmm looks like xchat.org is down
[09:27] <benplaut> what about OEMinstall and laptop-mode?
[09:27] <Burgundavia> OEMinstall is done
[09:27] <benplaut> goodie!
[09:27] <Burgundavia> all the laptop stuff is being actively developed
[09:28] <Amaranth> benplaut: OEMInstall probably means nothing for you :P
[09:28] <benplaut> i plan to be selling some ubuntu computers to poor kids in my school who need them
[09:28] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, what happened with the gdmroadmap. it says ". jdub has confirmed that Vincent Untz will be working on this as abounty."
[09:28] <benplaut> it can be really useful
[09:28] <Amaranth> benplaut: you're going to make a custom install cd for them?
[09:29] <benplaut> so... laptop mode will be done in time for feature-freeze?
[09:29] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, what are they working on- suspend? hibernate doesn't work on my dell inspiron 8200
[09:29] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, "
[09:29] <Burgundavia>
[09:29] <Burgundavia> jdub has confirmed that Vincent Untz will no longer be working on this bounty."
[09:29] <glick> to bad ubuntu wont run on my sparc5a
[09:29] <glick> to bad ubuntu wont run on my sparc5a
[09:29] <glick> to bad ubuntu wont run on my sparc5s
[09:29] <benplaut> Amaranth: maybe... i dunno yet
[09:29] <glick> there
[09:29] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, anything and everything to do with laptops
[09:29] <Sputn1k> i can't mount my win partition: jurgis@ubuntu:~$ dmesg | tail FAT: IO charset utf8 not found, how can i install IO charset utf8?... Help me please... l.
[09:29] <spanglesontoast> is it possible?
[09:29] <Burgundavia> glick, please don't spam
[09:30] <Amaranth> You know what, me having op power right now probably isn't the best thing.
[09:30] <glick> i didnt spam
[09:30] <glick> i kept making a spelling mistake
[09:30] <Amaranth> if you need an op look elsewhere, i'm too worked up
[09:30] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, isn't hoary supposed to support hibernate on most laptops?
[09:30] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, yes
[09:31] <glick> any plans to port ubuntu to sparc?
[09:31] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, if you laptop doesn't work, it is a bug
[09:31] <jasoncohen> on my laptop it takes forever to shut off and then it doesn't resume properly
[09:31] <Burgundavia> glick, there is some work
[09:31] <Burgundavia> glick, totally unofficially
[09:31] <glick> heh i found a 100mhz pentium with 32mb ram outside today
[09:32] <glick> wonder what if anything i should do with it
[09:32] <jasoncohen> glick, debian will run on sparc
[09:32] <glick> jasoncohen, yeah thats what i having running on one of em
[09:32] <glick> i should probably put it back where i found it
[09:33] <glick> it boots
[09:33] <glick> and works
[09:33] <glick> but what the hell can i do with it
[09:33] <f_newton> glick turn it into a household controller
[09:33] <spanglesontoast> can I make my ati radeon 9200 tv in take in a video in cable?
[09:34] <glick> oh gawd
[09:34] <glick> a household controller...are you listening to yourself?
[09:34] <f_newton> glick install something like os2 on it and have it regulate your household utilities tec
[09:34] <f_newton> uh etc
[09:35] <f_newton> computer controlled water heaters can save you nearly 400 dollars a year alone
[09:36] <glick> id rather just use a small embedded shizzy for 50 bucks then a coputer with a 300 watt power supply and a loud ass fan
[09:36] <f_newton> well then sorry I mentioned it... how may shizzys do you have to buy? when one closet mounted box will do?
[09:36] <Amaranth> glick: Please don't swear.
[09:37] <f_newton> is shizzy swearing?
[09:37] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, other than the laptop work, what other big changes will be made in breezy?
[09:37] <f_newton> oh never mind
[09:37] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, see the 2.12 stuff?
[09:37] <jasoncohen> ...hopefully the audio issues with ESD will be resolved
[09:37] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, they are, with alsa dmix
[09:38] <jasoncohen> saw that, but alsa dmix only works for some soundcards
[09:38] <glick> the electricity from the computer would cancel out the money saved from the water heater
[09:38] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, yes, but that is better than nothing
[09:38] <jasoncohen> true
[09:38] <Burgundavia> and the widespread testing will be good
[09:38] <jasoncohen> i heard fedora 4 has severe sound issues from one review- crackly sound with a popular sblive card and no fix
[09:39] <jasoncohen> also heard DVD playback was broken even with libdvdcss2- hard to believe though
[09:39] <Doonz> hey has anyone used divfix before?
[09:39] <f_newton> jasoncohen, my sblive has no problems with fc4
[09:39] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, haven't tested it
[09:39] <f_newton> thats on a different box then this
[09:39] <jasoncohen> there's no update on VideoPlaybackRoadmap - not sure if they are using gstreamer or xine engine
[09:39] <f_newton> this has ess
[09:40] <jasoncohen> f_newton, what do you think of fc4? i didn't want to deal with repository hell but i read fc4 has a very fast startup and is very fast overall
[09:40] <jasoncohen> f_newton, you mean esd?
[09:40] <aarcane> With the packages found in the officially recognized repositories, including backports, or the official hoary install CD, how can I resize a Windows NTFS Partition on hda1, move a swap partition on hda2 to the beginning of free space, and resize a reiserfs partition on hda3 to the beginning of the new free space
[09:40] <f_newton> well the repo hell is why i took a chance on ubuntu
[09:40] <f_newton> fc4 seems to deteriorate after a while and the updating is a serious nightmare
[09:41] <f_newton> so far this ubuntu seems to run fine but there are some quirks about it
[09:41] <f_newton> and its not nearly as slick
[09:41] <f_newton> but it runs really well
[09:41] <jasoncohen> aarcane, sudo apt-get install gparted ntfsprogs
[09:42] <jasoncohen> aarcane, oh and reiserfsprogs
[09:42] <jasoncohen> f_newton, not as slick?
[09:42] <f_newton> jasoncohen, fc4 gnome is a very well done w/m
[09:43] <aarcane> jasoncohen, I think ubuntu was smart enough to include reiserfsprogs when I installed with a reiserfs root drive.. I hope so at least
[09:43] <aarcane> *partition
[09:43] <jasoncohen> aarcane, one would hope
[09:43] <jasoncohen> dpkg -l reiserfsprogs
[09:44] <Whistler> is there any programs for downloading whole website?
[09:45] <Whistler> for offline viewing
[09:45] <aarcane> yaaaaay, I have reiserfsprogs :D thank you very much, jasoncohen, Hopefully this will work and work well :)
[09:46] <JeffAMcGee> try wget
[09:47] <Razor-X> wow, my voice sounds like a missionary
[09:47] <Whistler> any suggestions?
[09:47] <Razor-X> all soft, and nice
[09:47] <Razor-X> -_-
[09:47] <f_newton> jasoncohen, ubuntu is faster then fc4 by a long shot
[09:50] <Ledo> Hey
[09:50] <Ledo> anyone up for helpin a noob with installin ubuntu
[09:51] <Whistler> i wanna download website for offline browsing any software for this task?
[09:51] <MrRagga> Ledo: what kind of problems do you have? i have 5 min left before i have to go
[09:51] <joachim_> hi
[09:52] <MrRagga> whisKy: wget -mr domain.tld
[09:52] <MrRagga> joachim_: hi
[09:52] <Madpilot> Ledo: have you seen the Ubuntu wiki install pages?
[09:52] <joachim_> why does "cp .Skype/ ~" give me an error of cp: omitting directory `.Skype/' ?
[09:52] <Ledo> ok. i get a missing config error, /etc/x11/xf86config-4 missing
[09:52] <joachim_> what does it mean?
[09:52] <Ledo> yeah but it didnt help
[09:53] <[SteveB] > how do i get nvidia-glx working here
[09:53] <Whistler> i wanna download website for offline browsing any software for this task?
[09:53] <Ledo> And gnome wont start, it just flashes at the logon screen then gives a xfree86 error
[09:53] <[SteveB] > i installed it using the synaptics package manager (i think i got it right) but am unsure of what else needs to be done
[09:53] <Ledo> steveb - u need the package
[09:53] <rei> alow
[09:54] <[SteveB] > Ledo: i got it i think
[09:54] <Ledo> when i type: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable i get the error /etc/x11/xf86config-4 missing, and something about xserver
[09:54] <Solo> how can i identify my user "dag" as the root so that i can chmod a folder ..?
[09:55] <joachim_> ah. *ggogles for answer*
[09:55] <[SteveB] > Ledo: so what else would i need to do besides install the package
[09:55] <Ledo> enable it
[09:56] <MrRagga> Whistler: wget -mr domain.tld
[09:56] <[SteveB] > also i never set a root pass
[09:56] <Ledo> if you can get to the cmd thingy enter this: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[09:56] <MrRagga> whisKy: sorry
[09:56] <[SteveB] > this is my first time using ubuntu
[09:56] <[SteveB] > how come it didnt ask for me to set a root pass
[09:56] <Madpilot> !sudo
[09:56] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:56] <Madpilot> [SteveB] : see the URL that ubotu just provided
[09:56] <[SteveB] > k
[09:57] <Madpilot> Ubuntu uses sudo istead
[09:57] <[SteveB] > ok
[09:57] <[SteveB] > well
[09:57] <[SteveB] > steve@desktop:~$ sudo nvidia-glx-config
[09:57] <[SteveB] > Password:
[09:57] <[SteveB] > MY password? or root pass? what does it want
[09:57] <Madpilot> your password
[09:57] <Burgundavia> your password
[09:58] <Whistler> MrRagga but it donwloads index only
[09:58] <Whistler> i need to download whole website
[09:58] <Ledo> root pass
[09:58] <Amaranth> all your breezy freaks will like this news
[09:58] <Ledo> or your pass
[09:58] <Ledo> depending on usename
[09:59] <Amaranth> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12 is one build failure away from being available
[09:59] <Amaranth> s/your/you/
[09:59] <Whistler> :)
[09:59] <Madpilot> Ledo: your pass in Ubuntu, by default
[09:59] <Ledo> ahh ok, so ill try ubuntu again
[09:59] <Ledo> back to setup ;)
[10:02] <MrRagga> whisKy: what is the name of the site?
[10:02] <MrRagga> URL?
[10:02] <batma8> hey everyone, does anyone hav etime to help me out with an ra2500 wireless setup?
[10:02] <batma8> im frickin lost
[10:03] <MrRagga> !listdb
[10:03] <Razor-X> f_newton: what's your default Terminal Emulator?
[10:03] <Razor-X> batma8: what's a ra2500?
[10:03] <Doonz> if something is giving me a segment error what should i look for to fix it?
[10:03] <batma8> ralink tech 2500 wireless internal, for an averatec 3250 laptop
[10:04] <Razor-X> Doonz: a number of things
[10:04] <Razor-X> :(
[10:04] <Doonz> crap
[10:04] <batma8> ive had it running, but i had to reformat, and its been alonnnnnnng time
[10:04] <Razor-X> batma8: have you tried the ndiswrapper stuff?
[10:04] <Whistler> i wanna download website for offline browsing any software for this task?
[10:04] <batma8> i dloaded ndiswrapper but i dont really know how to use it
[10:04] <Razor-X> Whistler: one of the best UNIX apps available, wget
[10:04] <batma8> and i think i have the right driver too
[10:05] <Razor-X> !tell batma8 about wireless
[10:05] <Whistler> but wget donwloads only 1 page
[10:05] <MrRagga> Whistler: what is the name of the site, URL?
[10:05] <[SteveB] > how can i make X use a specific res.
[10:05] <Razor-X> that should link to ndiswrapper
[10:05] <Whistler> http://how-to.ten.lt/
[10:05] <Razor-X> Whistler: have you read the wget man page?
[10:05] <[SteveB] > the only method i know is editing the conf but im wondering if theres a newer/better way
[10:05] <Razor-X> !tell [SteveB] about resolution
[10:05] <batma8> thank you razor
[10:05] <[SteveB] > thank you too, Razor-X
[10:05] <[SteveB] > lol
[10:05] <Razor-X> Whistler: the man page says you can use ``wget -r''
[10:05] <Razor-X> wget -r is recursive
[10:06] <Razor-X> then, if memory serves me right, -l determines the level to which it stops recursion
[10:06] <Razor-X> see, reading helps ;)
[10:06] <Whistler> no easier way?
[10:06] <Whistler> :D
[10:07] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, i saw some info about 2.12. what major changes will be introduced?
[10:07] <MrRagga> Whistler: check out the index.html , maybe the stuff you want to download is redirected to another host. usually wget works fine, have to go cya
[10:07] <[SteveB] > Razor-X: well it uses 1600x1200 by default but i'd prefer it to use 1280x960
[10:07] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-12/
[10:07] <Razor-X> [SteveB] : that howto should help with that
[10:07] <Razor-X> it helps with all resolutions
[10:07] <[SteveB] > Razor-X: ok
[10:07] <Madpilot> I'm imagining wget -r running through a big website - that would be entertaining to watch from a distance
[10:07] <Madpilot> at least it respects robots.txt...
[10:08] <SquareGuy> batma8, Razor-X this might be of interest too. http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[10:08] <Whistler> ok thx bb
[10:09] <PurpleMotion> i've got a 2litre of that cherry vanilla dr pepper in the freezer becoming a slurpie
[10:09] <PurpleMotion> err slurpee
[10:09] <PurpleMotion> should be good
[10:09] <Razor-X> SquareGuy: what is it of?
[10:10] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: what terminal emulator do you use?
[10:10] <rei> alow
[10:10] <PurpleMotion> konsole
[10:10] <PurpleMotion> (I'm a big kde fan)
[10:10] <SquareGuy> Razor-X, it it an opensource driver for that card
[10:10] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: not a problem, i'm compiling a list of most used terminal emulators for my video segment
[10:10] <Razor-X> SquareGuy: I don't use that card so, meh
[10:10] <PurpleMotion> right on
[10:11] <PurpleMotion> i bet eterm and xterm are real high on that list
[10:11] <Razor-X> that's why I said above ``I sound like a missionary'' ;)
[10:11] <Razor-X> yeah, I use Eterm myself
[10:11] <SquareGuy> Razor-X, i know i said that to the both of you since it was you who was helping him
[10:11] <PurpleMotion> Razor-X: do they think you're a nerd in school?
[10:11] <Razor-X> SquareGuy: mmmkay
[10:11] <PurpleMotion> They thought I was a nerd in school
[10:11] <PurpleMotion> but now
[10:11] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: of course
[10:11] <Razor-X> I don't care though
[10:11] <Razor-X> I wear math on my shirt, meh
[10:12] <Razor-X> but, I never thought I sounded so meek.... *shrugs*
[10:12] <Razor-X> all outspoken, and stuff
[10:12] <PurpleMotion> I'm the one who makes good money.. the one the girls are looking at six years after high school when it's time to find a provider :D
[10:12] <Razor-X> SquareGuy: what's your favorite terminal emulator?
[10:12] <PurpleMotion> and all those jocks are used car salesmen whose kids dont listen to them
[10:12] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: hahahaha!!
[10:13] <Razor-X> I also found out first hand why people use ``scripts'' ;)
[10:13] <PurpleMotion> wise things float from these fingertips, my boy... wise things, indeed
[10:13] <Razor-X> I messed up the first line of the program 3 times, because I was thinking off the top of my head
[10:13] <PurpleMotion> cause you can do just about anything with them
[10:13] <Razor-X> meh
[10:13] <Razor-X> I still do a good Palpatine though ;)
[10:13] <PurpleMotion> a good what?
[10:14] <Razor-X> Episode III
[10:14] <PurpleMotion> oh
[10:14] <PurpleMotion> havent seen
[10:14] <bluetux_tbook> hi, can i get old source? using apt-get souce some old version?
[10:14] <Razor-X> o_O
[10:14] <PurpleMotion> not my thing
[10:15] <Razor-X> bluetux_tbook: not sure, really
[10:15] <PurpleMotion> bluetux_tbook: well, if there's a package int he repositories of that version, and a corresponding source package, then yes
[10:15] <SquareGuy> Razor-X, you mean for shell work or for actual terminal emulation for remote connections to various hardware?
[10:16] <Razor-X> SquareGuy: well, nowadays, the VT100 isn't the only Terminal Emulator ;)
[10:16] <Razor-X> rxvt and the like are generally reffered to as software Terminal Emulators
[10:16] <Razor-X> and shells are, technically, BASH, zsh, etc.
[10:16] <bluetux_tbook> PurpleMotion, Razor-X Thanks all
[10:16] <Razor-X> bluetux_tbook: don't thank me, I just said ``I don't know'' ;)
[10:16] <PurpleMotion> VT100 is still the standard, though
[10:16] <Razor-X> that's true
[10:17] <SquareGuy> Razor-X, well about all i use now is gnome terminal. i have used putty and at work i used a commercial terminal but i forget its name
[10:17] <bluetux_tbook> Razor-X, :-)
[10:17] <Razor-X> I'm going to have to mux the audio and video after I finish production
[10:17] <PurpleMotion> damn man
[10:17] <Razor-X> SquareGuy: cool
[10:17] <PurpleMotion> the munchies kicked my ass
[10:17] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: munchies?
[10:17] <PurpleMotion> uh huh
[10:17] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: Talk about illegal things should go elsewhere.
[10:18] <PurpleMotion> being hungry is illegal?
[10:18] <SquareGuy> Razor-X, i dont have to connect to various old crap anymore hehe
[10:18] <PurpleMotion> im goin to jail
[10:18] <F0ckF3ar22> i dont have a cd rom dirve on my sony vaio but i have a floppy drive... and a network connection with other comps on it.. is there a way to install ubuntu.. i also have an ipod that could be used as a usb disk
[10:18] <brent> hello
[10:18] <SquareGuy> Razor-X, we got rid of our AS/400 a few months ago WOOOHOOO
[10:19] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, the new gnome menu editor looks almost identical to smeg. is it a clone?
[10:19] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, no
[10:19] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, the gnome editor is much much simpler
[10:19] <Draucon> is there a way to add all directories and their contents recursively to an xmms playlist?
[10:19] <brent> if you can get ubuntu to boot, just do a server install
[10:19] <graabein> hi guys
[10:19] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: we both worked off the same sketch made by a GNOME usability guy
[10:19] <jasoncohen> ok
[10:19] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, you work on smeg?
[10:19] <F0ckF3ar22> Razor-X, whats up
[10:19] <Amaranth> i wrote it, yes
[10:19] <jasoncohen> so- why not just use smeg as gnome's menu editor?
[10:20] <graabein> anyone know how to run ubuntu with english language but with norwegian spelling and datetime format?
[10:20] <Amaranth> because i don't use their backend
[10:20] <Razor-X> F0ckF3ar22: hey
[10:20] <PurpleMotion> just out of curiosity, why not?
[10:20] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: why don't i use their backend?
[10:20] <PurpleMotion> right
[10:20] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, will smeg .8 be in breezy?
[10:20] <F0ckF3ar22> Razor-X, well im back home and im gonna give this ubuntu installation another shot
[10:21] <brent> graabein, this sounds like a tricky combination
[10:21] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: well, their backend isn't in 2.10 so hoary users wouldn't be able to use smeg
[10:21] <SquareGuy> jasoncohen, Amaranth, I sure hope so
[10:21] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: plus their backend sucks :P
[10:21] <PurpleMotion> fair enough
[10:21] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: breezy's default menu editor, hopefully
[10:21] <f_newton> what in the world is a hoary?
[10:21] <Razor-X> F0ckF3ar22: how'ld it go?
[10:21] <f_newton> lol
[10:21] <PurpleMotion> doesnt really matter, either.. as long as it finds and edits the right menus, who cares
[10:21] <brent> has anyone installed LMMS?
[10:21] <Amaranth> f_newton: hoary hedgehog, aka ubuntu 5.04
[10:21] <F0ckF3ar22> Razor-X not to well... im thinking of going with the debian flopppy install then upgrading
[10:22] <Madpilot> !hoary
[10:22] <ubotu> [hoary] a word that means grey or ancient. Shakespeare made a joke about it in his play Romeo and Juliet
[10:22] <brent> i cannot find a deb and its not in the apt sources
[10:22] <f_newton> its a kind of groundhog?
[10:22] <Razor-X> hey, i'm recording this session ;)
[10:22] <Madpilot> f_newton: there ya go ^^^
[10:22] <graabein> http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-12/
[10:22] <PurpleMotion> cat /proc/version:
[10:22] <PurpleMotion> Linux version 2.6.10-5-686 (buildd@vernadsky) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2)) #1 Fri Jun 24 17:33:34 UTC 2005
[10:22] <Razor-X> F0ckF3ar22: that's what you want
[10:22] <Razor-X> F0ckF3ar22: the Debian from HDD, and then to Ubuntu was what I suggested
[10:22] <PurpleMotion> yay
[10:22] <Razor-X> but Floppy is end-all
[10:22] <graabein> david brent, why? i dont think im the first to want that?
[10:22] <F0ckF3ar22> Razor-X, from hdd? whats that
[10:22] <PurpleMotion> I should recompile my kernel and add bootsplash support
[10:23] <PurpleMotion> and really deck this box out
[10:23] <Razor-X> F0ckF3ar22: google installing debian from harddrive
[10:23] <graabein> Amaranth, looks like there will be a menu editor in gnome 2.12 (and breezy)
[10:23] <PurpleMotion> turn off all the pcmcia crap and modular support for every piece of hardware ever made
[10:23] <Amaranth> graabein: That editor show/hides things.
[10:23] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, how was 2.10 released without any menu editor?
[10:23] <Amaranth> graabein: And that's it.
[10:23] <F0ckF3ar22> Razor-X you do know that i have a corrupted windows 98 right..
[10:24] <jasoncohen> graabein, there will be 2- the gnome menu editor and smeg
[10:24] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, any news on smeg by default?
[10:24] <brent> why not just go buy a cheap cdrom? there only like $25.00 i bet you can find a used one even cheaper
[10:24] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: It was decided that the new menu system needed to get into that release but due to time-based releases they didn't have time to make an editor.
[10:24] <PurpleMotion> I'm getting a Radeon 9250 128DDR w/s-video, vga, & digital out...
[10:24] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: no one has contested it yet
[10:24] <PurpleMotion> tri-head video card
[10:24] <graabein> i've got smeg myself. works fine.
[10:24] <PurpleMotion> *uNF*
[10:24] <brent> how does a sony viao not have a cdrom anyhow?
[10:25] <Razor-X> Amaranth: what's your favorite Terminal Emulator?
[10:25] <Amaranth> Razor-X: gnome-terminal
[10:25] <PurpleMotion> brent: sony can be VERY ecclectic from time to time
[10:25] <F0ckF3ar22> brent, the vaio is really small all the drives are external
[10:25] <brent> not bashing, just wondering, my friend has one and it has dvdrom and dvd-rw
[10:25] <F0ckF3ar22> yeah but its c1xs
[10:25] <brent> viao laptop?
[10:25] <brent> or desktop i should have asked
[10:25] <brent> my bad
[10:25] <Razor-X> Amaranth: mmmkay
[10:25] <graabein> that reminds me. i need to get gnomebaker and tv-out working
[10:26] <graabein> i have to boot xp to burn cd/dvd and watch movies on my telly
[10:26] <bluetux_tbook> is there a site colect old ubuntu package source?
[10:26] <PurpleMotion> what's a good program for creating superkaramba themes?
[10:26] <jasoncohen> i really hope PackageDependencyManagement gets done for breezy so that synaptic has the same functionality as aptitude to remove dependencies of an app when that app is removed
[10:26] <graabein> bluetux_tbook, cant you modify your sources.list to use warty?
[10:27] <PurpleMotion> jasoncohen: so do I
[10:27] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: I've heard nothing on it.
[10:27] <jasoncohen> it'll make removing meta packages a lot easier
[10:27] <brent> about LMMS, has anyone tried this? It looks like fruityloops for linux
[10:27] <brent> * Linux Multi Media Studio
[10:27] <graabein> brent, got a link?
[10:27] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, it says work has been done and there are some test packages
[10:27] <F0ckF3ar22> Razor-X, that made no sense
[10:27] <PurpleMotion> why dont they just port synaptic to aptitude?
[10:27] <brent> kde-apps.org
[10:28] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: Go do it, see you in a couple years. :P
[10:28] <PurpleMotion> brent: the kde-*.org sites are broken for me for an unknown reason
[10:28] <brent> my bad heres the official site: http://lmms.sourceforge.net/
[10:28] <PurpleMotion> Amaranth: it's just a front-end to apt.. what's so far fetched about it? apt and aptitude behave almost identically ont he command line
[10:29] <F0ckF3ar22> Razor-X, isnt the floppy install easier to use
[10:29] <graabein> brent, i havent tried music producing progs...
[10:29] <brent> no binaries it says
[10:29] <PurpleMotion> okay
[10:30] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: I'm pretty sure synaptic is using libraries, not just calling things on the command line.
[10:30] <brent> oh, I installed one called hydrogen via apt-get. it says something about ALSA though, not quite sure about that
[10:30] <benplaut> well, 'night everyone
[10:30] <jasoncohen> can a distribution upgrade through apt configure the system in the same way an install can? other than some stuff for power management and of course disk partitioning, isn't a fresh install the same as an upgraded system?
[10:30] <brent> night
[10:30] <PurpleMotion> what makes you say that? to look at it, and at it's behavior, it could be dealing directly with a single pipe *shrug*
[10:31] <graabein> anyone tried quod libet / ex falso? the music player?
[10:31] <graabein> http://www.sacredchao.net/quodlibet
[10:31] <brent> also, has anyone experienced choppy sound quality in realplayer 10 for linux?
[10:31] <PurpleMotion> realplayer?
[10:32] <PurpleMotion> heh
[10:32] <brent> yes
[10:32] <PurpleMotion> mplayer plays real with w32codecs installed
[10:32] <PurpleMotion> so does totem-xine, totem-gstreamer, and kaffeine
[10:32] <PurpleMotion> and noatun
[10:32] <brent> well i started at the ubuntuguide.org and went from there.
[10:32] <duckie> why not jst use xmms for music
[10:32] <PurpleMotion> why use xmms at all?
[10:32] <Madpilot> !restricted
[10:32] <ubotu> I guess restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:33] <brent> i do use xmms, i like it because it is similar to winamp and i always liked that interface
[10:33] <graabein> PurpleMotion, what do you use then? rythmbox?
[10:33] <Madpilot> brent: see ubotu's post above - better place to start than ubuntuguide
[10:33] <PurpleMotion> mplayer
[10:33] <brent> i was just wondering it this was normal for realplayer or not?
[10:33] <PurpleMotion> brent: please tell me this thing has a midi interface
[10:33] <graabein> brent, i want a player that is lightweight and works with ipods and also uses librarys
[10:33] <graabein> ies
[10:34] <whitefang> how do i make a window fullscreen again after i make it windowed?
[10:34] <mlambrigger> Can someone explain how config a WLan card??
[10:34] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: the BBC in their wisdom decided to make an on-line "player" that uses realplayer: afaik you can't use mplayer/xine et al with it
[10:34] <Madpilot> !wireless
[10:34] <ubotu> it has been said that wireless is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[10:34] <magde> hachja, ich wechsel jetzt mal voller freude wieder zurck zur windowsoberflche xD
[10:34] <brent> Madpilot, what's the link please?
[10:34] <Madpilot> mlambrigger: see ubotu's post above
[10:34] <Madpilot> brent: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:34] <batma8> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/Installation...... this link is down and so far the only thing that seems like it might help with my wireless problem
[10:34] <PurpleMotion> I finally found a package that would be worth the time and effort of sponsoring into the universe
[10:35] <jasoncohen> cool- bum is now in breezy
[10:35] <graabein> bum?
[10:35] <jasoncohen> boot up manager
[10:35] <F0ckF3ar22> HEy i have a question
[10:35] <F0ckF3ar22> COuld some one help me out
[10:36] <F0ckF3ar22> if i put the whole Ubuntu cd in my ipod
[10:36] <jasoncohen> graabein, http://www.marzocca.net/linux/bum.html
[10:36] <F0ckF3ar22> can i boot an installation that way
[10:36] <F0ckF3ar22> if i put the whole ubuntu cd on my ipod could i load an installation from there
[10:36] <graabein> jasoncohen, yeah i remember. ive looked at bum... but i think gnome 2.12 will have something similar?
[10:36] <PurpleMotion> this lmms thing
[10:37] <jasoncohen> graabein, yeah, but the gnome tool will be very simple
[10:37] <PurpleMotion> does it have a midi interface?
[10:37] <Burgundavia> graabein, already does
[10:37] <jasoncohen> graabein, just like smeg, bum will have more features than the default gnome tool
[10:37] <brent> one other question, have you tried to play video from a cd, not vcd but mpgs from a cdrom. they appear in black and white in kaffine, real, noatune, and xine. when i copy to hd, there all in color. what gives? any idea?
[10:37] <graabein> okay
[10:37] <jasoncohen> graabein, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/GraphicalConfigTools
[10:37] <Burgundavia> graabein, http://www.gnome.org/~carlosg/stuff/gst/new-services-2.png
[10:38] <jasoncohen> graabein, for some reason, the gnome tool doesn't seem to show all the available services...bum also gives better descriptions and allows you to change a service's priority
[10:38] <graabein> i think i need bum. somehow ive got lots of weird services running witch i dont need
[10:39] <F0ckF3ar22> can i boot an ubuntu installation using my ipod
[10:39] <jasoncohen> graabein, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42129
[10:39] <graabein> can you boot from your ipod at all?
[10:39] <Burgundavia> graabein, ubuntu is pretty good about turning of stuff that is a security risk
[10:39] <F0ckF3ar22> well i dunno
[10:39] <PurpleMotion> nowhere does it say whether or not this program has a midi interface
[10:39] <PurpleMotion> buggar
[10:40] <F0ckF3ar22> im trying to install ubuntu on a system with no cd rom drive
[10:40] <brent> a lot of this is faily new to me but i am having a blast learning. goodbye to windows, not really. i wish my sony minidisk and my pocket pc were completely compatible with my linux system. btw, i installed kubuntu, because i have always prefered kde over gnome.
[10:40] <F0ckF3ar22> just a floppy
[10:40] <graabein> Burgundavia, yeah, i am pretty new to linux. just got converted some months ago
[10:40] <graabein> Burgundavia, and now is the time to mess around! hehe
[10:40] <Burgundavia> graabein, backup first
[10:40] <Burgundavia> graabein, and google for what you are turning off
[10:40] <jasoncohen> Mez, is anything happening with mozilla-mplayer? will 2.85 or a gtk2 version get into breezy?
[10:40] <graabein> Burgundavia, its pretty safe. like xpilot server, you know
[10:42] <brent> F0ckF3ar22, i'm wondering if there isn't a floppy install somewhere on the net for this. do you have broadband? if you can boot to just the kernal you should be able to do a server install from that i think.
[10:42] <graabein> another thing... i dont think ubuntu handles my firewire pci-card all that well... should i report a bug?
[10:43] <PurpleMotion> yaknow what
[10:43] <PurpleMotion> im just gonna download it
[10:43] <PurpleMotion> and find out
[10:43] <graabein> go for it PurpleMotion, im cheering for you
[10:43] <graabein> or rooting, im not english
[10:43] <PurpleMotion> well
[10:43] <PurpleMotion> their website has like no information about their product
[10:44] <brent> (k)ubuntu wasnt perfect out of the box, at least for me. It required a bit of configuration, including learning the commands but it was fun. I like it better than other install/tests i have done including mandriva, red hat, knoppix, and linspire
[10:45] <brent> my main problems were with sound and ppp
[10:45] <f_newton> I like the fact that ive been using it for almost three days now and it still runs properly...
[10:45] <PurpleMotion> ubuntu could use an autosensing technology to launch a point&click gui installer if capable, but other than that, it's about as straightforward as you get
[10:45] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, when will major bug testing start on breezy- after the feature freeze?
[10:45] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, it has already started
[10:46] <brent> i thought the installer was rather easy and straight forward. i am geeky though and i know that my mom could never figure it out, but she is really old
[10:46] <Burgundavia> brent, there is a new installer coming for breezy
[10:46] <graabein> brent, hehe
[10:46] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, should breezy be in pretty decent shape by september?
[10:46] <f_newton> as far as installing goes ... it does and it isnt much trouble ... if the os is built right you only have to install each version once, unlike fedora 4 which goes south every couple of weeks or next update set whichever occurrs first
[10:46] <Madpilot> brent: like, over 40? j/k
[10:46] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, already far more stable
[10:46] <brent> really? hmm ive read that mepis is easy and also knoppix and mandriva are
[10:47] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, except X is still broken, heh
[10:47] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, for some, much less so
[10:47] <f_newton> mepis was easy to install but I found it glitchy as heck
[10:47] <resiak> Burgundavia: There is? Based on d-i?
[10:47] <f_newton> mandriva has always been a rather simple installation
[10:47] <f_newton> mdk even
[10:47] <Burgundavia> resiak, the server install will still be d-i
[10:47] <PurpleMotion> ill say this
[10:48] <Burgundavia> resiak, the new installer will unify the live and install cds
[10:48] <resiak> Burgundavia: ...and they're not implementing the desktop one as a d-i frontend?
[10:48] <Burgundavia> no
[10:48] <PurpleMotion> mandriva has come a world away from where it started (mdk)
[10:48] <brent> i actually used the mandriva disk one to make my partitions becasue the partition app that comes on mandriva is really awsome. it has a simple little slider to configure your partition size. its really cool idf anything just for that. then i installed kubuntu, lol
[10:48] <f_newton> really?
[10:48] <jasoncohen> f_newton, mandriva is nice because you can install the commercial stuff and almost all multimedia codecs/programs from their official repos
[10:48] <f_newton> its gotten that much better?
[10:48] <Burgundavia> start the live cd and then copy over the data from that, once the desktop is all setup
[10:48] <Burgundavia> completely graphical
[10:48] <PurpleMotion> Burgundavia: there an eta ont he new installer?
[10:48] <jasoncohen> f_newton, but deban/ubuntu obviously has a much larger package base
[10:49] <brent> mandriva is nice, but bloated, anmd i hate the little star
[10:49] <f_newton> at this point and from my limited experience I'd say ubuntu here is the winner in the distro run off
[10:49] <Burgundavia> PurpleMotion, feature freeze is next week, so pretty soon now
[10:49] <resiak> Burgundavia: That's fairly insane, but oh well.
[10:49] <Burgundavia> resiak, why?
[10:49] <jasoncohen> brent, heh, mandriva hires the worst artists...did you see the art in 2005 LE?
[10:49] <f_newton> and debian based w/ gnome is the reason
[10:49] <jasoncohen> it was putrid
[10:49] <PurpleMotion> Burgundavia: sounds like it's gonna be on breezy
[10:49] <brent> but it is easy, and imho, maybe one of the most marketable for the mainstream
[10:49] <Burgundavia> PurpleMotion, it will be
[10:49] <PurpleMotion> or maybe the one after
[10:49] <PurpleMotion> right on
[10:49] <PurpleMotion> good to hear it
[10:49] <jasoncohen> brent, true
[10:50] <brent> when is breezy due out?
[10:50] <resiak> Burgundavia: Because d-i was designed with multiple frontends in mind. But I suppose putting it atop the livecd will work.
[10:50] <f_newton> october?
[10:50] <jasoncohen> brent, mid october
[10:50] <jasoncohen> october 13th is the exact date
[10:50] <Burgundavia> resiak, I was there in Mataro when we discussed X on d-i. It would not be pretty
[10:50] <Burgundavia> resiak, plus you get one cd
[10:50] <f_newton> exact date eh?
[10:50] <f_newton> lol
[10:50] <resiak> Burgundavia: Hmm, not pretty eh? Whoops.
[10:50] <jasoncohen> f_newton, they'll probably release very close to schedule
[10:50] <brent> when its out do i have to reinstall my whole system or can i just apt-get to recieve all of the updates and features. a reinstall will be a major pain in the arse
[10:51] <jasoncohen> f_newton, fedora was only about a week off
[10:51] <Burgundavia> resiak, what works on some hardware wouldn't work on others
[10:51] <resiak> Burgundavia: Eenteresting.
[10:51] <jasoncohen> f_newton, heh, but they just release without fixing bugs
[10:51] <f_newton> fedora should have been postponed till they got the kinks out
[10:51] <Burgundavia> brent, the upgrade path should be smooth
[10:51] <resiak> f_newton: Note that Fedora is _meant_ to be bleeding-edge.
[10:51] <Burgundavia> hoary was 2 days
[10:51] <f_newton> fc4 has cost them a lot of supporters, me included
[10:51] <jasoncohen> brent, the recommended upgrade process is to use apt-get dist-upgrade or synaptic
[10:51] <PurpleMotion> brent: change all instances of "hoary" to "breezy" in /etc/apt/sources.list and then do: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:51] <wahlau> hi
[10:51] <Burgundavia> due to gnome stuff
[10:51] <Burgundavia> PurpleMotion, going to be even simpler
[10:51] <brent> will upgrades be released before official iso?
[10:52] <wahlau> breezy?
[10:52] <PurpleMotion> you dont get much simpler than that :D
[10:52] <Burgundavia> wahlau, next version of ubuntu
[10:52] <f_newton> I think I would rather just clean install
[10:52] <wahlau> wow
[10:52] <wahlau> i am excited
[10:52] <wahlau> :D
[10:52] <brent> i see, but its too early yet right?
[10:52] <Burgundavia> PurpleMotion, how about a big button that says "Upgrade"?
[10:52] <jasoncohen> brent, no- i imagine they'll be released the same day
[10:52] <jasoncohen> brent, well- you can install breezy any time
[10:52] <Burgundavia> as part of the Upgrade manager
[10:52] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, it's being worked on
[10:52] <brent> is it still buggy though or safe to install?
[10:52] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, yes, I am well aware
[10:53] <PurpleMotion> the already in place upgrade manager?
[10:53] <Burgundavia> brent, mostly buggy right now
[10:53] <Burgundavia> PurpleMotion, yes
[10:53] <PurpleMotion> nifty
[10:53] <f_newton> so whats a wahlau?
[10:53] <wahlau> wahlau?
[10:53] <brent> thats what i was gettin at. ill wait til the release, hehe
[10:53] <f_newton> some furry lil insect or scurrying spider?
[10:53] <wahlau> ;)
[10:53] <jasoncohen> brent, it's pretty buggy now- i would wait until it's released or until much closer to the release date
[10:53] <wahlau> a slang to say "wow" or "OMG" in Malaysia or Singapore
[10:53] <brent> yeah
[10:53] <f_newton> k
[10:54] <jiyuu0> wahlau, hehe
[10:54] <PurpleMotion> ill still do it the old fashioned way though
[10:54] <wahlau> hey jiyuu0
[10:54] <brent> im still trying to learn my stable system, I don't need to go and mess things up. To bad there isn't a system restore proggy like in XP, or is there, lol
[10:54] <wahlau> u are here :)
[10:54] <jiyuu0> wahlau, yes... what a small world
[10:54] <jiyuu0> ;-0
[10:55] <jasoncohen> brent, system restore doesn't work a lot of time in xp, heh
[10:55] <brent> this is the first time i used xchat, and i have to dsay, it is very mirc-like
[10:55] <brent> true, sys-rest
[10:55] <PurpleMotion> it's worked at least 90% of the time for me
[10:56] <PurpleMotion> driver rollback was also flawless nearly 95% of the time
[10:56] <brent> hey this isnt an xp chat, lol
[10:56] <whitefang> i changed my sound output from esd to alsa in the multimedia systems selector
[10:56] <PurpleMotion> I gotta give it to MS, with XP they REALLY improved fault tolerance
[10:56] <brent> sorry my bad
[10:56] <whitefang> i restarted, and its still loading esd
[10:57] <whitefang> any way to force esd to stop loading?
[10:57] <brent> yeah with that but their backup program still sux and there are many security flwas
[10:57] <wahlau> jiyuu0: well, you're the champion in ubuntu :) no wonder :)
[10:57] <Tomcat_> whitefang: Remove the ESD startups in your services.
[10:57] <whitefang> Tomcat_, how?
[10:57] <jino> can some one temme how to dial for a net onnection using modem
[10:57] <PurpleMotion> whitefang: /etc/init.d/esd stop && ls -la /etc/rc2.d/*esd (then rm -rf /etc/rc2.d/S??esd (the one that comes up))
[10:57] <brent> i heard that vista will allow backups to cdr/rw
[10:57] <wahlau> guys, i get this funny problem
[10:57] <wahlau> i cannot setup printer :)
[10:57] <Burgundavia> wahlau, shoot
[10:57] <PurpleMotion> = Hey, LMMS was configured successfully! Now try to build it by typing
[10:57] <PurpleMotion> = 'make' and wait until the compilation-process has finished.
[10:58] <PurpleMotion> *uNF*
[10:58] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, so, will we see anything like system restore in ubuntu?
[10:58] <whitefang> PurpleMotion, i thought there was a shell script to handle that kind of thing?
[10:58] <wahlau> gnome-cups-manager starts, and later throws out some error 1280
[10:58] <thoreauputic> looks like restricted modules have made it into breezy for 2.6.12* ...
[10:58] <wahlau> any idea?
[10:58] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleBackupSolution
[10:58] <jasoncohen> that's always been an annoyance on linux. it's easy to f*** up the system
[10:58] <PurpleMotion> jasoncohen: how should I know? heh.. just saying ms really came a long ways in that department
[10:58] <Razor-X> lesson #2 when making your own video
[10:58] <wahlau> jasoncohen: that is because we have *control* over our system
[10:58] <wahlau> :)
[10:58] <Razor-X> don't curse too much
[10:58] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, is a google bounty
[10:58] <Razor-X> it's too hard to bleep it out later
[10:58] <PurpleMotion> poser mobile says you out of prepaid minutes yo
[10:59] <niran> jasoncohen, the guy who's doing it seems to know his stuff pretty well, so it should end up in good shape for breezy
[10:59] <brent> hehe
[10:59] <Pegasos989> Hello again everybody. :=)
[10:59] <catfox> i don't suppose anyone can recommend the ideal way of getting a postgres database from one machine on to another? i can't seem to get it working
[10:59] <wahlau> btw, why can't i nmap my box?
[10:59] <PurpleMotion> jasoncohen: like a way to take a snapshot of the system together with apt or your install media to revert your system to a usable one without losing your settings
[11:00] <PurpleMotion> hrmm
[11:00] <PurpleMotion> would be nice
[11:00] <PurpleMotion> package rollback system
[11:00] <PurpleMotion> *uNF*
[11:00] <FaCeMaKeR_> I screwed the resolution enabling thing in the installation, so where can i chance it? I can have now only 1024x768 max
[11:00] <jasoncohen> niran, nice
[11:01] <PurpleMotion> im gonna go see if my dr pepper slurpee is done
[11:01] <PurpleMotion> brb
[11:01] <whitefang> PurpleMotion, there's no *esd* in any of the /etc/rc*.d folders
[11:01] <brent> PurpleMotion, so LMMS you have installed? I am on 56k so the install source might take a minut. Are there instructions because I am not familiar with Make.
[11:01] <jasoncohen> niran, currently i just use a simple cron job i wrote to backup every night to a NFS share- but incremental backups would be nice
[11:01] <wahlau> even webmin is not working
[11:01] <wahlau> sigh
[11:02] <brent> Hey it was MY idea, just kidding, a system rollback for Linux, just imagine it.
[11:02] <thoreauputic> !webmin
[11:02] <ubotu> To use webmin with ubuntu you have to add a webmin-root account with : /usr/share/webmin/changepass.pl /etc/webmin root "password", or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WebminWithoutARootAccount
[11:02] <mopatop> hey, if I want ssh-agent to be run when I log in, so that its envars are available to my whole X session, which file do I need to edit?
[11:02] <Tomcat_> Does anyone have a good "disable services" howto for whitefang?
[11:02] <PurpleMotion> brent: it's compiling
[11:02] <PurpleMotion> whitefang: esound, my bad.. replace esd with esound
[11:02] <PurpleMotion> or not
[11:02] <PurpleMotion> hrmm
[11:02] <PurpleMotion> maybe gnome loads it
[11:02] <mopatop> it does
[11:02] <mopatop> killall esd; esd
[11:03] <Pegasos989> Duringm y update came error report:
[11:03] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleBackupSolution - read the outstanding issues section...apparently they are thinking of a restore type functionality
[11:03] <Pegasos989> hmmwich i obiously forgot to copy
[11:03] <brent> someone needs to post a compiled deb with all resources so that everyone can easilt apt-get it
[11:03] <whitefang> mopatop, how do i stop gnome from loading it? i tried using the gnome multimedia systems selector, and that didn't work.
[11:03] <Pegasos989> nevwermind
[11:03] <Tomcat_> whitefang: You can install the "rcconf" package and then run "sudo rcconf"... you can disable esd there.
[11:03] <Trace> Does anyone know how to use partimage with "-B"?
[11:03] <whitefang> cool, thanks.
[11:03] <brent> thats what makes the debian based distros so awesome imho, even better than rpm i think
[11:04] <PurpleMotion> which would put it in /etc/X11/gdm/Xsession
[11:04] <thoreauputic> quick and dirty way to disble esd : chmod -x /usr/bin/esd
[11:04] <PurpleMotion> whitefang: /etc/X11/gdm/Xsession
[11:04] <PurpleMotion> it's int hat file
[11:04] <PurpleMotion> or it should be, ill check
[11:04] <mopatop> anyway, anyone know which file I can put "ssh-agent" in so it loads really early on after I log in to gdm?
[11:05] <PurpleMotion> nope, not there either
[11:05] <PurpleMotion> maybe there's an option int he gnome configuration to tell it to use something other than esd
[11:05] <whitefang> PurpleMotion, there is, the Multimedia ystems Selector
[11:05] <whitefang> its installed with the kubuntu base system
[11:05] <whitefang> and it doesn't work
[11:05] <Burgundavia> mopatop, yes
[11:05] <whitefang> i changed it from esd to alsa, and it won't work.
[11:05] <Burgundavia> mopatop, system-->prefs-->session
[11:06] <PurpleMotion> hrmm, it works for me
[11:06] <Burgundavia> mopatop, third tab, add a new application
[11:06] <brent> hmmm
[11:06] <brent> yawn
[11:06] <PurpleMotion> but i dont use esd, kubuntu autoswitched me to alsa... which i would have done anyways
[11:06] <Tomcat_> whitefang: If esd is still running in the background, alsa might not work.
[11:06] <whitefang> Tomcat_, i know, i rebooted the whole system
[11:06] <brent> PurpleMotion, how long does it take to compile?
[11:07] <mopatop> Burgundavia, ssh-agent sets envars, will they be available to all of gnome if I use that?
[11:07] <whitefang> and it didn't work, the Multimedia Systems Selector is still set to alsa, and esd still loaded
[11:07] <whitefang> seems like a bug
[11:07] <Burgundavia> mopatop, no idea
[11:07] <PurpleMotion> brent: btfoom... all i can say is stiiiiiill going
[11:07] <mopatop> okay
[11:07] <Tomcat_> whitefang: It depends on your soundcard... many soundcards won't play alsa sounds when esd is loaded.
[11:07] <Tomcat_> whitefang: Might be another problem though.
[11:08] <brent> well...its cool. its about 4:00 a.m. here and i gotta go. another alnighter, hehe
[11:08] <dmoyne> hello ! ; I have a question about encoding of file names in particular as I have exprienced problems lately with names written in French language ; I had to select "LANG=fr_FR.ISO-8859-15" and "G_FILENAME_ENCODING=ISO-8859-15" to get it working ; why UTF-8 was nor working ?
[11:08] <PurpleMotion> brent i hope it has a midi interface
[11:08] <brent> peace everyone, i hope to chat with you some other time ;)
[11:08] <whitefang> Tomcat_, i killed esd and its still not working.
[11:08] <Earered> Tomcat_, perhaps using this software will help whitefang: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42129
[11:09] <brent> well see next time i have access to high speed ill check it out., i need to learn more before i go compiling stuff. maybe soon someone will post the .deb for apt-get? i hope
[11:09] <brent> anyway, later folks
[11:09] <jino> how can i dial through modem?
[11:10] <PurpleMotion> if it has midi support, i may sponsor it myself
[11:10] <whitefang> Tomcat_, thanks.
[11:10] <Tomcat_> Earered: I suggested rcconf... it's the same, but console. :)
[11:10] <whitefang> neither of them are in the default repositories
[11:10] <Tomcat_> whitefang: In that case it's something else... if esd is not running, alsa should definitely work.
[11:10] <trygvebw> hi
[11:10] <trygvebw> i've got X running in Breezy, but there are some problems with xkb (i get an error message on GNOME start stating that it doesn't work correctly. anyone know how to fix that? is it possible at all?
[11:10] <brent> jino, how are you online now?
[11:10] <whitefang> Tomcat_, well it does, but the gnome sounds arn't working any more.
[11:10] <brent> jino, external modem is the only easy way to dialout
[11:10] <jino> is it?
[11:11] <jino> am online through a leased line
[11:11] <Earered> Tomcat_, I tend to prefer gui, I'm too lazy to read man pages :p
[11:11] <jino> broad band
[11:11] <Tomcat_> whitefang: That's normal... gnome sounds only work through esd afaik.
[11:11] <brent> any other driver controllerless modem is difficult to make work
[11:11] <dmoyne> trygvebw : I had the same problem Shift keys not active on keyboard ; I had to reinstall hoary !
[11:11] <whitefang> oh well.
[11:11] <whitefang> doesn't matter.
[11:11] <Tomcat_> Earered: rcconf has a GUI... but curses, not GTK :)
[11:11] <jino> how can i configure my internal modem?
[11:11] <whitefang> now i just wish i could make my guild wars screen FULLSCREEN again.
[11:11] <trygvebw> dmoyne: well, this is breezy
[11:11] <jino> brent, it does get detected
[11:12] <Tomcat_> whitefang: I can give you a howto that will make alsa and esd work at the same time if you want...
[11:12] <jino> but where is the dialler
[11:12] <dmoyne> yes yhis is what we talk about arent'we ! ; I think this problem is related to Xorg or XFree86
[11:12] <trygvebw> dmoyne: of course
[11:13] <brent> jino, kppp or gnome dialer
[11:13] <brent> wait just a sec ill find links for you.
[11:13] <dmoyne> it is a pitty because otherwise everything was apparently working but no way to accomodate such a keyboard layout !
[11:13] <PurpleMotion> http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/946
[11:13] <PurpleMotion> holy crap
[11:14] <PurpleMotion> that's the single largest command line i have ever seen
[11:14] <whitefang> Tomcat_, sure, what's the URL?
[11:14] <dmoyne> where can we find game for Ubuntu
[11:14] <jino> okie
[11:14] <brent> pry need to scrap internal miodem, i bought my US robotics external for eight dollars used. im sure you can find a cheap used serial modem. note: must be serial. ill give you links i found, stanby
[11:14] <PurpleMotion> best buy
[11:14] <PurpleMotion> circuit city
[11:14] <PurpleMotion> wherever great games are sold :)
[11:15] <Tomcat_> whitefang: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[11:15] <dmoyne> I am talking about free games that I had on other distro
[11:15] <PurpleMotion> look in synaptic under games
[11:15] <whitefang> anyone know how to change a game back to fullscreen after making it windowed? (im using cedega)
[11:15] <Tomcat_> whitefang: After doing that, you can use esd or alsa, whatever you want... both will work.
[11:15] <PurpleMotion> alt-enter?
[11:15] <whitefang> Tomcat_, cool, thanks.
[11:16] <dmoyne> synaptic shows what the repositeries offer then if you do not update repositries you do not see do you ?
[11:16] <jino> brent, how can i get my mpeg cds to work
[11:16] <PurpleMotion> thats right
[11:16] <jino> some kinda plugin issues
[11:17] <PurpleMotion> mpeg cd's? video or audio?
[11:17] <Tomcat_> Thanks PurpleMotion. :P
[11:17] <jino> can u help me sorting it?
[11:17] <dmoyne> then what about repositry for game ?
[11:17] <jino> video
[11:17] <PurpleMotion> dmoyne: look under games
[11:17] <PurpleMotion> jino: watch ubotu
[11:17] <PurpleMotion> !restricted
[11:17] <ubotu> from memory, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:17] <PurpleMotion> jino: after that, the package is w32codecs
[11:17] <duckie> use synaptic to download the plug ins for the videos
[11:18] <Burgundavia> dmoyne, search synaptic for games
[11:18] <jino> i have installed win32
[11:18] <wahlau> !nmap
[11:18] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, wahlau
[11:18] <Burgundavia> dmoyne, sections-->games
[11:18] <brent> jino, heres how i figured out how to set up dial up: here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//DialupModemHowto and here: http://www.mepis.org/node/1748
[11:18] <dmoyne> I go and look !
[11:18] <brent> hope that helps, it what i used
[11:18] <brent> gotta go now.
[11:18] <jino> thanks brent
[11:19] <brent> your welcome..its late and i need some sleep but that should get you going..
[11:19] <brent> once again room, later and gooooodnight, peace!
[11:19] <jino> okie buddy
[11:20] <jino>
[11:20] <catfox> hi all. i'm looking into creating a live cd. i want it to run zope and plone. does anyonoe have any pointers for me, thoughts on how hard it would be, etc?
[11:20] <dmoyne> agian when i select "game" category I see whet my repositries contain in "game" category but maybe there are other repositries focussed on game ?
[11:20] <jino> PurpleMotion, i hve installed win 32
[11:20] <PurpleMotion> has anyone written a python interface to image manipulation libraries? like something that would let me cut an image up according to draggable areas, apply basic filters to different selectable regions, and save them in a different format
[11:21] <dmoyne> I have to go thanks and bye !
[11:21] <PurpleMotion> brent
[11:21] <PurpleMotion> it's done
[11:21] <PurpleMotion> :D
[11:22] <PurpleMotion> man it comes with a LOT of samples
[11:22] <PurpleMotion> i mean a LOT
[11:23] <PurpleMotion> make install is taking over a miniute
[11:23] <PurpleMotion> minute
[11:23] <PurpleMotion> going on two
[11:24] <Tomcat_> PurpleMotion: There's ImageMagick... it's command-line based binaries, but will work from Python...
[11:24] <Tomcat_> PurpleMotion: And it might even have a direct Python interface, without using the cmdline.
[11:24] <Kev0r> anyone here knows how to hack gnome-volume-manager to run command when plugging in an usb stick?
[11:25] <PurpleMotion> tomcat so i could just drag lines over the image in python and use the position of the lines to determine the command to pass to imagemagick, right?
[11:26] <PurpleMotion> why don't I have midi? I have onboard Intel 82801BA-ICH2, should that not have midi support?
[11:27] <PurpleMotion> oh hey that means it automatically supports real midi devices
[11:27] <PurpleMotion> *uNF*
[11:27] <Tomcat_> PurpleMotion: Yeah, that should work... ImageMagick can do quite powerful stuff.
[11:28] <Tomcat_> PurpleMotion: http://www.imagemagick.org/script/examples.php
[11:28] <PurpleMotion> Tomcat_: any idea on software midi synth for my onboard intel? :D
[11:28] <Tomcat_> Yeah... install timidity...
[11:28] <Tomcat_> And...
[11:28] <PurpleMotion> does that create a midid device?
[11:29] <Tomcat_> No, it's just a software synthesizer for midi files.
[11:29] <Madpilot> good night/morning/whatever, everyone. I need some sleep.
[11:29] <PurpleMotion> what about mod/s3m? xmms plays those, right?
[11:30] <Tomcat_> And you need the freepats package for a soundfont that timidity can use. But you can use commercial soundfonts as well.
[11:30] <PurpleMotion> what are pmidi and freepats?
[11:30] <PurpleMotion> gotchya
[11:30] <Pegasos989> Does anyone know why other people (finnish, they use mIRC i think) see my scandinavic letters wrong?
[11:30] <PurpleMotion> how many soundfonts can be loaded simultaneously and how does the freepats font sound?
[11:31] <Tomcat_> Mh.. pmidi might also work, but probably won't sound as good as timidity with freepats.
[11:31] <Tomcat_> freepats is alright... not great.
[11:31] <PurpleMotion> oh well timidity suggested it
[11:31] <Tomcat_> For mod/s3m... there are usually plugins for the bigger audio players.
[11:31] <PurpleMotion> didnt purple motion port screamtracker to linux?
[11:31] <kestas> can someone please help me get sound working on my new laptop?
[11:32] <kestas> alsa is configured, no errors are given, volume is up, yet no sound
[11:32] <tigermb> anyone here uses openoffice.org2
[11:32] <tigermb> ?
[11:32] <Tomcat_> PurpleMotion: Maybe... there are quite a few good players for module files...
[11:32] <kestas> cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp no sound, aplay /dev/urandom no sound
[11:32] <PurpleMotion> hrmm
[11:32] <kestas> anyone have any ideas?
[11:32] <PurpleMotion> timidity onestop.mid
[11:33] <PurpleMotion> resulted in a lot of no instrument mapped messages
[11:33] <Tomcat_> PurpleMotion: Did you install and configure a sound font?
[11:33] <PurpleMotion> i installed freepats
[11:33] <PurpleMotion> there a front end to timidity?
[11:33] <Tomcat_> You need to configure it...
[11:33] <Tomcat_> No, just the cmdline.
[11:33] <Tomcat_> I used timidity to convert all my midis to OGG, then uninstalled timidity. :)
[11:34] <Tomcat_> Way easier than using these bad programs.
[11:34] <Tomcat_> PurpleMotion: You need to check /etc/timidity/<something>... there is a config file that has the freepats file commented out... you need to correctly configure that.
[11:35] <Tomcat_> PurpleMotion: You can also try to find a Creative soundfont file via Google and then use that one... will sound better. :)
[11:35] <topyli> PurpleMotion: there are several in timidity-interfaces-extra, inclueing a GTK interface
[11:35] <Tomcat_> Oi.
[11:36] <PurpleMotion> tyvm, topyli
[11:36] <PurpleMotion> and freepats.cfg was already configured and uncommented and still nothign was working
[11:37] <Tomcat_> PurpleMotion: I just installed it... yeah the freepats.cfg is in there, but the file doesn't exist.
[11:37] <PurpleMotion> what file?
[11:37] <topyli> PurpleMotion: apt-cache search answers questions like that :)
[11:37] <Tomcat_> PurpleMotion: freepats.cfg
[11:37] <PurpleMotion> mine's chock full of instrument mappings
[11:37] <wahlau> !flash
[11:37] <ubotu> flash is, like, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:38] <Tomcat_> Oh right... probably because I didn't install freepats.
[11:38] <Tomcat_> Wait a secon.
[11:39] <PurpleMotion> topyli: i installed timidity-interfaces-extra and all it gave me was a bunch of libraries and some docs.. no actual front ends
[11:40] <topyli> PurpleMotion: can apt-cache lie? disturbing :)
[11:40] <PurpleMotion> like it came with /usr/lib/timidity/interface_g.so which (a corresponding text file says) is a gtk+ interface
[11:41] <Earered> Pegasos989, it has probably something to do with character encoding (UTF-8 vs windows unicode and the client recognizing some but not all)
[11:41] <PurpleMotion> htf do i run a library?
[11:41] <Pegasos989> k
[11:41] <slowbro> how do i run programs in terminal? i want to test aircrack and write aircrack.c (options) but it says theres no such command
[11:41] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: try eg timidity -ig for a gtk+ frontend (I'm badly lagged here BTW)
[11:41] <Pegasos989> Can I change it to windows unicode or something?
[11:41] <PurpleMotion> tyvm
[11:41] <topyli> PurpleMotion: maybe with timidity --some-interface-option? i honestly have no idea
[11:41] <PurpleMotion> that was the missing link
[11:42] <Tomcat_> PurpleMotion: It works for me when I install timidity and freepats...
[11:42] <Tomcat_> PurpleMotion: Try some different midi files... some midi files might only use instruments that aren't available in freepats... you'll need a commercial sound font then.
[11:43] <topyli> slowbro: aircrack.c sounds like source. you need object code
[11:43] <PurpleMotion> it works :)
[11:44] <slowbro> topyli, maybe i should just find some guide :)
[11:44] <PurpleMotion> why would it be SUPER choppy?
[11:44] <bartekp> hi
[11:44] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: timidity -ia for a retro athena widgets front end :)
[11:45] <PurpleMotion> any ways to setup some kind of a pseudo device to use this as an actual midi device?
[11:45] <topyli> slowbro: aircrack looks like an evil package
[11:45] <guillem> How do I specify the order of filesystem check at "auto" filesystem at /etc/fstab? /etc/filesystems does not exist
[11:46] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: you can run timidity as a server - see the man (I use it that way with rosegarden4)
[11:46] <snowblink> what's the best way to automate security updates for ubuntu servers?
[11:46] <PurpleMotion> thoreauputic: nice
[11:46] <Adrenline> anyone know how to change the ubuntu logo on the xscreensaver password prompt?
[11:46] <PurpleMotion> it'll work with lmms that way as well
[11:47] <guillem> OK, placing "vfat,auto" at filesystem type at /etc/fstab -
[11:47] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: I tried softsynth or whatever it's called - but it's a resource hog on my system
[11:47] <PurpleMotion> but timidity works well?
[11:48] <PurpleMotion> I'm gonna get a keyboard in two weeks... got my eye on a real nice yamaha
[11:48] <PurpleMotion> so software synth will be out the window at that point
[11:48] <PurpleMotion> but until then it would be great to have something to play with
[11:48] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: fairly well - with freepats - the main issue is a lvk of fonts for some instruments, as you discovered
[11:48] <thoreauputic> * s/lvk/lack
[11:49] <slowbro> topyli, yes... im tired of just using my own adsl, luckily ive got neighbours
[11:49] <PurpleMotion> yeah im just going to install a creative soundfont.. but how do you do that? heh
[11:49] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: beware windows-only fonts
[11:49] <spanglesontoast> how do I know my nivdia card will be compatible with ubuntu and transgaming?
[11:49] <topyli> slowbro: bandwidth hoarder
[11:50] <PurpleMotion> i wouldnt call creative fonts windows only
[11:50] <PurpleMotion> spanglesontoast: because it's an nvidia card
[11:50] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: I didn't say that :) It was merely a warning against other fonts
[11:50] <Adrenline> anyone know how to change the ubuntu logo on the xscreensaver password prompt?
[11:50] <spanglesontoast> what so all nvidia cards are supported?
[11:51] <PurpleMotion> the vast majority of them
[11:51] <PurpleMotion> thoreauputic: so how do i install a new font ive found and downloaded?
[11:52] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: To be honest I forget how I did it ;) There are some howtos on the wiki, and I googled a lot
[11:52] <spanglesontoast> is there a listing of where I can find cap etc
[11:52] <PurpleMotion> yeah im bunghole deep in google on it right now
[11:52] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: When you have the font youpoint the timidity config at your new font
[11:53] <slowbro> topyli, in sweden its legal
[11:53] <PurpleMotion> doesnt there have to be a .cfg file for the font, rhough?
[11:53] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: /etc/timidity/timidity.cfg
[11:53] <tomtej> I have a problem with installing Ubuntu, I cant boot from the cd!! Ive downloaded three different cds but no one will boot. It just sais Boot from cd: boot from cd: and then nothing :(
[11:53] <Heijmen> tomtej: did you try the live-cd, did that boot?
[11:53] <tomtej> nope
[11:53] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: e.g. a line like soundfont /home/peter/soundfont/PC51f.sf2
[11:54] <PurpleMotion> thoreauputic: what i mean to say is, if you look in that file, (or rather in the freefont config file) there is an instrument map
[11:54] <topyli> slowbro: i know, i'm from your eastern colony finland :)
[11:54] <shawarma> Hi! If I want to set an environment variable that should be set globally (not just logins, but system services as well), where would I set them? I could of course set them in /etc/default/rcS, but that doesn't really feel right: :-)
[11:54] <tomtej> it didnt boot
[11:54] <slowbro> topyli, hehe nice :)
[11:54] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: as far as I could work out the file you are talking about maps the freepats stuff - I may be wrong
[11:55] <slowbro> topyli, im very new to this linux thing so it nay take a while before i can crack any wep
[11:56] <Gorgonzola> wow, just installed Ubuntu and i have to say it is much easier than any other distro i've tried... in the past i've always had niggling little problems getting various things to work
[11:57] <shawarma> Does anyone know where the canonical place to put system wide environment variables is?
[11:57] <topyli> slowbro: good. :-) i don't think it's a very nice thing to do
[11:57] <DevGet> I have problems with the sound in crossover office, I don't hear any sound when I play music in itunes, why?
[11:58] <PIANIST> Hy there!
[11:58] <PIANIST> got a question: is there any runlevel configurator in ubuntu? or to download=
[11:58] <PIANIST> ?
[11:59] <slowbro> topyli, hehe maybe not
[11:59] <PurpleMotion> okay, lmms is VERY choppy on playback.. and so in timidity for the first so many seconds of each track
[11:59] <PurpleMotion> any ideas why? this is a relatively nice system
[12:00] <slowbro> topyli, but the fun of doing it will overcome it
[12:01] <topyli> bah. i'd rather build something :)
[12:01] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: there are various command line options for timidity that might help you - you can change buffering and other stuff (the timidity man page is actually quite useful)
[12:01] <PurpleMotion> yeah ill check it
[12:01] <PurpleMotion> but im having the issue like i said in lmms as well
[12:01] <tomtej> doesnt somebody know how to fix the booting problem?
[12:02] <tigermb> is there some one using openoffice.org2 with gnome integration? my special characters (~'"^) diont work
[12:02] <PurpleMotion> the booting problem
[12:02] <PurpleMotion> informative
[12:02] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: jackd might help as well - but configuring it seems to be something of a black art
[12:03] <tomtej> I have a problem with installing Ubuntu, I cant boot from the cd!! Ive downloaded three different cds but no one will boot. It just sais Boot from cd: boot from cd: and then nothing :(
[12:03] <tomtej> that one
[12:03] <tomtej> ;)
[12:03] <PurpleMotion> wtf is jackd?
[12:03] <PIANIST> Hey people out there! is there any runlevel config tool?
[12:04] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: like esd or artsd - but low latency
[12:04] <PurpleMotion> what are the chances apt-get install jackd is going to just work? (percentages are fine)
[12:05] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: heh - I'd say 1% ;)
[12:06] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: you need to do some serious manning and googling to get jackd working - I only use it from cli when I need it for rosegarden
[12:06] <PurpleMotion> okay, jackd is installed and running.. now how do i connect timidity to it?
[12:07] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: jackd will complain if esd is running
[12:07] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: wise man
[12:07] <Code_Dark> does `iwlist scan` create a new wifi scan for APs, or does it simply print out what the last scan was?
[12:08] <Bubbling_Zombie> it creates a new one iirc
[12:09] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: my magic incantation for timidity (not with jackd though)>> timidity -iA -B2,8 -s 44100
[12:09] <emanuel> hi
[12:11] <tomtej> Man! doesnt anyone know or at least read my question?
[12:12] <kemik> tomtej: what?
[12:12] <deFrysk> tomtej, copied iso or burned iso to cd ?
[12:12] <FaCeMaKeR_> I screwed the resolution enabling thing in the installation, so where can i chance it? I can have now only 1024x768 max
[12:13] <deFrysk> FaCeMaKeR_, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:13] <Heijmen> tomtej: any other live-cd's that booted for you?
[12:13] <tomtej> no
[12:13] <tomtej> havent tried live cds for other dists
[12:14] <NightLord> I need help with a mouse
[12:14] <Oniano|iBook> gah, got some dist-upgrade from debian to ubuntu woes
[12:14] <Oniano|iBook> http://pastebin.arslinux.com/2200
[12:15] <Oniano|iBook> how do you go about fixing things like that?
[12:15] <NightLord> anyone know why my double click doesn't work, and why my left click doesn't work properly?
[12:15] <tomtej> deFrysk yes.. its when i boot the cd it doesnt respond
[12:15] <tomtej> kemik this is the problem I have a problem with installing Ubuntu, I cant boot from the cd!! Ive downloaded three different cds but no one will boot. It just sais Boot from cd: boot from cd: and then nothing :(
[12:15] <snowblink> NightLord, have you set it to left handed?
[12:16] <kemik> tomtej: that sounds really weird.. you burn the image as an image and not a datafile?
[12:18] <tomtej> kemik, well when i think of it, i burnt it with windows own shitty burning app, not with nero, i guess thats the problem.. thanks
[12:19] <NightLord> no
[12:19] <NightLord> snowblink i did not
[12:19] <NightLord> because normal single clicking works
[12:21] <PurpleMotion> okay, i dont know what they mean and the manpage isnt helping.. when i try to start timidity as a midi server, i get: sage: timidity -ir control-port [data-port]
[12:21] <PurpleMotion> what should i put?
[12:22] <elsha> hi guys, im just trying to boot into ubuntu, but it's not liking the GUI. I previously had a nvidia video card, which had no problems and was working fine. I've since changed it to an ATI radeon 9600 card. I've followed the instructions on the wiki for this video card, but i'm coming up with (EE) No devices detected Fatal server error: no screens found. Any ideas/suggestions?
[12:23] <Mejobloggs> maybe stupid question, but how do I use dialup on ubuntu?
[12:24] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: try for example : timidity -iA -B2,8 -s 44100 &
[12:24] <kemik> !dialup
[12:24] <ubotu> kemik: Wish i knew
[12:24] <PurpleMotion> A is not working
[12:24] <PurpleMotion> says /dev/snd/seq is non existant
[12:24] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: ah, you might need to modprobe some modules
[12:25] <PurpleMotion> such as?
[12:25] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: I had to load some modules - hang on and I'll look in /etc/modules
[12:25] <PurpleMotion> alrighty
[12:26] <guillem> Mejobloggs, perhaps through network interfaces GUI, at system menu->admin->network...
[12:26] <guillem> Mejobloggs, generating a network connection for your modem device...
[12:26] <thoreauputic> snd-seq-device snd-seq-midi snd-seq-midi-event snd-seq ( inthat order on separate lines, of course )
[12:26] <Mejobloggs> ok, will have a look, thanks
[12:27] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: ^^^
[12:27] <traveller> is there a howto somewhere regarding building deb packages in ubuntu?
[12:28] <elsha> hi guys, im just trying to boot into ubuntu, but it's not liking the GUI. I previously had a nvidia video card, which had no problems and was working fine. I've since changed it to an ATI radeon 9600 card. I've followed the instructions on the wiki for this video card, but i'm coming up with (EE) No devices detected Fatal server error: no screens found. Any ideas/suggestions?
[12:29] <acid2> hi ho!
[12:29] <hmrocha> hi
[12:29] <acid2> Im trying to convert a lot of files from dos to unix format - with fromdos
[12:29] <acid2> How can I do that over all files that end in .cs?
[12:29] <guillem> elsha, make sure the "driver" is correct at your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:29] <acid2> I tried... ls | grep .cs | fromdos - but that didnt work
[12:29] <shawarma> acid2: You're close!
[12:30] <acid2> ooo, thats good :D
[12:30] <shawarma> acid2: ls *.cs | xargs fromdos
[12:30] <elsha> guillem: hmm ok
[12:30] <acid2> ahhh thanks shawarma !
[12:30] <mjr> for a in *.cs ; do fromdos "$a"; done
[12:30] <mjr> or that
[12:30] <acid2> What about recursing directories?
[12:30] <shawarma> acid2: find . -name '*.cs' -print0 | xargs -0 fromdos
[12:30] <PurpleMotion> thoreauputic: okay, now how do i make those do that every time i boot up?
[12:30] <acid2> shawarma: :o
[12:30] <acid2> ta :)
[12:30] <loorni> I have installed SSH server so how do i run it?
[12:31] <shawarma> acid2: xargs reads stuff from stdin and turns it into arguments.
[12:31] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: put them in /etc/modules one on each line
[12:31] <acid2> ah, cool :)
[12:31] <guillem> elsha, under Section "Device", Driver "nvidia" should be changed to Driver "ati" or something like that. Check the web pages you looked up.
[12:31] <elsha> thanks
[12:31] <bimberi> loorni: it probably is (if you installed from repositories)
[12:32] <Mejobloggs> grr, my ubuntu locks up all the time
[12:32] <shawarma> acid2: What your command did was just pass the filenames directly to fromdos. It then changed the filenames (instead of the contents of the files) from dos to unix format.
[12:32] <acid2> ahhhh
[12:32] <bimberi> loorni: ps aux | grep sshd (look for a line with /usr/sbin/sshd in it)
[12:32] <kemik> loorni: /etc/init.d/sshd start
[12:32] <PurpleMotion> now i can tell alsa to use it, right
[12:32] <acid2> so pipe connects the actually stdin/out of 2 programs ?
[12:32] <bimberi> loorni: otherwise ... see kemik :)
[12:32] <shawarma> acid2: Exactly.
[12:32] <shawarma> acid2: You catch on quick.
[12:32] <acid2> ah, thats where I was goign wrong then ^_^
[12:33] <acid2> thanks for the help :)
[12:33] <shawarma> acid2: Any time.
[12:33] <Oniano|iBook> is there a way to get apt to be more verbose about it's errors
[12:33] <thoreauputic> kemik, actually it is just "ssh" not sshd (in /etc/init.d/ )
[12:33] <hmrocha> acid2, welcome to the one-liner geek world :D
[12:33] <loorni> kemik, "No such file or directory"
[12:33] <acid2> hmrocha: :P
[12:33] <earthdog> Is there a way to save your home dir and config to a usb key in ubutu live?
[12:33] <thoreauputic> loorni: see above
[12:33] <kemik> loorni: see thoreauputic
[12:33] <shawarma> Oniano|iBook: I'm not sure.. What the error?
[12:33] <kemik> thoreauputic: my bad :)
[12:34] <bimberi> loorni: see kemik seeing thoreauputic
[12:34] <kemik> thoreauputic: i usually tab-complete after 2 letters so i never make mistakes myself ;)
[12:34] <thoreauputic> kemik: easy to do - I use tab complete ;)
[12:34] <thoreauputic> right
[12:34] <thoreauputic> loorni: see bimberi seeing kemik seeing thoreauputic ;-)
[12:34] <loorni> "Could not load host key ....blablabla"
[12:35] <kemik> argh. gettting SSL to work in gftp is a mess
[12:35] <earthdog> Is there a way to save your home dir and config to a usb key in ubuntu live?
[12:35] <bimberi> thoreauputic: this is going on a bit like "aptitude -v moo" :)
[12:36] <thoreauputic> bimberi: hahah - indeed :D
[12:38] <thoreauputic> blech - java is an unbelievable resource hog :(
[12:38] <Tomcat_> Yeah.
[12:39] <thoreauputic> 50% cpu to run a simple nuber sort game ? I just wanted to test my java install, but I really don't think I'll be using it...
[12:39] <thoreauputic> *number
[12:40] <Tomcat_> thoreauputic: Only on startup... if a program is running it doesn't need as much CPU.
[12:40] <kemik> still, java is a bit slow
[12:40] <bimberi> loorni: sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start
[12:40] <Tomcat_> thoreauputic: I got a huge IRC bot running on a K6 200... it uses quite some memory, but only about 10% CPU... on that machine. :)
[12:40] <davro> how could i change the welcome message when you remotely ssh into a machine.
[12:40] <thoreauputic> Tomcat_: this was just sitting there doing nothing at 50%
[12:40] <Tomcat_> kemik: Yeah.
[12:40] <kemik> but a dream to code in compared with alot of other languages ;)
[12:41] <loorni> bimberi, yes i did that but now it says "Could not load host key /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key"
[12:41] <Tomcat_> thoreauputic: Maybe badly written... I use many Java programs and none are that way. :)
[12:41] <Tomcat_> kemik: full ack :D
[12:41] <Tomcat_> kemik: It'll be a slap in the fact when I'll have to go to C and C++ the next semester :I
[12:41] <bimberi> loorni: oh, ok - i thought you might have left off the sudo
[12:41] <Tomcat_> kemik: *face
[12:41] <thoreauputic> Tomcat_: I see - this was a java game in galeon browser
[12:41] <bimberi> davro: /etc/motd
[12:41] <loorni> bimberi, damn.
[12:42] <Tomcat_> thoreauputic: Applets are often badly coded... and they need much resources anyway.
[12:42] <ColonelKernel> applets rule
[12:42] <davro> bimberi, cheers!
[12:42] <bimberi> davro: np :)
[12:42] <Adrenline> anyone know how to change the ubuntu logo on the xscreensaver password prompt?
[12:43] <thoreauputic> Tomcat_: OK - I'll take your word for it - I have little use for these online java thingies anyway so it doesn't really bother me
[12:43] <PurpleMotion> ouch
[12:43] <PurpleMotion> i broked something :D
[12:43] <Frafra> hi all
[12:43] <Frafra> what i must add in /etc/apt/sources.list for get kde 3.4.2?
[12:43] <ColonelKernel> what patch do i need to apply to a vanilla kernel to make it compatible with ubuntu
[12:43] <bimberi> loorni: could it be already running - ps aux | grep sshd (look for /usr/sbin/sshd)
[12:43] <bimberi> ?
[12:43] <thoreauputic> Frafra: try asking in #kubuntu
[12:44] <Frafra> thoreauputic: thx
[12:44] <hayden> has anyone installed cisco vpnclient or know how to get cisco vpnclient profiles to work with another program e.g vpnc?
[12:44] <loorni> bimberi, yes it is running no
[12:44] <loorni> w
[12:45] <Adrenline> anyone?
[12:46] <thoreauputic> Adrenline: I don't know - but you can see which files the xscreensaver package installed with dpkg -L xscreensaver
[12:46] <liran_> i know that there's a replication of window's address book for linux though im not finding it in the menus. anyone know what im talking about?
[12:47] <thoreauputic> Adrenline: I would guess the backgound and logo are .png s or something like that
[12:47] <Adrenline> thoreauputic, thats what I was thinking, just wondering if anyone knew off the top of their heads :)
[12:47] <thoreauputic> Adrenline: /usr/share/xscreensaver/screensaver-locking.png perhaps?
[12:48] <thoreauputic> ah, no that isn't it
[12:48] <Adrenline> heh
[12:49] <LinuxDolt> well. i've just gotten done installing ubuntu, and so far, the defaults annoy me :) (that's normal though, most distributions defaults annoy me)
[12:50] <loorni> When i try to connect it says "Server unexpectdly closed network connection" where is the problem?
[12:50] <LinuxDolt> how do i get my sound to work? i think it's trying to use the wrong device
[12:50] <ColonelKernel> LinuxDolt, what sound card?
[12:51] <LinuxDolt> i have two audio devices. onboard ALC'97 and an ancient OEM SB Live!
[12:51] <LinuxDolt> i'm using the SB Live!
[12:51] <jtgameover> have there been problems with linux (ubuntu) and trying to get dual monitors to work?
[12:51] <PurpleMotion> [root@psilocybin(init.d)] #: /etc/init.d/midi restart
[12:51] <PurpleMotion> Date: Thu Aug 04 Time: 06:51:06
[12:51] <PurpleMotion> [root@psilocybin(init.d)] #: TiMidity starting in ALSA server mode
[12:51] <PurpleMotion> Opening sequencer port: 128:0 128:1 128:2 128:3
[12:51] <PurpleMotion> *uNF*
[12:51] <LinuxDolt> but i think that ubuntu is trying to use the onboard
[12:51] <ColonelKernel> LinuxDolt, use alsamixer, go over to the " Analog/Digital Output Jack" and hit m
[12:52] <craig> Hey all iam trying to configure xine i have the xine-lib-1.1.0 and xine-ui-0.99.4 in my home directory i just need 2 know how 2 configure them if someone can help that would be great..
[12:52] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: that looks right
[12:52] <craig> Thanks in advance
[12:52] <jtgameover> I am thinking about buying a second monitor to go with my laptop, but i want to make sure i'd actually be able to use it in linux :-)
[12:52] <jtgameover> my video card is a geforce 4 4200 Mobile Go, and i'm pretty sure it supports dual monitors
[12:52] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: you just need to point your app at the right port
[12:53] <PurpleMotion> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 2005-08-04 06:52 /etc/rc2.d/S99midi -> ../init.d/midi
[12:53] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: 128:0 most likely
[12:53] <Whistler> what is the difrence between point2play and cedega?
[12:53] <PurpleMotion> thoreauputic: yeah i got it working :D
[12:53] <liran_> it looks like evolution cant import (comma seperated version address book files) .csv any ideas for another program?
[12:53] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: :)
[12:53] <ColonelKernel> Whistler, point2play is all gui and cedega is command line
[12:53] <Whistler> oh
[12:53] <LinuxDolt> ergh...
[12:53] <PurpleMotion> thoreauputic: you have also proven to be a most useful mammal this morning.. tyvm
[12:54] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: you're welcome - actually I'm more of a dinosaur, but whatever *grin*
[12:55] <craig> Thanks in advanceget xine up and running but iam not sure wat iam doing wrong
[12:55] <thoreauputic> !multimedia
[12:55] <ubotu> I guess multimedia is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[12:56] <poningru> craig what exactly is the problem?
[12:57] <craig> all iam trying to configure xine i have the xine-lib-1.1.0 and xine-ui-0.99.4 in my home directory i just need 2 know how 2 configure them if someone can help that would be great..
[12:58] <craig> iam not sure wat iam doing wrong i have tryed some how to's but it still dont seem to work
[12:58] <poningru> yeah sorry dude /me is not so big on sound
[12:59] <craig> i think iam just to noobish
[12:59] <thoreauputic> craig: any particular reason you are using 0.99.4 ? 0.99.3 is available in the repos...
[12:59] <poningru> welcome to my world
[12:59] <topyli> craig: how about 'sudo apt-get install xine-ui'
[01:00] <craig> yer i tryed installing that why but i couldnt get them 2 work
[01:00] <hayden> what do i need to play ogg and matroska files?
[01:00] <topyli> craig: what did you do? how did it fail?
[01:00] <poningru> hayden: nothing for the ogg files
[01:00] <hayden> kj
[01:00] <PurpleMotion> wow
[01:00] <PurpleMotion> amarok is nice
[01:00] <poningru> just use totem
[01:00] <craig> if i install that wat command do i need 2 get them to run?
[01:01] <plastic> my friend have Ati radeon 9600XT and want to install them on ubuntu... maby anyone have some link to guide or how-to?
[01:01] <poningru> ubotu: tell hayden about multimedia
[01:01] <thoreauputic> craig: just " xine"
[01:01] <topyli> craig: i guess xine will just show up in the menu
[01:01] <craig> yer i tho that would be the case
[01:01] <thoreauputic> yeah, xine does have a menu entry
[01:01] <Seveas> plastic: You can read all about binary-only driver issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:02] <craig> but when i install them through the repos it didnt
[01:02] <topyli> craig: perhaps the menu didn't immediately update
[01:02] <wtf_is_going_on> smt is wrong
[01:02] <wtf_is_going_on> my ubuntu just hanged up
[01:02] <wtf_is_going_on> for the first time
[01:02] <craig> so if i install that way all i type is sudo xine?
[01:02] <thoreauputic> craig: sometimes you need to refresh the gnome-panel ( killall gnome-panel)
[01:03] <thoreauputic> craig: no sudo
[01:03] <topyli> craig: just xine
[01:03] <Seveas> pkill -1 gnome-panel
[01:03] <craig> k
[01:03] <wtf_is_going_on> suddenly gnome quit
[01:03] <thoreauputic> craig: sudo would run it as root - pointless and a security risk
[01:03] <craig> i will try that and let ya know wat happens thanks for all ya help
[01:03] <wtf_is_going_on> i rebooted pc
[01:03] <topyli> craig: if a menu item doesn't appear, it will still be lots easier to create a menu entry than building xine from source
[01:03] <Seveas> wtf_is_going_on, what did you do just before that happened?
[01:04] <wtf_is_going_on> i were just downloading files
[01:04] <wtf_is_going_on> just like now
[01:04] <wtf_is_going_on> nothing else
[01:04] <wtf_is_going_on> strange
[01:04] <jtgameover> craig, easiest way to edit your menu is to download smeg from the repos
[01:04] <jtgameover> smeg is a menu editor for gnome
[01:04] <jtgameover> braind-dead easy
[01:04] <topyli> craig: anyway, i wouldn't use xine-ui. totem has a nicer ui and it can use xine as the backend
[01:04] <craig> ok
[01:05] <thoreauputic> craig: to get the totem back-end install totem-xine
[01:05] <craig> i will install xine from the repos and see if i kill the gome panel if it updates
[01:05] <hayden> poningru, both the video and audio of a .ogm file play in vlc but only the audio in totem
[01:05] <wtf_is_going_on> my nick hang up
[01:06] <wtf_is_going_on> nick Whistler is still up
[01:06] <wtf_is_going_on> but i rebooted system
[01:06] <wtf_is_going_on> smt wrong
[01:06] <topyli> it happens
[01:06] <craig> one other question has anyone here got counter strike source running on ubuntu?
[01:06] <wtf_is_going_on> craig i thing cedega can run it
[01:06] <thoreauputic> hayden: vlc handles some formats better, xine or totem handles others better (I find)
[01:06] <wtf_is_going_on> k
[01:06] <poningru> hayden: try installing totem-xine
[01:07] <Seveas> wtf_is_going_on, that sometimes happens when someone disconnects without notifying the server
[01:07] <poningru> because like thoreauputic said
[01:07] <Seveas> the nick will be killed automagically
[01:07] <craig> ok bbs thanks everyone for all ya help
[01:07] <Oniano|iBook> right...ubuntu-desktop apt-get installin
[01:07] <wtf_is_going_on> k
[01:07] <wtf_is_going_on> =]
[01:07] <Seveas> wtf_is_going_on, did you register the nickname Whistler ?
[01:08] <hubsi> hallo, bin wieder da
[01:08] <Seveas> hubsi, #ubuntu ist ein englisches kanal
[01:09] <wtf_is_going_on> yep
[01:09] <Seveas> #ubuntu-de ist deutschsprachig
[01:09] <wtf_is_going_on> what should i do?
[01:09] <wtf_is_going_on> is is up too long
[01:10] <wtf_is_going_on> usualy it takes min or two
[01:10] <Seveas> wtf_is_going_on, if you registered the nick Whistler you can kill it
[01:10] <Seveas> /msg nickserv ghost Whistler your_password
[01:10] <Seveas> :)
[01:10] <wtf_is_going_on> thx
[01:10] <wtf_is_going_on> :)
[01:10] <craig> ok installed xine through repos should i restart comp now?
[01:10] <Seveas> craig, no
[01:10] <Seveas> is it in the menu?
[01:11] <apokryphos> craig: the only time you ever need to really restart is with a full-upgrade or a kernel upgrade
[01:11] <craig> no
[01:11] <topyli> craig: kill the panel
[01:11] <craig> ok
[01:11] <Seveas> craig: pkill -1 gnome-panel
[01:11] <craig> k
[01:11] <PurpleMotion> bed now
[01:11] <bimberi> Ah - so that's how you do that (force a Nick Collision) - thanks Seveas :)
[01:12] <craig> i did that
[01:12] <topyli> craig: and?
[01:12] <Seveas> bimberi, http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
[01:12] <craig> nnothink
[01:13] <Seveas> hmm
[01:13] <topyli> craig: and you installed xine-ui?
[01:13] <craig> let me just check i will tell ya wat i installed
[01:13] <bimberi> Seveas: Cheers - I always meant to find out - just hadn't got around to it. :)
[01:15] <craig> libxine1 and xinetd is wat i installed
[01:15] <Whistler> emm
[01:15] <topyli> craig: xinetd has nothing to do with xine. remove it and install xine-ui
[01:15] <[1] Drew> i am now quite positive that ubuntu is trying to use my onboard sound rather than my SB Live! how do i correct this?
[01:15] <Whistler> i have problem
[01:15] <craig> then there was libxine -dev but i didnt install that
[01:15] <Whistler> i wanna cd to dir named world of warcraft
[01:16] <Whistler> but ubuntu tries to cd to world
[01:16] <Whistler> only
[01:16] <Whistler> i think its spaces
[01:16] <topyli> Whistler: it's the space
[01:16] <Whistler> so any suggestions?
[01:16] <zever> Whistler, cd "world of warcraft"
[01:16] <topyli> Whistler: escape the spaces with \
[01:16] <topyli> Whistler: or quotes like zever said
[01:17] <topyli> Whistler: or just type world and hit TAB
[01:17] <topyli> :)
[01:17] <craig> there the only packages that come up when i do a search for xine
[01:17] <LinuxDolt> i am now quite positive that ubuntu is trying to use my onboard sound rather than my SB Live! how do i correct this?
[01:17] <Whistler> thx
[01:17] <Whistler> =]
[01:17] <craig> i cant find xine-ui
[01:18] <topyli> craig: first, remove xinetd. then worry about xine-ui
[01:18] <craig> done that
[01:18] <LinuxDolt> err...
[01:18] <LinuxDolt> xinetd and xine have nothing to do with each other...
[01:19] <topyli> craig: xine-ui is in the universe repository. you probably haven't enabled it
[01:19] <topyli> !universe
[01:19] <ubotu> ask me about !repositories
[01:19] <topyli> !repositories
[01:19] <ubotu> somebody said repositories was at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:19] <topyli> craig: ^
[01:20] <craig> thanks
[01:22] <hayden> thoreauputic, have u any experience with cisco vpnclient or vpnc?
[01:28] <bimberi> thoreauputic_: you've registered your normal nick? If so try "/msg nickserv ghost thoreauputic <your_password>"
[01:28] <thoreauputic_> bimberi: Thanks - I do know about that :)
[01:29] <thoreauputic_> bimberi: just hadn't done it yet - looking elsewhere when I connected
[01:29] <topyli> bimberi: a nick like nick_ is not always a ghost
[01:29] <bimberi> thoreauputic: k - sry - i'm just revelling in some newly acquired knowlege
[01:29] <bimberi> topyli: yes - but the connection address is the same
[01:29] <thoreauputic_> bimberi: that's perfectly OK - and I know the feeling :)
[01:30] <topyli> bimberi: ah, then sure
[01:30] <thoreauputic_> there you go !
[01:30] <selinium> bimberi: it was a new one on me! Just 'killed' the login that i left on in the office! cool!
[01:30] <bimberi> phew - that's better
[01:31] <bimberi> selinium: great! glad to know all tha typing wasn't wasted!
[01:31] <topyli> heh. the Grand Freenode NIck Cleanup Day
[01:31] <bimberi> :)
[01:31] <selinium> 8D
[01:31] <bimberi> nicksquashing
[01:32] <topyli> affectionally known as GFNCD
[01:32] <selinium> It was a little disturbing to see I had been killed. Reports of my demise have been much exagerated!
[01:33] <ghostwhowalks> :)
[01:33] <selinium> ROFL
[01:33] <bimberi> :)
[01:33] <topyli> damn. what a failure
[01:34] <iSeeDeadPeople> :)
[01:34] <topyli> i can't evan use the /nick command it seems :)
[01:35] <Whistler> whats the newest stable kernel?
[01:35] <hayden> thoreauputic, have u any experience with cisco vpnclient or vpnc?
[01:35] <topyli> 2.4.18 ;-)
[01:35] <apokryphos> !info linux-386
[01:35] <ubotu> linux-386: (Complete Linux kernel on 386.), section restricted/base, is optional. Version: 2.6.10-7 (hoary), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 48 kB
[01:35] <thoreauputic> hayden: none whatsoever, sorry
[01:35] <Whistler> OS: Linux 2.6.10-5-k7 | CPU: AMD Duron(tm) Processor | Memory: (Used/Total) 172MB/250MB | Resolution: 1024x768 | Uptime: 3hrs | eth0: IN: 31.9 Mb OUT: 1.1Mb
[01:35] <Whistler> is mine out of date?
[01:36] <Simonth> How do I install Skype? It says it is a i386 package and Iam running kubuntu amd64
[01:36] <topyli> Whistler: so it seems
[01:36] <selinium> !info linux-k7
[01:36] <ubotu> linux-k7: (Complete Linux kernel on AMD K7.), section restricted/base, is optional. Version: 2.6.10-7 (hoary), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 48 kB
[01:36] <thoreauputic> Whistler: no, that's an up to date Ubuntu kernel
[01:36] <hayden> thoreauputic, ok thanks neway
[01:36] <topyli> Simonth: in that case, you don't
[01:36] <Simonth> topyli, so I cant use Skype?
[01:36] <Simonth> topyli, thats sucks..
[01:37] <thoreauputic> Whistler: ah, OK there's a security update it seems
[01:37] <topyli> Simonth: find a 64 bit skype or install it into a 32 bit chroot jail
[01:37] <Simonth> topyli, I dont think there are a 64 bit skype.. How do I install it into a 32bit chroot jail?
[01:38] <Whistler> update manager tells me that my sys is up to date
[01:38] <thoreauputic> Whistler: do you have the security updates enabled?
[01:39] <Whistler> i dont know
[01:39] <Whistler> where do i see?
[01:39] <Simonth> topyli, on skype's homepage "Static binary tar.bz2 with Qt 3.2 compiled in (9.1 MB)"..Can I use that?
[01:39] <nq> Can I talk about ubuntu SHIPIT here?
[01:39] <apokryphos> nq: sure
[01:39] <nq> I think we should reject the apply from China
[01:39] <thoreauputic> Whistler: quick way is to see if they are commented with a # in /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:40] <topyli> Simonth: probably not
[01:40] <Whistler> thoreauputic what lines i should look at?
[01:40] <nq> I think we should reject the ubuntu SHIPIT apply from China
[01:40] <selinium> nq: The application from CHina?
[01:40] <Simonth> topyli, Okay..so I cant use Skype on Linux? A little problem then...
[01:41] <topyli> Simonth: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575 (32bit chroot jail howto)
[01:41] <Whistler> here`s my sources list http://pastebin.com/329120
[01:41] <Simonth> topyli, Okay..I give it a look..
[01:41] <nq> I mean lots of chinese apply for ubuntu CD,
[01:41] <thoreauputic> Whistler: ones like this >>
[01:41] <thoreauputic> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[01:41] <nq> but actually they don't need that
[01:41] <Whistler> they are uncommented
[01:41] <Seveas> nq..?
[01:41] <topyli> Simonth: if you can get the chroot working, you'll want to install firefox with flash there, as well as any 32 bit games and such
[01:41] <selinium> nq: Why is that?
[01:41] <asdfDiplomats> how do i fix this problem
[01:41] <asdfDiplomats> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/attachment.cgi?id=507
[01:42] <asdfDiplomats> or how do i apply it?
[01:42] <nq> They apply coz (1)it's free of charge; (2) others are doning that
[01:42] <Seveas> nq, so is the rest of the world...
[01:42] <selinium> Seveas: you are a much quicker typist than me!
[01:42] <Seveas> nq, shipit is sending out 120.000 cds *every week*
[01:42] <asdfDiplomats> no no, i mean how do i fix this problem "just look at the page"
[01:42] <apokryphos> wow
[01:42] <thoreauputic> Whistler: this is not a good idea, methinks: deb http://kebil.ghost.lt/ debian/
[01:43] <nq> well, I'm Chinese. Do you know that all the linux related forum is talking about the free ubuntu distribution
[01:43] <Simonth> topyli, Okay, thanks. Does Firefox 64bit work with Flash?..I didnt know
[01:43] <thoreauputic> Whistler: debian lines are likely to cause problems
[01:43] <Simonth> topyli, , dosent*
[01:43] <Seveas> nq, so is the rest of the world....
[01:43] <Whistler> oh k ill remove them
[01:43] <FaCeMaKeR_> How can i chance my language?
[01:43] <craig> I think i must be using a old version of warty because i dont get that option of the settings tab at the bottom of the repos dialog box
[01:43] <selinium> nq: sureley that is a good thing?
[01:43] <topyli> Simonth: flash itself is only 32bit
[01:43] <asdfDiplomats> anyone know how to fix this problem
[01:43] <Seveas> FaCeMaKeR_, sudo dpkf-reconfigure locales
[01:43] <Simonth> topyli, oh okay
[01:43] <asdfDiplomats> it shows the coding, but i am a newbeeee
[01:44] <asdfDiplomats> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/attachment.cgi?id=507
[01:44] <asdfDiplomats> that is the link, but what do i do to apply this solution
[01:44] <nq> Yeah, I know that, human nature of something. But Chinese are more interested in *FREE* things
[01:45] <Seveas> asdfDiplomats, that's not something to do for newbies
[01:45] <Seveas> nq, so is the rest of the world....
[01:45] <asdfDiplomats> well my ibook doesnt wakeu
[01:45] <asdfDiplomats> prehaps that is why i ask
[01:45] <apokryphos> nq: the best things in life are free ;-)
[01:45] <nq> *Seveas*, can we stop this program?
[01:46] <Seveas> nq, why?
[01:46] <thoreauputic> nq: why would you want to stop it?
[01:46] <asdfDiplomats> Seveas: so you think you can help me out here? or what
[01:46] <selinium> nq: Companies send free cd's out all of the time. Most end up as coasters for cups of hot beverages. But I am sure this isn't the case with Ubuntu
[01:46] <nq> tooo waste of *MONEY* for ubuntu fundation
[01:46] <Seveas> asdfDiplomats, I don't even know which bug it belongs to, so until you give more information I can't help you
[01:46] <apokryphos> nq: then shipit itself is
[01:47] <asdfDiplomats> ok, ill give you want i see on my screen
[01:47] <asdfDiplomats> http://img27.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc039756cg.jpg
[01:47] <thoreauputic> nq: I think they know what they are doing :)
[01:47] <selinium> nq: Do you want only a few people to be using Ubuntu?
[01:47] <apokryphos> selinium: I doubt that; so many people ask for 10 CDs (thinking they should, by default), and I'm sure they don't use all of those.
[01:47] <Seveas> they know what they are doing
[01:47] <asdfDiplomats> thats is what i see, everytime i wakeup my pc
[01:47] <Seveas> beyond doubt :)
[01:47] <asdfDiplomats> or i should say ibook
[01:47] <Seveas> asdfDiplomats, I mean bugzilla entry
[01:47] <nq> but raising *MONEY* is not easy thing for open source community
[01:48] <selinium> apokryphos: true, but I have spreading the word, and cd's!
[01:48] <horned> Hello there can anybody help me with procmail and courier imap?
[01:48] <nq> we can't spend it like that way
[01:48] <asdfDiplomats> dude, as i say again, i dont non of this stuff, i have u 5.04 and i am having this problem http://img27.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc039756cg.jpg
[01:48] <apokryphos> nq: this is an argument against shipit, not one against shipit to *china*.
[01:48] <Seveas> asdfDiplomats, you got that patch from bugzilla
[01:48] <Seveas> WHICH BUG?
[01:48] <thoreauputic> nq: Ubuntu fortunately has Mark Shuttleworth and Canonical paying for this stuff :)
[01:48] <asdfDiplomats> ibook doesn't "wake up"
[01:49] <nq> *apokryphos*, ship to china would cost much more money
[01:49] <asdfDiplomats> how do i apply the patch?
[01:49] <Seveas> nq, please read about things before storming in and telling us to stop sending people free things :)
[01:49] <Seveas> asdfDiplomats, .....
[01:49] <asdfDiplomats> dude, i am a mac guy
[01:49] <Seveas> if you don't cooperate I can't help you...
[01:49] <apokryphos> nq: shipit would cost much money. Anyhow, just why shouldn't they get it, and other countries should?
[01:49] <Seveas> asdfDiplomats, you got that patch from bugzilla
[01:49] <Seveas> WHICH BUG?
[01:49] <pekka> I just installed nessus and it asks for "CA certificate life time in days [1460] :" what am i meant to put there?
[01:49] <apokryphos> nq: maybe we should not send them to America instead, eh
[01:50] <Gorgonzola> newbie question... new install of Ubuntu, and trying to run ./configure to install Tutris from source (just for the hell of it). from the config.log i believe i need gcc or similar to compile it... which packages do i actually need? (i tried gcc and gcc-3.3 but that didn't actually give me a gcc executable to run... i don't think)
[01:50] <asdfDiplomats> let me understand what you are saying, This bug that i am having has a id or uniqie name to it that i can tell you?
[01:50] <apokryphos> nq: in fact, I'd say there was a better case for China getting them. Broadband there isn't half as available as it is in America, and hence they'd have more trouble in downloading it
[01:50] <apokryphos> asdfDiplomats: yes
[01:50] <Seveas> Gorgonzola, sudo aptitude install build-essential
[01:50] <thoreauputic> Gorgonzola: build-essential
[01:50] <asdfDiplomats> it says bug 1940
[01:50] <Gorgonzola> thanks Seveas and thoreauputic
[01:51] <Gorgonzola> i only starting reading up on Ubuntu yesterday and it seems like a very friendly, helpful community!
[01:51] <thoreauputic> Gorgonzola: we do our best ;)
[01:51] <nq> Ok,seems Ubuntu don't worry about money
[01:52] <asdfDiplomats> thoreauputic think you can help me out here?
[01:52] <asdfDiplomats> how do i apply patch in u 5.04?
[01:52] <loorni> "Network Error: Connection refused" When i try SSH where is the problem?
[01:52] <lewwy> hey guys
[01:52] <apokryphos> nq: They do, though. This isn't a spontaneous idea to give out free CDs and waste money. It's partly because of the great nature of the OS community, but also it's a great marketting technique ;-)
[01:52] <thoreauputic> asdfDiplomats: I haven't been following, sorry
[01:52] <nq> *apokryphos*, yes, that's true
[01:52] <lewwy> 32bit vs 64bit on ubuntu 32 and 64 and windows, whats faster and why
[01:52] <Seveas> asdfDiplomats, that bug is ancient and the patch is bad
[01:52] <asdfDiplomats> ok, i have this problem. "i am a newbee just to aware you." my ibook doesnt wakeup after sleep
[01:53] <asdfDiplomats> This is what i see after i wake up my ibook. http://img27.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc039756cg.jpg
[01:53] <thoreauputic> asdfDiplomats: I don't know enough to help with that
[01:53] <pekka> Sorry to repeat, but I kind of need this information, i guess, so... I just installed nessus and it asks for "CA certificate life time in days [1460] :" what am i meant to put there?
[01:53] <asdfDiplomats> i found this link telling me to apply patch. but how do i apply patch http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1940
[01:54] <Seveas> asdfDiplomats, that bug is ancient and the patch is bad, do NOT use it
[01:54] <asdfDiplomats> you think you can help me out finding a good one
[01:55] <Seveas> no, you just have to wait for the developers to fix it. This is not something a newbie or average user can fix
[01:55] <asdfDiplomats> omg
[01:56] <Seveas> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1940#c51
[01:56] <Seveas> try that
[01:56] <Seveas> if that does not work, you're out of luck for now
[01:58] <craig> Hey if i look for video drivers for my fx5700 vid card wat driver should i get?
[01:58] <hayden> i keep getting signed out of gaim every 5-10 mins or so, anyone know why? 'connection error from notification server (207.46.6.35) writing erro'
[01:58] <kaffeend> hey everyone
[01:58] <craig> hey kaffeend
[01:59] <asdfDiplomats> ok, all you lady lovers. i found a working patch. how da hell do i apply it
[01:59] <asdfDiplomats> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8682&postcount=2
[01:59] <asdfDiplomats> i am paying anyone that helps me. paypal 30$
[01:59] <kaffeend> can anyone tell me how to configure my firewall please?
[02:00] <kaffeend> how's things craig?
[02:01] <craig> good thanks iam not sure how you configure your firewall iama complete noob lol
[02:01] <selinium> kaffend: sudo apt-get install firestarter it is simple from there.
[02:01] <kaffeend> thanks selenium
[02:02] <kaffeend> selinium* sorry
[02:02] <Seveas> asdfDiplomats, that forum post teels you exactly what to do (the solution is crappy though and should not be used)
[02:02] <kaffeend> hmmm... problem is my CDROM is on the fritz
[02:03] <kaffeend> so I can't install it from cd
[02:03] <icewt> kaffeend, if it ask you for a cdrom, comment out or remove the first line in /etc/apt/sources.list and try again
[02:03] <selinium> kaffeend: CDROM ? Why would you need to sort out your firewall?
[02:03] <lee> get your cdrom off of the german and into a pc, then it'll work better, kaffeend ;)
[02:04] <selinium> icewt: You told me that yesterday! :)
[02:04] <asdfDiplomats> but if it fixs the problem
[02:04] <kaffeend> wrong way around selinium - I need to config my firewall, but I can't install from cd so I need to use stock vanilla apps
[02:04] <Seveas> asdfDiplomats, it creates a new problem
[02:04] <kaffeend> or whatever
[02:04] <kaffeend> icewt thanks for that
[02:04] <asdfDiplomats> Seveas: think you can just tell in english how to do that they are saying
[02:05] <lee> is anybody running breezy and skype, without having to alter any esd configs? and obviously able to make and receive calls in skype, not just the IM...
[02:05] <kaffeend> lmao @ lee
[02:05] <Seveas> asdfDiplomats, I can but i won't, I don't give people bad solutions
[02:05] <selinium> kaffeend: I understand now, do as icewt said and comment out the CD line in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:05] <kaffeend> will do selinium and icewt thanks again
[02:06] <asdfDiplomats> gee, thx
[02:06] <thoreauputic> asdfDiplomats: I think he means he doesn't want to create new problems for you :)
[02:06] <craig> Seveas how do i kill the gome panel again?
[02:07] <Seveas> pkill -1 gnome-panel
[02:07] <craig> Thanks
[02:08] <kaffeend> Hmmm... got this back: Reading package lists... Done
[02:08] <kaffeend> Building dependency tree... Done
[02:08] <kaffeend> E: Couldn't find package firestarter
[02:08] <selinium> Seveas: why the -l flag on pkill?
[02:08] <Seveas> it's a one
[02:08] <Seveas> that means it sends a SIGHUP
[02:08] <Seveas> kaffeend, you might need to enable universe for it
[02:08] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: you need universe repository - watch ubotu below
[02:08] <Seveas> !info firestarter
[02:08] <thoreauputic> !repos
[02:08] <ubotu> firestarter: (gtk program for managing and observing your firewall), section universe/admin, is optional. Version: 1.0.1-1ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 518 kB, Installed size: 2348 kB
[02:08] <ubotu> repos is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[02:09] <kaffeend> thanks
[02:09] <asdfDiplomats> Seveas
[02:09] <asdfDiplomats> this problem is wide around linux on powerpc
[02:10] <asdfDiplomats> and been happen from u v-2
[02:10] <asdfDiplomats> ya, you have no idea of the issue < could of just said that
[02:10] <Seveas> asdfDiplomats, it's been happening from the beginning
[02:10] <Seveas> and I have an idea of the issue after reading the bugreport
[02:10] <asdfDiplomats> and your telling wait for dev to fix it
[02:11] <Seveas> that's why i'm saying: wait for the devs to fix it. if it takes them this long, it's not an easy thing
[02:11] <asdfDiplomats> nice job buddy~ plz help a guy out nexttime without giving endless solu
[02:11] <Seveas> hacking up your system by killing hal around restarts is definiely not good
[02:11] <asdfDiplomats> ok. bye. thx anyway
[02:12] <Seveas> tssss
[02:12] <thoreauputic> asdfDiplomats: you are way out of line -seveas is one of the most helpful people on the channel
[02:12] <thoreauputic> yoo late... :(
[02:12] <selinium> Seveas: Some people just don't listen....
[02:12] <bimberi> he came across somewhat ..er.. undiplomatic :)
[02:12] <Seveas> thoreauputic, he'll get an instant-ban if he does it again :)
[02:12] <thoreauputic> bimberi: indeed
[02:13] <selinium> I have found this channel one of the best resources for any OS ever! People are so helpful. People like that make helpful people not fire up there IRC.
[02:13] <Gorgonzola> configure: error: *** SDL version 1.2.0 not found! <---- when running ./configure ... any advice? :)
[02:14] <Seveas> Gorgonzola, libsdl2.0-dev
[02:14] <Seveas> what are you trying to install?
[02:14] <Gorgonzola> Tutris
[02:15] <Seveas> Gorgonzola, libsdl1.2-dev <-- install that package
[02:15] <Gorgonzola> just need something to learn how all this compiling and stuff works :)
[02:15] <Gorgonzola> thank you, will give it a shot
[02:15] <thoreauputic> selinium: in fact, when one has helped a few people and gets a reaction like that one, the temptation is to stay away: one rude reaction can lose the community valuable helpers
[02:15] <Seveas> Gorgonzola, usually if ./configure complains about missing things, you nead a libSOMETHING-dev
[02:15] <Seveas> SOMETHING here is sdl
[02:16] <Seveas> so 'apt-cache search libsdl | grep dev' will tell you what you need
[02:16] <Gorgonzola> ah yes, i just realised that... i had searched in synaptic and thought "oh none of those results start with SDL..." - guess i should read the results a bit better ;)
[02:16] <selinium> thoreaputic: I remember ny first foray into this channel. Seveas helped me out, the next time you helped me out, now I am helping others out... It is the way it should be.
[02:17] <davro> selinium, :) totally agree!
[02:17] <thoreauputic> selinium: I agree
[02:17] <Seveas> selinium, so true :)
[02:17] <rob> when a program is installed wich directiry is it normally in?
[02:17] <Gorgonzola> selinium, hopefully i get up to speed sooner rather than later myself... then i can help other complete newbies!
[02:18] <loorni> "Network Error: Connection refused" When i try SSH where is the problem?
[02:18] <loorni> ooh sorry..
[02:18] <loorni> wrong keyboard
[02:18] <Seveas> loorni, the ssh server on the remote machine is not on :)
[02:18] <thoreauputic> rob: quite a few :) try typing dpkg -L <nameof package> to see the files it installs
[02:18] <hayden> i keep getting signed out of gaim every 5-10 mins or so, anyone know why? 'connection error from notification server (207.46.6.35) writing erro'
[02:19] <thoreauputic> rob: most of the executables land in /usr/bin/ for normal apss
[02:19] <thoreauputic> *apps
[02:19] <Seveas> hayden, MSN is flaky sometimes
[02:19] <selinium> Gorgozola: You will be suprised how quickly it all starts to sink in! I keep a log of useful commands in a txt file. Very handy for remembering that command you issued once 6 months ago!
[02:19] <Seveas> happens to me too
[02:19] <BockBilbo> hello there
[02:19] <Seveas> selinium, tldp.org :)
[02:19] <Seveas> lots of beginners docs there
[02:19] <Oniano|iBook> gah, on startup, gnome-panel and nautiuls just keep doing 'quit unexpectedly'
[02:19] <rob> Thank You thoreuputic
[02:19] <Oniano|iBook> where do they lof their errors?
[02:19] <Seveas> Oniano|iBook, unfortunately nowhere
[02:20] <loorni> Seveas, any idea why is this saying "Privilege separation user sshd does not exist" when i try to start it?
[02:20] <Seveas> do they work if you start them again after the crash?
[02:20] <Oniano|iBook> any idea how to fix this ones?
[02:20] <Seveas> loorni, is that on an Ubuntu system?
[02:20] <hayden> Seveas, yea
[02:20] <loorni> yes
[02:20] <Seveas> loorni, odd, how did you install the ssh server?
[02:21] <loorni> Seveas, sudo apt-get install ssh
[02:21] <Seveas> loorni, sudo aptitue install openssh-server <-- that is the server
[02:22] <loorni> Seveas, starter guide said ssh...
[02:22] <loorni> damn
[02:22] <Seveas> ubuntuguide.org you mean?
[02:22] <thoreauputic> Seveas: actually the ssh package installs the server and client
[02:22] <Seveas> thoreauputic, is that so? hmm, something went wrong furing install then
[02:22] <loorni> Seveas, yes
[02:22] <Seveas> loorni, that site is not too good
[02:23] <thoreauputic> Seveas: yes, see apt-cache depends ssh
[02:23] <loorni> Seveas, it says i have already newest version of it
[02:23] <Seveas> loorni, sudo aptitude purge openssh-server
[02:23] <Seveas> and then install it again
[02:23] <Seveas> something must have failed during install
[02:23] <BockBilbo> can anyone tell me how to fix the encoding problem of the names of the files which have special characters?
[02:24] <loorni> Seveas, how do i remove it? and "aptidude: command not found"
[02:24] <Seveas> aptitude
[02:24] <om_> ok, I have a question up for debate: pidentd, oidentd, slidentd, nullidentd or some other *identd?
[02:24] <Seveas> not aptidude :)
[02:24] <thoreauputic> loorni: typo?
[02:24] <Seveas> pidentd
[02:24] <loorni> damn
[02:24] <om_> pididentd is what I have always used
[02:25] <Seveas> pidentd is the least insecure
[02:25] <bimberi> aptidude - i like it!
[02:25] <om_> i'm just looking at these others they seem interesting
[02:25] <Seveas> thoreauputic, aptidude is a dude with attitude ;)
[02:25] <thoreauputic> Seveas: right !
[02:25] <thoreauputic> :)
[02:25] <om_> oidentd seems kinda neat tho
[02:26] <Hildgrim> This is quite confusing; could you ever chose a admin password during the install? I only remember the username and the password for that username..
[02:26] <loorni> Seveas, so what now? after that aptitude thing?
[02:26] <thoreauputic> !root
[02:26] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, root is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[02:26] <BockBilbo> Hildgrim, the username you enter is the admin
[02:26] <Hildgrim> crazy.
[02:26] <Seveas> loorni, sudo aptitude install openssh-server
[02:26] <thoreauputic> Hildgrim: you use "sudo" with your user pass
[02:26] <om_> thoreauputic: what do you think about differences between pidentd and oidentd and the like?
[02:26] <Seveas> (that installs it again)
[02:27] <thoreauputic> om_: i have no idea :)
[02:27] <om_> rgr
[02:27] <hayden> Seveas, have u any experience with cisco vpnclient or vpnc?
[02:27] <Hildgrim> thanks guys,
[02:27] <Seveas> hayden, fortunately not :)
[02:27] <BockBilbo> Seveas, do you know any way of fixing the wrong encoding files easier than having to modify the names one by one?
[02:27] <Seveas> BockBilbo, not really
[02:27] <BockBilbo> :(
[02:27] <hayden> Seveas, ok thanks anyways
[02:28] <Seveas> BockBilbo, maybe rename can help you
[02:28] <Seveas> it's great at mass renaming
[02:28] <BockBilbo> mm dont know, im gonna take a look to the manual
[02:28] <BockBilbo> though... im afraid it wont work
[02:29] <Seveas> or (evil trick) for FILE in * mv FILE `iconv --something`
[02:30] <Seveas> dunno how that will work
[02:31] <BockBilbo> the problem is that not all files have wrong encoding
[02:32] <thoreauputic> Seveas: should the second FILE in that be $FILE ?
[02:32] <Seveas> thoreauputic, there are LOTS more errors in that command
[02:32] <Seveas> it was just to show what it might look like :)
[02:32] <thoreauputic> Seveas: hahah OK :)
[02:33] <Chaotic_Shield> hey all
[02:34] <loorni> How do i make a folder /home/"username"?
[02:35] <Seveas> mkdir /home/$USER
[02:35] <Seveas> why?
[02:35] <Chaotic_Shield> no NAHM or TSR on happyhardcore.com this weeks.
[02:35] <Chaotic_Shield> week*
[02:35] <Chaotic_Shield> it was a sad day yesterday.
[02:36] <Chaotic_Shield> ah well
[02:36] <Chaotic_Shield> at least I got Unreal+Anope to work!
[02:36] <Chaotic_Shield> :)
[02:36] <thoreauputic> !comfort Chaotic_Shield
[02:36] <ubotu> thoreauputic: I don't know, could you explain it?
[02:36] <Chaotic_Shield> happy happy happy
[02:36] <thoreauputic> oh, what a pity...
[02:36] <Chaotic_Shield> Now, to get Denora and my bopm to go.
[02:36] <Chaotic_Shield> anyone here got experience in setting up either? I'm having a little bit of trouble.
[02:37] <Chaotic_Shield> w0h00!
[02:38] <elsha> !dialup
[02:38] <ubotu> elsha: I haven't a clue
[02:38] <Chaotic_Shield> bopm configures.
[02:38] <Chaotic_Shield> yay!
[02:38] <Chaotic_Shield> it configures too
[02:38] <Chaotic_Shield> happy happy happy
[02:38] <Chaotic_Shield> now.
[02:38] <Chaotic_Shield> The ultimate test.
[02:38] <Chaotic_Shield> Does it run
[02:39] <raven3x7> i need help. cant start gnome nor kde. is there a log file i can post. im using afterstep for the moment
[02:39] <Seveas> raven3x7, sometimes it helps to remove .Xauthority and .ICEauthority from your homedir
[02:40] <Seveas> as well as cleaning out all files in /tmp that you own
[02:40] <raven3x7> Seveas you mean delete those folders
[02:40] <Seveas> yeah
[02:40] <raven3x7> /home/user/tmp?
[02:41] <lee> hmmm, what do you need to alter to make auto-mounting of removable media happen? e.g. when I plug in a firewire hd I want the drive to be mounted on /media/scsidisk and the root dir to appear in a nautilus (?) window ... it did before i recompiled my kernel...
[02:42] <kaffeend> anyone know a good theme page?
[02:43] <Chaotic_Shield> art.gnome.org
[02:43] <thoreauputic> !theme
[02:43] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, theme is http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/
[02:43] <kaffeend> tanks
[02:43] <Chaotic_Shield> ah, I need to talk to them Unreal peoples.
[02:43] <Chaotic_Shield> I have a bug.
[02:43] <raven3x7> Seveas, is there a reason for this happening?
[02:44] <Seveas> raven3x7, well, sometimes .ICEauthority gets confused
[02:44] <Seveas> especally when you mix gnome and kde
[02:45] <raven3x7> Seveas, hmm so its a bug
[02:47] <raven3x7> dawm afterstep is flacky
[02:47] <Seveas> araw1-off, I warned you before
[02:47] <Seveas> turn that off
[02:49] <Chaotic_Shield> public aways lose.
[02:49] <Chaotic_Shield> anyone ever run Unreal3.2.3+Anope on Ubuntu?
[02:49] <Chaotic_Shield> in this channel?
[02:49] <Hildgrim> Hmm. I found and installed libntfs and ntfsprogs, but the only help about ntfs i can find in the wiki as in hungarian. Any idea on how I can mount my (winxp created) ntfs drives?
[02:49] <Seveas> like it's ever remotely interesting to see why people are away :)
[02:49] <Seveas> Hildgrim, ditch libntfs and ntfsprogs again
[02:49] <Seveas> you don't need them :)
[02:50] <Seveas> Hildgrim: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[02:50] <raven3x7> Seveas just droped in to say thanks.
[02:50] <Seveas> raven3x7, so it worked?
[02:50] <Chaotic_Shield> Hildgrim, do an fdisk -l
[02:50] <raven3x7> yeah
[02:50] <joachim_> hi
[02:50] <Chaotic_Shield> and look for a drive labeled NTFS
[02:50] <Seveas> raven3x7, nice :)
[02:50] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield, that script does just that :)
[02:50] <raven3x7> thanks again. i gotta work now
[02:50] <Gorgonzola> selinium, can you please have a quick look at pastebin for my next error message?
[02:51] <Chaotic_Shield> ah :-P
[02:51] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield, read it, it's not too long :)
[02:51] <Chaotic_Shield> I did it the good old fashion'ed way.
[02:51] <Hildgrim> Chaotic_Shield, aha, where is it usually? in /dev ?
[02:51] <Chaotic_Shield> Hildgrim, just use http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[02:51] <Gorgonzola> or anyone for that matter
[02:51] <Hildgrim> Chaotic_Shield, will do.
[02:51] <Seveas> Gorgonzola, which pastebin?
[02:51] <thoreauputic> Gorgonzola: URL?
[02:51] <Gorgonzola> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/947
[02:52] <Seveas> Gorgonzola, ghe
[02:52] <Seveas> that's all but the error
[02:52] <Gorgonzola> sorry, i just figured it stay on top of the list long enough :P
[02:52] <Seveas> please paste the complete output
[02:53] <thoreauputic> Gorgonzola: all that tells us is "it didn't compile" - which you knew anyway :)
[02:53] <Seveas> Gorgonzola, tip: wget http://ubuntulinux.nl/files/pastebin
[02:53] <Gorgonzola> hehe, how's that now? :P
[02:53] <Seveas> and: make 2>&1 | python pastebin
[02:53] <Gorgonzola> Seveas, thanks
[02:53] <Seveas> command-line pastebin posting rocks :)
[02:54] <Tomcat_> Oi.
[02:54] <Tomcat_> I didn't know that. :D
[02:54] <Gorgonzola> hehe, anything to make me use more CLI is a good thing :)
[02:54] <Tomcat_> And you're still using xchat? :D
[02:55] <Gorgonzola> Tomcat_, I've been using ubuntu for about .... 5ours now, that's it
[02:55] <Gorgonzola> give me time! ;)
[02:55] <Gorgonzola> hehe
[02:55] <Tomcat_> :D
[02:55] <Gorgonzola> *hours
[02:55] <Chaotic_Shield> heh.
[02:55] <Hildgrim> I love you guys.
[02:55] <Chaotic_Shield> lol
[02:55] <BockBilbo> Seveas, whats the way to know which locales are installed on my system?
[02:56] <Seveas> BockBilbo, locale -a
[02:56] <Seveas> Gorgonzola, sudo aptitude install libsdl-image1.2-dev
[02:57] <Chaotic_Shield> bah
[02:57] <Chaotic_Shield> too bad mIRC+wine isn't very good.
[02:57] <Seveas> mIRC is suck anyway
[02:57] <craig> hey
[02:58] <Seveas> xchat can be scripted in python, that's so much nicer than mircscript :)
[02:58] <Hildgrim> Ack! I thought there was a port of truecrypt for linux based systems. Anyone know about anything that can open truecrypt-created volumes?
[02:58] <craig> iam having trouble setting up this net work with my system and a xp system i can get them 2 see each other
[02:59] <Chaotic_Shield> heh
[02:59] <Chaotic_Shield> I like mIRC because I have so many scripts that I've written for it and it'd be a pain to rescript all of them.
[02:59] <craig> but when i try n logon from xp system to mine it asks 4 a password i put it in and it wont logon
[02:59] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield, hehe
[02:59] <wezzer-_> is there any proffessional in squid & dansguardian?
[03:00] <Seveas> Hildgrim, apt-cache search truecrypt shows nothing, so I guess you're out of luck unless google can find you something
[03:00] <Hildgrim> hum. I think bestcrypt might do something nice
[03:00] <Seveas> craig, samba uses its own passwords
[03:00] <Chaotic_Shield> too bad you can't just get a program that translates from mIRCscript to python/TCL/etc
[03:00] <aru> !tell craig about samba
[03:00] <Seveas> craig, read the manpage for smbpasswd
[03:00] <thoreauputic> Chaotic_Shield: nice project for you ;)
[03:01] <kaffeend> I suppose there is a wiki how-to for this, but can someone tell me how to play .mp3s in totem please?
[03:01] <mpathy> Hi there.. Something who uses Xinerama with a laptop? Got problems
[03:01] <selinium> Sorry Gorgonzola, I was away from the PC.
[03:01] <aru> !mp3
[03:01] <Code_Dark> Winamp not Running
[03:01] <ubotu> I heard mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[03:01] <craig> i set the password up through samba
[03:01] <kaffeend> here we go
[03:01] <craig> sudo smbpasswd -a
[03:01] <craig> that is wat i used
[03:01] <Chaotic_Shield> Most advanced language I learned was MS VB.Net
[03:01] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield, that's because mircscript sucks beyond believe ;)
[03:01] <craig> 2 set the password
[03:02] <Chaotic_Shield> heh
[03:02] <thoreauputic> Code_Dark: umm... WINamp ? note first three letters...
[03:02] <Chaotic_Shield> lol
[03:02] <francesco__> Hello, I have winxp on ide1master and ubuntu on ide2master. Can I install GRUB on ide1master?
[03:02] <Chaotic_Shield> lol
[03:03] <Seveas> francesco__, yes
[03:03] <Chaotic_Shield> I hate you irc.anope.org
[03:03] <thoreauputic> craig: just curious - what's the advantage of using "2" when you mean "to" ?
[03:03] <Gorgonzola> hmm, i think i'll put ubuntu onto my main machine instead of my old one (having low 1024x768 resolution is giving me the shits)
[03:03] <Chaotic_Shield> O_O
[03:03] <aru> thoreauputic: its elite...
[03:03] <gregg_> thoreauputic: it's supposed to be cool
[03:03] <Chaotic_Shield> That's low?
[03:03] <francesco__> Seveas: how can I do?
[03:03] <mpathy> Is somebody there who can help me setting up my xorg.conf to have dual monitors using a Radeon 7500 Mobility, one screen laptop TFT one screen 22" CRT!?!
[03:04] <Chaotic_Shield> 1024x768 is elite.
[03:04] <Gorgonzola> hehe, yes it is
[03:04] <Seveas> francesco__, sudo grub-install '(hd0)'
[03:04] <Chaotic_Shield> anything higher hurts my eyes.
[03:04] <Gorgonzola> not to mention this machine is slower than im used to also
[03:04] <pekka> Hmm. Update notifier takes 25% of my cpu tho it says it is sleeping... Is this meant to happen? :S
[03:04] <aru> 1024x768 is what I have
[03:04] <Gorgonzola> Chaotic_Shield, what size monitor you use?
[03:04] <slowbro> what doesnt everyone have 1024x768?
[03:04] <Chaotic_Shield> 13" LCD I think.
[03:04] <Chaotic_Shield> It's a laptop.
[03:05] <Chaotic_Shield> So whatever's attached to it
[03:05] <Gorgonzola> Chaotic_Shield, that's probably why then :)
[03:05] <Chaotic_Shield> It maxes out at 1024x768./
[03:05] <Gorgonzola> on a 17" 1280x960 is fine for me
[03:05] <Chaotic_Shield> I have a 20" I put at 1600x1200 and it's so freakin tiny.
[03:05] <francesco__> Seveas, I'm on rescue mode using the install cd... is it correct?
[03:05] <craig> It is just habbit and more then likely a bad one
[03:05] <gregg_> thoreauputic: I can't stand it either :)
[03:05] <aru> a 22 inch crt is insane
[03:05] <Seveas> francesco__, oooh....
[03:05] <selinium> thoreauputic: I have a constant reminder, being British, having to type color in HTML.
[03:05] <Chaotic_Shield> I HATE that.
[03:05] <Chaotic_Shield> I'm Canadian, and colour > color.
[03:05] <Seveas> francesco__, wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows <-- that gives you more info
[03:05] <Chaotic_Shield> honestly.
[03:06] <kaffeend> okay, is there anything I can do to play . m p 3 files which doesn't require me to use my install disc? I broke my cdrom drive and can't use it til saturday when I get a replacement
[03:06] <craig> but so is smoking and drink and taking drugs but still people do it
[03:06] <[derek] > i am a newbie i just downloaded ubuntu live cd
[03:06] <Chaotic_Shield> Why can't HTML be Canadian/British English compatible?
[03:06] <wezzer-_> how do I enable port 3128 only at device eth1 using iptables?
[03:06] <Gorgonzola> even at 1024x768 everything in ubuntu (menus and stuff) just seem so much bigger than winxp.... or is that just my imagination (and im not used to running a slightly lower res)?
[03:06] <thoreauputic> selinium: hehe - the first time I set up ssh I *could not* work out why "authorised_keys2" wouldn't work ;)
[03:06] <Seveas> kaffeend, remove the cdrom line from /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:06] <Seveas> and you will never need the install cd again :)
[03:06] <Chaotic_Shield> Gorgonzola, it's you.
[03:06] <gregg_> Gorgonzola: the standard font size is bigger
[03:06] <Gorgonzola> being an aussie i too argue that colour > color
[03:06] <selinium> thoreauputic: lo
[03:06] <kaffeend> oookay
[03:06] <selinium> thoreauputic: lol
[03:07] <kaffeend> is that dodgy?
[03:07] <francesco__> Seveas :: thanx, I'm going to try it
[03:07] <Chaotic_Shield> the freakin Americans, HTML should be spelt with Canadian/Aussie/British English spellings.
[03:07] <Chaotic_Shield> colour > color. EOF.
[03:07] <Seveas> :)
[03:07] <Chaotic_Shield> can anyone connect to irc.anope.org?
[03:07] <kaffeend> don't forget kiwi
[03:07] <Chaotic_Shield> XChat is not even doing anything.
[03:07] <Chaotic_Shield> It's just...........connecting......
[03:07] <Gorgonzola> hmm, i haven't even looked at font sizes yet!
[03:07] <aru> Chaotic_Shield: maybe YOU guys need to invent something :)
[03:07] <LinuxDolt> no, color > colour. it's shorter
[03:07] <Chaotic_Shield> LinuxDolt, are you America?
[03:08] <Chaotic_Shield> American*
[03:08] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: just as well kiwi isn't written phonetically ;-)
[03:08] <Gorgonzola> LinuxDolt, the lazy side of me appreciates that... but i just can't give in to american spelling ;)
[03:08] <LinuxDolt> what does that have to do with color being shorter than colour?
[03:08] <gregg_> Gorgonzola: i only have an old 15" CRT which is only capable of 800x600 I had to adjust quite a bit :)
[03:08] <elsha> anyone ever had the error when trying to access anything in administration of "Unable to copy the user's Xauthorisation file"? Everything was running fine in administration before, all I have changed since then is some things with the graphics card because i had switched cards.
[03:08] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: otherwise all i would be replaced with u ;)
[03:08] <gregg_> Gorgonzola: for now at least
[03:08] <Gorgonzola> gregg_, i feel for you man :P
[03:08] <Chaotic_Shield> agreed Gorgonzola
[03:09] <pekka> LinuxDolt, htm would be shorter that html and still the tag is not <HTM>.
[03:09] <Chaotic_Shield> tbh, the Americans should be more internationally friendly.
[03:09] <kaffeend> thoreauputic phonetic isn't either
[03:09] <omega_> I remember when I only had a 14" inch CRT. On my Pentium 60 with 1MB video card, it could still run in 800x600x16, though. :p
[03:09] <LinuxDolt> well, i'll give you that chaotic
[03:09] <selinium> kaffeend thoreauputic: And why is Dyslexis so difficult to spell?
[03:09] <selinium> kaffeend thoreauputic: And why is Dyslexia so difficult to spell?
[03:10] <selinium> :D
[03:10] <Chaotic_Shield> Because scientists are too damn smart for their own good.
[03:10] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: funny that "phonetic" isn't spelled "fonetik"
[03:10] <kaffeend> hey I'm dyslexic dude - just realized there really is a dog!
[03:10] <pekka> Americans have smaller, even when it comes to words. :|
[03:10] <Chaotic_Shield> lol
[03:10] <pekka> Maybe is hould shut up
[03:10] <Chaotic_Shield> hahaha
[03:10] <killapop> LOL
[03:10] <Chaotic_Shield> kaffeend, hahahahahah Dyslexic Agnostics
[03:10] <kaffeend> heh
[03:10] <Chaotic_Shield> Such a great tshirt.
[03:10] <wina> hallo
[03:10] <selinium> ROFL
[03:11] <kaffeend> heya wina
[03:11] <Chaotic_Shield> anyone try connecting to irc.anope.org?
[03:11] <Chaotic_Shield> I can't get in.
[03:11] <Chaotic_Shield> XChat times out.
[03:11] <kaffeend> yep
[03:11] <kaffeend> Hey, it worked !
[03:11] <kaffeend> The SSL/TLS-aware Apache webserver was
[03:11] <kaffeend> successfully installed on this website.
[03:11] <wina> asl
[03:11] <kaffeend> hahaha
[03:11] <lee> after recompiling my kernel, when I plug in my firewire hd it not longer auto-mounts/brings up a list of files in the root, what do I need to do to restore this behaviour?
[03:12] <kaffeend> this isn't yahoo! wina
[03:12] <wina> hu hu
[03:12] <kaffeend> :P
[03:12] <LinuxDolt> i'll finish this crap up another time. i'm getting to bed now
[03:12] <Seveas> lee, use the standard kernel :)
[03:12] <wina> yup
[03:12] <pekka> What other good IRC clients are there for Linux (besides xChat).
[03:12] <Chaotic_Shield> mIRC+wine.
[03:12] <Chaotic_Shield> mIRC+wine2win.
[03:12] <nightswim> irssi
[03:12] <LinuxDolt> eww on mirc
[03:12] <Seveas> irssi, bitchx
[03:12] <lee> Seveas: um, no =) I can't use the latest nvidia drivers if I do that
[03:12] <lee> well, not easily, anyway
[03:12] <LinuxDolt> you might want to try running hydrairc in wine ;)
[03:12] <Gorgonzola> Seveas, last question for today i promise :) ....any other ideas having installed that package and still getting the same error?
[03:12] <Seveas> lee, then live without automounts :)
[03:13] <pekka> I use mIrc in windows, in this i wanna try other ones. But Irssi and Bitchx sound nice names.
[03:13] <selinium> nightswim: irssi? I only use it when X is broken!
[03:13] <nightswim> I dont
[03:13] <nightswim> I use it all the time
[03:13] <gregg_> good irc clients? irssi all the way
[03:13] <Chaotic_Shield> lol
[03:13] <Chaotic_Shield> tbh
[03:13] <Chaotic_Shield> telnet2win.
[03:13] <Seveas> (details: automount uses hal, something with kernel 2.6.12 breaks that)
[03:13] <lee> Seveas: is it just a config option that I need to enable to accomplish that, the kernel automounter v3/v4?
[03:13] <selinium> lol
[03:13] <lee> ah
[03:13] <kaffeend> Chaotic_Shield what's the story with irc.anope.org anyway?
[03:13] <Chaotic_Shield> dunno
[03:13] <Chaotic_Shield> I time out.
[03:13] <Seveas> it's been fixed in Breezy
[03:13] <Chaotic_Shield> Can you connect?
[03:13] <kaffeend> asl lmao!
[03:13] <LinuxDolt> telnet's only good if you're not joining any busy channels... like this one
[03:14] <Chaotic_Shield> TELNET2WIN
[03:14] <selinium> Chaotic_Sheild: I can't connect either
[03:14] <Chaotic_Shield> EOF.
[03:14] <gregg_> pekka: bitchx is crap, you can believe me in that :)
[03:14] <lee> hopefully it'll be fixed in 2.6.13 then =) I can mount manually just fine, as I've been doing for years when running debian, it was just nice to have it appear automagically
[03:14] <kaffeend> yes Chaotic_Shield I can
[03:14] <Chaotic_Shield> fuck
[03:14] <Chaotic_Shield> I can't.
[03:14] <Seveas> lee, it's already fixed in hal
[03:14] <Chaotic_Shield> I need to talk to them about the fact that Anope doesn't think that Unreal3.2.3 supports vIdent.
[03:14] <pekka> k
[03:14] <Seveas> breezy hal that is
[03:14] <selinium> Chaotic_Sheild: I can't connect either. I am using xChat
[03:14] <kaffeend> hmmm...
[03:14] <pekka> "Latest Debian version can always be installed with apt-get install irssi-text." Does this also include ubuntu?
[03:14] <Chaotic_Shield> what are you using kaffeend
[03:14] <Seveas> pekka, yes
[03:15] <lee> Seveas: is breezy the equivalent of debian's sid, ie can anything break at any time?
[03:15] <pekka> k
[03:15] <kaffeend> firefox
[03:15] <Seveas> lee, all UBuntu versions are based on sid :)
[03:15] <kaffeend> plain vanilla
[03:15] <Chaotic_Shield> heh.
[03:15] <Seveas> Breezy is the unstable version, and Ubuntu unstables are rougher than sid at times
[03:15] <Chaotic_Shield> I'm telneting in!
[03:15] <kaffeend> try http://irc.anope.org/?
[03:15] <lee> hmmmkay, perhaps I'll wait for breezy to become the stable release =)
[03:15] <Chaotic_Shield> shh.
[03:16] <Chaotic_Shield> I knew that.
[03:16] <kaffeend> heh
[03:16] <Chaotic_Shield> no workies.
[03:16] <LinuxDolt> i'd like to see how many times you screw up your commands because the screen scrolls too fast
[03:16] <kaffeend> doh
[03:16] <Chaotic_Shield> lol
[03:16] <Chaotic_Shield> heh
[03:16] <lee> so when is apple's version of this distro coming out, and is it going to be called iBuntu...
[03:16] <kaffeend> well I dunno then Chaotic_Shield sorry
[03:16] <Chaotic_Shield> I'm gonna use CGI:IRC
[03:17] <kaffeend> keep us informed, eh?
[03:17] <LinuxDolt> heh. why not? CGI:IRC sucks though
[03:17] <Chaotic_Shield> yup
[03:17] <Chaotic_Shield> but XChat doesn't connect to irc.anope.org
[03:17] <Chaotic_Shield> so it loses.
[03:17] <LinuxDolt> yeah. xchat doesn't have a channel monitor either, so it loses
[03:18] <Chaotic_Shield> tbh.
[03:18] <wina> hahai
[03:19] <gregg_> LinuxDolt: what's so good about that particular client?
[03:19] <kaffeend> what's all we can do with irc anyways?
[03:20] <windex|coding> you know, soon the majority of PPC ports of Linux are going to die. :(
[03:20] <LokeDK> The gnome theme manager thing is no longer able to switch the.. uhm gtk theme.. it only uses clearlooks
[03:20] <windex|coding> well, desktop stuff anyway.
[03:20] <Seveas> windex|coding, as soon as mac starts using intel chios they will
[03:20] <windex|coding> Seveas, i'm sure a lot of distros will maintain it for use on IBM Power-based servers, but those things aren't workstations. at all.
[03:21] <kaffeend> why o why did they go with intel anyway?
[03:21] <jowi> did anyone get problems with firefox 1.0.6? it just refuses to maximize for me. no other apps have this problem.
[03:21] <pekka> Now... How exactly do I change the language of ubuntu back to english? I installed it in finnish and I think I would prefer english afterall.
[03:21] <LinuxDolt> gregg_: a lot of stuff. lemme point you to a screenie: http://photobucket.com/albums/v247/SlicerSV/misc/?action=view¤t=HydraIRC-screenie.png
[03:21] <Seveas> pekka, sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[03:21] <kaffeend> jowi no mine is fine
[03:21] <pekka> k, thx
[03:22] <jowi> kaffeend, ok, thanks. will re-install the sucker.
[03:22] <kaffeend> ok jowi gl with that mat
[03:22] <Joose^> hi
[03:22] <kaffeend> mate*
[03:22] <gregg_> LinuxDolt: doesn't look that special
[03:23] <Joose^> does exist any guide to configured ubuntu for run more fast ?
[03:23] <Seveas> Joose^, what's the slowness?
[03:23] <LinuxDolt> gregg_: know of any other client that allows you to watch all joined channels from all connected servers from just a single panel?
[03:23] <windex|coding> LinuxDolt, ... xchat has a channel monitor.
[03:23] <kaffeend> my net is slow
[03:24] <Gorgonzola> time for some sleep
[03:24] <Nermal> kafeine, change the MTU to 1400 ?
[03:24] <LinuxDolt> windex|coding: how do you use it?
[03:24] <Gorgonzola> nite all, thanks for the help, you'll be seeing more of me around here (like it or not, hehe)
[03:24] <kaffeend> Nermal wtf?
[03:24] <windex|coding> LinuxDolt, the channel tabs in xchat change text color. red for activity, blue if someone says your nick.
[03:24] <Joose^> Seveas i don't it's slow to open windows and programms like openO
[03:24] <kaffeend> lol what is MTU please dude?
[03:24] <Seveas> openoffice is slow
[03:24] <LinuxDolt> windex|coding: that's half-ass
[03:25] <Joose^> Seveas and the windows?
[03:25] <windex|coding> LinuxDolt, how so?
[03:25] <salil> anyone know how to get PL-2303 Driver for ubuntu..??
[03:25] <Nermal> kafeine, I find it strangely amusing to state a solution that I know people won't understand
[03:25] <windex|coding> LinuxDolt, it keeps channels on each server connected to it grouped as well.
[03:25] <jowi> kaffeend, crap. it was my windowmanagers fault
[03:25] <concept10> !info nvu
[03:26] <kaffeend> jowi what was it?
[03:26] <LinuxDolt> windex|coding: any client worth existing does that
[03:26] <gregg_> LinuxDolt: I'm not really sure what you mean with "watch"
[03:26] <thoreauputic> !nvu
[03:26] <ubotu> rumour has it, nvu is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingNvu http://www.nvu.com/ Linux/Mac/Windows Web authoring.
[03:26] <jowi> kaffeend, no idea. only Oroborus display the problem with firefox not maximising
[03:26] <kaffeend> so is it a REAL solution Nermal?
[03:26] <salil> anyone know how to get PL-2303 Driver for ubuntu..??
[03:27] <francesco__> Seveas :: everything went ok... thanx a lot... bye!
[03:27] <kaffeend> well, I got no idea dude - I'm too green to help I'm afraid
[03:27] <LinuxDolt> i can read everything that goes on in all my channels on all my networks from one single panel
[03:27] <concept10> thoreauputic, someone should just put it in the repositories
[03:27] <Seveas> LinuxDolt, that is so friggen annoying...
[03:27] <gregg_> LinuxDolt: you can read THAT fast? :)
[03:27] <LinuxDolt> name one other client that can do that
[03:27] <salil> anyone know how to get PL-2303 Driver for ubuntu..??
[03:27] <LinuxDolt> gregg_: perhaps i do
[03:27] <Joose^> anyone know about a guide for configured grub?
[03:27] <thoreauputic> concept10: I believe it will be in breezy
[03:28] <Seveas> thoreauputic, it already is afaik
[03:28] <nbcmayhem> mhh can't install ubuntu on my G5
[03:28] <gregg_> well, I don't know of any other client which can do that, but it doesn't make that much sense for me anyway :)
[03:28] <nbcmayhem> it keeps getting kernel panics
[03:28] <jowi> salil, isn't that a USB controller?
[03:28] <concept10> im going to add breezy today
[03:28] <gregg_> I could wirte a script for irssi to do that
[03:28] <ajmitch> Seveas: yes, not the 1.0 final version though, looks like someone needs to update nvu in universe
[03:29] <LinuxDolt> who cares if it makes sense to you or not? it is POSSIBLE, and some people may just want it
[03:29] <nbcmayhem> someone here who can help me
[03:29] <ajmitch> Seveas: and I'm not volunteering to do it :)
[03:29] <Seveas> ajmitch, *g*
[03:30] <gregg_> irssi is extremely flexible, nicely scriptable and has plugins like irssi-proxy which undoubtly make it the best thing since sliced bread
[03:30] <salil> jowi: yes it is
[03:30] <salil> jowi: do you know how to set it up..?
[03:31] <LinuxDolt> when i first started using Hydra in windows because of xchat's shareware for windows port garbage, i thought the channel monitor was rather messed up too, but once i got used to it, i miss it
[03:32] <jowi> salil, I found this one from 2004. do not know if it works for hoary: http://www.geekindenial.com/blog/archives/2004/11/
[03:32] <salil> jowi: which one is it for?
[03:32] <LinuxDolt> my biggest complaint against Hydra, however, is lack of UTF-8 support
[03:33] <LinuxDolt> a lot of people wouldn't like it because it doesn't have any scripting yet either
[03:33] <jowi> salil, pl-2303. does not say which version of ubuntu (it's a blog)
[03:34] <LinuxDolt> anyways... i REALLY do need to get to bed...
[03:34] <kaffeend> hey guys, I'm trying to use: apt-get install nvidia-glx to enable my nvidia drivers, and it's not working for me. Get the following error:
[03:34] <kaffeend> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[03:34] <kaffeend> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[03:34] <thoreauputic> jowi: probably for warty, given the date
[03:34] <Seveas> kaffeend, sudo apt-get ...
[03:34] <gregg_> kaffeend: sudo
[03:34] <kaffeend> doh, what a clutz
[03:34] <kaffeend> thanks guys
[03:34] <catfox> is breezy gonna have a bootsplash? :)
[03:34] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: heh
[03:35] <Seveas> catfox, possibly
[03:35] <jowi> salil, does not 'modprobe pl2303' work for you?
[03:35] <salil> jowi: let me try
[03:36] <salil> jowi: what is it supposed to show..?
[03:36] <kaffeend> I'm so sick of seeing: Media change: please insert the disc labeled
[03:36] <kaffeend> 'Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release amd64 (20050407)'
[03:36] <kaffeend> in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter
[03:36] <jowi> salil, if successful: nothing!
[03:36] <catfox> Seveas, what's it gonna be based on, do you know?
[03:36] <salil> jowi: it is successful i think...
[03:36] <thoreauputic> salil: silence is golden in *nix :)
[03:36] <Chaotic_Shield> too bad it takes up like 3GB
[03:36] <Seveas> catfox, udu.wiki.ubuntulcom can tell you :)
[03:36] <Seveas> catfox, udu.wiki.ubuntu.com can tell you :)
[03:36] <salil> so.. how do i use the phone then..? i want to be able to transfer files and all that..
[03:37] <salil> jowi: so.. how do i use the phone then..? i want to be able to transfer files and all that..
[03:37] <mjog> hey guys, so exactly how "broken" is X in breezy at the moment?
[03:37] <catfox> Seveas, cheers
[03:37] <mjog> I am thinking of upgrading
[03:37] <jowi> salil, that i have no idea.
[03:37] <mjog> to get 2.6.12 so I can apply the SATA resume patch
[03:37] <salil> jowi: do you know anything about bluetooth..??
[03:37] <thoreauputic> mjog: <-----------------------------> about that much
[03:38] <Seveas> mjog, broken.
[03:38] <mjog> thoreauputic: ahhh, that sucks
[03:38] <Seveas> thoreauputic, more like <----->
[03:38] <mjog> what are the problems with it?
[03:38] <Chaotic_Shield> FUCK
[03:38] <Seveas> it's getting close :)
[03:38] <thoreauputic> Seveas: :)
[03:38] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield, language....
[03:38] <Chaotic_Shield> irc.anope.org doesn't work for me.
[03:38] <jowi> salil, no
[03:38] <Chaotic_Shield> sorry Seveas
[03:38] <salil> jowi: ooh.. thanks anyway..
[03:38] <kaffeend> no it's a ten hyphen big I think
[03:38] <Chaotic_Shield> It's just bugging me that that doesn't work.
[03:39] <kaffeend> can anyone help me with cedega please? I have no idea what I'm doing here.....
[03:40] <Seveas> kaffeend, #cedega
[03:40] <kaffeend> Seveas they never talk to me dude
[03:40] <kaffeend> those ppl are weird
[03:40] <FlyingSquirrel32> Anyone have suggestions on a good multiplayer game for linux, besides wine and the like
[03:40] <Bubbling_Zombie> FlyingSquirrel32 : what kind of game?
[03:41] <mjog> FlyingSquirrel32: bzflag!
[03:41] <thoreauputic> From 66.252.3.2 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable < not surprising he couldn't connect to irc.anope.org
[03:41] <FlyingSquirrel32> well, something to play with a friend that doesn't like the violence of a first-person shooter
[03:41] <mjog> FlyingSquirrel32: wesnoth
[03:41] <Seveas> kaffeend, ah.. didn't know that :)
[03:41] <kaffeend> Americas Army FlyingSquirrel32
[03:42] <salil> jowi: how do you mount a character type device..??
[03:42] <kaffeend> too difficult to get any attention in #cedega Seveas
[03:42] <FlyingSquirrel32> mjog: bzflag is good, but I'd like a little more sophisticated. (BTW have you seen cube? cubeengine.org)
[03:42] <FlyingSquirrel32> kaffeend: a little less violent
[03:43] <mjog> FlyingSquirrel32: wesnoth is a cool RPG
[03:43] <Joose^> how configure the grub? :S
[03:43] <thenuke> kaffeend: have you read the documents about cedega
[03:43] <kaffeend> FlyingSquirrel32 sorry I only know violent games I'm afraid :s
[03:43] <mjog> but the basic premise is still going around and killing things
[03:43] <kaffeend> thenuke yes but I only speak so much geek
[03:43] <FlyingSquirrel32> kaffeend: I'd like to find something to play with my wife ;-)
[03:44] <thenuke> and did you ask help in the #cedega like you did in here? Just asking for help :) and not really asking a question what matters
[03:44] <jowi> salil, i'm not the right person to ask
[03:44] <kaffeend> yeah, Americas Army
[03:44] <salil> jowi: ah.. okay
[03:44] <jowi> salil, i think you should be able to test if it works by sending it a textstring though. like "echo 'teststring' > /dev/usb/tts/0" or something like that.
[03:44] <Joose^> how configure the grub? :S
[03:44] <kaffeend> you could always port The Sims FlyingSquirrel32
[03:45] <sorush20> guys I'm unable to access the default profile on the thunderbird any help please
[03:45] <thoreauputic> Joose^: to do what? Your question is very general...
[03:46] <kaffeend> thenuke I'm also trying to learn the command line so I'm doing a LOT of reading
[03:46] <thenuke> kaffeend: aha.
[03:46] <Viking76> Joose : your question is very general, but # sudo vi /boot/grub/menu.list will probably help quite a bit.
[03:47] <Viking76> /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:47] <Seveas> sorush20, remove the thunderbird lockfile
[03:47] <Seveas> somewhere in that profile dir
[03:47] <xmastree> hi, new here. Anyone expert with scripts? I have a strange problem...
[03:47] <thoreauputic> Viking76: hmm - perhaps sudo gedit (unless he knows vi) ;)
[03:47] <FlyingSquirrel32> kaffeend: yeah, there must be something lively, and multiplayer with out being violent. Perhaps I'll have to write it :)
[03:48] <dbernar1> xmastree: ask the question, use a pastebin, and so on, to get help better.
[03:48] <xmastree> ? what do you mean?
[03:48] <thenuke> kaffeend: americas army is available for linux itself
[03:48] <thenuke> kaffeend: you dont need cedega
[03:48] <shawarma> xmastree: Just ask your question.
[03:48] <Hildgrim> is there something like the filezilla server for ubunto?
[03:49] <kaffeend> FlyingSquirrel32 if you are serious let me know, as I am modding games at the moment - but using windows for it :s
[03:49] <dbernar1> xmastree: your question is not whethetr someone is an expert. You have a specific question. Ask it. As for a pastebin, that is where you paste stuff. We will likely need to see the script...
[03:49] <kaffeend> thenuke I know that but I want FarCry
[03:49] <xmastree> ok, I have a script, sending a command to a digital camera. The last switch is -a but it isn't being passed to the camera.
[03:49] <FlyingSquirrel32> thenuke: yeah, I'm gonna try Americas Army out, but like I said, its a little too violent for my wife.
[03:49] <xmastree> It's like the -a is affecting the script...
[03:49] <kaffeend> the 64 bit FarCry that is ;)
[03:50] <thoreauputic> xmastree: see /topic for a pastebin
[03:50] <vdm> Why is X broken in breezy?
[03:50] <xmastree> interestingly, in gedit, the -a shows up a different color, like it's a special comand
[03:50] <Seveas> vdm, because daniels broke it :)
[03:50] <vdm> Seems to work perfectly here after building the nv driver :)
[03:50] <vdm> hehe
[03:50] <Joose^> thoreauputic i want to configure the grub and change the time and if is no select the option start with win and not with ubunut
[03:51] <kaffeend> thenuke also, I clicked on the d/load link for americas Army and it took me to a page of text! wtf?
[03:51] <FlyingSquirrel32> kaffeend: why do you prefer farcry over aa?
[03:51] <Seveas> Joose^, than change the lines that start with timeout and defaulkt
[03:51] <kaffeend> FlyingSquirrel because it feels more real basically
[03:51] <FlyingSquirrel32> oh.
[03:51] <kaffeend> you can just jump in and play
[03:52] <kaffeend> none of this basic training bullshit
[03:52] <dbernar1> xmastree well, the gedit is just using some syntax highlighting...
[03:52] <thoreauputic> Joose^: as Viking76 suggested, open /boot/grub/menu.lst with an editor - like sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:52] <FlyingSquirrel32> Hildgrim: what does filezilla do?
[03:52] <thenuke> kaffeend: hmm, a page of text.. let me check my crystal ball of Seeing.. humm.. The spirits wont tell me anything now about screenfuls of text :(
[03:52] <Joose^> ok thanx
[03:52] <Viking76> Hmm.. Don't use breezy yet? I'm running breezy right now without a hitch :)
[03:52] <mgcross> hi all
[03:52] <kaffeend> thenuke hang on plz
[03:52] <Joose^> thoreauputic that its for the terminal not?
[03:53] <xmastree> Yeah, byt why would it highlight -a? the command is like <path>delete -p5 -s5 -a
[03:53] <Viking76> Yeah, Joose.
[03:53] <xmastree> from a terminal it is ok, but within the script it'snot.
[03:53] <mgcross> I'm getting an error running gnomebaker...was forced to install k3b and it worked just fine.....
[03:53] <Joose^> oka ;)
[03:53] <thoreauputic> Joose^: for an easy terminal editor substitute nano for gedit - gedit is a GUI editor
[03:53] <Dr_Fate> java freezes FF at least 4 times a day
[03:53] <setite> i need to know of a super small linux
[03:53] <dbernar1> xmastree: just cause it thinks its something else*
[03:53] <setite> that i can fit on a few floppy discs to run on a really old laptop
[03:54] <Factor[Y] > how to change my hostname?
[03:54] <setite> a DECpc 320
[03:54] <Viking76> You can also to System->Administration->Boot
[03:54] <Viking76> do*
[03:54] <jowi> setite, dsl wont fit on a floppy but it is small and lightning fast
[03:54] <Viking76> Which is probably quite a bit easier :)
[03:54] <philwil> setite: does your old laptop have usb
[03:54] <Dr_Fate> setite, coyote
[03:54] <FlyingSquirrel32> thenuke: I don't see the linux d/load
[03:54] <mgcross> makes me mad, as the last time I ran it (gnomebaker) it worked fine: didn't want to install all those kde things...sigh
[03:54] <philwil> setite: DSL linux is pretty small
[03:54] <setite> no usb
[03:54] <xmastree> well, the script doesn't work, although it works with mdk8.0, so that 'something else' must really be something, no?
[03:54] <dbernar1> *disclaimer. I am not sure, I think uit more likely that it is not at all related to what you are doing, since sybntax highlightingit is using is for php or something, html...who knows. Is it a .sh file?
[03:54] <setite> real small
[03:54] <philwil> setite: DSL (damn small linux)
[03:54] <mgcross> anyone have any experience diagnosing gnomebaker probs?
[03:54] <setite> dsl is 50mb
[03:54] <setite> thats too big
[03:54] <thoreauputic> setite: maybe Tiny Linux
[03:55] <setite> i need an os that iwll run on this thing...
[03:55] <dbernar1> micro bits?
[03:55] <Viking76> LRP?
[03:55] <setite> windows 3.1 size i suppose
[03:55] <Viking76> Linux Router Project
[03:55] <dbernar1> mili, actually
[03:55] <thoreauputic> setite: http://tiny.seul.org/
[03:55] <philwil> setite: you can always boot from floppy and load from ftp
[03:55] <Factor[Y] > how to change my hostname?
[03:56] <dbernar1> xmastree: is it a .sh file?
[03:56] <Viking76> sudo gedit vi /etc/hostname
[03:56] <xmastree> yes, it's a .sh file, executable, other commands work but the one with the -a at the end complains there aren't enough parameters.
[03:56] <Viking76> blah
[03:56] <Viking76> sudo gedit /etc/hostname
[03:56] <concept10> I wish I knew how to turn that nvu tarball to a .deb
[03:56] <Viking76> damn vi is so ingrained i just type it instinctively :)
[03:56] <setite> loading from ftp would be trouble..
[03:56] <dbernar1> ok, I wanna see something, I will be back..
[03:56] <setite> this thing is a doorstop
[03:56] <thoreauputic> Viking76: I see what you mean about habits ;)
[03:56] <omega_> My MPlayer isn't responding... how do I force-quit a program?
[03:56] <setite> but a friend is determined to use it
[03:57] <thoreauputic> setite: I hate to repeat, but Tiny Linux might do it
[03:57] <mgcross> it tells me (gnomebaker) Requested device index [2] is out of bounds. All devices have been read.
[03:57] <FlyingSquirrel32> kaffeend: filecloud.com had it.
[03:57] <znh> does anyone know a flash decompiler?
[03:57] <jowi> setite, HAL91 might be what you are looking for. fits on a single 1.44 mb floppy
[03:57] <dbernar1> xmastree: ya, it does have bash highlighting, gedit does...
[03:57] <omega_> Is there a sort of key combination to force-quit programs with?
[03:57] <kaffeend> FlyingSquirrel32 thanks
[03:57] <kaffeend> I'll check it now
[03:57] <evanpro> omega_, Alt-F4
[03:58] <xmastree> yeah, so what does -a mean in bash that's different from the bash in mandrake 8.0?
[03:58] <evanpro> Or Ctl+C if it's a terminal progrm
[03:58] <omega_> Doesn't work.
[03:58] <evanpro> omega_, it should come up with a msg box
[03:58] <evanpro> If you're really stuck...
[03:58] <jowi> omega_, or xkill (and then click on the app you want to kill)
[03:58] <Viking76> omega_ : it's harsh, but terminal this : ps-ef | grep programname
[03:58] <evanpro> Applications -> Run Application -> type 'xkill'
[03:58] <mgcross> no one with any help?
[03:58] <evanpro> The cursor changes
[03:58] <omega_> Nothing is happening. I'll try Viking's method.
[03:59] <dbernar1> xmastree: well, I would not expect bash to differ from one dfistro to another all that much. /join #bash
[03:59] <evanpro> And you click on the window
[03:59] <Viking76> omega_ : kill -9 <firstnumber> in the line with your app (process number)
[03:59] <omega_> Woah.
[03:59] <omega_> Xkill worked nicely.
[03:59] <kaffeend> can't find it there
[03:59] <kaffeend> damn this
[03:59] <evanpro> Yeah, it's too bad there's not similar functionality built into Gnome
[03:59] <omega_> Thanks.
[03:59] <Viking76> Hmmz. I don't have a Run Application in my Applications Menu. That's strange.
[03:59] <kaffeend> google normally takes me to the best site first
[03:59] <xmastree> me too, but it works on my old system. I want to replace with ub box but can't get this script to run. :-(
[04:00] <dbernar1> xmastree: join #bash, they would likely know.
[04:00] <dbernar1> I am hungry.
[04:00] <xmastree> ok, I'll try there. thanks
[04:00] <Viking76> Then eat something ;)
[04:00] <dbernar1> welcome.
[04:00] <Simonth> I have installed chroot things...(http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575) and have skype installed..I can in a terminal write "chroot /chroot" and then "skype" and skype starts up but how do I make a link/icon to skype on my 64bit desktop?
[04:00] <setite> thanks for the link to tiny linux
[04:00] <znh> /join #linux
[04:00] <setite> it looks like it should do the trick
[04:01] <jowi> setite, i found : http://mulinux.sunsite.dk/
[04:01] <dbernar1> Simonth: is it a gnome desktop?
[04:01] <Simonth> dbernar1, no, KDE (kubuntu)
[04:02] <dbernar1> when you right click on the desktop, what are your options?
[04:02] <Simonth> dbernar1, I know how I make a "link to program" but what should the dir be?
[04:02] <jowi> Simonth, why do you need chroot for skype?
[04:02] <dbernar1> not dir...
[04:02] <Simonth> jowi, there is no 64bit version
[04:02] <jowi> Simonth, oh
[04:02] <dbernar1> you need a command: chroot /chroot && skype
[04:02] <Derkommissar> Hello
[04:02] <dbernar1> *I think
[04:02] <dbernar1> yo
[04:02] <Simonth> okay, I try
[04:03] <Simonth> jowi, the debian package dosent work..
[04:03] <Simonth> jowi, , from skype's homepage..it is saying that it is the wrong..dist or something, not to amd64 but only to i386..
[04:03] <dbernar1> Simonth: did you get my idea?
[04:03] <jowi> Simonth, yeah i understand
[04:03] <TenPlus1> hi folks...
[04:03] <TenPlus1> any network experts in today ???
[04:04] <jowi> TenPlus1, ask a specific question
[04:04] <setite> any know how to work cedega with ubuntu hoary 64
[04:04] <Simonth> dbernar1, yes.."chroot /chroot && skype" ..should I type that in "arbejdssti"(Dont know what it is on english)?..I have try but it wont work
[04:04] <thoreauputic> TenPlus1: everyone just ran away - asking for an expert is the kiss of death ;)
[04:04] <setite> i cant get it to work under chroot or forced arch
[04:04] <Simonth> dbernar1, , "kommando"*
[04:04] <setite> point2play runs... but the installer for a game freezes
[04:04] <cyphase> is anyone here running a gnutella node?
[04:04] <dbernar1> I dont know, Simonth , you need to make an application launcher, and when it asks which command to run, type that in.
[04:05] <TenPlus1> Q.) I have Firestarter installed to share the internet connection through my wlan0 card using a static up address, it connects ok but nothing is getting through, any ideas ???
[04:05] <TenPlus1> lol @ thor
[04:06] <Simonth> dbernar1, Okay. Thanks I try...
[04:06] <dbernar1> welcome.
[04:06] <dbernar1> TenPlus1: what?
[04:06] <pekka> Does mplayer mozilla plugin work fine with everyone else? If i try to go to http://<insert some website here>/something.wmv the plugin starts downloading the video, when it is ready it halts and goes unresponsive
[04:06] <dbernar1> TenPlus1: say that again, with more info.
[04:06] <dbernar1> Like, it connects? does that mean you get an IP on the other computer?
[04:06] <sorush20> guys.. I've tried to remove the lock file in the profile... built its a link to another file... but I can't find where it is linking.. to can anyone help please.. I keep getting the message that the default user is in use... but that can't be with Thunderbird since I'm the default user ... and I'm not using the default user... I've tried kill all of all the mozilla-thunderbird processes.. but its not use.. I either... select t
[04:06] <TenPlus1> I just finished installing my wireless pci card and the driver using ndiswrapper...
[04:07] <Chaotic_Shield> TenPlus1, restart.
[04:07] <dbernar1> pekka: why not download the file, and watch it in a media player.
[04:07] <TenPlus1> everything works ok and using firestarter I'm sharing my internet connection on lan0 through wlan0 so my winxp laptop can get online
[04:07] <TenPlus1> ..but.. it seems to connects ok although noything it getting to the laptop packet wise#
[04:07] <Chaotic_Shield> does Ubuntu have a Remote Desktop system of somekind already installed?
[04:08] <Derkommissar> i have a problem..... im trying to start gome and i get an error message that it died under 10 senconds and i get kicked out, i press detail and it says it could not access the Iceauthority file
[04:08] <Derkommissar> can anyone help me with this ?
[04:08] <jowi> Chaotic_Shield, yes.
[04:08] <Chaotic_Shield> :)
[04:08] <jowi> Chaotic_Shield, it is called vino-server
[04:08] <Chaotic_Shield> happy happy happy.
[04:08] <Chaotic_Shield> It have a client installed by default?
[04:08] <Chaotic_Shield> or should I apt-get vino-client
[04:08] <pekka> dbernar1, i guess that is what i gotta do, but that kind of takes out the fun frm the word "plugin"
[04:08] <jowi> Chaotic_Shield, yes: tsclient
[04:08] <thoreauputic> Derkommissar: rm ~/.ICEauthority, then login again
[04:08] <TenPlus1> dbernar1: any ideas ?
[04:09] <Chaotic_Shield> sweet
[04:09] <jowi> Chaotic_Shield, vino-server is installed by default
[04:09] <setite> .ICEauthority is evil
[04:09] <setite> it had my ubuntu broke for a week after installing that cd burner program
[04:09] <jowi> Chaotic_Shield, type: vino-preferences to set it up
[04:09] <dbernar1> I still dont have info.
[04:09] <thoreauputic> setite: heh - he left anyway :S
[04:09] <dbernar1> DO you get an IP address on the other computer?
[04:10] <Chaotic_Shield> yay!
[04:10] <Chaotic_Shield> That means I can save money on a keyboard and mouse
[04:10] <setite> yea... when i see the word ICEauthority i wanna cry...
[04:10] <Chaotic_Shield> and a monitro.
[04:10] <Chaotic_Shield> monitor*
[04:10] <jowi> Chaotic_Shield, there should also be a menu item for it but since i do not run gnome i do not remember where it is located.
[04:10] <setite> it reminds me of the pain of mixing KDE apps with GNOME
[04:10] <Chaotic_Shield> I found it jowi
[04:10] <Chaotic_Shield> d0000000d
[04:10] <TenPlus1> the XP laptop is setup for DCHP so it'll (hopefully) auto-detect my wireless card on either my WinXP or Ubuntu dual boot
[04:10] <Chaotic_Shield> happy happy happy.
[04:11] <BB> Hi there?
[04:11] <Chaotic_Shield> now
[04:11] <Chaotic_Shield> to listen to m00sic!
[04:11] <jowi> Chaotic_Shield, vino-server uses VNC btw. so to connect from a win box you need realvnc or something. to connect to a windowsbox from tsclient set it to rdp
[04:11] <dbernar1> TenPlus1: ok, well, you run firestarter, set up for IP connection sharing, in Ubuntu. THat box is online. YOu have also what?
[04:11] <Chaotic_Shield> heh
[04:12] <Chaotic_Shield> I'm just going to run Ubuntu <-> Ubuntu
[04:12] <Chaotic_Shield> Because Ubuntu > Windows
[04:12] <highvoltage> damn straight!
[04:12] <jowi> Chaotic_Shield, then you do not need anymore help :-)
[04:12] <Chaotic_Shield> exactly :-P
[04:12] <sorush20> guys.. i have a problem with Kubuntu.. the kDE doesn't show that exact size of the folder... forexample my homefolder is showing as only 4 KB in size where as infact there is about 15 GB of data on that folder.. can any on hellp..
[04:12] <TenPlus1> dbernar1: firestarter is running and setup with 192.168.0.1 / 255.255.255.0 static ip and sharing internet ON...
[04:12] <dbernar1> ssh into it.ok, do you have dhcpd3 installed?
[04:12] <TenPlus1> the WinXP laptop detects the wireless card ok but fails to connect internet or shared files... I cant even ping
[04:12] <dbernar1> not ssh, disregard that.
[04:13] <frank_> sorush20: right click properties for the folder
[04:13] <jowi> sorush20, the size of the "folder" is not larger than that. but the "contents of the folder" is 15 gb :-)
[04:13] <dbernar1> TenPlus1: go see if you have anh IP address on the XP, too. But not if you dont have the dhcpd3-server installed on ubuntu.
[04:13] <Chaotic_Shield> oh mama!
[04:13] <Chaotic_Shield> 13GB of music, here I come!
[04:13] <vitriol> isn't alsa-conf supposed to be a part of alsa-utils ?
[04:13] <BB> IS anyone can tell how to connect on the Internet throught Ubuntu
[04:13] <ekimus> hi, how do i get the list of all packages installed with apt-get/dpkg?
[04:13] <TenPlus1> dbernar1: XP choses 198.162.0.2 as an ip when the cards connect...
[04:14] <vitriol> i can't seem to use the alsa-conf command
[04:14] <TenPlus1> er... 192.168.0.2 ... sorry
[04:14] <Seveas> dpkg -l | egrep '^ii'
[04:14] <sorush20> but I want to be able to see the size of the contents... afterall.. all folder will look the same if that is the default..
[04:14] <Seveas> or: dpkg --get-selctions
[04:14] <Chaotic_Shield> d00000000
[04:14] <Chaotic_Shield> Plus System 2win.
[04:14] <dbernar1> TenPlus1: so then a dhcp server is installed on ubuntu?
[04:15] <jowi> Chaotic_Shield, since i have a broken back atm i am sitting in the sofa with a laptop controlling my main comp through ssh. playing music of course and with alsamixer open in case i need to adjust the volume :-)
[04:15] <BB> I just install the Ubuntu only
[04:15] <Chaotic_Shield> :)
[04:15] <Chaotic_Shield> nice
[04:15] <jowi> Chaotic_Shield, that is sweet too
[04:15] <Chaotic_Shield> very nice
[04:15] <TenPlus1> no... I've told Firestarter and wlan0 network settings to use 192.168.0.1 as static ip no... I'm leaving the auto-detecting to WinXP so it can chose it's own number to suit
[04:15] <vitriol> i have two sound cards running (well one is a tv tuner actually) and it's defaulting to the one i'm not using. anybody know how to change this?
[04:15] <vitriol> i currently have no sound
[04:16] <dbernar1> TenPlus1: do you absolutely need the IP to be static on XP?
[04:16] <BB> IS anyone can tell how to connect on the Internet throught Ubuntu?
[04:16] <jowi> vitriol, easiest solution: turn off the one you don't use in the bios
[04:16] <dbernar1> in any case, go read wiki.ubuntu.com and search for connection sharing, or ip forwarding.
[04:16] <TenPlus1> dbernar... the ip is static on ubuntu, WinXP is dchp to chose it's own
[04:16] <Chaotic_Shield> hey, Rythymbox does iPod support?
[04:16] <Chaotic_Shield> YES
[04:16] <Chaotic_Shield> w00t
[04:16] <Chaotic_Shield> I love you Linux
[04:17] <Slipaway172> linux isnt a person
[04:17] <vitriol> jowi: in the past i could just run alsaconf and it would let me select the card i wanted to use...but there is no alsaconf utility present (i thought it was part of alsa-utils)
[04:17] <apokryphos> Chaotic_Shield: does it sync all tracks prperly too? Cool, didn't know that.
[04:17] <Chaotic_Shield> who cares!
[04:17] <Slipaway172> linus is a person so love him
[04:17] <Chaotic_Shield> apokryphos, I haven't tried yet.
[04:17] <dbernar1> ok, then, you need the dhcp server. TenPlus1 part of the page you will get, the latter part was written by me. THe first part I have not tested on ubuntu, but is how I use IP forwarding on this debian.
[04:17] <Chaotic_Shield> Am now.
[04:17] <apokryphos> Chaotic_Shield: amaroK does, btw.
[04:17] <Chaotic_Shield> fuck
[04:17] <Chaotic_Shield> ermm.
[04:17] <Chaotic_Shield> f00k.
[04:17] <Chaotic_Shield> my bad
[04:18] <dbernar1> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/forum/hardware/InternetConectionSharing?highlight=%28connection%29%7C%28sharing%29 in case you did not find it yet.
[04:18] <Chaotic_Shield> I forgot my USB cable, only got the firewire one here.
[04:18] <ice04> Hi all total newbie here
[04:18] <Slipaway172> fookmi and fookyu
[04:18] <Chaotic_Shield> lol
[04:18] <dbernar1> W00t new3bie!!
[04:18] <Chaotic_Shield> n00bs2win
[04:18] <ice04> i want access my ubuntu box remotely how do i enable port 22 for ssh
[04:18] <TenPlus1> thx dbernar1... will give it a look see
[04:18] <apokryphos> ice04: it's already done! Ubuntu doesn't block any ports by default
[04:18] <Chaotic_Shield> ice04, open a terminal and type vino-preferences
[04:19] <Chaotic_Shield> that enables the remote desktop system
[04:19] <dbernar1> apokryphos: ...
[04:19] <dbernar1> apokryphos: sorry.
[04:19] <dbernar1> ice04: did you install the ssh server?
[04:19] <ice04> it says cannot open display - vino-prefrences
[04:19] <ice04> GTK warning
[04:20] <Chaotic_Shield> hm.
[04:20] <ice04> ssh server ??
[04:20] <dbernar1> ice04: in every connection to a remote computer, there is a server()the one you connect to) and a c lient(one you connect from).
[04:20] <Chaotic_Shield> vino is remote desktop.
[04:20] <Chaotic_Shield> heh
[04:20] <Chaotic_Shield> lets go to 1^2
[04:20] <Chaotic_Shield> what do you want? SSH or Remote Desktop?
[04:20] <dbernar1> the serving computer needs a server application running.
[04:21] <ice04> ok i am using putty to connect to ubuntu
[04:21] <dbernar1> sudo aptitude search openssh-server will find the server. If it has an i beside it it is installed.
[04:21] <ice04> when i nmap the box there are no ports open
[04:21] <ice04> i need to SSH into the ubuntu server
[04:21] <dbernar1> sudo aptitude install openssh-server will install the server in case there is a p beside the name from the search.
[04:21] <Chaotic_Shield> ok
[04:21] <Chaotic_Shield> heh.
[04:22] <kaffeend> okay I'm d/loading America's Army from Filecloud.com FlyingSquirrel32
[04:22] <kaffeend> thanks bud
[04:22] <dbernar1> ice04: get what you need to do, if you follow me?
[04:22] <Chaotic_Shield> anyone here like hard dance?
[04:22] <sorush20> guys.. why is it that all my emails with in my thunderbird profile is packed into just one html file.. all together... and the folder that is called inbox.sbd is empty...
[04:22] <dbernar1> you almost made me swear./..
[04:22] <Chaotic_Shield> yes.
[04:22] <Chaotic_Shield> soft dance == techno
[04:23] <dbernar1> and hard?
[04:23] <ice04> ok dbernar1
[04:23] <Chaotic_Shield> hard dance == rave!
[04:23] <sproingie> house maybe?
[04:23] <Chaotic_Shield> \o/
[04:23] <kaffeend> trance lol
[04:23] <Chaotic_Shield> nah
[04:23] <Chaotic_Shield> house is wimpy.
[04:23] <dbernar1> youre a newb it seems to me, Chaotic_Shield .
[04:23] <ice04> yes total newbie
[04:23] <dbernar1> to the electronic thing.
[04:23] <sproingie> Chaotic_Shield: don't be a genre bigot
[04:23] <Chaotic_Shield> heh
[04:23] <kaffeend> psy-trance
[04:23] <dbernar1> I dance much harder to techno than some wimpy terance/hardcore/"rave"
[04:23] <Chaotic_Shield> heh
[04:24] <ice04> ??
[04:24] <dbernar1> ice04: do you know what to do now?
[04:24] <sproingie> used to collect a lot of techno of all stripes, dont buy much music now tho
[04:24] <kaffeend> anyone hear Shpongle?
[04:24] <Chaotic_Shield> I like Apollo, Milo, Gammer, Dougal, Scott Brown, Hixxy, etc.
[04:24] <Chaotic_Shield> I don't buy music.
[04:24] <Chaotic_Shield> Canada == free music
[04:24] <Chaotic_Shield> :)
[04:24] <ice04> still trying
[04:24] <sproingie> ah, so basically artists work for free when it comes to you
[04:24] <thoreauputic> guys, #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:25] <Chaotic_Shield> yes sproingie
[04:25] <dbernar1> ok, sudo aptitude install openssh-server
[04:25] <ice04> yes i want to ssh into the ubuntu box
[04:25] <Chaotic_Shield> but I haven't gotten music in a long time.
[04:25] <ice04> ok hold
[04:25] <Chaotic_Shield> like a LONG time.
[04:25] <dbernar1> that will install the server for you, and it most likely will owrk after that, unless you have ports blocked by a router, or something.
[04:25] <kaffeend> I like buying music coz you get the case, and the sleeve, with pics and stuff and discographies etc
[04:25] <sproingie> not gettin into this anyway, gettin way off channel topic
[04:25] <thoreauputic> ice04: the ubuntu box needs openssh-server installed
[04:25] <dbernar1> Certainly, I will be right here.
[04:25] <ortox> guys, why won't ecasounds icon show up in the menu?
[04:25] <dbernar1> :D
[04:25] <ice04> sorry i dont have a cdrom drive is it possible to install from an ftp mirror
[04:25] <ortox> i did the menu update and still didnt show
[04:25] <TenPlus1> dbernarl: firestarter doesnt like the dhcp setting... it doesnt work with it ON
[04:25] <dbernar1> ortox: what way dd you install it?
[04:25] <ortox> through synaptic
[04:26] <dbernar1> TenPlus1: well, what exactly did you do so far? You can type out a pastebin, if you want, to collect it all together.
[04:26] <ortox> ???
[04:26] <ortox> im a noob to this
[04:26] <Chaotic_Shield> who here has any of the Bonkers albums?
[04:26] <ice04> from cd-rom but i dont have the drive anymore
[04:26] <jowi> vitriol, ok: tough solution. gnome uses esd. you could kill esd + in gnome settings tell sound-server not to start + go to "gnome -> system -> prefs -> Multimedia system selector" output = custom. Pipeline = "alsasink device=hw:1" (default is hw:0)
[04:27] <TenPlus1> dbernarl: I turned on dhcp in firestarter which refused to work , then tried the steps on the link u gave me, which didnt work cause ipmasq wasnt installed, and It wont let me install it cause the package is broken
[04:27] <ortox> dbernal: is there another app like ecasound? ill try it instead
[04:29] <dbernar1> ortox: well, you can add iconsd to yiour menus manualy...
[04:29] <Chaotic_Shield> bah
[04:29] <Kyral> !lart PeepingToms
[04:29] <ortox> how?
[04:29] <Chaotic_Shield> I now have to go set up a wireless router into an AP only.
[04:29] <Chaotic_Shield> f***.
[04:29] <ortox> i didnt know that
[04:29] <loorni> I am trying to install elinks and it keeps saying i dont have some libs are there any program witch downloads missing libs?
[04:29] <dbernar1> is there something I should know about ecasound? hehe, I dont know what it does, so I cant tell you what is like it...
[04:29] <setite> so no one has gotten point2play or cedega working on ubuntu 64
[04:29] <ortox> it is a music editor and recorder
[04:30] <dbernar1> ok, use that then.
[04:30] <setite> i mean i followed a guide and it was a no go
[04:30] <dbernar1> Hm...to add an item.
[04:30] <ortox> use what? ecasound?
[04:30] <dbernar1> smeg?
[04:30] <Chaotic_Shield> Anyone know if you can get Fruity Loops working on Linux?
[04:30] <ortox> smeg...
[04:30] <dbernar1> ya, use ecasound, I have no clue if ther eis something else...
[04:30] <ortox> ok
[04:30] <dbernar1> smeg, ya.
[04:30] <ortox> whats smeg
[04:30] <dbernar1> !smeg
[04:30] <ubotu> rumour has it, smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[04:30] <sproingie> Chaotic_Shield: one way to find out
[04:30] <ortox> do i install it?
[04:30] <ortox> through synatic?
[04:31] <Chaotic_Shield> sproingie, does that mean I have to install wine and try running it?
[04:31] <dbernar1> ortox: ubotu told you.
[04:31] <ortox> ok
[04:31] <thoreauputic> ortox: no, use the script from http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/
[04:31] <Factor[Y] > would it be senceless to instal some anti-virus on linux?
[04:31] <ortox> ok
[04:31] <thoreauputic> Factor[Y] : yes
[04:31] <Chaotic_Shield> Factor[Y] , heh.
[04:31] <Chaotic_Shield> I don't think there IS an AV for Linux.
[04:31] <thingfish> sure there is.
[04:32] <thingfish> clamav, for one.
[04:32] <dbernar1> thoreauputic: does smeg add icons at all? i think it does.
[04:32] <ortox> lets see if this works
[04:32] <dbernar1> thingfish: nice nick.
[04:32] <fng> clamav
[04:32] <thingfish> and then some big retail company released a linux version of its antivirus app yesterday.
[04:32] <setite> hey whats the syntax to join another network simultaneously..,,. i forgot
[04:32] <thoreauputic> Chaotic_Shield: there are several, but they sre pointless unless you are for example filtering mail for windows users
[04:32] <thingfish> thanks, dbernar1.
[04:32] <Factor[Y] > i have heard for some AV for linux but i'm not shure for installating it on my linuxbox
[04:32] <dbernar1> welcome.
[04:33] <thoreauputic> dbernar1: yes, you can choose icons in smeg IIRC
[04:33] <ortox> im at the link.. noww what
[04:33] <sproingie> setite: usually /server. whether it disconnects you from this one depends on your app
[04:33] <setite> there is a command
[04:33] <ortox> where
[04:33] <thoreauputic> Factor[Y] : see my answer to Chaotic_Shield - you don't need it
[04:33] <rts23> anyone here know how to get quake2 working in ubuntu?
[04:33] <setite> its /server -someletter irc.server.com
[04:33] <[Spooky] > Hello i need the webpage for the ATI install anyone ??
[04:33] <Chaotic_Shield> yeah
[04:33] <Chaotic_Shield> Google.
[04:34] <sproingie> !binarydriverhowto
[04:34] <ubotu> well, binarydriverhowto is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto or ask !Display !Resolution !ati !nvidia Please use /msg <your_question> to avoid flooding the channel
[04:34] <sproingie> !at
[04:34] <ubotu> sproingie: I don't know, could you explain it?
[04:34] <sproingie> er
[04:34] <sproingie> anyway, ask da bot
[04:34] <Chaotic_Shield> crap
[04:34] <Chaotic_Shield> FL no workies.
[04:34] <Chaotic_Shield> Oh well
[04:34] <Chaotic_Shield> guess Windows stays then.
[04:35] <ortox> put the script in terminal?
[04:35] <TenPlus1> Does anyone know of a step-by-step idiot's guide to sharing an internet connection through an ad-hoc wireless system ???
[04:35] <ekimus> when remastering the live disc what stuff can i clean up to free some space.
[04:35] <rts23> i've installed the debian packages for quake2 and quake2-data, but the game doesn't start, anyone got any ideas?
[04:35] <TheSin> morning gents
[04:36] <ortox> bye giuys
[04:36] <thoreauputic> ortox: you can run the script from a terminal with sh scriptname (unless it is python or something )
[04:38] <jowi> rts23, you also need the original game
[04:38] <sproingie> jowi: there's free data you can download. it's not that good, but it works
[04:38] <BB> Hi Regeya
[04:38] <jowi> sproingie, i have not tried those
[04:39] <rts23> jowi, i have it, it's all installed, but oddly the process seems to crash while loading the sound driver
[04:39] <sproingie> rts23: did you download any of the free data? all quake2-data does is point quake2 at the data you have
[04:39] <sproingie> rts23: killall esd and try again
[04:39] <jowi> rts23, oh that's a different problem then. killall esd
[04:39] <thoreauputic> rts23: run killall esd before launching it
[04:39] <jowi> sproingie, beet me to it :-)
[04:39] <rts23> thanks folks, will try!
[04:39] <jowi> beet=beat
[04:39] <randy> Hello All.
[04:39] <sproingie> it's a rarity. what is it with esd anyway?
[04:40] <Whistler> how do i enable bigger resoliution?
[04:40] <Whistler> in xorg.conf?
[04:40] <sproingie> i hate to slag off raster, but it seems gnome should get busy dumping *all* his stuff
[04:40] <thoreauputic> sproingie: some apps (games in particular) don't understand esd
[04:40] <randy> What state is the Breezy at these days. I'm thinking of trying today's daily build.
[04:40] <jowi> esd is good but it does conflict with million sound progs
[04:40] <jowi> skype hate esd as well :-)
[04:40] <thoreauputic> randy: /topic
[04:41] <regeya> wait wait wait...someone thinks esd is raster's?
[04:41] <sproingie> thoreauputic: it seems most don't. that esd interferes so badly with so many things and has no bypass mechanism is the problem
[04:41] <sproingie> regeya: enlightened ... i assumed
[04:41] <regeya> do your homework, kiddo...
[04:41] <thoreauputic> sproingie: agreed - I use dmix and disable esd totally
[04:41] <regeya> esd was originally written by an enlightenment zealot iirc
[04:41] <Simonth> Whistler, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:42] <sproingie> so much out of enlightenment is full of bling, but as stable as jello
[04:42] <jowi> regeya, esd is still in use for e17
[04:42] <regeya> you know those enlightenment zealots--all cycles must be devoted to candy
[04:42] <sproingie> actually enlightenment does a gread job with those cycles. very fast code
[04:42] <sproingie> of course it leaks memory like a sieve
[04:42] <jowi> regeya, you should try e17. it is amazing and use no hw accel
[04:43] <sproingie> jowi: last i looked, e17 didnt even alt-tab
[04:43] <regeya> I used an earlier e17, though iirc it's been rewritten since then
[04:43] <regeya> I gave up years ago on enlightenment.
[04:43] <regeya> raster has some awwesome ideas though.
[04:43] <jowi> regeya, installed the latest cvs two weeks ago. they have great ideas. i hope they will succees within my lifetime
[04:43] <jowi> regeya, haha, yea
[04:44] <sproingie> i doubt it. fast code does not always mean good code
[04:44] <regeya> spoken like a CS major.
[04:44] <sproingie> spoken like someone who doesn't like memory leaks
[04:44] <regeya> heh
[04:44] <regeya> true
[04:45] <jowi> but its a neat project though
[04:45] <regeya> please understand; my prejudices are thanks to meeting people who can look at code that doesn't leak, runs fast as all get-out, works fine, yet isn't good code because it isn't elegant.
[04:45] <regeya> sorry if I jumped to the wrong conclusion. :-}
[04:46] <thoreauputic> regeya: elegance is old-school these days ;)
[04:46] <thoreauputic> *g*
[04:47] <jowi> thoreauputic, brute-force is more fun
[04:47] <sproingie> regeya: i like elegance too, and tend to slow down my own code for it
[04:48] <sproingie> regeya: i recognize that real world code is usually ugly
[04:48] <sproingie> mostly because system interfaces are ugly, and they're ugly because OS's are ugly
[04:48] <sproingie> and OS's are ugly because hardware is ugly
[04:48] <wolverian> except Apple. :)
[04:49] <sproingie> naw, they're a pretty face on ugly hardware
[04:49] <sproingie> lisp machines had some fairly non-ugly hardware. pointer tagging ferinstance
[04:49] <sproingie> but the rest of 'em ... uuuuugly
[04:49] <Jay_uk> hi guys
[04:51] <DVSoftware> hmm... my laptop isn't ugly
[04:52] <jowi> DVSoftware, mine is (Gericom thing. never heard of them before it was bought) :)
[04:52] <sproingie> ugly isn't about looks, it's about function
[04:53] <sproingie> hardware is usually a pile of hack upon hack, done to keep costs down
[04:54] <DVSoftware> jowi, hp compaq nx9105 (amd64) here, bought it yesterday
[04:54] <Seveas> hp laptopc are nice
[04:54] <jowi> amd64 LAPTOP?
[04:54] <thoreauputic> sproingie: on the other hand, an errorless hard drive would cost thousands...
[04:54] <rob> Hello all
[04:54] <jowi> DVSoftware, i'm impressed
[04:55] <jowi> hi rob
[04:55] <DVSoftware> jowi, yeah
[04:56] <sproingie> thoreauputic: actually it'd be nearly impossible. spinning plates of metal is kinda grungy tech when you get down to it
[04:56] <teferi> morning all...anyone know what the magic incantation to pass to the kernel to enable inotify is? it seems to not be just "inotify" anymore... (breezy, the latest 2.6.12-6 kernel)
[04:56] <DVSoftware> cool and quiet technology
[04:56] <sproingie> thoreauputic: if it were all solid state tho, it'd cost piles of money
[04:57] <rob> I have a problem with my add/remove programs in system tools. When I start it all it does is sit there with a busy icon. Any suggestions I looked at the guides and the net and have not found anything on this problem.
[04:57] <teferi> it seems to be completely undocumented, as far as i can tell
[04:57] <DVSoftware> sproingie, it's not impossible, they just have to eliminate all moveable parts
[04:57] <_SWAT_> I used started using SCITE and wanted to tweak the colors. Now I edited the properties file, but it doesn't 'use' my colours. Any ideas?
[04:57] <DVSoftware> flash memory and such things
[04:58] <sproingie> DVSoftware: not that i'd call that a "drive" then
[04:58] <Whistler> grrr.
[04:58] <Whistler> bastard who told me to reconfigure xorg
[04:58] <sproingie> i guess drive will be one of those archaic words that sticks around after the technology goes away
[04:58] <Whistler> now my ati drives wont work
[04:58] <sproingie> kinda like how we still call memory "core"
[04:58] <BB> Is any one can help me. My mouse pointer doen'st stay at the same place it is hard to control and use
[04:58] <teferi> anyone?
[04:59] <_SWAT_> Whistler, just use the ATI installer/drivers from the site (www.ati.com) and then you follow the readme or something (it worked for me)
[04:59] <thoreauputic> _SWAT_: from memory, it has both global and per-user files for those things - I havn'e used it for a while but I seem to recall it has pretty comprehensive help
[04:59] <Whistler> _SWAT_ i had to reinstall kernel
[04:59] <Whistler> can anybody tell me where xorg conf is located/
[04:59] <_SWAT_> thoreauputic, it has. But I edit the config file (global properties) and then somehow they won't use the config :-s
[05:00] <Simonth> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:00] <Whistler> i am going to to this by hand
[05:00] <Whistler> thx
[05:00] <gregg_> Whistler: /etc/X11
[05:00] <thoreauputic> _SWAT_: hmm - don't know then
[05:00] <_SWAT_> Whistler, everytime you install another kernel you NEED to reinstall the graphics drivers (because they are plugged into the kernel)
[05:00] <gregg_> ATI drivers are teh crap, btw .)
[05:01] <DekaPink> Hey all~ It's me again... My Ubuntu is all fixed up good as new. :D Anyhoo... I was wondering if it really matters all that much if a CD doesn't fixate or whatever. :3
[05:01] <sproingie> ati drivers are fine for what they do ... which ain't that much
[05:01] <sproingie> they're stable these days tho
[05:01] <Whistler> BusID "PCI:1:0:0"
[05:01] <_SWAT_> sproingie, they ARE stable, but that says it all
[05:01] <Whistler> can i change this to agp?
[05:01] <_SWAT_> performance-wise..... don't get me started
[05:02] <DekaPink> The ATI drivers didn't like me.
[05:02] <Derkommissar> For some reason gnome doesnt start for a user, i created a second user and i can log on to it with no problem,,,, when it dies it says something about the ICEauthority
[05:02] <sproingie> DekaPink: as i understand it, if you don't fixate a cdrw, the write doesn't take
[05:02] <Derkommissar> can anyone help me ?
[05:02] <gregg_> the DRI drivers are even better (performance) ;-)
[05:02] <lukus001> Can somone help me? I've had several files now that, when i ./configure and go to install it says "No targets specified and no makefile found". but there is
[05:02] <thoreauputic> Derkommissar: blow the file away - sudo rm ~/.ICEauthority
[05:02] <thoreauputic> Derkommissar: then login again
[05:02] <thoreauputic> Derkommissar: it regenerates
[05:03] <sproingie> gregg_: the ati drivers use DRI
[05:03] <LowBit> what is sudo?
[05:03] <adamb100> hello
[05:03] <thoreauputic> !sudo
[05:03] <DekaPink> sproingie: My CDs always seem to fail while fixating... and the CDs seem to work. ^^ I just don't know what to do about it. Hehe.
[05:03] <ubotu> sudo is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:03] <rob> Problem with add/remove applications. anybody able to help?
[05:03] <LowBit> cheer
[05:03] <gregg_> sproingie: i'm talking about the OSS drivers
[05:03] <sproingie> gregg_: the r300 driver? that gotten usable yet?
[05:04] <adamb100> I kinda broke Ubuntu when I installed a new kernel. It freezes after the gnome splash
[05:04] <lukus001> Can somone help me please? i've downloaded several file now and i cant exicute "make" in the consol because ./configure isnt create any makefile?
[05:04] <gregg_> sproingie: I've heard it's half as fast as the driver from ATI
[05:04] <sproingie> gregg_: that sounds pretty slow still
[05:05] <Whistler> http://pastebin.com/329240
[05:05] <sproingie> gregg_: good to know there's alternatives tho
[05:05] <Whistler> any ideas how to make ati work again?
[05:05] <thoreauputic> lukus001: have you installed build-essential ?
[05:05] <lukus001> thoreuptic sudo apt-get install build-essential ? ill go test
[05:05] <LowBit> *cheers
[05:06] <Oniano|iBook> any gnome experts here?
[05:06] <Oniano|iBook> got a little startup problem
[05:06] <lukus001> thoreuputic: build-essential is already the newest version.
[05:06] <Oniano|iBook> whenever gnome starts-up, post startup scripts stage
[05:06] <Oniano|iBook> nautilus and gnome-panel just keep quiting
[05:06] <thoreauputic> lukus001: OK - just checking
[05:07] <Oniano|iBook> can anybody tell me where to look for errors?
[05:07] <shawarma> Oniano|iBook: $HOME/.xsession-errors perhaps
[05:07] <thoreauputic> lukewarm: does ./configure complete without errors?
[05:07] <Oniano|iBook> shawarma, cheers
[05:07] <rob> I am having problems with add/remove applications. ANyone able to help or point me in the right direction?
[05:07] <shawarma> rob: Define problems.
[05:08] <Oniano|iBook> "** (gnome-cups-icon:14178): WARNING **: failed request with status 1030"
[05:08] <thoreauputic> lukus001: sorry that post @ lukewarm was for you
[05:08] <Oniano|iBook> shawarma, any ideas?
[05:08] <lukus001> thoreuputic: ./configure seam flawless if you meant that to me (you saod lukewarm) lol
[05:08] <thoreauputic> lukus001: lazy tab-complete ;)
[05:09] <rob> When I start the application it normally complies a list of applications and you wait witha busy pointer. However now when I start it all it does is sit with a busy pointer and dose not display a list.
[05:09] <Kyral> You know you use the console too much when you try to tab complete everywhere
[05:09] <thoreauputic> apologies to lukewarm , wherever you are
[05:10] <thoreauputic> Kyral: I try to tab-complete entries at bank teller machines ;)
[05:10] <lukus001> thoreuputic: well i cant see any errors, but when its "checking for" <somthing> a lot come up as no
[05:10] <shawarma> Oniano|iBook: Have you rebooted since the problem started?
[05:10] <Kyral> thoreauputic, lol
[05:10] <TheSin> Sweet Jtunes4 works for playing itunes shares on ubuntu
[05:10] <TheSin> thanks to all that helped me getting it running
[05:10] <thoreauputic> Kyral: I think I need counselling...
[05:11] <Kyral> lukus001, its normal
[05:11] <lukus001> Kyral: but it's not making a "makefile" for me
[05:11] <Kyral> oh..
[05:11] <Kyral> then its getting a critical error
[05:11] <Kyral> WTF are you trying to compile anyway?
[05:12] <lukus001> kyral: unoffical version of crystal space ver0.99
[05:12] <lukus001> done it in debug mode "config.status: WARNING: failed to create makefile emulation layer
[05:12] <lukus001> "
[05:12] <Oniano|iBook> shawarma, is the fact i'm using kernel 2.4 a problem,?
[05:12] <Kyral> ain't that for PlaneShift?
[05:13] <shawarma> Oniano|iBook: Hmm... Maybe. Why are you using 2.4?
[05:13] <lukus001> kyral: yes, im trying to build it from CVS kinda... so i can play... they upgraded but no linux install yet only windows
[05:13] <Oniano|iBook> shawarma, because i started off with a debian base
[05:13] <Oniano|iBook> then dist-upgraded
[05:14] <thoreauputic> Oniano|iBook: ubuntu uses all kinds of 2.6 features - I don't think 2.4 will cut it
[05:14] <shawarma> Oniano|iBook: Oh. That was a pretty valuable piece of information.
[05:14] <Kyral> lukus001, ick CVS
[05:14] <Kyral> that stuff is bleeding edge
[05:14] <lukus001> bleeding edge? yes?
[05:14] <Oniano|iBook> shawarma, ubuntu installer disk has a problem with my SATA
[05:14] <Oniano|iBook> installer just hangs
[05:14] <thoreauputic> Oniano|iBook: apt-cache search linux-image << choose one for your CPU
[05:14] <shawarma> Oniano|iBook: You could go ahead and upgrade to 2.6 and see if it solves it.
[05:14] <Kyral> lukus001, you know what bleeding edge is, right?
[05:14] <Seveas> Oniano|iBook, kernel 2.4 will NOT work with ubuntu
[05:14] <Oniano|iBook> ok, i'll see if their 2.6 images will work
[05:15] <Oniano|iBook> Seveas, cheers
[05:15] <lukus001> kyral: im just trying to get the game to run lol... so no... somone said to get the 0.99 ver of crystal space.. and that seam to have had it
[05:15] <lukus001> kryal: i though bleeding edge is just a code name for a devlopment files?
[05:16] <deFrysk> bluding edge , cutting edge etc
[05:16] <Kyral> its a general term that means the most experimental version of something
[05:16] <deFrysk> bleeding*
[05:16] <thoreauputic> lukus001: it means if it breaks you get to keep both pieces ;)
[05:16] <lukus001> Kryal: yes, i asumed it was a nice firendly unstabl ver
[05:17] <Whistler> how do i rename file in terminall?
[05:17] <Whistler> rn?
[05:17] <Kyral> Whistler, mv
[05:17] <thoreauputic> Whistler: mv file newname
[05:17] <thoreauputic> Whistler: ie. mv olfilename newfilename
[05:17] <[Spooky] > man im having trouble in mounting a cd-r... i use "sudo mount -t iso9660 /media/cdrom0" am i doing it wrong ?
[05:17] <Kyral> lukus001, if its CVS, there are gonna be problems I'd say 40% of the time
[05:19] <lukus001> Kryal, but i can play the game... so the CVS ver till the offical comes out is better? i dont understand why i would need the bleeding edge ver of crystal space though...? shouldnt it run on the old one providing i have planeshift's CVS files to compile?
[05:19] <DVSoftware> i have two ubuntu machines, and i would like to share data between them
[05:19] <lukus001> cant play the game sorry*
[05:19] <DVSoftware> how can i do this with samba
[05:19] <[Spooky] > anyone ?
[05:20] <thoreauputic> !samba
[05:20] <ubotu> it has been said that samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[05:21] <tombs> hi ppl
[05:21] <thoreauputic> [Spooky] : normally you should be able to mount a CD with just mount /media/cdrom0 (if that's the mount point defined in /etc/fstab)
[05:22] <thoreauputic> [Spooky] : you aren't trying to mount a music CD, are you?
[05:23] <lukus001> If i download a CVS though, in the consol with CVS like directed on sourcefordge... how do you install the downloaded CVS? wheres the directory exactly? <lol>
[05:23] <[Spooky] > thoreauputic: no, its a "overburned" cd-r
[05:24] <DVSoftware> [Spooky] , what is the error message?
[05:24] <[Spooky] > thoreauputic: with just mount /media/cdrom0 i get wrongs FS type...
[05:25] <thoreauputic> [Spooky] : is it an ISO ? or a straight data CD or what?
[05:25] <din> man, ubuntu is being jumpy
[05:25] <[Spooky] > thoreauputic: a data cd
[05:26] <Oniano|iBook> Seveas, ok, i've got my 2.6 kernel...now it just hangs the bloody system!
[05:26] <din> every time my cpu goes to 100%, my mouse freezes for a bit
[05:26] <Oniano|iBook> doesn't respond to pings or anything
[05:26] <din> anyone have any ideas?
[05:26] <deFrysk> din, try not to use java apps
[05:26] <thoreauputic> [Spooky] : have you been able to see the contents before? Are you sure the burn isn't "bad" ?
[05:27] <[Spooky] > thoreauputic: yep have used the cd before... how can i check the cd ?
[05:27] <din> deFrysk, well i am running azureus
[05:28] <tabasco> din, you could just let it sit for a while running top and see what app is taking your resources.
[05:28] <deFrysk> din, I rest my case
[05:28] <thoreauputic> [Spooky] : if you've been able to mount that CD with that data before , it's a mystery to me...
[05:29] <Seveas> Oniano|iBook, from which debian did you upgrade?
[05:29] <Seveas> and did you install ubuntu-desktop?
[05:29] <din> deFrysk, i closed azureus and it still happens
[05:29] <din> heh
[05:30] <deFrysk> closed as in shutted down din ?
[05:30] <[Spooky] > thoreauputic: can it be because its overburned ?
[05:30] <deFrysk> or just went to your taskbar ?
[05:30] <din> deFrysk, yes, as in java is not still running.. i'm no noob :)
[05:30] <deFrysk> din, ok :)
[05:30] <din> i think maybe it's my kernel version
[05:31] <deFrysk> din, have you checked top ?
[05:31] <thoreauputic> [Spooky] : as i said, if you have mounted it successfully since the burn, the burn isn't the problem: if not, then yes, quite possibly the burn is the issue
[05:31] <din> yes, it's running right now
[05:31] <deFrysk> well it should tell u what uses the most resources
[05:31] <din> i know this...
[05:32] <troglodyt> din i used to get the same sorta thing.. after running limewire... there appears to be a bit of a bug with the java.. i had to ps x and kill -9 anythning that had to do with java
[05:32] <din> my problem is that when i open a prog or a new tab in firefox or anything that takes processing power to 100% for a second, my mouse freezes for a bit, and it's getting very annoying
[05:32] <din> troglodyt, it's not java
[05:33] <deFrysk> din, do you have any not ubuntu software installed ?
[05:33] <din> shit, boss is calling, brb
[05:33] <jmanns> i have a question about running crossover office by codeweavers in kde? i can see the windows apps but i don't see the program itself on the menu. how do i get it back?
[05:34] <Oniano|iBook> Seveas, it was sarge
[05:35] <Oniano|iBook> so hardly any downgrading
[05:35] <Oniano|iBook> gah, i read in one of the forums
[05:35] <Oniano|iBook> to set NoAccel
[05:35] <Oniano|iBook> for my ati driver
[05:35] <Oniano|iBook> that doesn't work either
[05:37] <BTJustice> By default, where does Kmail save e-mail at?
[05:37] <necrogami> what is the command for version
[05:37] <necrogami> is it /proc/version?
[05:37] <Madpilot> necrogami: uname -a ?
[05:37] <necrogami> no
[05:37] <necrogami> thats not the one im looking for
[05:37] <thoreauputic> necrogami: version of what?
[05:37] <thoreauputic> cat /etc/issue ?
[05:37] <necrogami> debian and linux kernel
[05:38] <DVSoftware> BTJustice, i think ~/.kde/apps/kmail
[05:38] <necrogami> cat /proc/version
[05:38] <DVSoftware> something like that
[05:38] <necrogami> thats what i was looking for
[05:38] <Madpilot> necrogami: uname -a will tell you that
[05:38] <Madpilot> uname -a for me = "Linux warbard 2.6.10-5-k7 #1 Fri Jun 24 18:51:20 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux"
[05:39] <Madpilot> anyway, bbl
[05:39] <BTJustice> DVSoftware: Says directory doesn;t exist.
[05:40] <DVSoftware> then try ~/Mail
[05:40] <DVSoftware> ~is your home dir
[05:41] <BTJustice> No such directory.
[05:42] <thoreauputic> BTJustice: ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail
[05:42] <thoreauputic> BTJustice: several dirs in there - have a look
[05:43] <deprave> oops
[05:43] <thoreauputic> deprave: oops indeed :/
[05:43] <deFrysk> deprave, tsk
[05:43] <jowi> deprave, PONG!
[05:43] <jowi> :-)
[05:43] <BTJustice> I paste that in root terminal and it goes no where. I am a n00b. What I am doing wrong?
[05:43] <deFrysk> :D
[05:44] <thoreauputic> BTJustice: cd ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail the type ls
[05:44] <thoreauputic> *s/the/then
[05:45] <seife> man
[05:45] <seife> WT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:45] <seife> this happened to my twice
[05:45] <BTJustice> Ok, I am there thanks, but there is nothing in the INbox folder.
[05:45] <thoreauputic> BTJustice: and don't get in the habit of using a root terminal - just use konsole or whatever as user
[05:45] <seife> the ubuntu iso i386 download just had gotten stuck twice in like 500mb or something :@
[05:45] <apokryphos> BTJustice: are you looking for your mails?
[05:45] <BTJustice> yes
[05:46] <BTJustice> I want to back them up
[05:46] <apokryphos> BTJustice: ~/Mail
[05:46] <thoreauputic> BTJustice: erm - are you running as root?
[05:46] <thoreauputic> BTJustice: if you are you are looking in roots inbox
[05:46] <BTJustice> no I don' think so
[05:47] <thoreauputic> BTJustice: you said you were using the root terminal...
[05:47] <apokryphos> BTJustice: see help:kmail on how to appropriately backup your stuff
[05:47] <Slipaway172> anybody want a gmail account? just open a chat dialogue and wait for a url
[05:47] <apokryphos> Slipaway172: they're free and accessible to everyone now
[05:47] <deFrysk> Slipaway172, geez
[05:48] <thoreauputic> Slipaway172: do you think people are naive ?
[05:48] <Slipaway172> no it is not
[05:48] <apokryphos> Slipaway172: yes, it is.
[05:48] <Slipaway172> ?
[05:48] <apokryphos> Sign up for a Google Account -- free GMail account.
[05:49] <Slipaway172> where
[05:49] <deFrysk> is this a gmail chat now ?
[05:49] <bahan> Hello, I am having a hard time installing this OS, I downloaded the Intel X86 Install CD, burnt the contents of the zip file, attempted boot and nothing happens. What's up?
[05:49] <apokryphos> Slipaway172: where what? Use Google.
[05:49] <concept10> bahan, did you burn as a .iso?
[05:49] <jowi> bahan, you should download the .iso, not a .zip
[05:49] <DVSoftware> bahan, zip file?
[05:50] <Slipaway172> How do I sign up? When can I get a Gmail account?
[05:50] <Slipaway172> We're currently only offering Gmail as part of a preview release and limited test. We don't have details on when Gmail will be made more widely available, as that depends in part on the results of the test.
[05:50] <Slipaway172> see
[05:50] <bahan> hold on
[05:50] <deFrysk> Slipaway172, who cares
[05:50] <thoreauputic> bahan: it's an ISO file - what did you download?
[05:50] <capisce> how can I set opera instead of firefox as the default web browser?
[05:50] <bahan> someone wants gmail i can help
[05:50] <Slipaway172> but oh well i got free ones avaiablr
[05:50] <kaffeend> can anyone tell me why, when I try to change Firefox's theme it freezes?
[05:50] <apokryphos> Slipaway172: let them say what they want -- at the moment, absolutely anyone can get an account by signing up for a Google Account, which is free and accessible to everyone
[05:50] <DVSoftware> Slipaway172, pm me your email addres
[05:50] <BTJustice> Folder=.inbox.directory/[email protected]
[05:50] <BTJustice> ???
[05:50] <DVSoftware> i will send you invite
[05:51] <BTJustice> Where is that at?
[05:51] <Slipaway172> why
[05:51] <Slipaway172> i have one
[05:51] <DVSoftware> for gmail account
[05:51] <apokryphos> BTJustice: you trying to back them up still? Why haven't you read the Handbook?
[05:51] <DVSoftware> hm
[05:51] <BTJustice> I jst did on the part where messages are stored.
[05:51] <kaffeend> I also have plenty of invites to give away for gmail if anyone wants one
[05:52] <DVSoftware> Slipaway172 How do I sign up? When can I get a Gmail account?
[05:52] <asfra> Did anybody have trouble with skype after install? I can't call anybody, I cant hear it dialing, and I cant close the 'ongoing call'.. Does anyone have a trick? thanks...
[05:52] <BTJustice> But I have no idea where ".inbox.directory" is.
[05:52] <bahan> Damn, I did not look at the file first, Winrar opened the file auto and exteacted the contents.
[05:52] <apokryphos> BTJustice: help:/kmail/faq.html#id2601967
[05:52] <Slipaway172> DVSoftware, u make no sence
[05:52] <sidolin> hi
[05:52] <thoreauputic> asfra: probably a problem with esd sound - try killall esd before starting it
[05:52] <Slipaway172> http://mail.google.com/mail/a-31bdf7b32e-57cb40bc64-3e698b0393
[05:52] <Slipaway172> there
[05:52] <acid2> Hi, does anyone know any software for linux that teaches 10 finger typing?
[05:53] <apokryphos> acid2: KTouch
[05:53] <DVSoftware> Slipaway172, that is what you said
[05:53] <mjr> acid2, gtypist, for the terminal
[05:53] <sidolin> is there any way to boot a ubuntu dvd over pxe?
[05:53] <deFrysk> acid2, gtypist I believe
[05:53] <thoreauputic> or tuxtype
[05:53] <apokryphos> acid2: the best way to learn to touch type is to do just this, though: (i) use the correct fingers for the correct keys, (ii) bring your fingers back once you hit each key, (iii) *always* use this method, and never revert despite it being unbelievably slow at first
[05:53] <acid2> cool, ill give all of those a try
[05:53] <acid2> thank you :)
[05:54] <sidolin> i managed to get a netinstaller booting, but i want to get the dvd booting...
[05:54] <acid2> apokryphos: well yea - but I need to actyually learn which finger goes where ^_^
[05:54] <apokryphos> acid2: and finally, (iv) look at the keys all the time at the beginning. Don't worry about typing without looking at the keys -- that comes without you knowing. These points, and you have it.
[05:54] <sidolin> i dont have a dvd drive in my laptop...
[05:54] <bahan> Thanks apokryphos: I just realized the error.
[05:55] <acid2> apokryphos: cool, thanks for those tips :)
[05:55] <BTJustice> On 6.14... "... start KMail will use /home/username/.mail instead of /home/username/Mail" What the hell difference does that make???
[05:55] <apokryphos> acid2: Sure. I just meant that a lot of the time these typing programs can be useless/annoying. All you need is practice.
[05:55] <acid2> apokryphos: ah, I just want to make it fun while I start
[05:55] <acid2> I mean, coding, or on irc - I just wanna get what im thinking down
[05:55] <apokryphos> acid2: which finger to use is pretty basic; two index fingers on F and J respectively. Some are questoinable, but the proper method you can find out from the Internet, for sure.
[05:56] <apokryphos> acid2: I know, but it'll likely be slightly annoying/dull at first -- seems so slow. That's why so many people don't get into it; they can't get past the first stage. :|
[05:56] <asfra> thoreauputic: I did the 'killall esd' but now skype doesn't start. Do I have to start esd again, and in that case how?
[05:57] <BTJustice> I don't know why this has to be so hard. I just want to backup my e-mail by finding the folders where ALL the messages are saved to.
[05:57] <thoreauputic> asfra: hmm... you can start esd with " esd & "
[05:57] <apokryphos> BTJustice: I already told you. ~/Mail
[05:57] <thoreauputic> asfra: but I hear skype doesn't like esd
[05:58] <kaffeend> !mp3
[05:58] <Code_Dark> Winamp not Running
[05:58] <ubotu> somebody said mp3 was read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[05:58] <thoreauputic> asfra: I use dmix here
[05:58] <BTJustice> Instead, the damn manula has these 'fake' directories in it. Why doesn't save e-mail the the user HOME directory by default?
[05:58] <apokryphos> BTJustice: it does
[05:58] <BTJustice> The file or folder ~/Mail does not exist.
[05:58] <asfra> thoreauputic: Is dmix a replacement for skype or esd?
[05:59] <apokryphos> BTJustice: /home/yourusername/Mail does not exist? Are you *sure*?
[05:59] <parmenion> BTJustice: .evolution/mail
[05:59] <apokryphos> BTJustice: then you're definitely not using KMail..
[05:59] <thoreauputic> BTJustice: I strongly suspect you were in the root terminal and therefore looking in the wrong place ( ie /root )
[05:59] <thoreauputic> asfra: esd
[06:00] <asfra> thoreauputic: by the way, skype still doesn't start :( thanks for trying to help anyway...
[06:00] <apokryphos> BTJustice: type whoami in Terminal
[06:00] <BTJustice> /home/BTJustice on has "Desktop" and "wireless.log". NOTHING else.
[06:00] <asfra> thoreauputic: ok, I will google it...
[06:00] <DVSoftware> f*ckin' rain
[06:00] <DVSoftware> my wireless connection doesn't like rain
[06:00] <thoreauputic> asfra: try ps aux | grep skype to see if it isn't quite dead ;)
[06:00] <DVSoftware> BTJustice,
[06:01] <apokryphos> BTJustice: are you sure you have KMail up-and-running?
[06:01] <DVSoftware> turn on displaying hidden files
[06:01] <BTJustice> Yes, with Kontact
[06:01] <apokryphos> I find that very hard to believe. KMail stores emails in ~/Mail
[06:01] <BTJustice> That did it. They were hidden.
[06:01] <DVSoftware> yourhomedir/.kde/share/apps/kmail
[06:01] <BTJustice> Why though?
[06:01] <kaffeend> !java
[06:01] <ubotu> I heard java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[06:01] <DVSoftware> it should bi there
[06:01] <DVSoftware> be*
[06:01] <BTJustice> That did it. They were hidden. Why though???
[06:02] <apokryphos> DVSoftware: it doesn't store them there
[06:02] <DVSoftware> apokryphos, it stored them there on my machine
[06:02] <apokryphos> :|
[06:02] <spanglesontoast> what can I use bochs for?
[06:03] <spanglesontoast> !bochs
[06:03] <ubotu> spanglesontoast: I don't know, could you explain it?
[06:03] <parmenion> BTJustice: all files starting by . are hidden by default, you can either unhide them in the file manager or type ls -a at command prompt
[06:03] <BTJustice> Why would directoriesd be hidden? That's silly unless they are system critical files.
[06:03] <parmenion> they are usually configuration files for apps
[06:03] <samu> any idea what would suddenly cause pgup and pgdown to stop working in firefox?
[06:03] <BTJustice> I didn;t know that. So anything with ~/. is hidden?
[06:03] <thoreauputic> BTJustice: you like your home dir to be littered with dot files?
[06:03] <bcanon> Anyone know of a good doc for printing to a network printer from an ubuntu workstation?
[06:04] <apokryphos> BTJustice: anything with a dot in front of it is hidden, yes.
[06:04] <kaffeend> can some1 plz tell me how to get jre 1.5 without having to install from my cd?
[06:04] <BTJustice> So what is up with the ~/ then?
[06:04] <thoreauputic> !java
[06:04] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[06:04] <DVSoftware> BTJustice, all configuration files/dirs are hidden in user's home dir
[06:04] <BTJustice> I am a n00b
[06:04] <zzyber> how can i split a avi file easy?
[06:04] <BTJustice> Been using Ubuntu for 2 days
[06:04] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: make sure you read the guide linked from there to get hoary-extras
[06:04] <socomm> Dot files are hidden.
[06:05] <kaffeend> thoreauputic I just did that :P and it wants me to install off cd dude
[06:05] <BTJustice> So what is up with the "~/" then?
[06:05] <jowi> BTJustice, ~/ is a shortcut for /home/yourname
[06:05] <kaffeend> need cd
[06:05] <BTJustice> What does it mean?
[06:05] <BTJustice> AH!
[06:05] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: then comment out hte CD line in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:05] <socomm> ~ is short hand for /home/<user>
[06:05] <kaffeend> how?
[06:05] <socomm> Where <user> is the current users nick.
[06:05] <kaffeend> comment out?
[06:05] <zzyber> i want to split a avi file to fit a cd but what software can i use?
[06:05] <asfra> thoreauputic: linux makes me feel stupid sometimes.. I'm not capable of understanding the message, anyway 1.line : jan 8558 1.1 6.4 61352 16324 ? Sl 17:44 =:11 skype; 2.line root 8851 1.0 0.2 3172 732 pts/0 S+ 18:00 0:00 grep skype
[06:05] <BTJustice> So ~/.kde really means /home/btjustce/kde ?
[06:05] <parmenion> BTJustice: you should some beginners guide to linux, this is all very standard stuff
[06:06] <BTJustice> on my system
[06:06] <deFrysk> kaffeend, # is comment out
[06:06] <socomm> BTJustice: Yes, don't forget the dot.
[06:06] <BTJustice> I have a nerd who helps me, lol.
[06:06] <bcanon> Anyone know what printing subsystem ubuntu uses by default? Is it CUPS?
[06:06] <apokryphos> BTJustice, DVSoftware: I see the default location for it has changed, but for users who upgrade KMail it will still use the same location. I imagine it changed recently
[06:06] <kaffeend> deFrysk um, and where pray tell does it go?
[06:06] <thoreauputic> asfra: :) try pkill skype (easier)
[06:06] <zzyber> lets have a uptime on desktop competition
[06:06] <ekimus> BTJustice: ~/.kde == $HOME/.kde == /home/btjustce/.kde in your case
[06:07] <BTJustice> ah!
[06:07] <socomm> How about a competition that requires actual skills?
[06:07] <thoreauputic> asfra: else do " kill 8558 " ( that's the process ID)
[06:07] <deFrysk> kaffeend, you have to put a # in front of the first line in /etc/apt/sources.list to comment the cd line out
[06:07] <asfra> ok, skype started after pkill
[06:07] <kaffeend> deFrysk okay - thanks bud
[06:07] <BTJustice> Alright, I will admit my stupidity, what is a good guide that is easy and enjoyable to read about beginners on Linux?
[06:08] <BTJustice> Not too technical unless it has to be
[06:08] <thoreauputic> asfra: sometimes when something goes wrong the app is still kind of running - so killing it fixes the problem
[06:08] <ekimus> BTJustice: just work with it and if you have a certain problem try to solve exactly that problem.
[06:08] <BTJustice> That's why I came here. That and my nerd is at work.
[06:08] <asfra> thoreauputic: ok, I see...
[06:09] <ekimus> BTJustice: and the 'not to technical guide to linux' is imho www.google.com
[06:09] <thoreauputic> BTJustice: a good intro to the comand line is http://tuxfiles.org
[06:09] <jowi> BTJustice, open this file in your webbrowser: /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-quickguide/html/index.html
[06:09] <socomm> ekimus: google.com/linux
[06:10] <jowi> BTJustice, that covers the desktop at least
[06:10] <kaffeend> Invalid operation installation
[06:10] <zzyber> my desktop has been online 19 days
[06:10] <kaffeend> hmmm
[06:11] <kaffeend> zzyber are you a gamer?
[06:11] <BTJustice> COOL! Thank you all for the help! A poor dumbass and n00b to Linux like me appreciates it.
[06:11] <zzyber> kaffeend, no no
[06:11] <kaffeend> you should be
[06:11] <kaffeend> :P
[06:11] <jowi> BTJustice, you'll pick this up quick
[06:11] <asfra> thoreauputic: of course it still doesn't work.. It seems weird to me that a sound problem should make it impossible to hang up an attemp to call out.. but I don't doubt it :) is it difficult to get dmix running instead? I didnt find anything about sound in the preferences
[06:11] <jowi> BTJustice, but it takes some time to remember it all. practice makes perfect
[06:11] <kaffeend> BTJustice if you pick this up quick you're a better man (or woman?) than I am!
[06:12] <zzyber> kaffeend, on a ubuntu?? I dont think so.......or maybe a solitare addicted can play on a linux machine
[06:12] <jowi> gotto go. take care all
[06:12] <thoreauputic> asfra: I was just guessing about esd - there might be other reasons why skype won't work
[06:12] <BTJustice> One last questions, I use to be able to adjust my clock by rigfht-clicking once on it then left-clicking on Adjust Date & Time. I entered my password and there I was. Now, after I enter my password, nothing happens. THe clock never opens. Why might htat be?
[06:12] <jowi> asfra, it IS a sound problem
[06:12] <kaffeend> zzyber don't talk like that! I'm hoping to be playing soon :s
[06:13] <thoreauputic> asfra: did you install it from a .deb file? Or how?
[06:13] <BTJustice> lol, I will make some coffee and start reading
[06:13] <jowi> asfra: do this: in a terminal: killall esd
[06:13] <thoreauputic> jowi: we've been there
[06:13] <asfra> thoreauputic: yes, it could be.. I installed it by the directions in ubuntuguide.com.. should I do an uinstall and and a new install?
[06:13] <zzyber> kaffeend, truly......me too but as long as every company out there continue to write games for windows we will be out of games
[06:14] <jowi> thoreauputic, turned off the soundserver at start and enabled alsasink?
[06:14] <kaffeend> not with cedega tho?
[06:14] <asfra> jowi: I already tryed that, but it still dont work
[06:14] <thoreauputic> jowi: you might be in a better position to help - I don't use esd at all ( changed to dmix)
[06:14] <zzyber> kaffeend, cedega, yes some games but its a lot of trouble trying to play "good" games
[06:14] <jowi> asfra, ok. it solved it for me though. skype hung at all outgoing calls.
[06:15] <kaffeend> like FarCry?
[06:15] <jowi> asfra, just double check a few things:
[06:15] <Chaotic_Shield> I hate you Linksys.
[06:15] <Linksys> Me too, loser.
[06:15] <Linksys> ;)
[06:15] <BTJustice> I'd kill if GTA San Andreas worked in Linux.
[06:16] <asfra> jowi: yes...
[06:16] <jowi> asfra, must start gnome first
[06:16] <asfra> by the way thanks for all the help we n00bs get here, it's really invaluable! :-)
[06:16] <kaffeend> I just got San Andreas too :(
[06:16] <BTJustice> One last question, I use to be able to adjust my clock by right-clicking once on it then left-clicking on Adjust Date & Time. I entered my password and there I was. Now, after I enter my password, nothing happens. The clock never opens. Why might that be?
[06:16] <BTJustice> I am playing it again on my PC with the Hot Coffee mod.
[06:17] <kaffeend> !clock
[06:17] <jowi> asfra, gnome -> system -> prefs -> Multimedia system selector: Default output sink = alsa
[06:17] <ubotu> kaffeend: Are you smoking crack?
[06:17] <kaffeend> hahaha
[06:17] <Chaotic_Shield> lol
[06:17] <Chaotic_Shield> pwned!
[06:17] <kaffeend> yes I am smoking crack - we all smoke crack
[06:18] <kaffeend> but we call it Krack
[06:18] <jowi> asfra, gnome -> system -> prefs -> sound: remove the tick for "Enable sound server startup"
[06:18] <Chaotic_Shield> bah.
[06:18] <kaffeend> listen to me... associating myself with all you bloody geeks! :P
[06:18] <Chaotic_Shield> Anyone want to help me with a networking issue?
[06:19] <kaffeend> Chaotic_Shield what's up and how can I help?
[06:19] <Chaotic_Shield> :)
[06:19] <Chaotic_Shield> The ceiling is up.
[06:20] <asfra> jowi: did that, however when I tried to test the sound after selecting alsa I got an error message.. I will try to start skype again now
[06:20] <kaffeend> Okay
[06:20] <kaffeend> go on
[06:20] <kaffeend> I'm all ears
[06:20] <Chaotic_Shield> And you can help me with trying to give my Wireless AP a static IP on my network without disabling DHCP for the rest of it
[06:21] <Chaotic_Shield> I have http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?childpagename=US%2FLayout&packedargs=page%3D2%26cid%3D1115416835852%26c%3DL_Content_C1&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper&SubmittedElement=Linksys%2FFormSubmit%2FProductDownloadSearch&sp_prodsku=1122062340941
[06:21] <Chaotic_Shield> sorry for the UGLY link.
[06:21] <kaffeend> good luck with that bud :P
[06:21] <BTJustice> I use to be able to adjust my clock by right-clicking once on it then left-clicking on Adjust Date & Time. I entered my root password and there I was. Now, after I enter my password, nothing happens. The clock never opens. Why might that be?
[06:21] <Chaotic_Shield> BTJustice, it doesn't lurb you?
[06:21] <Chaotic_Shield> :-P
[06:21] <BTJustice> No but it is off my 3 hours
[06:21] <BTJustice> *by
[06:21] <kaffeend> I don't think you can have a static IP with DHCP
[06:21] <kaffeend> how can you?
[06:21] <ptlo> you can
[06:21] <kaffeend> really?
[06:21] <ptlo> if you instruct dhcp server to give you the same ip every time
[06:21] <asfra> jowi: I did a pkillall esd, and pkill skype to get it started again.. I will try it now
[06:21] <hyphenated> kaffeend: you can assign the same IP to the same MAC
[06:22] <ptlo> (based on your mac)
[06:22] <kaffeend> hmmm...
[06:22] <hyphenated> instead of just declaring a pool of IPs and letting any MAC grab one
[06:22] <kaffeend> yah
[06:22] <jowi> asfra what error did you get?
[06:22] <asfra> jowi: damn you're good!! works like a charm! thanks
[06:22] <jowi> asfra, magic man
[06:23] <jowi> NOW i need to leave. take care all
[06:23] <kaffeend> cya jowi
[06:24] <Funraiser> is it possible to have two persons working on the same computer with Ubuntu (two keyboards and two screens ) at the same time?
[06:24] <kaffeend> !java
[06:24] <ubotu> I heard java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[06:24] <kaffeend> !mp3
[06:24] <ubotu> well, mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[06:24] <Code_Dark> Winamp not Running
[06:25] <asfra> jowi: however now xmms cant play my mp3. Xmms tells me that my sound card isn't correctly configured.. is that a preferences thing in xmms or something I have to change in my soundcard settings?
[06:25] <d_i> Hi Guys!
[06:25] <kaffeend> god I love tabs!
[06:25] <BTJustice> !clock
[06:25] <ubotu> BTJustice: I don't know
[06:25] <asfra> jowi: it also says that the correct output-plugin is chosen
[06:25] <kaffeend> is xmms any good?
[06:25] <shellhack> hello
[06:25] <d_i> Does ubuntu 5.04 come with NTFS Read support from the start or do you need to set it up ?
[06:25] <asfra> jowi: and that now other programs are blocking the soundcard
[06:26] <shellhack> someone help I dont know what is going on with my screen configuration
[06:26] <Chaotic_Shield> f00king hell.
[06:26] <kaffeend> what plays m p 3s out of the box?
[06:26] <nophix> d_i: it is supported
[06:26] <[XPD8] -ReDDoG-> d_i: it reads NTFS from the start
[06:26] <shellhack> someone help me
[06:26] <d_i> ok thanks :)
[06:26] <pfp> Funraiser: it should, just define two X servers in gdm
[06:26] <Chaotic_Shield> can anyone help me?
[06:26] <Funraiser> kaffeend, xine
[06:26] <d_i> Is it possible for Ubuntu to read/write to FAT32 ?
[06:26] <kaffeend> Funraiser thanks
[06:27] <nophix> d_i: of course! :)
[06:27] <d_i> ok, im a new ubuntu user then :D
[06:27] <Funraiser> pfp, and how can i connect two keyboards?
[06:27] <batma8> does anyon ehave a good NDISwrapper install help page?
[06:27] <kaffeend> d_i yes
[06:27] <d_i> gonna install it today :D
[06:27] <batma8> i found a good link..but its dead now
[06:27] <nophix> d_i: good luck
[06:27] <d_i> thx :)
[06:27] <asfra> jowi: fixed it in the preferences in xmms! thanks for the help!
[06:27] <nophix> :)
[06:27] <d_i> 5.04 is the new version right ?...
[06:27] <pfp> Funraiser: that's the part i'm not sure about :) probably one usb, one ps2, then separate configurations for the two x servers
[06:27] <nophix> yes
[06:27] <kaffeend> asfra jowi's been gone for a little while now I'm afraid
[06:27] <d_i> because i think i heard someone talk about something newer..
[06:28] <Chaotic_Shield> pdfs*
[06:28] <Funraiser> pfp, ohhh i see
[06:28] <holycow> hey guys, i added a new network card, usind dhcp, but now i get 'ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted' and on ifdown 'ifdown: couldn't read interfaces file "/etc/network/interfaces"'
[06:28] <The_Vox> d_i: breezy...but that's not out yet, it's unstable and, at the moment, pretty broken for most users
[06:28] <d_i> ok
[06:28] <holycow> does that even make sense? are there permissions on a per interface basis somewhere that i'm not aware of?
[06:28] <d_i> Well gonna try 5.04
[06:28] <asfra> kaffend: hmm, I hope he is ok :)
[06:28] <d_i> thanks again everyone :)
[06:28] <Chaotic_Shield> hmmm
[06:28] <Chaotic_Shield> anyone here good at networking? I have a quandry.
[06:29] <Chaotic_Shield> and my system is making beeping noises.
[06:29] <shellhack> help me I dont know how to change my screen resolution
[06:29] <Funraiser> pfp, thanks
[06:30] <pfp> Funraiser: good luck
[06:30] <Dr_Willis> Chaotic_Shield, and why do you think tht has to do with networking?
[06:30] <Chaotic_Shield> shellhack, System->Preferences->Screen Resolution
[06:30] <Funraiser> pfp, well that's the end of that trial
[06:30] <Funraiser> :-)
[06:30] <Chaotic_Shield> Dr_Willis, because it was gaim making the beeping noises.
[06:30] <Chaotic_Shield> But I actually have a networking problem.
[06:31] <Funraiser> Chaotic_Shield, what's the networking prob?
[06:31] <shellhack> Chaotic_Shield: I did it, but isnt workt
[06:31] <shellhack> work
[06:31] <Chaotic_Shield> I have 2 routers, one wifi, the other not.
[06:31] <kaffeend> if I pause all my firefox downloads and restart firefox can I resume all downloads without fear of losing them?
[06:31] <shellhack> Chaotic_Shield: that is the problem
[06:31] <Funraiser> kaffeend, yes
[06:32] <kaffeend> Funraiser thanks - wanted to make sure
[06:32] <Chaotic_Shield> I need to place the non-wifi router next to the cable modem, which is in the basement, and then assign a static IP to the wifi router, which I'll use as an AP
[06:32] <bina> is there a database on the net that I can use to check whether hardware etc (in this case a webcam) will work under Ubuntu?
[06:32] <Funraiser> kaffeend, last time i did it worked
[06:32] <Chaotic_Shield> but I want to keep DHCP enabled for the rest of the net.
[06:32] <shellhack> Chaotic_shield: my screen resolution no change of 640x480
[06:32] <Chaotic_Shield> dunno then shellhack
[06:32] <shellhack> Chaotic_Shield: what?
[06:33] <BTJustice> Can anyone help me with the Kubuntu clock?
[06:33] <Chaotic_Shield> I don't know.
[06:33] <BTJustice> I use to be able to adjust my clock by right-clicking once on it then left-clicking on Adjust Date & Time. I entered my root password and there I was. Now, after I enter my password, nothing happens. The clock never opens. Why might that be?
[06:33] <Chaotic_Shield> BTJustice, you possibly uninstalled the clock app?
[06:33] <Chaotic_Shield> package*
[06:33] <BTJustice> I see the clock.
[06:33] <BTJustice> So wouldn't the app be here?
[06:34] <Chaotic_Shield> possibly it's 2 packages.
[06:34] <Howitzer> i forgot how ou have to add Windows HD's in fstab
[06:34] <codius> How can I add support for MP3 files?
[06:34] <Chaotic_Shield> !mp3
[06:34] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[06:34] <Code_Dark> Winamp not Running
[06:34] <BTJustice> What are those 2 files called in Synaptic?
[06:34] <kaffeend> If you exit now, 2 downloads will be canceled. Are you sure you want to exit?
[06:34] <Howitzer> /dev/hda5 /media/share fat32 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1
[06:34] <kaffeend> I don't think so :s
[06:35] <Chaotic_Shield> BTJustice, try searching for clock?
[06:35] <kaffeend> well, can't restart Firefox
[06:35] <jkinz> UPTIME
[06:35] <Funraiser> kaffeend, sorry i thouhgt u meant just pause and resume
[06:36] <BTJustice> wtf, I can't access anythign in Synaptic.
[06:36] <Funraiser> (if that was secure or not)
[06:36] <kaffeend> guess it'll be sometime before Firefox supports multi session downloading
[06:36] <kaffeend> Funraiser np ;)
[06:36] <Chaotic_Shield> BTJustice, you know the r00t pass?
[06:36] <BTJustice> yes
[06:36] <steven> hey why i cant connect to gift
[06:36] <BTJustice> but i am not asked for it automatically or anything
[06:37] <Funraiser> Chaotic_Shield, are u sharing a printer?
[06:37] <kaffeend> BTJustice do you have your installation CD in the drive?
[06:37] <jkinz> MENICK
[06:37] <BTJustice> Ack, I can't close Synaptic!
[06:37] <BTJustice> No Cd is out'
[06:37] <tiago> my gnome dont start!!? somebody help-me! ( i use colony-2 )
[06:37] <Chaotic_Shield> no I'm not.
[06:37] <kaffeend> cd has to be in dude
[06:37] <BTJustice> alright it is in now
[06:38] <kaffeend> try it then
[06:38] <jkinz> MENICK
[06:38] <Chaotic_Shield> fscking hell.
[06:38] <BTJustice> I still can't click on anything in Synaptic. I can't even close it.
[06:38] <shellhack> Chaotic_Shield: I installed rkhunter, after I restarted the system and the screen resolution has changed
[06:38] <kaffeend> Hmmm
[06:38] <Chaotic_Shield> shellhack, great. Fixed your problem?
[06:39] <gehel2> hello all ! I need advice, which program should I use to connect to my Canon ixus 40 camera ?
[06:39] <Chaotic_Shield> Linux gehel2
[06:39] <Chaotic_Shield> I need to check something with the second router.
[06:39] <Chaotic_Shield> Unless.
[06:39] <BTJustice> There it goes finally. I was freaking out, lol.
[06:39] <Howitzer> Aaaaargh
[06:39] <Chaotic_Shield> Is there a way to force a specific program to use a specific network interface?
[06:39] <Howitzer> i'm going nuts
[06:39] <BTJustice> Which one is the KDE kicker clock
[06:39] <kaffeend> BTJustice good 1
[06:40] <BTJustice> lol
[06:40] <gehel2> Chaotic_Shield, it depends on the program, which program is it ?
[06:40] <BTJustice> It sucks being a n00b again to something.
[06:40] <Chaotic_Shield> FireFox.
[06:40] <Howitzer> i finally found how to add a windows partition, now i see it's the wrong partition :x
[06:40] <shellhack> Chaotic_Shield: no that is the problem I cant change my screen resolution of 640x480
[06:40] <BTJustice> If i do a search for clock, it finds 33 packages.
[06:40] <kaffeend> BTJustice doesn't it? Damn I'm n00bier than you dude
[06:40] <moemy> please helpe me..
[06:40] <BTJustice> lol
[06:40] <BrianAnthony> how do I mount an NTFS drive?
[06:40] <kaffeend> heh
[06:40] <gehel2> Chaotic_Shield, nope, client programs will delegate routing to the kernel (most of them anyway)
[06:40] <Howitzer> How do i use RPM'S??
[06:41] <Chaotic_Shield> PFT.
[06:41] <shellhack> Chaotic_Shield: when I installed that source the problem came in
[06:41] <lunitik> BTJustice, right click on panel > add to panel > applets > clock
[06:41] <lunitik> or something like that
[06:41] <BTJustice> So which package is the clock I see in KDE?
[06:41] <Chaotic_Shield> well then uninstall the source shellhack
[06:41] <Funraiser> BrianAnthony, www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:41] <lunitik> BTJustice, the clock is part of kicker
[06:41] <lunitik> (the kde panel)
[06:41] <gehel2> Chaotic_Shield, you could always tweak the routing tables ...
[06:41] <BTJustice> THeo nly one that even mentions kde is kworldclock
[06:41] <amonkey> where is the startup noise stored?
[06:41] <lunitik> BTJustice, its part of 'kicker' like I just siad
[06:41] <lunitik> said
[06:41] <buntu-a> i forget my password admin
[06:42] <kaffeend> who cares about the clock? The best clock is the Konfabulator Digital anyway
[06:42] <buntu-a> how to get it
[06:42] <buntu-a> ?
[06:42] <shellhack> Chaotic_Shield: ok
[06:42] <Howitzer> Guys, i need some help fast,
[06:42] <Howitzer> How do i open .rpm's in sudo mode?
[06:42] <lunitik> kaffeend, if you like goofy looking amature art I guess...
[06:42] <BrianAnthony> Funraiser: what am I looking for?
[06:42] <anacron_> Howitzer: alien -i
[06:42] <BrianAnthony> ah
[06:42] <BrianAnthony> gotcha
[06:42] <anacron_> i think
[06:42] <lunitik> anacron_, no
[06:42] <kaffeend> lunitik are you for real? That shit is damn fine! :P
[06:43] <Howitzer> anacron_, that converts it :x
[06:43] <lunitik> Howitzer, alien --to-deb some.deb && dpkg -i some.deb
[06:43] <anacron_> oh you said open
[06:43] <buntu-a> hello
[06:43] <Funraiser> BrianAnthony, Ctrl f then NTFS
[06:43] <BTJustice> OK, got them installing now
[06:43] <gehel2> Howitzer, well, under ubuntu, you should use .deb ... mixing rpm from foreign distro is the key to troubles ...
[06:43] <shellhack> Chaotic_Shield: I dont know the name of the package
[06:43] <Howitzer> i know
[06:43] <Chaotic_Shield> well then.
[06:43] <Chaotic_Shield> You're screwed!
[06:43] <Chaotic_Shield> :-P
[06:43] <lunitik> Howitzer, with sudo infront of each command of course
[06:43] <Howitzer> but i need the libgnomeuimm26 package
[06:44] <pfp> Chaotic_Shield: maybe --cmd-owner in iptables would help you?
[06:44] <BTJustice> One last question, I swear, what do you guys recommend for e-mail? Kmail? Evolution? Or something else?
[06:44] <kaffeend> wtf IS sudo anyway?
[06:44] <Howitzer> in order to compile gparted, i need that file (although i've installed it before and this is the first time it complains about it)
[06:44] <Funraiser> Chaotic_Shield, i guess only the first router does the DHCP assigning, the other one is just a switch
[06:44] <kaffeend> pseudo?
[06:45] <Funraiser> kaffeend, sudo is superuser do
[06:45] <Howitzer> sudo is a way to run something in SuperUser mode
[06:45] <kaffeend> Evolution is da bomb BTJustice
[06:45] <kaffeend> I love it
[06:45] <lunitik> BTJustice, Thunderbird for regular use... Evolution is nice, but overkill for most cases
[06:45] <kaffeend> ah
[06:45] <gehel2> BTJustice, I would say thunderbird, or maybe evolution ...
[06:45] <Howitzer> i can't see the diff between thunderbird or evolution :x
[06:45] <BTJustice> I am surprised you guys don't like Kmail.
[06:45] <kaffeend> Funraiser I just read how I shouldn't use the command line as super user :s
[06:45] <BTJustice> I hated Thunderbird.
[06:45] <lunitik> BTJustice, KMail is simple like Thunderbird... only crappier
[06:46] <Seveas> slowpile, turn that script off
[06:46] <gehel2> Chaotic_Shield, It seems you have an interesting problem, could you please restate it ? I just arrived ...
[06:46] <Chaotic_Shield> Funraiser, that's what I'm trying to do, but I need to assign a static IP to one of the routers from the other.
[06:46] <BTJustice> Well I use it in Kontact. Seems like there are a lot of options there in Kontact.
[06:46] <steven> why do i get an error at boot time trying to set up the system clock using the hardware clock as reference
[06:46] <gehel2> BTJustice, I just dont like email in general ... Actually, the only really nice email client is mahogany. It just crashes far too often ....
[06:46] <lunitik> BTJustice, Kontact is just a shell for about 6 old crappy apps
[06:46] <BTJustice> My nerd friend uses Mutt for everything. YUCK!
[06:47] <shellhack> Chaotic_Shield: do you know the name of the package that manage the X
[06:47] <Chaotic_Shield> no.
[06:47] <Chaotic_Shield> probably called X
[06:47] <Chaotic_Shield> :-P
[06:47] <Seveas> BTJustice, mutt is the one-true-mailclient for geeks :)
[06:48] <lunitik> BTJustice, well, no... 5 old crappy apps, and a new one Kichensync
[06:48] <BTJustice> lunitik: lol. I am not being a smartass, by why do you hate it so much?
[06:48] <kaffeend> steven did you pick the wrong timezone during install?
[06:48] <lunitik> BTJustice, Terrible UI... not well thought out
[06:48] <Seveas> lunitik, you just described most of KDE :)
[06:48] <kaffeend> heh
[06:48] <steven> kaffeend, i dont think so but if i did it how could i change it
[06:48] <kaffeend> KDE is UGLY!
[06:48] <apokryphos> kaffeend: you gotta be jokin'
[06:48] <lunitik> Seveas, some KDE apps are nice and professional looking... K3B comes to mind... many seem amature though
[06:48] <kaffeend> steven: now THAT I can't help you with - sorry
[06:49] <lunitik> and Blender... that looks a nice app too
[06:49] <steven> ok thanks anyways
[06:49] <giardino> i need some help
[06:49] <kaffeend> apokryphos no I don't have a sense of humour
[06:49] <Seveas> giardino, with what?
[06:49] <shellhack> Chaotic_Shield: its strange but my apt couldnt find the X package
[06:49] <daxuza> me too
[06:49] <Chaotic_Shield> =\
[06:49] <daxuza> giardino : me too
[06:49] <Seveas> shellhack, x-window-system-core
[06:49] <lunitik> shellhack, x-window-system-core
[06:49] <steven> can somebody help me setting up the right time zone
[06:49] <lunitik> Seveas, damn you :P
[06:49] <apokryphos> kaffeend: notice your K there in front of your name. You're another closet KDE aficionado, admit it :P
[06:49] <Funraiser> Chaotic, well if the second one has a specific IP number then the first router can't be in DHCP mode, that means the first one must be in non dhcp, the second dhcp
[06:49] <kaffeend> steven good luck tho - hang around and keep askin around
[06:49] <Seveas> steven, sudo base-config
[06:49] <BTJustice> Is it possible to configure reply and forward headers in Evolution? Change time to 12 hour am/pm?
[06:50] <lunitik> Seveas, tzconfig ?
[06:50] <kaffeend> NO!!!
[06:50] <sorush21> what program do I use to tell the temperature of my CPU
[06:50] <steven> ok thanks
[06:50] <Seveas> lunitik, might work too :)
[06:50] <maketo> running hoary, 2.6.10 kernel, compiled my own 2.6.11.9 and trying to do mkinitrd -o initrd-2.6.11.9, comes back with no error, however the initrd image is not created. Any ideas?
[06:50] <apokryphos> kaffeend: acceptance is the first step
[06:50] <kaffeend> kaffeend goes way back
[06:50] <Chaotic_Shield> shellhack, it's called X-window-system-core
[06:50] <Funraiser> Chaotic_Shield, just a guess
[06:50] <lunitik> steven, type 'sudo tzconfig'
[06:50] <apokryphos> kaffeend: yah... that's what they all said.
[06:50] <lunitik> steven, what Seveas said is overkill
[06:50] <Seveas> maketo, you should use make-kpkg for compiling kernels on ubuntu/debian systems
[06:50] <kaffeend> kaffee is German for coffee, and I'm a fiend for caffeine, so kaffeend
[06:50] <barkley> I wonder if totem and/or gstreamer will ever be stable
[06:51] <maketo> Seveas: I used to be able to do it myself
[06:51] <Chaotic_Shield> Funraiser, I just want the DHCP server to assign the same damn IP to the AP
[06:51] <Chaotic_Shield> that's it.
[06:51] <lunitik> barkley, its stable here
[06:51] <Chaotic_Shield> That's all I'm asking
[06:51] <kaffeend> and I fuckin hate blue desktops! :P
[06:51] <barkley> lunitik, yeah..if you mess with it a bit...probably some alsa, oss issue
[06:51] <Seveas> maketo, that's not the point :) make-kpkg generates .deb files and that eases administration
[06:51] <lunitik> Chaotic_Shield, bind9 assigning it?
[06:51] <deprave> so make it purple
[06:51] <giardino> my X its not atarting. and i change the line driver "ati" to "vesa" and still not starting the X
[06:51] <Chaotic_Shield> lunitik, ?
[06:51] <kaffeend> ewww
[06:51] <lunitik> barkley, codec issue more than likely...
[06:52] <Seveas> plus it takes care of all compiling and initrd stuff
[06:52] <apokryphos> kaffeend: needless to say, blue being the most popular favourite colour, I think kde went with the safest bet ;-)
[06:52] <kaffeend> lime Gnome Mmmm...
[06:52] <Chaotic_Shield> heh
[06:52] <lunitik> Chaotic_Shield, I'm just trying to figure out why you are asking here about your router...
[06:52] <apokryphos> kaffeend: of course, you only need to alter one file to make all the colours in kde different
[06:52] <BTJustice> what is kaffend?
[06:52] <steven> lunitik, my time zome is right but i get the error at boot time
[06:52] <barkley> lunitik, nope. it just dies at startup
[06:52] <Chaotic_Shield> http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?childpagename=US%2FLayout&packedargs=page%3D2%26cid%3D1115416835852%26c%3DL_Content_C1&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper&SubmittedElement=Linksys%2FFormSubmit%2FProductDownloadSearch&sp_prodsku=1122062340941 <-- that's my router.
[06:52] <giardino> i modiffied the xorg.conf with napo
[06:52] <daxuza> giordino : why X ?
[06:52] <Seveas> giardino, what is the error message?
[06:52] <barkley> lunitik, but i'm pretty happy with a recent colony 2 install, plus apt-get upgrade
[06:52] <kaffeend> BTJustice what is what?
[06:52] <lunitik> barkley, no idea what could be wrong... although I'm using totem-xine
[06:52] <Chaotic_Shield> I want to know if you can get it to assign a static IP (or the same IP everytime the leave expires) to a particular device.
[06:53] <Joose^> hi again xD
[06:53] <znh> Seveas: I'm wondering, why do they make gnome the default wm in ubuntu?
[06:53] <BTJustice> kaffend
[06:53] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield, sure
[06:53] <lunitik> Chaotic_Shield, call the supplier of the router
[06:53] <BTJustice> kaffeend
[06:53] <sorush21> what program do I use to tell the temperature of my CPU
[06:53] <kaffeend> coz it rocks
[06:53] <BTJustice> what is it?
[06:53] <BTJustice> something in KDE?
[06:53] <barkley> lunitik, heh. this is the first time i've ever used a modem on linux in the 8 years i've been using linux
[06:53] <Chaotic_Shield> znh, you can find kubuntu which has KDE instead of Gnome.
[06:53] <giardino> th error msg is I could not start the X server could not find your ideo driver (something like that)
[06:53] <Joose^> i have a problem... i have some mp3 and totem doesn't play them, why?
[06:53] <elvirolo> hi all
[06:53] <lunitik> znh, because the guy that pays for the developement uses gnome
[06:53] <palandia> Hi there
[06:53] <apokryphos> znh: it's Mark Shuttleworth's primary desktop interest
[06:53] <kaffeend> Kafeine is a media player in KDE
[06:53] <Chaotic_Shield> Seveas, ok, next step. How?
[06:53] <znh> Chaotic_Shield: I didn't ask you any question, and I know - I use it myself
[06:53] <sektor> hey
[06:53] <palandia> can anyone help me with apt-get
[06:53] <sektor> i have a strange problem
[06:53] <palandia> please
[06:53] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield, way off topic here, read the manual...
[06:54] <sektor> i need gmake, but can't seem to find it in synaptic
[06:54] <valuedcustomer> could someone help me with screen resolution?
[06:54] <Chaotic_Shield> I did.
[06:54] <sektor> anyone know why it's not in there?
[06:54] <Seveas> znh gnome is easier to support and more stable
[06:54] <Chaotic_Shield> I read it upside down and backwards.
[06:54] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell valuedcustomer about resolution
[06:54] <Funraiser> Chaotic_Shield, ok If seveas is taking care of you, you're all set, i'm outta here
[06:54] <Seveas> (plus it looks better :))
[06:54] <Chaotic_Shield> heh
[06:54] <sektor> valuedcustomer, probably not, but what is your problem?
[06:54] <kaffeend> BTJustice I am truly mad about coffee - not into KDE
[06:54] <Joose^> i have a problem... i have some mp3 and totem doesn't play them, why?
[06:54] <znh> Seveas: I see
[06:54] <gehel2> palandia, state your problem and we might ...
[06:54] <giardino> Seveas the error msg is I could not start the X server could not find your ideo driver (something like that)
[06:54] <lunitik> sektor, gnu make is the default make... install build-essential for a basic devel environment
[06:54] <elvirolo> when i try to add the volume control in the gnome panel, it doesn't show up ... can anyone help me ?
[06:54] <buntu-a> how change the password admin?? please help....
[06:54] <asfra> just a quick n00b question again: is using apt and pressing '-' a good way to do an uinstall( meaning that everything associated with that program disappear)? thanks
[06:54] <Chaotic_Shield> Joose^, type !mpe
[06:54] <Chaotic_Shield> !mp3*
[06:54] <ubotu> Chaotic_Shield: Wish i knew
[06:55] <Joose^> !mpe
[06:55] <Chaotic_Shield> pft.
[06:55] <ubotu> Joose^: I don't know, could you explain it?
[06:55] <valuedcustomer> i have generic nvidia card and had right resolution (1280x1024). now i'm 640x480 with no other option.
[06:55] <Seveas> buntu-a, read what ubotu says
[06:55] <Chaotic_Shield> !mp3
[06:55] <Code_Dark> Winamp not Running
[06:55] <ubotu> I heard mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[06:55] <apokryphos> buntu-a: Ubuntu uses sudo. It's your user password
[06:55] <lunitik> !tell buntu-a about root
[06:55] <Seveas> !root
[06:55] <ubotu> it has been said that root is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:55] <znh> buntu-a: Open a terminal, and typ sudo passwd
[06:55] <daxuza> giardino: when you enter startx ? are-you a probleme with installation
[06:55] <Chaotic_Shield> Joose^, look at the !mp3 link
[06:55] <sektor> valuedcustomer, restart
[06:55] <palandia> i did apt-get update changing my warty repos to hoary, then apt-get dist-upgrade... it has finished now...ho do i lnow if iam already in hoary?
[06:55] <Chaotic_Shield> yeah
[06:55] <sektor> valuedcustomer, i know that sounds shitty, but it worked for me
[06:55] <Chaotic_Shield> that's a really gay script.
[06:55] <kaffeend> !Crack
[06:55] <steven> does somebody know any free shell server
[06:55] <ubotu> The primary cause of people asking me the wrong things.
[06:55] <znh> !
[06:55] <kaffeend> haha
[06:55] <ubotu> znh: I don't know
[06:55] <znh> :-)
[06:56] <Seveas> kaffeend, please don't play with the bot
[06:56] <BTJustice> kaffeend BTJustice I am truly mad about coffee - not into KDE
[06:56] <palandia> i did apt-get update changing my warty repos to hoary, then apt-get dist-upgrade... it has finished now...ho do i lnow if iam already in hoary?
[06:56] <BTJustice> What do you mean?
[06:56] <kaffeend> seveas sorry :s
[06:56] <elvirolo> help anyone ?
[06:56] <valuedcustomer> ok will try
[06:56] <Seveas> palandia, you will need to reboot
[06:56] <giardino> =(
[06:56] <lunitik> palandia, cat /etc/motd
[06:56] <Seveas> and then you will see the difference
[06:56] <gregg_> palandia: /etc/lsb-release
[06:56] <giardino> =(
[06:56] <apokryphos> kaffeend: play with him in /msg as much as you want though :P
[06:58] <giardino> well... thanks yor the help
[06:58] <gregg_> lunitik: uh, nothing about hoary there :)
[06:58] <lunitik> gregg_, bah, they moved it... /etc/issue
[06:58] <kaffeend> love playin with that crazy bot
[06:58] <lunitik> gregg_, actually... I think I just had a brain fry... although it ought to be in a file called '/etc/ubuntu-version' and we should get rid of /etc/debian-version ...
[06:58] <sektor> lunitik, i installed the build-essential thing
[06:59] <daxuza> daxuza
[06:59] <lunitik> sektor, good job?
[06:59] <sektor> lunitik, but still get "gmake: command not found"
[06:59] <gregg_> lunitik: i'd like that too
[06:59] <sektor> lunitik, sorry, i tend to use <enter> too often
[06:59] <gregg_> /etc/debian-version at 3.1 is kinda pointless if you ask me
[06:59] <Seveas> sektor, alias gmake=make
[06:59] <Seveas> sektor, the build script you use is flaky
[06:59] <daxuza> go to make lunch
[06:59] <lunitik> sektor, which make
[07:00] <sektor> it probably is
[07:00] <lunitik> sektor, get a non-crack-using package
[07:00] <sektor> lunitik, euh, dunno what you mean
[07:00] <lunitik> sektor, what are you trying to install?
[07:00] <sektor> lunitik, i dl Chromium from sourceforge and did make
[07:01] <lunitik> sektor, 'apt-get install chromium'
[07:01] <sektor> lunitik, i built it at school, it should work
[07:01] <sektor> lunitik, just need gmake apparently
[07:01] <sektor> Seveas, how do i remove something from the alias list?
[07:02] <Seveas> sektor, chromium is in the repositories....
[07:02] <Seveas> !info chromium
[07:02] <ubotu> chromium: (Fast paced, arcade-style, scrolling space shooter), section universe/games, is optional. Version: 0.9.12-5 (hoary), Packaged size: 112 kB, Installed size: 436 kB
[07:02] <sektor> lol
[07:02] <sektor> not that chromium
[07:02] <Seveas> :)
[07:02] <sektor> chromium is a framework for distributed graphics
[07:03] <Seveas> alias gmake=make should get rid of 'gmake not found' errors
[07:03] <sektor> Seveas, tried that, didn't work
[07:03] <calamari> hi
[07:03] <Seveas> sektor, still the same error?
[07:03] <gregg_> sektor: ./configure'd it?
[07:03] <sektor> /bin/sh: gmake: command not found
[07:03] <lunitik> sektor, edit the configure script to look for make not gmake... its obviously built for a BSD machine
[07:03] <Seveas> argh
[07:04] <Seveas> it executes sh to call gmake
[07:04] <Seveas> that build system is on crack
[07:04] <sektor> lol
[07:04] <lunitik> Seveas, hence what I just said
[07:04] <holycow> guys, what are the proper permissions for the /etc/networking folder ... 644?
[07:04] <Seveas> sektor, sudo ln -s /usr/bin/make /usr/bin/gmake
[07:04] <gregg_> woah, hardcore
[07:04] <sektor> Seveas, tnx :)
[07:05] <calamari> Amaranth: smeg doesn't seem to allow me to delete any menu items. Is this a bug, or has it not been implemented yet?
[07:05] <gregg_> sektor: what kind of build system does this program use?
[07:05] <sektor> Seveas, how do i remove stuff from my alias list?
[07:05] <sektor> gregg_, dunno
[07:05] <gregg_> autotools?
[07:05] <lunitik> holycow, 755
[07:05] <sektor> i'm just supposed to type 'make' and it's supposed to work
[07:05] <lunitik> holycow, its a directory... so its always odd
[07:05] <gregg_> sektor: take a look at the makefile before making crazy symlinks
[07:06] <sektor> too late
[07:06] <monsterror> DOes anyone know if there's a linux version of Azerues?
[07:06] <lunitik> sektor, the script is calling for something else... so tell it not to
[07:06] <holycow> lunitik, okay ... what about the contents? i was about to chmod -R the dir ... ?
[07:06] <lunitik> monsterror, yes
[07:06] <monsterror> Or some other BitTorrent client for that matter?
[07:06] <gregg_> monsterror: azureus is java, so yes
[07:06] <mindmedic> monsterror, its java, and yes there is
[07:06] <lunitik> holycow, no
[07:06] <gregg_> monsterror: well, the original
[07:06] <lunitik> holycow, I'm not telling you each permission though... wtf did you change it?
[07:06] <mindmedic> theres even a gtk version, and next time, at least visit the homepage first
[07:07] <buntu-a> i forget user and password?? please help....how to get
[07:07] <holycow> lunitik, nm, i'm asking what the proper permission set is for the contents on the folder, why it changed is none of your business
[07:07] <kaffeend> can I create desktop shortcut icons for my apps?
[07:07] <holycow> thats okay i got the answer anyway thanks
[07:07] <root__> hi guys
[07:07] <lunitik> holycow, thanks for the attitude... I won't be helping you again...
[07:07] <gehel2> Chaotic_Shield, still trying to set static DHCP addresses on your linksys ? From the manual, it doesnt seems it's possible. Anyway, DHCP is usually a bad idea for network equipement
[07:07] <root__> hi guys
[07:08] <buntu-a> i forget user and password?? please help....how to get
[07:08] <lunitik> root__, come back as a regular user
[07:08] <Chaotic_Shield> hrm.
[07:08] <root__> i have rebooted my warty now i am in hoary
[07:08] <holycow> lunitik, you get what you dish out
[07:08] <Chaotic_Shield> maybe doing it by setting the wifi router as DHCP?
[07:08] <lunitik> holycow, you are now on ignore
[07:08] <holycow> woot!
[07:09] <gehel2> Chaotic_Shield, if you get to me on /msg I might be of some help, but it goes a bit fast in here ...
[07:09] <kaffeend> trying to find out how to make a desktop shortcut
[07:09] <lunitik> palandia, no really... get off IRC and come back as a normal user
[07:09] <palandia> ok now i am palandia
[07:10] <sektor> lunitik, what is this gmake about ?
[07:10] <palandia> i am in recovery mode...
[07:10] <lunitik> sektor, the install scripts are on crack... you need to change them... but you don't appear to want to
[07:10] <palandia> i have a problem with gdm or xserver
[07:10] <lunitik> sektor, gmake is what gnu make is called on BSD machines
[07:10] <gregg_> sektor: non-gnu systems have their own make (which is different from the GNU one), so GNU make gets called gmake
[07:10] <palandia> whe i reboot the machine it enter into level 5 and tries to get into gdm
[07:11] <sektor> gregg_, tnx, at least now i know something :)
[07:11] <lunitik> palandia, su anotheruser
[07:11] <palandia> ok quitind
[07:11] <palandia> g
[07:11] <kaffeend> can anyone tell me what file extension runs a programe please?
[07:11] <lunitik> kaffeend, any
[07:11] <palandia> it ok now?
[07:11] <kaffeend> lunitik any?
[07:11] <lunitik> kaffeend, UNIX understands MIME types... not file extensions
[07:11] <kaffeend> hmmm
[07:11] <gehel2> kaffeend, no file exension. use "chmod a+x <file>" to make it executable
[07:12] <palandia> hi there
[07:12] <kaffeend> simple as that?
[07:12] <palandia> io have upgraded from warty to hoary
[07:12] <palandia> and i still have problems with my Unichrome
[07:12] <lunitik> gehel2, a=all?
[07:12] <gehel2> lunitik, UNIX itself doesnt understand MIME types, some programs do ...
[07:12] <elwood> palandia, what is unichrome?
[07:12] <gehel2> lunitik, a=all yess
[07:12] <palandia> i cant see anything when it goes into X
[07:12] <palandia> VIA/S3 UniChrome GRaphics Card
[07:13] <palandia> X is configured to use vesa
[07:13] <mindmedic> argl, s3
[07:13] <palandia> but when it goes into X
[07:13] <mindmedic> sorry
[07:13] <jkinz> kaffeend: UNIX doesn't even need MIME types. The system identifies files by looking at their actual content, and in some cases, by their "Magic number"
[07:13] <gregg_> unichrome is an via/s3 graphics chipset
[07:13] <kaffeend> does the filename have to be inside the <>?
[07:13] <lunitik> !tell palandia about configx
[07:13] <lunitik> kaffeend, no
[07:14] <gehel2> kaffeend, nope, assuming your file is named some_file, type "chmod a+x some_file"
[07:14] <steven> why do i get this when trying to run mpg321 Can't find a suitable libao driver. (Is device in use?)
[07:14] <kaffeend> lunitik ok thanks
[07:14] <lunitik> steven, because esd is using /dev/dsp
[07:14] <jkinz> kaffeend "<>" is a convention meaning "put something here that matches what is described here"
[07:14] <jkinz> kaffeend: for example <file name> means "use a file name in this part of the command
[07:14] <steven> lunitik, and what is esd
[07:15] <palandia> my prboelm is tahta when i go into X my conosle ttys seems to be in FB or 50 lines or somenthing lioke that but i cant read anything only the first line seems to be in test mode ...and obviously nothing of graphics menus or that...i only see a gray box with blue background and 2 red options
[07:15] <gehel2> kaffeend, we also sometimes use "[some_file] "
[07:15] <lunitik> steven, Enlightened Sound Daemon ... a software mixer
[07:15] <palandia> text mode
[07:15] <steven> lunitik, and how can i make work mpg321
[07:15] <lunitik> steven, allows more than one program to use the sound card... but the apps have to support it
[07:15] <jkinz> kaffeend: what gehel2 said ;-) (but only people using *nix less than 15 years....
[07:15] <palandia> anyone here has VIA/S3 Unichrome ?
[07:15] <gregg_> palandia: uh, try to "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and select the "via" driver... also make sure your monitor timings are OK
[07:15] <lunitik> steven, pkill esd
[07:16] <gregg_> yeah, me
[07:16] <kaffeend> well, I got: chmod: cannot access `TeamSpeak': No such file or directory
[07:16] <sektor> lunitik, where would i change the build script?
[07:16] <joachim_> hi
[07:16] <joachim_> how do I mount a drive & have it appear as belonging to me, not root?
[07:16] <gregg_> I didn't have any problems with it though, even DRI works
[07:16] <steven> lunitik, i still get the same error after pkill esd
[07:16] <lunitik> sektor, in the programs directory... the configure script... like I told you about 15 mins ago
[07:16] <jkinz> kaffeend: then you are not in the same directory as the file or it doesn't exist
[07:16] <palandia> xserver-xorg? i have done the same but with xserver-xfree86 in warty ...it has changed in hoary????
[07:16] <lunitik> steven, ps -e esd
[07:16] <gehel2> kaffeend, what are you trying to do ?
[07:16] <palandia> xserver-xorg? i have done the same but with xserver-xfree86 in warty ...it has changed in hoary????
[07:16] <gregg_> palandia: yeah
[07:16] <lunitik> steven, if that returns something... pkill -HUP esd
[07:16] <kaffeend> tring to run teamspeak
[07:17] <kaffeend> I just want to open it
[07:17] <sektor> lunitik, and how do i recognize the configure script?
[07:17] <palandia> ok i will try it now.... but i have to quit the irc because i have only one tty... :( i do not know why...
[07:17] <palandia> ok i will try it now.... but i have to quit the irc because i have only one tty... :( i do not know why...
[07:17] <lunitik> steven, why aren't you using Rhythmbox though?
[07:17] <gehel2> kaffeend, try using "./TeamSpeak" usually the current directory is not in the PATH
[07:17] <steven> lunitik, ERROR: Unsupported option (BSD syntax)
[07:17] <lunitik> sektor, its called 'configure
[07:17] <lunitik> '
[07:17] <kaffeend> hey - I get to use the cd command
[07:17] <sektor> lunitik, there is nog configure
[07:17] <steven> lunitik, when ps -e esd
[07:17] <sektor> no*
[07:17] <lunitik> steven, bah... pkill -9 esd
[07:18] <steven> lunitik, the same error
[07:18] <gehel2> kaffeend, then you'll get use to the [TAB] key as well !
[07:18] <pfp> joachim_: if it's in fstab, add the 'user' option
[07:19] <lunitik> steven, bah... 'ps -e | grep esd'
[07:19] <kaffeend> hahaha
[07:19] <kaffeend> ok I am lost (again)
[07:20] <elwood> uhm how to esclude packages from upgrade?
[07:20] <kaffeend> can't I r-click it and select "send to desktop (make shortcut)?
[07:20] <_SWAT_> I'm wanted to use SCITE (text editor) right now and tweak the colors etc. When I change the global or user properties file nothing happens. The colors aren't affected. How can this be?
[07:20] <lunitik> elwood, hold them...
[07:20] <kaffeend> that would be too easy tho
[07:21] <elwood> lunitik, can you tell me how?
[07:21] <joachim_> thanks pfp :)
[07:21] <Internett> hi, whats the program tu install programs please
[07:21] <sektor> lunitik, any ideas on what i have to do now?
[07:21] <steven> lunitik, with rhythmbox i get this error there is no plugin installed to handle a mp3 file
[07:21] <gehel2> Internett, synaptic
[07:21] <lunitik> steven, apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[07:22] <steven> cool
[07:22] <steven> thnx
[07:22] <kaffeend> so, what am I meant to be doing again please?
[07:22] <lunitik> elwood, dpkg --set-selection hold pkg
[07:22] <elwood> lunitik, thanks
[07:23] <lunitik> elwood, --set-selections *
[07:23] <pillow> don't you have to add special servers in order to install gstreamer0.8-mad?
[07:23] <gehel2> kaffeend, install the "command line applet" and stop using shortcuts to the desktop ...
[07:23] <occy> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:23] <occy> airsnort: Depends: libpcap0.7 but it is not installable
[07:23] <steven> lunitik, but i cant run mpg321 yet
[07:23] <synstar> I've installed pure-ftpd - but i cant connect to it via ftp localhost. It displays service not available?
[07:23] <occy> any idea how to fix this?
[07:23] <gehel2> kaffeend, or right click on the desktop -> create launcher
[07:23] <lunitik> steven, don't worry about that... rhythmbox uses esd
[07:23] <lunitik> steven, it will work
[07:24] <elwood> lunitik, dpkg: --set-selections does not take any argument...
[07:24] <daniel_mobil> Hi people! I just want to hear a mp3.... i downloaded the mp3 aid.. with the ubuntu packetmanager.. but nothing works =/ can u help me pls?
[07:24] <steven> ok thats cool
[07:24] <palandia> hi there
[07:24] <kaffeend> creating launcher
[07:24] <lunitik> occy, find the package it needs
[07:24] <f_newton> I am a command line applet person myself
[07:24] <gehel2> occy, apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade; apt-get install -f ; apt-get install airsnort
[07:24] <steven> what if i dont start the x window server could i use mpg321 in text mode
[07:24] <palandia> i have tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in my hoary it doesnt have the via driver WHY?
[07:24] <lunitik> elwood, echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections
[07:25] <palandia> i have tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in my hoary it doesnt have the via driver WHY?
[07:25] <lunitik> elwood, change hold to install when you want to install it again
[07:25] <occy> gehel2, no love.
[07:25] <lunitik> elwood, you can do this in Synaptic too...
[07:25] <occy> gehel2, followed that
[07:25] <kaffeend> hahaha... that was soooo easy!
[07:25] <daniel_mobil> :(
[07:25] <gehel2> kaffeend, that's not what you said 5 minutes ago ...
[07:26] <lunitik> steven, sure... mpg123 is better though... but why would you want to do that?
[07:26] <steven> lunitik, i get an error that says that it cant open the device to write
[07:26] <thoreauputic> steven: mpg321 is a commandline program - it has no X frontend as such although various players can use it as a back end
[07:27] <steven> i know its a commandline program thats why i want it just to try something different
[07:27] <palandia> i have tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in my hoary it doesnt have the via driver why? help pme please
[07:27] <lunitik> thoreauputic, esd is using /dev/dsp, so he can't use it... I told him to install gstreamer0.8-mad but he is being stubborn
[07:27] <shammy> I can't run the command sudo modprobe ndiswrapper, i get an error saying cannot insert ndiswrapper, operation not permitted. Why would that be?
[07:27] <thoreauputic> lunitik: I see :)
[07:27] <kaffeend> gehel2 I didn't know about that shortcut b4
[07:27] <steven> lunitik, how can i bring up the esd program becasue i cant play a song with the rhymthmbox
[07:28] <lunitik> steven, you installed the package I told you?
[07:28] <palandia> :( :( :(
[07:28] <lunitik> steven, esd starts automagically
[07:28] <steven> lunitik, yes i did and now i dont get the error for the plug in but it doesnt play anyways
[07:28] <palandia> i have tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in my hoary it doesnt have the via driver why? help me please
[07:29] <gehel2> steven, follow lunitik advice ...
[07:29] <lunitik> steven, sound is on? sound is up?
[07:29] <steven> i think so
[07:29] <lunitik> steven, I don't
[07:29] <lunitik> check
[07:29] <steven> i get two errors the one i told you and another one that says it cant stop the playback
[07:29] <elwood> lunitik, ok it works..i prefer to work on console :)
[07:30] <gehel2> dummy question, but how can I hide the joind/quit messages in xchat ?
[07:30] <lunitik> steven, right click the speaker looking thing in the top right corner... and make sure PCM is turned up
[07:30] <thoreauputic> steven: you could try running gst-register-0.8 to register any plugins you have installed
[07:30] <steven> lunitik, yes its up because xmms runs just fine
[07:30] <lunitik> steven, Rhythmbox isn't though?
[07:31] <jkinz> gehel2: right click on chennel buttin (ubuntu for ex) then select the same name from the menu, and unselect the appropriate item
[07:31] <jkinz> shennel= channel
[07:31] <steven> lunitik, yes rhythmbox does not work
[07:31] <lunitik> elwood, good thing to learn... dpkg is very powerful... dpkg --force-help has a lot of useful options :)
[07:31] <skalpel> what is different between ubuntu and debian?
[07:31] <gehel2> jkinz, thx ! I knew it must be simple !
[07:31] <elwood> lunitik, force make me scared :)
[07:31] <waltz> skalpel, the spelling.
[07:32] <lunitik> elwood, just know what you are doing...
[07:32] <elwood> steven, i am getting the gstreamer plugin right now
[07:32] <elwood> lunitik, yes or my box will became crazy
[07:32] <steven> lunitik, i donw know why it does not work
[07:32] <steven> lunitik, because xmms is working
[07:32] <lunitik> steven, neither do I...
[07:32] <skalpel> waltz: all that huh
[07:32] <gehel2> skalpel, ubuntu has a shorter release cycle, is better looking, more desktop oriented. Debian is great for server/firewalls but is a bit less easy to use
[07:32] <skalpel> waltz: why a seperate distro then?
[07:32] <lunitik> gehel2, better looking? how you figure?
[07:32] <elwood> steven, give me a chance
[07:32] <kaffeend> any ideas why my mic might be playing up in TeamSpeak guys?
[07:33] <skalpel> gehel2: thank you, works for me
[07:33] <elwood> have you got the alsa drivers?
[07:33] <steven> lunitik, i only needed to download that plugin right?
[07:33] <steven> elwood, ok
[07:33] <thoreauputic> steven: xmms does not use the gstreamer engine - rhythmbox does though
[07:33] <lunitik> gehel2, you mean the GDM theme? The wallpaper? cuz thats all thats different
[07:33] <Tomcat_> skalpel: Ubuntu is politically different from Debian, and that's why it has to be a different distro.
[07:33] <lunitik> steven, you downloaded it apparently... so there is no reason it won't work
[07:33] <elwood> steffo, you can use xmms but not rythmbox?
[07:33] <steven> thoreauputic, but i downloaded the plugin
[07:33] <lunitik> elwood, thats correct
[07:34] <kaffeend> where can I access mic settings please?
[07:34] <Tomcat_> skalpel: As gehel2 said, shorter release cycles... ease-of-use for binary-only drivers and apps... platform restriction... and stuff.
[07:34] <gehel2> lunitik, well, Debian put less importance on the niceness of the interface ... Right, with the Sid release it's getting better, but Sarge was horrible, mainly because it was a bit outdated ...
[07:34] <lunitik> thoreauputic, apparently he installed the plugin... because its not complaining about the codec... just not playing...
[07:34] <elwood> steven, and you get some error?
[07:34] <skalpel> tomcat_:how is it politically different/
[07:34] <skalpel> ?
[07:34] <lunitik> steven, the slider representing song progress moves?
[07:34] <thoreauputic> steven: try running gst-register-0.8 in a terminal and see if it registers your plugins
[07:35] <gehel2> skalpel, also add the great security support and tons of architectures supported for Debian
[07:35] <Tomcat_> skalpel: As I just said, Ubuntu does things that Debian would never do.
[07:35] <steven> i get two errors
[07:35] <kaffeend> !mic
[07:35] <ubotu> kaffeend: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[07:35] <kaffeend> damn
[07:35] <Tomcat_> skalpel: Ubuntu ships wireless lan drivers with firmware... that would never be possible in Debian.
[07:35] <pillow> anyone know why none of the tabs work in moz-firefox?
[07:35] <elwood> steven, i got a missin plugin, so i am doing apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins
[07:35] <steven> thoreauputic, i did it
[07:35] <skalpel> tomcat_: someone told me ubuntu was originally developed for the african government, i thought maybe you meant something like that
[07:35] <gehel2> skalpel, Debian is VERY strict on allowing only free (as in speech) program to enter the distro
[07:35] <pillow> ummmm, elwood...
[07:35] <kaffeend> !microphone
[07:35] <ubotu> kaffeend: I give up, what is it?
[07:36] <kaffeend> damn it all to hell
[07:36] <pillow> have you tried synaptic?
[07:36] <thoreauputic> steven, did it say it was registering stuff?
[07:36] <lunitik> elwood, you really don't want to do that... just -mad
[07:36] <skalpel> so ubuntu takes everything good about debian and makes it more accessable?
[07:36] <elwood> lunitik, but i work with a lot of mime types
[07:36] <pillow> even if you wanted all of them, your syntax is a bit questionable
[07:36] <steven> thoreauputic, i think it did Rebuilding user_registry (/root/.gstreamer-0.8/registry.xml) ...
[07:36] <steven> Loaded 146 plugins with 290 features.
[07:36] <Tomcat_> skalpel: That too... it targets ease-of-use for open source software, while Debian... I don't know, Debian wants to be there for everyone. There are many things politically where Ubuntu and Debian are different.
[07:36] <lunitik> skalpel, no... Ubuntu enables you to not think about configuring your box (package sets etc)... other than that, its Debian
[07:37] <Tomcat_> skalpel: And Ubuntu's founder himself said that it's important to him that Debian has different goals than Ubuntu.
[07:37] <f_newton> I think people read too much into debian Tomcat_
[07:37] <steven> i get two errors the one is this: could not pause playback, the second is could not open resource for writing
[07:37] <thoreauputic> steven, OK well try closing and rerunning rhythmbox and see what happens
[07:37] <f_newton> Its a computer operating system not a life philosop;;;;hy
[07:37] <steven> thoreauputic, i just did it and doesnt work
[07:37] <f_newton> hmmm sticky key
[07:37] <lunitik> f_newton, Debian is the foundation for more that 100 distro's... hardly reading too much into it...
[07:37] <gehel2> skalpel, more or less yes. also Debian is very concerned about stability (that is that programs dont change version in the release, only if there is a security issue)
[07:37] <skalpel> can someone tell me why gnomebaker stops at 50% and ejects my disc when i am trying to write?
[07:37] <coldfile1162> is ubuntu have kdevelop?
[07:37] <lunitik> f_newton, Ubuntu is Debian Sid with more testing... thats all
[07:37] <f_newton> well bow to the silicon god... lol
[07:38] <elwood> lunitik, that's why i like it
[07:38] <skalpel> does it have something to do with my atapi drivers? someone said they suck in linux, and i might need to add scsi emulation
[07:38] <steven> elwood, did you have any luck
[07:38] <kaffeend> okay, I am trying to talk on TeamSpeak but the guys can't hear a word I'm saying even tho my mic sensitivity is set to max, is there something in Ubuntu that I can tweak to fix this, please anybody?
[07:38] <lunitik> skalpel, thats old news
[07:38] <thoreauputic> steven, I would try killing esd again and then re run it (I suspect esd is confused somehow)
[07:38] <lunitik> skalpel, enless your cdrw is old
[07:39] <steven> thoreauputic, howdo i do it
[07:39] <elwood> steven, i am listening now music :)
[07:39] <skalpel> lunitik: no it is not. it only happens when i try to write to cd-rw, even after i blank the disc
[07:39] <thoreauputic> steven, killall esd
[07:39] <elwood> steven past me the errors
[07:39] <lukus001> Hi, i need an "aclocal" file installed to install a prorgam i have... the terminal says i can get it from http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu but i guess its not actually called aclocal as a filename... hence why i cant see it in synatic?
[07:40] <f_newton> debian is a really well thought out linux system and ubuntu carries it even further, while doing a good job, but none of that hardly requires such emotional tie
[07:40] <thoreauputic> steven, then try again with rhythmbox
[07:40] <coldfile1162> does anyone here use kubuntu
[07:40] <Beuno> hey, Im developing a project for Ubuntu, and I would like to setup a webpage, I read through the trademark policy and sent an email, but I have had no answer
[07:40] <steven> thoreauputic, killall esd esd: no process killed
[07:40] <Beuno> can anyone give me an idea as of how to proceed?
[07:40] <f_newton> there are basically three linux tributaries from which the dirstros flow
[07:40] <lunitik> skalpel, cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc speed=something --data some.file another.file ... or --audio some.mp3 another.mp3
[07:40] <kaffeend> where the fuck are mic input settings in Gnome? Aaaarrrgh
[07:40] <elwood> steven, ps aux | grep esd
[07:40] <f_newton> and debian is one of them
[07:40] <thoreauputic> steven, OK run esd &
[07:40] <elwood> kaffeend, in the mixer
[07:40] <thoreauputic> steven, include the &
[07:40] <steven> elwood, i get this could not open device for writing
[07:40] <steven> and the other one is could not stop playback
[07:40] <skalpel> lunitik: that would take along time, i am burning a disc full of mp3 files.
[07:40] <lunitik> f_newton, Redhat Debian and mainline?
[07:40] <lukus001> doesn anyone know where i can get aclocal from to install ?
[07:40] <kaffeend> elwood - great! Thanks!! Where is that plz?
[07:40] <f_newton> deb, rh, suse
[07:40] <gehel2> f_newton, which 3 would it be ? Debian, RH and slack ? or SuSE ?
[07:40] <elwood> steven, ...maybe permission problem?
[07:41] <elwood> kaffeend, i use alsamixer from console
[07:41] <f_newton> slack is in a place all by itself
[07:41] <skalpel> lunitik: how would i tell cdrecord to burn a whole dir, all files in it?
[07:41] <steven> ok now its working
[07:41] <kaffeend> ???
[07:41] <steven> it seems like esd was not working
[07:41] <lunitik> skalpel, cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc speed=something --audio *.mp3
[07:41] <thoreauputic> steven, OK it should be fine from now on
[07:41] <holycow> Beuno, well what kind of project? software?
[07:41] <elwood> lunitik, you seems the doctor of er
[07:41] <gehel2> f_newton, just curious, but has there been a lot of forks from SuSE as we see in Debian or RH ? SuSE was one of my first distro, but a long time ago ...
[07:41] <steven> ok thanks everyone
[07:41] <skalpel> lunitik: how do i find out which device node my cd writer is using?
[07:42] <kaffeend> elwood care to elaborate?
[07:42] <f_newton> personally I prefer the debian way. Ive used the RH way for many years simply because it had a better gui and integration but with ubuntu...
[07:42] <steven> i am using fluxbox how can i upgrade all the packages
[07:42] <poningru> guys how do I access the IDLE?
[07:42] <lunitik> gehel2, no... until the Novell purchase, SuSE was very much a closed company
[07:42] <elwood> steven, but your gnome "sounds?" try reboooting or check udev permission of audio...
[07:42] <f_newton> suse was actually a late comer in the early development of linux
[07:42] <skalpel> i enjoyed running slack, but it was a little too much for a newbie
[07:42] <DRPAS> i dont have the via driver in hoary? anyone knows why can it be....
[07:42] <thoreauputic> steven, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[07:42] <Beuno> holycow: yes, kind of, its a mix between a webpage and software to make software installation easier on ubuntu
[07:42] <lunitik> skalpel, if you purchased it from a store preinstalled, its hdc... else, its wherever you put it
[07:42] <f_newton> slack is for those that think why drive when God gave ya legs
[07:42] <steven> thoreauputic, thanks
[07:42] <skalpel> lunitik: ok thank you
[07:43] <skalpel> the speed should be something like 48x?
[07:43] <lunitik> skalpel, hda = primary master ide cable, hdb=primary slave, hdc = secondary master, hdd=secondary slave
[07:43] <gehel2> skalpel, you can even leave out the speed and it will autodect what's best, most of the time it works just fine
[07:43] <lunitik> skalpel, it'll tell you right on the CDRW... the first number for first burn
[07:43] <f_newton> suse did have a lot faster curve because it is a commercial venture, like redhat, but it went enduser instead of server side
[07:44] <steven> well thats all for now i'll be back if i need any help
[07:44] <steven> thanks everyone see ya later
[07:44] <lunitik> gehel2, if you don't put the speed, it defaults to 4
[07:45] <gehel2> lunitik, really ? I had the impression it went much faster here ... I need to check ...
[07:45] <DRPAS> do ihave to use the unichrome.sourceforge.com driver for VIA/S3 Unichrome in hoary?
[07:45] <lunitik> gehel2, I checked that a while ago... but thats what the docs said last time I read them
[07:45] <holycow> ah thats different, you may want to think about it some more and make it more generic so it applies to debian as well
[07:45] <holycow> ubuntu is frozen off of debian unstable every 6 months, you may wish to consider becoming a dd and getting your project sponsored there first
[07:45] <james> I've managed to break lpr
[07:45] <lunitik> james, meet cups
[07:45] <gehel2> lunitik, well, the man page disagree with you ... sorry
[07:46] <james> Cups works fine, but I can't print from firefox
[07:46] <james> firefox seems to use lpr
[07:46] <lunitik> james, cupsys-bsd
[07:46] <james> I think I messed up by deleting a few directories within /var
[07:46] <holycow> james, reinstall time :)
[07:46] <thoreauputic> james, why did you do that?
[07:46] <james> I've tried dpkg-reconfigure
[07:46] <Beuno> holycow: yes, I agree, I would like to make it more generic, but I think it would be easier to start off with ubuntu, and then expand
[07:47] <f_newton> well my experience is the ubuntu printing process is not as good as the one in rh ... no jet cleaning option, no dpi setting option, incomplete driver cache
[07:47] <DRPAS> antobdy can help me please?
[07:47] <Beuno> and since the domain I want to register contains "ubuntu", I just wanted to know
[07:47] <vagamente> how can i unistall limewire? HELP ME...
[07:47] <gehel2> vagamente, how did you install it ?
[07:47] <f_newton> vagamente first you need to find out where it is
[07:48] <f_newton> in shell type whereis limewire
[07:48] <f_newton> note all the locations
[07:48] <thoreauputic> james, fooling around in /var without knowing what you are doing is... not a Good Move (tm)
[07:48] <f_newton> cd to those locations and rm the files
[07:48] <caturOK> hello
[07:48] <james> I was trying to move some of the /var directories to another mounted raid0 partition - then they all got deleted
[07:48] <caturOK> why my umax couldn't detect
[07:48] <barkley> i'm curious if there is a policy of the ubuntu developers/maintainers where they say "ok, don't update right now there's bound to be massive breakage", and "ok, it's ok to update". I'm on breezy and I don't mind a little bit of breakage, but if the desktop/X isn't going to load then that's a problem
[07:48] <vagamente> i installled like it's shown in ubuntu unofficial guide....
[07:48] <lunitik> !smartask is http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[07:48] <ubotu> okay, lunitik
[07:49] <holycow> barkley, there is infact
[07:49] <f_newton> vagamente, if you installed limewire by apt or aptitude you can remove it that way
[07:49] <holycow> barkley, its called release time
[07:49] <james> I've tried apt-get install --reinstall cupsys-bsd and dpkg-reconfigure
[07:49] <caturOK> any body same problem
[07:49] <thoreauputic> lunitik: that could be a very useful factoid :)
[07:49] <gehel2> vagamente, that's the risk when going unstable ...
[07:49] <barkley> holycow, thanks for that insightful comment
[07:49] <caturOK> why my umax couldn't detect
[07:49] <holycow> barkley, in sept/oct you will be safe in running breezy, untill then its for developers only and those that want to help fix it
[07:49] <gregg_> DRPAS: you don't have to install an external driver. it's integrated into hoary
[07:49] <lunitik> james, apt-get install --reinstall runs dpkg-reconfigure (kinda)
[07:49] <lunitik> thoreauputic, :P
[07:49] <f_newton> vagamente, I dont know what that is but I do know if you find all the files you can rm -f them but you better know wht you are doing and not remove the wrong directories
[07:50] <caturOK> how to fix my umax
[07:50] <holycow> barkley, sarcasm is warranted when you are perfectly aware of the consequences of running breezey. it'snot a mystery
[07:50] <caturOK> pls
[07:50] <skalpel> lunitik: i got this error using cdrecord: Warning: Open by 'devname' is unintentional and not supported.
[07:50] <caturOK> oh dear
[07:50] <skalpel> cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dec/hdc'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[07:50] <caturOK> no body help me here
[07:50] <barkley> holycow, colony2 is a mystery of massive breakage
[07:50] <caturOK> hm
[07:50] <lunitik> skalpel, then thats not where it is....
[07:50] <caturOK> why why why why
[07:50] <shammy> Why would I get this error: cannot insert ndiswrapper, operation not permitted. when running this command, sudo modprobe ndiswrapper ?
[07:50] <Beuno> holycrow: how can I be a dd on debian?
[07:50] <lunitik> skalpel, I'm not there, I can't tell you where its plugged in physically...
[07:50] <holycow> barkley, inded :) i did manage to get breezy installed yesterday and xorg running, the new nautilus is spiffy
[07:50] <skalpel> lunitik: how do i get a list of devices on my computer?
[07:50] <barkley> shammy, yes
[07:50] <caturOK> if i'm ask here
[07:50] <f_newton> day 3 with Ubuntu and I am finally getting used to the different "look" ... this system runs really well but I am having serious problems with evolution.
[07:51] <elwood> skalpel, lspci
[07:51] <caturOK> no body give the answer
[07:51] <skalpel> thank you
[07:51] <lunitik> elwood, he needs to know where a drive is located...
[07:51] <barkley> holycow, colony 2 gnome was completely broken for me. luckily i got ndiswrapper and everything updated from the console
[07:51] <holycow> barkley, in all honesty, i doubt there will ever be such a policy regarding unstable releases
[07:51] <lunitik> elwood, not what he actually asked
[07:51] <teferi> okay, something is seriously borked with the newest breezy kernel
[07:51] <teferi> /dev/input/mice is gone
[07:51] <caturOK> helpppppppppppp
[07:51] <shammy> barkley: why would I get that error?
[07:51] <lunitik> teferi, indeed
[07:51] <caturOK> S.O.S
[07:51] <Mondoshawan> hi all i found a bug an the macromedia flash Player 7 for linux on some webpages the fonts ar invisible sombody knows about it something??
[07:51] <teferi> and the new linux-restricted-module setup doesn't seem to work
[07:51] <caturOK> :(
[07:51] <f_newton> what is umax caturOK ?
[07:51] <skalpel> well, i do not see it listed here
[07:51] <caturOK> 2500
[07:51] <teferi> lunitik: anyone working on this? :P
[07:51] <f_newton> and why you speak so broken?
[07:52] <MadForest> is it possible to install without booting from CD?
[07:52] <holycow> Beuno, thats a good question ... generally it requires you to be sponsored by a dd first, before you gain their trust to upload
[07:52] <DRPAS> gregg_: But when i go into dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it dont have the via option in the drivers list
[07:52] <lunitik> teferi, no... they are going to release it like that
[07:52] <barkley> holycow, what i really mean is on the development list people come in and say "don't update right now", do developers/maintainers confirm or deny that?
[07:52] <caturOK> cause i'm from BALI
[07:52] <caturOK> sorry if my english not very well
[07:52] <f_newton> ahhh its been the dream of many here to take a trip to bali
[07:52] <teferi> lunitik: har
[07:52] <lunitik> teferi, Ubuntu is just that popular that we needn't care about the quality of software anymore
[07:52] <holycow> Beuno, i'm not a dd, it might be best to research the debian.org site regarding that question :/ i wish i could be more specific
[07:52] <caturOK> cause i'm from BALI
[07:52] <Beuno> holycrow: :) tnx, so you dont see it like a good idea to go with the ubuntu name?
[07:52] <teferi> lunitik: yes, you're very funny, give yourself a round of applause
[07:52] <skalpel> how can i find out what device node my cd drive is using?
[07:52] <barkley> shammy, you need to sudo to install a driver
[07:53] <lunitik> teferi, ok... and while you're at it... read the topic
[07:53] <Mondoshawan> Somebody also have the same bug with flash player 7? *invisible fonts* ???
[07:53] <caturOK> i'm a ready update xsane
[07:53] <elwood> skalpel, that's different..is mounted?
[07:53] <f_newton> lunitik, So yer adopting the fedora method?
[07:53] <holycow> barkley, neither, status on unstable is always considered borked until release time, with the provisio that if you are going to run it and have the skills submit bugfixes
[07:53] <DRPAS> gregg_: But when i go into dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it dont have the via option in the drivers list
[07:53] <lunitik> f_newton, no... I was adopting sarcasm
[07:53] <caturOK> but why my UMAX 2500 couldn't detect
[07:53] <shammy> barkley: already have
[07:53] <kaffeend> can anyone tell me how to change the s c r ee n res without needing the cd please?
[07:53] <skalpel> elwood: no, i do not think so.
[07:53] <MadForest> Can anyone help: is it possible to install without booting from CD?
[07:53] <skalpel> elwood: how would i know?
[07:54] <thoreauputic> !resolution
[07:54] <ubotu> from memory, resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:54] <teferi> lunitik: just for the record, i've been running debian and debian-derived distributions for the past seven years, i've been running the unstable branch of ubuntu for months now, i'm not an idiot, please don't treat me like one
[07:54] <elwood> skalpel, type mount and see
[07:54] <caturOK> xsetup.sh
[07:54] <f_newton> ditto lunitik
[07:54] <teferi> all I was asking is if it's a known problem and if so if anyone had any idea what the timeframe for a fix is
[07:54] <caturOK> Can anyone help: is it possible to install without booting from CD? <<<<< xsetup.sh
[07:54] <barkley> holycow, i guess the point is we can run breezy, but not have major X/desktop breakage. it doesn't really matter if totem fucks up (as usual), but if the desktop won't boot then we have a problem
[07:54] <lunitik> teferi, so I'm not allowed to call you an idiot for not reading the bugzilla or topic here?
[07:55] <holycow> Beuno, i would say no, ubuntu is the only distro that takes a delta off of debian every 6 months, although i cannot be called debian, it functionally is basically debian polished for a specific workload (so far desktop ... not sure about server)
[07:55] <teferi> lunitik: the "X is still broken" thing has been there for months now...
[07:55] <barkley> lunitik, no you're not dicksmack ;)
[07:55] <teferi> let's see how well it works in lynx, eh.
[07:55] <lunitik> teferi, breezy is very broken... it would be comparible to running experimental
[07:55] <f_newton> what is a restricted module? smacks of something I don't like thinking about
[07:55] <holycow> Beuno, so strategically it makes more sense to have your work poured into debian directly and it should be automagically picked up by ubuntu within the right time frame
[07:56] <teferi> f_newton: drives like madwifi, fglrx, nvidia...
[07:56] <teferi> drivers, even
[07:56] <elwood> skalpel, than read your /etc/fstab and search for it
[07:56] <lunitik> f_newton, restricted modules are non-free modules... ie nvidia
[07:56] <emre> hi all, please help!!, I've had to change my monitor because the other one broke but now I can only get 640x480 / 60Hz?
[07:56] <barkley> shammy, what exactly is your error message when you sudo modprobe ndiswrapper?
[07:56] <f_newton> lunitik, they are freely offered in other distros
[07:56] <f_newton> they are open source replacements
[07:56] <MadForest> xsetup.sh? What does this file do? is it a text file with instructions?
[07:56] <holycow> emre, change your horizontal and vertical refresh rates for your moni in xorg.conf. you can find those either on the back of yoru moni or by googling
[07:56] <james> emre - whats in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[07:56] <Factor[Y] > emre, configure xorg.conf (that helpped me)
[07:56] <lunitik> f_newton, other than SUSE (who pay for distribution of such drivers) name one
[07:56] <f_newton> fedora
[07:56] <lunitik> no
[07:56] <thoreauputic> !tell emre about resolution
[07:56] <Beuno> holycow: I agree, only that my idea is more based on a webpage and a Firefox extension then on actual Ubuntu
[07:56] <f_newton> ok... you tell me about fedora
[07:56] <emre> Identifier "HM204D DT"
[07:57] <emre> Option "DPMS"
[07:57] <lunitik> f_newton, fedora you have to get them from 3rd party locations
[07:57] <emre> #DisplaySize 270 203 1024x768 96dpi
[07:57] <emre> #DisplaySize 338 254 # 1280x960 96dpi
[07:57] <emre> #DisplaySize 338 270 # 1280x1024 96dpi
[07:57] <emre> #DisplaySize 370 277 # 1400x1050 96dpi
[07:57] <emre> #DisplaySize 423 370 # 1600x1400 96dpi
[07:57] <shammy> barkley: I'm on windows right now since I don't have net on ubuntu, but it's Cannot insert ndiswraper (/lib/modules/2.6.10~) Operation not permitted
[07:57] <F0ckF3ar22> is there a debian chat room
[07:57] <skalpel> elwood" /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0
[07:57] <thoreauputic> emre: /topic - please don't paste in the channel
[07:57] <barkley> shammy, ok make sure you have the right ndiswrapper for your kernel
[07:57] <shammy> F0ckF3ar22: /j #debian
[07:57] <jAvier0> hi everyone
[07:57] <lunitik> shammy, you used sudo to issue that command right?
[07:57] <kaffeend> is there a way to adjust my re fresh rate without a cd please anybody? this 60hz rate is killing me
[07:57] <emre> sorry
[07:57] <barkley> emre: yeah, those setting rock
[07:57] <Factor[Y] > emre, you must change values of horizontal and vertical synch (sorry for my bad english)
[07:57] <shammy> lunitik: yes
[07:58] <holycow> Beuno, if its not 'very ubuntu specific' i would say that it belongs in debian my self. perhaps others disagree but i don't see the ubuntu team being interested in a permanent fork of any particular set of packages
[07:58] <f_newton> lunitik, no they are in the repos... the drivers written by nvidia are offered by nvidia ...ati is not very cooperative though
[07:58] <elwood> skalpel, so your device is /dev/hdc and the mount point is /media/cdrom0
[07:58] <MadForest> one more try in case anyone is listening: is it possible to install without booting from CD?
[07:58] <shammy> barkley: how do i check that?
[07:58] <lunitik> f_newton, trust me... they are not in Fedora
[07:58] <barkley> Shachaf, cat /proc/version
[07:58] <jAvier0> i was reading the forums, and somebody recomended told me something about been a 'dd in debian', and i have no idea what that is. anyone here knows?
[07:58] <skalpel> elwood: yes, should i mount it now?
[07:58] <NetGeek> does anyone here use CMS for their web site?
[07:58] <f_newton> lunitik lol no offense dude, but I know they are
[07:58] <elwood> skalpel, you need to mount?
[07:58] <Beuno> holycow: I agree, just, its not a package, it would interact through firefox
[07:58] <emre> will the monitor identify itself again if I just delete the monitor section?
[07:58] <elwood> skalpel, insert a cd
[07:58] <kaffeend> Madforest maybe torrent it?
[07:58] <barkley> shammy, what's your chipset?
[07:58] <f_newton> up to a point that is
[07:59] <holycow> jAvier0, debian developer, browse debian.org to see how you can become a dd
[07:59] <MikeW> I'm about to install ubuntu warty. I'd like to install apache and mysql. Is there a place I can get the apache binary from. I won't want to have to compile it from source. Mysql seem to provide a LOT of binaries on their website but I'm not sure which one to pick.
[07:59] <f_newton> I need to clarify that lunitik
[07:59] <f_newton> up to a point
[07:59] <holycow> jAvier0, its the easiest way to get your work into ubuntu i think
[07:59] <MadForest> Kaffeend I torrented the CD image, but can't boot to CD
[07:59] <starseed> hmm, the gnome-bittorrent client is kind of nice .. has ul cap
[07:59] <barkley> MikeW, dude, synaptic is your friend
[07:59] <caturOK> why why why why
[07:59] <kaffeend> hmmm
[07:59] <MikeW> barkley: The machine doesn't have internet access, so it ISN'T my friend
[07:59] <caturOK> why my umax couldn't detect
[07:59] <jAvier0> holycox, thank you!
[07:59] <lunitik> f_newton, nv is in Fedora... Fedora contains no proprietary software
[07:59] <MadForest> Kaffeend: CD is good, computer bios doesnt support CD boot
[07:59] <f_newton> caturOK, you will get a lot more help if you use patience and not be so demanding
[07:59] <lunitik> f_newton, please don't argue with me
[07:59] <kaffeend> oh
[07:59] <lunitik> thanks
[07:59] <thoreauputic> MikeW: you can get all that with apt or synaptic: it's all in the repositories
[07:59] <holycow> Beuno, well having a firefox extension might best be served as purely an ff extention from the moz website? then later you can package it up for debian and consequently ubuntu if you like?
[08:00] <james> Not sure at which point it got fixed - but I've got LPR working again with a combo of apt-get install --reinstall cupsys-bsd and dpkg-reconfigure - and a chmod 1777 /var/tmp
[08:00] <kaffeend> well, at least you got a reply dude :P
[08:00] <shammy> barkley: i will look
[08:00] <caturOK> hu?
[08:00] <barkley> f_newton, no shit. maybe these greedy fucks should pay for tech support
[08:00] <DVSoftware> hey, something wierd happened to me right now
[08:00] <kaffeend> flash your bios?
[08:00] <MikeW> thoreauputic: again, the machine doesn't have internet access so I won't be able to get it through any repositries. I need to find a link to a binary from this machine and download it
[08:00] <f_newton> lunitik you are right fedora contains NO proprietary software and the nv drivers are provided as open source drivers
[08:00] <holycow> james, hehe, yes that works sometimes indeed
[08:00] <barkley> shammy, use device manager to see what you have
[08:00] <teferi> lunitik: could you perhaps give me relevant the bugzilla bug number? i can't seem to track down a bug with useful information relevant to the issue
[08:00] <caturOK> cause i needed dood
[08:00] <barkley> shammy, or lspci
[08:00] <kaffeend> MadForest try flashing your BIOS
[08:00] <lunitik> f_newton, nv is open source... but its not official in any way
[08:00] <DVSoftware> i've started nvidia-settings and got segmentation fault
[08:01] <f_newton> barkley If I have to learn to be nice (which is hard for me believe me) you should too
[08:01] <shammy> barkley: not on linux, I don't have net on it
[08:01] <Beuno> jAvier0: pete
[08:01] <DVSoftware> then i rebooted my computer
[08:01] <din> how do i add xdm to the default runlevel?
[08:01] <f_newton> lunitik, I will concede and stop
[08:01] <lunitik> teferi, search for breezy ... all those results are relivant to you.
[08:01] <thoreauputic> MikeW: OK - but you will have dependencies to satisfy - you can explore packages.ubuntu.com
[08:01] <DVSoftware> and nvidia logo shows and x crashes with segfault
[08:01] <barkley> f_newton, i wasn't talking about you. i was talking about those greedy fucks that demand answers
[08:01] <shammy> barkley: it is prism2
[08:01] <MadForest> kaffeend: it will take a lot more work to find the bios/ if it's possible to install with booting to cd. I thought I would check here first; but this channel is kinda busy with non-help stuff right now
[08:01] <holycow> f_newton, rofl about the nice comment
[08:01] <holycow> >_>
[08:02] <barkley> shammy, isn't prism2 supported by the kernel?
[08:02] <kaffeend> I know :(
[08:02] <elwood> skalpel, works?
[08:02] <jAvier0> Beuno, thanx for your help ;)
[08:02] <holycow> barkley, yes, but debian distros dont ship with prism2 firmware
[08:02] <barkley> shammy, or prism was
[08:02] <MadForest> Does anyone else have anyidea if it is possible to install without booting to the CD?
[08:02] <jAvier0> bai everyone
[08:02] <jAvier0> exit
[08:02] <holycow> barkley, that must be downloaded from the prism website
[08:02] <f_newton> barkley, I know you werent referring to me...
[08:02] <holycow> barkley, at which piont you can modprobe the drivers and it will work
[08:02] <barkley> f_newton, no, i won't be nice unless i feel like being nice
[08:02] <shammy> barkley: i'm not sure, i;m new to linux but everyone has told me I will need ndiswrapper.
[08:02] <kaffeend> maybe me tho
[08:02] <lunitik> MadForest, wiki.ubuntu.com/Install lists several install methods
[08:02] <kaffeend> someone fucking HELP me!
[08:02] <jab9417> Greetings all.
[08:02] <barkley> shammy, according to holycow you need to get the prism2 firmware from their website
[08:03] <MadForest> lunitik: thanks!
[08:03] <holycow> barkley, oh wrong person, sorry
[08:03] <lunitik> !tell kaffeend about smartask
[08:03] <barkley> f_newton, see..kaffeend is prime example
[08:03] <Razor-X> !smartask
[08:03] <ubotu> it has been said that smartask is http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[08:03] <thoreauputic> MikeW: to make it a bit easier you can run apt-cache depends <package> to see dependencies needed for a package
[08:03] <lunitik> kaffeend, read that and come back showing that you learned something
[08:03] <holycow> shammy, the prism website has a download link, and on there are instructions on WHERE to put the firmware
[08:03] <f_newton> barkley, they have a code of conduct here that they will enforce... Ive read it and it is not in any way unreasonable... sometimes it may be hard for me to rememeber but its a legitimate expectation and therefore acceptable
[08:03] <kaffeend> ok
[08:03] <din> anyone know how to add things to the default runlevel?
[08:03] <din> i forget the command
[08:03] <holycow> shammy, after you put the firmware on y our system, you should b e able to modprobe for your prism card and it should work
[08:03] <jab9417> Can anyone point me to a "How To" or a site with some thoughts on aunticating a Ubuntu box to a Windows AD server.
[08:04] <shammy> barkley: Ok thanks
[08:04] <barkley> f_newton, try reading. i wasn't referring to anyone in particular
[08:04] <barkley> f_newton, until kaffeend showed up
[08:04] <lunitik> MadForest, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation
[08:04] <jab9417> authenicating.. that is.
[08:04] <lunitik> MadForest, sorry
[08:04] <MikeW> thoreauputic: I wish some linux distro made it easy for users to go to a website, download a package that was self contained, would install on any linux distro and 'just work' rather than all this apt-whatever stuff
[08:04] <barkley> MikeW, that's autopackage
[08:05] <barkley> MikeW, and I agree
[08:05] <MadForest> lunitik: found it already. thanks; just needed a direction to read. I didn't see the wiki before
[08:05] <Factor[Y] > maby there is some command that converts .tar.gz to .deb?
[08:05] <highvoltage> MikeW: why!?
[08:05] <nl123456> can someone help me, im trying out ubuntu software and i have some questions about it
[08:05] <Beuno> well, thanks, bye
[08:05] <f_newton> barkley I feel I am only dragging this out by responding to you. One man's ceiling is another man's floor.
[08:05] <barkley> MikeW, repositories work well to a certain point, but fail with ISVs and independent developers
[08:05] <holycow> MikeW, the day that happens linux will become an infested cesspool of spyware that windows is right now
[08:05] <elwood> what do you use for monitoring temperature?
[08:05] <james> nl123456, which questions?
[08:05] <barkley> anybody that thinks repositories is the only answer is brain damaged
[08:05] <concept10> MikeW, Why go backwards? Autopackage is a good solution.
[08:05] <nl123456> how do you log in as "root"
[08:06] <james> you can do most things via sudo
[08:06] <f_newton> hey concept10 yer either up early or late
[08:06] <f_newton> how are ya?
[08:06] <nl123456> and install programs
[08:06] <barkley> who wants to be slave to repositories. people want freedom
[08:06] <james> if you want to login as root you need to first do sudo passwd to set the root password
[08:06] <MikeW> concept10: yes. If there was an autopackage thing for apache and mysql, I would be so happy :D
[08:06] <concept10> f_newton, doing fine. I dont goto work until 5pm
[08:06] <lunitik> barkley, I'd rather be free from searching the web for apps...
[08:06] <skalpel> elwood" no, not at all.
[08:06] <holycow> people want freedome, but people are not prepared to accept responsibility for freedome
[08:06] <james> then you can go su to switch to the root user
[08:06] <concept10> MikeW, why do you need that though?
[08:06] <f_newton> the night shift.... brrr been there done that...for years
[08:06] <kaffeend> okay... I am currently seeing a 60hz refresh rate and I want to get it up to about 85 hz, but I cannot use my cdrom drive as it is broken. Is there another way for me to set my screen's refresh rate please?
[08:06] <Factor[Y] > maby there is some command that converts .tar.gz to .deb?
[08:06] <barkley> lunitik, i don't want to be a slave to repositories. i want freedom
[08:07] <james> barkley, try gentoo then :-)
[08:07] <lunitik> barkley, then waste time looking for software... have fun
[08:07] <concept10> MikeW, you can install more than one application at once with APT
[08:07] <LordSur0> hi
[08:07] <elwood> skalpel, where is the problem?
[08:07] <nl123456> ?????????
[08:07] <Factor[Y] > kaffeend, i dont get it cdrom and refresh rate...
[08:07] <lunitik> james, Gentoo still has a repository... Portage is a repository
[08:07] <thoreauputic> MikeW: one of the issues is that self-contained packages have to have all libraries etc statically compiled which increases size (among other things) It's true that autopackage goes some way to solving this stuff but it has a ways to go
[08:07] <LordSur0> i need install a server of jabber in ubuntu!!! help!
[08:07] <MikeW> concept10: because the machine i'm installing on doesn't have internet access
[08:07] <MadForest> lunitik: the info I needed was there. Thanks again!
[08:07] <lunitik> (well, what it points to is)
[08:07] <Razor-X> Factor[Y] : .tar.gz is an archive, .deb contains packages in a form that Debian can install
[08:07] <skalpel> elwood: here maybe: hdc: media error (bad sector): status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
[08:07] <lunitik> MadForest, you're welcome
[08:07] <concept10> MikeW, Oh, okay.
[08:08] <kaffeend> Factor[Y] apparently, I need to install some packages to change/correct the refresh rate
[08:08] <concept10> MikeW, what about downloading the packages and put them on CD rom?
[08:08] <elwood> skalpel, change cdrom and try
[08:08] <lunitik> Factor[Y] , I believe alien can do that actually...
[08:08] <barkley> anybody that thinks repositories are the only answer needs to start thinking clearly. autopackage solves the problem with other software
[08:08] <kaffeend> but I can't install them from cd
[08:08] <holycow> MikeW, i think its time someone writes up a page about the pros and cons of libraries/repositories/user freedom
[08:08] <Razor-X> lunitik: alien works with RPMs
[08:08] <f_newton> I have this little straightpin wire harness that gets internet access anywhere there's a telephoneline
[08:08] <lunitik> Factor[Y] , Razor-X, for the record, a .deb is simple a tar.gz with pre and post install scripts
[08:08] <barkley> holycow, there was already a thread on the forums about that
[08:08] <f_newton> its from the old days
[08:09] <MikeW> thoreauputic: as a user, I couldn't care about that kind of stuff. I only want to go to a vendors website, download the installer like I can with windows, store it on a usb key and bring it to another machine and install... like I can on windows
[08:09] <holycow> MikeW, the problem is that each has a consequence, and depending on the users preference each one can give them a bad experience
[08:09] <spanglesontoast> how do I use the sleep program
[08:09] <barkley> repositories solve about 90% of the problem
[08:09] <barkley> autopackage solves the other 10%
[08:09] <Razor-X> lunitik: but, a .tar.gz can contain many things
[08:09] <lunitik> Razor-X, alien works with several package formats
[08:09] <Razor-X> non-program files, compilation files
[08:09] <thoreauputic> MikeW: I understand your frustration
[08:09] <f_newton> he feels yer pain MikeW
[08:09] <f_newton> heh
[08:09] <holycow> barkley, ah, link MikeW to that, it should give him a nice overview. i don't like to tell people how to think, but outline the issues surrounding their query
[08:09] <Razor-X> I doubt one program has the capability to convert the majority of the .tar.gz's into .debs
[08:09] <lunitik> Razor-X, man alien ... not tgz ... tar.gz and tgz are one and the same
[08:10] <jab9417> Can anyone point me to a "How To" or a site with some thoughts on aunthenticating a Ubuntu box to a Windows AD server? Or perhaps authenticating to a Open LDAP server?
[08:10] <nl123456> i need some help
[08:10] <spanglesontoast> how do I use the sleep program?
[08:10] <barkley> i was thinking about how autopackage could use dbus to query any distro for their ability to handle autopackages...like gobolinux, or foresight...gentoo, whatever
[08:10] <Strife> does anyone know if it's possible to directly use irssi with a proxy?
[08:10] <Factor[Y] > kaffeend, just use correct vertical and horizontal rates of your monitor in xorg.conf (use google for vertical and horizontal rates)
[08:10] <nl123456> how do you log in as root?
[08:10] <Strife> not the irssiproxy stuff, I want to connect to IRC servers via a proxy
[08:10] <Razor-X> lunitik: even if it did work, i'ld expect it to give very limited functionality
[08:10] <concept10> I tried to use autopackage to install some software and it didnt work for me
[08:10] <kaffeend> Factor[Y] ok
[08:10] <concept10> !rootsudo
[08:10] <ubotu> rootsudo is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:10] <Razor-X> I doubt alien can change my uncompiled MPlayer into a nice deb package
[08:10] <kaffeend> thanks
[08:11] <holycow> Razor-X, heh
[08:11] <barkley> whatchya talking about willis
[08:11] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: sleep 10 && runsomecommand >> runs the command after 10 seconds
[08:11] <lunitik> Razor-X, it will turn a binary tar.gz into a .deb... what more functionality do you want?
[08:11] <gregg_> Strife: socks proxy?
[08:11] <lunitik> Razor-X, read the damn man page
[08:11] <nl123456> what?
[08:11] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: as an example...
[08:11] <Razor-X> lunitik: .......
[08:11] <spanglesontoast> ah ty
[08:11] <Factor[Y] > kaffeend, don't mention it (once again my poor poor english...)
[08:11] <concept10> lunitik, alien does that?
[08:11] <skalpel> elwood: this drive works fine, it is a software problem
[08:11] <lunitik> concept10, yes...
[08:11] <spanglesontoast> I needed that weird bit between
[08:11] <Strife> gregg_: yes
[08:11] <holycow> barkley, thats in interesting point about the 90/10 split ... using autopackage users are running all software unpriviledged correct?
[08:11] <Razor-X> lunitik: I am reading the manpage, but it can compile my MPlayer?
[08:12] <concept10> okay, im going to make this Nvu deb
[08:12] <lunitik> Razor-X, if you're asking that, then you're not reading the man page
[08:12] <barkley> holycow, i belive so. i've never used it because i just compile whatever that i need that isn't in repo
[08:12] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: && means the second part will only run if the part to the left completes without error
[08:12] <Razor-X> lunitik: I want to make the point known in the channel
[08:12] <holycow> barkley, sasme here
[08:12] <f_newton> lunitik, i havent been able to get alien to do that... ive changed rpms to deb but not tgz
[08:12] <gregg_> Strife: it's possible, but I don't know how
[08:12] <dimitris> Any crack-attack fans! I became addicted!!! :-D
[08:12] <barkley> holycow, but we need point-n-click for the newbies/windows users
[08:12] <spanglesontoast> erm
[08:12] <spanglesontoast> how do i make it into hours?
[08:12] <lunitik> Razor-X, just let them read the man page instead of being pedantic
[08:12] <gregg_> you might want to use socksify or something similar
[08:12] <shammy> barkley: I cannot find prisms site with their firmware, do you have a link? It seems there are around 3billion companies named prism
[08:13] <concept10> What is that little status bar in Xchat underneath the user names??
[08:13] <barkley> shammy, no i don't
[08:13] <Razor-X> lunitik: being bookish? ;)
[08:13] <f_newton> shammy try intersil
[08:13] <dr_willis> concept10, its a lag bar
[08:13] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: e.g. sleep 8h && playloudmusic ;)
[08:13] <barkley> shammy, actually who makes your card...not the chipset manufacturer
[08:13] <spanglesontoast> ah
[08:13] <spanglesontoast> ty
[08:13] <f_newton> the intersil prism2 driver
[08:13] <holycow> barkley, i will only accept that idea IF it is within some type of 'unpriviledged' setup where the repo acts as their main 'trusted' source
[08:13] <Strife> gregg_: all right, I'll look into it... thanks
[08:13] <dimitris> How can i start a new game when i play --solo without restarting the game everytime?
[08:13] <lunitik> concept10, they show lag time and something else
[08:13] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: really, man sleep - it isn't hard :)
[08:13] <kaffeend> Factor[Y] what is xorg.conf?
[08:13] <Razor-X> dimitris: what game?
[08:13] <barkley> holycow, what repo in the context of autopackage?
[08:13] <holycow> my accepting the idea means nothing tho, hehe :)
[08:14] <dimitris> Razor-X, Crack-attack
[08:14] <concept10> Oh, I thought it was telling how cool I was (only 25%)
[08:14] <Factor[Y] > kaffeend, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:14] <spanglesontoast> it didn't say anything about that
[08:14] <lunitik> concept10, lag and throttle ... no idea what throttle is for though, never seen it move
[08:14] <kaffeend> thanks
[08:14] <lunitik> barkley, autopackage is in main I think... at worst in universe
[08:14] <shammy> barkley: netgear, it's a usb adapter, WG111
[08:15] <spanglesontoast> I shall sleep now ty
[08:15] <spanglesontoast> :)
[08:15] <f_newton> oh thats a whole different problem
[08:15] <Razor-X> dimitris: it continues of the last game?
[08:15] <concept10> f_newton, someone broke into my sisters house and stole her laptop and her husbands desktop while they were sleeping
[08:15] <kaffeend> Factor[Y] just get> bash: etc/X11/xorg.conf: No such file or directory
[08:15] <f_newton> oh man! thats rough...
[08:15] <concept10> f_newton, can you believe that?
[08:15] <barkley> shammy, not sure what to tell you..now that you brought usb into the mix, but i would try and do what holycow suggested and get the firmware
[08:15] <lunitik> kaffeend, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:15] <f_newton> they need a dog
[08:15] <lunitik> kaffeend, the first / is important
[08:16] <barkley> lunitik, yeah, but that's just the actual tool autopackage
[08:16] <kaffeend> oops :s
[08:16] <{cYanide}> hey er i tried to install ubuntu and erm, my screen res is like limited to 640 480 (i have an intel inbuild graphics adapter (scary things)) any ideas on a fix?
[08:16] <concept10> f_newton, crawled through a window
[08:16] <Razor-X> !tell {cYanide} about resolution
[08:16] <thoreauputic> pity spangles left.. the man page for "sleep" is tiny and clearly says: SUFFIX may be s for seconds (the default),
[08:16] <thoreauputic> m for minutes, h for hours or d for days.
[08:16] <f_newton> but yes I can believe it... they live in Oak Cliff? or should I say el cliffo de oaka?
[08:16] <Factor[Y] > kaffeend, use / before etc like /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:16] <barkley> lunitik, holycow was talking about unprivledged which i'm not sure he's getting at
[08:16] <dimitris> Razor-X, I use crack-attack --solo to play a one player game but when it finishes i can't start a new game. I have to exit the game and start it again to play one more game and so on!
[08:16] <concept10> f_newton, somewhere in connecticut
[08:16] <f_newton> in connecticut?>
[08:17] <f_newton> I thought those were nice educated people way up there?
[08:17] <kaffeend> what about: bash: /etc/X11/xorg.conf: Permission denied
[08:17] <barkley> so what is the relationship of the cairo dependency to gtk+ in breezy right now. i haven't really seen much slowdown
[08:17] <kaffeend> sudo?
[08:17] <lunitik> f_newton, well off families have crack head kids too
[08:17] <concept10> f_newton, I thought the same but I guess thieves are everywhere along with them.
[08:17] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:17] <f_newton> I had a couple of people try to break into my car while I was standing ten feet from it last weekend
[08:17] <kaffeend> k
[08:17] <concept10> f_newton, where?
[08:17] <barkley> test
[08:18] <Strife> heh, I get "aborted: core dump" when I try to socksify irssi
[08:18] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: you think that file should be accessible to users? *grin*
[08:18] <f_newton> its not the well off bit lunitik its the culture of taking what they want
[08:18] <lunitik> f_newton, addiction is a bitch
[08:18] <buntu-a> hoy...................... please help me , i lost my pass root ...
[08:18] <jwage> Hey i'm on a laptop and i just got a new FlatScreen LCD Monitor. What all do I have to do to get it to work on Linux? (Edit xorg.conf where??) anything else?
[08:18] <concept10> heh
[08:18] <Razor-X> Strife: SSH is better than SOCKS
[08:18] <f_newton> I run a homeless ministry lunitik and I deal with this kind of thing on a very large scale daily
[08:18] <lunitik> buntu-a, no you didn't...
[08:18] <jwage> can someone point me to a tutorial,or howto or site ?
[08:18] <lunitik> !tell buntu-a about root
[08:18] <Razor-X> !tell buntu-a about rootsudo
[08:18] <_SWAT_> jwage, edit xorg.conf (espcially the refresh rate)
[08:18] <kaffeend> Success!
[08:18] <holycow> barkley, i consider repositories a community vetted source of software, the filtering system for keeping crap out is amazing, particularly spyware. the moment we allow windows type installation linux is forever gone down the windows spyware route imho
[08:19] <jwage> _SWAT_, but what do I edit?
[08:19] <Strife> Razor-X: technically, I am using SSH... SSH tunneling, that is
[08:19] <kaffeend> thanks everyone
[08:19] <jwage> _SWAT_, where can i find some documentation on it?
[08:19] <lunitik> f_newton, I just got out of jail... I've seen it from a very different perspective
[08:19] <{cYanide}> one more thing, er i have a usb adsl modem, and i need some info on how to install it (its a sagem 800 fast)
[08:19] <Razor-X> Strife: then what went wrong?
[08:19] <_SWAT_> jwage, look for a passage with the word refresh in it :D
[08:19] <thoreauputic> jwage: no, run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:19] <Strife> Razor-X: but in most applications where I can set the proxy protocol, socks works
[08:19] <concept10> !bot
[08:19] <ubotu> Indeed, that is what I am.
[08:19] <f_newton> been there too, mostly because I feed homeless people, but yeah I can understand
[08:19] <Strife> Razor-X: no idea, it just says core dump without actually showing me any of the problems
[08:19] <_SWAT_> jwage, man xorg.conf
[08:19] <jwage> thoreauputic, will it recognize my new monitor?
[08:19] <Razor-X> Strife: gotta love descriptive error problems ;)
[08:19] <_SWAT_> my problem: I'm just new to SciTE and want to customize it. So I edit foreground and backgroundcolor for my current user. (also tested as global). But somehow SciTE won't use the config. How come?
[08:20] <thoreauputic> jwage: most likely yes
[08:20] <lunitik> f_newton, criminals tell other criminals things they would never tell someone outside the system
[08:20] <barkley> holycow, dude, i'm not buying that argument. people should be allowed to install whatever software they want. this isn't some marxist state where the repository masters are the politburu
[08:20] <f_newton> lunitik, you give them too much credit
[08:20] <Razor-X> _SWAT_: did I reccomend you to SciTE? ;)
[08:20] <buntu-a> how about pass admin,,,,????
[08:20] <holycow> barkley, *nod* i don't think anyone is stopping them. you and i both install software
[08:20] <thoreauputic> jwage: if you are nervous choose the vesa driver to get it running, then you can rerun that command to fine tune
[08:20] <lunitik> barkley, name a peice of software on linux, and I can show you a repository that includes it
[08:20] <_SWAT_> Razor-X, don't think so. But I already checked the FAQ/Dox :-|
[08:20] <Razor-X> !tell buntu-a about root
[08:20] <hondje> that was a piss poor troll
[08:20] <holycow> barkley, do you think there is a way to perhaps 'label' safe software in some way?
[08:20] <lunitik> f_newton, I really don't...
[08:20] <barkley> holycow, yes, me and you have no problem with ./configure && make && make install
[08:21] <_SWAT_> Razor-X, why do you use SciTE ?
[08:21] <Razor-X> _SWAT_: hmmmm... I'm not sure, really
[08:21] <Razor-X> _SWAT_: I used to use it on a Windows box
[08:21] <f_newton> most of these sneak thieves dont really think they are wrong... they feel its your fault for being so stupid as to leave your stuff where they can get it
[08:21] <gregg_> Strife: tsocks or dante-client should work in case (and with any program, for that matter)
[08:21] <concept10> ubotu, botjunkie is probably someone that uses me so much my internal scripts wear-down, or maybe someone named Razor-X or thoreauputic :)
[08:21] <ubotu> okay, concept10
[08:21] <Razor-X> for a GUI, SciTE is really nice and clean-cut
[08:21] <concept10> heh
[08:21] <barkley> holycow, why treat your users as children. listen, you and I install source code and we don't look at the source
[08:21] <lunitik> f_newton, why are you telling me this... ?
[08:21] <barkley> holycow, we don't know what the hell it really does
[08:21] <holycow> barkley, okay i see your point about freedom, but how do we help the users know whats 'safe' and whats not? within the context of spyware and viruses?
[08:21] <f_newton> dont know
[08:21] <barkley> holycow, you don't
[08:21] <_SWAT_> Razor-X, I use it on my Ubuntu box. But somehow it won't accept my properties. (I used apt-get to install it)
[08:22] <concept10> Razor-X, did you see that? :)
[08:22] <teferi> there, hacked around the missing device node...
[08:22] <holycow> you don't?
[08:22] <thoreauputic> concept10: I'm glad you said "use" and not "abuse" ;)
[08:22] <lunitik> f_newton, like I said... I was in jail, just got out a week ago... I know full well the mind set of the criminal
[08:22] <holycow> lol i couldnt' disagree with that more
[08:22] <concept10> thoreauputic, you like that one?
[08:22] <hondje> A user wants a piece of software, they want it the easiest way possible. That's what the repositories are full. If newbies wanted to work, they'd all go LFS
[08:22] <Razor-X> _SWAT_: can you force it to open a config file, like pass it a parameter?
[08:22] <barkley> holycow, i guess if you want to be a nurse ratchett about it, then you could patch autopackage to say "note, this is not offically vetted software"
[08:22] <Razor-X> hondje: meh ;)
[08:22] <thoreauputic> concept10: sure - the bot is there to be used :)
[08:22] <f_newton> ah you learned all about criminals eh?
[08:22] <_SWAT_> Razor-X, how would I do it? (example ? )
[08:22] <holycow> a user is a child, just like a child has no business playing with fire, a user has no business administering a system, just like i have no business fixing my car without qualifications
[08:22] <f_newton> sorry was being sarcastic
[08:22] <concept10> !botjunkie
[08:22] <ubotu> botjunkie is probably probably someone that uses me so much my internal scripts wear-down, or maybe someone named Razor-X or thoreauputic :)
[08:22] <Razor-X> _SWAT_: try reading the manpage
[08:23] <Razor-X> woohoo!
[08:23] <barkley> holycow, i don't like this "official" or "safe" crap though and I don't automagically trust maintainers
[08:23] <Razor-X> i'm a botjunkie!
[08:23] <_SWAT_> Razor-X, is the parameter thing mandatory ?
[08:23] <Razor-X> ;)
[08:23] <holycow> deviating from those standards results in disaster and knowledge, and while knowledge is wanted disaster is not
[08:23] <lunitik> f_newton, yes... if there is one thing Jail definatly does, its produce better criminals
[08:23] <Razor-X> _SWAT_: possibly
[08:23] <concept10> ubotu forget botjunkie
[08:23] <ubotu> i forgot botjunkie, concept10
[08:23] <hondje> Then don't trust them, it's not like you're being forced to
[08:23] <holycow> barkley, good point, but i trust the user less
[08:23] <hondje> You can be lazy and use apt, or not
[08:23] <Razor-X> _SWAT_: but, you can then put it in a shortcut of sorts, so you just click the button, et voila
[08:23] <barkley> holycow, but the user has the freedom...or should
[08:23] <barkley> holycow, why do you care if the user is a fuckup?
[08:23] <hondje> The user has the freedom
[08:23] <Razor-X> hondje: you shouldn't restrit the user that much from choices
[08:23] <barkley> holycow, you can't "regulate" that
[08:24] <hondje> Go download something, and build it
[08:24] <Razor-X> I believe linux thrives on choice
[08:24] <lunitik> f_newton, 1000+ criminals being around each other 24/7... I will never understand why someone thought that was a good idea
[08:24] <OC-Elf> only way to learn is to play around
[08:24] <holycow> because the nature of computer systems, because of the networking effect, a fuckup affect everyone simultaneously
[08:24] <holycow> you only need one machine to infect 10' of thousands or spam relentlessly
[08:24] <f_newton> county jail lunitik ?
[08:24] <barkley> holycow, fine. let's have a gestapo-style government agency regulating our computer usage
[08:24] <holycow> barkley, your mistaken 'regulation' for 'suggestion'
[08:24] <lunitik> f_newton, jail is county... prison is state or federal
[08:24] <hondje> Prison is fun, I should /topic that
[08:24] <thoreauputic> OC-Elf: I recommend lots of reading before playing around ;)
[08:24] <f_newton> concept10, cya
[08:25] <holycow> the 'suggestion' that the community has 'voted' that a piece of software is 'safe' is not regulation
[08:25] <barkley> holycow, who the hell is "the community"?
[08:25] <buntu-a> tonk is not in the sudoers file. this insident will be reported <<<<--- ????????
[08:25] <f_newton> lunitik, you are indeed an expert..
[08:25] <holycow> barkley, everyone
[08:25] <barkley> holycow, everyone?
[08:25] <holycow> yes everyone
[08:25] <thoreauputic> buntu-a: your user doesn't have sudo privileges, clearly
[08:25] <holycow> i trust the debian community and the ubuntu community
[08:25] <barkley> holycow, then ubuntu shouldn't provide the autotools or compilers
[08:26] <holycow> i don't know any of them
[08:26] <f_newton> even us back alley fringe types
[08:26] <OC-Elf> thoreauputic, well i consider playing around a must, and then read occasionally if are stuck or messed up something, lol
[08:26] <holycow> but the communities actions have proven overall right and beneficial
[08:26] <Sonderblade> i installed kernel-i686-smp and now all apps take at most 50% cpu.. does that mean that my computer became half as fast?
[08:26] <barkley> Sonderblade, yes ;)
[08:26] <buntu-a> so................. how?????
[08:26] <barkley> hehe
[08:26] <holycow> therefore they ubuntu/debian community has filtered out for me a whole slew of issues i otherwise would haveto make a choice about on my own
[08:26] <Factor[Y] > some prog for *.rar's?
[08:26] <holycow> i didn't HAVETO use either, i could of just used linuxfromscratch.org
[08:26] <desrt> Factor[Y] ; unrar-nonfree
[08:27] <barkley> holycow. either you have freedom or you don't
[08:27] <desrt> Factor[Y] ; if you install that program then fileroller will automatically be able to deal with rar files
[08:27] <OC-Elf> aye guys, i have been trying to get the latest kernel for ubuntu
[08:27] <thoreauputic> buntu-a: is tonk the user created on installation? If not, sudo visudo to add tonk to the sudoers file
[08:27] <desrt> OC-Elf; you already have it
[08:27] <holycow> barkley, you always have freedom, you cannot legislate away freedom
[08:27] <lunitik> buntu-a, reboot, press ESC when prompted... go to rescue mode... add yourself to the file and reboot
[08:27] <Factor[Y] > desrt, thx
[08:27] <holycow> barkley, the semantic of freedom are non negotiable
[08:27] <barkley> holycow, of course you can...but that's offtopic
[08:27] <OC-Elf> i tried apt-get install linux-tree
[08:27] <holycow> we arent talking about fredom we are talking about 'metadata' about software packages
[08:27] <kaffeend> !refresh rate
[08:27] <ubotu> kaffeend: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[08:27] <buntu-a> tonk is user...
[08:27] <desrt> OC-Elf; what are you trying to do, exactly? install 2.6.12 on hoary?
[08:28] <lunitik> OC-Elf, linux-headers
[08:28] <lunitik> desrt, presumably install a module
[08:28] <apokryphos> kaffeend: what are you trying to do?
[08:28] <OC-Elf> desrt, hmmm nope, just the latest version of the ubuntu kernel
[08:28] <lunitik> else I get to hurt him
[08:28] <desrt> OC-Elf; cool. you already have it, then.
[08:28] <lunitik> doh
[08:28] <lunitik> OC-Elf, apt-get install linux-686
[08:28] <kaffeend> apokryphos I need to set my screens refresh rate but I'm lost
[08:29] <kaffeend> and rapidly going blind
[08:29] <OC-Elf> lunitik, alrighty gonna give that a go now
[08:29] <lunitik> OC-Elf, chances are, you already have the latest hoary kernel
[08:29] <apokryphos> kaffeend: surely it'll be under the resolution component in gnome... whatever that is.
[08:29] <lunitik> OC-Elf, you don't want to try breezy's kernel
[08:29] <kaffeend> it is but for some reason it shows only 60 hz
[08:30] <lunitik> apokryphos, System > Preferences > Screen Resolution ... and no
[08:30] <OC-Elf> lunitik, i currently have 2.6.10-5-386 running
[08:30] <kaffeend> so of coarse it all has to be done "by hand" and I don't have the requisite skills to do it
[08:30] <lunitik> apokryphos, if you wish to guide him through the process of adding more resolutions to xorg.conf, feel free though ;)
[08:30] <OC-Elf> lunitik, is that the latest version of the ubuntu kernel?
[08:30] <apokryphos> kaffeend: then you have to add the option into your xorg.conf file
[08:30] <lunitik> OC-Elf, thats the latest, yes
[08:30] <apokryphos> lunitik: it would show the other refresh rates, though, if they were available.
[08:31] <kaffeend> apokryphos done that I just need to figure out what to change
[08:31] <lunitik> apokryphos, I rarely have good luck with that tool
[08:31] <apokryphos> kaffeend: easiest way is probably just to do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:31] <OC-Elf> lunitik, but the command u gave me "apt-get install linux-686" is showing some other kernel versions
[08:31] <kaffeend> gone thru three pages of google search results for screen refresh rates
[08:32] <lunitik> apokryphos, in my experience, XRANDR is very bad
[08:32] <apokryphos> lunitik: why? It's always been fine here
[08:32] <lunitik> OC-Elf, say 'y' if it asks you a question
[08:32] <lunitik> apokryphos, no idea... I usually don't bother much with it though, just do it manually...
[08:33] <apokryphos> lunitik: oh wait, I thought you said krandr.. no worries.
[08:33] <OC-Elf> lunitik, i kinda know how to use ubuntu well, just wanted to know what would be the difference betwwen the 386 and 686 kernels
[08:33] <lunitik> apokryphos, nah... running Ubuntu currently
[08:33] <lunitik> OC-Elf, chip functions
[08:33] <fakeowl> hi!
[08:34] <fakeowl> how do I execute a command after another one has closed?
[08:34] <OC-Elf> lunitik, so that would target the p4s and other more recent procs?
[08:34] <fakeowl> i want to load mplayer, then once it's done, do something else
[08:34] <fakeowl> not done loading "done" finished with, on it's exit, do something else
[08:34] <lunitik> fakeowl, somecmd && anothercmd
[08:34] <apokryphos> fakeowl: or somecmd ; somecmd
[08:35] <lunitik> apokryphos, he said once its done
[08:35] <lunitik> apokryphos, ; continues whether the previous was successful or not
[08:35] <fakeowl> thanks lunitik
[08:36] <_SWAT_> Razor-X, somehow I can't find how I could set an entire config file as a parameter. I even used google (probably missused). Can you help me out here?
[08:36] <apokryphos> lunitik: ? with the above when somecmd closes/exits somecmd2 will start
[08:36] <PurpleMotion> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO] (rev 01)
[08:36] <PurpleMotion> YAY!
[08:36] <PurpleMotion> i have a real video card now
[08:36] <raDeon> WHO CALLED ME
[08:37] <raDeon> WHAT THE FUCK.
[08:37] <lunitik> apokryphos, somecmd && anothercmd starts somecmd, waits for it to exit normally, then runs anothercmd .... somecmd ; anothercmd just runs everything in order
[08:37] <hubsi> hello, one question... what is the newest ubuntu kernel .. 2.6.12 or 2.6.10
[08:37] <PurpleMotion> now, should i keep the xorg radeom driver or try an ati proprietary driver?
[08:37] <IcemanV9> 2.6.10
[08:37] <apokryphos> lunitik: anothercmd won't start until the somcmd process is terminated, though
[08:38] <hubsi> but why do i get Linux hnp 2.6.12-3-386 when i write uname -a ?
[08:38] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: lunitik you are both right
[08:38] <OC-Elf> hubsi, u can however download and install the vanilla kernel sources
[08:38] <PurpleMotion> fglrx is radeon, right?
[08:38] <raDeon> WHO CALLED ME
[08:38] <raDeon> WHAT THE FUCK!??
[08:38] <PurpleMotion> nobody dipshit, im talking about my video card
[08:38] <apokryphos> raDeon: please don't swear. If you wanna find out who called you do a search
[08:38] <deprave> calm down you beligerent jabberwoki.
[08:38] <raDeon> ok
[08:39] <thoreauputic> hubsi: cat /etc/issue - are you running breezy?
[08:39] <PurpleMotion> :D
[08:39] <raDeon> i think it was PurpleMotion
[08:39] <buntu-a> how to login admin desktop?
[08:39] <raDeon> i'm not sure though
[08:39] <PurpleMotion> it was heh
[08:39] <raDeon> but it just might be
[08:39] <raDeon> HOW DARE YOU!??
[08:39] <deprave> belligerent even
[08:39] <deprave> upset
[08:39] <PurpleMotion> easy
[08:39] <apokryphos> raDeon: and quit shouting
[08:39] <lunitik> PurpleMotion, if you have some time... and some patience... couldn't do any harm
[08:39] <lunitik> buntu-a, you don't
[08:39] <PurpleMotion> lunitik: sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx xorg-driver-fglrx-dev fglrx-control
[08:39] <PurpleMotion> heheh
[08:40] <raDeon> HELLO!???
[08:40] <thoreauputic> raDeon: pipe down or we'll sick Seveas on you ;-)
[08:40] <PurpleMotion> already have drivers
[08:40] <raDeon> WHAT!??
[08:40] <lunitik> raDeon, if you're trying to be funny... its not working... stop
[08:40] <raDeon> I'M IN A LIBRARY!
[08:40] <raDeon> A LIBRARY!!!
[08:40] <PurpleMotion> LOL
[08:40] <buntu-a> you don't ?
[08:40] <apokryphos> raDeon: quit shouting
[08:40] <OC-Elf> true
[08:40] <PurpleMotion> lunitik: yeah, it is
[08:40] <deprave> haha
[08:40] <raDeon> YEAH CIAO!
[08:40] <PurpleMotion> i think he's hilarius
[08:40] <hubsi> yeah.. but i installed hoary.. but now its breezy.. wth...
[08:40] <deprave> yeah that's funny.
[08:40] <OC-Elf> and your point?
[08:40] <Spudchat> hey guys how do i make a folder hidden?
[08:40] <hubsi> i'm going to get crazy
[08:40] <PurpleMotion> radeon radeon radeon radeon
[08:40] <Seveas> don't feed the trolls
[08:40] <Choubaka> Spudchat: rename it to something with a . in front
[08:40] <raDeon2> ok i'm sorry
[08:41] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: that would be because you haven't seen him do this over and over again :)
[08:41] <Spudchat> thanks a lot
[08:41] <raDeon2> undo that i'll go back to lurking
[08:41] <Amaranth> raDeon2: Change your nick or leave, please.
[08:41] <PurpleMotion> he can't its banned
[08:41] <deprave> what's the definition of a troll again? someone with a personality?
[08:41] <raven3x7> hello
[08:41] <Amaranth> raDeon2: And stop evading a ban.
[08:41] <raDeon2> im not banned
[08:41] <raDeon2> im +q'd
[08:41] <PurpleMotion> same dif
[08:42] <PurpleMotion> im glad i dont piss you guys off very much
[08:42] <thoreauputic> deprave: clever trolls have personality, yes
[08:42] <Choubaka> PurpleMotion: :D
[08:42] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: He does this about once a day.
[08:42] <equex> !dict -d jargon troll
[08:42] <barkley> what was wrong with his nick, i just alt-tabbed back?
[08:42] <ubotu> could not find definition for -d jargon troll
[08:42] <Seveas> Amaranth, static IP?
[08:42] <thoreauputic> !dict troll
[08:42] <Amaranth> barkley: ever heard of a radeon video card?
[08:42] <barkley> Amaranth, of course, i have one
[08:42] <Amaranth> Seveas: no clue, doubtful
[08:42] <PurpleMotion> okay, i gotta restart x
[08:43] <lunitik> deprave, a troll is someone that persists to annoy, with no real goal in mind other than being annoying
[08:43] <PurpleMotion> see how this radeom driver does
[08:43] <PurpleMotion> bbiaf
[08:43] <buntu-a> system admin can`t login from dekstop<<<<-----how\????
[08:43] <Seveas> ok, ident+provider ban then
[08:43] <Amaranth> barkley: well, obviously people talk about them in this channel which makes his irc client beep or blink or whatever
[08:43] <Amaranth> barkley: and he gets all pissy and demands to know who called him every time
[08:43] <barkley> Amaranth, and that's a problem why?
[08:43] <equex> 2. n. An individual who chronically trolls in sense 1; regularly
[08:43] <equex> posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a newsgroup,
[08:43] <equex> discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to annoy
[08:43] <equex> someone or disrupt a discussion.
[08:43] <barkley> Amaranth, oh...hehe
[08:43] <deprave> lunitik : i can be annoying, but i'm here for a purpose, can i be a half troll with purple mana?
[08:43] <Seveas> equex, do not paste in here please
[08:43] <equex> oops
[08:43] <barkley> Seveas, it was 4 lines
[08:43] <deprave> or maybe a half-troll with +10 armor
[08:44] <Chaotic_Shield> rofl
[08:44] <equex> sorry.. thougth it was another channel :)
[08:44] <Seveas> barkley, makes no difference
[08:44] <barkley> Seveas, bullshit
[08:44] <IcemanV9> what is the best method to back up my home directory (11GB) to another box? then rebuild the box and restore my home directory back from the other box?
[08:44] <lunitik> deprave, if you do not intend to add anything to a discussion, just don't type anything... sure way to avoid being a troll
[08:44] <Seveas> barkley, language...
[08:44] <thoreauputic> actually, trolls *used* to often have a purpose: namely to make people think. The lesser trolls have resulted in trolling becoming a lost art
[08:44] <pestilence> IcemanV9: i like rdiff-backup
[08:45] <raven3x7> anyone got afterstep working correctly with ubuntu?
[08:45] <barkley> Seveas, what about language? english? what?
[08:45] <deprave> lunitik interesting perspective, reminds me of communism.
[08:45] <deprave> anyone here use snort?
[08:45] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: reminds me of the bad modern pseudophilosophy. It used to be something really entertaining, now it's just... pseudo-pseudophilosophy :|
[08:45] <raven3x7> deprave communism?
[08:45] <barkley> deprave, yes. linux users must accept "community" groupthink without question...it does sound like fascist communism
[08:45] <buntu-a> how to run network admin?
[08:46] <apokryphos> barkley: Use your brain. Language as in, tone down your language; profanity.
[08:46] <deprave> groupthink
[08:46] <deprave> haha
[08:46] <f_newton> barkely fascism and communism are two opposite poles
[08:46] <lunitik> deprave, communism was a good idea... just doesn't work with a human phsyce well... most people are born to follow, many are born to lead... thus communism will never truely happen
[08:46] <deprave> big brother is watching us
[08:46] <deprave> lunitik : that's a communist talking!
[08:46] <barkley> deprave, the linux weak-minded newbies are prone to groupthink propaganda, like a cambodian re-education camp
[08:46] <Burgundavia> guys, this discussion is complete off-topic
[08:46] <f_newton> well one thins is for sure\
[08:46] <Burgundavia> please take it elsewhere
[08:46] <pestilence> IcemanV9: it allows you to make incremental backups easily, so backing up a 11gb partition can take 1 minute if only 5 megs have changed
[08:46] <apokryphos> But fear not, #ubuntu-offtopic is always available
[08:47] <deprave> barkley : indeed, where do all the Winstons of this IngSoc era hang out?
[08:47] <deprave> ah nice
[08:47] <f_newton> Burgundavia, what is the off topic toleration acceptance level
[08:47] <f_newton> ?
[08:47] <barkley> deprave, they're using BSD
[08:47] <lunitik> deprave, no, thats an educated person talking... read some of Marxx's works on the subject...
[08:47] <deprave> barkley : haha indeed.
[08:47] <Seveas> people, this is not a politics channal, move politics to Wubuntu-offtopic
[08:47] <barkley> deprave, ...where FSF/Stallman commie propaganda is laughed at
[08:47] <Seveas> f_newton, low
[08:47] <Seveas> especially when it's busy
[08:47] <thoreauputic> lunitik: this is a slightly more sophisticated troll - you are falling for it I fear :)
[08:48] <buntu-a> how to run network admin ?(a give my password can't)
[08:48] <f_newton> k
[08:48] <lunitik> deprave, in communism... no one is more important than another... doctors aren't paid more than store clerks or lawyers... more freedom to do what you want in theory, no worry of money
[08:48] <IcemanV9> pestilence: i was planning to do this once; backup, rebuild, restore
[08:48] <Seveas> buntu-a, sudo network-admin
[08:48] <jmcnaught> has anybody had trouble with totem (gstreamer&xine) and other media players that use xv crashing the whole system?
[08:48] <barkley> lunitik is defending fascists
[08:48] <lunitik> thoreauputic, haha... I'm always a sucker for a debate :P
[08:48] <Seveas> lunitik, please take off-topic discussion elsewhere
[08:48] <barkley> but that's typical
[08:48] <Seveas> barkley, you too
[08:48] <deprave> lunitik : and in the real world, people that work hard to get to a highly respected occupation get paid for it.
[08:48] <pestilence> IcemanV9: it will still work, but it's always a very good idea to backup regularly (read: daily)
[08:48] <deprave> ok
[08:48] <deprave> im done
[08:49] <highvoltage> deprave: HAHAHAHAHA
[08:49] <pestilence> IcemanV9: if you were just doing it once, scp -a should work too...but i prefer rdiff-backup regardless.
[08:49] <pestilence> oops
[08:49] <pestilence> i meant scp -rp
[08:49] <pestilence> :)
[08:49] <IcemanV9> pestilence: i know, i know ... it is a good practice to backup daily :)
[08:50] <barkley> lunitik, i'll meet you in ubuntu-offtopic so you can explain how communism is good
[08:50] <IcemanV9> pestilence: or nc (netcat)
[08:50] <fakeowl> hello again!
[08:50] <fakeowl> is there a shell command to exit the active x session?
[08:51] <holycow> barkley deprave, yes. linux users must accept "community" groupthink without question...it does sound like fascist communism <-- this is wrong and a deliberate troll
[08:51] <highvoltage> active x!?
[08:51] <Seveas> sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart
[08:51] <fakeowl> like a stopx script or something
[08:51] <highvoltage> /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[08:51] <fakeowl> im not sure i want to restart gdm
[08:51] <holycow> barkley, if you honestly believe that i find it hard that you are as knowledgeable about linux as you seem to be
[08:51] <Seveas> highvoltage, active 'x connection'
[08:51] <Seveas> :)
[08:51] <fakeowl> i have an x server that i load on my tv adhoc
[08:51] <pestilence> IcemanV9: hrmmm...something tells me that's not what you want. but i've never heard of netcat. also see: rsync (what rdiff-backup uses)
[08:51] <highvoltage> shew!
[08:51] <fakeowl> on tty8
[08:51] <deprave> holycow : we have moved on in our lives, you should. dwelling in the past will result to vulnerability.
[08:52] <fakeowl> just want to kill that so that'll go back to the other running x server
[08:52] <hubsi> http://source.rfc822.org/pub/mirror/releases.ubuntu.com/5.04/ubuntu-5.04-install is this one hoary?
[08:52] <monsterror> Hey everyone
[08:52] <Seveas> hubsi, yep
[08:52] <IcemanV9> pestilence: ha. i used it once (nc). it took forever over a local network.
[08:52] <Madeye> hi
[08:53] <fakeowl> bascially im asking if there's a command line equivalent of ctrl+alt+del?
[08:53] <thoreauputic> deprave: you will be assimilated...resistance is futile :)
[08:53] <highvoltage> fakeowl: "reboot"
[08:53] <holycow> fakeowl, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[08:53] <fakeowl> but won't that killall running x servers?
[08:53] <IcemanV9> pestilence: i was looking for an easiest, fastest method to backup /home dir
[08:53] <highvoltage> holycow: that would be a ctrl+alt+backspace :)
[08:53] <holycow> doh!
[08:53] <fakeowl> oh yeah :P
[08:54] <fakeowl> thats actually what i want though :P
[08:54] <monsterror> DOes anyone know of a place to learn how to make login screens and splash screens?
[08:54] <fakeowl> command line equiv of ctrl+alt+backspace
[08:54] <holycow> highvoltage, indeedy, hehe :)
[08:54] <fakeowl> but not like that holycow
[08:54] <Zen> hey is winex free?
[08:54] <calamari> maybe I just need to reboot... but xmms / bmp tell me "Couldn't open audio".. mplayer is able to play sound, but also gives errors. Any idea what's up?
[08:54] <pestilence> IcemanV9: sudo rdiff-backup /home [email protected]::/my/backup/dir
[08:54] <highvoltage> monsterror: splash screens are just .png files, located in /usr/share/pixmaps/splash
[08:54] <rob> hello all can anyone recommed a video and audio media player. I am still looking for one and want some other user opinions.
[08:54] <fakeowl> i have an x server running, i load another one, once that's done i want to ctrl+alt+backspace
[08:54] <highvoltage> monsterror: you can simply replace the files there.
[08:55] <calamari> rob: mplayer
[08:55] <pestilence> IcemanV9: you need rdiff-backup on both machines, of course
[08:55] <barosl> let's ET - http://barosl.com/pub/desktop/barosl-desktop-1123180809.jpg
[08:55] <thoreauputic> calamari: try setting the xmms output plugin to esound
[08:55] <fakeowl> but i need to do the ctrl+alt+backspace bit from the command line
[08:55] <barosl> =3=33
[08:55] <highvoltage> monsterror: gdm themes are just a bunch of xml files you can edit.
[08:55] <Zen> hey.. is WineX Free?
[08:55] <fakeowl> is that possible?
[08:55] <Seveas> monsterror, art.gnome.org/faq.php can help
[08:55] <OC-Elf> rob, mplayer is good at what id does
[08:55] <monsterror> Thanks, guys.
[08:55] <OC-Elf> Zen, no it is not
[08:55] <highvoltage> fakeowl: does "/etc/init.d/gdm restart" not suffice?
[08:55] <^thehatsrule^> Zen: depends on what you get, the full package is commercial tho
[08:55] <jmcnaught> Zen: it's free if you get it from their CVS (but that doesn't include everything)... otherwise you have to pay a subscription
[08:55] <cix> Hi I just installed Ubuntu on my laptop, but why do I not get asked to make a root pass?
[08:56] <OC-Elf> Zen, however u can get wine for free from winehq.com
[08:56] <apokryphos> !rootsudo
[08:56] <ubotu> well, rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:56] <highvoltage> Zen: WineX/Cedega is not free.
[08:56] <fakeowl> highvoltage: wouldnt restarting gdm kill both my running x servers though
[08:56] <equex> VLC + MPlayer = allround combo
[08:56] <equex> seems to work with everything
[08:56] <apokryphos> cix: ubuntu uses sudo; see the link above
[08:56] <holycow> cix, there is none, everything on ubuntu is sudoed as necessary
[08:56] <thoreauputic> fakeowl: ps aux | grep -i X ; kill <pidof second X server> ?
[08:56] <Zen> does anyone know of a free alternative that can play games decently?
[08:56] <rob> I don't like mplayers gui though is it skinnable?
[08:56] <^thehatsrule^> barosl: ill play, but youre in korea? O.o
[08:56] <cix> holycow, and that means?
[08:56] <OC-Elf> jmcnaught, that requires a compile and lacks installshield support
[08:56] <OC-Elf> sucks
[08:56] <calamari> thoreauputic: didn't make a difference.. I decided to try all 3, alsa, esound and oss
[08:57] <IcemanV9> pestilence: ok. will try that way. thanks. :)
[08:57] <barosl> ^thehatsrule^, yes hehe :)
[08:57] <Zen> does anyone know of a free alternative to winex that can play games decently?
[08:57] <holycow> cix, to invoke commands that require root priviledges you do sudo command -switch
[08:57] <highvoltage> fakeowl: "gdm-signal --help" might be of assistance.
[08:57] <jmcnaught> Zen: a lot of games work with regular wine, have you tried that?
[08:57] <^thehatsrule^> barosl: lol, but then i think i get bad pinag :P
[08:57] <barosl> i just found wonderful game and very interested :-)
[08:57] <holycow> cix, theoretically it helps to prevent newbs from running as root, and limits exposure to the root priviledges i guess
[08:57] <cix> holycow, hm ok, and I can't setup a root password anyway ?
[08:57] <cix> ok
[08:57] <Zen> ill have a go
[08:58] <Seveas> cix, you can
[08:58] <Seveas> but it's advised not to do that
[08:58] <barosl> ^thehatsrule^, oh yes... i think
[08:58] <holycow> cix, you can set one up sure, but its not necessary
[08:58] <Seveas> !root
[08:58] <ubotu> root is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:58] <Seveas> ^-- read that cix
[08:58] <calamari> I wonder how well qemu + kqemu would do for games
[08:58] <cix> thx
[08:58] <cix> are you all running ubuntu in here?
[08:59] <Seveas> I think most do :)
[08:59] <^thehatsrule^> barosl: unless you have a fast dedicated server?
[08:59] <direwolf> is
[08:59] <jmcnaught> calamari: pretty badly... i had kqemu running winXP and it was usuable, but still pretty slow
[08:59] <^thehatsrule^> barosl: or one in between?
[08:59] <barosl> ^thehatsrule^, nope :-(
[08:59] <barosl> =3
[08:59] <thoreauputic> fakeowl: actually ps aux | grep X would result in a more readable output
[08:59] <calamari> jmcnaught: oic.. I didn't try with xp, only 98, and it crashed out before it'd load up
[08:59] <^thehatsrule^> barosl: lol :P you know what ping you get to any US server?
[08:59] <IcemanV9> cix: what do you think? :)
[08:59] <calamari> regular qemu is nice.. at least not as slow as bochs :)
[09:00] <barosl> ^thehatsrule^, no. i don't know any famous US server... could you tell me one?
[09:00] <holycow> cix, ubuntu on the desktop, debian on the servers
[09:00] <cix> well, I just did not get the impression that you guys were n00bs and I have heard that ubuntu is for n00b's :S that's why I asked
[09:00] <^thehatsrule^> barosl: i just go random :S - see #WolfET ? :P
[09:00] <Seveas> cix, hehe
[09:01] <OC-Elf> later guys
[09:01] <Seveas> the support crew in here is to support the new linux users :)
[09:01] <thoreauputic> cix: Ubuntu is for everyone :)
[09:01] <fakeowl> ah thanks thoreauputic
[09:01] <Seveas> (and we hat the term noobs or newbies :))
[09:01] <^thehatsrule^> well cix, it IS user-friendly, whats wrong with that? :P
[09:01] <holycow> cix, well because it's easy to use does not mean its not powerfull, it just means its properly engineered
[09:01] <direwolf> ive got a question ...when i booted up my computer this morning for some reason my wireless card driver modules were already inserted (did so automatically on start i guess). how can i change that ?
[09:01] <fakeowl> one step closer at least!
[09:01] <cix> heh, so how do you get in deep with this os? I just started using linux for real today :S and quitted ms ... :S
[09:01] <f_newton> cix well im a n00b with ubuntu but I have found it to be good for everyone actually ... unless ya just gotta have something broken all the time to fix where upon I recommend fedora
[09:01] <calamari> nothing wrong with user friendly.. that's why I'm still a user.. :)
[09:01] <holycow> cix, however there is no faking and handholding, say like xandros that pretends to be windows but really isn't
[09:01] <thoreauputic> fakeowl: note upper case X ;)
[09:01] <cix> heh :)
[09:01] <direwolf> i say this because i use ndiswrapper for most things , but have to use the driver modules for other things
[09:01] <Seveas> cix, if you want a linux intro: www.tldp.org
[09:02] <Seveas> direwolf, add them to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent auto-loadin
[09:02] <cix> Seveas, yeah well were to start lol, I know that site ..... it's bigger than the bible
[09:02] <Seveas> hehe
[09:02] <direwolf> ok great seveas thank you very much
[09:02] <zAo^> who can help me with ProFTPd?
[09:02] <thoreauputic> cix: http://tuxfiles.org :)
[09:02] <holycow> cix, do you run linux in any form on a box?
[09:02] <zAo^> The connection stops @ "227 Entering Passive Mode"
[09:03] <zAo^> and simply hangs
[09:03] <Seveas> http://tldp.org/guides.html <-- read any 'linux intro' there
[09:03] <Seveas> just pick one, read a few lines, if you kie it read on
[09:03] <Seveas> otherwise pick another :)
[09:03] <teferi> man, this new linux-restricted-modules thing in breezy is bizarre
[09:03] <thoreauputic> cix: also for a more hard-core approach type " man intro " in a terminal
[09:03] <zAo^> teferi, ?
[09:04] <cix> holycow, I just installed it on my laptop, and will finally delete MS maybe on may desktop if I can run my games with the same performance on linux as on ms
[09:04] <cix> that's the only reason why I haven't switched complete to linux :/
[09:04] <f_newton> good luck
[09:04] <jmcnaught> is it easy to upgrade to breezy if you have hoary backports installed?
[09:04] <calamari> is there a way to find out what is using a module.. similar to lsof which tells what is using a filesystem?
[09:04] <PurpleMotion> okay
[09:04] <Seveas> lsmod
[09:04] <teferi> zAo^: all the compiled object files get put in /lib/linux-restricted-modules and then linked into kernel modules on boot and stuck in a tmpfs
[09:04] <holycow> cix, ah games, ehe, well you can run some using cedega but probably not all
[09:04] <cix> thoreauputic, yes I like the hardcore way a bit more :)
[09:04] <teferi> and something is quite fucked with loading them
[09:04] <fakeowl> what would be the best way to extract that info thoreauputic, sed?
[09:04] <PurpleMotion> i installed the xorg-driver-fglrx and fgl_glxgears returns "Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0"." and exits
[09:04] <cix> holycow, yes I know, and the performance and fps isn't the same that really sucks :/
[09:04] <holycow> cix, how do you like it so far? and why the switch if i may ask?
[09:05] <zAo^> teferi, pff :S Did not even notice (old kernel + modules). What happend :S
[09:05] <calamari> Seveas: ahh, thanks .. I didn't see lsmod for what it was
[09:05] <PurpleMotion> how am i supposed to get XFree86-DRI when I'm using xorg?
[09:05] <thoreauputic> fakeowl: or maybe 'cut'
[09:05] <teferi> zAo^: well, i modprobe a module and it completes successfully, but nothing happens :P
[09:05] <PurpleMotion> and glxgears performs HORRIBLY
[09:05] <zAo^> lol
[09:05] <holycow> cix, the performance is equal on games that are natively ported to linux, say doom3, but otherwise you are always taking a hit with something like cedega
[09:05] <cix> holycow, it's free, and I'm tired of microsoft and their goddam money politic
[09:05] <teferi> module's not in /proc/modules or anything
[09:05] <teferi> really quite odd
[09:06] <cix> I don't want to support a compyany with that kind of a polic
[09:06] <cix> policy
[09:06] <Seveas> teferi, check dmesg :)
[09:06] <holycow> cix, interesting, well welcome, have fun :)
[09:06] <teferi> Seveas: nothing
[09:06] <cix> and linux, is far more secure I heard, and modern
[09:06] <thoreauputic> fakeowl: much more elegant: pgrep X
[09:06] <teferi> Seveas: i've been over this already a few times
[09:06] <zAo^> teferi, #ubuntu-devel ;-)
[09:06] <holycow> cix, thats why i switched too actually
[09:06] <PurpleMotion> 388 frames in 6.0 seconds = 64.667 FPS <-- that SUCKS
[09:06] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, ouch
[09:06] <fakeowl> aha!
[09:06] <Seveas> indeed
[09:06] <PurpleMotion> i was getting 150+ using the radeon driver
[09:06] <DVSoftware> cix, well, i play a lot games on my ubuntu
[09:06] <DVSoftware> PurpleMotion, just ignore it
[09:06] <PurpleMotion> what is wrong with the fglrx driver
[09:06] <fakeowl> that's the one, thanks again thoreauputic!
[09:06] <DVSoftware> cix, cedega isn't completly free
[09:06] <DVSoftware> and games you run in cedega, are probably not free
[09:06] <DVSoftware> PurpleMotion, install radeon driver
[09:06] <calamari> hmm, interesting.. it says snd_au8830 is in use, but lsmod doesn't show anything next to it
[09:07] <thoreauputic> fakeowl: I should have thought of that before :)
[09:07] <teferi> zAo^: i don't want to waste the developers' time by asking for support...
[09:07] <cix> heh, well I play f1 challenge, and setting that game up with my wheel + patches that would be a hell on ubuntu I think
[09:07] <zAo^> PurpleMotion, 20013 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4002.600 FPS on a GF4 Ti :)
[09:07] <cix> that's why I don't switch os complete....but it really annoys me actually :S
[09:07] <PurpleMotion> EXACTLY my point
[09:07] <PurpleMotion> this is an 8x 128mb radeon 9250
[09:07] <zAo^> teferi, hmm. well, it is testing after all, so ..
[09:07] <DVSoftware> PurpleMotion, go to www.ati.com, and download xorg drivers
[09:07] <teferi> zAo^: yeah, i know
[09:08] <teferi> zAo^: usually i can dig myself out of breezy holes pretty well - i've been using linux for close to a decade now
[09:08] <PurpleMotion> DVSoftware: i'm using the xorg-driver-fglrx
[09:08] <teferi> and debian or debian-derived for most of that
[09:08] <PurpleMotion> zAo^: try that fullscreened
[09:08] <cix> but my first impression is very good ;)
[09:08] <DVSoftware> PurpleMotion, did you enabled driver in xorg.conf?
[09:08] <PurpleMotion> zAo^: my results were fullscreen windowed (1280x960)
[09:08] <PurpleMotion> DVSoftware: yeah.
[09:08] <DVSoftware> changing from radeon to fglrx?
[09:08] <zAo^> teferi, so can I, but the Xorg probs are difficult for me: AIX // SUN administrator :)
[09:08] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, ehrm...
[09:08] <Seveas> fullscreen it's slow
[09:09] <PurpleMotion> holdon, ill pastebin my xorg.conf so you guys can see im not an idiot
[09:09] <PurpleMotion> Seveas: i was getting 150+ on the radeon driver, and i only get 60 on the fglrx driver
[09:09] <DVSoftware> i trust you don't paste
[09:09] <zAo^> PurpleMotion, 1639 frames in 5.0 seconds = 327.800 FPS :$ 1280x1024x24
[09:09] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, i'm getting 111 on 1024x768
[09:09] <teferi> zAo^: it just baffles me when things silently fail like that. and if it's a kernel problem, i can't very well strace or gdb it...
[09:10] <gregg_> PurpleMotion: does direct rendering even work?
[09:10] <teferi> gah
[09:10] <teferi> weirder and WEIRDER
[09:10] <teferi> init_module("ELF0x135ee) = -1 EEXIST (File exists)
[09:10] <Seveas> hmm
[09:10] <zAo^> teferi, btw: is there a Breezy users channel that you know of
[09:10] <DVSoftware> PurpleMotion, i would install official driver from ati.com
[09:10] <teferi> and yet it's not in /proc/modules
[09:10] <gregg_> PurpleMotion: gxlinfo | grep direct
[09:10] <teferi> zAo^: not tha ti know of
[09:10] <PurpleMotion> http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/951
[09:10] <zAo^> k
[09:10] <PurpleMotion> there's my xorg.conf
[09:10] <Seveas> teferi, will stracing the modprobe help?
[09:10] <teferi> Seveas: that's what i just did
[09:10] <Seveas> kk :)
[09:11] <teferi> and that's where i found the init_module call...
[09:11] <teferi> this is really bizarre
[09:11] <Seveas> indeed
[09:11] <PurpleMotion> {jay@psilocybin (~)}:$ glxinfo | grep direct
[09:11] <PurpleMotion> Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:11] <PurpleMotion> direct rendering: No
[09:11] <PurpleMotion> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[09:11] <PurpleMotion> I have DRI turned on though
[09:11] <zAo^> well, it isnt
[09:11] <DVSoftware> PurpleMotion, that's your mistake
[09:11] <equex> my glxinfo says Direct rendering: YES but still i get bad fps
[09:11] <zAo^> PurpleMotion, look at you /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[09:11] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, do you have LoadModule "glcore" in your xorg.conf?
[09:11] <gregg_> PurpleMotion: check your xorg log
[09:11] <equex> with radeon 9200
[09:11] <DVSoftware> ati drivers have their own dri extension
[09:12] <kadigibox> Anyone use AMD64 ubuntu? I am wanting to know how the distro is. any glitches anyone noticed ect
[09:12] <PurpleMotion> no, i dont have glcore in load
[09:12] <zAo^> kadigibox, no flash, nog codecs, thats all :)
[09:12] <barosl> equex, what fps do you get?
[09:12] <DVSoftware> disable dri in config
[09:12] <DVSoftware> kadigibox, me
[09:12] <PurpleMotion> zAo^, gregg_: what am i looking for in this log?
[09:12] <kadigibox> no flash as in flash cards or *.swf
[09:12] <gregg_> 1995 frames in 5.0 seconds = 399.000 FPS
[09:13] <zAo^> PurpleMotion, lines that start with (EE)
[09:13] <gregg_> and that's via unichrome integrated crap shit :)
[09:13] <zAo^> so use "grep EE"
[09:13] <DVSoftware> kadigibox, i had a glitch with nvidia driver, acctualy 32bit compatibility
[09:13] <DVSoftware> but for unsupported stuff like flash codec
[09:13] <DVSoftware> i will setup chroot
[09:13] <PurpleMotion> {jay@psilocybin (~)}:$ cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE
[09:13] <PurpleMotion> (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
[09:13] <PurpleMotion> (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
[09:14] <equex> barosl: i get about 700 fps with the default small glxgears window
[09:14] <PurpleMotion> i think it's just that i dont have glcore loaded
[09:14] <kadigibox> what kind of glitch. I have 50 computers I am building and I am wondering if I should stick with debian or ubuntu
[09:14] <equex> barosl: and all my GL apps are slooow
[09:14] <PurpleMotion> im gonna try it
[09:14] <kadigibox> and they are useing NVidia
[09:14] <barosl> equex, do you use ati-drivers?
[09:14] <equex> barosl: yes.
[09:14] <DVSoftware> kadigibox, if you are not playing games in cedega
[09:14] <DVSoftware> you are ok
[09:15] <jasoncohen> kadigibox, well, for one thing debian doesn't have openoffice in it's amd64 distro
[09:15] <PurpleMotion> need to restart x, bbiaf
[09:15] <Spudchat> ive officially moved to linux...took the windows stciker of my laptop lol
[09:15] <DVSoftware> jasoncohen, not beta, but it have final
[09:15] <barosl> equex, did you "opengl-update ati" ?
[09:15] <Seveas> Spudchat, hehe
[09:15] <jasoncohen> kadigibox, you would have to install it in a chroot...ubuntu simply includes the 32 bit version and is installed by default
[09:15] <direwolf> i leave it on mine to remind me
[09:15] <Seveas> I did that too when I bought mine :)
[09:15] <mpmc> Spudchat: Someone talked sense.... try telling that to my brother!
[09:15] <thoreauputic> Spudchat: welcome to Freedom ;)
[09:15] <equex> barosl: maybe, ill do it afain
[09:15] <equex> again*
[09:15] <Spudchat> lol
[09:16] <Spudchat> thats what it is
[09:16] <barosl> equex, and "fglrx" in "device" section on xorg.conf
[09:16] <mpmc> You'll find ubuntu much easier to handle..
[09:16] <Spudchat> i dont have to restart every 5 minutes or pay for junk i dont need just to have the hope of security
[09:16] <Kaosfury> I just got a sound blaster live! 24-bit sound card and wanted to know how to get the system to "see" the card.
[09:16] <barosl> Section "Device"
[09:16] <kadigibox> Ubuntu is based off of SID right?
[09:16] <barosl> Driver "fglrx"
[09:16] <mpmc> I have to have a firewall on windows, not linux :D
[09:17] <Seveas> barosl, NO pasting in here
[09:17] <equex> barosl: sudo: opengl-update: command not found :/
[09:17] <direwolf> id say thats a common misconception but ...
[09:17] <barosl> Seveas, sorry
[09:17] <barosl> equex, ...?!
[09:17] <craigevil> anyone having problems importing bookamrks into Opera8.02?
[09:17] <jasoncohen> mpmc, you also don't need anti-virus or anti-spyware software
[09:17] <holycow> Spudchat, one of the advantages the community has over commercial companies is that we can ditch bad ideas without having to worry about supporting a var network or legacy stuff because of paying customers
[09:17] <^thehatsrule^> equex, using fglrx?
[09:17] <barosl> equex, ...oops, i think opengl-update is gentoo command... sorry :(
[09:18] <holycow> on the other hand we don't exactly have 32 billion in cash in the bank either
[09:18] <DVSoftware> what jerk i am
[09:18] <Spudchat> yeah true dat
[09:18] <Seveas> kadigibox, indeed
[09:18] <Spudchat> and the help is much better lol
[09:18] <Seveas> all Ubuntu versions are based on Sid
[09:18] <barosl> equex, but is there "Driver fglrx" in xorg.conf like above?
[09:18] <kadigibox> being its based off of SID how stable is it?
[09:18] <Seveas> kadigibox, very :)
[09:18] <direwolf> ill bbiab
[09:19] <thoreauputic> 05:18:54 up 42 days, 13:37, 3 users, load average: 0.28, 0.54, 0.39
[09:19] <thoreauputic> kadigibox: solid
[09:19] <equex> barosl, ^thehatsrule^ one moment i will check whats exactly in there right now.
[09:19] <DVSoftware> thoreauputic, nice
[09:19] <Seveas> 21:28:47 up 56 days, 11:06, 4 users, load average: 0.15, 0.04, 0.01
[09:19] <kadigibox> and is there any differences between the live CD and the install? I am thinking of testing the AMD64 live CD if its not much different then what it installs
[09:19] <Burgundavia> kadigibox, not much
[09:19] <thoreauputic> Seveas: heheh - you win ;)
[09:20] <Burgundavia> kadigibox, the devlopers have put a lot of effort into making sure they are similar
[09:20] <Seveas> thoreauputic, that's on a server I installed, my hamo machines don't go beyond a day
[09:20] <DVSoftware> well... they are slightly different
[09:20] <thoreauputic> Seveas: but if not for a power outage I would be ahead :)
[09:20] <Seveas> I still shut them down at night :)
[09:20] <Kaosfury> I just got a sound blaster live! 24-bit sound card and wanted to know how to get the system to "see" the card.
[09:20] <kadigibox> Also is there an advanced install cause I dont like KDE or Gnome
[09:20] <Burgundavia> the hardware detection for the both should be the same
[09:20] <Seveas> thoreauputic, ghe, /me has UPS :)
[09:20] <Burgundavia> kadigibox, yes, server install
[09:20] <craigevil> 15:20:14 up 63 days, 13:11, 2 users, load average: 0.29, 0.29, 0.24
[09:20] <kadigibox> kk thanks Burgundavia
[09:20] <thoreauputic> Seveas: me has not much money :)
[09:20] <equex> barosl, ^thehatsrule^ it says Identifier "ATI Graphics Adapter", and Driver"fglrx" and i did the install using ATI's binaries
[09:20] <Seveas> thoreauputic, me neither, but it cost me nothing ;)
[09:21] <thoreauputic> Seveas: nice
[09:21] <^thehatsrule^> equex: thats good then, its prolly just your config im assuming
[09:21] <craigevil> kadigibox give Xfce a try it uses less ram than either KDE or Gnome
[09:21] <kadigibox> I actualy like WindowMaker
[09:21] <kadigibox> but I been meaning to try Xfce
[09:22] <Hasbro> Have an issue I thought you guys might be able to help out with.
[09:22] <Hasbro> Scenario:
[09:22] <Hasbro> 1. Re-installed Ubuntu to dual boot with Windows XP
[09:22] <Hasbro> 2. Created separate \boot partition for grub, etc.
[09:22] <Hasbro> 3. When I got to the GRUB install portion I chose to not install to MBR and to install to a partition
[09:22] <Hasbro> 4. (Here's where I screwed up) I chose the wrong partition. Thought \boot was partition hda 0,0 when it was 0,2
[09:22] <Hasbro> 5. So now my Windows XP partition is hosed due to grub trying to install there.
[09:22] <Hasbro> 6. I know the XP partition didn't get formatted, only that grub got installed there. I guess Ubuntu can read/write to NTFS and that is why it was able to install there or maybe this is an incorrect assumption.
[09:22] <Hasbro> 7. Regardless, I can see all partitions when I run FIXBOOT from the Windows XP install CD.
[09:22] <Hasbro> 8. Question: How do I recover?
[09:22] <equex> barosl, ^thehatsrule^: strange thing is, i got about 70 FPS before i enabled UseInteranAGPArt, then it rose to 700FPS, but it *still* sucks :/
[09:22] <Seveas> Hasbro, fool
[09:22] <F0ckF3ar22> Can i install ubuntu off a debian floppy net install
[09:22] <Seveas> NEVER paste in here
[09:22] <PurpleMotion> {jay@psilocybin (~)}:$ glxinfo | grep direct
[09:22] <F0ckF3ar22> by apt
[09:22] <PurpleMotion> Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:22] <PurpleMotion> direct rendering: No
[09:22] <equex> UseInternalAGPArt*
[09:22] <DVSoftware> well... xfce is nice, i've used it for some time
[09:22] <PurpleMotion> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[09:22] <PurpleMotion> how do i change that to direct rendering?
[09:22] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, same to you.....
[09:22] <^thehatsrule^> equex: perhaps you just need to config your agpgart thing or sth?
[09:23] <PurpleMotion> same to me what? i just got here
[09:23] <PurpleMotion> oh
[09:23] <PurpleMotion> ok
[09:23] <PurpleMotion> anyways
[09:23] <equex> ^thehatsrule^: how do i do that ? wher do i begin
[09:23] <equex> never thought of that
[09:23] <PurpleMotion> why is it using mesa instead of dri?
[09:23] <craigevil> Anyone know how to import bnookmarks into Opera8.02? Nothing I try seems to work.
[09:23] <^thehatsrule^> equex: im not sure... i never ran into problems, but its what i gathered from reading others
[09:24] <DVSoftware> PurpleMotion, you disabled dri in config?
[09:24] <PurpleMotion> no
[09:24] <craigevil> I have tried importing them from Firefox, Mozilla, Netscape7, Konqueror. I get the msg they were imported but nothing shows up.
[09:24] <thoreauputic> craigevil: does opera use html format for bookmarks?
[09:24] <equex> ^thehatsrule^: well, off to the manual mines again then
[09:24] <equex> :*
[09:25] <equex> thanks for the time
[09:25] <^thehatsrule^> heh, youll find it out
[09:25] <craigevil> yes it give the opetions to import Firefox, Netscape, Konweror. It says imported but nothing shows up
[09:25] <PurpleMotion> I have Load "dri" in "Modules" and Option "no_dri" "no" in "device" and Mode 0666 in "DRI"
[09:25] <PurpleMotion> that's what i'm supposed to have, right??
[09:25] <craigevil> Opera 8.0 worked just fine but the 8.02 does nothing
[09:25] <jmcnaught> yoosuck: you can run IRC over tor?
[09:25] <Kaosfury> When I installed ubuntu, there was no sound card in my system. I now have a sound card and would like help installing it please.
[09:26] <craigevil> I even tried just copying them intyo the profile and overwriting the ones there but nothing
[09:26] <jmcnaught> kaosfury: ubuntu didn't automatically detect it?
[09:26] <Seveas> jmcnaught, can I pm you?
[09:26] <PurpleMotion> (EE) Failed to load module "glcore" (module does not exist, 0)
[09:26] <jmcnaught> Seveas: sure
[09:26] <DVSoftware> PurpleMotion, you should not load dri in config
[09:26] <DVSoftware> ati has it's own dri module
[09:26] <PurpleMotion> well,t hat would be the problem then
[09:27] <PurpleMotion> what else shouldnt i load that ati has its own module for?
[09:27] <Kaosfury> jmcnaught: I was unaware that ubuntu detected on startup, but no it didn't
[09:27] <Seveas> 'navond Fergy
[09:27] <PurpleMotion> I have dbe, extmod, freetype, glx, record, and type1
[09:27] <PurpleMotion> what shouldnt i have?
[09:27] <axylfyre> hey all
[09:27] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, no load extmod I hope
[09:28] <Seveas> but a subsection extmod
[09:28] <PurpleMotion> don't load extmod?
[09:28] <Seveas> omit xfree86-dga
[09:28] <Kaosfury> I also need to mention that I'm pretty new to linux.
[09:28] <PurpleMotion> huh?
[09:28] <F0ckF3ar22> how do i install ubuntu off of a debian install
[09:28] <F0ckF3ar22> with out a cd
[09:28] <PurpleMotion> subsection of what?
[09:28] <tiglionabbit> what plays a "Vivo video data" ?
[09:29] <tiglionabbit> .viv file
[09:29] <axylfyre> i am trying to install ubuntu on a system, and when i finish partitioning the hdd's it tells me that no root file system is in place? what do i do?\\
[09:29] <jmcnaught> kaosfury: it might not have reported anything... try typing 'lsmod' (w/o quotes) in the terminal, look for 'emu10k' (or similar)
[09:29] <PurpleMotion> Seveas: subsection of which section?
[09:29] <F0ckF3ar22> how do iinstall ubuntu off a debain net install
[09:29] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, hang on
[09:29] <PurpleMotion> ko
[09:29] <Seveas> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/953
[09:29] <Seveas> that's mine
[09:30] <Seveas> (xorg.conf - radeon mobility 9600)
[09:30] <PurpleMotion> you have an ati card?
[09:30] <PurpleMotion> right on
[09:30] <tiglionabbit> F0ckF3ar22: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation#head-b7666c5802d06b361a4f0c9928dfd942caac4cd2
[09:30] <Seveas> F0ckF3ar22, you can do an Ubuntu net install too
[09:30] <F0ckF3ar22> no you cant
[09:30] <PurpleMotion> Seveas: i was just told not to load dri, that fglrx has its own
[09:30] <F0ckF3ar22> not with floppys
[09:31] <Seveas> F0ckF3ar22, ah ok, indeed
[09:31] <tiglionabbit> F0ckF3ar22: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/Netboot
[09:31] <Seveas> but you can use a generic netboot floppy
[09:31] <F0ckF3ar22> Seveas i dont understand
[09:31] <Seveas> wiki.ubuntu.com/LocalNetInstall
[09:31] <Kaosfury> jmcnaught: nothing there.
[09:31] <Seveas> ^-- F0ckF3ar22
[09:32] <equex> ^thehatsrule^: one thing, is xorg,conf supposed to say Load "glcore" anywhere ? mine sayd Load "glx" and Load "dri"
[09:32] <F0ckF3ar22> see what i did was i installed debian off floppyb ecause i dont have cd rom
[09:32] <F0ckF3ar22> now im trying to install ubuntu off that
[09:32] <x0r> hello
[09:32] <Seveas> F0ckF3ar22, is the debian a woody?
[09:32] <^thehatsrule^> equex: maybe, just use a premade template
[09:32] <direwolf> seveas, thanks again
[09:32] <jmcnaught> kaosfury: in the output of lsmod, did you see any lines that started with snd_ ?
[09:32] <lunitik> Seveas, no
[09:32] <F0ckF3ar22> i dont know
[09:32] <lunitik> Seveas, its a Sarge, finally
[09:32] <x0r> I've noticed some really bad changes in breezy (xorg doesn't work anymore)
[09:32] <F0ckF3ar22> Seveas i dunno
[09:32] <equex> kthx
[09:32] <Seveas> lunitik, ..?
[09:32] <Burgundavia> Seveas, all the variants of installation have been moved to subpages of Installation
[09:32] <x0r> I'm really in trouble and can't find the problem
[09:33] <lunitik> Seveas, 3.1 was finally released
[09:33] <Seveas> F0ckF3ar22, do you still have debian installed?
[09:33] <Kaosfury> jmcnaught: nope
[09:33] <Seveas> lunitik, that's not the issue here
[09:33] <x0r> I just don't know about this error:
[09:33] <Seveas> and i know that...
[09:33] <F0ckF3ar22> seveas yes...
[09:33] <x0r> Missing output drivers. Configuration failed.
[09:33] <Seveas> Burgundavia, that sucks. When did people forget that Good URLs Don't Change....
[09:33] <x0r> I get this, whil checking my xorg.conf with Xorg -configure
[09:33] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: did you remove the wiki howto for installing XP on qemu? I can't seem to find it...
[09:33] <Seveas> F0ckF3ar22, cat /etc/issue
[09:33] <lunitik> Seveas, "F0ckF3ar22, is the debian a woody?" *shrug*
[09:33] <Seveas> and paste the output in here
[09:34] <Seveas> lunitik, the debina install on his machine.....
[09:34] <axylfyre> what is the deal with "no root file system" found?
[09:34] <DVSoftware> x0r, just read topic "DO NOT USE BREEZY YET - X is still broken "
[09:34] <x0r> btw, i'm using breezy
[09:34] <x0r> ;)
[09:34] <kjuu> A little help needed... I seem to have an installation issue because of my Maxtor SATA drive. Any ideas would be welcome :/
[09:34] <jmcnaught> Kaosfury: do you have any livecds? sometimes when hardware doesn't work, i put a knoppix (or ubuntu live) disc in to see if it works there
[09:34] <thoreauputic> playing fast and loose with the wiki makes life difficult for us when we direct people to it....
[09:35] <PurpleMotion> gonna try this
[09:35] <PurpleMotion> brb
[09:35] <jmcnaught> kaosfury: the sound blaster live is usually plug and play for linux
[09:35] <lunitik> Seveas, no one keeps woody around...
[09:36] <Seveas> lunitik, please read a bit, he just installed from floppy disks...
[09:36] <Kaosfury> I'll try reseating the card and see if I can get it to work. Thanks. I'll be back if I can't get anything to work.
[09:36] <Seveas> so these disks might very well be woody
[09:36] <F0ckF3ar22> Seveas all i know is that i used 3 floppys Boot.img, Root.img, and Netdrivers.img
[09:36] <F0ckF3ar22> and the rest was off the net
[09:36] <Seveas> F0ckF3ar22, type this in a terminal: cat /etc/issue
[09:37] <Seveas> and paste the output of that in here
[09:37] <lunitik> F0ckF3ar22, cat /etc/debian-version
[09:37] <F0ckF3ar22> seveas i dont see a terminal
[09:37] <F0ckF3ar22> i just see the apt
[09:37] <F0ckF3ar22> aptittude
[09:37] <lunitik> F0ckF3ar22, hit 'q'
[09:37] <x0r> any ideas about xorg error
[09:37] <Seveas> x0r, yes
[09:37] <lunitik> F0ckF3ar22, get to a terminal and type what I said...
[09:37] <Seveas> don't use Breezy :)
[09:37] <x0r> I had no problems before with xorg and breezy and always could fix them
[09:38] <F0ckF3ar22> who cares what kind of debian it is
[09:38] <Seveas> F0ckF3ar22, we do
[09:38] <F0ckF3ar22> its a regular gnu/debian base system
[09:38] <Seveas> woody -> hoary is an easy upgrade
[09:38] <Seveas> sarge -> hoary is a pain in the ass
[09:38] <F0ckF3ar22> you know i think it is sarge
[09:38] <F0ckF3ar22> I installed it off the debian site
[09:38] <Burgundavia> Seveas, unfortunately, the wiki search sucks
[09:38] <x0r> what about: Missing output drivers. Configuration failed ?
[09:39] <jmcnaught> is hoary+ubuntu backports -> breezy easy? (i know i'm not supposed to use breezy right now)
[09:39] <Seveas> Burgundavia, then at least they should have left stub pages...
[09:39] <DVSoftware> x0r, i think that topic says enough
[09:39] <lunitik> jmcnaught, no
[09:39] <Burgundavia> Seveas, yes
[09:39] <Seveas> jmcnaught, moderately easy
[09:39] <axylfyre> can anyone seen this"\
[09:39] <x0r> lol
[09:39] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: please, don't break useful links - at least redirect them or something
[09:39] <Seveas> but not right now :)
[09:39] <mattyJ> is there a way to upgrade to gnome 2.11?
[09:39] <lunitik> jmcnaught, backports are non-critical packages that have been upgraded since release
[09:39] <kjuu> A little help needed... I seem to have an installation issue because of my Maxtor SATA drive. Any ideas would be welcome :/
[09:39] <Burgundavia> mattyJ, breezy has it
[09:39] <Seveas> mattyJ, you shouldn't ...
[09:39] <izmaelis> hwen will be breezy released?
[09:40] <Seveas> izmaelis, october
[09:40] <wastrel> hi folks
[09:40] <apokryphos> !breezyschedule
[09:40] <ubotu> breezyschedule is, like, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseSchedule
[09:40] <raven3x7> 5.10
[09:40] <wastrel> i just deleted a backup file with rm. is there a way to recover it?
[09:40] <x0r> @DvSoftware: you've never touched a linux system, so just shut up when you don't know a good answer
[09:40] <wastrel> stupid newbie mistake :p
[09:40] <Seveas> izmaelis: A new Ubuntu version is released every six months (in april and october). Each release is supported for at least 18 months with security updates.
[09:40] <raven3x7> aka 10/2005
[09:40] <Seveas> wastrel, no
[09:40] <thoreauputic> wastrel: you're out of luck I'm afraid
[09:40] <jmcnaught> lunitik: if I wanted to remove all ubp packages, could I just removed the repositories and then goto the local/obsolete section in synaptic?
[09:40] <wastrel> the filesystem overwrites?
[09:40] <lunitik> jmcnaught, basically, breezy packages, compiled in an hoary environment...
[09:41] <wastrel> i thought it just removed the link
[09:41] <wastrel> the data should stil lbe on the disk?
[09:41] <Seveas> axylfyre, maybe not, did you have a question?
[09:41] <lunitik> jmcnaught, breezy is being compiled for GCC4.0... many other major changes
[09:41] <F0ckF3ar22> its sarge
[09:41] <ayeye> anyone can help me with SETTING UP a USB ADSL MODEM CONNECTION ON UBUNTU?!?!?!
[09:41] <F0ckF3ar22> ITS SARGE!
[09:41] <Seveas> wastrel, sure, but restoring the link is not possible
[09:41] <wastrel> i'mm happy to trash the disk
[09:41] <Seveas> ayeye, cut it down on the caps....
[09:41] <wastrel> it's a spare disk
[09:41] <wastrel> i can unmount it right now
[09:41] <ayeye> sorry...
[09:41] <jmcnaught> lunitik: thanks
[09:41] <wastrel> but i want the data back :]
[09:41] <lunitik> jmcnaught, I don't use Synaptic much... but theoretically.... but why would you want to do that?
[09:41] <Seveas> F0ckF3ar22, hmmm, upgrading that to hoary will be difficult
[09:41] <F0ckF3ar22> how do we do it?
[09:42] <lunitik> jmcnaught, nothing wrong with them... they are just more updated softwares
[09:42] <F0ckF3ar22> send me a wiki
[09:42] <Seveas> you need to apt::pin hoary to 1001 and install ubuntu-desktop and do a dist-upgrade
[09:42] <axylfyre> ayeye dont worry i am being ignored too
[09:42] <ayeye> :-)
[09:42] <kjuu> You know what this channel needs? A bot that you could msg with your questions and then later someone might contact you about it :/
[09:42] <Seveas> axylfyre, what was your question?
[09:42] <jmcnaught> lunitik: i couldn't upgrade from warty > hoary because of conflicts from the ubp packages... i was thinking of trying breezy today and i was trying to guage how easy it would be
[09:43] <Stormx> Hey?
[09:43] <Seveas> jmcnaught, they changed that situation for the better
[09:43] <lunitik> kjuu, or you could just be patient... we are just users like you... with a little more knowledge in most cases
[09:43] <Seveas> backports use good version numbers now
[09:43] <thoreauputic> kjuu: I think you need the ubuntu-users mailing list :)
[09:43] <Stormx> Hey everyone
[09:43] <Stormx> I need a little help with ubuntu
[09:43] <snid> Hi all
[09:43] <jmcnaught> Seveas: thanks, good to know
[09:43] <axylfyre> i get to the end of the paritioning stage, and i set up an ext and a swap partition for linux, but it tells me that no root file system is in place
[09:43] <ayeye> i am trying to quit with windoZe ;)...i installed the ubuntu cd...everything's fine, but HOW can i connect my modem and thus to the internet..
[09:43] <apokryphos> Stormx: fire away
[09:43] <ayeye> i have the drivers
[09:44] <kjuu> thoreauputic: what's the point of having a help-chan in IRC if you can't get help there :P
[09:44] <Stormx> axylfyre: you need to set the Mount Point to /
[09:44] <lunitik> Seveas, doesn't help him with old warty backports ;)
[09:44] <Seveas> axylfyre, you need to specify that the ext partition should be monted as /
[09:44] <ayeye> i just don't know how to configure the "dial up" shit...
[09:44] <jmcnaught> ayeye: what kind of a modem is it?
[09:44] <Gourami> can someone tell me what the edit command for redhat is ? ive tried nano and gedit which arent working ?
[09:44] <snid> I need some help with minimum requirements for Ubuntu ? What are they ? I am trying to get an amd 1200xp with 256meg of ram to run but it fails
[09:44] <axylfyre> ok..let me try
[09:44] <ayeye> alcatel speed touch USB
[09:44] <thoreauputic> Kjes: lots of people get help here - what's your issue?
[09:44] <Stormx> Gourami: Its a ubuntu channel, and Gedit should work.
[09:44] <F0ckF3ar22> hey can you guys help me with an iq test
[09:44] <F0ckF3ar22> Mary is two times as old as Nancy. Nancy is 1/3 Lucy's age. Who is the oldest?
[09:44] <F0ckF3ar22> Mary
[09:44] <F0ckF3ar22> Lucy
[09:44] <F0ckF3ar22> Nancy
[09:44] <Seveas> snid, that's more than enough, just make sure you have at least 768 MB swap
[09:44] <kjuu> too much static here, getting an answer might be a tad difficult for beginners
[09:44] <lunitik> kjuu, you can... getting ignored means no one that was paying attention knew the answer/wanted to help...
[09:45] <{cYanide}> hey er i tried the resolution fix
[09:45] <lunitik> kjuu, Ubuntu provides support contracts if you'd like to purchase one... you are garenteed support then
[09:45] <{cYanide}> first one, but it failed on the 2nd terminal command
[09:45] <axylfyre> ty so much! i had it pointed to dos..stupid me..hehe
[09:45] <Stormx> Yo, anyone had problems with XMMS on ubuntu?
[09:45] <f_newton> Gourami, if you continue to have trouble go to either #redhat or #fedora for more rh based support
[09:45] <Seveas> Stormx: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound
[09:45] <jmcnaught> ayeye: it's a dsl modem? i don't know if linux supports usb dsl modems. but you should try 'pppoeconf' from the terminal if your isp uses pppoe
[09:45] <snid> thanks seveas but it fails with a "not enough memory" issure
[09:45] <apokryphos> Stormx: don't use it, it's bad. Use beep or amaroK
[09:45] <snid> issue
[09:45] <Stormx> Seveas: How do I do that?
[09:45] <apokryphos> Stormx: or Juk
[09:45] <Seveas> snid, what exactly failed?
[09:46] <madsen> Stormx: Preferences -> Output plugins.
[09:46] <Stormx> I need MPEG Layer 3 support, do they have that?
[09:46] <snid> fails on boot right near the beginning
[09:46] <Seveas> Stormx, open the preferences (ctrl+p) go to plugins _> output plugin and change it to esound
[09:46] <Seveas> snid, make sure the installer creates a swap partition
[09:46] <lunitik> Stormx, apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:46] <Seveas> snid, of at least 768 MB
[09:46] <ayeye> see...i'm used to windoZe :) i'm a newbie on ubuntu...thanks anyway. I'll try to figure out...
[09:46] <lunitik> !mp3 is sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:46] <ubotu> ...but mp3 is already something else...
[09:46] <direwolf> oops
[09:46] <snid> I could retry and give exact message - ok thanks let me try
[09:46] <lunitik> !mp3
[09:46] <ubotu> it has been said that mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[09:46] <lunitik> grrrr
[09:46] <Seveas> ayeye, there are USB ADSL things on the wiki
[09:47] <direwolf> my swap is only 500 :-O
[09:47] <jmcnaught> ayeye: that's cool... try the pppoeconf tool and see if that works
[09:47] <Seveas> direwolf, how much mem do you have?
[09:47] <lunitik> !mp3 is also or just sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:47] <ubotu> lunitik: okay
[09:47] <direwolf> hahaha don't ask
[09:47] <lunitik> !mp3
[09:47] <thoreauputic> direwolf: 500MB ? plenty
[09:47] <ubotu> somebody said mp3 was read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support, or or just sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:47] <ayeye> jmcnaught...thanks! ;)
[09:47] <Seveas> lunitik, ....
[09:47] <direwolf> sveas, 64MB
[09:47] <Stormx> Thanks everyone for the help (Seveas, apokryphos, madsen, lunitik)
[09:47] <Seveas> !forget mp3
[09:47] <ubotu> i forgot mp3, Seveas
[09:47] <{cYanide}> er can anyone help? im stuck trying to fix the resolution at the sudo sh -c line, says file / folder dont exist
[09:47] <{cYanide}> but its does
[09:47] <Seveas> ubotu mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[09:47] <ubotu> okay, Seveas
[09:47] <madsen> "Could not open file "/mnt/ipod/iPod_Control/iTunes/iTunesDB" for writing." <- Anyone? I'm root and I've got mode 777 on the thing!?!
[09:48] <lunitik> grrrr
[09:48] <Stormx> Seveas: I do get the same problem with OGG Vorbis though
[09:48] <direwolf> highest swap has gotten thus far is 20%
[09:48] <Stormx> and I know there will be no wma support ;-)
[09:48] <direwolf> *10%
[09:48] <Seveas> Stormx, it's not an mp3 problem but an xmms problem :)
[09:48] <Stormx> Yep
[09:48] <Stormx> Thought so
[09:48] <Stormx> OK
[09:48] <raven3x7> how does one view source packages with synaptic?
[09:48] <madsen> Stormx: I can play wmas with my gstreamer...
[09:48] <Stormx> So I'm not sure what Im doing here....
[09:48] <Stormx> madsen: sweet
[09:49] <madsen> Stormx: Can't remember how though, sorry.
[09:49] <Seveas> with w32codecs you can play all kinds of things :)
[09:49] <lunitik> madsen, ffmpeg?
[09:49] <jmcnaught> ayeye: do you have ethernet on your computer?
[09:49] <madsen> lunitik: Uh? I dunno.
[09:49] <lunitik> Seveas, not via Gstreamer
[09:50] <madsen> iPod, permissions problem, a little to the "up". :-p Anyone?
[09:50] <raven3x7> anyone
[09:50] <PurpleMotion> im gonna take a diffe3rent approach to this
[09:50] <PurpleMotion> what command does ubuntu use to auto-generate xorg.conf ?
[09:50] <direwolf> bueller
[09:50] <Seveas> dpkg-reconfigure xorg.conf
[09:50] <lunitik> !configx
[09:50] <ubotu> [configx] sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:50] <lunitik> that one
[09:51] <Stormx> madsen: OK, it looks as if its all installed already, how do I launch it?
[09:51] <madsen> Stormx: Launch what?
[09:51] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: however, it pays to read the comments at the top of the xorg.conf file with care
[09:51] <Stormx> GStreamer - its an app, im guesting
[09:51] <Stormx> *guessing
[09:51] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: if you've edited it before
[09:51] <madsen> Stormx: It's a "sink". :)
[09:51] <lunitik> Seveas, wtf? dpkg-reconfigure xorg.conf? lol
[09:51] <PurpleMotion> i renamed it
[09:52] <sorush21> guys whats a good calendar program
[09:52] <Stormx> o.O
[09:52] <madsen> Stormx: If you've got totem-gstreamer installed, then launch totem...
[09:52] <Seveas> lunitik, erm braino :)
[09:52] <Seveas> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:52] <direwolf> hey, does ubotu give us the weather?
[09:52] <lunitik> !info gstreamer0.8
[09:52] <Seveas> direwolf, www.weather.com
[09:52] <lunitik> !info libgstreamer0.8
[09:52] <direwolf> hehe just wonderin
[09:52] <Seveas> lunitik, please don't play with the bot
[09:52] <lunitik> !botslap
[09:52] <ubotu> lunitik: Wish i knew
[09:52] <thoreauputic> direwolf: I think $DEITY is responsible for the weather ;-)
[09:52] <apokryphos> !find gstreamer
[09:52] <direwolf> hahaha
[09:52] <MikeW> Okay, I'm installing warty. I can either set it up manually or have the installer using up all the hdd space.
[09:53] <Seveas> MikeW, why are you installing warty instead of Hoary?
[09:53] <lunitik> Seveas, blah... I'm trying to find something... relivant to the channel... you take your op status too seriously
[09:53] <MikeW> Seveas: because I only have a warty cd
[09:53] <Seveas> MikeW, good reason :
[09:53] <Stormx> MikeW: Use hoary
[09:53] <Stormx> JUst download it xD
[09:53] <MikeW> indeed
[09:53] <Seveas> Stormx, not everybody has that possibility
[09:53] <direwolf> have seen some bots have dictionary lookups, weather, etc thats why i was askin
[09:53] <jmcnaught> MikeW: you can upgrade to hoary right after you install
[09:53] <Stormx> yeh yeh yadda yadda yadda
[09:53] <apokryphos> direwolf: ubotu can define
[09:54] <Seveas> lunitik, then do so in a private message instead of bringing noise in the channel
[09:54] <direwolf> sweet ... !dict ?
[09:54] <apokryphos> yes
[09:54] <Seveas> direwolf, weather would be very off-topic in here
[09:54] <direwolf> coo thanks
[09:54] <jmcnaught> MikeW: have you manually set up partitions before?
[09:54] <raven3x7> anyone? source packages with synaptic?
[09:54] <direwolf> cool*
[09:54] <MikeW> jmcnaught: yes, I came here to ask what type of partitions should I choose
[09:54] <lunitik> Seveas, bah... I was trying to help someone... give a correct definition of gstreamer
[09:55] <Seveas> gstreamer0.8-*
[09:55] <lunitik> Seveas, I wasn't "playing" with the damn bot... so don't get on my case
[09:55] <jmcnaught> MikeW: do you mean what format (ext3/reiser etc) or how you should organize it?
[09:55] <{cYanide}> why wouldnt this work sudo sh -c 'md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum'
[09:55] <thoreauputic> Stormx: you shouldn't minimise the difficulty people have in many places with downloading large files (if that is what you meant by "yeh yeh yada yada")
[09:55] <Seveas> lunitik, calm down...
[09:55] <MikeW> I've setup a new partition. It wants to be ext3 and because I don't know any different, I'l stick with that
[09:56] <Stormx> thoreauputic: Lighten up, I was just pointing it out as a possibility
[09:56] <MikeW> mount point /home, options: defaults, bootable flag: off (Now, should I set that partition to be bootable? I'd guess yes, but I don't know much about linux)
[09:56] <lunitik> !info libgstreamer0.8-0
[09:56] <ubotu> libgstreamer0.8-0: (Core GStreamer libraries, plugins, and utilities), section libs, is optional. Version: 0.8.9-1ubuntu4 (hoary), Packaged size: 659 kB, Installed size: 2372 kB
[09:56] <jmcnaught> MikeW: ext3 is a good choice. reiserfs and ext3 both don't need to do really long checks if you don't shutdown properly
[09:56] <thoreauputic> Stormx: OK - that's why I said "if.... " :)
[09:56] <Stormx> ;-)
[09:56] <Stormx> Alright
[09:56] <lunitik> Stormx, ^^
[09:56] <Stormx> I have Gstreamer installed
[09:57] <jmcnaught> MikeW: no, don't set /home to bootable
[09:57] <lunitik> Although not terribly enlightening
[09:57] <Stormx> But still no MPEG Support ^_^
[09:57] <jmcnaught> MikeW: you should only have one bootable partition per operating system (so 2 for a dual boot for example)
[09:57] <Stormx> What, I have 1 OGG Vorbis album, a couple of WMA albums, and about 500 MP3 albums
[09:57] <Stormx> >_>
[09:57] <direwolf> i use mplayer, totem
[09:57] <direwolf> got rid of xine
[09:57] <direwolf> choppy playback on this poc
[09:57] <Stormx> Lets have a looky for MPEG support...
[09:58] <lunitik> Stormx, supposedly... gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg + ffmpeg will allow it... but most just use totem-xine and w32codecs to view MPEG's
[09:58] <MikeW> jmcnaught: Okay, the swap partition. 512mb okay?
[09:58] <thoreauputic> Stormx: the mp3s should play in totem or rhythmbox with gstreamer0.8-mad installed, or xmms/ beep
[09:58] <d_i> Weee!.. Just got ubuntu installed... nice system
[09:58] <Stormx> what does xmms/ beep mean?
[09:59] <direwolf> got rid of rhythmbox too
[09:59] <Stormx> Sorry if I'm sounding stupid.
[09:59] <direwolf> use xmms
[09:59] <Seveas> Stormx, xmms and beep-media-player are other mediaplayers
[09:59] <Stormx> Im trying
[09:59] <MikeW> jmcnaught: Primary or logical. I'd imagine logical would be the place to put it?
[09:59] <jmcnaught> MikeW: 512 is okay. i used to recommend double your ram, but if you already have 512 ram 512 swap is good
[09:59] <Stormx> Seveas: I like XMMS, I had that running on Fedora Core and it just worked
[09:59] <thoreauputic> Stormx: if you install either xmms or beep-media-player and enable the esound output, mp3 should play
[09:59] <lunitik> Stormx, you mean XMMS beeped? or Beep the XMMS port to GTK+2.0?
[09:59] <jasoncohen> Seveas, isn't mp3 support as simple as "sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad"
[09:59] <Seveas> Stormx, then use it on ubuntu too :)
[10:00] <MikeW> jmcnaught: I got 128mb ram in the machine
[10:00] <Stormx> Seveas: Im trying
[10:00] <Stormx> OK
[10:00] <Seveas> jasoncohen, if you use totem with gstreamer backend: yes :)
[10:00] <jmcnaught> MikeW: if you're going to have less than 5 total partitions, they can all be primary. if you need 5 or more partitions on the disc, some need to be logical
[10:00] <Stormx> Enable esound output
[10:00] <Stormx> in preferences...
[10:00] <jasoncohen> Seveas, or rhythmbox
[10:00] <Seveas> MikeW, then take 768 mb swap
[10:00] <lunitik> jasoncohen, yes... although he would rather you go to the wiki to see that...
[10:00] <Seveas> or maybe even a GB
[10:00] <jasoncohen> Seveas, what does beep-media-player use?
[10:00] <Seveas> jasoncohen, same as xmms
[10:00] <lunitik> jasoncohen, Beep is XMMS for GTK+2.x
[10:00] <jmcnaught> MikeW: yeah, 768 is good
[10:00] <MikeW> jmcnaught: yeah, I was wondering, because I about putting it to primary, because if I set it to logical, wouldn't ALL partitions after that fall into logical too
[10:00] <thoreauputic> Stormx: options-prefs in xmms
[10:00] <jasoncohen> then it should work fine because xmms plays mp3s here w/o issue
[10:01] <Stormx> OK
[10:01] <lunitik> jasoncohen, has different file browsers etc
[10:01] <lunitik> jasoncohen, you have libmad0 installed though
[10:01] <anton1> I need help with a eth0 that isn't found by ifconfig but by lspci
[10:01] <lunitik> jasoncohen, dpkg -l libmad0 if ya don't believe me ;)
[10:01] <jasoncohen> lunitik, yes
[10:01] <MikeW> jmcnaught: and since I'll be installing vista afterwards it mightn't like being logical. Putting it as primary would work just as well?
[10:01] <lunitik> jasoncohen, thats what he's missing
[10:01] <snid> hey seveas - it seems Ubuntu loads to the point where it wants to mount the cd rom drive - even though it boots from the cd rom drive it can not find it to install Ubuntu ? any ideas
[10:01] <Stormx> WOH!
[10:01] <direwolf> ah, need a driver ?
[10:02] <jmcnaught> MikeW: hmmm... i usually make my / and swap as primary, and /home and sometimes /var as logical
[10:02] <Stormx> thoreauputic: I love you <3
[10:02] <jmcnaught> MikeW: what is vista?
[10:02] <thoreauputic> Stormx: heheh
[10:02] <jasoncohen> lunitik, libmad0 is a dependency of amarok i believe
[10:02] <Seveas> snid, maybe a missing driver, what kind of cdrom drive is it?
[10:02] <MikeW> jmcnaught: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/
[10:02] <lunitik> jmcnaught, new Windows version
[10:02] <jasoncohen> lunitik, actually, it's a dependency of mplayer
[10:02] <direwolf> vista will be the "new" version of windows (read as xp sp3)
[10:03] <jasoncohen> lunitik, apt-cache rdepends libmad0
[10:03] <Stormx> Time to listen to some Mad Capsule Markets in celebration of how helpfull you guys are ^_^
[10:03] <snid> I have tried several I have around - mitsumi and this one is an hp burner
[10:03] <jmcnaught> MikeW: oh... i've never installed windows before (exept once in an emulator).. so I don't really know how to setup a dualboot system
[10:03] <lunitik> jmcnaught, its crap, but you'll need new hardware to get any new features
[10:03] <Seveas> direwolf, there actually will be an SP3 for XP
[10:03] <anton1> I need help with a eth0 that isn't found by ifconfig but by lspci, I would be really happy to get some help
[10:03] <azik> direwolf, i heard that the sp3 for xp is in development
[10:03] <Stormx> Yeh it is
[10:03] <lunitik> jasoncohen, irrelivant... its on your system... and thats why XMMS can play MP3's
[10:03] <MikeW> Hmm, so my swap will be 768. Why does it need to be that large though?
[10:03] <Stormx> I downloaded one of the vista builds, but I don't have a DVD drive
[10:03] <direwolf> will it be a true sp or a rollup?
[10:03] <jasoncohen> lunitik, but as i said- IF you installed gstreamer0.8-mad you would have libmad0
[10:04] <snid> anyone having a problem where Ubuntu boots but can not find the cd rom drive to do the installation ?
[10:04] <jmcnaught> MikeW: it might not need to be that large. it depends on how many things your computer will be running at once
[10:04] <jasoncohen> lunitik, gstreamer0.8-mad depends on libmad0
[10:04] <lunitik> jasoncohen, I know....
[10:04] <jasoncohen> lunitik, so the solution for all players is "sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad"- not just gstreamer based players
[10:04] <Seveas> jasoncohen, no
[10:04] <direwolf> vista is a waste ...they took anything halfway interesting out of it ...and theyre going to back port the more usful parts of vista
[10:04] <Bubbling_Zombie> anton1 , what kind of network card are we talking about
[10:04] <MikeW> jmcnaught: gnome. I installed warty before and my machine was under considerable strain from the desktop. Mabye such a large swap will really help things along :)
[10:04] <Seveas> only for gstreamer based ones
[10:04] <direwolf> vista = waste
[10:05] <Seveas> that's why adding it to ubotu is wrong :)
[10:05] <lunitik> jasoncohen, tell Seveas that
[10:05] <Stormx> direwolf: agreed
[10:05] <jmcnaught> MikeW: I have X-Chat (irc), a terminal, firefox with 8 tabs and system monitor running. it reports that I'm using 175MB of ram right now
[10:05] <MikeW> direwolf: perhaps you should keep your focus on ubuntu in this channel? :)
[10:05] <pweyers_> hi, is there a channel for Open Office related questions in ubuntu?
[10:05] <Stormx> I heard they are gonna ship new PCs with a chip
[10:05] <anton1> a 3com network card
[10:05] <apokryphos> pweyers_: right here
[10:05] <Seveas> lunitik, watch it...
[10:05] <Stormx> So that only approved applications run
[10:05] <direwolf> ubuntu on the other hand ...moving at a fast pace
[10:05] <Bubbling_Zombie> let me check anton1 , give me a minute
[10:05] <direwolf> and we will have ...
[10:05] <Stormx> <3 Ubuntu
[10:05] <Stormx> It looks so pretty
[10:05] <jasoncohen> Seveas, not true- gstreamer0.8 installs libmad0 which is used by the xine engine as well. that's why totem-xine can play mp3s as well as xmms/bmp etc. once gstreamer0.8-mad is installed
[10:05] <direwolf> i was getting back to that mikew ;)
[10:05] <thoreauputic> VISTA Viruses Insecurities Spyware Trojans Adware
[10:05] <Stormx> rofl
[10:05] <Seveas> jasoncohen, xmms has mp3 stuff built in
[10:05] <jmcnaught> MikeW: 128 mb of ram is not a lot for Gnome. but in linux you can choose to run a more lightweight desktop environment to have more ram for your apps
[10:06] <jasoncohen> Seveas, apt-cache show gstramer0.8-mad - you'll see libmad0 is a dependency
[10:06] <lunitik> jasoncohen, technically though, yes... although with KDE, you need akode-mad.... but then, thats not even listed on that page... so I guess thats not important
[10:06] <Stormx> I remember when I installed XMMS with FC3
[10:06] <Stormx> "We have removed MPEG Layer 3 support"
[10:06] <MikeW> jmcnaught: Hmm, for this swap partition. What filesystem should I use. What mount point?
[10:06] <Stormx> !#*&^!
[10:06] <ubotu> Stormx: I haven't a clue
[10:06] <Seveas> thoreauputic, the first vista viruses are already available :)
[10:06] <lunitik> MikeW, umm... swap
[10:06] <direwolf> and we will have probably 2 more releases at that point
[10:06] <thoreauputic> Seveas: hahah
[10:06] <jasoncohen> MikeW, swap
[10:06] <direwolf> hahaha
[10:06] <jmcnaught> MikeW: just make it a swap partition, it doesn't need a mount point or filesystem
[10:06] <MikeW> Hmm, I don't see swap in the partition list types list :/
[10:07] <Amaranth> phew, finally got that autopackage thread on the forums locked
[10:07] <apokryphos> lunitik: it was akode-mpeg I believe
[10:07] <Stormx> surely it needs to be mounted on /swap ?
[10:07] <MikeW> oh, I see it now
[10:07] <MartenH> thoreauputic, Hey. I just wanted to let you know I managed to get the cam working... only in one program out of three, but better than nothing =)
[10:07] <snid> hmm - again - any ideas as to why Ubuntu can load to install screen from a cd but then can not "mount" the cd to continue installation
[10:07] <Seveas> Stormx, no
[10:07] <jasoncohen> MikeW, fstab should look like "/dev/hdXX none swap sw 0 0"
[10:07] <jasoncohen> for swap
[10:07] <direwolf> primary ...then go go to filesystem type or whatever
[10:07] <direwolf> choose swap
[10:07] <lunitik> apokryphos, something like that... either way, wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats doesn't state anything about it
[10:07] <Seveas> a swap partition has no mountpoint
[10:07] <Stormx> OK I was mistaken
[10:07] <thoreauputic> MartenH: ah - well done !
[10:07] <MikeW> yes, I see it now. Thanks
[10:07] <jasoncohen> direwolf, wait, is he in the installer?
[10:07] <apokryphos> lunitik: yup
[10:07] <Stormx> ;-) Im useless at helping xD
[10:07] <direwolf> i thought
[10:07] <Seveas> lunitik, then add it, it's a wiki...
[10:08] <MartenH> thoreauputic, xawtv looks good, gqcam gives me a messed up pic and gnomemeeting fails to access the device. BUt I write it down as a victory :)
[10:08] <kaffeend> I'd really like to try xine, can someone please tell me where to go? :P
[10:08] <Piero> hi everyone
[10:08] <jasoncohen> lunitik, there is no akode-mad package
[10:08] <jmcnaught> MikeW: how much swap did you use last time you installed warty?
[10:08] <pweyers_> apokryphos, i cant find the BASE application in my open office suite on ubuntu 5.04
[10:08] <pweyers_> how would i go about adding it?
[10:08] <lunitik> apokryphos, so technically... for everything the wiki currently covers... gstreamer0.8-mad would surfice for MP3 support... but apparently we can't add that to the bots mp3 listing
[10:08] <Bubbling_Zombie> anton, what kind of 3com card?
[10:08] <Seveas> pweyers_, there is no base in that version yet
[10:08] <MikeW> jmcnaught: either 256 or 512
[10:08] <jasoncohen> lunitik, it's akode-mpeg
[10:09] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: just enable the repositories and install xine-ui or totem-xine
[10:09] <jasoncohen> btw- does totem-gstreamer support musepack?
[10:09] <apokryphos> lunitik: no reason was given?
[10:09] <jmcnaught> MikeW: did you ever get errors about being out of memory or have strange crashes?
[10:09] <lunitik> jasoncohen, apokryphos is way ahead of you... but thanks for your input
[10:09] <jasoncohen> and what about the xine engine
[10:09] <Piero> I need to recompiling the vanilla kernel. I've a Celeron Mobile notebook, In "Processor type and features" section which I must select?
[10:09] <lunitik> apokryphos, about what?
[10:09] <zAo^> can I upgrade the nvidia-glx pkg without losing DRI? Breezy
[10:09] <apokryphos> lunitik: adding that to the factoid
[10:09] <Seveas> Piero: You can find compilation instructions on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto
[10:09] <lunitik> apokryphos, nope
[10:09] <jasoncohen> lunitik, heh, iddn't see that
[10:09] <anton1> my card is a thunder thing I guess, but I am using it now, from the livecd
[10:09] <lunitik> apokryphos, s/he stated my name... then changed it back
[10:09] <kaffeend> thoreauputic - geez I really do wish it were that simple... But I'd need to install off of the cd right?
[10:10] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: no
[10:10] <MikeW> jmcnaught: Nope. I just deleted the partitions after I couldn't get sound working, after I found the machine slow to boot and it was unresponsive, and after I found apps running slower on it than the equivilent on windows
[10:10] <apokryphos> Seveas: what was the reason for forgetting the previous factoid for mp3?
[10:10] <kaffeend> o_O
[10:10] <Stormx> 0_o
[10:10] <Bubbling_Zombie> zAo^ : can nvidia handle dri?
[10:10] <Seveas> lunitik, adding that crud to the factoid is wrong since it only works for grstreamer or libmad apps
[10:10] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: you just enable the extra repos and use synaptic to install from them
[10:10] <MikeW> jmcnaught: i.e. firefox would launch pretty quickly on windows but would take two or three times to load on ubuntu
[10:10] <kadigibox> Oh another question. What percentage of SID packages are used in Ubuntu. Or are all of them used and just patched on?
[10:10] <Seveas> and not nearly all apps use that
[10:10] <Seveas> as I said before
[10:10] <zAo^> Bubbling_Zombie, lol, tey're the best :D
[10:10] <kaffeend> okily dokily
[10:10] <Bubbling_Zombie> anton1 : i find some references to "modprobe 3c59x"... maybe you can try that :-/
[10:10] <zAo^> in Linux-land ^^
[10:10] <Bubbling_Zombie> zAo^ sure
[10:11] <Bubbling_Zombie> but can they use DRI :p
[10:11] <MikeW> jmcnaught: plus I found it strange that the console would take... ages to load when cmd.exe was instant :/
[10:11] <Stormx> MikeW: Firefox loads much quicker on ubuntu for me
[10:11] <thoreauputic> !tell kaffeend about multimedia
[10:11] <zAo^> jep
[10:11] <jmcnaught> MikeW: 128 ram is pushing it for gnome (the default desktop environment for ubuntu). you can run a slimmed down one called xfce that doesn't have as many features, but is very fast.
[10:11] <zAo^> any Breezy ppl here with Nvidia VGA??
[10:11] <Pega> Hmm. Does anyone know why all the sounds are so quiet in ubuntu? I mean... in windos half of my speakers power is more than I have ever needed to use in any situaton (even when listening to music when i was in diffrent room) but now full power barely lets me hear the speaking in totem movie player.
[10:11] <lunitik> Seveas, libmad is the defacto mp3 library on linux... gstreamer0.8-mad installs libmad0, and the wiki states nothing about akode-mpeg, so it would surfice for all instances the wiki talks about
[10:11] <Pega> Even tho it show that the voice is full
[10:11] <Seveas> lunitik, plain nonsense.
[10:11] <direwolf> xfce
[10:11] <anton1> Ok, I have just switched to linux, so I am new to this, can you give a link to a guide of some sort
[10:11] <Fanskapet> hmm don't get it why people is using breezy
[10:11] <Seveas> please read
[10:11] <Stormx> Pega, have you checked the volume controls and such?
[10:12] <MartenH> I just love updating with Ubuntu. New updates often and almost always on the fly so I can keep the system running!
[10:12] <Fanskapet> kind looses the whole thing about ubuntu... stable and secureness
[10:12] <Pega> I can't find them. xD
[10:12] <direwolf> still pushin it with my 64mb poc hahaha
[10:12] <kaffeend> k thanks thoreauputic
[10:12] <Fanskapet> install gentoo if you always want the cutting edge..
[10:12] <Stormx> Applications > Sound and video > Volume Control
[10:12] <lunitik> Seveas, name an instance where libmad0 or gstreamer0.8-mad doesn't allow a player to play mp3's... other than KDE apps, which aren't listed anyways on the wiki
[10:12] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: you're welcome :)
[10:12] <Pega> Stormx, went to system -> preferences, audio, but didnt find the volume
[10:12] <Seveas> lunitik, you just said it :)
[10:12] <Seveas> KDE apps
[10:12] <jasoncohen> has anyone tried playing a musepack audio file in totem or rhythmbox
[10:12] <lunitik> Seveas, go add it... and I will shut up
[10:12] <Bubbling_Zombie> anton1 : that's the point. i only find sporadic references to it.
[10:13] <Seveas> lunitik, don't boss me
[10:13] <salil> can anyone tell me.. how do i convert mobie files to mobile movie files.. ??? is there any software for that in linux..??
[10:13] <Stormx> Pega: Applications > Audio and Video > Volume Control
[10:13] <Seveas> i've warned you before, calm down...
[10:13] <lunitik> Seveas, you do it to everyone else
[10:13] <MikeW> jmcnaught: I know I can. I'm willing to give gnome another go though because its 'easy to use' and my choices for a fast desktop are XFCE and Windows XPs own shell. I'll gnome again
[10:13] <Pega> oh, thanks
[10:13] <Seveas> lunitik, when?
[10:13] <apokryphos> Seveas: actually, amaroK (the mp3 player for Kubuntu) comes with mp3 support, so the akode-mpeg isn't actually needed
[10:13] <Bubbling_Zombie> you could try asking a bit longer or make a thread about it on the forum. sadly , i don't have experience with that card.
[10:13] <MikeW> jmcnaught: Hmm, "No root file system. No root file system is defined" :/
[10:13] <lunitik> Seveas, read the last hour of logs... its happened at least 7 times during that period
[10:13] <Stormx> Pega: Try all the volume controls, the "PCM" control did it for me. Its only on half by default
[10:13] <Seveas> lunitik, sure, point me to one then...
[10:14] <salil> can anyone tell me.. how do i convert mobie files to mobile movie files.. ??? is there any software for that in linux..??
[10:14] <MikeW> jmcnaught: perhaps I should have set /home to be bootable after all?
[10:14] <lunitik> That alone is bossing me around Seveas
[10:14] <salil> can anyone tell me.. how do i convert movie files to mobile movie files.. ??? is there any software for that in linux..??
[10:14] <Seveas> lunitik, that's it, stop being annoying
[10:14] <anton1> I have a thread so I am hoping someone can give a hand, but thanks anyway, I will try reading up on some modprobing then
[10:14] <thoreauputic> MikeW: /home is never bootable by definition
[10:14] <Stormx> rofl
[10:14] <apokryphos> Seveas: I think you're seriously overreacting here.
[10:14] <jmcnaught> MikeW: the root or / filesystem is the most important one. all the other partitions attach into it somewhere. you need a root partition that is bootable, and then you can optionally have a /home partition, or a /var partition, /usr etc
[10:14] <Stormx> you show him Seveas
[10:14] <Spudchat> what mode is q ?
[10:14] <MikeW> Okay, I'll do the automatically partitioning thing then
[10:14] <Bubbling_Zombie> salil - don't repeat your question to fast
[10:14] <Bubbling_Zombie> :)-
[10:14] <Spudchat> ive never seen it before
[10:14] <apokryphos> Seveas: the last thing we want to do is quiet helpful people such as him
[10:14] <Spudchat> ahh nm
[10:15] <Stormx> MikeW: Explain, whats your situation. 1 HDD?
[10:15] <Seveas> apokryphos, may be. The channel is too busy for recalcitrant discussions
[10:15] <Pega> Stormx, the speakers volume was in like 2 percents or so. Thanks.
[10:15] <salil> Bubbling_Zombie: nobody answered... i thought nobody saw my question..
[10:15] <apokryphos> Seveas: You were just as much a part of it as he was.
[10:15] <Stormx> Pega: NP. xD I helped someone
[10:15] <f_newton> I just installed clamav and in an attempt to update the database it says it cannot function becauase its ver 83 and it needs to be ver 86 clamav is outdated.... whats up with that eh?
[10:15] <salil> Bubbling_Zombie: do you know anything about that..??
[10:15] <thoreauputic> Seveas: I tend to agree with apokryphos : lunitik has helped people here a lot
[10:15] <Bubbling_Zombie> no, was just giving you some pointers :-/
[10:16] <kaffeend> BTW - I managed to finally get my refresh rate back to 85Hz :D
[10:16] <Seveas> thoreauputic, I know
[10:16] <airmikey> anyone running pekwm wm ?
[10:16] <Seveas> but personal attacks are not done
[10:16] <kaffeend> thanks to a small team heh
[10:16] <Stormx> Seveas: It was hardly a personal attack o.O
[10:16] <apokryphos> Seveas: I didn't see him making any ad hominems
[10:17] <thoreauputic> Seveas: perhaps, but if the personal attack had been on someone else they wouldn't have your power to +q ;)
[10:17] <Stormx> Oh, and by the way, any suggestions on getting the screen resolution above 1024x76?
[10:17] <jmcnaught> i've got the i810/830 chipset, and totem (or anything that uses Xv) crashes when I play a video. I found a bug for it in bugzilla, which says it's resolved in xorg 6.8.2-34. hoary only has 6.8.2-10, is there anything i can do?
[10:17] <Seveas> thoreauputic, I would have acted in that case too
[10:17] <Seveas> and you should know that as a regular visitor of this channel :)
[10:17] <kaffeend> thoreauputic I'm not really sure what I'm meant to be doing in synaptic :s Where can I read up on this stuff?
[10:17] <MikeW> Stormx: I got 2 hdds, IDE1 Master is where I'm installing ubuntu. I'll set up other OSes later. No matter though, I got it. Installing the base system now :)
[10:18] <thoreauputic> Seveas: just acting as the guy who stands behind the Emperor on the chariot and whispers "Thou art mortal" ;)
[10:18] <Stormx> MikeW: OK, as long as you have enough space and arn't overwriting anything
[10:18] <apokryphos> Seveas: you're over-exaggerating. He was asking genuine questions, and you were literally on his case, and without just cause at first
[10:18] <kaffeend> oops - nvm
[10:18] <apokryphos> Seveas: i.e. when telling him to not play with the bot.
[10:18] <thoreauputic> !tell kaffeend about synaptic
[10:18] <salil> can anyone tell me.. how do i convert movie files to mobile movie files.. ??? is there any software for that in linux..??
[10:18] <kaffeend> thoreauputic please strike my last question
[10:18] <MartenH> geh, I don't know what to do with my installation.. got everything set up they way I want it I think, what more fun can I have?
[10:18] <Seveas> apokryphos, I was correcting the error he made in the bot...
[10:18] <MikeW> Stormx: Nah, I bought another hdd. I notice that the installer seen it as a 30gb hdd though :/
[10:18] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: you worked it out?
[10:19] <Seveas> and I tell everybody not to play/experiment with the bot
[10:19] <Stormx> MikeW: Bah, might be windows fucking up the table, else you need to ajust the bios o.O
[10:19] <kaffeend> no I just opened my eyes
[10:19] <Stormx> A bot?
[10:19] <Stormx> Sweeeeeeet
[10:19] <apokryphos> Seveas: there's ways of saying things. There's no harm in kindly suggesting that they /msg instead
[10:19] <kaffeend> you already gave me something to read and I wasn't reading it!
[10:19] <MikeW> My BIOS can't use large hdds. I used maxtors maxpart tool to get the drive to report its a 30gb to the bios on startup. I just hope linux can see the full hdd later on
[10:20] <kaffeend> I'm really tired in case you couldn't tell
[10:20] <Stormx> MikeW: I hope so, for your sake >_> what can your BIOS handle up to?
[10:20] <alexrait> I have a problem with my X on breezy. When I start xorg it says there is a fatal error due to not being able to open the font "fixed"
[10:20] <MikeW> Stormx: 32gb
[10:20] <Seveas> alexrait, read the topic :)
[10:20] <wastrel> bah
[10:21] <MikeW> Seveas: when will breezy be ready to use
[10:21] <Seveas> alexrait, in this case it can be fixed with a symlink to the correct font dir - search bugzila for details
[10:21] <Seveas> MikeW, in October :)
[10:21] <Stormx> :)
[10:21] <Seveas> (and hopefully a bit earlier too)
[10:21] <mattyJ> Seveas: is there going to be another colony release before the preview release?
[10:21] <MikeW> Seveas: will there be a largely working beta before that?
[10:21] <alexrait> Seveas I tried to symlink... and mkfontdir but it didn't help
[10:21] <Burgundavia> mattyJ, should be
[10:21] <Seveas> MikeW, several
[10:21] <Stormx> Also, I lost my code when I received my order :(
[10:21] <MartenH> Seveas, will breezy include ndiswrapper and wpa_supplicant by default?
[10:21] <alexrait> Seveas the font dir is /usr/lib/X11/fonts ?
[10:21] <Seveas> MartenH, not on CD unfortunately
[10:21] <kaffeend> caffeinated that is
[10:22] <Seveas> alexrait, ENOIDEA - I don't use Breezy
[10:22] <Stormx> Seveas: Um, can ubuntu handle over 1024x768?
[10:22] <MartenH> Seveas, ok. Got broadband so that's ok with me =)
[10:22] <wastrel> anyone have experience with data recovery? i deleted a file i needed :]
[10:22] <thoreauputic> Stormx: sure
[10:22] <Seveas> Stormx, sure
[10:22] <Stormx> rofl
[10:22] <Stormx> xD
[10:22] <Stormx> OK How?
[10:22] <apokryphos> Seveas: will you remove the silence? He's not a troll, spammer et al. If you wanted to eliminate recalcitrant discussion about your decisions from the #ubuntu channel you should really ask him to /msg you instead, not quieten them. That is, only if you're willing to substantiate your decision
[10:22] <Seveas> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:23] <thoreauputic> !tell Stormx about resolution
[10:23] <MartenH> I can upgrade Hoary to Breezy without anything beeing affected, right?
[10:23] <apokryphos> MartenH: no. Things could break.
[10:23] <MartenH> (What it is finalized)
[10:23] <apokryphos> MartenH: yes
[10:23] <MartenH> s/what/when
[10:23] <apokryphos> MartenH: a dist-upgrade of stable -> stable is supported
[10:24] <kaffeend> apokryphos that fixed my refresh rate, mate :D
[10:24] <MartenH> apokryphos, ok, thought so but I'm new to this so I wanted to make sure
[10:24] <Stormx> Enter the amount of memory to be used by your video card.... HELP!
[10:24] <apokryphos> kaffeend: cool
[10:24] <Stormx> Hello?
[10:24] <holycow> Stormx, just leave it blank
[10:24] <holycow> and go to next step
[10:24] <MartenH> Does breezy run on the same linux kernel as hoary?
[10:25] <holycow> no
[10:25] <Pega> Stormx, you are trying to change the resolution? System - preferencens and 10th option counting from the end (i dunno what it is in english
[10:25] <Seveas> Stormx, answer the default to everything except the resolution :)
[10:25] <Seveas> MartenH, hoary has 2.6.10, breezy 2.6.12
[10:25] <bluemax> hey i'm planning to install windows XP after i've installed ubuntu, and i have some questions
[10:25] <MartenH> Seveas, ok
[10:26] <Stormx> Um....
[10:26] <Burgundavia> bluefoxicy, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[10:26] <thoreauputic> Seveas: FWIW I second apokryphos 's motion to let lunitik speak
[10:26] <Stormx> It didn't say anything about resolution xD
[10:26] <bluemax> i'm gonna be using a brand new hard disk for the windows XP install, so once I install windows, will i have any problems booting into Ubuntu then?
[10:26] <tiglionabbit> oops. In writing the wiki, how do I type a ^ without it making everything superscript?
[10:26] <Burgundavia> bluefoxicy, sorry
[10:26] <bluemax> Burgundavia: i assume that was for me, thanks
[10:26] <Burgundavia> bluemax, yes
[10:26] <MartenH> I downloaded and built a driver for my webcam to work. Will I have to rebuild it once I switch to breezy to make it use the correct kernel files? (since it needed some of those when it was built)
[10:26] <holycow> bluemax, not if you setup grub properly, it can be tricky with two hds from what i've read
[10:27] <bluefoxicy> Burgundavia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacking:_The_Art_of_Exploitation
[10:27] <bluefoxicy> Burgundavia: oops, spam. :)
[10:27] <holycow> bluemax, google dual boot with windows on second hd, i've seen some recent posts on that topic
[10:27] <bluemax> ok, another question: does it matter which HD i set to master and which to slave? is there a preference aside from my own?
[10:27] <bluemax> holycow: ok thanks
[10:27] <tiglionabbit> Burgundavia: how do I write a ^ in the wiki without it going superscript?
[10:27] <holycow> no it doesn't matter, buty it does matter that you keep them at that config after install
[10:28] <AudioMove> is their an equivilant X app like RH system-config-services in ubuntu?
[10:28] <hubsi> zicke
[10:28] <Seveas> AudioMove, update-rc.d
[10:28] <bluemax> ok
[10:28] <Seveas> AudioMove, or bum (see the 3rd part section on the forum)
[10:28] <Seveas> the former is not a GUI app
[10:29] <Seveas> for breezy there will be an official app to do that (it's included in gnome)
[10:29] <holycow> or you can wait until breezy, there is something in the next gnome that is supposed to address that
[10:29] <Burgundavia> tiglionabbit, no idea
[10:29] <Stormx> Hey sexies
[10:29] <tiglionabbit> where's the formatting tips page?
[10:30] <Stormx> Is there one? o.O look in the wiki
[10:30] <tiglionabbit> I'm looking
[10:30] <tiglionabbit> ah here we go
[10:30] <MartenH> apokryphos, Seveas, I downloaded and built a driver for my webcam to work. Will I have to rebuild it once I switch to breezy to make it use the correct kernel files? (since it needed some of those when it was built)
[10:31] <Seveas> MartenH, yes you will need to rebuild it
[10:31] <geekla> how can I configure my printer to be shared via smb on the network? I have samba and smbfs installed, but I don't see anywhere to configure it.
[10:31] <MartenH> Seveas, ok, darn, but good to know =)
[10:31] <AudioMove> thanks Seveas
[10:32] <Stormx> Seveas: Maybe you should unmute that guy now, im sure he's learnt his lesson...
[10:32] <MikeW> woohoo
[10:32] <MikeW> "Grub Loading stage1.5." "GRUB loading, please wait...", "Error 18"
[10:32] <Stormx> o.O
[10:32] <Stormx> Grub didn't work...
[10:32] <holycow> MikeW, last time i've had that i had to fix where it was expecting the kernel to be
[10:34] <Stormx> MikeW: I'm looking into it, apparently its something to do with the partitioning
[10:34] <Stormx> This is just a suggestion, but run a live CD and use "cfdisk". Press w to re-write the partition tables
[10:35] <Seveas> MikeW, enable LBA in your bios
[10:35] <Seveas> error 18 can be solved by that
[10:35] <Stormx> Seveas, damn your infinite wisdom _
[10:35] <Stormx> pieman!
[10:36] <pieman> heya im having trouble with my resolution, erm i checked the conf and all the resolutions are there 800x600 etc 1024 n bits, but i CANT choose anything but 640 480 in the resolution changer,
[10:36] <pieman> any ideas?
[10:36] <zace> ...
[10:36] <zace> no
[10:36] <Stormx> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[10:36] <kaffeend> can anyone tell me what this means please? (synaptic:8798): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_tree_view_unref_tree_helper: assertion `node != NULL' failed
[10:36] <pieman> tried storm
[10:36] <Pega> Hmm. If I install windows inside Ubuntu, can I access and edit all my ntfs drives with it?
[10:36] <Stormx> damn >_>
[10:37] <pieman> im using an intel inbuilt thing
[10:37] <MikeW> Seveas: the drive is already LBA
[10:37] <Seveas> Pega, access yes, edit no
[10:37] <pieman> but still, its all there, and it should do 1024 768 etc
[10:37] <holycow> pieman, you need the righ horizontal and vertical refresh rates for your monitor in your xorg.conf file
[10:37] <holycow> you can find those on the back of the moni or on the net
[10:37] <Stormx> pieman, well its probably not detecting your video card correctly
[10:37] <pieman> ah erm, i couldnt see them
[10:37] <pieman> like in the conf
[10:37] <pieman> @ the refreshes
[10:37] <holycow> let me find what you are looking for
[10:37] <Pega> Seveas, so the only help i get from installing windows in ubuntu will be software compatibility?
[10:38] <Stormx> Pega: What do you mean installing windows in ubuntu?!
[10:38] <holycow> pieman, posted to you in msg window
[10:38] <Seveas> Stormx, I assume VMware or something alike :)
[10:38] <Stormx> Pega: and there is NTFS support, There may be read support in ubuntu (not sure) and there are apps with experimental write support
[10:39] <MikeW> Seveas: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=250641 seems to be the same issue for me
[10:39] <Stormx> Pega: You're best off just installing windows but making the partition FAT
[10:39] <Stormx> brb
[10:39] <Pega> ok
[10:39] <^thehatsrule^> Pega/stormx: there is, use captive-ntfs, its the best - but you need a windows installation/cd to copy some files off it
[10:40] <^thehatsrule^> the ntfs dlls that is
[10:40] <DVSoftware> ^thehatsrule^, i think captive can download required files
[10:40] <Pega> And is there any way to change my hard drives to fat from ntfs without losing 260 gigs veeeeeeeeeery legally downloaded stuff?
[10:40] <Seveas> ^thehatsrule^, did you get captive to work on Ubuntu?
[10:40] <^thehatsrule^> DVSoftware: i dont think so, its copyrighted by m$
[10:40] <clownhunter> hey, how d'ya reconfig x11?
[10:40] <clownhunter> dpkg-reconfigure x11?
[10:41] <^thehatsrule^> Seveas: i cant remember where i tried it on... debian ubutnu or dsl... lol
[10:41] <^thehatsrule^> should work tho
[10:41] <kaffeend> I just tried to run the following: bash:~$ sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/original.sources.list Which returned with: bash: bash:~$: command not found
[10:41] <DVSoftware> i know, i've used it
[10:41] <kaffeend> can someone help me out please?
[10:42] <DVSoftware> Pega, was that ironic?
[10:42] <Chaotic_Shield> kaffeend, are you using a root terminal?
[10:42] <Goodspeed> how do i delete something
[10:42] <Goodspeed> whats the commadn
[10:42] <clownhunter> kaffeend: dunno, reading the topic is always nice
[10:42] <kaffeend> I got that command from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingMultimediaRepositories
[10:42] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: you run the bit *after* the bash $ part
[10:42] <bimberi> kaffeend: leave out the "bash:~$" at the start
[10:42] <holycow> kaffeend, are you running breezy?
[10:42] <^thehatsrule^> Goodspeed: rm
[10:42] <Pega> DVSoftware, maybe a bit. That propably doesn't matter. Can I change it without huge data loss?
[10:42] <^thehatsrule^> Goodspeed: use rm --help to see everything i suppose
[10:43] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: the command begins at "sudo cp"
[10:43] <poningru> I had a question why arent we reducing the amount of apps that we throw out there?
[10:43] <Pega> Or do I need to, like, copy one hard drive to linux, then change it to fat, move the files back, and then with next hard drive?
[10:43] <DVSoftware> yes if you have another 260 gb hdd
[10:43] <Pega> oh
[10:43] <kaffeend> so many questions.... what is breezy? leave out bash:~$ and I'm using the user terminal I guess
[10:44] <Chaotic_Shield> breezy == new Ubuntu version I think.
[10:44] <Burgundavia> Chaotic_Shield, correct
[10:44] <kaffeend> okies
[10:44] <MartenH> kaffeend, breezy is the next generation of bunut. you should be running hoary now since breezy is still in development
[10:44] <Chaotic_Shield> :)
[10:44] <Pega> DVSoftware, that sucks. :( Well, thanks anyways.
[10:44] <yhager> kaffeend, just start the command with the 'sudo' part, not the 'bash' part..
[10:44] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: bash:~$ is just the prompt
[10:44] <DVSoftware> Pega, just do that but instead of fat put ext3 or reiserfs and get rid of windows
[10:44] <Shadowpillar> question
[10:44] <^thehatsrule^> its unstable
[10:44] <Chaotic_Shield> it should be 'sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list........
[10:44] <Shadowpillar> how do I stop mozplugger from going out of control?
[10:44] <DVSoftware> :D
[10:44] <Chaotic_Shield> !mpe
[10:44] <ubotu> Wish i knew, Chaotic_Shield
[10:44] <Chaotic_Shield> !mp3
[10:44] <ubotu> rumour has it, mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[10:44] <Chaotic_Shield> ok
[10:44] <Chaotic_Shield> thanks Code_Dark
[10:44] <holycow> kaffeend, if you don't know what is breezy, theyn you aren't running it :) which is good
[10:45] <kaffeend> I don't know... I typed exactly what it said to type - actually, I just copied and pasted it
[10:45] <kaffeend> but I don't know WHAT I'm running
[10:45] <Shadowpillar> whenever an mp3 or wav file is played in the background of a play, it plays the sound a million times it seems (not looping, it spawns a shitload of processes all playing the same sound, and almost crashes the computer)
[10:45] <Pega> DVSoftware, my sister has used to use windows... Tho she would propably learn ubuntu very soon (this seems quite easy to use). So maybe I'll do that...
[10:45] <kaffeend> hoarty?
[10:45] <yhager> kaffeend, just copy starting the word 'sudo' and try again!
[10:45] <Chaotic_Shield> hey Seveas or Amaranth, could you unban Code_Dark? He's disabled his script.
[10:45] <kaffeend> ok
[10:45] <Pega> Anyways. good nite, everyone.
[10:45] <^thehatsrule^> hoary, its the codename for ubuntu
[10:45] <^thehatsrule^> at least, this version
[10:45] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: start the copy paste *after* the bash:~$
[10:45] <pieman> hey er
[10:46] <pieman> holycow
[10:46] <pieman> etc
[10:46] <pieman> heres my conf
[10:46] <pieman> http://legion.gibbering.net/cyanidenights/xorg.conf
[10:46] <MartenH> kaffeend, sudo means that you run it as super use (sudo=super user do), this gives you extended right that your user doesn't have by default
[10:46] <apokryphos> ^thehatsrule^: strictly speaking it's the codename for version 5.04 of Ubuntu
[10:46] <MartenH> kaffeend, cp means copy
[10:46] <Chaotic_Shield> aka it's like running it from a root terminal.
[10:46] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield, ack
[10:46] <Amaranth> Chaotic_Shield: Seveas has to do it, he is the one that made the ban.
[10:46] <^thehatsrule^> apokryphos: ah yea, i sorta forgot the version # for a sec :P
[10:46] <Seveas> Amaranth, you can still remove it :)
[10:46] <Chaotic_Shield> Amaranth, you can unban too, you're an op.
[10:46] <Shadowpillar> anyone know?
[10:46] <Amaranth> Seveas, Chaotic_Shield: I cannot step on the toes of other ops.
[10:47] <Amaranth> It's not my place.
[10:47] <MartenH> kaffeend, and cp /something/filea /something/fileb will make a copy of filea and save it as fileb
[10:47] <Chaotic_Shield> Yes you can, there's only 1 other :-P
[10:47] <kaffeend> ok I did it and no error message - but just went back to the prompt
[10:47] <bimberi> perhaps it's a matter of etiquette
[10:47] <Seveas> Amaranth, I do it all the time to keep the ban list manageable...
[10:47] <kaffeend> so much to learn - just to listen to music o_O
[10:48] <MartenH> kaffeend, then it succeeded. yuo now have a copy of the file
[10:48] <Amaranth> Seveas: I do it for older bans, sure.
[10:48] <kaffeend> cool
[10:48] <MartenH> kaffeend, get an mp3 player :) j/k
[10:48] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: in *nix, silence means success ;)
[10:48] <bimberi> kaffeend: you can check that the file is there with "ls /etc/apt"
[10:48] <apokryphos> "Silence is Golden"
[10:48] <kaffeend> MartenH that's what I've been trying to do for the last 2 days!
[10:48] <cavediver> Anyone have an idea on how to split a large file in rar-chunks?
[10:48] <holycow> pieman, you need HorizSync 30-70 VertRefresh 50-160 in your monitor section, but with ranges specific to your monitor model
[10:49] <gregj> guys, anyone knows why ubuntu doesn't ship openexr (debian does)
[10:49] <jmcnaught> kaffeend: are you adding repositories to /etc/apt/sources.list? you can do that thru synaptic in hoary if you find it easier that way
[10:49] <PurpleMotion> i fixeded it
[10:49] <PurpleMotion> thank you everyone for your help and support
[10:49] <PurpleMotion> :)
[10:49] <PurpleMotion> now getting 200+ fps in glxgears fullscreen (1280x960)
[10:50] <Seveas> gregj, Ubuntu has it
[10:50] <Seveas> in universe
[10:50] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: 200+ is a decent software renderer
[10:50] <gregj> can't see it
[10:50] <kaffeend> think I'd rather give up - I asked how to do it so many times and each time I discover another way to do it
[10:50] <Seveas> !info openexr
[10:50] <ubotu> openexr: (Viewer and docs for the OpenEXR image format), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 1.2.1-2 (hoary), Packaged size: 424 kB, Installed size: 736 kB
[10:50] <MartenH> kaffeend, it can be tricky sometimes. I'm new to it too. Took me aw hile to get webcam and stuff set up right but stick at it and you'll get there
[10:50] <kaffeend> might just buy an i-pod
[10:50] <PurpleMotion> the problem was the ubuntu package, so far as i can tell.. i installed the ati driver fromt heir site, and took the Moduels and Device sections from the xorg.conf it generated and put them in mine
[10:50] <MartenH> kaffeend, (except for my WPA support as Seves can vouch for)
[10:51] <xliu> my usb can not be mounted automatically, though it could be, any one has suggestions?
[10:51] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: heh - there are usually quite a few ways to do anything in linux
[10:51] <PurpleMotion> Amaranth: i suppose you get about six thousand, eh
[10:51] <Seveas> *shiver* MartenH
[10:51] <gregj> Seveas: but no libopenexr3 and no libopenexr-dev
[10:51] <PurpleMotion> it's only a 9250
[10:51] <gregj> libopenexr2
[10:51] <MartenH> Seveas, :)
[10:51] <Seveas> I remember the horrors you went through with that
[10:51] <PurpleMotion> on a 1.7ghz box
[10:51] <kaffeend> which is precisely the problem - too much variety and customisability
[10:51] <kaffeend> makes kaffeend a dull boy
[10:51] <Seveas> gregj, ubuntu ships 2 instead of 3
[10:51] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: I get about 380
[10:52] <apokryphos> kaffeend: customizability is a good thing ;-)
[10:52] <jmcnaught> kaffeend: in synaptic go to settings > repositories. you can turn universe and multiverse on in there, or add a new repository just by clicking add, then clicking the custom button and pasting the line in.
[10:52] <MartenH> Seveas, MIght give it another try eventually, just need to know my way around ubuntu and linux a bit better first. Don'tr want to have to run around asking stuff all the time
[10:52] <equex> what file does xserver really read ? /etc/X11/xorg.conf or /etc/X11/FX86config-4 file ? because ati's fglrxconfig tool writes to the latter.
[10:52] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: in a few months you will feel differently about that :)
[10:52] <kaffeend> k
[10:52] <Seveas> equex, on warty the Xfree file on hoary the xorg
[10:52] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: My card is almost worse than software.
[10:52] <PurpleMotion> equex: ditch the ubuntu fglrx package amd download the one from ati.com
[10:52] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: Tell someone to do that and you'd better be willing to support it.
[10:52] <equex> Seveas: alas, but if i edit the ATI section in the XF86 file, performance change.
[10:52] <PurpleMotion> equex: i just went through all that for over an hour
[10:53] <gregj> Seveas: well, I had to download libopenexr[2|-dev] from debian, and openexr it self is in ubuntu\
[10:53] <Seveas> equex, are you running warty?
[10:53] <PurpleMotion> Amaranth: considering i just pulled my hair out for an hour over it, i'd be MORE than happy to :)
[10:53] <equex> hoary
[10:53] <Seveas> or are you still runnung the warty X server?
[10:53] <equex> say that, can they confict perhaps?
[10:53] <Seveas> equex, yes
[10:53] <equex> the two configs
[10:53] <equex> aha
[10:53] <Seveas> equex, you should install ubuntu-desktop during upgrades by the way
[10:53] <thoreauputic> equex: what does " cat /etc/issue ' say?
[10:53] <Amaranth> btw, breezy might not have fglrx
[10:54] <equex> get one straight and copy that over th other
[10:54] <Amaranth> and it might not be installable even from ati.com
[10:54] <Seveas> Amaranth, hmm?
[10:54] <PurpleMotion> equex: I *just now* got my radeom 9250 working optimally.. would you like me to tell you how i did it?
[10:54] <Amaranth> Seveas: ATI needs to make a new driver for X11R7
[10:54] <PurpleMotion> radeon
[10:54] <Seveas> restricted-modules has hit breezy today :)
[10:54] <Seveas> oh....
[10:54] <Seveas> I see...
[10:54] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, write it on a wikipage so others can benefit from it too
[10:54] <Seveas> :)
[10:54] <Amaranth> Seveas: fglrx still works in breezy right now because we don't have the X11R7 RC0 xserver yet
[10:54] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: i foresee a tripling of binary driver questions...
[10:55] <equex> PurpleMotion: yes please ? ;p
[10:55] <Goodspeed> how do i fix broken packages
[10:55] <Goodspeed> in terminal
[10:55] <PurpleMotion> equex: msg me
[10:55] <PurpleMotion> Seveas: I most certainly will
[10:55] <equex> thoreauputic: nothing important, just a security notice "do not log in if blah blah:
[10:56] <apokryphos> Goodspeed: see man apt-get. --fix-broken
[10:56] <apokryphos> or just -f
[10:56] <thoreauputic> equex: that's the output of cat /etc/issue ? In that case something is wrong
[10:57] <thoreauputic> equex: it should say something like Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" \n \l
[10:57] <apokryphos> Always wondered what the \n \l is
[10:58] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: yes me too :) looks like a line break or something
[10:58] <Goodspeed> apokryphos that didnt work
[10:58] <Seveas> \n = name of workstation \l = tty
[10:58] <Seveas> look in your virtual consoles with ctrl-alt-F1
[10:58] <Seveas> (alt-f7 brings X back)
[10:58] <thoreauputic> ah
[10:58] <apokryphos> Goodspeed: sudo apt-get -f install didn't help?
[10:59] <Goodspeed> nm synaptic fixed it
[11:00] <pweyers_> being a linux newbie, what would be my steps to get the BASE application installed? do i need to add new repositories or should i just reinstall the new open office from scratch?
[11:00] <selinium> Hi all, anyone know how to create a DVD iso using dd?
[11:00] <thoreauputic> Seveas: the output looks the same in tty2 - did I miss something?
[11:00] <francesco_> Hello! I have an hd with winxp and an hd with ubuntu. GRUB is on the winxp hd (on the mbr). Can I setup GRUB so that when I unplug ubuntu's hd, winxp boots anyway?
[11:00] <Seveas> thoreauputic, in tty2 it says tty2
[11:00] <selinium> Hi thoreaputic, Seveas :)
[11:00] <ompaul> pweyers_, emm base applications are there from the start, what actual program do you want to add?
[11:00] <thoreauputic> Seveas: not here
[11:00] <Seveas> pweyers_, you'd better wait for breezy to stabilize
[11:01] <Seveas> thoreauputic, it has to, otherwise you did not switch VT
[11:01] <pweyers_> ompaul, i am using ubuntu 5.04 and the openOffice implementation provided does not have base
[11:01] <apokryphos> Hm, and my switching doesn't seem to work neither :|
[11:01] <Seveas> tty2 does not have all the boot-stuff in it
[11:01] <pweyers_> breezy is the next version of ubuntu?
[11:01] <Seveas> yes
[11:01] <Seveas> due out in october
[11:02] <selinium> Oct 13th
[11:02] <thoreauputic> Seveas: *cough* I did ctrl-alt-F2, and ran cat /etc/issue - output still has \n \l
[11:02] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell pweyers_ about ubotu
[11:02] <Seveas> thoreauputic, rofl
[11:02] <Seveas> that's not what I mean
[11:02] <pweyers_> but there is a way to use an updated openOffice on hoary hedgedog? :) ?
[11:02] <apokryphos> whoop
[11:02] <MikeW> Hrm, how many partitions do I need to install ubuntu?
[11:02] <apokryphos> ubotu: tel pweyers_ about breezy
[11:02] <ubotu> apokryphos: I don't know
[11:02] <thoreauputic> Seveas: so what did you mean ?
[11:02] <Seveas> the text before you login
[11:02] <bougalou> hello :)
[11:02] <apokryphos> gah
[11:02] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell pweyers_ about breezy
[11:02] <pweyers_> thx apokryphos ;)
[11:03] <Seveas> it's the same as the /etc/issue file, but \l replaced with your tty and \n with your hostname
[11:03] <thoreauputic> Seveas: ah I see - so the text before login comes from /etc/issue - gotcha :)
[11:03] <Seveas> :)_
[11:03] <MikeW> What partitions do I need aside from SWAP?
[11:03] <ompaul> pweyers_, do you want to run OO2 ?
[11:03] <MikeW> The first one I create should be what? Mount point / or mount point /home or what?
[11:03] <thoreauputic> Seveas: sorry for the misunderstanding but your comment didn't mention that :)
[11:04] <pweyers_> ompaul, not neccessarily, shouldnt base be included in the stable 1.x version as well?
[11:04] <bougalou> someone interestedon industrial dev like connection to automate
[11:04] <ompaul> pweyers_, I do not know what base is in office :) so I do not know what it is you are looking for - is base database?
[11:05] <bolsh> Hi
[11:05] <bolsh> Especially hello to all the people also on #gnome on gimpnet :)
[11:05] <pweyers_> ompaul, yes.. im sorry. base is supposedly the "access" equivalent
[11:05] <ompaul> ahh
[11:05] <james> I'm trying to map my "menu key" to the context event that is triggered by "shift-F10" - any ideas how to do it
[11:06] <MikeW> Seveas: what should my first partition be?
[11:06] <bolsh> Any PPC users here?
[11:06] <bolsh> I have a bunch of questions
[11:06] <MikeW> Seveas: mount point / or /home?
[11:06] <Seveas> /
[11:06] <MikeW> Seveas: asides from swap, do I need another one?
[11:06] <Seveas> the things you need are / and swap
[11:07] <Seveas> all others are optional
[11:07] <mark_> I have Ubuntu 5.04 on a second HD ,,,, Installed same on primary HD,, How to move my files to primary?
[11:07] <MikeW> okay
[11:08] <Razor-X> what's the command to reset iptables?
[11:08] <rapha> Hi all!
[11:08] <james> Hi rapha
[11:09] <Seveas> iptables -F
[11:09] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: iptables -F (or --flush)
[11:09] <Razor-X> thanks
[11:09] <rapha> I used visudo to have a "rapha ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL" in it, which in Warty worked fine. But Hoary now still asks for a password when using sudo. What am I doing wrong?
[11:09] <bolsh> First, if I want to dual boot Mac OS X 10.3 and hoary, which should I install first? Who does the partitioning? Any reccommended partitioning schemes?
[11:09] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: iptables --help | less ;)
[11:09] <rapha> Hi james :)
[11:09] <Seveas> rapha, did you add it after %admin?
[11:10] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: that brings up another point
[11:10] <rapha> Seveas: No, after root
[11:10] <Razor-X> I've found less to be less-featured than more
[11:10] <Seveas> hmm
[11:10] <Razor-X> are there any significant advantages and disadvantages over the two?
[11:10] <bolsh> Next, if I want to have a big shared space partition that gets used by both Hoary and 10.3, what filesystem is best? I don't trust HFS+ support on Linux...
[11:10] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: no, less is more, and most is more than less ( more or less) ;)
[11:10] <kaffeend> I have just downloaded Americas Army and have a .sh file on the desktop, but I can't figure out how to run it... Can anyone help me please?
[11:10] <Seveas> rapha, try removing yourself from the admin group
[11:11] <majic> what does the term 'LoCo' mean?
[11:11] <Seveas> Local Coordination
[11:11] <majic> ah
[11:11] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: meh
[11:11] <psychonate> Razor-X, the man page for 'more' even recommends that users use 'less' heh
[11:11] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: less has it all over more - / to search, page up etc etc
[11:11] <bolsh> kaffeend: open up a terminal
[11:11] <Ju1ce> kaffeend: /home/you/Desktop/the-sh-file.sh
[11:11] <psychonate> "This version is especially primitve. Users should realize that less(1) provides more(1) emulation and extensive enhancements."
[11:11] <kaffeend> thanks
[11:12] <bolsh> kaffeend: run the command chmod a+x Desktop/command.sh (to allow people to execute it)
[11:12] <Seveas> psychonate, thanks for the 'most'
[11:12] <bolsh> kaffeend: Then do what Ju1ce said :)
[11:12] <Seveas> looks nice
[11:12] <Razor-X> I don't really use the two often, if i'm using my emacs shell buffer, I don't need them, but for ansi-term or a screen session
[11:12] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: BTW the "most" command also exists :)
[11:12] <Seveas> most is to less what multitail is to tail :)
[11:12] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: I will check it out
[11:13] <Razor-X> I always found less a little less intuitive than more ;)
[11:13] <rapha> Seveas: I take it putting NOPASSWD: ALL to %admin will have the same effect?
[11:13] <kaffeend> okay bolsh and Julce thanks
[11:13] <Seveas> rapha, sure
[11:13] <rapha> Seveas: Worked! Thanks a heap man!
[11:13] <F0ckF3ar22> hey
[11:13] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: "Less is more" - Mies Van de Rohe (famous architect- spelling may be wrong)
[11:14] <F0ckF3ar22> how do you get root permissions
[11:14] <F0ckF3ar22> sudo?
[11:14] <F0ckF3ar22> what
[11:14] <Seveas> sudo -i
[11:14] <F0ckF3ar22> thanks
[11:14] <Seveas> that gives you a root shell
[11:14] <Seveas> F0ckF3ar22: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[11:14] <dimitris> Is there a way to keep gaim in the notification area like msn without the main window coming up everytime i open my computer?
[11:15] <Seveas> dimitris, yes
[11:15] <bolsh> So - no macosX people about, then?...
[11:15] <dimitris> I use the iconify plugin but when i restart my box the main window comes up
[11:15] <Seveas> ah wait...
[11:15] <Seveas> yeah, you can't prevent that from happening
[11:15] <Seveas> it's annoying :)
[11:15] <kaffeend> bash: a+x: command not found
[11:16] <thoreauputic> bolsh: why exactly would people in #ubuntu be likely to be mac OS-X people ? ;-)
[11:16] <dimitris> Seveas, yes it is!!! :-)
[11:16] <Seveas> afaik it's a requested feature and being worked on
[11:16] <bolsh> kaffeend: chmod a+x
[11:16] <thoreauputic> kaffeend: I think you meant chmod a+x
[11:16] <zAo^> restricted modules in Breezy!!!!
[11:16] <bolsh> thoreauputic: OK then, PPC. You happy now? :)
[11:16] <F0ckF3ar22> Razor-X
[11:16] <kaffeend> I didn't mean anything
[11:16] <kaffeend> but ok
[11:16] <F0ckF3ar22> Remember i asked you about the floppy installation for debian
[11:16] <Razor-X> F0ckF3ar22: hmmmm?
[11:16] <thoreauputic> bolsh: Oh yes - i have an iBook G4 :)
[11:16] <Razor-X> F0ckF3ar22: yeah
[11:17] <salil> can anyone tell me how to change the icons in ubuntu..?
[11:17] <bolsh> thoreauputic: Did you keep it in dual boot, or blitz the lot?
[11:17] <salil> for different file types..
[11:17] <Ju1ce> what's wrong with my cups when i try to access it via kcontrol it says that it initalizes it for a long time and then say's connection refused or something like that
[11:17] <Seveas> salil, you can change the theme
[11:17] <PurpleMotion> Razor-X: i finally got a new video card *uNF*
[11:17] <F0ckF3ar22> well i installed debian using flopppys.. now how do i install ubuntu Razor-X
[11:17] <Seveas> salil, system -> prefs -> theme
[11:17] <Ju1ce> damn i have tried to reinstall it for many times
[11:17] <salil> Seveas: i jsut want to change the icons only
[11:17] <MartenH> salil: download an icon pack from somewhere gnome-llok.org as example
[11:17] <thoreauputic> bolsh: i have dual boot so i can run multimedia stuff with mac-on-linux !
[11:17] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: cool
[11:17] <Razor-X> F0ckF3ar22: kickass ;)
[11:18] <PurpleMotion> hell yeah
[11:18] <kaffeend> Hmmm... chmod a+x Desktop/command.sh
[11:18] <kaffeend> chmod: cannot access `Desktop/command.sh': No such file or directory
[11:18] <Razor-X> where's the generic sources.list at, again?
[11:18] <F0ckF3ar22> Razor-X +) but now i just need to get ubuntu
[11:18] <PurpleMotion> radeon 9250 8x 128m
[11:18] <bolsh> thoreauputic: What did the partitioning, the Ubuntu install disk, or the Mac install disk?
[11:18] <MartenH> salil: then open system -> preferences - themes, switch to the icons tab and drag-n-drop the file tehre
[11:18] <Razor-X> F0ckF3ar22: you've crossed the hardest hurdle ;)
[11:18] <Seveas> salil, art.gnome.org/faq.php can give you more details than I can :)
[11:18] <Razor-X> !sources
[11:18] <bolsh> thoreauputic: Or the disk utility?
[11:18] <ubotu> sources is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:18] <Razor-X> ugghh
[11:18] <thoreauputic> bolsh: the mac disk
[11:18] <jago25_98> Easiest way to get ntfs r-w support?
[11:18] <Razor-X> !list
[11:18] <ubotu> it has been said that list is at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[11:18] <F0ckF3ar22> Razor-X yeah i did.. it wasnt easy lol
[11:18] <Razor-X> noooo!
[11:18] <salil> Marble2: i just want to change the look of pdf files.. can't i do just that..?
[11:18] <Seveas> jago25_98, installing windows
[11:18] <Razor-X> Seveas: do you remember where the generic sources.list is at?
[11:18] <thoreauputic> bolsh: I used the utility on the mac disk to make partitions
[11:18] <jago25_98> Seveas: ho ho.
[11:19] <Seveas> Razor-X: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[11:19] <salil> MartenH: there's no icons tab. !!
[11:19] <bolsh> thoreauputic: And which OS did you install first, MacOS or Hoary/Warty?
[11:19] <MartenH> salil: just remember to add them through drag-n-drop to the themes interface. I tried a manual way which didn't work but the drag-n-drop worked like a charm right away
[11:19] <Seveas> jago25_98, honest, it's the easiest...
[11:19] <Seveas> ntfs writing on linux is a no-go
[11:19] <grinob2> anybody knows something about samba ?
[11:19] <thoreauputic> bolsh: hmm... OS-X then warty I think
[11:19] <MartenH> salil, sorry, press theme datils foirst
[11:19] <bolsh> OK
[11:19] <Razor-X> F0ckF3ar22: copy the following lines into /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:19] <thoreauputic> bolsh: been a while
[11:19] <Razor-X> F0ckF3ar22: in the URL paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[11:19] <MartenH> s/foirst/first
[11:19] <salil> MartenH: okay
[11:19] <Ju1ce> this is the cups crash message: "an error occured while retrieving the list of available backends. Please check that cups is properly installed and started."
[11:19] <ortox> is there a partition manager for ubuntu?
[11:19] <F0ckF3ar22> Razor x so i go to the command line
[11:19] <Razor-X> F0ckF3ar22: remember to edit it as _root_
[11:19] <F0ckF3ar22> and type that
[11:19] <abydos> hrm
[11:19] <bolsh> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/PowerPC <- that's my reference, but there are some holes
[11:20] <Razor-X> F0ckF3ar22: ``sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list''
[11:20] <thoreauputic> bolsh: I made free space to install warty on
[11:20] <abydos> I want to install e17DR packages, with apt
[11:20] <bolsh> thoreauputic: Any tips on a filesystem to choose for a large shared disk I plan on having?
[11:20] <Razor-X> abydos: I can help you there
[11:20] <abydos> I have added the repository with the packages to sources.list
[11:20] <wasamonkey> im looking for a good downloadable guide for users new to linux, all i have found so far are online and i have no service at home
[11:20] <bolsh> thoreauputic: I thought it was impossible to resize HFS+ partitions?
[11:20] <ortox> is there a partition manager for ubuntu?
[11:20] <abydos> Razor-X: it seems to want to install e16 packages from the 'official' ubuntu repos
[11:20] <toowoomba> I can't get my sandisk mp3 to show up in ubuntu. Any ideas?
[11:20] <bolsh> ortox: Yup
[11:20] <thoreauputic> bolsh: I didn't do that - I can mount OS-X from ubuntu if I wish
[11:20] <toowoomba> ortox: gparted
[11:21] <ortox> cool
[11:21] <ortox> ill check it
[11:21] <Ju1ce> what about fdisk?
[11:21] <bolsh> thoreauputic: Are you happy using HFS+ as a "main" filesystem?
[11:21] <toowoomba> qtparted
[11:21] <Razor-X> abydos: did you add this: deb http://ubuntu.nooms.de/ hoary/ ?
[11:21] <bolsh> toowoomba: Careful... ;)
[11:21] <ortox> ???
[11:21] <thoreauputic> bolsh: I don't use it much, really - I use ubuntu most of the time
[11:21] <abydos> Razor-X: no, I used deb http://soulmachine.net/debian unstable/
[11:21] <Razor-X> F0ckF3ar22: yeah, and type that
[11:21] <Razor-X> abydos: that went down
[11:21] <toowoomba> bolsh: I don't understand?
[11:21] <kaffeend> No dice yet. Got /home/me/Desktop/armyops230-linux.run
[11:21] <kaffeend> bash: /home/me/Desktop/armyops230-linux.run: Permission denied
[11:22] <bolsh> toowoomba: the qt thing. Never mind
[11:22] <toowoomba> ok
[11:22] <bolsh> thoreauputic: Ah
[11:22] <Razor-X> abydos: there's a nice howto on the forums, go to the last page
[11:22] <thoreauputic> bolsh: you can get a program that allows OS-X to read ext3 anyway
[11:22] <selinium> I am copying a DVD using dd if=/dev/cdrom1 of=Blue_Planet_Disc_1.iso bs=1024 It has been running for hours and has only copied 530Mb. What have I done wrong?
[11:22] <abydos> Razor-X: well, that's great. good thing someone finally told me :x
[11:22] <Razor-X> I have to leave now, so brb
[11:22] <bolsh> I think we're going to be in dual boot for quite a while
[11:22] <wasamonkey> is it fairly easy to mount ntfs partitions in ubuntu?
[11:22] <bolsh> My wife like iPhoto and iTunes
[11:22] <toowoomba> monkey: read only, yes
[11:22] <abydos> Razor-X: mind linking me?
[11:22] <bolsh> And I must admit that MacOS X is miles nicer to use than what went before it
[11:22] <Seveas> wasamonkey, very
[11:23] <Seveas> wasamonkey: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[11:23] <PurpleMotion> :-S
[11:23] <wasamonkey> toowoomba how would i go about that? found no documentation on the cd
[11:23] <Strife> has anyone ever used socksify with irssi?
[11:23] <Ju1ce> http://ubuntuguide.org/#automountntfs
[11:23] <PurpleMotion> you have to be kidding me
[11:23] <wasamonkey> thanks
[11:23] <Seveas> Ju1ce, please don't recommend ubuntuguide
[11:23] <Seveas> !ubuntuguide
[11:23] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[11:23] <PurpleMotion> what did it do?
[11:23] <PurpleMotion> cause it worked perfectly for me
[11:24] <thoreauputic> bolsh: after the initial excitement with OS-X I lost interest in digging so deep to find anything unixish - I prefer the transparency of linux
[11:24] <equex> no PurpleMotion , it actually made the performance worse, but let e double chech that i did everything right
[11:24] <jago25_98> How do I set config to current (no /proc/.config.gz available) is it `make old`?
[11:24] <equex> let me*
[11:24] <PurpleMotion> a LOT of things made the performance worse for me... that was the only thing that made it good
[11:24] <Ju1ce> but the instructions of ubuntuguide work :D
[11:24] <thoreauputic> bolsh: the file system tree in OS-X is baroque
[11:24] <bolsh> OK, here goes nothing...
[11:24] <PurpleMotion> equex: glxinfo | grep direct
[11:24] <bolsh> Bye.
[11:25] <sorush21> anyone recommend good free webhosting...
[11:25] <AndieB> Hi all!
[11:25] <equex> PurpleMotion: now it says indirect. atleast, it used to say Direct rendeding, but was obviously not that
[11:25] <Ju1ce> there really isn't any good free hostings ;)
[11:26] <equex> also says using MESA OpenGl Indirect
[11:26] <AndieB> I have problem connecting from my Windows XP (SP2) to my Ubuntu Linux SMB share, it doesn't accept my username and password... should it be written i special way?
[11:26] <PurpleMotion> oh.. my problem was prior to doing all of that, it always said indirect for me.. now it says direct
[11:26] <jago25_98> sorush21: a friend @ uni computer club
[11:26] <confrey> hi everybody
[11:26] <thoreauputic> Ju1ce: Seveas is conducting a holy war against ubuntuguide ;)
[11:26] <Seveas> AndieB, samba uses its own passwords
[11:26] <MartenH> andie, you need to use.. uhm... smbctrl I think the command was...
[11:26] <Seveas> AndieB, use smbpasswd to set it
[11:26] <jago25_98> How do I set kernel config to current (no /proc/.config.gz available) is it `make old`?
[11:26] <MartenH> AndieB, listen to Seveas :)
[11:27] <equex> PurpleMotion: thanks anyway, i will do the procedure again, but for now, i need a break from GL :)
[11:27] <Seveas> jago25_98, /boot/config*
[11:27] <equex> this is so hard it isnt even funny
[11:27] <PurpleMotion> equex: i feel ya... good luck,t hat solution straightened things right out for me
[11:27] <Gnome> hello does somebody know's when the e17 (new enlighenment) come's?
[11:27] <jago25_98> Seveas: thanks, that's one way I suppose
[11:27] <Seveas> Gnome, check the enlightenment website :)
[11:28] <AndieB> Seveas: Oki , from the ROOT TERMINAL then?
[11:28] <Seveas> jago25_98, the only one I know of
[11:28] <Gnome> done that but there say soon but not when:p
[11:28] <Ju1ce> what cups packages are necessary for a standalone printing purpose?
[11:28] <Seveas> AndieB, smbpasswd -a USERNAME
[11:28] <AndieB> Seveas: Thank you, I'll try right away!
[11:28] <kaffeend> I'm trying to get this /Desktop/armyops230-linux.run file to execute but I'm having a difficult time of it. Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong please? I've got the terminal open and using the command: chmod a+x desktop/command.sh but it keeps returning the error: chmod: cannot access `Desktop/command.sh': No such file or directory
[11:28] <Kev0r> Seveas: did you get my PM?
[11:28] <Gnome> i'm getting horny from the video's from the e17 damm looks verry nice what that:p
[11:29] <jasoncohen> there's something seriously wrong with my system. every few days the FS seriously corrupts itself and it stops booting up correctly. i have to run a fsck manually because a shutdown -Fr now fails
[11:29] <ortox> be quiet
[11:29] <PurpleMotion> fgl_glxgears (FS@1280x960x24bpp): 441 frames in 5.0 seconds = 88.200 FPS
[11:29] <jasoncohen> it tries to fix the partition and then fails
[11:29] <PurpleMotion> that's not shabby
[11:29] <^thehatsrule^> lol kaffeend... you do that command to the armyops file
[11:29] <lee> lee@rincewind:~$ sudo umount /media/scsidisk/
[11:29] <lee> Password:
[11:29] <lee> Segmentation fault
[11:29] <Seveas> Kev0r, no
[11:29] <lee> that's ... not good =)
[11:29] <Kev0r> check
[11:29] <Kev0r> dno if it's helpfull but here goes anywayz
[11:29] <kaffeend> what can I say? I'm a n00b
[11:29] <jasoncohen> now gdm is giving me a strange error saying there's no server and XDCMP Is disabled. it then loads gdm
[11:29] <jago25_98> kaffeend: sh army<tab><enter>
[11:29] <Boffa> is anyone really good at DVD writer problems ? Check my Thread at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=286311
[11:29] <confrey> how can I force apt to use debs from local archives before using debs from internet archives?
[11:29] <Seveas> lee, wow :)
[11:30] <thoreauputic> !tell Seveas about holy war
[11:30] <Seveas> how did you do that?
[11:30] <thoreauputic> *g*
[11:30] <PurpleMotion> equex: what kind of framerates are you wanting or trying to attain?
[11:30] <thoreauputic> !forget holy war
[11:30] <ubotu> thoreauputic: i didn't have anything called 'holy war'
[11:30] <thoreauputic> hahah
[11:30] <davidmccabe> hey folks. what is a command-line program that can search through the package database?
[11:30] <Kev0r> Seveas: bout automatic mounting of USb-sticks & cdroms, just install gnome-volume-manager and make it start for that user as a daemon every session 6)
[11:30] <abydos> !forget crusades
[11:30] <ubotu> abydos: i didn't have anything called 'crusades'
[11:30] <PurpleMotion> cause the card only does so much, and if your mobo is 4xAGP or 8xAGP is going to have a DRAMATIC affect on performance
[11:30] <abydos> !forget holocaust
[11:30] <ubotu> i didn't have anything called 'holocaust', abydos
[11:30] <PurpleMotion> abydos: sg1 fan?
[11:30] <selinium> How do I find out how much RAM i've got installed?
[11:31] <Seveas> Kev0r, g-v-m is installed automatically....
[11:31] <abydos> PurpleMotion: damn straight
[11:31] <PurpleMotion> right on
[11:31] <Kev0r> not when ur doing a minimal installation :P
[11:31] <abydos> PurpleMotion: BSG too
[11:31] <jasoncohen> SMART says the HD isn't failing. it pasts all of the tests it supports. what's the problem?
[11:31] <PurpleMotion> bsg?
[11:31] <Seveas> Kev0r, that
[11:31] <lee> Seveas: any suggestions wtf caused that?
[11:31] <abydos> PurpleMotion: Battlestar Galactica (the new series)
[11:31] <Seveas> Kev0r, that's what ubuntu-desktop is for...
[11:31] <Boffa> selimum: cat /proc/meminfo
[11:31] <Seveas> lee, no clue at all
[11:31] <Seveas> is it reproducable?
[11:31] <selinium> Boffa: Cheers!
[11:31] <Kev0r> ubuntu-desktop? :o
[11:32] <PurpleMotion> abydos: i miss babylon 5
[11:32] <lee> Seveas: nope
[11:32] <PurpleMotion> that was the best sci fi series EVER made
[11:32] <abydos> PurpleMotion: never saw much of that, I should find a torernt
[11:32] <Seveas> lee, then you will probably never know
[11:32] <Seveas> lee, unles dmesg has something
[11:32] <PurpleMotion> abydos: the people were so REAL... grimy as all hell (as you know space-trade will be), twisted, politically-motivated, vibrantly human
[11:32] <lee> poot
[11:32] <lee> kernel BUG at mm/filemap.c:459!
[11:33] <Ju1ce> kaffeend: can't be that hard ;)
[11:33] <lee> that would probably be it =)
[11:33] <Seveas> :)
[11:33] <PurpleMotion> kinda like the new (and to a degree old) BSG
[11:33] <abydos> PurpleMotion: Kinda like the new Battlestar series, then, except ran much longer and isn't still in production
[11:33] <equex> PurpleMotion: i was having rates at about 70 on a fresh install. i managed to tweak it to 700 with xorg.conf. other than that, i would like my GL screen savers to not look like theyre running on a c64.
[11:33] <kaffeend> Julce it certainly SHOULDN'T be
[11:33] <PurpleMotion> equex: lol.. right on
[11:34] <morphiushacker> How can I start a program on boot up (before x loads) I know I can use init scripts but a) they are a little confusing and B) I'm unsure if they'll support passing parameters/switches. Is there a more batch file style way of doing this and/or can I pass parameters when I start a program from an init script?
[11:34] <equex> PurpleMotion: this machine rund HL2 so the house shakes
[11:34] <abydos> I would like my movies not to cause *irc* to lag
[11:34] <PurpleMotion> equex: well, like i said, dont expect too much from this card, especially if you're @ 4xAGP
[11:34] <Ju1ce> kaffeend: why don't you just copy(drag) it to /home/you so it will be easier :D
[11:34] <equex> i think its 8x
[11:34] <abydos> I need to disable ACPI, it's lagging my machine
[11:34] <F0ckF3ar22> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:34] <abydos> but rebooting sucks.
[11:34] <kaffeend> okay I'll try that
[11:34] <PurpleMotion> abydos: 5 seasons and three movies
[11:34] <equex> anyway, if windows can run HL2 at decent framerates, linux should be able to run a screen saver
[11:34] <equex> on the same card
[11:35] <abydos> PurpleMotion: Nice, I bet there's a torrent of it
[11:35] <Stormx> Hey
[11:35] <Stormx> back
[11:35] <jasoncohen> what else could be causing filesystem corruption if not the HD failing? this is happening every few days
[11:35] <kaffeend> this may sound dumb, but where is Home?
[11:35] <PurpleMotion> equex: i hear ya... i'm living proof it's possible.... good luck and sorry i couldnt help more... im confidant the answer lies with the official ati binary installer, tho
[11:35] <abydos> kaffeend: /home/$username
[11:36] <PurpleMotion> abydos: i'm sure.. i know you can buy all 5 seasons and all three movies on dvd
[11:36] <abydos> kaffeend: usually, anyway
[11:36] <equex> PurpleMotion: seems ati is in bed with red hat mostly
[11:36] <kaffeend> where the first / is root?
[11:36] <PurpleMotion> there's a collection i'd happily pay for
[11:36] <abydos> PurpleMotion: Hence, there are definitely torrents:)
[11:36] <PurpleMotion> equex: yeah, but the installer has an option to build a package for your system..
[11:36] <kaffeend> I'm used to start/program files/file.exe
[11:36] <pfp> jasoncohen: bad ram, bad m/b, kernel bugs...
[11:36] <PurpleMotion> but screw that, the installer *works* heh
[11:37] <PurpleMotion> okay, folks.. im gonna go play with my kids
[11:37] <jasoncohen> when gdm starts up it says "no servers are defined in gdm.conf and XDCMP is disabled. this can only be a configuration error"...but i didn't alter the configuration
[11:37] <sorush21> well are you a friend @ uni computer club
[11:37] <equex> ttyl PurpleMotion
[11:38] <PurpleMotion> jasoncohen: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[11:38] <equex> ill let ya know if anything changes :)
[11:38] <Ju1ce> luckily many people before me had had printing problems :)
[11:38] <Ju1ce> long live public forums \o/
[11:38] <equex> if we can get a general solution, it would be worth a wiki entry :|
[11:39] <PurpleMotion> because printer iso's were written by the devil.
[11:39] <PurpleMotion> yeah it would
[11:39] <PurpleMotion> jasoncohen: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[11:39] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, i know- didn't work
[11:39] <PurpleMotion> bummer
[11:39] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, it gives the same error
[11:40] <Ju1ce> in mandrake my printer worked right out of the box, but that distro sucked otherwise :S
[11:40] <PurpleMotion> *shrug* dunno
[11:40] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, things just start breaking after a few days go by. there's filesystem corruption and i don't know what's happening
[11:40] <linlin> has anyone used teamspek on ubuntu? i cant get my microphone to work
[11:40] <PurpleMotion> jasoncohen: ghost int he machine
[11:40] <jasoncohen> each SMART test passes. i ran memtest for 8 hours last weekend
[11:40] <PurpleMotion> ive been running for weeks with no problems
[11:40] <PurpleMotion> oh you've got a fscked hdd
[11:40] <PurpleMotion> that sucks
[11:41] <PurpleMotion> err
[11:41] <PurpleMotion> what about cache
[11:41] <jasoncohen> but why isn't SMART showing anything wrong?
[11:41] <jasoncohen> what about it?
[11:41] <PurpleMotion> have you tested your l1 and l2 system cache?
[11:41] <jasoncohen> no- how do i do that?
[11:41] <PurpleMotion> btfoom
[11:41] <PurpleMotion> i used to have a cd that did all that
[11:42] <kaffeend> so what am I meant to be doing again? is it chmod a+x first?
[11:42] <equex> <izik I am amused that #coders give out tips on how to approach women. What's next? #Microsoft will suggest install Linux to solve a .DLL coillsion? <- :D
[11:42] <sorush21> can I host internet sites form my computer..
[11:42] <sorush21> with my normal internet connection.
[11:42] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, where can i get that CD?
[11:42] <Ju1ce> sorush21: broadband?
[11:42] <sorush21> yes..
[11:42] <Seveas> sorush21, sure you can
[11:43] <Seveas> but not all providers allow it
[11:43] <PurpleMotion> more like Microsoft announces 3 year plan to migrate the Windows OS line to Open Source via the GPL
[11:43] <sorush21> where do I check.. Seveas.. point the way..
[11:43] <Ju1ce> in finland the have to allow it >:)
[11:43] <PurpleMotion> jasoncohen: btfoom
[11:43] <PurpleMotion> that was like 8 years ago :D
[11:43] <Seveas> sorush21, check your contract :)
[11:43] <sorush21> okay..
[11:44] <kaffeend> can anyone else give me a hand with executing this file please?
[11:44] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, btfoom isn't showing anything relevant on google
[11:44] <pfp> Ju1ce: no we don't :/ (elisa adsl)
[11:44] <PurpleMotion> as long as it's a personal server and isn't generating more than 40% of your total outbound bandwidth, roadrunner will allow you
[11:44] <PurpleMotion> jasoncohen: btfoom == beats the fsck out of me
[11:44] <AndieB> It worked!! Thanx a lot guys!
[11:44] <kaffeend> I have the file at: /home/armyops230-linux.run
[11:45] <stimpie> Iam trying to install E17 and added http://ubuntu.nooms.de hoary/ to my sources. Now when I do an 'apt-get update' it says: 'Ign http://ubuntu.nooms.de hoary/ Release.gpg' whats going on?
[11:45] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, also, this isn't affecting windows.
[11:45] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, ah, heh
[11:45] <PurpleMotion> then you dont have to test any hardware you *know* its software based
[11:45] <kaffeend> would just scroll up but I just tried that and it's already gone
[11:45] <PurpleMotion> jasoncohen: and on that note, i have NO clue
[11:45] <PurpleMotion> heh
[11:45] <PurpleMotion> i gtg, guys
[11:45] <jasoncohen> thanks PurpleMotion
[11:45] <PurpleMotion> netime
[11:46] <Ju1ce> pfp: check this out http://ohjelmointiputka.net/keskustelu/aihe.php?tunnus=6161
[11:46] <Ju1ce> elisa can't prevent you doing it, Finland's law says so
[11:46] <abydos> hrm
[11:46] <abydos> gdm doesn't see that e17 is installed, or it won't let me choose it as a session type
[11:47] <Ju1ce> pretty confusing
[11:47] <Stormx> Yo
[11:47] <lampuri> hi everyone
[11:47] <Stormx> Hey lampuri
[11:47] <lampuri> hey Stormx
[11:47] <Stormx> Hey plopp
[11:47] <Stormx> ;-)
[11:47] <salil> can anyone tell me how to write a script to automatically run a bash command after some time interval.. ??
[11:47] <ortox> i neeed HELP! ok. i have ubuntu installed as my primary os and it has the entire partition which is the size of my hard disc drive. Is there any way to split up this partition so i can install another os?
[11:47] <Seveas> salil, run it via cron
[11:48] <Seveas> ortox, boot from a live cd and use gparted to resize it
[11:48] <salil> Seveas: corn..??
[11:48] <ortox> ok. will that wirk?
[11:48] <abydos> is there a way to make gdm see e17 as a session type?
[11:48] <Seveas> salil, cron
[11:48] <ortox> do i have to unmount it first?
[11:48] <ortox> ???
[11:48] <stimpie> abydos, is there a desktop file in /usr/share/xsessions?
[11:48] <Seveas> ortox, yes
[11:49] <ortox> ok. so i unmount and resize?
[11:49] <Seveas> and you can't unmount / so you need to boot from a live cd
[11:49] <abydos> stimpie: no, there is not
[11:49] <ortox> is it eazy?
[11:49] <stimpie> create pme
[11:49] <kaffeend> can anyone tell me how to execute a file at /Home/armyops230-linux.run please?
[11:49] <salil> Seveas: cron: can't lock /var/run/crond.pid, otherpid may be 7494: Resource temporarily unavailable........i get this message
[11:49] <ortox> seveas
[11:49] <salil> Seveas: what does that mean..?
[11:49] <ortox> ok
[11:49] <abydos> stimpie: how descriptive of you. any howtos on that?
[11:49] <lampuri> is using sudo less secure than having a separate root account?
[11:49] <ortox> ill try
[11:49] <Seveas> kaffeend, chmod +x /home/armyops.... and run /home/armyops......
[11:49] <kaffeend> thanks seveas
[11:50] <Stormx> lampuri: you can't get root on ubuntu I don't think >_>
[11:50] <Seveas> salil, type in a terminal man crontab
[11:50] <Seveas> that will explain how cron works
[11:50] <lampuri> you can make a root account Stormx
[11:50] <kaffeend> how do I join the two commands? or do I not?
[11:50] <Seveas> put && in between
[11:50] <Ju1ce> kaffeend: you can use &&
[11:50] <Veon> Anyone know if there is a program that can read .nrg, .ISO files and such?
[11:50] <kaffeend> ok thanks dude
[11:51] <stimpie> any knows what to do when repositories are "ignored"
[11:51] <Seveas> .iso can be mounted bin/cue can be converted to iso with bchunk and then mounted nrg is hopeless unless bchunk can handle them
[11:51] <Seveas> stimpie, ignore it :)
[11:52] <MikeW> Well I reinstalled ubuntu. I didn't get the grub "error 18" this time around, Instead, I now get "Error 17"
[11:52] <stimpie> Seveas, I need to get a few packages from one
[11:52] <Seveas> MikeW, 17 installs to go and you'll be at error 0 ;)
[11:52] <Seveas> MikeW, hang on
[11:52] <kaffeend> Dammit! Just get: chmod +x /home/armyops230-linux.run&&run /home/armyops230-linux.run
[11:52] <kaffeend> chmod: cannot access `/home/armyops230-linux.run': No such file or directory
[11:52] <Seveas> stimpie, repositories ar not ignored, it just sems that way
[11:52] <Goodspeed> how do i copy a file?
[11:52] <salil> Seveas: what are crontab files..??
[11:52] <Goodspeed> cp
[11:53] <Goodspeed> something?
[11:53] <Seveas> kaffeend, try /home/your_username/armyops....
[11:53] <Ju1ce> kaffeend: /home/account_name/army..
[11:53] <Seveas> Goodspeed, cp indeed
[11:53] <Goodspeed> cp filename location where its going?
[11:53] <kaffeend> of coarse!!!! What a n00b!
[11:53] <Goodspeed> so like cp msvcr70.dll /.wine/drive_c/windows/System/
[11:53] <mebaran151> what patchset has been applied to the current Breezy kernel
[11:53] <mebaran151> where might I find that out
[11:54] <Joose^> hi hi
[11:54] <Seveas> MikeW, what partition types have you used on that disk?
[11:54] <Seveas> mebaran151, you can apt-get tehe ubuntu kernel patches
[11:54] <MikeW> Seveas: 1. boot, mount point: /, type resierfs. 2. swap
[11:54] <Joose^> wiich line a should be modificated to grub start with winxp and no ubuntu.. if no key press
[11:55] <Joose^> like default
[11:55] <Seveas> yeah the line starting with default :)
[11:55] <Seveas> MikeW, hmm, no idea then...
[11:55] <Joose^> but i default print me 0
[11:55] <kaffeend> chmod +x /home/me/armyops230-linux.run&&run /home/me/armyops230-linux.run
[11:55] <kaffeend> bash: run: command not found
[11:55] <salil> Seveas: i just need the "poff" command to work after say.. 2 hrs.. how do i do that..??
[11:55] <mebaran151> Seveas, I just need to know the patches
[11:55] <mebaran151> I dont wnat to get them
[11:56] <mebaran151> I want to read them
[11:56] <zAo^> how do I start a DVDmovie from disk?
[11:56] <rapha> Hey, is there a CLI-tool for taking a screenshot? I've heard of "import", but I don't know what package it is in
[11:56] <Seveas> mebaran151, well, unless someone else in here knows, getting them is knowing them....
[11:56] <Seveas> rapha, gnome-screenshot
[11:56] <abydos> stimpie: does the .desktop have to be +x?
[11:56] <blmartin777> I want to install blippo font what package would that be
[11:56] <Joose^> Seveas in default i see 0
[11:57] <mebaran151> Seveas, do they use like the ac or the cko patch sets
[11:57] <rapha> Seveas: Will that work from the command line, without opening an X window?
[11:57] <Seveas> Joose^, change it to 3
[11:57] <Seveas> rapha, it opens an X window
[11:57] <Goodspeed> how do you install steam in wine
[11:57] <kaffeend> and still no wiser in the ways of the lini
[11:57] <Goodspeed> with the activex problem?
[11:57] <Seveas> mebaran151, I don't know, that's why I directed you to them :)
[11:57] <rapha> Seveas: I need one which doesn't
[11:57] <stimpie> abydos, not as fas as I know
[11:57] <Seveas> rapha, look at the imagemagick package
[11:57] <Seveas> it has a command for that afaik
[11:58] <rapha> Seveas: thanks
[11:58] <Joose^> Seveas well, in the grub print me 4 option , 3 ubuntu and another Other system; Windows... it's okay 3 or should be 4?
[11:58] <lui> hello people
[11:58] <mebaran151> Seveas, not on ubuntu at the moment
[11:58] <ortox> how do i run gparted through the live disc?
[11:58] <mebaran151> just wnat to make sure the default kernel is patched to support my heardware
[11:58] <Seveas> mebaran151, packages.ubuntu.com
[11:58] <mebaran151> before I kill it
[11:58] <mebaran151> ah
[11:58] <lampuri> hi lui
[11:58] <mebaran151> cool
[11:58] <mebaran151> neato
[11:58] <Seveas> you can view them on windows too :)
[11:59] <salil> Seveas: when i use crontab .. then it says bad minute.. can't install.. what does that mean.?
[11:59] <ortox> seveas: how do i run gparted on live disc. im on it now
[11:59] <Seveas> salil, it means that you specified your command wrong
[11:59] <abydos> stimpie: I got it running, but all I had was a big whitish-grey screen
[11:59] <kaffeend> should I have started the command with a+x or just +x
[11:59] <Joose^> Seveas well, in the grub print me 4 option , 3 ubuntu and another Other system; Windows... it's okay 3 or should be 4? sorry for the drag
[11:59] <Seveas> ortox, i don't know, never used it - sorry
[11:59] <ortox> seveas: ok
[11:59] <Seveas> Joose^, 3
[11:59] <Seveas> it starts to count with 0 :)
[11:59] <lampuri> later everyone, got to go
[11:59] <lampuri> bye
[11:59] <Joose^> ;) oka thanx
[12:00] <salil> Seveas: this is what i wrote... crontab -u username /usr/bin/poff
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2005-08-09-#ubuntu-devel
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[12:05] <doko> ajmitch: please make sure, that before an import of wx, you call:
[12:06] <mdz> ogra: you forgot to include sdl-image1.2 in the tuxpaint main inclusion report
[12:07] <elmo> ajmitch: did you get the libsdl-sound bug report, btw?
[12:07] <mdz> Riddell: qca-tls has a main inclusion report, but it is neither seeded nor pulled in by a dependency
[12:07] <ogra> mdz, i havent worked on the list yet, i'll update it soon, there is more stuff to add
[12:07] <ajmitch> elmo: which one?
[12:07] <elmo> #1628, IIRC
[12:08] <doko> elmo: if you're still awake, please sync gcc-defaults from unstable (again), and java-gcj-bootstrap (from incoming)
[12:08] <elmo> https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1628
[12:08] <ajmitch> ok, will fix
[12:09] <doko> wow, l-r-m in the build logs ...
[12:09] <niktaris> mdz, do I need to change anyting in initrd.gz or someplace else?
[12:11] <Riddell> mdz: hmm, I'm sure I added it to the seeds. I'll do that now
[12:13] <elmo> doko: meh, done
[12:13] <doko> elmo: thanks :)
[12:21] <Amaranth> holy crap, l-r-m
[12:21] <tseng> Amaranth: huh?
[12:22] <Amaranth> linux-restricted-modules
[12:22] <Amaranth> i don't think it should be trying to build on ia64...
[12:22] <tseng> i dont see it on -changes
[12:23] <ogra> tseng, look harder, its there :)
[12:23] <tseng> oh
[12:24] <tseng> i sitll have a search up
[12:24] <tseng> for sebastian
[12:24] <Amaranth> it built on i386, ppc, and amd64
[12:24] <tseng> which is suprisingly very active :)
[12:24] <tseng> or, not suprising
[12:26] <mdz> niktaris: I'm not sure, since I don't know where your initrd.gz came from
[12:26] <mdz> Riddell: ok, I'll go ahead and move it
[12:27] <mdz> jdub: what's the story with howl?
[12:28] <niktaris> mdz, it's a standard sarge initrd.gz from the netinstall iso
[12:28] <Riddell> mdz: I've added to seed now
[12:32] <mdz> Riddell: are the gnupg2 dependencies coming back, or can gnupg2 move out to universe?
[12:33] <janimonoses> anyone encountered build breakages in the ./configure stage when pkg-config checks fails even if the package providing the .pc file is supposed to be installed according to the log?
[12:33] <janimonoses> see latest xfprint4
[12:34] <janimonoses> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/x/xfprint4/4.2.2-1/xfprint4_4.2.2-1_20050803-1759-i386-failed.gz
[12:35] <mdz> Riddell: likewise for libassuan, pinentry, pcsc-lite and some others which originally came in as kubuntu deps for hoary
[01:00] <Riddell> mdz: depends if we want to support s/mime x.509 stuff in kmail
[01:02] <dholbach> we're having a discussion over packaging standards might somebody join us for an answer everybody can live with afterwards? :)
[01:02] <ogra> could any more experienced packager join the motu meeting for one topc... ?
[01:04] <mdz> Riddell: what changed between hoary and breezy?
[01:04] <jdub> md mdnsresponder is apsl2
[01:05] <Riddell> mdz: as far as I remember amu added depends on kleopatra to kdepim and build-depends on gpgsm for hoary but removed them again before the final hoary
[01:21] <shaya> mdz: you here?
[01:21] <shaya> couldn't parse your unionfs bug
[01:22] <mdz> shaya: yes, I am
[01:22] <mdz> shaya: which part was unclear?
[01:22] <shaya> where it actually oopsed in unionfs code for one
[01:23] <mdz> stand by
[01:24] <mdz> unfortunately I have no way to cut and paste, since it's from a PXE boot of a system with no serial port
[01:24] <mdz> I'll bring up the full trace
[01:24] <shaya> hmm
[01:25] <shaya> it could very well not be oopsing in unionfs code, but that makes it much harder to debug
[01:25] <mdz> shaya: are you saying that the assertion failure is innocuous?
[01:25] <shaya> no
[01:25] <shaya> you didnt post the assertion
[01:26] <shaya> oh
[01:26] <shaya> didnt see that
[01:26] <shaya> woops
[01:26] <niktaris> mdz, talking about unionfs... did you know that fabian franz added unionfs support to casper ?
[01:26] <mdz> the subject was a bit mangled because the mailing list rejected it the first time
[01:26] <mdz> niktaris: no, he never sent me any patches
[01:27] <mdz> I have a half-finished implementation in my working directory here
[01:27] <mdz> shaya: EIP is at unionfs_open+0x3507+0x79d1
[01:27] <niktaris> I can point you to a link if you want
[01:27] <shaya> yes
[01:27] <shaya> I see it now
[01:27] <mdz> I don't know why that doesn't show up in the call trace
[01:27] <shaya> mdz: is this repeatable w/ plain nfs and tmpfs and unionsfs?
[01:27] <shaya> i.e. no pxe
[01:28] <mdz> I'll give it a try
[01:28] <shaya> perhaps just set it up plain and chroot into it?
[01:28] <mdz> yep, going to try that
[01:28] <shaya> makes it easier to reproduce
[01:28] <niktaris> mdz, http://debian.tu-bs.de/knoppix/skolelive/d-i/
[01:29] <niktaris> there is a casper.diff
[01:30] <mdz> niktaris: it doesn't add unionfs support, so much as replace the existing device-mapper code with unionfs code
[01:30] <mdz> my implementation adds it and allows for the method to be selected at runtime
[01:30] <mdz> but I don't think it will make it into breezy
[01:31] <shaya> mdz: unionfs is still a bit rough around the edges to say the least :) I get stuck from time to time trying to solve bugs just to get my research done
[01:32] <niktaris> mdz I tried fabian's capser and it work only the locale didn't seem to go to the system...
[01:32] <mdz> shaya: yes, it's reproducible in a normal setup as well
[01:32] <mdz> shaya: different call trace
[01:32] <mdz> but then, I have no idea what the first call trace looks like in the netboot setup, because I get about 10 in a row
[01:33] <shaya> yea
[01:33] <shaya> mdz: once an assertion is thrown, you are dead
[01:33] <shaya> i.e. I've had it oopse forever on me
[01:33] <shaya> :)
[01:33] <shaya> or at least it seemed like forever until I power cycled the machine to get it to move on
[01:34] <niktaris> mdz, changed the initrd. still no go. var/log/syslog says something about the ext2 module missing
[01:34] <shaya> an assertion basically causes it to oops and it can get caught in a chain
[01:34] <mdz> shaya: 1.0.12a had been fairly solid; I encountered a few bugs but nothing which was a showstopper for me
[01:35] <mdz> this latest one has completely killed ltsp development for me
[01:35] <shaya> so why use .13?
[01:35] <shaya> why not stick w/ .12a?
[01:36] <shaya> mdz: other option might be to binary search the snapshots for where the problem was introduced?
[01:36] <mdz> shaya: because I didn't know that .13 was broken until we upgraded to it
[01:36] <shaya> :(
[01:36] <shaya> can't downgrade?
[01:37] <mdz> we certainly could
[01:37] <shaya> mdz: in regards to ltsp stuff, paper my group http://www.ncl.cs.columbia.edu/publications/mobicom2004_fordist.pdf
[01:37] <mdz> it involves a whole new kernel release
[01:37] <mdz> and fabbione is away
[01:38] <shaya> speaking of which, there's no restricted modules yet
[01:38] <shaya> haven't been able to run new kernel b/c of that
[01:38] <shaya> need my atheros
[01:39] <mdz> shaya: I guess you don't read breezy-changes
[01:39] <shaya> there's no more restricted?
[01:39] <tseng> shaya: mdz is the hero of the day.
[01:39] <shaya> oh there is
[01:39] <shaya> today
[01:39] <mdz> shaya: breezy-changes is a mailing list which notifies you of uploads to breezy
[01:39] <shaya> wow
[01:39] <shaya> mdz: aptitude does a good job of that as well :)
[01:41] <shaya> and the package has hit the archives
[01:41] <shaya> yay
[01:41] <shaya> or not
[01:41] <shaya> weird
[01:42] <shaya> seemed like it pulled restriced's packages.gz for a change
[01:44] <shaya> mdz: what I generally like to do when I hit an assertion like that is printk the upper dentry's d_name.name (and perhaps parent as well) to get an idea of what I'm dealing with
[01:44] <shaya> check if the files been deleted (if it's been unhashed) and some other junk
[01:44] <mdz> shaya: it's only there on powerpc at the moment, due to a bug
[01:45] <shaya> hmph
[01:45] <shaya> and here I was getting my hopes up to reboot today
[01:45] <mdz> I just uploaded a fixed version
[01:46] <shaya> do aspell-bin and aspell-en packages not exist anymore?
[01:46] <shaya> weird that the library was rebuilt but not those packages
[01:51] <dholbach> good night everybody
[01:56] <mdz> shaya: I wonder what it is about my setup which is different; clearly 1.0.13 works for others
[01:56] <mdz> shaya: is it working for you?
[01:56] <shaya> I acutally haven't used it yet
[01:56] <shaya> as in paper mode
[01:56] <shaya> so have a working snapshot that does my needs
[01:56] <shaya> I also use it with GFS
[01:57] <shaya> which brings about its own world of hurt
[01:57] <mdz> it seems to work for me with tmpfs-over-ext3
[01:57] <mdz> so maybe it's nfs-related
[01:57] <shaya> or unionfs not understanding tmpfs semantics
[01:57] <shaya> I mean nfs
[01:57] <shaya> each fs seems to have their own semantics for different funcitons
[01:57] <shaya> such as d_revalidate
[01:58] <shaya> GFS returns a failure if you try to revalidate a deleted dentry
[01:58] <shaya> though every other fs I tried doesn't seem to care
[01:58] <shaya> there's no good documentation that says what the func is supposed to do
[01:59] <shaya> mdz: can you recompile unionfs w/ a small patch?
[02:00] <shaya> just wondering what dentry it's failing on
[02:00] <shaya> printk("dentry %s in %s\n", dentry->d_name.name, dentry->d_parent->d_name.name);
[02:01] <shaya> sticking that right before the assertion
[02:01] <shaya> like 438 in commonfops.c
[02:01] <mdz> yeah, I can try that
[02:01] <shaya> then you can try to do some post portum by looking at the underlying FSs and seeing what's there
[02:02] <shaya> mortum
[02:02] <shaya> anyways, off I go for a bit
[02:03] <mdz> shaya: interesting; it produces some warnings (which are turned into errors) with gcc-4.0
[02:03] <mdz> /home/mdz/src/unionfs-1.0.13/subr.c: In function create_whiteout:
[02:03] <mdz> /home/mdz/src/unionfs-1.0.13/subr.c:51: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 2 of strncat differ in signedness
[02:03] <mdz> /home/mdz/src/unionfs-1.0.13/subr.c: In function unionfs_refresh_hidden_dentry:
[02:03] <mdz> /home/mdz/src/unionfs-1.0.13/subr.c:279: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 1 of lookup_one_len differ in signedness
[02:04] <ogra> mdz, is unionfs separated from the kernel ? i thought it was a module
[02:04] <mdz> ogra: unionfs is a module which is built with the kernel
[02:05] <ogra> mdz, why do you build it with gcc-4.0 then ? the kernel uses 3.4 afaik
[02:06] <mdz> ogra: because gcc-4.0 is the default and I forgot to force it
[02:07] <ogra> ah, i jus had the case yesterday with ndiswrapper on amd64.... :) (we should add amd64 to the target arches for ndiswrapper btw)
[02:09] <Lathiat> who handles the white listing for breezy-changes?
[02:09] <ogra> Lathiat, see the Uploads wikipage
[02:10] <Lathiat> ogra: i did, and i emailed a few days ago and waiting, wondering if i can annoy someone about it
[02:10] <ogra> Lathiat, elmo sits on the other end of this mail adress if it didnt change yet...
[02:10] <Lathiat> i mean it might have been added silently, i assumed i'd get a reply
[02:34] <lexhider> am I meant to report breezy goals via bugzilla or malone?
[02:34] <lexhider> s/goals/bugs
[02:35] <bob2> malone for universe, bugzilla for main
[02:40] <|QuaD-> hmm, my X ALMOST works... it loads the server, just shows jibberish and can't use the keyboard to switch to terminal (though i did change my xorg.config to have kbd)
[02:41] <shaya> I haven't been able to switch to vt terminal for a while
[02:41] <shaya> as well
[02:41] <shaya> so if anyone knows the fix, I'm all ears
[02:42] <|QuaD-> shaya: does gnome/kde work for you?
[02:42] <shaya> yes
[02:42] <lexhider> me neither, I hadn't notice until you just said then.
[02:42] <shaya> everything works besides switching VTs
[02:42] <ogra> shaya, i dont remember it correctly, but something about installing xkeyboard-config and xkbutils
[02:42] <|QuaD-> lexhider: do you have the same problem i do?
[02:43] <ogra> shaya, en_US keyboard ?
[02:43] <shaya> hmm
[02:43] <shaya> how come nothing pulls in xkbutils?
[02:43] <ogra> shaya, lost in transition currently ;)
[02:44] <|QuaD-> how do we restart our xserver (or start it) without startx?
[02:44] <ogra> gdm should work... it does here
[02:45] <bob2> |QuaD-: X
[02:45] <|QuaD-> ogra: it doesn't here.... i might have fixed it, how do i restart X?
[02:45] <|QuaD-> thanks bob2
[02:45] <lexhider> |QuaD-, no, same as shaya, xorg is working for me on breezy
[02:46] <lexhider> |QuaD-, X instead of startx?
[02:46] <lexhider> or sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[02:49] <lexhider> for "System->LogOut->Hibernate" is the "save current setup" option irrelevant???
[02:49] <ogra> it doesnt stop your session
[02:49] <ogra> so i would say its irrelevant
[02:49] <lexhider> ok, will file bug.
[02:50] <lexhider> gee bug reporting is a pain over dialup
[02:50] <bob2> s/bug reporting/& with bugzilla/
[02:52] <lexhider> yes
[02:52] <jdub> with *our* bugzilla
[02:53] <bob2> heh, most places don't have > 1000 products
[02:54] <glyph> What is the policy that Canonical has regarding synchronizing bzr with upstream packages?
[02:56] <Lathiat> the product thing needs to be converted to use ajax :)
[02:57] <bob2> glyph: how do you mean?
[02:57] <glyph> bob2: I mean, I run a few open source projects, several of which Ubuntu synchronizes, and we are attempting to diagnose why one of our SVN repositories has been crashing 3 times a day for the last 2 days
[02:58] <glyph> bob2: one suspect is repository synchronization scripts
[02:58] <bob2> glyph: it's bazaar, not bzr
[02:58] <bob2> and it's not Ubuntu the distro synchronising it :)
[02:58] <bob2> but ok
[02:58] <bob2> try asking in #launchpad
[03:01] <glyph> bob2: thanks
[03:01] <glyph> bob2: the problem here is really that svn's logging is so bad that we can't figure out what's happened locally
[03:02] <bob2> ouch
[03:02] <bob2> it doesn't even log connections?
[03:02] <Lathiat> glyph: firewall the sync server? ;p
[03:07] <lexhider> Currently LeftAlt+Foo does stuff and RightAlt+Foo doesn't. Is this just a breezyXorg is shaky issue or a genuine bug?
[03:17] <jasoncohen> there was a lot of talk on the ubuntu forums about better autopackage support. I just tested installing newest versions of gaim, gaim-vv and inkscape from autopackages and it worked perfectly and all i had to do was double click, enter root passwd (no sudo support that i'm aware of) and let it install. Any clue what these people were talking about?
[03:24] <jasoncohen> anyone know why synaptic shows the ubuntu icon next to backports packages? i would imagine this isnt' expected behavior as the ubuntu icon should only be for officially supported packages in main & restricted
[03:25] <ogra> jasoncohen, file a bug, i think synaptic just isnt adjusted to the new situation yet
[03:25] <jasoncohen> ok
[03:45] <lexhider> daniels: Currently LeftAlt+Foo does stuff and RightAlt+Foo doesn't. Is this just a breezyXorg is shaky issue or a genuine bug?
[03:48] <daniels> lexhider: to some degree, probably a genuine bug. which layout are you using?
[03:49] <OddAbe19> daniels, any idea when xorg 7 beta will enter breezy... and any idea of when glx (glx gears/etc) will enter?
[03:49] <OddAbe19> i've got people wondering on AIM
[03:49] <tseng> glxgears is useless.
[03:49] <Lathiat> tseng: whys that?
[03:49] <OddAbe19> glx in general
[03:49] <OddAbe19> so people can play games/use gl stuff
[03:49] <lexhider> daniels, pc105 setup as dvorak, kb is Microsoft natural
[03:50] <tseng> Lathiat: it has no practical value
[03:50] <OddAbe19> it shows if GLX is working
[03:50] <OddAbe19> anyway
[03:50] <tseng> its in the same class as kde-mr-potato-head
[03:51] <OddAbe19> instead of saying glxgears is useless, what about my release date question
[03:52] <bob2> isn't it a little late to be moving to a new major entirely repackaged version of X?
[03:53] <OddAbe19> we still have 3 months, I have true faith in the X team
[03:53] <OddAbe19> :-)
[03:53] <Lathiat> OddAbe19: err, no
[03:57] <tseng> Lathiat: hm bruce perens is into the Rails scene now
[04:00] <daniels> OddAbe19: a) it's already there for the most part, b) gl support is totally complete. glxgears and glxinfo aren't in because I'm incredibly spiteful.
[04:00] <daniels> OddAbe19: but you can play all the actual GL games you want.
[04:01] <daniels> lexhider: um, dude, you said pc105
[04:01] <daniels> lexhider: pc105 -> right alt used as level3
[04:01] <OddAbe19> cool
[04:01] <OddAbe19> thanks
[04:01] <daniels> lexhider: if you want right alt as alt, use pc104
[04:01] <lexhider> daniels, I'm a bit clueless on this stuff, is that the righ answer.
[04:01] <daniels> lexhider: (and edit /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/us and remove the include(ralt_level3_multikey) line)
[04:01] <daniels> lexhider: yes
[04:02] <lexhider> daniels, ok, is it a bug that pc105 was setup by default instead of pc104? s/pc104/pc105 in xorg.conf?
[04:04] <daniels> lexhider: did you select the 'dvorak' layout?
[04:04] <lexhider> yep
[04:09] <lexhider> daniels, no ralt_level3_multikey in us file.
[04:10] <daniels> include "level3(ralt_switch)"
[04:12] <lexhider> daniels, all 3 instances?
[04:12] <daniels> lexhider: only the one in dvorak
[04:13] <lexhider> ok
[04:14] <lexhider> restarting X back in a minute
[04:20] <lexhider> daniels: did s/pc104/pc105 in xorg.conf and removed that line from /blah/blah/us, on gnome login given error dialog about XKB configuration, and another dialog to choose whether to use X or gnome keyboard settings
[04:22] <daniels> lexhider: did you choose X?
[04:23] <lexhider> daniels: I haven't done either yet
[04:27] <daniels> choose X
[04:28] <lexhider> daniels, ok, RightAlt+Foo still not doing anything.
[04:33] <daniels> lexhider: cool
[04:34] <lexhider> daniels, cool?
[05:07] <Lathiat> mdz: champion
[05:22] <infinity> mdz : Would it be okay to sync devscripts so we can get a debdiff that actually works with the new dpkg-dev?
[05:31] <mdz> infinity: yes
[05:52] <infinity> Hrm, I could be on crack, but I could have sworn I saw a thread on ubuntu-devel a while back about people's X cursors getting messed up. Can't for the life of me find it now, and a freshly upgraded breezy machine is displaying the problem.
[05:53] <infinity> Maybe it was in the channel..
[06:03] <Amaranth> infinity: libxcursor-dev
[06:03] <Amaranth> infinity: install that and cursors work again
[06:03] <shaya> mdz: I found what's causing your bug :)
[06:04] <infinity> Amaranth : <blink>
[06:06] <shaya> unsure how to fix it, but at least found it :)
[06:06] <infinity> Oh, man, that is wrong on so many levels.
[06:06] <Amaranth> infinity: this is called a bug :)
[06:06] <infinity> That means something is loading libXcursor.so?
[06:07] <Amaranth> KILL IT
[06:08] <Amaranth> woo
[06:08] <Amaranth> my panel doesn't crash anymore and it updates correctly
[06:08] <Burgundavia> mine doesn't
[06:08] <Amaranth> latest gamin and gnome-menus?
[06:09] <Burgundavia> yep
[06:09] <Amaranth> have you logged out since upgrading?
[06:09] <Burgundavia> no
[06:09] <Amaranth> when i killed gamin and the panel to get them to reload it started crashing
[06:09] <Amaranth> i rebooted into windows and now back, works perfectly
[06:13] <whiprush> working sweet here also.
[06:39] <Burgundavia> jdub, fridge? is it unplugged?\
[06:42] <daniels> infinity: right, that'd be libX11 being shit
[06:43] <daniels> remind me to look at it when I have more than 3% battery
[07:39] <infinity> daniels : Do you have more than 3% battery now, huh, huh?
[07:41] <sivang> MOrning all
[07:42] <highvolt1ge> morning, sivang
[07:43] <sivang> highvoltage: High Jono, how's the desktop hacks coming?
[07:43] <sivang> s/High/hi
[07:44] <infinity> daniels : Care to lay the smack down on bug 13162, since it's something you feel so strongly about?
[07:44] <sivang> highvoltage: oops, I confused you with someone else I think
[07:46] <infinity> daniels : Oh, nevermind, I'm SO behind the times, you already closed it.
[07:48] <highvoltage> sivang: it depends :)
[07:50] <highvoltage> sivang: i'm doing a bit of stuff for edubuntu, but i think you might have confused me with jonathan riddel?
[07:53] <sivang> highvoltage: Hmm, no, I confused you with someone called Jono Bacon , he's an author
[08:08] <daniels> infinity: no, because I have no idea where my charger is. i already told you this. :P
[08:08] <daniels> infinity: must be in one of the seven or so blue bags, I figure.
[08:09] <Lathiat> ugh gnome-panel is crashign when application files get added
[08:11] <pef> hello
[08:15] <Burgundavia> daniels, would you mind setting the record straight on this thread? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54249
[08:17] <daniels> Burgundavia: the server hasn't been moved over to the modular kit yet, hence no exa. that'll happen sometime this month.
[08:17] <Burgundavia> ok
[08:18] <Burgundavia> thanks
[08:25] <Burgundavia> daniels, the other question that I know will come up on the forums is binary drivers. Will those break with modular?
[08:26] <daniels> Burgundavia: nvidia no, ati yes
[08:26] <Burgundavia> rofl
[08:26] <Burgundavia> ok
[08:26] <daniels> Burgundavia: iirc ati haven't yet released a fglrx that works with the libdl-based loader
[08:26] <daniels> (aka 'dlloader')
[08:27] <Lathiat> bah who cares about ati
[08:28] <daniels> evidently not trolls
[08:28] <Burgundavia> thanks again
[08:28] <Burgundavia> I have informed the forums
[08:28] <daniels> np
[08:52] <Amaranth> So what happens if ATI doesn't release a new driver before october?
[09:01] <m0ns00n> Hello
[09:13] <sivang> does anybody know what's the probability of lossing data when resizing and ext3 partition?
[09:14] <sivang> ogra: is parted stable enough?
[09:15] <Treenaks> sivang: depends on lots of things
[09:16] <Treenaks> sivang: (mountedness at resize-time being one..)
[09:16] <bob2> you should have backups, even if you're not poking your partition table
[09:16] <bob2> so use your fear of resizing asa good excuse to backup now
[09:21] <Lathiat> so.. is it possible to get xine to play mp3s?
[09:22] <sladen> Lathiat: yes
[09:22] <Lathiat> sladen: how?
[09:22] <sladen> xine *.mp3
[09:22] <Lathiat> thanks you were so helpfull
[09:22] <sladen> Lathiat: what are you not seeing working?
[09:22] <Lathiat> sladen: totem-xine doesnt recognise it
[09:23] <Lathiat> i assume it was ripped out
[09:23] <Amaranth> it's a bad mp3 file?
[09:23] <Lathiat> "there is no plugin to handle this movie"
[09:23] <Lathiat> Amaranth: nope, no mp3s will play
[09:23] <Amaranth> err
[09:23] <Amaranth> afaik xine isn't moving to main, i don't think anything got removed from it
[09:23] <Lathiat> hrm
[09:24] <Lathiat> it used to work
[09:24] <Lathiat> i think it just hasnt worked since i reinstaslled
[09:24] <Lathiat> hrm, why does rhythmbxo depend on totem?
[09:25] <Amaranth> afaik it should only depend on the playlist parser
[09:25] <Amaranth> but maybe it uses totem to play things now :P
[09:25] <Lathiat> thats what i thought
[09:25] <Lathiat> Amaranth: ffs, you seein ggnome panel crash everytime the applications directory changes?
[09:25] <Lathiat> everytime i install a package now it dies
[09:25] <Amaranth> Lathiat: i was until i restarted
[09:26] <Lathiat> hrm maybe i need to restart
[09:26] <Amaranth> logging out might work too
[09:26] <Amaranth> as long as gnome-panel and gam_server stop completely it should come back on fine
[09:26] <Lathiat> i usually logout and then drop to a console and pkill -u lathiat
[09:26] <Lathiat> of course, my ctrl+alt+f1 isnt working atm
[09:27] <sladen> [pid 798] open("/usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.0/xineplug_decode_mad.so", O_RDONLY) = 16
[09:27] <Lathiat> anyone else have that problem?
[09:27] <Lathiat> sladen: do you have the problem that it wont play them?
[09:27] <Amaranth> Lathiat: nope, try reinstalling xkbutils and/or xkeyboard-config
[09:27] <sladen> libxine1: /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.0/xineplug_decode_mad.so
[09:28] <sladen> Lathiat: no. They've always ''just worked'' for me.
[09:28] <Lathiat> hrm
[09:28] <Lathiat> i have that file, fo r1.0.1 tho
[09:28] <Lathiat> have i picked up som eevil backport or something somehow
[09:29] <sladen> probably not. Admittedly I'm looking from a Debian install
[09:29] <Lathiat> ah right
[09:29] <Lathiat> thats not goign to help much. :)
[09:29] <Lathiat> Amaranth: hrm, xkbutils isnt installed
[09:45] <pitti> Good morning
[09:47] <siretart> hi pitti. good morning seb128
[09:47] <pitti> Hi seb128
[09:47] <seb128> hey siretart pitti
[09:48] <siretart> fabionne working on holidays? ;)
[09:50] <sivang> hey seb128 , pitti , siretart
[09:50] <siretart> hi sivang
[09:51] <sivang> bob2 : right, I should
[09:51] <Amaranth> seb128: gnome-panel still crash for you?
[09:52] <seb128> yep
[09:52] <seb128> not for you?
[09:52] <Amaranth> nope
[09:52] <Amaranth> after i restarted it all started working perfectly
[09:56] <seb128> weird
[09:56] <seb128> upstream has fixed it anyway
[09:58] <Amaranth> heh, bug #?
[09:58] <Amaranth> i couldn't find it
[10:00] <Amaranth> seb128: btw, what ever happened to bug 310270? you found the problem and proposed a solution, seems to have been ignored
[10:00] <mdke> i have to manually set my wireless channel each time I boot. is this a bug?
[10:03] <bob2> mdke: ipw2?00?
[10:04] <mdke> bob2, the driver is acx_pci
[10:04] <mdke> it doesn't associate unless it set the channel by hand
[10:04] <mdke> it/I
[10:05] <bob2> ah
[10:08] <mdke> i think that is worth a bug report
[10:09] <Lathiat> yeh thats a bug
[10:11] <seb128> Amaranth: federico has some other stuff to do for work atm, but he said he will reply on that but not before thursday
[10:11] <Amaranth> today or next week?
[10:13] <seb128> today
[10:26] <koke> who I have to ask for a mailing list??
[10:26] <Amaranth> jdub?
[10:29] <bob2> your topic doesn't fit any of the existing ones?
[10:31] <koke> ok, thanks
[10:32] <seb128> pitti: any special requirement for python bindings on main stuff? I've put pycairo on the list for main
[10:50] <pitti> seb128: that's mostly trivial stuff anyway
[10:58] <Kmorph> have to bail out. see you guys later!
[11:01] <seb128> pitti: cool, thanks
[11:09] <trygvebw> hihi
[11:11] <Amaranth> seb128: good news, the pyxdg dev is back and we're getting things figured out for a new release
[11:12] <seb128> nice
[11:12] <tepsipakki> how come the "single-user-mode" sets up networking and mounts all that's in fstab?
[11:12] <tepsipakki> seems to be the same in debian, but why...
[11:13] <trygvebw> is there an easy fix for the xkb issue in breezy?
[11:13] <tepsipakki> that's not very su to me..
[11:13] <Amaranth> trygvebw: xkb issue?
[11:14] <Amaranth> trygvebw: you scared daniels away
[11:14] <trygvebw> :p
[11:14] <Amaranth> either that or he hit Ctrl-W again
[11:14] <trygvebw> Amaranth: xkb wont work correctly when i start X, no ae's or oe's etc :p
[11:14] <trygvebw> :p
[11:14] <tepsipakki> install xkbutils
[11:14] <Amaranth> make sure xkbutils and xkeyboard-config are installed
[11:14] <Amaranth> if they are, reinstall them
[11:14] <trygvebw> i'm pretty sure they're already installed
[11:14] <trygvebw> if not a dist-upgrade might've uninstalled them :p
[11:14] <trygvebw> *checking*
[11:14] <tepsipakki> i'm pretty sure they aren't ;)
[11:15] <tepsipakki> nothing depends on them
[11:15] <trygvebw> you were right :p
[11:15] <trygvebw> thanks :)
[11:27] <tortoise_> is an upgrade to breezy safe now??
[11:29] <ogra> checking for python module gnome.canvas... no
[11:29] <ogra> configure: error: *** pygtk installed but not visible from python
[11:30] <ogra> GAH !
[11:30] <ogra> seb128, ^^^ did they rmove it completely now ??
[11:30] <ogra> remove even
[11:32] <ogra> jamesh, ping ?
[11:33] <seb128> python2.4-gnome2: /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gnomecanvas.so
[11:33] <seb128> you want this maybe?
[11:34] <ogra> gar gar gar....
[11:34] <ogra> seb128, can you imagine in how many places i have to fix that in 43MB gcompris source ?
[11:34] <ogra> *sigh* (deeply)
[11:34] <seb128> what?
[11:34] <ogra> gnome.canvas
[11:35] <seb128> >>> import gnome.canvas
[11:35] <seb128> __main__:1: DeprecationWarning: Module gnome.canvas is deprecated; please import gnomecanvas instead
[11:35] <seb128> >>>
[11:35] <ogra> changing to gnomecanvas
[11:35] <seb128> but it works
[11:35] <seb128> install python2.4-gnome2
[11:35] <seb128> no need to change anything
[11:35] <ogra> python-gnome2-dev is a dependency...
[11:35] <seb128> and changing "gnome.canvas" by "gnomecanvas" is not a big deal anyway
[11:35] <ogra> so it should work
[11:36] <seb128> read the config.log
[11:36] <seb128> what package is that?
[11:36] <ogra> yep
[11:36] <ogra> gcompris *shudder*
[11:37] <ogra> the current source doesnt build on gcc-4.0 systems... i'm patching cvs on top of it...its very ugly...but complies
[11:37] <ogra> compiles too
[11:38] <seb128> what does the config.log says?
[11:38] <seb128> I'll download that later if required
[11:38] <ogra> i'll have to build again, my pbuilder doesnt leave a config.log
[11:39] <ogra> seb128, nope, its ok, i'll fix it, thanks for the tip... i was just worried gnomecanvas dissapeared completely in favor of cairo
[11:40] <seb128> nop
[11:40] <seb128> and deprecated stuff are not trashed anyway
[11:42] <ogra> oki... nice to know :)
[11:43] <trygvebw> :/
[11:45] <trygvebw> i installed all xkb packages, but i still recieve that startup error :(
[11:46] <Amaranth> trygvebw: System->Preferences->Keyboard, layout tab, reset to defaults
[11:47] <trygvebw> ill try
[11:50] <trygvebw> okay
[11:50] <trygvebw> us layout works, but when i change i get that xkb message again and the keyboard layout settings program crashes :(
[11:51] <trygvebw> with this in the console:
[11:51] <trygvebw> ** (gnome-keyboard-properties:7035): CRITICAL **: XkbGetKeyboard failed to get keyboard from the server!
[11:55] <Kamion> s/read/head/
[11:55] <trygvebw> heh
[11:56] <trygvebw> and in addition, xorgconfig is *gone*
[11:56] <pitti> elmo: centericq sync, please
[11:58] <mvo> seb128: thanks for fixing #6088 (gaim)
[11:58] <mvo> s/gaim/gamin/
[11:59] <trygvebw> wtf
[11:59] <seb128> I'm not the one which fixed it, I've just updated the package, but thanks :)
[11:59] <trygvebw> there is no /etc/X11/xkb/symbols on my system :O
[12:00] <trygvebw> what is the name of the most important xkb packages?
[12:01] <tepsipakki> install xkeyboard-config
[12:01] <tepsipakki> as advised
[12:01] <trygvebw> yah
[12:01] <trygvebw> it was installed already
[12:01] <tepsipakki> reinstall it
[12:01] <trygvebw> ive written my new problem above
[12:02] <trygvebw> oh wait
[12:02] <trygvebw> moment
[12:02] <trygvebw> trying to relog
[12:10] <trygvebw> hm
[12:10] <trygvebw> i still get that message on gnome-start, and keyboard settings still crash :(
[12:11] <trygvebw> this is after reinstall xkeyboard-config
[12:13] <trygvebw> *reinstalling
[12:17] <trygvebw> okay, x works now :D
[12:18] <trygvebw> had to reinstall xlibs, xbase-clients, xkbutils and xkeyboard-config
[12:24] <pitti> elmo: wordpress sync, please
[12:34] <janimo> elmo please sync the xfce4 package (a meta), dropping ubuntu changes, thanks
[12:35] <elmo> pitti / janimo: done
[12:43] <tseng> whiprush: dude, wouldnt it make more sense to do at least half the rhythmbox/itunes howl stuff with gnomevfs?
[12:44] <Riddell> elmo: could you sync qt4-x11 from debian (or should I ask permission for new packages first?)
[12:44] <tseng> Riddell: new universe is ok for now
[12:45] <Riddell> ok, please sync elmo
[12:50] <Mez> lamont/infinity: ping
[12:54] <\sh> elmo: ping do u have any new informations about the linodeservers?
[01:14] <seb128> pitti: what's going on with languages packs?
[01:15] <carlos> seb128, near there
[01:15] <seb128> carlos: what do you mean?
[01:15] <pitti> seb128: the last hoary tarball was unusable, so I still have no data; yesterday I asked mdz for a talk about the final structure decision
[01:15] <carlos> seb128, Breezy import should be finished today or tomorrow, we restarted the process yesterday
[01:15] <seb128> k
[01:16] <carlos> and I hope the issues martin raised will be fixed also this week
[01:16] <seb128> pitti: grumpf ... I understand that's not an easy situation, but translators, users, etc expect getting to get translations updates now
[01:16] <seb128> pitti: not easy to catch up on what do do when you have no idea of what is not translated and what is due to language-packs
[01:17] <seb128> k, so this week guys?
[01:17] <pitti> I'll just go with the split approach if no miracle happens by tomorrow
[01:18] <seb128> thanks
[01:19] <Mez> why was libexif deleted?
[01:20] <seb128> Mez: soname change
[01:23] <Mez> ah fair enough :D
[01:23] <Mez> whats the new name?
[01:26] <seb128> Mez: apt-cache search libexif?
[01:26] <seb128> it's libexif12
[01:31] <ogra> seb128, still no luck for me with gcompris... its quite strange, configure runs fine on my system, but breaks in the pbuilder... i've put up the config.log here: http://www.grawert.net/gcompris_config.log
[01:32] <ogra> seb128, and this is my Dep line: Build-Depends: libgnomeui-dev (>= 2.6.1.1-4), debhelper (>= 4.2.3), libxml2-dev, libao-dev, libvorbis-dev (>= 1.0.0-2), gnuchess, texinfo, texi2html, dh-buildinfo, libassetml-dev (>= 1.1-2), python2.4-dev, python-gtk2-dev, python-gnome2-dev, libsdl-mixer1.2-dev, libxml-parser-perl, libxrandr-dev
[01:32] <ogra> seb128, could you have a look why it doesnt find gnomecanvas ?
[01:37] <seb128> ogra: and if you hack the configure to change gnome.canvas by gnomecanvas?
[01:37] <ogra> didnt work
[01:38] <ogra> its very strange...
[01:38] <jdthood> For ALSA purposes we want to add a second .asoundrc file. We have thought of calling it either '.asoundrc.foo' or '.foo.asoundrc'. Can anyone think of a reason to prefer one or the other?
[01:38] <ogra> it works with gnome.canvas locally
[01:38] <ogra> (i.e. not in the pbuilder)
[01:38] <jdthood> ... or does anyone have a better suggestion?
[01:39] <jdub> jdthood: easier to find if it's .asoundrc* ?
[01:41] <sabdfl> jdub: congrats dude!
[01:42] <ogra> oh, yes... jdub when do you open a church now ? :)
[01:42] <jdthood> jdub: Is that a lot easier than .*.asoundrc? ;)
[01:43] <jdthood> jdub: I am mainly wondering whether or not there is a precedent already set by some other program that has multiple .*rc files.
[01:43] <ogra> jdthood, .asoundrc* finds you both files, .*.asoundrc doesnt
[01:44] <jdthood> ogra: Ah, true
[01:44] <jdthood> I should have said '.*asoundrc'
[01:44] <ogra> :)
[01:52] <lifeless> dark: is x unfucked yet ?
[01:52] <lifeless> bah
[01:52] <lifeless> ... is x unfucked yet ?
[01:52] <tseng> dont ask daniel
[01:52] <tseng> he's been claiming its been unfucked for weeks.
[01:53] <Treenaks> well, it's unfuckedish for me
[01:53] <ogra> did xfce already build ?
[01:53] <Treenaks> so he could be right, as I mess with my config manually
[01:53] <tseng> ogra: thats just a meta package
[01:54] <ogra> tseng, yes, but a look at the buildlogs says its fine... try it :)
[01:54] <tseng> boo, kernel update
[01:54] <ogra> and l-r-m update :)
[01:54] <tseng> hm no abi break
[01:54] <Treenaks> l-r-m update?
[01:54] <tseng> ogra: is lrm built?
[01:55] <Treenaks> tseng: yes, it built.. but I think it's NEW
[01:55] <tseng> oh, right
[01:55] <ogra> yes, but for the last version... it needs a rebuild for the new one i guess
[01:55] <ogra> there was a linux-meta update afterwards
[01:55] <Treenaks> 2.6.12-6 -- more ABI breakage?
[01:56] <tseng> -6 is not an abi bump, dude.
[01:56] <ogra> err, s/linux-meta/linux-source
[01:56] <Treenaks> tseng: hm..
[01:56] <tseng> that would be -7
[01:57] <Treenaks> I thought it used to be -5
[01:57] <tseng> 5 was on 28 Jul
[02:01] <janimo> tseng/ogra xfce is in the process of becoming installable :)
[02:01] <tseng> janimo: :)
[02:01] <tseng> ive been waiting a long time to play with the new 4.2 stuff
[02:01] <tseng> *shiny*
[02:01] <janimo> tseng, but that stuff was in hoary did you know?
[02:02] <janimo> 4.2.1.1
[02:02] <tseng> i havent had hoary in months
[02:02] <janimo> I am on breezy too but I didn't update to broken xfce4 so I still run the hoary packages
[02:02] <tseng> heh
[02:03] <janimo> only the past days did I have time fro ubuntu, but I will have even more shortly ;)
[02:04] <tseng> great.
[02:05] <jdub> sabdfl: thanks!
[02:05] <jdub> ogra: haha
[02:05] <ogra> :)
[02:06] <janimo> anybody got the power to force a rebuild of some packages w/o upload?I see lamont is away
[02:07] <janimo> or what is the interval failed builds are retried
[02:07] <ajmitch> hi all
[02:07] <janimo> hi ajmitch
[02:07] <ajmitch> mpt: .br now?
[02:09] <mpt> ajmitch: For the past 2.5 weeks and the next few months, yes
[02:10] <ajmitch> mpt: well it'll be a welcome change from nelson for awhile :)
[02:11] <ogra> mpt, months ?
[02:20] <mvo> seb128: is there a known problem with gtk2.7 and the treeview? I get some odd stuff here with a pygtk custom treemodel
[02:22] <seb128> nop
[02:22] <seb128> what "odd stuff"?
[02:22] <mvo> seb128: columns without content, I'm debugging it right now, maybe my treemodel code
[02:23] <seb128> k
[02:28] <ogra> eeek
[02:28] <ogra> tar: gcompris-7.0.0PRE1/boards/music/background/Brahms__Johannes_-_String_Quartet_C_minor__Op_51_mvmt_4.ogg: file name is too long (max 99); not dumped
[02:28] <Mez> hmmles
[02:29] <Mez> if theres a buildlog saying something built successfully
[02:29] <Mez> then it shouldnt show up as still building in the lists ... should it?
[02:35] <mvo> seb128: here is what it looks like, can't reproduce it on hoary http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/bad-treeview.png
[02:36] <seb128> mvo: the empty lines?
[02:37] <mvo> seb128: yes. happens after I call row_inserted() in pygtk it seems
[02:37] <herve> hmm... I had a selection list out its box in firefox
[02:37] <herve> but this could have been a gecko bug
[02:39] <Mez> any news on the GTK bug tht makes all the fonts look massive
[02:44] <seb128> Mez: there is no such bug known
[02:44] <seb128> mvo: do you have a small example for this ubg?
[02:46] <Mez> seb128, I'mn in breezy, and well, my FF fonts are massive compared to what they were in hoary/what they are in konqueror
[02:46] <Mez> I'm not too sure if it's only in FF...
[02:46] <Mez> but in FF it's not just stuff rendered by GTK
[02:46] <Mez> by FF *
[02:46] <Mez> It's like, buttons and menus and stuff
[02:47] <Mez> I share the same home drive between hoary and breezy and it looks different on breezy
[02:47] <winkle> maybe the autohinter is turned on?
[02:48] <Mez> autohinter?
[02:48] <ajmitch> Mez: I had large fonts, but that problem seems to have gone away recently
[02:48] <ajmitch> fonts appeared to be out by about 2 pt
[02:49] <Mez> ajmitch, tha'ts about right yeah
[02:49] <herve> Mez, I saw Mozilla with like 72pt menu bar a few times
[02:49] <Mez> I've still got the problem like
[02:49] <Mez> hmm
[02:49] <Mez> one sec
[02:50] <mvo> seb128: I figured it out. its a gtk problem that is triggered when I set "fixed_height" mode
[02:51] <mvo> seb128: it's not strictly a gtk bug, but seting fixed_height too early result in this funny screen
[02:51] <seb128> k
[02:51] <seb128> ajmitch: dpi setting was not used by pango/cairo before cairo 0.6
[02:52] <Mez> http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~mez/screenies/bug.png
[02:52] <ajmitch> seb128: which is probably why it disappeared after only a couple of days
[02:52] <Mez> thats a screeny of my problem (comparison between FF and Konq
[02:53] <tseng> Mez: is that really a "bug"?
[02:53] <Mez> tseng: yes...
[02:53] <lamont-away> janimo: which package?
[02:53] <Mez> tseng: It's showing everything BIGGER than it should be
[02:53] <Mez> all my settings are the same
[02:53] <Mez> btu FF is showing it bigger (And all the internal fonts)
[02:54] <Mez> It's a real pain in the ass.. and looks f**king ugly, and make my browsing prettry unbearable
[02:55] <Mez> + it throws off the layout of MANy webpages
[02:56] <Mez> It extends to like, menus aswell
[02:56] <seb128> does it happen under GNOME ?
[02:56] <seb128> or is a that kubuntu specific?
[02:56] <Mez> seb128: gnome wouldnt install for me in breezy, so I havent been able to try yet
[02:57] <ajmitch> Mez: you haven't backported gtk+ recently have you?
[02:57] <Mez> ajmitch, this is in breezy
[02:57] <Mez> theres no backports for breezy
[02:58] <ajmitch> ok..
[02:58] <Riddell> Mez: try starting your session using gdm
[02:59] <Riddell> it's because kdm tries to ask the monitor for pixels per inch while gdm just sets it to a fixed value
[03:00] <Mez> Riddell, I prefer gdm over kdm and FF iss etup to use the system setting for dpi
[03:01] <Mez> I changed it to use /96dpi and now the font looks right in webpages but not in the application itself
[03:02] <janimo> lamont-away, xfce4-session xfce4-utils
[03:04] <seb128> lamont-away, infinity: could you push libgphoto2 gthumb eog gimp nautilus builds, they need a retry now than libexif12 is to main
[03:10] <lamont-away> seb128/janimo: done
[03:10] <lamont-away> well..
[03:10] <lamont-away> seb128: I need to look at gimp in a bit - I didn't have any logfile for the trivial give-back
[03:11] <lamont-away> janimo: xfce4-* given-back
[03:11] <janimo> lamont-away, thanks, what does given back mean is it a problem?
[03:12] <tseng> janimo: it means he is building it again.
[03:12] <tseng> given back to the buildd
[03:12] <lamont-away> janimo: when a build fails for any reason, the buildd is done with it until told otherwise.
[03:12] <lamont-away> certain failures are automatically dealt with, others require infinity/me to deal with them.
[03:12] <janimo> ok I was afraid it was given back to me :)
[03:13] <lamont-away> janimo: nah - if i was giving it back to you, I'd give you (admittedly pretty terse) reason why it was FTBFS (and would remain so until you re-uploaded)
[03:13] <janimo> lamont-away is the distinction described somewhere or is it just secret ancient unwritten foo ?
[03:13] <seb128> lamont-away: thanks
[03:14] <lamont-away> build-depends that are missing are automated. If something you build-depend on is uninstallable because it, in turn, depends on something that is uninstallable, that case isn't automated.
[03:14] <martinhj> seb128: seen mjg59 latly? I have runned some tests on my computer which he was interested in.. now I haven't seen him active here for many days
[03:14] <lamont-away> likewise, genuine errors in the compilation are manual, since they are likely to be, well, source-change-requiring
[03:14] <seb128> martinhj: nop
[03:14] <janimo> lamont-away, thanks for the info
[03:16] <lamont-away> np. that's still way-incomplete, but is a pretty high-level overview
[03:17] <lamont-away> and on that note, /me -> work
[03:18] <tseng> have a good one, lamont-away
[03:22] <janimo> elmo please sync xffm4, thanks
[03:22] <Mez> Riddell, still same with gdm
[04:00] <tseng> mdke: ubuntu-doc is up. linode rebooted me
[04:00] <tseng> mdke: beta system as i said
[04:04] <martinhj> does Ubuntu apply any more patches than those in linux-patches-ubuntu-x.x.x?
[04:29] <Mez> elmo/mdz: ping
[04:29] <bob2> Mez: oi
[04:29] <Mez> oi?
[04:29] <bob2> Mez: python-xdg in some "backports" repository is broken
[04:29] <janimo> elmo, please sync unison, unison-gtk (gtk2 at last)
[04:30] <bob2> and makes gnome-app-installer crash
[04:30] <Mez> bob2: whats the source package?
[04:31] <bob2> ...presuambly python-xdg
[04:31] <mako> Treenaks: that's so funny about the suse starting to send free cds
[04:31] <bob2> Amaranth: fill Mez in on details, kthx
[04:31] <Mez> pyxdg
[04:31] <Mez> bob2 - it's in the unofficial it seems :D
[04:31] <mako> clearly, they're trying to compete with ubuntu
[04:31] <bob2> ah, indeed, my apologies
[04:31] <Mez> I'll have a look I need to doa svn update
[04:31] <mako> the problem with that idea, of course, is that they'll be sending suse cds
[04:32] <bob2> thanks
[04:32] <mako> that's basically like sending hate mail
[04:32] <mako> well, not that bad.. but still ;)
[04:33] <Mez> wb lamont
[04:34] <jordi> mako: heh
[04:38] <philiKON> doko, ayt?
[04:39] <bob2> he's been idle 14 hours, tho
[04:42] <bddebian> Hello
[04:42] <pitti> philiKON: he is away until tomorrow afternoon (ca 1400 UTC)
[04:42] <philiKON> ic
[04:42] <philiKON> thanks
[05:24] <Kamion> lamont: (moving from #debian-devel) yeah, that's fine, build a new daily if you like
[05:25] <Kamion> WOOHOO, base-config progress bar AND a passthrough question
[05:26] <lamont> Kamion: well, neither mckinley kernel is booting on my mckinley.... so I'm gonna install an itanium kernel, and if that fails, then I'm gonna be mad
[05:26] <Kamion> with a fairly seriously hacked-up debconf, but there you go ...
[05:26] <tseng> Kamion: :)
[05:26] <ogra> seb128, ping
[05:27] <seb128> pong
[05:27] <seb128> Amaranth: around?
[05:27] <ogra> seb128, the dependency line from python-gnome2-dev seems strange: Depends: python (<< 2.5), python (>= 2.4)
[05:27] <ogra> shouldnt there be python-gnome2 in ?
[05:28] <seb128> yeah, probably
[05:28] <ogra> phew... and i was starting to go crazy with the gcompris error...
[05:29] <ogra> seb128, thanks :)
[05:57] <JaneW> Please note that there will be a special BreezyGoals update meeting tomorrow: ** 19:00 UTC on Friday 5 August 2005 in #ubuntu-meeting **
[05:58] <seb128> grumpf, what a nice day/time for a work meeting :p
[05:58] <pitti> argh
[05:58] <seb128> friday evening
[05:59] <seb128> pitti: oh, you too :)
[06:00] <mvo> JaneW: I may not be able to make it at that time (but I'll try)
[06:00] <pitti> JaneW: we know that we slack with the goals, but isn't that punishment a bit too harsh? :-)
[06:01] <JaneW> pitti: I agree, can you suggest another time tomorrow when Matt's up?
[06:01] <seb128> maybe if we all update the wiki now they will move it? :)
[06:01] <JaneW> 16:00?
[06:01] <JaneW> seb128: :P
[06:01] <seb128> 16:00 would be nicer imho
[06:01] <pitti> JaneW: we should ask mdz himself; if necessary, I'm available at 1900, too
[06:02] <Kamion> sorry, can't make 19:00 on Friday
[06:02] <JaneW> he said he's happy with 19:00
[06:02] <JaneW> Kamion: 16:00?
[06:02] <mvo> JaneW: slightly better but I'll only have 1h then. I'll travel from 17:00UTC-20:00UTC :/
[06:03] <JaneW> 15:00?
[06:03] <Kamion> 16:00 works as long as it's relatively short; I have to leave no later than 17:15
[06:03] <Kamion> I have a meeting at 17:30 with the priest who's marrying us
[06:04] <Kamion> perhaps a bit more notice could be given of whole-team meetings so that we have time to find a suitable time
[06:05] <JaneW> yes time would be nice, but we are just deciding to do this now...
[06:05] <JaneW> ok 15:00 or 16:00 we'll go with the consensus...
[06:06] <Kamion> any chance of using e-mail rather than IRC for this?
[06:06] <JaneW> ok 15?
[06:06] <JaneW> Kamion: for you maybe, but I have tried e-mail with very limited success ...
[06:07] <Kamion> many people avoid paying attention to IRC when concentrating on work, and those that do pay attention may well be asleep
[06:07] <Kamion> with e-mail, people at least have a chance to object; if they don't object, then silence implies consent
[06:08] <Kamion> but silence-implies-consent is pretty harsh for stuff decided on IRC
[06:08] <JaneW> oic, I thought you wants the meeting via e-mail
[06:08] <Kamion> oh no, clearly not
[06:08] <Kamion> for deciding a time, I mean
[06:08] <JaneW> sure I am about the send an e-mail off, I was just feeling the waters first
[06:09] <Kamion> ok, good
[06:09] <seb128> pitti: around?
[06:09] <pitti> yes :-)
[06:09] <seb128> pitti: are you busy?
[06:09] <pitti> seb128: no, I just finished my third cocktail and wonder what to do :-)
[06:10] <pitti> seb128: not more busy than usual, dealing with neverending security holes
[06:10] <seb128> pitti: is pycairo something easy to review for you? I would like to push pygtk/cairo this week
[06:10] <pitti> seb128: I'm sure that's trivial; I also need to finish the libnotify review
[06:11] <JaneW> Please note that there will be a special BreezyGoals update meeting tomorrow: ** 15:00 UTC on Friday 5 August 2005 in #ubuntu-meeting **
[06:11] <seb128> k, so if you can push that somewhere on your planning for today/tomorrow that would be nice
[06:11] <seb128> JaneW: thanks :)
[06:11] <pitti> seb128: btw, did you see the page? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportLibnotify
[06:11] <seb128> pitti: yeah, I've pointed it to upstream this morning, he said he wish he had a ppc to debug the hang issue
[06:11] <pitti> seb128: did you test the package already? does it work?
[06:11] <pitti> seb128: no worries, I'll look into it
[06:11] <pitti> seb128: the package = pycairo
[06:11] <JaneW> seb128: glad to see you smiling.
[06:12] <pitti> JaneW: thanks, 1500 is much more human on weekends :-) this is pending confirmation from mdz?
[06:12] <seb128> pitti: pycairo? the package example works fine and pygtk 2.7.2 build happily with it
[06:13] <pitti> seb128: ok, sounds good :-) then it's just a little bureaucrazy, I do it now
[06:13] <JaneW> pitti: mdz doesn;t love the time, but said he'll conceed because it's short notice and friday :)
[06:13] <JaneW> we'll most likely be holding these meeting weekly now, most probably on a Thursday (possibly 20:00UTC)
[06:14] <tseng> weekly..?
[06:15] <tseng> does this involve all goals?
[06:15] <ogra> tseng, indeed
[06:16] <pitti> seb128: odd, a DD created the package and the changelog starts last year, so why isn't it in Debian?
[06:16] <JaneW> yes
[06:17] <dholbach> hellas!
[06:17] <pitti> Hi dholbach
[06:17] <dholbach> martin! how are you?
[06:17] <pitti> fine, and you? how's the thesis?
[06:18] <seb128> pitti: cairo API still moving, not really, useful, etc et was waiting
[06:18] <seb128> pitti: he has sent an ITP some days ago and will upload the package to Debians oon
[06:18] <dholbach> pitti: coming on fine, today i feel much more confident :)
[06:19] <dholbach> sb! :)
[06:21] <seb128> pitti: the same maintainer as cairo/glitz, he maintains his packages here: http://cairographics.org/packages/debian/unstable/
[06:21] <seb128> dholbach: hey
[06:21] <Kamion> 20:00 UTC on Thursday? suck
[06:51] <jasoncohen> pitti, does CAN-2005-0806 apply to hoary's evolution? The CVE says it applies to 2.0.3 but it shows in http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/ubuntu-cve/unfixed.html
[06:52] <pitti> jasoncohen: probably not, but I didn't check
[06:52] <pitti> jasoncohen: that's one of those "it's just a plain bug" things that have very low priority in my todo list
[06:58] <jasoncohen> pitti, i was wondering why ubuntu doesn't have something like fedora where security issues are marked by severity so users have an idea how important it is to upgrade
[06:59] <pitti> jasoncohen: well, I explain it using standard terms like "local/remote attacker" and "Denial of Service"/"Arbitrary code execution"
[07:00] <pitti> jasoncohen: that are objective terms, as opposed to my gut feeling what's important and what not
[07:00] <pitti> jasoncohen: the importance depends on which software the user actually needs and for what...
[07:00] <pitti> jasoncohen: do you really think it would make a big benefit?
[07:00] <pitti> jasoncohen: and if so, which criteria we should use for classification?
[07:01] <jasoncohen> pitti, well- i asked only because i often get the sense users don't install security updates in a timely fashion because they don't understand their importance
[07:01] <pitti> jasoncohen: but debian/ubuntu makes it so easy...
[07:02] <HiddenWolf> pitti: ask yourself if any new novice would know / notice update-manager
[07:02] <jasoncohen> pitti, for example users will clamor for the latest security updates on firefox but other system packages they'll leave unpatched as they don't understand the description of the security flaw. If there was something that said "critical" or "very imortant", users might be more likely to update
[07:03] <pitti> jasoncohen: ok, so let's just take today's apache upgrade - how would you rate it?
[07:03] <jasoncohen> pitti, i also think there should be something to identify update-manger for a new user- perhaps a popup that says "Security updates are available" with an option to close the popup...sounds too much like windows- but new users don't upgrade. i see it all the time
[07:03] <pitti> jasoncohen: a few percent of the users actually use apache as proxy, for them it is critical if they server a net, or irrelevant if they just use it for themselves
[07:04] <pitti> jasoncohen: users ignoring u-m? that's an interesting thing, I didn't think about that yet
[07:04] <Kamion> users don't upgrade Windows either though ...
[07:04] <jasoncohen> well, i'm not that worried about apache...one would hope that a server user would be a little more knowledgeable
[07:04] <jasoncohen> Kamion, more do because it annoys you if you don't :)
[07:04] <pitti> well, mvo could use libnotify if security updates are available
[07:04] <Kamion> it took me six months to train my parents to install updates rather than ignoring them
[07:04] <HiddenWolf> pitti, jasoncohen: thos windows poups are noticable, and they work well.
[07:04] <jasoncohen> HiddenWolf, i agree- i think we need them
[07:05] <pitti> HiddenWolf: like libnotify`
[07:05] <pitti> ?
[07:05] <jasoncohen> the red circle isn't an obvious enough descriptor
[07:06] <HiddenWolf> pitti: not familiar with it. They give you a little comic-style text-baloon coming out of the notification area, from the application that requests user intervention. They grab attention, and direct it to the icon responsible - will dissapear either after action is taken or after a little while (configurable)
[07:06] <HiddenWolf> pitti: that's how winxp does it ^
[07:06] <jasoncohen> can we do something like that?
[07:07] <jasoncohen> i actually think the same thing should be done when you insert a new hardware device- "something like HP 750xi printer detected. Click here to configure your printer". That actually was discussed as a breezy goal
[07:08] <jasoncohen> pitti, honestly, i think *most* new users ignore the update manager or don't know about it
[07:08] <pitti> jasoncohen: that bubble is what I currently do for new sound cards
[07:08] <HiddenWolf> I especially like it that the notification comes out of the icon responsible for it. That connects the warning to an icon, so later on, if you see the icon, you'll know it's updates waiting for you.
[07:08] <jasoncohen> they dont' know there are updates since the only "message" is the red circle
[07:09] <pitti> ok, I talk to mvo to add libnotify support
[07:09] <jasoncohen> pitti, also, is there any way to limit update-manager to security updates?
[07:09] <HiddenWolf> jasoncohen: stick to stable. ;)
[07:09] <pitti> jasoncohen: for stable releases there will be only scurity updates anyway
[07:09] <jasoncohen> perhaps security/bugfix updates. backports users might not want to upgrade through update-notifier
[07:10] <jasoncohen> they also might be less likely to update if they see updates every few days
[07:10] <Kamion> actually that's not true, base-config includes hoary-updates in sources.list by default as well as hoary-security
[07:10] <Kamion> but we generally want people to take updates from hoary-updates by default
[07:10] <jasoncohen> pitti, by default a user will receive updates from hoary-security and hoary-updates. but now that backports is official, we must recognize its presence
[07:11] <jasoncohen> it would be very easy to do
[07:11] <HiddenWolf> unfortunatly he has a piont. :P
[07:11] <Kamion> backports / development release users might well want to upgrade through update-notifier (especially once it / something similar learns to dist-upgrade), but they probably won't want to be nagged about it by popup windows
[07:11] <HiddenWolf> Kamion: notifications should be configurable of course.
[07:12] <Kamion> sensible defaults > configuration
[07:12] <jasoncohen> just have a choice for "View Security & Bug Fix Updates Only" and then if the user enables that have it read from /etc/apt/sources.list.security which only needs to have hoary-security and hoary-updates
[07:12] <HiddenWolf> Kamion: true, but you'll bug the hell out of people using development versions if you default it to 'stable' settings.
[07:13] <jasoncohen> Kamion, or- if libnotify were intelligent, it could only create a popup IF the update was from hoary-security or hoary-updates
[07:13] <HiddenWolf> While we're at it, in ~6 months time, will *something* popup a notice that warty is obsolete?
[07:14] <jasoncohen> Kamion, update-manager will be able to do a dist-upgrade and there will be a simple distribution upgrade path- the user will be notified a new version exists and they'll be able to upgrade without any configuration changes through update-manger
[07:15] <Kamion> HiddenWolf: obviously - perhaps you are mistaking what I think "sensible defaults" would be
[07:15] <Kamion> jasoncohen: hasn't been done yet though
[07:15] <jasoncohen> cron-apt works the same way- you can use an altnerative sources.list for security updates only
[07:15] <jasoncohen> Kamion, it's a breezygoal...i'm hoping very much that it gets done
[07:15] <Kamion> breezy goal doesn't imply gets done, unfortunately
[07:16] <Kamion> let's hope so, but still
[07:16] <jasoncohen> well- what's nice for new users is that http://niran.org/code/soc/ did get done
[07:16] <Kamion> jasoncohen: and in any case I said "once [it] learns to dist-upgrade", so I did know about the goal already
[07:17] <jasoncohen> we will see a dramatically improved gnome-app-install that has a comprehensive discription + possibley homepage and screenshots for every app with a .desktop file and it will be organized well and easy to use for new users
[07:17] <jasoncohen> and i talked to the developer of that breezygoal last night. he's about done
[07:18] <jasoncohen> he's also developed a way for users to install software from a developer's website using synaptic. you click a link which loads an xml file that tells synaptic to install package. it can't add repos so it should be secure
[07:19] <HiddenWolf> jasoncohen: nice!
[07:19] <HiddenWolf> I can see a load of problems with that, but nice!
[07:19] <jasoncohen> it'll be very cool for the wiki pages
[07:20] <jasoncohen> we'll hopefully be able to add a link to install packages right from the wiki page
[07:20] <Kamion> erm
[07:20] <jasoncohen> i would love to do that on my multimedia page
[07:20] <pef> bye !
[07:20] <Kamion> so you know the way Ubuntu comes with no firewall preconfigured, because users have to make an explicit decision to install server packages?
[07:21] <jasoncohen> yup
[07:21] <jasoncohen> Kamion, there are no open ports by default
[07:21] <Kamion> I know that, I was in the original discussions :P
[07:21] <sivang> Kamion: I'm still amazed by the reaction I get to this by converting people :) "Huh?! How come there is not firewall?"
[07:21] <Kamion> my point is that "can't add repos" doesn't mean it's automatically secure
[07:21] <HiddenWolf> jasoncohen: what'd be cool is if the documentation gnome-app-install shows a description from a wikipedia style package wiki.
[07:21] <Kamion> because now, anyone can cause a server to be present by convincing a user to click on a link
[07:22] <jasoncohen> Kamion, it'll still tell a user what's being installed
[07:22] <Kamion> "<gobbledegook> OK?"
[07:22] <HiddenWolf> jasoncohen: so you face the description
[07:22] <Kamion> (which is what the dialog box will look like to people not expecting it)
[07:22] <HiddenWolf> package would be unauthenticated, but that's not scary enough.
[07:23] <HiddenWolf> s/face/fake
[07:23] <jasoncohen> no- it wouldn't. apache2 would authenticate for example
[07:23] <jasoncohen> anything in ubuntu's repos would authenticate just fine
[07:23] <jasoncohen> Kamion, how about something like g-a-i?
[07:23] <Kamion> does that not scare you? we have a lot of server packages, many of which should not be installed unless you know what you're doing
[07:24] <jasoncohen> Kamion, http://niran.org/code/soc/ - view the last picture
[07:24] <Kamion> I don't see the relevance ...
[07:25] <jasoncohen> Kamion, we could have a simple popup with the name of a program and a simple description. also, we could add a warning, "Are you sure you want to add these server pacakges. They may cause security vulnerabilities"
[07:25] <jasoncohen> Kamion, mandriva does that during install
[07:26] <Kamion> I just don't think that warning will be heeded
[07:26] <Kamion> I am really scared of anything that installs packages based on something you can do in ordinary web browsing, which is often hideously insecure
[07:26] <Kamion> warning or no warning
[07:27] <Kamion> at UDU we discussed only ever installing packages from something that used some of the widgets from gtkmozembed etc., but not from firefox itself
[07:27] <jasoncohen> but how is this different from someone saying on a webpage- if you want gaim run "sudo apt-get install gaim apache2 mysql"
[07:27] <jasoncohen> *mysql-server
[07:27] <Kamion> that requires conscious action from a user to do, and it's pretty clear what's happening if they have to explicitly invoke a package management tool
[07:28] <jasoncohen> and it's not going to be obvious if synaptic comes up and asks to install something?
[07:28] <Kamion> whereas links can be obfuscated, and too many people are conditioned to OKing dialog boxes
[07:28] <Kamion> if synaptic comes up, maybe; not if just a dialog saying "are you sure you want to install this package?" comes up
[07:29] <elmo> ybin: Please add ofboot=<path> where <path> is the OpenFirmware path to /dev/sda2 to /etc/yaboot.conf
[07:29] <jasoncohen> Kamion, i think it brings up synaptic with the package(s) enabled
[07:29] <jasoncohen> to install
[07:29] <Kamion> but synaptic coming up seems to be an obvious target for usability types to eliminate, so I suspect that would go away, and then we'd be left in the terrifying scenario
[07:29] <elmo> kamion: I'm getting that with a breezy kernel (on a hoary systme) - have you seen that, and/or do you know what it wants? :)
[07:30] <jasoncohen> pitti, so, are you opposed to the idea of having a security/bug fix update only choice for update-manager?
[07:30] <Kamion> elmo: what does 'ofpath /dev/sda2' say?
[07:30] <elmo> ofpath: /proc/device-tree is broken. Do not use BootX to boot, use yaboot.
[07:30] <elmo> ofpath: The yaboot HOWTO can be found here: http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc
[07:31] <pitti> jasoncohen: not really, but I'm not opposed to a special notification if there is a security update
[07:31] <jasoncohen> pitti, ok, would that be difficult to implement and is it something someone is interested in doing? i unfortunately don't have any programming knowledge
[07:32] <pitti> jasoncohen: can you please talk to mvo when he comes back?
[07:32] <jasoncohen> ok
[07:32] <pitti> u-m is his baby
[07:32] <pitti> thanks
[07:32] <Kamion> elmo: muh?
[07:33] <elmo> Kamion: yeah, neat
[07:33] <elmo> Kamion: it's davis, FWIW
[07:33] <Kamion> ls -l /proc/device-tree | grep -q ^lr
[07:33] <elmo> and ofpath seems to work without privs
[07:33] <Kamion> that's the test
[07:34] <Kamion> no symlinks in the top level of /proc/device-tree - wtf?
[07:34] <Kamion> like, er, minor details like /proc/device-tree/pci
[07:34] <jasoncohen> is Michael Vogt mvo?
[07:34] <Kamion> yes
[07:34] <elmo> this is a fairly early breezy kernel, I'm trying to upgrade to a more recent one
[07:34] <pitti> dholbach, ajmitch: could one of you please merge ethereal from Debian? it fixes a lot of vulns
[07:34] <jasoncohen> ah, so he's the one working on http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemUpgradeTool
[07:35] <dholbach> pitti: i'll look into it
[07:35] <elmo> kamion: I might just reboot into the new one, and see if /proc/device-tree is happier
[07:35] <pitti> dholbach, ajmitch: it almost looks like the package can be synced
[07:35] <dholbach> pitti: ok, i'll double check
[07:35] <pitti> dholbach: thanks :-)
[07:37] <Kamion> elmo: you'd need a ppc kernel guru to check if device-tree's meant to be that way; kinda hard to check from userspace
[07:37] <elmo> ok
[07:37] <Kamion> elmo: doing 'dev / ls' at an OF prompt might be worthwhile, see if it has the links or aliases or however they show up at that level
[07:38] <Kamion> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2005-08-04 18:32 /proc/device-tree/pci -> pci@f0000000
[07:38] <Kamion> stuff like that should really be in /proc/device-tree/
[07:41] <dholbach> elmo: could you please sync ethereal from unstable, when you find the time?
[07:41] <elmo> Kamion: latest breezy does the same thing - I'll pester the kernel folks
[07:42] <elmo> dholbach: ok to override ubuntu changes?\
[07:42] <dholbach> yes, go ahead!
[07:43] <zul> hmmm?
[07:44] <pitti> dholbach: thx for cross-checking
[07:44] <dholbach> elmo: is somebody else doing syncs these days? some motus wanted to know what to do about syncs, when you're not available ... and i couldn't tell me for sure, because i wasn't around that much
[07:44] <elmo> dholbach: just have them mail me
[07:44] <dholbach> alright, i will tell them
[07:44] <dholbach> elmo: thank you
[07:45] <elmo> (if I'm not around
[07:45] <elmo> + otherwise, on IRC is obviously fine)
[07:56] <shaya> uh, are there supposed to be .ko files in linux-restricted-modules?
[07:56] <shaya> there dont seem to be any
[07:57] <jasoncohen> shaya, there are
[07:57] <jasoncohen> shaya, i think you're looking at the dummy package linux-restricted-modules-arch
[07:57] <shaya> uh?
[07:57] <shaya> spotter@dent:/lib/linux-restricted-modules$ find . -name '*.ko' -print
[07:57] <shaya> spotter@dent:/lib/linux-restricted-modules$
[07:58] <jasoncohen> shaya, dpkg -L linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[07:58] <shaya> spotter@dent:/lib/linux-restricted-modules$ dpkg -L linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-6-686 |grep ko
[07:58] <shaya> spotter@dent:/lib/linux-restricted-modules$
[07:58] <jasoncohen> oh, ok
[07:59] <jasoncohen> when did that package enter breezy?
[07:59] <shaya> today
[07:59] <Treenaks> hey
[08:00] <Treenaks> where'd glxinfo go?
[08:04] <Kamion> shaya: they're linked at run-time
[08:06] <shaya> really?
[08:06] <shaya> how does that work?
[08:06] <mdz> shaya: pong
[08:06] <Kamion> see linux-restricted-modules-common
[08:06] <shaya> and what's the point?
[08:06] <shaya> lrm-manager has no manpage
[08:14] <Treenaks> glxinfo is gone :(
[08:23] <Amaranth> Treenaks: glxinfo is unimportant
[08:24] <janimonoses> tseng you can test xfce now :)
[08:27] <Mez> Amaranth: ping
[08:28] <Amaranth> pong
[08:29] <Mez> Amaranth, bob2 was telling me something was breaking something in BP ..
[08:29] <Mez> and that you knew about it
[08:29] <Amaranth> yeah, pyxdg needs to conflict with gnome-app-install
[08:30] <Mez> shouldnt that conflict in breezy?
[08:32] <Amaranth> well, no
[08:32] <Amaranth> gnome-app-install is turning into niran's new project
[08:32] <Amaranth> which works with pyxdg 0.14
[08:33] <Mez> so why should it conflict?
[08:34] <Amaranth> it should in backports
[08:34] <Amaranth> because you don't have niran's shiny stuff
[08:34] <Mez> then let us have it
[08:34] <Amaranth> we don't have it either :P
[08:35] <Amaranth> i suppose you could fix g-a-i in breezy and backport it
[08:36] <Mez> *shrugs*
[08:36] <shaya> well, however restricted modules are supposed to work, they dont seem to work well
[08:37] <Kamion> Amaranth: a versioned Conflicts would be fine
[08:37] <shaya> just booted into .12 and it couldn't load madwifi
[08:38] <tseng> janimonoses: rock on
[08:39] <Amaranth> shaya: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12 isn't even in the archives yet, is it?
[08:40] <Amaranth> and when i built it on my own it seemed to be split into a bunch of smaller packages
[08:42] <Mez> pitti: ping
[08:48] <pitti> Hi Mez
[08:52] <shaya> Amaranth: it is
[08:52] <Mez> hey pitti, just looking at libgda2 ... and it needs a lil tweak to be able to be backported,
[08:52] <Mez> just wondering if you'd make the tweak and upload
[08:52] <pitti> which tweak?
[08:53] <pitti> Mez: if you send me a debdiff, I can take a look at it and upload, no problem
[08:53] <Mez> pitti: it's a tiny change
[08:53] <Mez> not worth a debdiff IMO
[08:53] <Mez> in control.in change the Build-Depends on libpq-dev to libpq-dev | postgresql-dev
[08:54] <pitti> ah, I see
[08:54] <Mez> musta missed that before or somethign
[08:54] <sabdfl> elmo: do you have a handy list of the current uploaders to main and universe?
[08:54] <pitti> Mez: but why not just change the build-dep in the backport?
[08:55] <elmo> sabdfl: I can make one
[08:55] <sabdfl> elmo: danke
[08:55] <Mez> pitti: because we dont have access to upload to backports
[08:56] <Mez> pitti: everything has to be fixed in breezy, then backported
[08:56] <Mez> evening sabdfl :D
[08:56] <pitti> Mez: ok, if it helps you...
[08:56] <sabdfl> hey Mez
[08:56] <Mez> pitti - thanks a lot :D
[08:57] <pitti> Mez: hm, odd...
[08:57] <Mez> odd?
[08:57] <elmo> sabdfl: sent
[08:57] <pitti> Mez: it seems that the current breezy libgda already depends *only* on postgresql-dev
[08:57] <Mez> pitti: thats not true
[08:57] <pitti> Mez: ah, libgda23
[08:58] <pitti> libgda2, even
[08:58] <pitti> I looked at libgda
[08:58] <Mez> http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/source/libgda2
[08:59] <Mez> (pitti: if thats the case libgda should be fixed aswell, postgresql-dev is a transitional pacakge)
[08:59] <mdz> pitti: it's a lot cleaner for us to share sources between breezy and backports: no merging, no human error, etc.
[09:00] <janimonoses> elmo please sync xfce4-terminal, thanks
[09:00] <pitti> Mez: uploaded
[09:01] <Mez> pitti: thanks :D
[09:01] <pitti> You're welcome :-)
[09:01] <Mez> elmo, can you re-add libgda2 when It's built?
[09:01] <Mez> and lamont/infinity can you clear the dep-wait on it please
[09:01] <Mez> mdz: did you get my email about mono backports
[09:03] <elmo> janimonoses: done
[09:08] <elmo> bah, kernel-package is horribly unfriendly to ppc64
[09:10] <jasoncohen> Mez, can you upload totem 1.1.1 from mirrormax's backports to the official backport mirror? totem 1.0.1 can't play part files, so you have to wait until a download is complete to play a song. that is fixed in 1.1.1
[09:10] <lamont> elmo: how so?
[09:11] <elmo> lamont: it forces the architecture to ppc
[09:11] <lamont> ew
[09:11] <lamont> it's helping...
[09:11] <elmo> not really :P
[09:11] <elmo> the kernel gets it right, it's make-kpkg explicitly overriding the kernel's own idea of architecture
[09:11] <teferi> hey, will you guys kill me if i ask about a bizarre problem i've found in breezy+newest kernel package+newest linux-restricted-modules?
[09:12] <mdz> Mez: yes
[09:14] <teferi> well, i'll ask anyway. i've installed the new linux-restricted-modules and run lrm-manager. /lib/modules/2.6.12-6-686/kernel/drivers/volatile exists and is populated as expected. but if i try to modprobe, say, the atheros driver (ath_pci), it silently fails. the module doesn't show up in lsmod (or /proc/modules, obviously), but if i try modprobing it again, stracing modprobe shows that init_module returns EEXIST...
[09:14] <janimonoses> Mez, how does one request a backport?
[09:15] <ogra> janimonoses, you ask Mez :)
[09:18] <teferi> if no one feels like helping me, that's okay, just tell me and i'll vanish. i hate to bother you guys, but this is a real head-scratcher
[09:18] <janimonoses> Mez, could you backport the wx2.6 packages please
[09:18] <Burgundavia> pitti, have you had a chance to look at a few more of the edubuntu main inclusion stuff?
[09:19] <pitti> not yet, sorry
[09:19] <highvoltage> teferi: try #ubuntu
[09:19] <Burgundavia> pitti, np
[09:19] <teferi> highvoltage: i have. they're baffled too
[09:19] <jasoncohen> teferi, you should post a bug report. this isn't really the place to ask for support. Breezy is still a development release so things are expected to be borken
[09:19] <jasoncohen> *broken
[09:19] <teferi> yeah, i know
[09:19] <teferi> oh well, to bugzilla I go
[09:19] <jasoncohen> teferi, linux-restricted-modules was just added today
[09:19] <jasoncohen> in breezy
[09:19] <teferi> jasoncohen: yep
[09:19] <jasoncohen> give it a while
[09:30] <Mez> janimonoses, please email it to [email protected]
[09:35] <janimonoses> mez, done :)
[09:43] <x0r> hello people
[09:43] <x0r> I just got a strange error after upgrading my xorg on breezy
[09:43] <x0r> my xorg.conf seems not to work anymore, I also looked around and didn't found anything
[09:44] <x0r> running Xorg -configure to check my xorg.conf gives me: .... Missing output drivers. Configuration failed.
[09:44] <x0r> any idea?
[09:44] <Mez> x0r, support is on #ubuntu - X is b0rked, but try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:45] <x0r> doesn't work
[09:45] <x0r> I've tried almost everything
[09:45] <Amaranth> go bad to hoary?
[09:45] <Amaranth> err, back
[09:45] <x0r> maybe something changed in the development cycle
[09:45] <x0r> no
[09:46] <Amaranth> X is working here
[09:46] <x0r> I'd like to use breezy and to enjoy gcc 4.0 and a fast machine
[09:46] <x0r> also for my persnal software development
[09:46] <Amaranth> gcc 4 doesn't make things faster
[09:46] <Mez> Kamion: ping
[09:46] <x0r> I know
[09:46] <Kamion> Mez: pong
[09:47] <x0r> I like the up to date libraries and also an up to date gnome ;)
[09:47] <Mez> Kamion, just looking at MOTU-Merge, there's a kernel package for d-i ...
[09:47] <Kamion> Mez: which one?
[09:47] <Mez> is it even needed in universe?>
[09:47] <x0r> @Amaranth: do you have an nvidia graphics card?
[09:47] <Mez> linux-kernel-di-i386-2.6
[09:47] <Amaranth> x0r: nope
[09:47] <Kamion> Mez: no, it's probably best to remove it
[09:47] <Mez> Kamion: morgue candidate?
[09:47] <Amaranth> x0r: pretty sure you need to use the open source nv driver right now though
[09:47] <Kamion> likewise linux-kernel-di-*, pretty much
[09:47] <Kamion> Mez: yes
[09:48] <Mez> cool :d
[09:48] <Kamion> we've built those from the kernel source proper since forever
[09:48] <x0r> @Amaranth: I've tried the open source nv driver, that comes with xorg -> but it also doesn't work :(
[09:48] <Mez> Kamion: so... what should the reason be?
[09:49] <Kamion> Mez: superseded by linux-source-2.6.*
[09:50] <Amaranth> x0r: based on the little ammount of info you've actually given i'd say the answer is give up on X or go back to hoary
[09:50] <Amaranth> x0r: unless you give more info those are the only choices
[09:51] <x0r> ok
[09:51] <x0r> what info do you need
[09:51] <x0r> I don't know what can help you
[09:51] <Amaranth> your xorg log file
[09:51] <x0r> my xorg.conf isn't useful I think
[09:51] <x0r> because it worked a few days ago
[09:51] <shaya> Kamion: what's the reasoning for the new system w/ restricted modules?
[09:52] <x0r> wait
[09:52] <x0r> I'll post it
[09:52] <Kamion> shaya: I didn't have anything to do with it, I was just pointing out what I could see in the archive
[09:53] <shaya> yea, it dont work
[09:53] <shaya> trying to read up on it
[09:53] <Kamion> mdz: can I move OEMInstaller to Completed, do you think? it almost certainly still needs more development work, but it's in the "responses to testing" and "large bug fixes" categories rather than the "code not there" category
[09:57] <Mez> Kamion: this cool: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MorgueCandidates
[09:58] <x0r> here's my xorg.conf
[09:58] <x0r> # /etc/X11/xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file)
[09:58] <Kamion> Mez: yes, except (a) i386v -> i386, (b) it's spelt "superseded" not "superceded" :)
[09:58] <x0r> wait
[10:01] <Mez> Kamion, I see your adverse to morgueing aboot
[10:02] <Mez> what's the point at the moment if it wont even build - and is just wasting space
[10:03] <xor> Section "Files"
[10:03] <xor> FontPath "unix/:7100" # local font server
[10:03] <xor> # if the local font server has problems, we can fall back on these
[10:03] <xor> FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/misc"
[10:03] <xor> FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
[10:04] <Kamion> Mez: we have plenty of stuff that's arch-specific; note that we have three unofficial ports already, and there has been interest in the others
[10:04] <Kamion> s/the others/others/
[10:04] <Kamion> I don't recall if there's been specific interest in alpha, but I really don't see why we should intentionally make life harder for such people
[10:05] <Kamion> ideally, they should be able to set up a buildd and build their way up the usual chain
[10:08] <zAo^> can I upgrade the nvidia-glx pkg without losing DRI?
[10:08] <zAo^> the new pkg that is
[10:11] <mdz> Kamion: that'd be appropriate, then, yes
[10:12] <hunger> Which deb contains the vmlinuz file now? linux-image-686 is empty except for some docs here.
[10:13] <hunger> linux-restricted-modules is empty as well:-(
[10:13] <Kamion> ah, s/Completed/Implemented/ now I see
[10:14] <Kamion> linux-image-686 is a metapackage, the same as it always was. Look at its dependencies.
[10:17] <sabdfl> hey guys, i think we should start keeping track of the main-uploaders and universe-uploaders in launchpad
[10:18] <hunger> Kamion: You are right of course... sorry for the stupid question. I've been running around for 18h straight now:-(
[10:20] <sabdfl> dholbach, ogra: we need a universe-uploaders team in LP
[10:20] <sabdfl> we need a strict policy on who can add people to that
[10:20] <ogra> ok
[10:20] <sabdfl> probably, the tech board should be the owner of that team
[10:20] <ogra> yup
[10:20] <sabdfl> because tech board people need to approve universe-uploaders
[10:21] <sabdfl> should i go ahead and create it?
[10:21] <ogra> yep
[10:21] <ogra> :)
[10:21] <sabdfl> i'll add you two, as admins, would you then add the other motu?
[10:21] <ogra> sure...
[10:21] <ogra> is there a way to copy contents between teams ?
[10:21] <ogra> we already have the MOTU team for malone, i could just copy it
[10:23] <tortoise_> new login has stopped working in breezy, and I cant switch to other virtual terminals
[10:24] <tortoise_> is this known aboot
[10:26] <ogra> tortoise_, works fine here on a up to date breezy machine
[10:31] <Mez> sabdfl: I assume you're planning to make it so uploads work through LP?
[10:31] <ogra> Mez, not only uploads
[10:31] <Mez> sabdfl, that's a great idea :D hehe :d and would make elmo's life a lot easier
[10:31] <Mez> ogra: not only uploads ... /
[10:31] <Mez> s/\//\?/
[10:31] <sabdfl> Mez: yup
[10:31] <ogra> Mez, LP will be the center of the world for ubuntu development once its done
[10:32] <sabdfl> Mez: also, storage of patches and packages under development
[10:32] <ogra> and not only ubuntu hopefully
[10:32] <sabdfl> and allowing non-members to publish their own patches etc
[10:32] <Mez> sabdfl: sweet :D you've gotta love ubuntu for making innovations eh?
[10:33] <sabdfl> Mez: should be fun ;-)
[10:33] <Mez> sabdfl: yeah, but Ubuntu makes so many changes to the way people develop - is it ever gonna be finised?
[10:34] <sabdfl> Mez: i hope not, i would have to find something else to get up for in the morning
[10:34] <tseng> Mez: about half of the products are public now, malone, rosetta, baz
[10:34] <tseng> the rest are more specific to building the distro
[10:34] <tseng> besides hct is interesting to other distros I guess
[10:35] <tseng> everyone is really looking forward to that one.
[10:35] <Mez> sabdfl: I usually find my gf kicking me in the back helps me get up in the morning
[10:36] <sabdfl> Mez: the whole idea is to accelerate open source development with better collaborative tools
[10:37] <Mez> sabdfl, I know, I saw the video of your speech at debconf :D
[10:38] <Mez> sabdfl: and hats off to you for funding it: I can see you being marked down as a prominent figure in geek history
[10:40] <pitti> oi, where is seb128???
[10:44] <martinhj> is there a list of patches used in the ubuntu kernel?
[10:46] <Mez> hmm: does anyone have any FF plkugin making experience
[10:46] <Mez> it'd be so useful to hve a search plugin to search packages.ubuntu.com/packages.debian.org
[10:48] <Amaranth> Mez: That'd mostly be a copy/paste of another search plugin.
[10:49] <Mez> Amaranth, maybe :D but still :D be usefule
[10:49] <Mez> and martinhj try http://patches.ubuntu.com/patches/
[10:49] <Amaranth> Mez: I know, I'm telling you to copy/paste another plugin. :P
[10:50] <martinhj> Mez: tried that one.. I mean like a list in a wiki or something
[10:51] <Mez> Amaranth, I wouldnt know where to start
[10:52] <martinhj> there is a package in the main repository called ubuntu-kernel-patches or something.. is that a full list of all the patches used against a vanilla Linus kernel.org Linux kernel?
[10:59] <majic> can anyone verify that the ruby 1.8.2 package made it into backports yet?
[10:59] <Mez> majic, erm, we're fixing a few things, it should be there then
[10:59] <Mez> (It's registering as needing a NEW when it shouldnt be
[10:59] <majic> alrighty then
[11:01] <elmo> Riddell: ?
[11:01] <Riddell> elmo: ?
[11:02] <elmo> kio-apt's debian/bug.control doesn't seem appropriate?
[11:02] <Riddell> elmo: you're right there
[11:03] <Riddell> elmo: the package is based on one from him (he's the author of kio-apt)
[11:05] <ajmitch> morning
[11:05] <elmo> sure - I haven't rejected it, but you could fix our package not to install that file in the next upload?
[11:06] <Riddell> elmo: ok
[11:07] <dholbach> sabdfl, ogra: isn't the "motu" team just ok?
[11:08] <ogra> dholbach, the motu team currently contains only administrators
[11:08] <ogra> dholbach, sabdfl wants something TB controlled
[11:08] <dholbach> ogra: but it just contains motus, which are universe uploaders
[11:08] <ogra> yes
[11:09] <dholbach> ogra: oh well... i thought they'd be happy to not having to do it themselves :)
[11:09] <dholbach> ogra: aren't we good at organizing ourselves? :-p
[11:09] <ogra> dholbach, i guess its our job to finally add them :)
[11:10] <robitaille> dholbach: next step is to turn on the calendar in the MOTU's LP page and add the MOTU meetings in there :)
[11:10] <dholbach> ogra: it's just that two groups to take care of is ... :)
[11:10] <ajmitch> robitaille: yes, certainly :)
[11:10] <dholbach> ogra: i asked about adding a mailing list to the malone team: it's no problem
[11:11] <ajmitch> dholbach: but if the 2nd group is only editable by the TB, since it will control upload rights
[11:11] <dholbach> ogra: so everybody can sign up for universe-bugs or something - if they want to help us
[11:11] <robitaille> I finally found yesterday how to subscribe to other LP calendars; it's a great feature
[11:11] <Mez> it is :D
[11:11] <dholbach> robitaille: i saw it today :)
[11:11] <Mez> dholbach, the second group will be only controllable by you and ogra and TB
[11:12] <ajmitch> dholbach: great, can some of us be signed up automatically? :)
[11:12] <dholbach> ajmitch: the mailing list isnt created yet and i can only hope we don't hit anal restrictions towards it :)
[11:12] <ajmitch> dholbach: patience..
[11:14] <dholbach> hey mvo :)
[11:15] <ajmitch> hi mvo
[11:15] <mvo> hey ajmitch!
[11:15] <ogra> dholbach, amd64 and troubles in one sentence from *you* ?
[11:16] <dholbach> ogra: ask mvo
[11:16] <\sh> evening..guys
[11:16] <mvo> ogra: don't ask, much hw dealer seems to be unable to build a amd64 for me that actually works :/
[11:16] <ogra> mvo, did you think about the fact that we have backported main packages now for synaptic (i.e. ubuntu logo for main packages)
[11:17] <ajmitch> hmm, security bug on malone, I wonder if it's on pitti's list
[11:17] <mvo> ogra: arg ... no
[11:17] <ogra> mvo, cant you do that yourself ? i never trust HW dealers
[11:17] <pitti> ajmitch: which one?
[11:17] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1176
[11:17] <mvo> ogra: I can (and did all the time until now). but I wanted to try a different way this time. 1. give money to dealer 2. get shinny pc
[11:18] <ajmitch> ok it has a CAN & debian bug, so it probably is :)
[11:19] <ajmitch> pitti: it's on the fixed list, I'll close the malone bug
[11:19] <majic> is reading the new debian maintainers guide the best way to break into debian packaging? Or is there any Ubuntu specifics that I should need to know.
[11:20] <Riddell> majic: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPackagingGuide has some ideas
[11:20] <ogra> majic, nope, debian NM guide is fine...
[11:20] <Riddell> majic: also hang around on #ubuntu-motu
[11:20] <pitti> ajmitch: probably fixed in breezy, but not in hoary&warty
[11:21] <ogra> majic, additionally the DevelopeResources wikipage is of some interest
[11:21] <ajmitch> pitti: ah ok
[11:21] <ogra> *DeveloperResources
[11:21] <majic> I've been looking at the DevelopersResources wiki-page
[11:22] <majic> I'm just trying to figure out what exactly I need since there seems to be alot of information out there
[11:22] <martinhj> ogra: does gnome-power work for you? it doesn't show any icon here....
[11:23] <ogra> martinhj, run gnome-power-manager from the commandline or via alt-f2 then enable the icon in the settings gui
[11:23] <ogra> this version doesnt do very much yet... its quite outdated... the new version waits for the new dbus
[11:24] <ogra> it will only show your battery status
[11:24] <martinhj> ogra: ah, ok.. but the problem was acutually that the gnome-power daemon didn't run..
[11:24] <ogra> or UPS if you got one
[11:24] <mdz> infinity: are the livefs build logs published? if not, please arrange for them to be published
[11:24] <martinhj> shouldn't it be added to gnome-session by default?
[11:25] <ogra> martinhj, if it is in main
[11:25] <martinhj> ah, ok
[11:25] <ogra> martinhj, the new version will work differently and split out an additional powermanger package, that has to be approved newly
[11:26] <martinhj> will it work with acpi-support in Ubuntu, or will it all change?
[11:26] <ogra> it will be a frontend to the current power management infrastructure
[11:27] <mdz> mvo: is progress-reporting ready to be released?
[11:27] <martinhj> ogra: and edit /etc/default/acpi-support and such?
[11:28] <ogra> martinhj, huh ?
[11:28] <ogra> why would you want to edit that file ?
[11:28] <mvo> mdz: could you please check if you merged my latest changes? if Kamion tested it sucessfully with his base-config work I think it's ready
[11:29] <mvo> mdz: I would like to do a new python-apt release. the python interface was reviewed by jamesh and ddaa and I reworked it according to there input
[11:30] <martinhj> ogra: at least changes in that file changes the log out dialog, so I thought gnome-power-manager could be a frontend to that file
[11:31] <ogra> martinhj, gnome-power is a frontend to hal it will call the functions your logout dialog uses on some conditional events...
[11:31] <ogra> i.e. shutdown or hibernate if battery is at 1%
[11:31] <martinhj> ok
[11:38] <shaya> mdz: your bug is fixed
[11:38] <shaya> or I would hope so
[11:43] <windex> i would just like to say, i have been lurking in here a couple of days, and out of the linux distributions i've worked with, this is both the most civil and the most sane development channel out of all of them. :)
[11:47] <mdz> shaya: oh? that's great. I didn't see anything on the unionfs list about it
[11:48] <Mez> mdz: so what do we want to do about backproting mono
[11:48] <mdz> windex: thanks :-)
[11:49] <mdz> Mez: if it needs bootstrapping, that's a buildd admin issue (lamont/infinity)
[11:49] <tseng> lamont LOVES mono :D
[11:49] <lamont> /me looks for something to hit tseng with
[11:50] <tseng> lamont: i only poke fun because I like you.
[11:50] <lamont> hehe
[11:50] <mdz> Mez: regarding the packages you said needed new processing, I don't see any of those in the queue
[11:50] <Mez> mdz: I believe lamont and elmo have fixed that now
[11:51] <mdz> I don't see ruby-defaults binaries in hoary-backports yet
[11:51] <Mez> mdz: interpreters/ruby-defaults_1.8.2-1~hoary1: Building by buildd+vernadsky [optional:uncompiled]
[11:51] <lamont> mdz: the overrides were fixed at :03
[11:51] <Mez> mez: it was showing as unkown in LKiss
[11:51] <elmo> mdz: miscommunication
[11:51] <Mez> Lists
[11:52] <elmo> mdz: they were missing overrides due to a config screwup, they were never NEW
[11:52] <Mez> and the buildlog says it's been built successfulyy... so lol convused over that
[11:52] <elmo> and being missing in the overrides breaks our buildds
[11:53] <Mez> :D
[11:53] <lamont> and as for it's failure to show up, at least vernadsky needs a little hit with a cluebat
[11:56] <mdz> lamont: can you arrange for the livefs build logs to be synced out to your buildLogs dir?
[11:56] <mdz> I would like to be able to show people how to help when they ask about the live cd builds ;-)
[11:58] <Mez> mdz: thinking of making a backports Live CD when everythings working properly with backports: what do you think?
[11:58] <lamont> mdz: I'll add those to the work I'm doing on the logs between now and monday
[11:59] <mdz> Mez: interesting idea, but it will involve some legwork on the part of some very busy people, so it may take some time to set up
[11:59] <mdz> lamontthanks
[11:59] <mdz> lamont is both here and away
[12:00] <lamont> mdz: yeah - that away guy is away from the house
[12:00] <Mez> mdz: It'll require some legwork yes, I'm thinking maybe an install/live cd when breezy is released (for hoary)
[12:00] <lamont> the order of existance is 'lamont__', lamont, lamont-away :0
[12:00] <lamont> :-)
[12:01] <\sh> lamont: it works great on ubuntu ;)
[12:02] <lamont> my roving selves all highlight on 'lamont' as well
[12:03] <lamont> of course, sometimes when my home-self is 'lamont-away', I'm really there... I should be more pedantic about my nic
[12:03] <lamont> k
[12:03] <pitti> night everybody
[12:03] <\sh> yes..for me as well...g'night :)
[12:04] <shaya> mdz: pathc was just posted
[12:04] <shaya> they messed up on the d_unhashed logic
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[12:36] <Luciph3r> ragazzi come si chiama il programma per fare le scrittone in ascii .. cacchio me lo dimentico sempre
[12:51] <elmo> OI
[12:51] <elmo> R. [ 18: launchpad-reviews-bo] Your message to launchpad-reviews awaits moderator approval
[12:51] <elmo> webmaster@ is getting spammed with that; can someone please whitelist that address?
[12:56] <kiko> sure
[12:56] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: [r=bradb] fix for bug 806: marking bug as dupe doesn't hide them; omits dupes from search listings by default. Renames IBugTarget.search to seearchBugs. Refactors BugTaskSet.search to be cleaner. Cleans up the search listing page's actions portlet. Removes lint from here and there. Tests hidden dupes feature. Minor cleanups to the attachment templates, essentially removing unused crap. Enjoy (patch-2221:
[12:57] <kiko> elmo, actually, fuck, it'sa n implicit target
[12:58] <elmo> yeah, moin's always done that :(
[12:59] <kiko> hummph
[01:53] <Luciph3r> il mondo mio ( cit. il nemico di fantaman .. dr.Zero)
[05:29] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: add cve report on distribution [r=stevea] (patch-2222: [email protected])
[10:33] <mvo> jamesh: any chance you could have a second look at the python-apt interface? it uses properties now (as you suggested) in the Package class
[10:36] <koke> hi all
[10:46] <sivang> mvo: what will those binding be used for?
[10:47] <mvo> sivang: that are binding to write package managers in python using libapt
[10:47] <mvo> gnome-app-install, langauge-selector and update-manager use them (our growing amada of python based system software :)
[10:48] <koke> mvo: I've seen someone is working on FindingPackages, how it's going?
[10:49] <mvo> koke: see for yourself http://www.niran.org/code/soc/
[10:49] <sivang> mvo: but update-manager looks like is just using apt at the backend, is's able to show stuff the debconf stuff in the terminal window option it has, how does it achive that through libapt bindings?
[10:50] <sivang> mvo: I saw you are the package admin for g-s-t on soyuz, is it just dummy data for now?
[10:51] <koke> mvo: I got a new job and I hve less free time :(
[10:51] <mvo> sivang: it figures what packages are upgradable with apt and uses synpatic as it's backend. the problem is that the actuall install support in python-apt is not yet that great (and well tested)
[10:51] <mvo> koke: the page has some screenshots and stuff
[10:51] <mvo> sivang: do you have a url for me (for package-admin)?
[10:52] <sivang> mvo: sec, I ust figured it should be garnacho, that's all
[10:52] <sivang> yay! the calander is rocking
[10:53] <sivang> (it didn't work yesterday)
[10:53] <sivang> how do I add stuff related to ubuntu there?
[10:55] <sivang> mvo: I can't find the package anymore weird
[10:56] <sivang> mvo: ah, it was in DOAP - found it https://launchpad.net/products/gnome-system-tools
[10:57] <sivang> mvo: you're the lead maintainer there, shouldn't it be garnacho?
[10:59] <mvo> sivang: I'm probably lead because I care for the packages
[11:01] <mvo> sivang: can't find package-admin
[11:01] <mvo> on the page
[11:02] <sivang> mvo: ah ok, so the lead there is the package maintainer?
[11:04] <mvo> sivang: I think so, yes
[11:13] <jordi> sivang: have you seen one of the last mails in rosetta-users, about a Hebrew translation team?
[11:24] <sivang> jordi: err, can you forward them to me? (I can't read those email from here)
[11:32] <sivang> mvo: we should probably have something to show who the upstraeam maintainer is
[11:38] <sivang> hmm, nice to see GNOME official translation is now done through rosetta
[11:42] <Burgundavia> you serious?
[11:49] <jordi> sivang: huh?
[11:51] <jordi> sivang: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/rosetta-users/2005-August/000626.html
[12:40] <mvo> can someone with python experience please review the interface bits of the "apt/" directory of my python-apt archive? baz get http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/arch/ubuntu/python-apt--mvo--0? it's not very big (and some issues are already fixed thanks to ddaa and jamesh)
[12:44] <jordi> sivang?
[12:46] <jamesh> mvo: one small issue: rather than doing "def getId(self):...\nid = property(getId)", use "def id(self): ..."
[12:47] <jamesh> otherwise you are providing a property and a method
[12:47] <jamesh> (i.e. use the same name for the property and the function used to define the property)
[12:48] <jamesh> mvo: another stylistic issue: in Cache._runCallbacks(), you use "apply(callback)"
[12:49] <jamesh> that can be written as "callback()", which is simpler
[12:49] <sivang> jordi: can I already mailed him to request memebership of the team
[12:49] <sivang> jordi: thanks
[12:50] <mvo> jamesh: thanks a lot!
[12:51] <sivang> jordi: is there a possibility to allow someone to import new po's and reviwe/approve stuff without being the main admin?
[12:54] <jamesh> mvo: also, you can just use "name = property(name)"
[12:55] <jamesh> rather than passing 4 args to property()
[12:55] <mvo> jamesh: this will preserve the docstring from the method?
[12:55] <jamesh> the property's documentation will default to the documentation of the getter function
[12:55] <mvo> great, thanks
[12:55] <jamesh> or if you can depend on Python 2.4, just use the "@property" notation
[01:02] <jordi> sivang: I'm not sure about that yet.
[01:02] <mvo> jamesh: thanks. we still provide python2.3 packages. but once they will be dropped I'll change to the @property
[01:03] <jamesh> mvo: I take it the Cache class would be a lot slower if it created the Package objects on request
[01:03] <jamesh> as opposed to the way it does it right now?
[01:07] <mvo> jamesh: I considered it. The time to build the dependency cache (in c++) is a lot bigger than the time it takes to populate the dictionary with the python wrapped packages. but a lazy dict may be possilbe without too much slowdown
[01:08] <jamesh> mvo: I guess this is one place where the RPM database is a bit nicer -- looking up packages is very quick without loading the entire contents
[01:09] <mvo> jamesh: yes, in theory it's very fast with apt too (but only if no dependency calculation is used and the package cache is up-to-date)
[01:10] <mvo> but python-apt does not really support opening the cache without considering dependencies so that is always done :/
[01:10] <mvo> (it's a limitation in the c++ wrapper code)
[01:11] <jamesh> The RPM database has indices for package names, file names, provides, requires, and a few others
[01:12] <mvo> oh, that's nice
[01:12] <jamesh> and it isn't a cache, so it isn't ever out of date
[01:13] <mvo> jamesh: can I use the properties in this way (or is there a way to provide that without having two get-methods: "property(canidatePriority(useCanidate=True))?
[01:13] <carlos> morning
[01:14] <jamesh> mvo: that would create a property that uses the return value of candidatePriority() as the implementation
[01:15] <jamesh> mvo: you might want something like property(lambda self: candidatePriority(self, useCandidate=True))
[01:15] <mvo> jamesh: right, that was what I was looking for. thanks again!
[01:21] <jordi> I'm going to need a catalan translators list for Rosetta
[01:21] <jordi> who should I ask this to?
[01:21] <sivang> carlos: morning, how are you ?
[01:23] <jordi> ah, I missed carlos' arrival
[01:23] <jordi> morning carlos
[01:24] <jordi> sivang was asking; if there are two team admins for, say, Hebrew, is one of the admins able to demote the other admin?
[01:26] <sivang> jordi: thanks :)
[01:27] <jordi> carlos: what are the plans to make Rosetta/LP translatable?
[01:29] <sivang> carlos: for instance, I got some requests fomr someone that wants to become and admin for the hebrew translators list as well, now this has the benefit of having two people who can upload PO files and review stuff, but if some havoc happens (when there are disagreemnets) admins might use their power to demote other admins etc, which would then result in having to bug you for permissions reset :)
[01:31] <carlos> sivang, morning
[01:32] <carlos> sivang, jordi if you are the owner of the team I think that would not happen
[01:32] <carlos> anyway that's a bad usage of the system
[01:32] <carlos> and if it happens, you should notify the admins (jordi, daf or me)
[01:33] <carlos> and that person will lose his rights
[01:33] <carlos> and the situation fixed
[01:34] <jordi> nod
[01:35] <carlos> jordi, what list do you need?
[01:42] <jordi> carlos: who do you do bold letters in the wiki
[01:42] <jordi> carlos: for the Catalan ubuntu team I guess
[01:43] <sivang> carlos: so I can basically give admin rights to anyone who says he wants to review translations and upload po files? (is it really needed for people to be admin in order to upload templates)
[01:45] <carlos> sivang, an admin is only needed to control who joins or not the team
[01:45] <carlos> sivang, any member should be able to upload .po files
[01:46] <sivang> carlos: ah I see, I didn't know that. I was sure you have to an admin to upload pos
[01:46] <carlos> sivang, no, that's not needed at all
[01:46] <carlos> jordi, https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-l10n-ca
[01:47] <jordi> carlos: mailing list. :)
[01:47] <sivang> carlos: and when someone uploads pos, who gets to review it and when?
[01:50] <carlos> jordi,?
[01:50] <carlos> jordi, did you asked for it?
[01:50] <carlos> ;-)
[01:50] <jordi> no :)
[01:50] <jordi> carlos: how do I make something bold in wiki markup?
[01:51] <jordi> err
[01:51] <jordi> sorry
[01:51] <carlos> sivang, a po upload done by a non editor just adds the updates as suggestions
[01:51] <jordi> it's on the fscking edit page
[01:51] <carlos> sivang, a po upload by an editor applies all translations automatically like translating over the web page
[01:51] <carlos> jordi, I think it's `foo`
[01:52] <carlos> or with three '''foo''''
[01:52] <jordi> '''foo'''
[01:52] <carlos> jordi, I don't remember it, just check other page that has it
[01:52] <jordi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RosettaFAQ?action=diff&rev2=6&rev1=5 <--- review?
[01:54] <sivang> carlos: Admin = Editor ? who do I make people editors?
[01:54] <carlos> jordi, cool, thanks. Btw, could you change ProductRelease by Product series or branch?
[01:54] <carlos> sivang, no, member == Editor
[01:54] <carlos> Admin == Coordinator
[01:55] <jordi> carlos: hmm, I don't see where
[01:56] <carlos> jordi, sorry, "upcoming release" is the question before the one you added
[01:56] <jordi> oh
[01:56] <sivang> carlos: so any person who has been approved by me as a memeber of the translation team, with the most basic privilges is actualyl and Editor ?
[01:56] <carlos> sivang, right
[01:56] <carlos> sivang, look at the team as the QA team
[01:56] <carlos> to translate you don't need to join the team
[01:57] <carlos> jordi, could you add that information to the FAQ so we have it clear?
[01:57] <sivang> carlos: so he can upload PO files, override others' translation , and approve uploaded stuff as the officail translations.
[01:57] <carlos> sivang, a member is an official translator
[01:57] <jordi> * Make sure the upcoming release is registered in Launchpad (add product, add series, add release).
[01:57] <jordi> you mean here?
[01:58] <sivang> carlos: ok, so we realyl don't neem more then one admin :) if everybody can upload and everyint that's cool
[01:58] <jordi> * Make sure the upcoming product series is registered in Launchpad (add product, add series, add release). <- this?
[01:58] <carlos> jordi, yeah, we don't need releases anymore, just series
[01:58] <carlos> remove 'add release'
[01:58] <carlos> sivang, right
[01:58] <carlos> sivang, only if you need help to accept/reject people
[01:59] <jordi> done
[02:00] <jamesh> spiv: how are you feeling?
[02:00] <sivang> carlos: cool, I'll email the hebrew list with this info whe I have acces sto my other mailbox again (from home)
[02:00] <jamesh> (chickenpox, etc)
[02:03] <carlos> sivang, cool, thanks
[02:06] <jamesh> Is the launchpad meeting happening now, or should I get some dinner?
[02:07] <kiko> jamesh, Steve says "get some dinner"
[02:07] <kiko> I can only guess what that means
[02:07] <spiv> jamesh: Getting better :)
[02:11] <jordi> carlos: enjoy :) https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1663/
[02:12] <jordi> carlos: where do I ask for a mailing list?
[02:12] <carlos> [email protected]
[02:12] <jordi> k
[02:15] <carlos> jordi, my firefox shows me it correctly
[02:16] <carlos> jordi, your browser bug?
[02:16] <jordi> great...
[02:16] <jordi> what font?
[02:16] <carlos> no idea, default one
[02:16] <jordi> does ubuntu default to vera?
[02:16] <carlos> no idea
[02:16] <carlos> jordi, how can I see it?
[02:17] <jordi> I don't know if ff uses GNOME prefs for that
[02:17] <jordi> but checking the font capplet to start is a good idea
[02:17] <carlos> It just says sans
[02:20] <jordi> hrm
[02:20] <SteveA> hi folks
[02:21] <SteveA> can we have a launchpad meeting in 10 minutes' time?
[02:21] <SteveA> should be a quick one, because many people are still in brazil
[02:21] <jordi> I can attend
[02:21] <jordi> just because I'm alone at work :)
[02:21] <mpt> B R A
[02:21] <mpt> Z I L
[02:22] <jordi> M P T! M P T!
[02:22] <mpt> jordi: Whereabouts in Launchpad did you have trouble reading "Valncia"?
[02:23] <jordi> I'm attaching a Screnenshot in a minute
[02:23] <mpt> oh, we have attachments now
[02:25] <jordi> reload
[02:29] <jordi> kiko: see?
[02:30] <SteveA> hi
[02:30] <SteveA> so, who's around?
[02:31] <SteveA> hmm, no one in particular
[02:31] <SteveA> okay, let's shelve the meeting until next week
[02:33] <jordi> carlos: have time for another lesson?
[02:39] <mpt> sorry, I wasn't paying attention
[02:46] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/arch-pqm--main--0: r=spiv tidy ups to the pqm codebase and implement a trivial status page (patch-22: [email protected])
[02:47] <jordi> carlos: it seems I have no perms to edit series details
[02:47] <jordi> https://launchpad.net/products/xqf/unknown/+edit
[02:48] <jordi> carlos: basically, I want to cleanup xqf's mess.
[02:48] <SteveA> carlos is in meetings with mark right now
[02:48] <jordi> righto
[02:49] <jordi> /away lunch
[02:49] <jordi> oos
[02:49] <jordi> anyway, I'm off home. back later.
[02:57] <niemeyer> Morning!
[03:01] <cprov> niemeyer: morning
[03:07] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] fix various actions portlet icons (patch-2223: [email protected])
[03:08] <kiko> morning niemeyer
[03:08] <kiko> jordi, are you not using ubuntu?
[03:12] <SteveA> morgs: ping me when you get back. i know how to fix the rdf view problem.
[03:12] <mpt> It's possible jordi's Debian installation is older than Bitstream's Vera release is, so he's not benefitting from new OS defaults
[03:17] <jamesh> we released Vera ages ago
[03:18] <mpt> I thought it was only three or four years
[03:21] <jamesh> that's ages ago, right?
[03:22] <mpt> not for a Debian user :->
[03:22] <kiko> hoho
[03:22] <jamesh> 3 or 4 years is ~ 6 or 8 ubuntu releases :)
[03:23] <sivang> jamesh: Vera sounds familair , what is it?
[03:24] <jamesh> sivang: the "Bitstream Vera" font family
[03:24] <jamesh> sivang: Bitstream donated it to the Gnome Foundation
[03:24] <jamesh> it was previously known as Bitstream Prima
[03:24] <sivang> jamesh: wow, tha'ts cool I didn\t know that
[03:24] <jamesh> "Prima Vera"
[03:25] <jamesh> sivang: http://www.gnome.org/fonts/
[03:25] <jamesh> Jim Gettys wanted to call it freedonia
[03:26] <sivang> what does freedonia mean? just a name?
[03:26] <sivang> (Prima Vera is something new or unique no?)
[03:26] <jamesh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedonia
[03:29] <sivang> jamesh: enlighting. Was it really trying to be a satire about New York?
[03:30] <kiko> sivang, a reference to spring, I imagine
[03:31] <jamesh> sivang: probably not.
[03:31] <jamesh> fake european countries aren't that uncommon
[03:31] <jamesh> like Molvania
[03:32] <jamesh> "A Land Untouched By Modern Dentistry"
[03:32] <sivang> hehe
[03:33] <jamesh> the travel guide for Molvania is very good
[03:35] <kiko> but noisy
[03:35] <sivang> noisy?
[03:36] <kiko> yes
[03:36] <kiko> jamesh?
[03:36] <kiko> do you think you could fix http://www.daa.com.au/mailman/listinfo/pygtk to point to the right archive location instead of http://localhost.localdomain/pipermail/pygtk/
[03:36] <kiko> or was that done intentionally?
[03:54] <jamesh> kiko: should be fixed now
[03:55] <jordi> mpt: the desktop I took the screenshot on was installed like 15 months ago.
[03:55] <jordi> Probably GNOME 2.6 at the time
[03:59] <kiko> thanks jamesh
[03:59] <kiko> jordi, it's totally broken, dude. those fonts are horrible.
[03:59] <jordi> kiko: dude
[03:59] <jordi> kiko: the Launchpad has been like ths for me since day one.
[03:59] <kiko> I'm not joking
[03:59] <jordi> Let's have a look in the desktop
[03:59] <kiko> your box is totally broken
[03:59] <jordi> ALL of them?
[04:00] <kiko> the distribution you're using, most likely
[04:01] <jordi> hmm
[04:01] <jordi> this box shows it ok
[04:01] <jordi> wtf
[04:03] <jamesh> the fonts requested in plone.css are "Lucida Grande",Verdana,Lucida,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif
[04:03] <jamesh> you might have an evil Verdana or Arial
[04:04] <jamesh> maybe russian
[04:04] <jordi> no, afaik I have no msttfcorefonts installed
[04:04] <jordi> let's see what I have here.
[04:04] <jamesh> not Microsoft fonts
[04:04] <jordi> epiphany's about:config seems exactly the same as the one in the office
[04:04] <jamesh> I've seen some systems that had some non-western fonts with the Microsoft names
[04:04] <jordi> so it's probably an evil font in my setup.
[04:05] <jordi> I have ttf-bistream-vera, ttf-dustin, ttf-freefont, ttf-opensymbol
[04:05] <jamesh> try running "fc-list Verdana file family style"
[04:05] <jamesh> and the same for Helvetica and Arial
[04:06] <jordi> none for Verdana
[04:06] <jamesh> you might be getting bitmap Helvetica, actually
[04:07] <jordi> nothing for Helvetica here (good desktop), I get results from xfonts in one of th broken boxes
[04:07] <jamesh> do you have DOM inspector installed?
[04:07] <jordi> in firefox?
[04:07] <jamesh> it can be useful for testing issues like this
[04:08] <jordi> I'm using ephy anywahy
[04:09] <jamesh> anyway
[04:09] <jamesh> if you have anything matching Lucida Grande, Verdana, Lucida, Helvetica or Arial, then you won't get Bitstream Vera Sans
[04:10] <jordi> I get hits for Helvetica yeah.
[04:10] <jordi> So ubuntu does not install xfonts-*-transcoded or anything?
[04:12] <jamesh> we should probably be overriding the font choice from plone.css to just "sans serif"
[04:12] <jordi> jamesh: I believe it's pretty common for people to have these fonts installed
[04:12] <jamesh> assume the user has set up their browser how they like it
[04:14] <jordi> jamesh: hmm
[04:15] <jordi> this box has xfonts-* installed too
[04:15] <jordi> and it works.
[04:15] <jordi> I don't understand
[04:15] <jordi> I haven't changed any font setting.
[04:15] <jamesh> jordi: does the "fc-list" command give different results for the various font family names?
[04:16] <jamesh> if you were using firefox or Mozilla, I'd suggest trying the DOM inspector to fiddle with the CSS and see if it helps
[04:27] <jordi> jamesh: I will, when I'm back in a broken box
[04:28] <jordi> here it's working ok
[04:28] <jordi> NOT thanks to kiko!
[04:28] <jordi> kiko: dude!
[04:28] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] HideObscureLanauges dump (patch-2224: [email protected])
[04:43] <kiko> what did I do now
[04:50] <jordi> bashed my distro, which is cool!
[05:02] <jamesh> jordi: it looks fine in Safari. You should use MacOS X
[05:02] <jordi> heh
[05:12] <jamesh> kiko: would you be able to post a copy of the pending reviews page to the launchpad-reviews mailing list sometime, so I can see if there is anything that needs doing tomorrow?
[05:15] <jamesh> salgado: replied to your reply to my review
[05:20] <salgado> jamesh, now I see your point about BugTaskSet.search().
[05:20] <salgado> we'll probably want to search for "bugs assigned directly to me or to any team that I'm a member of" and for "only bugs assigned directly assigned to me"
[05:21] <salgado> oops, there's an extra assigned there
[05:22] <jamesh> that distinction doesn't seem as important as the "bugs assigned to me/my team" and "bugs reported on my products/packages"
[05:22] <salgado> indeed
[05:22] <jamesh> given that bug tasks start out without an assignee
[05:24] <salgado> so, you'd prefer that doing a .search() with an assignee returns all bug tasks assigned to you/your-teams?
[05:24] <salgado> I think this is reasonable, but it probably deserves some discussion
[05:30] <jamesh> yeah. I think "assigned to me" and "assigned to my team" should probably be treated the same
[05:57] <ddaa> sheesh... importd-archivelocation is annoying... I end up doing some significant refactorings, even though I know I should separate them...
[05:57] <ddaa> (refactoring = mostly deleting big chunks of obsolete crap)
[06:16] <kiko> jamesh, I believe the only person who has added stuff to pending reviews is mark
[06:53] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] HideObscureLanauges.sql in pending (patch-2225)
[07:28] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] DistributionMilestone.sql patch in pending (patch-2226: [email protected])
[07:49] <dholbach> hi
[07:51] <salgado> hi dholbach
[07:51] <dholbach> i recall having asked this already, but i can't remember the answer - is there any possibility to add one mail adress to a team? so we could 1) show who's in a team 2) make sure we route all the team's bugs to a mailing list, so nobody gets annoyed by 600 bug mails (in case of MOTU / universe)
[07:51] <dholbach> hey salgado :)
[07:53] <salgado> dholbach, you can add an email to a team. if you go to the team page you should see a link there to do this
[07:54] <dholbach> oh cool
[07:54] <dholbach> i'll investigate
[07:54] <salgado> but I don't understand what you mean in 1)
[07:54] <dholbach> i wouldnt want to chuck out people of a team because they dont want to get the mails :)
[07:54] <dholbach> it's ok, if i can attach a mailing list
[07:56] <salgado> ah, ok. the link is called "Edit Contact Address", btw
[07:56] <salgado> as with all email addresses in Launchpad, though, we have to validate a mailing list address
[07:57] <salgado> to do that we have to send an email to the mailing list and one of the members of the mailing list will have to validate it
[07:57] <dholbach> ok, super
[08:07] <salgado> jamesh, around?
[08:07] <salgado> (I guess not, but anyway...)
[08:42] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: bug page cleanups and auto-alt-language [r=carlos] (patch-2227: [email protected])
[08:52] <jordi> carlos: ping
[08:52] <carlos> jordi, pong
[08:52] <jordi> carlos: should I talk about "Non-Members", "Members" and "Admins", or s/Member/Editor/g?
[08:53] <jordi> also, besides accepting new members, do team admins do anything else?
[08:54] <carlos> jordi, well, I suppose that you should make clear that a Member is an editor as the team membership pages talk about members not editors
[08:54] <carlos> jordi, no, admins just accept/reject people, nothing more
[08:54] <jordi> I have talked about members all the time
[08:54] <salgado> jordi, team admins can demote other team admins
[08:54] <salgado> change team information and stuff like that, too
[08:55] <carlos> jordi, but the concept of a member of a translation team is not the same and would be confusing
[08:55] <jordi> carlos: hmm.
[08:55] <jordi> have a look at my diff, let's see how to word it
[08:55] <carlos> you should make it clear that you don't need to be a member of the ubuntu-l10n-XX team to translate, it's just a QA team
[08:55] <jordi> salgado: I guess it's not FAQ what admins do exactly
[08:55] <jordi> carlos: nod
[08:56] <jordi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RosettaFAQ?action=diff
[08:56] <carlos> salgado, we talk more about what rights you get in Rosetta as a team admin
[08:57] <salgado> oh, I see
[08:58] <carlos> jordi, What's the difference between a 'Team Admin', a 'Team Member' and a 'Non Member'...
[08:58] <carlos> jordi, that title is better
[08:58] <jordi> ok
[08:58] <jordi> what about the rest?
[08:59] <carlos> jordi, perfect
[08:59] <carlos> I think you can leave it as it's
[09:00] <jordi> I love when you say that :)
[09:00] <carlos> and we will fix anything that would confuse our users later
[09:00] <carlos> jordi, :-D
[09:00] <jordi> mmkay. If you have a minute, I'd like to look at xqf.
[09:01] <jordi> it's in a very messy state afaict
[09:01] <jordi> I got a system error while playing with it :)
[09:01] <salgado> spiv, what will happen if we allow people to change/remove their wiki.ubuntu.com wikiname entries?
[09:05] <stub> lifeless: ping
[09:06] <carlos> jordi, hmm I'm a bit busy atm
[09:06] <carlos> jordi, would we talk later?
[09:06] <jordi> sure
[09:06] <jordi> after my pizza :)
[09:09] <carlos> jordi, I will arrive to Valencia on Monday evening, if you want, we could have a meeting on Tuesday in my house
[09:09] <spiv> salgado: They won't be able to login to the wiki.
[09:09] <spiv> salgado: We need to ensure that all users always have a wikiname for UBUNTU_WIKI.
[09:11] <jordi> carlos: sure
[09:12] <carlos> jordi, anyway remind me the xqf issue later and I will take a look at it when I get a break.
[09:12] <carlos> jordi, even better, send me an email with the problem so I can take a look even if you are not around
[09:19] <jordi> I'd rather have a look
[09:19] <jordi> with you, there might be a permissions issue too
[09:24] <carlos> jordi, did you get your canonical/ubuntu email address?
[09:24] <carlos> jordi, I want to send the annoucement today
[09:25] <jordi> not yet, because my contract is taking it's time to get there
[09:25] <jordi> it seems.
[09:25] <carlos> oh...
[09:25] <jordi> nod... if you can delay it until at least tomorrow.
[09:25] <jordi> I could try to get it faxed for Claire at least
[09:25] <jordi> If I find a public fax
[09:25] <jordi> I wasn't lucky today.
[09:26] <carlos> jordi, do you have a scanner?, email should be enough...
[09:26] <jordi> hmm
[09:26] <jordi> yeah, I was abotu to say that.
[09:26] <jordi> I will do that tomorrow
[09:33] <carlos> jordi, elmo will add your email alias later today
[09:34] <jordi> ok
[09:52] <jordi> sivang: in the end, you contacted Yaviv Abir and told him about the Hebrew team?
[09:52] <jordi> sivang: ie, can I ignore his request=
[09:52] <sivang> jordi: yes, I already added him to the team :)
[09:52] <jordi> great
[09:53] <lifeless> kiko - yes
[10:01] <salgado> spiv, do you think it makes sense to enforce (with a DB constraint, probably) that all persons have only one wikiname with the ubuntu url?
[10:04] <spiv> salgado: Well, (wiki, wikiname, person) probably should be unique, regardless of which wiki it is :)
[10:05] <salgado> spiv, sure. I was thinking about making (person, wiki) unique. or at least make that unique it wiki == UBUNTU_WIKI
[10:05] <spiv> salgado: (person, wiki), yeah.
[10:06] <spiv> salgado: Definitely it needs to be unique where wiki == UBUNTU_WIKI, but I don't see any reason not to make it unique for all wikis.
[10:07] <salgado> spiv, agreed
[10:08] <salgado> I'll create the patch and merge as a [trivial] . (that's the rule during sprints, no?) :P
[10:09] <spiv> salgado: haha
[10:09] <spiv> salgado: I'd be happy to review it :P
[10:10] <spiv> salgado: I think the rule during sprints is [rs=bazSMASH!] ;)
[10:12] <salgado> heh. I'll use it, then
[10:12] <salgado> seriously, I'll try to find a free branch here and do this
[10:13] <salgado> btw, there's a question I always wanted to ask, about pqm. is it possible to tell pqm to do a 'baz replay' instead of a 'baz merge'?
[10:13] <salgado> I mean, will pqm accept that as a valid command or that bastard will tell me the command is not valid?
[10:13] <lifeless> yes
[10:14] <lifeless> but you should only do that for merges to production branches, which is istub and I only
[10:15] <salgado> why I can't do that to merge into rocketfuel's --devel?
[10:15] <lifeless> because you will bork your ability to merge from that branch after that.
[10:15] <lifeless> and create cherry-picked situations
[10:15] <salgado> ah, I see
[10:15] <lifeless> its not a technical limitation per se, its a policy onme.
[10:16] <lifeless> why ?
[10:16] <lifeless> thats r=spiv btw
[10:17] <salgado> I usually have some branches that I'm working on, and sometimes I want to make a trivial change but I can't
[10:17] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/arch-pqm--main--0: fix web ui to show only actual commands in scripts, not just the gpg foo (patch-23: [email protected])
[10:17] <salgado> because all branches have unmerged changesets
[10:17] <lifeless> salgado: so make it, then do undo and redo it later. or put it on your trivial-fixes branch or something
[10:18] <lifeless> if its /really/ trivial you can actually send a plain patch to pqm
[10:18] <salgado> hmmmm. that's good
[10:18] <salgado> tell me more. :)
[10:19] <salgado> how do I do that?
[10:21] <lifeless> the script needs to look like:
[10:21] <lifeless> patch [email protected]/foo--bar--0
[10:21] <lifeless> --- blarh
[10:21] <lifeless> +++blarh
[10:21] <lifeless> .. rest of patch content here
[10:21] <lifeless> clearsign that and send to the pqm address as normat
[10:21] <lifeless> *normal*
[10:21] <spiv> lifeless: Nice.
[10:21] <salgado> lifeless, cool. ta
[10:21] <lifeless> subject becomes the commit message as normal.
[10:22] <salgado> lifeless, btw, when you said "if its /really/ trivial", were you suggesting that we may have some not-so-trivial merges going in? :P
[10:22] <lifeless> dude, we definately have non trivial [trivial] patches occuring.
[10:22] <spiv> We should just give up and introduce [sprint] ;)
[10:23] <lifeless> /no/
[10:48] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/arch-pqm--main--0: r=spiv incorporate kikos time foo so that we show timestamps in the ui (patch-24: [email protected])
[11:01] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/arch-pqm--main--0: [trivial] show the current time in the web ui (patch-25: [email protected])
[11:19] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] tweaks to improve usability of color scheme (patch-2228: [email protected])
[11:31] <mpt> cprov?
[11:39] <jordi> is he having dinner or soemthing?
[11:39] <mpt> No, he's hacking
[11:39] <mpt> no, he's editing a spec
[11:39] <carlos> jordi, mpt with a spec
[11:40] <carlos> jordi, tell me
[11:40] <mpt> mpt with a candlestick
[11:41] <jordi> carlos: when you're free for 5 mins, tell me
[11:41] <carlos> ok
[11:41] <jordi> or if it's going to be a long while, tell me too and I'll go to sleep ;)
[11:43] <carlos> I think we have a break on 5 minutes
[11:54] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] Gina band-aid (patch-2229: [email protected])
[11:55] <Mez> only owneers of a group can make someone an administrator right/
[11:57] <salgado> Mez, right
[11:57] <Mez> fair enough
[11:57] <Mez> how cna you tell who the ownder is
[11:58] <salgado> you should be able to see that in the team's page
[11:58] <mpt> Mez: It's printed on the team's page
[11:58] <Mez> ah kk
[11:58] <mpt> (attack of the invisible portlets!)
[11:59] <salgado> poor portlets. nobody looks at them
[11:59] <mpt> lonely and unloved
[11:59] <carlos> jordi, ping
[12:00] <carlos> Mez, other administrators can too
[12:00] <Mez> carlos: no they cant
[12:00] <carlos> salgado, or did you changed that?
[12:00] <salgado> carlos, if we're talking about regular teams, then they can't
[12:00] <salgado> and it's been like this since always
[12:01] <carlos> salgado, hmmm, good to know it...
[12:01] <carlos> salgado, I suppose that's the problem of being a superadmin...
[12:01] <carlos> you don't know exactly how the rights are...
[12:03] <salgado> carlos, eh? I'm not following you
[12:04] <mpt> salgado: He means if you're a Launchpad Admin (like carlos is and I'm not), you don't often get to see what Launchpad is like for a non-admin
[12:04] <carlos> mpt, that's it
[12:05] <mpt> so you get fuzzy on what non-admins can't do
[12:05] <salgado> ah, I see. /me was wondering what would be a superadmin
[12:05] <salgado> maybe someone who's admin of a lot of teams, like carlos? :P
[12:06] <carlos> salgado, and admin of a team is not the same as the admin of launchpad
[12:06] <carlos> :-)
[12:06] <salgado> so, one question for you, carlos
[12:06] <jordi> carlos: here
[12:06] <salgado> what's the point of being an admin of the Launchpad Admins team?
[12:07] <carlos> salgado, being able to bypass some restrictions we added for normal users?
[12:07] <carlos> jordi, tell me
[12:07] <carlos> salgado, all launchpad.Admin protected pages are available to Launchpad Admins
[12:08] <jordi> carlos: I tried to cleanup xqf, as it apparently has a "main" branch but it appears to be broken
[12:08] <jordi> - when I tried to add a branch, I got a system error. PRobably because a branch named "main" already existed
[12:08] <salgado> carlos, you already get that if you're only a member of the team. my point was that there's no point in having administrators on that team
[12:09] <lifeless> jordi: so, edit the existing branch rather than adding a new one.
[12:09] <jordi> lifeless: my second point: I can't, apparently.
[12:09] <elmo> jordi: your email exists, jordi@ and jordi.mallach@
[12:09] <lifeless> salgado: we could have WEGSNA permission on the launchpad.admins team
[12:09] <jordi> elmo: thanks!
[12:09] <jordi> elmo: is it a redirection, or is it a real mail server?
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2005-08-09-#kubuntu
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[12:07] <ray_> so how do you guys run counterstrike...with cedega?
[12:07] <mart> CellarDoor: you might get some luck running gnome-control-<mumble>
[12:08] <ray_> mart: sorry....man
[12:08] <Sputn1k> When i trying to load win partition i get mount: unknown filesystem type 'ntfs', how can i install ntfs mode?
[12:09] <mart> ray_: no problem, I didn't realise you were replying to him, because you replied so fast!
[12:09] <Sputn1k> i mean module not mode
[12:09] <CellarDoor> its kde thats the problem, i don't really care if i can't get gnome apps to look better, I just thought It would be nice
[12:09] <ray_> mart: i should have mad myself more clear
[12:10] <ray_> CellarDoor: i cant believe kde looks bad for you....and how do you set your screen to hi-res?
[12:10] <CellarDoor> its the fonts that look bad
[12:10] <jpatrick> then change them
[12:10] <mart> CellarDoor: do they look bad when you first log in, or only after you run a gnome app?
[12:11] <CellarDoor> change screen res in control centre-peripherals-display
[12:11] <ray_> cool
[12:12] <CellarDoor> they look bad fullstop - fiddling with anti-aliasing in the control centre does nothing
[12:14] <mart> CellarDoor: I guess you've seen the "you need to restart applications for font settings to take effect" (or something) dialog box
[12:15] <CellarDoor> yeah been there done that
[12:16] <ray_> you guys read the new tux
[12:17] <ray_> ?
[12:17] <CellarDoor> nope
[12:17] <CellarDoor> whats that
[12:18] <ray_> its and online magazine that is sent through email as pdf........they have a good article about the advantages of using debian and ubuntu/kubuntu
[12:18] <CellarDoor> ah rite
[12:18] <ray_> bye
[12:21] <frank_> what do the new kde 3.4.2 packages fix?
[12:23] <CellarDoor> dunno
[12:23] <CellarDoor> I'm adding repo so I can get it
[12:24] <CellarDoor> maybe It will fix my fonts ;)
[12:24] <apokryphos> frank_: bugs
[12:24] <CellarDoor> lol
[12:24] <frank_> apokryphos: bugs from the last 3.4.2?
[12:24] <frank_> does kcontrol work better?
[12:24] <apokryphos> frank_: no, from 3.4.1
[12:25] <frank_> apokryphos: there is a second version of 3.4.2 out today
[12:25] <apokryphos> if you're talking about the newer packages in the *kubuntu* repository (as opposed to the old ones), then it's just going to be package-related fixes
[12:25] <frank_> well 36 packages changed today
[12:26] <apokryphos> See the individual package changelogs for more info
[12:26] <frank_> apokryphos: the changelogs are not there
[12:27] <apokryphos> frank_: erm, of course they are. Whether they are documented to note the fixes is another issue
[12:28] <frank_> Failed to fetch the changelog for karm
[12:28] <frank_> URI was: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/k/kdepim/kdepim_3.4.2-0ubuntu0hoary2/changelog
[12:29] <apokryphos> frank_: I did say check the individual package changelogs... use apt/synaptic/kynaptic/kpackage
[12:29] <apokryphos> Ok, not actually sure if Kynaptic can do it actually
[12:30] <frank_> I'm using synaptic. That's where the error came from. I tried "Download changelog" for karm
[12:31] <apokryphos> it doesn't display the changelog in kynaptic?
[12:31] <apokryphos> you're also only checking kdepim
[12:31] <apokryphos> and it doesn't look like there's been another 3.4.2 version of kdepim
[12:32] <apokryphos> ok, looks like there is, but the changelog isn't showing on that site
[12:33] <sy> does anyone know how to compile files
[12:33] <sy> in linux
[12:33] <frank_> I don't think kynaptic can see changelogs but I use synaptic all the time anyways. yeah I know there are no changelongs for any of the new packages as far as I can tell
[12:33] <apokryphos> sy: do you know how to Google? :)
[12:33] <mart> frank_: there are always changelogs for packages
[12:33] <mart> kdepim (4:3.4.2-0ubuntu2)
[12:34] <mart> Add kubuntu_07_korganiser_libraries.diff fix compile order
[12:34] <mart> Add kubuntu_08_kmail_attachments.diff fix empty attachments http://bugs.k
[12:34] <mart> de.org/109003
[12:34] <frank_> mart: how did you get that?
[12:35] <mart> er, I've got the update and read /usr/share/doc/karm/changelog.Debian.gz but it's also at http://packages.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/k/kdepim/kdepim_3.4.2-0ubuntu1/changelog
[12:35] <mart> actually, er....
[12:37] <mart> that's for breezy, but I guess the packages contain the same fixes
[12:37] <mart> see also http://kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_4_1to3_4_2.php
[12:38] <apokryphos> mart: he's looking for only the changes in the 3.4.2 packages produced originally, and the ones today
[12:38] <apokryphos> Synaptic doesn't show changelogs like I thought it did... I seem to view them fine in KPackage though
[12:39] <frank_> mart: I already had kde 3.4.2 in hoary. But today, it changed again. I'd like to know what changed between 3.4.2-0ubuntu0-hoary1 and 3.4.2-0ubuntu0-hoary2
[12:39] <mart> frank_: have you downloaded it already?
[12:39] <frank_> mart: yeah but not installed
[12:40] <sy> yes i know how to google
[12:40] <mart> frank_: oh, easiest thing is to install then read the unpacked changelog
[12:40] <mart> sy: you didn't say what you wanted to compile
[12:40] <mart> just 'files'
[12:40] <sy> and i have looked all over the place but when i get the file where do i download it to my deskto
[12:41] <frank_> mart: I know... but usually you can know before what changed
[12:41] <sy> desktop*
[12:41] <apokryphos> sy: read the "INSTALL" file that should come with the package, inside the tar
[12:42] <sy> ok thanks
[12:42] <sy> i am kinda new to kubuntu
[12:42] <sy> or linux
[12:43] <apokryphos> sy: no worries. Check the file provided, it has instructions and a description
[12:43] <apokryphos> sy: and, what is it that you're trying to compile?
[12:44] <frank_> sy: It's not often that you really need to compile stuff
[12:44] <foobrain> Hello
[12:44] <foobrain> Very impressive linux dist
[12:44] <lgsobalvarro> hello foobrain
[12:45] <foobrain> May I ask what compiler I should install?
[12:45] <foobrain> I want to be able to build glib for instance
[12:45] <mart> build-essential is a good bet
[12:45] <foobrain> mostly because firefox wont install without it :)
[12:45] <lgsobalvarro> footbrain install glib, automake, make...
[12:46] <frank_> foobrain: you can get firefox with apt-get or synaptic
[12:46] <mart> foobrain: you're compiling firefox?
[12:46] <sy> well i am kinda dumb
[12:46] <frank_> sy: what is it you want to install?
[12:46] <equex> hi i am trying to make OpenGL work with X. seems i cannot achieve Direct Rendering. I got about 70 fps with glgears and then i trid to set useinternalAGPgart to TRUE then i got about 10x better framerate, stil it sucks and cant even be used for screensavers
[12:47] <foobrain> mart: I get an error message when trying to run firefox-install
[12:47] <sy> airsnort
[12:47] <foobrain> frank_: how would I go about getting firefox with apt-get or synaptic? heh
[12:47] <mart> foobrain: what's wrong with the packaged firefox? why are you trying to compile it?
[12:48] <foobrain> mart: I'm not trying to compile it, I'm trying to install it... or am I doing it wrong?
[12:48] <sy> i love linux and how smooth
[12:48] <sy> it is
[12:48] <frank_> !repositories
[12:48] <ubotu> rumour has it, repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto, or repos
[12:48] <frank_> foobrain: check out this link, then use synaptic to install stuff
[12:48] <frank_> sy: same thing for you too
[12:48] <apokryphos> foobrain: firefox is in the Ubuntu repositories, there's a binary, so there's no need to install it from the package provided at mozilla.org
[12:49] <apokryphos> foobrain: just sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[12:49] <sy> thanks guys
[12:51] <foobrain> eh, which is best, the synaptic or apt-get?
[12:52] <foobrain> I'm confused... hehe
[12:52] <foobrain> silly me
[12:52] <foobrain> will the ubuntu repo allow me to install dev apps?
[12:52] <foobrain> another question, what
[12:52] <foobrain> 's the default root pw?
[12:53] <foobrain> I can't recall setting one when I installed the os
[12:53] <apokryphos> Synaptic and APT are the same thing. Synaptic is just the GUI front-end of apt
[12:53] <foobrain> oh, roger that
[12:53] <apokryphos> There is no root password in Ubuntu
[12:53] <apokryphos> !rootsudo
[12:53] <ubotu> somebody said rootsudo was at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:54] <foobrain> aha... interesting
[12:54] <apokryphos> Install dev apps...? What?
[12:56] <foobrain> so I can compile and code and stuff
[12:57] <apokryphos> yes, of course
[12:57] <foobrain> I just noticed
[12:57] <foobrain> very cool
[12:58] <foobrain> kubuntu called it Kynaptic instead of synaptic... confusing
[12:58] <apokryphos> They're different programs
[12:58] <foobrain> ok
[01:00] <wellso> i still prefer synaptic
[01:00] <apokryphos> Kynaptic is very primitive
[01:00] <foobrain> where can I find synaptic then?
[01:00] <foobrain> is it gnome only or... ?
[01:01] <apokryphos> not entirely usable, even, I think. If you need to use a GUI KDE front-end use KPackage
[01:01] <frank_> install synaptic with kynaptic]
[01:01] <foobrain> ... it's that easy ey?
[01:01] <foobrain> kool
[01:01] <wellso> i just type sudo synaptic
[01:01] <frank_> synaptic works perfectly in kde too
[01:01] <apokryphos> wellso: you should *never* run GUI apps with plain sudo
[01:01] <wellso> kdesu
[01:01] <wellso> lol still trying remember that one
[01:02] <apokryphos> =)
[01:02] <frank_> synaptic ends up in the kde system menu
[01:02] <apokryphos> frank_: it's just about bearable once you have the gtk-qt package
[01:03] <frank_> apokryphos: I don't even have that, does it work well?
[01:03] <apokryphos> Very well, yes. You should definitely get it. Any GTK apps (if you use any) are pretty ugly otherwise
[01:04] <frank_> apokryphos: I know, they are... but it didn't really bother me but more consistency would be nice
[01:04] <wellso> has it got a package in the rep.?
[01:04] <apokryphos> Yes. gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[01:05] <wellso> thanks mate
[01:05] <apokryphos> I think they might make that a default package installed for Kubuntu. They sure should.
[01:05] <apokryphos> you can then modify the settings for GTK apps in kcontrol, btw.
[01:07] <frank_> apokryphos: does it pretty up firefox too?
[01:07] <frank_> apokryphos: I mean the save dialog
[01:07] <apokryphos> To some degree, sure. The package makes it so that all GTK apps use teh Qt style/windec
[01:13] <_frank> apokryphos: I installed gtk-qt engine but I don't see any difference in synaptic. I restarted kde since then. anything else I need to do?
[01:14] <apokryphos> _frank: check the settings from kcontrol
[01:15] <Douglas> so let's say I upgraded to weezy on my laptop and it broke everything, how do I downgrade again?
[01:16] <apokryphos> Douglas: things *are* broken in breezy. X is currently broken, I believe.
[01:16] <apokryphos> To downgrade you'd have to do a few force installs with dpkg I guess. Would be quite a big hassle, I'd imagine.
[01:17] <wellso> could you recover your stuff with the live CD and re-install?
[01:17] <_frank> apokryphos: Ok I got synaptic to change but it looks worse. It doesn't look like my other kde app either.
[01:17] <apokryphos> _frank: did you make it use the current Qt theme/windec/font?
[01:17] <_frank> yeah
[01:17] <Douglas> seriously, that blows, and makes me sad.
[01:18] <_frank> as far as the kcontrol settings go yeah
[01:18] <apokryphos> it's not going to look like them, but it will use the same KDE theme and windec. Are you saying it's not?
[01:18] <wellso> Douglas: whats broken
[01:18] <wellso> ?
[01:18] <Douglas> X seems to be broken for starters.
[01:18] <Douglas> so just apt-get install xorg --force
[01:18] <_frank> Well the basic "empty space" color is different so I don't think its using the same
[01:18] <Douglas> or something?
[01:18] <Douglas> I changed my sources.list back.
[01:19] <wellso> that would be my plan of attack but I dont really know much about linux
[01:19] <apokryphos> That won't really do anything, since apt always looks for the latest version.
[01:19] <Douglas> oh, can I force it to downgrade a single package?
[01:20] <Douglas> hey, could I do, apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop or something like that then re add it?
[01:20] <apokryphos> with dpkg, I believe you can, yeah.
[01:20] <wellso> could apt remove the package and then re-install from the terminal
[01:21] <Douglas> Because I did it to my desktop box to but I havn't reboot yet.
[01:21] <Douglas> :)
[01:21] <Douglas> the laptop however just pooped all over itself
[01:21] <Douglas> when I rebooted it.
[01:21] <apokryphos> you could use dpkg --install --force-overwrite {somepackage}.deb
[01:21] <wellso> are u running breezy on both?
[01:21] <Douglas> I'll try some stuff but I'll probably just reinstall later
[01:22] <apokryphos> Douglas: reinstalling is probably the best option
[01:22] <Douglas> I was, but I changed my sources.list back to hoary and did an apt-get update and and apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:22] <Douglas> damn, that makes me super sad.
[01:22] <Douglas> I'll work on it.
[01:22] <Douglas> Thanks everytone.
[01:25] <_frank> apokryphos: I got rid of the gtk-qt thing. I like it better this way
[01:26] <apokryphos> _frank: I'm kind of wondering if you've got it right, since GTK apps are super ugly without it
[01:26] <apokryphos> not quite sure how you'd get it wrong though...
[01:26] <foobrain> super ugly?
[01:26] <foobrain> what makes them look better?
[01:26] <apokryphos> The style is hard to look at, yes.
[01:26] <_frank> apokryphos: it was even worse
[01:26] <apokryphos> The change in style, and the window decoration. Looks like I'm properly running a GUI app, should I ever venture into it
[01:27] <apokryphos> how exactly would it be *worse*? Are you saying that your KDE theme is bad?
[01:27] <foobrain> what should I install to make them look better?
[01:27] <apokryphos> maybe you shoulda pulled in a screeny...
[01:27] <apokryphos> foobrain: gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[01:27] <_frank> apokryphos: I'm using plastik as theme and synaptic was not using that
[01:27] <foobrain> apokryphos: where do I find that? I didn't find it in Synaptic
[01:28] <apokryphos> _frank: then something apparently went wrong
[01:28] <apokryphos> foobrain: it's in Universe. You'll have to add that repository. See...
[01:28] <apokryphos> !repositories
[01:28] <ubotu> methinks repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto, or repos
[01:29] <apokryphos> heh, someone left the comma there
[01:30] <apokryphos> ubotu: no repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:30] <ubotu> apokryphos: okay
[01:30] <apokryphos> Ok. Also just realised those are made for gnomers
[01:31] <apokryphos> foobrain: basically, just edit /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment (remove the "#") from the line that has "Universe"
[01:32] <foobrain> ok, let me try that
[01:33] <apokryphos> You will need to have root permissions to edit the file. So alt+f2 -> kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:33] <apokryphos> err.... alt+f2 -> kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:33] <foobrain> ty
[01:34] <foobrain> uncomment all lines with Universe in them+
[01:34] <foobrain> ?
[01:34] <apokryphos> yes
[01:34] <supernix> in windows if a programs run into trouble you can do ctrl+alt+delete what is the equivalent in linux ?
[01:36] <apokryphos> Ctrl+Esc for the processes running. Ctrl+Alt+Esc + Click to kill a program, or killall {appname} in konsole
[01:36] <apokryphos> these should only really be used as a last result
[01:39] <foobrain> is there a gallery somewhere that allows you to see the differences between qt and other themes?
[01:40] <foobrain> heh... google, sorry for the retarded q
[01:41] <apokryphos> Qt isn't a theme
[01:41] <apokryphos> It's a toolkit for C++
[01:41] <apokryphos> it's the toolkit that KDE uses
[01:41] <foobrain> yeah I know
[01:41] <apokryphos> many different *kde* themes at http://kdelook.org
[01:42] <foobrain> y
[01:42] <foobrain> ty
[01:42] <foobrain> what do I have to do to see the changes now that I've installed gtk2-engine-qt?
[01:43] <apokryphos> In theory, just restart the GTK app. In practice, it seems that a lot of people have had to restart KDE
[01:43] <foobrain> and how do I restart KDE? reboot?
[01:44] <apokryphos> foobrain: KMenu -> Logout
[01:44] <apokryphos> End Current Session
[01:44] <foobrain> ok
[01:45] <foobrain> can I install more gtk2 themes at the same time and somewhere choose which to use?
[01:46] <apokryphos> gtk themes are useful for GNOME... in KDE you only use KDE themes
[01:47] <foobrain> ok thx
[01:47] <foobrain> bbiab
[01:51] <beltranuser> hola
[01:52] <foobrain> fixed it
[01:53] <foobrain> had to select QT from "GTK Styles and Fonts" in the Control Center
[02:17] <sy> man i can not figure out how to install stuff
[02:18] <sy> can NY ONE TELL ME WHERE TO GO TO INSTALL STUFF
[02:19] <duende> Run synaptic or knaptic
[02:20] <apokryphos> sy: and quit shouting
[02:20] <sy> sorry i just fixed that
[03:13] <mark_> hi everyone, I'm having a problem with pam_ldap...
[03:13] <mark_> from /var/log/auth.log (client) "Invalid user maksym from ::ffff:127.0.0.1"
[03:13] <mark_> more info at: http://pastebin.com/328874
[03:14] <mark_> can someone help me?
[03:21] <supernix> Hi
[03:22] <supernix> I seem to have a KDE malfunction
[03:22] <supernix> I seem to have my Gnome and KDE trying to interoperate
[03:22] <supernix> I can't seem to adjust my wal paper
[03:27] <sy> do i have to go to konsole to in stall programs
[03:28] <supernix> sy you can use Kynaptic or Synaptic or Kpackage
[03:28] <spanglesontoast> is kde apps down?
[03:30] <sy> i am new to linux but it is kinda hard
[03:30] <sy> what do they do?
[03:30] <sy> help to install thing
[03:30] <sy> ?
[03:31] <spanglesontoast> someone get help for sy
[03:31] <spanglesontoast> :P
[03:33] <sy> i think i am just dumb
[03:35] <spanglesontoast> nah
[03:35] <spanglesontoast> it's just not the right time of the nite
[03:36] <bobbyd> is there a command line app to read the cpu temp?
[03:36] <sy> well i am really good with xp and i know xp inside and out
[03:36] <spanglesontoast> bet ya don't
[03:36] <spanglesontoast> popquiz
[03:36] <sy> what
[03:36] <bobbyd> sy, run synaptic to install programs
[03:36] <spanglesontoast> what is the name of activation file?
[03:36] <sy> for xp
[03:37] <spanglesontoast> yes
[03:37] <supernix> I seem to have my Gnome and KDE trying to interoperate
[03:37] <supernix> I can't seem to adjust my wallpaper
[03:37] <sy> pyypmdmqmf377wb7667jh9py8
[03:37] <spanglesontoast> er
[03:37] <spanglesontoast> that's a cd key
[03:38] <sy> lol
[03:38] <supernix> and my context menu when it pops up is the Gnome menu
[03:38] <spanglesontoast> not the name of the file
[03:38] <spanglesontoast> the correct name is .wpa
[03:43] <sy> bobbyd:
[03:43] <sy> bobbyd: do i have to compile it
[03:44] <bobbyd> sy, it's in the k-menu system->kynaptic
[03:44] <bobbyd> the gnome version 'synaptic' is a more mature app IMHO
[03:45] <bobbyd> you can install that using kynaptic
[03:47] <sy> ok found it and i want install airsnort
[03:50] <equex> could someone explained why the "Keyboard model" listbox is empty in Keyboard Layout in the control centre ?
[03:51] <equex> and i cant add keyboard layouts either
[03:51] <equex> can i add these manually by having multiple sections in xorg.conf ?
[03:52] <equex> i have a 104 key standard keyboard and it used to show before i upgradded KDE i think
[03:53] <equex> but then again i have also installed ati drivers, wich also messes with x
[03:54] <Kovecses> equex: whats the problem?
[03:55] <equex> KDE doesnt see what keyboard i have and can thus not add new keyboard layouts it seems. all the controls in the control panel are just not functioning and they are all empty (in the Keyboard layout section?
[03:55] <basit> can any tell me apt url for 5.10?
[03:55] <equex> )
[03:55] <Kovecses> somebody else had that problem
[03:56] <equex> yeah
[03:56] <Kovecses> ive installed the ati drivers and didnt have that problem
[03:56] <equex> makes me have to switch to windows to get actual work doe
[03:56] <equex> done
[03:56] <equex> :(
[03:56] <basit> is kubuntu 5.10 is there?
[03:57] <Kovecses> it doesnt detect it even on a fresh install?
[03:57] <equex> yes it worked perfectly before
[03:57] <equex> suddenly it broke
[03:58] <apokryphos> basit: it's not out, but it's in development.
[03:58] <apokryphos> !breezy
[03:58] <apokryphos> gah
[03:58] <Kovecses> so i would take time and do a fresh install and try and do everything the same....and see what you did that broke it
[03:58] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell basit about breezy
[03:58] <basit> apokryphos, can you tell me apt url to put it
[03:58] <basit> apokryphos, i'm already running ubuntu breezy
[03:58] <equex> Kovecses: hehe nope, i installed way too much to do that now
[03:59] <equex> need to fix it the hard way
[03:59] <equex> anyway
[03:59] <apokryphos> basit: many things are broken; and it's a huge mission to downgrade, but use it at your own peril. You just replace all entries of "hoary" with "breezy"
[03:59] <Kovecses> hmm...did you try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:59] <equex> yes Kovecses
[03:59] <equex> did not fix it
[04:00] <basit> apokryphos, i tried,
[04:00] <basit> but not found
[04:00] <apokryphos> basit: can you paste the exact error output?
[04:00] <basit> http://kubuntu.org/breezy-kde342/dists/breezy-updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz
[04:00] <basit> 404 not found
[04:00] <Kovecses> equex: can you type at all with it?
[04:00] <apokryphos> heh
[04:00] <basit> I probably is giving wrong url
[04:01] <basit> :)
[04:01] <apokryphos> basit: don't do it for kubuntu.org stuff
[04:01] <apokryphos> basit: it's hoary-specific
[04:01] <basit> hmm
[04:01] <basit> then?
[04:01] <equex> Kovecses: yes but only with english keymap. i need to be able to switch to norwegian keymap as well
[04:01] <apokryphos> basit: the other ones of course. Main, Universe, Multiverse...
[04:01] <basit> they don't have 3.4.2
[04:02] <Kovecses> equex: ahh ok
[04:02] <apokryphos> basit: yes, they do.
[04:02] <basit> i did apt-get install kde
[04:02] <equex> and now i *cant* add keymaps anymore, for some strange reason
[04:02] <Kovecses> equex: did you try kdesu kcontrol?
[04:02] <basit> kde: Depends: kde-core but it is not going to be installed
[04:02] <basit> Depends: kde-amusements but it is not going to be installed
[04:02] <equex> nope Kovecses
[04:02] <apokryphos> Hm, I see it hasn't been ported to breezy yet, then.
[04:02] <apokryphos> They obviously have no rush to do so, neither.
[04:03] <basit> yup
[04:03] <Kovecses> equex: are the options greyed out or simply not there?
[04:03] <basit> but xmms doesn't start in breezy
[04:03] <basit> :)
[04:03] <apokryphos> basit: why would you use xmms?
[04:03] <basit> abasit@basit:~$ xmms
[04:03] <basit> Message: device: default
[04:03] <basit> DBAudioLib ERROR: could not create shared memory for system data.
[04:03] <basit> apokryphos, it can play wma
[04:03] <basit> what else to use?
[04:03] <apokryphos> well, yeah, many things are gonna be broken.
[04:03] <equex> heh Kovecses
[04:04] <Kovecses> equex: how did you switch them before?
[04:04] <equex> i started kcontrol and for some reason knemo started.. that is a package i have had much problems with
[04:04] <basit> my touchpad is shaky 2.6.12
[04:04] <Kovecses> knemo? whats that
[04:04] <equex> Kovecses: i had it set up to switch with shift/contrl and i had an icon in the systray
[04:05] <equex> some network monitor app i think, i never asked for it
[04:05] <Kovecses> i dont even have that
[04:05] <equex> suddenly something depended in it and broke some other stuff (like kdevelop)
[04:05] <apokryphos> it's in KDE extragear; not installed by default.
[04:06] <Kovecses> somebody in this room has to know
[04:06] <equex> oh yeak kcontrol is what i was using Kovecses
[04:07] <apokryphos> Kovecses: know what?
[04:07] <Kovecses> equex: so when you go in there what happens
[04:08] <equex> Kovecses: when i go to Regional and Accesibilty -> Keyboard layout, i cannot add layouts
[04:08] <Kovecses> equex: are they there though
[04:08] <equex> no
[04:08] <equex> its all empty
[04:08] <equex> evenb the Keyboard Model list
[04:09] <equex> evertyhing else inkcontrol works, just not that page
[04:09] <apokryphos> sounds like something's wrong with your kdelibs-data package
[04:09] <Kovecses> equex: yeah try reinstalling that
[04:09] <equex> oh ofcourse ! <sob>
[04:09] <equex> ill try reinstalling that
[04:10] <apokryphos> upgrade to 3.4.2 if you haven't already
[04:10] <Kovecses> did you upgrade?
[04:10] <equex> i did
[04:10] <equex> probably after the fact
[04:11] <equex> can i just do dpgk reinstall kdelibs-data ?
[04:11] <equex> cant do it from synaptic, gotta reinstall the whole KDE it seems
[04:12] <equex> cannot mark just the lib for reinstall
[04:12] <apokryphos> equex: when did you install 3.4.2?
[04:12] <equex> two days ago maybe
[04:12] <apokryphos> You should sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[04:13] <equex> i think i lost the maps before that but i am not reallysure if it was that or the ATI driver that broke it
[04:13] <apokryphos> a few fixes to the packages were uploaded recently
[04:13] <equex> one of the two it was
[04:13] <equex> okay
[04:13] <apokryphos> nothing to do with the ATI, I'm sure.
[04:13] <equex> cccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccc
[04:13] <equex> gah
[04:13] <apokryphos> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -- if kde packages are "held back"
[04:13] <equex> i also have problems with keyboard hangups
[04:13] <equex> obviously
[04:15] <equex> nope i am all good and upgraded it seems
[04:15] <equex> Building dependency tree... Done
[04:15] <equex> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[04:15] <apokryphos> you must have upgraded them somehow in the last 24 hours or so, then...
[04:16] <apokryphos> kde-config --version gives 3.4.2, right?
[04:16] <equex> most likely
[04:16] <equex> yep
[04:16] <equex> and kde config 1.0
[04:18] <apokryphos> Try reinstalling kdelibs-data then. sudo apt-get install --reinstall kdelibs-data should do it, I believe
[04:18] <equex> LOL
[04:18] <equex> i dont even have knemo installed
[04:19] <equex> and yet it pops up when i start kcontrol
[04:19] <apokryphos> I believe teh package was broken some time ago
[04:19] <apokryphos> which means it could semi-install, and apt'll think it's not installed
[04:19] <equex> maybe install, and remove again
[04:19] <apokryphos> and since it's connected to kcontrol, I can see why it may pop-up (it's configurable from there)
[04:20] <apokryphos> Anyhow, I'm off to bed now. Good luck. =)
[04:20] <equex> Reinstallation of kdelibs-data is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
[04:20] <equex> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[04:20] <equex> oki :)
[04:21] <equex> thanks for the help so far
[04:21] <equex> didnt work from synaptic either
[04:22] <apokryphos> I'd check if you definitely have the same appropriate things in sources.list
[04:22] <apokryphos> the 3.4.2 repository; if it's a mirror, check that it's still functional
[04:35] <ralph1> Could someone help me check to insure that I have all the needed gpg packages installed and kmail configured properly to check signatures and retrive missing ones. Right now it is painfully slow, I have gpg sig retrival unchecked and a lot of times I just kill gpg.
[04:45] <_droid_> Thunderbird and enigmail works better
[05:04] <pvh> I am getting hard lockups under Kubuntu. Could I get some help diagnosing the problem? I have compiled a fairly decent list of symptoms.
[05:05] <pvh> The display freezes but the pointer keeps moving.
[05:05] <pvh> I can't Ctl-Alt-F1 to another screen.
[05:18] <pvh> Other symptoms include: Amarok finishes the current playing song but will not start the next.
[05:19] <pvh> I can ssh in and see xorg consuming all the CPU time, but cannot terminate it.
[05:20] <pvh> It seems to happen most often in Konq/Firefox, but I usually am using one or the other, so I can't say how significant that is.
[05:25] <supernix> Well in case you were not paying attention they have updated the KDE 3.4.2 with a release to fix God only knows what problems
[05:29] <PurpleMotion> Does anyone here have any experience with building kwin decos?
[05:29] <PurpleMotion> I've deisnged one, now I want to use it, heh...
[05:48] <luminerd> what is the tool that updates your X config again?
[05:48] <luminerd> sudo aptitude update-xorg or something?
[05:48] <TestMAD> !xorg
[05:48] <ubotu> TestMAD: I don't know
[05:48] <TestMAD> hmm
[05:48] <TestMAD> sorry..i cant remember off the top of my head
[05:49] <luminerd> ok :/ thanks
[06:03] <sy> hello all
[06:03] <luminerd> What might this mean in the log? I got a (II) Generic Mouse: ps2EnableDadtaReporting: succeeded. No core pointer. Fatal server error: failed to initialize core devices.
[06:09] <luminerd> http://pastebin.com/328961 Does anyone know what looks wrong with this part of my conf for a Kubuntu system with a PS/2 mouse?
[06:12] <supernix> Anyone know a good client that you can use that is like Emule ?
[06:13] <sy> do you use kynaptic to install airsnort
[06:13] <sy> ?
[06:13] <supernix> You can
[06:13] <supernix> or use Synaptic
[06:13] <sy> but how
[06:13] <supernix> They are both package managers
[06:14] <supernix> You just start it up enter your password when asked then refresh your sources then search for the program your looking for then choose mark for install
[06:15] <supernix> Or you can use apt-get if that is the correct syntax and do apt-get -i airsnort
[06:16] <sy> in the konsole
[06:16] <supernix> Yes
[06:16] <sy> well it is a tar.gz
[06:16] <luminerd> where's my mouse?!
[06:18] <supernix> ah thought you were using deb sources
[06:18] <supernix> I don't know how to install using tar.gz files
[06:18] <supernix> othernoob is pretty helpful if you see him
[06:19] <supernix> crimsum is very helpful as well
[06:19] <sy> is that a web page
[06:20] <supernix> you best /j #ubuntu and ask them there
[06:30] <_shawn_> hi
[06:31] <_shawn_> I can't get live365 strwams working with amarok with the xine engine? help? suggestions?
[06:31] <_shawn_> *streams
[06:51] <milksteak> _shawn_, I use VLC for most streams
[06:56] <bur[n] er> can anyone tell me how to change the dpi in KDE? in gnome it was 76 and wonderful... not sure what's going on here
[07:26] <arkie> i have 256MB RAM.....and 512MB swap....will increasing swap partition give me a perfomance boost?
[07:31] <paines> arkie: don't expect that
[07:31] <arkie> paines: why not:(
[07:31] <paines> because ram cannot be replaced with disc space
[07:32] <arkie> what if i decrease swap????
[07:35] <arkie> what if i decrease swap????
[07:35] <_shawn_> I'd say no
[07:38] <sproingie> is there a key in konqueror to give focus to the search combo box?
[07:39] <sproingie> i'm used to hitting ctrl-k in firefox, and it's driving me crazy not having the same in konq
[07:51] <vijayendra> hi all
[07:52] <vijayendra> i have install kubuntu on my compaq presario v2036 laptop
[07:52] <vijayendra> but here touch pad is not working properly
[07:53] <vijayendra> i cant able to click using touchpad
[07:53] <vijayendra> can any one pls help me
[07:53] <vijayendra> ?
[07:53] <arkie> hi there
[07:54] <arkie> sorry i dunno
[07:54] <vijayendra> hmm
[07:54] <vijayendra> k
[07:54] <arkie> K?
[07:54] <vijayendra> ok..
[07:55] <arkie> try suse 9.3 pro:)
[07:55] <vijayendra> what is suse 9.3
[07:55] <arkie> u dont know suse 9.3!
[07:55] <sirukin> www.suse.de
[07:55] <arkie> its a distro like kubuntu
[07:55] <sirukin> it's suse not "suse 9.3"
[07:55] <arkie> whatever......was referring to version
[07:56] <sirukin> SuSe is a commercial Linux distrobution based in germany iirc
[07:56] <arkie> its good for laptops
[07:56] <sirukin> it offers everything a workstation would need.
[07:56] <arkie> distribution not distrobution:)
[07:56] <arkie> yup yup
[07:56] <sirukin> mmmkay
[07:56] <sirukin> correct me again
[07:57] <arkie> BEST distro is Ark Linux
[07:57] <arkie> mmmkay is sapnish:)
[07:57] <sirukin> I'd say I've enjoyed kubuntu the most, but the most educational would be lfs
[07:57] <arkie> lfs? whats that?
[07:57] <sirukin> Linux From Scratch
[07:58] <sirukin> it's not really a "distribution" per se
[07:58] <sirukin> but it's more along the lines of what a Linux system *is*
[07:58] <arkie> thats for geeks....dont recommend such things here plz
[07:58] <sirukin> why
[07:58] <Elsidox> does anyone know how to change the home page in kon?
[07:58] <sirukin> windows users present?
[07:59] <PurpleMotion> damn, i impress myself
[07:59] <arkie> sirukin is a geek
[07:59] <sirukin> "go geek or go home"
[07:59] <sirukin> ;P
[07:59] <Elsidox> anyone?
[07:59] <PurpleMotion> is kde-look.org dead for anyone else?
[08:00] <arkie> yes elsidox.......
[08:00] <arkie> go to configure konq
[08:00] <arkie> nope....dead for u methinks:)
[08:00] <sirukin> hmm
[08:00] <Elsidox> arkie: ... I feel dumb. lol.
[08:00] <sirukin> you know that screen that comes up when you open konq?
[08:00] <arkie> u should be prud:)
[08:00] <sirukin> with the weird named stuff
[08:01] <Elsidox> arkie: I see it now that u tell me to open it. But when I opened it before I didnt notice it
[08:01] <PurpleMotion> have you tried it recently? cause i seem to be able to get anywhere else
[08:01] <arkie> hmmm....thats me doing magic on ur Pc:)
[08:01] <sirukin> like "home folder", "storage media", Network folders" and "settings"?
[08:01] <sirukin> well click settings
[08:01] <arkie> sirukin is from spain:)
[08:01] <Elsidox> arkie: lol. Well whatever the chase thanks. Now do you know how to remove the status of users from the tabs in kopete?
[08:02] <sirukin> I'm from Canada
[08:02] <arkie> i use gaim sorry:)
[08:02] <arkie> no ure from spain
[08:02] <arkie> ha ha
[08:02] <sirukin> heh
[08:02] <arkie> what does lol mean?
[08:02] <sirukin> loud out laugh
[08:03] <arkie> hmm
[08:03] <Elsidox> arkie: ist cool. Thanks.
[08:03] <arkie> welcome dear children:)
[08:04] <arkie> Ark linux is best distro on earth:)
[08:04] <arkie> anyone tried that?
[08:04] <arkie> its free......and 5 CDs!
[08:04] <arkie> looks like evryones asleep:)
[08:04] <Elsidox> lol
[08:05] <Elsidox> ive seen screenshots
[08:05] <arkie> try it.....the next release will be out this month
[08:05] <Elsidox> seriously?
[08:05] <arkie> aint that cooooooool!
[08:05] <arkie> YUP
[08:05] <arkie> and the new one is going to rock!
[08:05] <Elsidox> It looks like it has alot of tools id never use
[08:06] <arkie> yes but its ideal for both newbie & developer......lots of games!
[08:07] <Elsidox> im not a newb or a dev
[08:07] <Elsidox> =)
[08:07] <sirukin> games?
[08:07] <arkie> the what r u?
[08:07] <Elsidox> how do I get rid of that fugly intro screen when I open kon?
[08:07] <arkie> yes games....nice games u can play with ur sis:)
[08:08] <sirukin> hmm
[08:08] <Elsidox> arkie: an experienced user? heh
[08:08] <sirukin> well I'm out
[08:08] <sirukin> later
[08:08] <arkie> so so
[08:09] <arkie> elsidox whats ur age?
[08:10] <Elsidox> arkie: im 17
[08:11] <Elsidox> arkie: why do you ask
[08:15] <arkie> just like that:)
[08:15] <arkie> me 21:)
[08:15] <arkie> i'm elder than u:)
[08:15] <arkie> 17 and so much into linux...goood
[08:16] <kakalto> lol
[08:17] <kakalto> 17? old foegie!
[08:17] <kakalto> :P
[08:17] <PurpleMotion> http://www.daede.com/MyNewDesktop.jpg
[08:17] <PurpleMotion> :D
[08:19] <arkie> nice desktop purple:)
[08:19] <PurpleMotion> did the window deco myself
[08:19] <PurpleMotion> tyvm
[08:19] <arkie> but looks tooooooooo ugly:)
[08:19] <PurpleMotion> how can it be nice and look too ugly
[08:19] <PurpleMotion> im confused now
[08:20] <arkie> he he
[08:21] <arkie> i mean the wallpaper could be better:)
[08:21] <PurpleMotion> i like this wallpaper a lot actually.. you cant really see it, but there's a glass rose beside her
[08:22] <arkie> hmmm...u vulgar little guy:)
[08:22] <PurpleMotion> you're an odd one
[08:25] <arkie> lol
[08:54] <Kmorph> Hello
[08:56] <m0ns00n> Hey
[08:56] <m0ns00n> Any official developers here for kubuntu / ubuntu?
[08:58] <crimsun> ask in #kubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-devel
[09:01] <m0ns00n> oh
[09:30] <Sputn1k> i can't mount my win partition: jurgis@ubuntu:~$ dmesg | tail FAT: IO charset utf8 not found, how can i install IO charset utf8?... Help me please... :/
[09:32] <ralph1> Can anyone help with Kgpg. I do not seem to be able to delete keys, and I am unable to import keys. I am using kubuntu 5.04 updated to kde3.4.2
[09:32] <paines> Sputn1k, what did you type/do to mount it ?
[09:33] <Sputn1k> sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/windows/ -t vfat -o iocharset=utf8,umask=000
[09:33] <paines> Sputn1k, is it an kubuntu kernel, or self compiled ?
[09:33] <Sputn1k> self compiled
[09:34] <paines> Sputn1k, well seems like you forget to compiel nls_utf
[09:34] <paines> Sputn1k, well seems like you forget to compiel nls_utf8
[09:34] <Sputn1k> f***k
[09:34] <Sputn1k> now its too late?
[09:35] <Sputn1k> ?
[09:36] <paines> NO
[09:36] <paines> ups
[09:36] <paines> i mean no
[09:36] <paines> :)
[09:36] <Sputn1k> :)
[09:36] <Sputn1k> so how can i do that?
[09:36] <paines> just enable the nls_utf8 as module
[09:36] <paines> do make
[09:36] <paines> make modules_install
[09:36] <Sputn1k> modprobe nls_utf8?
[09:36] <paines> that should do it
[09:36] <Sputn1k> oh
[09:36] <paines> yes
[09:44] <Elsidox> does anyone know how to make .nfo files?
[10:08] <Imrahil> where is a good place to find info on ept?
[10:09] <PurpleMotion> the Error Proof Test?
[10:09] <PurpleMotion> drug store.
[10:10] <PurpleMotion> do you mean apt?
[10:12] <Imrahil> ept, i saw it mentioned as a kde replacement for synaptic kyaptic, etc
[10:15] <PurpleMotion> oh i dunno
[10:15] <PurpleMotion> never heard of it
[10:15] <PurpleMotion> i use apt-get heh
[10:22] <OculusAquilae> hi Sputn1k: have you get your X work yesterday, too?
[10:23] <Sputn1k> Yeah
[10:23] <Sputn1k> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/Official_nVidia
[10:23] <Sputn1k> this very helped me
[10:23] <OculusAquilae> me too
[10:23] <Sputn1k> :)
[10:24] <OculusAquilae> now i can finally try these shadows icculus implemented in ut2k4 :-)
[10:25] <Sputn1k> O.o
[10:25] <Sputn1k> ut2k4 wtf?
[10:26] <OculusAquilae> a game
[10:26] <OculusAquilae> :-)
[10:57] <SpaceminD> hi there
[10:57] <SpaceminD> can any one help me to solve some problem in my kubuntu instalation on my laptop ?
[10:58] <OculusAquilae> hi SpaceminD
[10:58] <OculusAquilae> perhaps
[10:58] <OculusAquilae> whats your problem
[10:58] <SpaceminD> my kubuntu installation crashes when it try to detect and start pc card services, at 98%
[10:59] <OculusAquilae> have you written this e-mail to the mailing list SpaceminD?
[11:00] <SpaceminD> no i havent, i just want a quick solve to my problem if you can, otherwise im going to send them an email
[11:01] <paines> SpaceminD, you can start start the installation with linux nopcmcia
[11:01] <OculusAquilae> no, there was an email equivalent to you question :-)
[11:01] <OculusAquilae> right try nopcmcia
[11:10] <SpaceminD> thanks
[11:47] <Yannick_R> hello
[11:48] <Yannick_R> the menu of openoffice are all blured and the french fonts are not displayed, do you guys experienced the same problem ?
[11:48] <jpatrick> no
[11:49] <jpatrick> I never have had any font problems
[11:49] <jpatrick> :-/
[11:49] <nikkia> jpatrick: wow, that's lucky :P
[11:50] <jpatrick> just sound problems
[11:50] <jpatrick> Two I don't use OpenOffice
[11:52] <Yannick_R> :)
[11:52] <Yannick_R> jpatrick: you're using koffice ?
[11:52] <jpatrick> yes
[11:53] <jpatrick> I prefer the nice KDE look
[11:53] <Yannick_R> the look :D
[11:53] <jpatrick> Can't wait for KOffice 2
[11:53] <jpatrick> :)
[11:53] <Yannick_R> when is it supposed to come out ?
[11:54] <jpatrick> by the end of this year I think
[11:54] <jpatrick> with KDE 4 :-/
[11:54] <jpatrick> or something...
[11:54] <nikkia> jpatrick: you do much shell programming ?
[11:54] <jpatrick> no
[11:54] <jpatrick> why?
[11:54] <nikkia> or otherwise know if there is a way to make ping silent
[11:54] <Yannick_R> so it should come with kubuntu 6.04
[11:54] <nikkia> jpatrick: writing a script to run on cron to test if my IPv6 tunnel is up, and restart if not
[11:55] <jpatrick> I don't know :/
[11:55] <nikkia> and i need to use ping to tell if the connection is working (sometimes, the daemon runs, but the tunnel isn't up)
[11:55] <nikkia> that's not a problem, really, but it'd be nice not to have the result from the ping in the cron job output
[11:55] <hussam> Is kde-apps.org down? I can't seem to access it.
[11:56] <PieD> Yannick_R: same problem here ! :/
[11:56] <jpatrick> I only had a small shell program which attached a file to an email
[11:56] <PieD> Yannick_R: KDE 4 will more probably be in kubuntu 6.10 :/
[11:57] <Yannick_R> PieD: you have the same problem in openoffice ? only the blur thing of regional issues too ?
[11:57] <PieD> Yannick_R: no french char in the menus is shown correctly :/
[11:57] <PieD> see you later
[11:59] <jpatrick> brb
[12:00] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hiya
[12:00] <OculusAquilae> hi Rogue_Jedi_X
[12:00] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Could someone give me a hand with something?
[12:01] <nikkia> OMG, i don't have cron installed
[12:01] <nikkia> something i forgot, obviously
[12:01] <nikkia> which cron does ubuntu use? vixie ?
[12:03] <Rogue_Jedi_X> How do you change how non-KDE applications look? My Gaim and synaptic look like crap
[12:03] <OculusAquilae> Rogue_Jedi_X: theres a package that let gtk- apps look like kde ones
[12:04] <OculusAquilae> I look for the name
[12:04] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_X: install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[12:04] <OculusAquilae> yes right :-)
[12:04] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Thanks
[12:04] <nikkia> then use kcontrol to set the look and feel of gtk apps
[12:04] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Ah, spiffy
[12:05] <kakalto> can I try something?
[12:05] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I thought I'd have to look for another control center or something
[12:05] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_X: there is one, the gtk-themes selector, but just install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt as it makes gtk apps look a little more like kde apps
[12:06] <nikkia> the gtk themes all tend to look like crud anyway
[12:06] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I know, but at least I can make them look like pretty crud
[12:07] <Yannick_R> it's it good to use kde 3.4.2 ?
[12:07] <Yannick_R> I mean is it working good ?
[12:08] <nikkia> hmmm, this fcron IS better than vixie cron
[12:09] <OculusAquilae> Yannick_R: I have no Problems with kde 3.4.2
[12:09] <nikkia> altho some of their example 'enhanced' numbers are a bit weird
[12:09] <Yannick_R> is it going to be a problem if I'm using kde in french ?
[12:10] <Yannick_R> if I go for 3.4.2
[12:11] <nikkia> Yannick_R: i wouldn't imagine so
[12:11] <OculusAquilae> Yannick_R: i maybe that you have some untranslated parts, but most of it is translated (in german)
[12:11] <nikkia> i imagine the i18n_fr package is updated too
[12:12] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Another real quick question. Which is better: KMail or Thunderbird?
[12:13] <Yannick_R> thanks everybody ;)
[12:13] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_X: thats a very subjective question :)
[12:13] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_X: i prefer thunderbird, even though it annoys the heck out of me at times
[12:13] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hehe, how come?
[12:13] <nikkia> how come it annoys me? or how come i prefer it ?
[12:13] <OculusAquilae> Rogue_Jedi_X: i prefer kmail, because of its good integration in kontact
[12:13] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Should've been more clear, sorry. The first one
[12:14] <nikkia> thunderbird annoys me because of its lousy failure-condition handling
[12:14] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Ah
[12:14] <nikkia> ie, i have a mailbox setup for my work's email server, over VPN
[12:14] <nikkia> but since i'm not always connected, if i click on it by mistake in thunderbird, it tries to connect, and takes about 5 minutes to time-out
[12:15] <nikkia> but once its timed out on a mailbox, it never tries again until you restart thunderbird
[12:15] <nikkia> so i have to restart it if i mistakenly click on my work email mailbox
[12:15] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I've just recently discovered KMail and thought it may not be that bad, what with its AV and spam-filters and all
[12:15] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I've been using thunderbird so far
[12:15] <nikkia> the impression i always got with kmail, was that it was a better choice than thunderbird if you still use pop3, but for imap, thunderbird does a better job
[12:16] <nikkia> maybe thats changed in the last year or so, i don't know
[12:16] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Thanks for the info
[12:16] <Rogue_Jedi_X> How come Firefox and Thunderbird icons are different from normal ones?
[12:17] <nikkia> what do you mean ?
[12:17] <nikkia> you mean the kubuntu icons aren't the official mozilla ones?
[12:17] <nikkia> i can't say i've noticed that, but it would probably be because mozilla trademarked the icons
[12:17] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I mean the missing fox in the Firefox icon (just the globe) and the frozen phoenix (if that's what it is) for thunderbird
[12:18] <nikkia> debian distros have a 'problem' with firefox/thunderbird/mozilla, in that the licensing of some aspects (name, icons) isn't 'free'
[12:18] <nikkia> which is why its often called 'mozilla-firefox' rather than 'firefox'
[12:18] <nikkia> the mozilla org have a rule that if you make a modification to the firefox code, you can't call it 'firefox' anymore
[12:19] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Ah, I see
[12:19] <nikkia> they came to a sort of understanding on calling it 'mozilla-firefox' but its an ongoing issue, lots of heated talk over it
[12:20] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Make peace, not war
[12:21] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Anyway, this distro is really great. I've recently switched from Mandrake 2005 LE
[12:22] <Rogue_Jedi_X> If nothing else, package distribution is waaaay better
[12:28] <nikkia> wb jpatrick
[12:30] <jpatrick> thanks nikki
[12:30] <jpatrick> just tried to get shadows to work
[12:30] <jpatrick> haven't got enough RAM tho :-/
[12:32] <jpatrick> I think I'll buy some more
[12:32] <nikkia> yeah, i need more ram too
[12:32] <nikkia> but i can't afford it this month :/
[12:33] <jpatrick> me neither
[12:35] <jpatrick> does KOffice have a database maker?
[12:39] <OculusAquilae> jpatrick: something like kexi?
[12:39] <OculusAquilae> http://koffice.kde.org/kexi/
[12:41] <nikkia> about a million and one changes to my project, all of which are a major headache - most notably, they want more than 1 set of videos, but refuse to allow them to be played from disc, and there isn't the memory space for more than 1 set
[12:42] <uniq> hi.
[12:43] <nikkia> hi uniq
[12:43] <uniq> hello nikkia.
[12:43] <jpatrick> I don't have Kexi
[12:43] <jpatrick> :p
[12:43] <nikkia> jpatrick: its not very reliable anyway
[12:44] <jpatrick> I know
[12:44] <Frafra> hi all
[12:44] <Frafra> what i must add in /etc/apt/sources.list for get kde 3.4.2?
[12:44] <jpatrick> hi
[12:44] <jpatrick> see topic
[12:44] <Frafra> thx
[12:44] <Frafra> :)
[12:44] <jpatrick> http://kudos.berlios.de/
[12:44] <jpatrick> http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php
[12:44] <jpatrick> the second one
[12:45] <jpatrick> I wanted to make a database of all my C++ source codes and their exes
[12:45] <Frafra> there isn't for amd64
[12:46] <jpatrick> there isn't?
[12:46] <Frafra> mmm...
[12:47] <Frafra> no
[12:47] <Frafra> only for 32 bit
[12:48] <jpatrick> :-/
[12:49] <Frafra> can i get (with apt) the sources and compile it?
[12:50] <jpatrick> :-/ i wouldn't do that...
[12:51] <Frafra> exist a erpository with the sources?
[12:53] <Frafra> konstruct...
[12:53] <Frafra> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=48905&highlight=kde
[12:54] <m0ns00n> why isn't kexi in yet btw?
[12:55] <m0ns00n> for me it'd be the most useful app in the whole of koffice
[12:55] <jpatrick> I just set it up
[12:55] <jpatrick> download the rpm and alien
[12:55] <jpatrick> it
[12:56] <jpatrick> and there it is!
[12:56] <jpatrick> http://www.kexi-project.org/wiki/wikiview/index.php?Download#Kexi_0.9_-_without_KOffice
[12:56] <jpatrick> ^^
[12:59] <jpatrick> it won't run.. @_@
[01:00] <jpatrick> damn
[01:00] <jpatrick> there's a deb package in the Debian repos
[01:00] <jpatrick> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/kde/kexi
[01:02] <mart> jpatrick: I thought it was in the kubuntu repository?
[01:02] <jpatrick> I looked it said could not find
[01:03] <jpatrick> :-/
[01:03] <mart> jpatrick: I can see a package, let me check
[01:03] <jpatrick> i did apt-cache show kexi
[01:03] <mart> yeah, I get a result for that
[01:04] <mart> jpatrick: which kubuntu version are you on?
[01:04] <jpatrick> Hoary
[01:05] <jpatrick> _o/
[01:05] <mart> jpatrick: if I can get debootstrap to run, I can probably make a package for it, if you like
[01:05] <jpatrick> I have a package
[01:06] <mart> ok, but it won't run...?
[01:06] <jpatrick> it freaked out
[01:06] <mart> what does it say?
[01:06] <jpatrick> no I removed that one and downloaded the Debian repo one
[01:06] <jpatrick> kexi depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21);
[01:07] <jpatrick> and loads more
[01:07] <mart> ok...
[01:07] <jpatrick> I think I'll get Breezy like next week
[01:07] <nikkia> morning apokryphos
[01:08] <apokryphos> hey
[01:08] <jpatrick> yo apokryphos!
[01:08] <apokryphos> hi :)
[01:08] <nikkia> hmmm, fcron didn't run my tunnel check at 12:00
[01:09] <nikkia> oh, i see... when i do 'runnow' on the job, it reschedules the next scheduled execution to 'right now' and thus i moved the 12:00 job forward
[01:09] <apokryphos> What's the tunnel check for?
[01:10] <nikkia> apokryphos: the IPv6 tunnel i switched to when xs26 was down uses a daemon to establish/maintain the IPv6 tunnel
[01:10] <jpatrick> IPv6
[01:10] <nikkia> sometimes, the daemon seems to quit due to weirdness, and the tunnel doesn't restart
[01:10] <nikkia> so i have a crontab job that runs once an hour, checks if the daemon is running, if its not, restarts it, if it is running, and the connection isn't working, it kills and restarts it
[01:11] <nikkia> and fcron is waaay better than vixie cron :)
[01:11] <nikkia> ubuntu should consider switching to it :)
[01:12] <nikkia> ?
[01:13] <jpatrick> quack
[01:13] <apokryphos> nikkia: running away, since I don't know the difference and barely know their jobs 8)
[01:13] <nikkia> apokryphos: cron just runs things at specific times/intervals
[01:14] <apokryphos> yah
[01:14] <nikkia> vixie cron is pretty much a 100% reimplementation of classic cron, fcron adds some better job control, better time specifications, and a front end that lets you control job execution (runnow, kill, renice, etc)
[01:15] <nikkia> you can also have fcron run jobs based on uptime, apparently
[01:15] <apokryphos> Oh, I see. Yup, sounds nice.
[01:15] <apokryphos> do'h! Forgot to leave kde compiling overnight. Great. :|
[01:16] <nikkia> Ooo
[01:16] <nikkia> and fcron has a 'runas' facility
[01:17] <apokryphos> nikkia: know of a command to check your network uptime?
[01:17] <nikkia> apokryphos: no, i know its in the /proc files somewhere tho
[01:20] <mart> jpatrick: I don't think there is one
[01:20] <mart> jpatrick: I'm not even sure it's possible to compile it efficiently.
[01:20] <jpatrick> yeah
[01:20] <nikkia> there are a couple
[01:21] <nikkia> they all seem to be compilers to VMs tho
[01:21] <nikkia> .net, parrot, etc
[01:22] <mart> ok, my bad, I didn't think it would be possible, but I only looked at it briefly
[01:22] <mart> I'd love to see how the marshalling stuff gets compiled...
[01:22] <nikkia> mart, why not? there are compilers for just about every language :)
[01:22] <mart> nikkia: most scripting languages only have interpreters
[01:23] <nikkia> mart, such as ?
[01:23] <mart> or things that put the bytecode in an executable with a vm
[01:23] <nikkia> yes, but that's still compilation :)
[01:23] <rob^> whats the name of the kde irc client?
[01:23] <mart> konversation, ksirc
[01:23] <nikkia> and kvirc :)
[01:24] <rob^> thanks
[01:24] <rob^> ubuntu user here, trying to work out kde
[01:24] <nikkia> i prefer kvirc, but the version in the repositories is *very* old
[01:24] <nikkia> v2.0.1 iirc
[01:24] <nikkia> whereas the current version is 3.2.0
[01:25] <apokryphos> nikkia: what's kvirc got? Just interested.
[01:26] <nikkia> apokryphos: lots of things
[01:26] <nikkia> apokryphos: very configurable, very scriptable, and a reasonable interface
[01:26] <rob^> when I run gnome apps under kde it uses gtk1, how come?
[01:27] <apokryphos> rob^: dunno, but you can escape that by getting the gtk2-engines-gtk-qt package
[01:27] <apokryphos> nikkia: right. May try it out now
[01:28] <rob^> apokryphos, its still doing it
[01:28] <apokryphos> nikkia: it comes for Windoze too? Heh, didn't know that.
[01:28] <apokryphos> rob^: you have to restart the app; possibly kde.
[01:28] <rob^> maybe
[01:28] <rob^> brb
[01:28] <nikkia> apokryphos: yeah, but the windows version has a major annoyance
[01:29] <apokryphos> nikkia: you have to be in windows to use it ;-)
[01:29] <nikkia> apokryphos: because of the 'free' Qt for windows license, all window titles have a Qt message applied at the start...
[01:29] <nikkia> which you get used to, but it means you can't identify windows based on the titles in the taskbar
[01:30] <apokryphos> ah
[01:31] <nikkia> wow, this game takes the 'sneak-em-up' genre to new extremes
[01:31] <nikkia> i've been sat in this corner waiting for the guard to patrol into this room for 10 minutes now
[01:31] <apokryphos> Hah. What game?
[01:32] <nikkia> hitman 2
[01:33] <apokryphos> nikkia: haven't been into games since I didn't buy ps2; last game played properly-ish was Devil May Cry, for a couple of days. Not too bad. I still prefer Final Fantasy to any of these new games with great graphics ;-)
[01:33] <apokryphos> ghostwhowalks: ah, but can he fly?
[01:34] <ghostwhowalks> apokryphos: a little joke going on in #ubuntu atm :)
[01:35] <apokryphos> hehe
[01:36] <Yannick_R> I'm trying to install kde3.4.2 using the link from the topic, but it doesn't want to download the list of package
[01:37] <Yannick_R> I'm wondering it's maybe because I have an AM64
[01:37] <apokryphos> Yannick_R: what architecture are you on?
[01:37] <Yannick_R> AMD64
[01:37] <apokryphos> Ah, yes, it is. 64-bit packs aren't out yet.
[01:37] <Yannick_R> :(
[01:37] <Yannick_R> for 3.4.1 are they available ?
[01:37] <apokryphos> Yannick_R: I believe so, yes.
[01:38] <Yannick_R> ok I'm gona try to go for the 3.4.1 then
[01:38] <apokryphos> 3.4.2 is only a few more bugfixes; you could compile I guess, but generally not really worth it...
[01:38] <Yannick_R> thank you apokryphos
[01:40] <Yannick_R> why 3.4.1 is not installed when we update the system ?
[01:40] <Yannick_R> it's not stable ?
[01:41] <apokryphos> Yannick_R: nah, it just has a different repository -- a kubuntu.org one. Ideally it should be in backports, and I think they're working on that, but not sure; we'll wait n' see, I guess.
[01:42] <Yannick_R> apokryphos: do you know how much time will it take for the AMD64 version of 3.4.2 to be released
[01:43] <Yannick_R> I mean usually how much time it takes after the x86 comes
[01:43] <apokryphos> No idea, I'm afraid. Not too long, I'd think. Kubuntu is fast with getting packs out
[01:43] <apokryphos> I used to think that they'd come out at the same time :|, but not entirely sure anymore
[01:48] <granbar> Hey folks
[01:49] <Yannick_R> hello
[01:49] <granbar> How can I limit sshd to only accept certain users?
[01:49] <mart> nikkia: just remembered. I didn't think a compiler would be possible, because it has something like an 'eval' construct, but if we're counting bundling an interpreter in an executable as compilation....
[01:50] <granbar> Never mind. I found out AllowGroups
[01:50] <nikkia> mart, erm, check out just how many lisp compilers exist
[01:50] <nikkia> mart, in fact, a large number of lisp interpreters compile on-the-fly to saved code blocks
[01:50] <mart> yeah, I never actually regarded them as compilers... :)
[01:51] <nikkia> mart, what about chicken ?
[01:52] <mart> don't know enough about it, point is that the runtime still needs to do compilation if arbitrary strings can be executed
[01:52] <nikkia> mart, personally, i regard lisp environments that compile to native code, and offer a means to save the native code, as compilers
[01:53] <mart> ok, but there's standalone native code, and standalone code that still needs to compile/interpret code in order to run
[01:53] <nikkia> just because the compiler is embedded in the libraries doesn't make it less a compiler
[01:54] <nikkia> take for instance most of the basic compilers on the 8bits, almost all of them embedded themselves within the compiled programs, but they were still compilers
[01:57] <mart> ok
[01:57] <nikkia> the upshot of that was, if you were lucky and bought a game that used a basic compiler, you effectively got a free copy of the compiler :P
[01:58] <nikkia> i remember using PSS's basic compiler that way from my copy of PSS's Frank N Stein :)
[01:59] <mart> nikkia: my background is in formal aspects, so I think I probably have a narrow mind re. what is and isn't a compiler :(
[02:00] <nikkia> surely the key is if it produces native code from structured input ?
[02:00] <nikkia> and as i said, most of the lisp environments *always* compile
[02:00] <mart> ah, native code, earlier it was ok to produce bytecode :)
[02:01] <mart> no seriously though,
[02:01] <nikkia> mart, well, bytecode is ok for me too, but i was giving you the benefit of the strict definition
[02:01] <mart> people doing formal methods rarely get beyond talking about traditional non-dynamic languages, because they're hard enough to get right (provably)
[02:02] <mart> languages with reflection tend to get ignored too - they're a nightmare to reason about
[02:05] <mart> nikkia: but I conceed, you're right :)
[02:09] <apokryphos_> nikkia: heh, looks cool/different
[02:09] <apokryphos_> reminds me of mIRC
[02:09] <apokryphos_> I wonder what it's like with resuming downloads (xchat and konversation fail, there).
[02:16] <nikkia> apokryphos: no idea, never tried dcc
[02:16] <nikkia> and yes, it looks a BIT like mirc, but that all depends on how you configure it
[02:20] <buz> imho, a compiler that embedds itself in the executable is more of an interpreter than anything else
[02:22] <nikkia> buz, i disagree, the distinction, IMO, is *how* the code is executed
[02:27] <_levin> hello
[02:33] <_simon> hi all
[02:38] <jpatrick> hi
[02:39] <_simon> i have a probblem with my headset. does somebody know how to turn of the sound of the mic in the headphones, so i can't hear myself speaking. is maybe not the right place to ask. thanks for every help!
[02:48] <granbar> _simon: Have you looked at KMix?
[03:04] <jpatrick> london high alert it said on the radio
[03:05] <jpatrick> that true?
[03:05] <buz> what does high alert mean?
[03:05] <buz> is that like preventive?
[03:05] <jpatrick> *shrugs*
[03:06] <nikkia> buz, it means SO19 can go out on the prowl
[03:17] <jeh_work> i installed kubuntu a few days ago, was a real smooth install (just press <enter> a lot)
[03:18] <antrix> i there going to be a kubuntu colony cd anytime soon?
[03:18] <jeh_work> however, the post-installation configuration seems to be quite lacking. i found nothing where i could easily add in NFS mounts, hook it up to our NIS etc
[03:19] <jeh_work> i can do it by hand, that's not the problem, i just thought that modern distros finally would do this graphically (yast is a good example of how it can be done)
[03:19] <OculusAquilae> jeh_work: right
[03:20] <jeh_work> i'll still install kubuntu for my wife, the kde installation seems to be really nice
[03:21] <paines> jeh_work, maybe http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/ will be avilable for (k) ubuntu
[03:21] <paines> there you can manage shares like nfs, ans samba
[03:22] <jeh_work> paines: yeah, i've seen that one. looks promising
[03:22] <jeh_work> fedora has a lot of ugly but useful apps for managing the system
[03:23] <jeh_work> ah, guidance is done with pykde. i use pyqt heavily myself. *very* nice
[03:23] <kasir> !j
[03:23] <ubotu> kasir: Wish i knew
[03:26] <jeppe> hey
[03:26] <jeppe> Sombody from DK?
[03:29] <alakhia> anyone know how to turn off the animating cursor on app launch?
[03:33] <antrix> alakhia, it's in Kde control center
[03:33] <antrix> look for a launch feedback option
[03:34] <alakhia> antrix: the funny thing is that I can't find control center in the menu
[03:35] <antrix> alakhia, i just noticed that too... have u upgraded to kde 3.4.2?
[03:35] <alakhia> antrix: yes, a week ago
[03:36] <antrix> yeah.. i guess some messed up package failed to install menu entry
[03:36] <alakhia> antrix: great ... :)
[03:36] <antrix> anyway, type settings:/ into any konqueror window's location
[03:36] <antrix> *location bar
[03:38] <alakhia> antrix: that worked! Thanks!
[03:40] <N17R0> Hi is there a easy way for mounting NTFS partitions? Like add the mount command in kwikdisk ?
[03:41] <N17R0> i dont like to typ all the time that LONGGG command in konsole to mount my NTFS partition
[03:42] <antrix> N17R0, you can add an entry to /etc/fstab
[03:42] <TestMAD> then just d it once to mount at boot
[03:43] <N17R0> hmm that i dont want,
[03:43] <N17R0> i dont want it to mount automatic on boot
[03:43] <kasir> #yogyakarta
[03:44] <antrix> n17r0, u don't have to auto mount it at boot... just add it to fstab so kwikdisk picks it up
[03:44] <N17R0> hmm but isnt it auto-mounted on the next boot then ?
[03:44] <antrix> n17r0, like this: "/dev/hda1 /mnt/win_c ntfs noauto,umask=0222 0 0"
[03:45] <antrix> or better: "/dev/hda1 /mnt/win_c ntfs noauto,user,umask=0222 0 0"
[03:46] <N17R0> and does it need the parameter "nls=utf8" also ?
[03:47] <N17R0> like this: /dev/hda1 /mnt/win_c ntfs noauto,user,nls=utf8,umask=0222 0 0
[03:47] <alakhia> i'm trying to setup power management in KDE ... any idea what LAV means?
[03:48] <antrix> hmm... afaik, utf8 is not recommended for windows partitions
[03:48] <antrix> now i don't know if 'nls' option means use utf8 or don't use utf8 :)
[03:48] <N17R0> hmm i found that command in the unofficial ubuntu docs
[03:48] <N17R0> cos it must be mounted as read-only
[03:49] <alakhia> the context is: "Don't act if LAV is 0.1" ...
[03:49] <antrix> n17r0, umask takes care of readonly
[03:49] <N17R0> ah ok
[03:49] <antrix> or stick in an 'ro' option too.. like noauto,user,ro,umask=0222
[03:50] <antrix> alakhia, some Voltage i guess
[03:50] <N17R0> what does "ro" do then ?
[03:50] <alakhia> antrix: that's really cryptic!
[03:50] <antrix> alakhia, cryptic guess :)
[03:51] <antrix> alakhia, where is this LAV?
[03:51] <alakhia> antrix: settings:/PowerControl/
[03:51] <N17R0> ohh man, but that kwikdisk util needs root user to mount things also, how can i avoid this ?
[03:51] <alakhia> antrix: go to the "Power control" tab
[03:52] <granbar> Which apache2 should I install?
[03:52] <_simon> granbar: sorry was shortly away. yes i had a look at KMix. but didn't findout anything.
[03:52] <antrix> alakhia, i haven't enabled ACPI over there.. so no options for me
[03:53] <antrix> n17r0, don't know abt kwikdisk... try opening a console and typing 'mount /mnt/win_c' as a regular user
[03:53] <alakhia> antrix: yeah, i had to enable acpi also ... go to last tab
[03:54] <N17R0> mount: only root can do that
[03:54] <granbar> _simon: I am currently in a skype conversation on a kubuntu installation I made today. I don't get any feedback from the mic?
[03:54] <antrix> don't want to.. my Fn+F4, Fn+F12 are working perfectly.. don't want to mess up things :(
[03:54] <antrix> n17ro, strange.. u did give a 'user' option right?
[03:55] <alakhia> antrix: all the power control settings seem cryptic and user-unfriendly
[03:55] <N17R0> i did: mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1/ -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=0222
[03:56] <antrix> oh.. u haven't put it in /etc/fstab yet?
[03:56] <N17R0> nope
[03:56] <N17R0> not yet
[03:56] <_simon> granbar: did you try: kmix, switches, mic boost?
[03:56] <granbar> _simon: My mic boost is on
[03:56] <antrix> n17ro, do that.. then it won't/shouldn't ask root permissions
[03:56] <granbar> _simon: Please PM me
[03:56] <N17R0> ok hold on
[03:56] <antrix> alakhia, true :(
[04:07] <N17R0> antrix: it works thanks man :D
[04:08] <antrix> n17r0, with kwikdisk too?
[04:08] <N17R0> and how about unknown file systems? Like my bootit bootmanager partition, and my acronis secure zone, where it stores my images?
[04:08] <N17R0> yep with kwikdisk :P
[04:09] <buz> or qtparted
[04:09] <N17R0> or shall I use the same commands in fstab for those unknown file systems?
[04:10] <antrix> n17r0, don't know.. try sticking partition type auto.. although i doubt it'll work for these more esoteric file systems
[04:11] <antrix> n17ro, generally.. u can try mounting from command line using 'sudo mount ....' then if it works, stick it in fstab with an extra 'user' option
[04:11] <alakhia> antrix: what is kwikdisk?
[04:12] <N17R0> can u give me the commands for in fstab with that "partition typ auot" ?
[04:12] <antrix> alakhia, utility to quickly mount/unmount partitions
[04:13] <honza> hy can you help my
[04:13] <antrix> n17ro, try 'man fstab' and 'man mount' all supported options are there
[04:14] <N17R0> ok I know im lasy and ask to much :P
[04:14] <antrix> :p
[04:14] <N17R0> but thanks for the support again
[04:14] <N17R0> xD
[04:14] <honza> i wan install icq client but I dont know haw?
[04:14] <antrix> honza, most probably it's already installed
[04:15] <antrix> honza, run 'kopete' from 'kmenu>Internet'
[04:15] <N17R0> just one more question, is the parameter "nls=utf8" really not needed ?
[04:15] <honza> than you!!
[04:17] <antrix> n17r0, do u have files named in non-english characters (non-ascii) ?
[04:17] <antrix> n17ro, if not doesn't matter. but even if u have it, it's a read-only partition - doesn't matter anyway
[04:17] <N17R0> uhm im Dutch, and Dutch language don't use weird characters, its the same as English
[04:18] <N17R0> alright i have now this in fstab: /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 ntfs ro,user,noauto,umask=0222 0 0
[04:18] <N17R0> and it works good
[04:19] <N17R0> alright thanks for the help again :D
[04:20] <antrix> n17r0, no probs
[04:28] <honza> hy please where is a update managei in Kubuntu?
[04:29] <sproingie> anyone else still have an arts that won't update?
[04:29] <sproingie> did someone forget to package libartsc0 and/or libarts1 for amd64?
[04:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> honza: kynaptic
[04:31] <sproingie> Kamping_Kaiser: does kynaptic have auto-update? never looked like it did
[04:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> sproingie: not sure... don't use it
[04:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> i use apt
[04:31] <honza> i wan update program fron internet
[04:31] <sproingie> honza: if you're not looking for automatic installs, i recommend aptitude
[04:35] <sproingie> linuxfree sounds like the name of a bsd convert ;)
[04:36] <hon> have you recently had success compiling baghira cvs?
[04:36] <linuxfree> no
[04:38] <jpatrick> hon: Baghire is in the repos
[04:39] <hon> the cvs one?!
[04:39] <jpatrick> cvs?
[04:39] <hon> I have baghira 0.6e apt-getted
[04:40] <hon> but I need to compile the cvs version
[04:40] <jpatrick> oh
[04:40] <jpatrick> I did: apt-get install kwin-baghira
[04:41] <hon> me too, but I need to look into the developement version ;)
[04:41] <jpatrick> ok
[04:41] <foobrain> Hello
[04:41] <hon> but it fails in the make process
[04:42] <foobrain> How can I use su command in the console?
[04:42] <jpatrick> sudo su
[04:42] <foobrain> ty
[04:42] <jpatrick> you're welcome
[04:42] <jpatrick> :)
[04:44] <foobrain> When I open my Home folder, and I select "Create New>Text File" and name it "bleh" and presses ok, it crashes
[04:44] <foobrain> anyone have the same problem?
[04:45] <sproingie> nope
[04:45] <foobrain> strange
[04:46] <foobrain> konqueror crashes every time I create a new text document
[04:46] <granbar> Does kynaptic configure the new packages I install?
[04:46] <sproingie> foobrain: does it do the same with other docs?
[04:46] <jpatrick> nothing wrong here
[04:46] <jpatrick> granbar: yes
[04:46] <foobrain> let me try
[04:47] <jpatrick> what version of KDE do you have foobrain
[04:47] <jpatrick> ?
[04:47] <foobrain> 3.4?
[04:47] <foobrain> I installed Kubuntu 5.04
[04:47] <jpatrick> http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php
[04:48] <jpatrick> go to the control panel
[04:48] <foobrain> ok
[04:48] <jpatrick> should say KDE 3.4.x
[04:48] <jpatrick> what's your x?
[04:48] <foobrain> 3.4.0
[04:49] <jpatrick> download 3.4.2
[04:49] <foobrain> omw
[04:49] <jpatrick> link above^^
[04:49] <jpatrick> took me 25 minutes to download
[04:50] <jpatrick> it's bug fixes - maybe your problem could of have been fixed - let's say
[04:50] <foobrain> I just type in the console deb .... ?
[04:50] <foobrain> oh silly me
[04:50] <foobrain> I got it
[04:51] <jpatrick> put the url(s) into your sources.list file
[04:51] <jpatrick> then do: apt-get update
[04:52] <foobrain> I'm using Synaptic
[04:52] <jpatrick> I prefer the command line
[04:52] <jpatrick> but have it your way :)
[04:53] <jpatrick> upgrade all
[04:53] <foobrain> I'll use the cli instead
[04:54] <jpatrick> cli....
[04:54] <foobrain> after a apt-get update, then what do I do?
[04:54] <jpatrick> I guess that's the command line
[04:54] <foobrain> command-line-interface
[04:54] <sproingie> foobrain: restart X
[04:54] <foobrain> oh, cool, bbiab
[04:54] <jpatrick> apt-get upgrade OR apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:54] <foobrain> can I run both?
[04:54] <jpatrick> no
[04:54] <foobrain> ok
[04:54] <sproingie> oh yeah, misread update as upgrade
[04:55] <sproingie> dist-upgrade is better
[04:55] <jpatrick> I did apt-get upgrade
[04:55] <jpatrick> dist-upgrade is better tho
[04:55] <sproingie> it chases dependencies better. upgrade doesn't
[04:55] <sml> can you get rcconf within kubuntu?
[04:55] <foobrain> I just do a "apt-get dist-upgrade"
[04:55] <jpatrick> ype
[04:55] <jpatrick> yep*
[04:55] <sml> i cannot locate rcconf in knaptic :(
[04:56] <foobrain> 187mb
[04:56] <jpatrick> rcconf?
[04:56] <foobrain> should I install the packages without "Verification"?
[04:56] <jpatrick> never mind
[04:56] <jpatrick> yes
[04:57] <foobrain> great
[04:57] <sml> rcconf is a handy Debian utility for configuring which services get started up at boot-time. It's really a front-end for the update-rc.d command.
[04:57] <jpatrick> do - sudo apt-get install rcconf
[04:58] <jpatrick> it's in universe
[04:58] <sml> ahh ... i need to get into another repository do i? :)
[04:59] <jpatrick> you need to have universe enabled in your sources.list
[04:59] <jpatrick> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[04:59] <Yannick_R> I'm using kmail for the first time, I configured an IMAP account, and the program uses the "local folders" instead of the imap's to put sent mails
[04:59] <apokryphos> !ubuntuguide
[04:59] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[05:00] <jpatrick> apo?
[05:00] <apokryphos> jpatrick: ubu community is generally pretty anti-ubuntuguide ;-)
[05:00] <jpatrick> :p
[05:00] <foobrain> ok, restarting x, bbiab
[05:01] <jpatrick> I hope he finished downloading :-/
[05:01] <apokryphos> Yannick_R: I think the setting for that is in Configure KMail -> Misc -> Groupware
[05:01] <Yannick_R> are you guys using kmail with IMAP ?
[05:01] <Yannick_R> apokryphos: let me check around there
[05:02] <Yannick_R> apokryphos: I didn't think that I could be there, thank you
[05:02] <sml> jpatrick .. i am trying to run a startupscript to run my widescreen resolution on start-up.
[05:03] <sml> do i need rcconf .. or can i manually get around using rcconf?
[05:03] <jpatrick> Enable the extra repos then apt-get update then apt-get install rcconf
[05:03] <apokryphos> sml: to run things on startup you can just put them in ~/.kde/Autostart/
[05:04] <sml> ahhh thanks .. i'll give it a shot :)
[05:18] <foobrain> Hello, again, the new version of kde fixed the crashes
[05:18] <foobrain> now I just have to figure out why the GTK apps running as root still have non-qt look
[05:21] <paines> foobrain, you have to call gtk-theme-switch(2) as root
[05:21] <paines> and choose the specific qt look
[05:23] <foobrain> paines: what cmd is that?
[05:23] <paines> gtk-theme-switch
[05:23] <paines> gtk-theme-switch2
[05:23] <paines> that are both apps
[05:23] <foobrain> so I have to be in some special location for those commands to work?
[05:24] <paines> just call from an console
[05:24] <foobrain> command not found
[05:24] <jpatrick> bash: gtk-theme-switch2: command not found
[05:24] <jeffbrown> I have services (like MySQL) installed but configured to not start automatically. How can I start/stop services like this from a command line?
[05:24] <jpatrick> bash: gtk-theme-switch: command not found
[05:24] <jpatrick> paines?
[05:24] <paines> apt-get install gtk-theme-switch
[05:24] <jpatrick> right
[05:24] <paines> it isn't installed by default
[05:24] <foobrain> ah, much better
[05:25] <paines> jeffbrown, /etc/init.d/service stop/start
[05:25] <jpatrick> so it will OpenOffice KDE?
[05:25] <paines> jeffbrown, /etc/init.d/mysql start
[05:25] <jeffbrown> oustanding... thanks
[05:25] <foobrain> paines: "cannot open display :0.0" error message
[05:26] <paines> jpatrick, if openoffice uses gtk, than it should look mode kdeish
[05:26] <paines> foobrain, sudo gtk-theme-switch
[05:26] <paines> foobrain, sudo gtk-theme-switch2
[05:26] <jpatrick> :D
[05:26] <foobrain> same error message
[05:26] <paines> jpatrick, mode=more
[05:26] <paines> foobrain, as normal user xhost +
[05:26] <paines> then sudo gtk-theme-switch(2)
[05:27] <foobrain> syntax error near unexpected token (
[05:27] <foobrain> heh... I suck
[05:29] <foobrain> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[05:30] <foobrain> Xlib: no protocol specified
[05:30] <paines> foobrain, isn't there an X server running ?
[05:31] <foobrain> who knows? I'm a linux noob
[05:31] <foobrain> I just installed Kubuntu yesterday
[05:31] <foobrain> I was under the impression it was a good dist to be using if you'r a noob
[05:32] <paines> well that's right, but it's also good for the more experienced user
[05:32] <paines> anyway
[05:32] <paines> are you right now at this kubuntu machine running kubuntu ?
[05:32] <foobrain> yes
[05:32] <paines> and there is an console open
[05:32] <mart> foobrain: have you been using the su command, or just sudo?
[05:32] <foobrain> yes
[05:33] <foobrain> I've done a "sudo su" in the console as well
[05:33] <paines> so, try sudo gtk-theme-switch
[05:33] <paines> and then you are asked for the root passwd
[05:33] <paines> enter it
[05:33] <paines> and an window should appera
[05:33] <jpatrick> I think I'll stick to KOffice
[05:33] <foobrain> I dont get that far
[05:33] <BTJustice> Where does Kmail save my mail at?
[05:33] <BTJustice> By default.
[05:33] <foobrain> paines: I get the Xlib errors
[05:33] <jpatrick> I did
[05:34] <mart> foobrain: try this: open a new console, then try sudo gtk-theme-switch, then *your* password
[05:34] <paines> just enter ->sudo gtk-theme-switcht<- ENTER
[05:34] <paines> -t
[05:34] <foobrain> that worked
[05:34] <foobrain> thanks
[05:35] <paines> :)
[05:35] <foobrain> but it doesn't work if I try to run it from the other console
[05:35] <mart> foobrain: that's because you used sudo su probably
[05:35] <foobrain> mart: ok
[05:36] <BTJustice> By default, where does Kmail save e-mail at?
[05:36] <nikkia> apokryphos: are you around ?
[05:36] <foobrain> Synaptic still looks like crap
[05:36] <apokryphos> nikkia: yup
[05:36] <mart> foobrain: you still have that terminal open, where it didn't work?
[05:36] <foobrain> yes
[05:36] <BTJustice> ?join #ubuntu
[05:37] <nikkia> apokryphos: any idea where the source for run-parts might be - the 'hitchhikers' nature of debian source really annoys me
[05:37] <jpatrick> it's /join
[05:37] <BTJustice> i know, lol
[05:37] <apokryphos> nikkia: hm, nope, sorry.
[05:37] <mart> foobrain: so it doesn't happen again, you might want to do : cd /root ; ln -s /home/foobrain/.Xauthority, where foobrain is your normal user name
[05:37] <nikkia> apokryphos: gah, once more bitten by the hypocrisy of debian :(
[05:38] <apokryphos> nikkia: hypocrisy? Surely they are immune to such a thing!
[05:38] <foobrain> oh, ok
[05:38] <nikkia> apokryphos: no, for all their espousal of the 'software must be free and open source' policy, try finding source code for their own utils
[05:39] <nikkia> apokryphos: its there, its hidden somewhere among 'pool' probably as part of another base package's source, but it sure isn't easy to find
[05:39] <nikkia> apokryphos: red hat do a better job of making their source code easy to find, and thats saying something
[05:40] <foobrain> should I uninstall openoffice 1.1.3 before installing 2.0?
[05:40] <paines> there is OO 2 ?
[05:40] <mart> nikkia: dpkg -S /bin/run-parts, shows it's in debianutils
[05:40] <mart> nikkia: then apt-get source debianutils
[05:41] <foobrain> paines: well, the 2.0 beta... or alpha
[05:41] <nikkia> mart, not so easy on a non-debian system
[05:41] <apokryphos> foobrain: no
[05:41] <foobrain> apokryphos: so I just install the 2.0 over the existing 1.1.3?
[05:41] <nikkia> mart, i'll have to get debianutils' source from pool,i guess, but as i said, this is hypocrissy, IMO
[05:41] <apokryphos> foobrain: they're seperate applications
[05:41] <foobrain> but I dont want both
[05:42] <apokryphos> foobrain: then remove the 1.* one
[05:42] <foobrain> ok, will do, ty
[05:42] <mart> (assuming you have deb-src line in sources.list)
[05:43] <nikkia> mart, again, not on a debian based system
[05:43] <foobrain> is there a website somewhere that list linux device drivers?
[05:43] <mart> nikkia: then you can use the search http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=%2Fbin%2Frun-parts&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386
[05:43] <foobrain> because I have some tv-tuner device I want to see if someone made a driver for it
[05:43] <mart> and use the source link at the bottom of the package page
[05:43] <nikkia> mart, i've already downloaded it, i know my way around pool, however, the point remains, why isn't there a web page for these utils if they (debian) are so vehemantly pro open source ?
[05:45] <mart> there's no requirement that DFSG software have a website
[05:46] <nikkia> mart, and that somehow makes it acceptable that if they claim to be so pro-open source then you have to dig around their ftp ? sorry, i don't buy it, its hypocritical
[05:47] <mart> I'd have thought most people who had heard of run-parts would know where to find it
[05:51] <hinko> hi
[05:53] <foobrain> if I wanted to become a linux developer (develop linux apps) where would be a good place to go? some online references perhaps?
[05:56] <hinko> I think you can go allmost everywhere
[05:56] <hinko> Depends on what you want to do.
[05:56] <foobrain> well, some locations are better than others
[05:57] <foobrain> I need "the basics", libs / compiler environment / compiler and some information on device-driver development
[05:59] <nikkia> www.linux.org would probably be my guess
[05:59] <nikkia> if there's docs on driver development anywhere, it'll be there
[06:03] <foobrain> Ill check it out thx
[06:19] <BTJustice> I use to be able to adjust my clock by right-clicking once on it then left-clicking on Adjust Date & Time. I entered my password and there I was. Now, after I enter my password, nothing happens. The clock never opens. Why might that be?
[06:21] <granbar> How do I change the login manager to display icons of the users?
[06:21] <apokryphos> granbar: you'll need a different KDM theme
[06:22] <granbar> Is that included out-of-the-box ?
[06:22] <buz> is there a way to do block marking in kate?
[06:22] <apokryphos> granbar: no. You can get them from http://kde-look.org
[06:22] <granbar> Thanks, apokryphos
[06:24] <apokryphos> instructions for how to install one is also on that site; under the "howto" section
[06:25] <granbar> okay
[06:25] <granbar> apokryphos: But all screenshots are with type-in logins
[06:26] <BTJustice> I use to be able to adjust my clock by right-clicking once on it then left-clicking on Adjust Date & Time. I entered my root password and there I was. Now, after I enter my password, nothing happens. The clock never opens. Why might that be?
[06:26] <granbar> What's it called when you have picture login, apokryphos?
[06:30] <wellso> hi ppl
[06:30] <apokryphos> granbar: not all of them. One sec, I'll find you one.
[06:33] <granbar> apokryphos: Thanks
[06:33] <apokryphos> granbar: this looks like one, but it's FC :| http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=12544
[06:34] <granbar> apokryphos: What indicated that it supports picture login?
[06:35] <apokryphos> granbar: the thing on the left. See the space there for users?
[06:35] <granbar> aha :)
[06:35] <apokryphos> Hm, there don't seem to be many at all :|
[06:36] <apokryphos> though some distros have one by default. I'm not sure if it can be done with the Moodin engine
[06:37] <apokryphos> If not, you can always just modify that theme and see how it did the user-login there by looking at the source
[06:41] <granbar> okay. Thanks again, apokryphos
[06:41] <apokryphos> no worries
[06:43] <danne> love linux:D
[06:53] <enver555> hi to all
[06:55] <m0ns00n^main> hello
[07:15] <foobrain> nikkia: elaborate
[07:16] <nikkia> foobrain: about STL? the fact that ios still hasn't been made to work with string properly
[07:16] <nikkia> ie, the lack of a istream::getline(string&) member
[07:17] <nikkia> (assume std:: namespaces where necessary, i cba to type them :)
[07:18] <zzzzzsolt> greetings
[07:19] <foobrain> ^^
[07:19] <bassman> bonjour
[07:19] <OculusAquilae> hi zzzzzsolt
[07:19] <zzzzzsolt> looks like konversation works afterall :)
[07:19] <OculusAquilae> seems so
[07:20] <zzzzzsolt> i just installed kubuntu, and so far so good
[07:21] <OculusAquilae> first install?
[07:21] <bassman> je viens d'installe un kubuntu sur ma machine j'avais une mandrake avant dans celle ci il y avait une appli qui configurait le partage de connexion internet et l'attribution d'ip pour les machines distantes en dhcp est ce que ca existe sur la kubuntu svp ???
[07:21] <zzzzzsolt> not quite
[07:21] <zzzzzsolt> this is my second KUbuntu install
[07:21] <zzzzzsolt> i had debian with gnome before
[07:22] <OculusAquilae> bassman: to much french to understand it, isn't there any french channel?
[07:22] <frank_> bassman: pour de l'aide en francais, essaie #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr
[07:22] <bassman> OculusAquilae: sorry I don't know
[07:23] <bassman> frank_: merci
[07:23] <zzzzzsolt> but kubuntu was waay faster to install. ipw2002 in debian testing was a tricky before, but it gave me no extra work this time
[07:23] <OculusAquilae> zzzzzsolt: yes, kubuntu is very easy to install
[07:24] <zzzzzsolt> i've got a question though, is there a way to get flash working with konqueror?
[07:24] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Yeah, just install it as a mozilla plugin
[07:24] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Then click "Scan for new plugins" in Konqueror
[07:26] <zzzzzsolt> i got that far in konqueror, but the flash installer refused to install
[07:26] <zzzzzsolt> it said the dir was invalid. i created /usr/lib/mozilla for it
[07:26] <zzzzzsolt> where did you put it?
[07:27] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Lemme check
[07:27] <Rogue_Jedi_X> $HOME/.mozilla/plugins
[07:27] <foobrain> when I install an application how would I go about putting it in the k-menu?
[07:27] <zzzzzsolt> thanks Rogue
[07:28] <Rogue_Jedi_X> No prob
[07:28] <paines> foobrain: kappfinder
[07:28] <frank_> foobrain: right click menu, edit menu
[07:28] <Rogue_Jedi_X> foobrain: Right click on the kicker then "Edit menu"
[07:28] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Curse my slow typing :/
[07:29] <paines> hrhr
[07:29] <zzzzzsolt> Rogue do you also have mozilla installed?
[07:29] <foobrain> thanks
[07:29] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Nah, just firefox
[07:30] <zzzzzsolt> oh. but firefox depends on gnome libs doesn't it?
[07:30] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Yeah, I think so. I still prefer it over Konqueror
[07:30] <zzzzzsolt> does it work with kde?
[07:30] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Sure, like a charm
[07:31] <zzzzzsolt> hmm
[07:31] <zzzzzsolt> i was afraid to mess with gnome again, looks like i'll have to try
[07:31] <zzzzzsolt> too bad i need flash
[07:32] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Konqueror is nice enough, but Firefox has the nicer Find function and I can't live without FlashGot+KGet
[07:32] <Rogue_Jedi_X> In my opinion, of course
[07:32] <zzzzzsolt> i know, i like firefox
[07:33] <zzzzzsolt> and the extensions are great
[07:33] <zzzzzsolt> there is a kde firefox project though
[07:33] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Really?
[07:33] <zzzzzsolt> they're trying to bring gecko into kde
[07:33] <Rogue_Jedi_X> So there is a god
[07:33] <zzzzzsolt> seems so
[07:34] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Any links?
[07:34] <zzzzzsolt> gimme a sec
[07:34] <zzzzzsolt> http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=5263
[07:35] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Thanks
[07:37] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Wonder what it will be called. FirefoKs?
[07:37] <zzzzzsolt> hehe
[07:37] <zzzzzsolt> that sounds good
[07:38] <zzzzzsolt> are you developing software on ubuntu?
[07:38] <zzzzzsolt> i want to move to KDevelop but i'm a noob to that
[07:38] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Nah, I'm just a regular slightly less than clueless Linux user
[07:40] <zzzzzsolt> i'm a pretty clueless linux user :)
[07:40] <zzzzzsolt> yet
[07:40] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hehe, same here probably. I've only been using it for six months now
[07:40] <zzzzzsolt> i can't even compile kdevelop
[07:40] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Just switched over from Mandrake
[07:40] <zzzzzsolt> i've been using it sporadically
[07:40] <Wizzard> hi ppl, how can I set the fglrx driver in xorg.conf?
[07:41] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Ouch, an ATI problem
[07:41] <Wizzard> yop
[07:41] <zzzzzsolt> fglrxconfig
[07:42] <zzzzzsolt> provided you've already installed it
[07:42] <zzzzzsolt> i just did it today
[07:42] <zzzzzsolt> works like a charm
[07:42] <Wizzard> I did it
[07:42] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I have an nVidia so I'm in the dark, sorry
[07:42] <Rogue_Jedi_X> *an nVidia card
[07:43] <zzzzzsolt> i'll have an nVidia in an other machine, so i'll be looking into that soon :)
[07:43] <zzzzzsolt> but this ati install was surprisingly easy after the 3rd time
[07:43] <Rogue_Jedi_X> No problem there. Just install the driver with kynaptic/synaptic and write something in Konsole
[07:45] <zzzzzsolt> the 5700 i got for 50 bucks? :)
[07:45] <nikkia> seems everyone that tackles the ATI drivers always ends up saying 'it was really easy, and glxgears reports <insert some value under 1000fps>'
[07:45] <zzzzzsolt> see i don't even know what glxgears is
[07:45] <nikkia> zzzzzsolt: an OpenGL test program
[07:45] <nikkia> and if you don't need OpenGL, why bother with the proprietary ATI drivers :)
[07:45] <JakubS_> Rogue_Jedi_X: even geforce2mx gives something like 1400fps afair
[07:46] <zzzzzsolt> i do need opengl, i want to look into programming it
[07:46] <nikkia> JakubS_: exactly, < 1000fps from glxgears is a sign software GL is at home :)
[07:46] <JakubS_> or that you have sis embedded card :-)
[07:46] <nikkia> that's practically the same thing :P
[07:46] <zzzzzsolt> hmm maybe i should check it out then, see if it works
[07:47] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Got to dash. See you folks later
[07:47] <JakubS_> well, sis supports dri, hardware opengl and all that stuff
[07:47] <JakubS_> and even gives 120fps instead of 60 :-)
[07:47] <nikkia> zzzzzsolt: just run 'glxgears' let it run for at least 5 seconds, and it'll print the fps count on the console you start it from
[07:47] <zzzzzsolt> see ya rogue
[07:47] <zzzzzsolt> nikkia, does it come with the ati package?
[07:47] <nikkia> (by the use of 'console' in there, i just want to make it clear, you must run it from konsole/xterm/whatever, don't run it from the GUI)
[07:48] <nikkia> zzzzzsolt: it comes with X, iirc
[07:48] <JakubS_> zzzzzsolt: it comes with xorg
[07:48] <zzzzzsolt> ok, i should have it then
[07:48] <zzzzzsolt> let me look
[07:49] <JakubS_> hell yeah, 30fps!
[07:49] <nikkia> JakubS_: i won't bother on my S3 laptop :P
[07:50] <nikkia> the key there is, the S3 driver doesn't work, so its using the svga driver, i don't even want to think how low the fps will be :)
[07:50] <zzzzzsolt> hmm
[07:50] <zzzzzsolt> looks like it's software
[07:51] <zzzzzsolt> 90 fps
[07:51] <nikkia> zzzzzsolt: around 700fps ?
[07:51] <nikkia> oh dear god :P
[07:51] <zzzzzsolt> something's not right is it
[07:51] <nikkia> zzzzzsolt: for reference, my GF6600 gives 4000-5000 fps
[07:51] <zzzzzsolt> it seems like it's running in software mode
[07:52] <nikkia> probably, what's the first line output by glxinfo ?
[07:52] <nikkia> erm, sorry, 3rd line
[07:52] <nikkia> the 'direct rendering' line :)
[07:52] <zzzzzsolt> No :)
[07:52] <zzzzzsolt> is that.... good? :)
[07:52] <nikkia> not really, no
[07:52] <zzzzzsolt> ok how do i fix this
[07:53] <zzzzzsolt> cos it's obviously in soft mode
[07:53] <nikkia> no idea, ATI drivers are terrible to get working right :/
[07:53] <zzzzzsolt> thing is X works visibly faster
[07:53] <zzzzzsolt> plus i answered to give opengl to everyone when i configured it
[07:54] <nikkia> its probably going to be something like DRI not getting loaded, or GLX getting loaded
[07:55] <nikkia> or perhaps the DRI kernel module isn't working *shrug*
[07:56] <zzzzzsolt> yea i'm googling a solution now
[07:56] <zzzzzsolt> i noticed i'm also missing agp support, it's running in pci mode
[07:58] <zzzzzsolt> modprobe agpgart returns nothing
[08:00] <nikkia> hmmm, i don't know about ATI, but with nvidia, its a bad idea from my experience to use the linux agp modules, better to use nvidia's built in support
[08:00] <nikkia> with the linux modules, it tends to a) slow down terribly b) start leaking memory in X, after about 1-2 days uptime
[08:00] <zzzzzsolt> i'm using ati's agp stuff. at least that's what i told it when i configged it
[08:01] <Wizzard> interesting, i have loaded fglrx module, and Tux Racer is still slow like before
[08:01] <Wizzard> and I cannot change the resolution
[08:02] <zzzzzsolt> same problem here wizzard
[08:02] <zzzzzsolt> we're trying to find a solution, hardware accel is disabled after install
[08:03] <Wizzard> it must be because the Mesa GLX is used as the OpenGL driver
[08:03] <zzzzzsolt> nikkia, i looked into xconf, and it loads both glx and dri
[08:03] <zzzzzsolt> at least it should
[08:05] <nikkia> zzzzzsolt: hmmm, i thought ati's driver didn't like glx being loaded
[08:05] <zzzzzsolt> is this glx module the mesa glx module?
[08:06] <zzzzzsolt> ati reports opengl vendor string: Mesa project ...
[08:06] <zzzzzsolt> rendere Mesa GLX indirect
[08:06] <zzzzzsolt> so that's a problem then
[08:07] <Wizzard> I added Load "fglrx" into Module section and now there is Ati driver
[08:08] <zzzzzsolt> try glxgears
[08:08] <zzzzzsolt> tell me the fps
[08:09] <zzzzzsolt> i got around 90 with soft rendering
[08:09] <Wizzard> now it works, but the sprites are broken in TuxRacer
[08:09] <zzzzzsolt> try glxgears first
[08:10] <zzzzzsolt> just to see if it really works
[08:10] <Wizzard> I do not see the fps, but the screen has a lot of artifacts when running that test
[08:10] <Wizzard> about 1242 fps
[08:10] <zzzzzsolt> ok, what kind of card is that?
[08:10] <Wizzard> Radeon 9200
[08:11] <zzzzzsolt> ok
[08:11] <zzzzzsolt> so you just added load fglrx to the module section in xorg.conf?
[08:11] <Wizzard> yep, as the first module
[08:12] <buz> is there a passively cooled dual dvi nvidia card
[08:12] <zzzzzsolt> i'll try removing glx too
[08:12] <Wizzard> but I have installed the official ATI driver from their website a couple of weeks ago
[08:12] <zzzzzsolt> i installed it today
[08:12] <zzzzzsolt> same problems
[08:12] <Wizzard> what is glx and dvi?
[08:13] <zzzzzsolt> glx seems to be the mesa glx module
[08:13] <nikkia> buz, afaik, yes, but not in the west
[08:13] <zzzzzsolt> but i'm a noob :)
[08:13] <buz> crap
[08:13] <nikkia> buz, nvidia seem to sell more '2*dvi only' cards in japan, for some reason
[08:13] <nikkia> well, there's no real mystery about it...
[08:13] <buz> japanese probably like dvi
[08:13] <buz> europeans seems to give jack shit about dvi
[08:13] <JakubS_> zzzzzsolt: see /var/log/Xorg.0.log - there may be some clue about what went wrong
[08:14] <nikkia> its because HDTV is popular over there, they can put on 2 DVI sockets, or DVI+HDMI and avoid the need for video out, just let the HDTV users use DVI/HDMI
[08:14] <zzzzzsolt> k i'll check it out
[08:14] <buz> mhh makes sense
[08:14] <buz> they should sell me one
[08:14] <buz> i'll hook up dvi screens, too
[08:14] <buz> gf5200 would do
[08:14] <nikkia> buz, i looked for such a card a while back, was looking for a dual DVI FX5200, and japanese sites was where i ended up :/
[08:14] <buz> iirc, siemens got one
[08:15] <buz> but i'm not sure if they sell it or if its just for integration into their pcs
[08:15] <nikkia> buz, i have a dual DVI FX5200 at work
[08:15] <nikkia> buz, sort of, anyway
[08:15] <buz> who made it
[08:15] <zzzzzsolt> oops
[08:15] <nikkia> its a Dell branded 5200, with a big connector and 2 cables, one splits ->2VGA, the other 2DVI
[08:15] <buz> there a few R300 dual dvi but i dont want ati anymore
[08:15] <buz> mhh
[08:15] <zzzzzsolt> (WW) fglrx(0): Kernel Module version does *not* match driver.
[08:15] <buz> possibly the same
[08:16] <zzzzzsolt> (EE) fglrx(0): incompatible kernel module detected - HW accelerated OpenGL will not work
[08:16] <nikkia> zzzzzsolt: welcome to ATI-hell
[08:16] <nikkia> zzzzzsolt: may i recommend ordering a nvidia card :P
[08:16] <zzzzzsolt> damnit. it was their installer!
[08:17] <zzzzzsolt> right, i'll rip the mobility 9700 from my lappy right away
[08:17] <zzzzzsolt> or the passive cooled 9700 prom from this machine
[08:17] <zzzzzsolt> i gotta get this fixed...
[08:17] <buz> there are passively cooled gf6600
[08:18] <zzzzzsolt> i could just move tha passive cooler to any card though, that's not the point
[08:18] <zzzzzsolt> hmm a 6600 would be nice...
[08:18] <zzzzzsolt> but you know what? it costs a lot more than fixing this driver :)
[08:19] <buz> no you cant just move coolers in general
[08:19] <buz> they usually fit for a few select cards
[08:19] <zzzzzsolt> mine does
[08:19] <zzzzzsolt> i recommend it too
[08:20] <zzzzzsolt> aerocool vm-101
[08:20] <wellso> i would like a 6600
[08:20] <wellso> ideal price/performance ratio for my wallet
[08:21] <buz> vm is pretty flexible yes
[08:21] <buz> not sure if its up to a 6600 though
[08:21] <buz> i dont care
[08:21] <zzzzzsolt> it can dissipate 70 watts
[08:21] <buz> for me, a 5200 would be plenty
[08:21] <zzzzzsolt> without a fan...
[08:21] <zzzzzsolt> well, with a slow fan it sure can
[08:22] <zzzzzsolt> my 9700 pro makes 55 watts of heat
[08:22] <Wizzard> hey, what about that Firefox for KDE? does anybody knows about it?
[08:22] <zzzzzsolt> yea
[08:22] <Wizzard> I checked that website
[08:22] <aseigo> Wizzard: announcements upcoming at aKademy
[08:22] <zzzzzsolt> it's more like a gecko for kde
[08:22] <zzzzzsolt> but it's not ready anyway
[08:23] <zzzzzsolt> hey wizzard, look into the xorg log
[08:23] <Wizzard> it could be fine to have Gecko engine in Konqueror
[08:23] <zzzzzsolt> mine says kernel module version does not match driver
[08:24] <zzzzzsolt> so no hardware accel
[08:24] <Wizzard> where is that log?
[08:24] <Wizzard> sorry
[08:24] <zzzzzsolt> var/log/xorg.0.log
[08:25] <Wizzard> there is nothing special in that log
[08:25] <zzzzzsolt> look for (EE)
[08:25] <zzzzzsolt> or (WW)
[08:25] <Wizzard> yep
[08:25] <zzzzzsolt> hmm that sounds good
[08:26] <zzzzzsolt> ok stupid question
[08:26] <zzzzzsolt> how do i save xorg.conf in kate?
[08:26] <apokryphos> zzzzzsolt: you have to run it as root. alt+f2 -> kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:26] <oSx> hey i just changed from gentoo to kubuntu and everything works like a charm, but when i connect to my server via ssh scands dont seem to work ()?
[08:27] <zzzzzsolt> thanks :)
[08:30] <buz> http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20050803215728.html i wonder if i could use the 125$ one on my standard 939 board
[08:30] <buz> that would rock
[08:30] <buz> and even be cheaper than the corresponding athlon64 ;)
[08:46] <oSx> anyone know how to fix keyboard layout so it shows and and ?
[08:46] <oSx> and also alt+1 etc
[08:47] <equex> oSx:
[08:47] <oSx> yea?
[08:47] <equex> i have the exact same problem
[08:47] <oSx> heh
[08:48] <equex> hehe :) only .no chars
[08:48] <equex> havent been able to get it fixed, been bothering this chanell a lot
[08:48] <oSx> when im on my own computer i can see the but when i ssh to my server and use irssi i get ascii instead of
[08:48] <equex> oh youre lucky then
[08:48] <oSx> well... i use only my server to chat
[08:49] <oSx> so it doesnt help if i see the chars on my own pc :P
[08:49] <equex> i lost the entire keyboard layout control
[08:49] <oSx> heh
[08:49] <equex> it just stopped working, cant be operated from kcontrol
[08:49] <oSx> :\
[08:50] <equex> tried reinstalling X, upgrade kde, mess around
[08:50] <oSx> :\
[08:51] <equex> and im not sure if its a kde issue or an x issue
[08:51] <oSx> gentoo has been only distro which had the scands working automatically :)
[08:51] <oSx> i guess its kde
[08:51] <equex> i had it working easily when i installed kubuntu
[08:51] <oSx> cos i have had this same issue with every distro+kde
[08:51] <oSx> except gentoo
[08:51] <equex> haha
[08:51] <equex> ok ill mess more with it
[08:51] <oSx> tell me if you fix it
[08:51] <oSx> :)
[08:52] <equex> will do
[08:57] <insanekane> hi apokryphos, nikkia
[08:57] <apokryphos> he
[08:57] <apokryphos> s/he/hey
[08:57] <insanekane> hi
[08:58] <insanekane> looks like 2 districts in my state will be underwater, if the dam breaks ie
[09:06] <gus> hi --- what is the best way to get firefox installed into Kubuntu?
[09:07] <gus> I have a permission problem in executing firefox -- works as root -- not as default user
[09:07] <apokryphos> gus: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[09:07] <gus> yes.. then after smooth install i $ firefox and it returns to the next line.
[09:08] <gus> no firefox
[09:08] <gus> as root #firefox.. it opens
[09:08] <apokryphos> Something's going wrong, clearly. Gotta go now for dinner; bbl.
[09:08] <gus> running strace firefox gives ALOT of output, so I am being lazy by asking in the channel :) sorry
[09:09] <gus> apokryphos: cheers :)
[09:22] <_alexis> hi
[09:23] <OculusAquilae> hi _alexis
[09:23] <_alexis> I've got problem with Kopete, i can't connect to my MSN account
[09:24] <_alexis> it said wrong password everytime
[09:24] <_alexis> (sorry for my english...)
[09:25] <malte> i had that problem too, before i upgraded to 3.4.2
[09:26] <_alexis> ok thx
[09:26] <mart> msn like to change their protocols every so often.. :(
[09:26] <_alexis> but how du you upgrad to 3.4.2 ?
[09:27] <apokryphos> mart: I think the change was on Kopete's side
[09:27] <apokryphos> the place where it grabbed passwords from was changed
[09:27] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell _alexis about kde342
[09:28] <_guillaume> hi
[09:28] <_alexis> hi
[09:28] <mart> apokryphos: yes, that's what I mean, msn change their setup, and all the IM clients have to keep up
[09:29] <mart> apokryphos: oh,
[09:29] <apokryphos> Yah, it was on Kopete's side since, as I recall, gaim/amsn et al. worked fine over the transition period
[09:29] <mart> apokryphos: I thought that one was an msn bug, because even when I put the correct password in it didn't work
[09:30] <mart> but ok, maybe msn didn't change it (this time)
[09:30] <mart> s/maybe/then/
[09:31] <mart> anyone remember what the directory under .kde I can put startup scripts in?
[09:31] <apokryphos> mart: Autostart/ :)
[09:31] <mart> apokryphos: really? I thought that was for .desktop files?
[09:32] <thoreauputic> mart: I use it to start xscreensaver :)
[09:32] <apokryphos> mart: nope
[09:33] <mart> oh, is it possible to set environment variables in .kde?
[09:34] <mart> ah, scripts and .desktop files work...
[09:34] <aseigo> mart: sure. but if you want them to be session-wide you need to set them before login
[09:39] <mart> aseigo: assuming kdm, can I do this using a file in the home dir?
[09:43] <davy> hello ppl
[09:48] <davy> does anyone know how to install another language for kde?
[09:51] <insanekane> davy: "sudo apt-cache search kde-i18n" ... then look for your appropriate language, ... suppose it is is Malayalam, then you need to install kde-i18n-ml ... in which case you do "sudo apt-get install kde-i18n-ml"
[09:52] <davy> thanks mate :), i`ll try that immediaty :D
[09:52] <insanekane> k
[09:52] <mikko> I installed ubuntu today and then installed kde. I did what is needed to play mp3, but I can't hear any sound. not even wav
[09:53] <insanekane> mikko: tried increasing volume ?
[09:53] <mikko> yes
[09:53] <insanekane> mikko: did alsamixer work ?
[09:53] <mikko> no. I've tried alsa and sis
[09:53] <mikko> I mean oss
[09:53] <insanekane> okie
[09:54] <insanekane> maybe the correct module was not loaded ?
[09:54] <mikko> hmm. I'm not a beginner in linux but not a pro either...
[09:55] <insanekane> mikko: try lspci .. locate your sound card ... then do lsmod, and look for entries starting with snd_ ... see if any module corresponds to your card
[09:55] <insanekane> mikko: whats your sound card ?
[09:56] <mikko> it's a chip on my motherboard which is asrock k7s8x
[09:56] <davy> cool :D, thanks insanekane, i have installed dutch now
[09:56] <insanekane> davy: enjoy :)
[09:56] <davy> i reckon i need to log out and choose dutch :D brb
[09:57] <insanekane> mikko: it uses ac97 codec
[09:57] <mikko> yes
[09:57] <insanekane> mikko: look for snd_ac97_codec in the lsmod
[09:57] <insanekane> in the output of lsmod
[09:58] <mikko> I found it
[09:58] <mikko> snd_ac97_codec 64608 1 snd_intel8x0
[10:00] <mikko> insanekane: a dumb question, does it matter that it says intel over there? my processor is amd
[10:02] <insanekane> mikko: hmm, i am checking
[10:03] <insanekane> mikko: some non-ubuntu links -> http://www.linuxcompatible.org/Asrock_k7s8x-_Rh9-no_sound_t575.html
[10:03] <insanekane> mikko: http://www.linuxcompatible.org/ASROCK_Mandrake_10.1_v_installation_problem_t30802.html
[10:06] <insanekane> milksteak: if you know german (or whatever it is) -> http://www.ubuntu-forum.de/thread.php?threadid=630
[10:06] <insanekane> err
[10:06] <insanekane> mikko: check this out ... seems someone has solved it -> http://www.ubuntu-forum.de/thread.php?threadid=996
[10:07] <_michal> hello?
[10:07] <_michal> any body hear me??
[10:07] <manuel_> Hi Guys, I hace troubles mounting a win 2k3 share on my kubuntu, I'm using smb4k right now, I installed smnmnt and smbumount with suid. The share mounts ok, it doesn't give errors, but when i tri to do an "ls" on that folder I get a "Permision denied"
[10:07] <_michal> ok
[10:07] <milksteak> yeah
[10:07] <buz> insanekane: LOL, it wouldnt work because he didnt activate all channels in kmixer
[10:07] <insanekane> haha ok :)
[10:08] <manuel_> even mounting it manually as root gives me a "Permision denied"
[10:08] <insanekane> buz: perhaps you need to tell *mikko* that instead of me ?
[10:09] <mikko> my german is not very good
[10:09] <Fraeon> Mein is.
[10:09] <Fraeon> Mine is. :<
[10:10] <Fraeon> I can say "WUNDERBAR!" while holding two miniguns
[10:10] <insanekane> mikko: well, why don't you try buz's suggestioin first ? enable all channels in the kmixer ?
[10:10] <mikko> I've tried
[10:11] <buz> well i was assuming that you cant be that stupid, really ;9
[10:11] <insanekane> mikko: ok, in that case .. try this ... modprobe snd-cmipci
[10:11] <insanekane> mikko: sudo modprobe snd-cmipci
[10:12] <mikko> I still can't hear anything?
[10:13] <insanekane> hrmm
[10:13] <insanekane> mikko: lspci | grep -i audio
[10:13] <mikko> Now I heard something
[10:13] <mikko> wait
[10:13] <insanekane> eh ?
[10:15] <mikko> I pressed enter in terminal and heard something.... it could be just a noice that crappy heaphones connector takes
[10:15] <insanekane> bah!
[10:15] <salil> can anyone tell me.. how do i convert movie files to mobile movie files.. ??? is there any software for that in linux..??
[10:16] <insanekane> mobile movie files ?
[10:16] <salil> yes
[10:16] <buz> mhh
[10:16] <buz> what format do you need
[10:16] <salil> any format.. i wanna watch movies on my mobile..
[10:16] <buz> well obviously your mobile will only support certain format
[10:17] <salil> 3gp or avi or anyother.. which is a good format.. with good quality
[10:17] <insanekane> mikko: lspci | grep -i audio
[10:17] <insanekane> avi isn't even a format afaik
[10:17] <salil> do you know pvplayer.. ..?? it will support 3gp as well as avi.. which is encoded to run in a mobile..
[10:17] <buz> avi is just a rather lousy container
[10:17] <buz> 3gp isn't a format either
[10:17] <insanekane> hehe
[10:17] <buz> i was thinking something along the lines of mpeg4
[10:17] <buz> (which i think is supported by my p900 somehow
[10:18] <buz> not that i ever cared
[10:18] <salil> i have Nokia N-Gage
[10:18] <buz> i think i remember that one supporting mpeg4 with aac sound
[10:18] <buz> not entirely sure though
[10:18] <insanekane> ok im off
[10:18] <salil> really..
[10:18] <salil> can you tell me which one that is..
[10:19] <mikko> ikko@:~$ lspci | grep -i audio
[10:19] <mikko> 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0)
[10:19] <insanekane> mikko: cat /proc/asound/cards
[10:19] <mikko> mikko@:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards
[10:19] <mikko> 0 [SI7012 ] : ICH - SiS SI7012
[10:19] <mikko> SiS SI7012 with CMI9761 at 0xdc00, irq 18
[10:20] <insanekane> mikko: sudo modprobe snd-cmipci
[10:20] <buz> mikko: what chipset have you got?
[10:21] <insanekane> buz: the damn spec is all wrong :/
[10:21] <nikkia> salil: mplayer will support .3gp just fine, if you add one line to the codecs config
[10:21] <nikkia> i imagine that change should affect all mplayer derived players too
[10:21] <salil> nikkia: i want to convert files from my computer so that they can run on my mobile..
[10:21] <buz> chances are mplayer can do that somehiw
[10:21] <buz> somehow
[10:21] <nikkia> salil: ummm, should be possible
[10:22] <nikkia> .3gp files are just mpeg4 with a different fourcc iirc
[10:22] <insanekane> mikko: are you going to do this today ?
[10:22] <salil> nikkia: yes..
[10:22] <mikko> I did it
[10:22] <salil> nikkia: what is all that..?
[10:22] <insanekane> mikko: ok ... in that case
[10:22] <mikko> but nothing happens except i hear shhh from the headphones plug
[10:22] <mikko> when I play a sound
[10:22] <buz> and when you dont play?
[10:22] <salil> nikkia: i'm just a newbie... used windows all my life.. i'm converting to linux now.
[10:22] <mikko> shhh but constant
[10:22] <buz> mhh static noise then
[10:23] <insanekane> mikko: edit /etc/modules .. and add snd-cmipci at the end of the file, save and exit. then restart
[10:23] <nikkia> ffmpeg has *limited* H263 encoding, and i can't make sense of its H264 support :P
[10:23] <buz> i tried a commercial H264 once
[10:23] <buz> dunno what sort of hardware you need for that
[10:23] <nikkia> i think the ngage's .3gp are h263...
[10:23] <buz> a amd643000+ wasnt enough anyway
[10:24] <insanekane> buz: this webpage describes mikko's problem exactly (afaict) ... http://www.ubuntu-forum.de/thread.php?threadid=996
[10:24] <insanekane> mikko: im off
[10:24] <salil> nikkia: what is h236..??
[10:24] <buz> insanekane: i looked at it before
[10:24] <nikkia> salil: h263 and h264 are sub-standards of the MPEG4 video standard
[10:24] <buz> i'm too lazy to translate it all. will skim and post stuff i deem important
[10:25] <salil> nikkia: ooh.. .. i have no idea about all those things..
[10:25] <buz> i think h263 covers more than that, isn't it essentially a video conference spec
[10:25] <buz> which just happens to use mpeg4 simple profile as codec
[10:25] <nikkia> salil: h263 is commonly used for mobile phones, h264 is the video encoding to be used for HDTV (iirc), but i've seen some mobiles do h264 too (its general purpose, doesn't have to be hi-def)
[10:25] <mikko> mikko@:~$ sudo edit /etc/modules
[10:25] <mikko> sudo: unable to lookup via gethostbyname()
[10:25] <mikko> Warning: unknown mime-type for "/etc/modules" -- using "application/*"
[10:25] <mikko> Error: no "edit" mailcap rules found for type "application/*"
[10:25] <buz> at the moment, most hdtv is still mpeg2
[10:25] <salil> nikkia: okay.. so what do i do now..
[10:26] <salil> nikkia: how do i start my work..?
[10:26] <buz> insanekane: that german post seems to be using gnome
[10:26] <buz> mapping gnome menu entries to kde is too hard
[10:26] <nikkia> salil: first of all, install ffmpeg from somewhere (its not in the common repositories in a form you want, since h263 is most definitely a restricted format)
[10:27] <buz> mikko: try installing "libesd-alsa0" if you havent already
[10:27] <salil> nikkia: okay.. letme search for it..
[10:27] <nikkia> salil: after you've done that, its as simple as 'ffmpeg -i input.avi output.3gp'
[10:27] <nikkia> altho if the format isn't right for .3gp, you'll want to resize it
[10:28] <salil> nikkia: ooh.. and.. is there anyother format.. that you can convert to..?
[10:28] <buz> (then again i have a beamer in my living room ;)
[10:28] <nikkia> salil: ffmpeg converts to/from just about all formats known to man :P
[10:28] <nikkia> salil: although there are a few it can't write, only read
[10:28] <salil> that's great
[10:29] <buz> how about mencoder
[10:29] <buz> does that act as frontend to ffmpeg
[10:29] <nikkia> buz, it can, but whats the point?
[10:29] <buz> dunno, havent followed the development
[10:29] <buz> i dont care much for xvid anymore
[10:29] <nikkia> buz, passing ffmpeg command lines to mencoder via its ugly command line isn't much fun
[10:29] <salil> nikkia: there's a CVS.. so.. i just d'load the CVS and install .. is that it..?
[10:30] <buz> i only more care for dvd
[10:30] <buz> (or 720p divx ;)
[10:30] <nikkia> salil: possibly, that sounds an awful lot like marrilat's repository, and it may or may not work :P
[10:30] <bobbyd> I have some very strange behaviour from knetload, it doesn't display a continuous load, only regular 'spikes', has anyone seen this?
[10:30] <salil> nikkia: http://ffmpeg.sourceforge.net/download.php........ this is it..
[10:31] <nikkia> oh, i see, you're downloading source, good luck
[10:31] <salil> nikkia: i'll need that..
[10:32] <salil> nikkia: i'm using gnome as well as kde... can you tell me how to change the folder's icons in gnome..?
[10:33] <buz> bobbyd: did you try a steady download of a biiiig package?
[10:33] <buz> say like some iso ?
[10:33] <buz> it seems to work quite well for me
[10:34] <bobbyd> buz, yes, I have it working fine on my other pc, this is definitly weird behaviour
[10:34] <buz> mhh it seems quite accurate on my box
[10:34] <bobbyd> buz, the weird thing is that they both run kubuntu :)
[10:34] <bobbyd> I'll reinstall it
[10:34] <buz> different hardware maybe
[10:34] <nikkia> gah!!!
[10:34] <nikkia> i forgot that unix file timestamps suck!
[10:35] <Jeezis> hmm
[10:35] <buz> i rather like the concept of timestamps
[10:35] <nikkia> buz, if they work, yes
[10:35] <buz> muuuch better than standard times ;)
[10:35] <Jeezis> is there anywhere i can download the qt-devel package for kubuntu?
[10:35] <nikkia> buz, however, i challenge you to find the creation time of /var/log/messages
[10:36] <nikkia> buz, the problem is, you can't, at all
[10:36] <nikkia> the 3 timestamps available are all updated each time its written to
[10:36] <buz> i think you can
[10:36] <nikkia> buz, no, you can't :/
[10:36] <buz> at least on freebsd, there is a ctime in the struct ;)
[10:36] <nikkia> buz, ctime isn't creation time
[10:36] <nikkia> buz, ctime is 'control time'
[10:37] <nikkia> buz, its the time the inode was last changed
[10:37] <buz> that is weird
[10:37] <nikkia> buz, try ls -l --time=atime /var/log/messages (last accessed time)
[10:37] <buz> because on bsd box, it would show quite sensible stuff
[10:37] <nikkia> then try ls -l --time=ctime /var/log/messages
[10:37] <nikkia> they'll be identical (last time a message was written to the file)
[10:38] <buz> actually not
[10:38] <buz> atime is last READ from it ;)
[10:38] <nikkia> buz, yes, but it gets updated when the file is written, too
[10:38] <nikkia> buz, as i said, unix...file timestamps... suck :)
[10:38] <buz> no it does not
[10:39] <nikkia> accessed and modified are ok, but you *need* a created time too
[10:39] <buz> before i run tail messages
[10:39] <buz> it atime was 5 days old ;)
[10:40] <nikkia> buz, actually, i dunno why, but that particular file is odd on mine, others show atime's older than ctime's
[10:40] <nikkia> but either way, ctime still doesn't show created time :(
[10:41] <nikkia> iirc, there *IS* a way to get it from the filesystem
[10:41] <nikkia> but it only works on ext2/3 filesystems, and is non-portable
[10:44] <Jeezis> gah, how can ubuntu have all the qt3 packages and not have the qt-devel package?
[10:44] <nikkia> Jeezis: because its not called qt-devel
[10:44] <Jeezis> nikkia: ..oh :-p what is it called?
[10:44] <buz> nikkia: maybe you have something watching it?
[10:45] <bobbyd> Jeezis, most people dont need the devel packages
[10:45] <nikkia> libqt3-mt-dev
[10:45] <Jeezis> bobbyd: i need them to install qtella
[10:45] <Jeezis> thanks
[10:45] <Jeezis> nope, no qt3-dev
[10:46] <Jeezis> i need the qt headers
[10:46] <nikkia> buz, regardless of whether its being watched or not, it helps me not with determining age of file :P
[10:46] <buz> of course, apt-get build-dep is my friend ;)
[10:46] <nikkia> buz, its going to involve tracking by hand with a berkley db keyed with filename, i can tell
[10:46] <buz> nikkia: actually, it would be the same age as the last mtime of messages.0 hehe
[10:46] <nikkia> buz, erm, no, it wouldn't
[10:47] <buz> why not
[10:47] <nikkia> buz, i have no log rotation here, that's what i'm writing right now :P
[10:47] <buz> you still on your LFS trip
[10:47] <nikkia> buz, even if i wasn't, the standard rotatelogs are too limited
[10:48] <buz> good enough for me
[10:57] <foobrain> is there a subversion shell ingegration app in Linux? like tortoise svn for win32?
[10:57] <foobrain> integration*
[11:01] <bobbyd> foobrain, search freshmeat
[11:03] <foobrain> bobbyd: ok, I'll do that
[11:03] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Can anyone reccomend a good frontend for mplayer? With selectable video and subtitle streams for .ogm and .mkv files etc.?
[11:04] <foobrain> I could Ksvn, currently in beta, I'll give that a try, thanks
[11:04] <foobrain> could <- found
[11:04] <foobrain> donno what I was thinking when I wrote that sentance
[11:14] <foobrain> what irc client software is the best?
[11:15] <jpatrick> Konversation
[11:15] <foobrain> what about xchat?
[11:15] <jpatrick> no idea
[11:15] <foobrain> ok
[11:15] <jpatrick> I just stick to Konversation
[11:16] <foobrain> ok, I
[11:16] <foobrain> 'm running X-Chat now, but it doesn't ... feel right
[11:16] <apokryphos> Konversation, Ksirc and Kvirc are all good kde alternatives
[11:17] <foobrain> apokryphos: what about X-Chat?
[11:17] <apokryphos> foobrain: that's GTK
[11:17] <apokryphos> though despite that, I tend to not like it as much. Konversation integrates well; has a few cool features. KVirc has scripting, which is great if you want to highly customize your client
[11:18] <apokryphos> bbiaf
[11:33] <pax> whoa! root has landed
[11:33] <Jeezis> what would i use to install an rpm in kubuntu?
[11:34] <pax> use alien
[11:34] <Jeezis> alien?
[11:34] <pax> !akien
[11:34] <ubotu> pax: I don't know, could you explain it?
[11:34] <pax> !alien
[11:34] <ubotu> somebody said alien was a program to convert RPMs to DEBs. Can give problems. Website: http://www.kitenet.net/programs/alien/
[11:35] <Jeezis> hmm, well, thats as good a lead as i've found yet :-p
[11:35] <_douglas> how do I make konqueror always allow java applets by default, because right now I have to load the site, click use java, and then reload the site to get them to work?
[11:37] <pax> settings:/Network/WebBrowsing/ > Java > enable java globaly
[11:38] <pax> stype that in konqueror _douglas
[11:39] <_douglas> that didn't work, it said error while loading settings
[11:40] <_douglas> unknown settings folder
[11:40] <pax> _douglas: in konqueror type this ----> settings:/Network/WebBrowsing/
[11:40] <pax> _douglas: then click Java
[11:40] <_douglas> ok
[11:40] <pax> _douglas: then enable java globally
[11:41] <_douglas> I clicked java
[11:41] <_douglas> and it's already enabled globaly
[11:41] <pax> you have a path for java?
[11:42] <_douglas> yea
[11:42] <pax> click the next tab 'JavaScript'
[11:43] <pax> Enable JavaScript globally
[11:43] <pax> you will have to Apply changes and reload konqueror
[11:43] <_douglas> that's already set too :(
[11:46] <_douglas> thanks bye
[11:56] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Finally! A decent BitTorrent application for Linux. And just for the record, I think Azureus is anything but decent
[11:57] <apokryphos> Rogue_Jedi_X: which one and why
[12:00] <equex> semi protocols like settings:// and such, are they only internal to konqueror or are they available from other places, like in file requesters and such ?
[12:00] <apokryphos> equex: they're KIOslaves, and hence, specific to Konqueror
[12:00] <apokryphos> or, at least an app that specifically implements them
[12:01] <equex> i see
[12:01] <equex> would be sweet if media:/ was available from inside a file requester
[12:02] <apokryphos> equex: oh, sorry, it is -- for KDE apps
[12:02] <apokryphos> i.e. open Kate and type media:/
[12:03] <equex> ok :) i see now
[12:03] <apokryphos> there's a list of others in kioslave documentation; type help:/kioslave
[12:03] <equex> new to the architechture
[12:03] <apokryphos> (in Konqueror)
[12:03] <Rogue_Jedi_X> apokryphos: Sorry, went to have a snack. KTorrent. As for why: It's not a system hog
[12:04] <apokryphos> Rogue_Jedi_X: KTorrent is still *really* buggy
[12:04] <apokryphos> and Azureus isn't *that* CPU intesive, though it does begin to be with several apps
[12:04] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Works fine so far
[12:04] <apokryphos> Azureus is decent enough for me (not too cpu-intensive) with two torrents running
[12:05] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I've had problems with it and Kaffeine
[12:05] <apokryphos> KTorrent has only finished about 2 of the 15 torrents I've tried so far. It's improving fast though :)
[12:05] <Rogue_Jedi_X> On Mandrake, that is
[12:05] <apokryphos> integration with kget is gonna be real nice
[12:05] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Now that would be sweet
[12:05] <apokryphos> There's a known problem with the kaffeine issue; it's possible to fix on ubuntu
[12:05] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Really? How?
[12:05] <apokryphos> Rogue_Jedi_X: Yeah. You'll be able to just drag a torrent file into kget, or a URL into it
[12:06] <salil> can anyone help me with crontab..??
[12:06] <apokryphos> !kaffeinefix
[12:06] <ubotu> Wish i knew, apokryphos
[12:06] <apokryphos> doh, hmm
[12:06] <apokryphos> !kaffeineprob
[12:06] <ubotu> it has been said that kaffeineprob is at http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html#probkaffeine
[12:06] <Rogue_Jedi_X> "KGet. The Universal Downloader" I like the sound of that
[12:06] <Rogue_Jedi_X> *click*
[12:06] <salil> help please
[12:06] <apokryphos> Yup; it's the most wanted wish on bugs.kde.org; be back in a few
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[08:11] <pef> hello !
[08:20] <pef> kde locales seems to be broken :/
[09:16] <Kmorph> Hello
[09:34] <author> hello Kmorph
[09:35] <Kmorph> Just wondering what one has to do if interested in joining the Kubuntu team
[09:38] <author> HelpingKubuntu Wiki?
[09:39] <author> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//HelpingKubuntu
[09:43] <Kmorph> Thanks author ;)
[09:43] <author|afk> np
[09:53] <Kmorph> Author: I was developing a MySQL frontend GUI for KDE and hopefully should be out by the end of the Year.
[09:54] <author|afk> mhm and how can i be helpfull?
[09:55] <author|afk> i will go out with my dogs.. see you in 30 min? bye
[09:56] <Kmorph> Maybe when I start testing you can come in. Its my first KDE app (and even opensource) to write and I'm not sure what happens and also the procedure. I'd love some guidance
[09:56] <Kmorph> I have just one problem though. My computer crashed and its a major setback.
[10:24] <author|afk> re
[10:24] <author|afk> Kmorph: And are you lost the data?
[10:25] <Kmorph> Yes
[10:25] <Kmorph> I did have a backup but it never had all that data in it. The sources for the app werent backed up yet.
[10:26] <author|afk> oh thats bad
[10:27] <author|afk> and the you hope the kubuntu-dev team can help you?
[10:27] <author|afk> mhm sry but i cannot help you because i'm not in the dev team ;)
[10:30] <Kmorph> not help in getting the my data back. Knowledge of Kubuntu and involment/contribution
[10:31] <author|afk> ah include your programm in the reps and adding a help file in kubuntu?`
[10:32] <Kmorph> Yes. :)
[10:32] <author|afk> ah ok i can write the helpfile
[10:32] <author|afk> or has you written it?
[10:33] <Kmorph> I haven't done that yet. I shall notify you when I'm done
[10:34] <Kmorph> If you don;t minf my asking, what country are you in? I'm in Kenya, Africa and Linux is still getting into the public arena but quit slow.
[10:34] <author|afk> please set language variables, then i can translate you app
[10:35] <Kmorph> Cool!
[10:36] <author|afk> mhm yeah... how you think..
[10:38] <Kmorph> I shall definetely accept your help.
[10:41] <author|afk> I hope i can help YOU ;)
[10:43] <froud> African Greetings
[10:44] <Kmorph> Hi froud
[10:44] <Kmorph> Froud: African Greeting to you from Kenya
[10:45] <froud> co.za
[10:45] <froud> :-)
[10:45] <froud> Good to see some fellow African's around here
[10:45] <froud> Kmorph: if you need help written for apps we can use ubuntu-doc svn server
[10:46] <froud> we have a few k docs in there
[10:46] <Kmorph> Thanks froud
[10:46] <froud> will the app move upstream
[10:48] <froud> Kmorph: what app is it?
[10:48] <froud> MySQL frontend GUI for KDE does it have a name?
[10:48] <froud> author: ping
[10:49] <Kmorph> Still trying to figure out one
[10:49] <author> hier
[10:49] <author> oh i mean im here :D
[10:49] <froud> author: written contributions welcome on http://lnix.net/~froud
[10:49] <author> sry LOL i allready use german here
[10:49] <OculusAquilae> :-) author
[10:49] <froud> lots of projects to write on
[10:50] <froud> src in ubuntu docteam svn
[10:50] <author> http://www.kubuntu.de/
[10:50] <author> i have translate this
[10:50] <author> anf
[10:50] <author> and
[10:50] <author> http://www.ubuntu-de.org/viewtopic.php?p=60364#60364
[10:50] <author> this
[10:50] <author> and it will be everey day more and more :D
[10:51] <froud> author: nice
[10:51] <author> mhm its only that what kubuntu give to me; i give back :D
[10:51] <OculusAquilae> author: you should wirte kde 3.4 not kde 3.4.2, 3.4.2 is not official, is it.
[10:52] <author> sry dont unterstand?
[10:52] <author> what did you mean?
[10:52] <OculusAquilae> on kubuntu.de you have written that kubuntu uses 3.4.2. In the original install it only has 3.4.0
[10:53] <OculusAquilae> i mean kde
[10:53] <author> mom
[10:54] <OculusAquilae> author: we should have a german kubuntu channel for example #kubuntu-de
[10:54] <author> i now
[10:54] <author> but in the german ubuntu community kubuntu is not so populair
[10:54] <OculusAquilae> not?
[10:55] <author> anyone says "author its not good that you translate the thinks"
[10:55] <author> not realy
[10:55] <author> in the ubuntuusers.de forum kubuntu has a minimal support
[10:55] <OculusAquilae> author: i read many people wanting to install kde on ubuntu
[10:55] <author> yes thats right
[10:56] <OculusAquilae> in germany, ch and au :-)
[10:56] <author> but thesupport for kde is not realy good
[10:57] <OculusAquilae> thats because we need a new channel :-)
[10:57] <author> mhm
[10:57] <author> okay i will go every day in this channel ;)
[10:58] <OculusAquilae> german people can help new users better in german than in english :-)
[10:58] <author> i give my best in forums and other documents :D
[10:59] <Kmorph> have to bail out. see you guys later!
[11:00] <author> bye
[12:01] <author> wb
[12:07] <Riddell> tvo!
[12:07] <tvo> yup I'm back
[12:08] <tvo> my monitor was dead, so it took a few days longer
[12:08] <tvo> now installing the new one..
[12:28] <author> wb
[01:54] <Riddell> tvo: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=15163
[01:55] <Riddell> tvo: horrible usability there but if you added google suggest to konqueror's normal google search that would be ubercool
[01:56] <tvo> Riddell: I'll take a look
[01:56] <tvo> there are way too much things to work on though, so I'll have to make a decision soon
[01:57] <Riddell> always the way
[02:10] <tvo> Riddell: I think there are two main routes: 1) inotify locate or 2) tweaks/bugfixes to a number of progs
[02:10] <tvo> since inotify locate will take some time
[02:11] <tvo> so, what would be priority for breezy?
[02:14] <Riddell> hmm
[02:15] <Riddell> 2) would make KDE look cooler
[02:15] <Riddell> 1) would be more difficult in terms of working with upstream (locate is GNU no?)
[02:15] <Riddell> 1) would help all of GNU/Linux-kind
[02:16] <author> "Nachricht von Riddell, Zeitpunkt: 14:15:11
[02:16] <author> 2) would make KDE look cooler" <- Its a wich from all german users ;)
[02:16] <tvo> Riddell: yeah locate is GNU findutils, I'm not sure about slocate though
[02:17] <Riddell> "It was downloaded from ftp.stormix.com"
[02:17] <Riddell> slocate that is
[02:17] <tvo> I prefer to work on a single larger project, so if I had to choose I'd go for inotify locate
[02:18] <tvo> with lots of hardcore programming :-)
[02:18] <author> it means hardcode or fast programming?
[02:19] <tvo> I ment programming as opposed to making gui's, writing docs and fixing little bugs
[02:19] <Riddell> "Upstream Author(s): Kevin Lindsay [email protected]"
[02:20] <Riddell> tvo: contact him and see what he says
[02:20] <author> its this the "artwork" manager of kubuntu?
[02:20] <tvo> Riddell: okay I'll drop him an e-mail
[02:20] <Riddell> author: hmm?
[02:21] <author> its okay..
[02:21] <author> forget it plz ;)
[05:02] <author> *rofl* for all users that only use linux the best news for this day! http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/ (first virus for windows "visita")
[07:03] <fromoze> Is in the tasklist of breezy compile qt with "es_ES" layout support?
[07:06] <Riddell> fromoze: what is that?
[07:10] <fromoze> When I try breezy in my amd64 i must return to hoary because I can't write special spanish carachters ( ). I meet someone now with the same problem, them I remember the problem
[07:10] <Riddell> oh, is that the X keyboard issue?
[07:10] <fromoze> no, just qt
[07:11] <fromoze> no-qt apps worked fine
[07:11] <Riddell> hmm
[07:11] <fromoze> but kde is a qt app... :/
[07:11] <Riddell> I'm not sure what would affect that
[07:11] <fromoze> the boy I meet today with the same problem is on i386.
[07:12] <fromoze> I think is about the languajes module.
[07:12] <fromoze> s/languajes/language
[07:12] <Riddell> language packs are broken just now
[07:13] <Riddell> what happens if you install the hoary langp
[07:13] <fromoze> I didn't introduce a bug because I thinked it was just the first packages that were compiled without i18n
[07:13] <Riddell> langauge pack on breezy? http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/hoary-kde342/pool/kde-i18n/kde-i18n-es_3.4.2-0ubuntu0hoary1_all.deb
[07:13] <Riddell> dpkg --install --force-all kde-i18n-es_3.4.2-0ubuntu0hoary1_all.deb
[07:13] <fromoze> I'm trying
[07:13] <fromoze> well, downloading :)
[07:20] <pef> bye !
[07:22] <fromoze> Riddell: It look I don't need to force the install
[07:23] <fromoze> but, to see the changes, I must restart the session, do i?
[07:31] <fromoze> Riddell: must I restart the computer? The languaje package didn't bring me the problem ()
[07:42] <Riddell> fromoze: restarting the computer won't do anything over restarting the session
[07:42] <author> hello all
[07:43] <fromoze> Riddell: I supoosed that, just may be some tip with the x's font server
[07:45] <fromoze> Riddell: would you like the boy who's actually in breezy do any experiment?
[08:01] <Riddell> fromoze: I don't have any ideas at the moment
[08:03] <fromoze> Riddell: ok ;)
[08:04] <fromoze> Riddell: but I will remember you the problem if in the release candidates of kubuntu 5.10 the problem is still there :)
[08:05] <fromoze> Riddell: and may be I try to found some information about..
[08:07] <Riddell> fromoze: yeah, don't let me forget
[09:23] <author> wb
[09:35] <Riddell> tvo: do you have a kio-locate package we can upload?
[09:35] <Riddell> uploading new versions will be a lot harder once its in main
[09:36] <tvo> Riddell: I didn't make any new ones
[09:36] <tvo> Riddell: you mean it's better to fix any bugs and upload it the last moment?
[09:37] <Riddell> tvo: I just want a tvo package in there before its moved into main
[09:37] <Riddell> since main is in upstream version freeze
[09:38] <Riddell> tvo: so I can upload tvo0.1 if you think it's stable enough, or if you have more changes you can make an updated package
[09:39] <tvo> Riddell: in there == universe?
[09:39] <Riddell> tvo: yes, kio-locate is currently in universe
[09:39] <Riddell> but I've requested it be moved to main
[09:39] <Riddell> so it can be on CDs
[09:39] <tvo> Riddell: tvo--0.1 is stable, the fixes I have to do are more or less only cosmetic
[09:40] <Riddell> I'll upload 0.1 nowish then
[09:40] <Riddell> now-ish
[09:40] <tvo> ok
[09:43] <tvo> Riddell: all todos are on wiki, I clean it up a bit and added some comments from kde-apps
[09:44] <tvo> s/clean/cleaned/
[10:30] <Riddell> hello venda
[10:30] <venda> Riddell:
[10:30] <venda> waz up
[10:31] <Riddell> I'm going on a mad universe upload spree
[10:31] <venda> Ok
[10:31] <venda> nothing new in kubuntu-docs yet
[10:32] <Riddell> venda: did you get breezy installed?
[10:32] <venda> downloaded the iso, not had time to do the rest :-(
[10:33] <venda> work, paid work must go first
[10:34] <Riddell> understandable
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2005-08-15-#ubuntu-meeting
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[03:26] <Kader_Turko> hi?
[03:26] <Kader_Turko> =)
[03:26] <ajmitch> hello, this channel is just used for meetings :)
[03:27] <ajmitch> question, support, etc are in #ubuntu
[03:28] <Kader_Turko> ow, thnxz =)
[01:27] <LondonAndrew1> rehi
[01:27] <LondonAndrew1> losing my connection every 20 minutes at the moment. Argh
[01:31] <Seveas> ouch
[01:46] <JaneW> ***Reminder*** Edubuntu Update Meeting in 15 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting
[01:59] <JaneW> hi
[01:59] <LondonAndrew1> hi
[01:59] <JaneW> :)
[02:00] <ogra> hi
[02:00] <JaneW> ok is anyone here for the edubuntu meeting?
[02:00] <LondonAndrew1> *hands up*
[02:00] <JaneW> LondonAndrew1: good, just like our logo ;)
[02:00] <JaneW> p.s. are you really drewling? ;)
[02:00] <ogra> it couls be that i have to run out for a minute or two.... the baker is arriving soon here to bring my bread....
[02:01] <JaneW> ogra: lol - OK
[02:01] <JaneW> your village sounds very quaint
[02:01] <ogra> dont laugh.... its 20km to the next baker... and my GF is gone for 2 weeks
[02:02] <JaneW> ok, ogra the main focus for the first part of the meeting is where we are with the development...
[02:02] <LondonAndrew1> 2 weeks, will you survive?
[02:02] <JaneW> (shame, poor thing!)
[02:02] <ogra> hehe.... i guess so :)
[02:02] <JaneW> (not being totally sarcastic btw)
[02:02] <ogra> ok, do we start with the meeting ?
[02:02] <JaneW> anyway without the development all the other stuff is irrelevant
[02:03] <JaneW> mdz was not happy with progress
[02:03] <JaneW> in our last meeting
[02:03] <JaneW> have things improved?
[02:03] <ogra> i updated the http://edubuntu.org/EdubuntuOneDotZeroRoadmap
[02:03] <ogra> to relflect what has been done now...
[02:03] <JaneW> note to all our feature freeze is tomorrow (11 Aug)
[02:03] <JaneW> opening...
[02:04] <JaneW> btw is there an agreed deadline time?
[02:04] <ogra> i just shrunk the main inclusion reports page ....
[02:04] <JaneW> how far are the reports now?
[02:04] <ogra> since it talked about binarys, not source packages... looks way better now
[02:04] <JaneW> it sounds like corey has been really helpful with those...
[02:05] <ogra> its just a matter of time to complete the rest.... i'll make it tomorrow shortly before the deadline... it includes all dependencys now, so there shouldnt be any surprises
[02:05] <ogra> yes, corey was very helpful
[02:07] <ogra> my biggest prob this week was to make tzhe mediawiki packages "right" to not have to have two versions of php or two SQL servers installed... we have a mediawiki package that can do php5 and postgresql... (which are the two tools we use for all other stuff too)
[02:08] <ogra> (its unique in the linux world like this....)
[02:08] <JaneW> is media wiki ok now?
[02:09] <ogra> not completely... but i'll upload the package today... bugfixing will have to go on
[02:09] <ogra> but thats ok with the policy... the most important fact is to have a package ready before tomorrow
[02:09] <ogra> and not to add new features
[02:10] <JaneW> ok, the main includion reports - do you need more help, or are they taken care of?
[02:10] <ogra> so even if they are broken... they must be there
[02:10] <JaneW> ok...
[02:10] <ogra> i think corey is a bit busy with real life... i can need any help i can get
[02:10] <JaneW> do you still have issues with pitti? You siad it was up to him to approve some stuff?
[02:10] <ogra> but worst i'll do them alone... the list is really small now
[02:11] <JaneW> can anyone else help ogra with main inclusion reports? Please.
[02:11] <ogra> yes, gcompris will be the base for a discussion... i'm sure
[02:11] <ogra> but thats a thing between pitti any myself...
[02:11] <JaneW> ogra: since that's a high priority item, when will we know if it's approved or not?
[02:11] <ogra> and a matter of how many pizza i send him to ignore stuff *g*
[02:12] <JaneW> send lots!
[02:12] <ogra> if pitti has the time to look at it
[02:12] <JaneW> hmmm, how likely is that?
[02:12] <ogra> its out of our hands once the reports are finished
[02:12] <JaneW> he's prolly swamped with loads of requests atm...
[02:12] <ogra> since he is the one to approve
[02:13] <JaneW> ok, how can we get the reports finished asap?
[02:13] <ogra> most of them he will just wave through....
[02:13] <JaneW> that seems to be in the critical path right now
[02:13] <JaneW> I hope you are right
[02:13] <ogra> as i said, i'll do them tomorrow... i dont see it critical
[02:13] <JaneW> you sure?
[02:13] <ogra> since the inclusion wont happen tomorrow... and pitti has no time either....
[02:14] <JaneW> matt is far less relaxed about this deadline that you are ;)
[02:14] <ogra> its a ting that may happen during the next week
[02:14] <ogra> yes, but what should i do ? i wont speed up the process now....
[02:15] <ogra> we had no chance to test or work on the CD until last week...
[02:16] <ogra> the reports will be ready tomorrow... more i cant do...
[02:16] <JaneW> ok
[02:16] <JaneW> is that x problem fixed yet?
[02:17] <ogra> JaneW, imagine that i have to do other distro work thats unrelated to edubuntu or goals... thta underlies the freeze too
[02:17] <ogra> nope
[02:17] <ogra> not in a state that we'll have a installable ltsp yet
[02:17] <JaneW> ogra: I do understand that, I really do
[02:17] <ogra> some dependencys are missing... daniels told me we'll have a new upload soon
[02:18] <ogra> so with luck that X problem is fixed tomorrow...
[02:18] <ogra> (with luck... i gave up to predict X fixing dates)
[02:18] <JaneW> ogra: but matt is anxious to see some concrete progress, and I think if we weren't bound to delivery on this, he may have been tempted to defer
[02:18] <JaneW> ogra: ;)
[02:19] <JaneW> mhz: :))
[02:19] <JaneW> ogra: I understand ow you must feel *I* feel like I have been hit by a bus myself....
[02:19] <ogra> yes, he should calm down... we'll have it done for preview with a whole month of testing..... breezy bugs will be fixed in breezy anyway...
[02:20] <JaneW> ogra: ok I'm gonna trust you that you that it will all resolve in the end...
[02:20] <ogra> so the stuff to do once its ready will be a fairly small amount of changes...
[02:20] <JaneW> besides getting anxious doesn't help anyway
[02:21] <ogra> ok... i have one seed change proposal mdz would have to approve....
[02:21] <ogra> (lets do some real business... )
[02:21] <JaneW> ok
[02:21] <ogra> audacity was included as a sound sample editor... it has a dependency on wxgtk2.4
[02:22] <JaneW> ok
[02:22] <ogra> we dont like to support the 2.4 version of this library
[02:22] <ogra> and 2.6 is already out...
[02:22] <ogra> but audacity cant work with 2.4
[02:22] <JaneW> you mean without?
[02:23] <ogra> so my proposal is to replace audacity with gnusound
[02:23] <ogra> err, nope, i meant 2.6, but similar ;)
[02:23] <JaneW> ok, does it make much difference?
[02:23] <JaneW> using gnusound?
[02:23] <ogra> nope... just that all dependencys for gnusound are already in main... its trivial
[02:24] <JaneW> ok, do you anticipate any objection from mdz?
[02:24] <ogra> he didnt like the idea of sound editing at all
[02:24] <ogra> but beyond that... nope
[02:25] <JaneW> lol
[02:25] <JaneW> ok
[02:25] <JaneW> I
[02:25] <JaneW> ll send him a mail...
[02:26] <ogra> great :)
[02:26] <ogra> if he wants us to drop it completely i'd be fine too.... sound in ltsp is still an issue...
[02:26] <ogra> so it would be interesting only for the workstation install, except mdz solves the sound issues...
[02:27] <ogra> which is unlikely to happen in breezy time
[02:27] <JaneW> I'll let you know how he responds
[02:27] <ogra> or put me on cc
[02:27] <JaneW> ok the issues we had last time
[02:28] <JaneW> mediwiki, gcompris, x, classroom tool
[02:28] <JaneW> where are we on each
[02:28] <JaneW> mediawiki fixed, but need sto be approved?
[02:28] <JaneW> gcompris need pitti to approve?
[02:28] <ogra> and the package isnt completed yet... it'll be ready tonight
[02:29] <ogra> mediawiki^^
[02:29] <Kamion> X should be fixed at next cron.daily, with the exception of amd64
[02:29] <ogra> gcompris installable...
[02:29] <ogra> X as i said above....
[02:29] <ogra> and as Kamion says
[02:29] <Kamion> I'm keeping an eye on it and hurrying through as much as I can
[02:29] <ogra> classroom tool is running out of time, but i'll make sure we'll have it in universe
[02:31] <ogra> for the classroom tool i had no chance to test it in a real ltsp setup until last weekend... there are issues where dont know if they can be solved easily...
[02:31] <JaneW> Kamion: great thanks
[02:33] <ogra> but i preferred to finish mediawiki first and the ltsp testing is quite time consuming... additionally it blockas all my HW i have around, so i cant do anything else during atest
[02:33] <JaneW> ogra: what does that mean there'll be no classroom tool in the standard install?
[02:34] <ogra> yup
[02:34] <JaneW> erk...
[02:34] <ogra> time was to short for real tests
[02:34] <JaneW> is there nothing we can get in there quickly?
[02:34] <JaneW> does tuXlabs use something?
[02:34] <ogra> nothing that works with our implementation of ltap
[02:35] <ogra> might be, but likely they modify files you shouldnt modify ... their scripts are quite intrusive
[02:35] <JaneW> damn, this is not wonderful news, I imagine this is quite high on the list of required (or at least desired) tools
[02:36] <ogra> the guadalinex tool juan promised me 3 times was never sent... but the put in on gnomefiles.org two weeks ago... its written in gambas which we wont have in main
[02:36] <Kamion> GAMBAS?
[02:36] <ogra> lets see what i can do... but it doesnt work at all currently...
[02:36] <ogra> Kamion, yes :(
[02:36] <Kamion> people are still writing in BASIC?
[02:37] <ogra> Kamion, they promoted that tool a lot nd it has really nice features... but nobody told us about gambas...
[02:37] <ogra> they ported from tcl/tk btw :)
[02:39] <ogra> JaneW, the prob with such tools is that they are developed for a very special environment... ours is a complete new implementation of such a environment...
[02:39] <ogra> so its not just "port this over" there are architectual differences you cant work around easily
[02:40] <JaneW> ogra: ok
[02:40] <JaneW> is php still a problem? 4 vs 5...
[02:40] <ogra> i'll do my best to get something working in universe...
[02:40] <Kamion> which one did you need? php5's in main now
[02:40] <ogra> if my mediawiki packages are ready its not... we'll use php5 and postgresql
[02:41] <JaneW> ogra: and the other pacakages, I thought you said a lot of them need php4...?
[02:41] <ogra> Kamion, mediawiki isnt supposed to work with php4... i couldnt convince the debian mediawiki team to make their pkg depend on 5....
[02:42] <ogra> additional the database is forced to mysql by them... i have postgres/php5 packages nearly done her
[02:42] <ogra> JaneW, all sorted with this alst remaining package
[02:42] <ogra> last even
[02:43] <JaneW> ok great
[02:43] <ogra> the server side looks pretty good already
[02:44] <ogra> edubuntu-desktop is installable from universe since last weekend...
[02:44] <ogra> as soon as all apps have moved to main it'll be good to go
[02:44] <JaneW> :)
[02:45] <Kamion> you should be able to test netboot installs if you boot with apt-setup/universe=true, plus the other Edubuntu preseeds that are on the CD
[02:45] <ogra> yay
[02:45] <JaneW> YAY
[02:45] <ogra> Kamion, thanks for that :)
[02:45] <Kamion> been there since warty ;)
[02:45] <JaneW> ogra: that 'all' from your side?
[02:46] <ogra> for now....
[02:46] <JaneW> are you still ready for people to start testing away tomorrow?
[02:46] <JaneW> please send a message to the mailing list to that effect if/when you are...
[02:46] <ogra> hmm... with the option Kamion just pointed out we're ready NOW !
[02:46] <JaneW> in that case start testing... NOW
[02:46] <LondonAndrew1> :-o
[02:47] <JaneW> ok so I guess we'll be needing documentation and artwork afterall ;)
[02:47] <Kamion> you can't do all the preseeds easily on the kernel command line though
[02:47] <Kamion> which makes it tricky
[02:47] <ogra> please understand that i'll sedn the instructions for testing after the freeze... i'll have a 48h hacking session after this meeting ;)
[02:47] <Kamion> hmm, let me see
[02:47] <LondonAndrew1> a sprint
[02:47] <ogra> yeah
[02:48] <LondonAndrew1> you will need bread for that
[02:48] <ogra> a small one :)
[02:48] <JaneW> ogra: understood
[02:48] <LondonAndrew1> and probably best to get rid of the girlfriend for a while
[02:48] <ogra> LondonAndrew1, baker still missing ...
[02:48] <JaneW> ogra: how do you want to receive feedback from the testing?
[02:48] <JaneW> ogra: do we need a template?
[02:48] <ogra> LondonAndrew1, as i said, she's away for 2 weeks :)
[02:48] <ogra> JaneW, yup, that was my plan ...
[02:48] <LondonAndrew1> did you send away because of your commitment to edubuntu ;)
[02:49] <ogra> i'll write one up after the freeze... and put it on the wiki
[02:49] <JaneW> ogra: great thanks
[02:49] <ogra> LondonAndrew1, nope, she's visiting her mother
[02:49] <Kamion> I can't do the netcfg tweaks this way, but try booting a netboot install with preseed/url=http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/edubuntu/edubuntu.seed or preseed/url=http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/edubuntu/server.seed
[02:49] <JaneW> ogra: do you want comments posted on the wiki or mailed?
[02:49] <ogra> both ?
[02:50] <Kamion> note that using preseed files you don't control is INSECURE so please don't recommend that ordinary users do this
[02:50] <ogra> or either of them... as long as the info reaches us
[02:50] <ogra> Kamion, ordinary users shouldnt even test at this stage :)
[02:50] <Kamion> (and it's untested)
[02:50] <ogra> i'm aming for people that can test ltsp... which still requires manual work so far
[02:51] <Kamion> (and it will take ages because you'll be fetching the entire world from the archive)
[02:51] <ogra> not only the seeds ?
[02:51] <Kamion> netboot installs fetch everything from the archive, that's kind of the definition
[02:51] <ogra> ouch
[02:52] <Kamion> the only other alternative is to make cdimage be able to build CDs using universe, which I'm pretty resistant to doing because it has the potential to break mainline Ubuntu CDs in entertaining ways
[02:52] <ogra> nah, dont do that
[02:53] <ogra> we are down to 17 pending inclusion reports (from 35), most of them easily to approve...
[02:54] <ogra> so it wont be a biggie te get the remaining stuff in and i'm willing to change te seed for now to exclude our problematic ones and include them later again
[02:54] <Kamion> X is rather happier now on i386/powerpc, see http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/testing/breezy_probs.html
[02:55] <ogra> the only prob i had here were xkb stuff and a missing xinit...
[02:55] <mhz> Kamion: your netinstall means XP loaded machines will be able to netinstall via LTSP ??
[02:55] <Kamion> you shouldn't need to change the seed anyway, edubuntu-* should only depend on packages from main/restricted
[02:56] <Kamion> components = ['main', 'restricted', 'universe']
[02:56] <ogra> if these are solved and the autodetection works, X is done for me
[02:56] <Kamion> ogra: gah, why did you do that?
[02:56] <ogra> ?
[02:56] <Kamion> that's explicitly asking for edubuntu-* to be uninstallable within main
[02:56] <Kamion> edubuntu-meta/update
[02:56] <ogra> yes...
[02:56] <ogra> but the things *will* move
[02:57] <Kamion> if that were just ['main', 'restricted'] , then edubuntu-* would be installable and you could update it as new components arrived in main
[02:57] <ogra> nobody told me i'm restricted with the seed packages
[02:57] <Kamion> you aren't
[02:57] <ogra> ah, yes... because i didnt expect this lag... the packages are about a month old...
[02:57] <Kamion> yes, I updated recently
[02:58] <ogra> havig a working X one day before freeze wasnt the plan i think
[02:58] <Kamion> mhz: XP has nothing to do with it; it doesn't really interact much with LTSP, although the server install should bring up an LTSP server
[02:59] <Kamion> there are many other things that could have been done while waiting for X (using workarounds such as installing two extra binary packages)
[02:59] <ogra> hmm, has putty a X export function ? then we could make it work
[02:59] <mhz> Kamion: i know.. I meant, machines booting via PXE will be able to actually netinstall instead of just using LTSP resources?
[03:00] <Kamion> mhz: yes
[03:00] <mhz> Kamion: coool!
[03:00] <Kamion> ogra: putty can do X forwarding, yes
[03:00] <ogra> Kamion, sure... i'm still learning... its my first own linux release i build... i know i'm responsible for much of this lag, but still i had no base to build on...
[03:00] <Kamion> mhz: there's a netboot.tar.gz in /ubuntu/dists/breezy/main/installer-i386/current/images/ or somewhere like that in the archive
[03:00] <mhz> Kamion: if thatis so.. edubuntu is solving even more issues here on Chilean schools!
[03:01] <ogra> and working around such probs is a matter of experience i dont have yet
[03:01] <Kamion> unpack that onto somewhere a TFTP server can see, fiddle with the nightmare that is TFTP until the paths all work
[03:01] <ogra> hmm, XP is lacking nfs support... that chould be a prob in the putti scenario...
[03:02] <JaneW> ogra: part from feeling pressured and overworked are you happy we are on track?
[03:02] <Kamion> ogra: I don't mean to run you down, just saying that X breakage which is just due to a couple of missing packages doesn't need to be a blocker
[03:02] <JaneW> artwork - if anyone is still waiting...
[03:02] <JaneW> 1. wallpaper, need volunteer to help with this.
[03:02] <JaneW> 2. Edubuntu Mascot JaneW will contact Sebastein Loss to see if he is willing to do an Edubutu version of his Ubuntu Mascot http://sloss.free.fr/CCPapers.html, 'Breezy Goes to School'.
[03:02] <JaneW> 3. splash screen, need volunteer to help with this.
[03:02] <JaneW> 4. gdm theme, need volunteer to help with this.
[03:02] <JaneW> 5. Jonathan to create a flying penguins edubuntu 'please wait' screen. - first version completed.
[03:02] <JaneW> 6. Edubuntu web site artwork, need volunteer to help with this.
[03:02] <JaneW> anyone want to do 1,2,4 or 6?
[03:02] <LondonAndrew1> hello again
[03:02] <JaneW> hello?
[03:03] <ogra> Kamion, i know you dont want to run me down... but i'm realistic... about my doings... there is a log i'd have done different if i knew the processes...
[03:03] <LondonAndrew1> I would like to take on 1, 3 and 6, but will have to confirm deadlines to double check
[03:03] <LondonAndrew1> if its ok
[03:03] <ogra> ...or the workarounds
[03:03] <ogra> and i'm not happy at all to make mdz unhappy
[03:03] <JaneW> LondonAndrew1: go ahead, any input would be wonderful
[03:04] <LondonAndrew1> what sort of dates
[03:04] <LondonAndrew1> would the artwork be required by
[03:04] <ogra> the deadline is on the breezy release schedule... wait a sec
[03:05] <ogra> Sep 29th
[03:05] <LondonAndrew1> ok that should be fine
[03:05] <LondonAndrew1> Regarding the website artwork?
[03:05] <LondonAndrew1> is that the design of the website
[03:06] <ogra> that should be ready as well (at least in a preview version) at this date...
[03:07] <ogra> we'll ship the preview CD from Sep 1st, so people will pay more attention form this date on...
[03:07] <ogra> baker !!
[03:07] <JaneW> ogra: when would our artwork deadline be? 29 Sept?
[03:07] <JaneW> LondonAndrew1: the artwork deadline should be 29 Sept, same as the Ubuntu main artwork deadline (I seem to be horribly lagged - sorry about the disjointed discussion)
[03:08] <LondonAndrew1> Jane - the website artwork, does this entail doing the design of the website etc? Does anyone have anymore info regarding what is required
[03:08] <JaneW> LondonAndrew1: Jonathan (HoghVoltage) is getting a website set up... you can contact him wrt requirements for that. It should be ready in a week or 2
[03:08] <JaneW> Highvoltage I mean
[03:09] <LondonAndrew1> JaneW, okay thanks will do
[03:09] <LondonAndrew1> JaneW, do you have an email address I can contact him by?
[03:09] <mhz> I am currently working on a Moin version tuxLabs cookbook
[03:09] <mhz> will that be usefull?
[03:11] <JaneW> LondonAndrew1: see www.edubuntu.org he's on the contacts table near the bottom
[03:12] <LondonAndrew1> JaneW - Thanks
[03:12] <JaneW> LondonAndrew1: [email protected]
[03:12] <JaneW> contender for the longest e-mail address in the world ;)
[03:12] <LondonAndrew1> :)
[03:12] <JaneW> mhz: yes of course
[03:12] <ogra> JaneW, yes, for the distro artwork
[03:13] <JaneW> ok anything else to discuss? The lag is killing us. Plus time's up.
[03:13] <JaneW> Same time same place next week?
[03:13] <ogra> mhz, we'll ship mediawiki...
[03:13] <ogra> mhz, will it work there too ?
[03:13] <mhz> ogra: there should be a purser to do taht
[03:14] <ogra> JaneW, sounds good... or probably a later time to get mdz in at least one meeting with us
[03:14] <ogra> so he can point out his concerns
[03:14] <LondonAndrew1> JaneW - okay dokes
[03:15] <mhz> however, MY idea of wiki is to be able to syncronize /data among servers. That IS no possible in MediWiki (AFAIK)
[03:15] <JaneW> ogra: hmm, ok, 22:00?
[03:15] <ogra> UTC ?
[03:15] <JaneW> yep
[03:15] <ogra> ok with me
[03:15] <JaneW> ok done
[03:16] <JaneW> jsgotangco might make that - if he;s an early riser...
[03:16] <ogra> mhz, with postgresql as backend you can solve it with a central SQL server
[03:16] <ogra> i.e. build clusters...
[03:16] <mhz> ogra: yes...sounds possible
[03:17] <mhz> ogra: but not for normal standard teachers
[03:17] <ogra> mhz, depends on the tools you give them ;)
[03:17] <mhz> hehehe
[03:17] <mhz> true
[03:21] <mhz> Kamion: please let me get this streight... I install Edubuntu in a HD, when it reboots it gets stuck by X server. (and I can't access to the machine because no ALT Fx's work, neither SSH to it)
[03:22] <Kamion> mhz: being fixed
[03:22] <Kamion> mhz: boot in recovery mode, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade; that should probably sort it out
[03:22] <mhz> so how do I set it up to let me install linux on clients with HD only and able to boot PXE
[03:23] <mhz> you mention something about untaring pkg into a /dir TFTP can access
[03:23] <JaneW> ok, I have updated the meeting notes - not a heck of a lot this week.
[03:23] <Kamion> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/ch04s05.html
[03:23] <mhz> JaneW: thx
[03:23] <JaneW> ogra: thanks for your time especially
[03:24] <JaneW> and kamion :)
[03:24] <mhz> ogra: thanks for these lot of extra efforts
[03:24] <mhz> yeah ,that too
[03:24] <mhz> :)
[03:24] <ogra> yes, absolutely... thanks Kamion :)
[03:25] <mhz> Kamion: that doc seems lot easier than some I had read
[03:25] <mhz> :)
[03:26] <ogra> mhz, you want a ltsp install, right ?
[03:27] <mhz> hehehe, ideally yes and if it Edubuntu... betta!
[03:28] <ogra> so you should be fine with the next edubuntu CD build (tomorrow) if X installs fine then...
[03:28] <mhz> ogra: thankz
[03:28] <ogra> you just have to run ltsp-build-client after the installation and make sure you have a working network connection...
[03:28] <ogra> additionally follow this howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowto
[03:29] <mhz> that sounds simple enough for this humble teacher :)
[03:29] <ogra> the first steps of 1. are already done on the edubuntu Cd
[03:30] <mhz> I always talk about FLOSS and Ubuntu and Moin using this XP laptop :(
[03:30] <ogra> you only need the dhcp part....
[03:30] <mhz> yesp
[03:30] <ogra> then go on with 2.
[03:30] <LondonAndrew1> :-o
[03:31] <mhz> :)
[03:32] <LondonAndrew1> I am currently sorting my spare room up
[03:32] <LondonAndrew1> to have a little edubuntu network
[03:32] <ogra> :)
[03:33] <LondonAndrew1> its all exciting stuff
[03:33] <LondonAndrew1> though a new world as I`m only a relatively recent switcher
[03:33] <ogra> yup
[03:33] <LondonAndrew1> to Linux and Ubuntu
[03:33] <mhz> ogra: I know why we use MediWiki... another argument of why I am moining tuxlabs cookbook is because mobile users (PalmOne users, example) can't see Mediwiki as well as Moin
[03:33] <ogra> aha
[03:34] <mhz> LondonAndrew1: welcome back to the real world
[03:34] <mhz> :)
[03:34] <ogra> i cant change the committment to mediawiki, no need to convince me ;)
[03:34] <mhz> LOL
[03:34] <ogra> i would have preferred moin...
[03:34] <mhz> I get it
[03:34] <mhz> I have no commitment to MediWiki so... I can moin everything :)
[03:35] <ogra> but our audience we had at the summit didnt... and mediawiki is the wikipedia wiki
[03:35] <ogra> so if thats what the customer wants, he gets it
[03:35] <mhz> plus, when I talk in Peru, I will talk about MoinMoin and Edubuntu. It will be nice to showoff Moin stuff (cookbook)
[03:36] <ogra> moin is available as packge at least ... and even already in main iirc
[03:37] <mhz> yep
[03:42] <hno73> LondonAndrew1: I can help with the website stuff too ([email protected])
[03:43] <hno73> I think it was decided to use plone, which we already have a good skin for thatcan be tweaked
[03:43] <LondonAndrew1> excellent
[03:44] <LondonAndrew1> are there any mock ups yet
[03:44] <LondonAndrew1> or any idea of what content we will be putting up
[03:48] <hno73> LondonAndrew1: Some early ideas for the header here: http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki
[03:51] <LondonAndrew1> thanks have bookmarked
[03:55] <hno73> LondonAndrew1: if you email me I'll send some other images and ideas that I have
[04:05] <LondonAndrew1> hno73 - will do now
[04:16] <LondonAndrew1> hno73 - you have mail.
[04:25] <mhz> shouldn't we get backt ot edubuntu?
[04:34] <mhz> ogra: just FYI.. www.merten-home.de/FreeSoftware/media4moin
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2005-08-15-#ubuntu-toolchain
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[12:38] <lamont> doko_: btw, sid's buildd is totally clusterfied atm, too.
[12:38] <lamont> same toolchain issue.
[12:39] <jbailey> doko_: lib64g2c0_3.4.4-6ubuntu4_i386.deb
[12:39] <jbailey> doko_: (Insert utf-8 thumbs-up icon here)
[12:40] <lamont> jbailey: any hints on the _GLOBAL_OFFSET_TABLE_ borkage issue?>
[12:40] <lamont> (hppa, although istr fabbione bitching about something similar on sparc...)
[12:40] <jbailey> lamont: Got something I can read about it somewhere?
[12:40] <jbailey> HAving a broken GOT would really suck. =)
[12:40] <lamont> uh, yeah.
[12:41] <lamont> for i in build/chroot-unstable/usr/lib/*.so.*; do x=$([ -f $i ] && objdump -T $i | grep _GLOBAL); [ -n "$x" ] && echo $i $x; done | wc
[12:41] <lamont> 25 200 2600
[12:41] <lamont> that's a virgin-ish buildd chroot
[12:41] <lamont> just load current sid on an hppa box - then look at libz
[12:41] <lamont> or current breezy.
[12:41] <lamont> both are rather b0rked
[12:41] <lamont> build/chroot-unstable/usr/lib/libz.so.1.2.3 000234a0 g DO *ABS* 00000000 Base _GLOBAL_OFFSET_TABLE_
[12:42] <lamont> jbailey: oh, and the best part is that it segv's fakeroot on 90%+ of builds.
[12:44] <jbailey> Any idea when this started?
[12:46] <doko_> lamont: breezy as well?
[12:47] <lamont> doko_: same issue
[12:47] <lamont> the fakeroot b0rkage is timed with gcc-2.3.5 going into the chroot
[12:48] <lamont> zlib is a wonderful test case, since it takes < 2 minutes to build on an a500
[12:48] <doko_> lamont: and we didn't notify this earlier?
[12:50] <lamont> doko_: it takes a while to notice the fatality of it all, since one object with it exported isn't fatal
[12:51] <doko_> :-(
[12:52] <lamont> been trying to get attention on it for a few days now, but then it was just breezy that was broken, and noone cares about breezy/hppa.. :-(
[12:52] <lamont> but now that sid
[12:52] <lamont> 's broke....
[12:54] <jbailey> lamont: I need to hunt bdale down so that I can get my access on j5k restored.
[12:56] <lamont> bdale was mumbling about a hectic day today, tomorrow travelling, and thursday picking up the reigns on debian's buildd sigining for me (ia64/hppa)
[12:59] <jbailey> Hmm. thu-mon I'm travelling so I guess I won't sync up with him until next week.
[01:00] <jbailey> Thu I'll be online subject to the grace of wifi connections at the chicago airport.
[01:12] <lamont> ---Mutt: =buildd/universe [Msgs:1692/6648 New:6644 Post:3 341M] ---(subject/date)------------------------(1%)---
[01:12] <lamont> there's something wrong with that picture
[01:13] <jbailey> That is 341MB for the mbox, not for the message, right?
[01:13] <lamont> right
[01:13] <lamont> that's the index page
[01:46] <jbailey> amd64 test glibc build going.
[01:46] <jbailey> infinity: If this works, I have some fun for you. =)
[05:42] <infinity> jbailey : pong.
[05:43] <jbailey> infinity: Hey
[05:43] <jbailey> I thougt I was ready for the upgrade dance, but then I discovered that my glibc build had frozen (the testsuite doens't like my chroot)
[05:43] <jbailey> And then I reran it without -nc.
[05:43] <infinity> Sweet.
[05:43] <jbailey> So soonish, I'll have finished the testing.
[05:43] <jbailey> Unless you want to start now with the pieces that we know about either way. =)
[07:31] <infinity> I'll wait for you to be sure it's all good to go, then you can hand me the whole mess.
[07:33] <jbailey> infinity: 'k
[07:33] <jbailey> infinity: Found a slight bug in the final amd64 install (native)
[08:53] <doko> infinity: the OOo2 build did fail, because it couldn't find the archives?
[08:57] <infinity> doko : On i386?
[08:57] <doko> yes
[08:57] <infinity> That's a transient error that always results in an auto-give-back.
[08:57] <doko> so it's currently building?
[08:57] <infinity> It's building right now on rothera, and seems t obe doing fine.
[08:58] <doko> wow, finally :-)
[08:58] <infinity> Yeah, I'm keeping an eye on it. I'd kinda like to see it build. :)
[08:59] <jbailey> feh, stat spits out numbers in hex.
[08:59] <jbailey> I need them in decimal.
[09:00] <jbailey> Heya doko. I found one tweak that I needed to do in the amd64 native build. Testing the i386 biarch build and then I hand it to Adam. =)
[09:00] <jbailey> In about 20 minutes thanks to ccache. =)
[09:01] <jbailey> I think, anyway.
[09:01] <jbailey> Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.
[09:01] <doko> glibc biarch build?
[09:01] <jbailey> doko: right.
[09:03] <infinity> ccache and I are going to get married and have babies.
[09:03] <jbailey> infinity: Is that so you don't have to remember how?
[09:04] <infinity> See, if you could just take the high road for once and not go for the nerd interpretation... :)
[09:06] <jbailey> Mm, I suppose
[09:07] <jbailey> I wonder if I could detect a succesful ccache hit somehow and force make -j 500 after that?
[09:29] <infinity> watch ccache -s, see if the hits are going up, if so, clean and restart with -j 500?.. I dunno.. Ugly to automate it, easy to do by hand.
[09:39] <jbailey> Woot, looks good.
[09:39] <jbailey> sending her up.
[09:46] <infinity> Where to?
[09:46] <infinity> And do you have nice instructions on what order this stuff needs to be bootstrapped in?
[09:49] <jbailey> infinity: The idea is that you fill the chroot with the pieces from all three, and then you should be able to just build it all.
[09:50] <jbailey> It's going into chinstrap:~jbailey/i386-amd64
[09:50] <infinity> doko : I assmue the OOo2 build failure on amd64 is expected (or, at least, understood)?
[09:51] <infinity> jbailey : No particular order I should need to build them in?
[09:51] <infinity> jbailey : Since they're all ready to go, I guess that makes sense.
[09:52] <jbailey> Right. =)
[09:52] <jbailey> All the build-deps will be satisfied already, you're just masturb^Wrebuilding them.
[09:54] <infinity> And the source packages are signed?
[09:54] <infinity> So once I've done the initial bootstrap, I can upload the sources and have them rebuild again?
[09:55] <infinity> (Not like I couldn't sign them myself, but I want all this stuff signed by you anyway, so I have a scapegoat if you root us...)
[09:56] <jbailey> Dude, if I root you, I'd be sure you never kne.
[09:56] <jbailey> +w
[09:56] <jbailey> It's not like a kernel root, where you might replace it with one you built yourself.
[09:56] <jbailey> Only insane people build their own glibc.
[09:57] <infinity> I always build my own custom glibc, yo, cause that's the l33t thing to do.
[09:57] <infinity> I turn on the sooper sekrit options.
[09:57] <jbailey> Dude.
[09:58] <jbailey> lamont told me that -pipe is a known optimisation that Ubuntu is using.
[09:58] <jbailey> Make sure to use *that* on your build.
[09:58] <infinity> I use -fno-slow-code, it really helps.
[10:00] <infinity> Does this need to be bootstrapped on all 4 arches, or is it just one or two that need by-hand love?
[10:00] <doko> infinity: yep, the build is missing a bit ... (exit 63)
[10:00] <jbailey> infinity: i386 only.
[10:00] <jbailey> infinity: amd64 migiht be tomorrow. =)
[10:00] <infinity> Alright, cool.
[10:01] <infinity> rsync?
[10:01] <infinity> paranoid about scp cutting out?
[10:02] <jbailey> rsync is apparently faster.
[10:03] <jbailey> I've read a number of rants about scp having buffering issues that somehow rsync over ssh doesn't have.
[10:04] <infinity> Interesting.
[10:04] <infinity> I have such shit upstream, and shit bandwidth/latency to the DC that I really wouldn't care or notice.
[10:06] <jbailey> I usually don't care, except that this takes so bloody long as it is, I can't bear to make it longer.
[10:07] <infinity> Heh.
[10:14] <infinity> jbailey : Where's the glibc?
[10:14] <jbailey> infinity: Dude, gcc-3.4 ihasn't finished going up yet.
[10:14] <jbailey> karlheg: Hey!
[10:14] <jbailey> karlheg: I just pushed initramfs-tools 0.16 up.
[10:14] <infinity> jbailey : Hrm, I didn't see any rsync tempfiles...
[10:15] <infinity> jbailey : Still don't. So I kinda assumed you'd stopped uploading.
[10:15] <jbailey> karlheg: I still haven't integrated everything from you, I needed to push this stuff first.
[10:15] <jbailey> Hmm
[10:15] <jbailey> That ssh session appears to be hung
[10:15] <infinity> jbailey : And, you have stopped. At least, there's no rsync processes on chinstrap.
[10:15] <jbailey> In fact, Angie machine appears to be hang.
[10:16] <jbailey> No, just the network
[10:18] <jbailey> infinity: See? Another good reason to use rsync.
[10:18] <infinity> Heh.
[10:18] <infinity> I fall back torsync when my first scp fails. :)
[10:18] <infinity> (which isn't often)
[10:18] <jbailey> Have network again.
[10:18] <jbailey> So it just sort of went insane. Lovely.
[10:19] <jbailey> I now have a ping running as well.
[10:21] <infinity> Dude, why are you sending the orig?
[10:21] <infinity> No wonder you complain about how long it takes. :)
[10:21] <jbailey> I thought I'd be polite and not make you fetch it.
[10:22] <jbailey> I'll remove them from the next ones.
[10:22] <infinity> Well, that's sweet of you, but still. ;)
[10:22] <jbailey> I was mostly complaining before because the session was hung, I think.
[10:22] <infinity> Yeah, I wouldn't complain if I had your upstream.
[10:22] <infinity> Looks to be, what? 1Mbit or so?
[10:23] <infinity> Mine's 256 kbps.
[10:23] <jbailey> A little less ;)
[10:23] <jbailey> Yeah, sucks to be you.
[10:23] <infinity> Thpt.
[10:23] <jbailey> But we were the first kids on the block with 1200bps modems too, so nyaah
[10:23] <infinity> Pfft, I revel in my oldskoolery with the 110 baud accoustic coupler in the closet.
[10:24] <jbailey> You still have yours?
[10:24] <infinity> Yeah.
[10:24] <infinity> Tossed most of the ones in between.
[10:24] <jbailey> Our 50bps and 110bps modems are barely at the edge of my earliest memories.
[10:24] <jbailey> I do remember the 300 clearly.
[10:24] <infinity> The coupler is somewhat of a novelty, so I kept it.
[10:25] <jbailey> "For novelty use only"?
[10:25] <infinity> My 300 was my first self-contained modem. FANY.
[10:25] <infinity> No phone required.
[10:25] <infinity> s/FANY/FANCY/
[10:25] <jbailey> Our 300 would auto-answer (That's how we ran the bbs), but we had to use the rotary to dial in.
[10:25] <infinity> Then the 2400bps Hayes "smart" modem. Still not sure what was so smart about it.
[10:25] <jbailey> The AT command set.
[10:26] <infinity> Yeah, brilliant.
[10:26] <jbailey> Hayes sold two lines.
[10:26] <jbailey> And then the US Robotics 9600 SysOp deal.
[10:26] <jbailey> Everyone openning BBSs for a month so they could get a cheap modem.
[10:26] <infinity> I skipped 9600, but got a USR 14.4/16.8 Courier DST.
[10:26] <infinity> I was so l33t.
[10:27] <jbailey> Ah, I took a detour with the telebit trailblazer.
[10:28] <infinity> And then we upgraded the BBS to 12 lines, all with ZyXEL 19.2's, just cause we got a volume deal on them.
[10:28] <jbailey> Upside: Unlike hayes, it got the speeds that it claimed. Downside: Unlike hayes, noone else had one.
[10:28] <infinity> No one else had a 19.2, but like we cared, we were COOL.
[10:28] <jbailey> Creepy. What software?
[10:28] <infinity> TBBS.
[10:29] <jbailey> Ah, I did rbbs-pc and then..
[10:29] <jbailey> maximizer?
[10:29] <jbailey> I can't remember what it was called.
[10:29] <infinity> Wow... TBBS.org... Neat... I had no idea anyone still used it.
[10:30] <infinity> Old fans die hard, I guess.
[10:30] <jbailey> infinity: Get better ago.
[10:30] <jbailey> amo
[10:30] <jbailey> Because you KNOW the g and the m are close on the keyboard.
[10:30] <infinity> Fat fingers.
[10:34] <jbailey> Reminds me.
[10:35] <jbailey> In Toronto you can get doughnuts delivered.
[10:36] <infinity> !
[10:36] <infinity> Krispy Kreme?
[10:36] <infinity> If so, I'm moving.
[10:37] <infinity> doko : OOo2 on i386 looks successful.
[10:38] <infinity> doko : dpkg-shlibdeps really hates you, though.
[10:41] <jbailey> Yeah, KK
[10:45] <doko> infinity: great!
[10:50] <jbailey> infinity: W00h00
[10:50] <jbailey> It should be there.
[04:27] <doko> infinity: I'm unable to reproduce the failure of expect-tcl8.3 on i386. even the configure check on the buildd looks correct to me.
[05:16] <doko> speeding up grep on amd64 by a factor of 40 ...
[05:47] <jbailey> doko: Eh?
[05:47] <jbailey> ccache for grep?
[05:47] <jbailey> =)
[05:48] <infinity> doko : I can't reproduce it either, neat.
[05:56] <doko> infinity: so try again?
[05:56] <doko> jbailey: not exactly, but the debian patches seem to add something, what is not optimized by -O2 ...
[05:57] <doko> I did have to wait some minutes for grepping 600MB language data ...
[05:57] <infinity> doko : I am retrying them. Then again, it wasn't that long ago that they failed, so I don't have high hopes.
[05:57] <doko> infinity: ok, and what to do, if they fail again?
[05:57] <infinity> Dig deeper, I guess.
[05:59] <doko> infinity: so, I don't have access to the buildd :-)
[05:59] <infinity> Yes, I know. I'll look into it. Right now, I'm working on some bootstrapping issues.
[05:59] <infinity> And it's also 2am. :/
[06:00] <doko> infinity: gcc/glibc?
[06:01] <jbailey> doko: It seems to have shown up with a symbol error on his build. I've asked him to paste it here in case it's something obvoius to you.
[06:01] <jbailey> Dunno why it didn't show up here.
[06:02] <doko> nice ... :-/
[06:02] <infinity> http://people.ubuntu.com/~adconrad/
[06:03] <infinity> That was building against Jeff's gcc and glibc.
[06:03] <infinity> I could try again against the glibc I just built, if that may make a difference.
[06:03] <jbailey> It ought not to. Those were all clean builds from yesterday using my own builds.
[06:03] <infinity> Well, yes, I was assuming it shouldn't make a difference, hence the not installing new packages between builds.
[06:04] <infinity> Was just going to build all three, install them all, then kick fresh rebuilds via wanna-build.
[06:04] <jbailey> Lemme do a test in my chroots with -lm
[06:04] <infinity> But. Y'know. Nothing's ever simple.
[06:05] <jbailey> Oh.
[06:05] <jbailey> *sigh*
[06:05] <jbailey> Symlink points to /lib. I thought I had fixed that. =(
[06:06] <infinity> In glibc?
[06:06] <jbailey> Erm.
[06:06] <jbailey> Right
[06:06] <jbailey> But I've build gcc-3.4 with this glibc.
[06:06] <infinity> Toss me a patch, and I'll rebuild glibc.
[06:06] <jbailey> Oh, I know what happened.
[06:07] <jbailey> Hmm.
[06:07] <jbailey> I need to think about this for a sec.
[06:07] <jbailey> This was the fix for amd64 native.
[06:07] <jbailey> then I did a build test of i386-amd64 biarch
[06:07] <jbailey> Didn't rebuild gcc-3.4 after that.
[06:07] <jbailey> *sigh*
[06:07] <infinity> Wasn't that supposed to be halfway there for breezy?
[06:08] <infinity> I was kinda surprised to see lib/lib64 popping up all over, personally.
[06:08] <infinity> I thought we really, really didn't want that.
[06:08] <doko> infinity: yeah, that doesn't exist on m68k ;-P
[06:08] <infinity> doko : Thpt.
[06:09] <doko> infinity: it makes ia32-libs a bit lighter
[06:10] <doko> gets rid off amd64-libs
[06:11] <jbailey> infinity: The problem isn't we don't have a better mechanism for handling biarch atm.
[06:13] <jbailey> I really have to wonder if ia32-libs can *actually* still be built atm.
[06:43] <doko> yep, you now have a build dependency on amd64-libs :-)
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[12:02] <ogra> the other one is a broadcom based linksys card... running with ndiswrapper on amd64 ....
[12:03] <ogra> and the built in card of my lappie doesnt work at all (no drivers)
[12:03] <ajmitch> you can use ndiswrapper on amd64?
[12:04] <Nafallo> debians kismet defaults to have gps and all files in /usr/local/* right now :-P
[12:04] <ajmitch> that sounds very broken
[12:05] <Nafallo> indeed
[12:05] <ajmitch> 2005.06.r1-1 ?
[12:05] <Nafallo> yes
[12:05] <Nafallo> I debdiff against us and got afraid ;-)
[12:05] <Nafallo> # User to setid to (should be your normal user)
[12:05] <Nafallo> -suiduser=your_user_here
[12:05] <Nafallo> +#suiduser=your_user_here
[12:06] <Nafallo> yay! :-P
[12:06] <ajmitch> well it's a new upstream, of course there'll be lots of changes :)
[12:06] <Nafallo> debian is - ;-)
[12:06] <ogra> ajmitch, yes, you can use ndiswrapper on amd64 , since v1.1 and only with broadcom cards with win64bit driver.... but i'm fighting for a change in the package so it builds for amd64 too for breezy ...
[12:06] <ajmitch> a shame my old AP is dead..
[12:07] <ajmitch> at least the airport express downstairs still works :)
[12:14] <Nafallo> hmm, let's see.
[12:40] <Nafallo> why is backports bad == because of 1h chatting with people that thinks guifications should go in hoary-updates cause 2.10 didn't work properly when you click on the notification.
[12:40] <Nafallo> *sigh* I hate users :-P.
[12:41] <Nafallo> (hoary has 2.9-1 btw)
[12:41] <ajmitch> hey dholbach
[12:41] <dholbach> thanks for the good reviews on prefixsuffix and istanbul :)
[12:41] <dholbach> hi ajmitch
[12:43] <Burgundavia> why is it that as soon as I run a program in gdb, it doesn't crash?
[12:43] <ajmitch> heisenbug
[12:43] <ajmitch> or often a race condition or similar :)
[12:44] <Burgundavia> this is a random synaptic crash. very frustrating to figure out
[12:44] <Nafallo> Burgundavia: yay! please fix it :-)
[12:44] <Burgundavia> Nafallo, I don't code
[12:44] <Burgundavia> I am just looking to see if it is same as the existing bugs
[12:45] <Nafallo> my mouse feels like a magic wand when I'm close to that window. it just vanishes :-).
[12:45] <Burgundavia> yes
[12:45] <Lathiat> Burgundavia: need a faster computer :)
[12:46] <Burgundavia> faster debugging by have the program crash faster?
[12:48] <Lathiat> no
[12:48] <Lathiat> then at debug speeds
[12:48] <Lathiat> it'l run as fast as normal on your computer now
[12:48] <Lathiat> so it'l work. :)
[12:49] <dholbach> Burgundavia: try to build it as a debug package and try again
[12:49] <Burgundavia> dholbach, synaptic works in gdb, unlike other stuff
[12:49] <dholbach> Burgundavia: at the end of wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingTips is a brief description
[12:49] <Burgundavia> I just can't make it crash
[12:50] <dholbach> Burgundavia: maybe it crashes with debugging symbols :-p
[12:50] <Burgundavia> rofl
[12:53] <sistpoty> hm... i just tried to build kaffe (UniverseUnmetDeps) and it seems that in debian all issues have been adressed... (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=318785)... should i put kaffe to the sync from debian-section?
[12:57] <ajmitch> might as well
[12:57] <ajmitch> does it break UVF?
[12:59] <sistpoty> hm... well kaffe is currently broken, and imo a debian sync would fix it
[01:00] <ajmitch> right
[01:02] <sistpoty> I'll try to build with latest sid source... if it succeeds, i'll put it to sync from debian, ok?
[01:02] <ajmitch> ok
[01:03] <sistpoty> but I'll do that tomorrow ;) (took an eternity to build with sid-sources)
[01:03] <sistpoty> err with breezy-sources
[01:05] <dholbach> :-)
[01:08] <SloMoSnail> good night everybody :)
[01:08] <sistpoty> gn8 SloMoSnail
[01:10] <Nafallo> night all
[01:14] <Burgundavia> tseng, muine also crashes after finishing the last song in the queue
[01:14] <tseng> im not sure what you want me to tell you
[01:14] <Burgundavia> nothing
[01:14] <tseng> it doesnt crash that often here
[01:15] <Lathiat> Burgundavia: what plugins are you using?
[01:15] <tseng> Burgundavia: nothing.
[01:16] <Burgundavia> Lathiat, only the notty area one
[01:16] <Lathiat> whats that?
[01:16] <tseng> trayicon
[01:16] <Burgundavia> ya
[01:16] <Lathiat> oh right
[01:16] <Lathiat> well
[01:16] <Lathiat> works for me
[01:27] <tseng> exactly
[01:28] <Burgundavia> why I am only bothering you here and not with a bug report
[01:28] <tseng> ok, as long as you dont expect me to take action
[01:28] <Burgundavia> I realize that there is little you can do
[01:32] <Lathiat> heh
[01:32] <Lathiat> does mono have a working debugger?
[01:33] <tseng> what did I say yesterday
[01:33] <tseng> and debugging gstreamer apps
[01:34] <Lathiat> i have no idea i wasnt watching yesterday :)
[01:34] <tseng> its useless
[01:34] <Lathiat> right
[01:34] <tseng> in my experience
[01:34] <Lathiat> yay :(
[01:34] <Lathiat> debug it on windows ;p
[01:34] <tseng> a few times a second
[01:34] <tseng> you get timer events from gst
[01:34] <tseng> if you try and step through it
[01:35] <tseng> you will be there all day
[01:35] <tseng> if you try and step in bigger blocks, you throw SIGPOWER all over the floor
[01:35] <Lathiat> hrm :\
[01:36] <Lathiat> avahi_set_errno (client, AVAHI_ERR_DBUS_ERROR);
[01:36] <Lathiat> oops
[01:53] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, why are you subscribed to the entire wiki?
[01:53] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: a lack of sanity
[01:53] <Burgundavia> ok, just wondering
[01:54] <ajmitch> I should try & restrict the regex to motu related topics
[01:55] <dholbach> :)
[01:55] <ajmitch> dholbach: as I said, lack of sanity ;)
[01:55] <dholbach> merci beaucoup
[01:56] <ajmitch> hehe
[01:56] <Burgundavia> well, I have been filled your inboxes with crap recently
[01:56] <ajmitch> I don't mind
[01:57] <ajmitch> it's a drop in the bucket compared to the other crap I get :)
[01:57] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, are you also crazy enough to suscribe to the entire of the bugzilla?
[01:57] <ajmitch> oh no
[01:57] <ajmitch> I'm not that silly
[01:59] <Burgundavia> there can't be that many (I am one of them)
[01:59] <ajmitch> heh
[02:28] <dholbach> hm a 60k apt/sources.list doesnt seem to work
[02:31] <Lathiat> 60k?
[02:32] <dholbach> yes
[02:44] <ajmitch> dholbach: apt-get.org ?
[02:44] <dholbach> yes :)
[02:44] <dholbach> i have to finish something for feature freeze
[02:44] <dholbach> so i'm further automating that crack via python-apt
[02:45] <ajmitch> ah great :)
[02:46] <ajmitch> how's that going?
[02:46] <dholbach> awfully slow
[02:46] <ajmitch> makes sense
[02:46] <ajmitch> I have a script that works on parsing source lists
[02:46] <ajmitch> probably written the slowest way possible though
[02:47] <dholbach> same for me :)
[02:47] <ajmitch> it's what I used for the rfp list, zope lists etc
[02:47] <ajmitch> not using python-apt, though :)
[02:47] <dholbach> WOW, it now downloads NEW source packages
[02:47] <dholbach> ROCKNROLL
[02:48] <ajmitch> great! :)
[02:48] <ajmitch> after a bad test of initramfs
[02:48] <dholbach> ouch
[02:48] <dholbach> now i need to figure out, if pbuilder works nicely with it, and i'm happy
[02:48] <ajmitch> I just had to get grub using initrd again
[02:51] <ajmitch> ok, off to lunch, back to work, bbl ;)
[02:51] <dholbach> see you
[03:10] <bddebian> Ah, this channel is so exciting this time of day :-)
[03:11] <bmonty> bddebian, you make it exciting :)
[03:12] <bddebian> Well I have to be good for SOMETHING :-)
[03:13] <bmonty> looks like I have a nice thunderstorm heading my way
[03:14] <bddebian> We had ours yesterday
[03:15] <bmonty> I hope it is decent so I won't have to go out and water the yard tonight
[03:16] <bddebian> Damn I hate job hunting :-(
[03:18] <comadreja> hello all
[03:18] <bddebian> Heya comadreja
[03:18] <bmonty> hey comadreja
[03:18] <comadreja> how are you all
[03:19] <comadreja> sorry for not being visible last days
[03:19] <comadreja> I'm having some terrible job pressure
[03:19] <bddebian> Heh, I know that feeling :-)
[03:20] <comadreja> We need to finish some software and we have not enough people
[03:20] <comadreja> it's like we'd like to have ten hands
[03:21] <bddebian> I'd be happy if I worked with people that had 1 brain.. ;-)
[03:21] <comadreja> hehehe really ? that bad ?
[03:21] <bmonty> so if I have a debdiff file, how do I apply it against an unpacked source tree?
[03:21] <bddebian> comadreja: Yes
[03:22] <bddebian> bmonty: patch -p[patch level] < foo.debdiff I think
[03:23] <bmonty> bddebian: yeah, that worked, thanks
[03:24] <bddebian> NP
[03:25] <ajmitch> hi bmonty, bddebian
[03:25] <bmonty> hi ajmitch
[03:25] <ajmitch> bddebian: job hunting? again?
[03:26] <comadreja> hey ajmitch :)
[03:26] <ajmitch> hi comadreja
[03:27] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch, yeah, unfortunately
[03:27] <bddebian> ajmitch: Well I didn't get fired this time if that is what you mean :-)
[03:27] <comadreja> I'm looking for a new job too...
[03:28] <comadreja> this one is too stressing
[03:28] <ajmitch> bddebian: well that's an improvement :)
[03:28] <bddebian> :'-(
[03:29] <ajmitch> what's wrong with your current job?
[03:30] <bddebian> It sucks
[03:31] <ajmitch> that's very descriptive
[03:33] <bddebian> Over 2 hours to get to work this morning. Stupid people. Ignorant / non-involved management. Windows ;-) Ad nauseum :-)
[03:33] <Lathiat> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5791782530
[03:34] <ajmitch> bddebian: ah, I use windows, but it's a <10 minute walk to work for me :)
[03:35] <bddebian> Lathiat: :-)
[03:35] <bddebian> ajmitch: I think I'll try the FSF admin job.. ;-P
[03:35] <ajmitch> good luck
[03:36] <ajmitch> don't let them catch you installing non-free software on there ;)
[03:36] <bddebian> Bah, they're in Boston. Screw that. :-) Not to mention about 1/2 of what I make currently :-)
[03:36] <Lathiat> haha
[03:36] <ajmitch> you're meant to work for them for the love of The Cause
[03:37] <bmonty> Boston rules
[03:37] <bddebian> ajmitch: Not hardly d00d :-)
[03:37] <bddebian> I don't think they'd appreciate me pummeling RMS ;-P
[03:37] <ajmitch> bddebian: RMS would be your boss
[03:37] <bddebian> bmonty: Well it would be a little bit of a drive and I'm not moving for half my current pay ;-)
[03:38] <bmonty> you could try it out, and then get a higher paying IT job....there are plenty of them in that area
[03:40] <bmonty> hey I like that cotton!
[03:41] <bddebian> Hmm, yeah going from Director of IT at a Nike Division to IT Manager at my current company to "sysadmin" at the FSF looks really good on the CV/Resume ;-P
[03:42] <ajmitch> bddebian: hey, you can put 'MOTU' on there soon ;)
[03:42] <bddebian> No apparently I can't since no one shows up to meetings and Mez says I need "someone to vouch for me" ;-P
[03:43] <ajmitch> yes, you do need a couple of people to speak up for you
[03:43] <ajmitch> and this week's TB meeting was unfortunate
[03:44] <bmonty> bddebian: :P
[03:44] <ajmitch> if you stop, noone will speak up for you ;)
[03:45] <bddebian> Sounds like a chicken and egg problem to me.. :-)
[03:45] <bddebian> dholbach: ?
[03:45] <dholbach> looks as we had that conversation already earlier today :)
[03:46] <bddebian> Oh, sorry
[03:46] <dholbach> don't worry
[03:46] <bddebian> ajmitch didn't get to hear my whining ;-)
[03:46] <dholbach> ah ok :)
[03:46] <ajmitch> bddebian: I think I can live without hearing it
[03:47] <bddebian> dholbach: See, I get no love.. ;-P
[03:47] <dholbach> bddebian: me neither - python hates me
[03:48] <ajmitch> dholbach: python is lovely
[03:48] <ajmitch> dholbach: when do you need this script working?
[03:49] <dholbach> feature freeze is ... erm tomorrow?
[03:49] <dholbach> and i need to have it working/building/... :)
[03:49] <ajmitch> ok, I can help out if you want :)
[03:49] <dholbach> right now i'm trying to do something simple
[03:49] <ajmitch> I understand mdz wanted a list of packages to import by freeze time?
[03:49] <ajmitch> or at least packages to review
[03:50] <dholbach> yes and that (for me) depends on building a huge load of packages, which could be reviewed
[03:50] <dholbach> and a list of stuff that doesnt build, but might be working after a bit of fiddling
[03:50] <dholbach> (and sorted out all the crack that we have)
[03:50] <dholbach> you don't want to do that manually
[03:51] <ajmitch> certainly true
[03:51] <dholbach> right now, i want something like pbuilder build bla*.dsc (bla is in a string i have)
[03:51] <dholbach> and i'm crying over Popen
[03:51] <ajmitch> I've got a little bit of spare cpu power here for building & I can run scripts ;)
[03:51] <dholbach> i'm sure that's crackful
[03:51] <ajmitch> hmm, I used popen, I'm sure..
[03:52] <dholbach> ok
[03:52] <dholbach> problem is bla*.dsc has to process by another command
[03:52] <ajmitch> if os.system("/usr/bin/dpkg --compare-versions %s %s %s" %
[03:52] <ajmitch> (versions[0] ,
[03:52] <ajmitch> operator,
[03:52] <ajmitch> versions[1] )):
[03:52] <ajmitch> nope, I used that
[03:52] <ajmitch> the shell needs to expand * ?
[03:52] <dholbach> yes
[03:52] <dholbach> i got an error
[03:52] <dholbach> "bla*.dsc is no suitable" candidate or something
[03:53] <ajmitch> can your python program not write this into a script & then exec /bin/bash ?
[03:53] <ajmitch> evil, I know
[03:53] <dholbach> hm
[03:53] <dholbach> yes
[03:53] <dholbach> it could
[03:53] <dholbach> *clickediclack*
[03:53] <ajmitch> but this doesn't have to be nice, it just has to work
[03:54] <bmonty> what is the purpose of the script?
[03:54] <ajmitch> bmonty: take a *large* list of apt sources, get the src packages contained there, and build them, afaik
[03:55] <ajmitch> bddebian: that's crazy - these packages are often full of crap, to put it mildly
[03:56] <bddebian> ajmitch: The UniverseUnmetDeps packages?
[03:56] <ajmitch> apt-get.org
[03:56] <bmonty> if the packages are full of crap, why build them?
[03:56] <dholbach> ajmitch: you rock
[03:56] <ajmitch> unmet deps are different
[03:56] <dholbach> os.system did it
[03:56] <bddebian> Oohh, sorry
[03:56] <ajmitch> dholbach: excellent
[03:56] <dholbach> i used subprocess.call() before
[03:56] <dholbach> rock AND roll
[03:57] <bddebian> Don't we have enough work to do without apt-get.org? :-)
[03:57] <ajmitch> bddebian: yes, we do
[03:57] <comadreja> dholbach : glob ?
[03:57] <ajmitch> and I feel bad about not doing my share
[03:57] <bddebian> As well you should :-)
[03:57] <dholbach> comadreja: glob?
[03:58] <comadreja> dholbach : glob.glob ("*.dsc")
[03:58] <seth_k> bddebian, the buildds eat children if you make them unhappy :D
[03:58] <dholbach> ajmitch: don't worry
[03:58] <comadreja> will return a list of *.dsc files
[03:58] <Lathiat> seth_k: heh
[03:58] <bddebian> seth_k: Well as long as they aren't MY children :-)
[03:58] <dholbach> comadreja: oh cool... next time :)
[03:58] <dholbach> ok it works
[03:58] <dholbach> runs
[03:58] <dholbach> makes sleep badly
[03:58] <dholbach> but it runs
[03:59] <ajmitch> hehe
[03:59] <ajmitch> dholbach: so it's building all of apt-get.org now?
[03:59] <dholbach> it tries to
[03:59] <dholbach> all the stuff we don't have
[03:59] <ajmitch> ok
[04:00] <ajmitch> if there's any other scripting needed, I can probably supply :)
[04:00] <ajmitch> I've still got to get the source for unmet deps
[04:00] <bmonty> is packages.ubuntu.com, the latest and greatest on packages that are available?
[04:00] <dholbach> i'll see what the output is tomorrow
[04:00] <dholbach> ok... have a good night
[04:00] <dholbach> i'm off
[04:00] <bmonty> nite dholbach
[04:01] <dholbach> it's !!!! 4 !!!! already
[04:01] <bddebian> Later dholbach
[04:01] <ajmitch> dholbach: good work, night
[04:01] <dholbach> night bmonty, ajmitch, comadreja, Lathiat, bddebian - you guys rock!
[04:01] <ajmitch> bddebian: are there any packages that just need a rebuild that I can upload?
[04:01] <bmonty> ajmitch: doodle is ready to go, there is a link to the debdiff on unmet deps page
[04:01] <bddebian> ajmitch: There were, but I think Nafallo may have hit them today
[04:02] <ajmitch> ok
[04:02] <ajmitch> I see you have vipec listed as needs love, there's a patch in debian's BTS that I'll apply
[04:03] <bmonty> BTW, whats the deal with gcc 4.0 not building packages?
[04:03] <bddebian> bmonty: A lot of it are just more strict C rules
[04:03] <ajmitch> gcc 4.0 is a lot stricter
[04:03] <ajmitch> bmonty: doodle is just a rebuild?
[04:03] <bmonty> k, makes sense
[04:03] <bmonty> ajmitch: I had to change the control file
[04:03] <ajmitch> then you have to change the version to reflect that
[04:04] <ajmitch> you can't just have a build1 version if you change anything else
[04:04] <bmonty> so should it be 0.6.2-ubuntu1?
[04:04] <ajmitch> next debian upload that MoM synced would overwrite that
[04:04] <ajmitch> 0.6.2-3ubuntu1
[04:04] <bmonty> k, I'll fix that
[04:05] <ajmitch> * change libdoodle dependency to libextractor1c2
[04:05] <ajmitch> makes no sense
[04:06] <bddebian> Goddamn, everyone wants programmers.. :'-(
[04:06] <bmonty> it was libextractor1c which is now libextractor1c2
[04:06] <ajmitch> then say that :)
[04:06] <ajmitch> I can see that when I look at the control file, but not at the changelog
[04:07] <bmonty> ok
[04:07] <ajmitch> and mention the build-dep change as well
[04:07] <ajmitch> and add the fam dep back in
[04:08] <ajmitch> when you asked the other day, you said that libfam0 depends on it
[04:08] <ajmitch> it only recommends
[04:08] <ajmitch> bddebian: see, I'm this picky with other people, not just you ;)
[04:08] <bmonty> ok, got it
[04:15] <bmonty> ajmitch: where did you see a build-dep change?
[04:17] <ajmitch> sorry, not build-dep, but depends for doodled
[04:17] <bmonty> ok, I got that
[04:17] <crimsun> hum.
[04:17] <ajmitch> hey crimsun
[04:17] <crimsun> hey ajmitch, bmonty, bddebian
[04:18] <bmonty> hey crimsun
[04:18] <crimsun> strange, i386 failed pyxmms
[04:18] <ajmitch> why is that strange?
[04:18] <chillywilly> hi
[04:19] <crimsun> ajmitch: python2.3 is uninstallable on i386?
[04:19] <ajmitch> crimsun: it shouldn't be, let me check
[04:19] <ajmitch> zope still depends on it
[04:19] <bmonty> ajmitch: new debdiff is at http://www.montynet.org/ubuntu/debdiff/doodle_0.6.2-3ubuntu1.debdiff
[04:20] <crimsun> the other three arches built it just fine, so it should have built on i386
[04:20] <crimsun> looks like a chroot issue
[04:20] <bddebian> Heya crimsun
[04:21] <ajmitch> crimsun: definitely, apt-get update must have failed
[04:21] <bddebian> chillywilly!!!!!!!!
[04:21] <ajmitch> see the 'could not stat..' lines
[04:21] <crimsun> yep
[04:21] <chillywilly> bddebian!!!
[04:21] <ajmitch> bmonty: much better :)
[04:22] <bmonty> thanks :)
[04:23] <ajmitch> getting build-deps, this could take awhile
[04:24] <chillywilly> ajmitch: did you get your net connection upgrade yet?
[04:24] <ajmitch> chillywilly: of course not
[04:24] <ajmitch> I live in NZ
[04:24] <chillywilly> bah...
[04:24] <chillywilly> well that sucks
[04:25] <bmonty> so, I'm looking at the package drip and it build-depends on libavifile-0.7 which apt says is uninstallable, but ubuntu.packages.com has it....what gives?
[04:25] <chillywilly> maybe you should switch the IP over carrier pigeon ;)
[04:26] <bddebian> bmonty: "apt-cache policy libavifile"
[04:26] <ajmitch> chillywilly: it'd probably be faster
[04:26] <chillywilly> HEH
[04:26] <ajmitch> get them to carry DVDs
[04:26] <ajmitch> jumbo packets
[04:26] <chillywilly> hehe
[04:28] <bmonty> bddebian: ok, but I can download the package from packages.ubuntu.com, thats why I'm confused
[04:28] <chillywilly> anyone know if the linux kernel went with the 4 digit version number thingy?
[04:28] <crimsun> yes
[04:28] <chillywilly> cause kernel.org show 2.6.12.4 being the latest stable version, so I was thinking they did
[04:28] <chillywilly> ok
[04:29] <crimsun> ubuntu uses the fourth number to denote the kernel abi
[04:29] <crimsun> (in the revision)
[04:30] <bddebian> bmonty: What repo does it say it's in?
[04:31] <bmonty> http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/libs/libavifile-0.7
[04:32] <bddebian> Hmm
[04:32] <ajmitch> Version table:
[04:32] <ajmitch> 1:0.7.43.20050224-1ubuntu4 0
[04:32] <ajmitch> 1200 http://10.18.1.1 breezy/universe Packages
[04:32] <ajmitch> that is annoying - I had libavifile0.7 installed (no - )
[04:33] <bmonty> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
[04:33] <bmonty> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:33] <bmonty> libavifile-0.7-dev: Depends: libavifile-0.7 (= 1:0.7.43.20050224-1ubuntu4) but it is not going to be installed
[04:34] <bddebian> Hmm, I already have it installed it seems :-(
[04:34] <crimsun> wasn't libavifile-0.7 transitioned?
[04:35] <bddebian> There is a c2 but it's an older rev
[04:35] <bddebian> .38 vs .43
[04:35] <ajmitch> crimsun: from c102, iirc
[04:36] <bmonty> bugzilla says it was renamed to libavifile-0.7
[04:37] <DoNnInHa> oi BIGBRUNO :)
[04:38] <BIGBRUNO> DoNnInHa: Hi
[04:38] <DoNnInHa> BIGBRUNO; :P
[04:39] <DoNnInHa> todo mundo aqui fala ingles11255
[04:39] <DoNnInHa> todo mundo aqui fala ingles?
[04:43] <bmonty> dvr source package has the same issue
[04:43] <bddebian> Someone please kill me
[04:44] <bddebian> Thanks Lathiat :-)
[04:47] <ajmitch> bmonty: doodle uploaded
[04:47] <bmonty> ajmitch: just same it on the RSS feed, thanks
[04:47] <bmonty> r/same/saw
[04:52] <ajmitch> bddebian: marks the debian bug for vipec, will fix soon :)
[04:52] <ajmitch> s/marks/marked/
[04:54] <bddebian> ajmitch: ?
[04:56] <DoNnInHa> noh
[04:56] <DoNnInHa> esse treim eh mto ruim
[04:56] <ajmitch> DoNnInHa: english in here, please
[04:56] <ajmitch> bddebian: on the wiki, I put a link to the debian bts entry for vipec..
[04:57] <bddebian> ajmitch: Ah, cool
[04:57] <DoNnInHa> quero ir pra brasnet :P nao sei falar ingles
[04:57] <DoNnInHa> bye
[04:58] <bddebian> Ohh, VP of IT and CIO for $200,000+. That'd do ;-)
[04:58] <ajmitch> go for it
[04:58] <bddebian> Hell I'd buy ya a new laptop for that one ajmitch ;-P
[04:59] <DoNnInHa> fui
[05:00] <ajmitch> bddebian: that'd be nice ;)
[05:00] <ajmitch> sigh, a 1-line patch, which patch system should I use today?
[05:01] <chillywilly> debdiff ;)
[05:01] <ajmitch> chillywilly: useful comments, thanks :P
[05:01] <bddebian> write something in perl to patch it.. ;-P
[05:01] <chillywilly> oh crikey...
[05:01] <ajmitch> I mean like quilt, dpatch, etc
[05:02] <chillywilly> write a python script
[05:02] <bddebian> ajmitch: Be creative ;-P
[05:02] <chillywilly> that calls one of those and downloads pr0n
[05:03] <bddebian> Hehe
[05:03] <LaserJock> Is anybody familiar with the UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile wiki page?
[05:03] <chillywilly> it's probably the page where there are univer packages without desktop files
[05:03] <chillywilly> universe too
[05:04] <chillywilly> :)
[05:04] <bddebian> Yep, that'd be it :-)
[05:04] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yes, it's out of date, needs to be refreshed for breezy
[05:04] <LaserJock> well, yeah I know that :-)
[05:04] <LaserJock> I have some questions about it
[05:05] <LaserJock> I was wanting to help get some of those .desktop files made
[05:05] <LaserJock> but some of the packages listed don't seem to need .desktop files
[05:05] <ajmitch> LaserJock: great
[05:05] <ajmitch> that's why the list needs updated :)
[05:06] <ajmitch> I think it was made from packages that have a .menu file but no .desktop
[05:06] <LaserJock> do they all really need .desktop files though
[05:06] <LaserJock> ?
[05:06] <LaserJock> for instance, does vim-python need to be in the menu?
[05:07] <bddebian> Damn, $90,000/yr for a Sr. Linux Admin.. Sheesh
[05:07] <ajmitch> maybe not, but I'm not one to make that call :)
[05:07] <LaserJock> while that clutter users' menus?
[05:08] <LaserJock> *will
[05:08] <ajmitch> yes
[05:08] <chillywilly> bddebian: looking for a new job?
[05:08] <bddebian> chillywilly: Aye
[05:08] <ajmitch> we have to find some balance between making programs visible & not cluttering up the menus with hundreds of entries
[05:09] <LaserJock> well, is there other uses for the .desktop files beside menus?
[05:09] <LaserJock> I saw on the freedesktop.org site that it looked like their use for mimetypes is depriciated
[05:11] <ajmitch> not sure, there was talk of using them for a new gnome-app-install
[05:11] <ajmitch> I think the usage is just menu
[05:13] <LaserJock> well, it looks like we could use the NoDisplay key to keep non-gui type apps out of the menu, but still have the flexability to use it in the future
[05:14] <ajmitch> Amaranth is the menu man here
[05:14] <Amaranth> hihi
[05:14] <Amaranth> what's up?
[05:14] <Amaranth> NoDisplay is what smeg uses
[05:14] <ajmitch> UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile
[05:14] <Amaranth> so it'll work
[05:14] <Amaranth> if you use Hidden smeg won't see it and it's mime type info will be ignored
[05:15] <LaserJock> but is it worth the effort for a lot of the CLI type stuff?
[05:16] <ajmitch> Amaranth: aside from smeg, we're talking about making .desktop files for those packages that don't have them
[05:16] <Amaranth> ajmitch: i know, i was just telling him NoDisplay is the solution for hiding things
[05:16] <ajmitch> right
[05:18] <LaserJock> so should the focus be on Breezy and not Hoary?
[05:18] <bddebian> Yes
[05:18] <bddebian> I wonder if I can lie well enough for the Sr. Linux Admin job (RedHat and SuSe, yuck)
[05:18] <ajmitch> certainly
[05:18] <Amaranth> .desktop files are a nice low hanging fruit
[05:19] <bddebian> So is UniverseUnmetDeps
[05:19] <ajmitch> Amaranth: we need someone to collate .desktop files that people contribute
[05:19] <ajmitch> sincenot everyone can fix up & patch a package to include them
[05:19] <LaserJock> well, that was what I was wondering
[05:19] <Amaranth> i don't know how either :P
[05:20] <Amaranth> i can tell you a .desktop file is valid, but so can desktop-file-validate
[05:20] <ajmitch> right, I'll volunteer for now & hand it off to someone else who's worthy :)
[05:20] <ajmitch> it's mainly including it in the packaging, which I can do well enough
[05:20] <Amaranth> one of these days i'm going to start spamming bugs for invalid .desktop files
[05:20] <bmonty> ajmitch: I could help out with that also
[05:21] <ajmitch> bmonty: great, thanks
[05:21] <Amaranth> i've never added a file to a package, just edited existing files
[05:21] <ajmitch> we just need people to start submitting them
[05:21] <ajmitch> maybe Amaranth can spam the forums for contributions ;)
[05:21] <Amaranth> and there is the intltool scripts that need to be done that i don't know about
[05:21] <LaserJock> well, I'm not much of a packager, but the .desktop files are easy enough to make
[05:23] <bmonty> ajmitch: I'm working on a package called amsynth, it is copying in config.guess and config.sub from /usr/share/misc/config and causing the debdiff to be rather large with all the changes, is that cool for a package that only needs a rebuild?
[05:24] <LaserJock> what if we made a thread in the UbuntuForums Breezy Badger form where people could just post the .desktop files?
[05:24] <bddebian> bmonty: No, ignore that crap :-)
[05:24] <ajmitch> LaserJock: good idea
[05:25] <LaserJock> I think first off, the list of packages needing .desktop files needs to be updated
[05:25] <Amaranth> ajmitch: basically anything i could do for you is covered by a shell script
[05:25] <ajmitch> sure
[05:25] <ajmitch> Amaranth: ok :)
[05:25] <Amaranth> unless you need help figuring out what category to put something in
[05:26] <bmonty> bddebian: so...just cut it out of the debdiff?
[05:26] <bddebian> bmonty: I would but I'm probably the wrong person to ask :-)
[05:26] <ajmitch> bmonty: yeah, it's the easiest way for now
[05:26] <bmonty> too easy :)
[05:34] <LaserJock> so, would it be OK if I found the packages that needed .desktop files in Breezy and updated the wiki?
[05:35] <ajmitch> gah, what is mcs 1.0.5 source still doing in breezy?
[05:35] <bmonty> ajmitch: I added a debdiff for amsynth, just needs a rebuild
[05:35] <bmonty> and with that....good night everyone
[05:35] <bddebian> Good night bmonty, good work
[05:36] <ajmitch> bmonty: thanks, night
[05:40] <bddebian> Howdy ogra
[05:41] <ajmitch> that should never be on there, and mono-assemblies-arch should be gone from the archive
[05:42] <bddebian> So fix it d00d
[05:43] <ajmitch> umm, what do you think I'm doing?
[05:46] <bddebian> Yapping ;-P
[05:48] <Lathiat> haha
[06:07] <LaserJock> ajmitch: is there something I should do for this .desktop thing or should I let you (MOTU) take care of it?
[06:08] <ajmitch> write .desktop files? :)
[06:08] <ajmitch> we'll sort out what packages need them asap
[06:08] <LaserJock> who should I give them to?
[06:09] <LaserJock> should I just start posting them in the Ubuntu Forums?
[06:09] <LaserJock> or would the wiki be more appropriate?
[06:10] <ajmitch> wiki is where we will see them quicker
[06:10] <LaserJock> oh, ok
[06:18] <LaserJock> ok, another question, are the packages on the UniverseUnmetDeps wikipage for Breezy?
[06:18] <bddebian> Yes
[06:18] <LaserJock> only Breezy?
[06:18] <bddebian> Yes
[06:18] <LaserJock> cool, thanks
[06:18] <bddebian> NP
[06:19] <seth_k> speaking of .desktop files, someone want to figure out why this .desktop file refuses to show in the KDE menu?
[06:19] <bddebian> Time for me to head for bed. Gnight folks, thanks LaserJock and good work as always ajmitch ;-)
[06:19] <seth_k> night bddebian
[06:19] <bddebian> Gnight seth_k :-)
[06:19] <LaserJock> goodnight
[06:22] <seth_k> http://sethkinast.com/ubuntu/breezy/kmobiletools/ << I patched this to install its .desktop file to /usr/share/applications/kde, but it just will not show up in the K menu and I don't know why.
[06:22] <seth_k> after I can figure out this issue it gets to go on revu
[06:33] <LaserJock> seth_k: have you tried taking out the X-KDE and X_DCOP lines?
[06:34] <seth_k> LaserJock, not sure, I've tried so many things... I'll try that now :)
[06:34] <seth_k> I think I just cheated off of kandy's .desktop file or something
[06:35] <seth_k> okay, changed and building
[06:35] <seth_k> cross fingers!
[06:38] <Amaranth> X-* things are extensions to the spec and shouldn't make a difference
[06:38] <Amaranth> seeing how kde and gnome both ignore keys they don't understand
[06:38] <LaserJock> seth_k: looking at http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ar01s04.html it says that you could use just StartupNotify=true and I would think you would want OnlyShowIn=KDE
[06:39] <Amaranth> wrong
[06:39] <Amaranth> if these could possibly have any use at all in GNOME or XFCE do not use OnlyShowIn=KDE
[06:40] <Amaranth> kmobiletools.desktop doesn't have a Categories key
[06:40] <Amaranth> so kmenu doesn't know where to put it
[06:40] <seth_k> yeah it does... at the bottom?
[06:40] <Amaranth> in your diff?
[06:41] <Amaranth> ah, ok
[06:42] <seth_k> removed the two X- lines, still not showing up
[06:42] <seth_k> I've verified that the file does exist at /usr/share/applications/kde/
[06:42] <Amaranth> you ran desktop-file-validate on the final .desktop file?
[06:42] <seth_k> yes
[06:42] <seth_k> no output
[06:43] <Amaranth> dunno what to tell you, it should be showing up in the 'Utilities' menu
[06:44] <seth_k> I know :(
[06:44] <seth_k> could it be an external bug?
[06:44] <seth_k> or is there some sort of update menus call I need to make in debian/rules ?
[06:44] <Lathiat> nope
[06:45] <Lathiat> but
[06:45] <Lathiat> your gnome-panel might suck
[06:45] <seth_k> I'm using KDE :P
[06:45] <Amaranth> it shows up here?
[06:45] <seth_k> ??
[06:45] <seth_k> it shows up in your menu?
[06:45] <Amaranth> it shows up in gnome-menus and kmenu
[06:45] <seth_k> O__O
[06:45] <Amaranth> well, my simplified version of it (stripped translations)
[06:45] <Amaranth> let me try to install the package
[06:46] <seth_k> thanks, Amaranth
[06:46] <Amaranth> it is showing up here
[06:46] <Amaranth> with the package
[06:47] <Amaranth> in kmenu and gnome-menus
[06:47] <seth_k> wow
[06:47] <seth_k> so all this time
[06:47] <seth_k> it's just been my kde that sucks
[06:47] <seth_k> hmmmmm
[06:47] <Amaranth> it's in utilities
[06:47] <seth_k> that's another problem for another day I guess
[06:47] <LaserJock> Amaranth: would it be possible to have smeg put OnlyShowIn=KDE in the .desktop files in /usr/share/applications/kde/ as sort of a "on/off" flag?
[06:48] <Amaranth> LaserJock: it puts NoDisplay=true
[06:48] <LaserJock> aww, ok
[06:48] <Amaranth> and/or uses an <Exclude>, i can't remember what pyxdg does now
[06:48] <Amaranth> i follow the spec, not some hack :p
[06:49] <LaserJock> does it do that for all of the kde files or do you have to manually pick each one?
[06:49] <seth_k> I wonder why it wouldn't be showing up for me...
[06:49] <seth_k> Amaranth, are you running Breezy?
[06:49] <Amaranth> it does that for every file
[06:50] <Amaranth> LaserJock: i don't touch files in /usr/share/applications/kde directly and i don't make a user copy with NoDisplay=true unless the user chooses to hide it
[06:50] <Amaranth> LaserJock: i don't make smeg systematically hunt for all KDE apps and hide them, that's stupid
[06:50] <LaserJock> yeah, that makes sense
[06:50] <Amaranth> seeing how KDE users use smeg
[06:51] <LaserJock> I just thought it would be cool to have a KDE "on/off" switch
[06:51] <LaserJock> same would apply to Gnome apps
[06:51] <Amaranth> bleh
[06:51] <Amaranth> users don't care
[06:51] <Amaranth> real users, not biased developer-users
[06:52] <Amaranth> kde app, gnome app, whatever, as long as it works
[06:53] <seth_k> Amaranth, are you running Breezy or Hoary?
[06:53] <LaserJock> sure, that makes sense8-)
[06:53] <Amaranth> seth_k: breezy
[06:53] <seth_k> thanks
[06:53] <seth_k> still odd, but oh well :)
[06:54] <LaserJock> heah Amaranth, I was wondering how did your hard drive overheated?
[06:55] <Amaranth> fsck
[06:55] <Amaranth> two HD sitting on top of each other and an auto-fsck
[06:55] <LaserJock> really?
[06:55] <Amaranth> stupid auto-fsck-after-30-mounts
[06:56] <Lathiat> heh
[06:56] <Lathiat> i hate that
[06:56] <LaserJock> what filesystem?
[06:56] <Lathiat> whatd rock
[06:56] <Lathiat> is online fscking
[06:56] <Amaranth> ext3
[06:56] <Lathiat> like ufs on freebsd has
[06:56] <Lathiat> -> win
[06:56] <Amaranth> the partition table was gone
[06:56] <Amaranth> every tool i could find that would read it said it was a new drive
[06:58] <LaserJock> hmmm, I've heard of using dd to copy the contents of a disk when other tools can't read it, but I've never tried it
[06:59] <Amaranth> i had two choices: sit without a computer and no way of repairing it for a month or repartition
[06:59] <Amaranth> and when that month was up i'd be somewhere where i won't have internet access
[06:59] <Amaranth> not often, anyway
[06:59] <Amaranth> college sucks
[07:00] <LaserJock> no internet access at college?
[07:00] <Lathiat> hrm, our colleges tend to have rathert good internet access
[07:00] <Amaranth> they don't have dorms, i'm living with an uncle until i get a place
[07:00] <Amaranth> it's a community college thing
[07:00] <LaserJock> where?
[07:01] <Amaranth> sioux city
[07:01] <LaserJock> cool, I'm in Reno, NV
[07:01] <Amaranth> (google, only one of those in the US)
[07:02] <Amaranth> iowa
[07:03] <LaserJock> never been to iowa, I've stayed to the Rockies or west :-)
[07:04] <Amaranth> *shrug*
[07:04] <Amaranth> anyway, game time, bbl
[07:04] <LaserJock> yeah, time to go to bed for me
[07:04] <LaserJock> good night all and thanks for the info ajmitch
[09:53] <cat> hey people
[10:19] <siretart> hi folks
[10:20] <\sh> hey siretart
[10:21] <siretart> huhu \sh, nice to soo read you :)
[10:22] <siretart> s/soo/ *g*
[10:29] <\sh> siretart: ah...I'm not trying to become mad ,-) right now I have too much workload here (!= ubuntu stuff)
[10:30] <siretart> oh, I feel with you. I had this the last 2 weeks :/
[10:32] <\sh> siretart: and my result was: uploading a new version to main without a permission *peinlich*
[10:33] <siretart> \sh: well, daniels gave you permission, dind't he?
[10:35] <\sh> siretart: but not kamion or matt...
[10:35] <\sh> hey ogra
[10:36] <Burgundavia> ogra, aside from ndis guid, what was the other tool your student was working on?
[10:53] <jstr> hey guys
[10:53] <jstr> I want to join up and write code for you
[10:55] <siretart> jstr: cool!
[10:56] <siretart> jstr: any special in mind?
[10:56] <jstr> well thats it... i dont know
[10:56] <jstr> i really like using c
[10:57] <jstr> im an undergraduate comp sci student with no actual programming experience in the work place, however i have completed heeps of units in the field
[10:59] <siretart> well, we seldom do actual coding. more often, we package programs, and have to fix compilation errors from software, which doesn't built with newer compilers like gcc-4.0
[10:59] <jstr> i have done units in C (in a UNIX environment), C++, to many java units :(, UML, project management
[10:59] <jstr> well, i know how to make MAKE files at least :)
[10:59] <siretart> :)
[11:00] <siretart> jstr: well, have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo
[11:00] <siretart> jstr: we really need every helping hand, there are tons of stuff to do
[11:01] <jstr> well im prepared to put in at least an 8 hour day a week for the rest of the year
[11:01] <ajmitch> we don't do so much programming as packaging
[11:01] <ajmitch> that's good
[11:02] <jstr> its just so when i graduate i have some nice things to write on my resume
[11:02] <ajmitch> not because you want to help the community? ;)
[11:03] <jstr> that aswell.
[11:04] <ajmitch> we do a lot of fixing packages that are broken, creating new packages, etc
[11:05] <jstr> i have never done anything like that before so it will be something new for me to learn
[11:29] <sistpoty> hi all
[11:29] <janimo> hi sistpoty
[11:29] <ajmitch> hi sistpoty
[11:51] <\sh> mmm
[11:51] <\sh> hmmm
[11:51] <\sh> I should create a new ejabberd package
[11:51] <\sh> some good new features
[11:52] <janimo> \sh did the voip goal for breezy get deffered?
[11:52] <janimo> Isee you were on the team initially
[11:52] <ajmitch> you'll have to pass the motu review gauntlet first ;)
[11:52] <ajmitch> janimo: I think so
[11:52] <ajmitch> there are a few deferred goals, sadly
[11:52] <janimo> that shtoom one was very appealing though..
[11:53] <janimo> I guess upstream didn;t move fast enough
[11:53] <Lathiat> shtoom has a 2 second audio delay for me :\
[11:54] <\sh> janimo: yes...looks like...cause there r some issues twisted...
[11:54] <\sh> janimo: I tried twisted 2.x and shtoom but didn't work
[11:54] <Lathiat> \sh: it worked for me last check
[11:54] <Lathiat> always has really
[11:54] <Lathiat> for me anyway
[11:55] <\sh> Lathiat: I have to check it again
[11:56] <\sh> and I need to renew the SIP Express Router packages....
[11:56] <\sh> remove the provided debian/ dir and create a new one
[11:56] <janimo> I think the voip goal also dependen on some central ubuntu.com ids for users which is not in place right?
[11:57] <\sh> janimo: first of all, there must be a running environment of software
[11:57] <\sh> janimo: then we can implement some things like single sign on
[11:58] <janimo> \sh I know, I meant it's not only the technical issues that deffered the goal
[11:58] <\sh> janimo: time, workload, ressources
[12:03] <ajmitch> fun, new tomboy release out for tseng
[12:04] <\sh> janimo: yes
[12:05] <sistpoty> cu later
[12:08] <siretart> woah, revu backlog finally decreasing :)
[12:08] <Lathiat> yay
[12:09] <Lathiat> siretart: hrm, if i try to access the pingus .changes it gives a no permisison
[12:11] <siretart> Lathiat: the changes file are not meant to be downloaded
[12:12] <Lathiat> heh ok
[12:12] <siretart> Lathiat: I should perhaps delete them, but then I cannot reimport them in case of failure
[12:12] <siretart> Lathiat: the problem is: uploads made by motus could be uploaded by anyone to ubuntu, since our keys are also in the ubuntu keyring
[12:12] <siretart> Lathiat: I don't want this
[12:13] <Lathiat> ah right
[12:13] <Lathiat> i see
[12:13] <siretart> Lathiat: e.g. I just uploaded qemu to revu to get it tested for real x86. I'm not sure if that package is ok, so I don't want to have it in universe right now
[12:26] <ajmitch> argh, vegastrike dies
[12:33] <SloMoSnail> siretart: is the new ppc patch included with that qemu upload? (sorry, don't have much time atm... learning maths)
[12:42] <siretart> SloMoSnail: I took the latest debian version which could be built in debian
[12:42] <siretart> for ppc, that is
[12:45] <SloMoSnail> siretart: wonderfull :) i'll test it on x86 and ppc in a few minutes
[12:49] <ajmitch> sigh, vegastrike FTBFS
[12:55] <ogra> bah games...
[12:57] <ajmitch> ogra: they can be fun :)
[12:57] <ajmitch> also a waste of time
[12:57] <ogra> heh... yes...and the eat development tme :)
[12:57] <ogra> time
[12:57] <ajmitch> yes, I shouldn't do anything that would eat into MOTU time ;)
[01:00] <SloMoSnail> siretart: builds fine on x86
[01:04] <janimo> siretart using gcc-4?
[01:04] <janimo> cause that does not work with qemu AFAIK
[01:05] <SloMoSnail> janimo: nope... it is build with 3.4
[01:06] <janimo> I am looking now
[01:12] <janimo> built fine here on x86
[01:12] <janimo> and installedd too
[01:12] <SloMoSnail> janimo: same for me... and on ppc it is built fine in a few seconds it seems ;)
[01:12] <janimo> on x86 it took about 5mins
[01:21] <musicistaCont> i have a problem with kdevelop 3.2.0 code completion don't work only whit libstdc++ i make new PSC database but nothig what i have to do?
[01:21] <siretart> SloMoSnail: great, then I'll upload that qemu upload in a minute
[01:24] <janimo> easy way to clone a page in the wiki?
[01:24] <janimo> do a large page similar to an existing one so a new title basically
[01:25] <SloMoSnail> janimo: make a redirect... put just this in the new page: #REDIRECT OldPage
[01:27] <janimo> SloMoSail thanks
[01:35] <janimo> slomosnail, I want to clone the page but then heab=vily modify it, I want a template, not just an alias
[01:35] <janimo> is your suggestion still valid?
[01:36] <SloMoSnail> no... my suggestion was a plain redirect... no idea how you can achieve what you want...
[01:37] <janimo> hmm there are templates but not for maininclusionreports as I want to write
[01:38] <janimo> wikis are primitive :)
[01:38] <SloMoSnail> just take one of the other maininclusionreports and copy the stuff ;) that's how i made mine...
[01:38] <SloMoSnail> what package do you want in main?
[01:38] <ajmitch> night all
[01:39] <SloMoSnail> gn8 ajmitch
[01:39] <sistpoty> gn8 ajmitch
[01:39] <janimo> slomo, xfce4 & co
[01:39] <janimo> about 20-30 packages
[01:39] <janimo> I see edubuntu inclusion is nicely colored, I want that too :)
[01:41] <DanielN> someone around?
[01:42] <SloMoSnail> hi DanielN
[01:42] <DanielN> hi to all first :)
[02:11] <mbreit> hi all
[02:11] <Mez> what was the replacemtn for xlibmesa-gl ?
[02:15] <janimo> libgl1-xorg
[02:15] <janimo> apt-cache search xlibmesa-gl :)
[02:21] <pef> hello
[02:21] <mbreit> hi pef
[02:24] <SloMoSnail> is this new gnome clipboard daemon already in breezy? and what is it called?
[02:27] <mbreit> SloMoSnail: do you mean gcm?
[02:27] <mbreit> http://gcm.sourceforge.net/ ?
[02:27] <Lathiat> isnt it integrated into gnome-session-manager or somethign
[02:28] <SloMoSnail> no idea... i heard gnome 2.12 would have some kind of clipboard manager ;)
[02:45] <Amaranth> it does
[02:46] <Amaranth> gnome-clipboard-daemon isn't needed, it's been rolled into gnome-settings-daemon
[02:46] <Lathiat> right
[02:46] <Lathiat> as i thought
[02:46] <SloMoSnail> Amaranth: settings or session?
[02:46] <Amaranth> settings
[02:47] <SloMoSnail> hmm... session seems to be more natural to me ;)
[02:47] <Amaranth> i remember this because when the bugs were getting worked out it was dying all the time
[02:47] <Amaranth> and you lose your theme and everything when it dies
[02:49] <Lathiat> heh
[02:49] <Lathiat> yeh
[02:49] <Lathiat> SloMoSnail: yeh cept its not a session daemon :)
[02:52] <tseng> Lathiat: sneaking in my first rails app at work
[02:52] <tseng> Lathiat: :D
[02:52] <Lathiat> tseng: haha
[02:52] <Lathiat> tseng: cool
[02:52] <Lathiat> i havent had much chance to play with it lately
[02:52] <Lathiat> busy on avahi and stuff
[02:53] <Lathiat> now my address is whitelisted i can go about getting these packages uploaded i've been fixing
[02:53] <SloMoSnail> tseng: can you upload the new cowbell from debian? ;)
[02:53] <tseng> no, but i can sync it
[02:53] <tseng> SloMoSnail: mail elmo, request cowbell sync from debian
[02:54] <tseng> james.troup @ C.com
[02:54] <SloMoSnail> isn't it just james?
[02:54] <tseng> james.troup WFM
[02:55] <SloMoSnail> ok, you're right
[02:57] <SloMoSnail> done
[02:58] <mbreit> btw: what happened to the i386 buildd? did it build EVER package? or just the ones that failed the last time?
[03:03] <mbreit> and i am going to update the unmet deps list.... since i think that all the rebuilds on the buildd could have changed a lot
[03:05] <crimsun> A good number of those unmet will need to be given back yet again due to i386 buildd screwage, it seems.
[03:05] <mbreit> it seems that the buildd is still rebuilding everything...
[03:25] <janimo> ogra do you know how can I steal EdubuntuMaininclusion page with minimal effort and use it a a template?
[03:25] <janimo> for xfce inclusion page
[03:25] <ogra> janimo, sure...
[03:25] <janimo> anything more intuitive than copy-paste the sources
[03:25] <ogra> janimo, but there also is a template page somewhere
[03:25] <janimo> could not find one with so many nice colors ;)
[03:26] <ogra> and a process description what is required and how to do it
[03:26] <janimo> I know the process but I wonder how do I say in the wiki: 'fork this page'
[03:27] <janimo> IOW edit the text inside the tables and leave the appearance
[03:27] <janimo> but a new copy not inplace over yours :)
[03:27] <ogra> click on a nonexistent report, change the url to your name and click on "create page"
[03:28] <janimo> yes but the new page will be blank w/o tables and other niceties
[03:28] <janimo> oh well
[03:29] <janimo> I guess I'll copy paste the source
[03:38] <Amaranth> hmm
[03:39] <Amaranth> why doesn't muine just use inotify through gamin through gnome_vfs_monitor_add?
[03:41] <Lathiat> cus gamin sucks? :)
[03:45] <Amaranth> ..
[03:45] <Amaranth> gamin doesn't suck, seb just didn't have the dependencies for gnome-menus setup right :p
[03:45] <Amaranth> ooh, that reminds me
[03:45] <Amaranth> gnome-menus 2.11.91 actually cleanly builds and runs on hoary, it's going into backports
[03:46] <Lathiat> heh
[03:46] <SloMoSnail> Amaranth: better question: why doesn't muine use gst, taglib or this c# tag-thingie to read the tags? and why has it the formats it can play hardcoded... now it can't play musepack although gst supports it...
[03:46] <Amaranth> no <Layout> (dunno why) but since the breezy package depends on libgamin-dev it actually fixes the autoupdating
[03:46] <Amaranth> SloMoSnail: it came before all of that :P
[04:04] <pef> I've modified a home made deb package to be compliant with ubuntu, how should I submit it ? revu doesn't seems to be a good solution (no .diff)
[04:04] <pef> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=335
[04:06] <SloMoSnail> pef: how have you created this package? dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa? then put the original source tarball in the parent directory (of the source directory) and name it kvpnc_0.7.2.orig.tar.gz
[04:06] <SloMoSnail> then you'll get a diff
[04:07] <pef> SloMoSnail: no, package made by the author
[04:07] <SloMoSnail> so the debian stuff was already in the upstream tarball?
[04:07] <pef> yes
[04:07] <pef> exactly
[04:07] <Amaranth> ick
[04:07] <SloMoSnail> wonderfull ;)
[04:08] <pef> :)
[04:08] <SloMoSnail> but then just do it as i said... should work ;)
[04:09] <Amaranth> linda output is awesome
[04:09] <Amaranth> This package appears to conform to a newer Standards-Version that has been released. One of us is incorrect.
[04:10] <Lathiat> haha
[04:10] <DanielN> hrmpf
[04:10] <pef> Amaranth: I've set Standards-Version to 3.6.2 in debian/control
[04:10] <DanielN> isn't it possible to debootstrap breezy from hoary?
[04:11] <Amaranth> linda is kind of a bitch, someone must not have liked their wife/girlfriend/mother
[04:11] <SloMoSnail> pef: when you've uploaded the version with the diff against the upstream tarball i'll look at it... from the changelog your changes sound sane ;)
[04:11] <pef> nice :)
[04:13] <SloMoSnail> hmm... Recommends: vpnc | freeswan
[04:14] <SloMoSnail> better Depend on it... at least it seems to be needed at runtime, right?
[04:14] <Amaranth> oh no, not another one of those
[04:14] <Amaranth> apt-file's package is like that too
[04:14] <Amaranth> supposedly it's a feature, not a bug
[04:15] <pef> SloMoSnail: freeswan is only usefull if you work on a freeswan vpn, otherwise useless depend
[04:15] <SloMoSnail> Amaranth: hm what's it with apt-file? does it recommend curl although it needs it? ;)
[04:15] <Amaranth> yeah
[04:15] <Amaranth> curl or something else
[04:17] <SloMoSnail> pef: but i assume it doesn't work without one of these two...
[04:18] <pef> SloMoSnail: if freeswan isn't installed, only the protocol freeswan won't be available, but others yes
[04:18] <SloMoSnail> pef: and for copyright... it's GPL2 so change the path at the end to /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-2
[04:19] <SloMoSnail> pef: but does anything work with it when neither freeswan and vpnc are installed?
[04:20] <pef> SloMoSnail: You can use openvpn :) I have to check this field more carefully
[04:21] <SloMoSnail> pef: but then you must have openvpn installed ;) that's exactly the problem...
[04:22] <SloMoSnail> pef: and maybe use dh_install instead of install for the desktop file... but that shouldn't matter much :)
[04:22] <SloMoSnail> pef: other than that i'm ok with this package
[04:22] <pef> SloMoSnail: I think putting Depends: openvpn | freeswan | foo, so the package can be used and all "protocol" packages as Suggest ?
[04:23] <SloMoSnail> what are protocol packages?
[04:25] <pef> SloMoSnail: openvpn, vpnc, pptpclient, freeswan (to use the protocol in the program)
[04:27] <SloMoSnail> ah ok... so a depend on one of those and a suggest for all of them? hmm, could be ok but better ask someone else for that
[04:28] <SloMoSnail> but just notice me when you've uploaded a new version... i'll look through it then and maybe you get a vote ;)
[04:28] <pef> SloMoSnail: I had the same problem with datakiosk (databases utility), does I must include all qt db drivers ? (sqlite, mysql, pgsql, ...)
[04:29] <pef> SloMoSnail: just have this problem to solve and it will be uploaded
[04:30] <SloMoSnail> for me it sound correct to depend on one of the possibilities (a | b | c | ...) and Suggest all of them (a,b,c,...)
[04:39] <gary_> Hi there - is it okay for me to bring up an issue with a universe package here?
[04:39] <gary_> a missing dependency rather than a bug in the package, as such
[04:42] <pef> gary_: what's the problem ?
[04:42] <gary_> well I upgraded to breezy yesterday, and uim-common depends on (non-existent package) im-switch
[04:43] <gary_> im-switch is in debian unstable and experimental
[04:44] <gary_> I'd be happy to port the package, but I haven't reviewed the universe guidelines, and have only worked on packaging for one or two things before
[04:44] <gary_> and it might be too late for breezy now?
[04:50] <pef> how can I manage long debian/control fields ? (Suggests: longer than 80 characters)
[04:51] <Amaranth> pef: \n\t?
[04:51] <gary_> pef: debian-installer has a Build-Depends 1021 characters long
[04:52] <Nafallo> siretart: ping
[04:52] <siretart> Nafallo: pong
[04:53] <SloMoSnail> pef: just make it as long as it needs to be... only for description there's a limit of 80 chars
[04:53] <pef> thanks :)
[04:53] <Nafallo> siretart: what to do with im-switch? bring in a new package tweaked for xorg? :-)
[04:53] <pef> gary_: I think you should fill a bug report on malone
[04:54] <Amaranth> gcc-4.0's build-depends line is 2181 characters
[04:54] <siretart> Nafallo: erm, sorry. what is im-switch?
[04:54] <Amaranth> and vlc build-deps on 56 (!) different packages
[04:55] <Nafallo> siretart: ahh, you wasn't following :-). uim is on UniverseUnmetDeps, uim-common deps on im-switch. im-switch is in debian but not in ubuntu and deps on xfree86-common :-).
[04:55] <SloMoSnail> Amaranth: what about gst-plugins and mplayer? ;)
[04:56] <Amaranth> they don't come close according to this shell script written by a debian guy
[04:56] <Nafallo> siretart: the right solution would be to take im-switch from debian, modify and upload to REVU to fix uim?
[04:56] <siretart> Nafallo: does im-switch really need xfree86-common? I mean, can't the package be modified to work with xorg?
[04:56] <Amaranth> oh, gst-plugins0.8 is 51
[04:56] <Amaranth> mplayer isn't in the top 10
[04:56] <siretart> Nafallo: yes, that way we could have a look at it
[04:57] <Nafallo> siretart: oki, I'll see what I can do about it then :-)
[04:57] <Amaranth> vlc is tied with debian-installer
[05:13] <gary_> Nafallo: im-switch works fine for me just with the depends on xfree86-common replaced by xorg-common
[05:14] <gary_> Nafallo: and the postinst and prerm look safe enough with that dependency
[05:15] <Nafallo> gary_: oki, I'll upload to REVU then and hopes the acks from three other MOTUs goes quick ;-)
[05:17] <gary_> Nafallo: thanks! I'm sure the other IM frameworks are good, I'm just used to that one.
[05:17] <Nafallo> gary_: np :-)
[05:23] <siretart> Nafallo: I think you just uploaded a native package, was this intentional?
[05:25] <Nafallo> siretart: seems to be native in debian, not sure if we should follow that?
[05:25] <siretart> ok
[05:25] <Nafallo> siretart: I'll see what the comments gives ;-)
[05:29] <bddebian> Morning
[05:33] <\sh> grmpf
[05:34] <\sh> I wanted to go home..and now I'm sitting here and fixing eit streams for turkish dtv services
[05:34] <bddebian> Sounds fun :-)
[05:35] <bddebian> Hello \sh
[05:35] <\sh> it's bar ,-)
[05:35] <\sh> hey bddebian
[05:36] <\sh> it's a foobar situation
[05:38] <\sh> ok..next try to go home: -22 min
[05:40] <bddebian> \sh: Isn't everything foobar? :-)
[05:41] <pef> using cdbs, which target should I use to delete admin/config.(guess|sub) ?
[05:41] <pef> clean:: and cleanbuildir won't work
[05:41] <bddebian> chillywilly: :-)
[05:44] <pef> :)
[05:44] <\sh> delete ?
[05:44] <\sh> and then copy it back from /usr/share/misc?
[05:45] <pef> \sh: it's autotools temp files no ?
[05:46] <infinito> \sh: excuse me... i know i'm sooo tiring, but can u give any idea about howto get gcfilms synced??
[05:46] <infinito> \sh: i've talked with elmo yesterday and he told me wiki was not the way to do it...
[05:48] <\sh> pef: autotools-dev
[05:48] <pef> infinito: I think the package needs a review before being integrated
[05:48] <\sh> pef: normally it's delivered
[05:48] <pef> \sh: I just want to delete them from my .diff.gz ;) another method than moving debian folder ?
[05:50] <\sh> config.{guess,sub} is in $(CURDIR)...you could backup the old ones, put the new ones during configure, and after installing you can put the old ones back in place
[05:50] <pef> \sh: I have them in curdir and in curdir/admin too
[05:51] <\sh> pef: kde stuff?
[05:51] <pef> \sh: yep
[05:51] <\sh> pef: hmm...u don't do a autogen.sh?
[05:52] <\sh> infinito: hmm....
[05:52] <\sh> infinito: I'll try another way later this evening...
[05:52] <infinito> \sh: thanks a lot
[05:52] <infinito> \sh: feature freeze is tomorrow, so maybe we're on time to make it into breezy....
[05:53] <\sh> infinito:hmmm
[05:53] <\sh> ogra: ping
[05:53] <ogra> \sh, ?
[05:54] <pef> infinito: feature freeze means no new packages into universe, too ?
[05:54] <\sh> ogra: feature freezy will affect universe as well as hard as main?
[05:54] <\sh> lol...freezy
[05:54] <\sh> breezy
[05:54] <infinito> pef: not sure... maybe im wrong
[05:54] <\sh> I'm really tired
[05:56] <koke> siretart: have you seen http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=319527 ?
[05:57] <koke> do you now if it already builds on breezy ppc?
[05:57] <ogra> i dont think we will handle it as serious
[05:57] <ogra> \sh, ^^
[05:57] <koke> I can try this night at home
[05:57] <ogra> as well as we dont handle UVF as serious...
[05:57] <\sh> ogra: I'm really ashamed what happened yesterday with xterm...i was somewhere else with my brain and didn't think about upstream freeze *grrrr*
[05:57] <SloMoSnail> koke: the qemu version siretart uploaded today builds on amd64, x86 and ppc ;)
[05:58] <ogra> yup... i saw it
[05:58] <\sh> ok...another try to go home...later guys
[05:58] <koke> I must be blind :)
[05:59] <koke> I just looked at packages.u.c
[06:02] <WaterSevenUb> is anyone here using firestarter? I need to confirm a bug... in outbound connection events tab, click with the right button of the mouse. In my case, appears the same options as in an inbound event
[06:02] <WaterSevenUb> at least using a translated firestarter.. not sure if the same happens in pure english. In other words, select "outbound event" - "select with right button of the mouse" , compare the options with those of an "inbound event
[06:06] <koke> WaterSevenUb: you can launch it untranslated running from a terminal
[06:06] <koke> LC_ALL=C firestarter
[06:06] <koke> or whatever the command is called
[06:16] <WaterSevenUb> Ok... it doesn't happen in pure english. I've checked the PO file and the strings are correctly translated. What is happening?
[06:17] <WaterSevenUb> koke: in the translated firestarter there is the problem although the strings in the PO file are correctly translated.
[06:18] <koke> WaterSevenUb: check it at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/firestarter/+pots/firestarter/pt
[06:21] <WaterSevenUb> koke: ? (I am using that POT)
[06:28] <WaterSevenUb> koke: and with that POT, the "outbound events" options behave like "inbound events" even the translation is correct for the strings of the "outbound events" options.
[06:32] <mbreit> hi guys
[06:34] <bddebian> Heya mbreit
[06:35] <mbreit> hey bddebian
[06:37] <sistpoty> hi mbreit
[06:37] <mbreit> hey sistpoty
[06:39] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty
[06:39] <mbreit> grr.... i hate those segfault on the buildds
[06:40] <mbreit> they prevent me from watching tv :(
[06:41] <bddebian> Heh
[06:52] <pef> SloMoSnail: ping
[06:52] <SloMoSnail> pef: pong
[06:52] <pef> SloMoSnail: kvpnc uploaded http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=335 :)
[06:55] <SloMoSnail> pef: where's the diff?
[06:56] <pef> SloMoSnail: wrong link, sorry http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=337
[06:59] <SloMoSnail> pef: maybe call dh_desktop at the end of install
[07:00] <pef> SloMoSnail: right (It's my first cdbs package ;)
[07:03] <SloMoSnail> i wonder why the kde class doesn't call dh_desktop... the gnome one does...
[07:05] <SloMoSnail> are the buildds broken atm? there are so many weird errors...
[07:06] <SloMoSnail> pef: reuploaded with dh_desktop?
[07:06] <pef> SloMoSnail: I have others comments in #kubuntu-devel ;)
[07:06] <SloMoSnail> ok ;)
[07:22] <SloMoSnail> siretart: do you know what happened your liferea upload yesterday? i got the accept mail but it haven't reached the buildds yet...
[07:29] <SloMoSnail> pef: what are the remaining problems the kubuntu people found?
[07:30] <pef> SloMoSnail: things like s|/usr/bin||g in debian/menu, s/vpn/VPN (virtual private network)/ and others things making a package _very_ nice :)
[07:30] <pef> SloMoSnail: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=338
[07:32] <SloMoSnail> ok, looks better ;) any other things remaining?
[07:33] <pef> SloMoSnail: I think no
[07:36] <SloMoSnail> pef: but i have some... in the debian directory are some files which should be cleaned... for example the stamps
[07:37] <tritium> bddebian, hey man
[07:38] <pef> SloMoSnail: where ? I can't see theme here http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/kvpnc-0508101930/kvpnc_0.7.2-1ubuntu1.diff
[07:38] <SloMoSnail> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/kvpnc-0508101930/kvpnc-0.7.2/debian/
[07:39] <SloMoSnail> omg... they're in the upstream tarball...
[07:39] <SloMoSnail> ok, then everything's fine ;)
[07:39] <bddebian> tritium!! Where you been man?
[07:39] <bddebian> tritium: All moved?
[07:39] <tritium> bddebian, dude, moving
[07:39] <pef> SloMoSnail: and I can't delete them from orig tarball :/
[07:40] <tritium> bddebian, Yeah, we arrived in Albuquerque Sunday night. It'll be a few more days before I have broadband up.
[07:40] <SloMoSnail> pef: yeah... doesn't matter... ok, now lets see if this builds ;)
[07:40] <pef> I really have to go
[07:40] <bddebian> tritium: Ah, cool
[07:41] <pef> SloMoSnail: don't forget to add any comments to revu
[07:41] <tritium> bddebian, anyway, I'm at a coffee shop getting wireless for a few minutes. I got an email regarding your attempted upload. Did you fix it?
[07:41] <mbreit> pef: why do you put the desktop-file in debian/usr/share/applications/kde/kvpnc.desktop?
[07:41] <SloMoSnail> pef: don't worry :) when everything's fine you get a vote from me
[07:41] <SloMoSnail> mbreit: i wanted to ask this :P
[07:41] <bddebian> tritium: For which?
[07:41] <tritium> bddebian, python-pyrtf
[07:42] <bddebian> Hmm, I dunno if I saw that
[07:42] <mbreit> from debian/rules: mv debian/kvpnc/usr/share/applnk/Internet/kvpnc.desktop debian/kvpnc/usr/share/applications/kde/
[07:42] <pef> the file is automaticaly copied to the right location
[07:42] <tritium> bddebian, from katie
[07:42] <mbreit> pef: you should put it in debian/kvpnc.desktop and move it in debian/rules to the right location
[07:43] <tritium> well, I need to get going here. I'll be in touch as soon as I can. Give me a few more days to get settled before I'm online more regularly
[07:43] <mbreit> debian/kvpnc should be deleted in the clean-target, so there shouldn't be any important files
[07:43] <bddebian> tritium: I just got whitelisted a couple days ago
[07:43] <tritium> ago :)
[07:43] <bddebian> tritium: Oh, enjoy :-)
[07:43] <SloMoSnail> mbreit: yes... and currently the original desktop file in src is copied over there... and not the one in debian/
[07:43] <SloMoSnail> pef: are they the same?
[07:43] <tritium> bddebian, okay, have a good day. I'll be in touch soon. bye
[07:43] <pef> SloMoSnail: no
[07:43] <mbreit> then it should just be deleted in clean...
[07:44] <SloMoSnail> pef: here they are the same ;)
[07:45] <mbreit> pef: otherwise it looks very nice... to bad that i have no voting rights on revu, you would get my vote besides that issue above ;)
[07:45] <pef> very proud to hear this :)
[07:45] <SloMoSnail> pef: i would suggest to just remove the desktop file from the debian directory... you aren't using it anyways ;)
[07:45] <SloMoSnail> pef: just solve this small issue and you get the vote
[07:46] <SloMoSnail> pef: (builds fine here)
[07:49] <pef> SloMoSnail: adding a rm desktop file to clean target ?
[07:49] <SloMoSnail> nope... just remove the debian/usr directory from the diff
[07:49] <mbreit> SloMoSnail: the desktop file should be deleted with the clean target...
[07:50] <pef> mbreit: rm -rfd debian/usr to clean target is ok ?
[07:51] <mbreit> pef: well, _should_ be, but better ask a motu with some experiences (i am not a motu)
[07:51] <SloMoSnail> pef: debian/usr isn't created by the build process... seems like you created it ;) just remove this directory from your diff and everything will be cleaned correctly
[07:51] <mbreit> oh, okay, i see
[07:52] <mbreit> i thought it was debian/kvpnc/... and that is generated during the build
[07:52] <mbreit> pef: believe SloMoSnail, he's right ;)
[07:52] <SloMoSnail> mbreit: yes... but cdbs removes this stuff itself while cleaning ;)
[07:53] <mbreit> SloMoSnail: that's the point which was striking me ;)
[07:54] <SloMoSnail> ok, fine :) now everybody is happy and i'll get something to eat :) brb
[07:57] <SloMoSnail> re
[07:59] <mbreit> wb
[08:01] <bddebian> wb SloMoSnail
[08:03] <SloMoSnail> hey bddebian :)
[08:03] <pef> SloMoSnail: I really have to go, will make the lasts changes tomorow morning :)
[08:04] <SloMoSnail> pef: no problem :) just send me a note when you've uploaded that version
[08:04] <pef> SloMoSnail: of course :)
[08:04] <mbreit> btw: pef, SloMoSnail: just a hint: md5sum ;)
[08:04] <pef> bye !
[08:04] <mbreit> oh, forget it ;)
[08:04] <SloMoSnail> mbreit: you're just blind ;P the orginal tarball was bz2... this one is exactly the same with gz ;)
[08:05] <mbreit> SloMoSnail: yes, that was my problem ;)
[08:05] <mbreit> SloMoSnail: but anyway different packages
[08:06] <SloMoSnail> mbreit: i ran diff over them and they were the same
[08:07] <mbreit> but if i unzip them both, they have different md5sum
[08:07] <mbreit> so the tarballs are not the same
[08:07] <mbreit> maybe just repackaged..
[08:08] <SloMoSnail> maybe... well i haven't tested that... i unpacked them completly and ran diff over the resulting directories
[08:08] <SloMoSnail> imho no problem
[08:19] <sistpoty> <- in method getFood() : undefined reference to fridge...
[08:19] <sistpoty> cya later
[08:39] <SloMoSnail> wahh... missed Mez :/
[08:46] <bddebian> SloMoSnail: There he is :-)
[08:48] <SloMoSnail> ...and there he goes...
[08:48] <bddebian> hehe
[10:33] <danb> Is it too late for sane 1.0.16 to get into breezy?
[10:34] <ajmitch> libsane is in main, the cli tools are in universe
[10:34] <ajmitch> so you'd need to convince mdz/Kamion about libsane
[10:35] <danb> ajmitch: what version of libsane is in breezy now?
[10:36] <danb> 1.0.15 or 1.0.15cvs?
[10:38] <ajmitch> the package version is 1.0.15-9ubuntu5, so I'd need to loko at the changelog to see if patches have been grabbed from cvs for it
[10:38] <danb> ajmitch: so you don't think its too late to get 1.0.16 in then?
[10:39] <ajmitch> maybe not, but you'd have to justify breaking the freeze for it
[10:41] <danb> ajmitch: Could I upgrade just that package in Hoary, or would I have to update all of KDE to breezy just to get a new libsane?
[10:42] <ajmitch> I wouldn't know
[10:42] <danb> In fact I'm running KDE 3.4.2 ontop of kubuntu, if that helps?
[10:42] <ajmitch> you'd have to look at the dependencies
[10:42] <danb> aj: you running breezy?
[10:43] <ajmitch> yes
[10:43] <danb> how (un)stable is it now?
[10:43] <danb> is it useable yet?
[10:45] <ajmitch> quite usable
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2005-08-15-#ubuntu-kernel
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[08:24] <Mithrandir> dilinger: I'm sure we could find hosting for it in Debian too.
[02:30] <zul> i could of sworn i logged off last night
[05:00] <jbailey> Is debclean supposed to work in the kernel package?
[05:01] <jbailey> Or do you guys just purge and build from the checkout each time?
[05:02] <jbailey> Oh, 00list fun
[07:05] <jbailey> fabbione: Are you back now?
[07:05] <fabbione> not till next monday :)
[07:05] <jbailey> Ah. =)
[07:05] <jbailey> I just uploaded a new kernel-package and linux-source-2.6.12
[07:06] <jbailey> I didn't manage to sync up on getting the stuff into baz, so mostly a heads-up on that.
[07:06] <fabbione> jbailey. hmmmm
[07:06] <fabbione> i don't like uploads without RCS in sync...
[07:07] <jbailey> fabbione: Got 2 minutes to help me with it?
[07:07] <fabbione> but i am happy if you did the right upload :)
[07:08] <jbailey> Appears to be right. 00list.* updated, abi directory changed, control.stub and control updated
[07:08] <fabbione> jbailey: seems about right...
[07:09] <fabbione> i didn't check the package.. just reading your stuff..
[07:11] <fabbione> jbailey: i am sure you did test a build... right?
[07:12] <jbailey> Just a short one to make sure that everything unpack and such correctly.
[07:12] <fabbione> ok
[07:13] <jbailey> fabbione: It appears to have built on i386 and ppc. The segfault on amd64 isn't my doing. =)
[07:13] <fabbione> humm we already had pre6.9 in baz....
[07:13] <fabbione> amd64 segfault???
[07:14] <jbailey> Installing X
[07:14] <fabbione> AH ok
[07:14] <fabbione> ENOCARE..
[07:14] <jbailey> Like I said, not my fault. =)
[07:14] <fabbione> that's dpkg issue afaik
[07:19] <fabbione> i guess i will do the baz dance tomorrow morning when i wake up
[07:19] <fabbione> 6.9 is still not on my local mirror
[07:23] <jbailey> Nor mine.
[07:23] <jbailey> Thanks, dude. How's holidays?
[07:23] <fabbione> we almost finished to do the garden room..
[07:24] <fabbione> i need to lay the new floor
[07:24] <fabbione> that will happen either during the weekend or sometimes next week
[07:24] <fabbione> but it has been pretty hard
[07:24] <fabbione> + work
[07:24] <jbailey> Got pictures?
[07:24] <fabbione> yeah,, they are still in the camera tho
[07:25] <fabbione> i will put stuff in order later on :)
[07:25] <fabbione> i had not a single day to relax and enjoy my holidays :(
[07:45] <jbailey> 6.9 is now on the canadian mirror, I guess the games begin now. =)
[07:48] <fabbione> nah i have a local mirror
[07:48] <jbailey> Oh, I mean in general.
[07:48] <fabbione> i am not using archive or anything..
[07:49] <jbailey> That it's actually propagating.
[07:49] <fabbione> eheh
[07:51] <jbailey> Mithrandir: If not, it should be as easy as adding another driver.
[08:55] <zul> heylo
[09:13] <Mithrandir> hi fabio
[09:13] <Mithrandir> jbailey: humm?
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2005-08-15-#ubuntu-doc
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[03:47] <Madpilot> anyone here?
[03:48] <HrdwrBoB> vaguely
[03:48] <Madpilot> that's about how I'm here, too... ;)
[06:36] <Burgundavia> hello
[06:36] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: hi
[06:36] <Burgundavia> did you see the draft I threw up
[06:36] <Burgundavia> very rough
[06:36] <jsgotangco> let me check
[06:37] <jsgotangco> svn?
[06:37] <Burgundavia> no wiki
[06:37] <jsgotangco> ahh right
[06:37] <Madpilot> the draft quickguide? looks OK
[06:37] <jsgotangco> QuickTour?
[06:38] <Burgundavia> yes
[06:38] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: check RecentChanges, I added a bunch of search-engine-bait pages to Restricted
[06:39] <Burgundavia> cool
[06:39] <Burgundavia> thanks
[06:39] <Burgundavia> make rm a disambig
[06:39] <jsgotangco> hehe I LIKE IT
[06:40] <jsgotangco> marketing types will be happy with it
[06:41] <Madpilot> it's a good brochure page
[09:16] <Madpilot> anyone awake over here?
[09:16] <jsgotangco> zzz
[09:17] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:17] <jsgotangco> you can always holler Burgundavia he rarely sleeps
[09:18] <Burgundavia> hey
[09:19] <Burgundavia> check out quicktour right now
[09:19] <highvoltage> hi Madpilot.
[09:19] <highvoltage> i got up very early this morning.
[09:20] <jsgotangco> QuickTourDraft?
[09:20] <Madpilot> it's what, 0500 in South Africa? 0600?
[09:20] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, yes
[09:20] <highvoltage> it's 09:20 now.
[09:20] <highvoltage> i woke up at 4:25
[09:21] <highvoltage> which is about 5 hours ago :)
[09:21] <highvoltage> feels like it's time for lunch already...
[09:21] <Madpilot> hmm, I'd thought RSA was behind Zulu/UTM. nevermind!
[09:21] <highvoltage> nope, GMT+2. we're with the germans :)
[09:22] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: you can probably ask mpt's opinion on they layout
[09:22] <jsgotangco> it looks like a chessboard to me
[09:23] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:23] <Burgundavia> hopefully I can tweak it to be better spaced
[09:23] <Madpilot> it's ironic that you have to go back to table-layout hacks in wikis - no nice CSS layouts there!
[09:23] <Madpilot> how very 1990s...
[09:23] <jsgotangco> if its possible to simulate a mediawiki style picture box/caption, it could probably work
[09:23] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, I cannot see on this page how he turn off the border --> http://linuxguy.biz/screenshots.html
[09:24] <jsgotangco> although it would entail very serious css/xslt play on the source
[09:24] <jsgotangco> if its bound to be sourced anyways
[09:24] <Burgundavia> I am almost created this page as a subpage of my wikipedia user page
[09:24] <Burgundavia> s/am almost/almost
[09:25] <jsgotangco> since docbook is not presentation-centic as a format
[09:25] <Madpilot> "border=0" works on both CSS & tables.
[09:25] <Madpilot> but I haven't looked at the source of either page
[09:26] <Burgundavia> gah
[09:26] <Burgundavia> leave it as is
[09:26] <jsgotangco> i would suggest adding power tools/usage though
[09:26] <Burgundavia> I need to mention the services and about me
[09:26] <Burgundavia> and then play with the order
[09:27] <jsgotangco> the power stuff should be at the end
[09:27] <highvoltage> Madpilot: the table hacks on wikis suck :(
[09:27] <jsgotangco> the showstoppers at the top
[09:27] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:27] <Burgundavia> I am going to move the laptop support stuff to the top
[09:27] <Burgundavia> or near it, I should say
[09:27] <jsgotangco> yep
[09:27] <jsgotangco> hmm
[09:28] <jsgotangco> is beagle to be included?
[09:28] <Burgundavia> no idea yet
[09:28] <jsgotangco> last i heard it was in danger of being not included
[09:28] <Burgundavia> it is
[09:28] <Burgundavia> should I mention menu-editing?
[09:28] <jsgotangco> nasty deps?
[09:28] <Burgundavia> no, not mature enough
[09:28] <jsgotangco> hmm
[09:28] <jsgotangco> smeg is ubuntu-specific so yeah why not
[09:29] <Burgundavia> ok
[09:29] <jsgotangco> should give credit to Amaranth for that
[09:29] <jsgotangco> he worked so hard for that app
[09:30] <Madpilot> http://linuxguy.biz/screenshots.html <-- this is an odd mix of tables & CSS
[09:30] <Burgundavia> it looks good
[09:30] <Burgundavia> the tables should probably be divs
[09:30] <Madpilot> he floats the images, but uses table cells to enforce the rest of the layout
[09:30] <jsgotangco> it works though
[09:30] <Madpilot> yeah, it does work. Pure CSS would be a bit better, but I'm a purist... :)
[09:31] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: its also a good idea to have different image sizes, although all of them should be a rectangle
[09:31] <Burgundavia> probably
[09:33] <jsgotangco> hmmm does A9 toolbar look evil to you?
[09:33] <Burgundavia> a9?
[09:34] <jsgotangco> the amazon search engine
[09:34] <jsgotangco> i like it because i can show a wikipedia result at the same time
[09:34] <jsgotangco> nice sample of AJAX cleverness
[09:34] <Burgundavia> my bloody left mouse button is dying
[09:35] <Madpilot> switch to a left-handed mouse layout, then left button = right button, therefore used slightly less!
[09:35] <Burgundavia> right, I mean left
[09:35] <Burgundavia> ;)
[09:36] <Madpilot> then get a job, so you can buy a new mouse...
[09:36] <Burgundavia> ouch
[09:36] <Burgundavia> we have from the 25th of august to the 8th of sept to take all screenshots
[09:36] <jsgotangco> yes
[09:36] <jsgotangco> pressure mounts
[09:37] <Burgundavia> and one month to finish writing
[09:37] <Madpilot> that's going to be a busy week...
[09:37] <jsgotangco> we are very much behind
[09:37] <Burgundavia> don't think so
[09:37] <jsgotangco> well ok im very much behind on cookbook
[09:37] <Burgundavia> well, you did just start
[09:37] <jsgotangco> i dont think userguide is shippable
[09:37] <Burgundavia> nope
[09:38] <Burgundavia> any kde stuff shippable?
[09:38] <Burgundavia> the faqguide is
[09:38] <jsgotangco> so we end up with quicktour and faqguide
[09:38] <Burgundavia> then we ship the faqguide as default yelp homepage
[09:38] <Madpilot> how do you upload a pic to the U wiki? I want to stick a terminal window screenie in BasicCommands
[09:38] <Burgundavia> more actions drop down
[09:38] <jsgotangco> kde no idea it seemed to have lost steam when i turned over kubuntu quickguide
[09:39] <Burgundavia> and froud vanished into thin air
[09:39] <Burgundavia> although he is writing a book about ubuntu
[09:39] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: "More Actions - Attachments"?
[09:39] <jsgotangco> but i think quick tour and faqguide are good enough
[09:39] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, yes
[09:39] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, yes
[09:40] <Madpilot> thanks. now I need to reset my desktop to default for the screenshot...
[09:40] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, xnest
[09:40] <Madpilot> x-what?
[09:40] <Burgundavia> install xnest
[09:40] <Burgundavia> then create another user
[09:41] <Burgundavia> and login with them in xnest
[09:41] <jsgotangco> in a deeper thought, the next focus is harness existing docs and have them seen approriately instead of writing more docs
[09:41] <Burgundavia> to be honest, after people graduate fromt eh faq, they are likely to know how to google
[09:41] <Madpilot> gack. easier just to switch Gnome's themes briefly! interesting thought, tho
[09:41] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: right
[09:41] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, if you are going to be taking more screenshots, it is worth it
[09:42] <jsgotangco> its quite easy but can take time
[09:42] <Madpilot> just one terminal one right now... xnest can wait
[09:43] <Burgundavia> Microsoft buys in Wal-Mart talent <-- that sums up the current state of MS right there
[09:44] <Burgundavia> The Ubuntu Express installer that is being developed (and hopefully will
[09:44] <Burgundavia> be the default Breezy installer) includes such functionality.
[09:44] <Burgundavia> Ubuntu and any derived distro will be able to define a collection of
[09:44] <Burgundavia> images to be shown during the 15 minutes (aprox) of installation. This
[09:44] <Burgundavia> can be a combination of a GNOME tour (KDE tour for Kubuntu) plus
[09:44] <Burgundavia> highlights of the main applications that are being installed.
[09:44] <Burgundavia> sorry for the flood
[09:45] <Burgundavia> we need to plan for this
[09:45] <jsgotangco> ojeda's email?
[09:45] <jsgotangco> oh installer
[09:45] <Burgundavia> to ubuntu-devel from Quim gil
[09:46] <Madpilot> XP does something similar, doesn't it?
[09:46] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:46] <Madpilot> last time we installed XP, I seem to recall we went out for beer while it was grinding away...
[09:46] <Burgundavia> do we want that stuff to be the quick tour?
[09:46] <Burgundavia> that is about 15 minutes of stuff I have
[09:47] <Burgundavia> 45 secs each
[09:48] <Burgundavia> mentioned our effort in that thread
[09:48] <jsgotangco> i think its only applicable in an installer guide instead of a quick tour
[09:49] <Burgundavia> our quick tour?
[09:49] <jsgotangco> yeah
[09:49] <Burgundavia> not really
[09:49] <Burgundavia> makes a good marketing webpage as well
[09:49] <Burgundavia> ala the davyd thing and that other one
[09:49] <jsgotangco> but your quicktour can only bee seen once installed
[09:50] <jsgotangco> unless you publish it on a page
[09:50] <jsgotangco> or a pdf
[09:50] <Burgundavia> I intend to
[09:50] <jsgotangco> its useful in a brochure though
[09:50] <Burgundavia> and each distinct section could go in that installer
[09:50] <Burgundavia> not perfect, but good enough for breezy
[09:51] <jsgotangco> would it be nice on 1st boot the quick tour opens
[09:51] <Burgundavia> that would be nice
[09:51] <Burgundavia> maybe hack the upgrader to show the same thing?
[09:52] <jsgotangco> good idea i totally forgot about upgrade paths
[09:52] <Burgundavia> don't know if it is doable at this late stage
[09:52] <Madpilot> which Help page has the images stuff?
[09:52] <Burgundavia> attachment:YourImage.png
[09:53] <Burgundavia> that adds it
[09:53] <Burgundavia> images are specific to one page, unlike mediawiki
[09:53] <Madpilot> got that - what about formatting and stuff? float:right;border:0 and all that?
[09:53] <Burgundavia> HelpOnTables
[09:54] <Madpilot> thanks
[09:58] <Madpilot> dog, what a *hack* wiki markup is. can't we just use normal XHTML/CSS tags? please?
[09:58] <Burgundavia> mediawiki markup is quite nice
[09:58] <jsgotangco> yes
[09:58] <Madpilot> I'd be done this image insertion already if I could use real markup!
[09:58] <jsgotangco> although moin can be simpler
[09:58] <Burgundavia> much less hacky
[09:59] <Madpilot> is the only way to float:right with an image to stick it into a table?
[09:59] <jsgotangco> you can probably go back to zwiki hell though
[09:59] <Madpilot> I can't see how I associate the attachment:image bit with actual markup...
[09:59] <Burgundavia> no idea
[09:59] <Burgundavia> you need to wrap the attachment in a table
[09:59] <Burgundavia> and then style that
[09:59] <Madpilot> you're kidding? what a horrible hack
[10:00] <jsgotangco> its the wikiwiki way
[10:00] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:00] <Burgundavia> no, it is the moin way
[10:00] <jsgotangco> oh right
[10:00] <jsgotangco> mediawiki has nicer image sytling
[10:00] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, speak of the devil, sean returns
[10:00] <jsgotangco> styling
[10:00] <jsgotangco> wa?
[10:01] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, check you inbox
[10:01] <Madpilot> bah. styling later. there's a screenshot here now: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands
[10:01] <jsgotangco> he's fixing the userguide
[10:01] <jsgotangco> kde userguide
[10:08] <Burgundavia> hey
[10:08] <jdub> ahr
[10:08] <jsgotangco> aye
[10:08] <jdub> dudes, i am excited :)
[10:08] <jdub> this is so much what the quickguide should be :-)
[10:08] <jsgotangco> desktop showstoppers
[10:09] <jsgotangco> yeah total rewrite
[10:09] <Burgundavia> the idea had been percolating through my head since we talked jdub
[10:10] <jsgotangco> i got convinced further when Burgundavia showed me the linuxguy.biz link
[10:10] <Burgundavia> I was lucky that jsgotangco bought into the idea
[10:10] <jdub> who is linuxguy.biz?
[10:11] <Burgundavia> http://linuxguy.biz/screenshots.html
[10:11] <Burgundavia> he sells ubuntu to non-techies
[10:11] <Burgundavia> our parents, sisters, brothers, etc.
[10:11] <jdub> yeah, 'cos that page is rad
[10:11] <jdub> so for the tour, "intuitive interface" is a bit too generic
[10:11] <Burgundavia> I would buy ubuntu if I saw that page
[10:12] <jdub> perhaps it would be good to split up the tour into two parts
[10:12] <Burgundavia> "clear menus"
[10:12] <jdub> 1. general ubuntu benefits (probably ongoing)
[10:12] <Burgundavia> ubuntu in general and new in breezy?
[10:12] <jsgotangco> basic/advanced?
[10:12] <jdub> 2. new release benefits (changing with each release)
[10:12] <Burgundavia> ok
[10:13] <jdub> so 1. would include "easy software update"
[10:13] <Burgundavia> it sort of is, but I haven't really fleshed that out
[10:13] <jsgotangco> 2. can also serve as a changelog / whats new page?
[10:13] <Madpilot> Hmmm. General Ubuntu Benefits: 1. Free. 2. Free. 3. Have we mentioned that it's Free? ;)
[10:13] <Madpilot> sorry, I'll go back to Minesweeper now...
[10:13] <jdub> Madpilot: yes, the "ubuntu commitment" could be one whole page
[10:14] <jdub> and that's definitely ubuntu-benefit-ongoing :-)
[10:14] <jdub> Burgundavia: perhaps writing out the list of benefits would be a good start
[10:14] <jdub> just as simple bullet points
[10:15] <jsgotangco> hmm lycoris did something similar like this before
[10:15] <jdub> we could start with BreezyGoals
[10:16] <jdub> - edubuntu -> not really an ubuntu user benefit
[10:16] <jsgotangco> yeah
[10:16] <jsgotangco> Bluetooth support
[10:16] <jdub> + laptopmission -> "ubuntu works great on your laptop hardware!"
[10:17] <jdub> - oeminstaller -> not really an ubuntu user benefit
[10:17] <jdub> + thinclientintegration -> "run thin clients out of the box! <see documentation>"
[10:17] <Burgundavia> added to the list of Todo
[10:17] <Burgundavia> further stuff?
[10:17] <Burgundavia> jdub, I had thought of moving the latop stuff to a prominent section
[10:17] <Burgundavia> but am unsure about features that might not make it (nm and gnome-power)
[10:18] <jdub> +/- launchpadintegration -> hrm, could be pimped as user benefit, contribute to ubuntu, etc
[10:18] <jdub> + audiocdburning -> serpentine is a good feature in general
[10:18] <jdub> - audioinfrastructure -> not really a user benefit ("huh? sound works? well, ah, great... i guess")
[10:18] <Burgundavia> might be worth a one liner
[10:19] <jdub> + bluetoothsupport -> ubuntu talks to your phone
[10:19] <jdub> Burgundavia: not really, it rarely pays to talk about expectations as benefits ;)
[10:19] <Burgundavia> is that going to make it?
[10:19] <jdub> dunno
[10:19] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:20] <Burgundavia> I am in a bind, because of the stuff that might not make it
[10:20] <jdub> yeah
[10:20] <jdub> work with janew on that
[10:20] <jsgotangco> hmm
[10:20] <jdub> will be good for pressure ;)
[10:20] <jdub> anyway, so goals page is a good place to start for 2nd group stuff
[10:20] <jdub> the new gnome features can also be helpful
[10:21] <jdub> improved file management is a good one from 2.12
[10:21] <Burgundavia> I cribbed quite heavily from davyds excellent stuff
[10:21] <Burgundavia> gnome should promote his work more
[10:21] <jdub> quite a few of linuxguy ones fit into the 1st group
[10:21] <jdub> for instance, gaim should always be in there as a user benefit
[10:22] <jdub> "talk to ALL your friends in one easy to use interface"
[10:22] <Burgundavia> ok
[10:22] <jdub> OOo is a good one
[10:22] <Burgundavia> already there
[10:22] <jdub> a page about GNOME in general
[10:22] <Burgundavia> "the power of gnome"?
[10:22] <jdub> good ones already about software management and installation
[10:23] <jdub> Burgundavia: perhaps push the usability, accessibility and i18n benefits
[10:23] <Burgundavia> glad niran didn't go awol on that
[10:23] <jsgotangco> automatic updateds and stuff
[10:23] <jsgotangco> hmm
[10:23] <Burgundavia> "built on the highly usable and powerful Gnome desktop?"
[10:23] <jsgotangco> mednu editing?
[10:23] <Burgundavia> s/?"/'?
[10:23] <jdub> also flagging some of these things as available for windows *right off the live cd* would be cool
[10:23] <jdub> Burgundavia: powerful doesn't mean anything, easier not to say it :)
[10:24] <jdub> see www.gnome.org/about/
[10:24] <jdub> jsgotangco: hard to sell expectation as a benefit :)
[10:25] <Burgundavia> for LanguagePackRoadmap, there is a gui tool now, no?
[10:25] <jdub> yeah
[10:25] <jdub> haven't seen it yet though
[10:25] <jdub> oh, here we go
[10:25] <jdub> oof
[10:25] <jdub> ouch
[10:26] <Burgundavia> pda, soundevents and printing went nowhere?
[10:26] <jdub> have you been in touch with linuxguy?
[10:27] <Burgundavia> nope
[10:27] <jdub> ok
[10:27] <jdub> emailing now
[10:28] <Burgundavia> what about?
[10:28] <jdub> hi, love your page, want to help out in ubuntu/gnome?
[10:28] <Burgundavia> ah
[10:29] <Burgundavia> jdub, language-selector is already there
[10:29] <jdub> yeah, i just looked at it (oof, ouch above)
[10:32] <jsgotangco> hmm what about photoalbums and stuff
[10:32] <jsgotangco> like plugging in a digicam
[10:33] <jdub> jsgotangco: a 'just works' hardware angle?
[10:33] <jsgotangco> yeah
[10:33] <jsgotangco> usb sticks, wlan sticks, etc
[10:34] <Burgundavia> is mono a feature?
[10:34] <Burgundavia> oo2?
[10:34] <Burgundavia> sure
[10:34] <jdub> OOo is, in general -> "complete office suite, compatible with common document formats"
[10:34] <jdub> mono isn't, really
[10:34] <jsgotangco> powe user/developer benefits?
[10:35] <jdub> jsgotangco: probably best to avoid those, unless they're deeply, deeply cool
[10:35] <Burgundavia> has SystemUpgradeTool gone anywhere?
[10:36] <jsgotangco> these are mostly desktop showcases at the moment
[10:38] <Burgundavia> I have added our notes to the ToDo section at the bottom
[10:40] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, ironically, there is a thread on -devel about dropping the workspace switcher
[10:40] <Madpilot> you mean the virtual desktop thingie?
[10:40] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:41] <HrdwrBoB> I used to use workspaces - I now use windowshade mode more
[10:41] <Burgundavia> just for the default desktop, you can still add it after
[10:41] <Madpilot> coolest new computer trick going, IMO, and they're going to drop it?
[10:41] <HrdwrBoB> Burgundavia: I think that's a good idea
[10:41] <Madpilot> ah, OK, provided it's still available to switch on...
[10:41] <Burgundavia> there are some discoverablity issues
[10:41] <Burgundavia> and generaly usablity "where has my program gone" ones
[10:41] <Madpilot> "discoverability" means "what the heck is this?"
[10:41] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:42] <HrdwrBoB> but I have some odd views.. like home as desktop :)
[10:42] <Madpilot> yeah, I can see that. I still like it, tho
[10:42] <Madpilot> HrdwrBoB: we've argued about that already tonight...
[10:42] <Madpilot> ;)
[10:42] <HrdwrBoB> yeah :P
[10:43] <HrdwrBoB> see http://evolvedoo.sourceforge.net/abstract/#2 for another take on it
[10:44] <Madpilot> interesting - I'm still not convinced that it needs doing...
[10:45] <HrdwrBoB> it doesn't NEED doing - it's just my opinion that it's better (in that it Makes More Sense) but eh
[10:45] <HrdwrBoB> of more interesting note is that if you mouse over an mp3, it starts previewing and when you delete it with the delete key it keeps playing
[10:46] <Madpilot> now that's an entertaining bug... heh
[10:46] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, jdub I have to crash. Feel free to add more stuff to the todo/ the page itself or fire an email to the list.
[10:46] <jsgotangco> ok
[10:46] <jsgotangco> see you later
[10:55] <jsgotangco> brb
[11:35] <jsgotangco> mdke: awake?
[11:35] <mdke> yes :)
[11:35] <mdke> morning
[11:36] <jsgotangco> you've been quiet lately :)
[11:36] <jsgotangco> its unnatural
[11:37] <mdke> jsgotangco, as I said, I'm at the computer less so I'm quieter on irc
[11:37] <mdke> but I'm still checking it and emails
[11:39] <mdke> is there a meeting tomorrow?
[11:39] <jsgotangco> gf still around?
[11:39] <mdke> jsgotangco, yes
[11:39] <mdke> we're both looking for jobs
[11:39] <jsgotangco> oh god i totally forgot about it
[11:39] <mdke> and I'm looking for a house
[11:39] <mdke> hence the quiet :)
[11:41] <jsgotangco> what you think of the new direction of Quick Tour?
[11:42] <mdke> i think it will be a good document
[11:42] <mdke> i don't see why it should replace the quickguide
[11:42] <mdke> it's totally different
[11:42] <mdke> why not make them both?
[11:43] <jsgotangco> time
[11:44] <mdke> but the quickguide is already done no?
[11:44] <jsgotangco> needs thorough editing though
[11:45] <mdke> ah
[11:45] <mdke> what about the relationship between quick tour and about ubuntu?
[11:45] <mdke> the former is to some extent a subset of the latter
[11:46] <jsgotangco> if you scrollback it can probably be included in benefit 3
[11:47] <mdke> what is that?
[11:54] <mdke> brb
[12:25] <jsgotangco> night
[04:05] <mgalvin> hi all
[04:08] <mpt> hello mgalvin
[04:08] <mgalvin> hey mpt
[04:09] <mdke> hiya
[04:10] <mdke> mgalvin, did you get anywhere with packaging ubuntu-doc?
[04:12] <mgalvin> mdke: hi, i looked at it quickly a while ago and saw that some work was done on it, i didn't get a chance to build a working package... if we need/are ready for one i can jump back into it and get it built
[04:13] <mdke> i dunno if we are ready for one now, but I was just wondering about it
[04:14] <mdke> we have some time between string freeze and release so it can be sorted out then probably
[04:14] <mdke> we need to consider l10n too
[04:15] <mgalvin> ok, i will take a look at it again soon anyway so that when we need it, it will be ready
[04:28] <jjesse> morning
[04:29] <mgalvin> morning jjesse
[04:29] <jjesse> is it afternoon for you? :)
[04:29] <mgalvin> 10:30am here in NY :)
[04:30] <jjesse> same for here in mi
[04:30] <jjesse> i never remember what time zones people are in
[04:31] <mgalvin> wow, two people in the same time zone, who would have thought (for this team anyway ;)
[04:31] <jjesse> grin especially a US time zone
[11:44] <Burgundavia> ouch, openoffice, X and bunch of smaller stuff. 160mb to download
[11:56] <cat> hey does ubunto have a handbook like fbsd?
[11:56] <Burgundavia> what sort of handbook?
[11:56] <cat> well ubuntus
[11:57] <Burgundavia> targeted at what audience?
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[12:03] <ogra> mem ?
[12:03] <ogra> should work
[12:03] <Burgundavia> ogra, what soc thing are you mentoring?
[12:03] <Mez> I need a linux distro that'll run on this
[12:03] <Mez> http://www.dsl-ltd.co.uk/products/6070spec.htm
[12:03] <ogra> Burgundavia, the above :)
[12:04] <Burgundavia> ogra, ubuntu-lite?
[12:05] <ogra> Burgundavia, and graphical config tools... which is a bit odd for a bounty since all thing listed on the spec are already done fine upstream.... so the SoC student had not many options... but he made the best out of it :)
[12:05] <ogra> Burgundavia, yep
[12:05] <Burgundavia> ogra, yes. I was wondering the same thing. But the ndisgui thing is worth it
[12:07] <ogra> you already saw it ?
[12:07] <Burgundavia> yes
[12:07] <Burgundavia> poofyhairgui on the forums found it and posted it about it
[12:08] <ogra> heh
[12:08] <ogra> it'll be in universe soon ...
[12:08] <Burgundavia> you can even download debs for it
[12:08] <ogra> i know
[12:08] <ogra> i reviewed them
[12:09] <Kamion> daniels: please make xserver-xorg stop prompting me for questions in triplicate every time I upgrade it
[12:10] <Kamion> lamont: libgl1-xorg-dev should be happier now
[12:12] <Nafallo> users want to add breezy to install valknut :-P
[12:13] <Nafallo> I'm trying to explain to them why it is a bad idea ;-)
[12:15] <Mez> ogra: got any link for the ubuntu light project
[12:17] <ogra> currently not... im on a thin clinet here
[12:17] <ogra> but something like www.ubuntulite.org ...
[12:17] <Burgundavia> gah
[12:18] <paolo> Burgundavia, which SoC project is it?
[12:18] <Burgundavia> paolo, which one?
[12:18] <paolo> Burgundavia, the one you were talking about some lines ago.
[12:18] <Burgundavia> paolo, ubuntu lite is LIghtweightDesktop or something
[12:18] <Burgundavia> GraphicalConfigTools
[12:19] <ogra> Mez, http://ubuntulite.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[12:20] <Burgundavia> ogra, any idea why most of the ubuntulite project has been done outside the official channels?
[12:20] <paolo> Nice :-) I'm a SoC-er too (but not for ubuntu)
[12:20] <ogra> Burgundavia, because they were already existent and nearly done with their version 1 wher the SoC started
[12:21] <Burgundavia> ah
[12:21] <Burgundavia> paolo, what are you doing?
[12:21] <paolo> Burgundavia, Haskell bindings for Cairo, and integration in the Haskell Gtk+ bindings <http://haskell.org/gtk2hs/>
[12:21] <Burgundavia> hmm
[12:23] <ajmitch> ogra: it'd be nice to see these people working in the existing development community
[12:23] <ogra> ajmitch, yes... but you cant force people
[12:24] <ajmitch> I know
[12:24] <ajmitch> ogra: and I guess you tried recruiting them as MOTUs :)
[12:25] <ogra> heh.... after they finished their projects... let them focus on their work now ;)
[12:25] <Burgundavia> I think that people see Ubuntu has this giant monlithic entitiy
[12:25] <Burgundavia> and they think it is hard to get involved
[12:25] <HrdwrBoB> Burgundavia: but they see it as that because it works
[12:26] <Burgundavia> I spend a lot of words/time on the forums telling people to join the official efforts (motu, doc team, etc.)
[12:26] <HrdwrBoB> a whole lot of software that generally works well and together appears every six months
[12:26] <ajmitch> they see the developers as far above the ordinary users?
[12:27] <Burgundavia> yes
[12:27] <Burgundavia> and Ubuntu is one of the easiest distros to get involved in
[12:27] <ajmitch> I'd say
[12:27] <ogra> thats because we have a split community.... forum people vs. mailing list people
[12:28] <Burgundavia> most developers rarely read the forums
[12:28] <HrdwrBoB> I rarely read either
[12:28] <ogra> and i dont know any devs that do it
[12:28] <Burgundavia> if you took all my posts on the forums, probably over half are "file a bug, devs won't read it here"
[12:28] <tseng> if it wasnt for you, the bug would sit there forever
[12:29] <azeem> the forums need to be more bidirectionally gated, to unite the communities
[12:29] <paolo> Do you know which xorg packages defines "string literal" colors (if any) ?
[12:29] <tseng> and people would get bitter because no one cared about their "bug report"
[12:29] <ogra> azeem, they are
[12:29] <Burgundavia> there is talk about extending launchpad login to the forums
[12:29] <Burgundavia> but they use non-free software
[12:30] <Lathiat> heh
[12:30] <tseng> the current forums seems to want me to sign up every time i click my mouse
[12:32] <pitti> seb128: still here?
[12:33] <seb128> yep
[12:33] <pitti> seb128: I pinpointed the bug on amd64, but it's nontrivial to solve
[12:33] <pitti> seb128: is there any gdk function to determine the work area?
[12:33] <seb128> oh, what is it?
[12:34] <pitti> seb128: i. e. the screen size minus panels etc.
[12:34] <pitti> seb128: it calls XGetWindowProperty to determine the desktop work area size
[12:35] <pitti> seb128: on i386 this returns 32 bit ints, on amd64 it returns 64 bit numbers
[12:35] <pitti> (in an array)
[12:35] <pitti> so the coordinates are totally off on amd64 and you can't see the window
[12:35] <seb128> there is no gdk function for that afaik
[12:35] <pitti> but instead of brutally fixing that, I'd rather use a gdk function to determine the desktop size
[12:35] <pitti> seb128: darn
[12:36] <pitti> seb128: it almost seems that XGetWindowProperty has a bug...
[12:37] <seb128> nautilus seems to do
[12:37] <seb128> XGetWindowProperty (display, RootWindow (display, screen_num),
[12:37] <seb128> XInternAtom (display, "ESETROOT_PMAP_ID", False),
[12:37] <seb128> 0L, 1L, False, XA_PIXMAP,
[12:37] <seb128> &type, &format, &nitems, &bytes_after,
[12:37] <seb128> &data_esetroot);
[12:37] <pitti> and I would feel bad if I just worked around that
[12:37] <paolo> I think the problem is that xorg misses some packages other than the ones listed in the mail pitti pointed me before.
[12:37] <seb128> retval = XGetWindowProperty (GDK_DISPLAY (), GDK_ROOT_WINDOW (),
[12:37] <seb128> window_id_atom, 0, 1, False, XA_WINDOW,
[12:37] <seb128> &actual_type, &actual_format, &nitems,
[12:37] <seb128> &bytes_after, &data);
[12:37] <pitti> int result = XGetWindowProperty(GDK_DISPLAY(), win, workarea, 0,
[12:37] <pitti> max_len, False, AnyPropertyType,
[12:37] <pitti> &type, &format, &num,
[12:37] <pitti> &leftovers, &ret_workarea);
[12:38] <pitti> seb128: format is 32 on amd64, although it returns 64 bit ints
[12:38] <pitti> so
[12:38] <paolo> Could you tell me in which package is "showrgb" ?
[12:38] <pitti> guint32 *workareas = (guint32 *)ret_workarea;
[12:38] <pitti> rect.x = workareas[disp_screen * 4] ;
[12:38] <pitti> rect.y = workareas[disp_screen * 4 + 1] ;
[12:38] <pitti> breaks
[12:38] <ogra> why dont you use GDK_ROOT_WINDOW () instead ?
[12:39] <pitti> ogra: and determine its size?
[12:39] <ogra> yup
[12:39] <ogra> there are various others to use: http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.0/gdk/gdk-X-Window-System-Interaction.html
[12:41] <pitti> ogra: cool, do you know how to query the size?
[12:41] <ogra> nope, never did that....
[12:42] <pitti> this GetProperty thingy fails, so using it to determine the size of it leads to the same proble
[12:43] <paolo> Sob. In hoary showrgb is in xutils, but there isn't in breezy.
[12:46] <paolo> Seveas, do you know if there is an online search for this kind of things? Like "file -> package"
[12:47] <ogra> pitti, gdk_window_get_geometry ()
[12:47] <Kamion> paolo: http://packages.ubuntu.com/; but (a) it may be out of date and (b) showrgb is probably just missing at the moment, due to the in-progress xutils reorg
[12:47] <ogra> pitti, http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.0/gdk/gdk-Windows.html#gdk-window-get-geometry
[12:48] <paolo> Kamion, I was searching for that because of this error running emacs: 'Undefined color: "black"'. And #freedesktop guys told me that string literals are defined in some file belonging to showrgb or something.
[12:48] <pitti> ogra: doesn't fit, take a penalty card :-)
[12:49] <ogra> heh
[12:49] <pitti> ogra: that's only for gdk windows, not for X window IDs
[12:50] <ogra> and a GDK_ROOT_WINDOW () isnt a gdk window ?
[12:51] <pitti> no, an X window id
[12:52] <pitti> XGetWindowAttributes() - let's try that
[12:52] <ogra> yeah
[12:52] <ogra> hanst X a GetGeometry too ?
[12:52] <ogra> hasnt even
[12:54] <luis_> mjg59: whaaaaa
[12:54] <luis_> mjg59: I want my graphical boot now
[12:54] <mjg59> luis_: I'm hacking on it
[12:55] <mjg59> Stuff is being mean to me
[12:55] <Burgundavia> mjg59, are lappys expected to be shipped this week?
[12:55] <mjg59> Burgundavia: Yes
[12:55] <Burgundavia> ok
[12:55] <Lathiat> ooh nice
[12:56] <luis_> you're all getting new lappys?
[12:56] <Kamion> lamont: a give-back of nautilus/i386 once the buildd chroots have been repaired would be very much appreciated
[12:57] <Kamion> (it sorta breaks the world through out-of-date nautilus-data_all.deb
[12:57] <Kamion> )
[12:57] <lamont> Kamion: ok...
[12:59] <ogra> pitti, http://seth.positivism.org/man.cgi/3/XGetWAttr
[01:00] <pitti> ogra: that's what I'm trying right now :-)
[01:00] <ogra> :)
[01:02] <Makako> Zquit
[01:02] <Makako> Oops ;)
[01:03] <Burgundavia> mjg59, I have placated the ravaging hordes at the forums with the news that Usplash is being worked on
[01:03] <lamont> Kamion: pardon me while I rampage through all of main :0)(
[01:04] <mjg59> Burgundavia: Hurrah!
[01:04] <Kamion> lamont: fair enough :)
[01:05] <Nafallo> lol
[01:05] <ogra> mjg59, you could become ubuntu DPL (if we hadnt already a dictator) after finishing usplash... it will make you paparazzi-popular ;)
[01:06] <mjg59> Haha
[01:06] <Nafallo> hihihi
[01:06] <Burgundavia> I also got to include the whinging of luis_ in there too ;)
[01:06] <luis_> haha
[01:06] <ogra> lol
[01:06] <luis_> I'm not whinging, I'm trying to improve the livecd. ;)
[01:06] <tseng> what happens if i apt-get usplash atm?
[01:06] <luis_> <- master of subtle differences
[01:07] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: laptops soon? great, means I might see it in 2 months :)
[01:07] <ogra> tseng, you get a package installed ?
[01:07] <luis_> ogra: what does that package do? :)
[01:07] <tseng> ogra: good one.
[01:07] <Nafallo> ogra: naah, that's apt-get install :-)
[01:07] <ogra> tseng, err, actually you get an error :)
[01:07] <Burgundavia> I installed usplash
[01:07] <Nafallo> tseng: I belive it will tell you that usplash isn't a valid command :-)
[01:07] <tseng> meh
[01:08] <ogra> heh
[01:08] <tseng> you guys are tools
[01:08] <luis_> Burgundavia: and what did it do? :)
[01:08] <Nafallo> hehehe
[01:08] <mjg59> Burgundavia: Yeah, it might work soon
[01:08] <Burgundavia> after my hardware testing by kicking power cord out, nothing happened
[01:08] <ajmitch> that's a shame
[01:08] <ajmitch> power cord testing isn't the most reliable though
[01:09] <Burgundavia> no
[01:09] <Burgundavia> but the ext3 journal recovered fine
[01:09] <ajmitch> especially if you were installing something at the time
[01:09] <Burgundavia> it had finished installing, luckily
[01:10] <mjg59> Burgundavia: It won't do anything without initramfs
[01:10] <mjg59> (and at the moment that won't quite work properly - give me a few minutes and there'll be a new upload)
[01:10] <Burgundavia> ok
[01:10] <lamont> Total 5917 package(s) in state Installed.
[01:10] <lamont> Total 442 package(s) in state Needs-Build.
[01:11] <lamont> Kamion: ^^^ have a nice day
[01:11] <jbailey> lamont: You need a w-b state "B0rked"
[01:11] <ogra> heh
[01:12] <lamont> mind you, most of those 442 packages will fail again
[01:13] <pitti> ogra: darn, that works, but gives the complete root window, not the workspace
[01:13] <ogra> there must something similar for the workspace
[01:14] <ogra> sorry phone...
[01:16] <seb128> src/common/gst-package.c:64: undefined reference to `_'
[01:16] <seb128> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[01:16] <seb128> grumpf
[01:17] <pitti> hey, wait...
[01:17] <Lathiat> heh
[01:18] <pitti> YAY, YAY, YAY
[01:18] <seb128> pitti \o/
[01:18] <tseng> whats new pitti?
[01:18] <sladen> ajmitch: I'm expecting to pick one up tomorrow
[01:18] <pitti> seb128: how stupid...
[01:19] <pitti> "If the returned format is 32, the returned data is represented
[01:19] <pitti> as a long array"
[01:19] <pitti> seb128: i. e. even if format is 32, I have to use a long (64 bit)
[01:19] <pitti> so if that is the spec, fine :-)
[01:20] <seb128> pitti: why does it return 32 if the format is 64 ?!
[01:21] <pitti> seb128: other way round
[01:21] <pitti> ask the X authors
[01:21] <seb128> bah
[01:21] <seb128> kick daniels? :)
[01:22] <ajmitch> sladen: living in NZ has it's disadvantages
[01:39] <HrdwrBoB> tell me, is there any reason why the gnome weather applet can't get the location from the timezone as a default
[01:39] <seb128> it does
[01:40] <HrdwrBoB> since recently?
[01:40] <nickrud> Is there a way to see if a package is in the build queue?
[01:40] <HrdwrBoB> it's defaulted to pennsylvania always for me
[01:40] <HrdwrBoB> which is a long way from melbourne
[01:40] <seb128> what locale do you use?
[01:40] <seb128> maybe it uses the locale
[01:40] <HrdwrBoB> en_AU
[01:41] <HrdwrBoB> the timezone is a bit more specific though
[01:41] <luis_> yes, because weather here in boston is just like the weather in miami!
[01:41] <luis_> if it should try to guess at all, it should be from the address in about me
[01:42] <HrdwrBoB> still in the right continent though
[01:42] <luis_> guessing from timezone is basically useless unless you live in hawaii
[01:42] <seb128> it picks Paris here
[01:42] <HrdwrBoB> Your current time zone is set to Australia/Melbourne
[01:42] <Lathiat> well on ubuntu you usually set a location at the start
[01:42] <Lathiat> do other distros do similar?
[01:42] <HrdwrBoB> that's precisely where I am
[01:42] <luis_> you're in a small minority then
[01:43] <Lathiat> i set mine to where i am too, heh
[01:43] <Lathiat> Australia/Perth
[01:43] <HrdwrBoB> luis_: well, for the small minority it would be correct
[01:43] <HrdwrBoB> and the the majority it would be in the right area at least
[01:44] <pitti> good night everybody
[01:44] <mjg59> luis_: You need usplash-0.1-2 (which will hit the archive shortly) and the latest initramfs-tools, then mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd-foo
[01:45] <luis_> coolio
[01:45] <seb128> HrdwrBoB: they use the translation to set the default
[01:45] <luis_> thanks, dude
[01:45] <mjg59> luis_: But be warned that it's very ugly right now
[01:45] <mjg59> And doesn't really do anything useful
[01:46] <pitti> good night
[01:46] <luis_> if it can hide the text behind an arbitrary image which contains the string 'please wait', then it is a step up for me
[01:49] <mjg59> luis_: Well, sort of
[01:49] <mjg59> You'd need a couple of hacks for that
[01:50] <Kamion> nickrud: you look in http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Lists/, but you might want to get somebody who knows how to interpret those
[01:50] <nickrud> Kamion, thanks, I'll see what I can see
[01:50] <luis_> mjg59: anyway, I'll play with it
[01:51] <mjg59> luis_: Basic idea is: splash appears. Scripts call command that writes stuff to splash. Splash vanishes after timeout.
[01:52] <mjg59> There's still a tiny bit of work needed to get it to work on both sides of the root filesystem being mounted, but you could just up the timeout
[01:55] <robertj> (what I really mean is that it probably shouldn't be on the panel by default)
[02:23] <nickrud> Kamion, most of it is self explanatory (at the level I needed:), thanks
[03:15] <luis_> mdz, anyone else: where would it be best to discuss the liveCD? ubuntu-devel?
[03:52] <daniels> Kamion: worksforme
[03:55] <mjg59> daniels: I've seen it to
[03:55] <mjg59> o
[04:06] <marcin> hi all
[04:06] <marcin> I got a propably simple question... but I cannot find an answer myself
[04:07] <marcin> how you guys build packages in this way that they got *-ubuntu[somebuildversion] suffix?
[04:07] <bddebian> marcin: It comes from the changelog
[04:07] <daniels> mjg59: it used to happen in the pre-hoary days, and I don't see what could've changed to make it come back. of course, neither can I remember what I changed to fix it, exactly ...
[04:09] <ajmitch> daniels: I still get that, it came back recently
[04:09] <marcin> bddebian: so for example: wget (1.9.1-10ubuntu2.1) in changelog does this trick?
[04:09] <marcin> bddebian: and in fact - I know that 1.9.1 is version
[04:09] <daniels> headdesk
[04:09] <marcin> bddebian: but what 10 and 2.1 is?
[04:10] <marcin> bddebian: (in 10ubuntu2.1 suffix)
[04:10] <bddebian> Hmm, I haven't seen a suffix like 2.1
[04:10] <marcin> bddebian: well is is in ubuntu hoary - wget package - for example
[04:11] <Kamion> marcin: generally because there had already been a -10ubuntu3 in breezy but a security fix to -10ubuntu2 needed to happen in hoary
[04:11] <Kamion> (guessing)
[04:11] <shaya> Kamion and they didn't want to go -10unbuntu2hoary1 :)
[04:11] <Kamion> shaya: that would be really rather redundant and unhelpful, if you think about it
[04:12] <shaya> it was a joke :)
[04:12] <shaya> anyways
[04:12] <shaya> is there a libgl-xorg-dev package anywhere?
[04:12] <Kamion> codenames like "hoary" don't sort well
[04:12] <Kamion> shaya: libgl1-xorg-dev
[04:12] <marcin> Kamion: so this thing after 'ubuntu' is something like build version in rpms?
[04:12] <shaya> Kamion: aptitude is giving me serious issues
[04:13] <Kamion> marcin: no
[04:13] <Kamion> shaya: it's fixed, may still be propagating to your mirror
[04:13] <marcin> Kamion: hmm any naming convention guide?
[04:13] <shaya> hmm
[04:13] <Kamion> marcin: everything after the - is the package revision (as opposed to the upstream version number)
[04:13] <shaya> I use archive.ubuntu.com
[04:14] <Kamion> marcin: "ubuntu" is an indicator that we have made substantive changes in Ubuntu so we shouldn't automatically sync new versions from Debian, and instead must merge them
[04:14] <Kamion> marcin: the bit before "ubuntu" is generally the revision of the corresponding package in Debian
[04:15] <Kamion> normally speaking, the bit after "ubuntu" is just an integer. Don't mess about with extra 2.1 bits unless you know what you're doing and absolutely have to
[04:16] <Kamion> so typically, Debian has 2.3.1-1, first Ubuntu revision against that is 2.3.1-1ubuntu1, second is 2.3.1-1ubuntu2, etc.; if Debian release 2.3.1-2, then the merged version would be 2.3.1-2ubuntu1, etc.
[04:21] <marcin> Kamion: hmmm
[04:21] <marcin> Kamion: ok then when we need to change from 1ubuntu to 2ubuntu?
[04:23] <marcin> Kamion: ahh I think I get it - first digit is _Debian_ build indicator and last number after 'ubuntu' thing is _Ubuntu_ build indicator
[04:23] <marcin> Kamion: right?
[04:25] <Lathiat> mjg59: are you interested in hearing about usplash not working?
[04:25] <mdz> luis_: ubuntu-devel, yes
[04:26] <sladen> Lathiat: yes, in what case?
[04:26] <Lathiat> sladen: on my laptop, boots, screen goes blank, no hard disk activity, alt+sysrq+b works, capslock doesnt
[04:27] <Lathiat> hrm i just realised i have a vga=771
[04:27] <Lathiat> maybe tahts interfering
[04:28] <sladen> Lathiat: it can't cope with vesa modes
[04:28] <Lathiat> also
[04:28] <Lathiat> it should respect nosplash
[04:28] <sladen> Lathiat: it should probably check for, and ignore modes
[04:28] <Kamion> marcin: right
[04:28] <Lathiat> or not havign 'splash'
[04:28] <sladen> Lathiat: from reading the code about an hour ago, it /should/ do that
[04:28] <Lathiat> (because i had to boot a livecd to uninstall and reinstall the kernel to be able to boot again)
[04:29] <Kamion> marcin: don't touch the bit before "ubuntu" unless you're merging new code from upstream or from Debian (which you generally shouldn't be doing at this stage of the release process without getting prior approval, anyway)
[04:29] <Lathiat> i tried recovery mode and changing splash to nosplash
[04:29] <Kamion> Treenaks: hmm, I read some documentation a bit more carefully, I think that hotplug thing is actually a busybox sed bug
[04:29] <Lathiat> ill try without vga= and see what happens
[04:31] <marcin> Kamion: and what about new packages that doesn't exist in Debian repository?
[04:31] <ajmitch> marcin: they get -0ubuntu1, etc
[04:31] <Kamion> marcin: either versioned as if they were Debian packages, or as ajmitch says
[04:31] <sladen> Lathiat: 'splash' is not set for recovert mode. nothing knows about 'nosplash' it is 'splash' or ''
[04:32] <Lathiat> sladen: well if i set nosplash
[04:32] <Lathiat> sladen: thered be no splash
[04:32] <Lathiat> sladen: nor did it work in recovery mode
[04:32] <Kamion> I tend to use Debian-style versioning for new development, and -0ubuntu1 versioning for cases where we're temporarily running ahead of Debian
[04:32] <Lathiat> bbs
[04:32] <marcin> Kamion: ok
[04:32] <Lathiat> i saved the old initrd this time :)
[04:33] <Am|NickTaken> wtf, why does gmail-notify depend on straw (rss reader)
[04:33] <ajmitch> Kamion: we mandate -0ubuntu1 for universe new packages
[04:34] <sladen> Lathiat: nothing should happen at all in recovery mode. Is that what you see in your case?
[04:35] <Kamion> ajmitch: for universe that's reasonably sensible I guess, since much of that should be expecting similar packaging to show up in Debian as -1
[04:35] <Kamion> ajmitch: however, I refer you to e.g. the recent usplash uploads
[04:36] <Lathiat> sladen: nope, it still screwed up, however i just found out that i want the second version that was uploaded as without vga=771 i saw a kernel panic after some random foo
[04:36] <Lathiat> (cus init died)
[04:37] <ajmitch> right, I mainly deal with packages that MOTUs review for universe
[04:37] <ajmitch> where it's easiest just to have a consistent scheme, and try &get it into debian
[04:37] <sladen> Lathiat: okay, so a kernel panic. can you replicate it and record what the kernel paniced over?
[04:37] <marcin> Kamion: btw you want always follow debian repositories?
[04:37] <Lathiat> sladen: it had errors about the usplash_something-init, i saw a changelog entry about -s in the variables, so i'll get that new version and try it first
[04:38] <marcin> Kamion: or is this possible to create some really _different_ packages for ubuntu?
[04:38] <marcin> Kamion: (different - I mean different than in debian)
[04:39] <Kamion> marcin: we can and we have
[04:39] <Kamion> marcin: but try to limit it
[04:39] <Amaranth> should i uninstall usplash? :)
[04:39] <Kamion> marcin: the fewer *unnecessary* diffs we have versus Debian, the less work we have to do
[04:40] <sladen> Amaranth: is it giving you problems?
[04:40] <Kamion> sometimes the diffs are necessary, but don't do it just for the sake of it
[04:40] <Amaranth> sladen: I'm not comfortable booting up to a live cd to 'uninstall' my kernel to fix any potential problems :P
[04:41] <Lathiat> Amaranth: 'sok, backup your old initrd first ;p
[04:41] <Lathiat> (then use the power of grub ;p)
[04:41] <Amaranth> too late
[04:41] <Lathiat> Amaranth: nah just reinstall your kernel image
[04:41] <Lathiat> copy it
[04:41] <Lathiat> and then run mkinitramfs again
[04:41] <marcin> Kamion: ok anyway I want to package some software not much important for ubuntu
[04:41] <marcin> Kamion: and I think that I create these packages mainly for myself
[04:41] <Amaranth> Lathiat: ok, but if i just uninstall usplash and reinstall my kernel it should be fine, right? :)
[04:42] <Lathiat> Amaranth: i guess?
[04:42] <marcin> Kamion: especially while I want to break some debian rules (so propably no chance to adopt my package to debian)
[04:43] <Kamion> marcin: the Debian policy is not there just for fun; it's a collection of good practice that's evolved over time. If you insist on breaking it you should be very sure of your reasons
[04:44] <marcin> Kamion: I think I'm sure - especially while some packages adopted by ubuntu from debian are not installable
[04:44] <Kamion> I would expect the universe folks to require Debian policy from new packages by default except where they've explicitly decided to do otherwise for good reasons, I think
[04:45] <Kamion> dude, uninstallability's just about dependencies, it's not generally policy
[04:45] <ajmitch> we do require policy compliance
[04:45] <marcin> Kamion: but it is only one reason
[04:45] <daniels> what reason is that?
[04:45] <sladen> Amaranth: can you boot using the recovery-mode ?
[04:45] <Amaranth> sladen: i haven't tried to reboot at all
[04:46] <marcin> Kamion: and another is that some things are installed with packages but not available for user due to screwed up config files
[04:46] <daniels> argh
[04:46] <daniels> mjg59: sessreg comes from the xdm source
[04:47] <Kamion> marcin: and you think Debian rules include "must be broken"?
[04:47] <marcin> Kamion: anyway I'm too tired now to explain all of this it's too late (4:47 here)
[04:47] <Kamion> marcin: some packages in Debian are buggy; that doesn't mean that fixing them involves breaking Debian rules
[04:47] <marcin> Kamion: well maybe not all debian rules
[04:47] <marcin> Kamion: to be more specific
[04:48] <marcin> Kamion: the thing I want to do is a bunch of packages for Emacs
[04:48] <marcin> Kamion: and debian policy for emacs is pretty good
[04:48] <marcin> Kamion: (overcomplicated - but good)
[04:49] <marcin> Kamion: but there is a lot of broken packages - broken in different ways
[04:50] <bob2> how does any of this justify breaking policy?
[04:50] <marcin> Kamion: dependencies (for example: jde), broken config files (for example: dired-x - available in package but user needs to configure this by hand in .emacs file)
[04:51] <Kamion> so far it sounds like you're just saying "I need to fix stuff that's broken", which is fine
[04:51] <ajmitch> have you filed bugs in debian for these?
[04:52] <Kamion> the thing I'm boggling at is purely "can't fix without breaking [unspecified] Debian rules"
[04:52] <ajmitch> at least for the issues that come from debian
[04:52] <Kamion> that does happen, but it's rare, and I'd like to hear exactly what rules you think you have to break so that people can review that decision
[04:52] <marcin> ajmitch: not yet because I know that they will give me a million of reasons why their policy is the best one and they will tell me to shut up ;)
[04:53] <bob2> so, your complaint is "Debian Emacs Policy section $blah is buggy"?
[04:53] <marcin> ajmitch: btw there are things that propably are ok in debian but not in ubuntu - like jde package - non installable in ubuntu due to problems with java
[04:54] <Kamion> Ubuntu's founded to a large extent on Debian policy; if you think the policy is broken, you need to explain *why*
[04:54] <Kamion> so that it can be fixed wherever's appropriate
[04:55] <daniels> (and fixing it will usually involve getting it fixed in Debian, also)
[04:57] <Amaranth> hrm
[04:57] <Amaranth> xnest installs into /usr/X11R6/bin/
[04:57] <sladen> Amaranth: I'm lost. Are you wanting to uninstall because you're worried by other people's reports
[04:57] <Amaranth> sladen: yeah
[04:57] <Amaranth> sladen: doesn't matter though, i can't even make gdm work anymore :)
[04:57] <Amaranth> time to see if usplash cuts
[05:00] <Kamion> marcin: jde is uninstallable because bsh failed to build from source, which in turn is because kaffe is uninstallable; see http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/b/bsh/1.3.0-3/
[05:01] <marcin> Kamion: I know that and I said that this is dependency problem
[05:01] <Kamion> marcin: in turn, kaffe looks like it simply needs to be rebuilt for the C++ transition
[05:01] <Kamion> I'll take care of that now
[05:01] <marcin> Kamion: anyway the thing is that I don't want to broke all debian rules for emacs
[05:02] <marcin> Kamion: I just want things to "just work"
[05:02] <marcin> Kamion: and the problem is that there is really a lot of things in debian packages for emacs
[05:02] <marcin> Kamion: that doesn't work at all - regarding if installed or not
[05:03] <ajmitch> Kamion: kaffe is on a list to be synced, I don't think the current version was building
[05:03] <Kamion> ajmitch: the current version *has* built
[05:03] <marcin> Kamion: because propably maintainters think that emacs users are advanced one and they don't provide almost any config settings for emacs
[05:04] <Kamion> marcin: so it sounds like you're attributing all sorts of awful motives to people that in all probability aren't there
[05:04] <bob2> marcin: so, submit a patch for a sane default config
[05:04] <marcin> Kamion: and in this way every emacs user needs to spend a lot of time hacking .emacs file
[05:04] <ajmitch> Kamion: sorry, I was going by what other MOTUs had said
[05:04] <Kamion> you'll never find out if you don't talk to the maintainer who did it that way. :)
[05:05] <Kamion> we try to cooperate with Debian where possible, not just work around them :-)
[05:05] <marcin> Kamion: to make things _just work_ while it is common procedure in emacs world ( ;) ) I don't thing it is good for ubuntu image
[05:06] <Kamion> I have no objection to things just working - all I'm saying is that you seem to be being unduly pessimistic
[05:09] <marcin> Kamion: well it is pretty hard to work with debian maintainers while propably their packages are maintained in simmilar way to their debian-emacsen mailing list
[05:10] <marcin> Kamion: which is full of 'penis enlargement' spam stuff instead of real discussion
[05:11] <Kamion> problems with the lists have very little to do with quality of maintenance
[05:12] <Amaranth> well, i'm still here, i guess that's good :)
[05:12] <Amaranth> what i supposed to see any difference?
[05:12] <Amaranth> err, was
[05:12] <Kamion> anyway you should feel free to sort things out in Ubuntu; I'm just trying to encourage you not to give up on cooperating
[05:13] <marcin> Kamion: now I work on some build scripts that will create really huge amount of packages based on single *.el files
[05:14] <marcin> Kamion: (something simmilar to garnome scripts but my scripts will create *.debs with emacs things automatically)
[05:14] <marcin> Kamion: and these *.el libraries aren't packaged for debian yet
[05:15] <marcin> Kamion: so I'll try to follow debian policy this time
[05:15] <marcin> Kamion: but when I'll finish these packages I'm going to try some more difficult packages
[05:16] <marcin> Kamion: and then we'll see
[05:16] <marcin> Kamion: and now I need to go to bed, I'm too tired to talk logically
[05:16] <marcin> Kamion: and my english sucks more and more in every minute ;)
[05:19] <daniels> please don't automatically create .debs
[05:24] <TerminX> is xorg -45 safe?
[05:24] <TerminX> (yeah, I know 44 works but I feel like I have to ask ;) )
[05:24] <bddebian> OddAbe19: Are you in Lancaster?
[05:25] <daniels> TerminX: yeah, -45 is marginally safer than -44, and -46 will be safer again
[05:25] <Amaranth> latest version is actaully installable, that's a plus
[05:26] <TerminX> okay, thanks.. wanted to make sure there wasn't any weird breakage upgrading from 44 to 45 as there was with, say, 36 to 44
[05:27] <daniels> nah. but if you don't have any problems with 44, 45 won't give you anything useful.
[05:27] <daniels> 46 will fix xnest and a couple of other small things.
[05:28] <Lathiat> yay xnest
[05:28] <Kamion> lamont-away: please dep-wait bsh on kaffe (>= 2:1.1.5-4); MOTU will need to sync to that to fix it, I think
[05:29] <Kamion> ajmitch: you were right, it does need to be synced; 2:1.1.5-3 has some silly hardcoded dependencies (debian/shlibs.local) that were removed in later versions
[05:31] <daniels> although, um, the server looks a little special on amd64
[05:31] <daniels> so I guess it's kind of lucky that it's waiting on binary NEW
[05:32] <daniels> or that it's totally FTBFS
[05:32] <daniels> ARGH
[05:32] <Kamion> new's empty ...
[05:32] <daniels> seriously, I must have run rm *amd64* at some stage
[05:32] <daniels> headdesk
[05:34] <Kamion> whoops
[05:37] <Amaranth> ok, has usplash worked sucessfully for anyone here?
[05:37] <Lathiat> heh
[05:37] <Lathiat> you want the new version
[05:37] <Lathiat> that isnt in the archives yet
[05:38] <Lathiat> is there some way to get mail when things move into the archives?
[05:38] <Kamion> not for binaries, no
[05:38] <Lathiat> damn
[05:40] <Kamion> no i386 buildd has taken it yet; I assume they're still chasing up main backlog following the libgl1-xorg-dev fix
[05:42] <Kamion> lamont-away: a lot of stuff seems to have failed due to lack of 'apt-get update' in the buildd chroot or similar ...
[05:43] <daniels> if -46 builds on i386 and amd64, I'm going to upload it
[05:43] <daniels> so it shouldn't be too far away
[05:43] <daniels> (libosmesa being fixed also)
[05:43] <OddAbe19> bddebian, yeah, why?
[05:43] <Amaranth> hrm, cellrenderertext and mozilla don't agree on how to render this mix of ltr and rtl languages
[05:44] <infinity> Kamion : The apt sources are refreshed before each build..
[05:44] <infinity> Kamion : Example failure?
[05:49] <Kamion> infinity: nautilus_2.11.91-0ubuntu1_20050810-0236-i386-failed.gz, oem-config_0.5_20050810-0236-i386-failed.gz, others
[05:51] <daniels> i wonder if I can blame xorg's utter failure on amd64 on this
[05:53] <infinity> The nautilus failures look more like dirty chroots to me. Or something else hideously whacky. I'll poke after I attack my lunch.
[05:56] <infinity> Kamion : Of course, those kinds of failures also result in automatic give-backs, so if it is a transient archive issue, it'll sort itself.
[05:56] <infinity> I'll still have a look at all the chroots in a few minutes though. :)
[05:57] <daniels> Kamion: i assume the libgl1-xorg-dev thing was just causing problems for germinate?
[05:58] <Kamion> daniels: no, it seemed to be causing a bunch of weirdly fucked-up buildd chroots after failed builds
[05:59] <Kamion> or at least a lot of stuff was failing to build with cryptic messages from apt, may not have been screwed chroots
[05:59] <infinity> The weirdly-fucked-up chroots were being caused by the dpkg segv, afaict.
[05:59] <infinity> Which is unrelated.
[05:59] <infinity> Unless your change managed to work around dpkg hating itself.
[05:59] <Kamion> ah. I thought that was related to the uninstallability, though
[05:59] <Kamion> because the segv was consistently on libglu1-mesa-dev, which is intimately related to libgl-dev providers
[06:00] <Kamion> and it started happening at pretty much the same time
[06:00] <infinity> mesag-dev, actually, but yes, those packages are a nasty incestuous group.
[06:00] <Kamion> oh, it was libglu1-mesa-dev for me
[06:00] <infinity> Oh, interesting.
[06:00] <infinity> Well, I'll retry my testcase with the changes you've made and see if the dpkg segv is gone for me.
[06:00] <Kamion> did you manage to save a tar of /var/lib/dpkg/info and the .deb it was trying to install?
[06:01] <Kamion> would be nice not to lose the dpkg segv testcase
[06:01] <infinity> Installing one deb never did it for me. I had to install a massive set of packages in one rnu.
[06:01] <Kamion> I was having trouble reproducing it consistently without re-debootstrapping
[06:01] <infinity> s/rnu/run/
[06:01] <infinity> elmo may or may not have taken a snapshot of the archive last night when we were disussing the issue. I'm hoping he did, if it's not magically fixed.
[06:01] <Kamion> well, we can always extract xorg -44 later at leisure
[06:02] <daniels> right. scott's fault. :)
[06:02] <Kamion> and appropriate matching mesa
[06:02] <Kamion> I tweaked libglu1-mesa-dev's libgl-dev alternatives, which will probably have helped matters too
[06:02] <daniels> Kamion: i keep a source morgue of every xorg upload since hoary (except a couple of the weird-shit random uploads in the week I was at LinuxTag, since they disappeared before I got back and caught up), so we can rebuild at will.
[06:02] <Kamion> but it's all uncomfortably debugging-by-voodoo
[06:03] <Kamion> I've been going around trying to get stuff updated to the newer package names so that we can demote-to-universe/remove the old ones
[06:03] <Kamion> which should also help consistency of hoary->breezy upgrades
[06:04] <ajmitch> if there's any name changes that are affecting universe, notification would be good
[06:04] <ajmitch> as I'm not sure if we're needing to rebuild packages with new build-deps yet or not
[06:05] <daniels> Kamion: the hillarious part of all your mesa changes is that libgl1-xorg* will cearse to exist before breezy's out
[06:06] <daniels> replaced by ... libgl1-mesa*
[06:06] <infinity> Kamion : The only way to get upgrade consistency will be if sometihng directly depends on libglu1-mes (etc), since everything that depends on libgl/libglu depends on virtual packages.
[06:06] <Kamion> daniels: yeah, I know, but in the meantime I really want to deconfuse germinate
[06:06] <Kamion> it was doing shit like pulling in mesag3 because it was the primary alternative from libglu1-mesa or something like that
[06:07] <Kamion> and that makes it hard to demote the old packages from main, which in turn means people are more likely to upload new stuff (build-)depending on the old names
[06:08] <daniels> hm
[06:09] <daniels> it should be letting the dependency be satisfied by the alternative anyway
[06:09] <infinity> Yay, my dpkg segv is still there.
[06:09] <Kamion> yeah, it wasn't though, I think because it looked at libglu1-mesa before looking at anything that depended directly on libgl1-xorg
[06:10] <daniels> huh
[06:10] <daniels> can't we all just use portage or something?
[06:10] <Kamion> germinate's ordering-dependent in some cases; we have a couple of seed workarounds for it, but the right answer is to make primary alternatives consistent in main at least
[06:10] <infinity> Kamion : Your mucking with package relations did nothing to help dpkg stop littering chroots.
[06:10] <infinity> (glad it helped germinate though)
[06:10] <Kamion> ah well
[06:11] <Kamion> grr
[06:11] <Kamion> daniels: please make libgl1-xorg.shlibs mention libgl1-xorg not xlibmesa-gl kthxbye
[06:11] <daniels> Kamion: *cough*
[06:12] <infinity> Kamion : Has libgl1-mesa already been promoted to main?
[06:12] <Kamion> anyway, *my* primary alternative is to go to bed rather than poking at dependencies ...
[06:13] <infinity> Kamion : If so, it's more future proof for us to just change those shlibs to be "libgl1-mesa | libgl1"
[06:13] <infinity> (Since that's what we want in the end)
[06:13] <Kamion> infinity: no
[06:13] <infinity> Err, there is no libgl1-mesa. It's mesag3... And it needs love.
[06:13] <infinity> But, yeah. I should go hump mesa's leg for a bit or something.
[06:14] <Kamion> yeah, if that's going to take some complicated mesa/xorg interaction then I think I prefer the multi-step approach
[06:14] <Kamion> while taking the point about having to go back and do it all over again later, at least we only end up with one layer of old packages lying around in breezy if we don't get it done in time, rather than two
[06:15] <infinity> ;)
[06:15] <Kamion> and I really don't feel good about germinate sucking in stuff that's NBS from xorg :)
[06:15] <daniels> surely it should follow provides where the package is a pure virtual with only one provider
[06:15] <infinity> No arguments on that one.
[06:16] <Kamion> daniels: yes - such as?
[06:16] <daniels> Kamion: ... xlibmes-agl?
[06:16] <Kamion> xlibmesa-gl | 6.8.2-43 | breezy | amd64, hppa, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc
[06:16] <Kamion> not pure virtual
[06:16] <daniels> oh, argh
[06:17] <daniels> can we please cull xlibmesa* from the archive?
[06:17] <Kamion> that's what I'm trying to arrange
[06:17] <infinity> If you drop xlibmesa completely, then the "xlibmesa-gl | libgl1" dep becomes a pure virtual.
[06:17] <elmo> don't
[06:17] <Kamion> hmm
[06:17] <elmo> it's not showing up in rene
[06:17] <elmo> which means something's still claiming to build it
[06:17] <elmo> pls fix that first
[06:17] <infinity> elmo : Not yet built on amd64, I assume that's the only issue.
[06:17] <infinity> (the new source, that is)
[06:17] <elmo> no, that doesn't matter
[06:18] <elmo> rene looks at the source, which is always the latest
[06:18] <elmo> bah, don't make me wake up
[06:18] <Kamion> o 6.8.2-43 [ia64, i386, sparc, amd64, powerpc] : libfs-dev, libfs6, libfs6-dbg, xfs, xlibmesa-dri, xlibmesa-dri-dbg, xlibmesa-gl, xlibmesa-gl-dbg, xlibmesa-gl-dev, xlibosmesa-dev, xlibosmesa4, xlibosmesa4-dbg
[06:18] <Kamion> (rene's partial NBS list) - hppa maybe?
[06:18] <daniels> daniels@ephemera:~/canonical/brainfreeze/xorg/monolith% grep xlibmesa-gl old/xorg_6.8.2-44_source.changes
[06:18] <daniels> + xlibmesa-gl* -> libgl1-xorg, libgl1-xorg-dev, libgl1-xorg-dbg
[06:18] <daniels> (that's the changelog entry)
[06:19] <infinity> elmo : Did you snapshot the archive last night so we can reproduce that dpkg segv? (now would be fine too, I can still reproduce it as of right now)
[06:19] <Kamion> it's not in xorg -44.dsc
[06:19] <elmo> xfree86
[06:19] <infinity> !
[06:19] <elmo> claims to build it
[06:19] <elmo> infinity: no, sorry, I didn't think of a cunning way to do it and forgot/got distracted by terranova
[06:19] <Kamion> heh
[06:19] <daniels> elmo: i don't see how this is problematic
[06:19] <infinity> And why do we still have xf86 source packages at all?
[06:20] <elmo> daniels: because if you remove stuff a source package claims to build the buildds think it needs to be built?
[06:20] <elmo> xfree86 may have sneaked back in when I spethialed the sync blacklist a while back
[06:20] <daniels> elmo: right. so that's why we remove the source package that claims to build it.
[06:22] <elmo> daniels: sure - I was more objecting to the principle of forcibly removing stuff in rene's partial NBS list
[06:22] <daniels> elmo: yeah, fair enough
[06:22] <infinity> Objection duely noted. xfree86 source removal would be nice. :0
[06:22] <daniels> if we could nuke xfree86, that would simplify a lot of things
[06:22] <Kamion> oh, argh, speaking of partial NBS
[06:22] <infinity> (probably would have been nice about a month ago...)
[06:22] <elmo> libxft1 | 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6ubuntu25 | amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc
[06:22] <Kamion> tseng: please stop mcs building mono-assemblies-arch, I didn't spot that
[06:22] <daniels> there's a lot of shit that's atrophied since hoary that would still be claimed by xfree86
[06:22] <elmo> I take it we don't need that?
[06:22] <daniels> yeah
[06:22] <elmo> ok, removed, re-blacklisted
[06:23] <daniels> elmo: we don't need anything that xorg doesn't build today
[06:23] <ajmitch> Kamion: mcs source should be removed, it's all in the mono source package now
[06:23] <elmo> ------------------- Reason -------------------
[06:23] <elmo> [rene] out damn spot, out
[06:23] <elmo> ;)
[06:23] <daniels> elmo: including libxp6, libxp-dev, libxaw8, libxaw8-dev, xmh, xdm (cough), xfs, etc
[06:23] <infinity> Man, Lady MacBeth was so mean to that dog.
[06:23] <daniels> elmo: heh
[06:24] <elmo> daniels: once xfree86 disappears, rene will do her thing and someone who's awake and with katie privs can kill the rest
[06:24] <daniels> elmo: awesome, cheers
[06:25] <Kamion> elmo: do I have to know anything special to remove mcs? just melanie in the obvious way?
[06:25] <Kamion> oh, sync blacklist, hmmmmmm
[06:25] <elmo> it just a file dude
[06:25] <elmo> it's like the least katie part
[06:26] <ajmitch> mcs source isn't in sid either, from what I can see
[06:26] <Kamion> good point
[06:26] <elmo> kamion: but yeah, melanie just works, you might want to prefix the removal with '[rene] ' to avoid silly fascism checks
[06:26] <Kamion> how do we keep track of stuff removed from Debian?
[06:26] <elmo> I have something that parses removals.txt
[06:27] <elmo> I wrote it as punishment for logging the removals in such an incredibly unparseable format
[06:27] <elmo> I haven't run it since UVF tho
[06:27] <elmo> as tracking removals when we're not syncing new stuff gets insane fast
[06:32] <daniels> i think lamont should write more katie tools
[06:32] <daniels> that would be awesome
[06:32] <Kamion> elmo: btw, did I ever ask you, how do you NEW stuff straight into universe the way you seem to do?
[06:32] <elmo> Kamion: yeah, and I think I dodged the question, it's a disgusting hack
[06:32] <elmo> kamion: basically, the problem is the override-source's-idea-of-componet stuff is an old-school warthogs-era hack,and only exists in jennifer
[06:32] <elmo> lisa doesn't know how to do it
[06:33] <elmo> so my straight to unvierse stuff, adds the overrides semi-by-hand, then moves the upload from new back into unchecked
[06:33] <elmo> [yes, I rock. I'm here all week. thank you.]
[06:33] <Kamion> ah, right, I had wondered if it was something like that since I noticed lisa really didn't like the whole idea
[06:34] <Kamion> after trying the obvious-looking thing in lisa and then having to unfuck the overrides
[06:34] <elmo> c.f. 'new_universe' alias the katie user has
[06:34] <elmo> for the 'semi-byhand' bit
[06:34] <elmo> oh it's a script in ~/bin/ actually
[06:35] <Kamion> niiiice
[06:35] <elmo> :>
[06:35] <elmo> yeah, not proud
[06:36] <Kamion> I guess that has trouble with contrib/ and non-free/ stuff from Debian too
[06:36] <elmo> one day... I'll fix lisa
[06:36] <elmo> kamion: or anything that mentions universe or multiverse, yes
[06:37] <daniels> i swear elmo and lamont are one and the same person
[06:37] <daniels> because I was actually joking about lamont writing bits of katie
[06:37] <daniels> now I'm not so sure
[06:37] <elmo> dude, katie's obsolete for us
[06:38] <elmo> elegant solutions are WAB
[06:38] <Lathiat> wab?
[06:40] <raphaelpereira> hi
[06:40] <raphaelpereira> hello?
[06:40] <raphaelpereira> i found a bug
[06:41] <raphaelpereira> and have a patch
[06:41] <raphaelpereira> is this the right place?
[06:41] <Lathiat> raphaelpereira: What is it for?
[06:41] <infinity> bugzilla is probably the right place to document the bug/patch.
[06:41] <raphaelpereira> which is the addres???
[06:42] <raphaelpereira> it's simple
[06:42] <raphaelpereira> and corrects all problems (i hope) related to hibernation on errors of "scheduling while atomic"
[06:42] <raphaelpereira> upon resume
[06:43] <Lathiat> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[06:43] <raphaelpereira> ok
[06:43] <raphaelpereira> do you wanna know or i just go there and report?
[06:43] <Xyc0> I wanna know
[06:43] <jsgotangco> its best to bugzilla though
[06:44] <raphaelpereira> ok
[06:44] <raphaelpereira> Xyc0, simple
[06:44] <raphaelpereira> schedule while atomic problems probably is kernel bug
[06:44] <raphaelpereira> i'm no kernel hacker
[06:44] <Kamion> file the bug, then point him at it
[06:44] <raphaelpereira> so, i workaround it
[06:44] <raphaelpereira> ok
[06:44] <raphaelpereira> sorry
[06:44] <Kamion> no need to rehash it here
[06:45] <Xyc0> That works
[06:45] <Kamion> feel free to discuss pending issues with the patch here, though
[06:56] <daniels> ummmmmmmmmmmm
[06:56] <daniels> this is more special
[06:57] <daniels> the only explanation I can come up with is that I did find ./ -name \*amd64\* | xargs rm -f
[06:57] <daniels> 'cause debian/patches/600_amd64_support.diff was missing, so everything went into /usr/X11R6/lib64
[06:57] <Lathiat> umm
[06:57] <Lathiat> how the hell did you manage that
[06:57] <Amaranth> who needs amd64?
[06:57] <Lathiat> haha Amaranth
[06:58] <Lathiat> you can get amd64 laptops for like $1100, maybe i should save up for a play
[06:58] <Amaranth> with 2 hours of battery life, yay
[06:58] <Lathiat> heh yeh
[07:00] <Xyc0> Lap tops can get more then 2 hours?!?
[07:00] <raphaelpereira> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11824
[07:00] <raphaelpereira> sorry for the long time
[07:00] <raphaelpereira> i didn't have an account
[07:01] <Xyc0> no worries
[07:01] <raphaelpereira> i have just noticed
[07:01] <raphaelpereira> my time is wrong
[07:02] <raphaelpereira> Xyc0, mine is last
[07:02] <Xyc0> rgr
[07:04] <Xyc0> raphaelpereira: Ill have to test this, bbl
[07:04] <raphaelpereira> bbl?
[07:05] <raphaelpereira> uau
[07:05] <raphaelpereira> does someone knows what is the meaning of bbl?
[07:05] <raphaelpereira> ok
[07:05] <raphaelpereira> be back later
[07:05] <Lathiat> be back later
[07:05] <raphaelpereira> i figured...
[07:05] <daniels> can we PLEASE try to keep this channel to discussion of Ubuntu development?
[07:06] <raphaelpereira> sorry mr daniels
[07:37] <jdub> Kamion: ping
[07:41] <infinity> Kamion : Have all the old xfree/xorg binaries been removed from the archive by now?
[07:41] <infinity> Kamion : Or are we still waiting on a cron.something to run?
[07:42] <infinity> Kamion : I'm cleaning up all the buildd chroots right now, and would like to do a mass give-back to see if anything's slightly happier with the new world order once the old junk is gone.
[07:47] <fabbione> infinity: what happened to the chroots?
[07:47] <daniels> dpkg keeps segfaulting
[07:47] <infinity> dpkg segfaults
[07:47] <fabbione> ah
[07:47] <fabbione> what version of dpkg?
[07:48] <infinity> Anything in the last month?
[07:48] <infinity> It's been going on for ages.
[07:48] <infinity> Try "apt-get install libqt3-mt-dev mesag-dev" in a clean buildd chroot.
[07:48] <infinity> (make sure it's clean first)
[07:49] <fabbione> create-chroot test
[07:49] <fabbione> argh.. EWINDOW
[07:51] <fabbione> Package mesag-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[07:51] <fabbione> However the following packages replace it:
[07:51] <fabbione> x11proto-gl-dev
[07:51] <fabbione> E: Package mesag-dev has no installation candidate
[07:51] <infinity> You need universe on.
[07:51] <fabbione> infinity: so what else can i test?
[07:51] <fabbione> ok
[07:52] <fabbione> infinity: nada.. latest mesa didn't build on sparc yet
[07:53] <fabbione> any other test?
[07:53] <infinity> That's the only "easily" repoducble testcase I have, though I know there are other killer package combinations too.
[07:53] <infinity> (I just would have to look through build logs to find them)
[07:53] <fabbione> ok....
[08:07] <Burgundavia> jdub, red hat is already working with MIT with that $100 laptop. Looks like your vision of gnome on that laptop might become a reality
[08:07] <Burgundavia> jdub, http://laptop.media.mit.edu/
[08:10] <sivang> morning all
[08:17] <Mithrandir> 'morning
[08:23] <Treenaks> hi
[08:26] <Mithrandir> daniels: you've _stolen_ my precious norwegian characters!
[08:26] <daniels> Mithrandir: no I haven't.
[08:26] <daniels> they work just fine.
[08:26] <Mithrandir> no, they don't
[08:27] <daniels> if you're having problems, follow my howto on -devel
[08:27] <daniels> but bear in mind that -46, which I just uploaded, was the first sensible version to build on amd64
[08:29] <daniels> if it still persists, I need a more sensible bug report
[08:30] <daniels> is your keyboard layout set right? does it try to set it and bomb out? does setxkbmap -print look right? does setxkbmap -print | xkbcomp - :0 help? does setxkbmap -model pc105 -layout no help?
[08:30] <daniels> but it's lunchtime
[08:37] <Mithrandir> yes, no, yes, yes, restarting X seems to have fixed it.
[08:37] <doko_> good morning
[08:38] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: s nw you cn d weird Norwegian stuff again? :)
[08:38] <Mithrandir> !
[08:38] <Treenaks> we need a single code point for \o/
[08:40] <Mithrandir> indeed, we do.
[08:41] <paolo> Do we, provided we have the interrobang
[08:42] <Treenaks> paolo: Unicode has a code point for the interrobang, so we have the interrobang.
[08:56] <Mithrandir> whom should I talk with to get my bugzilla ID changed?
[08:58] <robitaille> Mithrandir: if you mean your email address, you can do it yourself
[08:58] <infinity> Mithrandir : Yeah, just set it yourself, there's a 4 day delay or some such, then it switches over.
[08:58] <infinity> Mithrandir : I did the same thing a couple months back.
[08:59] <Mithrandir> inded I can.
[08:59] <Mithrandir> indeed, even
[09:18] <tepsipak1i> kamion: I can't preseed locales, is it known not to work? even if I set the default locale to be None, it is set as "en", and the locales that I want aren't generated
[09:18] <tepsipak1i> this is with both hoary and latest breezy-netboot
[09:19] <tepsipakki> damn typo
[09:21] <\sh> Kamion: Kick my butt for what I done yesterday..it wasn't my purpose to upload this package without asking...
[09:22] <Mithrandir> hi pitti
[09:22] <pitti> Good mor*yawn*ing
[09:24] <paolo> 'morning :-)
[09:26] <\sh> morning pitti
[09:28] <mvo> morning
[09:28] <ajmitch> hi pitti
[09:29] <sivang> moring pitti
[09:30] <sivang> s/moring/morning/
[09:30] <pitti> Hi ajmitch, hi sivang
[09:43] <ajmitch> hi chmj
[09:45] <Burgundavia> who is in charge of UbuntuExpress?
[09:46] <chmj> hi ajmitch
[09:50] <highvoltage> hi chmj
[09:50] <Mithrandir> ok, ooo2 working on amd64 with gtk looks.
[09:54] <mdz> pitti: my firefox has become crashy as well
[09:54] <mdz> Mithrandir: yay!
[09:54] <pitti> mdz: same for mozilla
[09:55] <pitti> mdz: and only on amd64, right?
[09:55] <Burgundavia> mdz, what are the specific plans for the hoary-->breezy updater?
[09:55] <Burgundavia> mdz, would it be possible for it to show the same screenshot tour as UbuntuExpress?
[09:55] <Mithrandir> mdz: there is an mozilla-ooo and ooo-evolution, I guess you are fine with me not providing those on amd64?
[09:56] <mdz> pitti: no, on i386
[09:56] <mdz> Burgundavia: screenshot tour?
[09:56] <Burgundavia> mdz, apparently UbuntuExpress will be able to show images while installing
[09:57] <jdub> Burgundavia: nicely spotted
[09:57] <pitti> mdz: hm, my i386 installation is not yet updated to the latest packages (libraries, not ffox itself)
[09:57] <Burgundavia> jdub, now we just need Ubuntu on them...
[09:58] <pitti> mdz: I'll upgrade, check if it becomes unstable and will try to single out the lib that caused that
[10:00] <Mithrandir> mdz: and -kde is not even started yet. :-/
[10:00] <Mithrandir> mdz: I'll finish up the gnome version before starting on ia32-libs-kde, I think
[10:01] <mdz> Burgundavia: I would be much happier if UE could not display screenshots, but could in fact install Ubuntu
[10:01] <Burgundavia> jdub, the doc team (myself and jsgotangco mostly) have been working on a new quickguide, ala the original spec. Rough draft at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuickTourDraft
[10:01] <mdz> Mithrandir: do mozilla and evolution require more ia32 libs?
[10:01] <jdub> YAY ORIGINAL SPEC!
[10:01] <sivang> jamesh: I get this when running ./autogen:
[10:02] <Mithrandir> mdz: I _think_ they require mozilla and evo as 32 bit programs.
[10:02] <paolo> Anybody uses emacs to develop on ubuntu-breezy? heh :-)
[10:03] <jsgotangco> i do docbook stuff on emacs
[10:03] <jsgotangco> psgml mode
[10:03] <jdub> Mithrandir: you think multiarch is doable/sensible for breezy+1
[10:04] <paolo> jsgotangco, do you know this error: Undefined color: "black" ? I get this with every emacs I tried (emacs21, emacs-snapshot) - I think it's probably because of Xorg issues.
[10:04] <sivang> jamesh: http://paste.uni.cc/7567
[10:04] <jdub> Burgundavia: couple of comments
[10:04] <Burgundavia> jdub, shoot
[10:04] <jdub> Burgundavia: could do with a bit more copy where useful
[10:04] <Mithrandir> jdub: yes.
[10:05] <jdub> also, really got to zoom in on user-benefit features
[10:05] <jdub> about-me, for instance, isn't a user-interesting feature
[10:05] <jamesh> sivang: those are warnings you should ignore
[10:05] <Burgundavia> jdub, what do you see those as?
[10:05] <sivang> jamesh: ok, what is the source for them?
[10:05] <jdub> so *some* breezy goals are user-interesting
[10:05] <jamesh> sivang: they can only be fixed by updating the packages owning each of those .m4 files
[10:05] <jdub> such as built in LTSP
[10:05] <jdub> easier to use file manager
[10:05] <Mithrandir> jdub: it's going to require some concentrated effort, though
[10:06] <Burgundavia> jdub, file manager is somewhat mentioned, but could be tied together more
[10:06] <jamesh> sivang: automake checks to make sure that autoconf macro definitions are of the form AC_DEFUN([NAME] , ...) rather than AC_DEFUN(NAME, ...)
[10:06] <jdub> Mithrandir: elite
[10:06] <sivang> jamesh: ah, I see
[10:06] <jsgotangco> built in LTSP sounds good but quite advanced
[10:06] <jdub> Burgundavia: yeah, bundle those micro-feature grains into user-benefit blobs :-)
[10:06] <jamesh> sivang: since M4 is a macro expansion language, the AC_DEFUN(NAME, ...) form is dangerous if the macro gets defined multiple times
[10:06] <jdub> jsgotangco: it can be explained pretty simply
[10:07] <jdub> can just point to more information
[10:07] <paolo> Which lisp is going to be builtin?
[10:07] <Burgundavia> those who know what LTSP means will be excited
[10:07] <jamesh> sivang: "AC_DEFUN(foo, bar)AC_DEFUN(foo, baz)" would define two macros: foo -> bar and bar -> baz
[10:07] <Burgundavia> those who don't will ignore it
[10:07] <jsgotangco> rights its a quick tour anyways
[10:07] <jamesh> sivang: proper quoting would give just a single macro
[10:07] <Burgundavia> jdub, anything else? like the style? anything you would remove?
[10:07] <jdub> Burgundavia, jsgotangco: i'll pop over to -doc :)
[10:18] <karlheg> Idea; please implement (RFI): A package that sets the system up for source level debugging of packaged software. Perhaps if each package had an automatically generated companion package that contains the debugging symbols that have been stripped from the normal binary; GDB supports this. I think it would be better than having separate debugging versions of libraries. A gdb wrapper script should be able to set up the environment so
[10:18] <karlheg> that gdb picks up those symbols when it's run, right? (I will look for a place in the UDU Wiki to place this idea)
[10:19] <siretart> morning
[10:19] <sivang> jamesh: ok, noted. pkg is here: http://muse.19inch.net/~sivan/lpint/lpint-bonnobo-0.0.tar.gz
[10:19] <siretart> fabbione: around?
[10:22] <JanC> karlheg : the udu wiki is merged with the normal wiki now AFAIK?
[10:24] <Mithrandir> mdz: would you be ok with putting ia32-libs-gtk 4 into hoary? It fixes printing for people using ooo-amd64
[10:25] <mdz> Mithrandir: hoary-updates, you mean?
[10:25] <mdz> Mithrandir: it depends on what the changes are
[10:25] <Mithrandir> mdz: it wraps spadmin in the pango preload hack similar to what is done to ooo
[10:25] <Mithrandir> it's been in breezy since may, but you wanted it to have a little time there to see that it didn't break anything before putting it into -updates
[10:26] <sivang> jamesh: I've kept the way the patch is done, as evident from http://muse.19inch.net/~sivan/lpint/01_lpint_bonobo_src.patch
[10:26] <siretart> ah, so it's not my fault that my ooo/amd64 cannot print? If I may help testing, tell me where I can download the packages to test ;)
[10:26] <Mithrandir> siretart: from breezy
[10:27] <siretart> oh. ok
[10:27] <Mithrandir> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/i/ia32-libs-gtk/ia32-libs-gtk_4_amd64.deb
[10:34] <jamesh> sivang: cool. I'll take a look at it.
[10:34] <jamesh> sivang: if you want to manage your changes, a bazaar branch might be easier
[10:35] <sivang> jamesh: I will crete one today :)
[10:35] <jdub> jbailey: still around?
[10:35] <jbailey> jdub: Yup
[10:35] <sivang> jamesh: it pretty cool using it in that ditributed format, and it's not as hard as it seemed first place (to operate baz, that is)
[10:35] <jbailey> 'sup?
[10:37] <seb128> mdz, Kamion: we are targetting a stable desktop this week to run a colony CD?
[10:37] <mdz> seb128: yes
[10:37] <seb128> k, here is the issue
[10:38] <pitti> Hi carlos
[10:38] <seb128> cairo has changed its soname ... they were moving the API from some time with .so.1 on purpose, and the API is declared stable now so they bumped it to .so.2
[10:38] <carlos> morning
[10:39] <infinity> seb128 : Oh joy.
[10:39] <seb128> but GTK using it, around ~70 main packages (200 packages) rdepends on libcairo1
[10:39] <infinity> seb128 : API-compatible?... Cause a mass rebuild with no source changes isn't really tough.
[10:39] <seb128> yep, API compatible with the current version
[10:39] <pitti> seb128: can't we do that after the next colony?
[10:39] <mdz> infinity: is NM going to happen or no?
[10:39] <seb128> pitti: <seb128> mdz, Kamion: we are targetting a stable desktop this week to run a colony CD?
[10:40] <seb128> pitti: that's why I ask ...
[10:40] <mdz> it's been too long since the last milestone; we need one as soon as possible
[10:40] <pitti> yes, this was planned for the feature freeze
[10:40] <seb128> k
[10:40] <infinity> mdz : Are you okay with reverting the resolvconf attempt and going with bind9?... If so, then yes, I think I'm in a position to say "it'll be ready well before breezy"
[10:40] <seb128> I'll delay the cairo change for after the next colony
[10:40] <mdz> infinity: the relevant deadline is feature freeze, rather than breezy release
[10:40] <infinity> mdz : Dropping bind9 loses functionality (like bind views for VPNs), as well as making things not quite work optimally.
[10:40] <seb128> GTK 2.8 should be out this week too, I'll do both updates after colony
[10:41] <mdz> infinity: the issues with bind9 were resource consumption and security policy
[10:41] <infinity> mdz : Well, it won't be perfect for feature freeze, but I can get it "pretty good" in a day.
[10:41] <infinity> Resource consumption shouldn't be an issue, what's the security worry?
[10:41] <mdz> infinity: we can choke a bit on resource consumption; security needs to be addressed
[10:41] <mdz> infinity: no open ports in desktop
[10:41] <infinity> If we're only binding to localhost, it should be okay.
[10:41] <mdz> well, we weren't binding to localhost
[10:41] <infinity> Well, that's easily fixed, then.
[10:42] <Lathiat> mdz: it was but
[10:42] <mdz> I'm not convinced of that
[10:42] <Lathiat> another copy was running standard
[10:42] <mdz> but I hope so
[10:42] <Lathiat> from the init scfript
[10:42] <Lathiat> not sure how you can address that without breaking everyones bind9 installs by not starting it by default
[10:42] <infinity> mdz : Well, it's a tradeoff, cause allowing NM to depend on bind9 and rnu its own instance that only bindt o localhost means we need to ship a bind9 package that's DOA.
[10:43] <infinity> mdz : Then again, we shipped postfix DOA with the last release, so I suppose it's something we're used to.
[10:43] <mdz> infinity: I don't see why
[10:43] <mdz> I thought NM already supplied its own config to bind
[10:43] <infinity> mdz : Well, if I depend on bind9, it'll get installed, it'll by default run a cacheing nameserver on *:53 (and NM will also run its own instance on localhost:53)
[10:44] <mdz> infinity: that's currently the case, yes. but that's not what we want
[10:44] <mdz> that's one of the things that needs to be fixed in order to integrate network manager
[10:44] <infinity> mdz : Right, hence why I said we'd need to deliver bind9 DOA.
[10:44] <infinity> mdz : Or ship two bind9 binary packages, one just for NM. (ick)
[10:44] <mdz> infinity: that is not the right solution
[10:44] <Mithrandir> split bind9 into bind9 and bind9-config where bind9-config is the set of current config files?
[10:44] <infinity> mdz : I'm flailing for a solution that isn't one of those two.
[10:45] <mdz> infinity: Mithrandir just mentioned one. another would be to suppress the default bind9 startup if NM is active
[10:45] <infinity> Mithrandir : That still delivers bind9 DOA, unless the admin knows to install bind9-config. (unless you're suggesting NM provides it as a metapackage, but those packages coulnt'c onflict, cause it's perfectly reasonable to run two bind9 instances)
[10:45] <Mithrandir> or bind9-daemon is just the daemon and bind9 is the config files + a dependency on bind9-daemon
[10:46] <infinity> mdz : There's no reason not to run bind9 /and/ NM (though it's an odd setup, sure)
[10:46] <Lathiat> mdz: so like an /etc/default/bind9 DONT_START_IF_NETWORKMANAGER_IS_INSTALLED or something?
[10:46] <mdz> the important use cases are: desktop user gets NM + caching nameserver, server user gets "apt-get install bind9"
[10:46] <infinity> Mithrandir : That's more workable, yes.
[10:46] <mdz> infinity: it'd be a silly deafult
[10:46] <mdz> default
[10:46] <jstr> hello people. I would like to help Ubuntu by coding. Is there anyone here that I can talk to get started?
[10:46] <mdz> jstr: yes
[10:47] <infinity> mdz : How about the suggestion to split the damon binary into a seperate package, as above?.. That's very little effort on the packaging front, and would seem to solve the problem.
[10:47] <mdz> infinity: it is one option
[10:47] <Mithrandir> it means moving conffiles, but that's doable, just ugly.
[10:47] <infinity> Mithrandir : No it doesn't, the conffiles would stay in bind9.
[10:48] <mdz> Mithrandir: why? the conffiles can stay in bind9
[10:48] <infinity> Mithrandir : And just move the binary itself to bind9-bin.
[10:48] <infinity> Mithrandir : That's the path of least reistance so far.
[10:48] <Mithrandir> hm, true.
[10:48] <mdz> infinity: what about interaction between NM and ifupdown? is that all sorted?
[10:49] <infinity> In that ifupdown has absolutely no clue about NM-managed interfaces? No.
[10:49] <mdz> I think that the reverse is rather the problem
[10:49] <Lathiat> infinity: itd be nice if you could stop network-manager, and then start it and have it work again
[10:49] <Lathiat> or just have it not eat my interfaces if i play with them
[10:50] <jdub> infinity: so thom and i were talking about making ifupdown understand n-m
[10:50] <jstr> sweet. Well I am a comp sci student in australia. I would like to do some open source work before I graduate so I have a nice looking resume. I like using C, and have done a unit on C in UNIX, but i have also done units in C++, java, and heeps of boring things like UML and project management.... I plan to give at least a year of commitment to a project.
[10:50] <infinity> jdub : Do you have logs of this?
[10:50] <mdz> jdub: I don't think it should
[10:50] <mjg59> Lathiat: Hm. It needs 0.1-2, which doesn't seem to have hit the archive yet
[10:50] <infinity> jdub : I hate reinventing wheels.
[10:50] <jdub> infinity: such as having static/dhcp/managed in interfaces, stuff like that
[10:50] <mdz> jdub: I think NM should stay the hell out of the way if ifupdown is managing an interface
[10:50] <jdub> infinity: i wish i did - i'll ping thom about it
[10:50] <jstr> what group should i join?
[10:50] <jdub> mdz: yeah, exactly, that's the idea
[10:50] <Lathiat> mjg59: usplash?
[10:51] <mdz> jdub: how does that equate to ifupdown understanding n-m?
[10:51] <Lathiat> mjg59: i think the buildds were a little hosed last check
[10:51] <jsgotangco> jstr: help the MOTU: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[10:51] <infinity> mdz : Well, the design goal of NM was to have it manage things independently of other system tools like ifupdown. OTOH, if they can be made to not hate each other, I'm not opposed to the concept.
[10:51] <Lathiat> well ifup/down marks if it has brough tan interface up or down
[10:51] <jstr> thank you
[10:51] <Lathiat> n-m could look at that, and not touch the interface if its been brought up
[10:51] <mdz> infinity: to rephrase, NM is broken if it interferes with existing ifupdown configurations
[10:51] <mdz> infinity: that is a showstopper bug
[10:51] <infinity> mdz : What if I bring the iface up with ifupdown, but then I want to fiddle with it (say, associate with another WAP) with NM?
[10:52] <Lathiat> infinity: the real problem right now is that if you bring an interface up, it screws with it immediately, not if you click on something or whatever
[10:52] <mdz> infinity: for a given interface, you should either use NM xor ifupdown
[10:52] <doko> Mithrandir: could you use openoffice.org2_1.9.121-1ubuntu7 as a base for the amd64 packages?
[10:52] <jstr> jsgotangco: is there a channel for MOTU?
[10:52] <Lathiat> jstr: #ubuntu-motu
[10:53] <jsgotangco> jstr: #ubuntu-motu
[10:53] <Lathiat> jstr: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[10:53] <jstr> thank you
[10:53] <jdub> mdz: so the basic idea was configuring an interface as a managed interface
[10:53] <jdub> infinity: thom should hve logs at home
[10:53] <mdz> jstr: it's one of the first things on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[10:53] <mdz> jdub: what we need is the "by tomorrow" solution
[10:54] <mdz> which lets us get NM into desktop and start testing it
[10:54] <mdz> otherwise it's not going to make breezy
[10:54] <infinity> jdub : "iface eth0 managed", and then ifupdown doesn't own it, and "grep -v managed iface" are the interfaces NM should stay the hell away from?
[10:54] <Mithrandir> doko: I'm using whatever is in breezy
[10:54] <doko> Mithrandir: just freshly built.
[10:54] <mdz> the day of reckoning is upon us
[10:55] <infinity> jdub : That would require exactly 0 changes to ifupdown (since it'll just ignore those stanzas anyway), and could be hackable into NM..
[10:55] <jdub> infinity: yeah, at least that's one of the ideas i started with - the conversation went from there (thom is looking for logs now)
[10:55] <jdub> infinity: i like to dabble in simplicity 8)
[10:56] <infinity> jdub : But how do you cover the "I just plugges a new USB wifi interface in that I didn't have before" use case?... Does NM just toss it into /etc/network/interfaces, so users don't have to set it to managed on their own?
[10:56] <jdub> infinity: unconfigured in interfaces means it's up for grabs
[10:56] <infinity> Having to update a config file to declare something as "managed" sounds kinda dodgy, I guess.
[10:56] <mdz> infinity: interfaces which are configured in interfaces(5) should be left alone by NM. others should be managed by NM.
[10:56] <mdz> it's backwards
[10:57] <jdub> yes
[10:57] <mdz> there's no need to add new syntax either
[10:57] <infinity> jdub : Ahh, then there's no need to declare something "managed" at all.
[10:57] <jdub> thom's found the logs
[10:57] <infinity> Gimme.
[10:57] <infinity> :)
[10:58] <seb128> hey jdub
[10:59] <jdub> yo seb128
[10:59] <jdub> infinity: http://planetarytramp.net/nm-interfaces
[11:01] <jdub> oh, hey, i made more sense then than i do now
[11:03] <jdub> pitti: are you buying the "system bus restart means reboot time" stuff?
[11:03] <alberto> hi
[11:03] <alberto> someone in powerpc? ibook?
[11:03] <alberto> I installed ubuntu in a iBook 12" G3
[11:03] <pitti> jdub: we had this discussion on the utopia list
[11:03] <jdub> pitti: yeah, saw it
[11:03] <alberto> and sound in speakers is very low, when I play something it first sound a bit and after is ultra low
[11:03] <Lathiat> alberto: This is a development channel for discussion of ubuntu devleopment, please goto #ubuntu for user support
[11:04] <alberto> Lathiat: is a bug
[11:04] <pitti> jdub: the argument is not bad, I didn't finally made up my mind about this yet
[11:04] <alberto> alsaconf is not in alsa-utils
[11:04] <alberto> that is a bug
[11:04] <alberto> I'm sure
[11:04] <mdz> alberto: it isn't a bug, and this isn't the place to report bugs
[11:04] <mdz> alsaconf was intentionally removed
[11:04] <pitti> alberto: please open the mixer and push up the DRC range (or disable DRC)
[11:05] <pitti> jdub: we have reconnection patches for update-notifier and g-v-m, it is certainly possible for the battery applet, too
[11:05] <pitti> jdub: if we can make it work with reconnection, I'd prefer that
[11:05] <jdub> pitti: yeah
[11:05] <pitti> jdub: what do you think?
[11:05] <alberto> mdz: why was removed?
[11:06] <mdz> alberto: it is obsolete
[11:06] <jdub> pitti: i'd like to think we were not absolutely lame, but sometimes i wonder about the rh guys ;)
[11:06] <alberto> ok
[11:06] <mdz> alberto: you should never need to use alsaconf; if it isn't configured automatically out of the box, then that is a bug
[11:07] <alberto> mdz: I am debian user since years ago, and I used to do all manually
[11:07] <alberto> I thought that could be a bug, sorry
[11:08] <infinity> jdub : Okay, you guys were talking a level of complexity beyond what we were just talking about here.
[11:09] <infinity> jdub : And something that's not realistic for "can I have it done in a day? (or a few, if mdz cuts NM some slack)"
[11:10] <seb128> jdub, pitti: we should probably drop on the "restart dbus on update". I've talked with walters on #gnome-hacker yesterday. Upstream/Redhat/Suse are not going this way, and dbus is going to be used by a lot of stuff, that will require some good patching all over the place and probably create some bugs ...
[11:10] <jdub> infinity: well, if you ignore the mandatory settings stuff, it's exactly what we've just described
[11:10] <jdub> infinity: n-m to own what interfaces doesn't
[11:11] <jdub> infinity: (which, in effect, leaves interfaces as the mandatory settings layer for the time being)
[11:11] <infinity> jdub : Yeah, and the crazy "ifupdown should talk to NM via dbus" stuff. :)
[11:11] <pitti> alberto: does the DRC setting help?
[11:11] <jdub> oh, that was early in the conversation
[11:11] <jdub> much crack
[11:11] <alberto> pitti: for sure
[11:11] <alberto> I am happy XD
[11:11] <alberto> :D
[11:11] <infinity> jdub : Still, there was the valid point raised about "how the heck do I get a network when I boot in reocovery mode?"
[11:11] <jdub> yeah
[11:11] <nomed^> hi all .. just a question .. i sow that debian is workin on a script: xserver-xorg.init .. "http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xorg-x11/trunk/debian/changelog" is ubuntu planing something similar?
[11:11] <alberto> why is disabled drc channel by default?
[11:12] <infinity> jdub : If an interface can't be configured in /etc/n/i for NM to manage it, then you've got a catch-22 there.
[11:12] <infinity> jdub : No network until the GUI comes up for the normal use case means recovery is much more difficult for the clueless.
[11:12] <mdz> nomed^: no; we already solved this problem in a simpler way, but Petter wanted to do it differently
[11:12] <jdub> infinity: in that case, our first run having a slight negative impact on recovery mode is probably something we can handle
[11:12] <pitti> alberto: that's fixed in breezy btw
[11:13] <jdub> infinity: won't the NM daemon do something sensible before the GUI is up?
[11:13] <nomed^> mdz, could you give me a link or more infos about this .. ?
[11:14] <mdz> nomed^: for the live CD, it is done by casper, for thin clients, it is done by ltsp
[11:14] <infinity> jdub : Oh, yes, in runlevel 2 it will, but DBUS doesn't even run in runlevel 1.
[11:14] <nomed^> mdz, ok thanks
[11:14] <jdub> infinity: so i don't think we need to worry about recovery mode
[11:14] <infinity> jdub : So, we should get a network when DBUS kicks in in rc2.
[11:14] <mjg59> Lathiat: Hngk.
[11:15] <mjg59> Lathiat: Yes, usplash. Looks like it's the buildds
[11:15] <infinity> jdub : I dunno. It makes it much harder to do user-to-user support, if you have to tell someone how to manually configure their network interface before they can "ifup eth0 ; wget some_random_file ; perform fix"
[11:15] <Lathiat> mjg59: indeed
[11:15] <infinity> jdub : I'm not sure if losing that is really worth the shininess of NM being shoved in prematurely.
[11:16] <mdz> infinity: "dhclient eth0" fills that use case nicely
[11:16] <infinity> Oh, fair enough.
[11:16] <jdub> infinity: it's not that hard, in the simple case, you should just be able to dhclient
[11:16] <Lathiat> perhaps in recovery dhcp could be attempted on all interfaces or something
[11:16] <jdub> infinity: and the non-simple case involves configuring interfaces ;)
[11:16] <infinity> Alright, objection withdrawn then. We can go with the simplest "if it ain't in interface, NM owns it" path, then.
[11:17] <infinity> Lathiat : "recovery mode" isn't really a "mode" at all, it's just runlevel 1.
[11:17] <daniels> paolo: undefined colour: black means that X is missing its RGB database, which is actually sort of somewhat true for new installs ...
[11:17] <infinity> Lathiat : We don't do anything special in that mode, we just stop booting half way.
[11:17] <Lathiat> infinity: you could add a grub flag tho
[11:17] <Lathiat> but true
[11:17] <infinity> Well, yes.
[11:17] <jdub> The following extra packages will be installed:
[11:17] <jdub> libslang2-dev
[11:17] <jdub> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[11:17] <jdub> aalib1-dev libxine-dev slang1-dev
[11:17] <jdub> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[11:17] <jdub> libslang2-dev
[11:17] <infinity> We can parse /proc/cmdline and do something spiffy, but I'm not sure how worth it that is.
[11:18] <jdub> The following packages will be upgraded:
[11:18] <jdub> libcaca-dev
[11:18] <paolo> daniels, indeed. I replaced the 4 lines long rgb.txt that comes with the default install with the 700+ lines long xorg one. Now Emacs start correctly. Should I file a bug?
[11:18] <jdub>
[11:18] <jdub> seb128: know about that ^ ?
[11:18] <infinity> "run ifup eth0" and "run dhclient eth0" are pretty much equivalent from a "I have no idea what either of those commands mean because I like mice" perspective.
[11:19] <jdub> infinity: figlet in base -> "WELCOME TO RECOVERY MODE, THIS IS YOUR SHELL" :)
[11:19] <jdub> having to use recovery mode is bad to start with
[11:19] <mjg59> Hm. No exciting DCC announcements?
[11:19] <alberto> thanks pitti and mdz
[11:19] <jamesh> not cowsay?
[11:20] <jdub> mjg59: dude, the booth was EMPTY today
[11:20] <daniels> paolo: no, I already have it in hand
[11:20] <daniels> mjg59: HA HA HA
[11:20] <mdz> pitti: my firefox crash is at 0xb7e9304d in nsCOMPtr_base::begin_assignment ()
[11:20] <infinity> jdub : Agred, single user is not something we should ever have to dump anyone into.
[11:20] <paolo> daniels, ok great. It is also missing the binary "showrgb".
[11:20] <daniels> paolo: yes
[11:20] <mjg59> jdub: No Userlinux either?
[11:21] <mjg59> "Jim Zemlin, executive director of the Free Standards Group, the organization behind the LSB, will be speaking at the DCCA's launch Tuesday at LinuxWorld."
[11:21] <seb128> jdub: what are you trying to install?
[11:21] <infinity> mdz : Alright, if we're agreed on the single user use case being irelevant, and that "not in interfaces means NM owns it", then I think we're good to go.
[11:21] <jdub> seb128: libcaca-dev
[11:21] <infinity> mdz : Assuming the bind9/bind9-bin split is acceptable for the other glaring issue.
[11:21] <mdz> infinity: yes
[11:21] <jdub> mjg59: saw bruce around
[11:21] <seb128> jdub: I'm not maintainer for that :p
[11:22] <jdub> seb128: cheeky :)
[11:22] <seb128> jdub: xine is the one broken here
[11:22] <jdub> yeah
[11:22] <jdub> should depend on slang2
[11:22] <infinity> mdz : Given that the current packages are in rather poor shape and poorly tested, I assume there's no argument with updating to a more recent CVS snapshot? It's a bit less broken in general upstream, it seems.
[11:22] <seb128> jdub: I'll fix that
[11:23] <jdub> seb128: want me to turn it around for you?
[11:23] <seb128> feel free :)
[11:23] <jdub> dum-de-dum :-)
[11:24] <Simira> morning, jdub
[11:24] <HiddenWolf> What's the deal with DCC anyhow? Looks like they're infighting even before launch, and everyone has a different idea about what it should/will be.
[11:24] <jdub> HiddenWolf: falling apart before they can even announce.
[11:24] <Lathiat> whats that the debian commercial thing?
[11:25] <HiddenWolf> jdub: how so?
[11:25] <jdub> HiddenWolf: sun wah and others bailing out
[11:26] <HiddenWolf> jdub: omg. I'm not sure what I should think of that.
[11:27] <jdub> how about, "oh, already?"
[11:27] <mjg59> jdub: Sun Wah bailing out?
[11:27] <Lathiat> sun wah?
[11:27] <mjg59> I knew VA had
[11:27] <Amaranth> not funny
[11:27] <jdub> mjg59: was written up in eweek
[11:27] <HiddenWolf> jdub: I'm doubting between "sucks to be debian" or just plain "sucks"
[11:27] <jdub> HiddenWolf: note that DCCA is *not* debian
[11:28] <Amaranth> xutils and xbase-clients are showing as obsolete in synaptic but lots of things use them :P
[11:28] <mjg59> jdub: Eweek wrote about VA - Sun Wah still seemed positive
[11:28] <HiddenWolf> jdub: yeah, I know. But they'll need some focus in order to get a grip, and this could have been just the thing.
[11:28] <daniels> Amaranth: that'd be 'cause they don't exist in the archive in any version at the moment. wait 'till the next pulse kicks.
[11:28] <jdub> $ dpkg -L libxine1c2 | grep so$ | while read i; do ldd $i; done | grep slang
[11:28] <jdub> libslang.so.1 => /lib/libslang.so.1 (0xb7ef9000)
[11:28] <jdub> libslang.so.2 => /lib/libslang.so.2 (0xb7cd1000)
[11:28] <Amaranth> oh!
[11:28] <jdub> libslang.so.1 => /lib/libslang.so.1 (0xb7eb2000)
[11:28] <Amaranth> ouch
[11:28] <jdub> ^ ha ha
[11:29] <mjg59> HiddenWolf: If it had actually involved Debian in any way, it's possible that it would have led to good things
[11:29] <Treenaks> jdub: omg?!
[11:29] <Amaranth> xine links against both at once?
[11:29] <jdub> er, even worse
[11:30] <jdub> /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.1/xineplug_vo_out_aa.so links against both at once
[11:30] <HiddenWolf> mjg59: well, yeah, perhaps. if you give debian a say tho, you have to reach a concencus among thousands of devesl rather than a few CEO/CTO's - it'd be braindead rather than falling apart
[11:31] <mjg59> HiddenWolf: Debian developers are never going to do anything to benefit a set of companies that aren't working with Debian
[11:31] <Lathiat> it'l make good flamewords on ddl tho
[11:31] <paolo> daniels, you do probably know it too, but I wanted to make sure: the xbase-clients package do install more or less nothing.
[11:31] <HiddenWolf> mjg59: and there you have a reason for going outside of debian. :)
[11:32] <mjg59> HiddenWolf: Right. Which probably means you shouldn't use their trademark...
[11:32] <Amaranth> paolo: that's a feature, not a bug
[11:32] <paolo> Amaranth, cool. Do you know where to find everything missing there? (e.g. xfontsel)
[11:33] <Amaranth> they've gone to a better place
[11:33] <Amaranth> hrm, daniels is rubbing off on me
[11:33] <HiddenWolf> mjg59: depends on how you do things. Perhaps the plan was to build a corporate debian deriviate.
[11:33] <HiddenWolf> Amaranth: do we want to know? ;)
[11:33] <mjg59> HiddenWolf: Which would still be a violation of the trademark
[11:33] <jdub> HiddenWolf: which shouldn't use the trademark...
[11:34] <HiddenWolf> mjg59, jdub, I never said they where smart, did I?
[11:34] <Amaranth> hey, i thought ubuntu was the corporate debian derivitive ;)
[11:34] <Amaranth> corporate == workstation
[11:34] <HiddenWolf> Amaranth: ubuntu has debian and others wetting their pants, really.
[11:34] <mjg59> Not so much Debian
[11:34] <daniels> paolo: this is fixed in -46
[11:35] <daniels> paolo: which is probably waiting in NEW
[11:35] <mjg59> More the people whose revenue streams depend on people buying their distribution
[11:35] <Amaranth> daniels: oh, xbase-clients has stuff in it again in -46?
[11:35] <jdub> Amaranth: ubuntu is not a desktop/workstation OS
[11:35] <highvoltage> HiddenWolf: Ubuntu relies on Debian.
[11:35] <daniels> Amaranth: 'stuff in it' -> 'dependencies'
[11:35] <HiddenWolf> mjg59: no, debian is just grinding its teeth.
[11:35] <Amaranth> ah
[11:35] <highvoltage> HiddenWolf: if Debian has to wet its pants, then Ubuntu has to too.
[11:35] <paolo> daniels, great - thank you for the informations.
[11:36] <mjg59> HiddenWolf: Uh. No.
[11:36] <jstr> mdz: Ive signed up for doing some work with MOTU. Im just wondering if there is also some coding work that i can get involved with?
[11:37] <HiddenWolf> highvoltage: I doubt it. If ubuntu gets things done, and debian does not, devels might choose to upload here rather than at debian. The projects rely on eachother, but if debian messes up, ubuntu might just be the bigger brother eventually.
[11:37] <sivang> Amaranth: it will be excellent as a server too ;-)
[11:38] <ajmitch> HiddenWolf: and we try & get things back into debian that we put into ubuntu
[11:38] <Amaranth> HiddenWolf: the way we do things in universe would never scale to the level of developers debian has
[11:39] <jdub> HiddenWolf: long term, perhaps, but short/medium term, not really
[11:39] <HiddenWolf> Amaranth: I know, but organisations and methods change. as do goals. my piont was: Ubuntu is a wake-up call for debian, and they have to do it right, or they'll lose users first, then developers.
[11:39] <HiddenWolf> jdub: notice the eventually
[11:40] <daniels> i don't think that ubuntu will ever function as a centre of more generalised development in such a way that it surpasses debian
[11:40] <HiddenWolf> Amaranth: judging from that is going on now in debian, and this DCC thingy, Debian is not awake yet.
[11:40] <paolo> daniels, is there a place where I can find this kind of informations by myself instead of begging here?
[11:40] <daniels> we do two sorts of things: big, big things (gnome, xorg, nm, whatever) that get back, and small cool usability tweaks
[11:40] <daniels> paolo: the xorg changelogs on breezy-changes
[11:41] <daniels> HiddenWolf: i don't think DCC is any serious challenge. it's not like any of those vendors (progeny, va, sun wah, linspire, xandros), have ever made any constructive effort to engage with debian anyway.
[11:42] <HiddenWolf> daniels: let us hope we don't have to, but let's face it, ubuntu gets stuff done, debian, dcc or what they'll think of next, probably won't. That is hurting debian and it's reputation.
[11:42] <Lathiat> wtf is sun wah
[11:42] <Lathiat> ive never heard of it
[11:42] <daniels> HiddenWolf: i think Debian does a lot more than you give it credit for.
[11:42] <jdub> Lathiat: chinese commercialised debian
[11:42] <Lathiat> jdub: ah
[11:42] <Amaranth> HiddenWolf: Standing on the shoulders of giants.
[11:43] <jdub> Amaranth: don't be rude
[11:43] <Amaranth> ?
[11:43] <jdub> HiddenWolf: debian gets our packages done... please don't take that for granted
[11:43] <daniels> HiddenWolf: try scaling motu to 10,000 packages. say what you like about debian, but it has a massive field of maintainer who generally care deeply about their packages, which we just cannot replicate unless we scale to the same degree.
[11:43] <Amaranth> jdub: How was that rude?
[11:44] <jdub> Amaranth: it was not originally said as a positive statement :)
[11:44] <Lathiat> i was wondering that
[11:44] <HiddenWolf> daniels: I know they're great, and I hope they stay great. I just don't see them moving forward. but let's drop it. only time can tell any way.
[11:44] <Amaranth> jdub: It just means what you said.
[11:44] <jdub> Amaranth: might want to check the history of it :)
[11:44] <Amaranth> jdub: Ubuntu gets the cool things done because of what debian gives us.
[11:45] <mjg59> Amaranth: The "Standing on the shoulders of giants" thing referred to a short person
[11:46] <\sh> yes...a new ejabberd version
[11:46] <mdz> jstr: it's too late to develop new features for the 5.10 release, but you can start working on something for 6.04
[11:47] <jstr> thats fine. is there a group that needs members?
[11:48] <Mithrandir> doko: [Java framework] sunjavaplugin.so could not load Java runtime library:
[11:48] <Mithrandir> file:///usr/lib/libgcj.so.6.
[11:48] <Lathiat> mjg59: a giant can stand on another giant
[11:49] <Lathiat> heh
[11:49] <Lathiat> i think i took it the way amaranth did
[11:50] <Lathiat> jdub: mm friday, avahi 0.1, :)
[11:50] <Lathiat> altho ross thinks its not a 0.1 because it has documentation and man pages
[11:51] <jdub> Lathiat: yay
[11:55] <pitti> /usr/bin/ld: /tmp/ccVIzjHe.o: relocation R_X86_64_32 against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
[11:55] <pitti> /tmp/ccVIzjHe.o: could not read symbols: Bad value
[11:55] <pitti> meh???
[11:55] <Lathiat> nice
[11:57] <daniels> i like `a local symbol'
[11:57] <pitti> anyway, -fPIC helped
[11:57] <Lathiat> heh
[11:58] <tseng> Kamion: better to just drop mcs completely.
[11:58] <tseng> Kamion: i will mail elmo.
[12:00] <doko> Mithrandir: hmm, can you try lib32gcj6 ?
[12:00] <Mithrandir> doko: it's installed
[12:04] <Mithrandir> doko: apart from that, ooo2-amd64 is there
[12:04] <Mithrandir> (missing -kde, still)
[12:08] <doko> yep, sunjavaplugin.so wants that ... don't know yet how to fix that. maybe edit sunjavaplugin.so and point it to the correct location?
[12:09] <jdub> seb128: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/xine-lib.diff
[12:09] <Mithrandir> I would seriously want not to run sed on random .so-s :-P
[12:09] <doko> s,/lib/libgcj.so.6,/lib32/libj.so.6,
[12:10] <doko> well, the applications should work, as long as you don't touch the java things ...
[12:13] <doko> Mithrandir: and if you go this way, libofficebean.so is the other one to edit ...
[12:13] <Kamion> tseng: no need, I already removed it
[12:13] <Kamion> jdub: pong
[12:13] <Kamion> infinity: sorry, I crashed, I'll have a look now
[12:14] <daniels> gdb Kamion core
[12:14] <daniels> (gdb) bt
[12:14] <jdub> Kamion: hey, um, really sorry to lump you with this,
[12:14] <jdub> Kamion: but we have a late goal we need to integrate for breezy
[12:15] <Mithrandir> doko: I've nuked the openoffice2-officebean
[12:15] <jdub> Kamion: think you may be able to manage this one quickly
[12:15] <jdub> Kamion: reference document here -> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-365647.html
[12:15] <Mithrandir> doko: problem is ooo2-base is mostly unusable without the java stuff.
[12:15] <jdub> Kamion: need it to work out of the box on ppc
[12:16] <Lathiat> jdub: haha thats interesting
[12:16] <Kamion> jdub: not a hope. I cannot take extra goals right now, I'm sorry
[12:16] <doko> Mithrandir: yes, that's known. although it's ugly, I chan check, if the hex-editing would help. The OOo2 build expects a JAVA_HOME, I cannot change that easily
[12:17] <Kamion> I have two days to deal with everything I have to do for feature freeze, and three days to organise a wedding
[12:17] <jdub> Kamion: *love* :-)
[12:17] <Mithrandir> jdub: that's utter crack.
[12:17] <Kamion> and also, that's ... what Mithrandir said. :-)
[12:17] <Kamion> I hadn't even looked at the URL before refusing :)
[12:18] <Kamion> wow, that's totally insane
[12:18] <Mithrandir> it's _bad_ and utter crack. :-)
[12:18] <jdub> :-)
[12:18] <daniels> jdub: OH MY GOD, DUDE
[12:18] <jdub> thought you'd enjoy that one :)
[12:18] <Kamion> I'm really impressed that shit works at all
[12:18] <Mithrandir> jdub: you need to lower your dose of bad drugs.
[12:19] <Kamion> not impressed enough to actually use it, but ... ;)
[12:19] <jdub> OUT OF THE BOX! :)
[12:19] <daniels> can we kill xlibs-dev before feature freeze?
[12:20] <Mithrandir> doko: I would rather ship an ooo2 without -base on amd64, really.
[12:21] <doko> jdub: xine-lib 1.0.1 has issues with GCC-4.0 ... there are a new 1.0.2 and a 1.1 upstream
[12:21] <jdub> doko: boh!
[12:21] <Kamion> infinity: looks like elmo removed all that stuff though
[12:21] <doko> Mithrandir: it's not just -base, you find the java stuff in other places as well. i.e. most wizards, docbook-save in oowriter
[12:22] <jdub> seb128_: oops, wrong url anyway: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/random/xine-lib.diff
[12:23] <Mithrandir> doko: ew
[12:24] <Lathiat> doko: i thought it all worked with free java stuff now? (or is it a stuff in main issue?)
[12:24] <tseng> Kamion: ok.
[12:24] <doko> Lathiat: it does
[12:25] <seb128_> jdub: thanks :)
[12:25] <Mithrandir> doko: can you provide me with something that ooo will find when looking for JREs?
[12:25] <jdub> seb128_: you approve?
[12:25] <jdub> seb128_: if that's okay, i'll try upping to 1.0.2
[12:26] <doko> Mithrandir: ?
[12:27] <Mithrandir> doko: I refuse to sed random shared objects to mangle paths, can't it have a search path or something?
[12:29] <seb128_> jdub: do you need to Build-Depends on libslang2-dev ?
[12:29] <seb128_> jdub: no you don't, libaa1-dev Depends on it
[12:30] <crispin> daniels: where should the /etc/X11/X symlink point ? Mine is currently a broken link to /usr/bin/X11/Xorg
[12:30] <Gandalfar> can anyone point me to more documentation about 'casper'?
[12:31] <Kamion> seb128: indeed - much of the point of the aalib transition was to remove explicit slang dependencies
[12:31] <jdub> seb128: ok, ta
[12:31] <Kamion> unless you're actually using slang directly of course
[12:31] <jdub> nah, that was my add
[12:31] <jdub> is it ok to build-conflict with slang1-dev tho?
[12:32] <jdub> otherwise it can (and did) build against both
[12:32] <Kamion> pretty unnecessary if you build-dep on libaa1-dev
[12:32] <Kamion> given that there's never been a version of libaa1-dev (as opposed to aalib1-dev) that depends on slang1
[12:32] <Kamion> but I guess it's ok
[12:32] <doko> Mithrandir: not before feature freeze ...
[12:32] <daniels> crispin: /usr/bin/X11/Xorg should point to /usr/X11R6/bin/Xorg
[12:32] <jdub> Kamion: well, that's changed in this patch too, so i may as well not
[12:33] <Mithrandir> doko: ok, any other good ideas?
[12:33] <Lathiat> daniels: yay dbus patch works
[12:33] <Kamion> daniels: oh! Xorg is a symlink to ../X11R6/bin/Xorg
[12:34] <Kamion> daniels: can't do that, it's going to have to be an absolute symlink, considering that /usr/bin/X11 -> .
[12:34] <Kamion> ... or not, it seems to work anyway, hmm
[12:34] <doko> Mithrandir: please can you check out, if the java stuff actually works with the hack, I don't want to waste time adding a search path, and then it doesn't work anyway ...
[12:34] <seb128> daniels: it points to /usr/bin/X11/Xorg too here
[12:34] <daniels> yes
[12:35] <daniels> /usr/bin/X11 -> /usr/bin, /usr/bin/Xorg -> /usr/X11R6/bin/Xorg
[12:35] <seb128> and there is no /usr/bin/X11/Xorg
[12:35] <Kamion> evidently the kernel is cleverer than I thought
[12:35] <mvo> Kamion: I need approval for a update-manager upload (bugfix only)
[12:35] <Kamion> mvo: what's in it?
[12:36] <mvo> Kamion: more carefull mirror preserve and updates so that breezy source lines are created by default
[12:36] <daniels> seb128: there's no /usr/bin/X11/anything
[12:36] <mvo> hardly any code changes (~5 lines)
[12:37] <crispin> daniels: thanks, that fixed it, although I notice now non-root can run X, is that intentional ?
[12:37] <mvo> Kamion: I can do you a debdiff if you want
[12:37] <Mithrandir> doko: segfault; the strings aren't the same length.
[12:38] <doko> s,/lib/libgcj.so.6,/lib32/libj.so.6,
[12:38] <doko> they are.
[12:38] <Kamion> mvo: that's fine
[12:39] <daniels> crispin: 'can' or 'can't'?
[12:40] <seb128> daniels: after a purge/reinstall /etc/X11/X point to /usr/bin/X11/Xorg here ...
[12:41] <crispin> daniels: 'can'
[12:41] <daniels> seb128: yes. that's intentional.
[12:41] <mvo> Kamion: thanks
[12:41] <HiddenWolf> Guys, why isn't there a pointer to the national ubuntu channels in the topic of #ubuntu?
[12:42] <jdub> because there are buttloads of them ;)
[12:42] <seb128> daniels: it's intentional to point to something not here?
[12:42] <tseng> HiddenWolf: you could make/find an appropriate wiki page to link?
[12:43] <jdub> doko: so, updating to 1.0.2 is beyond my meagre skills :)
[12:43] <daniels> seb128: if x-common isn't installed already, install it
[12:43] <daniels> seb128: if it is, then something went badly wrong
[12:43] <seb128> daniels: it's installed
[12:43] <HiddenWolf> tseng, I might
[12:43] <seb128> ii x-common 1.05 common files for X implementations
[12:43] <daniels> seb128: 'then something went badly wrong'
[12:43] <seb128> grumpf, k
[12:43] <daniels> seb128: /usr/bin/X11 should point to /usr/bin
[12:44] <Kamion> daniels: there's a batch of xorg uninstallables on http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/testing/breezy_probs.html still; have you looked into them yet, or shall I?
[12:44] <seb128> daniels:
[12:44] <seb128> $ ll /usr/bin | grep X11
[12:44] <seb128> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 2005-08-06 13:56 X -> ../X11R6/bin/X
[12:44] <seb128> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2005-07-27 20:23 X11
[12:44] <seb128> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 2005-08-06 13:56 Xorg -> ../X11R6/bin/Xorg
[12:45] <daniels> Kamion: let me get some sugar to prop myself up and sort it out, 'k
[12:45] <jdub> (the bed in this hotel is *extremely* comfortable)
[12:45] <john6000> can you make a update which changes grub? (if its not too hard)
[12:45] <john6000> :-)
[12:45] <doko> jdub: yep, maybe that can be done after feature freeze as a bug fix ...
[12:45] <john6000> ok
[12:45] <john6000> ty
[12:45] <hmrocha> hi
[12:46] <daniels> oh
[12:46] <hmrocha> breezy has some problems with keyboard mappings
[12:46] <hmrocha> after the upgrade, i've some characters
[12:46] <hmrocha> i'm using a pt layout
[12:46] <daniels> Kamion: i suspect that xb-c and xutils are uninstallable because they're still in NEW, maybe? x-w-s-c depends on them
[12:46] <hmrocha> and i can type braces or brackets for example
[12:46] <daniels> Kamion: failing that, I suppose more complete output would be nice
[12:47] <ogra> jdub, try not to snore to loud into the channel please :)
[12:47] <chz> hello
[12:47] <Mithrandir> doko: hm, sed-ing seemed to work
[12:48] <chz> never knew bout this channel, got referred by hmrocha from #ubuntu...having issues with breezy upgrade and understand that X is still very buggy....true..?
[12:48] <Kamion> daniels: sorry, nothing in NEW
[12:48] <Kamion> chz: this isn't a help channel, I'm afraid
[12:49] <chz> Kamion: o...ok
[12:49] <jordi> does anyone know if there's some effort from the Ubuntu folks to fix all the bugs in VEra and maybe get them release a new version?
[12:49] <Kamion> daniels: xbase-clients Depends: xprop, xutils Depends: sessreg
[12:50] <Kamion> daniels: xprop's in universe, I'll fix that now
[12:50] <Kamion> sessreg is nowhere
[12:50] <doko> Mithrandir: ok, let's put this on a list, however that won't make it for feature freeze
[12:50] <daniels> Kamion: thanks. i'm working on sessreg now, just got to sort out a couple of fun political issues.
[12:50] <Mithrandir> doko: ok, I'll just upload ooo-amd64 for now
[12:50] <chz> Kamion: curious..what is this channel for ?
[12:50] <Kamion> daniels: is it today/tomorrow kind of material
[12:50] <Kamion> chz: development
[12:51] <Kamion> s/material/material?/
[12:51] <doko> daniels: if debconf priority is set to low, I'm ask for the xserver settings three times on an upgrade
[12:51] <daniels> Kamion: i set it as a 'if you guys can't come up with anything compelling within the next couple of hours, I'm going to do it anyway'
[12:51] <Kamion> chz: i.e. coordination among developers, discussion of bug-fixes and code for new features, etc.
[12:51] <Kamion> daniels: cool
[12:51] <daniels> doko: lies. lies and deceit.
[12:52] <daniels> Kamion: any compelling objections, of course
[12:52] <Kamion> doko: s/low/low or medium/
[12:52] <daniels> and which settings?
[12:52] <chz> Kamion: towards Ubuntu distro...or applications?
[12:52] <daniels> i want to know which versions you're upgrading from and to
[12:52] <daniels> and which templates are getting asked
[12:52] <Kamion> chz: mostly distro, but whatever's necessary
[12:52] <hmrocha> is it easy to fix the keyboard issues?
[12:52] <Kamion> daniels: for me it happens on every single upgrade; e.g. both -44 to -45 and -45 to -46
[12:53] <hmrocha> maybe there is some misconfiguration in some keyboard package
[12:53] <Kamion> I get the PCI bus id question at least, afraid I can't remember the exact list
[12:53] <doko> Kamion: low
[12:53] <chz> Kamion: interesting...thanks. i noticed the topic and am interested in helping with development. i will goto #ubuntu-motu as i see you are all busy...thank you anyway... =)
[12:54] <daniels> Kamion: if you can trigger it again and find the exact questions, that would be good
[12:54] <daniels> Kamion: because I cannot reproduce it here
[12:54] <daniels> hmrocha: as kamion says, this is not a support channel
[12:55] <Mithrandir> doko: ok, I'll look at -kde then upload ooo2 in the current state. It's mostly usable
[12:55] <ajmitch> daniels: I see the questions about pci id, & asking if I want to use kernel framebuffer
[12:55] <hmrocha> daniels, i'm trying to work on a development issue here
[12:55] <daniels> ajmitch: thanks
[12:55] <hmrocha> daniels, since hoary was working
[12:56] <daniels> hmrocha: it's not a development issue, it's a user support issue that happens to be with the development *tree*. the two ideas are fundamentally different.
[12:56] <doko> daniels: /Select the desired X server driver/Enter an identifier for your video card/Please enter the video card's bus identifier/RAM size of graphics card/Use Frambuffer?/
[12:56] <Kamion> daniels: hmm, just a thought though, you might try in LANG=de_DE.UTF-8
[12:56] <daniels> doko: thankyou
[12:57] <daniels> i suspect they need some auto_answer akshun
[12:57] <Kamion> hmrocha: daniels posted recently to ubuntu-devel@lists explaining certain things you needed to install
[12:57] <daniels> did I mention that I hate the steaming pile of crap that we inherited in terms of xserver-xorg debconfiscation? and the fact that we made it even worse ...
[12:57] <daniels> Kamion: in german?
[12:58] <Kamion> that was what I happened to be in when it just happened to me, and I'm guessing it's doko's locale, that's all
[12:58] <Kamion> daniels: was one of the metapackages supposed to depend on xkeyboard-config?
[12:58] <Mithrandir> Kamion: well, I've seen it once in a while in nb_NO.UTF8, fwiw
[12:59] <janimo> daniels, I got asked 3 times as well using default locale
[12:59] <daniels> Kamion: x-w-s-c depends on it, xserver-xorg recommends it, and it should also be in the desktop seed
[01:01] <Kamion> daniels: yeah, was wondering if x-w-s-c was low-level enough; that functionality used to be in xlibs-data or something, didn't it?
[01:01] <daniels> Kamion: xlibs, yeah
[01:01] <Kamion> could xlibs depend on it for the upgrade?
[01:01] <ogra> somehow xinit is missing here in my test installs.... is that intentional ?
[01:02] <daniels> Kamion: the reason xlibs didn't eepend on it is because xk-c was pre-depending on xlibs for a while
[01:02] <ogra> it seems not to get pulled in by x-w-s-c
[01:02] <daniels> ogra: no, and it will be fixed when a cd build contains xbase-clients -46
[01:02] <ogra> or any of its deps
[01:02] <Kamion> ogra: should be fixed in about fifteen minutes
[01:02] <ogra> ah, great
[01:02] <Kamion> on the archive, anyway
[01:03] <Kamion> I'll wait for a CD rebuild until we have sessreg, then I can do the whole lot at once
[01:03] <daniels> yeah
[01:04] <doko> Kamion, daniels: I've only LANGUAGE=de_DE:de:en_GB:en , no LANG, no LC_*
[01:04] <Kamion> $ sudo -u katie ./alicia.new slang1a-utf8 optional
[01:04] <Kamion> I: Will change priority from required to optional
[01:04] <Kamion> hooray
[01:04] <ogra> pitti, main inclusion reports are only done for source packages, right ?
[01:05] <pitti> ogra: yes; if not all debs are requested for main, this should be mentioned in the report
[01:05] <ogra> sigh....
[01:09] <Kamion> jdub: cool, if I'm reading this right, that xine-lib upload should be enough to chuck slang1 out of main entirely
[01:09] <daniels> right, so xbase-clients and xutils are now entirely installable here
[01:09] <Kamion> daniels: the xserver-xorg/amd64 one seems to be depending on -driver-atimisc when it isn't built
[01:10] <Kamion> oh, -ati provides it
[01:10] <Kamion> I'll reboot into an amd64 system and test
[01:12] <daniels> you're right that it probably shouldn't dep -atimisc though, just -ati
[01:13] <doko> seb128: gnome-menus has a python SyntaxWarning
[01:13] <seb128> doko: I've noticed thankis
[01:15] <jdub> Kamion: YAY!
[01:17] <madduck> anyone seen Keybuk?
[01:17] <doko> Mithrandir: 12893 and 13196 are still present with the new ia32-libs
[01:18] <daniels> Kamion: Uploading via ftp sessreg_0.99.0-1_source.changes: done.
[01:18] <daniels> Successfully uploaded packages.
[01:18] <daniels> Not running dinstall.
[01:18] <jdub> pitti: yay libnotify!
[01:19] <pitti> jdub: ;-) just uploaded g-v-m that actually uses it now
[01:19] <pitti> mvo wants to use it too
[01:19] <Mithrandir> doko: which version of the fglrx driver?
[01:19] <Kamion> daniels: hooray
[01:19] <pitti> (or, I made him want to :-) )
[01:20] <doko> Mithrandir: 6.8.0-8.14.14-0ubuntu3
[01:22] <jdub> pitti: yeah, reacting to upload :)
[01:23] <daniels> Kamion: (now watch it get rejected because I'm a complete meathead and screwed something up)
[01:25] <Nafallo> daniels: xserver-xorg wants xserver-xorg-driver-v4l that is not installable on amd64 (-46).
[01:25] <daniels> Nafallo: that's because it's waiting in binary NEW. either that or I'm a meathead and screwed something up.
[01:26] <janimo> when writing maininclusion wiki pages does every source package need a separate page or can they be put together if they are part of a larger meta?
[01:26] <daniels> i'll take 'i'm a meathead and screwed something up' for $20, dennis
[01:26] <janimo> I am thinking of xfce - same packager, same security record, same upstream
[01:26] <Nafallo> daniels: hehe, oki. great job anyway! :-)
[01:26] <janimo> I see it's done that way with koffice
[01:26] <Kamion> daniels: source looked fine to me anyway, processed
[01:26] <daniels> janimo: koffice is a single source package
[01:27] <Kamion> daniels: you can't end up with just one binary from a source package in NEW, it's all or nothing ...
[01:27] <daniels> Mithrandir: the dude who did it for debian ... flavio?
[01:27] <janimo> I see it depends on kivio & co
[01:27] <janimo> aren't those implicitely requested by that page?
[01:27] <Mithrandir> doko: can you remove the xorg-driver-fglrx then add it again and see if it solves the problem?
[01:27] <Lathiat> what is with kde and big fat source packages
[01:28] <janimo> kivio,kword,krita,kspread are all built from same source?hmm, ok
[01:28] <daniels> yes
[01:29] <janimo> so returning to my question separate pages for separate source pkgs? (about a dozen)
[01:30] <hmrocha> daniels, i upgraded to the last breezy, my keyboard is working again
[01:30] <daniels> Kamion: thanks for shoving it through. i'm going to go pass out on the couch or some shit.
[01:30] <janimo> daniels, btw are there already known screenblack issues with libvgahw or should I file a bug? Using trident
[01:30] <Mithrandir> Riddell: if you want to have ia32-libs-kde you need to have a kde which doesn't fall over if you look at it. :-/
[01:30] <janimo> I saw debian had some miscompilation problem on that module a while back
[01:31] <_d4vid> play Sido - Fuffies Im Club.mp3
[01:33] <doko> Mithrandir: no, only if I deinstall the driver, make the ia32-libs update, and then reinstall the driver
[01:33] <Mithrandir> doko: ok, that's right. The driver is broken and should be fixed, then.
[01:34] <Mithrandir> doko: I can do that, but it looked right from the first skim
[01:37] <doko> Mithrandir: ok, not that important, doesn't effect the buildds
[01:43] <Mithrandir> Riddell: ping?
[01:43] <DanielN> seb128, ping
[01:45] <seb128> DanielN: pong
[01:48] <DanielN> did you tried the published patch on gnome bugzilla? (the keyboard thing)
[01:50] <seb128> nop
[01:50] <seb128> what bug is that? the crasher when adding new layout?
[01:51] <Amaranth> *boggle*
[01:51] <Amaranth> python2.4-apt build-deps on python2.3 and python2.3-dev
[01:52] <seb128> lol
[01:52] <DanielN> seb128, yes tat one
[01:52] <seb128> it doesn't crash here
[01:52] <seb128> so no point to try a patch
[01:52] <DanielN> and the patch don't work... it says that only garbage is in the input file :)
[01:52] <DanielN> so i can't test it too
[02:00] <Mez> pitti: you still around?
[02:00] <pitti> Mez: yes
[02:00] <pitti> Mez: it's only 2pm here :-)
[02:00] <Mez> pitti: I'm having lots and lots of problems with thunderbird and enigmail - It's crashing all over the place
[02:01] <Mez> pitti: yeah, but you could have gone the pub for lunch or somehting
[02:01] <Mithrandir> Mez: no, I haven't done guifications yet.
[02:01] <Mez> Mithrandir, that's ok :D
[02:01] <pitti> Kamion: there is a new upstream microrelease for notification-daemon (still universe, but scheduled for main); it incorporates my patches and fixes two other smal bugs; I reviewed the complete diff (not much). Permission to breaUVF?
[02:02] <Riddell> Mithrandir: hi
[02:02] <pitti> Mez: me too, ffox and moz crash, too since recently
[02:02] <janimo> any way to tell apt-cache to only provide info about latest packages, not also on the ones installed
[02:02] <Mez> pitti: I just realised I should be talking to infinity not you :D
[02:02] <Mez> pitti, my FF is working fine, just my thunderbird sint
[02:02] <Mithrandir> Riddell: hi, there you are. It appears that the style loader in KDE becomes slightly unhappy when mixing 32 and 64 bit stuff.
[02:03] <pitti> Mez: so far we don't have an official moz maintainer
[02:03] <Mez> pitti: fair enough :D but we need one... cause thunderbird is getting ridiculous
[02:03] <pitti> agreed
[02:03] <Mez> It's crashing neaar enough every time I try and send an email
[02:04] <Mez> pitti: asac doesnt want to jump on the ubuntu train I presume?
[02:04] <pitti> no idea
[02:05] <Mez> pitti: I'm gonna try building 1.06-3 from debian
[02:05] <Mez> see if that works any better
[02:06] <pitti> would be interesting to compare the patches
[02:06] <pitti> tbird has a proper patch system which makes this easy
[02:06] <Riddell> Mithrandir: hmm, not sure what to say to that. style loader can get very tempremental about having been compiled with exact same version of gcc as qt, it should default back to a win95 style though
[02:07] <janimo> pitti do you know if building a non-gnome enabled ff package would be troublesome?
[02:07] <Mez> pitti: be interesting to see if the damn thing WORKS
[02:07] <pitti> janimo: no, sorry
[02:07] <Mithrandir> Riddell: ok, and you're fine with that, if ooo2-amd64 looks win95 style?
[02:09] <Riddell> Mithrandir: what is 32 bit and what is 64 bit here?
[02:09] <Mithrandir> Riddell: ooo2 is 32 bit, rest of the system is 64 bit.
[02:09] <Mithrandir> that is ooo2 and any libs it needs.
[02:10] <Riddell> Mithrandir: so qt and kdelibs are 32 bit?
[02:10] <Mithrandir> they exist in both 32 and 64 bit versions, yes
[02:10] <Mithrandir> elmo: please nuke the ia32-libs-kde 1 upload, it broke.
[02:11] <Riddell> Mithrandir: which style are you set to use?
[02:12] <Mithrandir> Riddell: no idea, I just installed kubuntu-desktop, made a test user and logged in in "KDE" through gdm.
[02:12] <seb128> pitti: libnotify is main now?
[02:12] <pitti> seb128: I added inclusion reports and g-v-m depends on it
[02:12] <Riddell> Mithrandir: you need a version of qt, kdelibs and kde-style-lipstik all compiled with the same gcc version (and presumably all 32 bit)
[02:12] <pitti> seb128: gnome-power and update-notifer want it, too
[02:13] <seb128> pitti: k, so I can make gnome-applets using it now?
[02:13] <pitti> yes
[02:13] <seb128> cool, you rock
[02:13] <pitti> hehe :-)
[02:13] <pitti> seb128: upstream fixed n-d upstream now
[02:13] <Mithrandir> Riddell: ok, and if I put anything kde-style-lipstik needs in /usr/lib32 instead of /usr/lib, it'll work?
[02:14] <Riddell> Mithrandir: in theory, yes
[02:14] <janimo> elmo, please sync ecosconfig has the correct wx2.4 depends in debian, thanks
[02:15] <Mithrandir> Riddell: ok, let's see if we can make this pig fly, then.
[02:21] <pef> hello
[02:26] <Kamion> pitti: yes, that's fine
[02:29] <seb128> can anybody try what keycode he gets for "volume down" with the gnome keyboard stuff?
[02:29] <seb128> and for "media"
[02:30] <Lathiat> 0xae here
[02:30] <seb128> thanks
[02:30] <seb128> same here
[02:30] <Lathiat> dell inspiron laptop
[02:30] <paolo> seb128, how do you bind them?
[02:30] <seb128> mjg59: is "volume_down 0xa3" a typo? Seems to be 0xae
[02:30] <Lathiat> theres a list of some on the wiki
[02:31] <Lathiat> seb128: its hardware dependant..
[02:31] <seb128> Lathiat: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13050
[02:31] <seb128> Lathiat: are you sure?
[02:31] <Lathiat> seb128: yes, while many may share similarities, it varies wildly
[02:32] <Lathiat> look at one of th ekeyboard packages
[02:32] <seb128> Lathiat: so it doesn't make sense to put defaults?
[02:32] <Lathiat> seb128: you could try and find the "most common"
[02:32] <seb128> how?
[02:32] <Lathiat> get a list of various keycodes
[02:32] <Mithrandir> Riddell: that was a theory. It didn't appear to hold.
[02:32] <Lathiat> try find similarities
[02:32] <Lathiat> best way to do that
[02:33] <seb128> Lathiat: very funny
[02:33] <Lathiat> is to get one of the other shortcut packages
[02:33] <Lathiat> which have definitions for lots of keyboards
[02:33] <Lathiat> im trying to find one
[02:33] <Lathiat> lieankd, hotkeys
[02:33] <Lathiat> *lineakd, hotkeys
[02:34] <Lathiat> fortunately mine matches that list apart from 0xa3
[02:35] <seb128> same here
[02:36] <Lathiat> i can tell you what my two normal keyboards have later this week
[02:36] <mjg59> seb128: Looks like it, yes
[02:36] <mjg59> Sorry, my mistake
[02:36] <seb128> np, don't worry
[02:36] <Lathiat> it'd rock if the volume buttons worked in gdm. :)
[02:36] <Lathiat> or there was a mute button, or something
[02:36] <Lathiat> for like, logging in in a lecture
[02:37] <mjg59> Lathiat: The idea is to use hotkey-setup to map other keyboards to the "standard" (read "Microsoft") mappings
[02:37] <Lathiat> mjg59: ah cool
[02:38] <seb128> mjg59: what key is "music"?
[02:38] <paolo> Here 0xae matches volum down.
[02:39] <seb128> I've a "media" key "0xed" here
[02:39] <mjg59> seb128: Hrm. Probably launch music player.
[02:39] <seb128> mjg59: no, but the key .. is that a different of "media"?
[02:40] <seb128> my keyboard has few multimedia keys
[02:40] <mjg59> seb128: Unsure
[02:40] <rob^^^> that reminds me, Ive got a couple of keys that aren't recognized for binding purposes on my keyboard
[02:40] <rob^^^> in the config utility, if I press it, it just sits there waiting for me to press a key
[02:40] <seb128> mjg59: k, let's say the media is different from music
[02:41] <rob^^^> I think calculator, logoff, and sleep but im in OS X for now...
[02:41] <Riddell> Mithrandir: what does this give you `strings /usr/lib/kde3/plugins/styles/lipstik.so | grep -i build`
[02:41] <Riddell> s/lib/lib32/ presumably
[02:42] <rob^^^> my keyboard does have both "My Music" and "Media" keys
[02:43] <seb128> mjg59: k, I'm uploading the package
[02:43] <mjg59> seb128: Rock, thanks
[02:43] <seb128> rob^^^: is music "0xbc"?
[02:43] <seb128> mjg59: np, thank you for the list
[02:44] <rob^^^> seb: I can check, but I'd need to reboot. Is that okay?
[02:44] <seb128> rob^^^: don't bother
[02:45] <rob^^^> "Microsoft Wireless
[02:45] <seb128> rob^^^: the value is probably fine, I've uploaded with it ... we can fix it with an another version if somebody notice an issue
[02:45] <rob^^^> err "Microsoft Wireless Natural MultiMedia Keyboard" (accidentally hit enter turning it over)
[02:46] <rob^^^> (btw, it's a good keyboard)
[02:46] <Lathiat> ugh those natural stupid pos
[02:46] <rob^^^> I'v been toying about trying to hack up to cheap ergonomic keyboards to create to independent bluetooth keyboard halfs
[02:47] <rob^^^> Natural is good. I'm mad they don't make a USB natural anymore though
[02:47] <rob^^^> also you can get em for <$20, so thats a plus
[02:47] <sladen> http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/kbd/scancodes-5.html and http://www.nirvani.net/docs/Microsoft_natural_multimedia_keyboard_scancodes.html
[02:48] <rob^^^> why were sleep and friends not being assigned then? Are those in a reserved range or something?
[02:51] <rob^^^> btw, there are a bunch of xml files in /System/Library/Keyboard\ Layouts on 10.4 that might prove helpful to someone
[02:52] <rob^^^> can't assign those keys in OS X either
[02:53] <rob^^^> http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn2002/tn2056.html has more info
[02:54] <Lathiat> yeh lineakd has similar
[02:54] <Lathiat> and hotkeys
[03:18] <Kamion> oh, bugger
[03:19] <Kamion> libdps1 was only built from xfree86, and is now removed
[03:19] <Kamion> but libmagick6 depends on it
[03:19] <lu|sleep> could someone approve my non-member post to ubuntu-devel@ from last night?
[03:20] <Kamion> seb128: could you please rebuild gnome-applets and gnome-system-monitor against libwnck18?
[03:21] <ogra> lu|sleep, try to wake up jdub or get mako to do it
[03:22] <lu|sleep> they are the only two moderators? OK.
[03:23] <lu|sleep> mako should be awake, he has no excuse ;)
[03:24] <ogra> heh
[03:24] <rob^^^> some of these mails from -devel are rather sad "if we remove the workspace switcher app from the default panel there will be no reason for anyone to use Ubuntu! It will be Windows!"
[03:24] <Amaranth> jdub is still on the west coast?
[03:25] <seb128> Kamion: sure
[03:25] <lu|sleep> Amaranth: LWE DF
[03:25] <lu|sleep> s/DF/SF?
[03:25] <lu|sleep> s/DF/SF/
[03:25] <Amaranth> whatever you just said
[03:25] <lu|sleep> he is at linux world expo san francisco
[03:26] <mako> lu|sleep: hey
[03:26] <mako> lu|sleep: i am awake.. but still pre-coffee
[03:27] <lu|sleep> mako: I have a perfect task for someone not yet sentient
[03:27] <lu|sleep> mako: I emailed ubuntu-devel last night,but am not subscribed; could you pull my email out of the queue?
[03:27] <mako> lu|sleep: sure.. what's your email?
[03:27] <lu|sleep> [email protected]
[03:28] <mako> lu|sleep: cool
[03:28] <lu|sleep> subject 'breezy liveCD issues' I believe
[03:28] <mako> lu|sleep: i'll approve all future email from you too
[03:29] <mako> lu|sleep: why don't you subscribe
[03:29] <mako> lu|sleep: you know you can subscribe and then select to not recieve mail
[03:29] <lu|sleep> oh, hrm, had forgotten about that option
[03:29] <mako> well, it's a bit, er, counterintuitive
[03:29] <mako> that tends to be a smart option
[03:29] <mako> ubuntu-devel is better than most
[03:29] <mako> i've not followed debian-devel actively in a long time
[03:30] <lu|sleep> it still looks pretty high traffic, though admittedly traffic I'm curious about
[03:31] <rob^^^> lu: I dont have a problem with it, the key is to have your filters set up right to et it out of your inbox
[03:31] <rob^^^> I still haven't changed my subscription mode to devel from digest though
[03:31] <lu|sleep> rob^^^: I won't read it, and I don't like being on lists I don't read
[03:32] <lu|sleep> no matter how well filtered it is
[03:32] <Kamion> seb128: thanks. that's two of the three ubuntu-desktop uninstallables, and I'm fixing the other one now
[03:32] <lu|sleep> (and I don't really believe in filters, either, except for bugmail, since it again leads to lists that don't get read)
[03:32] <Lathiat> hrm
[03:32] <Lathiat> i filter things
[03:32] <Lathiat> makes it easy to look for specific things
[03:32] <Lathiat> i dont really care to read all mail to the lists im on
[03:33] <lu|sleep> if you need filtering to look for specific things, that means your mail software has poor searching :)
[03:33] <Lathiat> i just pick things out that look relevant or interesting, and if someone mentions something i can pull it up later
[03:33] <Lathiat> lu|sleep: no it means i already have all my lists split out, no need to setup a bunch of views or searches or whatever and then i can easily, on either mutt or evolution or thunderbird or webmail read through what i want
[03:33] <Lathiat> (i read my mail with imap)
[03:39] <mako> lu|sleep: cool, message approved
[03:42] <Mithrandir> Riddell: buildkey=i686 Linux g++-4.* full-config
[03:43] <lu|sleep> mako: thanks
[03:43] <Riddell> Mithrandir: and `strings /usr/lib32/libqt-mt.so | grep i686`
[03:43] <Mithrandir> Riddell: i686 Linux g++-4.* full-config
[03:43] <Mithrandir> Riddell: that's not the problem, it doesn't complain, but it doesn't work either.
[03:43] <Mithrandir> Riddell: it complained before
[03:45] <Riddell> Mithrandir: so its still defaulting to win95 style?
[03:45] <Mithrandir> Riddell: yes
[03:46] <Riddell> Mithrandir: try rm -r ~/.kde ~/.kderc ~/.qt and then launching openoffice
[03:46] <pvanhoof> how secure would it be if I upgrade my breezy today? will xserver still work? :)
[03:47] <pvanhoof> or is the xserver packager dude still not finished with his changes?
[03:47] <pvanhoof> and/or how "unfinished" is it?
[03:47] <pvanhoof> -- if I can get it working without having to recompile an X11 server/implementation, it's okay --
[03:48] <Kamion> a few things are uninstallable and are being worked on, but it's mostly fine
[03:48] <pvanhoof> Kamion, aha ok. But it's not "important" things today?
[03:49] <pvanhoof> so I'll get my X environment up and running?
[03:49] <Mithrandir> Riddell: it's a fresh user.
[03:49] <pvanhoof> A few weeks ago I first had to fix a few xfonts problems .. I can manage such problems :p
[03:49] <pvanhoof> but if the x package this time removes all bins in my /usr/bin/X11 :)
[03:49] <Kamion> pvanhoof: nothing big, no
[03:49] <pvanhoof> that wouldn't be cool
[03:50] <pvanhoof> ok
[03:50] <Riddell> Mithrandir: if you start kcontrol in appearance and themes->styles what is available?
[03:50] <pvanhoof> going to upgrade the x-* packages tomorrow then ..
[03:50] <pvanhoof> :)
[03:50] <Kamion> pvanhoof: you might have to do a second install pass to cope with a small file overwrite bug in xserver-xorg / xserver-xorg-core
[03:50] <pvanhoof> Kamion, doable :
[03:50] <pvanhoof> :)
[03:50] <Kamion> but that's just "run apt-get dist-upgrade twice"
[03:51] <pvanhoof> I'm atm installing some of the trivial upgrades .. like the gstreamer ones etcetera :)
[03:51] <pvanhoof> you guys have been working hard for the last three/four weeks :)
[03:51] <pvanhoof> lol
[03:51] <Mithrandir> Riddell: loads, lipstik is the chosen one.
[03:52] <Mithrandir> Riddell: and, it appears it doesn't open anything matching lib32, but it's kinda hard to see because strace is icky
[03:54] <Riddell> Mithrandir: try setting to plastik and see if openoffice loads with that
[03:58] <Mithrandir> Riddell: hmm, it did then just complain about the buildstring.
[03:58] <Mithrandir> Riddell: I'll hack around it.
[03:58] <pitti_> seb128: do you know which part of gnome starts esd with the session?
[03:58] <pitti_> seb128: I would like to change esd to autospawn by default, but the esd started by gnome session does not time out automatically
[03:58] <Riddell> Mithrandir: what sort of hack?
[03:59] <Mithrandir> Riddell: override open, I think.
[03:59] <Mithrandir> similar to the pangohack in -gtk
[04:00] <seb128> pitti_: gnome-session starts it
[04:01] <seb128> pitti_: have you changed the autospawn key for /etc/esound/esd.conf ?
[04:02] <pitti_> seb128: yes, and if I kill esd, then the following spawned esds work fine
[04:02] <pitti_> seb128: the manpage says that autospawn is not recommended for sound events
[04:02] <pitti_> seb128: but without autospawn I have a dilemma
[04:03] <pitti_> seb128: if I remove the default device, esd still has an open connection to it, and thus the module is not unloaded and I don't get a hotplug notification
[04:03] <pitti_> seb128: after I kill esd, then the modules are freed, and the device disappears
[04:04] <pitti_> seb128: but I can't react to a removed device wihtout any hotplug notification
[04:04] <pitti_> seb128: polypaudio solves this, but it's too late for breezy
[04:05] <pitti_> seb128: ah, I think I know what to change, nevermind
[04:12] <seb128> pitti_: what was it?
[04:12] <sivang> jamesh: any news about the lib?
[04:12] <seb128> sivang: did you send it? I didn't get the mail
[04:24] <jbailey> infinity: Eh? What happened?
[04:45] <BenC> anyone know how to get back the ctrl+alt+Fn behavior in breezy's X?
[04:45] <BenC> doesn't let me switch back to a vt like it should
[04:47] <mdke> you need to sort out your xkb probably
[04:48] <mdke> see this thread: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-August/009421.html
[04:48] <BenC> thanks
[04:49] <Kamion> BenC: a dist-upgrade should sort it out, too
[04:50] <Kamion> as of the last couple of hours
[04:50] <BenC> ok
[04:57] <BenC> yeah, that works now
[04:58] <john6000> hello i have a suggestion
[04:58] <john6000> in the install can you have a choice of either GRUB or lilo
[04:58] <john6000> it would help everyone a lot
[04:58] <HrdwrBoB> the average user doesn't know or care
[04:59] <john6000> but think of the advantages not disadvantages
[04:59] <mdke> you have to think of both
[04:59] <john6000> ok maybe you do
[05:00] <john6000> you stick with your 0.8 grub even thow version 1 was out well before ubuntu 5.04 so why didnt you just use that?
[05:07] <Kamion> I've sorted out john6000 in /query
[05:15] <skora> nice.
[05:16] <skora> now he's trying to give out incorrect info in the main channel
[05:18] <chmj> shackan, ping
[05:21] <shackan> chmj, boing
[05:25] <pitti> have to leave early today, cu tomorrow!
[05:29] <bddebian> Heya
[05:36] <Mithrandir> jbailey: any idea why I seem unable to override libc functions in an LD_PRELOADed object?
[05:41] <doko> ouch, dpkg segfaults on the amd64 buildd as well ...
[05:43] <\sh> doko: yes...but this is an old symptom...I reported that last week?
[05:59] <WaterSevenUb> is anyone here using firestarter? I need to confirm a bug... in outbound connection events tab, click with the right button of the mouse. In my case, appears the same options as in an inbound event.
[06:01] <WaterSevenUb> at least using a translated firestarter.. not sure if the same happens in pure english. In other words, select "outbound event" - "select with right button of the mouse" , compare the options with those of an "inbound event"
[06:01] <WaterSevenUb> oops.. breezy is universe...
[06:09] <carstenh> WaterSevenUb: LC_MESSAGES=C firestarter should start it in english
[06:26] <mvo> seb128: do you know notification-daemon upstream? are they available on irc?
[06:29] <koke> mvo: isn't it #galago? or it's another different thing?
[06:30] <mvo> koke: I think that's it, thanks
[06:32] <Kamion> damn, dpkg segfaults on the amd64 buildd are going to make my partman->partman-base transition painful
[06:46] <Kamion> jbailey: does initramfs-tools 0.17 fix the install problem I reported?
[06:46] <Kamion> jbailey: I need to make base-installer deal with initramfs-tools all of a sudden, so I need to be able to install it from scratch ;-)
[06:48] <jbailey> Kamion: Dunno. Where's the report?
[06:48] <jbailey> =)
[06:48] <jbailey> Sorry, I'm not up on all my email atm.
[06:48] <Kamion> #13334
[06:49] <Kamion> (also #13335, less important)
[06:49] <jbailey> 13334 is fixed, yes.
[06:50] <Kamion> ah, you ship initramfs.conf but the sed hit mkinitramfs.conf
[06:50] <Kamion> I assume initramfs.conf is right
[06:50] <jbailey> Yup. =)
[06:50] <jbailey> Fixed in 0.17
[06:50] <jbailey> 13335 isn't, but I hadn't hit that one. Hmm
[06:50] <Kamion> ok, will hack up something in base-installer for that
[06:50] <jbailey> I usually drop a blank modules file in at upgrade time, but I suppose the user could delete it.
[06:51] <jbailey> Kamion: Thanks! =)
[06:51] <Kamion> jbailey: is there any equivalent of initrd-tools' DELAY in initramfs-tools
[06:51] <Kamion> ?
[06:51] <jbailey> Kamion: No. If you want to break, just add 'break' to the kernel command line.
[06:52] <jbailey> Kamion: Do you need a delay setting?
[06:52] <Kamion> no, it's just that base-installer was setting DELAY=0 in mkinitrd.conf and I wanted to check the equivalent
[06:52] <jbailey> Ah, makes sense.
[06:52] <Kamion> it also sets ROOT=
[06:52] <Kamion> should I omit that too?
[06:52] <jbailey> Hmm
[06:53] <jbailey> I wonder if it's ever the right thing to have it in the initramfs instead of the kernel command line.
[06:53] <doko> Mithrandir: OOo2 1ubuntu8 should look in /usr/lib32 first
[06:53] <seb128> mvo: ChipX86 on #gnome-hackers on the GNOME IRC ... why ?
[06:53] <Kamion> d-i arranges for it to be on the kernel command line too; if that's enough, that's fine
[06:55] <paolo> To the person mantaining Xorg: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1111
[06:56] <Kamion> paolo: I'm guessing daniels has gone to bed
[06:56] <mdz> ogra: if you're having problems with the ldm password thing and using echo fixes it, you're encountering a unionfs bug
[06:56] <mdz> ogra: the latest ltsp should worka round it
[06:57] <ogra> great
[06:57] <paolo> Kamion, ouch! This is gonna be a problem, I think.
[06:57] <Kamion> paolo: I'm checking now, if it's easy I'll release a quick bugfix
[06:58] <paolo> Kamion, you rock.
[06:58] <ogra> mdz, i have a themed version of ldm running over here... and fixed the cursors a bit last night... building a mousetrap for the window will get a bit trickier...
[06:58] <madduck> mdz: did you see James Blackwell's post to the deity list?
[06:58] <mdz> madduck: no
[06:59] <madduck> mdz: if you have a minute...
[06:59] <mdz> madduck: I am working
[06:59] <madduck> mdz: it's not irrelevant. but take your time...
[06:59] <madduck> http://lists.debian.org/deity/2005/08/msg00087.html
[06:59] <mayco> the new xorg package gives an erro when installing: internal error: auto_answer() called with wrong number of arguments: db_input low xserver-xorg/config/write_files_section
[06:59] <mayco> should I file a bug?
[07:00] <madduck> mdz: i am just not sure that this is in accordance with bzr and hct plans.
[07:00] <Kamion> mayco: paolo just mentioned the same thing, I'm investigating now
[07:00] <mayco> okay
[07:01] <Kamion> madduck: James Blackwell is a Canonical employee; it seems unlikely that it would be wildly out of step
[07:01] <madduck> ok. i did not know. excellent.
[07:01] <mdz> madduck: Bazaar 2 = bzr
[07:01] <madduck> so now there is bzr, baz2, and hct. how the heck to make sense out of all those? :)
[07:01] <madduck> mdz: then it's curious why James didn't just say so.
[07:01] <Kamion> baz is converging with bzr
[07:02] <madduck> that's what i thought.
[07:02] <mdz> madduck: that would be a question for jblack, or #bazaar, or a bazaar mailing list
[07:04] <fabbione> hey guys
[07:04] <fabbione> enjoy the last days without me :)
[07:05] <janimo> hey fabbione, a question:
[07:05] <janimo> is providing vmlinux (no full debug) possible for breezy kernel images?
[07:06] <janimo> needed for oprofile
[07:06] <fabbione> janimo: i am in vac.. don't trust my answers.. my brain is fuly disconnected :)
[07:06] <janimo> it's not the 150M scary package that's been rumored
[07:06] <fabbione> janimo: if i will remember.. i might..
[07:06] <janimo> I am not trusting them ;)
[07:06] <janimo> cool, if I can I'll help
[07:07] <janimo> have a good vac
[07:07] <fabbione> janimo: you might want to look into kernel package. it's the one creating the .debs for the -images-
[07:07] <janimo> ok I will, I just wanted to know if it would be ok or was there a decision against it
[07:08] <fabbione> it shouldn't be an issue...
[07:08] <janimo> I see the bug on debian requesting vmlinux ended unconclusively
[07:08] <fabbione> but if you can gimme a patch, it will be faster
[07:08] <janimo> ok then I put it on my TODO ;)
[07:11] <fabbione> thanks
[07:12] <bddebian> mako is IT? :)
[07:15] <robitaille> "the and a mako it mako"?
[07:16] <mako> robitaille: watch planet in like 10 minutes .. you'll see
[07:20] <jbailey> mako: Quick, everyone ddos mako's blog with the refresh button. =)
[07:21] <mako> jbailey: it won't take all of you :)
[07:22] <dieman> so
[07:22] <mdz> lamont-away,infinity: livefs build on terranova seems busted (stale lockfile?)
[07:22] <dieman> how long do old releases stay in the archive?
[07:23] <dieman> im trying to size out new disks for a machine to move our mirror over to
[07:23] <mattyJ> is mono currently broken in breezy (just want to make sure its not my setup)
[07:25] <infinito> is there any way to make a pkg depend on another source pkg to build?
[07:26] <fabbione> infinito: no
[07:26] <infinito> fabbione: ummm, latest mail-notification needs evolution sources to compile an evo plugin...
[07:28] <fabbione> infinito: are you sure you are not looking for something like evolution-dev ?
[07:28] <Treenaks> Kamion: any news from the sysfs/grep/sed front?
[07:29] <mdz> elmo: could you confirm that no live build is running on terranova, and upon confirmation, rm -f /home/buildd/buildLiveCD.lock ?
[07:29] <infinito> fabbione: i think so... while compiling it looks for some .h files which seems not to be included on evolution-dev
[07:31] <paolo> Kamion, what do you suggest? If I power off the laptop, will xorg be broken when I turn it up again? I mean, should I wait for the fix or it is not crucial?
[07:32] <fabbione> infinito: it depends what it is looking for.. the includes might a) not shipped b) not be there anymore c) in other -dev packages
[07:33] <infinito> fabbione: i've looked for the files on packages.ubuntu.com search and they seem not to be included in any pkg
[07:34] <fabbione> infinito: than the best thing to do is to talk with the evo maintainer and see why they are not included. Are you 100% sure they come from evo source?
[07:34] <sivang> lol
[07:35] <Kamion> paolo: quick fix: edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xorg.config as root, go to the very end, look for the pair of 'auto_answer db_input' lines, change '||' into 'true ||' on each of those two lines, and run 'dpkg --configure -a'
[07:35] <infinito> fabbione: the files are evolution-2.2.1.1/mail/em-event.h and 3 more in this folder of evo source
[07:35] <fabbione> infinito: than talk to the evo maintainer.
[07:36] <fabbione> these files might not be shipped because they are not supposed to expose private evo interfaces
[07:36] <Kamion> xorg fix uploading, anyway
[07:37] <Kamion> infinito: packages.ubuntu.com isn't always up to date (not its fault, we only generate the Contents files it needs a bit irregularly)
[07:37] <paolo> Kamion, do you mean the "true" part of this? auto_answer db_input "$(priority_ceil $PRIORITY)" xserver-xorg/autodetect_video_card "true"
[07:37] <Kamion> paolo: wrong line
[07:37] <Kamion> paolo: you're looking for xserver-xorg/config/write_files_section and xserver-xorg/config/write_dri_section
[07:37] <Kamion> but "true" in that position, yes
[07:37] <infinito> Kamion: is there any way to look for a file between packages other than this?
[07:38] <Kamion> infinito: not really
[07:42] <paolo> auto_answer db_input "$(priority_ceil $PRIORITY)" xserver-xorg/autodetect_keyboard "$AUTODETECT_KB" || debug_echo "db_input xserver-xorg/autodetect_keyboard" ?
[07:42] <paolo> Kamion, I think line numbers would be better :-)
[07:43] <Kamion> paolo: yeah but deriving those from the source was tricky, and I was in a hurry :)
[07:43] <Kamion> paolo: it's *right* at the end
[07:43] <Kamion> paolo: lines 2048 and 2049
[07:44] <paolo> 2048 is empty, 2049 is #vim:set ai et sts=2 sw=2 tw=80
[07:46] <mvo> Kamion: permission to upload notification-daemon? it fixes a bug in the arrow placement when the target x-coordinate is set to the far right corner
[07:51] <elmo> mdz: done
[07:51] <Kamion> mvo: yes
[07:51] <paolo> Kamion, how is the fix going to reach local apt?
[07:52] <Kamion> paolo: meh, it might be somewhere else while partially configured. I've uploaded a fix, it's building
[07:58] <mdz> elmo: thanks much
[08:00] <paolo> Kamion, the mail hit breezy-change, good!
[08:00] <paolo> changes, even
[08:04] <pef> bye !
[08:04] <pef> !bye
[08:06] <paolo> To anybody on breezy - does xfont-terminus work for you?
[08:07] <robitaille> mako... now your nick-changing act makes sense :)
[08:10] <mako> robitaille: it all makes sense eventually
[08:14] <mdz> Kamion: thanks for the xorg fix; just noticed that it broke the livefs build
[08:43] <mdz> if $FANCYTTY; then
[08:43] <mdz> that isn't valid posix sh, is it?
[08:43] <mdz> where $FANCYTTY is 1 or 0
[08:43] <Kamion> no; if $FANCYTTY were : or false, it would be
[08:44] <Kamion> (idiom for doing booleans in shell without having to fork [)
[08:46] <shaya> /usr/include/evolution-2.4/mail/mail-component.h:31:28: error: Evolution-Mail.h: No such file or directory
[08:46] <shaya> seems to be a bug in evolution-dev package
[08:53] <Kamion> mdz: for the purposes of UE review, does the installer team consist of more than me? :)
[08:53] <Kamion> I'm just worried about being a blocker, considering my busyness level right now
[08:55] <mdz> Kamion: that shell snippet was from the new lsb in experimental which attempts to merge our changes
[08:55] <mdz> but as far as I can tell it has no chance of working at all in its current form
[08:57] <Kamion> mdz: didn't lsb in unstable take our lsb-base ages ago?
[08:58] <mdz> Kamion: hmm, so it did. though we still have a diff relative to unstable, and experimental makes other changes
[08:59] <mdz> oh, the version in experimental is older than unstable
[08:59] <mdz> unstable seems to fix the syntax
[09:01] <Kamion> indeed, should be NVIU'ed
[09:04] <Kamion> lamont-away,infinity: please give-back partman-base once the chroot is fixed; that's a somewhat delicate transition there and I want to get it through
[09:04] <Kamion> lamont-away,infinity: er, on amd64, that is
[09:13] <Mithrandir> doko: ok, is it uploaded?
[09:15] <Kamion> jbailey: just as a thought, would it be worth attempting to fetch RESUME from mkinitrd.conf in initramfs-tools' postinst?
[09:15] <Kamion> migration, and all that
[09:16] <marcin> hi all
[09:16] <marcin> I got a question about general packaging procedure
[09:16] <marcin> do you guys got some tools to build packages recursively?
[09:17] <bddebian> Oh no, he's back :-)
[09:17] <marcin> bddebian: hi :D
[09:17] <Kamion> packages don't contain other packages, so there's no concept of recursion involved
[09:17] <doko> Mithrandir: uploaded, but the build did fail ... the uno bridge now fails to build ...
[09:18] <marcin> Kamion: right but I mean something to build a bunch of packages at once
[09:18] <Kamion> you could try pbuilder
[09:18] <Kamion> we use wanna-build/buildd/sbuild, but it's much more effort to set up; pbuilder is more designed for personal use
[09:18] <Mithrandir> doko: ok, can you prod me once a working version is in the archive?
[09:18] <marcin> I need to build a lot (about 400) packages with simmilar content
[09:18] <Kamion> normally such things would all be built from a single source package
[09:19] <Mithrandir> elmo: can you nuke the b0rked ia32-libs-kde upload for me, please?
[09:19] <Kamion> if that is not possible, you're mostly on your own because that's quite an unusual thing to do
[09:19] <Kamion> Mithrandir: I've done so
[09:20] <Kamion> assuming you meant the orphaned .dsc in queue/unchecked/
[09:20] <Mithrandir> Kamion: yes, thanks.
[09:20] <marcin> Kamion: hmmm and how you guys synchronize your packages with debian repositories?
[09:21] <marcin> Kamion: you do all 'manually' ?
[09:21] <Mithrandir> marcin: no, it's usually done automatically, if we don't have any changes wrt the debian version
[09:22] <Kamion> if we do have changes, there's a tool called merge-o-matic that files bugs against the packages for us with suggested merge output
[09:22] <marcin> Mithrandir: you got some scripts or specific tools to perform this synchronization?
[09:22] <Kamion> developers then review that output, tweak as necessary (or sometimes redo from scratch) and upload
[09:23] <Kamion> but it's not rocket science, it's just three-way diff and patch application
[09:23] <Mithrandir> marcin: yes, there's a tool which compares. I don't think it's available, but it should be fairly trivial to write one which does the same. Note that the merge-o-matic is another piece of machinery which is more complicated.
[09:23] <Mithrandir> Kamion: and some attempts at extraction of different parts, AIUI
[09:25] <marcin> Mithrandir: hmmm what machinery?
[09:25] <Mithrandir> marcin: merge-o-matic, as Kamion just described
[09:26] <Kamion> merge output publication, bugzilla interaction, that sort of thing
[09:26] <Kamion> it's all fairly boring scriptage I think
[09:29] <paolo> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1115 do you know what it could be? (I'm on an USB2 external drive breezy installation, I use initrd to load the usb modules)
[09:31] <Kamion> paolo: the kernel just switched from initrd to initramfs, and base-installer doesn't support that yet. I'm working on it at this very moment.
[09:32] <Kamion> but it will take me some hours
[09:32] <paolo> Kamion, nice. I can't reboot yet, so :-)
[09:33] <Kamion> paolo: oh, is this in the middle of a fresh installation, or are you upgrading?
[09:33] <paolo> The former. I'm keeping it upgraded to the bleeding edge because I need this terminus font and I hope for xorg eating it at some point.
[09:34] <Kamion> you're keeping it upgraded by repeatedly reinstalling? :)
[09:34] <paolo> no no :-D update/upgrade/dist-upgrade
[09:34] <Kamion> so then you mean "the latter", not "the former"
[09:35] <paolo> Sorry I misunderstood previously - I mean it's not an upgrade from hoary or something.
[09:35] <Kamion> right, I'm asking whether you're actually in the installer right now
[09:35] <paolo> Nope, the system is installed and I have rebooted it before this last xorg upgrades.
[09:35] <Kamion> ok, disregard what I said, then
[09:35] <Kamion> is initramfs-tools installed?
[09:36] <paolo> Nope.
[09:37] <Kamion> Hah, somebody forgot to update linux-image-*'s dependencies.
[09:37] <paolo> I like being helpful :-)
[09:37] <Kamion> jbailey: ^-- linux-image-*'s depends needs to change from initrd-tools to initramfs-tools
[09:38] <paolo> Kamion, is there any doc about it? I have found some HOWTO on ubuntuforums about how to make this external USB2 harddrive installation work.
[09:38] <paolo> But it only talked about mkinitrd.
[09:38] <mdz> Kamion: didn't it?
[09:39] <mdz> oh, it didn't
[09:39] <mdz> I had it installed already
[09:39] <Kamion> paolo: it's very new, and I haven't even had time to look at it much myself yet
[09:39] <mdz> Kamion: why should base-installer need to care, if the dependencies are correct?
[09:39] <Kamion> mdz: because base-installer needs to put the resume partition into initramfs.conf
[09:39] <mdz> ah
[09:40] <Kamion> mdz: in order to do that, it first has to install mkinitramfs-tools
[09:40] <Kamion> (so that the template config file is there)
[09:40] <mdz> I thought initramfs-tools did that itself
[09:40] <Kamion> it tries, but it doesn't have as much information
[09:41] <Kamion> well, theoretically at least. in practice the code is similar at the moment, but I can easily imagine partman hooks to let the user identify the resume partition
[09:41] <Kamion> perhaps in automatic installs
[09:42] <Kamion> base-installer's fiddling is more relevant for initrd-tools really, but at the very least I'd have to disable it
[09:42] <Kamion> and while I'm there anyway, it's not very difficult to make it do the analogous initramfs things
[09:43] <mdz> for some reason I thought /etc/exports wasn't a conffile, but it is. I'll need to do something about that for ltsp
[09:52] <mdke> Simira, nice work on the Tshirts :D
[09:53] <mdz> argh, livefs builds still broken
[09:53] <mdz> Setting up ubuntu-artwork (0.2.24-1) ...
[09:53] <mdz> update-alternatives: unable to make /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/icons/default/index.theme.dpkg-tmp a symlink to /etc/alternatives/x-cursor-theme: No such file or directory
[09:56] <paolo> Kamion, is there a specific reason because there is no "xfontsel" in every xorg released today?
[09:57] <Kamion> paolo: probably still being modularised; the answer is the same for most missing binaries from xorg
[09:58] <Simira> mdke: thanks :)
[09:59] <paolo> Kamion, do you know how can I safely switch to the previous kernel? So that I could reboot without messing with initramfs.
[09:59] <Kamion> paolo: you can just install the initramfs-tools package and the kernel should then configure cleanly
[10:00] <paolo> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[10:00] <paolo> busybox-cvs-initramfs initramfs-tools klibc-utils libklibc
[10:00] <paolo> OK...
[10:00] <Kamion> yes
[10:00] <mdke> Simira, do you envisage the thing becoming a fundraising initiative for Ubuntu?
[10:02] <paolo> Kamion, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1116 any clues about what it did?
[10:02] <Kamion> mdz: looks like I should replace initrd-tools in the minimal seed with initramfs-tools, and bump initrd-tools out to supported?
[10:02] <mdz> Kamion: why was initrd-tools seeded anyway?
[10:03] <mdz> Kamion: I'm about to change the deps in l-s-2.6.12 unless you've already done it...
[10:03] <Kamion> mdz: no, I haven't; possibly because we explicitly avoid considering the kernel packages in debootstrap, so it avoids confusion to seed their deps
[10:03] <Kamion> paolo: interesting
[10:04] <mdke> mjg59, around?
[10:04] <Simira> mdke : I haven't really thought about it yet. I just provide t-shirts :p
[10:04] <Kamion> paolo: that will stop happening once the kernel image properly depends on initramfs-tools, because apt won't try to configure the kernel image while initramfs-tools is only unpacked as opposed to configured
[10:05] <Kamion> paolo: nevertheless, it appears to have recovered successfully
[10:05] <Kamion> paolo: (as I would expect)
[10:05] <mdke> Simira, ok, but you must have thought about how much to charge right?
[10:05] <paolo> Kamion, good - so are you saying it kept my configuration about initrd?
[10:05] <Kamion> paolo: no, it's built an initramfs
[10:06] <paolo> Kaloz, which I need to configure?
[10:06] <Kamion> congratulations, you're a tester :)
[10:06] <paolo> I'm very pleased to help - I hope it compensates the begging I did here :-)
[10:07] <paolo> Furthermore I need the newer Gtk for my summer of code project, so messing with the bleeding edge was expected :-)
[10:07] <Kamion> might want to check that your grub configuration refers to it properly
[10:07] <Simira> mdke: sure. I take as little as possible, so it's mostly the cost of printing them and shipping. A little revenue goes to further t-shirt orders. If I'd make a webshop of it in time, a part will go back to Ubuntu.
[10:08] <Kamion> actually, it should be fine
[10:08] <paolo> initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-6-386
[10:08] <Kamion> I'm just rebooting my own test system now
[10:08] <Kamion> yeah, that's actually an initramfs despite the name
[10:08] <mdke> Simira, yeah, i reckon if Ubuntu was interested, you could charge a little more
[10:08] <paolo> Cool.
[10:08] <mdke> Simira, anyway, thanks a bunch for doing it
[10:09] <Simira> :)
[10:09] <Kamion> I get a ton of "sed: Unsupported comand I" on boot, but otherwise it seems fine
[10:09] <paolo> What's wrong with sed.
[10:11] <paolo> By the way, it's a good news.
[10:11] <Kamion> nothing's wrong with sed
[10:11] <paolo> Kamion, do you use any initrd customized options?
[10:11] <Kamion> no
[10:11] <paolo> OK.
[10:11] <Kamion> udev is trying to use a GNU sed feature, which doesn't work with busybox
[10:12] <Kamion> but it's only in cdsymlinks.sh, so it's cosmetic at that stage
[10:12] <paolo> Hmm, udev here does strange things, too
[10:12] <paolo> For example it does not create some devices like /dev/hda* and /dev/hdc* which are respectively the harddrive and the dvddrive of my laptop.
[10:16] <eazel7> hi
[10:16] <eazel7> is sessmgr package missing?
[10:16] <mdz> mjg59: I whipped up an lsb init-functions which talks to usplash, but it looks like the fifo isn't there yet (on the real root)
[10:17] <paolo> eazel7, I've all updated and it seems to not be there, is it a xorg one?
[10:17] <eazel7> paolo yes
[10:17] <eazel7> I updated at home and it was there everything was nice
[10:17] <paolo> eazel7, it could be because of the modularization in act these days.
[10:17] <eazel7> but now it's missing in the space again
[10:17] <eazel7> lost in the space
[10:17] <eazel7> yup... too modularized :-P
[10:18] <paolo> Something is leaking, it will come.
[10:19] <eazel7> paolo stop saying things like that
[10:19] <eazel7> I think on sexual jokes :-P
[10:19] <paolo> Missing? :-)
[10:19] <Kamion> eazel7: sessmgr? do you mean sessreg?
[10:19] <paolo> sessreg is there.
[10:19] <eazel7> Kamion let me see
[10:20] <eazel7> yup
[10:20] <eazel7> sessreg
[10:20] <eazel7> not here =(
[10:20] <Kamion> sessreg is definitely there, I processed it this morning
[10:20] <Kamion> if you're using a mirror other than archive.ubuntu.com, it may not have reached it yet
[10:20] <eazel7> I've seen it at home
[10:20] <eazel7> but now I'm at work and it disappeared =(
[10:20] <paolo> eazel7, update, it's version 0.99.0-1
[10:21] <eazel7> Kamion I was using ar.arch... when I got it, now I changed to archive.ubuntu.com and it disappeared in both
[10:21] <eazel7> I've update a sec ago
[10:21] <Kamion> $ ssh jackass sudo -u katie madison sessreg
[10:21] <Kamion> sessreg | 0.99.0-1 | breezy | source, i386, ia64, powerpc
[10:21] <Kamion> it's most definitely there.
[10:21] <eazel7> don't know how to get it...
[10:21] <eazel7> through the web page
[10:22] <eazel7> it's a way, isn't it?
[10:22] <Kamion> we've determined that it is not missing, so there's no development issue involved; please take the rest to #ubuntu
[10:22] <eazel7> nope, it isn't
[10:37] <paolo> * Update hardcoded initrd-tools dependencies to initramfs-tools
[10:37] <mdz> paolo-changes?
[10:38] <paolo> Would you like a service like that?!
[10:40] <Kamion> I'm fixing that udev warning spewage now; it's easily worked around
[10:40] <paolo> Cool.
[10:48] <mdke> during the install guide, my wifi network was brought up and worked perfectly, but it didn't give me a choice of various AP's around here, just plumped straight for mine. how did it know, and how come I didn't get given a choice?
[10:48] <mdke> s/install guide/install process
[10:48] <Seveas> mdke, pure black magic
[10:48] <ajmitch> it probably looked for the strongest signal
[10:48] <mdke> that's what I figured, i just wanted to check
[10:48] <ajmitch> or luck
[10:49] <Kamion> it tries to do DHCP after association, to check
[10:49] <mdke> yeah I saw that
[10:49] <Kamion> and yeah, it just tries the blank essid
[10:50] <Kamion> so probably strongest signal
[10:50] <mdke> ah k
[10:50] <Kamion> I'd like to improve that (bug #1242); but netcfg is a pig to work on
[10:51] <Kamion> and I have no wireless cards that support scanning, annoyingly enough
[10:51] <Kamion> and only one local AP for that matter
[10:53] <mdke> well I only have one too, but there are a few closed networks around, i was just curious
[10:54] <seb128> clearlooks is shipped by gnome-themes/gtk2-engines packages now, what is the correct way to make that ... just a Replaces on the previous package?
[10:54] <seb128> or a Conflicts/Provides too?
[10:54] <paolo> seb128, did you see the cairo issue we pointed out on #cairo with cworth?
[10:55] <seb128> paolo: devhelp API?
[10:55] <paolo> seb128, yup, the devhelp thing.
[10:55] <seb128> I'm reading it atm
[10:55] <paolo> Cool, thank you.
[10:56] <seb128> paolo: what is basically the issue? We don't have libcairo-doc package?
[10:58] <paolo> seb128, yes, no documentation is installed with libcairo1, nor with libcairo1-dev
[10:58] <seb128> right
[10:58] <seb128> Debian package has a -doc
[10:58] <seb128> I've planned to sync with it but didn't come here yet
[10:58] <paolo> seb128, also the cairo doc doesn't have a title, I don't know if the debian guys fixed it.
[10:59] <seb128> not sure but that would be an upstream issue
[10:59] <paolo> Yup, I notified them.
[10:59] <paolo> I don't know how it goes for this kind of issues.
[11:01] <paolo> seb128, if I could ask: it passed the announce for rhythmbox-0.9.0 but it isn't on the repos, is there a particular reason?
[11:02] <seb128> mkdir .libs
[11:02] <seb128> libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/lib/libdbus-1.la'
[11:02] <seb128>
[11:02] <seb128> daniels !!!!!
[11:02] <seb128> he keeps doing that
[11:02] <seb128> dropping .la files and breaking other packages
[11:03] <paolo> Argh :-)
[11:04] <seb128> is somebody going to upload a hal package for that or should I do it?
[11:06] <seb128> * Remove *.la files from installation.
[11:06] <seb128> + Gross hack to remove dbus_bindings.{a,la} from python2.4-dbus.
[11:06] <seb128> WTF
[11:07] <seb128> Kamion, mdz: what is the right fix here? Changing dbus to install libdbus-1.la or doing a rebuild of other stuff to drop the .la mention?
[11:09] <seb128> k, all the stuff using hal are FTBFSing now
[11:09] <seb128> thanks daniels
[11:09] <elmo> seb128: dude, you are getting more bitter by the day
[11:10] <elmo> I think soon you might wrap around, and become all happy and positive again ;P
[11:10] <seb128> ah ah
[11:10] <seb128> I'm not bitter :p
[11:10] <seb128> I've just enough to do without having daniels making half of GNOME FTBFSing every week
[11:18] <mdz> seb128: the .la file is supposed to be in a -dev package, right?
[11:19] <seb128> mdz: the dbus upload has
[11:19] <seb128> * Remove *.la files from installation.
[11:19] <seb128> + Gross hack to remove dbus_bindings.{a,la} from python2.4-dbus.
[11:19] <seb128> mdz: and the dropped the .la from the -dev too
[11:19] <ogra> phew...
[11:20] <seb128> but libhal.la mention it by example, which breaks the builds
[11:20] <seb128> mdz: I guess the correct fix is to only drop the .la from the python dbus package?
[11:21] <jbailey> Kamion: Yeah, that might work. Right now I had been doing the same autodetection that the installer would do.
[11:21] <mdz> seb128: I can understand removing it from the python package; that doesn't make sense. but surely it should be in -dev
[11:21] <seb128> mdz: k, I'm going to fix dbus then, thanks
[11:21] <Kamion> jbailey: I think doing both would make sense
[11:22] <jbailey> Yup
[11:22] <Kamion> ok, udev upload fixing those warnings done, so re-mkinitramfs with that and all should be happy
[11:22] <shaya> is anyone having a problem w/ initrd creation and new linux kernel?
[11:23] <Kamion> shaya: install initramfs-tools
[11:23] <Kamion> jbailey: mdz fixed it already
[11:23] <shaya> missing dependecy?
[11:23] <jbailey> Kamion, mdz: thanks.
[11:23] <mdz> it should be building about now
[11:23] <Kamion> shaya: right; there's a new kernel on its way
[11:23] <mdz> -6.10
[11:23] <shaya> would my old initrd have owrked?
[11:23] <mdz> yes
[11:23] <shaya> or would I have had to reboot to .10?
[11:23] <shaya> ah
[11:24] <shaya> so not hte biggest deal
[11:24] <mdz> shaya: do you think it's at all feasible that the other change from http://www.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu/pipermail/unionfs-cvs/2005-August/000260.html broke things for me?
[11:24] <mdz> it's either that, or some non-unionfs difference between our configurations, if you can't reproduce my bug
[11:24] <Kamion> shaya: if you had the new linux-image-* unpacked, then configuring linux-image-* will fail initially, but then apt will retry after configuring initramfs-tools and all should be happy
[11:24] <shaya> mdz: I made one line change and it worked
[11:24] <shaya> yes
[11:24] <shaya> everything's happy
[11:25] <shaya> mdz: I guess it's possible the dentry.c change made some problems for you
[11:25] <shaya> mdz: stick a printk() in that code to see if you're hitting it
[11:25] <shaya> as it sort of would make sense
[11:26] <shaya> as d_unhashed means unlinked
[11:26] <shaya> and that's what bash is doing, unlinked file
[11:26] <mdz> shaya: I'm going to try reverting to the same code you're using and see if that helps
[11:26] <robertj> mdz: did you see my lowly post about whether workspace-switcher applet should remain on the default panel?
[11:27] <shaya> mdz: in this case, it's not really the unionfs guys fault, this dentry revalidation is black magic, I've been looking for documentation about what it means, and havent found any
[11:27] <mdz> robertj: no
[11:27] <robertj> mdz: well err, that's pretty much the post...I've seen a few people lose apps on various virtual workspaces
[11:27] <shaya> anyone here read long: ?
[11:27] <shaya> login: that is
[11:28] <robertj> mdz: basically I figure the people who need them can find them but the people who don't might not know how/be afraid to remove them
[11:29] <mdz> robertj: as far as I'm concerned, that's a desktop team decision
[11:29] <mdz> robertj: ->seb128
[11:29] <robertj> oky
[11:30] <seb128> I've not strong opinion on the topic but imho that's fine this way
[11:30] <seb128> there is no real point to have an empty panel and it's quite useful
[11:30] <robertj> it is useful but its bad if you don't know what your doing and manage to "lose your icons"
[11:31] <seb128> next you will ask to configure with 1 desktop by default?
[11:31] <robertj> yup
[11:31] <seb128> there is other way than the applet to change desktop
[11:31] <seb128> the real fix would be to set the number of desktop to 1
[11:32] <paolo> Which automake/autoconf version do you suggest to install? And why do you provide so many versions?
[11:32] <seb128> because upstream provide those version
[11:32] <robertj> yeah, I think I forgot to include that in my email, but yes, I'd think that would be needed as well
[11:32] <seb128> robertj: that's not going to happen imho
[11:33] <BenC> W: GPG error: http://bazaar.canonical.com ./ Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A817561ED2DFA262
[11:33] <seb128> robertj: what you want is a linux with 0 feature so you are you sure users don't use something they may not know :)
[11:33] <BenC> how do I get the pub key for bazaar release?
[11:34] <robertj> seb128: I think the interface should be very plain by default
[11:34] <seb128> paolo: I've 1.9 as default automake versionhere, works fine for GNOME
[11:34] <robertj> that's why i'm against My Documents, My Music, My Whatever.
[11:34] <seb128> robertj: you will not get any consensus on a such discussion imho
[11:35] <seb128> that's basically why I've not replied to the thread
[11:35] <robertj> Yeah, probably not. But it's a better way of doing things than having every application want to have itself on your panel and such.
[11:35] <paolo> seb128, thanks. OK works seamlessy for me too.
[11:35] <seb128> you can try to go upstream, they will probably close it and maybe ping usability before
[11:36] <paolo> seb128, about cairo "--enable-gtk-doc use gtk-doc to build documentation default=no" that's probably the reason for the lack of documentation.
[11:37] <seb128> paolo: I know why it lack it and the Debian package has a binary package for it, I just need to sync ... I'll do that after the colony CD from this week when uploading 0.9 and GTK 2.8
[11:37] <seb128> paolo: thanks anyway :)
[11:38] <mdz> shaya: still broken for me using 1.0.13 + the one-character fix
[11:38] <shaya> hmm
[11:38] <paolo> seb128, ok sorry. Thank you, instead :-)
[11:38] <shaya> weird
[11:38] <seb128> paolo: no need to be sorry, don't worry :)
[11:38] <mdz> shaya: are you using delete=whiteout?
[11:39] <shaya> hmm
[11:39] <shaya> no
[11:39] <Kamion> BenC: it's /home/warthogs/archives/[email protected] on chinstrap
[11:39] <shaya> or not specifying
[11:39] <shaya> let me see
[11:39] <shaya> hmm
[11:39] <shaya> this is funny
[11:40] <shaya> mdz: sometime since I sent that message unionfs oopsed on me :)
[11:40] <shaya> hit an assertion
[11:42] <shaya> hmm, why are perl and perl5.8.7 hardlinks to each other?
[11:42] <shaya> why is a hardlink better than a symlink (ala gcc)
[11:43] <robertj> seb128: thanks for your suggestion. I sent it upstream at # 313167
[11:43] <seb128> robertj: np
[11:46] <Kamion> shaya: makes no particular difference in that case
[11:49] <shaya> kamion: confused?
[11:49] <shaya> oh
[11:49] <shaya> perl
[11:49] <shaya> sorry, lost focus
[11:56] <kwa> join #ubuntu-motu
[11:58] <sivang> seb128: did you hear from jamesh re lpint-bonobo ? (I sent him a link so he can review)
[11:58] <seb128> no
[11:58] <seb128> but you were supposed to send a mail to me and jamesh today no?
[11:59] <sivang> I posted it on my web corner, and did it here, so I figured you'd notice (all the discussions were in this channel)
[12:00] <seb128> nop, was quite busy and my IRC is not running when I'm not around
[12:00] <seb128> I read some discussion
[12:00] <seb128> but not pointer to a patch
[12:00] <sivang> 10:19 < sivang> jamesh: ok, noted. pkg is here: http://muse.19inch.net/~sivan/lpint/lpint-bonnobo-0.0.tar.gz
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[12:38] <bradb> ok, sanity check: is trying to login to the wiki telling other people "Sorry, wrong password" too?
[01:11] <carlos> jordi, pong
[01:11] <jordi> carlos: way too late
[01:11] <jordi> I'm shutting down, I wanted to import a few things, with you watching.
[01:11] <jordi> tomorrow
[01:11] <carlos> jordi, sorry, I just come back from my parents' house
[01:12] <carlos> ok
[01:12] <carlos> see you tomorrow
[04:50] <spiv> jamesh: Around?
[04:51] <jamesh> spiv: yeah
[04:52] <spiv> jamesh: The pending-reviews output for lifeless' arch-pqm branch seems weird to me.
[04:53] <spiv> There are conflicts that remove entire files.
[04:53] <jamesh> I just registered his [email protected] archive in my chinstrap home dir this morning
[04:54] <spiv> I just wanted a quick sanity check from you to know if it really does have crazy conflicts, or if you think something funny is going on.
[04:55] <jamesh> could be star-merge picking a bad ancestor
[04:56] <spiv> Well, pqm star-merges too.
[04:57] <jamesh> I'd ask lifeless, but he's on holiday
[04:57] <spiv> Right :)
[04:57] <bob2> hm, is there a reason bug activity isn't the default bug view?
[04:58] <jamesh> hmm
[04:58] <jamesh> http://people.ubuntu.com/~robertc/[email protected]/arch-pqm/arch-pqm--main/arch-pqm--main--0/patch-7/log shows the last item is a merge from rocektfuel
[04:59] <jamesh> s/item/revision/
[04:59] <spiv> Which means it shouldn't have crazy conflicts, I would have though.
[05:01] <spiv> patch-7?
[05:01] <spiv> I see a patch-52 from here.
[05:01] <jamesh> --general
[05:01] <jamesh> his public archive
[05:02] <spiv> Ah, right.
[05:02] <spiv> There's two branches there.
[05:02] <spiv> I got confused :)
[05:03] <spiv> Ok, I have another question...
[05:03] <spiv> Ah, you removed the other one because it was already merged?
[05:04] <jamesh> spiv: https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~jamesh/lifeless-pqm.patch <- without --star-merge
[05:04] <jamesh> yeah
[05:04] <spiv> So it was a dud merge. Ta.
[05:05] <jamesh> the type of dud merge PQM will have trouble with too
[05:06] <spiv> Yep.
[05:07] <spiv> But that's something lifeless can sort out, I only need to mention it in passing in a review.
[05:07] <jamesh> I wonder if lifeless just did a full rocketfuel merge to his public archive, or a selective one?
[05:07] <jamesh> (which might account for weird merging)
[05:10] <jamesh> bob2: you mean the "activity log" malone page?
[05:55] <jamesh> spiv: w.r.t. Mark's branches, I think the comment on PendingReviews says it all: "I'm not sure - I want the diff magic to show me!."
[05:55] <jamesh> he's not after a review yet -- just wants the stats page to track the diff, conflicts, etc for him
[05:55] <jamesh> maybe it should have been tagged doesn't-need-review-yet or somehting :)
[06:00] <spiv> jamesh: Well, he should have put it in his own queue then ;)
[06:06] <spiv> In theory that could be fixed.
[06:06] <jamesh> I noticed that the names got fixed while the wiki was in Brazil
[06:07] <jamesh> but the changes since the moin 1.3 upgrade were broken
[06:07] <spiv> So long as everyone has the same wiki name in Launchpad as in the old wiki, it would be possible to write a script to migrate the old IDs to the new ones.
[06:07] <jamesh> now its switched back, so the data should all be there
[06:07] <spiv> The problem is that in Brazil, we were using plain moin 1.3. We're now back on Launchpad auth, which uses different user ids under the covers.
[06:10] <jamesh> well, it is a problem that will become less important as time goes on
[06:10] <spiv> Yeah.
[06:12] <spiv> If we keep running local wikis for sprints, it'll be a recurring issue though.
[06:12] <jamesh> I think this was just a one off
[06:12] <jamesh> it's a pain for the people not at the sprint
[06:12] <elmo> no, we'll do local wikis as most meetings
[06:12] <elmo> well meetings where everyone is there
[06:13] <elmo> and it's easily avoided, since AFAIK we'll allowed to do the LP auth from anywhere, so next time I just need to give the data and the moin packages
[06:14] <jamesh> with the way the Launchpad sprint was structured, only somewhere between a third and a half the team were in Brazil at any one time though
[06:14] <spiv> Well, it wouldn't be hard to run a local authserver for a local wiki.
[06:14] <jamesh> if the wiki was moved to Brazil but still accessible, it wouldn't have been too bad
[06:15] <jamesh> even if it was slower
[06:16] <spiv> (It'd be a variation what we're planning for AuthserverCaching)
[08:21] <yaniv> Hello all! I had just noticed that Gaim is listed four times in the Hebrew Translation part of Rosseta, and at a glance, all version seemed identical. Does someone know anything about this? Is this a mistake, and we are doubling our work, or is it supposed to be like this?
[08:26] <jamesh> yaniv: what URL are you looking at?
[08:27] <yaniv> jamesh:https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+lang/he
[08:28] <jamesh> not sure.
[08:28] <yaniv> jamesh:if you search the page for gaim, you'll see it's list four times, (gaim-1, gaim-1 etc.) and the templates seem the same
[08:29] <jamesh> yeah. if you click on the "source" column header they're all next to each other
[08:30] <jamesh> yaniv: the Rosetta guys should be waking up soon, so if you wait a bit you should get an answer
[08:30] <jamesh> they're on European time
[09:39] <sivang> jamesh: I have the bonobo helper lib ready, I will be sending it for your review soon
[09:40] <sivang> jamesh: I'm sure I have an handful of warths, make sure you let me know of them so I can fix *and* learn :)
[09:41] <sivang> jamesh: btw, must I use the autogen.sh script or make dist with it or can I drop it out of the tarball distribution?
[09:41] <jamesh> sivang: to get a tarball, you should run ./autogen.sh, then "make distcheck"
[09:43] <sivang> jamesh: ok, I'll do that shortly. up until now I just used "make dist" to move the tarball around between palces I worked in
[09:44] <jamesh> sivang: "make distcheck" makes a tarball, unpacks it and does a build, then tries to create a tarball from that copy
[09:44] <jamesh> it helps pick up bugs that'd bite you further down the track
[09:55] <sivang> jamesh: cool , thx for the info :)
[09:57] <sivang> jamesh: I alwasy do make clean and make dist clean before I reattempt building etc, is this ok?
[09:58] <jamesh> sivang: shouldn't be necessary
[09:58] <jamesh> sivang: "make distcheck" should give you a tarball suitable for building a package
[09:59] <sivang> jamesh: k, now, I get some autogen warnings. Should we continue this in a more appropriate channel (g-l, or g-h maybe? )
[10:00] <sivang> (feeling autotools stuff is getting bit OT for here)
[10:06] <SteveA> hi
[10:09] <jamesh> hi SteveA
[10:10] <SteveA> hello jamesh
[10:11] <SteveA> i want to get the schemas that are used only for browser stuff moved into the launchpad/browser/ package somewhere
[10:12] <SteveA> this is kind of linked to making the autogenerated calendar forms have more user-oriented description fields
[10:12] <jamesh> just schemas, or all interfaces that are browser specific?
[10:12] <jamesh> okay
[10:13] <SteveA> because we can put schemas in there that extend the schoolbel schemas, but with improved descriptions (improved from the end-user point of view)
[10:13] <SteveA> that's a good question. i don't know if we have any browser-specific interfaces that are not schemas
[10:13] <jamesh> I have some for calendar date ranges
[10:14] <jamesh> the implementations are in browser/cal.py
[10:15] <SteveA> date ranges sound very generic to me.
[10:15] <jamesh> okay
[10:15] <SteveA> more "structural", if you see what i mean
[10:15] <SteveA> so i guess we can keep them in launchpad/interfaces/
[10:15] <SteveA> what do you thin?
[10:15] <SteveA> think?
[10:16] <jamesh> it sounds like a good idea
[10:16] <jamesh> since the schemas used for data entry are likely to be similar to the interfaces for the real database objects
[10:16] <jamesh> and we probably don't want them mixed up
[10:17] <SteveA> mark originally wanted them to be kept together, because of the "keep all interfaces in one place" principle. but, in brazil, he'd had sufficient experience of using them to come around to keeping them separate.
[10:17] <SteveA> this is what zope3 does, more or less
[10:18] <SteveA> so, we need to decide where to put them in browser code
[10:18] <SteveA> we can move them from interfaces/whatever.py to browser/whatever.py
[10:18] <SteveA> that way, there's no new modules being created
[10:19] <SteveA> and the schemas are in the same module as they are most likely to be used in
[10:19] <jamesh> so we won't do something like browser/interfaces.py?
[10:19] <SteveA> reducing the number of imports needed
[10:19] <SteveA> right
[10:19] <jamesh> okay. that makes sense
[10:20] <jamesh> the "hard to find" aspect isn't as big a deal, for interfaces with only a single use
[10:20] <SteveA> in zope3, the standard is to put "external" interfaces in interfaces.py
[10:20] <SteveA> but "internal" interfaces near to where they are most often used
[10:21] <SteveA> everyone should be using ctags anyway
[10:21] <jamesh> so do we want to go through and move all browser level interfaces, or just keep it in mind during reviews?
[10:22] <SteveA> we should get them all moved into the right places.
[10:22] <SteveA> and also keep it in mind during reviews ;-)
[10:23] <jamesh> okay. You mentioned extending the schoolbell interface for a data entry schema
[10:23] <jamesh> is that possible without redefining all the properties?
[10:23] <jamesh> (which is pretty much a new interface)
[10:24] <SteveA> it may be possible to say something like
[10:24] <SteveA> class SchoolBellForBrowser(SchoolBellOriginal):
[10:24] <SteveA> foo = SchoolBellOriginal.foo
[10:24] <SteveA> foo.description = _("Better description")
[10:24] <SteveA>
[10:25] <SteveA> i don't know for sure, though.
[10:25] <jamesh> that's going to update SchoolBellOriginal.foo.description though
[10:25] <SteveA> oh yeah
[10:25] <SteveA> i am still jetlagged ;-)
[10:25] <SteveA> so, you could do
[10:25] <SteveA> foo = BetterDescription('foo', "Better description")
[10:25] <SteveA> where BetterDescription does:
[10:26] <SteveA> - look up 'foo' from SchoolBellOriginal or its bases
[10:26] <SteveA> - clones foo, provided it is a Field. raises TypeError otherwise.
[10:26] <SteveA> - resets the description on the clone
[10:27] <SteveA> BetterDescription would use the "class advice" hook
[10:27] <SteveA> so it actually runs after the SchoolBellForBrowser class suite is interpreted
[10:28] <SteveA> do you know about the class advice hook?
[10:28] <jamesh> no
[10:28] <SteveA> it is a fancy metaclasses trick
[10:29] <SteveA> i will get you some code, just a sec...
[10:29] <SteveA> launchpad/lib/zope/interface/advice.py
[10:29] <spiv> SteveA: Seems very magical. Can't you just use foo = copy.copy(SchoolBellOriginal.foo); foo.description = _("Better description")?
[10:29] <SteveA> copy.copy sounds very magical to me ;-)
[10:30] <spiv> You do have a point there ;)
[10:30] <SteveA> but, if that works, it's great.
[10:30] <SteveA> i don't know if Fields support being copied.
[10:30] <SteveA> copying uses pickle
[10:30] <spiv> But I'd rate copy.copy as lesser evil than metaclasses ;)
[10:30] <SteveA> i think
[10:30] <SteveA> so if it does, it won't work
[10:31] <SteveA> the class advice hook is what 'implements(IWhatever)' uses
[10:31] <jamesh> spiv: do you think sqlobject should have a converter for set instances?
[10:31] <spiv> Well, it falls back to some of the same infrastructure as pickle, without actually pickling.
[10:32] <SteveA> jamesh: so you now have two approaches, either of which *might* work :-)
[10:32] <SteveA> see zope/interface/declarations.py for how advice is used, using addClassAdvisor
[10:33] <jamesh> that code is evil :)
[10:33] <SteveA> i'm only partly responsible :-)
[10:34] <spiv> jamesh:
[10:34] <spiv> >>> class Ten(1,2,3,4):
[10:34] <spiv> ... __metaclass__ = lambda n,b,d: sum(b)
[10:34] <spiv> ...
[10:34] <spiv> >>> print type(Ten), Ten
[10:34] <spiv> <type 'int'> 10
[10:35] <jamesh> I can see why it all works
[10:35] <spiv> (It such a shame Python doesn't let you say "class Ten(*range(5))"...)
[10:35] <SteveA> QUOTES PAGE!
[10:37] <SteveA> jamesh: can you move over the appropriate schemas to browser/ at the same time you improve the calendar schemas?
[10:37] <jamesh> okay
[10:38] <SteveA> thanks
[10:38] <carlos> morning
[10:39] <SteveA> hi carlos
[11:09] <SteveA> carlos: what do you think about the message-id / original text in a comment thing that zope / plone uses?
[11:09] <SteveA> we'll be using this in a few places in launchpad too, i expect
[11:09] <SteveA> because of how page templates i18n works
[11:10] <carlos> SteveA, It should not be too difficult to implement a way to show it
[11:10] <carlos> in fact... I think it should work already
[11:10] <carlos> hmmm, no, perhaps no, as we only show comments that come from source code
[11:10] <carlos> but should be easy to extend Rosetta to show those other comments
[11:12] <SteveA> it would be a good thing to do soon, so the plone people can use rosetta well
[11:13] <carlos> the change to show those comments should be trivial, will try to do it later today
[11:15] <jstr> hey guys how long does it take for the verification email to be posted?
[11:16] <SteveA> jstr: do you mean for verifying that an email address is your own?
[11:17] <jstr> when you sign up for membership, and an email gets sent to address that you provide
[11:17] <SteveA> right
[11:17] <SteveA> it gets sent to you immediately
[11:18] <SteveA> any delay is from the normal short delay in sending email, or a longer delay if there's a routing problem to your mail server, or a *very* long delay if the address was mistyped
[11:19] <SteveA> we had a problem a few weeks ago where there was a misconfiguration in the launchpad internal mail systems, and mail wasn't getting out. we fixed that, though.
[11:19] <jstr> its the right address... i think its just my slow crappy uni email address... oh well ill just wait it out
[11:40] <carlos> SteveA, btw, could you send me the emails about the pending reviews from daf?
[11:40] <carlos> SteveA, so I can finish the review changes and merge the branches?
[11:48] <SteveA> carlos: i don't know what you need
[11:48] <carlos> SteveA, you told me on Brazil that i should take care of the open reviews that daf has while he's offline
[11:49] <carlos> SteveA, so you told me that this week you woul try to send me the review emails sent to daf so I can merge those changes after the review changes are applied
[11:49] <carlos> do you remember it?
[11:52] <SteveA> i can't find any emails about these reviews
[11:52] <SteveA> so, i'm not sure where they will be
[11:52] <carlos> SteveA, ok
[11:53] <carlos> I will send an email to daf just in case he reads it before coming back to work
[11:53] <SteveA> okay
[11:53] <SteveA> thanks
[11:55] <carlos> np
[11:57] <carlos> stub, I just requested a merge into rocketfuel for two fixes that should be cherry picked into production
[11:57] <carlos> stub, could you do it today?
[11:58] <carlos> one of the fixes needs also that you execute a script to migrate data
[12:14] <Kinnison> stub: can I ask you to cast an eye over [email protected]/launchpad--rework-package-db--0 ?
[12:15] <Kinnison> stub: So far it's just all the database stuff for renaming BinaryPackage to BinaryPackageRelease and shuffling the publishing stuff around a touch more
[12:15] <Kinnison> stub: but it's quite a bit of db shuffling so I'd appreciate your eye on it
[12:22] <carlos> stub, btw, the error that you got with the whitespace migration script is a matter of move the .commit to another line and that should be all... I'm going to merge that fix too so we can finish that migration too
[01:08] <WaterSevenUb> hi... suppose I download "nano" po file from rosetta (breezy), and upgrade hoary to the latest nano breezy. Should the translation match the version of breezy?
[01:12] <jordi> WaterSevenUb: in theory yes
[01:12] <jordi> WaterSevenUb: it doesn't?
[01:14] <WaterSevenUb> jordi: well... some of the strings that are translated in the PO file, like in the "help" text of "nano", when I run the program appear in the original (english), not translated.
[01:15] <jordi> WaterSevenUb: any other very visible string?
[01:15] <jordi> WaterSevenUb: what language?
[01:15] <WaterSevenUb> jordi: ??, Portuguese
[01:16] <jordi> oh.
[01:16] <jordi> any other string that is translated but isn't showing up?
[01:19] <WaterSevenUb> jordi: there are a lot of strings that do not appear in the PO file... but from the translated ones that do not appear I'm only finding one... give me one minute.
[01:22] <WaterSevenUb> jordi: yes, there are... and what is more strange is that "Constantly show cursor position" in the PO file appears in "nano" as "Constant cursor position display"
[01:22] <WaterSevenUb> jordi: so it seems that I'm mixing versions...
[01:22] <jordi> WaterSevenUb: ok
[01:22] <jordi> what version of nano are you using? 1.3.8?
[01:22] <WaterSevenUb> jordi: yape...
[01:24] <jordi> WaterSevenUb: ok, from what I see, the translation in rosetta appears to be for 1.2.x (hoary)
[01:25] <jordi> I don't know why it's not tracking the breezy version yet.
[01:25] <jordi> Carlos?
[01:25] <WaterSevenUb> jordi: hmmm.. how do you see that?:)
[01:26] <jordi> WaterSevenUb: hmm, because I know the messages :)
[01:26] <carlos> jordi, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/nano/+pots/nano
[01:26] <carlos> jordi, that's breezy
[01:26] <jordi> I'm quite involved in nano upstream :)
[01:26] <jordi> carlos: why isn't it linked from https://launchpad.net/products/nano/+translations ?
[01:26] <WaterSevenUb> jordi: excellent! now I have someone to bother ;)
[01:26] <carlos> jordi, 1.3.7-2
[01:27] <carlos> jordi, because what I told you yesterday, you need to link the sourcepackage with a product series
[01:27] <carlos> so they appear there
[01:27] <jordi> carlos: and we need to do this for every product? sounds like fun.
[01:27] <carlos> jordi, right ;-)
[01:28] <carlos> but it only needs to be done once
[01:28] <jordi> carlos: so, https://launchpad.net/products/nano/+series/head/
[01:28] <jordi> do I "Link to Ubuntu package"?
[01:28] <carlos> future releases should reuse that information, you would only change the series if it's different
[01:29] <carlos> jordi, I think you were missing the needed permissions..
[01:29] <carlos> am I right?
[01:29] <jordi> totally right
[01:30] <WaterSevenUb> (hhmm... about a small note in Rosetta, in the top of each template translation, indicating the version that the template matches?)
[01:30] <jordi> is nano not in breezy?
[01:31] <jordi> WaterSevenUb: more than the version, what branch
[01:31] <carlos> jordi, it is
[01:31] <carlos> WaterSevenUb, well, it supposed to match latest version of that package in the distribution you are translating into
[01:32] <WaterSevenUb> carlos: :)
[01:33] <carlos> sorry, I killed my X server...
[01:35] <WaterSevenUb> jordi: can you send me a 1.3.8 PO file that I can work on while you try to sync things? Thanks.
[01:39] <carlos> WaterSevenUb, you can get it from the URL I pasted here
[01:40] <carlos> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/nano/+pots/nano
[01:41] <jordi> WaterSevenUb: There's a guy called Rui Azevedo or something who is working on pt (Portugal)
[01:41] <WaterSevenUb> carlos: thanks! I'm still not used to the many links in launchpad, sorry.
[01:41] <WaterSevenUb> jordi: I am that guy:-p
[01:41] <jordi> WaterSevenUb: me neither :)
[01:41] <jordi> WaterSevenUb: oh, great :)
[01:41] <jordi> WaterSevenUb: well, you've got mail :)
[01:41] <WaterSevenUb> jordi: :)
[01:42] <jordi> WaterSevenUb: translating official GNU projects is a bit annoying at the beginning
[01:42] <jordi> you'll read why
[02:00] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: Fixed the fuzzy flag set/unset when importing a published .po file (r=SteveA). Changed @@absolute_url with fmt:url + pagetest added and fixed transaction problems with the whitespace migration script [trivial] (patch-2242: [email protected])
[02:20] <carlos> SteveA, got the review emails from daf, I will try to merge those branches this week
[02:34] <jordi> carlos: I don't know why, but the breezy template of nano doesn't appear to be current.
[02:35] <carlos> jordi, the header says that it was generated on 2005-04-12
[02:35] <WaterSevenUb> carlos: "POT-Creation-Date: 2005-07-06 11:47:56.556271+00:00\n"
[02:35] <carlos> jordi, perhaps the problem is that the .pot file shiped with nano is not in sync with the code?
[02:35] <jordi> "POT-Creation-Date: 2005-06-30 13:24-0400\n"
[02:36] <jordi> this is from the tarball in Debian
[02:36] <WaterSevenUb> carlos: "POT-Creation-Date: 2005-07-06 11:47:56.556271+00:00\n" - this is from the header of the PO file I downloaded
[02:36] <carlos> jordi, is it the same we have in breezy?
[02:36] <carlos> WaterSevenUb, from Rosetta?
[02:36] <WaterSevenUb> carlos: yes.
[02:36] <carlos> then the problem is that the .pot file is outdated
[02:36] <jordi> that date matches the release date of nano 1.3.8
[02:37] <jordi> carlos: where, in rosetta or the tarball?
[02:37] <jordi> it is ok in the tarball
[02:38] <carlos> jordi, the imported version is 1.3.7-2
[02:38] <carlos> jordi, so perhaps that's the problem
[02:39] <jordi> yes, it is.
[02:39] <jordi> the strings WaterSevenUb is seeing untranslated chanegd between 1.3.7 and 13.8
[02:40] <carlos> jordi, seems like something is previnting our scripts to import the 1.3.8 version
[02:40] <carlos> WaterSevenUb, jordi would you file a bug report about it, please?
[02:40] <carlos> the tarball is there since 2005-07-22 so seems like there is a problem
[02:41] <jordi> do you have logs?
[02:41] <WaterSevenUb> jordi: I leave that to you :)
[02:41] <jordi> WaterSevenUb: yeah, don't worry.
[02:44] <carlos> jordi, yeah, but it's not easy to find that and I'm a bit busy to look at it atm
[02:44] <jordi> k
[02:45] <jordi> done
[02:48] <WaterSevenUb> jordi: #?
[02:49] <jordi> hmm. lost it
[02:49] <jordi> wait a sec
[02:49] <jordi> # Bug #1729: nano 1.3.8 isn't imported in Rosetta
[02:49] <carlos> jordi, thanks
[02:51] <WaterSevenUb> thx
[03:06] <bradb> morning
[03:36] <SteveA> bradb: you know the wiki is back?
[03:37] <bradb> SteveA: yup, but login doesn't work for me ("Sorry, wrong password")
[03:37] <SteveA> bradb: use your launchpad password
[03:38] <bradb> that's what I've always done
[03:38] <bradb> do i have to use an lp email address now too?
[03:38] <SteveA> try it
[03:39] <bradb> oh, apparently i'm BradBollenbach2 now
[03:39] <bradb> (login with email worked, frighteningly enough)
[03:39] <SteveA> okay
[03:40] <SteveA> so, you need to ask stub to sort out BradBollenbach2
[03:47] <SteveA> bradb: you lost your subscribed pages, i think, with the upgrade to 1.3
[03:48] <bradb> bummer
[03:50] <bradb> was the upgrade botched?
[04:02] <SteveA> i have no idea
[04:04] <salgado> yo SteveA
[04:05] <SteveA> hi salgado
[04:06] <salgado> SteveA, I have the feeling that today you woke up with a special inclination for doing code reviews. (please tell me I'm right. ;)
[04:06] <SteveA> sure, i can do code reviews
[04:06] <SteveA> i'm off to the gym in a short while, though. but, i can do reviews later today.
[04:07] <salgado> that's great. do you still have my mail about the smallfixes--4 branch?
[04:07] <SteveA> no idea
[04:08] <SteveA> i see that jamesh reviewed that a while ago
[04:10] <SteveA> after so long out of the normal flow of work, at the sprintathon, it's a good idea to send out fresh reminders of what you need from other people
[04:11] <salgado> I just bounced the mail. maybe you can give a quick look on the lines "@@ -325,13 +349,17 @@ class ValidateEmailView(object):" of the diff (https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~jamesh/pending-reviews/[email protected]/launchpad--smallfixes--4/filtered-diff)
[04:11] <salgado> just to tell me how evil that hack is, and if I should remove it
[04:15] <SteveA> well, it looks okay to me
[04:15] <SteveA> i'd use the variable 'dupe_person_name' instead of 'dupe', and make it email.person.name
[04:15] <SteveA> because you are not using 'dupe' anywhere else
[04:17] <salgado> godd point
[04:17] <SteveA> a comment would help, explaining that the next section of code is going to detect a dupe
[04:17] <SteveA> and if so, return text that tells the user they can merge accounts
[04:17] <SteveA> the error message would ideally be given in the page template itself
[04:19] <salgado> IIRC that's not possible because that method has to handle too many corner cases. to have the messges in the template I'd need to check a lot of possible return values from the method
[04:20] <SteveA> well...
[04:20] <SteveA> you could have the method set self.is_dupe_email on the view instance
[04:21] <SteveA> or some other appropriate name
[04:21] <SteveA> and then simply check that in the template
[04:21] <SteveA> or, you can have more than one template for the view
[04:21] <SteveA> include them as ViewPageTemplate attributes
[04:21] <SteveA> and choose which one you want depending on what case you're dealing with
[04:22] <SteveA> there are various ways of doing it
[04:22] <SteveA> maybe the way you have chosen is already the simplest
[04:22] <SteveA> i can't say, without looking closely at all the code
[04:24] <salgado> I think the way I choose is simplest than these ones you proposed, but I think it'd be better if I set some attributes in the view class and then move the messages to the template itself
[04:26] <SteveA> english language: "is simpler"
[04:26] <SteveA> sure
[04:26] <SteveA> that sounds like a good plan, then
[04:27] <SteveA> it means that the text is in the page template
[04:34] <madduck> i have a burning question! was the name "Malone" chosen with any reference to Samuel Beckett?
[04:35] <Kinnison> Buggsy Malone (I imagine)
[04:39] <mpt> yes, with one g
[04:40] <mpt> http://images.google.com/images?q=bugsy%20malone
[05:07] <mpt> 99 conflicts of code in the files, 99 conflicts of code ... Take one down and merge it around, 98 conflicts of code ...
[05:09] <Nafallo> haha
[05:13] <madduck> ha
[05:13] <madduck> i am not acquainted with Bugsy
[05:13] <madduck> cute.
[05:13] <madduck> i read beckett over the weekend and it seems to be appropriate in places too. :)
[05:31] <kiko> ahoy
[05:33] <koke> hi!
[05:33] <koke> can you see https://launchpad.net/people/koke
[05:34] <koke> I've just merged two accounts and I can't see my personal page
[05:34] <kiko> salgado, another one :-(
[05:36] <carlos> kiko, !
[05:36] <carlos> koke, !
[05:36] <carlos> confusing, really confusing :-P
[05:36] <koke> :)
[05:37] <kiko> heh
[06:31] <jblack> keybuk: ping
[06:31] <Keybuk> jblack: yup?
[06:31] <jblack> Are you rather conversant on which debian guys work on which debian stuff?
[06:32] <Keybuk> roughly
[06:32] <Keybuk> depends on the "stuff"
[06:32] <jblack> Cool. You know awesome things. :)
[06:32] <Keybuk> which things?
[06:33] <jblack> All of them that you could rattle off that could be potentially be usefully revision controlled
[06:34] <jblack> My goal is to chase down projects that need baz2 goodness, and help them across to it.
[06:34] <jblack> Debian's internal stuff is a particularly sweet target, as they talk internally so much.
[06:36] <Keybuk> what kind of internal stuff? dak and so-on?
[06:37] <jblack> Yeah. That and the install utils, anything that could be useful. I would target dpkg, but you're already sold I think. I've already sent an email off to apt.
[06:38] <jblack> Basically, any deb project that could be revision controlled. If I get a handful of Deb guys selling it, then they'll sell the rest of debian over for me. (much like is happening with arch/gnome)
[06:38] <Keybuk> apt would be mdz ;)
[06:39] <Keybuk> dak would be elmo
[06:39] <Keybuk> installer stuff is joeyh, who may be a hard convert from svn
[06:39] <Keybuk> but Kamion and bubulle are big on that team too
[06:39] <mpt> koke: If you subscribe yourself to https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1314 you'll be notified when the bug is fixed
[06:40] <jblack> How about the install team?
[06:40] <Keybuk> joeyh
[06:40] <mpt> koke: Actually, make that 131
[06:40] <mpt> 131
[06:40] <mpt> 333
[06:40] <mpt> gah
[06:40] <mpt> https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1313
[07:12] <mpt> Is there any way for a pagetest to say "this text does *not* occur anywhere"?
[07:14] <bradb-lunch> mpt: it's just python
[07:14] <bradb-lunch> so foo not in bar works
[07:15] <bradb-lunch> i don't know of a more readable way to do it
[07:15] <mpt> "it's just python" doesn't make something substantially easier for me :-)
[07:15] <mpt> What would be "bar" in this case?
[07:15] <bradb-lunch> >>> 'foo' not in 'bar'
[07:15] <bradb-lunch> True
[07:15] <bradb-lunch> >>> 'foo' not in 'barfoo'
[07:15] <bradb-lunch> False
[07:15] <bradb-lunch> so, foo is a variable with a string value in it
[07:15] <bradb-lunch> and so is bar
[07:16] <mpt> so foo = print http(r""" ... the rest of the test
[07:16] <bradb-lunch> no "print" there
[07:17] <mpt> oh, I see
[07:20] <mpt> >>> 'HTTP/1.1 200 OK' in output
[07:20] <mpt> True
[07:20] <mpt> >>> 'Your subscription to this bounty has been updated' in output
[07:20] <mpt> True
[07:20] <mpt> >>> 'Foo Bar' in output
[07:20] <mpt> False
[07:21] <bradb-lunch> actually not so terribly unreadable, i guess
[07:23] <bradb-lunch> the failure messages will be less informative, but then, they're already fully unreadable except by the most determined (and even then...)
[07:23] <mpt> heh
[07:23] <mpt> hmm, you have a point there
[07:24] <mpt> if the test fails I can't tell why
[07:25] <mpt> but that's true even if I test for anything in the usual ...way...
[07:25] <mpt> except for 500 errors, I guess
[07:30] <Kinnison> ciao
[07:35] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] add sampledata for sourcepackage bug list view class testing (patch-2243: [email protected])
[07:37] <kiko> i/o silver
[07:54] <carlos> see you
[07:55] <kiko> carlos!
[07:58] <carlos> kiko, !
[07:58] <carlos> kiko, I need to leave, do you need anything?
[08:03] <kiko> carlos, wanted to touch base, are you around later, or only tomorrow?
[08:03] <carlos> kiko, perhaps I will be around later, but I cannot give you a concrete time
[08:20] <bradb> SteveA: It seems as though we need a place to put classes that are "content classes" but are not tied to the database (e.g. BugTaskSearchParams is currently in the interfaces namespace :/) Would it be useful to create a canonical.launchpad.app namespace for this purpose?
[08:24] <kiko> bradb, note that SteveA was the one that suggested placing it in interfaces
[08:25] <bradb> evil! I created an interface for it and am now looking for a good home for the content class
[08:25] <kiko> bradb, note also that I have a patch here that moves createTask to IBugTarget as well, though I am not sure I like the general pattern so much here (I'm concerned we're straying from other launchpad patterns)
[08:25] <kiko> when SteveA is around I'd like a reping
[08:26] <bradb> sure (i have to leave in about 20 mins for a bit, but maybe he'll be back before then)
[08:27] <kiko> great
[08:48] <bradb> right, heading out for a bit, will read scrollback re: SteveA's/others thought on the .app namespace when i get back
[08:50] <kiko> ok
[10:19] <SteveA> bradb-bbl: BugTaskSearchParams should be in interfaces
[10:19] <SteveA> it is like an event
[10:19] <SteveA> or an exception
[10:20] <SteveA> it forms part of the contract between an IBugTarget and its user
[10:20] <SteveA> i don't expect to ever see more than one implementation of BugTaskSearchParams
[10:21] <stub> Goddammit it is still black outside
[10:24] <SteveA> cprov: noted about the meeting
[10:24] <SteveA> hi stu
[10:25] <cprov> SteveA: thank you man.
[10:25] <SteveA> bradb-bbl: don't create an interface for BugTaskSearchParams.
[10:25] <SteveA> it doesn't need an interface, the same as events and exceptions don't actually need interfaces
[10:25] <SteveA> it's just extra code to maintain
[10:29] <kiko-afk> heya stub
[10:29] <kiko-afk> heya SteveA
[10:29] <kiko-afk> do we have a meeting tomorrow?
[10:29] <SteveA> sure do
[10:29] <SteveA> it is in the channel title
[11:14] <bradb> no interface for BTSP...
[11:15] <bradb> SteveA: Should the interfaces package contain just interfaces, or should it contain things other than interfaces as well?
[11:15] <bradb> (like, say, BTSP_
[11:15] <bradb> )
[11:15] <SteveA> it already contains things other than interfaces
[11:15] <SteveA> it already contains things other than Interfaces
[11:15] <SteveA> basically, it should contain those things required to use "the interface" to the software
[11:16] <SteveA> these things include:
[11:16] <SteveA> - Interfaces
[11:16] <SteveA> - events
[11:16] <SteveA> - exceptions
[11:16] <SteveA> - objects that represent the parameters to methods
[11:17] <SteveA> so, really, the package should be called 'interface' or perhaps 'api' instead of 'interfaces'.
[11:17] <SteveA> but, zope3 has stuck with 'interfaces' as a convention. we're broadly-speaking following what zope3 does.
[11:20] <bradb> SteveA: IOW, if a class is expected to only ever have one implementation, there should not be an Interface defined for it?
[11:21] <SteveA> that's one criteria, but it isn't sufficient
[11:21] <bradb> does the apidoc tool generate docs specifically for things that inherit from Interface?
[11:22] <SteveA> you can say: if a class is expected to only ever have one implementation, then you may consider not defining an interface for it. There are, however, other good reasons to define interfaces for many things.
[11:23] <SteveA> in launchpad, we don't need to define interfaces for: interfaces (they already exist), events, exceptions, parameter objects. Sometimes, the zope3 infrastructure makes things more convenient when we define an interface, for example for events or exceptions in some cases.
[11:23] <SteveA> but, this is arguably a shortcoming in zope3, rather than a best practice.
[11:24] <SteveA> apidoc understands interfaces (things that provide IInterface)
[11:24] <SteveA> and apidoc understands a lot of other things besides
[11:24] <SteveA> i must go to bed now -- trying to curtail the jetlag.
[11:24] <SteveA> before i go
[11:25] <SteveA> another way to look at the question of "where should BugTaskSearchParams go" is to consider what it is for
[11:25] <SteveA> it is part of the glue between browser code, or other application code, and database code
[11:25] <SteveA> you can think of the stuff in 'interfaces' as the glue
[11:25] <bradb> it's an object used to talk to the database code.
[11:25] <SteveA> right
[11:25] <SteveA> it isn't database code
[11:25] <bradb> not necessarily limited to browser -> db interaction
[11:26] <SteveA> nor is it application code as such
[11:26] <SteveA> it is glue
[11:26] <SteveA> that's why i said above "between browser code, or other application code"
[11:26] <bradb> right right
[11:27] <SteveA> dbschema stuff should really be in 'interfaces' too, but i'm not going to make that change just yet.
[11:27] <SteveA> for one thing, there are name collissions between dbschema classes and database classes
[11:27] <SteveA> for another thing, it is good to be able to clearly see what is a dbschema when it is used in code
[11:27] <bradb> it is indeed
[11:27] <SteveA> so, this needs some thought, and some new ideas
[11:28] <bradb> i wonder if BTSP belongs in searchbuilder then?
[11:28] <SteveA> i'll probably move it into canonical/launchpad/dbschema.py as a first step, though
[11:28] <bradb> or does the searchbuilder stuff belong in interfaces?
[11:28] <SteveA> it belongs with the interface that defines the operation it is used in
[11:28] <SteveA> that interface is IBugTarget, right?
[11:29] <bradb> or IBugTaskSet, i believe
[11:29] <bradb> yes, IBugTaskSet as well
[11:29] <SteveA> so, it belongs right next to IBugTarget or IBugTaskSet
[11:29] <SteveA> i see what you mean about searchbuilder, though
[11:29] <SteveA> where is that at the moment?
[11:30] <bradb> canonical/launchpad/searchbuilder.pt
[11:30] <bradb> .py, even
[11:30] <SteveA> so, i guess it could go there. but, i seems a bit odd to me. i wonder what others think.
[11:30] <bradb> I'd happily get rid of searchbuilder entireliy
[11:31] <bradb> NULL could simply be None
[11:31] <SteveA> well, one thing at a time
[11:31] <SteveA> i'm off to sleep.
[11:31] <SteveA> see you tomorrow -- launchpad meeting, btw
[11:31] <bradb> ok, i'll roll back the iface definition for BTSP, thanks. see you tomorrow morning.
[11:35] <bradb> kiko: so, there you go, i guess BugTaskSearchParams does belong in interfaces then because 1. it's part of the launchpad API and 2. we don't expect to have another implementation for it.
[11:36] <bradb> there might be other reasons as well, but those were the two that i gathered to be the most important from talking to SteveA
[11:37] <kiko> yeah
[11:37] <kiko> bradb, do you think that doing IBugTarget.createTask is a good thing?
[11:37] <kiko> I have it done in my local tree but am still unsure
[11:38] <bradb> kiko: no, but i also don't think .searchTasks is particularly useful either. my thinking might be entirely wrong though.
[11:39] <bradb> kiko: do you think createTask is a good thing?
[11:40] <bradb> (or, put slightly differently, why are you unsure?)
[11:40] <kiko> well
[11:41] <kiko> searchTasks is useful if you want to do generic queries independent on what target it is
[11:43] <bradb> right, unless they evolve to have different params (like createTask)
[11:43] <bradb> at which point the value of IBugTarget's current API would seem to diminish
[11:44] <kiko> different params?
[11:44] <kiko> in what sense, bradb?
[11:44] <bradb> actually, they already do have different search params
[11:44] <kiko> really?
[11:44] <bradb> e.g. you wouldn't search for a specific sourcepackagename in an upstream
[11:44] <bradb> or bp name
[11:44] <kiko> good point
[11:45] <kiko> those are the only ones, right?
[11:45] <bradb> distrorelease
[11:45] <kiko> we could use params inheritance :-)
[11:46] <bradb> :P
[11:46] <bradb> productseries
[11:46] <bradb> productrelease
[11:46] <bradb> etc.
[11:47] <kiko> it's unfortunate -- I think the proper design would be to use a hierarchy of adapters (BaseTaskCollection and ProductTaskCollection, for instance) but it's not my call
[11:47] <kiko> and you'd adapt product to ITaskCollection
[11:48] <kiko> but that's subsets, isn't it?
[11:48] <bradb> i was just going to say...
[11:48] <bradb> :)
[11:48] <jblack> stevea: ping
[11:48] <bradb> i would agree that it's not as evil as it sounds though
[11:48] <jblack> nah. he's sleeping
[11:48] <kiko> it solves the problem better than a params instance
[11:49] <kiko> but let's let sleeping dogs lie
[11:49] <bradb> kiko knokws how to multi-task
[11:49] <bradb> :P
[11:49] <bradb> kiko: right
[11:49] <kiko> createTask() however does clean up some pretty gnarly if/elsing in one callsite
[11:49] <jblack> 17:44 < madduck> jblack: ok. lemme top off the night by telling you something
[11:49] <jblack> about me, and why i am even here...
[11:49] <jblack> 17:44 < madduck> i may well switch my phd field to workflow and productivity
[11:49] <jblack> management
[11:50] <jblack> 17:46 < madduck> so one of my first goals would be to improve the way teams
[11:50] <jblack> work on packages, and how to support multiple distros from a
[11:50] <jblack> single source
[11:50] <kiko> it appears that the pattern of the callsite not knowing what sort of target it has in its hand may not be that common
[11:50] <jblack> 17:46 < madduck> jblack: i'll be watching ubuntu, but i want to concentrate on
[11:50] <jblack> debian
[11:50] <jblack> (I didn't paste every line of his)
[11:50] <kiko> jblack, the best place for him to work is launchpad
[11:51] <bradb> kiko: interesting observation.
[11:51] <jblack> Basically, a guy is doing his phd on workflow analysis, wants to study the relationship between patchflow between distros.
[11:51] <kiko> observing relationships inside hct
[11:51] <kiko> (provided sourcerer is observing these distros)
[11:51] <jblack> He's talked to Mark at least once, has heard of hct. Seems like a good guy to tell more about.
[11:52] <kiko> yeah
[11:53] <Burgundavia> how do I assign a bug to someone now?
[11:53] <jblack> Imagine... launchpad being a thesis.
[11:53] <bradb> Burgundavia: what screen are you looking at?
[11:54] <Burgundavia> https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1735
[11:54] <bradb> hey! what happened to the assign link!?
[11:54] <bradb> kiko: ^^ any idea?
[11:55] <kiko> Burgundavia, bradb: it's now edit/view a task.
[11:55] <bradb> i guess it was squished in favour of [edit] ?
[11:55] <kiko> yes
[11:56] <Burgundavia> oh there, ok
[11:56] <bradb> the 1.0 announcement will include a link to the FAQ, question #1 being "How do I assign a bug?" :)
[11:56] <bradb> which should reduce the number of times that question has to be answered by about 10%
[11:57] <Burgundavia> ok
[11:57] <Burgundavia> the edit link is a lot more sane than clicking the whole line
[11:57] <Burgundavia> I just didn't see it
[11:58] <bradb> that's our fault
[11:58] <bradb> but...that's likely how it'll work for 1.0 as well
[11:59] <kiko> we could add an icon as mpt has suggested in the past
[12:00] <bradb> given that the only clickable link in that row now (AFAIK) is the edit/view link, an icon could be a good way of drawing it out more
[12:00] <mpt> I could do that tomorrow
[12:01] <bradb> sounds good
[12:02] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/dists--devel--0: [trivial] Update production-1.27 config (patch-104: [email protected])
[12:02] <Burgundavia> it would be nice at the bug page to link to the main gnome-screensaver page with trranslations, bugs, etc.
[12:03] <mpt> That will happen automatically when
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[12:06] <nikkia> bah!
[12:15] <_P_> hi
[12:16] <_P_> kaffeine still crash on close
[12:16] <_P_> i updated on 0.7 but nothing changed
[12:17] <macrobio> hola buenas noches
[12:21] <frank_> _P_: do you run the x86 version of ubuntu?
[12:22] <_P_> yes
[12:22] <frank_> I can send you my version that I found in the forums
[12:23] <nikkia> its probably some library or codec kaffeine is using, tbh
[12:23] <frank_> It's a 0.6-1 that doesn't crash on exit
[12:24] <nikkia> frank, take a look at the dependancy list for kdemultimedia, and you'll realise it pretty much could be one of a million things :/
[12:25] <frank_> nikkia: I think this is a common problem and some guy in the forums built a version that does not have this problem
[12:26] <redguy> I can't connect to windows 98 and xp hosts using smb:/ ioslave, though I can connect to a samba host. Can anyone point me to some place where I could read something to help me?
[12:28] <nikkia> redguy, do you get prompted for a username/password?
[12:28] <redguy> Or a place where I could get an error message more descriptive than the message from Konqueror (something among the lines 'there has been an error with connecting to the server')
[12:28] <redguy> nikkia: no
[12:29] <nikkia> redguy, try specifying them in the url, see if that works
[12:30] <nikkia> its standard url format for username/pass, so smb://user:pass@host/...
[12:30] <redguy> nikkia: there is no username and password set for these shares. The user should be guest then right?
[12:31] <nikkia> redguy, maybe
[12:31] <_StiloMan_> i need help with Mythtv in kubuntu
[12:31] <_StiloMan_> Help !!! please
[12:31] <_StiloMan_> anybody?
[12:31] <_StiloMan_> :_(
[12:34] <redguy> nikkia: still no luck, where the actual error message from the ioslave would be?
[12:35] <nikkia> redguy: tossed into the bitbucket probably
[12:36] <nikkia> redguy, try running konqueror from a konsole, and then accessing the smb: url, you're more likely to get a 'message' that way
[12:36] <MikeStyle> hi, im trying to install moodin engine for kde splash screens...can anyone help? i dont know how to install it
[12:39] <MikeStyle> ...anyone..
[12:43] <nikkia> anyone want to look at a smallish web page for me and tell me which pair of buttons they think look best ?
[12:45] <_heulSuSE_> nikkia: Just lokking and criticise?
[12:45] <Imrahil> it is odd. just upped to 3.4.2, control center is gone from the kmenu. weird huh?
[12:45] <Phantom^^> yeah i will :)
[12:45] <nikkia> _heulSuSE_: yeah, i can't decide on which pair look better
[12:45] <_heulSuSE_> ok, why not.
[12:45] <nikkia> http://nikki.gutterslut.info/~nikki/b_test
[12:45] <Phantom^^> bottom
[12:46] <Phantom^^> the reflection on top right top of button is a bit harsh
[12:46] <_heulSuSE_> both are the same?
[12:46] <Phantom^^> nope
[12:46] <nikkia> Phantom^^: yeah, thats my feeling too, but at the same time, its a bit better defined at the edge of the reflection
[12:46] <nikkia> (on the top image)
[12:46] <Phantom^^> nah the bottom ones are more comfy on the eyes
[12:47] <narg> Is there a way to make grub boot windows as default? (Setting up my sisters computer with kubuntu as a backup OS)
[12:47] <nikkia> Phantom^^: *nod*
[12:47] <_heulSuSE_> Phantom^^: You are right. The bottom ones.
[12:47] <Phantom^^> :)
[12:48] <nikkia> soft-light it is then :)
[12:49] <Phantom^^> hmm does anyone know the default konqueror download directory i downloaded a file and can't find it anywhere
[12:50] <nikkia> meanwhile, inkscape is continuing to baffle me
[12:50] <Phantom^^> what is inkscape ?
[12:50] <nikkia> most of my objects appear semi-transparent, whereas some are 100% opaque
[12:50] <nikkia> and the alpha is set to 255 in all of them *shrug*
[12:50] <Phantom^^> ahh
[12:51] <nikkia> Phantom^^: svg editor
[12:51] <Phantom^^> like photoshop ?
[12:51] <nikkia> Phantom^^: no, more like illustrator, but not quite
[12:51] <Phantom^^> ahh ok
[12:52] <narg> Phantom: Desktop? :p
[12:52] <Phantom^^> hmm thats so odd
[12:52] <Phantom^^> i guess that doom three installer i downloaded has dissapeared then :(
[12:52] <hater2win> anybody know how to change the color of the font on the desktop?
[12:53] <nikkia> Phantom^^: http://nikki.gutterslut.info/~nikki/inkscape.png
[12:54] <nikkia> wtf?
[12:54] <Phantom^^> whats up ?
[12:54] <nikkia> Phantom^^: my apache just stopped working, or something
[12:55] <narg> Hrm, anyone know roughly how big the default kubuntu install is?
[12:55] <Phantom^^> yeah i had trouble getting that file i t did nothing for like 15 secs
[12:55] <nikkia> Phantom^^: try : http://narch.1.vg/~nikki/inkscape.png
[12:55] <nikkia> it seems to be a weird DNS thing
[12:55] <narg> The first link worked for me btw :p
[12:56] <Phantom^^> odd yeah that looks cool
[12:56] <Phantom^^> Hmmm how do i remove packages
[12:56] <nikkia> Phantom^^: see how only the 'stop' decal is 100% opaque tho ?
[12:56] <Phantom^^> apt-get remove ?
[12:56] <narg> kynaptic or apt-get remove
[12:56] <Phantom^^> sweet
[12:56] <Phantom^^> yeah
[12:56] <narg> or synaptic if you have it
[12:56] <Phantom^^> and the grey ones are medium
[12:57] <Phantom^^> hmm
[12:57] <nikkia> Phantom^^: they all have a fill value of 0,0,0,255 tho
[12:57] <Phantom^^> very strange
[12:57] <nikkia> ah, the DNS is back now
[12:58] <nikkia> Phantom^^: there is one noticable difference i see
[12:58] <Phantom^^> which is ?
[12:58] <nikkia> the other objects are 'paths' according to inkscape, whereas the one that is dark is a rectangle primative
[12:59] <Phantom^^> can you change it ?
[12:59] <Phantom^^> and see what happens
[12:59] <nikkia> no
[12:59] <nikkia> i can convert the rect to a path, but not the other way around
[12:59] <nikkia> it stayed dark *shrug*
[01:00] <Phantom^^> what are you drawing them for ?
[01:00] <nikkia> doh, found it
[01:00] <nikkia> master opacity was set to 75.5% somehow
[01:00] <Phantom^^> yay
[01:01] <nikkia> i'd have thought it was obvious from the shapes what they were for :P
[01:01] <Phantom^^> hehe
[01:01] <Phantom^^> but where are you gonna put them :D
[01:01] <nikkia> on transport bar
[01:02] <nikkia> those objects get converted to a bitmap, and imported into gimp, where they become the legends on the buttons like the ones i asked for your comments on
[01:02] <Phantom^^> ah ok
[01:03] <nikkia> those buttons then get made into 3 state buttons, and put on a recessed brushed aluminum panel such as: http://nikki.gutterslut.info/~nikki/transport.1.png
[01:03] <nikkia> bah, bad DNS again
[01:04] <nikkia> http://narch.1.vg/~nikki/transport.1.png :)
[01:04] <Phantom^^> are you making a video player ?
[01:04] <nikkia> no, but close
[01:05] <Phantom^^> music player ?
[01:05] <nikkia> closer :P
[01:05] <Phantom^^> hehe
[01:05] <Phantom^^> a picture slideshow browser ?
[01:06] <nikkia> nah, you were closest with 'music player', but you need to bear in mind there is a red circle decal too :P
[01:06] <redguy> nikkia: it turned out to be a problem with my smb.conf file. my bad, sorry to bug you. and thanks :-)
[01:06] <nikkia> redguy: np, glad you found it
[01:08] <Phantom^^> I have come to the conclusion that linux is infintley better than silly microsoft software
[01:09] <web250> phantom^^ good observation
[01:09] <web250> its better now than its been in the 5 years on and off that ive been using it...its finally good enough on the desktop that i ditched windows
[01:11] <hater2win> ok, i liive in chicago, but for some odd reason, the only way to set the time to central time is to select chicago, or some foreign country. and now, because of that. i have to have CHICAGO in my taskbar all the time, even though i hate chicago and just want the time there. how can i make it just show the time not chicago?
[01:11] <hater2win> err
[01:11] <hater2win> i DONT live in chicago
[01:11] <hater2win> i live in texas
[01:11] <nikkia> hater2win: you can do it manually, which is the 'proper' way
[01:11] <Phantom^^> ok guys i just downloaded the doom 3 .run file from id's ftp server and am trying to install doom3 i was wondering how i actually run a run file ?
[01:12] <hater2win> nikkia: how?
[01:12] <web250> right click-->show timezone-->local timezone
[01:12] <web250> try that
[01:12] <nikkia> hater2win: sudo cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/CST6CDT /etc/localtime
[01:12] <nikkia> then put the clock back to local time
[01:12] <hater2win> does't work, according to local time zone, its 11:12 at night here in texas, which we all know it isnt
[01:13] <web250> should be 613 in texas right?
[01:13] <nikkia> hater2win: thats because your /etc/localtime isn't there, or is the wrong file
[01:13] <nikkia> hater2win: the system timezone is defined by that file, the original files for all timezones are in /usr/share/zoneinfo, so you copy the one relevant (in your case, CST6CDT although it'll need to be updated soon, great idea george!)
[01:14] <hater2win> yeah it should be 6:13, and its saying that CST6CDT doesnt exist
[01:14] <nikkia> 11:12 at night is UTC/GMT time, which is the default if you haven't setup a localtime file
[01:14] <hater2win> oh i see
[01:15] <nikkia> well, 11:15 at night now :P
[01:15] <nikkia> hater2win: it certainly should be there, my system has a /usr/share/zoneinfo/CST6CDT file
[01:16] <hater2win> mine has it too, wtf
[01:17] <hater2win> got it
[01:17] <hater2win> thanks for the help :)
[01:17] <nikkia> now if you do a 'date' at the command line, it should display the correct local time, and thus the kde clock should too
[01:17] <hater2win> well ill be damned
[01:17] <hater2win> so, when daylight savings time switched over, what do i need to do?
[01:18] <hater2win> switches*
[01:20] <nikkia> by switches do you mean 'is modified by king george's silly ideas' or 'switches over normally' ?
[01:20] <nikkia> normally, you'd do nothing at all, its all automatic
[01:20] <nikkia> but, since the US DST dates are changing this year, you will need to have updated zoneinfo files before then, and you will need to remember to copy the updated CST6CDT file into /etc/localtime again
[01:20] <nikkia> see, unlike windows, unix does timezones a little more smartly
[01:20] <nikkia> because the system is *always* working with the time in UTC, and only *displays* it to you in local time, you never get that mess you get on windows where it wants to keep resetting the clock :)
[01:21] <nikkia> the zoneinfo files contain the dates, times and offsets of DST start/end events, so the updates to fix the silly DST change this year, will be trivial, but you do need to remember to copy the file again once [k] ubuntu has updated versions
[01:21] <lluka> hey has anyone messed with project lookingglass?
[01:22] <hater2win> nice nice, so it has a reference date as to when it would be switching over, and on that date i need to copy it over again?
[01:22] <Phantom^^> anyone how to i use a .run file ?
[01:22] <nikkia> Phantom^^: run it :)
[01:22] <nikkia> Phantom^^: either ./file.run or sh file.run
[01:22] <lluka> phantom use sh
[01:24] <luminerd> Phantom^^, sh filename.run
[01:24] <luminerd> Phantom^^, or ./filename.run
[01:24] <luminerd> Phantom^^, they are generally files meant to run very automatically and "user-friendly" however I've experienced many-a-bug with them
[01:25] <Phantom^^> thanks for the info
[01:25] <luminerd> Phantom^^, np
[01:26] <lluka> Command: # echo "JAVA_HOME=/usr/java/jdk1.5.0" >> ~/.bash_profile
[01:26] <lluka> Command: # echo "PATH=$JAVA_HOME/bin:$PATH" >> ~/.bash_profile
[01:26] <lluka> how do i do that?
[01:26] <lluka> >_<
[01:26] <hater2win> nikkia: when daylight savings time comes, i should do sudo cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/CST6DST /etc/localtime
[01:26] <lluka> like the syntax
[01:26] <lluka> i dont understand it
[01:27] <nikkia> hater2win: no
[01:27] <nikkia> hater2win: the update to the clock will handle automatically
[01:27] <hater2win> oh ok
[01:27] <lluka> can someone help me with that syntax?
[01:27] <nikkia> hater2win: but, the problem is, bush has ordered DST to change at a different time this year
[01:27] <lluka> >_<
[01:27] <nikkia> hater2win: so all those files in /usr/share/zoneinfo are going to have to be updated sometime soon
[01:27] <hater2win> ah i see ok
[01:28] <nikkia> and once they're updated to reflect the new dates, you will need to do the copy again
[01:28] <hater2win> stupid george ass bush
[01:28] <nikkia> hater2win: if you think thats bad, just wait until your VCR is an hour wrong for 2 weeks
[01:28] <nikkia> hater2win: and there's NO way you're going to change ITS DST date rules
[01:29] <hater2win> lol, well thank god i dont have a VCR anymore =p
[01:29] <nikkia> worst of all, i think those files are provided by libc
[01:30] <nikkia> and upgrading libc on a system is a major PITA just to fix a little tiny problem like dates on DST
[01:30] <_heulSuSE_> Good Night!
[01:31] <hater2win> dang man, well that sucks, why did he order it change on a diff day?
[01:31] <nikkia> hater, 'to save oil'
[01:31] <hater2win> lol...
[01:31] <redguy> lol
[01:36] <hater2win> nikkia: is there way to change the color of the font on my desktop? I tried on the fonts setting in kconfig, but nothing. And even then, I tell it to have a regular font on it, and the font it displays is fat, looks bold to me.
[01:36] <bbailey> I thought the DST changes were for an additional four weeks, beginning in 2007.
[01:37] <nikkia> bbailey: hmm, i thought they were 2 weeks, this year, but i could be wrong
[01:37] <nikkia> either way, they're going to need updated zoneinfo files, and you'd be surprised how many apps bring their own :/
[01:37] <bbailey> If we're talking about the same changes that were wrapped up as part of the energy bill, it's 4 in 2007. If it's something else, I dunno.
[01:38] <bbailey> Yeah, still a pain in the ass either way. But we get two years to properly moan about it at least.
[01:38] <bbailey> I shall enjoy the blogs.
[01:38] <nikkia> hater2win: i don't know where its set, its got to be set somewhere tho
[01:39] <hater2win> yeah
[01:39] <Phantom^^> hey whats the shortcut to open the konsole from the desktop
[01:39] <nikkia> ahh
[01:39] <nikkia> found it
[01:39] <hater2win> where?
[01:40] <nikkia> hater2win: go to 'Background', then click 'Advanced Options' and there is the text colour for desktop icons in there
[01:41] <hater2win> nikkia: omfg, you are teh rock. that fixed both of my problems
[01:41] <nikkia> not the most logical of places for it to be, i suppose
[01:41] <hater2win> definately not...
[01:50] <TestMAD> anyone here by chance know an easy way for me to get more range from my wifi card?
[01:52] <hater2win> TestMAD: good old fasioned foil
[01:52] <TestMAD> explain
[01:52] <hater2win> wait nvm, that would be range on your wifi router
[01:52] <hater2win> my bad
[01:53] <TestMAD> im just wondering cus i have pcmia card for a lap that is like a few years old..and it gets awesome range..but my wificard in my pc only covers a few rooms
[01:54] <Otrayo> anyone know why the localhost is not brought up if eth0 isn't?
[01:54] <TestMAD> the pcmia card is strong enuff to pickup 6 other AP in my area..
[01:54] <Otrayo> loalhost as in lo
[01:56] <hater2win> if im downloading azureus for linux, do i need java installed?
[01:56] <hater2win> does that even make any sense?
[01:56] <Otrayo> hater2win: yes
[01:57] <Otrayo> for both
[01:57] <hater2win> i download java for Linux i586?
[01:58] <Otrayo> ya, that should be fine
[01:58] <Otrayo> if you're using a debian based distro such as ubuntu
[01:58] <Otrayo> then rather use apt-get
[01:58] <hater2win> oh ok
[01:58] <hater2win> so i sudo apt-get install java?
[01:59] <Otrayo> ya, that should work
[01:59] <hater2win> or sun0java?
[01:59] <hater2win> sun-java
[01:59] <Narg_> I installed, and X defaulted to some funky 600x800 or something like that. The video card and moniter runs 1024x786 on windows. When I try to go in Kcontrol display, kde crashes. This normal?
[01:59] <Otrayo> java alone should be fine
[02:00] <Otrayo> what gfx card you using Narg_?
[02:01] <Narg_> intel inegrated crap :p I use i800 on my other box.
[02:01] <Narg_> Same here too
[02:01] <Narg_> i800 driver*
[02:02] <Narg_> They are both dell dimension 3000s.
[02:02] <Narg_> actually this one is 2400, I stand corrected.
[02:02] <Otrayo> mmm...probably drivers
[02:03] <Otrayo> though it should work, i mean if its intel integrated
[02:03] <Narg_> yea... its pretty standard stuff.
[02:03] <Narg_> You'd think i800 would work.
[02:03] <Otrayo> ya
[02:03] <Narg_> gah, I gtg. I'll be back later.
[02:03] <Otrayo> ubuntu picks up my radeon 9200 mobility no prob
[02:05] <hater2win> hmm
[02:05] <hater2win> sudo apt-get isntall java isn't working
[02:05] <Otrayo> it should
[02:05] <Otrayo> oh well...just download and install from source then
[02:06] <Otrayo> but to let you know, when i did it for some wierd reason it never added java to my path
[02:06] <Otrayo> but azureus did pick it up fine anyway
[02:06] <hater2win> lol
[02:06] <hater2win> thanks for the confidence booster =)
[02:06] <hater2win> kidding, lol
[02:06] <Otrayo> hehe
[02:06] <hater2win> so, any ideas how i would go about playing AVIs on this biatch
[02:08] <Otrayo> should work out without any configuration
[02:08] <Otrayo> are you using kaffeine?
[02:09] <hater2win> yeah
[02:09] <hater2win> doesnt work for some reason
[02:09] <hater2win> lol, does it matter that im trying to load a file from a mounted NTFS drive?
[02:10] <Epod69_> hey, when using the nvidia driver X hangs when booting up showing only a black screen..has anyone else encountered this problem?
[02:11] <Otrayo> hater2win: for some reason i found that kaffeine doesn't open "non-local" files just by clicking on them
[02:11] <hater2win> so you have to open through kaff?
[02:11] <Otrayo> ya
[02:11] <hater2win> i see i see
[02:11] <hater2win> yeah it works
[02:11] <Otrayo> well that happened with cds at least
[02:12] <Otrayo> :)
[02:12] <hater2win> ty ty
[02:12] <hater2win> you've been very helpful to me grasshoppa
[02:13] <Otrayo> np :)
[02:13] <Otrayo> grasshoppa?
[02:13] <hater2win> lol
[02:13] <hater2win> well
[02:13] <hater2win> i just figured out
[02:14] <hater2win> its not opening non-locals even through "open a file
[02:14] <hater2win> but it opens up fine with "open a dir"
[02:14] <Otrayo> ya...kaffeine is wierd
[02:14] <Otrayo> im gonna switch to standard gmplayer
[02:16] <hater2win> ahg
[02:16] <hater2win> ah*
[02:17] <hater2win> omfg 24, is such an awesome show
[02:18] <Otrayo> hmmm...never taken the time to watch it
[02:18] <hater2win> you should
[02:18] <hater2win> its crazy
[02:19] <Otrayo> csi type show or what?
[02:19] <hater2win> no
[02:19] <hater2win> this SMASHES csi
[02:19] <Otrayo> whats it about?
[02:19] <hater2win> this is like
[02:19] <hater2win> a 24 hour movie
[02:19] <hater2win> its like a really long movie
[02:20] <hater2win> its about a special ops agent who takes care of business n shit
[02:20] <hater2win> but it happens in real time
[02:20] <Otrayo> mmm...sounds interesting
[02:20] <Otrayo> will download it
[02:20] <hater2win> so an actual season of 24 is 24 actual hours of video
[02:20] <Otrayo> how many season are there?
[02:20] <Otrayo> seasons*
[02:20] <hater2win> 4 so far, 5th starts in January
[02:20] <Otrayo> ok
[02:25] <Otrayo> omg...x-window-system-dev is a 48mb download
[02:25] <hater2win> lol
[02:25] <Otrayo> still takes 15 mins though :/
[02:26] <hater2win> then download it on 56k :-p
[02:26] <Otrayo> hater2win: i found some nice documentation on setting up multimedia on *buntu
[02:26] <hater2win> lets see it
[02:26] <supernix> that is why it is good to have 3mbps cable
[02:26] <Otrayo> supernix: omf, you got that?
[02:27] <supernix> Yup :D
[02:27] <Otrayo> www.oldskoolphreak.com/tfiles/hack/ubuntu.txt <-- looks good!
[02:27] <Otrayo> grrr...
[02:27] <supernix> I don't know what I ever did without it before
[02:27] <Otrayo> how much you pay for it supernix?
[02:27] <supernix> roughly around $50 a month
[02:27] <hater2win> not bad at all
[02:27] <Otrayo> any cap?
[02:28] <supernix> There is a 712kbps cap
[02:28] <Otrayo> mmm...
[02:28] <hater2win> not bad...
[02:28] <Otrayo> here in south africa im paying about the equivalent of about $100 for 512/256 dsl with a 3gig pm cap
[02:28] <hater2win> wow
[02:29] <supernix> that is bad that they don't have better communications lines than that
[02:29] <Otrayo> thats south africa for you...
[02:29] <Otrayo> we only have one national operator so they can charge as much as they want
[02:29] <supernix> I heard that you have to be rich to have communications lines at all in africa and other places like that
[02:29] <Otrayo> though a second one has been licensed
[02:29] <Otrayo> supernix: you heard right
[02:29] <hater2win> lol
[02:30] <hater2win> Otrayo: how are you rich?
[02:30] <Otrayo> haterwin: not *rich*, rather well off
[02:30] <Otrayo> hater2win even
[02:30] <hater2win> ah, mind if i ask what you do in af?
[02:31] <Otrayo> im a student, its my parents who work
[02:31] <Otrayo> what do you do hater2win?
[02:31] <hater2win> oh, im a student also
[02:32] <Otrayo> what you studying?
[02:32] <hater2win> computer science engineerings
[02:32] <hater2win> engineering even
[02:32] <Otrayo> mmm...ok
[02:33] <hater2win> Otrayo: by the way, you dont know hwo much you scared me when you put haterwin on accident. the text didnt show up red and i thought something was wrong. When there is even a HINT that something is wrong in linux, i panic... LOL
[02:34] <Otrayo> lol
[02:34] <Otrayo> it is my goal in life to find something wrong in linux
[02:34] <hater2win> lol
[02:34] <Otrayo> or with linux if you like
[02:35] <Otrayo> i feel like a missionary though
[02:35] <hater2win> lol
[02:35] <Otrayo> im trying to get everyone i know to convert
[02:35] <hater2win> heh
[02:35] <Otrayo> like yesterday, my friend called my asking me how to convert music to mp3...
[02:35] <hater2win> its difficult, especially in the days where a windows machine is so easy to configure and set up
[02:36] <Otrayo> and i said you need specific software to do it, which doesnt come default with windows...but it does with linux
[02:36] <Otrayo> hater2win: i beg to differ
[02:37] <Otrayo> hater2win: i dont think linux is any harder, its just that when you've been using windows all your life, trying to learn to use a different o/s with a completely different architecture isnt easy
[02:37] <hater2win> Otrayo: the problem is, it DOES take some setting up. you have to enter commands and things like that intimidate people because computers intimidate people
[02:37] <Otrayo> if some were brought up using linux they would have no idea how to use windows
[02:38] <hater2win> true
[02:38] <Otrayo> hater2win: there are gui interfaces for almost every system setting that would need to be changed
[02:38] <Otrayo> the only time when you need to use the command line is when you want to do something very specific
[02:38] <Otrayo> something which "that other operating system" cant even do
[02:38] <hater2win> this is tru
[02:39] <Otrayo> anyway...enough ranting from me
[02:39] <hater2win> heh
[02:39] <hater2win> i agree/disagree with you
[02:39] <Otrayo> hehe
[02:39] <hater2win> i agree that its easy to set up, because i only started using linux a few days ago and im already getting used to things kind of. the routine is becoming farmiliar to me.
[02:40] <hater2win> but like i said. some things are just too intimidating for the average user
[02:40] <hater2win> it takes at least a LITTLE dedication
[02:40] <Otrayo> i agree, but doesnt "that other operating system" take some dedication as well
[02:41] <hater2win> alot of people will think "why the hell should i do this, when i could just hit install and its done with"
[02:41] <Otrayo> i mean you cant just put a complete n00b behind a windows desktop and tell them to install java for instance
[02:41] <hater2win> this is true
[02:41] <Otrayo> and with most of the newer distros you can also just hit install
[02:42] <hater2win> yeah
[02:42] <hater2win> and i agree
[02:42] <hater2win> its like a filter
[02:42] <hater2win> everybody has a breaking point
[02:43] <hater2win> except for absolute linux nerds (who, even some still have windows on their boxes)
[02:43] <hater2win> and those breaking points can vary
[02:43] <hater2win> for alot of people
[02:43] <Otrayo> ya i agree
[02:43] <hater2win> their breaking point IS having to learn wtf a partition is
[02:43] <hater2win> for some, it will be having to CREATE a partition
[02:44] <hater2win> for others, actually knowing how to install
[02:44] <hater2win> and it is like a giant funnel
[02:44] <hater2win> and at the very tip
[02:44] <Otrayo> true true, but i must argue, the same applies for a windows installation, you have to set partitions, etc
[02:45] <hater2win> well thats the thing, people can BUY a computer with windows on it and never have to reinstall in their life. they take it to best buy and pay 150 dollars to do something they could have done themselves
[02:45] <Otrayo> lol...true
[02:45] <Otrayo> but...
[02:45] <hater2win> some people have no clue what the hell a partition is, much less that it involves an installation
[02:45] <Otrayo> here in south africa i've seen companies selling build up computers
[02:46] <Otrayo> and offering a free installation of suse
[02:47] <Otrayo> and i'll admit, i do have a hard drive with windows on it, but i only boot into it every few months and only when i have to do an assignment which requires access or excel or vb, when i have no choice but to use microsoft software
[02:47] <Otrayo> if given the choice i would much rather use mysql or OO.o
[02:47] <hater2win> understandably so
[02:47] <hater2win> but its the same reason why firefox still has a 12% market share
[02:47] <hater2win> because some people just arent willing to understand
[02:48] <hater2win> and frankly, just dont give a damn
[02:48] <Otrayo> omg...12% is huge
[02:48] <hater2win> well
[02:48] <Otrayo> microsoft is shitting itself
[02:48] <hater2win> i know 12% is huge
[02:48] <hater2win> i know its huge
[02:48] <hater2win> its BIG TIME
[02:48] <hater2win> thats like... DAMN
[02:48] <hater2win> but
[02:48] <hater2win> 12% is still ONLY 12%
[02:48] <hater2win> its huge when you consider how dominant IE is
[02:48] <Otrayo> well, take a browser which comes installed by default with the operating system that runs on 90% of desktops
[02:49] <Otrayo> and -4t 5t 4- against a browser developed by a relatively small non profit company
[02:49] <Otrayo> gawd
[02:49] <Otrayo> and put it up against...
[02:49] <Otrayo> *
[02:49] <hater2win> i understand
[02:49] <hater2win> i know what you are saying
[02:49] <hater2win> and i agree
[02:50] <hater2win> all im saying is, more people "dont give a damn" than "do give a damn"
[02:50] <hater2win> and until that changes
[02:50] <hater2win> we will continue to see firefox and linux only "gaining steam" and not "running away with the market"
[02:51] <Otrayo> and the more people that "dont give a damn" will be the ones whos machines will be exploited and will eventually get fed up with windows and will make the switch just to get away from the bug-ridden, insecure windows
[02:51] <Otrayo> and those who "do give a damn" will say, "hey, this open source stuff is pretty cool"
[02:51] <Otrayo> and just switch anyway
[02:52] <hater2win> well yeah
[02:52] <Otrayo> hehe...
[02:52] <Otrayo> so the open source community benefits anyway
[02:53] <hater2win> and at the point when they get fed up
[02:53] <hater2win> is when they start giving a damn
[02:53] <hater2win> so yeah, once more people are converted from "dont give a damn" to "do give a damn" (by whatever means), then we will continue to see firefox and linux only "gaining steam" and not "running away with the market"
[02:53] <hater2win> yeah
[02:53] <hater2win> so in the end
[02:53] <hater2win> we are both right i guess
[02:53] <Otrayo> lol, i guess so
[02:54] <Otrayo> coffee time
[02:54] <Otrayo> brb
[02:54] <hater2win> heh
[02:54] <hater2win> kk
[02:57] <epod69_> hey, when commeting out glx, X starts up just fine...
[02:57] <epod69_> what can cause glx to not work correctly
[03:02] <Otrayo> wrong drivers?
[03:02] <Otrayo> or bad ones?
[03:03] <epod69_> sorry, im back
[03:04] <epod69_> the drivers are the latest
[03:04] <_hater2win> lol
[03:04] <_hater2win> netsplit
[03:04] <_hater2win> that was crazy
[03:04] <Otrayo> hehe
[03:04] <epod69_> im using nvidia drivers right now, are glx seperate from nvidia ?
[03:04] <Otrayo> ya i think so
[03:05] <epod69_> hmm..i thought glx came and installed with the nvidia installer
[03:05] <Otrayo> well glx are seperate from the ati driver which is flgrx or something
[03:05] <Otrayo> so im assuming its the same for nvidia
[03:05] <Otrayo> there's lots of information on linux and nvidia graphics cards online
[03:05] <Otrayo> tru google
[03:05] <Otrayo> *try
[03:06] <epod69_> the readme in nvidia says to add load glx and change nv to nvidia
[03:06] <Otrayo> so try it
[03:06] <epod69_> yea, I know, i have only been researching for a few hours now
[03:06] <epod69_> the glx does load right
[03:06] <epod69_> x hangs when it says "initializing extension glx"
[03:07] <Otrayo> hmmm...well im not too clued up on setting up gfx cards....it took me forever to figure out how to get the proprietory ati drivers and they sucked
[03:07] <Otrayo> but nvidia is supposed to be easier than ati
[03:08] <Otrayo> does it just hang? or do you get any error messages?
[03:08] <epod69_> ah, i heard ati sucks for linux so i didnt get ati, theres a lot of petetions being signed to let ati know they want good drivers
[03:08] <epod69_> it hangs, just shows a black screen, the last line in the xorg log is "initializing extension glx"
[03:09] <_hater2win> alright
[03:09] <_hater2win> ill brb
[03:09] <_hater2win> gonna go pick up my copy of madden 06
[03:09] <epod69_> send me an iso =P
[03:09] <Otrayo> ya, me too :P
[03:09] <epod69_> lol
[03:09] <_hater2win> will do ;)
[03:10] <_hater2win> back in about 30
[03:10] <epod69_> k, ill be waiting, oh, which system is it for ?\
[03:10] <_hater2win> PS2
[03:10] <epod69_> damn..need xbox, lol
[03:10] <_hater2win> lol
[03:11] <_hater2win> you could probably find it at the bay at which pirate convene
[03:11] <_hater2win> you know
[03:11] <epod69_> i havent tried it yet but i heard with the right mod chip you can put linux on the xbox
[03:11] <_hater2win> that ORGanization at the PIRATE BAY
[03:11] <_hater2win> please dont ban me...
[03:11] <_hater2win> lol
[03:11] <_hater2win> aight brb
[03:13] <epod69_> the nvidia driver from ubuntu says nvidia-glx, so i think they are suppose to be together in one package...
[03:14] <Otrayo> mmm...i wouldnt know
[03:14] <epod69_> i couldnt get nvidia from ubuntu to work once I switched to the 686 kernel..., whenever i try to install it now, it needs to install the 386 kernel as well
[03:14] <Otrayo> brb
[03:15] <epod69_> k
[03:21] <kinus> mmm...
[03:21] <kinus> *buntu themes....can you get them via apt-get?
[03:26] <PowerMAC> Hi
[03:27] <kinus> lo
[03:27] <PowerMAC> Can you help me with my LiveCD problems?
[03:28] <kinus> i can try
[03:29] <PowerMAC> I downloaded the LiveCD recently and when I burn the ISO to a CD, my computer doesn't boot form the CD
[03:30] <kinus> did you configure your machine to boot from cd?
[03:30] <PowerMAC> ya i have a dell and i press F12 to load up a Boot Menu and I select CD
[03:31] <kinus> and?
[03:31] <kinus> what does it say?
[03:32] <epod69_> make sure cd is set to boot before the harddrive
[03:32] <PowerMAC> nothign it just boots straight to Windows
[03:32] <EasterSunshine> powermac: do you have multiple cdrom drivers? i think it needs to be in your primary one
[03:33] <kinus> PowerMAC: it seems like it's not finding a boot record on the cd then, which means that it will then boot the from the next boot device instead
[03:33] <kinus> does it say anything about searching for boot record?
[03:33] <PowerMAC> nope
[03:33] <PowerMAC> it just shows a black screen for a bit
[03:33] <PowerMAC> then boots windows
[03:34] <redguy> does the cdrom led blink for a while even?
[03:34] <kinus> ya, that will determine whether its even reading the cd or not
[03:34] <PowerMAC> i'm not even sure it does that
[03:34] <PowerMAC> I'm gonna download it again
[03:35] <kinus> just use the md5
[03:35] <kinus> and maybe burn at a slower speed
[03:35] <PowerMAC> now I just burn the ISO to a CD right?
[03:35] <PowerMAC> using Nero
[03:35] <epod69_> dont just put the iso file on the cd as a datafile, burn it to a cd as a cd image
[03:36] <PowerMAC> ya that's what i mean
[03:36] <epod69_> ya, i think you did it right the first time then
[03:36] <redguy> if it does the problem is most likely to be a corrupt download, if it doesn't the problem would be your Dell not booting from cd. Try with Windows install cd perhaps?
[03:36] <epod69_> are you sure you have the cd or removable media checked in the boot order before the hard drive
[03:36] <PowerMAC> Alright just checking cause in Nero it says something about a Bootable CD
[03:37] <PowerMAC> ya My Windows Install CD worsk fine
[03:37] <PowerMAC> *works
[03:37] <epod69_> you shouldnt have to worry abou that, just burn the iso as a cd image to the cd
[03:37] <epod69_> what is the size of the image file ?
[03:37] <kinus> file -> burn iso/cd image
[03:37] <redguy> then it's most likely a corrupt download, try md5 to make sure
[03:37] <PowerMAC> like 600MB
[03:38] <PowerMAC> kk I'm gonna redownload it
[03:38] <epod69_> make sure it matches what it says the download size is
[03:38] <PowerMAC> kk
[03:38] <epod69_> if the sizes match there is not need to waste bandwith downloadin it again
[03:39] <epod69_> if you cant get nero to work, you could try downloading ' alcohol 120% ' for burning cd images, i think its easier, i think you can download a full trial version
[03:39] <redguy> epod69_: if matching size would determine if a download is corrupt or not, why would people use md5 sums?
[03:40] <Tri-bune> anybody can help me
[03:40] <epod69_> just to make sure i guess...its very rare that if download sizes are correct that the file would be corrupt
[03:41] <Tri-bune> i can't use my floppy drive and my partition space
[03:41] <PowerMAC> well i"m redownloaded it
[03:41] <redguy> PowerMAC: kinus had a usefull tip as well, try re-burning the cd
[03:41] <PowerMAC> I did that almost 5 times
[03:42] <epod69_> Tri-bune, can you boot from your floppy, and what do you mean by your partition space
[03:42] <Tri-bune> received meesage mount ://dev/fdo/ is not a valid block
[03:42] <PowerMAC> thanks for helping man
[03:42] <epod69_> PowerMAC, try the md5 and then download alcohol 120%
[03:42] <Tri-bune> i'm using dual boot
[03:42] <kinus> Tri-bune: mount -t auto /dev/fd0 /media/floppy
[03:42] <Tri-bune> i can't mount my winxp space
[03:42] <epod69_> POWERMAC*
[03:42] <epod69_> sorry
[03:42] <epod69_> wrong person
[03:43] <epod69_> tri-bune, what does fstab say ?
[03:43] <kinus> mmm...anyone manage to get splashy installed?
[03:43] <Tri-bune> epod69.. i'm a new user. what does fstab mean?
[03:44] <redguy> Tri-bune: fdo? should be fd0 i think...
[03:44] <epod69_> read the /etc/fstab file
[03:44] <PowerMAC> Okay epod
[03:44] <Tri-bune> sorry miss type fd0
[03:44] <kinus> Tri-Bune: for winxp (ntfs) partition
[03:44] <Tri-bune> mount -t auto /dev/fd0 /media/floppy <-- after doing this in terminal.. ope kde browser.. storage media.... click floppy... still can't open
[03:45] <kinus> sudo mkdir /media/windows
[03:45] <Tri-bune> winxp i did set install under ntfs system
[03:45] <coolblue> how do i put icons to right side of panel help plz?
[03:45] <kinus> mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /media/windows (replace hda1 with partition)
[03:45] <epod69_> Tri-bune, linux doesnt play friendly with ntfs partitions
[03:46] <kinus> coolblue: do you want to move them or create them?
[03:46] <epod69_> if you install windows and want to share with linux you should partition with fat32
[03:46] <coolblue> how do i CREATE icons to LEFT side of panel help plz? when i add, they move to right side?
[03:46] <Tri-bune> :~$ sudo mkdir/media/windows
[03:46] <Tri-bune> Password:
[03:46] <Tri-bune> sudo: mkdir/media/windows: command not found
[03:46] <kinus> coolblue: right-click the icon and click move
[03:46] <epod69_> coolblue, they should have a handle on the side so you can drag them
[03:47] <kinus> without the :
[03:47] <epod69_> mkdir *space
[03:47] <PowerMAC> I got a question
[03:47] <coolblue> hey thanks that was so easy!
[03:47] <kinus> coolblue: no problem
[03:47] <coolblue> thanks kinus & epod:)
[03:47] <epod69_> heh, no prob
[03:47] <epod69_> coolblue*
[03:47] <PowerMAC> does KDE have a drag and drop interface like Mac OSX?
[03:47] <epod69_> oh, whichever one you chose..lol
[03:47] <Tri-bune> still error
[03:48] <kinus> mmm...again, anyone manage to get splashy to work?
[03:48] <PowerMAC> where everything you can drag and drop
[03:48] <coolblue> anyone knows how to hide files?
[03:48] <epod69_> Tri-bune, what is the error?
[03:48] <epod69_> coolblue, name them with a dot in front of them
[03:49] <coolblue> so simple!!!!
[03:49] <Tri-bune> if you install windows and want to share with linux you should partition with fat32 <- do i need to re install my window and reinstall my kubuntu?
[03:49] <PowerMAC> or
[03:49] <epod69_> Tri-bune, you would have to reinstall windows
[03:49] <coolblue> anyone using mozilla here?
[03:49] <kinus> Tri-bune, the linux kernel is very limited when it comes to ntfs and you should only ever remount a ntfs partition as ro
[03:49] <PowerMAC> You could use PartitionMagic and create a new Parition for Ubunuto
[03:50] <PowerMAC> *Kubuntu
[03:50] <kinus> coolblue: most do i think
[03:50] <kinus> mmm...anyone know what ubuntu means?
[03:50] <epod69_> coolblue, firefox
[03:50] <Tri-bune> error information : mount :/ can't find /dev/hda1/ in etc/fstab or etc/mtab
[03:50] <redguy> huh? nobody's using konqueror?
[03:50] <epod69_> if you count that as mozilla
[03:50] <coolblue> im talking abt mozilla suite??
[03:50] <kinus> redguy: ya i do
[03:51] <coolblue> is there an ext in mozilla to turn images on/off?
[03:51] <Tri-bune> hmm... that mean i have to reinstall my windows... should i reintall my kubuntu eopd69?
[03:52] <PowerMAC> Tribune
[03:52] <epod69_> you could try adding a line to fstab
[03:52] <PowerMAC> Get Partitionmagic
[03:52] <kinus> PowerMAC: no way
[03:52] <PowerMAC> and create a new partition using Fat32
[03:52] <PowerMAC> then install Kubuntu on that partition
[03:52] <Tri-bune> partition magic using at window xp?
[03:52] <PowerMAC> ya
[03:52] <kinus> PowerMAC: using tools to edit your partitions in playing on the wild side
[03:52] <Tri-bune> would it be effect my files?
[03:53] <Tri-bune> ohhh
[03:53] <PowerMAC> I've done it before
[03:53] <Tri-bune> i get it power mac
[03:53] <Tri-bune> i will try
[03:53] <coolblue> hey one question- anyone tried Suse before?
[03:53] <epod69_> Tri-bune, if you repartition your hardrive you lose all your files
[03:53] <PowerMAC> no you wont
[03:53] <Tri-bune> i did use suse before
[03:53] <coolblue> why didnt u like it tribune?
[03:53] <Tri-bune> before i use kubuntu
[03:53] <epod69_> i havent edited fstab in a long time but you would add something like /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows for the first two parts of a new line in fstab
[03:53] <Tri-bune> i always facing problem with CUPS
[03:53] <coolblue> hmm..u mean printing?
[03:54] <Tri-bune> when using suse
[03:54] <Tri-bune> yup
[03:54] <Tri-bune> printing
[03:54] <coolblue> thats all.....
[03:54] <Tri-bune> and................... it not free anymore.. hahahaha
[03:54] <Tri-bune> kubuntu free open source
[03:54] <epod69_> coolblue, adding a printer is pretty easy with the kde control center
[03:54] <coolblue> it is:)
[03:54] <kinus> Tri-bune: you get OpenSuSE now
[03:54] <coolblue> heard of opensuse?
[03:54] <epod69_> i really havent had a problem with cups, but every printer is different
[03:54] <Tri-bune> yup
[03:54] <Tri-bune> i do
[03:55] <coolblue> suse is beautiful........
[03:55] <Tri-bune> weill i did try using suse in my office pc
[03:55] <coolblue> lets u troubleshoot grub problems the GUI way........
[03:55] <coolblue> i like that very much.......
[03:55] <coolblue> plus 5 CDs with tons of free stuff & goodies......
[03:55] <Tri-bune> for me.... kubuntu very simple.. and i have to start learning kubuntu since my daughter like it
[03:56] <coolblue> i see.......
[03:56] <kinus> when wanting to view files on other hosts on the lan kubuntu always tries to copy the files to the /tmp dir first, anyway to get past this?
[03:56] <coolblue> but suse hardly requires any post-install configuration...
[03:56] <Tri-bune> i did down load lots of Live CD for her.. and she like kubuntu & knoppix 3.8
[03:57] <coolblue> its good for TOTAL newbies like me..but I like kubuntu too:)
[03:57] <coolblue> i mean suse......
[03:57] <Tri-bune> can anybody help me
[03:57] <Tri-bune> i did install lime wire
[03:57] <coolblue> she didnt like suse?
[03:57] <Tri-bune> and follow the instruction
[03:57] <coolblue> yes what hep u need?
[03:57] <coolblue> :)
[03:57] <Tri-bune> she did like it.... but.. he love to use XMMS only :))
[03:57] <epod69_> Tri-bune, whats really cool is using blackbox, although a lot more boring, but apps load up in a snap of a finger then
[03:58] <coolblue> xmms is there in suse:)
[03:58] <Tri-bune> ii did install limewire follow as guide line given until to ubuntu desktop
[03:58] <coolblue> anyways lets stop this suse talk:)
[03:58] <Tri-bune> how can i edit limewire in k destop
[03:58] <epod69_> Tri-bune, i use limewire too ^^
[03:58] <Tri-bune> wow!
[03:58] <Tri-bune> help me how to use it
[03:58] <Tri-bune> in window i can use it
[03:59] <Tri-bune> but in kubuntu i can't see where it is
[03:59] <coolblue> what does limewire do??????
[03:59] <Tri-bune> download songs :))
[03:59] <epod69_> tri-bune, you downloaded it and installed it?
[03:59] <coolblue> like kazzaa?
[03:59] <redguy> coolblue: it's a gnutella client i think
[03:59] <Tri-bune> yup
[03:59] <Tri-bune> yup
[03:59] <coolblue> whats gnutella? sorry im a n00b:)
[03:59] <epod69_> if so, just right click on my computer and click create new, then link to application
[04:00] <Tri-bune> but where does it application folder?
[04:00] <Tri-bune> that the point
[04:00] <Tri-bune> if window easy to browse in program file
[04:00] <epod69_> under application tab in the command box type in limewire then click ok
[04:00] <Tri-bune> in kubuntu? is it in usr?
[04:01] <Tri-bune> brb - trying
[04:01] <epod69_> then you have your icon!
[04:01] <redguy> coolblue: a p2p network, like ed2k (edonkey, emule) or fasttrack (kazaa)
[04:02] <epod69_> it wont be any cool limewire icon though...you have to find one online or find a tool that will convert the limewire.ico into a .png
[04:02] <coolblue> p2p means point to point??
[04:02] <epod69_> lol
[04:02] <epod69_> peer to peer
[04:02] <epod69_> for sharing file
[04:02] <coolblue> i see..........lol
[04:02] <epod69_> files*
[04:03] <coolblue> this channel is far more active & nice then ubuntu forums:)
[04:03] <coolblue> i enjoy being here:)
[04:03] <epod69_> yea, you have easy questions though i still havent got mine answerd
[04:04] <coolblue> whats ur question ??
[04:04] <epod69_> if your starting out in linux it is really nice on irc, everyone can help you out
[04:04] <epod69_> cant get my glx extensions to work with my nvidia driver...
[04:04] <coolblue> not every channel is that nice.....
[04:05] <coolblue> in one beginner linux channel, a guy called me f***** hopeless!
[04:05] <epod69_> yea, some of the crowded ones really arent, if someone accually listens to you ##linux can be helpful sometimes
[04:05] <epod69_> yea, well some people are idiots
[04:05] <epod69_> not you i mean
[04:05] <coolblue> lol ha ha.....
[04:06] <coolblue> i know:)
[04:06] <epod69_> =P
[04:06] <coolblue> anyone knows how i can prevent someone from messing with my linux system through live cd?
[04:06] <epod69_> not have the cd bootable
[04:07] <epod69_> and have the computer locked up with laser traps around it =D
[04:07] <coolblue> i didnt get it......u mean in bios?
[04:07] <epod69_> yea
[04:07] <coolblue> but anyone can go inside bios and change it??????/
[04:08] <epod69_> go to bios and have the hard drive be the first to bootup, it will load the computer up faster too
[04:08] <epod69_> not if you make a password protection on the bios
[04:08] <coolblue> will i be prompted for a password at bootup?
[04:09] <epod69_> no
[04:09] <coolblue> i see.....
[04:09] <epod69_> theres also a password for that though
[04:10] <coolblue> ????
[04:10] <coolblue> bootup password????
[04:10] <Tri-bune> wow
[04:10] <Tri-bune> i did browse my limewire
[04:10] <epod69_> yea, basically, but you just want to put a password from someone entering the cmos/bios
[04:10] <Tri-bune> which file should i link to my kubuntu destop
[04:11] <Tri-bune> funny there is limewire.exe <-- this for window
[04:11] <epod69_> yea, lol
[04:11] <PowerMAC> So what's all of ya'lls favorite icecream?
[04:11] <epod69_> did you get your limewire desktop icon Tri-bune ?
[04:11] <epod69_> not the icon, but the application
[04:11] <Tri-bune> wait
[04:11] <Tri-bune> ico .. there is ico files
[04:12] <epod69_> yea, but they dont work with linux
[04:12] <m0zone> hey guys what wireless card do you guys recomend for no bs works out of the box with ubuntu?
[04:13] <epod69_> when you click on that big square on the general tab, the icon, you can pick an icon from the computer if you then go to other icons, then browse, it tells you what format then the icon has to be
[04:14] <TestMAD> even if it doesnt work out the box..couldnt you still use the ndis wrapper?
[04:14] <epod69_> m0zone, you should google for good linux wireless cards, i would say stay away from some of the d-links cause they need madwifi drivers which are still buggy and dont work that great
[04:14] <epod69_> its always better to use native drivers
[04:14] <m0zone> i have a couple of linksys cards and they sorta junk in linux
[04:14] <TestMAD> linksys is crap..but has good linux support
[04:15] <epod69_> i heard linksys is better quality, at least from d-link that is
[04:15] <coolblue> what laptop would be best for kubuntu?
[04:15] <m0zone> yea but no linux support for there newer cards cards didnt cost me anything so not to worryed if they have to b tossed or traded off
[04:15] <m0zone> i am haveing good luck with a 500$ laptop atm
[04:16] <m0zone> hp zed4200 everything works but hotkeys
[04:20] <coolblue36> atm?
[04:27] <coolblue36> hey i have one prob.......when i open anyhting with ark it says..."the utility unrar is not in ur PATH"
[04:27] <epod69_> wheres my copy!
[04:27] <crimsun> coolblue36: install unrar-nonfree from multiverse
[04:28] <epod69_> _hater2win, did you play it yet
[04:28] <epod69_> ?
[04:28] <_hater2win> epod69_: not yet, sliding it in as we speak
[04:28] <epod69_> heh
[04:28] <_hater2win> man that sounded exceedingly nasty
[04:29] <coolblue36> but it worked in other distros.......
[04:29] <epod69_> crimsun, why cant ubuntu just install the needed packages when installed and say like use at your own risk or something...
[04:29] <crimsun> epod69_: rather large security risk there
[04:29] <epod69_> brb, im trying a uninstall an reinstall of nvidia..
[04:29] <epod69_> hope it works
[04:30] <epod69_> crimsun, yea, unrar is such a huge hole..lol
[04:30] <epod69_> brb
[04:31] <web250> can anyone explain why because of my new USB mouse, X reboots randomly because of /dev/vcs7 and /dev/vcsa7 being removed?
[05:02] <kinus> anyone around?
[05:07] <nocloud> why is it that battery life under linux is a lot shorter than battery life using windows?
[05:08] <_hater2win> *shrug* i noticed that my computer works alot harder to run linux for some reason
[05:08] <_hater2win> gets really hot
[05:08] <_hater2win> i had to dedicate a small house fan to it
[05:08] <nocloud> yea, i noticed that
[05:09] <nocloud> especially around the hard drive and wireless areas of the computer
[05:09] <_hater2win> seriously
[05:09] <_hater2win> well good, at least i know now its not my computer that sucks
[05:09] <_hater2win> lol
[05:09] <_hater2win> i was like, omfg, i just upgraded earlier this year, dont tell me im out of date already
[05:09] <_hater2win> i honestly though linux would run much lighter
[05:09] <_hater2win> but it doesnt for some odd reason
[05:10] <nocloud> i think windows has some special power saving features for the wireless
[05:10] <nocloud> while linux runs it at full all the time
[05:10] <nocloud> also, its possible that windows file system is more efficient than linux so the hard drive has to work less
[05:11] <nocloud> and, it may have something to do with the windows system idle process
[05:11] <_hater2win> yeah
[05:11] <_hater2win> thats true
[05:11] <_hater2win> that and i have liek
[05:11] <_hater2win> freaking
[05:11] <_hater2win> 80 processes running in linux
[05:12] <nocloud> yea, i have about the same here
[05:12] <nocloud> and linux uses a lot more ram typically cause it caches a lot of data
[05:12] <_hater2win> 70 processes running
[05:12] <_hater2win> and i have no clue what 67 of them are doing
[05:12] <pl_ice> anyone uses matlab?
[05:12] <nocloud> 85 processes for me
[05:13] <nocloud> but i think only 76 when i first boot up
[05:13] <_hater2win> man
[05:13] <_hater2win> kaffeine is taking up most of my system resources, and isnt EVEN RUNNING! OMFG!
[05:14] <nocloud> yea, i get the same thing with kaffine too
[05:14] <pl_ice> _hater2win kafeine, u got to install new one, the kynptic is broken
[05:14] <_hater2win> sudo killall kaffeine, lol
[05:14] <nocloud> the thing with linux applications is they don't disappear on the process list after they have been closed....
[05:14] <_hater2win> wow, thats gay
[05:15] <nocloud> pl_ice: you said somethiing about installing new kaffeine?
[05:15] <_hater2win> pl_ice: explain plz
[05:16] <pl_ice> _hater2win kaffeine from respos, takes memory, chrashes cpu, on the ubuntoforums.org there is a new verison
[05:16] <pl_ice> do a search
[05:17] <nocloud> hater2win: if you find the link, please share it with me
[05:17] <_hater2win> will do
[05:19] <_hater2win> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/fowlerc/
[05:19] <_hater2win> nocloud: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/fowlerc/
[05:19] <_hater2win> i think thats it
[05:19] <_hater2win> not sure
[05:20] <pl_ice> anyone uses matlab?
[05:20] <_hater2win> not me
[05:21] <nocloud> hater2win: thanks for the link :)
[05:21] <nocloud> do you know how to install it?
[05:22] <_hater2win> dpkg /dir??
[05:22] <_hater2win> dpkg -i file.deb?
[05:23] <nocloud> i'm not sure, i've installed everything through kynaptic so far...
[05:23] <_hater2win> oh
[05:23] <_hater2win> well
[05:23] <_hater2win> thats how i just installed it
[05:23] <_hater2win> so yeah
[05:23] <_hater2win> dpkg -i directory/tothe/file.deb
[05:24] <_hater2win> did it work for you?
[05:24] <nocloud> i'm trying right now...
[05:26] <_hater2win> if you haven't already, you might have to do sudo apt-get install dpkg
[05:26] <nocloud> i think it worked
[05:26] <nocloud> going to test it now
[05:26] <pl_ice> ray_ did u install ati? ...
[05:28] <pl_ice> dave_ there is a fast howto on ubuntuforums.org, just couple of installs
[05:28] <epod69> whats going on everyone
[05:28] <_hater2win> sup epod69
[05:28] <epod69> nuttin much, u
[05:28] <Nick_Hacker> Hello everyone.
[05:28] <_hater2win> oh you know...
[05:28] <Nick_Hacker> I have a question.
[05:28] <epod69> madden fun?
[05:29] <_hater2win> hellz yeah
[05:29] <Nick_Hacker> Can a person set up the broadcom wireless B/G card with ndiswrapper 1.2 from live-cd Kubuntu
[05:29] <Nick_Hacker> ???
[05:30] <Agent-MHX> come on, people were just talking!
[05:30] <Agent-MHX> nothing to say?
[05:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> Agent-MHX: they probably don't know how
[05:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi _hater2win
[05:31] <_hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: !!
[05:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[05:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> how are you mate?
[05:31] <Agent-MHX> Sigh.
[05:31] <_hater2win> doing good, good. learning, playing madden 06... you know how we do
[05:32] <epod69> _hater2win, play online yet, you should be able to make the top ten =) didnt it just come out
[05:32] <Agent-MHX> well, can a person set up a wireless pcmia card from live-cd kubuntu?
[05:32] <Agent-MHX> ???
[05:32] <_hater2win> epod69: yeah, today
[05:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> sure. *downloads redvsblue*
[05:32] <_hater2win> lol, rvb2win
[05:33] <Agent-MHX> sigh, this isn't a game chat people, it's linux.
[05:33] <Agent-MHX> bah
[05:33] <_hater2win> Agent-MHX: nobody in here knows, if they did, theyd tell you. we are good people, not "RTFM"-ers
[05:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> _hater2win: you don't know me well then ;)
[05:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> *manic laugh*
[05:34] <Agent-MHX> faggot
[05:34] <_hater2win> lol @ Kamping_Kaiser
[05:35] <epod69> Agent-MHX, have you tried it? im sure its possible, have never used a labtop with linux though sorry
[05:35] <Agent-MHX> eh
[05:35] <Agent-MHX> seems linux is more of a desktop kind of thing
[05:35] <Agent-MHX> well windows is better because it doesn't kill your battery
[05:35] <_hater2win> not if you like to wardrive
[05:35] <_hater2win> which is quite entertaining
[05:35] <Agent-MHX> heh
[05:35] <Agent-MHX> i'm not wardriver
[05:35] <Agent-MHX> i've got my own dsl
[05:35] <_hater2win> lol
[05:35] <epod69> Agent-MHX, there is powersaving with linux too
[05:36] <Agent-MHX> bah
[05:36] <_hater2win> epod69: me and nocloud were just discussing power issues and linux a few mins ago
[05:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> Agent-MHX: don't troll because no one could help you
[05:36] <epod69> lol
[05:36] <epod69> what issues are there ?
[05:37] <Agent-MHX> Kamping_Kaiser: Give me money for the bridge.
[05:37] <epod69> they cant be too bad if most webservers are using linux...
[05:37] <_hater2win> epod69: http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/1402?_nevow_carryover_=1123645018.27127.0.0.10.41891270546 <-- that
[05:37] <_hater2win> props to Kamping_Kaiser for showing me the ways of pastebin
[05:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;) it was to save me _hater2win
[05:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> but yeh, it's good
[05:39] <epod69> using just linux, the shell, shouldnt take much power at all.....i think its all the programs we use that requires so much power
[05:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> guis are evil ;)
[05:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> *pats gui*
[05:40] <epod69> anyone here use nvidia and the 686 kernel ?
[05:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[05:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> 2.6.10-5-686-smp #1 SMP + nVIDIA
[05:42] <pl_ice> bie
[05:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi kakalto
[05:42] <nocloud> ooh, i think i found another reason why linux uses more power than windows....windows will run graphics cards at lower clock speeds to save power while the standard linux drivers run the graphics card at the same speed all the time
[05:42] <epod69> Kamping_Kaiser, do you have the 386 kernel on your computer as well ?
[05:42] <kakalto> yo kaiser
[05:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> epod69: don't remember. let me check
[05:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[05:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> epod69: yes i do
[05:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> the default kernel
[05:43] <_hater2win> nocloud: interesting discovery
[05:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> i was waiting for that hater2win
[05:44] <epod69> hmm, cause in order to install nvidia it says you need to install the 386 kernel as well...and when I install nvidia through apt-get it doesnt work on my 686 kernel but it works on the 386 kernel
[05:44] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: lol, just noticed it for some reason
[05:44] <kakalto> I will try out SuSe.
[05:44] <frank_> nocloud: for nvidia, you can probably use nvclock to clock your card REALLY slow to save power
[05:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> kakalto: o_0
[05:44] <hater2win> omg
[05:45] <kakalto> Kamping_Kaiser, I gotta see what teh hype is about
[05:45] <epod69> nice point nocloud
[05:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> epod69: it has to be compiled for the kernel, so you may need to get a different one
[05:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> kakalto: yeh, I'm planing the same thing ;) *burns iso*
[05:45] <hater2win> lol
[05:45] <epod69> i installed the lastest nvidia, and had it compiled for the 686 kernel and it works until i reboot my computer, really wierd
[05:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[05:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> epod69: when you reboot it would be loading the module and screwing you.
[05:46] <kakalto> Kamping_Kaiser, althugh the whole 5cds thing is a bit annoying
[05:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> there's something about this in the wiki but i forgot the page
[05:47] <epod69> i dont know, i have to comment out glx when I reboot the computer to load nvidia, otherwise if i reinstall nvidia glx works just fine
[05:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> kakalto: yeh, well the dvd iso wouldlnt download for me, and i tried 3 times :/ so cds it is
[05:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> whois bottong
[05:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> buger
[05:47] <kakalto> heheh.
[05:47] <kakalto> I had 3 days trying to download the same iso :S
[05:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> you can laugh :P
[05:47] <kakalto> on the third try, it worked
[05:47] <hater2win> does anybody else use http://www.digg.com ????
[05:48] <epod69> never heard that site..
[05:48] <kakalto> first day, it downloaded the whole thing... and trashed it because I had no free space >_>
[05:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> :(
[05:48] <hater2win> epod69: its an awesome site, love it
[05:48] <hater2win> epod69: all the tech news i need, in 1 place
[05:48] <hater2win> games
[05:48] <hater2win> linux
[05:48] <gnunewbie> I'm running Kubuntu 3.4.2 but it's not saving my settings such as screen size and other choices following a session logout. Also a link made from /dev/modem to ttysomething vanishes too after reboot, how can I fix this please?
[05:48] <epod69> cool
[05:48] <hater2win> movies, deals
[05:49] <hater2win> and its all user driven
[05:49] <hater2win> has a user base to rival that of the might /.
[05:49] <gnunewbie> should I delete all files in my user's .kde directory?
[05:49] <epod69> nothing better then this game though: http://www.addictinggames.com/kittencannon.html
[05:49] <hater2win> LOL
[05:49] <hater2win> not THOSE kind of games
[05:50] <hater2win> like
[05:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> this isnt bad epod69 http://www.onemorelevel.com/games/avoider.html
[05:50] <hater2win> gaming news
[05:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[05:50] <epod69> lol
[05:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> he starts getting to you after 2 or 3 hours ;)
[05:51] <gnunewbie> I need help please
[05:51] <epod69> i dont get that...
[05:52] <hater2win> alright alright alright lets help out gnunewbie
[05:52] <epod69> oh, lol, hes trying to grab the mouse
[05:52] <hater2win> i would wanna be helped too
[05:52] <gnunewbie> thank you
[05:52] <gnunewbie> what should I do?
[05:52] <epod69> he launched a fricken missle, lol
[05:53] <gnunewbie> I'll repeat my problem:
[05:53] <gnunewbie> I'm running Kubuntu 3.4.2 but it's not saving my settings such as screen size and other choices following a session logout. Also a link made from /dev/modem to ttysomething vanishes too after reboot, how can I fix this please?
[05:53] <gnunewbie> should I delete all files in my user's .kde directory?
[05:53] <hater2win> hmm
[05:54] <hater2win> i wouldn't do that
[05:54] <hater2win> sounds like that problem is something wrong with something diff
[05:55] <DJ_Necrogami> my guess is a Permissions problem
[05:55] <hater2win> did you try updating?
[05:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> gnunewbie: change your max res in the xorg file
[05:55] <gnunewbie> Kamping_Kaiser: I will try that thanks
[05:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> be carefull :o
[05:56] <gnunewbie> hater2win: I updated from before 341 to 341 and 342
[05:56] <DJ_Necrogami> here's my problem!! I have a 2wire wireless B PCMCIA card Onrinco chipset it dosnt detect in ubuntu Hoary it detects there's a card installed but no power light and dmesg outputs "Aug 9 22:32:58 localhost kernel: cs: unable to map card memory!" ive searched around many people seem to be having this problem anyone know a solution to help me fix this problem
[05:56] <gnunewbie> DJ_Necrogami: a permissions problem?
[05:57] <DJ_Necrogami> that woudl be my guess
[05:57] <gnunewbie> hmmmm
[05:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> doubt it :S
[05:57] <gnunewbie> I'll search the web for this thank you and good luck with your problem DJ_Necrogami
[05:57] <hater2win> DJ_Necrogami: i wish i could help you, but im still a n00b
[05:57] <DJ_Necrogami> lol
[05:58] <hater2win> ive hlped a gew people out, lol
[05:58] <hater2win> but they were more n00bish than i was
[05:58] <hater2win> so yeah lol
[05:58] <hater2win> and they were typically probs i had before lol
[05:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: there's always a way to help :)
[05:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> that's why I'm here
[05:58] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: is the wisest of us all, he really does own his root
[05:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> lmao
[05:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks ;)
[06:00] <hater2win> i think of all the problems that ive solved, 80-90 percent of them have been a direct result of Kamping_Kaiser's help
[06:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> *explores mounted isos to prevent needing to burn them*
[06:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> mount ownes :)
[06:00] <hater2win> lol
[06:00] <hater2win> yeah
[06:00] <hater2win> i discovered the wonders of mount first in windows
[06:00] <hater2win> easier to do it here though
[06:00] <hater2win> obviously
[06:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> does Windows have mount?
[06:01] <kakalto> uhm
[06:01] <hater2win> yeah, but you have to have a prog
[06:01] <hater2win> somebody more recently discovered a way to do it without, though
[06:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol "discovered a way"
[06:02] <hater2win> lol
[06:02] <epod69> windows only sees partitions it is compatable with and gives it a drive letter, I dont think there is a mount for windows
[06:02] <hater2win> epod69: i saw a story about it on digg the other day
[06:02] <hater2win> let me find it
[06:02] <hater2win> k, nvm
[06:02] <hater2win> im an idiot
[06:03] <hater2win> lol
[06:03] <kakalto> lol
[06:03] <hater2win> i misread it
[06:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have way to many isos :/
[06:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol hater2win
[06:03] <hater2win> you DO need daemon tools or alcohol to do it
[06:03] <kakalto> :/
[06:03] <hater2win> kamp, i have lots of iso's for everything also
[06:03] <hater2win> its how i installed windows vista, the beta
[06:03] <kakalto> daemon is free, isn't it?
[06:03] <hater2win> i just mounted it, LOL
[06:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have 66, i would have burned about 3 of them :/
[06:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> kakalto: i think so
[06:04] <hater2win> i dont have a DVD burner, so i had no other choice
[06:04] <hater2win> lol
[06:04] <kakalto> I only have 33
[06:05] <hater2win> how many HDs do you have Kamping_Kaiser
[06:05] <Agent-MHX> I have 25 HDDs
[06:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: 2, total 310GBs
[06:05] <Agent-MHX> I host webpages for free.
[06:06] <Agent-MHX> Very secure server.
[06:06] <hater2win> lol
[06:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> Agent-MHX: what does it run?
[06:06] <Agent-MHX> Apache
[06:06] <hater2win> lol
[06:07] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: what you do with your kangaroo is your business
[06:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[06:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> don't you want pics?
[06:07] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: do you have them on an FTP?
[06:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> http:
[06:07] <hater2win> ill take em...
[06:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> wish cds had a clear "this cd does this" file
[06:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> :/
[06:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> bloody Linux
[06:08] <hater2win> lol
[06:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;0
[06:08] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: you know any programming languages?
[06:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> looks like i have a cd here in German
[06:09] <hater2win> lol
[06:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: no, just little pices here and there
[06:09] <hater2win> is it a german sheize video?
[06:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> and enough bash scripting to get by
[06:09] <hater2win> lol
[06:10] <hater2win> cool
[06:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's called "gamesknoppix" and it looks like it might be German, but i have to fire it up to be sure
[06:11] <hater2win> sounds interesting
[06:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> *hopes so*
[06:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> this cd looks sweet
[06:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> "LinuxDefender Security CD is a BitDefender re-mastered Knoppix distribution which integrates the latest BitDefender for Linux security ...."
[06:14] <hater2win> bitdefender?
[06:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's an antivirus
[06:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's ok ~
[06:17] <hater2win> why is there a need for antivirus for linux?
[06:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> because there are viruses for Windows and viruses for Linux
[06:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> and Linux boxes are often mail servers
[06:17] <hater2win> hmm, true true
[06:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> make sure you understand - there *are* viruses and trojans for Linux
[06:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> just not as many, and no so indiscriminate
[06:18] <hater2win> so, what are the chances i would contract viri being a general linux user?
[06:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> almost 0 *as a general Linux user*
[06:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> as soon as you run a server your a target
[06:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> or if you have a static ip, but your still basicly 0 as far as targets go
[06:19] <hater2win> understandably so
[06:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> apart from clamav
[06:21] <hater2win> so, what are the good ones
[06:21] <hater2win> ?*
[06:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. I'm still looking ;) bitdefender is ok for a single user afaik, but I'm also looking for stuff i can run on aserver
[06:22] <hater2win> lol, i love how you spelled concerned with a K
[06:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol yeh well I'm a crap speeeler
[06:22] <hater2win> lol, comes with the territory
[06:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. 21 minutes for this dvd to burn
[06:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh :
[06:23] <hater2win> if i want to install azureus, what do i need to do?
[06:23] <hater2win> install java
[06:23] <hater2win> and then azureus
[06:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh.
[06:24] <hater2win> but how do i install java
[06:24] <hater2win> i cant find the apt-get package
[06:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> you will need the backports
[06:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> or extras S: IIRC it's backports
[06:24] <hater2win> hmm
[06:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: /msg ubotu azureus
[06:26] <hater2win> hmm
[06:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: /msg ubotu repos
[06:30] <hater2win> lol
[06:30] <hater2win> ubuntu has its own paste bin
[06:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh
[06:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's cool :)
[06:31] <systemax> hello everyone
[06:31] <hater2win> so how do i know which repo to add?
[06:31] <hater2win> systemax: sup yo
[06:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi systemax
[06:31] <systemax> hi
[06:31] <thunderbolt> wait...
[06:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: for azurous?
[06:31] <systemax> have i'm having some trouble and i was hoping someone could help me out
[06:32] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: yes
[06:32] <hater2win> systemax: you've come to the right place
[06:32] <systemax> cool
[06:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> systemax: you can ask, we cant make promices :)
[06:32] <systemax> k kamping
[06:32] <systemax> i installed kubuntu today and i didn't have any sound whatsoever
[06:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: you ask ubotu or someone where to find it, then look at which repostiry it tells you to add
[06:33] <systemax> so someone from here help me out and led me through the process of getting the new alsa driver
[06:33] <systemax> which i did
[06:34] <systemax> i installed the driver, libs, utils and alsa oss stuff but still no sound and now i don't have a master volume control panel
[06:34] <systemax> and of course no sound
[06:35] <hater2win> hmm
[06:35] <systemax> i was thinking maybe i needed to install the alsa plugins but i'm a little stumped on how to do it or maybe that isn't my problem at all anyway i came back here since you guys help me out so much today
[06:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> IIRC KDE uses arts
[06:36] <systemax> i read something about arts and that turning it off may help but i'm not sure how
[06:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> and I'll just say now i havent had to deal with KDE sound before, so i may or may not be helpfull
[06:37] <systemax> any help would be appreciated
[06:38] <hater2win> i know a guy who had a problem similiar
[06:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> my problem is i don't use KDE (!) so i don't know where to find the config tools
[06:38] <thunderbolt> the sound is under kcontrol in kubuntu
[06:38] <systemax> would installing the plugins help or no?
[06:39] <systemax> right been in there numerous time today
[06:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> systemax: check you have the gstreamer arts plugin and artsd
[06:40] <jeffm_> hey guys
[06:40] <systemax> how and or where would i check that?
[06:40] <jeffm_> im having a problem with my Network Settings utility
[06:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> systemax: in s/kynaptic
[06:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> jeffm_: what's wrong with it?
[06:41] <jeffm_> the windows doesnt appear porperly
[06:42] <jeffm_> there is no Add button
[06:42] <jeffm_> just a sec
[06:42] <jeffm_> there are other buttons missing too
[06:42] <systemax> would it be under multimedia?
[06:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> search for it systemax, probably the easyest way to find it
[06:43] <jeffm_> angelman
[06:43] <jeffm_> angelman
[06:44] <systemax> k cool when i do a search for gstreamer a whole bunch of file come up and only a couple are already installed
[06:44] <systemax> do i install all of them?
[06:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> systemax: only the ones with alsa esd or artds in the name
[06:45] <systemax> ok
[06:45] <systemax> ok i checked all three go ahead and install?
[06:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> yep
[06:46] <systemax> k
[06:46] <systemax> do i need to restart?
[06:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> log out and back in should do it
[06:46] <systemax> k
[06:48] <jeffm__> ok my Network Settings window is missing things
[06:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> whtas this tool do? and have you tried to update it?
[06:49] <jeffm__> it doesnt have the Add or Delete buttons
[06:49] <jeffm__> im trying to get my kubuntu laptop onto a network. so i can get internet on it
[06:49] <systemax> hmmm still no sound darn it
[06:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> jeffm__ then we may need to hack the file by hand
[06:50] <systemax> and still no master sound volume control
[06:50] <jeffm__> ok cool. if you know what ur doing, ill do what you say
[06:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> systemax: check /var/log/syslog and see if it tells you why the sound is failing
[06:51] <[1] Pythos> winmodem help........pctel driver for hsp56 won't compile........arrrrgh
[06:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> jeffm__ how do you connect to the net? through a modem or server?
[06:51] <jeffm__> im on the main computer now with my laptop beside me. i connect to the net through a DSL modem
[06:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> jeffm__ so the modem gives the pcs addresses?
[06:52] <jeffm__> dont know
[06:52] <jeffm__> IPs?
[06:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh
[06:52] <jeffm__> i think so
[06:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. so type "sudo (editor of your choise) /etc/network/interfaces"
[06:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> and editor of your choise would be nano, vim, kate, kedit etc
[06:56] <_leo> why does firefox looks awful in kubuntu?...i guess its something related with the gtk or qt stuff that i really dont understand much....is there anyway to manage that?
[06:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> _leo you can try installing gtk
[06:57] <katana2k> damn
[06:57] <katana2k> ok this is jeff
[06:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> wb
[06:57] <_leo> whats the aRts Control applet for?...i dont know why i cant open it
[06:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> _leo it controlls kdes sound
[06:58] <_leo> ohh
[06:58] <_leo> thanks
[06:58] <katana2k> sorry, my irc client crapped out, so now im using mirc
[06:58] <katana2k> kamping kaiser?
[06:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> katana2k: did you see the file edit lines?
[06:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. so type "sudo (editor of your choise) /etc/network/interfaces"
[06:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> and editor of your choise would be nano, vim, kate, kedit etc
[06:59] <[1] Pythos> folks.........can you even see this text ?
[06:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> and katana2k how many network cards do you have?
[06:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> [1] Pythos: we saw that
[06:59] <[1] Pythos> phew
[06:59] <katana2k> i have other problems with setting up the network, i dont know how to do it.
[06:59] <katana2k> but right now im just trying to figure out why my network settings window is so messed up
[07:00] <katana2k> ok
[07:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> katana2k: i cant help with messed up guis, i can try and help withsettings though
[07:01] <katana2k> i have an ethernet port on my laptop and a wireless LAN pc card in it
[07:01] <katana2k> ok
[07:01] <katana2k> ill type that stuff
[07:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> katana2k: we are going to use the ethernet port
[07:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> i don't want to worry about wireless stuff getting in the way if that's ok?
[07:02] <katana2k> yeah ok
[07:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> you have the file open?
[07:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> what editor did you use?
[07:03] <systemax> hey kamp when i click on the test sound button in the control center i now have sound however test midi doesn't work I have no master volume control in either kmix or my taskbar and of course i can't get hear the cd player
[07:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> systemax: so you have system sound but not midi?
[07:04] <systemax> right
[07:04] <katana2k> i tried sudo kedit /etc/network/interfaces but i got kate: command not found
[07:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> katana2k: oh ok. try kedit
[07:05] <katana2k> i tried sudo kedit /etc/network/interfaces but i got kate: command not found
[07:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> i thought kate came by default
[07:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> ffs what's kdes default text editor?
[07:06] <katana2k> i dont know, maybe its Kate not kate
[07:06] <katana2k> but i tried nano and it worked
[07:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, nanos always there :)
[07:07] <seth_k> kate is the default text editor on kde
[07:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> that's what i though
[07:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> anyway
[07:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> katana2k: comment out everything exept the following lines:
[07:08] <katana2k> ok
[07:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> auto lo
[07:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> iface lo inet loopback
[07:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> a comment is a #
[07:09] <katana2k> ok
[07:09] <systemax> any ideas?
[07:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> systemax: not realy. i don't use KDE, and i use polyp audio so my sound works a fair bit different i expect
[07:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> *and* I'm no great expert on sound :(
[07:11] <systemax> k
[07:11] <systemax> thanx for getting me this far kamping
[07:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> systemax: try #KDE
[07:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> they might be a bit more populated then here
[07:12] <systemax> k
[07:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[07:14] <[1] Pythos> bbiab....
[07:14] <katana2k> ok, so you want me to put in a # before everything except the previous mentioned lines?
[07:16] <katana2k> ?
[07:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[07:17] <katana2k> ok
[07:17] <katana2k> i did
[07:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> most of them should have a# already
[07:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool
[07:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> now add these two lines
[07:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> auto eth0
[07:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> iface eth0 inet DHCP
[07:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> DHCP should be lowercase btw
[07:18] <katana2k> i just commented out those two lines
[07:18] <katana2k> they were already there
[07:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok.
[07:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> then we will give the computer an address ourselfs
[07:19] <katana2k> want me to remove the # in front of them?
[07:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> do you know what address range your network uses?
[07:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> no
[07:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> just the "auto eth0" line
[07:19] <katana2k> no
[07:19] <katana2k> i have a fast ethernet switch
[07:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> we have to find out then. what os did you say your on atm?
[07:20] <katana2k> im using XP on this main computer
[07:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> right
[07:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> do you have the little computers down next to the clock? the ones that flash?
[07:21] <katana2k> yeah
[07:21] <katana2k> thats for my DSL connection
[07:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> does it go through the same modem as the laptop will?
[07:23] <katana2k> theres nowhere to plug the laptop into on the dsl modem
[07:23] <supernix> no usb or ethernet ?
[07:23] <supernix> that is the oddest modem I ever saw
[07:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> so does the laptop run through the switch into the modem?
[07:24] <katana2k> could i plug the ethernet cable from the dsl modem into the fast ethernet switch, then plug the main and laptop somputers in there too?
[07:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> should be able to
[07:24] <katana2k> ok, but how do i set up the main computer to find the dsl modem and connect to the internet through the switch?
[07:25] <katana2k> which is running xp
[07:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> the switch should be transparent
[07:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> unless it's a realy fancy one
[07:25] <katana2k> ok
[07:25] <katana2k> so xp should find the dsl modem on the switch and connect that way?
[07:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh.
[07:25] <_frank> DOes anyone know how to get kopete to connect automatically without asking me my password to open KDE Wallet?
[07:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> but thts your problem ;O
[07:25] <katana2k> ok, ill try it. brb
[07:26] <hater2win> _frank: cant you just tell it to keep the pw?
[07:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'm going to remove thunderbird if it does this again :S
[07:27] <hater2win> what is it doing?
[07:27] <_frank> I have that setting in kopete, yes but kde wallet still wants to open everytime and asks me my password
[07:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: downloading all me email from the server every 2 or 3 days, and there's 3000 emails there
[07:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> it does half one day then half a few days later
[07:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> 1100 to go atm
[07:28] <hater2win> wow
[07:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> of 1700
[07:28] <hater2win> that sucks
[07:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> sure does... i have more space wasted by doubles then anything else i think
[07:29] <hater2win> lol
[07:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> *debates using imap instead of pop
[07:29] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: what do i do with a .bin file?
[07:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: you set it to execuatelbe and then run it
[07:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> in a terminal
[07:30] <supernix> anyone know how to import the settings from Thunderbird into Mozilla mail ?
[07:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> so cd /path/to/bin/ then chmod 750 ./binfile.bin then ./binfile.bin
[07:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> supernix: i don't
[07:31] <katana2k2> ok im back
[07:31] <katana2k2> it worked
[07:31] <katana2k2> ok what do i do next?
[07:32] <supernix> that is ashame I found out that Mozilla mails junk filter works while thunderbird does not
[07:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> well. lets try uncommenting the "iface eth0 inet dhcp" line and letting Linux try and find the modem
[07:32] <supernix> Kmail is ok but I am still not happy with it
[07:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> katana2k2 when you have unocmmented that line, save and exit (or quit without saveing if you havent saved it yet) and run "sudo ifdown -a && sudo ifup -a"
[07:35] <katana2k2> ok
[07:36] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: is there any way to tell it where to install to?
[07:36] <hater2win> it installed to my home folder
[07:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> what is it?
[07:36] <hater2win> jre
[07:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh right
[07:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> isnt there a deb?
[07:36] <hater2win> no
[07:36] <hater2win> just the bin
[07:36] <hater2win> and an rpm
[07:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh ok
[07:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> IIRC wehn you install it gives you the option to set a path... but i could be wrong
[07:37] <hater2win> iiirc?
[07:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> If I Remember Correctly... i have installed it as well ;)
[07:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> just don't remember what happened
[07:38] <hater2win> all it did was unpack it itself to the dir
[07:38] <katana2k2> ok, it says: DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 on port 67 interval 4
[07:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> katana2k2 give it a bit
[07:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> it should say "got a lease from xxx.xxx..xxx.xxx"
[07:39] <katana2k2> ok, then it said no DHCP offerf recieved
[07:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: oh, right :/
[07:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> katana2k2 bugger
[07:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> then we have to set one
[07:39] <katana2k2> no working leases in persistent database - sleeping
[07:39] <katana2k2> could the rj45 cable be faulty?
[07:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> katana2k2 whts the ip of your Windows box?
[07:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> and yes the cable could be faulty
[07:40] <katana2k2> ok ill get another one real quick
[07:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> k
[07:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: so it dumped a whole lot of files in your ~/ dir?
[07:41] <katana2k2> ok, i plugged in a new one, im gonna put in the same command again
[07:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> or try "dhclient"
[07:42] <hater2win> yeah
[07:42] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: all it did was dump the files
[07:42] <hater2win> should i create a
[07:42] <hater2win> . /usr/java/
[07:42] <hater2win> and have it dump them there?
[07:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> no
[07:43] <katana2k2> are you talking to me? i should use dhcclient?
[07:43] <katana2k2> ok, it said the same thing
[07:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> katana2k2 you can use dhclient *if* ifdown -a ifup -a doesnt work
[07:43] <katana2k2> no dhcp offers recieved
[07:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> whtas the ip of your Windows box?
[07:44] <katana2k2> how do i check?
[07:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> the little computers next to th eclock
[07:44] <katana2k2> ?
[07:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> click on them
[07:44] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: http://java.com/en/download/help/5000010500.xml#selfextracting
[07:44] <katana2k2> ok, do i want my client IP adress?
[07:45] <katana2k2> or server
[07:45] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: there they essentially just extract it to a /usr/java/ folder
[07:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> katana2k2: yeh ok
[07:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: I'll have a look thanks
[07:46] <katana2k2> im not sure, but i think it changes every time i open the connection
[07:46] <katana2k2> you there?
[07:47] <hater2win> katana2k2: i think he is checking that link out, sorry
[07:47] <hater2win> katana2k2: he is double booked, lol
[07:47] <katana2k2> hater2win: ok lol
[07:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> katana2k2: yeh looking at the link ;)
[07:47] <katana2k2> i dont mind. he is nice enough to help us
[07:47] <katana2k2> :)
[07:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> katana2k2: you sure it changes all the time?
[07:48] <hater2win> yeh, he is t3h pwn. he can own root on my box any day (that wasn't a gay statement)
[07:48] <katana2k2> ill reconnect and see
[07:48] <katana2k2> k?
[07:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: now you mention it i have root on several boxes ;)
[07:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> katana2k2: if you want :)
[07:48] <katana2k2> when i come back, i may be katana2k3
[07:48] <katana2k2> lol
[07:48] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: lol
[07:48] <hater2win> lol
[07:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[07:49] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: so what do you think? should i just mkdir /usr/java/
[07:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: you must be using a different java instlaler to me
[07:49] <katana2k2> ok, i wrote down my client ip adress
[07:49] <katana2k2> ill reconnect
[07:49] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: lol it installed right for you?
[07:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: don't remember... was a whjile ago
[07:50] <katana2k3> ok it stays the same
[07:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> katana2k3 yoru ip address?
[07:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> what is it?
[07:51] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: so do you think doing that would work then? just running the bin inside of a mkdir /usr/java/
[07:51] <katana2k3> 209.161.226.70
[07:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: it should work, I'm just worried about dumping crap all through your system
[07:52] <hater2win> lol
[07:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> katana2k what about your internal network address?
[07:52] <hater2win> how do i get rid of the previous dump?
[07:52] <katana2k3> where do i find that?
[07:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> rm -rf *be very carefull*
[07:52] <katana2k3> sorry im such a n00b
[07:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> katana2k3 go "start" -> "run" -> type "cmd" -> it opens, type "ipconfig /a" and past what comes up into PM with me or pastebin
[07:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> katana2k3 why i remember that crap is beond me ;) i don't use doze anymore
[07:54] <katana2k3> lol
[07:55] <katana2k3> do you mean "ipconfig /all"?
[07:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[07:55] <katana2k3> ok
[07:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> i forgot Windows doesnt do abrieviated commands :)
[07:56] <katana2k3> lol yeah because they're little bitches
[07:56] <katana2k3> ok, so what do you want me to pm you?
[07:56] <bjv> /usr/share/doc
[07:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> the output of ipconfig /all
[07:56] <bjv> does apt-get dump stuff there?
[07:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> give me all of it and i can look for what i need
[07:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> bjv documents it does
[07:57] <katana2k3> its alot of stuff though
[07:57] <bjv> yeah, i probably dont want to remove that then.
[07:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[07:57] <bjv> didnt compress all that well anyway, :P
[07:57] <katana2k3> how do i PM now?
[07:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> katana2k3 yeh i know there might be a lto
[07:58] <katana2k3> lol
[07:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. wonder where he flooded
[07:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> i didnt get it
[07:59] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: it worked. now did it install azureus, or its just a run from kind of thing? The folder i extracted azureus to, is that the folder that it is run from?
[07:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> i don't know. i havent usedit at all
[07:59] <hater2win> and when i say did it install azureus, i mean when i ran the azureus installer
[07:59] <Agent-MHX> are you two still chatting it up?
[08:00] <Agent-MHX> i think someone cracked into my box through one of these irc channels
[08:00] <Agent-MHX> i'm not too found of it.
[08:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> bbs. in 10 min perhaps. sorry people
[08:02] <hater2win> kk
[08:02] <hater2win> anybody know how to just remove a single file?
[08:02] <hater2win> katana2k3: how do you just remove a single file?
[08:03] <katana2k3> i dont know
[08:03] <bjv> rm ?
[08:03] <katana2k3> im a complete noob to linux and kubuntu
[08:03] <bjv> ah, yes. rm then
[08:04] <bjv> (r)e(m)ove, or something to that effect
[08:04] <systemax> anyone help me installing alsa plugins
[08:05] <bjv> crap, by the time it was finished /usr/share/doc actually did compress decently. :((
[08:05] <bjv> 110.4mb -> 60
[08:05] <bjv> :((((
[08:07] <[1] Pythos> hello...
[08:08] <[1] Pythos> am i getting through?
[08:08] <bjv> no. i can not read your text.
[08:09] <[1] Pythos> heh...
[08:09] <Agent-MHX> It's all scrambled.
[08:09] <Agent-MHX> There are letters missing.
[08:09] <Agent-MHX> Do you have a keyboard problem?
[08:09] <bjv> maybe it's a finger problem.
[08:09] <[1] Pythos> probaby
[08:09] <bjv> or worse..
[08:10] <[1] Pythos> yes...my real problem is
[08:10] <systemax> is anyone able to help me out with installing some alsa plugins
[08:11] <benjamin1254> im looking for helping my friend... she sent me an invite and its a micorsoft remote help under xp. and im looking for a program that will use it so i can get her some help since its late and i cant go see her tonight... any sugestions?
[08:11] <[1] Pythos> that i can not get the driver for cm8738 winmodem to compile
[08:11] <Agent-MHX> :)
[08:12] <Agent-MHX> u need pr0n
[08:12] <Agent-MHX> Oops wrong box.
[08:12] <Agent-MHX> sorry
[08:12] <bjv> benjamin1254: there is a kde remote-desktop program
[08:12] <benjamin1254> where?
[08:13] <bjv> krdc it's called
[08:13] <bjv> i dont know what the windows service actually is, krdc is designed for vnc or something
[08:13] <benjamin1254> yeah and i cant seem to use my remote help invite on it not sure if i should open the invie through the program
[08:15] <bjv> oh man, what was that.
[08:15] <hater2win> i have a directory: /home/hater2win/azureus I want to copy it to /etc/
[08:16] <bjv> the windows rdc runs on port 8815 or something, i was watching a friend do some crap with it the other day.
[08:16] <benjamin1254> what should i do ... should i ask for her ip and do it that way instead?
[08:16] <hater2win> why doesnt sudo cp /home/hater2win/azureus/ /etc/ work
[08:16] <bjv> yeah, im sure thats the only way that would work
[08:16] <bjv> google could probably help you more then me though.
[08:16] <benjamin1254> k ill do that
[08:17] <[1] Pythos> come on folks....pctel-0.9.7-9-rht-4 won't compile.....what goes? kubuntu kernel 2.6???
[08:18] <bjv> hater2win: uh, you didnt do a recursive cp with r?
[08:18] <bjv> i dunno.
[08:19] <[1] Pythos> i'll get a brew....while ya think about it...
[08:20] <Agent-MHX> who can tell me about live-dvd Kubuntu?
[08:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> back
[08:22] <hater2win> bjv: i guess not
[08:22] <hater2win> would it be sudo cp -r /home/hater2win/azureus/ /etc/
[08:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: why do you want to do that?
[08:25] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: i want to copy the azureus folder to /etc/
[08:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> why?
[08:26] <bjv> i assume azureus is the config folder..
[08:26] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: because azureus runs only when you ./azureus
[08:26] <hater2win> its not an install
[08:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> but putting it in etc wont help :O
[08:26] <bjv> yeah, you need to link it to /usr/bin or something
[08:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: do you have an "opt" folder?
[08:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> put azureus in /opt and run "ln -s /opt/azureus/azluancher /usr/bin/azureus
[08:28] <Agent-MHX> how do i save to the HDD using live-dvd Kubuntu?
[08:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> Agent-MHX: what file system is the hdd?
[08:29] <Agent-MHX> uhh NTFS?
[08:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> then you don't
[08:29] <Agent-MHX> i'm using XP
[08:29] <Agent-MHX> hmm :-/
[08:29] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: why in opt, why not etc?
[08:29] <Agent-MHX> is it possible to save to a usb drive?
[08:30] <Agent-MHX> using live
[08:30] <bjv> you could go back into windows, make a fat32 part, ftw, and use that to shuttle between the 2.
[08:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: because /etc/ is where system config files go. /opt/ is a place for root to install stuff if he wants
[08:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> Agent-MHX: i think so
[08:30] <bjv> yeah, usb drives are cake in linux
[08:30] <Agent-MHX> but when you partition in XP doesn't that delete everything?
[08:30] <bjv> mount /dev/sda0 or whatever.
[08:31] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: ah ok
[08:31] <bjv> er, i lied. its probably sda1
[08:31] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: where is the xconf file located again?
[08:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> ?
[08:31] <hater2win> lol
[08:31] <hater2win> yeah
[08:31] <hater2win> that one
[08:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: if you run "ls -lh /etc/" and look who ownes the files
[08:31] <hater2win> my bad
[08:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> then ask why you should not have yoru files there ;)
[08:32] <hater2win> lol
[08:32] <hater2win> root pwns me
[08:32] <supernix> how bout owns
[08:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> pwns is legit :)
[08:33] <hater2win> indeed, pwns is legit. heh
[08:33] <bjv> man, why did you tell him to use /opt. :\
[08:33] <bjv> freak.
[08:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> :S
[08:34] <bjv> # ls -l /opt
[08:34] <bjv> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2005-08-03 23:56 /opt -> /usr/local
[08:34] <bjv> apps can try to use it. but they wont. ;|
[08:35] <hater2win> lol
[08:35] <hater2win> sad part is
[08:35] <hater2win> ive already installed firefox to /etc/
[08:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> back
[08:35] <hater2win> :|
[08:36] <bjv> ack!
[08:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: it's in the apt-repose :S
[08:36] <Agent-MHX> how do i hack computers?
[08:36] <hater2win> but it runs fine
[08:36] <hater2win> what is?
[08:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol -> [email protected] (Inbox 3142 messages) 1029 new (IMAP)
[08:37] <Agent-MHX> omg!
[08:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> Agent-MHX: hack computers?
[08:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: firefox is in your apt-get/kypaptic/synaptic repositries
[08:38] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: i know but its 1.0.2 i wanted 1.0.6
[08:38] <hater2win> i didnt know if it was a backport
[08:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's a backport :)
[08:39] <hater2win> not only that, but i couldnt find where it installed to for some reason
[08:39] <hater2win> i even tried
[08:39] <hater2win> whereis mozilla-firefox
[08:39] <hater2win> i just drew a blank
[08:39] <hussam> hater2win: firefox 1.0.6 is in security,ubuntu.com
[08:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: try "apt-cache show mozilla-firefox"
[08:40] <hussam> just do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[08:40] <bjv> on that note. anyone running the latest deerpark nightly?
[08:41] <bjv> the last one i got was borked.
[08:41] <hater2win> hmmm
[08:41] <lluka> hey does anyone know kynaptic sources?
[08:41] <hussam> bjv: I've tried it but I went back to 1.0.6
[08:41] <bjv> i went back to 1.0.6, which was also borked. :\
[08:42] <bjv> so i just used it. and pined for 1.0.2 :P
[08:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> lluka: /msg ubotu repos
[08:42] <hussam> bjv: the new preference windows in deer park sucks.
[08:42] <lluka> blocking unidentified users
[08:42] <lluka> :/
[08:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> :/
[08:43] <bjv> i dont mind. i just wish keys would stop disappearing between version.
[08:43] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: is sudo cp -r /whatever/azureus/ /opt/ a valid copy?
[08:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> lluka: (16:13:14) ubotu: it has been said that repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[08:43] <bjv> apparently they dislike disable_obsolete_extensions for the nightly.
[08:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes.
[08:43] <hussam> bjv: what do you mean? which keys?
[08:43] <bjv> so they just disappeared it.
[08:44] <bjv> it auto-disable obsolete. but the difference plays hell with the 1 config directory i share between the 2 versions.
[08:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> bbl. taxi duties
[08:45] <hater2win> kk
[08:45] <Kaiser_away> later people :\
[08:46] <Kaiser_away> I'll be back in hours, not minutes :) have fun
[08:46] <hater2win> oh
[08:46] <hater2win> lol
[08:46] <hater2win> one last thing
[08:46] <hater2win> what did ln -s /opt/azureus/azluancher /usr/bin/azureus
[08:46] <hater2win> do?
[08:46] <lluka> :/
[08:47] <lluka> anyone know good repositories for kynaptic
[08:47] <lluka> ?
[08:47] <lluka> that /msg thing didnt werk
[08:47] <lluka> :/
[08:48] <bjv> ln --symbolic path/file path/linkname
[08:48] <bjv> makes a symbolic link, leading to a particular file, at a particular location.
[08:49] <hater2win> i see i see
[08:49] <bjv> like a blah.lnk windows file, but much more sophisticated.
[08:49] <bjv> actually, i think winNT supports symbolic linking, much line *nix
[08:49] <bjv> *like
[08:59] <[1] Pythos> hello
[09:00] <[1] Pythos> hey, is linux really about being free?
[09:00] <[1] Pythos> as in beer/
[09:00] <hater2win> i think its more about being safe, and... free?
[09:00] <[1] Pythos> geat.
[09:01] <[1] Pythos> great
[09:01] <[1] Pythos> but...how the heck
[09:01] <bjv> i think its all about being free. as in speech, and also beer.
[09:01] <[1] Pythos> is it any good
[09:02] <bjv> yes, some might say as good as the unixs.
[09:02] <[1] Pythos> if ya can't get yer modem to work ?
[09:02] <bjv> your modem is an Xbox-modem.
[09:02] <bjv> you cant expect it to work with a PS2.
[09:02] <bjv> (real men still use externel serial modems.)
[09:02] <[1] Pythos> no...modem is a (arrrgggh) winmodem
[09:03] <bjv> notice how your cable modem is external still?
[09:03] <bjv> that's right. real modem. :P
[09:03] <[1] Pythos> make junk work ya know
[09:03] <katana2k3> hey guys
[09:04] <katana2k3> im having trouble getting my laptop with kubuntu onto my home network
[09:04] <znh> yeey @ http://img359.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kde0024uy.jpg
[09:04] <[1] Pythos> poor folks gotta yak oo
[09:05] <katana2k3> can someone help me?
[09:05] <znh> one above the 100mhz xD
[09:05] <znh> katana2k3, sure
[09:05] <katana2k3> thanks
[09:06] <katana2k3> i think i have set up a network on my main computer (the one im on) and im trying to get my laptop (beside me) on it
[09:08] <katana2k3> ?
[09:08] <katana2k3> anyone?
[09:10] <znh> katana2k3, change your /etc/samba/smb.conf
[09:10] <[1] Pythos> umm..are you folks kinda like sorta snobs, or something like that? i mean, crap, if someone needs an answer or help about something
[09:11] <katana2k3> change it?
[09:11] <katana2k3> how
[09:11] <katana2k3> and to what?
[09:11] <hater2win> znh: http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/6149/snapshot49rb.png
[09:12] <znh> hater2win, nice!
[09:13] <hater2win> ty ty =)
[09:13] <hater2win> lol
[09:15] <[1] Pythos> well silent ones, thanx i guess, gotta leave this connection (a friends) with no answers...wish it were different
[09:19] <hater2win> http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/4802/snapshot51mi.png
[09:19] <hater2win> which way looks better?
[09:21] <PieD> hater2win: they both look ugly because of firefox :p
[09:22] <hater2win> lol
[09:22] <hater2win> firefox pwns j00
[09:22] <PieD> firefox sux, konqueror rox
[09:22] <katana2k3> ok, i changed it to the right work group
[09:23] <hater2win> konq is so gay... i hate it
[09:23] <PieD> gay ?
[09:23] <hater2win> its almost as NOT standard compliant as IE
[09:23] <PieD> that's totally wrong
[09:24] <hater2win> you're right
[09:24] <PieD> konq support more CSS2 than firefox 1.0
[09:24] <hater2win> im just trying to find reason to call it gay
[09:24] <PieD> konq supports some parts of CSS3 that firefox doesn't support (even the latest nightlies)
[09:24] <bjv> katana2k3: are you all set now? :P
[09:24] <katana2k3> can anyone help me?
[09:24] <katana2k3> no
[09:25] <PieD> (but you can also say that firefox supports some parts of CSS3 that konqueror doesn't support)
[09:25] <hater2win> yeh
[09:25] <katana2k3> i dont know how to set up this network
[09:25] <bjv> katana2k3: how much network connectivity go you have?
[09:25] <bjv> none? some? can you ping?
[09:25] <katana2k3> i dont think i have any
[09:25] <bjv> ok
[09:25] <bjv> we start physical. how are the computers connected?
[09:25] <bjv> a hub?
[09:26] <bjv> or directly nic to nic
[09:26] <katana2k3> fast ethernet switch
[09:26] <bjv> k
[09:26] <PieD> http://pinaraf.robertlan.eu.org/monKDE.png => screenshot of my computer
[09:26] <bjv> and you know enough about your gear that you dont have crossover cables in there, right?
[09:26] <PieD> only one non-KDE application : qemu
[09:27] <katana2k3> crossover cables?
[09:27] <bjv> err.
[09:27] <bjv> have you used these cables and this switch before with these boxes?
[09:27] <katana2k3> no
[09:27] <bjv> right.
[09:27] <katana2k3> ive used 2 of the 3 cables before
[09:28] <bjv> well, ill just assume you dont have any crossovers (xover is for connecting nic to nic)
[09:28] <bjv> they are often yellow, if your smart. :P
[09:28] <katana2k3> ok
[09:28] <bjv> anyway.
[09:28] <katana2k3> no crossovers
[09:28] <bjv> the machine you are on is what, running windows and the smb shares?
[09:28] <katana2k3> its running windows xp
[09:28] <bjv> k
[09:28] <katana2k3> what are smb shares?
[09:28] <bjv> windows shared folders.
[09:29] <katana2k3> yeah i think there are a few shared folders
[09:29] <bjv> server message blocks, or whatever, is what the protocol is called.
[09:29] <bjv> anyway.
[09:29] <bjv> ok, you have got a switch. its been a while sense ive passed my compTIA exam..
[09:30] <hater2win> http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/3342/screen18gp.jpg <-- thats from when I was running longhorn (vista)
[09:30] <bjv> a switch may or may not include DHCP?
[09:30] <katana2k3> lol k
[09:30] <katana2k3> dont know
[09:30] <katana2k3> would it say on it?
[09:30] <bjv> it would assign things IP's automatically
[09:31] <katana2k3> i dont know
[09:31] <bjv> screw it. do you know how to ping your switch?
[09:31] <katana2k3> LOL no
[09:31] <bjv> ok
[09:31] <katana2k3> im sorry, im a total noob to networking and linux
[09:31] <bjv> did you just buy this switch?
[09:31] <katana2k3> no, my uncle gave it to me
[09:31] <bjv> alright.
[09:32] <bjv> did it come with a fine manual? :P
[09:32] <katana2k3> no
[09:32] <bjv> alright..
[09:32] <katana2k3> but i can get it online
[09:32] <bjv> thats good.
[09:32] <pussfeller> since when do switches do dhcp
[09:32] <bjv> like i said it's been a while.
[09:33] <bjv> router < switch < hub ?
[09:33] <bjv> whatever
[09:33] <pussfeller> a switch or hub, which there is some technical difference but in practice used interchangibly will just allow you to connect a bunch of pc to a lan
[09:33] <katana2k3> yeah
[09:33] <katana2k3> router is best
[09:34] <bjv> katana2k3: get the ip of your win box, and that fine manual. :P
[09:34] <pussfeller> well a router will have its own firewalling in it and that can be a pain
[09:34] <bjv> but the ip first, that will be pretty telling.
[09:34] <pussfeller> you are trying to share a windows box as the gateway with a linux box on a lan?
[09:34] <bjv> he is trying to establish basic network connectivity. :P
[09:35] <katana2k3> im connected to the internet through it. would it show up as the server IP adress when i click the lil computers in the system tray?
[09:35] <bjv> nein, the ip on the network card that is attached to the switch
[09:35] <bjv> the one you want to talk to the laptop over.
[09:35] <bjv> wait. what?
[09:35] <pussfeller> the box connceted to the internet has to have 2 nics one for the internet, one for the lan
[09:36] <bjv> "katana2k3: im connected to the internet through it"
[09:36] <katana2k3> ok the IP for this comp is 209.161.226.70
[09:36] <bjv> elaborate on "it"
[09:36] <pussfeller> and has to share the connection via nat or ics if its windows
[09:36] <bjv> ok, that sounds like the fake IP windows assigns when it doesnt have anything to talk to
[09:36] <bjv> change that IP to something useful, like 192.168.1.100
[09:37] <pussfeller> but you should have the linux box be router
[09:37] <katana2k3> ok, where do i do that
[09:37] <katana2k3> and will it affect me
[09:37] <bjv> uh, you probably cant do "man ifconfig"...
[09:38] <pussfeller> its in the network setup gui somewhere
[09:38] <bjv> can you open the properties for the network card?
[09:38] <bjv> its under TCP/IP properites..
[09:38] <katana2k3> ok
[09:38] <bjv> 192.168.xxx.yyy is one of 2 or 3 'private' IP ranges
[09:38] <bjv> they arent used on the internet, so its OK to use them to connect your personal devices
[09:39] <pussfeller> that looks like his external ip
[09:39] <bjv> 209.161.226.70 ?
[09:39] <pussfeller> yeah
[09:39] <bjv> you are right...
[09:39] <bjv> yeah.
[09:40] <pussfeller> also if you are using dsl some of the modem act as a router of sorts and it isnt possible to share the connection unless you put it in bridge mode
[09:40] <katana2k3> oh man
[09:41] <katana2k3> ok, so what is it you want me to do right now?
[09:41] <bjv> ok.
[09:41] <bjv> first, elaborate.
[09:41] <bjv> how are you connected to the internet?
[09:42] <katana2k3> main computer connected to switch, from switch to DSL modem to internet
[09:42] <katana2k3> its a DLink
[09:42] <bjv> is the DSL modem attached to a WAN port on the 'switch'?
[09:42] <pussfeller> unless I am missing something, you have to connect the modem to a computer
[09:43] <pussfeller> and then connect that computer with another ehternet card to the switch
[09:43] <katana2k3> no you dont
[09:43] <bjv> the wan port would be separate from the others if it was there.
[09:43] <katana2k3> no its not in a wan port
[09:43] <pussfeller> mine doesnt have a wan port
[09:43] <bjv> ok.
[09:43] <katana2k3> it doesnt say anything about wan on the switch
[09:44] <bjv> ok, so you have a dsl modem, a laptop, and a desktop connected to the switch
[09:44] <katana2k3> yeah
[09:44] <pussfeller> but he dosnt have it set up that way
[09:44] <bjv> so our objective is to have the modem set as gateway for both devices.
[09:44] <bjv> doesnt he?
[09:44] <pussfeller> are you using the computer that way now?
[09:44] <bjv> he is on the desktop.
[09:44] <katana2k3> yeah and yeah
[09:44] <katana2k3> and yeah
[09:45] <pussfeller> ok so it must be working that way then
[09:45] <bjv> ok, this is sounding easy now. :P
[09:45] <katana2k3> lol thats good to hear
[09:45] <bjv> your windows card should have 1) an IP, 2) a netmask, 3) a gateway
[09:46] <bjv> the gateway address should be == to the dsl modems IP
[09:46] <bjv> you are going to want to set your laptops netmask == to the desktops netmask
[09:46] <katana2k3> ok, where do i find all that stuff
[09:46] <bjv> where to find in windows..
[09:46] <bjv> well you only have 1 network device on the desktop, right?
[09:47] <katana2k3> yeah
[09:47] <bjv> then you should be able to open properties on it, and get a little box
[09:47] <pussfeller> using dhcp doessnt work from the laptop?
[09:47] <bjv> its a switch.
[09:47] <bjv> :\
[09:48] <pussfeller> yeah, but the modem might have dhcp init
[09:48] <bjv> w/e
[09:48] <katana2k3> wait, i have a bunch of imformation that i got from putting in 'ipconfig /all' in a DOS prompt
[09:48] <bjv> we are going to fake it. :P
[09:48] <bjv> that will work i guess.
[09:48] <katana2k3> what do we need?
[09:48] <bjv> IP
[09:48] <bjv> netmask
[09:48] <bjv> gateway
[09:49] <katana2k3> subnetmask?
[09:49] <bjv> yes.
[09:50] <katana2k3> ok, which IP
[09:50] <bjv> oh
[09:50] <bjv> dont use the one that says 127.0.0.1
[09:50] <katana2k3> i have one for my internet connection, and my nic card
[09:50] <bjv> i thought you said that the nic was connected to the switch.
[09:50] <bjv> and you were pulling the connection over it.
[09:51] <katana2k3> it is
[09:51] <katana2k3> i am
[09:51] <katana2k3> ok, ill email you all the info it gave me
[09:51] <pussfeller> heh
[09:51] <bjv> just /msg bjv it
[09:51] <katana2k3> it will probably kick me though
[09:52] <bjv> that would send it to just me, not the whole channel
[09:52] <katana2k3> ok ill try, but i might get kicked
[09:52] <katana2k3> (C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.
[09:52] <katana2k3> C:\Documents and Settings\Jeff>ipconfig /all
[09:52] <katana2k3> Windows IP Configuration
[09:52] <katana2k3> Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : FAMILY
[09:53] <bjv> :P
[09:53] <bjv> i got the 1st line. :(
[09:53] <katana2k3> ok, i msged you
[09:53] <katana2k3> did you get it?
[09:53] <bjv> yeah, i got only the 1st line :((
[09:53] <bjv> w/e
[09:53] <bjv> we'll just do it this way.
[09:53] <pussfeller> you pasted it in the channel
[09:53] <bjv> how many IP's does it list?
[09:53] <bjv> 2?
[09:53] <bjv> 3?
[09:54] <katana2k3> 2
[09:54] <bjv> tell us just those 2
[09:54] <bjv> not all the other lines.
[09:54] <katana2k3> one is under my nic card and the other under my internet connection
[09:54] <bjv> what are they
[09:55] <pussfeller> please elucidate upon your network topography
[09:55] <pussfeller> :)
[09:56] <katana2k3> the one under my nic card is: 192.168.0.1
[09:56] <katana2k3> lol
[09:56] <bjv> ok, now educate us on just how many data cables are coming out of your computer?
[09:57] <katana2k3> the one under my internet connection is 209.161.226.70
[09:57] <katana2k3> what?
[09:57] <bjv> and that right there is crazy.
[09:57] <bjv> do you have 2 network cards?
[09:58] <katana2k3> no
[09:58] <katana2k3> ok, it says ethernet adapter and ppp adapter for those 2 IP's respectively
[09:58] <bjv> alright. this is crazyness.
[09:58] <bjv> are you using a dialup modem?
[09:59] <bjv> or dialing the dsl directly?
[09:59] <katana2k3> i have to dial the DSL when i connect
[09:59] <bjv> and how do you do that?
[09:59] <bjv> you get little yellow telephone icons and crap?
[10:00] <katana2k3> double click the shortcut, and it says opening port, dialing, then verifying, authenticating
[10:01] <bjv> o_O
[10:01] <bjv> whatever. 192.168.0.1 is the IP of your desktop.
[10:01] <bjv> 209.161.226.70
[10:01] <bjv> is the gateway
[10:01] <katana2k3> ok
[10:02] <bjv> what is the subnet mask for 192.168.0.1
[10:02] <katana2k3> 255.255.255.0
[10:02] <bjv> alright, now its time to set up the laptop.
[10:02] <katana2k3> ok
[10:03] <bjv> i guess we'll do basics
[10:03] <bjv> ifconfig
[10:03] <bjv> that will print the info on your ifaces, just like in windows
[10:03] <bjv> we probably care about eth0
[10:04] <katana2k3> you want me to type 'ifconfig' in the terminal?
[10:04] <bjv> yeah
[10:04] <katana2k3> k
[10:05] <katana2k3> now what
[10:05] <bjv> to set the IP on your laptop, we could do ifconfig eth0 address 192.168.0.2
[10:05] <bjv> because 1 is the desktop, we'll just use the next one.
[10:05] <katana2k3> ok
[10:05] <katana2k3> ill type that in
[10:05] <bjv> to set netmask is. uh. type man ifconfig
[10:05] <bjv> :P
[10:06] <katana2k3> it says host name lookup failure
[10:07] <bjv> say what?
[10:07] <pussfeller> ifconfig eth0 netmask 255.255.255.0 address 192.168.0.2
[10:09] <bjv> host name lookup failure..
[10:09] <bjv> whatever.
[10:10] <bjv> screw ifconfig.
[10:10] <katana2k3> when i type in ifconfig eth0 adress 192.168.0.2 i get
[10:10] <katana2k3> adress: host name lookup failure
[10:10] <bjv> we are gonna just do it the hard way
[10:10] <bjv> there is a program called vi
[10:10] <katana2k3> ok
[10:10] <bjv> it's neat.
[10:10] <bjv> vi /etc/network/interfaces
[10:10] <katana2k3> k
[10:11] <bjv> press the 'insert' key to start editing text
[10:11] <bjv> ctr-c will break out of that
[10:11] <bjv> broken out of that will let us shift+:
[10:11] <bjv> that will open a little promt
[10:11] <bjv> type 'q!'
[10:11] <bjv> and press enter.
[10:12] <nikkia> katana2k3: you got 'host name lookup failure' because you spelt 'address' wrong :P
[10:12] <nikkia> it was trying to resolve the IP address for 'adress' and assign it to eth0
[10:12] <bjv> that will issue the (q)uit and the ! will force us to quit without saving changes
[10:12] <bjv> if you followed my steps, we just learned vi together.
[10:12] <bjv> and next we can do work.
[10:12] <nikkia> bjv, badly :P
[10:13] <nikkia> bjv, far better off learning the native vi keys, rather than the vim extensions
[10:13] <bjv> whatever :P
[10:13] <png> png how can i set mozilla-thunderbird default mail client? i dont want to use evolution
[10:13] <katana2k3> ok, that was abit crazy
[10:13] <nikkia> cos when you come to use elvis or real vi on a rescue disk, you're gonna be stuck without insert, ctrl-c, shift-:
[10:13] <bjv> it is. :)
[10:14] <bjv> you safely opened the file, then closed the program?
[10:14] <katana2k3> should i try the if config command you gave me and spell address properly?
[10:14] <bjv> nah
[10:15] <bjv> if you are back to the commandline, do a cp /etc/network/interfaces /etc/network/interfaces.backup
[10:15] <bjv> and spell it right. :P
[10:16] <bjv> if you have part of a word like netw you can press TAB and it should autocomplete
[10:16] <rikva|laptop> Hi guys, I'm taking the switch from Debian Testing to Kubuntu. Any things I should think of (except backupping)?
[10:17] <bjv> that cp will copy the file 'interfaces' into the new file 'interfaces.backup'
[10:17] <png> how can i set mozilla-thunderbird default mail client? i dont want to use evolution. when i clicked an email-link. iwant thunderbird opens. not wvolution
[10:18] <katana2k3> ok, i did the cp thing, amd it says cannot create regular file
[10:19] <bjv> hm
[10:19] <katana2k3> permission denied
[10:19] <bjv> are you root?
[10:19] <katana2k3> then i changed the prompt to root and did the same thing, then pressed enter and it went to a fresh command line
[10:19] <katana2k3> does that mean it worked?
[10:19] <bjv> yeah
[10:20] <bjv> ok, this time we are going to make some changes to the file.
[10:20] <katana2k3> ok
[10:20] <hussam> Guys, check this out: Man dies after online game marathon, http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/08/09/game.death.reut/index.html
[10:21] <bjv> iface eth0 inet static
[10:21] <bjv> address 192.168.0.2
[10:21] <bjv> netmask 255.255.255.0
[10:21] <bjv> network 192.168.0.0
[10:21] <bjv> broadcast 192.168.0.255
[10:21] <bjv> gateway 209.161.226.70
[10:21] <bjv> this is what the new entry will look like.
[10:21] <katana2k3> ok
[10:21] <bjv> vi /etc/network/interfaces
[10:22] <bjv> insert to type
[10:22] <katana2k3> do i have to use vi
[10:22] <benjamin1254> nyone know of any IRC chat systems where u can run it on ur computer... u run the irc chat room urself with ur own bots and stuffs like that... any ideas on programs i could use?
[10:22] <bjv> nah :P
[10:22] <bjv> but as root its tough to use gui tools
[10:22] <katana2k3> ok
[10:22] <bjv> i guess you could 'exit'
[10:22] <bjv> and sudo kate or something
[10:23] <bjv> but vi is not a bad tool when doing rootish things.
[10:23] <bjv> insert to type
[10:23] <bjv> control + c to stop
[10:23] <katana2k3> ok im looking at it
[10:23] <benjamin1254> bjv do u know of irc chat programs i could use and configure myself and use?
[10:23] <katana2k3> where do you want me to put in that stuff?
[10:23] <benjamin1254> so people could log onto my pc
[10:23] <bjv> there should already be a default eth0 entry
[10:23] <benjamin1254> and then from there they could use my pc asthe irc chat server
[10:24] <bjv> ive never looked into hosting my own IRC server
[10:24] <benjamin1254> i want to so bad
[10:24] <katana2k3> yeah but it says iface eth0 inet dhcp
[10:24] <bjv> apt-cache search irc server?
[10:25] <bjv> katana2k3: im pretty sure there isnt a dhcp server on your lil network.
[10:25] <bjv> that would be one of the things we will change.
[10:25] <katana2k3> ok want me to change it to static?
[10:25] <bjv> i myself set my card as static even though i have a dhcp server,
[10:25] <bjv> yes
[10:25] <benjamin1254> bjv thanks ill search it out
[10:26] <katana2k3> ok, and under it you want me to put all that other stuff?
[10:27] <bjv> yeah, change the necessary entries
[10:27] <bjv> oh, did i forget DNS nameserver?
[10:27] <bjv> make that one the same as your gateway
[10:28] <bjv> (the internet connections IP)
[10:30] <katana2k3> you want me to add 'DNS nameserver 209.161.226.70' to it?
[10:31] <katana2k3> ?
[10:31] <bjv> yeah, dns-nameservers is the proper syntax i think.
[10:31] <bjv> its usually after gateway, the values are usually the same.
[10:32] <jpatrick> Not on mine :p
[10:32] <bjv> you are weird.
[10:32] <katana2k3> ok i put it in, now what
[10:32] <bjv> save the file
[10:32] <katana2k3> how
[10:32] <bjv> control + c to stop typing
[10:33] <katana2k3> ok i did it
[10:33] <bjv> shift + colon to select the colon promt
[10:33] <bjv> type qw after the colon prompt
[10:33] <bjv> enter
[10:33] <bjv> like q! last time
[10:33] <bjv> but w for write
[10:33] <katana2k3> it says not an editor command
[10:33] <bjv> qw ?
[10:34] <katana2k3> yeah
[10:34] <bjv> do w
[10:34] <katana2k3> ok
[10:34] <bjv> it worked?
[10:34] <bjv> then do q
[10:34] <katana2k3> yeah it says written
[10:34] <bjv> k
[10:34] <bjv> weird.
[10:34] <bjv> usually you can string em together, like qw! if we wanted.
[10:35] <katana2k3> what should i do now?
[10:35] <bjv> well, file saved. vi quitted...
[10:35] <bjv> see if it worked!
[10:35] <katana2k3> how?
[10:35] <bjv> some ifconfig eth0 if you want to see if the changes are active
[10:35] <katana2k3> try a weebsite?
[10:35] <benjamin1254> man thats thefirst time ive seen people chat that much in this room
[10:36] <bjv> some ping 192.168.0.1 to try and bounce a packet off your desktop
[10:36] <katana2k3> ok
[10:36] <nikkia> bjv, need to reload the changes first :)
[10:36] <bjv> some open a webpage to see if GuyOnInternet has correctly totally randomly guessed what your network setup is like.
[10:36] <bjv> does he? then do the hardest reset you can muster.
[10:37] <bjv> :P
[10:37] <katana2k3> lol ok ill reset it
[10:37] <nikkia> ifup eth0 might work
[10:37] <bjv> or maybe the hardest reset he can muster.
[10:37] <bjv> ;P
[10:37] <nikkia> sadly, since kubuntu uses hotplug to config the network, its not guarenteed, the only sure fire way is to reboot
[10:38] <katana2k3> k
[10:38] <bjv> ifdown + ifup is all he really needs to do.
[10:38] <bjv> a reset will let us know if i made him bork is computer with vi
[10:38] <bjv> :P
[10:38] <benjamin1254> so it does almost everything through hotplug right?
[10:38] <bjv> init 6 as root will restart.
[10:39] <bjv> if you care to know, katana2k3.
[10:39] <katana2k3> ok thanks
[10:40] <nikkia> bjv, the problem is, the way hotplug does interface assignment actually confuses the ifup/down scripts sometimes, and you just get 'interface already configured' or 'interface not configured' when you try to use ifupdown stuff
[10:41] <bjv> well, he's a-resettin' anyway.
[10:41] <bjv> ;|
[10:41] <katana2k3> ok its back up
[10:41] <bjv> k
[10:41] <bjv> ifconfig eth0 to look at changes
[10:42] <bjv> ping 192.168.0.1 to test basic connectivity
[10:42] <katana2k3> sudo bash
[10:42] <katana2k3> lol sry, wrong keyboard
[10:42] <bjv> open webpage to see if i have ESP.
[10:42] <benjamin1254> bjv what does sudo bash do?
[10:42] <nikkia> katana2k3: sudo -s will do the same as sudo bash, btw
[10:43] <katana2k3> ok thanks nikkia
[10:43] <nikkia> benjamin1254: runs a shell as root, but its not the recommended way, sudo -s is
[10:43] <bjv> or just type su
[10:43] <bjv> then type the superuser pass
[10:43] <katana2k3> i did the ifconfig eth0, what am i looking for?
[10:43] <bjv> ;/
[10:43] <nikkia> bjv, su will only work if you set up a root account, not recommended on [k] ubuntu
[10:43] <bjv> 192.168.0.2
[10:43] <bjv> to see if our changes took.
[10:43] <katana2k3> its there
[10:43] <bjv> k
[10:44] <bjv> ping 192.168.0.1
[10:44] <bjv> you will either get some datas back, or it will hang, then error. :P
[10:44] <katana2k3> ok, i think it went
[10:44] <katana2k3> wait
[10:44] <bjv> datas it is.
[10:44] <bjv> you will notice if it is dataing.
[10:45] <bjv> if it is still hung, control + c
[10:45] <katana2k3> it said 56(84) bytes of data, then it said From 192.168.0.2 host unreachable
[10:45] <bjv> ...
[10:45] <nikkia> oh dear
[10:46] <bjv> well, thats *some* results.
[10:46] <bjv> if it wasnt there at all you would get:
[10:46] <bjv> --- 192.168.0.1 ping statistics ---
[10:46] <bjv> 55 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 53991ms
[10:46] <bjv> because i dont have anything at that address.. and thats what i get. :P
[10:46] <nikkia> bjv, no, what he got can be just as bad
[10:46] <katana2k3> ok, i got one thing of data, and a whole lot of host unreachables
[10:46] <bjv> eh
[10:47] <bjv> you got a response?
[10:47] <nikkia> he IS getting 100% packet loss, the loss is just due to some routing issue
[10:47] <bjv> yeah, i guess i never asked: are your cables plugged in. :P
[10:48] <bjv> or: are there solid link lights. :P
[10:48] <bjv> well, a good response would be something like:
[10:48] <bjv> 64 bytes from 192.168.1.100: icmp_seq=1 ttl=128 time=0.391 ms
[10:48] <katana2k3> no, ill go try another cable
[10:48] <bjv> i dont see how a brainless hub could route wrong though.
[10:49] <bjv> i guess it is 'switching' not just spamming to all nodes.
[10:50] <equex> hi folx, I have borked my Quanta config files, and synaptic has greyed out the Reinstallation button for all Quanta/kdewebdevelop packages. how can i just reinstall quanta ? sudko dpkg --reinstall quanta or something ?
[10:51] <bjv> uh
[10:51] <bjv> apt-get check ?
[10:51] <bjv> as root, from console.
[10:52] <bjv> wait, you borked the configs?
[10:52] <bjv> not the actual install?
[10:53] <equex> bjv: just the configs.. i messed all the syntax highlighting stuff and cant get it back
[10:53] <Tranquitos> hello
[10:53] <equex> other than that, it works perfectly
[10:53] <bjv> eh, apt-get remove packagenameZ
[10:53] <bjv> apt-get install packagename
[10:53] <katana2k3> ok, its not the cable
[10:53] <Tranquitos> anyone has programming experience with crypt.h here?
[10:54] <bjv> and apt-cache search Some Stuff From Package if you dont know the name?
[10:54] <bjv> katana2k3: not the cable?
[10:54] <katana2k3> no its not
[10:54] <equex> just weird that synaptic doesnt offer Reinstallation
[10:55] <jpatrick> Kynaptic does
[10:55] <bjv> hmm
[10:55] <bjv> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[10:55] <equex> Synaptic does it for everything except Quanta it seems :) thats why i am a little wary
[10:56] <bjv> ..
[10:56] <bjv> ping 209.161.226.70 i just wanna see what happens.
[10:56] <equex> well trying it now..
[10:56] <katana2k3> ok
[10:57] <katana2k3> network unreachable
[10:58] <bjv> different kind of not-working?
[10:58] <bjv> or same exact kind from 192.168.0.1
[10:58] <katana2k3> yeah
[10:58] <katana2k3> different kind
[10:58] <bjv> good-ish, i guess
[10:59] <bjv> ok. what 3 things is the DSL modem plugged into.
[10:59] <bjv> 1) phone line
[10:59] <bjv> 2) wall socket
[10:59] <bjv> and 3) is...
[10:59] <bjv> ..
[10:59] <katana2k3> switch
[10:59] <bjv> switch.
[10:59] <bjv> jesus.
[10:59] <nikkia> bjv, that gateway line won't work
[11:00] <nikkia> the gateway *must* be within the netmask of the interface, ie 192.168.0.*
[11:00] <bjv> yeah, the gateway is going to have to be 192.168.0.1
[11:00] <bjv> true.
[11:00] <bjv> i have no real idea wtf is going on with his modem though.
[11:00] <bjv> as far as i care, the best thing now is to route the dsl direct to his nic
[11:00] <nikkia> i'd double check that 192.168.0.* is actually the network tho
[11:01] <bjv> :/
[11:01] <benjamin1254> 192 is usally the router ip
[11:01] <nikkia> not being able to ping 192.168.0.1 suggests that the network is wrong
[11:01] <bjv> ping 192.168.0.1 and see what we get.
[11:01] <nikkia> bjv: he did, host unreachable
[11:01] <bjv> then ping 192.168.0.99
[11:01] <bjv> compare the errors.
[11:01] <bjv> probably the same.
[11:02] <katana2k3> same
[11:02] <bjv> yeah
[11:02] <nikkia> bjv, can you double check the network info on the desktop for me
[11:03] <bjv> ifconfig on the windows box reports 192.168.0.1
[11:03] <bjv> katana2k3: recheck it?
[11:03] <nikkia> wait, is the windows box running connection sharing ?
[11:03] <bjv> no
[11:03] <bjv> i think we should now work under the assumption that the win box magically connects directly to the DSL modem.
[11:03] <bjv> there is no way we can touch it.
[11:03] <bjv> so...
[11:03] <nikkia> bjv, yeah, i was thinking it might be bridged myself
[11:04] <bjv> we will *make* the windows box share it.
[11:04] <nikkia> one good thing about ICS...
[11:04] <nikkia> it includes a dhcp server :)
[11:04] <bjv> eh
[11:04] <bjv> we already have the laptop working on 192.168.0.2
[11:04] <bjv> share the connection.
[11:04] <nikkia> bjv, no, we don't have it 'working' otherwise we wouldn't get 'host unreachable' :)
[11:04] <bjv> ensure the windows boxen nic is set to 0.1
[11:05] <nikkia> bjv, and if you're going to enable ICS on that windows box for him, you have a shock coming :P
[11:05] <katana2k3> is there another way to check?
[11:05] <nikkia> bjv, in that enabling ICS completely rewrites the LAN ips with its own private network mask, and requests that you run dhcp on the clients :/
[11:05] <bjv> argh. nikkia is right on point 1 at least.
[11:06] <bjv> ICS..
[11:06] <equex> bjv: it worked out after some tinkering :)
[11:06] <bjv> i dont think ive ever used ICS
[11:06] <bjv> ive used RAS on NT boxen before
[11:06] <bjv> with static ip's to boot.
[11:06] <bjv> :////
[11:06] <nikkia> bjv, i have, it was a nightmare, but thats only because i already had a dhcpd on the LAN, and the two clashed - forcing none of the machines to have working TCP :)
[11:07] <katana2k3> i noticed that when it was booting up again, it failed to get a name...or something
[11:07] <nikkia> bjv, on a 'dumb' setup, ICS is pretty easy to get working - enable ICS on the windows PC, and set the rest of the hosts to dhcp discovery from that machine
[11:07] <bjv> well we can be assured he has no DynamicHostConfigurationProtocal on his network.
[11:07] <bjv> i think.
[11:07] <bjv> :\
[11:07] <nikkia> bjv, i wouldn't assume that
[11:07] <nikkia> bjv, if the modem isn't bridged, it might be serving its own dhcp
[11:07] <bjv> i really think the modem is bridged now.
[11:08] <nikkia> it might even be serving dhcp in bridge mode (in which case, it will report ONE address - the public IP)
[11:08] <bjv> not that he would be able to ping it anyway
[11:08] <benjamin1254> bvjv how would u runf packages u know uhave instelled but just wont show up.. i know i asked this b4 its just i ned 2 be reminded again
[11:08] <nikkia> bjv, it might be worthwhile just doing a manual dhclient run, just to check
[11:08] <katana2k3> ok, i better go to bed guys. please email me if you have any ideas: [email protected]
[11:08] <bjv> k
[11:08] <katana2k3> its 5am here
[11:09] <bjv> katana2k3: will you be back in this channel?
[11:09] <benjamin1254> it 5:04 here
[11:09] <bjv> im here 3-4 times a week.
[11:09] <katana2k3> yeah ill be back when i wake up
[11:09] <bjv> and it is late.
[11:09] <nikkia> and i'm here almost all the time :)
[11:09] <bjv> yeah
[11:09] <katana2k3> thanks alot guy for trying. see you later today
[11:09] <benjamin1254> eh im here when i have probelms
[11:09] <bjv> katanna
[11:09] <bjv> [email protected]
[11:09] <katana2k3> yeah?
[11:10] <bjv> nikkia is right, we will try dhcp next time.
[11:10] <katana2k3> ppl
[11:11] <bjv> alright, im off.
[11:11] <nikkia> gah!
[11:11] <nikkia> no wonder i've had no mail for 2 hours
[11:11] <nikkia> postfix died
[11:12] <benjamin1254> how das
[11:12] <benjamin1254> sad*
[11:12] <benjamin1254> lol
[11:12] <nikkia> wtf?
[11:12] <nikkia> my machine is acting weird
[11:12] <benjamin1254> like
[11:12] <benjamin1254> explain
[11:12] <nikkia> benjamin1254: like refusing connections on ports its listening to
[11:13] <benjamin1254> :O man thats messed up
[11:13] <nikkia> benjamin1254: can you try something for me ?
[11:13] <benjamin1254> sure
[11:13] <nikkia> (just to see if its a lan-only issue)
[11:13] <nikkia> try 'telnet narch.1.vg 25'
[11:13] <benjamin1254> k
[11:13] <nikkia> see if you get a postfix smtp prompt
[11:14] <benjamin1254> idk but it froze in my konsole so far
[11:14] <benjamin1254> it hasent done nehing yet
[11:15] <benjamin1254> Trying 2001:5c0:8fff:fffe::31b3...
[11:15] <benjamin1254> Trying 87.74.30.24...
[11:15] <benjamin1254> thats what im getting
[11:15] <nikkia> i think afraid's dns is going flakey, again
[11:16] <nikkia> actually, no, it looks like a weird routing issue
[11:16] <benjamin1254> wll its goin an goin
[11:16] <nikkia> sometimes it tries to connect, and gets refused, other times it connects properly
[11:16] <benjamin1254> ill post what i get
[11:16] <nikkia> benjamin1254: try interrupting it, and trying again
[11:16] <benjamin1254> interupt it how
[11:16] <nikkia> ctrl-c
[11:16] <benjamin1254> k
[11:17] <benjamin1254> trying it again
[11:17] <benjamin1254> Trying 2001:5c0:8fff:fffe::31b3...
[11:17] <benjamin1254> Trying 87.74.30.24...
[11:18] <nikkia> thats bizarre
[11:19] <benjamin1254> yeah
[11:19] <nikkia> think i'll reboot my modem see if that cures anything
[11:19] <benjamin1254> k
[11:19] <benjamin1254> think it might
[11:20] <benjamin1254> im building a server here soon and it might taker me a cupple months but it will bewell worth it inthe end
[11:21] <nikkia> ok, back
[11:21] <nikkia> can you try the telnet again?
[11:21] <benjamin1254> ok try it again
[11:22] <benjamin1254> Trying 2001:5c0:8fff:fffe::31b3...
[11:22] <benjamin1254> Trying 87.74.30.24...
[11:23] <benjamin1254> should i interupt it or leave it go
[11:23] <nikkia> interrupt
[11:23] <benjamin1254> k
[11:23] <nikkia> and try again, i found an old lingering ip in the postfix config
[11:23] <nikkia> but it was working yesterday, don't understand
[11:24] <nikkia> well, its definitely reachable, sending from gmail works
[11:24] <nikkia> maybe your ISP is blocking connections to port 25 somehow - it happens
[11:24] <benjamin1254> idk
[11:25] <benjamin1254> man im so bored
[11:25] <benjamin1254> id like to do something interesting in konsole
[11:26] <benjamin1254> there isent ne thing to do
[11:43] <seaLne> very weird konqueror won't talk to my proxy or use basic auth anymore...
[11:53] <toma> hi,, anyone time to help me with my sound setup? My neighbour is grinding his whole house and I can not take it any longer
[12:03] <Phantom^^> can anyone tell me how i connect to a shared folder on mac from kubuntu
[12:04] <nikkia> morning Phantom^^
[12:05] <nikkia> Phantom^^: depends on what method(s) the mac is using to share files
[12:05] <nikkia> on OS X, its probably easiest to just enable samba and use that :)
[12:05] <jpatrick> I could never get Samba to work :-/
[12:05] <toma> cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp gives me a nice noise, but further then that I'm hearing nothing.
[12:06] <nikkia> on pre-OS X macs, you'll need to get appletalk/netatalk working, its not fun
[12:07] <nikkia> 800MB of swap used? *where*?
[12:07] <jpatrick> holy...
[12:08] <nikkia> jpatrick: the largest process is java, with 140MB used, but even adding everything up, i don't see how its using all 1GB of ram + 800GB of swap
[12:09] <nikkia> there are only 3 processes over 50MB, those being java and X (both ~140MB) and artsd (120MB)
[12:09] <nikkia> then it drops to 50MB for firefox, and rapidly gets smaller below that
[12:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol.
[12:09] <jpatrick> I'm only using using 63MB
[12:10] <nikkia> firefox and thunderbird are both using around 50MB, *but* they both are sharing 22MB of libs, so the real footprint is probably around 75MB for the pair
[12:11] <jpatrick> I can't get this chart to move to the left
[12:11] <jpatrick> :-/
[12:11] <nikkia> jpatrick: what chart?
[12:12] <hussam> why does Xorg use so much memory? I have just 384MB so 150
[12:12] <jpatrick> in KSpread
[12:12] <nikkia> hussam: images
[12:12] <nikkia> hussam: its the 'flaw' of modern desktops
[12:12] <nikkia> since everything is pixmap based, X bloats to a huge size with all of your widgets and skins
[12:12] <nikkia> if you run twm and stick to Xaw/Xlib apps, you'll see X stays tiny
[12:13] <jpatrick> yes i've deleted it at last
[12:13] <hussam> nikkia: will this stay the same or will it be improved or fixed in the future?
[12:13] <nikkia> oh, and always read the 'res' column, X lists huge chunks of non-real memory in its full memory figure
[12:13] <nikkia> hussam: it'll get worse
[12:13] <hussam> nikkia: doh!
[12:14] <nikkia> hussam: when you start adding in huge chunks of composite usage, you'll see X storing huge numbers of window pixmaps to handle alpha blending
[12:15] <nikkia> i wouldn't be surprised to see ~300-400MB usage being common for X with KDE4 and onwards
[12:15] <nikkia> hussam: as much as i hate the 'X is a braindead system' slashdot trolls, it really does need to be scrapped and start fresh, at this point
[12:16] <DoktorTomoe> Well, I certainly hope I won't need any fancy graphics card for KDE4.
[12:16] <hussam> nikkia: I see your point. the problem is that I only have a 384 MB ram.
[12:16] <nikkia> hussam, as i said tho, you have to read the 'res' column for true X usage, because things like the full memory space of the video card, get counted into the 'virt' column
[12:17] <DoktorTomoe> hussam: I only have 256 MB Ram on my productive workstation, and X works just fine
[12:17] <seaLne> if you have free RAM it will get used
[12:18] <hussam> nikkia: res? you mean VmRss ( in KDE sysguard )
[12:18] <nikkia> hussam: as time goes on, most likely you'll find it gets 'troublesome', at first, you'll probably not notice huge swap usage, but instead start to see X get more and more sluggish as it can't maintain its pixmap caches well
[12:19] <nikkia> hussam: yes
[12:19] <hussam> nikkia: what's the difference between VmRss and VmSize ?
[12:19] <nikkia> hussam: VmSize counts all the other stuff, including virtual memory - such as the video card's memory space
[12:20] <nikkia> hussam: RSS is the resident memory usage, actual memory that is being used, VmSize is *everything*
[12:20] <hussam> Ok I understand that now, thanks for the explanation.
[12:20] <nikkia> hussam: for example, in unix systems, there's a function called 'mmap' which maps a file (which might not actually be a real file) into memory space, if you mmap a 1GB file, it will show up as 1GB usage in VmSize, but its not really using 1GB of memory, the file is read and returned 'as needed'
[12:22] <hussam> I've used Unix before in my first year in college.
[12:22] <DoktorTomoe> has anyone succeeded installing or compiling kdissert on hoary?
[12:23] <paines> hi
[12:24] <jpatrick> hi
[12:25] <Phantom^^> hmmm
[12:25] <Phantom^^> how do i set it up so i can log into the root account
[12:25] <hussam> where can I get a Kubuntu botton to make a link to kubuntu.org in a forum?
[12:25] <seaLne> Phantom^^: you could just use sudo
[12:26] <seaLne> hussam: isn't there one at the bottom of kubuntu.org?
[12:26] <jpatrick> search google images for kubunut
[12:26] <jpatrick> kubuntu*
[12:26] <hussam> seaLne: yep I got that
[12:27] <DoktorTomoe> Phantom^: Why do you want to do that?
[12:30] <toma> to what do i set my soundsystem when /dev/dsp can make noise?
[12:31] <Phantom^^> cos im trying to copy some files of cd into a directory which requires root privaledges to access
[12:31] <Phantom^^> and using sudo for each one is a pain ..
[12:32] <seaLne> you should be able to access them via media:/ in konqueror
[12:33] <DoktorTomoe> Phantom^^: sudo cp some-files[REGEX] /target ... one line. It really is a bad idea unlocking root ... some people stop thinking once they are.
[12:33] <Phantom^^> ok
[12:34] <slow-motion> hello
[12:39] <Will__> does sudo not remember your password for an amount of time?
[12:39] <Will__> I find mine not always asking for a password
[12:39] <seaLne> Will__: correct
[12:40] <Will__> Am I? Do I get a cookie?
[12:41] <nikkia> will, it is 15 minutes by default, iirc
[12:41] <nikkia> you can change it tho
[12:41] <nikkia> and if you feel like walking away, and know you used sudo, you can use 'sudo -d' to reset it
[12:42] <nikkia> sorry, -k
[12:42] <nikkia> or -K to be a 'bit more secure'
[12:42] <Will__> I've not even had my coffee yet, and already I feel like I've touched lives
[12:42] <nikkia> (-k resets the timestamp so that you should be asked again, -K removes the timestamp entirely)
[12:43] <nikkia> ah, no, default is 5 minutes
[12:43] <nikkia> it used to be 15 minutes, i think
[12:43] <seaLne> Will__: :)
[12:44] <PieD> Hi
[12:44] <nikkia> if you feel bored, you can even turn on 'insult mode' for sudo
[12:44] <nikkia> where it insults you if you type the password wrong
[12:44] <PieD> is it planned to remove useless services from default installation of ubuntu/kubuntu ?
[12:44] <PieD> I just installed the latest breezy snapshot under qemu, and I see :
[12:44] <PieD> "Starting RAID devices"
[12:44] <PieD> quite useless, isn't it ?
[12:45] <nikkia> pied, not if you choose to use linux's soft-raid
[12:45] <PieD> I didn't
[12:45] <nikkia> pied, thats not the point
[12:45] <PieD> I also see :
[12:45] <PieD> "Setting up LVM volume groups"
[12:45] <nikkia> pied, the soft-raid stuff is installed as part of the base linux install
[12:45] <PieD> "Starting EVMS"
[12:45] <PieD> that's useless, time and memory consuming
[12:45] <nikkia> i'd say EVMS should be removed, but LVM is part of soft-raid :)
[12:45] <PieD> especially evms AND lvm
[12:46] <PieD> nikkia: isn't it only device mapper ?
[12:46] <PieD> LVM isn't device mapper
[12:46] <nikkia> PieD: they're not functional equivalents
[12:46] <PieD> but that services aren't necessary on most computers
[12:46] <nikkia> pied, if someone enables a LVM group, and kubuntu doesn't start it up, they'd be annoyed
[12:47] <nikkia> pied, and afaik, it doesn't waste memory really anyway
[12:47] <PieD> the detection of LVM is possible
[12:47] <PieD> it wastes CPU time for the boot
[12:47] <nikkia> PieD: oh no, half a second longer boots, the horrors!
[12:47] <PieD> ubuntu doesn't start really quickly, why overloading it ?
[12:48] <PieD> it'd be more something like 2 seconds
[12:49] <PieD> (so about 3% of the boot process)
[12:50] <nikkia> and how often do you reboot ?
[12:51] <PieD> I ? only one time a day
[12:51] <PieD> but a lot of users I know halt and start their computer 5 times a day
[12:52] <PieD> (about 5...)
[12:52] <nikkia> they're doing something wrong then :)
[12:52] <PieD> yes, I know
[12:52] <nikkia> i reboot once every 3-4 months on average
[12:53] <PieD> I hate such behaviors for non-server computers (letting it running 24 hours a day)
[12:53] <nikkia> why? its safer
[12:53] <nikkia> themal shock is the enemy of a modern PC
[12:53] <nikkia> thermal, even
[12:53] <PieD> it's energy consuming
[12:53] <buz> no heat is the enemy of drives
[12:54] <nikkia> buz, thermal shock is more dangerous to them
[12:55] <buz> ever tried to rma a drive that got over 55 once?
[12:55] <nikkia> buz, a HDD will survive for pretty much its rated life at any temperature over 0C and under 55C, if you're over 55C you're going to have serious trouble
[12:55] <buz> no
[12:55] <ztonzy> nice, just got my 15 Ubuntu CD's to give away :)
[12:55] <buz> even at 55 its life will be vastly shorter
[12:55] <buz> for best measure, be below 40
[12:55] <buz> same goes for psus, btw
[12:56] <nikkia> buz, the fact remains, thermal shock going from room temp to 55C more than occasionally, is going to do more damage than running at 55C is, anyway
[12:57] <buz> mh i have more drives seen fail running 24/7 at high temperatures than those in desktops
[12:57] <nikkia> IBM deathstars may fair better there, assuming they're not the bad deathstars :)
[12:57] <ztonzy> nikkia: mine was :-\
[12:57] <buz> deathstars arent even supposed to be run 24*7
[12:57] <nikkia> buz, glass platters survive thermal shock better than metal platters tho
[12:58] <buz> u sure?
[12:58] <nikkia> buz, yes
[12:58] <buz> ever tried shock cooling hot glass?
[12:58] <buz> not even expensive laboratory glass particularly likes it
[12:59] <nikkia> buz, thats something different
[12:59] <buz> if that reasoning was true, notebook drives would have to fail all the time
[01:05] <nikkia> buz, out of all the drives i've owned, i've only ever had 4 die before they got thrown away for being ridiculously small
[01:05] <buz> mhh ive had die plenty
[01:05] <Will__> I need to rig up a cooling solution for this box. 4 HDDS and the main drive locks when it overheats
[01:05] <buz> more than i replaced for being too small
[01:05] <buz> Will__: get a antec slk3700 case
[01:05] <nikkia> and of those 4, 2 were a defective seagate design, 1 was a quantum scsi-3 that 'died' then started working miraculously months later (stuck platter), and still worked when it was tossed
[01:06] <buz> you can put a nice slow 120mm fan in front of the 6 drives it can hold
[01:06] <nikkia> the last remaining drive in the list, was a 80GB deathstar that was in theory one of the bad ones, but survived 4 years before it started clicking
[01:06] <Will__> buz: If I could afford that then I'd buy another drive to replace this flakey one
[01:06] <PieD> I just installed breezy
[01:06] <buz> i had everything besides samsung (which i dont own too long) die on me
[01:06] <buz> hows breezy these days?
[01:06] <PieD> and the X server tells me "version 6.8.2"
[01:06] <PieD> buz: buggy, but usable
[01:06] <PieD> (I installed it in qemu)
[01:06] <buz> is it nearing productive quality?
[01:06] <Will__> Did the deathstars not have 5 plates instead of 4, which made the heads more likely to crash into something?
[01:06] <buz> ah
[01:07] <buz> might do that some time :)
[01:07] <PieD> for instance, don't use kdm
[01:07] <buz> the small ones surely dont
[01:07] <PieD> I believed breezy was using X11R7 !!
[01:07] <buz> and i had all of them suckers die
[01:07] <buz> but also maxtor, western digital, seagate
[01:07] <Will__> I'll upgrade my os when e17 comes out!
[01:07] <buz> i treat drives as consumables, really
[01:07] <PieD> Will__: e17 sux
[01:07] <nikkia> buz, oh, i did once have a WD drive that was DOA
[01:07] <buz> they'll occasionally fail so you need backups ;)
[01:07] <Will__> PieD: since when?
[01:07] <nikkia> 20GB of bad sectors on a brand new out of the box 80GB drive
[01:08] <PieD> since it exists
[01:08] <buz> which in my case means rsyncing /home against one of our webservers
[01:08] <buz> also gives me fire proof backup ;)
[01:08] <nikkia> Will__: as i understood it, no, the deathstars were a standard 20GB/platter arrangement
[01:08] <buz> and at least in theory, access to all files from whereeve i am
[01:08] <nikkia> Will__: the major difference was that the platters were glass
[01:08] <buz> yes and i had 40gb ones die en masse
[01:09] <buz> i refuse to buy ibm / hitachi drives ever since
[01:09] <Will__> nikkia: Ahh. I'd heard different. Why did the glass not help?
[01:09] <nikkia> Will__: it did, if you had a good one
[01:09] <buz> i've come to the conclusion that they all are crap
[01:09] <buz> so i buy samsng, these are at least rather silent
[01:09] <nikkia> Will__: i suspect it was manufacturing defects in the glass that caused half the problems
[01:09] <buz> i suspect it was the logic
[01:09] <buz> we swapped logic boards once and it started to work again
[01:09] <Will__> nikkia: I can imagine making tolerant glass was/is much more difficult than doing the same with metal
[01:10] <nikkia> buz, still, not quite as nasty as the logic problem with my 2 seagates :)
[01:10] <nikkia> buz, a 131MB and a 250MB drive, both had fuses on the logic board *catch fire*
[01:10] <buz> mhh i had a couple of 3 year old seagates fail recently
[01:10] <seaLne> anyone using breezy could you do me a favour and check that you can access a basic auth protected page in konqueror? i'm very confused as to why this isn't working as from the looks of it konq hasn't changed in a while
[01:11] <buz> ok THATs bad
[01:11] <nikkia> buz, i also had a panasonic cdrom catch fire once :)
[01:11] <EasterSunshine> hey what do you guys to do make hdds fail?
[01:11] <EasterSunshine> mines haven't failed for like five years
[01:11] <buz> mhh i had a psu go up in smoke once
[01:11] <buz> of course i accidentally short circuited it
[01:11] <nikkia> EasterSunshine: i don't, usually
[01:11] <Will__> nikkia: I had a modem catch fire once. one of the older ones with a largish built in speaker
[01:12] <EasterSunshine> and i even move them to my friends every month
[01:12] <buz> the question is what do you do that yours dont fail
[01:12] <nikkia> EasterSunshine: i still have a 20yo scsi drive that works perfectly (slowly) somewhere
[01:12] <Will__> thick black smoke and all
[01:12] <buz> most of my friends pretty much accept that drives will fail occasionally
[01:12] <EasterSunshine> a drive failing is like...the end of the world to me
[01:12] <nikkia> of the 6 HDDs in my system right now, 4 of them are older than 5 years
[01:12] <buz> that's why i have raid1 ;)
[01:12] <buz> and offsite backup, at least daily ;)
[01:13] <nikkia> the 2 120GB drives are only slightly newer
[01:13] <EasterSunshine> isn't raid1 like half the space that you paid for, cause of data redudancy
[01:13] <buz> yes
[01:13] <buz> but ten times more valuable
[01:13] <buz> i cant stand data loss
[01:13] <EasterSunshine> i dunno how you live with that...half as much space...
[01:13] <EasterSunshine> i buy the cheapests disks ever, and utilize every single gigabyte that i can
[01:13] <Will__> EasterSunshine: You've just made 2 conflicting statements
[01:14] <Will__> And anybody who needs _lots_ of hdd space is a pirate. damn your eyes.
[01:14] <EasterSunshine> damn Will_ you are right....
[01:14] <nikkia> i might replace a couple of my smaller drives with 1 big SATA sometime soon
[01:14] <nikkia> since i've seen 300GB sata going for around 50
[01:15] <EasterSunshine> acutally, no, cause my hdds never failed, so i see no problem in having no backup drives
[01:15] <seaLne> single point of failure then
[01:15] <EasterSunshine> nikkia: !! link?
[01:15] <buz> trust me when one does, you'll understand why i use raid1
[01:15] <buz> thats cheap
[01:15] <EasterSunshine> i thought the cheapest possible was like 70 usd for 250 gigs
[01:16] <nikkia> EasterSunshine: thats not that far off 50/300G
[01:16] <buz> i cant get below 110USD for 250GB here :(
[01:16] <Will__> I'm going to need a raid card if I jam in another hdd for this box. along with a couple of fans. no airflow in the case
[01:16] <toma> libesd0 or libesd-alsa ?
[01:16] <EasterSunshine> acutally, come to think of it, i've had my friends drives fail inside my boxes...guess my drives just have good luck
[01:18] <slow-motion> is it possible to put fortune in the signature from thunderbird? so that i have a new signature everytime i write an email.
[01:18] <buz> write an extension :)
[01:18] <buz> if there isnt one already
[01:18] <nikkia> actually, thinking about it, those 2 seagates didn't do too badly, i bought them in '92, they were my original linux installs, and they died in mid 96
[01:18] <EasterSunshine> sounds like a sciprting job
[01:20] <nikkia> EasterSunshine: that 50/300GB must have been a limited offer, the place has them for 88 now
[01:21] <buz> thats more in line
[01:21] <EasterSunshine> damn, i guess after counting shipping to us, it'll be unreasonably expensive...
[01:21] <slow-motion> i did not find an extension for thunderbird doind this
[01:21] <EasterSunshine> well thx for looking
[01:21] <buz> write one
[01:21] <nikkia> buz, i can't remember if they were DM9's, i suspect they were, cos the 88 is for a DM10
[01:21] <nikkia> buz, it would explain the cheap price if they were getting rid of DM9 stock
[01:21] <buz> maxtor are about the loudest drives there are
[01:22] <buz> they dont come near my pc again
[01:22] <nikkia> buz, well, i won't buy WD after the 20GB bad sectors incident :)
[01:22] <nikkia> especially when i was told that it was a problem the whole batch had :)
[01:22] <buz> as i say, samsung for me
[01:22] <EasterSunshine> buz: all of my disks that never failed are maxtors
[01:22] <buz> i have had maxtors fail
[01:22] <nikkia> not me
[01:22] <buz> no wonder they sound like the bearings are broken from day 1
[01:23] <nikkia> except for the scsi3 quantum i mentioned
[01:23] <EasterSunshine> dang, i dunno what you guys do to your disks...
[01:23] <buz> of course i had like 30 drives in use over the last 5 years
[01:23] <nikkia> and i have a heard time saying 'that failed' really, when it started working again months later
[01:23] <buz> thats failed in my book
[01:23] <chx> not as a flame war -- i have just met Aqua the weekend -- is there any ongoing effort to create something like Aqua for Linux?
[01:23] <buz> a drive that starts reporting weird stuff goes to trash
[01:23] <buz> kde4 in some ways
[01:23] <nikkia> buz, i just moved it to a non-critical use
[01:24] <EasterSunshine> buz: you have the heart to throw out an hdd?
[01:24] <nikkia> buz, ie, it sat in my sampler where it just held copies of my sample CDs
[01:24] <buz> sure
[01:24] <EasterSunshine> thats crazy, even if mines were to fail, i would spend months trying to fix it
[01:24] <buz> i have a whole stack of defunct hds behind me
[01:24] <buz> no wait
[01:24] <buz> i brought them to recycling a few weeks ago
[01:24] <EasterSunshine> i'm not rich with drives, i only have six in the entire house
[01:24] <nikkia> buz, if it failed again, it was just a case of reloading the CDs, and the handful of personal samples that i always backed up to CD anyway
[01:24] <EasterSunshine> buz: warranties expired?
[01:24] <buz> mhh who knows
[01:25] <nikkia> buz, and it didn't fail again, in the 2 years i used it
[01:25] <buz> if they are less than half the psace of a new drive dont bother
[01:25] <EasterSunshine> omg, if i knew more ppl like you, buz...
[01:25] <buz> sending stuff back costs more than its worth
[01:25] <EasterSunshine> i would go to their house everyday and like sneak a drive into my pocket
[01:25] <buz> s&h and all that crap
[01:26] <buz> i treat hardware as disposable
[01:26] <buz> if it fails, tough luck
[01:26] <EasterSunshine> i treat hardware as children
[01:26] <buz> in generall, its not worth to bother
[01:26] <buz> seeing a shrink because of all the nerves RMA's cost is much more expensive
[01:26] <Phantom^^> YAY i got doom 3 working under kubuntu
[01:26] <seaLne> buz: it depends on how many disks are dead when it gets to about 5 or 6 i tend to return them
[01:27] <buz> its different with 2000$ cisco routers and stuff like that
[01:27] <buz> or 500$ lcds
[01:27] <buz> which have onsite anyhow
[01:28] <EasterSunshine> phantom^^: cedega?
[01:30] <Phantom^^> nope
[01:30] <Phantom^^> i got the linux install file from ids ftp server
[01:30] <Phantom^^> and got the .pk4 files from the win32 installtion disks
[01:30] <Phantom^^> and you can run in linux straight
[01:30] <EasterSunshine> aw man...that means like...paying for it and everything
[01:31] <Phantom^^> well not nessacerily but you have to pay for the cd key
[01:31] <EasterSunshine> well, any comments on performance?
[01:31] <buz> i'm sure you could run it without cd key
[01:31] <buz> offline at least
[01:31] <Phantom^^> first time load i set the settings to what i use under windows and its pretty good perfectly playable i need to tweak it though
[01:31] <EasterSunshine> phantom^^: meaning if i have already have a cd key, i'm good to go?
[01:31] <Phantom^^> yeah
[01:31] <Will__> gahhh. does somebody want to buy my coursebooks for me?
[01:32] <EasterSunshine> awesome
[01:32] <Phantom^^> buz it asks you for the cd key the first time you run it from the shell
[01:32] <buz> if you want to run it bad enough it wont ;)
[01:32] <EasterSunshine> lol
[01:33] <Phantom^^> heeh
[01:52] <dargo> hi all
[01:54] <dargo> Somebody knows if it is possible to add to support flash-player to the konqueror navigator?
[01:58] <EasterSunshine> dargo, i've been looking for that for a while also, better ask in #kde, maybe
[01:58] <dargo> ok, thanks EasterSunshine
[02:25] <_raven> hi
[02:39] <Psyco> hi
[02:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[02:39] <Psyco> I have done a script and I want to run it at startup
[02:40] <Psyco> I have edited the kdmrc (/etc/kde3/kdm/)
[02:40] <Psyco> but I'm not sure if this is the correct file
[02:40] <Psyco> please
[02:41] <Psyco> I just want run my script on startup
[02:41] <Psyco> but I don't know how
[02:47] <Psyco> hi again
[02:48] <Psyco> I would like to change the configuration of my keyboard
[02:49] <Psyco> do you know how can I change the meaning of each key ?
[02:56] <Dhraakellian> diee, there's no need to /msg me
[02:57] <Dhraakellian> a) I'm marked as away and soon to be afk
[02:58] <Dhraakellian> b) if there's anything with which you need help, asking in the channel will get you more help most likely
[02:58] <Dhraakellian> c) /msged asl is rude
[03:07] <slow-motion> bye
[03:13] <sladen> diee: same here, please ask in the channel!
[03:15] <sladen> Dhraakellian: so what was... I didn't get that lucky :(
[04:11] <bucher> #ubuntu-de
[04:12] <bucher> join #ubuntu-de
[04:16] <nikkia> that was rather silly
[04:16] <toma> thanks for the help passing acpi=off to the kernel helped
[04:16] <nikkia> i noticed my fcrontab entry didn't work at boot....
[04:16] <nikkia> then used the front end admin program, and discovered that the next scheduled run was in febuary 2006
[04:17] <nikkia> erm, febuary 2007
[04:17] <nikkia> it was interpreting '15m' as every 15 months, not 'every 15 minutes' :P
[04:17] <apokryphos> hah
[04:30] <scroll> hello ppl
[04:31] <scroll> can anyone send me a sources.list files for Kubuntu
[04:31] <jpatrick> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[04:31] <jpatrick> :p
[04:32] <apokryphos> Nah, that won't have latest kde repos etc
[04:32] <scroll> <.8
[04:32] <jjesse> http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kisimlar/swmgmt.html#swmgmt
[04:32] <apokryphos> http://giannaros.org/sources.list
[04:32] <jpatrick> yeah
[04:32] <apokryphos> Good idea to do the GPG stuff too at...
[04:32] <apokryphos> !gpg
[04:32] <ubotu> it has been said that gpg is at http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html#h2add
[04:33] <scroll> i have the default sources.list from kubuntu, but i need other sources to install other packages like wireless apps ..
[04:34] <apokryphos> scroll: like what packages?
[04:34] <jpatrick> marillat ?
[04:35] <scroll> yes
[04:35] <apokryphos> bad idea
[04:35] <sproingie> marillat bad idea for ubuntu. not made for ubuntu.
[04:35] <scroll> hum, okay :(
[04:35] <apokryphos> scroll: what *package* are you looking for?
[04:35] <apokryphos> Ubuntu repos should cover everything in those, really
[04:36] <apokryphos> presuming you have all universe/multiverse/hoary-extras/backports
[04:36] <jpatrick> what's marillat?
[04:36] <apokryphos> jpatrick: debian repository
[04:36] <scroll> mplayer, kismet wireless, and other wireless tools
[04:37] <scroll> thanks
[04:37] <apokryphos> scroll: yes, you should be able to get those
[04:37] <scroll> oki <.9
[04:37] <apokryphos> !info kismet
[04:37] <ubotu> kismet: (Wireless 802.11b monitoring tool), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 2004.04.R1-5ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 935 kB, Installed size: 2464 kB
[04:38] <jpatrick> apo : what are in the Other user repositories
[04:38] <scroll> "enlightnement" what is this, some Kde-look.org desktop ?
[04:38] <apokryphos> jpatrick: which ones?
[04:38] <apokryphos> scroll: no -- it's another desktop environment
[04:38] <jpatrick> the ones in your sources.list file
[04:38] <jpatrick> ## Other user repositories
[04:38] <apokryphos> comment out any things you don't want
[04:38] <Will__> E! is pretty nice, though complex to configure. I'm waiting for e17 to be a beautiful thing
[04:39] <apokryphos> jpatrick: oh; that originally had kdebluetooth and koffice 1.4.1 -- before Universe and stuff. They're repositories of a couple of kubuntu packagers
[04:39] <apokryphos> Will__: there's a repository with the beta
[04:39] <jpatrick> and enlightenment?
[04:40] <Will__> apokryphos: oh? got it to hand?
[04:40] <apokryphos> "Enlightenment (or "E") is a window manager for X, providing a useful, and good looking graphical shell in which to work."
[04:40] <apokryphos> Will__: yup, see above
[04:41] <apokryphos> deb http://ubuntu.nooms.de/ hoary/
[04:41] <apokryphos> gotta start using that /cmd more -- very handy ;-)
[04:42] <apokryphos> Will__: actually, there's some extra stuff you might have to do. One sec, I'll get the forum link
[04:43] <Will__> apokryphos: thanks
[04:44] <scroll> apokryphos: what packages do i need to install to have Enlightenment ?
[04:45] <apokryphos> There's these instructions http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20216&page=1&pp=40 but they never worked for me, and someone's put in a disclaimer saying as much near the end
[04:45] <apokryphos> what I did was pretty much this though: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46105 -- didn't know that existed, which is cool.
[04:46] <apokryphos> scroll: enlightenment eutils is recommended
[04:46] <apokryphos> scroll: other good ones are emodules engage entrance eclair elicit entice examine eclips
[04:49] <jpatrick> can E work on 128MB RAM?
[04:50] <apokryphos> it's more lightweight than kde/gnome by default, at least
[04:50] <Will__> I've heard people claim E works better than G/K on lower end machines
[04:50] <Will__> depends what you do with it
[04:51] <wincide> hello all, i'd like to know if exists a way of disconnect a touchpad with a key combination ...
[04:51] <jpatrick> KHotKeys
[04:54] <Rogue_Jedi_X> If I have a shared printer on a windows machine on my network, how do I add it in Kubuntu? It wants a username and password and samba's all greek to me
[04:57] <png> what do i need to install to listen mp3 files?
[04:57] <apokryphos> png: amaroK
[04:58] <apokryphos> png: sudo apt-get install amarok amarok-engines
[05:11] <png> apokryphos: ive downloaded w32 codecs. where must i put them :)
[05:11] <apokryphos> png: to play mp3s you should only need amaroK
[05:11] <apokryphos> png: and w32codecs you should get from the repositories. It'll put everything in the appropriate place
[05:12] <png> apokryphos: now i wanna play some media player files with kaffein.
[05:13] <png> so it said to me download w32 codecs. i didnt find in repositiries. i ve download it from mplayer.hu
[05:13] <apokryphos> png: ok; then add the hoary-extras repository, and then sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[05:14] <apokryphos> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[05:14] <png> k
[05:14] <png> thans
[05:14] <apokryphos> add that to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:14] <png> ~thanks
[05:15] <jpatrick> I've just come back from an E session :-/
[05:15] <Will__> come back?
[05:16] <Will__> irssi in screen, damnit
[05:16] <jpatrick> logged out
[05:16] <Will__> you make it sound like an ordeal
[05:16] <jpatrick> I think I'll stick to KDE
[05:23] <png> k3b says me "instal cdrdao to burn cds". do i need it?
[05:24] <thoreauputic> png: yes
[05:24] <png> k3b says me "instal cdrdao to burn cds". do i need it?
[05:24] <png> :D
[05:24] <png> thoreauputic: if yes. why is kubuntu coming without it
[05:25] <fromoze> png: not reallty but it can be interesting
[05:25] <png> k im installing
[05:25] <thoreauputic> png: I have no idea why it isn't a dependency, but I recommend you install it anyway
[05:26] <png> thnx thoreauputic . i did.
[05:27] <png> last question and im going my sweet home:P
[05:27] <png> what do i need to plas dvds?
[05:28] <png> ~play
[05:28] <apokryphos> !dvd
[05:28] <ubotu> I guess dvd is There are many good free players for linux. Totem is installed in Ubuntu by default add totem-xine and voila! - Mplayer, XINE, VLC (Cross platform) are also very good. gstreamer-totem
[05:30] <apokryphos> with regard to cdrdrao, that's weird; it's been default in k3b since early 0.11 times
[05:30] <apokryphos> k3b should depend on it, ideally
[05:30] <png> pai aLl
[05:32] <foodcoman> Anyone familiar with the KDE "Set Date Time automatically"???
[05:32] <foodcoman> I keep getting UTC even if I change to LosAngeles
[05:33] <nikkia> foodcoman: because /etc/localtime doesn't exist/isn't right
[05:33] <foodcoman> Ah
[05:33] <foodcoman> I tried the sudo tzconfig.
[05:33] <foodcoman> Need to edit manually?
[05:33] <nikkia> foodcoman: sudo cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/PST8PDT /etc/localtime
[05:33] <foodcoman> Gracias amigo.
[05:34] <Phantom^^> can anyone tell what the best news reader for kde is /
[05:34] <nikkia> unfortunately, tzconfig only sets up TZ= in the env
[05:34] <nikkia> which tends to get lost along the way eventually, and thus you revert back to UTC
[05:35] <nikkia> Phantom^^: depends on what kind of news you plan to read
[05:35] <Phantom^^> hehe
[05:35] <Phantom^^> umm probably the kind you want to download
[05:36] <nikkia> Phantom^^: i personally am rather partial to slrn, but its not GUI, so its not in the least bit useful for reading the porn groups
[05:36] <apokryphos> Phantom^^: KNode is a popular one; for RSS feeds -> aKregator
[05:36] <foodcoman> Seems strange you have to set in /etc/localtime and change the setting in KDE Adjust Date time timezone.
[05:36] <Phantom^^> what about RSSOwl ?
[05:36] <Phantom^^> i'm reading the unofficial ubuntu guide and it has two on it
[05:36] <Phantom^^> one is called pan
[05:37] <Phantom^^> and the other is RSSOwl
[05:37] <apokryphos> never heard of rssowl; heard of pan
[05:37] <nikkia> eww, pan
[05:37] <apokryphos> ubuntuguide is bad
[05:37] <apokryphos> and it doesn't consider kde stuff :)
[05:37] <Phantom^^> ok
[05:37] <apokryphos> (generally)
[05:37] <nikkia> Phantom^^: pan is a rather ugly, buggy, and crashy gnome newsreader :P
[05:37] <Phantom^^> ok
[05:37] <foodcoman> I guess the /etc/localtime changes for the system and KDE displays whatever its configured to show.
[05:37] <Phantom^^> so i guess
[05:37] <nikkia> foodcoman: yes
[05:37] <nikkia> foodcoman: once you've cp'ed the file, just set the kde clock back to 'system localtime'
[05:38] <Phantom^^> ok i guess i'll try KNode
[05:38] <sproingie> akregator was really crashy for me when i tried it last
[05:38] <sproingie> is knode more stable?
[05:38] <nikkia> sproingie: last time i ran knode, it wasn't very stable
[05:38] <apokryphos> the aKregator I have from repos works quite fine
[05:38] <sproingie> bah
[05:38] <nikkia> but that was a while ago
[05:38] <foodcoman> Thank you nikkia:
[05:38] <sproingie> i'm having real stability problems with a lot of kde stuff lately
[05:39] <sproingie> i finally got fed up with konversation and ditched it
[05:39] <apokryphos> KNode/aKregator are kdepim, too; so they integrate with Kontact
[05:39] <nikkia> sproingie: its a bit sad really, you'd think a 25 year old technology such as usenet would just work by now
[05:39] <apokryphos> sproingie: what was wrong with konversation?
[05:40] <apokryphos> I wonder if I got lucky. Any stability issues with KDE apps I simply haven't experienced on Kubuntu
[05:40] <sproingie> apokryphos: it gets into this mode where the input bar loses the cursor, deletes don't track the cursor location but are one off or so, and when you backspace far enough back, it crashes
[05:40] <apokryphos> :S
[05:40] <apokryphos> what version?
[05:40] <sproingie> does it every 30 minutes or so, never quite figured out what triggers it
[05:40] <sproingie> apokryphos: beats me, the one that comes with 3.4.1
[05:41] <apokryphos> sproingie: konversation --version?
[05:41] <sproingie> Konversation: 0.18 #3016
[05:41] <Phantom^^> i'm gonna try krn
[05:41] <apokryphos> Hm, yeah, same here. Never had a Konversation crash, but did have to kill it once when typing /list :|
[05:42] <sproingie> well, /list on most irc networks is suicide
[05:42] <apokryphos> I know that now ;-). Thought it was the command to display nicks in channel
[05:42] <nikkia> foodcoman: oh, and btw, don't call me 'amigo' again :P
[05:42] <sproingie> i guess konversation isn't as multithreaded as it should be
[05:42] <sproingie> it should just chew up your bandwidth, but not lock up the client
[05:43] <sproingie> well i gotta mosey off to work
[05:43] <apokryphos> I like konversation because it's always just "worked" fine for me, and isn't cpu intensive etc. The extra lil' commands are cool/handy, too
[05:43] <apokryphos> ok, see ya
[05:43] <nikkia> work? oh **(& i KNEW there was something i was supposed to do today!
[05:44] <apokryphos> No work for me till Sunday, woo
[05:44] <foodcoman> nikkia: hahah, sorry first date rule!
[05:44] <nikkia> wow, that's a new one
[05:44] <nikkia> ping has crashed my terminals
[05:44] <apokryphos> nikkia: bulldog is *that* fast? ;-)
[05:44] <nikkia> apokryphos: no, i'm having IPv6 trouble
[05:45] <apokryphos> :(
[05:45] <nikkia> apokryphos: it didn't work anymore after rebooting (i missed a couple of modules when i built my kernel...)
[05:46] <nikkia> apokryphos: i'm tempted to suspect its them tho, as i can access their servers via IPv6, and pinging the net at large makes my modem's LEDs flicker, but it doesn't seem to get routed outside of freenet6
[05:46] <Phantom^^> does anyone know of any "how to's" for linux security ?
[05:47] <apokryphos> nikkia: hmm
[05:47] <apokryphos> Phantom^^: install it? ;-)
[05:47] <nikkia> and indeed, traceroute6 reports that the packets get dumped at 2001:418:0:2000:18a
[05:47] <Phantom^^> lol
[05:48] <nikkia> hmmm, looks like verio's IPv6 backbone is failing
[05:49] <Phantom^^> does anyone know the key combo shortcut to open the konsole in kde ?
[05:50] <apokryphos> nikkia: been contemplating trying out slackware/gentoo once I have my amd64; ubuntu admittedly doesn't seem to have perfect support for them
[05:50] <apokryphos> Phantom^^: you can set one in kcontrol; I normally just alt+f2 -> konsole
[06:01] <Chousuke> apokryphos: What do you think is missing from Ubuntu on amd64 platforms? :/
[06:02] <nikkia> apokryphos: AMD64 just sounds like too much hassle if you do any desktop-ish stuff
[06:02] <nikkia> apokryphos: ie, no wine, no w32codecs, etc
[06:02] <Chousuke> well, yeah, unless you run in 32bit mode.
[06:02] <nikkia> Chousuke: well then, you're not running a AMD64 linux :)
[06:03] <Chousuke> nikkia: True.
[06:04] <Chousuke> But the benefits of 64bitness are none if you don't have more than 1 Gb of RAM.
[06:04] <apokryphos> Chousuke: generally takes them longer to bring in kde packs etc
[06:04] <apokryphos> nikkia: wine doesn't bother me; w32codecs is.. resolvable
[06:05] <Chousuke> what's that?
[06:06] <apokryphos> Chousuke: kde-edu application for touch-typing
[06:06] <Chousuke> I'm not really KDE-savvy. I'm on this channel in case someone has a more general question. :P
[06:06] <Chousuke> hmm.
[06:06] <apokryphos> last time I tried it out it didn't have any "Default Lectures".. does now, with different levels etc
[06:06] <Chousuke> Perhaps I should try installing KDE on my powerbook :D
[06:07] <apokryphos> Chousuke: you have ubuntu?
[06:07] <apokryphos> You should indeed :)
[06:07] <Chousuke> I have OS X at the moment.
[06:07] <Chousuke> but it runs KDE :P
[06:08] <apokryphos> nikkia: I figure gentoo might be good in that sense then, since not architecture biased; and compiling should, well, be fast on new setup :D
[06:08] <apokryphos> nikkia: lot of people I've spoken to said they love it a lot just because it taught them so much about Linux. Might be good for me ;-)
[06:08] <nikkia> apokryphos: feh, LFS teachs you more ;P
[06:09] <apokryphos> nikkia: I don't think I have a tenth of the knowledge to even attempt that, though :|
[06:09] <apokryphos> would be nice, sure ;-)
[06:09] <Chousuke> What would gentoo teach you?
[06:09] <nikkia> hmmm
[06:10] <Chousuke> you just emerge the packages.
[06:10] <nikkia> there seems to be a major IPv6 issue
[06:10] <nikkia> sprint's IPv6 backbone is failing too
[06:10] <Chousuke> and you learn to use compiler flags. :P
[06:10] <apokryphos> Chousuke: a lot, actually, since you have to build a lot of core stuff
[06:10] <Chousuke> apokryphos: And how does that help :/
[06:10] <nikkia> apokryphos: i found myself learning some stuff i just took for granted before, with LFS
[06:12] <Chousuke> Though if there's one thing it teaches you, that's patience.
[06:12] <_frank> Chousuke: Gentoo proves the idea that linux is only free if your time has no value
[06:12] <apokryphos> Chousuke: I don't think their claim of "compiling is always best" is true int he slightest, of course.
[06:13] <Chousuke> _frank: it doesn't prove that.
[06:13] <nikkia> apokryphos: indeed, and thats NOT AT ALL why i went with LFS
[06:13] <Chousuke> _frank: it makes that statement real.
[06:13] <Chousuke> other linux distros are a lot quicker to set up.
[06:13] <nikkia> the reason i went with LFS, was, there was no way i could get a kernel/userland setup the way i want with a managed distro
[06:14] <nikkia> slackware would have worked, as a base, but by the time i'd recompiled everything to work 'that way' i'd have been 9/10 of the way to LFS anyway
[06:14] <Chousuke> :)
[06:14] <Chousuke> so are you using a package manager?
[06:15] <Chousuke> or just make installing stuff? :P
[06:15] <nikkia> no package manager
[06:15] <Chousuke> LFS is HC. ;)
[06:16] <nikkia> i'm reluctant to say i'm even using LFS, since i veered from their instructions quite early on
[06:16] <Chousuke> oh, fook.
[06:16] <Phantom^^> nikkia i have 2 hard disks in this machine and one is not currently being used but i want to use it how do i get my linux installtion to see it and then format it into two partitions in say ex3?
[06:16] <Chousuke> There are no binary KDE packges for OS X
[06:16] <nikkia> i really just used it as a guide for bootstrapping the install, which i'd never done before
[06:16] <nikkia> Phantom^^: it should already see it
[06:17] <Phantom^^> nope
[06:17] <Phantom^^> it sees only one 80 Gb drive of two
[06:17] <apokryphos> Phantom^^: see the kudos guide in /topic
[06:17] <Phantom^^> ok
[06:17] <nikkia> OMG
[06:18] <nikkia> recent IE patches compromised
[06:18] <apokryphos> :|
[06:18] <Chousuke> huh? :o
[06:18] <Phantom^^> hahaha
[06:18] <nikkia> thankfully, it seems MS's certificate process has saved the day, as the patches won't install
[06:18] <Chousuke> MS should stop sucking.
[06:19] <apokryphos> nikkia: link?
[06:19] <nikkia> apokryphos: SANS front page
[06:20] <nikkia> i was trying to see if i could find ANY news on why IPv6 is failing across the US
[06:20] <Chousuke> You'd think windows would have become quite tough already
[06:20] <nikkia> but i can't :/
[06:20] <Chousuke> But no.
[06:20] <nikkia> wait, /me has an idea
[06:20] <Chousuke> They don't seem to run out of critical holes to patch.
[06:22] <Phantom^^> nikkia i guess i have to mount it somehow
[06:22] <nikkia> dang, the tunnel doesn't have a ttl set
[06:23] <nikkia> still dying on the 5th hop
[06:24] <nikkia> well, 5th hop on sprint, 8th on verio
[06:24] <nikkia> something is seriously dead on the ipv6 backbones
[06:26] <_frank> what is ipv6 used for at the present time?
[06:27] <nikkia> _frank, mostly by people that care about not having the mess of NAT, and its fairly widely deployed in asia
[06:28] <_frank> you can avoid NAT? I know almost nothing about ipv6... Does my ISP have to offer a ipv6 service in order to use it? what about my router?
[06:29] <nikkia> frank, if you have an IPv6 connection to the net, the address for each network card is unique and routable
[06:29] <nikkia> if your ISP doesn't offer IPv6, then your only choice is at the moment to use a tunnel broker
[06:29] <nikkia> but even that is better than plain IPv4 for some things
[06:29] <nikkia> you tend to see a lot more asian peers appear in bittorrent for example :)
[06:30] <Haffe> Hi, I want to transfer a number of files from one kubuntu machine to antoher one. What would be the easiest way to do this?
[06:30] <nikkia> haffe, personal file sharing, probably
[06:30] <_frank> nikkia, so every address is always of block of addresses (there can be other adresses behind it)?
[06:31] <nikkia> _frank, well, i request a /48 block of addresses
[06:31] <nikkia> which means i get 65536 nodes to use on my network, each of them globally visible
[06:31] <nikkia> well, 65535 probably, perhaps even 65534 :)
[06:31] <_frank> nikkia: is that equivalent to having 65536 Ipv4 adresses to yourself?
[06:31] <nikkia> erm, wait, no, more than that
[06:32] <nikkia> 2^80 addresses :)
[06:32] <Haffe> nikkia, Does that require installing additional servers?
[06:32] <nikkia> Haffe: not per se, no
[06:32] <nikkia> haffe, its an option in kcontrol, it uses webdav i think, i'm not sure
[06:32] <Haffe> Ok.
[06:34] <dragoran> hi
[06:34] <dragoran> i dont knew about konversation :)
[06:34] <nikkia> actually, i thought it was in kcontrol, but don't see it anywhere
[06:36] <Chousuke> The problem with IPv6 is that the addresses are difficult to remember :P
[06:42] <Raptoid> selamlar.
[06:45] <nikkia> Chousuke: who remembers raw addresses these days ?
[06:46] <Chousuke> Well, yeah.
[06:47] <nikkia> and since IPv6 can easily delegate reverse DNS as well as forward, that bit is easier too :P
[06:59] <Chousuke> "the Firewall also has DoS-support" :P
[07:10] <luminerd> How do I get into firefox?
[07:17] <_frank> do you have it installed?
[07:19] <_andrea> HOla
[08:07] <Eliteforce> hi
[08:07] <jpatrick> hi
[08:07] <Eliteforce> where can i get the latest kubuntu version from?
[08:07] <jpatrick> the website
[08:08] <Eliteforce> and why is there a shop? i thought its free
[08:08] <jpatrick> That's if you want to order a CD
[08:08] <jpatrick> or DVD
[08:08] <Eliteforce> but i thought ubuntu is for free
[08:09] <jpatrick> it is
[08:09] <Eliteforce> http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org/
[08:09] <Fra|way> Shipping costs. :P
[08:09] <jpatrick> Kubuntu doesn't have shipit
[08:09] <Eliteforce> "We will cover the cost of shipping the CDs to you as well"
[08:09] <Eliteforce> aha
[08:10] <jpatrick> someones got to pay
[08:10] <Eliteforce> and where can i get an install cd with the latest kde?
[08:10] <Eliteforce> 3.4.2
[08:10] <jpatrick> www.kubuntu.org
[08:10] <Eliteforce> where?
[08:11] <jpatrick> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/
[08:12] <Eliteforce> that doesnt have kde 3.4.2 i think
[08:12] <jpatrick> so download it later
[08:12] <Eliteforce> why is there no install cd with 3.4.2 ?
[08:12] <Eliteforce> just the livecd: http://www.kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php
[08:12] <jpatrick> *shrugs*
[08:13] <fromoze> there's no install cd because next release is breezy :)
[08:13] <fromoze> actual release of kubuntu is hoary, with kde 3.4 . But with updates you can get kde 3.4.2
[08:14] <jpatrick> or 3.4.1
[08:14] <fromoze> jpatrick: ++
[08:15] <jpatrick> Doesn't the live CD have an install feature?
[08:16] <fromoze> not yet
[08:16] <jpatrick> o.O
[08:16] <fromoze> I dunno if breezy live will be installer to..
[08:16] <jpatrick> i read on the forums that it did
[08:16] <Eliteforce> so if i want to install the latest kde on a pc without internet connection?
[08:17] <bjv> ok, say a friend of mine were to get mad at his xorg install..
[08:17] <bjv> and maybe apt-get remove xserver-xorg -y; apt-get install xserver-xorg -y
[08:17] <bjv> ..
[08:17] <bjv> how borked would his kubuntu config be after it finishes?
[08:17] <luminerd> HowWhat directory should I put my KDE icon theme into?
[08:18] <fromoze> Eliteforce: download the packages of the repository an put them in a cd by hand :)
[08:18] <fromoze> for example
[08:18] <jpatrick> KDE icon theme?
[08:18] <bjv> probably somewhere under ~/.kde/
[08:18] <jpatrick> you can do it from the Control Centre
[08:21] <Eliteforce> hmm
[08:21] <luminerd> jpatrick, no...
[08:21] <luminerd> jpatrick, I got one from KDE-Look
[08:21] <luminerd> jpatrick, what directory shall I put the icons in?
[08:22] <jpatrick> go to the Control Centre -> then icons
[08:22] <luminerd> so that I can use the control center thing
[08:22] <luminerd> ...dude yea but where do I put the icons I downloaded?
[08:22] <jpatrick> leave them
[08:22] <luminerd> on my desktop? no thanks...I'll sooner make /icons
[08:22] <luminerd> lol
[08:23] <jpatrick> go to the Control Centre -> Appearence and Themes -> Icons -> Install New Icon Pack
[08:23] <luminerd> jpatrick, dude, yes, I know that
[08:23] <jpatrick> so...
[08:23] <luminerd> but I have to put them somewhere!
[08:23] <jpatrick> in your home folder
[08:23] <luminerd> I'm not keeping them on my desktop forever!
[08:23] <luminerd> they have to go somwhere
[08:24] <luminerd> let me put it this way
[08:24] <jpatrick> did you unzip them?
[08:24] <luminerd> where is the crystal SVG icon theme?
[08:24] <luminerd> yea I unzipped them
[08:24] <jpatrick> well you shouldn't
[08:25] <luminerd> jpatrick, oh...
[08:25] <luminerd> well still
[08:25] <jpatrick> You should click on 'Install New Theme' then select the zip folder
[08:25] <luminerd> where do I put it?
[08:25] <luminerd> oh
[08:25] <luminerd> then it extracts it on its own and puts it there?
[08:25] <jpatrick> yes
[08:26] <luminerd> oooh
[08:26] <luminerd> ok heh
[08:26] <luminerd> sorry
[08:26] <jpatrick> ahhh
[08:26] <luminerd> lol
[08:26] <jpatrick> what icon theme was it?
[08:26] <luminerd> in that case where does it install them to?
[08:26] <luminerd> I need to change the K-Menu button...
[08:26] <luminerd> called Black and White
[08:26] <luminerd> by carpelinx
[08:27] <jpatrick> I like Crystal Clear
[08:27] <jpatrick> and Nuvola
[08:28] <jpatrick> it installs it to: /home/<yourname>/.kde/share/icons
[08:29] <bjv> (14:18:16) bjv: probably somewhere under ~/.kde/ -_-
[08:29] <luminerd> thanks jpatrick :D
[08:30] <luminerd> thanks bjv lol
[08:30] <jpatrick> :D
[08:30] <jpatrick> I just wish that Crystal Clear had a download_folder icon
[08:31] <luminerd> jpatrick, make it
[08:31] <EasterSunshine> jpatrick: make one?
[08:31] <luminerd> :D
[08:31] <jpatrick> :p
[08:32] <jpatrick> not much of an artist
[08:32] <EasterSunshine> you can like take two of the already made crystal icons, and put them together using gimp or something maybe
[08:32] <luminerd> hmm
[08:32] <luminerd> my cd won't eject
[08:32] <EasterSunshine> like a big fat green down arrow over the folder
[08:32] <luminerd> how do I force it to?
[08:33] <jpatrick> have you unmounted it?
[08:33] <EasterSunshine> limunderd: take a paper clip, unfold it, and push it into the little hole
[08:33] <luminerd> jpatrick, no, I right clicked>eject
[08:33] <EasterSunshine> oh, i thought you meant it was physially stuck or something
[08:34] <luminerd> heh
[08:34] <luminerd> jpatrick, I tried right click>unmount but it said only root could do that
[08:34] <jpatrick> what?
[08:34] <jpatrick> weird
[08:35] <EasterSunshine> then sudo unmount
[08:36] <jpatrick> sudo unmount /dev/cdrom
[08:36] <jpatrick> ?
[08:36] <luminerd> jpatrick, I need to figure out how not to have to do that
[08:37] <luminerd> it should do this automatically
[08:37] <EasterSunshine> if you can't mount/unmount cdrom without sudo, then you might consider adding an entry to your fstab
[08:38] <luminerd> EasterSunshine, one that would allow the button to work?
[08:38] <EasterSunshine> i think the button wont work if its mounted, so the button will work as long as its unmounted
[08:39] <EasterSunshine> afk
[08:39] <luminerd> How would I make my button work then?
[08:39] <luminerd> even when it's mounted?
[08:40] <jpatrick> I don't really think that's a good idea
[08:40] <luminerd> jpatrick, why?
[08:41] <bjv> ever tried ejecting a mounted floppy?
[08:41] <luminerd> umm..
[08:41] <luminerd> I don't use floppies.
[08:41] <bjv> a mounted device is added into the root filesystem
[08:42] <luminerd> ...
[08:42] <luminerd> and?
[08:42] <bjv> linux doesnt like it when entire branches fall off and disapear without warning.
[08:42] <bjv> those eject buttons are pretty much only connected to to drive, they dont send any signals to the system
[08:43] <bjv> the floppy eject is purely physical, pop. spring shoots it out.
[08:43] <luminerd> well that's lame
[08:43] <luminerd> how do big corporations work with this?
[08:43] <luminerd> I need these idiots to be able to use this system
[08:43] <luminerd> and they are used to pressing a button
[08:43] <luminerd> there better be a way.
[08:44] <bjv> im not familiar with any big corporations that let their employees pop CD's in and out.
[08:44] <luminerd> anyone with a computer uses CDs.
[08:44] <bjv> i am familiar with corporations that dont let you save File #1 to the physical drive.
[08:44] <luminerd> they need to move their files about and listen to music
[08:44] <bjv> corporation, remember?
[08:45] <bjv> no music, network for file moving.
[08:45] <luminerd> uh..
[08:45] <luminerd> what?
[08:45] <luminerd> ok maybe whoever you work for
[08:45] <luminerd> but that's not how we operate
[08:45] <luminerd> Now, I must find out how to get the drive to open.
[08:45] <luminerd> if there is no way then linux is inferior to windows.
[08:46] <bjv> im sure there is an automounting deamon that does just what you want.
[08:46] <bjv> automounters are designed to mount disks as soon as they are asked for, and disconnect them when they fall out of use.
[08:46] <hater2win> linux IS inferior to windows as it is
[08:46] <hussam> Riddell: Hi, is kpdf in KDE 3.4.2 vulnerable to this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=293428#post293428 or just kpdf in kde 3.4.0 ?
[08:47] <luminerd> bjv, disconnect them when they fall out of use?
[08:47] <luminerd> what do you mean?
[08:47] <bjv> automounters are mostly designed for use with NFS shares
[08:48] <bjv> when you stop using the drive for several seconds, it unmounts it.
[08:56] <luminerd> bjv, umm, no such luck.
[09:03] <CarmenSandiego> Is the HP OfficeJet 7400 supported under Kubuntu?
[09:03] <slicslak> CarmenSandiego, take a look at linuxprinting.org
[09:03] <slicslak> anyone here use ie6 with codeweavers wine on linux? i'm just wondering how close the page rendering is compared to the original ie6
[09:05] <CarmenSandiego> Slicslak, what about the ADF(Automatic Document Feeder)?
[09:05] <slicslak> CarmenSandiego, i don't know anyting about your specific printer, but linuxprinting.org has quite a bit of information, including user experiences etc.
[09:06] <CarmenSandiego> Okay, thank you! :)
[09:12] <cuqui> hola
[09:12] <cuqui> a todos
[09:12] <wincide> cuqui: #kubuntu-es
[09:13] <wincide> xD
[09:13] <cuqui> jiji
[09:14] <wincide> cuqui: /join #kubuntu-es
[09:17] <frank_> how I can display home directory and trash icons on desktop?
[09:20] <CarmenSandiego> How come when I print a page some of the text becomes bigger, and some of the text is cut off?
[09:31] <jjesse> do you have the wrong driver installed?
[09:33] <luminerd> how do I install a new window decorations theme?
[09:33] <luminerd> it gave me a .deb oO
[09:33] <luminerd> or do I want to get the tar.bz2?
[09:34] <_StarScream> yellow
[09:35] <luminerd> _StarScream, uh..?
[09:35] <_StarScream> i was saying hello
[09:36] <_StarScream> . The other 100 times i've been in this channel and done the same it hasn't caused any confusion, but i apologise
[09:36] <Rogue_Jedi_X> luminerd: I always get the .tar.bz2 file. If you get that I can tell you how to install it
[09:36] <luminerd> _StarScream, oh, lol sry
[09:36] <luminerd> _StarScream, I didn't notice you had just joined. I'm easily confusable.
[09:37] <luminerd> Rogue_Jedi_X, ok cool what now?
[09:39] <Rogue_Jedi_X> now you extract it
[09:39] <luminerd> ok
[09:39] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Done?
[09:39] <luminerd> yes
[09:40] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Very good. Now go to the folder where it was extracted
[09:40] <luminerd> k
[09:40] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Now type ./configure --prefix="`kde-config --prefix`"
[09:41] <luminerd> oh
[09:41] <luminerd> in a terminal you meant lol
[09:41] <luminerd> I was in konqueror
[09:41] <luminerd> np
[09:41] <luminerd> ok
[09:41] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Right, should've pointed that out, sorry
[09:41] <luminerd> np at all
[09:41] <luminerd> lol
[09:42] <luminerd> I prefer it in here
[09:42] <luminerd> reminds me of my home (slackware)
[09:42] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Never tried slack
[09:42] <Rogue_Jedi_X> But then again, I've only tried RedHat, Mandrake, Ubuntu and Kubuntu so far
[09:42] <luminerd> well I won't say anything about it here heh but if you wish to sometime you could msg me
[09:42] <luminerd> lol
[09:43] <luminerd> oh wow
[09:43] <luminerd> RedHat and Mandriva I'm not fond of
[09:43] <luminerd> anyway
[09:43] <luminerd> is that all?
[09:43] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Is it done?
[09:43] <Rogue_Jedi_X> No errors?
[09:43] <luminerd> correct
[09:43] <luminerd> oh wait!
[09:43] <luminerd> duh
[09:43] <luminerd> I'm an idiot
[09:44] <luminerd> no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[09:44] <luminerd> I thought kubuntu had gcc
[09:44] <Rogue_Jedi_X> It does, in synaptic
[09:44] <luminerd> any linux system without gcc is as useful as a rock hooked up to a monitor.
[09:44] <luminerd> synaptic?
[09:44] <Rogue_Jedi_X> The package manager
[09:44] <luminerd> nothing like symantec I hope?
[09:44] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Or kynaptic
[09:45] <luminerd> ok so what do I do?
[09:45] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Good lord, no
[09:45] <luminerd> LOL
[09:45] <Rogue_Jedi_X> no symantec here
[09:45] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Open synaptic or kynaptic and search for the gcc package
[09:45] <luminerd> is there a dif between the two?
[09:46] <luminerd> hmm I don't have gcc in kynaptic
[09:47] <Rogue_Jedi_X> One uses KDE and one uses gnome
[09:47] <Rogue_Jedi_X> And one is better
[09:47] <Rogue_Jedi_X> You don't?
[09:47] <Rogue_Jedi_X> You probably don't have the repository for it
[09:47] <luminerd> oh ok
[09:48] <luminerd> the kde one is betteR?
[09:48] <luminerd> there's no gcc listed, sure it would be under gcc?
[09:48] <luminerd> I have universe...
[09:48] <luminerd> that's all I know
[09:48] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Lemme check
[09:48] <Rogue_Jedi_X> No, the gnome one is actually better
[09:48] <luminerd> I see
[09:48] <luminerd> will it run in KDE?
[09:48] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Of course
[09:49] <luminerd> command not found
[09:49] <Rogue_Jedi_X> You don't have it if you have kubuntu
[09:49] <Rogue_Jedi_X> You got kynaptic
[09:49] <luminerd> oh lol
[09:49] <luminerd> k
[09:50] <luminerd> anyway Rogue_Jedi_X can I just aptitude gcc?
[09:50] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Probably
[09:50] <seaLne> yeah
[09:50] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I have tons of gcc packages over here
[09:50] <apokryphos> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[09:51] <luminerd> ok got it
[09:51] <luminerd> prob
[09:51] <luminerd> when I did the ./configure thing
[09:51] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I keep forgeting that one. Thanks, apokryphos
[09:51] <luminerd> it ran into error: c++ preprocessor /lib/cpp fails sanity check
[09:51] <luminerd> apokryphos, what's that?
[09:52] <luminerd> should I run that?
[09:52] <Lausi> Hallihallo
[09:52] <apokryphos> info build-essential
[09:52] <apokryphos> !info build-essential
[09:52] <ubotu> build-essential: (informational list of build-essential packages), section devel, is optional. Version: 10.1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 48 kB
[09:52] <apokryphos> Pretty much most things you'll need to compile
[09:52] <luminerd> lol
[09:53] <luminerd> essential, but optional.
[09:53] <luminerd> lol
[09:53] <chx> i have a horrible waiting time for DNS
[09:53] <luminerd> w00t
[09:53] <luminerd> it's runnin
[09:53] <apokryphos> luminerd: it's essential to building, not to running Ubuntu.
[09:53] <luminerd> ok Rogue_Jedi_X do I make, make install"?
[09:53] <chx> I have a NAT'd Win98 box and that is OK
[09:53] <luminerd> apokryphos, indeed, and building is essential to running a computer :P
[09:53] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Right
[09:53] <chx> it's something in the guts of my Kubuntu box :(
[09:54] <luminerd> wait
[09:54] <luminerd> erro
[09:54] <luminerd> again
[09:54] <apokryphos> luminerd: nope, not at all, for many.
[09:54] <luminerd> can't find x includes
[09:54] <apokryphos> luminerd: what is it you're trying to install?
[09:54] <apokryphos> libx11-dev
[09:54] <luminerd> please check your installation and add the cofrect paths
[09:54] <luminerd> should I have done as root?
[09:54] <luminerd> apokryphos, uh, a window decoration called crystal
[09:55] <apokryphos> ok
[09:55] <apokryphos> luminerd: make sure you specify the kde prefix when running configure
[09:55] <luminerd> so uh
[09:55] <luminerd> whats up with the x includes
[09:55] <luminerd> apokryphos, I did
[09:55] <apokryphos> luminerd: you will need libx11-dev; you'll also need the kde includes -- kde-devel
[09:55] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Get the package apokryphos mentioned
[09:56] <luminerd> ./configure --prefix="`kde-config --prefix`" correct?
[09:56] <luminerd> Rogue_Jedi_X, I got it
[09:56] <luminerd> the essentials?
[09:57] <luminerd> and I need libx11 and kde-devel too right?
[09:57] <Rogue_Jedi_X> libx11-dev
[09:57] <Rogue_Jedi_X> The dev part is important
[09:57] <luminerd> oh heh
[09:57] <apokryphos> luminerd: the configure is correct, though you could just --prefix=/usr -- same thing.
[09:58] <luminerd> kde-devel no existey
[09:58] <apokryphos> enable the Universe repository
[09:58] <luminerd> apokryphos, it is
[09:58] <apokryphos> !info kde-devel
[09:58] <ubotu> kde-devel: (The K Desktop Environment (development files)), section universe/kde, is extra. Version: 5:42ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 40 kB
[09:58] <luminerd> libx11-dev worked
[09:58] <apokryphos> It exists :)
[09:58] <luminerd> 40KB!???! I don't know if I have that much on my hard drive!!!
[09:59] <luminerd> jk lol
[09:59] <luminerd> couldn't find kde-devel though, apokryphos
[09:59] <apokryphos> It's a metapackage -- it brings in other things.
[09:59] <apokryphos> luminerd: you don't have Universe enabled, then.
[09:59] <luminerd> apokryphos, hmm, well I explicitely remember enabling it but tell me how anyway
[10:00] <apokryphos> uncomment the line with "Universe" in /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:00] <luminerd> it already is, apokryphos
[10:00] <apokryphos> Though it's probably best if you have all the other extra repositories too; and the ones with kde 3.4.2
[10:01] <luminerd> oh wait
[10:01] <luminerd> all 4 of them?
[10:01] <apokryphos> my sources.list for example: http://giannaros.org/sources.list
[10:01] <luminerd> I thought there were only 2
[10:01] <luminerd> so 2 are uncommented, 2 aren't
[10:01] <apokryphos> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse -- that, at least
[10:02] <jjesse> anyone else getting kicked off a lot?
[10:02] <luminerd> apokryphos, it still can't find it
[10:02] <apokryphos> luminerd: are you updating apt before you're searching?
[10:02] <luminerd> apokryphos, do I need this for something as simple as a window decor lol
[10:02] <luminerd> apokryphos, oh, no, apt-get update?
[10:03] <apokryphos> Well, this is basic stuff -- after you'll be able to install a superfluity of things very easily
[10:03] <apokryphos> and yes, you have to apt-get update after every alteration of sources.list if you want it to apply
[10:03] <luminerd> ok well
[10:03] <luminerd> ok
[10:03] <luminerd> got it
[10:03] <luminerd> sweet
[10:04] <luminerd> oh wow
[10:04] <luminerd> 2%
[10:05] <luminerd> apokryphos, so after this I won't get the error?
[10:06] <apokryphos> luminerd: what error?
[10:07] <apokryphos> libx11-dev is the X includes, so if you install that, you won't get the X includes error upon compiling
[10:07] <luminerd> apokryphos, the X error I got..1 sec
[10:07] <luminerd> oh good
[10:07] <luminerd> apokryphos, any more major packages I need? I'll be on a very slow net connection in a few minutes.
[10:08] <_StarScream> apokryphos: sorry to bug you, is "Network settings ignoring sudo" a known issue with kubuntu do you know?
[10:08] <apokryphos> There's plenty other decent apps to install, always. :)
[10:08] <apokryphos> _StarScream: not quite sure what you mean
[10:08] <luminerd> fux0rs
[10:08] <luminerd> ok problem
[10:08] <luminerd> sub process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code
[10:09] <seaLne> _StarScream: the admin functions in kcontrol don't work in older versions of kde
[10:09] <_StarScream> seaLne: as in hoary?
[10:09] <apokryphos> _StarScream: if you're talking about admin kcontrol, then you shoudl either update or kdesu kcontrol
[10:09] <seaLne> yeah try the ones in the /topic
[10:10] <luminerd> apokryphos, any ideas?/'
[10:10] <luminerd> oops
[10:10] <_StarScream> seaLne: hmm you know i didn't even realise it was kde 3.4.0...i just assumed from the "new" Kmenu icon it was 3.4
[10:10] <_StarScream> 3.4.2 rather
[10:10] <apokryphos> luminerd: what is the error?
[10:10] <luminerd> sub process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code
[10:11] <apokryphos> _StarScream: x.x.y is normally a bugfix on the x.x release
[10:11] <apokryphos> luminerd: yes, what is the error? :)
[10:11] <apokryphos> ...that it returned
[10:12] <Riddell> hussam: kpdf in 3.4.2 is not affected
[10:12] <_StarScream> apokryphos: in that case, wouldn't it make sense for 3.4.2 to be added to hoary?
[10:12] <apokryphos> _StarScream: added? Hoary has already been released
[10:12] <luminerd> apokryphos, ...that is the error
[10:13] <apokryphos> luminerd: can you pastebin the whole output?
[10:13] <luminerd> apokryphos, that's the last line
[10:13] <_StarScream> apokryphos: well "updated" i.e new packages added as an update
[10:13] <apokryphos> _StarScream: it wouldn't go into main unless it was a security issue, generally. It could rightly go into backports
[10:13] <luminerd> errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.3_all.deb
[10:14] <apokryphos> luminerd: add the 3.4.2 repository and update your kde
[10:14] <luminerd> E: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[10:14] <luminerd> apokryphos, how so?
[10:14] <luminerd> all the lines are uncommented now
[10:14] <apokryphos> luminerd: it's in /topic -- add it to sources.list, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:16] <luminerd> apokryphos, uh, which one...theres lots of urls none look like the other ones in sources.list
[10:16] <apokryphos> luminerd: maybe the part that says "KDE 3.4.2 Packages are out: http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php "
[10:16] <seaLne> deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342 hoary-updates main
[10:16] <apokryphos> go to that URL for the info
[10:17] <luminerd> thanks
[10:19] <dgibb> anyone know when the kdebindings for ruby will be packaged?
[10:19] <seaLne> they are in breezy, i don't have a hoary box to hand
[10:20] <luminerd> apokryphos, what did you mean by update my kde?
[10:20] <luminerd> my kde-devel?
[10:20] <seaLne> dgibb: libkorundum0-ruby1.8 in breezy
[10:20] <apokryphos> luminerd: no, you add the sources then sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:20] <seaLne> check in hoary for it
[10:21] <dgibb> seaLne: sweet, I'll check it out
[10:21] <luminerd> apokryphos, ok
[10:21] <_StarScream> seaLne: the 3.4.2 packages above aren't available for PPC
[10:21] <_StarScream> :(
[10:22] <seaLne> awww :(
[10:22] <seaLne> wonder why
[10:22] <dgibb> how 'unstable' is breezy anyway?
[10:22] <seaLne> is that package not in hoary?
[10:22] <luminerd> screwy
[10:22] <luminerd> it won't let me update.
[10:22] <luminerd> that sucks
[10:23] <luminerd> I gtota go
[10:23] <luminerd> bbl
[10:23] <dgibb> seaLne: nope
[10:23] <dgibb> would it work if I used that package from breezy but kept everything else with hoary?
[10:24] <seaLne> Version: 4:3.4.2-0ubuntu1
[10:24] <seaLne> Depends: libqt0-ruby1.8 (= 4:3.4.2-0ubuntu1), libc6 (>= 2.3.4-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.0-9), libruby1.8 (>= 1.8.2-9), libsmokekde1 (>= 4:3.4.2-0ubuntu1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.1)
[10:24] <seaLne> check your versions of those in hoary
[10:25] <seaLne> Korundum is really nice btw i started playing with it this morning
[10:26] <apokryphos> dgibb: pretty unstable
[10:27] <seaLne> probably not any worse than sid
[10:27] <dgibb> hmm. libqt0-ruby1.8: state: not a real package.
[10:27] <seaLne> ah thats sort of part of it aswell
[10:28] <mek> hiya people...anybody getting an Saitek x45 joystick to work with the 2.6 kernel?????
[10:29] <dgibb> Seveas: do you think the easiest way to get going is just to upgrade to breezy?
[10:29] <seaLne> could cause you alot of problems
[10:29] <dgibb> s/Seveas/seaLne
[10:29] <dgibb> sealne: that's not what I wanted to hear... ;(
[10:29] <seaLne> apart from libkorundum0-ruby1.8 and libqt0-ruby1.8 are the others there?
[10:33] <dgibb> libc6: 2.3.2 libgcc1:1:4.0.0pre6 libruby1.8:1.8.1 libsmokekde:3.4.0 libstdc++6:4.0.0
[10:34] <dgibb> so, no
[10:34] <dgibb> or yes, but need upgrading
[10:34] <Phantom^^> whats better parted or fdisk ?
[10:34] <seaLne> i like fdisk but it depends what you are used to
[10:35] <Phantom^^> hmm right now i need to find the mount point of all my other drives are
[10:35] <Phantom^^> and mount this one
[10:36] <seaLne> do they not show up in media:/
[10:36] <Phantom^^> yeah it does
[10:36] <Phantom^^> i jsut tried
[10:37] <Phantom^^> i think i need to make an entry in fstab
[10:37] <Phantom^^> cos it says that one does not exist
[10:38] <Phantom^^> does it matter where i put a mount point ?
[10:38] <dgibb> sealne: so what would you recommend as the best way to start playing with ruby+kde?
[10:39] <seaLne> have you looked at the tutorials?
[10:39] <seaLne> bottom of http://developer.kde.org/language-bindings/ruby/index.html which is also worth reading
[10:40] <dgibb> sealne: sorry, which tutorials?
[10:40] <seaLne> bottom of http://developer.kde.org/language-bindings/ruby/index.html which is also worth reading
[10:42] <dgibb> sealne: so you're saying I should build from source
[10:43] <seaLne> no just suggesting you read the tutorials if you want to learn more about korundum
[10:43] <seaLne> i'm going to avoid recomending either upgrading to breezy or compiling from source in case you blaim me if it dosen't work :)
[10:44] <seaLne> it kind of depends what all you us the machine for
[10:44] <dgibb> sealne: I love ruby and love kde, so I have no doubt that I want korundrum. I'm just wondering whether building from source, upgrading my full system, or partially upgrading would be best
[10:45] <dgibb> you know, regular: music, movies, email, and programming
[10:45] <dgibb> sealne: I used to use debian sid, if that tells you anything
[10:45] <seaLne> if you don't mind the od problem you should probably find breezy ok and you get to help sort out bugs before everyone else starts using it
[10:45] <seaLne> dgibb: then probably fine
[10:46] <seaLne> just hard to tell what level people are at in here :)
[10:46] <dgibb> I'll give it a shot then. thanks for your time ;)
[10:47] <seaLne> i had to manually add hal to some groups during the upgrade
[10:47] <dgibb> add hal?
[10:47] <seaLne> the user hal
[10:47] <dgibb> ah ;)
[10:48] <dgibb> which groups?
[10:49] <dgibb> if you remember...
[10:49] <seaLne> cdrom and floppy but see if it complains first
[10:49] <dgibb> k
[10:49] <seaLne> i just replaced all "hoary" with "breezy" in /etc/apt/sources.list and di an apt-get update&&apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:50] <seaLne> fair amount to install depending on your connection speed
[10:51] <dgibb> is the dist-upgrade necessary? I was thinking of just trying to install korundum, and let it sort out the dependencies
[10:51] <seaLne> maybe that will work *shrug* :)
[10:53] <dgibb> wow: 67 packages upgraded, 90 newly installed, 388 to remove, and 553 not upgraded
[10:53] <dgibb> maybe i should dist-upgrade
[10:55] <dgibb> anyway, thanks for your help
[10:56] <seaLne> good luck
[11:06] <zakili> hi to all
[11:18] <Phantom^^> hey guys if i wanted to copy a directroy and all its sub folders and files from one directory to another, which i need root privaledges to be able to do, how do i do it ?
[11:18] <brk3> Phantom^^: dont see why youd need root unless the folder is owned by root
[11:20] <Phantom^^> yesh i intalled a new drive formatted it partitioned it etc ... and now i need root acces to be able to use it
[11:20] <nmorse> Then your /etc/fstab entry might be wrong.
[11:20] <Phantom^^> ahh ok
[11:20] <Phantom^^> ill get rid of all the options
[11:20] <nmorse> Add user to the list of options
[11:20] <Phantom^^> what like defualt,user ...
[11:20] <nmorse> Yeah.
[11:20] <EasterSunshine> user=you, group=your_group, umask = 022
[11:21] <nmorse> Though that may imply noexec
[11:22] <Phantom^^> ok well lets jsut say if i delete all the options
[11:22] <Phantom^^> and leave it black
[11:22] <Phantom^^> will i have access then ?
[11:22] <nmorse> No.
[11:22] <nmorse> You'll need the user option for sure.
[11:22] <Phantom^^> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
[11:22] <Phantom^^> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
[11:22] <Phantom^^> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" />
[11:22] <nmorse> I think he pasted the wrong thing.
[11:22] <nmorse> Dadgum Klipper.
[11:22] <Phantom^^> <meta name="Generator" content="Kate, the KDE Advanced Text Editor" />
[11:23] <Phantom^^> defaults,errors=remount-ro </pre></body>
[11:23] <Phantom^^> eek
[11:23] <nmorse> Use pastebin.
[11:23] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Is there a good WYSIWYG webpage designer for Linux? Besides Mozilla composer?
[11:23] <nmorse> Pastebin.ca is the site you'll need.
[11:23] <nmorse> Nvu?
[11:23] <nmorse> No wait, that's a standalone Mozilla Composer.
[11:23] <Phantom^^> am i still alive ?
[11:24] <nmorse> Quanta Plus has a visual mode.
[11:24] <nmorse> Yes, Phantom^^
[11:24] <Phantom^^> might not be for long im gonna try this again
[11:24] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I think I actually have Q+. Lemme check
[11:24] <nmorse> Use pastebin.ca
[11:24] <Phantom^^> defaults,errors=remount-ro
[11:24] <Phantom^^> phew
[11:24] <Phantom^^> ok
[11:24] <nmorse> Add user to that list.
[11:24] <Phantom^^> thats whats under options
[11:24] <nmorse> Add user to options. That'll let you mount it as non-root.
[11:24] <Phantom^^> ok
[11:25] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Whoa o_O
[11:25] <Phantom^^> ok i guess ill umount in
[11:25] <Phantom^^> whats the command to unmount
[11:25] <Rogue_Jedi_X> This Quanta Plus is gonna take some getting used to. Look at all those buttons!
[11:25] <nmorse> umount.
[11:25] <Phantom^^> ok
[11:25] <nmorse> Rogue_Jedi_X: It's very powerful. I use it myself.
[11:26] <nmorse> Once you read the documentation or just play around with it, you'll figure out what you need though.
[11:26] <seth_k> Q+ owns
[11:26] <Phantom^^> hmm seems like its buisy guess ill have to reboot
[11:26] <Phantom^^> brb
[11:26] <seth_k> although I can't get it to open new documents in the same window, even passing the correct parameter. It opens a new instance for each document I click
[11:26] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Cool
[11:27] <nmorse> Hmm, anyone know any good Neverwinter Nights mods for epic characters?
[11:27] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Now all I need is to learn how to make a decent drawing in Gimp and master Q+
[11:27] <nmorse> I hate the GIMP.
[11:27] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Piece of cake x_x
[11:28] <nmorse> It does everything I need, but its interface is actrocious.
[11:28] <nmorse> Except CMYK.
[11:28] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I just hate how it opens so many windows
[11:28] <nmorse> No one has good CMYK on Linux but the Scribus people.
[11:28] <nmorse> Krita should have CMYK next release hopefully, though.
[11:29] <nmorse> Rogue_Jedi_X: Try Krita. It's like sanitized photoshop, really easy to use.
[11:29] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Is it in synaptic?
[11:29] <nmorse> It's part of KOffice 1.4
[11:29] <Rogue_Jedi_X> or do I need to add an extra repository
[11:29] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Oh, nice
[11:29] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I've been thinking of ditching Oo.o anyway
[11:30] <nmorse> I don't really like KWord that much.
[11:31] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I just don't use that much office applications myself
[11:32] <seth_k> I'm an OO.o fan, it may be slow but it's not like you have to relaunch it that much
[11:33] <Rogue_Jedi_X> What's going to be new in Oo.o2?
[11:37] <Phantom^^> hmmm
[11:38] <Phantom^^> this is what is there now "/dev/hdb1 /new ext3 defaults,user 0 1" and i still can't get access as a user :(
[11:41] <nmorse> Hmm.
[11:41] <nmorse> Why is it 0 1 ?
[11:41] <nmorse> Isn't it normally 0 0?
[11:42] <Phantom^^> what do the numbers mean ? i copied the info from my first main partition that kubuntu setup
[11:42] <nmorse> Hmm.
[11:42] <nmorse> I don't really know what they man as 'man /etc/fstab' displays my fstab file.
[11:43] <nmorse> Another bit of useful documentation on the part of the GNU project.
[11:43] <Phantom^^> hehe
[11:43] <seth_k> 0 1 is right
[11:43] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Is the command line for running Krita, krita or is it something else?
[11:43] <seth_k> the 1 bit is auto-fsck
[11:43] <seth_k> man fstab
[11:43] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Because I don't think I got it
[11:44] <nmorse> What version of KOffice do you have?
[11:44] <nmorse> The default with Kubuntu is 1.3.5, you have to look at the listing for 1.4.1 in the topic.
[11:44] <Rogue_Jedi_X> 1.3.5
[11:44] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Ah
[11:44] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Thanks
[11:44] <Phantom^^> will something require root access if it is mounted from the root directory ?
[11:45] <nmorse> Phantom^^: I usually just tell it to automount the drive as something like /bak
[11:46] <nmorse> If the permissions on the files inside are fine it normally works for me.
[11:46] <nmorse> Anyway, time for me to go.
[11:51] <McScruff> lo, i get a NSIS error, "Error Writing temperary File. Make sure tour yemp folder is valid" when i try to run something in wine
[12:02] <George> Phantom^^: so you're harrassing them in here?
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2005-08-15-#kubuntu-devel
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[03:48] <lexhider> have the konqueror menus been changed by a kubuntu patch?
[03:54] <lexhider> ok, seems to be kubuntu-default-settings
[01:14] <tvo> Riddell: http://johanneswilm.isasecret.com/TC1000/0032-fix_rotated_randr.diff
[02:05] <Riddell> tvo: thanks :)
[02:05] <tvo> Riddell: is it going in? :p
[02:06] <[tvo] > i'm testing compiling qt with that patch now actually, to test it..
[02:08] <Riddell> tvo: where did you get it from, why do you need it?
[02:09] <[tvo] > I need it to be able to use xrandr (or kde's gui for it) to rotate my screen
[02:09] <[tvo] > you can rotate my tft to portrait view
[02:09] <[tvo] > but kde doesn't adapt
[02:10] <[tvo] > ie. the bottom of the desktop is like on the middle of my screen in portrait view :)
[02:10] <[tvo] > and there's a invisible piece of desktop
[02:11] <tvo> got it from: http://johanneswilm.isasecret.com/TC1000/
[02:12] <tvo> "HOWTO: Gentoo GNU/Linux on Compaq TC1000"
[02:13] <tvo> btw [tvo] == me on KDE 3.4.9
[02:17] <Riddell> tvo: the patch in qt-copy is quite different http://websvn.kde.org/branches/qt/3.3/qt-copy/patches/0032-fix_rotated_randr.diff?rev=439328&view=log
[02:20] <tvo> Riddell: hmm, didn't see that one..
[02:21] <pef> hello
[02:21] <Riddell> "The old qt-copy patch #0032 was wrong" maybe yours is the old one
[02:21] <Riddell> tvo: could you test both
[02:21] <pef> can I use kdesu in the command entry in debian/menu ?
[02:21] <Riddell> pef: don't see why not (and I presume they don't have a better way to call it)
[02:22] <tvo> Riddell: yep, I'm building with this Gentoo patch now, in % it won't take much time to test the other patch too :)
[02:22] <pef> Riddell: ok, thanks :)
[02:23] <Riddell> pef: but not in .desktop files
[02:24] <pef> Riddell: mm, why ?
[02:24] <Riddell> use X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true
[02:25] <pef> I will take a look to how ethereal does :)
[02:26] <Riddell> it uses both X-KDE-SubstituteUID and gksu, weird
[02:27] <pef> Riddell: and no *su in .desktop, should I correct it ?
[02:28] <Riddell> pef: what's in there at the momenty
[02:28] <Riddell> ?
[02:28] <pef> Riddell: /usr/bin/ethereal
[02:28] <Riddell> well it works so don't correct it
[02:29] <pef> Riddell: launching it from debian menu entry makes ethereal less usefull :/ (and gives error when trying to sniff)
[02:30] <Riddell> weird, etherreal has two .desktop files, both with X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true but only 1 with gksu
[02:32] <pef> Riddell: gtksu and X-KDESubsituteUID are in conflicts, no ? it only needs X-KDE.. no ?
[02:33] <Riddell> for KDE yes
[02:33] <pef> Riddell: no way to be gnome/kde compatible ?
[02:43] <Riddell> pef: doesn't seem to be any nice way to be. you may need two .desktop files one using X-KDE-SubstituteUID and OnlyShowIn=KDE and one using gksu and don't show in KDE
[02:44] <pef> ugly :/
[02:45] <Riddell> yes
[03:37] <author> moin
[04:05] <tvo> Riddell: should I release the new kio-locate version before 11th?
[04:05] <tvo> or does it not matter
[04:06] <Riddell> tvo: what's the disadvantage in that?
[04:06] <tvo> Riddell: that I should start packaging really soon :)
[04:07] <tvo> maybe without all intended bugfixes
[04:08] <tvo> Riddell: if it doesn't matter, it seems better to me to wait until I fixed the docs
[04:09] <Riddell> tvo: I need to ask mdz about moving that stuff to main, unless it's in main it doesn't really matter
[04:09] <tvo> Riddell: ok, thanks
[04:09] <tvo> Riddell: what about the modifications to about:konqueror?
[04:10] <tvo> they'll need to be in konqueror's package
[04:10] <Riddell> kdebase updates are waiting on xmkmf existing again
[04:11] <Riddell> tvo: what modification did you make? got a screenshot?
[04:12] <tvo> Riddell: not yet, I'm more or less create a plan for what I'm going to change in which functions using which api etc.
[04:12] <tvo> I did not yet actually modify something..
[05:01] <Riddell> kubuntuforums.net gosh
[06:05] <pef> Riddell: ping
[06:08] <Riddell> pef: hi
[06:08] <Riddell> tvo: any luck getting qt compiled?
[06:09] <pef> Riddell: hi, can you help me with a little packaging problem ?
[06:09] <Riddell> pef: I can try
[06:10] <venda> Riddell: http://lnix.net/~froud//deb/kubuntu-docs_5.10-0.4_all.deb + src in same folder
[06:10] <pef> Riddell: I use cdbs to package a kde apps, and I can't get rid off config.{sub,guess} from my diff.gz (dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa)
[06:10] <pef> i have them in $CURDIR and $CURDIR/admin
[06:12] <Riddell> pef: that's something MOTU have been discussing, I think cdbs should do clever things to save and restore those files though
[06:12] <Riddell> pef: but you can just add rm -f config.sub config.guess to the rules file
[06:13] <pef> Riddell: I've tried this, using clean:: and cleanbuildir:: tragets, but I always have theses files in the .diff file :/
[06:15] <pef> Riddell: http://rafb.net/paste/results/n78SQR78.html am I wrong somewhere ?
[06:15] <Riddell> pef: have you tried it in a straight clean rule? clean:: not clean/kvpnc::
[06:16] <allee> pef: the clean:: targe deletes the files properly but before the diff is done they are recreated.
[06:16] <pef> allee: that's funny :D
[06:16] <pef> ohh
[06:16] <allee> pef: Hack: remove them for the diff and unpack a fresh source. At the first build the diff is not poluted :)
[06:17] <pef> i've found the source of the problem
[06:17] <pef> I'm not packaging a fresh apps, but correcting an already packaged one
[06:17] <pef> so in the .orig.tar.gz file theses files exists
[06:17] <allee> there a bug in b.d.o and a patch. (this one is used in KDE 'private' cdbs)
[06:18] <allee> pef: orig.tar? Hah! unpack, remove garbage and rebuild orig.tar!
[06:18] <pef> allee: must I mention this to readme.debian ?
[06:19] <allee> I would add it to changelog. but orig.tar is not holy ;) But it never hurts to add a reminder for yourself to changelog
[06:21] <allee> when I want to check if someone working on a ubuntu deb: check sid, check wnpp, check breezy, check REVU and then <what else>?
[06:22] <pef> itp ?
[06:22] <pef> check the homepage of the apps for home made packages ?
[06:27] <allee> pef: a home page, silly me. Too obvious. thx
[06:28] <pef> it's ok for the config.{config,guess} files , thank you guys !
[06:28] <Riddell> pef: how did you fix it?
[06:28] <pef> Riddell: deleted from the orig.tar.gz file, and added an rm -f to clean:: on debian/rules
[06:29] <Riddell> hmm, deleteing those from .orig might not get past dholbach
[06:29] <allee> try a second build and check diff (me, nervous, was there a fix in the meantime)
[06:31] <pef> configure: error: cannot run /bin/sh /mnt/stockage/dev/kubuntu/kvpnc/kvpnc-0.7.2/./admin/config.sub
[06:31] <pef> eheh
[06:31] <tvo> Riddell: yes, Qt+arts are done, now recompiling kdelibs+kdebase, ETA approx. 22:00 UTC+0200
[06:33] <allee> mv admin/config.guess.cdbs-orig admin/config.guess in tar file (ditto for .sub)
[06:33] <pef> tomorrow, new packages for universe are still accepted ?
[06:33] <Riddell> pef: yes
[06:36] <pef> allee: I'm not sure to fully understand
[06:40] <allee> oh, oh! Isn't your problem that there are config.*.cdbs-orig and config.* files in diff (or tar) ??
[06:42] <pef> allee: I have config.{guess,sub} files in the .orig.tar.gz file, and I have them in my diff.gz ;)
[06:43] <allee> no *.cdbs-orig? Argl, then forget what I told you *shame on me*
[06:43] <allee> pef: sorry
[06:44] <pef> in the diff.gz I have the differences between the config.{guess,sub} files from the orig.tar.gz file and auto-generated files during the compilation
[06:44] <pef> allee: no problem
[06:46] <pef> mm
[06:46] <pef> I don't have them now :?
[06:52] <pef> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=335
[06:53] <allee> pef: pkging kvpnc? Great! WISH-TODO--
[06:54] <pef> allee: yep :) I'm just no sure about the Depends: and Suggest: for this package
[07:01] <allee> Have not played with it enough to help you here. Btw. s/vpn/VPN/ in description and use ..'VPN (virtual private network)' when first mentioned? If freeswan is only linux 2.4 and ubuntu has only 2.6?
[07:01] <allee> pef: menu s|/usr/bin||g
[07:05] <pef> allee: FreeSWan is no longer maintained :/
[07:07] <pef> allee: should I leave this and add (unmaintained) or wipe the freeswan part ?
[07:07] <allee> desktop file: mv instead of dh_install + rm and rmdir applnk/Internet and applnk dirs
[07:08] <allee> freeswan in in breezy universe so mention (unmaintained) is the better choice.
[07:10] <allee> pef: why do you use debian native layout and not orig.tar + diff? After all it's at least no kubuntu-native tarball ;)
[07:11] <pef> allee: easier to submit/review using revu ?
[07:13] <allee> really? I like to look at diffs and (interdiffs)
[07:13] <allee> pef: of course do whatever fits 'you' best
[07:14] <pef> :)
[07:31] <pef> allee: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=338 I hope I haven't missed one of your precious advices :)
[07:40] <allee> pef: s/precious advices/nit picking/
[07:41] <pef> that's how a package becomes really good
[07:45] <allee> pef: move unmaintained to freeswan (not linux 2.4 ;), s/vpn/VPN in short description too
[07:46] <allee> pef: changelog: mention why you did it. What you did is a matter of interdiff, but the why is the thing that get lost easily
[07:47] <pef> allee: why I made all theses changes ?
[07:49] <allee> pef: no all: but, e.g, why did you replace '|' with , in Suggests, why you use optional instead of extra
[07:49] <pef> ok, so _every_ change
[07:51] <allee> no, no need to explain, e.g., why you added manpage :) but maybe related the docbook2x and manpage (manpage don't need docbook2x but the original docbook version needs it)
[07:55] <allee> pef: just thoughts from own experience. Not necessary applicaple to others
[07:57] <allee> pef did you do a grep --recursive -i copyright?
[07:59] <allee> desktop: No Categories enties, s/Comment/GenericName/
[08:01] <allee> pef: X-KDESubstituteUID? kdesu is used. Puzzeled
[08:01] <pef> allee: I'm fixing this (forget during the action)
[08:01] <pef> allee: can I use echo "foo" >> file in debian/rules ?
[08:02] <allee> pef: no, not idempotent. Either clone+edit the desktop file or create a patch.
[08:03] <pef> ok, it's in my TODO list for tomorow morning :) I really have to go
[08:03] <allee> pef: Thx for your work!
[08:03] <pef> thanks for your help !
[08:04] <pef> bye !
[08:04] <allee> bye pef
[09:35] <jpatrick> I would like to volunteer to help Kubuntu. :)
[09:35] <allee> Riddell: noone working on wlassistant already? Will it replace (ugly IMHO) kwifimanager?
[09:37] <jpatrick> there a .deb package for wlassistant
[09:38] <allee> The knoppix ones from http://wlassistant.sourceforge.net/? Or are there others? Do you know how to get hands on deb sources?
[09:38] <allee> jpatrick hi!
[09:38] <jpatrick> It does not work here
[09:38] <jpatrick> allee hi!
[09:39] <jpatrick> it's says wlassistant: command not found
[09:39] <allee> Stan Vasilyev
[09:39] <allee> I've downloaded and extracted changelog and asked to
[09:39] <allee> Stan Vasilyev
[09:41] <allee> jpatrick: isn't it in /usr/bin/?
[09:42] <jpatrick> it is
[10:02] <jpatrick> so where do I start?
[10:03] <allee> what are you interests? Pkging, doc, bug-fixing, ...?
[10:03] <jpatrick> I know a bit of C++, I think doc will do for now
[10:03] <jpatrick> maybe pkging if I knew how
[10:05] <allee> uniq_: ping? jpatrick in interested in doc
[10:06] <allee> jpatrick: pkging: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPackagingGuide, check existing apps, ask on #ubuntu-motu, kde specific stuff here ...
[10:07] <jpatrick> ok
[10:07] <allee> jpatrick: welcome on board
[10:08] <jpatrick> thanks
[10:08] <jpatrick> So - I have thank a program and put it into a deb package?
[10:13] <allee> jpatrick: you need a tar ball tostart or easier an already existing deb pkg that you adapt for ubuntu
[10:14] <jpatrick> ok
[10:15] <jpatrick> I'm looking though the suggested packages
[10:16] <Riddell> (it already has packaging)
[10:18] <jpatrick> what about kConfigure?
[10:19] <Riddell> jpatrick: what's that?
[10:20] <jpatrick> 'Kconfigure simplifies compiling and installing software by providing a graphical interface.'
[10:20] <Riddell> if you find it useful then yes :)
[10:22] <allee> icecream does not interest me enough. My kde packages are small enough for one cpu and a cup of tee ;)
[10:23] <Riddell> it becomes at lot more useful at akademy conferenes :)
[10:23] <Riddell> unsermake -p -j 50 is fun
[10:24] <allee> he, he!
[10:27] <jpatrick> I like icecream
[10:43] <tvo> Riddell: Qt Gentoo xrandr patch works fine here, now to test the simple patch..
[10:44] <Riddell> tvo: well done :)
[10:45] <Riddell> anyone want to make packages of 3.5 alpha?
[10:47] <jpatrick> I'm considering making one of the suggested icon theme
[10:47] <jpatrick> -s*
[10:48] <jpatrick> start off small :)
[10:49] <Riddell> which one?
[10:50] <jpatrick> Amaranth Altheae
[10:52] <jpatrick> just to start off
[10:53] <tvo> Riddell: did you read my fwd mail from slocate author?
[10:56] <Riddell> tvo: yes, not sure what to make of it
[10:56] <tvo> Riddell: he has pretty good arguments against it
[10:57] <tvo> I understood other people had requested/offered other solution, like a ultra fast update algo which only considers changes and doesn't make a database from scratch each time
[10:58] <tvo> IMO that solution wouldn't solve a thing. It would just reduce time it takes to run updatedb
[10:59] <Riddell> yes, that's what it sounds like
[11:04] <tvo> he has like 2 points:
[11:04] <tvo> 1) it's a daemon, if it's killed db is inconsistent
[11:04] <tvo> 2) need to batch changes for performance reasons
[11:05] <tvo> I had already thought of first part of 1) and 2), just not of db inconsistency
[11:05] <tvo> could be solved by still creating a fresh db every day/week
[11:07] <allee> Riddell: wlassistant is nice. Unfortunately there are no translations :( Rosetta? bug upstrean to think about kde-extragear? Forget it for breezy?
[11:09] <Riddell> allee: many other programmes have minimal translations
[11:10] <Riddell> tvo: for 2) you just make sure you update only max every 60 seconds or so
[11:10] <Riddell> for 1) get a better database :)
[11:11] <tvo> yeah it shouldn't die of course :)
[11:11] <allee> 'k Well, I can (have to) do at least a german trans otherwise my familie kicks me. I'll see wath the knoppix pkger answer and if there's some spare time othr weekend.
[11:11] <tvo> anyway, algorithmic it's a pretty tough job, certainly if it's to be done in plain C, like slocate
[11:15] <tvo> I think I could do it but I don't think I can guarantee a working product by 1st of september..
[11:16] <Riddell> it also have nothing to do with the origional KubuntuFileSearch :)
[11:16] <Riddell> but if you think there's a good chance of having something working at some point and you'd find it fun then go ahead
[11:17] <Riddell> have you looked at inotify APIs and stuff?
[11:18] <tvo> Riddell: yeah, but just a quick glance. Maybe I should try to get an inotify enabled kernel and play a bit with inotify first
[11:19] <Riddell> that would be the way to start
[11:19] <Riddell> by the way I'm away next week
[11:19] <tvo> it is kinda like the sort of interesting project which I may continue in my spare time when uni starts
[11:20] <tvo> ah ok, good to know, next week starts at monday? :)
[11:22] <Riddell> yes, away from monday
[11:47] <jpatrick> anyone know what the file extension for pascal?
[11:47] <jpatrick> sorry found it: .pp
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2005-08-24-#ubuntu-meeting
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[12:06] <ogra> JaneW, i'm still testing different guesses i have... so its likely that i solve it before Kamion comes back
[12:06] <JaneW> ogra: ok
[12:07] <ogra> for the desktop task there are still some man inclusion reports pending, but it gets into shape...
[12:07] <JaneW> ogra: how serious is this, and is it effecting our timeline badly?
[12:07] <ogra> s/man/main
[12:07] <ogra> JaneW, we'll solve it before preview
[12:07] <JaneW> ogra: is Corey still helping with the reports?
[12:07] <ogra> nope
[12:07] <JaneW> :(
[12:07] <ogra> i did them myself...
[12:07] <ogra> they are done
[12:07] <JaneW> do you need a new helper?
[12:07] <ogra> nope
[12:08] <JaneW> and do we have any volunteers?
[12:08] <ogra> all are done, only pending for pitti reviews
[12:08] <JaneW> ok
[12:08] <ogra> some packeges need work, thats what i'm on currently
[12:08] <JaneW> ok
[12:09] <ogra> nvu is updated to the current version, needs some changes still, but will be ok for inclusion soon...
[12:09] <JaneW> mdz asked that I make a call fro more LTSP testers
[12:09] <ogra> JaneW, thats what i made with my maiul today
[12:09] <ogra> mail
[12:09] <JaneW> nod
[12:10] <ogra> mhz already tests, jelkner apparently too
[12:10] <JaneW> there's a page http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspBreezyTest
[12:10] <ogra> hmm
[12:10] <JaneW> Jim McQuillan calling for testing
[12:11] <ogra> JaneW, they should also see the http://edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting page
[12:11] <JaneW> ogra: is that exactly the same as the edubuntu LTSP testing or not?
[12:11] <ogra> since it uses the current CD we have
[12:11] <JaneW> ok
[12:12] <ogra> the more it improves, the less manual work will be needed... i'll build a edubuntu-config package that makes the dhcp part easier
[12:12] <JaneW> ogra: what progress do you expect to mkake in the next week or so?
[12:12] <ogra> but in the end we'll have it all automatic, excep you'll need to select the network adresses
[12:13] <ogra> finishing the last tasks for edubuntu-server, starting edubuntu-config
[12:13] <ogra> (desktop is nearly done)
[12:13] <JaneW> ogra: DHCP should do that for you...no? Or do you need to give an initial range?
[12:14] <ogra> you'll have to give the range
[12:14] <ogra> thats what the -config package will be for
[12:14] <ogra> + restarting all the needed services...
[12:15] <ogra> for installing edubuntu in the end you will need to:
[12:15] <ogra> create the initial admin user
[12:15] <ogra> give the dhcp range
[12:15] <ogra> ...
[12:15] <ogra> thats all
[12:16] <JaneW> cool
[12:16] <JaneW> even I could do that ;)
[12:16] <ogra> yep, thanks to mdfz :)
[12:16] <ogra> mdz
[12:16] <ogra> even
[12:16] <JaneW> freudian slip there?
[12:16] <ogra> without his perparation this wouldnt be possible
[12:17] <JaneW> nod
[12:17] <jelkner> ok, it is asking all about postfix configuration... not good
[12:17] <JaneW> ogra: done?
[12:18] <ogra> jelkner, that will be presseded for local transport only
[12:18] <JaneW> ogra: is there anything else you want to mention wrt to testing?
[12:18] <jelkner> ogra: we won't even have to think about this later, yes?
[12:18] <ogra> nope, i'd like to see some feedback to my mail
[12:18] <jelkner> ??
[12:19] <ogra> jelkner, exactly, except you want to use this machine as mailserver, then you run dpkg-reconfigure
[12:19] <jelkner> i thought we were aiming at k12-ltsp ease of use
[12:19] <JaneW> ogra: well 180 ppl on the list now - hopefully some of those will test and respond!
[12:19] <lamont> why does it even have an MTA?
[12:20] <jelkner> sure, but easy things should be easy, and complex things should be possible. if someone *wants* a mail server, we can assume much more about their unix skills
[12:20] <JaneW> hi lamont
[12:20] <ogra> lamont, i dont know, it comes from the normal desktop task
[12:20] <lamont> hi JaneW
[12:20] <jelkner> newbies should not even know it's an option
[12:20] <ogra> jelkner, exactly
[12:20] <lamont> ubuntu desktop dropped postfix for breezy, I thought
[12:21] <ogra> jelkner, thats why i'll use local transport for preseeding
[12:21] <ogra> jelkner, so you'll only have to think about mail transport if you really want to ues it as mailserver
[12:22] <ogra> lamont, not yet it seems
[12:22] <ogra> lamont, i use the ubuntu desktop seed as base, its still having a mailserver
[12:23] <BrandonWeeks> Hello
[12:23] <ogra> so either that gets dropped later or we'll keep it
[12:23] <ogra> hi BrandonWeeks
[12:23] <BrandonWeeks> HAs the meeting started?
[12:24] <ogra> yup
[12:24] <BrandonWeeks> Thanks
[12:24] <JaneW> BrandonWeeks: 24 mins ago - but welcome
[12:24] <JaneW> BrandonWeeks: you been testing? :)
[12:25] <BrandonWeeks> No I'm setting up my old box for testing now.
[12:25] <JaneW> great
[12:25] <ogra> yeah
[12:27] <ogra> JaneW, i followed the doctem meeting before... they didnt mention edubuntu.. and i still dont see any artwork improvementd
[12:27] <ogra> s/d/s
[12:28] <ogra> is there any feedback ?
[12:28] <JaneW> damn, I was going to ask about doc team
[12:29] <JaneW> I know jsgotangco is feeling a little frustrated
[12:29] <JaneW> he's been focusing on the cookbook, but can't revise it for us until we have something
[12:29] <ogra> they concentrate on kubuntu and ubuntu it seems... but kubuntu was mentioned even more
[12:29] <JaneW> I think he has gone back to his other docs for a bit
[12:30] <BrandonWeeks> Does anybody have the link to the daily builds, I cant find the link in the wiki anymore?
[12:30] <ogra> as far as i followed the meeting this afternoon
[12:30] <jelkner> question: if i get this to work, can i rely on apt-get upgrade to get me all the way to the final release?
[12:30] <ogra> BrandonWeeks, http://edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting
[12:30] <BrandonWeeks> Thank you
[12:30] <ogra> jelkner, yes, yu should :)
[12:30] <jelkner> great!
[12:30] <jelkner> so i can start adding students for the fall, etc
[12:31] <ogra> jelkner, i think so, yes
[12:31] <jelkner> ogra: i understand there are no guarentees, but at least that's the plan ;-)
[12:31] <ogra> jelkner, only -desktop and -server seed will change a bit.. but no essential stuff
[12:32] <ogra> i.e. gcompris waits for inclusion in the desktop seed and moodle/mediawiki for the server
[12:32] <ogra> but that wont kill/change your added students...
[12:33] <ogra> jelkner, see the commented stuff on: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-breezy/desktop
[12:33] <BrandonWeeks> For testing I can run the desktop and server on the same box correct?
[12:33] <ogra> and
[12:33] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-breezy/server
[12:33] <ogra> BrandonWeeks, yes
[12:34] <BrandonWeeks> Thank you
[12:34] <JaneW> ogra: the artwork you mentioned what do you mean?
[12:34] <ogra> BrandonWeeks, but currently the X autoconfiguration seems broken, follow the testing notes
[12:34] <JaneW> usplash etc?
[12:34] <ogra> JaneW, splash, wallpaper
[12:34] <ogra> and probably usplash
[12:35] <JaneW> ok, we have ppl who said they were interesed but still not got anything yet
[12:35] <ogra> i'm not sure if we want usplasjh for the thin cliens
[12:35] <JaneW> I'll check with highvoltage to see if he has anything new
[12:35] <JaneW> I mailed Sebastien Loss the guy that made the cool Breezy mascot
[12:35] <ogra> worst case i'll throw something together... we'll have some artwork
[12:35] <JaneW> and he said he is prepared to do something for us for edubuntu
[12:36] <JaneW> should I ask Andy Fitz to help us?
[12:36] <ogra> but the artwork front is very silent anyway, even in ubuntu
[12:36] <JaneW> nod
[12:36] <JaneW> but ogra you shouldn;t do it
[12:36] <ogra> JaneW, he doesnt do very much, i'm in the artwork channel constantly
[12:36] <JaneW> unless you really wants to in your copius spare time!
[12:37] <JaneW> s/wants/want
[12:37] <ogra> JaneW, i worked 2 years ar graphics designer, i could do it...
[12:37] <ogra> its nothing i'm after, but worst case i could produce something
[12:38] <ogra> (something usabel indeed)
[12:39] <JaneW> ogra: I have no doubt you could do it!
[12:39] <ogra> its a thing to do in an afternoon...
[12:39] <ogra> heh
[12:39] <BrandonWeeks> lol
[12:40] <JaneW> Ok so we need to give ogra space to get the dev on track
[12:40] <JaneW> we need to test test tes
[12:40] <JaneW> t
[12:40] <ogra> yep
[12:40] <JaneW> and we need to get the artwork sorted
[12:40] <JaneW> and the docs finished (but they are also dependant on dev progress)
[12:40] <ogra> and more important, docs
[12:40] <JaneW> what else?
[12:41] <ogra> thats all for now... docs, docs docs
[12:41] <JaneW> besides the cookbook what all do we need there
[12:41] <JaneW> jsgotangco indicated that he has done some other stuff too
[12:41] <ogra> hopefully not much...
[12:42] <ogra> great
[12:42] <JaneW> * All standard docs for Ubuntu will also be included in Edubuntu viewable in Yelp, the doc team will also add some more Edubuntu-specific docs.
[12:42] <JaneW> * Release notes, faqs, stuff, etc. should come naturally once we have a working system. Jerome did make some basic structured docs on the doc team svn.
[12:42] <ogra> the less docs we need the better our release is :)
[12:42] <JaneW> nod
[12:42] <BrandonWeeks> Right.
[12:42] <JaneW> we ideally should give Jerome a bit of time to do the docs
[12:43] <ogra> yep
[12:43] <JaneW> so as soon as he can d/l and install something that works the better
[12:43] <ogra> he still has time until preview
[12:44] <ogra> i think with my installation notes he'll be fine already...
[12:44] <ogra> (while these will get shorter with every improvement we make)
[12:45] <ogra> i hope he can test the thin client stuff
[12:45] <ogra> because thats the interesting bit
[12:47] <JaneW> nod
[12:47] <BrandonWeeks> Do you know if the teachers pet will work with fat cliets?
[12:48] <ogra> BrandonWeeks, i doubt Teachers Pet will make it into this release, probably in universe as a last minute thing.. but not on the CD...
[12:48] <BrandonWeeks> Ok
[12:48] <ogra> www.grawert.net/SCP.png
[12:48] <ogra> thats what i have until now...
[12:48] <BrandonWeeks> Yes, I have saw that.
[12:49] <jelkner> anyone ready for an update on the install?
[12:49] <ogra> it gives you the option to kill student sessions and to connect via vnc...
[12:49] <ogra> but not much more yet
[12:49] <JaneW> jelkner: sure
[12:49] <ogra> jelkner, sure !
[12:49] <jelkner> ogra: your instructions were crystal clear
[12:49] <ogra> thanks :)
[12:49] <jelkner> the server installation finished
[12:50] <jelkner> but the first client i tried to boot kernel panicked
[12:50] <JaneW> ogra: well done :)
[12:51] <ogra> did you try a second time? we have a bug in uninonfs that requires a second boot sometimes
[12:51] <ogra> mdz is on it
[12:51] <jelkner> it failed on mount /opt/ltsp/i386
[12:51] <jelkner> timed out
[12:51] <jelkner> will do now...
[12:51] <mdz> that's not a unionfs bug
[12:51] <ogra> yeah, thats the typical unionfs bug...
[12:51] <ogra> mdz, ??
[12:52] <mdz> the unionfs module isn't even loaded yet at that point
[12:52] <ogra> ah, yes, rather a timeout in the NIC initialization
[12:52] <mdz> ogra: I CCed you on the Bugzilla bug that I think that is
[12:53] <ogra> mdz, you CCed me on a ton of bugs today... i'll have to walk through them... Cxx bugs all over the place :)
[12:54] <jelkner> second time's a charm!
[12:54] <ogra> 12942c:)
[12:54] <ogra> yay
[12:54] <jelkner> it worked!
[12:54] <ogra> great :)
[12:54] <jelkner> ok, one of my students is about to start a CanDo presentation... i gotta run... thanks folks!
[12:55] <ogra> jelkner, thanks for the feedback, i owe you one :)
[12:55] <jelkner> i'll have plenty more feedback over the next few weeks
[12:55] <jelkner> we are going to be setting up several of these around the area
[12:55] <ogra> great
[12:55] <jelkner> pleanty of tests...
[12:55] <jelkner> cya
[12:55] <mdz> jelkner: there's some sort of race condition there where the card isn't initialized soon enough
[12:55] <ogra> bye
[12:55] <mdz> I think I may need to add a sleep or something until we can figure it out
[12:56] <JaneW> bye jelkner !
[12:56] <jelkner> ok, sleep on it then ;-)
[12:56] <jelkner> bye
[12:56] <JaneW> anything else to discuss?
[12:56] <JaneW> ogra: do you think these sessions are useful in anyway?
[12:57] <ogra> since neither doc or artwork people are here, i think we can close now...
[12:57] <JaneW> I think it helps to get all the info progress and requests bundled together...
[12:57] <ogra> JaneW, yes
[12:57] <JaneW> I don't think this time was great though
[12:57] <JaneW> back to 12:00UTC next wed?
[12:57] <ogra> yepo
[12:57] <ogra> -o
[12:57] <JaneW> yay :)
[12:58] <ogra> lets see what feedback comes on the ML
[12:58] <ajmitch> ogra: don't forget the MOTU meeting next week ;)
[12:58] <ogra> i wont
[12:58] <JaneW> I'll chase up docs and artwork in the meantime
[12:58] <ogra> :)
[12:58] <ajmitch> ogra: I hope having the two meetings on the same day is ok for you?
[12:58] <ogra> sure
[12:59] <ogra> ajmitch, online meetings are not as exhausting as RL meetings
[12:59] <ogra> (and you can scroll back)
[12:59] <ogra> *g*
[01:00] <ogra> ajmitch, in my last RL job i had about 5 2h meetings twice a week :)
[01:00] <ajmitch> ouch :)
[01:00] <ogra> yep
[01:00] <ogra> ajmitch, ask \sh, he has them still :)
[01:00] <JaneW> ogra: you should have enough time to recover by 20:00 ;)
[01:00] <JaneW> ajmitch: enjoy
[01:01] <JaneW> ogra: must last job was one meeting after the next
[01:01] <JaneW> there was hardly time to work in between
[01:01] <ogra> JaneW, yep
[01:01] <ogra> two days a week were lost for meetings
[01:03] <ogra> (and i had two other for twiddling thumbs)
[01:03] <ogra> so one for real work which was more then enough...
[01:03] <ogra> (a quite boring job)
[01:04] <ogra> thats why \sh does so much for motu :)
[01:06] <JaneW> http://www.tonight.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=2840801&fSectionId=349&fSetId=204
[01:07] <ogra> lol
[01:08] <ogra> i spent my offline evening in watching sompsons and futurama while drinking scotch ;)
[01:08] <ogra> simpsons even
[01:15] <rob^> I'm sure Intel will release a processor called sompsons one day
[01:15] <JaneW> lol, < brocktice> don't drink and root
[01:15] <ogra> heh
[01:16] <ogra> JaneW, hey, its ubuntu... we sudo *g*
[01:16] <JaneW> ogra: yeah we used to watch every week too
[01:16] <JaneW> true
[01:17] <JaneW> this is a unix guy though
[01:20] <ogra> to qoute my favorite sentence from the root/sudo page (Burgundavia sadly deleted) root and su is *so* 80s :)
[01:22] <ogra> but if i think about it now, it makes me feel real old ...
[01:27] <cyphase> hey everyone
[01:27] <cyphase> anyone here live in the San Francisco bay area?
[01:29] <robitaille> cyphase: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWorldWide
[01:30] <robitaille> can't remember seeing anyone from the Bay area in Ubuntu channels. (used to live there in previous life....)
[01:35] <JaneW> heheh
[01:35] <JaneW> night all
[01:36] <ogra> night JaneW
[05:12] <Templ> Ol!
[05:13] <Templ> Hi there! Ol! Buenas noches!
[06:16] <cyphase> hey everyone
[02:32] <seb128> hi
[02:32] <mvo> hi
[02:32] <mvo> no jamesh
[02:32] <mvo> hi jamesh
[02:33] <jamesh> hi
[02:33] <seb128> hey jamesh
[02:33] <mvo> seb128: so you plan something like "lpi_add_items_with_srcpkgname()" (the function name sucks a bit)?
[02:34] <seb128> right
[02:34] <jamesh> I was thinking more of a "launchpad_integration_set_sourcepackagename()"
[02:34] <jamesh> to be called before add_items() (or whatever)
[02:34] <seb128> why 2 functions?
[02:34] <mvo> yes, that sounds better
[02:34] <jamesh> well, we currently have 3 functions for adding menu items
[02:35] <jamesh> one for GtkUIManager, one for plain GtkMenu style menus and one for BonoboUI
[02:35] <seb128> oh, right, better than 2 variants of 3 functions
[02:35] <jamesh> this way it is 1+3 functions rather than 2*3 functions
[02:35] <mvo> *nod*
[02:36] <mvo> hehe
[02:43] <jamesh> done (but not really tested)
[02:44] <seb128> waouh, that was quick
[02:44] <mvo> jamesh: thanks, I'll merge it now and do some testing
[02:44] <jamesh> patch-26
[03:03] <JaneW> chmj: will you have a good update in the wiki by the end of today? I need to feed back to mdz
[03:27] <mvo> jamesh, seb128: should we name the python module "LaunchpadIntegration"? or something else? it may look funny to call "LaunchpadIntegration.set_sourcepackagename()"
[04:33] <seb128> mvo: ups, sorry for not reply ... I've not better name. If you want something else, maybe launchpadi ou lpint ?
[07:07] <cyphase> does anyone in san francisco know anything about the explosion that just happened?
[07:18] <cyphase> http://www.kgoam810.com/listenlive/listenlive.pls - will have info about the explosion in SF
[07:20] <cyphase> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/baycitynews/archive/2005/08/19/explosion19.DTL
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2005-08-24-#ubuntu-toolchain
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[12:19] <jbailey> Does ccache invalidate the cache based on compiler version?
[12:55] <lamont> jbailey: yes
[05:42] <infinity> doko : make binutils_2.16 stop hating pike7.6 (or vice versa). kthxbye.
[05:46] <jbailey> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/p/pike7.6/7.6.27-1ubuntu2/ shows all successful, provide a better bug report.
[05:46] <jbailey> I know I packed the lart around here somewhere.
[05:46] <jbailey> Even better..
[05:47] <jbailey> Enya piano music.
[05:47] <jbailey> infinity: What problem are you seeing?
[06:08] <infinity> /build/buildd/pike7.6-7.6.27/src/interpret.c:1287: error: PIC register 'ebx' clobbered in 'asm'
[06:08] <infinity> Looks like it's been happening ever since the binutils 2.16 upgrade.
[06:09] <infinity> (Last successful build was with gcc 4.0.0 and binutils 2.15)
[06:09] <infinity> Only on i386. The other 3 arches are fine.
[06:09] <fabbione> morning
[06:10] <infinity> While it's entirely possible that "write better inline asm" is the real answer, I don't speak x86 asm..
[06:11] <infinity> jbailey : Also, there's a failed build log there now (and there's a matching one for the previous version)
[06:12] <jbailey> Eh, looks from the error like they're not setting up their register spilling correctly.
[06:13] <jbailey> Recent gcc's are a bit stricted about making sure things mark all their asm constructs correctly.
[06:13] <jbailey> I'd be surprised if there wasn't a fix in pike's cvs or whatever for it.
[06:13] <jbailey> If doko hasn't looked by tomorrow, I'll try to do so.
[06:15] <elmo> infinity: regardless, could you look at de-piking-swig?
[06:15] <elmo> I think it'd be good to drop the stupid thing
[06:15] <elmo> and/or should I file a bug
[06:16] <infinity> Bug. Too bys right now to remember anything that isn't written down.
[06:16] <infinity> busy, too.
[06:26] <infinity> elmo : While you're running spiffy tools, can you tell me what would fall out of the archive if libmysqlclient-lgpl went away?
[06:31] <infinity> Meh, still a few things, apparently. I should really recompile those on the sly when no one's looking, so I can drop the vile libmysqlclient10
[12:20] <chmj> doko: ping
[12:21] <doko> chmj: pong
[01:35] <jbailey> # 1 "main.c"
[01:35] <jbailey> # 1 "/usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/stdio.h" 1 3
[01:35] <jbailey> Luvly.
[01:35] <jbailey> doko: Around?
[01:37] <doko> yes, only short, have to go to my computer shop ...
[01:37] <doko> broken amd mainboard
[01:44] <jbailey> Ouch
[01:44] <jbailey> doko: Is there anything else you need in glibc i386?
[01:44] <jbailey> If no, I'll upload this.
[01:46] <doko> do you build it with 4.0 ?
[01:46] <doko> ahh, no, you don't need the biarch includes for the glibc _build_
[01:47] <jbailey> Right. =)
[01:47] <doko> one thing ... please let libc6-dev-amd64 depend on lib64gcc1, same for powerpc, sparc, s390
[01:48] <doko> and libc6-dev-i386 on lib32gcc1
[01:48] <jbailey> 'kay. Should it be (= ?? )
[01:48] <jbailey> or >= ?
[01:48] <jbailey> Or just as long as it's installed?
[01:49] <jbailey> Hmm, sparc64 already has lib64gcc1 in there.
[01:49] <jbailey> Oh, not dev, but libc6-sparc64
[01:49] <jbailey> All of them ought to.
[01:50] <jbailey> Package: libc6-amd64
[01:50] <jbailey> Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.5-1ubuntu9), lib64gcc1
[01:50] <doko> yes, maybe >= 4.0.1 would be ok?
[01:50] <jbailey> Are you seeing it not get pulled into sometimes, though?
[01:51] <doko> yes, but the -dev package as well.
[01:51] <doko> no, by what?
[01:51] <doko> you need the libgcc for development
[01:51] <jbailey> libc6-amd64-dev depends on libc6-amd64, which depends on lib64gcc1
[01:51] <doko> gcc-X.X can't depend on it, because it suckes in the biarch stuff unconditionally ...
[01:51] <jbailey> This has been in here for a while, it looks like.
[01:52] <jbailey> BenC added it on 15 Jul 2005
[01:54] <doko> ok. and maybe the libc6-amd64-dev can provide a lib64c-dev virtual package
[01:55] <doko> I don't like b-d's like: libc6-dev-s390x [s390] , libc6-dev-sparc64 [sparc] , libc6-dev-i386 [amd64] , libc6-dev-amd64 [i386]
[01:56] <jbailey> Then it will be lib64c-dev [s390 sparc i386] lib32c-dev [amd64] ?
[01:56] <jbailey> That's not much better. =(
[01:58] <doko> well, I would like to avoid a gcc64 package
[02:00] <jbailey> Let's think about it and do it for a different upload.
[02:00] <jbailey> It would be nice to find something elegantish. like libc-biarch-dev
[02:00] <jbailey> And have it be a dummy packages on archs without biarch.
[02:01] <doko> yep, that could be nice as well ...
[02:02] <doko> then talk with gotom about it, I persuaded him to add lib64c-dev ...
[02:10] <jbailey> doko: Do you know when you will backport the includedir path to gcc-3.4?
[02:10] <jbailey> I'd like to fix l-k-h do use those paths.
[02:10] <doko> done
[02:11] <jbailey> Cool!
[02:11] <doko> could you upload glibc first, so that I can depend on it?
[02:11] <jbailey> doko: Yup, lemme push the upload now, then.
[02:11] <doko> ok, I'm away now for two hours
[02:11] <jbailey> 'k
[02:12] <jbailey> I have an appointment this morning too.
[02:14] <chmj> erm
[02:14] <jbailey> chmj: ?
[02:14] <chmj> how do I install glibc ?
[02:14] <chmj> hi jbailey
[02:15] <jbailey> What? =)
[02:15] <jbailey> If you don't have glibc installed, you likely aren't doing to install anything else. =)
[02:15] <chmj> erm, right
[02:15] <chmj> issit it suppose to come with libc.mo ?
[02:16] <chmj> in debian that is
[02:16] <jbailey> For i18n?
[02:16] <jbailey> Oh, in Debian?
[02:16] <jbailey> No idea off hand.
[02:16] <jbailey> What are you trying to do?
[02:17] <chmj> find the package that install libc.mo's in /usr/share/locale/(.*)/LC_MESSAGES/libc.mo
[02:18] <jbailey> On Debian, it's locales
[02:22] <chmj> oh right
[04:45] <jbailey_> Feh, i386 failed. /me checks
[04:52] <jbailey_> forced unwind support unavailable? wtf?
[07:59] <elmo> what are our chances of dropping gcc-3.3 from main?
[08:00] <elmo> grub, libpng, libpng3 and openoffice.org seem to be the only things in main that explicityly b-d on it
[08:11] <jbailey> I thought doko had said okay to that before, with the goal of 3.4/4.0 only for this release.
[08:11] <jbailey> (so also dropping 2.95)
[08:13] <elmo> grub at least looks like it's not going to be >> 3.3 ready
[08:13] <elmo> the changelog talks about 0.97 being the first to support it
[08:13] <elmo> I know doko was working on libpng, dunno if it's fixed yet
[09:04] <jbailey> lamont, lamont-away: ping?
[09:04] <jbailey> lamont: I think the gcc wrapper might be confused.
[10:05] <elmo> lamont: ia64 has a kernel now - reminder about daily d-i builds
[10:15] <jbailey> doko: I seem to get an FTBFS on gcc-4.0:
[10:16] <jbailey> The following requested languages were not found: ada
[10:16] <jbailey> Missing build-dep?
[10:45] <lamont> elmo: thanks
[10:48] <lamont> elmo: cronjob enabled, and one kicked manually
[11:18] <doko> elmo: hmm, looks that I missed the libpng uploads. couldn't reproduce the failures anymore
[11:18] <doko> jbailey: build log?
[11:24] <jbailey> doko: Locally with the new glibc in a clean chroot.
[11:24] <jbailey> I can post it for you, though.
[12:00] <doko> jbailey: the log would be nice. I'll have my computer probably back on Monday
[12:03] <jbailey> doko: 'kay. I'll get to it before that.
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| 2005-08-24T00:00:00 |
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2005-08-24-#edubuntu
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[01:27] <cyphase> hey everyone
[01:27] <ogra> hi cyphase
[01:27] <cyphase> anyone here live in the San Francisco bay area?
[01:27] <ogra> <-- gremany
[01:27] <cyphase> hey ogra
[01:27] <ogra> germany even
[01:27] <cyphase> lol
[03:32] !lilo:*! catbert is passing among you, changing ident fields from I= to i= and N= to n= for consistency
[03:32] !lilo:*! affected users, about 3,500
[03:56] <jsgotangco> hello
[05:05] !lilo:*! Hi all. Apparently one of our servers has lost contact with the internet, we're looking at it. Apologies for the inconvenience.
[05:23] !lilo:*! Another main rotation server has lost contact; apologies for the inconvenience.
[06:16] <cyphase> hey everyone
[08:40] <highvoltage> Is everyone angry at me? The channel is always quiet when I join :)
[08:49] <ogra> hey highvoltage
[08:53] <highvoltage> hi ogra :)
[10:50] <jsgotangco> hi all
[10:51] <jsgotangco> ogra: ping?
[10:54] <ogra> jsgotangco, hi
[10:54] <jsgotangco> hi, do we have a final listing already of what's going in and not, what's our best feature/software, etc.?
[10:55] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-breezy/desktop
[10:55] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-breezy/server
[10:55] <ogra> thats what we have in... the commented stuff isnt moved to main yet
[10:56] <ogra> 90% of the desktop seed is identical with ubuntu
[10:56] <jsgotangco> hmm
[10:58] <JaneW> jsgotangco: lol, marilize had the same problem... map it back to US - easier
[10:58] <JaneW> late meetings suck... hard to do everything straight away afterwars, and feel like crap the next day :/
[10:59] <jsgotangco> this doesn't even have a proper $ key
[11:08] <jsgotangco> hmm we have mediawiki ok
[11:14] <jsgotangco> hmm too bad for moodle and schooltool
[11:15] <ogra> what? that we have mediawiki ?
[11:15] <jsgotangco> its not commented out
[11:16] <jsgotangco> oh wait
[11:16] <jsgotangco> we only have mysql-server
[11:16] <jsgotangco> # means waiting main inclusion?
[11:16] <jsgotangco> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-breezy/server
[11:16] <jsgotangco> what is edubuntu-server a meta package?
[11:19] <jsgotangco> hmm no mail server
[11:19] <jsgotangco> this getting hard
[11:25] <highvoltage> eddie is so idealistic.
[11:25] <highvoltage> ned flanders for president!
[11:26] <jsgotangco> ??
[11:26] <jsgotangco> simpsons?
[11:26] <ogra> jsgotangco, only local transport.... we dont want the teachers to set up a mailserer for a single classroom install....
[11:28] <jsgotangco> local transport meaning internal email?
[11:29] <jsgotangco> ogra: i am having a hard time re-writing our manual in a cookbook context because tuXlab is so full featured and I have very little idea of what we currently have except those that are seeded
[11:29] <jsgotangco> stuff like internet access, proxy, etc.
[11:30] <highvoltage> sorry! wrong window, I meant to type that in another channel. lol.
[11:32] <ogra> jsgotangco, we'll have a ltsp environment out of the box, you'll only have to give the ip range for the dhcp server, everything else will be automatically....
[11:32] <ogra> jsgotangco, the thin client desktop will look like a ubuntu with the additionaly edu apps
[11:33] <ogra> jsgotangco, you will reach the mediawiki setup page by accessing http://localhost/wiki/, moodle by http://localhost/moodle and schooltool in a similar way...
[11:34] <jsgotangco> i thought those things are not included?
[11:34] <ogra> jsgotangco, the first user you add will be the admin user, all further added users will be normal users by default, like in ubuntu...
[11:34] <ogra> not *yet*, they all have main inclusion reports that are pending review
[11:35] <jsgotangco> but is it safe to say they *will* be included?
[11:35] <ogra> they will have to....
[11:35] <Marky> hmm..
[11:36] <jsgotangco> ok im installing the daily now so if i get it right, all ordinary users in the server box are automatic ltsp users
[11:37] <ogra> jsgotangco, follow my instructions please... http://edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting
[11:37] <ogra> but you need a thin client for that
[11:38] <ogra> jsgotangco, its likely that the 20050819 iso is broken again, somehow the iso from yesterday got deleted
[11:38] <jsgotangco> ok sorry i didnt notice your email on that
[11:38] <jsgotangco> :)
[11:38] <ogra> i'm just trying to sort that....
[11:41] <jsgotangco> ok so we'll have no messaging server or something similar
[11:42] <ogra> nope
[11:42] <ogra> the users have evolution, they can point it to every server they like
[11:43] <jsgotangco> ok so no filtering as well like squidguard
[11:44] <jsgotangco> basically Ubuntu on LTSP
[11:45] <ogra> yep
[11:45] <ogra> all other stuff was postponed
[11:46] <jsgotangco> are we still pushing for a gartoon icon set?
[11:47] <ogra> yep
[11:47] <ogra> its already propsed for main, just not moved
[11:47] <ogra> additionally we might take sabayon for kiosk functionallity
[11:48] <jsgotangco> aren't we affected by feature freeze?
[11:48] <ogra> we are, why ?
[11:48] <jsgotangco> just a thought, so i guess its all about finishing those inclusion reports?
[11:49] <ogra> demoting software from universe to main isnt affected by feature freeze
[11:49] <jsgotangco> demote?
[11:49] <jsgotangco> promote
[11:49] <ogra> yes
[11:49] <ogra> sorry, wrong term
[11:50] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[11:50] <jsgotangco> i just have too much time on my hands lately, that's all :)
[12:19] <jsgotangco> night, i'll just come back later dinner first
[02:39] <JaneW> highvoltage: ping
[02:45] <ogra> JaneW, only 5 yellow ones left :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuMainInclusion
[02:47] <JaneW> :))
[02:48] <ogra> only the violet ones are my nightmares:)
[02:52] <JaneW> 2?
[02:53] <JaneW> and the red one?
[02:55] <ogra> thats what moodle causes to be violet... i have to replace the code from wwwconfig-common there
[02:56] <JaneW> oic
[02:56] <JaneW> comic relief -> http://www.tonight.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=2843830
[02:57] <JaneW> ogra: do you know if highvoltage is testing LTSP?
[02:58] <JaneW> ogra: also is ThinClientIntegration testing any different in reality to edubuntu testing?
[02:59] <ogra> yes, a bit, since we get more out of edubuntu testing for edubuntu indeed
[02:59] <ogra> but technically its the ame
[02:59] <ogra> same
[02:59] <JaneW> ok
[02:59] <JaneW> so the LTSP part is identical?
[02:59] <ogra> yup
[03:00] <ogra> but i'd prefer tests of edubuntu if possible :)
[03:00] <JaneW> ok
[03:01] <ogra> still 19h to go for my iso upload :/
[03:01] <JaneW> well lets encourage ppl to test edubuntu (assuming we can again now?) and then feedback to mdz on LTSP?
[03:01] <ogra> even with rsync its not faster
[03:02] <ogra> as soon as i have uploaded the iso... (19h as i said... but its jumping to 4h from time to tim, so i dont know how serious i can take it)
[03:02] <ogra> 53%
[03:07] <highvoltage> JaneW: pong
[03:08] <JaneW> hello highvoltage
[03:09] <JaneW> highvoltage: mdz told me last night that you are one of his offical LTSP testers... so I am jyst following up ;)
[03:11] <highvolt1ge> sorry about that.
[03:11] <highvolt1ge> Hi Jane.
[03:12] <JaneW> ogra: contentfiltering...?
[03:12] <JaneW> ogra: mdz thinks it's deferred - do you agree?
[03:12] <ogra> yup, was his request
[03:13] <highvoltage> strange.
[03:14] <JaneW> highvoltage: mdz told me last night that you are one of his offical LTSP testers... so I am just following up ;)
[03:15] <highvoltage> JaneW: afaik, yes :)
[03:15] <highvoltage> JaneW: I sent him some info, and I'll send him more feedback over the weekend.
[03:15] <JaneW> highvoltage: mdz needs feedback on testing, and more testers...
[03:15] <JaneW> highvoltage: ok great, thanks
[03:23] <highvoltage> JaneW: I just emailed elmo about the passwords for the server, he hasn't sent me any details yet.
[03:23] <JaneW> mutter
[03:24] <JaneW> hack them?
[03:24] <JaneW> *joke*!
[03:24] <highvoltage> hehe.
[03:33] <JaneW> ogra: sorry but PowerManagementConfiguration you previously said 1-2 days...
[03:33] <JaneW> matt said powermanagementconfiguration isn't in desktop yet, but it _might_ be ready to go but just sitting in universe
[03:33] <JaneW> is that correct?
[03:35] <ogra> nope, it needs adjustment... the design is very similar to network manager and it needs similar but easier changes
[03:37] <ogra> you can use it as s from universe currently to display the status of all battery driven devices, but you cant manage them
[03:37] <ogra> s/as s/ as is/
[03:39] <ogra> i wanted to have it ready over the weekend, but the edubuntu drawbacks were not planned and steal a lot of time now...
[03:40] <ogra> (currently i need to work on nvu, but my DSL only gives me about 4k while uploading the CD, i cant even download the source for it at a usable speed)
[03:40] <ogra> :(
[03:46] <JaneW> :(
[05:50] <highvoltage> will the edubuntu wiki be merging with the main ubuntu wiki?
[05:52] <ogra> i think so....
[06:13] <highvoltage> ogra: the banner on top will then say ubuntu, which is not a problem, i think. or should it say edubuntu?
[06:36] <ogra> highvoltage, rather edubuntu...
[06:38] <highvoltage> i wonder if you can have different banners for different pages. maybe a css hack. then again, how would the user choose that it's an edubuntu page or not?
[06:52] <mpt> highvoltage: By including "CategoryUbuntu" in the page somewhere (usually at the bottom)
[06:52] <mpt> er, "CategoryEdubuntu" :-)
[06:58] <highvoltage> ah, ok.
[07:07] <cyphase> does anyone in san francisco know anything about the explosion that just happened?
[07:18] <cyphase> http://www.kgoam810.com/listenlive/listenlive.pls - will have info about the explosion in SF
[07:20] <cyphase> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/baycitynews/archive/2005/08/19/explosion19.DTL
[08:51] <ioio24> hello
[08:52] <highvoltage> hello ioio24
[08:53] <ioio24> i install ubuntu in a partition of 1GB... i install the server mode because i dont have too much space...
[08:53] <ioio24> the Q is:
[08:53] <ioio24> How can I now install gnome?
[08:54] <ioio24> I must install first "x windows" and then gnome?
[08:54] <highvoltage> sudo apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment should do it, i think
[08:55] <highvoltage> it will select the dependencies and stuff you need to run gnome.
[08:55] <ioio24> wau...! so simple?
[08:55] <ioio24> soo simple?
[08:55] <highvoltage> yep
[08:55] <highvoltage> ah, wait
[08:55] <highvoltage> you could just do
[08:56] <highvoltage> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[08:56] <highvoltage> even simpler :)
[08:56] <ioio24> :))
[08:56] <ioio24> the apt tool use the cd or internet to do this?
[09:05] <ogra> ioio24, depends how you configure it, if you use apt-cdrom toadd the CD, it will use the CD (see man apt-cdrom)
[09:52] !lilo:*! if you're a tor user with a group cloak (i.e., any cloak but "unaffiliated"), and you've been experiencing problems with your group cloak being overwritten by your tor cloak, please message me
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2005-08-24-#ubuntu-motu
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[01:01] <Mez> \sh_away, $100 laptops?
[01:13] <sistpoty> <-- off to bed
[01:13] <sistpoty> gn8 all
[01:13] <tseng> ajmitch: ok here is the score. one bug fixed in gtk-sharp 2.3 (confirmed by me), one fix pending in f-spot cvs
[01:14] <tseng> ajmitch: the 3rd bug i found i cant reproduce on this box, and neither can lewing
[01:14] <ajmitch> so I'd have to get the cvs snapshot, as I can't backport a switch to 2.x :)
[01:14] <ajmitch> and ETA on new f-spot release?
[01:14] <tseng> beats me
[01:14] <tseng> 15:14 < lewing> I'll make a 0.1.1 in a week or so
[01:14] <tseng> hows that
[01:14] <ajmitch> sounds good
[01:15] <tseng> /lastlog for the win
[01:15] <tseng> so.. 2.3
[01:15] <tseng> the score so far
[01:15] <tseng> one patch (muine), many rebuilds (monodevelop)
[01:15] <tseng> MD runs, but the templates need love
[01:16] <tseng> now im not so gung ho about getting on -devel and asking for exemption
[01:16] <tseng> sort of sucktacular
[02:16] <mgalvin> slomo: ping
[02:26] <mgalvin> well if anyone has time i updated my packages in revu, thanks in advance for reviewing them
[02:27] <mgalvin> ls
[02:31] <jabra> anyone if qt4 is in breezy?
[02:34] <theantix> "apt-cache search qt4" returns zero results...
[02:35] <Nafallo> Accepted qt4-x11 4.0.0-3 (source)
[02:36] <jabra> ya I am trying to get it to workin currenetly in hoary but without any luck
[02:36] <jabra> anyone have experience with it?
[02:41] <tseng> \sh_away: haha you are the coolest
[08:09] <c0rrupt_> aparently there is a hole in proftpd, but the repos are not up to date
[08:12] <siretart> c0rrupt_: references?
[08:12] <c0rrupt_> nessus
[08:12] <c0rrupt_> i did a local scan
[08:12] <c0rrupt_> want the scan log?
[08:13] <theantix> ubuntu main has vsftpd though right?
[08:15] <c0rrupt_> ?
[08:16] <c0rrupt_> siretart, do you want me to send my nessus report?
[08:16] <c0rrupt_> i actually have many vuls but i just ran apt-get upgrade.
[08:16] <siretart> c0rrupt_: yes, please
[08:16] <c0rrupt_> what format do you want it i
[08:16] <c0rrupt_> in
[08:16] <siretart> ascii?
[08:17] <c0rrupt_> do you have nessus?
[08:17] <c0rrupt_> i can send it in the nessus format....
[08:17] <siretart> no, sorry
[08:17] <c0rrupt_> ok,
[08:18] <c0rrupt_> acutally there is many vuln
[08:18] <c0rrupt_> proftpd is just one
[08:18] <siretart> c0rrupt_: can you make a list of CAN #?
[08:19] <c0rrupt_> can what?
[08:19] <siretart> c0rrupt_: if you can, it would be very great, if you could mail them to [email protected]
[08:19] <c0rrupt_> ok
[08:19] <c0rrupt_> take a good look at it, there is many vulns
[08:19] <c0rrupt_> at apparently im up to date.
[08:20] <c0rrupt_> so a lot of people are probably unsecure
[08:20] <siretart> you are sure that arn't false positives?
[08:20] <c0rrupt_> yes
[08:20] <siretart> you can look up can numbers here: http://cve.mitre.org/cve/
[08:23] <c0rrupt_> ok, mail sent
[08:24] <c0rrupt_> gaim also has security holes
[08:24] <c0rrupt_> new version fixed them
[08:25] <siretart> brb
[08:26] <c0rrupt_> did you get the mail?
[08:26] <siretart> not yet
[08:27] <c0rrupt_> i got a message back
[08:27] <c0rrupt_> it say
[08:27] <c0rrupt_> says*
[08:27] <c0rrupt_> your message... Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
[08:28] <c0rrupt_> i sent the scan log as an attachment, i prolly should have just pasted it into the body of the message
[08:30] <c0rrupt_> should i re-send?
[08:37] <c0rrupt_> ?
[08:38] <c0rrupt_> siretart, im leaving soon so i need to know if you got it
[08:43] <c0rrupt_> i sent it again. with the log in the body of the email
[09:45] <Treenaks> ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4162692.stm
[10:03] <siretart> c0rrupt__: you can check it yourself here: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/security-review/
[10:03] <siretart> c0rrupt__: in doubt, CC: me ([email protected])
[10:03] <c0rrupt__> ok
[10:05] <c0rrupt__> is it there yet?
[12:35] <pef> hello
[12:35] <dredg> morning.
[12:35] <pef> is knights-0.6.4-beta0-ubuntu1 a correct version ?
[12:36] <pef> for a program named knights-0.6.4-beta, and not yet packaged
[12:36] <dredg> looks correct
[12:36] <tseng> \sh:
[12:36] <tseng> mythtv_0.18-2ubuntu1_20050818-2347-i386-successful.gz
[01:06] <\sh> tseng: yes..but the rest not
[01:26] <sedak> hello
[01:26] <sedak> is someone here ?
[01:27] <dredg> no one here except for us chickens
[01:27] <sedak> hi
[01:28] <SloMo_> hi sedak ;)
[01:28] <sedak> i've made a new package
[01:28] <sedak> for a driver i needed
[01:28] <SloMo_> what driver?
[01:28] <sedak> for old wifi card
[01:28] <sedak> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12679
[01:29] <sedak> well
[01:29] <sedak> i'm not a maintainer
[01:30] <sedak> but it seems to work fine with make-kpkg and module-assistant
[01:30] <SloMo_> hm, ask siretart for upload rights on revu, upload it there and we'll see :)
[01:30] <sedak> ok
[01:30] <ogra__> hmm, why did you make a separate package instead of convincing the kernel maintainr to include it in the linux package ?
[01:30] <sedak> because
[01:30] <ogra__> ??
[01:31] <sedak> i'm not sure if it's really stable
[01:31] <sedak> i'm not the one who made the driver
[01:31] <sedak> but it work fine with my card
[01:31] <ogra__> is it considered for inclusion in the kernel tree upstream ?
[01:31] <sedak> bafore i used ndiswrapper, and it make ubuntu frozen
[01:32] <SloMo_> sedak: better an unstable driver than no driver i think ;)
[01:32] <ogra__> if so, and if fabbione considers it stable enough, we can include it in the linux package
[01:32] <sedak> euh i didn't ask actually
[01:32] <sedak> but if we make it a separate package, it's a good way to test it, isn't it ?
[01:33] <ogra__> could you find that out ? then it could probaly get included in our default kernel... its a bit odd to have network card drivers in universe...
[01:33] <sedak> ok
[01:33] <ogra__> sine you will need network access to install it ;)
[01:33] <ogra__> since even
[01:33] <sedak> so i could make a patch for the kernel
[01:33] <sedak> and then ask to fabbione to add it ?
[01:34] <ogra__> sedak, talk to fabbione in #ubuntu-devel, he's the kernel maintainer
[01:34] <sedak> ok
[01:34] <ogra__> he will know if it can get included or needs to stay in universe
[01:44] <sedak> ok, i asked siretart and he added me to the keyring
[01:44] <sedak> but as it's my first time ...
[01:44] <sedak> what should i do now ?
[01:44] <siretart> sedak: wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU
[01:45] <sedak> thanks :-)
[02:15] <sedak> it's uploaded
[02:20] <siretart> sedak: there are many dh_make (or others) leftovers
[02:20] <siretart> like http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/rtl8180-kernel-0508191415/rtl8180-kernel-0.22.0cvs050817/debian/README.Debian
[02:20] <siretart> or debian/rules
[02:20] <siretart> sedak: please clean them up
[02:21] <siretart> if it isn't going to ubuntu kernel, that is
[02:21] <sedak> ok
[02:24] <sedak> siretart, what do you exactly mean ?
[02:24] <sladen> siretart: wow, I was just looking at that driver earlier...
[02:25] <sedak> the debian/rules need to be there to build the module with module-assistant ...
[02:25] <sedak> and the README.Debian explain how to build it
[02:25] <siretart> sedak: there are many unnecessary comments left over
[02:25] <ogra> sedak, but yu normally rip out all th unneded template stuff from this file
[02:26] <sedak> ok
[02:50] <sedak> it's uploaded again ...
[02:55] <Yagisan> SloMo_ ping
[02:56] <SloMo_> Yagisan: pong
[02:56] <Yagisan> SloMo_: deng is perfect now. new upload finished
[02:58] <Yagisan> SloMo_: now to fix the lintian errors on my installers :)
[03:13] <mgalvin> hi all
[03:23] <Yagisan> Is it ok to ignore lintian warnings caused by dh_installmenu ?
[03:24] <SloMo_> Yagisan: depends ;) are the warnings correct or just false warnings?
[03:24] <Yagisan> SloMo_: it's just a menu-file-in-usr-lib warning.
[03:25] <Yagisan> SloMo_: thats where dh_installmenu puts the menu entry
[03:25] <SloMo_> why is it in /usr/lib?
[03:25] <SloMo_> hmm
[03:25] <SloMo_> sounds wrong ;)
[03:25] <Yagisan> old location for menu command
[03:25] <Yagisan> according to lintian it moved, but the menus works there
[03:26] <mgalvin> SloMo_: just letting you know that mmsrip is updated, i added the man page and cleaned up a few other things too
[03:26] <SloMo_> Yagisan: hmm... don't know
[03:26] <SloMo_> mgalvin, Yagisan: i'll look at your packages on sunday as i'm away over the weekend
[03:26] <Yagisan> I'll ignore it. When debhelper is updated, it'll fix itself
[03:27] <mgalvin> ok, no rush, thnx
[03:28] <Yagisan> no problem slomo,
[03:46] <marcin> hi all
[03:47] <marcin> I got a question that propably could be a little strange for some debian maintainters
[03:47] <marcin> but anyway I would like to ask if is this posible to provide source packages that doesn't provide
[03:48] <marcin> sources at all?
[03:48] <Yagisan> what do you mean ?
[03:48] <Yagisan> is it data ?
[03:48] <marcin> just scripts and some rules to fetch sources when building?
[03:48] <marcin> for example to build cvs snapshot packages
[03:49] <Yagisan> I uploaded some sources that fetch data on disk and move it to a location needed by a package
[03:50] <\sh> marcin: what u mean is "ebuild"?
[03:50] <marcin> \sh: yes I know
[03:50] <Yagisan> they might be usefull for you
[03:50] <tseng> even if it is possible, it would surely be frowned on being in the official archive
[03:50] <marcin> Yagisan: when can I find these spackages?
[03:50] <tseng> random cvs snapshotting is evil
[03:51] <Yagisan> revu, look for any deng-*-installer package
[03:51] <Yagisan> out of curiosity, what do you need from cvs
[03:51] <Yagisan> ?
[03:54] <marcin> Yagisan: currently - emacs
[03:55] <marcin> Yagisan: but cvs snapshots are just example - my question was general about packages without sources
[03:56] <Yagisan> ok. try to avoid it if possible.
[03:56] <Yagisan> I hope my packages were of some use to you
[03:56] <marcin> Yagisan: you know sometimes it sucks that you need to download all sources when you just want to take a look on some /debian scripts
[03:56] <marcin> Yagisan: on rpm based distros if you want to know how something was packaged you have to download only small spec file
[03:57] <marcin> Yagisan: on debian you need to download all sources and additional files
[03:58] <torkel> marcin: in most cases it is enough to download the .diff.gz
[03:58] <marcin> torkel: hmm true
[04:00] <marcin> btw how you guys get info about new versions/releases of software?
[04:00] <Yagisan> myself, I talk to upstream
[04:00] <marcin> do you have some sripts that monitor selected cvs repositories and report changes?
[04:00] <Yagisan> others use watch files
[04:02] <marcin> I see
[04:03] <marcin> and when you got some package - do you edit them manually (write rules, manage dependencies) or maybe you have
[04:03] <marcin> a bunch of templates and scripts?
[04:04] <marcin> for example what you do when you got somepackage_1.0-1 and you want to create somepackage_1.0-2?
[04:05] <Yagisan> is somepackage_1.0-1 already an ubuntu package ?
[04:06] <marcin> Yagisan: ok let's say somepackage_1.0-0ubuntu1 and somepackage_1.0-0ubuntu2
[04:06] <marcin> Yagisan: to be more specific
[04:07] <marcin> Yagisan: and another scenario is when you got somepackage_1.0-ubuntu[1-n]
[04:07] <marcin> Yagisan: and then developers release somepackage_2.0 and you need to prepare ubuntu packages fot this tree
[04:07] <marcin> s/fot/for
[04:07] <Yagisan> I just followed http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ch-update.en.html
[04:07] <Yagisan> to update mine
[04:08] <Yagisan> I just went through your last scenario, about 4 weeks ago
[04:08] <Yagisan> It was rather painless
[04:10] <sistpoty> hi folks
[04:11] <SloMo_> hi sistpoty
[04:11] <marcin> Yagisan: thanks - my fault I skipped this part of guide
[04:12] <Yagisan> Glday sistpoty
[04:12] <sistpoty> hi SloMo_ and Yagisan
[04:12] <Yagisan> marcin: no problems, I skipped it to, untill upstream did two releases in two days
[05:08] <sedak> siretart, i think the package is fine now
[05:08] <sedak> at http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=428
[05:08] <sedak> what should i do next ?
[05:13] <sistpoty> sedak: ask motus to have it reviewed (or simply what until a motu reviews it) ;)
[05:14] <sistpoty> sedak: btw.: have you tried to build it in pbuilder?
[05:14] <sedak> actually
[05:14] <sedak> i don't know what is pbuilder ...
[05:14] <sedak> i'll have a look :-)
[05:15] <ogra> wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[05:16] <sistpoty> sedak: this is a kernel-module? shouldn't you build-depend on kernel-headers or s.th. then?
[05:16] <Yagisan> sedak: your package failed to build in pbuilder
[05:16] <sedak> :'(
[05:16] <sedak> ok
[05:16] <Yagisan> sedak: you need a build dep on bzip2
[05:17] <sedak> i thought it was build-depend ...
[05:17] <sedak> that's true
[05:17] <Yagisan> sedak: /bin/sh: bzip2: command not found
[05:18] <Yagisan> sedak: your control file only has debhelper in the build-depends line
[05:19] <sistpoty> sedak: i think you should mixed depends and build-depends ;)
[05:19] <sistpoty> '/s/mixed/exchange/
[05:23] <sistpoty> what package should wxpython-packages depend on? wxpython or libwxgtk-python or to one of them with specific version?
[05:23] <sistpoty> or is there a way to get this done with python:Depends?
[06:13] <sistpoty> cya later
[06:38] <havoc> what option do I need to make 'ps' show the group?
[06:38] <havoc> is that even possible>
[06:38] <havoc> ?
[06:49] <slomo> yeah... dirac got accepted :D
[06:53] <slomo> can someone look at gst-plugins-multiverse after dirac hit the archives?
[06:59] <GazerWork> slomo, hi!, I uploaded a new version of ceferino package, now it build fine with pbuilder. I would thank you if you can watch it
[07:00] <sedak> havoc, ps -eH -o pid,user,egid,cmd
[07:01] <sedak> i don't know if you want the GID, EGID ...
[07:04] <havoc> sedak: thanx
[07:05] <havoc> sedak: it was actually chillywilly that was asking
[07:11] <c0rrupt_> siretart, what was the link you gave me that i could watch for information on my email
[07:13] <siretart> c0rrupt_: ah, sorry about before, my connection died
[07:13] <siretart> there seem to be problems with that list
[07:13] <siretart> can you mail that to me and nafallo?
[07:16] <c0rrupt_> nafallo?
[07:17] <c0rrupt_> where do you want me to mail it to
[07:25] <tseng> \sh: you arent my hero anymore
[07:25] <tseng> \sh: you didnt fix libmyth depends!
[07:26] <tseng> \sh: ill fix it tonight maybe
[07:26] <c0rrupt_> sire..?
[07:26] <c0rrupt_> whats your email addresses
[07:31] <siretart> [email protected] and [email protected]
[07:32] <\sh> tseng: amd64 powerpc ftbfs
[07:33] <tseng> \sh: thats fine but.. depends:
[07:33] <\sh> argl
[07:33] <tseng> \sh: has libqt3c102-mt-mysql, doesnt exist since transition
[07:33] <\sh> shit
[07:33] <\sh> fck..didn't see that
[07:34] <c0rrupt_> ok mail sent
[07:37] <\sh> grmpf
[07:37] <\sh> I'm fighting with shtoom
[07:40] <siretart> c0rrupt_: how do you count 22 issues?!
[07:40] <c0rrupt_> huh?
[07:41] <siretart> c0rrupt_: I wouldn't give that much on that report
[07:42] <c0rrupt_> its a lot of data..
[07:42] <c0rrupt_> but its important
[07:42] <siretart> c0rrupt_: debian/ubuntu are backporting security patches. so only looking at the version number isn;t that good
[07:42] <c0rrupt_> all those issues should be worked out
[07:42] <Nafallo> who is joe des? (/me have to get a proxy with backlog)
[07:42] <c0rrupt_> i am
[07:43] <Nafallo> ah, could you please do the scan from somewhere !localhost?
[07:43] <c0rrupt_> i know, localhost is all i could do
[07:43] <c0rrupt_> but those flaws are still there.
[07:44] <c0rrupt_> for example gaim and proftpd are remote
[07:44] <Nafallo> normally postfix shouldn't turn up on the list, and the ssh stuff is... well, not an issue ;-)
[07:44] <c0rrupt_> yea
[07:44] <c0rrupt_> i just sent the whole report
[07:44] <c0rrupt_> why isnt the newest proftpd server in the repos
[07:44] <Nafallo> that's why I use vsftpd ;-)
[07:44] <c0rrupt_> lol...
[07:44] <c0rrupt_> are you helping with security or no
[07:45] <Nafallo> I do. that's why I rather run secure services :-)
[07:45] <Nafallo> hmm
[07:45] <Nafallo> cvs
[07:45] <siretart> intersting that debian neiter has any DSA
[07:46] <Nafallo> cvs is secured
[07:46] <siretart> is this the reported flaw? http://bugs.proftpd.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2645
[07:47] <siretart> yes, it is
[07:47] <Nafallo> imagemagick likewise
[07:47] <siretart> then it is already fixed in the debian package and in breezy
[07:47] <c0rrupt_> i dont use breezy
[07:48] <Nafallo> bzip2 to
[07:48] <c0rrupt_> people in #ubuntu said breezy destroys stuff
[07:48] <c0rrupt_> and not to use it
[07:48] <Nafallo> c0rrupt_: could. it's not stable yet :-)
[07:49] <c0rrupt_> so, what should i do to update my software.
[07:50] <siretart> hm. the debdiff from hoarys proftpd to breezys proftpd is rather large
[07:51] <siretart> but mainly bugfixes for several issues
[07:51] <siretart> c0rrupt_: perhaps you could request a backport from Mez
[07:51] <c0rrupt_> o.0?
[07:51] <siretart> c0rrupt_: or do the backport yourself, if you need the fix fast
[07:52] <c0rrupt_> not nescarily
[07:53] <Nafallo> ehm
[07:54] <Nafallo> I can't find that CAN on our cve-tool
[07:54] <siretart> seems to be only in proftpd.org bugzilla
[07:54] <c0rrupt_> Hm
[07:54] <siretart> Nafallo: what cvs-tool?
[07:54] <Nafallo> siretart: ubuntu-cve
[07:58] <Nafallo> haha. I don't think we will need to fix those ;-)
[07:58] <Nafallo> siretart: http://www.proftpd.org/docs/RELEASE_NOTES-1.3.0rc2
[07:58] <c0rrupt_> o.0
[07:58] <Nafallo> under bugfixes :-P
[07:59] <siretart> Nafallo: http://changelog.debian.net/proftpd
[07:59] <siretart> Nafallo: revisions -20 and -19
[08:00] <Lathiat> siretart: whats the deal with having debian/ in upstream tarballs? (here, me being upstream, should i have my debian/ dir i plan to keep sane in my svn tree?)
[08:00] <siretart> Lathiat: no. better don't
[08:00] <siretart> Lathiat: you really want to seperate debian integration and upstream work. even if you are upstram
[08:00] <jamessan|work> you can keep it in svn, but keep it separate from the source
[08:00] <Nafallo> siretart: Both can be considered low risk, as they require active involvement on the part of the site administrator in order to be
[08:00] <Nafallo> exploited
[08:01] <Nafallo> siretart: if you will want to put time on them, be my guest :-)
[08:01] <c0rrupt_> i see,,.
[08:01] <c0rrupt_> but, what about the others
[08:01] <siretart> Nafallo: sorry. I'd rather request a backport from Mez
[08:01] <Nafallo> siretart: indeed
[08:02] <siretart> c0rrupt_: do you run an cvs pserver?
[08:02] <c0rrupt_> nope
[08:03] <siretart> same for cvs, fixed in breezy
[08:03] <Nafallo> 1:1.12.9-9ubuntu0.1 and hoary
[08:04] <siretart> ah, ok
[08:04] <Nafallo> and warty ;-)
[08:04] <Nafallo> cvs is in main :-)
[08:04] <Nafallo> main is secured :-)
[08:04] <Nafallo> except krb5 :-P
[08:05] <Nafallo> or wait. this will have to be one of those that's not named as in debian
[08:06] <tseng> Lathiat: i cant find preseed on the wiki, any idea?
[08:06] <Lathiat> tseng: nope, try debian docs ?
[08:07] <tseng> oh
[08:07] <tseng> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/LocalNet?highlight=%28preseed%29
[08:07] <tseng> this looks like a winner
[08:07] <tseng> stupid title search
[08:07] <Nafallo> hmm
[08:07] <Nafallo> isn't mozilla-firefox dropped from breezy?
[08:07] <Lathiat> ooh shiny
[08:08] <Lathiat> i could automate reinstallation of my laptop :)
[08:08] <tseng> yeah i have 10 boxes to build
[08:08] <tseng> fast
[08:08] <Lathiat> be cool if you could specify a preseed file
[08:08] <Lathiat> tseng: heh, what for?
[08:08] <tseng> they are sniffers
[08:08] <Lathiat> ah
[08:08] <tseng> we put ethereal boxes behind all our firewalls
[08:08] <tseng> for debugging
[08:08] <Lathiat> yeh you were saying
[08:09] <tseng> did i tell you about my google map?
[08:09] <Lathiat> well you definately need some way of specify a uri to a preseed file
[08:09] <Lathiat> ts nope ?
[08:09] <tseng> i made a map with all the data centers in the US
[08:09] <tseng> you just click one to start a sniffer
[08:09] <Lathiat> haha
[08:09] <Lathiat> nice
[08:09] <tseng> its rad
[08:09] <Lathiat> oh man
[08:09] <Lathiat> thats just..
[08:09] <Lathiat> scary :
[08:09] <Lathiat> )
[08:10] <tseng> bye.
[08:10] <Nafallo> tseng: see you :-)
[08:10] <Nafallo> siretart: what does revu run, mini-dinstall?
[08:11] <siretart> Nafallo: revu2 will, revu atm does just drop the files into dirs
[08:12] <siretart> Nafallo: if you are interested in hacking, you can check out the svn repo: svn co http://siretart.tauware.de/svn/revu2/trunk
[08:12] <Nafallo> siretart: ah, oki. I will probably want something else. something like what daf has :-)
[08:13] <siretart> who is daf?
[08:13] <Nafallo> siretart: rosetta admin and DD :-)
[08:13] <Lathiat> night all
[08:13] <Lathiat> 2am is late enough. :)
[08:13] <siretart> gn8 Lathiat
[08:14] <siretart> Nafallo: what does he use?
[08:14] <Nafallo> siretart: people.ubuntu.com/~daf/packages/
[08:14] <Nafallo> siretart: dunno yet, he's on vacation ;-)
[08:14] <siretart> Nafallo: looks to me like manual apt-ftparchive
[08:15] <siretart> Nafallo: look into debarchiver, thats nice for that purpose
[08:17] <Nafallo> universe does not go on my server ;-)
[08:17] <Nafallo> apt-ftparchive is main though :-)
[08:18] <c0rrupt_> SO
[08:18] <c0rrupt_> whats going to happ?
[08:18] <Nafallo> c0rrupt_: those things looked like fixed/won't do stuff
[08:19] <c0rrupt_> bleh
[08:19] <c0rrupt_> thanks for your troubles anyways then
[08:20] <Nafallo> no problem
[08:21] <johny> siretart, i've been told to use pbuilder to fix my package because it couldn't be built with some people, but we i tried, it worked for me
[08:21] <johny> so i don't know what to do next
[08:22] <johny> maybe it is because i'm using breezy ...
[08:22] <siretart> johny: tell them to update their pbuilder
[08:22] <johny> ok
[08:24] <johny> well, anyway, anyone'd like who to review the package can do it now
[08:25] <johny> if they have a rtl8081 chip based wifi card, it could help :-)
[08:26] <c0rrupt_> i use rtl8180
[08:30] <johny> c0rrupt_, which driver do you use ?
[08:30] <johny> ndiswrapper or the free one ?
[08:30] <c0rrupt_> both
[08:30] <c0rrupt_> both work
[08:31] <c0rrupt_> right now im using the one from
[08:31] <johny> ok
[08:31] <c0rrupt_> sourceforge
[08:31] <c0rrupt_> but the ndiswrapper works fine
[08:31] <johny> i've made a package for this one
[08:31] <johny> if you want to test it, it'll be cool :-)
[08:31] <johny> it's here:
[08:31] <johny> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=439
[08:32] <Yagisan> johny are you sedak ?
[08:32] <johny> yes !!
[08:32] <johny> sorry
[08:32] <johny> i changed ../nick sedak
[08:32] <Yagisan> funny you should mention that
[08:33] <Yagisan> jamie@workhorse:~/pbuilder/ubuntu$ lintian rtl8180-kernel_0.22.0cvs050817-1_i386.changes
[08:33] <Yagisan> W: rtl8180-kernel source: build-depends-without-arch-dep
[08:33] <Yagisan> E: rtl8180-kernel source: depends-on-build-essential-package-without-using-version make [build-depends: make]
[08:33] <Yagisan> :)
[08:33] <sedak> i have different name on different server
[08:33] <sedak> i rebooted and forget to change it
[08:33] <Yagisan> brb, food
[08:34] <sedak> oups
[08:34] <sedak> i haven't seen that appeared
[08:34] <sedak> i'll try to fix that again ...
[09:03] <sedak> lintian problem is corrected now
[09:11] <Yagisan> sedak, is there supposed to be a link in /usr/share/modass/overrides ?
[09:11] <sedak> yes
[09:12] <Yagisan> I ask, because browsing through the deb with mc, it shows as a broken link
[09:12] <sedak> so that module-assistant know that it is a module package
[09:12] <sedak> yes
[09:12] <Yagisan> no probs
[09:12] <sedak> but it is a link into a file of module assistant package
[09:13] <sedak> and with the depends:, no problem anymore :-)
[09:13] <Yagisan> ok - I haven't needed to use module-assitant, so I thought it would be smart to ask
[09:14] <sedak> actually, the better way would be to tell the module-assistant maintainer to add rtl8081 to the static list of known module packages
[09:14] <sedak> but for now, this is a temporary decision
[09:26] <ivoks> evening
[09:28] <\sh> hey ivoks
[09:28] <ivoks> hey
[09:29] <ivoks> what's up?
[09:30] <\sh> strange things are going on ,-)
[09:30] <ivoks> hehe
[09:30] <\sh> the pope arrived in my area...and all our tv services are going crazy since then ,-)
[09:30] <ivoks> haha
[09:31] <\sh> and somehow all my light went off...*strange*
[09:31] <ivoks> now is time to catch up with ubuntu development
[09:32] <ivoks> talking about strange things... my modem responds to AT command, all AT command, except those ATDT and ATDP :)
[09:32] <\sh> hahaha
[09:33] <ivoks> but works in Windows :)
[09:33] <\sh> I just got shtoom with sipgate running :)
[09:41] <ivoks> omg
[09:41] <ivoks> trying to install nvidia-glx results in installing lvm and mdadm... WTF?
[09:42] <tseng> ivoks: you dont really need ATDT anyway
[09:42] <ivoks> tseng: i don't?
[09:42] <tseng> youd think you wanted to dial. or something.
[09:43] <ivoks> well, it's not important...
[09:44] <ivoks> i decided to buy ADSL for my house on sea side :)
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2005-08-24-#ubuntu-kernel
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[12:13] <jbailey> It's replacing an existing patch already that has the same name.
[12:13] <jbailey> So the load order should be already determined.
[12:14] <jbailey> (And I didn't play with it outside of that environment... I'd be hard pressed to remember how to build a kernel other than 'debuild' *g*)
[12:17] <BenC> ok :)
[12:20] <BenC> jbailey: is there a bug that this patch fixes?
[12:22] <jbailey> If bugzilla ever comes up, I'll let you know.../
[12:22] <jbailey> *sigh*
[12:38] <jbailey> BenC: 13535
[12:38] <jbailey> It occured to me that I could just search my email. =)
[06:09] <fabbione> morning
[06:17] <fabbione> BenC: did you commit the patch?
[06:17] <fabbione> or do i need to?
[06:18] <fabbione> argh
[06:18] <fabbione> he is not online
[06:18] <fabbione> jbailey: where is your patch?
[06:19] <jbailey> fabbione: My homedir on concordia
[06:19] <fabbione> ok
[06:19] <fabbione> thanks
BenC: Whenever you're back, the initramfs DSDT patch is in my homedir on concordia and is called drivers-acpi-osl_attach-dsdt-to-initrd.dpatch
[06:20] <fabbione> drivers-acpi-osl_attach-dsdt-to-initrd.dpatch ?
[06:20] <fabbione> ehhe
[06:20] <jbailey> Right. Replaces the current version.
[06:20] <jbailey> After 3 attempts to figure out how to call it something else, I gave up and gave it the same name. =)
[06:20] <fabbione> ahaha
[06:20] <jbailey> (I think you generate your patch lists somehow, but the kernel packaging makes gcc's look simple)
[06:21] <fabbione> yes we do..
[06:21] <fabbione> from 00list-$version to 00list
[06:21] <fabbione> because we support patching per arch and per flavour
[06:21] <fabbione> so we need to generate it dynamically
[06:22] <fabbione> dpatch isn't exactly working
[06:22] <fabbione> what do i need to add in the changelog?
[06:26] <fabbione> jb??
[06:26] <fabbione> what do i need to add in the changelog? <-
[06:30] <fabbione> ok nevermind.. i wrote something you lazy canadian :P
[06:42] <jbailey> Eh, I don't have a nick highlight on 'jb'
[06:42] <jbailey> =)
[06:42] <jbailey> *sleepy* Canadian.
[06:42] <fabbione> yeah right :)
[06:42] <fabbione> lazy lazy...
[06:42] <fabbione> :P
[06:42] <jbailey> Right.
[06:42] <jbailey> If I were less lazy, I'd have gotten up and gone to bed already.
[06:43] <fabbione> ahaha
[06:44] <jbailey> Sleep now
[06:48] <fabbione> night jeff!
[06:54] <fabbione> lamont: ping?
[06:54] <lamont> eep!
[06:55] <fabbione> lamont: i am on f11.. do we have enough pkgs to build the kernel in the breezy chroot?
[06:55] <fabbione> or do i still need to use hoary?
[06:56] <lamont> I think you can use breezy
[06:56] <lamont> ouch.
[06:56] <fabbione> heck i can't remember my passwd on f11
[06:56] <fabbione> grrr...
[06:56] <lamont> need to have gcc-3.4-hppa64 (still universe) installed in the chroot.
[06:56] <fabbione> lamont: can you reset it for me please?
[06:56] <lamont> hppa-hacks/expect-tcl8.3-dev_5.43.0-2_hppa.deb
[06:56] <lamont> hppa-hacks/expect-tcl8.3_5.43.0-2_hppa.deb
[06:56] <lamont> hppa-hacks/expectk-tk8.3_5.43.0-2_hppa.deb
[06:56] <lamont> hppa-hacks/gcc-3.4-hppa64_3.4.4-5ubuntu1_hppa.deb
[06:56] <lamont> hppa-hacks/palo_1.9_hppa.deb
[06:57] <lamont> that's all the universe-should-be-main packages that I have hacked in right now.
[06:57] <fabbione> otherwise i will just use hoary...
[06:57] <lamont> fabbione: sure
[06:57] <fabbione> just put a temp one that i can change on the fly
[06:57] <fabbione> i am already logged in
[06:58] <lamont> yeah, ISTR that sshkeys are the only way to actually login...
[06:59] <fabbione> yeah but i need the passwd for sudo :)
[06:59] <fabbione> so i can install the B-D
[06:59] <fabbione> or you can install them for me..
[06:59] <fabbione> i really don't care tbh 100%
[07:03] <fabbione> lamont: is the chroot reasonably updated?
[07:03] <fabbione> or do i need to upgrade it first?
[07:04] <lamont> hasn't been touched by me in forever
[07:04] <fabbione> ok
[07:04] <lamont> I'll let you fly it
[07:04] <fabbione> deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/ubuntu-hppa/tree hoary main restricted universe
[07:04] <fabbione> i guess this is not needed anymore..
[07:04] <fabbione> lamont: that's fine :)
[07:05] <lamont> and should not be present if breezy is
[07:05] <lamont> (it has .debs with diff md5sums, but the same name)
[07:05] <fabbione> i think you did create that chroot during the rebuild of breezy
[07:06] <lamont> so you may have to clone the hoary chroot, nuke /var/cache/apt/archives/*, fix /etc/apt/sources.list, and dist-upgrade
[07:06] <fabbione> for what i need, a dist-upgrade will do
[07:06] <lamont> maybe
[07:07] <fabbione> it's old enough that it's upgrading almost everything :)
[07:07] <lamont> if you get any bitching about md5sums on debs being wrong, remove the afflicted .deb :-)
[07:07] <fabbione> eheh yeah.. have been there before
[07:11] <fabbione> chroot breezy/ apt-get build-dep linux-source-2.6.12
[07:11] <fabbione> Reading package lists... Done
[07:11] <fabbione> Building dependency tree... Done
[07:11] <fabbione> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[07:11] <fabbione> i guess that's it :)
[07:17] <fabbione> ok. sparc and hppa building
[07:20] <fabbione> nice.. the latest OCFS2 will compile on sparc and hppa as well..
[07:22] <fabbione> and the others too now...
[07:55] <fabbione> hey Ben
[09:47] <Mithrandir> fabbione: what's the hold-up with 9157?
[09:48] <fabbione> Mithrandir: that the fix we did try, didn't work?
[09:49] <Mithrandir> I can't remember, it's been a whlie.
[09:49] <fabbione> yeah i do remember...
[09:49] <fabbione> that's why.. the patch doesn't help at all...
[09:49] <fabbione> but i don't know why
[09:50] <fabbione> we can ask BenC when he is awake...
[10:18] <Mithrandir> apparently, it should load i2o_core, but not i2o_block.
[10:18] <Mithrandir> what's responsible for loading sd_mod for instance? I think the same mechanism should be used to load i2o_block
[10:18] <fabbione> hotplug in theory
[10:19] <fabbione> but the point is that it loads correctly the driver for the card, but not the possible associated device manages
[10:19] <fabbione> managers
[10:19] <fabbione> if you load a scsi driver for card foo
[10:19] <fabbione> you don't know what's connected to it
[10:19] <fabbione> it could be a disk or a cdrom
[10:19] <Mithrandir> yeah
[10:20] <Mithrandir> ok, so hotplug should then traverse the device tree and look at what's connected and then load modules as appropriate?
[10:20] <fabbione> that's why initramfs parses /sys after to identify what needs to be loaded
[10:20] <fabbione> yup
[10:24] <Mithrandir> hm, I guess I should see if I can test that machine sometime in the future, then
[10:27] <fabbione> Mithrandir: initramfs atm doesn't check for i2o
[10:27] <fabbione> but it's trivial to implement
[10:27] <fabbione> that would solve your problem i think
[10:28] <fabbione> check in initramfs scripts/functions
[10:28] <fabbione> there is a call to scsi_init_something
[10:29] <fabbione> that's a little bash function that parses /sys in seek of scsi devices and modprobe
[10:29] <fabbione> the same can be done for i2o without any problem...
[10:43] <fabbione> ok ladies
[10:43] <fabbione> 7.11 is ready
[10:53] <Mithrandir> I think I have a fix for i2o, now I just need to get access to the box scheduled..
[12:12] <Mithrandir> fabbione: any idea where Xu's test kernel is?
[12:13] <fabbione> Mithrandir: he did upload already.. it's building mostlikely, waiting for pitti to bless the USN
[12:13] <Mithrandir> ok
[12:13] <fabbione> but i don't have the changelog
[12:13] <fabbione> so i don't know if he added the patch or not
[12:13] <fabbione> it's mostlikely in the archive already
[12:14] <fabbione> because sparc picked it up for building
[12:14] <Mithrandir> * Fixed sync_page_io bio leak in drivers/md/md.c (Neil Brown).
[12:14] <Mithrandir> yup
[12:14] <fabbione> cool
[12:14] <fabbione> food time
[12:52] <fabbione> hey BenC
[12:52] <fabbione> already awake?
[01:27] <Mithrandir> jbailey: does my i2o patch for initramfs look remotely sane?
[01:27] <jbailey> Mithrandir: I just got here, lemme look. =)
[01:28] <Mithrandir> ok
[01:29] <jbailey> Mithrandir: Where did you send it?
[01:31] <Mithrandir> jbailey: new bug
[01:32] <Mithrandir> 13806
[01:34] <jbailey> Yes, this looks right.
[01:34] <jbailey> Assuming that's where things are in /sys and such. I don't have i2o systems here.
[01:36] <Mithrandir> well, it's the only thing I saw which resembled a block device.
[01:36] <jbailey> Cool. Will you have a chance to test it, or should I just apply it?
[01:38] <Mithrandir> I can test it, but not for a while, that box is responsible for all the ads we're sending out here (which means it'll cost about 3000 EUR/day just in lost revenue if we take it down unplanned)
[01:43] <jbailey> Yup, fair enough.
[01:44] <jbailey> I'll just apply it for now then. It can't be worse than it is now.
[01:44] <Mithrandir> true
[01:44] <jbailey> And I don't see anything harmful in there.
[01:45] <jbailey> I won't upload just for this, though. I'll probably pull in the LVM fix first.
[02:08] <fabbione> what time is it in BenC land?
[02:10] <zul> heylo
[02:10] <fabbione> hey zul
[02:11] <fabbione> ok time to start uploading the kernel
[02:11] <fabbione> i can't wait forever
[02:12] <zul> you can do it!
[02:12] <mjg59> Woo kernel
[02:15] <fabbione> eheh
[02:17] <fabbione> accepted
[02:17] <fabbione> this time sparc will be the fastest arch to upload :)
[02:19] <zul> because there are only a couple of users? ;)
[02:22] <jbailey> zul: He'
[02:22] <jbailey> s probably primed the ccache. =)
[02:22] <zul> im evil
[02:22] <jbailey> doko: Quick! Upload gcc!
[02:26] <mjg59> fabbione: That's -7.11?
[02:26] <fabbione> yes
[02:27] <fabbione> jbailey: no.. even better.. i did a full sbuild while waiting.. the kernel was ready for upload this morning
[02:27] <jbailey> Ahahahah
[02:28] <fabbione> but i was waiting Ben for the baz dance and stuff
[02:28] <fabbione> so in the meanwhile i can start
[02:28] <fabbione> it always takes a few hours before it's builded on all 4 arches
[02:42] <TheMuso> c
[02:43] <zul> hey ben
[02:46] <fabbione> hey BenC
[02:46] <fabbione> TheMuso: you are not the only one in this chan :)
[02:46] <TheMuso> Just realised that. :S
[02:49] <BenC> weird
[02:49] <BenC> not sure why I keep getting disconnected
[02:49] <BenC> fabbione: ready to do this kernel?
[02:49] <fabbione> BenC: yes..
[02:50] <fabbione> i did upload the kernel in the meanwhile
[02:50] <fabbione> all the rest needs to be done
[02:50] <fabbione> as it stands now, preX,11 branch is finished
[02:50] <fabbione> so it's like you completed your devel cycle
[02:51] <fabbione> i usually wait for katie to get the ACCEPT message and only after tag/prepare the new devel branch
[02:51] <fabbione> so when you are ready we can start the baz dance
[02:51] <BenC> let's do it
[02:52] <fabbione> ok..
[02:52] <fabbione> the first thing to do is to get mainline...
[02:52] <BenC> bass line
[02:52] <fabbione> ahah
[02:52] <fabbione> [email protected]/kernel-debian--mainline--2.6.12
[02:52] <fabbione> since it's the first time:
[02:53] <fabbione> baz get [email protected]/kernel-debian--mainline--2.6.12 debian-mainline
[02:53] <fabbione> store it whenever you want..
[02:53] <fabbione> it doesn't need to be in the kernel source
[02:55] <BenC> ok
[02:55] <fabbione> tell me when you have done that..
[02:55] <BenC> it's done
[02:55] <fabbione> ok
[02:55] <fabbione> now we merge from the pre branch
[02:56] <fabbione> baz merge [email protected]/kernel-debian--preX,11--2.6.12
[02:56] <fabbione> you do that inside the debian-mainline dir you just got
[02:57] <fabbione> this will take some time...
[02:57] <fabbione> it's a quite slow operation
[02:57] <BenC> ok...
[02:57] <fabbione> in the meantime i suggest you check your enviroment on people.u.c to be sure 100% that your umask is set to 002
[02:57] <fabbione> for sftp operation
[02:58] <BenC> before or after I do this?
[02:58] <fabbione> during...
[02:58] <BenC> ok, did that
[02:58] <fabbione> it's important the umask is set before you commit
[02:59] <BenC> and the merge is done
[02:59] <fabbione> for reading it's no problem
[02:59] <fabbione> ok
[02:59] <fabbione> did you get any conflict?
[02:59] <BenC> nope
[02:59] <fabbione> ok.. now you can commit...
[02:59] <fabbione> baz commit -s'2.6.12-7.11'
[02:59] <fabbione> -s is the comment...
[02:59] <fabbione> or commit log or whatever
[03:00] <fabbione> baz doesn't spawn a nice editor to make commit logs
[03:00] <fabbione> it's sort of retarded that way
[03:00] <BenC> ok, that finished, but the last line was
[03:00] <BenC> arch: no arch user id set
[03:00] <BenC> that a warning?
[03:00] <fabbione> hmmmm
[03:00] <BenC> or did it fail
[03:00] <fabbione> what's the output of baz my-id ?
[03:01] <BenC> arch: no arch user id set
[03:01] <fabbione> ok
[03:01] <fabbione> baz my-id Fabio M. Di Nitto <[email protected]>
[03:01] <BenC> some env I need to set?
[03:01] <fabbione> or whatever fits better to you
[03:01] <fabbione> the commit did fail...
[03:01] <fabbione> or it didn't go trough
[03:01] <fabbione> also remmeber your gpg private key
[03:01] <fabbione> you need to sign the commit
[03:02] <fabbione> otherwise it fails even worst
[03:04] <BenC> * committed [email protected]/kernel-debian--mainline--2.6.12--patch-10
[03:04] <fabbione> what's your keyid?
[03:04] <BenC> "Ben Collins <[email protected]>"
[03:05] <BenC> 60E80B5B
[03:05] <fabbione> sorry... i mean the 0x..
[03:05] <fabbione> yeah
[03:06] <BenC> so the "--patch-10" is something that baz adds? is that like a revision level?
[03:07] <fabbione> it's like the amount of commits on that branch
[03:07] <fabbione> sort of -rXXXX in svn
[03:07] <BenC> right
[03:07] <fabbione> it's added automatically normaly
[03:07] <fabbione> but you can use it to retrive specific revisions
[03:07] <fabbione> and stuff like that
[03:07] <fabbione> ok.. now
[03:08] <fabbione> we need to tag and prepare the next devel branch
[03:08] <fabbione> do a baz abrowse
[03:08] <fabbione> very useful command to see all the branches in that repo
[03:09] <fabbione> now.. baz as tla sucks hard on how you can name branches..
[03:09] <fabbione> specially when it goes to . - and stuff like that
[03:09] <BenC> lots of them
[03:09] <fabbione> yup
[03:11] <BenC> ok, ready to create a branch
[03:11] <fabbione> baz branch [email protected]/kernel-debian--mainline--2.6.12 [email protected]/kernel-debian--mainline-2,6,12-7,11-00
[03:11] <fabbione> yes sorry.. connection to uk is slow from here..
[03:11] <fabbione> it was still abrowsing
[03:11] <fabbione> this will create the tag
[03:11] <fabbione> no!
[03:11] <fabbione> there is an weeoe
[03:11] <fabbione> error
[03:11] <BenC> ok
[03:11] <fabbione> baz branch [email protected]/kernel-debian--mainline--2.6.12 [email protected]/kernel-debian--mainline-2,6,12-7,11--0
[03:11] <fabbione> there
[03:12] <fabbione> note how . - and , change
[03:12] <BenC> that's the tag for the last release, right?
[03:13] <fabbione> yes, that's correct
[03:13] <BenC> done
[03:13] <fabbione> ok
[03:13] <fabbione> now let's create the branch for the new devel
[03:13] <fabbione> baz branch [email protected]/kernel-debian--mainline--2.6.12 [email protected]/kernel-debian--preX,12--2.6.12
[03:14] <BenC> done
[03:14] <fabbione> perfect
[03:14] <fabbione> now.. go in you kernel source debian/
[03:15] <fabbione> (that i guess you manage with baz)...
[03:15] <fabbione> baz switch [email protected]/kernel-debian--preX,12--2.6.12
[03:15] <fabbione> brb.. wife is calling...
[03:19] <fabbione> re
[03:19] <fabbione> tell me when you are done...
[03:19] <BenC> done
[03:20] <fabbione> ok just one second that i will fix one small thing in the rules file
[03:20] <fabbione> it will make your life simpler :)
[03:21] <fabbione> if you notice at the end of the rules file there are some "I am lazy BOFH" targets to help you do some boring tasks
[03:21] <fabbione> one of them is startnewrelease
[03:21] <fabbione> (that i am fixing now)
[03:22] <fabbione> that's the first command you run on a new devl branch...
[03:22] <fabbione> arch_commit: unable to acquire revision lock (internal error in archive-pfs.c(pfs_lock_revision))
[03:22] <fabbione> GRRRr
[03:23] <BenC> unless .bash_profile isn't getting loaded
[03:23] <fabbione> BenC did you set it at the top or the bottom?
[03:23] <BenC> top
[03:23] <BenC> I just changed what was already there
[03:23] <fabbione> 4 drwxr-xr-x 3 bcollins warthogs 4096 Aug 19 14:14 kernel-debian--preX,12--2.6.12
[03:24] <fabbione> yeah.. it didn't load..
[03:24] <fabbione> let me check where i do it...
[03:24] <fabbione> i do it in .bashrc
[03:24] <fabbione> that's because sftp doesn't load .bash_profile
[03:25] <fabbione> so i need you to do some chmod on people :)
[03:25] <fabbione> cd /home/lamont/public_html/Archives/[email protected]
[03:25] <BenC> yeah, doing it now
[03:25] <fabbione> yeah
[03:25] <fabbione> we need it in all the branches/commit you do
[03:25] <BenC> done
[03:26] <BenC> $ find . -user bcollins | xargs chmod g+w
[03:26] <BenC> should get everything
[03:26] <fabbione> it did
[03:26] <fabbione> ok get the change i did to rules and run that makenewrelease as user
[03:27] <fabbione> no need of fakeroot
[03:27] <BenC> added umask to my bashrc too
[03:27] <fabbione> perfect :)
[03:28] <fabbione> it should basically: create the new changelog entry, add debian/patches/00list-* stuff
[03:28] <fabbione> you might want to correct the info in the changelog for the name
[03:28] <fabbione> they depend on your passwd file..
[03:29] <fabbione> but clearly, modify them as you wish
[03:29] <fabbione> these were ok for me.. they might be useless or not enough for you
[03:30] <BenC> startnewrelease?
[03:30] <fabbione> yeah
[03:30] <fabbione> make -f debian/rules startnewrelease
[03:31] <BenC> done
[03:31] <fabbione> ok.. now..
[03:31] <fabbione> baz lint
[03:31] <fabbione> it will tell you if there are files in the archive that are not in rcs
[03:31] <BenC> no output
[03:31] <fabbione> ok
[03:31] <fabbione> baz diff
[03:31] <fabbione> so you can see what has been done
[03:32] <BenC> changes related startnewrelease
[03:32] <fabbione> perfect
[03:32] <fabbione> now.. we did bump the abi
[03:32] <BenC> already been using that command :)
[03:32] <fabbione> so there is a manual step to do
[03:32] <fabbione> ehe ok.. since i don't know how much you know about baz.. i go step by step..
[03:33] <fabbione> go in debian/abi
[03:33] <BenC> ok
[03:33] <fabbione> baz mv 2.6.12-6.10 2.6.12-7.11
[03:33] <fabbione> once you have done that, commit
[03:33] <BenC> the whole tree?
[03:33] <fabbione> ?
[03:33] <BenC> not just the abi change, right?
[03:33] <fabbione> no no.. the whole tree
[03:34] <fabbione> this is to start a new release after an abi change..
[03:34] <fabbione> the most complex case basically
[03:34] <fabbione> so once you get this one right.. the others will be a breeze..
[03:34] <fabbione> tell me when you are done with the commits...
[03:35] <fabbione> so i can add the new abi files
[03:35] <BenC> done
[03:35] <fabbione> ok gimme a couple of minutes now...
[03:35] <fabbione> in future, when we have abi changes, you will have to take care of i386/amd64/ppc/ia64..
[03:36] <fabbione> that's what you are mandate to :)
[03:36] <fabbione> i will take care of hppa/sparc
[03:36] <fabbione> since it's non-paied porting job
[03:36] <fabbione> but clearly..
[03:36] <fabbione> if you take care of them too.. you will become a Kernel Hero :)
[03:38] <BenC> well, I have both systems here, so I can probably squeeze them out once I settle in to the "have to do" stuff :)
[03:38] <fabbione> well it's simple
[03:38] <fabbione> we officially support only 3 arches
[03:38] <fabbione> i386/amd64/ppc
[03:39] <fabbione> so the rest is work that should come from the community
[03:39] <fabbione> given that i will get pobably ia64 and hppa, and that i love sparc...
[03:39] <fabbione> i took care of them as well
[03:39] <fabbione> it's not high cost to run a build in parallel
[03:39] <fabbione> ia64 is at the DC
[03:39] <fabbione> hppa ping me or lamont
[03:39] <fabbione> sparc we can both do i guess
[03:40] <BenC> amd64 is the only thing I am missing locally
[03:40] <fabbione> BenC: tough.. i only have i386 and sparc :)
[03:40] <fabbione> you build it at the DC
[03:41] <fabbione> somebody will test for you
[03:41] <fabbione> and for what i suggest.. build and work as much as you can on the DC machines
[03:41] <fabbione> they are fast :)
[03:46] <fabbione> ok done
[03:46] <fabbione> BenC: update.. and you are good to go with the next kernel
[03:47] <fabbione> now we need to look at all the surronding of an abi change...
[03:47] <fabbione> BenC: ssh to chinstrap and go to fabbione@chinstrap:~/benc
[03:48] <fabbione> i did prepare all the pkgs for you already signed
[03:48] <fabbione> since i didn't know if you already have upload privileges
[03:48] <fabbione> when changing the abi the sequence to do is:
[03:48] <fabbione> kernel
[03:49] <fabbione> linux-restricted-modules
[03:49] <fabbione> and in no preferred order linux-meta and debian-installer
[03:49] <BenC> ok
[03:49] <fabbione> now.. as soon as the kernel is built on all arches
[03:49] <BenC> what exactly is changed in each of those?
[03:49] <fabbione> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/l/linux-source-2.6.12/ <-
[03:49] <fabbione> linux-restricted-modules is a pain package
[03:50] <fabbione> you need to modify changelog/control.stub/control/rules
[03:50] <fabbione> control and control.stub you need to updated the B-D
[03:50] <fabbione> sed -i -e 's/2.6.12-6/2.6.12-7/g' control.stub
[03:50] <fabbione> will do
[03:50] <fabbione> the REAL pain is rules
[03:51] <fabbione> you need to look at the beginning where there are a bunch of _MINORS=
[03:51] <fabbione> you need to bump these one manually
[03:51] <fabbione> there are 3 or 4 iirc
[03:51] <fabbione> than you just sign and upload
[03:51] <zul> (NOTE from Fabio: this cool guy did push me something that updates
[03:51] <zul> drivers-acpi-osl_attach-dsdt-to-initrd.dpatch, but i guess he falled
[03:51] <zul> over his keyboard before giving me the data for this entry... duh!)
[03:51] <zul> shouldnt that be fell?
[03:51] <zul> :)
[03:52] <fabbione> linux-meta needs a one char change in debian/rules i think
[03:52] <fabbione> it's documented and there is only one place where the abi num is reflected
[03:52] <fabbione> for d-i i usually ping Kamion
[03:53] <fabbione> i don't upload d-i myself.. but he is in holidays now and he gave me the list of things to do
[03:53] <fabbione> in general it's always a grep/sed for the previous ABI
[03:53] <fabbione> now.. the other pain are the seeds
[03:53] <fabbione> the seeds are lists of binary pkgs that are used to move pkgs from universe to main
[03:53] <fabbione> BenC: yeah that's the best :)
[03:54] <fabbione> BenC: we are not allowed (usually) to make arbitrary changes in there
[03:54] <fabbione> that's mdz and Kamion business
[03:54] <fabbione> but..
[03:54] <fabbione> there are a few entries that are names Kernel-Version that are there only for us :)
[03:55] <fabbione> BenC: register the archive i did paste to you
[03:55] <fabbione> that's where the seeds live
[03:55] <fabbione> and get this branch seeds--breezy--0
[03:56] <fabbione> baz get [email protected]/seeds--breezy--0 seeds
[03:56] <fabbione> i already updated them for -7 so if you grep for 2.6.12-7 you will see what needs to be changed where
[03:57] <fabbione> so that's basically it
[03:57] <BenC> cool
[03:57] <fabbione> and when you do normal uploads without ABI changes.. you just upload..
[03:57] <fabbione> now one important trick
[03:57] <fabbione> let's make them 2/3 :)
[03:58] <fabbione> when you need to change ABI, bitch always elmo/mdz in advance
[03:58] <fabbione> they need to NEW all the pkgs
[03:58] <fabbione> get them all ready in advance.. the kernel takes hours to build.. even on the buildd...
[03:58] <fabbione> learn the way of baz cacherev :)
[03:59] <BenC> what is that?
[03:59] <fabbione> each time you do 5/6 commits.. run a baz cacherev
[03:59] <BenC> ah, speeds things up?
[03:59] <fabbione> it will create a cached revision both locally and in the archive..
[03:59] <fabbione> yeps..
[03:59] <fabbione> i usually do it every 5/6 commits
[03:59] <fabbione> and at the beginning of each branch
[04:00] <fabbione> on mainline every 2/3 releases...
[04:00] <fabbione> BenC: i would like to stop for an hour or so now and take a nap
[04:00] <BenC> sure
[04:00] <BenC> I've got plenty to do
[04:00] <fabbione> i would like you to keep an eye on the buildd's
[04:00] <BenC> thanks
[04:00] <fabbione> ping elmo to get the kernel newed
[04:00] <BenC> where can I find progress for the buildd's?
[04:01] <fabbione> and if they get in the archive before i wake up.. to upload linux-restricted-.modules from chinstrap
[04:01] <fabbione> you need to use jackass to upload
[04:01] <fabbione> lftp jackass
[04:01] <fabbione> mput linux-restricted*
[04:01] <fabbione> and that's it
[04:01] <BenC> ok
[04:01] <fabbione> there is no progress yet
[04:01] <fabbione> you just keep an eye on the build logs
[04:01] <fabbione> as soon as the 3 main arches are done, you upload l-r-m
[04:02] <BenC> ok
[04:03] <fabbione> there are no l-r-m for ia64/sparc/hppa..
[04:03] <fabbione> so it's pointless to wait :)
[04:07] <fabbione> i am off for a bit..
[04:11] <zul> BenC: in the past i push various bug fixes to fabbione, do you mind registering my archive as well?
[04:12] <zul> http://zulinux.homelinux.net/arch/[email protected]
[04:12] <zul> thanks
[04:22] <BenC> sure thing
[04:28] <zul> oh its the quebecker :)
[04:31] <jbailey_> ... and promptly uses it to eat vegan poutine.
[05:07] <zul> yummmy...vegan putone...not..
[05:13] <jbailey_> Vegan gravy can be okay.
[05:13] <jbailey_> Vegan cheese is generally.... not.
[05:22] <BenC> jbailey: do you still have that patch?
[05:23] <jbailey_> BenC: The kernel one?
[05:23] <jbailey_> It's still in my homedir on concordia
[05:23] <BenC> ok
[05:43] <fabbione> re
[05:43] <fabbione> jb, BenC: i did apply that patch already in 7.11
[05:44] <fabbione> how do we look otherwise?
[05:44] <fabbione> missing ppc
[05:51] <fabbione> that would have been jbailey
[05:51] <fabbione> NICKHIGHLIGHT
[05:58] <jbailey_> fabbione: Eh?
[05:58] <jbailey_> fabbione: I'm not sure what respone you're looking for. =)
[05:58] <jbailey_> "Cool, thanks" =)
[05:58] <fabbione> jbailey: your initramfs patch is already part of 7.11
[05:59] <fabbione> you won the last entry in the changelog...
[05:59] <fabbione> or almost ;)
[05:59] <jbailey_> As in, I got in by the skin of my teeth? =)
[05:59] <fabbione> as in "you didn't answer to me this morning for a changelong entry"
[06:00] <jbailey_> Oh, whups. =)
[06:00] <fabbione> but the patch made 7.11
[06:02] <fabbione> oh speaking of bugs..
[06:03] <fabbione> who wants to close them in bugzilla
[06:03] <fabbione> ?
[06:03] <fabbione> zul: i know you love that ;)
[06:03] <jbailey_> "Make initramfs and dsdt not suck. Side effect: initrd and dsdt will suck, but mjg59 said that it's okay"
[06:04] <fabbione> too late :)
[06:04] <fabbione> the kernel is up already
[06:07] <fabbione> Changes by Jeff Bailey:
[06:07] <fabbione> * (NOTE from Fabio: this cool guy did push me something that updates
[06:07] <fabbione> drivers-acpi-osl_attach-dsdt-to-initrd.dpatch, but i guess he falled
[06:07] <fabbione> over his keyboard before giving me the data for this entry... duh!)
[06:07] <fabbione> (Closes: #13535)
[06:07] <fabbione> you won this entry...
[06:08] <jbailey_> Cool. My next glibc upload should have The "Hey Fabio, It's fell, not falled" release. on it. =)
[06:08] <zul> lol!!
[06:08] <fabbione> ahha
[06:08] <fabbione> yeah.. sure!
[06:08] <fabbione> i like changelog "war" ;)
[06:09] <mjg59> fabbione: x86 seems to have made the archive. Thanks!
[06:09] <fabbione> mjg59: so does amd64
[06:09] <jbailey_> Yeah, but ever since mailirat, everthing is is just small skirmishes. =)
[06:09] <fabbione> only ppc/ia64/hppa are still building
[06:09] <fabbione> marillat is french.. that says it all
[06:10] <jbailey_> What, that he's really just a gtk bug? =)
[06:10] <fabbione> worst.... ;)
[06:14] <mjg59> fabbione: Excellent
[07:12] <jbailey> mjg59: Does the -7 contain the acpi hacking that might fix STR that used to work? You had said you didn't think you had time for it, so suspected no.
[08:12] <mjg59> jbailey: It should do
[08:12] <mjg59> But acpi-support needs to be updated as well
[08:15] <mjg59> Hmm. Interesting.
[08:15] <mjg59> Something's changed and breaks bootup on this Toshiba now
[08:15] <mjg59> It probes ide0 and then hangs
[08:15] <mjg59> Oh, no, it just takes FOREVER
[08:16] <mjg59> So it's the same problem it had before. Never mind
[08:16] <jbailey> Joy. At least it's not another initramfs bug. =)
[08:22] <zul> i didnt do it
[08:31] <fabbione> me neither
[08:31] <zul> i blame foo
[08:33] <fabbione> BenC: are you back online?
[08:52] <zul> i guess not
[08:59] <zul> holy lag batman
[09:15] <fabbione> BenC: dude???
[09:15] <BenC> damn this connection sucks
[09:15] <BenC> I keep typing and no one is responding
[09:15] <fabbione> yeah we noticed..
[09:15] <BenC> then it finally cycles
[09:15] <fabbione> specially my wife that would like to have a word or 2 with you disappearing :)
[09:16] <fabbione> we were supposed to be at a concert now...
[09:16] <fabbione> forced here by the ABI bump :)
[09:16] <fabbione> not that i mind.. it was a danish crappy group
[09:16] <fabbione> but she did :)
[09:16] <zul> abba?
[09:16] <fabbione> BenC: anyway.. everything went into place..
[09:17] <fabbione> zul: no.. i can't recall the name.. some solo retarded singer..
[09:17] <fabbione> female kind of singers...
[09:17] <BenC> hehe, sorry
[09:18] <zul> heh scandanavians have crappy pop bands
[09:20] <zul> abba, aqua...all crap
[09:20] <fabbione> zul: SafriDuo..
[09:20] <fabbione> should we talk about them???
[09:22] <fabbione> so i guess Benc did fall from the net again
[09:22] <zul> never heard of them thankfully
[09:23] <fabbione> i am pretty sure you did
[09:23] <fabbione> i am ready to bet...
[09:24] <zul> nope..
[09:24] <zul> i wouldnt listen to crap
[09:25] <fabbione> http://www.safriduo.dk/
[09:28] <zul> oh darn i need flash...i dont have flash at work ;)
[09:35] <fabbione> night guys
[09:35] <fabbione> i am crashing
[09:35] <fabbione> cya monday
[09:35] <zul> c ta
[09:38] <zul> i off as well c ya
[10:40] <mdz> where is BenC?
[10:40] <crimsun> his client timed out.
[10:40] <mdz> 2.6.12-7 has broken unionfs
[10:41] <mdz> I am going to need to roll back the whole thing unless someone can give me a hint where it went wrong
[11:04] <BenC> fabbione: any ideas on the unionfs regression between 6.10 and 7.11?
[11:07] <mdz> fabbione collapsed in a heap
[11:07] <BenC> not surprising, he's been pulling some late hours
[11:07] <mdz> I see nothing in the changelog or a naive diff which looks related
[11:07] <mdz> but then, I have no way to even see which files changed from one rev to another
[11:07] <mdz> do you guys have any better tools for that?
[11:08] <mdz> the naive diff is 400k lines
[11:08] <BenC> can you diff between branches?
[11:08] <mdz> yes
[11:08] <BenC> run it through diffstat
[11:08] <mdz> but that's only going to show you which dpatches changed
[11:08] <mdz> not which files in the kernel tree
[11:08] <mdz> I can tell that from the changelog
[11:08] <BenC> true
[11:08] <mdz> the other possibility is a gcc issue, since doko just updated that
[11:09] <BenC> yeah, I think gcc is at fault for atleast one other bug (k7 optimized, crash in inotify)
[11:09] <mdz> 3.4.4-6ubuntu4 is the version used for the build
[11:09] <mdz> that's the old one
[11:09] <mdz> so it isn't that
[11:11] <BenC> only thing I see related to unionfs in the changelog is
[11:11] <BenC> * Add unionfs-modules udeb:
[11:12] <mdz> yes, which is a packaging change, and doesn't affect the linux-image .deb
[11:13] <BenC> right
[11:16] <mdz> if we're going to track 2.6.12.x, at the very least we need to release a new Ubuntu version for each upstream version
[11:16] <mdz> including this high volume of changes in each upload makes regressions difficult to isolate
[11:17] <BenC> yeah
[11:17] <BenC> is there an updated unionfs?
[11:17] <BenC> not even sure where the patches came from
[11:18] <mdz> no, there isn't
[11:18] <mdz> they come from ftp://ftp.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu/pub/unionfs/
[11:18] <mdz> as should be documented in external-drivers
[11:19] <doko> mdz: no code changes in today's gcc-3.4 upload, and the added include dirs are still empty
[11:19] <BenC> ah, good file
[11:20] <mdz> doko: what about in ubuntu3?
[11:21] <mdz> 2.6.12-6.10 was built with _3.4.4-6ubuntu2
[11:21] <mdz> 2.6.12-7.11 was built with 3.4.4-6ubuntu4
[11:21] <mdz> today's upload was ubuntu5
[11:21] <mdz> so definitely today's upload is unrelated
[11:21] <mdz> hmm, there is no ubuntu3 in the changelog
[11:23] <doko> no, ubuntu3 was something internal preparing the biarch uploads. never hit the archives
[11:26] <lamont> GSI 42 (level, low) -> CPU 0 (0x0000) vector 52
[11:26] <lamont> ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:a0:03.0[A] -> GSI 42 (level, low) -> IRQ 52
[11:26] <lamont> hrm... something tells me there should be more output after that... :-(
[11:26] <doko> mdz: do we keep the uploads somewhere? I'm currently handicaped with a defect computer in repair
[11:27] <mdz> doko: what uploads?
[11:27] <doko> source uploads to breezy
[11:27] <mdz> morgue
[11:31] <BenC> no compiler warnings from unionfs compile
[11:31] <mdz> I'm testing with the latest unionfs snapshot just for kicks
[11:31] <mdz> they do a snapshot after every commit
[11:33] <BenC> where did the externa-fs-unionfs-fixups.dpatch come from?
[11:33] <BenC> those pulled from unionfs CVS?
[11:34] <mdz> no change
[11:34] <mdz> BenC: yes
[11:34] <mdz> in order to fix a regression
[11:34] <BenC> and it's odd that it is still needed after so many updates to the main unionfs
[11:34] <mdz> unionfs is not exactly solid at present
[11:34] <BenC> it was pulled in 2.6.11.91-1.1
[11:34] <mdz> but they are building a pretty good regression test suite as the ygo
[11:35] <mdz> they go
[11:35] <BenC> pulled in
[11:40] <mdz> BenC: where do we go from here to debug this?
[11:46] <BenC> why haven't the tracing the kernel
[11:46] <BenC> oops
[11:46] <BenC> tracing the kernel
[11:47] <doko> argh, I pulled the Debian cvs update in 3.4.4-6ubuntu4. there are three fixes, which touch code generation (fixing regressions). does it help you to make a build with these reverted?
[11:47] <BenC> I have it reproducing in my vmware install
[11:47] <BenC> hmm
[11:47] <BenC> yeah, do you have the ubuntu2 packages still?
[11:48] <doko> no, my computer is in repair, I don't know, if I do have them. I cannot find them on morgue.u.c
[11:50] <mdz> 2005-08-12/gcc-3.4_3.4.4-6ubuntu2_i386.deb
[11:54] <mdz> BenC: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/gcc-3.4/
[11:56] <doko> mdz: where did you get these? locate couldn't find that on morgue
[11:56] <mdz> doko: see #-devel
I stopped morgue syncing because it would run rookery out of sapce
[11:59] <BenC> mdz: I'll have this figured out by tomorrow
[11:59] <BenC> I'll try the older gcc first, if that isn't it, I'll start tracing the driver
[12:01] <mdz> ok, I'm going to work on getting a fallback bind-mount solution in place for ltsp
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[03:16] <Madpilot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LocalSpellingWords <-- anyone have a clue what the heck this is? It looks like garbage to me...
[03:18] <mgalvin> i think it has to do with the wikis spell checking ability, but i don't know if this page is relevant anymore
[03:18] <Madpilot> ah. Didn't even know the wiki had a spellchecker!
[03:18] <mgalvin> i would ask the list about this one
[03:19] <Madpilot> will do. it's about time I made my first post to the doclist anyway!
[03:55] <jsgotangco> hi
[06:18] <rob^> dam a colony 3 install takes a long time..
[08:26] <judax> Hi all
[08:28] <rob^> hey
[08:40] <highvoltage> hi
[08:52] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: ping?
[08:53] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: pong
[08:54] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: are you updating the troubleshooting guide?
[08:55] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: yes, it's about 25% between version 1 and version 2.
[08:55] <highvoltage> there will also be a tuxlab administration guide.
[08:56] <highvoltage> soon :)
[08:56] <jsgotangco> hmm ok i wil leave out on the troubleshooting guide for now and polish the other docs
[08:56] <jsgotangco> but we will definitely need it for edubuntu
[08:57] <highvoltage> yes, the tuxlab setup is a bit different from edubuntu. i'm going to try to get as much of the tuxlab setup in edubuntu as possible, but i'm sure we'll make a plan around the documentation.
[08:57] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: what's your local time there? perhaps we can talk about it tonight. i'm at work now (morning here)
[08:57] <jsgotangco> ok becuase its going to be our centerpiece for sure
[08:58] <jsgotangco> i'm in +8 so its only 3pm now
[08:58] <jsgotangco> but its a friday i can stay up late
[08:58] <highvoltage> ok. I'm in +2, so by the time it's tonight here, it will be this morning there :)
[08:59] <highvoltage> no, sorry, i'm confused, you're in +8, not -8 :)
[08:59] <highvoltage> ok see you tonight then.
[08:59] <jsgotangco> yeah its not that much so we'll still manage to talk later
[08:59] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: where are you located? i thought you were in the US?
[09:00] <jsgotangco> no i'm in Manila now
[09:00] <jsgotangco> although I did grew up in the US
[09:33] <jsgotangco> brb
[10:05] <mdke> rob^, around?
[10:05] <rob^> yep
[10:05] <rob^> whats up?
[10:06] <mdke> rob^, i have been thinking about doing some reviewing, i noticed that many sections of the faqguide are marked finished, does that mean no review is needed?
[10:07] <rob^> they are leftovers from before I took over
[10:07] <mdke> ah
[10:07] <rob^> I'll let the mailing list know when its ready
[10:07] <mdke> ready for review?
[10:07] <mdke> that would be great
[10:07] <rob^> yes
[10:07] <mdke> thanks, will you update the status then?
[10:07] <rob^> what are we using for the status?
[10:08] <mdke> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamWork
[10:08] <rob^> yep
[10:08] <mdke> status report for the faqguide is here: http://65.19.178.132/gnome/status/faq-report.html
[10:08] <rob^> I'm going through the guide now checking for accuracy, one I'm done it should be ready for review
[10:09] <mdke> ok great, thanks
[10:10] <mdke> just looking at the structure
[10:10] <rob^> what do you think?
[10:10] <mdke> looks good
[10:10] <mdke> i would say games are applications though
[10:10] <Madpilot> rob^: is the completed FAQ going to have a longer Introduction than just the one line Abstract it's got now?
[10:11] <rob^> mdke, yeah, I've been tossing up how to do this
[10:11] <mdke> i like the structure in general though
[10:11] <rob^> Madpilot, not at this stage..
[10:11] <rob^> Madpilot, what did you have in mind?
[10:11] <mdke> i don't really like the tips and tricks being a separate section, but i guess it would be too difficult to merge it into the other structure
[10:12] <rob^> the tips and tricks section is also a leftover from ubuntuguide.org
[10:12] <rob^> I'll take a look at it
[10:12] <Madpilot> rob^: I was just thinking that a short Intro might be a bit more new-user-friendly than the revision table, ToC & Abstract.
[10:13] <rob^> This document is a compilation of questions that are commonly asked by users who are new to Ubuntu and the answers to these questions.
[10:13] <rob^> thats what we have now
[10:14] <rob^> Madpilot, if you want to rewrite it go ahead, I can add it for you if your not sure about docbook
[10:15] <Madpilot> rob^: haven't ever touched docbook - how about just a couple of lines at the head of the Preface? "Welcome to Ubuntu, etc etc"
[10:16] <Madpilot> I'll get some ideas together tomorrow - it's late here now - and post to the doc list
[10:16] <rob^> well, seeing at it will be the first page Yelp will open, I can't see why not
[10:16] <rob^> ok sounds good
[10:19] <Madpilot> good - I'll get something to doc-list tomorrow.
[10:20] <Madpilot> need sleep - night, all
[10:23] <rob^> cya
[02:11] <mdke> rob^, something occurred to me if you're still here
[02:12] <mdke> rob^, i was thinking that you could mark some bits of the guide for review already, if there are some appropriate sections, it doesn't have to be all released for review at the same time
[02:12] <mdke> that's why we have the review, writing, finished distinctions
[03:13] <mgalvin> hi all
[03:14] <highvoltage> hi mgalvin
[04:53] <jsgotangco> hi mdke
[04:54] <mpt> hi jsgotangco, any luck with baz?
[04:54] <mdke> hello
[04:56] <jsgotangco> mpt: no luck at all
[04:59] <mdke> mpt, how do you intend to publish UbuntuHelp?
[04:59] <jsgotangco> mdke: i don't think it'll be ready for breezy
[04:59] <mdke> jsgotangco, mpt said yesterday that it would
[05:00] <mdke> or the day before
[05:00] <mdke> perhaps I misunderstood though
[05:00] <jsgotangco> given its state, im not so optimistic, its really nice though
[05:00] <mpt> Well, to be honest, I have no idea how packaging works
[05:01] <mdke> mpt, so you intend to publish it in the distribution?
[05:02] <mpt> but I think the writing should be finished by September
[05:02] <mpt> Well, I'd like it to go in, yes
[05:02] <mdke> mpt, where would you put it?
[05:03] <jsgotangco> i'd really like the team to get involved in Ubuntu Help
[05:03] <jsgotangco> so in my mind, Breezy +1 is a good target for it
[05:04] <jsgotangco> but its mpt's call
[05:04] <mpt> As in, where in the filesystem, or where repository-wise, or where in the yelp taxonomy, or what?
[05:04] <mdke> mpt, the last one
[05:04] <mdke> how would the user access it
[05:05] <mpt> Well, ideally as shown in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaunchpadIntegration?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=system-help-menu.jpg :-)
[05:05] <mpt> but I guess both the distro people and the rest of the docs team may have other ideas
[05:06] <mdke> yeah that would cause a conflict with the documentation team stuff
[05:06] <jsgotangco> mpt: i'd really like to defer it for breezy +1
[05:06] <mdke> because our stuff would also appear there ;)
[05:06] <jsgotangco> we can write a better spec for it for sure
[05:07] <mdke> well if the doc is gonna be released with breezy, we should sort that issue out early to avoid any uglyness over whose docs appear where
[05:09] <mpt> mmm, I should finish https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/LaunchpadIntegrationHelpPage
[05:11] <mdke> that picture misses out the "System" menu
[05:12] <mpt> hehe, no it doesn't
[05:12] <mpt> The System menu is the one with the Ubuntu logo :-)
[05:12] <mpt> (More wishful thinking on my part)
[05:12] <mdke> ah
[05:13] <jsgotangco> you've changed gnome
[05:13] <mdke> yeah i don't like that particular idea ;)
[05:14] <jsgotangco> ubuntu is supposed to integrate what is available, not change it
[05:15] <mpt> Who decides "supposed"?
[05:15] <mpt> Ubuntu's menus are already different from vanilla Gnome
[05:16] <mpt> (the "Places" menu in particular)
[05:16] <mdke> the places menu is in vanilla gnome afaik
[05:17] <jsgotangco> well ok it may have some differences from plain gnome but changing it totally is not in sync with gnome's vision of a unified look and feel irregardless of platform
[05:18] <mdke> heh
[05:20] <mpt> "vision of a unified look and feel irregardless of platform"?
[05:20] <mpt> Wow, that brings back memories
[05:20] <mpt> Netscape circa 1999
[05:21] <jsgotangco> ok so its a 90s thing
[05:22] <mpt> hmmm, maybe it could be described as such
[05:22] <mpt> When did Java start? :-)
[05:22] <mpt> ah, you're right mdke, Places is in Gnome 2.12 at least
[05:22] <mpt> I thought it had been called "Go" or somesuch
[05:27] <mpt> http://www.mozilla.org/projects/ui/communicator/framework/screenlayout/
[05:27] <mpt> yeehaw
[05:27] <mpt> those were the days, my friends
[05:27] <mpt> I thought they'd never end
[05:27] <mpt> ... fortunately they did
[05:34] <jsgotangco> ok but dont you think its a bit too late to try to include Ubuntu Help in Breezy?
[05:48] <jsgotangco> brb
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[12:00] <mz2> huh, might i just had some really good luck with installing the Breezy snapshot from a few days ago
[12:00] <muffin_> codecaine, i have booted 5.04
[12:00] <no_dammagE> Seveas: didn't know that - never needed that function ^^
[12:00] <Seveas> stizoner, ~/.xchat
[12:00] <codecaine> muffin_, no breezy not hoary
[12:00] <mz2> because now that i tried installing it to my brand new harddrive basically nothing seemed to work
[12:00] <amonkey> all you guys, i don't know how they are detecting it. it's a cisco solution that detects your os.
[12:00] <muffin_> codecaine, breezy is 4.XX?
[12:00] <tenco_> twibbler: Bwl: i think i found the solution :) -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[12:00] <Seveas> cisco solution
[12:00] <codecaine> 5.10
[12:00] <Seveas> another oxymoron :)
[12:00] <amonkey> i don't think it's a browser issue cuz it doens't say to use IE, it says use XP
[12:01] <stizoner> k i dont see that
[12:01] <dech> hmm alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[12:01] <Seveas> amonkey, well, they migh use TCP/IP chracteristics
[12:01] <Seveas> and that's not easily spoofable
[12:01] <codecaine> loaded breezy colony 3 and video is still screwed, managed to get it up but it loaded a screwed up desktop
[12:01] <no_dammagE> amonkey: use an SSL proxy ^^
[12:01] <Seveas> but i'd go for user-agent string in browser first
[12:01] <Arnia> Hum. I'm contemplating dist-upping to Breezy tonight so I can begin making some of my software work with the new versions. Any severe issues to watch out for atm?
[12:01] <tenco_> twibbler: Bwl: -> "Rev. B of this card will not work out-of-the-box" -> its a rev. B3 so i think this will solve my problem
[12:01] <mz2> crap, the brand new evince also crashes
[12:02] <amonkey> Seveas, explain?
[12:02] <no_dammagE> amonkey: as far as I remember my CCNA course, they are filtering only layer 7. That means HTTP and Samba (and so on). No lower level
[12:02] <sandino> twibbler same error
[12:02] <codecaine> snon, i wouldnt
[12:02] <twibbler> excellent tenco rtfm works then if you find the right manual ...
[12:02] <sn0n> codecaine, why not?
[12:02] <codecaine> its unstable
[12:02] <sn0n> and?
[12:02] <sn0n> lol
[12:02] <Seveas> amonkey, too much tech details on the TCP/IP stuff, for the browser stuff -> go to update.mozilla.org and install a firefox extension
[12:02] <snorks> ubuntu suggested 3 GB for swap. isnt that an awful lot?
[12:02] <codecaine> ok
[12:02] <sandino> where can i get kernel sources?
[12:02] <twibbler> sandino when you say same error on modprobe ..
[12:03] <c0rrupt_> www.kernel.org
[12:03] <Seveas> sandino, apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10
[12:03] <twibbler> have you type iwconfig ...
[12:03] <sandino> twibbler yes
[12:03] <diffy> hello
[12:03] <no_dammagE> snorks: it depends on the amount of RAM you have ^^
[12:03] <Seveas> c0rrupt_, that's the bad way on Ubuntu systems...
[12:03] <penticlex> cant seem to mount my HDD to chroot into it
[12:03] <twibbler> shouldn't have to do modprobe ...
[12:03] <c0rrupt_> oh seveas your here ;) got another question
[12:03] <diffy> some one can help me to install GRUB
[12:03] <diffy> ?
[12:03] <snorks> no_dammagE, 1GB Ram
[12:03] <c0rrupt_> im trying to compile my drivers
[12:03] <c0rrupt_> Makefile:8: /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build/.config: No such file or directory
[12:03] <c0rrupt_> whats that mean,
[12:03] <snorks> no_dammagE, what should swap be?
[12:03] <Seveas> linux-headers-$(uname -r) is needed
[12:03] <c0rrupt_> me?
[12:03] <Seveas> yes
[12:03] <c0rrupt_> soi
[12:03] <sandino> twibbler yeah .. no wln0
[12:04] <c0rrupt_> i have to install the source?
[12:04] <sandino> wlan0
[12:04] <Seveas> c0rrupt_, no apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[12:04] <c0rrupt_> ok
[12:04] <twibbler> ok so only other option si to do a complete upgrade of the system ....
[12:04] <no_dammagE> snorks: don't ask me, I take a bit more than RAM I have... e.g. 768-> 1G, but... ask the pros here ;)
[12:04] <twibbler> for this should now be all working ...
[12:04] <sandino> twibbler me?
[12:04] <c0rrupt_> !search linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[12:04] <ubotu> c0rrupt_: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[12:04] <amonkey> Seveas, i've seen that, it doesn't send windows version in that, does it? i thought that was strictly browser
[12:04] <steveO_Office> hello all
[12:04] <snorks> how large swap partition should i have with 1GB ram (With ubuntu)?
[12:04] <Seveas> c0rrupt_, the uname -r is a shell trick
[12:04] <c0rrupt_> k
[12:04] <c0rrupt_> thanks
[12:04] <amonkey> Seveas, nm i'm dumb
[12:05] <c0rrupt_> its installing
[12:05] <Seveas> snorks, 512 mb is enough unless you do video editing
[12:05] <no_dammagE> !swap size
[12:05] <ubotu> no_dammagE: Syntax error in line 1
[12:05] <amonkey> Seveas, i frogot that os is in that, will try
[12:05] <no_dammagE> :)
[12:05] <keith> i need a GUIed program that will help me manage my wireless connections
[12:05] <c0rrupt_> its to get the right versionr ight?
[12:05] <no_dammagE> !swap
[12:05] <ubotu> methinks swap is used to put unused programs out of memory to make your system faster. It can also be used as extra memory if you don't have enough. See: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwapFaq
[12:05] <sandino> keith check kde page\
[12:05] <diffy> i install windows after ubuntu and this fu** system earse the MBR, so now i hat a dual system but i cant boot on ubuntu, please someone can tell me how to reinstall GRUB in the MBR ?
[12:05] <steveO_Office> ? what tools do you use for scan and connecting to wireless networks??
[12:05] <keith> basically one that will list all available wireless networks and let me connect to them
[12:05] <keith> theres on on there sandino ?
[12:05] <keith> by what name?
[12:05] <c0rrupt_> we should all give seveas 1 dolar for his ubuntu support :)
[12:05] <IcemanV9> iwlist <device> scan
[12:06] <Seveas> diffy, wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[12:06] <no_dammagE> diffy: you'll need a chroot environment from a live CD. Do you have one?
[12:06] <keith> interface does not support scanning IcemanV9
[12:06] <diffy> thaks Seveas
[12:06] <dech> ubotu alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[12:06] <no_dammagE> diffy: I mean livecd
[12:06] <ubotu> I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about, dech
[12:06] <Seveas> dech, ubotu is a bot :)
[12:06] <IcemanV9> keith: it is not up and running
[12:06] <no_dammagE> hehe
[12:06] <c0rrupt_> hell yea
[12:06] <Mystery47_Newbie> i wanted to get enemy territory off my comp bec i cant get work nvidia....I cant put command: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable....can u say nothing about that?
[12:06] <diffy> no_dammagE, i have only install cd non live cd
[12:06] <c0rrupt_> its working
[12:06] <c0rrupt_> !
[12:06] <dech> rofl :)
[12:06] <keith> im on eth0 rightn ow
[12:06] <ubotu> c0rrupt_: I give up, what is it?
[12:06] <sandino> keith look in here http://www.kde-apps.org/index.php?xcontentmode=230x231x232x233x234x235x236&PHPSESSID=09764df73266dacb7c6676e66246224f
[12:06] <keith> which one?
[12:07] <IcemanV9> keith: what model of wifi card?
[12:07] <muffin_> do i have to execute the standart windows setup (boot from cd) to set up wine???
[12:07] <dech> i was instructed by a bot to type alsamixer and unmute my audigy :P
[12:07] <keith> hmmm how do i check IcemanV9 ? its a laptop and i never took it out
[12:07] <dech> so i did and - alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[12:07] <no_dammagE> hmm, as far as I remember there is GRUB for Win32. You can then install GRUB from Windows the same way you would do that from Linux ...
[12:07] <no_dammagE> !grub windows
[12:07] <ubotu> No idea, no_dammagE
[12:07] <Seveas> dech, ok, look for audigy in the forums
[12:07] <mitsuhiko> muffin_: standard, not standart :)
[12:07] <Seveas> you have a bit bigger problem, solved by people over there
[12:07] <dech> at ubuntu.com ?
[12:08] <Mystery47_Newbie> i wanted to get enemy territory off my comp bec i cant get work nvidia....I cant put command: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable....can u say nothing about that?
[12:08] <Seveas> dech, ubuntuforums.org
[12:08] <dech> ok thanks :)
[12:08] <stizoner> np: KoRn - Children Of The Korn (0:55/3:52)
[12:08] <muffin_> mitsuhiko, sorry, in german its standart
[12:08] <Seveas> stizoner, switch that off
[12:08] <mitsuhiko> muffin_: no. issn't :)
[12:09] <stizoner> bah
[12:09] <c0rrupt_> test
[12:09] <steveO_Office> keith, what kind of laptop? make and M... # how old?
[12:09] <Seveas> !test
[12:09] <ubotu> Failed.
[12:11] <muffin_> do i have to execute the windows setup (boot from cd etc) to set up wine???
[12:11] <muffin_> !bill gates
[12:11] <ubotu> muffin_: Bugger all, i dunno
[12:11] <keith> dell inspirion 600m steveO_Office
[12:12] <Seveas> muffin_, no, installing the wine package will setup wine
[12:12] <IcemanV9> keith: ha. built-in then
[12:12] <rebel_> any eqers that have cvswine/cedega/cvscedega workin?
[12:12] <keith> ok, so...? IcemanV9 what does that mean
[12:12] <IcemanV9> keith: ifconfig .. to see if there is a wifi or not
[12:12] <keith> and how do i easily see a list of available networks, preferably in a GUIed program, and conncet to them
[12:12] <muffin_> Seveas, but its useless, isn't it?
[12:12] <phanter> hello, I just installed openoffice2, but I do not find the shortcuts in the menu. How do I start the program?
[12:12] <muffin_> Seveas, without a windows setup...?!
[12:12] <rebel_> try gtkwifi keith
[12:12] <keith> what kinda list shoud i see IcemanV9 ?
[12:13] <Seveas> muffin_, if you want to run an emulated windows system, wine is not for you, you need vmware or qemu
[12:13] <ompaul> what is the name after the badger?
[12:13] <iiiears> rebel - wow wine is tough. - fought with it for an hour to install an 8 year old game.
[12:13] <IcemanV9> eth0 lo + wifi card (wlan, ath0)
[12:13] <Seveas> ompaul, sabdfl will come up with one in october :)
[12:13] <muffin_> Seveas, i just want to run windows apps
[12:13] <rebel_> iiiears, yea i used the *.deb to instlal cedega and it worked but ran like shit...heard the cvs buidl works better...but can't get eq to load
[12:13] <keith> how do i runa .deb then rebel_ ?
[12:14] <keith> cause thats what its in on soruceforge
[12:14] <ompaul> Seveas, there is that
[12:14] <rebel_> search the ubuntu forums
[12:14] <Mystery47_Newbie> thanks all helps!
[12:14] <steveO_Office> keith, it looks to be a intel pro 2100 you can also reboot to winshit and look in the Manager uner networks
[12:14] <rebel_> dkpg or somethinm like that, and find the arguments
[12:14] <keith> steveO_Office, im looking for a way to connect to my wireless network if disconnected or presented with multiple options WITHOUT having to reboot
[12:15] <p0z3r> has anyone had a problem with laptops and unbuntu installs where the screen cycles like bad television reception?
[12:15] <muffin_> i have no windows installed on my system (good, isn'T it), can i run windows apps with wine??? (Y/N)
[12:15] <lurah> hmm...something im doing wrong here :D
[12:15] <lurah> http://forum.ubuntu-fi.org/index.php?topic=113.0
[12:16] <ompaul> Seveas, maybe Gracious 'Golden\ Orb' it is a type of spider and a rather nice one - biggest I ever saw in my life was in a jungle it spanned about 18 inches (45 cm) across it was a little longer and it had a web that was over 5 meters wide
[12:16] <no_dammagE> ah, my X is now working. A small question: I have a backup of my /home (actually it was on a different partition). How do I setup proper mods (chmod)? KDE fails due to no write access to files in /home/user and I really don't want to chmod 777 all home folders ...
[12:16] <Seveas> muffin_, yes.
[12:16] <twibbler> keith : if you have configure the wireless lan correctly it will automatically reconnect .
[12:16] <freedomjazzdance> ok well what ever....
[12:16] <misfit_toy> muffin_, that's what wine is for
[12:16] <muffin_> thx
[12:16] <lurah> im stuck at "make-kpkg revision=2.6.12.4+xxxxxx kernel_image". says "command not found"
[12:16] <freedomjazzdance> i reboot my machine and it was able to access the internet....
[12:16] <keith> twibbler, it does but im still looking for a way to switch networks when preseted with multiple points
[12:16] <Seveas> lurah, install kernel-package
[12:16] <ompaul> Seveas, in a city environment it was about 4 inches in size
[12:16] <twibbler> iwlist
[12:16] <steveO_Office> keith, I have been told that wlassistant is a sweet tool but Im going to try it out in a couple of hours after work
[12:17] <keith> steveO_Office, im having trouble figuring out how to install wlassistant cause theres no package and i have no idea how to run a .deb
[12:17] <no_dammagE> Seveas: what are proper access mods for /home/*?
[12:17] <iiiears> muffin_ - some popular games have ports. - loki did several before they went bankrupt.
[12:17] <skalpel> hi
[12:17] <skalpel> can someone tell me why when a user uploads a file on to my computer other useres do not have rwx access to those folders/files, and how can i change this?
[12:17] <steveO_Office> heheh
[12:17] <twibbler> keith dpkg -i ???.deb
[12:17] <keith> oooh lemme try that then thanks
[12:17] <omp342> im gonna try installing ubuntu again
[12:18] <decaf> skalpel: keyword is 'umask'
[12:18] <steveO_Office> I can put a how to togher for it tomorrow..... after getting it up and running
[12:18] <Seveas> no_dammagE, 755
[12:18] <no_dammagE> Seveas: thank you
[12:18] <keith> that didnt work twibbler
[12:18] <keith> hmmm dependency problems... imma go work on this. thanks guys
[12:18] <florian_> hey, is there a german ubuntu-chat?
[12:18] <phanter> how do I start openoffice2 after installing it via synaptic? Or how can I find it out?
[12:18] <Seveas> keith apt-get -f instal
[12:18] <Seveas> keith apt-get -f install
[12:19] <Seveas> florian_, #ubuntu-de
[12:19] <lurah> seveas. ok, different problem but im prolly goin on right way here :D
[12:19] <trapped> hey guys what client is good to use?
[12:19] <florian_> thx
[12:19] <trapped> irc client******
[12:19] <decaf> trapped: client for what ?
[12:19] <trapped> ^^^ sory
[12:19] <stizoner> xchat i guess trapped
[12:19] <Seveas> xchat (GUI) or irssi (CLI)
[12:19] <decaf> trapped: I'm happy with xchat. some KDE people likes konverstaion
[12:20] <stizoner> its no mirc but it works
[12:20] <trapped> Seveas, thanks
[12:20] <Spudchat> hi guys i need a little help with cedega
[12:20] <rob^> mirc..
[12:20] <mz2> stizoner, not trying to start a war but xchat is waaay flashier and nicer than mirc :)
[12:20] <trapped> decaf, thanks, yeah not using kde, for religious reasons =o)
[12:20] <muffin_> Spidchat, who doesnt...
[12:20] <Spudchat> should i download the deb package or the tgz?
[12:20] <Spudchat> uho
[12:20] <Spudchat> uhoh*
[12:20] <stizoner> i dunno i must have downloaded the wrong version then
[12:21] <Seveas> Spudchat, deb
[12:21] <trapped> stizoner thanks dood
[12:21] <Spudchat> allright i got it now how would i install it?
[12:21] <Spudchat> sorry im still a linux n00b
[12:21] <Seveas> mirc has more features, but a very crappy scripting language
[12:21] <trapped> dont do that again... =o)
[12:22] <skalpel> nothing is as bad as chatzilla. i tried it once. ugh
[12:22] <stizoner> yeah chatzilla is pretty damn bad
[12:22] <Spudchat> would i use dkpg to intsall it?
[12:22] <mz2> Seveas, i just categorically hate MDI, my view might be a bit biased because of that :)
[12:22] <oferet> pfp, the reason my installation did now work was because of the cd(at least that's what it seems)
[12:22] <Seveas> mz2, MDI..?
[12:22] <oferet> are you still around pfp ?
[12:22] <trapped> bitchx?
[12:23] <skalpel> irssi
[12:23] <skalpel> can someone tell me why when i try to use sudo it asks me for my password yet will not accept it, only for one user?
[12:23] <mz2> Seveas, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_document_interface
[12:23] <Seveas> skalpel, only the first created user has sudo rights
[12:23] <Seveas> mz2, check
[12:23] <darkheart> skalpel Did you check out the visudo command?
[12:23] <Seveas> it's indeed evil
[12:24] <iiiears> how can you connect to irc without an xserver running?
[12:24] <skalpel> darkheart: yes but for some reason it wont work with teh command i am using
[12:24] <Seveas> skalpel, to give other users sudo access: adduser USERNAME admin
[12:24] <lurah> darn. cant get my kernel compiled...
[12:24] <Seveas> iiiears, irssi :)
[12:24] <darkheart> skalpel No no...you run visudo, edit that file to allow the users you want, then you can use sudo
[12:24] <iiiears> Cool - :)
[12:24] <skalpel> ah, thank you very much
[12:24] <Seveas> darkheart, hoary makes that easier
[12:24] <Seveas> the admin group has complete access
[12:25] <Spudchat> dpkg -i /PATH_TO PACKAGE/PACKAGE_NAME is what it tells me to use
[12:25] <darkheart> Seveas These new systems...when I was young, I had to modify every file in /etc/ just to get my...
[12:25] <darkheart> =P
[12:25] <Spudchat> but when i fill it in correctly it says that Desktop is not a file or folder
[12:25] <iiiears> darkheart. - grin
[12:25] <Seveas> lol grandpa :p
[12:26] <skalpel> darkheart: does this look correct? # User privilege specification
[12:26] <skalpel> root ALL=(ALL) ALL
[12:26] <skalpel> bonnie ALL=(ALL) ALL
[12:27] <Seveas> looks fine
[12:27] <skalpel> K
[12:28] <skalpel> seveas: now that ihave used umask on teh directory where the uploads will be coming in, those files should be rwx by fdefault for all users, correct?
[12:28] <Spudchat> allright i think i got it
[12:30] <ninjafish> Hi, my laptop seems to overheat a lot when using Ubuntu and turn itself off. Is this possible or a coincedence?
[12:31] <letme0ut> ninjafish,
[12:31] <MrPockets> Ubuntu runs a bit easier then any Windows os, if its shutting down because over heating, Ubuntu isnt the problem
[12:31] <letme0ut> i do not think it would be ubuntu doing this
[12:31] <Seveas> ninjafish, did you disable acpi?
[12:31] <ninjafish> o.k.
[12:31] <MrPockets> however it could be shutting down because ubuntu due to a non heat related problem,
[12:32] <letme0ut> ninjafish, the only thing i can think of
[12:32] <letme0ut> is that your CPU has throttling enabled
[12:32] <letme0ut> or disabled
[12:32] <letme0ut> and is staying throttled to the highest setting
[12:32] <david_1> hey, i've got an issue
[12:32] <letme0ut> my ubuntu laptop usually throttles down to about 700mhz when it gets too hot
[12:33] <ninjafish> It exits to a non graphical shell, then turns off, it is then very hot. It does have a silly Pentium 4 chip
[12:33] <Juhaz> it's not uncommon for laptop to run hotter in Linux, running "easier" doesn't have much anything to do with it
[12:33] <letme0ut> ah
[12:33] <david_1> the icons in my application switcher bar keep changing size
[12:33] <skalpel> does anyone know where i can find the gstreamer-08-lame package?
[12:33] <letme0ut> i have pentium 3
[12:33] <letme0ut> XD
[12:33] <david_1> sometimes they fill the entire bar, sometimes they shrink in the corner and it's getting really annoying.
[12:33] <reiki> Woot! I did it! I got Spamassassin working with Evolution VERY simply. One filter added to Evolution and it pipes through Spamassassin when picking up mail.
[12:34] <MrGardenHoseMan> does alsamixer have anything remotely similar to 'wave cap' ?
[12:34] <skalpel> does anyone else here use bloGTK?
[12:34] <MrGardenHoseMan> i'm trying to turn it off but can't find it anywhere
[12:34] <darkheart> skalpel Hoary extras repos
[12:34] <DVSoftware> very strange, but i can't find avidemux package in synaptic on 64bit ubuntu
[12:34] <[Spooky] > is there a ftp to manualy download the latest updates ?
[12:34] <DVSoftware> but it exists on 32bit
[12:35] <oferet> hey guys
[12:35] <oferet> I have a question
[12:35] <Seveas> [Spooky] , why manually?
[12:35] <pfp> oferet: cool, so its installing now?
[12:35] <oferet> oh
[12:35] <oferet> yes
[12:35] <oferet> but it got stuck
[12:35] <pfp> oferet: (still, or again, lost sleep :()
[12:35] <oferet> the cd was scratched
[12:35] <oferet> that's why it did not work
[12:35] <pfp> oh
[12:35] <oferet> I burned anew one
[12:35] <pfp> too simple :)
[12:36] <oferet> but now
[12:36] <[Spooky] > Seveas: cause i wanna burn them on a cd and use on another computer, that dosent have internet...
[12:36] <oferet> its' always the simple things
[12:36] <skalpel> darkheart: can you give me the url so i can add it to my sources.list?
[12:36] <oferet> but now I am getting stuck after it trying to do: Setting the system clock using the hardware as reference...
[12:36] <oferet> it says after
[12:36] <DVSoftware> please...
[12:36] <DVSoftware> i need avidemux
[12:36] <oferet> irq 10: nobody cared (try booting with teh "irqpoll" options.
[12:37] <darkheart> !tell skalpel about repositories
[12:37] <c0rrupt__> ah
[12:37] <c0rrupt__> driver works fine..
[12:37] <c0rrupt__> but
[12:37] <c0rrupt__> its not associating with my router
[12:37] <darkheart> skalpel It might be in there.
[12:37] <oferet> what does it mean
[12:37] <pfp> DVSoftware: you need to compile that by hand
[12:37] <c0rrupt__> anyone know any tricks with rtl8180
[12:37] <oferet> it also has a comment on handlers
[12:37] <MrPockets> will XMMS play videos?
[12:37] <DVSoftware> pfp, but on my 32bit machine i've just installed it from synaptic
[12:37] <DVSoftware> MrPockets, yes with mplayer plugin
[12:38] <MrPockets> where do i find said plug in?
[12:38] <skalpel> darkheart: how come i do not have gstreamer08lame in my packagelist then?
[12:38] <DVSoftware> www.xmms.org
[12:38] <DVSoftware> MrPockets, but you need mplayer installed
[12:38] <pfp> oferet: hmm, have you googled on that
[12:38] <Karhuton> Aug 19 01:36:11 localhost kernel: Inbound IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:04:61:52:57:73:00:05:9a:6a:4c:1c:08:00 SRC=61.137.117.208 DST=62.142.131.17 LEN=347 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=52 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=42393 DPT=1026 LEN=327 <--- I'm getting this kind of stuff flooded to syslog
[12:39] <darkheart> skalpel You have the extra repositories in your /etc/apt/sources.list file?
[12:39] <DVSoftware> hm, just found debian sid package
[12:39] <DVSoftware> is it safe to install it
[12:39] <DVSoftware> in ubuntu?
[12:39] <DVSoftware> [ ] avidemux_2.0.42-0.0_amd64.deb 23-Jul-2005 00:38 1.7M
[12:40] <aroman> how can I figure out what version of gcc a binary has been compiled with?
[12:40] <pfp> DVSoftware: if it doesn't demand debian's libc or other radical stuff, iirc some debian pkg i tried did, which is why i decided to compile it
[12:40] <havunet> #ubuntu
[12:40] <DVSoftware> i'll try it, if it doesn't work, i will compile
[12:41] <linyang> what do i need to install to play movies ?
[12:41] <oferet> pfp, did not find anything yet. but I did not look hard, Iwas hoping you are familiar with the issue
[12:41] <linyang> except codecs
[12:41] <pfp> oferet: i haven't seen that particular option before, otherwise ~yes
[12:42] <DVSoftware> one more question
[12:42] <c0rrupt__> does anyone use rtl8180?
[12:42] <[Spooky] > linyang: try the VLC
[12:42] <DVSoftware> where do i need to put commands
[12:42] <DVSoftware> that i want to be started just after booting
[12:42] <DVSoftware> c0rrupt__, me
[12:43] <DVSoftware> dlink dwl510 with that chip
[12:43] <gabriel_> hi.does anyone have a asus m6ne laptop. i'm trying to figure out how hibernation should work
[12:43] <linyang> [Spooky] : i tried it, but it does play my avi videos (it plays it on another ubuntu computer)
[12:44] <DVSoftware> gabriel_, i have hp compaq nx9105 and hibernation doesn't work either
[12:44] <linyang> [Spooky] : doesn't
[12:44] <pfp> oferet: hmm, you dont have a digital camera by any chance?
[12:45] <pfp> oferet: oh, it's irpoll option_, in singular
[12:45] <gabriel_> dvsoftware: when i press sleep mode it works. when i press hibernation mode i get to the log in mask. is that right?
[12:45] <DVSoftware> where do i need to put commands that i want to be started just after the boot process?
[12:45] <pfp> DVSoftware: /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[12:46] <DVSoftware> gabriel_, when i hibernate my computer, it won't boot up again
[12:46] <omp342> hi guys
[12:46] <omp342> i just installed ubuntu
[12:46] <omp342> it never asked me for a password for root
[12:46] <omp342> :/
[12:46] <pfp> oferet: do you have ubuntu installed on the hd already or is this still an installer issue
[12:46] <benjamin1254> omp man u never installed it... r u crazy...
[12:47] <DVSoftware> pfp, when is tha called? i need it to be done after bringing up network connection
[12:47] <oferet> pfp: yep
[12:47] <omp342> lol
[12:47] <eklektik> can anyone help me with Azureus?
[12:47] <oferet> how do I run it in that mode ?
[12:47] <omp342> brb
[12:47] <gabriel_> cool. i0m in a beter position then.
[12:47] <gabriel_> it didn't ask for a root psw to me too...
[12:47] <costal> hello list
[12:47] <benjamin1254> helo postle costle
[12:48] <DVSoftware> pfp ?
[12:48] <costal> I'm looking for monodevelop ide for ubuntu
[12:48] <omp342> now i dont know how to get into root =/
[12:48] <DVSoftware> omp342,
[12:48] <tenco> i am searching for an app which works like del.ic.ious for local files instead of bookmarks (tagging)
[12:48] <tenco> like: i can tag files and let list the app files which have a certain tag
[12:48] <DVSoftware> sudo -i
[12:48] <pfp> DVSoftware: look in /etc/rcS.d/ , botomisc comes after networking
[12:48] <DVSoftware> and your password
[12:48] <Xappe> omp342: root is disabled in ubuntu, use sudo instead
[12:48] <costal> the tseng repositories don't work
[12:49] <omp342> ok
[12:49] <iiiears> !root
[12:49] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[12:50] <Xappe> ah, ubotu has given this channel a facelift :)
[12:50] <pfp> oferet: ok, then in the grub (boot) menu, press E to edit the boot sequence, then (i think E) on the line that says vmlinuz bla bla quiet splash
[12:50] <MrPockets> hey, where do i plop the skins for XMMS?
[12:50] <iiiears> ubotu cafuego
[12:50] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, iiiears
[12:51] <cafuego> iiiears: whatnow?
[12:51] <DVSoftware> MrPockets, /home/yourusername/.xmms/Skins i guess
[12:51] <D2DChat> hello, i was wondering if ubuntu is only one cd big
[12:51] <cafuego> D2DChat: The initial base install is, yes.
[12:51] <iiiears> someone just admired your work
[12:51] <pfp> oferet: then add 'irqpoll' on that line , enter, and B to boot
[12:51] <omp342> ok sudo -i worked :)
[12:51] <cafuego> D2DChat: There is an additional 9.8GB of software (compressed) online.
[12:51] <gabriel_> i'm new to linux. how should the hibernation process work? i press hibernation and i get to the login mask. then what should i do? if i enter my password i get back to the desktop.
[12:51] <omp342> so "sudo -i" is basically like what "su -" is in fedora?
[12:52] <D2DChat> cafuego: so when i bootup the first cd and get it going
[12:52] <D2DChat> cafuego: its going to install the rest online?
[12:52] <DVSoftware> cafuego, is it possible to mirror local copy of apt repositories?
[12:52] <cafuego> omp342: More or less; sudo can be configured to allow only certain apps to certain users.
[12:52] <MrPockets> theres no .xmms in my username folder
[12:52] <cafuego> DVSoftware: Sure, just keep in mine it's 10GB times 3 arches plus source files.
[12:52] <iiiears> sudoers file
[12:53] <cafuego> DVSoftware: There's a ubuntu DVD as well, which I believe has just about everything
[12:53] <oferet> pfp, on the hd. it's ubuntu's first run
[12:53] <DVSoftware> hmm
[12:53] <DVSoftware> it's not a problem with 100mbit internet connection
[12:53] <gabriel_> is there a list of all that software?
[12:54] <DVSoftware> MrPockets, it's hidden folder
[12:54] <cafuego> DVSoftware: Not for you; it's unneccesary load on the mirror, though - slows it down for others.
[12:54] <amonkey> why does burning a cd take 100% of the proc?
[12:54] <DVSoftware> ahhhh... :)
[12:54] <D2DChat> cafuego: Was I correct in my assumption?
[12:54] <omp342> i think i like this more than fedora
[12:54] <MrPockets> DVSoftware how do i unhide her?
[12:54] <cafuego> D2DChat: No, it installs from CD only; that gves you a full X /Gnome system.
[12:55] <cafuego> D2DChat: You can then add stuff from online, if you want/need it.
[12:55] <gabriel_> so... is there a list of all that software?
[12:55] <DVSoftware> MrPockets, well, i'm using kde, and i think it's View>show hidden files
[12:55] <MrPockets> brilliant
[12:55] <MrPockets> thanks
[12:55] <omp342> is WINE easy to install? :)
[12:55] <DVSoftware> np
[12:55] <cafuego> gabriel_: The Packages.gz file on the mirror
[12:55] <DVSoftware> omp342, relatively
[12:55] <Xappe> MrPockets: ctrl + h in nautilus
[12:55] <pfp> oferet: right, did you see what i wrote about grub above
[12:56] <cafuego> gabriel_: Also see '/msg ubotu find <packagename>' and packages.ubuntu.com
[12:56] <cafuego> !dstats hoary
[12:56] <ubotu> Ubuntu Distro Stats on hoary... 16270 packages, 1437 maintainers, 31005 MB installed size, 9820 MB compressed size.
[12:56] <chrismy> hm guys how do i check for my User and Group name for configuring Apache and PHP?
[12:56] <DVSoftware> w00t
[12:56] <cafuego> 31 GB uncompressed; and that's just i386
[12:56] <DVSoftware> cafuego, i guess amd64 repo is smaller
[12:56] <Ice9> how do I get to the alsa mixer?
[12:56] <gabriel_> cafuego: tnks ill give it a look
[12:56] <oferet> pfp: now I did
[12:56] <cafuego> DVSoftware: A bit, but not much.
[12:57] <oferet> I will do so momenterily
[12:57] <pfp> k
[12:57] <Xappe> Ice9: type alsamixer in a terminal window
[12:57] <DVSoftware> brb
[12:57] <DVSoftware> rebooting my server
[12:57] <snorks> !ati
[12:57] <ubotu> well, ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[12:57] <costal> do you know where i can find the monodevelop ide for ubuntu
[12:57] <DVSoftware> to test automatic internet connection :)
[12:58] <omp342> time to install WINE :)
[12:58] <oferet> pfp: another comment, I do not have a ps2 mouse in this pc. Even the keyboard is not ps2 cause its so old. So I have a usb pci card. As soon as I plug the mouse into the usb port, ubuntu gets stuck during the initialization
[12:58] <chrismy> how do i check for my User and Group name for configuring Apache and PHP?
[12:59] <snorks> why is it said that openoffice doesnt work under amd64, but it works for me (amd64) while starting it via menu? does ubuntu chroot a 32bit env automagically or what is up?
[12:59] <darkheart> chrismy You want to look for the user that runs Apache? Not sure what you want, but look in /etc/groups
[12:59] <tck> is there a working wiki for orinoco cards with hoary whilst running kismet ?
[12:59] <oferet> pfp: pressing e does not allow to alter the boot sequence. I am going to try to something else. It says that I ahve to press Esc to get into the menu
[12:59] <avanspronsen> chrismy: www-data
[01:00] <pfp> oferet: oh, press esc 1st, then in the menu, press e
[01:00] <danielle> hi
[01:00] <danielle> heyheyhey
[01:00] <oferet> pfp: I am all about comments after it gets stuck is stays that it is disabling IRQ 10
[01:01] <chrismy> avanspronsen, darkheart , erm...yes the www-date place. but how do i know what is my User name and Group name? i mean how to check
[01:01] <oferet> pfp, brb
[01:01] <chrismy> avanspronsen, darkheart , i have not set that because i do not know
[01:01] <danielle> any hott guys want to chat press 666
[01:01] <gabriel_> is there a special chan for suspend to disk problem?
[01:02] <costal> if you want to know what is the user and group you can try with id command
[01:02] <darkheart> chrismy I don't understand..you mean for the account you are logged in as?
[01:02] <darkheart> No hot guys in here I guess =P
[01:02] <iiiears> lol
[01:02] <popey> whuh.. hot!?
[01:02] <D2DChat> darkheart: im hot, what are you talking about;)
[01:02] <D2DChat> jk
[01:02] <D2DChat> lol
[01:03] <D2DChat> my gf is hot, im not
[01:03] <dech> lol, i think its ironic that it was asked in ubuntu, adn everyone just kept on talking about ubuntu :D
[01:03] <D2DChat> lol
[01:03] <omp342> someone help me
[01:03] <popey> not ironic, just perfectly normal
[01:03] <omp342> i tried to install WINE with apt-get
[01:03] <popey> (for geeks)
[01:03] <omp342> and i got this
[01:03] <omp342> E: Package msttcorefonts has no installation candidate
[01:04] <omp342> where can i get mstcorefonts?
[01:04] <dech> well yeah irony was how i ws going to state the other sentence but i changed how i was wording it mid sentence, but left irony there
[01:04] <darkheart> =)
[01:04] <iiiears> omp enable multiverse
[01:04] <chrismy> darkheart, sorry,...i do not know how to put it. hmmm ok it is needed to setup the User and Group in apache2.conf. I could not do anything because i am not sure of my User and Group name.
[01:04] <Dreamer3_> ok
[01:04] <Dreamer3_> running xfce
[01:04] <iiiears> "msttcorefonts" - yes?
[01:04] <Dreamer3_> what do i need to do to get xscreensaver to load by default?
[01:05] <dvsoftware__> great
[01:05] <omp342> how do i enable multiverse, iiiears?
[01:05] <dvsoftware__> it works
[01:05] <omp342> i just got ubuntu today :D
[01:05] <pfp> oferet: sorry, i have to take care of some stuff ->
[01:05] <tck> is there an easy way of running kismet with hoary yet
[01:05] <tck> is there an easy way of running kismet with hoary yet
[01:05] <tck> is there an easy way of running kismet with hoary yet ?
[01:05] <tck> shit sorry.
[01:05] <dvsoftware__> stop flooding
[01:05] <tck> :(
[01:05] <tck> i DID NOT mean that
[01:05] <oferet> pfp still around ?
[01:06] <tck> now u see how shit this laptop really is
[01:06] <dvsoftware__> why?
[01:06] <pfp> oferet: sorry, BBL
[01:06] <ProN00b> why are ubuntu packages so outdated ? *_*
[01:06] <iiiears> omp - synaptic package manager .. repositories .. pluss sign to add .. universe community supported.
[01:06] <il_padrino> idesk 0.7.3 is is breezy ?
[01:07] <dech> Hmm i dont know if this will shed ony light on my situation but i get this msg on log in
[01:07] <costal> does anybody has monodevelop ide ?
[01:07] <dech> Sound server informational message:
[01:07] <dech> Error while initializing the sound driver:
[01:07] <dech> device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such file or directory)
[01:07] <dech> The sound server will continue, using the null output device.
[01:07] <darkheart> chrismy You are editing the apache conf right? It is probably asking for the user/group that apache runs under.
[01:07] <dvsoftware__> dech, kde?
[01:08] <dech> Yep, using kubuntu
[01:08] <dvsoftware__> go into control center
[01:08] <dvsoftware__> sound system
[01:08] <dvsoftware__> sound server
[01:08] <dvsoftware__> hardware
[01:08] <dvsoftware__> and try to change sound server
[01:08] <Dreamer3_> anyone?
[01:08] <chrismy> darkheart, is my user name in the USER DETAILS and group name under Groups?
[01:08] <chrismy> darkheart, yes. but i do not know what is my User and Group name
[01:08] <dvsoftware__> DVSoftware, go away god damn it
[01:09] <chrismy> darkheart, and when i typed in the exact thing and restarted APcahe2, it said something is invalid
[01:09] <darkheart> chrismy Okay, it's not your user and group
[01:09] <chrismy> darkheart, not? ok guide me. what should i do now
[01:10] <chrismy> darkheart, please:D
[01:10] <dech> hmm i got sounds + multimedia -> sound system -> then go to hardware, and then ?
[01:10] <ibthomson> is it possible to have Wine installed under 64-bit?
[01:10] <dech> im not entirely sure what you mean by change sound server
[01:10] <darkheart> chrismy Sorry, I'm at work so a bit busy to guide, but try entering www-data for user and group in the conf file, also, paste the section you are modifying in the conf file somewhere (like pastebin)
[01:11] <omp342> iiiears, that would be great IF i knew how to get to synaptic package manager :D
[01:11] <cafuego> ibthomson: Ye-es.... but by far the best way to go about it is by having a 32bit chroot install.
[01:11] <chrismy> darkheart, pastebin? what is that?
[01:11] <randin> i just bought an atheros 5212 based wifi card for my laptop, the one i had borrowed work perfect before but this new one gets an average of 35% packet loss in ubuntu, but it works fine in knoppix
[01:11] <ibthomson> cafuego: I see. thanks
[01:11] <randin> worked*
[01:11] <darkheart> !tell chrismy about pastebin
[01:11] <Peaker> How do I re-invoke the network configuration that appeared in the installation?
[01:12] <HrdwrBoB> Peaker: no need, simplt go to system-> administration->networking
[01:12] <chrismy> darkheart, oh lol ok i have imagebin.org
[01:12] <Spudchat> allright so i got cedega workin and just installed a bunch of games
[01:12] <Peaker> HrdwrBoB: In what program? I don't have X working yet
[01:12] <omp342> never mind
[01:12] <Spudchat> do i need to worry about defraging the hdd?
[01:12] <iiiears> oops - sorry.. task bar .. "System" .. Administration .. Synaptic Package manager .. settings .. repositories .. add .. universe communitty supported
[01:12] <omp342> i found out how to get to synaptic package manager :)
[01:13] <Peaker> HrdwrBoB: X didn't work out of the box (VAIO fs laptop, I think it needs newer nVidia drivers :( )
[01:13] <chrismy> darkheart, so you want to see the file is that it? coz i do not know what actually my User and Group names are
[01:13] <HrdwrBoB> Peaker: X should work automatically
[01:13] <HrdwrBoB> ah
[01:13] <omp342> ya i found out thanks
[01:13] <HrdwrBoB> Peaker: if you just want dhcp use 'sudo dhclient'
[01:13] <darkheart> chrismy Just paste the part that you are modifying.
[01:13] <Portugues> hello, i need help, i was trying to add extra repositories, and i got this error: (sorry the flood)
[01:13] <Portugues> W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: The following s ignatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <[email protected]>
[01:13] <dech> dvsoftware__ hmm i got sounds + multimedia -> sound system -> then go to hardware, and then ?
[01:13] <iiiears> It must a been my speedy typing that helped eh? - lol
[01:13] <Portugues> W: GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signin g Key <[email protected]>
[01:13] <Peaker> HrdwrBoB: There's no way to rerun the (very nice) network configurator from the installer?
[01:13] <HrdwrBoB> Peaker: not afaik
[01:13] <dvsoftware__> dech, try to change sound server
[01:14] <dvsoftware__> you have combobox
[01:14] <Peaker> Oh that sucks... Make such a nice tool and then "hard-wire" it to be only run from one spot..
[01:14] <duality_> how can I list so that directories come first? (like on Windows)
[01:14] <Peaker> Anyone runs ubuntu on Sony VAIO fs laptops?
[01:14] <chope> hi, ive downloaded a 1.44 diskette image with ".144" extension, do you know i could write this to a diskette?
[01:15] <omp342> vaio
[01:15] <omp342> ahh
[01:15] <omp342> vaio's dont like linux
[01:15] <omp342> :D
[01:15] <Peaker> omp342: Really? :(
[01:15] <omp342> well
[01:15] <omp342> at least if you use the recovery disks they gave to install xp
[01:15] <dark^ngel> chope,: dd
[01:15] <cafuego> Peaker: 'etherconf'
[01:16] <gabriel_> how does hibernation work? just to know. i press hibernate and i get to login menu. should i press now the power button? will it boot up again to the actual pointor if i get to the login menu i'm not properly set?
[01:16] <dech> dvsoftware__ i got a combo box with select audio device, with autodetect, open sound system, etc in it, changin those does nothing, other than that no combo boxes
[01:16] <rob__> hey guys...
[01:16] <Peaker> omp342: Nope I don't dual boot, I only want to use ubunutu
[01:16] <rob__> :-X
[01:16] <sn0n> i hella borked ubuntu
[01:16] <sn0n> broke x
[01:16] <oferet> hello all, I would like to know how can I run my system with the irpoll options
[01:16] <Peaker> cafuego: Thanks I'll try that
[01:16] <dvsoftware__> dech, try open sound system
[01:16] <HrdwrBoB> Peaker: why, there's no need
[01:16] <oferet> where should I plug it in
[01:16] <dvsoftware__> i'm using that
[01:16] <sn0n> tried a breezy.. LoL
[01:16] <oferet> I am right now in the boot sequence modifications area
[01:16] <dech> I just tried that then, on apply/restart sound, same error msg appears
[01:16] <sn0n> how can i force a hoary base install of all packages ?
[01:16] <DVSoftware> and alsa?
[01:17] <Peaker> cafuego: You sure that's exact? I don't have that binary and no such package (apt-cache search etherconf)
[01:17] <chrismy> darkheart, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/i1371
[01:17] <oferet> irqpoll options anybody ?
[01:17] <tiglionabbit> I installed sun-j2sdk1.5 and firefox still doesn't see it
[01:17] <dech> same error msg except instead of dev/whatever its called default
[01:18] <gabriel_> nobody uses hibernation on laptops?
[01:18] <gabriel_> d
[01:18] <chrismy> darkheart, like that?
[01:18] <Xappe> tiglionabbit: have you symlinked the plugin?
[01:18] <Peaker> HrdwrBoB: There's no need to..?
[01:18] <concept10> anyone decent with gimp here?
[01:18] <dark^ngel> concept10: I might be
[01:19] <HrdwrBoB> Peaker: run the tool again
[01:19] <tiglionabbit> Xappe: nope, it doesn't say that in the wiki, what do I need to link?
[01:19] <sn0n> how can i force a hoary base install of all packages ? anyone.. i've got a unusable X and no gnome now.. :-X
[01:19] <GregAsche> is there any simple gif animators out there?
[01:19] <tiglionabbit> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[01:19] <GregAsche> something that isn't real complucated
[01:19] <GregAsche> *complicated
[01:19] <tiglionabbit> GregAsche: gap?
[01:19] <HrdwrBoB> Peaker: it's assumed you actually set it up the first time :)
[01:19] <DVSoftware> the only thing i miss in gimp is the styles thing in photoshop
[01:19] <speel> GregAsche:>> i think gimp does gif animating
[01:20] <HrdwrBoB> it does
[01:20] <oferet> how cna I activate the IRQPOLL options
[01:20] <dech> DVSoftware same error msg except instead of dev/whatever its called default
[01:20] <oferet> does ubuntu have a problem with a usb PCI card
[01:20] <tiglionabbit> sn0n: get "ubuntu-desktop"
[01:20] <DVSoftware> argh
[01:20] <oferet> ?
[01:20] <oferet> anybody ?
[01:20] <HrdwrBoB> oferet: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:20] <HrdwrBoB> add irqpoll to the kernel line
[01:20] <DVSoftware> you sure your sound card is supported/working?
[01:20] <tiglionabbit> Xappe: how do I link it?
[01:20] <oferet> I am there
[01:20] <HrdwrBoB> oferet: you mean a PCI USB card
[01:20] <dech> i have a soundblaster audigy 2 value
[01:20] <DVSoftware> hm
[01:20] <dech> pci
[01:20] <HrdwrBoB> oferet: it should work
[01:20] <DVSoftware> go to www.opensound.com
[01:21] <sn0n> thnx
[01:21] <DVSoftware> download free ver
[01:21] <DVSoftware> and try with that
[01:21] <dech> ok thanks, will let you know :)
[01:21] <oferet> like this irqpoll or like this -irqpoll
[01:21] <chrismy> darkheart, are you there?
[01:21] <Xappe> tiglionabbit: don't remember that in my head, but there should be a plugin for firefox somewhere among the jre files, and that should be symlinked to the firefox plugins directory
[01:21] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: Ooh, USB pci card would be neet! :-)
[01:21] <oferet> HrdwrBob: with or without the "-"
[01:21] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: heh, you can get USB ISA adapters
[01:22] <chope> dark^ngel: thanx with that dd, it worked
[01:22] <HrdwrBoB> oferet: no -
[01:22] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: Imagine powering 4 PCI USB cards off a single USB Pci card
[01:22] <dark^ngel> chope: np
[01:22] <reiki> darkheart: you alive?
[01:22] <HrdwrBoB> haha
[01:22] <HrdwrBoB> imagine recursively recursing
[01:22] <tiglionabbit> Xappe: libjavaplugin.so is in my firefox plugin directory
[01:22] <dech> DVSoftware, on download page its got diff kernels in a combo box i know im 2.6 but whats REGPARM and NOREGPARM ?
[01:22] <tiglionabbit> but its red
[01:23] <Peaker> HrdwrBoB: I need to run the tool again because I'm modifying my network configuration... (Physically reconnecting it)
[01:23] <darkheart> chrismy reiki Yeah, just a moment, though.
[01:23] <oferet> HrdwrBob: its restarting, lets see what it does. What does the IRQPOLL options does?
[01:23] <HrdwrBoB> Peaker: you can edit /etc/networking/interfaces
[01:23] <Zodiac> hey guys
[01:23] <Xappe> tiglionabbit: ok, maybe that should do it then...you, ofcourse, have to restart firefox
[01:23] <Zodiac> Whats up
[01:23] <HrdwrBoB> oferet: tbh I'm not entirely sure :)
[01:23] <DVSoftware> dech, errr.... dunno
[01:23] <chrismy> darkheart, sure.
[01:23] <HrdwrBoB> oferet: though I think I used it on my SMP p3
[01:23] <tiglionabbit> hmm, it links to another firefox directory. I think i need to fix it
[01:23] <dech> :D
[01:23] <DVSoftware> try both :S
[01:23] <Zodiac> Does anyone have a "non-spyware" acroreader?
[01:24] <oferet> HrdwrBob: SMP ?
[01:24] <Xappe> tiglionabbit: ah...
[01:24] <dech> Heh will try top option first :D
[01:24] <darkheart> chrismy I need to see a bit above that image you posted.
[01:24] <HrdwrBoB> oferet: two cpis
[01:24] <HrdwrBoB> cpus
[01:24] <darkheart> reiki What's up?
[01:24] <HrdwrBoB> Zodiac: evince or xpdf
[01:24] <Zodiac> Adobe?
[01:24] <ibthomson> I've got a problem with my chroot. using the 32-bit synaptic, when I try to install a package it lists the dependencies but will not mark them. it fails after that. any help?
[01:24] <HrdwrBoB> no
[01:24] <HrdwrBoB> ibthomson: try just using apt-get
[01:24] <surfdue> !xlite
[01:24] <ubotu> No idea, surfdue
[01:24] <Zodiac> Seveas: Do you have adobe reader?
[01:24] <oferet> HrdwrBob: cool, well it got stuck at teh "starting hotplug subsystem" phase. Any ideas ?(anyone)
[01:24] <surfdue> err
[01:24] <reiki> darkheart: I think it was you that responded to me when I was at work today about getting Spamassassin to work with Evolution. Well I have it working and it was quite easy
[01:25] <surfdue> http://www.xten.com/index.php?menu=products&smenu=xlite&ssmenu=download
[01:25] <surfdue> is tehre no deb for this
[01:25] <ibthomson> HrdwrBoB: same difference
[01:25] <dech> btw while im at it how can i kill a frozen ap ? for instance amsn
[01:25] <surfdue> oh does anyone know a ubuntu SIP porgram
[01:25] <dech> app*
[01:25] <HrdwrBoB> ibthomson: paste the error on pastebin
[01:25] <oferet> HrdwrBob: cool, well it got stuck at teh "starting hotplug subsystem" phase. Any ideas ?(anyone)
[01:26] <Seveas> Zodiac, yes
[01:26] <cafuego> duck stock
[01:26] <HrdwrBoB> oferet: stuck or just took a long time
[01:26] <iiiears> dech - ps -a |more to find it's name then kill -9 processname or pid
[01:26] <DVSoftware> Zodiac, i don't think that adobe reader has spyware
[01:26] <Seveas> DVSoftware, it has
[01:26] <HrdwrBoB> oferet: worst case, wait a while and hit ctrl-c at that stage
[01:26] <DVSoftware> dech, kill pid
[01:26] <ibthomson> HrdwrBoB: what's the URL for pastebin?
[01:26] <oferet> HrdwrBob: it has been in the state for 2 min already
[01:26] <HrdwrBoB> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[01:26] <oferet> HrdwrBob: since I said its running
[01:26] <Seveas> DVSoftware, in my deb i removed it ;)
[01:26] <HrdwrBoB> oferet: try pressing ctrl c
[01:26] <HrdwrBoB> oferet: odds are it's loading a driver your system doesn't like
[01:26] <Seveas> (making it highly illegal by the way)
[01:26] <oferet> HrdwrBob: no response
[01:27] <HrdwrBoB> you need to find out what that is
[01:27] <Zodiac> Seveas: Do you have a deb for where I can grab it it by any chance :)?
[01:27] <HrdwrBoB> and blacklist it
[01:27] <DVSoftware> Seveas, didn't know that
[01:27] <DVSoftware> Seveas, what kind of spyware?
[01:27] <cyphase> hey everyone
[01:27] <oferet> HrdwrBob: in that case, my system does not like any drivers :)
[01:27] <Seveas> Zodiac, i just switched off my server (it's in my bedroom currently and I'm going to sleep in 5 minutes)
[01:27] <Zodiac> Whoa
[01:27] <cyphase> anyone here live in the San Francisco bay area?
[01:27] <Seveas> ping me in 10 hours
[01:27] <DVSoftware> dech, to kill amsn, you have to kill "wish"
[01:27] <Zodiac> you host them from your server?
[01:27] <oferet> HrdwrBob: how can I blacklist ?
[01:27] <chrismy> darkheart, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/i1374
[01:27] <Zodiac> Can you send me a link so I can grab it tomorrow?
[01:27] <HrdwrBoB> oferet: add module names to /etc/hotplug,d/blacklist
[01:27] <dech> Thanks iiiears and DV
[01:28] <gabriel_> hi i need to unload fglrx module. what is the string i need to use?
[01:28] <Seveas> Zodiac, http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/deb/
[01:28] <Zodiac> I would be greatly appreciative... :)!
[01:28] <ibthomson> HrdwrBob: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1373
[01:28] <Seveas> it'll be online again 10 hors from now
[01:28] <DVSoftware> dech, np
[01:28] <Zodiac> money
[01:28] <Zodiac> thanks dude!
[01:28] <cafuego> Goat sloap'n!
[01:29] <cafuego> although, seveas.ubuntulinux.nl is dead
[01:29] <c0rrupt__> ;\
[01:29] <Zodiac> What is a good html editor?
[01:29] <oferet> HrdwrBob: decided to take out a PCI card, I have the feeling its trouble
[01:29] <HrdwrBoB> ibthomson: you are using breezy?
[01:29] <HrdwrBoB> oferet: cool
[01:29] <janice> Hi All. I need some help with a GNOME problem. When I log in I get the message "Could not look up internet address for . This will prevent GNOME from operating correctly. It may be possible to correct the problem by adding to the file /etc/hosts." Any help would be greatly appreciated.
[01:29] <gabriel_> DVSoftware i found that if i unload the fglrx module i can hibernate. maybe works for you too? how do you unload a module?
[01:29] <reiki> Zodiac: Bluefish?
[01:29] <dark^ngel> Zodiac: vi ???
[01:29] <HrdwrBoB> my wife uses nvu
[01:30] <DVSoftware> gabriel_, rmmod
[01:30] <DVSoftware> and it unloading fglrx can't help me cos i'm using nvidia ;)
[01:30] <ibthomson> HrdwrBoB: no, hoary 64-bit. this is within dchroot
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> ibthomson: in any case it looks like your sources are bung
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> can you check your sources.list?
[01:31] <Peaker> Hmm.. the VESA driver makes X work, but VESA sucks ;-) The autodetection detects "i815" but that doesn't work. Any idea what I can try to know why X fails to load?
[01:31] <gabriel_> dvsoftware and does it work for you too
[01:31] <gabriel_> ?
[01:31] <cafuego> ibthomson: Did you install a hoary chroot or a breezy one?
[01:31] <ibthomson> cafuego: a hoary chroot
[01:31] <cafuego> cool.
[01:31] <oferet> HrdwrBob: I think I was right. It was the damn USB pci card. Now how would I be able to make it work later with the system. Suggestion ?
[01:31] <cafuego> !info libice-dev
[01:31] <ubotu> libice-dev: (Inter-Client Exchange library development files), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 6.8.2-10 (hoary), Packaged size: 208 kB, Installed size: 444 kB
[01:31] <DVSoftware> gabriel_, fglrx is ati driver, but i'm using nvidia
[01:32] <omp342> im having trouble =/
[01:32] <omp342> sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
[01:32] <omp342> isnt working
[01:32] <iiiears> Peaker - lspci is your friend getting x to work is the one big hurdle to a new user if you get x working you are home free
[01:32] <oferet> HrdwrBob: Also the synch of clock to ntp.ubuntulinux.org failed
[01:32] <cafuego> ibthomson: Check sources.list, run apt-get update.
[01:32] <oferet> HrdwrBob: is that major ?
[01:32] <cafuego> omp342: Give it a pay rise
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> oferet: because your networking isn't working
[01:32] <jeffm_> hey guys
[01:32] <ibthomson> cafuego: which sources should I have for my chroot?
[01:32] <c0rrupt__> whats the command to extract .tgz
[01:32] <Peaker> iiiears: Thanks I'll try that
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> it's effectively irrelevant
[01:32] <chrismy> darkheart, how is it going?
[01:32] <jeffm_> im having a problem with my wireless lan
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> c0rrupt__: tar xzvf
[01:32] <cafuego> ibthomson: I tend to add main, restricted, universe and multiverse
[01:32] <c0rrupt__> isnt that for tar.gz
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> c0rrupt__: same thing
[01:33] <c0rrupt__> oh
[01:33] <c0rrupt__> okay
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> different extension
[01:33] <cafuego> c0rrupt__: tar.gz == tgz
[01:33] <jeffm_> when i do ifup wlan0 i get 'too few parameters for iface line'
[01:33] <c0rrupt__> ohhh
[01:33] <c0rrupt__> ok
[01:33] <c0rrupt__> thanks
[01:33] <oferet> HrdwrBob: tnx. I logged into my Ubuntu !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YES !!!!!! after a month of trying !!!
[01:33] <DVSoftware> jeffm_, what kind of problem?
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> oferet: :) excellent
[01:33] <chrismy> darkheart, i do not really know which and what are my accurate User and Group names
[01:33] <M1N10N> hello
[01:33] <dark^ngel> oferet: your DNS is not ready by the time ntpdate is requested
[01:33] <vaibhav> hi
[01:33] <jeffm_> dvsoftware: i think my interface file may be messed
[01:33] <dech> hmmmm :(
[01:33] <cafuego> tgz was invented for DOS users; because they can only have ONE dot.
[01:33] <oferet> Bug of the day. A scratched instalations disc!!!!
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> jeffm_: man interfaces gives you the format for that file
[01:34] <svu> why would I get errors regarding unknown mac_hid keys - trying to bind some keycodes to mouse2 and mouse3 buttons?
[01:34] <M1N10N> I need a bit o' help with dcc
[01:34] <HrdwrBoB> so you can fix it
[01:34] <six2one> has anyone had the problem in breezy col 3 where apt is running in the background but never completes so you cant update?
[01:34] <DVSoftware> jeffm_, try ifconfig wlan0 up
[01:34] <dech> ok new error during oss install :D
[01:34] <dech> Checking for any previously installed sound drivers... Done.
[01:34] <gabriel_> when i do rmmod fglrx it types : ERROR: Module fglrx does not exist in /proc/modules
[01:34] <dech> Couldn't dlopen /tmp/./ui_X.so
[01:34] <HrdwrBoB> oferet: ha! I had a broken CDROM, half installed some apckages and recovered from there :)
[01:34] <dech> libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[01:34] <dech> OSS/Linux kernel module not available. Cannot continue.
[01:34] <dech> It is likely that some important Linux packages are not
[01:34] <dech> installed which makes installing OSS impossible.
[01:34] <dech> im guessing install libgtk ?
[01:34] <oferet> ok guys how can I fix my connection to my router
[01:34] <oferet> it says that it cannot find a DHCP server while I have it
[01:34] <jeffm_> dvsoftware: ok
[01:34] <oferet> I have a cheap Blitzz router -> any suggstions?
[01:35] <M1N10N> I can send but not receive. using dlink 524
[01:35] <HrdwrBoB> oferet: is it connected etc?
[01:35] <gabriel_> dvsoftware any clue why? i have a ati radeon 9700
[01:35] <DVSoftware> dech, install libgtk
[01:35] <HrdwrBoB> oferet: you can run sudo dhclient on the command line to run it manually
[01:35] <oferet> also if someone can recommend some link that have tutorials on how to setup a server. I need to Run Java Applets, PHP, MySQL, JSP and in particualr Mambo
[01:35] <oferet> for practice
[01:35] <HrdwrBoB> M1N10N: what do you mean
[01:35] <ibthomson> cafuego: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1375 the last 2 lines are all I have in my chroot sources.list
[01:35] <DVSoftware> gabriel_, then you're using vesa drivers
[01:36] <HrdwrBoB> oferet: there's trillions all over the interweb, but php4, mysql, apache 1/2 (and I think tomcat) are all packaged
[01:36] <M1N10N> I'm not sure how to get xchat/router set up properly to let me send files
[01:36] <Impulse29> what is that file called that I have to run in ubuntu live so that I see ntfs and fat32 drives?
[01:36] <reiki> oferet: I have Mambo running here... easy easy
[01:36] <HrdwrBoB> M1N10N: that's entirely a router thign
[01:36] <Impulse29> someone sent it to me, but I don't know what the link was
[01:36] <M1N10N> I can receive in xchat, and with azu
[01:36] <jeffm_> DVsoftware: ok i did it
[01:36] <oferet> cool. Tnx guys
[01:37] <DVSoftware> did it bring wireless up?
[01:37] <darkheart> chrismy Sorry, I got bogged down with some work. Can you comment those lines out? What happens when you try to run it then?
[01:37] <reiki> oferet: write this down... http://str.blogsome.com/2005/06/30/ubuntu-apache-php-mysql-server/
[01:37] <lz> hi there
[01:37] <jeffm_> no, it just went to another prompt
[01:37] <darkheart> reiki You were talking with someone else (forget who) but I did say something also =) I saw your messages earlier on getting it to work.
[01:37] <oferet> I have more questions. I remember setting up a regular account so for the regualr operations of ubuntu
[01:37] <jeffm_> DVsoftware: no it just went to another prompt
[01:37] <oferet> but I cannot run dhclient with that account
[01:37] <DVSoftware> jeffm_, are you sure
[01:37] <oferet> I need to login into teh admin account
[01:37] <lz> For some reason I can only set my monitor's resolution below 1024 x 768
[01:37] <Impulse29> what do I need to see fat32 and ntfs on ubuntu??
[01:37] <DVSoftware> what ifconfig says
[01:37] <oferet> so login admin or sh admin should've worked no ?
[01:37] <lz> i want it to be 1600+
[01:38] <cafuego> !fat32
[01:38] <ubotu> I guess fat32 is http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[01:38] <gabriel> so dvsoftware how should i unload vesa module?
[01:38] <reiki> darkheart: do you think there's general interest in this or should I just sit here, fat, dumb, and happy that I have it working? :)
[01:38] <DVSoftware> jeffm_, pastebin "ifconfig" output
[01:38] <chrismy> darkheart, Syntax error on line 101 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf:
[01:38] <chrismy> Invalid command 'Christopher', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration
[01:38] <jeffm_> dvsoftware: yeah, i did ifconfig wlan0 up, then it went to another prompt, then i did ifconfig wlan0 and it gave info
[01:38] <dech> DVSoftware, im gonna try this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21211&page=1&pp=10&highlight=audigy
[01:38] <M1N10N> oh I had another question unrelated to irc.
[01:38] <cafuego> ibthomson: That is odd.
[01:38] <lz> I go to System | Pref | Screen Resolution | For some reason I can only set my monitor's resolution below 1024 x 768
[01:39] <darkheart> reiki I think if you got something working, you should make note of it =) bound to be someone else that wants to have the same set up.
[01:39] <cafuego> ibthomson: Is 'apt-get update' somehow failing?
[01:39] <hmrocha> hi
[01:39] <Karhuton> Lynden, you don't have higher resolutions defined in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:39] <hmrocha> i don't know why my games don't have sound!
[01:39] <darkheart> chrismy Comment those lines out (put # in front of them)
[01:39] <jeffm_> DVsoftware: ok, but im not on the computer im doing this on, because no internet. im gonna type it out
[01:39] <M1N10N> I have an 80GB WD that was ntfs. I recently deleted/recreated the entire partition and formatted it in ext3
[01:39] <ibthomson> cafuego: nope, that's working fine
[01:39] <gabriel> DVSoftware how do i unload vesa module?
[01:40] <M1N10N> but its only giving my 69.4 GB as opposed to the 74 and change I used to get
[01:40] <DVSoftware> gabriel, you have to kill x server
[01:40] <cafuego> ibthomson: What does 'apt-cache show libice-dev' say?
[01:40] <chrismy> darkheart, ermm how? example?
[01:40] <DVSoftware> and then unload vesafb
[01:40] <M1N10N> is there more overhead with ext3?
[01:40] <DVSoftware> i guess
[01:40] <Lynden> I have inside xorg.conf: Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[01:40] <jabra> anyone know if qt4 is in breezy yet?
[01:40] <omp342> ubuntu > fedora :)
[01:40] <reiki> M1N10N: check your BIOS on bootup and see if bios is seeing the whole drive
[01:40] <Spudchat> speakin of hdds do i have to defrag it or is it done automagically?
[01:40] <chrismy> darkheart, i copied that from when i restart Apache2
[01:40] <gabriel> dvsoftware well that is not the answer to hibernation i guess
[01:40] <cafuego> !info libqt breezy
[01:40] <ibthomson> cafuego: plenty of information on that package, no errors
[01:40] <darkheart> chrismy Those two lines you have that start with christopher, put a # at the beginning of them.
[01:41] <DVSoftware> gabriel, only that way you can unload vesa
[01:41] <Lynden> i chagned my xorg.conf a little eralier.... do i need to do anything to let x know the new config?
[01:41] <oferet> guys how do I login, into the admin account
[01:41] <Karhuton> Lynden, restart it?
[01:41] <M1N10N> ok, though I'm sure it does. I had it mounted before with the ntfs partition still intact and it showed fullsize.
[01:41] <chrismy> darkheart, oh...i try with the # preceeding them
[01:41] <Dime> hey guys how do i add terminal and gdesklets to my start-up?
[01:41] <M1N10N> can't boot atm but I'll check it out, thanks
[01:41] <darkheart> chrismy Yes, what happens when you try with the preceeding #?
[01:42] <cafuego> ibthomson: Install 'libice-dev' by hand to figure out which actual apckage is broken
[01:42] <snorks> is there a search feature for apt-get? Like "apt-get --search quake3" would show me apt-get'able stuff with quake3?
[01:42] <Lynden> karhuton: for some reason it doesn't show 1280 x 1024 even after i restarted it... do you guys have a good xorg.conf sample file?
[01:42] <reiki> M1N10N: I just had a similar experience installing a new 160GB drive... this machine is older and bios didn't see the drive right
[01:42] <LinuxJones> Dime, system >> Preferences >> Sessions >> Startup programs
[01:42] <gabriel> dvsoftware but isn't x server necessary for linux to stay alive? i mean can i unload xserver to hibernate and then load it again?
[01:42] <janice> unable to 'gethostbyname' any ideas on how to fix?
[01:42] <snorks> Lynden, during ubuntu install where yo uget asked for resolution, do you hit enter at preferred reso, or do you mark it with space?
[01:42] <M1N10N> were you able to get it to see the complete drive?
[01:42] <chrismy> darkheart, cool! no comments....means it worked?
[01:42] <LinuxJones> snorks, apt-cache search <packagename>
[01:43] <darkheart> chrismy Yes, it means that the config file loaded correctly. Did you try starting apache?
[01:43] <surfdue> how do i get these Sound Drivers snd_via82xx, snd_usb_audio, snd_intel8x0 (OSS emulation)
[01:43] <reiki> M1N10N: yes. I had to go to my motherboard manufacturer's site and download a bios update and flash the bios :)
[01:43] <snorks> LinuxJones, now what? didnt give me anything
[01:43] <M1N10N> agh
[01:43] <Lynden> i hit enter snorks :(
[01:43] <snorks> LinuxJones, dont get me wrong, thanks for trying to help :)
[01:43] <LinuxJones> snorks, there are no packages with the name you put in
[01:43] <chrismy> darkheart, hmm start apache? how do you mean?
[01:43] <snorks> Lynden, i just did an install, first time i hit enter, and got 1024x768
[01:43] <M1N10N> I've alrday got 20 gigs of crap on it so I guess I"ll live with it for now :P
[01:44] <chrismy> darkheart, i restarted it yes is that what you meant?
[01:44] <ibthomson> cafuego: after single apt-gets for dependencies I get down to this: The following packages have unmet dependencies: libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu14 is to be installed E: Broken packages
[01:44] <snorks> Lynden, then i marked 1280x1024 during next install, and now i have 1280x1024
[01:44] <M1N10N> already*
[01:44] <snorks> Lynden, with space
[01:44] <chrismy> darkheart, sudo /usr/sbin/apache2ctl restart
[01:44] <Lynden> heheh you are suggesting me to reinstall it?
[01:44] <hmrocha> today i change some pc's in my college from mandrake to ubuntu
[01:44] <snorks> LinuxJones, ok:)
[01:44] <Lynden> takes a while :/
[01:44] <DVSoftware> somebody explain gabriel what is x server please
[01:44] <snorks> Lynden, takes about 20 mins here
[01:44] <hmrocha> is it possible to remove the "Administration" submenu from the "System" menu ?
[01:44] <surfdue> how do i get these Sound Drivers snd_via82xx, snd_usb_audio, snd_intel8x0 (OSS emulation)
[01:45] <snorks> Lynden, anyway, find out vert and horiz refresh rate, and editing xorg.conf should be easy
[01:45] <stizoner> should i use updates for stuff i allready have when they come up in backport repositorys?
[01:45] <snorks> Lynden, perhaps there some fancy gui for editing xorg.conf aswell
[01:45] <surfdue> anyone???
[01:45] <Peaker> iiiears: from lspci all I know is that it is an Intel Mobile Display adapter rev 03, but google'ing doesn't seem to find anything about that not working with ubunutu
[01:45] <darkheart> chrismy Okay, so it's running? When you do 'ps ax|grep apache' something shows up?
[01:45] <reiki> stizoner: I wouldn't. but that's just me
[01:46] <Ice9> I followed the instructions on the link that comes up with !ati, but I still can't get 3d support working
[01:46] <muffin_> wine does not support xp.... ?!?!?
[01:46] <GoClick> Which has better SAMBA config GUI tools, GNOME or KDE?
[01:46] <Lynden> ok i edited my xorg.conf at the wrong section
[01:46] <snorks> Ok, under the unofficial cedega for amd64 walkthrough on some wiki, it tells you to " Download transgaming*.deb into your home directory.". What file is that? Is that p2p?
[01:46] <Lynden> let me try restarting it now :D
[01:46] <hmrocha> GoClick, i guess none of them has one
[01:46] <DVSoftware> muffin_, what do yo mean with xp?
[01:46] <Lynden> thanks for your help snorksss
[01:46] <snorks> good luck Lynden
[01:47] <snorks> Ice9, i just got it to work
[01:47] <muffin_> DVSoftware, software that only runs in windows xp
[01:47] <snorks> !ati
[01:47] <ubotu> methinks ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[01:47] <zukalk> hey all
[01:47] <requiem_> hello
[01:47] <GoClick> hmrocha what do you mean?
[01:47] <Ice9> snorks, by following that site?
[01:47] <chrismy> darkheart, i am a noob. i do not know i have to do the 'ps ax|grep apache'. now my website failed to load(http://clch.zapto.org) also means Apache is not running
[01:47] <requiem_> I have a windows partition
[01:47] <hmrocha> GoClick, that's a distribution "problem"
[01:47] <hmrocha> GoClick, some distros have programs to configure that kind of software
[01:47] <marcin> hi all
[01:47] <miguel> hi guys, I need some help
[01:48] <DVSoftware> muffin_, just change windows version in config
[01:48] <DVSoftware> /home/you/.wine/config
[01:48] <chrismy> darkheart, ok this is the result 11532 pts/0 R+ 0:00 grep apache
[01:48] <stizoner> Couldn't find package flashplayer-mozilla
[01:48] <miguel> I am trying to install teTeX
[01:48] <snorks> Ice9, yeah. Do: "sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx" then "echo fglrx | sudo tee -a /etc/modules" then "sudo sed -i -e 's/"ati"/"fglrx"/' /etc/X11/xorg.conf" and I rebooted and it worked
[01:48] <miguel> but I am stuck
[01:48] <marcin> does anyone here knows if are there plans to create Skype for gnome?
[01:48] <no_dammagE> hey, now I'm here with sound problems: neither alsa (noatun) nor oss (cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp) work ...
[01:48] <GoClick> Well there are going to be specific tools which some would say are the best for configuring SAMBA and I'm looking for personal opinions here and since most of the tools I've seen aren't for both what would you rather configure a server with?
[01:48] <requiem_> but I haven't got ubuntu to auto config that partition, what module should I look for to mount in fat32 ?
[01:48] <DVSoftware> chrismy, apache is not started
[01:48] <omp342> wow
[01:48] <requiem_> I tried lsmod | grep -i fat
[01:48] <requiem_> but nothing
[01:48] <chrismy> DVSoftware, hmmm
[01:48] <omp342> its so easy to install wine with ubuntu
[01:48] <snorks> Ice9, this is the easiest ATI configin ive EVER done. I spent 1 week getting it to work (on x86 gentoo install) before
[01:49] <requiem_> hmrocha, sup
[01:49] <reiki> chrismy: ty sudo /etc/init.d/apache restart
[01:49] <no_dammagE> the sound card is either ensoniq ES 1370 or 1371, i don't remember it correctly ...
[01:49] <hmrocha> requiem_, hello :)
[01:49] <reiki> s/try/ty
[01:49] <requiem_> sup dude ?
[01:49] <hmrocha> requiem_, i'm fine, but i'm having some trouble with sound in ubuntu
[01:49] <chrismy> it says NOT RUNNING
[01:49] <requiem_> sabes se preciso usar outro kernel para ter o fat32 l ?
[01:49] <miguel> can someone help me out
[01:49] <stizoner> lol
[01:49] <oferet> guys: does Ubuntu during the installations create a password for root or admin account ?
[01:49] <cafuego> !es
[01:49] <miguel> ?
[01:49] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[01:50] <requiem_> hmrocha, :\
[01:50] <requiem_> damn
[01:50] <oferet> which account is it ? root or admin
[01:50] <darkheart> chrismy Try doing start not restart
[01:50] <hmrocha> requiem_, just use mount -t vfat
[01:50] <Impulse29> how can I go to a root user?
[01:50] <reiki> chrismy: ok try sudo /etc/init.d/apache start
[01:50] <cafuego> requiem_: Downlaod and run the script ubotu told you about
[01:50] <chrismy> yes!
[01:50] <Impulse29> I'm getting access denied
[01:50] <cafuego> requiem_: That will make an entry in /etc/fstab for you.
[01:50] <chrismy> it says STARTING WEB SERVER
[01:50] <chrismy> :D
[01:50] <chrismy> let me try my site
[01:50] <reiki> there ya go
[01:50] <reiki> :)
[01:50] <DVSoftware> Impulse29, sudo -i
[01:50] <snorks> Ice9, good luckl
[01:50] <jeffm_> DVSoftware: ok, this is my pastebin of ifconfig wlan0: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1376
[01:50] <LinuxJones> GoClick, there are hundreds of samba tutorials around have you checked out the one on the wiki page ?
[01:50] <snorks> Ice9, hope you get it to work. btw, i have radeon 9800
[01:50] <requiem_> cafuego, already did that
[01:50] <Ice9> thanks snorks
[01:51] <requiem_> hhmm
[01:51] <requiem_> that's the module
[01:51] <Ice9> I've been trying everything for the past couple days, i've a 9250
[01:51] <reiki> chrismy: I think it's put a default site in apache_default folder withing /var/www
[01:51] <chrismy> reiki, darkheart erm......not working
[01:51] <cafuego> requiem_: You don't _need_ modules.
[01:51] <stizoner> ive got a radeon 9500, works fine here without doing anything
[01:51] <darkheart> chrismy What happens?
[01:51] <cafuego> requiem_: If the partition exists, the script will detect and mount it.
[01:51] <cafuego> requiem_: If it does NOT exist, you're asking the wrong question.
[01:51] <chrismy> darkheart, my site is failed. http://clch.zapto.org
[01:52] <reiki> chrismy: try http://localhost/apache2-default
[01:52] <surfdue> Warning: /dev/dsp appears to be a valid audio device, but I cannot
[01:52] <surfdue> open it. Please ensure that no other applications are
[01:52] <surfdue> using the audio device (perhaps by trying ``lsof /dev/dsp'').
[01:52] <chrismy> darkheart, means apache2 is not functioning right?
[01:52] <surfdue> is there a way i can get aroung this
[01:52] <requiem_> thanks you guys
[01:52] <surfdue> and use skype and xlite
[01:52] <Impulse29> DVSoftware, thank you:)
[01:52] <Misos> Where is the message "The programs included with the Ubuntu system are free software;....." stored?
[01:52] <requiem_> cafuego, it isn't autoloading
[01:52] <chrismy> reiki, it says connection refused
[01:52] <requiem_> I might put it in /etc/modules
[01:52] <reiki> chrismy: hold a sec... lemme try mine here...
[01:53] <muffin_> !dcom98.exe
[01:53] <ubotu> I don't know, muffin_
[01:53] <Zodiac> Guys, I can't get sound to work for Frozen Bubble
[01:53] <Zodiac> What is the deal?
[01:53] <Misos> Does anyone know?
[01:53] <mveers> Misos: I think /etc/motd
[01:53] <mcphail> surfdue: fuser /dev/dsp
[01:53] <Misos> that's it, ty
[01:53] <reiki> chrismy: mine worked just now using that URL
[01:53] <mveers> np
[01:53] <Impulse29> if I'm in VMware workstation, and I specify that my second hard drive in my comptuer is the primary hard drive for the workstation, and then run ubuntu on a freeBSD base, it cannot detect my first primary hard drive right?
[01:53] <surfdue> /dev/dsp: 8594
[01:54] <befactory> i need put a rural Tv station on internet is posible whit ubuntu
[01:54] <mcphail> surfdue: kill 9 8594
[01:54] <stizoner> wow get tons of questions, should devide #ubuntu up into seperate channels for types of questions, maybe even a channel just to bs
[01:54] <mcphail> -9
[01:54] <darkheart> chrismy Do you have a firewall or router?
[01:54] <surfdue> no
[01:54] <dech> OK :D rebooting after following http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21211&page=1&pp=10&highlight=audigy wish me luck :D
[01:54] <Zodiac> Anyone have any ideas?
[01:54] <surfdue> i dont want 2 kill it
[01:54] <surfdue> i want 2 run BOTH
[01:54] <DVSoftware> jeffm_, it means that your wireless connection is up
[01:54] <chrismy> reiki, coz that is your local machine
[01:54] <reiki> chrismy: I just have a default apache2 install here. Didn't touch conf files or anything
[01:54] <LinuxJones> befactory, for how many users ?
[01:54] <snorks> Does anyone here have cedega working on a ubuntu amd64 install?
[01:55] <befactory> many many
[01:55] <reiki> chrismy: yes I know it's my local machine... :) I was just checking to see if what I was telling was working here
[01:55] <no_dammagE> funny thing: alsamixer detected my soundcard, but I have no sound :/
[01:55] <chrismy> darkheart, yes router but was successful. ok now i make the apache2.conf to default and see if it works. hold on
[01:55] <jeffm_> dvsoftware: ok, no how do i connect to a network?
[01:55] <befactory> 5000 user
[01:55] <miguel> can some1 help me out with a PATH related problem?
[01:55] <surfdue> how do i get dmix
[01:55] <Karhuton> Impulse29, Propably
[01:55] <Ice9> anybody else have suggestions as to why I can't get 3d support with my radeon card?
[01:55] <DVSoftware> snorks, i have cedega on 64bit
[01:56] <Karhuton> Impulse29, Vmware doesn't touch devices you haven't assigned for it
[01:56] <snorks> surfdue, new alsa drivers does it automaticly. but you would need alsa compiled as modules
[01:56] <surfdue> how
[01:56] <surfdue> can u help
[01:56] <surfdue> i installed alsa via deb pakcages
[01:56] <snorks> DVSoftware, i found this walkthrough, and it tells me to "Download transgaming*.deb into your home directory." <- what file is that? Do I really need it?
[01:56] <Zodiac> Frozen bubble no sound, anyone have any ideas?
[01:56] <Karhuton> Impulse29, the list of devices it has are listed in the properties page, and on the right of the screen when you have the virtual machine tab open
[01:56] <Impulse29> kk, that's what I thought:) just because I'm copying an image from one drive to another (must be done through linux), and the path says hda, which I assume that vmware made my second drive...
[01:56] <snorks> surfdue, tho i cant really help you since i did this under gentoo and not ubuntu
[01:56] <Karhuton> Impulse29, and most of the devices the _guest_ os sees are emulated
[01:57] <chrismy> darkheart, reiki yes http://clch.zapto.org is working now..........this is without the User and Group(default)
[01:57] <surfdue> !alsa
[01:57] <ubotu> well, alsa is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063, or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[01:57] <DVSoftware> snorks, you don't need it
[01:57] <Impulse29> thanks Karhuton, you've been really helpful
[01:57] <Karhuton> Impulse29, for example you'll be using a 'vmware' xserver and sound driver. Not ATI's display card or Creative's Audigy
[01:57] <darkheart> chrismy Yes =) I see it came up
[01:57] <snorks> DVSoftware, ok. would you like to help me tomorrow when i have cedega4-4-1?
[01:57] <LinuxJones> befactory, you can setup a streaming server using this >> http://www.fluendo.com/ The server software is available in the Ubuntu repos and works quite well. Thery even offer technical support and additional features :)
[01:57] <befactory> yes?
[01:58] <DVSoftware> i will not be available next week
[01:58] <DVSoftware> starting tomorrow
[01:58] <darkheart> chrismy So you are okay then?
[01:58] <snorks> DVSoftware, I have to turn to mean means to get cedega :/ I live in Norway and don't possess a legal VISA to get an account on transgaming.org :/ I have money for it and I would gladly pay, but I can't. Is there any way you want to send it to me instead of me having to download it as torrent? :))
[01:58] <befactory> Linux Jones Fluendo is GPL?>
[01:58] <dech> Woohooo
[01:58] <chrismy> darkheart, yup so how in the world i setup the PHP and Apache2?
[01:58] <chrismy> what User and Group name they want?
[01:59] <snorks> DVSoftware, err. my VISA is legal, but its VISA electron which can't be used for shopping online
[01:59] <surfdue> in gstreamer-properties when i change to also
[01:59] <surfdue> i test
[01:59] <surfdue> it says failed to make pipeline for alsa
[01:59] <darkheart> chrismy I can help you with that later if no one else does. I'm getting ready to leave for home now.
[01:59] <chrismy> darkheart, no no no not ok. that is the default settings. means PHPi s not set
[01:59] <LinuxJones> befactory, yeah it's working with/contributing to the gstreamer project
[01:59] <jeffm_> DVSoftware: my kwifi manager is saying that there is full signal strength, how do i connect to the network/
[01:59] <jeffm_> ?
[01:59] <darkheart> chrismy Ahh..I see...Well, I have to leave now. If you want I can help you when I get home...about 1 hour.
[01:59] <chrismy> darkheart, ok.....i don;t think there is anyone to help :P
[01:59] <dech> DVSoftware, thanks man, got it working it hink :) sound appears and i can change volume, copying over a song from samba share to listen to to double check
[01:59] <darkheart> chrismy If not, I will help you later if you are on.
[01:59] <chrismy> darkheart, sure i WILL wait
[01:59] <DVSoftware> errrmmm... snorks what is problem with torrent?
[01:59] <darkheart> chrismy Okay, see you later then.
[02:00] <chrismy> darkheart, for my own sake i will
[02:00] <chrismy> ok
[02:00] <chrismy> byebye
[02:00] <LinuxJones> befactory, and yes it's GPL but they have some additions stuff like gui admin tools and tech support that you have to pay for.
[02:00] <chrismy> thankssssssssssssss
[02:00] <surfdue> anyone?
[02:00] <darkheart> Freedom!!!!
[02:00] <snorks> DVSoftware, its slow :/ 0.07KB/s-slow..
[02:00] <snorks> !cedega amd64
[02:00] <ubotu> snorks: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[02:00] <surfdue> in gstreamer-properties when i change to alsa i hit test, and it says failed to construct pipeline
[02:00] <DVSoftware> jeffm_, what kind of network?
[02:00] <DVSoftware> snorks, it was fast when i downloaded it
[02:00] <Ice9> how do I use a .run file?
[02:01] <snorks> DVSoftware, ok.
[02:01] <jeffm_> DVSoftware: a wireless network, im trying to steal internet connection
[02:01] <snorks> DVSoftware, Did you use a walkthrough? Could you point me to it?
[02:01] <dech> snorks are the torrent ports forwarder if you have a router ? or unblocked if you have a firewall
[02:01] <DVSoftware> snorks, wait a couple of minutes, and i will give you direct link
[02:01] <IcemanV9> Ice9: ./<program>.run
[02:01] <snorks> DVSoftware, you rule more than anything has ever ruled before
[02:01] <snorks> dech, I'm not sure, m8
[02:01] <befactory> thankssssssssssssss
[02:01] <jeffm_> lol he sure does
[02:02] <snorks> dech, I've gotten fast enough torrents before under windows
[02:02] <snorks> dech, so I guess they're forwarded (no firewall here)
[02:02] <miguel> anybody could help me w/ a teTeX installation question?
[02:03] <dech> snorks, ok just thought id check :) usually though worst case scenarios non port forwards will only slow to 5kbs or so
[02:03] <dech> not much less
[02:03] <usun_> hi all,
[02:03] <dech> Hi :)
[02:03] <help> how do i install /home/usun/Desktop/ffmpeg2theora-1.13.linux.bin
[02:03] <help> ?
[02:03] <DVSoftware> jeffm_, to steal internet connection???
[02:03] <DVSoftware> well, is it pppoe or vpn?
[02:03] <snorks> dech, I think a guy is leeching torrents on my network... and he has probably not capped upload rate. I get 600 kbit/s where I should normally get 2mbit
[02:03] <help> how do i install a .bin file
[02:04] <snorks> bukaka, mount it?
[02:04] <jeffm_> DVSoftware: yeah, i dont know if its pppoe or vpn
[02:04] <bukaka> has anyone worked with ffmpeg2theora?
[02:04] <DVSoftware> just run it
[02:04] <bukaka> snorks, how?
[02:04] <requiem_> hmrocha, what's up with your sound ?
[02:04] <dech> snorks, wow i wish i had your speeds, im only on 1.5mbit dsl
[02:04] <snorks> bukaka, .bin sounds like a image
[02:04] <bukaka> what is the command
[02:04] <hmrocha> requiem_, sound is working fine, but i don't have sound in games
[02:04] <LinuxJones> bukaka, sh file.bin
[02:04] <snorks> dech, 2000/400 here :) and not pppoe, and no limits :) its a super isp
[02:04] <hmrocha> requiem_, frozen bubble for example, doesn't have sound
[02:04] <requiem_> hmrocha, do you have 2 sound drivers ?
[02:05] <DVSoftware> jeffm_, probably pppoe
[02:05] <hmrocha> requiem_, i have no idea
[02:05] <requiem_> uuhh
[02:05] <DVSoftware> you have to rename connection to eth1 for example
[02:05] <snorks> bukaka, i assume you use ubuntu, have you tried rightclicking that file and mount it?
[02:05] <DVSoftware> to use it with pppoe
[02:05] <requiem_> hmrocha, do you have an onboard soundcard and a pci soundcard ?
[02:05] <DVSoftware> hint: ifrename
[02:05] <bukaka> snorks, ohh... no i never have
[02:05] <bukaka> !
[02:05] <ubotu> bukaka: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[02:05] <dech> snorks, sounds like it, i am in australia and my isp is currently 1.5mbit/256kbit no caps pppoe i think
[02:05] <requiem_> if that's so, that's maybe the confusion
[02:05] <snorks> bukaka, I have no idea if it works, but .bin sounds like an image of something. I started using ubuntu today (and i love it)
[02:05] <DVSoftware> and then iwconfig eth1 essid NETWORK NAME
[02:05] <bukaka> snorks, i use command line
[02:05] <hmrocha> requiem_, oh sound cards, no, i just have an onboard one
[02:06] <snorks> bukaka, whats the file called?
[02:06] <requiem_> are you on alsa ?
[02:06] <miguel> can someone tell me how do i find out my platform directory?
[02:06] <miguel> thx
[02:06] <bukaka> snorks, that doesnt work
[02:06] <bukaka> its not windows
[02:06] <hmrocha> requiem_, in volume control i have two devices
[02:06] <hmrocha> requiem_, OSS and Alsa
[02:06] <DVSoftware> bukaka, just type ./ffmpeg2theora-1.13.linux.bin
[02:06] <jeffm_> DVSoftware: ok, so to connect to the wireless network, i have to rename my wlan0 eth1? what if i already have eth1?
[02:06] <deepjohn> hi
[02:07] <LinuxJones> bukaka, change to your home dorectory and type >> sh ffmpeg2theora-1.13.linux.bin
[02:07] <snorks> bukaka, well i guess there's daemon tools for linux.
[02:07] <DVSoftware> if not try sh ffmpeg....etc....bin
[02:07] <requiem_> hmrocha, maybe one of them is being overlaped ?
[02:07] <snorks> bukaka, but as i said, never used .bin files before in ubuntu (not in gentoo either i think)
[02:07] <sambagirl> anyone using NVU?
[02:07] <DVSoftware> jeffm_, rename it to eth<anything>
[02:08] <hmrocha> requiem_, maybe, but i don't know how to fix this
[02:08] <DVSoftware> just because pppd won't work with wlan interface name
[02:08] <LinuxJones> sambagirl, there is a howto on the wiki how to install it
[02:08] <requiem_> hmrocha, do you need oss ?
[02:08] <omp342> hey i installed wine from apt-get
[02:08] <hmrocha> requiem_, i guess not
[02:08] <omp342> how do i know what directory its in?
[02:08] <sambagirl> i am already using it linuxjones but thank you.
[02:09] <popey> omp342: why do you want to know?
[02:09] <muffin_> whats a good place for getting more radio stations for rhythmbox?
[02:09] <sambagirl> i just wanted to comment on what a fabulous applictaion it is, it's better than dreamweaver sorta ;)
[02:09] <popey> omp342: your wine files generally live under .wine
[02:09] <LinuxJones> omp342, whereis wine
[02:09] <jeffm_> DVSoftware: ok, how do i rename? right now its wlan0...
[02:09] <bukaka> DVSoftware, but where do i put the file?
[02:09] <omp342> k
[02:09] <bukaka> in home?
[02:09] <sambagirl> did you program NVU linux.jones?
[02:09] <requiem_> hmrocha, you use beep right ?
[02:10] <DVSoftware> bukaka, just run it god damnit
[02:10] <hmrocha> requiem_, beep media player? of course not! i use muine
[02:10] <iiiears> muffin "streamtuner"
[02:10] <DVSoftware> its self extracting arhive
[02:10] <DVSoftware> jeffm_, man ifrename
[02:10] <sambagirl> jammin is the best program for internet radio
[02:10] <miguel> anybody could help me with a command line question?
[02:10] <LinuxJones> sambagirl, no sorry, but there probably is a nvu irc channel
[02:10] <delltony> bukaka, if its a bin file you should be able to type sudo ./<whateverbin> being that its a binary file and not a .bin file as a iso image
[02:10] <requiem_> hmrocha, does it has a certain thing to choose the device ?
[02:10] <dech> DVSoftware my sound is working :P
[02:10] <sambagirl> ravendell.com or something like that
[02:10] <dech> Thanks man
[02:10] <snorks> DVSoftware, did you use a walkthrough on the web to get cedega to work?
[02:10] <hmrocha> requiem_, muine just plays fine
[02:10] <requiem_> uhh
[02:11] <requiem_> I know
[02:11] <Misos> What's the best way to kill X11 when it's running?
[02:11] <muffin_> what shall i do in wime: err:setupapi:SetupDefaultQueueCallbackA delete error 2 (and 3)
[02:11] <DVSoftware> snorks, yes
[02:11] <hmrocha> requiem_, i have sound in all gnome applications
[02:11] <requiem_> but muine problably has alsa on it, and frozen bubble has oss
[02:11] <omp342> i think soemthing went wrong =/
[02:11] <requiem_> hmrocha, that to
[02:11] <omp342> wine SteamInstall_CS.exe doesnt work
[02:11] <Juhaz> Misos, ctrl+alt+backspace
[02:11] <bukaka> DVSoftware, i get this error - ffmpeg2theora-1.13.linux.bin: ffmpeg2theora-1.13.linux.bin: cannot execute binary file
[02:11] <Misos> When I did that it restarted itself
[02:11] <jeffm_> DVsoftware: it says Warning: Interface name is 'eth0' at line 2, can't be mapped reliably
[02:11] <LinuxJones> Misos, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop to make it permenantly off
[02:12] <derek> is there a way to readily debug usb
[02:12] <Juhaz> no, gdm restarted it after it died
[02:12] <hmrocha> requiem_, how can i change frozen-bubble to use alsa?
[02:12] <Misos> I don't want it off perm
[02:12] <derek> i have hotplug installed, but printer seems to not exist
[02:12] <DVSoftware> jeffm_, dunno really
[02:12] <snorks> DVSoftware, do you remember the url? And btw, the file, did you forget it or should I do other things? :-) I don't mean to nag
[02:12] <Ice9> I downloaded this from ati, ati-driver-installer-8.16.20-i386.run, but I can't seem to execute it
[02:12] <omp342> argh wine is so hard to install =/
[02:12] <Misos> meh
[02:12] <miguel> could someone tell me what thiss is? PATH=/usr/local/teTeX/bin/i686-pc-linux-gnu:$PATH; export PATH
[02:12] <LinuxJones> Misos, you jsut want terminal access ?
[02:12] <DVSoftware> snorks, i don't remember it, i always google for it
[02:12] <requiem_> hmrocha, I dunno, but you could give sound to oss
[02:12] <omp342> i wrote
[02:12] <omp342> apt-get install cvs build-essential bison flex-old libasound2-dev x-window-system-dev libpng12-dev libjpeg62-dev libfreetype6-dev libxrender-dev libttf2 libttf-dev msttcorefonts libfontconfig1-dev
[02:12] <omp342> to get wine
[02:12] <requiem_> did you try it ?
[02:13] <omp342> is that correct?
[02:13] <dech> Ok, so now another big leap from windows to a fast becoming favourite among my preferences, ubuntu, anybody know of an msn client ?kopete is useless and keeps telling me my password is wrong, though i know my own pass :P
[02:13] <hmrocha> requiem_, oss has sound enabled
[02:13] <Misos> See, I have it set so gdm doesn't load on boot - but when I need to go into gdm, I don't want to have to reboot to exit
[02:13] <bukaka> DVSoftware, what does it mean when i get this error ffmpeg2theora-1.13.linux.bin: ffmpeg2theora-1.13.linux.bin: cannot execute binary file
[02:13] <derek> /proc/bus/usb exists but has no devices
[02:13] <snorks> DVSoftware, do you remember the words you used? is it "http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu#How_to_install_Cedega_on_AMD64"?
[02:13] <snorks> dech, use gaim
[02:13] <DVSoftware> it's that
[02:13] <hmrocha> requiem_, when i change the sound volume, i always do it to the OSS
[02:13] <derek> /var/log/messages when plugging in device doesn't give anything helpful
[02:13] <snorks> DVSoftware, ok
[02:13] <DVSoftware> bukaka
[02:13] <requiem_> hhmmm
[02:13] <hmrocha> requiem_, alsa has volume too
[02:13] <requiem_> odd
[02:13] <requiem_> wait
[02:13] <apjone> hey peps
[02:13] <snorks> DVSoftware, you just skipped the transgaming* .deb part?
[02:13] <Ice9> I downloaded this from ati, ati-driver-installer-8.16.20-i386.run, but I can't seem to execute it
[02:13] <DVSoftware> did you tried sh binfile.bin
[02:14] <DVSoftware> snorks, yes
[02:14] <apjone> ?
[02:14] <snorks> DVSoftware, thanks man
[02:14] <bukaka> DVSoftware, yes this is my command
[02:14] <apjone> hi can any one see me, damn router
[02:14] <miguel> yes
[02:14] <DVSoftware> bukaka
[02:14] <apjone> nice one
[02:14] <bukaka> DVSoftware, sh /home/usun/ffmpeg2theora-1.13.linux.bin
[02:14] <DVSoftware> open that file with some text editor
[02:14] <miguel> apjone, can you help me out?
[02:15] <apjone> sure
[02:15] <bukaka> DvSOftware, sh ffmpeg2theora-1.1.linux.bin
[02:15] <bukaka> yes thats what i did
[02:15] <snorks> dech, GAIM is as easy to use as MSN messenger, but faster, less shitty buttons. Negative parts are: no fast way to fix nick, slower filetransfers than with msn messenger
[02:15] <DVSoftware> and pastebin first few lines
[02:15] <miguel> i am trying to install teTeX
[02:15] <apjone> ye
[02:15] <requiem_> hmrocha, this maybe gives you a few hints
[02:15] <requiem_> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/alsa-guide.xml
[02:15] <Ice9> I downloaded this from ati, ati-driver-installer-8.16.20-i386.run, but I can't seem to execute it
[02:15] <miguel> and at some point the instructions aks me to:Use something like the following, but replace i686-pc-linux-gnu by your
[02:15] <miguel> actual platform directory:
[02:15] <miguel> PATH=/usr/local/teTeX/bin/i686-pc-linux-gnu:$PATH; export PATH
[02:15] <requiem_> brb
[02:15] <hmrocha> requiem_, thanks, i'll read it
[02:15] <snorks> Does xmms work under amd64_
[02:15] <bukaka> DVSoftware, it doesn't open
[02:15] <Mens> Hello can someone recomend me a good FTP client with GUI? Becouse that build in ftp in konsole is crap
[02:16] <apjone> wow , calm down , sorry thats im just a noob
[02:16] <bukaka> DVSoftware, it doesnt open in text editor
[02:16] <LinuxJones> Mens, gftp
[02:16] <castingpearls> Mens: gftp
[02:16] <miguel> sorry
[02:16] <snorks> !xmms amd64
[02:16] <ubotu> snorks: I don't know
[02:16] <dech> snorks, thanks will get it now :)
[02:16] <miguel> thx anyway
[02:16] <castingpearls> !gftp
[02:16] <ubotu> castingpearls: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[02:16] <LinuxJones> Mens, you can also use nautilus (the gnome file manager)
[02:16] <bimberi> snorks: you can check on http://packages.ubuntu.com
[02:17] <castingpearls> !alsa
[02:17] <ubotu> alsa is, like, totally, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063, or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[02:17] <stizoner> operation not permited, setlenghts fails..... is what i get when i try to open a torrent to seed with azurues
[02:17] <miguel> can anybody who is familiar with installing software from the terminal help me, plz?
[02:17] <Mens> ok thx im checking out gftp
[02:17] <befactory> Linux Jones
[02:18] <befactory> i install the flumotion
[02:18] <bukaka> anyone know how to install this?
[02:18] <bukaka> ffmpeg2theora-1.13.linux.bin
[02:18] <Ice9> when I do ./ati-driver-installer-8.16.20-i386.run , I get a "command not found"
[02:18] <befactory> and no pass to the admin interface
[02:19] <LinuxJones> befactory, you probably have to run the admin too using sudo
[02:19] <LinuxJones> err tool
[02:19] <befactory> ohhh thax
[02:19] <hmrocha> requiem_, running frozen-bubble from the command line i get this...
[02:19] <hmrocha> requiem_, Warning: can't initialize sound (reason: No available audio device).
[02:20] <Ice9> anybody have any ideas?
[02:20] <Karhuton> Ice9, do: sh ati.....run
[02:20] <hmrocha> requiem_, i don't know why
[02:20] <befactory> ERROR: .pem file /etc/flumotion/default.pem does not exist
[02:20] <Karhuton> Ice9, or "chmod +x ati...run"
[02:20] <befactory> what?
[02:21] <requiem_> hmrocha, man frozen-bubble
[02:21] <requiem_> hmrocha, is there a option to use a specific sound driver ?
[02:22] <befactory> linux jones this error is ERROR: .pem file /etc/flumotion/default.pem does not exist
[02:22] <Ice9> YES! thanks so much Karhuton!
[02:22] <hmrocha> requiem_, nop
[02:22] <LinuxJones> befactory, search google there is a fix for that, I have see that error before try googling that error + ubuntu
[02:22] <Karhuton> Ice9, if you manage to install it, please tell me
[02:22] <Ice9> its installing now
[02:22] <befactory> thax
[02:23] <speel> !skype
[02:23] <ubotu> well, skype is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/, or deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
[02:23] <Karhuton> Ice9, pm me when you get it up and running
[02:23] <Noki> hi all
[02:24] <requiem_> hmrocha, did you tried alsamixer ?
[02:24] <requiem_> is your master speaker off ?
[02:25] <stizoner> Error: operation not permitted, setLenghts fails /mnt/windows/bittorrent/temp/XXX.avi ..... in azurues when i try to seed a torrent ive allready downloaded
[02:25] <th4_bandit> anyone knoe the default root password for ubuntu linux?
[02:25] <th4_bandit> it never asked me to set one
[02:26] <DVSoftware> !root
[02:26] <ubotu> [root] disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[02:26] <Kyral> there isn't one
[02:26] <Kyral> you preface all commands needing root with sudo
[02:26] <Kyral> the password is your user password
[02:26] <th4_bandit> then how am i supposed to use apt-get?
[02:26] <FlimFlamMan> hello peoples. any idea where the /etc/init.d/privoxy script is? i installed privoxy but it didn't install the startup script
[02:26] <Misos> sudo apt-get
[02:26] <Misos> =P
[02:26] <hmrocha> requiem_, no, it's on
[02:27] <miguel> Misos, can you help me with a quick question?
[02:27] <miguel> plz?
[02:27] <Misos> I doubt it.
[02:27] <miguel> i am trying to install teTeX
[02:27] <requiem_> uhh, if it isn't muted I don't know what might be
[02:27] <stizoner> wait in line
[02:27] <stizoner> lol
[02:27] <dech> can anyone tell me where to get gtk+ package ?
[02:28] <miguel> and it requires me to reset my PATH
[02:28] <requiem_> in the first place, frozen-bubble didn't found a soundcard
[02:28] <requiem_> hmrocha, lspci | grep -i audio
[02:28] <hmrocha> 0000:00:07.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)
[02:28] <Misos> you typed sudo apt-get install tetex-bin
[02:28] <Misos> ?
[02:29] <jtan325> if i have both the eth0 and wlan0 devices plugged in, up and running
[02:29] <jtan325> how do i determine which one my computer's using?
[02:29] <miguel> no
[02:29] <miguel> i downloaded the tar files
[02:29] <miguel> and unpacked them
[02:29] <Misos> do what I said
[02:29] <requiem_> hmrocha, uhh :| you do have suport for that driver, in alsa, right ?
[02:29] <miguel> from the prompt?
[02:29] <Misos> in a shell, yes
[02:30] <miguel> ok
[02:30] <hmrocha> requiem_, i don't know
[02:30] <LinuxJones> miguel, why not jsut install tetex from the Ubuntu repos ?
[02:31] <bimberi> jtan325: type "route" in a terminal - look for the Iface next to the default Destination
[02:31] <miguel> what do i need to do after it is done?
[02:31] <Misos> run it
[02:31] <Misos> =P
[02:32] <tm17h> Hi all. I've done unbearably stupid (upgrade to breezy) and am trying to back up. By fiddling with preferences, I was able to get apt-get dist-upgrade to propose a huge number of downgrades (what I want). Going through with it (which requires typing "Yes, do as I say!" results in a slur of error messages ending in dpkg returned an error code (2). Can anyone help me sort out what's going on?
[02:32] <DVSoftware> configure: error: *** SPIDERMONKEY javascript engine not found !*** <=but i have it installed
[02:32] <requiem_> :|
[02:32] <SeannyFun> hey everyone I'm a linux newb and I've just installed Ubuntu for the first time. I've completed the installation but for some reason it dumps me into the $ prompt and goes not load Gnome
[02:32] <requiem_> hmrocha, that's odd
[02:32] <LinuxJones> tm17h, well you basically messed up your system
[02:32] <jtan325> bimberi, i have two "defaults"
[02:32] <hmrocha> requiem_, really odd
[02:32] <tm17h> LinuxJones: Yeah, I knew that :)
[02:33] <sebastien> hi
[02:33] <jtan325> one that has Iface eth0, and the other wlan0
[02:33] <sebastien> french ?
[02:33] <dech> could anyone tell me where to get gtk+ ?
[02:33] <LinuxJones> tm17h, honestly just re-install and save yourself some grief :D
[02:33] <bimberi> jtan325: hmm ok how about - System -> Administration -> Networking - Default gateway device
[02:33] <tm17h> LinuxJones: worst comes to worse, everything important is on a separate /home/ partition anyway.
[02:33] <tm17h> LinuxJones: It's strange that downgrading is so hard when upgrading is so easy.
[02:34] <LinuxJones> tm17h, excellent that should only take an hour , and there is no apt-get downgrade :P
[02:34] <jtan325> bimberi, thanks
[02:34] <jtan325> that worked
[02:34] <jtan325> is there a command-line way though?
[02:34] <jtan325> besides "route"
[02:34] <mveers> bye
[02:34] <jtan325> or is there a command line way to tell ubuntu to use one device over the other if both are available
[02:35] <bimberi> jtan325: not sure sorry - i did think that would work
[02:35] <tm17h> LinuxJones: Okay -- so I'll move anything out of /usr/local/ etc. back to /home/, then dig up my old hoary install disks and start from scratch -- there's not a better way, is there?
[02:35] <brettcar> Is it possible to safely upgrade to Breezy and/or Colony 3 without reinstalling?
[02:35] <th4_bandit> how do you update the apt-get?
[02:35] <HrdwrBoB> brettcar: allegedly :)
[02:35] <HrdwrBoB> brettcar: if you can fix things that may go wrong (likely)
[02:35] <HrdwrBoB> then go for it
[02:36] <HrdwrBoB> but it should (in general) work
[02:36] <LinuxJones> tm17h, jsut do a fresh install and tell the installer not to over right your home partition and tell the installer to use that partition for your home partition and you should be good to go.
[02:36] <tm17h> dech: gtk+ is pretty standard in any ubuntu distro. If you have gnome you have it. What are you trying to do/what's not working?
[02:36] <brettcar> HrdwrBoB: Are there known things that go wrong then? ;)
[02:36] <tm17h> LinuxJones: Okay. Thanks.
[02:36] <LinuxJones> tm17h, good luck
[02:36] <HrdwrBoB> brettcar: not that I know of, but odds are something will need tweaking/hacking
[02:36] <tm17h> LinuxJones: I'll hop on IRC and check the message *before* upgrading next time.
[02:37] <dech> tm17h im trying to install gaim, im also using kubuntu :)
[02:37] <brettcar> HrdwrBoB: Hm, anything catastrophic? I use this computer for work.
[02:37] <LinuxJones> tm17h, heh
[02:37] <dech> so kde
[02:37] <HrdwrBoB> brettcar: shouldn't be, but don't say you weren't warned :)
[02:37] <brettcar> Kay ;)
[02:37] <niran> what's the fix for X fonts in breezy again?
[02:37] <SeannyFun> can someone help me out with an install problem?
[02:37] <HrdwrBoB> it's considered 'working, but testing' currently
[02:37] <niran> X doesn't start and complains that it can't find the fonts
[02:37] <LinuxJones> tm17h, only 2 months till Breezy get's released !!
[02:37] <speel> yepp
[02:37] <hmrocha> niran, sudo apt-get install xfonts-base
[02:37] <speel> breezy looks the same tho
[02:38] <hmrocha> niran, i think it's that package
[02:38] <beep> hi
[02:38] <niran> hmrocha, thanks
[02:38] <dech> # Checking for GTK+ user interface toolkit ... failed
[02:38] <dech> # FAIL: Could not find 'GTK+ user interface toolkit'. Try using the native package manager for Ubuntu (The Hoary Hedgehog Release) (apt) to install a package with similar name to 'gtk+'
[02:38] <hmrocha> niran, apt-cache search fonts
[02:38] <Ice9> !dri
[02:38] <ubotu> I don't know, Ice9
[02:39] <hmrocha> niran, i confirmed, it's that package
[02:40] <hmrocha> niran, you should delete the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[02:40] <beep> I have a question for x-chat. If somaone knows this program, please send me personal window...
[02:40] <p0z3r> has anyone had a problem with laptops and unbuntu installs where the screen cycles like bad television reception?
[02:40] <hmrocha> niran, and sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:40] <hmrocha> beep, knows what program?
[02:41] <beep> the x-chat mirc
[02:41] <antiPosix> I am new to debian and ubuntu. I am a redhat(rpm) person in regards to xorg libs. I am trying to compile gtk+ and it cant find the standard xorg-libs which I know arnt installed. what is the snazzy dpkg or apt-get command to install the xorg devlopment libraries?
[02:41] <hmrocha> beep, x-chat mirc?
[02:41] <DVSoftware> configure: error: *** SPIDERMONKEY javascript engine not found !*** <=but i have it installed
[02:41] <beep> from ubuntu distribution
[02:41] <hmrocha> beep, x-chat is an irc client, mirc is another
[02:41] <hmrocha> beep, there is no "x-chat mirc"
[02:42] <beep> ok then, I meen x-chat
[02:42] <th4_bandit> does anyone know an apt-get equivelent to emerge world
[02:42] <gverig> hello.
[02:42] <antiPosix> beep I'm sure mirc would work fine with wine
[02:42] <HrdwrBoB> apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:42] <hmrocha> beep, almost everyone in the linux world uses x-chat
[02:42] <antiPosix> hmrocha: or gaim
[02:42] <niran> hmrocha, that didn't fix it
[02:42] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: No, that doesn't spend 24 hours compiling shit
[02:42] <bimberi> or irssi
[02:43] <bimberi> cafuego: lol
[02:43] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: sorry my bad
[02:43] <niran> hmrocha, when configuring xfonts-base, it complains that /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc isn't a directory
[02:43] <hmrocha> bimberi, irssi? i live in the XXI century, i don't have a ZX Spectrum anymore
[02:43] <HrdwrBoB> try cat /dev/urandom
[02:43] <HrdwrBoB> watch it for 24h
[02:43] <HrdwrBoB> then press ctrl-c
[02:43] <bimberi> hmrocha: :)
[02:43] <niran> hmrocha, it still installs, but /x doesn't start
[02:43] <antiPosix> any one line bandits want to give me the command to get the xorg dev libs?
[02:43] <hmrocha> niran, delete /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:43] <antiPosix> yum xorg-devel?
[02:44] <hmrocha> niran, run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[02:44] <hmrocha> antiPosix, i was told IRC support in gaim sucked
[02:44] <hmrocha> antiPosix, never used it though
[02:44] <antiPosix> flippin debian. I read the linuxfromscratch howto, I can make them manually(xorg-devels) but I want simplicity
[02:44] <gverig> Question: I have a thumbdrive in and it is mounted under /media/usbdisk (as it is supposed to). I have a mounter plug-in on a panel but it does not see the drive (weird). How can I unmount it? Unmount says that /media/usbdisk is not in fstab; sda1 - only root can unmount. I can 'su' and unmount but was curious as for what the "right way" is. Any hints?
[02:44] <beep> ok, I'll tell u the problem... I want to connect on DalNet server but it disconnects me because it says that I have a trojan/virus and it sends me to a site for Windows antivirus.. Why?
[02:44] <th4_bandit> why is apt-get so shitty?
[02:44] <hmrocha> bimberi, i really don't understand why people keep using text apps
[02:44] <MrPockets> hey, if any of you arent too busy, could you throw a screen shot of your desktop at me?
[02:44] <dech> anyone free to give me a hand with this ? -
[02:44] <dech> # Checking for GTK+ user interface toolkit ... failed
[02:44] <dech> # FAIL: Could not find 'GTK+ user interface toolkit'. Try using the native package manager for Ubuntu (The Hoary Hedgehog Release) (apt) to install a package with similar name to 'gtk+'
[02:45] <benkong2> can somebody help with an ftp problem? can't get directory listing error 557
[02:45] <calc> antiPosix: xorg has been split into modules now
[02:45] <antiPosix> dech: I am on your tails holmes
[02:45] <calc> antiPosix: i don't think there is a single package that will pull all development packages in
[02:45] <antiPosix> calc: it always has been
[02:45] <antiPosix> calc: core, devel, etc
[02:45] <snorks> does ubuntu come with sshd default?
[02:45] <bimberi> hmrocha: some people ssh into remote servers for irc
[02:45] <hmrocha> snorks, no
[02:45] <antiPosix> calc: even back in XFree86
[02:45] <niran> snorks, no
[02:45] <calc> antiPosix: er?
[02:45] <calc> antiPosix: it wasn't split like it is now, heh
[02:45] <marcin> hmrocha: there are even some weird linux users that use erc as irc client
[02:45] <steveO_Office> how do I change rpms to .deb
[02:46] <calc> antiPosix: or perhaps you just haven't been paying atention in the past few months? :)
[02:46] <hmrocha> marcin, that are really a very low percentage of them
[02:46] <antiPosix> calc: oh. But anyways. what is the debian command to download and install the devel package?
[02:46] <hmrocha> bimberi, "normal" users don't
[02:46] <antiPosix> calc: I've been paying heavy attention. I never use packages though
[02:46] <calc> antiPosix: that is what i am saying there isn't just one devel package
[02:46] <snorks> niran, the correct apt-get to get sshd is apt-get install ssh? i dont know which package to take
[02:46] <calc> antiPosix: there is probably around 30 or so
[02:46] <antiPosix> calc: I see, sorry than
[02:46] <bimberi> hmrocha: define "normal"
[02:46] <antiPosix> calc: So there are multiple devel pacs?
[02:46] <niran> snorks, opensshd-server
[02:46] <th4_bandit> why cant i apt-get eterm or gdesklets
[02:46] <niran> snorks, or something like that
[02:46] <tm17h> dech: Did you install gaim with apt-get?
[02:46] <calc> antiPosix: yea one for each library, etc
[02:46] <hmrocha> bimberi, people not connected to computer science
[02:47] <dech> tm17h nope with autopackage
[02:47] <hmrocha> bimberi, maybe you mom, your father, that kind of people
[02:47] <calc> eg x11proto-*-dev and various other lib*-dev packages
[02:47] <tm17h> dech: I'd just try apt-get install gaim
[02:47] <th4_bandit> why cant i apt-get eterm or gdesklets????
[02:48] <bimberi> hmrocha: but they're not in "the linux world" (going back to your original assertion)
[02:48] <dech> tm17h ok thanks :)
[02:48] <calc> antiPosix: xlibs-dev will pull some in but not all afaik
[02:48] <antiPosix> calc: all: so does ubuntu/deb not have any packages that can install the libs? http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/stable/x/installing.html#xorg has it all
[02:48] <hmrocha> bimberi, that's why linux is still behind windows, because people keep separating the two worlds
[02:48] <antiPosix> calc: all: I just dont want to compile 6.8.1 if I dont have to
[02:48] <dech> Reading package lists... Done
[02:48] <dech> Building dependency tree... Done
[02:48] <dech> E: Couldn't find package gaim
[02:48] <hmrocha> bimberi, "i use linux, i'm geek, you use windows, you're lame"
[02:48] <calc> antiPosix: install the devel packages for the libraries you are trying to compile against
[02:48] <hmrocha> bimberi, very typical expression
[02:49] <calc> antiPosix: its not that hard to figure out
[02:49] <tm17h> dech: That's odd.
[02:49] <bimberi> bimberi: not for me it isn't
[02:49] <dech> tm17h :D
[02:49] <dech> tm17h, its also not in kynaptic
[02:49] <antiPosix> calc: I dont know the name of the package manager. is it apt-get?
[02:49] <bimberi> hmrocha: not for me it isn't (gawd talking to myself again :) )
[02:49] <hmrocha> bimberi, i listen to a lot of people saying "if you use linux, you must use the shell, forget about graphical apps"
[02:50] <niran> hmrocha, still doesn't work
[02:50] <calc> antiPosix: yes
[02:50] <Ice9> what kind of distro is gnome?
[02:50] <calc> antiPosix: apt-get install (foo)
[02:50] <RabidDog> Where can I make a suggestion for a feature addition to added, a featrue where one is notified of new packages added tot he ubuntu repository, ie when games are packaged for the first time and palce in the ubuntu repository?
[02:50] <Ice9> I mean
[02:50] <bimberi> hmrocha: that has been true but i feel that ubuntu is a major leap in that regard
[02:50] <Ice9> what kind of distro is ubuntu?
[02:50] <hmrocha> niran, sudo apt-get x-window-system
[02:50] <hmrocha> niran, and sudo apt-get x-window-system-core
[02:50] <RabidDog> Where can I make a suggestion for a feature addition to added, a feature where one is notified of new packages added to the ubuntu repository, ie when games are packaged for the first time and palce in the ubuntu repository?
[02:51] <hmrocha> bimberi, yes, that's why i use ubuntu and my mom thinks ubuntu is easier that windows
[02:51] <Ice9> !ubuntu
[02:51] <ubotu> it has been said that ubuntu is an easy-to-use GNU/Linux desktop distro based on Debian. http://ubuntu.com http://ubuntuforums.org http://wiki.ubuntu.com. It means 'Humanity to others'. see !awards
[02:51] <hmrocha> bimberi, "...than windows"
[02:51] <calc> antiPosix: there are also package manager frontends that let you see all the packags, like aptitude/synaptic/dselect
[02:51] <bimberi> Ice9: fantastic
[02:51] <calc> antiPosix: and apt-cache search (foo) which does package database searchs for you
[02:51] <bimberi> hmrocha: fantastic
[02:52] <muffin_> can't execute jar file: Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: OT44/jar
[02:52] <FlimFlamMan> does the evolution connector for exchange work over https?
[02:52] <bimberi> Ice9: erm, not sure about your question. Ubuntu is based on debian - is that what you mean
[02:52] <hmrocha> bimberi, but i'm a computer science student so it doesn't matter if i use ubuntu or another distro
[02:52] <k421k1> any speeak spanish?????????????
[02:53] <bimberi> !es
[02:53] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[02:53] <xoxo_jas> how can i run the setup of ubuntu?
[02:53] <dech> i suppose i could always try a tar version of gaim right ? xhat just then had no problem seeing gtk
[02:53] <niran> hmrocha, all that's adding is some /gl and dri packages
[02:53] <k421k1> 0k thanks
[02:53] <dech> xchat*
[02:53] <xoxo_jas> i insert the cd i dont see setup file.
[02:53] <hmrocha> niran, do it please
[02:53] <bimberi> hmrocha: that's nice :)
[02:53] <skalpel> can someone tell me why i am getting this error when tryingt o load protftpd? skalpel@emachine:/var/log$ proftpd relad
[02:53] <skalpel> - Fatal: SystemLog: unable to redirect logging to '/var/log/secure': Permission denied on line 32 of '/etc/proftpd.conf'
[02:54] <EasterSunshine> xoxo_jas: are you having your comp boot from cd before hard disk?
[02:54] <nightcrawler> if i installed KDE for ubuntu ( i think its called kubuntu-desktop) or something like that
[02:54] <nightcrawler> how do i uninstall it
[02:54] <DVSoftware> skalpel, run it as root
[02:54] <nightcrawler> i dont like kde
[02:54] <EasterSunshine> xoxo_jas: and are you sure you don't have the live cd?
[02:54] <DVSoftware> sudo proftpd
[02:54] <hmrocha> niran, i'll stay here until you have breezy working, but i'll get something to eat
[02:54] <xoxo_jas> i dont know
[02:54] <muffin_> how do i install a tgz file?
[02:54] <xoxo_jas> i ordered from ubuntu site
[02:54] <umbuto> question, if i can hear system sounds but can't play music on xmms or hear anything from vlc, what am i missing?
[02:54] <JakGC> Hi all. Has anyone got postgres going on ubuntu 4.xxx? I got make etc working on old redhat 9, but readline, and perl etc are not set up on ubuntu for the make to work.
[02:54] <hmrocha> muffin_, tar xvzf foobar.fgz
[02:55] <hmrocha> muffin_, tar xvzf foobar.tgz
[02:55] <muffin_> hmrocha, thx
[02:55] <xoxo_jas> i have
[02:55] <xoxo_jas> lol
[02:55] <nightcrawler> umbuto what kind of music files?
[02:55] <tm17h> muffin_: Then read the README inside. And you need a - in front -- tar -zxvf
[02:55] <xoxo_jas> it has two cds
[02:55] <Concord_Dawn> !fonts
[02:55] <ubotu> well, fonts is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FontInstallHowto
[02:55] <xoxo_jas> in pack live and install CD
[02:55] <umbuto> well wav/mp123 and avi files
[02:55] <hmrocha> niran, i have to sleep so i hope you get that working soon :)
[02:55] <hmrocha> niran, i have to work tomorrow
[02:55] <nightcrawler> umbuto - you can play mp3's correct?
[02:55] <EasterSunshine> xoxo_jas: stick the live cd in, and restart comp
[02:55] <umbuto> nope
[02:55] <umbuto> i can not
[02:56] <bimberi> JakGC: postgresql can be installed using apt
[02:56] <xoxo_jas> EasterSunshine and it will work?
[02:56] <umbuto> i did download the libarys for it
[02:56] <umbuto> though
[02:56] <umbuto> avi files, i can see video but no sound
[02:56] <EasterSunshine> xoxo_jas: if it boots into your current operating system, enter the bios setup and set it to boot from cd instead of from hdd
[02:56] <umbuto> and i hear system sounds "those little drum beats fine"
[02:56] <umbuto> xmms try to play the mp3
[02:56] <umbuto> but hangs
[02:56] <umbuto> its not if something were taking up the sound process and its not able to output
[02:56] <umbuto> its if like*
[02:56] <nightcrawler> umbuto - did you install the multimedia codecs?
[02:57] <umbuto> yes i did
[02:57] <umbuto> i added the extra repos
[02:57] <umbuto> and downloaded the mpeg123 libs
[02:57] <EasterSunshine> tm17h: the - isn't required in front of xvzf, jsut to let you know. it is assumed
[02:57] <geneo93> maybe you dont have codecs
[02:57] <Karhuton> umbuto, Esd might be hogging the device
[02:57] <tm17h> EasterSunshine: How about that :)
[02:57] <umbuto> how do i unhog it?
[02:57] <miguel> can some1 tell me how to reset $PATH to its original form?
[02:57] <niran> hmrocha, thanks for all the help
[02:58] <antiPosix> calc: thank you
[02:58] <cyphase> is ubuntu supposed to support HFS?
[02:58] <Karhuton> umbuto, are you using a gstreamer based multimedia player?
[02:58] <umbuto> im not sure
[02:58] <umbuto> is vlc considered one?
[02:58] <Karhuton> Are you using totem-gstreamer or totem-xine?
[02:58] <xoxo_jas> EasterSunshine thanks bra.
[02:58] <umbuto> i downloaded all the nessessary gsteramer liberarys
[02:58] <umbuto> nope
[02:58] <hmrocha> niran, is it working now?
[02:59] <Karhuton> umbuto, type: dpkg --list | grep totem. Which one do you have installed?
[02:59] <cyphase> is ubuntu supposed to support HFS?
[02:59] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[02:59] <umbuto> rc totem-gstreame 1.0.1-0ubuntu1 A simple media player for the Gnome desktop
[02:59] <dech> ok
[02:59] <dech> so
[02:59] <niran> hmrocha, nope
[02:59] <hmrocha> niran, what error?
[03:00] <dech> after getting the gaim tar it says GLIB is what i need, from gtk.org >_<
[03:00] <Karhuton> umbuto, I don't know which are the correct English translations, but from gnome panel: System -> Preferences -> Multimedia System Selector
[03:00] <hmrocha> niran, did you do a dist-upgrade?
[03:00] <niran> hmrocha, it can't find the fonts
[03:00] <Karhuton> Check that gstreamer uses Esd for audio input
[03:00] <niran> hmrocha, yeah
[03:00] <Karhuton> I mean output
[03:00] <Karhuton> Ofcourse
[03:00] <niran> hmrocha, the problem is that the fonts moved to /etc/X11/fonts
[03:00] <hmrocha> niran, and you installed the two packages i told you to install?
[03:00] <reiki> ok... found another app I need... an sftp app?
[03:01] <niran> hmrocha, but X is looking in /usr/lib/X11/fonts
[03:01] <niran> hmrocha, yeah
[03:01] <umbuto> Karhuton Check that gstreamer uses Esd for audio input
[03:01] <umbuto> how do i check?
[03:01] <amonkey> none of my sound except for the ubuntu boot sound will work until i kill esd. this did not happen with my old sound card. what's up with that?
[03:01] <Karhuton> 04:00 Karhuton > umbuto, I don't know which are the correct English translations, but from gnome panel: System -> Preferences -> Multimedia System Selector
[03:02] <hmrocha> niran, i think i just installed the two xwindow-system* packages, the xfonts-base and erased the /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:02] <Ice9> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) how do I fix that
[03:02] <umbuto> yea esd is on
[03:02] <hmrocha> niran, next, i did a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:02] <skalpel> can someone tell me how to find out the name of a service listening on a port?
[03:02] <hmrocha> niran, and everything worked fine
[03:02] <Karhuton> umbuto, And you're trying to use totem to play music?
[03:02] <hmrocha> niran, try to "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg"
[03:02] <codecaine> netstat -p
[03:02] <umbuto> no im trying to get xmms to play my mp3s
[03:02] <Karhuton> What about rhythmbox?
[03:02] <hmrocha> niran, then erase the xorg.conf and try the reconfigure
[03:02] <umbuto> i installed the libarys for it
[03:03] <hmrocha> umbuto, forget about xmms
[03:03] <umbuto> and im trying to vlc to play my avi files with sound
[03:03] <Karhuton> umbuto, XMMS propably tries OSS or ALSA and not Esd by default
[03:03] <umbuto> doh
[03:03] <Karhuton> umbuto, Esd is used with totem and rhythmbox
[03:03] <puol> anybody know how to set the xpde on ubuntu
[03:03] <umbuto> i see..
[03:03] <Karhuton> umbuto, it hogs the sound device and other apps can't access it
[03:03] <Ice9> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) how do I fix that
[03:03] <Karhuton> You can make Xmms use Esd, I think
[03:04] <umbuto> let me check the prefs
[03:04] <umbuto> brb
[03:04] <Karhuton> umbuto, Yeah. On the first page of properties is Esd
[03:04] <Karhuton> Atleast on my system it's "OSS" by default
[03:04] <steveO_Office> Ok anyone no were I get NetworkManager from... This like isnt working http://people.ubuntu.com/~thom/network-manager/ ./
[03:05] <reiki> what's the name of a secure shell client app for Ubuntu? I had one on WinXP that did both sftp and shell
[03:05] <HrdwrBoB> putty
[03:05] <HrdwrBoB> ?
[03:05] <DVSoftware> can anyone help me
[03:05] <umbuto> ok i see it
[03:05] <HrdwrBoB> reiki: er... ssh
[03:05] <umbuto> lemme see if it works
[03:05] <ompaul> reiki, ssh - gives you shell and sftp is sftp
[03:05] <umbuto> oh my goodness Karhuton you are genius
[03:05] <reiki> HrdwrBoB: is that graphical in Gnome? or command line?
[03:05] <umbuto> thank YOU!
[03:05] <umbuto> it works
[03:05] <Karhuton> umbuto, and then you need to install: vlc-plugin-esd
[03:06] <umbuto> ITS ALIVE!
[03:06] <HrdwrBoB> reiki: command line
[03:06] <umbuto> karhuton i would hug you if i could
[03:06] <Karhuton> And from VLC's preferences choose to use Esd instead of Alsa/Oss
[03:06] <DVSoftware> i can't compile avidemux
[03:06] <reiki> HrdwrBoB: ok thanks
[03:06] <umbuto> :-)
[03:06] <Karhuton> Unless you have breasts, I wouldn't let you
[03:06] <Karhuton> ;)
[03:06] <steveO_Office> LOL
[03:06] <umbuto> lol
[03:06] <HrdwrBoB> Karhuton: having breasts doesn't mean that someone is not a man ;)
[03:06] <HrdwrBoB> .. just btw
[03:07] <steveO_Office> O here it go's!!!!
[03:07] <DVSoftware> it's complaining about missing spidermonkey
[03:07] <DVSoftware> but i have spidermonkey installed
[03:07] <pitt> hello there
[03:07] <Karhuton> HrdwrBoB, I close my eyes and don't think about it.
[03:07] <steveO_Office> Ok anyone no were I get NetworkManager from... This like isnt working http://people.ubuntu.com/~thom/network-manager/ ./
[03:07] <raggedgentleman> would anyone know why my firefox would stop working after apt-get update?
[03:07] <ompaul> raggedgentleman, because it needs to be restarted?
[03:07] <niran> hmrocha, still doesnt work
[03:07] <niran> steveO_Office, that's an old, broken package
[03:08] <raggedgentleman> ompaul, the computer?
[03:08] <dech> :'( to install gaim i have to install glib which means i have to install pkg-config which is havin insanity errors :O
[03:08] <ompaul> raggedgentleman, no firefix
[03:08] <steveO_Office> lol ok we have a newer one?
[03:08] <ompaul> raggedgentleman, no firefox even
[03:08] <Joose^> what modem internal doesn't have problem with ubuntu?
[03:08] <Dreamer3> is there a want to get window-# keys to work in XFCE to switch screens?
[03:08] <ompaul> raggedgentleman, restarting a computer is only for a new kernel
[03:08] <Dreamer3> i'm totally missing this from gnome
[03:08] <jeremi> I am triing to get my clock to stop displaying military time can any one help
[03:08] <Ice9> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) how do I fix that
[03:08] <raggedgentleman> ompaul, well i restarted x
[03:09] <steveO_Office> Googles IS NOT MY FRIEND TO NIGHT lol
[03:09] <adam_> hi all, hows it going?
[03:09] <raggedgentleman> ompaul, there are no instances of fire fox running on this computer as far as i know
[03:09] <Karhuton> steveO_Office, the days, you count Google as your friend, are sad
[03:09] <Madpilot> jeremi: you mean 24hr time? right click, select Preferences (assuming you're in Gnome...)
[03:09] <adam_> i need some help getting lightweight desktop for Hoary
[03:10] <jeremi> tried that
[03:10] <steveO_Office> lol
[03:10] <ompaul> raggedgentleman, 'ps auwx | grep fox' will tell you if there are
[03:10] <dech> sudo apt-get install gaim
[03:10] <dech> Reading package lists... Done
[03:10] <dech> Building dependency tree... Done
[03:10] <dech> E: Couldn't find package gaim
[03:10] <dech> :'(
[03:10] <kicolobo> Hi, how can I configure ubuntu to turn off my computer?
[03:10] <steveO_Office> im on 14 hrs in the office tonight....
[03:10] <adam_> i'm running an old PC with 500 mhz AMD k-6 and gnome is really slow
[03:10] <ompaul> raggedgentleman, and the line that says grep fox is nothing to do with firefox (just in case you didn't knowhtat)
[03:10] <puol> set up icewm
[03:10] <adam_> uses a lot of resources although i do have 512 ram
[03:10] <Madpilot> jeremi: in Preferences, put it to 12hr time - that works for me, altough I use 24hr time myself
[03:11] <adam_> puol, thanks
[03:11] <puol> :)
[03:11] <raggedgentleman> ompaul, and if kill doesn't seem to want to kill it?
[03:11] <adam_> i tried icewm, but it would not cmpile from source
[03:11] <ompaul> raggedgentleman, killall
[03:11] <adam_> is there a specific package that works best with hoary?
[03:11] <kicolobo> how can I make the power management of my computer work on ubuntu?
[03:11] <ompaul> raggedgentleman, that is killall firefox
[03:11] <geppy> ompaul: wouldn't that be `killall firefox-bin`?
[03:11] <ompaul> raggedgentleman, kill -9 process_id_
[03:12] <geppy> Are there any GNU/Linux alternatives to Alcohol 120%? I need to back up my CDs.
[03:12] <xoxo_jas> how do i set pc
[03:12] <xoxo_jas> to boot from a cd?
[03:12] <ompaul> geppy, it would :)
[03:12] <puol> use bios
[03:12] <geppy> ompaul: :)
[03:12] <xoxo_jas> how do i go there?
[03:12] <jeremi> ok I feel dumb it works in Gnome but not kde
[03:12] <kicolobo> restart your computer with the DELETE key pressed xoxo_jas
[03:12] <ompaul> geppy, I don't know that package - check mondo
[03:12] <Madpilot> xoxo_jas: in your BIOS setting - either F2 or DEL on restart
[03:12] <geppy> xoxo_jas: Reboot, hit F2, or F1, or Del, or something, it will tell you what to do.
[03:12] <puol> :)
[03:12] <adam_> does anyone know which ICEWM version is best with hoary 5.04
[03:13] <Ice9> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) how do I fix that
[03:13] <xoxo_jas> ok
[03:13] <puol> icewm4
[03:13] <xoxo_jas> kthx
[03:13] <raggedgentleman> ompaul, killall firefox returns no such processes
[03:13] <ompaul> raggedgentleman, geppy ompaul: wouldn't that be `killall firefox-bin`
[03:13] <adam_> icewm4, cool, any thing else i need to know?
[03:13] <DVSoftware> please
[03:13] <DVSoftware> anyone
[03:13] <jeremi> 12hr clk in gnome but in kde its still 24
[03:13] <kicolobo> adam, you can try xfce too.
[03:13] <Madpilot> jeremi: might want to ask on #kubuntu?
[03:13] <DVSoftware> spidermonkey?
[03:14] <ompaul> it is two fifteen am time to ZZ I think
[03:14] <jeremi> ok
[03:14] <FlimFlamMan> so exchange connector for evolution is trashed
[03:14] <adam_> kicolobo, i'm about ready to erase all and try xfce - it comes pakaged with FC3
[03:14] <kicolobo> well, does anyone here knows how to help me?
[03:14] <geppy> ompaul: Alcohol 120% is a CD backup program that has workarounds for things like SecuRom, etc. Anything like that for Linux? dd, of course, doesn't work for this
[03:14] <DVSoftware> checking jsapi.h usability... no
[03:14] <DVSoftware> checking jsapi.h presence... no
[03:14] <DVSoftware> checking for jsapi.h... no
[03:14] <DVSoftware> configure: error: *** SPIDERMONKEY javascript engine not found !***
[03:14] <adam_> xfce for hoary has a lot o dependencis that that i dont have on system
[03:14] <DVSoftware> what should i do
[03:14] <DVSoftware> i have spidermonkey installed
[03:15] <EasterSunshine> isn't alcohol 120% available for linux?
[03:15] <nariman> how can i see if my video dirvers are installed properly?
[03:15] <Ice9> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) how do I fix that
[03:15] <geppy> EasterSunshine: Is it? On the Alcohol 120% website, I only saw Win32 info.
[03:15] <EasterSunshine> dvsoftware: please do not paste in the channel, do it in the pastebin instead. see the /topic for pastebin link
[03:15] <skalpel> why does my computer keep beeping?
[03:15] <puol> crash
[03:15] <geppy> skalpel: Perhaps you have Gaim or something set to use the "system bell"?
[03:15] <DVSoftware> EasterSunshine, sorry about that
[03:16] <DVSoftware> but i'm really confused
[03:16] <EasterSunshine> geppy: i thought i saw install instructions for alcohol 120% on ubuntuguide...but w/e ubuntuguide sucks
[03:16] <nariman> how can i see if my video dirvers are installed properly?
[03:16] <skalpel> geppy: well that is what i thought too, at first, but i cannot find any programs making events
[03:16] <puol> use xawtv
[03:16] <EasterSunshine> greppy: i'm probably wrong
[03:16] <raggedgentleman> skalpel, i had a similar problem
[03:16] <skalpel> raggedgentleman: what did you do abput it?
[03:16] <geppy> EasterSunshine: Well, I don't see anything on ubuntu guide about alcohol, but that doesn't mean that you're wrong. :-)
[03:17] <raggedgentleman> skalpel, i thought my computer was over heating or something, is it like an alarm sound??
[03:17] <EasterSunshine> greppy: maybe there is a way to turn a mounted filesystem into an iso? anyone know anything about that?
[03:17] <james> can you run microsoft office using Ubuntu?
[03:17] <raggedgentleman> skalpel, unplugged the speaker =o)
[03:17] <miguel> hey, can some1 tell me how do i get gcc to be on my $PATH, plz?
[03:17] <geppy> EasterSunshine: dd if=/dev/x of=/asdf.iso
[03:17] <skalpel> raggedgentleman: no, that would be pretty cool though
[03:17] <raggedgentleman> skalpel, not reccomended...
[03:17] <puol> u cant using crossover james
[03:17] <geppy> james: I would try using CrossOver Office if I _had_ to run Office, but OpenOffice.org is nice..
[03:17] <skalpel> no, i am not going to do that. you violant chap.
[03:17] <dech> james you dont need to, you can get openoffice.org
[03:17] <nariman> can someone help me install Via chipset drivers and graphix drivers??
[03:17] <geppy> puol: You mean "can", right?
[03:17] <EasterSunshine> james: you can try wine, it may not work perfectly, or you can try crossover office, but it costs money
[03:17] <adam_> # 1.2.23 released (2005-08-14)
[03:17] <adam_> # 1.2.22 released (2005-07-17)
[03:17] <adam_> # 1.2.21 released (2005-05-31)
[03:17] <adam_> # 1.2.20 released (2005-01-09)
[03:18] <geppy> adam: please don't do that
[03:18] <james> but Ununtu has the same kind of programs right?
[03:18] <puol> yes
[03:18] <adam_> those wer from ICEWM site- sorry geppy
[03:18] <adam_> what happened?
[03:18] <Madpilot> james: why? OpenOffice is included in ubuntu
[03:18] <Ice9> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) how do I fix that
[03:18] <EasterSunshine> any of you tried koffice? how does it different from openofficeorg?
[03:18] <james> yeah but it doesn't have a program like Access where you can create databases
[03:18] <geppy> I don't see anything about alcohol 120% for Linux. :/
[03:19] <adam_> oh- they must have been hotlinks. i just wanted the text..
[03:19] <adam_> i see now, thanks
[03:19] <EasterSunshine> geppy: do you know about wine?
[03:19] <james> what is crossover?
[03:19] <geppy> EasterSunshine: haha, of course
[03:19] <EasterSunshine> greppy: i don't konw how promising it is to run alcohol 120% on wine though...
[03:19] <nariman> what core is ubuntu build on??????
[03:19] <geppy> EasterSunshine: Enough to know that I'd rather run a native application. ;)
[03:19] <geppy> nariman: By "core" do you mean "kernel"?
[03:19] <adam_> puol, ICEWM4?
[03:19] <HrdwrBoB> EasterSunshine: .. no that would be silly
[03:19] <adam_> doesn't exist
[03:19] <dimethyl> hello
[03:19] <nariman> can u use drivers that are built for other kernels?
[03:20] <james> how about dos games?
[03:20] <geppy> I'm running Ubuntu Hoary, and it comes with Linux kernel 2.6.10-5-386
[03:20] <Quest-Master> nariman: no
[03:20] <geppy> nariman: er, no
[03:20] <nariman> :(
[03:20] <adam_> 1.2.?
[03:20] <dimethyl> does anyone know of a program for linux that converts divx3 to svcds?
[03:20] <Agrajag> james: use dosbox
[03:20] <Razor-X> is there any command to undo an `rm'?
[03:20] <Razor-X> ;)
[03:20] <nariman> geppy: if there is a "source" alternative for driver, shall i chose them instad then?
[03:20] <james> what is dosbox?
[03:20] <geppy> Razor-X: haha
[03:20] <adam_> rzor x, usually no
[03:20] <Razor-X> quickly, i'm losing the file as I speak!
[03:20] <Razor-X> -_-
[03:20] <geppy> nariman: huh?
[03:20] <nightcrawler> i got a question thast un-ubuntu related
[03:20] <thezombiehunter> how do i get my sound to work, i have disabled the onboard sound and my sound card is sound blaster live 24bit im running kubuntu
[03:20] <nightcrawler> can i ask it?
[03:20] <adam_> rm is quite permanant
[03:20] <geppy> Razor-X: CTRL-C
[03:20] <dimethyl> hit control c razor
[03:21] <Agrajag> james: it emulates an 486 running dos
[03:21] <Razor-X> geppy: I didn't rm /
[03:21] <Madpilot> !info dosbox
[03:21] <dimethyl> than go to sourceforge and look fora program of such
[03:21] <ubotu> dosbox: (A x86 emulator with Tandy/Herc/CGA/EGA/VGA graphics, sound and DOS), section universe/otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.63-2 (hoary), Packaged size: 368 kB, Installed size: 1000 kB
[03:21] <Agrajag> freedos I think
[03:21] <Razor-X> it was a 200 MB file
[03:21] <james> where would I get it from?
[03:21] <HrdwrBoB> thezombiehunter: start alsamixer in a terminal, go to main and PCM, and unmute them (press m)
[03:21] <nariman> geppy: im looking for video drivers for my card, and i've found different drivers att viaarena.com
[03:21] <Agrajag> james: the bot just said it's in universe
[03:21] <geppy> dimethyl: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=3&url=http%3A//dvdripping-guid.berlios.de/Divx-to-VCD_en.html&ei=4TMFQ9DgAqbO4QGa_vWODg
[03:21] <Madpilot> james: from the ubuntu repositories
[03:21] <nariman> but there are no drivers for ubuntu
[03:21] <Razor-X> time to retorrent it
[03:21] <dimethyl> thanks geppy
[03:21] <Razor-X> last time I forget to read my M-p .....
[03:21] <nariman> what shall i do?
[03:21] <thezombiehunter> HrdwrBpB: is Alsamixer installed
[03:21] <dimethyl> ya thanks a lot buddy!
[03:22] <james> oh ok thank you
[03:22] <geppy> dimethyl: No problem, and no assurances that that'll work ;)
[03:22] <nariman> can't i just compile the source and use the drivers???
[03:22] <Ice9> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) how do I fix that
[03:22] <geppy> nariman: sure, do that
[03:22] <nariman> and it will work?
[03:22] <geppy> nariman: That would be the desired effect.
[03:23] <nariman> haha, another question:) how do i compile :/ newbie
[03:23] <raggedgentleman> so firefox is dead after i did apt-get upgrade
[03:23] <thezombiehunter> how do i start/get alsamixer
[03:23] <geppy> thezombiehunter: sudo apt-get install alsamixer
[03:23] <thezombiehunter> *slaps head* thks
[03:23] <geppy> thezombiehunter: then `alsamixer`
[03:23] <geppy> thezombiehunter: No problem.
[03:23] <Dreamer3_> anyone use XFCE?
[03:23] <Dreamer3_> anyone use XFCE?
[03:24] <muffin_> i get following wine error message:regedit: Can't export. Registry key 'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall' does not exist!
[03:24] <thezombiehunter> thezombiehunter@thezombiehunter:~$ sudo apt-get install alsamixer
[03:24] <thezombiehunter> Password:
[03:24] <thezombiehunter> Reading package lists... Done
[03:24] <thezombiehunter> Building dependency tree... Done
[03:24] <thezombiehunter> E: Couldn't find package alsamixer
[03:24] <thezombiehunter> thezombiehunter@thezombiehunter:~$
[03:24] <EasterSunshine> hey ppl recommend against running raid without the mirror/backup drive, isn't that the same risk as running thru ide?
[03:24] <raggedgentleman> raggedgentleman@wastedspace:~ $ /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox//firefox-bin
[03:24] <raggedgentleman> /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox//firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libmozjs.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:24] <raggedgentleman> raggedgentleman@wastedspace:~ $
[03:24] <geppy> thezombiehunter: please don't post so much, it's obnoxious
[03:24] <geppy> *sigh*
[03:24] <puol> ............
[03:24] <Ice9> lol
[03:24] <EasterSunshine> !pastebin
[03:24] <ubotu> from memory, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[03:24] <thezombiehunter> geppy: sorry, so what do i do
[03:24] <umboto> hey what program would you guys recommend for ripping my audio cds with lame?
[03:24] <geppy> umboto: Sound-Juicer
[03:25] <nariman> what does "bash" command do?
[03:25] <EasterSunshine> umboto: lame
[03:25] <geppy> umboto: Install 'gstreamer0.8-plugins' first
[03:25] <DVSoftware> Razor-X, which filesystem
[03:25] <EasterSunshine> nariman: it opens a bash shell
[03:25] <umboto> okay
[03:25] <geppy> nariman: bash is the shell, that just opens the shell
[03:25] <muffin_> i get following wine error message:regedit: Can't export. Registry key 'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall' does not exist!
[03:25] <nariman> whats a shell?
[03:25] <geppy> thezombiehunter: I guess you should already have it
[03:25] <thezombiehunter> alright
[03:25] <geppy> nariman: A terminal, console, whatever
[03:25] <aru> umboto: Applications > Sound and Video > Sound Juicer
[03:25] <Varanger> hi... I've got a CHM file... how can I open under Ubuntu?
[03:25] <nariman> mhm
[03:25] <thezombiehunter> and i do have it
[03:25] <thezombiehunter> so what do i do now?
[03:25] <EasterSunshine> nariman: its that black screen that interprets what you type in and does stuff
[03:25] <puol> use xchm
[03:26] <Varanger> puol: Thanks!
[03:26] <thezombiehunter> geppy: what do i do to enable sound when in the mixer
[03:26] <geppy> thezombiehunter: move them up ;)
[03:26] <EasterSunshine> nariman: its what you type ls and cd ~ and sh and bash and stuff into
[03:26] <Ice9> can somebody walk me through getting 3d acceleration working on my ati radeon 9250?
[03:26] <umboto> aru, how i set it up with lame?
[03:26] <thezombiehunter> Geppy: how?
[03:26] <dech> thezombiehunter or press m to unmute/mute
[03:26] <dech> use up and down arros
[03:26] <umboto> it only gives me wav and vorbis
[03:26] <dech> arrows*
[03:26] <umboto> and flac
[03:27] <thezombiehunter> do i want the master off?
[03:27] <thezombiehunter> couse its up all the way
[03:27] <thezombiehunter> and master was on
[03:27] <Dime> how do i check my dns?
[03:27] <umboto> do i rip them as wav then use lame to encode them?
[03:27] <umboto> ??
[03:27] <geppy> thezombiehunter: put everything up, see what works
[03:27] <EasterSunshine> dime: what do you mean by check dns?
[03:27] <reiki> is there a gnome ftp app? something graphical rather than CLine?
[03:27] <thezombiehunter> geppy: 3 of em wont go up at all
[03:27] <umboto> reiki, gftp
[03:27] <geppy> thezombiehunter: That's rather unfortunate.
[03:27] <Dime> my isps dns
[03:27] <reiki> okies
[03:27] <reiki> thanks
[03:28] <umboto> np
[03:28] <geppy> As entertaining as trying to find an answer in here is... I'm off to play Doom3.
[03:28] <thezombiehunter> geppy: so im guessing i have to do somthing else lol
[03:28] <EasterSunshine> dime: type in `host <hostname>` and if an ip comes up, its working
[03:28] <geppy> thezombiehunter: just play with it
[03:28] <Madpilot> reiki: gFTP, but it's pretty lousy...
[03:28] <reiki> grrrrr... wanted a graphic ssh/sftp prog
[03:29] <umboto> i perfer using ftp command in console itself
[03:29] <reiki> sftp more important than ssh at this point
[03:29] <EasterSunshine> can gnome run konqeuror? i heard something about gnome being able to handle kde apps
[03:29] <reiki> umboto: I looking for EASY to use for non-techies.
[03:29] <puol> of course easter
[03:29] <skalpel> is there anyway yo rip mp3's in ubuntu?
[03:29] <misfit_toy> EasterSunshine, you can run kde apps under gnome but you need all the KDE lib's installed
[03:29] <umboto> skalpel, they said use sound juicer
[03:30] <umboto> im assuming use sound juicer to wav then wav to mp3 with lame
[03:30] <misfit_toy> skalpel, soundjuicer
[03:30] <umboto> im gonna try it out
[03:30] <skalpel> umboto: it does not come with an mp3 encoder and i cannot find the gstreamer-lame package anywhere in the repositories
[03:30] <peaker> I manually installed alsa because the package didn't have the azx driver in it (via make make install)
[03:30] <misfit_toy> skalpel, update your repos
[03:30] <Madpilot> I think you can refit SoundJuicer to rip mp3 rather than ogg - check the forums or wiki
[03:30] <peaker> Now I can't use MAKEDEV to make the devices
[03:30] <peaker> I think it has something to do with hotplug, any idea?
[03:30] <misfit_toy> soundjuicer will rip to whatever you have codecs for
[03:31] <thezombiehunter> after i change the alsamixer do i have to re logon?
[03:31] <nightcrawler> how do i uninstall kubuntu-desktop?
[03:31] <skalpel> misfit_toy: okay
[03:31] <misfit_toy> thezombiehunter, no
[03:31] <thezombiehunter> then it did not work lol
[03:31] <Madpilot> misfit_toy: ah, OK. never bothered with ripping mp3, I'm just ripping to .ogg. thanks for the info though
[03:31] <misfit_toy> nightcrawler, sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop
[03:31] <Tzi> Hi =)
[03:32] <puol> hi
[03:32] <darkheart> Anyone have trouble with firefox only loading half of a flash page? When I go to www.speedtv.com half the page is greyed out..
[03:32] <misfit_toy> high
[03:32] <Tzi> Does anyone know where I can get xev in Breezy? (I know, we shouldn't be using it yet, but I was having memory problems in Hoary..)
[03:32] <skalpel> misfit_toy: thank you, that worked.
[03:32] <misfit_toy> skalpel, cool
[03:32] <hubsi> re genossen :D
[03:32] <Tzi> darkheart: You haven't applied that download-in-parallel thing have you?
[03:32] <thezombiehunter> i get this message when i start the desktop
[03:32] <darkheart> Tzi Don't think so, I'm not sure what that is =)
[03:33] <muffin_> how do i install DCOM98.EXE with wine???
[03:33] <thezombiehunter> SOUND server informational message:
[03:33] <thezombiehunter> error while initializing the sound driver:
[03:33] <thezombiehunter> device: defult cant be opend for playback (no such file or directory)
[03:33] <thezombiehunter> the sound server will continue using the null output device..
[03:33] <skalpel> can someone tell me what to do about this error?
[03:33] <thezombiehunter> (sorry for long message)
[03:33] <Madpilot> !paste
[03:33] <ubotu> somebody said paste was please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[03:33] <raggedgentleman> i'm having a problem updating with apt-get
[03:33] <skalpel> Depends: libc6 (>=2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[03:34] <thezombiehunter> but really. cam you tell me what to do?
[03:34] <raggedgentleman> im using warty and it can't download from the backports group
[03:34] <Tzi> thezombiehunter: Do you have a /dev/dsp?
[03:34] <raggedgentleman> and i get a 403 forbidden
[03:34] <thezombiehunter> ill look
[03:35] <Ice9> can somebody walk me through getting 3d acceleration working on my ati radeon 9250?
[03:35] <skalpel> can someoen tell me what to do about this error? The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[03:35] <skalpel> gstreamer0.8-lame: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[03:35] <skalpel> E: Broken packages
[03:35] <raggedgentleman> and i cant use firefox to look for help online
[03:35] <thezombiehunter> tzi: its the dsp a folder?
[03:35] <raggedgentleman> im about to reinstall...
[03:35] <Tzi> raggedgentleman: Are you using a mirror?
[03:35] <speel> any programers in here?
[03:35] <peaker> Tzi: I don't have one and I'm struggling with MAKEDEV which wouldn't create it :( I found something in google about udev making MAKEDEV not work because there are no "hotplug events", but I remember it used to be so much simpler in the past..
[03:35] <Tzi> raggedgentleman: For backports..
[03:35] <raggedgentleman> Tzi, i dont know...
[03:36] <Tzi> peaker: You don't have a /dev/dsp, you mean?
[03:36] <Madpilot> raggedgentleman: the backport url changed a while ago
[03:36] <Madpilot> !backport
[03:36] <ubotu> hmm... backport is see !backports
[03:36] <Tzi> Yep
[03:36] <Madpilot> !backports
[03:36] <ubotu> backports are applications with newer versions on a stable distributions. Ubuntu backports can be found in the hoary-backports section
[03:36] <peaker> Tzi: Right, not the alsa one either.. :-(
[03:36] <thezombiehunter> tzi: i dont see anything
[03:36] <peaker> tzi: What's supposed to mknod these in ubuntu?
[03:36] <thezombiehunter> tzi: i do have dev thou
[03:36] <Mot> can someone help me install ubuntu
[03:36] <raggedgentleman> could you tell me what is the new one?
[03:37] <Madpilot> raggedgentleman: ubotu's message used to say - search the wiki for it
[03:37] <thezombiehunter> Mot: kinda busy, but what do you need?
[03:37] <Tzi> thezombiehunter: Try sudo mknod /dev/dsp c 14 3
[03:37] <Mot> i was wondering
[03:37] <Mot> once you burn the cd
[03:37] <peaker> Tzi: Why mknod directly works but MAKEDEV which does exactly that has no effect?
[03:37] <Tzi> thezombiehunter: Don't know why it's not there.. But that may fix things.. I'm not quite sure how esd grabs the soundcard...
[03:37] <Mot> you just leave it in ur drive
[03:37] <Mot> ?
[03:37] <Mot> and then on the reboot
[03:37] <raggedgentleman> Madpilot, well durring the upgrade it killed my firefox
[03:37] <Madpilot> raggedgentleman: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[03:37] <Mot> itll install ?
[03:37] <Tzi> peaker: Not sure... makedev is a script, which I assume uses mknod..
[03:37] <raggedgentleman> Madpilot, thank you sir
[03:38] <HrdwrBoB> Tzi: correct
[03:38] <thezombiehunter> Tzi: nvm i guess i missed it it says the file exists
[03:38] <peaker> Tzi: Exactly, I even strace -f'd it, and it calls mknod, but nothing is created(!) I am still puzzled
[03:38] <Madpilot> raggedgentleman: no problem; as to Firefox, I think there was a problem with it & backports... I don't use FF myself though
[03:38] <peaker> Tzi: If I call mknod myself, it works.. if I run MAKEDEV as non-admin, it complains about privelege to mknod, as if someone's rm'ing MAKEDEV's nodes immediately after it creates them
[03:38] <muffin_> how do i install DCOM98.EXE with wine???
[03:38] <thezombiehunter> Tzi: i got the soundcard to work in suse 9.3 pro using ALSACONFIG
[03:39] <raggedgentleman> Madpilot, what are you using?
[03:39] <Tzi> thezombiehunter: Okay.. Do you know if the soundcard is working at all at the moment?
[03:39] <HrdwrBoB> muffin_: why
[03:39] <Madpilot> raggedgentleman: Opera 8.02 - www.opera.com/download
[03:39] <thezombiehunter> Tzi: it works fine on windows, im on duel boot right now
[03:39] <Tzi> thezombiehunter: Oh, I mean in Linux..
[03:39] <muffin_> HrdwrBoB, windows seems to need it in the base system
[03:39] <raggedgentleman> Madpilot, ah but cant get there with out the browser =o)
[03:40] <HrdwrBoB> muffin_: .. for what reason
[03:40] <HrdwrBoB> muffin_: what are you trying to achieve
[03:40] <Ice9> !ati
[03:40] <ubotu> ati is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[03:40] <thezombiehunter> Tzi: no nothing in linux period
[03:40] <muffin_> wine tool lists the file in the base setup
[03:40] <Tzi> thezombiehunter: Can you for example do a cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp ? (turn down your speakers first)
[03:40] <Madpilot> raggedgentleman: heh. sorry... I can't remember what the fix for FF was
[03:40] <thezombiehunter> Tzi: a what//
[03:40] <muffin_> HrdwrBoB, explorer needs that file to be installed
[03:40] <biscuit_> ubotu
[03:41] <Tzi> thezombiehunter: Type it in a terminal.. It'll chuck random data onto your soundcard, just to see if it's working..
[03:41] <HrdwrBoB> muffin_: why are you running explorer in wine
[03:41] <regeya> rofflecopters
[03:41] <thezombiehunter> Tzi: type this? cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp nothing happens
[03:41] <muffin_> HrdwrBoB, its in the base setup of wine tool
[03:41] <HrdwrBoB> muffin_: you need to tell me what you want to achieve not specufuc technical questions
[03:41] <HrdwrBoB> specific
[03:41] <HrdwrBoB> muffin_: ?
[03:41] <biscuit_> How do I get my Realtek Hi Def Audio card to work in ubuntu
[03:42] <HrdwrBoB> I just ran apt-get install wine
[03:42] <muffin_> i want to complete the wine insallation
[03:42] <HrdwrBoB> and wine worked
[03:42] <Tzi> thezombiehunter: Can you hear anything coming through the speakers? Does it give any errors?
[03:42] <regeya> indeed, same here.
[03:42] <thezombiehunter> no
[03:42] <thezombiehunter> no errors
[03:42] <thezombiehunter> no sound
[03:43] <Tzi> So I guess the soundcard's working..Do you have a working mixer? Just see what the volume's set to
[03:43] <regeya> if you need to set up wine after installation and hate editing rc files, try 'winecfg'
[03:43] <biscuit_> How do you open the mixer
[03:43] <HrdwrBoB> if it's a soundblaster audigy
[03:43] <Ice9> how do I edit xorg?
[03:43] <biscuit_> Whats the term command
[03:43] <HrdwrBoB> the volume is muted
[03:43] <thezombiehunter> Tzi: i got alsamixer set up and unmuted do i need to get a mixer
[03:43] <HrdwrBoB> !audigy
[03:43] <ubotu> audigy is, like, muted by default in Ubuntu. To unmute, type alsamixer and find Audigy Analog/Digital Out. Select it and press M to unmute. Then type sudo alsactl store to save your settings.
[03:43] <thezombiehunter> its Sound Blaster 24 bit live
[03:43] <Tzi> thezombiehunter: Are you in gnome now? Just double-click on the volume control on the panel..
[03:43] <biscuit_> How do you set up alsamixer in ubuntu
[03:43] <thezombiehunter> no im in Kubuntu
[03:44] <HrdwrBoB> biscuit_: open a terminal
[03:44] <Ice9> !xorg
[03:44] <ubotu> it has been said that xorg is sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:44] <HrdwrBoB> run alsamixer
[03:44] <Tzi> thezombiehunter: Ah.. Does it have a mixer?
[03:44] <skalpel> can someone help me with installing gstreamer0.8-lame?
[03:44] <skalpel> it says i have dependency problams between packages
[03:44] <thezombiehunter> Tzi: i got alsamixer...it came with system, but i DO NOT have the real alsa i think
[03:44] <raggedgentleman> could someome tellme what the new backports repository is please =o)
[03:45] <peaker> Arrrrrrrrg udev sucks!!! What was wrong with normal mknod'd devices ? It used to be simple and now it takes hours to get a node to be created :( What advantages are there at all?
[03:45] <Tzi> !backports
[03:45] <ubotu> backports are applications with newer versions on a stable distributions. Ubuntu backports can be found in the hoary-backports section
[03:45] <biscuit_> HrdwrBob: It says command not found
[03:45] <Tzi> raggedgentleman: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[03:45] <skalpel> would someone like to tell me what this meanns? gstreamer0.8-lame: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu14 is to be installed
[03:45] <thezombiehunter> Tzi: can i use a sudo apt-get install command for the alsa?
[03:46] <HrdwrBoB> biscuit_: alsamixer is installed by default
[03:46] <regeya> !udev
[03:46] <ubotu> Wish i knew, regeya
[03:46] <regeya> lol
[03:46] <thezombiehunter> then why wont my sound card work
[03:46] <Tzi> thezombiehunter: Alsa will already be there.. It comes with k/ubuntu..
[03:46] <bur[n] er> anyone know what to do if I get a X_OpenFont error?
[03:46] <HrdwrBoB> alsa-utils: /usr/bin/alsamixer
[03:46] <regeya> http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[03:46] <thezombiehunter> ?
[03:46] <Ice9> can somebody walk me through getting 3d acceleration working on my ati radeon 9250?
[03:47] <thezombiehunter> Tzi: i know the only way i got it to work on suse was saying alsaconfig
[03:47] <nxv_> hi, i have trouble running topcoders learning area
[03:47] <nxv_> can somebody test if this works for him/her?
[03:47] <nxv_> javaws http://www.topcoder.com/contest/arena/ContestAppletGoogle.jnlp
[03:47] <thezombiehunter> Tzi: is there a guide for this
[03:48] <Tzi> thezombiehunter: Apart from Google, not that i know of
[03:48] <Tzi> thezombiehunter: Have you searched for your soundcard on ubuntuforums?
[03:48] <biscuit_> HrdwrBoB: Is says that function snd_ctl_open failed for default
[03:48] <tristanmike> Hi all
[03:48] <Tzi> thezombiehunter: Chances are, it's already working
[03:48] <thezombiehunter> Tzi: u know iv made about 3 posts about it and they dont even reply. no i did serch for no sound...nothing i needed.
[03:48] <thezombiehunter> Tzi: then why wont it work
[03:49] <snorks> how do i check what is running? or how do i kill cedega?
[03:49] <Tzi> thezombiehunter: It's probably just been stolen by one of the sound servers or something
[03:49] <Tzi> thezombiehunter: Is esd running?
[03:49] <thezombiehunter> Tzi: how do i find out lol
[03:49] <Tzi> thezombiehunter: Cos if it is, it probably should be killed to allow kde's sound server to have a go..
[03:49] <Tzi> thezombiehunter: Just try 'killall esd'
[03:49] <dech> thezombiehunter is your soundcard an audigy ?
[03:49] <thezombiehunter> sound blaster 24 bit live
[03:50] <zblach> hi
[03:50] <zblach> anyone here know how to set up a wireless card?
[03:50] <dech> ok type
[03:50] <dech> alsamixer
[03:50] <thezombiehunter> Tzi: esd: no process killed
[03:50] <Tzi> zblach: What kind of wireless card?
[03:50] <thezombiehunter> dech: what?
[03:50] <dech> in rpompt
[03:50] <dech> alsamixer
[03:50] <dech> prompt*
[03:51] <thezombiehunter> dech: i did that alredy
[03:51] <dech> Ok
[03:51] <thezombiehunter> dech: didint help
[03:51] <Tzi> thezombiehunter: sudo fuser /dev/snd/pcm*
[03:51] <dech> ok
[03:51] <dech> did you unmute master and turn it up
[03:51] <dech> and also
[03:51] <thezombiehunter> yea
[03:51] <dech> 3rd last one
[03:51] <Tzi> thezombiehunter: fuser -v actually
[03:52] <raggedgentleman> Tzi, ubuntuforums.org is hosting the backport repository??
[03:52] <Tzi> raggedgentleman: I think it used to but not any more.. There are mirrors now
[03:52] <raggedgentleman> Tzi, cuz i cant accaully do any web browsing from here
[03:52] <thezombiehunter> nothing happend
[03:52] <Tzi> raggedgentleman: Ahh okay.. Hang on, lemme get you a mirror
[03:52] <thezombiehunter> Tzi: nothing
[03:52] <tristanmike> sorry to jump in, but there is quite a lenghty thread on ubuntu forums about the soundblaster 24 bit cards
[03:52] <Tzi> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[03:52] <Tzi> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[03:52] <raggedgentleman> Tzi, thanks a lot
[03:52] <Mot> anyone know BIOS settings
[03:53] <Tzi> thezombiehunter: Okay, so nothing is using the soundcard.. Hmm...
[03:53] <Tzi> tristanmike: Hmm, that sounds helpful =)
[03:53] <snorks> How do I check what apps are running?
[03:53] <Tzi> thezombiehunter: Have you seen that thread?
[03:53] <raggedgentleman> Tzi, wait im stuck in warty accually =o)
[03:53] <tristanmike> Tzi: here it is http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19307&highlight=sound+blaster+24bit
[03:54] <snorks> where do i find the ID if i want to kill something?
[03:54] <Ice9> can somebody walk me through getting 3d acceleration working on my ati radeon 9250?
[03:54] <thezombiehunter> Tzi: dont think so
[03:54] <thezombiehunter> Tzi: ill get back to you
[03:54] <oceandead> im never buying another creative product
[03:54] <tristanmike> thezombiehunter: have you seen this thread yet?? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19307&highlight=sound+blaster+24bit
[03:54] <oceandead> everrrrr
[03:55] <thezombiehunter> yea
[03:55] <thezombiehunter> im trying it now thou
[03:55] <thezombiehunter> lol
[03:55] <thezombiehunter> can somone help mot
[03:55] <thezombiehunter> none of the linux works for him
[03:55] <thezombiehunter> i think hes not burning it as a ISO image
[03:55] <tristanmike> Mot: what's your problem
[03:56] <Mot> back
[03:56] <Mot> ok
[03:56] <snorks> How do I check what apps are currently running? I want to kill something, but I don't know how
[03:56] <raggedgentleman> Tzi, thanks for the mirror!
[03:57] <Mot> tristan: i think there is something wrong with my bios
[03:57] <Mot> but i dont know what
[03:57] <thezombiehunter> Mot: make sure ur burning it right, theres nothing wrong with ur os trust me on that
[03:57] <skalpel> can someone telol me how to send a broadcast message to a user logged into my computer?
[03:57] <Mot> it wont load cds at the beginning
[03:57] <tristanmike> snorks: you can try system moniter
[03:57] <tristanmike> *monitor
[03:57] <geneo93> sudo pidof (app)
[03:58] <thezombiehunter> mot: the same thing happend to me, u need a good burning program that can burn ISO images...but i dont know which one now lol
[03:58] <Mot> roxio does burn iso's
[03:58] <oceandead> make sure burning it right (in nero - "file" > "burn image...")
[03:58] <thezombiehunter> Mot: if all else fails, ask somone to send u a ubuntu CD
[03:58] <oceandead> then make sure bios is set to boot from cd first
[03:59] <Mot> no but before i tried using redhat and that didnt work but that was a cd that came with a redhat guide
[03:59] <tristanmike> Mot: yes, like oceandead said, are you set to boot from CD in the BIOS
[03:59] <Mot> i tried to set it like that
[03:59] <Mot> but still it doesnt work
[03:59] <Mot> you go to boot order
[03:59] <biscuit_> Ok, I did sudo modprobe snd_intel8x0 and it worked fine, but then when I tried to use alsamixer, it gave me still : alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[03:59] <Mot> than i put boot from usb or cd rom first i think
[03:59] <Mot> it was the only thing that said cd in it
[03:59] <tristanmike> Mot: Boot order, Floppy/CD/CD
[03:59] <oceandead> Mot, when you put the cd in the drive and browse the contents in a file manager...is there only one file (a .iso)?
[04:00] <ice_1963> red hat :0(-
[04:00] <thezombiehunter> Tzi: sudo fuser /dev/snd/pcm*
[04:00] <Mot> when i put the cd in the drive
[04:00] <thezombiehunter> Tzi: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1379
[04:00] <Mot> while the comp is already on, a folder comes up
[04:00] <thezombiehunter> Tzi: it fails on 3ed step
[04:00] <Mot> but when i boot it up wiith the cd already in nothing happens
[04:00] <thezombiehunter> Tzi: usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: alsa-source, is not installed
[04:00] <zblach> Tzi: A Linksys ... lemme look it up
[04:01] <oceandead> bios...
[04:01] <Mot> ?
[04:01] <Mot> i tried to fix my bios
[04:01] <zblach> Tzi, a Wireless-G WMP54G
[04:01] <Mot> but nothing changed
[04:01] <Mot> same thing
[04:01] <oceandead> did you save the changes?
[04:01] <thezombiehunter> hey anyone know how to add more port forwarding on linksys...its gettin annoying
[04:01] <Mot> its been saved
[04:01] <bjweeks> yes
[04:01] <Mot> when i go to it'
[04:01] <zblach> thezombiehunter, a linksys router?
[04:01] <Mot> its already in the right order
[04:02] <thezombiehunter> zblach: yea
[04:02] <oceandead> linksys router?
[04:02] <thezombiehunter> yes
[04:02] <Mot> thezombiehunter: www.portforward.com
[04:02] <bjweeks> no
[04:02] <bjweeks> he want more
[04:02] <tristanmike> Mot: Like oceandead asked, if you open the cd, do you have just one file?
[04:02] <thezombiehunter> im out of port range forwarding
[04:02] <bjweeks> you should try a open source firmwere
[04:02] <bjweeks> like ddwrt
[04:02] <thezombiehunter> were do i get it
[04:02] <Mot> no
[04:02] <bjweeks> 1 sec
[04:02] <Mot> one i open the cd
[04:02] <Mot> i have folders
[04:02] <oceandead> depends what router
[04:03] <tristanmike> thezombiehunter: I have a linksys router
[04:03] <zblach> same
[04:03] <Mot> when*
[04:03] <thezombiehunter> cool
[04:03] <oceandead> which model i mean
[04:03] <zblach> but i'm having trouble with my wireless card
[04:03] <bjweeks> lol
[04:03] <biscuit_> My alsamixer won't open and i did a modprobe?
[04:03] <thezombiehunter> 3rd Step - This will allow you to configure the alsa source.
[04:03] <thezombiehunter>
[04:03] <thezombiehunter>
[04:03] <thezombiehunter> Quote:
[04:03] <thezombiehunter> sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source, and say no to PnP, yes to debug, and choose the ca0106 driver it fao;s
[04:03] <Concord_Dawn> zblach, what model?
[04:03] <oceandead> openwrt, hyperwrt, ddwrt, etc etc
[04:03] <bjweeks> ^^^ what he said
[04:03] <thezombiehunter> that fails
[04:03] <thezombiehunter> the 3ed step
[04:03] <biscuit_> Oh
[04:03] <oceandead> i havent tried em yet
[04:03] <biscuit_> I configured it ok
[04:03] <bjweeks> i love em
[04:04] <bjweeks> openwrt is hard to use tho
[04:04] <Concord_Dawn> can someone help me with installing a JSP container for Apache2?
[04:04] <Mot> tristan is it supposed to be one file?
[04:04] <thezombiehunter> how the heck do i get my sound card to run Tzi u still here
[04:04] <oceandead> but im annoyed that i cant set up decent rules
[04:04] <Mot> mine isnt one file
[04:04] <tristanmike> Mot: no, what kind of harddrive? IDE, SATA, RAID?
[04:04] <oceandead> and that with firewall and loggin enabled ...nothing incoming gets logged...wtf
[04:04] <thezombiehunter> 3rd Step - This will allow you to configure the alsa source.
[04:04] <thezombiehunter>
[04:04] <thezombiehunter>
[04:04] <thezombiehunter> Quote:
[04:04] <thezombiehunter> sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source, and say no to PnP, yes to debug, and choose the ca0106 driver
[04:04] <Mot> uhmmmmmmm
[04:04] <biscuit_> thezombiehunter: What kind of card?
[04:04] <Mot> ide i tihnk
[04:04] <thezombiehunter> sound blaster 24bit live
[04:05] <tristanmike> Mot: that shouldn't be the issue then
[04:05] <biscuit_> Hmmmm
[04:05] <thezombiehunter> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19307&highlight=sound+blaster+24bit im trying that
[04:05] <Concord_Dawn> thezombiehunter, don't paste that again.
[04:05] <Concord_Dawn> paste in the pastebin.
[04:05] <Syco54645> i was wondering if there is a way that i can finalize a dvd that i made with a standalone one at the library at my uni. since the library is closed tonight, i was wondering if there would be a way that i can safely finalize the dvd-rw disc so that i can read it in my drive. i would prefer if it were with a command line tool because my drive is dead and i have been using the livecd for some time now
[04:05] <tristanmike> Mot: by chance, have you tried to burn the cd at a slower speed?
[04:05] <Mot> no
[04:05] <thezombiehunter> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: alsa-source, is not installed
[04:05] <thezombiehunter> thats what it says on the 3ed step
[04:05] <bjweeks> then isstall it
[04:05] <bjweeks> duh?
[04:05] <Mot> why does the burn speed matter?
[04:05] <PurpleMotion> Hai, fsckers!
[04:06] <bjweeks> ^gay
[04:06] <thezombiehunter> well were do i get it lol
[04:06] <bjweeks> sudo apt-get install alsa-source
[04:06] <oceandead> ha
[04:06] <bjweeks> yes
[04:06] <PurpleMotion> bjweeks: just out of idle curiosity, whats gay?
[04:06] <Mot> what burner do you guys use.. nero?
[04:06] <bjweeks> haha nero on ubuntu
[04:06] <thezombiehunter> its alredy there
[04:07] <thezombiehunter> thats why im going nuts here
[04:07] <oceandead> gnomebaker
[04:07] <zblach> Concord_Dawn, WMP54G
[04:07] <biscuit_> Do you have the headers thezombiehunter
[04:07] <tristanmike> Mot: Nero should be fine, but for ISO's in windows, I use Alcohol 120%
[04:07] <Mot> ok ill try that brb
[04:07] <oceandead> windows ...nero
[04:07] <Concord_Dawn> !tell zblach about ndiswrapper
[04:07] <zblach> tristanmike, try ISOBuster
[04:07] <Mot> where can i get Alcohol 120%
[04:07] <thezombiehunter> sudo apt-get install build-essential fakeroot linux-headers-$(uname -r) alsa-source kernel-package i downloaded that from sudo
[04:07] <Concord_Dawn> can anyone help me with installing a JSP container for Apache2?
[04:07] <biscuit_> ohh ok
[04:07] <bjweeks> You have to pay for it
[04:07] <Concord_Dawn> !jsp
[04:07] <ubotu> Concord_Dawn: I give up, what is it?
[04:07] <tristanmike> zblach, does ISOBuster give me a virtual drive?
[04:07] <zblach> tristanmike, no
[04:07] <PurpleMotion> jsp = java server pages
[04:08] <biscuit_> ISOBuster just kinda displays everything inside the iso and asks if you want to extrract it or not
[04:08] <Concord_Dawn> PurpleMotion, yes.
[04:08] <tristanmike> zblach, that's why I like Alcohol, so I can just mount my ISO's
[04:08] <PurpleMotion> last i checked it's tomcat native and available as an apache mod, right?
[04:08] <Concord_Dawn> I need a container for them in Apache.
[04:08] <Concord_Dawn> nfi
[04:08] <Concord_Dawn> there's a mod-jk2 in the repos.
[04:08] <thezombiehunter> biscuit_: sudo apt-get install build-essential fakeroot linux-headers-$(uname -r) alsa-source kernel-package
[04:08] <bjweeks> But 120% is not free
[04:08] <Concord_Dawn> but it looks like I need tomcat4 installed
[04:08] <Concord_Dawn> which I don't have in the repos.
[04:08] <PurpleMotion> Concord_Dawn: have you considered tomcat?
[04:09] <Concord_Dawn> PurpleMotion, is there a repo for it?
[04:09] <tristanmike> ......well, alcohol120% was......
[04:09] <PurpleMotion> Concord_Dawn: tomcat's available, holdon, ill dig it up
[04:09] <bjweeks> but that just for mounting right?
[04:09] <tristanmike> nevermind, lol
[04:09] <peaker> if a snd-X driver loads successfully, does it mean I really have the driver's supported hardware, or will it work even if I dont have such hardware?
[04:10] <PurpleMotion> hrmmm
[04:10] <PurpleMotion> it appears there isnt
[04:10] <PurpleMotion> wtf
[04:10] <crompton> i have an amd turion processor in my laptop, it is 64-bit, would it be wise of me to install the 64-bit ubuntu or keep with the 32-bit?
[04:10] <Concord_Dawn> yeah
[04:10] <Concord_Dawn> that's what I thought.
[04:10] <PurpleMotion> holdon man, ill find it
[04:10] <PurpleMotion> or ill buuld you a deb
[04:10] <PurpleMotion> build
[04:10] <Tzi> thezombiehunter: Sorry, got sidetracked =)
[04:11] <Tzi> thezombiehunter: Hmm..
[04:11] <PurpleMotion> you know you can build a .deb file from any source package
[04:11] <Concord_Dawn> "_
[04:11] <Concord_Dawn> no
[04:11] <Concord_Dawn> I didn't.
[04:11] <PurpleMotion> yeah you can
[04:11] <PurpleMotion> heh
[04:11] <PurpleMotion> lemme find you a tutorial on that
[04:12] <PurpleMotion> then you can solve your own problem :) and perhaps you'll contribute it to the community
[04:12] <Tzi> zblach: How's it going? I got sidetracked =)
[04:12] <PurpleMotion> ubotu, tell me about yourself
[04:12] <thezombiehunter> Tzi: nvm its working
[04:13] <thezombiehunter> Tzi: by working i mean i got past 3ed step
[04:13] <milksteak> hmmmm
[04:13] <milksteak> Concord Dawn
[04:13] <milksteak> good band
[04:13] <Concord_Dawn> yeah
[04:13] <Concord_Dawn> can't find any of their songs though
[04:13] <milksteak> heh
[04:13] <thezombiehunter> Tzi: pm Alsa Source do i need to press No
[04:13] <milksteak> I have a few albums
[04:13] <Tzi> thezombiehunter: That's a start.. I'm still not convinced that alsa isn't already setup.. =)
[04:13] <milksteak> you from NZ
[04:13] <milksteak> ?
[04:13] <Tzi> thezombiehunter: I'm not sure..
[04:14] <PurpleMotion> Concord_Dawn: watch ubotu
[04:14] <PurpleMotion> !pbuilder
[04:14] <ubotu> methinks pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[04:14] <thezombiehunter> TziL seting up..
[04:14] <thezombiehunter> Tzi: thezombiehunter@thezombiehunter:/usr/src/modules/alsa-driver$ cd .. && ls *.deb
[04:14] <thezombiehunter> ls: *.deb: No such file or directory
[04:14] <thezombiehunter> um..
[04:14] <skalpel> can someone tell me what this means? root 19568 0.0 0.2 14456 680 ? Ss 20:29 0:00 sshd: bonnie [priv]
[04:14] <skalpel> bonnie 19571 0.0 0.4 14760 1092 ? S 20:29 0:01 sshd: bonnie@notty
[04:14] <PurpleMotion> but that might even be a little more than you need
[04:14] <peaker> it seems sound support is the #1 ubuntu issue isn't it?
[04:14] <reiki> is there an app that shows a graphic representation of disk space used?
[04:15] <PurpleMotion> peaker: mine works fine
[04:15] <darkheart> peaker Mine works fine as well.
[04:15] <Concord_Dawn> thanks PurpleMotion
[04:15] <remyforbes777> is there a amd 64 bit version of Debian?
[04:15] <remyforbes777> that works?
[04:15] <PurpleMotion> yes
[04:15] <PurpleMotion> well
[04:15] <PurpleMotion> sorta
[04:15] <PurpleMotion> heh
[04:15] <thezombiehunter> Tzi: damn it its messin up
[04:15] <cafuego> skalpel: means bonnie logged in via ssh
[04:15] <remyforbes777> sorta?
[04:15] <EasterSunshine> reiki: konqueror has a file size view that shows files and folders in a size proportional to how much space they take up
[04:15] <PurpleMotion> i mean it mostly works
[04:16] <cafuego> skalpel: 'last -d bonnie'
[04:16] <PurpleMotion> and they're adding more to it every day
[04:16] <EasterSunshine> reiki: if that is what you are looking for, it helps to find what is taking up most of the room in any part of your local filesystems
[04:16] <reiki> EasterSunshine: konqueror = KDE?
[04:16] <thezombiehunter> Tzi: were the heck is my system preferences Multimedia system selectors in Kubuntu
[04:16] <peaker> PurpleMotion, darkheart: I've spent the last many hours trying to get mine to work :-( took me a lot of time to realize how udev mutilated /dev into a complex beast, and I cant get an alsa driver to recognize my card despite the docs saying it should :(
[04:16] <skabble> cafuego, should the user be root? or is that just part of the whole ubuntu thing
[04:16] <Tzi> thezombiehunter: Somewhere in kcontrol, I assume =)
[04:16] <remyforbes777> hmmmm
[04:16] <EasterSunshine> reiki: yes konqueror is part of kde, anything that starts with k is usually kde
[04:16] <remyforbes777> i just bought a new amd turion lap
[04:17] <remyforbes777> wanted to get a 64 bit distro on there
[04:17] <cafuego> skabble: sshd needs to be root so it can 1) listen on port 22 and 2) check the password.
[04:17] <reiki> EasterSunshine: : anything for gnome?
[04:17] <PurpleMotion> peaker: are you loading the right module for your soundcard?
[04:17] <milksteak> hmmm
[04:17] <skabble> cafuego, thank you very much. what do pts/1,2,3 etc mean?
[04:17] <milksteak> Konqueror runs on Gnome
[04:17] <cafuego> skabble: Do you see how pid 19571 is NOT root?
[04:17] <milksteak> as far as I know
[04:17] <reiki> ahh... okies
[04:17] <remyforbes777> wanted it to be debian based
[04:17] <EasterSunshine> reiki: you can run konqueror on gnome but you'll have to install all the kde libs. otherwise, i have never used gnome so i don't know
[04:17] <peaker> PurpleMotion: some googling says that for my card (Intel high definition) needs the snd-azx module.. I load it successfully but the dev files say no such device
[04:17] <skabble> cafuego, yeah, i am just wondering if they are connected at all
[04:17] <PurpleMotion> milksteak: and xp runs on a p-2 233, that doesnt mean you should do it
[04:17] <thezombiehunter> Tzi: is there a way to uninstall all that then reinstall?
[04:17] <remyforbes777> i tried Ubuntu amd 64 bit but it freezes when booting
[04:18] <cafuego> skabble: 'ps auxww | grep bonnie'
[04:18] <peaker> PurpleMotion: dmesg seems to mention that azx loaded without finding any hardware, but its hardly a readable message so I am not sure of that
[04:18] <PurpleMotion> peaker: show me the message
[04:19] <peaker> ALSA /usr/src/deb/alsa-driver-1.0.8/pci/azx/hda_codec.c:416:hda_codec: no AFG node found
[04:19] <peaker> ALSA /usr/src/deb/alsa-driver-1.0.8/pci/azx/azx.c:782:azx: no codecs initialized
[04:19] <skabble> cafuego, root 19568 0.0 0.2 14456 680 ? Ss 20:29 0:00 sshd: bonnie [priv]
[04:19] <skabble> bonnie 19571 0.0 0.4 14760 1092 ? S 20:29 0:02 sshd: bonnie@notty
[04:19] <skabble> bonnie 19572 0.0 0.3 3348 860 ? Ss 20:29 0:00 /usr/lib/sftp-server
[04:19] <cafuego> skabble: Ah, bonnie is copying data via sftp
[04:20] <peaker> PurpleMotion: The ubuntu alsa deb did not come with azx at all I had to apt-get source and build it myself... debian/rules binary doesn't seem to build any driver, so I had to resort to using configure/make/make-install
[04:20] <skalpel> cafuego, i see that :)
[04:20] <cafuego> skalpel: is bonnie a user you created, who is allwed to log in?
[04:20] <PurpleMotion> peaker: that doesnt tell me anything about hardware, that tells me that no codecs are present on your syste,.. try: apt-get source -b package-name
[04:20] <skapple> yes, she is
[04:20] <cafuego> skalpel: no problems then
[04:20] <PurpleMotion> it will auto-build the package after downloading
[04:21] <PurpleMotion> i had the same problem with the mplayer source, and thats how i fixed it
[04:21] <Mot> should i get Alcohol 120% or 50%
[04:21] <peaker> PurpleMotion: But codecs in this context probably means codecs required to communicate with the hardware, doesn't it?
[04:22] <PurpleMotion> i would imagine
[04:22] <ray_> has anyone installed the ati drivers from their site?
[04:22] <PurpleMotion> try building it as i said :)
[04:22] <PurpleMotion> it might work
[04:22] <Ice9> can somebody walk me through getting 3d acceleration working on my ati radeon 9250?
[04:22] <PurpleMotion> Ice9: watch ubotu
[04:22] <peaker> PurpleMotion: And after installing snd-azx into kernel, /dev/asound and /dev/dsp (after installing snd-pcm-oss too ofcourse) still cause "no such device" so I assume snd-azx failed to find the hardware
[04:22] <ray_> Ice9, thats the old one huh
[04:22] <PurpleMotion> !ati
[04:22] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[04:22] <peaker> PurpleMotion: ya I will thanks
[04:22] <PurpleMotion> i got a 9250 and it runs great
[04:23] <ray_> PurpleMotion, with fglrx?
[04:23] <Ice9> I've tried that, it doesn't work
[04:23] <PurpleMotion> yessir
[04:23] <Ice9> I've done so many thigns lol
[04:23] <skapple> how do i enable multiple connections on my computer?
[04:23] <PurpleMotion> fglrx 246716 7
[04:24] <PurpleMotion> then you're missing a step, plain and simple
[04:24] <ray_> Ice9, did you.....apt-get install fglrx....then change xorg.conf...only that one part
[04:24] <Ice9> if thats what the guide says..
[04:24] <PurpleMotion> you also have to load the fglrx module and put it in /etc/modules.conf
[04:24] <PurpleMotion> if you followed the guide, it would work.
[04:24] <Ice9> :/
[04:24] <ray_> PurpleMotion, i didnt have to.......? weird
[04:24] <PurpleMotion> ray_: I did
[04:25] <ray_> brb
[04:25] <StrikeForce1> #fedora-mktg
[04:25] <Chiacomo> I've got some total noob questions... Anyone up for it?
[04:25] <StrikeForce1> woops
[04:25] <peaker> PurpleMotion: It seems that apt-get -b source simply runs debian/rules binary, it doesn't build any drivers :-(
[04:25] <EasterSunshine> chiacomo: just ask. that's what we're here for
[04:26] <PurpleMotion> ray_, Ice9: i originally built and installed the latest at drivers from ati's package. The i saw the wiki, and decided to try it. I got it to work that way as well.. but I have since reinstalled the ati drivers because they are a little more current and considerably faster
[04:26] <Chiacomo> EasterSunshine: Thanks...
[04:26] <PurpleMotion> peaker: ah.. you're beyond my scope, im afraid.. but someone here surely can help you, just stick around and toss your question every so often till soemone who knows how to fix it sees it
[04:27] <peaker> PurpleMotion: I'll just not use a deb for this for now (Yeah its messy but it should work :) I'll try alsa 0.9 from source and see if it works better
[04:27] <Chiacomo> A good friend of mine recomended kubuntu for a desktop/general computing machine at my home (rather than slackware)... I'd never considered linux as a desktop operating system (for home use)... Seems very cool... I'm having trouble with sound.
[04:27] <PurpleMotion> it's not so messy :)
[04:27] <PurpleMotion> I don't mind installing from source at all
[04:27] <Chiacomo> Now, I'm trying this out on a terribly old Dell GX1so I'm not surprised I have not sound... Any clues on drivers, etc? Where should I start?
[04:28] <thezombiehunter_> Tzi: bash: alsa-modules-2.6.10-4-k7_1.0.8-4ubuntu1_i386.deb: command not found
[04:28] <PurpleMotion> Chiacomo: show me the output of: lsmod | grep snd
[04:28] <biscuit__> Chiacomo: What kinda card
[04:28] <Chiacomo> ... the "card" is probably on-board... Rather than a sepereate card.
[04:29] <biscuit__> thezombiehunter_:Its either a typo or you may have to"dig-in" to find the package
[04:29] <biscuit__> Oh ok
[04:29] <PurpleMotion> Chiacomo: also show me the output of: dmesg | grep -i audio
[04:29] <thezombiehunter_> thezombiehunter@thezombiehunter:/usr/src/modules$ sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[04:29] <thezombiehunter_> dpkg: error processing *.deb (--install):
[04:29] <thezombiehunter_> cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[04:29] <thezombiehunter_> Errors were encountered while processing:
[04:29] <thezombiehunter_> *.deb
[04:29] <thezombiehunter_> thezombiehunter@thezombiehunter:/usr/src/modules$
[04:29] <thezombiehunter_> right
[04:29] <thezombiehunter_> sould i just reinstall linux?
[04:29] <biscuit__> Chiacomo: Do you have an Intel Motherboard
[04:30] <Chiacomo> biscuit__: Yeah, I'm sure...
[04:30] <biscuit__> Ok
[04:30] <PurpleMotion> thezombiehunter: no, you should do: apt-get -f install
[04:30] <thezombiehunter_> what is it
[04:30] <biscuit__> Chiacomo: I have one too, but i just can't get alsaconf or alsamixer to open
[04:30] <PurpleMotion> Chiacomo: have you seen anything i have said to you?
[04:30] <Chiacomo> PurpleMotion: Yeah...
[04:30] <peaker> PurpleMotion: You're a fan of Future Crew, btw? :)
[04:31] <PurpleMotion> could you please show me the output of those two commands?
[04:31] <Chiacomo> PurpleMotion: Nothing from either grep... Hrm... I suppose that's bad.
[04:31] <PurpleMotion> Chiacomo: means your onboard sound is disabled, try going into the bios and checking to see if it's not disabled there.
[04:31] <skapple> why can't i make multiple ssh connections on my computer
[04:31] <PurpleMotion> peaker: no, but that's where i got the name
[04:31] <Chiacomo> Hrm... Rebooting...
[04:31] <Chiacomo> PurpleMotion: So, should detect something if sound is turned on, right?
[04:32] <PurpleMotion> should, yeah
[04:32] <Chiacomo> Great.. Back in a few...
[04:32] <PurpleMotion> might have to 'reset configuration data' in your bios
[04:32] <PurpleMotion> hope he saw that
[04:32] <PurpleMotion> could have saved him a reboot
[04:32] <biscuit__> PurpleMotion: Can I give you my output onthat first thing you said, the second won't give anything out.
[04:32] <thezombiehunter_> apt-get -f install
[04:32] <thezombiehunter_> what is that
[04:32] <PurpleMotion> yeah, do it in msg
[04:33] <PurpleMotion> thezombiehunter: it fixes broken installs
[04:33] <thezombiehunter_> thks
[04:33] <PurpleMotion> biscuit__: regular msg please
[04:33] <biscuit__> Ummmm
[04:33] <OCA|> Does the latest Ubuntu live cd support writing to NTFS disks? And is NTFS writing safe yet? (I remember in the past it was dangerous at best)
[04:33] <biscuit__> How do i do that :-/
[04:33] <dabaR> Greetings...
[04:33] <miguel> can someone tell me a good divx player for ubuntu plz?
[04:33] <thezombiehunter_> sudo apt-get -f install
[04:33] <thezombiehunter_> Reading package lists... Done
[04:33] <thezombiehunter_> Building dependency tree... Done
[04:33] <thezombiehunter_> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 34 not upgraded.
[04:33] <biscuit__> Im new with IRC ever since moving to Windows
[04:33] <zerboxx> Is anyone here very comfortable with perl programming?
[04:34] <i4> PurpleMotion: is there a way to enable multiple ssh conenctions on my computer/
[04:34] <i4> ?
[04:34] <i4> dabaR: you can answer that if you want :)
[04:35] <dabaR> you can have multiple connections as soon as you install the server.
[04:35] <zerboxx> I need help figuring out what is going wrong with a perl script, does anyone mind giving me a hand?
[04:35] <i4> dabaR: k, i have ssh installed.
[04:35] <dabaR> i4: k, go all out with the connections...recursively!
[04:35] <sambagirl> why so many processes running this is redicullous.
[04:36] <i4> dabaR: huh
[04:36] <Tzi> miguel: xine =) apt-get install xine-ui
[04:36] <Mot> anyone know of a free iso burner?
[04:36] <miguel> Tzi: thanx
[04:36] <Tzi> Mot: Nautilus? =)
[04:36] <umboto> has anyone been able to install the nvidia nforce drivers on unbuntu?
[04:36] <Tzi> Mot: k3b is a good cd burner too, will also burn isos
[04:37] <umboto> Mot, gnome baker
[04:37] <Tzi> Mot: I'd be surprised if you found a non-free iso burner =)
[04:37] <Mot> lol which one is better :-D
[04:37] <Tzi> umboto: Mine just work.. They're in linux-restricted-modules
[04:37] <Tzi> Mot: k3b is better =)
[04:37] <Tzi> Mot: gnome baker doesn't allow overburning
[04:37] <Mot> wahts the website
[04:37] <umboto> yea but i think im having conflicting issues with my audio
[04:37] <Tzi> Mot: apt-get install k3b :P
[04:37] <biscuit__> Veritas on Windows is the most unstubborn
[04:37] <Tzi> umboto: Really? Is it an nforce?
[04:38] <umboto> yea
[04:38] <dabaR> i4, I mean, you can go ahead and connect more than once..and recursively means therough one ssh session to your computer, make another one, and so on till infinity.
[04:38] <umboto> i get like freezes
[04:38] <c0rrupt_> ubotu, alsa
[04:38] <Tzi> umboto: Tricky =) Have you trawled ubuntuforums and google?
[04:38] <ubotu> rumour has it, alsa is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063, or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[04:38] <umboto> but it happens on random
[04:38] <umboto> wheni play music
[04:38] <umboto> alsa?
[04:38] <Mot> tzi , wats the site?
[04:38] <umboto> c0rrupt_, what about alsa?
[04:38] <umboto> oops
[04:38] <umboto> you were talking to someone else
[04:38] <umboto> haha
[04:39] <zerboxx> dabar: I've posted it somewhere else too "http://sial.org/pbot/12581"
[04:39] <Tzi> Mot: I dunno, just google it =)
[04:40] <EasterSunshine> hey where is that n00b i said i would help...? oh well...
[04:40] <c0rrupt_> nothing, i just hate how i can only use sound on 1 program at a time..
[04:40] <PurpleMotion> c0rrupt_: buy a better sound card ;)
[04:40] <umboto> i think i have the same problem c0rrupt_
[04:40] <c0rrupt_> i thought thats all alsa can do
[04:40] <peaker> PurpleMotion: It works! :) Alsa 1.0.9 supports my card okay
[04:40] <c0rrupt_> you cant have more..
[04:41] <c0rrupt_> ..can you?
[04:41] <umboto> my pc can only handle one sound process at a time
[04:41] <umboto> if i do two...i freeze
[04:41] <c0rrupt_> yea
[04:41] <c0rrupt_> i dont freeze..
[04:41] <c0rrupt_> it just doesnt work
[04:41] <umboto> i freeze :-/
[04:41] <EasterSunshine> you guys need to read up on sound servers
[04:41] <c0rrupt_> alsa only supports 1 process at a time..
[04:41] <c0rrupt_> o.0
[04:41] <Mot> hey k3b is only for linux?
[04:41] <umboto> i c
[04:41] <c0rrupt_> thats what ive heard
[04:41] <Mot> i dont see a windows installer
[04:41] <umboto> why dont you use esd?
[04:42] <c0rrupt_> 0.o
[04:42] <oceandead> heh
[04:42] <c0rrupt_> EasterSunshine... is there any fix?
[04:42] <umboto> i wouldn't mind compling my own nforce drivers, but it says that it can't find the kernel-sources, even though i downloaded them
[04:42] <umboto> through the snaptic package thingy
[04:42] <umboto> i don't know where it installed it too
[04:42] <c0rrupt_> go to /usr/src
[04:43] <EasterSunshine> c0rrupt: i dunno, but i can run multiple sound processes just fine
[04:43] <c0rrupt_> hmm
[04:43] <umboto> hmm ill check
[04:43] <nomasteryoda|w> !chroot
[04:43] <ubotu> nomasteryoda|w: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[04:43] <c0rrupt_> easter is just lucky
[04:43] <c0rrupt_> ill ask seveas later..
[04:43] <nomasteryoda|w> !ubotu, that's not funny
[04:43] <ubotu> nomasteryoda|w: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[04:43] <PurpleMotion> peaker: think i could get true full duplex support if i installed alsa froms ource?
[04:43] <dabaR> zerboxx: asked on #perl?
[04:43] <zerboxx> dabaR: Yup :)
[04:44] <nomasteryoda|w> how can i use chroot to restory my kernel to /boot ...
[04:44] <nomasteryoda|w> ??
[04:44] <i4> dabaR: ah i see, i do not think i will do that though.
[04:44] <i4> dabar: i'm sure it would become unsafe
[04:44] <Mot> whats a good free iso burner for windows
[04:44] <Mot> ?
[04:44] <dabaR> zerboxx: dont tell me those freaks dont knowit?
[04:44] <PurpleMotion> Chiacomo: any luck, m8?
[04:44] <nomasteryoda|w> Mot, cdrecord
[04:44] <nomasteryoda|w> =)
[04:44] <dabaR> i4, there is no reason for it to,..but, it was a joke.
[04:44] <Mot> wats the site
[04:44] <zerboxx> dabaR: I have no idea what they're saying :D
[04:44] <OCA|> I'm looking for a filesystem that is supported (safely) in Linux and Windows, is relitively reliable, and has support for large files (50+ gigs). Does such a beast exist?
[04:44] <dabaR> heh, but they are speaking in english?
[04:44] <dabaR> fat.
[04:45] <peaker> PurpleMotion: An alsa upgrade is full of possibilities, and since there's no deb of 1.0.9, the answer must be ya
[04:45] <nomasteryoda|w> Mot, its a GPL recorder that is in Linux....you have Google, right?
[04:45] <dabaR> heh
[04:45] <Chiacomo> PurpleMotion: Okey... Sound is enabled... But when KDE starts, I get an error that says "Error when initializing sound driver: device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such file or directory)"
[04:45] <dabaR> sorry, never read to the eng.
[04:45] <Mot> ya but
[04:45] <dabaR> eend
[04:45] <concept10> OCA|, fat32
[04:45] <nomasteryoda|w> I guess I need to google for chroot too
[04:45] <Mot> i have windows
[04:45] <Mot> not linux
[04:45] <umboto> one thing that sucked about ubuntu, was that i couldn't burn cds, then thanks the help here, i installed the extra repos and installed cdrdao
[04:45] <nomasteryoda|w> Mot, google works on windows too
[04:45] <umboto> and now i have no probs
[04:45] <OCA|> concept10: fat32 has a 4 gig file size limit I thought?
[04:45] <Mot> i no lol
[04:45] <nomasteryoda|w> just google win32 cdrecord
[04:45] <Syco54645> so when does breezy come out?
[04:45] <Mot> ... but you said its in linux
[04:45] <umboto> i should stuck with freebsd
[04:46] <nomasteryoda|w> Mot, its available for both
[04:46] <umboto> :-/
[04:46] <concept10> OCA|, files bigger than 4gb, I dont know.
[04:46] <PurpleMotion> Chiacomo: try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base && sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-utils
[04:46] <nomasteryoda|w> lol
[04:46] <concept10> umboto, dont troll
[04:46] <umboto> sorry
[04:46] <Concord_Dawn> !fonts
[04:46] <ubotu> I heard fonts is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FontInstallHowto
[04:46] <umboto> "YHBT!"
[04:46] <OCA|> ...
[04:46] <OCA|> !sex
[04:46] <ubotu> OCA|: I don't know, could you explain it?
[04:47] <OCA|> ... damn
[04:47] <umboto> you have been tr0LL3d
[04:47] <umboto> jk jk
[04:47] <rob_p> zerboxx: You could change the, "$playing = `mpc`;" to something like, "$playing = `mpc | cut -d '-' -f2`;" and give it a shot. This would only work if the naming convention always has a, "-" between the band name and the song title.
[04:47] <concept10> OCA|, what do you need files larger than 50 gigs for?
[04:47] <Mot> wtf i cant find the cd record website
[04:47] <Mot> lol
[04:47] <dabaR> OCA|: .....:)
[04:47] <MrGardenHoseMan> is there any way to bind ctrl+alt+del to system manager?
[04:47] <zerboxx> rob_p: yup, always!
[04:47] <MrGardenHoseMan> i mean system monitor
[04:48] <OCA|> concept10: I'm taking the brute force method to hard drive backup = dd if=/dev/hda of=/mnt/usbhd basically
[04:48] <umboto> MrGardenHoseMan, its on the unoffical faqs on the wiki
[04:48] <MrGardenHoseMan> thanks
[04:48] <umboto> you can set ctrl alt delte to gnome system processes thingy
[04:48] <umboto> its pretty cool
[04:48] <gsanse> Does anybody know how can I enable a different user login in the xcreensaver locked screen message?
[04:48] <umboto> i tried doing the splash screen thing for grub, but i thinkn i messed up
[04:48] <Chiacomo> PurpleMotion: It asked me to choose one of three options (always autosave, autosave once, and never save)... Then it ran for a second and returned me to a prompt.. What now?
[04:49] <dabaR> umboto: two months from now, it will be standard ubuntu.
[04:49] <concept10> OCA|, maybe you could use ext3, there is support for windows soemwhere
[04:49] <dabaR> Hi, leader!
[04:49] <umboto> dabaR, thats awesome!
[04:49] <EasterSunshine> oh no i odn't want a splash screen
[04:49] <dabaR> its ok...:-/...tell me the practical use of that thing, please.
[04:49] <OCA|> concept10: I found an ext2 driver, but I'm a bit nervous about it (version 0.26?)
[04:49] <Mot> wats a good / free iso burner for windows
[04:49] <EasterSunshine> i can disable it right? i want ugly grey letters on black bg
[04:49] <dabaR> Do I ever boot? rarely...
[04:49] <umboto> Mot, how about isobuster?
[04:49] <umboto> wait no
[04:49] <dabaR> do I care about a picture, not for sure.
[04:49] <umboto> uh...
[04:50] <umboto> thinking
[04:50] <EasterSunshine> i haven't booted since july but still
[04:50] <umboto> dvddecrypter
[04:50] <concept10> OCA|, meybe you should find another backup method
[04:50] <umboto> its free
[04:50] <umboto> and it burns isos
[04:50] <umboto> i got it off of doom9.org
[04:50] <Mot> k
[04:50] <umboto> but why do you speak of win32 in this chan
[04:50] <umboto> it is forbidden
[04:50] <OCA|> concept10: I'm hoping to just do it this way to minimize cost and downtime, but if I can't find a reliable way to do this, then I will try to find another way.
[04:50] <concept10> because its not the topic
[04:50] <EasterSunshine> doze is unwelcomed here
[04:51] <umboto> lets lynch him!
[04:51] <EasterSunshine> lets give him a +q
[04:51] <umboto> jk jk
[04:51] <jayeola> no umboto : reboot him
[04:51] <Mot> is it also called dvdfab decrypter
[04:51] <jeffrae> Hello
[04:51] <umboto> haha jayeola
[04:51] <Spudchat> does anyone know how to convert wma to mp3 in ubuntu?
[04:51] <umboto> Spudchat, why would you
[04:51] <MrPockets> ask the file nicley
[04:51] <dabaR> hey jeffrae
[04:51] <jeffrae> has anyone here upgradede their GhostScript package on ubuntu?
[04:51] <umboto> ogg is free and better
[04:51] <Mot> wats ogg
[04:51] <Spudchat> for a friend of mine
[04:52] <umboto> ogg vorbis
[04:52] <umboto> better quality
[04:52] <EasterSunshine> microsoft doesn't want people to change out of wma, those losters
[04:52] <EasterSunshine> losers*
[04:52] <oceandead> flac is better :P
[04:52] <Mot> wait for iso burning?
[04:52] <dabaR> Spudchat: googled?
[04:52] <Chiacomo> PurpleMotion: Sorry to be a bother, but what now? I'm returned to a prompt after choosing always autosave...
[04:52] <umboto> flac creates HUGE Files
[04:52] <oceandead> flac is lossless
[04:52] <jeffrae> ogg flac is lossless
[04:52] <jeffrae> oops
[04:52] <zerboxx> rob_p: Blank like it was before
[04:52] <umboto> you can set quality for ogg at 1.0 and get the quality
[04:52] <jeffrae> floc is lossless
[04:52] <jeffrae> sorry about the ogg part
[04:52] <dabaR> dont forget to floss!
[04:52] <jeffrae> flac
[04:53] <oceandead> hehehe
[04:53] <EasterSunshine> anyone knows what is quality of ogg that i got from audiocd:/Ogg Vorbis/ ?
[04:53] <requiem_> !repositoires
[04:53] <ubotu> requiem_: I don't know
[04:53] <EasterSunshine> !repos
[04:53] <jeffrae> Mr prnter requires ghostscript 5.51
[04:53] <ubotu> well, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[04:53] <requiem_> !mirrors
[04:53] <ubotu> requiem_: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[04:53] <MrPockets> does Ubuntu have a equivilent to MS paint?
[04:53] <Spudchat> do i have lame by default?
[04:53] <jeffrae> My Printer requires ghostscript 8.51, but ubuntu only has 7.x
[04:53] <requiem_> EasterSunshine, thanks
[04:53] <EasterSunshine> mrpockets: gimp
[04:53] <Spudchat> it says its neede
[04:53] <Pechorin> MrPockets, gimp might be an overkill... try www.gnomefiles.org
[04:53] <OCA|> MrPockets: No, but it has a photoshot equivilent (Gimp).... (I would assume)
[04:53] <jeffrae> gimp is better
[04:53] <oceandead> why would anyone want ms paint equiv when you got the gimp
[04:54] <jeffrae> but gimp is overkill
[04:54] <EasterSunshine> mrpockets: acutally gimp is more like a run down photoshop. do you know about wine? you can use it to run mspaint on linux
[04:54] <Pechorin> oceandead, if you need something that loads faster? :)
[04:54] <dabaR> Spudchat: to find out whether a package is installed, you can use synaptic, or aptitude. eve apt probably, but thats deprecated.
[04:54] <dabaR> Spudchat: used synaptic?
[04:54] <dabaR> ever, and that...
[04:54] <umboto> ogg vs flac
[04:54] <oceandead> Pechorin, point taken
[04:54] <umboto> which is better?
[04:54] <OCA|> Run down photoshop? I've been forced to use Photoshop the past 9 months and I would LOVE to go back to the gimp, lool
[04:54] <umboto> it is like chicken vs beef
[04:54] <umboto> ?
[04:54] <jeffrae> My Printer requires ghostscript 8.51, but ubuntu only has 7.x has anyone ever upgraded their ghostscript package?
[04:54] <Pechorin> oceandead, though I do agree that gimp is great, of course
[04:55] <EasterSunshine> photoshop is a demon to throw into wine...anyone successful?
[04:55] <dabaR> jeffrae: where did you learn it needs that?
[04:55] <EasterSunshine> photoshop cs2, that is. i heard few ppl have success with it
[04:55] <jeffrae> from howtos
[04:55] <oceandead> agreed, youre right about the loading time though ...especially since prelink isnt recommended
[04:55] <rob_p> zerboxx: hmm... seems to work here!
[04:55] <jeffrae> They said that the the problem I am having with the pcl driver
[04:55] <jeffrae> is fixed in 8.51
[04:55] <nomasteryoda|w> anyone know how>... chroot restore kernel?
[04:55] <nomasteryoda|w> sorry to keep asking
[04:56] <dabaR> howtos on where?
[04:56] <nomasteryoda|w> i dorked up my /boot
[04:56] <nomasteryoda|w> so kernel is not there now
[04:56] <jeffrae> well not a howto, but someone elses personal experiance
[04:56] <dabaR> nomasteryoda|w: stop asking already;) just ask...
[04:56] <nomasteryoda|w> :/
[04:56] <nomasteryoda|w> k
[04:56] <jeffrae> I am having the sale problem he did untill he upgraded
[04:56] <jeffrae> my prints are shifted down and to the left like .5"
[04:56] <nomasteryoda|w> well, i asked, but no one replied
[04:56] <dabaR> well, what is the issue? from the forums some advice?
[04:56] <nomasteryoda|w> is kernel same on Live disk?
[04:57] <dabaR> I had that same thing, I remember that.
[04:57] <jeffrae> My printer asks to load aper after each job too... He claims 8.51 fixed that for him too
[04:57] <nomasteryoda|w> i saw a suggestion to chroot then just use the tools from installed disc to put new kernel onto ./boot
[04:57] <dabaR> jeffrae: is this a package, Ghostscript?
[04:58] <EasterSunshine> if(japanese_kubuntu == sexy)return TRUE; >>> TRUE
[04:58] <jeffrae> yes
[04:58] <ironuckles> hey all
[04:58] <jeffrae> you never heard of Ghostscript?
[04:58] <biscuit__> Where do I get the ALSA source at?
[04:58] <jeffrae> I thought everyone has
[04:58] <biscuit__> Like the exact URL
[04:58] <EasterSunshine> hello ironuckles, you appear to be missing two letters in your nick
[04:58] <jeffrae> gs-emp
[04:58] <thezombiehunter> my freekin sound card JUST WONT WORK ON LINUX THE ONLY ONE IT DID WORK ON WAS SUSE 9.3 PRO
[04:59] <ofer0> what is ubuntu`s lates kernel ?
[04:59] <ironuckles> EasterSunshine, i created this nick back in the day when AIM only let you have 10 characters
[04:59] <dabaR> biscuit__: you can likely get it from the repos.
[04:59] <EasterSunshine> ironuckles: wow you are old
[04:59] <fish> how do I set my ubuntu to always compile i686
[04:59] <peaker> dabaR: Unless you want the 1.0.9 version..
[04:59] <ironuckles> EasterSunshine, if 20 is old, then yes :-P
[04:59] <EasterSunshine> ironuckles: in that case you are over twice as old as i am...
[04:59] <thezombiehunter> i think ill just leave linux =/ nothing works here.
[05:00] <zerboxx> rob_p: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1380 is that the code you have?
[05:00] <ironuckles> EasterSunshine, what are you, one of those 'gifted' kids?
[05:00] <ofer0> thezombiehunter, cya
[05:00] <ofer0> thezombiehunter, sound like a cry for help
[05:00] <ofer0> *sounds
[05:00] <fish> I need to compile apt for i686 to take advantage of my pentium
[05:00] <EasterSunshine> ironuckles: this is horribly off topic, but i have a friend who ran an aim server, and logged in with a screename 480 chars long
[05:00] <thezombiehunter> dude i was just kddin, im just pissed ubuntu doesnt have built in support for sb live 24 bit
[05:00] <ironuckles> EasterSunshine, thats sweet
[05:00] <thezombiehunter> well Kubuntu anyway
[05:00] <fish> its compiling at i386 when I apt-get source -b apt
[05:01] <desrt> thezombiehunter; sblive24 is an awful card
[05:01] <thezombiehunter> no kidding
[05:01] <desrt> thezombiehunter; if you just bought it i recommend taking it back while you still can
[05:01] <thezombiehunter> my mic wont even work with it
[05:01] <thezombiehunter> i have a built in sound
[05:01] <razor7> hello...
[05:01] <EasterSunshine> ironuckles: i'm not gifted...
[05:01] <desrt> thezombiehunter; i was duped into buying one... it went back as soon as i discovered that it's not even vaguely the same card as a normal sblive
[05:01] <razor7> any idea on how to re enable root normal mode
[05:01] <thezombiehunter> lol
[05:01] <thezombiehunter> oh yea
[05:01] <ironuckles> EasterSunshine: nor am i
[05:01] <desrt> razor7; sudo passwd root
[05:01] <thezombiehunter> i have a huge problem
[05:01] <thezombiehunter> im running a server on ubuntu
[05:02] <thezombiehunter> CSS
[05:02] <desrt> razor7; but you should really try sudo out. it's nice.
[05:02] <thezombiehunter> my freinds a coder, he sorta...destroyed...the root account
[05:02] <thezombiehunter> its server only
[05:02] <razor7> ok...wit this i can do login: root?
[05:02] <thezombiehunter> so how do i fix that
[05:02] <Concord_Dawn> HOLY SHIT.
[05:02] <ofer0> NetSplit
[05:02] <Concord_Dawn> yup
[05:02] <nomasteryoda|w> yikes
[05:02] <desrt> razor7; no. you login as a normal user
[05:02] <Concord_Dawn> wait...
[05:02] <desrt> razor7; and use sudo to do root commands
[05:02] <desrt> !rootsudo
[05:02] <ubotu> [rootsudo] at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:02] <razor7> yes...but i want to restore the root account
[05:03] <desrt> read that
[05:03] <dabaR> use irssi, it doesnt even show people that left almost....
[05:03] <ofer0> razor7, ROOT account should not be used
[05:03] <dabaR> 22:02 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: njan, letme0ut, budluva, Yvonne, athlon, Davey|Work, cronstadt, StrikeForce1, zblach, vitriol, (+31 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all
[05:03] <dabaR> is the line I got.
[05:03] <razor7> because I need this for college
[05:03] <razor7> tryed Debian but Ubuntu is better
[05:03] <thezombiehunter> desrt: A. how the hell do i fix the root account on my other computer which my scripter destroyed, its council only, B. how would i reconfigure the sound for my on board card when i take out sblive24bit C. how do i add more port range forwarding to my linksys router
[05:03] <ironuckles> brb
[05:04] <razor7> but ubuntu has no root functionality
[05:04] <ofer0> dabaR, nice... :)
[05:04] <dabaR> razor7: consider sudo, and read that page, it will tell you how to turn on the root.
[05:04] <razor7> and i want it back...jejeje
[05:04] <ofer0> razor7, sudo <command>
[05:04] <razor7> thanks
[05:04] <desrt> thezombiehunter; i don't have enough details to answer any of those questions
[05:04] <desrt> thezombiehunter; except for C which is pretty easy.. it's under "applications"
[05:04] <alie> razor7, sudo passwd root
[05:04] <alie> change the passwd ;)
[05:04] <thezombiehunter> desrt: um...link plz
[05:05] <desrt> thezombiehunter; huh?
[05:05] <desrt> http://192.168.1.1/ ?
[05:05] <thezombiehunter> deset: u said its under Applications
[05:05] <thezombiehunter> deset: i ran out of em
[05:05] <desrt> thezombiehunter; in the router config
[05:05] <ironuckles> has anyone used Cedega? (gaming under linux)
[05:05] <desrt> thezombiehunter; oh. shrug.
[05:05] <thezombiehunter> desrt: nope i ran out of port range forwarding
[05:05] <desrt> thezombiehunter; free some up?
[05:06] <desrt> thezombiehunter; consolidate some? use the misnamed "DMZ" feature?
[05:06] <thezombiehunter> desrt: no chance, as a matter of fact i need more.
[05:06] <requiem_> !repos
[05:06] <ubotu> I heard repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[05:06] <thezombiehunter> desrt: anyway im getting rid of SBLIVE24bit, so wtf do i do to get back onboard sound for linux
[05:06] <dabaR> higgling is such a cool word.
[05:06] <dabaR> u
[05:07] <thezombiehunter> dabar...i know u..
[05:07] <dabaR> I know you too.
[05:07] <thezombiehunter> lol
[05:07] <thezombiehunter> yea
[05:07] <thezombiehunter> who am i then lol
[05:07] <dabaR> You dont want me to tell you.
[05:07] <thezombiehunter> *sunrex/darksoul*
[05:07] <DekaPink> Woot... Breezy Colony 3 Live works. :D
[05:08] <dabaR> DekaPink: checked out the bootsplash?
[05:08] <james_> I just installed ubuntu, i've never used it before, what do I use for anti virus and spyware?
[05:08] <razor7> hey guys...how to disable automatic login?
[05:08] <DekaPink> dabaR, Er... It didn't have one that I noticed? :3
[05:08] <oceandead> ah ...
[05:08] <razor7> i mean gdm asking me for username and pass
[05:08] <dabaR> razor7: your gdm, the graphical login signs you in automatically?
[05:09] <oceandead> you wont get any spyware
[05:09] <razor7> yep...
[05:09] <razor7> is possible to disable this?
[05:09] <james_> what about viruses?
[05:09] <dabaR> DekaPink: search on the forums, for breezy colony 3.
[05:09] <oceandead> clamav for antivirus
[05:09] <thezombiehunter> u know i think linux is great compaired to windows...but i really wish they had more built in support...hey i got a firewall for linux today, i go on the ubuntu forums...and im attacked by tons of serious viruses..wtf is up with that
[05:09] <dabaR> razor7: yes, off course. So you want it to ask you for a user name and password?
[05:09] <requiem_> why doesn't smbfs come in the repositories ?
[05:10] <rob^> thezombiehunter, normal internet traffic
[05:10] <thezombiehunter> lol
[05:10] <dabaR> requiem_: cause you dont have the right repo enabled.
[05:10] <alie> razor7, System->administration->login screen setup
[05:10] <requiem_> dabaR, what is the file, and what is the right repo ?
[05:10] <requiem_> may I ask ?
[05:10] <requiem_> is it an official ?
[05:10] <DekaPink> So far, my only complaint is that it doesn't seem to like my mouse and refuses to make use of the wheel.
[05:11] <razor7> thanks
[05:11] <dabaR> requiem_: the file is whatever I dont know that, they have long names, aptitude search smbfs, requiem_ .
[05:11] <oceandead> xorg might not have picked it up right
[05:12] <dabaR> DekaPink: that is a complaint? it is unstable, in develoment. Also...submit a bug.
[05:12] <dabaR> DekaPink: also, check out the splash.
[05:12] <requiem_> dabaR, I use synaptic, isn't it the same thing ?
[05:13] <dabaR> requiem_: yes, it happens to be. Is the file there?
[05:13] <dabaR> smbfs.
[05:13] <dabaR> Use the search function.
[05:13] <requiem_> dabaR, nope
[05:13] <Concord_Dawn> yay
[05:13] <requiem_> I tried that
[05:13] <Concord_Dawn> netjoin!
[05:14] <oceandead> enable sroll events from wheel mouse .... (not sure what line to add to xorg.conf though)
[05:14] <oceandead> Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" ?
[05:14] <requiem_> oceandead, button "4 5"
[05:14] <dabaR> ok, well, add the repos. have you looked on the wiki about adding repos?
[05:14] <requiem_> that
[05:14] <juansebas> hello, does anyone have experience installing eclipse on ubuntu?
[05:14] <DekaPink> dabaR, not so much a complaint as an observation. ^^ Just sayin'... and I wouldn't know how to go about working the splash on the live CD. :3
[05:14] <requiem_> dabaR, sure
[05:15] <dabaR> DekaPink: neither would I, that is why I referenced the forums.
[05:15] <dabaR> requiem_: go add all repos, then update or refresh its called in synaptic, and then search, it will be there.
[05:15] <dabaR> requiem_: let me teach you one thing.
[05:16] <requiem_> dabaR, k
[05:17] <requiem_> dabaR, thanks
[05:17] <dabaR> requiem_: /msg ubotu info package name tells you whether ubuntu hass a package. try it out, /msg ubotu info smbfs. Also, your nick has to be registered, so /msg nickserv help register to learn how, if you are not registered.
[05:17] <Jack-Ho> hey
[05:17] <Jack-Ho> my cd \ dvd drives dosnet work
[05:17] <Jack-Ho> :(
[05:18] <dabaR> whats doesnt work mean?
[05:18] <Jack-Ho> i can`t use them
[05:18] <rob^> blah
[05:18] <Jack-Ho> holy cow
[05:18] <dabaR> Aha, so, you dont have hands, I take, so you can not use it? or is it something else?
[05:18] <juansebas> hey what linux version of Eclipse should I install for ubuntu?
[05:18] <morbidi> ok
[05:18] <tristanmike> what the heck
[05:18] <morbidi> back
[05:19] <dabaR> juansebas: anyone version, newest stable from their site.
[05:19] <Jack-Ho> "unable to mount volume"
[05:20] <morbidi> dabaR: it should came with the name of the repo
[05:20] <morbidi> btw, requiem here
[05:20] <Jack-Ho> "no madia in the divece"
[05:20] <juansebas> right, what I mean is that there are different versions like x86/GTK 2, x86_64/GTK 2, PPC/GTK 2, etc, I don't know which one to use
[05:20] <Concord_Dawn> juansebas, x86/GTK 2
[05:20] <juansebas> x86? I have an Athlon XP 2700
[05:20] <Concord_Dawn> most likely.
[05:21] <Concord_Dawn> yeah
[05:21] <Concord_Dawn> is it 64 bit?
[05:21] <juansebas> ok, thanks :)
[05:21] <juansebas> no, it's not
[05:21] <Concord_Dawn> yeah
[05:21] <Concord_Dawn> then x86
[05:21] <juansebas> ok
[05:21] <dabaR> morbidi: agreed,. but it did not, jsut add all of themm.
[05:21] <Jack-Ho> any one?
[05:21] <Jack-Ho> :\
[05:21] <dabaR> is there media?
[05:22] <Jack-Ho> yep
[05:22] <Jack-Ho> dvd disk
[05:22] <dabaR> does it mount in windows?
[05:22] <Jack-Ho> what do you mean?
[05:22] <dabaR> juansebas: uname -r and tell me,.
[05:23] <dabaR> Jack-Ho: does that same disk moutn in windows...
[05:23] <alie> where to get the .deb files
[05:23] <alie> for php mysql
[05:23] <dabaR> alie: there is a wiki about that.
[05:23] <Jack-Ho> its work in windows, yes
[05:23] <alie> ok
[05:25] <EasterSunshine> when did ubuntu first come out?
[05:25] <dabaR> EasterSunshine: ever visited the web site?
[05:25] <ofer0> what is ubuntu`s lates kernel ?
[05:25] <ofer0> what is ubuntu`s latest kernel ?
[05:26] <EasterSunshine> dabar: yes but i don't remember seeing it there...let me look again
[05:27] <morbidi> it seems that I have installed smbfs
[05:27] <morbidi> but he says I haven't got smbfs
[05:27] <dabaR> the latest linux kernel, that is stable
[05:27] <morbidi> what the hell
[05:27] <morbidi> ?
[05:27] <dabaR> just chill already
[05:27] <morbidi> well
[05:27] <morbidi> going to bed
[05:27] <morbidi> se ya tomorrow
[05:28] <EasterSunshine> oh snap ubuntu warty was the first release?
[05:28] <EasterSunshine> i thought it was pretty late cause it was 4.10....
[05:28] <dabaR> see ya
[05:28] <cfedde> think of ubuntu as a debian distribution.
[05:28] <dabaR> cfedde: is there a continuation?
[05:29] <robitaille> EasterSunshine: 4.10 = October 2004 (4=2004 October= 10th month of the year(
[05:29] <glick> hey how does ubuntu fair as a server?
[05:29] <Concord_Dawn> well
[05:29] <glick> has anyone tried out ubuntu in the server enviornment?
[05:29] <Concord_Dawn> yes
[05:29] <dabaR> its a linux.
[05:29] <Concord_Dawn> I'm running an IRCd, services, stats, an HTTPd, an SSHd, and a net radio daemon
[05:29] <Concord_Dawn> all on this box
[05:29] <EasterSunshine> robitaille: wow i never noticed...i thought it was actually a version number meaning it was the fourth release or something
[05:30] <juansebas> it's really good, my friend and I run a webserver on it
[05:30] <dabaR> cfedde: what did that mean?
[05:30] <Concord_Dawn> holy crap.
[05:30] <Concord_Dawn> pbuilder takes years.
[05:30] <cfedde> dabaR: i'm just making noise over hear.
[05:30] <cfedde> here even
[05:30] <dabaR> ok, well, good luck.
[05:30] <glick> im trying to learn cvs and set up a cvs server, me and my friend are working on a lot of software together and need an easy tool to work on it together
[05:31] <cfedde> but ubuntu is based on debian. I guessed that the numbering scheme was related. Apparently I was wrong.
[05:31] <EasterSunshine> glick: my friend and i
[05:31] <dabaR> cfedde: It is based in some ways. It is different in others.
[05:31] <Concord_Dawn> indeed
[05:32] <cfedde> dabaR: true.
[05:32] <jblu> hi all, can someone name a good audio editor. samples and midi?
[05:32] <EasterSunshine> jblu: rosegarden
[05:32] <Concord_Dawn> jblu, I can name one for Windows!
[05:32] <slugger> Hello
[05:32] <EasterSunshine> jblu: rosegardenmusic.org
[05:32] <slugger> I am running on Ubuntu
[05:32] <jblu> I'm on a ppc , long way from windows
[05:32] <rob^> jblu, Audacity
[05:32] <slugger> Got teamspeak working
[05:33] <dabaR> slugger: dont get tired now...with all that running.
[05:33] <jblu> thnx guys
[05:33] <rob^> np
[05:33] <EasterSunshine> jblu:whoops thats www.rosegardenmusic.com
[05:33] <slugger> ??
[05:33] <jblu> and or girls:)
[05:33] <dabaR> you are running on ubuntu, dont get tired now.
[05:33] <Concord_Dawn> jblu, it's in the repositories.
[05:33] <slugger> umm ok lame joke
[05:33] <jblu> which one?
[05:33] <dabaR> thanks!
[05:34] <rob^> jblu, just do: sudo apt-get install audacity
[05:34] <slugger> gay...
[05:34] <dabaR> lame english
[05:34] <jblu> k
[05:34] <dabaR> so...anyhow.
[05:34] <slugger> um... ok...
[05:34] <dabaR> I apologize for the offense you have taken to my joke.
[05:34] <slugger> I was offended it was just lame
[05:35] <dabaR> ok, dont let me distract you from your war games.
[05:35] <EasterSunshine> i got into linux just cause i wanted to run rosegarden
[05:35] <EasterSunshine> and it wasn't available on windows...
[05:35] <slugger> Well I have two computers sitting right in front of me, one for ubuntu and one as xp
[05:36] <juansebas> what's rosegarden?
[05:36] <rob^> jblu, you can also install rosegarden using apt-get
[05:36] <rob^> audio editor
[05:36] <EasterSunshine> juansebas: see www.rosegardenmusic.com
[05:36] <slugger> so whats up?
[05:36] <juansebas> ok
[05:37] <jblu> is it shareware? or commercial?
[05:37] <EasterSunshine> the .com makes it commercial i gues
[05:37] <dabaR> slugger, do you think you have given us a question, regarding your problem?
[05:37] <rob^> its GPLed
[05:37] <bimberi> jblu: neither, it is free
[05:37] <slugger> im confused
[05:37] <dabaR> slugger: or are you just asking whats up?
[05:37] <jblu> wow, thanks everyone
[05:37] <slugger> just whats up
[05:37] <slugger> who are you?
[05:38] <dabaR> aha, I thought it had to do with your boxes.
[05:38] <juansebas> wow, really cool
[05:38] <dabaR> computers.
[05:38] <slugger> nope but got them working right now :)
[05:39] <EasterSunshine> i burnt out a computer today
[05:39] <slugger> my friend got me to dl ubuntu and take my sis pc that she doesnt use and put ubuntu on it
[05:39] <EasterSunshine> it exploded
[05:39] <dabaR> EasterSunshine: good work.
[05:39] <zerboxx> I have a plugin for xchat that I would like to load everytime, how can I do this?
[05:40] <juansebas> hey, to install rosegarden, should I install rosegarden or rosegarden2?
[05:40] <rob^> zenrox, window->Plugins and Scripts
[05:41] <EasterSunshine> dabar: yeah, now i have to get a new motherboard. do you know what is the difference between petium 4 prescott/celeron and intel pentium 4?
[05:41] <rob^> zerboxx, window->Plugins and Scripts
[05:41] <dabaR> EasterSunshine: they can house different processors.
[05:41] <zerboxx> rob^: that just loads it this one time, or is it different from xchat->Load Plugin or Script??
[05:41] <dabaR> EasterSunshine: that question is deliberately put in an obvious way.
[05:41] <dabaR> answer.
[05:42] <dabaR> not question.
[05:42] <bimberi> juansebas: rosegarden is a dummy package with rosegarden2 as the only dependency - you can install either
[05:42] <slugger> is there any other channels
[05:42] <EasterSunshine> dabar: i have never heard the word prescott...can i take a processor from a pentium 4 and put it in a pentium 4 prescott/celeron?
[05:42] <dabaR> go read some things on the intel site.
[05:43] <dabaR> that will tell you. Prescottt is some line of a product.
[05:43] <rob^> zerboxx, no it should keep it in there.
[05:43] <rob^> oh well
[05:43] <dabaR> the compatibilities you should discuss with the seller.
[05:43] <EasterSunshine> they would charge me to talk with them...
[05:44] <calc> EasterSunshine: prescott is the newest non dual core version of the p4/celeron
[05:44] <EasterSunshine> calc: different arrangment of pins than the p4/celeron?
[05:45] <juansebas> thanks bimberi
[05:45] <calc> er there have been at least 3 different p4 pinouts
[05:45] <calc> and celeron has been used since p2 days there are many different pinouts for it
[05:45] <EasterSunshine> argh...one more thing to worry about
[05:45] <calc> afaik p4 and p4 based celerons have at least been socket 423 478 775
[05:46] <EasterSunshine> calc: is that the number of pins? cause i'm willing to count
[05:46] <jblu> I'm new so please exuse:) I have hundreds of text files withouth the .txt on them is there a way to do that in the terminal?
[05:46] <calc> yea the sockets look much different too
[05:47] <calc> you should be able to find pictures of the various sockets
[05:47] <calc> the 478 is pretty small and the chip has pins
[05:47] <jblu> I need that for the Web
[05:47] <EasterSunshine> jblue: for file in ls; do mv "$file" "$file.txt"; done <<---something like that maybe. ask someone to fix it
[05:47] <calc> 775 the chip doesn't have pins but something else, i haven't seen it before
[05:47] <calc> 423 is similar to 478 but is much larger physically
[05:47] <EasterSunshine> jblu* see my last post
[05:48] <jblu> k
[05:48] <NoHope> good nigth
[05:48] <slugger> bye
[05:48] <NoHope> s/nigth/night
[05:48] <EasterSunshine> sweet dreams
[05:48] <EasterSunshine> calc: thx
[05:48] <NoHope> ops... night == evening?
[05:48] <c0rrupt_> k
[05:48] <calc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socket_478
[05:49] <bimberi> juansebas: yw :) btw - there's also rosegarden4, which requires KDE (probably has a nicer interface)
[05:49] <EasterSunshine> wow it appears that 3.8 ghz is available...i thought the faster currently was 1.2 ghz
[05:49] <dabaR> bimberi: couldnt be muich worse...:-/
[05:50] <dabaR> jblu: have you double checked that you really need this for the web, you dont afaik.
[05:50] <calc> p4 didn't even start at that low a speed
[05:50] <calc> iirc slowest p4 was 1.3ghz
[05:50] <bimberi> dabaR: yes, i've had a look at rosegarden (but not 4) and ... well ... ewwww!
[05:50] <jblu> yes, the lines of poetry are all run together, when I add .txt the render correctly
[05:50] <calc> hmm no slowest was 1.4ghz
[05:50] <calc> back in Nov 2000
[05:51] <zerboxx> I've noticed files are created with a ~ after them. I assume these are backups, but how can I get rid of all of them?
[05:51] <EasterSunshine> calc: i have a 1.2 ghz p4 in front of me right now...
[05:52] <calc> EasterSunshine: 1.2ghz p4 or p3?
[05:52] <calc> p3's stopped around 1.2ghz
[05:52] <jblu> http://naturesimagebank.com/Literature/Verse/VariousPoems/ see the ones with text
[05:52] <calc> p3's topped out at 1.4ghz but were pretty rare that fast
[05:53] <c0rrupt_> wow awesome
[05:53] <calc> "Intel didn't want a repeat of the situation where the performance of a lower priced Celeron rivaled that of the more expensive Pentium II, so Tualatin never ran faster than 1.4 GHz, the introductory clock rate of the Pentium 4."
[05:53] <EasterSunshine> calc: pretty sure its a p4, although that seems to be inconsistent with what i'm seeing on the web....
[05:53] <juansebas> hey I just installed Eclipse, how can I set it up so when I type eclipse on the terminal it opens it, instead of having to go the directory where I uncompressed the file
[05:53] <bimberi> zerboxx: verify that "ls *~" only lists those files, then if that looks ok "rm *~"
[05:53] <EasterSunshine> this is odd...
[05:53] <calc> EasterSunshine: you may have found a rare not generally released chip
[05:53] <calc> EasterSunshine: or you just don't know what chip you actually have ;)
[05:54] <EasterSunshine> calc: or its burned down to 1.2 ghz
[05:54] <calc> i know AMD sometimes releases chips at speeds that aren't generally released
[05:54] <zerboxx> bimberi: how about systemwide, or is that just not a good idea?
[05:54] <dabaR> jblu: html is what could be used for formatting for the web...:-/...hehe, whatever...
[05:54] <calc> a p4 1.2 would be pretty slow too
[05:55] <jblu> yeah, I know, lol
[05:55] <biscuit_> When i try to configure and compile the alsa-utils source, it says that i need a curses library
[05:55] <bimberi> zerboxx: not a good idea IMO
[05:55] <jblu> but text works good
[05:55] <dabaR> juansebas: you could add its folder to the path.
[05:55] <calc> probably about equal to a p3 800mhz
[05:55] <rob^> biscuit_, you don't ned to compile alsa in ubuntu, just configure it
[05:55] <dabaR> juansebas: find out the exact directory.
[05:56] <biscuit_> I have to recompile/configure mine, alsaconf or alsamixer won't work
[05:56] <zerboxx> bimberi: heh ok they can't be taking up much space anyways, so no worries
[05:56] <juansebas> ok, I'll try that
[05:56] <rob^> biscuit_, reconfigure the packages
[05:56] <biscuit_> Tried
[05:56] <biscuit_> No luck
[05:56] <bimberi> juansebas: or you could: sudo ln -s /path/to/eclipse/executable /usr/local/bin/eclipse
[05:56] <biscuit_> So does anyone know what the curses library is?
[05:56] <rob^> biscuit_, whats the error?
[05:57] <biscuit_> For when alsamixer won't open?
[05:57] <rob^> yep
[05:57] <biscuit_> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[05:57] <EasterSunshine> calc: i am on p3 450 mhz, it runs linux just fine
[05:57] <biscuit_> It won't find alsaconf
[05:57] <biscuit_> Im on a P4 3.00 ghz with HT.... :-D
[05:58] <alie> hi i want to know in case if i dont have internet available at my installation site what is the alternative solution ?
[05:58] <dabaR> bimberi: good point.
[05:58] <alie> thanks in advance
[05:58] <oceandead> k6-2 @ 400
[05:58] <dabaR> download all packages onto a dvd.
[05:59] <biscuit_> Does anyone know where i get the curses lib at
[05:59] <rob^> biscuit_, see http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/349193
[05:59] <alie> where to download ? and how to install from cd or dvd ?
[05:59] <rob^> biscuit_, you may want to file a bug report on it
[05:59] <alie> i mean first cd is bootable and does the system installation
[06:00] <EasterSunshine> socket 754 is fat...lots of holes
[06:00] <alie> dabaR what is the way to download all the packages ?
[06:02] <steveO_Laptop> hello all anyone here running wifi radar?
[06:03] <EasterSunshine> you run a radar? cool. what can you see?
[06:03] <rob^> biscuit_, also see http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-51483.html and http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21211
[06:03] <c0rrupt_> i see planes
[06:03] <c0rrupt_> and black people...
[06:03] <satafterh> anyone here use zsnes and get sound working?
[06:05] <biscuit_> So does anyone know where to get the curses library
[06:06] <kevin06> Has anyone here used both ISPConfig and Webmin, and which would you guys recommend, and why?
[06:06] <biscuit_> !curses
[06:06] <ubotu> biscuit_: Are you on ritalin?
[06:06] <biscuit_> Oh for the love of god
[06:06] <biscuit_> !alsa
[06:06] <ubotu> alsa is, like, totally, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063, or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[06:07] <biscuit_> !libcurses
[06:07] <ubotu> biscuit_: I haven't a clue
[06:09] <bimberi> biscuit_: there is libncurses4 and libncurses5 - perhaps one of those
[06:10] <Orborde> How do I add the Breezy repositories into Synaptic? I'm trying to download kernel 2.6.12 to fix a processor problem.
[06:10] <EasterSunshine> hey does anyone know where i can get really big picutres of sdram, rdram, ddr sdram, and ddr2? i need to know which ones my motherboards use
[06:10] <EasterSunshine> orborde: in your /etc/apt/sources.list, replace hoary with breezy
[06:11] <EasterSunshine> ubotu tell Orborde about repos
[06:11] <Orborde> Thanks.
[06:13] <biscuit_> Thanks
[06:13] <DekaPink> Can xmms play flac files?
[06:13] <rob^> DekaPink, with the right plugin it can
[06:14] <c0rrupt_> it can play whatever fits in the mms hole
[06:14] <rob^> bmp is nicer
[06:14] <La_PaRCa> what does this do -> ./join #channel -s /dev/false
[06:14] <NoHope> bmp uses Alsa, it's newer and nicer sure.
[06:15] <ssdd65> how come whenever i run apt-get it can never find the package i need
[06:15] <DekaPink> Meh. I like xmms. ^^
[06:15] <kevin06> Why does the Apache package install Apach2-utils?
[06:15] <rob^> ssdd65, maybe it doesn't exist or you typed it in wrong
[06:15] <NoHope> ssdd65, try add more repositories.
[06:15] <rob^> bmp == xmms with gtk2
[06:15] <Orborde> Even Linux kernel releases are the stable ones, aren't they?
[06:15] <NoHope> and search for than before.
[06:15] <ssdd65> i have all the repositorys loaded...
[06:16] <rob^> ssdd65, try: apt-cache search <packagename>
[06:16] <gmoore> this is a really stupid question, but i'm new to linux and i'm pretty lost. i'm trying to set up proftpd and i'm confused about how to make users (not configuring the .conf file... i mean in my o/s). all ftp servers seem to function this way but i can't find a good explaination; they all assume you already know this (i guess it's a pretty 'core' thing). help? :(
[06:16] <ssdd65> ok
[06:16] <NoHope> ssdd65, what program had you tried and haven't found?
[06:16] <rob^> ssdd65, find the right name, then use apt-get to install it
[06:16] <ssdd65> mplayer
[06:16] <c0rrupt_> =-O
[06:16] <zerboxx> join #fvwm
[06:16] <NoHope> ssdd65, ah try apt-cache search or synaptic
[06:16] <cyphase> hey everyone
[06:16] <EasterSunshine> ubotu tell ssdd65 about repos
[06:16] <c0rrupt_> use command line!1
[06:17] <thezombiehunter> OK just smashed Sound Blaster LIVE 24bit, im now running my onboard sound card
[06:17] <thezombiehunter> it runs on windows
[06:17] <EasterSunshine> gmoore: do you know about adduser?
[06:17] <thezombiehunter> so is there a way to auto detect hardware again?
[06:17] <bimberi> gmoore: System -> Administration -> Users and Groups (or adduser via a terminal)
[06:17] <gmoore> EasterSunshine: i saw the command earlier, i don't know how to use it or the ramifications of it
[06:18] <thezombiehunter> btw is there a huge page about the benifts of linux and to why use linux over windows
[06:18] <thezombiehunter> im trying to get somone to join it
[06:18] <c0rrupt_> can i read it?
[06:18] <Ice9> can somebody walk me through getting 3d acceleration working on my ati radeon 9250?
[06:18] <c0rrupt_> thezombiehunter, where where
[06:18] <EasterSunshine> gmoore: try `man adduser`
[06:18] <rob^> !ati
[06:18] <ubotu> ati is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[06:18] <thezombiehunter> c0rrupt: ?
[06:18] <c0rrupt_> the page
[06:18] <c0rrupt_> why
[06:18] <c0rrupt_> linux > *
[06:18] <EasterSunshine> good night homies
[06:18] <thezombiehunter> yea
[06:18] <thezombiehunter> were the heck is a page like that
[06:19] <c0rrupt_> im asking
[06:19] <Ice9> rob I've already followed those steps
[06:19] <thezombiehunter> tryin to get somone to join linux...cant do it without page
[06:19] <rob^> Ice9, whats the problem?
[06:19] <c0rrupt_> ........
[06:19] <c0rrupt_> not nescarliy
[06:19] <c0rrupt_> yly
[06:19] <c0rrupt_> 5y3h
[06:19] <thezombiehunter> (he wants to see why its so much better)
[06:19] <Ice9> I'm still not having 3d acceleration
[06:19] <c0rrupt_> tell him
[06:19] <c0rrupt_> its more stable
[06:19] <c0rrupt_> it doesnt crash
[06:19] <thezombiehunter> nah just give me a link
[06:19] <rob^> Ice9, have you checked?
[06:19] <kevin06> thezombiehunter, Ask him if he's removed a virus, adware or spyware
[06:19] <c0rrupt_> its faster
[06:19] <c0rrupt_> its less prone to spyware and all that shit^
[06:19] <Ice9> yes
[06:20] <rob^> whats your fps in glxgears
[06:20] <kevin06> thezombiehunter, explain that all of the basic functionality of a basic user can be done for free, and legally.
[06:20] <DonL> I'm here late because it just took me about 2 and a half hours debugging my son's win98 computer. It had all kinds of adware, viruses, you name it
[06:21] <Ice9> in fullscreen, it was about 10
[06:21] <thezombiehunter> ..thats what i dont want to do, couse im bussy...thats why i want a freekin page
[06:21] <rob^> heh.. "debugging"
[06:21] <kevin06> thezombiehunter, Honeslty, I'm not sure there is a SINGLE page explaining ALL of the benefits over Windows...
[06:21] <rob^> Ice9, non-full screen?
[06:21] <Ice9> 350s
[06:21] <c0rrupt_> linux sucks
[06:21] <DonL> rob^, the rest of my family is still locked into that system because it's no problem for them... they have someone who will fix it
[06:21] <c0rrupt_> thats why i use it
[06:21] <rob^> kevin06, there is, feel free to work on it
[06:22] <thezombiehunter> linux sucks on game support and a few other things
[06:22] <thezombiehunter> other then that it rocks
[06:22] <Luna-Tick> In a lot of ways, Linux does suck
[06:22] <c0rrupt_> cedega*
[06:22] <c0rrupt_> linux
[06:22] <c0rrupt_> isnt ready
[06:22] <rob^> DonL, nah I was just laughing at your use of "debugging"
[06:22] <c0rrupt_> for normal use
[06:22] <c0rrupt_> in the near feauture
[06:22] <c0rrupt_> it will be
[06:22] <thezombiehunter> i know
[06:22] <DonL> rob^, yes, I know. lol
[06:22] <thezombiehunter> so how do i get linux to autodetect my sound
[06:22] <thezombiehunter> i just got rid of my sound card
[06:23] <Luna-Tick> but the way that I look at it, I 'own' Linux, when I use Windows I am building up an asset for MS to charge me more for in the future
[06:23] <thezombiehunter> so i want to use the built in sound card
[06:23] <kevin06> rob^, huh? I think I missed something.
[06:23] <DonL> kevin06, me too
[06:23] <rob^> kentaur, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome
[06:23] <thezombiehunter> can anyone help me
[06:23] <DonL> oh. no. I see it now
[06:23] <rob^> kevin06, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome
[06:23] <rob^> oops
[06:24] <Ice9> rob^ I get 350s in non full screen
[06:24] <rob^> hmm
[06:24] <c0rrupt_> <///3 lag
[06:24] <c0rrupt_> nessus owns my connection
[06:24] <rob^> Ice9, did you follow the Hoary Hedgehog instructions?
[06:24] <Ice9> yes
[06:25] <rob^> Ice9, have you rebooted?
[06:25] <DonL> thezombiehunter, you're looking at two different systems. They have different plusses and minuses. I prefer Linux personally, and I'll deal with the game thing as it comes
[06:25] <Ice9> millions of times
[06:25] <rob^> echo fglrx | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[06:25] <rob^> *
[06:25] <rob^> <-- what does this output?
[06:25] <thezombiehunter> Donl: i know all this, i just want a page so somone i know can read it and i hope switch to linux
[06:25] <Luna-Tick> Fair call DonL - for nearly everything that I use, Linux is better.
[06:26] <c0rrupt_> n #whax
[06:26] <c0rrupt_> woops
[06:26] <thezombiehunter> IS there a page?
[06:26] <Ice9> rob^ it says fglrx
[06:26] <Luna-Tick> *sigh*
[06:26] <factotum> yeah, most of what i work with at work is MS, need a break when im at home
[06:26] <skapple> what program would i use to read newsgroups in ubuntu?
[06:26] <DonL> thezombiehunter, the best way to turn someone off of something is to try too hard to convince them. Linux is something people come to, something not sold to people
[06:26] <rob^> Ice9, have you tried sudo depmod -a ; sudo modprobe fglrx
[06:26] <c0rrupt_> [email protected]
[06:26] <nlghtcrawler> how do you install mplayer
[06:26] <nlghtcrawler> and install ALL the codecs for it?
[06:26] <c0rrupt_> apt-get install mplayer
[06:26] <rob^> !mplayer
[06:26] <ubotu> rob^: Bugger all, i dunno
[06:27] <c0rrupt_> apt-get install w32codecs
[06:27] <factotum> skapple, Pan isnt bad to start with
[06:27] <Ice9> yes
[06:27] <c0rrupt_> and
[06:27] <c0rrupt_> some others
[06:27] <c0rrupt_> =P
[06:27] <gmoore> okay i'm adding users through gnome for easiness... for 'group' and 'home dir', since i want them to be ONLY ftp users, what should i set those to? i already set shell to bin/false
[06:27] <skapple> alright, i will start with pan
[06:27] <thezombiehunter> Donl: i KNOW that i just simply want him to read the good and bad sides so he knows what to use and everything
[06:27] <rob^> !mplayer-686
[06:27] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, rob^
[06:27] <rob^> stupid bot
[06:27] <c0rrupt_> !mplayer
[06:27] <ubotu> c0rrupt_: I don't know, could you explain it?
[06:27] <c0rrupt_> ..
[06:27] <rob^> the package name is mplayer-686
[06:28] <bimberi> !info mplayer-686
[06:28] <ubotu> mplayer-686: (transitional dummy package which can be safely removed), section multiverse/graphics, is extra. Version: 1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6 (hoary), Packaged size: 54 kB, Installed size: 96 kB
[06:28] <DonL> Well, maybe you could write something yourself, or point them to Ubuntu's main site. That explains a lot I think
[06:28] <rob^> or you can do -586 etc
[06:28] <bimberi> !info mplayer-586
[06:28] <ubotu> mplayer-586: (The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux), section multiverse/graphics, is extra. Version: 1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6 (hoary), Packaged size: 3486 kB, Installed size: 7508 kB
[06:28] <thezombiehunter> *sigh* need help on sound again
[06:28] <thezombiehunter> it souldent be to hard
[06:28] <rob^> there you go
[06:28] <thezombiehunter> i just need the system to find the sound card on the motherboard
[06:28] <thezombiehunter> its not soundblaster 24bit i just got rid of it
[06:28] <c0rrupt_> mplayer can be installed by running apt-get install mplayer, you also need to install codecs. plugins are also used in applications such as mozilla firefox
[06:28] <c0rrupt_> !mplayer
[06:28] <ubotu> c0rrupt_: Do they come in packets of five?
[06:28] <c0rrupt_> bleh
[06:29] <c0rrupt_> erp
[06:29] <DonL> thezombiehunter, was sound working with SB?
[06:29] <thezombiehunter> were is this thing called Nvu
[06:29] <thezombiehunter> only on windows
[06:29] <Ice9> is there no hope for me?
[06:29] <DonL> What is the on board sound, do you know?
[06:29] <thezombiehunter> i trashed it couse not only would it not work here, but the damn mic on BOTH windows and here was just not working
[06:29] <thezombiehunter> no i dont
[06:29] <thezombiehunter> it works on windows thou
[06:29] <bimberi> ubotu howcome is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome
[06:29] <ubotu> bimberi: okay
[06:29] <Luna-Tick> http://linux.about.com/od/embedded/l/blnewbie_0toc.htm
[06:29] <Luna-Tick> http://www.faqs.org/docs/lnag/lnag_benefits.html
[06:29] <Luna-Tick> http://linux-newbie.sunsite.dk/index.html
[06:30] <c0rrupt_> ubotu, mplayer is mplayer can be installed by running apt-get install mplayer, you also need to install codecs. plugins are also used in applications such as mozilla firefox
[06:30] <ubotu> c0rrupt_: what are you talking about?
[06:30] <c0rrupt_> mplayer
[06:30] <Luna-Tick> They were the top results when googling for 'linux benefits'
[06:30] <c0rrupt_> you fool
[06:30] <rob^> Ice9, what does "lsmod fglrx" say?
[06:30] <bimberi> c0rrupt_: lose the comma
[06:30] <c0rrupt_> yes
[06:30] <c0rrupt_> i noticed
[06:30] <gmoore> anyone know? i'm adding users for FTP access only through gnome user manager... for 'group' and 'home dir', since i want them to be ONLY ftp users, what should i set those to? i already set shell to bin/false
[06:30] <c0rrupt_> ubotu mplayer is mplayer can be installed by running apt-get install mplayer, you also need to install codecs. plugins are also used in applications such as mozilla firefox
[06:30] <ubotu> I think you lost me on that one, c0rrupt_
[06:30] <Ice9> rob^ Usage: lsmod
[06:30] <c0rrupt_> lol
[06:30] <c0rrupt_> i dont he likes
[06:30] <ssdd65> im trying to install mplayer as well but apt-get dosnt work...
[06:31] <c0rrupt_> mplayer is mplayer
[06:31] <c0rrupt_> it should..
[06:31] <c0rrupt_> are you root?
[06:31] <bimberi> huh
[06:31] <rob^> Ice9, what does "lsmod |grep fglrx" say?
[06:31] <c0rrupt_> use sudo
[06:31] <ssdd65> yes
[06:31] <ssdd65> i did
[06:31] <rob^> forgot the grep
[06:31] <c0rrupt_> whats it say
[06:31] <ssdd65> it just said package not found
[06:31] <thezombiehunter> can anyone just tell me how to auto detect it couse last time i installed linux it did detect it on install and it worked, so how do i do that again
[06:31] <thezombiehunter> whats the sudo command
[06:31] <Ice9> rob^ fglrx 229568 0
[06:31] <rob^> well its loaded
[06:31] <DonL> thezombiehunter, reboot?
[06:31] <thezombiehunter> did lol
[06:32] <thezombiehunter> Donl: its simply needs to detect the card, thats all.
[06:32] <factotum> ugh, just got a new monitor, what do I do to reconfig it? dpkg reconfig xserver xorg something something?? cant remember
[06:32] <rob^> Ice9, have you edited your /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[06:32] <bimberi> factotum: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:32] <factotum> ah yes, thanks
[06:32] <bimberi> yw :)
[06:32] <Ice9> um
[06:33] <DonL> thezombiehunter, I had problems with the onboard system I had, but I put a SB live card in and it fixed it. Probably could have made the other work if I'd tried harder
[06:33] <Ice9> rob^ how do I do that?
[06:33] <rob^> Ice9, sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:33] <thezombiehunter> Donl: common plz im running Kubuntu if that helps, oh and donl its not just the card not working that pissed me off but my mic wouldent work on it either
[06:33] <lui> hello hello hello
[06:33] <c0rrupt_> HI2U
[06:33] <Ice9> rob^ okay
[06:34] <DonL> thezombiehunter, are the volumes turned up? I know that sounds stupid, but I've done that myself a few times
[06:34] <rob^> Ice9, you need to change "ati" to "fglrx"
[06:34] <lui> if I want to install the xfce in my ubuntu which one is the package I have to apt-get
[06:34] <lui> ?
[06:35] <thezombiehunter> Donl: yea yea and yea...wait ill go check alsamixer
[06:35] <Luna-Tick> Guys, I have a wired and wireless network, both of which work. I very seldom have the wired network connected so it is only the wireless that I am wanting to connect. Every time that I start it up it sits on the 'configuring network interfaces' for a very long time. I imagine that this could be because it is trying to find the wired network and timing out before moving on. Any suggestions?
[06:35] <rob^> Ice9, or alternatively you can just do "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and select fglrx
[06:35] <bimberi> lui: there is a "xfce" package but you probably want "xfce4"
[06:36] <thezombiehunter> donl: yea thats all on
[06:36] <Ice9> rob^ okay, I have
[06:36] <rob^> Ice9, then reboot
[06:36] <HrdwrBoB> Luna-Tick: disable the wired network in netwok settings
[06:36] <Luna-Tick> Just through the menus?
[06:36] <Ice9> okay, hopefully that was the trick, but I did that reconfigure of xserver-xorg before
[06:37] <thezombiehunter> ..
[06:37] <thezombiehunter> OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
[06:37] <lui> bimberi: yep, I want the xfce4 but what package I should choose?
[06:37] <DonL> thezombiehunter, can you beg borrow or steal another sb card? That was my fix, I don't know about you.
[06:37] <thezombiehunter> FFFFUUUU....AAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
[06:37] <glick> cvs seems nice enough
[06:37] <thezombiehunter> MY POOOORRR EEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
[06:37] <Luna-Tick> Hrdwrebob: will that persist through restarts?
[06:37] <bimberi> lui: xfce4
[06:37] <thezombiehunter> FREEKING AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
[06:38] <HrdwrBoB> Luna-Tick: yes
[06:38] <thezombiehunter> DAMNIT TO LOUD TO LOUD
[06:38] <oceandead> um
[06:38] <DonL> thezombiehunter, so you got it working?
[06:38] <thezombiehunter> NO KIDDING IM DEATH
[06:39] <lui> bimberi: thanks
[06:39] <bimberi> DonL: lol
[06:39] <bimberi> lui: yw :)
[06:39] <thezombiehunter> anyway i turned up the headphone thing and OUCH
[06:39] <biscuit__> Hello all, i finally got alsaconf to work, but when it scans for soundcards, it brings up 3 different ones.. which do i pick?
[06:39] <DonL> lol
[06:39] <thezombiehunter> anyway i need the multimeda codecs now
[06:39] <biscuit__> thezombiehunter: You finally got sound to work?
[06:40] <thezombiehunter> i put the headphone thing to max and like...vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvveeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr came out so i guess its transmitting now
[06:41] <thezombiehunter> is there a way to see if the sound really works, and the codecs work
[06:41] <thezombiehunter> like a bell sound
[06:41] <biscuit__> Ummm
[06:41] <Belutz> what's the different between playback and capture in volume control?
[06:41] <biscuit__> Gnome can be setto make noises
[06:41] <lui> bimberi: you have xfce4 or have you tested?
[06:41] <thezombiehunter> im on kubuntu
[06:41] <biscuit__> KDE probally can too
[06:41] <oceandead> capture = recording
[06:41] <bimberi> lui: no - but i've seen others given the same advice
[06:41] <biscuit__> Try an audio cd
[06:41] <oceandead> incoming
[06:41] <Belutz> ic
[06:41] <oceandead> whatever
[06:41] <thezombiehunter> k
[06:42] <biscuit__> My Volume Control won't even open :-(
[06:42] <bimberi> lui: ... and noone else was answering your question :)
[06:43] <Orborde> I need help. I downloaded the linux-image-2.6.12-6-amd64-generic package from the breezy repositories, as recommended by http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=228793&postcount=2 and now I'm getting "/dev/hda2 does not exist! Dropping to a shell..." early in bootup when I boot that kernel version.
[06:44] <thezombiehunter> damnit why cant the cd just run without having to upload to my computer
[06:44] <Razor-X> Orborde: do you have an AMD64?
[06:44] <nlghtcrawler> how do u get a gui for mplayer/
[06:44] <jbull> !mplayer
[06:44] <ubotu> jbull: Are you on ritalin?
[06:45] <Orborde> Razor-X, Yes; I'm not quite THAT silly.
[06:45] <Belutz> which one is better, totem-gstreamer or totem-xine ?
[06:45] <Razor-X> nlghtcrawler: I think you can use gmplayer, but i'm not sure, I don't use a GUI
[06:45] <lui> bimberi: I have a question... you know, in windows you install to check a software the you don't like it and decide to uninstall it but a lot of files you don't need keeps into your system and your registry turns little by little in a mess. Can that type of things happen in linux?
[06:45] <Razor-X> Orborde: meh
[06:45] <Razor-X> Orborde: what's the output of ``uname -r'' ?
[06:45] <Razor-X> errr, nevermind
[06:45] <Razor-X> do other kernels work?
[06:46] <Orborde> Razor-X, Yes, I'm running 2.6.10 right now.
[06:46] <Razor-X> lui: there's no concept of a registry in Linux
[06:46] <Razor-X> Orborde: have you tried redownloading the kernel?
[06:46] <Orborde> Razor-X, That may be a good idea. I have not.
[06:47] <Razor-X> Orborde: lemme see your GRUB's menu.lst
[06:47] <nlghtcrawler> how would u get it without getting gmplayer
[06:47] <thezombiehunter> ..
[06:47] <NatureTruth> i am using ubutu hoary. And I wanna know if there's a way I can change my mouse cursor.
[06:47] <nlghtcrawler> get a gui for mplayer
[06:47] <Razor-X> nlghtcrawler: no clue
[06:47] <thezombiehunter> u hear it
[06:47] <bimberi> lui: yes it can but for debian based distributions (such as ubuntu) there is a program called debfoster which helps you to clean up that sort of cruft
[06:47] <c0rrupt_> what port scanner do you guys use with nessus?
[06:47] <biscuit__> I did alsaconf, but alsamixer still won't open
[06:47] <thezombiehunter> how do i turn up volum
[06:47] <Dr_Willis> NatureTruth, yes you can. its a feature of the gnome window manager. check for gnome themes sites for cursor themes I think.
[06:47] <kevin06> I have heard a rumour from guyys using other distros that Ubuntu will begin charging for access to the repositories. ANY truth atr ALL to this?
[06:47] <Orborde> Razor-X, Well, I just found the linux-amd64-generic package on breezy and installed it, too. Might that help?
[06:47] <Razor-X> nlghtcrawler: as in, opening it in another window, or something with menus and stuff?
[06:47] <Razor-X> c0rrupt_: nmap is barnone :)
[06:47] <thezombiehunter> nvm
[06:48] <thezombiehunter> Donl: thks
[06:48] <jbull> kevin06: none whatsoever.
[06:48] <c0rrupt_> i use nmap..
[06:48] <c0rrupt_> but for some reason
[06:48] <Razor-X> Orborde: ......... you're using Breezy?
[06:48] <bimberi> kevin06: no
[06:48] <lui> Razor-X: so nothing like a registry, that's good! But, if I choose "apt-get remove xfce4" it removes all the relatives?
[06:48] <c0rrupt_> nessus isnt adding it to the scanners
[06:48] <c0rrupt_> it is installed though
[06:48] <biscuit__> thezombiehunter: How do you turn i up?
[06:48] <c0rrupt_> but i think i installed it after i installed nessusd
[06:48] <DonL> thezombiehunter, you're welcome. Glad to help
[06:48] <Razor-X> kevin06: who said that?
[06:48] <c0rrupt_> would that be the reason why?
[06:48] <thezombiehunter> i turned it up by the headphones
[06:48] <c0rrupt_> and if so,
[06:48] <Razor-X> lui: apt-get doesen't (because it's not advanced enough), aptitude does :)
[06:48] <c0rrupt_> can i add it?
[06:48] <kevin06> Razor-X, Some guys I know who run Mepis.
[06:48] <Orborde> Razor-X, No, I'm using hoary, but was instructed by http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=228793&postcount=2 to update the kernel to fix the problem that thread is about.
[06:49] <biscuit__> Grr my system volume is mute bydefault
[06:49] <oceandead> from synaptic just right click on it and choose "mark for complete removal"
[06:49] <biscuit__> How doi turn it up
[06:49] <c0rrupt_> Razor-X, ?
[06:49] <c0rrupt_> its instaled but not in the list
[06:49] <Razor-X> kevin06: they've very wrong
[06:49] <c0rrupt_> can i add it somehow?
[06:49] <thezombiehunter> go to ur speaker...at the bottom of taskbar
[06:49] <thezombiehunter> and turn up all
[06:49] <Orborde> Razor-X, Where is menu.lst?
[06:49] <thezombiehunter> Danl: A. how can i play DVDS B. how do i get 3d acelleration
[06:49] <NatureTruth> Dr_Willis: how do I change the cursor?
[06:49] <Razor-X> c0rrupt_: hmmmm, can't you specify the scanner manually?
[06:49] <biscuit__> I don't see a speaker :-(
[06:50] <lui> kevin06: ubuntu will ALWAYS be free of charge, they say
[06:50] <Razor-X> Orborde: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:50] <c0rrupt_> ?
[06:50] <nlghtcrawler> a interface where i can click my mouse instead of the terminal
[06:50] <c0rrupt_> i dunno
[06:50] <thezombiehunter> it WILL always be free of charge
[06:50] <c0rrupt_> its not in the list
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> NatureTruth, in the past - ive downloaded some cursor themes from some of the gnome-theme sites.
[06:50] <lui> Razor-X: ok thanks!
[06:50] <kevin06> lui, I know that, it is one of the core things about Ubuntu... But, things do change, and ALWAYS might not be as long as people thing sometimes. That's why I'm askin'
[06:50] <Razor-X> nlghtcrawler: I use one where I use the keyboard, but it has no buttons or menus, or whatever
[06:50] <DonL> thezombiehunter, go to the Ubuntu site and check out the wiki and the help stuff. It's all there
[06:51] <thezombiehunter> Donl: what do i need to get thou...to many things
[06:51] <Razor-X> nlghtcrawler: it's a limited GUI, because I don't want it to use my Terminal to play videos
[06:51] <Razor-X> but, I compiled mine in so.... *shrugs*
[06:51] <biscuit__> ifyor trying to play a dvd, libdvdcss would be a start
[06:51] <Orborde> Razor-X, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1381
[06:51] <DonL> thezombiehunter, it's been a while since I've done it. But that's where I found the answers
[06:51] <thezombiehunter> damn im happy i got rid of sound blaster 24 bit now
[06:51] <NatureTruth> Dr_Willis: how do I change the cursor? I've read some tutorials but it doesnt seem to apply in ubuntu.
[06:51] <rock4f3lla> hi
[06:51] <biscuit__> Why thezombiehunter
[06:52] <rock4f3lla> i'm a newbie.
[06:52] <biscuit__> I can install it on mine
[06:52] <lui> kevin06: then, if things go that way maybe ubuntu will be ashes very soon
[06:52] <Razor-X> kevin06: I don't think the licenses of a majority of the packages Ubuntu uses would allow you to pay for entry to the repositories
[06:52] <thezombiehunter> my sound blaster would NOT let me use sound
[06:52] <rock4f3lla> why ubuntu n not somethin' else??
[06:52] <thezombiehunter> and it would NOT run my mic
[06:52] <c0rrupt_> Razor-X, is there a way i can add nmap
[06:52] <c0rrupt_> without re-installing
[06:52] <biscuit__> At least you have sound
[06:52] <biscuit__> Lol
[06:52] <kevin06> anyone know where I can get libdvdcss, since it has vanished from every place I use.
[06:52] <biscuit__> I can't get mine to open
[06:52] <biscuit__> Oh
[06:52] <thezombiehunter> i got rid of it about 25 mins ago got sound in 15 mins
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> NatureTruth, i belive you can use the gnome theme insaller and it will do whats needed.. check http://www.gnome-look.org - i havent messed with it in over a year.
[06:52] <biscuit__> kevin06.. ummmmm
[06:52] <thezombiehunter> AFTER soundblaster
[06:52] <biscuit__> Google it
[06:52] <biscuit__> I mite have it
[06:52] <tristanmike> rock4f3lla: casue it's the best! :)
[06:52] <biscuit__> But i have dialup
[06:52] <c0rrupt_> hmm
[06:52] <biscuit__> And don't really wanna send it
[06:53] <c0rrupt_> will update-plugins add it?
[06:53] <thezombiehunter> iv been trying to get soundblaster to work on linux/kubutu/ubuntu never worked and its been months
[06:53] <kevin06> biscuit__, LOL
[06:53] <biscuit__> kevin06, do you happen to have integrated audio in your linux box
[06:53] <DonL> thezombiehunter, it's the only card I've found that works all the time for me
[06:53] <thezombiehunter> Donl sucks to be u lol
[06:53] <Razor-X> Orborde: you have one odd sources.list
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> I got a Audigy2
[06:53] <Razor-X> c0rrupt_: not sure, sorry
[06:54] <thezombiehunter> btw do i need to rip the dvds to play it?
[06:54] <c0rrupt_> bleh
[06:54] <c0rrupt_> thanks anyways
[06:54] <Razor-X> Orborde: errr, menu.lst
[06:54] <oceandead> people need to stop buying products from creative
[06:54] <biscuit__> Does anyone have Intel/Realtek Integrated audio that have gotten it to work in ubuntu
[06:54] <kevin06> biscuit__, I do, but it didn't work for me at ALL, no sound whatsoever. Why do you ask?
[06:54] <Orborde> Razor-X, How so?
[06:54] <Razor-X> Orborde: can I see the contents of /boot?
[06:54] <biscuit__> Oh
[06:54] <biscuit__> I can't get mine to work
[06:54] <Dr_Willis> NatureTruth, check ---> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Beautify_GNOME
[06:54] <biscuit__> I got it configured
[06:54] <biscuit__> But i can't change the volume
[06:54] <thezombiehunter> Do i need to RIP the dvds to get em to play
[06:54] <biscuit__> No
[06:54] <thezombiehunter> btw im talking about movies
[06:55] <biscuit__> thezombiehunter: You need the libdvdcss
[06:55] <thezombiehunter> couse whenever i try tp rim em its all fuzzy
[06:55] <biscuit__> I don't think its in the repos anymore
[06:55] <biscuit__> But i wouldn't trust me
[06:55] <Orborde> Razor-X, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1382
[06:55] <kevin06> biscuit__, you have ALSA and that didn't work. Did you unmute everytthing? Have you tried polyaudio? And if yes to all of this, how important is sound. Do you want basics, or do you want like 6.1 channel surround?
[06:55] <Razor-X> !info libdvdcss
[06:55] <thezombiehunter> Biscuit can u give me link
[06:55] <biscuit__> polyaudio
[06:55] <jbull> kevin06: libdvdcss is in backports, afaik
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> NatureTruth, doh - thats a gentoo info site. :P my bad.. but it may have some info to get you going.
[06:55] <thezombiehunter> !info livedvdcss
[06:55] <biscuit__> thezombiehunter: I have it
[06:56] <biscuit__> But not sure where i got it
[06:56] <DonL> I'm off for the night. See you later.
[06:56] <thezombiehunter> can ya give it to me
[06:56] <tristanmike> I have it
[06:56] <biscuit__> Ummmmm
[06:56] <Razor-X> !info libdvdcss2
[06:56] <Razor-X> hah
[06:56] <biscuit__> Someone give it to him that has somthing faster than 56 k
[06:56] <biscuit__> Lol
[06:56] <thezombiehunter> !info libdvdcss2
[06:56] <tristanmike> thezombiehunter, do a search in synaptic
[06:56] <thezombiehunter> in what
[06:56] <rob^> Razor-X, its not in any of the repos,
[06:56] <biscuit__> tristanmike: I don't think is there anymore
[06:56] <rob^> it never was
[06:56] <tristanmike> I have it
[06:56] <rob^> yes
[06:56] <biscuit__> I do too
[06:56] <thezombiehunter> i have Kubuntu
[06:56] <biscuit__> Google it
[06:56] <Razor-X> rob^: oh, meh
[06:57] <rob^> it was in an unofficial repo
[06:57] <Razor-X> I never needed libdvdcss2 because.... I don't have a DVD player
[06:57] <kevin06> biscuit__, For me, I only need 2.1 channel sound, for IM sounds, OGG music and occasional video. My solution was to go to a local computer shop and buy a no-name sound card for $4, and I had sound.
[06:57] <rob^> ubotu just does the official ones
[06:57] <ubotu> rob^: I give up, what is it?
[06:57] <biscuit__> :-P
[06:57] <biscuit__> What is polyaudio
[06:57] <kevin06> jbull, Backports? A repository I assume? What is that repo called?
[06:57] <tristanmike> biscuit__, what am I to google?
[06:57] <kevin06> biscuit__, A different sound handler
[06:58] <biscuit__> Can you give me a URL
[06:58] <Razor-X> don't ask me for a particular repo, I have a 64 line sources.list
[06:58] <Razor-X> err,r more than 64
[06:58] <Razor-X> s/,r/r/
[06:58] <Dr_Willis> lol
[06:58] <Razor-X> and, just like my code, I don't comment a thing
[06:58] <jbull> kevin06: http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/
[06:59] <Razor-X> backports are official now
[06:59] <Razor-X> !backports
[06:59] <ubotu> backports are applications with newer versions on a stable distributions. Ubuntu backports can be found in the hoary-backports section
[06:59] <Razor-X> what, grrrr
[06:59] <jbull> precisely
[06:59] <Razor-X> someone changed ubotu's backports
[06:59] <thezombiehunter> do i get the DEB/RPM/TAR.GZ/TAR.BZ2 or what?
[06:59] <thezombiehunter> deb right
[06:59] <Razor-X> thezombiehunter: for what?
[06:59] <tgnb> is "breezy" a different repository or something that i need to enable to get newer fglrx drivers?
[06:59] <tristanmike> biscuit__, you said for me to google libdvdcss what am I looking for??
[07:00] <thezombiehunter> the libdvdcss
[07:00] <biscuit__> Its a package
[07:00] <Razor-X> tgnb: Breezy is the next distribution, it's broken now though
[07:00] <thezombiehunter> http://download.videolan.org/pub/libdvdcss/1.2.9/
[07:00] <biscuit__> That plays dvds
[07:00] <biscuit__> I think
[07:00] <thezombiehunter> i know
[07:00] <thezombiehunter> but theres diff ones
[07:00] <jbull> Breezy's not that broken atm
[07:00] <Razor-X> thezombiehunter: it's a library package that tells applications how to use the dvd
[07:00] <tristanmike> biscuit__, yes, but it's included in the backports
[07:00] <thezombiehunter> i know
[07:00] <Razor-X> thezombiehunter: add bacports
[07:00] <Razor-X> s/ac/ack/
[07:01] <tristanmike> thezombiehunter: vlc can be installed via apt-get/synaptic
[07:01] <Orborde> Razor-X, Any cleverness?
[07:01] <Razor-X> Orborde: can I see your /boot ?
[07:01] <tgnb> Razor-X i am reading a howto on install binary ati drivers. i followed the guide but i'm having a problem. i am pretty sure it has to do with the old version of the drivers
[07:02] <Orborde> Razor-X, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1382
[07:02] <gmoore> i'm trying to set up proftpd and i made a new user. he can't connect and the log error is "Limit access denies login". what does that mean? the docs dont mention it
[07:02] <Razor-X> Orborde: cool
[07:02] <c0rrupt_> Razor-X, what type of scan do you use for nmap nessus
[07:02] <c0rrupt_> syn?
[07:02] <Razor-X> c0rrupt_: SYN Stealth generally
[07:02] <rock4f3lla> yeah,
[07:02] <rock4f3lla> but why issit da best?
[07:02] <c0rrupt_> nessus built in scanner sucks
[07:03] <Razor-X> if I wanna risk a Buffer Overflow, I just connect scan, but I do that to the machines on my LAN
[07:03] <c0rrupt_> its too slow
[07:03] <Razor-X> rock4f3lla: read the manpage
[07:03] <tgnb> the howto said something about driver version 8.12.10 being available in breezy.. can i install the newest drivers 8.14.something via the apt-get or do i have to somehow manually install them
[07:03] <c0rrupt_> yea it lags me out pretty bad
[07:03] <c0rrupt_> scanning wan
[07:03] <c0rrupt_> tcp
[07:03] <c0rrupt_> connect()
[07:03] <rock4f3lla> manpage?
[07:03] <tristanmike> biscuit__, how did you learn that libdvdcss was taken out?
[07:04] <rock4f3lla> ...
[07:04] <Razor-X> Orborde: did you edit your own menu.lst?
[07:04] <rock4f3lla> manpage?
[07:04] <Razor-X> rock4f3lla: .................
[07:04] <Razor-X> yes, manpage
[07:04] <rock4f3lla> whats better in ubuntu compared to fedora?
[07:04] <oceandead> man nmap
[07:04] <rock4f3lla> or windows?
[07:04] <Razor-X> or, M-x man RET nmap :)
[07:04] <biscuit__> I've never heard of backports
[07:04] <rock4f3lla> it dosent detect my ntfs hdd,
[07:04] <Razor-X> !backports
[07:04] <ubotu> backports are applications with newer versions on a stable distributions. Ubuntu backports can be found in the hoary-backports section
[07:04] <jbull> rock4f3lla: the manpages
[07:04] <c0rrupt_> ?
[07:04] <Orborde> Razor-X, Only as specified in that forum post I sent you.
[07:04] <rock4f3lla> how am i even supposed to network?
[07:05] <c0rrupt_> o.0
[07:05] <c0rrupt_> 0.o
[07:05] <c0rrupt_> o.0
[07:05] <rock4f3lla> WHAT"S MANPAGGE??
[07:05] <c0rrupt_> its leetskeet
[07:05] <End3r> lol
[07:05] <Orborde> Razor-X, Though I'm looking at it now and the change appears to have disappeared.
[07:05] <jbull> lol
[07:05] <Razor-X> Orborde: but, after you downloadeded the package, did the topic ask you to modify anything?
[07:05] <oceandead> its basically a help page but more info
[07:05] <tgnb> man page is the "manual" for a given command
[07:05] <rock4f3lla> yeah.
[07:05] <rock4f3lla> but where do i go?
[07:05] <Razor-X> Orborde: ahhh, I see
[07:05] <tgnb> type man man
[07:05] <End3r> where the bloody hell are my headphones? =[
[07:05] <rock4f3lla> and why do i have to lok at it to compare distros?
[07:05] <rock4f3lla> man
[07:05] <tgnb> or man yourcommand
[07:05] <Razor-X> rock4f3lla: man foo
[07:05] <rock4f3lla> -.-
[07:05] <Razor-X> where foo is the command
[07:05] <rock4f3lla> ..
[07:05] <Razor-X> the most basic UNIX command :)
[07:05] <tgnb> you dont have to look at it to compare distros
[07:06] <rock4f3lla> i dunt wonna learn about commands.
[07:06] <Razor-X> rock4f3lla: there's only one directory here, bub :)
[07:06] <rock4f3lla> i want to compare distros.
[07:06] <tgnb> then linux is not for you :)
[07:06] <rock4f3lla> but i lik eit.
[07:06] <Razor-X> I live in the command line
[07:06] <Razor-X> mmmmmmm
[07:06] <rock4f3lla> i wonna support it as well.
[07:06] <rock4f3lla> but
[07:06] <tgnb> you like it but you dont want to learn about commands.... um ok
[07:06] <tgnb> whatever
[07:06] <Orborde> Razor-X, Has your amazing genius found the problem, or did you find what I did at http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=228793&postcount=2 ?
[07:06] <rock4f3lla> so far..i havent tried much, ubuntu, knoppix, yoper, mepis
[07:06] <Luna-Tick> tgnb: come on
[07:06] <rock4f3lla> but,
[07:06] <oceandead> is there a happy medium?
[07:06] <rock4f3lla> they lack one thing or another.
[07:06] <Luna-Tick> The whole point of Ubuntu is for people who don't want to live in the command prompt
[07:06] <tgnb> i was trying to help him :)
[07:07] <rock4f3lla> mepis takes too long to load.
[07:07] <Razor-X> Orborde: first of all, whatever that topic told you to do, you don't have to do it
[07:07] <rock4f3lla> and ubuntu doesnt' detect ntfs.
[07:07] <rock4f3lla> knoppix dosent detect usb
[07:07] <Razor-X> all you have to do is apt-get/aptitude install, or synaptic install it
[07:07] <gmoore> how would i link something in /usr/bin? i have a binary called "irb1.8". how could i create a link to it from "irb"?
[07:07] <rock4f3lla> wth.
[07:07] <super_spy> hi all
[07:07] <Razor-X> rock4f3lla: it detects ntfs
[07:07] <rock4f3lla> isn't there something as user friendly as windows?
[07:07] <Razor-X> gmoore: annoying no?
[07:07] <rock4f3lla> it doesnt'.
[07:07] <Orborde> Razor-X, Okay. What do I do instead?
[07:07] <super_spy> how to install xmms on my ubunt ?
[07:07] <tgnb> he asked what a manpage is and why he has to read them to compare distros. i gave clear answers :)
[07:07] <rock4f3lla> ma hdd was crashed.
[07:07] <Razor-X> gmoore: either create an alias, or a symlink
[07:07] <Luna-Tick> Rock: Ubuntu is getting there but is new, Mandrake is pretty good
[07:07] <rock4f3lla> and all it said was boot sector spoilked, and knoppix still detected it.
[07:07] <oceandead> os x
[07:07] <Luna-Tick> for real beginners
[07:07] <gmoore> Razor-X: which would be better for this? :)
[07:07] <Razor-X> Orborde: sudo aptitude install linux-blah, where blah is the version you want
[07:08] <Luna-Tick> (like me...)
[07:08] <rock4f3lla> os x.
[07:08] <rock4f3lla> on an intel chipset?
[07:08] <Razor-X> gmoore: unless you're using some application that depends on the binary ``irb'' existing, an alias
[07:08] <Luna-Tick> Rock: I suggest that you give mandrake a go
[07:08] <Razor-X> rock4f3lla: *cough* it's been done *cough*
[07:08] <super_spy> hi all
[07:08] <oceandead> its been done
[07:08] <oceandead> heh
[07:08] <Luna-Tick> I found it more user-friendly
[07:08] <gmoore> Razor-X: okay, how do i use that
[07:08] <biscuit__> ubuntu can detect and read ntfs
[07:08] <glick> apple is a moron, you know how many people would by macOS for intel?
[07:08] <super_spy> how to install mp3 player on my ubuntu ?
[07:08] <Razor-X> gmoore: you use BASH, I presume?
[07:08] <glick> you know how much money they would make?
[07:08] <biscuit__> Just not write on it
[07:08] <Razor-X> glick: meh :)
[07:09] <glick> thats why apple is a dumbass company that deserves to go under
[07:09] <biscuit__> My external HDD :: NTFS *cough works just fine
[07:09] <Luna-Tick> Yes - It can, but you will have to edit an 'fstab'
[07:09] <oceandead> glick i think part of the prob is worrying about supporting all the hardware
[07:09] <rob^> ubuntu tell super_spy about bmp
[07:09] <rob^> ubotu, tell super_spy about bmp
[07:09] <Orborde> Razor-X, That's what I did, I think. I installed the package linux-amd64-generic through synaptic from breezy. Hmm....let me reboot and I'll return in a few minutes.
[07:09] <Razor-X> Luna-Tick: or mount it manually every time (like I do)
[07:09] <dell500> anyone here know how to burn a dvd backup with k3b?
[07:09] <super_spy> thanks
[07:09] <Razor-X> Orborde: but, your menu.lst looks redundant, so, I was wondering if you added anything in by hand
[07:09] <tgnb> well Luna-Tick if you can tell me how i can install ati-drivers with working acceleration support in ubuntu on a fresh install on a Thinkpad laptop.. i'll be happy to hear it.. without the command line ;)
[07:09] <biscuit__> kevin06: Are you still there
[07:09] <oceandead> yeah because thats useful
[07:10] <Razor-X> tgnb: write a script for the thing and execute the script?
[07:10] <Orborde> Razor-X, Nothing except for the little bit specified in that link.
[07:10] <thezombiehunter> if ubuntu ever started charging money, and it was just like this, they would go under, couse u have to configure alot of crap right now
[07:10] <Luna-Tick> tgnb: What I meant was not that it is possible to do everything without the command line, but that this is the point of Ubuntu
[07:11] <oceandead> part of using a linux distro
[07:11] <thezombiehunter> ubuntu is ment for alot of things
[07:11] <Dr_Willis> thezombiehunter, your logic is faulty.. i could use the same logic for windows...
[07:11] <Razor-X> thezombiehunter: as I said earlier, I don't think the licenses of the majority of Ubuntu packages would allow you to charge
[07:11] <thezombiehunter> if u want somthing like windows go suse..but im telling u know it will be crap
[07:11] <Luna-Tick> tgnb: Anything that requires the command line is a shortcoming of Ubuntu
[07:11] <thezombiehunter> Razor: lol no kiddin
[07:11] <tgnb> Luna-Tick, ok fair enough :) i still need help with that though.. even on a command line. Razor-X ... can i use apt-get to install the latest drivers or do i have to manually install them
[07:12] <Razor-X> tgnb: apt-get, i'm pretty sure
[07:12] <biscuit__> Linuxant Drivers.. they make you pay....
[07:12] <Dr_Willis> requires a command line.. :P hmm isent the next verion of windows supposed to have a improved commandline/shell in it?
[07:12] <umboto> im trying to install java via the way the unoffical doc says to but i get E: couldn't find package sun-jre1.5
[07:12] <Razor-X> biscuit__: then their drivers are licensed with pay in mind
[07:12] <umboto> just to note, i did add the extra repos
[07:12] <tgnb> i did apt-get but it installed version 8.0 something
[07:12] <Razor-X> "tell umboto about java
[07:12] <oceandead> yeah, mosad? i think...somethin like that
[07:12] <Razor-X> !tell umboto about java
[07:12] <umboto> thanks you Razor-X
[07:12] <Razor-X> tgnb: I heard the ATI drivers were pretty mediocre
[07:12] <oceandead> but i dont think it will be ready for new release...will be added as update later?
[07:13] <Razor-X> nVidia drivers, on the other hand, are pretty nice :)
[07:13] <Luna-Tick> Dr: Difference between needing a command line and one being useful :). I use a good command line for good scripting etc, but I don't expect to have to set up hardware with the command line.
[07:13] <setite> how can i make f render smaller
[07:13] <oceandead> and backported to xp ....its still gonna suck though
[07:13] <tgnb> Razor-X, yeah but unfortunately this laptop has ati chip in it
[07:13] <co-fanky> hayy
[07:13] <rob^> ubotu, tell tgnb about ati
[07:13] <Dr_Willis> Luna-Tick, heh you dont want to get me started on some of the odd-ball-back-flips ive had to do on windows for hardware :P
[07:13] <Razor-X> tgnb: hey, I have a 32 MB TNT 2 RIVA PRO 64 chip
[07:14] <Luna-Tick> Fair enough
[07:14] <cyphase> Quick Poll: Do you think Ubuntu is user-friendly enough for your grandparents?
[07:14] <cyphase> :)
[07:14] <Razor-X> pretty bad stuff, with a crappy default gamma
[07:14] <setite> how can i make FF render smaller
[07:14] <Razor-X> cyphase: before my modifications, I think so
[07:14] <Razor-X> setite: #firefox :)
[07:14] <Razor-X> or #mozilla
[07:14] <Razor-X> whatever
[07:14] <setite> cyphase: no
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> Luna-Tick, lets say I had a HP printer print a test page and that would power the machine off. :P I used a hammer on the printer.
[07:14] <tgnb> rob^, i have read that ... and when i originally asked about this question i have even referenced that :)
[07:14] <tgnb> rob^, however it doesnt answer my question :)
[07:14] <rob^> tgnb, that how the rest of us do it
[07:14] <Orborde> Razor-X, No cigar.
[07:15] <cyphase> Quick Poll: Do you think Breezy will be user-friendly enough for your grandparents?
[07:15] <cyphase> lol
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> amazing how good it feels to take a hammer to a problematic peice of hardware.
[07:15] <cyphase> Dr_Willis, very
[07:15] <Razor-X> Orborde: do you have a backup of your old menu.lst?
[07:15] <volvoguy> Dr_Willis, or a .22 rifle. ;)
[07:15] <tgnb> rob^, the drivers this installs are too old and wont work with this chip.. i need newer versions which are available but my question is can i use apt-get to install them or do i need to manually do it
[07:15] <rob^> tgnb, manually
[07:15] <c0rrupt_> Razor-X, i just uninstalled nessusd and re-installed it
[07:15] <oceandead> you got "office space" on the printer huh
[07:15] <c0rrupt_> nmap is there now
[07:16] <Luna-Tick> Again doctor - you miss my point. When a distro wants to be user-friendly and appeal to people for whom linux is too difficult, anything like these examples which you give should be something on a very long to do list
[07:16] <c0rrupt_> will i still be registered though?
[07:16] <c0rrupt_> for plugins
[07:16] <setite> anyoen in here know? those are dead channels
[07:16] <co-fanky>
[07:16] <jbull> setite: what do you want to know exactly?
[07:16] <esc_ape> hello - I am thinking of trying linux again...but I have a question or two.
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> Luna-Tick, of course any things that you think linux should do... windows often fails to do .. i feel the whole idea of 'dumbing down' pc's to idiot user levels.. is doomed to fail.
[07:16] <tgnb> rob^, if i install them manually is there anything i need to watch out for or should the ati installer take care of it just fine? do i need to uninstall the ones i installed with apt-get first?
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> Luna-Tick, of course Ive always though that PALM should make a desktop palm-pilot. :P
[07:16] <volvoguy> esc_ape, ask away. :)
[07:17] <co-fanky> hayy
[07:17] <Dr_Willis> but then people would get mad they couldent install spyware.
[07:17] <oceandead> thing is, there has to be a happy medium
[07:17] <rob^> tgnb, it should be ok, just don't forget to edit your xorg.conf to reflect the new drivers
[07:17] <esc_ape> are there any applications that can copy dvds like in windows (dvdshrink, etc)?
[07:17] <Dr_Willis> Spyware! thats what i had to look up for a friend.. ;P off to do some googling.
[07:17] <setite> jbull: why linux FF renders so oddly... the tables are too big... the fonts too small... i can barely fit any page onto my screen versus the same page in windoze
[07:17] <Orborde> Razor-X, Beyond that backup Gedit creates, no.
[07:17] <volvoguy> esc_ape, i haven't used any myself, but i think there's something like "dvd::rip"
[07:18] <jbull> what version of ff are you running?
[07:18] <tgnb> rob^, ok i will try it
[07:18] <Luna-Tick> Dr: There is a difference between dumbing things down and automatically configuring hardware to the best defaults
[07:18] <esc_ape> dvd::rip...I think I remember hearing about that
[07:18] <esc_ape> thanks
[07:18] <volvoguy> esc_ape, no problem. there might be something on ubuntuguide.org about it.
[07:19] <esc_ape> ok cool
[07:19] <setite> 1.0.6
[07:19] <dell500> how is a video dvd suppose to be structured to work on a dvd player??
[07:19] <jbull> setite: are you running hoary or breezy?
[07:19] <setite> hoary...
[07:20] <oceandead> some people dont work in IT and dont have time to learn... its akin to requiring "you have to be a mechanic before you're issued a drivers license"
[07:20] <tristanmike> good analogy oceandead
[07:20] <jbull> hm...that might be a problem w/gtk+...have you fudged with the font settings?
[07:20] <esc_ape> I remember there was some trouble watching dvds in linux...am I correct?
[07:21] <tristanmike> yes, you have to enable it
[07:21] <volvoguy> esc_ape, i believe the problem is that the decrypter has to be licensed. there are ways of watching dvd's in linux though.
[07:22] <c0rrupt_> =-OOOOOOOOOOOOO
[07:22] <BigIslandVegan> Anybody know about using Bluetooth to access the internet through T-Mobile's Unlimited Internet with a Motorola V600, using a PowerBook G4? I do this on Mac OS X and would like to do it on Ubuntu. :-)
[07:22] <Madpilot> esc_ape: the dvd css thing is in hoary-extras. check the wiki
[07:22] <Madpilot> esc_ape: the legality of it is questionable, but it's there...
[07:23] <Orborde> Razor-X, Any ideas? I don't have a pre-new-kernel backup of menu.lst
[07:23] <tristanmike> why is it, when you buy a dvd burner, you still can't watch DVD's?
[07:23] <esc_ape> ok thanks
[07:23] <tristanmike> rhetorical.........
[07:23] <setite> jbull: yea i got those crappy win font package
[07:23] <DukGalNamu> this is getting pretty anoying, firefox is freezing like crazy
[07:23] <setite> i needed it because some sites wouldnt show text
[07:23] <volvoguy> esc_ape, the legality of the *software* is questionable, but i'm pretty sure you're allowed to watch your own or rented dvds. :)
[07:24] <setite> !bluetooth
[07:24] <ubotu> setite: Not a clue
[07:24] <karol_18> server irc.cl
[07:24] <skapple> hi karol_18
[07:24] <DukGalNamu> forgot the /
[07:24] <BigIslandVegan> !bluetooth
[07:24] <x_madbot> where can I find linux-image-2.6.12 (repository)?
[07:24] <DukGalNamu> ohh
[07:24] <DukGalNamu> i need to go for a reboot
[07:24] <DukGalNamu> new kernel
[07:25] <jbull> setite: ah yes, the old "invisible text" bug--besides the fonts have you played with the dpi?
[07:25] <setite> hey BigIslandVegan try this http://www.tuaw.com/2004/07/31/motorola-v600-cingular-bluetooth-powerbook-heaven/
[07:25] <setite> no
[07:25] <setite> on occasion i zoom the text in or out
[07:26] <setite> when the site loads in the default size its still too spread out... and the font is unreadable
[07:26] <Elsidox> can someone tell me how to upgrade to breezy?
[07:26] <setite> there is alot of wasted space in the renderings
[07:26] <BigIslandVegan> thanks
[07:26] <BigIslandVegan> i'll look
[07:26] <Elsidox> do I just change my sourcelist?
[07:26] <setite> myspace.com is a site that does it
[07:26] <jbull> Elsidox: short answer, yes.
[07:26] <Elsidox> jbull, whats the long answere
[07:26] <Elsidox> =)
[07:26] <jbull> setite: unreadable font, as in too small?
[07:26] <setite> yes
[07:27] <setite> too small
[07:27] <setite> and the windows fonts suck
[07:27] <tristanmike> why do all these people want to upgrade to an unfinished project?
[07:27] <jbull> Elsidox: well, the long answer involves fixing whatever breaks when you upgrade, if anything
[07:27] <tristanmike> is there something I'm missing?
[07:27] <setite> they are like windows without cleartype... missing corners and the like
[07:27] <Elsidox> jbull, ok. Thanks.
[07:27] <Ice9> how do I get audio codec for xine?
[07:27] <setite> does linux have a ClearType thing?
[07:27] <volvoguy> tristanmike, some of us are doing testing for the laptop team. that's my excuse anyway. :)
[07:28] <nlghtcrawler> goodnight guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:28] <jbull> setite: gross. yes, linux does have a "ClearType"-ish thing--autohinting if i'm not mistaken
[07:28] <setite> ??
[07:29] <Ice9> how do I get audio codec for xine? for mpeg layer?
[07:29] <volvoguy> setite, check out /etc/fonts/local.conf
[07:29] <setite> lemme make sure my monitor is in the right reso... everything looks a little too big
[07:29] <dell500> does anyone know what VSI, XVO, and IFO files are for a dvd backup?
[07:29] <jbull> setite: volvoguy beat me to it
[07:29] <volvoguy> jbull, :)
[07:29] <karol_18> server irc.cl
[07:30] <setite> beat you to what
[07:30] <oceandead> ill do testing for breezy ... same repos just "breezy" instead of "hoary"?
[07:30] <jbull> setite: the name of the file you should take a look at to see if autohinting is enabled
[07:30] <setite> well he didnt use my name so its hard to pick up in everything
[07:31] <umboto> i installed java and i installed limewire the way the docu said to but nothing happens
[07:31] <setite> volvoguy: nice car... we used to buy volvos alot
[07:31] <tristanmike> volvoguy: I'd just think that if you asking how to upgrade, maybe you're not ready, like me....
[07:31] <volvoguy> oceandead, at the moment we're supposed to just be doing fresh installs of Breezy. you could ask in #ubuntu-laptop though. upgraders may be helpful too.
[07:31] <umboto> i mean like i click the icon for it
[07:31] <setite> we had 4 int he late 80s
[07:31] <c0rrupt_> how can i turn the banner off on proftpd
[07:31] <umboto> but nothing happens
[07:32] <oceandead> ok ill do a fresh install tomorrow :)
[07:33] <setite> i cant tell if its on
[07:33] <setite> jbull: can i msg you a 7 line spam
[07:33] <volvoguy> tristanmike, understandable. i have a box for testing that has been upgrading to breezy since it was made available, but it's definitely not ready for full-time use.
[07:33] <jbull> setite: sure
[07:33] <setite> <!-- Uncomment below to enable the freetype autohinter module -->
[07:33] <setite> <!--
[07:34] <setite> <match target="font">
[07:34] <setite> <edit name="autohint" mode="assign">
[07:34] <setite> <bool>true</bool>
[07:34] <setite> </edit>
[07:34] <setite> </match>
[07:34] <volvoguy> setite, you'll need to restart X for changes to take effect.
[07:34] <setite> shit that didnt work
[07:34] <bimberi> setite: /query works better :)
[07:34] <jbull> setite: looks like you need to uncomment those lines to turn autohinting on
[07:34] <tristanmike> volvoguy: I wish I had a spare box....
[07:34] <setite> i typed in /msg jbull then pasted the spam... sorry... it spammed... and left /msg jbull in the input
[07:34] <setite> ok yea... i dont know how they are commented
[07:34] <setite> the <> ?
[07:35] <volvoguy> tristanmike, it's nothing fancy. a hand-me-down that's probably not worth $25.
[07:35] <jbull> remove the <!-- before <match target="font"> and the --!> at the end of that section
[07:35] <setite> hey Vegan how is that page working out
[07:35] <tristanmike> lol
[07:35] <setite> just that one line?
[07:36] <billytwowilly> anyone using voip.net? how do I make their voicemail actually act like voicemail?
[07:36] <BigIslandVegan> setite: it's for mac os x, which i have working already
[07:36] <setite> ohhhh i get it
[07:36] <tristanmike> volvoguy: a $25 computer running a $0.00 OS, amazing
[07:36] <setite> oh.... sorry
[07:36] <setite> ill look some more
[07:36] <jbull> setite: the end bracket should be after </match>
[07:36] <BigIslandVegan> i'm looking too, again...for months :-)
[07:37] <volvoguy> tristanmike, yes. and surprisingly it's useful enough to do real work on sometimes. (the newer .42 of Inkscape is pretty nice!)
[07:38] <Orborde> Razor-X, So have you given up, then?
[07:39] <OwnageLinux> hey ppl
[07:39] <volvoguy> i need to crash for a while. i'll be back later.
[07:40] <OwnageLinux> guys i just installed ubuntu wat do i type after i log in to get in?
[07:40] <jbull> OwnageLinux: youve already logged in?
[07:40] <OwnageLinux> yes.
[07:40] <setite> vegan
[07:40] <setite> BigIslandVegan: did you see this thread? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34740
[07:40] <BigIslandVegan> I'll look
[07:40] <jbull> OwnageLinux: so...what exactly do you need to "get in" to?
[07:40] <ray_> hello .......how do i force a cdrom drive to eject?
[07:41] <c0rrupt_> how do i turn off the banner in proftpd
[07:41] <Misos_> How can I make a program load-up on boot?
[07:41] <oceandead> ray_, paperclip
[07:41] <ray_> oceandead, i wish i had one man!!
[07:41] <tgnb> rob^, i manually installed the ati drivers and got them to work for 2d but DRI is not yet working
[07:41] <OwnageLinux> jbull: i wanna get to the desktop...
[07:41] <BigIslandVegan> setite, if i disappear suddenly, don't be offended, my hard drive is dying and freaks out unexpectedly
[07:41] <jbull> ray_: sudo /dev/hdc/ eject doesn't work?
[07:41] <BigIslandVegan> it's a toshiba 80 gb in this powerbook
[07:41] <tgnb> rob^, dri fails to load. the X log says "incompatible kernel module detected HW accelerated OpenGL will not work"
[07:41] <oceandead> hmmm, bend a staple so its stright then?
[07:41] <setite> its not exactly what you need... but with my evdo pc card(cell phone broadband) i had to piece together instructions to get it working
[07:41] <OwnageLinux> jbull: wat do i type to get to the desktop?
[07:41] <setite> BigIslandVegan: no worrieds
[07:41] <tgnb> rob^, the kernel version is 8.8.25 and the drivers i installed are 8.16.20
[07:41] <ray_> jbull, nope
[07:42] <Misos_> How can I make a program load-up on boot?
[07:42] <Elsidox> BigIslandVegan, runs macosx
[07:42] <OwnageLinux> jbull: wat do i type to get to the desktop?
[07:42] <jbull> OwnageLinux: where are you if not at the desktop?
[07:42] <BigIslandVegan> ?
[07:42] <setite> i thought BigIslandVegan runs ubuntu
[07:42] <OwnageLinux> im on a different computer jbull
[07:42] <thegreengiant> hello all
[07:42] <BigIslandVegan> I have both on this computer
[07:42] <oceandead> ray_, paperclip - staple bent so its straight - toothpick
[07:42] <Elsidox> =)
[07:42] <OwnageLinux> im a noob to ubuntu i just installed it on a diff computer
[07:42] <setite> Elsidox: what are you talking abotu?
[07:42] <thegreengiant> anyone using 5.10?
[07:43] <oceandead> anything thin enough and straight
[07:43] <setite> Elsidox: what are you talking aboot?
[07:43] <OwnageLinux> jbull:how do i get to desktop?
[07:43] <jbull> OwnageLinux: after logging in it should take you straight to the desktop
[07:43] <oceandead> not yet thegreengiant
[07:43] <ray_> oceandead, yeah but.........the software would still consider the drive mounted
[07:43] <setite> .slap Misos_
[07:43] <OwnageLinux> jbull it just gives me ownagelinux@ubuntu: ~$
[07:43] <Misos_> curses
[07:43] <Elsidox> setite, im talking about BigIslandVegan running MacOSX.
[07:43] <setite> what abotu it
[07:43] <Elsidox> nothing
[07:43] <setite> your a crackhead
[07:43] <Elsidox> lol
[07:43] <setite> bah... your wasting time
[07:43] <OwnageLinux> jbull : jbull it just gives me ownagelinux@ubuntu: ~$... wat do i type
[07:43] <Misos_> Oh ye, follower of Set and the Left Hand Path, surely you can help me out?
[07:44] <oceandead> i had problem today ...wouldnt eject ...i used paperclip ...ejected....put different cd in ....mounted it fine
[07:44] <Elsidox> setite, im glad to see you judge me that way
[07:44] <jbull> OwnageLinux: try startx
[07:44] <setite> Misos_: for your knowledge i will attempt
[07:44] <thegreengiant> does ubuntu pull from stable or a mix?
[07:44] <setite> whats your problem
[07:44] <OwnageLinux> jbull ive tied startx nothing happens it doesnt recognize command
[07:44] <oceandead> gnome-volume-manager running of course
[07:44] <jtan325> OwnageLinux,
[07:44] <jtan325> try
[07:44] <jtan325> "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start"
[07:44] <OwnageLinux> ok
[07:44] <bob2> OwnageLinux: then install x-window-system-core
[07:44] <thegreengiant> ??
[07:44] <Misos_> I want to start a program when my system boots up.
[07:45] <jbull> jtan325: my second option ;)
[07:45] <setite> which desktop
[07:45] <bob2> but something is terribly wrong if you don't have that installed
[07:45] <setite> gnome?
[07:45] <jtan325> yeah
[07:45] <jtan325> what bob2 said
[07:45] <jtan325> you probably just got to command-line by accident
[07:45] <jtan325> or not?
[07:45] <Nooks_> just quickly: with reference to the Live CD, is there any really point in running xscreensaver if the ubuntu user has no valid password?
[07:45] <str8edge> has anyone gotten dashboard to build from cvs?
[07:45] <Misos_> setite - were you asking me or jtan?
[07:45] <setite> you
[07:46] <thegreengiant> how easy is the kernel source to get for ubuntu so that i can install nvidia?
[07:46] <Nooks_> because this just screwed me out of my session. thanks a bunch.
[07:46] <jtan325> Misos_, what do you want to get started
[07:46] <setite> put it on /home/"login"/.kde/Autostart, and in "Sessions">"start programs" on Gnome
[07:46] <Dr_Willis> Nooks_, for the purty pictures :P
[07:46] <Misos_> I boot into command-line
[07:46] <ian_> Nooks_: why did you lose your session?
[07:46] <jbull> str8edge: dashboard or beagle?
[07:46] <jtan325> and you want to run something when you bootup?
[07:46] <Misos_> I have people runnign MUDs, and I want them to start automatically when the system starts.
[07:46] <OwnageLinux> jtan i got a password thing
[07:46] <jtan325> without loggin in?
[07:46] <OwnageLinux> wats the pw to sudp etc omot thomg
[07:46] <str8edge> jbull: i have beagle 0.12 and mono running in both hoary and breezy, I can't get Dashboard compiled from cvs
[07:46] <thegreengiant> usually if you leave something running when you shutdown it will come back up the next login
[07:47] <jtan325> OwnageLinux, it's the same as your normal user password
[07:47] <OwnageLinux> ok
[07:47] <setite> str8edge: want a beer?
[07:47] <Nooks_> ian : i closed my laptop lid to do something, opened it again and was confronted with an xswcreensaver prompt. killing xscreensaver meant that none of the apps it was "protecting" would get focus anymore.
[07:47] <Misos_> so, for example, one is /home/user/mud/autorun
[07:47] <OwnageLinux> etf..
[07:47] <str8edge> setite: no thanks.
[07:47] <OwnageLinux> wtf-*
[07:47] <bedi> sooo, now i will upgrade my hoary to breezy... i thing it works fine! =)
[07:47] <Nooks_> and now my one-time passwords are out of sync.
[07:47] <charlie> hi
[07:47] <OwnageLinux> after i type in the pw it says command not found
[07:47] <charlie> I have problem
[07:47] <charlie> with video
[07:47] <charlie> I cant play mpeg
[07:47] <setite> i dont even know what a MUD is
[07:48] <Misos_> text-based game
[07:48] <str8edge> !restricted
[07:48] <ubotu> I guess restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:48] <bob2> Nooks_: I'd file a bug if it's not possible at all to log back in again
[07:48] <jtan325> OwnageLinux, can you explain your problem
[07:48] <dell500> does anyone know what VSI, XVO, and IFO files are for a dvd backup?
[07:48] <Misos_> but that's not important
[07:48] <koxel> Do you installed codec?
[07:48] <jtan325> i wasn't here when you said the first part of your problem
[07:48] <jbull> str8edge: im not even sure that dashboard is being actively developed atm
[07:48] <Misos_> I just need it to start at boot. =P
[07:48] <OwnageLinux> jtan...: it boots ubuntu.... asks for login and pw
[07:48] <Misos_> like openssh starts, or any other service
[07:48] <Nooks_> bob2, it sure isn't
[07:48] <charlie> hi
[07:48] <ian_> Nooks_: why not?
[07:48] <OwnageLinux> i login and then it says matt@ubuntumatt:~$
[07:48] <Nooks_> where's the BTS for ubuntu?
[07:48] <charlie> I need to play a mpeg
[07:48] <bob2> Nooks_: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[07:48] <OwnageLinux> jtan: i login and then it says matt@ubuntumatt:~$
[07:48] <str8edge> jbull: I was able to get it running a couple of months ago, before beagle entered hoary & breezy.
[07:48] <bob2> Misos_: what do you want to start?
[07:48] <jtan325> OwnageLinux, there's no desktop?
[07:49] <koxel> charlie, Do you use gstreamer ?
[07:49] <koxel> or xine?
[07:49] <Nooks_> ian_: because ubuntu's entry in /etc/passwd has a ! as the initial character of the second field
[07:49] <OwnageLinux> jtan it doesnt go to a desktop
[07:49] <jtan325> hmm
[07:49] <monoxide> what is the kernel module for software raid support?
[07:49] <charlie> gstreamer?
[07:49] <OwnageLinux> its just at a dos-like screen
[07:49] <str8edge> charlie look in the wiki for restricted formats
[07:49] <Misos_> It's a process, no gui... the file location is /home/user/mud/autorun
[07:49] <str8edge> !restricted
[07:49] <ubotu> hmm... restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:49] <Misos_> autorun is the file name
[07:49] <charlie> restricted formats?
[07:49] <OwnageLinux> jtan32: wth do i do
[07:49] <Misos_> I don't boot into gdm or kde or anything, I boot into a command-line interface.
[07:49] <bob2> OwnageLinux: how did you manage to not install it properly?
[07:49] <jtan325> OwnageLinux what are you talkinng from right now then?
[07:49] <oceandead> l33t
[07:49] <str8edge> charlie look at what ubotu is saying and folloe the link.
[07:49] <koxel> add universe & multivers in sourcelist
[07:49] <jtan325> a second computer?
[07:49] <bob2> OwnageLinux: you didn't select the "expert" option or anything, did you?
[07:50] <koxel> or
[07:50] <oceandead> heh
[07:50] <OwnageLinux> bob: i dunno :\
[07:50] <koxel> add backport in sourcelist
[07:50] <charlie> ok thanks
[07:50] <koxel> if you use gstreamer .
[07:50] <bob2> OwnageLinux: you just did a default install?
[07:50] <OwnageLinux> how the hell do i fix the problem
[07:50] <jtan325> OwnageLinux, try doing Ctrl+Alt+F7
[07:50] <str8edge> charlie: you're welcome.
[07:50] <bob2> OwnageLinux: no special options, no errors?
[07:50] <OwnageLinux> wats that do tan
[07:50] <setite> yea thats soemthign i cant help with sadly... i only have an inkling of how to do it in KDM..... autostart is a windows curse i remember
[07:50] <koxel> You can install gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
[07:50] <jtan325> well
[07:50] <jtan325> usually you can switch between desktop and full-screen command terminal
[07:50] <OwnageLinux> lol it did nothing :\
[07:51] <jtan325> with Ctrl+Alt+F1 or Ctrl+Alt+F7
[07:51] <jtan325> (F1 goes to terminal mode)
[07:51] <OwnageLinux> i never got to the desktop though..
[07:51] <Misos_> Do you actually belong to te Temple of Set?
[07:51] <jtan325> hmmm
[07:51] <OwnageLinux> im at full screen coomando terminal
[07:51] <str8edge> jbull: any ideas other than using cvs to build both beagle and dashboard from source?
[07:51] <bob2> Misos_: please don't /msg me
[07:51] <jtan325> then how are you talking to us?
[07:51] <bob2> OwnageLinux: "it did nothing"?
[07:51] <jtan325> from a second terminal?
[07:51] <jtan325> second computer i mean?
[07:51] <OwnageLinux> yeds
[07:51] <charlie> thankds
[07:51] <bob2> Misos_: what are you trying to have run automatically?
[07:51] <jtan325> hmm
[07:52] <jtan325> ok OwnageLinux try "gnome-session"
[07:52] <OwnageLinux> after i login on the commando terminal i just get "matt@ubuntumatt:!$
[07:52] <glick> has anyone here set up a cvs server on ubuntu?
[07:52] <Misos_> bob2 - as I said, it's a process more or less - it's a MUD
[07:52] <jbull> str8edge: i just checked out latest dashboard and it spit some errors at me on make...
[07:52] <OwnageLinux> jtan how do i do gnome session?
[07:52] <jtan325> no
[07:52] <jtan325> type that in
[07:52] <jtan325> and press enter
[07:52] <OwnageLinux> ??
[07:52] <bob2> Misos_: and it's not in ubuntu?
[07:52] <Sutekh_Away> http://www.mudconnect.com/
[07:52] <Misos_> bob 2 - the file locaiton is /home/user/mud/autorun - autorun is the file name, and I want that to run when I boot-up
[07:52] <Nooks_> bob2: well, I should really check the latest version of the Live CD before submitting a bug, I think. but I will, since this just cost me my ability to work from home
[07:52] <OwnageLinux> type waht in jtan?
[07:52] <str8edge> jbull: me too, you using hoary or breezy right now?
[07:52] <jtan325> OwnageLinux, just type "gnome-session"
[07:52] <jbull> str8edge: breezy
[07:52] <jtan325> and press enter
[07:52] <Misos_> bob2 - I run it in Ubuntu, but I want to to load when Unbuntu loads
[07:53] <OwnageLinux> ok
[07:53] <Nooks_> (christ, as if I needed another reason that xscreensaver is too fucked-up for words)
[07:53] <bob2> Misos_: but the MUD software isn't included in Ubuntu?
[07:53] <OwnageLinux> with the quotes?
[07:53] <glick> breezy comes out in two months right?
[07:53] <str8edge> jbull: did you use the beagle packages or pull from cvs?
[07:53] <jtan325> no
[07:53] <bob2> Nooks_: heh, less bad than the alternatives, at least
[07:53] <OwnageLinux> doesnt work..
[07:53] <jtan325> jbull, you trying to get beagle working?
[07:53] <Misos_> bob 2 - correct, though OpenSSH isn't included by default either, it still boots-up when Ubuntu does
[07:53] <bob2> Nooks_: and on the plus side, jwz has abandoned it now ;)
[07:53] <jtan325> OwnageLinux, does it say "command not found?
[07:53] <tgnb> what do i have to install to get /usr/src/linux kernel headers?
[07:53] <OwnageLinux> -bash: gnome-session: command not found
[07:53] <jbull> jtan325: no, trying to help str8edge build dashboard from cvs
[07:54] <jtan325> what's dashboard
[07:54] <jtan325> !dashboard
[07:54] <ubotu> jtan325: Are you smoking crack?
[07:54] <OwnageLinux> jtan: -bash: gnome-session: command not found
[07:54] <jtan325> lol
[07:54] <jbull> str8edge: you think that pulling beagle from cvs would fix the build errors?
[07:54] <bob2> tgnb: sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[07:54] <jtan325> OwnageLinux, i think you have a seriously messed up installation then
[07:54] <Nooks_> bob2: that's really very comforting
[07:54] <bob2> OwnageLinux: this system is highly broken
[07:54] <OwnageLinux> so what do i do?
[07:54] <jtan325> reinstall
[07:54] <str8edge> jtan325: dashboard is a search aggregator for beagle. www.nat.org/dashboard
[07:54] <OwnageLinux> ok..
[07:54] <jtan325> and don't do anything funny
[07:54] <str8edge> jbull: we'll find out.
[07:54] <Misos_> bob2 - so do you not know how?
[07:54] <OwnageLinux> but it will install the same way...
[07:54] <jbull> str8edge: indeed
[07:54] <OwnageLinux> wouldnt it still b fucked?
[07:55] <jtan325> hmm i doubt it
[07:55] <bob2> OwnageLinux: burn a fresh cd, make sure it's ok (ie verify the md5sum) and reinstall, without using any special boot options
[07:55] <jtan325> yeah
[07:55] <esc_ape> I have a Linksys Wireless-G PCI Adapter. I want to try linux...will this be a problem?
[07:55] <OwnageLinux> bob2 - i just burnt and iso and ran it....
[07:55] <str8edge> jbull: i'm running make on a cvs version of beagle right now
[07:55] <OwnageLinux> didnt do anything weird...
[07:55] <bob2> Misos_: er , of course. copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to /etc/init.d/whatever, edit it to run your MUD, and then use 'update-rc.d' to install it into the default run level system
[07:55] <jbull> str8edge: the moment of truth...
[07:55] <OwnageLinux> guys if i reinstall im just gunna get the same fucked up thing again
[07:56] <str8edge> jbull: 1.8 gig celery laptop so it shouldn't take too long :)
[07:56] <bob2> OwnageLinux: why do you think that?
[07:56] <OwnageLinux> cuz i did eeverything normal..
[07:56] <bob2> OwnageLinux: I'm not sure how you could know that if you don't know what went wrong last time
[07:56] <dell500> does anyone know how I can backup a bunch of XVO, IFO, and VSI files??
[07:56] <jtan325> str8edge, that looks tight
[07:56] <str8edge> jbull: it crapped out too
[07:56] <OwnageLinux> ok well ill reinstall and see if it works... tommorow
[07:56] <str8edge> ./configure: line 20666: `AC_PROG_INTLTOOL(0.23)'
[07:56] <glick> scuse me isnt there a better circuit schematic design tool than dia
[07:56] <glick> ?
[07:56] <dell500> !xvo
[07:56] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, dell500
[07:56] <OwnageLinux> bob2: ill reinstall 2morrow.. im out now peace
[07:56] <jtan325> OwnageLinux, it took me like 3 installations before i got things completely right
[07:56] <bob2> OwnageLinux: check the md5sum of the disk, first.
[07:56] <jbull> str8edge: what kind of error?
[07:56] <jtan325> so yea
[07:56] <dell500> !XVO
[07:56] <ubotu> dell500: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[07:56] <bimberi> esc_ape: Have a look for your card here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[07:56] <str8edge> jtan: it runs linux fine..
[07:56] <Misos_> bob 2 - /etc/init.d/whatever? =P
[07:56] <OwnageLinux> bob2 how do i check the md5 sum?
[07:57] <dell500> !VOB
[07:57] <ubotu> Wish i knew, dell500
[07:57] <str8edge> jbull: checking for wsdl... /usr/bin/wsdl
[07:57] <str8edge> ./configure: line 20666: syntax error near unexpected token `0.23'
[07:57] <str8edge> ./configure: line 20666: `AC_PROG_INTLTOOL(0.23)'
[07:57] <bob2> OwnageLinux: do you have an existing linux install?
[07:57] <jtan325> bob2, you helped me out with my wireless problems a few days ago
[07:57] <bob2> str8edge: please use #flood
[07:57] <OwnageLinux> well bob.... i just installed it over a windows me
[07:57] <bob2> jtan325: still working?
[07:57] <OwnageLinux> and no... thats my only linux
[07:57] <jtan325> bob2, yeah. i was just wondering if there's a command line way
[07:57] <str8edge> bob2: can do.
[07:57] <jtan325> to tell the os to "use" eth0 or wlan0
[07:57] <jtan325> if both were plugged in
[07:58] <OwnageLinux> peace.
[07:58] <bob2> jtan325: sure, use ifplugd
[07:58] <jtan325> hmm ok
[07:58] <bob2> OwnageLinux: boot using the "expert" option, then select "verify cd" from the menu
[07:58] <bob2> OwnageLinux: if it's ok, reboot and d oa normal install
[07:58] <jtan325> what are the relevant command line stuff related to networking? dhclient, ifconfig, iwconfig, ifplugd....
[07:59] <bob2> dhclient lets you request things from a dhcp server
[07:59] <bob2> ifconfig configures network-related stuff for interfaces
[07:59] <bob2> iwconfig twiddles wireless setggins
[07:59] <jbull> str8edge: make succeeded for me
[07:59] <bob2> ifplugd is a daemon that runs and detects cables being plugged in
[07:59] <str8edge> jbull: I'm apt-getting intltool as we speak
[07:59] <jtan325> ok and i really don't have to do anything to get wireless working on bootup do i ?
[08:00] <jtan325> as long as there's stuff in /etc/network/interfaces
[08:00] <bob2> correct
[08:00] <BigIslandVegan> setite, thanks for being friendly, have a good one
[08:00] <c0rrupt_> helllllllllo
[08:00] <bob2> I'm too lazy to automate any of it, so I just use dhclient and "ip" to configure things as I go
[08:00] <c0rrupt_> how can i remove the banner with proftpd
[08:02] <str8edge> jbull: not it wants sqlite :)
[08:02] <jtan325> bob2, is there a way to get ifplugd to run during bootup
[08:02] <bob2> jtan325: presumably it does that by default
[08:02] <c0rrupt_> why are these repos using outdated software
[08:02] <jtan325> after installation?
[08:03] <jbull> str8edge: not to worry--even with beagle cvs, build still fails..
[08:03] <c0rrupt_> bob2 how often are the repos updated
[08:03] <niran> did anyone's mono apps stop working in breezy
[08:03] <niran> ?
[08:03] <str8edge> thanks for the update.
[08:03] <niran> "The assembly was not found in the Global Assembly Cache"
[08:03] <str8edge> niran: i'm using f-spot, beagle, and tomboy right now
[08:03] <bob2> c0rrupt_: repos of what?
[08:03] <jbull> niran: what str8edge said
[08:03] <niran> str8edge, ok, thanks
[08:03] <c0rrupt_> the main repositories
[08:03] <c0rrupt_> for ubuntu
[08:04] <bob2> c0rrupt_: of what?
[08:04] <str8edge> niran: I had to install a few more packages using synaptic, but it all works.
[08:04] <c0rrupt_> community supported
[08:04] <bob2> c0rrupt_: hoary is obviously frozen, so it doesn't get updated
[08:04] <c0rrupt_> ?
[08:04] <bob2> c0rrupt_: breezy is updated every 15 minutes
[08:04] <c0rrupt_> wtf
[08:04] <c0rrupt_> can i use breezy?
[08:04] <bob2> no
[08:04] <c0rrupt_> so
[08:04] <c0rrupt_> im stuck using old, exploitable software?
[08:04] <bob2> yes, exactly
[08:04] <bob2> ubuntu even adds extra remote exploits
[08:04] <c0rrupt_> why cant i use breezy...
[08:04] <bob2> because it's KWALITY
[08:05] <bob2> of course it's not exploitable
[08:05] <bob2> hoary gets immediate security updates
[08:05] <str8edge> niran: I also have a couple of other mono apps running.. BLAM! and monothea (dvd catalogue app)
[08:05] <jtan325> c0rrupt_, just read some of the bug reports
[08:05] <bob2> in a seperate repository
[08:05] <jtan325> about breezy
[08:05] <c0rrupt_> ?
[08:05] <c0rrupt_> im confused
[08:05] <c0rrupt_> for example.
[08:05] <niran> str8edge, ok, i'm just going to reinstall my mono stack
[08:05] <c0rrupt_> im using proftpd
[08:05] <bob2> c0rrupt_: you can use it if you want, but it's the development version, so things break
[08:05] <str8edge> niran: cool.
[08:05] <c0rrupt_> ah
[08:05] <c0rrupt_> well
[08:05] <bob2> c0rrupt_: if a hole is found in proftpd, it gets fixed in the hoary-security repository
[08:05] <c0rrupt_> well
[08:05] <c0rrupt_> there is a hole
[08:05] <c0rrupt_> and
[08:05] <bob2> running breezy on a server you want security fixes for is dumb
[08:05] <c0rrupt_> and
[08:06] <str8edge> c0rrupt_: stuff breaks bad in breezy.
[08:06] <c0rrupt_> ok
[08:06] <c0rrupt_> i wont use breezy but
[08:06] <c0rrupt_> in proftp
[08:06] <c0rrupt_> d
[08:06] <bob2> c0rrupt_: try putting a whole sentence on one line
[08:06] <c0rrupt_> sorry, everyone tells me that
[08:06] <lee_> ok
[08:06] <bob2> it's extraordinarily annoying
[08:06] <bob2> c0rrupt_: if there's an unfixed hole in proftp, tell the security team
[08:06] <c0rrupt_> well, there is a hole in proftpd. and when i apt-get upgrade, it says eveyrhting is up to date
[08:06] <c0rrupt_> how can i tell the security team
[08:07] <bob2> c0rrupt_: did you configure apt to use the security repositories?
[08:07] <c0rrupt_> want to look at my sources.list?
[08:07] <jasoncohen> c0rrupt_, you should tell pitti in #ubuntu-devel. he works on many of the security updates
[08:07] <str8edge> corrupt_: try adding the following line to your sources.list "deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-security main restricted"
[08:07] <c0rrupt_> i think i have that add already
[08:07] <jasoncohen> c0rrupt_, it's not here https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/usn/errorreferencefolder_view
[08:08] <c0rrupt_> yea, deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-security main restricte was already added
[08:08] <sudarta> help me
[08:08] <str8edge> jbull: thanks for the help. have a good night
[08:08] <c0rrupt_> so
[08:08] <bob2> sudarta: you need to ask a question...
[08:08] <jbull> str8edge: np you too
[08:08] <kevor> sudarta - just ask the questen, read the faq
[08:08] <bob2> c0rrupt_: oh, proftp is in universe
[08:08] <c0rrupt_> ?
[08:09] <bob2> c0rrupt_: tell #ubuntu-motu
[08:09] <jasoncohen> c0rrupt_, proftpd is in universe so it doesn't get official security support
[08:09] <c0rrupt_> oh.
[08:09] <sudarta> i need help on setting up Logitech webcamexpress on my ubuntu
[08:09] <c0rrupt_> what should i tell them, exactly
[08:09] <jasoncohen> c0rrupt_, if you want the version from breezy, just add a breezy "source" source and "apt-get build-dep proftpd ; apt-get source -b proftpd"
[08:10] <bimberi> of course there's always vsftpd
[08:10] <sudarta> tnx bob, I am Indonesian with terrible english.... :( but my dictionary is here...;)
[08:10] <c0rrupt_> i have build-dep installed
[08:10] <jasoncohen> build-dep isn't a packaged
[08:10] <c0rrupt_> whats -b do
[08:10] <c0rrupt_> i know
[08:10] <jasoncohen> apt-get build-dep package will install the build dependencies to build that package from source
[08:10] <c0rrupt_> its all the tools needed for building right
[08:10] <c0rrupt_> oh
[08:10] <c0rrupt_> like
[08:10] <c0rrupt_> -f
[08:11] <jasoncohen> -b is to build after downloading the source
[08:11] <c0rrupt_> sorry i did it again
[08:11] <c0rrupt_> how can i remove the banner from popping up in proftpd on connect
[08:11] <c0rrupt_> so at least people cannot tell my version
[08:11] <karol_18> rver irc.cl
[08:12] <sudarta> i need help on setting up Logitech webcamexpress on my ubuntu
[08:12] <bob2> c0rrupt_: that's unlikely to help at all
[08:12] <c0rrupt_> ..
[08:12] <bob2> people tend to just try exploits
[08:12] <c0rrupt_> true.
[08:12] <c0rrupt_> real pentesters exploit live
[08:13] <kevor> i'm a people, i never use exploids :P
[08:13] <kevor> yo Seveas
[08:13] <c0rrupt_> heh
[08:13] <kevor> is it ok to use linux and not be a 31337 h4x0r?
[08:13] <c0rrupt_> NIENNN
[08:13] <kevor> O_o
[08:14] <c0rrupt_> you will get hizh4xed to the m00n
[08:14] <oceandead> <- not 1337 h4x0r
[08:14] <kevor> but i dun wanna :(
[08:14] <c0rrupt_> hide in windows!
[08:14] <kevor> i have windows :) lots of 'm
[08:14] <kevor> managed by uhm, guess i'm running xfce4 here
[08:14] <hondje> I have one less today :-( Damn neighbors
[08:15] <hondje> yeah, wrong chan....
[08:15] <kevor> hehe, cute lil' doggy :D
[08:15] <kevor> so there are no more ppl that need help?
[08:16] <talios> ...i have this infection...?
[08:16] <kevor> you got lumps on ur penis?
[08:16] <hondje> I call her my gf
[08:16] <oceandead> heh
[08:16] <ian> hello ppl...does anybody used sql ledger ?
[08:16] <kevor> you girlfriend is lumpy?
[08:16] <kevor> nice!
[08:17] <hondje> :-)
[08:17] <hondje> In all the right places
[08:17] <ubuntu> hi all of u
[08:17] <ian> join #sql-legdger
[08:18] <ubuntu> dos this work?
[08:18] <hondje> Yes, it works
[08:18] <ubuntu> realy
[08:18] <kevor> yes ubuntu, we can read the crap ur spitting at ur ircclient
[08:18] <Misos_> Can I upgrade to breezy using apt-get?
[08:18] <bob2> Misos_: of course
[08:18] <kevor> sure, but do you want to Misos_
[08:18] <bob2> Misos_: but it's not a very good idea
[08:19] <Misos_> I run Ubuntu inside of VMWare, I am still playing with it
[08:19] <Misos_> =P
[08:19] <hondje> why wouldn't you want to?
[08:19] <ubuntu> can u vice chat on here??
[08:19] <Misos_> what's the package name for it?
[08:19] <hondje> other than breezy being breezy
[08:19] <kevor> never understoot ppl who use VMwhere
[08:19] <bob2> ubuntu: "vice chat"?
[08:19] <bob2> if your addiction is ubuntu-related, I guess so
[08:19] <ubuntu> vove chat
[08:19] <bob2> Misos_: package name for what? breezy?
[08:20] <Misos_> es
[08:20] <Misos_> Yes*
[08:20] <ubuntu> SORRY Voce chat
[08:20] <bob2> Misos_: it's not a package, it's a suite of packages, just like hoary
[08:20] <Ice9> is rob^ here?
[08:20] <bob2> ubuntu: dude, "voice"?
[08:20] <Misos_> So how do I apt-get it? =P
[08:20] <Misos_> apt-get install breezy
[08:20] <Misos_> ?
[08:20] <bob2> Misos_: edit /etc/apt/sources.list, point it at breezy instead of hoary
[08:20] <kevor> haha ubuntu stop spilling cola on your keyboard
[08:20] <bob2> Misos_: no, it's not a package. each ubuntu suite is a set o fpackages.
[08:20] <ubuntu> Some one just gave me this disk
[08:21] <Misos_> I see
[08:21] <Orborde> Some browser plugins (Flash, Adobe) do not seem to want to work under AMD64 Ubuntu. Any ideas?
[08:21] <bob2> Orborde: if you care about binary-only stuff, use the i386 port
[08:21] <bob2> it's a lot simpler
[08:21] <ubuntu> mmm why not
[08:21] <Ice9> can somebody please walk me through getting 3d acceleration working on my radeon 9250? I've tried everything
[08:22] <MrPockets> should Linux be running my system hotter then Windows :-x ?
[08:22] <kevor> Misos_ change the lines in /etc/apt/sources.list then run $ apt-get upgrade
[08:22] <bob2> Ice9: I'm pretty sure you don't have to do anything
[08:22] <bob2> no
[08:22] <hondje> MrPockets: Ubuntu will, because it's an african distro and prefers the heat
[08:22] <bob2> you run 'sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[08:22] <bob2> or, better still, use aptitude
[08:22] <MrPockets> hondje that was horrable
[08:22] <Ice9> bob2, then why doesn't or work?
[08:22] <ubuntu> LOL
[08:22] <MrPockets> i mean ive heard bad... but wow
[08:22] <hondje> I tried though :-)
[08:22] <kevor> Misos_: do like bob said :P
[08:23] <bob2> Ice9: you haven't defined "not work" yet; my ibook had hardware acceleration working from the first time X started
[08:23] <MrPockets> its still only 15, so its pretty damn outta climate
[08:23] <ubuntu> this is good
[08:23] <Ice9> I've done everything the !ati link tells me, and I'm still getting like 35 fps with glxgears, and even when I test it
[08:24] <ubuntu> it work jus on the disk
[08:24] <evo> ok so how do i enable the glx backend for libglitz ?
[08:24] <bob2> uninstall firgl, for a start
[08:24] <c0rrupt_> ok, ive informated the people in motu
[08:24] <bob2> er, firegl
[08:24] <Ice9> I don't think I have that installed
[08:24] <c0rrupt_> they are examining my nessus-scan log
[08:25] <bob2> Ice9: well, it should have worked by default
[08:25] <bob2> if you messed with it, it's probably more broken
[08:25] <bob2> so undo everything you did
[08:25] <Ice9> I agree lol, but it didn't
[08:25] <Orborde> I could dual-boot both the AMD64 and i386 kernels from GRUB, can't I?
[08:26] <ubuntu> I am going to tray to lorn more opn what to do on this progrem
[08:26] <bob2> Orborde: well, yeah
[08:26] <bob2> Orborde: how would that help, tho? your issue is that you have a 64-bit userland
[08:26] <Orborde> bob2, Did you have a better option?
[08:27] <bob2> I'd just not bother with flash, personally
[08:27] <Orborde> bob2, What do you mean?
[08:27] <ubuntu> i am no good on taping
[08:27] <bob2> another option would be installing a 32-bit firefox
[08:27] <bob2> I'd think the one from mozilla.org would work with ia32-libs
[08:27] <bob2> a chroot is the nuclear-hammer solution
[08:27] <blt> ubuntu, quick question. Might you be a troll?
[08:28] <cafuego> not wanting flash is the sane solution
[08:28] <cafuego> (I assume that's the problem)
[08:28] <ubuntu> thaks to all of you
[08:29] <drunken-wallaby> hi everyone!
[08:29] <MrPockets> GREETINGS!
[08:29] <c0rrupt_> HI
[08:29] <MrPockets> schalome!
[08:29] <oceandead> yes, you?
[08:31] <kevor> anyone here know of an ass graphical ftp client (like FlashFxp) for linux?
[08:31] <kevor> ass = oss
[08:31] <cafuego> kevor: they're all ass (they all smell like shit)
[08:31] <c0rrupt_> OH MY GOSH, ITS QUARTER TO ORANGE
[08:31] <Ice9> ubuntu is still using the mesa opengl drivers, what gives
[08:31] <cafuego> Ice9: You ddin't tell it otherwise?
[08:32] <c0rrupt_> ice, you are a troubled soul
[08:32] <Determinist> lo guys
[08:32] <c0rrupt_> lo.?////
[08:32] <Ice9> how can I tell it otherwise?
[08:32] <c0rrupt_> ..
[08:32] <c0rrupt_> plug in your mic
[08:32] <cafuego> Ice9: Configure X to use the right glx driver.
[08:32] <kevor> but don't scream, it will not listen
[08:33] <c0rrupt_> ubuntu doesnt like loud voices
[08:33] <MrPockets> will the i386 distro of Ubuntu still run on an AMD K6-2?
[08:33] <kevor> exactly, only wants to hear smooth sexy voices
[08:33] <cafuego> MrPockets: yes
[08:33] <bob2> FXP is the thing warez kiddies use to transfer stuff between warez hosts, right?
[08:33] <Ice9> the reconfigure xserver xorg thing?
[08:33] <drunken-wallaby> i have a problem connection to a wireless network. sudo iwlist wlan0 scan returns the uni network i want to connect to. does this mean, that my wireless card is configured properly?
[08:33] <oceandead> <- runs k6-2 on i386
[08:33] <kevor> MrPockets: amd k6-2? hahaha that's old-school :D
[08:33] <Determinist> if i have ddclient (a dns update client for dyndns - dynamic host), where should i run it from (what script...) but not as a daemon, just once during system bootup?
[08:33] <kevor> had one of those :P
[08:33] <bob2> drunken-wallaby: it means it's detected and capable of scanning
[08:33] <c0rrupt_> add it to bootmish.sh
[08:34] <bob2> Determinist: it should run fine by default
[08:34] <MrPockets> kevor yeah i got this piece of a system, restoring her but i dont wanna put cash into it
[08:34] <c0rrupt_> in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[08:34] <Determinist> bob2: not if i havent installed it yet...
[08:34] <c0rrupt_> Determinist, did you hear me?
[08:34] <cafuego> !info linux-image-2.6.10-5-k6
[08:34] <kevor> MrPockets: Just install ubuntu, but you'd be better off installing a lightweight windows manager on a machine like that. Gnome can be rather a handfull
[08:34] <c0rrupt_> use kubuntu
[08:34] <Determinist> c0rrupt_: ohh, sorry, using irssi through ssh, not used to this colour scheme
[08:34] <cafuego> Doesn't look like there is a specific -k6 kernel, though.
[08:34] <c0rrupt_> down with gnome
[08:34] <bob2> Determinist: then install it...
[08:35] <x_or> Anyone here installed RAID using mpt370 driver? Can I use it during install?
[08:35] <kevor> Gnome > *
[08:35] <c0rrupt_> NIEN!
[08:35] <kevor> YIES
[08:35] <Determinist> ok , gonna try... bbl
[08:35] <c0rrupt_> kde > gnome
[08:35] <cafuego> Is that software raid?
[08:35] <c0rrupt_> long live kubuntu!
[08:35] <bob2> x_or: if it's real hardware raid, there should be no [problem at all
[08:35] <MrPockets> i was going to go with DSL, but thats kinda small
[08:35] <tomaj> is it best to recompile the kernel using the wiki guide (which causes errors for me) or use the linux-source package from synaptic?
[08:35] <cafuego> c0rrupt_: #playtime is there -->
[08:35] <bob2> tomaj: why do you need to recompile it?
[08:35] <c0rrupt_> i dont see another arrow
[08:35] <kevor> dun see :I(
[08:35] <inva|id> why is xwd missing in breezy?
[08:35] <c0rrupt_> cafuego, has me confused. maybe its cause hes gay?
[08:36] <tomaj> bob2 i need ntfs write and all the other options suggested aren't working or to much trouble or to risky
[08:36] <c0rrupt_> no problem against gay people.. they just get me confused
[08:36] <x_or> bob2: It seems like it, but when I get to partition step it sees two drives.
[08:36] <cafuego> c0rrupt_: Do you have anything to contribute or are you just here to troll?
[08:36] <x_or> bob2: I've gone through the process in BIOS to setup the hardware RAID, but no go.
[08:36] <monoxide> what is the kernel module for software raid support?
[08:36] <Elsidox> I just upgraded to breezy and x wont startx. I get this error x something i snot executable
[08:36] <c0rrupt_> fine fine.. im sorry cafuego im trying to help, im just having a little fun. ill keep my side talk in another channel. *kisses your feet*
[08:36] <Elsidox> can anyone help?
[08:37] <monoxide> i setup a software raid array in the installer, but its not using it now...
[08:37] <kevor> Elsidox: check the topic :)
[08:37] <cafuego> monoxide: 'md'
[08:37] <Elsidox> kevor: the topic does not help my problem
[08:37] <bob2> tomaj: the ntfs write support in the kernel is known-broken
[08:37] <oceandead> hahaha
[08:37] <inva|id> can any breezy users check to see if their xwd is missing, or if it is just me?
[08:38] <bob2> tomaj: if you want to be able to write to it, either don't, or use captive-ntfs (which shouldn't require a recompile)
[08:38] <tomaj> bob2 i used it before with 2.6.8 and it seemed to work
[08:38] <kevor> Elsidox: ok, that's true, what's the error?
[08:38] <bob2> inva|id: lots of X binaries are MIA; what does packages.ubuntu.com say?
[08:38] <cafuego> inva|id: xwd what?
[08:39] <monoxide> cafuego, where would the raid array show up? what device?
[08:39] <monoxide> oe how do i reset up the array?
[08:39] <tomaj> bob2 but u need lufs for captive and from the sounds of it that's a dodgy program
[08:39] <cafuego> monoxide: /dev/md0
[08:39] <bob2> tomaj: anything that throws windows code into the kernel is going to be dodgy
[08:39] <cafuego> monoxide: You admin it using mdadm
[08:39] <itay> hi!
[08:39] <monoxide> cafuego, well, thats not there. i just loaded the module with modprobe and nothing
[08:39] <bob2> hte native ntfs driver is guaranteed to corrupt the filesystem, tho, afaik
[08:39] <inva|id> i'll poke around packages.ubuntu.com
[08:39] <Elsidox> kevor: /etc/x11/x is not excutable
[08:39] <cafuego> monoxide: Is /dev/md0 in /etc/fstab?
[08:39] <tomaj> so does that mean lufs is better than kernel ntfs writing?
[08:39] <monoxide> cafuego, no
[08:40] <bob2> I'd try to avoid either, very hard
[08:40] <cafuego> monoxide: Why would it start then?
[08:40] <itay> I'm trying to run a X applaction, but I get this error: Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". What can I do?
[08:40] <monoxide> cafuego, the device isnt even there, but i set it up inside the ubuntu installer
[08:40] <Elsidox> kevor: any ideas?
[08:40] <cafuego> monoxide: Did you set it up AND make it mount, or did you ONLY set it up?
[08:41] <monoxide> i told it to mount to /home
[08:41] <cafuego> monoxide: What do kern.log and syslog have to say about it?
[08:41] <tomaj> bob2 so does that mean lufs is better than kernel ntfs writing?
[08:42] <Elsidox> can someone tell me how to make a file exautable from the command line?
[08:42] <hondje> Elsidox: chmod +x <filename>
[08:42] <oceandead> sudo chmod +x
[08:42] <monoxide> and the installer also forgot to add sata_via to the bootup modules, so i had troubles booting because all my text editors where on my sata drive which had the /usr partition
[08:42] <bob2> tomaj: what's so essential about writing to NTFS in this case?
[08:42] <Elsidox> hondje: oceandead thank you
[08:42] <cafuego> monoxide: which installer did you use?
[08:42] <tomaj> im using both windows and linux and i want to transfer files from linux to windows
[08:43] <bob2> tomaj: you don't have aany space to make a fat32 partition?
[08:43] <tomaj> nope its all used up
[08:43] <itay> what can I do to fix the problem?
[08:43] <tomaj> bob2 windows is even on a separate hdd
[08:43] <cafuego> tomaj: Windows can read your ext2 and ext3 partitions.
[08:43] <c0rrupt_> omgashz0r
[08:43] <cafuego> tomaj: (and write to them...)
[08:43] <c0rrupt_> windows cant* read ext2 and ext3
[08:43] <chrismy> hi all
[08:43] <c0rrupt_> =-o
[08:44] <tomaj> cafuego how do you set that up? that would work fine as well
[08:44] <ian> how do i put a short cut key menu of an application?
[08:44] <bob2> it can with an extra program
[08:44] <oceandead> i transfer using a windows share
[08:44] <Elsidox> can someone tell me how to configure x from the command line?
[08:44] <c0rrupt_> that program i do not know about
[08:44] <cafuego> tomaj: Let me have a look...
[08:44] <tomaj> thanx buddy
[08:44] <hondje> Elsidox: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:44] <bob2> Elsidox: it might be eaiser if you tell us the whole mess you're in
[08:44] <ian> hello...how do i put a short cut key menu of an application?
[08:44] <Elsidox> hondje: thanks
[08:44] <Elsidox> bob2: well if you willing to listen I will. =)
[08:44] <Elsidox> your*
[08:44] <manish> hi. I just installed ubuntu and am having a problem with my environment setup. It seems that after logging on the console, my .bash_profile is not being read. However, if I remote login using ssh it is read and my environment is being setup properly. I am using gnome - and it seems gdm is not starting bash as a login shell and as a result the .bash_profile is not read. Can someone give me some suggestion - what I need to do to ensure tha
[08:45] <cafuego> tomaj: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2fsd
[08:45] <bob2> I don't think anyone could possibly guess if they could help you or not before hearing the problem
[08:45] <Ice9> man! There has to be way to get 3d acceleration going! I'm so stumpt!
[08:45] <tomaj> cafuego does that read ext3?
[08:45] <cafuego> tomaj: I've used that on XP to read from and write to ext3.
[08:45] <bob2> manish: did you read the INVOCATION section of the bash manpage?
[08:45] <chrismy> how can i know whether or not I have MySQL enabled? by looking at the first part of the http://localhost/testphp.php?
[08:45] <tomaj> champion
[08:45] <ekimus> manish: configure the gnome-terminal to be a login shell
[08:45] <cafuego> tomaj: Just make sure the disk is maked as clean when you mount it under Windows.
[08:45] <bob2> Ice9: did you undo everything you did yet, then put your X log and config file on the web somewhere?
[08:45] <cafuego> marked as clean
[08:45] <tomaj> thanx heaps cafuego
[08:45] <cafuego> tomaj: np
[08:45] <Elsidox> bob2: I know we should be using breezy but I couldnt wait. So I upgraded. Now when gdm trys to run I get this error "/etc/xll/x is nto executable" but I have made it executable
[08:46] <tomaj> cafuego how do you mean maked as clean?
[08:46] <bob2> chrismy: "enabled"? do you mean "How can I tell if I have the php4 mysql module installed and setup?"?
[08:46] <manish> how do i configure my gnome terminal to be a login shell?
[08:46] <cafuego> tomaj: Make sure it unmounts cleanly when Linux shuts down
[08:46] <Ice9> bob2, no because there's somebody with the same problem that hasn't been solved yet
[08:46] <giggsey> Is there an easy way to install GTK+ 2
[08:46] <bob2> Elsidox: that's a symlink, it's permissions don't matter
[08:46] <ekimus> manish: right click?
[08:46] <bob2> manish: look in their preferences menu
[08:46] <chrismy> bob2, i think so...i do not know the term what to call that :)
[08:46] <bob2> giggsey: install libgtk2.0-dev
[08:46] <cafuego> tomaj: if you hit reset, Linux would normally run fsck at bootup. If fsck NEEDS to be run, those windows utils will refuse to mount the partition.
[08:46] <tomaj> cafuego how do you ensure that? because when i shut down i get some didnt unmount error because some device was busy, not sure which device though so...
[08:46] <manish> jyes i read the INVOCATION section of bash shell - i just don't know how it get invoked from gdm
[08:46] <monoxide> cafuego, the boot up installer on the cd?
[08:46] <Elsidox> bob2: well im a newb to linux so could you explain to me? =)
[08:47] <ian> hello????
[08:47] <fluffybunny_> i'm having a problem with my help files - there don't seem to be any. Any time I click on Help in an application, either nothing happens, (or occasionally, I get error messages)
[08:47] <giggsey> bob2: so do it all from source?
[08:47] <ian> please help me..:(
[08:47] <bob2> chrismy: install php4-mysq. enjoy!
[08:47] <cafuego> tomaj: probably device 'none'
[08:47] <ekimus> manish: gdm does _NOT_ invoke bash
[08:47] <tomaj> cafuego oh ok so it just wont mount, well thats fine lol so long as it doesnt break it
[08:47] <bob2> Elsidox: reinstalling is the simplest soloution
[08:47] <ekimus> manish: gnome-terminal does that
[08:47] <tomaj> cafuego wtf is device none?
[08:47] <tomaj> lol
[08:47] <Elsidox> bob2: =( but than I wouldnt have breezy
[08:48] <giggsey> nvm bob2, I can get libgtk2.0-dev via apt-get
[08:48] <manish> ekimus: ok. do u know how i get gnome-terminal to call bash then?
[08:48] <ian> how do i put a short cut key menu of an application?
[08:48] <bob2> giggsey: yes
[08:48] <oceandead> you can get breezy .iso
[08:48] <Elsidox> bob2: I do know what a syslink is. I just dont know what to link.
[08:48] <bob2> Elsidox: yes, breezy is not ready for new users yet
[08:48] <ekimus> manish: no query please
[08:48] <Elsidox> oceandead: im out of blank disk
[08:48] <bob2> Elsidox: /usr/bin/X, I'd think
[08:49] <Elsidox> bob2: I would link that to what?
[08:49] <chrismy> bob2, i have done what was said in the ubuntu wiki. but i want to check whether or not MySQL is successfully setup
[08:49] <tomaj> booting to windows bbs
[08:49] <manish> ekimus: what do u mean by no query please? should i go read up on gnome-terminal to find that out?
[08:49] <ekimus> manish: right click in the gnome terminal and 'edit profile' (I'm not using english locales so I don't know the exact wording)
[08:49] <ekimus> manish: i mean do not message me
[08:50] <zoexi> hello
[08:50] <manish> ekimus: is gnome-terminal the one that opens up after i login on the console, with gnome as the window manager?
[08:50] <Ice9> I'm doomed!
[08:50] <Elsidox> Ice9: your not the only one
[08:50] <zoexi> can anyone give me media player advice?
[08:50] <giggsey> xmms
[08:51] <giggsey> -_-
[08:51] <Hikaru79> zoexi, for video I reccomend vlc highly.
[08:51] <zoexi> totem doesn't work,
[08:51] <ekimus> manish: just to make clear do you use gdm to log in or the console? (because you were talking about gdm before)
[08:51] <zoexi> ok,
[08:51] <Elsidox> zoexi: for video id use gxine
[08:51] <giggsey> zoexi: get XMMS, its the winamp of linux
[08:51] <Hikaru79> zoexi, vlc has all codecs built into the player, so you don't need to bother with tracking down all those divx, xvid, etc
[08:51] <anacron> giggsey: isn't there a real winamp for linux :D
[08:51] <bob2> Elsidox: er? you link the broken symlink to that.
[08:51] <giggsey> there is?
[08:51] <ian> hello ppl...please help me..how do i put a short cut key menu of an application?
[08:51] <giggsey> I read something about an alpha
[08:51] <anacron> i think you can get it somehow
[08:51] <bob2> chrismy: you need to be a lot more specific
[08:52] <bob2> chrismy: are yo utalking about the php mysql module? the mysql server? somrthing else?
[08:52] <oceandead> <- xmms, vlc and player
[08:52] <bob2> ian: depends on the applicaton
[08:52] <anacron> ian: right click?
[08:52] <manish> ekimus: i think it is gdm. I am using run level 5, and have the graphic (X) login screen. not the text based one - where you loging and then startx.
[08:52] <Elsidox> bob2: im so confused I guess ill just reinstall and stick with hory. Thanks for trying thow. Peace.
[08:52] <oceandead> *mplayer
[08:53] <ian> bob2: like i always use a ftp client and i installed it...i always...used terminal to access..the gftp..i want to put it in the menu... how do put in the menu?
[08:53] <ekimus> manish: ok so the procedure is: log in. start a gnome terminal (Applications, System...) and edit the curent profile. then under "title and command" (something like that) "run as login shell"
[08:53] <giggsey> configure: WARNING: *** TIFF loader will not be built (TIFF library not found) ***
[08:53] <giggsey> meh
[08:54] <chrismy> bob2, seriously i do not know what 'term' you call that therefore i can't be accurate.
[08:54] <manish> ekimus: Thanks. I will try that. Thanks for your help.
[08:54] <zcat[1] > quam: I have ubuntu on a beige p3 .. how do I emulate the other two mouse buttons.. something in xorg.conf ?
[08:54] <bob2> chrismy: so, explain exactly what you're hopinh to acheieve
[08:55] <zoexi> does vlc come precompiled?
[08:55] <zoexi> or must Ibuild it?
[08:55] <zcat[1] > anyone?
[08:55] <bimberi> ian: iirc gtfp gets put into Applications -> Internet
[08:55] <ekimus> zoexi: ubuntu is a binary distro
[08:56] <kevor> zoexi: it's not gentoo :P
[08:56] <oceandead> heh
[08:56] <zoexi> I tried to find it with aptitude
[08:56] <desrt> in a debian/control file how do i specify a dependency on version 0.8.3-* of a package?
[08:56] <zoexi> didn't work
[08:56] <kevor> just do apt-get update; apt-cache search vlc
[08:56] <desrt> like 0.8.3-0ubuntu27 is ok, but 0.8.4 is not
[08:56] <bob2> desrt: you can't
[08:57] <desrt> !
[08:57] <ubotu> desrt: Are you smoking crack?
[08:57] <desrt> blimey!
[08:57] <ekimus> desrt: logicall >0.8.4 ?
[08:57] <ekimus> logically
[08:57] <desrt> no. logically < 0.8.4
[08:57] <bob2> desrt: what are you trying to do?
[08:57] <chrismy> bob2, well i have several of this php/mysql tutorials. the php part is 'working' coz i see a list of 'something'(system info i pressume). well that is easy to check if php is 'working' by the test.php file as shown. as for the mysql part is very tough
[08:57] <ian> bimberi: no... there is no short cut in gftp..after installing
[08:57] <ekimus> err damn :)
[08:57] <desrt> bob2; depend on a specific upstream version
[08:57] <ekimus> i just _hate_ those typos
[08:58] <desrt> bob2; ie: either the upstream package will be held back or my package uninstalled
[08:58] <bob2> chrismy: write a simple php script that access a mysql db
[08:58] <chrismy> bob2, ermmmm how?
[08:59] <bob2> why are you setting up php if you don't know how to use it?
[08:59] <chrismy> bob2, the tutorials say i need to setup the database this and that...and that makes me very confused
[08:59] <bob2> chrismy: anyway, install php4-mysql, then go to #php, I suppose
[08:59] <Tomaj> cafuego how does it work?
[08:59] <chrismy> bob2, i did install that
[09:00] <desrt> i assume you want to install php4-cgi too
[09:00] <chrismy> bob2, oh you mean the channel ok
[09:00] <bob2> php4-cli now
[09:00] <yongzhi> anyone knows why does my vlc does not plays any sound but for other players it is working fine..
[09:00] <desrt> or even libapache2-mod-php4
[09:01] <desrt> ^ my personal fav
[09:01] <bob2> desrt: look at how other packages have done it
[09:01] <bob2> tho I can't find any examples now
[09:01] <bob2> if it's not in the debian new maintainer's guide, ask on the dev list
[09:01] <desrt> bob2; likewise -- which is why i ask :D
[09:01] <desrt> it's not.
[09:01] <desrt> i'll probably be able to find something
[09:02] <bob2> Depend foo > 0.8-1, Conflicts >0.8-999
[09:02] <bob2> or something
[09:02] <bob2> tho that's crap
[09:02] <monoxide> root@azriel:/home/matthew # mdadm --assemble --scan
[09:02] <monoxide> mdadm: error opening /dev/md0: No such file or directory
[09:02] <monoxide> the point is, i am trying to make /dev/md0.... can anyone help?
[09:02] <desrt> yes. quite evil, that is.
[09:02] <bob2> no, you're not trying to make it
[09:02] <bob2> you're trying to load the right module, so udev makes it for you
[09:03] <monoxide> heh, and which module is that?
[09:03] <gilv> how to install kubuntu when i have ubuntut ?
i'm trying to make it work
LIES!
[09:03] <desrt> gilv; apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:03] <bob2> gilv: #kubuntu, install kubuntu-desktop
[09:04] <giggsey> How would I get libjpeg
[09:04] <giggsey> the site listed for it on freshmeat is down
[09:04] <giggsey> (has no content)
[09:04] <bob2> giggsey: what are you compiling?
[09:04] <giggsey> gtk2+
[09:04] <bob2> and why are you doing it in the most painful way possible?
[09:04] <giggsey> gtk+2*
[09:04] <bob2> giggsey: dude, wtf
[09:05] <bob2> gtk2 is in Ubuntu
[09:05] <giggsey> o_O?
[09:05] <bob2> and you already have it installed
[09:05] <giggsey> when I try to install the cleerlooks that uses the engine, it says that it can't find it
[09:05] <bob2> no
[09:05] <bob2> it says it can't find the headers
[09:05] <bob2> so, aptitude install libgtk2.0-dev
[09:05] <bob2> which I did tell you an hour ago
[09:06] <monoxide> bob2, which module do i want then? udev?
[09:06] <giggsey> you said apt-get install libgtk...
[09:06] <giggsey> which I did
[09:06] <bob2> monoxide: no
[09:06] <bob2> perhaps the md module
[09:06] <monoxide> i have
[09:07] <bob2> 16:46:28 giggsey | Is there an easy way to install GTK+ 2
[09:07] <bob2> 16:46:49 @ bob2 | giggsey: install libgtk2.0-dev
[09:07] <bob2> 16:47:11 giggsey | bob2: so do it all from source?
[09:07] <bob2> 16:48:06 giggsey | nvm bob2, I can get libgtk2.0-dev via apt-get
[09:07] <bob2> 16:48:12 @ bob2 | giggsey: yes
[09:07] <zoexi> kevor,
[09:07] <monoxide> and the array is in the config file
[09:07] <giggsey> yeah
[09:07] <giggsey> bob2 so, aptitude install libgtk2.0-dev
[09:07] <zoexi> it doesn't work
[09:07] <bob2> giggsey: so, stop messing with the gtk source and explain what wasn't working after you installed that
[09:07] <zcat[1] > How do I right-click my one button mouse?!!
[09:07] <giggsey> nvm
[09:07] <giggsey> its working now
[09:07] <bob2> giggsey: oh, so you didn't install the package when I first suggested it?
[09:07] <giggsey> Yeah I did
[09:07] <bob2> zcat[1] : you need to use lots of punctuation
[09:07] <bob2> or else no one can answer you
[09:08] <kevor> "it doesnt work" zeoxi that is helping nothing
[09:08] <kevor> what is the output of apt-cache search vlc?
[09:08] <bob2> giggsey: also, dude, clearlooks is in ubuntu
[09:08] <giggsey> true
[09:08] <zcat[1] > anyone?
[09:08] <bob2> zcat[1] : presumably you tried f11 and f12?
[09:08] <giggsey> but the engine isn't
[09:08] <zcat[1] > no, I'll try..
[09:08] <oceandead> ah...
[09:08] <oceandead> oh nevermind
[09:08] <bob2> gtk2-engines-clearlooks - ClearLooks theme
[09:09] <bob2> giggsey: yes it is
[09:09] <giggsey> where
[09:09] <giggsey> lol
[09:09] <zcat[1] > AWESOM!!
[09:09] <kevor> zeoxi: apt-get install wxvlc
[09:09] <giggsey> in theme prefs
[09:09] <zcat[1] > that's all I needed. thanks!
[09:09] <kevor> or gnome-vlc
[09:09] <zcat[1] > (where is F11/F12 documented?)
[09:09] <bob2> it has nothing to do with "theme prefs"
[09:09] <kevor> or qvlc
[09:09] <monoxide> bob2, i have the md module active, and still nothing
[09:09] <bob2> monoxide: ok!
[09:10] <bob2> monoxide: which software raid howto are you reading?
[09:10] <monoxide> i couldnt find one on ubuntu.com
[09:10] <zoexi> ok, I have apt get troubles
[09:10] <bob2> so
[09:10] <monoxide> i set this all up in the installer and it didnt do it properly...
[09:10] <bob2> instead of using google
[09:10] <bob2> and finsding the howto
[09:10] <bob2> you spent an hour here?
[09:10] <c0rrupt__> finsdin
[09:11] <c0rrupt__>
[09:11] <kevor> zoexi: WHAT troubles
[09:11] <bob2> monoxide: read thw howto and make sure each step has already been correctly done
[09:12] <dubnium> anyone know how to solve an issue with xmms freezing when I open up a file?
[09:12] <bob2> dubnium: did you configure xmms to use esd?
[09:12] <c0rrupt__> alsa
[09:12] <kevor> zoexi: can't help you if you do not say what the output is when you run 'apt-get install gnome-vlc'
[09:12] <Doonz> anyone know why stream ripper would just close when im record a staion?
[09:12] <dubnium> bob2, I dont think so
[09:13] <bob2> dubnium: you'll need to do that then
[09:13] <bob2> Doonz: I've found mplayer to be a lot simpler
[09:13] <c0rrupt__> dubnium, my uses oss and it works fine,
[09:13] <dubnium> how does one go about esd config?
[09:13] <Doonz> mplayer records and splits the songs up like stream ripper does?
[09:13] <kevor> zoexi: don't pm me, but that's better, seems u need to go to /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:13] <dubnium> oss?
[09:13] <c0rrupt__> yea
[09:13] <bob2> Doonz: nope
[09:13] <topyli> Doonz: no, it's just a player
[09:13] <c0rrupt__> open xmms
[09:13] <dubnium> I dunno what it is
[09:13] <c0rrupt__> hit ctrl+p
[09:13] <bob2> dubnium: right click, preferences, output
[09:13] <Setite> kaffeine!!!!
[09:14] <c0rrupt__> then look at output plugin
[09:14] <Doonz> yeah i was specifically referring to the recording part
[09:14] <kevor> (nano /etc/apt/sources.list) and remove the # 's in front of deb www.*
[09:14] <c0rrupt__> tell me what is says
[09:14] <dubnium> oss is selected
[09:14] <zoexi> pm?
[09:14] <kevor> zoexi: then do apt-get update and then apt-get install gnome-vlc
[09:14] <c0rrupt__> try alsa
[09:14] <thoreauputic> Doonz: something like mplayer --streamdump IIRC
[09:14] <zoexi> it says package not found
[09:14] <kevor> yes i know that
[09:14] <kevor> read back what i said
[09:15] <Doonz> yeah that will just record the whole stream into 1 big ass file tho right?
[09:15] <dubnium> hmmm alsa givs the sound card trouble
[09:15] <oceandead> use an editor to split it up maybe?
[09:15] <c0rrupt__> hmm
[09:15] <c0rrupt__> you can only run 1 sound ap at a time
[09:15] <c0rrupt__> is there something else running using sound?
[09:15] <thoreauputic> Doonz: I think so - I prefer to use streamripper
[09:15] <dubnium> not at all
[09:15] <c0rrupt__> Hm
[09:15] <bob2> dubnium: as I said, esd is what you want
[09:16] <zcat[1] > mplayer -ao pcm -file=something.wav
[09:16] <Doonz> yeah but the terminal part when recording just closes for no reason
[09:16] <dubnium> how do I go about esd?
[09:16] <c0rrupt__> select it
[09:16] <c0rrupt__> in output plugins
[09:16] <dubnium> wonderful.. thanx fellas
[09:16] <c0rrupt__> works?
[09:16] <dubnium> sure does
[09:16] <zoexi> still says "Reading package lists... Done
[09:16] <zoexi> Building dependency tree... Done
[09:16] <zoexi> E: Couldn't find package gnome-vlc
[09:16] <zoexi> "
[09:16] <c0rrupt__> thanks bob2..
[09:16] <dubnium> this new laptop is getting better
[09:16] <itay> I got an error while configuring: "Fatal - can't find OpenGL Libraries - Stopping here."
[09:16] <c0rrupt__> thank*
[09:17] <itay> what should I install?
[09:17] <zcat[1] > brb; gonna see if i can use irc in yasr :-)
[09:17] <jimd> I have a question about the LiveCD; is there an LTSP or terminal server module for it?
[09:17] <kevor> zoexi: did you 'nano /etc/apt/sources.list' ? and remvoed the # in front of the repositories?
[09:18] <kevor> hoary universe needs to be un#-ed
[09:18] <zoexi> I try that now ...
[09:18] <dubnium> I do have another question though.... is there support for built in card readers?
[09:18] <dubnium> havent found much on the forums..
[09:19] <zoexi> shoud I enable all of them?
[09:20] <bob2> dubnium: readers of what?
[09:20] <dubnium> card readers... its a 6-in-1
[09:20] <kevor> zeoxi: you can, but don't install everything you see
[09:20] <dubnium> digital media
[09:20] <bob2> dubnium: depends on the laptop model then
[09:20] <zcat[1] > hmm, almost useable in epic4 -d'
[09:20] <dubnium> this is true
[09:21] <dubnium> i read there may not be support in the kernel...
[09:21] <kevor> zoexi: make sure you save, you can only save as root
[09:21] <zoexi> yeah, i got that wrong the first time
[09:22] <kevor> :P
[09:22] <zoexi> i think it might work now
[09:22] <kevor> ok, now go for it :P 'apt-get update'
[09:22] <zoexi> does aptitude use the same list?
[09:22] <zoexi> cause i like it better
[09:22] <kevor> yes, synaptic too, they are both frontends for the apt-get
[09:22] <zcat[1] > should so
[09:23] <kevor> for now zoexi, just run 'apt-get update ; apt-get install gnome-vlc'
[09:23] <kevor> i like wxvlc better, but that's personal
[09:23] <zcat[1] > synaptic is too nice; I end up installing bunckes of crap just 'cos it's soo easy to tick everything that looks like it might be fun to play with..
[09:23] <zoexi> yeah, it's working, awesome
[09:23] <zoexi> thanks
[09:23] <kevor> whohoho i helped \o/
[09:23] <kevor> ;) np
[09:24] <Orborde> How do I change the system name?
[09:24] <Doonz> hey does ubuntu have like a host file??
[09:24] <nightswim> /etc/hostname
[09:24] <cafuego> Doonz: No.
[09:24] <kevor> hostname [name]
[09:24] <nightswim> /etc/hosts
[09:25] <cafuego> Doonz: it DOES hoever have an ACTUAL host file.
[09:25] <kevor> Orborde: hostname [name]
[09:26] <Doonz> doe i have to reload that file?
[09:26] <cafuego> Doonz: nope
[09:26] <Doonz> kool
[09:26] <cafuego> Doonz: changes take effect immediately. Note that dnsutils tools like 'host' do NOT use it.
[09:27] <Doonz> k well it fixed my problem thanx guys
[09:27] <pello> hi
[09:27] <pello> just installed ubuntu
[09:27] <eliUbuntu> anyone know of a program that allows you to watch a movie and load a subtitle file to go along with it?
[09:27] <pello> how can i login as root
[09:27] <eliUbuntu> something like bsplayer in windows?
[09:27] <Chousuke> pello: use sudo -s
[09:28] <dubnium> pello, great isnt it?
[09:28] <sn0n> hey all
[09:28] <pello> very nice
[09:28] <LMX> eliUbuntu, mplayer or xine
[09:28] <Chousuke> !sudo
[09:28] <ubotu> somebody said sudo was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:28] <eliUbuntu> how do you load a subtitle into xine? i see that you can see subtitles if you're playing a dvd film. im loading a divx film
[09:29] <eliUbuntu> would that make difference?
[09:29] <i4> can someone explain to me how how to fix this error? The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:29] <i4> gstreamer0.8-lame: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu14 is to be installed
[09:29] <dubnium> yesterday i installed kubuntu-amd64, what a mess so know im running hoary-i386
[09:30] <dubnium> like gnome mucher better
[09:30] <i4> me too.
[09:30] <thoreauputic> i4: you're using 3rd party repositories, aren't you ?
[09:30] <i4> thoreauputic: some
[09:30] <thoreauputic> i4: therein lies your problem
[09:31] <giggsey> I've added a launcher to the desktop, however, it needs sudo to run, so I've added that, but when I run it, a terminal pops up asking for the sudo password, how would I get around that?
[09:31] <gilv> where can i find a page to install all necessary packages to be able to play avi videos, realplayer radio, dvds.... ?
[09:31] <Orborde> kevor, Thanks.
[09:31] <dubnium> hmmm what to config next, anyone get bluetooth working with a pda?
[09:31] <LMX> eliUbuntu, i dont have xine installed installed atm, and i dont remeber, but i think theres something like open->subtitle in the menu
[09:32] <eliUbuntu> LMX thanks for your help. i will look into it
[09:32] <LMX> no problem :)
[09:35] <Madpilot> !tell gilv about restricted
[09:35] <Madpilot> gilv: follow the URL ubotu just sent you
[09:35] <setite> yay! autohinting makes my eyes happy
[09:36] <zoexi> hey again,
[09:36] <zoexi> dvd video is choppy,
[09:37] <zoexi> any suggestions?
[09:37] <Madpilot> zoexi: got DMA enabled?
[09:37] <Madpilot> !dma
[09:37] <Madpilot> !+dma
[09:37] <ubotu> dma is probably Direct Memory Access/Addressing. A method of transferring data from one memory area to another without having to go through the central processing unit. It makes your hard disks run faster :-). DMA from the ubuntu wiki guide https://wiki.ubuntu.com//DMA
[09:37] <zoexi> how do I know?
[09:37] <Madpilot> zoexi: check that URL, it'll show you
[09:38] <Madpilot> show you how to check, that is...
[09:39] <i4> does ubuntu play .m4a files?
[09:40] <giggsey> does anyone know an answer to my problem?
[09:40] <puskom_cari> is a dos emulator include in ubuntu cd's
[09:42] <omp342> how can i install a mouse theme
[09:43] <jimd> I have a question about the LiveCD; is there an LTSP or terminal server module for it?
[09:43] <Madpilot> puskom_cari: dosbox is in ubuntu's repos, I don't think it's installed by default though
[09:44] <Madpilot> omp342: I think "gcursor" is what you want - it's in the repos, have a look in Synaptic...
[09:45] <giggsey> !xmms
[09:45] <ubotu> giggsey: Wish i knew
[09:45] <giggsey> -_-
[09:46] <giggsey> umm, i've got to manually set my root password
[09:46] <giggsey> whats the file that stores them
[09:46] <giggsey> /etc/shadow?
[09:46] <Madpilot> giggsey: you do know that there's no root by default in Ubuntu?
[09:46] <giggsey> no root account...
[09:46] <eliUbuntu> LMX it worked. you just have to have the subtitle file the same name as the movie file
[09:46] <Madpilot> Ubuntu encourages sudo instead
[09:46] <Madpilot> !sudo
[09:46] <ubotu> I guess sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:46] <giggsey> but I need to get into some admin sections to edit
[09:47] <Madpilot> giggsey: see ubotu ^^^
[09:47] <omp342> Madpilot: thanks :D
[09:47] <LMX> eliUbuntu, okey :>
[09:47] <eliUbuntu> thanks
[09:47] <Madpilot> omp342: no problem
[09:47] <jimd> !LTSP
[09:47] <ubotu> jimd: I haven't a clue
[09:47] <jimd> !terminal server
[09:47] <ubotu> jimd: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[09:48] <giggsey> thanks Madpilot
[09:48] <zoexi> hey,
[09:48] <omp342> do you guys think it would be a bad idea to switch to gentoo
[09:49] <zoexi> looks much better
[09:49] <zoexi> thanks
[09:49] <thoreauputic> omp342: yes ;-)
[09:49] <omp342> ive heard a lot of good things about gentoo, but i heard its unsecure unless you make it secure yourself
[09:49] <Madpilot> omp342: this is #ubuntu, we're not exactly impartial... ;)
[09:49] <omp342> =]
[09:49] <kevor> zoexi: what looks much better
[09:50] <hondje> gentoo hardened is the shit, but gentoo makes a lousy desktop distro in my book
[09:50] <kevor> get one..
[09:50] <Madpilot> !themes
[09:50] <ubotu> methinks themes is at http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/ - http://www.guistyles.com
[09:50] <Chousuke> omp342: Do you want to compile all your programs?
[09:50] <Madpilot> giggsey: ubotu to the rescue ^^^
[09:50] <omp342> i don't even know how to :D
[09:50] <omp342> lol
[09:50] <Chousuke> omp342: Then gentoo is not for you.
[09:50] <omp342> so i assume i should stay with ubuntu
[09:50] <omp342> :)
[09:50] <omp342> yah
[09:51] <Chousuke> gentoo spends a lot of time compiling.
[09:51] <omp342> the only problem is
[09:51] <omp342> i've been having trouble
[09:51] <omp342> getting wine to work
[09:51] <kevor> well, emerge $packet is n't much different from apt-get install $packet
[09:51] <osfa> yar, me too
[09:51] <Chousuke> kevor: except it takes a lot longer.
[09:51] <hondje> on the surface
[09:51] <kevor> true :)
[09:51] <osfa> wine 20050725 appears to be completely borken on ubuntu
[09:51] <hondje> they both have their good points
[09:51] <osfa> at least, in that winetools can't do the config
[09:51] <kevor> Chousuke: portage has a bigger DB pf programs
[09:51] <kevor> of*
[09:51] <Chousuke> not really.
[09:52] <Chousuke> not officially at least.
[09:52] <kevor> COM isn't in the repository :P
[09:52] <kevor> MOC
[09:52] <kevor> :P
[09:52] <Chousuke> and there's craploads of unofficial .debs too
[09:52] <kevor> of ubuntu, it is in emerge :P
[09:52] <hondje> yeah
[09:52] <hondje> lot of commercial packages come in rpm and deb
[09:52] <Madpilot> there's 16,000+ things in Ubuntu's repos. how much crap does any one computer really need? ;)
[09:52] <Chousuke> even if you can download a 2Mb source package in 2 seconds with your T1, you'll still have to wait a couple minutes for it to compile.
[09:52] <giggsey> !icons
[09:52] <ubotu> giggsey: Bugger all, i dunno
[09:52] <giggsey> pfft
[09:53] <kevor> yes, but what about deps, Ubuntu has all stable (means old) versions :)
[09:53] <Madpilot> giggsey: most of those theme sites have icon themes as well
[09:53] <kevor> so most .debs are not installable becuzza deps problems
[09:53] <hondje> um
[09:53] <hondje> that has nothing to do with 'old' versions
[09:53] <kevor> but that's what makes ubuntu this great, it just works. but not great if you wanna test bleeding edge software
[09:53] <lennart_> how does linux handel floppys? I want to copy files to a floppy. Gnome mount's it and I can see the content in nautilus. But when I copy a file to the floppy it dont end up "ON" the floppy. It end up in the mount point directory on the harddrive. What can I do to change this?
[09:53] <hondje> that has to do with hoary diverging from debian more than expected
[09:53] <srbaker> does anyone here have a *working* sources.list line for hoary-extras?
[09:54] <kevor> mount /dev/floppy :P
[09:54] <giggsey> I know Madpilot, I just want to instal one, lol
[09:54] <thoreauputic> srbaker: sure
[09:54] <hondje> lennart_: that's on the floppy
[09:54] <eliUbuntu> anyone here using e17?
[09:54] <srbaker> thoreauputic, please and thank you :)
[09:54] <hondje> umount it and you'll see it's still on it if you try again
[09:54] <lennart_> hondje, ....files
[09:54] <Madpilot> srbaker: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto <-- bottom of this page
[09:55] <c0rrupt__> !hax
[09:55] <ubotu> c0rrupt__: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[09:55] <Madpilot> works for me, anyway
[09:55] <thoreauputic> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse
[09:55] <thoreauputic> restricted
[09:55] <hondje> cp foo /media/floppy copies foo to the floppy (assuming that's your mount pnt)
[09:55] <kevor> lennart_: mount /dev/fd0
[09:55] <thoreauputic> srbaker: hmm - restricted on the same line of course
[09:55] <srbaker> thank you
[09:56] <c0rrupt__> mmm
[09:56] <kevor> lennart_: or else it will not be mounted, and the /media/floppy is just an empty shell
[09:56] <c0rrupt__> my ding ding dong
[09:56] <hondje> kevor: he said it automounts fine
[09:56] <kevor> floppies don't automount :)
[09:56] <hondje> no, hotplug does the voodoo, but it's the same thing to the user
[09:56] <i4> does anybody know about or have any links to dramatic gnome-dektop changes?
[09:56] <hondje> well, gnome adds voodoo too
[09:57] <kevor> gnome-volume-manager does not check for floppies :)
[09:57] <hondje> then how did I get it to do it for me?
[09:57] <kevor> hotplug prolly :)
[09:57] <co-fanky> hy
[09:58] <puskom_cari> i've extract xpde in my cd and i wann to install it to my computers how can i do that
[09:58] <owtput> good evening gents
[09:58] <omp342> if i changed my cursor, would i need to log out and in for it to take effect?
[09:58] <thoreauputic> omp342: yes, I expect you need to restart x, so logging out/in would do it
[09:58] <Madpilot> hmmm... my floppy drive just "automounts" - and I know I haven't written anything odd to make it happen...
[09:59] <srbaker> does gstreamer use /usr/lib/win32/ codecs?
[09:59] <omp342> okay
[09:59] <omp342> that means ill brb
[09:59] <kevor> Madpilot: you mean it just starts reading when you plug it in?
[09:59] <thoreauputic> srbaker: no
[09:59] <srbaker> damn
[09:59] <djoek> hi everyone
[09:59] <owtput> run irssi in a screen session
[09:59] <thoreauputic> srbaker: you need totem-xine or similar
[09:59] <hondje> That makes two of us
[09:59] <thoreauputic> srbaker: or mplayer
[09:59] <zoexi> hi again
[09:59] <srbaker> thoreauputic, yeah, getting now.
[09:59] <kevor> hi zoexi
[10:00] <zoexi> i get no audio from vlc,
[10:00] <giggsey> How would I add like applet things to my desktop, like clock/calender etc.
[10:00] <djoek> who's up for some should-work-but-doesn't oddness ?
[10:00] <kevor> zoexi: select the right output plugin in the Preferences
[10:00] <Madpilot> kevor: pretty sure. I've used about two floppies in the four months I've used Ubuntu, but they've both "just worked"...
[10:00] <puskom_cari> how to install xpde from cd
[10:00] <srbaker> i'm not getting any sound in totem
[10:00] <lennart_> how do I mount a floppy so the all users (not just root) can remove/write files
[10:00] <srbaker> anyone else having this problem?
[10:00] <srbaker> trying to play an avi
[10:01] <kevor> ok... well i added some code to my g-v-m, never found a floppy part :P but then again, i do'nt have floppies :D
[10:01] <lennart_> that
[10:01] <kevor> or a drive for that matter
[10:01] <Madpilot> srbaker: assume you've got codecs installed?
[10:01] <Madpilot> !avi
[10:01] <ubotu> Madpilot: I don't know, could you explain it?
[10:01] <Madpilot> !mp3
[10:01] <ubotu> from memory, mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[10:01] <srbaker> Madpilot, yeah. the video plays fine. just no sound in totem
[10:01] <giggsey> How would I add like applet things to my desktop, like clock/calender etc.???????
[10:01] <hondje> giggsey: look into gdesklets
[10:01] <lennart_> ls
[10:01] <zoexi> linux oss?
[10:02] <giggsey> thanks hondje
[10:02] <srbaker> sound works fine otherwise. just not in xine
[10:02] <srbaker> sigh
[10:02] <kevor> zoexi: try a little, see what works :P
[10:03] <omp342> when i press backspace when theres no more stuff to delete in terminal my computer makes a beep noise
[10:03] <omp342> can i turn that off
[10:03] <kevor> The biggest downside on Linux is the audio.. cards not supported, volume on 0 by default, ALSA OSS ESD; it's all so unclear and confusing
[10:03] <kevor> yes omp342 pull out the speakercable from ur mobo
[10:04] <kevor> or put "Speaker" on 0 in alsamixer
[10:04] <hondje> last -adn15
[10:04] <thoreauputic> kevor: a bit drastic when gnome-terminal has an option to silence beeps ;)
[10:04] <Chousuke> kevor: there's a good reason for volume to be on 0 by default
[10:04] <hondje> bah
[10:04] <Chousuke> kevor: it prevents accidental aural damage.
[10:04] <srbaker> anyone have any suggestions about why sound doesn't work in totem for avis/
[10:05] <srbaker> ?
[10:05] <srbaker> works everywhere else
[10:05] <n1xt3r> omp342: set bell-style visible in your .inputrc
[10:05] <Chousuke> unsupported sound codec.
[10:05] <srbaker> Chousuke, that's not it
[10:05] <Chousuke> srbaker: Are you sure?
[10:06] <Rebs> how do you extract from an exe?
[10:06] <thoreauputic> srbaker: do you get sound with other formats?
[10:06] <srbaker> Chousuke, positive
[10:06] <djoek> i have a creative webcam go plus, it registers as a usb device, i can load the ov511 driver and the cpia_usb too, everything works, yet nothing shows up in /proc/cpia. ideas?
[10:06] <srbaker> thoreauputic, i don't ahve any other formats to test
[10:06] <thoreauputic> Rebs: exe??
[10:06] <Chousuke> srbaker: .avi is not even a format.
[10:06] <Rebs> yea tryna get some inf fiels out of an exe for my bcmwl5 for ndiswrapper
[10:06] <thoreauputic> right, avi is a container
[10:06] <Rebs> files* too
[10:06] <omp342> nlxt3r: can you tell me what to do in more detail. i just installed ubuntu today
[10:06] <Chousuke> srbaker: does the sound work with other players?
[10:06] <srbaker> Chousuke, i don't need to get into a semantic argument.
[10:06] <Chousuke> with the same files.
[10:06] <srbaker> Chousuke, no. sound does not work in totem at all
[10:07] <srbaker> yes. there is sound in these files
[10:07] <Chousuke> hmm.
[10:07] <srbaker> i was watching them on my debian installation on the same box today
[10:07] <Chousuke> it might be using some sound driver that isn't working. like ESD, and you have ESD disabled or something.
[10:07] <thoreauputic> srbaker: do you have any ogg files or mp3s ? You can play those with totem to test sound...
[10:07] <srbaker> right. i have no idea how to config xine
[10:07] <Rebs> anybody know how to extractr files from an *.exe?
[10:08] <srbaker> thoreauputic, sound works!
[10:08] <srbaker> thoreauputic, i'm getting sounds
[10:08] <srbaker> just not in totem
[10:08] <Chousuke> srbaker: it's probably an unsupported codec.
[10:08] <Chousuke> :P
[10:08] <srbaker> Chousuke, it's *NOT*
[10:08] <Chousuke> totem supports different things than other players.
[10:08] <kevor> srbaker: isn't totem-xine the solution to that?
[10:08] <srbaker> aha, i fixed it
[10:08] <Madpilot> not all .avi files are created equal, I think...
[10:08] <thoreauputic> srbaker: could be an esd problem, of course (/me hates esd)
[10:09] <hondje> esd goes bye bye in 2.12
[10:09] <srbaker> no, for some reason, totem-xine wants gstreamer0.8-mad. what the hell?
[10:09] <n1xt3r> omp342: inside terminal: cd; echo "set bell-style visible" >.inputrc
[10:09] <omp342> okay
[10:09] <omp342> thanks
[10:09] <thoreauputic> srbaker: erm.... totem-xine uses the xine engine - that's weird...
[10:10] <Chousuke> hondje: Yay
[10:10] <omp342> do i just do that, or should i do sudo -i first?
[10:10] <kevor> omp342: no, for the user you want it to be for
[10:10] <srbaker> yeah, no shit
[10:11] <omp342> ok
[10:11] <kevor> omp342: if you want root-terminals to do it also, login as root; cd ; echo "set blabla"
[10:11] <omp342> hmm do i have to log out and in for it to take effect?
[10:11] <Chousuke> uh.
[10:11] <Chousuke> I wonder if it is sane to use > for the redirecion
[10:11] <Chousuke> +t
[10:11] <Chousuke> it overwrites any existing content.
[10:12] <Chousuke> use >> to append.
[10:12] <omp342> brb
[10:12] <LMX> is there any way to change default port in gnome-bittorrent?
[10:13] <kevor> hmm Chousuke using > isn't smart idd :)
[10:13] <kevor> echo "repossieline" > /etc/apt/src.list
[10:13] <kevor> :P
[10:14] <kevor> *fuckt*
[10:14] <thoreauputic> kevor: no such file or directory - fortunately
[10:14] <Chousuke> ould fail without sudo anyway
[10:14] <Chousuke> would*
[10:14] <kevor> yeh, did that on purpose so nobody could mimic me, trying to see what it'd do
[10:14] <azriel0184> can someone explain this to me: /dev/md0 276G 2.7G 259G 2% /home
[10:14] <azriel0184> 259+2.7 = 262GB. what happened to the other 4GB?
[10:15] <omp342> it worked :D
[10:15] <thoreauputic> also would need to be piped through sudo tee in fact
[10:15] <omp342> it doesn't make the noise anymore
[10:15] <omp342> you guys are so helpful :)
[10:15] <kevor> 5% is used for administrative thingies on ext3
[10:16] <azriel0184> aah,m of course... i should have known that... but its not enough to show up on my other harddrives :)
[10:18] <omp342> is there a way to get the fonts in websites to look like it does in windows?
[10:19] <omp342> i already have msttcorefonts installed
[10:20] <thoreauputic> omp342: maybe websites coded for IE ? dunno
[10:20] <Madpilot> omp342: you can probably change which fonts FF uses to display; I know I can change that in Opera
[10:21] <LinuxDolt> i'm having trouble getting printer sharing with windows working
[10:21] <omp342> well i use both firefox in windows and ubuntu
[10:21] <omp342> hmm
[10:22] <omp342> does anyone know the defualt font for firefox
[10:22] <omp342> in windows
[10:22] <zoexi> ok,
[10:22] <Madpilot> omp342: probably Times New Roman for normal serifed text, but that's just a guess. You should be able to check in FF's configs somewhere
[10:22] <zoexi> xmms is now broken
[10:23] <gsuveg> re
[10:23] <zoexi> it won't even open
[10:23] <omp342> times new roman is definately not the web browsing font in windows
[10:23] <omp342> that would look horrible
[10:23] <thoreauputic> omp342: have a look in edit- prefs - general - fonts & colours
[10:23] <LinuxDolt> xmms has always been broken, switch to beep already ;)
[10:23] <thoreauputic> in FF
[10:23] <kevor> zoexi: it might be crashed somewhere in the background, just run killal -9 xmms
[10:23] <omp342> yah im looking, but i dont know what to set it to
[10:23] <kevor> killall -9 xmms
[10:23] <omp342> =/
[10:23] <omp342> btw should i turn Subpixel Smoothing on
[10:23] <omp342> if im using a LCD monitor
[10:24] <Madpilot> I need to sleep this beer off - good night, all
[10:24] <thoreauputic> omp342: yes, for LCD it should be on I think
[10:24] <omp342> ok its on now :)
[10:24] <zoexi> whoa, magic
[10:24] <gsuveg> anybody know a icewm sdeb ?
[10:24] <zoexi> what does the -9 flag mean?
[10:24] <LinuxDolt> it's not a flag
[10:25] <LinuxDolt> read the manpage
[10:25] <LinuxDolt> it tells killall what kind of kill to send the program
[10:25] <thoreauputic> zoexi: kill uses various signals like -9 and -15
[10:26] <kevor> use -3 if you want to exit the program normally
[10:26] <kevor> without destroying non-saved info
[10:26] <zoexi> I see
[10:26] <cse_> Hey all.. I'm having trouble with my apache and samba.. I have set ports 22,135-139, and 80 to my linux box and I can see it from other computers using the router but I can't see it remotely from the internet. Any ideas?
[10:26] <kevor> kill -l gives a list of numbers :)
[10:27] <cse_> ssh works, but http and the samba ports show up as stealth
[10:28] <zoexi> ok, xmms crashes when i try to play mp3,
[10:28] <LinuxDolt> so, has anyone figured out how to share a printer out in samba from ubuntu? i keep looking through the forums, wiki, and various online sources, but they all amount to saying it's easier than it's being for me
[10:28] <omp342> how can i add a shortcut to my home folder onto my desktop? :)
[10:28] <thoreauputic> cse_: do you have a webserver running? The port won't be availble unless a service is running...
[10:28] <zoexi> cd audio works fine,
[10:28] <osfa> omp342, Places->Home Folder ?
[10:28] <cse_> thoreauputic, yes, the internal computers 192.168* can see it
[10:28] <cse_> thoreauputic, I'm thinking its my router.. damned thing
[10:29] <omp342> i mean i want to add a shortcut to the actual desktop background thing
[10:29] <omp342> not have to use the menu all the time
[10:29] <thoreauputic> cse_: ah - have you forwarded the ports?
[10:29] <cse_> I tried running that hacked firmware on my WRT54G and i borked it! heh back to the linksys firewall
[10:29] <cse_> Yeah, I have.. I'm going to try to disable its 'firewall', one sec
[10:30] <thoreauputic> omp342: make a launcher with the command nautilus /home/omp342
[10:30] <thoreauputic> or whatever your user name is...
[10:30] <cse_> thoreauputic, nope, still doesn't work.. any ideas? Ports are forwarded, I know this for sure.
[10:31] <kevor> LinuxDolt: has Bmp the same shortcuts as xmms?
[10:31] <LinuxDolt> kevor: shortcuts?
[10:31] <kevor> like "J" to search for a song
[10:31] <kevor> Q to queue
[10:31] <thoreauputic> cse_: hmm - are you using a firewall/iptables on the box running the servers?
[10:31] <cse_> thoreauputic, nope
[10:32] <omp342> ok thanks thoreauputic
[10:32] <LinuxDolt> it doesn't have a built-in search, you have to get a plugin. last i knew xmms needed a plugin too
[10:32] <thoreauputic> cse_: running out of ideas here ... ;)
[10:32] <kevor> nope :)
[10:32] <ompaul> I hate this: E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? <<== because, it is really should say check to see if you have another process using it, it already identified that the lock file was unavailable, gha :)
[10:33] <cse_> thoreauputic, hrmm.. do ISPs actively filter port 80?
[10:33] <osfa> omp342, I think you can also set a shortcut key to open your home folder
[10:33] <thoreauputic> cse_: oh, yes - often
[10:33] <kevor> what's the packet called in the ubuntu repossies?
[10:33] <ompaul> cse_, some do some don't :-)
[10:33] <LinuxDolt> kevor: is xmms gtk2 yet?
[10:33] <thoreauputic> cse_: and 139 etc (samba)
[10:33] <kevor> nope, gtk still
[10:33] <Nermal> LinuxDolt, no.. use beep-media-player
[10:33] <Nermal> gtk2 port of xmms
[10:34] <cse_> grr, exactly the ports I wanted to use
[10:34] <LinuxDolt> it's not a port, it's a fork, and i already use it
[10:34] <Nermal> pendantic asshole
[10:34] <LinuxDolt> it's got a few other differences from xmms now
[10:34] <Nermal> urgh
[10:35] <Sly> hey all, been a while since i been sat at my ubuntu desktop, damn how ive missed it =D
[10:37] <kevor> ah man, beep -l 9999999 -f 10000 will get you REALLY crazy :)
[10:37] <Sly> lmao
[10:38] <kevor> or make it run @ 15000 just on the edge of what you can hear
[10:38] <Determinist> ls
[10:38] <Determinist> erm
[10:38] <kevor> automatically when you install someones pc :P
[10:38] <Determinist> oops
[10:38] <Sly> sorry linux dolt i personally cant help you :)
[10:38] <dubnium> hell ya.. got a bluetooth sync working with my clie
[10:38] <Determinist> cursed irssi , looks like a damned terminal lol
[10:39] <thoreauputic> Determinist: because it runs in one, yes ;)
[10:39] <Determinist> thoreauputic: :P
[10:39] <thoreauputic> Determinist: get a colourful theme ;)
[10:42] <Sly> damn realy has been a while. whats the other name that ocmpanies nvida-glx ............. nvidia-glx-config
[10:42] <Sly> or somthin along them lines
[10:43] <owtput> hi guys, is there an allocated-"dump" channel for ubuntu ircers?
[10:43] <LinuxDolt> nvidia-common or something like that i think
[10:43] <owtput> and are any of you on the chan atm?
[10:43] <LinuxDolt> read the topic, it's a web page
[10:44] <ompaul> !tell owtput about pastebin
[10:44] <owtput> pedantic
[10:44] <owtput> ta, ompaul
[10:45] <wickedpuppy> wha
[10:45] <wickedpuppy> 32 gig
[10:45] <kevor> LinuxDolt: thank you for giving me BMP.. now i gotta reprogram g-v-m, hardcoded the commands runned when inserting cd's in there :(
[10:45] <owtput> Doonz: stop or you'll go blind
[10:45] <wickedpuppy> might as well do dd
[10:45] <Doonz> i kno
[10:45] <wickedpuppy> lol
[10:45] <wickedpuppy> what is it btw ... all the songs of elvis ?
[10:46] <LinuxDolt> kevor: haha. i didn't TELL you to use it, just said it's what i use
[10:46] <owtput> sorry, i have one line to paste:
[10:46] <owtput> trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/gamma_dri.so', which is also in package xlibmesa-dri
[10:46] <Sly> Sighs restart x
[10:46] <kevor> :'(
[10:46] <kevor> it's your fault, now die :P
[10:46] <owtput> this is upon upgrading libgl1-xorg-dri
[10:46] <kevor> it's a lot slower though, don't think i'm gonna use it
[10:46] <kevor> a LOT slower
[10:46] <LinuxDolt> what's your system specs?
[10:46] <pitti> kevor: what do you want to change in g-v-m?
[10:46] <kevor> this is just a mediaPC
[10:47] <kevor> www.kev0r.nl/upload/code
[10:47] <Doonz> naw simpsons
[10:47] <kevor> hardcored a popupscreen that gives you options on what to do with the removable media
[10:47] <pitti> kevor: the CD commands are not hardcoded, you can change them in system->preferences->removable media
[10:47] <kevor> i know, but i needed USB options and CDrom with data
[10:48] <kevor> gnome-volume-properties does not give me enough
[10:48] <kevor> plus i wanted users to choose what to do with the mp3's on the disk
[10:50] <zoexi> does anyone know things about sound sinks?
[10:51] <Sly> frozen-bubble !
[10:51] <kevor> Sly: apt-get chromium
[10:51] <kevor> it's nice too :P
[10:51] <zoexi> er, audio sinks?
[10:52] <kemik> should it really take 1-2 minutes to mount a NFS share?
[10:52] <Sly> isnt that some shotting game ?
[10:52] <kevor> yes
[10:52] <Ng> kevor: no
[10:52] <nightswim> kemik: no, you miss a running daemon
[10:52] <Sly> consider it apt-getd already
[10:52] <kevor> Ng what no
[10:52] <kemik> nightswim: on the client?
[10:53] <Sly> i only install frozen-bubble to keep the girlfriend happ
[10:53] <Sly> y
[10:53] <Ng> kevor: an NFS share should mount pretty quickly. how are you mounting it? can you ping the server? are there any firewalls in the way? and do you have portmap installed? :)
[10:53] <kevor> ey f-u, i'm not mounting anyting
[10:53] <Sly> wow i lik eit
[10:53] <Zaphod> hi all.
[10:53] <kevor> i know you would Sly
[10:53] <Zaphod> I am having a problem...
[10:54] <Zaphod> I just installed UBUNTU, and the only resolution I can get is 640x480
[10:54] <kevor> idd, could not find an r-type like game
[10:54] <Ng> kevor: sorry, I meant kemik ;)
[10:54] <kevor> :P
[10:54] <Zaphod> how do I get more resolution options?
[10:54] <omp342> am i stupid if i have trouble installing wine?
[10:54] <omp342> :D
[10:54] <Ng> get less almost identical nicks! ;)
[10:54] <thoreauputic> !fixres
[10:54] <ubotu> fixres is, like, totally, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[10:54] <kemik> hehe
[10:54] <kemik> ke-tabcompletion ;)
[10:54] <kevor> ubotu is cute :)
[10:54] <ubotu> kevor: Syntax error in line 1
[10:54] <Zaphod> thanks
[10:54] <poningru> ubotu is lame
[10:54] <ubotu> poningru: I don't know, could you explain it?
[10:55] <thoreauputic> !good bot
[10:55] <ubotu> thanks thoreauputic :)
[10:55] <kevor> ubotu: for ((;;));/msg #ubuntu I r cute;done
[10:55] <ubotu> kevor: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[10:55] <kemik> Ng: the box that got the mounts is acting NAT/Firewall so i've disabled ping (even from inside the network) but everything else is fine so the FW isnt "in the way"
[10:55] <kevor> ubotu: talking shit ey?
[10:55] <ubotu> I don't know, kevor
[10:55] <hubsi> back in business
[10:55] <kemik> Ng: i dont run portmap on the client
[10:56] <kevor> ubotu: you should know
[10:56] <ubotu> kevor: Do they come in packets of five?
[10:56] <kevor> ubotu: no ffs, now shuttup
[10:56] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, kevor
[10:56] <LinuxDolt> lol
[10:56] <Ng> kemik: you may well want to install nfs-common
[10:56] <Zaphod> another question... When I installed, it never asked for a root password?
[10:56] <cse_> Well, I got the word from my ISP. They block web and samba.. I know how to change apache's port, but can I change samba's port and have it work seamlessly?
[10:57] <kevor> true
[10:57] <Zaphod> how do I su to root?
[10:57] <kevor> !sudo
[10:57] <thoreauputic> !root
[10:57] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[10:57] <ubotu> somebody said sudo was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:57] <Zaphod> aha.. thanks
[10:57] <Zaphod> you guys are good....
[10:57] <kevor> ubotu is too cute :D
[10:57] <ubotu> kevor: I give up, what is it?
[10:57] <kemik> Ng: thanks :) now it's working as it should *doh*.. i had this working before i re-installed this client, but obviously i forgot a step.. :)
[10:58] <Ng> kemik: :)
[10:58] <Sly> jeesus
[10:59] <Sly> the 1st level is abit hard with them red spoinner things
[11:00] <kevor> Sly: Get the updates, but not the Yellow one, if you let it pass it'll give you an extra live
[11:00] <kevor> life
[11:01] <Sly> ill deffinitly be playing that for an hour somtime today
[11:01] <kevor> that's not gonna happen, there are only 4 weapons :(
[11:01] <kevor> gets boring fast
[11:02] <Sly> im simple minded =\
[11:02] <kemik> doom3 !
[11:02] <kemik> it scares me shitless :/
[11:02] <Sly> lol
[11:03] <kemik> have you tried it Sly ?
[11:03] <omp342> is there any guide for installing wine in ubuntu?
[11:03] <Sly> kemik doom3? sure i have
[11:03] <Sly> unless your about 15 i cant see how it would scare you =\
[11:03] <omp342> doom3 is stupid
[11:04] <omp342> hl2 is better :D
[11:04] <kemik> im 24 :(
[11:04] <Sly> mind you saying that im only just 19 tommorow
[11:04] <kevor> 05:02:59 up 152 days, 11:54, 6 users, load average: 0.09, 0.05, 0.01
[11:04] <kevor> sweeeheeet ><
[11:04] <omp342> i can see how doom 3 would be frightening
[11:04] <omp342> with all the dark maps
[11:04] <kemik> all the darkness and them monster just appearing
[11:04] <Zaphod> Hi again,
[11:04] <kevor> pff doom sux, you can just turn off ur monitor
[11:04] <kevor> gives the same effect
[11:04] <Zaphod> Pllease could sooeone give me the URl for screen resolutions again
[11:04] <kemik> heehehe
[11:04] <kevor> !fixres
[11:04] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, fixres is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:05] <thoreauputic> kevor: warty?
[11:05] <Sly> sly@DarkStar:~$ uptime
[11:05] <Sly> 10:04:47 up 1:17, 4 users,
[11:05] <omp342> you guys need to play hl2 instead
[11:05] <kevor> hoary
[11:05] <Sly> hmm yeh . lol
[11:05] <Zaphod> thanks
[11:05] <kemik> omp342: it's so bright and non-scary :)
[11:05] <kevor> actually bought HL2
[11:05] <Sly> i'll be happy when i crack my ut disks out , thats all i play
[11:05] <kemik> btw, is HL2 for linux aswell?
[11:05] <thoreauputic> kevor: how can your uptime be 152 days? You haven't updated the warty kernel?
[11:05] <kevor> yes, but without rebooting
[11:05] <kemik> Sly: UT 2003 or 4?
[11:06] <Sly> 2004 and the old one
[11:06] <omp342> no HL2 won't work on linux
[11:06] <linukso> kevor: kernel updated need reboot...
[11:06] <omp342> unless you get WINE working
[11:06] <Sly> 99/goty whichever it was
[11:06] <thoreauputic> kevor: ah - so you are still running 2.6.8 ...
[11:06] <omp342> which is what im trying to do unsucessfully ;)
[11:06] <kevor> lol thoreauputic this is not a ubuntu pc, this is my shell
[11:06] <thoreauputic> kevor: I see
[11:06] <kevor> Hostname: omega - OS: Linux 2.4.29-jda/i686 - CPU: 2 x Pentium Pro (198.667 MHz) - Processes: 82 - Uptime: 152d 11h 58m - Load Average: 0.07 - Memory Usage: 139.02MB/503.66MB (27.60%) - Disk Usage: 0.72GB/40.13GB (1.81%)
[11:07] <omp342> HL2 single player is pretty boring
[11:07] <thoreauputic> kevor: got it ;)
[11:07] <omp342> i just like it for all the mods
[11:07] <omp342> like cs:s
[11:07] <kevor> omp342: i was able to bunnyhop in HL2
[11:07] <kevor> went fast as a mofo with a red-glowing stick up his ass
[11:07] <omp342> hmm, that's cool
[11:07] <omp342> does that mean it's possible in cs:s?
[11:08] <gsuveg> anyone can show me icewm-deb-source ?
[11:08] <kevor> na, cs:s feels like ur playing in a big bucket of oil
[11:08] <Sly> anyone play battlefront under cedega ?
[11:08] <prova> whi so many conflict with apt-get ??
[11:08] <kevor> the old cs, 1.3 really was fast-gameplay
[11:09] <kevor> !tell prova why
[11:09] <kevor> :09 <ubotu> No, kevor, I won't. (target invalid?)
[11:09] <kevor> that bot really has an attitude problem
[11:10] <thoreauputic> kevor: heh - I'm guessing prova isn't registered
[11:10] <Ng> prova: what are you trying to apt-get?
[11:10] <kevor> i gues "why" does not exist
[11:11] <thoreauputic> kevor: right, but I don't think ubotu can /msg unregistered nicks (not sure)
[11:11] <prova> mm I cannot install due conflict problem ... with apt-get install ... I'm confusing...
[11:11] <prova> wmaker and openoffice....
[11:11] <thoreauputic> prova: you sources are probably wrong
[11:11] <Ng> openoffice should have been installed already
[11:11] <thoreauputic> !sources
[11:11] <ubotu> sources are at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[11:12] <omp342> =o
[11:12] <omp342> i love cs 1.3
[11:12] <prova> I've ppc
[11:12] <omp342> my fav version of cs has to be 1.3
[11:12] <kevor> mine was 1.1
[11:12] <Ng> cs:s!
[11:12] <prova> ok but apt-setup have all repositories...
[11:12] <kevor> jumping running flying with Deagle, didnt matter
[11:12] <omp342> now i play cs:s
[11:12] <Ng> I've played it since the early betas and I like cs:s the most :)
[11:12] <Ng> kevor: jumping and shooting is dumb ;p
[11:12] <thoreauputic> prova: you ran update of course ?
[11:13] <omp342> because the gaming community im a member of only has cs:s and bf2 servers
[11:13] <omp342> at least i get admin :)
[11:13] <kevor> not with a deagle, it 0wned :D
[11:13] <prova> yes apt-get update run without error
[11:13] <omp342> argh
[11:13] <omp342> i have trouble installing ppracer
[11:13] <thoreauputic> prova: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list on a pastebin
[11:14] <omp342> can i get it from apt-get ?
[11:14] <prova> but with apt-get install wmaker come many message about dependency
[11:15] <prova> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[11:15] <prova> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[11:15] <thoreauputic> prova: are those the only lines in your list??
[11:16] <thoreauputic> don't paste the rest please
[11:16] <prova> yes the other I've deleted ;)
[11:16] <thoreauputic> prova: *cough*
[11:17] <thoreauputic> prova: you need the others to get all dependencies
[11:17] <Ng> argh
[11:17] <thoreauputic> prova: read ubotu's link below
[11:17] <Ng> the wiki badly needs an authoritative list of sources
[11:17] <thoreauputic> !sources
[11:17] <ubotu> sources are at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[11:17] <Ng> too many people delete them ;/
[11:18] <Ng> don't delete things if you don't know what they are! ;)
[11:18] <prova> who? I come from debian planet I've only one max 2 in may sources...
[11:18] <dubnium> what is evolution? useless app?
[11:18] <thoreauputic> prova: just read that - you don't understand how it works, clearly
[11:18] <prova> heheheehe
[11:19] <Ng> dubnium: it's an email, calendar and contacts manager
[11:19] <dubnium> got enough of those
[11:19] <srijith_zz> dubnium: yup.. useless for me..
[11:20] <DukGalNamu> hello all
[11:20] <Ng> dubnium: for future reference, synaptic can show you information about a package, like what it is and what it does
[11:20] <Zaphod> Hi Again, hehehe
[11:20] <dubnium> ya i forgot just started using it today
[11:20] <dubnium> i feel like im cheating
[11:20] <DukGalNamu> to everyone that helped me with my firefox problem... soemthing was acting funny (probably due to overheating) and a restart fixed it :P
[11:21] <Zaphod> Another question... I have a Windows XP Professional installation on another drive in my PC.
[11:21] <DukGalNamu> i should probably check my ram too
[11:21] <Zaphod> how do I view the files on that drive from ubuntu?
[11:21] <dubnium> mount ntfs
[11:21] <Zaphod> how do I do that?
[11:22] <dubnium> edit the fstab
[11:22] <dubnium> then do mount -a
[11:22] <Zaphod> I am very new to Linux, and don;t understand exactly how to do that...
[11:22] <Zaphod> what is the fstab? and how do I edit it?
[11:23] <poningru> !fstab
[11:23] <ubotu> poningru: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[11:23] <Zaphod> and what will a mount -a do?
[11:23] <poningru> sigh
[11:23] <dubnium> http://www.linuxforum.com/linux_tutorials/1/1.php
[11:23] <poningru> hold on let me get the link
[11:23] <dubnium> got it
[11:23] <clem_yeats_away> Zaphod : fstab is a file in /etc/fsatb
[11:23] <Zaphod> thanks alot..
[11:23] <Zaphod> one last question...
[11:23] <poningru> oh hehe
[11:23] <thoreauputic> !mountwindows
[11:23] <ubotu> methinks mountwindows is Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[11:23] <clem_yeats_away> Zaphod : it describes how to mount things automatically
[11:23] <prova> tnks look better now ;)
[11:23] <clem_yeats_away> Zaphod : mount -a mounts everything described in the fstab file
[11:24] <srijith> Zaphod - > http://ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountntfs
[11:24] <omp342> zaphod, http://ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountntfs
[11:24] <omp342> lol
[11:24] <clem_yeats_away> Zaphod : mount -a is called at system startup
[11:24] <omp342> you said it faster than me srijith!
[11:24] <poningru> well I have a question, who do I contact to get the install cds before september 21st
[11:24] <omp342> ARGH
[11:24] <Zaphod> we run GoldMine at my company.
[11:24] <poningru> like a large amount
[11:24] <Zaphod> I know that you do not get Goldmine for Linux,
[11:24] <LinuxDolt> people actually need help mounting their partitions... the mount and fstab man pages aren't enough?
[11:24] <srijith> omp342: hey.. what happened to your install eventually?
[11:24] <poningru> because I heard it takes more than couple of monts
[11:24] <Zaphod> is there anyway that I can run goldmine from within linux?
[11:24] <wickedpuppy> what is goldmine ??
[11:24] <omp342> oh, i guess the dvd burned bad
[11:24] <Ng> poningru: there should be contact details on the Shippit part of the ubuntu website
[11:24] <omp342> i burned it again, on another dvd-r
[11:24] <omp342> and it worked fine
[11:24] <poningru> hmm ok thanks ng
[11:25] <Zaphod> GoldMine is a CRM Package
[11:25] <omp342> =]
[11:25] <srijith> omp342: great! install went all ok? You are using SATA disks right?
[11:25] <LinuxDolt> Zaphod: goldmine some sort of windows game? if it's directx you need to buy cedega, if it's not, wine might be able to emulate it
[11:25] <Zaphod> like is there any way of running a windows application from within Linux?
[11:25] <srijith> Zaphod: you may need wine emulator
[11:25] <wickedpuppy> !wine
[11:25] <omp342> yah
[11:25] <omp342> it never even asked me about my SATA hdd
[11:26] <wickedpuppy> ubotu, tell Zaphod about wine
[11:26] <clem_yeats_away> Zaphod : there are loads of different ways to do that..
[11:26] <wickedpuppy> hmms .. that does't work
[11:26] <wickedpuppy> lol
[11:26] <srijith> omp342: cool! So SATA was never a problem.. donno why anyther guy was having problems
[11:26] <srijith> wickedpuppy: nice try :)
[11:26] <clem_yeats_away> Zaphod : have a look at the "wine emulator" on google.
[11:26] <omp342> yah =]
[11:27] <usun> hi, anyone know how to install ffmpeg2theora application on ubuntu?
[11:27] <LinuxDolt> winehq.org
[11:27] <omp342> i just installed tuxracer
[11:27] <omp342> ill brb :D
[11:27] <usun> it is a .bin file
[11:27] <usun> /home/usun/ffmpeg2theora-1.13.linux.bin
[11:28] <usun> how do i install this file!
[11:28] <clem_yeats_away> ./myfile.bin
[11:28] <omp342> wow
[11:28] <omp342> something is wrong
[11:28] <omp342> tuxracer is lagging like crazy
[11:28] <clem_yeats> bin stands for binary
[11:28] <omp342> do i need to download new ati drivers?
[11:28] <clem_yeats> omp342: do you have glx and dri activated ?
[11:28] <usun> yes, so what do i do with it. what is the command line to install the app?
[11:29] <clem_yeats> usun : ./file.bin
[11:29] <usun> thks
[11:29] <clem_yeats> usun : just execute the binary file
[11:29] <prova> usun: try tho chmod to make executable than execute it..
[11:29] <Ng> usun: chmod +x /home/usun/ffmpeg2theora-1.13.linux.bin
[11:29] <clem_yeats> usun : yes... chmod 777 ./file.bin
[11:29] <Ng> usun: then just /home/usun/ffmpeg2theora-1.13.linux.bin
[11:29] <Pac> hi
[11:29] <srijith> clem_yeats, 777!
[11:29] <Ng> usun: (in a terminal)
[11:29] <omp342> hmm i dono how can i check if i have it activated?
[11:29] <Pac> how can i use wlan with ubuntu?
[11:30] <clem_yeats> srijith: it's an install file, it'll be deleted in two minutes, so why not 777..
[11:30] <Zaphod> in the ntfs mounting thing, it says that I must su to root, but I can't do that..
[11:30] <Ng> Zaphod: sudo su
[11:30] <clem_yeats> omp342: have a look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:30] <srijith> clem_yeats, he better, now :)
[11:30] <omp342> ok
[11:30] <clem_yeats> omp342: see if you can find the lines load dri and load glx
[11:30] <Pac> how can i use wlan with ubuntu?
[11:30] <Zaphod> thanks
[11:30] <clem_yeats> Pac : what do you mean ?
[11:31] <Pac> i need to install my Belkin WLan card on ubuntu
[11:31] <clem_yeats> pac : what chipset does it have ?
[11:31] <Pac> clem_yeats: where would it tell me that?
[11:31] <arphetic> MMMM as soon as i press play on XMMS it freezes ??
[11:31] <DukGalNamu> for future refrence, is there any way to force the kernal to reload the system into ram without rebooting?
[11:31] <srijith> Pac, ndiswrapper?
[11:31] <clem_yeats> pac : is it pci ?
[11:31] <thoreauputic> clem_yeats: please don't advise people to use chmod 777 - it's a really bad habit for people to get into
[11:31] <Sly> arphetic have you got nvidia drivers installed ?
[11:31] <omp342> yah those lines are there
[11:32] <Ng> DukGalNamu: no
[11:32] <Pac> clem_yeats im not sure
[11:32] <Pac> ive got the model
[11:32] <Pac> if thats any help
[11:32] <clem_yeats> thoreauputic : it's a temp file..
[11:32] <DukGalNamu> Ng: what about specific programs?
[11:32] <DukGalNamu> Ng: or at the very least purge cached programs from ram?
[11:32] <clem_yeats> Pac : no, I mean is a PCI card... ?
[11:32] <Pac> yes
[11:32] <thoreauputic> clem_yeats: "it's a bad habit" <----
[11:32] <Ng> DukGalNamu: when you quit a program it is gona from memory, although parts of it may linger in cache
[11:32] <Pac> for laptops
[11:32] <Determinist> arphetic: switch to the esd plugin for output, it wont freeze anymore
[11:32] <Ng> DukGalNamu: you can fill the caches with other things if you really want to, but why would it matter?
[11:32] <clem_yeats> thoreauputic : why ?
[11:33] <thoreauputic> *sigh*
[11:33] <DukGalNamu> Ng: well, firefox had problems allt he way until i restarted
[11:33] <arphetic> How do i do that?
[11:33] <arphetic> killall esd?
[11:33] <Pac> clem_yeats : its a pci card. yes.
[11:33] <omp342> clem_yeats: those 2 lines are there.
[11:33] <Determinist> arphetic: CTRL+P , pick a esd plugin for default output
[11:33] <clem_yeats> omp342 : are they commented out ?
[11:33] <DukGalNamu> Ng: probably cause something screwy happened with the ram or something and stayed there
[11:33] <Ng> DukGalNamu: either a firefox process was lingering around or something else is going on
[11:33] <omp342> no
[11:33] <srijith> clem_yeats, i guess once you fall into the habit, every time you get a permission problem, people will tend to use 777
[11:33] <DukGalNamu> Ng: possible, i thought it was java
[11:33] <clem_yeats> Pac : you said it was a laptop ?
[11:33] <Pac> yes
[11:33] <Pac> pci card
[11:33] <arphetic> Determinist: Ctrl + P = dead
[11:34] <Ng> srijith: one could argue that on a single user machine that isn't really a problem ;)
[11:34] <clem_yeats> srijith : well, that doesn't mean one should never use 777..
[11:34] <srijith> Pac, you may need ndiswrapper?
[11:34] <Ng> DukGalNamu: could well be, java_vm processes seem to like hanging around ;)
[11:34] <srijith> clem_yeats, almost never
[11:34] <DukGalNamu> Ng: i should have checked for it :P
[11:34] <clem_yeats> srijith : I understand the concern though.
[11:34] <Pac> srijith : where do i get ndiswrapper from
[11:35] <srijith> !ndiswrapper
[11:35] <ubotu> I heard ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[11:35] <DukGalNamu> Ng: all well, i had to restart anyways... kernel update
[11:35] <bukaka> Ng, i get this error
[11:35] <bukaka> Ng, /home/usun/ffmpeg2theora-1.13.linux.bin
[11:35] <Pac> thanks
[11:35] <bukaka> usun@SUN:~$ chmod 777 ./home/usun/ffmpeg2theora-1.13.linux.bin
[11:35] <bukaka> chmod: cannot access `./home/usun/ffmpeg2theora-1.13.linux.bin': No such file or directory
[11:35] <bukaka> usun@SUN:~$
[11:35] <Pac> srijith : then it will work?
[11:35] <DukGalNamu> LinuxDolt: umm, go to ubuntu.com and download it
[11:35] <omp342> clem_yeats: no they are not commented out
[11:35] <srijith> Pac, check this too -> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-21731.html
[11:35] <gsuveg> can i build a deb from a simple tgz ?
[11:35] <Pac> ok thanks :))
[11:35] <Ng> bukaka: take the . off the front of /home/
[11:36] <Ng> bukaka: . means "current directory"
[11:36] <arphetic> Is it also possible to set ESD to default through terminal?
[11:36] <srijith> Pac, and search the Ubuntu wiki and forums.. I am sure others too would have shared their experience
[11:36] <LinuxDolt> DukGalNamu: uhh... i've had ubuntu installed for a few weeks now, i'm STILL trying to get my stinking printer shared
[11:36] <bukaka> Ng, thks
[11:36] <DukGalNamu> LinuxDolt: ohh, that requires samba
[11:36] <LinuxDolt> finally got it to work locally
[11:36] <Pac> srijith whats this ndiswrapper for then?
[11:36] <omp342> so should i download new ati drivers?
[11:36] <bukaka> Ng, it works, now how do i install it
[11:36] <LinuxDolt> DukGalNamu: i have samba, and file shares are all working fine
[11:36] <clem_yeats> Pac : you need to identify your chipset first of all. That is the component that your wifi card is using.
[11:36] <bukaka> Ng, now how do i execute it
[11:37] <Pac> clem_yeats how do i find that out
[11:37] <bukaka> Ng, thks
[11:37] <DukGalNamu> LinuxDolt: then it should be shared...
[11:37] <Pac> !ndiswrapper
[11:37] <ubotu> methinks ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[11:37] <clem_yeats> Pac : well... it's a laptop, so I'm guessing your wifi card is not a PCI card but a PCMCIA right ?
[11:37] <Ng> bukaka: I suspect that file is the program itself and there is no installer, so cp it to /usr/local/bin/ffmpeg2theora, that puts it in your path and you can just call it as ffmpeg2theora from a terminal
[11:37] <LinuxDolt> DukGalNamu: oh, it is, but it can't find the dang drivers to install
[11:37] <owtput> hey guys, anyone know of a nice monospaced font?
[11:37] <Ng> owtput: Bitstream Vera Sans Mono :)
[11:37] <DukGalNamu> LinuxDolt: so you need your drivers?
[11:37] <DukGalNamu> LinuxDolt: for the printer?
[11:38] <clem_yeats> owtput : courrier :)
[11:38] <owtput> Ng: yeah, that's a nice font, any others
[11:38] <Pac> clem_yeats its like a card that slots it
[11:38] <Ng> owtput: pass ;)
[11:38] <Zaphod> another questions... I am trying to play MP3's, and it says I can't. says I need to install the plugins.. how do I do this?
[11:38] <owtput> i'll be using it in a term (urxvt most likely,) and irssi
[11:38] <bukaka> Ng, nok, yes i have executed it...
[11:38] <wickedpuppy> !mp3
[11:38] <ubotu> [mp3] read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[11:38] <clem_yeats> Pac : like a thin rectangular card that goes on the side of the laptop.
[11:38] <bukaka> Ng, Ok /home/usun/ffmpeg2theora-1.13.linux.bin
[11:38] <bukaka> and it executed it..
[11:38] <LinuxDolt> i need to be able to get cupsaddsmb to run, but it asks for root password, (i have enabled root) which i type in, but it still doesn't proceed
[11:39] <fluffybunny_> is there a channel for Evolution?
[11:39] <arphetic> Determinist: You still alive?
[11:39] <arphetic> Or sly ;)
[11:39] <owtput> is there another mirror in Australia besides au.archive?
[11:40] <Pac> clem_yeats: yes it is
[11:40] <arphetic> mMM
[11:40] <Pac> :)
[11:40] <clem_yeats> Pac : what it the name of your wifi card (on the box) ?
[11:40] <Pac> Belkin
[11:40] <Determinist> arphetic: kinda, i'm at work...
[11:40] <Sly> sorry i just had a beep ........... ?
[11:40] <Sly> have i missed somthing =\
[11:40] <Pac> nope sly
[11:40] <Pac> dont thinks so
[11:40] <owtput> Sly: someone honking your horn
[11:40] <DukGalNamu> yeah
[11:41] <DukGalNamu> Sly: beep
[11:41] <Sly> arphetic either enable your output to esd or................ if that fails you could try killall esd ?
[11:41] <clem_yeats> Pac : I need more info than that
[11:41] <DukGalNamu> :P
[11:41] <Pac> clem_yeats ive installed ndiswrapper now i put in the windows disk right?
[11:41] <Sly> if that fails....... use beep-media-player =D
[11:41] <arphetic> Determinist: ok ;)
[11:41] <arphetic> Sly: how do i set it to ESD?
[11:41] <DukGalNamu> Sly: beep-media-player???
[11:41] <bukaka> Ng, wants i run the file /home/usun/ffmpeg2theora-1.13.linux.bin
[11:41] <arphetic> Determinist: Ctrl + p doesnt work
[11:41] <Sly> i dont use xmms so i dont know
[11:42] <LinuxDolt> and once again, no one is helping me
[11:42] <Sly> i use beep-media-player :)
[11:42] <Determinist> arphetic: check the menues in xmms, it should be preferences
[11:42] <clem_yeats> Pac : ok
[11:42] <Ng> bukaka: cp /home/usun/ffmpeg2theora-1.13.linux.bin /usr/local/bin/ffmpeg2theora
[11:42] <bukaka> Ng, and i get the usage commands, does that mean its ready to use
[11:42] <Ng> bukaka: then it's installed
[11:42] <Ng> bukaka: yes
[11:42] <Tribune> hi. i did re install my window xp. how ever seem my grub mssing and keep on detecting winxp. how can i redo my grub?
[11:42] <DukGalNamu> LinuxDolt: still not sure what the problem is, you can't find the drivers for what?
[11:42] <clem_yeats> Pac : insert the card and type "lspci"
[11:42] <arphetic> ah k
[11:42] <Sly> DukGalNamu , yes try it :)
[11:42] <DukGalNamu> Sly: what is it?
[11:42] <Pac> ok clem
[11:42] <bukaka> thks!
[11:42] <Sly> similer to xmms
[11:42] <Pac> in terminal?
[11:43] <bukaka> Ng, thks - lifesaver!
[11:43] <DukGalNamu> Sly: how so?
[11:43] <bukaka> Ng, are you a debian expert
[11:43] <LinuxDolt> DukGalNamu: the printer, there are no printer drivers exported into /var/lib/samba/printers
[11:43] <Ng> bukaka: I wouldn't say that, I've just been using it for a while :)
[11:43] <Sly> that ist has , all buttons to play music files
[11:43] <DukGalNamu> LinuxDolt: this is the wrong place to ask that
[11:43] <bukaka> Ng, ubuntu or debian ? or both?
[11:43] <DukGalNamu> LinuxDolt: head over to #samba and have ALOT of patience
[11:44] <Ng> bukaka: both
[11:44] <owtput> bukaka: they're pretty similar
[11:44] <Ng> bukaka: they're pretty much the same inside
[11:44] <bukaka> yup, ubuntu runs on debian
[11:44] <bukaka> its great
[11:44] <Sly> DukGalNamu , just a personal preference over xmms
[11:44] <concept10> I erased my gnome menu from the panel, how did I get it back, i mean all of them, applications, places, system
[11:44] <LinuxDolt> howso? this is a quirkyness in this particular distro, i have gotten all this stuff to happen successfully in gentoo
[11:44] <DukGalNamu> Sly: something tells me that it plays beeps instead of music for some reason...
[11:44] <LinuxDolt> so, i need to ask HERE
[11:44] <Sly> lmao :)
[11:44] <Sly> i can see why
[11:44] <fluffybunny_> i'm using evolution as a mail client, and i have all these weird folders (like ".login_conf") with "emails" from my server - looks like commented code - is is safe to delete these?
[11:45] <owtput> another gentoo-ist dabbling with ubuntu
[11:45] <owtput> welcome to the fold
[11:45] <DukGalNamu> LinuxDolt: then why aren't you using gentoo?
[11:45] <DukGalNamu> LinuxDolt: and why don't you export them manually?
[11:45] <bukaka> Ng, when i went to cp the file, it did not work...
[11:45] <gsuveg> how i make deb from a simple source package ? i dont remember the tool name
[11:45] <srijith> gentoo is for newbies.. grus use LFS ;)
[11:45] <bukaka> Ng, so i don't really need to do this...
[11:45] <owtput> bukaka: which file?
[11:45] <Sly> arphetic, i just apt-getd xmms
[11:45] <DukGalNamu> LinuxDolt: or how about compiling samba yourself?
[11:45] <thoreauputic> bukaka: prepend sudo
[11:45] <srijith> grus=gurus
[11:46] <Sly> and sure enough Cntrl + p fetchs up the out plugin screen
[11:46] <Sly> among other options
[11:46] <bukaka> sudo cp /home/usun/ffmpeg2theora-1.13.linux.bin
[11:46] <arphetic> SLy i have that
[11:46] <bukaka> ?
[11:46] <Ng> bukaka: it's not vital, you could try it again with "sudo " at the front, I should probably have mentioned that
[11:46] <LinuxDolt> DukGalNamu: because ubuntu is a binary distro, and as such, supposed to operate out of the box much more quickly than the week it takes to get gentoo running in the first place
[11:46] <bukaka> Ng, tHKS
[11:46] <arphetic> Alternative sound device: /dev/esp ??
[11:46] <Sly> and it still crashs ?
[11:46] <simplydazed> anybody setup a decent network antivirus?
[11:46] <bukaka> /home/usun/ffmpeg2theora-1.13.linux.bin
[11:46] <bukaka> OPS SORRY
[11:46] <arphetic> Sly: Alternative sound device: /dev/esp ??
[11:46] <bukaka> thoreauputic, thks
[11:46] <DukGalNamu> LinuxDolt: yes, but it also will not always be working EXACTLY how you want it, so do a little dirty work if you want it perfect!
[11:46] <pippijn> hi all
[11:46] <thoreauputic> bukaka: no problem :)
[11:47] <bukaka> thoreauputic, you need a simpler NICK
[11:47] <Sly> under Output Plugin: you dont see eSound Output Plugin 1.2.10 ???
[11:47] <fayyaz> hello
[11:47] <bukaka> like Ng!
[11:47] <pippijn> does anyone know of a tool that can create a thumbnail html site from a directory of images?
[11:47] <arphetic> yes i do
[11:47] <thoreauputic> bukaka: thore <tab>
[11:47] <DukGalNamu> srijith: what would someone that does LFS be doing in here?
[11:47] <ompaul> bukaka, no he don't :)
[11:47] <Ng> bukaka: you're welcome :)
[11:47] <LinuxDolt> DukGalNamu: i've never exported CUPS printer drivers to samba manually, where does CUPS keep them?
[11:47] <thoreauputic> bukaka: you can tab complete nicks :)
[11:47] <arphetic> works fine now
[11:47] <arphetic> Thank you
[11:47] <owtput> whitmanputic
[11:48] <Sly> :)
[11:48] <DukGalNamu> LinuxDolt: man should tell you
[11:48] <bukaka> Ng, when i go to type in:
[11:48] <Ng> pippijn: galrey, igal, bins... search the ubuntu packages for "gallery"
[11:48] <bukaka> Ng, sudo cp /home/usun/ffmpeg2theora-1.13.linux.bin
[11:48] <bukaka> cp: missing destination file
[11:48] <bukaka> Try `cp --help' for more information.
[11:48] <poningru> ok problem
[11:48] <thoreauputic> owtput: hmm - I'm not a Whitman fan actually
[11:48] <bukaka> Ng, i get that error
[11:48] <ompaul> DukGalNamu, who da man [man man, man apropos]
[11:48] <Ng> bukaka: sudo cp /home/usun/ffmpegblahblah /usr/local/bin/ffmpeg2theora
[11:48] <DukGalNamu> ompaul: that was.... random.....
[11:49] <Ng> bukaka: the /usr/local/bin/ffmpeg2theora bit is important, that's the destination for cp to use :)
[11:49] <Chousuke> Ng: hm
[11:49] <ompaul> DukGalNamu, that was very accurate :)
[11:49] <Chousuke> it seems that .bin might be an installer.
[11:49] <poningru> is there anyway possible that our shipment can be expidited? cause our lug install fest is in september 21 and we need a large amount of cds
[11:49] <Chousuke> sh it.
[11:49] <poningru> like 100
[11:49] <Ng> Chousuke: I think it's just eh binary, he said running it gave him usage options
[11:49] <srijith> DukGalNamu, just having fun :) but to answer your question, what LinuxDolt was doing here ..
[11:49] <poningru> is it possible to get it shipped through the warehouse faster?
[11:49] <Ng> poningru: you'll have to ask the Shippit people that
[11:50] <poningru> do they have a channel?
[11:50] <owtput> thoreauputic: he's the "simpler" transcendentalist
[11:50] <thoreauputic> Chousuke: Ng, it is a binary - I have it here
[11:50] <Ng> ponigru: I doubt it, but there should be email links
[11:50] <deufo> where can i get more splashy themes?
[11:50] <Ng> thoreauputic: ta
[11:50] <bukaka> Ng, i see
[11:50] <poningru> right but its just faceless [email protected]
[11:50] <ompaul> poningru, they have an email address, Mr mako hill made reference to it on planetubuntu in the last couple of days
[11:51] <Ng> poningru: did you notice the sentence on the front of the SHipit page that says "If you have organized an event and have an urgent need for Ubuntu CDs, please read the FAQ and contact us."? ;)
[11:51] <poningru> right
[11:51] <Determinist> arphetic: you sorted yet?
[11:51] <ompaul> poningru, so mail it with the subject Lug Installfest and put in the date
[11:51] <owtput> brb. solaris box down.
[11:51] <poningru> sigh
[11:51] <Zaphod> is there any way to chek that my sound is working?
[11:51] <poningru> ok Its just I dont like emailing to these addys
[11:52] <ompaul> poningru, sitting in IRC ain't helping your cause, bite the bullet and do it
[11:52] <Zaphod> I don;t hear anything, but I am not sure how to check in the settings etc..
[11:52] <DukGalNamu> srijith: thats it, you convinced me, i am building an lfs system
[11:52] <wickedpuppy> what will a dvd drive show up as in /media ?
[11:52] <kemik> LFS? whyyy?
[11:53] <wickedpuppy> dvdrom01 ?
[11:53] <srijith> DukGalNamu: glad to be an inspiration :)
[11:53] <Ng> wickedpuppy: cdrom0 is more like I'd think, that's what mine shows up as at least
[11:53] <DukGalNamu> because i am INSANE!!! MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHA
[11:53] <DukGalNamu> haha
[11:53] <DukGalNamu> he
[11:53] <DukGalNamu> umm
[11:53] <ompaul> kemik, because on can, a bit like gentoo :)
[11:53] <srijith> wickedpuppy, I just get it as cdrom :(
[11:53] <wickedpuppy> i got cdrom and dvdrom ... master and slave
[11:53] <wickedpuppy> but i only got one cdrom0...
[11:53] <DukGalNamu> kemik: it sounds like fun?
[11:53] <ompaul> kemik, s/on/one
[11:53] <fluffybunny_> i'm using evolution as a mail client, and i have all these weird folders (like ".login_conf") with "emails" from my server - looks like commented code - is is safe to delete these?
[11:53] <Sly> DukGalNamu , let me buy some of the drugs your on pls
[11:53] <Ng> wickedpuppy: is there a cdrom1?
[11:53] <wickedpuppy> no ..
[11:54] <DukGalNamu> Sly: its called 'lack of sleep'
[11:54] <srijith> wickedpuppy: why dont u insert something into the drive and then cd to that? easiest
[11:54] <DukGalNamu> Sly: and it has LOTS of bad side effects
[11:54] <ompaul> fluffybunny_, paste one into pastebin
[11:54] <Ng> fluffybunny_: is it an IMAP server?
[11:54] <Sly> with a dose of caffine i surpose ?
[11:54] <fluffybunny_> Ng: yes, its IMAP
[11:54] <kemik> DukGalNamu: i'll go for the first option "you're insane"
[11:54] <wickedpuppy> i can detect it and burn and so on
[11:54] <DukGalNamu> Sly: not much more than about 100mg
[11:54] <wickedpuppy> but sometimes i can't read what i burn on windowz
[11:54] <Ng> fluffybunny_: you can unsubscribe from things you don't want to see on an IMAP server, which is probably better than deleting them
[11:54] <Zaphod> I need to install a plugin for MP3's, it says they are available in multiverse, abut I can find the multiverse repository
[11:54] <bukaka> Ng, okkk i have problems here
[11:55] <Zaphod> any ideas?
[11:55] <bukaka> Ng, cp /home/usun/ffmpeg2theora-1.13.linux.bin /usr/local/bin/ffmpeg2theora
[11:55] <bukaka> cp: cannot create regular file `/usr/local/bin/ffmpeg2theora': Permission deniedusun@SUN:~$ cp: cannot create regular file `/usr/local/bin/ffmpeg2theora': Permission deniedusun@SUN:~$
[11:55] <bukaka> >
[11:55] <Ng> bukaka: sudo?
[11:55] <Zaphod> !multiserve
[11:55] <ubotu> Zaphod: I haven't a clue
[11:55] <bukaka> Ng, ohhhhhhhh
[11:55] <kemik> ompaul: i consider gentoo ppl crazy.. "oh the joy of compiletimes!"
[11:55] <Zaphod> !multiverse
[11:55] <ubotu> ask me about !repositories
[11:55] <bukaka> Ng, sorryu
[11:55] <wickedpuppy> !multiverse
[11:55] <kemik> ;)
[11:55] <Zaphod> !repositories
[11:55] <ubotu> somebody said repositories was at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:55] <fluffybunny_> Ng: thanks - so that's normal for IMAP servers then?
[11:55] <DukGalNamu> kemik: actually i have a slow system that i am not using....
[11:55] <bukaka> Ng, yyeee haa
[11:56] <Sly> Wooot :)
[11:56] <bukaka> Ng, do you spend much time on this Ubuntu list?
[11:56] <kemik> DukGalNamu: k. a side project then.. :)
[11:56] <bukaka> Ng, thanks! X
[11:56] <Ng> fluffybunny_: there's nothing "normal" about IMAP, but yeah, I have some things in mine that were created by other programs
[11:56] <Ng> bukaka: sometimes :)
[11:56] <fluffybunny_> Ng: thanks
[11:56] <Determinist> clear
[11:56] <bukaka> Ng, where are you from or based?
[11:56] <Determinist> quit
[11:56] <bukaka> window 2
[11:56] <arphetic> lets see some XChat plugin for XMMS
[11:56] <bukaka> clumsy today
[11:56] <omp342> ok im off to sleep
[11:56] <DukGalNamu> kemik: of course.... but if it works it may replace what i currently have...
[11:56] <clem_yeats> gnight
[11:56] <Sly> lets eeem xmms get took over by beep-media-player
[11:57] <omp342> bye guys
[11:57] <ompaul> kemik, there is a thing http://www.funroll-loops.org/ not totally office safe - a tad of language in the compile options :)
[11:57] <Ng> bukaka: south coast of England
[11:57] <kemik> ompaul: thats ok, im @home trying to study for an exam
[11:58] <kevor> How can i put num-lock on at boot of ubu-y?
[11:58] <DukGalNamu> i got a question, are the pentium 2s 386 or 486?
[11:58] <arphetic> restart
[11:58] <DukGalNamu> lol
[11:58] <Sly> did he just say restart
[11:58] <Sly> ?
[11:58] <Ng> kevor: there's a numlockx package, needs to be called from an X startup script somewhere
[11:58] <Zaphod> Please can someone help me.. how do I install multiverse?
[11:58] <joee> how do I locally search for installed packages?
[11:58] <bukaka> Ng, okk i am in london
[11:58] <kevor> cewl
[11:58] <bukaka> Ng, are you a programmer by trade
[11:59] <Ng> yes ;)
[11:59] <Ng> ah cool, London. I'm in Brighton :)
[11:59] <bukaka> Ng, ahh i see. cool
[11:59] <thoreauputic> joee: dpkg -l | less (for a very long list)
[11:59] <bukaka> Ng, you got a website? just a programmer or ... artist
[11:59] <thoreauputic> joee: or dpkg -l | grep <foo>
[12:00] <Ng> bukaka: I'm a programmer by trade, I don't write stuff in my own time at the moment, so I just have a crappy blog ;)
[12:00] <joee> :) thanks thoreauputic
[12:00] <DukGalNamu> i got a question, are the pentium 2s 386 or 486?
[12:00] <crimsun> 686
[12:00] <DukGalNamu> ummm
[12:00] <DukGalNamu> i doubt it
[12:00] <DukGalNamu> seriously?
[12:00] <bukaka> Ng, ok cool
[12:00] <Ng> he's right
[12:00] <timl_> yes, seriously
[12:00] <thoreauputic> DukGalNamu: crimsun is right
[12:00] <Ng> PII and above is 686
[12:00] <bukaka> Ng, i am a designer... and i am learning unix, python.
[12:00] <Zaphod> I am not winning with installing a plugin for MP3. please can someone help me out how to install a plugin for mp3?
[12:00] <Ng> bukaka: kewl
[12:00] <bukaka> Ng, you know Python?
[12:00] <DukGalNamu> i thought it was lower....
[12:00] <Ng> bukaka: only a tiny bit
[12:01] <DukGalNamu> crimsun: the 233?
[12:01] <timl_> DukGalNamu: yes.
[12:01] <ompaul> !tell Zaphod about restricted
[12:01] <bukaka> Ng, hmm - i want to work with pygame... create something interactive. i should begin this soon
[12:01] <thoreauputic> DukGalNamu: pentium 200 is a 586 (maybe that's what you were thinking of?)
[12:01] <timl_> DukGalNamu: 386 and 486 are completely seperate to the pentium series
[12:01] <bukaka> Ng, perhaps i should consult u
[12:01] <bukaka> Ng, are you on holidays?
[12:01] <Pac> !raw
[12:01] <ubotu> Pac: What?
[12:02] <Ng> bukaka: nope, I'm at work ;)
[12:02] <ompaul> !test
[12:02] <ubotu> Failed.
[12:02] <Pac> !ubotu
[12:02] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my brain on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:02] <Pac> !add
[12:02] <ubotu> it has been said that add is To add an item to me, type "ubotu <keyword> is <description description description>", without the carets
[12:02] <bukaka> Ng, haha bONUS
[12:02] <DukGalNamu> thoreauputic: yeah, so mine is a 233 and thus a 686?
[12:02] <Ng> bukaka: and I'm really not that knowledgeable about python - there are plenty of peopl in the UK who are though, probably quite few in London - have you attended any Linux User Group meetings?
[12:02] <arphetic> Linux [kernel 2.6.10-5-386] || CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+ at 1997.109MHz [3956.73 bogomips] || Disk: 5.70 used of 52.88Gb || Mem: used 0.0/0.0 Swap: used 0.0/0.1 || Up: 1:57, Load: 0.12
[12:02] <arphetic> Linux [kernel 2.6.10-5-386] || CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+ at 1997.109MHz [3956.73 bogomips] || Disk: 5.70 used of 52.88Gb || Mem: used 0.0/0.0 Swap: used 0.0/0.1 || Up: 1:57, Load: 0.12
[12:02] <bukaka> Ng, great
[12:02] <arphetic> mmm
[12:02] <thoreauputic> DukGalNamu: yup
[12:02] <Pac> !nfs
[12:02] <DukGalNamu> thoreauputic: nice
[12:03] <ompaul> new kernel there goes my uptime :)
[12:03] <joee> is it possible to run an apt-get remove package
[12:03] <Dejavu> hi everyone
[12:03] <bukaka> Ng. no can you tell me about them. where are they?
[12:03] <joee> that cleans up all conf files etc.
[12:03] <kemik> was there not Pentium I - 233mhz?
[12:03] <bukaka> Ng, hmmm yes i want to use Pygame
[12:03] <Pac> !nvu
[12:03] <ubotu> [nvu] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingNvu http://www.nvu.com/ Linux/Mac/Windows Web authoring.
[12:03] <joee> is it possible to run an apt-get remove package that cleans up all conf files etc.
[12:03] <crimsun> joee: that'd be 'purge' not 'remove'
[12:03] <zcat[1] > AMD Sempron is k7 ?
[12:03] <joee> crimsun okay
[12:03] <thoreauputic> joee: apt-get remove --purte
[12:03] <thoreauputic> bah
[12:03] <Ng> bukaka: www.lug.org.uk
[12:03] <thoreauputic> --pyrge
[12:03] <thoreauputic> hahah
[12:04] <kemik> heh
[12:04] <kemik> someones having a hard time spelling "purge"
[12:04] <arphetic> Linux [kernel 2.6.10-5-386] || CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+ at 1997.109MHz [3956.73 bogomips] || Disk: 5.70 used of 52.88Gb || Mem: used 0.0/0.0 Swap: used 0.0/0.1 || Up: 1:59, Load: 0.11
[12:04] <azriel0184> ok, now that was weird... my ubuntu machine lost its default route...
[12:04] <Sly> Ng , i feel left out and a outcast at our local sheffield Lug
[12:04] <arphetic> ah now its fixed :)
[12:04] <zcat[1] > anyone?
[12:04] <kemik> thoreauputic: concentrate.... cooooncentraaate
[12:04] <Sly> all the peeps are friendly enough just old enough to be my farther. so i only attended once
[12:04] <Ng> Sly: the brighton lug hardly ever meets and only ever does in a pub, it's rubbish ;)
[12:04] <Ng> hehe
[12:04] <Dejavu> zcat: nops
[12:04] <thoreauputic> kemik: not spelling - my fingers have turned to jello
[12:04] <thoreauputic> :)
[12:04] <joee> thoreauputic --purte is not unterstood
[12:04] <DukGalNamu> lol
[12:04] <thoreauputic> joee: silly typo - sorry
[12:04] <Sly> me been 19 tommorow going to a meeting with 56/57 yr olds
[12:05] <Sly> wasnt realy my scene
[12:05] <Dejavu> can anyone tell me how can i extract all the contents of a .sh file in a folder ?
[12:05] <zcat[1] > AMD Sempron(tm) 2400+ - which is that then, 686?
[12:05] <bukaka> Ng, i am female. i would be the only female
[12:05] <Ng> bukaka: so?
[12:05] <Ng> bukaka: also, probably not in London
[12:05] <DukGalNamu> zcat[1] : that is k9 i think
[12:06] <bukaka> Ng, hehe huh?
[12:06] <Sly> zcat do a uname -a should be in there
[12:06] <ilba7r> !info kernel update
[12:06] <bukaka> Ng, in the photos there are NO females
[12:06] <zcat[1] > hmm.. mplayer only has 686 or k7..
[12:06] <DukGalNamu> zcat[1] : maybe k7
[12:06] <DukGalNamu> not sure
[12:06] <Sly> i686
[12:07] <ilba7r> where can i find documentation on the new kernel update
[12:07] <DukGalNamu> zcat[1] : in either case, chances are its 64bit
[12:07] <Ng> bukaka: hmm, well I do know of a few female linux users in London, but maybe they don't go to the lugs ;)
[12:07] <thoreauputic> Dejavu: a .sh file is usually a script...
[12:07] <Ng> bukaka: it means you'd be popular at least ;)
[12:07] <zcat[1] > says i686 here.. also says I'm running a 386 kernel..
[12:07] <DukGalNamu> zcat[1] : you would want to compile most everything you want.. i wouldn't take long to begin with....
[12:07] <Ng> zcat[1] : ubuntu installs a 386 kernel by default
[12:07] <Sly> zcat ignore the 386 at the end of the kernal
[12:07] <Dejavu> thoreauputic: its installer for UT2004 and i wanna extract the executables from it .. any idea how can i do so ?
[12:07] <Ng> but yeah, it's built with pentium optimisations
[12:08] <zcat[1] > nah, gonna upgrade the kernel..
[12:08] <ramin> why wont "sudo apt-get install xmms" work on a fresh ubuntusystem?
[12:08] <Sly> zcat that is the correct kernal for your processor
[12:08] <thoreauputic> Dejavu: just run it - bash nameoffile.sh
[12:08] <zcat[1] > 386 kernel for a 686 chip?
[12:08] <ramin> what reposteries must i add
[12:08] <thoreauputic> Dejavu: or sh nameoffile.sh
[12:09] <Dejavu> thoreauputic: actually there seems tobe some problem with it .. i was hopeing i could get the executables and use them :D
[12:09] <Sly> you will see no perfromance loss or any other loss from running that kernal, upgrading your kernal is not only risky and will have problems arise , but is also not needed
[12:09] <thoreauputic> Dejavu: a script is a text file :)
[12:09] <ramin> HELP
[12:09] <Dejavu> thoreauputic: o .... know any site frm where i can download installers for games e.g. ut2003 ?
[12:10] <zcat[1] > you guys are no fun!
[12:10] <ramin> why won "sudo apt-get install xmms" work
[12:10] <ilba7r> ramin !info repos
[12:10] <ramin> !info repos
[12:10] <thoreauputic> Dejavu: nope - did you ty running that file as I said above?
[12:10] <ramin> Package 'repos' does not exist
[12:10] <ramin> haha
[12:10] <Dejavu> thoreauputic: o yeah .. it works :) .. thanks !!
[12:10] <ramin> :)
[12:10] <ramin> !info xxms
[12:10] <Ng> ramin: do you have all the apt repositories configured?
[12:10] <ilba7r> where can ifind documantation on the latest kernel update?
[12:10] <thoreauputic> Dejavu: no worries :)
[12:11] <ilba7r> !extra repositories
[12:11] <ubotu> ilba7r: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[12:11] <ramin> Ng: u are correcy
[12:11] <ramin> how do i configure them=?
[12:11] <deFrysk> !xmms
[12:11] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, deFrysk
[12:11] <kevor> is there a visual screen session? like commandlike screen but then for X apps?
[12:11] <ramin> !xmms
[12:11] <Pac> !ftp
[12:11] <ubotu> Pac: I give up, what is it?
[12:11] <Ng> ramin: the file /etc/apt/sources/list or with the synaptic package manager
[12:12] <Ng> ramin: but xxmms is in the main ones, so unless you've changed something it ought to work, perhaps you could paste the error you get into pastebin.com?
[12:12] <ramin> ok, but what reposteries shall i addto install XMMS
[12:12] <thoreauputic> ramin: universe
[12:12] <ramin> no, i know it isnt. ive installed it before
[12:12] <Sly> somone go get my hair cut for me =\
[12:12] <ilba7r> pac !vsftpd
[12:12] <twilight> hello. I've a problem with ACPI. Now in console the system stops before the login: "Starting Advanced Configuration and Power Interface daemon", and when i try to shutdown or reboot, the system doesn't nothing, it stops to the same message, but with "Stopping" unless "Starting"..any ideas?
[12:12] <ramin> and i had toadd some repos
[12:12] <Ng> Filename: pool/main/x/xmms/xmms_1.2.10-2ubuntu1_i386.deb
[12:13] <thoreauputic> !info xmms
[12:13] <Ng> no, it really is in main :)
[12:13] <ubotu> xmms: (Versatile X audio player that looks like Winamp), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.2.10-2ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 1917 kB, Installed size: 5988 kB
[12:13] <thoreauputic> sorry...
[12:13] <Ng> ramin: my /etc/apt/sources.list file looks like this: http://www.pointlessrubbish.net/sources.list
[12:13] <ompaul> so much fsck, so many blocks :)
[12:13] <thoreauputic> Ng: I'm surprised an mp3 player is in main ;)
[12:13] <ramin> ok, i will take alook
[12:13] <ilba7r> lol thoreuptic you are the only one who can talk some sence to ubotu ;)
[12:14] <twilight> i've looking for error messages in /var/log/syslog, messages and acpid but i've not found errors...or i believe it..
[12:14] <Ng> thoreauputic: the mp3 plugin isn't ;)
[12:14] <thoreauputic> Ng: ah, I see !
[12:14] <ramin> Ng: howdo i enter the sources list from terminal?
[12:15] <snorks> how do i get needed codecs for movieplaying?
[12:15] <Sly> ramin sudo gedit/nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:15] <Ng> ramin: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:15] <zcat[1] > snorks: apt-get install w32codecs
[12:15] <thoreauputic> ilba7r: /msg ubotu help ;)
[12:16] <ilba7r> thoreauputic he wil not listen to me he hate me ;)
[12:16] <thoreauputic> ilba7r: I bet you aren't registered, right?
[12:16] <wickedpuppy> how can a bot hate you ?
[12:16] <LinuxDolt> well, that was funky. linux froze up on me... O.o
[12:17] <ilba7r> thoreauputic you mean with passwd ya i am registered if that what you mean
[12:17] <LinuxDolt> i couldn't even CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE from my X session
[12:17] <thoreauputic> ilba7r: umm - /whois is says not
[12:17] <ilba7r> i did not identify yet
[12:17] <ilba7r> sometimes i skip that
[12:18] <thoreauputic> ilba7r: that's why ubotu hates you ;-)
[12:18] <ilba7r> lol i just identified my self
[12:18] <ilba7r> thanx thoreauputic
[12:18] <thoreauputic> :)
[12:19] <MorphDK> Hey.. How do I make Qt apps look nicer in Gnome?
[12:19] <Zaphod> me again
[12:19] <Zaphod> I am not hearing any sound. where do I look to fix this?
[12:19] <Zaphod> !sound
[12:19] <ubotu> sound is, like, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063 or http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/
[12:20] <thoreauputic> Zaphod: plug in your speakers ;)
[12:20] <MorphDK> !qt
[12:20] <ubotu> No idea, MorphDK
[12:20] <MorphDK> :)
[12:20] <Zaphod> hehehehe.. they are plugged in.. thanks though..
[12:20] <thoreauputic> :)
[12:21] <UbUnTuThingy> hi can someone help me with an LPR setup or direct me to a chat room that will be of assistance
[12:21] <Pac> #lpr
[12:21] <Pac> :P
[12:22] <LinuxDolt> hm. doesn't seem any exist ;D
[12:23] <ramin> hm,... does not work isnt it more lite "nano -w /etc/apt/etc etc
[12:23] <ramin> hello????
[12:23] <thoreauputic> UbUnTuThingy: are you sure you don't mean "cups"? Is it a printer issue?
[12:23] <UbUnTuThingy> yeh
[12:23] <LinuxDolt> trying to share it over the samba network?
[12:23] <arphetic> mmm
[12:23] <UbUnTuThingy> well i have a printer setup using cups it works fine
[12:24] <UbUnTuThingy> yes LinuxDolt
[12:24] <bimberi> ramin: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:24] <UbUnTuThingy> and CUPS is being a pain coz samba looks for drivers and my system cant find them
[12:25] <yonil> Where's the file that i need to edit in order to add aliases ?
[12:25] <LinuxDolt> have fun. hehe, actually, here: http://www.petersblog.org/node/726 and here: http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/thankyou.jsp?ftpID=1500&fileID=1438
[12:26] <thoreauputic> yonil: .bashrc in your home dir
[12:26] <thoreauputic> ~/.bashrc
[12:26] <LinuxDolt> it was driving me up the wall for a while too UbUnTuThingy
[12:26] <yonil> thoreauputic, thanks
[12:26] <ramin> hello
[12:26] <LinuxDolt> the first are instructions for how to correctly configure your smb.conf, and the second are the drivers to install on each windows box
[12:26] <UbUnTuThingy> yeh ive only had linux going for around a month and im learning bits here and there
[12:27] <ramin> hoow do i mount ntfs drives?
[12:27] <flodine> is breezy still not good to load?
[12:27] <thoreauputic> !mountwindows
[12:27] <ubotu> well, mountwindows is Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[12:27] <Dejavu> does anyone use Wine to play Games here ?
[12:28] <arphetic> !ipchains
[12:28] <ubotu> arphetic: Not a clue
[12:28] <arphetic> !ipchain
[12:28] <ubotu> arphetic: Not a clue
[12:28] <arphetic> !help
[12:28] <arphetic> Anyone knows if IPChains is possible for Ubuntu?
[12:28] <thoreauputic> arphetic: that's help for using the bot ;)
[12:28] <LinuxDolt> Dejavu: i'm not only using wine to play a certain game, i'm a closed pre-beta tester for the specific reason that i use wine
[12:28] <arphetic> thoreauputic: I know i was checking if there was some similar command ;)
[12:28] <thoreauputic> arphetic: iptables, not chains (newer version of the same thing)
[12:29] <thoreauputic> !list
[12:29] <ubotu> it has been said that list is you can see a list of things I know at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[12:29] <thoreauputic> arphetic: ^^
[12:29] <UbUnTuThingy> that winmac fstab file is excellent :D
[12:29] <fluffybunny_> how can I set XMMS as my default media player?
[12:30] <arphetic> !iptables
[12:30] <ubotu> arphetic: Wish i knew
[12:30] <arphetic> and what is the path to that?
[12:30] <Ih8Gates> hello
[12:30] <Ih8Gates> I have lost everything to gates
[12:30] <thoreauputic> arphetic: he doesn't know iptables, clearly
[12:30] <arphetic> /sbin/iptables
[12:30] <arphetic> ?
[12:30] <kevor> fstab is ur friend!
[12:30] <Ih8Gates> his damned OS lost all of my data
[12:30] <Ih8Gates> ALL OF IT
[12:30] <kevor> right? :P
[12:30] <Dejavu> does anyone use Wine to play Games here ?
[12:30] <Ih8Gates> I need a new OS
[12:30] <kevor> Dejavu, use cedega
[12:30] <arphetic> thoreauputic: /sbin/iptables ?
[12:30] <thoreauputic> arphetic: what do you want to do with iptables?
[12:30] <Ih8Gates> a true replacement for Windows
[12:31] <Ih8Gates> is there suck a disto?
[12:31] <LinuxDolt> i play a game with wine, as i already said.
[12:31] <arphetic> Ipchains was not found on your system. If you are sure it is installed,
[12:31] <arphetic> please enter the full path below.
[12:31] <arphetic> Full path to ipchains:
[12:31] <Sly> im just installing office with crossover office, pretty good and gta vice city works great with cedega.............
[12:31] <thoreauputic> arphetic: a simple front-end for iptables is "firestarter"
[12:31] <arphetic> ?
[12:31] <thoreauputic> arphetic: what are you installing?
[12:31] <Dejavu> kevor: is there way to get it or another software without paying for it ? :D
[12:31] <arphetic> PMfirewall
[12:32] <LinuxDolt> i'm a closed pre-beta tester for a specific game because i run it in wine. :)
[12:32] <Sly> Dejavu , cedega has a cvs version
[12:32] <thoreauputic> arphetic: ipchains was a kernel 2.2 thing - itsin't used any more
[12:32] <arphetic> thoreauputic: PMFirewall www.pmfirewall.com i thought
[12:32] <arphetic> whats full path to tables then
[12:32] <Sly> just pay the damn 5$ a month for cdega. or im sure tere are other ways :)
[12:32] <Ng> arphetic: /sbin/iptables
[12:32] <thoreauputic> arphetic: if you just need an easy firewall, install firestarter
[12:33] <arphetic> /lib/iptables
[12:33] <arphetic> ah ok
[12:33] <UbUnTuThingy> thanx LinuxDolt :D
[12:33] <LinuxDolt> i hate cedega. i hate everything cedega claims to be
[12:33] <Sly> LinuxDolt............. but it works
[12:33] <kevor> what do they claim to be that you hate?
[12:33] <UbUnTuThingy> ubotu thanx to you too
[12:33] <ubotu> de rien, UbUnTuThingy
[12:33] <Ng> Sly: some people have a serious philosophical issue with wine ;)
[12:34] <Dejavu> Sly: where can i find that ?
[12:34] <Ng> Sly: some arguments run that it's hurting linux, not helping it. personally I think that's nonsense, but that's just my opinion ;)
[12:34] <Dejavu> LinuxDolt: any success with a game on Wine ?
[12:34] <thoreauputic> ;)
[12:34] <Sly> i can see that and i do myself ................ but people have needs
[12:34] <arphetic> i got it installed now
[12:35] <LinuxDolt> Dejavu: this particular game is running great in wine, but it's not directx, it's opengl
[12:35] <bimberi> thoreauputic: :)
[12:35] <pef> hello
[12:35] <Dejavu> LinuxDolt: i just ran doom3 with it and it gave me an error .. i currently am testing wc3 .. seems to be installing smothly
[12:35] <arphetic> IxbH8og4c - :e8.Lw4%Sjaho - =jx
[12:35] <arphetic> mmm
[12:35] <arphetic> still weard signs
[12:35] <Dejavu> LinuxDolt: which particular game ?
[12:35] <Sly> gosh, you wont be able to run doom3 in standard wine ?
[12:35] <LinuxDolt> Dejavu: it's not out yet ;)
[12:36] <bimberi> bottle shop ?
[12:36] <bimberi> :)
[12:36] <Dejavu> LinuxDolt: then how about ..what kinda game is it ? :D
[12:36] <thor|gone> bimberi: nah - just the corner grocer ;)
[12:36] <LinuxDolt> Dejavu: it's an MMORPG
[12:37] <Dejavu> LinuxDolt: multi player online role playing ?
[12:37] <icewt> Dejavu, err.. you are trying to run doom3 with wine even though there's a native version for linux?
[12:37] <LinuxDolt> icewt: ... why didn't i catch on to that?
[12:38] <LinuxDolt> Dejavu: indeed... why AREN'T you installing the native linux version?
[12:38] <UbUnTuThingy> can someone recommend to me some DVD or CD burning software
[12:38] <Dejavu> icewt: unfortunatly i dont have a good serial no to get it activated :S .. i did installed with the native installer tough
[12:39] <azriel0184> UbUnTuThingy, xcdroast
[12:39] <Dejavu> LinuxDolt: for wc3 ?
[12:39] <bimberi> UbUnTuThingy: nautilus (the file manager) will burn data cd/dvds...
[12:39] <bimberi> UbUnTuThingy: otherwise there's gnomebaker, graveman, k3b
[12:40] <UbUnTuThingy> so nautilus only burns data, not ISO or audio
[12:40] <Ih8Gates> ok this is a silly question to ask in a place like this, but I am seriously asking for objectivity or as close as you can get. I am a life long Windows user who is tired of XP's BS and DRM Crap. Is Ubuntu as it is now, a truly viable replacement for XP, I need it for e-mail, word processing, and some light gaming
[12:40] <UbUnTuThingy> im having a lot of trouble with gnomebaker and graveman
[12:40] <bimberi> UbUnTuThingy: not audio, unsure about isos
[12:41] <UbUnTuThingy> and a lot of programs i get thru synaptic, when they install things dont appear in the menus
[12:41] <clem_yeats> Ih8Gates: it's a silly question :))
[12:41] <mjr> Ih8Gates, given those needs, yes, I would say so, if "light gaming" is satisfied by the games readily available for Linux
[12:41] <UbUnTuThingy> ok
[12:41] <UbUnTuThingy> indeed a silly question
[12:41] <clem_yeats> Ih8Gates: internet and email are better under Ubuntu than XP
[12:42] <clem_yeats> Ih8Gates: gaming is much better with XP
[12:42] <Ih8Gates> light gaming, all I play is Americas Army
[12:42] <Ih8Gates> and there is a Linux version
[12:42] <mjr> Ih8Gates, if, however, your definition of "light" includes being able to run every new Windows game, them XP is better for you :)
[12:42] <Dejavu> icewt: anyway i can get around the serial ? i mean like a crack ?
[12:42] <clem_yeats> Ih8Gates: word processing and all... Ubuntu use Open office, which also work i XP, so you can have an idea before you actually install Ubuntu. Just download OpenOffice and give it a try.
[12:42] <mjr> okay then, go for it
[12:42] <UbUnTuThingy> the internet hasnt got so many protocols and headers on Linux
[12:43] <bimberi> UbUnTuThingy: yes, not all programs create menu entries, when this happens you can create one using...
[12:43] <bimberi> !smeg
[12:43] <ubotu> I guess smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[12:43] <mjr> oh, also, you might want to double-check that your hardware is properly supported
[12:44] <UbUnTuThingy> oh ok thanks :)
[12:44] <bimberi> yw :)
[12:44] <UbUnTuThingy> like i install things and nothing seems to appear lol
[12:45] <joee> how do I clean up everything with apt-get remove?
[12:45] <icewt> Dejavu, i don't know, i don't have doom3
[12:45] <UbUnTuThingy> but it does in my directories but im not used to the directory structures yet to trundle around and mess something up lol
[12:46] <bimberi> UbUnTuThingy: you can always look at the properties of installed packages in Synaptic to see what files were installed
[12:46] <Dejavu> icewt: thanks anyway :)
[12:46] <UbUnTuThingy> all the questions i got in my head lol, i got another one
[12:46] <UbUnTuThingy> yeh
[12:47] <UbUnTuThingy> ill look into it
[12:47] <UbUnTuThingy> is there a way to make an image of my hard drive to place on a new hard drive?
[12:51] <UbUnTuThingy> is there a way to make an image of my hard drive to place on a new hard drive?
[12:51] <Ng> UbUnTuThingy: are they going to be exactly the same size?
[12:54] <UbUnTuThingy> no, i am upgrading from a 40gb to a 160gb
[12:54] <MacQuack> hi all
[12:54] <UbUnTuThingy> im aware that ill need to recreate the partition table
[12:54] <UbUnTuThingy> hi MacQuack
[12:54] <Ng> UbUnTuThingy: if you can put the new drive in alongside the old one you can use rsync to transfer all the data
[12:55] <snorks> I cannot access my other computer. I have installed samba and smbfs, and Places -> Network servers finds the computer, and I have shared a folder, but I cannot see it
[12:55] <UbUnTuThingy> oh ok
[12:55] <UbUnTuThingy> is rsync installed by default or is it an extra i need to find on synaptic
[12:56] <thoreauputic> UbUnTuThingy: I think you have to install rsync
[12:56] <UbUnTuThingy> oh ok cool
[12:57] <thoreauputic> UbUnTuThingy: but it's on the CD
[12:57] <UbUnTuThingy> just hope its not so damn hard as muckin round with perl and python scripts
[12:57] <thoreauputic> acording to apt-cache policy rsync
[12:57] <UbUnTuThingy> oh ok
[12:58] <MacQuack> i'm downloading ubuntu 5.04 right now. hope i will like this one ;)
[12:58] <bimberi> UbUnTuThingy: just checked and ubuntu-base depends on rsync - so it's part of even a basic install
[12:58] <ttj> Is there a way to install ubuntu when you only have a pair of SATA drives that debian-installer won't detect?
[12:59] <UbUnTuThingy> does anyone know of a mini linux distro that can manage parallel and usb printers and just primarily act as a print server
[12:59] <thoreauputic> bimberi: ah, interesting - I thought I had to install it...
[12:59] <Sly> ng still abhout ?
[12:59] <Ng> yep
[12:59] <MacQuack> UbUnTuThingy - can't u use Live CD?
[01:00] <MacQuack> i.e. Knoppix
[01:00] <UbUnTuThingy> why the Live CD?
[01:00] <MacQuack> cause u don't have to have much disk space
[01:00] <UbUnTuThingy> i want a permanent solution coz i dont want windows managing my printers
[01:01] <LinuxDolt> gentoo is as big or small as you want. and ubuntu really isn't that big
[01:01] <MacQuack> maybe Damn Small Linux?
[01:01] <Chousuke> Debian.
[01:01] <Chousuke> :P
[01:01] <clem_yeats> slack...
[01:01] <MacQuack> everyone gives a different distro...
[01:01] <clem_yeats> maybe distrowatch.org would help
[01:02] <MacQuack> hackin9!
[01:02] <UbUnTuThingy> yeah
[01:02] <thoreauputic> iggsdrasil!
[01:02] <UbUnTuThingy> ok
[01:02] <LinuxDolt> you'll find that almost ANY distro of linux is smaller than Windows
[01:02] <surfdue> !amp
[01:02] <MacQuack> 31337!
[01:02] <ubotu> surfdue: No idea
[01:02] <UbUnTuThingy> coz i was looking at linuxrouter or something and that died a few years ago
[01:02] <Chousuke> A bare debian with CUPS would probably be about 100MB :P
[01:03] <LinuxDolt> so if your size comparison is against windows, you could probably use Mandriva and it'd still be smaller
[01:03] <Chousuke> LinuxDolt: And mandriva would have a lot more features out-of-the-box too :P
[01:03] <UbUnTuThingy> well i could prolly use it as a file server too, but at the moment just a print server
[01:03] <clem_yeats> and some of these features would actually work ! :)
[01:04] <clem_yeats> sorry, I couldn't resist..
[01:04] <LinuxDolt> Mandriva is a BAD BAD distro though. fat. very fat.
[01:04] <UbUnTuThingy> ok
[01:04] <ekimus> mandriva has the slowest boot up imho. and that's because it starts every fu***** known server in the universe by default
[01:05] <MacQuack> lol
[01:05] <UbUnTuThingy> lol
[01:05] <ekimus> or should i say multiverse to use ubuntu terms :)
[01:05] <UbUnTuThingy> dont want that then
[01:05] <MacQuack> or reverse to use windoze terms
[01:05] <c3ltic> hi
[01:05] <MacQuack> hi
[01:06] <c3ltic> can anyone tell me... does ubuntu allow PPPoE connection?
[01:06] <MacQuack> yup
[01:06] <MacQuack> read the documentation
[01:06] <UbUnTuThingy> should do
[01:06] <c3ltic> already did... but nothing there
[01:06] <UbUnTuThingy> but dont ask me lol
[01:06] <jaqkar> hi guys
[01:06] <MacQuack> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[01:07] <Seveas> !ubuntuguide
[01:07] <c3ltic> thanks
[01:07] <ubotu> methinks ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. The official FAQ Guide will be released with Breezy, stay tuned
[01:07] <Seveas> ^-- MacQuack
[01:07] <jaqkar> i want to setup a gateway on my ubuntu box, and on the ubuntu box it should use a proxy for all outgoing traffic
[01:07] <MacQuack> methinks that ya hav bad grammer :P
[01:08] <kemik> jaqkar: a bit of work, but none too hard :)
[01:08] <LinuxDolt> Seveas: be that as it may, i actually found some help in ubuntuguide.org to get me on my way to getting my printer to work
[01:09] <UbUnTuThingy> i hate dial up
[01:09] <jaqkar> kemik: great, can you guide me
[01:09] <MacQuack> the slooooooowest connection ever
[01:09] <MacQuack> 56 k modems should burn in hell
[01:09] <LinuxDolt> didn't solve it for me, but whatever
[01:09] <kemik> jaqkar: what's your setup? two ethernets ?
[01:09] <Sly> MacQuack say that to people living out in the country side ?
[01:10] <UbUnTuThingy> when i relocate, ill be getting broadband thank fuck
[01:10] <kemik> (NICs maybe i should say)
[01:10] <Belutz> if i want to install LDAP server... what package already available in the repos ?
[01:10] <thoreauputic> MacQuack: ach, laddie, I remember when 56k was lightning fast!
[01:10] <jaqkar> kemik: router and 2 boxes - win and ubuntu
[01:10] <MacQuack> i don't say no to dial-ups, i say they suck, but is always better to have 56k connection than don't have any
[01:10] <UbUnTuThingy> 56k is shit lol
[01:11] <kemik> so it's like this: INTERNET -> UBUNTU ->ROUTER -> WINDOWS?
[01:11] <kemik> or INTERNET->ROUTER->_> WIN/UBUNTU ?
[01:11] <MacQuack> INTERNET >_< CRASH
[01:11] <bimberi> lol
[01:11] <jaqkar> kemik: internet > router > switch > win/ubuntu
[01:11] <UbUnTuThingy> yeh true but we only got it coz in Australia, if ur in a rural area u got hardly a chance to get broadband
[01:12] <bimberi> luxury
[01:12] <Belutz> !ldap
[01:12] <ubotu> Belutz: Do they come in packets of five?
[01:12] <thoreauputic> REDIRECT <<>> somewhere << maybe this way ----> or <------ ??
[01:12] <kemik> jaqkar: awh. so what's the gateway adress ?
[01:12] <jaqkar> i need to explain this though because u might ask then why the need for the ubuntu gateway..
[01:12] <UbUnTuThingy> im moving into the city a bit so my telco actually cares a bit more lol
[01:13] <kemik> thoreauputic --> /dev/null
[01:13] <LinuxDolt> heh. more like: Internet -> Modem -> router -> instable -> Windows Network w/ Ubuntu -> CRASH!
[01:13] <Sly> Ubuntuthingy your moving purely to live in boundaries or bb ?
[01:13] <kemik> jaqkar: indeed, i'm thinking there would be no need for a gateway on that ubuntu box :)
[01:13] <MacQuack> INTERNET > M$ WINODZE > OMG <> WHAT > DA >F***??? <><><><><<<<<>>> >_< ^^ (>")>
[01:13] <thoreauputic> kemik: cat /dev/urandom > thoreauputic
[01:13] <jdeveloper> hi to everybody
[01:13] <MacQuack> hi
[01:14] <kemik> echo "all yuor base are belong to us" >> thoreauputic
[01:14] <jaqkar> kemik: exactly, but because of our shit isp i want all the traffic from the win box to hit the isp proxy
[01:14] <thoreauputic> OMG!! I have been pwned!
[01:14] <kemik> someone set us up the bomb
[01:14] <jdeveloper> can someone give me the deb source for the security updates from hoary?
[01:14] <jdeveloper> to put in the sources.lis
[01:14] <jdeveloper> to put in the sources.list
[01:14] <jaqkar> kemik: so instead of running a squid proxy on win i want to use ubuntu
[01:14] <UbUnTuThingy> no lol id prolly just apply for a government scheme to get high speed satellite or get them to actually come out and fix up the exchange
[01:15] <LinuxDolt> nono, kemik, we want to REPLACE his current contents, so it's echo "all your base are belong to us" > thoreauputic
[01:15] <MacQuack> echo "drink pepsi" >> thoreapeutic
[01:15] <bina> is there a way to change the resolution that KDM login manager uses?
[01:15] <jaqkar> kemik: and when i say traffic i mean all traffic not http only
[01:15] <kemik> oh my, i appended it :(
[01:15] <pitti> jdeveloper: deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main universe
[01:15] <azriel0184> cat thoreauputic > /dev/dsp
[01:15] <jdeveloper> thanks pitti
[01:15] <thoreauputic> azriel0184: no, that would be deafening ;)
[01:16] <kemik> jaqkar: awh.. thats a bit more advanced than what i was thinking...
[01:16] <azriel0184> thoreauputic, and almost as inteligible as /dev/random
[01:16] <MacQuack> and what if we don't want to replace contents, but only crash his PC??? echo run "Windoze" >thoreapeutic ??? ... whoops
[01:16] <bimberi> jdeveloper: you might want to add " restricted multiverse" to the end of that
[01:16] <Arbiter-mc> hi all
[01:16] <kemik> jaqkar: im sorry, but i dont have the time to look into that.. gotta study for exam :|
[01:16] <jaqkar> kemik: so i thought i will set my gateway ip to the ubuntu box so all traffic goes there and ubuntu sends it to the proxy of isp
[01:16] <LinuxDolt> cat /dev/random > thoreauputic
[01:16] <Arbiter-mc> ubuntu developers there?
[01:17] <MacQuack> no, only nuts
[01:17] <arphetic> :)
[01:17] <Arbiter-mc> hey, i'm new to ubuntu ;)
[01:17] <arphetic> works finally
[01:17] <LinuxDolt> grats to you
[01:17] <LinuxDolt> Now Playing: M-Flo - Shine In My Life
[01:17] <arphetic> I dont think the developers ever get hehre
[01:17] <arphetic> here
[01:17] <jaqkar> kemik: it should be standard gateway and the ubuntu just sends everything to the isp proxy
[01:17] <LinuxDolt> mines better though
[01:17] <Arbiter-mc> and i've made some cool things... ;)
[01:18] <LinuxDolt> as in the song
[01:18] <MacQuack> Now Playing: Slipknot - Wait and Bleed slowed down by slow computer -OMG!!!
[01:18] <twibbler> has anybody setup freeciv ?....
[01:18] <arphetic> But mine one is self made
[01:18] <kemik> jaqkar: setting up the ubuntu box as a gateway/NATer shouldnt be a problem.. but sending all traffic to the proxy is something i've never done
[01:18] <thoreauputic> for each in nick ; do lart $nick ; done
[01:19] <kevor> is there a way to show a terminal in the lower right corner like on FreeBSD?
[01:19] <Arbiter-mc> i've made some colored ubuntu initscripts
[01:19] <jaqkar> kemik: my ubuntu is currently setup to send all to proxy
[01:19] <bimberi> thoreauputic: you'll need "ubotu: " at the front :P
[01:19] <MacQuack> for each fast-food in tha city ; do eat $city ; BURP
[01:19] <thoreauputic> ah syntax error!
[01:20] <snorks> is there any interfaced prog for perl/python programming?
[01:20] <jaqkar> kemik: i dont know where it stores this info because i did it from the gnome - system tools
[01:20] <snorks> !perl
[01:20] <ubotu> No idea, snorks
[01:21] <jaqkar> kemik: if you can tell me how to set it up as a standard gateway/NATer i will try to figure the proxy part
[01:21] <arphetic> rofl
[01:22] <deufo> hi does ubuntu use autofs by default?
[01:22] <arphetic> <-selflol ignore me
[01:22] <UbUnTuThingy> would there be a reason why when i dial up the internet, i get as far as authentication, it fails, but i have the correct login info??
[01:23] <jdeveloper> can someone explain this errors when i make apt-get update
[01:23] <thoreauputic> bimberi: actually should have been " for each in nick ; do lart $each ; done " <--- but no-one picked up the error *grin*
[01:23] <arphetic> Anyone knows why XMMS doesnt support pls files?
[01:23] <jdeveloper> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-security/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz MD5Sum mismatch
[01:23] <jdeveloper> Reading package lists... Done
[01:23] <jdeveloper> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary-security_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[01:23] <jdeveloper> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary-security_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[01:23] <jdeveloper> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[01:23] <kemik> jaqkar: either read about IPTABLES and ip_masq, or use firestarter / quicktables or another frontend
[01:23] <Seveas> jdeveloper, please don't paste
[01:23] <jdeveloper> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[01:23] <arphetic> err
[01:23] <jdeveloper> ok
[01:23] <bimberi> thoreauputic: Of course - D'Oh!
[01:23] <thoreauputic> !lart jdeveloper
[01:23] <kemik> jaqkar: quicktables is a nice .sh script that will let you setup NAT
[01:23] <Seveas> ok it was done
[01:24] <arphetic> jdeveloper: use paste.ubuntulinux.org
[01:24] <Seveas> jdeveloper, apt-get update
[01:24] <Seveas> just like the output says...
[01:24] <UbUnTuThingy> would there be a reason why when i dial up the internet, i get as far as authentication, it fails, but i have the correct login info??
[01:24] <Seveas> arphetic, .nl not .org
[01:24] <MacQuack> food-get pizza doesn't work for me!!! WTF?
[01:24] <kemik> jaqkar: unfortunately all my selfmade iptables scripts have been scrapped in favour of turtlefirewall (which suck ;) ).. so the exact syntax is unavailable :(
[01:24] <arphetic> w/e
[01:24] <arphetic> Seveas: got experience with XMMS + streams?
[01:25] <MacQuack> w/eeeee
[01:25] <jaqkar> kemik: i will try quicktables
[01:25] <Seveas> arphetic, only with beep and streams
[01:25] <LinuxDolt> funny. jdeveloper is a funny man
[01:25] <arphetic> To bad
[01:26] <jaqkar> kemik: is it installed or should i dload it?
[01:26] <jaqkar> kemik: apt-get?
[01:26] <UbUnTuThingy> would there be a reason why when i dial up the internet, i get as far as authentication, it fails, but i have the correct login info??
[01:26] <UbUnTuThingy> if anyone is wondering, i have done the stupid thing and ported my internet thru windows via TCP/IP to this system
[01:27] <kemik> jaqkar: http://qtables.radom.org/ <-- it's actually jsut a bashscript that sets the IPTABLE rules
[01:27] <kemik> jaqkar: so it's easily modifiable, if you know your way around iptables...
[01:27] <twibbler> snorks: what do you mean by interface ...
[01:28] <bimberi> Seveas: you could retain the second last of those bans :)
[01:28] <jaqkar> kemit: quicktables: advanced support for transparent http proxying with squid running either on the firewall itself or running on another host
[01:28] <deufo> can somone be so nice and show me a default fstab file?
[01:28] <thoreauputic> UbUnTuThingy: /join #windows <j/k>
[01:28] <kemik> jaqkar: would you look at that, they've updated it quite alot since i used it ;)
[01:29] <thoreauputic> deufo: there's really no such thing - it depends on your hardware/ setup
[01:29] <jaqkar> kemit: suppose i need squid then
[01:29] <kemik> jaqkar: mmh, could verywell be so..
[01:30] <deufo> thoreauputic, anyway to get it to generate it again?
[01:30] <McScruff> does any1 know any software for renameing mp3's like tag and rename for windows
[01:30] <deufo> thoreauputic, i only installed the bare stuff
[01:30] <kemik> McScruff: easytag ?
[01:30] <thoreauputic> deufo: hmm - never needed to regenerate an fstab... don't know
[01:30] <deufo> thoreauputic, does ubuntu use autofs?
[01:31] <kemik> *gone*
[01:31] <thoreauputic> deufo: no, I don't believe so
[01:31] <deufo> thoreauputic, i'm trying to get my usb flash disk to work, i remember when i did the default installation it mounts by itself
[01:31] <McScruff> ty kermik
[01:32] <Linforcer> >.> can anyone tell me how to install a sshd in Ubuntu
[01:32] <thoreauputic> Linforcer: sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[01:32] <wickedpuppy> !sshd
[01:32] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, wickedpuppy
[01:32] <Linforcer> thanks
[01:32] <wickedpuppy> !ssh
[01:32] <ubotu> it has been said that ssh is "http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SSHHowto/"
[01:33] <rive> good morning ubuntu's
[01:33] <arphetic> murnin
[01:33] <jaqkar> kemit: squid through webmin ;)
[01:34] <UbUnTuThingy> can someone let me know how to successfully maintain a PPP connection
[01:34] <NatureTruth> i have a question...i typed in pmidi -l in the terminal and I dont get any client or port, what could be wrong?
[01:35] <clem_yeats> Ubuntuthingy : did you try pppconfig
[01:35] <Seveas> UbUnTuThingy, sudo pppconfig
[01:35] <rive> anyone have a web based web traffic analyzer for apache they like on ubuntu?
[01:36] <thoreauputic> NatureTruth: lack of installed modules (snd_seq or similar )
[01:36] <thoreauputic> NatureTruth: you might need to modprobe some sequencer modules in other words
[01:36] <bimberi> rive: webalizer is OK (i've used it on debian)
[01:37] <soulseeker> yo slt
[01:37] <rive> bimberi: is that in universe?
[01:37] <bimberi> rive: yes
[01:37] <rive> bimberi, rocking, thanks.
[01:38] <xsadikx> hi
[01:38] <bimberi> rive: yvw :)
[01:38] <thoreauputic> NatureTruth: snd-seq-device snd-seq-midi snd-seq-oss snd-seq-midi-event snd-seq <-- from my /etc/modules
[01:38] <NatureTruth> thoreauputic: i already did modprobe snd_seq
[01:39] <thoreauputic> NatureTruth: righto - and the others I listed?
[01:39] <Zaphod> he.. I'm back again..
[01:39] <Zaphod> I am having troubles installing wine
[01:39] <xsadikx> i have a problem, i recently installed ubuntu, but whenever i am asked to type the root password in order to run lets say the update manager it just says that the password is wrong.. how can i solve this?
[01:39] <NatureTruth> thoreauputic: I did lsmod|grep midi...it's there
[01:39] <Zaphod> I cannot add the repository.. please someone help..
[01:40] <thoreauputic> NatureTruth: do you have soundfonts or freepats installed?
[01:40] <Zaphod> anyone?
[01:42] <rive> ok, I've CLEARLY not had enough coffee this morning. What's the CLI command to install software again?
[01:42] <unreal> Zaphod: your first name wouldn't happen to begin with P would it?
[01:42] <nophix> rive: apt-get ?
[01:42] <bimberi> rive: sudo apt-get install webalizer
[01:42] <bimberi> :)
[01:42] <Zaphod> no.. it doesn't..
[01:43] <xsadikx> can someone help me?
[01:43] <Zaphod> can anyone help me to get wine installed?
[01:43] <bimberi> Zaphod: have you been here...
[01:43] <bimberi> !repos
[01:43] <ubotu> I guess repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[01:43] <twibbler> xsadikx: the answer is how ..
[01:44] <xsadikx> i recently installed ubuntu, but whenever i am asked to type the root password in order to run lets say the update manager it just says that the password is wrong.. how can i solve this?
[01:44] <zerboxx_sleeping> xsadikx: ubuntu uses sudo, not root
[01:44] <Zaphod> I have been here.. why?
[01:44] <bimberi> xsadikx: try your own password
[01:44] <xsadikx> doesnt work either
[01:44] <Zaphod> I have looked in the howto, but it doesn't seem work..
[01:44] <twibbler> xsadikx root is disabled use sudo .....
[01:45] <zerboxx_sleeping> xsadikx: sudo <whatever> doesn't work?
[01:45] <rive> bimber: oh yeah... sudo... yawn
[01:45] <xsadikx> no no
[01:45] <xsadikx> ok.. you see the update icon?
[01:45] <xsadikx> if i click it, it asks for a password
[01:45] <zerboxx> xsadikx: That should work if you enter your password
[01:46] <twibbler> xsadikx did you input a root password at setup ...
[01:46] <xsadikx> yeah but it doesnt
[01:46] <bimberi> Zaphod: what does "sudo apt-get install wine" (in a terminal) do
[01:46] <bimberi> ?
[01:46] <xsadikx> twibbler, yes
[01:46] <xsadikx> i can su from the terminal
[01:46] <bimberi> rive: More Coffee :)
[01:46] <twibbler> what was it can you remember ...
[01:47] <xsadikx> the password?
[01:47] <UbUnTuThingy> bbl
[01:47] <twibbler> xsadikx yes the password but dont tell me ... just a though you know its case sensitive so if you type Demo it is not the same as demo ..
[01:48] <xsadikx> lol
[01:48] <[DaRk] > hi
[01:48] <sidahmed> hi
[01:48] <[DaRk] > i have a problem with audio
[01:48] <xsadikx> im not that lame
[01:48] <rive> never EVER tell your PASSWORD.
[01:48] <[DaRk] > i have 2 audio cards
[01:48] <[DaRk] > and when i play a sound
[01:48] <twibbler> you just never know these days with windows none techies ......
[01:48] <twibbler> playing with linux ...
[01:48] <[DaRk] > the sound "exit" from the integrated card
[01:49] <[DaRk] > not from sb live! card...
[01:49] <xsadikx> like.. if i try to run the gdm greeter from the menu
[01:49] <[DaRk] > how i can select the default card ?
[01:49] <xsadikx> it asks for my password
[01:49] <xsadikx> i type my pass but it doesnt work..
[01:49] <[DaRk] > ehm...now i0m trying frozen bubble and the sound works !
[01:49] <xsadikx> if i su on the term and then run gdm from the term it works
[01:50] <twibbler> hum ........................... so neither does sudo gdm ....
[01:50] <[DaRk] > but normally it don't works...how ???? :D
[01:50] <xsadikx> well
[01:50] <azriel0184> [DaRk] , disable the onboard sound car din your bios.
[01:50] <xsadikx> if i use sudo it asks me for my password
[01:50] <twibbler> if you can su can you su -
[01:51] <xsadikx> and i type my password and it says its wrong
[01:51] <darksatanic> xsadikx: sudo generally wants _your_ password, not the root one.
[01:51] <bimberi> xsadikx: are you using the account that you created during the install?
[01:51] <xsadikx> bimberi, yes
[01:51] <[DaRk] > azriel0184, uhm....ok
[01:51] <[DaRk] > it's an idea....is it possible to use both ?
[01:51] <xsadikx> mm
[01:52] <xsadikx> how do i add myself to the sudoers list?
[01:52] <twibbler> xsadikx: if you can su why not run passwd and change your root password ...
[01:52] <azriel0184> do you need to use both? cos it will save you a hell of a lot of trouble to just disable it if you dont plan on using it
[01:52] <bimberi> xsadikx: "visudo" (as root)
[01:52] <xsadikx> where do i add myself?
[01:53] <rive> where do I configure webalizer or point me to a install wiki... just got it from universe
[01:53] <[DaRk] > uhm....ok
[01:53] <[DaRk] > :)
[01:53] <azriel0184> [DaRk] , i have the same setup, trust me on this one :)
[01:53] <bimberi> xsadikx: mine includes this line: "dave ALL=(ALL) ALL"
[01:54] <bimberi> xsadikx: ... at the end
[01:54] <xsadikx> ok
[01:54] <ubuntu_> anyone here interested in working on my network? pvt me
[01:54] <Digital_Warrior0> Can any one answer my question
[01:54] <xsadikx> ok
[01:54] <xsadikx> its working now
[01:55] <Digital_Warrior0> any one know why my routing tables are in ipv6 not 4 but my ip is ipv4
[01:56] <xsadikx> thanks
[01:56] <xsadikx> bye**
[01:57] <Digital_Warrior0> any one know how to uninstall ipv6 and install ipv4
[01:57] <twibbler> Digital ... use synatic ...
[01:58] <Nameeater> how can I play aac shout cast streams?
[01:58] <rive> where are configuration files stored?
[01:58] <rive> nevermind.... etc
[01:59] <Digital_Warrior0> what package hold ipv4 and witch one holds ipv6
[01:59] <rive> I need a new brain.
[02:00] <twibbler> Digital try installing updating iptables ...
[02:01] <jedipottsy> yo
[02:01] <jedipottsy> can someone help with a WineX issue? how do i run something windowed?
[02:02] <jedipottsy> #cedega
[02:03] <twibbler> jpidpottsy: follow a script file I created to run ultraedit
[02:03] <twibbler> [Desktop Entry]
[02:03] <twibbler> Encoding=UTF-8
[02:03] <twibbler> Version=1.0
[02:03] <twibbler> Type=Application
[02:03] <twibbler> Exec=wine "c:\\program files\\IDM Computer Solutions\\UltraEdit-32\\uedit32.exe"TryExec=
[02:03] <twibbler> Icon=/usr/share/pixmaps/seahorse.png
[02:03] <twibbler> X-GNOME-DocPath=
[02:03] <twibbler> Terminal=false
[02:03] <twibbler> Name[en_GB] =Uedit
[02:03] <twibbler> GenericName[en_GB] =
[02:03] <twibbler> Comment[en_GB] =
[02:04] <deleric> hi all ;)
[02:04] <rive> aaaaaaaah.... I got into recording mode in 'vi' and i can't get out.... help!!!
[02:05] <jedipottsy> thnx
[02:05] <twibbler> press esc a lot ...
[02:05] <rive> I did that
[02:05] <rive> it's recording the esc
[02:05] <rive> and the ctr c
[02:05] <rive> dear god.
[02:05] <rive> make it stop
[02:05] <Seveas> :q
[02:05] <Seveas> :q
[02:06] <rive> ah....ctr-z got me out
[02:06] <Seveas> hehe
[02:06] <rive> now I will kill the job
[02:06] <Seveas> now it's suspended :)
[02:07] <rive> Killed!!! +1000 XP for killing vi.
[02:07] <poningru> sorry you only get NT
[02:08] <cihad> slm
[02:09] <cihad> millet
[02:09] <cihad> kise yokmu?
[02:09] <Seveas> cihad, please stick to english in here
[02:09] <Seveas> touchy.. :)
[02:10] <thoreauputic> what language was that??
[02:10] <anacron> english is the only language you can stick in
[02:11] <anacron> :D
[02:11] <rizla> hello folks
[02:12] <anacron> that's all folks
[02:13] <catfox> anyone have screenshots of breezy's bootsplash?
[02:13] <clem_yeats> hi rizla
[02:14] <laxise> hi there
[02:14] <ZincX> ibglib-2.0.so -Wl,-E -Wl,--export-dynamic -Wl,-soname -Wl,perl.so -o .libs/perl.so
[02:14] <ZincX> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lperl
[02:14] <ZincX> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[02:14] <ZincX> make[4] : *** [perl.la] Error 1
[02:14] <ZincX> make[4] : Leaving directory `/home/sasquach/xchat-2.4.4/plugins/perl'
[02:14] <ZincX> how come that is happenin ?
[02:14] <rizla> how can i know what's the installation dir of a specific program?
[02:14] <laxise> log?
[02:14] <catfox> ZincX, looks like you dont have perl-dev installed
[02:15] <clem_yeats> rizla : is the prog in your path ?
[02:15] <thoreauputic> rizla: dpkg -L <packagename>
[02:15] <thoreauputic> rizla: there's no specific installation dir in linux
[02:15] <kemik> ZincX: try getting libperl-dev or such
[02:15] <clem_yeats> thoreauputic : isn't /opt for that ?
[02:15] <rizla> yes, i know, thoreauputic
[02:16] <rizla> thanx
[02:16] <ZincX> hmm
[02:16] <thoreauputic> clem_yeats: only for 3rd part apps etc
[02:16] <thoreauputic> * third party apps
[02:16] <francesco> ciao
[02:16] <hmrocha> some packages tell me that they're not authenticated
[02:17] <hmrocha> how can i change this?
[02:18] <Digital_Warrior0> where are the network config files located
[02:18] <thoreauputic> /etc/network/interfaces , mostly
[02:19] <Digital_Warrior0> thanks
[02:19] <Digital_Warrior0> trying to set up ip forwarding
[02:19] <Digital_Warrior0> through ab ipv4 alias
[02:20] <thoreauputic> there's a one-liner for ip forwarding , but I can never remember it :(
[02:21] <Digital_Warrior0> oh thanks
[02:21] <Digital_Warrior0> what is the line for an ip alias
[02:22] <nightswim> ip addr a yourip dev eth0
[02:22] <thoreauputic> "echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" <--- was what I was trying to remember
[02:22] <kemik> echo "2" > thomerz
[02:22] <kemik> arfgh
[02:23] <kemik> well, it's getting old anyways :)
[02:23] <thoreauputic> kemik: you called ? *grin*
[02:23] <Hobbsee> hey all - if i'm installing a beta version of open office 2, do i need to get rid of open office 1.1? If so, will it affect anything else?
[02:23] <Sly> just a quickie
[02:23] <Sly> anyone ever beat four in a row ?
[02:23] <HrdwrBoB> yeah me
[02:23] <HrdwrBoB> rm 4inrow
[02:24] <azriel0184> Sly, nope, tried and tried though
[02:24] <kemik> :/
[02:24] <jaqkar> kemik: study!!!
[02:24] <kemik> jaqkar: mini-breaks !! ;)
[02:24] <Sly> :( lost again
[02:24] <ORiON> so, anyword on the forums coming back up?
[02:25] <jaqkar> kemik: lol
[02:25] <ORiON> or is it just me?
[02:25] <Sly> HrdweBoB , did you cheat ?
[02:25] <Hobbsee> it's not just you ORiON
[02:26] <kemik> *gone again* :(
[02:26] <thoreauputic> ORiON: the whole site seems to have died a horrible death today...
[02:26] <HrdwrBoB> Sly: if you edit the memory of the program while it's operating it's amazing what you can do :D
[02:26] <ORiON> thoreauputic: yikes, that's too bad
[02:26] <blacksky> hi...
[02:26] <thoreauputic> ORiON: I spoke metaphorically....
[02:26] <thoreauputic> ;)
[02:27] <azriel0184> HrdwrBoB, i believe that constitutes cheating.... but your right, it is amazing ;)
[02:27] <Sly> k let me reprase that ....... anyone beat four in a row without cheating ?
[02:27] <ORiON> thoreauputic: oh, I was having images of someone stabbing a server repeatedly with a rusty ice pick.
[02:27] <HrdwrBoB> azriel0184: you're but yeah :)
[02:27] <thoreauputic> ORiON: *grin*
[02:28] <thoreauputic> ORiON: nice image ...
[02:28] <Hobbsee> very nice image!
[02:28] <Sly> whos got some nice themes ?
[02:28] <Sly> bored as hell and nothing to do cumtomize time
[02:30] <jaqkar> who knows webmin?
[02:30] <jaqkar> pftt
[02:31] <ubuntu_> ur mom
[02:31] <jaqkar> mean who can help me with access
[02:31] <ubuntu_> ur mom
[02:31] <thoreauputic> ubotu, webmin
[02:31] <ubotu> To use webmin with ubuntu you have to add a webmin-root account with : /usr/share/webmin/changepass.pl /etc/webmin root "password", or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WebminWithoutARootAccount
[02:31] <jaqkar> since ubuntu doesnt have root
[02:31] <jaqkar> awesome thx
[02:31] <thoreauputic> jaqkar: ^^^
[02:32] <ORiON> If there are any people running breezy in here, I'm getting on error on a dist-upgrade about xlibmesa-dri and libgl1-xorg-dri trying to overwrite each other with "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/gamma_dri.so". Any suggestions on a solution?
[02:32] <jaqkar> thoreauputic: @@@
[02:32] <thoreauputic> ?
[02:32] <jaqkar> thoreauputic: :p
[02:33] <thoreauputic> !!!!
[02:33] <ubotu> thoreauputic: I give up, what is it?
[02:33] <thoreauputic> hahah
[02:33] <ubuntu_> !!!
[02:33] <ubotu> I heard ! is what you add before a sentence to talk to me
[02:33] <ubuntu_> hehe
[02:33] <thoreauputic> !botsnack
[02:33] <ubotu> thanks thoreauputic :)
[02:33] <bimberi> Hobbsee: i've got both OpenOffices installed and they seem to coexist happily
[02:33] <Hobbsee> ok, thanks
[02:33] <umboto> anyone know why xine doesn't play mkv files correcly? i get video but no audio track, they work on vlc and mplayer fine
[02:34] <bimberi> yw
[02:34] <ejumpz> where to get a good themes for my ubuntu desktop??
[02:34] <linukso> art.gnome.ortg
[02:34] <linukso> arg! .org
[02:34] <umboto> http://www.gnome-look.or
[02:34] <bimberi> !themes
[02:34] <ubotu> it has been said that themes is at http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/ - http://www.guistyles.com
[02:34] <umboto> http://www.gnome-look.org
[02:34] <bimberi> 'nuff said
[02:35] <ejumpz> uh..thanks..
[02:35] <bimberi> overload? :)
[02:35] <james_> I can't get any sound, my speakers are plugged in and turned on, and they were working fine when I had windows installed, how do I troubleshoot?
[02:35] <thoreauputic> ejumpz: well, you asked ;-)
[02:35] <thoreauputic> !sound
[02:35] <ubotu> methinks sound is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063 or http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/
[02:36] <deufo> i peeps, i can't find my /dev/sdb
[02:36] <jedipottsy> hi
[02:36] <jedipottsy> how do i install .tgz files?
[02:36] <umboto> use file roller?
[02:36] <ubuntu_> ./install :P
[02:36] <linukso> jedipottsy: depends... is it an bsd or slackware packag?
[02:37] <thoreauputic> jedipottsy: generally you try not to - what are you installing?
[02:37] <deufo> jedipottsy, just untar it
[02:37] <jedipottsy> inside the tar is a folder called "."
[02:37] <jaqkar> uhmm
[02:37] <ejumpz> today is my 1st experience using ubuntu..and i think it nice..: )
[02:37] <jaqkar> where is all the stuff
[02:37] <umboto> tar -help
[02:37] <jaqkar> in webmin
[02:37] <jedipottsy> then inside that "etc" "opt" "usr"
[02:37] <Hobbsee> ejumpz - same here, it's very nice!
[02:38] <thoreauputic> jedipottsy: erm.. what are you trying to install ?
[02:38] <deufo> untar it in /
[02:38] <jedipottsy> point2play
[02:38] <deufo> tar jzxvf thingy.tgz /
[02:38] <deufo> i think
[02:39] <thoreauputic> jaqkar: you probably need some wevmin modules - apt-cache search webmin
[02:39] <jedipottsy> tar: Conflicting compression options
[02:39] <muffin_> do i have to install directx and windows graphic drivers to play games with wine??
[02:39] <deufo> zxvf then
[02:39] <deufo> i can't really remember the flags
[02:39] <deufo> or maybe its just xvf
[02:39] <jedipottsy> ahh thnx :D
[02:39] <Ng> muffin_: you don't need to install either
[02:40] <Ng> muffin_: but you may need cedega and the game may not work at all
[02:40] <deufo> jedipottsy, u'll find it hard to remove :D
[02:40] <UbUnTuThingy> bak
[02:40] <muffin_> Ng, thx, its just diablo 2
[02:40] <jedipottsy> how do i run the program now?
[02:41] <umboto> protien shakes are good
[02:41] <aadis> hello all
[02:41] <umboto> yumm
[02:41] <Ng> muffin_: http://www.frankscorner.org/index.php?p=diablo2 might help
[02:41] <aadis> ok, i *am* using breezy
[02:41] <aadis> and xbase-clients is empty of all bins. any place to get 'em?
[02:41] <james_> is there anywhere on the Ubuntu web site where I can search a knowledgebase for troubleshooting documents?
[02:41] <jaqkar> thoreauputic>i get a huge list of stuff
[02:42] <HrdwrBoB> aadis: install x-window-system
[02:42] <thoreauputic> jaqkar: yeah, I know
[02:42] <deufo> is ubuntu forum down?
[02:42] <thoreauputic> jaqkar: apt-cache search webmin | grep <what you need>
[02:42] <ejumpz> i need your opinion..what is the best samba browser?
[02:43] <HrdwrBoB> ejumpz: nautilus
[02:43] <HrdwrBoB> ejumpz: it's all there already
[02:43] <HrdwrBoB> :)
[02:43] <aadis> HrdwrBoB: do you mean x-window-system-core ?
[02:43] <thoreauputic> jaqkar: or just apt-cache search webmin | less to browse...
[02:43] <HrdwrBoB> aadis: I meant x-window-system, but sure
[02:43] <HrdwrBoB> I may have got it wrong
[02:43] <aadis> HrdwrBoB: x-window-system is not there. some package mentions it, but not actually
[02:44] <HrdwrBoB> ah
[02:44] <jedipottsy> deufo, w8 it extracted the files, but how do i extract the files to the correct location?
[02:44] <aadis> HrdwrBoB: are you running breezy? can you tell me if xfontsel is actually in x-window-system-core ?
[02:44] <ejumpz> thanks HrdwrBoB
[02:44] <jedipottsy> deufo, its extracted them to my home directory
[02:44] <deufo> jedipottsy, it is in the correct location
[02:44] <HrdwrBoB> aadis: no I'm not
[02:44] <aadis> it's getting tedious to use *emacs* font selector to see all X fonts... :(
[02:44] <HrdwrBoB> ejumpz: no worries
[02:45] <aadis> ok, i'll get it anyway! thanks :)
[02:45] <jaqkar> thoreauputic: i suck :P
[02:45] <jedipottsy> deufo, i have 3 folders, etc, usr opt in my home directory
[02:45] <jaqkar> thoreauputic: how do i know what i need
[02:45] <thoreauputic> jedipottsy: I don't know the program, but there's usually a README file
[02:45] <Ng> aadis: it's in xbase-clients according to packages.ubuntu.com
[02:45] <deufo> jedipottsy, extract it in /
[02:45] <jedipottsy> k
[02:45] <thoreauputic> jaqkar: well, what do you want to use webmin to do?
[02:46] <jaqkar> thoreauputic: all the default stuff
[02:46] <thoreauputic> ?
[02:46] <jaqkar> thoreauputic: i used to install and it had a bunch of stuff
[02:46] <thoreauputic> jaqkar: If you don't know where you are going, any road will get you there ;)
[02:46] <jaqkar> thoreauputic: never had to configure individual modules
[02:47] <aadis> Ng: packages.ubuntu.com is actually out of date... atleast for breezy
[02:47] <Ng> fair enough :)
[02:47] <jaqkar> thoreauputic: touche
[02:47] <thoreauputic> jaqkar: just kidding ;)
[02:47] <jedipottsy> how do i enabled 3d acceleration?
[02:48] <aadis> who here *is* running breezy?
[02:48] <deufo> jedipottsy, ubuntu should have it enabled by default
[02:48] <jaqkar> thoreauputic: i normally get lost
[02:48] <anacron> im going to change my graphicscard today, do i have to do something special to get it work right?
[02:48] <deufo> jedipottsy, do glxgears
[02:48] <jedipottsy> i have the 8.14.13 ati drivers installed
[02:48] <jedipottsy> its not on
[02:48] <clem_yeats> anacron: just avoid ATI
[02:48] <deufo> can someone help me with my sd* issues
[02:48] <jaqkar> thoreauputic: before when i used webmin it had all the modules configured
[02:48] <jaqkar> ati sucks
[02:48] <aadis> deufo: what is the issue?
[02:49] <deufo> aadis, i dun have sd* in /dev
[02:49] <aadis> jaqkar: indeed. breaks hibernate as well...
[02:49] <anacron> clem_yeats: i know
[02:49] <jedipottsy> im only getting 300fps on a 9800pro
[02:49] <anacron> im changing my 6600 to gt model
[02:49] <deufo> aadis, i tried it with acpi=no in grub and it works, but i want acpi
[02:49] <jaqkar> anacron: try getting nvidia
[02:49] <HrdwrBoB> deufo: then you don't have theright drivers loaded
[02:49] <xerox> Hi.
[02:49] <jedipottsy> how do i enabled 3d acceleration?
[02:49] <xerox> Is it possible to run arbitrary application fullscreen?
[02:50] <anacron> jaqkar: im buing asus
[02:50] <xerox> E.g. Emacs.
[02:50] <HrdwrBoB> !nvidia
[02:50] <ubotu> [nvidia] at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or quick optimizations https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia?highlight=%28nvidia%29
[02:50] <deufo> HrdwrBoB, i loaded usb-storage, sd_mod,
[02:50] <HrdwrBoB> deufo: it should auto load
[02:50] <HrdwrBoB> if it hasn't, something is wrong
[02:50] <deufo> HrdwrBoB, btw, i did a server installation
[02:50] <HrdwrBoB> ...
[02:50] <HrdwrBoB> why?
[02:50] <deufo> i didn;'t want gnome
[02:50] <deufo> i want xfce
[02:51] <anacron> ...
[02:51] <HrdwrBoB> argh well good luck with that
[02:51] <deufo> lol
[02:51] <jedipottsy> deufo, sudo apt-get install xfce
[02:51] <anacron> isn't it easier to install gnome and then install xfce and uninstall just gnome then
[02:51] <HrdwrBoB> anacron: correct!
[02:51] <deufo> jedipottsy, u got ati dirver loaded in xorg.conf
[02:51] <HrdwrBoB> 10 points :)
[02:51] <jedipottsy> deufo, yeah
[02:51] <deufo> anacron, i tried, but its still more bloated than wat i have currently
[02:52] <deufo> jedipottsy, glxinfo
[02:52] <linukso> xerox: run emacs from gnome terminal, it can run in fullscreen mode
[02:52] <HrdwrBoB> anacron: how big is your hard drive
[02:52] <HrdwrBoB> er
[02:52] <HrdwrBoB> deufo:
[02:52] <jedipottsy> direct rendering: No
[02:52] <deufo> HrdwrBoB, 30 gigs
[02:52] <anacron> HrdwrBoB: hd1 160gb, hd2 120gb hd3 80gb
[02:52] <thesamet> Does anyone else experience locale problems with breezy?
[02:53] <HrdwrBoB> deufo: and you can't spare a few hundred mb (tops) for gnome
[02:53] <deufo> thesamet, u mean the gtk one?
[02:53] <HrdwrBoB> anacron: :)
[02:53] <deufo> HrdwrBoB, i need space for anime
[02:53] <anacron> HrdwrBoB: me too :D
[02:53] <anacron> amm
[02:53] <HrdwrBoB> deufo: badly enough to have a broken system?
[02:53] <anacron> that was no for you
[02:53] <Determinist> lo guys
[02:53] <deufo> HrdwrBoB, roger that
[02:53] <thesamet> I think it does cannot find locale files
[02:53] <HrdwrBoB> deufo: I have news for you, hard drives are cheap :)
[02:53] <anacron> HrdwrBoB: i meant to ask why do you wan't to know?
[02:53] <HrdwrBoB> VERY cheap
[02:53] <jedipottsy> how do i enable direct renderingf
[02:53] <UbUnTuThingy> question lol i forgot the command to restart samba
[02:53] <jedipottsy> how do i enable direct rendering*
[02:53] <deufo> HrdwrBoB, i'm poor
[02:53] <HrdwrBoB> anacron: it wasn't meant for you :)
[02:54] <anacron> haha
[02:54] <xerox> linukso: exactly what I'm referring about - is gnome-terminal the only application that can run in proper fullscreen, under GNOME?
[02:54] <thoreauputic> UbUnTuThingy: sudo invoke-rc,d samba restart
[02:54] <linukso> xerox: no, epiphany can, evince can, firefox too I think
[02:54] <xerox> linukso: I do not like this solution because gnome-terminal gives really awful colors to Emacs (and a very low number of them).
[02:54] <anacron> so we both talk to each other, even we don't have anything to talk about, that's wasting of time
[02:54] <thoreauputic> UbUnTuThingy: oops the comma should be a dot
[02:55] <thoreauputic> invoke-rc.d
[02:55] <linukso> xerox: you can change the colors in gnome-term, so that shouldn't be a problem.
[02:55] <deufo> HrdwrBoB, btw, doesnt gnome use gnome-volume-manager to do the mouting, if i remove gnome, i won't have gnome-vlolume-manager hence i'll still have the same problem
[02:55] <thesamet> when I type locale, I get: locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
[02:56] <deufo> someone here must know how to get /dev/sd* to work
[02:56] <deufo> stop hiding
[02:56] <xerox> linukso: it is a problem - i.e. Emacs does have less colors in font-highlighting and such, it's awful to the eye.
[02:57] <jaqkar> anacron: thanks managed to get it sorted
[02:57] <UbUnTuThingy> it didnt work lol :(
[02:57] <linukso> xerox: ok, but I don't have another solution to running emacs in fullscreen under gnome, sorry.
[02:57] <giard> is the warning about breezy still in effect? I saw they just released a new breezy test
[02:57] <thoreauputic> !doesn't work
[02:57] <jaqkar> anacron: sry not u :p
[02:57] <ubotu> from memory, doesn't work is something you should never say. Be more specific.
[02:57] <aadis> xerox: full screen is a function of window manager
[02:57] <xerox> linukso: thank you anyway :-)
[02:57] <jaqkar> thoreauputic: thanks managed to get it sorted
[02:58] <thoreauputic> jaqkar: :)
[02:58] <thesamet> how do i set the system default locale?
[02:58] <linukso> xerox: if you want a great wm for running apps i fullscreen I can recommend wmii-2
[02:58] <deufo> did ubuntu forum go down?
[02:58] <aadis> i don't know about metacity and others allow you. sawfish is one.
[02:58] <xerox> aadis: yes, I was hoping it could be possible to run arbitrary applications fullscreen.
[02:58] <UbUnTuThingy> samba restart
[02:58] <thoreauputic> thesamet: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[02:58] <aadis> linukso: yeah, i use wmii too
[02:58] <jaqkar> thoreauputic: maybe you can advise me on the rest of my setup
[02:58] <laxise> please how do you install system wide java 1.5?
[02:58] <xerox> linukso: I'll take a look, thank you.
[02:58] <laxise> so I could have java plugins in mozilla?
[02:58] <laxise> thanx
[02:58] <laxise> mozilla-firefox
[02:59] <thoreauputic> UbUnTuThingy: sudo invoke-rc.d samba restart
[02:59] <UbUnTuThingy> neva mind thoreauputic
[02:59] <thoreauputic> UbUnTuThingy: ?
[02:59] <azriel0184> how much trouble is it to install a different wm to gnome?
[02:59] <linukso> xerox: but it's rather different compared to you "everyday" wm :), think more of gnu-screen
[02:59] <UbUnTuThingy> some how it failed to restart
[02:59] <Hobbsee> laxise - it's in the ubuntuguide
[03:00] <xerox> linukso: I have used ion before ion-2, and fvwm2 too :-) I never heard of wmii-2, tough.
[03:00] <Hobbsee> laxise: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[03:00] <thoreauputic> UbUnTuThingy: it should have complained then
[03:00] <laxise> Hobbsee: ok, where is the page? Or you mean the off
[03:00] <linukso> arphetic: changing the gnome wm doen't make much sense (at least in my opinion), but using a different wm with ubuntu is a piece of cake...
[03:00] <laxise> Hobbsee: oh thanx :P
[03:00] <UbUnTuThingy> just said [fail]
[03:00] <Hobbsee> no problems - check it out - it's really, really useful
[03:00] <linukso> xerox: ah, then it should be familiar to you.
[03:00] <Hobbsee> laxise: there's an index at the top for easy reference :)
[03:01] <aadis> ah, great. xfontsel and xev still missing
[03:01] <UbUnTuThingy> now somehow before it disabled windows networking support
[03:01] <linukso> xerox: is a complete rewrite of the old wmi, inspired by lars/evil/ratpoison etc. But it feels very nice, and has got some nice features which makes it a breeze to use :)
[03:01] <aadis> time to get the source and compile!
[03:01] <rayde> so when a kernel update comes in (like today) does it only install the new sources (meaning I'd have to rebuild a kernel to use it) or is it somehow magically updating my kernel through the update procedure
[03:01] <laxise> Hobbsee: but that is jre, I need to run it with sdk
[03:01] <laxise> do the same rules apply?
[03:01] <xerox> linukso: I don't exactly know if I really want to switch from GNOME tough... its ubuntu bounties are kind of useful sometimes :-)
[03:01] <aadis> xerox: it also incorporates ideas from plan9
[03:02] <laxise> I see it ;)
[03:02] <laxise> it is the same
[03:02] <xerox> aadis: cool, what exactly?
[03:02] <Hobbsee> laxise: oh good, i've got no idea...
[03:02] <UbUnTuThingy> samba is somehow fucked lol
[03:02] <deltron> language
[03:03] <Hobbsee> apart from being defensive, how's anyone supposed to be able to help you with that?
[03:03] <UbUnTuThingy> sorry
[03:03] <Hobbsee> *offensive
[03:03] <UbUnTuThingy> its just really annoying
[03:03] <thoreauputic> rayde: if you mean through apt/synaptic etc, it just installs the new kernel automagically
[03:03] <Seveas> UbUnTuThingy, then fix it :)
[03:04] <UbUnTuThingy> when i enabled windows networking again the network setup dialog crashed
[03:04] <thoreauputic> UbUnTuThingy: Tridge lives in Canberra - send him a note ;)
[03:04] <umboto> hey i can't find smeg the gnome menu editor on synaptic
[03:04] <UbUnTuThingy> could that be part of the reason
[03:04] <Seveas> !smeg
[03:04] <ubotu> rumour has it, smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[03:04] <umboto> or on apt-get on console
[03:04] <umboto> oh
[03:04] <rayde> thoreauputic: hmm... should i be seeing a change in the response to uname -a after the newer kernel is sintalled?
[03:04] <umboto> thanks
[03:04] <azriel0184> rayde, a reboot is required to use the new kernel though
[03:04] <thoreauputic> rayde: only if you reboot
[03:05] <rayde> azriel0184 thoreauputic: gotcha :) thanks
[03:05] <ce-fanky> hiiiiii
[03:05] <UbUnTuThingy> this isnt a problem in australia lol
[03:05] <umboto> hey will that smeg binary work on the amd64 release?
[03:06] <Seveas> umboto, yes
[03:06] <umboto> thanks Seveas
[03:06] <thoreauputic> UbUnTuThingy: you know who Tridge is, right?
[03:06] <xerox> Err, sorry - Emacs crashed ?!
[03:06] <jaqkar> thoreauputic: i am trying to setup ubuntu as a gateway and transparent proxy
[03:07] <xerox> aadis: did I miss any answr?
[03:07] <xerox> answer, even.
[03:07] <thoreauputic> jaqkar: beyond my level I'm afraid
[03:07] <muffin_> hm, my diablo 2 says "Error22:A critical error has occured while initializing DirectDraw". So i really don't have to install DirectX???
[03:07] <bwlang> i get this message when i try to install kdebase-dev - Failed to fetch http://ubuntu.mirrors.tds.net/ubuntu/pool/main/libg/libgcrypt11/libgcrypt11-dev_1.2.0-11_i386.deb MD5Sum mismatch how can i fix the problem?
[03:07] <thoreauputic> jaqkar: you probably want to install squid is all I know
[03:07] <jaqkar> thoreauputic: thx
[03:08] <Seveas> azriel0184, uname -a will tell you
[03:08] <UbUnTuThingy> no lol
[03:08] <umboto> smeg depends on python-xdg (>= 0.14); however:
[03:08] <umboto> Version of python-xdg on system is 0.9-1.
[03:08] <umboto> dpkg: error processing smeg (--install):
[03:08] <jaqkar> can anyone else help me with config of gateway and transparent proxy
[03:08] <umboto> ??
[03:08] <UbUnTuThingy> i live about 600 miles from canberra lol
[03:09] <thoreauputic> UbUnTuThingy: tridge is the guy who wrote the original samba ;-)
[03:09] <thoreauputic> UbUnTuThingy: Andrew Tridgell from memory
[03:09] <bwlang> hmm - it's just a problem with that mirror... other mirrors work okay.
[03:10] <setite> anyoen had a crack at OSx86 yet?
[03:10] <UbUnTuThingy> oh ok
[03:10] <rapha> Hi all!
[03:10] <ORiON> setite: in vmware
[03:10] <ORiON> setite: haven't tried native
[03:10] <bimberi> jaqkar: have you considered a distribution made for the purpose - such as IPCop - http://ipcop.org/
[03:11] <rapha> Is there something like thunderbird as a webmail solution, i.e. that can handle multiple SMTP & POP3 servers?
[03:11] <{Seb}> rapha: Hula?
[03:11] <zwnj> i removed apache ("""apt-get remove apache""") but already have "/etc/apache" and "/etc/init.d/apache". what's wrong?
[03:11] <{Seb}> rapha: you can have several 'agents' for POP, IMAP, SMTP etc..
[03:11] <ORiON> zwnj: you need to purge the configs
[03:11] <rapha> {Seb}: I'll try that, thanks!
[03:11] <setite> ORiON: what do you think are the advantages...??
[03:11] <setite> media apps?
[03:12] <setite> im thinking of picking it up to try
[03:12] <{Seb}> rapha: what was that?
[03:12] <zwnj> ORiON: how? with apt-get or what?
[03:12] <Seveas> zwnj, try dpkg -P apache
[03:12] <umboto> did anyone else get that error i got, when trying to install the smeg deb?
[03:12] <zwnj> thanks all :)
[03:12] <ce-fanky> jhghjghj
[03:12] <ORiON> setite: not really, I can't use any rosetta apps, no itunes :(.
[03:12] <jaqkar> bimberi: i have also looked at smoothwall but i really dont want to get rid of ubuntu
[03:12] <Seveas> umboto, hmm, I don't know whether there are amd64 binaries for the dependencies...
[03:12] <Seveas> let me check
[03:13] <muffin_> hm, my diablo 2 says "Error22:A critical error has occured while initializing DirectDraw". So i really don't have to install DirectX???
[03:13] <rapha> {Seb}: I said I will try Hula. But do you know if I'll need root access to my webserver? Because I only can FTP to it...
[03:13] <{Seb}> rapha: you need root access
[03:13] <bimberi> jaqkar: fair enough. Although it you've got an older pc hanging around the minspecs for ipcop are quite low
[03:13] <{Seb}> rapha: also, hula is a email server - not a web application
[03:13] <srijith> quick question on the latest kernel security update
[03:13] <{Seb}> rapha: you need to install packages or compile from SVN
[03:13] <rapha> Too bad :-/
[03:13] <pitti> srijith: yes?
[03:14] <srijith> once I update using synaptic, do I get a choice of the old kernel and new or will the new one displace the old one?
[03:14] <Seveas> srijith, no
[03:14] <srijith> no as in?
[03:14] <ORiON> muffin_: cedega translates directx, you don't need to install it
[03:14] <pitti> srijith: since this update doesn't change the ABI, it will just replace
[03:14] <Seveas> no as in the new package will overwrite the older in this upgrade
[03:15] <srijith> oh ok.. now I really need to know what the heck are the changes in the HP customised version.. hopefully nothing in the kernel images
[03:16] <aadis> man, i finally had to get xbase-clients from debian/unstable. extract files manually and put them in my ~/bin
[03:16] <kevor> how to do a commandline screenshot?
[03:16] <kemik> kevor: not inside X?
[03:16] <jaqkar> bimberi: the old pc i do have is now used for ubuntu
[03:17] <kemik> kevor: copy-paste is usually good for "screenshotting" commandlines
[03:17] <bimberi> jaqkar: and runs it very well i expect :)
arphetic: changing the gnome wm doen't make much sense (at least in my opinion), but using a different wm with ubuntu is a piece of cake..
[03:17] <arphetic> ?
[03:17] <rapha> {Seb}: Is there nothing that is just a client?
[03:17] <kevor> no, a command to make a screenshot of X
[03:17] <kemik> jaqkar: tried quicktables? (i fell asleep with my book :/ )
[03:17] <jaqkar> bimberi: it does :)
[03:18] <aadis> xwd takes screenshots
[03:18] <jaqkar> kemik: damn, and all this time i thought ure hard at work
[03:18] <jaqkar> kemik: still trying to figure out how to combine the iptables with squid
[03:19] <Determinist> Seveas, do you happen to know a good place to learn of the debian/ubuntu boot script system?
[03:19] <kemik> jaqkar: well i've been reading :) so i've not slept too much :)
[03:19] <jaqkar> kemik: what you studying for?
[03:19] <kemik> jaqkar: Virtual Reality course.. 3d-programming in c++
[03:20] <Seveas> Determinist, man init
[03:20] <Determinist> Seveas, thanks
[03:20] <Seveas> Determinist, and /etc/init.d/skeleton
[03:20] <jaqkar> kemik: freaky, u planning to become a game designer
[03:21] <{Seb}> rapha: why not try Horde/IMP?
[03:21] <jaqkar> ai ai forum is still down
[03:21] <umboto> hey Seveas any luck on the smeg for amd64?
[03:21] <fluffybunny_> !xmms
[03:21] <ubotu> fluffybunny_: Are you on ritalin?
[03:21] <srijith> is the forums down?
[03:21] <ORiON> yup
[03:21] <srijith> k
[03:22] <jaqkar> y
[03:22] <fluffybunny_> funny, ok, who'se an xmms expert?\
[03:22] <UbUnTuThingy> im back, restart didnt help samba at all
[03:22] <kemik> jaqkar: nah, it's just a course i've taken... of course, it would be fun but i dont think i'll do game-programming...
[03:22] <UbUnTuThingy> i mite need to load the backup version
[03:22] <fluffybunny_> is there a way to rate your songs in xmms? or a plugin or something that can do that?
[03:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> !repositries
[03:22] <ubotu> Kamping_Kaiser: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> !backports
[03:23] <ubotu> backports are applications with newer versions on a stable distributions. Ubuntu backports can be found in the hoary-backports section
[03:23] <kemik> !repositories
[03:23] <ubotu> [repositories] at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool.
[03:23] <jaqkar> fluffybunny: you might want to check out www.jinzora.org if your serious about your media
[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> tahnks
[03:23] <jaqkar> fluffybunny_: you might want to check out www.jinzora.org if your serious about your media
[03:24] <fernando> hi all
[03:24] <jaqkar> !dude
[03:24] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, jaqkar
[03:24] <fernando> anyone have experience with wpa-psk ipw2200 ?
[03:24] <umboto> dam smeg is only for i386
[03:24] <ORiON> jaqkar: never seen that before, you use it?
[03:24] <jaqkar> lol
[03:24] <umboto> oh well, gotta write my own .desktop files
[03:25] <umboto> :-/
[03:25] <fernando> No keys have been configured - skip key clearing
[03:25] <alex__> can anyone help to find the package that will allow my to communicate with an apple mac ?
[03:25] <DrKayBee> is ubuntuforums.org down?
[03:25] <jaqkar> ORiON: yes i do, its so amazing and seems not alot of people know it
[03:25] <fernando> yes
[03:25] <james_> can you install internet explorer on Ubuntu?
[03:26] <jaqkar> ORiON: and you can listen to your own stuff from anywhere really, hence the slogan "free your media"
[03:26] <jaqkar> james_: dude!
[03:26] <DrKayBee> alex - how do you want to communicate with the mac?
[03:26] <bimberi> james_: why on earth...?
[03:26] <setite> bimberi: because FF is gimp
[03:26] <jaqkar> james_: why for?
[03:27] <srijith> james_, using wine, I think you can
[03:27] <Seveas> umboto?
[03:27] <setite> i will be doing it too... because i cant do some thing in FF linux tghat i can in FF win or MSIE
[03:27] <umboto> yes?
[03:27] <Pac> !wlan
[03:27] <setite> i should do it right now actually... i need my xm radio
[03:27] <ubotu> Pac: Are you on ritalin?
[03:27] <bimberi> setite: oh ... yes ... right ... Huh?
[03:27] <Pac> !wireless
[03:27] <ubotu> I guess wireless is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[03:27] <umboto> Seveas, ?
[03:27] <fernando> Seveas ubuntuforums.org is out ?
[03:28] <james_> i don't understand how to install anything , or how to play games online, i can't figure out how to download games
[03:28] <jaqkar> setite: like what activeX stuff?
[03:28] <ORiON> jaqkar: sure better than what I have with mythweb
[03:28] <Seveas> umboto, still working on it, had a little server problem
[03:28] <setite> bimberi: go to xm.com... sign up for the free trial... and it wont work
[03:28] <umboto> i c
[03:28] <srijith> fernando, yup
[03:28] <setite> jaqkar: wmp9 streaming media
[03:28] <bimberi> setite: ah - i c now
[03:28] <fernando> =(
[03:28] <james_> what is wine?
[03:28] <srijith> !wine
[03:28] <setite> bimberi: i hate to do it.. biut im not gonna buy more xm hardware... so i need it over the net
[03:28] <setite> WINE Is Not and Emulator
[03:28] <setite> an*
[03:28] <bimberi> setite: although i still don't know what "is gimp" meant :)
[03:29] <Seveas> umboto, you need to backport a few packages yourself if you want to use smeg
[03:29] <umboto> oh.
[03:29] <jaqkar> setite: sure there is no way of getting wmp9 in firefox?
[03:29] <umboto> is their a tutorial?
[03:29] <james_> i need help
[03:29] <Determinist> who runs ubuntuforums.org anyways?
[03:30] <jaqkar> we need a backup forum
[03:30] <srijith> james_, install wine and try this link -> http://sidenet.ddo.jp/winetips/config.html
[03:30] <setite> ok ktorrent and the default bt suck
[03:30] <setite> jaqkar: no way that i can find...
[03:30] <james_> ok thank you, is there anything else I should know?
[03:30] <fernando> my wpa_supplicant returning No keys have been configured - skip key clearing. Anyone know why? I have psk="mykey" in config
[03:31] <setite> jaqkar: and using crossover office i couldnt get win ff to install
[03:31] <jaqkar> setite: did you install the codecs and stuff
[03:32] <srijith> james_, best to google... since this is not Ubuntu specific
[03:32] <srijith> james_, a lot of people seems to have done it, so you would get tips and hints from these places
[03:33] <fernando> ?
[03:33] <jaqkar> setite: w32codecs?
[03:33] <muffin_> how do i get sound i wine?
[03:33] <james_> it is kinda ubuntu specific, because I'm used to windows and I don't understand ubuntu, can it run the same kind of applications, and does it have a command prompt like for dos?
[03:33] <fernando> EAP: EAP entering state DISABLED
[03:33] <anthony> HI Whats an alternate web browser thats quicker than Fire fox for Abunta 5,04 56k modem 500 mhz intel box 256 RAM new insatallaton, new user, please?
[03:34] <srijith> james_, what I meant was, emulating windows and running windows programs in generic to Linux as such and not Ubunutu distribution of Linux..
[03:34] <srijith> s/in/is
[03:34] <thoreauputic> question: I just read that you can get the contents of your tty to write to screen.dump by typing " setterm -dump " - but this just gives me the eror: "couldn't read /dev/vcsa0, and cannot ioctl dump" <-- anyone know what this means or how to get it to work?
[03:35] <umboto> sweet
[03:35] <umboto> hey Seveas i got it installed
[03:35] <umboto> i just installed the .14 python and installed smeg
[03:35] <james_> i'm sorry but i don't understand, don't i have linux?
[03:36] <Pac> james_ whats your operating system called?
[03:36] <srijith> james_, wine is a program that emulates windows at the lower level so that windows based programs can run on linux
[03:37] <jaqkar> heck
[03:37] <jaqkar> i need to sort this asap
[03:37] <jaqkar> my isp sucks ballz
[03:37] <setite> jaqkar: yes
[03:37] <Pac> srijith whats the command to see my partitions in terminal?
[03:37] <james_> 32 bit ubuntu linux is my os
[03:37] <srijith> Pac, df?
[03:37] <setite> jaqkar: i cant find anything on it... all threads point to me being buggered with getting wmp9 to play in site
[03:37] <jaqkar> !bot
[03:37] <ubotu> Indeed, that is what I am.
[03:38] <jaqkar> !just checking
[03:38] <ubotu> jaqkar: What?
[03:38] <srijith> james_, since wine runs on a lot of linux distros (not just Ubuntu alone), it is much better to read up on wine
[03:38] <james_> ok so i downloaded wine now what do I do with it, how do i install it
[03:38] <Pac> !fdisk
[03:38] <jaqkar> !nevermind
[03:38] <ubotu> Pac: Bugger all, i dunno
[03:38] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, jaqkar
[03:38] <umboto> thanks for the help Seveas
[03:38] <srijith> james_, in general than "wine in Ubuntu".. of cours exepcet how to install wine in Ubunu
[03:38] <Pac> srijith someone like fdisk mate
[03:39] <thoreauputic> sudo fdisk -l
[03:39] <srijith> Pac, that one
[03:39] <Pac> and i need to remove all partitions
[03:39] <Pac> then re-install windows
[03:39] <Pac> right?
[03:39] <thoreauputic> actually the sudo is superfluous...
[03:39] <jaqkar> thoreauputic: i need help to setup ubuntu as a gateway and transparent proxy
[03:39] <jaqkar> i need help to setup ubuntu as a gateway and transparent proxy
[03:40] <Pac> !ubuntu
[03:40] <ubotu> methinks ubuntu is an easy-to-use GNU/Linux desktop distro based on Debian. http://ubuntu.com http://ubuntuforums.org http://wiki.ubuntu.com. It means 'Humanity to others'. see !awards
[03:40] <jaqkar> thoreauputic: lol, sry
[03:40] <thoreauputic> jaqkar: yeah, I know - I doubt that I can help much
[03:40] <jaqkar> thoreauputic: wasnt meant to you
[03:40] <thoreauputic> jaqkar: OK ;)
[03:40] <jaqkar> thoreauputic: i just went up and entered :p
[03:40] <srijith> Pac, if you need to edit the partition table.. you need "sudo fdisk /dev/hda"
[03:40] <Pac> thoreauputic: if i want to just have windows xp and i have ubuntu at the moment what do i do?
[03:40] <thoreauputic> jaqkar: tut tut *grin*
[03:40] <james_> my computer doesn't know what to open the file with
[03:41] <srijith> Pac, change hda to your system's setting
[03:41] <prower> !freebsd
[03:41] <ubotu> prower: What?
[03:41] <ORiON> jaqkar: any experience with streaming video with Jinzora?
[03:41] <thoreauputic> Pac: I have no idea - I assume you just install XP
[03:41] <srijith> !ubotu
[03:41] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my brain on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[03:41] <jaqkar> ORiON: its audio only as far as i know
[03:42] <thoreauputic> Pac: windows knows nothing about your linux install - I would expect it to overwrite it
[03:42] <Pac> ok ta
[03:42] <ORiON> jaqkar: says it supports avi wmv mpeg and mov
[03:42] <srijith> Pac, thoreauputic is right.. XP is very keen on deleting and formatting anything that you ask it to..
[03:42] <thoreauputic> srijith: heheh
[03:42] <srijith> Pac, including itself *singger*
[03:43] <jaqkar> ORiON: i havent even seen that, only use it for audio
[03:43] <umboto> hey where do wallpapers go in gnome?
[03:43] <Karhuton> Pac: Windows thinks the hard drive is corrupted and wants to format it - or like the boot disk says, the parition might be corrupted by a virus :)
[03:43] <umboto> windows is the virus
[03:43] <thoreauputic> Pac: in other words, windows is brain-dead ;)
[03:43] <feugan3333> Hi all. When I export a variable it is only available in the current shell. Is there any why to export a variable to all shells?
[03:43] <jaqkar> forum is up!!!
[03:43] <jaqkar> forum is up!!!
[03:44] <jaqkar> :p
[03:44] <umboto> panic and run
[03:44] <jaqkar> go go go
[03:44] <Karhuton> feugan3333, you could add it to your .bashrc
[03:44] <UbUnTuThingy> !howcome
[03:44] <ubotu> howcome is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome
[03:44] <umboto> hey were do i put my wallpapers at?
[03:44] <UbUnTuThingy> howcome
[03:44] <umboto> let me google..
[03:44] <srijith> Seveas, any movement on tor?
[03:44] <Karhuton> umboto, drag'n'drop 'em into the background selection dialog
[03:45] <umboto> ok
[03:45] <umboto> well it copy it there?
[03:45] <Karhuton> umboto, Just like you do with all the other theme stuff in Gnome
[03:45] <Karhuton> umboto, I'd guess so :)
[03:45] <umboto> will*
[03:45] <feugan3333> Krahuton: Thanks, do I need to log out before it starts working?
[03:45] <umboto> i don't want to delete the wallpaper
[03:45] <umboto> and not work anymore
[03:45] <umboto> lol
[03:45] <srijith> we really need a backup for forum.. static
[03:45] <UbUnTuThingy> mark
[03:45] <umboto> if so, ill put in a safe place
[03:45] <Karhuton> feugan3333, just restart the gnome-terminal
[03:46] <ekimus> hmm is there _any_ reason why a file outside $HOME (and /var/tmp /tmp) should be owned by a user that is not root?
[03:46] <Karhuton> umboto, try what I said and then rename the original file
[03:46] <srijith> ekimus, why not..
[03:46] <srijith> ekimus, for example /var/log
[03:46] <feugan3333> Karhuton, ah ok. Thanks
[03:46] <Karhuton> umboto, then switch your wallpaper from and back to the image. It won't be able to find it again if it hasn't copied it
[03:46] <ekimus> srijith: i mean more like /usr....
[03:47] <feugan3333> ekimus: lots. Apache home directory for example
[03:47] <mveers> hi
[03:47] <umboto> ok Karhuton
[03:48] <thoreauputic> Seveas: any idea why "setterm -dump " in a tty errors out? --> "couldn't read /dev/vcsa0, and cannot ioctl dump"
[03:48] <ekimus> feugan3333: let me rephrase: user == my day to day user. that would be the first time that I would own (for example) /usr/share/.....
[03:48] <ekimus> seems strange to me for a linux
[03:48] <jedipottsy> so does n1 know how to enable direct rendering with and ATI 9800PRO drivers 8.14.13 installed
[03:49] <azriel0184> direct rendering?
[03:49] <jedipottsy> ye
[03:49] <jedipottsy> 3d acceleration
[03:50] <Karhuton> jedipottsy, you want DRI enabled
[03:50] <jedipottsy> it is#
[03:50] <jedipottsy> its in the xorg file
[03:50] <Seveas> thoreauputic, ENOFRIGGENCLUE
[03:50] <azriel0184> use the fglrx driver
[03:50] <thoreauputic> Seveas: hahah - OK then ;)
[03:50] <Karhuton> jedipottsy, and it should be enabled by default, as long as you have fglrx x driver, kernel driver and suitable internal/external agp configured
[03:51] <Bags> Hello there, ladies and gents.
[03:51] <srijith> ekimus, another example, a uid "privoxy" owns all files inside /etc/privoxy
[03:51] <Bags> It's your worst nightmare noob again.
[03:51] <umboto> hey Karhuton they go in /usr/share/backgrounds :-)
[03:51] <feugan3333> ekimus: if you own /usr/share then yes that is strange!
[03:51] <Bags> Got one for you all here....
[03:51] <Karhuton> jedipottsy, Ubuntu has _old_ fglrx x driver and kernel module installed. You better check you're using the 8.14 versions :\
[03:51] <UbUnTuThingy> ive reinstalled samba and it still doesnt work
[03:51] <jedipottsy> it is
[03:51] <feugan3333> ekimus: which directory are you concerned about?
[03:51] <ekimus> srijith: yes but my user owns files in /etc/skel for example (not talking about system users like apache, postgres or something)
[03:51] <Bags> Just set up a shared folder under gnome and can't access it with any computer on the network.
[03:52] <Bags> Any ideas as to what I've missed here?
[03:52] <Karhuton> jedipottsy, 'fglrxinfo' should suffice for the x driver and check /var/log/xorgsomething.0.log for fglrx version output
[03:52] <prower> Bags: Make sure the Windows machines (if there are any) have their firewalls configured properly
[03:52] <Karhuton> umboto, thanks. Good to know
[03:52] <srijith> ekimus, that is strange
[03:52] <Bags> I can't see where I'm supposed to put in the shares folder privilidges.
[03:52] <jedipottsy> display: :0.0 screen: 0
[03:52] <jedipottsy> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[03:52] <jedipottsy> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[03:52] <jedipottsy> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.2.1)
[03:53] <ekimus> feugan3333: /usr/share/Applications (a package from a 3rd party repository) i wasjust wondering if that is some ubuntu layout or the package that is b0rken
[03:53] <feugan3333> ekimus: which directory?
[03:53] <srijith> !paste
[03:53] <ubotu> paste is, like, totally, please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[03:53] <Determinist> where is it recommended that i put a small util script that i wrote for it to be on the path? /bin?
[03:53] <thoreauputic> Seveas: the error meassage returns only one result on google! /me wins! *g* (and no answer afaict)
[03:53] <ekimus> feugan3333: among others (but all the files that have these permissions are from the mentioned package)
[03:53] <EasterSunshine> hey any of you know about socket w processors?
[03:54] <Karhuton> jedipottsy, Just check the log file I told you about. You want to look for all the messages from fglrx
[03:54] <Determinist> EasterSunshine, never heard of socket W ...
[03:54] <Bags> Oh, the PCs can see it, and I'm presented with a log-in for the share, but it rejects it each time.
[03:54] <EasterSunshine> it is an undocumented intel p4 1.7ghz, it seems no motherboard supports it
[03:54] <HeXiOn> Hi
[03:54] <Bags> prower, Oh, the PCs can see it, and I'm presented with a log-in for the share, but it rejects it each time.
[03:54] <HeXiOn> I have a problem, anybody can help me?
[03:55] <srijith> HeXiOn, we hope to :)
[03:55] <ekimus> EasterSunshine: *lol* so intel built a processor that noone can use?
[03:55] <prower> Bags: Oh, okay...I see...maybe if you change the permissions on the directory
[03:55] <Bags> prower, My other Umbuntu logs right into it.
[03:55] <feugan3333> ekimus: The package might be broken, I assume you were root when you installed.
[03:55] <EasterSunshine> ekimus: yes it was in a dell and you know how dell makes everything custom so you can't upgrade and stuff
[03:55] <HeXiOn> I have 2 discs, one SATA and other PATA, and I have windows on PATA and want to install ubuntu in SATA disk
[03:55] <HeXiOn> but ubuntu just allows me to install it on PATA
[03:55] <Karhuton> ahuman, jedipotsy use 'modinfo fglrx'
[03:55] <Karhuton> What the..
[03:55] <HeXiOn> I have searched info at the web but nothing works..
[03:55] <Karhuton> ahuman, n/m
[03:56] <jedipottsy> (II) LoadModule: "fglrx"
[03:56] <jedipottsy> (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.o
[03:56] <jedipottsy> (II) Module fglrx: vendor="FireGL - ATI Technologies Inc."
[03:56] <jedipottsy> compiled for 6.8.0, module version = 8.14.13
[03:56] <jedipottsy> Module class: X.Org Video Driver
[03:56] <jedipottsy> ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 0.7
[03:56] <Karhuton> DONT PASTE HERE
[03:56] <EasterSunshine> ubotu tell jedipottsy about pastebin
[03:56] <srijith> HeXiOn, I read somewhere that someone who had a similar problem with Hoary had to yank the cable off the PATA disk
[03:56] <hmrocha> hello, i'm having trouble setting up ubuntu logins via AD
[03:56] <hmrocha> can anyone help me?
[03:56] <thoreauputic> 1lart jedipottsy
[03:56] <ekimus> feugan3333: not really, i did it over sudo (gotta look at the sudoers file wether the environment variables are set). think i'll just chown them and see what happens :)
[03:56] <srijith> !paste
[03:56] <ubotu> somebody said paste was please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[03:56] <thoreauputic> bah
[03:56] <srijith> that was for you jedipottsy
[03:56] <Karhuton> jedipottsy, Did you run fglrxconfig?
[03:56] <HeXiOn> I have read that, but bus problem was he wanted to load grub on the mbr of the SATA
[03:57] <Karhuton> jedipottsy, With sudo
[03:57] <HeXiOn> my problem isnt that, because ubunto DONT recognize my SATA drive
[03:57] <prower> hmrocha: Not familiar with Active Directory, sorry...maybe the wiki might have something on it
[03:57] <Bags> prower, Well, I'm logging into it with the same user credentials as the acount under which it presides...
[03:57] <feugan3333> ekimus: not a bad idea, but I think it's likely that they are owned by your user account for a reason.
[03:57] <srijith> HeXiOn, there was someone in the channel today who said Ubuntu installed fine on SATA
[03:58] <HeXiOn> do u have the log?
[03:58] <srijith> HeXiOn, but he had only SATA
[03:58] <prower> Bags: Yes, that should work...I'm not too sure, I only ever set it up once :> Someone in here will probably have a better idea
[03:58] <ekimus> feugan3333: no theis is stuff like the xsession which should clearly _not_ be owned by a normal user
[03:58] <hmrocha> prower, ok, i'll search it
[03:58] <HeXiOn> yes, but if I unplug the PATA, the distro dont recognize any drive
[03:58] <Bags> prower, Ok. Thanks for trying. really apreciate it.
[03:59] <Bags> Anyone in the room help me with this? I'm trying to set up a folder share, but no PCs can log into it.
[03:59] <srijith> HeXiOn, am not a h/w person.. so all I know is what I have heard.. sorry
[03:59] <HeXiOn> thanks anyway srijith :)
[03:59] <bimberi> thoreauputic: I've nutted it out - "sudo cat /dev/vcs1" will dump the contents of tty1
[04:00] <bimberi> thoreauputic: vcs2 for tty2 etc.
[04:00] <thoreauputic> bimberi: aha ! Nice one thanks!
[04:00] <bimberi> thoreauputic: np - "man vcsa" had the clues
[04:01] <infinito> can anyone tell me how to add options to modules on startup?
[04:01] <thoreauputic> bimberi: ah! /me fires up the man page...
[04:01] <feugan3333> ekimus: ahh ok. Well you might try removing the package and then installing again. See if the same permisions are given. If so email the package maintainer and ask.
[04:02] <HeXiOn> anyone has an idea of how to install ubuntu in a SATA drive when theres no modules in the installation CD which works for me??
[04:02] <ekimus> feugan3333: it's an alpha package anyway :)
[04:02] <Karhuton> Hexion, search google with 'linux kernel support <your sata chipset or something>'
[04:02] <Karhuton> Hexion, find out what kernel version supports it
[04:03] <Bags> Anyone in the room help me with this? I'm trying to set up a folder share, but no PCs can log into it.
[04:03] <Karhuton> Hexion, if it is only available as module (not included with the vanilla kernel), you might have to go into compiling it manually
[04:03] <HeXiOn> Karhuton: and when I find it, how do I do to compile during installation?
[04:04] <Karhuton> Is there some wiki article about kernel module compilation?
[04:04] <Determinist> anyone here that has managed to make xmame run under hoary?
[04:04] <zkimel> hi
[04:04] <HeXiOn> Karhuton: I think the kernel can be compiled only in an installed distro, not during installation
[04:04] <Karhuton> Hexion, first find out if there is support for it. No need to worry about compiling beforehand
[04:04] <HeXiOn> maybe I am in an error
[04:05] <Karhuton> Hexion, you can compile new modules for your old kernel (from ubuntu) - if the module supports the kernel version you already have
[04:05] <Pac> *cough* *Cough*
[04:05] <Pac> *cough* *Cough*
[04:05] <Pac> *cough* *Cough*
[04:05] <zkimel> i want to install hoary on my kid's pc, but i don't want him to know the sudo password. is there a way to change it and keep the same gdm logon password?
[04:05] <HeXiOn> ok, I'll try to search better. Thanks Karhuton
[04:05] <Karhuton> HeXiOn, that's the whole point of modules :)
[04:06] <HeXiOn> I havent many experience in so, my level of linux is just user :)
[04:06] <Seveas> zkimel, just make a new user for him
[04:06] <Pac> "Yvonne" yoooohhoooo
[04:06] <HeXiOn> ok, thanks a lot and bye :)
[04:06] <Pac> over here
[04:06] <Seveas> that new user will not have sudo rights
[04:06] <feugan3333> Pac, are you alright. You might want to get that cough checked out.
[04:06] <kemik> !visudo
[04:06] <ubotu> I don't know, kemik
[04:06] <jedipottsy> ok ive run fglrxconfig and restarted and still says 3d acceleration isnt working
[04:07] <kemik> ubotu visudo is a tool to edit the sudoers list.
[04:07] <Karhuton> jedipottsy, did you choose external AGP support or not?
[04:07] <ubotu> okay, kemik
[04:07] <kemik> !visudo
[04:07] <ubotu> it has been said that visudo is a tool to edit the sudoers list.
[04:07] <Yvonne> Pac: :P
[04:07] <jedipottsy> default option
[04:07] <zkimel> Seveas, ok i'll do that. but just by curiosity would it be possible to have only one user account and have a different sudo password?
[04:07] <Pac> yvonne im not pacman btw
[04:07] <Karhuton> jedipottsy, Run the config again, and choose the another one.
[04:08] <jedipottsy> want me to paste my xorg?
[04:08] <Karhuton> jedipottsy, Ummm. Use DCC
[04:08] <kemik> use pastebin
[04:08] <kemik> !pastebin
[04:08] <ubotu> pastebin is, like, totally, a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[04:09] <jedipottsy> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1387
[04:09] <jaqkar> anyone from AU here?
[04:09] <clem_yeats> from where ?
[04:09] <clem_yeats> Australia ?
[04:09] <jaqkar> australia
[04:10] <clem_yeats> I've been there... really nice
[04:10] <clem_yeats> g'day mate ! :))
[04:10] <Karhuton> jedipottsy, Option "UseInternalAGPGART" "no" -> "yes"
[04:11] <infinito> anyone know how to pass options to modules on startup
[04:11] <Karhuton> restart GDM too (push ctrl+alt+backspace in the login window)
[04:11] <plagerism> Is there a package that removes the Debian menu from the Applications menu??
[04:12] <clem_yeats> plagerism : certainly a config file more like
[04:12] <infinito> plagerism: apt-get remove --purge menu
[04:12] <plagerism> infinito and that is just the debian submenu??
[04:12] <jaqkar> clem_yeats: gday m8..lol
[04:12] <jaqkar> clem_yeats: im south african :)
[04:12] <infinito> plagerism: it's the pkg that makes the debian submenu appears
[04:13] <bretzel> Hello :-) - I have tried "splshy" but seemed to not work... I think I am missing something... It was well installed but regarding running it at boot time, I saw no hints on how to enable it
[04:13] <plagerism> Okay cool thank you
[04:13] <infinito> plagerism: if you remove it, tghe debian submenu will go away
[04:13] <jaqkar> clem_yeats: were playing AU tmrow - rugby ;)
[04:13] <clem_yeats> jaqkar: was there a match today ??
[04:13] <jedipottsy> didnt work
[04:13] <thoreauputic> Seveas: worked out the setterm -dump issue : I forgot to use sudo! ( Doh )
[04:13] <jedipottsy> point2play still says 3d acceleration isnt working
[04:13] <jaqkar> clem_yeats: no
[04:14] <lucas> hi
[04:14] <lucas> does the ubuntu cds include memtest ?
[04:14] <clem_yeats> jaqkar: oh tomorrow
[04:14] <lucas> under which name ?
[04:14] <lucas> on which CD ?
[04:14] <lucas> :-)
[04:14] <plagerism> It didnt go away
[04:14] <bretzel> and ... intalled linux kernel 2.6.11 ( image, headers ...etc.. ) and it crashes after first login ...
[04:14] <hmrocha> prower, it's working fine :)
[04:15] <hmrocha> prower, the wiki on this subject is great
[04:15] <jaqkar> clem_yeats: :)
[04:15] <Digital_Warrior0> how do i add a alias ip
[04:15] <clem_yeats> jaqkar: what time is the match on ?
[04:15] <Karhuton> brettcar, yes. Don't use it unless you have to for device support
[04:15] <Karhuton> Damn it
[04:15] <Karhuton> bretzel, yes. Don't use it unless you have to for device support
[04:15] <prower> hmrocha: Ahh, well that's great then :> The wiki is usually pretty helpful
[04:16] <bretzel> 2Karhuton: .6.11 ?
[04:16] <jaqkar> clem_yeats: 18:00 AU time
[04:16] <aadis> anyone here has the pragmata font?
[04:17] <bretzel> Karhuton: I get it.. thanks for the info :-)
[04:17] <ctp> i love ubuntu!!!
[04:17] <Ng> it loves you too ;)
[04:17] <clem_yeats> jaqkar : what time is that in GMT ??
[04:17] <Hans_de_Zwart> how do I install ubuntu when I cannot get my comp to boot from CDROM?
[04:18] <Determinist> i dont get it. why would xmame work like a charm on FC3 and not work at all while spitting weird errors under hoary?
[04:18] <ctp> :) i have every single device i own including HDTV working in my ubuntu machine!
[04:18] <bretzel> About "Splashy" Seems well installed but don't shows at boot time, I am sure I am missing stuff. ( Ubuntu forum don;t explain all the procedures)
[04:18] <zerboxx> When I play some movies in mplayer they're out of sync, while the same movies in xine aren't. I've found online something suggesting to use sdl audio output, but with esd enabled sdl doesn't work. Is there a way around this without killing esd each time I want to play a movie?
[04:18] <plagerism> ctp what kind of hdtv card do you have??
[04:18] <ctp> its called FusionHDTV (i'm in Australia)
[04:19] <plagerism> ctp cool!
[04:19] <ctp> it works great, even though I use Gnome I use kaffeine player which is AWESOME and even allows me to record
[04:19] <deFrysk> hoe noem je letters die naar links hellen ?
[04:19] <ctp> the only thing i can't work out is how to convert the .ts files into divx or something smaller than raw mpeg2
[04:19] <bretzel> ctp: :-) I LOVE it me too!
[04:19] <ctp> :):) its the best distro ever (and I've used LOTS)
[04:20] <thoreauputic> zerboxx: esd isn't recommended for video ( latency)
[04:20] <mr_daemon> Hello. Is there anything that doesn't suck that can handle network locations/profiles without screwing up 3/4th of the time?
[04:20] <Bags> Does anyone here feel like helping a noob with a couple of things?
[04:20] <Ng> ctp: chances are ffmpeg or mencoder can do something with the .ts files
[04:20] <zerboxx> thoreauputic: So I have to kill it each time I want to watch something, or is there another way?
[04:20] <jaqkar> clem_yeats: no idea :p
[04:20] <bretzel> ctp: Same for me ( FC4; SuSE9.3PRO; Mandrake/Mandriva;Slackware )
[04:20] <Bags> Sharing a folder with XP and installing Java into Konquest PPC
[04:20] <ctp> Ng: I think you're right I just haven't spent enough time investigating!
[04:21] <ctp> bretzel, every time I buy a linux magazine I'm tempted to install the shiny distro on the cover, but ubuntu is the first one to make me resist that urge!
[04:21] <Bags> Currently with the network folder share, I can see it on the PC, but authenitcation log-in fails.
[04:21] <thoreauputic> zerboxx: use a different sound output for mplayer - I forget the flags but they are in the man: something like mplayer -ao alsa (could be wrong)
[04:21] <jaqkar> guys can you please check this post: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=58216
[04:21] <ctp> so I guess you guys are all gnome-boys too?
[04:21] <Karhuton> ctp, mencoder is an excellent tool in converting stuff. There might be some GUIs available too. Try looking with Synaptic
[04:21] <zerboxx> thoreauputic: oh ok, but anything other than esd?
[04:21] <ctp> Karuton: thanks heaps I will look right now
[04:22] <Karhuton> ctp, recommend reading the mplayer's documentation on mencoder though
[04:22] <Bags> I'm using the same credentials as the actuall account being used to create the folder, but I can't log into it from a PC with these credentials!!! :-(
[04:22] <Karhuton> ctp, it's a commandline tool so it might not be too newbie friendly
[04:22] <stizoner> im still warming up 2 kubuntu, the difficulty wouldnt be such a hard sell if i could get it to perform as fast as xp
[04:22] <ctp> yeah i definitely will when i get time
[04:22] <thoreauputic> zerboxx: esd is a dog - I disabled it months ago and set up dmix
[04:22] <bretzel> Is that true that ogg has better encoding engine than mp3 ??
[04:22] <ctp> Karhuton: i'm not a newbie IMHO ;)
[04:22] <ctp> so thanks for the tip
[04:22] <zerboxx> thoreauputic: If that's the case, know of a good place to look about doing the same on my system?
[04:22] <Karhuton> thoreauputic, I had problems on my Debian Sarge with dmix locking up devices
[04:23] <thoreauputic> zerboxx: a howto here >> http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/index.php/Setting_up_Dmix_for_ALSA
[04:23] <stizoner> but free is cool
[04:23] <thoreauputic> Karhuton: YMMV - Works Here (tm)
[04:23] <mr_daemon> So there is absolutely no way to simply have more than one network profile and change them on the go?
[04:23] <zerboxx> thoreauputic: And dmix doesn't have the problems esd has, but also lets you have multiple sounds at once?
[04:23] <Karhuton> thoreauputic, Such as playing songs in rhythmbox and flash plugin in Firefox attempting to access the device - after song change the whole program locked up
[04:23] <thoreauputic> zerboxx: with alsa output, yes
[04:24] <zerboxx> thoreauputic: Ok, thanks!
[04:24] <Pac> anyone know a music downloading program for ubuntu
[04:24] <stizoner> xmule
[04:24] <ctp> Pac: gtk-gnutella
[04:24] <ctp> Pac: amule
[04:24] <stizoner> amule
[04:24] <loupous> bonjour
[04:24] <bretzel> Pac: If you have JAVA, try Limewire
[04:24] <thoreauputic> zerboxx: no guarantees, the usual disclaimers apply etc etc
[04:24] <ctp> Pac: limewire
[04:24] <Pac> nice
[04:25] <Pac> ive got LimeWireLinux.rpm on my desktop
[04:25] <loupous> hum hello
[04:25] <stizoner> bah gnutella
[04:25] <Pac> how do i install it
[04:25] <zerboxx> thoreauputic: heh, lets hope that if I mess it up..I can unmess it up :D
[04:25] <bretzel> loupous: bonjour je te conseil #ubuntu-fr pour le francais
[04:25] <thoreauputic> zerboxx: keep notes and backups ;)
[04:25] <Pac> ctp: ive got LimeWireLinux.rpm on my desktop in the file what do i do now.?
[04:25] <zerboxx> thoreauputic: will do
[04:25] <stizoner> bah mp3's im a flac snob :P
[04:25] <loupous> thank Bretzel
[04:26] <ctp> Pac: you don't need a rpm if you use Ubuntu, I will give you a link wait up
[04:26] <Pac> ok ctp
[04:26] <ctp> Pac: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#limewire
[04:26] <stizoner> am i missing it? somewhere where i can turn off 'launch feedback' for everything? i know im just missing where it is
[04:26] <ook> hey.. I'm considering installing ubuntu for home and office. could you tell me, if it's system-wide upgradeable like debian, so you dont have to ever install it again? :)
[04:26] <ctp> that will probablr work even if you don't use ubuntu
[04:26] <ctp> ook: YES
[04:26] <clem_yeats> ook: it is
[04:27] <ctp> ook: it uses the same package management as debian
[04:27] <ook> GREAT :)
[04:27] <Pac> i do use ubuntu :)
[04:27] <bretzel> ctp: I have installed limewire targz from Limewire site and it works great - no special and f(*& RPM/DEB dependency
[04:27] <ctp> Pac: then that guide will help you with setting up limewire plus a bunch of other programs, I follow basically every step in that guide when i set up a new ubuntu machine
[04:27] <stizoner> yeah ook its based on debian
[04:27] <ctp> bretzel: cool!
[04:28] <ook> that's cool, I'm pretty familiar with debian already
[04:28] <Hikaru79> Anyone else having problems with the planetmirror repositories?
[04:28] <Pac> ok thanks ctp :))
[04:28] <bretzel> ctp: I have to say I don't really know what limewire needs but after istalled java jre (sun1.5) it works great ...
[04:28] <Ng> ook: it's like having a debian desktop, but good :)
[04:29] <bretzel> jre >=1.4.2--x
[04:29] <ctp> yeah i think it just needs java
[04:29] <ctp> are any/many of you guys on breezy yet? do you know when its due for release?
[04:29] <clem_yeats> ctp: october
[04:30] <ctp> awesome :) thanks Clem, I can't wait
[04:30] <ctp> last time I upgraded to hoary a month before it came out
[04:30] <clem_yeats> ctp : will it have openoffice 2 ?
[04:30] <ctp> I have no idea sorry Clem!
[04:30] <Karhuton> Is there a proper way to upgrade the distro?
[04:30] <ctp> I don't use office software much
[04:31] <stizoner> really gnutella=limewire is pretty inferior, better off getting archives of albums on amule/xmule, ed2k network is the largest network now, doesnt work well if u want single mp3s fast, load up a bunch of stuff and leave it runing for weeks, its a que system the longer you run it the faster it goes
[04:31] <ctp> yes Karhuton you need to update your /etc/sources.list file and change all the 'hoary' entries to 'breezy'
[04:31] <bretzel> btw: ( again ) Is that true that OGG has better encoding engine than MP3 ?
[04:31] <Karhuton> Except manually change repositories to point from Hoary to Breezy followed up update and dist-upgrade
[04:31] <ctp> then do apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:31] <hmrocha> Karhuton, apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:31] <ctp> bretzel, yeah I think its a higher quality mate!
[04:31] <Karhuton> Could usage of the backports repository cause problems when upgrading?
i hated linux before i got ubuntu
[04:31] <Karhuton> I.e. a backport version of package x could be higher than Breezy's version
[04:32] <ctp> Karhuton, I dunno but I know if you upgrade to breezy now you are likely to have problems
[04:32] <Karhuton> ctp, I'm not going to upgrade. No reason to..
[04:32] <ctp> yeah that's right, if you're happy with what you have, why upgrade!
[04:32] <bretzel> ctp: ha!~ What I realize is that sometime, MP3 engine screwesup high -freq stream that sounds crappy - it never happened with ogg for me :-)
[04:32] <dubnium> question, where do I change power saving options? also how do I bring x back up when i come back to my comp and find it in console mode?
[04:33] <Karhuton> Is it ok to remove lvm and evms stuff?
[04:33] <Karhuton> Or are there some odd dependencies in Ubuntu for 'em
[04:33] <ctp> bretzel, yeah i've had great experiences with OGG files too!
[04:34] <bretzel> ctp: But it is sad that I cannot find any of that mobile ogg compatible players ...
[04:34] <ctp> dubnium, with regards to your second question, if X isn't running you can type "startx" to start it, if it is running you can try CTRL+ALT+F7 to go back to the graphics screen
[04:34] <ejumpz> how to install mysql??
[04:34] <ctp> bretzel, oh yeah, that's annoying
[04:34] <dubnium> oh thnx
[04:35] <dubnium> ctrl alt f7.. would have never guessed
[04:35] <Karhuton> !bum
[04:35] <ubotu> [bum] a graphical BootUp Manager; see http://www.marzocca.net/linux/bum.html
[04:35] <ctp> ejumpz, apt-get install mysql-server
[04:35] <Ng> bretzel: there's a bunch of ogg players
[04:35] <ook> is ubuntu more a kde or gnome distro? or does it matter which one to use?
[04:35] <ejumpz> thanks ctp
[04:35] <Ng> ook: gnome
[04:35] <ctp> dubnium, and you can use CTRL+ALT+F1-F6 to get lots of text terminals
[04:35] <clem_yeats> ook: it comes with gnome
[04:35] <Ng> ook: but there is kubuntu too if you really have to use kde ;)
[04:35] <Ng> canonical should offer counselling for people who think they want kde ;)
[04:35] <ctp> LOL
[04:36] <ook> I haven't used gnome before, but let's give it a try
[04:36] <ctp> i hate kde mostly because every app has K in front of it
[04:36] <bretzel> Ng: uh? I leave in Quebec/Canada and cannot find those magical things ...
[04:36] <Hikaru79> Anyone else having problems with the planetmirror repositories?
[04:36] <Sly> and there is xfce for people who disagree with both kde/gnome
[04:36] <ctp> ook, gnome is simple and perfect
[04:36] <JHK> hi there, i have a problem: Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[04:36] <Ng> bretzel: I was actually looking at it last night and I found a few in the UK, lemmie just get you the list of players that support it...
[04:36] <clem_yeats> ctp: well there are a lot of G in the gnome world also..
[04:36] <thoreauputic> Ng: then they probably should lock me up - I use fluxbox ;)
[04:36] <ctp> clem_yeats, yeah, good point
[04:36] <bretzel> Ng:oh! thank you !!!
[04:36] <clem_yeats> long live CLI !! :))
[04:36] <Ng> bretzel: http://wiki.xiph.org/VorbisHardware - hopefully you can find someone importing some/all of those :)
[04:37] <Ng> thoreauputic: hehe
[04:37] <hmrocha> i'm getting an error when logging in gnome "Failed to Initialize HAL"
[04:37] <hmrocha> what might be the problem?
[04:37] <bretzel> Hg: Trying it now! :-)
[04:37] <Ng> bretzel: click on the PortablePLaysers link
[04:37] <clem_yeats> anyone bought a Sony Vaio ??
[04:37] <thoreauputic> hmrocha: "I'm sorry Dave, I cn't do that"
[04:37] <pitti> hmrocha: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13333
[04:38] <pitti> hmrocha: please add some information there
[04:38] <Karhuton> Is there a graphical tool to install manually downloaded debs?
[04:38] <hmrocha> thoreauputic, what?
[04:38] <clem_yeats> karhuton : manually but graphical... this would be a funny target..
[04:39] <thoreauputic> hmrocha: reference to "2001 - a Space Oddyssey"
[04:39] <thoreauputic> hmrocha: never mind...
[04:39] <hmrocha> thoreauputic, never watched the movie
[04:39] <clem_yeats> karhuton : pkginstall I think... to install in CLI.
[04:39] <thoreauputic> hmrocha: the computer was called HAL
[04:39] <Karhuton> clem_yeats, Um... Why not just use dpkg then?
[04:39] <hmrocha> thoreauputic, ok, now i get it :)
[04:39] <clem_yeats> yes.. like IBM.. nearly
[04:40] <clem_yeats> karhuton : well yes that's the idea.
[04:40] <pitti> thoreauputic, hmrocha: incidentially, upstream's name is David - close enough :-)
[04:40] <thoreauputic> heheh
[04:41] <hmrocha> pitti, what do you want me to add to that bug form?
[04:41] <bretzel> Ng: thanks for the link! I will be able to ask my local stores about those listed on the site! :-)
[04:41] <Ng> bretzel: good luck, also ask google :)
[04:41] <Ng> bretzel: e.g. I searched for the nextway dcube one with "dcube 150D uk" and it found me three suppliers :D
[04:41] <pitti> hmrocha: would be nice if you could debug hal as described on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingRemovableDevices
[04:41] <eliphas_> whiwh modules.cofn should I modify to add my adsl line?
[04:41] <pitti> hmrocha: (second part on that page)
[04:42] <hmrocha> pitti, ok, i'll do that in a moment
[04:42] <pitti> hmrocha: thanks a lot
[04:42] <hmrocha> pitti, i need to create an image of this ubuntu first so that i can reboot
[04:42] <hmrocha> pitti, this ubuntu will be uploaded to 20 pc's
[04:43] <surf2me> hi @ all!
[04:43] <hmrocha> pitti, i'm switching my college from mandrake to ubuntu
[04:43] <hopeng> hello how to view "the startup program" ?
[04:43] <pitti> hmrocha: do you use hoary or breezy?
[04:43] <zerboxx> thoreauputic: When playing something now, should I select "alsa" or put in something different?
[04:43] <surf2me> does anyone know how I can crate a wireless netwirk with a key?
[04:43] <clem_yeats> hopeng : what do you mean ?
[04:43] <reiki_work> I have Spamassassin working with Evolution. If anyone wants directions I'll post a URL. It's a little slow so I wouldn't recommend it for people getting hundreds of email at the same time. Any better solution I'd love to hear about it
[04:43] <hmrocha> pitti, hoary of course, i can't put breezy on production yet
[04:43] <pitti> right
[04:44] <hmrocha> pitti, i only use breezy at home
[04:44] <pitti> hmrocha: however, would be cool if you could test with the breezy live cd
[04:44] <thoreauputic> zerboxx: I would use alsa - try your options
[04:44] <pitti> hmrocha: hal is much more stable there
[04:44] <hopeng> clem_yeats, i want to disable GAIM from auto starting
[04:44] <pitti> hmrocha: and I can't fix hoary anyway
[04:44] <bretzel> Ng:thanks :-)
[04:44] <clem_yeats> hopeng : oh ok
[04:44] <Ng> bretzel: no probs :)
[04:44] <pitti> hmrocha: so this only makes sense if the error is still in breezy
[04:44] <hopeng> clem_yeats, so i need to view the startup program, i want to disable some.
[04:44] <hmrocha> pitti, ok, but is this a hardware problem?
[04:45] <hardw1re> yay \o/
[04:45] <thoreauputic> zerboxx: if I use oss with beep or xmms, it ties up the sound device - but alsa doesn't
[04:45] <pitti> hmrocha: even if it is, hal shouldn't crash
[04:45] <hardw1re> the offical ubuntu channel :D
[04:45] <hopeng> i tried BUM, but its for service viewing, all that i need is 'startup program' list
[04:45] <stizoner> i havent had spam in years
[04:45] <pitti> hmrocha: did you enable DMA on CD-ROMs by any chance?
[04:45] <sfacius> hi at all
[04:45] <clem_yeats> hopeng : you're in Ubuntu ?
[04:45] <hardw1re> anyone know how to install/get wine for the amd64 hoary 5.04 version of ubuntu?
[04:45] <hopeng> clem_yeats, yes of course
[04:45] <thoreauputic> hopeng: what do you mean by "startup program" ?
[04:45] <hmrocha> pitti, no, just installed ubuntu, tried to login and i got that HAL error
[04:46] <clem_yeats> hopeng : does GAIM start as soon as you log in Gnome ?
[04:46] <hopeng> thoreauputic, everytime i login to gnome, i have 3 popups, 1: gaim , 2: you dont have a sufficient priviledges to start firestarter, 3: missing command to run.
[04:46] <clem_yeats> hopeng : look for a .gnomerc file or a .gnome directory in your home directory
[04:47] <thoreauputic> hopeng: get rid of them, and when you log out, save your session
[04:47] <thoreauputic> clem_yeats: he shouldn't need that
[04:47] <tenco> twibbler: Bwl: i solved my problem with the atheros card now. installed restricted-modules from breezy
[04:48] <hopeng> clem_yeats, cant find it.. im in .gnome folder, couldnt find it
[04:48] <hopeng> thoreauputic, already tried that
[04:48] <thoreauputic> hopeng: what's happening is the session manager has saved those programs
[04:48] <jaqkar> anyone know squid well?
[04:48] <clem_yeats> hopeng : your in your /home/yourself/.gnome folder ?
[04:48] <hopeng> clem_yeats, yes
[04:48] <hmrocha> pitti, i'll download the breezy live now
[04:48] <clem_yeats> hopeng : do a "ls -al" and past it in #bin
[04:48] <hopeng> ok
[04:50] <fellowshipofther> i have 2 pc's connected to a router that is connected to a modem. Do the two pc's have separate ips?
[04:50] <jedipottsy> #cedega
[04:50] <hopeng> fellowshipofther, i think not
[04:50] <fellowshipofther> how would i access each one, i know the local ip's are different
[04:50] <ctp> on the internal LAN they have 2 ips
[04:50] <ctp> externally NO
[04:51] <hardw1re> you have to set your router to port forward to each one specifically
[04:51] <fellowshipofther> ctp, why not externally, is there a way to do it?
[04:51] <hopeng> fellowshipofther, you want to share files between them ?
[04:51] <zerboxx> thoreauputic: I've made the file, but running mplayer -ao alsa movie.avi will run once, but not twice (while with esd it does run twice, though out of sync)
[04:51] <ctp> fellowshipofther, no, because your ISP only provides you with one IP address
[04:51] <fellowshipofther> hopeng, yeah that would be nice too
[04:51] <ctp> fellowshipofther, why do you need 2 ips? there are ways around it
[04:52] <fellowshipofther> but i really want to be able to access the web server i have running on the one
[04:52] <fellowshipofther> and realVNC
[04:52] <ctp> OHHH well you can do that
[04:52] <hardw1re> you tell your router to port forward to that specific machine
[04:52] <ctp> you need to configure your router to point port 80 to the pc with the web server
[04:52] <hopeng> fellowshipofther, use firestarter, on policy, forward port 80 to the local httpd server
[04:52] <thoreauputic> zerboxx: sorry - I just had some bad news: I have to sign off
[04:53] <felipe_linux> Hi... I cant find /etc/apt/apt.conf or any apt.conf file in my Ubuntu 5.04 box. I am behind a proxy. Can anyone help me?
[04:53] <zerboxx> thoreauputic: Ah well take care, I'll try to figure this out
[04:54] <fellowshipofther> hopeng, that'll be another local ip? the httpd server?
[04:54] <ctp> felipe_linux, I don't have apt.conf on mine either, maybe you are looking for /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:54] <ctp> fellowshipofther, no once you set up the router people can access your external ip like http://1.1.1.1 and it will go to the pc with the web serber
[04:54] <fellowshipofther> and i guess i can't change my router settings remotely =o(
[04:55] <ctp> yes you can
[04:55] <ctp> most routers let you access them by http
[04:55] <ctp> like http://192.168.0.1
[04:55] <ctp> or mine is http://192.168.1.254
[04:55] <ctp> if you look up your manual or the support website it should have instructions on how to access yours
[04:55] <Sly> mine runs on the 10.x.x.x range but yes identically
[04:55] <tenco> ctp: i use https because its a lan
[04:55] <tenco> s/lan/wlan/
[04:55] <ctp> then go into the NAT section
[04:55] <Digital_Warrior0> ok i am lost so dam lost nothing is where i expect it.
[04:56] <Sly> i could set mineup to access from remote dont the brightest move , but i have things i need to change away from home
[04:56] <dabar> In the Debian gnome-panel menu, it is possible to add and remove items by right clicking on them. This was also possible in Warty. Now it is disabled in Hoary. Is it possible to turn on this feature?
[04:56] <Digital_Warrior0> i need to set up ip forwarding, and alais
[04:56] <gpd> 3~3~/part
[04:56] <hopeng> fellowshipofther, httpd server is your web server
[04:56] <fellowshipofther> ctp, yeah those are local ip's though... im remote right now
[04:57] <Pac> ctp: thanks for that page it was brilliant
[04:57] <Pac> ctp: is there another good page other than http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#limewire
[04:57] <fellowshipofther> ctp, and the ip is dynamic
[04:57] <hardw1re> hmm, can someone tell me how to get the c compiler properly configured, i got problems with installing some softwares, problems relating to C compilers :(
[04:58] <ctp> ctp: that's the best one i know of
[04:58] <fellowshipofther> ctp, well i have the current ip, i just dont think it wants to let me access it remotely
[04:58] <ctp> fellowshipofther, yeah but what i'm saying is, both your LOCAL machine share one EXTERNAL ip address
[04:58] <Sly> fellowship routers are not defalut setup to let you access the admins http page via wan
[04:58] <hopeng> fellowshipofther, sudo apt-get firestarter
[04:58] <hardw1re> you cant configure your router externally
[04:58] <fellowshipofther> ctp, yeah ur right, and that sux
[04:58] <dabar> Digital_Warrior0: I know a bit about that.
[04:58] <ctp> what we're getting you to do is tell your router that all requests coming in on the EXTERNAL ip address are FORWARDED to your LOCAL machine with the web (httpd server)
[04:58] <Sly> you will have to set it up to let you access via wan when you are at it
[04:58] <hardw1re> you have to configure it from the LAN side
[04:59] <ctp> this way your LOCAL machine with its LOCAL ip can host a web server that the EXTERNAL ip address is forwarded to
[04:59] <Digital_Warrior0> could you pm me
[04:59] <ctp> what you want to do is possible, you just need to be able to access your router
[04:59] <dabar> I could, but lets do it in the channel, k?
[05:00] <dabar> maybe someone else would like to know...
[05:00] <Digital_Warrior0> wait one
[05:00] <dabar> kk
[05:00] <felipe_linux> ctp, the /etc/apt/source.list just list the repositories. I need to make apt work behind a proxy. Do you know how can I do that in Ubuntu?
[05:00] <Digital_Warrior0> sorry i was on the phone trying to get something else taken care off two much to track
[05:00] <Digital_Warrior0> ok lets do it
[05:00] <ctp> felipe_linux, sorry no i don't :(
[05:00] <mdke> does anyone know what to do with the current xorg blocker in breezy?
[05:01] <dabar> Digital_Warrior0: what do you want done? I think IP forwarding/connection sharing I can tell you how to set up.
[05:01] <jbull> mdke: what is the current xorg blocker?
[05:01] <Digital_Warrior0> let me explain in depth what i have going on and you can decide what is best.
[05:01] <zerboxx> Has anyone here setup dmix? I'm having some problems
[05:02] <carthik> What do I have to do to get evolution to filter spam effectively?
[05:02] <carthik> Sorry if it's been asked before...
[05:02] <mdke> jbull, seems to be a conflict between libgl1-mesa-dri and libgl1-mesa on the one hand, and libgl1-xorg-dri on the other
[05:02] <Karhuton> carthik, install spamassassin
[05:02] <carthik> Karhuton, and..?
[05:02] <Karhuton> carthik, It oughta work after that
[05:02] <carthik> Karhuton, is that all it takes?
[05:02] <carthik> Karhuton, thank you.
[05:02] <dabar> and take it from there...:)
[05:02] <Karhuton> carthik, just enable the spam filtering from Evolutions settings
[05:02] <jbull> mdke: sounds ugly, although i have yet to run into it
[05:03] <Digital_Warrior0> i have a wireless network. one laptop xp one desktop xp one linux box ubuntu, is connect through. i have another pc accorss the house from the router and i am needing to connect it to the network, so i put the linux box next to it and installed a nic. i want to use the linux box as some sort of pass though so i can see the wired machine from the laptop.
[05:03] <Karhuton> carthik, And make sure spamassassin daemon is running
[05:03] <mdke> jbull, it appeared yesterday i believe, if you dist-upgrade you should see it
[05:03] <hopeng> how to turn on the 5.1 speakers using xmms ?
[05:03] <Karhuton> carthik, and restart evolution so that it finds it (if it doesn't check for it during runtime)
[05:03] <dabar> Digital_Warrior0: ugh.
[05:04] <carthik> Karhuton, how do I make sure the daemon is running at bootup?
[05:04] <dabar> Digital_Warrior0: what does "one laptop xp one desktop xp one linux box ubuntu, is connect through." mean?
[05:04] <Digital_Warrior0> sorry i knew it was not going to be fun
[05:04] <Digital_Warrior0> ok they are all on wireless
[05:04] <Digital_Warrior0> the other pc will not take a wireless card.
[05:04] <hardw1re> ooooh while im here... can someone tell me, how to stop ubuntu from recognising the mic on my webcam as a soundcard and defaulting the system to using that?
[05:04] <dabar> and they are all able to connecti to the Internet?
[05:04] <Digital_Warrior0> something about the mb will not let it post. i have tried several diff cards
[05:04] <Digital_Warrior0> yes
[05:05] <Karhuton> carthik, it is by default. But I don't know if it is running after install
[05:05] <Sly> hardwlre very funny problem im sure =\
[05:05] <Digital_Warrior0> i am on the laptop right now
[05:05] <kemik> awh.. colorcoded my shellprompts :)
[05:05] <dabar> ok, and you want the linux to send an IP address to the only PC that is not yet connected to your network through a wire?
[05:05] <kemik> no more confusion on which box im using
[05:06] <dabar> Instead of the router.
[05:06] <Digital_Warrior0> yes
[05:06] <Digital_Warrior0> no
[05:06] <Digital_Warrior0> no
[05:06] <hardw1re> well it kinda sux, cause i want to try and get my webcam working, but if i leave it plugged in, then ubuntu sets it as the default sound device, and not my actual soundcard, which stops all sound stuff from working :(
[05:06] <Digital_Warrior0> i want to be able to access that other machine ie play a mp3 on it. see in network nebiorhood.
[05:06] <Digital_Warrior0> to ping it.
[05:06] <dabar> ok, one thing just to make clear first.
[05:07] <Sly> i wish i could help :(
[05:07] <Digital_Warrior0> i can get the 2000 box the wired one to see the eth0 and ra0 in the linux box but that is it
[05:07] <dabar> the three computers are online, and everything is fine with them, and so on, right?
[05:07] <Digital_Warrior0> yes
[05:07] <hardw1re> samba support needed on windows innit?
[05:07] <dabar> so we can disregard the two xp boxes from now on, since they are not included in the part of the story we are discussing?
[05:07] <Karhuton> carthik, atleast even this new version of Evolution seems to "learn" from manually marked junk
[05:08] <Digital_Warrior0> ok
[05:08] <jaqkar> can anyone help me to setup a gateway and transparent proxy?
[05:08] <stizoner> if you have a router why arent u just runing everything through that?
[05:08] <dabar> and the router is not important really, so we could draw something like....
[05:08] <dabar> 2000----Ubuntu-----Internet?
[05:08] <Digital_Warrior0> yes all on the same privit network
[05:09] <Digital_Warrior0> ie 192.168.0.x
[05:09] <dabar> and the part from 2000 to Ubuntu works, cause you can ping back and forth between those two machines?
[05:09] <hmrocha> pitti, i rebooted the machine and it worked fine this time
[05:09] <paueas> how can i get sound juicer to make me mp3 files and allow me to set the bitrate?
[05:09] <pitti> hmrocha: with the breezy live?
[05:09] <Digital_Warrior0> yes
[05:09] <jaqkar> !breezy
[05:09] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, breezy is the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It can and will be broken, and can damage your system. Differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/
[05:10] <jaqkar> :)
[05:10] <dabar> Ok, I think all you need is two packages, Digital_Warrior0. install dnsmasq, and ipmasq. We may need a few more things from there, but maybe not even.
[05:11] <dabar> on the ubuntu, off course.
[05:11] <Digital_Warrior0> yes
[05:11] <Digital_Warrior0> are they on the cd
[05:11] <dabar> I do not know, sorry.
[05:11] <Digital_Warrior0> ok
[05:11] <hardw1re> hmm im going to reboot
[05:11] <Digital_Warrior0> see the linux box can not be connect to the 2000 and the internet at the same time.
[05:11] <dabar> :)
[05:11] <dabar> he rebooted
[05:11] <Digital_Warrior0> it is like it does not know what to do
[05:12] <dabar> Well set that up next.
[05:12] <jaqkar> dabar: can you help me with a gateway/proxy setup im trying?
[05:12] <dabar> I do not know.
[05:13] <Scrawny1> hi all I'm back, anyway does anyone knowo of a "now playing" script for X-Chat?
[05:13] <dabar> they are not on the CD, Digital_Warrior0, can you access the Internet?
[05:13] <dabar> Oh, ya, you can.
[05:14] <dabar> Both packages are in Universe.
[05:14] <stizoner> visit xchat site Scrawny1 i found one there
[05:14] <Digital_Warrior0> i apprecate the help
[05:14] <dabar> sure.
[05:14] <dabar> sure you do...
[05:14] <dabar> heh
[05:14] <setite> what a real good pft view
[05:14] <Digital_Warrior0> in one min i will be able to
[05:14] <Scrawny1> sweet thank-you :)
[05:14] <setite> one that i can view two pages at once.. like in acrobat
[05:14] <Digital_Warrior0> have to reset all the networking and i do that be rebooting
[05:14] <Digital_Warrior0> it is still comming up
[05:14] <setite> this xpdf wont do that... the page change is odd
[05:14] <dabar> Digital_Warrior0: are you rebooting linux?
[05:15] <Digital_Warrior0> yes have to
[05:15] <dabar> to change the network settings for eth0?
[05:15] <Digital_Warrior0> otherwise the wireless will not reconnect to the inter
[05:15] <Digital_Warrior0> no internet is on ra0
[05:15] <orutherfurd> could anyone give me a pointer on how to configure multiple monitor support? I've got a laptop plugged into a docking station, w/an external monitor.
[05:15] <Digital_Warrior0> other pc is on eth0
[05:15] <orutherfurd> I was hoping it would just work, but that doesn't seem to be the case ;-)
[05:15] <dabar> ok, are you sure about this? tried sudo ifdown ra0, then sudo ifup ra0?
[05:15] <dabar> That should avoid you the reboot.
[05:16] <Digital_Warrior0> yep
[05:16] <Digital_Warrior0> for some reason it will not work
[05:16] <dabar> I think also the fact that you can not connect both at the same time is due to your /etc/network/interfaces eth0 entry having a gateway line.
[05:16] <dabar> you will paste that file after, if you want.
[05:17] <Digital_Warrior0> i will look at that
[05:17] <dieman> wow
[05:17] <dieman> that mirror in poland has some good bandiwdth
[05:17] <kemik> what about disabling eth0, bring down/up ra0 ? that wont let you connect either?
[05:17] <dieman> and they actually update their mirror, unlike the tds.net one, which seems out of date again
[05:17] <dieman> mmmm
[05:17] <dabar> orutherfurd: what graphics card?
[05:17] <dieman> 50megabits/sec from the mirror :)
[05:18] <kemik> dieman: .pl is usually very poor.. guess you're just lucku
[05:18] <kemik> y
[05:18] <dieman> kemik: i2 bandwidth :)
[05:18] <dieman> kemik: from minneapolis, mn to the ftp.task.gda.pl is 50mbps
[05:18] <dieman> (usa)
[05:18] <dabar> kemik: ya, good idea, I mean, there is really nothing that you can not stop/start without rebooting...
[05:18] <ndlovu> can anyone tell me how to uninstall java? I think my version is a little buggy and I want to upgrade it
[05:18] <chicken_> hi every one
[05:18] <Digital_Warrior0> ok i am installin dnsmasq and ipmasq now
[05:19] <dabar> ndlovu: this will very much depend on how you installed it, so tell us how you had done that.
[05:19] <kemik> dieman: yea i know my geography ;) heh... and i get poor speeds from .pl to .se .. go figure ;)
[05:19] <chicken_> my hard disk just lost all of it's data for some reason :-/
[05:19] <LilBlackDemon> ndlovu, if you used apt-get to install it,use synaptic and you should be able to uninstall the .deb java packages
[05:19] <hmrocha> pitti, no, with hoary, that was previously not working
[05:19] <Digital_Warrior0> ok where do i find ipmasq and dnsmasq
[05:19] <dabar> Digital_Warrior0: did you get ubotu's message about pasting? when you can paste that /etc/network/interfaces file.
[05:19] <kemik> dieman: maybe they're using QoS to american traffic so Bush won't invade.. heh :)
[05:19] <orutherfurd> dabar, Mobility Radeon 9600 M10 (according to lspci)
[05:19] <Digital_Warrior0> no
[05:19] <kemik> !pastebin
[05:19] <ubotu> I heard pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[05:20] <ndlovu> dabar: that's a little tricky. I _think_ I followed the ubuntuguide instructions, but I was tweaking quite a bit trying to get FreeMind to work.
[05:20] <kemik> Digital_Warrior0:
[05:20] <dieman> kemik: heh
[05:20] <kemik> ^ that link
[05:20] <chicken_> can some one tell me how i get X installed i got no Gnome at all
[05:20] <ndlovu> will try using synaptic and see what happens
[05:20] <dieman> kemik: its just because im on .edu networks, its all seperate from the internet links
[05:20] <dabar> Digital_Warrior0: Universe is where they are. register your nick, /msg nickserv help register, and then /msg ubotu info package name, to find out about a package.
[05:20] <kemik> chicken_: apt-get install "windowmanger", apt-get install xserver-xorg
[05:21] <dieman> kemik: haha
[05:21] <mindamp> can i allow remote samba?
[05:21] <Digital_Warrior0> got in one min
[05:21] <dieman> kemik: the link from here to there goes via .se
[05:21] <dabar> ndlovu: you can likely just erase the files from where they are, something like /usr/java...
[05:21] <mindamp> i don't care about the security aspect...
[05:21] <orutherfurd> dabar, I should have been more specific earlier -- both monitors are working, but I see the same thing vs a larger desktop split across them
[05:21] <mindamp> i know under slackware it was defaulted for remote
[05:21] <dieman> kemik: minneapolis -> chicago -> nyc -> uk (geant) -> se -> pl
[05:21] <mindamp> anyone have experience with this?
[05:21] <hopeng> what is virtual desktop's shortcut ?
[05:21] <kemik> *shwr*
[05:22] <dabar> orutherfurd: not really for me, I dont know anything about it. I know it is mentioned on the ati wiki, at wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHOWTO/ati or so.
[05:22] <rapha> Hi all
[05:22] <rapha> Again :)
[05:22] <dabar> hopeng: where did you get this?
[05:22] <orutherfurd> dabar, thanks
[05:22] <rapha> Is there any console mail program that can do POP3 without a too difficult configuration=?
[05:23] <umboto> how do i change the ubuntu spash?
[05:23] <umboto> splash*
[05:23] <pitti> hmrocha: very odd - and you didn't change anything, like disabling dma, or not putting a CD-ROM into the drive?
[05:23] <Seveas> umboto: To change the Ubuntu splash screen, open the gconf-editor and change the key /apps/gnome-session/options/splash-image
[05:23] <dabar> umboto: more info.
[05:23] <umboto> okie
[05:23] <umboto> thanks
[05:23] <dabar> Seveas: that for the login splash?
[05:23] <dabar> for gnome.
[05:23] <umboto> yea
[05:23] <umboto> wherr the hell is gconfig
[05:23] <hmrocha> pitti, no, just rebooted
[05:23] <ndlovu> dabar: usr/java has jre 1.5.0, but java -version says java version "1.4.2-01";Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build Blackdown-1.4.2-01);Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build Blackdown-1.4.2-01, mixed mode)
[05:23] <umboto> lemme find it
[05:23] <dabar> ok, ya then that will work.
[05:24] <dabar> ndlovu: so you want the tiger Java, eh? :)...
[05:24] <pitti> hmrocha: I hate these heisenbugs... it got afraid of you wanting to debug it :-)
[05:24] <chicken_> Death to windows !!
[05:24] <hmrocha> pitti, :)
[05:24] <hmrocha> chicken_, death why?
[05:25] <chicken_> i don't like windows
[05:25] <chicken_> i hate windows
[05:25] <hmrocha> chicken_, and you want to kill all the people you hate too?
[05:25] <chicken_> errrm
[05:25] <dabar> ndlovu: you have a PPC by any chancve?
[05:25] <hmrocha> chicken_, you shouldn't kill something just because you hate it
[05:25] <sproingie> hm. whenever i hear a windows person talk about TCO, i'm going to talk about TCP
[05:25] <umboto> im blind Seveas where is gconfig editor located?
[05:25] <dabar> he said death to it, not I will kill.
[05:25] <sproingie> Total Cost of Pwn3rsh1p
[05:25] <ndlovu> dabar :) any java will do at this stage, as long as it works... no ppc, using IBM thinkpad
[05:25] <chicken_> i am sure many people hate windows
[05:25] <hmrocha> chicken_, 90% of the world don't hate it
[05:25] <dabar> In Apps>System Tools, umboto.
[05:26] <umboto> thanks
[05:26] <chicken_> because 90% of the world are n00bs
[05:26] <umboto> ahh ok foudn it
[05:26] <umboto> thanks
[05:26] <hmrocha> chicken_, people say they hate windows because they want to *be* geeks
[05:26] <ndlovu> dabar: java is working, it just seems slower than on other machines, so I think it may be "confused"
[05:26] <chicken_> heh :P
[05:27] <sproingie> i only really hate windows when dealing with its slow filesystem ops
[05:27] <hmrocha> chicken_, windows is lame, linux is 1337
[05:27] <WhyvasMct> my wg511 (prismGT) card locks up on me after downloading a little bit, both lights go solid and the card is reset
[05:27] <dabar> ndlovu: erase that folder...install the java through the current Ubuntu way, using this web site: wiki.ubuntu.com/Java. Learn to love the wiki.
[05:27] <WhyvasMct> any ideas????
[05:27] <hmrocha> chicken_, when you stop hating windows and just looking at it as another piece of software that you should avoid, you're in another level
[05:27] <jbull> WhyvasMct: does dmesg say anything useful?
[05:28] <WhyvasMct> yeah just a sec
[05:28] <chicken_> i always avoid it
[05:28] <hmrocha> chicken_, gamers don't
[05:28] <sproingie> process start overhead is also pretty abominable on windows ... makes shell scripting pretty tough
[05:28] <hmrocha> chicken_, web designers don't
[05:28] <hmrocha> chicken_, almost all of the world don't
[05:28] <sproingie> hmrocha: i don't know any web designers that like windows servers. maybe windows to run dreamweaver
[05:29] <dabar> hmrocha: almost all of the world is lameos as well, you know that right? a very low margin of people have conciousness...
[05:29] <ndlovu> dabar: the wiki is already my friend and loving companion. the problem is that I didn't install it that way, and I'm confused because java -version says I have 1.4.2, but the java directory says 1.5.0...
[05:29] <hmrocha> sproingie, all the designers i know, don't know that a server is, they just use dreamweaver
[05:29] <sproingie> dabar: how much do you know about horses
[05:29] <hmrocha> sproingie, i'm talking about designers not web developers
[05:29] <dabar> nothing.
[05:29] <sproingie> dabar: shall i pronounce you a lame dweeb then?
[05:29] <aru> sproingie: could you code an OS better than windows?
[05:30] <chicken_> most people use it because bill gates pays off most of the game designers and software designes so his shitty OS has a lot of games and software so people use it
[05:30] <dabar> remove everything referencing java on your computer, and install the wiki way, is best I can tell you, ndlovu, it is bound to work great.
[05:30] <sproingie> dabar: how about combustion engine tuning? how about metallurgy? how about architecture, optics, medicine, law ...
[05:30] <ndlovu> thanks dabar, will see how it goes.
[05:30] <dabar> are you having a pont, sproingie?
[05:30] <hmrocha> dabar, almost all persons that use computers around the world, don't understand anything about them
[05:30] <setite> hey i cant dcc on konversation.. wtf
[05:30] <dabar> do yo uhave a pioint, rather.
[05:31] <chicken_> more people should use Linux and make things for it !
[05:31] <dabar> chicken_: we all dont like window, there is not much needed to tell us about it.
[05:31] <Digital_Warrior0> debar it told me about it but not where to get it
[05:31] <sproingie> dabar: i only have a point if you can see it
[05:31] <dabar> Or, prefer linux, no need to diss windows here, is my poiint.
[05:31] <hmrocha> dabar, people connected to computer science is really a small percentage compared to "normal" users
[05:31] <dabar> I can see some point that was not really related to what I was saying.
[05:31] <dabar> hmrocha: agreed.
[05:31] <aru> dabar: good point
[05:32] <chicken_> how do i use startx or where is it ?
[05:32] <dabar> It says section Universe. You need to add universe to your repositories, Digital_Warrior0.
[05:32] <Seveas> windows-bashing is a good reason to get kicked :)
[05:32] <dabar> DO you know about the ubuntu components, Digital_Warrior0?
[05:32] <sproingie> computer literacy of consumer OS's is to computer science what reading romance novels is to studying linguistics
[05:32] <Digital_Warrior0> not really
[05:32] <WhyvasMct> here's the output of dmesg http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/pevPBb96.html
[05:32] <Sly> chicken you said everything u wanted to know about how to start x
[05:32] <dech> hmm my apt-get freezes at Connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com (1.0.0.0)] [Connecting to security.ubuntu.com (1.0.0.0)]
[05:32] <WhyvasMct> as soon as I start downloading it dies
[05:33] <chicken_> ??
[05:33] <WhyvasMct> sometimes it downloads 200K, sometimes it downloads 4-5 megs
[05:33] <aru> sproingie: can you just admit that windows isn't for you and let it go?
[05:33] <dech> all the ips are apparently 1.0.0.0 :P so something wrong heh
[05:33] <WhyvasMct> but it always locks up
[05:33] <hmrocha> Seveas, i don't use windows at home, but all the users at my college are stored in AD, so i have to live with windows
[05:33] <seife> hi
[05:33] <WhyvasMct> I tried diffrent firmwares and i even went out and got a diffrent card
[05:33] <seife> help
[05:33] <sproingie> aru: i'm amused at the people who think they're somehow elite because they know how to shell script on linux
[05:33] <WhyvasMct> same crap every time
[05:33] <hmrocha> Seveas, i just talked about windows because i get tired of people saying that they hate windows, but in the end, they install windows to play some game
[05:33] <seife> i am totally newb in linux
[05:33] <seife> never used it
[05:33] <tristanmike> hi
[05:33] <dabar> you can read if you want, its only one page. http://ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components . and also, you can read about adding repositories here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 . Digital_Warrior0
[05:33] <aru> sproingie: maybe you should check out #linux
[05:34] <stizoner> well problem with linux is you have programers making choices on human interaction with computers and user interface, when they have no qualifications 2 do so, its more of a scientific study, not a programing skill
[05:34] <Seveas> hmrocha, I talked to no one in particular
[05:34] <Seveas> just a general announcement
[05:34] <seife> i am going to install it into an separated HD, it has windows 98 on it. what u guys recommend me to do in general
[05:34] <Sly> at my college my tutor said he couldnt use linux because he needs word/excel..... i said open office he wasnt impressed... i went in following day after installing word/excel with crossover office, he didnt have a word to say =\
[05:34] <chicken_> i get an error when i run X
[05:34] <Sly> he now seems to ignore me
[05:34] <dabar> dech: if you did not get an answer yet, remove the us from the front of the sources.list
[05:34] <Sly> to now*
[05:34] <Digital_Warrior0> thanks
[05:34] <dabar> just have with no country seleted.
[05:34] <dabar> welcome, tell me when you are again stuck...
[05:34] <jbull> WhyvasMct: your're running hoary, yes?
[05:34] <Digital_Warrior0> dabar talk to digital_linux now i have x running on the linux box
[05:34] <WhyvasMct> yeah
[05:35] <WhyvasMct> it was doing the same thing in fedora core 4
[05:35] <dabar> kk.
[05:35] <tristanmike> does "Mark for Complete Removal" in Synaptic remove Dependencies Files too??
[05:35] <seife> HELP?
[05:35] <dabar> seife: sorry, was doing something else.
[05:35] <Ng> tristanmike: no
[05:35] <Ng> tristanmike: that just completely removes that package
[05:35] <dabar> give us some time...
[05:35] <Seveas> tristanmike, no
[05:35] <tristanmike> Ng, Merci Beaucoup
[05:35] <dabar> seife: it is a slower computer right?
[05:35] <Ng> tristanmike: normally removing a package will leave configuration files behind, compelte removal kills them too
[05:35] <Seveas> the next versions will remove unneeded dependencies
[05:35] <seife> no
[05:36] <tristanmike> Seveas, Merci Beaucoup as well
[05:36] <seife> 1.8ghz, ati7500, 512dimm
[05:36] <Ng> seife: that's a good plan
[05:36] <Ng> err
[05:36] <Ng> Seveas rather
[05:36] <sproingie> raskin used HCI studies to come out with the canon cat ...which put special keys in a place that interfered with the space bar
[05:36] <sproingie> hello hci, goodbye ergonomics
[05:36] <Seveas> tristanmike, debfoster is a good way to clean out unneeded dependencies :)
[05:36] <jbull> WhyvasMct: what firmware are you running right now/have you tried in the past?
[05:36] <tristanmike> Ng, I just tried a program I'm not interested in so I just wann get rid of it
[05:36] <tristanmike> Seveas, run from the terminal??
[05:36] <WhyvasMct> i am running 1.0.4.3
[05:36] <tristanmike> Seveas, or is that a package?
[05:37] <Seveas> it's a package
[05:37] <dabar> seife: you will be asked whether you want to overwrite everything on the disk, so remember not to. Also, you will be asked whether you want to install grub onto MBR, the main boot record, so choose yes.
[05:37] <WhyvasMct> i tried 1.0.3.0 i think
[05:37] <Seveas> (and that package provides the debfoster command :)
[05:37] <tristanmike> Seveas, yeah, just looked, thanx uber-much
[05:37] <WhyvasMct> 1.0.4.3 used to work in debian
[05:37] <WhyvasMct> and in windows
[05:37] <tristanmike> You too Ng, thanx
[05:37] <WhyvasMct> so i am guessing it may be something to do with the router??
[05:37] <Ng> tristanmike: :)
[05:37] <dabar> Other than that, good luck, and dont follow every advice you see everywhere. Read the wiki, wiki.ubuntu.com, and ubuntuforums.org for help. seife
[05:38] <WhyvasMct> how would i set the card into B mode only?
[05:38] <jbull> WhyvasMct: afraid i won't be much help with that--i have the same card, running in breezy with no problems
[05:38] <WhyvasMct> crud
[05:38] <WhyvasMct> breezy is 5.10 ?
[05:38] <Seveas> yes
[05:38] <Seveas> !breezy
[05:38] <ubotu> breezy is, like, totally, the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It can and will be broken, and can damage your system. Differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/
[05:39] <WhyvasMct> did you have it working in 5.4 ??
[05:39] <dabar> as well, register your nick for freenode, /msg nickserv help register as your message to the channel will tell you how to do that. seife. and then you can talk in private with our knowledgeable bot, ubotu, as so, /msg ubotu mp3 and he tells you how to install mp3 support./
[05:39] <jaqkar> can someone please help me with a gateway/proxy setup im trying?
[05:39] <stizoner> they should recomend installing grub on a floppy for windows users as default action
[05:39] <dabar> jaqkar: please msg ubotu ask.
[05:39] <chicken_> ubuntu crashed :(
[05:39] <jbull> WhyvasMct: didn't have the card then, so i don't know..
[05:40] <dabar> stizoner: really?
[05:40] <dabar> tell us moer.
[05:40] <WhyvasMct> ugh
[05:40] <WhyvasMct> i have a feeling it's the router....
[05:40] <token> is anyone related with wifi???
[05:40] <stizoner> because if they want to remove ubuntu there stuck with grub on mbr
[05:40] <kemik> token: all my relatives are human. sorry
[05:40] <kemik> ;)
[05:41] <Seveas> stizoner, fixmbr from a windows bootdisk fixes that
[05:41] <token> ok
[05:41] <stizoner> and have to figure out how 2 remove it
[05:41] <dabar> aha. I get that part. SO that will work if you have the floppy in the hard drive? boots from that?
[05:41] <stizoner> yeah i know that, but its more work, its much easyier to pop a floppy in and take it out
[05:41] <token> have a problem ... cause i managed to set up inet for wifi in ubuntu ... but not for windows
[05:41] <dabar> stizoner: very cool piece of information. How do you specify this at install? fairly intuitively?
[05:42] <token> anyone using wifi here???
[05:42] <jaqkar> dabar: great thx, now im being asked "is it larger than a breadbox?"
[05:42] <dabar> !ask
[05:42] <dabar> see he dont listen to me in the channel.
[05:42] <kemik> !ask
[05:42] <stizoner> im no programer
[05:43] <dabar> ok. is that an answer to my question?
[05:43] <giard> that list for breezy makes it seem there isn't that much new
[05:43] <stizoner> dont know, just make /dev/fd0 the first recomended choice
[05:43] <WhyvasMct> !breezy
[05:43] <ubotu> it has been said that breezy is the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It can and will be broken, and can damage your system. Differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/
[05:43] <dabar> aha. ok.
[05:43] <WhyvasMct> is there a fast download link for breezy?
[05:43] <token> ok so i have an AP and this is directly connected to my pc and the AP is also connected to a hotspot ..... everything works well in ubuntu but not at all in windows
[05:43] <token> the AP has linux as OS
[05:43] <kemik> giard: but i think there'll be a few more things due to the updates in gnome
[05:44] <jaqkar> pfft
[05:44] <hussam> how do I get floppy drives to mount in ubuntu. when I try to mount it, it says: "could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified"
[05:44] <jaqkar> i did !ask
[05:44] <chicken_> here is the error i get when i run X Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed'; blah blah blah
[05:44] <kemik> token: so if it doesnt work in windows, is that a question for #ubuntu ?
[05:44] <hmrocha> WhyvasMct, i downloaded the ISO in 3 minutes, so i guess there is one
[05:44] <stizoner> ohhh the 'blah blah blah' error :D
[05:44] <dabar> giard: in six months:)
[05:44] <token> no not really but it is still a problem
[05:45] <Concord_Dawn> Can anyone tell me where source packages are downloaded to when you 'apt-get source' them?
[05:45] <token> and problems are here to be solved
[05:45] <hmrocha> WhyvasMct, at least in my country
[05:45] <token> arent they kemik???
[05:45] <chicken_> any help ?
[05:45] <kemik> token: yes, but you should ask in the appropiate forums/channels
[05:45] <Concord_Dawn> I want to know because I'm trying to pbuilder a tomcat package, which isn't in the repos.
[05:45] <dabar> jaqkar: good, now follow the advice, and tell us about the situation with some useful information.
[05:45] <token> u know one
[05:45] <kemik> #ubuntu isnt a windows-helpchannel
[05:45] <giard> dabar: yeah, I'm just spoiled... the diff between warty and hoary was huge
[05:45] <pont> Im using Hoary but cant seem to find the package containing X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h anyone know where this would be
[05:45] <chriszanf> hello
[05:46] <dabar> giard: you went to http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/ ?
[05:46] <token> ok ok ..... its in the name .... but perhaps the problem isnt on windows os but on linux OS on AP
[05:46] <chriszanf> i ve just installed Ubuntu [hoary] and cant seem to suss what the SU pwd is
[05:46] <dabar> cause to me it looks pretty different already.
[05:46] <chicken_> is the a channel just for X problems ?
[05:46] <token> would this be a linux problem
[05:46] <giard> dabar: yeah
[05:46] <jaqkar> oki
[05:46] <chicken_> there8
[05:46] <token> kemik???
[05:46] <jaqkar> lets try again
[05:46] <chicken_> there*
[05:46] <dabar> chriszanf: there is none. wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[05:46] <kemik> token: well, you say it works in ubuntu so it seems to be a windows problem
[05:46] <kemik> well gtg eat
[05:47] <jaqkar> I am looking to configure my Ubuntu box as a proxy/gateway, I want traffic then from the Ubuntu box to go to the ISP's proxy. So my windows box will have the ubuntu box as default gateway and pass all traffic to it, the ubuntu box will send all traffic to the proxy of ISP. The ubuntu box only has one nic.
[05:47] <token> ok ... i guess i should search somewhere else
[05:47] <jbull> chicken_: you running breezy?
[05:47] <token> :(
[05:47] <dabar> chicken_: there is a channel for not posting after your question so it would not scroll off the screen...
[05:47] <chriszanf> thx dabar
[05:47] <chicken_> jbull, nope
[05:47] <dabar> jaqkar: give me a sec, I may know how.
[05:47] <jbull> chicken_: and you're getting an x error about the fixed font?
[05:48] <chicken_> jbull, yea
[05:48] <Whyvasmc> hmrocha, and that link is?
[05:48] <jaqkar> dabar: thx
[05:48] <jbull> chicken_: what is that exact error again?
[05:48] <chicken_> i'll type it hang on
[05:48] <hmrocha> Whyvasmc, if you don't live in Portugal, you'll get very low speeds with that link
[05:48] <hmrocha> Whyvasmc, all the traffic is controlled
[05:49] <chriszanf> dabar - when the install first ran, I set various items up [screen res etc] but then logged out to try and switch off the sound servers to install OSS [for my delta66 card] but when I went to log back into root it wouldnt. is this all down to the page you linked?
[05:49] <stizoner> this channel should have like a bot setup where people take a number to ask a question, so that some questions arent passed by and its more organized, and a seperate ubuntu/kubuntu socieal channel would be cool to keep them seperate, just an idea
[05:50] <dabar> chriszanf: well...you could never log in as root had you not set it up, ubuntu just isnt set up for root logins. THrough the graphic login screen, gdm, or the shell.
[05:50] <riv> I used ctrl-alt-f3 to get to console... how do I get back to xwindows?
[05:50] <ctp> CTRL+ALT+F7
[05:50] <chriszanf> ah...ok.
[05:50] <chriszanf> thanks again
[05:50] <riv> ok, that's not working.
[05:50] <riv> so maybe it didn't start?
[05:50] <Concord_Dawn> When I add something to a user's crontab, do I have to do anything to start it? Or does it start by itself.?
[05:50] <ctp> yeah it might not be running
[05:50] <ctp> try startx
[05:50] <dabar> chriszanf: also, you gave me information that is not needed, so I kinda got lost in your sentence. as for root issues, that page tells it all, I think.
[05:50] <chicken_> here is the error i get when i run X Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed'; The X server's font path might be misconfigured, remote font server(s) may be unreachable, and/or local fonts may not be installed or or are not configured correctly
[05:50] <chriszanf> so all the screen res settings were lost down to not saving the session?
[05:51] <dabar> chriszanf: no idea.
[05:51] <dabar> jaqkar: ok, so, you have an Ubuntu that is connected to a modem?
[05:52] <jaqkar> dabar: i have a router and the and ubuntu behind it
[05:52] <dabar> chriszanf: resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto . the wiki has a search function.
[05:52] <riv> ctp: I startx and it just gives me a brown screen.
[05:52] <dabar> a router, eh? so, then there is a modem after the router?
[05:52] <riv> no cursor
[05:52] <riv> just brown
[05:52] <jbull> chicken_: where does your xorg.conf say the fonts should be?
[05:52] <dabar> no cursor at all?
[05:52] <chriszanf> i have sussed that - the problem was when i logged out, the settings were not retained when i logged back in
[05:52] <chicken_> *checks*
[05:52] <jaqkar> dabar: router/modeom in one
[05:52] <dabar> ok, so ADSL?
[05:53] <ctp> thats weird, like gnome isn't launching
[05:53] <riv> dabar: not that I can see.... I move the mouse around and nothing
[05:53] <ctp> you need to add gnome-session to a file i just forget which one!
[05:53] <jaqkar> dabar: yes
[05:53] <riv> but it's a pretty but screen
[05:53] <dabar> jaqkar: is there an option to connect the windows computer to the router?
[05:53] <ctp> looks like your X is configured ok but your mouse settings are right
[05:53] <chicken_> jbull, where is the file meant to be ?
[05:53] <ctp> there's something about when you convert from XFree to Xorg where you have to change your mouse setting to /dev/input/mice
[05:54] <ctp> if you can find your mouse entry in xorg.conf and tell me what it says?
[05:54] <dabar> riv, your computer does not start gdm, eh?
[05:54] <jaqkar> dabar: internet > router > switch > win & ubuntu box
[05:54] <riv> it's starts up and then goes to brown screen.
[05:54] <jbull> chicken_: which file? the fixed font file?
[05:54] <jaqkar> dabar: both are using the router now as default gateway
[05:54] <dabar> jaqkar: but for some reason you want the ubuntu to be the gateway for windows....
[05:54] <chicken_> jbull, no the xorg.conf
[05:55] <PAK_013> can I watch divx movies on iBook G3 300MHz 32MB ram memory with installed ubuntu and fluxbox ???
[05:55] <dabar> /etc/X11
[05:55] <dabar> PAK_013: have you installed the codecs?
[05:55] <jbull> chicken_: /etc/X11, like dabar said
[05:55] <dabar> win32codecs, to be more specific.
[05:55] <jaqkar> dabar: yes because i want all traffic to go to isp proxy, so i want to config the win box to have ubuntu as default gateway and then i want ubuntu to forward all traffic to proxy of isp
[05:56] <chicken_> ahhh found it
[05:56] <chicken_> i was not looking lol
[05:56] <dabar> agreed.
[05:56] <stizoner> another idea about the channel: could also have the bot move people, if someone asks a question about a program they are using that happens to have a channel here then could just do !move channel and keep this room more clean for ubuntu questions
[05:56] <dabar> jaqkar: so, then, you can have ubuntu send out a IP to the windows...
[05:56] <PAK_013> dabar I didnt installed system yet... because I want first to know is my iBoog strong enough to play DixX ? What do you think, will it play DivX ?
[05:56] <chriszanf> ah..have another issue [sorry] when trying to open package mngr, it opens and closes very quickly
[05:56] <dabar> jaqkar: go install ipmasq and dnsmasq from universe.
[05:57] <jaqkar> dabar: yes or can i keep static ip's?
[05:57] <dabar> I really do not know. why is nalioth no more in the channel?
[05:57] <chicken_> most the font paths are /usr/lib/X11/fonts/
[05:57] <dabar> you can have static IPs even with ubuntu telling you the IP. what is the IP you want, something like 192.***?
[05:58] <seife> yo help,how do i install mirc in linux?
[05:58] <chicken_> the local font server is /unix:7100
[05:58] <dabar> seife: there are other programs. have you isntalled ubuntu yet?
[05:58] <Dr_Willis> seife, use a different irc client like xchat please.. :P
[05:58] <seife> man
[05:58] <seife> im afraid
[05:58] <seife> i have the HD on my hands
[05:58] <jaqkar> dabar: would like to keep a static ip on win box for now
[05:58] <seife> :'(
[05:58] <seife> i just have to unplug my windows HDs
[05:58] <seife> and plug this one
[05:58] <stizoner> xchat is easyier then mirc
[05:58] <seife> and start installing
[05:58] <PAK_013> seife use XChat ... it's great!
[05:59] <chicken_> irssi is the best :P
[05:59] <Dr_Willis> seife, put them both in.. and install ubunto the 2nd one. and just dual boot.
[05:59] <seife> Dr_Willis i have two HDs.
[05:59] <jbull> chicken_: seems to me like xorg is looking for your fonts in the wrong place--have you tried a sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[05:59] <seife> plus this one
[05:59] <seife> well, 3 HDs
[05:59] <seife> 2 window HDs, and this empty one
[05:59] <chicken_> jbull, nope
[05:59] <dabar> jaqkar: what are the IPs like, 192.something?
[05:59] <jbull> chicken_: give it a shot
[06:00] <chicken_> jbull, ok
[06:00] <dabar> PAK_013: email mspruell (at) gmail.com about the g3 performance, he uses that.
[06:00] <dabar> he wont miond, it seems.
[06:00] <seife> Dr_Willis: hello?
[06:00] <PAK_013> dabar thanks a lot!
[06:00] <chicken_> command not found
[06:01] <jaqkar> dabar: router/gateway>192.168.1.1 - win>192.168.1.20 - ubuntu>192.168.1.3
[06:01] <dabar> ok, that can be easily set up, the static part. jaqkar, have you installed the two packages I told you?
[06:01] <dabar> digital_linux: hows things going?
[06:01] <Dr_Willis> seife, yes?
[06:01] <chicken_> jbull, dkpg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[06:02] <chicken_> jbull, did i type it rigt ?
[06:02] <dabar> sure
[06:02] <jbull> chicken_: did you use sudo?
[06:02] <zerboxx> How can I stop esd from starting up?
[06:02] <dabar> dpkg
[06:02] <chicken_> jbull, right*
[06:02] <chriszanf> when I open synaptic package manager - it close immediately.
[06:02] <riv> whoa
[06:02] <chicken_> jbull, mope nit o am logged in as root
[06:02] <dabar> zerboxx: when you log in to gnome?
[06:02] <riv> sorry about that... lost connection
[06:02] <zerboxx> dabar: Yup
[06:02] <chicken_> jbull, nope but i am logged in as root*
[06:02] <dabar> chriszanf: I hate that program, it does similar things to me too...
[06:03] <chriszanf> is it better to install apps through shell, etc?
[06:03] <jaqkar> dabar: i installed the 2 packages
[06:03] <dabar> zerboxx: its in System Prefs, sound.
[06:03] <riv> ok, when I startx, I get just a brown screen.
[06:03] <zerboxx> dabar: Perfect, thanks
[06:03] <chriszanf> im about to install nvidia driversa ther try to srot dual#head
[06:03] <Zipher> Does the amd64 live cd support usb cdroms or sata cdroms?
[06:03] <Concord_Dawn> Can anyone help me with restarting mysqld after it's crashed? I get the error shown here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1389
[06:03] <riv> dabar: sorry about that, system went dead
[06:03] <jbull> chicken_: ah...what xorg version are you using?
[06:04] <dabar> chriszanf: not better, same, but synaptic seems still buggy in some things,. and I dont know how to fix it, so I learned command line apt-get, and aptitude
[06:04] <digital_linux> dabar, sorry took so long had another call well i have ipmasq and dnsmasq installed
[06:04] <chriszanf> k - thanks
[06:04] <dabar> Riv: about what?...I dont know really.
[06:04] <chicken_> jbull, how do i find that out ?
[06:04] <dabar> that is fine digital_linux, Im here still...
[06:04] <riv> when I try to boot, or when I try to startx I just get a brown screen.
[06:04] <dabar> ok, you two bot have the packages installed now.
[06:05] <digital_linux> yes
[06:05] <Concord_Dawn> Can anyone help me with restarting mysqld after it's crashed? I get the error shown here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1389
[06:05] <dabar> Concord_Dawn: sudo invoke-rc.d mysqld start, or restart
[06:05] <Concord_Dawn> thanks dabar
[06:05] <chicken_> Concord_Dawn, invoke-rc.d restart mysqld ?
[06:06] <dabar> ok, well, you digital_linux have to paste that /etc/network/interfaces.
[06:06] <Concord_Dawn> chicken_, the mysqld crashed while I was installing a kernel update.
[06:06] <digital_linux> one sec
[06:06] <Concord_Dawn> dabar, when I try your command I get invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/mysqld not found.
[06:06] <zerboxx> how can I see my ram usage in the terminal?
[06:06] <Concord_Dawn> erm
[06:06] <Dr_Willis> zerboxx, 'free' command i think
[06:06] <Concord_Dawn> yup.
[06:06] <dabar> You dont have it installed through apt-get do you, Concord_Dawn?
[06:07] <chicken_> Concord_Dawn, invoke-rc.d mysqld start
[06:07] <Concord_Dawn> I do.
[06:07] <jbull> chicken_: if you navigate to /usr/lib/X11/fonts are the fonts actually there?
[06:07] <dabar> zerboxx: top.
[06:07] <Concord_Dawn> I install most things through apt-get.
[06:07] <chicken_> jbull, *checks*
[06:07] <dabar> Concord_Dawn: ls /etc/init.d and see if you have mysqld there...
[06:07] <dabar> jaqkar: you need to set up your /etc/dnsmasq.conf, so open in with sudo gedit /etc/dnsmasq.conf
[06:07] <zerboxx> Dr_Willis, dabar: free was what I was looking for, but since it's so hight, now I'll use top :)
[06:08] <digital_linux> what is that addy that i need to past it at again
[06:08] <Concord_Dawn> dabar, I have mysql, but no mysqld
[06:08] <dabar> then staert that, Concord_Dawn.
[06:08] <chicken_> jbull, There is no font folder in there
[06:08] <dabar> !paste
[06:08] <ubotu> somebody said paste was please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[06:08] <dabar> also find out the ethernet MAC address of the windows, jaqkar.
[06:08] <jaqkar> dabar: open
[06:09] <jbull> chicken_: there is no font folder in /usr/lib/X11 at all?
[06:09] <digital_linux> dabar, i am pasting in #flood
[06:09] <chicken_> jbull, Nope
[06:09] <ofer0> i want to compile everything i download from APT, how do i do it? comment everything in sources.list but the "deb-src" repos ?
[06:09] <gabriel> hi would you help me on hibernation?
[06:09] <Concord_Dawn> thanks a lot dabar
[06:09] <jbull> chicken_: oh my...one sec.
[06:09] <hondje> ofer0: apt-get build-dep packagename will download the required deps to build it, then apt-get source -b packagename
[06:09] <ofer0> gabriel, i don`t think you need to do it. when you restart, you can just click "save all settings" or something, and it is just like hibernation in linux
[06:09] <dabar> ok, well, scroll through it a little, uncomment that. commented out means # is in front of the line. jaqkar.
[06:09] <chicken_> jbull, lol
[06:10] <ofer0> dabar, are you sure?
[06:10] <hondje> But you not going to be able to recompile everything without serious efforts, ubuntu isn't a source distro
[06:10] <ofer0> hondje, thanx :) can i compile my kernel and gnome that way ?
[06:10] <neil> Hi
[06:11] <zenlunatic> I am running powerpc hoary. sometimes my machine turns off for no apparant reason. any ideas?
[06:11] <jaqkar> dabar: uncomment what?
[06:11] <hondje> make-kpkg is better for the kernel, but you could redo gnome that way. Don't know why you would, but it can be done
[06:11] <dabar> ofer0: about what, I am not sure I talked to you at all.
[06:11] <riv> is anyone good with xwindows problems?
[06:11] <chicken_> zenlunatic, turn it back on :P
[06:11] <gabriel> oferg, but i would like to keep a windows xp session open on ubuntu trough vmware
[06:11] <dabar> jaqkar: that message was edited, so it does not make sense...mine, that is above.
[06:11] <riv> I just get a brown screen when I startx
[06:11] <zerboxx> Dr_Willis: I'm hoping you know, but does this make sense.. "http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1390"
[06:12] <gabriel> oferg, that's why i would like hibernation to work
[06:12] <jbull> chicken_: you're running hoary, yes? see if the fonts are in any of these directories (if they exist): /usr/share/X11/fonts /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts
[06:12] <reiki_work> I have Spamassassin working with Evolution. If anyone is interested and wants directions I'll post a URL. It's a little slow so I wouldn't recommend it for people getting hundreds of email at the same time. Any better solution I'd love to hear about it
[06:12] <chicken_> jbull, ok
[06:12] <dabar> riv, sudo rm /tmp/*
[06:12] <jaqkar> dabar: oki ive got dnsmasq.conf open
[06:12] <riv> ok, anyone know where to find errors from xwindows?
[06:12] <dabar> that may help you.
[06:12] <ofer0> hondje, i heard that ubuntu compiled with 386 processor in order the distro to work well on 386, 486, 586 and 686 computers. if ill compile it using my 686 processor, it will be much optimized
[06:13] <riv> an error log?
[06:13] <dabar> jaqkar: how about that MAC address?
[06:13] <scoperesolution> I need help getting my wireless card working in ubuntu
[06:13] <neil> If something is not in the repositories, how do I install it? From source or rpms?
[06:13] <jbull> scoperesolution: what kind of card is it?
[06:13] <scoperesolution> its a microsoft mn-720
[06:13] <hondje> The difference would be minimal
[06:13] <dabar> reiki_work: post it to the forums, I think.
[06:13] <scoperesolution> I was told to use mdiswrapper
[06:13] <scoperesolution> but its not working
[06:13] <chicken_> jbull, there is no X11 folder in /usr/share
[06:13] <jbull> chicken_: ok, and the other folder
[06:14] <jaqkar> dabar: got it
[06:14] <chicken_> jbull, where was the other folder you asked me to look in ?
[06:14] <dabar> riv, so try that, and then startx, that may well help.
[06:14] <jbull> /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts
[06:14] <dabar> jaqkar: good, let me open that conf file.
[06:14] <reiki_work> dabar: uh.... forums.... forums.... where? There's official ones?
[06:15] <ofer0> hondje, ok. one more question. in ubuntuforums, somebody published a "howto" compile the kernel yourself. it says something about downloading kernel-headers - but i never saw output of gcc, and i do see it when i compile regular packages thru APT. was i compiling it ?
[06:15] <dabar> ubuntuforums.org, which google could have told you, reiki.
[06:15] <riv> dabar: I did that... same problem.
[06:15] <hondje> ofer0: apt will make a .deb file, then you know it's done
[06:15] <chicken_> jbull, no fonts folder in there as well :-<
[06:15] <dabar> and you are using gnome, I take?
[06:15] <reiki_work> dabar: no offense, but I've seen several obuntu forums... wanted to make sure I was posting into the right ones. :)
[06:15] <dabar> really several? hm...I dont know if those are official.
[06:15] <ofer0> hondje, ok, thanx.
[06:16] <dabar> they are the ones I know about.
[06:16] <hondje> ofer0: I never read a kernel compiling how-to, so I don't know....frankly I'm too lazy to rebuild mine, no benefits for me since everything I have is supported
[06:16] <jaqkar> http://ubuntuforums.org/
[06:16] <jbull> scoperesolution: try this howto http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25683
[06:16] <dabar> jaqkar: ok, open http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1391 .
[06:16] <riv> What is DRIScreenInit??
[06:16] <gabriel> on the net i have found that hibernation works on my laptop but there is a solution to hiberation. unload fglrx. but when i give the command rmmod fglrx i get the answer fglrx doesn't exist in /proc/modules that's because i have a ati radeon 9700 ?
[06:16] <jbull> chicken_: hm..distressing...you're running the most current hoary?
[06:16] <cyphase> what are some wireless cards that your using with ubuntu?
[06:16] <dabar> its a config file. jaqkar, so , it has those instructions telling you what which does.
[06:17] <chicken_> jbull, 5.04 server install
[06:17] <dabar> jaqkar: will you plug the windows into the ubuntu?
[06:17] <jaqkar> dabar: open
[06:17] <dabar> or you said one NIC?
[06:18] <HeXiOn> Hi
[06:18] <jaqkar> dabar: plug?
[06:18] <jbull> chicken_: and this x error is a recent occurrence?
[06:19] <chicken_> jbull, installed X just 10 minutes ago
[06:19] <scoperesolution> jbull, ever used mdiswrapper?
[06:19] <dabar> will you connect the windows to the Ubuntu machine, by plugging an ethernet cord into the ubuntu from windows, or did you say you have one NIC in the ubuntu PC
[06:19] <MorphDK> Hey.. When I'm doing an apt-get upgrade, it tells me that mozilla-firefox has been kept back.. Why?
[06:19] <chicken_> jbull, and installed ubuntu 20 minutes ago
[06:19] <dabar> MorphDK: did you try apt-get dist-upgrade?
[06:19] <jbull> scoperesolution: no, i'm afraid not
[06:19] <HeXiOn> I have a problem with my ubuntu installation. It doesnt recognize my SATA drive. I have been searching and found a module in the chipset's web for kernel 2.6.8. Its a file called sata_uli.c What must I do in the installation process to load it???
[06:19] <scoperesolution> jbull, ok thanks
[06:20] <jaqkar> dabar: one nic in ubuntu. win, ubuntu and router connected via switch
[06:20] <dabar> ndiswrapper.
[06:20] <gabriel> morphdk if you use synaptic it updates firefox too with no problem
[06:20] <dabar> aha, a switrch, right, sorry.
[06:20] <MorphDK> gabriel, nope
[06:20] <scoperesolution> got any clue where I can find the kernel source without having apt-get working, since I dont have a vaild network connection anymore
[06:20] <MorphDK> dabar, no I didn't
[06:20] <dabar> same as here...now you have to tweak that dnsmasq.conf
[06:20] <gabriel> have you tried refreshing the packages?
[06:21] <HeXiOn> can someone help me?
[06:21] <jbull> chicken_: if you run "locate fonts | grep X11" without the quotes, what shows up?
[06:21] <HeXiOn> can someone help me?
[06:21] <HeXiOn> I have a problem with my ubuntu installation. It doesnt recognize my SATA drive. I have been searching and found a module in the chipset's web for kernel 2.6.8. Its a file called sata_uli.c What must I do in the installation process to load it???
[06:21] <dabar> jaqkar: find this part: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1392 .
[06:21] <beniamino_> anyone know anything about freezes using SMP kernels (hoary)?
[06:22] <dabar> jaqkar: remove the # from the last line, replace the MAC address with the windows one, and replace the IP shown there with the .20 one that you want.
[06:22] <Digital_Warrior0> dabar ok one i took out the gateway from eth0 my wireless stoped working.
[06:22] <beniamino_> just installed 5.04 on a dual xeon. am getting random freezes with both 2.6.10smp and 1.6.11smp kernels
[06:22] <Digital_Warrior0> dont know y but i do not have acess to the net any more
[06:22] <dabar> well, did you again restart as before?
[06:22] <Digital_Warrior0> if i ping it trys pining with the eth0 ip
[06:22] <HeXiOn> I have a problem with my ubuntu installation. It doesnt recognize my SATA drive. I have been searching and found a module in the chipset's web for kernel 2.6.8. Its a file called sata_uli.c What must I do in the installation process to load it???
[06:22] <Digital_Warrior0> no, doble checkd every thing then yes
[06:23] <chicken_> jbull, locate: /var/cache/locate/locatedb: no such file or directory
[06:23] <dabar> aha. and when you put back the gateway, does it work again?
[06:23] <pestilence> is there anybody in here who knows enough about ifconfig to tell me why i have to sleep 5 for certain things (e.g. mii-tool and arping) to work properly?
[06:24] <dabar> jaqkar: then you need to find this part, and set that up too: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1393 .
[06:24] <mrstarkweather> hey, does anyone know how the hell I install and RUN gstreamer so I can play .mp3 files???
[06:24] <chicken_> jbull, A.k.A : locate not working
[06:24] <gabriel> cyphase, ipw2200 b/g card
[06:24] <jbull> chicken_: run updatedb as root
[06:25] <kevor> When i change my display settings with xrandr they are not saved, when i logout and login again my settings are ALWAYs on the highest...
[06:25] <mrstarkweather> ok...thanks...but how do I log in as the "root user"???
[06:25] <chicken_> jbull, command not found
[06:25] <Digital_Warrior0> dabar yes it does
[06:25] <Digital_Warrior0> does it matter what order they are listed in interfaces
[06:26] <chicken_> jbull, no it works just typed it wrong
[06:26] <gabriel> does anybody know how to unload vesa drivers=?
[06:26] <chicken_> jbull, what does that do ?
[06:26] <Kalquaro> Hi guys. I've got a Dell Inspiron 6000 laptop and I was trying the Ununtu Live CD. When it loads the GUI, I hear the "welcome sound" but my screen stays black. Is there any known issue regarding that problem?
[06:26] <jbull> chicken_: creates the file that locate was complaining about not existing
[06:27] <chicken_> jbull, ahhhhh
[06:27] <chicken_> jbull, *trys again*
[06:27] <riv> Kalquaro: I'm having similar issues
[06:28] <riv> on my gateway laptop
[06:28] <chicken_> jbull, /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts :-D
[06:28] <jbull> chicken_: is that it?
[06:28] <dabar> Digital_Warrior0: I am reading something up. You can join me. sudo gunzip /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz then gedit /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces
[06:28] <riv> I'm looking at the xwindows logfile to see if there's anything useful there.
[06:29] <jaqkar> dabar: the last one -http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1393
[06:29] <chicken_> jbull, there are 3 .a files in there
[06:29] <dabar> ya?
[06:29] <jaqkar> dabar: im not using dhcp so do i still need that?
[06:29] <Kalquaro> riv: I don't know if this could be related to the graphic card... Mine is a Mobile Inter 915 Express.
[06:29] <jbull> chicken_: no, no I mean is that the only output you get from locate?
[06:29] <dabar> You are using dhcp in fact internally.
[06:29] <Kalquaro> Inter = intel, sorry
[06:29] <dabar> the first one you did will make dhcp give the same IP address to teh windows M<AC address, however.
[06:29] <jaqkar> dabar: im using static ip's
[06:30] <dabar> ya, I know.
[06:30] <chicken_> jbull, the all go to the same place /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/font/
[06:30] <riv> Kalquaro: No idea. But the logfile is at /var/log/Xorg.log
[06:30] <digitalfox> what did the recent update to the kernel in Hoary add/fix?
[06:31] <jbull> chicken_: ok...try just a simple "locate fonts"
[06:31] <gabriel> hwy gabriel
[06:31] <gabriel> gabriel
[06:31] <chicken_> jbull, ok
[06:31] <jaqkar> dabar: so i will use dhcp now from ubuntu - mean ubuntu will act as dhcp?
[06:31] <selinium_> any bluetooth wizaerds around?
[06:31] <chicken_> jbull, there all in /usr/share/fonts
[06:31] <gabriel> anybody knows how to unload vesa drivers?
[06:31] <dabar> yes, that is correct.
[06:31] <Kalquaro> To be honnest I'm new to linux, I've been a Dos / Windows user for years now. I don't even know if I can try to boot using the text only mode.
[06:32] <jbull> chicken_: seems like the fonts for X aren't installed...i don't know how that happened
[06:32] <chriszanf> tryiung to install LAMP setup - using apt-get and following pages in wiki but when I do "apt-get install php4-mysql" its saying package does not exist - any help?
[06:32] <dabar> jaqkar: set those up now.
[06:33] <riv> Kalquaro: ctrl-alt-f3 will put you in text mode
[06:33] <chicken_> jbull, what is the normal package to install X ?
[06:33] <dabar> chriszanf: add repositories. /msg ubotu repos
[06:33] <jbull> chicken_: is the package xfonts-base installed?
[06:34] <chriszanf> where do I do that?
[06:34] <jbull> chicken_: xserver-xorg
[06:34] <jaqkar> dabar: done
[06:34] <dabar> jaqkar: then, sudo invoke-rc.d dnsmasq restart .
[06:34] <jaqkar> dabar: save file?
[06:34] <dabar> save file first, yes.
[06:34] <riv> in xwindows, what key combination changes resolutions?
[06:34] <dabar> then set up the windows for a dynamic IP with DHCP. Know how?
[06:35] <chicken_> jbull, don't think i had xfonts-base *downloading*
[06:35] <jaqkar> dabar: done
[06:35] <tgnx> i installed ubuntu yesterday. after installing the base system i went to install the binary ati drivers via apt-get however the version that was installed with this was too old for my chipset. i then downloaded the newest drivers from ati and installed them. i have those new drivers installed and working with 2d but cannot get dri to work. the X log files complain about the kernel module not matching with the driver version
[06:35] <jbull> chicken_: hopefully that'll solve the problem *crosses fingers*
[06:36] <dabar> set up windows for a dynamic IP with dhcp, jaqkar?
[06:36] <chicken_> jbull, hehe :-P i should write a book on this lol
[06:36] <jaqkar> dabar: oki
[06:36] <dabar> if you dont know hwo, I have a link.
[06:36] <jaqkar> dabar: ok one thing my router is also setup for dhcp although im using static, so id prob need to disable that first
[06:37] <chicken_> jbull, good thing i have broadband it's 14.6MB
[06:37] <dabar> jaqkar: dont yet.
[06:37] <dabar> Digital
[06:37] <tgny> i installed ubuntu yesterday. after installing the base system i went to install the binary ati drivers via apt-get however the version that was installed with this was too old for my chipset. i then downloaded the newest drivers from ati and installed them. i have those new drivers installed and working with 2d but cannot get dri to work. the X log files complain about the kernel module not matching with the driver version
[06:37] <dabar> Digital_Warrior0: which gateway did you remove, the one from ra0, or from eth0, or both?
[06:38] <jaqkar> dabar: how will windows know where to get the ip from as there are 2 dhcp servers now
[06:38] <chriszanf> dabar chriszanf: add repositories. /msg ubotu repos <== where?
[06:38] <jbull> chicken_: agreed
[06:38] <Digital_Warrior0> yes dbar
[06:38] <dabar> repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[06:38] <dabar> !ask the bot
[06:38] <ubotu> somebody said ask the bot was to get information about common things, try asking me, the bot. You can private message me if your nick is registered(/msg NickServ HELP REGISTER) you can private message me, by using /msg ubotu mp3, for example.
[06:38] <Digital_Warrior0> eth0
[06:38] <Digital_Warrior0> is the one i removed
[06:38] <chriszanf> thx dabar!
[06:38] <chicken_> jbull, *installing*
[06:38] <kelsey> How do I open ports 43594 and 43595 for inbound and outbound TCP traffic?
[06:39] <dabar> which is completely weird that would affect ra0.
[06:39] <Digital_Warrior0> ya it is
[06:39] <Digital_Warrior0> let me try someting and i will get back to you
[06:39] <dabar> ya, cool.
[06:39] <apokryphos> kelsey: look for something like "Virtual Servers" or something in your Router's Browser setup, and enable the ports from there
[06:39] <kelsey> anyone?
[06:39] <dabar> jaqkar: good question, let us think abotu that, after we try whether it works like this.
[06:39] <Digital_Warrior0> i hate it when it does not work the 3rd time
[06:39] <kelsey> thank you
[06:39] <chicken_> jbull, ok time to test it :) wish me luck every one
[06:39] <dabar> kelsey: on a erouter?
[06:40] <kelsey> it goes from etherent card to gatway to phone line (DSL)
[06:40] <jaqkar> dabar: let me disable dhcp on router since im not using it now
[06:40] <gabriel> does anybody know whitch of these modules could be my grafic card ? ide-cd ide-disk ide-generic lp mousedev psmouse sbp2 sr_mod apm
[06:40] <kelsey> i mean gateway
[06:40] <dabar> You will not get an IP on ubuntu.
[06:40] <jaqkar> dabar: need to reboot stupid router then to apply changes
[06:41] <dabar> if you disable DHCP on the router.
[06:41] <dabar> Or maybe you will, dunno about the routers that much.
[06:41] <dabar> and static IPs and that.
[06:41] <chriszanf> sorry dabar - not used mirc b4
[06:41] <plagerism> how would I could about setting LC_ALL globally??
[06:41] <dabar> chriszanf: sorry why?
[06:41] <prower> gabriel: None of those, as far as I can see
[06:41] <jaqkar> dabar: ok im confused
[06:41] <dabar> its a learning experience.
[06:41] <dabar> jaqkar: I am too.
[06:42] <chriszanf> repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[06:42] <chriszanf> dabar !ask the bot
[06:42] <jaqkar> dabar: we setup ubuntu now to give ip;s
[06:42] <chicken_> jbull, well it did work but i had to force it to shutdown because it would not let me go to the terminal
[06:42] <dabar> chriszanf: ask the bot is a good thing to learn.
[06:42] <jbull> chicken_: more error msgs?
[06:42] <dabar> let us restart that server, and see how it all works out, after you set up windows for a dynamic IP.
[06:42] <jaqkar> dabar: ok lemmi test
[06:42] <chicken_> jbull, a few but i do not think they will be much of a priblem
[06:42] <Digital_Warrior0> ok that is funn as i reoobted and x was starting i got a ping from ra0 then droped it
[06:43] <chicken_> jbull, problem*
[06:43] <jbull> chicken_: ok, good luck
[06:43] <chicken_> jbull, Thanks :-D
[06:43] <gabriel> prower thanks. i need to unload fglrx module whitch should be for the ati radeon card that i have to activate hibernation. but i have ho fglrx module loaded in etc/modules/ what could that be then?
[06:43] <zerokarmaleft> why doesn't mono in backports ship with nunit?
[06:44] <riv> anyone know how to change xwindows resolution from commandline?
[06:44] <dabar> jaqkar: you are going to leave ubuntu as is, and set up windows for a dynamic IP using DHCP. Then you are going to try to connect with the windows, and tell me whether you get the .20 IP address.
[06:44] <mdke> how does one apply a patch to a kernel?
[06:44] <dabar> jaqkar: as I see it annyhow.
[06:45] <chicken_> How do i make X let me switch to a terminal ?
[06:45] <dabar> zerokarmaleft: hav eyou asked this at the forums?
[06:45] <chicken_> by using alt + F1 - F6
[06:45] <chriszanf> ubotu: repos
[06:45] <ubotu> somebody said repos was at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[06:45] <dabar> alt+ctrl+f4
[06:45] <Determinist> how can i remove the ATI drivers i've installed?
[06:46] <dabar> chriszanf: ya, that works too, but if you ask him in private, we dont see it, and can chat here easier.
[06:46] <chicken_> X won't let me use alt F1 - F6
[06:46] <dabar> alt+ctrl+
[06:46] <zerokarmaleft> dabar, somebody already did
[06:46] <chicken_> oooops i mean alt + ctrl + F1 - F6
[06:47] <_BIJ_> anyone knows how to update ubuntu 5.04 to 5.10 without a complete reinstall?
[06:47] <Digital_Warrior0> now that is funny
[06:47] <Digital_Warrior0> \i can now see the net but cant see the other machine
[06:47] <dabar> zerokarmaleft: ok, good.
[06:48] <dabar> ok, on the linux?
[06:48] <ZincX> 5.10 is out ?
[06:48] <dabar> Digital_Warrior0: on the linux?
[06:48] <Digital_Warrior0> yes
[06:48] <_BIJ_> 5.10 colony 3
[06:48] <chicken_> what do i do so X lets me use ctrl + alt + F1 - F6 ?
[06:48] <Digital_Warrior0> it is like it will only take one ip
[06:48] <ZincX> oho.. beta aen ?
[06:49] <Digital_Warrior0> but i had it working before to where on linux i could be on the net and see the other pc
[06:49] <plagerism> Hey I just upgraded to breezy for testing purposes. Is there a known bug with python 2.4 regarding locales?? I found a similar bug report on a debian changelog
[06:49] <mdke> _BIJ_, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace each instance of "hoary" with "breezy"
[06:49] <jaqkar__> oki back
[06:49] <Digital_Warrior0> let me see somehting
[06:49] <dabar> Nono, we'll fix that, Digital_Warrior0. so, now you can see the Internet with the wireless, great, what did you do?
[06:49] <hmrocha> _BIJ_, don't update yet, you'll have problems
[06:49] <_BIJ_> hmm oki...
[06:49] <_BIJ_> hmrocha, but i really want to try...
[06:49] <dabar> oki, jaqkar__
[06:49] <mdke> _BIJ_, you can do it, but if you want a stable working system, don't do it
[06:50] <jaqkar__> dabar: weird thing now
[06:50] <mdke> _BIJ_, if you just want to try it for fun, do it
[06:50] <hmrocha> _BIJ_, change all repositories from hoary to breezy
[06:50] <hmrocha> _BIJ_, then, "sudo apt-get update"
[06:50] <jaqkar__> dabar: win get ip, must be from ubuntu because it get default gateway as 192.168.1.3 which is ubuntu box
[06:50] <hmrocha> _BIJ_, "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[06:50] <_BIJ_> ok thanx i'll try... just 4 fun
[06:51] <hmrocha> _BIJ_, after the upgrade you'll come here and say "X stoped working, what can i do?"
[06:51] <jaqkar__> dabar: win gets ip 192.168.1.8
[06:51] <mdke> who can tell me how to apply a patch to kernel source?
[06:51] <dabar> but you set up that one line I told you?
[06:51] <jaqkar__> dabar: not .20 as specified
[06:51] <dabar> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1392
[06:51] <jaqkar__> dabar: yes
[06:51] <chicken_> when i try startx it says command not found ?
[06:51] <Digital_Warrior0> ok dabar it looks like i can only use one interface at a time
[06:51] <jaqkar__> dabar: i setup both
[06:51] <dabar> ya, weird, but goes to the Internet?
[06:51] <bur[n] er> anyone know how to open .vnc files??
[06:52] <dabar> that would be very strange, Digital_Warrior0
[06:52] <dabar> what did you do to get online?
[06:52] <dabar> jaqkar__ your windows can get online?
[06:52] <ZincX> hey... 2.6.11 is out aen ?
[06:53] <_BIJ_> hmrocha, do you think that the x-server will stop working?
[06:53] <mdke> _BIJ_, it is likely
[06:53] <jaqkar__> dabar: no
[06:54] <dabar> jaqkar__: you cant get online?
[06:54] <jaqkar__> dabar: if i check ipconfig it shows its got an ip
[06:54] <mdke> _BIJ_, if you are an experienced Ubuntu or debian user you will be able to fix it, but otherwise, you can look on the forums for help
[06:54] <Dr_Melectaus> im trying to install some packages, and it asks me to put the ubuntu install disc in. When i do so and attempt to mount it i get an error message saying "mount: can't open /etc/mtab for writing: Input/output error". Can anyone help me sort it out?
[06:54] <dabar> but you can get online with it, eh?...hm...
[06:54] <jaqkar__> dabar: but in windows its trying to aquire ip address
[06:54] <Digital_Warrior0> took out the gateway out of eth0 ifdown everyting and then ifup ra0 then ifup eth0
[06:54] <_BIJ_> oh shit... hmm
[06:54] <dabar> Digital_Warrior0: which gets you online, good.
[06:55] <dabar> ifconfig, Digital_Warrior0
[06:55] <dabar> tell me if there is a eth0 entry, and paste it.
[06:55] <jaqkar__> dabar: no it wont get online
[06:55] <dabar> not here, right...
[06:55] <dabar> jaqkar__: lets do the following then, I guess..
[06:55] <Digital_Warrior0> ok hear is one for you i just ifdown eth0 and on the windows box i am getting a relpy now
[06:55] <jaqkar__> what is the conf file again so i can check it
[06:55] <mdke> _BIJ_, it's good fun to learn how to fix these things, but if you don't have the time or don't want to have that problem, don't upgrade
[06:56] <dabar> open that config file again. /etx/dnsmasq.conf
[06:56] <dabar> etc
[06:56] <jaqkar__> k
[06:56] <dabar> Digital_Warrior0: ? heh, so now it connects to the networkl?
[06:56] <ZincX> dabar, what if i wanted to update from 2.6.10-5 to 2.6.11-1
[06:56] <ZincX> ?
[06:57] <dabar> ZincX: no idea.
[06:57] <dabar> jaqkar__: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1394 set that up.
[06:57] <Digital_Warrior0> what do you want to know out of ifconfig
[06:57] <ZincX> oh? k
[06:57] <dabar> Digital_Warrior0: is it working now?
[06:58] <ZincX> dabar, im facin sum prblems wen im compiling an ircd ...
[06:58] <dabar> speak in english.
[06:58] <Digital_Warrior0> not at the same time
[06:58] <dabar> aha.
[06:58] <Digital_Warrior0> ifconfig shows it as being up but i can not ping it
[06:58] <dabar> well. tell me again, you shut down eth0, and can get online, and ping the 2000 box ??
[06:59] <Digital_Warrior0> linux is connect to the internet that is it
[06:59] <ZincX> me ?
[06:59] <Flonne> ZincX, several IRCds already reside in the various Ubuntu repositories. Could you mention its name?
[06:59] <dabar> jaqkar__: then you will need to reboot all machines, everything. You wont really need to, but want you to see what happens when you reboot everything. Shut down the modem, and the computers, leave it off for a minute(praying is a good activity during this time...)
[06:59] <Digital_Warrior0> no
[06:59] <Concord_Dawn> Anyone know a good bandwidth metering program?
[06:59] <ZincX> Flonne, the ircds on ubuntu repositories are not updated.. i am trying to run ircu.. but i am facing some problems with some AC thingy
[06:59] <Digital_Warrior0> if ra0 is down i can ping the 200 box but not the internet if ra0 up eth0 up i can get on internet but can not ping eth0
[06:59] <dabar> then turn on the router, and modem thingie, and then after it gets solid lights on it, turn on the ubuntu. When everyuthing is booted, turn on the windows.
[07:00] <jaqkar__> dabar: just noticed something
[07:00] <dabar>
[07:01] <Flonne> ZincX, in what stage does the error occur? If it's configuring, you may have an unsatisfied dependency.
[07:01] <jaqkar__> dabar: where i had to put the mac address
[07:01] <dabar> right.
[07:01] <jaqkar__> dabar: in windows its xx-xx-xx-xx
[07:01] <dabar> did you uncomment?
[07:01] <ZincX> Flonne, there is a little problem when configuring
[07:01] <dabar> ya
[07:01] <jaqkar__> dabar: in the conf it needs xx:xx:xx:xx
[07:01] <dabar> same crap.
[07:02] <ZincX> that happens sometimes
[07:02] <jaqkar__> dabar: gonna fix it now
[07:02] <dabar> aha
[07:02] <John> where is the archive modprobe.conf?
[07:02] <chicken_> why do i get command not found when i try start x ???
[07:02] <dabar> ok, ya, set it up as said in the conf file.
[07:02] <ZincX> but if the configuring is correct.. then the problem arises when i make
[07:02] <dabar> Digital_Warrior0: um...
[07:02] <chicken_> why do i get command not found when i try startx ???
[07:02] <ZincX> ircd@net:~/ircu2.10.11.07+MChat$ make
[07:02] <dabar> get both interfaces up for a second.
[07:02] <ZincX> cd . && autoconf
[07:02] <ZincX> configure.in:120: warning: AC_TRY_RUN called without default to allow cross compiling
[07:02] <dabar> then paste the ifconfig output, plaeas..
[07:03] <Digital_Warrior0> ok one min let me log back in
[07:03] <dabar> sure
[07:04] <jaqkar__> dabar: what was cmd to restart?
[07:04] <Digital_Warrior0> connecting be there in a min
[07:04] <chicken_> why do i get command not found when i try startx ???
[07:04] <dabar> any server on ubuntu and debian can be restarted by invoke-rc.d servername restart
[07:05] <dark^ngel> Bad page state at free_hot_cold_page -- wuzzat?
[07:05] <dabar> as root, so sudo invoke-rc.d dnsmasq restart
[07:05] <chicken_> why do i get command not found when i try startx ???
[07:06] <tgny> what do i need to install to change the gtk theme when i'm in KDE?
[07:06] <Digital_Warrior0> x not installed
[07:06] <Digital_Warrior0> laugh out loud
[07:06] <dabar> hehe, he spelled it out.
[07:06] <dark^ngel> or xorg instead of XF86
[07:06] <dabar> it needs to be installed, tho, chicken_.
[07:06] <Digital_Warrior0> no my irc script does it
[07:06] <cmatheson> i think my server's disk is fried... where can i get a rescue disk (the install cd doesn't have that functionality i think?)
[07:06] <jaqkar_u> dabar: i used ssh from win
[07:06] <dabar> chicken_: how did you install ubuntu? as sercver install?
[07:07] <jaqkar_u> dabar: got disconnected - ppfft
[07:07] <cyphase> does anyone in san francisco know anything about the explosion that just happened?
[07:07] <jaqkar_u> dabar: how do i restart the dnsmasq
[07:07] <tgny> what explosion
[07:08] <dabar> jaqkar_u: you nick names are annoying:P anyhow, sudo invoke-rc.d dnsmasq restart
[07:08] <chicken_> dabar, yes i installed ubuntu as server
[07:08] <selinium_> any bluetooth wizards around?
[07:08] <John> Sorry, where is the archive modprobe.conf?
[07:08] <tgny> cyphase, what explosion. got a URL?
[07:08] <cyphase> no, it just happened
[07:08] <cyphase> a few minutes ago
[07:08] <tgny> how "big" and where?
[07:08] <cyphase> thought maybe someone in san francisco knows something
[07:08] <dabar> chicken_: sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop will install everything for you, I think, chicken_, IF YOU WANT GNOME, install kubuntu-desktop if yo uwant kde, ask me more if you want another WM/desktop env.
[07:09] <tgny> cyphase, how do you know about it?
[07:09] <cyphase> radio
[07:09] <dabar> cyphase: serious?
[07:09] <cyphase> yea
[07:09] <chicken_> dabar, Fluxbox ?
[07:09] <cyphase> 810AM on the west coast
[07:09] <Digital_Warrior0> what the fuck
[07:09] <dabar> chicken_: why that? slower comp?
[07:09] <tgny> cyphase, what exactly did they say?'
[07:09] <stizoner> installing another desktop when you have kde.. it will give you an option to choose at login right?
[07:10] <cyphase> explosion on pine and hurts, people being evacuated, that's about it
[07:10] <cyphase> hurst*
[07:10] <chicken_> dabar, yep, AMD-K6-2 550mhz 179mb RAM 4mb graphics chip
[07:10] <Digital_Warrior0> i have a tornado in wisconsin
[07:11] <jasoncohen> i just noticed that my amd 64 3000+ on my desktop is scaling back to 1 Ghz when it's idle and goes up to 2 only when it needs to. Does this have any impact on performance?
[07:11] <Arnia> cyphase: Nothing on news.bbc.co.uk
[07:11] <cyphase> Arnia, it just happened
[07:11] <cyphase> and bbc is a british news org anyway
[07:11] <cyphase> it'll get it soon though
[07:11] <cyphase> once more info is available
[07:11] <chriszanf> sorry to bug again - how do I add repositories when synaptic manager wont work - needc to add on shell
[07:12] <chicken_> dabar, so to install fluxbox with X i need to ...
[07:12] <Digital_Warrior0> cnn fox nbc abc cbs cant faind any thinghing about it
[07:12] <tgny> cyphase, i got people here with bloomberg news feeds they usually know shit first
[07:12] <dabar> chicken_: I think you need to install x-window-system
[07:12] <Arnia> cyphase: BBC normally have events like that in a couple of minutes
[07:12] <tgny> cyphase, i will ask around
[07:12] <chicken_> dabar, and how do i do that ?
[07:12] <dabar> sudo aptitude install installs stuff.
[07:13] <jasoncohen> how can cpu scaling be tunred off and is there any performance advantage to doing so? What's the point of lowering the CPU frequency on a desktop anyways?
[07:13] <jaqkar> dabar: ok nick is back to normal sry
[07:13] <dabar> kk, thats cool.
[07:13] <dabar> so fixed that static IP thing?
[07:13] <stizoner> jasoncohen, to keep your computer cool and reduce electricity costs jasoncohen
[07:13] <Digital_Warrior0> dam it all i am getting is tornados in wiscon
[07:13] <Concord_Dawn> anyone know a good bandwidth metering program for Ubuntu?
[07:13] <jaqkar> dabar: rebooting win machine to check
[07:13] <jasoncohen> stizoner, and does it affect performance?
[07:14] <thenuke> Concord_Dawn: yes, google.
[07:14] <benkong2> In an ftp server setup I have /home/ftp with an upload and download dir under that should dirs be chmod'ed to the user/group that proftpd runs under?
[07:14] <dabar> Digital_Warrior0: pasted that stuff from ifconfig?
[07:14] <dabar> ah, just did, eh.
[07:14] <dabar> :)
[07:14] <stizoner> no shouldnt
[07:14] <tgny> cyphase, nothing on bloomberg
[07:14] <digital_linux> dabar, i posted it in flood
[07:14] <digital_linux> had to take down eth0 even though i could ping out
[07:15] <stizoner> jasoncohen, http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_9485_9487%5E10272,00.html
[07:15] <jasoncohen> stizoner, so the delay when upping the cpu frequency should be small enough to have no impact on load speeds of progrsma for example?
[07:16] <jasoncohen> stizoner, thanks
[07:16] <dabar> digital_linux: remove the broadcast too.
[07:16] <stizoner> yeah shouldnt, people would have a fit if it did, would be all over hardware review sites... least thats how i look at it
[07:16] <digital_linux> from eth0
[07:16] <digital_linux> or ra0
[07:16] <dabar> eth0
[07:16] <jasoncohen> stizoner, thanks for the info
[07:17] <Gly> I saw the USN-170 before (rss-feed) and updated the kernel image. When I rebooted there was a passphrase prompt just after grub but before the usual boot process... I just hit enter and the computer booted as usual.. What was that?
[07:17] <jaqkar> dabar: win is not getting the .20 ip from ubuntu instead its getting .8
[07:17] <Gly> USN-169 I meant..
[07:17] <chriszanf> how do I add repositories on a shell? pacjkage manager doesnt want to work
[07:17] <codecaine> Anyone in here know why some clients of mine can't list directories on an ftp connection?
[07:18] <dabar> rooooot has landed.
[07:18] <cyphase> http://www.kgoam810.com/listenlive/listenlive.pls - will have info about the explosion in SF
[07:18] <alec> chriszanf: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:18] <digital_linux> hello
[07:18] <dabar> hi
[07:18] <zapada> does 5.04 have better 56k win modem support?
[07:18] <zapada> i cant get it to work!
[07:18] <chriszanf> ubotu: repos
[07:18] <ubotu> I guess repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[07:18] <dabar> no way it works?
[07:19] <zapada> ubotu: 56k
[07:19] <ubotu> zapada: What?
[07:19] <zapada> ubotu: dial up
[07:19] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, zapada
[07:19] <dabar> !msg the bot
[07:19] <chriszanf> thank Alec
[07:19] <zapada> !msg the bot
[07:19] <digital_linux> took then down brought them up had to take down eh0 again to connect to internet
[07:20] <zapada> ubotu is acting up
[07:20] <ubotu> Wish i knew, zapada
[07:20] <cyphase> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/baycitynews/archive/2005/08/19/explosion19.DTL
[07:20] <zapada> it should at least be able to tell if im talking to it or not
[07:20] <dabar> msg the bot is, like, totally, please message the bot in private, he accepts private messages from registered nicknames(/msg nickserv help register). In order for everyone to get better help, do not clutter the channel with many !commands, please. dont annoy dabaR
[07:20] <HappyFool> heh
[07:20] <chriszanf> dabar talks like a bot
[07:21] <dabar> I pasted that.
[07:21] <tenco> i cant log in to the wiki
[07:21] <jaqkar> dabar: hah
[07:21] <chriszanf> exactly!
[07:21] <chriszanf> ;)
[07:21] <tenco> i says "false password"
[07:21] <jaqkar> dabar: i fixed it
[07:21] <tenco> but i registered!
[07:21] <lee> what is the minimum recommended RAM/processofor running ubuntu? I notice the instlaler says 128MB is required, but I can't find a mention of a processor... I have a 600MHz/256MB RAM box that I'm wondering how it'd work on
[07:21] <dabar> jaqkar: so its the .20?
[07:21] <pestilence> does anybody know how to determine when an interface is ready after "ifconfig $if" ?
[07:21] <jaqkar> dabar: .20 wasnt in the range for dhcp my bad1
[07:21] <Belutz> !tell me about themes
[07:21] <dabar> digital_linux: so, again its not working. send me again the eth0 part of ifconfig
[07:21] <jaqkar> dabar: now its getting .20
[07:22] <tenco> i enter "tenco" and my password but the wik keeps complaining!!
[07:22] <tenco> s/wik/wiki
[07:22] <tenco> so, how can i log in???
[07:22] <Digital_Warrior0> asd
[07:22] <pestilence> err "ifconfig $if up"
[07:23] <root_> hello every body
[07:23] <tenco> noone using the wiki?
[07:23] <zapada> why doesnt ubuntu work with my 56k winmodem?
[07:23] <hardw1re> hi
[07:23] <tenco> why cant i login to the wiki?
[07:23] <thenuke> zapada: you just said it.. windows modem
[07:23] <codecaine> anyone here help me with directory listing problems with certain ftp programs/computers?
[07:23] <tenco> i registered with this launchpad thingy and now i cant log in
[07:23] <HappyFool> zapada: what model of modem is it?
[07:23] <digital_linux> did you get it
[07:23] <digital_linux> posted
[07:24] <zapada> its an AOpen
[07:24] <root_> i v been unable to get my canon XNUi255 to work in UBUNTU .... it used to work fine in FEDORA CORE 3
[07:24] <zapada> connexant chipset
[07:24] <pestilence> codecaine: be more specific
[07:24] <dabar> root_: dont use IRC as root.
[07:24] <jaqkar> dabar: whats next?
[07:24] <jaqkar> lol
[07:24] <tenco> i even resetted my password, typed it in correctly but i cant login! i just want to make an entry!!!
[07:24] <root_> and i m unable to get my onboard intel 865 video to work properly
[07:24] <zapada> UBUNTU!!!
[07:25] <dabar> jaqkar: you still cant get online with windows? also, dont laugh at others.
[07:25] <dabar> hah
[07:25] <jaqkar> :)
[07:25] <tenco> so how can i post entrys on the wiki?
[07:25] <jaqkar> dabar: im holding it in
[07:25] <tenco> this launchpad thingy doesnt work
[07:25] <jaqkar> dabar: windows cant get online
[07:25] <mohkohn> Anybody here experienced with ubuntu and debian? I am trying to install sarge on this hp 4918ea laptop...
[07:26] <dark^ngel> What good is a window that isn't open anyway?
[07:26] <HappyFool> zapada: been here? http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/ ? (note that you have to pay for the 'full' version of the drivers)
[07:26] <zapada> HappyFool: yes, i tried those, and they didnt work
[07:26] <zapada> i got my modem to dial, but after that, it would just disconnectg
[07:26] <chriszanf> ok - I edited apt-list and tried to install php4-mysql but it still says it cant find the package
[07:26] <mohkohn> Ubuntu went on no problem but I get these errors as in this post...http://www.debianhelp.org/module-pnForum-viewtopic-topic-9617.html
[07:26] <dabar> mohkohn: ask on #debian
[07:27] <Concord_Dawn> Anyone know a good bandwidth metering program?
[07:27] <dabar> if you awnt to know about debian, they know so much.
[07:27] <dabar> concord...
[07:27] <dabar> bandwidth to your router? to the first gateway? opn your network? to a porn site?
[07:27] <dabar> it will all vary.
[07:27] <mohkohn> I have been. Trying to figure out what is different. Its supposed to be the same installer in both.
[07:27] <zapada> to porn site
[07:27] <Concord_Dawn> dabar, I was thinking all bandwidth used on my computer
[07:28] <stizoner> zapada, do you use software to connect in windows or dialup networking?
[07:28] <mohkohn> I know a lot of ubuntu people work with both
[07:28] <Concord_Dawn> preferably broken down by user
[07:28] <dark^ngel> about that explosion in SF -- http://cbs5.com/topstories/local_story_231131708.html
[07:28] <dabar> Concord_Dawn: use a firewall.
[07:28] <tenco> ok. so no one knows how this damn wiki works.
[07:28] <dabar> like firestarter will be telling you that.
[07:28] <zapada> stizoner: no
[07:28] <dabar> I dont know. Also, I think you should think a little more about what you are exactly trying to see, so you can ask better. Concord_Dawn
[07:29] <dabar> tenco
[07:29] <dabar> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/tenco
[07:29] <Concord_Dawn> I'm trying to see how much data I transfer between this computer and any other machine
[07:29] <Digital_Warrior0> daar i did that but it is still there
[07:29] <tenco> dabar: ?
[07:29] <dabar> ya, and still no advancement in the field of science?
[07:29] <dabar> tenco click.
[07:29] <dabar> it will tell you more.
[07:30] <stizoner> some isps wont work with just username and pass (netzero), some require username@ sometimes.., if your getting dialtone id say that the modem is working fine, my guess
[07:30] <digital_linux> dabar i am going to bed i have to get some sleep i will be back up in 5 hrs
[07:30] <dabar> ya, I am leaving too.
[07:30] <dabar> good luck.
[07:30] <Digital_Warrior0> thanks
[07:30] <zapada> stizoner: i put in the same info that i do on my windows machine
[07:30] <jaqkar> dabar: /
[07:30] <dabar> welcome.
[07:30] <tenco> dabar: it only tells me sth about templates and that this site does not exist
[07:30] <dabar> and what do you want? you wanted a new page...to create, so create it.
[07:31] <jaqkar> dabar: what do i have to do now?
[07:31] <stizoner> zapada, no clue then, but if you got dialtone id say it isnt a driver issue, i may be wrong
[07:31] <eqlb> just a quick question about breezy badger, i am having a partition error come up when i tempt to install it
[07:31] <zapada> also, how come ubuntu takes so farkin long to load? xp takes me 5 seconds to load, while ubuntu almost a minute
[07:32] <dabar> jaqkar: you need to paste your /etc/network/interfaces
[07:32] <ctp> zapada, yeah but how long does it take in XP to login and load all the apps you use day-to-day
[07:32] <dark^ngel> zapada: have you disabled services you aren't using?
[07:32] <tenco> dabar: i wanted to edit a page, therefore i need to log in. i registered with launchpad, but the wiki refuses that that account name and password
[07:32] <jaqkar> /etc/network.interfaces
[07:32] <zapada> dark^ngel: no
[07:32] <dabar> well, did you reguister with the web site?
[07:32] <dabar> I dont know, tenco.
[07:32] <dabar> try registering again.
[07:33] <tenco> with launchpad, yes
[07:33] <dark^ngel> zapada: that will make significant difference
[07:33] <zapada> ctp: takes me 5 seconds for full bootup on xp, and installing apps is like seconds?
[07:33] <jaqkar> ok getting it
[07:33] <tenco> dabar: and i can log into launchpad
[07:33] <ctp> ok stick with XP then if you're happy with it
[07:33] <KaiL> Lathiat, so here..
[07:33] <Lathiat> KaiL: you could (yhou shouldnt, but can)
[07:33] <KaiL> you have an idea to stop that script? ;)
[07:33] <dabar> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/join_form
[07:33] <Hikaru79> Is anyone else having problems with planetmirror repositories?
[07:33] <leitao> have anyone listen about bad vga memory and kernel remmaping?
[07:33] <zapada> how do i prevent ubuntu from trying to syncronize with the ubuntu clock?
[07:33] <dabar> tenco: ^
[07:33] <Lathiat> KaiL: remove /lib/linux-restricted-modules/`uname -r`/nvidia
[07:33] <dabar> I need to go eat.
[07:33] <Lathiat> zapada: right click the clock and goto preferences, you can change it there
[07:33] <KaiL> ah, thanks
[07:34] <zapada> Lathiat: thanks
[07:34] <Lathiat> zapada: or on startup, update-rc.d -f remove ntpdate .
[07:34] <dabar> jaqkar: /join #flood
[07:34] <zapada> Lathiat: im a noob :)
[07:34] <dabar> jaqkar: in there.
[07:34] <jaqkar> dabar: http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/1395
[07:34] <Lathiat> zapada: err
[07:34] <Lathiat> zapada: sorry
[07:34] <dabar> jaqkar: even better.
[07:34] <Lathiat> zapada: update-rc.d -f ntpdate remove
[07:34] <tenco> dabar: ok, solved. the login mask is "name" & "password" but it needs "e-mail" & "password"
[07:34] <jaqkar> :)
[07:34] <dark^ngel> zapada: everyone is on their first days.
[07:35] <dabar> tenco: Ok, I am glad that worked dfor you.
[07:35] <dabar> I gotta go, jaqkar, sorry.
[07:35] <dabar> Ill send you an email if you want.
[07:35] <jaqkar> ok
[07:35] <dabar> pm me with it.l
[07:35] <dabar> /msg dabar
[07:35] <Hikaru79> Is anyone else having problems with planetmirror repositories?
[07:35] <eqlb> can some one suggest something about that or is it common, it comes up with a title of ??? ??? and it says continue and go back and if you select ether you can quickly get a glimps og unimplemented command
[07:36] <eqlb> for breezy badger before the partition
[07:36] <zapada> has anyone here gotten a win modem to work on ubuntu and actually connect?
[07:36] <dabar> ok later
[07:36] <HappyFool> i have a winmodem (not conexant); it's what i'm using right now
[07:36] <jaqkar> dabar: sent you pm :)
[07:37] <dark^ngel> zapada: the agere works questionably, but that's actually what I call a LinModem
[07:37] <dabar> ya, saw it.
[07:37] <jaqkar> :)
[07:38] <zwnj> i made a symlink of /etc/apache2/mods-available/php4.{conf,load} in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ and apache loads php ("PHP/4.3.10-10ubuntu4" in directory index), but i get source of php files yet (mediawiki's start page for example)
[07:38] <tamarack> hello
[07:38] <zapada> hey tamarack
[07:38] <tamarack> does anyone know how to make browser mode the default in nautilus?
[07:39] <tamarack> hi zapada
[07:39] <jbull> tamarack: its a gconf key somewhere
[07:39] <tamarack> yah, I'm trying to track it down
[07:39] <tamarack> looking through the forums right now
[07:40] <tamarack> I was hoping someone might be able to save me a little work ;-)
[07:40] <HappyFool> zwnj: hmm, i followed this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP and it 'just worked'
[07:40] <HappyFool> zwnj: i didn't have to create any symlinks, that i recall
[07:40] <Seveas> tamarack, in the options of nautilus :)
[07:40] <Seveas> tab behavior
[07:40] <Seveas> select 'always open in browser windows'
[07:40] <absinthe_> Could someone reccomend a linux painting program like Corel Painter?
[07:40] <tamarack> I must have missed it, just a sec
[07:41] <stizoner> tux paint
[07:41] <stizoner> jk lo
[07:41] <Seveas> absinthe_, gimp / inkscape are the de facto drawing programs
[07:41] <tamarack> ack, I must have looked right at it
[07:41] <tamarack> completely missed it
[07:41] <tamarack> thanks :)
[07:41] <zwnj> HappyFool: danke :)
[07:41] <absinthe_> Seveas, Can you digitally paint artwork?
[07:42] <HappyFool> zwnj: bitte -- i hope it works ;)
[07:42] <Seveas> absinthe_, I'm not an artist, I;m horrible at painting and related things :)
[07:42] <Seveas> (In fact all original images on my website are php scripts :))
[07:42] <absinthe_> Seveas, Thanks anyway. I'll check em out
[07:42] <tamarack> ahhhh, that is so much better
[07:42] <Hikaru79> Is anyone else having problems with planetmirror repositories?
[07:43] <riv> Question, what is the best driver for 'Intel 915GM'
[07:43] <Seveas> Hikaru79, they're not working
[07:43] <Seveas> try another mirror
[07:43] <Hikaru79> Seveas, oh, good. SO it's not just me.
[07:43] <Hikaru79> Seveas, which other mirror could I use for the backports?
[07:43] <Hikaru79> This is the only planetmirror repo I have: deb http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[07:43] <Hikaru79> What can I replace it by?
[07:44] <HappyFool> maybe the backports page has more
[07:44] <HappyFool> !backports
[07:44] <ubotu> backports are applications with newer versions on a stable distributions. Ubuntu backports can be found in the hoary-backports section
[07:44] <HappyFool> hrm
[07:44] <HappyFool> backports.ubuntuforums.org, i think
[07:44] <Hikaru79> Thanks, HappyFool :)
[07:44] <Seveas> !hoary-extras
[07:44] <ubotu> hmm... hoary-extras is see http://backports.ubuntuforums.org ; example hoary repo: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[07:44] <benkong2> hey folks uname -v just gives me this " #1 Fri Jun 24 18:51:20 UTC 2005" I thought that was the kernel version switch. How do I get kernel version
[07:45] <HappyFool> uname -r
[07:45] <benkong2> HappyFool; thanks
[07:45] <cartman> fonts fucked up for anyone with latest breezy ?
[07:45] <riv> what is the command to reconfigure my Xconf?
[07:46] <cartman> my fonts all went foobar after latest dist-upgrade
[07:46] <Seveas> riv, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:46] <riv> thanks sev
[07:47] <Seveas> cartman, read ubuntu-devel@lists when using breezy...
[07:47] <Seveas> this issue was in the notes
[07:47] <cartman> Seveas: I appreciate links
[07:47] <cartman> my eyes are dying
[07:47] <sockpuppe1> 'ol bill is working on his own flavour of linux
[07:48] <sockpuppe1> its called micrix
[07:48] <cartman> Seveas: any link ?
[07:48] <sockpuppe1> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4727267.stm
[07:48] <Seveas> cartman, searching...
[07:48] <cartman> Seveas: thanks
[07:48] <cartman> Seveas: fonts are too bad here so I can't really read
[07:49] <Seveas> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-August/009421.html
[07:49] <cartman> Seveas: xkb is not related to fonts
[07:49] <zenlunatic> how do i play dvds through vlc?
[07:49] <cartman> you know ...
[07:49] <Seveas> cartman, i know
[07:49] <Seveas> was the wrong link :)
[07:50] <Seveas> still looking
[07:50] <cartman> Seveas: ok :)
[07:50] <Seveas> but it's good to read that post too :)
[07:50] <Seveas> did you perhaps use a workaround to 'fix' the fonts issue earlier?
[07:50] <orangey> hey all!
[07:51] <orangey> I was wondering if there was a backported amarok 1.3 around..
[07:51] <cartman> Seveas: not really
[07:52] <Seveas> orangey, there is, but I forgot where :|
[07:52] <Seveas> look at the kanotix repositories, it might have been there
[07:52] <zenlunatic> how do you play dvds?
[07:52] <HappyFool> !restricted
[07:52] <ubotu> methinks restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:52] <HappyFool> zenlunatic: that page should tell you how to play dvds
[07:53] <Seveas> orangey, try: deb http://debian.tu-bs.de/project/kanotix/unstable/ /
[07:53] <ridiie> Hi, I am trying to install Ubuntu to my secondary HD... if I were to use the unbuntu ISO CD to boot at startup.. will it write anything to my primary HD?
[07:54] <dk156> noob here! :) I have to manually install the iptables for a firewall config - right?
[07:54] <Lathiat> ridiie: you wont be able to do that properly
[07:54] <Lathiat> ridiie: ubuntu's boot manager offers an option to start windows, however
[07:54] <ridiie> if I install Ubuntu I mean
[07:54] <apokryphos> It won't override windows, if that's what you mean
[07:54] <Lathiat> ridiie: or you could install the boot manager on your second hard drive and ask your bios to boot from that hard drive rahter than the first one (doesnt work on all computers)
[07:54] <apokryphos> if you choose to, it will install GRUB on the MBR
[07:54] <ridiie> oh
[07:54] <orangey> Seveas: that's a backport for hoary?
[07:54] <Lathiat> but yeh it'l have a windows option in its menu, and it will do that automagically
[07:55] <Lathiat> unlike windows it cares about what other operating systems you have :)
[07:55] <zenlunatic> HappyFool: oh there is no free software to do this so i will leave it undone
[07:55] <apokryphos> indeed
[07:55] <HappyFool> !firewall
[07:55] <ubotu> firewall is, like, Ubuntu has, like every other linux distribution, firewalling built into the kernel. A simple frontend to this firewall is firestarter.
[07:55] <ridiie> yeah, I hate windows
[07:55] <HappyFool> zenlunatic: the software is free as in gratis
[07:55] <ridiie> its like heroin, hate using it.. but gotta use it
[07:55] <dk156> thanx bot
[07:56] <orangey> ridiie: gotta for what?
[07:56] <vagamente> i just got mplayer "freezed"... how can i "kill" it?????????'
[07:56] <Seveas> orangey, I bet you can make it work on hoary
[07:56] <ridiie> msoffice
[07:56] <ridiie> work related stuff
[07:56] <Seveas> vagamente, pkill -KILL mplayer
[07:56] <orangey> Seveas: I don't wanna spend too much time making ti work..
[07:57] <Seveas> orangey, quick recipe: add the deb-src url, apt-get source it, apt-get build-dep amarok, cd into the sourcedir, dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[07:57] <a1zi> is there an irc channel for 1994-1998 mustangs?
[07:57] <Hoxzer> how can I write url in w3m?
[07:57] <Seveas> a1zi, probably not on this server :)
[07:57] <riv> how do I check for new video drivers?
[07:57] <a1zi> Seveas, how do i get to one?
[07:57] <orangey> Seveas: yeah, but I don't particularly want it to update everything else in its rep.
[07:57] <Seveas> a1zi, I have no idea at all
[07:58] <a1zi> Seveas, ok thanks
[07:58] <Seveas> orangey, if you add only the deb-src url, nothing from that repository will be used in updates
[07:58] <riv> Are there new video drivers in universe that aren't part of core?
[07:58] <HappyFool> Hoxzer: type 'g'
[07:58] <vagamente> Seveas: THANX A LOT!!!
[07:58] <HappyFool> Hoxzer: err. that's using w3m in emacs
[07:59] <ridiie> ok, basically I need to know if I use the Ubuntu ISO disk to boot.. will it give me an option to install the OS to a partician in my secondary HD? and I have several particians on my first HD.. will it affect data in those particians in any way?
[07:59] <dark^ngel> alzi: you could /j #mustangs_older and start your own ;)
[08:00] <chicken_> woohoo i got Fluxbox running :D
[08:00] <HappyFool> Hoxzer: type 'H' for help
[08:01] <Flonne> ridiie, the installer will let you specify any partitions you want.
[08:01] <Flonne> ridiie, just make sure you opt to manually edit the partition table when prompted. The installer will confirm any choices you make before actually doing anything.
[08:01] <Davey> chicken_, great, now you know how much it sucks you can go back to Gnome :D
[08:02] <ridiie> I have already created the partician in my secondary HD.. using Partician Magic.. its a linux-ext3
[08:02] <chicken_> Davey, Gnome sucks thats why i done a server install so i don;t have to look at Gnome
[08:02] <anna> hello. i have a question about the ubuntu hoary disk
[08:02] <ridiie> or Partition Magic rather
[08:02] <Davey> chicken_, heh
[08:02] <Davey> chicken_, why not just go with another distro?
[08:03] <anna> there are three kernel options... linux-386, something else, and linux-386-2.6.10.5... (or something like that).
[08:03] <Flonne> ridiie, just write down your second HDD's partition table. The installer will refer to it as hdb.
[08:03] <anna> and i'm wondering if anyone knows what kernel the basic "386" version is using?
[08:03] <Flonne> ridiie, also, make sure you've got a partition to use as swap.
[08:03] <Seveas> anna, linux-386 is the way to go
[08:03] <Seveas> basically they all install the same
[08:03] <anna> instead of the 2.6.10?
[08:04] <Seveas> but linux-386 is a package to keep your kernel current
[08:04] <anna> how come the 386 doesn't mention what kernel it's using?
[08:04] <anna> oh.
[08:04] <Flonne> anna, linux-<arch> is just a metapackage used to point to the most recentversion at all times.
[08:04] <anna> okay. thanks.
[08:04] <Seveas> linux-386 installs linux-2.6.10-5-386
[08:04] <Seveas> but if 2.6.12 comes available it will be upgraded
[08:04] <chicken_> Davey, I like ubuntu
[08:04] <Seveas> without linux-386 that eould not happen
[08:05] <anna> aha!
[08:05] <anna> great! thanks for the info.
[08:05] <chicken_> Davey, just not gnome or KDE i like Fluxbox because it's small and runs well on my slow computer
[08:05] <Seveas> orangey, still here?
[08:05] <anna> i wish it had been a bit more clear on that...
[08:05] <zwnj> my LAMP works well, but i php doesn't work on directory index file (i.e. it works for wiki/index.php but doesn't work for wiki/ ) what's the problem?
[08:05] <HappyFool> linux-386 also depends on the -restricted-modules package, which is helpful
[08:05] <ridiie> thanx Flonne.. btw... how do I "write" down the partition table?
[08:06] <riv> where is the wiki for adding universe to apt-get
[08:06] <Concord_Dawn> How can I set the $PATH variable?
[08:06] <HappyFool> zwnj: maybe tell apache to use index.php as the 'root' or 'default' file? i think it's usually index.html
[08:06] <Seveas> zwnj, add index.php to the DirectoryIndex directive (should be there though)
[08:06] <Flonne> ridiie, just look at it in your partition editor and write it down on a piece of paper. It'll help to have a list.
[08:06] <HappyFool> !repos
[08:06] <ubotu> repos is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[08:06] <Seveas> zwnj, or look for other index.* files linke index.html
[08:06] <pax> actually a kernel security update just hit the streets 30 minutes ago, you want 2.6.10-34.4
[08:06] <riv> thank you!
[08:07] <anna> ridiie, i do that too. i have a notebook where i write all that sort of thing down.
[08:07] <Concord_Dawn> Seveas, how can I set $PATH?
[08:07] <zwnj> Seveas, HappyFool: it get index.php to me, but doesn't run php on it
[08:07] <Flonne> ridiie, "1: ext-3 (root), 2: reiserfs (data), 3: swap" or something.
[08:07] <Seveas> Concord_Dawn, export PATH=/something/to/add:$PATH
[08:07] <Seveas> zwnj, ah, you installed libapache2-mod-php4?
[08:07] <Concord_Dawn> so if I wanted to clear the $PATH, I'd do export PATH=:$PATH
[08:07] <zwnj> Seveas: yep
[08:08] <Concord_Dawn> Seveas, that right?
[08:08] <dabar> jaqkar: still here?
[08:08] <Seveas> zwnj, sudo a2enmod php
[08:08] <jaqkar> dabar: indeed
[08:08] <Seveas> zwnj, sudo a2enmod php4
[08:08] <zwnj> apache runs php4 on index.php or any other .php file, but doesn't do that for index files...
[08:08] <Seveas> hmm
[08:08] <Concord_Dawn> nvm Seveas
[08:08] <chicken_> I love apache :P
[08:08] <Concord_Dawn> got it to work.
[08:09] <Seveas> Concord_Dawn, clearing the path is a BAD idea
[08:09] <zwnj> Seveas: php in enabled
[08:09] <Concord_Dawn> Seveas, I'm not clearing it on my user.
[08:09] <anna> thanks folks! i really like ubuntu. i'm even liking Gnome!
[08:09] <dabar> jaqkar: cool. try this. backup your current interfaces file by doing sudo cp /etc/network/interfaces /etc/network/interfaces_backup
[08:09] <anna> i used to prefer KDE but i've been really enjoying the new gnome
[08:09] <benplaut> !dev
[08:09] <ubotu> No idea, benplaut
[08:09] <benplaut> grr
[08:09] <dabar> then edit your interfaces to be http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/1396 .
[08:10] <Kyral> GNOME 2.12 == teh sexy
[08:10] <chicken_> is there some thing that lets people connect to my computer with telnet and login as i don't like SSH
[08:10] <dabar> benplaut: is your nick registered?
[08:10] <benplaut> gnome 2.11.90= the r0xors
[08:10] <benplaut> dabar: it should be...
[08:10] <benplaut> yup, it is
[08:11] <Concord_Dawn> gnome is win
[08:11] <Kyral> GO GTK ATTACK!
[08:11] <Seveas> !start a desktop war
[08:11] <ubotu> e is much better than kde!
[08:11] <benplaut> just started with breezy last night :)
[08:11] <Kyral> lol
[08:11] <anna> and i've totally fallen in love with symantic package manager
[08:11] <Concord_Dawn> chicken_, telnet is insecure.
[08:11] <Flonne> Synaptic*
[08:11] <aru> Seveas: that was great :)
[08:11] <riv> where is the get-apt config file stored?
[08:11] <Concord_Dawn> !init
[08:11] <jaqkar> dabar: done
[08:11] <ubotu> Concord_Dawn: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[08:11] <dabar> ok, benplaut, since you have been here for soooo long in the channel, and I always get annoyed with your attempts at talking to the bot in the channel: Please msg the bot. /msg ubotu whateveryuowanttoaskorfindoutwhetherafactoidexists
[08:11] <benplaut> riv: for what kind of config?
[08:11] <riv> I want to add universe
[08:11] <benplaut> dabar: soorry
[08:12] <riv> and I can't get into X
[08:12] <dabar> thats cool, just please do that.
[08:12] <Flonne> riv, you can add that through Synaptic.
[08:12] <Kyral> Is there a way to download all the packages you have installed on your system so you can burn them on a DVD?
[08:12] <Flonne> Ah.
[08:12] <chicken_> Concord_Dawn, i know but i don't like SSH
[08:12] <Concord_Dawn> well
[08:12] <Flonne> riv, /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:12] <HappyFool> chicken_: 'apt-cache search telnetd'
[08:12] <HappyFool> !repos
[08:12] <ubotu> it has been said that repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[08:12] <anna> make sure you run synaptic as a user who has su privileges
[08:12] <riv> thanlk flonne
[08:12] <Flonne> riv, remember to run 'apt-get update' or 'aptitude update' after editing the file.
[08:12] <HappyFool> riv: the second list should have a complete version of /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:12] <HappyFool> second link, even
[08:13] <Concord_Dawn> Seveas, how can I start the sshd after it's crashed?
[08:13] <dabar> jaqkar: once you have that done. sudo ifdown eth0, then sudo ifup eth0, and then try getting a new IP in windows, and pinging www.google.com in a dos screen, ping www.google.com will do that.
[08:13] <dabar> save and exit out the file, off course.
[08:13] <Seveas> Concord_Dawn, /etc/init.d/ssh start
[08:13] <Kyral> note to self: Don't cat a binary file
[08:14] <jaqkar> dabar: oki brb
[08:14] <Concord_Dawn> thanks Seveas
[08:14] <dabar> k
[08:14] <chicken_> Kyral, LOL
[08:14] <jaqkar> dabar: does ipmasq need to be running
[08:14] <dark^ngel> LOL@Kyral
[08:14] <Kyral> but seriously, is there a way to download all the debs for the packages on my system?
[08:14] <Concord_Dawn> what's that do Kyral?
[08:14] <jaqkar> dabar: i was just cheking it out and then stopped it. ipmasq that it
[08:15] <Flonne> Kyral, do you just want to fetch everything you've got installed?
[08:15] <dabar> I am not sure what you want to say.
[08:15] <Kyral> Flonne, yah, the debs
[08:15] <Kyral> so I can burn them to a DVD
[08:15] <Concord_Dawn> apt-get <package>
[08:15] <Concord_Dawn> no install.
[08:15] <Concord_Dawn> afaik that should just place the .deb on your HDD.
[08:16] <Concord_Dawn> ARGH
[08:16] <Kyral> yah, but....wait...
[08:16] <Concord_Dawn> this server traceroutes me! =\
[08:16] <dark^ngel> apt-get instal -d <package_name>
[08:16] <Kyral> how do I grep all the packages that I have installed?
[08:16] <dark^ngel> errr
[08:16] <dark^ngel> apt-get install -d <package_name>
[08:16] <Kyral> I know there is a way
[08:17] <Concord_Dawn> dark^ngel, he's talking about a way to get a list of all installed packages.
[08:17] <jaqkar> dabar: i stopped ipmasq
[08:17] <Seveas> Kyral, dpkg --get-selections | grep -v deinstall
[08:17] <jaqkar> dabar: does it need to run
[08:17] <dark^ngel> ls /var/cache/apt
[08:17] <Kyral> Seveas, what does that do again?
[08:17] <Kyral> lol
[08:17] <JHK> Kernel Panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[08:18] <JHK> after a kernel update i recieved this
[08:18] <Kyral> wee
[08:18] <Seveas> Kyral, it displays the list of installed packages
[08:18] <dabar> yes
[08:18] <Kyral> now I just have to pipe that into a text file
[08:18] <dabar> sudo invoke-rc.d ipmasq start
[08:18] <Kyral> so
[08:18] <Kyral> dpkg --get-selections | grep -v deinstall >> packagelist
[08:18] <anna> okay - i have one more silly question...
[08:18] <aru> System > Administration > Synaptic - then click Status and installed... that will show you all installed packages
[08:19] <dabar> yay, silly quesgtion
[08:19] <Seveas> and on another pc: dpkg --set-selections < packagelist
[08:19] <Kyral> Seveas, I'm just gonna fetch the packages :D
[08:19] <anna> if i installed the 2.10.5.... instead of just the default linux-386, can i fix it without re-doing the entire install?
[08:19] <Kyral> and burn them on a CD
[08:19] <riv> will video drivers for X be something I can get through get-apt?
[08:19] <dark^ngel> Synaptic? What's that?
[08:19] <anna> synaptic package manager rocks!
[08:19] <chicken_> aptitude is soooo much better than synaptic :P
[08:19] <aru> !Synaptic
[08:19] <ubotu> rumour has it, synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[08:20] <Kyral> Whenever I need to restore from backup I will put the DVD in the drive, cd to it, and do a dpkg -i *.deb :D
[08:20] <dark^ngel> Oh ... we speak GUI here?
[08:20] <anna> some of us do
[08:20] <dabar> ya
[08:20] <Flonne> Kryal, gimme a moment to test something.
[08:20] <riv> I would nove to use Synamptic if I could get startx to work.
[08:20] <anna> i do both gui and command line... depending.
[08:20] <chicken_> !aptitude
[08:20] <ubotu> Wish i knew, chicken_
[08:20] <chicken_> damn silly bot
[08:20] <Kyral> pure apt > all
[08:20] <riv> lol
[08:20] <Kyral> no wait
[08:20] <anna> riv, have you tried CTRL ALT F7?
[08:20] <dark^ngel> Yeh, pax, I'm using GUI
[08:20] <riv> yes
[08:20] <Kyral> Apt + Bash Aliases > ALL
[08:20] <dabar> haha, chicken_...there is your sooo myuch better.
[08:21] <riv> anna: I have and the screen is just black.
[08:21] <anna> i was having troulbe with it not going to the x window... but that did it.
[08:21] <anna> oh. oh well.
[08:21] <riv> it's a video driver problem
[08:21] <dark^ngel> This is only my second day with rodent-in-command
[08:21] <riv> need to find the driver ...
[08:21] <chicken_> any one know a good file browser that don't need Gnome or KDE ?
[08:21] <anna> riv: icky. sorry to hear that.
[08:21] <riv> !drivers
[08:21] <ubotu> [drivers] https://wiki.ubuntu.com//BinaryDriverHowto
[08:22] <riv> !video drivers
[08:22] <ubotu> riv: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[08:22] <funkyHat> chicken_, what WM are you using?
[08:22] <dabar> !msg the bot
[08:22] <ubotu> hmm... msg the bot is please message the bot in private, he accepts private messages from registered nicknames(/msg nickserv help register). In order for everyone to get better help, do not clutter the channel with many !commands, please. dont annoy dabaR
[08:22] <chicken_> funkyHat, errrm fluxbox
[08:22] <riv> roger that dabar
[08:23] <zerboxx> chicken_: You can still use nautilus (found that out myself) by using nautlius --no-desktop
[08:23] <_rolando> how come mplayer isnt in any reposotiry?
[08:23] <anna> so - anyone know if i can get the automagical updating linux-386 on my system without overwriting everything?
[08:23] <chicken_> funkyHat, but i don't have Gnome installed :-P
[08:23] <_rolando> no se
[08:24] <Seveas> _rolando, it's in multivere
[08:24] <dark^ngel> bbiab
[08:24] <Seveas> chicken_, this is not the place for desktop wars...
[08:24] <funkyHat> chicken_, firefox doesn't seem to depend on gnome
[08:24] <_rolando> Seveas: but ive selected all from synaptic
[08:24] <Seveas> _rolando, by default it's not in sources.list
[08:24] <zerboxx> chicken_: Ah well in that case, rox is a good choice, I had that before I found I could still use nautilus
[08:24] <Seveas> !repos
[08:24] <ubotu> from memory, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[08:24] <Seveas> ^-- _rolando
[08:24] <Flonne> Kyral, aptitude download `dpkg --get-selections | awk '{if ($2=="install"){print $1}}'` should do it.
[08:24] <apjone> hey ppl
[08:25] <anna> i'm currently installing ubunt on my DH's new laptop. but i already have it installed on mine
[08:25] <_rolando> ok thanx
[08:25] <Seveas> Flonne, grep -v deinstall
[08:25] <Seveas> :)
[08:25] <anna> and i want to fix it to the "linux-386" kernel
[08:25] <HappyFool> Seveas: how about adding '## this file is /etc/apt/sources.list' to the top of http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 ?
[08:25] <jaqkar> dabar: windows got the ip, but i cannot ping anything
[08:25] <anna> cuz when i did it, i selected the linux-386-2.10.5....
[08:26] <benplaut> where are cursors stored?
[08:26] <Flonne> I forgot about -v... but you;d still need to filter the columns.
[08:26] <dabar> jaqkar: and you sudo ifdown eth0 and then up?
[08:26] <_rolando> no se
[08:26] <jaqkar> yes
[08:26] <HappyFool> anna: you can just install the linux-386 package; it should be on the CD, or you can install it from the internet
[08:26] <apjone> any one know of a gud vpn client?
[08:27] <Seveas> Flonne, cut -f 1 -d ' '
[08:27] <dabar> jaqkar: tell me the 3 IPs again for the windows, linux, and router.
[08:27] <anna> HappyFool: so it should be on symantic?
[08:27] <Seveas> but dpkg --set-selections wants the complete output :)
[08:27] <setite> au revoir my friends... i will be going back to windows
[08:27] <HappyFool> anna: in synaptic, yes
[08:27] <Flonne> I like awk. =P
[08:27] <anna> i see "autoinstall-i386" as well as "linux-386"
[08:27] <jaqkar> dabar: router>192.168.1.1 win>192.168.1.20 ubuntu>192.168.1.3
[08:28] <anna> which one do i want? (or both?)
[08:28] <dabar> aha
[08:28] <HappyFool> anna: i don't know what autoinstall-386 is.
[08:28] <Seveas> !info autoinstall-i386
[08:28] <ubotu> autoinstall-i386: (Debian auto-installation system - i386-specific files), section universe/admin, is extra. Version: 1.13 (hoary), Packaged size: 948 kB, Installed size: 1036 kB
[08:28] <anna> okay. i'm just going with the linux-386 one...
[08:28] <Seveas> it's something completely different :)
[08:28] <dabar> and your /etc/network/interfaces looks like what? paste, please.
[08:28] <HappyFool> anna: i don't think you need it
[08:28] <Flonne> Seveas, I've been using awk for the past six years. Its not an easy habit to break. :)
[08:28] <Flonne> It's*
[08:28] <Arnia> Ok. I have just installed Breezy so I can begin moving my code to some new APIs. However, many library -dev versions threaten to remove ubuntu-desktop when I mark them. What's up with that?
[08:28] <anna> okay. np. thanks folks.
[08:29] <mz2> is there some clean way of changing things in /etc/alternatives except for changing symlinks by myself?
[08:29] <anna> oh - one more question...
[08:29] <jmhodges> anyone gotten one of the WEP-able ipw2100 drivers to build?
[08:29] <apjone> hi does any one know of a good vpn client
[08:29] <jmhodges> i'm getting make errors that does not actually give any reasons
[08:29] <anna> if i downloaded everything to the hard drive (as suggested during the install) why do i have to put in the disk?
[08:29] <Kyral> hmm
[08:30] <jmhodges> i'm following the ipw2200+WPA HOWTO
[08:30] <jaqkar> dabar: http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/1398
[08:30] <apjone> anna , so u dont have to d/l it again
[08:30] <jmhodges> er.. i meant WPA-able ipw2100
[08:30] <Kyral> how would I take a list that is separated by lines
[08:30] <dabar> you didnt change it at all.
[08:30] <Kyral> and replace the line breaks with spaces
[08:30] <anna> i already d/l it. why can't i just use the d/l version?
[08:30] <dabar> we need it different.
[08:30] <HappyFool> anna: i think if it's on the CD, maybe it uses different rules
[08:30] <Flonne> Kyral, sed should be able to do that.
[08:30] <HappyFool> anna: but i'm not sure
[08:30] <dabar> ill prepare one for you.
[08:30] <Kyral> Note to self, learn to use sed and grep
[08:30] <dabar> have you backed this one up, jaqkar?
[08:30] <jaqkar> dabar: change what?
[08:30] <dabar> the interfaces file.
[08:31] <jaqkar> dabar: yes as you said
[08:31] <chicken_> i need a file browser with a GUI
[08:31] <jaqkar> dabar: no i didnt change it
[08:31] <Kyral> chicken_, Nautilus
[08:31] <jaqkar> dabar: what do i need to change in it?
[08:31] <Concord_Dawn> if I have chroot'd a user, and I symlink to a directory (say /var/www), will that user be able to access that directory or will it just return a 'no such directory' error?
[08:32] <_rolando> ok i dont want to edit any file, i just want to add them with synaptic, is there anywhere explaining that?
[08:32] <dabar> jaqkar: sudo cp /etc/network/interfaces /etc/network/interfaces_works
[08:32] <apjone> Dawn sud work
[08:32] <Kyral> Flonne, I don't know how to work sed :(
[08:32] <chicken_> can i some thing thats not Gnome please
[08:32] <dabar> jaqkar: make your interfaces as so then: http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/1399 .
[08:32] <_rolando> what does universe multiverse mean?
[08:32] <Concord_Dawn> apjone, please use proper english next time, I almost thought you weren't talking to me :-
[08:32] <Concord_Dawn> :-P*
[08:32] <jaqkar> dabar: i already made a backup
[08:32] <dabar> hey
[08:32] <_rolando> those cant be part of the url
[08:32] <dabar> jaqkar: not as shown in that pastebin exactly.
[08:32] <Concord_Dawn> _rolando, that's the name of the repository.
[08:33] <dabar> change the broadcast to 1.255, instead of 0.255
[08:33] <chicken_> i need a file browser thats not KDE or Gnome
[08:33] <dabar> then down, up, try again.
[08:33] <HappyFool> chicken_: mc
[08:33] <apjone> sorry Concord , i do everything short hand
[08:33] <_rolando> Concord_Dawn: what if it has both:universe multiverse?
[08:33] <mz2> oh right, an answer to my own question is update-alternatives
[08:34] <mz2> man -k is my friend :)
[08:34] <HappyFool> universe and multiverse are distinct; universe contains free software not supported by ubuntu; multiverse contains 'non-free' (ito licensing) software also not supported
[08:34] <chicken_> HappyFool, errrm ?
[08:34] <jedix> does anyone know of a howto to get 32bit games running on a 64bit ubuntu?
[08:34] <xiximkopp> hello, i have some problems with international keys (in X) with Breezy
[08:34] <HappyFool> !info mc
[08:34] <ubotu> mc: (Midnight Commander - a powerful file manager), section universe/utils, is optional. Version: 1:4.6.0-4.6.1-pre1-3ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 1912 kB, Installed size: 5340 kB
[08:34] <_rolando> ok
[08:34] <mz2> i wonder if there's a way to get rid of the "Translate this application..." menu item in all apps
[08:35] <setite> jedix yea
[08:35] <HappyFool> mc is text mode, but you might like it
[08:35] <jedix> setite: is it best to just reinstall ubuntu32? I'm planning to buy HL2 today, and transgaming
[08:35] <jaqkar> dabar: oki done and if down/up
[08:35] <xiximkopp> i'm not sure if i did something wrong or not... is xkb curently broken??
[08:35] <jedix> setite: have a url for the howto?
[08:35] <dabar> good
[08:35] <dabar> try getting a new IP, and then pinging.
[08:36] <Seveas> xiximkopp, http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-August/009421.html
[08:36] <dark^ngel> are there any openssl gurus here?
[08:36] <jaqkar> dabar: just did a release and renew, ping doesnt work
[08:36] <faen> dark^ngel, not really but whats up?
[08:36] <anna> um. where should i point apt to use the ubuntu archive?
[08:37] <Seveas> dark^ngel, I know a bit about it
[08:37] <HappyFool> !repos
[08:37] <ubotu> [repos] at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[08:37] <dark^ngel> I can get my self-signed certs to work from apache2 script, but I'm trying to establish as a root CA
[08:37] <anna> i'm installing on my sweetie's machine
[08:37] <HappyFool> anna: read the links ubotu just posted
[08:37] <anna> great
[08:37] <anna> thanks
[08:37] <dark^ngel> the root CA gives everything but Lynx a bad case of diarrhea
[08:37] <riv> how do I use apt-get to find new video drivers?
[08:37] <xiximkopp> Seveas, thank you very much!
[08:38] <faen> dark^ngel, do you have openssl-devel?
[08:38] <jedix> you still there?
[08:38] <setite> jedix: took me awhile to find it
[08:38] <setite> jedix: http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu
[08:38] <darkheart> faen sudo seems to have some issues with echo
[08:38] <jedix> setite: thanks
[08:38] <Seveas> dark^ngel, http://www.modssl.org/docs/2.8/ssl_faq.html#ToC29
[08:38] <dark^ngel> no, do I need devel to do the root cert?
[08:38] <setite> good luck with it
[08:38] <setite> im done with ubuntu
[08:38] <anabatic> does the same here faen just need to manually sudo it and all is fine
[08:38] <Seveas> dark^ngel, no you don't
[08:38] <faen> dark^ngel, I would imagine so
[08:38] <Seveas> you just need the openssl package
[08:38] <setite> just not worth it... at least not for what i need
[08:38] <dabar> jaqkar: Im gonna think on it for a while.
[08:39] <_rolando> what i want is nested menus
[08:39] <dark^ngel> I get replies that say first certificate is not locatable
[08:39] <jaqkar> dabar: did i need to do anything with ipmasq?
[08:39] <_rolando> how can i have that?
[08:39] <faen> anabatic, what is the other method?
[08:39] <dabar> did you start it?
[08:39] <Seveas> dark^ngel, read that faqpage I gave you
[08:39] <HappyFool> faen: i think you can try 'echo <blah> | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list"
[08:39] <faen> err, syntax
[08:39] <Seveas> ik explains it all
[08:39] <xiximkopp> i'm gonna check if it worked
[08:39] <xsadikx> hi!
[08:39] <faen> HappyFool, thanks, will give it a shot
[08:39] <HappyFool> riv: what video driver are you looking for?
[08:40] <dabar> jaqkar: did you start it?
[08:40] <jaqkar> dabar: yes its started
[08:40] <dark^ngel> Seveas: I'm wading
[08:40] <xsadikx> i just installed Skype and it works great but the gui is pretty fudged up.. bold letters and stuff and the windows moves pretty slow.. am i missing something?
[08:42] <faen> odd
[08:42] <faen> have any of you added nooms repository?
[08:42] <mz2> xsadikx, install qtconfig, kcontrol and some nice kde themes (such as lipstik) and then change the theme in qtconfig to that. alternatively just do sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop to get all of KDE. Skype uses QT as its UI toolkit
[08:42] <dark^ngel> Seveas: I created a script, previously that automates all of those steps. The certs are created, but none of the clients are given an opportunity to accept my server's reply
[08:42] <gmoore> mz2, if you get kubuntu can you switch back and forth between gnome and kde
[08:42] <Velox> Hullo, I'm having trouble getting Ubuntu to load after install...basically what I'm doing is dual-booting my system with two HDDs, a 120gb SATA drive which is Windows/NTFS which I don't touch. The other a 40gb IDE drive which I installed Ubuntu onto. When the install was complete I installed GRUB to the MBR, then in my bios I switched my primary drive to the 40gb drive so that it would use GRUB as the bootloader, however it just sits there with a blink
[08:42] <dabar> well... sudo gedit /etc/ipmasq/rules/Z99dhcpd.rul and paste this into it. http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/1400
[08:42] <xsadikx> ok mz2
[08:43] <mz2> gmoore, yes, and as far as i remember it doesn't change your default environment
[08:43] <jedix> setite: do you know how to get doom3 to run on amd64?
[08:43] <anna> okay folks - i'm outta here. thanks a bunch!
[08:43] <ninjafish> hi, can anyone reccomend a decent 20gig+ portable mp3 player that I can use with linux (i.e. no silly drivers needed, just appears as a hard drive)
[08:43] <darkheart> Velox Any text appear?
[08:43] <chicken_> what is the mozilla firefox package name ?
[08:43] <HappyFool> Velox: you probably need to reinstall grub; grub is probably looking on the 'second' hard-drive for boot info
[08:43] <jedix> chicken_: apt-cache search firefox
[08:43] <Velox> darkheart: No, just a blinking underscore.
[08:44] <HappyFool> Velox: but you changed the driver ordering, i guess, by changing bios settings
[08:44] <dabar> jaqkar: ^ save it close it, restart ipmasq, and then try again.
[08:44] <Velox> HappyFool: I installed GRUB to the second drive's MBR then switched the BIOS boot drive to the second drive so it would load GRUB
[08:44] <darkheart> Velox If you wrote GRUB to the MBR when you installed it, it's gonna be on the other HDD isn't it? Why did you change? Only other thing I can think of is check the jumper settings on your IDE drive.
[08:44] <xiximkopp> wow! the @, ?, ~, | and the umlauts work again! it was quite nerve-racking to fire up gucharmap every time i needed an @. thanks agai
[08:45] <xiximkopp> n
[08:45] <HappyFool> Velox: i'm guessing grub thinks the drive it's on is "hd0", but has been installed to look on hd1 for it's boot info (menu.lst etc)
[08:45] <setite> how do i kill the ubuntu firewall
[08:45] <faen> drats
[08:45] <Velox> Hmm...I posted my menu.lst in the pastebin.
[08:45] <aru> setite: use a knife...
[08:45] <setite> jedix: not sure... google it.. im sure there is a tutorial
[08:45] <jedix> does anyone know how to get doom3 to run on 64bit ubuntu?
[08:45] <jedix> setite: okay
[08:46] <HappyFool> Velox: if i'm right, grub can't find that file
[08:46] <setite> seriously i need to figure it out... azureus functions bad
[08:46] <dabar> aru:)
[08:46] <aru> sorry, I couldn't resist :)
[08:46] <dabar> setite: what firewall did you install?
[08:46] <mz2> is there a keyb shortcut for opening the next level in the flashy new list view in Nautilus
[08:46] <setite> none.. but i heard in here that ubuntu has some sort of firewall like thing installed
[08:46] <benplaut> mz2: i think it's ctrl+click
[08:46] <setite> i want to be open like an amsterdam prostitute... no limits
[08:47] <benplaut> or some modifier+click
[08:47] <aru> hah
[08:47] <mz2> as in ctrl+click or so on the folder (none of the obvious ctrl, alt, or shift seem to do it)
[08:47] <Velox> HappyFool: should I install GRUB to a floppy, then update the menu.lst to read hd1 after I get in Ubuntu?
[08:47] <darkheart> setite Yeah, it's built into the kernel and it's called 'iptables' Try 'iptables --flush' to remove all the rules.
[08:47] <mz2> benplaut, nope
[08:47] <dabar> setite: it is open, then.
[08:47] <HappyFool> Velox: well, no just that; you also need to run 'grub-install' somehow
[08:47] <mz2> i meant in the similar way as if i clicked on the arrow on the left to sort of open it up in the same view without actually "going" to the folder
[08:47] <HappyFool> !grub
[08:47] <ubotu> hmm... grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[08:47] <HappyFool> Velox: those links might help a bit
[08:47] <anabatic> anyone know of a newsreader with .nzb support for ubuntu ?
[08:47] <jaqkar> dabar: tried it, still cant ping
[08:47] <setite> ok because when i run azureus i get uPnP error and something else... and a listen of 6881 had a NAT error
[08:48] <dabar> can you ping the ubuntu box?
[08:48] <riv> Video Drivers.
[08:48] <riv> for laptops
[08:48] <Velox> I'll take a look. Ubuntu install detected my SATA drive however...
[08:48] <jaqkar> dabar: yes
[08:48] <HappyFool> !ati
[08:48] <ubotu> [ati] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[08:48] <HappyFool> !nvidia
[08:48] <ubotu> rumour has it, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or quick optimizations https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia?highlight=%28nvidia%29
[08:48] <riv> !intel
[08:48] <ubotu> riv: Are you on ritalin?
[08:49] <riv> yes
[08:49] <HappyFool> riv: you can look at those links for nvidia/ati; i'm don't know what you can do for other hardware
[08:49] <riv> actually I am
[08:49] <aru> heh
[08:49] <dabar> jaqkar: oh, wow...
[08:49] <dabar> you can ping ubuntu from the windows?
[08:49] <jaqkar> dabar: ?
[08:50] <wickers> How's everyone today?
[08:50] <dabar> ping 192.168.1.3 works on windows?
[08:50] <riv> Sigh. Are people answering my question and I'm just not getting it or is it that no one knows the answer?
[08:50] <jaqkar> dabar: yes i can and the router
[08:50] <gmoore> dabar: yes
[08:50] <dabar> gmoore: no.
[08:50] <jaqkar> dabar: yes it does
[08:50] <Seveas> riv, what's the question?
[08:50] <gmoore> dabar: butts
[08:50] <riv> I can't get into xwindows on my laptop
[08:50] <gmoore> anyone know of a good ruby ide?
[08:50] <riv> The question is why?
[08:50] <dabar> gmoore: did you have a message for me?
[08:51] <zerboxx> wickers: I'm pretty good, thanks (Yourself?) trying to get a script working in fvwm, but I have no idea how :)
[08:51] <setite> dabar?
[08:51] <chicken_> riv, startx
[08:51] <setite> having NAT errors
[08:51] <riv> chicken_: black screen.
[08:51] <setite> whats that abotu
[08:51] <dabar> what now setite? are you all weird?
[08:51] <dabar> or is my IRC client sending you weird messages?
[08:51] <setite> i thought you were talking to me about pinging
[08:51] <darkheart> gmoore Isn't rails an IDE for ruby?
[08:51] <dabar> setite: no.
[08:51] <tristanmike> I'm in unfamiliar territory with laptops and I REALLY want to get one but I don't know where to start. Does anyone wanna have a chat about my options/
[08:51] <dabar> jaqkar: even pinging the router, 192.168.1.1 works?
[08:51] <chicken_> riv, startx <program> put the location of a program in like /usr/bin/gaim
[08:52] <setite> !ubuntuguide
[08:52] <ubotu> from memory, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. The official FAQ Guide will be released with Breezy, stay tuned
[08:52] <jaqkar> dabar: you said i shouldnt laugh...
[08:52] <setite> wrong answer
[08:52] <dabar> hah.
[08:52] <jaqkar> dabar: yeah even pinging the router works
[08:52] <jaqkar> dabar: so its seems ubuntu isnt forwarding packets or natting or somethin
[08:53] <dabar> try pinging my router, then, jaqkar. 206.45.184.152
[08:53] <Flonne> Kyral, sorry it took so long -- I had to go AFK.
[08:53] <Flonne> Kyral, sed ':loop; $!N; s/\n/ /g; t loop' <file>
[08:53] <jaqkar> dabar: nope
[08:54] <riv> chicken_: black screen
[08:54] <marathonracer> hello together
[08:54] <firebird619> Hi, I am trying to put some photos onto a CD in Linux. It is a new blank CD and the capacity is 700 MB, however, when I try to burn the CD it says Reload Blank Disc Please replace the disc in the drive with a blank disc, with at least 682 MiB free. Can anyone help me solve this issue?
[08:54] <Flonne> Kyral, that should remove all new lines from a file and replace them with spaces.
[08:54] <dabar> doesnt work, eh....paste your interfaces file.
[08:54] <dabar> hey!!!
[08:54] <HappyFool> riv: you can look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log for some error messages
[08:55] <anabatic> can someone help here with enlightenment e16 , having taskbar issues
[08:55] <dabar> sudo gedit /etc/network/options, change the first line no to a yes, jaqkar
[08:55] <darkheart> e16 has a taskbar?
[08:55] <anabatic> well a bar .
[08:55] <anabatic> dunno what elseto call it
[08:55] <darkheart> anabatic Which bar?
[08:55] <riv> HappyFool: Yes, I did that. It doesn't like DRI
[08:55] <HappyFool> riv: you could perhaps try 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' to reconfigure your X settings
[08:56] <darkheart> anabatic Oh yeah..that thing at the top?
[08:56] <WhyvasMCT> anyone know of a fast mirror for breezy?
[08:56] <riv> HappyFool: what settings would you suggest?
[08:56] <HappyFool> riv: um. i think it tries to detect your hardware etc
[08:56] <riv> yes... but that didn't work.
[08:56] <HappyFool> riv: otherwise, choose conservative settings
[08:57] <riv> such as?
[08:57] <HappyFool> such as lesser video resolutions
[08:57] <darkheart> anabatic Hide it? Just make it go away?
[08:57] <HappyFool> i'm afraid i haven't run the configure for a while, i've forgotten the choices
[08:57] <chicken_> riv, did it work ?
[08:58] <riv> chicken_: did what work?
[08:58] <dabar> jaqkar: what did you do, did you change that options file?
[08:58] <Carolyn> Hey guys
[08:58] <dabar> hey carlyn
[08:58] <dabar> Carolyn:
[08:58] <riv> chicken_: the answer is probably no, but I want to be sure.
[08:58] <jaqkar> dabar: yes
[08:58] <Carolyn> I have a question: the program Totem won't play my music I am running on the LIve Ubuntu disc
[08:58] <jaqkar> dabar: gimmi 5min's
[08:58] <dabar> yup
[08:59] <HappyFool> riv: do you know what hardware you have? maybe googling for it + ubuntu, or linux will help.
[08:59] <Carolyn> is there a newer version of totem? or can I get away with downloading Winamp?
[08:59] <Carolyn> but other then that how are you guys doin?
[08:59] <dabar> can they install the codecs in the live cd?
[09:00] <badbean> o_o"
[09:00] <Carolyn> I'm not too sure... I am sure I can download a new version
[09:00] <faen> anyone having problems connecting to ftp2.caliu.info
[09:00] <dabar> can you install stuff?
[09:00] <Carolyn> but mind you the settings won't be saved
[09:00] <dabar> we are fine, how are you...
[09:01] <Carolyn> I am pretty good dabar :)
[09:01] <faen> I can't connect to ftp2.caliu.info nor can I add nooms repository
[09:01] <dabar> good stuff.:)
[09:01] <faen> whyfor, I have no idea
[09:01] <HappyFool> Carolyn: there are other media players besides totem; i doubt you will easily get winamp working on ubuntu (i may be wrong?)
[09:01] <dabar> no reason to anyhow,.
[09:01] <dabar> Carolyn: can you install things?
[09:01] <riv> HappyFool: Yes, I have the intel Express Chipset and about 20 tabs open in the back telling me I want i915 drivers
[09:02] <dabar> From the Internet.
[09:02] <faen> Carolyn, xmms and beep media player are the closest to winamp
[09:02] <dabar> While using the Live CD.
[09:02] <HappyFool> riv: standby
[09:02] <Carolyn> Ive tried to install other stuffs for Mozilla
[09:02] <faen> and a heap better IMHO
[09:02] <leonel> enable universe and install vlc it plays mpg mov wmv and many more
[09:02] <Carolyn> but Mozilla was like Oh your running on Linux CD
[09:02] <dabar> leonel: can they install stuff on the live CD?
[09:02] <Carolyn> what is the totem website?
[09:04] <HappyFool> riv: hmm, well, your card is not (obviously) here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCards
[09:04] <leonel> whoops I don't know haven't used live cds
[09:04] <dabar> Carolyn: google for totem.
[09:05] <riv> HappyFool: Yes, I was affraid of that.
[09:05] <bender_> sup
[09:05] <HappyFool> riv: hmm, but this says someone got it to work: http://www.linux-laptop.net/hosted/dell-latitude-d410.html
[09:06] <riv> home grown patch
[09:06] <HappyFool> riv: looks like he just had problems with DRI though; i.e., basic stuff worked ?
[09:06] <HappyFool> err
[09:07] <HappyFool> that is, vga out, not dri
[09:07] <riv> well I just found this: http://sans.nada.kth.se/~orjan/D410.html
[09:08] <HappyFool> do you have a dell d410 ?
[09:08] <riv> no
[09:08] <Carolyn> I've tried to do that
[09:09] <riv> but I do have the intel motherboard
[09:09] <riv> with the express chipset.
[09:09] <Carolyn> it recognizes the Ubuntu and it didn't like the live cd thing
[09:09] <asparagus> how do i make my pcmcia wifi card work on ubuntu on my powerbook?
[09:09] <riv> from gateways website "Intel Extreme Graphics 2 integrated in Northbridge 915GM"
[09:10] <HappyFool> riv: hmm
[09:10] <HappyFool> riv: if that page you posted is correct, you need a pre-release driver from xorg
[09:10] <riv> which, I'm guessing, is what the i915 drivers are for
[09:11] <kootox> I have a problem for my printer someone can help (Espon C20UX which prints white pages)
[09:11] <riv> oh
[09:11] <kootox> ??
[09:11] <darkheart> riv What were you having trouble with?
[09:11] <riv> how does one go about that?
[09:11] <dabar> later
[09:11] <dabar> or actuallty....
[09:11] <Lylat> how to define modprobe.conf?
[09:11] <riv> darkheart: My gateway laptop is not getting into X
[09:12] <chicken_> riv, try reinstalling X
[09:12] <riv> darkheart:and probably needs the i915 drivers.
[09:12] <chicken_> riv, and the X windows manager
[09:13] <HappyFool> riv: i'm not sure; i guess you need to get a recent Xorg source, and compile and install it. likely to be complex
[09:13] <riv> mmmm
[09:14] <omp342> ubuntu won't boot =/
[09:14] <chicken_> omp342, why ?
[09:14] <asparagus> how do i make my pcmcia wifi card work on ubuntu on my powerbook?
[09:14] <HappyFool> riv: http://freedesktop.org/Software/xorg
[09:15] <omp342> i followed these steps: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriversHowto/ATI
[09:15] <omp342> and rebooted
[09:15] <omp342> and now it wont open
[09:15] <omp342> im using win xp now =/
[09:15] <DekaPink> I tried to show my friend the Ubuntu live CD the other day... She wouldn't have any of it. My other friend and I had to restrain her... lol... but then the CD didn't boot. --; Her CD drive is screwed up and doesn't seem to work. :3
[09:15] <jaqkar> dabar: still here
[09:15] <omp342> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[09:15] <chicken_> omp342, Does Gnome not start ?
[09:15] <omp342> that actualy
[09:15] <riv> HappyFool: thanks
[09:15] <dabar> ya
[09:15] <Lylat> hello, how to define modprobe.conf?
[09:15] <bender_> whos have driver problems?
[09:15] <jaqkar> dabar: oki im almost ready
[09:15] <bender_> and with what
[09:16] <omp342> when it gets to the part where its supposed to display the login field so i can log in
[09:16] <omp342> it just stays black
[09:16] <omp342> it doesnt show up
[09:16] <kootox> I have a problem for my printer someone can help (Espon C20UX which prints white pages whereas it prints the test page)
[09:16] <chicken_> omp342, ot sounds like you have messed up X try removeing that drive
[09:16] <dabar> jaqkar: what have you done?
[09:17] <bender_> omp342 what is the problem
[09:17] <omp342> k
[09:17] <itay_> hi!
[09:17] <chicken_> omp342, driver*
[09:17] <itay_> I have some problems with the X server, I can't run a few applications
[09:17] <EasterSunshine> if soemthing gets sent to stderr within a bash script, would the script abort?
[09:17] <omp342> bender_, i followed these steps, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI and now ubuntu won't work =/
[09:17] <NetGeek> anyone using colony 3
[09:17] <itay_> the error is: couldn't find matching GLX visual
[09:17] <bender_> omp342 be a little more vague please
[09:17] <bender_> what is it doing
[09:18] <HappyFool> EasterSunshine: it shouldn't; that should simply send text to the stderr stream
[09:18] <NetGeek> is it safe enough for a non-critical laptop
[09:18] <EasterSunshine> hmm...interesting...
[09:18] <omp342> bender_, when it gets to the area where the login field is supposed to show up, it just stays black
[09:18] <chicken_> omp342, remove the driver, if that don't work reinstall X and the X windows manager
[09:18] <omp342> okay
[09:18] <omp342> ill brb
[09:18] <bender_> omp342
[09:19] <krueger> Ey!
[09:19] <kootox> somebody for my printer problem?????
[09:19] <HappyFool> itay_: if you have an nvidia/ati card, you can try installing the drivers provided by ubuntu
[09:19] <omp342> ya
[09:19] <Carolyn> I want to see if Winamp does stuff
[09:19] <bender_> re run the x config
[09:19] <bender_> that will get your basic X back
[09:19] <itay_> HappyFool, I already did it.
[09:19] <bender_> then work from there
[09:19] <HappyFool> Carolyn: winamp is for windows, not linux, unless I'm wrong
[09:19] <omp342> how do i do that? :D
[09:19] <bender_> you can get winamp for *nix
[09:19] <Carolyn> Well it didn't seem to complain yet
[09:19] <chicken_> @bender_ ooops i forgot about that lol
[09:19] <Velox> Hello...I recently came in with the GRUB problem, well I loaded up the LiveCD, will I be able to fix it from here?
[09:19] <bender_> omp342 hold one sec so i can make sure i give you the right command
[09:19] <Carolyn> probably is for windows
[09:20] <HappyFool> itay_: if you run 'glxinfo|grep direct' in a terminal, what output do you get?
[09:20] <omp342> ok
[09:20] <CyberMad> ok brb
[09:20] <omp342> and if it matters, i have the amd64 version
[09:20] <Carolyn> certainly doesn't hurt to try
[09:20] <CyberMad> test the apt-get
[09:20] <bender_> xorg right omp342
[09:20] <itay_> Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:20] <itay_> Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual
[09:20] <omp342> that's probably why the driver didnt work
[09:20] <ifr> Hi, what was the way to see what programs are using a particular mounted drive, if you want to umount and get the message that it's busy?
[09:20] <omp342> ya
[09:20] <OwnageLinux> yo
[09:20] <itay_> I got the first error a lot of times
[09:20] <bender_> omp342 xorgconfig
[09:20] <OwnageLinux> guys do u no how to get wine to work?
[09:20] <HappyFool> itay_: if you run 'glxinfo|grep direct' in a terminal, what output do you get?
[09:20] <chicken_> ifr, fs ?
[09:20] <omp342> ok
[09:21] <CyberMad> damn... it's work dude
[09:21] <omp342> thanks
[09:21] <CyberMad> yudi@earth:~$ sudo apt-get install crossover
[09:21] <CyberMad> Password:
[09:21] <CyberMad> Reading package lists... Done
[09:21] <itay_> HappyFool, I wrote it, here it is again:
[09:21] <bender_> omp342 lemme know if it works
[09:21] <ifr> chicken_ sorry, uh, what?
[09:21] <dabar> Carolyn: you need to learn how to install things in ubuntu/debian.
[09:21] <HappyFool> itay_: hmm
[09:21] <HappyFool> ok
[09:21] <CyberMad> Building dependency tree... Done
[09:21] <CyberMad> E: Couldn't find package crossover
[09:21] <omp342> okay
[09:21] <itay_> HappyFool, Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:21] <itay_> Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual
[09:21] <chicken_> ifr, type fs in a terminal
[09:21] <OwnageLinux> anynone know how to work wine?
[09:21] <ifr> The drive I'm trying to umount is a samba fs drive
[09:21] <ifr> Ah.
[09:21] <ifr> nick@un1-dosa:~$ sudo fs
[09:21] <CyberMad> do you know what is keyword for crossover?
[09:21] <ifr> command not found
[09:21] <riv> HappyFool: This guy says he's just using the kernel driver i915.... where would I find such a think if it exited?
[09:21] <riv> http://rasher.dk/UbuntuOnMyBook255.html
[09:22] <Carolyn> Nevermind
[09:22] <chicken_> ifr, errrm i know it's some thing like that
[09:22] <Carolyn> the Winamp disappeared without a trace
[09:22] <OwnageLinux> how do i get Wine to work?
[09:22] <ifr> are you thinking of df?
[09:22] <bender_> ok im bord. who are the newbletts in here so i can make use of my day by helping other
[09:22] <bender_> s
[09:22] <ifr> That's not the problem - I know what's mounted, I want to know what's using it.
[09:22] <Carolyn> yah thats silly
[09:22] <dabar> Carolyn: you should use synaptic, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto . Then you need to learn how to add repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto . then you need to learn about mp3 support for Ubuntu linux: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:23] <chicken_> ifr, ahh yea thats it
[09:23] <darkheart> df will just give you disk usage.
[09:23] <HappyFool> riv: the stuff at the top says he has different hardware (i910 / i855GM); anyway, let me see if i have an i915.ko file
[09:23] <ifr> Yes, that wasn't it though, as far as what I needed. Anyone? like a top to show what's using a particular drive? I ps au 'd it but nada
[09:23] <chicken_> ifr, try mount
[09:24] <ifr> chicken_ I think you don't understand my question
[09:24] <ifr> but thanks for trying
[09:24] <HappyFool> riv: ok, i do have one
[09:24] <c0rrupt_> im eating chicken breast
[09:24] <WhyvasMCT> !breezy
[09:24] <ubotu> hmm... breezy is the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It can and will be broken, and can damage your system. Differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/
[09:24] <riv> HappyFool: neat!
[09:24] <HappyFool> riv: that means you do too (or you should)
[09:24] <HappyFool> riv: what does 'lsmod|grep i915' say ?
[09:24] <chicken_> c0rrupt, stop eating me !!
[09:24] <darkheart> ifr I'm not sure what the command is you are looking for (I would like to know also), but are you trying to umount it from within the directory?
[09:24] <Carolyn> Thanks dabar lemme try that out
[09:25] <dabar> yup
[09:25] <HappyFool> ifr: maybe lsof or fuser
[09:25] <dabar> jaqkar: you are not waiting for a reply from me, are you?
[09:25] <OwnageLinux> will someone answer meh?
[09:25] <BockBilbo> whats the best way to install the latest OpenOffice.org 2.0 (1.9.m122) in ubuntu? Get the rpm files from oo.org and make debs using alien?
[09:25] <HappyFool> itay_: hmm. it sounds like you haven't correctly installed the drivers, but i don't know. i thought glxinfo would work, regardless
[09:25] <faen> OwnageLinux, huh?
[09:26] <chicken_> ifr, did you say yoy wanted to unmont some thing ?, look in /etc/fstab
[09:26] <itay_> HappyFool, when X starts I see the nvidia splash screen
[09:26] <Velox> HappyFool: I booted into the LiveCD, can I run grub-install from here and whatever else I need to do to get GRUB working correctly?
[09:26] <riv> HappyFool: it says i915 and drm i915
[09:26] <HappyFool> eek
[09:26] <darkheart> chicken_ He wants to find out what is using something on the mounted drive so he can stop it to unmount it.
[09:26] <dabar> OwnageLinux: install it.
[09:26] <HappyFool> Velox: you should be able to; those wiki pages should tell you how
[09:27] <faen> bah, apt-get update is hanging..
[09:27] <HappyFool> Velox: you need to do some other stuff (chroot, etc.)
[09:27] <faen> ftp2.caliu.info is down it seems
[09:27] <HappyFool> Velox: you can't just run 'grub-install' -- read those pages
[09:27] <Velox> !grub
[09:27] <ubotu> rumour has it, grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[09:27] <HappyFool> itay_: hmm. sorry, i'm not sure what the problem is
[09:27] <faen> Err ftp://ftp2.caliu.info hoary-extras Release.gpg
[09:27] <faen> Could not connect to ftp2.caliu.info:21 (147.83.29.16), connection timed out
[09:27] <chicken_> faen, ping it to check
[09:28] <riv> HappyFool: It seems I have them too... now do I get them to be used?
[09:28] <HappyFool> riv: that's kernel level 'drivers' -- there might still be an X problem
[09:28] <riv> oh
[09:28] <chicken_> riv, reinstall X !
[09:29] <faen> no ping reply
[09:29] <faen> hanging
[09:29] <faen> --- ftp2.caliu.info ping statistics ---
[09:29] <faen> 71 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 70000ms
[09:29] <OwnageLinux> dabar: how do i install it...?
[09:29] <HappyFool> riv: hmm, googling for 'ubuntu i915gm' reveals some hits...
[09:29] <Psyco> hi
[09:29] <HappyFool> riv: do you have a 'Gateway M210' ?
[09:29] <Psyco> I have installed mldonkey
[09:29] <krueger> hi
[09:30] <dabar> sudo aptitude install wine.
[09:30] <Psyco> but the list of servers is empty
[09:30] <faen> Psyco, look at the mldonkey homepage
[09:30] <faen> or read the man file
[09:30] <dabar> OwnageLinux: it is in universe, so adding universe to your repositories would be good.
[09:30] <OwnageLinux> when i open the repositories on synaptic and click add it just selects one of the files... its weird
[09:30] <Psyco> however the file servers.ini seems to have the information of the servers
[09:30] <Psyco> ok
[09:30] <dabar> to add repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto .
[09:31] <zxc2> does anyone else find that ubuntuguide lags like hell?
[09:31] <Psyco> faen, I will
[09:31] <chicken_> zxc2, not if your using lynx
[09:31] <speedy> hi all!
[09:31] <Psyco> thanks for the help, anyway
[09:32] <chicken_> hi
[09:32] <Velox> Okay, mounted up my system and such, chrooted it, now running /sbin/grub-install /dev/hdd says: Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[09:32] <chicken_> can some one tell me the day today i've forgot
[09:33] <Velox> Aug 19th
[09:33] <Velox> Friday
[09:33] <chicken_> woohoo friday
[09:33] <HappyFool> Velox: hmm
[09:33] <Velox> I mounted it under hdd1, so I have the right drive
[09:33] <HappyFool> Velox: does that machine have net access? can you browse the web from it (as it is now) ?
[09:34] <Velox> I'm on the machine now HappyFool
[09:34] <chicken_> i am making a website :P http://80.6.146.2
[09:34] <Velox> From X-Chat
[09:34] <riv> HappyFool: GatewayM250
[09:34] <HappyFool> Velox: ok, can you paste the output of 'sudo fdisk -l' to http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl ? and the output of 'mount' ? (you can put it on the same page)
[09:35] <Velox> Sure, give me a min
[09:35] <FR500> hello
[09:35] <manish> hi - i'm having the following problem. I installed vnc yesterday. And it works ok from the console. But when I run a vncserver on the machine - and use a vnc client to work - my keyboard settings are all screwed up. When I first logged on - it gave me a warning that my X settings and gnome settings are different and asked me to choose. I chose gnome settings. But the keyboard setting got messed up. I don't know how to fix this - can so
[09:35] <FR500> does anyone use mergeant?
[09:36] <dabar> no, not even the people that use it.
[09:36] <FR500> uh?
[09:36] <dabar> are you taking a poll?
[09:36] <FR500> no, i need help on it
[09:36] <Velox> HappyFool: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1401
[09:36] <HappyFool> riv: hmm. ok, that doesn't give so many hits on google
[09:36] <dabar> FR500: ask.
[09:37] <omp342> hmm xorgconfig asks me too many complicated questions =o
[09:37] <HappyFool> riv: but people generally don't seem to have problems with the i915
[09:37] <FR500> i try to connect to my mysql server, it works using mysqladmin for instance, but here, when i hit connect it does nothing
[09:38] <dabar> now save that question, and ask later if you dont get an answer now.
[09:38] <FR500> lol
[09:38] <FR500> ok
[09:38] <manish> hi - does anyone know how to fix problems with keyboard settings on ubuntu. My keyboard works fine on the console - but when use my lptop to vnc to the ubuntu host machine - everything is messed up.
[09:38] <itay> somebody knows how to solve my GLX problem?
[09:38] <riv> HappyFool: ok, so how do I get the i915 drivers?
[09:39] <Seveas> ompaul, ?
[09:39] <dabar> operator status.
[09:39] <ompaul> oped :)
[09:39] <itay> the error is: Xlib:
[09:39] <itay> extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"
[09:39] <bender_> omp342
[09:40] <bender_> you couldnt figure it out?
[09:40] <omp342> it asked me like 50 questions about my mouse and keyboard and stuff
[09:40] <omp342> and my monitors refresh rate and stuff like that
[09:40] <HappyFool> Velox: hmm
[09:40] <omp342> i dont have that all memorized :D
[09:40] <chicken_> omp342, lol
[09:40] <omp342> should i just reinstall ubuntu
[09:41] <omp342> as i just installed it yesterday
[09:41] <omp342> i have nothing to lose
[09:41] <HappyFool> Velox: what about 'grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/hdd' ?
[09:41] <chicken_> omp342, no lol you will be wateing time
[09:41] <OwnageLinux> lol
[09:41] <chicken_> wateing*
[09:41] <FR500> omp342: what is the isse again?
[09:41] <chicken_> wasteing8
[09:41] <OwnageLinux> adding a repository is confusing
[09:41] <Velox> root@ubuntu:/ # grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/hdd
[09:41] <Velox> Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time.
[09:41] <Velox> Could not find device for /boot/boot: Not found or not a block device.
[09:41] <omp342> isse?
[09:41] <FR500> issue
[09:41] <ompaul> omp342, so get the data stick it in a document and push it onto a piece of paper if that is all you altered, if there is more then maybe yes :) and if you do you can learn more about the install by seeing it for a second time :)
[09:41] <Velox> Ack, oops.
[09:42] <Velox> Sorry about multiple lines.
[09:42] <HappyFool> riv: assuming the i915GM works out-the-box (which it seems to, if these web pages are to be believed), you shouldn't need to do anything
[09:42] <ompaul> Velox, --root-directory=/ might help
[09:42] <OwnageLinux> can someone explain to me how to install wine its way confusing
[09:42] <FR500> apt-get install wine?
[09:42] <Velox> ompaul: Still no dice, Could not find device for //boot: Not found or not a block device.
[09:42] <chicken_> OwnageLinux, apt-get install wine
[09:43] <OwnageLinux> how do i do that
[09:43] <chicken_> OwnageLinux, there is also an auto-configure thing some where
[09:43] <ompaul> Velox, hmm let me look at something
[09:43] <kemik> wine-utils
[09:43] <kemik> or wineutils..
[09:43] <Velox> Hmm, in the boot directory I now have a boot folder with a grub folder inside.
[09:43] <omp342> to get wine
[09:43] <dabar> I have xmms-mp4 installed, yet xmms still cant play mp4 files. It kinda ignores that I loaded a file to play at all, since when I press play it asks which file to play, by opening a open dialog.
[09:43] <omp342> wont you need
[09:43] <riv> HappyFool: but I don't see i915 as an option when I configure
[09:43] <omp342> msttcorefonts?
[09:44] <riv> HappyFool: I only see i850
[09:44] <ompaul> Velox, did you try grub-install /dev/hdd ?
[09:44] <asparagus> i need help configuring the pcmcia wifi card on my powerbook, it works but it cant find a signal.
[09:45] <Velox> ompaul: Yes
[09:45] <manish> hi i need some help with my keyboard settings - can someone help me?
[09:45] <ompaul> Velox, and ?
[09:45] <FR500> dabar: asq the question :d
[09:45] <HappyFool> riv: and i810 ?
[09:45] <Velox> Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[09:45] <chickenman> manish, what is you problem ?
[09:45] <FR500> asparagus: try iwlist scan
[09:46] <FR500> asparagus: to see if it can find your ap
[09:46] <ompaul> Velox, please paste the output of /etc/fstab into a pastebin
[09:46] <dabar> FR500: how can I make it play, it is obvious from what I said.
[09:46] <Arnia> Can anyone explain how to install the header files for libpoppler without losing ubuntu-desktop?
[09:46] <manish> my keyboard works fine. but when i use vnc from the laptop - everything is messed up. when i did it the first time it said gnome setting and x setting are different and asked me to choose - i chose gnome. probably should hav chosen x. now i need to change it back
[09:46] <dabar> ubuntu-desktop is ok to be lost.
[09:46] <ompaul> Velox, and the contents of /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:46] <asparagus> FR500, it says interface doesnt support scanning
[09:46] <ompaul> Velox, what operating systems are on that machine?
[09:46] <manish> chickenman: problem above. and i don't know how to use X keyboard setting when i vnc to the machine
[09:47] <riv> HappyFool: well, thanks for the help.. I'm giving up for now and getting something to eat.
[09:47] <ompaul> Velox, which partitions are they on
[09:47] <chickenman> manish, errrm try reconfigureing X
[09:47] <Velox> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1402
[09:47] <HappyFool> riv: sorry i couldn't help more
[09:47] <manish> chickenman: how do i reconfigure X?
[09:47] <Velox> ompaul, I have Ubuntu and Windows XP, Windows is on /dev/sda1
[09:47] <Zeroblitzt> OK, I just reinstalled Ubuntu yesterday, and my sound won't work again. I have alsa installed (I think it did it automatically upon installation), but it still wont work. XMMS just scrolls through my playlist really fast until it hits the end.
[09:47] <Zeroblitzt> How can I fix this?
[09:47] <Velox> Ubuntu is on /dev/hdd1
[09:47] <HappyFool> ompaul: see this too http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1401 (Velox's 'sudo fdisk -l' and 'mount')
[09:47] <cyphase> why does ubuntu have trouble declaring it's name to a router?
[09:48] <ompaul> HappyFool, thanks
[09:48] <cyphase> and it goes on and off
[09:48] <chickenman> manish, errrrm i've forgot
[09:48] <cyphase> both my ubuntu machines are only ip addresses to the router
[09:48] <Pogopuschel-> cyphase: what goes on and off?
[09:48] <seife> man
[09:48] <WhyvasMCT> what card do you have cyphase?
[09:49] <seife> i couldnt plug
[09:49] <zoexi> hello, can I get help with brokenn sound?
[09:49] <seife> the disk where i was going to install ubuntu
[09:49] <manish> chickenman: I don't even have XF86Config in /etc
[09:49] <seife> i unpluged my two HDs
[09:49] <Velox> Heh ompaul.
[09:49] <seife> then pluged my extra one
[09:49] <ompaul> !tell zoexi about ask
[09:49] <manish> chickenman: ubuntu is very different from redhat
[09:49] <seife> IDE1 cable to my HD
[09:49] <Zeroblitzt> Can anybody help?
[09:49] <Velox> sda isn't touched whatsoever...its my NTFS drive.
[09:49] <seife> then i plugged the power cable
[09:49] <zoexi> ask?
[09:49] <seife> and when i turn on the comp
[09:49] <chickenman> what is the command to configure X ?
[09:49] <seife> it says checking NVram
[09:50] <jaqkar> dabar: you still here?
[09:50] <HappyFool> manish: to reconfigure X, run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[09:50] <seife> 125215 OK
[09:50] <seife> and it stops there
[09:50] <dabar> ye
[09:50] <seife> it dont detect the HD
[09:50] <HappyFool> manish: if you want to twiddle a config file, it's /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:50] <Zeroblitzt> OK, I just reinstalled Ubuntu yesterday, and my sound won't work again. I have alsa installed (I think it did it automatically upon installation), but it still wont work. XMMS just scrolls through my playlist really fast until it hits the end.
[09:50] <jaqkar> dabar: still dont wanna ping
[09:50] <Velox> Zeroblitzt: if they're MP3s, do you need LAME?
[09:50] <dabar> whatchu do?
[09:50] <Zeroblitzt> Im pretty sure I already have it
[09:51] <dabar> what did yuou do.
[09:51] <LinuxJones> Zeroblitzt, do you have mp3 support codecs installed ?
[09:51] <HappyFool> Zeroblitzt: do you here any sounds? e.g., login sound etc?
[09:51] <ompaul> Velox, what is in /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[09:51] <OwnageLinux> i got the wine files... but in the synaptic how do i chose to download them
[09:51] <jaqkar> dabar: changed /etc/network/options and if down/up
[09:51] <Zeroblitzt> HappyFool --> No
[09:52] <chickenman> OwnageLinux, right click on them
[09:52] <Zeroblitzt> I dont have LAME installed
[09:52] <WhyvasMCT> CHICKEN NECKS?
[09:52] <Velox> ompaul: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1403
[09:52] <HappyFool> Zeroblitzt: have you checked the mute/volume settings? (double click on the speaker next to the clock at the top-right to check)
[09:52] <Zeroblitzt> Its at the max
[09:52] <Zeroblitzt> 100%
[09:53] <HappyFool> Zeroblitzt: ok, and not muted?
[09:53] <ompaul> Velox, I was reading that before I checked in the channel :)
[09:53] <omp342> im reinstalling right now =]
[09:53] <zoexi> right then, system sounds play, gnome startup sounds play, audio cds play. I get no sound out of mp3s or videos. I play with settings and have no luck. how can i know what is broken?
[09:53] <Zeroblitzt> nope
[09:53] <dabar> jaqkar: now ip_forward is on...eh?
[09:53] <seife> man
[09:53] <seife> noboy helpsme in this channel
[09:53] <seife> sigh
[09:53] <chickenman> omp342, ubuntu ?
[09:53] <chickenman> omp342, or X ?
[09:53] <jaqkar> dabar: yup
[09:53] <Velox> Heh, I'm totally out of my depth with GRUB.
[09:53] <omp342> ya
[09:53] <omp342> ubuntu
[09:53] <dabar> ok, I am off for now.
[09:53] <dabar> sorry it did not work yet...
[09:53] <HappyFool> Zeroblitzt: ok, what sound hardware do you have? do you know?
[09:53] <chickenman> omp342, should have reinstalled X
[09:53] <crispin> so, my network card isn't raised on bootup, which package should I raise the bug report against ?
[09:54] <jaqkar> :p
[09:54] <OwnageLinux> chickenman: if they're green or orange does it mean they're d/l ing?
[09:54] <Zeroblitzt> Creative Labs Soundblaster Live!
[09:54] <dabar> :)
[09:54] <dabar> Im a tired maca.
[09:54] <jaqkar> :)
[09:54] <chickenman> OwnageLinux, click the accept button at the top or download or some thing like that
[09:55] <HappyFool> Zeroblitzt: ought to work, according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsSoundCards
[09:55] <asparagus> FR500, it says interface doesnt support scanning
[09:55] <ompaul> I just wonder if 'grub-install --root-directory=/boot/grub h0,0' its been a while since I fixed a grub partition (a long while start of 04 iirc
[09:55] <LinuxJones> Zeroblitzt, do you have onboard sound card as well on your motherboard ?
[09:55] <HappyFool> Zeroblitzt: what does 'cat /proc/asound/modules' say ?
[09:55] <jaqkar> guys dabar helped me to install dnsmasq with dhcp and ipmasq but we cant seem to get the ubuntu box to forward requests
[09:55] <Zeroblitzt> LinuxJones -> yes
[09:55] <Zeroblitzt> HappyFool, one second
[09:55] <ompaul> velox : I just wonder if 'grub-install --root-directory=/boot/grub h0,0' its been a while since I fixed a grub partition (a long while start of 04 iirc
[09:56] <HappyFool> Zeroblitzt: LinuxJones may be on the right track
[09:56] <Zeroblitzt> knovak@knovak1:~ $ cat /proc/asound/modules
[09:56] <Zeroblitzt> 0 snd_emu10k1
[09:56] <Zeroblitzt> 1 snd_bt87x
[09:56] <LinuxJones> Zeroblitzt, right click the sound icon then go preferences
[09:56] <LinuxJones> Zeroblitzt, select the alsa device and click ok
[09:56] <Kira> Does someone have a recommendation for a PPPoE dialer in Ubuntu?
[09:56] <omp342_> ill be back after i install ubuntu, this laptops battery is going out of charge
[09:57] <Zeroblitzt> o
[09:57] <Zeroblitzt> k
[09:57] <Velox> root@ubuntu:/boot/grub # grub-install --root-directory=/boot/grub hd0,0 Could not find device for /boot/grub/boot: Not found or not a block device.
[09:57] <ompaul> Kira, ppp oe and dialer ... emm network or dialer?
[09:57] <dabar> Kira: pppoe does not dial.. use pppoeconf in a termional to set it up
[09:57] <OwnageLinux> the updates after i installed linux took like 2 hours
[09:57] <Zeroblitzt> XMMS is still speeding through my playlist like all hell
[09:57] <Kira> well, I said "dialer" simply for lack of a better word.
[09:57] <HappyFool> xmms needs to be told to use esd; however, i wouldn't worry about that until you can get basic sounds working
[09:57] <LinuxJones> Zeroblitzt, then run gstreamer-properties , select alsa from the list then hit "test" for output sink (the top one)
[09:57] <ompaul> Kira, pppoe - system - settings - networking
[09:58] <Velox> grub-install: Thou dost so wound my Linux.
[09:58] <supernix> what did they change in the latest kernel image ?
[09:58] <Psyco> hi anyone knows how to load the server list on mldonkey?
[09:58] <ompaul> Velox, what be the stat of the situation now boldrick?
[09:58] <zoexi> failed to construct test pipeline,
[09:58] <Zeroblitzt> hey, it worked I think
[09:58] <Zeroblitzt> my friend IMed me and I got an annoying sound
[09:58] <Kira> So the default install of Hoary comes with the packages to use PPPoE?
[09:58] <LinuxJones> Zeroblitzt, sweet
[09:59] <Zeroblitzt> lemme see something
[09:59] <ompaul> Velox, or whatever that characters name was :)
[09:59] <Zeroblitzt> yup, works
[09:59] <Zeroblitzt> thanks
[09:59] <Psyco> any idea?
[09:59] <LinuxJones> Zeroblitzt, rhythumbox is much better than xmms btw :)
[09:59] <Zeroblitzt> Rhythmbox crashed on my before
[09:59] <ompaul> Kira, is your connection to a router at this time?
[09:59] <Zeroblitzt> and
[09:59] <Velox> ompaul: The command you gave me (after correcting it to be hd0,0 instead of h0,0) gave me same error.
[09:59] <Zeroblitzt> It never loaded my playlists last time
[09:59] <HappyFool> Velox: have you tried the stuff in 'Recovering GRUB manually' on the wiki?
[09:59] <Zeroblitzt> I'll give it another try though
[09:59] <LinuxJones> Zeroblitzt, anyway have fun :)
[09:59] <Zeroblitzt> thanks man
[09:59] <Kira> ompaul: no, switch
[10:00] <asparagus> i need help configuring the pcmcia wifi card on my powerbook, it works but it cant find a signal.
[10:00] <Velox> HappyFool: I'm going to try that now...well maybe first I should try hd0,1
[10:00] <ompaul> Velox, you know I would leave out that directory info - it is the default
[10:00] <Velox> Since it is on hdd1
[10:00] <chickenman> I am making a text based RPG in C++ :-)
[10:00] <esac> everytime i run apt, i get messages such as "W: couldn't stat source package list cdrom://Ubuntu 5.04_Hoary ..... - stat (2 No such file or directory) .. any ideas ?
[10:00] <HappyFool> no, grub numbers from 0
[10:00] <supernix> Hey why don't they ever release information about what has been fixed or updated for each package they release ?
[10:00] <ompaul> Kira, so just enabling the network interface should work for you
[10:01] <zoexi> can vlc use esd? i don't see it as an option, and the gstreamer (multimedia system selector) thing gets no result from alsa or oss
[10:01] <HappyFool> i.e., partition 1 is ,0 -- i'm not sure that /dev/hdd is hd0, though it seems likely, given your menu.lst
[10:01] <ompaul> Velox, yes, in my opinion, I think it is over complicating stuff
[10:01] <supernix> why don't they ever release information about what has been fixed or updated for each package they release ?
[10:02] <Velox> Okay, ran manual install.
[10:02] <chickenman> @supernix, shutup
[10:02] <HappyFool> Velox: no error messages?
[10:02] <Velox> Seems to have worked.
[10:02] <HappyFool> hmm
[10:02] <ompaul> Velox, heh
[10:02] <supernix> chickenman: you need to learn to read you obviously missed the network guidelines
[10:02] <HappyFool> Velox: i guess all you need to do is reboot and see ;)
[10:02] <Velox> Indeed.
[10:02] <Velox> brb
[10:02] <chickenman> supernix, i did ?, oh well
[10:03] <Kira> pppoeconf is asking me whether to check the configuration file for noauth, nodetach, and defaultroute. What are those options? The man page of pppoeconf doesn't mention them.
[10:03] <ompaul> Velox, good luck :)
[10:03] <chickenman> Velox, what was the problem ?
[10:04] <ompaul> Kira, just enable the network card to talk tcp/ip the pppoe stuff should be on the other side of the switch and therefore not your concern (with a bit if luck())
[10:04] <zoexi> LinuxJones: you seem to knnowe things about aaudio output sinks,
[10:04] <zoexi> LinuxJones: could you help me troubleshoot?
[10:05] <sobersabre> is there a way to convert vanilla ooo2 rpm packages into ubuntu (with the proper locations etc. ) ?
[10:05] <Kira> ompaul: that's not the case.
[10:06] <ompaul> sobersabre, use the native ones - you could use alien but why when it has been build for your setop
[10:06] <Kira> ompaul: for me, each machine on my network has to log in (and yes, I get a real public IP for each machine this way).
[10:06] <ompaul> Kira, :)
[10:07] <ompaul> Kira, so are the addresses static or dynamic?
[10:07] <JHK> how is the apt command for application reinstall?
[10:07] <Velox[c] > Bah, didn't work >_<
[10:07] <digitalfox|shed> is there a channel for breezy?
[10:07] <Velox[c] > Meh, I'll just figure out how to use the Windows bootloader.
[10:07] <sobersabre> ompaul, the ooo2 packages for ubuntu are pretty out of sync now: 1.9.122 vs. 1.9.79
[10:08] <ompaul> sobersabre, and there is a reason for needing that small point jump?
[10:08] <sobersabre> I'd like to have a more recent memory eater...
[10:08] <Zeroblitzt> hmm, XMMS still wont play MP3s, even after I sset it to use the eSound output
[10:08] <Kira> ompaul: dynamic
[10:09] <ompaul> sobersabre, you are looking to create more issues for yourself alien is a program that you can use, but if it breaks your box in a bad way so be it
[10:09] <HappyFool> Velox[c] : doh
[10:09] <crimsun> Zeroblitzt: where is it failing?
[10:09] <ompaul> Kira, so just choose dhcp and it should work for you
[10:09] <sobersabre> ompaul, i've never seen a "broken box" by alien, especially such a user thing like office...
[10:09] <ompaul> Kira, please try that and then if that does not work I will do some digging using uncle google
[10:09] <sobersabre> have you ?
[10:09] <noermaen> where can I change the size of the buttons in ubuntu? (Gnome, not KDE)
[10:10] <benplaut> noermaen, it's in the theme, i think
[10:10] <Zeroblitzt> crimsun, it detects the MP3s and lists them all in my playlist editor
[10:10] <ompaul> sobersabre, I have seen stuff not upgradable because of it
[10:10] <Velox[c] > HappyFool: Windows loads okay, so I'll just use its bootloader.
[10:10] <Zeroblitzt> But when I click one it scrolls really fast through the entire playlist until it hits the bottom
[10:10] <sobersabre> ompaul, even after removal ? :)
[10:10] <Fanskapet> yes! DSL! at last! :D
[10:10] <HappyFool> Velox[c] : ok, sorry we couldn't help.
[10:10] <sobersabre> sounds like an urban legend to me ....
[10:10] <crimsun> Zeroblitzt: what about wav files?
[10:10] <chickenman> http://games101.zapto.org My website ;-)
[10:10] <Zeroblitzt> I dont have any
[10:10] <Zeroblitzt> let me test
[10:11] <supernix> why don't they ever release information about what has been fixed or updated for each package they release ? Come on surely someone else has asked this as well
[10:11] <ompaul> sobersabre, and tracking your distro is tracking your distro, making work for yourself is making work for yourself, however it is free software and I would not do it but you are free to do so :)
[10:11] <Velox[c] > HappyFool: Not your fault, thanks for taking your time to help me. ompaul too =)
[10:11] <crimsun> Zeroblitzt: sure you do. See /usr/share/sounds/
[10:11] <sobersabre> ok i think i got the point, i'lll alienize it...
[10:11] <lorenzo> ewt
[10:11] <Zeroblitzt> ok
[10:11] <HappyFool> supernix: for security fixes announcements are made
[10:11] <sobersabre> i've done that on sarge already.
[10:11] <supernix> ah
[10:11] <apokryphos> supernix: which package? Packages in apt generally use a changelog
[10:11] <noermaen> i know where I can change the themes, but I'm lookin for the config-files where I can change it...
[10:11] <Psyco> please anyone knows how to load the server list in mldonkey ??
[10:11] <supernix> HappyFool: any idea where we can view changes to packages ?
[10:12] <crimsun> supernix: come again? There are links to the changelogs from the Web pages and in /usr/share/doc/$package/changelog.Debian.gz
[10:12] <supernix> apokryphos: are you talking about aptitude ?
[10:12] <Zeroblitzt> WAVs work
[10:12] <Zeroblitzt> not MP3s
[10:12] <asparagus> i need help configuring the pcmcia wifi card on my powerbook, it works but it cant find a signal.
[10:12] <crimsun> Zeroblitzt: try installing xmms-mad
[10:12] <supernix> ok see I use synaptic and never see those
[10:12] <apokryphos> supernix: apt/synaptic/aptitude etc
[10:12] <sobersabre> ompaul, but not now, man. i am far too busy...
[10:12] <ompaul> Velox, just wondering if you disconnect the sda for a moment and check it would it work for you
[10:13] <OwnageLinux> what does that mean if u click mark installation on a repository and it becomes green
[10:13] <apokryphos> supernix: actually, not 100% that you can view them in synaptic. I always use KPackage if I ever wanna use a GUI front-end, and that certainly does
[10:13] <Zeroblitzt> crimsun, still no luck
[10:13] <Zeroblitzt> let me try something else, though
[10:14] <HappyFool> supernix: you can find the security-list archive and subscribe info on the ubuntu.com webpage, though you seem to have been given better answers already
[10:14] <chicken[away] > brb every one
[10:14] <Kira> ompaul: I got it working using pppoeconf. :)
[10:14] <OwnageLinux> what does that mean if u click mark installation on a repository and it becomes green
[10:15] <Zeroblitzt> Is there a way to chmod an entire directory and everything under it?
[10:15] <snow> chmod -Rf
[10:15] <snow> Recursive force
[10:15] <HappyFool> OwnageLinux: i think it's just a way of showing that the package has been marked
[10:15] <Zeroblitzt> ok
[10:15] <HappyFool> OwnageLinux: you should also see a yellow arrow on the little square to the left of the package name
[10:16] <zoexi> ok I just made xmms word by changing sound output to 'esound' can anyone tell me if this is possible in VLC?
[10:16] <Zeroblitzt> OK, that was my problem
[10:16] <crimsun> zoexi: install vlc-esd
[10:16] <Zeroblitzt> I was in Kubuntu when I copied that music, so it was read only for root
[10:18] <ompaul> Kira, great
[10:20] <zoexi> awesome, it works, many thanks.
[10:20] <Kira> Now I need to install drivers and configure my wireless card...
[10:20] <Kira> Except I see this line of command and I'm not sure what the end of it means:
[10:20] <Kira> sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[10:20] <benplaut> Kira, good luck with the wifi... it's a mess in Hoary
[10:21] <Kira> What's that $(uname -r) part about?
[10:21] <HappyFool> Kira: you can install linux-headers-386 instead
[10:21] <benplaut> it makes sure it gets it for your own kernel
[10:21] <HappyFool> Kira: assuming you have a -386 kernel
[10:22] <Kira> Ahh
[10:22] <HappyFool> Kira: it's just the version number of your kernel; type 'uname -r' and see what it outputs. the $() is bash magic
[10:22] <Kira> kewl. :D
[10:22] <k_k> i need a prog for filesharing like dc++ in ubuntu
[10:22] <ompaul> !networking
[10:22] <Velox[c] > Hmm...the Windows bootloader hands off to GRUB or LILO...that doesn't bode well for me :\
[10:22] <ubotu> ompaul: What?
[10:22] <ompaul> !networks
[10:22] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, networks is Menu item System - Administration - Networking and or it could be sudo pppoeconf
[10:24] <ompaul> !botsnack
[10:24] <ubotu> :)
[10:24] <ompaul> who owns the bot?
[10:24] <benplaut> caf*uego
[10:24] <HappyFool> k_k: 'apt-cache search direct connect' -- maybe dcqui or dcgui-qt are what you want
[10:25] <benplaut> (without the *)
[10:25] <r0bby> x-window-core is needed for correct?
[10:25] <ompaul> benplaut, that for me?
[10:26] <benplaut> yup
[10:26] <ompaul> benplaut, thanks
[10:26] <HappyFool> r0bby: you mean x-window-system-core ?
[10:26] <r0bby> yeh that
[10:26] <r0bby> regardless, it's needed?
[10:27] <HappyFool> if you want a graphical interface, yes
[10:27] <r0bby> also dri drivers, what are they?
[10:27] <HappyFool> i think dri is direct rendering interface; it's for fast 3D graphics
[10:28] <r0bby> but w/o them, the shit won't hit the fan right (sorry language)?
[10:29] <Kira> benplaut: it doesn't seem to be so horrible. The ubuntu wiki has a howto for my WiFi card. :)
[10:29] <ray_> anybody else have problems playing videos after that gnomemedia update?
[10:29] <HappyFool> r0bby: err. you won't get accelerated 3D graphics, if that's what you mean
[10:29] <r0bby> heh okay
[10:29] <HappyFool> r0bby: the basic system will work though
[10:30] <r0bby> that's what I wanted to know
[10:30] <halley> Anyone familiar with dh-make-perl and making .deb packages from CPAN tarballs?
[10:30] <ray_> r0bby, what card you got?
[10:30] <r0bby> I haven't used my ubuntu box locally in such a long time i forgot
[10:30] <r0bby> it's an ATI
[10:31] <ray_> r0bby, setting up ati for 3d is very easy
[10:31] <r0bby> heh yeh
[10:31] <ray_> anybody else have problems playing videos after that gnomemedia update?
[10:31] <ray_> im gonna have to reinstall just to watch videos!
[10:31] <ray_> damnit
[10:31] <samu> is there a quicktime player for ubuntu?
[10:31] <chicken-man> back
[10:32] <HappyFool> !ati
[10:32] <ubotu> I guess ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[10:32] <ray_> samu, yeah you can get mplayer and totem to play quicktime
[10:32] <Kira> !doom3
[10:32] <ubotu> Kira: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[10:32] <Kira> :(
[10:32] <r0bby> hehe
[10:32] <r0bby> I wasn't asking how to do it
[10:33] <arphetic> how can u see al open connections ?
[10:33] <mobydick> i installed ubuntu in english and i want to change keyboard to turkish c tied from preferences and added turkish keyboard and deleted english but i cant type tukish chareters yet what must i do?
[10:33] <TheGnome> anybody here use the 686-smp kernel?
[10:33] <arphetic> through terminal?>
[10:33] <r0bby> i was asking if it would affect the general x
[10:33] <volvoguy> TheGnome, i do.
[10:33] <TheGnome> r0bby, like how so?
[10:33] <zoexi> what are the plugins to make rythmbox work? can I apt-get them?
[10:33] <george_> i need aid to install mplayer
[10:33] <TheGnome> volvoguy, have you experienced any problems
[10:33] <george_> and the codecs too
[10:33] <omp342> just finished reinstalling =]
[10:34] <HappyFool> !restricted
[10:34] <ubotu> restricted is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:34] <HappyFool> zoexi: read that page; should tell you what to do
[10:34] <volvoguy> TheGnome, nope. not at all. i'm using it on a hyperthreaded P4 and on a true smp machine and it seems to work great.
[10:34] <setite> where do i get xvid plugin
[10:34] <TheGnome> volvoguy, yeah i have a hyperthread p4......but that gnomemedia update broke my system...so im gonna have to reinstall i think
[10:35] <TheGnome> volvoguy, should i use smp on my machine or stick to regular 686
[10:35] <volvoguy> TheGnome, i haven't rebooted yet. i may have that same problem.
[10:36] <volvoguy> TheGnome, i really like the smp kernel, but i haven't done any real benchmarking.
[10:36] <WhyvasMCT> so is breezy really broken or is it safe to install?
[10:36] <divine> a
[10:36] <ompaul> arphetic, a program called lsof - it will produce a lot of information :)
[10:36] <volvoguy> WhyvasMCT, it's pretty broken. i'd only use it if you have a spare machine.
[10:36] <chris> hi... how can i print a file to the shellscreen ?
[10:37] <TheGnome> volvoguy, yeah it sucks....... i cant get ANY videos to have sound......regular sound works....and i had sound in every video..but after that...nope......well im gonna reinstall i will talk to you in a bit
[10:37] <HappyFool> chris: maybe 'cat filename' is what you want?
[10:37] <volvoguy> TheGnome, good luck!
[10:37] <ompaul> arphetic, sorry 'netstat -ar' misread what you wrote
[10:38] <chris> HappyFool: Yes thx
[10:38] <HappyFool> chrs ompaul
[10:38] <setite> how do i find my ip?
[10:38] <chicken-man> setite, ip addr
[10:39] <benplaut> any way to make gaim make meta-contacts?
[10:42] <setite> how do i clear the iptables
[10:42] <Seveas> iptables -F
[10:42] <Seveas> (flush)
[10:43] <pablo928> Can anyine help a Apache newby? I'm trying to change /var/www contents, but I can't. What do I need to do?
[10:44] <EasterSunshine> setite: you can get you global ip `GET www.whatismyip.com | grep Your`
[10:45] <HappyFool> pablo928: what do you mean you can't change the contents? Have you tried using 'sudo' ?
[10:45] <supernix> ty everyone for your help on the change log and thanks apokryphos for pointing me to kpackage I thought it was just for rpm files.
[10:45] <supernix> name
[10:45] <supernix> linux-image-2.6.10-5-686
[10:45] <supernix> summary
[10:45] <supernix> Linux kernel image for version 2.6.10 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV.
[10:45] <supernix> version
[10:45] <supernix> 2.6.10-34.4
[10:46] <chicken-man> what is a good mail program with pop and smtp with a GUI (i don't want any Gnome or KDE things) ?
[10:46] <pablo928> HappyFool-sudo gedit /var/www gives me anerror that this is not a regular file
[10:46] <apokryphos> Seveas: shouldn't the "Please don't use Breezy" be taken out of topic...
[10:46] <HappyFool> pablo928: yes. /var/www is a directory
[10:46] <benplaut> chicken-man, thunderbird
[10:47] <supernix> OMG sorry everyone
[10:47] <apokryphos> Seveas: seems a bit odd to have "we've got a snapshot here for the community, but please don't use it"
[10:47] <supernix> I was just trying to paste the conflict information
[10:47] <chicken-man> benplaut, oooooh yea i forgot about that
[10:47] <benplaut> apokryphos, agreed
[10:47] <chicken-man> benplaut, thanks
[10:47] <benplaut> chicken-man, :)
[10:47] <supernix> I noticed that the latest kernel says that it conflicts with hot plug
[10:47] <dieffel> is Ubuntu Colony 3 worth a try, or should i stay with 5.04???
[10:47] <supernix> Aint that the USB system for devices
[10:47] <HappyFool> pablo928: maybe you want to do sudo gedit /var/www/index.html, or sudo gedit /var/www/apache2-default/index.html ?
[10:48] <benplaut> dieffel, i installed last night, it's great
[10:48] <pablo928> HappyFool-but /var/www has index.html for my Apache site and I want to change it.
[10:48] <dieffel> benplaut, ok
[10:48] <benplaut> dieffel, but dual-boot with hoary, just in case
[10:48] <EasterSunshine> if you really wanna change up that dir like crazy...i would open a root shell
[10:48] <HappyFool> pablo928: ok, so edit the file -- you can't edit a directory
[10:48] <dieffel> benplaut, i have a laptop to try it out.
[10:48] <pablo928> HappyFool-I'll give that a try. Thanks
[10:49] <dieffel> benplaut, what the new features? Do u have any screenshots?
[10:50] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell dieffel about breezy
[10:50] <oonoon> when i leave my computer, i get a blank screen instead of my screensaver ...
[10:50] <benplaut> dieffel, it seems much faster, gnome-panel is now transparent capable, and everything is up to date
[10:50] <benplaut> i dunno about new features
[10:50] <Seveas> apokryphos, it should be now
[10:50] <benplaut> i've used it for only an hour or so
[10:50] <Seveas> wanna do the honours? *g*
[10:50] <apokryphos> benplaut: it's really quite interesting, because the speed difference is very noticeable. Great stuff. =)
[10:50] <dieffel> benplaut, nice... where is breezy fast? boot or in generel?
[10:51] <benplaut> brb
[10:51] <pablo928> happyfool-much thanks. looks like it'll work.
[10:51] <ColonelKernel> I use the breezy kernel on hoary and it works great
[10:51] <apokryphos> Seveas: change topic? You need OP powers
[10:52] <ColonelKernel> speaking of, time to see if theres a new version - I wish there was a way to only add the breezy linux-source package to my update manager
[10:52] <dieffel> benplaut, is breezy still with the i386 as default... i drather like i686... more optimized.
[10:52] <Seveas> :)
[10:52] <EasterSunshine> if i have irssi running in a particular shell and i ssh into my comp, is there a way for me to bring irssi into the ssh session?
[10:52] <Seveas> *g*
[10:52] <apokryphos> heh
[10:52] <Seveas> EasterSunshine, screen!
[10:52] <omp342> does anyone know the name of the package i have to download so i can use custom mouse cursors?
[10:52] <Seveas> read the manpage for screen and always start irssi in a screen session
[10:53] <Seveas> omp342, gcursor (hoary) it's built-in (breezy)
[10:53] <omp342> k
[10:53] <EasterSunshine> hmm...i have never known about screen, thx seveas
[10:53] <ColonelKernel> nope no new version yet, seems like theres one every few days
[10:53] <maximaus> Hey ya'll, I've got Wart, PCLinuxOS,and XP. I want to replace PCLOS with the latest Ubuntu, keeping Warty. Will the installer successfully handle the bootloader for this?
[10:53] <EasterSunshine> seveas: i don't have manpage for screen...i installed kubuntu hoary...
[10:54] <r0bby> screen irssi
[10:54] <r0bby> ctrl+a+d
[10:54] <EasterSunshine> do i apt-get install screen?
[10:54] <Seveas> yup
[10:54] <r0bby> to reattach screen -r
[10:54] <r0bby> :D
[10:54] <oonoon> when i leave my computer, i get a blank screen instead of my screensaver, where does it come from ?
[10:54] <EasterSunshine> thx guys
[10:55] <apokryphos> I'm wondering, either [quasi-] stability has come round much slower this time round (in Breezy) or Colonies/Arrays are being released a lot earlier
[10:55] <omp342> Seveas, I don't see gcursor in synaptic. =/
[10:55] <Seveas> omp342, it's in universe
[10:55] <Seveas> !repos
[10:55] <ubotu> from memory, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[10:55] <HappyFool> EasterSunshine: screen is a dependency of kubuntu-desktop -- you shuold have it already
[10:56] <EasterSunshine> happyfool: i ran debfoster quite a number of times, and removed about a million packages haphazardly
[10:56] <EasterSunshine> (not litereally a million of course)
[10:56] <apokryphos> Seveas: space reduction makes it look like there's space now for a note of #kubuntu ;-)
[10:56] <Seveas> EasterSunshine, always keep ubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop installed
[10:56] <Seveas> ubuntu-base too
[10:56] <EasterSunshine> lol ubuntu-base went bye bye a long long time ago...
[10:56] <Seveas> EasterSunshine, reinstall it
[10:56] <HappyFool> Seveas: i suppose you're going to pedantically insist on libc6 too eh? ;)
[10:56] <apokryphos> EasterSunshine: it's essential to have those for upgrades, really
[10:57] <Seveas> you'll be sorry if you don't have it installed during the upgrade to breezy
[10:57] <Seveas> HappyFool, neh, an a.out libc will do :)
[10:57] <omp342> Seveas, it worked. Thanks :)
[10:57] <EasterSunshine> seveas, apokryphos: i don't ever upgrade, it makes me feel like i'm usin up the repos servers bandwidth
[10:58] <Corvus> hi
[10:58] <Hieronymus> EasterSunshine: you can also use cds to upgrade
[10:58] <EasterSunshine> my kubuntu is running fine, if something goes wrong i may consider it
[10:58] <apokryphos> EasterSunshine: well, it's cheaper than using their CDs ;-)
[10:58] <EasterSunshine> i will download breezy once it comes out, thats my upgrade
[10:58] <Corvus> is there anyway i can activate dma for my dvd unit in the installation ?
[10:58] <apokryphos> EasterSunshine: you shouldn't be preventing yourself fromd ownloading breezy now solely because of bandwidth, really
[10:59] <HappyFool> !dma
[10:59] <Corvus> !dma
[10:59] <apokryphos> EasterSunshine: believe me, they have more than enough to cope with it :). I also doubt that they work on a "X bandwidth use -> X price". They likely have a price-plan
[10:59] <HappyFool> hmm. did ubotu msg you?
[10:59] <Corvus> :?
[10:59] <HappyFool> !dma
[10:59] <HappyFool> aargh
[10:59] <Corvus> yes...
[10:59] <cyphase> in case you haven't seen it
[10:59] <HappyFool> oh, ok. go to that wiki page
[10:59] <Corvus> [22:59] <ubotu> you already said what dma have said. <-- is a joker or something ?
[11:00] <apokryphos> HappyFool: factoid is too large for channel ;-)
[11:00] <cyphase> good read, in a way
[11:00] <Seveas> !tell me about dam
[11:00] <HappyFool> oh
[11:00] <Seveas> !tell me about dma
[11:00] <Corvus> !tell me about dma
[11:00] <jonko> zijn er hier nededrlanders
[11:00] <HappyFool> this is a new feature to me
[11:00] <apokryphos> a lot easier to just have a /msg open; or just /msg ubotu dma
[11:00] <Seveas> jonko, jazeker :)
[11:00] <Seveas> !nl
[11:00] <ubotu> Op #ubuntu-nl staat de koffie al voor je klaar.
[11:00] <Corvus> ok, reading it now
[11:01] <HappyFool> apokryphos: yeah, but i wanted corvus to see it. and that !tell thing seems kind of intrusive, but ok
[11:01] <iketurner> hey peoples.... i have a problem with the installation. The ubuntu-quick guide is not installing properly. I have the terminal log here: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1405
[11:01] <apokryphos> Seveas: is there a way to put packages on hold, for a dist-upgrade? The dpkg hold seems to be ignored for dist-upgrades
[11:01] <iketurner> any ideas?
[11:01] <amonkey> why can't i play more than one thing at a time?
[11:01] <amonkey> *audio
[11:01] <Seveas> amonkey, switched of esd?
[11:02] <amonkey> Seveas, ?
[11:02] <Seveas> apokryphos, ENOIDEA, never looked at it
[11:02] <data-nerd> Hi
[11:02] <data-nerd> I used Grub
[11:02] <apokryphos> amonkey: or if your card doesn't support mixing... you could use dmix to get around it
[11:02] <data-nerd> until i reinstalled win xp
[11:02] <data-nerd> how do i get grub back?
[11:02] <data-nerd> and how do i boot ubuntu
[11:02] <amonkey> Seveas, what do you mean? switched of?
[11:02] <HappyFool> iketurner: maybe a bad .deb file?
[11:02] <Seveas> amonkey, have you disabled esd ?
[11:03] <data-nerd> Hello?
[11:03] <Corvus> amf, i already new about hdaparm
[11:03] <asparagus> i need help configuring the pcmcia wifi card on my powerbook, it works but it cant find a signal.
[11:03] <amonkey> Seveas, no, i have to kill it when i boot up so music will play
[11:03] <iketurner> HappyFool, would a new install cd help that?
[11:03] <Seveas> data-nerd, wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[11:03] <Corvus> the problem is that i need to enable dma on install, and i don't know how to access to hdaparm
[11:03] <Seveas> amonkey, that's your problem
[11:03] <data-nerd> I have reinstalled win xp, and do not have Grub more! How can i boot up ubuntu?
[11:03] <HappyFool> iketurner: hmm, not sure
[11:03] <amonkey> Seveas, will disable
[11:03] <Seveas> teach your music player to use esd instead of killing esd
[11:03] <Corvus> i tried using hdaparm command in the install, but it isn't found
[11:03] <data-nerd> tanks seveas
[11:03] <Seveas> do NOT disable it Ambient_
[11:03] <Seveas> amonkey*
[11:04] <HappyFool> Corvus: hmm. if you use the expert install, maybe at some point you can run hdparm -- i don't know if it's available on the install cd
[11:04] <Corvus> i already used expert install, but i will try again, maybe i passed something
[11:05] <jonko> zijn er nederlanders hier
[11:05] <filip_> what is the command to move an file? i have forgot that.
[11:05] <LinuxJones> Corvus, why do you need that for installation ?
[11:05] <HappyFool> Corvus: it possibly isn't supported
[11:05] <HappyFool> jonko: /join #ubuntu-nl vir nederlands
[11:05] <tristanmike> filip_, "mv"
[11:05] <filip_> thanx
[11:05] <Stompey00> I have a quick que? I'm setting this os up for a friend and have connected anexternal modem. I was told to sodu ln -s/dev/modem/devttys0 to establish a syslink to the serial port. I'm a newbie so bear with me. I take it i do this from terminal? I tried but it said invalid command. How does one get the root in terminal like cd.. or such in widows?
[11:06] <jonko> zijn er nederlanders hier
[11:06] <Seveas> Stompey00, ln -s /dev/ttyS0 /dev/modem
[11:06] <HappyFool> jonko: daar is nederlanders in #ubuntu-nl (excuse my afrikaans)
[11:06] <Seveas> jonko, stop eens met herhalen
[11:06] <HappyFool> sudo, no sodu
[11:06] <oonoon> i can't believe win runs little c++ programs much faster than linux
[11:06] <Velox[c] > Hah! I believe a tool on windows just gave me my answer.
[11:07] <Velox[c] > I'll run it again and try it with hd1,0
[11:07] <Stompey00> will that work from name /home/ in the terminal or do I need /?
[11:07] <splitta> anyone tried colony-3 yet ?
[11:07] <LinuxJones> oonoon, what do you mean ?
[11:07] <chris> Excuse me, could anyone please be as kind as to remind me where the file that controls repositories is located?
[11:07] <HappyFool> /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:07] <HappyFool> /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:07] <chris> Thank you HappyFool
[11:07] <Velox[c] > Stompyey00: It'll work from home as its a full path.
[11:07] <HappyFool> for an more-or-less complete example, see below
[11:07] <HappyFool> !repos
[11:07] <ubotu> repos is, like, totally, at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[11:08] <Stompey00> thnks
[11:08] <oonoon> LinuxJones : run some stupid program that counts to one billion, u'll see that win runs it 5 to 10% faster than linux does... really surprising ; i'm a bitdisappointed
[11:08] <bimberi> Stompey00, you will need the sudo at the front too :)
[11:08] <bimberi> too late
[11:09] <splitta> anyone tried colony-3 yet ? any showstoppers ?
[11:09] <Seveas> oonoon, use compiler optimizations...
[11:09] <HappyFool> Velox[c] : let us know if it works
[11:09] <LinuxJones> oonoon, well do you have unnecessary stuff running in the background or are other users logged in ?
[11:09] <TheWalrus> anyone here experienced with setting up VNC on boot up in Ubuntu?
[11:10] <Seveas> TheWalrus, try freenx instead, it's much better
[11:10] <HappyFool> and do you have the same level of exception handling/run time type checking / blah blah. this sort of thing is not referred to as benchmarketing for nothing ;)
[11:10] <Velox[c] > I'll definately have X-Chat open here 24/7 if it does =)
[11:10] <TheWalrus> i will look into it
[11:11] <chris> :-O I just made changes to sources.list, how do I save after I did sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list and made the changes?
[11:11] <HappyFool> chris: ':wq'
[11:11] <Seveas> TheWalrus, a repository for it: deb http://ubuntulinux.nl/ /
[11:11] <data-nerd> Cya
[11:11] <data-nerd> bye
[11:11] <filip_> can someone tell me exactly how to to when i whant to install an splash screen? http://art.gnome.org/faq.php#q8
[11:11] <HappyFool> chris: ESC first (to get to command mode)
[11:11] <data-nerd> http://mobil.data-nerd.com
[11:11] <data-nerd> http://mobil.data-nerd.com
[11:11] <data-nerd> http://mobil.data-nerd.com
[11:11] <Seveas> stupid spammer
[11:11] <chris> HappyFool: thanks again, it's been a while and this is only my second time using this
[11:11] <HappyFool> chris: you might find 'nano' a bit easier
[11:11] <HappyFool> than vim, i mean
[11:12] <filip_> i have gone in to /apps/gnome-session/options but dont know what to do.
[11:12] <oonoon> LinuxJones : nothing, I even tried to quit X, to improve as much, but yet, win's the fastest grrrrr
[11:12] <TheGnome> anyone else find that the gnome-media update breaks sound in videos
[11:12] <chris> HappyFool: Yes, that's what I used last time, I couldn't remember the name of it
[11:12] <oonoon> Seveas : i hoped that g++ was already a good compilator, it is so famous (for win i use dev-c++)
[11:12] <wdh> hi ppls.. does anyone know how to get the 'Debian' menu?? on a previous install i had it sitting under 'Applications'
[11:12] <Seveas> oonoon, use g++ -O3
[11:13] <oonoon> Seveas : -03 ? what's that ?
[11:13] <HappyFool> i thought dev-c++ used cygwin?
[11:13] <Seveas> wdh, install 'menu' (and smeg)
[11:13] <Seveas> oonoon, -O3, not -03
[11:13] <Seveas> it means optimization
[11:13] <TheGnome> wdh, in ubuntu
[11:13] <oonoon> Seveas : ok ok , but what does it mean ?
[11:13] <Seveas> makes the compiler work harder to give you faster code
[11:14] <Belutz> Seveas: how to add something in crontab?
[11:14] <_meph_> hi
[11:14] <HappyFool> oonoon: i think dev-c++ uses gcc/g++ under the hood anyway
[11:14] <_meph_> What's the root password for the live cd?
[11:14] <Seveas> Belutz, crontab -e (as user) or $EDITOR /etc/crontab (as root)
[11:14] <Seveas> _meph_, there is none
[11:14] <oonoon> HappyFool : that's even more surprising then, for devc to be more advanced
[11:14] <HappyFool> oonoon: benchmarking is a difficult art
[11:14] <Belutz> Seveas: thx :)
[11:15] <Kira> How do I search for a file by file name in the terminal?
[11:15] <_meph_> Seveas: It wont let me mount a samba network share since I'm not root... any hints?
[11:15] <Seveas> _meph_, use sudo
[11:15] <oonoon> Seveas : whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaao
[11:15] <Seveas> oonoon, ?
[11:15] <oonoon> Seveas : what's that -O3 , i got a world record
[11:15] <splitta> anyone tried colony-3 yet ? any showstoppers ?
[11:15] <Seveas> oonoon, hehehe :)
[11:15] <HappyFool> oonoon: you need to discover all possible discrepancies between the systems; also, consider using different workloads (counting is not especially representative, imo)
[11:15] <oonoon> Seveas : that's huge, i divided by almost a factor 4, the execution time
[11:16] <Seveas> HappyFool, benchmarks are crap anyway :)
[11:16] <TheGnome> hey if i comment out my cd as a source.....it will grab packages from the net that it would usually get from the cd right?
[11:16] <HappyFool> Seveas: as produced by marketers, maybe, but they can give some indication of performance
[11:16] <LinuxJones> oonoon, so now Microsoft is 400 % slower now ?
[11:16] <HappyFool> heh
[11:17] <r0bby> TheGnome, yes
[11:17] <pajaraco> hi
[11:17] <r0bby> you should comment out your cd anyways, as the packages on the net are likely newer
[11:17] <pajaraco> moin
[11:17] <TheGnome> r0bby, ok thanks
[11:17] <d2dchat> how do i upgrade things like firefox?
[11:17] <oonoon> LinuxJones: yeah , MS is beaten, by far
[11:17] <d2dchat> is there a command in ubuntu that acts like emerge in gentoo?
[11:18] <oonoon> Seveas : shhhh, i dont understand your stuff, whats that option ? maybe it does also exist on devc
[11:18] <spritey> d2dchat, well, apt?
[11:18] <LinuxJones> oonoon, that would make a great "Unbiased TCO Study" for development environments :D
[11:18] <d2dchat> apt?
[11:18] <crimsun> apt-get build-dep $package && apt-get -b source $package
[11:18] <d2dchat> spritey, is the comand apt?
[11:18] <oonoon> LinuxJones: yeah, my comparative study does not pretend to any kind of generality ;)
[11:19] <LinuxJones> oonoon, ;)
[11:19] <spritey> d2dchat, no direct .... more apt-get
[11:19] <dech> Hi all, anyone here know anything about ATI drivers ?
[11:19] <spritey> dech, i hate them ...
[11:19] <blueyed> How can I use redirect/piping of output with sudo? Like doing the following all for the user: "sudo -u web7 echo test>test.tmp" - would I need to create a script?
[11:19] <dech> Hehe
[11:19] <oonoon> Seveas : do u keep your secret for yourself ? :-)
[11:19] <TheGnome> dech, i do
[11:19] <d2dchat> spritey, more apt-get ? what does it do exactly?
[11:19] <dech> I installed them and my et crashes ran glxgears and i get about 100fps-1000fps
[11:20] <TheGnome> dech, and i think they are great
[11:20] <dech> TheGnome care to help me then ? :)
[11:20] <spritey> d2dchat, its install or remove .deb packages from internet or etc. for searching packages do apt-cache search [package]
[11:20] <yath> d2dchat: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html
[11:21] <TheGnome> dech, yeah i will try my best...pm me
[11:21] <chris> What is a good xmms replacement?
[11:21] <pang> hi
[11:21] <spritey> dech, i think u have to recompile your kernel
[11:21] <Seveas> chris, beep-media-player
[11:21] <d2dchat> Also, i have a question about wireless drivers, does ubuntu come with wireless drivers? or do u need to install them?
[11:21] <Seveas> oonoon, -O3 is a compiler optimization, read the manpage for g++ for more details
[11:21] <chris> Seveas, Thank you.
[11:22] <omp342> would HL2 work with WINE?
[11:22] <omp342> or will i need cedega?
[11:22] <yath> d2dchat: many are supported, it depends what adapter you have exactly.
[11:22] <oonoon> Seveas : ok thx
[11:22] <spritey> d2dchat, my iBook works very well with wlan
[11:22] <TheGnome> omp342, doesnt work with either
[11:22] <omp342> =o
[11:22] <d2dchat> So i just need to look around?:)
[11:22] <spritey> d2dchat, without doing something special
[11:22] <TheWalrus> im having a problem getting freenx to install. When i update my source list to get the freenx release it will not connect to the sources anyone know if they are down or if there are new sources?
[11:22] <Seveas> TheWalrus, which repository do you use for freenx?
[11:23] <TheWalrus> this is what im following
[11:23] <yath> d2dchat: do "iwconfig" and if you see info, the driver is loaded. Else look in "lspci" and try to find the driver.
[11:23] <TheGnome> how do i restart alsa?
[11:23] <TheWalrus> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeNX
[11:23] <Seveas> bad idea
[11:23] <Seveas> I'll update that page now
[11:23] <Velox> !grub
[11:23] <ubotu> rumour has it, grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[11:23] <Seveas> TheWalrus, check that page in ~15 minutes
[11:23] <TheWalrus> ok i will
[11:23] <r0bby> !ndiswrappers
[11:23] <ubotu> r0bby: Syntax error in line 1
[11:23] <TheWalrus> thank you
[11:24] <Kira> !ndiswrapper
[11:24] <ubotu> hmm... ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[11:24] <d2dchat> says there are no wireless connections in lo, eth0 and the other one
[11:24] <d2dchat> sit0
[11:24] <mpmc> !info music
[11:24] <yath> d2dchat: no extensions
[11:24] <zerboxx_away> Is there a way to see if someone is connected to my computer through ssh?
[11:24] <zerboxx_away> and to see if they leave :)?
[11:24] <d2dchat> yes, no extentions
[11:24] <lampshade> netstat
[11:24] <lampshade> or maybe who
[11:25] <lampshade> try who, does who show that stuff?
[11:25] <omp342> TheGnome, according to linux-gamers.net you can get steam running with cedega
[11:25] <yath> d2dchat: then the adapter is less than well-supported :/ try lspci to identify it
[11:25] <omp342> TheGnome, so won't that mean you can play HL2
[11:25] <zerboxx_away> who shows my name twice, and root once
[11:25] <d2dchat> 0000:00:09.0 Network controller: RaLink Ralink RT2500 802.11 Cardbus Reference C ard (rev 01)
[11:25] <Velox> Hmm, hd0,0 is ex2fs, but that didn't appear to work.
[11:25] <d2dchat> i think that is what i want
[11:25] <lampshade> zerboxx_away: I would say who or netstat I think would be able to do it. I'm kinda noob at this obviously :)
[11:25] <d2dchat> i found it in lspci
[11:25] <zerboxx_away> lampshade: Seems good, thanks :)
[11:26] <d2dchat> yath, http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html
[11:26] <d2dchat> woops
[11:26] <d2dchat> yath, 0000:00:09.0 Network controller: RaLink Ralink RT2500 802.11 Cardbus Reference C ard (rev 01)
[11:26] <yath> d2dchat: try modprobe ray_cs
[11:26] <Kira> I can't run yelp. Permission denied. o_O
[11:27] <yath> and then iwconfig
[11:27] <d2dchat> WARNING: Error inserting pcmcia_core (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/pcmcia_core.ko): Operation not permitted
[11:27] <d2dchat> WARNING: Error inserting pcmcia (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/pcmcia.ko): Operation not permitted
[11:27] <d2dchat> FATAL: Error inserting ray_cs (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ray_cs.ko): Operation not permitted
[11:27] <LinuxJones> d2dchat, please stop spamming in here
[11:27] <Seveas> TheWalrus, page is updated now
[11:27] <d2dchat> sorry:(
[11:27] <TheWalrus> thank you
[11:27] <d2dchat> LinuxJones, Very unintentional
[11:27] <yath> d2dchat: I don't often say to use sudo, but it's necessary for most stuff like this
[11:27] <LinuxJones> d2dchat, I know it happens :)
[11:27] <d2dchat> yath, not sure how to use sudo
[11:27] <TheWalrus> should i use both of those /'s or just one?
[11:28] <Seveas> both
[11:28] <yath> $ sudo modprobe ray_cs
[11:28] <TheWalrus> ok
[11:28] <Seveas> with a space in between
[11:28] <d2dchat> LinuxJones, I just forgot how useful the middle mouse button was so i was abusing it;)
[11:29] <ilba7r> anyone know where i can find information on the recent kernel update for the linux-image-k7?
[11:29] <ilba7r> i just want to know what is the update about so i can decide if it is worth upgrading
[11:29] <Seveas> it has a security upgrade
[11:29] <cyphase> what's that utility that generates a map of your filesystem usage?
[11:30] <HappyFool> cyphase: df maybe?
[11:30] <Seveas> ilba7r, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/usn/usn-169-1
[11:30] <ilba7r> is there a security risk in the old kernel
[11:30] <amonkey> Seveas, i did the thing and it still doesn't work. don't have to kill esd to make it work, but still only one thing at a time
[11:30] <cyphase> nvm, got it
[11:30] <cyphase> filelight
[11:30] <hajiki> anyone have problems with sound (not getting any) with totem-xine and flash plugin for firefox?
[11:30] <ilba7r> thanx seveas
[11:30] <cyphase> very useful tool
[11:30] <Seveas> amonkey, you should have read what i said
[11:30] <Seveas> you should NOT disable esd
[11:31] <Seveas> and simply teach your applications to *use* it
[11:31] <yath> ilba7r: linux-image-2.6.12-7 ?
[11:31] <yath> woops
[11:31] <cyphase> i'm all for diversity, but linux needs a standard sound interface
[11:32] <crimsun> cyphase: it has an API. In fact, it has 2.
[11:32] <yath> anyone here using breezy colony 3?
[11:32] <cyphase> yath, i'm downloading it
[11:32] <cyphase> crimsun, 2 is one to many
[11:33] <yath> cyphase: are you using a laptop? my battery monitor isn't working right
[11:33] <crimsun> cyphase: tell that to the OSS detractors
[11:33] <TheWalrus> So do I have to do anything to configure FreeNX so that I can login to Ubuntu from the login screen remotely?
[11:33] <cyphase> yath, downloading..
[11:33] <cyphase> yath, but i have a breezy live cd loaded on a laptop behind me
[11:33] <cyphase> battery monitor is fine
[11:33] <tristanmike> crimsun, i was told you were the person to ask about sound, do you mind, i have a question
[11:33] <yath> hmm
[11:33] <crimsun> tristanmike: shoot
[11:33] <benplaut_> how often does nickserv make sure people are actually gone?
[11:34] <Seveas> TheWalrus, no
[11:34] <Seveas> only the things on that wikipage
[11:34] <tristanmike> crimsun, ok thanx, sound is fine, it's more of a tweaking issue, I want to get my rear speakers working
[11:34] <TheWalrus> ok thanks
[11:34] <Seveas> benplaut_, /msg nickserv ghost benplaut YOUR_PASSWORD
[11:34] <crimsun> tristanmike: did you adjust the Surround volume using amixer (or another mixer)?
[11:34] <tristanmike> crimsun, I have a soundblaster Live! card and I used the speaker test and know I can get sound to them
[11:35] <amonkey> Seveas, sorry, i thought you meant the thing on ubuntu guide about esd (how to make sound work in gnome) that's what i did.
[11:35] <tristanmike> crimsun, yes, I have used aslamixer and the "obvious" settings are all at 100%
[11:35] <nudnick> Can anyone help me out? My system is hanging when i get to a certian point in the installaion. It hangs during the detect hardware part while it says "Starting PC Card Services..."
[11:35] <benplaut> ah, that worked :P
[11:35] <Seveas> amonkey, that piece of ubuntuguide is utter crap
[11:35] <tristanmike> crimsun, however, if i do adjust something in alsamixer, do i need to restart alsa for the changes to take affect?
[11:35] <amonkey> what do you suggest instead
[11:35] <EasterSunshine> wiki
[11:36] <nudnick> anyone?
[11:36] <crimsun> tristanmike: please paste the output from amixer onto paste.ubuntulinux.nl and tell me the URL. No, you don't need to restart ALSA.
[11:36] <tristanmike> how do I get the output aside from the gui, or is that what you mean?
[11:36] <EasterSunshine> amonkey: wiki.ubuntu.org or something... the wiki pages for ubuntu
[11:36] <nudnick> Can anyone help me out when they get a chance?
[11:37] <Seveas> amonkey, as I said 2 times already: keeping esd enabled and teaching your application to use it...
[11:37] <tristanmike> crimsun, how do I get the output aside from the gui, or is that what you mean?, sorry
[11:37] <crimsun> tristanmike: from a Terminal
[11:37] <jtan325> man i am having the weirdest problem with gaim. i can log in to my yahoo and msn accounts, but my aim account seems to freeze on the login process, either on the "connecting" part or "receiving authroization". i am pretty sure the aim account is alright, because i tried remote desktopping into my work computer and was able to log in there (using gaim). any ideas?
[11:38] <blk> does somebody know about the state of keyboard-layouts in breezy? i can't seem to get de_CH working - it is set in gconf aswell as in xorg.conf, when switching from the keyboard-pref.-gui i get an "error activating XKB conf."
[11:38] <tristanmike> crimsun, yeah, sorry, i should have been more specific, do you mean post sudo alsamixer?
[11:38] <crimsun> tristanmike: no, open a Terminal, type amixer, then post that output
[11:39] <SolitaryCritic> I just installed ubuntu on my other computer and after it told me to remove the disc and restart it said Operating System not Found
[11:39] <omp342> hmm
[11:39] <tristanmike> crimsun, gotch
[11:39] <SolitaryCritic> whats the problem
[11:39] <nudnick> SolitaryCritic -
[11:39] <nudnick> Can anyone help me out? My system is hanging when i get to a certian point in the installaion. It hangs during the detect hardware part while it says "Starting PC Card Services..."
[11:39] <nudnick> thats my problem
[11:40] <omp342> would it be stupid to not use the amd64 version of ubuntu if i have a 64-bit processor?
[11:40] <tristanmike> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1407
[11:40] <benplaut> nudnick, laptop?
[11:40] <_meph_> hey is there a way to use dd with a stream instead of a file
[11:40] <_meph_> for the input
[11:41] <tristanmike> crimsun, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1407 sorry, :(
[11:41] <TheWalrus> Ok so when I try to login to the machine with FreeNX from the FreeNX windows Client I have it gives me an error stating "The inititialization of the local X Server Failed. Error is: Cannot find the 'tmp' mount point in the registry."
[11:41] <Velox> >_< die GRUB!
[11:41] <dech> thanks EasterSunshine
[11:41] <nudnick> benplaut
[11:41] <nudnick> yes
[11:42] <benplaut> take out all your cardbus/pcmcia cards
[11:42] <crimsun> tristanmike: you skipped the "Wave ..." ones. They're all set to 0 vol.
[11:42] <nudnick> i dont have any in
[11:42] <hoffmanos> hola
[11:42] <benplaut> oh
[11:42] <benplaut> nudnick, i dunno...
[11:43] <TheWalrus> does that mean that something is configured wrong on the Ubuntu box or on my Windows machine?
[11:43] <lurah> http://koti.phnet.fi/heinkai/images/sekaa/fart.jpg
[11:43] <lurah> :D
[11:43] <tristanmike> crimsun, ok, i wouldn't have turned those up in my quest, I wouldn't have thought they'd have anything to do with it
[11:43] <ThreeDayMonk> Hi. I'm building a package that's not available in the repos (a ruby library for chasen, a japanese morphological analyser). I can build the library OK, but when I try to use it in Ruby, I get "chasen.so: undefined symbol: _Znwj". According to c++filt, that's new(). Google turns up nothing. What can I do?
[11:44] <nudnick> benplaut, what else do you think the problem could be
[11:44] <TheGnome> nobody else was effected by the gnome-media update?
[11:44] <nudnick> there are no cards or anythin
[11:44] <benplaut> nudnick, i dunno...
[11:44] <nudnick> anyone else got any ideas?
[11:45] <tristanmike> crimsun, OMG you're a F'n God, I got a little fuzz going on, but it's there
[11:45] <crimsun> nudnick: you can disable the loading of pcmcia drivers from the boot line
[11:45] <tristanmike> crimsun, the fuzz is from the front two speakers only
[11:45] <nudnick> how do i do that
[11:45] <benplaut> in breezy, can i add the hoary repos to my list so i can get java?
[11:46] <crimsun> nudnick: see the help by pressing F3 when the boot line appears when you boot from the installer cd
[11:46] <crimsun> tristanmike: you might want to turn down Surround, then
[11:47] <tristanmike> crimsun, yeah, absolutely, I'll tinker, thank you so very much
[11:47] <tristanmike> UBUNTU ROCKS!!!!
[11:47] <TheGnome> yes
[11:47] <TheGnome> it does
[11:47] <benplaut> we know :P
[11:47] <nudnick> crimsun. would you mind walking me through it i'm really new to linux
[11:47] <tristanmike> I know, I just got excited
[11:47] <hardw1re> hmmm just checking the ubuntu amd 64 packages, and i noticed on the forum they said there was no wine. is there a way to get it running on hoary5.04 amd 64, or is there no chance?
[11:48] <Velox> Ubuntu rocks, GRUB sucks :P
[11:48] <crimsun> nudnick: when you boot from the installer cd, there's an orange Ubuntu screen that shows up
[11:48] <benplaut> agreed
[11:48] <nudnick> would it be like boot: pcmcia:off ?
[11:48] <crimsun> nudnick: press F3
[11:48] <ThreeDayMonk> Velox: Yes. Yes, it does.
[11:48] <crimsun> nudnick: something along those lines
[11:48] <nudnick> i'm at that screen
[11:48] <ompaul> !irclog
[11:48] <ubotu> ompaul: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[11:48] <Velox> Maybe LILO would work better for me.
[11:48] <hardw1re> oooh is someone talking about grub?
[11:48] <Velox> GRUB is evil.
[11:48] <Velox> GRUB won't load.
[11:48] <TheGnome> i like grub
[11:48] <nudnick> that dosen't work
[11:49] <ThreeDayMonk> grub is especially problematic on old computers that can't access the whole disk through bios
[11:49] <crimsun> nudnick: F1?
[11:49] <hardw1re> my windows os sits on a sata drive, in order to boot from it i have to tell my bios to boot that drive 1st, grub doesnt seem to be able to boot my windows os
[11:49] <TheGnome> i have a sata drive that works fine
[11:49] <hardw1re> yeah well linux sits on an ide drive
[11:49] <nudnick> crimsun: I hit F1. then hit F3. then i type in pcmcia=off and hit enter but it dosen't accept it
[11:50] <hardw1re> and installs to the boot of that disk
[11:50] <crimsun> nudnick: you need to type the image name first.
[11:50] <Velox> hardw1re: thats alot like my situation. I have two drives, 120gb SATA and 40gb IDE. Linux is on the IDE drive, installed it, set my BIOS to boot from IDE drive and GRUB doesn't load.
[11:50] <hardw1re> so to boot linux i set the bios to run that drive 1st, to boot windows i have to edit the other drive
[11:50] <crimsun> nudnick: linux pcmcia=off
[11:50] <ThreeDayMonk> all you kids with SATA - I have never even *seen* an SATA drive :-(
[11:50] <benplaut> in breezy, can i add the hoary repos to my list so i can get java?
[11:50] <crimsun> ThreeDayMonk: don't worry, they still break when you throw them off a skyscraper
[11:50] <hardw1re> (IDE Interfaces):[PCI device 10de:00e5 (nVidia Corporation) (rev 162)]
[11:50] <Spudchat> did anyone get video out to work with a nvidia geforce 6800 go?
[11:50] <hardw1re> hmm
[11:50] <hardw1re> thats not what i was looking for
[11:50] <loupous> join #ubuntu-fr
[11:51] <Spudchat> i looked at the documentation and did what it said but i still have no luck :(
[11:51] <ThreeDayMonk> crimsun: heh. I dropped a 250GB disk last weekend. Not good.
[11:51] <nudnick> crimsun. i typed in linux pcmcia:off but it still stalls there
[11:51] <TheGnome> wow that sun-j2re1.5 package actually links to firefox correctly noqw
[11:51] <nudnick> will you be on later because i have to go
[11:52] <crimsun> nudnick: I may, but ping me first
[11:52] <hardw1re> well basically grub is trying to boot from the wrong place to try and boot windows
[11:52] <crimsun> argh, silly Digital_Warrior0
[11:52] <hardw1re> windows is on sda5
[11:52] <hardw1re> and linux is on hda5
[11:52] <TheWalrus> Now I am getting an Error Unknown when trying to login using FreeNX any suggestions?
[11:53] <Scrawny1> hey guys I've used google and can't find a thing, what I'm looking for a .deb bible program that I can use for Ubuntu, can anyone possibly help?
[11:53] <Tatster> hi - I have a permissions problem that I'm not sure how to solve. anthony@beta:/$ sudo chmod 777 scsi/
[11:53] <Tatster> chmod: changing permissions of `scsi/': Read-only file system
[11:54] <crimsun> Scrawny1: aptitude search bible
[11:54] <hardw1re> .deb bible?
[11:54] <kemik> Tatster: have you mounted your SCSI drive as Read-Only ?
[11:55] <hardw1re> Spudchat: i have a 6800 running here but i dont se the video out
[11:55] <Spudchat> ok
[11:55] <Tatster> I didn't think I did - here is the line from /etc/fstab - /dev/sda1 /scsi ext3 defaults 0 0
[11:55] <nariman> HELP!
[11:55] <Scrawny1> ok I've found bibletime how do I pull it and get it installed?
[11:56] <nariman> i try to run Gta2 on my wine
[11:56] <nariman> (fresh installed)
[11:56] <ThreeDayMonk> Scrawny1: maybe you'd find synaptic easier
[11:56] <nariman> and it gta2 complains about it cant find language files
[11:56] <ThreeDayMonk> but if you are in the console, sudo apt-get install bibletime
[11:56] <LinuxJones> d2dchat, sorry was afk
[11:56] <nariman> whats wrong??
[11:57] <Tatster> kemik: Is that correct?
[11:57] <Scrawny1> I got an error when I tried that :(
[11:57] <kemik> Tatster: looks sort of correct yes
[11:57] <ThreeDayMonk> Scrawny1: what kind of error?
[11:57] <thekman> apt-get install bibletime
[11:57] <Tatster> sort of? Is that good or bad?
[11:58] <kemik> Tatster: if you do a "ls -lha" on the device "root-dir" see what permissions it has and owner
[11:58] <kemik> Tatster: and use pastebin if the output is > 2 lines
[11:59] <yath> heh d2dchat has serious paste issues
[11:59] <SolitaryCritic> I tried intalling ubuntu again and it said operating system not found after I restarted
[11:59] <Scrawny1> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution) <----this is the error I get
[11:59] <TheWalrus> Now I am getting an Error Unknown while the client is setting up the X Enviroment when trying to login using FreeNX anyone know why this is occuring or how to fix it?
[11:59] <d2dchat> LinuxJones, np, you just missing my spam
[11:59] <d2dchat> LinuxJones, ;)
[11:59] <ThreeDayMonk> Scrawny1: you've been messing around with .debs?
[12:00] <Scrawny1> ah no this is the first time this has happened
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[10:25] <Kynoo> Hi
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2005-08-24-#ubuntu-devel
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[12:06] <bur[n] er> anyone know what other package besides xorg-common needs to be reconfigured when upgrading from hoary to breezy?
[12:14] <bur[n] er> disregard that msg... reconfigure xserver-xorg was all that was needed
[12:14] <doko> lamont: pitti was looking at #13486
[12:15] <lamont> doko: he looked at it long enough to discover that -O1 works around the gcc issue...
[12:15] <lamont> I don't think he was looking at it still....
[12:36] <mdz> doko: gcc-3.3 wants to move to universe
[12:36] <mdz> o gcj-3.3 libgcj4 libgcj4-awt libgcj4-common libgcj4-dev {gcc-3.3}
[12:36] <mdz> not the source, but those binaries
[12:38] <Keybuk> a fresh breezy install actually feels quite nice
[12:38] <doko> mdz: these binaries aren't built anymore, they should vanish automatically?
[12:39] <doko> mdz: but wait, please keep it in main, we currently need gnat-3.3 as a build dep.
[12:40] <elmo> mdz: I just did a rene run that might help
[12:40] <elmo> anastacia always wants to demote NBS stuff
[12:44] <mdz> Keybuk: did you get accosted by the autofiends?
[12:44] <aroman> I'm trying to track down a bug in breezy related to i810 and Xorg. I'm getting an error: *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x<address> ***. Now I'm not sure how to go about this bug. Is there any way to enable more messages from Xorg?
[12:44] <Keybuk> no :) I may have upset them a bit though
[12:44] <mdz> Keybuk: yeah, colony 3 actually feels pretty good, belying the pain of its production
[12:45] <Keybuk> mdz: only through pain can art and beauty be acheived
[12:45] <mdz> aroman: Xorg logs detailed messages to /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[12:45] <aroman> mdz, more detailed than that :P
[12:45] <mdz> Keybuk: and art can be reduced to pain
[12:45] <mdz> Keybuk: or is it beauty?
[12:46] <Keybuk> dunno, we should consult jbailey; he's the expert on combining the three
[12:46] <aroman> is there a way to find out which version of gcc a binary has been compiled with?
[12:46] <mdz> aroman: what do you want, a log of every function call?
[12:46] <aroman> mdz, wouldn't mind that :)
[12:46] <Keybuk> I strace'd X once, it actually worked
[12:46] <mdz> aroman: then no, there isn't a way to get that
[12:46] <aroman> mdz, darn.
[12:46] <jbailey> Keybuk: Err...
[12:47] <doko> aroman: hmm, look at the build logs ...
[12:47] <doko> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/
[12:47] <aroman> k
[12:48] <jbailey> aroman: Some binaries have the information in a comments header.
[12:48] <Mez> keybuk: did you go tonight?
[12:48] <Nafallo> doko: I might have a bug for you ;-)
[12:48] <Nafallo> doko: Ubuntu isn't recognised in the default spellchecks in Ubuntu ;-)
[12:49] <aroman> jbailey, in the binary itself?
[12:49] <aroman> cuz.. it seems like Xorg is being built with gcc-4.0
[12:49] <aroman> but 2.6.12-latest is being built with gcc-3.4
[12:50] <aroman> now.. the i915 driver is in the kernel distribution, and I'm not sure how well they work together
[12:50] <Mez> jbailey, I think Scott might have had one too many
[12:50] <Keybuk> Mez: yeah, wasn't a huge turn-out, but was fun
[12:51] <doko> Nafallo: no, it's a bug that "Debian" is recognized.
[12:51] <Nafallo> doko: hehe
[12:51] <Nafallo> depends on how you look at it ;-)
[12:52] <aroman> X -version will say it's compiled with 3.4.5
[12:52] <aroman> hrm
[12:52] <jbailey> Mez: No, he's just begging for one more... And I won't let him have it. =)
[12:53] <SloMoSnail> aroman: X -version tells you the compiler used for the kernel... but not the one used for X ;)
[12:53] <jbailey> aroman: Hmm, someone asked this the other day, and I thought we figured out that strip didn't rip it out of the comments field.
[12:53] <jbailey> But I don't see it in any of my binaries here.
[12:54] <mjg59> jdub: Pls forward admin details kthxbi
[12:54] <jdub> mjg59: aha
[12:54] <jdub> mjg59: righto
[12:54] <aroman> SloMo, aha...
[12:54] <mjg59> jdub: Thanks!
[12:55] <aroman> jbailey, so what? it's a strip bug :S
[12:55] <Nafallo> jdub: mailinglist? :-)
[12:55] <jbailey> aroman: =)
[12:56] <aroman> jbailey, I haven't done much "real" development. I know C/C++, but I haven't used all these programs like strip, etc... what exactly does strip do? afaik it strips debug information..
[12:57] <jbailey> Oh, hmm. Current Debian unstable on ia64 doesn't strip the data out. Current breezy on ppc does.
[12:57] <jbailey> It was in a Debian channel, so I was likely using the ia64 for the testing.
[12:58] <jbailey> aroman: By default, even without specifying -g, The compiler, linker, and assembler may put extra bits into your binary.
[12:58] <aroman> and strip removes the unneccesary code
[12:58] <jbailey> strip removes all the things that it knows you don't need to run the program.
[12:58] <aroman> ok
[12:58] <jbailey> Right.
[12:58] <aroman> that makes sense
[12:59] <aroman> well I'm having a weird X problem... basically X just dies without any error in the log.
[12:59] <jbailey> aroman: If you want to see a simple example, write a hello world file in C, and do a "gcc -S hello.c"
[12:59] <jbailey> And then look at what's in hello.
[12:59] <jbailey> s
[12:59] <aroman> XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0"
[01:00] <jbailey> aroman: Are you currently running as the same user you logged in as?
[01:00] <jbailey> My first guess is that you just don't have rights to the socket.
[01:00] <aroman> um
[01:00] <aroman> X doesn't start at all..
[01:01] <aroman> and I tried running startx or even just X as root
[01:01] <aroman> so this is with i810 driver (i915 in the kernel)
[01:01] <aroman> with vesa as my driver it works
[01:01] <aroman> so I do believe it is a i810 driver problem
[01:01] <jbailey> Trying 'strace startx'. It'll give you a lot of information but somewhere in the 4 or 5 pages before it dies, you should see some syscall return an error.
[01:02] <jbailey> Ah, hmm.
[01:02] <jbailey> I don't know enough about X to guess that.
[01:02] <jbailey> Connection reset by peer is usually a permissions error of some sort for me. Beyond that, I just sit in the corner and look sad until someone helps me.
[01:02] <aroman> by the way I am running latest hoary...
[01:03] <aroman> well I had this error waaaay back a few years in redhat 7.2 or 8... and it was an X problem which got fixed in an update...
[01:03] <aroman> and it was not a permissions problem
[01:03] <aroman> strace is interesting
[01:03] <jbailey> With X, anything is possible. =)
[01:04] <jbailey> It's sort of like a million monkeys got together to code it... Except that they were really bright monkeys who only had obscure hardware to work with.
[01:07] <aroman> what the frau!?
[01:08] <aroman> this is a line from sudo strace X 2> xlog && less xlog
[01:08] <aroman> open("/dev/tty". O_RDWR|O_NONBLOCK|O_NOCTTY) = -1 ENXIO (No such device or address)
[01:09] <aroman> and after this the glibc error gets printed
[01:09] <aroman> now.. why is it trying to get /dev/tty?
[01:09] <jbailey> Better question is "why is it failing"
[01:09] <aroman> yeah..
[01:09] <jbailey> Certainly on my system /dev/tty is 666
[01:09] <aroman> the device is there
[01:09] <aroman> and EVERYONE has rw permissions..
[01:10] <aroman> same
[01:10] <aroman> 666
[01:10] <aroman> crw-rw-rw
[01:10] <aroman> I guess c because it's a device node
[01:10] <aroman> hmm this is really interesting..
[01:11] <jbailey> aroman: "character device"
[01:11] <aroman> jbailey, ah
[01:11] <jbailey> It means that you can send things to it one byte at a time and expect it to be useful. It also tends to be sequential read and writes only.
[01:11] <jbailey> The other option you'll usually see in devices is 'b' for block device.
[01:12] <aroman> god I need to eat something... I'll be back in 5 minutes...thanks for the insight jbailey... talk to you in a few
[01:12] <jbailey> aroman: Anytime. =)
[01:14] <mjg59> jdub: No mail from you...
[01:16] <jdub> hrm
[01:23] <Keybuk> jbailey, aroman: you mean other than the fact you can't open /dev/tty O_NONBLOCK?
[01:24] <Keybuk> at least, I don't think you can
[01:24] <jbailey> No idea. The definetly gets into the realm of maybe crawling a bit too far into X's source code. =)
[01:24] <mdz> doko: all of the lapack/atlas3 stuff is still pending in anastacia
[01:26] <mdz> elmo: whoa, stuff is showing up in anastacia that isn't even present in breezy
[01:26] <elmo> after a cron.sync run?
[01:27] <mdz> elmo: not directly after, no
[01:27] <mdz> I did one perhaps an hour ago
[01:28] <elmo> example?
[01:28] <mdz> o libosmesa4-xorg libosmesa4-xorg-dbg libosmesa4-xorg-dev {xorg}
[01:28] <mdz> [Reverse-Depends: Supported seed, libosmesa4-xorg-dev]
[01:28] <mdz> o libebook1.2-3 {evolution-data-server}
[01:28] <mdz> [Reverse-Depends: contact-lookup-applet]
[01:28] <elmo> yeah, that will show up
[01:28] <elmo> she doesn't know to check the database to see if the binaries still exist
[01:28] <mdz> is that because you ran rene after I ran cron.sync?
[01:28] <elmo> ("SQL is hard, let's go shopping")
[01:28] <elmo> yeah
[01:28] <mdz> ok
[01:29] <elmo> (I could fix it, but I'm lazy and just keep rerunning cron.sync)
[01:30] <Nafallo> wow! more and more proof those are real women. elmo quotes them :-P.
[01:37] <Keybuk> Nafallo: all of the dak suite are named after someone in particular
[01:40] <Nafallo> Keybuk: yay! I thought that was just a rumour :-).
[01:46] <aroman> k that took longer than 5 minutes...
[01:47] <aroman> so.. back to my error...
[01:47] <aroman> Xorg with i810 driver and i915 kernel module
[01:47] <aroman> open("/dev/tty". O_RDWR|O_NONBLOCK|O_NOCTTY) = -1 ENXIO (No such device or address)
[01:48] <aroman> this is a line of sudo strace X
[01:48] <aroman> after that I get *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x<address> ***
[01:49] <aroman> why am I not able to open /dev/tty? it's permissions are 666, not to mention the fact I am running X as root
[01:54] <aroman> what's interesting, is that using the vesa module, it succeeds in opening "/dev/tty", O_RDWR
[01:54] <aroman> there must be something related to i810 (xorg), i915 (kernel drm) and xorg
[01:54] <mdz> the tty error is most likely unrelated to your problem
[01:55] <aroman> mdz, it's what I figured by now, but after that error, X just dies without any error in the log
[01:56] <aroman> I DO get a bunch of vm86old(<address>) = -1 ENOSYS (Function not implemented)
[01:57] <mdz> aroman: install the debug version of the X server, run it under gdb, and get a backtrace from the crash
[01:57] <aroman> mdz, apt-get install xorg-debug?
[01:58] <aroman> xserver-xorg-dbg
[02:02] <aroman> total success lol
[02:02] <aroman> I ran sudo gdb Xorg-dbg and that froze the machine
[02:13] <jbailey> Hmm, The right apple key is called "Right win key" in gnome. That's probably not right. =)
[02:17] <carstenh> iirc it it mapped to the same keycode, so gnome could not know this :)
[03:16] <jbailey> carstenh: Right. Perhaps my default locale should be en_CA@Mac =)
[03:17] <carstenh> :)
[03:20] <jdub> mjg59: remote possibility of ping?
[03:20] <mjg59> jdub: Hi
[03:20] <mjg59> (Remote but answered)
[03:20] <jdub> holy cow! :)
[03:20] <jdub> so i'm diddling with usplash
[03:20] <mjg59> Yup
[03:20] <jdub> and helping cliff out a bit doing artwork
[03:21] <jdub> why are we restricted to 12 colours?
[03:21] <jdub> i would like 16 colours
[03:21] <jdub> and a pony
[03:21] <mjg59> You can have 16 colours
[03:21] <mjg59> As long as one is black, one is red and one is green
[03:21] <mjg59> And we have one to use as a progress bar
[03:21] <mjg59> And one to use as a background for the text
[03:22] <jdub> ok, your image had 12 colours
[03:22] <mjg59> Black is negotiable - it can be any colour, as long as it contrasts with the text background colour and doesn't look suck
[03:22] <mjg59> My image is arbitrary and shit
[03:22] <jdub> and i just tried a 16 colour image - it looked horrendous
[03:22] <mjg59> The code may need some hacking to work with usplash
[03:22] <mjg59> Basically, get me a picture that looks OK and I'll make usplash work with it
[03:23] <mjg59> I don't entirely understand the BOGL code, and there's no documentation
[03:23] <jdub> which palette indices do the black/red/green/progress/textbg colours have to be?
[03:23] <mjg59> They don't
[03:23] <mjg59> I can sort those
[03:23] <mjg59> But it helps if they're in a block
[03:23] <jdub> hrm
[03:23] <jdub> can you make specific indices for them?
[03:24] <mjg59> If you'd like
[03:24] <jdub> so we can muck with images without having to change the code?
[03:24] <mjg59> Pick numbers, I'll make the code work
[03:24] <jdub> what are the red and green used for, btw?
[03:24] <mjg59> Success and failure in the output messages
[03:24] <mjg59> Green is arguable, we probably need red
[03:24] <jdub> how will the progress bar be used?
[03:25] <jdub> like winxp, arbitrary cycling?
[03:25] <mjg59> That's an interesting question, and one that I will answer in the fullness of time
[03:25] <jdub> heh
[03:25] <aroman> I say we should do something like the original bootsplash could do
[03:25] <mjg59> aroman: Which is?
[03:26] <aroman> ie. for each service started, display a message, well not really... more like.. starting network, starting hotplug, etc. and progress until all the services are started. I would like to see the progress bar fill up so that at 100%, the system is up and running
[03:26] <mjg59> aroman: That's possible
[03:26] <aroman> mjg59, and I would be interested to work on it..
[03:26] <jdub> but you will never see 100%
[03:26] <mjg59> But Ubuntu continues starting services after gdm starts, which means that the graphical splash will have vanished
[03:26] <jdub> because gdm will start :-)
[03:27] <jdub> haha
[03:27] <mjg59> Basically:
[03:27] <mjg59> If we want it to go to 100%, the speed at which it increases will not be constant
[03:27] <aroman> if I could solve this damn i810 bug! :(
[03:27] <mjg59> Which is a pain
[03:27] <mjg59> aroman: Have you checked Bugzilla for an existing bug?
[03:27] <mdz> infinity: so, you and daniels have created much amusement for Keybuk and myself
[03:28] <aroman> mjg59, yeah.. it's there, no answers... apparently this bug has been since 22 build of Xorg
[03:28] <mjg59> aroman: Which bug number?
[03:28] <aroman> h/o
[03:28] <aroman> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12418
[03:28] <aroman> so 12418
[03:29] <jdub> mjg59: the colour requirement you skipped was text area foreground colour, right?
[03:29] <aroman> so anyways, with usplash... I mean we could make the progress bar fill up to 100, where 100 means gdm started, or if gdm is not enabled, it means you can now log in...
[03:30] <mjg59> jdub: That was what I wanted black for
[03:30] <jdub> mjg59: oh
[03:30] <mjg59> jdub: Otherwise pick an arbitrary colour
[03:30] <mjg59> Basically, I need:
[03:30] <jdub> so the colour roles are:
[03:30] <mjg59> 1) Something to write with
[03:30] <mjg59> 2) Something to write on
[03:30] <mjg59> 3) Something to indicate failure
[03:30] <Keybuk> we don't need green
[03:30] <aroman> I like green...
[03:30] <mjg59> 4) Something to indicate success (may be the same as (1))
[03:30] <Keybuk> having green to indicate success, and red to indicate failure
[03:31] <mjg59> 5) Something to draw a progress bar with (may be the same as one of the above)
[03:31] <Keybuk> when the saturation and value of the green and red are exactly the same
[03:31] <Keybuk> IS A FUCKING STUPID IDEA
[03:31] <desrt> failure = bold
[03:31] <mjg59> It's acceptable for these colours to be used within the artwork as well
[03:31] <Keybuk> colour is useful to go "LOOK AT ME!"
[03:31] <mjg59> aroman: Are you using kubuntu or ubuntu?
[03:31] <Keybuk> so white for everything except red for failure makes the failures stand out
[03:31] <aroman> mjg59, ubuntu
[03:31] <desrt> i'd like to ask everyone: isn't gentoo great?
[03:31] <mjg59> aroman: Ok, fine
[03:32] <mjg59> aroman: Just checking - that bug report is against the wrong package, then. I'll fix it now.
[03:32] <aroman> mjg59, that bug isn't in kdm, it's in X/i810/i915, somewhere there
[03:32] <Keybuk> we did this argument a year ago, and left nathaniel at the bottom of a lake, let's not do it again ;)
[03:32] <lamont> desrt: wrong channel. then again, #ubuntu is the wrong channel for that too
[03:32] <jdub> Keybuk: and yet we still got lumped with blingstart
[03:32] <desrt> lamont; totally on topic. we're talking about flashy colours on startup.
[03:33] <lamont> meh
[03:33] <Keybuk> jdub: ya know, isn't it almost a year to the day since Oxford?
[03:33] <jdub> is it?
[03:33] <Keybuk> and nathaniel claimed he'd have it working by the end of that conf
[03:33] <aroman> yes, gentoo does have pretty nice splash support
[03:33] <mjg59> Pretty much
[03:33] <Keybuk> when was oxford?
[03:33] <mjg59> August last year
[03:33] <Keybuk> 9th-20th august
[03:33] <jdub> golly
[03:34] <lamont> are we nearly there yet?
[03:34] <mjg59> So I've been hacking on laptops for you for about a year
[03:34] <Keybuk> http://www.netsplit.com/events/2004/canonical-oxford/canonical-oxford-018.html
[03:34] <jdub> that feels so long ago but so recent all at once
[03:34] <mjg59> What am I doing with my life?
[03:34] <Keybuk> THIS MAN FAILED TO BRING YOU USPLASH
[03:34] <lamont> jdub: definitely
[03:35] <mjg59> Hurrah for me, eh?
[03:36] <lamont> mjg59: you totally rock
[03:36] <aroman> hurrah for mjg59 !!
[03:36] <lamont> huzzah!
[03:36] <aroman> so it seems the only way to get ethernet on my laptop is to apply the syskonnect patch and re-compile the kernel..
[03:37] <aroman> the module just won't build by itself..
[03:37] <jdub> mjg59: ok, i just flat out don't believe that we need the text output :-)
[03:37] <HrdwrBoB> aroman: recompile it then just shove the module in the right place
[03:37] <jdub> mjg59: and it is a waste of my colours!
[03:37] <mjg59> aroman: File a bug against the kernel, we'll sort it for release
[03:37] <mjg59> jdub: Acknowledged
[03:37] <mjg59> jdub: (And ignored. Screw you, hippy!)
[03:37] <jdub> heh
[03:38] <jdub> i think this is worth nutting out, though
[03:38] <mjg59> http://www.netsplit.com/events/2004/canonical-oxford/ - weren't we young and innocent then?
[03:38] <mjg59> jdub: I think that it's a bit close to release to change the startup experience entirely
[03:38] <mjg59> jdub: I'd go with weaning people off in two stages
[03:38] <jdub> oh man
[03:39] <jdub> you manipulative evil man
[03:39] <mjg59> First we give them graphics
[03:39] <mjg59> Then we take away their text
[03:39] <jdub> using sensible release sensitive answers to blow away my usability/sass concerns
[03:40] <mjg59> http://www.netsplit.com/events/2004/canonical-oxford/canonical-oxford-028.jpg - I have no recollection as to why that flip chart says "Moo"
[03:40] <jdub> that's infuriating and wonderful all at the same time
[03:40] <mjg59> Maybe that was the night before the Antitrust drinking experience
[03:40] <elmo> mjg59: I probably wrote it
[03:42] <mdz> it looks like elmo's handwriting
[03:42] <elmo> my handwriting isn't readable
[03:42] <elmo> but I tend to write Moo on things like flipcharts as I'm startlingly unoriginal
[03:43] <Keybuk> mjg59: the scarier ones are the pictures from the original London meeting
[03:43] <Keybuk> mdz had hair, and thom looks practically pubescent
[03:45] <mdz> Keybuk: where are those?
[03:46] <Lathiat> ahh, yay for rebuilds, 600M mirror sync this morning. :)
[03:46] <mdz> Keybuk: you not only took all of 5 photos at debconf5, you somehow managed to stay out of everyone else's photos too
[03:46] <Keybuk> mdz: lamont had some
[03:46] <mdz> oh, you have photos of the mataro tv press conference
[03:46] <Keybuk> lamont: bring out the London photos
[03:46] <mdz> that certainly was amusing
[03:47] <mdz> Keybuk: is your camera's flash bright orange or something?
[03:48] <lamont> Keybuk: I'll drag out the lot sometime soon-ish - maybe some nice person will go through and catalog them for me.
[03:49] <Keybuk> at least find the one with mdz-with-hair and the thom one :p
[03:49] <lamont> the thom one?
[03:49] <elmo> http://people.ubuntu.com/~james/tmp/
[03:49] <aroman> also, on 2.6.12-6-386 vga=791 does not work anymore I get a blank screen
[03:49] <aroman> has there been a transition from the default vesafb driver?
[03:49] <Keybuk> mdz: dunno, but the ccd does tend vaguely towards red
[03:49] <Keybuk> I think I'm supposed to colour-correct it afterwards, but gimp sucks at that
[03:50] <Keybuk> elmo: sweeet
[03:50] <mdz> aroman: usplash doesn't support vesafb
[03:50] <aroman> mdz, even with splash disabled vga=791 gives me a blank screen
[03:51] <mdz> aroman: then don't do that ;-)
[03:51] <mjg59> mdz: Though it shouldn't give a blank screen
[03:51] <mjg59> vesafb ought to load instead
[03:51] <aroman> but I want 1024x768 in my console :P
[03:51] <mdz> elmo: thom looks pretty disgusted with what lamont just said
[03:51] <Lathiat> then don't want? ;)
[03:51] <aroman> Lathiat, no can do!
[03:51] <aroman> :P
[03:51] <mdz> and yet Keybuk is very amused
[03:51] <elmo> mdz: yeah, but scott looks pretty happy
[03:52] <mdz> that's classic
[03:52] <tseng> jeff looks totally 70s
[03:53] <Lathiat> with his toilet^H^H^H^H^H^H laptop?
[03:53] <tseng> the hair
[03:53] <mjg59> Why is that picture so speckly?
[03:54] <elmo> not sure; the rest of the set aren't
[03:54] <mjg59> mdz looks pretty 70s
[03:55] <mdz> I have michael j. fox hair in that photo
[03:55] <mjg59> It's as if you're about to start a porn film, or something
[03:55] <Keybuk> mdz: but the same sweater
[03:55] <whiprush_> who is that to the left of Keybuk
[03:55] <mdz> lamont
[03:55] <jsgotangco> morning
[03:56] <tseng> whiprush_: the backpack is almost certainly stuff with lamont-gear
[03:56] <mjg59> That backpack contains equipment to set fire to a shed and put it out again
[03:56] <mjg59> Goddamnit, I want it to be winter
[03:56] <tseng> i hope those glasses dont entirely belong to jeff
[03:57] <elmo> mjg59: amen
[03:57] <elmo> this weather is the suck
[03:59] <mdz> mjg59: winter? why?
[03:59] <mjg59> Winter is more attractive
[03:59] <mjg59> And I'm sick of being too hot
[03:59] <mdz> UK weather just cycles between different flavours of miserable
[03:59] <jsgotangco> lol
[04:00] <mjg59> mdz: Bah. You should visit Cambridge in winter.
[04:00] <mdz> I was in cambridge at this time of year, and it was fairly pleasant
[04:00] <mdz> considering
[04:00] <mjg59> Yeah
[04:00] <mjg59> Come here in 5 months
[04:01] <Keybuk> it was raining earlier this evening on way back from lug
[04:01] <Keybuk> it was quite pleasant, as it was still warm
[04:01] <mdz> lamont: where are these alleged london photos of yours?
[04:02] <lamont> mdz: on my desktop machine...
[04:05] <aroman> mjg59, ok I've attached some files to the i810 bug
[04:06] <aroman> output of startx, xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log
[04:09] <mjg59> aroman: Cool, thanks
[04:09] <lamont> mdz: some of the photos copying to people.u.c/~lamont/pictures
[04:10] <lamont> note that it'll take a while to copy them.
[04:10] <lamont> included are the wonderful escher-esuqe trip through the hotel from that april-in-london meeting, etc.
[04:10] <aroman> mjg59, no problem.. I want to get involved in solving this bug...
[04:10] <mjg59> aroman: That's the entirity of the Xorg.0.log?
[04:11] <lamont> ew. 42 pics at ~ 10 min /pic... there's gonna be a bit of a wait.
[04:11] <aroman> mjg59, yup
[04:11] <mjg59> Looks like it's crashing on BIOS interaction
[04:11] <mjg59> Weird
[04:11] <aroman> it's crashing somewhere... but it's not crashing in a normal fashion...
[04:11] <mjg59> aroman: Ok, looks solidly like a driver bug
[04:11] <aroman> because that glibc warning/error doesn't go in the log
[04:11] <aroman> just in the console
[04:12] <aroman> so X dies before it gets the chance to print the message in the log... I think
[04:13] <mjg59> "Use the OS setup option ACPI=Disabled at the initial OS setup screen.
[04:13] <mjg59> Failure to do so may cause system damage."
[04:13] <mjg59> Yes. That would be because YOU'VE BROKEN THE FAN CONTROL CODE IN THE DSDT.
[04:14] <Keybuk> mjg59: who's that?
[04:14] <mjg59> HP
[04:14] <Keybuk> heh
[04:14] <mjg59> It's from their official document on how to install NLD on their business range
[04:15] <Keybuk> odd, fan control works pretty well on mine
[04:16] <mjg59> Yeah, it's the newer ones
[04:17] <Keybuk> so HP have forgotten how to make good laptops
[04:17] <Keybuk> Dell never knew how
[04:17] <Keybuk> and IBM got bored and sold Thinkpad
[04:17] <Keybuk> who do we buy laptops off now? :-/
[04:17] <jdub> lenovo
[04:18] <jdub> for all your thinkpad needs
[04:18] <Lathiat> mjg59: haha, nice
[04:20] <LaserJock> mdz: yesterday I asked about problems I had installing Colony 3 where the install would stop at "downloading 4 of 8 (0s remaining)" or something like that
[04:21] <daniels> * x11proto-gl-dev inexplicably declared Replaces: libglu1-mesa-dev, which
[04:21] <daniels> caused VERY CONFUSING THINGS to happen
[04:21] <daniels> ere
[04:21] <daniels> mdz: inexplicably -> they both shipped the same file, and that's what normally happens?
[04:21] <desrt> word.
[04:21] <desrt> Replaces: is quite nice for not having to manually uninstall the old one yourself
[04:22] <jlj> infinity: what's the status of new network-manager package?
[04:22] <LaserJock> well today I checked out my ram and it one of my sticks had errors when I did a memtest
[04:22] <LaserJock> so I took that stick out and installed colony3 using the other one and everything went fine
[04:24] <LaserJock> the wierd thing is that I have installed other distros and Hoary on the same machine and everything was fine
[04:24] <aroman> mjg59, I've also created the kernel bug entry - sk98lin doesn't compile
[04:24] <aroman> mjg59, bugid: 13793
[04:24] <LaserJock> the only time I have had any problems is with the 081405 snapshot and Colony3
[04:24] <Keybuk> daniels: x11proto-gl-dev -3 provided glu.h and Replaces: libglu1-mesa-dev
[04:25] <Keybuk> libglu1-mesa-dev gets glu.h, and gets upgraded; but because of the replaces, x11proto-gl-dev still owns the file
[04:25] <Keybuk> x11proto-gl-dev gets upgraded to -4, which doesn't ship the file, so glu.h goes bye-bye
[04:29] <daniels> Keybuk: the Replaces also disappeared in -4
[04:30] <Keybuk> but it's too late by that point
[04:30] <Keybuk> because libglu1-mesa-dev didn't conflict x11proto-gl-dev, there was no guarantee of the order they'd get installed
[04:30] <Keybuk> so if libglu1-mesa-dev got upgraded first (which was happening to people) then they lost glu.h
[04:31] <daniels> cute
[04:36] <sbalneav> Evening all.
[04:37] <aroman> all right, I'm off for tonight
[04:37] <aroman> good night people!
[04:37] <aroman> until tomorrow
[04:38] <Keybuk> yay, Braniac is coming back next week
[04:42] <mdz> daniels: the files moved from x11proto-gl-dev to libglu1-mesa-dev
[04:42] <mdz> daniels: therefore libglu1-mesa-dev should have replaced x11proto-gl-dev, not the other way around
[04:44] <Keybuk> infinity did the right thing to the wrong thing
[04:53] <jdub> http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/08/new_cryptanalyt.html
[05:02] <infinity> Keybuk : I didn't "do the wrong thing to the wrong thing", we just forgot to swap it back when the canonical file moved around (again)
[05:02] <Keybuk> heh, fair enough
[05:02] <infinity> Thankfully, those pesky headers should have stopped moving by now. :)
[05:02] <Keybuk> uh, huh; because everyone lost them <g>
[05:03] <infinity> They'll magically get them back on the next upgrades. :)
[05:03] <infinity> That's the joy of losing non-conffiles.
[05:03] <infinity> They just.. Reappear! :)
[05:03] <daniels> the idea was that x11proto-gl would provide the canonical copies of glx.h and glu.h
[05:03] <daniels> that decision later got reversed by upstream
[05:03] <daniels> *shrug*
[05:04] <Keybuk> it was fun figuring out what happened
[05:04] <infinity> Yeah, I've done that to myself once before. But I think it also involved other scary things, like directory->symlink migration on top of backwards replaces.
[05:04] <infinity> And someone tapping on my forehead with a pencil while I tried to figure it out.
[05:05] <Keybuk> not quite Swordfish
[05:05] <Lathiat> heh
[05:05] <infinity> No, nothing is as bad as being forced to watch Swordfish while figuring out a problem.
[05:05] <infinity> (Or at all)
[05:06] <Keybuk> it's not that bad, it scores 8 on a scale of 1 to Antitrust
[05:06] <daniels> infinity: antitrust is worse than swordfish.
[05:06] <Keybuk> jinx
[05:06] <daniels> you can't jinx someone because you expressed the same sentiment
[05:06] <Keybuk> can
[05:11] <mdz> mjg59: I am no longer able to get my T42 to crash no matter how much power.sh crack I enable
[05:11] <mdz> infinity: are you saying that it moved once before that? I didn't think libglu1-mesa-dev existed until more recently
[05:12] <daniels> mdz: libglu1-mesa-dev has existed since the dawn of time
[05:12] <daniels> mdz: in the beginning, libglu1-mesa-dev and xlibmesa-glu-dev provided glu.h (note that this is not libgl1, or glx.h)
[05:13] <daniels> then, when we changed xlibmesa*, it was libglu1-mesa-dev and libglu1-xorg-dev providing it
[05:13] <daniels> then upstream said that it belonged in the proto/GL module
[05:13] <daniels> so x11proto-gl-dev got it, and Replaced those two
[05:13] <daniels> then we killed off libglu1-xorg-dev, so it was just x11proto-gl-dev and libglu1-mesa-dev
[05:13] <daniels> then we had to reverse that, so x11proto-gl-dev no longer shipped it, and the canonical copy lived in libglu1-mesa-dev
[05:14] <rob^> has the graphical installer has been deferred until after breezy?
[05:14] <mdz> this is why replaces should be versioned
[05:14] <rob^> great english skills today..
[05:14] <mdz> rob^: yes
[05:15] <rob^> mdz, ok thanks
[05:19] <infinity> mdz : Yes, obviously. It would have become a versioned replaces as soon as the copy left libglu1-mesa-dev.. But then it never did, cause it moved back there. Queue ominous music. Oh well, it's all sorted now.
[05:20] <mdz> infinity: yes, I think so. revving libglu1-mesa-dev should hopefully also fix things for people who lost the file
[05:22] <mdz> infinity: to me, not knowing that the file had already moved once, it looked like you preemptively added a replaces for the place where the file was going to go in the future :-)
[05:24] <infinity> mdz : yeah, it's a bit muddy. :)
[05:24] <mdz> hence "inexplicably"
[05:24] <daniels> this one was sort of handwaving-through-the-clouds-of-bong-smoke
[05:30] <infinity> /build/buildd/pike7.6-7.6.27/src/interpret.c:1287: error: PIC register 'ebx' clobbered in 'asm'
[05:31] <elmo> infinity: any reason not to do a test-rebuild of main again soon?
[05:32] <infinity> elmo : None that I can see, though if we're even going to get new kernels on the PPC buildds, -autotest would be a nice way to stress-test them.
[05:32] <elmo> oh, meh, right
[05:32] <elmo> and there's the small matter of breezy's amd64 kernel lameness
[05:32] <infinity> elmo : As I told you before though, I'd have no issues with you scrapping the w-b databse for -autotest every two or three days and letting it start from scratch.
[05:33] <infinity> I could do it too, but walking the whole DB to --forget everything is a bit inefficient. :)
[05:33] <infinity> (Oh, wait, that doesn't work anyway, if katie thinks the autotest binaries are installed somewhere)
[05:34] <daniels> infinity: so the pike people have to write better inline asm
[05:34] <infinity> daniels : Evidently, but it's not failed before.
[05:34] <infinity> daniels : So, uhh. Joy.
[05:34] <daniels> \o/
[05:34] <infinity> Also, the pike build system is crazy non-deterministic fun. If a file fails to compile, it magically drops optimisation and tries again.
[05:35] <elmo> hahahahahaha
[05:35] <daniels> ... sweet mother of christ.
[05:35] <elmo> christ, why do we have that madness in main anyway?
[05:35] <daniels> i should do that for mesa
[05:35] <infinity> Ellifiknow.
[05:35] <daniels> the crazy per-arch optimised stuff (it does a normal build followed by a gentoo build which goes in /usr/lib/i686/...) should do that
[05:36] <daniels> start at -O9 -funroll-loops -funroll-all-loops -march=p4 -mtune=p4 -fomit-frame-pointer, etc
[05:36] <daniels> then run the mesa regression test suite against it
[05:36] <daniels> and step down until we get something that passes
[05:37] <infinity> You'd be more likely to trip on miscompilations than ICEs, leaving you with compiled -- but useless -- binaries.
[05:37] <daniels> infinity: hence the mesa regression test suite
[05:37] <infinity> Oh, wait. I missed the part where you mentioend the testsuite.
[05:37] <infinity> Yes.
[05:37] <infinity> You scare me. Stop now.
[05:37] <daniels> made. of. awesome.
[05:38] <daniels> (but hey, who needs stupid options when gcc goes 'oh, hey, volatile accesses! we can optimise those out, right? no-one needs those.' anyway)
[05:38] <infinity> You're not bitter, are you?
[05:38] <daniels> noooooooo.
[05:38] <daniels> not at all.
[05:39] <daniels> i don't hate my users, individually and collectively.
[05:39] <elmo> for swig apparently
[05:39] <elmo> go swig
[05:40] <Lathiat> daniels: Can you compile xorg with -ffast-math ?
[05:40] <infinity> Oh, this isn't new. pike has been failing on i386... Since... Since the binutils_2.16 upgrade, it looks like.
[05:40] <elmo> dude talk to the doko
[05:41] <infinity> elmo : We could disable swig's ability to generate pike bindings. Like anyone really uses that feature anyway.
[05:41] <infinity> I'd be willing to bet that 99% of swig usage is for generating python bindings.
[05:41] <elmo> well that's just the first hit; let's see what melanie thinks
[05:41] <infinity> Just a guess.
[05:42] <elmo> hmm, it really is only swig
[05:42] <infinity> Yeah, swig pulls in every interpreter it's capable of generating bindings for.
[05:42] <daniels> Lathiat: you ... aren't serious ... are you?
[05:42] <Lathiat> daniels: of course i am!
[05:43] <infinity> Many/most of which we want in main anyway, but I see no argument for supporting pike.
[05:43] <daniels> infinity: i bet the latest hj lu binutils will fix this problem
[05:43] <daniels> wooooooooo choking on the crackpipe
[05:43] <infinity> Given that we don't support pike's main use cases (roxen/caudium), supporting pike itself is a bit pointless.
[05:51] <Lathiat> heh whys that
[05:52] <infinity> Or.. Just kdebase. That's not so bad.
[06:09] <fabbione> morning
[06:09] <AndyFitz> g'day fabbione
[06:13] <fabbione> mdz: ubuntu-meta is up
[06:14] <mdz> fabbione: thanks
[06:15] <fabbione> no problem
[06:31] <AndyFitz> ogra, reckon we could get ubuntu-title.ttf packaged ?
[06:39] <fabbione> mdz, elmo: who is going to be around at 12:00/13:00 UTC?
[06:39] <mdz> fabbione: the smart money is on elmo
[06:39] <mdz> that's 0500/0600 for me
[06:39] <fabbione> elmo: ?
[06:40] <fabbione> mdz: i will need somebody with NEW power ;)
[06:47] <Treenaks> is there a way to create striked-through text?
[06:47] <mdz> daniels: so it's that point in the release cycle where I try to get my keyboard to work right again
[06:48] <mdz> daniels: my left alt key works as a perfectly normal modifier, but my right alt key has an identity disorder
[06:48] <daniels> mdz: ok, here's the two-step procedure
[06:48] <daniels> step one: throw keyboard out window
[06:48] <daniels> step two: purchase sensible keyboard
[06:48] <mdz> there is nothing wrong with my hardware
[06:48] <daniels> mdz: oh, it's still doing the whole level 3 thing?
[06:48] <mdz> it works well under Linspire
[06:48] <infinity> s/tittler/titters/
[06:48] <mdz> daniels: no, it's weirder than that
[06:49] <daniels> mdz: you know, I *did* have respect for you
[06:49] <mdz> daniels: so I press left_alt+tab, and I get the GNOME window switching dialog
[06:49] <mdz> daniels: then I release alt, and the dialog stays up
[06:49] <mdz> until I press another key, at which point it goes away, and leaves me in the same window where I started
[06:49] <daniels> mdz: awesome!
[06:49] <mdz> regardless of whether I tabbed over to another window
[06:50] <mdz> this is with setxkbmap -variant dvorak us
[06:50] <Lathiat> mdz: i get the same thing
[06:50] <Lathiat> mdz: you sure its not a gnome thing?
[06:50] <Lathiat> like the same thign happens with ctrl+alt+arrow
[06:50] <mdz> yes, it does
[06:50] <mdz> but it seems unlikely to be a gnome thing, to me
[06:50] <daniels> mdz: wfm
[06:50] <Lathiat> i kinda find it handy
[06:50] <mdz> Lathiat: what keyboard configuration do you use?
[06:50] <Lathiat> can let go of alt
[06:50] <Lathiat> and scroll back and forwards
[06:50] <Lathiat> mdz: standard us
[06:50] <daniels> mdz: regardless of us or us(dvorak)
[06:51] <mdz> daniels: _really_?
[06:51] <mdz> it's like right alt is sticky
[06:51] <Lathiat> yeh
[06:51] <Lathiat> its quite possibly a gnome thing
[06:51] <daniels> mdz: er, only with right alt?
[06:51] <daniels> mdz: '05:49 < mdz> daniels: so I press left_alt+tab, and I get the GNOME window switching dialog
[06:51] <Lathiat> since it can tell the difference between the two
[06:51] <mdz> daniels: correct
[06:51] <Lathiat> e.g. i can set mmy second alt to be a compose key
[06:51] <Lathiat> or whatever
[06:51] <mdz> daniels: sorry, s/left/right/
[06:53] <daniels> ok, happens to me too
[06:53] <daniels> i guess it's a metacity thing, since xkb appears to be doing the right thing in this case
[06:54] <daniels> mdz: setxkbmap -option compose:ralt
[06:54] <Lathiat> not sticky in compose mode
[06:54] <Lathiat>
[06:54] <mdz> daniels: that has made my right alt key into a compose key
[06:54] <infinity> mdz : Permission to break UVF for pike7.6 (7.6.27 -> 7.6.33) to fix the FTBFS? (pike7.6 has no dependencies in main except for swig, which I'll rebuild and make sure it's okay)
[06:54] <daniels> Lathiat: i temporarily disabled compose
[06:54] <mdz> daniels: which means that it no longer exhibits the sticky behaviour, but...it's a compose key
[06:54] <mdz> infinity: ok
[06:54] <daniels> mdz: well, yeah. problem solved!
[06:55] <daniels> mdz: and you gain the ability to talk to people named sren, kster, etc
[06:55] <mdz> daniels: it happens to you with a us layout too?
[06:55] <infinity> Is there value in that?
[06:55] <infinity> ;)
[06:55] <Lathiat> and go ?
[06:55] <Lathiat> err, :)
[06:55] <mdz> k
[06:56] <Treenaks> mdz: I have a US layout
[06:56] <daniels> yarr, metacity's code is crack
[06:56] <daniels> mdz: yeah, once I disable compose
[06:56] <Treenaks> mdz: what should the problem be?
[06:56] <mdz> Treenaks: the problem is that my right alt key behaves differently from my left alt key
[06:56] <Treenaks> mdz: right-alt+tab is weirdly sticky here too
[06:57] <Treenaks> (during alt-tabbing at least)
[06:57] <mdz> I consider this a bug and a regression
[06:57] <daniels> mdz: yes
[06:57] <Treenaks> mdz: I never use my ralt, but yeah, this behaviour is sucky
[06:57] <Lathiat> i dont think anyone uses their right alt
[06:57] <daniels> mdz: i *think* it's metacity's code, which I'm looking at the moment
[06:57] <Treenaks> (compose=menu here :))
[06:57] <daniels> cue bleeding eyes
[06:57] <Lathiat> except when single handly changing virtual desktops
[06:57] <mdz> daniels: haven't found anything in the metacity changelog thus far
[06:57] <daniels> Treenaks: pc101 4 lyf
[06:58] <mdz> when does seb128 wake up?
[06:58] <mdz> Lathiat: I do
[06:58] <daniels> mdz: it's 0658, so probably not any time soon
[06:58] <Lathiat>
[06:58] <Lathiat> hrm
[06:58] <Lathiat> whats the ctrl+shift+<no> for yarr
[06:58] <Treenaks> daniels: pc102 actually, but yeah :)
[06:58] <mdz> daniels: how do I undo compose:ralt?
[06:58] <Treenaks> 104 even
[06:59] <infinity> -options ''
[06:59] <Lathiat> mdz: setxkbmap -option ralt:alt
[06:59] <mdz> ah, setxbkmap -option ''
[06:59] <Lathiat> or that
[06:59] <infinity> s/options/option/ yes.
[06:59] <mdz> the man page beat infinity by a split second
[07:01] <daniels> Treenaks: i only have 80 or thereabouts physical keys
[07:02] <daniels> Treenaks: pc104 is pc101 + windows + menu + windows. which I don't have on this laptop.
[07:02] <Lathiat> i have just one windows key
[07:02] <mdz> yay IBM for omitting the windows keys
[07:03] <daniels> mdz: exactly, it lets you have a compose key on your ralt and still have no useless keys -- result!
[07:03] <Lathiat> i have 87 keys
[07:03] <Lathiat> and 7 'media' keys
[07:04] <Lathiat> altho there is a virtual numap
[07:04] <daniels> hm, metacity has broken b-ds as well. joy.
[07:04] <Lathiat> so taht adds 14
[07:04] <Lathiat> so, 101. :)
[07:04] <mdz> I wouldn't mind having my right windows key be a compose key
[07:04] <Lathiat> mdz: yeh, thats what i'd use as compose if i had one
[07:04] <Lathiat> i suppose using my left windows key isnt such a bad idea
[07:04] <daniels> mdz: -option compose:rwin
[07:05] <mdz> -option compose:rwin doesn't seem to do that
[07:05] <daniels> mdz: or compose:menu for the menu one
[07:05] <mdz> nor does compose:menu do the expected thing
[07:06] <daniels> fun
[07:06] <daniels> seems to wfm on standard pc104/us
[07:06] <mdz> I suppose this al works nicely on us layouts
[07:06] <daniels> probably
[07:06] <daniels> although dvorak shouldn't be modifying that
[07:06] <daniels> anyway, time for breakfast
[07:06] <Lathiat> when i open the keyboard capplet.. and the font one.. i get some windowwith a warning title open but goes away to quick to see whats in it, any idea what it is?
[07:06] <mdz> I should investigate dinner at some point
[07:07] <mdz> Lathiat: I got that too, with the font capplet
[07:07] <Lathiat> mdz: yeh, my keyboard one does it too, has for quite a while and its annoying
[07:07] <Treenaks> daniels: I plugged an external keyboard into my laptop, because the keyboard on it sucks so hard
[07:08] <Lathiat> i want to get an external keyboard so i can raise my screen up to me eye height
[07:08] <Treenaks> daniels: (and it's actually a 110-key board, counting the multimedia cruft)
[07:08] <Lathiat> but some stupid ebay seller hasnt shipped by usb->ps/2 convertor yet
[07:08] <daniels> mdz: i386?
[07:08] <Lathiat> mdz: indeed
[07:08] <mdz> daniels: yes
[07:09] <fabbione> mdz: xev is on my list of 2353 mini pkgs to do
[07:09] <fabbione> mdz: probably today will be in
[07:09] <daniels> mdz: http://amnesiac.heapspace.net/~daniels/misc/xev
[07:10] <mdz> daniels: with -option compose:rwin, my rwin key becomes some sort of dead key, but it doesn't do anything with 2 subsequent keypresses
[07:10] <mdz> it wants three
[07:10] <mdz> rwin+'+o produces three 'o's
[07:11] <daniels> ffs, heisenbug
[07:11] <mdz> 100% reproducible
[07:11] <daniels> when I compile metacity with a bit of debugging information in, it's sweet
[07:11] <Lathiat> haha
[07:11] <mdz> does it fix the alt key problem?
[07:11] <Lathiat> leave it in then :)
[07:11] <daniels> mdz: yes
[07:11] <mdz> awesome
[07:12] <daniels> THE SAME VERSION THAT'S IN THE THINGY
[07:12] <daniels> BUT WITH ONE EXTRA PRINTF
[07:12] <daniels> unless sebarino sucks
[07:12] <daniels> and metacity doesn't support xkb
[07:12] <mdz> compose:lwin doesn't work at all
[07:12] <mdz> compose:menu has the same problem as compose:rwin
[07:13] <daniels> right
[07:14] <mdz> -option compose:rwin doesn't work for me with a us layout either
[07:14] <mdz> is it only me?
[07:14] <mdz> my X server hasnt' been restarted in a long time
[07:14] <daniels> daniels@ephemera:~/canonical/metacity% grep Xkb =metacity; sudo dpkg -i metacity_2.11.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb > /dev/null && grep Xkb =metacity
[07:14] <daniels> zsh: exit 1 grep Xkb =metacity
[07:14] <daniels> Binary file /usr/bin/metacity matches
[07:14] <daniels> the former being the archive version, the latter being my version
[07:14] <mdz> root 5205 2.6 11.6 334556 241184 ? R Jul25 928:20 /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth vt7
[07:14] <daniels> mdz: i don't have a windows key, else I'd help
[07:14] <mdz> I'm going to restart my X server
[07:14] <mdz> hopefully I have a working xorg.conf
[07:15] <Lathiat> famous last words
[07:16] <daniels> ehm. metacity's configure.in is on crack.
[07:17] <Lathiat> surprise!
[07:17] <mdz> YES
[07:17] <mdz> daniels: /etc/X11/X was a broken symlink to /usr/bin/X11/X
[07:18] <mdz> didn't fix compose:rwin though
[07:20] <mdz> oh, and now my scroll wheel doesn't work. BONUS
[07:20] <Lathiat> yeh
[07:20] <Lathiat> need to add a ZAxisMapping
[07:21] <daniels> mdz: yeah, x-common fun with moving directories to symlinks
[07:21] <\sh> and this is a real "serious wake up call" mythtv and inline asm ftbfs on amd64 *yawn*
[07:21] <\sh> morning gentlemen
[07:22] <Lathiat> heh
[07:22] <Lathiat> im surprised it built on x86
[07:22] <Lathiat> i tried and kept failing
[07:23] <mdz> Lathiat: I have zaxisampping in xorg.conf, as always
[07:23] <\sh> Lathiat: tseng called me a "hero" for that ... but when it's build on amd64, I would like to call myself \sh
[07:23] <Lathiat> mdz: oh? mine wasnt there.
[07:23] <Lathiat> \sh: heh
[07:24] <Lathiat> \sh: .. did it ever build on amd64?
[07:25] <\sh> and powerpc is much more worse "no opcode 'emms'"
[07:28] <\sh> mdz: possible to compile mythtv against an external libavcodec?
[07:29] <mdz> \sh: not in general, no
[07:29] <mdz> \sh: the person to talk to is Chutt on #mythtv
[07:29] <\sh> mdz: so i have to get the patches for avcodec from somewhere else
[07:29] <mdz> I had mythtv building on amd64, powerpc and i386 a few months ago
[07:29] <mdz> and working playback on all three
[07:30] <mdz> 0.18.1 has some amd64 fixes
[07:30] <mdz> Chutt is now using an amd64, so it'll work out of the box there in the future
[07:31] <\sh> mdz: good to know..so I will give 0.18.1 a try later on...
[07:31] <mdz> \sh: I have 0.18.1 source packages in my repository on dijkstra
[07:32] <\sh> mdz: send me the link ;)
[07:38] <\sh> laters...
[07:38] <jsgotangco> later
[07:39] <AndyFitz> The Ubuntu font has beenLGPL'ed :-) http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/Ubuntu-Title.ttf
[07:41] <jsgotangco> its beautiful!
[07:41] <jsgotangco> the w and m now blend well
[07:41] <carstenh> fixed++ :)
[07:49] <infinity> AndyFitz : Thanks for the license change.
[07:50] <AndyFitz> infinity.: no worries LGPL is the most simple and sane for a font
[07:52] <bob2> woo, godd stuff AndyFitz
[07:54] <infinity> AndyFitz : Assuming you want GPL-style protection, yes, LGPL seems the best fit for something as widely-used as a font.
[07:54] <AndyFitz> now making your own ubuntu derived project is 10% easier
[07:55] <siretart> bob2: around?
[07:55] <bob2> indeedy
[07:56] <siretart> may I query?
[07:56] <bob2> if it's about lyx, I'm uploading to sid tommorow
[07:56] <siretart> aah. great!
[07:56] <siretart> I'm trying to get a working lyx into universe
[07:57] <bob2> what's wrong wit hthe current one? (aside from being old)
[07:57] <siretart> if you upload tomorrow, that'll be a great birthday present :)
[07:57] <siretart> the current one doensn't build at all, because of gcc issues
[07:57] <bob2> oh, right
[07:57] <siretart> neiter gcc-3.4 nor gcc-4.0
[07:57] <bob2> hm
[07:57] <bob2> that's probably RC in Debian then
[07:57] <bob2> oops
[07:58] <siretart> bob2: I tried to check out the arch repository on alioth, but failed
[07:58] <bob2> hm?
[07:58] <bob2> that's odd
[08:00] <siretart> get: invalid revision spec ([email protected])
[08:00] <bob2> right
[08:00] <bob2> that's the name of the archive, not something you can check out :)
[08:01] <siretart> hmm.. what was the right command then?
[08:01] <bob2> one sec
[08:01] <bob2> 'baz get [email protected]/lyx--debian--1.0 debian/'
[08:02] <bob2> tho it's pretty obsolete
[08:02] <siretart> ah..
[08:02] <siretart> If you want, I'd like to test your upload to sid in breezy
[08:03] <siretart> that is, on my breezy installation, of course..
[08:11] <daniels> mdz: new libx11 and metacity blatted at the archive
[08:12] <mdz> daniels: thanks for merging Isaac's fix
[08:12] <daniels> no worries
[08:12] <daniels> i need to commit that upstream also
[08:14] <pitti> Good morning
[08:14] <bob2> siretart: thanks, I'll email you when I've put it somewhere
[08:15] <siretart> bob2: that'll be great!
[08:17] <pitti> mdz: do you want separate reports for every universe word list l-support now depends on? these are trivial packages...
[09:04] <pitti> mjg59: ping
[09:05] <\sh> re
[09:20] <ogra> mdz, still around ?
[09:24] <Mithrandir> mdz: yes, partimage for amd64 is a large amount of work.
[09:31] <\sh> Mithrandir: please install in breezy chroot on ravel: libmysqlclient14-dev liblame-dev liblircclient-dev libxxf86vm-dev libdvb-dev g++-3.4 gcc-3.4 thx :)
[09:34] <Mithrandir> E: Couldn't find package thx
[09:34] <Mithrandir> yeah, and E: Couldn't find package liblame-dev
[09:34] <Mithrandir> is it multiverse?
[09:35] <robitaille> Mithrandir: yes
[09:35] <\sh> yepp
[09:35] <Mithrandir> \sh: did you investigate why qt ftbfs?
[09:36] <Mithrandir> \sh: installed
[09:36] <\sh> Mithrandir: yesterdays fix from me and infinities upload fixed
[09:36] <\sh> qt
[09:36] <Mithrandir> ok, goodie
[09:36] <\sh> missing QRegion region;
[09:36] <\sh> Mithrandir: thx :)
[09:36] <jdub> Mithrandir: does suspend work at all on amd64?
[09:37] <ogra> jdub, it did on hoary
[09:37] <jdub> ok, so it's intended that it work
[09:37] <jdub> it would be other factors that made it not work
[09:37] <jdub> right?
[09:37] <Mithrandir> jdub: no idea, my amd64 has SATA which makes Things Blow Up
[09:38] <ogra> jdub, i dont know about amd64 desktop systems...
[09:39] <ogra> (mine is a laptop)
[09:39] <jdub> right, the user has sata :-)
[09:40] <\sh> ogra: what thoughts are coming to you when I say: libavcodec on amd64?
[09:40] <ogra> \sh, none... i'm still totally shocked that my iso dissapeared...
[09:41] <\sh> hmmm
[09:41] <ogra> and dont know what to do now, since i called for testers for this one
[09:41] <ogra> the two that are there are totally unusable....
[09:41] <Mithrandir> jdub: I think fabio is putting some patch to support suspend on SATA now-ish.
[09:41] <\sh> mdz: mythtv 0.18.1 is ftbfs on amd64 as well, at the same point as 0.18
[09:41] <ogra> and i dont understand why 20050818 isnt there anymore
[09:42] <fabbione> Mithrandir, jdub: yes.. but they are experimental. they work on some systems.. not all of them
[09:42] <fabbione> Mithrandir, jdub: that's for sure better than none of them working
[09:42] <fabbione> jdub: later this evening they will be in archive
[09:42] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: suspend-on-sata? Is that like wake-on-lan, but backwards?
[09:42] <fabbione> upload planned for 12:00/13:00 UTC more or less
[09:43] <jdub> yeah, noticed that change
[09:43] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: "Hey, disk activity, let's suspend"
[09:46] <\sh> Dear Linus, include updated sk98lin drivers asap so I can work with Linux out of the box
[09:46] <Treenaks> \sh: you forgot "kthxbye"
[09:46] <fabbione> \sh it will not happen.. they are working a rewrite of it
[09:47] <\sh> fabbione: ok..what about this idea...I will create a additional package for it...or a separate kernel package for some marvell yukon ethernet machines?
[09:47] <\sh> at least for breezy
[09:48] <\sh> fabbione: forget it
[09:49] <fabbione> \sh the point is simple.. that driver won't be in the stock kernel. Making another kernel for you is not an option.
[09:49] <\sh> fabbione: module compiling doesn't work with this package...only "patching kernel, recompile kernel, copy module from kernel tree to usbdevice, from usbdevice to r200"
[09:49] <fabbione> so you can only make a module
[09:50] <\sh> fabbione: would it be an option for integrating the module into the installer kernel?
[09:50] <fabbione> jamesh: no
[09:50] <fabbione> mah
[09:50] <fabbione> \sh no..
[09:50] <\sh> see
[09:50] <fabbione> that means having the module in the stock kernel
[09:51] <\sh> and this is for cd/dvd less machines with this bloody hardware a "no breezy out of the box at all" .. no pxe install
[09:53] <fabbione> \sh i am not going to compromise on that as i already explained to you a few times by now
[09:53] <fabbione> that driver is crap
[09:53] <fabbione> and we can't commit to support it
[09:53] <michele> fabbione, looks like everybody wants you to put crappy patches in the kernel ;)
[09:53] <michele> sounds like a conspiration
[09:54] <\sh> ah come on...
[09:54] <daniels> don't forget drm
[09:55] <\sh> I know I'm teasing fabbione a bit...but, think about this: the normal user doesn't care about "crappy code patches inlines" whatever...they know only: "it's working" or "it's not working" ... and I want to find out what's the best solution for "providing at least unofficial support"
[09:56] <fabbione> \sh the normal user cares when at the first security upgrade everything breaks down because the driver doesn't compile anymore
[09:57] <michele> \sh, don't worry, I was making fun of myself... I teased him for the last two days ;)
[09:57] <\sh> fabbione: the user shouldn't compile the driver at all
[09:58] <\sh> I should write a wiki page on how to adjust the install iso ,-)
[09:58] <fabbione> \sh warning: you are pushing my patience over a certain limit..
[09:59] <fabbione> we have been over this topic over and over
[09:59] <fabbione> you got an answer with a proper explanation
[09:59] <\sh> fabbione: forget what I'm saying...:)
[10:08] <mvo> ping jamesh
[10:08] <seb128> hey mvo
[10:08] <mvo> hey seb128
[10:08] <mvo> good morning!
[10:09] <daniels> morning sebarino
[10:09] <seb128> hey daniels
[10:09] <daniels> seb128: just as a heads-up, I uploaded metacity earlier
[10:10] <daniels> seb128: libx11-dev was missing an x11proto-kb-dev depends, so metacity couldn't use XKBlib.h and thus disabled XKB support
[10:10] <seb128> daniels: np. What did you change?
[10:10] <daniels> seb128: so I just changed the B-Ds
[10:10] <seb128> oh, nice catch :)
[10:10] <daniels> seb128: removed the xlibs-pic B-D as well since that was a bit bong
[10:10] <daniels> seb128: try this
[10:10] <seb128> what sort of bug does that create?
[10:10] <daniels> seb128: press left-alt+tab
[10:10] <daniels> seb128: now, on a US keyboard, press right-alt+tab
[10:10] <seb128> right one does nothing
[10:11] <daniels> ralt isn't caught as a modifier by all the core stuff, so the keypress throws up the window switch
[10:11] <daniels> but the keyrelease doesn't break the grab
[10:11] <daniels> i figured it was probably missing xkb support when I recompiled to add a printf and it magically worked
[10:12] <seb128> cool
[10:13] <seb128> infinity: around?
[10:15] <Mithrandir> I think gamin is leaking memory:
[10:15] <Mithrandir> 20792 tfheen 15 0 539m 529m 844 S 1.0 35.2 18:15.51 gam_server
[10:16] <fabbione> Mithrandir: and are you surprised?
[10:17] <fabbione> Mithrandir: try to use the kill -SIGUSR2 and look in /tmp for the debugging log
[10:17] <fabbione> you should be able to see in sometime why
[10:17] <fabbione> mostlikely it's not releasing the lists of monitored dir/files
[10:18] <rob^> how come lame is included with breezy, but gstreamer0.8-lame isn't?
[10:18] <jdub> rob^: lame is in multiverse (evil), and the gstreamer package is not built against it
[10:19] <Mithrandir> $ wc -l /tmp/gamin_debug_pqNZ4B
[10:19] <Mithrandir> 7280 /tmp/gamin_debug_pqNZ4B
[10:19] <rob^> does gstreamer0.8-lame have copyright/patent issues?
[10:19] <seb128> Mithrandir: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=313846
[10:20] <seb128> rob^: it has
[10:20] <pitti> seb128: why should it?
[10:20] <pitti> seb128: lame has, but an interface to lame?
[10:20] <seb128> pitti: gstreamer0
[10:21] <seb128> pitti: gstreamer0.8-lame doesn't do anything without lame ...
[10:21] <seb128> pitti: I mean we can't ship it
[10:21] <jdub> rob^: we can't ship lame due to mp3 patent concerns
[10:21] <pitti> seb128: right; well, that's the same issue as with gstreamer-mad and libmad
[10:21] <rob^> jdub, is in the repo though
[10:21] <seb128> pitti: yeah
[10:21] <rob^> its
[10:21] <pitti> libmad0 | 0.15.1b-2.1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/main Packages
[10:21] <Mithrandir> seb128: internal server error.
[10:21] <seb128> it's multiverse
[10:21] <jdub> rob^: and we don't build stuff in main against stuff in universe or multiverse
[10:22] <seb128> Mithrandir: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13449
[10:22] <jdub> (or we'd shift it into main, which we simply cannot do with lame)
[10:22] <pitti> seb128: then we have to demote libmad0, otherwise we can as well ship g-mad
[10:22] <pitti> same for xine
[10:22] <rob^> cant you just include gstreamer0.8-lame in universe?
[10:22] <jdub> pitti: yes, these are also concerning
[10:22] <pitti> jdub: libmad0 and libxine1 are still in main
[10:22] <rob^> or multiverse
[10:22] <seb128> pitti: we don't ship gst-mad, it's universe
[10:23] <jdub> rob^: we could build it completely separately in multiverse, but that would require all kinds of work we're not interested in doing
[10:23] <rob^> ah ok
[10:23] <rob^> np
[10:23] <Mithrandir> seb128: ok, anything I can do to help getting it fixed?
[10:23] <jdub> rob^: because the gstreamer plugins are mostly built from one source (at the moment)
[10:23] <pitti> seb128: I know, but since we ship libmad0 anyway, we can as well ship g-mad; g-mad doesn't have issues, libmad0 has
[10:23] <seb128> Mithrandir: ping desrt about that, he talk with GNOME guys about it
[10:23] <jdub> pitti: libmad0 in main is an aberration
[10:23] <seb128> pitti: right, but my understanding was that we should not ship limbad, not other way
[10:24] <pitti> seb128: right, just teasing :-)
[10:24] <Mithrandir> desrt: any idea what's up with ubuntu #13449? I see the same issue here
[10:24] <rob^> ok, thanks jdub
[10:24] <seb128> ;)
[10:24] <jdub> (at one point we fixed libxine)
[10:24] <seb128> (at one point gst will be so good than nobody will care about xine :p)
[10:25] <jdub> yes, libmad0 is only a suggests
[10:25] <pitti> seb128: can't be; the package is patented, not copyrighted
[10:25] <pitti> seb128: so if gst is as good as xine, then it contains the same algorithms and we can't ship it as well
[10:26] <seb128> k, so I got 495 bug mails since aug 1st ...DOH
[10:26] <seb128> (only from bugzilla.ubuntu I mean)
[10:26] <seb128> (and these are just gnome bugs, no ubuntu-bugs)
[10:26] <jdub> seb128: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/germinate-output/breezy/rdepends/libmad/libmad0
[10:26] <jdub> ha ha
[10:27] <seb128> DOH
[10:27] <pitti> yes, gst-plugins b-deps on it
[10:27] <pitti> xine-lib b-deps on it as well
[10:28] <pitti> same procedure for totem
[10:29] <pitti> seb128: so AFAICS the only solution is to split off a main-capable package of totem and gst?
[10:29] <seb128> what about totem? totem-xine?
[10:29] <pitti> seb128: yes, same thing
[10:29] <seb128> the solution for totem would be to do 2 sources packages, one for gst, one for xine
[10:29] <seb128> but that kind of suck
[10:29] <jdub> perhaps it's worth doing separate builds of gst plugins then
[10:30] <jdub> xine is harder
[10:30] <seb128> there is some people who were speaking about gst-plugins0.8-universe
[10:30] <pitti> jdub: xine is not hard, it's just nasty
[10:30] <jdub> pitti: build it with the correct deps, ship a package with only the mad loader?
[10:30] <pitti> jdub: just copy the source package and don't build everything
[10:30] <jdub> xine-mad... excellent :-)
[10:31] <pitti> xine-universe
[10:31] <jdub> oh please can we call it mad? :)
[10:31] <pitti> erm, no
[10:31] <pitti> not xine
[10:31] <pitti> totem-universe
[10:31] <jdub> why totem?
[10:31] <jdub> it just depends on xine
[10:31] <pitti> or better totem-gstreamer and totem-xine source pkgs
[10:32] <pitti> jdub: xine-lib has to completely be dropped to universe then
[10:32] <jdub> if we ship a xine-mad package that only includes xineplug_decode_mad.so, totem will just work
[10:32] <pitti> s/completely be/be completely/
[10:32] <jdub> hrm, i don't think so
[10:32] <pitti> jdub: and how do you want to build that?
[10:32] <jdub> make xine build without mad -> easy
[10:32] <pitti> jdub: you certainly need xine hearers
[10:32] <jdub> make a xine-mad source to build just that .so
[10:33] <jdub> same solution for gstreamer
[10:33] <pitti> jdub: but we don't need to split xine-lib, but totem
[10:33] <seb128> what about:
[10:33] <jdub> totem is already split sufficiently to allow for this
[10:33] <seb128> - ship everything to main
[10:33] <seb128> - go to jail
[10:33] <seb128> - enjoy? hum ... :p
[10:33] <pitti> seb128: we Europeans won't go to jail
[10:33] <jdub> seb128: i will not be elmo's bitch :-)
[10:33] <pitti> we still have reasonably sane laws here
[10:33] <seb128> HA HA
[10:34] <daniels> we need to split xine into xine and xine-universe
[10:34] <seb128> pitti: right ... so let's do this :)
[10:34] <daniels> jdub: you already are
[10:34] <pitti> daniels: why?
[10:34] <jdub> we can make both the xine and gst-plugins packages in main not reference mad at all
[10:34] <pitti> jdub: again, we need to split totem and completely demote xine into universe
[10:34] <pitti> no need for splitting xine
[10:34] <jdub> and build alternate versions in universe or multiverse that only include the mad plugins
[10:34] <daniels> pitti: split totem?
[10:34] <daniels> i thought we were shoving xine into main to use that as our preferred backend for breezy
[10:34] <jdub> pitti: we don't need to push xine into universe
[10:34] <pitti> daniels: totem-gst for main, and totem-xine for uiverse
[10:35] <daniels> pitti: errr ... our plan was to do xine as default for breezy
[10:35] <pitti> daniels: EPATENTS
[10:35] <daniels> assuming I find some time in my life for things that are not X
[10:35] <daniels> pitti: exactly, which is wy I need to sit down and split xine into xine and xine-universe
[10:35] <daniels> this is all part of VideoPlaybackRoadmap :P
[10:35] <pitti> daniels: I'm using totem-xine, it's so much better than t-gst, but we can't do that in main
[10:35] <daniels> why not?
[10:35] <seb128> daniels: the plan was to try both options once the patents part dropped
[10:35] <jdub> we need to extract the evil shit
[10:35] <pitti> daniels: all the mpeg stuff is patented
[10:36] <seb128> pitti: just drop them
[10:36] <jdub> pitti: and we can do that at the xine level
[10:36] <daniels> pitti: right, which is why you either just drop it altogether, or build the mpeg stuff separately in universe
[10:36] <pitti> seb128: after dropping mpeg and mp3 from xine, what would be left to make it preferable to gst?
[10:36] <daniels> pitti: a/v sync
[10:36] <jdub> pitti: it works better for video
[10:36] <pitti> ok
[10:36] <daniels> pitti: and you can build the plugins in universe anyway
[10:36] <jdub> pitti: and you can always install the evil stuff from universe/multiverse anyway :)
[10:36] <pitti> but please don't drop it completelya
[10:36] <daniels> (which I think is a complete crock, but whatever)
[10:37] <seb128> pitti: what daniels said ... but I'm not sure of how good is esdsink with BBB's fixes
[10:37] <pitti> *sigh* patents
[10:37] <daniels> esd???
[10:37] <jdub> daniels: (note that explicitly building them elsewhere demonstrates knowledge == triple damages)
[10:37] <pitti> just move everybody to europe...
[10:37] <daniels> jdub: yes, hence 'complete crock'
[10:37] <pitti> or move the european laws to the U.S.
[10:56] <jdub> jbailey: are we going to do basic initramfs root building on the buildd for breezy?
[10:56] <jdub> hrm, and latest kernel has hard depends on initramfs-tools
[10:56] <jdub> bum
[10:57] <jdub> ...
[11:15] <mvo> I need some advice how to phrase the dialog that updates to the new language-pack structure when language-selector is run. I have now: "Update language support?\nSome packages for full language support are not installed on your system. Do you want to install them now?"
[11:17] <poningru> that sounds good
[11:17] <poningru> see the thing is the buttons for that come out as yes/no
[11:17] <poningru> you may wanna try to make them as install/ dont install
[11:18] <mvo> right, that sounds good
[11:18] <mvo> thanks
[11:19] <poningru> np
[11:20] <mvo> "install now", "ignore" as captions for the buttons?
[11:21] <poningru> well the ignore may be confusing
[11:21] <poningru> but is acceptable
[11:21] <poningru> depends on what the dialog is coming after
[11:21] <mvo> I would like to avoid having "install" on both buttons ("Install now", "not install"). maybe "keep"?
[11:22] <poningru> right
[11:22] <poningru> no ignore sounds fine for this case
[11:24] <jsgotangco> install/ignore looks fine to me
[11:25] <jsgotangco> keep is also good hmmm i prefer that
[11:31] <poningru> wouldnt you say ignore seems more professional than keep?
[11:31] <poningru> keep seems a little childish when compared to ignore
[11:31] <Nafallo> skip?
[11:32] <Nafallo> morning btw :-)
[11:33] <mvo> I like "ignore" better too because there isn't anything to "keep"
[11:34] <Nafallo> but you "skip" the installation ;-)
[11:35] <Nafallo> you may probably say you ignore it to, but that doesn't sound as much as a choice as skip/install IMO.
[11:36] <Mithrandir> mvo: what does l-s do if you choose don't install/skip/ignore?
[11:37] <mvo> Mithrandir: bug you again next time
[11:37] <Nafallo> then it's ignore
[11:38] <Mithrandir> mvo: yes, but what is the next step it'll walk you through?
[11:38] <mvo> the dialog opens and you can selector the various languages you want to see supported
[11:39] <Mithrandir> I would probably use "Upgrade support" and "Remind me next time" then.
[11:39] <Mithrandir> or something along those lines, remind me next time is a bit long
[11:40] <mvo> "Remind me again" ?
[11:40] <mvo> well, not really shorter :/
[11:40] <jsgotangco> "Remind me again" does sound very friendly
[11:43] <mvo> thanks, I'll use it then
[11:47] <poningru> yeah I really like Remind me again
[11:51] <mvo> Mithrandir: from what package?
[11:51] <Mithrandir> kino
[11:52] <Mithrandir> it's from starting it, opening the "open file" dialog and then quitting.
[11:52] <mvo> *ick*
[11:52] <mvo> that does not sound like fun :/
[11:52] <niran> i really should save more often, or at least use something more stable than drpython.
[12:08] <Lathiat> pitti: any of those kernel vulns remote or local exploitable for root?
[12:09] <Treenaks> Lathiat: root doesn't need exploits :P
[12:09] <Lathiat> err
[12:09] <Lathiat> you know what i mean ;p
[12:09] <Lathiat> altho with selinux that isnt necesarily true ;p
[12:09] <Lathiat> i suppose a crash usually means writing things where they shouldnt be so its possible
[12:18] <mjg59> mdz: That's with laptop-mode completely disabled?
[12:19] <mjg59> pitti: Hi
[12:19] <pitti> Lathiat: no, mostly DoS
[12:19] <pitti> mjg59: Hi! just tested usplash on my amd64 box with nvidia card, works fine :-)
[12:20] <mjg59> pitti: Rock
[12:20] <pitti> mjg59: however, is it already supposed to work on the live CD out of the box?
[12:20] <mjg59> Not yet
[12:20] <pitti> mjg59: ok
[12:20] <Nafallo> mjg59: amd64 + ati mobility radeon 9700 works btw :-)
[12:20] <pitti> mjg59: on the live CD, I did not get any output after "Starting Ubuntu...", just a long pause
[12:20] <pitti> that is really irritating
[12:24] <JaneW> chmj: have you totally taking over the Bluetooth SoC bounty mentoring?
[12:25] <chmj> JaneW: yes
[12:26] <chmj> JaneW: pitti still available to help
[12:27] <pitti> yes
[12:35] <pef> hello
[01:06] <tepsipakki> does someone here know why *gnome.org is down?
[01:14] <siretart> daniels: hi. I think there is something weird with xmkmf or makedepend. either xmkmf shoud require the command 'makedepend' or makedepend should provide 'gccmakedep'
[01:17] <siretart> daniels: if I symlink gccmakedep to makedepend, libforms1 can be built
[01:19] <fabbione> siretart: be carefull
[01:19] <fabbione> gccmakedepend is not the same
[01:20] <siretart> oh
[01:20] <fabbione> i don't recall details, but they behave differently
[01:21] <fabbione> siretart: thanks.. that's ok.. i remember hitting my head on it a year ago
[01:21] <fabbione> that's why i don't recall ;)
[01:21] <fabbione> or i don't want to remember :P
[01:21] <siretart> well, for libforms1, makedepends seems to be sufficient, but xmkmf creates makefiles requiring gccmakedep
[01:21] <siretart> thats the actual problem I see. after symlinking it, it works
[01:21] <siretart> s/works/builds/
[01:22] <fabbione> siretart: iirc gccmakedepends needs to be part of Imake
[01:22] <fabbione> let me check..
[01:23] <siretart> hm. there is no gccmakedep in imake
[01:23] <Nafallo> seb128_: why do everything on my system still want libcairo1 installed?
[01:23] <fabbione> it's either imake or xmkmf...
[01:23] <fabbione> in my very old pkgs they were all together
[01:24] <\sh> update from hoary to actual breezy is not working nicely..and removing firefox from hoary and trying to install firefox on breezy doesn't work ,-)
[01:24] <siretart> fabbione: it used to be in xutils, but this package is empty for now
[01:24] <fabbione> siretart: yes i know...
[01:24] <Nafallo> s/do/does/
[01:24] <seb128_> Nafallo: "everything"?
[01:24] <fabbione> siretart: we are in the process to start a big X bug squash party from monday..
[01:25] <fabbione> siretart: just open a bug so that we don't forget
[01:25] <seb128_> Nafallo: sudo apt-get remove libcairo2
[01:25] <siretart> fabbione: ok. will do. thanks
[01:25] <fabbione> siretart: np
[01:26] <jbailey> jdub: What do you mean initramfs root building on the buildd?
[01:26] <jbailey> jdub: Having trouble parsing that out. =)
[01:26] <Nafallo> seb128_: synaptic wants to remove the same things as with libcairo1.
[01:26] <Nafallo> seb128_: synaptic bug or something? :-)
[01:27] <seb128_> Nafallo: so things use cairo2 :)
[01:27] <seb128_> Nafallo: no is just you beeing too impatient, and having both doesn't hurt
[01:27] <Nafallo> seb128_: yepp, and deps libcairo2 :-P
[01:28] <seb128_> Nafallo: there was like 200 packages built with cairo1, let's wait to get them build
[01:28] <seb128_> s/build/rebuild
[01:28] <Nafallo> seb128_: hmm, oki :-). I thought stuff would know they should use new cairo (which they do), so I can't see why they want to old one :-P.
[01:29] <seb128_> Nafallo: that doesn't work this way
[01:29] <seb128_> Nafallo: ldd /usr/bin/nautilus | grep cairo
[01:29] <Nafallo> hm, oki. so it does use both :-P
[01:29] <seb128_> Nafallo: you have to rebuild to change a new soname
[01:30] <seb128_> Nafallo: nautilus does use cairo1, it has not rebuilt yet, cairo2 comes from gtk
[01:30] <seb128_> Nafallo: the soname is a build time stuff, not a dynamic running one
[01:30] <Lathiat> hrm
[01:30] <Lathiat> gedit seems to be linked against libcairo 1 and 2
[01:30] <seb128_> ie: you have to rebuild everything on a soname change, it's not working automagically
[01:31] <seb128_> Lathiat: gedit is built with cairo1, gtk with cairo2, cf what I was saying
[01:31] <Lathiat> oh right
[01:31] <Nafallo> seb128_: hmm, oki. I go with that explaination for a while :-)
[01:31] <Nafallo> atleast till I find new arguments ;-)
[01:32] <seb128_> Nafallo: you will not find any good argument on this, soname changes force you to rebuild
[01:32] <Nafallo> seb128_: yepp. but both wants to remove for instance beagle, which is already updated.
[01:32] <seb128> both what?
[01:33] <Nafallo> both libcairo1 and 2 :-)
[01:33] <seb128> keep both
[01:33] <seb128> that doesn't hurt
[01:33] <siretart> fabbione: filed as #13812
[01:33] <Nafallo> I'll sure will :-)
[01:33] <seb128> you need this few ko on your hdd or what?
[01:33] <fabbione> siretart: against what package?
[01:33] <siretart> fabbione: against xutils. they used to be there
[01:33] <Nafallo> seb128: hehe, just bugging me to see Installed (local or obsolute). I want stuff to be clean ;-).
[01:33] <siretart> fabbione: btw, the sparc won't go online this week. Joerg want to put them in another case
[01:34] <seb128> Nafallo: rebuild 180 packages yourself and you will be here
[01:34] <fabbione> siretart: ok. no problem for the sparcs.. there is no rush
[01:34] <seb128> Nafallo: or wait 1 or 2 days
[01:34] <fabbione> siretart: i am busy enough atm :P
[01:34] <Nafallo> seb128: *s*
[01:34] <siretart> sure ;)
[01:34] <sedak> fabbione
[01:34] <Nafallo> seb128: I rather work on libdps1 then ;-)
[01:35] <sedak> i am considered of adding a driver in the kernel
[01:35] <pitti> ogra__: schoolbell has debian/ files in the orig.tar.gz; is that upstream's fault or an accident?
[01:35] <sedak> can i pm you ?
[01:35] <ogra__> pitti, i dont think anybody of us touched the schoolbell packages
[01:35] <fabbione> sedak: the kernel is basically closed for breezy. open a wishlist bug with all the info and we will look at it for breezy+1
[01:36] <pitti> ogra__: Version: 1.1.1-1ubuntu2
[01:36] <fabbione> sedak: for curiosity... what driver is that?
[01:36] <ogra__> pitti, except for dep changes in the python transition
[01:36] <pitti> ogra__: you touched it last, before there was a sync
[01:36] <sedak> it's http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12679
[01:36] <sedak> i've already made a separated package
[01:36] <sedak> i need to ask siretart to the right to upload
[01:37] <sedak> siretart ?
[01:37] <sedak> you're here ?
[01:37] <siretart> sedak: yes, im here
[01:38] <infinity> seb128 : Still need a mess of give-backs?
[01:38] <fabbione> siretart: i doubt it can make it for breezy
[01:38] <seb128> infinity: yeah, due to libpixman.la
[01:38] <infinity> seb128 : Do you have a list, or do I need to hunt?
[01:38] <seb128> wait
[01:38] <siretart> fabbione: I really would like to have lyx in breezy!
[01:39] <fabbione> siretart: lyx ?
[01:40] <ogra__> pitti, i definately didnt make it native :)
[01:40] <daniels> siretart: xmkmf/makedepend> i dunno. not everything using xmkmf needs makedepend, but it could be nice.
[01:40] <ogra__> pitti, must have been upstream...
[01:40] <Nafallo> siretart: lyx in swedish is luxury, so sure :-)
[01:40] <seb128> infinity: gnome-desktop eel2 nautilus nautilus-cd-burner totem
[01:41] <fabbione> daniels: look around my young padowa
[01:41] <seb128> infinity: these packages with this order, and after that you can massive give back ... do you need the whole list for other stuff?
[01:41] <daniels> fabbione: hmm?
[01:41] <siretart> fabbione: lyx is a grafical word processor, using latex
[01:42] <fabbione> daniels: never mind :)
[01:42] <fabbione> siretart: and why do you ask me?
[01:42] <seb128> does somebody know where hides http://arch.ubuntu.com/[email protected]/ ?
[01:42] <fabbione> siretart: i will upload my first set of pkgs smaller than 1MB today .. for the first time in my life..
[01:42] <fabbione> it's going to be an experience
[01:42] <daniels> fabbione: you love modularisation
[01:43] <seb128> jamesh: do you know what's going on with http://arch.ubuntu.com/[email protected]/ ?
[01:43] <pitti> seb128: ok, cool, we have (or had) the whole gnome cvs imported?
[01:43] <Nafallo> hi daniels :-)
[01:43] <fabbione> daniels: i love sed more :)
[01:43] <seb128> pitti: maybe not the whole, but a good part yeah ...
[01:43] <jamesh> seb128: in what sense?
[01:43] <pitti> jamesh: 404 sense
[01:43] <seb128> jamesh: 404 not found
[01:43] <jamesh> hmm
[01:43] <ogra__> pitti, 1.0-1 has this too
[01:43] <seb128> jamesh: that used to work ... :)
[01:44] <pitti> ogra__: ok, nm
[01:44] <jamesh> seb128: try bazaar.ubuntu.com
[01:44] <ogra__> pitti, so its upstreams fault... i'll talk to jinty, he made the package afaik
[01:44] <seb128> jamesh: this one works, thanks
[01:44] <siretart> daniels: I attached a debdiff to libforms1 to bug #13812 I just filed. It just needs this gccmakedepend issue. now I'm stuck because I don't where to get gccmakedep :(
[01:44] <pitti> ogra__: either upstream's or the packager's
[01:45] <ogra__> pitti, they are the same
[01:45] <jamesh> seb128: no idea why arch.ubuntu.com stopped working though
[01:45] <pitti> ah :-)
[01:45] <ogra__> pitti, jinty is release manager for schooltool and friends as well as the packager ;)
[01:45] <mvo> jamesh: did you got my launchpad-integration mail?
[01:46] <seb128> jamesh: no big deal, the other one works fine :)
[01:48] <infinity> seb128 : Do those need to be done serially?
[01:49] <jamesh> mvo: just looked at it quickly. I reckon we'll need a bit of extra API for it to actually work from Python though (the "this is my source package name" API)
[01:49] <jamesh> mvo: or else we'll be directing everyone to /distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/python/whatever
[01:49] <mvo> jamesh: good point, I'll have a look
[01:50] <ogra__> pitti, was ripping out mozilla of nvu a requirement or a suggestion ?
[01:50] <pitti> ogra__: please don't introduce another copy of moz code
[01:50] <seb128> infinity: yep
[01:51] <ogra__> pitti, hmm... ok....
[01:51] <pitti> ogra__: we try to get rid of the code, not get more of it
[01:51] <infinity> seb128 : Right. You sucks. That is all.
[01:51] <infinity> s/sucks/suck/
[01:51] <pitti> ogra__: can you please try to build with m-firefox-dev?
[01:51] <daniels> siretart: you don't want gccmakedep, I don't understand why you're trying to use it
[01:51] <ogra__> pitti, have you seen the package ?
[01:51] <seb128> infinity: not my fault if we ship these .la files !
[01:51] <daniels> siretart: the xorg monolithic tree uses 'makedepend', which is packaged under the cleverly-concealing name, 'makedepend'.
[01:51] <pitti> ogra__: yes; a PITA
[01:51] <ogra__> jup
[01:52] <daniels> siretart: i assume everything else using xmkmf uses this also, which would make sense, because xutils previously provided makedepend, not gccmakedep.
[01:52] <infinity> seb128 : So take daniel's lead and stop shipping them. :)
[01:52] <daniels> siretart: if you want to use gcc's depend thing, you can, but makedepend is there also.
[01:53] <seb128> infinity: we should just have a dh_something hacked to drop them
[01:54] <daniels> dh_stabintheface
[01:54] <infinity> I'd support that. dh_destroy should be a facist script that just removes anything we don't like.
[01:54] <daniels> which eliminates all of the things that make daniels angry
[01:54] <daniels> 'libtool? not any more!'
[01:54] <daniels> 'xprint, not bloody likely'
[01:55] <Treenaks> dh_fascist ?
[01:55] <Nafallo> dh_daniels
[01:55] <Nafallo> :-)
[01:55] <ogra__> pitti, you should probably leave schooltool for now..., i forwarded you a mail... but it doesnt look like they'll make it in time
[01:56] <Treenaks> Nafallo: what should that do? s/^\(Maintainer:\).*/\1 Daniel Stone <>/ in debian/control ?
[01:56] <pitti> ogra__: ok, then we can also defer schoolbell?
[01:56] <daniels> Treenaks: hrranghr
[01:56] <Treenaks> daniels: oh wait, control.in of course
[01:58] <Nafallo> Treenaks: that and dh_fascist things ;-)
[01:58] <ogra__> pitti, the mail only talks about schooltool.... and as i said, i doubt they'll make it in time... i told jinty the packages have to be ready and pbuilder/lintian clean before the 30th, but i didnt hear back anything yet
[01:59] <daniels> lintian?
[01:59] <ogra__> pitti, see the mail from sabdfl about it... but i dont want to delay edubuntu just because schooltool is late
[01:59] <daniels> dh_stabintheface would remove lintian also
[01:59] <jbailey> Is there an easy way to tell what package versions are on the livecd without booting into it?
[01:59] <daniels> jbailey: download it, mount it, mount the cloop, dpkg -l
[01:59] <ogra__> (edubuntu is delayed enough already)
[01:59] <Nafallo> daniels: merge all that in dh_daniels please ;-)
[02:00] <pitti> ogra__: which mail from Mark? can you forward it to me, please?
[02:00] <jbailey> daniels: Ah well, thanks.
[02:01] <pitti> erm, gcc changelog: "Build-depend on libcairo2-dev"; seb128, did you infiltrate gcc already? gtk bugs in our compiler?
[02:01] <pitti> gcc - now with font smoothing
[02:01] <Nafallo> lol
[02:01] <seb128> pitti: gcc uses gtk :)
[02:02] <pitti> seb128: does gcc now have a gtk gui???
[02:02] <pitti> scream
[02:02] <infinity> pitti : java.
[02:02] <seb128> pitti: no, but cairo is used for gcj
[02:02] <ogra__> pitti, i just did... thats the mail i talk about all the time ...
[02:03] <pitti> ogra: ah, I see
[02:03] <ogra> :)
[02:05] <\sh> daniels: xlibmesa-gl-dev is now libgl1-mesa-dev ?
[02:05] <\sh> or libgl1-xorg-mesa?
[02:06] <daniels> \sh: libgl1-mesa-dev. libgl*-xorg* is dead.
[02:07] <\sh> daniels: and according to this xlibmesa-glu-dev is libglu1-mesa-dev
[02:07] <infinity> \sh : libgl1-mesa-dev for GL and libglu1-mesa-dev for GLU.
[02:07] <\sh> infinity: thx ...
[02:08] <infinity> \sh : I'm still uploading fixes all night. They have t obe done in a reasonably sane order.
[02:08] <\sh> infinity: well..I just check the unmetdeps list..and I found a girlfriend again which I fixed before mesa trans.
[02:09] <infinity> ... You fixed your girlfriend before the mesa transition?
[02:09] <\sh> hehhee
[02:09] <infinity> I'm so lost.
[02:09] <\sh> well..yes...girlfriend is arkrpg ,-)
[02:10] <Treenaks> \sh: so you're a l33t g4m3r now?
[02:10] <infinity> Anyhow, if you do plan on fixing stuff, can you make sure to remove ALL references to xlibmesa-* and libgl*-xorg*?
[02:10] <Nafallo> \sh: your girlfriend needed to be fixed :-). did she build cleanly on all arches?
[02:10] <daniels> infinity: ... why ... on earth ... does kdebase ... want xmkmf ...
[02:10] <infinity> \sh : Otherwise, just wait for me to do them all.
[02:10] <infinity> daniels : Fucked if I know, dude. CHeck the build log.
[02:10] <Nafallo> \sh: does that mean you ported virtual valerie? ;-)
[02:11] <ogra> pitti, ?? only needed for schooltool, but that will not be ready for Breezy; deferred ??
[02:11] <\sh> infinity: u don't want to do universe, right?
[02:11] <ogra> pitti, we need it for edubuntu, the question is which version ...
[02:11] <pitti> ogra: ah, you can use it on its own?
[02:11] <pitti> ogra: ah, ok
[02:11] <ogra> nope
[02:11] <daniels> infinity: urgh
[02:12] <seb128> pitti: is there a known locale issue?
[02:12] <infinity> \sh : I don't know if I WANT to, but I was going to anyway.
[02:12] <pitti> seb128: no?
[02:12] <\sh> infinity: ok...then we will w8 for u :)
[02:12] <pitti> ogra: nope == you can't use it on its own?
[02:12] <ogra> pitti, its just a question if we do a last minute update, if this would need a new main inclusion report, please leave it until we know if they make it
[02:13] <pitti> ok
[02:16] <ogra> pitti, i just want to avoid doubled work
[02:17] <sedak> fabbione, i've uploaded the module package on revu (rtl8180-kernel)
[02:18] <fabbione> revu??
[02:18] <sedak> i don't know what to do next ... if someone want to check it, it may be a good idea as it is my first package
[02:18] <fabbione> what's that?
[02:18] <sedak> i don't really know :-)
[02:18] <Nafallo> fabbione: MOTUs reviewsystem :-)
[02:18] <fabbione> Nafallo: ok
[02:18] <siretart> daniels: I don't really want gccmakedep. but xmkmf is creating makefile which call that binary!
[02:19] <fabbione> sedak: -> #ubuntu-motu
[02:19] <Nafallo> fabbione: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/ for a look ;-)
[02:19] <fabbione> Nafallo: i am quite busy..
[02:19] <sedak> ok
[02:19] <Nafallo> fabbione: oki :-)
[02:19] <siretart> fabbione: he talks about this one: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=422
[02:20] <ogra> fabbione, its a kernel nic module, the question i wanted sedak to ask you was if its possible to get it included in the kernel rather then having a separate package in universe thats why i sent him here...
[02:21] <zul> fabbione: if need be i can create a patch for it
[02:22] <fabbione> ogra: breezy kernel is closed
[02:22] <seb128> mvo: is gnome-language-selector changing any config file?
[02:22] <fabbione> only bug fixing
[02:22] <ogra> fabbione, oh
[02:22] <ogra> ok
[02:22] <zul> ok
[02:22] <mvo> seb128: yes the language in /etc/envirorment
[02:22] <seb128> mvo: I've used it to install the french input package yesterday and today I've LANG set to fr_FR
[02:22] <seb128> instead of fr_FR.UTF-8
[02:22] <mvo> *ick*,
[02:23] <mvo> seb128: that's a bug, I'll fix it (that it does not set utf-8)
[02:23] <fabbione> zul: thanks, but we to go bug fixing now..
[02:23] <pitti> mvo: does l-s touch ~/.profile or call language-env?
[02:23] <seb128> mvo: thanks to it I've
[02:23] <seb128> locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
[02:23] <seb128> locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
[02:23] <seb128> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
[02:23] <seb128> mvo: fr_FR@euro and fr_FR.UTF-8 are generated but not fr_FR ... so it broke my locales :)
[02:23] <mvo> pitti: no, it does not touch ~/.profile
[02:23] <Nafallo> hmm, I got that bug :-)
[02:23] <pitti> mvo: do you call language-env?
[02:24] <mvo> pitti: no
[02:24] <mvo> should I?
[02:24] <pitti> mvo: seb128 has some l-env magic comments and the wrong LANG= between in his .profile
[02:24] <pitti> mvo: no, you shouldn't
[02:24] <Treenaks> seb128: hey, I've heard that about nl_NL vs nl_NL.UTF-8 as well
[02:24] <Treenaks> pitti: , sorry
[02:24] <Nafallo> I did dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales to fix is though :-P
[02:25] <seb128> mvo, pitti: the .profile maybe comes from me, and it's fr_FR@euro which is not b0rked
[02:25] <seb128> but
[02:25] <seb128> $ grep LANG /etc/environment
[02:25] <seb128> LANGUAGE="fr_FR:fr"
[02:25] <seb128> LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8
[02:25] <seb128> $ sudo gnome-language-selector
[02:25] <seb128> $ grep LANG /etc/environment
[02:25] <seb128> LANGUAGE="fr_FR:fr"
[02:25] <seb128> LANG="fr_FR"
[02:25] <seb128>
[02:26] <seb128> that's it
[02:26] <seb128> pitti, mvo: thanks
[02:27] <seb128> mvo: should I bugzilla that?
[02:27] <mvo> seb128: if you want, but I have made a not for myself already
[02:27] <daniels> siretart: oh. libforms1 sucks.
[02:28] <seb128> mvo: ok, that's fine if you know about it, no need of bugzilla :)
[02:28] <mvo> ok, thanks for noticing :)
[02:28] <seb128> np
[02:29] <tseng> seb128: will you take care of problems from cairo transition?
[02:29] <tseng> seb128: for example muine ppc ftbfs on libpanel
[02:29] <siretart> daniels: thats possible. how do I make it to use makedepend?
[02:30] <daniels> siretart: wait for xmkmf 0.99.0-3, which forces makedepend for projects which can't be arsed picking which one they want :P
[02:30] <siretart> daniels: excellent! :)
[02:31] <seb128> tseng: yeah
[02:31] <tseng> seb128: thanks.
[02:31] <fabbione> Nafallo: You don't have permission to access /revu/incoming/rtl8180-kernel-0508191415/rtl8180-kernel_0.22.0cvs050817-1_source.changes on this server.
[02:31] <fabbione> so how one is supposed to check stuff, if you can't download it?
[02:31] <siretart> fabbione: thats on purpose. that will be fixed in revu2
[02:31] <seb128> tseng: np. This one should autoretry anyway
[02:31] <siretart> fabbione: you don't need the changes file, the other files are downloadable
[02:32] <fabbione> yes if i only want to check what's changed....
[02:32] <fabbione> and i don't need to download *
[02:32] <siretart> fabbione: yeah, I could have just rm'ed the file, or sed'ded the gpg sigs. but that was more convinient for me to debug this prototype
[02:33] <siretart> fabbione: you can use the debdiff link from the overview page
[02:33] <siretart> and sorry, debdiffing to version in archive will be in revu2
[02:33] <fabbione> even if you sed the gpg sign you obtain nothing useful
[02:34] <fabbione> once i can download .dsc .diff.gz .orig i can rebuild and get a really signed .changes
[02:34] <siretart> I wanted to prevent that $RANDOM_GUY grabs signed packages from review and upload it to ubuntu.
[02:34] <siretart> there are also ppl with keys in the ubuntu keyring uploading to revu
[02:35] <fabbione> siretart: just strip the signature :)
[02:35] <fabbione> or mangle it to death
[02:35] <sedak> fabbione, i am changing the package a little anyway
[02:35] <fabbione> ok
[02:35] <siretart> fabbione: we are currently working on a rewrite: revu2. there we will do something like that. (most probably throwing changes file away and regenerating it, we will see)
[02:36] <sedak> i'll tell you when i think it'll be the final temporary version :-)
[02:36] <fabbione> siretart: just strip the signature :)
[02:36] <fabbione> it's easier
[02:36] <fabbione> i love "final temporary version" :)
[02:37] <Nafallo> hehe
[02:37] <siretart> :)
[02:40] <JaneW> are there any willing LTSP testers around?
[02:41] <lu|dinner> define 'ltsp tester' :)
[02:41] <JaneW> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspBreezyTest
[02:41] <tseng> morn luis
[02:41] <luis_> morning, tseng
[02:41] <JaneW> and http://edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting
[02:42] <luis_> I don't really have time this morning, but I'll read through; I might have time this afternoon.
[02:42] <JaneW> luis_: finally https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientIntegration (enough?)
[02:42] <JaneW> luis_: cool we desperately need more testers
[02:43] <luis_> I've been interested in playing with ltsp for a long time
[02:43] <luis_> this seems like a good excuse :)
[02:43] <luis_> (since I have no other really good reason to do it :)
[02:43] <ogra> luis_, you need two machines for that, one that acts as ltsp server and one that can PXEboot as thin client
[02:44] <Lathiat> matching?
[02:44] <Lathiat> oh
[02:44] <luis_> ogra: yes, I know; I have three around the house :)
[02:44] <Lathiat> sorry
[02:44] <Lathiat> i read that out of nowhere, ignore me.
[02:44] <luis_> four, but one has not booted in at least three years :)
[02:49] <Nafallo> hmm, there is nothing new about the breezy+1 conference?
[02:52] <ogra> yay, pitti
[02:52] <ogra> --with-system-nspr Use system installed NSPR
[02:52] <ogra> --with-nspr-prefix=PFX Prefix where NSPR is installed
[02:52] <ogra> --with-nspr-exec-prefix=PFX
[02:52] <ogra> Exec prefix where NSPR is installed
[02:52] <seb128> infinity: you can start kicking all the other stuff when nautilus is built, few stuff build-depends on nautilus-cd-burner/totem
[02:52] <ogra> hehe, looks easier then i thought
[02:52] <pitti> ogra: well, that's nspr, not the complete mozilla; but it's a start :-)
[02:52] <ogra> (nvu that is)
[02:53] <pitti> ogra: and using the system nspr is required anyway :-)
[02:53] <ogra> it doesnt use it now
[02:53] <luis_> JaneW: anyway, anything in particular you wanted poked on ltsp? or just 'I can pxe-boot the remote client from the server'?
[02:53] <luis_> 'and nothing immediately blows up'? :)
[02:54] <ogra> luis_, "you can use it and work with it...."
[02:54] <luis_> ok
[02:56] <JaneW> luis_: I am passing on the message for mdz, so you could ask him, else I think testing in general is required...
[02:57] <luis_> OK, I'll poke around, after I'm burnt out on the morning's task :)
[03:00] <Mithrandir> elmo: please sync libtextwrap
[03:03] <fabbione> elmo: please start the NEW the kernels...
[03:03] <fabbione> to NEW even
[03:03] <azeem> daniels: do you happen to have a list of all the new x.org source packages, or is there an easy way to get them
[03:03] <azeem> ?
[03:04] <daniels> azeem: ha ha ha ha ha ha
[03:04] <azeem> pfft
[03:05] <daniels> daniels@ephemera:~/canonical% find drm/ mesa/ xfonts/ xorg/ -name \*.orig.tar.gz | cut -f1 -d_ | wc -l
[03:05] <daniels> 122
[03:05] <daniels> azeem: plus about another 40 or so in drivers
[03:06] <daniels> azeem: so probably about 170 all up, plus all the apps fabio's doing ... maybe 200 altogether?
[03:06] <azeem> hrm
[03:16] <pitti> Hey jdthood , how are you
[03:17] <jdthood> pitti: Fine, thanks
[03:17] <seb128> jamesh:
[03:17] <seb128> lib/Makefile.am:
[03:18] <seb128> -EXTRA_DIST = lpi.defs
[03:18] <seb128> +EXTRA_DIST = lpi.defs lpi.override
[03:19] <mvo> seb128, jamesh: added, thanks
[03:19] <seb128> mvo: added what to what? what archive should I package ... ? :)
[03:20] <mvo> seb128: heh :) added to my branch
[03:24] <mvo> seb128: I'm changing the name of the python module from "lpi" to "LaunchpadIntegration", please wait with a upload until that is finished
[03:25] <seb128> mvo: sure, I'm just playing here, I'm waiting to have a python version of launchpad_integration_set_sourcepackagename :)
[03:25] <mvo> seb128: already done ;) please merge from my archive
[03:34] <seb128> pitti: do you know why there is no mozilla-firefox-dom-inspector current version for hoary?
[03:36] <\sh> hmmm...I will play this weekend with shtoom
[03:36] <\sh> I think this is a nice work to do ... learning twisted, learning shtoom ,-)
[03:37] <pitti> seb128: it's not? did you look in universe? (it shold be there)
[03:38] <seb128> pitti: a pygtk guy asked here yesterday, he has hoary-security for main and universe
[03:38] <seb128> pitti: he says there is no 1.6.0-0ubuntu0.0.1 for it, just 1.6.0-0ubuntu0.1 from warty-security
[03:38] <pitti> seb128:
[03:38] <pitti> mozilla-firefox-dom-inspector | 1.0.2-0ubuntu5 | hoary/universe | amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc
[03:38] <pitti> mozilla-firefox-dom-inspector | 1.0.6-0ubuntu0.1 | hoary-security/universe | amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc
[03:39] <seb128> hum
[03:39] <pitti> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/m/mozilla-firefox/
[03:39] <seb128> k, I'll ping him again
[03:39] <pitti> it's there
[03:39] <seb128> sorry for the noise
[03:39] <seb128> from where do you get the "mozilla-firefox-dom-inspector | 1.0.6-0ubuntu0.1 | hoary-security/universe | amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc" ?
[03:41] <pitti> seb128: madison on jackass
[03:41] <seb128> thanks
[03:42] <pitti> seb128: if you have the deb lines for hoary-security, you can also do it locally with apt-cache madison
[03:42] <pitti> no worries :-)
[03:47] <pitti> ah, so my new glibc is not a complete disaster at least :)
[03:47] <seb128> cool
[04:01] <Nafallo> fabbione: ping
[04:02] <fabbione> Nafallo: very short pong.. i am going offline for a bit
[04:02] <Nafallo> fabbione: why did the new kernel sett my root=/dev/hda2 to sda?
[04:02] <Nafallo> set even
[04:02] <fabbione> never.. the kernel does NOT set root=
[04:02] <fabbione> that's initramfs
[04:03] <fabbione> or grub
[04:03] <fabbione> the kernel doesn't play with that stuff at all
[04:03] <fabbione> Nafallo: you want to talk with jbailey
[04:03] <infinity> Argh, GCC, QT, glibc, kernel... Could we upload a few more giant packages now, so I can't get anything done? Please? Yay.
[04:03] <Nafallo> fabbione: thanx :-)
[04:04] <j^> seb128 will you update totem to 1.1.4 or is totem not considered part of gnome-desktop?
[04:04] <fabbione> infinity: is the kernel actually building anywhere?
[04:04] <fabbione> i mean.. even sparc is already uploaded.
[04:04] <fabbione> your buildd's are slow...
[04:04] <infinity> No, but it ate some buildds for a while. And I felt like complaning.
[04:05] <fabbione> linux-source-2.6.12_2.6.12-7.11_sparc.changes is NEW
[04:05] <Nafallo> jbailey: why did the root=/dev/hda2 became root=/dev/sda2 in grubs menu.list after I upgraded the kernel? :-)
[04:05] <fabbione> infinity: so noone is actually building the kernel?
[04:06] <seb128> j^: I've updated to 1.1.4 the day of the tarball
[04:06] <Nafallo> jbailey, fabbione: dooh! I hate ssh :-P
[04:06] <fabbione> infinity: better you get the kernel done for when i am back :P
[04:07] <infinity> fabbione : powerpc and ia64 are.
[04:07] <j^> seb128 http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/gnome/totem still shows 1.1.3-0ubuntu4
[04:07] <fabbione> what's up with amd64/i386?
[04:08] <seb128> j^: Source Package: totem, Download: [dsc] [totem_1.1.4.orig.tar.gz] [totem_1.1.4-0ubuntu2.diff.gz]
[04:08] <seb128> j^: the build issue is on my list
[04:08] <j^> seb128 http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/t/totem/1.1.4-0ubuntu2/ failed on all archs
[04:08] <j^> ah ok
[04:09] <infinity> fabbione : Uhh, and i386.
[04:09] <infinity> fabbione : Only amd64 is done.
[04:09] <fabbione> ok
[04:09] <fabbione> thanks
[04:09] <fabbione> later
[04:10] <whiprush_> j^: did you mention the other day that you had patches for network-manager someplace?
[04:11] <j^> whiprush_ http://bootlab.org/~j/bazaar/
[04:12] <whiprush_> thanks
[04:12] <j^> debian-dir--network-manager--0.4 + network-manager--j--0
[04:13] <lucas> hi
[04:17] <lucas> I can't seem to find memtest on hoary's CDs. am I blind ? if I am not, what's the pseudo package to submit a wishlist bug about this ? debian-cd ?
[04:24] <torkel> whiprush_: I never heard anything from the guys working on the kerberos ticket manager. Did the project die?
[04:32] <Mithrandir> lucas: it's there, package name is memtest86+
[04:32] <Mithrandir> lucas: it's installed into the grub menu by default
[04:33] <lucas> I mean it's not available from the isolinux command line at boot
[04:33] <lucas> without installing ubuntu
[04:33] <lucas> (like it is in knoppix for example)
[04:33] <Mithrandir> it's on the live cd
[04:33] <Mithrandir> at least in breezy
[04:33] <lucas> ok
[04:33] <lucas> not in hoary it seems
[04:35] <lucas> erm
[04:36] <lucas> :-)
[04:38] <lucas> I really can't find it. The only available "boot methods" are live and live-expert
[04:39] <desrt> Mithrandir; no. no idea.
[04:39] <desrt> Mithrandir; it's happened to several people, though
[04:40] <desrt> Mithrandir; kjartan maraas has found a leak in gamin but it's quite small in comparison
[04:41] <Mithrandir> desrt: is there anything I can do to help track it down?
[04:41] <desrt> Mithrandir; you can valgrind gam_server i guess
[04:42] <Mithrandir> desrt: I'm on amd64, unsure if that has anything to do with it (given that the initial report was for i386)
[04:42] <desrt> Mithrandir; as so far it's been quite difficult for anybody to get it to leak that memory in a controlled environment
[04:42] <Mithrandir> I'll see what I can get done.
[04:47] <mdke> what is the workaround to the current x-window-system problem in breezy?
[04:47] <mdke> (with libgl1-xorg-dri)
[04:48] <daniels> install libgl1-mesa-dri and libgl1-mesa instead
[04:48] <lamont> mdz: pics finished copying sometime during the night
[04:49] <mdke> daniels, okay thanks
[04:49] <mdke> daniels, i should also remove x-window-system-core?
[04:50] <mdke> oh sorry my bad
[04:50] <mdke> i see it
[04:50] <lamont> lucas: if you have a warty live iso, I expect it's there
[04:50] <lamont> (memtest, that is)
[04:51] <tseng> what is the url to the top of the arch supermirror?
[04:51] <mdke> daniels, actually I can't seem to get it to install those
[04:52] <mdke> i need to force something?
[04:58] <mdke> does anyone else know?
[05:03] <infinity> mdke : It's a transient dependency issue between several metapackages, I suspect.
[05:04] <mdke> could be
[05:04] <mdke> but i'd like to fix it because I can't seem to update anything else until i do
[05:05] <infinity> What's the error?
[05:05] <infinity> You should be able to give apt explicit instructions on how to proceed.
[05:06] <infinity> Like "apt-get --purge install libgl1-mesa libglu1-mesa libgl1-mesa-dri x-window-system-core- ubuntu-desktop-"
[05:06] <infinity> (Note the trailing "-" on the packages you want to remove)
[05:07] <infinity> You can reinstall ubuntu-desktop in a few days when we've unbroken the metapackage deps.
[05:08] <mdke> i'll try that command thanks
[05:08] <azeem> //(/ /w 28
[05:09] <infinity> mdke : Or something similar. Note that I've not seen the exact error on your machine, so I'm just guessing at a reasonable solution. Basically, if apt needs to change state of too many packages at once, it just gives up and begs you to tell it what to do.
[05:09] <mvo> seb128: do you think we should upload the new python enabled launchpad integration stuff? if so, I can upload a new g-a-i with that enabled
[05:09] <infinity> mdke : So you need to tell it (in one run, hence the +/- notation) what to do.
[05:09] <seb128> mvo: where did that landed? to your archive?
[05:10] <infinity> mdke : Never an issue in a final release, i we're doing our jobs right, but during development, we confuse apt a LOT at times.
[05:10] <mvo> seb128: yes, you can merge from it
[05:10] <seb128> mvo: fine with me. Want to update the package or should I do it?
[05:10] <mdke> infinity, yeah that is good to know. I'm not 100% sure of all of the packages i need to remove, but I'll tinker around
[05:11] <seb128> infinity: how is the buildd kicking going?
[05:11] <infinity> mdke : Alternately, use a smarter frontend like aptitude or dselect, which may actually figure it out for you
[05:11] <infinity> seb128 : Okay, so far.
[05:11] <mdke> infinity, okay i'll try
[05:12] <seb128> infinity: you can massively retry from now since nautilus is built
[05:14] <infinity> seb128 : <nod>... Just waiting fron cron.daily to finish.
[05:14] <seb128> cool
[05:15] <infinity> The GCC/glibc/kernel/QT uploads kinda stuffed me up for bit.
[05:15] <infinity> I'm just going to find the silver lining and be thankful that no one uploaded OpenOffice too.
[05:16] <seb128> how does the retry stuff work? You have to give a list of package to the buildds?
[05:16] <infinity> In essence.
[05:16] <infinity> I cheat in sick and strange ways.
[05:16] <seb128> he he
[05:18] <dilinger> infinity: where are you living now, btw?
[05:18] <daniels> on the wrong side of town
[05:19] <infinity> Or the right one.
[05:19] <infinity> dilinger : Melbourne, last time I looked.
[05:22] <dieman> grr
[05:22] <dieman> i think the tds.net mirror is behind again
[05:36] <jasoncohen> pitti, i thought you weren't going to patch gnupg
[05:38] <pitti> jasoncohen: well, that open bug and the ubuntu-cve entry just annoyed me :-)
[05:38] <jasoncohen> pitti, heh, so it wore you down
[05:39] <pitti> jasoncohen: I couldn't stand bugzilla throwing it at me every day any more :-)
[05:39] <jasoncohen> pitti, when were the CVE's affecting the kernel found? i didn't see them the last time i checked the list of open CVEs
[05:40] <pitti> jasoncohen: well, they aren't "found", but requested
[05:40] <pitti> jasoncohen: I just requested some from mitre some days ago
[05:40] <pitti> jasoncohen: but mitre only updates their db once or twice a week
[05:40] <pitti> so they are lagging a bit
[05:40] <pitti> but many of the kernel CANs are there
[05:42] <jasoncohen> i still receive DSAs and it's pretty amusing that firefox and mozilla still haven't been patched by Debian. i think they fixed a few of the more serious issues only
[05:42] <pitti> jasoncohen: yes, only two of them
[05:42] <pitti> probably those they could backport
[05:42] <jasoncohen> so, are they just not going to patch the rest?
[05:42] <pitti> there was a discussion about whether just using new upstreams
[05:42] <pitti> no idea
[05:43] <pitti> I learned the hard way that patching can become impossible...
[05:43] <pitti> or, at least, exponentially hard
[05:43] <infinity> pitti : Did you see the Debian thunderbird update?... Absolute crack.
[05:44] <pitti> I remember the ffox one..
[05:44] <infinity> They backported EVERYTHING between 1.0.2 and 1.0.6 /except the version number/
[05:44] <pitti> infinity: I saw asacs prepared 1.0.6 package
[05:44] <infinity> So, it's 1.0.6, but reports 1.0.2. Crazy.
[05:44] <pitti> infinity: haha
[05:44] <pitti> so essentially they used asac's package
[05:44] <pitti> lol
[05:44] <infinity> Not sure if that was asac's idea (his name's on the changelog) or joey's.
[05:45] <infinity> But. Weird.
[05:45] <infinity> Very weird.
[05:45] <pitti> infinity: I talked with asac, he wanted it to be 1.0.6-0sarge1 or so
[05:45] <fabbione> infinity: how is going ppc build?
[05:47] <pitti> does anybody have reasonably knowledge about openssl?
[05:47] <infinity> fabbione : building powerpc-smp right now.
[05:47] <infinity> pitti : How deep in the API do you need to go?
[05:48] <pitti> infinity: not at all
[05:48] <infinity> pitti : I've wrapped my head around some bits used in php-openssl and apache-ssl.
[05:48] <pitti> infinity: I just wonder whether it will break anything if we change the default md algorithm to sha-1 (from md5)
[05:48] <fabbione> infinity: ok.. that doesn't tell me much :).. how many other flavours have been done already?
[05:48] <infinity> Changing the default is almost certainly a bad idea.
[05:48] <infinity> fabbione : No idea.
[05:48] <infinity> fabbione : I'm just tailin ght elog.
[05:49] <pitti> infinity: #13593; upstream does it in 0.9.8 since md5 became less secure
[05:49] <infinity> pitti : Are we that scared of md5 collisions?
[05:49] <fabbione> infinity: cd linux-source-2.6.12-2.6.12/debian/build && for i in build-*; do du -sk $i; done
[05:49] <pitti> infinity: the reporter of that bug has, apparently
[05:49] <fabbione> you can see by size :)
[05:49] <pitti> infinity: s/has/is/
[05:49] <infinity> pitti : In theory, because hashes are tagged uniquely, all the functions that read hashes should read them correctly regardless.
[05:50] <infinity> pitti : So the only potential for issues is with third party apps that expect something to have been an md5 and now it's not.
[05:51] <elmo> hum, how do I use the 'rescue' mode without having it mount the root filesystem?
[05:51] <pitti> infinity: right, but that's the part I don't understand - "(we didn't change 0.9.7 as we didn't want to break existing
[05:51] <pitti> implementations depending on the default digest being MD5)"
[05:51] <infinity> pitti : Oh, he's just asking for it for cert generation?.. That sounds more safe.
[05:52] <infinity> elmo : Get a woody boot disk? :)
[05:52] <infinity> elmo : Or kick to another VT before it gets to the "mount a root disk" option.
[05:53] <infinity> pitti : I thought we were talking a fundamental API/ABI change, requesting that all hash/digest functions return sha-1 instead of md5 if the hash is unspecified.
[05:53] <elmo> yeah, well, I'm having fun figuring out switch to another VT on powerpc d-i
[05:53] <infinity> pitti : It it's just openssl.cf he wants changed, I doubt it'll break TOO much.
[05:54] <daniels> elmo: get a real keyboard, hippy
[05:54] <pitti> infinity: ouch, no. It should still be supported, of course
[05:54] <infinity> elmo : OpenApple-F2?
[05:54] <pitti> infinity: ok, I just do that change in breezy, then let's see :-)
[05:54] <pitti> infinity: thansk
[05:54] <fabbione> elmo: can't you just use the normal installer in expert mode and stop at parman? go back to the menu and down to the "Execute a shell"?
[05:54] <daniels> elmo: (more seriously, I think the sense of Fn is inverted, so it's something like OpenApple-Fn-F1)
[05:54] <fabbione> s/parman/partman
[05:55] <ogra> fabbione, if he cant switch to console ?
[05:55] <fabbione> ogra: that does not require to switch console
[05:55] <fabbione> it requires to boot the installer in expert mode and make it stop at partman
[05:55] <ogra> err, yes, i misread, sorry
[05:55] <fabbione> hit "Go Back"
[05:56] <fabbione> and go to the main menu, where there is "Execute a shell"
[05:56] <fabbione> same VT :)
[05:56] <ogra> :)
[05:57] <lamont> mdz: syncing syck_0.55-2 from debian will fix ia64's FTBFS - thoughts?
[06:15] <mjg59> Simira: Latest kernel in Breezy should reboot on your hardware
[06:16] <\sh> re
[06:18] <sivang> hi all
[06:24] <fabbione> infinity: please make ppc go faster and install a ppc64 kernel
[06:33] <pitti> good bye, nice weekend!
[06:36] <mjg59> I installed a new kernel, rebooted and I have a message telling me I need to reboot
[06:36] <Lathiat> yeh its good isnt it
[06:36] <mjg59> I already have done!
[06:36] <Lathiat> that thing should be shot
[06:37] <mjg59> On boot, messages telling me I need to reboot ought to be cleaned out
[06:41] <KaiL> does somebody know about the nvidia driver issues with GeForce2 and older?
[06:42] <KaiL> because breezy has ONLY the newer driver (which does NOT work with this cards..)
[06:43] <mjg59> KaiL: Yes. nvidia appear to have shafted us.
[06:43] <fabbione> KaiL: you can't have 2 nvidia drivers at the same time.
[06:43] <fabbione> and you need to ask them why the old card is not supported
[06:43] <Burgundavia> mjg59, sorry I have been offline. My home internet died. There are a few things I want to chat to you about, issues with community people and getting good testing results
[06:43] <fabbione> it's a binary driver for which there is no code or support from us directly
[06:43] <KaiL> fabbione, additional packages with "legacy" in the name for the old one?
[06:44] <infinity> Probably something as simple as missing PCI IDs or something, since their drivers should be backward compatible all the way to the TNT.
[06:44] <fabbione> KaiL: no way...
[06:44] <KaiL> ...if the old driver works at least for 2.6.12.....
[06:44] <fabbione> that probably doesn't
[06:44] <KaiL> I'm just trying ;)
[06:44] <infinity> KaiL : Mail nVidia and complain. Really. It might help.
[06:45] <infinity> (Moreso than complaining to us will, that's for sure..)
[06:45] <KaiL> infinity, my solution is to buy an ATI...:)
[06:45] <mdz> mjg59: yes, but then I've also re-enabled everything and can't get it to crash
[06:45] <mjg59> mdz: Uhm. Weird.
[06:45] <fabbione> hey mdz
[06:45] <mjg59> Burgundavia: No problem
[06:47] <jk24> Hi, just one question : what mean "FTBFS" ? (on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryAptGetOrg?highlight=%28schurger%29)
[06:48] <fabbione> Fail To Build From Source
[06:49] <KaiL> hmm, which gcc is used for the breezy kernel?
[06:49] <KaiL> 3.4? 3.3?
[06:49] <fabbione> 3.4
[06:52] <fabbione> infinity: how is ppc doing???
[06:53] <Burgundavia> mjg59, ok, just to confirm, we are testing ootb support for laptops? If it needs a custom hack to get it going, it should be marked as no? (within reason of course)
[06:54] <elmo> fabbione: it's building packages
[06:54] <fabbione> elmo: ok great
[06:54] <jbailey> Nafallo: =)
[06:54] <fabbione> elmo: i did seed everything already.. so it should be easier for you to handle the stuff
[06:55] <mjg59> Burgundavia: It should be marked as no and the hack documented
[06:55] <Burgundavia> mjg59, ok
[06:55] <daniels> fabbione: what's wrong with lrm?
[06:55] <fabbione> daniels: kernel abi bump
[06:55] <mdz> fabbione: hi
[06:55] <daniels> ah
[06:56] <fabbione> mdz: i am afraid i won't make it in time to upload d-i and BenC did fall off the net
[06:56] <fabbione> lrm and linux-meta just uploaded
[06:56] <KaiL> uhm, which version was the "legacy"? ;)
[06:56] <hmrocha> KaiL, warty?
[06:57] <KaiL> hmrocha, nvidia "legacy" driver for GF2
[06:57] <hmrocha> KaiL, ok, i was out of context, sorry
[06:58] <mdz> fabbione: did you get a chance to talk to him first?
[06:58] <fabbione> mdz: yes..
[06:58] <mdz> fabbione: so he knows what to do?
[06:58] <fabbione> we had a long talk and stuff.. all of sudden he died
[06:59] <fabbione> mdz: yes, but if net doesn't come up for him, we can't block the abi transition at the last package :)
[06:59] <fabbione> mdz: the sources are ready and signed in my homedir on chinstrap
[06:59] <fabbione> it's only question of a lftp to jackass
[07:00] <Keybuk> seb128: isn't dragging a .ttf file into nautilus(fonts://) supposed to install them?
[07:01] <seb128> it does
[07:01] <seb128> but the view is not refreshed probably
[07:01] <seb128> the ~/.fonts has it?
[07:01] <Keybuk> ah, yes
[07:01] <\sh> hmmm...
[07:03] <siretart> daniels: I fixed now libforms1. with your latest xmkmf upload, I could build it again. all libraries moved from /usr/X11R6/lib to /usr/lib and /usr/X11R6/include to /usr/include
[07:03] <siretart> do you want to review that package or do you have enough trust in my? ;)
[07:03] <siretart> s/my/me/
[07:08] <siretart> last daniels
[07:08] <siretart> sry
[07:09] <KaiL> 7174 works with 2.6.12, good
[07:09] <daniels> siretart: i'm too busy to review it anyway, so go nuts
[07:09] <KaiL> at least that works
[07:09] <siretart> daniels: ok. sorry bothering..
[07:09] <daniels> np
[07:09] <fabbione> YAY
[07:09] <fabbione> ppc is up
[07:09] <fabbione> right in time
[07:10] <dieman> the driver i merged into hoary's X server has bugs :|
[07:10] <dieman> havent had a chance to look into it yet
[07:10] <daniels> dieman: hmm. i think we have the latest (wrt i945) in breezy. anything in particular?
[07:10] <dieman> sometimes when you logoff, X respawns into 640x480 but the screen is drawn as the native res (1280x1024) in this case
[07:10] <dieman> but it isn't a virtual screen
[07:10] <dieman> didn't have a chance to pull a log, so I need to run up there and recreate the issue
[07:11] <daniels> nice
[07:11] <daniels> if you do, bounce it to me and cc [email protected]
[07:11] <dieman> ok
[07:11] <dieman> i just pulled that patch out of breezy, and im not using dri
[07:11] <dieman> since the kernel isn't new enough ;)
[07:11] <daniels> heh
[07:12] <Lathiat> daniels: what do i look out to figure out what kind of ati an ati is? (like r300 or what?)
[07:12] <daniels> Lathiat: lspci
[07:13] <Lathiat> daniels: well, ati firegl v3100
[07:13] <Lathiat> havent got access to it atm
[07:14] <fabbione> elmo: i am going to do a batch upload of X crap, that will need NEW.. please send them right to universe.. nothing needs to go in main now.. these are cp -rp pkg1/debian pkg2/debian + sed -e... pkgs.. so nothing to complex to look at..
[07:15] <daniels> Lathiat: i think that's rv350 or therabouts, but yeah, lspci. either that or trawl cvs.freedesktop.org/xorg/xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/drivers/ati/radeon_chipset.h
[07:15] <Lathiat> its apparently a 'radeon'
[07:15] <daniels> lathi firegl != radeon.
[07:16] <Lathiat> rv370 apparently
[07:16] <Lathiat> daniels: well, the page i just looked at lies then :)
[07:16] <Lathiat> open source 3d/dri ?
[07:16] <elmo> fabbione: eh, ok
[07:16] <daniels> Lathiat: a) firegls are certainly not radeons; based off the same chipset, sure, b) with the r300.sf.net driver, assuming it's agp, sure
[07:16] <Lathiat> daniels: cool
[07:17] <Lathiat> oops think i annoyed him
[07:28] <fabbione> mdz: ABI transition should be completed
[07:28] <fabbione> all kernerl bits and pieces should be in the archive at :33
[07:28] <mdz> fabbione: should be, or is?
[07:28] <KaiL> damn nvidia shit.....
[07:28] <fabbione> lrm will start to build at :35
[07:29] <fabbione> di uploaded and it will build at :35 too
[07:29] <fabbione> in theory at :03 of the next everything should be in place
[07:29] <mdz> d-i needs byhanding
[07:29] <fabbione> mdz: yes.. it still needs to build first
[07:29] <mdz> I don't see the d-i- upload in the queue
[07:29] <fabbione> mdz: i just did it
[07:29] <mdz> who uploaded it?
[07:29] <fabbione> me
[07:29] <fabbione> it will be processed now
[07:30] <mdz> oh, it hasn't even been accepted yet
[07:30] <fabbione> mdz: also.. the first batch of X crap is in upload phase
[07:30] <fabbione> now..
[07:30] <KaiL> uhm, why can I delete /lib/modules/2.6.12-6-386/volatile/nvidia.ko, reboot and the file is there again? ;)
[07:30] <fabbione> since it's like 15 hours that i am around...
[07:31] <fabbione> i would like to get some dinner
[07:31] <mdz> fabbione: did you talk with elmo about the byhand? I'm not entirely comfortable doing that part
[07:31] <KaiL> is there some strange feature, I'm missing? :)
[07:31] <tseng> KaiL: because its unpacked from an initrd
[07:31] <fabbione> can i count on you guys to keep an eye on the last bits?
[07:31] <Lathiat> KaiL: the file is generated on boot
[07:31] <tseng> or, an initramfs I guess
[07:31] <fabbione> mdz: no.. i think elmo knows d-i
[07:31] <KaiL> hmm, and how to REALLY get rid of it? ;)
[07:31] <tseng> dont load it?
[07:31] <mdz> fabbione: about being around at the right time and getting it through quickly
[07:31] <Lathiat> KaiL: uninstall linux-restricted-modules or stop caring about it
[07:31] <KaiL> ...without removing the restricted overall
[07:31] <Lathiat> KaiL: why do you care?
[07:31] <fabbione> KaiL, Lathiat -> #ubuntu
[07:31] <Lathiat> fabbione: point
[07:32] <KaiL> Lathiat, the second is a bit problematic, as I'm needing an older one ;)
[07:32] <Lathiat> fabbione: sorry
[07:32] <tseng> please file a bug instead of just removing things
[07:32] <maswan> fabbione: did you need me for something?
[07:32] <KaiL> tseng, scroll up, the but goes to [email protected]
[07:32] <KaiL> or better sales@? ;)
[07:33] <fabbione> maswan: buttercup keeps dieing at light speed, but i really have no time to look at it now.. leave it dead for now :)
[07:33] <Lathiat> KaiL: -> #ubuntu please
[07:33] <fabbione> maswan: otherwise i will need to stay here even longer
[07:33] <elmo> gargar
[07:33] <fabbione> mdz: no ... but i guess he is experienced enough to know that we are doing the usual abi bump dance by now...
[07:33] <maswan> fabbione: ACK. I'm on vacation until next week anyway. :)
[07:33] <elmo> fabbione: are these really all seperate upstream?
[07:33] <fabbione> maswan
[07:33] <fabbione> maswan: enjoy!
[07:33] <maswan> fabbione: thanks!
[07:34] <fabbione> elmo: modular X.. all different source
[07:34] <elmo> this is so much crack
[07:34] <fabbione> elmo: and it's not even finished..
[07:34] <fabbione> still uploading and there is more to do
[07:34] <elmo> 60-130k source
[07:34] <elmo> x 18 or something
[07:34] <fabbione> elmo: mdz was asking if you can please be around for when d-i is built
[07:34] <fabbione> x51 more or less
[07:35] <fabbione> brb
[07:36] <elmo> someone should tell xorg upstream that really cool people split their projects BY .c file!!!1
[07:37] <Treenaks> elmo: who are you? Herbert Xu?
[07:38] <elmo> fabbione: argh, dude, you can't just cut'n'waste copyright files
[07:40] <fabbione> elmo: daniels told 2 minutes after.. i will fix that later..
[07:40] <fabbione> 2 minutes after i started the batch upload
[07:41] <fabbione> i tought they had a common copyright
[07:41] <fabbione> well up to you if you want to reject them is fine by me
[07:41] <fabbione> the upload is finished
[07:42] <elmo> if you don't mind I will, otherwise my inner ftp-master will cry quietly
[07:42] <fabbione> elmo: ok.. drop them all so that i can reupload the same version
[07:43] <infinity> But dude, we NEED xeyes in the archive like NOW.
[07:43] <fabbione> it will make my life easier
[07:43] <fabbione> infinity: s/NOW/YESTERDAY
[07:43] <mdz> s/NOW/LAST WEEK/
[07:45] <infinity> If I can convince upstream to drop xeyes (and other such useless demo apps) from the official 7.0 or 7.1 release, can we never ever ship them again? Huh, huh? :)
[07:46] <fabbione> infinity: lrm FTBFS on ppc.. E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.12-7-powerpc
[07:47] <fabbione> i am afraid ppc didn't make the daily
[07:47] <infinity> That's why it's dep-wait, dude.
[07:47] <infinity> You're looking at the log that triggered the dep-wait.
[07:48] <fabbione> ah ok
[07:48] <fabbione> infinity: i don't have real time access to build log..
[07:48] <fabbione> nothing i can do about it.. sorry
[07:48] <infinity> Rebuilding it now.
[07:48] <fabbione> perfect
[07:48] <fabbione> am64/i386 are go
[07:49] <fabbione> what about d-i ?
[07:52] <infinity> fabbione : Erm.. For some value of "now" that means "right after the two security builds clogging the two buildds that aren't building gcc-3.4 are done"
[07:53] <fabbione> linux-meta is ok everywhere
[07:53] <infinity> Should still make cron.daily, unless lrm takes forever to build.
[07:53] <fabbione> so we miss d-i and lrm on ppc
[07:53] <fabbione> the latter probably :)
[07:53] <infinity> If not, you get another half hour wait. No big deal.
[07:53] <fabbione> i am off for dinner
[07:53] <fabbione> back in 20
[07:53] <infinity> (I'll gloss over the part where the 3 security build just uploaded were done by me, before really thinking)
[07:54] <infinity> s/build/builds/
[07:54] <infinity> *cough*
[08:01] <tseng> is kickstart the prefered method for automated installs?
[08:02] <Lathiat> i think kickstart is a layer over the debian-installer stuff which in theory is more flexible
[08:02] <Lathiat> preseed ?
[08:02] <tseng> right
[08:02] <Lathiat> ahh lovely 400M mirror sync
[08:03] <Lathiat> damn these rebuilds
[08:03] <tseng> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomatedInstallations?highlight=%28install%29%7C%28automated%29
[08:03] <tseng> hm
[08:13] <elmo> mdz: the plan is still do dump oo1 right?
[08:13] <mdz> elmo: yes
[08:14] <mdz> doko: what happened with that ttf fix?
[08:14] <mdz> ttf-opensymbol
[08:19] <mdz> I guess I'll just switch it on in openoffice.org2 and see what happens
[08:20] <elmo> mdz: I was also wondering about reducing the number of gcc's in main, but I think we're kind of stuck with 3.3 :(
[08:21] <mdz> elmo: for what?
[08:22] <mdz> hmm, grub
[08:22] <mdz> libpng??
[08:22] <elmo> yeah, >> 3.3 miscompiled it
[08:22] <mdz> grub and libpng
[08:22] <elmo> doko was working on that, but I'm not sure if it's fixed yet
[08:22] <elmo> grub's changelog talks about 0.97 being the first to support >> 3.3, and we're only on 0.95
[08:23] <mdz> we will rival woody in our gcc content
[08:23] <infinity> Woody was.. 2.72, 2.95, 2.96, 3.0..? I think we're worse.
[08:25] <\sh> ok...shtoom (SVN HEAD) works for sipgate.de now I can do some real nasty stuff
[08:25] <elmo> infinity: quick, which ppc buildd do you care least about?
[08:25] <infinity> elmo : The one you're about to reboot!
[08:26] <infinity> elmo : Take royal, I just killed the buildd there.
[08:26] <mdz> elmo: maybe we could at least stop building everything except the C compiler in 3.3
[08:28] <elmo> infinity: no, it wsn't a request for you to down stuff
[08:28] <elmo> I mean which one isn't d-i or live cd
[08:28] <infinity> elmo : Oh. ross, I think. Let me doublecheck.
[08:28] <elmo> thanks
[08:29] <infinity> Nope, I lie. ross is DI.
[08:29] <infinity> adare is the "spare".
[08:29] <fabbione> YAY
[08:30] <fabbione> d-i is in..
[08:30] <fabbione> perfect..
[08:30] <mdz> jbailey: ping re: 12009
[08:30] <fabbione> mdz: transition completed for my side..
[08:31] <infinity> fabbione : lrm is uploaded, so it's in in 2 minues (+ cron.daily runtime)
[08:31] <infinity> Err, assuming it doesn't need NEW love.
[08:31] <fabbione> infinity: probably elmo did NEW it already :)
[08:31] <infinity> elmo : Giving one away..?
[08:31] <fabbione> infinity: i am happy that everything is built
[08:31] <infinity> elmo : Or trying to plan who to pick on for the new kernel?
[08:31] <fabbione> that's all i can do
[08:32] <elmo> infinity: I'm going to install the normal ubuntu kernel for now, until the FTBFS is fixed
[08:32] <elmo> but it'll probably break because I aliases /usr/bin/hotplug to /bin/false and stuff like that
[08:33] <infinity> I jst purge hotplug to get it out of my hair..
[08:33] <elmo> well, okay I purged it too, but that's not as fun
[08:35] <\sh> who is the "ubuntu UI master"? ,-)
[08:35] <Nafallo> \sh: you :-)
[08:35] <\sh> hahaha
[08:35] <Nafallo> \sh: and ogra :-)
[08:35] <\sh> yes
[08:36] <\sh> Nafallo: btw...shtoom is running with sipgate.de ,-)
[08:36] <\sh> Nafallo: I'm starting to package this nasty beast
[08:36] <\sh> (SVN HEAD)
[08:36] <Nafallo> \sh: ehm, dep twisted 2?
[08:36] <\sh> Nafallo: is already in breezy
[08:36] <\sh> or?
[08:37] <Nafallo> \sh: yesterday you told me it wasn't ;-)
[08:37] <Nafallo> or last night really :-)
[08:37] <\sh> Nafallo: didn't check ,-)
[08:37] <jbailey> mdz: If it's the bug he claims it is, it's already fixed in Hoary and Breezy.
[08:37] <Nafallo> \sh: dooh! we have it. I was onto package that yesterday :-P.
[08:38] <Nafallo> \sh: you fooled me! ;-)
[08:38] <jbailey> mdz: I need to boot off a live cd when my machine's not building to figure out why he's seeing it there. It might have gone in as a hoary-update, I don't remember.
[08:38] <\sh> Nafallo: never trust a word ,-)
[08:38] <mdz> jbailey: you could ask the submitter
[08:40] <\sh> Nafallo: I'm packaging SER again...
[08:41] <mdz> ogra: that glade file you gave me seems to have a hardcoded date displayed in the dialog
[08:41] <Nafallo> \sh: so now you're packaging both? :-)
[08:41] <\sh> Nafallo: yes.. I need it first for hoary (to put it on the server somehow..or someone is sponsoring a machine for testing ,-))
[08:42] <infinity> elmo : Right, so when are you planning on blowing up adare?
[08:43] <Nafallo> \sh: have to go. screaming girlfriend. she want's to go shopping ;-).
[08:43] <\sh> Nafallo: have fun :)
[08:43] <elmo> infinity: uh, I thought it was ross?
[08:44] <elmo> oh, no, I missed your correction
[08:44] <elmo> infinity: tonight or tomorrow afternoon
[08:44] <elmo> basically, next time I hit the DC
[08:44] <elmo> infinity: oh, same question for amd64
[08:44] <elmo> I'll install breezy on their and serial consoleize it, so we can catch it exploding into little pieces
[08:44] <infinity> elmo : Two lines after I said it was ross, I corrected myself.
[08:45] <elmo> yeah, 19:44 < elmo> oh, no, I missed your correction
[08:45] <infinity> Wow, we can both read!
[08:46] <infinity> elmo : crested is the spare amd64.
[09:02] <ogra> mdz, thats something to fix in the gtk file...
[09:03] <{Seb}> will there be any more updates to the ubuntu kernel in breezy?
[09:03] <ogra> i'll send you an update after the weekent that updates the date/time entry
[09:03] <{Seb}> also, colony 3 is very fast and stable
[09:03] <ogra> weekend indeed
[09:05] <{Seb}> just the latest inotify patch isn't in the current kernel IIRC
[09:06] <fabbione> {Seb}: it's in the kernel we uploaded today
[09:06] <fabbione> please read the changelog
[09:07] <{Seb}> sorry
[09:07] <{Seb}> smashing :-)
[09:07] <{Seb}> also, the bluetooth in breezy kicks ass
[09:07] <{Seb}> my new Nokia phone worked first time
[09:07] <{Seb}> shame it can't be intergratd into the Send To in Nautilus
[09:07] <ogra> mdz, do you have an option to edut the cronscript that creates the edubuntu CD to not delete the old isos? it was very odd to recognize that my only installable CD was deleted last night and only 20050817 and a very broken 20050819 were left... took me the whole day to upload my local copy of 20050818 to rookery
[09:08] <ogra> s/edut/edit
[09:11] <mdz> ogra: it saves 3 days, I think
[09:11] <mdz> ogra: a) the daily CDs should be in working condition at this point in the release cycle, and b) if you need a stable milestone, it should be published as a milestone (like colony 3) so it doesn't disappear
[09:14] <ogra> mdz, yup, but edubuntu only has two daylies left... http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/ and there was a lot broken on todays image a lot of very basic packages was rebuilt which left edubuntu-desktop uninstallable...
[09:14] <ogra> (it complained about libcairo for example)
[09:15] <dabar> Does the live cd come with mp3 support, and can you install packages when using the live cd, do you guys know?
[09:15] <luis_> (1) no (2) yes
[09:16] <ogra> (3) thats an #ubuntu question
[09:16] <luis_> (4) good point.
[09:16] <ogra> :)
[09:17] <dabar> (5) i knew that.
[09:17] <dabar> Just like to bother you guys once in a while to make sure you are not asleep.
[09:17] <dabar> on point 2, onlhy if you make space on the hard drive?
[09:18] <tseng> it does into the tmpfs
[09:18] <tseng> *goes
[09:18] <dabar> so even with no hard drive space allocated you can install codecs for example? (last)
[09:21] <carstenh> jbailey: ping
[09:22] <jbailey> carstenh: pong
[09:23] <dabar> ok, thanks.
[09:26] <ogra> mdz, additionally the preseeding on the CD doesnt work and doesnt reflect the reality... is there any way for me to edit that ?
[09:27] <ivoks> hi all
[09:28] <mdz> ogra: I don't know
[09:29] <ogra> mdz, so i have to wait for Kamion it seems... :/
[09:30] <_d4vid> hi all
[09:33] <mdz> ogra: I don't know what to tell you. he was available for the entire release cycle until last week
[09:34] <ogra> mdz, yes
[09:44] <{Seb}> will the gnome foot be replaced by the ubuntu icon by the final breezy release?
[09:44] <{Seb}> on gnome-menu
[09:51] <_d4vid> play Bushido - Schmetterling
[09:52] <azeem> _d4vid: what a poor music taste
[10:09] <mdz> jbailey: I upgraded my ltsp chroot, regenerated the initramfs, and now it doesn't boot anymore
[10:09] <mdz> /init: 1: cannot open: no such file
[10:09] <mdz> modprobe usage errors
[10:09] <mdz> kernel panic
[10:13] <jbailey> mdz: Can you boot an old kernel so that we can look inside of it?
[10:14] <mdz> jbailey: why boot an old kernel?
[10:14] <jbailey> jammcq and the other gentleman had each tested 0.21 in the ltsp environment before I uploaded.
[10:14] <mdz> I hadn't regenerated my initramfs in a while, so I don't know when it broke
[10:14] <jbailey> mdz: Right, ltsp. =) Just so we can get to it.
[10:15] <mdz> jbailey: what do you need to see? I can send you a copy of the initramfs if you like
[10:15] <jbailey> That would work too.
[10:15] <jbailey> Put it up on chinstrap?
[10:15] <mdz> uploading to people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/temp/initrd.img
[10:16] <mdz> ETA <1m
[10:17] <mdz> the first error is after Begin: Running /scripts/local-top\nDone.
[10:17] <mdz> /init: 1: cannot open : No such file
[10:17] <mdz> then local-premount runs silently, then after it's "Done.", I get a modprobe usage error, then log-bottom and init-bottom run silently
[10:18] <mdz> then run-init complains and it panics
[10:18] <mdz> the version I've just uploaded is already hacked a bit to drop to a shell just before run-init so I could check things out
[10:18] <mdz> the run-init error is: run-init: opening console: No such file or directory
[10:19] <jbailey> Err. That sounds like the new kernel isn't providing /dev/console automatically anymore.
[10:19] <mdz> it broke before I upgraded the kernel
[10:19] <mdz> I upgraded the kernel to see if that made any difference
[10:20] <Arnia> Hmm... anyone else had a problem with installing gnome-devel saying it will remove ubuntu-desktop?
[10:21] <Arnia> I've just moved across to Breezy so I can get some of the tools I've written ported to new versions of various packages, and when trying to set up my gnome development system I get threatened with the loss of libgl-xorg, libgl-xorg-dri, x-server-core and ubuntu-desktop
[10:23] <mdz> jbailey: dropping to a shell early, I see that /root is empty
[10:23] <mdz> and come to think of it, I never saw ipconfig run either
[10:24] <mdz> so it's simply not mounting root
[10:24] <jbailey> mdz: This is ltsp, right? So it should be NFS?
[10:25] <jbailey> BOOT is set to local in the mkinitramfs.conf
[10:25] <mdz> jbailey: isn't that supposed to be automatic now?
[10:25] <jbailey> No, it infers all the drivers, but doesn't try to nfs mount unless it thinks it's trying for that.
[10:26] <jbailey> Is there a kernel command line variable that would tell it that it should do NFS instead?
[10:26] <mdz> shouldn't it also error out if it doesn't mount root?
[10:26] <jbailey> Yes, I'll have to look why it's not.
[10:27] <jbailey> Ah, there's a FIXME there.
[10:27] <mdz> jbailey: looks like you're missing quotes
[10:27] <mdz> if [ ! -e ${ROOT} ] ; then
[10:28] <mdz> "if [ ! -e ] ; " evaluates to false
[10:28] <mdz> while "if [ ! -e '' ] ;" evaluates to true
[10:28] <jbailey> ah. thanks, will fix that.
[10:28] <mdz> testing with BOOT=nfs
[10:29] <mdz> ok, now it's behaving as before
[10:29] <jbailey> Cool.
[10:30] <mdz> I'm trying to narrow down 12942
[10:31] <mdz> which is a blocker for ltsp
[10:32] <jbailey> Do I just need to tweak the timeout to be longer?
[10:32] <jbailey> Just on the assumption that it's not like it has anything better to do if it times out.
[10:33] <mdz> jbailey: I see no evidence of this having anything to do with nfsmount
[10:33] <mdz> it's the kernel which is timing out
[10:34] <mdz> and it retries, and still never works
[10:34] <jbailey> Ah.
[10:34] <mdz> but for extra extra fun, the new kernel BREAKS UNIONFS FABBIONE
[10:35] <mdz> this means that anyone who is following my colony 3 based LTSP testing instructions gets a non-working system
[10:45] <mdz> jbailey: adding a 'sleep 5' before nfsmount seems to alleviate the issue
[10:45] <mdz> jbailey: (issue = 12942)
[10:45] <mdz> it's some sort of race
[10:47] <jbailey> 'kay. Is a 5 second sleep going to be too annoying, or should I only do that if nfsmount fails and then retry?
[11:49] <doko> mdz: still on my list for tomorrow
[11:50] <doko> elmo, mdz: will upload both png packages built with 4.0. I couldn't reproduce these with the current 4.0 anymore
[11:51] <mdz> doko: I'm doing a test build with ttf-opensymbol enabled, and will upload it if it works
[11:51] <elmo> doko: any chance grub will work, or are we screwed?
[11:51] <doko> grub: yes, upstream has fixes, but I did fear the merge ...
[11:51] <mdz> elmo: no netcat on jackass?
[11:52] <elmo> mdz: wha for?
[11:52] <mdz> elmo: to copy stuff from the morgue to rookery
[11:52] <elmo> eh
[11:52] <elmo> rsync jackass:: on the lan
[11:52] <mdz> elmo: why is it that morgue.ubuntu.com seems to end at 2005-04-22?
[11:52] <elmo> I stopped morgue syncing because it would run rookery out of sapce
[11:52] <mdz> ah
[11:53] <elmo> I don't know whether to only sync source or what
[11:53] <elmo> or only source for anything older than a month or something
[11:55] <doko> mdz: isn't ttf-opensymbol be built by OO.o2 as well? I can look at it tomorrow.
[11:55] <mdz> doko: no, it's disabled in the oo.o2 build
[11:56] <mdz> I have a test build running on concordia with it enabled; if it works, I'll upload
[11:56] <mdz> then it will supersede the oo.o one
[11:57] <doko> ok
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2005-08-24-#launchpad
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[12:41] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: [r=BjornT] implement a BugTaskAssigneeWidget, which makes it easier to 'take' a bug (patch-2275: [email protected])
[02:56] <ddaa> new original TDD dilemma
[02:56] <ddaa> I get a compulsion to write a test
[02:56] <ddaa> and it fails
[02:57] <ddaa> yet, I'm unable to say what exactly the test is doing...
[02:57] <ddaa> probably means I need to call it a day...
[03:28] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] fix branches presentation on product page to make ddaa happy (patch-2276: [email protected])
[09:07] <stub> BjornT: Are you crawling the linkchecker report, or finding these bugs independantly?
[09:13] <BjornT> stub: i looked through the linkchecker report and filed bugs on some occurring errors.
[09:14] <stub> BjornT: Ta - saved me from doing something similar ;)
[09:14] <BjornT> stub: np :)
[09:15] <stub> Ahh... just got your email
[09:54] <sabdfl> stub: thanks for the approval
[09:55] <sabdfl> can i ask for another quickie?
[09:55] <sabdfl> ALTER TABLE Bounty DROP COLUMN duration;
[09:55] <sabdfl> ALTER TABLE Bounty DROP COLUMN difficulty;
[09:57] <sabdfl> actually, i'll keep the difficulty one
[10:04] <sabdfl> ping: anybody?
[10:09] <stub> sabdfl: Fine by me. Stick it in the existing patch if you like.
[10:34] <carlos> morning
[10:38] <carlos> sabdfl, the new launchpad front page rocks
[10:43] <carlos> morgs, hi, around?
[12:18] <morgs> carlos: I'm back...
[12:20] <carlos> morgs, I think I found a bug on the Register
[12:20] <carlos> morgs, https://staging.ubuntu.com/products/wordpress/1.3-rc07012005PTBR
[12:20] <carlos> https://staging.ubuntu.com/errors/showEntry.html?id=1124446832.290.621101847901
[12:21] <morgs> carlos: thanks, checking...
[12:21] <carlos> morgs, is it know / fixed?
[12:21] <morgs> carlos: no, I have not seen this before
[12:21] <carlos> ok
[12:22] <morgs> thanks!
[12:22] <carlos> morgs, where is "the register" product?
[12:22] <carlos> morgs, shoul I use launchpad directly?
[12:23] <carlos> s/shoul/should/
[12:23] <morgs> carlos: yes, file it against launchpad.
[12:23] <carlos> ok
[12:24] <carlos> morgs, it works on production
[12:24] <carlos> so seems like it's a problem with the development branch and a missing pagetest...
[12:24] <morgs> yes I see - OK, so it's a recent change
[12:26] <carlos> morgs, https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1810
[12:27] <morgs> carlos: thanks, I'll check it out right now
[01:06] <Kinnison> So, is there a way to get the launchpad test suite to stop at its first error?
[01:08] <carlos> Kinnison, no idea
[01:08] <Kinnison> argh
[01:10] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] Make request_country handle nested proxies and add tests (patch-2277: [email protected])
[03:30] <ddaa> Anybody here, _please_ _please_ review some of the cscvs branches on the review page
[03:31] <ddaa> There are like two or three months worth of changes and coding style cleanups pending.
[03:35] <BjornT> ddaa: i think i'll have time for some reviews today, just have to finish what i'm doing now
[03:39] <ddaa> Mh... actually that was a bit of an overstatement
[03:40] <ddaa> BjornT: thanks, ATM I cannot even make useful submission branches for my new work
[03:43] <BjornT> ddaa: np. i was planning to do that anyway, quite a lot of branches are in need of reviewing...
[03:50] <Kinnison> Hmm, I can't seem to login to launchpad
[03:50] <ddaa> It worked about one hour ago for me.
[03:51] <Kinnison> Hmm, third time lucky
[03:51] <Kinnison> bizarre
[03:53] <BjornT> ddaa: well, it's more like "should take time to do reviews" :P
[04:20] <ddaa> anybody knows a CVS with a file that has its description set?
[04:21] <bradb> morning
[04:22] <bradb> ddaa: Tip for PendingReviews: Don't use the General Queue.
[04:23] <ddaa> bradb: I have two other possible algorithms
[04:23] <ddaa> 1. dogpile on spiv, since he's the one most familiar with this code
[04:23] <ddaa> 2. use a pseudorandom generator
[04:23] <ddaa> any better suggestion?
[04:24] <bradb> No. I used algorithm #1 for fmt:approximateduration.
[04:25] <ddaa> bah, I'll see how BjornT does... I'm trying to have spiv do some actual coding on importd, so flooding him with reviews does not make much sense.
[04:28] <bradb> BjornT does good, thorough code review, IME.
[04:47] <mpt> carlos: ping
[04:47] <carlos> mpt, pong
[04:49] <mpt> carlos: If you're here when stub next comes online, could you ask him to cherry-pick the bar-charts fix?
[04:49] <carlos> It's better to send it by email
[04:49] <carlos> I will do it now
[04:49] <mpt> Eh, I suppose this is what e-mail is for, right
[04:49] <mpt> thanks
[04:57] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: Implement TeamsInAuthserver. [r=salgado] (patch-2278: [email protected])
[05:34] <bradb> mpt: Do we yet have a way to display a priority-dependant icon for a bug task?
[05:37] <mpt> bradb: No, the bug to allow that is assigned to you :-)
[05:38] <mpt> bradb: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1736
[05:40] <bradb> Cool, I'll do that now.
[05:41] <ddaa> duh
[05:41] <bradb> Maybe I should call it fmt:icon
[05:41] <ddaa> pointless python snippet of the day
[05:41] <bradb> task/priority/fmt:icon
[05:41] <bradb> mpt: What do you think?
[05:41] <ddaa> for branch in self.branch_hash.values():
[05:41] <ddaa> yield branch
[05:42] <ddaa> either use iterators, or don't, but this is just pointless
[05:54] <carlos> mpt, btw, stub is already on weekend, not sure if he will be able to do the cherry pick...
[05:57] <mpt> carlos: So it'll be in the Monday rollout, then
[05:58] <mpt> bradb: seems reasonable, though I'm not the world's expert on fmt:
[06:02] <carlos> mpt, I think so
[06:02] <carlos> mpt, I suppose I could ask stub for it, but I don't think is so urgent to ask him to work outside normal hours
[06:18] <kiko> bradb-lunch, I wonder if SteveA would think that fmt:icon is not as good as idea as the "magic rendering box"
[06:19] <sivang> hi all
[06:21] <kiko> hey sivan
[06:22] <mpt> kiko: That depends on how flexible the magic is
[06:23] <sivang> hey kiko , 'sup? I wonder what are those "tales" you are talking about ? :-)
[06:23] <kiko> sivang, they are like bad dreams, except worse
[06:24] <sivang> OMG :) Now really, what role do they serve in launchpad's system?
[06:24] <mpt> kiko: The icon could be next to a bug number + description (in three different table cells!), or to a context (on the bug page)
[06:25] <kiko> I see
[06:25] <kiko> sivang, they are used in the page templates, roughly
[06:26] <mpt> Tales of woe
[06:26] <mpt> Tales of joy
[06:26] <mpt> Tales of mystery and imagination
[06:26] <sivang> mpt: :-)
[06:27] <sivang> k guys, ncie to know YATAL (yet another thing about launchpad) , I'm off again now , laterz all
[06:27] <kiko> lol
[06:28] <sivang> pretty nice watching it now, that the "revolution" is almost done :)
[06:29] <mpt> "almost done"?
[06:30] <mpt> Did I sleep in last night, and wake up in 2011? :-)
[06:30] <sivang> mpt: ah, that was more of a wishful thinking, but it's certainly on the right track :)
[06:30] <mpt> yes
[06:30] <sivang> mpt: hehehe
[06:31] <sivang> The fact that I am chatting with you people in this channel, is actually big part of it.
[06:31] <mpt> Yes, in the plan for world domination, winning over sivang is half the battle
[06:32] <sivang> hehehe :)
[06:32] <mpt> :-)
[06:34] <kiko> carlos?
[06:35] <carlos> kiko, ?
[06:35] <kiko> carlos, tell me about the migration script on production :)
[06:36] <carlos> kiko, stub told me that it worked on staging without major problems
[06:36] <carlos> and I suppose it's being executed atm on production
[06:36] <kiko> carlos, are we good for a release on wednesday?
[06:36] <carlos> kiko, If the script has been executed on production, we can do it on Monday
[06:37] <kiko> I'd like us to do some serious QA monday and tuesday
[06:37] <carlos> kiko, ok
[06:37] <kiko> however
[06:37] <kiko> is production "current"?
[06:38] <carlos> current == all code needed for 1.0?
[06:38] <carlos> yes
[06:38] <carlos> more than two weeks ago
[06:38] <kiko> that's not what I meant
[06:38] <kiko> I am concerned that wednesday is going to be post-rollout
[06:39] <kiko> (since we roll out tuesday)
[06:39] <kiko> does that make sense, carlos?
[06:40] <carlos> kiko, if we do all testing on staging
[06:40] <carlos> kiko, that should be ok
[06:40] <carlos> you wanted to test it on monday and tuesday
[06:41] <kiko> I'm thinking now tuesday and wednesday
[06:42] <kiko> I would much prefer testing production as much as possible
[06:42] <carlos> kiko, production update will be on Tuesday
[06:42] <kiko> we can of course test staging monday, production tuesday (after stub's rollout) and then release wednesday
[06:42] <carlos> not Monday
[06:42] <kiko> I know
[06:42] <carlos> kiko, it sounds ok for me
[06:43] <kiko> I hadn't thought of the update angle when I suggested it at first
[06:43] <kiko> okay cool
[06:43] <kiko> we can call for a Rosetta QA day on monday on staging if you like
[06:43] <kiko> what do you think?
[06:45] <carlos> kiko, only launchpaders have access to staging
[06:46] <carlos> I think it's better do it on Tuesday on production (and do some extra test on Monday using staging)
[06:46] <carlos> de todas formas, no han habido cambios significativos esta semana
[06:46] <carlos> hmmm
[06:46] <carlos> kiko, sorry, my brain....
[06:47] <sivang> mpt: are you the one responsible for LaunchpadIntegrationHelpPage ?
[06:47] <carlos> kiko, we didn't change anything big this week
[06:49] <kiko> yeah
[06:49] <mpt> sivang: Yes
[06:50] <sivang> mpt: would you like to discuss some of it next week? I'd like to help with it
[06:52] <mpt> sivang: Sure. Apparently it's too complicated, and should just be a wiki-like page for now
[06:53] <sivang> mpt: k, cool, I'd like also to experiment with having the apps fetch the info and possibly store locally in the app etc.. but we'll discuss next week, I presume if you have time
[06:55] <ddaa> kiko: what do you think of the list of open issues I made per your request?
[06:56] <mpt> sivang: That'd be great
[07:02] <sivang> mpt: cool, laterz.
[07:20] <bradb> kiko: will the magic rendering box be working within the next week?
[07:21] <bradb> sounds like something that'll happen at some yet undetermined future date
[07:40] <ddaa> cscvs contains the weirdest bits of python ever...
[07:40] <ddaa> fparser.parseBranches("1.1", string.rfind("1,1", "."))
[07:42] <bradb> mpt: btw, i think I'm going to make it bugtask/fmt:icon, to be more consistent with fmt:url (I imagine, afterall, that it only makes sense for the little bug icon to be displayed in a consistent fashion everywhere, i.e. that we wouldn't expect to be able to do crazy things like bugtask/priority/fmt:icon, bugtask/status/fmt:icon, etc.)
[07:42] <bradb> Even if Launchpad sprouts another magic black box, this little pieces will form good building blocks, IMHO.
[07:44] <bradb> mpt: What's the expected behaviour if priority is Wontfix?
[07:44] <bradb> (for the time between now and when we drop that priority)
[07:59] <kiko> bradb, no, it won't -- I think you're doing the right thing, but I wanted to point out the magic rendering box angle
[08:00] <bradb> fair enough, good point
[08:02] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] bounty polish (patch-2279: [email protected])
[08:07] <Kinnison> ciao dudes
[08:07] <kiko> ahoy Kinnison
[08:07] <kiko> we'll touch base mondy
[08:07] <Kinnison> coolio
[08:07] <Kinnison> have a good w/e
[08:07] <kiko> it ended up that I had a ton of things to look at
[08:08] <kiko> (inbox out of control too :-()
[08:08] <bradb> I've got fmt:icon's tests passing here, and working as expected in the MaloneSearchResults-style sp bug listing: http://69.70.209.33:8086/distros/debian/woody/+sources/mozilla-firefox/+bugs (the listing itself is not done yet, of course; I have to add IBugTask.statusdisplay, and possibly the summary or a snippet of the description, if no summary, to the listing.)
[08:08] <bradb> mpt: ^^
[08:08] <kiko> the summary, definitely
[08:08] <kiko> mpt, will have a format for you, surely
[08:09] <bradb> interesting, mpt didn't show a summary in MSR
[08:09] <bradb> er, interesting*ly*, i meant
[08:09] <kiko> we'll just have to prod him into it :)
[08:09] <bradb> yeah :)
[08:09] <kiko> he'll be down in a minute
[08:09] <bradb> ok
[08:15] <kiko> bradb, I was also going to say you should try and keep the interface for the search listings template as similar as possible to the table layout template
[08:15] <kiko> so that we can offer both views if we want
[08:15] <kiko> by interface think template API
[08:16] <mpt> bradb: Use ++resource++bug for wontfix, I guess
[08:16] <mpt> bradb: Summary is also in SimplifyingMalone
[08:21] <sabdfl> so dudes, how's it going?
[08:21] <sabdfl> my little fingers are buring from that bounty polish
[08:21] <sabdfl> burning, even
[08:21] <sabdfl> kiko: this w/e i'm going to work on a little present for you in LP
[08:21] <sabdfl> i'll be travelling sun-wed, so it may not land next week
[08:21] <sabdfl> but you're going to like it, i think
[08:23] <kiko> I'm looking at the UBZ plan
[08:23] <kiko> everytime baz builds a pristine tree I stop work for 30 minutes
[08:28] <bradb> kiko: similar interface, right. as per an earlier discussion with mpt, I'm doing my best to prepare for the possibility of riots when the table view is gone (i.e. not "removing" any of the table view code, and hopefully keeping it easy to go back to that layout as an option when people start screaming.)
[08:30] <kiko> bradb, I'd like to have the option, to be honest. for one, the table layout is the only one which currently support client-side sorting
[08:30] <kiko> in my dream world it would be a matter of swapping a single line in the callsite
[08:31] <kiko> can that be made possible or is it crack?
[08:31] <bradb> I'd like to have the option too. How do we reconcile the difference in vertical real estate usage between the list and table view? Show portlets on both sides for list view and only on the right side for table view?
[08:31] <bradb> kiko: with a little bit of ninjaneering, to be sure
[08:34] <kiko> bradb, you mean horizontal real estate.
[08:34] <kiko> hmmm
[08:35] <kiko> well, that's a secondary issue to me
[08:35] <kiko> if the API is kept exactly the same I can work on that later
[08:35] <kiko> if the API diverges however, it's going to be hell to start and that makes the work less interesting
[08:35] <kiko> @#@!#@
[08:37] <bradb> yeah
[08:39] <bradb> before i submit for review, i'll make sure it's only a one-line change to switch between table or list
[08:40] <kiko> thanks
[08:44] <bradb> BjornT: Would you mind taking on DistroReleaseCVEReport?
[08:45] <BjornT> bradb: sure, i can do that
[08:45] <bradb> the untriaged bugs and (a new version of the) distro release bugs listing has to be doled out too, but i'd rather wait till MaloneSearchResults is merged to think about who should do what there
[08:45] <bradb> BjornT: great, thanks
[09:39] <carlos> andandare, hi?
[10:05] <kiko> does anyone know ian bicking?
[10:05] <bradb> it's been quite a while since i corresponded with him
[10:09] <andandare> hi carlos
[10:09] <carlos> andandare, hi
[10:09] <kiko> bradb, what's he like
[10:11] <bradb> Seemed like a nice enough guy. He's got a blog and he's not afraid to use it.
[10:11] <andandare> carlos: well, i had tried before to have a private chat with you, may I now?
[10:11] <kiko> bradb, yeah, I've read it. he's always idle on IRC, though
[10:12] <carlos> andandare, seems like my router does not accepts dcc chats, lets try just a query...
[10:13] <bradb> kiko: At a guess, I'd say he's easier to reach by email.
[10:15] <andandare> carlos:ok.
[11:00] <bradb> mpt: http://69.70.209.33:8086/distros/debian/woody/+sources/mozilla-firefox/+bugs -- I've got basically all the data in place now; would you be interested in tuning up the CSS so that the display doesn't suck?
[11:05] <bradb> i.e. you can branch and merge from me, if you want
[11:08] <cyphase> hey everyone
[11:10] <mpt> bradb: sure, e-mail me the branch details and I'll look at it on Sunday/Monday
[11:11] <bradb> sounds good, thanks
[11:11] <mpt> bradb: The table view has never included the Summary field, so one step to "reconcil[ing] the difference in vertical real estate usage between the list and table view" would be to not include it in the list view either. :-)
[11:11] <mpt> Most lists of results will be much longer than that example page.
[11:11] <bradb> s/vertical/horizontal/
[11:12] <bradb> i don't get it, how does that reconcile the difference?
[11:13] <bradb> the list view is much narrower than the table view, summary or not
[11:13] <bradb> or maybe you actually meant vertical, where i meant horizontal, even though i said vertical
[11:13] <bradb> :P
[11:15] <kiko> is PQM happy or is it wedged?
[11:15] <bradb> mpt: after i'm done status/commit, I'll email you the details. so in about 30 mins.
[11:16] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] fix a few trivialities in the Rosetta POParser that hamper imports, order the translation barchart in descending mode when clicking on the barchart column, and fix bug 1678: Sorting bugs by source package name produces a system error. O PQM please accept this young virgin and process my modification request? (patch-2280: [email protected])
[11:16] <bradb> you got lucky
[11:22] <kiko> woot
[11:22] <kiko> bradb, question for you
[11:22] <kiko> AttributeError: 'SimpleViewClass from /home/kiko/devel/rocketfuel2/' object has no attribute 'schema'
[11:22] <kiko> has anyone seen something like this?
[11:23] <bradb> for what url?
[11:24] <bradb> (and what does the ZCML registration for that page look like?)
[11:26] <bradb> (is it possible that you overrode the __init__ without calling the base class __init__?)
[11:26] <bradb> (the __init__ of the view class, that is)
[11:27] <kiko> http://localhost:8086/products/firefox/1.0.0
[11:27] <kiko> in rocketfuel tip
[11:27] <kiko> see if it blows up for you
[11:28] <bradb> yes, it does, so let's see...
[11:29] <bradb> i think i know why
[11:30] <bradb> it inherits from SQLObjectEditView, because it's used as an edit view
[11:30] <bradb> but, on this page, it's not actually used as an edit view, it's just a browser:page
[11:31] <bradb> so, when the view is constructed to render this page, it's not initialized with a .schema attribute, like it would be if it were an addform or editform
[11:31] <bradb> when it's constructed, it's the base class's (i.e. SQLObjectEditView) __init__ that tries to access that .schema, and dies
[11:31] <kiko> that's a regression; it used to work
[11:34] <bradb> the solution is to create a separate FooEditView to use for the edit views, and make this view's view class not inherit from SQLObjectEditView
[11:35] <kiko> why did it regress, I wonder -- any clue?
[11:36] <bradb> Because there's no test for it, I'd imagine.
[11:36] <kiko> yeah, I guess
[11:36] <kiko> hum hum
[11:37] <bradb> I just stumbled on the same problem with distro milestones. Accessing distro milestone bugs raises an exception because, clearly, there's no test for that page.
[12:01] <kiko> darn
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2005-08-24-#kubuntu
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[12:15] <lwizardl> hi
[12:16] <lwizardl> in kubuntu how do i install programs that have files like "firefox-1.0.6.installer.tar.gz"
[12:16] <Elsidoxx> lwizardl: you have to extract the file first. With something like ark. Than run the installer if there is one or compile it
[12:17] <lwizardl> ok i'll try
[12:18] <lwizardl> thanks that worked
[12:20] <lwizardl> how in konquerer do i clear the history, location bar
[12:21] <Elsidoxx> lwizardl: no problem. =)
[12:22] <Elsidoxx> lwizardl: and as for your secoudn question i dont know. sorry
[12:23] <lwizardl> so far i'm liking kubuntu, i just wish was setup like mandriva, but mandriva had issues with my sound card,usb,nic and kubuntu auto installed it
[12:25] <_rolando> how can i configure my panel, so that i have different subcategories in each caterogy?
[12:26] <_rolando> for example:internet i wanna have browsers, IM, chat,.....
[12:26] <_rolando> mail
[12:26] <_rolando> ,.....
[12:26] <isai> how do I listen to mp3 shoutcasts?
[12:26] <tenco> versteh ich nicht
[12:26] <_rolando> and not all the programs in there
[12:26] <_rolando> wirklich?
[12:27] <tenco> warum besteht mozilla-mplayer auf mozilla-browser?
[12:27] <tenco> das ist doch nurn plugin
[12:27] <_rolando> kannst du englisch?
[12:27] <tenco> ich?
[12:27] <tenco> ja
[12:27] <_rolando> mplayer plugin is what you need
[12:28] <_rolando> any1 knows about my problems with the start menu?
[12:28] <tenco> #-) thougt i was on #ubuntu-de
[12:28] <tenco> sorry
[12:28] <_rolando> np penco
[12:28] <tenco> forgot to switch channels
[12:35] <McScruff> lo
[12:35] <McScruff> help, my main panel is messed up
[12:46] <tenco> i am searching for an app which works like del.ic.ious for local files instead of bookmarks (tagging)
[12:47] <tenco> like: i can tag files and let list the app files which have i certain tag
[12:47] <tenco> s/i/a/
[12:52] <lwizardl> hi
[12:53] <lwizardl> can someone explain to me what kubuntu uses for the nvidia nforce drivers?
[12:55] <lwizardl> becuase kubuntu is the only linux os that i get sound in
[01:18] <Peaker> How do I re-invoke the network configuration that appeared in the installation?
[01:27] <_static> If it is legal for you to use css, you can run
[01:27] <_static> '/usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh' at any time to
[01:27] <_static> download and install it.
[01:30] <jeffm_> hey guys
[01:30] <jeffm_> can someone help me with my interfaces file?
[01:30] <jeffm_> ive got wireless lan, but when i do ifup wlan0 i get 'too few parameters for iface line'
[01:58] <jeffm_> wow
[01:58] <jeffm_> anyone home?
[02:17] <Peaker> The new KDE that's available in kubuntu is pretty damn cool ;)
[02:18] <stizoner> operation not permited, setlenghts fails..... is what i get when i try to open a torrent to seed with azurues
[02:28] <peaker> Hey, I tried dist-upgrade'ing, and now I get my root filesystem unmounted in the middle of all apt operations. (the dist-upgrade failed in middle cause of that). I suspect its because of an error on / since the mount options includes remount-ro on-error, but any idea if this is a known bug?
[02:30] <peaker> apt is spitting out way too much information such that konsole/screen cant scroll back to see the originating error, and redirecting stderr does not work for some reason
[02:46] <p0z3r> my console screen is borked after doing an install.
[02:46] <p0z3r> it cycles around like a television without good reception.
[02:46] <p0z3r> anyone have any idea how to get around this? I can boot recovery mode.
[03:14] <jeremi> can some one help me get my clock to show in 12hr format instead of military time
[03:16] <jsubl2> jeremi, right click on the clock and select date and time formats
[03:21] <jeremi> ya didnt log out to test it when I did that
[03:21] <jeremi> i should read the popups more
[03:22] <jeremi> what about changing the graphical greater?
[03:23] <jeremi> i couldent find an option in kde only gnome
[03:24] <peaker> Hmm.. I don't get it, I try to MAKEDEV audio, and it runs all of the mknod commands, but the /dev items are not created! when I run the commands manually, it works.. what gives?
[03:24] <peaker> Is there a weird makedev or /dev hack in ubuntu?
[03:30] <EasterSunshine> hey currently, only breezy ubuntu is out? not breezy kubuntu?
[03:44] <nxv_> hi, i have trouble running topcoders learning area
[03:44] <nxv_> can somebody test if this works for him/her?
[03:44] <nxv_> javaws ./javaws http://www.topcoder.com/contest/arena/ContestAppletGoogle.jnlp
[03:44] <nxv_> javaws http://www.topcoder.com/contest/arena/ContestAppletGoogle.jnlp
[04:06] <PurpleMotion> Hai, fsckers!
[04:06] <SbCl3> where are the ops?
[04:07] <PurpleMotion> lurking, i suppose
[04:07] <SbCl3> i wonder which freenode channel has the most users-
[04:15] <jsubl2> the new add/remove programs on the new colony 3 cd under gnome looks pretty good. but, i would still rather use kde
[04:23] <Jeevan> SbCl3: #gentoo
[04:23] <Jeevan> then debian then ubuntu
[04:27] <SbCl3> are you sure?
[04:28] <SbCl3> (is there a way to look this up)?
[04:46] <EasterSunshine> sbcl3: type /list . either your client will time out from flood, or it will list in order all teh visible channels on the server
[04:46] <EasterSunshine> eww...too many ops in gentoo its scary
[05:14] <_shawn_> hi
[05:15] <_shawn_> has anyone upgraded kubuntu to breezy yet?
[05:28] <_shawn_> so noone has upgraded kubuntu to breezy?
[05:34] <EasterSunshine> no one that is not idle
[05:35] <_shawn_> ok
[05:36] <EasterSunshine> please do not sit in front of computer watching the screen waiting for a repsonse
[05:36] <penticlex> is there just no kdmrc file in ubuntu?
[05:36] <EasterSunshine> they come sometimes one month later
[05:37] <_shawn_> ya acctually I asked the same question in the forum
[05:40] <seth_k> I'm running Breezy on both my computers
[05:40] <seth_k> @ _shawn_
[05:40] <_shawn_> no issues?
[05:40] <_shawn_> well majior ones
[05:40] <seth_k> none that I didn't know how to fix
[05:41] <_shawn_> ok sounds good
[05:42] <_shawn_> how's it compare to horay... is it worth upgrading/
[05:42] <_shawn_> ?
[05:42] <_shawn_> *hoary
[05:42] <_shawn_> @ seth_k
[05:43] <seth_k> Dunno, I've been running Breezy since Hoary + 1 day
[05:43] <seth_k> so I don't remember what Hoary was like
[05:43] <_shawn_> ah I see
[06:02] <narg> hrm... Am I missing something, or is Azureus not in the repos?
[06:02] <satafterh> anyone here use zsnes and get sound working
[06:16] <jeremi> trying to get a list of users to show w/ kde
[06:16] <jeremi> can nome one help
[06:16] <jeremi> ?
[06:16] <jeremi> its for the login screen
[06:17] <narg> somehow pipe the output of who though a wrapper
[06:17] <narg> possibly using pyqt
[06:17] <narg> how you get it on login screen... good luck :p
[06:49] <tgnb> good evening
[06:54] <jeremi> any one here?
[06:57] <tgnb> i'm here
[07:04] <jeremi> brb
[07:07] <penticlex> trying to get userlist to show in login screen
[07:07] <dell500> can anyone help me burn a dvd backup??
[07:07] <penticlex> its easy w/ gnome
[07:09] <penticlex> try K3b i thik that will make backups for dvd's
[07:11] <dell500> well i have the files
[07:11] <dell500> but i'm not sure what to do with them
[07:11] <dell500> i have IFO, VSI, XVO files
[07:13] <narg> burn as data, dell500?
[07:13] <dell500> burn as video
[07:13] <dell500> so i can watch it
[07:17] <dell500> ??
[07:20] <tgnb> i just installed firefox but it didnt create a menu item in my kde menus.. is it supposed to?
[07:22] <tgnb> nevermind i logged out and back in and its there now
[07:22] <tgnb> however i do get an error when i launch it and its interface is dead ugly.. i guess the default gtk theme is yucky and has tiny fonts
[07:29] <tanghus> tgnb: by default it looks for an html page which is contained in the ubuntu-artwork package - is that the error u get?
[07:29] <tgnb> yeah
[07:29] <tgnb> i guess i can change the homepage to blank
[07:30] <tanghus> yep - or apt-get install ubuntu-artwork
[07:32] <dell500> no one knows about the dvd backup stuff??
[07:40] <tgnb> ok i installed the newest ATI drivers and 2d is using the fglrx driver now instead of the ati driver. but dri fails to load. the X log says "incompatible kernel module detected HW accelerated OpenGL will not work"
[07:40] <tgnb> the kernel version is 8.8.25 and the drivers i installed are 8.16.20
[07:48] <dell500> does anyone know what VSI, XVO, and IFO files are for a dvd backup?
[07:52] <tgnb> hmm i guess maybe i dont have any kernel headers installed
[07:59] <paines> hi
[08:44] <gfox^IRC> yo guys
[09:11] <drawagoat> hey whats the command to see system info in terminal?
[10:16] <[ITA] MisterX> HI ALL! :)
[10:17] <paines> hi
[10:17] <[ITA] MisterX> Finally, I can play AA on kubuntu 8-)
[10:17] <paines> america' army ?
[10:17] <paines> s
[10:18] <[ITA] MisterX> of course :)
[10:18] <kalenedrael> what are you using?
[10:18] <[ITA] MisterX> What do you mean with ''using''?
[10:19] <[ITA] MisterX> OS, Pc Hardware, PG Career (:D), etc...
[10:22] <[ITA] MisterX> Anyway... Ain't using any antivirus or firewall...
[10:38] <BTJustice> Kubuntu is cool, lol. I am happy.
[10:40] <paines> anyone know a tool which would parse lspci or ddcprobe and map that to the corresponding X gfx driver ?
[11:26] <hettar> I see that there is a new ubuntu colony 3 has been released. Any chance kubuntu will be releasing a preview any time soon
[11:34] <CellarDoor> UT2004 has installed on my kubuntu system !
[11:34] <CellarDoor> woohooo !
[11:34] <CellarDoor> UT2004 has never installed for me on any other distro
[11:35] <hettar> THe linux version ?
[11:49] <nikkia> urgh, i hate gnome!!
[11:49] <PieD> nikkia: that's just natural :)
[11:50] <nikkia> pied, why do they have to (*&( with files that KDE uses too ?
[11:50] <nikkia> brb, gonna try and sort this mess out, a little
[11:51] <paines> thats right. you install gnome to take a look at it, and you can never get rid of the gnome animated icons
[11:51] <paines> even if you are running kde and deinstalled gnome
[11:52] <nikkia> nope, system hosed, all thanks to gnome
[11:54] <CellarDoor> hettar, yes :D
[11:55] <Chousuke> nikkia: What does gnome do that broke your system?
[11:55] <nikkia> Chousuke: it trashed all of KDE's .desktop files when update-desktop-database was run
[11:55] <Chousuke> :/
[11:55] <Chousuke> trashed how?
[11:56] <nikkia> deleted
[11:56] <CellarDoor> ah that would be pretty annoying
[11:56] <nikkia> CellarDoor: i don't run it
[11:57] <nikkia> CellarDoor: but i wanted to try and get thunderbird to open links in firefox
[11:57] <CellarDoor> ?
[11:57] <CellarDoor> why would you need gnome for that ?
[11:57] <nikkia> CellarDoor: thunderbird and firefox both use gnome for their mime-types handling
[11:57] <nikkia> ergo, thunderbird uses whatever gnome thinks is the right application to open a link
[11:57] <nikkia> which somehow seems to be quanta+
[11:57] <CellarDoor> oh
[11:58] <CellarDoor> I didn't know that
[11:58] <nikkia> CellarDoor: the mozilla apps are all gnome apps :/
[11:58] <nikkia> well, they claim to be gtk2, but they actually dig into gnome settings for a lot of stuff when you delve into the 'gtk2' code in the source
[11:58] <CellarDoor> I have firefox
[11:59] <nikkia> CellarDoor: when i say 'mozilla apps' i mean, mozilla, firefox, thunderbird, sunbird, etc
[11:59] <CellarDoor> but i only use it when konqueror crashes or wont work on some sites
[11:59] <CellarDoor> nikkia, yea thats pretty crappy
[12:01] <jpatrick> opss
[12:02] <CyberMad> hello, does anyone know chat software based on LAN which support MultiPlatform (at least support Linux & Windows) and run PeerToPeer(P2P), so no need server?
[12:02] <paines> talk
[12:02] <CyberMad> paines talk?
[12:03] <paines> oh no, talk only runs on unixes i think
[12:03] <nikkia> you could use microsoft messaging
[12:04] <CyberMad> nikkia so what is the software name on linux?
[12:04] <nikkia> CyberMad: can't remember :/
[12:04] <CyberMad> i hope the software is opensource / freeware
[12:04] <paines> linpopup
[12:04] <nikkia> CyberMad: i know i've sent messages to windows machines with it from linux tho
[12:04] <paines> like winpopup
[12:05] <paines> or linneighbourhood
[12:06] <CyberMad> does with linpopup i can know who's online?
[12:06] <CyberMad> because afaik winpopup can not do that
[12:06] <CyberMad> paines afaik linneighborhood just for file sharing ? cmiiw
[12:06] <nikkia> CyberMad: i don't think you're going to find anything that matches what you want
[12:06] <nikkia> it sounds like you want a full blown IM, but the fact is, you're not going to find a server-less IM
[12:08] <CyberMad> on windows i already use Network Assistant that support P2P, but not support linux :(
[12:09] <CyberMad> in fedora channel.. someone tell me to use Skype
[12:09] <CyberMad> brb check skype feature
[12:09] <ilba7r> cyberMad what do you wana do exactly?
[12:10] <nikkia> CyberMad: you'd be better off installing an intranet jabber server, tbh
[12:10] <CyberMad> there is no server here, i mean there is no computer online for long time
[12:11] <jpatrick> Too bad Bonjour doesn't work on Linux
[12:11] <CyberMad> i need chat software based on LAN which support MultiPlatform (at least support Linux & Windows) and run PeerToPeer(P2P), so no need server? and i can know who's online
[12:11] <jpatrick> wait you could use Gaim
[12:11] <ilba7r> qnext
[12:11] <CyberMad> afaik gaim need server
[12:11] <ilba7r> its excellent for file sharing
[12:11] <ilba7r> google it
[12:11] <jpatrick> Bonjour is server-less chat
[12:12] <CyberMad> ilba7r is that chat software or file sharing software?
[12:12] <CyberMad> jpatrick ok.. i google it
[12:12] <ilba7r> both p2p
[12:12] <CyberMad> ilba7r ok i google it too
[12:12] <ilba7r> its really superb
[12:12] <jpatrick> Gaim has Bonjour I think - last time I looked :)
[12:13] <jpatrick> So does anyone know what the theme is?
[12:14] <jpatrick> CyberMad: http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/bonjour/
[12:15] <nikkia> jpatrick: christ, they changed the name AGAIN ?
[12:16] <jpatrick> Yeah they did
[12:16] <jpatrick> pretty annoying :p
[12:17] <nikkia> makes you wonder why they don't just stick to the official name, ZeroConf, and have done with it
[12:17] <hettar> Not their fault. SOme hit them with a trademark suit
[12:17] <nikkia> hettar: yes, it IS their fault
[12:17] <hussam> how can list the "time modified" when using the dir command?
[12:18] <jpatrick> I like the Dashboard widgets
[12:18] <nikkia> hettar: ZeroConf has no trademark issues, its been called ZeroConf since before apple started trying to find a name to call their version
[12:18] <CyberMad> jpatrick so where is bonjour for linux, err can't found it :P
[12:19] <hettar> ZeroConf is the protocol. you don't have to name software that implements a network protocol after the protocol
[12:19] <CyberMad> i think qnext is cool ;)
[12:19] <jpatrick> CyberMad: I think there's a Gaim plugin
[12:20] <CyberMad> CyberMad ic, gaim plugin for bonjour, right?
[12:20] <CyberMad> err
[12:20] <nikkia> jpatrick: as far as i can tell, its in cvs, but not in the releases
[12:21] <jpatrick> yeah
[12:21] <CyberMad> wew QNext 30 MB
[12:21] <nikkia> hettar: Bonjour is the protocol
[12:21] <nikkia> hettar: as was Rendezvous
[12:22] <CyberMad> ok, i will try bonjour & gaim later
[12:22] <nikkia> hettar: the software that implemented Rendezvous wasn't even called Rendezvous, it was called mDNSresponder, ffs
[12:22] <CyberMad> right now i was downloading QNext (both: linux & windows version)
[12:22] <ilba7r> cyberMad qnext is java appl
[12:23] <ilba7r> no need to install :)
[12:23] <CyberMad> ??
[12:23] <kinfo> what?
[12:24] <CyberMad> how do you run qnext if you don't install it
[12:24] <ilba7r> java qnext
[12:24] <ilba7r> and you already have java
[12:24] <ilba7r> let me get you the script i have i think they download it to you
[12:25] <ilba7r> yap you just click on the qnext icon after untarring it
[12:25] <CyberMad> so what is this: qnext.tar.bz2 ?
[12:26] <ilba7r> ok untar it in a directory
[12:26] <ilba7r> right moust click and say extract here
[12:26] <CyberMad> bunzip2 qnext.tar.bz2
[12:26] <CyberMad> tar -xf qnext.tar
[12:26] <CyberMad> cd qnext
[12:26] <CyberMad> ./qnext
[12:27] <ilba7r> i normally click on it by the mouse botton
[12:27] <ilba7r> just check if it is executable
[12:28] <CyberMad> ok, i guess i miss-understood meaning of word "install"
[12:30] <ilba7r> did you run it
[12:31] <ilba7r> ok got to go its not that hard to run and set take care
[12:33] <CyberMad> ok
[12:33] <CyberMad> thanks d00d
[12:37] <nikkia> heh, oops !! :P
[12:37] <nikkia> when my boss complained about the responsiveness of my project, i just told him 'its written in java, not much i can do'
[12:37] <nikkia> just discovered a 20mS sleep in the main loop
[12:38] <nikkia> i must have put it there when it was very early on and there wasn't enough going on to keep the refresh from happening 'way too fast'
[12:57] <gsuveg> re
[12:58] <gsuveg> where can i add a new wm to kdm ?
[12:59] <seaLne> ooh some point recently the torrent trackers started working again
[01:01] <CyberMad> how to run skype on LAN ?
[01:01] <CyberMad> :)
[01:06] <jpatrick> o.O
[01:07] <nikkia> CyberMad: good luck, skype is horrible to setup :P
[01:07] <nikkia> it uses OSS and can't be dsp wrapped
[01:07] <nikkia> so you can't use it at the same time as artsd or any other sound server, or any other sound app
[01:08] <paines> so get an emu10k1 based card which can play >30 stream at the same time
[01:08] <nikkia> paines: not that easy, since creative are now selling SBLive's that don't have emu10k1
[01:09] <paines> nikkia, what ? really ?
[01:09] <paines> what a sad world
[01:09] <nikkia> paines: yeah, that was the whole basis of JWZ's rant
[01:09] <nikkia> he bought a SBLive 'cos its supposed to work in linux' and got one of the new cards without hardware mixing
[01:09] <paines> jamie zawinski ?
[01:09] <nikkia> yeah
[01:09] <paines> hrhr
[01:09] <paines> all right
[01:10] <paines> have to read that
[01:10] <nikkia> about a month or two ago he ranted about linux audio, then bought a mac
[01:10] <paines> thanks nikkia
[01:10] <paines> haha, i can remaber how he ranted about linux video / dvd software. the masses at slashdot went nuts
[01:11] <nikkia> he didn't used to rant this much...
[01:12] <nikkia> altho i remember once seeing a webcam of his office and thinking 'what a nutcase' :P
[01:12] <paines> well, anyway, i can understand it when he get pissed of about some things. he is too long in this business
[01:12] <nikkia> (which was about a week after bumping into him at the supermarket :)
[01:12] <paines> ohh
[01:13] <paines> so you live in sf ?
[01:13] <nikkia> no, at the time i lived in mountain view
[01:13] <nikkia> worked just opposite netscape's buildings
[01:13] <paines> ahh. i see
[01:14] <nikkia> JWZ and myself both apparently shopped at the same safeway on Shoreline
[01:14] <zsolt> hey there
[01:15] <nikkia> which was always a fun supermarket for a geek
[01:15] <nikkia> as occasionally you'd see the parking lot full of cars with license plates like 'SGI 1' and so on :P
[01:16] <zsolt> do you know a good howto about networking? google isn't my friend today
[01:16] <nikkia> zsolt: you probably want the one thats on www.debian.org somewhere
[01:16] <zsolt> thx
[01:17] <nikkia> there is a general howto for networking on linux.org, but it isn't very debian-ised, the concepts involved with /etc/network/interfaces are quite a bit different
[01:17] <nikkia> altho, with the debian one, you'll need to bear in mind that on [k] ubuntu ifupdown isn't really used per se, network initialisation is done by hotplug instead
[01:18] <paines> nikkia, intressting. must be cool to chat some well known computer geek like jwz
[01:19] <nikkia> paines, actually, my real 'brush with geek famedom' was carrying Vint Cerf's bags at SFO one day :)
[01:20] <nikkia> my boss was one of his buddies (worked on TCP/IP together) and was going with Vint's wife to pick him up from the airport for a birthday surprise, and asked if i'd like to tag along to meet him
[01:21] <paines> hehe. cool
[01:22] <zsolt> ok what i want to do isn't very complicated. i want to assign a static ip to eth0 and set the default gateway to my router's ip. i think that's all i need
[01:22] <CyberMad> nikkia thanks for answer.. :) sorry i was away from keyboard
[01:22] <zsolt> but every tutorial shows me a different way, with config files i don't even have
[01:24] <douglas> how do I add a custom installed desktop environment to kubuntu's session list?
[01:27] <nikkia> zsolt: you want something like: http://pastebin.com/340649
[01:28] <zsolt> exactly, but where the heck do i put this?
[01:28] <nikkia> in /etc/network/interfaces
[01:29] <nikkia> which is 'the debian way' :)
[01:29] <zsolt> yea :) all i found was "the redhat way"
[01:29] <zsolt> thnaks
[01:31] <nikkia> i told you to use the debian howtos :)
[01:31] <nikkia> and pointed out that there is a slight difference, debian uses ifupdown to make the contents of /etc/network/interfaces take effect, whereas [k] ubuntu uses hotplug (which indirectly uses ifupdown)
[01:33] <zsolt> your a noob's hero :)
[01:35] <McScruff> i have a small error, when i boot up, it sometimes hangs on the searching for hotplugs
[01:36] <McScruff> any idea why?
[01:36] <jpatrick> It does that :| sometimes
[01:37] <zsolt> i hope i'm back soon, without the help of dhcp :)
[01:38] <nikkia> for me, it was always usb-storage that caused it
[01:42] <zsolt> it's working
[01:42] <zsolt> :)
[01:46] <jpatrick> I can't load my personal data from address book :-/
[01:47] <zsolt> i'm looking at the networking howto at debian.org, and it doesn't mention /etc/network/interfaces, all it uses is ifconfig and route
[01:48] <nikkia> hmmm
[01:49] <zsolt> which i read most people just put into a script to get things done at startup
[01:49] <nikkia> you didn't read far enough :P
[01:49] <nikkia> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html#s-net-high
[01:50] <nikkia> the manual refers to 'low level configuration', then goes on to 'high level configuration' (how you SHOULD config it), which IMO is a bad way to present the info, as people will read the low-level and do it, then be confused
[01:50] <nikkia> but then, confusion seems to reign unchecked when it comes to /etc/network/interfaces, it doesn't help that the man pages don't document the file fully, either
[01:51] <zsolt> oh well, i learned something useful today
[01:51] <zsolt> i'm gonna bookmark this little reference, it'll be handy next time
[01:52] <nikkia> for example, that manual uses dns-nameservers, but iirc, that command isn't documented in the man page for interfaces
[01:53] <zsolt> hmm
[01:53] <nikkia> and indeed, it doesn't
[01:58] <zsolt> oh there was an other thing i wanted to ask about creating new users. i put my bro into the "users" group, then logged in with his name, and i got an error saying access is denied to /dev/dsp
[01:59] <zsolt> so there would be no sound
[02:00] <zsolt> somehow i don't think changing the access rights to /dev/dsp is the right solution
[02:00] <paines> zsolt, add your bro to /etc/group->audio
[02:00] <zsolt> oh
[02:01] <zsolt> is there anything else i should do as well when creating new users? like how do you usually do it?
[02:02] <paines> hmm
[02:03] <maxy_noob> Hi guys!
[02:03] <zsolt> ok i added him to audio. and video and sudo to be able to sudo from his shell
[02:04] <paines> zsolt, how did you add the new account. via console or graphical interface
[02:04] <maxy_noob> can I just cut in?
[02:04] <zsolt> graphical
[02:04] <paines> maxy_noob, just ask
[02:04] <paines> ;-)
[02:05] <paines> zsolt, to be honest, never did it with an graphical interface always by hand, so I set up the group permissions also
[02:05] <maxy_noob> okey dokey. I'm just trying to get my home network to work on kubuntu. It's a cinch in ubuntu (i.e. gnome), but KDE doesn't seem to be cooperating.
[02:06] <zsolt> that's fine with me, i like bash better
[02:06] <maxy_noob> I try to switch to administrator mode but nothing happens after I enter my password. Options remain greyed out.
[02:06] <paines> zsolt, fine. then lear about usermod. man usermod
[02:06] <zsolt> okie, thanks
[02:06] <paines> maxy_noob, of which app are we speaking ?
[02:06] <paines> zsolt, np
[02:07] <maxy_noob> KDE Control Module (Network Settings)?
[02:07] <zsolt> oh that locks up for me too
[02:07] <maxy_noob> Is there another way then?
[02:09] <maxy_noob> I need to enable and configure eth0
[02:09] <zsolt> nikkia just explained this to me a few minutes ago
[02:09] <zsolt> i think i might be able to help with the basics now
[02:10] <maxy_noob> Can you give me a synopsis?
[02:10] <zsolt> you should edit /etc/network/interfaces
[02:10] <maxy_noob> from where?
[02:11] <zsolt> you can do kdesu kate /etc/network/interfaces
[02:11] <zsolt> press alt+f2 to do so
[02:12] <maxy_noob> after I enter my password nothing happens.
[02:12] <zsolt> it should bring up kate
[02:13] <maxy_noob> ok, now it did
[02:13] <zsolt> good
[02:13] <maxy_noob> now?
[02:14] <zsolt> my guess is it already has something under eth0
[02:14] <zsolt> iface eth0 inet static
[02:14] <maxy_noob> actually, nothing's in there about eth0
[02:15] <maxy_noob> Just a command about the primary network interface card being eth1
[02:15] <edvardas> hello
[02:15] <zsolt> ok well i can give you how mine is set up, but i think it'd end in a flood kill so let's go private
[02:16] <maxy_noob> ok
[02:20] <Kitty-Kun> hi!
[02:20] <Kitty-Kun> rarararar!
[02:21] <CellarDoor> Well, I got UT2004 to install but I don't know how to install the mods
[02:23] <CellarDoor> #unrealtournament
[02:23] <CellarDoor> oops
[02:23] <Kitty-Kun> ... this channel is QUIET
[02:23] <CellarDoor> mmm
[02:23] <paines> NO IT ISN'T
[02:23] <paines> ;-)
[02:24] <Hobbsee> hey all - if i'm installing a beta version of open office 2, do i need to get rid of open office 1.1? If so, will it affect anything else?
[02:25] <paines> Hobbsee, no, they can coexist
[02:25] <zsolt> thanks for all the help, i'm gonna go eat something, see ya all later
[02:25] <Hobbsee> cool - could I get rid of it if I wanted to?
[02:25] <CellarDoor> I've experienced the beta crash a bit
[02:25] <paines> Hobbsee, yup
[02:25] <katrina> hello
[02:25] <paines> Hobbsee, apt-get remove openoffice.org
[02:25] <paines> yould do the job
[02:25] <Hobbsee> excellent, thanks
[02:26] <paines> np
[02:26] <katrina> how do i apt-get the openoffice version 2?
[02:26] <Hobbsee> :) i'm still rather new, and the forums seem to have just gone down
[02:26] <katrina> how do i apt-get the openoffice version 2?
[02:28] <paines> dont' know. but last night i testes breezy developmen aka colony 3, and it had oo2. so best is you ask ubuntu-devel
[02:28] <Hobbsee> you can grab it via synaptic
[02:28] <Hobbsee> or kynaptic, if you prefer
[02:28] <CellarDoor> katrina, if you use "find" in kynaptic its easy to find and install :)
[02:29] <katrina> the latest verion? version 2? i think not
[02:29] <Hobbsee> yes, katrina
[02:29] <Hobbsee> didnt check in kynaptic, but it's definetly there in synaptic
[02:30] <CellarDoor> yep definately there in kynaptic
[02:30] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:30] <Hobbsee> going to get it...
[02:30] <Hobbsee> it's not apt-get openoffice.org 2
[02:30] <Hobbsee> lol
[02:31] <CellarDoor> sudo apt-get openoffice.org2
[02:31] <CellarDoor> methinks
[02:32] <Hobbsee> invalid operation
[02:32] <CellarDoor> ooer
[02:32] <CellarDoor> I haven't tried it :P
[02:32] <CellarDoor> I've actually already got it
[02:32] <Hobbsee> i think i'll really have to give in and go through synaptic
[02:32] <_katrina> hot
[02:33] <_katrina> show me hot to apt-get OoO version 2
[02:33] <Kitty-Kun> would you recommend kubunty for a computer with a ~800 MHz amd processor?
[02:33] <Hobbsee> yes, well i did on windows...but that work under this now does it :P
[02:34] <CellarDoor> _katrina, just open up kynaptic, click on the edit menu and in the 'find' window type openoffice and you will see the files come up, just click on openoffice.org2 and I expect it will automatically select the others as well
[02:34] <MrPoke> _katrina: sudo apt-get install openoffice.org2
[02:34] <CellarDoor> aah
[02:34] <MrPoke> _katrina: that should do it
[02:34] <CellarDoor> silly me, I forget "install"
[02:34] <CellarDoor> :P
[02:35] <MrPoke> CellarDoor: I saw that only after a few my self
[02:35] <Hobbsee> yep, that's it
[02:35] <MrPoke> CellarDoor: I forget get cause I have a alias for apt-get install set to i, and yes I am lazy
[02:35] <CellarDoor> :)
[02:36] <Hobbsee> that's clever MrPoke
[02:36] <Hobbsee> someday i'll end up doing that...havent even had this installed for 24 hours yet
[02:39] <MrPoke> Hobbsee: #echo "alias i='sudo apt-get install '" >> ~/.bash_profile
[02:42] <nikkia> wow, now that was a hack
[02:42] <_katrina> thanks guys
[02:43] <nikkia> needed to upload the differences between two machines copies of a directory, knocked up a quick ruby script that compared m5sum lists, then fed the output to xargs tar zcvf /tmp/difference.tgz :)
[02:45] <paines> ruby ?!?! wasn't there somwthing slower
[02:46] <nikkia> paines: yeah, because speed really matters when comparing 2 files *rolls eyes*
[02:46] <paines> hrhr
[02:49] <MrPoke> nikkia: speed of the hard drive maybe
[02:50] <nikkia> MrPoke: no, the point is, i couldn't care less if it takes 2 seconds, or 2 minutes to generate a list of files that i need to upload, i just need it done without spending an afternoon writing a program to compare the lists (and no, diff doesn't do the job)
[02:55] <MrPoke> I have to say I love it when someone puts my nick in a msg with Konversation, the alert I have set up it just sexy
[02:56] <MrPoke> why o why did I ever use xchat :-p
[02:56] <nikkia> MrPoke: *shrug* i bet its not as good as the kvirc alert :P
[03:07] <Hobbsee> woohoo! open office 2 works from that :D
[03:08] <Hobbsee> ooh it's much prettier than the windows version!
[03:09] <jpatrick> I prefer KOffice
[03:09] <_stef> hello :-)
[03:09] <Hobbsee> i liked bits of it...
[03:09] <jpatrick> lo
[03:09] <Hobbsee> hi _stef
[03:10] <_stef> I have a problem with kcontrol and samba
[03:11] <_stef> I want to add a samba user but when I add a user the apply button is not active
[03:11] <_stef> It is not possible to connect from a 2003 Server
[03:12] <_stef> There is an authentification Problem
[03:12] <_stef> Can someone help?
[03:13] <_stef> Im using th newest kde environment
[03:15] <Hobbsee> um...no clue sorry
[03:15] <_katrina> how can i view ubuntu linux users from our LAN? can i use example: \\mark ?
[03:15] <Hobbsee> nite all...
[03:15] <_stef> Okay I'll try it on the kde mailinglist
[03:16] <_katrina> how can i view ubuntu linux users from our LAN? can i use example: \\mark ?
[03:18] <katrina> how can i view ubuntu linux users from our LAN? can i use example: \\mark ?
[03:19] <ORiON> katrina: what do you mean view? as in samba shares?
[03:21] <ORiON> heh, you spam the channel and then don't reply.
[03:21] <katrina> yes.
[03:22] <katrina> i shared my flder using samba but the other computer cnt see my shared doccs
[03:23] <ORiON> should be \\WORKGROUP\sharename
[03:23] <ORiON> did you set the correct workgroup?
[03:24] <katrina> how do i set the workgroup from kde?
[03:24] <katrina> so sorry for being so newbie stupid
[03:25] <_stef> katrina: go to kcontrol > samba there you can configure all
[03:25] <ORiON> I believe you need to set it in kcontrol->Internet & Network-> Samba
[03:26] <ORiON> the workgroup needs to be the sme as whatever workgroup the windows machines are on
[03:26] <ORiON> same*
[03:27] <katrina> ok will try it
[03:27] <katrina> can i also see linux users?
[03:29] <jpatrick> yes
[03:29] <jpatrick> I don't think it has to be the same
[03:30] <nikkia> and you can *generally* tell them apart from the windows users, as it'll have 'samba server' in the machine description
[03:30] <nikkia> (i say generally, because OSX and other samba-using OSs will appear the same)
[03:31] <katrina> ok i can see them..but i also have oher users on linux but i cant see them..only windows shares
[03:32] <jpatrick> that's okay :/
[03:32] <nikkia> katrina: you'll only see linux users if they've actually configured samba :)
[03:32] <katrina> linux users are also on the same workgrp - kainos
[03:32] <katrina> u mean if they have share some files or direstories?
[03:32] <jpatrick> My brothers and sister's computer shows up as Windows server
[03:33] <nikkia> katrina: basically, yes
[03:33] <katrina> how can i see them from my pc under linux? what shall i configure in samba
[03:34] <nikkia> see who? the linux users that haven't got samba running ? that's going to be tricky, there really isn't any way to find a linux machine on the LAN unless it wants to be found :)
[03:34] <jpatrick> use fish:/ for Linux :)
[03:35] <jpatrick> configure your NetBIOS name:
[03:35] <katrina> so we all have to have the same netbios name?
[03:35] <jpatrick> no
[03:35] <jpatrick> different
[03:36] <nikkia> jpatrick: its not going to help in finding *others* unless they all configure their netbios name
[03:36] <katrina> each pc have to have a different netbios
[03:36] <nikkia> jpatrick: and the bottom line is, if the other linux machines are configured to be quiet, there will be no way, short of reconfiguring them all, to see them all
[03:36] <jpatrick> oh
[03:36] <katrina> after confg my netbios name say katrina... then they can acces me using smb://katrina ?
[03:37] <nikkia> katrina: yes
[03:37] <nikkia> katrina: but samba should use the hostname as the nmb-hostname anyway, by default
[03:37] <katrina> ok ill try now
[03:37] <jpatrick> I thought it was smb://{workgroup}/{computer}
[03:37] <nikkia> jpatrick: workgroup is optional
[03:38] <jpatrick> yeah
[03:38] <nikkia> jpatrick: you can go straight to smb://hostname/ or \\hostname on windows
[03:38] <katrina> what shall i do with the server string?
[03:44] <tigermb> is it possible to make mozilla be the default renderer of konqueror instead of khtml?
[03:46] <jpatrick> tigermb: Control Center > KDE com. > Com. Chooser
[03:47] <tigermb> renderer
[03:47] <tigermb> not default browser
[03:47] <tigermb> i want konqueror to use gecko
[03:53] <yudi> hello...
[03:53] <jpatrick> lo
[03:53] <nikkia> heh, i wonder if the debian lists are awash with moaning and hand-wringing over the linux trademark fees yet
[03:54] <nikkia> and i wonder if anyone will suggest taking it out of debian, like they did with firefox :)
[03:58] <yudi> do you know how to make shortcut to Qnext ? i already did ln -s qnext/qnext Qnext
[03:58] <yudi> but nothing happen
[03:58] <yudi> my position is same level like qnext folder
[03:59] <yudi> i can run qnext from qnext folder with command ./qnext
[03:59] <yudi> but i want make a link of qnext to my desktop area
[04:00] <yudi> please some one help me
[04:04] <bobuse> yudi: right-click on your desktop and choose "Create a new"->"Application shortcut"
[04:04] <yudi> yes i did
[04:05] <yudi> i already create a shortcut... and the command i link to qnext application
[04:05] <yudi> but when i run the shortcut... not working
[04:06] <yudi> just hour glass come out
[04:06] <yudi> and very long time
[04:06] <yudi> :(
[04:06] <bobuse> If you want to could call your app in a shell you must have a link to your app in the PATH (environment variable)
[04:07] <bobuse> Do you have given the full path to your app in the Shortcut creation dialog box ?
[04:07] <yudi> wait
[04:07] <paines_> yudi, make sure that the execution path is lying in the qnext folder
[04:08] <yudi> work path: /home/yudi/Program/qnext
[04:08] <yudi> ok its work
[04:08] <yudi> :D
[04:08] <yudi> finally
[04:08] <yudi> thanks
[04:08] <bobuse> In the dialog box, on the third tab ("Application" in french), make sure the field "Command" (the third) is correctly filled
[04:08] <bobuse> ok
[04:09] <yudi> do you know how to make qnext when minimize to the system tray?
[04:10] <yudi> it's like kopete
[04:13] <yudi> i want to install xChat is it ok to download & install the rpm version for kubuntu?
[04:13] <paines_> no
[04:13] <paines_> apt-get install xchat
[04:13] <yudi> ok
[04:15] <yudi> hehe.. i'm forget, how to use root in kubuntu
[04:15] <yudi> sudo?
[04:15] <jpatrick> yeah
[04:15] <paines_> yo
[04:16] <yudi> after i am login as root, i can use apt-get install xchat ,right?
[04:16] <paines_> sudo commd
[04:16] <paines_> command
[04:16] <sproingie> or use aptitude, it'll prompt you for root
[04:16] <bobuse> yudi: Do you have tried konversation ?
[04:17] <yudi> i did
[04:18] <sproingie> konversation would be nice if it didn't constantly crash on me
[04:18] <yudi> i'm on konversation right now
[04:18] <yudi> but i want to use xChat
[04:18] <yudi> xchat looks nice to me
[04:18] <bobuse> yudi: it's ok ;-)
[04:18] <jpatrick> xChat: eww
[04:18] <sproingie> they all look about the same to me. stable is what i like
[04:19] <yudi> ok
[04:19] <yudi> in main package
[04:19] <yudi> net
[04:19] <yudi> main
[04:19] <yudi> xchat i found it
[04:19] <nikkia> xchat was ok before they dumbed it down :/
[04:19] <sproingie> nikkia: the story of gnome
[04:19] <nikkia> sproingie: indeed, the dumbing took place with the 2.0 release
[04:20] <yudi> ok and then on xchat i press 'g'
[04:20] <nikkia> personally, i think kvirc is a better client anyway
[04:20] <nikkia> but the one in the repositories is too old
[04:21] <yudi> i need xchat to use a sharing script
[04:21] <nikkia> yudi, using other people's scripts is a bad idea
[04:22] <yudi> nope.. it's ok, i believe the script maker
[04:23] <nikkia> 'NOW 199, WAS 200'
[04:23] <nikkia> oh, the bargain! the bargain!!!
[04:23] <yudi> don't know what this aptitude doing :((
[04:23] <yudi> i already press g on xchat
[04:24] <sproingie> you have to select it first with +, then press g
[04:24] <sproingie> that'll take you to the confirmation page, where you press g again
[04:24] <sproingie> then if you're not root it asks you for your password to sudo
[04:25] <yudi> ok
[04:25] <yudi> i already choose xchat and xchat-common with +
[04:25] <yudi> and those highlited with green
[04:25] <yudi> ok... press g
[04:25] <yudi> yeahh...
[04:25] <yudi> connecting!
[04:26] <yudi> hmmm... it's hard ya, using linux without internet connection
[04:26] <yudi> imho
[04:27] <yudi> qnext is slow... grrrr
[04:27] <yudi> :)
[04:28] <yudi> but it's ok... qnext at least support LAN, YM, AIM, ICQ, MSN
[04:29] <yudi> but i still searching how to move the qnext apps from taskbar to system tray :(
[04:33] <ChaKy> last night I have installed KDE 3.4.2 from Kubuntu mirrors. And now I have login in KDE just fine. But I can not see icons in my desktop for CD-ROM, DVD-RW, Home and Computer. I only have Floppy Drive icon on desktop. What can be a problem for this?
[04:34] <ChaKy> I am usually using Ubuntu with Xfce and Gnome desktop.
[04:34] <ChaKy> but just wanted to try KDE.
[04:35] <yudi> i guess some ppl not here at the moment
[04:36] <bobuse> ChaKy: Maybe sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:37] <jpatrick> how do I share files via NFS?
[04:37] <bobuse> ChaKy: sorry, Ive read too fast ^^
[04:37] <yudi> samba?
[04:37] <bobuse> ChaKy: Even if you put a cd or dvd in your drive ?
[04:39] <sproingie> ubuntu's kde configuration is brutally minimalistic, it's like gnome that way
[04:39] <yudi> looks like ubuntu package (specially xchat) use debian package...
[04:39] <sproingie> device icons won't show up unless you have media in them
[04:40] <ChaKy> bobuse: heh, I didn't try to put CD or DVD in drive. I will try to do that now
[04:40] <sproingie> if you rightclick the desktop, select "configure desktop", select "behavior", then the "device icons" tab, you can select which ones show up
[04:40] <yudi> i didn't see any icon too in my desktop
[04:40] <ChaKy> sproingie: I have [X] chacked to show mounted and unmounted device icons
[04:41] <sproingie> not sure what the problem is then
[04:42] <pax> _yudi: you are using debian. cat /etc/debian_version
[04:42] <_yudi> don't know.. when i see installing progress from aptitude i see *.deb
[04:42] <_yudi> just a guess... ;)
[04:42] <sproingie> that's correct
[04:42] <sproingie> ubuntu is based on debian
[04:43] <_yudi> ok... :)
[04:43] <sproingie> just don't try adding third-party debian repositories like marillat
[04:43] <yudi> test
[04:43] <sproingie> it'd be like adding a suse repository on a redhat system
[04:44] <yudi> oh yeahh... X-Chat !!!
[04:44] <ChaKy> OK, I have put CD in drive, mounted it, and it show device icon. than, I unmounted and it still show icon. But when I ejected CD from drive, the icon has dissapear
[04:44] <pax> ChaKy: just the way it should be.
[04:44] <ChaKy> Is it possible to show icon all the time with and without CD in drive
[04:45] <CyberMad> test
[04:45] <ChaKy> When I used Slackware with KDE, the device icons were all the time at desktop
[04:46] <pax> add it manually.
[04:46] <jpatrick> Right click the desktop > Configure Desktop > Behaviour
[04:46] <CyberMad> does setting for NAT in kubuntu same like the others linux distro?
[04:46] <jpatrick> Then device icons
[04:47] <jpatrick> Check the ones you want
[04:47] <ChaKy> jpatrick: everythig is checked there, but there is no Icons when I remove CD from drive
[04:47] <jpatrick> :-/
[04:48] <ChaKy> strange, I know
[04:48] <CyberMad> wew,... where is KWrite in kubuntu? can't find it...
[04:48] <jpatrick> Kate, or Kedit
[04:49] <CyberMad> can't find either for Kate or Kedit :P
[04:49] <CyberMad> so it's need installation again?
[04:49] <jpatrick> should be in Utilities
[04:49] <CyberMad> upss
[04:50] <ChaKy> jpatrick: when I have icons for devices on desktop, it's a easy way to mount and unmount it with mouse. With this now, I have to open Konsole and use 'mount /media/cdrom'
[04:50] <CyberMad> ok ok found it
[04:51] <ronino> hi
[04:51] <ronino> i just installed a fresh kubuntu, but it didn't ask me for the root password, so how can i set it?
[04:51] <ronino> or what is the default one?
[04:52] <CyberMad> nothing
[04:52] <pax> ChaKy: right click the desktop > create new > link to device > chose one > edit device
[04:52] <aseigo> ronino: it's set up to use sudo
[04:52] <nikkia> chaky, iirc, slackware does it without using the 'device icons' options
[04:52] <CyberMad> it's true didn't ask u a root password
[04:52] <aseigo> ronino: so you either use sudo for everything or if you want a root passwd, you do: sudo passwd
[04:52] <CyberMad> i'm new too in kubuntu
[04:53] <nikkia> ChaKy: i think it does it by having a script that runs at each kde startup, which produces .desktop files that match the devices in /etc/fstab
[04:53] <nikkia> i ran slackware for years, and i remember being constantly annoyed at those icons to the point where eventually i tracked down the script and stopped it executing :P
[04:54] <ronino> aseigo: okay, but trying to use "sudo passwd" it asks me for the password but i haven't set one ;-)
[04:54] <jjesse> use the password of the account you created on logon
[04:54] <ChaKy> pax: thanks. I will try that.
[04:54] <jjesse> default install of ubuntu/kubuntu disables root and uses the username of the first account created
[04:55] <ChaKy> nikkia: I no idea.
[04:55] <ronino> jjesse: hehe, okay, that worked, thx, but they should tell you that during installation ;-)
[04:55] <jjesse> i thought they did
[04:55] <jjesse> i haven't reinstalled in awhile
[04:57] <ronino> hmm, now i've changed the root password, tried to start some kcontrol module in system management mode, but i can only access it with the user password, the root one's doesn't work
[04:57] <ronino> some friend of mine told me this would be a known bug, isn't it?
[04:58] <jjesse> the root account is disabled
[04:59] <ronino> jjesse: but i can login as root now after doing that "sudo passwd"
[04:59] <franz> how to enable root account ?
[04:59] <franz> me too
[04:59] <bobuse> franz: Why ?
[04:59] <nikkia> aseigo: see what you've done!
[04:59] <jjesse> why would you need to enable the root account?
[04:59] <franz> sudo passwd root
[04:59] <nikkia> aseigo: it was nice and pleasant, noone had asked about root passwords for a couple of days, and you have to go and mention it :P
[04:59] <ronino> isn't this not that secure? the user creates a user account with a weak password which is also set for the root's one
[04:59] <franz> to configure
[05:00] <bobuse> to configure what
[05:00] <bobuse> use sudo
[05:00] <franz> printer or so on
[05:00] <nikkia> ronino: how is it less secure than having a single root password that you have to give to everyone that needs to do something as root ?
[05:00] <franz> i come from Mandriva world
[05:00] <bobuse> you can too hsu "sudo -s" ;-)
[05:00] <ronino> one can do "sudo bash" to get a root shell
[05:00] <bobuse> for printer, use the kde wizard
[05:01] <franz> ok
[05:01] <tenco> i think its good that root login is disabled :)
[05:01] <aseigo> sudo su -
[05:01] <nikkia> ronino: man sudoers
[05:01] <nikkia> ronino: you can control who can do what as root with sudo, not so with su
[05:01] <ronino> nikkia: hmm, i'm not sure, this sounds like a new concept for me, i'm coming from Gentoo and installed Kubuntu for a friend of mine
[05:01] <ronino> nikkia: okay, that sounds logical
[05:02] <tenco> ronino: its different from gentoos and *bsds approach, but i like
[05:02] <tenco> it
[05:02] <franz> when i want to configure i have to write my passwd but i didnt go
[05:02] <aseigo> you also don't have to manage a separate root password (think: multiple admins)
[05:02] <bobuse> franz: to edit a file as root, type : "sudo nano /etc/..."
[05:02] <nikkia> tenco, its not THAT different, OSX is basically a BSD and it uses sudo exclusively
[05:02] <ronino> tenco: yep, once you know about the details
[05:02] <nikkia> bobuse: or just use sudo -e
[05:02] <nikkia> bobuse: which is better, since it follows vipw style approach to editing files
[05:03] <franz> i don't want to edit files
[05:03] <franz> i want to use the center of configuration
[05:03] <bobuse> franz: lol
[05:04] <ronino> so far i must tell Kubuntu looks kinda good
[05:04] <bobuse> nikkia: thx for the tip, but I'm not sure to understand what "vipw style" means
[05:04] <tenco> it also runs faster on that 400mhz celeron with 128mb ram i have around here :)
[05:05] <nikkia> bobuse: vipw copies the file to be edited, to a /tmp file, then runs vi on the tmp file, when vi exits, it copies the file back to the original location, its a safer situation when editing critical files
[05:05] <jjesse> tenco: i have noticed the same thing w/ my test box
[05:05] <nikkia> bobuse: sudo -e does the same thing... copy file to /tmp, edit tmpfile, copy tmpfile over original
[05:06] <nikkia> bobuse: because it does it that way, it also means you can use gui editors
[05:06] <bobuse> franz: there isn't drakconf on (k)ubuntu. But you have the tools of the desktop manager (here KDE) and your favorite editor (nano, vi ...)
[05:06] <nikkia> since the edit process never runs AS root, it just has root read/write access to the original file
[05:07] <franz> i use /home/franz/.kde/share/apps/kicker
[05:07] <bobuse> nikkia: Ha yes. Thx a lot ! With GUI editors I'd problems ... now I know why !
[05:07] <nikkia> bobuse: also, sudo -e can be granted to a user without granting them permission to run an editor or shell as root
[05:09] <nikkia> (you can also control WHICH files a user can edit via sudo, whereas if you grant permission to run a shell, or a specific editor, as root, then they can edit any file)
[05:09] <nikkia> which is very useful if your mail admin, or web admin, is not your system admin
[05:09] <franz> I can't install kubuntu without having kernel panic. Is there anyboby who know this problem?
[05:11] <jpatrick> okay that's weird
[05:18] <dech> Hi, would anyone be able to tell me the alternative to gedit for kubuntu ?
[05:18] <paines_> kate
[05:18] <paines_> emacs
[05:18] <paines_> vi
[05:18] <paines_> vim
[05:18] <paines_> qemacs
[05:18] <dech> heh, thanks, i should word this more carefully :P "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" replace with ?
[05:19] <CyberMad> wooowww amarok!!!
[05:19] <CyberMad> it's like iTunes!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:19] <CyberMad> :))
[05:19] <nikkia> qemacs? now there is an abortion of an editor :)
[05:20] <nikkia> dech: 'EDITOR=gedit sudo -e /etc/apt/sources.list'
[05:20] <nikkia> dech: and for future use, you might want to put 'export EDITOR=gedit' in your .bash_profile or .bashrc
[05:20] <dech> thanks :)
[05:20] <CyberMad> how to hide apps from the taskbar.. those disturbing me because too many :(
[05:21] <nikkia> (you can also use the variable VISUAL, i don't think there is any significant difference between the two variables, other than history, VISUAL was used in the early days to tell the system what to use instead of vi
[05:21] <dech> Thanks
[05:22] <nikkia> there is also a pseudonym for 'sudo -e' called 'sudoedit' but it seems ultimately pointless other than being slightly faster to TAB complete :)
[05:27] <CyberMad> do you know remote application from linux to windows?
[05:28] <CyberMad> so i can control my windows desktop (other computer) from this linux?
[05:28] <jjesse> setup vnc on the windows box and use vnc n the linux box
[05:28] <tenco> is it normal that kopete cant handle LAN adresses?
[05:29] <nikkia> CyberMad: install vnc on windows, or install rdesktop on linux (if the windows is XP)
[05:29] <nikkia> either way works fine, although rdesktop fairs better with DX apps, but will log out the current user from the console (if the current user is an administrator and the rdesktop user is an administrator - if neither are admin, it doesn't log out the console user)
[05:30] <CyberMad> tenco use qnext :)
[05:30] <CyberMad> kopete i think can't handle LAN
[05:30] <tenco> which paket should i install if kopete complains about a lacking QCA-TLS-module?
[05:30] <CyberMad> this day is my first use of qnext :) and it's work work in LAN and multiplatform :)
[05:32] <CyberMad> nikkia, i will install rdesktop... hmm... checking aptitude for rdesktop
[05:33] <nikkia> it should be in there
[05:33] <nikkia> once you have it installed, you can actually use the KDE front end to it...
[05:33] <tenco> CyberMad: ok, i will try
[05:33] <nikkia> 'krdc' which can use vnc or rdesktop to talk to a remote desktop
[05:34] <tenco> CyberMad: i cant find it
[05:34] <dech> Hmm, apt0-get freezes at Connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com (1.0.0.0)] [Connecting to security.ubuntu.com (1.0.0.0)]
[05:34] <CyberMad> tenco, qnext ?
[05:34] <CyberMad> download it from the qnext website...
[05:34] <dech> i cant blame it though when it thinks the ips are all 1.0.0.0
[05:35] <nikkia> dech, heh, you have an actiontec modem don't you ?
[05:35] <nikkia> (or some other busybox based modem that has the bugged dns proxy)
[05:35] <dech> nikkia, :P nope i have an aztec dsl router with inbuilt modem, (cheap crappy brand)
[05:35] <nikkia> dech, your modem is probably running linux!
[05:35] <CyberMad> test
[05:36] <dech> in fedora i just pointed my dns to my isp's dns instead of to my router :P
[05:36] <nikkia> dech, anyway, you need to take the modem out of the resolv.conf list of nameservers, because its running the buggy busybox DNS proxy
[05:36] <nikkia> dech, yeah, thats what i have to do - my actiontec modem does the same, reports 1.0.0.0 for everything
[05:36] <nikkia> well, except that i run a caching DNS server on my PC now
[05:36] <dech> heh im surprised normal web/konversation works :P
[05:37] <nikkia> dech, want to know why ?
[05:37] <dech> ok so edit my resolv.conf to point to my isps dns instead of my router ?
[05:37] <dech> Yep :)
[05:37] <nikkia> dech, 1.0.0.0 is actually the 'right' value for the modem to respond....
[05:37] <CyberMad> test
[05:37] <nikkia> because the busybox does transparent http proxying
[05:38] <dech> ahh :)
[05:38] <nikkia> what its doing, is sending back 1.0.0.0 and then rewriting any packet that shows up as 1.0.0.0, and at the same time, offering popup blocking and so on, based on the web site
[05:38] <jpatrick> :/
[05:38] <nikkia> but, unfortunately, reporting 1.0.0.0 breaks some things - but not most web browsers
[05:38] <dech> but im gussing apt-get doesnt like that ? :P
[05:38] <jpatrick> nikkia do you know any good ruby book sites?
[05:38] <nikkia> dech, exactly
[05:38] <CyberMad> ugh... curious how to change my xchat color nickname... it's gray here and sometime i can't see it
[05:38] <nikkia> jpatrick, www.rubycentral.com ?
[05:38] <sproingie> CyberMad: there's an #xchat
[05:39] <jpatrick> been there
[05:39] <CyberMad> test
[05:39] <nikkia> dech, anyway, try telnetting to your modem's IP, you'll probably find you have a tiny little linux machine there :)
[05:39] <CellarDoor> I installed UT2004 on my PC tonight... Kubuntu is the first distro on which it has installed flawlessly. Good stuff !
[05:39] <dech> hmm, any way to telnet from bash, or download putty ? :P
[05:39] <hussam> I can't mount floppy drives in Kubuntu, how do I do that?
[05:40] <dech> im pretty nooby with linux :D
[05:40] <nikkia> dech, 'telnet'
[05:40] <dech> heh
[05:40] <dech> i cant belive i asked instead of trying that
[05:41] <dech> rofl you are right :D
[05:41] <dech> BusyBox on mygateway login:
[05:41] <nikkia> dech, yep, login, and do a uname -a :)
[05:41] <nikkia> erk, sorry
[05:41] <nikkia> uname isn't installed on busybox modems :/
[05:41] <CellarDoor> hussam, have you tried clicking on the System icon next to the Kmenu and choosing "Storage Media" ? It should appear in there. If you click on it, it should mount it for you.
[05:42] <nikkia> dech, do cat /proc/version once you're logged in
[05:42] <nikkia> dech, its probably 2.4.17 or so kernel
[05:42] <dech> :O i dunno my username/pass apprently
[05:42] <hussam> CellarDoor: could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified
[05:42] <nikkia> dech, should be the same as you use for the web interface to the modem
[05:42] <dech> hang on ill check i typed it right
[05:42] <tenco> CyberMad: sorry, i only install through apt-get
[05:43] <dech> yeah im checking my web interface to see if its admin r administrator i never had to type the username before :P
[05:43] <nikkia> admin
[05:43] <CellarDoor> hussam: hmm thats interesting... afraid I can't be much more help than that as I'm a bit of a n00b myself... I don't have a floppy drive either :P
[05:43] <dech> yep admin
[05:43] <dech> hmm
[05:44] <dech> nope :(
[05:44] <dech> got admin/mypass
[05:44] <dech> login incorrect
[05:44] <CellarDoor> hussam: is it a windows disk or something else ?
[05:44] <nikkia> dech, strange, and that password works on the web gateway ?
[05:44] <dech> sure does
[05:44] <dech> just tried it
[05:44] <nikkia> how odd
[05:44] <hussam> CellarDoor: it has files I saved on a windows machine at work
[05:44] <dech> Hmm
[05:45] <nikkia> dech, maybe on yours when you changed the web password it didn't change the admin password on the telnet interface too ?
[05:46] <dech> hmm no i just tried admin/admin (the factory defaults) and it was incorrect
[05:46] <nikkia> dech, try root/mypass
[05:46] <nikkia> or root/admin
[05:46] <nikkia> but it might be that aztec do something evil with the passwords for busybox :(
[05:47] <dech> Hmm i think so
[05:47] <dech> cause they were both incorrect too :P
[05:47] <nikkia> dech, actiontec do at least change the telnet password too, but i've yet to find a way to modify files on the flash drive
[05:47] <chx> I am trying to compile a package from SF and I get: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGsGtk and I have no luck find that library anywhere. Ideas?
[05:48] <nikkia> dech, so there's not much i can do from the linux prompt, and what i do do, goes away on reboot
[05:48] <dech> :D
[05:48] <dech> heh
[05:48] <dech> im thinking about buying a new router anyway, probly some sort of wireless setup, but im insecure about wireless for some reason :P
[05:49] <CellarDoor> Does anyone know about reading windows floppies ? Ive never used Samba or anything. I think hussam should be able to get at the files on his floppy... could someone perhaps edumacate us a bit ?
[05:50] <dech> hmm so, what should i do about getting apt working ?
[05:50] <nikkia> dech, remove your modem's IP from /etc/resolv.conf, and use your ISP's DNS settings
[05:50] <dech> oh yeah thats right
[05:50] <dech> sorry, i havent been awake long :P
[05:51] <nikkia> i've been awake for what seems like forever :/
[05:51] <dech> Heh its 1:52 am where i am
[05:52] <dech> i only woke up not long ago :D
[05:52] <dech> went to bed at 2pm
[05:52] <hussam> CellarDoor: I'll try editing /etc/fstab and changing auto to vfat . I'll then reboot and recheck
[05:52] <hussam> brb
[05:53] <dech> woah i just noticed my clock in kubuntus time is wrong, after i set it before i went to bed and shut down :(
[05:53] <dech> guess the "synching time with ntp.ubunutu.org failed" msg just before boot up DOES mean something
[05:54] <dech> nikkia should i set both my isps dns in resilv.conf, and if so just make two nameserver lines ?
[05:54] <nikkia> its up to you
[05:55] <nikkia> as long as the first one is working, it doesn't matter about the second
[05:55] <nikkia> libc just tries the first, and if it gets no response, goes onto the next
[05:55] <dech> hmm well, i guess one is good enough, they shouldnt ever have one down :P without both at least
[05:56] <dech> hmm ok, so do i have to restart my network device ?
[05:56] <nikkia> no
[05:56] <nikkia> it should 'just work', although i've found that libc doesn't always notice changes to resolv.conf straight away
[05:56] <dech> ok here goes a 'sudo apt-get update' :P
[05:57] <dech> :D wahey results
[05:57] <dech> nikkia thanks :)
[05:58] <CellarDoor> dech, now do 'sudo apt-get upgrade' ;)
[05:58] <CellarDoor> I love apt
[05:58] <CellarDoor> so cool
[05:58] <dech> :D
[05:58] <dech> i love kynaptic as well :P
[05:58] <CellarDoor> yeah
[06:00] <CellarDoor> I like kpackage as it give more info on packages, but I dunno how to make it work... I can view packages n stuff without having to enter my password when it starts up, but if I wan't to install something it asks for root password and wont accept my sudo password.
[06:04] <nikkia> dech: btw, a thought, try 'admin' and just hit enter for the password
[06:05] <dech> nikkia hey yeah :D will do
[06:05] <dech> aww nope :(
[06:06] <dech> Hehe yay
[06:06] <dech> on the page that shows my isps dns servers they had an ntp server too
[06:06] <dech> so now my time is correct automatically :)
[06:08] <dech> heh wow 75mb for azureus
[06:08] <dech> well, to be fair 69mb for j2se :P
[06:29] <CyberMad> hello... how to activate terminal server on windows? because i want connect rdesktop (linux) to windows...
[06:29] <CyberMad> rdesktop is already installed and running
[06:29] <jjesse> what version of windows?
[06:29] <CyberMad> xp
[06:30] <jjesse> then you need to allow remote administration of the desktop....
[06:30] <CyberMad> is it ok between pro and home?, because i will move from pro to home
[06:30] <jjesse> right lcick on my computer and then properties and then remote administration should help you out
[06:30] <CyberMad> ok.. wait
[06:31] <CyberMad> ok looks like i must choose the user to allow
[06:32] <jjesse> correct
[06:32] <CyberMad> i choose Administrator
[06:32] <CyberMad> wait..
[06:32] <jjesse> once you enable that you are going to connect via rdesktop and use that username password to conenct to the xp box
[06:33] <beniamino_> i'm getting random freezes using SMP kernels on a dual xeons machine using hoary... any advice?
[06:33] <CyberMad> looks like worked :)
[06:34] <CyberMad> but i must disconnect user that already login to XP
[06:34] <jjesse> correct
[06:34] <jjesse> win 2k server and win 2k3 server allow for up to two concurrent conenctions via terminal services adminstration mode
[06:35] <jjesse> if you want to keep the current user logged inot the xp box use vnc
[06:35] <CyberMad> is there anyway to not do disconnect?
[06:35] <jjesse> setup one as server other as remote
[06:35] <CyberMad> ok
[06:35] <CyberMad> what vnc software for windows do you recommend?
[06:36] <jjesse> i use real vnc at work
[06:36] <CyberMad> the name is "Real VNC" ?
[06:36] <CyberMad> ok.. i google it
[06:37] <CyberMad> ok found it :)
[06:39] <tgny> i installed ubuntu yesterday. after installing the base system i went to install the binary ati drivers via apt-get however the version that was installed with this was too old for my chipset. i then downloaded the newest drivers from ati and installed them. i have those new drivers installed and working with 2d but cannot get dri to work. the X log files complain about the kernel module not matching with the driver version
[06:39] <CyberMad> dude.. is it ok take the free version.. bcos looks like many function not supported, or there is hehehe ***** version?
[06:40] <jjesse> i just use the free version
[06:40] <CyberMad> ok... then i go for it
[06:41] <CyberMad> do you have much time in this channel jjesse
[06:42] <CyberMad> or maybe you have an IM ? if you don't have much time in this channel... if just i don't bother u
[06:43] <tgny> what do i need to do to install a different gtk theme for my gnome apps?
[06:44] <tgny> is there a GUI for installing new packages? or is it only apt-get via the command line?
[06:45] <jjesse> kynaptic
[06:45] <dech> Ok, :P so now my monitor decides to go perma standy while playing frozen bubble :D
[06:46] <CyberMad> jjesse, kynaptic?
[06:47] <dech> Hmm how can i find out if my ati drivers are installed ?
[06:49] <tgny> ok i found kynaptic and i want to install the gtk2-engines-clearlooks .. how do i switch to use it after its installed?
[06:49] <CyberMad> System -> Info Center?
[06:50] <tgny> well my ati drivers are installed but my dri isnt working :)
[06:51] <dech> hey i have an old ati radeon 9200se pci card :D
[06:51] <dech> hmm i guess one good way to find out would be to install enemy territory :D
[06:52] <tgny> or glxinfo
[06:53] <dech> yeah that would be much easier :)
[06:53] <dech> thanks tgny
[06:54] <tgny> anytime ;)
[06:54] <dech> eh now, if i could just understand what it showed me :D
[06:56] <dech> care to take a look in a priv window ? :P pasting it here would be quite spammery
[06:56] <tgny> tgnb@boh:~$ glxinfo | grep direct
[06:56] <tgny> direct rendering: No
[06:56] <tgny> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[06:56] <tgny> do that command .. it will tell you if dri is working or not
[06:57] <tgny> in my case its not
[06:57] <tgny> :)
[06:57] <dech> hehe k :)
[06:58] <E0x> morning
[06:58] <jjesse> morning E0x
[06:58] <tgny> GM
[06:58] <E0x> the kubuntu cd live dont have a memtest boot ?
[07:03] <dech> ok
[07:03] <dech> thats not good :(
[07:04] <tenco> hi
[07:04] <tenco> how can i get the userlist in kdm back?
[07:04] <dech> just before i got to do glxinfo | grep direct
[07:04] <dech> my monitor went into perma standby again so i tried switching monitors and the other one has an erro msg "out the range (numbers here)"
[07:05] <tgny> hmmm
[07:05] <dech> on a plus note i do have direct rendering :P
[07:06] <dech> the perma standby thing didnt happen before, but it started while i was playing frozen bubble >_<
[07:07] <mornfall> heya, is it possible to debootstrap kubuntu?
[07:07] <mornfall> how? :)
[07:07] <mornfall> (i need a chroot for testing)
[07:09] <mornfall> (your upcoming package manager, too ;-))
[07:09] <tenco> how can i get the userlist in kdm back?
[07:10] <tenco> "display list" in kcontrol is enabled
[07:10] <mornfall> (cf. http://web.ekhis.org/adept.html)
[07:16] <tenco> how can i get the userlist in kdm back?
[07:18] <CyberMad> jjesse, i allready install the real VNC in windows
[07:19] <CyberMad> do i must disable the remote desktop?
[07:20] <CyberMad> i don't think so...
[07:20] <CyberMad> hmmm
[07:20] <tgny> how can i switch to a different gtk2 theme for my gnome apps in kde?
[07:20] <tgny> is there no tool to do that with in kubuntu?
[07:23] <CyberMad> i think i must install xvncviewer...
[07:23] <CyberMad> jjesse, are you there?
[07:24] <morta> Hi, vielleicht kann mir hier einer helfen: Mein Problem: Ich habe meine WLAN Karte mit ndiswrapper geladen. Iwlist wlan0 scanning findet mein Offenes Wifi Netz. Wenn ich nun die Einstellungen per iwconfig wlan0 ESSID meineSSID setzen will, bekomme ich keinen Fehler, aber die Einstellungen werden nicht bernommen.
[07:25] <morta> hier kann keiner deutsch nicht, ok translation in 2 min
[07:26] <morta> my problem: I setup my WLAN card and loaded the drivers with ndiswrapper. iwlist wlan0 scanning is showing my open network, but if I try to set up the settings with iwconfig wlan0 ESSID mySSID it won
[07:26] <morta> 't work
[07:26] <tenco> morta: you can also use #ubuntu-de
[07:26] <morta> no error, simply no effect
[07:27] <morta> oh :-) thx, but does anyone has an Idea for that problem ?
[07:28] <seaLne> does iwconfig wlan0 essid mySSID work?
[07:28] <morta> lol kubuntu-de / ubuntu-de are both empty
[07:28] <CyberMad> jjesse, are you there?
[07:28] <CyberMad> i need help
[07:28] <morta> iwconfig ... doesn't work
[07:28] <CyberMad> about connect vncviewer in linux to real vnc in windows
[07:29] <seaLne> essid in lowercase
[07:29] <morta> nope no effect
[07:29] <morta> now triing fpr 3 hours
[07:30] <seaLne> can kwifimanager see it?
[07:30] <morta> I think some settings blocks my set up
[07:30] <morta> jep
[07:30] <morta> yes Wifimanager shows my SSID
[07:30] <seaLne> weird
[07:30] <morta> but cant connect
[07:30] <seaLne> is it restricted in anyway like mac address?
[07:31] <morta> iwconfig -> ESSID:of/any
[07:31] <morta> yes
[07:31] <CyberMad> jjesse, are you there?
[07:31] <morta> but I put it on the list
[07:31] <dech> Hmm, although editing my resolv.conf to point to my isp's dns server instead of router enables apt-get to connect, my resolv.conf gets reset on ever bootup :(
[07:32] <seaLne> dech: there is an option to dhcp not to
[07:32] <dech> How do i cahnge it ?
[07:32] <morta> the Card perfectly works under WinXp
[07:32] <seaLne> dech: look at /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[07:32] <dech> thanks
[07:33] <seaLne> dech: try either "prepend domain-name-servers 1.2.3.4;" or removing domain-name-servers from the list below that
[07:35] <dech> i was about to ask
[07:35] <dech> remove domain-name-servers from
[07:35] <dech> request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, time-offset, routers,
[07:35] <dech> domain-name, domain-name-servers, host-name,
[07:35] <dech> netbios-name-servers, netbios-scope;
[07:35] <dech> ? :P
[07:35] <nikkia> dech, yes
[07:35] <seaLne> yeah
[07:35] <dech> thanks :D
[07:35] <seaLne> not done it in years so can't quite rember
[07:35] <seaLne> then just /etc/init.d/networking restart
[07:37] <bz0b> can someone please tell me where to get some better repos
[07:37] <CyberMad> does anyone know how to use VNC ?
[07:38] <bz0b> I need xchat, gaim, firefox, and someother stuff that kubuntu just doesnt have
[07:38] <bz0b> CyberMad: yeah
[07:38] <CyberMad> i already install "Real VNC" in windows
[07:38] <CyberMad> i already install "Real VNC" in windows xp
[07:38] <bz0b> ok
[07:38] <seaLne> CyberMad: have you uncomented the other ones in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[07:38] <CyberMad> and install xvncviewer to linux
[07:38] <bz0b> nope
[07:38] <seaLne> bz0b: ^ not CyberMad
[07:38] <CyberMad> seaLne, looks like i don't
[07:38] <CyberMad> ok wait
[07:39] <seaLne> CyberMad: i wouldn't have thought it should matter much which client you used as they are all roughly the sam apart from a few extra features
[07:39] <CyberMad> which one to uncomment?
[07:40] <seaLne> CyberMad: the /etc/apt/sources.list was aimed at bz0b sorry
[07:40] <bz0b> yeah
[07:40] <bz0b> I just freshly installed kubuntu
[07:40] <bz0b> and am trying to get some good sources
[07:40] <CyberMad> i can do remote desktop... but i want to connect more than 2 client, that's why i use vnc
[07:40] <bz0b> and a few packages
[07:40] <bz0b> I see
[07:40] <bz0b> well
[07:40] <CyberMad> but i'm stuck on this
[07:41] <bz0b> go into terminal and type vncviewer
[07:41] <bz0b> or do you want to setup a vncserver on your box?
[07:41] <bz0b> m
[07:41] <CyberMad> yes i did
[07:41] <CyberMad> and there is box
[07:41] <bz0b> and is it configured correctly?
[07:41] <CyberMad> VNC Server :
[07:42] <CyberMad> i type my vnc server ip
[07:42] <CyberMad> 192.168.1.1
[07:42] <mornfall> CyberMad: windows with multiple clients will behave still like a single desktop - one pointer etc
[07:42] <CyberMad> and it's like no respon
[07:42] <mornfall> (if it will work at all)
[07:42] <CyberMad> no problem mornfall
[07:42] <bz0b> brb
[07:43] <mornfall> okies then :)
[07:43] <CyberMad> i just need to control my xp using one monitor
[07:44] <CyberMad> any help?
[07:45] <dech> well, i guess that didnt work :D
[07:45] <dech> just made all network type things not work :D
[07:45] <dech> till i reverted the change to the conf and rebooted pc (restarting network didnt work)
[07:47] <CyberMad> jjesse, are you there?
[07:47] <seaLne> mornfall: i take it you've worked out by now debootstrap?
[07:47] <bz0b> Im back
[07:47] <CyberMad> looks like jjesse expert on vnc
[07:48] <CyberMad> bz0b, any help?
[07:49] <bz0b> huh?
[07:51] <CyberMad> vnc
[07:52] <bz0b> ok
[07:52] <bz0b> so are you looking to set it up?
[07:52] <CyberMad> yes..
[07:53] <CyberMad> :(
[07:57] <dech> hmm how do i install the java plugin for firefox, ? i used kynaptic to get firefox and i have j2re1.5
[07:58] <mornfall> seaLne: why?
[07:59] <seaLne> just incase you hadn't
[07:59] <mornfall> seaLne: i am debootstrapping debian casually :)
[07:59] <seaLne> k
[07:59] <mornfall> i just need the kubuntu script or whatever
[07:59] <mornfall> i guess
[08:00] <seaLne> just debootstrap <dist> <localdir> http:/my.mirror/path ?
[08:03] <mornfall> seaLne: yeah, and dist would be what? sarge? sid? ;-)
[08:03] <seaLne> yep
[08:03] <seaLne> sarge :)
[08:04] <mornfall> eh, and then dist-upgrade to kubuntu?
[08:04] <mornfall> that's evil
[08:04] <seaLne> kubuntu is ubuntu not debian...
[08:04] <mornfall> seaLne: so what?
[08:04] <mornfall> it should allow debootsrapping
[08:05] <seaLne> "< mornfall> eh, and then dist-upgrade to kubuntu?" implied changing debian to ubuntu to me sorry if i misunderstood
[08:06] <mornfall> seaLne: well, i debootstrap sarge yes... and how i get kubuntu from that?
[08:06] <npfet> seaLne: so what if it is debian -> kubuntu?
[08:06] <seaLne> npfet: it would be weird
[08:06] <seaLne> why not just bootstrap ubuntu in the first place
[08:06] <mornfall> seaLne: hmm, i was asking how to debootstrap kubuntu
[08:07] <seaLne> on an (k)ubuntu machine or a debian machine?
[08:07] <npfet> mornfall: hehe uhm... i'm not real familiar with debootstrap but..
[08:07] <seaLne> debootstrap breezy ./kubuntu/ http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[08:07] <mornfall> seaLne: and you said debootstrap sarge
[08:07] <mornfall> so i'm debootstrapping sarge now :P
[08:07] <npfet> mornfall: you just want the apt sources lines or?
[08:07] <mornfall> (note: i refuse to deal with anything that looks like an iso file from distance)
[08:07] <mornfall> debian machine, of course
[08:08] <seaLne> the above should work
[08:08] <mornfall> npfet: no, i need a debootstrap script
[08:08] <seaLne> just apt-get install debootstrap ?
[08:08] <mornfall> seaLne: there is no breezy script in debian
[08:08] <seaLne> ah doh
[08:08] <mornfall> ye gods
[08:08] <mornfall> all i want is url for the script :p
[08:09] <dech> how do i install java plugin for firefox ? i used kynaptic to get firefox + j2se1.5
[08:09] <seaLne> yes i've worked that out now :(
[08:09] <dech> (seperately)
[08:09] <dech> j2re1.5 sorry
[08:10] <CyberMad> ahhhhhh
[08:10] <CyberMad> vnc is running at the last moment :D
[08:10] <seaLne> mornfall: www2.duffus.org/tmp/breezy
[08:11] <npfet> btw anybody here have wrist problems?
[08:11] <mornfall> seaLne: running, thx
[08:11] <seaLne> np, sorry i got confused
[08:16] <[Surge] > !repos
[08:16] <ubotu> I guess repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[08:21] <[Surge] > What does "Hit" mean when updating the sources?
[08:22] <seaLne> thats the files it got
[08:23] <[Surge] > You mean those headers are already in the cache?
[08:24] <seaLne> thats it downloading the package details
[08:24] <[Surge] > Oh
[08:24] <[Surge] > I suppose Ign = Ignore
[08:25] <[Surge] > And Get = get :)
[08:26] <seaLne> i think get is about to download and hit is downloaded and processed
[08:27] <dech> Could anyone tell me how to install the java plugin for firefox, i got firefox and j2re1.5 both from kynaptic
[08:27] <[Surge] > Oh ok thank
[08:27] <[Surge] > s
[08:28] <[Surge] > dech: They should just work
[08:28] <[Surge] > At least they did on my PC
[08:29] <dech> Unfortunately it doesnt :(
[08:29] <dech> I tried a java enabled webpage, and firefox told me to install the plugin, and sent me to java web, which told me the plugin wasnt installed
[08:30] <dech> told me how to install it as well, by creating a symlink in the plgings folder of where firefox is installed to a pluginw here java is installed
[08:30] <dech> only prob is i know hwere neither are isntalled ^_^
[08:31] <[Surge] > Which is not a problem since you can uninstall them via kynaptic
[08:31] <[Surge] > Did you read the FAQ?
[08:32] <dech> Why bother uninstalling them, just to reinstall them, (not to mention redownload them)
[08:32] <dech> when i could ask politely where they are installed by default ?
[08:35] <[Surge] > Use synaptic
[08:35] <[Surge] > It allows you so see where stuff is installed
[08:35] <dech> ..it...does ?
[08:35] <[Surge] > Yeah it's more powerful than kynaptic
[08:36] <dech> oh :D hehi read synaptic as kynaptic then
[08:36] <dech> ok thanks :)
[08:37] <Velox> <3 Synaptic
[08:37] <[Surge] > In synaptic - right click, properties, under one of the tabs (think it's "provides")
[08:38] <[Surge] > Gives you a list of installed files and a list of dependencies
[08:38] <dech> :) thanks
[08:38] <dech> So much nicer tha fedora
[08:38] <dech> than*
[08:39] <dech> once i got my audigy working at least ^_^
[08:39] <[Surge] > dech: http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[08:39] <dech> did that :D
[08:39] <dech> no worky
[08:40] <dech> so i thought id try suns way of making teh symlink
[08:42] <bz0b> does kubuntu set any firewalls when you first install?
[08:42] <jpatrick> no
[08:43] <dech> well
[08:44] <dech> this is unexpected
[08:44] <dech> dech@box:/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins$ ls
[08:44] <dech> flashplayer.xpt libflashplayer.so libjavaplugin.so
[08:44] <CyberMad> how to use sudo passwd?
[08:44] <[Surge] > Installed
[08:44] <dech> but not working :(
[08:44] <[Surge] > sudo passwd <username>
[08:44] <[Surge] > dech: That sounds strange
[08:45] <CyberMad> ok i already did sudo passwd root
[08:45] <CyberMad> now... how to login to root
[08:45] <dech> sure does
[08:45] <[Surge] > su -
[08:45] <CyberMad> i want to use apt-get install crossover
[08:45] <[Surge] > su = switch user
[08:45] <_rolando> holas
[08:45] <[Surge] > Oh
[08:45] <apokryphos> CyberMad: you don't need to have root for that
[08:45] <_rolando> do u know how can i have nested menus?
[08:45] <[Surge] > Then sudo apt-get install crossover
[08:45] <apokryphos> CyberMad: just prefix commands with "sudo" or use "sudo -s"
[08:46] <CyberMad> ow thanks
[08:46] <dech> They way i tested java in firefox was by seeing if it could run an old browser based java mmorpg i played years ago (www.runescape.com) which told me to install java plugin for firefox and sent me to java site, which also told me java was not enabled for my browser and to do so make the symlink
[08:46] <[Surge] > CyberMad: sudo just runs commands as root user without having to log in as root
[08:46] <CyberMad> yudi@earth:/usr/bin$ sudo apt-get install crossover
[08:46] <CyberMad> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[08:46] <CyberMad> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[08:46] <apokryphos> dech: that would work of course; I always use javaonthebrain.com 8)
[08:47] <CyberMad> [Surge] , is it danger if someone get connected to my linux box and run sudo?
[08:47] <[Surge] > CyberMad: You have shut down Synaptic/Kynaptic and all apt progs?
[08:47] <_rolando> do u know what im talking about?
[08:47] <dech> :D but my java is apparently installed :P
[08:47] <dech> just not working in firefox
[08:47] <[Surge] > CyberMad: Nope because you still have to enter a password
[08:47] <CyberMad> [Surge] , i don't think so have shut down them
[08:48] <[Surge] > You did stick "sudo" on front?
[08:48] <[Surge] > "sudo apt-get install crossover"
[08:48] <[Surge] > One line
[08:48] <CyberMad> using ps -ax and kill id to shut down synaptic/kynaptic?
[08:48] <_rolando> u need a symbolic link
[08:49] <dech> dech@box:/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins$ ls
[08:49] <dech> flashplayer.xpt libflashplayer.so libjavaplugin.so
[08:49] <[Surge] > dech : ls -l
[08:49] <CyberMad> i already type sudo apt-get install crossover
[08:50] <dech> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 39 2005-08-20 02:27 libjavaplugin.so -> /etc/alternative s/firefox-javaplugin.so
[08:50] <[Surge] > Ah
[08:50] <dech> the others were there but i didnt think it needed to paste their infos
[08:51] <[Surge] > Have you checked that "/etc/alternatives/firefox-javaplugin.so" exists?
[08:51] <[Surge] > It could be a symlink to another place
[08:51] <dech> though in ls it shows the other twos names in aqau and javaplugins in red
[08:51] <dech> if that means anything
[08:51] <[Surge] > Hehe
[08:51] <[Surge] > That means the links are broken
[08:51] <dech> :O
[08:51] <dech> *smacks his head*
[08:51] <[Surge] > i.e. The targets don't exist
[08:52] <dech> sorry for wasting teh time then
[08:52] <dech> heh i shoulda said that earlier
[08:52] <trograin> My brother is using Ubuntu base package on his server...he wants to make multiple Hardrives to look like 1 partition, how does he do it?
[08:52] <Hamster> are there any knowledgable Kate people around?
[08:52] <[Surge] > I know Kate - she's a really nice chick!
[08:52] <trograin> is it LVM that he should be using?
[08:52] <Hamster> [Surge] : har.
[08:53] <trograin> and if so, how?
[08:53] <CyberMad> there is -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 561848 2005-03-25 19:38 kynaptic
[08:53] <CyberMad> i already did kill 561848
[08:54] <CyberMad> but system said there is no process
[08:54] <[Surge] > kill -9 561848
[08:54] <dech> Wow doing ls -l in /etc/alternatives/ showed alot of red names
[08:54] <CyberMad> i'm forget about process killin
[08:54] <CyberMad> ok
[08:54] <[Surge] > -9 = die you mother *******
[08:54] <tgnx> anyone know how i can switch gtk2 themes in kde for my gnome apps?
[08:55] <apokryphos> Hamster: no point asking to ask :P
[08:55] <CyberMad> err
[08:55] <CyberMad> error dude
[08:55] <CyberMad> yudi@earth:/usr/bin$ kill -9 561848
[08:55] <CyberMad> bash: kill: (561848) - No such process
[08:55] <CyberMad> i already look ls -l
[08:55] <CyberMad> and the pid is correct
[08:55] <trograin> restart system, soudns liek a glitch :D hehehe :D
[08:56] <apokryphos> CyberMad: root shouldn't own it
[08:56] <dech> AHA /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so instead of /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[08:56] <apokryphos> oh wait, that's not libflashplayer
[08:56] <CyberMad> err
[08:57] <apokryphos> CyberMad: how did you install java?
[08:57] <[Surge] > dech: You installed the SDK and not the JRE?
[08:57] <dech> ok how do i edit a symlink ? ^_^
[08:57] <dech> i got both
[08:57] <dech> but mozilla was pointing to the sdk
[08:57] <[Surge] > Ah ... no wonder it doesn't just work
[08:57] <dech> (sdk was automatically installed by something else)
[08:57] <[Surge] > To remove a link "rm"
[08:58] <dech> rm then file name ?
[08:58] <[Surge] > Yes
[08:58] <CyberMad> apokryphos, i never install java on linux before
[08:58] <[Surge] > To create a new symlink : "ln -s <target> <name of link>
[08:58] <CyberMad> :P
[08:58] <apokryphos> CyberMad: darn it, wrong person sorry.
[08:58] <bz0b> has anyone gotten wireless to work on kubuntu yeT
[08:58] <apokryphos> dech: you can just get the java pack from hoary-extras -- it does all the necessary stuff
[08:59] <CyberMad> hehe... how to kill this process :((
[08:59] <apokryphos> CyberMad: what process?
[08:59] <[Surge] > CyberMad: How did you list the processes?
[08:59] <[Surge] > ps -ef ?
[08:59] <apokryphos> CyberMad: killall <processname>
[08:59] <CyberMad> ls -l
[08:59] <[Surge] > lol
[08:59] <[Surge] > ls = list files
[08:59] <apokryphos> ls -l doesn't list processes :)
[08:59] <bz0b> I have a d-link DWL G630 rev c.1 how do I install wireless on that
[08:59] <CyberMad> damn
[08:59] <CyberMad> forget
[08:59] <[Surge] > Do a "ps -ef"
[08:59] <CyberMad> ps
[08:59] <bz0b> I know that whax, another distro has got it
[09:00] <[Surge] > Then get the PID and kill that
[09:00] <[Surge] > Or a "killall <name of process>
[09:01] <[Surge] > i.e. : killall kynaptic
[09:01] <CyberMad> ok
[09:01] <elvirolo> hi all
[09:02] <dech> [Surge] WOot it works :D thanks
[09:02] <elvirolo> is there a way to get rid of kwallet ? it keeps asking me if i'd like it to store my passwords, which i don't
[09:02] <CyberMad> ok.. both synaptic: no process killed either kynaptic
[09:03] <CyberMad> i still can't do sudo apt-get install crossover
[09:04] <[Surge] > Does it ask you for a password?
[09:04] <[Surge] > Sounds strange
[09:04] <CyberMad> nope
[09:04] <[Surge] > Hmmm ... did you do a normal install?
[09:04] <CyberMad> should i do killall yes_them_all_dude ? :)
[09:04] <[Surge] > Or an expert install?
[09:04] <apokryphos> CyberMad: do you have an extra repo for it or something?
[09:05] <CyberMad> kubuntu installation?
[09:05] <[Surge] > Yes.
[09:05] <CyberMad> what do you mean with repo?
[09:05] <CyberMad> i install kubuntu.. wait
[09:05] <apokryphos> Repository
[09:05] <apokryphos> It's not in any of the conventional ones, at least.
[09:06] <CyberMad> from Kubuntu v5.04 install - i386
[09:06] <[Surge] > CyberMad: If you run synaptic do you see it listed?
[09:07] <CyberMad> i just did install rdesktop and xvncviewer with aptitude last hours a go
[09:07] <CyberMad> do you mean, i type synaptic in console?
[09:07] <CyberMad> bash: synaptic: command not found
[09:08] <CyberMad> i don't know what is synaptic and kynaptic, sorry, later i will take a look to google
[09:09] <_edvardas> how to change arks (archiving tool) temp directory?
[09:09] <CyberMad> but when i type kynaptic
[09:09] <CyberMad> there is message, u must run this program under root
[09:10] <_edvardas> type sudo kynaptic?
[09:10] <CyberMad> Kynaptic <2>
[09:11] <CyberMad> X Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11
[09:11] <CyberMad> Resource temporarily unavailable)
[09:11] <CyberMad> and there is Kynaptic window behind that error message
[09:12] <CyberMad> When i press OK
[09:12] <CyberMad> there is another error message:
[09:12] <CyberMad> Kynaptic <2>
[09:12] <CyberMad> Unable to lock the administration directory
[09:12] <CyberMad> (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[09:12] <CyberMad> and then i press OK again
[09:13] <CyberMad> there is no error anymore
[09:13] <teprrr> _edvardas, it uses kde's default temp path
[09:13] <CyberMad> may i close this kynaptic appz?
[09:13] <teprrr> if you mean kdeutil's ark
[09:13] <_edvardas> yeah
[09:14] <_edvardas> maybe i can somehow change that temp directory to enother?
[09:14] <[Surge] > Do a reboot - it's going to be less painful
[09:14] <CyberMad> [Surge] , ok dude...
[09:14] <teprrr> $KDETMP or something like that was the env var for it
[09:14] <CyberMad> brb
[09:14] <teprrr> so try KDETMP=/my/new/shiny/path ark
[09:14] <bz0b> can someone tell me what the command to install open ssh server is?
[09:14] <teprrr> from console
[09:15] <_edvardas> mhm, i'll try
[09:17] <_edvardas> when i type KDETMP=/*/*/ ark it just open a new window of ark
[09:17] <tgnx> anyone know how i can switch gtk2 themes in kde for my gnome apps?
[09:17] <a514> 1 crossover cable 2 pc, how do i connect them?
[09:18] <matthew> one end of the cable goes to each pc;)
[09:18] <a514> yah yah ;)
[09:19] <a514> there's no lights on
[09:19] <tgnx> do you guys all use the default gtk2 theme in KDE?
[09:19] <tgnx> for your gnome apps?
[09:19] <matthew> ingegrated nics?
[09:20] <a514> yeah :) laptop & mb
[09:20] <matthew> it'll be your cable then
[09:20] <matthew> nothing to do with software, unless you disabled your nics
[09:20] <[Surge] > tgnb: Yes
[09:22] <_edvardas> i've left 8gb inhd and i want to extract 6gb file, but i can't because ark is extracting file in tmp and then copying to my directory so it takes 12gb... any suggestions how to extract it? :}
[09:22] <[Surge] > What file extension _edvardas ?
[09:22] <CyberMad> damn... it's work dude
[09:22] <CyberMad> yudi@earth:~$ sudo apt-get install crossover
[09:22] <_edvardas> *.bz2
[09:23] <CyberMad> Password:
[09:23] <CyberMad> Reading package lists... Done
[09:23] <CyberMad> Building dependency tree... Done
[09:23] <CyberMad> E: Couldn't find package crossover
[09:23] <apokryphos> tgnx: nope, never. I use my kde theme
[09:23] <[Surge] > Then do it from console
[09:23] <CyberMad> do you know what is keyword for crossover?
[09:23] <apokryphos> CyberMad: you apparently don't have a repository with it
[09:23] <tgnx> you use your kde theme for gnome apps? how do you do that?
[09:23] <_edvardas> [Surge] : how?
[09:23] <a514> could be the cable?
[09:23] <[Surge] > _edvardas: bunzip2 <filename>
[09:23] <apokryphos> tgnx: sudo aptitude install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[09:23] <_edvardas> thnx, i
[09:23] <CyberMad> wait.. open my dictionary, i don't know what is repository mean
[09:23] <[Surge] > Do it in the directory where you want the file extracted
[09:23] <_edvardas> i'll try it :}
[09:24] <[Surge] > I don't like Ark and it's /tmp issue
[09:24] <apokryphos> CyberMad: repositories are places for Ubuntu to get packages from
[09:24] <CyberMad> yes
[09:24] <CyberMad> how to support / add it?
[09:24] <apokryphos> CyberMad: when you use apt-get, it checks certain places (different "sources") and then downloads packages from there if it can get them
[09:24] <_edvardas> [Surge] : what do you use then?
[09:25] <_edvardas> console?
[09:25] <[Surge] > I always use command line - it's normally faster too
[09:25] <tgnx> apokryphos, thanks thats lets me switch to my theme also.. i wonder why i couldnt find that package :( i must have used dpkg wrong
[09:25] <CyberMad> i want to install CodeWeavers CrossOver Office
[09:25] <apokryphos> to get the proper version you'll need to buy it
[09:26] <[Surge] > _edvardas: "tar zxf <name>" for *.tgz or *.tar.gz
[09:26] <CyberMad> apokryphos, are you talking to me?
[09:26] <apokryphos> CyberMad: yes
[09:26] <CyberMad> actually i already have it
[09:26] <CyberMad> but nikita tell me to use apt-get
[09:27] <CyberMad> CodeWeavers.CrossOver.Office.Professional.v4.1.Linux.RPM.tar
[09:27] <[Surge] > _edvardas: "tar jxf <name>" or "bunzip2 <name>" for *.bz2 or *.tar.bz2
[09:27] <_edvardas> [Surge] : when i unzip (untar) file from command line then it doesn't /tmp?
[09:27] <apokryphos> CyberMad: if you have the program, the tar, then you would not use apt-get
[09:27] <[Surge] > _edvardas: "gunzip <name>" for *.gz
[09:27] <[Surge] > _edvardas: Nope
[09:27] <CyberMad> ok
[09:28] <_edvardas> mhm that's good, thnx for help :}
[09:28] <[Surge] > _edvardas: It extracts the file directly into the current directory unless you tell it otherwise
[09:28] <CyberMad> i already did untar
[09:28] <CyberMad> and this is:
[09:28] <CyberMad> CodeWeavers.CrossOver.Office.Professional.v4.1.Linux.RPM
[09:29] <CyberMad> i don't know how to install rpm on kubuntu
[09:29] <CyberMad> rpm -vhi filename ?
[09:29] <[Surge] > Ah ... so you have an RPM?!
[09:29] <[Surge] > Something like that
[09:29] <CyberMad> yup
[09:29] <apokryphos> nope, you can't install them like that
[09:29] <[Surge] > Not?
[09:29] <apokryphos> only real way is to convert them using alien first, but it's really sketchy for larger programs like Crossover
[09:29] <CyberMad> nikita said i can't install it
[09:29] <apokryphos> worth a try, perhaps
[09:30] <apokryphos> [Surge] : nope, Kubuntu uses the deb system :)
[09:30] <CyberMad> ok wait.. i try it
[09:30] <CyberMad> error: read failed: Is a directory (21)
[09:30] <CyberMad> -_-
[09:31] <apokryphos> CyberMad: that error of course means nothing to us. I have no idea what you're doing there
[09:31] <CyberMad> yudi@earth:~/Backup$ rpm -vhi CodeWeavers.CrossOver.Office.Professional.v4.1.Linux.RPM
[09:31] <CyberMad> error: read failed: Is a directory (21)
[09:31] <CyberMad> i did that
[09:32] <apokryphos> CyberMad: erm, I did say "nope, you can't install them like that"
[09:32] <[Surge] > Ah yes but you would need to do a "sudo"
[09:32] <CyberMad> yes.. i just try it, maybe something happen :P
[09:32] <[Surge] > If RPM's aren't supported then why is "rpm" installed by default?
[09:32] <CyberMad> miracle
[09:33] <apokryphos> [Surge] : I can think of many reasons; viewing the contents of an RPM, being able to convert them etc
[09:33] <[Surge] > It's not a nice thing to do though - you could end up with clashes between the RPM and apt databases
[09:34] <CyberMad> listening
[09:34] <apokryphos> I seriously don't think you can
[09:34] <CyberMad> maybe fedora is only answer?
[09:34] <CyberMad> maybe fedora is the only answer?
[09:35] <apokryphos> maybe Alien is a possibility, like I said. See man alien
[09:35] <CyberMad> ok
[09:35] <CyberMad> i try learn how to use alien... brb
[09:36] <dech> wow, i am so loving kubuntu
[09:37] <CyberMad> so all i just need is converting rpm to deb, right?
[09:37] <apokryphos> yes, then run the .deb
[09:37] <apokryphos> I really don't think it'll work, but hey.
[09:37] <jpatrick> you must try
[09:37] <CyberMad> yes of course
[09:37] <CyberMad> go go CyberMad
[09:37] <jpatrick> I tried install Linspire Clear
[09:38] <jpatrick> that didn't work
[09:38] <apokryphos> CyberMad: what do you want CrossOver office for, btw?
[09:38] <CyberMad> run macromedia flash
[09:38] <jpatrick> what?
[09:39] <CyberMad> what do you mean with what?
[09:39] <Aapzak> yo scared him :)
[09:39] <Aapzak> you
[09:40] <Aapzak> CyberMad: developing flash?
[09:41] <Aapzak> good evening everyone BTW
[09:41] <_edvardas> hi Aapzak
[09:42] <CyberMad> yes
[09:42] <CyberMad> these are weird:
[09:42] <CyberMad> yudi@earth:~/Backup$ alien crossover.rpm
[09:42] <CyberMad> Must run as root to convert to deb format (or you may use fakeroot).
[09:42] <CyberMad> yudi@earth:~/Backup$ sudo alien crossover.rpm
[09:42] <CyberMad> File "crossover.rpm" not found.
[09:43] <Aapzak> lol
[09:44] <Aapzak> and fakeroot?
[09:44] <CyberMad> don't know why
[09:46] <CyberMad> damn wrong!!!
[09:46] <CyberMad> wait...
[09:49] <CyberMad> looks like it worked
[09:49] <CyberMad> :D
[09:49] <CyberMad> brb
[09:49] <CyberMad> it's create .deb file
[09:49] <Aapzak> thats what alien does
[09:50] <CyberMad> what dumb CyberMad command alien to the folder crossover.rpm
[09:50] <Aapzak> I don't like that rpm2deb business
[09:50] <CyberMad> done!
[09:50] <CyberMad> brb
[09:50] <gdh> aye, alien doesn't do any 'magic'...
[09:51] <CyberMad> root@earth:~/Backup/crossover.rpm# alien crossover-pro-4.1-1.i386.rpm
[09:51] <CyberMad> crossover-pro_4.1-2_i386.deb generated
[09:51] <gdh> just puts files in what is more likely to be the right place :)
[09:51] <CyberMad> err... how to install deb ?
[09:51] <CyberMad> i'm newbie
[09:51] <jpatrick> dpkg -i name.deb
[09:52] <CyberMad> dpkg -i
[09:52] <CyberMad> yup
[09:52] <CyberMad> ok
[09:52] <supernix> have yall seen the new kernel image ?
[09:53] <CyberMad> done!
[09:53] <jpatrick> new kernel image
[09:53] <supernix> yep
[09:53] <jpatrick> I upgraded today
[09:53] <supernix> what did they fix or optimize ?
[09:53] <CyberMad> Setting up crossover-pro (4.1-2) ...
[09:54] <leus> kopete rebota mi contrasea por qu?
[09:54] <CyberMad> english..
[09:55] <hussam> how to extract the meta info of a cd? Data preparer, publisher, etc?
[09:55] <supernix> that is one thing I find so annoying is that they don't give any information at all about what has been added or changed or fixed about a package in the latest version
[09:55] <leus> kopete does not accept mi password. why?
[09:55] <jpatrick> #kubuntu-es
[09:55] <[Surge] > leus: Upgrade your kopete
[09:56] <leus> ok, thank you Surge
[09:56] <[Surge] > Microsoft changed the authentication method to break non MSN instant messengers so you have to get a new one for it to work.
[09:57] <[Surge] > They do it quite regularly - bastards
[09:57] <jpatrick> lol
[09:57] <leus> Where are you from Surge?
[09:57] <[Surge] > South Africa
[09:57] <mike223> greetings
[09:58] <CyberMad> so where is that crossover that i already installed :|
[09:58] <leus> I am from Argentina, I am new in kubuntu world
[09:58] <CyberMad> yup.. me too
[09:59] <leus> You too CiberMad?
[09:59] <CyberMad> yup.. this is my second day with kubuntu
[09:59] <leus> I used to use mandrake
[09:59] <CyberMad> cd /opt/
[09:59] <[Surge] > I just stopped using Mandrake
[09:59] <CyberMad> ups..
[10:00] <mike22> this is my third day:-P
[10:00] <[Surge] > My 7th
[10:00] <leus> hi everybody
[10:00] <leus> nice to meet you
[10:00] <_frank> [Surge] : my kopete still works... but it's from KDE 3.4.2
[10:01] <mike22> I'm just trying kopete
[10:01] <leus> I will try another version
[10:01] <mike22> I don't like that I can't up arrow to see what I typed
[10:01] <mike22> I'm going back to bnirc
[10:02] <CyberMad> [Surge] , how long you have been live with linux?
[10:02] <_frank> mike22: try konverse
[10:02] <[Surge] > CyberMad: About 8 years
[10:02] <[Surge] > Not make that 7
[10:03] <mike22> it's nice because it keeps everything you type in a buffer and if you move to another channel you do not lose what you have typed
[10:03] <mike22> frank: you mean konversation?
[10:03] <CyberMad> wow
[10:04] <[Surge] > CyberMad: I started with Slackware 0.9 something or the other in 1997
[10:04] <CyberMad> my first linux is redhat 8
[10:05] <CyberMad> brb
[10:05] <[Surge] > Back in those days you had to answer yes or no to every package during installation - it took 2 hours if you were quick.
[10:05] <leus> Do anybody use other instant messenger?
[10:05] <mike22> http://bniemczyk.is-a-geek.com/?newnav=bnirc&page=bnirc
[10:05] <[Surge] > leus: You can also use gaim
[10:05] <[Surge] > gaim also does MSN
[10:05] <mike22> it's cool too it has festival support
[10:05] <leus> thanks
[10:05] <dech> leus i use GAIM it has aol msn yahoo etc
[10:05] <[Surge] > sudo apt-get install gaim
[10:05] <mike22> festival is Text To Speech
[10:06] <mike22> it works beautifully with Kubuntu
[10:06] <apokryphos> I wonder if there's a plugin for KTTS
[10:06] <apokryphos> probably not, actually
[10:07] <dech> anyone know what to do with a .run file ? example et-linux-2.60.x86.run
[10:07] <Aapzak> its on the et website
[10:07] <CyberMad> root@earth:/opt/cxoffice # ls
[10:07] <CyberMad> bin changelog.txt doc etc lib license.txt README support
[10:07] <CyberMad> root@earth:/opt/cxoffice # sh install-crossover-pro-4.1.sh
[10:07] <CyberMad> sh: install-crossover-pro-4.1.sh: No such file or directory
[10:07] <CyberMad> i guess it's over
[10:08] <CyberMad> :(( huhuhuhu
[10:08] <dech> Et website ? i got it from 3dgamers which gave no info
[10:08] <crimsun> dech: chmod +x et-linux-2.60.x86.run && ./et-linux-2.60.x86.run
[10:08] <mike22> I had that working a while back but festival is so good and complete it's hard to justify something else
[10:08] <crimsun> dech: make sure you apply the patch(es), too
[10:08] <bt_> dech: do a file whatever.run and it will tell you the type of file it is
[10:08] <Aapzak> crimsun: is right
[10:08] <CyberMad> maybe problem with the convert
[10:08] <dech> pathes after 2.60 ?
[10:08] <dech> and thanks guys :)
[10:10] <mike22> Aapzak: you didn't give me a chance to thank you the other day. I had a sound lock-up and you fixed it bysudo -killall esd
[10:10] <mike22> thanks
[10:11] <mike22> sheesh He went again
[10:12] <dech> hmm guess my video card isnt installed its really jumpy in et
[10:13] <[Surge] > dech: You got an vidia or ATI card?
[10:13] <[Surge] > nvidia I mean
[10:13] <dech> ATI radeon 9200se pci 128mb
[10:13] <[Surge] > Hmmm ... ok ask someone else :)
[10:13] <dech> :P
[10:13] <[Surge] > I haven't got any experience with ATI's
[10:13] <dech> im paying off the last part of my nvidia 6800 ultra this week :D
[10:14] <dech> 256mbs of DDR3 joy :D
[10:16] <dech> hmm so, anyone know how to check/configure/install an ati video card under kubuntu ? :P
[10:18] <CyberMad> wait wait... i guess the CrossOver Installation succeed!
[10:18] <CyberMad> right now i was installing iTunes
[10:18] <apokryphos> dech: either use the repositories or manually get it from their site
[10:19] <boga> how can I have kubuntu automount a cdrom?
[10:19] <apokryphos> boga: it should do that by default
[10:19] <boga> apokryphos: it doesn't!
[10:19] <CyberMad> i'm just using 64 MB graphics card
[10:20] <CyberMad> :((
[10:20] <apokryphos> boga: is it displayed under media:/
[10:20] <boga> apokryphos: yes it is but on clicking the cdrom, there is nothing?
[10:20] <CyberMad> but i think is ok.. because i don't do game
[10:20] <apokryphos> boga: you have to right-click -> mount?
[10:20] <CyberMad> 6% downloading iTunes
[10:20] <boga> Ok...let me try that.
[10:21] <CyberMad> i can't believe it... running iTunes on Linux!!
[10:21] <boga> apokryphos: I have no "mount' option when I right click!
[10:22] <mike22> CyberMad: crossroad trial?
[10:22] <apokryphos> boga: what do you have?
[10:22] <mike22> trial version?
[10:22] <apokryphos> boga: odd that it should display the CD and suggest that it's not mounted :|
[10:22] <boga> I have "open in new window, Open in new tab.
[10:22] <dech> oh gees
[10:23] <dech> i am so happy
[10:23] <dech> ati made an installer for linux :D
[10:23] <dech> last time i checked it required manual install+kernel compile :P
[10:24] <boga> I also have open with, cervisia, preview in, compress, copyto, properties
[10:24] <[Surge] > dech: ATI's linux drivers are getting better slowly - still not as easy as NVIDIA in my opinion - seen so many people struggling with ATI drivers
[10:24] <dech> Yeah i know what you mean
[10:24] <dech> thats the biggest reason i went for the nvidia 6800 ultra over the Ati radeon x850
[10:25] <[Surge] > dech: For nvidia drivers in kubuntu :
[10:25] <dech> ati are nice but nvidia are just so much more compatible
[10:25] <[Surge] > Step 1 : apt-get install nvidia-glx
[10:25] <apokryphos> boga: can you still manually mount it, though?
[10:25] <[Surge] > Step 2 : nvidia-glx-config enable
[10:25] <dech> :D
[10:25] <[Surge] > Done
[10:26] <dech> wow
[10:26] <dech> that IS easy
[10:26] <dech> for ati it seems to now be
[10:26] <[Surge] > Step 3 : Restart X Window server
[10:26] <apokryphos> boga: by sudo mount /media/cdrom
[10:26] <dech> step 1 download ati-driver-installer-8.16.20-i386.run
[10:26] <dech> step 2 run it
[10:26] <dech> dunno after that :P
[10:27] <[Surge] > Looks like they are following nvidia's lead with a binary installer
[10:27] <boga> apokryphos: that way, things are OK. But I am looking for an automount feature
[10:27] <dech> :)
[10:28] <apokryphos> boga: yes, kde already has such a feature; uses a combination of HAL and a few other things. If you don't get a response from someone else here for why it's not working (I have no ide), you may want to try forum and/or mailing list
[10:28] <dech> im also intel over amd, new amd's are nice, but i just dont trust the company anymore :P
[10:28] <CyberMad> mike22, actually not trial.. full
[10:28] <dech> way to many bad personal experiences
[10:28] <mike22> trhanks
[10:29] <boga> Ok thax
[10:29] <boga> thanx
[10:29] <mike22> CyberMad: did you download and if so can you make a usable copy of the software in case of a sys crash?
[10:35] <CyberMad> yes i did..
[10:35] <CyberMad> i download it from limewire
[10:36] <CyberMad> you can find it there
[10:36] <_brent> hi room
[10:36] <CyberMad> wow, mike22 and mike23
[10:36] <mike22> bnirc rules
[10:36] <CyberMad> brother
[10:36] <_brent> i have a problem setting up thunderbird as my default mail client. can anybody help me please?
[10:36] <CyberMad> :P
[10:37] <mike22> http://sfexplore.com/~bniemczyk/wiki/index.php/BnIRC_Startup_File
[10:39] <_brent> anyone? ive been looking for hours to the solution
[10:39] <mike22> to what?
[10:40] <dech> ok rebooting after configure of vid
[10:40] <dech> wish me luck
[10:40] <[Surge] > Rebooting?!
[10:40] <[Surge] > No need for that
[10:40] <[Surge] > Just restart the X server
[10:40] <_brent> i have a problem setting up thunderbird as my default mail client.
[10:40] <dech> eh
[10:40] <[Surge] > Ctrl-Alt-Backspace
[10:40] <dech> im not that intelligent with linux yet :P
[10:41] <dech> ok will do :D
[10:41] <dech> thanks
[10:41] <_brent> mike 22, where you asking me "to what?"
[10:42] <mike22> yes
[10:42] <mike22> help with what?
[10:43] <dech> wahey :D
[10:43] <dech> done
[10:43] <_brent> mike22, i have a problem setting up thunderbird as my default mail client.
[10:43] <dech> thanks [Surge]
[10:43] <_brent> in kde, sorry
[10:44] <mike22> can't help you, sorry
[10:44] <dech> ok, now, how to change my resolution ? :P
[10:44] <mike22> I use the mozilla browser which has t-bird integrated
[10:45] <mike22> it also has Im and irc too
[10:45] <_brent> mike22, which is that? the mozilla suite, or is there a newer firefox+thunderbird suite?
[10:45] <mike22> mozilla suite
[10:45] <_brent> oh
[10:46] <mike22> It's closer to the netscape look, which I like better
[10:46] <dech> Yay got it
[10:46] <_brent> well thanx anyway, i really ove thunderbird and firefox. does mozilla suite mail have rss reader?
[10:46] <dech> back to 1024x768
[10:46] <mike22> don't know
[10:46] <_brent> gotcha
[10:46] <dech> brb
[10:46] <Oblivion> hi
[10:47] <Oblivion> hi
[10:47] <_brent> if i install mozilla suite will i have profile conflict with firefox?
[10:47] <dech> :) back
[10:47] <mike22> no
[10:47] <Oblivion> How can I install mozilla
[10:48] <mike22> download and follow the install instructions
[10:48] <dech> woah
[10:49] <Oblivion> I know that, but what is the name of the package?
[10:49] <dech> et crashed (assuming its configured to my old vid driver cause it said no open gl) and now my desktop is too big for monitor
[10:49] <dech> and it scrolls
[10:49] <dech> wheni move to the sides
[10:49] <_brent> hmm, i still don't think that will solve my issue anyhow, being that i prefer to browse w/firefox and would want it to use a default email client from firefox (ie send link) it only gives me evolution, which i don't care for.
[10:49] <_frank> Oblivion: mozilla-browser I think
[10:49] <_brent> oblivian, apt-get install mozilla
[10:49] <apokryphos> Oblivion: or just get the mozilla metapackage which will drag that in and a few other mozilla-related things
[10:50] <_brent> that should work if you have configured your sources list correctly. see ubuntuguide.org
[10:52] <mike22> _brent: you might want to check over at #mozilla
[10:52] <mike22> I think it's server irc.mozilla.net channel #mozilla
[10:53] <dech> ok
[10:53] <dech> so
[10:53] <dech> how to uninstall et ? >_<
[10:54] <[Surge] > There is normally an uninstall script
[10:55] <_brent> ill try thanx
[10:56] <dech> eh
[10:56] <dech> just gotta remember where i installed it :P
[10:56] <_brent> does anyone know what absolute path of thunderbird install is?
[10:59] <mike22> _brent: run sudo updatedb
[10:59] <mike22> then run locate t-bird
[10:59] <mike22> you'll see it's entire dirctory structure
[11:00] <dech> no uninstall script :(
[11:00] <dech> just openurl.sh and etded.sh and of course
[11:00] <dech> et
[11:01] <mike22> the update vommand takes a while to execute
[11:02] <_brent> how long?
[11:03] <_brent> =not too long, lol
[11:04] <dech> ok
[11:04] <dech> [Surge] you wanna look at an et crash output for me ? its a small paragraph about my video and you would unerstand it more :P
[11:05] <[Surge] > Sure
[11:05] <dech> understand*
[11:05] <[Surge] > But I give no garauntees
[11:05] <_brent> mike22, ok did that. so how do i determine the absolute path from that output? its a lot of lines?
[11:05] <dech> Heh thats fine :D
[11:05] <Oblivion> thank you for helping me, good bye
[11:05] <mike22> ls >out.txt
[11:06] <mike22> then you will be able to read it
[11:06] <mike22> locate t-bird >out.txt
[11:07] <_brent> i can read it, using scroller, i just dont understand what the output means
[11:07] <_brent> how do i find the absolute path from the output?
[11:07] <[Surge] > lol
[11:07] <McScruff> how do i find what kernel im running?
[11:07] <[Surge] > dech: Use a paste site
[11:08] <othernoob> McScruff: uname -s
[11:08] <mike22> what is it you are looking for?
[11:08] <McScruff> wohoo
[11:08] <McScruff> ty
[11:08] <McScruff> it says linux
[11:08] <othernoob> eh.. uname -a
[11:08] <othernoob> damn finger
[11:08] <McScruff> ty
[11:08] <dech> Heh paste site ?
[11:09] <mike22> the exectuables will have a different path then your config files prob stored in /home/_brent/.t-bird
[11:09] <[Surge] > dech: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/
[11:09] <dech> thanks
[11:10] <[Surge] > You can paste your long error message there without flooding IRC
[11:10] <[Surge] > Or http://rafb.net/paste
[11:11] <dech> ok http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1406
[11:11] <_brent> sorry, im newer to linux and dont fully understand the tree structure
[11:12] <dech> while you look over it ima restart x cause it made my desktop way bigger than my monitor and i cant see anything unless i croll my monitor to it
[11:13] <dech> ok nvm
[11:13] <dech> just changed res to 800x600 then back to 1024x768 and its all good
[11:13] <[Surge] > You don't have the drivers installed properly
[11:14] <dech> ?
[11:14] <[Surge] > It's using the Mesa OpenGL software rendering libs
[11:14] <dech> It worked before i installed them :P
[11:14] <dech> hmm
[11:14] <mike22> _brent:http://clusty.com/search?query=mozilla+irc
[11:14] <dech> maybe et is just configured that way
[11:14] <[Surge] > Not the ATI OpenGL hardware rendering libs
[11:14] <[Surge] > Nah
[11:14] <dech> cause i installed et with them set like that
[11:14] <[Surge] > run "glxgears"
[11:14] <dech> thats how they used to be set
[11:14] <dech> kk
[11:14] <mike22> looks like mozilla has an irc channel
[11:15] <[Surge] > dech: You shouldn't get less than 3000 FPS in glxgears with your card
[11:15] <dech> :(
[11:15] <dech> dech@box:~$ glxgears
[11:15] <dech> 871 frames in 5.0 seconds = 174.200 FPS
[11:15] <dech> 675 frames in 5.0 seconds = 135.000 FPS
[11:15] <dech> 784 frames in 5.0 seconds = 156.800 FPS
[11:15] <dech> 791 frames in 5.0 seconds = 158.200 FPS
[11:15] <[Surge] > Software rendering
[11:16] <[Surge] > Maybe someone here can help you with your ATI - I know nothing about their drivers
[11:16] <[Surge] > Or maybe #ubuntu or #linux
[11:16] <dech> woah when i switched to konversation it went upt to 1000fps :P
[11:16] <dech> for the duration of being focused on this window
[11:17] <_brent> mike 22, nobody responds and there are only about 9 users in room
[11:18] <dech> Hmm so anyone here know anything about ATI drivers ? :P
[11:39] <EasterSunshine> dech i assume you have followed ubotu's link?
[11:39] <dech> Which one ?
[11:39] <EasterSunshine> ubotu tell dech about ati
[12:00] <beniamino> can anyone tell me what this means, when launching oowriter2:
[12:00] <beniamino> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'com::sun::star::configuration::backend::BackendAccessExceptio
[12:00] <beniamino> s/BackendAccessExceptio/BackendAccessException'/
[12:04] <mike22> beniamino: check with #openoffice
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2005-08-24-#kubuntu-devel
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[10:21] <verwilst> Riddell-awa: ping -f
[12:35] <pef> hello
[01:38] <hunger> ho
[01:38] <jpatrick> lo
[01:57] <verwilst> lo
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2005-08-01-#ubuntu-toolchain
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[05:44] <fabbione> morning
[08:04] <desrt> fabbione; gamin issues still/again
[08:05] <fabbione> desrt: such as?
[08:05] <desrt> desktop not showing new files
[08:05] <fabbione> desrt: that's a gamin/nautilus problem
[08:05] <desrt> nod.
[08:06] <fabbione> if it works for a while and than stop working, blame userland
[08:06] <desrt> ah. gotcha.
[08:06] <fabbione> it's a flow in the way in which gamin handles the "locks" on dirs to monitor
[08:06] <fabbione> i told upstream
[08:06] <fabbione> he shitted on me
[08:06] <desrt> DV?
[08:06] <fabbione> and i am not going to pick up another discussion with him
[08:07] <fabbione> i think so yeahg
[08:07] <fabbione> it has been a while ago
[08:07] <desrt> he's really bad at being critisised
[08:07] <fabbione> i didn't criticise him
[08:07] <fabbione> i explained to him a problem
[08:07] <fabbione> with all the debugging info
[08:07] <desrt> bugs reports are critisism :)
[08:07] <fabbione> he didn't care
[08:07] <fabbione> there are no bugs
[08:07] <fabbione> and he did run out of arguments
[08:07] <desrt> sigh.
[08:07] <fabbione> so he started complaining about my non-perfect english
[08:08] <desrt> makes you wonder why we all switched from fam
[08:08] <desrt> oh crikey
[08:08] <fabbione> and yes, i know my english is not perfect
[08:08] <desrt> here's a neat question
[08:08] <desrt> what is the problem with applications using libnotify themselves, directly?
[08:08] <fabbione> as i told him.. and he suggest to go to a school
[08:08] <desrt> *inotify
[08:08] <fabbione> and i suggest him to remove a dildo from his $(where the sun doesn't shine"
[08:09] <fabbione> i don't know..
[08:09] <fabbione> i didn't even know it existed such a lib
[08:09] <desrt> it doesn't. i made a mistake :)
[08:09] <desrt> i meant to say "inotify" but said "libnotify" instead
[08:09] <desrt> hmmmmm
[08:10] <desrt> you gotta figure that almost everything that uses fam uses it via the gnome-vfs
[08:10] <fabbione> gamin uses inotify directly
[08:10] <desrt> which means that you'd just need to add inotify support to gnome-vfs's file method
[08:10] <fabbione> the point is that it does it in a very stupid way
[08:10] <desrt> gamin would be cut out of the picture
[08:10] <fabbione> oh yeah
[08:10] <desrt> and all of its silly problems would go away automatically
[08:10] <fabbione> that would be awesome
[08:10] <desrt> (and hopefully not too many new silly problems are introduced)
[08:11] <desrt> i'm sufficiently intrigued to attempt this
[08:11] <fabbione> desrt: the main issue with gamin are:
[08:11] <desrt> i wonder if robert is around
[08:11] <fabbione> - it doesn't keep an association table between clients and monitored directories
[08:12] <fabbione> - it uses signals even if there is a BIG FAT WARNING TO NOT USE SIGNALS for that kind of thing
[08:12] <fabbione> so it is basically bad designed
[08:12] <fabbione> it is possible to rewrite the code without changing the API
[08:12] <desrt> but why bother?
[08:12] <fabbione> but i really have no interest in doing it
[08:12] <desrt> i mean.. why gam_server?
[08:12] <desrt> the kernel is the new gam_server ala inotify
[08:13] <fabbione> hmm no
[08:13] <desrt> and honestly, i trust the kernel to not screw up an awful lot more than i trust the gam_server
[08:13] <fabbione> there is a difference
[08:13] <fabbione> be careful
[08:13] <fabbione> the kernel provide the feature
[08:13] <fabbione> but you need a link layer between the kernel and the clients
[08:13] <fabbione> inotify has not been designed to be used directly by many clients afaik
[08:13] <fabbione> so you need a "collector" or server
[08:13] <desrt> what else in ubuntu uses libfam other than gnome-vfs?
[08:14] <desrt> ah
[08:14] <fabbione> apt-cache rdepends libfam ?
[08:14] <desrt> hm. that's an odd one.
[08:14] <fabbione> apt-cache rdepends libgamin0 | wc -l
[08:15] <fabbione> 174
[08:15] <desrt> so you think the kernel will start to suffer if it has to notify several clients of updates to a inode?
[08:15] <fabbione> at least 174 pkgs
[08:15] <fabbione> the point is the info dispatcher
[08:15] <fabbione> example:
[08:15] <fabbione> you change something in dir foo
[08:15] <fabbione> the kernel sends a notification to gamin
[08:16] <fabbione> gamin redistribute it to the clients that are registerd to that dir
[08:16] <fabbione> the last step is clearly not a kernel job
[08:16] <desrt> i don't understand why it isn't
[08:16] <fabbione> the kernel has no need to know how many clients are monitoring a dir
[08:16] <desrt> each client can open inotify for itself
[08:16] <desrt> and the kernel can tell all of them
[08:16] <fabbione> yes, that's correct
[08:16] <desrt> it actually seems silly to me that we have the indirection at all
[08:16] <fabbione> but the point is that inotify will make the kernel suffer during that operation
[08:17] <desrt> it made more sense with dnotify simply because dnotify was such a pain to use
[08:17] <desrt> hmm
[08:17] <fabbione> because you are stalling on kernel execution time
[08:17] <fabbione> when that kind of processing can be done in userland
[08:17] <desrt> i can't imagine it's worse (or better) than O(n)
[08:18] <desrt> plus... we have preempt :)
[08:29] <desrt> oh. inotify is a syscall these days
[08:29] <desrt> weird.
[08:30] <desrt> that sort of seems a lot more reasonable....
[08:30] <desrt> except that i don't know how you poll for a syscall
[08:32] <fabbione> check how gamin does it
[08:32] <fabbione> the connection between gamin and the kernel is "okish"
[08:32] <fabbione> the issue with gamin is the rest
[08:32] <desrt> i bet the syscall creates an fd
[08:32] <desrt> like socket()
[08:33] <fabbione> iirc they use sysfs
[08:33] <desrt> i can just picture the politics
include inotify in linus kernel!
over my dead body if it uses /dev/inotify. such a hack!
[08:33] <desrt> *weird solution*
[08:34] <fabbione> ehehhe
[08:35] <desrt> yup.
[08:35] <desrt> inotify_init is a new syscall which returns an fd
[08:35] <desrt> then instead of ioctling it you use inotify_add_watch, etc (also new syscalls)
[08:35] <fabbione> yes i saw the syscalls
[08:36] <fabbione> when backporting inotify from .13-rc
[08:36] <desrt> that's perfect
[08:36] <desrt> i really like this design
[08:36] <desrt> still lets you use standard poll/read io loop stuff with it
[08:45] <desrt> wow. something fantastically bad just happened
[08:45] <desrt> oh. it's an oops.
[08:58] <fabbione> doko: ping?
[09:00] <fabbione> doko: unping
[09:00] <desrt> something has gone terribly wrong inside the inotify code
[09:01] <desrt> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12987
[09:02] <doko> fabbione: pong anyway
[09:02] <fabbione> doko: thanks i already solved
[09:03] <fabbione> desrt: NOTABUG
[09:03] <fabbione> # define __NR_inotify_init 291
[09:03] <fabbione> # define __NR_inotify_add_watch 292
[09:03] <fabbione> # define __NR_inotify_rm_watch 293
[09:03] <fabbione> wrong syscalls
[09:03] <fabbione> kthxbyw
[09:03] <desrt> uhm
[09:03] <desrt> so userspace calling the wrong syscalls should generate oopses that take out the entire kernel?
[09:04] <fabbione> it is correctly OOPSING to tell you that you are calling the wrong syscall
[09:04] <fabbione> it's not crashing
[09:04] <fabbione> you need to use the inotify include or whatever defines the syscall
[09:04] <fabbione> no need to redifine them
[09:04] <desrt> no... the process goes into uninterruptable sleep
[09:04] <desrt> and then anything else that i try to open oopses from then on
[09:05] <desrt> at best that's a critical security flaw
[09:06] <fabbione> can you try do a syscall on another kernel that's not inotify related?
[09:06] <fabbione> calling syscall that way is delicate
[09:07] <desrt> i'm gonna figure out what actual syscall number causes it
[09:07] <desrt> btw: if i do it from the console, the virtual terminal stops working
[09:07] <fabbione> the 3 syscalls you are using are invalid
[09:07] <fabbione> that's as simple as it gets
[09:07] <desrt> it seems that whatever i am calling trashes the stdin/out/err/tty of the calling process
[09:08] <desrt> it's 291
[09:10] <desrt> inotify_rm_watch ...
[09:10] <fabbione> what arch is that?
[09:10] <desrt> i386
[09:11] <fabbione> asm/unistd.h:#define __NR_inotify_rm_watch 291
[09:11] <fabbione> asm-i386/unistd.h:#define __NR_inotify_rm_watch 291
[09:11] <desrt> nod.
[09:11] <fabbione> #define __NR_inotify_init 289
[09:11] <fabbione> #define __NR_inotify_add_watch 290
[09:11] <fabbione> #define __NR_inotify_rm_watch 291
[09:11] <fabbione> #define NR_syscalls 292
[09:11] <desrt> so i'm calling inotify_rm_watch as a void function
[09:11] <desrt> the inotify_rm_watch syscall doesn't do proper input validation
[09:12] <desrt> i really hope this isn't a problem in the upstream kernel......
[09:12] <fabbione> it is probably
[09:12] <desrt> ok
[09:12] <fabbione> can you try to use another syscall to something completely different?
[09:12] <desrt> i'm gonna figure out exactly what registers i'm passing it and what's on the stack
[09:12] <fabbione> it can be a flaw in inotify
[09:12] <desrt> i think it is a flaw in inotify
[09:13] <fabbione> also.. to use syscalls include asm/unistd.h
[09:13] <desrt> nod.
[09:13] <fabbione> so you don't need to care about numbering
[09:13] <desrt> i just copied those out of gamin
[09:13] <fabbione> you will need kernel includes...
[09:13] <desrt> i have them. i was just being lazy
[09:13] <desrt> :/
[09:13] <desrt> sort of glad i was though. found a nice bug :P
[09:14] <fabbione> does the kernel oops with gamin?=
[09:14] <fabbione> debian/patches/sth-fs_inotify.dpatch:+asmlinkage long sys_inotify_rm_watch(int fd, u32 wd)
[09:14] <fabbione> debian/patches/sth-fs_inotify.dpatch:+ int inotify_rm_watch (int fd, __u32 mask);
[09:14] <fabbione> debian/patches/sth-fs_inotify.dpatch:+cond_syscall(sys_inotify_rm_watch);
[09:14] <desrt> SYS_291(0, 0xbf993e00, 0x41111d8a, 0x8048438, 0x8049634)
[09:14] <desrt> ^^ this is the baddy.
[09:15] <fabbione> it's probably easier if i allign the numbers of our kernel
[09:15] <desrt> ya.. probably
[09:15] <desrt> is .13 out yet?
[09:15] <fabbione> desrt: i don't have much time right now
[09:15] <fabbione> i will send you a kernel to test
[09:15] <desrt> fabbione; it's ok. i'm gonna download and build a vanilla kernel
[09:15] <desrt> oh. ok.
[09:15] <fabbione> .13 is not out yet
[09:15] <desrt> well, i'll try vanilla too
[09:15] <desrt> this probably isn't ubuntu's fault
[09:15] <fabbione> ok that would be nice
[09:16] <fabbione> it might as well be .. but a double check will save me time
[09:39] <desrt> ok
[09:39] <desrt> problem appears to be in vanilla
[09:39] <desrt> and i've found the source of it
[09:40] <desrt> sys_inotify_rm_watch( int fd, u32 wd )
[09:40] <desrt> struct file *filp;
[09:40] <desrt> struct inotify_device *dev;
[09:40] <desrt> filp = fget(fd);
[09:40] <desrt> if(!filp) return -EBADF;
[09:40] <desrt> /* no check to find out what type of fd filp is */
[09:41] <desrt> dev = filp->private_data; /* assign unknown datatype to an inotify_device pointer */
[09:41] <desrt> /* all downhill from hear */
[09:41] <desrt> *here
[09:45] <fabbione> desrt: meh....
[09:45] <desrt> should i email LKML or what?
[09:46] <fabbione> mail rlove first
[09:46] <desrt> ok
[09:46] <fabbione> just avoid the speech about different syscall nums
[09:46] <fabbione> use the vanilla one as reference
[09:46] <fabbione> otherwise we will start bouncing emails back and forward about ubuntu kernel being broken
[09:46] <fabbione> when the problem is in vanilla too
[09:47] <doko> fabbione, lamont: did the new curl 7.14 build on sparc and hppa?
[09:47] <desrt> :)
[09:48] <fabbione> doko: is it in universe or main=?
[09:49] <fabbione> well i guess until seb128 will learn to use versioned build-dep, it doesn't really matter..
[09:49] <fabbione> all of gnome on sparc is broken
[09:49] <doko> fabbione: main
[09:49] <fabbione> because it keeps coming up with _XOPEN_SOURCE somewhere
[09:50] <fabbione> doko: it's probably queued
[09:50] <fabbione> curl_7.14.0-2ubuntu1
[09:50] <fabbione> yeah it is
[10:01] <doko> ok, thanks
[10:02] <fabbione> desrt: ehehhe
[10:02] <desrt> i don't really think there's a need to email andrew morton
[10:02] <fabbione> no i don't think so
[10:02] <desrt> btw
[10:03] <desrt> does 'UPSTREAM' mean upstream has been notified about the issue?
[10:03] <fabbione> desrt: yes
[10:03] <desrt> cool.
[10:04] <desrt> now that that's over and done with
[10:04] <desrt> thanks for your help
[10:04] <desrt> as per usual :)
[10:07] <fabbione> desrt: thanks to you for being so nice!
[10:08] <chmj> morning
[10:08] <chmj> O.O
[10:35] <fabbione> hey chmj
[12:21] <fabbione> doko:
[12:21] <fabbione> configure: error: jni.h could not be found. Mismatch between gcc and libgcj or libgcj-devel missing?
[12:21] <fabbione> (building OO2)
[12:21] <fabbione> what can cause that?
[12:22] <doko> strange. the build-deps are all there. which version do you build?
[12:22] <fabbione> 1.9.116-0.pre1ubuntu1
[12:22] <fabbione> the one in the archive
[12:25] <fabbione> i will forward the build log
[12:25] <fabbione> it's only 300K
[12:26] <doko> ok
[12:29] <doko> ls -l /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/include
[12:29] <doko> ok, we need an update for java-gcj-compat
[12:29] <fabbione> ok :)
[12:29] <fabbione> good to know
[12:29] <fabbione> see.. sparc isn't completely useless :)
[12:29] <fabbione> doko
[12:29] <fabbione> any news about binutils?
[12:30] <doko> what did I forget? :(
[12:30] <fabbione> sparc starts to feel the pressure of building half of the desktop
[12:30] <fabbione> the linking problem?
[12:30] <fabbione> with -Wl,--as-needed?
[12:31] <fabbione> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12822 <-
[12:31] <doko> hmm, I thought that was a libtool/pkgconfig problem, which keybuk and jbailey would address?
[12:31] <fabbione> no no
[12:31] <fabbione> look at the bug
[12:31] <fabbione> there is a simple test case
[12:31] <fabbione> with hello world
[12:32] <doko> ok, I'll look
[12:32] <fabbione> the other bug you are talking about is to do in such a way that gnome doesn't need --as-needed
[12:32] <fabbione> but binutils is still buggy :)
[12:32] <fabbione> on sparc and alpha
[12:33] <fabbione> i need to grab something to eat
[12:33] <fabbione> later
[03:09] <lamont> doko: several timeouts on hppa with defunct processes, during tests
[03:09] <fabbione> hey lamont
[03:09] <fabbione> lamont: any news about ia64?
[03:10] <doko> lamont: java?
[03:10] <lamont> doko: curl
[03:10] <lamont> fabbione: will have news either way in a few hours
[03:10] <fabbione> lamont: ok thanks
[03:11] <doko> lamont: hmm, I suspect, that is the buildd environment, I'll check here locally
[03:12] <lamont> doko: wouldn't terribly surprise me
[05:32] <fabbione> desrt: there is a big bunch of patches in git for inotify
[05:32] <fabbione> one of them is the one we need
[05:32] <fabbione> they will be in for the next upload
[05:50] <desrt> fabbione; ya. i just got an email from robert :)
[05:50] <fabbione> desrt: i just finished the rediffing
[05:50] <fabbione> :)
[05:50] <desrt> that was my first kernel security vuln
[05:51] <desrt> i'm sort of disappointed that it was already fixed :P
[05:51] <fabbione> ehhee
[06:03] <fabbione> let see if it builds
[06:04] <fabbione> desrt: anyway we should seriously move our kernel talks to #ubuntu-kernel :)
[06:05] <desrt> heh. i swear i originally came here to talk about the toolchain :)
[06:16] <jbailey> elmo: ping? Breezy-i386 chroot on concordia seems to have way out of date apt sources.
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2005-08-01-#ubuntu-motu
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[12:01] <\sh> SloMo_: no...imms
[12:02] <SloMo_> ok, thanks... i'll look at it now
[12:05] <SloMo_> hmm, what would i give now for a ssh login on some amd64 machine :( is someone on amd64 here who has some time to test a few changes to this package?
[12:09] <dholbach> SloMo_: eris built on all 4 architectures
[12:10] <\sh> amd64 machine? yes there was something
[12:10] <\sh> Mithrandir: ping u got my mail? :)
[12:10] <SloMo_> dholbach: yeah this was why i asked ;)
[12:11] <ajmitch> I don't think a 400MHz G3 is going to fly
[12:14] <SloMo_> \sh: can you look at imms then? ;) btw, what are you asking Mithrandir to do for you?
[12:15] <\sh> SloMo_: tomorrow morning as my first duty :)
[12:18] <\sh> ok...time for me to go to bed..
[12:18] <\sh> tomorrow more :)
[12:18] <SloMo_> ok, gn8 \sh :)
[12:18] <\sh> and thx again to all of you :)
[12:21] <dholbach> bye sh :)
[12:24] <SloMo_> hmm... now i've something to upload and have to wait for my key to be added ;) does someone wants to upload it for me?
[12:28] <dholbach> hey crimsun
[12:28] <Nafallo> ogra: ping
[12:28] <crimsun> hey dholbach
[12:29] <ogra> Nafallo, ?
[12:29] <Nafallo> ogra: didn't you fix dput to default to ubuntu? making some of the stuff on wiki.u.c/Uploads irrelevant? :-)
[12:29] <ogra> Nafallo, yep
[12:30] <Nafallo> ogra: nice. I'm glad I have some sort of memory ;-)
[12:30] <ogra> Nafallo, but you never know if someone misses the merge stuff and just syncs, so dont delete it completely
[12:30] <ogra> i.e. overrides my changes to dput and pulls the plain debian version in
[12:30] <ogra> but feel free to correct the page ;)
[12:31] <Nafallo> ogra: naah, I'm just to lazy to edit things. so I probably do not edit the wiki either ;-)
[12:32] <ogra> :)
[12:33] <Nafallo> I will probably be to most lazy MOTU yet ;-)
[12:33] <dholbach> Nafallo: that's a tough competition :/
[12:33] <ajmitch> Nafallo: get in line! ;)
[12:33] <Nafallo> dholbach: well, you got IRL-stuff going on ;-)
[12:33] <Nafallo> ajmitch: and you got debian :-P
[12:34] <Nafallo> I got Ubuntu :-)
[12:34] <dholbach> ajmitch: not at all
[12:34] <Nafallo> and porn-torrents ;-)
[12:35] <ajmitch> yay, new server for work might be debian
[12:35] <dholbach> ajmitch: we have quite a lot of motus on the list that never did more than 1-2 uploads themselves
[12:35] <ajmitch> for a few weeks I didn't do any
[12:35] <ajmitch> I've got a lot of catching up to do ;)
[01:05] <pete> Hi all :) could someone answer my question on this bug, please :-) http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11613
[01:08] <SloMo_> pete: i would incorporate the patch
[01:08] <pete> SloMo_: ok, thanks
[01:09] <ajmitch> it should be in debian soon, and we can fix up changes next time round
[01:09] <ajmitch> so long as it builds now :)
[01:15] <pete> hmm.. but after setting the bug-state to NEEDINFO I can't set it to PENDING, what should I do?
[01:17] <SloMo_> pete: maybe reassign to you and then set to pending
[01:17] <SloMo_> pete: but don't know whether this works ;)
[01:18] <pete> SloMo_: it did :P
[01:19] <Mez> pete, do you have Editbugs
[01:19] <Mez> grr
[01:19] <Mez> brb
[01:20] <ajmitch> should I get wxwidgets 2.6 dragged in from experimental?
[01:21] <crimsun> I asked already, doko has it covered
[01:21] <crimsun> he wants it in main
[01:21] <crimsun> which is fine by me, cos then I can build vlc against it :)
[01:21] <tseng> rock on
[01:21] <tseng> it would be nice to have another decent video player
[01:21] <ajmitch> crimsun: wonderful
[01:22] <ajmitch> crimsun: that'll let me get boa constructor 0.4.0 in, instead of merging for 0.3.0
[01:22] <crimsun> yep, been waiting for wxwidgets2.6.1 forever =)
[01:23] <ajmitch> gnue-designer doesn't like it, last I saw
[01:23] <ajmitch> but I'll bug uptream mercilessly
[01:42] <lamont> GC.c:83: error: static declaration of 'static_objects' follows non-static declaration
[01:42] <lamont> ../includes/Storage.h:408: error: previous declaration of 'static_objects' was here
[01:43] <lamont> someone want to really make ghc6 actually compile with gcc-4.0 while I go to class for a while???
[01:57] <Mez> siretart, ping
[02:11] <Tonio> little question concerning the licence in the copyright folder in a package
[02:11] <tseng> Lathiat:
[02:11] <tseng> Lathiat:s:f:g
[02:11] <Tonio> supposing the licence is GPL, do I just have to paste the gpl licence .
[02:12] <tseng> i typed l:
[02:12] <Tonio> ?
[02:12] <Lathiat> tseng: well uh
[02:12] <Lathiat> tseng: yourou have somethign sucky somewhere
[02:12] <tseng> Lathiat: like a regex
[02:13] <tseng> l:s:f:g
[02:13] <tseng> rock on.
[02:13] <Lathiat> tseng: :)
[02:25] <SloMo_> gn8 everybody :)
[02:26] <bddebian> Gnight SloMo_
[02:51] <tseng> \sh_away: interested in checking out mythtv? looks like C++ vs gcc4 issue to me
[02:51] <tseng> \sh_away: on my latest test build
[02:51] <ajmitch> hey tseng
[02:52] <tseng> hi
[02:52] <tseng> im updating my desktop to breezy
[02:52] <tseng> for kicks
[02:53] <ajmitch> lovely
[02:53] <ajmitch> I think there's still X breakage
[02:54] <tseng> i know the gorey details
[02:54] <tseng> ive been runny breezy on my laptop (main machine) since it opened
[02:55] <Burgundavia> actually, the people that updated early (like myself), seem to have a better time of it
[02:55] <tseng> meh
[02:55] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: yeah, I haven't shut down my X server for a few weeks
[02:55] <ajmitch> so things still run for me
[02:55] <chillywilly> hi ajmitch
[02:55] <ajmitch> hello chillywilly
[02:55] <tseng> i havent had X break badly enough yet that i couldnt fix
[02:55] <tseng> and i update every day
[02:55] <tseng> you guys just arent persistant enough
[02:56] <ajmitch> xlibs still fails with /etc/X11/xkb stuff here
[02:56] <tseng> or you want to press funnny keys on non-US keyboards
[02:56] <ajmitch> again
[02:56] <Burgundavia> I have only had X not start once
[02:56] <tseng> ajmitch: dude i fixed that by hand days ago
[02:56] <ajmitch> tseng: congratulations
[02:56] <tseng> ill fix it again
[02:56] <ajmitch> I've done that once, first time it broke
[02:56] <bddebian> Yeah ajmitch :-)
[02:56] <tseng> no big deal
[02:56] <tseng> damn naysayers
[02:56] <chillywilly> settle down fellas
[02:57] <tseng> dude
[02:57] <chillywilly> don't make we whip the trout out
[02:57] <bddebian> heh
[02:57] <chillywilly> I'll do it ;)
[02:58] <ajmitch> you have the right to make jokes in here only after you've got a few packages uploaded
[02:58] <bddebian> Hmm, does that include me too?
[02:58] <chillywilly> pffft
[02:58] <chillywilly> ajmitch: you need to loosen up some
[02:59] <bddebian> chillywilly: Don't work, tseng hates me too :-)
[02:59] <bddebian> Err s/work/worry
[02:59] <chillywilly> but I *thought* ajmitchie was my buddy
[03:00] <bddebian> :-)
[03:00] <chillywilly> we go back a long way ;)
[03:00] <chillywilly> I remember when ajmitchie used to run mandrake ;)
[03:00] <ajmitch> that was a long time ago
[03:00] <bddebian> haha
[03:00] <bddebian> Mandark
[03:00] <ajmitch> I don't admit to that anymore
[03:00] <chillywilly> lol
[03:01] <tseng> oh man
[03:01] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, I ran into a nasty bug with networkmanager and X being dead
[03:01] <bddebian> chillywilly is probably the only person in here who has a chance of knowing who Mandark is.. ;-P
[03:01] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: I haven't used networkmanager yet
[03:02] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, nm kills networking without the whole thing running (which requires X)
[03:02] <Burgundavia> so I couldn't update anything
[03:02] <bddebian> Ugh, why?
[03:02] <chillywilly> I am building a VPN for MX
[03:02] <chillywilly> I thought it would be fun ;)
[03:03] <ajmitch> chillywilly: so when will you be helping out with motu work? :)
[03:03] <chillywilly> hey Ic an ping the end-points of the tunnel and hosts in each private subnet...just gotta get samba to cooperate
[03:03] <chillywilly> *sigh*
[03:04] <bddebian> chillywilly: Which side is wins on or are you trying to make Samba the WINS?
[03:04] <chillywilly> ajmitch: hey, I at least have a vague idea of how it's al done now :)
[03:04] <chillywilly> all*
[03:04] <ajmitch> chillywilly: great, you can start fixing stuff then
[03:04] <bddebian> ajmitch is a slave driver
[03:04] <tseng> yes plz
[03:05] <chillywilly> bddebian: the openvpn server end of the tunnel is the WINS server now
[03:05] <chillywilly> 10.8.0.1 or some such
[03:05] <tseng> *then* you can give me crap about trout
[03:05] <bddebian> chillywilly: Are you getting name resolution at all?
[03:05] <chillywilly> bddebian: nope
[03:05] <chillywilly> not across the tunnel
[03:05] <chillywilly> think I will read through the howto book anyway
[03:05] <bddebian> Add a hosts entry ;-P
[03:06] <chillywilly> yea I suppose I could do that, but should I have to?
[03:06] <chillywilly> I only have wins in the resolve line
[03:07] <ajmitch> ah, snacc has a nice big diff..
[03:07] <bddebian> WINS can be problematic across routers. You'd be better off with dns or hosts
[03:07] <chillywilly> bah
[03:08] <crimsun> nah, he's probably strangling xorg
[03:08] <bddebian> :-)
[03:08] <ajmitch> bddebian: I added a comment about dropping all ubuntu changes to hardware-monitr, if you don't mind :)
[03:08] <tritium> hello all
[03:08] <bddebian> Of course it probably doesn't help that I am annoying.. :-)
[03:08] <tseng> hi
[03:08] <bddebian> ajmitch: Isn't that what I said in my comment?
[03:09] <bddebian> Hello again tritium :-)
[03:09] <chillywilly> I don't think it wants to use the tunnel because it is not a broadcast interface
[03:09] <ajmitch> bddebian: no, you said that the ubuntu dropped parts can be ignored
[03:09] <ajmitch> I'm saying that it can be a straight sync, drop all ubuntu changes
[03:09] <bddebian> Ooohh
[03:10] <ajmitch> minimising changes is good, it means we don't have to sync it next time round :)
[03:10] <tritium> bddebian, want to give me a tutorial on merging? From today's meeting where you got recognition for it, I figure you're good at it :)
[03:10] <bddebian> tritium: Nah, I suck :-)
[03:10] <bddebian> tritium: Whatdo you want to know? ( I keep meaning to put up a wiki )
[03:11] <bddebian> tseng: What is the packagename for mythtv?
[03:11] <tritium> bddebian, teach me everything you know, master jedi
[03:12] <tritium> I've been gone so long, I want the Merging 101 with illustrations course
[03:12] <ajmitch> tritium: grab merge files from MOM, read REPORT, do as it says ;)
[03:12] <tseng> bddebian: mythtv?
[03:13] <crimsun> the REPORT's fairly useful
[03:13] <tritium> ajmitch, many thanks. Please tell me what your scripts do?
[03:13] <ajmitch> check that it builds, works as intended, and that unwanted changes haven't crept in
[03:13] <ajmitch> tritium: just some things to run wget, put the files in a new directory
[03:13] <ajmitch> and a script to get a list of changed packages with regards to sid
[03:14] <tritium> are you making them available?
[03:14] <havoc> mmm, oregano
[03:14] <ajmitch> no, a 3 line shell script isn't something I'd normally think to publish :)
[03:15] <chillywilly> hey havoc
[03:15] <tritium> ajmitch, okay ;)
[03:16] <ajmitch> tritium: mkdir, cd, and wget don't make for interesting reading
[03:16] <tritium> fair enough
[03:17] <bddebian> tseng: apt-get source myth-tv yeilds nothing
[03:17] <tseng> i didnt say myth-tv
[03:17] <tseng> not once.
[03:17] <ajmitch> tritium: some packages you may wish to merge changes by hand instead of relying on MOM
[03:17] <bddebian> I meant mythtv, that was a typo
[03:18] <ajmitch> especially when it's useless config.* changes
[03:18] <tseng> well, its there
[03:18] <ajmitch> bddebian: look in multiverse kthx
[03:18] <bddebian> I should have universe/multiverse
[03:18] <tritium> ajmitch, okay, thanks. Let me orient myself a bit here...
[03:19] <bddebian> tritium: Sorry, ajmitch is obviously faster than me.. :-)
[03:19] <ajmitch> bddebian: good, because it's there, under the name of mythtv
[03:19] <tritium> bddebian, no problem
[03:21] <bddebian> Bah, why am I bother with shit in multiverse? :-)
[03:23] <bddebian> Hey mythtv_0.18.2 whatya know.. :-)
[03:24] <bddebian> ajmitch: Oh, I should show you his reply
[03:25] <bddebian> brb.. smoke
[03:25] <ajmitch> was it a private mail?
[03:25] <chillywilly> who told him not to associate with ubuntu?
[03:26] <ajmitch> RMS, of course :)
[03:26] <chillywilly> are you serious?!?
[03:27] <ajmitch> ubuntu distributes non-free software
[03:27] <chillywilly> so does everyone else
[03:27] <crimsun> brb
[03:31] <bddebian> ack, why is mythtv using gcc-3.3...??
[03:45] <tseng> so after all that
[03:45] <tseng> X still cant find fixed
[03:45] <tseng> wtf
[03:45] <tseng> fixed the font paths
[03:45] <tseng> what was the fix for that?
[03:46] <bddebian> Why does common.h fail on lines 61 and 65 and not 63. Makes no sense..
[03:46] <bddebian> Ohh, nm
[03:49] <bddebian> tseng: Why not pull the newer version from upstream?
[03:49] <bddebian> Because of UVF?
[03:49] <tseng> the newer version only has small fixes
[03:49] <tseng> we can proabbly get it approved
[03:49] <tseng> if it started building
[03:50] <tseng> BWAR you made me miss grub
[03:50] <bddebian> Supposedly if has gcc4 fixes according to a Fedora mailing list
[03:50] <tseng> hm
[03:50] <tseng> can you test it ?
[03:51] <bddebian> Sure but building packages from scratch isn't exaclty my strong suite yet :-)
[03:51] <tseng> the build at least, i can test using it
[03:51] <tseng> dude its not "from scratch"
[03:52] <bddebian> Well I mean from upstream source :-)
[03:52] <tseng> meh
[04:00] <ajmitch> yeah, we need hct, it sounds like good crack
[04:01] <ajmitch> might make some of this merging a bit saner
[04:01] <bddebian> hct?
[04:01] <bddebian> tseng: Trying now
[04:01] <ajmitch> hypothetical changeset tool
[04:01] <bddebian> Ahh
[04:01] <bddebian> Speaking of which, is debdiff fixed in main yet?
[04:05] <bddebian> Nope.. :-)
[04:12] <bddebian> Damn mythtv is as bad or worse than octave
[04:14] <bddebian> tseng: Do you know if mythplugins and myththemes are built into the current package?
[04:30] <crimsun> wow
[04:30] <crimsun> these Xfce-related ones will disappear once 4.2.2 from os-works is merged
[04:31] <bddebian> Glad I didn't start on those yet then :)
[04:32] <crimsun> yeah, we need to merge them from os-works, so you'll want to ignore the xf* ones
[04:40] <crimsun> bbl
[04:42] <bddebian> tseng: Dunno if you are still around or not but the updates from svn for mythtv get ALOT further. Now it chokes on a missing class declaration in libmpeg (I think)
[04:56] <bddebian> If a merged package FTBFS due to missing dependency, what should I tag it as? UPSTREAM?
[05:20] <Tonio> someone out there ?
[05:20] <bddebian> Nope :)
[05:20] <Tonio> lol
[05:21] <Tonio> bddebian: can you revue packages ? because I think all the problems in my packages are resolved, but before uploading everything, I'd just like to see if it seems correct ;)
[05:21] <bddebian> Whassup? Not that I can help but I'll try
[05:21] <bddebian> Tonio: No, I'm not an MOTU, sorry
[05:21] <Tonio> okay ;)
[05:22] <Tonio> I'll start the upgrade and we'll see ;)
[05:26] <bddebian> Good luck :-)
[05:37] <ajmitch> looks like you have a good list of merge bugs there bddebian ;)
[05:38] <bddebian> like anyone cares.. :'-(
[05:38] <bddebian> ;-P
[05:38] <ajmitch> bah, stop whining :P
[05:38] <bddebian> OK, the ubuntu dropped patches for caudium are just weird
[05:39] <crimsun> caudium was pretty crazy
[05:39] <bddebian> And ignoring those, caudium wants pike7.6-dev (>= 7.6.27-2) and we have 7.6.24-1ubuntu1
[05:40] <crimsun> yup, the whole pike7.x mess
[05:40] <bddebian> So leave it for now?
[05:40] <crimsun> go for it if you'd like
[05:41] <bddebian> How would I get around the pike build-dep?
[05:42] <bddebian> Lower the dep and try it or try to get a newer pike from Debian?
[05:43] <crimsun> the best bet is to try with the newest pike7.6 from Debian
[05:44] <ajmitch> copy & paste of patch doesn't work too well at times :)
[05:45] <chillywilly> lalala
[05:45] <bddebian> chillywilly: Is that some new package you are building?
[05:45] <ajmitch> yes, very useful, chillywilly :P
[05:45] <chillywilly> :)
[05:46] <chillywilly> crikey, you guys are relentless
[05:46] <bddebian> chillywilly: :-*
[05:46] <bddebian> ajmitch: What did I do wrong with libccaudio?
[05:47] <ajmitch> bddebian: nothing, I'm about to upload it
[05:48] <bddebian> ajmitch: I thought you said you had to fix it?
[05:49] <bddebian> Welcome ogra and ogra's daemon :-)
[05:49] <Amaranth> he is susus too?
[05:49] <ajmitch> bddebian: I had to clean up the patch that I copied & pasted
[05:49] <bddebian> Hmm, maybe :-)
[05:49] <crimsun> (s)he?
[05:49] <bddebian> ajmitch: Ahh, OK
[05:49] <ajmitch> a simple tabs/spaces issue
[05:50] <Amaranth> crimsun: susus, ogra, and ogra_d are all the same exact hostmask and joined at the same time.
[05:50] <crimsun> Amaranth, yep. Who knows who really lurks behind those nicks?
[05:54] <bddebian> MOM does some weird shit sometimes or we have OLD patches lying around
[05:55] <crimsun> both
[05:56] <bddebian> How can albatros build python2.3-albatross without build-depending python2.3?
[06:05] <tritium> hm, I can't setup a breezy chroot, as it fails with error E: couldn't download libiw27
[06:06] <tritium> I have a pbuilder chroot setup and ready, but in order to test packages built in pbuilder, I also wanted a separate chroot
[06:08] <bddebian> Build a local apt repository :-)
[06:11] <crimsun> tritium, I've always built a Hoary chroot/pbuilder and dist-upgraded to Breezy
[06:12] <bddebian> Aye, that is what I ended up having to do with pbuilder
[06:12] <tritium> I guess that's a possibility. I held off running breezy, as I wanted stability until I finished my research/dissertation
[06:13] <crimsun> even at the moment, it's not advisable to run full-blown Breezy til Xorg is straightened out
[06:13] <tritium> yeah, that's another reason I was planning on a chroot
[06:14] <ajmitch> it'll make the merge list look trivial
[06:15] <ajmitch> or the FTBFS list when someone decides to rebuild the archive
[06:15] <ajmitch> as happened with hoary
[06:15] <lamont> anyone working on ghc6 source fixes?
[06:15] <bddebian> sistpoty was
[06:16] <bddebian> I think it still needs ghc6-bootstrap to build haskel-utils, but ghc6-bootstrap is on REVU
[06:16] <bddebian> But don't quote me
[06:25] <lamont> well, it's ftbfs because of gcc-4.0 errors... I'm playing with 6.4-4ubuntu1 some now
[06:26] <bddebian> You got around the haskel-utils build-dep?
[06:27] <lamont> uh, well...
[06:27] <lamont> I made libgmp3 exist
[06:34] <crimsun> Z time
[06:36] <chillywilly> bddebian: you better get to bed soon before you end up sleeping on the couch ;)
[06:36] <bddebian> chillywilly: Aye no kidding :-)
[06:41] <bddebian> And the MOTUToMerge list..
[06:43] <chillywilly> mmm, cheesesteak
[06:43] <chillywilly> such fun...
[06:43] <bddebian> Heh
[06:43] <ajmitch> you poor fellow
[06:53] <jbailey> Hmm
[06:54] <jbailey> What is this, the former Hurd crowd invades #ubunu-motu? =)
[06:54] <bddebian> Heh
[06:54] <bddebian> What do you mean "former" ? ;-)
[06:54] <jbailey> =)
[06:55] <bddebian> Updating dependencies...make[5] : *** [.deps.o] Error 127 WTF is that??
[06:55] <ajmitch> hey jeff
[06:55] <jbailey> bddebian: A 7-bit all ones?
[06:55] <jbailey> G'm Andrew
[06:55] <ajmitch> how are you?
[06:55] <jbailey> Sleepy.
[06:56] <jbailey> But I've just uplaoded a new initramfs-tools that I want to put out a call for testers for.
[06:56] <jbailey> So I'm waiting until it hits the archive.
[06:58] <lamont> Interpreter.c: In function 'interpretBCO':
[06:58] <lamont> Interpreter.c:1054: error: invalid lvalue in unary '&'
[06:58] <lamont> Interpreter.c:1067: error: invalid lvalue in unary '&'
[06:58] <lamont> Interpreter.c:1080: error: invalid lvalue in unary '&'
[06:58] <lamont> Interpreter.c:1093: error: invalid lvalue in unary '&'
[06:59] <lamont> kthxbye
[06:59] <bddebian> Doh
[07:01] <jbailey> Is there an easy way to tell dpkg-source -b to not include .bzr / {arch} / whatever directories in the source?
[07:01] <lamont> jbailey: debuild -i
[07:01] <lamont> er, debuild -i -S :-)
[07:02] <jbailey> lamont: Ooo, thanks. =)
[07:02] <lamont> although it might need some love to know about .bzr
[07:02] <ajmitch> 86 merge bugs still open for us..
[07:02] <bddebian> Shouldn't be..
[07:03] <jbailey> Hmm. debuild -i.bzr -S didn't do it.
[07:04] <lamont> -i doesn't take args
[07:04] <lamont> it just knows
[07:04] <jbailey> Oh>
[07:04] <jbailey> The manpage for dpkg-buildpackage has:
[07:04] <jbailey> -i[<regexp>]
[07:04] <lamont> oh, ok
[07:04] <jbailey> doesn't matter, you could still be right.
[07:04] <jbailey> It's not like it worked. =)
[07:05] <jbailey> Oh, it's for the diff.
[07:05] <jbailey> This is a native package (initramfs-tools)
[07:05] <lamont> tar --exclude=... :-)
[07:08] <jbailey> I need to create a bzr-buildpackage
[07:08] <Unfrgiven> hi all
[07:09] <tritium> yay, building breezy's debootstrap on hoary worked. I have a breezy chroot now
[07:09] <bddebian> Yeah..
[07:09] <bddebian> Hello Unfrgiven
[07:09] <tritium> heh
[07:09] <bddebian> OK, well I better get to bed. Gnight folks. Enjoy
[07:10] <tritium> good night, bddebian
[07:10] <Unfrgiven> bddebian: gnite
[07:10] <chillywilly> jeffy
[08:03] <siretart> morning
[08:03] <siretart> lamont: I will look more deeply into ghc for gcc4 and report back.
[08:07] <ajmitch> hi siretart
[08:08] <siretart> huhu Andrew
[08:22] <Tonio> hi
[08:22] <Unfrgiven> Tonio: hi
[08:24] <Tonio> Unfrgiven: I should have said good night, 8:30 am here in france and still not to bed....
[08:24] <Unfrgiven> Tonio: you were up the whole night?
[08:24] <Tonio> yep
[08:25] <Tonio> very knew to debian's world, but I really want to learn how to build packages correctly ;)
[08:25] <Tonio> I think now it is okay ^^
[08:25] <Tonio> well I hope, let's see the revus....
[08:26] <Unfrgiven> Tonio: cool :)
[08:26] <Unfrgiven> siretart: ping?
[08:31] <ajmitch> hey Unfrgiven , Tonio
[08:32] <Tonio> ajmitch: yep ?
[08:33] <ajmitch> just saying hi..
[08:33] <Tonio> hey = hi, okay ;)
[08:33] <Tonio> here in france hey is a way to call someone to tell him something so.....
[08:35] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: hey dude
[08:35] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: how r ya
[08:35] <Tonio> ajmitch: so, hey ;)
[08:35] <siretart> Unfrgiven: bug quick, I need to get to work ;)
[08:35] <ajmitch> doing well, how about you?
[08:35] <siretart> s/bug/but/
[08:36] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: how are those intro developer docs going?
[08:36] <siretart> huhu Tonio :)
[08:36] <Tonio> hi siretart ;)
[08:36] <Tonio> siretart: I hope the packages are good this time, cause I spent time....
[08:37] <siretart> Tonio: I'm currently too busy this week to do reviews, but we have new reviewers: Mez and slomo :)
[08:38] <Tonio> siretart: no pb, I'll see with Riddell too, he told me to tell him when the list is all packaged ;)
[08:39] <siretart> super
[08:39] <siretart> ok. I'm off to uni now. cu later!
[08:39] <Tonio> still 4 apps to finish and I go to bed...
[09:07] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: sorry was away... about to head off from work
[09:07] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: ive been away/sick for the last 4 weeks and hence there hasn't been much progress on the docs. i really should wrap them up. ill do what i can to get them out the door asap
[09:09] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: that's ok, I've been pretty busy too
[09:18] <Burgundavia> Unfrgiven, what format are they in?
[09:39] <Lathiat> yay my box of hoary cds rocked up today
[09:40] <jsgotangco> wow that took a while
[09:40] <Treenaks> mine haven't even been sent yet
[09:40] <Lathiat> yeh well its a shame mine didnt come earlier but oh well
[09:41] <Burgundavia> those who got warty cds got lower priority
[09:42] <Treenaks> Burgundavia: I know
[09:43] <Lathiat> Burgundavia: ah so i should have opened a new account? ;p
[09:43] <Lathiat> well hoary is a kicking release, i can go nuts giving them away now
[09:44] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:44] <Burgundavia> and the release path is going to be easy
[09:44] <Burgundavia> we may care about getting the latest crack, but grandma isn;t
[09:44] <Lathiat> well hoary is pretty good
[09:48] <\sh> morning
[09:50] <Valandil> good morning :))
[09:51] <Tonio-> good morning!
[09:58] <\sh> SloMo_: ping ;)
[09:59] <comadreja> goor morning motus
[09:59] <comadreja> s/goor/good :D
[10:11] <siretart> re
[10:36] <\sh> doko: ping u need some help with libcurl3?
[10:36] <doko> no, already done
[10:37] <\sh> doko: k
[10:54] <HostingGeek> Could we get this in the ubuntu web site
[10:55] <HostingGeek> http://www.mambocurve.com/
[10:55] <HostingGeek> some thing like that but way better...
[11:02] <\sh> HostingGeek: #ubuntu-devel
[11:03] <\sh> and I don't like those games...it's not user friendly..and slow
[11:03] <HostingGeek> --- Cannot join #ubuntu-devel (You are banned).
[11:03] <HostingGeek> hmm
[11:10] <\sh> HostingGeek: what did u do?
[11:10] <HostingGeek> \sh: I have been banned from every channel bob2 has been an OP in for the past few years
[11:40] <Burgundavia> I need an ftp that needs login to test a bug, anybody got one that I can test?
[11:42] <\sh> Burgundavia: u need a ftp account with userlogin?
[11:42] <\sh> Burgundavia: give me 3 mins
[11:43] <ajmitch> sigh, I wish this scanner would just work :)
[11:43] <Burgundavia> \sh, cheers
[11:43] <Burgundavia> \sh, you running breezy>
[11:44] <\sh> burgundavia: on the server is hoary
[11:45] <Burgundavia> need breezy nautilus to test this bug
[12:17] <ajmitch> but what should I set it as in bugzilla?
[12:17] <jan1> anybody running the latest xorg (-43) ?
[12:18] <Burgundavia> yes
[12:18] <jan1> apt-cache show xbase-clients
[12:19] <jan1> gives me the -42 version
[12:19] <\sh> is the latest
[12:19] <\sh> correct
[12:19] <jan1> and the package it empty except some docs
[12:19] <\sh> it's purpose until daniels fix xorg
[12:20] <jan1> so I gt no startx and other commands
[12:20] <jan1> what gives dpkg -S startx for you?
[12:20] <tseng> there is not startx
[12:20] <tseng> you arent going to find it.
[12:20] <\sh> same applies to the spoon
[12:20] <jan1> obsoleted, or just MIA at the moment?
[12:21] <tseng> ^^" until daniels fix xorg
[12:21] <\sh> DIA is a better abbrev.
[12:21] <jan1> so how do you guys run X right now?
[12:21] <\sh> kdm is just fine
[12:22] <\sh> with some tricks
[12:22] <jan1> ok thanks
[12:23] <JRe> Anyone know who is Anthony Mercatante ?
[12:23] <ajmitch> I just don't shutdown the running X server
[12:23] <ajmitch> X forwarding to other hosts has broken now though :)
[12:26] <siretart> JRe: I think that could be Tonio
[12:26] <JRe> siretart: okay you're right i think it is =) thanks!
[12:34] <ogra> ajmitch, use ssh :)
[12:36] <\sh> i have to switch to gnome for some tests
[12:36] <\sh> brb
[12:58] <Mez> I prob wont be here for review day tomorrow
[12:58] <Mez> so doing some now
[01:07] <siretart> Mez: ping
[01:07] <Mez> siretart: pong
[01:07] <Mez> sup?
[01:07] <ajmitch> ogra: as I said, ssh x forwarding didn't work.. :)
[01:07] <ogra> oh
[01:07] <ajmitch> xauth is missing
[01:08] <ajmitch> so I used 'scanimage' to get what I needed
[01:08] <ogra> i thougt that was solved... hmm
[01:08] <siretart> Mez: I'd like to request wifi-radar to be backported, as soon as it hits breezy (needing only one more review in revu, irrc)
[01:08] <siretart> iirc, even
[01:08] <siretart> Mez: would that be possible?
[01:08] <Mez> siretart : we can try
[01:08] <Mez> though looking at it
[01:08] <ogra> ajmitch, fabbione has a single xauth binary on p.u.c, grab that, copy it to /usr/bin and make it executable
[01:09] <Mez> IT's only had one person advocate it
[01:09] <ajmitch> ogra: ok..
[01:18] <\sh> Mithrandir: ping
[01:34] <Mez> hmm
[01:34] <Mez> in REVU someone has
[01:34] <Mez> Debian packager:
[01:34] <Mez> Copyright 2005 Jean-Remy Falleri <[email protected]>
[01:34] <Mez> in the debian/copyright
[01:34] <Mez> I dont think that should be there ...
[01:35] <Mez> or is it allowed
[01:35] <Mez> it's questionable whether you can copyright the creation of a package or not
[01:35] <Mez> as it's done through dh_make
[01:36] <JRe> Mez: i took exemple on a debian package
[01:36] <Mez> JRe, I'm sure you did, I'm just not sure if it's right
[01:37] <Mez> ogra: it's a new package
[01:37] <ogra> ah
[01:37] <Mez> I'm just wondering if it should be there... copyrighting the "package"
[01:37] <ajmitch> probably not
[01:38] <ogra> Mez, normally the first line in the copyright file tells you about the packager, that should be sufficient
[01:38] <Mez> there you go JRe. .. :D
[01:38] <ogra> This package was debianized by ... on
[01:38] <ogra> Fri, 24 Oct 2003 22:54:43 +0200.
[01:38] <Mez> other than that the package looks fine
[01:39] <JRe> ok 'ill cut out the copyright
[01:39] <Mez> :D
[01:39] <Mez> and reupload and I'll advocate :D
[01:40] <JRe> :)
[01:44] <Mez> :D
[01:44] <Mez> lol
[01:44] <Mez> (well archives them :P)
[01:49] <ajmitch> Mez: why so many archived? :)
[01:56] <Mez> cause they need work,m and wont get 3 advocates
[01:57] <Mez> under siretart's instructions :D
[01:58] <SloMo_> Mez: can you request a gkrellm backport? :) this was asked months ago in the forums and now we finally have the new version in breezy
[01:58] <SloMo_> \sh: pong
[02:00] <Mez> SloMo_, i can try
[02:01] <\sh> SloMo_: imms?
[02:02] <SloMo_> \sh: yes... have you looked at it on amd64? ;)
[02:02] <\sh> SloMo_: i don't have an reactivated account right now :(
[02:03] <SloMo_> \sh: hm :( and i can't fix it without an amd64 machine...
[02:03] <SloMo_> \sh: btw, you fixed grip on amd64... seems like a similar error ;) maybe X on amd64 is more broken than on other architectures?
[02:05] <\sh> no..grip is not fixed
[02:05] <ajmitch> time for sleep, night all
[02:05] <\sh> libXrender.la issues again...and it should not occure
[02:06] <\sh> but only on this arch
[02:06] <\sh> trying to fix fbi now
[03:17] <\sh> peter grundstrom?
[03:17] <\sh> pete at openfestis.com?
[03:17] <\sh> here?
[03:18] <\sh> pete: ping
[03:18] <\sh> :)
[03:20] <Amaranth> idle 3 hours
[03:21] <\sh> yeah
[03:21] <\sh> hope he's reading bugzilla mails from ubuntu ;)
[03:23] <pete> \sh: yes I'm here
[03:24] <\sh> pete: the patch for package X ;-) please provide the patch
[03:24] <\sh> for gcc4
[03:24] <\sh> and please build the packages via pbuilder to test...qiv was missing a dpatch build-dep
[03:25] <pete> \sh: the gcc patch is there "new merge patch with gcc4.0 fix"
[03:25] <\sh> pete: so it's included already...so I didn't catch your comment correctly..sorry for that
[03:28] <pete> \sh: the merge-patch for qiv makes it build-depend on dpatch
[03:28] <\sh> pete: provide debdiffs ;)
[03:29] <pete> \sh: and I do build the packages in pbuilder to test
[03:29] <\sh> it's easier for us then :)
[03:39] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:40] <tritium> Good morning, bddebian
[03:40] <bddebian> Heya tritium, how goes it?
[03:40] <tritium> Not bad, you?
[03:41] <bddebian> \sh: Hey, I swore I put python2.3, dia, tetex-*, etc in that diff. I even had to go back in and hack it manually..???
[03:41] <bddebian> tritium: Fair to midland I suppose
[03:41] <tritium> that's a good start, I suppose ;)
[03:41] <\sh> bddebian: the patch wasn't really working..dunno why...anyways..the rest was fine
[03:42] <bddebian> \sh: No worries. I was getting a little late so who knows.. :-)
[03:42] <bddebian> tseng: ping?
[03:42] <bddebian> lamont: ping?
[03:45] <pete> \sh: the debdiff became identical with my other patch, why didn't that one do?
[03:49] <\sh> pete: sorry...I didn't see the debdiff..*grrrbangingmouseonthedesk*
[03:50] <\sh> pete: but anyways
[03:50] <\sh> * Resynchronise with Debian. * Added dpatch to build-deps * Sponsored for Peter Grundstroem (Closes Ubuntu: #11142)
[04:04] <bddebian> Holy moly, could vlc possibly have any more build-deps??? Sheesh.
[04:11] <Amaranth> hahaha
[04:11] <Amaranth> did you sync with sid?
[04:11] <bddebian> Amaranth: Me?
[04:11] <Amaranth> anyone
[04:11] <Amaranth> and what happened to us getting wxwidgets2.6?
[04:24] <bddebian> lamont__: What were you saying last night about ghc6-bootstrap not buidling on gcc4? Is that the one posted on REVU?
[04:24] <lamont__> bddebian: source in the archive... there is no other
[04:24] <siretart> bddebian: he meant ghc6 in the archive
[04:25] <lamont__> bddebian: and yes, I meant ghc6, not ghc6-bootstrap
[04:26] <bddebian> Ohh, sorry
[04:50] <bddebian> We don't have libwxgtk2.5-dev ??
[04:57] <Amaranth> no
[04:58] <Amaranth> it got removed just like it did in debian
[04:58] <bddebian> But we have libwxgtk2.5.3!!??
[04:58] <Amaranth> no we don't
[04:58] <bddebian> It shows up for me
[04:58] <\sh> we don't have
[04:58] <\sh> latest package is 2.4
[04:59] <Amaranth> i think array 7 was the last to have it
[04:59] <bddebian> Shix, and here I am wasting all this time on VLC.. :'-(
[04:59] <\sh> doko: will u include libwxgtk2.6 in breezy?
[05:00] <\sh> bddebian: u don't read #ubuntu-devel, right?
[05:00] <\sh> bddebian: yesterday I had this problem with xchm..their was a source package with libwxgtk2.5 in the queue in dep-wait..and I uploaded with 2.4 to build...
[05:01] <bddebian> \sh: No I don't. SHould I? :-)
[05:01] <\sh> bddebian: why not :)
[05:01] <doko> \sh: it's proposed
[05:02] <bddebian> Because I'm not an ubuntu developer? :-)
[05:03] <\sh> bddebian: excuses excuses
[05:13] <Nafallo> bddebian: what are you then? MOTUs are as much Ubuntu Developers like those hired.
[05:13] <Nafallo> bddebian: and you are walking that path :-)
[05:13] <bddebian> Nafallo: I'm not an MOTU :-)
[05:13] <Nafallo> bddebian: ... yet
[05:14] <\sh> bah..every single time I hear this "I'm not an motu" MOTU is not a status for being a developer at all...
[05:15] <bddebian> I know, I didn't say that :-)
[05:15] <\sh> < bddebian> Nafallo: I'm not an MOTU :-)
[05:15] <\sh> 17:02 < bddebian> Because I'm not an ubuntu developer? :-)
[05:15] <bddebian> \sh: Those are factual. I am neither :-)
[05:16] <Nafallo> bddebian: there are developers working on Ubuntu that are neither hired, nor MOTUs too. :-)
[05:17] <Nafallo> most of those are hopefully struggling to become MOTUs though ;-)
[05:17] <bddebian> I am sure that there are.
[05:18] <bddebian> \sh: My point exactly. And I barely consider myself a sysadmin when it comes to *nix platforms ;)
[05:18] <Nafallo> \sh: so you haven't really made that kde-torrent thing then? :-)
[05:18] <\sh> I would never consider myself a windows admin ,-)
[05:19] <\sh> Nafallo: actually...I'm trying to find the time for this goody
[05:19] <bddebian> So I may as well not bother with vlc or should I try with libwxgtk2.4 ?
[05:19] <\sh> I think in between breezy and breezy+1
[05:19] <\sh> bddebian: yes
[05:19] <bddebian> Uhm, yes to which? :-)
[05:19] <\sh> libwxgtk2.4
[05:19] <bddebian> OK, thx
[05:20] <\sh> I would never say no to "don't bother with vlc"
[05:20] <\sh> what did I say now? I need to find the logic
[05:20] <Amaranth> users will smite you
[05:20] <Nafallo> hmm, OT-question. how many gerbils shall me and my girlie have? ;-)
[05:20] <bddebian> Uhhh
[05:20] <Amaranth> i tried getting vlc 0.8.2 from sid running with wxwidgets2.6 but vlc's ./configure was being a pest
[05:20] <ogra> Nafallo, do you want a vote ? write a wikipage please ;)
[05:21] <bddebian> Amaranth: So you are working on this?
[05:21] <\sh> gerbils?
[05:21] <Amaranth> bddebian: not anymore, no
[05:21] <ogra> we can post this in #ubuntu .... to get more opinions...
[05:21] <\sh> dict:gerbils
[05:21] <bddebian> Amaranth: But you are saying don't try it with 2.4?
[05:21] <\sh> !ogra gerbils
[05:21] <Amaranth> bddebian: go ahead, i gave up waiting for 2.6
[05:21] <Nafallo> ogra: naah. we just can't decide if we shall buy the one we bought todays brother or not :-). he looked so damn lonely...
[05:21] <ogra> \sh, use your imagination
[05:21] <Amaranth> yeah, i only tried with 2.6
[05:21] <SloMo_> Nafallo: what about two then? ;)
[05:21] <Nafallo> SloMo_: we got two :-)
[05:21] <\sh> ogra: babies
[05:22] <Nafallo> SloMo_: we ponders three ;-)
[05:22] <bddebian> Nafallo: 2 or 4 trust me. :-) I have 3 ;-P
[05:22] <Nafallo> Mithrandir and Simira has 3 now :-)
[05:22] <Nafallo> aswell.
[05:23] <Nafallo> \sh: naah. look up gerbil instead ;-)
[05:23] <Amaranth> 2 is 3 too many
[05:23] <SloMo_> bddebian: yeah... better two pairs than one pair and one loner ;)
[05:23] <\sh> lol
[05:23] <bddebian> SloMo_: Aye, exactly :-)
[05:24] <Nafallo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerbil
[05:24] <Nafallo> :-)
[05:24] <ogra> \sh, but it could be a baby replacement :)
[05:24] <\sh> *click* as I said: babies..make babies
[05:24] <\sh> wuestenrennmaeuse <- gerbil
[05:24] <\sh> oh god
[05:24] <\sh> I don't have even a desert for those mice
[05:25] <ogra> Nafallo, how about a kitten... i'll have a handfull soon... my male cat showed us last week that it is not male at all....
[05:25] <\sh> *rotflbtc*
[05:25] <SloMo_> \sh: lol... i'm afraid nafallo hasn't one too... i don't know of any deserts in sweden ;)
[05:25] <\sh> ogra: this u can see normally
[05:26] <Nafallo> hehe
[05:26] <\sh> ogra: u know..there is a small but noticable difference between a male or female cat ,-)
[05:27] <ogra> \sh, yes... the males are the ones on top ;)
[05:27] <bddebian> hahaha
[05:27] <Nafallo> ogra: you're not laying _on top_ of the cat now, are you?
[05:27] <\sh> ogra: u should have known it by heart...if the cat wants to (you know) it comes all the time to a male..even when he's human ;-)
[05:28] <ogra> \sh, to many male cats around here... i just havent seen her for some days .... then she came back with her friend and showed us she's no boy :)
[05:28] <\sh> totally OT but funny...ogras male cat is a female...but u didn't bought it from a brazilian dealer, right? *lol*
[05:28] <ogra> Nafallo, heh, nope
[05:29] <ogra> \sh, hmmm... you mean its a brazilian conspiration that cats change their sex ?
[05:29] <bddebian> WTF is libpostproc-dev??
[05:30] <\sh> ogra: yes :)
[05:30] <\sh> it must be ;)
[05:30] <Nafallo> bddebian: a lib with develstuff I would guess :-)?
[05:30] <bddebian> WOW, thanks man :-)
[05:30] <bddebian> And we don't have it and vlc wants it
[05:30] <SloMo_> bddebian: libpostproc is either a mplayer or a transcode lib ;)
[05:31] <Nafallo> bddebian: we have it btw
[05:31] <Nafallo> bddebian: it's in multiverse
[05:33] <\sh> Package: ffmpeg
[05:33] <\sh> Binary: libavformat-dev, libavcodec-dev, libpostproc-dev, ffmpeg
[05:34] <bddebian> Nafallo: I can't get it
[05:34] <\sh> or this one
[05:34] <tseng> bddebian: ?
[05:34] <\sh> Package: mplayer-libpostproc
[05:34] <\sh> Binary: libpostproc0, libpostproc-dev
[05:34] <\sh> apt-cache showsrc libpostproc-dev
[05:34] <\sh> gives u all alternatives
[05:34] <bddebian> Oh shit, I don't have multiverse set back up in my pbuilder.. Grrr
[05:34] <\sh> use the one from main pls
[05:34] <bddebian> tseng: Did you get my "notes" about mythtv last night
[05:34] <bddebian> \sh: Use what from main?
[05:34] <tseng> bddebian: eh, using svn isnt really an option
[05:35] <tseng> bddebian: or, more of a last option
[05:35] <bddebian> tseng: Why?
[05:35] <whiprush> tseng: hey.
[05:35] <\sh> 17:33 < \sh> Package: ffmpeg
[05:35] <\sh> 17:33 < \sh> Binary: libavformat-dev, libavcodec-dev, libpostproc-dev, ffmpeg
[05:35] <tseng> because mythtv development isnt that stable
[05:35] <tseng> aiui
[05:35] <\sh> bddebian: the libpostproc-dev
[05:35] <tseng> whiprush: hi
[05:35] <whiprush> tseng: novell has a public ifolder that you can get an account on.
[05:35] <whiprush> I signed up and it's all working as advertised.
[05:35] <tseng> hrm
[05:36] <tseng> i dont have time to do all the packaging
[05:36] <tseng> its huge
[05:36] <bddebian> tseng: mythtv?
[05:36] <tseng> ifolder
[05:36] <tseng> comeon
[05:36] <bddebian> I can't keep up
[05:37] <tseng> im in 11 channels
[05:37] <tseng> you can keep up with one :)
[05:37] <bddebian> Well I have only 10 so you got me there
[05:38] <\sh> np: The Pretenders - Ill Stand by You (1:10 / 0:00)
[05:39] <bddebian> Man and WOman or whatever the title is, is the best Pretenders song
[05:44] <\sh> is monotone a mono app??
[05:45] <tseng> no
[05:45] <tseng> its a RCS
[05:46] <\sh> good ;)
[05:46] <\sh> bah..it's using libboost *shrugs*
[05:46] <tseng> hey
[05:46] <tseng> i transitioned liboost in hoary
[05:46] <tseng> *shudder*
[05:47] <\sh> I transed it to gcc4
[05:47] <\sh> or better I patched it to work with gcc4
[05:47] <\sh> and now...monotone throws errors...4.3MB of raw source
[05:49] <\sh> lets see what I can do
[05:50] <whiprush> tseng: would you have time to review it you think?
[05:51] <SloMo_> hmm, finally merged openscenegraph ;) really disturbing when the package needs half an hour to compile...
[05:51] <tseng> whiprush: review what?
[05:51] <whiprush> ifolder, if I were to package it up?
[05:51] <whiprush> for correctness I mean.
[05:51] <tseng> ifolder garbage parts 1-32?
[05:51] <whiprush> heh
[05:51] <tseng> ok
[05:51] <SloMo_> whiprush: i can also review it for you ;)
[05:51] <tseng> slomo is good
[05:51] <whiprush> okey
[05:52] <tseng> where is my policy
[05:52] <tseng> http://pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org/cli-policy/index.html
[05:52] <tseng> you need this.
[05:53] <whiprush> okey
[05:53] <tseng> i am doing evil stuff at work
[05:53] <tseng> its very draining
[05:53] <bddebian> Probably not as Evil as I :-)
[05:54] <tseng> ever hacked credit card systems?
[05:54] <bddebian> Ohh, not quite THAT evil :-)
[05:54] <whiprush> my best friend works at a credit card processing firm
[05:54] <tseng> whiprush: he's me
[05:55] <whiprush> I feel your pain then
[05:55] <tseng> bddebian: hm, i work for the company
[05:55] <tseng> its not evil in that scense
[05:55] <tseng> we do fake requests to verify things are working
[05:55] <bddebian> Cool
[05:55] <tseng> the systems are very archaic
[05:55] <the--dud> hi folks
[05:55] <bddebian> COBOL on VMS? ;-)
[05:56] <bddebian> Hello the--dud
[05:56] <tseng> eh
[05:56] <tseng> you dialup to it
[05:56] <bddebian> Ohh
[05:56] <the--dud> I don't suppose any MOTU guy wanna 'adopt' my http://nix-dev.dudcore.net/CurrProjects/NetselectAptUbuntu
[05:56] <tseng> and send a string of characters
[05:56] <the--dud> ?
[05:56] <tseng> every vendor has their own spec
[05:57] <Amaranth> tseng: I was trying to get one of those stupid machines to work at a restaurant once.
[05:57] <the--dud> *_*
[05:57] <Amaranth> tseng: No one realized they couldn't be on that phone line talking if they wanted to CC machine to work. :)
[06:00] <the--dud> noone?
[06:01] <\sh> the--dud: package it..upload it to revu
[06:01] <the--dud> hrm... thanks
[06:02] <the--dud> isnt there a packet guide somewhere on the wiki?
[06:02] <the--dud> package even
[06:02] <comadreja> could somebody help me with this ? http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=158
[06:02] <\sh> the--dud: wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[06:03] <SloMo_> comadreja: sure... what is the problem with that package? (btw, why is there a *.diff with 0 bytes and no real diff?)
[06:03] <comadreja> SloMo_ : it's new
[06:04] <comadreja> SloMo_ : I packaged it, the point is, the original sources include a shared library already compiled
[06:04] <comadreja> SloMo_ : That's why I made it architecture dependent
[06:05] <SloMo_> comadreja: hm, where does this shared library come from?
[06:05] <comadreja> SloMo_ : also I got a question, because the program has to be ran from inside the program directory, so I created a samll script, but didn't put the script in /usr/bin
[06:06] <comadreja> \sh have some rest
[06:06] <comadreja> SloMo_ : I don't know
[06:06] <SloMo_> comadreja: can you contact the upstream author about that library and why he don't include the sources for it?
[06:07] <SloMo_> comadreja: btw... pytrayicon.so sound like something usefull... maybe it is already in another package?
[06:07] <comadreja> SloMo_ : I did, but he didn't answer
[06:08] <comadreja> SloMo_ : package straw also has that library
[06:08] <\sh> comadreja: straw?
[06:08] <SloMo_> comadreja: with sources?
[06:08] <\sh> shermann@shermann-laptop:~$ apt-file search pytrayicon.so
[06:08] <\sh> straw: usr/lib/straw/straw/pytrayicon.so
[06:09] <the--dud> ls
[06:09] <\sh> but straw is not arch dep or?
[06:10] <SloMo_> \sh: yeah... straw has the sources for this library included...
[06:10] <SloMo_> it's just a part of libegg it seems
[06:10] <bddebian> doko: I "fixed" python-slang and should be ready to upload, sorry
[06:11] <\sh> SloMo_: so let him use this..
[06:12] <comadreja> so, should I package pytrayicon ?
[06:12] <SloMo_> comadreja: another question... why is this installed in /var/lib? seems wrong for me
[06:12] <\sh> comadreja: include it in your package
[06:12] <SloMo_> comadreja: nope... included it
[06:12] <\sh> completly
[06:13] <comadreja> but then: should I make it architecture dependent ?
[06:13] <\sh> no...take the source from straw
[06:13] <comadreja> the reason about /var/lib is because the program needs to be completely in one directory
[06:14] <SloMo_> comadreja: why not /usr/lib/gmail-notify or something?
[06:14] <bddebian> tseng: Please don't get mad at me but if updating mythtv from svn helps with gcc4 issues, why is it a bad thing? Doesn't it save work?
[06:14] <comadreja> SloMo_ : I used debian's procedure... usually they put it in /var/lib
[06:14] <comadreja> SloMo_ : because, it's neither a library
[06:15] <SloMo_> comadreja: they do? ok, nevermind :) i just know from the mono stuff that they put everything in /usr/lib/pkgname and a wrapper script in /usr/bin
[06:15] <comadreja> SloMo_ : really ? I used to see this way, I have no problem on moving it
[06:16] <comadreja> point is that is really python code
[06:16] <comadreja> so I treated it like web scripts
[06:16] <SloMo_> hmm, but it is no webscript... smeg is also python and it's stuff is in /usr/lib/smeg
[06:17] <Amaranth> that's changing
[06:17] <comadreja> then I'll put it /usr/lib, as I said, it's not a problem at all
[06:17] <SloMo_> Amaranth: where will it move to?
[06:17] <comadreja> btw, is there any way to download a package from revu without having to download it's parts ?
[06:18] <Amaranth> /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/Smeg/
[06:19] <siretart> comadreja: not yet
[06:19] <Amaranth> it makes things a lot easier on me having it there
[06:19] <Amaranth> plus my MenuHandler is becoming more usable for normal folks
[06:19] <Amaranth> err, for other apps
[06:19] <SloMo_> comadreja: and can you make this a non-native package? e.g. with an gmail-notify_1.6.orig.tar.gz and an corresponding diff.gz ;) it makes updates just to the packaging part easier
[06:21] <comadreja> SloMo_ : sure, I used dh_make
[06:21] <the--dud> erm, dh_make has a choice of binary, library, and modules
[06:21] <the--dud> how about non-compiled scripts? :/
[06:21] <siretart> the--dud: you want to package a single simple shellskript?
[06:22] <the--dud> yeah >_<
[06:22] <siretart> what kind of skript? is it really worth a package?
[06:22] <the--dud> I can see netselect-apt is, and thats even simpler than what I plan to pack, plus its 95% useless on ubuntu :p
[06:23] <comadreja> SloMo_ : pytray icon has lots of sources, maybe I should just create a dependency on straw (?)
[06:23] <SloMo_> comadreja: ok, fine :) but i would retry to talk with the upstream author regarding pytrayicon.so
[06:24] <siretart> the--dud: hm. I never heard about netselect-apt. can't u take that package as template?
[06:24] <the--dud> I suppose... I'll have a look, thanks
[06:24] <SloMo_> comadreja: no... that way everybody who wants to use gmail-notify has to install straw even when they don't use it
[06:24] <comadreja> SloMo_ : cool, now... how do I make it a non-native package ? I mean, is there a tool ? or I just have to rename some files ?
[06:25] <SloMo_> comadreja: put the upstream tarball in the parent directory and name it gmail-notify_1.6.orig.tar.gz and the next time you do dpkg-buildpackage you will get just the diff against this tarball
[06:25] <Amaranth> pytrayicon.so? wtf
[06:26] <Amaranth> g-p-e has trayicon bindings
[06:26] <comadreja> SloMo_ :thanks
[06:26] <comadreja> Amaranth : gmail-notify uses that...
[06:26] <comadreja> I'm just the messenger :)
[06:27] <SloMo_> comadreja: tell upstream about gnome-python-extras ;)
[06:28] <comadreja> SloMo_ : ok
[06:37] <SloMo_> comadreja: otherwise the package seems ok to me... hm, but maybe you can have a look at cdbs? this will make maintaining the debian/rules a bit easier
[06:38] <comadreja> I usually use dpatch , is it for the same thing right ?
[06:40] <SloMo_> nope... it takes away some common rules which you then have to include... for example the whole binary-arch rule you currently have there could be ommited
[06:40] <SloMo_> comadreja: https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml
[06:40] <SloMo_> comadreja: and maybe this as an example debian/rules file ;) http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/dirac-0507252350/dirac-0.5.2/debian/rules
[06:42] <SloMo_> bddebian: i haven't found better ones yet... do you know some? ;)
[06:42] <bddebian> SloMo_: No, so please write one. ;-P
[06:43] <comadreja> I'll have fun, then :)
[06:43] <SloMo_> bddebian: no, better not... i don't want to torment more people the necessary with my english ;)
[06:44] <bddebian> SloMo_: Bah, your English is great
[06:44] <bddebian> btw "more people than necessary" ;-P
[06:45] <SloMo_> bddebian: hehe thanks ;) what exactly don't you like in that cdbs docs?
[06:45] <bddebian> I think they are less than helpful
[06:45] <bddebian> They don't really tell you anything
[06:46] <Nafallo> we got 3 gerbils now :-)
[06:47] <SloMo_> bddebian: hmm... they included everything i needed to get used to cdbs ;)
[06:47] <bddebian> SloMo_: Well remember, I'm kinda st00pid :)
[06:48] <SloMo_> bddebian: you're not :P but when you have some cdbs questions just ask me ;)
[06:48] <bddebian> OK, thx
[06:50] <SloMo_> oh no... patching time :/ gpsd is using the old dbus api...
[07:57] <SloMo_> anybody here who knows something about the dbus C api?
[08:04] <diamond> Mez: hi. you're involved in the ubuntu backports effort, yes?
[08:07] <Mez> yes
[08:07] <diamond> Mez: actually, have an email almost finished, i'll just send it -)
[08:08] <diamond> Mez: sent.
[08:09] <SloMo_> Mez: are we allowed to backport mono stuff?
[08:09] <Mez> SloMo_, not really
[08:09] <Mez> diamond, sent to where?
[08:10] <diamond> Mez: martin @ sf.net
[08:10] <tseng> Mez: SloMo_ i would like to have a proper backport on the new system if someone consults me first
[08:10] <Mez> of what new system?
[08:10] <tseng> i was pretty steamed after last time
[08:11] <tseng> backports from buildd
[08:11] <tseng> not random people's pcs
[08:11] <Mez> lol :DF
[08:11] <Mez> what are you wanting to be consulted on/
[08:11] <tseng> what packages to backport for starters
[08:12] <Mez> tseng,
[08:12] <tseng> last time it was a very small portion of a large interrelated set
[08:12] <Mez> that's for backporters to do... and what makes you like ... the "authority" on what to backport
[08:12] <Mez> or are you on about mono stuff?
[08:12] <tseng> because it was broken
[08:12] <tseng> mono stuff
[08:12] <Mez> ah, ok
[08:12] <tseng> i dont want to keep being an ass
[08:13] <Mez> mono sutff in unofficial backports were the suck
[08:13] <tseng> i just hear about it several times a day
[08:13] <Mez> ...?
[08:13] <ogra> Mez, tseng is our mono god
[08:13] <tseng> i watch most mono channels
[08:13] <Mez> yeah, I know
[08:13] <Mez> and mono backports = the suck
[08:13] <Mez> :d
[08:13] <tseng> people want ubuntu + mono
[08:13] <Mez> lol
[08:14] <tseng> they got broken stuff
[08:14] <tseng> ive beaten this to death once before
[08:14] <Mez> yeah, but well... we gotta backport stuff propley
[08:14] <tseng> yes, which would be a team effort :)
[08:14] <tseng> what ive been trying to say
[08:14] <Mez> lol :D
[08:15] <slomo> tseng: hehe ok... when we really want to backport mono again we'll work together with you, ok? ;)
[08:15] <Mez> hehhehehehe
[08:15] <tseng> please
[08:15] <slomo> Mez: i didn't mean mono itself but muine for example ;)
[08:15] <tseng> no thats my point exactly
[08:15] <tseng> you cant just backport muine
[08:15] <tseng> it will be exactly the same thing
[08:16] <slomo> ok
[08:16] <Mez> grr
[08:16] <Mez> thing is, the backports only works on thigns against main
[08:16] <Mez> so say for example, mono-mcs
[08:16] <tseng> everything changed between hoary + breezy
[08:16] <Mez> it wont compile unless that's backported too
[08:16] <Mez> and well, we dont want that do we
[08:17] <tseng> then ill do it myself
[08:17] <siretart> Mez: if it is done, it really should be tested with a seperated, private repository.
[08:18] <tseng> oh wow, you already started this?
[08:18] <tseng> < #-dev
[08:18] <Mez> siretart - I agree
[08:18] <Mez> and tseng - yeah - some things are like - already started
[08:18] <tseng> dude.
[08:18] <Mez> I didnt know there was mono stuff in there, cause I didnt know what stuff was mono just from pacakge names
[08:18] <Mez> I'm just using that as an example
[08:20] <Mez> Needs-Build is when it's in the queue to be built - yes?
[08:20] <slomo> Mez: have you already requested removal of gtk-sharp2-unstable at elmo?
[08:20] <Mez> slomo - I've tried :D but no response
[08:21] <Mez> btw, cli-common backported nicely
[08:21] <tseng> its just perl scripts.
[08:21] <tseng> dh_clideps et all
[08:21] <slomo> hehe... Mez, next time ask me and i'll tell you whether it's mono or not ;)
[08:21] <Mez> slomo - I just sent a list I already knew about
[08:22] <tseng> we can backport mono fine
[08:22] <tseng> if you walk up the dependency tree
[08:22] <Mez> ...?
[08:22] <tseng> and not just throw random things at the wall and hope they stick
[08:22] <Mez> tseng - wanna move this to mailing list?
[08:22] <tseng> a backports list?
[08:22] <Mez> It'll help things alotif we have you on board
[08:23] <tseng> i am on board
[08:23] <Mez> yeah, [email protected]
[08:23] <tseng> i just get unrationally upset if you start shipping broken stuff
[08:23] <bddebian> Mez: You got accepted as MOTU right?
[08:23] <Mez> bddebian, yeah
[08:23] <bddebian> OK, cool. COngrats :-)
[08:23] <Mez> tseng, well everythings built from breezy
[08:23] <tseng> thats fine, we need to do it in order
[08:24] <Mez> fair enough tseng
[08:24] <Mez> you need to tell me where to start :D
[08:24] <tseng> cli-common and mono
[08:24] <Mez> cli-common = dont already
[08:25] <Mez> done *
[08:25] <tseng> what do i send to the list
[08:25] <tseng> to subscribe
[08:25] <Mez> sign up @ http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-backports
[08:25] <tseng> thanks
[08:26] <slomo> ok, so now we're backporting mono with tseng's help? fine ;)
[08:26] <Mez> :D
[08:26] <tseng> yay
[08:28] <ogra> wow, looks like hoary users wil get nice mono apps :) great
[08:40] <Mez> tseng: did you get the email on the list regarding mono
[08:43] <tseng> no but i read it on archive
[08:43] <tseng> and "replied"
[08:43] <Mez> lol
[08:43] <tseng> it wont show up as a real reply obviously
[08:43] <tseng> but i sent it
[08:44] <Mez> lol
[08:44] <herve> hello!
[08:44] <Mez> lo
[08:46] <herve> are Debian servers down? I don't follow the lists anymore
[08:53] <bddebian> Heya herve
[08:54] <jamessan|work> herve: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/07/msg00013.html
[08:55] <herve> thanks jamessan|work
[09:04] <slomo> hmm... sear has funny build-depends... already found 3 libraries which need a rebuild because of cxxtransition ;)
[09:04] <bddebian> Fun :-)
[09:08] <bddebian> Uhm, is there a good reason for this: libmetakit2.4.9.3-2.4.9.3 ??
[09:11] <slomo> is someone with upload rights here who wants to upload a package which needed cxxtransition?
[09:15] <herve> yes
[09:16] <Lathiat> time to install ubuntu on a second partition for breezy work
[09:16] <Lathiat> and can do so with my shiny new hoary cds :)
[09:16] <slomo> herve: do you want the debdiff via mail?
[09:16] <Lathiat> actually, is there a working breezy install cd yet?
[09:16] <herve> slomo, debdiff + your source package
[09:17] <herve> either mail or download
[09:22] <bddebian> OK, libmetakit apears b0rked. THe dropped patches make changes for python2.3 and the merged source has a combination of old stuff and python-2.4.. ??? :-(
[09:24] <bddebian> s/taling/talking/
[09:26] <herve> bddebian, I had that too
[09:26] <herve> I prefered to download the new debian package and transition it again to Python 2.4
[09:27] <herve> following what was done at the time of the ubuntu package
[09:28] <slomo> hehe... and i had a package where MoM has killed the configure script ;)
[09:37] <\sh> argl
[09:37] <\sh> too late
[09:37] <herve> yo \sh
[09:37] <\sh> I just slept 1 1/2 hours more then expected
[09:38] <herve> no you don't
[09:38] <herve> you need it
[09:39] <\sh> hehe :) if I'm a sarcastic person then I would say now: "Yes MoM" :)
[09:40] <herve> :-)
[09:42] <slomo> \sh: i've recently done the same mistake as you with libatlas-cpp-0.5 ;) damn dh_makeshlibs ;)
[09:42] <\sh> slomo: exactly a b*tch this
[09:47] <\sh> who had the last time "torcs"?
[09:50] <slomo> \sh: how can i test if makeshlibs was called correctly?
[09:51] <\sh> slomo: u don't see any error message in the end of the pbuilder ran, like "can't find lib blablubb.."
[09:52] <slomo> \sh: ok, then it will be fine now...
[09:53] <slomo> herve: you've mail again ;)
[10:01] <herve> slomo, uploaded
[10:02] <slomo> thanks... and sorry for the first one
[10:04] <herve> don't worry, we all make mistakes
[10:05] <\sh> grmpf
[10:05] <\sh> torcs is broken
[10:05] <herve> one day I uploaded a package with dpatch patches
[10:05] <\sh> or i'M too stupid to see the forrest
[10:05] <herve> but I forgot to add dpatch to the dependencies :-)
[10:05] <herve> last time I heard about torcs, there was the data package but not the game package itself
[10:10] <\sh> apokalypse now
[10:11] <herve> you're uploading walkyries to ubuntu? :-)
[10:22] <ajmitch> morning
[10:28] <bddebian> Morning ajmitch
[10:28] <herve> hello ajmitch
[10:29] <Amaranth> "I assume GDM isn't really doing well with my keyboard now as it thinks G is enter"
[10:29] <Lathiat> Amaranth: heh
[10:29] <Amaranth> err, wrong channel
[10:30] <Amaranth> meant to do it in -devel
[10:52] <\sh> slomo: ping
[10:52] <slomo> \sh: pong
[10:52] <\sh> slomo: send me the imms patch to test
[10:54] <Riddell> how does upstream version freeze affect universe?
[10:55] <slomo> \sh: i have no patch atm ;) at least no patch that works on i386... but can you test whether it was just a broken buildd?
[10:55] <bddebian> Riddell: We are supposed to have our merges done :-)
[10:55] <ogra> Riddell, applies there too, but more loosely
[10:55] <bddebian> Riddell: I believe it also means we can't just yank from Debian anymore
[10:55] <\sh> slomo: will test it now :)
[10:55] <bddebian> But I don't know much
[10:56] <siretart> Riddell: we try to not destabilize universe anymore
[10:56] <slomo> \sh: normally it has to build as pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0 takes care of it... otherwise -lX11 will fix this...
[10:57] <siretart> hm. is evolution in hoary supposed to be able to store its calendar files on an webdav enabled apache?
[10:58] <slomo> siretart: no idea... but when you get it working tell me how ;)
[10:58] <bddebian> hehe
[10:58] <siretart> hehe
[10:58] <\sh> slomo: i will test it just now
[10:59] <Riddell> so if review day is tomorrow how does that work with no new upstreams?
[10:59] <herve> nogth all
[11:00] <bddebian> Riddell: All the packages on REVU I think
[11:00] <ogra> Riddell, wats in revu already is ok...
[11:01] <bddebian> Maybe someone will actually look at my stuff.. ;-)
[11:01] <ogra> Riddell, dholbach and i can make exeptions from UVF as well as we can delegate... siretart, ajmitch and \sh were delegates... if you want you can be one too
[11:02] <ogra> its just to have a extra instance that checks ...
[11:03] <ogra> bt Kamion and mdz stand on UVF for universe too, even if we can handle it very loosely
[11:03] <ogra> s/bt/but
[11:05] <bddebian> What does this need:
[11:05] <bddebian> checking for a Motif >= 1002 compatible API... no
[11:05] <bddebian> configure: error: M*tif has not been found
[11:05] <bddebian> make: *** [config.status] Error 1
[11:05] <bddebian> libmotif?
[11:05] <slomo> bddebian: lesstiff probably
[11:05] <bddebian> Hmm
[11:05] <ogra> libmotif-dev ?
[11:06] <bddebian> lesstif2-dev is already installed
[11:06] <slomo> ok, then test libmotif-dev ;)
[11:06] <bddebian> There is not libmotif-dev that I can see
[11:06] <slomo> http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/devel/libmotif-dev
[11:07] <bddebian> However the following packages replace it:
[11:07] <bddebian> lesstif2-dev lesstif-dev
[11:07] <bddebian> E: Package libmotif-dev has no installation candidate
[11:07] <\sh> bddebian: WRITE CHANGELOGS, PROVIDE DEBDIFFS
[11:07] <slomo> bddebian: hm... the maybe the configure script is broken
[11:08] <\sh> bddebian: I won't upload any package of you anymore without debdiffs
[11:08] <\sh> or written changelogs with your name inside
[11:08] <bddebian> \sh: Everyone keeps telling me NOT to change the changelogs
[11:08] <bddebian> \sh: And debdiff is broken
[11:08] <\sh> bddebian: it's not :)
[11:08] <bddebian> Since when?
[11:08] <\sh> since I'm working with it
[11:08] <\sh> and diff -ur is working as well ;)
[11:08] <bddebian> I tried to upgrade this morning and didn't get a new one :-)
[11:09] <bddebian> I usually diff -Nurp if I change anything, what doesn't have one?
[11:09] <\sh> actually do a `dch -a`
[11:09] <\sh> and add your comments...
[11:10] <\sh> bddebian: and I'm not serious right now , for not uploading :)
[11:10] <\sh> bddebian: I appreciate your work :) but u have to go one level higher now
[11:10] <bddebian> I'm happy to do whatever is necessary if I can get a fscking consistent answer
[11:11] <\sh> bddebian: I'm forced by higher forces to tell you that...actually you have 99.999 points..changelogs with your name and email address would be +1 and you receive more fame and a new life
[11:12] <bddebian> \sh: OK.
[11:13] <\sh> bddebian: smile :)
[11:13] <bddebian> :-)
[11:17] <tritium> bddebian, I noticed you left me as maintainer for python-pyrtf. Why don't you change that to your name?
[11:17] <\sh> slomo: can we work together?
[11:17] <bddebian> tritium: Because you are da man. :-)
[11:17] <bddebian> WTF is -lxm ??
[11:18] <ajmitch> how is everyone this morning? :)
[11:18] <bddebian> Err -lXm even
[11:18] <tritium> bddebian, no dude, you are
[11:18] <tritium> good afternoon, ajmitch :)
[11:19] <Riddell> ogra: do I get to be a delegate then?
[11:19] <ogra> sure...
[11:19] <tritium> bddebian, Motif library
[11:20] <Riddell> woo
[11:20] <ogra> heh
[11:20] <tseng> ajmitch: meh
[11:21] <tseng> ajmitch: ever heard of a cisco content switch server?
[11:24] <ajmitch> tseng: can't say I have, layer 7 switch?
[11:24] <tseng> sortof
[11:24] <tseng> its a load balancing appliance
[11:24] <ajmitch> I've heard of some that do caching & the like
[11:24] <tseng> i spent all day staring at its mib
[11:24] <tseng> ajmitch: thats a second box
[11:25] <tseng> Cisco Content Engine is a caching proxy type
[11:25] <ajmitch> netflow?
[11:25] <ajmitch> ah, content engine
[11:25] <tseng> blargh netflow is an entirely other bit
[11:25] <tseng> RMON
[11:25] <tseng> or related
[11:25] <ajmitch> yeah, I haven't dealt much with cisco stuff
[11:25] <tseng> tommorow will be even more painful
[11:25] <ajmitch> all small companies around here that are licky to have a DSL modem
[11:26] <tseng> round table meeting with our CA support staff
[11:26] <ajmitch> s/licky/lucky/
[11:26] <tseng> i am playing the role of axe murderer for the blue team
[11:26] <tseng> heads will roll.
[11:27] <\sh> grrrr
[11:27] <\sh> I don't understand this
[11:29] <bddebian> tritium: What motif library? Should be lesstiff2-dev?
[11:30] <Lathiat> ajmitch: :)
[11:30] <tritium> libXm.so.2 is a Motif lib, which lesstif2 is an implementation of
[11:31] <bddebian> Then why the hell can't it find it?? :-(
[11:31] <\sh> shit
[11:31] <\sh> sorry..
[11:32] <\sh> have to go to the office...thunderstorm crashed some streams
[11:35] <\sh> so cu later this night rushing into office for an unexpected nightshift
[11:35] <bddebian> Have fun :-)
[11:36] <\sh> will have...believe me :(
[11:49] <slomo> bddebian: which revu-upload do you want to get reviewed first?
[11:49] <bddebian> slomo: I'm not even sure if fpc is worth it. Someone told me that it's in the archive now
[11:50] <slomo> yes it's in the archive
[11:50] <slomo> ah
[11:50] <slomo> it isn't ;)
[11:50] <slomo> but look at the comment
[11:51] <bddebian> slomo: What comment?
[11:51] <slomo> please tell elmo (James Troup) to sync it from debian if it fixes something for us. Thanks. :)
[11:51] <bddebian> That's the comment?
[11:52] <slomo> yes
[11:52] <bddebian> OK ogra/tritium/sh\ / whoever. If there are no dropped patches and it builds clean do you still want a changelog entry?
[11:53] <sistpoty> hi folks
[11:53] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty
[11:53] <slomo> bddebian: hmm... 2.0.0-2 is already in breezy ;) and your's is -1
[11:53] <crimsun> if it's just a clean one from mom, it's not necessary to modify the mom changelog
[11:53] <slomo> hi sistpoty
[11:53] <bddebian> slomo: There you go slomo. Delete it :-)
[11:53] <bddebian> crimsun: OK thx. I'm holding you to that when \sh yells at me again :-)
[11:53] <slomo> lol ok
[11:54] <ajmitch> hello Mez, sistpoty
[11:54] <Mez> hey
[11:54] <tseng> hi Mez
[11:54] <tritium> dude, you're asking a guy who thought MOM was "master of main"...
[11:54] <tseng> note to all, i probably wont do much hard work here this week
[11:54] <tseng> work is very tiresome
[11:55] <bddebian> tritium: :-)
[11:55] <tritium> bddebian, so I'm not the guy to ask until I get back up to speed :)
[11:55] <bddebian> tseng: You mean you ever do?
[11:55] <Mez> tseng: have you treid building mono from breezy on hoary?
[11:55] <tseng> Mez: i have
[11:55] <Mez> and it works?
[11:55] <tseng> a few months ago i built the mono-live cd
[11:56] <tseng> which we are shipping to thousands of people
[11:56] <tseng> id assume it works.
[11:56] <Mez> lol, and thats on hoary with the current breezy mono version
[11:56] <slomo> tseng: if it's ok with you i can take care of tomboy and monodevelop next week... boo is synced and tomboy doesn't compile atm
[11:56] <tseng> i built one version back iirc
[11:56] <tseng> slomo: you can take care of anything you want, i trust your work
[11:57] <tseng> motu doesnt have a maintainer lock
[11:57] <tseng> i just get my panties in a bunch about backports
[11:57] <tseng> (we're working it out :)
[11:57] <slomo> tseng: sure but both package bugreports are assigned to you ;)
[11:58] <crimsun> tritium: thankfully it's fairly trivial to get back up to speed :)
[11:58] <slomo> bddebian: something else you want to get reviewed ;)
[11:58] <tseng> slomo: indeed.
[11:58] <tseng> slomo: tomboy just needs his build-deps fixed
[11:58] <tseng> monodevelop needs boo in main
[11:58] <tseng> or boo removed
[11:58] <tseng> you cant build dep from main -> universe
[11:58] <tritium> crimsun, yes, hopefully so.
[11:59] <bddebian> slomo: I guess just python-pyrtf :-)
[11:59] <bddebian> Wasn't tomboy on MOTUToMerge also?
[11:59] <slomo> tseng: tomboy also needs a patch, otherwise it fails compiling the c stuff
[11:59] <crimsun> tritium: if you need pointers, ping me. The REPORT is helpful.
[11:59] <tseng> bddebian: i synced it
[11:59] <bddebian> Ah
[11:59] <tseng> slomo: not on debian it doesnt
[11:59] <tseng> but sure
[12:00] <slomo> tseng: why remove boo from monodevelop when it's not in main?
[12:00] <tseng> hm?
[12:00] <tritium> crimsun, thanks, I will. So you all know, I did finish the Ph.D., but tomorrow the packers/movers come, and we will be moving back to New Mexico. So I will still have some downtime.
[12:00] <tseng> monodevelop is in main
[12:00] <tseng> boo is not
[12:00] <tseng> you cant have that build-dep
[12:00] <slomo> tseng: oh ok... :( well boo isn't in main yet :(
[12:00] <tseng> right
[12:00] <crimsun> tritium: congrats! :)
[12:00] <bddebian> tritium: WHAT?? :-)
[12:00] <tseng> slomo: need to fix one of the two cases
[12:00] <tritium> crimsun, thanks :)
[12:00] <bddebian> tritium: Congrats again btw :-)
[12:01] <tritium> bddebian, thank you too :)
[12:01] <slomo> tseng: ok, what must i do to get boo into main? ;)
[12:01] <sistpoty> congrats, tritium !
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2005-08-01-#ubuntu-kernel
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[05:44] <fabbione> morning
[06:43] <fabbione> hey jbailey
[06:44] <jbailey> Heya Fabio
[06:44] <jbailey> I'm about to upload initramfs-tools 0.14
[06:44] <fabbione> nice
[06:44] <jbailey> Just need to figure out why bzr doesn't feel like commiting.
[06:44] <fabbione> jbailey: did you hear anything about binutils to fix that link problem on sparc?
[06:44] <jbailey> No, but I haven't had a chance to dig in yet.
[06:45] <jbailey> Sorry about that. =(
[06:45] <fabbione> no need to be sorry please
[06:45] <fabbione> :)
[06:45] <fabbione> i was only asking...
[06:46] <fabbione> the situation still looks good
[06:46] <jbailey> Well, I feel bad that I haven't had a chance.
[06:46] <jbailey> Feeling a bit swamped.
[06:46] <fabbione> but the gnome pkgs starts to pile up
[06:46] <jbailey> bzr commit done.
[06:46] <jbailey> This version actually now detects IDE correctly on my box, SATA on another one, and LVM and Raid1.
[06:47] <fabbione> nice
[06:47] <fabbione> i hope i won't crash today
[06:47] <fabbione> and give it a shot
[06:48] <fabbione> i am so tired you have no idea
[06:48] <jbailey> Still no evms or cryptroot.
[06:48] <jbailey> I just don't have test scenarios for those, so it'll be a bitch.
[06:48] <fabbione> if you have md and lvm you also have evms
[06:48] <jbailey> I do?
[06:48] <jbailey> I'll ask you sometime when I'm awake.
[06:49] <jbailey> I promised mdz that I'd put out a call for testers today on what I have.
[06:49] <fabbione> as it stands now.. evms and lvm are "only" 2 interfaces towards device-mapper
[06:49] <fabbione> if you get one, somehow you get the other
[06:49] <jbailey> Ah, okay.
[06:49] <fabbione> but mdz can give you more details about evms
[06:49] <fabbione> he was the maintainer
[06:49] <jbailey> 'cept that he's insanely busy.
[06:49] <fabbione> well he can spend 2 minutes
[06:50] <fabbione> at least this is at kernel level..
[06:50] <fabbione> if userland does something "weird" i dunno
[06:50] <fabbione> i was never able to make evms work in a decent way
[06:51] <jbailey> evms ate my partition table
[06:51] <jbailey> So I'm not inclined to try it again.
[06:52] <fabbione> ehhe
[06:58] <jbailey> Rejected: binary uploads are not allowed - please only upload source.
[06:58] <jbailey> Bah
[06:58] <jbailey> I must get that wrong like *half* the time.
[06:59] <fabbione> ehhehe
[07:12] <fabbione> jbailey: when i am linking.. can i avoid to specify -m $emulation ?
[07:12] <fabbione> or is it somewhat mandatory?
[07:12] <jbailey> Mmm, I thought it was supposed to detect it from the module.
[07:12] <jbailey> I might be mistaken.
[07:12] <fabbione> what i mean is:
[07:12] <jbailey> It's been so long since I've used ld directly.
[07:12] <fabbione> ld -m elf_i386 -r -o $dest $modules
[07:13] <jbailey> Right.
[07:13] <fabbione> if i omit -m elf_i386, which one will be selected?
[07:13] <jbailey> I think you ought to be able to leave it out.
[07:13] <jbailey> It should be detected, so in this case elf_i386
[07:13] <fabbione> i guess i need to try it
[07:14] <fabbione> yeah it works on i386
[07:34] <jbailey> Sleep time.
[02:24] <jbailey> fabbione: Hey - did you get a chance to try the initramfs-tools stuff at all?
[02:25] <fabbione> no :(
[02:28] <zul> heylo
[02:29] <fabbione> hey zul
[02:29] <zul> hey how is it going?
[02:32] <fabbione> as usual
[02:34] <zul> exciting
[02:35] <fabbione> what's exciting about it?
[02:46] <zul> i was being sarcastic
[04:33] <lamont__> fabbione: rebooting now
[04:33] <fabbione> kw33l
[04:36] <lamont__> well. that was painful
[04:36] <fabbione> so?
[04:36] <lamont__> good news for doko... it's not 3.4
[04:36] <fabbione> bad news for the ia64 porter :P
[04:36] <lamont__> bad news for me: it's not 3.4
[04:36] <lamont__> yeppers
[04:37] <lamont__> means I have to actually work on it.
[04:37] <fabbione> lamont__: the only thing i try to do is disable acpi on ia64
[04:37] <lamont__> ??
[04:37] <fabbione> it's the only big ia64 chunk of code that's different from Debian
[04:37] <fabbione> sorry. "i would try to do"..
[04:37] <lamont__> I should try booting with noacpi? or there's a kernel patch I should try removing?
[04:37] <fabbione> try booting with noacpi first
[05:16] <jbailey> W00t Got my drivers license.
[05:17] <jbailey> Angie has to wait until she gets better proof of residence.
[05:17] <jbailey> So stupid.
[05:17] <zul> its the same in ontario dude
[05:18] <jbailey> Umm, no.
[05:18] <jbailey> Her lease was good enough, and a bank statement was good enough for me.
[05:18] <zul> well..for health card i guess
[05:18] <jbailey> Well + old license. =)
[05:19] <jbailey> But here, I needed passport, ontario health card, ontario drivers license, and a current bill showing transactions only in quebec since I moved sent to this address.
[05:19] <jbailey> Andit has to be a bill from a 'respectable place'
[05:19] <zul> so pornos are out? :)
[05:19] <jbailey> The fact that she bought $3500 worth of appliances from Future Shop that got sent to the appartment that she leased isn't good enough.
[05:20] <jbailey> Nor is the confirmation from Hydro Quebec saying that her account is now open good enough.
[05:21] <jbailey> She had a visa bill with her, but the lady just said that it doesn't matter. The bank will send a statememnt anywhere.
[05:21] <jbailey> *my* visa bill was fine, though, since it has a u-haul on it, a bunch of gas stops along the 401 and a dozen or so transactions in montreal after that.
[05:21] <zul> lol...stupid quebec
[05:23] <jbailey> I thought it was a bit extreme.
[05:23] <jbailey> But I got mine for now, anyway.
[05:24] <jbailey> The Hydro bill is in her name, so when that gets sent, that'll be good enough.
[05:28] <zul> getting married in quebec is pretty extreme i hear as well
[05:34] <jbailey> Oh?
[05:34] <jbailey> What's the story there?
[05:35] <zul> i dont really remmeber unforuntately..
[05:45] <jbailey> fabbione: ping?
[05:45] <jbailey> fabbione: any idea if this is going anywhere upstream: http://gaugusch.at/acpi-dsdt-initrd-patches/acpi-dsdt-initrd-v0.7d-2.6.12.patch
[05:47] <fabbione> jbailey: acpi -> mjg59 .. really...
[05:48] <jbailey> Hmm. This is more initramfs handling, but alright. =)
[05:48] <jbailey> mjg59_: *poke* ^^^
[05:48] <jbailey> It looks like we need to apply either that one or this one:
[05:48] <jbailey> http://gaugusch.at/acpi-dsdt-initrd-patches/acpi-dsdt-initramfs-fix-2.6.10-cleanup.patch
[05:52] <mjg59_> acpi upstream aren't keen on it
[05:53] <mjg59_> If it's needed for initramfs, then push it
[05:54] <lamont__> mjg59_: the ia64 issue is more basic... nothing from the kernel but timeout/machine-checks
[05:54] <mjg59_> lamont__: Mm?
[05:54] <lamont__> 2.6.10-5 boots fine and all, 2.6.12-current is not so happy. with or without 'noacpi'
[05:54] <lamont__> so somewhere in there, I have issues to figure out.
[05:54] <mjg59_> Can you revert the acpi patch?
[05:54] <lamont__> could be a fun little bios interaction
[05:55] <mjg59_> Hmm. Hang on - I seem to remember something that may be related. Hang on.
[05:55] <lamont__> mjg59_: that's certainly on the list...
[05:55] <lamont__> mjg59_: the "one console" issue?
[05:55] <jbailey> mjg59_: Do they have specific concerns that I should work with? Having it right in the filesystem is elegant in a number of ways.
[05:55] <mjg59_> jbailey: "Vendors should fix their hardware"
[05:55] <jbailey> mjg59_: Not the least of which that you can swap dsdt's at boottime with a trivial hack to grub.
[05:56] <mjg59_> lamont__: If it boots without that, can you grab the latest bleeding-edge ACPI patch and see if that's any better?
[05:57] <lamont__> mjg59_: certainly. will probably pester you for where to grab said bleeding-edge razor
[05:58] <jbailey> fabbione: I have a really strong preference of the acpi-dsdt-initrd-v0.7d.... patch. It has the advantage that if someone does a custom kernel, they just won't get a DSDT. With the other one, if they run a stock kernel, the kernel can't load an initramfs with a DSDT in it.
[05:58] <jbailey> mjg59_, fabbione: What prep/testing do you need me to do in order to test it adequately for you to bless it?
[05:59] <fabbione> jbailey: are the 2 patches mutal exclusive?
[05:59] <fabbione> so it's either one or the other
[05:59] <jbailey> No
[05:59] <mjg59_> jbailey: The initramfs one looks correct. Break your DSDT, boot with it, see if your machine breaks
[05:59] <mjg59_> If so, I'm happy with it
[05:59] <jbailey> mjg59_: The one that just alters the read size to compensate for the DSDT hanging off the end?
[05:59] <mjg59_> Hang on
[06:00] <zul> ding dong the wicked witch...er..
[06:00] <mjg59_> jbailey: Ok. What's the precise issue?
[06:00] <jbailey> zul: Funny enough, there are bells rining outside.
[06:01] <zul> lol
[06:02] <jbailey> mjg59_: With an initramfs, using the traditional way of appending the DSDT to the initramfs causes a boot failure. The people at this web site are proposing two solutions. 1) (http://gaugusch.at/acpi-dsdt-initrd-patches/acpi-dsdt-initramfs-fix-2.6.10-cleanup.patch) makes the initramfs read function calculate the size of the initramfs without including the files so that it unpacks the initramfs correctly. The rest of th
[06:02] <jbailey> e sstem should go on to process the dsdt correctly.
[06:02] <mjg59_> Yes. That looks clean enough.
[06:02] <jbailey> 2) http://gaugusch.at/acpi-dsdt-initrd-patches/acpi-dsdt-initrd-v0.7d-2.6.12.patch makes the initramfs system available earlier so that acpi can simply open the file off of the filesystem and read it in.
[06:02] <mjg59_> Right. I've no preference.
[06:02] <mjg59_> The first seems less invasive
[06:03] <jbailey> So here's the catch.
[06:03] <jbailey> 1) Means that if someone does a custom kernel, but includes a DSDT at the end, they won't have the patch, so the machine won't boot.
[06:03] <mjg59_> Yes
[06:03] <jbailey> 2) Means that if someone does a custom kernel, and includes a DSDT in the initramfs, it simpy won't get read by anything.
[06:03] <mjg59_> Well, either is fine with me.
[06:04] <jbailey> Have you seen either of these on upstream lists? I have a preference for #2 to reduce the support nightmare.
[06:04] <jbailey> But I suspect that #1, being less invasive, is more likely to get accepted. But that's entirely a guess.
[06:04] <mjg59_> Neither is going to make it upstream while acpi upstream are hostile
[06:04] <jbailey> If neither will make it upstream, then I'll do #2 =)
[06:06] <jbailey> fabbione: What sort of testing do you want me to do before I say "Please include this patch"?
[06:07] <fabbione> jbailey: it's enough it works for you....
[06:08] <jbailey> 'kay
[06:08] <jbailey> I guess I need to figure out how to compile a kernel now. =)
[06:08] <fabbione> it looks to me we already have 2
[06:08] <jbailey> Oh?
[06:10] <mjg59_> fabbione: I think we only have an earlier version of the patch that doesn't deal with initramfs
[06:10] <jbailey> Hmm, can I apt-get source the i386 kernel from a ppc?
[06:11] <fabbione> jbailey: the kernel is only one
[06:11] <fabbione> there is only ONE source
[06:11] <zul> use the source luke
[06:12] <fabbione> mjg59_: well i have no issues to update it..
[06:12] <jbailey> Ah, handy
[06:12] <jbailey> 26k source?
[06:13] <jbailey> Oh, that's linux-meta
[06:13] <jbailey> 47mb, much better
[06:15] <jbailey> Err.. Is i386 only at 2.6.12-3 ?
[06:15] <jbailey> That's all concordia seems to have in its chroot's apt sources
[06:19] <fabbione> jbailey: you can grab the sources from my home on concordia
[06:20] <fabbione> take 4.4 please
[06:20] <fabbione> 4.5 is the playground atm
[06:25] <jbailey> Hmm
[06:25] <fabbione> desrt: what kernel flavour do you use?
[06:25] <jbailey> I thought drivers-acpi-osl_attach-dsdt-to-initrd.dpatch
[06:25] <jbailey> was already upstream
[06:26] <lamont__> hrm.. external-global-acpi_update.dpatch is pretty *&(^^%_ invasive
[06:26] <desrt> fabbione; 686-smp and powerpc64-smp
[06:26] <fabbione> desrt: ok.. i will make 686-smp for you to test
[06:26] <lamont__> mjg59_: external-global-acpi_update* were the two you wanted me to pull?
[06:27] <desrt> fabbione; the hardware arrived today for our cluster :)
[06:27] <desrt> fabbione; so, as of tomorrow i'm gonna be running 5 boxes with powerpc64-smp :)
[06:28] <desrt> (and some time later about 12)
[06:28] <fabbione> desrt: cool!
[06:28] <fabbione> desrt: what kind of cluster are you going to run?
[06:28] <desrt> our own thing
[06:29] <fabbione> yeah.. i mean. HA or HP cluster?
[06:29] <fabbione> A=Availability
[06:29] <fabbione> P=Performance
[06:31] <mjg59_> lamont__: Yeah
[06:31] <jbailey> Anyone have a SuSE kernel source handy?
[06:31] <jbailey> I'd love to see if they apply this other one, it's one of their folks that wrote it:
[06:32] <jbailey> http://gaugusch.at/acpi-dsdt-initrd-patches/acpi_dsdt_initrd_initramfs.patch
[06:32] <jbailey> http://gaugusch.at/acpi-dsdt-initrd-patches/initramfs-before-acpi.patch
[06:35] <fabbione> dpkg-deb: building package `linux-image-2.6.12-4-686-smp' in `../linux-image-2.6.12-4-686-smp_2.6.12-4.5_i386.deb'.
[06:35] <fabbione> and NO ABI breakage!
[06:35] <fabbione> (....yet)
[06:35] <jbailey> This too shall pass ;)
[06:36] <fabbione> desrt: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/
[06:37] <fabbione> desrt: there are 3 linux-*-4.5*.deb
[06:37] <fabbione> can you test inotify with them?
[06:37] <fabbione> they include all the latest fixed
[06:37] <fabbione> fixes
[06:37] <fabbione> just rememeber that is NOT 4.5 final
[06:37] <fabbione> so you might have to upgrade it later
[06:50] <desrt> sorry for the delay. got busy for a moment
[06:52] <fabbione> desrt: no problem, take your time to test.
[06:52] <fabbione> i need to go out now
[06:52] <fabbione> i will bbl
[06:53] <fabbione> ps don't use SYSCALLS 289 and 290.. they are fake and unsecure atm
[06:53] <fabbione> i already have a better patch done..
[06:53] <fabbione> but i need to know if it works for you now with the 291/292/293
[06:53] <fabbione> in sync with *
[06:53] <fabbione> later
[06:59] <desrt> fabbione; problem is not fixed
[07:00] <desrt> :q
[07:01] <desrt> erp
[07:26] <desrt> fabbione; looking at your source package, nothing has changed
[07:27] <desrt> fabbione; (from looking at source) sys_inotify_rm_watch is still doing improper input validation and (from testing against your binary) i'm still getting the crash
[07:35] <desrt> from 2.6.13-rc3-git8: http://manic.desrt.ca/inotify.c
[07:35] <desrt> search for /* verify that this is indeed an inotify instance */
[07:52] <fabbione> desrt: i didn't put any source there...
[07:52] <fabbione> did you take 4.5 ?
[07:52] <fabbione> or by mistake you took 4.4?
[07:52] <desrt> i took linux-source-diff that was in the group of them :)
[07:52] <fabbione> it's not the one to look at
[07:52] <desrt> ahh
[07:52] <desrt> well, in any case, the binary still exibits the crash :)
[07:52] <fabbione> /* verify that this is indeed an inotify instance */
[07:52] <fabbione> this is there
[07:52] <desrt> uname -a shows Jul 27
[07:52] <fabbione> twice
[07:53] <desrt> weird.....
[07:53] <fabbione> dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.12-4-686-smp
[07:53] <desrt> 2.6.12-4.5
[07:53] <fabbione> yeah that's it
[07:53] <desrt> want me to send you a testcase?
[07:53] <fabbione> it's all the latest inotify
[07:54] <fabbione> desrt: did you change the syscalls to match the real ones?
[07:54] <desrt> yes
[07:54] <desrt> i'm using 293 now, i think
[07:54] <fabbione> well.. can you recheck please :)
[07:55] <desrt> you're using the same syscall numbers as the official 2.6.13, right?
[07:55] <fabbione> also.. did you check that it is fixed in git8?
[07:55] <fabbione> yes. right
[07:55] <desrt> no. i haven't.
[07:55] <fabbione> by running it...
[07:55] <fabbione> well that would be something to do :)
[07:55] <desrt> cool
[07:55] <desrt> 293 is, in fact, the right number
[07:56] <desrt> will test git
[07:56] <fabbione> thanks
[07:56] <zul> ohwee...i got business cards
[08:01] <desrt> man... it's times like this when i'm building a kernel that i wish i had a nice pentium D system
[08:02] <desrt> crimsun; w3rd.
[08:03] <crimsun> 'lo desrt
[08:04] <desrt> "nothing's gonna change my world....."
[08:15] <desrt> fabbione; i get -EINVAL on that syscall on 2.6.13-rc3-git8
[08:15] <desrt> and no crash
[08:16] <desrt> so 2.6.13-rc3: bad
[08:16] <desrt> so 2.6.13-rc3-git8: good
[08:16] <desrt> and 2.6.12-4.5: bad
[08:19] <fabbione> desrt: ok.. i will give you another kernel in a few minutes..
[08:19] <desrt> :)
[08:19] <fabbione> it looks like not all the patches in git as commented as they should...
[08:25] <fabbione> desrt: it's building..
[08:26] <fabbione> if this one still crash, i know exactly what it is
[08:26] <fabbione> but
[08:26] <fabbione> it's not going to be fun at all
[08:34] <fabbione> desrt; http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/desrt/ <-
[08:34] <fabbione> i will be back in few minutes..
[08:54] <fabbione> desrt: ?
[08:54] <desrt> fabbione; just installed and am rebooting now
[08:54] <fabbione> cool
[08:55] <desrt> Jul 27 18:25:09 UTC
[08:55] <desrt> no crash
[08:55] <fabbione> perfect
[08:55] <desrt> ship it! :)
[08:55] <fabbione> do you want to know what it was?
[08:55] <desrt> ya. for sure
[08:56] <fabbione> NEVER TRUST PATCH!
[08:56] <desrt> uhm... what happened?
[08:56] <fabbione> basically i was doing cg-mkpatch -r $id | patch -d $pathtokernel -p1
[08:56] <fabbione> on all inotify commit
[08:56] <fabbione> no rejects
[08:56] <fabbione> no fuzzyness
[08:56] <fabbione> it ended with 2 different files
[08:57] <fabbione> (same base of course)
[08:57] <desrt> like what?
[08:57] <fabbione> there were diffs in the order of some hunks
[08:58] <fabbione> the final inotify.c was different
[08:59] <fabbione> @@ -990,6 +991,8 @@
[08:59] <fabbione> filp = fget_light(fd, &fput_needed);
[08:59] <fabbione> if (unlikely(!filp))
[08:59] <fabbione> return -EBADF;
[08:59] <fabbione> + dev = filp->private_data;
[08:59] <fabbione> + ret = inotify_ignore (dev, wd);
[08:59] <fabbione>
[08:59] <fabbione> /* verify that this is indeed an inotify instance */
[08:59] <fabbione> if (unlikely(filp->f_op != &inotify_fops)) {
[08:59] <fabbione> @@ -997,9 +1000,6 @@
[08:59] <fabbione> goto out;
[08:59] <fabbione> }
[08:59] <fabbione>
[08:59] <fabbione> - dev = filp->private_data;
[08:59] <fabbione> - ret = inotify_ignore(dev, wd);
[08:59] <fabbione> -
[08:59] <fabbione> something like this
[08:59] <desrt> er
[08:59] <desrt> that's the inverse of the patch you need :)
[08:59] <desrt> actually, it's just nonsense
[08:59] <fabbione> yes sorry..
[09:00] <desrt> it's like "do it first, check later" :)
[09:00] <fabbione> i did it the wrong way
[09:00] <fabbione> but it still landed in the wrong order in the final inotify.c
[09:00] <fabbione> that's the point
[09:00] <desrt> nod.
[09:00] <desrt> well
[09:00] <desrt> it all seems to be working fine now
[09:00] <fabbione> never mind the direction of that patch
[09:00] <desrt> maybe the cg-mkpatch wasn't generating enough lines of context
[09:01] <desrt> so it just went blindly by linenumber and put it in the wrong place
[09:01] <fabbione> possibly
[09:01] <desrt> that'd also explain why it didn't mention any fuzz
[09:03] <fabbione> baz commit -s'Update inotify'
[09:03] <desrt> ok. so is this when a bug becomes PENDINGUPLOAD?
[09:03] <fabbione> M patches/sth-fs_inotify.dpatch
[09:03] <fabbione> M changelog
[09:03] <fabbione> yes
[09:03] <fabbione> but iirc you can't change from UPSTREAM to PENDINGUPLOAD directly
[09:04] <fabbione> so we will close it after we upload...
[09:04] <fabbione> not a big deal
[09:04] <desrt> nod.
[09:04] <fabbione> jbailey mjg59_: ping?
[09:04] <jbailey> pong
[09:04] <fabbione> otherwise you need to put it as ASSIGNED and than PENDINGUPLOAD
[09:04] <desrt> ya. evil bugzilla :P
[09:04] <fabbione> jbailey: remember i will be VAC from 1st of Aug
[09:05] <fabbione> infinity will take care of the kernel
[09:05] <fabbione> but i plan an upload for no later than friday
[09:05] <fabbione> so if there is something important or urgent, it has to be withing friday morning
[09:05] <fabbione> mjg59_: the above is valid also for ACPI
[09:05] <fabbione> because the 8th of Aug is Feature Freeze
[09:05] <fabbione> (or the 5th.. i can never remember)
[09:06] <zul> hmmm...i think im going to be busy this weekend ;)
[09:06] <fabbione> zul: no crack please.. only tested committs...
[09:06] <fabbione> we need to go very stable and very fast
[09:06] <zul> yep
[09:06] <fabbione> zul: specially.. test before commit
[09:06] <fabbione> or at least build
[09:07] <fabbione> i don't want to come back and have to cleanup a mess :)
[09:07] <zul> heh...
[09:07] <zul> all of my group has gone home for the day. and its only 3:13pm
[09:08] <zul> slackers
[09:21] <fabbione> ok
[09:21] <fabbione> time to stop
[09:21] <fabbione> it's only 9:20 pm
[09:21] <fabbione> and i started at 6am
[09:22] <desrt> :)
[09:22] <desrt> fabbione++
[09:22] <fabbione> another 2 bug fixes done..
[09:22] <fabbione> desrt: i might upload tomorrow..
[09:22] <fabbione> or max friday
[09:22] <fabbione> you can use the temp kernel in the meanwhile
[09:22] <desrt> it's cool. it's not actually affecting me
[09:23] <desrt> i can just avoid passing an invalid fd to inotify :P
[09:23] <fabbione> uh no.. the other 2 bug fixes are ACPI and USB related
[09:31] <zul> i think we might have to close some more non-responsive user bugs tonight as well
[09:33] <fabbione> zul: go ahead
[09:33] <fabbione> KILL THEM ALL!
[09:33] <zul> users or bugs?
[09:33] <fabbione> users of course
[09:33] <Mithrandir> both, preferably
[09:33] <fabbione> Mithrandir: why so much blood?
[09:33] <fabbione> users are enough
[09:33] <fabbione> unresponsive user on bug -> CLOSE
[09:34] <fabbione> i need to buy another THX
[09:34] <fabbione> after i moved mine in the living room i miss to listen to music in a decent way
[09:42] <fabbione> there.. i can't even type anymore...
unresponsive user on bug -> CLOSE
i need to buy another THX
[09:49] <jbailey> buy another user?
[09:49] <jbailey> Dude, you don't PAY for those.
[09:49] <jbailey> They come free. =0
[09:49] <jbailey> =)
[10:01] <lamont__> Mithrandir: who went tropical-fish on us?
[10:02] <Mithrandir> lamont__: http://www.raspberryginger.com/jbailey/weblog/entries/photos/hpim2587.jpg
[10:02] <jbailey> Mithrandir: eh... =)
[10:02] <jbailey> Mithrandir: I'm *not* adding a highlight on "blue". That would be a bit too much. =)
[10:02] <lamont__> jbailey: you need more elmers glue.
[10:03] <jbailey> lamont__: Err. Why?
[10:03] <Mithrandir> jbailey: looks nice, though
[10:03] <lamont__> jbailey: no spikes. that's why. :-)
[10:03] <jbailey> Mithrandir: Thanks. What's fun is that 1) There are 10 of them, but most are buried, so they only poke out occasionally. 2) They're all on the side and the back, so I still look respectable if I tie my hair back.
[10:04] <jbailey> lamont: *lol*
[10:04] <jbailey> lamont__: The funny part is that they're extensions, so they're basically epoxied onto other hair near the roots.
[10:04] <lamont__> heh
[10:05] <Mithrandir> jbailey: have you read citizen cyborg? I think you may find it interesting.
[10:05] <Mithrandir> s/may/might/
[10:06] <jbailey> I haven't, I'll look for it.
[10:29] <lamont__> fabbione: still awake
[10:29] <lamont__> ?
[10:51] <fabbione> lamont__: not for more than 2 minutes
[10:51] <fabbione> i am crashing
[10:53] <fabbione> /bin/sed: can't read /usr/lib/libXcursor.la: No such file or directory
[10:53] <fabbione> GREAT
[10:53] <fabbione> now what did reintroduce this...
[10:55] <fabbione> bah
[10:55] <fabbione> i am going to sleep
[10:55] <fabbione> good night
[11:00] <lamont__> g'night fabbione
[11:15] <lamont__> jbailey: ping
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2005-08-01-#ubuntu-artwork
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[01:02] <miketech> Hi
[01:14] <lukacu> hello AndyFitz
[01:15] <lukacu> oops ... he is gone
[01:15] <lukacu> damn
[01:36] <Mez> oh yeah
[01:36] <untouchedurchin> see
[01:36] <untouchedurchin> changed nick a few hours ago lol
[01:36] <Mez> lol
[01:36] <Mez> I thought you'd quit
[01:36] <untouchedurchin> nah
[01:36] <untouchedurchin> just didnt talk
[05:52] <volvoguy> hey all! howdy miketech! nice to have you lurking in here. :)
[02:04] <mpathy> hi there
[02:07] <lukacu> hello
[02:10] <lukacu> mpathy: lol ... this is a kind of deja vu that has been going on for some days now: you say 'hi' and then i say 'hello' ... and then nothing :)
[02:11] <lukacu> damn ... i think i mixed up something again
[02:12] <lukacu> maybe it was miketech ... must check the logs
[02:18] <mpathy> lukacu: no it was mee.. i only connect to irc and then continue working
[02:18] <mpathy> lukacu: but i want to say "look! i am here!" :o)
[02:19] <lukacu> yup ... i see now
[02:19] <lukacu> i just think it is kind of funny
[02:19] <lukacu> :)
[02:28] <lukacu> i mean the deja vu thing ... but then again i am a student with a lot of free time :D
[02:38] <mpathy> lukacu: right :oP :o)
[02:39] <mpathy> lukacu: oh.. wait.. a deja vu is a error in the Matrix.. :o() help! we need a motu :o)
[02:41] <lukacu> :)
[02:44] <Nafallo> motu to your service :-)
[02:50] <ogra> mpathy_, Nafallo is a motu since yesterday... feel free to pester him ;)
[02:58] <lukacu> congrats Nafallo
[03:19] <Nafallo> thanks lukacu :-)
[03:20] <Nafallo> ogra: hehe
[10:37] <megabyte405> hey gues
[10:38] <megabyte405> guys, even
[10:38] <megabyte405> Anybody get inkscape 0.42 on their ubuntu?
[10:38] <megabyte405> Can't compile it here because it whines about libgc being too old (hoary has 6.3, not 6.4 like it wants)
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"mpathy",
"ogra",
"untouchedurchin",
"volvoguy"
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2005-08-01-#ubuntu-doc
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[01:53] <poningru> whos incharge of ubotu ?
[01:53] <rob^> I forget
[01:53] <poningru> cause its locked
[01:53] <rob^> I just made a change to it
[01:53] <poningru> oh
[01:54] <poningru> is it the dualboot?
[01:54] <poningru> anyway it worked thanks
[01:54] <rob^> some people added some inapproprate things to it a while back, they may have some sought of acl on it now I'm not sure
[01:54] <rob^> yeah, I added dualboot for you
[01:54] <HrdwrBoB> sort not sought :)
[01:54] <rob^> yeah, yeah..
[01:55] <rob^> I'm sick with the flu, leave me alone :P
[01:55] <poningru> hehe we forgive you
[02:53] <Burgundavia> rwabel, from what I understand, backports staging can also go away
[02:53] <Burgundavia> backports is now just like universe and multiverse
[02:58] <Burgundavia> what language was this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?action=diff
[03:22] <HrdwrBoB> spanish
[03:22] <HrdwrBoB> looks like
[03:22] <Burgundavia> sure it is not portugese?
[03:24] <HrdwrBoB> nope
[03:24] <Burgundavia> ok
[03:24] <Burgundavia> well the old revisions are in the wiki
[03:24] <Burgundavia> we can pull out when we find out
[03:24] <Burgundavia> Kassim <-- this is the guy that has been translating pages in place
[03:24] <Burgundavia> please revert if you see him
[03:25] <rob^> ah
[03:25] <rob^> what a pain
[03:25] <Burgundavia> well the copies are stored, so when we figure out what language, it will be trivial to copy them to a new page
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> any way of contacting him etc?
[03:25] <Burgundavia> the work is not lose
[03:25] <Burgundavia> not easily
[03:25] <Burgundavia> mediawiki has a user talk page, and tells you when someone edits it
[03:26] <Burgundavia> moin does not
[03:26] <HrdwrBoB> ah, I thought it was missing a few features
[03:26] <Burgundavia> moin is much nicer in terms of thoughput
[03:26] <Burgundavia> it has manage 10x the number of hits as mediawiki
[03:27] <Burgundavia> but mediawiki has some useful features for larger groups of people and communication only on the wiki
[03:28] <Burgundavia> the wiki mark in media is also more sane and has more features
[03:28] <Burgundavia> for better presentation docs
[03:30] <rwabel> burgundavia: thanks for the answer
[03:31] <Burgundavia> rwabel, np
[03:32] <rwabel> burgundavia: the page is in portugese, even though I don't speak that language
[03:33] <Burgundavia> rwabel, would you mind moving his translations from the history of the following pages?
[03:33] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallUbuntuOnLowMemorySystems
[03:33] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:33] <Burgundavia> I have to be somewhere in 30 minutes
[03:33] <rwabel> how do I move history?
[03:33] <Burgundavia> just PortugesePageName is fine now
[03:33] <Burgundavia> just copy paset from the history
[03:34] <rwabel> only english part
[03:35] <Burgundavia> click on getinfo
[03:35] <Burgundavia> and then view the edit by Kassim
[03:35] <Burgundavia> copy that
[03:37] <rwabel> ok I found it
[03:37] <rwabel> and copy where in the RestrictedFormats?
[03:37] <rwabel> it's a complet different subject?!
[03:37] <Burgundavia> is it?
[03:37] <Burgundavia> anyway, I have run
[03:38] <HrdwrBoB> wtf is he doing
[03:38] <Burgundavia> if you get stuck, email the list
[03:38] <HrdwrBoB> why translate things in place
[03:38] <rwabel> I'm now a bit confused where to put that....it's complet different stuff
[03:38] <rob^> when the faq guide was ported into svn, was it done under both licences or just one?
[03:38] <Burgundavia> rob^, gpl, gfdl and cc-by-sa 2.0
[03:38] <Burgundavia> rob^, ours and his
[03:38] <rob^> all three?
[03:39] <rob^> hmm
[03:39] <Burgundavia> it is a deriv of his work, which is gpl
[03:39] <Burgundavia> and thus must be gpl
[03:39] <rob^> yeah
[03:39] <Burgundavia> he agreed to relicense under our licenses
[03:39] <Burgundavia> which makes it tri-licensed
[03:39] <rob^> super..
[03:40] <rwabel> burgundavia: I better don't move the things, I don't wanna mess sth up....
[03:40] <Burgundavia> ok, email the list about it then
[03:40] <rob^> I thought the gpl is a software licence
[03:40] <Burgundavia> rob^, it is a license
[03:40] <rob^> the gfdl is the documentation one
[03:40] <Burgundavia> it can applied ot anything, but it is meant for software
[03:40] <rob^> yeah.
[03:41] <rwabel> burgundavia: email what to whom?
[03:41] <Burgundavia> gfdl and cc-by-ca 2.0 are DFSG-non-fre
[03:41] <Burgundavia> rwabel, email the ubuntu-doc list about those docs
[03:42] <rwabel> burgundavia: sorry, I've no idea about these docs, what should I email..I mean what's the problem or what is not ok..what should be done.
[03:58] <rwabel> night
[08:58] <Burgundavia> rob^, the gpl is also locally on all Ubuntu systems
[08:58] <Burgundavia> /usr/share/licenses or something similar
[08:58] <rob^> yeah
[08:58] <Burgundavia> you can just point them at that
[08:58] <rob^> its only an entity link anyway
[08:58] <rob^> in the doc
[08:59] <rob^> we could just change the entity to point to that instead
[09:04] <jsgotangco> rob^, nice on YelpMain but you'll have to contend with scrollkeeper for that as well editing the toc.xml is quite easy but I think the plan for Breezy would be a separate document
[09:05] <poningru> anyone know why the wiki is subdomained under ubuntu and not ubuntulinux?
[09:05] <jsgotangco> but if you just want to put these documents in Yelp status quo, just adding a yelp chunk on the final xml would work
[09:05] <HrdwrBoB> poningru: it's both
[09:05] <jsgotangco> poningru, its the same thing
[09:05] <rob^> jsgotangco, say again?
[09:06] <rob^> jsgotangco, I was going to suggest it at the meeting as an alternative
[09:06] <rob^> jsgotangco, I'll edit the toc.xml if needed
[09:06] <rob^> or whatever else is needed..
[09:07] <jsgotangco> rob^, coordinate with jdub about it
[09:07] <poningru> ic
[09:07] <jsgotangco> rob^, all entries in yelp are catalogued by sk
[09:07] <jsgotangco> (currently)
[09:08] <jsgotangco> that's why we have a lot of upstream docs in it at the moment
[09:09] <rob^> ok
[09:10] <rob^> are you talking about yelp in Breezy at the moment
[09:10] <jsgotangco> Hoary as well
[09:12] <rob^> the main page in hoary at the moment (as released) is kind of like my idea
[09:12] <rob^> we just need to expand it to cover all our docs
[09:14] <jsgotangco> if the Yelp main page will be status quo, we'll just have to add an sk catalog file so that it'll be part of the front page
[09:14] <Burgundavia> the current main page is seriously non-functional
[09:15] <Burgundavia> with no search, there is no reasonable way for anyone to find anything
[09:15] <rob^> Burgundavia, yes, it just needs love
[09:15] <Burgundavia> and we can safely say that 95% of the questions will be about 10% of our material
[09:15] <rob^> search should be a yelp thing, not a page thing
[09:15] <jsgotangco> well yes, is an upstream issue either way on the search thing...
[09:15] <Burgundavia> search is unlikely to happen in the breezy timeframe, from what I understand
[09:16] <jsgotangco> that's why the workaround was to have a separate document on the yelp main page
[09:16] <jsgotangco> but if thats not workable, we'll just have to contend with adding sk catalog files again
[09:16] <jsgotangco> and edit toc.xml if needed
[09:16] <insanekane> froud_: are you there ?
[09:17] <Burgundavia> insanekane, you speak portugese or spanish?
[09:17] <insanekane> neither
[09:17] <jsgotangco> we'll probably get colony 3 anytime this week...
[09:17] <insanekane> Burgundavia: last night, my power went out ... thats why i left suddenly
[09:18] <Burgundavia> insanekane, ah, poor man
[09:18] <insanekane> Burgundavia: heavy rains in this area
[09:18] <Burgundavia> ouch
[09:18] <rob^> jsgotangco, where is toc.xml in svn?
[09:19] <jsgotangco> its not part of our svn
[09:19] <rob^> in the distro
[09:19] <rob^> ok
[09:20] <rob^> I got it
[09:20] <jsgotangco> Meeting time (there is a reason I put this first, please leave it!)
[09:20] <jsgotangco> ?
[09:20] <jsgotangco> its in the agenda
[09:20] <rob^> yeah that was me
[09:20] <jsgotangco> what's the issue?
[09:21] <jsgotangco> we rotate 14 and 22
[09:21] <rob^> 1400z on Thursday is really bad
[09:22] <Burgundavia> it is shit for me as well
[09:22] <rob^> thats midnight my time, and I have to be up at 5am for work
[09:22] <Burgundavia> but it does get me up early
[09:22] <jsgotangco> rob^, its morning for the canucks
[09:22] <Burgundavia> 7am for me
[09:22] <jsgotangco> 22 for me is 6am
[09:22] <rob^> we need to make it like friday instead
[09:22] <rob^> or at some other time
[09:23] <poningru> is this like a meeting or something I had a question about a wiki page
[09:23] <poningru> can I butt in?
[09:23] <Burgundavia> meeting times suck for everybody at different times
[09:24] <Burgundavia> that is why we rotate
[09:24] <jsgotangco> poningru, sure ask away this is just informal talk
[09:24] <rob^> yeah I know they do
[09:24] <poningru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[09:24] <poningru> doesnt that look complete?
[09:24] <rob^> but even an hour earlier would be helpful
[09:24] <poningru> can we take that off of the cleanup list
[09:24] <Burgundavia> poningru, yes, but a little too wordy
[09:25] <poningru> ok so you want it sweet and simplified?
[09:25] <jsgotangco> rob^, anything earlier than 14 would be asking too much for the people in NA
[09:25] <poningru> will work on it then
[09:25] <rob^> man world wide meeting times suck
[09:25] <Burgundavia> yes they do
[09:25] <Burgundavia> the technical board has fun
[09:25] <Burgundavia> as mdz is in my timezone
[09:25] <rob^> a lot more members..
[09:25] <poningru> hehe yeah they are not so bad if most of the people are in the same hemisphere
[09:25] <jsgotangco> the next CC meeting would suck as that would be at 4am
[09:26] <Burgundavia> poningru, ideally, it should be do A because of B, then do C
[09:26] <jsgotangco> rob^, problem on our side is that our team is spread across atlantic and pacific :)
[09:27] <Burgundavia> we have active teams members is -7, +1, 0 and whater the aussie/jstongco is
[09:27] <rob^> +10
[09:27] <jsgotangco> yeah
[09:27] <jsgotangco> im +8
[09:28] <jsgotangco> so a solution is that we all emigrate somewhere...
[09:28] <rob^> I dunno, but maybe something could be discussed was my objective for it
[09:28] <jsgotangco> rob^, sure we'll put it on discussion on the meeting
[09:28] <insanekane> or perhaps some asynchronous mechanism, such as ... mailing list ? :)
[09:29] <rob^> grr why does yelp not like the yelp .xml files
[09:29] <Burgundavia> it doesn't like malformed xml
[09:29] <rob^> heh yeah
[09:31] <jsgotangco> lol
[09:31] <jsgotangco> did he get banned again
[09:32] <Burgundavia> no
[09:32] <Burgundavia> he is being himself in #inkscape
[09:32] <Burgundavia> he got banned from #openttd
[09:33] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, you mean that you like local help if we don't get a search function?
[09:36] <Burgundavia> poningru, the general rule I follow when I write a doc is after I am finished, look at each sentence and try to reduce the word count
[09:37] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, it can work if we are in that situation...
[09:37] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, which I fear we may be in
[09:37] <Burgundavia> again...
[09:37] <jsgotangco> but then even old Yelp in RHEL had an Index
[09:38] <jsgotangco> i mean search-capable index
[09:38] <Burgundavia> rofl --> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=19585
[09:38] <Burgundavia> windows user downloads a .deb and wonders what to do with it
[09:38] <jsgotangco> great
[09:41] <jsgotangco> hmmm freeciv2 already has an osx binary..
[09:41] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:41] <jsgotangco> how good is open ttd
[09:42] <Burgundavia> the original game plus some cool new features
[09:42] <Burgundavia> they are working on new graphics (they currently need to old copyrighted ones)
[09:42] <jsgotangco> oh you mean the original game is already open?
[09:42] <Burgundavia> they also ship a deb
[09:42] <Burgundavia> no
[09:42] <Burgundavia> the original author of ttd reverse engineered ttd and rewrote it in C
[09:43] <jsgotangco> isnt that sid meier
[09:43] <jsgotangco> ?
[09:43] <rob^> jsgotangco, Burgundavia I just made an update to YelpMain.. bbs
[09:43] <Burgundavia> no
[09:43] <Burgundavia> is Chris Sawyer, of Roller coast tycoon
[09:43] <jsgotangco> oh right...christ sawyer
[09:47] <jsgotangco> what are the other cool oss games out there
[09:47] <Burgundavia> there is a list on the forums, just a sec
[09:48] <jsgotangco> you mean they're already packaged for ubuntu?
[09:48] <Burgundavia> some are
[09:48] <jsgotangco> motu games :D
[09:48] <Burgundavia> barrage is a fun little game
[09:48] <Burgundavia> MOTUGames is mostly my idea
[09:48] <jsgotangco> i would probably enjoy doing MOTUGames
[09:48] <Burgundavia> I am waiting for unfrgivens intro developer docs
[09:49] <Burgundavia> so I can start packaging
[09:49] <Burgundavia> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5153
[09:49] <jsgotangco> is openttd already in upstream?
[09:50] <Burgundavia> no
[09:50] <Burgundavia> put the .debs that openttd themselves make install fine on hoary and breezy
[09:50] <jsgotangco> with sound?
[09:51] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:51] <Burgundavia> yes dmix
[09:51] <jsgotangco> nice
[09:51] <Burgundavia> but dmix appears to have borked on me
[09:52] <jsgotangco> hmm let me try...
[09:53] <jsgotangco> OpenTTD requires the original version of Transport Tycoon Deluxe data files in order to function. Please refer to the readme for more information.
[09:53] <jsgotangco> gyaahhh
[09:53] <Burgundavia> I have them
[09:53] <Burgundavia> you want me to mail them to you?
[09:53] <jsgotangco> how big?
[09:54] <Burgundavia> 5 mb
[09:54] <jsgotangco> gee fire away..its not that much
[09:55] <Burgundavia> sent
[09:56] <poningru> can you mail it to me as well please?
[09:56] <poningru> [email protected]
[09:56] <jsgotangco> oh its mostly artwork stuff...
[09:57] <Burgundavia> all artwork stuff
[09:57] <Burgundavia> poningru, sent
[09:58] <poningru> thanks dude
[10:07] <rob^> ok back
[10:08] <rob^> my issue with localhelp, even though we don't have a search function, is that it becomes messy
[10:09] <Burgundavia> yes it does
[10:09] <rob^> it has pointers all over the place
[10:09] <Burgundavia> we need to satisfy that 95%/10% divide
[10:09] <rob^> and we already have a list of whats in each doc in the toc
[10:09] <Burgundavia> which we currently do not do
[10:09] <rob^> ie, in the toc of each document
[10:09] <Burgundavia> every click that we require users to make has a "cost"
[10:10] <rob^> and 99.9% of people have read a book
[10:10] <Burgundavia> the higher the cost, the more likely they are to give up
[10:10] <rob^> a toc shouldn't be unfamiliar with them either
[10:10] <Burgundavia> the total "money" that people are usually willing to spend on help is about 1 or 2 clicks
[10:10] <rob^> I think it would cost more click using Localhelp
[10:11] <rob^> particularly if the info they were after isnt where they clicked
[10:11] <Burgundavia> for some yes
[10:11] <Burgundavia> but not for the majority
[10:11] <rob^> YelpMain also makes keeping it up to date much easier
[10:11] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, i got nasty libc6 dependency problems while installing openttd
[10:11] <rob^> LocalHelp is like having a whole new document]
[10:11] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, oh crap
[10:11] <Burgundavia> they are built against sarge
[10:12] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, hehehe...long debate on this...
[10:12] <jsgotangco> rob^, the current plan is to have a new document on Yelp
[10:12] <Burgundavia> sometimes binary compatiblity is nice, for stable distros
[10:12] <jsgotangco> rob^, it was already discussed before by jdub and mpt
[10:12] <rob^> jsgotangco, yes, but it doesn't need to be so complicated
[10:13] <jsgotangco> rob^, we lack a search function :(
[10:13] <rob^> jsgotangco, but we still have table of contents
[10:13] <Burgundavia> when we get a search function, we can debate this again
[10:13] <rob^> in each doc, automatically updated as we work on it
[10:14] <rob^> a search function would be nice, but we don't have to have it
[10:14] <jsgotangco> all help have search functions
[10:14] <jsgotangco> except yelp at the moment
[10:14] <rob^> something like LocalHelp works for the wiki because there is no other way to show that kind of info
[10:15] <rob^> but not when each link has its own toc
[10:15] <Burgundavia> say I am looking for one of the common 10 things
[10:15] <rob^> faq/quick guide
[10:15] <jsgotangco> rob^, but anything 2 levels deeper will make it tedious and overwhelming for some
[10:16] <Burgundavia> but that requires a click
[10:16] <rob^> most likely you will know what your problem is ie. I want to install a music app
[10:16] <Burgundavia> no
[10:16] <rob^> how can the 10 most asked questions cover that?
[10:16] <Burgundavia> mostly you will no want you want to do
[10:16] <Burgundavia> not how to do it
[10:16] <rob^> jsgotangco, its not
[10:16] <Burgundavia> task-based, not application-based
[10:17] <jsgotangco> rob^, if you notice GNOME is starting to get task-based even
[10:17] <Burgundavia> lmao --> http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=94318
[10:17] <rob^> we shouldn't assume everyone who uses Ubunt is a compleat numbty
[10:17] <rob^> 99% are not
[10:17] <Burgundavia> 99% of the computer users in the world are
[10:17] <rob^> at least 99% can read a toc
[10:18] <Burgundavia> that is the segment we are targeting
[10:18] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, did you get the email of David Ottina?
[10:18] <Burgundavia> but why make it hard
[10:18] <rob^> our documents are books
[10:18] <rob^> they have toc
[10:18] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, David Ottina?>
[10:18] <rob^> we should be using that
[10:18] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, i'll forward
[10:18] <Burgundavia> cheers
[10:18] <rob^> jsgotangco, look at System -> Preferences for example, that list is huge and hard to read
[10:19] <Burgundavia> yes, and the gnome people realize that
[10:19] <Burgundavia> there is a wiki page about a rethink of that stuff
[10:19] <rob^> but thats what LocalHelp is
[10:19] <jsgotangco> that's why gnome is beginning to be task-based
[10:19] <Burgundavia> no it isn't
[10:20] <Burgundavia> we need about 7-10 items on the yelp main page
[10:20] <Burgundavia> they can expand to 7 items each
[10:20] <rob^> Burgundavia, yes, in fact it is
[10:20] <rob^> and that makes it worse
[10:20] <Burgundavia> not if the headings are well designed
[10:20] <Burgundavia> rather than argue about it
[10:20] <Burgundavia> lets just fix LocalHelp
[10:21] <rob^> it takes me at least just six scrolls of the wheel mouse just to view it all
[10:21] <rob^> most people wont read past the first page or two
[10:21] <rob^> and just give up
[10:21] <Burgundavia> rob^, remember that the subsections will be hidden by default
[10:21] <Burgundavia> and only open when they click
[10:21] <jsgotangco> thats why books arent really great for help in the first place
[10:22] <rob^> I'm not arguing, I want to fix LocalHelp, thats why I am speaking up
[10:22] <Burgundavia> also remeber that the text on the wiki is larger
[10:22] <Burgundavia> and the spacing larger
[10:22] <rob^> a little, but its still long
[10:22] <Burgundavia> but most of the subsections will not be open
[10:22] <rob^> and there is still a lot to be added to LocalHelp yet also
[10:23] <Burgundavia> so you wil see 9 items
[10:23] <rob^> my way you would see about 5
[10:23] <rob^> one for each doc
[10:23] <rob^> click on one, there is the toc for that doc
[10:24] <Burgundavia> I think I can safely predict taht most people will simply click ont he faq guide
[10:24] <Burgundavia> and those that don't will get confused
[10:24] <rob^> the faq guide is for quick answers to common questions
[10:24] <rob^> thats its purpose
[10:25] <Burgundavia> then why make the extra click? if we already know what most people are going to ask
[10:25] <rob^> but by your reasoning, we should scrap everything and just have the faq guide
[10:25] <Burgundavia> not really
[10:25] <Burgundavia> I want small bitsized docs
[10:25] <Burgundavia> not huge books
[10:26] <Burgundavia> that are massivelly interlinked
[10:26] <Burgundavia> think a well done wiki
[10:27] <jsgotangco> there's a reason why Burgundavia wants to respec the curret quickguide as well
[10:27] <jsgotangco> if LocalHelp is made possible
[10:28] <jsgotangco> i'll brb
[10:32] <rob^> dam irc client died on me
[10:40] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: open ttd works great in osx though
[10:40] <Burgundavia> ah
[11:07] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, have you sent that email on to me?
[11:12] <jsgotangco> oh right wait sorry about that
[11:12] <mdke> hey all
[11:12] <mdke> rob^, ping?
[11:13] <jsgotangco> hey mdke
[11:13] <rob^> mdke, pong
[11:14] <rob^> whats up?
[11:14] <Burgundavia> salut mdke
[11:14] <mdke> yo
[11:14] <mdke> rob^, i noticed you changed the links to the faqguide on DocteamProjects, is something wrong with the hosting it has currently?
[11:15] <rob^> the previews arnt working
[11:15] <mdke> in what way?
[11:15] <rob^> ie, click on them, you get an error message
[11:16] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: sent
[11:16] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, cheers
[11:16] <rob^> eg:
[11:16] <rob^> Routing Error
[11:16] <rob^> Recognition failed for "/~ubuntu-doc/about-ubuntu/C/"
[11:16] <mdke> rob^, i see it, odd.
[11:16] <rob^> I didn't know if anyone was updating them
[11:17] <mdke> yes i have been
[11:17] <rob^> so I have the latest copy of the faq guide on my web host
[11:17] <mdke> ok
[11:17] <rob^> but I can change the link back if you want
[11:17] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, that is major cool stuff
[11:17] <Burgundavia> have to parse it more later
[11:17] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: aye its a mouthful...i have to digest it further
[11:17] <Burgundavia> I need to get to bed
[11:17] <Burgundavia> job search calls tomorrow
[11:17] <jsgotangco> heh good luck!
[11:18] <Burgundavia> and faxing my laptop testing stuff!
[11:18] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: claire sent the wrong fax number
[11:18] <Burgundavia> yes, she emailed me the correct one
[11:18] <jsgotangco> ahh
[11:18] <jsgotangco> i just scanned mine
[11:18] <mdke> rob^, i'll ping tseng to ask why the hosting isn't working. but the docteam linode is working already, we only need a domain name for it and then we can use that.
[11:19] <rob^> mdke, the way I have it is a bit of a fudge (it requires me building then uploading via ftp to my website)
[11:19] <rob^> cool
[11:19] <rob^> feel free to change them to it
[11:19] <mdke> dunno if its worth changing them already to the ip address of the server, or waiting for the domain
[11:20] <rob^> docteam.u.o?
[11:20] <mdke> com
[11:21] <rob^> yeah that one?
[11:21] <rob^> ok
[11:21] <mdke> yes
[11:24] <rob^> is it ok to have a link to the GPL (ie a ulink) or do I need to include it with the faq guide?
[12:05] <jsgotangco> see you guys later
[03:09] <mpt> Can yelp load stuff over http?
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[12:00] <funkyHat> once you have applied that, reinstall mozilla-firefox, mozilla-firefox-gnome-support, yelp, and mozilla-mplayer (if you had the last two to start with, of course)
[12:00] <Subliminal> is there a way to install the j2ee like the sdk/runtime as at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[12:00] <auk> cyphase: yep!!!
[12:00] <Seveas> Subliminal, yes, you can use the j2ee .bin file too
[12:00] <soothsayer> Seveas, I got an error: "Errors were encountered when processing php4-gd2"
[12:00] <benplaut> funkyHat: but i lose all my config, right?
[12:01] <Subliminal> Seveas: yeah, but i thought the other way would be nicer
[12:01] <Seveas> soothsayer, paste the complete output on the pastebin please
[12:01] <funkyHat> benplaut, you won't loose any of your personal config
[12:01] <benplaut> k
[12:01] <Seveas> Subliminal, 'other way'?
[12:01] <funkyHat> it's unlikely that you will loose anything that you'll notice
[12:01] <sexcopter8000m> ok, want to try this now, what's the command to restart gnome?
[12:01] <Subliminal> Seveas: using make-jpkg
[12:01] <Seveas> Subliminal, yes, you can use the j2ee .bin file too <-- with make-jpkg that is
[12:01] <Subliminal> oh
[12:01] <Seveas> sexcopter8000m, <ctrl><alt><backspace>
[12:02] <Seveas> that will IMMEDIATELY kill all your programs
[12:02] <Seveas> and restart the X server
[12:02] <Subliminal> Seveas: it doesnt seem to like it :-/
[12:02] <sexcopter8000m> i tried that earlier. it left me with a command line. do i need a command to reload gnome?
[12:02] <Seveas> Subliminal, you might need to edit one of the make-jpkg files
[12:02] <funkyHat> sexcopter8000m, that should reload gnome automatically
[12:02] <sexcopter8000m> oh
[12:02] <sexcopter8000m> =/
[12:02] <Seveas> Subliminal, can you paste the error message and the complete filename on the pastebin please
[12:02] <soothsayer> what's the pastebin..? :/
[12:02] <soultaker> hello to all i have a issue with gdesklets i can not make to work
[12:02] <pestilence> sexcopter8000m: if it doesn't come back, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[12:02] <Seveas> soothsayer, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[12:03] <soothsayer> k
[12:03] <sexcopter8000m> ok, ty, brb
[12:03] <funkyHat> benplaut, i did the whole firefox shebang earlier on :P
[12:03] <Subliminal> Seveas: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/784
[12:04] <soultaker> hello to all i have a issue with gdesklets i can not make to work anyone can help ,me
[12:04] <soothsayer> seveas, output was posted
[12:05] <benplaut> funkyHat: and now... it won't open
[12:05] <sexcopter8000m> cool, this time ctrl alt backspace worked (?!?!) and i'm still in 1024
[12:05] <funkyHat> benplaut, eek =\
[12:05] <sexcopter8000m> so i consider that a successful job, cheers
[12:06] <benplaut> that's not a very comforting sound...
[12:07] <funkyHat> benplaut, do you have lots of extensions?
[12:07] <Seveas> Subliminal, it looks like that will require extensive tweeking to /usr/share/java-package/sun-j2sdk.sh
[12:07] <Seveas> Subliminal, are you up to that?
[12:07] <Aron_Figaro> Hey guys...I have a weird GCC issue. When I go to compile Wine it's telling me "Compiler Cannot Create Executables". Any ideas?
[12:07] <Subliminal> Seveas: probably not, especially not at 11pm
[12:07] <benplaut> funkyHat: i was hoping that wouldn't be the question...
[12:08] <kyncani> soultaker: gdesklets are broken in hoary i think
[12:08] <Seveas> soothsayer, sudo aptitude install libgd2-xpm t1lib1
[12:08] <benplaut> not many, but an extensive Adblock list
[12:08] <pestilence> Aron_Figaro: dumb question, but you *have* gcc, right?
[12:08] <Seveas> Subliminal, then you'll have to wait for someone else to do it. I'll give it a shot tomorrow.
[12:08] <Subliminal> Seveas: what sort of things would need doing?
[12:08] <pestilence> Aron_Figaro: as in, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:08] <soultaker> they dont work mmm bummer
[12:08] <black13> mcphail still here
[12:08] <Subliminal> Seveas: that would be great, shall i come back on or will you post it somewhere?
[12:08] <Seveas> Subliminal, you would need to do a bit of bash scripting to add j2ee to the detection system
[12:09] <funkyHat> benplaut, i don't know if that's the issue or not, i have LOADS of extensions, including adblock and sessionsaver, and my only issue with the new firefox is it won't close, i have to kill it
[12:09] <Seveas> Subliminal, come back in a day or two :)
[12:09] <Aron_Figaro> pestilence: done.
[12:09] <Aron_Figaro> pestilence: a long time ago XD
[12:09] <Subliminal> ok, thx
[12:09] <soothsayer> Seveas, it seems to have worked
[12:09] <Subliminal> night
[12:10] <bassinboy> anyone know a repo i can get transcode off of?
[12:10] <wayne__> Hi all
[12:11] <Aron_Figaro> Anyone else have any ideas on that error?
[12:11] <norhted> i tried sudo apt-get install mplayer-k6 to install mplayer,
[12:11] <norhted> but i got : Package mplayer-k6 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:11] <norhted> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[12:11] <norhted> is only available from another source
[12:12] <wayne__> Does anybody know why mame moans about being built for the wrong arch when installed from the Ubuntu Hoary 64 rep ?
[12:13] <Spud_> does anyone know which files i need to get in order to run wine?
[12:13] <Spud_> im looking at the repo now...
[12:13] <Aron_Figaro> Spud: I'm in the same boat, except trying to compile it.
[12:14] <Andares> >.<
[12:14] <Spud_> :(
[12:14] <Andares> HOW?!
[12:14] <Spud_> i dont think thatll help
[12:14] <Andares> wayne__, Maybe because you don't have the IA64 version.
[12:14] <mcphail> black13: back
[12:15] <mjr> Andares, IA64 is different from AMD64/EM64T, by the way
[12:16] <ubuntu> Seveas: him ok heres a link sudo wget http://www.bla.com/bla/bla/programe.tar.gz
[12:16] <wayne__> I have an AMD64 and my apt sources says Release amd64
[12:16] <ubuntu> and it don't work
[12:16] <Spud_> allright i think i found it...its installing?
[12:16] <ubuntu> only in firefox
[12:16] <othernoob> Spud_: Aron_Figaro: apt-get install wine and apt-get install winesetuptk should be enough
[12:16] <black13> mcphail seems like debootstrap is working
[12:16] <wayne__> but if I install mame via apt it says wrong arch
[12:16] <Spud_> what happens next then?
[12:16] <wayne__> how can that happen
[12:16] <mcphail> black13: was it complicated to set up?
[12:16] <Spud_> its all set to go
[12:16] <ubuntu> Seveas:any clues?
[12:16] <Aron_Figaro> othernoob: I'm on AMD64, I have to compile from source, and when it does it says "Compiler cannot create executables" for some strange reason.
[12:17] <black13> no
[12:17] <black13> mcphail apt-get install debootstrap
[12:17] <othernoob> Aron_Figaro: mmh, asked in #wine-hq ?
[12:17] <soothsayer> hrm.. seveas, i believe it installed, but phpinfo() doesn't seem to be showing it
[12:18] <mcphail> black13: minimal environment installed?
[12:18] <black13> mcphail debootstrap hoary /chrootdir http://archive.ubuntu.org/???
[12:18] <Andares> mjr, I know. But I had no way of knowing what processor he was running.
[12:18] <Andares> Aron_Figaro, Paste the whole error into rafb.net/paste.
[12:18] <mjr> Andares, ah, I see
[12:19] <black13> mcphail not as minitimal as i want i am going to bend debootstrap (i have done this before) frew packages ...
[12:19] <wayne__> Andares, that's ok I should have said more clearly
[12:19] <Andares> What's EM64-T?
[12:19] <Andares> And haha@seb128's quit message.
[12:19] <wayne__> Andares, Intel's copy of AMD64
[12:19] <joe_> hello
[12:19] <Andares> Oh.
[12:19] <wayne__> Very slightly different
[12:19] <joe_> i need to update my Mozzilla
[12:20] <joe_> to the latest version as well as its security updates
[12:20] <mcphail> black13: it's wonderful when apt works really well, isn't it?
[12:20] <joe_> how/what is the best way to update my mozzilla
[12:20] <mjr> yah, basically just amd64, but they don't want to call it that, for some reason ;)
[12:20] <black13> mcphail dont jump up and down yet xorg doesnt seem to want to install
[12:21] <black13> mcphail inside the chroot i build
[12:21] <Aron_Figaro> Andares: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Y491nM35.html
[12:21] <mcphail> black13: i just want it for a chroot environment without x server
[12:21] <Spud_> ok so ive got those two wine packages
[12:21] <bassinboy> and one use dvdshrink on ubuntu?
[12:21] <Spud_> anyone know what i should do next?
[12:21] <black13> mcphail then your good to go
[12:21] <wayne__> mjr, is that mjr as in slef
[12:21] <mcphail> black13: excellent. thanks
[12:22] <mjr> wayne__, no
[12:22] <black13> mcphail what are you going to use the chroot for?
[12:23] <Andares> Wow...
[12:23] <IIIEars> bassinboy - did you see this link for ubuntu and dvdshrink? www.mrbass.org/linux/ubuntu/dvdshrink/
[12:23] <Andares> Aron_Figaro, I have no clue how to fix that.... Try asking on ##linux.
[12:23] <delire> Spud_ so you've downloadd the packages or already installed them? sorry, i was busy.
[12:23] <icewt> how can i change the buttons etc. in gtk1 to something more pleasant than the default ones? i've done it before, but don't remember anymore how
[12:23] <joe_> hello
[12:23] <joe_> can anyone help
[12:23] <MartenH> Is there a command line to switch between different keyboard layouts if I have two installed?
[12:24] <mcphail> black13: not for me. A friend wants to let some people ssh to his box, but wants to be extra secure with his system files.
[12:24] <IIIEars> icewt - system . preferences . themes
[12:24] <delire> MartenH modmap
[12:24] <MartenH> Or even better to have the USB keyboard interpreted one way and the laptop one another way?
[12:24] <Spud_> it tells me i cant access winesetuptk
[12:24] <bassinboy> IIIEars: yeah, thanks though, but i want the native one
[12:24] <Spud_> but wine is dl'ed and installed
[12:24] <mcphail> black13: could strip out most things from the chroot environment
[12:24] <delire> Spud
[12:24] <delire> Spud_ and winsetup?
[12:24] <IIIEars> bassinboy - native? - hmm - nice
[12:25] <delire> Spud_ eg'winsetup' and <ENTER>
[12:25] <Spud_> i know i sound dumb here but its my first day using ubuntu
[12:25] <Spud_> actually any linux at all
[12:25] <delire> Spud_ hey no problem. we were all new to Linux once.
[12:25] <Spud_> command not found
[12:25] <icewt> IIIEars, err.. i don't think that affects gtk1
[12:25] <Spud_> i used the packet manager
[12:25] <Spud_> if that makes a diff
[12:26] <delire> Spud_ hmm, and what about 'wine'?
[12:26] <cs378> haha, just went to debian room, they all said ubuntu is better than suse
[12:26] <cs378> ok then
[12:26] <cs378> i guess u guys r right
[12:26] <cs378> lol
[12:26] <Spud_> creating directory
[12:26] <MartenH> delire: I think you lost me, in what way can modmap help me?
[12:26] <Spud_> and now i see something i havent before
[12:27] <delire> Spud_ perhaps there is no 'winesetup' anymore. perhaps just 'wine' handles all that on first execution.
[12:27] <Aron_Figaro> Andares: I just tried, so far nothing.
[12:27] <Spud_> hmm ok
[12:27] <Aron_Figaro> Can ANYONE make anything of this error: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Y491nM35.html
[12:27] <MartenH> delire: ok, can i use it to read from the installed keymaps? where are they located?
[12:28] <Spud_> am i going to have to edit a txt file of it?
[12:28] <delire> MartenH: i would ask my gf (who uses alternative keymaps) but she is very busy currently. i don't use modmap personally.
[12:28] <delire> Spud_ what has happened there?
[12:29] <Spud_> well i the help commands
[12:29] <MartenH> ok, let em know if she needs a break =)
[12:29] <Spud_> but dont know what to do with em
[12:29] <delire> MartenH: sure ;)
[12:30] <delire> anyone here setup Wine in Ubuntu? it's late here and it's been a long time since i've used wine.
[12:30] <Spud_> heh
[12:30] <delire> Spud_ here needs a hand
[12:30] <neo-world> hi all ou "salut" en franais
[12:31] <Spud_> i think i see what i might have to do...install the prog i want to run and type its name after wine
[12:31] <IIIEars> beinvenue?
[12:31] <redtech> anyone know of a really good we hosting software, control panel and what not?
[12:31] <neo-world> merci thanks
[12:31] <delire> Spud_ 'wine windowsprogram.exe' normally does it i think.
[12:31] <neo-world> ;)
[12:31] <cafuego> bonjour a #ubuntu
[12:31] <benplaut> redtech: Cpanel
[12:31] <redtech> thanks
[12:31] <delire> Spud_ sorry i don't use any win32 software other than the odd arcade emulator ;)
[12:32] <benplaut> 'welcome
[12:32] <delire> hah
[12:32] <kemik> delire: you need to specify path too unless your in the right place to begin with
[12:32] <Spud_> thank you so much!!
[12:32] <basti> what can I use instead of this worthless samba version that is in ubuntu?
[12:32] <delire> kemik: not me, Spud_ here
[12:32] <Spud_> it works :)
[12:32] <delire> Spud_ great ;)
[12:32] <Spud_> i think eheh
[12:33] <IIIEars> delire - Does AMD64 insulate you from bufferoverflows with 32 bit libraries?
[12:33] <Spud_> :) ubuntu owns windows
[12:33] <kemik> not really
[12:33] <delire> IIIEars: not as far as i'm aware
[12:33] <delire> Spud_ ;)
[12:33] <cafuego> windows? what's that?
[12:33] <kemik> ubuntu is nice tho
[12:33] <mjr> IIIEars, there's really no reason it would
[12:33] <kemik> but hardware support is ages behind windows
[12:34] <delire> cafuego: isn't it an island somewhere?
[12:34] <basti> what can I use instead of samba?
[12:34] <IIIEars> Spud - Ubuntu is amazing if all else were equal and they are not just the customisable look of the interface would make many switch. :)
[12:34] <kemik> basti: NFS
[12:34] <funkyHat> kemik, that's because the hardware manufacturers have little choice but to write drivers for windows
[12:34] <benplaut> delire: that covers 90% of the world?
[12:34] <delire> kemik: bah not true. try installing XP on very old hardware
[12:34] <kemik> delire: at least i got a bunch of CDs with windowsdrivers then ;)
[12:34] <cafuego> delire: I think so, isn't it a few hundred clicks south of antarctica?
[12:34] <basti> kemik, what is it called in apt-get?
[12:34] <delire> benplaut: not sure, my atlas doesn't seem to have an entry for it.
[12:34] <benplaut> ahh
[12:34] <delire> cafuego: ahah, that'd be it.
[12:34] <neo-world> can i have any problem to use VLC media player with ubuntu?
[12:34] <Aron_Figaro> delire: try installing XP on anything with less than 512 MB of RAM, you mean ;)
[12:35] <delire> Aron_Figaro: hmmm
[12:35] <cafuego> Try installing XP in under half an hour.
[12:35] <kemik> basti: portmap and some more stuff, think you should follow a How-To, and also NFS only works between *nix OS's
[12:35] <Aron_Figaro> LOL @ Cafu :p
[12:35] <IIIEars> lol@cafuego
[12:35] <Aron_Figaro> So nobody can make any sense of this error?
[12:35] <kemik> basti: ie; if you got windows on your net, its not a good solution
[12:35] <basti> arf :S
[12:35] <MartenH> delire: No need to disturbe your gf, found them. They are in /usr/share/xmodmap/
[12:35] <Aron_Figaro> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Y491nM35.html
[12:35] <kemik> basti: dont get samba to work?
[12:35] <Aron_Figaro> Anyone? PLEASE! :p
[12:35] <delire> MartenH: great ;)
[12:36] <joe_> Has anyone got any idea of the best way to update Mozzilla
[12:36] <kemik> funkyHat: mhm, its sortof Catch22
[12:36] <Spud_> allright i installed my windows irc client brb :)
[12:36] <joe_> help
[12:36] <kemik> funkyHat: noone uses linux cause hw-support is bad, and noone writes drivers because noone uses linux
[12:36] <IIIEars> joe_ - the topic has something about it.
[12:36] <kemik> (noone = not many .. ; ) )
[12:36] <kemik> i bet Spud installed mirc ;)
[12:37] <Aron_Figaro> My mouse just died again. Any ideas why a USB mouse would randomly disable itself after a given amount of time?
[12:37] <IIIEars> kemik - wine mirc?
[12:37] <benplaut> Aron: power in the port fizzling out?
[12:37] <kemik> IIIEars: why not?
[12:37] <benplaut> circuit breaker in the mouse?
[12:37] <Aron_Figaro> ben: nope, it's not hardware. I've only ever had this happen since installing Hoary.
[12:38] <Aron_Figaro> I doubt it's hardware.
[12:38] <neo-world> what kind of mouse do you use?
[12:38] <benplaut> hmm
[12:38] <Aron_Figaro> M$ Intellimouse, USB.
[12:38] <neo-world> the brand partuculary
[12:38] <benplaut> that explains :P
[12:38] <IIIEars> !mouse
[12:38] <ubotu> hmm... mouse is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntellimouseMousemanBackForwardButtons
[12:38] <wayne__> Aron, same thing happens to my keyboard whenever I unplug my plantronics headset
[12:38] <Aron_Figaro> Weird.
[12:38] <Prozac> can somebody help me get my ipod shuffle working with gtkpod?
[12:38] <benplaut> my intellimouse works just fine...
[12:38] <confrey> hi everybody
[12:38] <Aron_Figaro> So it's like when I turn on my printer and the whole system locks? Bad driver?
[12:38] <wayne__> intellimouse here as well, no probs
[12:39] <basti> kemik, samba sais I got no rights even though it isnt pass protected ;S
[12:39] <IIIEars> "" intellimouse - more buttons on it than fingers on one hand. - lol
[12:39] <benplaut> the few peics of hardware MS makes are actually quite good...
[12:39] <Aron_Figaro> I just stuck a PS/2 adapter on it. Fixed. ;)
[12:39] <basti> and just 1 pc finds the other.. very strange
[12:39] <Mez> Seveas: you awake?
[12:39] <benplaut> Aron: that tends to work :P
[12:40] <wayne__> yeh the keyboards are pretty good, but I prefer my laptop style one (made by coolermaster)
[12:40] <Aron_Figaro> lol
[12:40] <Prozac> can somebody help me get my ipod shuffle working with gtkpod?
[12:40] <benplaut> i actually prefer my laptop keyboard to a desktop keyboard
[12:40] <IIIEars> !gtkpod
[12:40] <ubotu> IIIEars: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[12:40] <benplaut> Thinkpad...
[12:40] <IIIEars> !ipod
[12:40] <ubotu> from memory, ipod is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IPodHowto
[12:41] <IIIEars> did that help?
[12:41] <kemik> basti: you got how many pcs?
[12:41] <kemik> basti: you can ping their IP addys etc?
[12:41] <wayne__> benplaut, search for the coolermaster CM gear keyboard then
[12:41] <benplaut> WHY the HELL did i ever decide to update my perfectly good firefox 1.04?!?!
[12:41] <wayne__> laptop stype but with keypad, I love mine
[12:41] <wayne__> cost 18 in UK
[12:42] <wayne__> looks the biz and is nice and heavy, bezel is metal
[12:42] <cafuego> benplaut: it's not a higher version number so it's gotta be better and faster lolol!
[12:42] <benplaut> humph
[12:43] <benplaut> not funny
[12:43] <delire> hehe
[12:43] <cafuego> it's funny in MY head
[12:43] <kemik> go back to the older version ?
[12:43] <benplaut> YOUR head with a working firefox?
[12:43] <Prozac> can somebody help me get my ipod shuffle working with gtkpod?
[12:43] <benplaut> yes, i suppose i can
[12:43] <delire> benplaut: firefox is a bit irritating like this
[12:43] <cafuego> benplaut: yes, my firefox works fine.
[12:44] <benplaut> but now that i've started, my conscience tells me to finish the job
[12:44] <IIIEars> benplaut - someone had trouble after updating to 1.06 with their printer segfaulting anyone else see that?
[12:44] <delire> benplaut 1.0.4 works fine here also.
[12:44] <crimsun> d'oh, limit reached.
[12:44] <delire> lol
[12:44] <cafuego> topic spammer ;-)
[12:45] <Prozac> why is gtkpod so hard to use?
[12:45] <kemik> ouch
[12:45] <benplaut> bacuase it's trying to interface with Apple products?
[12:45] <wayne__> lol
[12:45] <delire> crimsun: as you are most in the know where Ubuntu and sound is concerned, what is the plan for Breezy and sound? dmix perhaps?
[12:46] <Mez> Prozac, cause it has technolog to get past before it can add the bling
[12:46] <IIIEars> "Backports now official"? - erm what does that mean? - won't there still be problems with future upgrades if you usse it?
[12:46] <benplaut> i heard that it's fixed, and something like "Alsa Mix"
[12:46] <Burgundavia> delire, dmix already enabled
[12:46] <delire> Burgundavia: right, ok good.
[12:46] <Burgundavia> IIIEars, shouldn't be. offiicial means that they are on archive.ubuntu.com
[12:46] <wayne__> lets just go back to ESD....lol
[12:46] <delire> no!!!
[12:46] <delire> the 'Not So Enlightened Sound Daemon'
[12:46] <IIIEars> Burgundavia - Ah - thanks.
[12:47] <wayne__> used to love the way it made the noise about half an hour after it was supposed to
[12:47] <benplaut> hrrmph
[12:47] <benplaut> still no firefox
[12:47] <delire> wayne__: it's always a pain in the ass
[12:48] <Xyc0> why so much for firefox tho?
[12:48] <LasseL> benplaut, i just updated firefox
[12:48] <Xyc0> it's not overly complicated prog
[12:48] <benplaut> for me, it is
[12:49] <black13> mcphail got xorg to work
[12:49] <joe_> which topic
[12:50] <joe_> can no one help me in updating mozzilla?
[12:50] <kemik> joe_: maybe you shouldnt update
[12:50] <joe_> i need the PSM
[12:51] <joe_> so i can view secure sites
[12:51] <crimsun> delire, dmix was enabled by default some months ago. Breezy will ship with it.
[12:51] <joe_> its because i require PSM (Personla Security Manager) that i wish to update my version of mozzilla
[12:51] <joe_> any ideas
[12:51] <delire> crimsun: right, excellent.
[12:51] <benplaut> contrary to popular beleif, Dillo is actaully slow as hell
[12:52] <kemik> joe_: Mozilla Firefox?
[12:52] <IIIEars> Dmix - nice
[12:52] <moparfan90> hello. does anyone know PYTHON very good? i need a little help. please help me
[12:52] <delire> moparfan90: perhaps i can help
[12:52] <kemik> or try a #python channel
[12:52] <delire> moparfan90: though #python is a good resource.
[12:52] <moparfan90> delire, do you have AIM or ICQ??
[12:52] <joe_> umm.. not firefox
[12:52] <delire> moparfan90: neither
[12:52] <joe_> Just mozzilla the web browser
[12:52] <boga> anyone succesfully using apache on ununtu? I have failed to get it running even after installing all the Apache2.0.x packages!
[12:53] <moparfan90> o
[12:53] <moparfan90> can we talk somewhere with less people?
[12:53] <delire> boga: what does http://localhost in the browser give you?
[12:53] <kemik> joe_: ok.. dunno how to upgrade that one
[12:53] <kemik> boga: /etc/init.d/apache start
[12:53] <moparfan90> kemik, what server is #python on?
[12:53] <delire> moparfan90: it's nearly 1am here, soon i will leave. i would try #python for sustained support unless the question is quick.
[12:53] <kemik> moparfan90: EFnet
[12:54] <boga> just a sec
[12:54] <moparfan90> ok
[12:54] <joe_> thanx anyway
[12:54] <moparfan90> how do i run a .py on ubuntu?
[12:54] <delire> moparfan90: python file.py
[12:54] <joe_> i'll check in another forum
[12:54] <joe_> bye
[12:54] <kemik> bye
[12:54] <moparfan90> ok
[12:54] <moparfan90> thank
[12:54] <boga> delire: It says An error occurred while loading http://127.0.0.1/: Could not connect to host 127.0.0.1. !!
[12:55] <benplaut> oh, great
[12:55] <LED_scorched> does any one know if ubuntu suports the PNY Verto video Card?
[12:55] <benplaut> your computer is supposed to be schizo, but it's not
[12:55] <delire> boga: odd. have you '/etc/init.d/apache start' as kemik suggests?
[12:55] <boga> kemik: It says..."apache is not executable, not starting"
[12:55] <cafuego> and it woudn't help much with apache2 anyway.
[12:55] <moparfan90> kemik, is EFnet irc.efnet.com or something else?
[12:55] <delire> ahah apache2
[12:56] <boga> delire: or should I use apache 1.3 instead?
[12:56] <benplaut> OK, what am i doing wrong.
[12:56] <DekaPink> Hey all... Whenever I try to burn CDs in K3b or gnomebaker, they always seem to fail right at the end when they're fixating or whatever. :3
[12:56] <kemik> moparfan90: .org is my guess
[12:56] <delire> boga: '/etc/init.d/apache2 start'
[12:56] <moparfan90> o
[12:56] <pippijn> hi all
[12:56] <DekaPink> The CDs seem to work just fine, though... I just don't know if it causes any problems, I guess.
[12:56] <benplaut> i did completel uninstalls of firefox, mozilla-firefox, and mozilla-firefox-gnome-support
[12:56] <kemik> moparfan90: www.efnet.org <- for serverlist
[12:56] <pippijn> I get connection attempts from the NTP servers I use for synchronizing my time. Why do they do that?
[12:56] <benplaut> then i disabled backport
[12:57] <moparfan90> thanks kemik
[12:57] <pippijn> every minute or so they all try
[12:57] <boga> delire: that returns nothing and still cannot connect!
[12:57] <pippijn> each of the 4
[12:57] <benplaut> then i reinstalled mozilla-firefox, mozilla-mplayer, etc
[12:57] <benplaut> and nothing
[12:57] <crimsun> pippijn, that's how the protocol functions. It's normal.
[12:57] <kemik> pippijn: you dont request them to? in order to sync. your clock
[12:57] <delire> boga: well no idea. what does 'dpkg -l | grep apache' give you?
[12:57] <LasseL> benplaut, try installing "ubuntu-desktop"
[12:57] <LED_scorched> does ubuntu support PNY video cards?
[12:57] <pippijn> crimsun: but the port 123 is not forwarded from my NAT, how can the servers then reach my port 123?
[12:57] <delire> LED_scorched: see the supported hardware list on the Ubuntu wiki
[12:57] <benplaut> LasseL: k
[12:58] <boga> delire: gives me so much stuff...may I post it in #flood?
[12:58] <LasseL> benplaut, i am no expert, but it worked for me
[12:58] <crimsun> pippijn, it doesn't need to be forwarded if the connection originated from you
[12:58] <benplaut> k
[12:58] <delire> boga: sure
[12:58] <pippijn> hm
[12:58] <boga> Ok
[12:58] <pippijn> crimsun: do I need to allow the servers to connect?
[12:58] <wayne__> LED_scorched: It doesn't matter who makes them, it's the chipset that counts
[12:58] <kemik> pippijn: its already an established connection
[12:58] <wayne__> if it is nvidia it will work
[12:58] <crimsun> pippijn, it's best that you do, but it's not vital.
[12:58] <moparfan90> does anyone know how i can make a python script a cool looking pogram? not in console?
[12:58] <pippijn> kemik: I have a firewall that blocks it
[12:59] <pippijn> crimsun: why is it better?
[12:59] <boga> delire: posted
[12:59] <crimsun> pippijn, because the more clocks that are synced, the lower jitter there is
[12:59] <pippijn> I'm not following you
[12:59] <pippijn> the server should know the time itself no?
[01:00] <pippijn> why does it want to look at me what time I have?
[01:00] <pippijn> and what is jitter?
[01:00] <moparfan90> does anyone know how o make a python script a stand alone program for linux and windows??????
[01:00] <pippijn> moparfan90: you can't
[01:00] <pippijn> it's impossible to make a standalone program that runs on both linux and windows
[01:00] <moparfan90> i think you can... i saw a program .... but i dont remember the url
[01:01] <moparfan90> well with just one of them?
[01:01] <pippijn> a python gui script?
[01:01] <pippijn> why not ask #python?
[01:01] <LasseL> moparfan90, get the source code for ipodder.sf.net
[01:01] <moparfan90> ok
[01:01] <pippijn> crimsun: what is jitter?
[01:02] <LasseL> ipodder is crossplatform, looks great and is written i python
[01:02] <holycow> pippijn, not exactly true, some bastardized .net apps can have perfect cross compatability, but i think i see your general point :)
[01:02] <moparfan90> oo ok cool
[01:02] <crimsun> pippijn, variations in the signal, in this context
[01:02] <pippijn> okay
[01:02] <delire> boga: i notice you don't have several apache2 dependencies satsfied however, like apache2-mpm-worker, apache2-mpm-prefork, apache2-mpm-perchild
[01:03] <pippijn> holycow: .net apps... are those standalone?
[01:03] <pippijn> not needing any libs or so
[01:03] <pippijn> interpreters
[01:03] <boga> delire: I will try the version 1.3.
[01:03] <mcphail> delire: i don't have these and apache2 works perfectly
[01:03] <delire> boga: that's what i use.
[01:03] <holycow> can be, mono on linux has the intention to provide binary compatability with a chunk of .net
[01:03] <LasseL> moparfan90, be aware though, that python is as heavy and slow as java imho
[01:03] <delire> mcphail: right.. here on debian these come up as dependencies
[01:03] <holycow> lots of python/wxwidgets and other types of cross platform toolkits
[01:04] <holycow> that are not only cross platform for win/lin but many other platforms as well
[01:04] <crimsun> LasseL, I think you need to qualify that statement ;)
[01:04] <holycow> many ways to slice a horse
[01:04] <holycow> :)
[01:04] <delire> hmm wxpython, what a lovely thing that is.
[01:04] <pippijn> holycow: this sounds like java
[01:04] <pippijn> but you need the VM for it
[01:04] <pippijn> I can say... okay there is compatibility because I can run picture publisher in vmware
[01:05] <pippijn> or paint shop pro in crossover office or wine
[01:05] <holycow> pippijn, of course, but the key difference sans the requirement for windows
[01:05] <holycow> where windows is a platform
[01:05] <delire> LasseL: it's not heavy and slow at all. just don't use an interpreted language where an interpreted language shouldn't be used. i code in python daily, and when i want to optomise i compile *pyc, and if i need more juice, C.
[01:05] <holycow> or gimp on windows, mac and linux
[01:05] <holycow> btw, gtk has decent windows support
[01:05] <pippijn> holycow: that is a bad example
[01:05] <pippijn> gimp needs to be recompiled for each
[01:06] <pippijn> gimp.exe and gimp (mach executable and linux ELF executable)
[01:06] <holycow> well if you want to slice it that way, okay :)
[01:06] <mcphail> apache2-common apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-utils libapache2-mod-php4 work well here
[01:06] <holycow> your still right that in general apps are not compatible
[01:06] <delire> mcphail: right
[01:07] <JingleBells> any ideas how to get vmware in windows to boot into my ubuntu linux partition
[01:07] <cafuego> mcphail: yes, i think the issue was that boga didn't have the ACTUAL apache binary, only the cools and libs from -common.
[01:07] <JingleBells> it moans about not being able to find /dev/console
[01:07] <pippijn> JingleBells: use the whole disk
[01:07] <delire> cafuego: <boga> ii apache2 2.0.53-5ubuntu next generation, scalable,
[01:07] <pippijn> ?
[01:07] <pippijn> huh?
[01:07] <JingleBells> ah, not just my partition
[01:07] <delire> cafuego: from #flood
[01:07] <pippijn> it can't find the console
[01:08] <pippijn> JingleBells: that did not work for me
[01:08] <mcphail> cafuego: I dont have the base apache2 package either. No problems without it
[01:08] <cafuego> delire: apache2 != apache2-mpm-prefork
[01:08] <pippijn> just the partition didn'T work
[01:08] <pippijn> for me...
[01:08] <delire> cafuego: as i said..
[01:08] <citrus_> whats the command for beep media player
[01:08] <citrus_> ?
[01:08] <citrus_> ?
[01:08] <Mobus> bmp i beleive
[01:08] <pippijn> citrus_: bmp
[01:08] <mcphail> IIRC, the prefork is the version which actually _works_
[01:08] <Mobus> don't trust me though
[01:09] <delire> cafuego: these are depends, at least here on debian. apache2-mpm-worker (= 2.0.54-4) apache2-mpm-prefork (= 2.0.54-4) apache2-mpm-perchild (= 2.0.54-4).
[01:09] <pippijn> do trust him
[01:09] <pippijn> he is right
[01:09] <Mobus> cool for once
[01:09] <delire> cafuego: why ubuntu didn't pull them down with a simple apt-get install apache2 i don't know.
[01:09] <pippijn> :)
[01:09] <cafuego> delire: Coz it can only have *one* of those and which one depends on what you intend to do with it. it *has* to have user intervention.
[01:10] <mcphail> delire: i think these are just variant threading models for the httpd daemon. I'm sure the prefork version is the only stable one, however
[01:10] <delire> cafuego: ahah..
[01:10] <delire> cafuego: mcphail: shows i still use 1.3 eh ;)
[01:10] <citrus_> apt get shows that beep media player is install but... bmp = command not found
[01:10] <[SteveB] > heya people...
[01:10] <cafuego> delire: Ie: the prefork one is most used coz it works with php4 (which depends on non-threadsafe libs). The other may or may not improve performance for non-php4 servers.
[01:10] <mcphail> delire: i don't use it for anything that couldn't be done in 1.3
[01:11] <JingleBells> i get http://www.pete-b.co.uk/pics/vmware.jpg as my errors
[01:11] <delire> righty.. interesting.
[01:11] <JingleBells> just tried booting into partition aswell
[01:11] <delire> this new request/response filtering in apache2 looks tempting though.
[01:11] <Nikopol> Quick question. Why does creating a CD image in the Nautilus burner aslmost hang X?
[01:11] <JingleBells> tried partition and whole drive
[01:11] <cafuego> (coz stupid lusers insist on using mod_forntpage)
[01:11] <pippijn> heh
[01:11] <delire> cafuego: how and when do you loadshare across either?
[01:12] <pippijn> citrus_: bmp is on freebsd
[01:12] <pippijn> citrus_: it's beep-media-player
[01:12] <cafuego> delire: I don't.
[01:12] <delire> cafuego: ok
[01:12] <cafuego> delire: The ones that want FP get a vhost on 1.3.x
[01:12] <Mobus> HAH!
[01:12] <delire> cafuego: gotcha
[01:12] <alexander_> hey I'm trying to set up ndiswrapper. I'm running the current linux-686 kernel and when I install ndiswrapper-utils I'm getting only a 386 kernel and I can't modprobe it?
[01:12] <Mobus> I told you not to trust me
[01:12] <cafuego> *safely* away from 2.0
[01:12] <pippijn> Mobus: you would have been right on freebsd
[01:12] <delire> hehe, this is what i've heard
[01:12] <Mobus> but this ubuntu, not BSD
[01:13] <pippijn> yeah
[01:13] <Mobus> trust me, I'm always wrong
[01:13] <vader1102> grrrrrrrrr anyone nkow how I can get my sound working under warty?
[01:13] <Mobus> that's why I got ubuntu
[01:13] <Mobus> warty ?
[01:13] <benplaut> ARRRGGGHH!!
[01:13] <Nikopol> vader1102: not working at all or only in games?
[01:13] <kemik> vader1102: upgrade to hoary ;)
[01:13] <Mobus> vader1102 what's your problem?
[01:13] <pippijn> why warty?
[01:13] <delire> vader1102: upgrade to hoary perhaps?
[01:13] <benplaut> this firefox issue is very annoying
[01:13] <pippijn> hoary is almost stable
[01:14] <kemik> hoary is stable
[01:14] <Nikopol> indeed
[01:14] <vader1102> I would but no blank cd's
[01:14] <delire> benplaut: what _isn't_ working?
[01:14] <Nikopol> Breezy is the unstable one
[01:14] <pippijn> it's not officially stable yet
[01:14] <delire> vader1102: hehe
[01:14] <benplaut> the real question... what _is_?
[01:14] <pippijn> hoary is testing if you can call it so
[01:14] <benplaut> nothing is working
[01:14] <pippijn> warty is stable
[01:14] <Mobus> vader1102: order CDs, you don't need to brun them
[01:14] <pippijn> but it doesn't work
[01:14] <pippijn> well
[01:14] <delire> vader1102: you can upgrade without burning off hoary.
[01:14] <benplaut> type firefox in the terminal, and nothing happens
[01:14] <pippijn> not for me that is
[01:14] <benplaut> no errors or anything
[01:15] <pippijn> benplaut: give up and get opera
[01:15] <Nikopol> hoary is better than warty for me
[01:15] <pippijn> I had that issue with a friend's pc
[01:15] <pippijn> nothing helped
[01:15] <benplaut> meh\
[01:15] <pippijn> tried everything
[01:15] <delire> benplaut: perhaps try (if you don't have any bookmarks or other settings you need) 'rm -fr ~/.firefox'
[01:15] <vader1102> so I am stuck... it tells me sorry no mixer elements and or devices
[01:15] <pippijn> benplaut: you can try the things we tried
[01:15] <benplaut> i did
[01:15] <crimsun> vader1102, what sound device?
[01:15] <phlaegel> anybody using breezy and tried to change any keyboard layout options?
[01:16] <pippijn> benplaut: try /usr/bin/mozilla-firefox
[01:16] <MAPD> Slipaway172?
[01:16] <vader1102> the sound on my dell laptop, latitude cpi
[01:16] <vader1102> p2 366
[01:16] <pippijn> benplaut: try with --no-shm
[01:16] <pippijn> ehm
[01:16] <pippijn> --no-xshm
[01:16] <benplaut> pippijn: it is busy for a sec, then it just goes back to the terminal
[01:16] <benplaut> nuttin happens
[01:17] <pippijn> same was with us
[01:17] <mmoscosa> does anybody knows why i cant send or ecieve files through amsn?!?!
[01:17] <pippijn> benplaut: try --no-xshm and -safe-mode and the 4 combinations of those
[01:17] <pippijn> so either off and reverse and both on
[01:17] <Nikopol> mmoscosa: doesnt' work well under windows either IIRC
[01:17] <pippijn> 3 combinations
[01:18] <Nikopol> I can get files but it's excuciatingly slow through gaim
[01:18] <Nikopol> I tend to give up and ask to get them emailed to gmail.
[01:18] <delire> benplaut: if i were you i would delete all local firefox settings and then start up. i bet it's an issue with user registration.
[01:18] <pippijn> Nikopol: things are slow if you don't do a direct connection
[01:18] <mmoscosa> Nikopol: is there a fast way?
[01:18] <pippijn> which needs you to have a hundred of ports open
[01:18] <benplaut> pippijn: AHA! thanks, that worked
[01:18] <mmoscosa> Nikopol i am using ubuntu...
[01:19] <moparfan90> bye. thanks people. :)
[01:19] <pippijn> benplaut: really?
[01:19] <Nikopol> mmoscosa:
[01:19] <pippijn> it didn't work for us
[01:19] <benplaut> yup
[01:19] <pippijn> that's just all we tried
[01:19] <Nikopol> don't think so
[01:19] <benplaut> after i force killed firefox-bin
[01:19] <mmoscosa> Nikopol what?!
[01:19] <benplaut> i think the problem was that it was open in the background the whole time
[01:19] <delire> benplaut: oh
[01:19] <dam_> can i use modprobe to activate a ISA soundcard?
[01:19] <pippijn> hm
[01:19] <pippijn> okay
[01:20] <pippijn> that is a different problem than we had
[01:20] <crimsun> vader1102, sudo modprobe snd_cs4236
[01:20] <Nikopol> pippijn: you mean a direct connection not from behind a NA?T
[01:20] <pippijn> I still don't know what it is
[01:20] <crimsun> dam_, yes
[01:20] <cafuego> dam_: Probably; is it an isapnp one?
[01:20] <benplaut> so... now i can lock the package and re-enable backports?
[01:20] <pippijn> Nikopol: yes or have all the ports it needs to connect to forwarded
[01:20] <Nikopol> pippijn: I think the ports were open but was behind a NAT
[01:21] <pippijn> Nikopol: open but not forwarded
[01:21] <Nikopol> aha
[01:21] <Nikopol> maybe
[01:21] <vader1102> crimsun:fatal error no such device
[01:21] <benplaut> and my favorite forums just got /.'ed :/
[01:21] <pippijn> can people here try sshign to xinutec.mine.nu:22?
[01:21] <vader1102> but I have a small amount of sound....hmmmmmmm
[01:21] <cafuego> delire: killall <appname>
[01:21] <delire> cafuego: sometimes ;)
[01:21] <cafuego> delire: kill -9 -1
[01:22] <crimsun> vader1102, isapnp=0 ?
[01:22] <delire> cafuego: yes
[01:22] <cafuego> And of course there's always good old [RESET] ;-)
[01:22] <mmoscosa> brb
[01:22] <delire> hehe
[01:22] <pippijn> cafuego: of you are desperate... killall -9 -1
[01:22] <pippijn> ;)
[01:22] <vader1102> crimsun: how do I find out?
[01:22] <pippijn> can someone try my SSH?
[01:22] <pippijn> xinutec.mine.nu port 22
[01:22] <alex88> please help
[01:22] <delire> pippijn: jesus, you're brave
[01:22] <alex88> what are the difference from hoary and warty ?
[01:22] <pippijn> hrm
[01:23] <pippijn> good thanks
[01:23] <cafuego> pippijn: it's either slow or not working.
[01:23] <crimsun> vader1102, try sudo modprobe snd_cs4236 isapnp=0
[01:23] <delire> pippijn: nothing yet
[01:23] <pippijn> you can stop
[01:23] <pippijn> it doesn't work
[01:23] <delire> pippijn: want me to nmap -sT you?
[01:23] <mcphail> pippijn: weneed the root password ;p
[01:23] <pippijn> delire: what does that do?
[01:23] <alex88> it's like stable and testing in debian ?
[01:23] <alex88> wich is more recently ?
[01:23] <cafuego> delire: if you do that, I'l;l start ping -s 2048 -f
[01:23] <delire> hehe
[01:24] <pippijn> pings will hang at my NAT
[01:24] <pippijn> well
[01:24] <pippijn> anyways,
[01:24] <alex88> anyone...
[01:24] <vader1102> crimsun: fatal error, no such device
[01:24] <alex88> what are the difference from hoary and warty ?
[01:24] <cafuego> pippijn: Even if they're 2Kb in size and go at 1000 pings per sec?
[01:24] <pippijn> cafuego: maybe you will ping my NAT down
[01:24] <pippijn> so what?
[01:24] <alex88> what are the difference from hoary and warty ?
[01:24] <crimsun> vader1102, you may have to specify all the irq and dma values
[01:25] <delire> crimsun: an upgrade to hoary wouldn't improve his situation?
[01:25] <MartenH> how can I alternate between calling something.se and something.us with the same command?
[01:25] <pippijn> I will be disconnected but you won't get access to my system
[01:25] <vader1102> okay, I specified irq7 but do not know how to go about doing the dma
[01:25] <funkyHat> alex88, hoary is simply a more recent version
[01:25] <pippijn> besides...
[01:25] <Slipaway172> pippijn, LOL
[01:25] <cafuego> pippijn: Depends, if it's a linux box it'll be fine.
[01:25] <pippijn> isn't 2KB too much?
[01:25] <MartenH> similar to xmodmap /usr/share/xmodmap/xmodap.$TEST && TEST=($TEST==se ? us : se) ...but working
[01:25] <pippijn> cafuego: it's a HW router
[01:25] <alex88> funkyHat, and warty ?
[01:25] <funkyHat> is older ;)
[01:26] <delire> MartenH: you can put these xmodmap files in ~/ ;)
[01:26] <cafuego> Used on someone in a computerlab who was playing a celine dion cd :-)
[01:26] <cafuego> The mac stopped crashing when the cd stopped... odd.
[01:26] <pippijn> now I would like to know why my SSH server to which I forward the port is trying to connect through some very high ports to those people who SSHed to me
[01:26] <alex88> doesn't exist a unstable/testing branch like in debian ?
[01:26] <delire> cafuego: a just application if ever i've heard one.
[01:26] <alex88> anyway thx for help
[01:26] <dam_> crimsun, cafuego : i believe it to be. BIOS recognises it. and there are no IO conflicts.
[01:27] <pippijn> 40529 and so
[01:27] <brad[] > Hello all, I'm using an Acer 2304 and trying to set up the built-in wifi. it's using an InProcomm IPN2220 wireless NIC - most suggestions lately revolve around using ndiswrapper, but I've seen this suggested even though native drivers exist on some notebooks. Has anyone gotten this model wireless NIC going?
[01:27] <pippijn> does anyone know?
[01:27] <MartenH> delire: BU moving them doesn't help woth my problem...?
[01:27] <cafuego> pippijn: Those are prolly the port we're connecting *from*
[01:27] <pippijn> well
[01:27] <cafuego> pippijn: Let me see..
[01:27] <delire> MartenH: i'm not up to date on your problem.
[01:28] <dam_> what or how to a modprobe?
[01:28] <cafuego> pippijn: Got one to a port 40580 atm?
[01:28] <pippijn> cafuego: port 40580, source = my ssh server, destination = your host, protocol TCP
[01:28] <pippijn> yep
[01:28] <cafuego> pippijn: yes, 40580 is the port on my box I'm coming FROM.
[01:28] <pippijn> oh
[01:28] <pippijn> so what can I do?
[01:28] <Slipaway172> like WTF is going on
[01:28] <MartenH> delire. I want to set up xbindleys so that each time I press ctrl-Alt-s it alternates between two xmodmap files
[01:29] <cafuego> pippijn; Set the firewall to allow '-m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED'
[01:29] <blmartin777> I can't get mpc to play any ideas
[01:29] <MartenH> delire: my attempt was xmodmap /usr/share/xmodmap/xmodap.$TEST && TEST=($TEST==se ? us : se) .. which failed
[01:29] <cafuego> pippijn: ie: tell it to allow any packates that are part of an already established connection.
[01:29] <cafuego> packets, too
[01:29] <pippijn> okay
[01:29] <pippijn> inbound or outbound?
[01:30] <cafuego> both
[01:30] <pippijn> okay
[01:30] <pippijn> how would that rule look like?
[01:30] <cafuego> together with ip_conntrack_ftp that will allow you to ftp in, too.
[01:30] <pippijn> cafuego: I don't run FTP
[01:30] <cafuego> pippijn: iptables -A INPUT -i <iface> -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
[01:30] <dam_> brb. putting ISApnp soundcard in. someone will be able to help me get it working?
[01:31] <pippijn> cafuego: can you try again?
[01:31] <crimsun> delire, it's hard to say. He could try the alsa-source package in universe prior to dist-upgrading to Hoary.
[01:31] <cafuego> Still nuffin
[01:31] <pippijn> still not
[01:31] <pippijn> okay wait
[01:31] <cafuego> pippijn: iptables -A OUTPUT -o <iface> -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
[01:32] <mazzabr> er...
[01:32] <cafuego> pippijn: or mebbe allow outgoing from sport tcp 22
[01:32] <mazzabr> excuse me.
[01:32] <pippijn> wait
[01:32] <mazzabr> could anybody please send me a copy of a original file from ubuntu hoary??
[01:32] <pippijn> cafuego: again
[01:32] <pippijn> nope
[01:32] <mazzabr> I think I've found a bug.
[01:32] <pippijn> again
[01:32] <pippijn> huh?
[01:33] <pippijn> I did as you said
[01:33] <pippijn> iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
[01:33] <cafuego> It's getting blocked somewhere, still.
[01:33] <cafuego> pippijn: Did you allow outgoing too?
[01:33] <pippijn> hm
[01:33] <pippijn> no
[01:33] <mazzabr> /etc/X11/xkb/keycodes/xfree86
[01:33] <pippijn> -A OUTPUT?
[01:33] <cafuego> pippijn: ... and are there any rules before that, which might be rejecting packets?
[01:33] <mazzabr> can anybody please send this file to me?
[01:33] <cafuego> pippijn: -A OUTPUT -o
[01:33] <pippijn> done
[01:33] <pippijn> cafuego: try again
[01:34] <pippijn> meh
[01:34] <pippijn> I don't get it
[01:34] <cafuego> pippijn: flush the output rules; set the policy to ACCEPT
[01:34] <pippijn> ok
[01:34] <IFRFLYR> okay this is *massively* weird: in galeon AND FF when I go to php.net/in_array, I cannot see any of the examples, just the backgrounds.
[01:34] <nalioth> quote capab identify-msg
[01:34] <cafuego> IFRFLYR: Font problem.
[01:34] <cafuego> IFRFLYR: Choose a different font and see it magically work.
[01:35] <Slipaway172> nalioth, how do you do those wierd comments>?\
[01:35] <cafuego> nalioth: Poor thing, anything we can do to change that?
[01:35] <IFRFLYR> cafuego: sounds lovely - choose a different in WHAT and it will magically work?
[01:35] <IFRFLYR> ;)
[01:35] <pippijn> cafuego: done that
[01:35] <cafuego> IFRFLYR: font in firefox
[01:35] <mazzabr> can anybody send the original file /etc/X11/xkb/keycodes/xfree86 to me?
[01:35] <IFRFLYR> cafuego...here goes nothin:
[01:35] <root> hey everyone... two questions.
[01:35] <Slipaway172> ?
[01:35] <nems> I compiled my kernel and now I can't type at the command prompt when it boots up.
[01:35] <cafuego> IFRFLYR: I think my issue was that msttcorefonts were interfering with another copy of Times.
[01:35] <nems> I need to know how to get the default kernel image from the cd back installed....
[01:36] <pippijn> cafuego: that disconnected me
[01:36] <nalioth> Slipaway172: what weird comments are you speaking of ? you can try /me flops cafuego with a ford pickup
[01:36] <pippijn> root@xinutec:~# iptables -A OUTPUT -j ACCEPT
[01:36] <pippijn> root@xinutec:~# iptables -A INPUT -j ACCEPT
[01:36] <pippijn> that
[01:36] <nalioth> cafuego: the format_identify script aint workin
[01:36] <cafuego> pippijn: iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT; iptables -F OUTPUT
[01:36] <pippijn> done
[01:36] <cafuego> pippijn: Adding rules AFTER other rules in my cases won't do much.
[01:37] <cafuego> s/my/many/
[01:37] <blmartin777> need help with moc
[01:37] <blmartin777> mpc
[01:37] <pippijn> cafuego: I did iptables --flush
[01:37] <pippijn> then I did your rule
[01:37] <Slipaway172> OoOooh thanks
[01:37] <crimsun> blmartin777, what's wrong with mpc?
[01:37] <cafuego> nalioth: Must be an irssi version issue.
[01:37] <pippijn> cafuego: can you try again?
[01:37] <IFRFLYR> cafuego...yeah, see, that didn't work...:(
[01:38] <IFRFLYR> cafuego...yeah, see, that WORKED. Thanks!! :)
[01:38] <nems> I need to know how to get the default kernel image from the cd back installed.... I recompiled the kernel and now I cant type
[01:38] <cafuego> IFRFLYR: ANyway, bool in_array("needle", $haystack);
[01:38] <cafuego> pippijn: no joy
[01:38] <pippijn> :(
[01:38] <IFRFLYR> LOL cafuego, thanks
[01:38] <nalioth> cafuego: well, the SOB worked earlier
[01:38] <pippijn> it seems impossible
[01:38] <pippijn> cafuego: you know what I am doing?
[01:38] <gooktime> hmm, if I move from my onboard sound to an audigy 2 or something, can I just re-run the hardware detection/setup somehow?
[01:39] <pippijn> it's like this:
[01:39] <cafuego> nalioth: You BROKE it!
[01:39] <pippijn> I have a NAT and two computers on it
[01:39] <blmartin777> crimsun, it won't play
[01:39] <pippijn> 192.168.0.123 and 192.168.0.124
[01:39] <crimsun> gooktime, you can just disable your onboard via the bios setting
[01:39] <gooktime> yeah, I mean in ubuntu
[01:39] <pippijn> the port 22 is forwarded from the NAT to .123
[01:39] <crimsun> gooktime, your audigy2 will be picked up automatically
[01:39] <pippijn> then, I set in .123 to forward 22 to .124
[01:39] <paulproteus> gooktime: Automatically.
[01:39] <gooktime> that's excellent :)(
[01:39] <paulproteus> Automagically, I meant.
[01:39] <blmartin777> it starts for a millisecond and then stops
[01:39] <crimsun> gooktime, though you'll need to unmute the 'Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack'
[01:39] <pippijn> cafuego: is that at all possible?
[01:40] <Mez> hehe: http://www.sourceguru.net/article/19/google-porn
[01:40] <cs378> if i install ubuntu in dual mode, i can uninstall it without any problems right?
[01:40] <cafuego> pippijn: Sure. But the question begs: why?
[01:40] <crimsun> blmartin777, I need more detail.
[01:40] <nalioth> cafuego: yes, it joins my dead iBook G4
[01:40] <dam_> ok so i have a creative ISA sound card, using IRQ 5, DMA 1,5. what now?
[01:40] <cafuego> nalioth: Can you swap that for a new one?
[01:40] <paulproteus> nalioth: Aww, how did it break?
[01:40] <hihi5> anyone ever download ringtones or java games to an LG phone using linux? send me a msg
[01:40] <pippijn> cafuego: because I can't seem to be able to set up a NAT in linux properly so 22 is forwarded to 172.16.200.124
[01:40] <cs378> help with my question plz
[01:40] <cafuego> pippijn: Does it work OK when you just redirect from therrouter to .124 directly?
[01:40] <paulproteus> cs378: Depends. What's your question?
[01:40] <nalioth> cafuego: it is under APP, at most i'll get a 'new' refurb
[01:40] <poningru> cs378: whats the problem?
[01:41] <nalioth> paulproteus: heat kills
[01:41] <poningru> oh
[01:41] <cs378> if i install ubuntu in dual mode, i can uninstall it without any problems right?
[01:41] <paulproteus> nalioth: Do you know what it killed, though?
[01:41] <cafuego> nalioth: WHich revision was it?
[01:41] <poningru> cs378: yes you can uninstall it without problem
[01:41] <blmartin777> crimsun, I have a playlist the songs are there but when I run 'mpc play' it acts like it start but stops right away
[01:41] <Prozac> ok....before i do anything drastic, can someone please explain to me as to why linux is better than windows?
[01:41] <nems> I need to know how to get the default kernel image from the cd back installed.... I recompiled the kernel and now I cant type
[01:41] <cs378> ok thx u
[01:41] <nalioth> paulproteus: extended operation in a high heat environment
[01:41] <cs378> sry for being such a newbie
[01:41] <nalioth> cafuego: its a iBook G4 1.2ghz early 2004
[01:41] <poningru> cs378: np we were all noobs once
[01:41] <cs378> :)
[01:41] <cafuego> nalioth: Okay, I think mine's the version after that.
[01:41] <dam_> ok so i have a creative ISA sound card, using IRQ 5, DMA 1,5. what now?
[01:42] <paulproteus> nalioth: You insensitive clod, I have an early 2004 *1* Ghz ibook!
[01:42] <poningru> contrary to what others will tell you
[01:42] <poningru> hahahaha
[01:42] <cafuego> nalioth: I have a friend who had 14" early '04 model, which died too. She got a completely new one.
[01:42] <dam_> what do i modprobe?
[01:42] <paulproteus> dam_: sb
[01:42] <paulproteus> snd-sb
[01:42] <paulproteus> rather.
[01:42] <nalioth> cafuego: we'll see
[01:42] <paulproteus> Either snd-sb or snd-sb16
[01:42] <Prozac> ok....before i do anything drastic, can someone please explain to me as to why linux is better than windows?
[01:42] <cafuego> nalioth: .. hers had had other issue too, busted mobo, busted hd...
[01:42] <poningru> cs378: do you know how to setup the dual boot?
[01:43] <HrdwrBoB> Prozac: because it's Free and free
[01:43] <dam_> dam@ubuntu:~$ sudo modprobe snd-sb
[01:43] <cs378> no
[01:43] <dam_> Password:
[01:43] <dam_> FATAL: Module snd_sb not found.
[01:43] <nalioth> cafuego: i replaced the HD in my G3 ibook, apple replaced the mobo in the G3 ibook
[01:43] <cs378> poningru: no
[01:43] <kemik> Prozac: depends on your needs really, but for one, its free
[01:43] <nalioth> cafuego: the G3 soldiers on
[01:43] <paulproteus> snd-sb16 , maybe, dam_.
[01:43] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: Who would I mail about mirroring that iso at vicnet?
[01:43] <poningru> !dualboot
[01:43] <ubotu> it has been said that dualboot is http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38398 or ask me about <grub>
[01:43] <nems> Can anyone please help me figure out how to replace my kernel image with the one from the cd? I recompiled the kernel and screwed it up :/
[01:43] <poningru> cs378: did you get that
[01:43] <kemik> Prozac: for servers, most ppl find linux more stable than windows
[01:43] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: I did message you about this :)
[01:43] <cafuego> nalioth: yeah, mine too... it's helping someone through school atm ;-)
[01:43] <Spud_> when i use wine to install something is it uninstalled when wine is exited?
[01:43] <crimsun> dam_, snd-sb16
[01:44] <kemik> Spud_: no, it's still there
[01:44] <cs378> poningru: oh, i will check the forum out, im loadin the cd into my laptop now
[01:44] <poningru> cs378: ok thats not it
[01:44] <dam_> paulproteus, mmm, no errors how do i tell if it works?
[01:44] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: That would not be highly useful if you weren't identified with nickserv; the system would block ya ;-)
[01:44] <Spud_> hmm could you please tel me where i could find it?
[01:44] <cs378> poningru: whats not it
[01:44] <HrdwrBoB> oh heh
[01:44] <kemik> Spud_: once installed, in order to start it again "wine path\binary.exe"
[01:44] <hihi5> anyone ever download ringtones or java games to an LG phone using linux? send me a msg
[01:44] <kemik> Spud_: that depends on where you installed it
[01:44] <paulproteus> dam_: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
[01:44] <Spud_> what is binary equal to?
[01:44] <paulproteus> Then crank up the volume, dam_ .
[01:44] <kemik> the executable file
[01:44] <Spud_> c:\
[01:45] <slashzero> I some how managed to remove my lo interface from start up but it loads if I run ifconfig lo up 127.0.0.1
[01:45] <Spud_> sorry im a complete n00b to this
[01:45] <nems> I need to know how to get the default kernel image from the cd back installed.... I recompiled the kernel and now I cant type
[01:45] <kemik> what did you install, and where did you install it?
[01:45] <poningru> cs378: that link is not the correct help
[01:45] <Spud_> excursion...an irc prog and to c
[01:45] <Spud_> but i cant even find c
[01:45] <poningru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo?highlight=%28dual%29%7C%28boot%29
[01:45] <paulproteus> nems: Did you recompile the kernel using the make-kpkg program, or entirely by hand, nems?
[01:46] <kemik> C: is something only Wine knows about
[01:46] <kemik> so
[01:46] <poningru> !windowsdualboot
[01:46] <ubotu> poningru: I don't know, could you explain it?
[01:46] <paulproteus> nems: Also, can't you just switch which kernel you use from Grub?
[01:46] <poningru> !dualboot
[01:46] <ubotu> methinks dualboot is http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38398 or ask me about <grub>
[01:46] <kemik> syntax should be something like; "wine c:\excursion.exe"
[01:46] <nems> paulproteus: I did it using make-kpkg
[01:46] <paulproteus> nems: Then do "dpkg -r name-of-your-kernel-package"
[01:46] <Spud_> ok thanks ill check it out
[01:46] <paulproteus> nems: You can SSH in, right?
[01:46] <dam_> paulproteus, nothing happens when i run 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp'
[01:46] <nems> kinda
[01:47] <nems> I'm not sure.. I booted up and I'm on the ubuntu disk now
[01:47] <paulproteus> dam_: What kind of nothing?
[01:47] <paulproteus> Like, you get the console back?
[01:47] <nems> chrooted into my setup
[01:47] <paulproteus> An error message?
[01:47] <paulproteus> nems: You should be able to switch kernels via grub on boot.
[01:47] <nems> hrm
[01:47] <dam_> dam@ubuntu:~$ cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
[01:47] <poningru> cs378: did you get the one I gave?
[01:47] <nems> how>
[01:47] <paulproteus> There's a thing like "Press ESC to see menu. 3... 2... 1..." and then it boots
[01:47] <dam_> nothing
[01:47] <poningru> the second one
[01:47] <nems> ok.. let me reboot nad try it again
[01:47] <puff> Hm, do i need bittorrent to get the ubuntu installer?
[01:47] <paulproteus> dam_: And then it hangs?
[01:47] <paulproteus> puff: No.
[01:47] <nems> how do I permanently remove the kernel thats broken?
[01:47] <dam_> paulproteus, doesnt error, doesnt run, nothing.
[01:48] <poningru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[01:48] <cs378> poningru: ok lokin at it now
[01:48] <cs378> poningruthx
[01:48] <puff> The ubuntu installer page takes me to http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/
[01:48] <poningru> np
[01:48] <dam_> paulproteus, i suppose it could be running but im not getting anything pop up
[01:48] <paulproteus> puff: Great. Follow the mirror links.
[01:48] <dam_> paulproteus, do i need to play a song?
[01:48] <State> hello world
[01:48] <paulproteus> dam_: Crank up the volume.
[01:48] <poningru> anyone have any probs changing !dualboot to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[01:48] <paulproteus> dam_: Try a song instead, yeah.
[01:48] <poningru> anyone?
[01:49] <poningru> ubotu: !dualboot is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[01:49] <ubotu> poningru: okay
[01:49] <dam_> paulproteus, sweet
[01:49] <paulproteus> poningru: Go ahead.
[01:49] <poningru> !dualboot
[01:49] <ubotu> dualboot is probably http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38398 or ask me about <grub>
[01:49] <State> :P
[01:49] <nalioth> poningru: i think they locked the bot
[01:49] <puff> Hm, I thought I had, guess I must have clicked the wrong link.
[01:49] <funkyHat> hi State
[01:49] <poningru> oh
[01:49] <State> hi funkyHat
[01:50] <rob^> ubotu dualboot is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[01:50] <ubotu> ...but dualboot is already something else...
[01:50] <rob^> ubotu forget dualboot
[01:50] <ubotu> rob^: i forgot dualboot
[01:50] <rob^> ubotu dualboot is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[01:50] <Magnus-swe> i need some help testing my latest beta software (c/gtk+) for isc bind if anyone is interrested.
[01:50] <rob^> hmm, I did remember some talk about people adding inapproprate things to the bot a while back..
[01:51] <rob^> !dualboot
[01:51] <ubotu> rob^: Are you smoking crack?
[01:51] <dam_> paulproteus, volume control works, i can turn the HISS up and down. musicplayer gives errors. such as cannot pause, and cannot write to device properly
[01:51] <rob^> ubotu dualboot is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[01:51] <ubotu> rob^: okay
[01:51] <mebaran151> could you direct me to a good resource to set up ssh an d scp
[01:51] <rob^> !dualboot
[01:51] <paulproteus> mebaran151: apt-get install openssh-server
[01:51] <paulproteus> Then it just works.
[01:51] <funkyHat> rob^, ubotu is too busy smoking crack
[01:51] <paulproteus> No "setting up" required.
[01:51] <rob^> !dualboot
[01:51] <ubotu> from memory, dualboot is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[01:51] <dam_> paulproteus, could not open resouce for writing
[01:51] <paulproteus> !crack
[01:51] <ubotu> paulproteus: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[01:51] <rob^> there we go
[01:52] <nalioth> looks like "stupid bot tricks" in here today
[01:52] <funkyHat> ubotu, put the pipe down and listen!
[01:52] <ubotu> funkyHat: Bugger all, i dunno
[01:52] <paulproteus> !dance
[01:52] <ubotu> paulproteus: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[01:52] <cafuego> !botabuse
[01:52] <ubotu> cafuego: Are you smoking crack?
[01:52] <paulproteus> dam_: Do this on a console:
[01:52] <paulproteus> esd &
[01:52] <cafuego> How dare you!
[01:52] <funkyHat> !distrowar
[01:52] <ubotu> funkyHat: No idea
[01:52] <funkyHat> ow :(
[01:52] <Slipaway172> did yall hear about the fusion reactor that has enough power to power the whole world and enough enegry to SPLIT the world in two if something goes wrong?
[01:53] <cafuego> !botabuse
[01:53] <ubotu> You can play with me on #debian-bots without being banned.
[01:53] <dam_> paulproteus, i heard something
[01:53] <poningru> whos incharge of ubotu?
[01:53] <paulproteus> dam_: Good. Now play a song.
[01:53] <delire> time to fly
[01:53] <funkyHat> !distrowar
[01:53] <ubotu> from memory, distrowar is gentoo is faster than ubuntu!
[01:53] <cafuego> Slipaway172: What, the sun?
[01:53] <poningru> !dualboot
[01:53] <ubotu> well, dualboot is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[01:53] <poningru> wtf
[01:54] <kemik> dont think the sun would split earth
[01:54] <cs378> poningru: ?, wa wtf
[01:54] <dam_> paulproteus, champion, youve now freed up a PCI slot for something else.
[01:54] <kemik> more like, vaporize
[01:54] <cafuego> kemik: if you shaped it, sure it could ;-)
[01:54] <cs378> poningru:its givin the right link to the wiki
[01:54] <paulproteus> dam_: Hooray, I think....
[01:54] <kemik> heh. well, good luck shaping it ;)
[01:54] <dam_> paulproteus, can you reccommend a place where i can put all this INFO on awebsite?
[01:54] <dam_> paulproteus, so i dont have to bother you guys again
[01:54] <Slipaway172> no
[01:54] <Slipaway172> it is a reactor
[01:54] <funkyHat> dam_, the ubuntu wiki :)
[01:54] <Slipaway172> its dam scary
[01:55] <kemik> Slipaway172: no, its not even close to a reactor yet
[01:55] <paulproteus> dam_: You could have skipped the "esd & " bit and just logged out and logged in.
[01:55] <Slipaway172> i know but i will still be liveing by then
[01:55] <dam_> paulproteus, ok cool, i should be right then...
[01:55] <kemik> all they done is decide to build a test reactor in france
[01:55] <paulproteus> dam_: I'm surprised that the Ubuntu hotplug program didn't detect your SoundBlaster card automatically.
[01:55] <poningru> yeah rob^ fixed it
[01:55] <boo_boo> need help with gnomeboy, no sound
[01:55] <dam_> funkyHat, can i create my own section?
[01:55] <cafuego> is this one of those nanosecond fusion experimental setups that eats more power that it currently produces?
[01:55] <poningru> dam_: what info?
[01:55] <funkyHat> dam_, i think that's the point of a wiki...
[01:55] <poningru> cause you can put it on the wiki
[01:55] <kemik> Slipaway172: and who told you it'd split earth ?!
[01:56] <dam_> paulproteus, the commands you gave me, modprobe , cat , etc...
[01:56] <poningru> wiki.ubuntu.org
[01:56] <Slipaway172> then how about the reactor from the soviet union, in about 20 years it will crack the cement and go to the earth core and will cause a undefiniate amount of damage
[01:56] <funkyHat> yeah i'm pretty sure you can add your own articles
[01:56] <cafuego> Headline: Hydrogen fusion causes Silicon fission!
[01:56] <poningru> anyone need help?
[01:56] <dam_> ok. im about to try installing a ISA nic.
[01:57] <paulproteus> dam_: To make that happen again, you will need to append "snd-sb16" (without the quotes) to the end of /etc/modules
[01:57] <rob^> poningru, I'm sure they will ask
[01:57] <cafuego> Slipaway172: A ton of plutonuim will cause 0 damage to the earh's core, which contains several gigatonnes (no, more) of uranium.
[01:57] <kemik> Slipaway172: yay! stop trolling please
[01:57] <shawn___> ok.. I got booted in my old kernel... how do I permanently remove the new kernel?
[01:57] <paulproteus> dam_: Oh, god help us. It's "Return of the ISA Monsters"!
[01:57] <cafuego> Slipaway172: Time to take physics at school.
[01:57] <paulproteus> shawn___: dpkg -r the package
[01:57] <shawn___> I tried that...
[01:57] <dam_> who wants to help me?
[01:57] <Slipaway172> that will be next year
[01:57] <shawn___> it tells me its not installed.
[01:57] <paulproteus> shawn___: And what happened?
[01:57] <funkyHat> dam_, you have ISA ports? :|
[01:57] <cafuego> And put that stupid 'the core" movie away.
[01:57] <funkyHat> *slots
[01:57] <Slipaway172> anyways cnn was explain what could happen
[01:57] <shawn___> it tells me its not installed.
[01:57] <dam_> yeah im running a 533, with 380meg ram, 4gig HD.
[01:58] <cafuego> Slipaway172: Nothing will happen.
[01:58] <sorush20> guys how do I get my scanner to work with my Ubuntu...
[01:58] <dam_> just trying to build old PC's to look good.
[01:58] <HrdwrBoB> Slipaway172: go away quick, you need a tinfoil hat
[01:58] <paulproteus> shawn___: dpkg -l
[01:58] <paulproteus> That will list the packages.
[01:58] <shawn___> I did.
[01:58] <HrdwrBoB> in other news, has anyone else had trouble with mplayer in hoary and ac3 audio (lib152)
[01:58] <funkyHat> Slipaway172, unless you can think of a direct link between ubuntu and nuclear fustion reactors, please tell someone else. :)
[01:58] <paulproteus> Look through the list for anything beginning with kernel- or linux-
[01:58] <rob^> man, there have been a lot of security updates in the last few days :)
[01:58] <HrdwrBoB> mplayer dies with MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: decode_audio
[01:58] <paulproteus> rob^: Does that mean you're downloading them now?
[01:58] <Slipaway172> lol
[01:59] <cafuego> Slipaway172: They're just reporting crap to divert attention from *actual* issues. most news channels do... LOOK AT THE SHINY TERRORIST!!!
[01:59] <shawn___> ahh
[01:59] <poningru> hehe
[01:59] <shawn___> it cut off the name I think
[01:59] <HrdwrBoB> (on two seperate machines, with all sorts of files
[01:59] <rob^> paulproteus, no, just one for vim at the moment
[01:59] <cs378> i am installin ubuntu now, says i have network problem with DHCP protocol. the ethernet hardware has been detected
[01:59] <paulproteus> rob^: Aww, shucks.
[01:59] <rob^> haha
[01:59] <poningru> cs378: how do you connect to internet?
[01:59] <puff> Hm, anybody know where to find a Linux System Rescue CD download, other than sysresccd.org, which isn't responding right now?
[01:59] <shawn___> I get "This is an essential package and should not be removed"
[01:59] <robertj> does about me play nice with pam and co?
[02:00] <sorush20> Guys my scanner is present in device manager but I can't get it to work...
[02:00] <rob^> puff, knoppix
[02:00] <tahorg> puff: ubuntu live !
[02:00] <puff> rob^: mainly I need qtpartd.
[02:00] <cafuego> puff: Your install CD.
[02:00] <cs378> poningru: laptop is conected to the router, i router connected to the cable modem
[02:00] <occy> Do I need to download a special Hoary disk for AMD Athlon 64?
[02:00] <rob^> yes, gtparted is in knoppix
[02:00] <vitriol> ubuntu uses xorg right? and the current stable release is hoary?
[02:00] <benplaut> don't listen to cafuego :P
[02:00] <puff> so the ubuntun install CD can handle the reparittioning?
[02:00] <mebaran151> cd av
[02:00] <cafuego> occy: yes, the x86_64 (amd64) one
[02:00] <rob^> Virtuall, yeah
[02:00] <mebaran151> sorry whoops wrong place
[02:00] <occy> cafuego, okies danke
[02:00] <poningru> cs378: it shouldnt cause any probs
[02:00] <rob^> doh
[02:00] <nalioth> puff: yes it can
[02:00] <shawn___> paulproteus: how do I get around that?
[02:01] <funkyHat> does anyone else miss the way you can middle click in a browser window and move the mouse to make it scroll? or is there a way to make that work?
[02:01] <puff> nalioth: Danke.
[02:01] <rob^> vitriol, yes
[02:01] <puff> Okay, not to worry about that then.
[02:01] <vitriol> rob^: ok thanks
[02:01] <mebaran151> paulproteus, no keygen or nothing for sshd?
[02:01] <poningru> cs378: what was the error?
[02:01] <cs378> poningru: ... but getting Network autoconfiguration failed, should i just continue
[02:01] <cafuego> occy: Though the i386 one will work fine too (especially for multimedia like DVDs, DivX, flash and Java)
[02:01] <nalioth> mebaran151: keygen?
[02:01] <poningru> cs378: hmm you sure everything is connected correctly?
[02:01] <poningru> wireless wont work
[02:01] <cs378> poningru: i was on the internet with windows xp loaded b4
[02:01] <paulproteus> mebaran151: What OS did you run before Ubuntu?
[02:02] <puff> Is there a page somewhere that explains why ubuntu exists?
[02:02] <cafuego> puff: The Ubuntu install CD does partitioning, setting up of LVM and/or RAID0-5.
[02:02] <rob^> poningru, thats not 100% true, it depends on your hardware
[02:02] <paulproteus> puff: www.ubuntulinux.org ?
[02:02] <mebaran151> paulproteus, Windows ....
[02:02] <nalioth> puff: https://wiki.ubuntu.com
[02:02] <cafuego> puff: It might not have a clicky-pointy app for it, but it works fine.
[02:02] <poningru> rob^: are you telling me wireless might work during install?
[02:02] <poningru> woah
[02:02] <poningru> ubuntu is far ahead than I thought
[02:02] <puff> They seem pretty debian-esque, I'm wondering what their motivation is for doing a distinct project.
[02:02] <rob^> poningru, I doubt the install procedure has the modules for it, but you can add them, it is the debian installer
[02:03] <paulproteus> puff: There's a manifesto.
[02:03] <cafuego> puff: Newer desktop software; dbian doesn't have that focus.
[02:03] <paulproteus> puff: Crawl around ubuntu.com. There are good reasons, like polish and desktop use.
[02:03] <dam_> poningru, how do i create my own page?
[02:03] <shawn___> paulproteus: how do I get around that it telling me "Thats an essential package and shouldnt be removed"?
[02:03] <mebaran151> paulproteus, how do I get it to forward X11
[02:03] <mebaran151> or should I let it do that
[02:03] <paulproteus> mebaran151: Are you in X11 currently?
[02:03] <robertj> btw, anyone know of a nifty way to pipe the current chat buffer in xchat into the command line and then back into the window (not posted to the channel)
[02:03] <mebaran151> paulproteus, yeah
[02:04] <paulproteus> mebaran151: And you want to ssh to a remote computer, and let programs you run on that remote computer appear on your local monitor?
[02:04] <robertj> I'm always wanting to grep for someones name to view their last x lines and so forth
[02:04] <paulproteus> Then ssh -X user@remotehost
[02:04] <paulproteus> robertj: That's be neat for me in gaim, too.
[02:04] <paulproteus> I should suggest it to the developers.
[02:04] <crimsun> you guys should be using irssi, then
[02:04] <poningru> dam_: what page do you want?
[02:04] <poningru> to create?
[02:04] <robertj> crimsun: I like my GUI!
[02:04] <poningru> what title did you want it?
[02:04] <mebaran151> paulproteus, will it work with Windows
[02:04] <paulproteus> mebaran151: ...?
[02:04] <mebaran151> if you use an ssh client
[02:04] <mebaran151> can you forward X
[02:04] <crimsun> robertj, then load irssi's proxy and connect to it using x-chat
[02:05] <mebaran151> or will they have to run their own X server
[02:05] <paulproteus> mebaran151: Do you have X clients on the Windows machine?
[02:05] <robertj> crimsun: hrmm, interesting
[02:05] <poningru> cs378: you may wanna restart the installer because it helps at the end
[02:05] <moparfan90> when i have a install.sh file and open it. it says open it terminal. then opens and closes right away. howdo i install it??
[02:05] <cafuego> mebaran151: You ssh FROm the box with X, and run apps anywhere that allows X11Forwarding
[02:05] <poningru> but internet is not necessary
[02:05] <mebaran151> yeah
[02:05] <poningru> for installation
[02:05] <dam_> poningru, i want to be able to save what ive learnt with ubuntu on webpage that i can access anytime.
[02:05] <moparfan90> yeah
[02:05] <paulproteus> mebaran151: Well, if you have an SSH server running on Windows, and X clients on that machine...
[02:05] <paulproteus> Then ssh -X user@remotehost
[02:05] <moparfan90> when i have a install.sh file and open it. it says open it terminal. then opens and closes right away. howdo i install it????????????????????????????????
[02:05] <rob^> dam_, are you sure its not already covered?
[02:05] <poningru> dam_: what title did you want for the page is the question
[02:06] <cafuego> ssh -X -C user@host (compression helps)
[02:06] <poningru> sorry I should have been more clear
[02:06] <rob^> dam_, have a look here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation and also do a search
[02:06] <cs378> poningru
[02:06] <mebaran151> paulproteus, other way around
[02:06] <mebaran151> linux ssh server
[02:06] <paulproteus> mebaran151: Then the Windows machine must be running an X server.
[02:06] <cs378> poningru: ill restart the installer then
[02:06] <paulproteus> You can get one from Cygwin.
[02:06] <shawn___> how do I get around that it telling me "Thats an essential package and shouldnt be removed" when I try and uninstall a bad kernel....
[02:06] <mebaran151> ah I see
[02:06] <funkyHat> dam_, if you want free webspace, www.memebot.org is pretty good. and will automatically configure a blog or a wiki for you if you want, otherwise you can use ftp to upload pages
[02:06] <paulproteus> shawn___: What package name?
[02:06] <paulproteus> funkyHat: He wants to add to the wiki.
[02:07] <paulproteus> dam_: It may also be easier to just make a post in the HOWTO section of the Ubuntu forum.
[02:07] <poningru> cs378: ok how did you repartition your hard drive?
[02:07] <shawn___> paulproteus: kernel-image-2.6.11custom
[02:07] <funkyHat> paulproteus, yes :)
[02:07] <shawn___> nevfermind
[02:07] <shawn___> it was 2.6.10
[02:07] <boo_boo> poningru: could you help with no sound issue in gnomeboy
[02:07] <rob^> dam_, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnEditing
[02:07] <poningru> dam_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/put_page_title_here
[02:07] <Burgundavia> paulproteus, dam_ the best place would be the wiki
[02:07] <cs378> poningru: not up to that yet, still need to configure the network
[02:07] <paulproteus> Burgundavia: Okay.
[02:07] <poningru> cs378: you have to repartition the hd before hand
[02:07] <moparfan90> if i d/l a file do i d/l the .bz2 or .gz ?????
[02:08] <poningru> you can use system rescue cd
[02:08] <poningru> !dualboot
[02:08] <ubotu> from memory, dualboot is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[02:08] <paulproteus> moparfan90: Either one.
[02:08] <spermie_411> I'm getting alot of this when i try to apt-get something, Failed to fetch http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/dists/hoary-backports/main /binary-i386/mozilla-firefox_1.0.4-1ubuntu3~5.04ubp5_all.deb 404 Not Found
[02:08] <shawn___> No I get "Errors encountered while processing grep"
[02:08] <paulproteus> moparfan90: They have the same contents. The bz2 is smaller.
[02:08] <moparfan90> o
[02:08] <HrdwrBoB> spermie_411: run apt-get update
[02:08] <moparfan90> oo
[02:08] <paulproteus> spermie_411: Are you using Synaptic or apt-get or what?
[02:08] <cs378> poningru: ohhh, then ill dl that systemresouce iso then
[02:08] <Razor-X> boo_boo: GnomeBoy is just a VBA frontent
[02:08] <paulproteus> In Synaptic, hit reload.
[02:08] <spermie_411> paulproteus Apt-get
[02:08] <poningru> cs378: you can use the installer
[02:08] <poningru> but its not so user friendly
[02:09] <poningru> I mean you can do it
[02:09] <moparfan90> paulproteus, how do i un the .sh file..... when i try to open it it says open it termeinal then closes?????
[02:09] <rob^> poningru, cs378 see the alternative way also at the bottom of that page
[02:09] <mebaran151> is there any easy way to stream over ssh
[02:09] <paulproteus> mebaran151: Stream what?
[02:09] <mebaran151> or any easy streaming technology like such
[02:09] <spermie_411> HrdwrBoB i ran apt-update in get an error also
[02:09] <Razor-X> mebaran151: you can forward any traffic over SSH
[02:09] <mebaran151> paulproteus, files
[02:09] <cs378> poningru: ohk, then ill skip the network thing,
[02:09] <boo_boo> razor-x: ok, but when i open a rom it runs fine, although no sound
[02:09] <paulproteus> mebaran151: debian-administration.org did a special on gnump3d if you want music streaming
[02:09] <Razor-X> as long as there's a constant out stream, you can forward it through SSH
[02:10] <Razor-X> boo_boo: do you have any other sound applications running?
[02:10] <mebaran151> Razor-X, yeah I know
[02:10] <poningru> cs378: did it give you trouble again?
[02:10] <boo_boo> razor-x: no
[02:10] <poningru> with the network?
[02:10] <mebaran151> but can you easily pipe what ssh is scp to another app
[02:10] <Razor-X> boo_boo: try looking at your VBA config files
[02:10] <moparfan90> paulproteus, how do i install the .sh file..... when i try to open it it says open it termeinal then closes?????
[02:10] <_simple> i have a pretty newb question..
[02:10] <mebaran151> like a DivX player, or must you copy the whole thing?
[02:10] <cs378> poningru: haha, i just put in any name for the hostname n worked ...hmmmm
[02:10] <paulproteus> moparfan90: Open a terminal.
[02:11] <paulproteus> Then find the thing you wanted.
[02:11] <Razor-X> mebaran151: you mean, you want to tunnel a SCP session?
[02:11] <paulproteus> Then run it with ./filename
[02:11] <moparfan90> ok
[02:11] <_simple> i installed firefox 1.0.6 into ~/simple/.mozilla, how can i make firefox be a command that runs firefox?
[02:11] <poningru> cs378: heh yeah you need a host name for your router
[02:11] <paulproteus> _simple: Do you really mean /home/simple/simple/.mozilla ?
[02:11] <rtcm> using breezy in which package should 'xset' be? (yes, I know X is kind of broken)
[02:11] <_simple> like firefox %u used to work
[02:11] <paulproteus> That's bizarre.
[02:11] <_simple> no
[02:11] <_simple> ~/.mozilla
[02:11] <_simple> ~/.mozilla/firefox
[02:11] <Razor-X> _simple: open up your .bashrc
[02:11] <shawn___> paulproteus: any ideas?
[02:11] <paulproteus> xutils or similar, rtcm
[02:11] <Razor-X> and then, add in an alias
[02:11] <cs378> poningru: brb, gotta go out, thx very much for ur help
[02:11] <paulproteus> shawn___: Read the manual page for dpkg
[02:12] <paulproteus> There's various force options, if I recall correctly.
[02:12] <poningru> cs378: yeah np
[02:12] <paulproteus> Find the one that is relevant for what you want.
[02:12] <shawn___> ok.. and look for what?
[02:12] <mebaran151> Razor-X, I think so
[02:12] <paulproteus> There's various force options, if I recall correctly.
[02:12] <mebaran151> I just decided on a whim today to use scp for this
[02:12] <shawn___> I've read it before and I dont see how grep is interfering with uninstalling mykernel
[02:12] <Razor-X> mebaran151: then... why not?
[02:12] <mebaran151> uh
[02:12] <Razor-X> it'll work
[02:12] <mebaran151> the receiver is on windows
[02:12] <paulproteus> shawn___: Huh?
[02:12] <puff> Hm, is there something tricky t using bittorrent? I installed the bittorrent client and tried to download the ubuntu live torrent, it says "0% done 18 days remaining"
[02:12] <Razor-X> mebaran151: and?
[02:12] <_simple> so
[02:12] <paulproteus> What does grep have to do with this?
[02:12] <paulproteus> puff: Wait a moment.
[02:12] <mebaran151> I need to make it relatively easy for him
[02:12] <shawn___> Now I get "Errors encountered while processing: grep"
[02:12] <poningru> puff: do you have a router?
[02:12] <moparfan90> i cant get it to work
[02:12] <Razor-X> so, you're hosting a server and forwarding through SSH?
[02:12] <Amphibious_Tank> Hello everyone, I have a question: What is the best utility in Ubuntu for resizing linux partitions?
[02:12] <shawn___> paulproteus: when I try and remove m kernel
[02:12] <mebaran151> basically yes
[02:13] <_simple> alias /home/simple/.mozilla/firefox/firefox?
[02:13] <paulproteus> shawn___: join #flood
[02:13] <poningru> Amphibious_Tank: qtparted imho
[02:13] <Razor-X> ok hmmm....
[02:13] <mebaran151> I'd like to make it seem as transparent as a mount
[02:13] <moparfan90> paulproteus, the file name is install-sh what do i type ??
[02:13] <Razor-X> can't he use pscp?
[02:13] <puff> poningru: Yes, I have a router, good point, the firewall may be blocking it.
[02:13] <Razor-X> (Putty's scp client)
[02:13] <black13> while using debootstrap i keep getting errors about setting the locale what does this mean?
[02:13] <Amphibious_Tank> poingru: does that come on a normal install of Ubuntu?
[02:13] <Razor-X> black13: that means your locale is not set
[02:13] <puff> Nothing explicitly should be blocking it, but the sysadmin who set that firewall up has a tendency to do things like uninstalling finger, Just In Case.
[02:14] <Razor-X> if you don't know what locale is... should you really be messing with deboostrap?
[02:14] <poningru> Amphibious_Tank: not sure let me check
[02:14] <Amphibious_Tank> I don't think it does.
[02:14] <moparfan90> paulproteus, the file name is install-sh what do i type ??
[02:14] <black13> Razaor-X we only by trying
[02:14] <black13> Razaor-X we only learn by trying
[02:14] <black13> or typing heh
[02:14] <paulproteus> moparfan90: ./install-sh
[02:14] <puff> Then again, if I understand this correctly, bittorrent expects you to listen for incoming requests and serve them, and I could easily see the firewall blocking that.
[02:14] <Razor-X> black13: you don't jump into a pool if you don't know how to walk ;)
[02:14] <poningru> Amphibious_Tank: yes it does
[02:15] <Razor-X> you don't try and learn Beethoven if you can't talk
[02:15] <poningru> look through your synaptic package manager
[02:15] <poningru> or apt-get install qtparted
[02:15] <Razor-X> I suggest getting familiar with the console, and booting
[02:15] <black13> Razor-X can i ask you a question
[02:15] <Razor-X> (about a week's reading material)
[02:15] <moparfan90> i got a bash
[02:15] <Razor-X> and then come back to your project
[02:15] <paulproteus> Razor-X: Actually, babies can swim really well.
[02:15] <lcharly_TheOne> the new version of ubuntu is breezy??
[02:15] <paulproteus> Razor-X: Even if they can't walk. I'm talking six weeks here.
[02:15] <Razor-X> paulproteus: in a 5 foot pool?
[02:15] <paulproteus> lcharly_TheOne: It's not out yet.
[02:15] <poningru> lcharly_TheOne: yes thats the next version
[02:15] <paulproteus> Razor-X: Yeah. They float, so it's not a big deal.
[02:15] <Syedburns> hello hello
[02:15] <lcharly_TheOne> but in the page is out yey
[02:16] <Razor-X> paulproteus: and your kid stays still in the water?
[02:16] <lcharly_TheOne> yet
[02:16] <paulproteus> Razor-X: "Trust me, I'm a cognitive science major." Or google baby+swim or something.
[02:16] <Razor-X> my sister and your kid is totally different ;)
[02:16] <lcharly_TheOne> a can download it
[02:16] <paulproteus> Razor-X: I'm in college. No kids yet.
[02:16] <Amphibious_Tank> ok thanks poningru.
[02:16] <Mobius> Hey, its not every day you enter the ubuntu channel and people are talking about floating babies..
[02:16] <lcharly_TheOne> http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/daily/current/
[02:16] <poningru> Amphibious_Tank: np
[02:16] <black13> Razor-X whats with the attitude?
[02:16] <Razor-X> oh, well, they may float, but i'm pretty sure babies move around in the water
[02:16] <paulproteus> lcharly_TheOne: Just 'cause it's there doesn't mean it won't blow up in your face. :)
[02:16] <Razor-X> black13: it's not attitude, a week of reading won't hurt
[02:16] <Razor-X> if something goes wrong, then, it'll be hard, trust me
[02:17] <drummer> Could someone help me with a printer problem? (HP Laserjet 4050)
[02:17] <Razor-X> it's nice to get familiar with the bootup process and the command line (just a week's worth)
[02:17] <poningru> black13: right now you do need some reading done
[02:17] <lcharly_TheOne> i have a problem with my laptop don't work in ubunut
[02:17] <poningru> but its not a week
[02:17] <pax> !backports
[02:17] <ubotu> I heard backports is http://backports.ubuntuforums.org | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[02:17] <Mobius> Anyone have any suggestions for a usb key flash drive that they use with ubuntu with no problems?
[02:17] <Razor-X> I guess i'm the only one nowadays who wants to learn ;)
[02:17] <poningru> if you are a complete newbie you can probably get the reading done in couple of days
[02:17] <lcharly_TheOne> is a compaq presario v2312US with amd turion 64
[02:17] <Razor-X> ``Frontent shmontend, fix my problem ;)''
[02:17] <paulproteus> drummer: Well, tell us the problem.
[02:17] <pax> ubotu forget backports
[02:17] <ubotu> i forgot backports, pax
[02:17] <lcharly_TheOne> but ubuntu amd 64 don't recognize it
[02:18] <vinboy> hi
[02:18] <drummer> paulproteus: When I send a print job to the printer - It says it;s processing then nothing comes out.
[02:18] <vinboy> when I try to run a program .. it says error while loading shared libraries: libaIO.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[02:18] <Razor-X> black13: advice also
[02:18] <paulproteus> vinboy: What program?
[02:18] <Razor-X> if you haven't already, create a sub-root directory
[02:18] <vinboy> the libaIO.so is in that directoy ttho
[02:18] <Razor-X> like /testsystem
[02:18] <Razor-X> and chmod it 777
[02:18] <vinboy> paulproteus, a program that my robot through serial port
[02:18] <Razor-X> so that the bootstrapper will have nice room to work its magic
[02:19] <lcharly_TheOne> and i prove with a lot of distribution but no one works
[02:19] <poningru> cya paulproteus
[02:19] <pax> ubotu Backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[02:19] <ubotu> pax: okay
[02:19] <rob^> hey pax, is it ready to use with hoary or not?
[02:20] <drummer> damn - got caught by a bot again. Question still stands though. Ubuntu says it's printing b ut nothing comes out.
[02:20] <pax> rob^ says Hoary doesnt it?
[02:20] <rob^> pax
[02:20] <rob^> ok
[02:21] <Razor-X> black13: you also said you've tried LFS?
[02:21] <Razor-X> have you tried BLFS?
[02:21] <frank> Does the new firefox work well now? did they fix it?
[02:21] <rob^> pax, does packages.u.c reflect the new backports?
[02:21] <pax> rob^ I don't know.
[02:21] <funkyHat> frank, it might ;)
[02:21] <catolh> !dma
[02:22] <frank> funkyHat: they put the real 1.0.6 in hoary-security
[02:22] <black13> Razor-X lfs is a no go i worked on it for months
[02:22] <Razor-X> black13: what about BLFS?
[02:22] <poningru> !dma
[02:22] <Razor-X> LFS is pretty limited in scope, BLFS is much better for your needs IMO
[02:22] <frank> So what happened to the "we don't change version numbers in hoary" policy?
[02:23] <funkyHat> frank, yeah, i got it earlier, it works for me, but some people have still been complaining that it's broken
[02:23] <Razor-X> frank: a few too many bleating people
[02:23] <mebaran151> pax, do they backport for the 64 bits?
[02:23] <black13> Razor-X when i use ubuntu debootstrap to build a debootstrap it works fine
[02:23] <Razor-X> black13: but, BLFS is much more streamlined than debootstrap
[02:23] <frank> funkyHat: Anyways I installed the official version from mozilla as a user and it works fine
[02:23] <Razor-X> simply because the latter is not compiled, while BLFS is
[02:24] <Razor-X> BLFS will give you a blazing fast system
[02:24] <pax> mebaran151: no clue.
[02:24] <black13> Razor-X i have a way trimming down ubuntu down to 32 meg
[02:24] <cafuego> BLFS will also take you 10 times longer to install.
[02:24] <black13> Razor-X and it has the stability of debian/ubuntu
[02:24] <Razor-X> black13: BLFS can get it down smaller and faster
[02:25] <frank> what does the B stand for, binary?
[02:25] <mebaran151> I wonder if you could build apt in BLFS and suddenly have a Debian system that haws a properly compiled toolchain
[02:25] <mebaran151> frank, Beyond
[02:25] <Razor-X> compilation will _always_ be smaller than packaging
[02:25] <mebaran151> it is not binary at all I dont htink
[02:25] <Razor-X> frank: Beyond
[02:25] <frank> ok
[02:25] <boo_boo> Razor-X: checked the config file, everything seems to be in order
[02:25] <Razor-X> mebaran151: i'll bet you can
[02:25] <Razor-X> boo_boo: hmmmm... oddd
[02:25] <Razor-X> s/oddd/odd/
[02:25] <Razor-X> try killall esd
[02:25] <Razor-X> and then restart it
[02:26] <Razor-X> mebaran151: actually, that's not a bad idea
[02:26] <black13> Razor-X look i appreciate you help but this is an apples and oragnes question ... i want to solve the local question
[02:26] <Razor-X> black13: i'm just saying, that for your purposes, BLFS may take longer, but is worth the small filesize and speedy install
[02:26] <Razor-X> and i'm also saying this to test your guts ;)
[02:26] <Razor-X> because BLFS is not a child's play thing, heh
[02:27] <black13> Razor-x no shit i work on lfs for months with nothing
[02:27] <black13> i dont have that kind of time
[02:27] <moparfan90> how do i run a python script?
[02:27] <Razor-X> black13: ok then, so you want a ``Semi-optimized small Linux''
[02:27] <Razor-X> what's the platform it's being deployed on?
[02:27] <cafuego> Razor-X: Compilation won't be smaller then packaging when you need all headers files installed in order to build a trivial util.
[02:27] <black13> Razor-x size more than speed
[02:28] <Razor-X> cafuego: but if you remove the source after that
[02:28] <black13> and i build the kernel with the real time patches
[02:28] <dam_> ubuntu wiki isnt working for me. i just want to paste stuff that i cant refer too at a later date.
[02:28] <moparfan90> how do i run a python script?
[02:28] <funkyHat> moparfan90, make sure it's executable, and then run it like an excecuable
[02:28] <cafuego> Razor-X: *headers* libc6-dev, kernel header, zlib-dev, mysql-dev etc.
[02:28] <cafuego> Razor-X: They need to be reinstalled each time you update
[02:28] <funkyHat> chmod +x filename | pathto/filename
[02:29] <Razor-X> cafuego: ahhh, yeah, that's true *scrunches forehead*
[02:29] <joevandyk> My dvd drive isn't mounted, but it's not ejecting the disk. Any ideas why?
[02:29] <moparfan90> how do i make it exacuable?
[02:29] <black13> Razor-x the local is set via the LC_* environment variables correct?
[02:29] <Razor-X> because on a compiled system everything depends on the headers
[02:29] <Razor-X> black13: and also LANG
[02:29] <Razor-X> gives me an idea...
[02:29] <black13> LANG=en_US
[02:29] <SeekForth> I just installed Ubuntu using the server option, and when it first tries to boot I get EXT3-fs error and then it remounts the filesystem as read-onnly, can anyone help me out here?
[02:29] <Razor-X> black13: try en_US.UTF-8
[02:30] <cafuego> Razor-X: if yopu don't care much for security fixes and don't want to recompile stuff every two days, a source distro is probably fine.
[02:30] <moparfan90> funkyHat, how do i make a python script exacuable??????
[02:30] <Razor-X> I may try BLFS on my old 100 mhz Pentium...
[02:30] <Razor-X> it has 5 GB, and 48 MB of RAM
[02:30] <Razor-X> it'll probably take 20 days, or so
[02:30] <funkyHat> moparfan90, chmod +x filename | pathto/filename
[02:30] <Razor-X> but, worth it, if I want speed
[02:31] <funkyHat> moparfan90, (that will excecute it too)
[02:31] <joevandyk> One of the sucky things about the current Ubuntu release is that there's about six different printer dialog boxes. :(
[02:31] <cafuego> Razor-X: The extra run-time speed you gain will never offset the time you spent waiting fo the compile to finish.
[02:31] <black13> Razor-x what the heck ill try it
[02:31] <Razor-X> cafuego: how much time you think it'll take?
[02:31] <funkyHat> moparfan90, or you can use the properties dialog if you prefer using a graphical interface, and assign execute rights to the owner
[02:32] <cafuego> if you want a P100 to be fast, put it in a linear accelerator ;-)
[02:32] <moparfan90> funkyHat, so if the file was named python.py and it was in my home folder. what woulf i type?
[02:32] <black13> Razor-x i am going to try debootstrap one more time
[02:32] <Razor-X> cafuego: or should I try a Gentoo install with -O5 ?
[02:32] <cafuego> Razor-X: Kernels used to take me a few hours on the P90.
[02:32] <Razor-X> black13: go ahead ;)
[02:32] <funkyHat> moparfan90, chmod +x python.py
[02:32] <Razor-X> cafuego: I'm thinking 20 days then?
[02:32] <moparfan90> funkyHat, how do i do that?
[02:32] <mebaran151> Razor-X, BLFS is good learning tool
[02:32] <robertj> Razor: want to now what would be an infinitely better use of your time? Go find a place that serves burgers, work there, and buy a new machine
[02:32] <cafuego> Razor-X: I can but guess at the joys of building libc6 on one.
[02:32] <mebaran151> I woulnt use it for my day to day distro
[02:32] <cafuego> or gcc
[02:32] <Razor-X> robertj: what's the point of retiring old things?
[02:32] <david> hello
[02:32] <funkyHat> moparfan90, right click on it, click properties, then go to the permissions tab, and look at the bunch of tick boxes
[02:32] <cafuego> You need to buuild gcc three times, too.
[02:32] <robertj> Razor-X: to never look at them again?
[02:32] <Razor-X> oh yeah, and tab complete highlights my name ;)
[02:33] <moparfan90> ok
[02:33] <cafuego> and against two libc6-es
[02:33] <Razor-X> robertj: nopes, even if I get a new machine, why not?
[02:33] <robertj> Razor-X: because they take power to run and time to manage?
[02:33] <Razor-X> cafuego: ;)
[02:33] <cafuego> Razor-X: 20 days might be a tad optimistic ;-)
[02:33] <Razor-X> robertj: so?
[02:33] <black13> Razor-x problme is still there
[02:33] <Razor-X> cafuego: 2 months?
[02:33] <cafuego> Gentoo kills trees!
[02:33] <Razor-X> the only problem is if my sister turns the power off
[02:33] <david> can any one help me with getting a integrated webcam to work
[02:33] <nalioth> Razor-X: cafuego is correct, you'll need to build gcc 3 times
[02:33] <poningru> cafuego: hahaha
[02:34] <moparfan90> ok thanks funkyhat,
[02:34] <moparfan90> bye
[02:34] <robertj> if I were looking a at a p100, i'd start with potato and start dist-upgrading
[02:34] <Razor-X> robertj: but potato's slow
[02:34] <david> it is integrated in to my laptops lcd screan well on top of itwebcam to work
[02:34] <cafuego> robertj: I'd start with woody and stay there.
[02:34] <Razor-X> I don't think any package distro can acheive the same speed as a source distro
[02:34] <cafuego> Razor-X: No, a p100 is slow.
[02:35] <Razor-X> and speed is what I severely need on it
[02:35] <poningru> david: chances of that runnin is small
[02:35] <Razor-X> cafuego: Pottato's slow _on_ a P100
[02:35] <poningru> try to find out what kind it is
[02:35] <david> great
[02:35] <cafuego> Razor-X: If you offset the compile-time, packaged distros are FAR faster than any source distro.
[02:35] <robertj> Razor: that's like saying you severly need speed on a big wheel
[02:35] <Razor-X> robertj: a big wheel?
[02:35] <robertj> yes, like 2 year olds ride
[02:35] <david> poningru: is there a way ti even check if it is detected
[02:35] <cafuego> Razor-X: but why not spend two months compiling in order to find out for yourself? ;-)
[02:35] <Razor-X> cafuego: and the learning experience? ;)
[02:36] <poningru> david: look under hardware
[02:36] <robertj> the learning experience is probably not very useful
[02:36] <poningru> in system->administration
[02:36] <cafuego> Razor-X: following a HOWTO and copying commands does not a learning experience make.
[02:36] <Razor-X> robertj: and wouldn't it be kickass to outfit a big wheel with a bigass engine?
[02:36] <david> poningru: where is that?
[02:36] <poningru> device manager
[02:36] <poningru> not hardware
[02:36] <poningru> sorry
[02:36] <robertj> Razor: not it wouldn't its plastic and wont ever go fast
[02:36] <Razor-X> robertj: you're saying that just because something is meant for this, it shouldn't be used for that
[02:37] <poningru> cafuego: not yoda you are
[02:37] <Razor-X> that's like saying ``Why customize your Linux distro?''
[02:37] <Razor-X> it's already meant for this, don't make it do that!
[02:37] <robertj> Razor: the answer to why customize your linux distro is "because it beats doing it from the ground up"
[02:38] <cafuego> Razor-X: No, it's like saying "Why spend $100 to win $10?"
[02:38] <david> poningru: ya there is a lot of stuf I dont under stand, but it there any tip you can give me
[02:38] <Razor-X> it seems more like you people have a more macro ideal of ``If it aint broke don't fix it''
[02:38] <cafuego> Razor-X: You're free to do so, just don't expect most of us to think it's a good idea.
[02:38] <robertj> the people who spend all their time obsessing ver stupid things are replaced by Indians
[02:39] <Razor-X> something with a function clearly out of scope, why adjust the scope?
[02:39] <cafuego> Razor-X: that ideal keeps the bills paid.
[02:39] <Razor-X> robertj: i'm Indian.........
[02:39] <Razor-X> cafuego: the counter-idea inspired Richard Stallman
[02:39] <boo_boo> Razor-X: no go with the esd
[02:39] <poningru> david: hmm
[02:39] <robertj> Razor: well around here thats a very bad thing because it usually means your not working on FOSS anymore
[02:39] <poningru> let me see
[02:39] <cafuego> Razor-X: Windows was highly broken.
[02:40] <Razor-X> robertj: I'm not in India, i'm Indian though, and I won't let my race signify anything
[02:40] <robertj> Razor: it does here, and frankly you don't have much of a choice in the matter, its perception
[02:40] <Razor-X> robertj: ok then, be racist *shrugs*
[02:40] <nalioth> Razor-X nobody in the world asked for that info, and the fact that you mentioned it, obviously it DOES signify something
[02:40] <poningru> Razor-X: you are desi?
[02:41] <poningru> never would have guessed
[02:41] <Razor-X> poningru: yeah, Bengali
[02:41] <poningru> malu here
[02:41] <robertj> Razor: i'm not racist. I'm not disparaging Indians. I am merely saying that they are taking the jobs of people here who aren't big picture people
[02:41] <poningru> david: try to find something like a camera or something like that
[02:41] <Razor-X> robertj: and understand that Indians don't all work in call centers
[02:41] <poningru> or something like webcam
[02:41] <cafuego> robertj: They aren't taking jobs, they get given them by large companies. Different issue.
[02:41] <Razor-X> there are different fields, just like not all Americans work in call centers
[02:42] <Razor-X> robertj: other companies offer the jobs, they shop around for it
[02:42] <robertj> cafuego: They are taking the job. I took someone elses job, that's the way the world works
[02:42] <Razor-X> if China outsourced here, Americans would stay away?
[02:42] <Razor-X> I heavily doubt that
[02:42] <bob2> this seems rather unrelated to Ubuntu
[02:42] <Razor-X> bob2: well, it has something to do about using a source distro, in robertj's opinion
[02:42] <Mobius> i agree bob2
[02:42] <black13> does the locale information reside in /usr/lib/locale
[02:42] <cafuego> robertj: of course they take the job. Beats being unemployed. You can't honestly expect someone to refuse a job so that someone else might make more money off it?
[02:43] <Razor-X> black13: yeah, and also some shell vars
[02:43] <robertj> cafuego: I don't blame them, it's just generally to be avoided
[02:43] <cafuego> robertj: call centers, yes.
[02:43] <Razor-X> robertj: because it's becoming taboo?
[02:43] <bob2> black13: share, not lib
[02:43] <robertj> Razor: no, not because its taboo, because you want to keep working
[02:43] <black13> or better what happens if dont have any locale binares would that cause the afor mentioned problems
[02:43] <black13> bob2 /usr/share
[02:43] <Razor-X> robertj: well, don't blame them, blame our companies
[02:44] <bob2> black13: you don't need locale binaries
[02:44] <robertj> Razor: I did'nt blaim Indians
[02:44] <Razor-X> black13: I wouldn't think that many binaries use locale if you're using basic English language binaries
[02:44] <Razor-X> robertj: not that I condone outsourcing, mind you
[02:44] <cafuego> robertj: it did sure look that way though, from what you initially typed.
[02:44] <black13> bob2 /usr/share/locale/????
[02:44] <Razor-X> as an American citizen, I feel outsourcing is wrong, it's more money in the coffers that'll destroy us in the long run
[02:44] <bob2> black13: I have no idea what you're trying to do
[02:44] <robertj> Razor: it's fine, outsourcing is okay. I don't work where I will be outsourced, and that is a concious decision on my part.
[02:45] <boo_boo> Razor-X: esd restarted and still no luck, any other ideas
[02:45] <cafuego> Razor-X: The US are long dead, they just haven't realised it yet.
[02:45] <robertj> cafuego: sorry, but people tend to be over sensitive to facts they don't like
[02:45] <pax> nobody took anybody's job, the US is a nation of immigrants, some create jobs others import more people to work for cheap, the new people take the jobs, everyone make money, and we are all one big happy family until you involve politics in a channel like this one.
[02:45] <black13> Razor-x I am in industry that is on its way out .... of the border
[02:45] <poningru> black13: get a new job
[02:45] <robertj> pax: YES THEY DID! THat's horse pucky! I _took_ someone elses job and if I don't cust the mustard _someone_ will take mine
[02:46] <Razor-X> pax: ....... you don't understand capitalism
[02:46] <Mobius> can we please take this ... conversation elsewhere?
[02:46] <Razor-X> ok, this is too offtopic
[02:46] <pax> Take it with your local politicians.
[02:46] <Razor-X> yeah, let's go to #ubuntu-offtopic for outsourcing
[02:46] <funkyHat> :D
[02:46] <black13> ponigru jesus what crawled up your ass
[02:46] <Razor-X> oh yeah
[02:47] <Razor-X> by the way, octave1.2-emacsen is broken
[02:47] <Razor-X> just to let you maintainers know
[02:47] <bob2> Razor-X: file a bug!
[02:47] <Mobius> anyone up for discussing how we can bring the different parts of the ubuntu community together?
[02:47] <robertj> Mobus: for what purpose?
[02:47] <funkyHat> Mobius, #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:48] <Mobius> k- sorry , nvm =)
[02:48] <funkyHat> ;)
[02:48] <linuxpoe1> backports broken?
[02:49] <Razor-X> bob2: hmmm, I shall
[02:49] <godzirra> Can anyone help me figure out why I can't compile my kernel now? It keeps telling me this: The contained UTS_VERSION string: "2.6.10-custom" does not match expectations:"2.6.10custom" when I'm doing this: sudo make-kpkg --append-to-version=custom kernel_image modules_image
[02:50] <bob2> make-kpkg clean, try again
[02:50] <black13> Razor-X local -a report all kinds of nice locales
[02:50] <bob2> but what feature is the ubuntu 2.6.10 kernel missing?
[02:50] <godzirra> ahh, make-kpkg
[02:50] <godzirra> thank you
[02:50] <godzirra> I accidentally did --append-to-version=-custom
[02:50] <godzirra> instead of just "Custom"
[02:52] <poningru> when will we switch to 2.6.12?
[02:52] <poningru> or is that planned for breazy only?
[02:52] <HrdwrBoB> poningru: breezy only
[02:53] <Balthazar> Hi, I just upgraded my video card from an Nvidia GF4MX 440 to a Sapphire Radeon9800 Pro, and now I can't start X. Is there a simple way to fix this?
[02:54] <robertj> Balthazar: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf and follow the directions at top to reconfig X
[02:54] <godzirra> Does anyone know anything about vga mode/frame buffer support and laptops? I want my console mode to be 1024x768 instead of 640x480.
[02:54] <Balthazar> I think I'm still on XFree
[02:54] <Balthazar> Using Warty
[02:55] <blake_> can someone please tell me how to add multiverse to my sources.list i'm confused
[02:55] <bob2> Balthazar: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[02:55] <bob2> blake_: it explains how. uncomment the multiverse lines
[02:56] <spartas> godzirra, if your video card is less than 2 years old, it should support it
[02:56] <godzirra> It does.. I had it running on gentoo :)
[02:56] <godzirra> I just dont remember how
[02:56] <godzirra> and cant find docs telling me how to setit up
[02:56] <poningru> by uncomment they mean remove the # from the front of the line
[02:56] <blake_> ok i'm confused but ultimately i'm just trying to install and run mplayer cause totem is screwing up finaly like yall told me it would do
[02:56] <liz4rd> whast the windows fonts package called agian?
[02:56] <godzirra> I know you have to compile something into the kernel and set some MBR options.
[02:57] <blake_> soooo i'm at a los
[02:57] <blake_> i don't know how to compile anything
[02:57] <spartas> godzirra, you should just have to add vga=795 to your boot options
[02:57] <bob2> blake_: you don't need to compile anything
[02:57] <blake_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061 says i do
[02:57] <bob2> blake_: do you know what "uncomment" means?
[02:57] <liz4rd> thats the name of the windows fonts package called agian?
[02:57] <bob2> ignore the forums then
[02:58] <boo_boo> anyone, no sound while running visualboy
[02:58] <blake_> vaguely ....bubi haven't done anyting yet
[02:58] <Burgundavia> can someone tell me what language this was? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?action=diff
[02:58] <blake_> but*
[02:58] <bob2> blake_: so open /etc/apt/sources.list in a text editor, and read it
[02:58] <nalioth> liz4rd: msttcorefonts
[02:58] <robertj> Balthazar: well the same instructions are there in the X config file I believe
[02:58] <Andares> When the hell did CSS become a restricted format?
[02:59] <robertj> Balth: but you probably really want to upgrade to hoary if there is no reason not to
[02:59] <Balthazar> I tried running that dpkg reconfigure program, and it didn't work :(
[02:59] <bob2> Andares: CSS the DVD dencryption algorithm is patented
[02:59] <Andares> Ohh....
[02:59] <Andares> I thought they meant Cascading Style Sheets.
[02:59] <bob2> and protected by a corporation who likes the DMCA
[03:00] <lilliput> hello all
[03:00] <slacknew> hello anybody can help me with my SD slot in my laptop_
[03:00] <bob2> slacknew: does linux support it at all?
[03:00] <Quake> hey guys
[03:01] <slacknew> bob2, hmm i don't know... what do you know about that?
[03:01] <godzirra> Now I just have to figure out how to get ACPI to work :/
[03:02] <godzirra> I wish I could find the ubuntu docs more easily.
[03:02] <bob2> slacknew: use google and/or linux-laptops.net
[03:02] <bob2> godzirra: get it to work? what's there to configure?
[03:02] <lilliput> I just want to advertise for a jabber bot that I finidh If some of you could test it would be great .. it's available on [email protected] or on hotmail via [email protected] .The bot is a turing machine ie reproduce a human
[03:02] <godzirra> ACPI is power saving stuff right? Or am I thinking of the other A acronym? :)
[03:02] <bob2> yes
[03:02] <bob2> it should work by default
[03:02] <godzirra> ok.. I'm on a laptop
[03:03] <godzirra> ok, how do I tweak the settings then
[03:03] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryPMTestingResults
[03:03] <bob2> what settings are there to tweak?
[03:03] <godzirra> Well, hopefully I'd lke to make the screen turn off if I flip the lid down.
[03:03] <bob2> that should happen by default
[03:03] <godzirra> if thats not possible, I'd like the screen to turn off after X minutes if there's no interaction.
[03:03] <humbolt> kwifimanager does not seem to be able to handle wep keys. What am I doing wrong. Propably it does not set anything when I hit activate.
[03:03] <godzirra> it doesnt.
[03:04] <drayen> *stupid newbie question comming up* Im trying to do some web dev work, useing FTP to upload and download directories (with sub dirs) at a time, ive worked out how to use the command line lftp, but there doesnt seem to be any easy way to get entire dirs at a time. help?!?!
[03:04] <Xenguy> drayen: mget ?
[03:04] <linuxpoet> drayen: use scp
[03:04] <bob2> and mput
[03:04] <godzirra> bob2: are you saying ACPI should do that by default or my laptop hardware should do that by default?
[03:04] <bob2> or use rsync
[03:04] <bob2> godzirra: both
[03:04] <drayen> Xenguy, im sure i tried mget, but it still didnt like it...
[03:04] <linuxpoet> rsync is good cause you can shell through ssh
[03:04] <godzirra> bob2: ok, my laptop apparently doesnt
[03:04] <bob2> godzirra: perhaps your laptop has a buggy acpi implementation or something
[03:04] <godzirra> nor does ACPI
[03:05] <bob2> godzirra: what does that page say about it?
[03:05] <drayen> linuxpoet, scp, does that use ftp as its backend (im haveing to use FTP asits what our ISP uses)
[03:05] <skalpel> how do i use ident in ubuntu?
[03:05] <bob2> drayen: no
[03:05] <linuxpoet> drayen: I am sure you isp supports scp... You don't use telnet right? You are using ssh
[03:05] <bob2> skalpel: install nullidentd
[03:06] <godzirra> bob2: not sure what I'm supposed to be looking on that page tyet
[03:06] <linuxpoet> scp -r * [email protected]:/htdocs
[03:06] <linuxpoet> for example
[03:06] <skalpel> k, thank you
[03:06] <godzirra> look at on that page rather
[03:06] <vader1102> is there any way to upgrade to Hoary from Warty, without the disk?
[03:06] <bob2> godzirra: er? is your laptop on there?
[03:06] <skalpel> bob2: jon@ubuntu:~$ install nullidentd
[03:06] <skalpel> install: too few arguments
[03:06] <bob2> vader1102: wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[03:06] <godzirra> oh.. the page you sent me to doesnt exist.
[03:06] <Balthazar> I'm running the xserver config, but my XFree86-4 file doesn't get overwritten, so it still tries to use the old file ( and still fails)
[03:06] <drayen> linux... hummm okay i will give it a try :D
[03:06] <godzirra> I missed that huge message up top :p
[03:06] <bob2> skalpel: of course, install is a verb, not a command
[03:07] <nalioth> vader1102: dont you mean the opposite?
[03:07] <nalioth> tritium: evenin'
[03:07] <bob2> skalpel: how do you normally install packages?
[03:07] <tritium> hi nalioth
[03:07] <bob2> Balthazar: then read the top of the file
[03:07] <nalioth> godzirra: you can always type /topic to see it again
[03:07] <skalpel> sorry, i used synaptic, so nm
[03:07] <bob2> Balthazar: and don't edit config files in future without a) reading the top and b) making a backup
[03:07] <godzirra> nalioth: I meant finding specific docs :)
[03:07] <bob2> skalpel: then install the package with synaptic
[03:07] <skalpel> bob2: is that all i will have to do or do i need to run it afterwards?
[03:07] <Balthazar> bob2 The top of the file says to run that config command after doing a copy and an md5sum. I did the copy, and the md5sum gave me permission denied, even though I sudo'ed it
[03:07] <bob2> skalpel: that's all
[03:08] <blackgecko> hi all ive just installed ubuntu in my lap but is so slow that even siwtching apps is slow, any ideas ???
[03:08] <bob2> godzirra: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryPMResults
[03:08] <Balthazar> Also, making a backup would be irrelvant in this case because I'm not putting my old video card back in
[03:08] <bob2> Balthazar: then show us the command you ran and the error
[03:08] <godzirra> ah
[03:08] <bob2> Balthazar: no, it's not irrelevan; if you had a backup, you could put it back and dpkg-reconfigure would work again
[03:08] <Balthazar> bob2 If I could copy and paste between virtual consoles I would :S
[03:09] <Balthazar> bob2 It didn't work the first time (unless you mean at install)
[03:09] <bob2> Balthazar: then there's not much anyone can do
[03:09] <skalpel> bob2: thank you
[03:09] <godzirra> bob2: no its not. But it is on anotehr page saying ACPI is fully working (not with ubuntu though)
[03:10] <bob2> ok
[03:10] <blake_> hey once i un commit can i commit them back???????
[03:10] <blake_> ?
[03:10] <bob2> a) one question mark is plenty
[03:10] <bob2> b) you need to provide context when asking questions
[03:10] <lilliput> no one to try the bot ?
[03:11] <kyncani> blackgecko: how much ram do you have ?
[03:11] <humbolt> what would I use to make my eth0 only come up, when there is actually a network cable pluged in?
[03:11] <blackgecko> kyncani: 512
[03:11] <bob2> humbolt: install ifplugd
[03:11] <lilliput> it's based on the AI from ALICE project
[03:11] <humbolt> what about laptop-net?
[03:12] <linuxpoet> humbolt: net-plugd I think
[03:12] <kyncani> blackgecko: more than enough then
[03:12] <skalpel> does anyone know how i can fix this?
[03:12] <skalpel> * *** k-lined for Open proxy found on your host, please visit www.njabl.org/cgi-bin/lookup.cgi?query=66.142.150.44 (2005/07/26 21.07)
[03:12] <skalpel> * *** Your hostmask is [email protected]
[03:12] <blackgecko> kyncani: P4 mobile 3.06 ghz, 512 ram ATI 345IGP
[03:12] <robertj> waht's the minimum memory footprint for 2.12 goign to be?
[03:12] <godzirra> bob2: any idea?
[03:12] <skalpel> i think i have been hacked somehow
[03:12] <bob2> skalpel: fix your system
[03:12] <bob2> skalpel: if you're using ubuntu, that's highly unlikely
[03:12] <sproingie> skalpel: what are you running?
[03:12] <skalpel> ubuntu
[03:12] <kyncani> blackgecko: you should monitor system resources to find out what is eating everything
[03:12] <skalpel> i joined #260 on efnet last night and started having problems
[03:13] <humbolt> does installing ifplugd resolve the "waiting for dhcp to find out, there is not dhcp" at bootup problem?
[03:13] <bob2> godzirra: does sudo /etc/acpi/lid.sh blank it?
[03:13] <blake_> i'll be more spesific then bob
[03:13] <skalpel> #2600, pardon me
[03:13] <bob2> humbolt: no
[03:13] <sproingie> skalpel: you've probably been rooted. have fun reinstalling
[03:13] <skalpel> am having trouble logging on certain servers on efnet and am having these problems on dalnet
[03:13] <bob2> humbolt: a) not all cards can detect cables, b) dhcp can take forever, hence it waiting 20 seconds before giving up
[03:13] <blackgecko> kyncani: im using xfce4 but its still slow
[03:13] <godzirra> bob2: uhh.. apparently I don't have an /etc/acpi
[03:13] <skalpel> sproingie: probably? how would i go about finding out?
[03:14] <humbolt> no? it did in debian. well either laptop-net or ifplugd or both, I do not remember exactly.
[03:14] <bob2> godzirra: um, ubuntu includes
[03:14] <robertj> skalpel: what's your ip address right now, I'll port scan you, that will be a start
[03:14] <bob2> it
[03:14] <sproingie> skalpel: well if you're truly rooted, you probably don't. not without some kind of rootkit detector bootable cd
[03:14] <godzirra> bob2: its not there.
[03:14] <Xenguy> skalpel: try installing and running 'chkrootkit'. 'rkhunter' (not yet packaged for Ubu) is well worth installing/running also
[03:14] <bob2> skalpel: have you run things from outside ubuntu?
[03:14] <bob2> godzirra: how on earth did you install ubuntu?
[03:14] <skalpel> robertj: 66.142.150.44
[03:14] <kyncani> blackgecko: yeah, use system monitors like top or gnome-system-monitors. Take a special look at cpu usage and resident memory consumptions (that's what works best for me)
[03:14] <godzirra> I followed the--dud's ubuntu install with fluxbox which installs as server
[03:14] <kyncani> blackgecko: meant gnome-system-monitor
[03:15] <robertj> skal: that website says it was added in 2004
[03:15] <kyncani> blackgecko: also take a look at system logs (tail -f /var/log/syslog).
[03:15] <bob2> bah
[03:15] <humbolt> bob2: my nic can detect cable plugin. and there sure was a way to get my debian to only start my interface (+dhcp) when a cable was plugged in.
[03:15] <bob2> the--dud: fix your guide so people get a usable system
[03:15] <godzirra> Sorry. :/ which packages should I install?
[03:15] <bob2> kthxbye
[03:15] <blake_> ok, in the document that you previously told me to open and read(/etc/apt/sources.net) it telles me that i need to un commit "the following 2 lines and the script below only reads 1 line of script here is a copy and paste
[03:15] <godzirra> lol
[03:15] <godzirra> its usable.. most people don't need acpi. :p
[03:15] <bob2> humbolt: ok!
[03:15] <skalpel> bob2: i have not run anything outside of ubuntu
[03:15] <kyncani> blackgecko: if some hardware / bus is keeping the kernel busy with errors, you will see it in kernel logs
[03:15] <bob2> presumably ifplugd does that then
[03:15] <bob2> godzirra: acpi-support
[03:16] <robertj> skalpel: thats old and probably not even from your machine
[03:16] <bob2> godzirra: but bear in mind you're missing lots of other useful packages
[03:16] <blake_> ## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch updated software from the network
[03:16] <blake_> # deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[03:16] <roy> for some reason i can't load my extensions on FF. nothing comes up when i click on Tools > Extensions. i'm running 1.0.6. can anyone help?
[03:16] <blackgecko> kyncani: the top is Xorg
[03:16] <godzirra> bob2: was that to me?
[03:16] <bob2> yes?
[03:16] <zyth> Can anyone direct me to a decent page on the issues/costs with setting up a large building for wifi perhaps? Kind of offtopic, but I figure there's enough people here who might know...
[03:16] <kyncani> blackgecko: xorg is eating what, ram ? cpu ?
[03:16] <bob2> blackgecko: remove the # and the space after it
[03:17] <godzirra> bob2: Oh. blake2 said that.. sorry.
[03:17] <humbolt> bob2: but which one is the one that is more integrated in the boot process?
[03:17] <skalpel> robertj: what is?
[03:17] <godzirra> i thought what blake2 said was somethin you said.
[03:17] <CarlFK> zyth - "it depends"
[03:17] <blackgecko> 10.3 cpu 12.6 ram is at the top mos of the time
[03:17] <robertj> skalpel: that kline
[03:17] <godzirra> WOOHOO!
[03:17] <bob2> humbolt: why don't you just try and see?
[03:17] <skalpel> robertj: weird. the error i was getting before that one suggested i installed identd, which i had never had problems with before
[03:17] <kyncani> blackgecko: that's not it. Check the system logs (tail -f /var/log/syslog)
[03:17] <godzirra> bob2: thanks tons :) now I just need vgamode support
[03:17] <liz4rd> whats that video player that starts with an h?
[03:18] <CarlFK> zyth - /join #wifi
[03:18] <zyth> CarlFK, yeah, I figured that. Basically, I've got a 2 floor fairly large building, walls are all drywall or wood... I need to get wifi over the whole place. Just wondering what kind of hardware I need :/
[03:18] <godzirra> and I'm set :)
[03:18] <zyth> ahh cool
[03:18] <roy> the javascript console gives me this error: XML Parsing Error: no element found
[03:18] <roy> Location: jar:resource:///chrome/toolkit.jar!/content/mozapps/update/updates.xml
[03:18] <roy> Line Number 1, Column 1:
[03:18] <desmond> how can i listen music from www.di.fm???????
[03:18] <zyth> CarlFK, thnx
[03:18] <robertj> skalpel: identd is a sign the server op is a tard
[03:18] <bob2> godzirra: you don't need to recompile for that, and using X is far simpler
[03:18] <humbolt> bob2: I rather ask the wise guys first.
[03:18] <blackgecko> kyncani: just dhcp logs
[03:18] <godzirra> I do use X... but I'd still like framebuffer support working... and I thought I needed to compile in vesa support?
[03:18] <godzirra> is it in by default?
[03:19] <linuxpoet> desmod try using totem
[03:19] <desmond> how do i listen music from di.fm????
[03:19] <blake_> bob2: when i enter the command in shell should it look like this???? $ uncommit deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[03:19] <skalpel> robertj:mailto:[email protected] that is not the name i have specified in my irc client, someone changed it i believe, so what should i do?
[03:19] <kyncani> blackgecko: no error raising again and again ?
[03:19] <liz4rd> whats that video player that starts with an h?
[03:19] <bob2> blake_: where on earth did you get "uncommit" from?
[03:19] <blackgecko> kincany: renewal in 266 seconds. is it not to shor lease time ?
[03:19] <bob2> blake_: uncomment is a different word to uncommit
[03:19] <bob2> blake_: and I explained that "uncomment" meant "remove the # and leading space"
[03:20] <blake_> yeah
[03:20] <blake_> well
[03:20] <drayen> linuxpoet, in a related question/problem, when i use the "connect to server" from places, i get "There is no default action associated with this location" - am i missing important packages?
[03:20] <blake_> i got confused
[03:20] <bob2> blake_: so, instead of going off on massive tangents, explain which bit you don't understand
[03:20] <blake_> ooh no i'm calm
[03:21] <blake_> i haven't done anyting yet because i wasn't sure
[03:21] <kyncani> blackgecko: mmf, nothing's eating like 50-60 % of ram or cpu and you don't have errors flooding the kernel
[03:21] <blake_> do you recall the document you told me to read?
[03:22] <cjserio> Hey folks...I'm having a makefile issue...i use recursion in my makefile and one of my rules is setup as "%.xpl:" so that anything with a .xpl extension gets caught but it's never getting caught...it worked fine on FC3
[03:22] <blake_> and how do you make your name red can i do that
[03:22] <blackgecko> kyncani: nop, its mi first ubuntu try ive used fedora and gentoo in the past and are a lot faster
[03:22] <QMario> Where can I get the latest Shockwave plugin?
[03:22] <blake_> letters*
[03:22] <QMario> For Mozilla Firefox on Ubuntu.
[03:22] <bob2> pretty sure shockwave doesn't exist on linux
[03:22] <Burgundavia> QMario, there is no shockwave for linux
[03:22] <sproingie> i think he means flash
[03:22] <FormerWinXPUser> how can i set rhythmbox to play mp3s
[03:23] <Burgundavia> FormerWinXPUser, wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:23] <QMario> Burgundavia, what do you mean?
[03:23] <bob2> FormerWinXPUser: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:23] <nalioth> !tell FormerWinXPUser about restricted
[03:23] <bob2> which should be linked from the FAQ
[03:23] <Burgundavia> QMario, there is a flash plugin but no shockwave plugin
[03:23] <kyncani> blackgecko: well, you could switch to an optimized kernel but that won't give you a magical boost in performance i think ..
[03:23] <sproingie> is macromedia even developing shockwave anymore?
[03:23] <rob^> bob2, it is going to be
[03:23] <IIIEars> Using streamtuner for a Xiph station i clicked on a link and now can't tune in to any stations XMMS isn't activated even after re-installing XMMS and Streamtuner. - What extension needs to be reinstalled?
[03:24] <QMario> Oh, okay.
[03:24] <sproingie> macrodobe, i guess i should say
[03:24] <ebryn> anybody have any idea why my boot process would stop at INIT's "* version 2.86 booting" message?
[03:24] <FormerWinXPUser> so i cant use mp3s with rhythmbox at all, eh?
[03:24] <bob2> FormerWinXPUser: er, sure you can, read that page
[03:24] <cjserio> Actually, recursion isn't even the issue...i guess it's just that "%.xpl" fails no matter what i type
[03:24] <bob2> cjserio: you'd have better luck asking on the user list or finding a gnu make list, I suspect
[03:24] <boo_boo> need help, all games that i run have no sound. cd/mp3's play fine. system beeps are ok. any ideas?
[03:25] <bob2> pkill esd
[03:25] <bob2> run game
[03:25] <bob2> enjoy
[03:25] <cjserio> bob2: which is the "user list
[03:25] <kyncani> blackgecko: overall cpu usage is nowhere near 100% ?
[03:25] <bob2> cjserio: [email protected]
[03:25] <cjserio> ok thanks
[03:25] <blackgecko> kincany: nop
[03:25] <moparfan90> hello
[03:26] <blake_> or mabye can you point me in the right fourm where i can read about installing mplayer without haveing to compile anything .......somewhere that i can read what you were talking about when you were talking about ....wht you were talking about
[03:26] <IIIEars> boo_boo - i am very new also. - but i think stopping the esd server process will give you sound for games. (esd allows two apps to share sound resources.)
[03:26] <godzirra> bob2: So how do I enable it vga mode in console?
[03:26] <blake_> that was for you bob
[03:26] <Xenguy> bob2: hrm, are pkill and killall functionally equivalent BTW?
[03:26] <blake_> 2
[03:26] <FormerWinXPUser> and how do i get totem to play mpg and avi, wmv etc?
[03:26] <skalpel> what does it mean if an open proxy has been found on my host?
[03:26] <bob2> blake_: so, edit /etc/apt/sources.list as I explained
[03:26] <kyncani> blackgecko: is this only X suffering performance losses or are the console apps unresponsive either ?
[03:26] <bob2> blake_: if you don't know how, then ask
[03:26] <QMario> Bob2, can't he also do System->Preferences->Multimedia Systems Selector?
[03:26] <moparfan90> i was trying to open the file install-sh and when i open it, it says open in terminal... so then it does and closes 1 sec after. what do i do?????????
[03:27] <sproingie> Xenguy: pkill and killall are basically the same on linux. killall is a very different command in solaris
[03:27] <blake_> i opened that document
[03:27] <bob2> Xenguy: on linux, yes, but on solaris "killall" does what it says
[03:27] <bob2> QMario: don't know
[03:27] <sproingie> bob2: i remember using killall on solaris once. as root. on a server.
[03:27] <blake_> bob2 i opened that document
[03:27] <bob2> moparfan90: why are you touching that file at all?
[03:27] <Xenguy> sproingie bob2 tx
[03:27] <drayen> When i use the "connect to server" from places, i get "There is no default action associated with this location" - am i missing important packages?
[03:27] <QMario> He could change the output for audio, from ESD to ALSA.
[03:27] <blake_> bob2 and i was reading it
[03:27] <blake_> what should i do with it
[03:27] <bob2> blake_: so, remove the "# " from the front of some of those lines
[03:28] <moparfan90> bob2 because i want to install it. do you know how?
[03:28] <bob2> godzirra: you pass correct FB options to it, I gather
[03:28] <blake_> <<<<FEALS LIKE AN IDIOT
[03:28] <bob2> moparfan90: you want to install install-sh?
[03:28] <blake_> hahaha i didn't think it could be that easy
[03:28] <godzirra> bob2: "it" being what?
[03:28] <blake_> it that all
[03:28] <blake_> bob2
[03:28] <skalpel> hi i am having trouble with email addresses in xchat, i am not able to click on and use the 'mailto' option in my client, does anyone know why?
[03:28] <bob2> godzirra: the kernel at boot time
[03:28] <FormerWinXPUser> how do i get totem to play popular video formats like mpg?
[03:28] <bob2> blake_: assuming you removed the right ones, yes
[03:28] <blackgecko> kincany: nop only at the x
[03:28] <bob2> FormerWinXPUser: again, read that page
[03:28] <FormerWinXPUser> oh ok
[03:28] <FormerWinXPUser> sry
[03:28] <moparfan90> bob2, yes
[03:29] <FormerWinXPUser> thanks for everything guys
[03:29] <blake_> bob2 then what? apt-get install mplayer
[03:29] <bob2> moparfan90: why?
[03:29] <drayen> FormerWinXPUser, try useing VLC instead :D
[03:29] <bob2> moparfan90: what are you really trying to do?
[03:29] <kyncani> blackgecko: well, you could try different xorg configurations. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. good luck
[03:29] <godzirra> bob2: for some reason I don't have a grub.conf... thats where I was going to put the options.
[03:29] <moparfan90> bob2, do you know how to?
[03:29] <bob2> blake_: paste /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[03:29] <bob2> godzirra: grub.conf is a redhat/gentoo invention. /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:29] <bob2> moparfan90: what are you really trying to do?
[03:29] <godzirra> ahh, ok.
[03:29] <moparfan90> bob2, i am trying to install a gui wrapper for python
[03:29] <bob2> upstream calls it that
[03:29] <bob2> moparfan90: called...
[03:30] <blackgecko> kincany: ok thanks
[03:30] <moparfan90> bob2, let me look
[03:30] <kyncani> blackgecko: np, hope you will find out :)
[03:30] <moparfan90> bob2, http://www.tcl.tk/
[03:30] <bob2> ebryn: please don't
[03:30] <Xenguy> ebryn: don't do that
[03:30] <troy> is there any way to easily create an alternate installation disk: I need kernel 2.6.11 to recognise my SATA controller for the ATI chipset
[03:30] <bob2> moparfan90: so, stop right now, tcl and tk are in ubuntu
[03:30] <moparfan90> bob2, do you know a better one?
[03:30] <moparfan90> oo
[03:30] <blake_> bob2 .....flood ......you mean like, paste that whee the pounds' usto be?
[03:30] <godzirra> bob2: do I need to run something after editing menu.lst?
[03:31] <blake_> where*
[03:31] <bob2> godzirra: no, but I'd highly recommend not touching it until you've verified your boot options work (ie boot into grub and edit and add them there)
[03:31] <IIIEars> bob2 - Is it four questions at once now? - amazed.
[03:31] <bob2> blake_: as in the irc channel #flood
[03:31] <dave__> Question: did anyone compile the latest Samba on Ubuntu?
[03:31] <godzirra> hrm. where's a good howto on how to "boot into grub"
[03:31] <dave__> I need it for XP X64 support.
[03:31] <Xenguy> blake_: /join the IRC channel #flood, then paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:31] <godzirra> or do you mean reboot my linux box and try it on the command line as options to my kernel?
[03:31] <bob2> dave__: if you have a question about it, it's best to just ask
[03:32] <troy> godzirra: when the GRUB loader comes up, hit ESC
[03:32] <bob2> godzirra: yes
[03:32] <blake_> um..
[03:32] <blake_> ok
[03:32] <blake_> brb
[03:32] <moparfan90> is anyone good at python and has some time to show me some stuff???????????????
[03:32] <IIIEars> #ubuntu-bob2 - wide grin
[03:32] <dave__> Did anyone compile the latest Samba on Ubuntu?
[03:32] <skalpel> what is a good firewall to use with ubuntu?
[03:32] <bob2> moparfan90: www.python.org/doc/
[03:33] <bob2> skalpel: you dont need one by default, but I quite like shorewall. I hear firestarter is nice if you want a gui.
[03:33] <bob2> dave__: if you have a question about it, just ask
[03:33] <neighborlee> is there a fix for newly installed apps not showing up in menus ? ;-))) ..thx anyone
[03:33] <dabaR> !are you alive ubotu? if so, why are you ignoring me in private when I am identified
[03:33] <ubotu> I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about, dabaR
[03:33] <bob2> moparfan90: read the python tutorial
[03:33] <dave__> I did.
[03:33] <moparfan90> i did
[03:33] <bob2> neighborlee: use a menu editor like smeg to add them
[03:33] <skalpel> bob2: i like gui, is it in synaptic?
[03:33] <Xenguy> skalpel: shorewall
[03:33] <bob2> dave__: where?
[03:33] <dave__> Where can I get the latest debs?
[03:33] <bob2> skalpel: yes
[03:33] <dabaR> !info gthumb
[03:33] <kyncani> skalpel: define good, simple, complete ?
[03:33] <ubotu> gthumb: (an image viewer and browser for GNOME2), section gnome, is optional. Version: 3:2.6.3-1ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 1617 kB, Installed size: 8292 kB
[03:33] <IIIEars> skalpel - ubuntu denies packets by default. - but firestarter is a good choice as it allows a graphical configuration for internet sharing.
[03:33] <neighborlee> bob2, ok next questoin then...is this being 'fixed' for breezy or is it being worked on at all do you know ?
[03:34] <bob2> dave__: it's unlikely to be packaged for hoary, and breezy is highly broken
[03:34] <skalpel> i like gui, and i like simple and complete
[03:34] <moparfan90> does anyone know python good and has time to show me some stuff???
[03:34] <skalpel> the simpler the better
[03:34] <bob2> neighborlee: it was a concious decision
[03:34] <boo_boo> IIIEars: will i have to use pkill esd everytime i reboot
[03:34] <Xenguy> skalpel: I've heard 'firehol' is good also
[03:34] <blake_> bob2
[03:34] <blake_> i did it
[03:34] <neighborlee> bob2, dont understand..what was a conscious decision
[03:34] <kyncani> skalpel: well, firestarter you go then (my opinion)
[03:34] <skalpel> thank you
[03:35] <dave__> So bob2, how would you go about it?
[03:35] <bob2> blake_: now on the line "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-updates main restricted universe" add the word "multiverse" at the end (no quotes)
[03:35] <cs378> i need help with partitionin, i got 50 gb ntfs and 9.9 gb free space, how do i create a 500 mg swap partition?
[03:35] <bob2> dave__: download the source, compile it, install it in /usr/local/
[03:35] <dave__> I tried compiling the source, that was not a success story.
[03:35] <IIIEars> boo-boo - erm - not too sure you couldn't add that command to any game configs as they start then restart esd after playing. - pretty sure there is a more elegant solution. just don't know it.
[03:35] <bob2> cs378: use cfdisk to make a new partition in the free space
[03:35] <bob2> dave__: paste the error to #flood
[03:35] <blake_> ? ok ? brb
[03:36] <Madpilot> evening all
[03:36] <bob2> that's pretty amazing that MS made their own protocol 64-bit incompatible
[03:36] <cs378> bob2: i am currently installin kubuntu to a dual boot with windows
[03:36] <dave__> bob2, it is indeed.
[03:36] <blake_> you need to explain what this i sdoing once your done (hahaha)
[03:36] <cs378> bob2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo says i need 500 swap partition
[03:36] <bob2> cs378: ok
[03:36] <IIIEars> New MS protocol?
[03:36] <IIIEars> bob2 - new MS protocol?
[03:36] <bob2> cs378: just choose the defaults
[03:37] <FormerWinXPUser> once i install gstreamer is there any need for rhythmbox anymore because i know that totem can now play audio files.
[03:37] <bob2> IIIEars: SMB apparently requires changes to work with the amd64 windows port
[03:37] <bob2> FormerWinXPUser: yes, rhythmbox uses gstreamer
[03:37] <FormerWinXPUser> bob2, i know
[03:37] <godzirra> bob2: not sure how to use grub fromm the commandline apparently.
[03:37] <godzirra> I'm trying to load a kernel frmo /boot but that doesnt work...
[03:37] <FormerWinXPUser> is there any need for it anymore because totem can now run mp3s and such
[03:37] <dave__> It does, bob2
[03:37] <cs378> bob2: defaults?
[03:38] <IIIEars> bob2 - Aagh - that would be funny if it weren't so typical. - linux making them nervous? - GOOD.
[03:38] <sproingie> MS didn't actually invent SMB, tho they extended it enough that they may as well have fixed it
[03:38] <bob2> godzirra: boot into menu. hit e on the first item. go to the line that ends in "ro" and hit e again, then append kernel command line args, hit enter, hit b
[03:38] <dave__> ..building..
[03:38] <bob2> FormerWinXPUser: just leave it
[03:38] <FormerWinXPUser> bob2, ok
[03:39] <bob2> sproingie: yeah, I was just reading http://samba.org/cifs/docs/smb-history.html yesterday
[03:39] <IIIEars> bob2 - nice link - thanks
[03:39] <bob2> for some reason I thought samba started on digital unix
[03:40] <TokenBad> how get PSM for ubuntu?
[03:40] <blake_> bob2 i'm still here but i'm trying to do this while still staying in this name
[03:40] <smack> omg quick question.
[03:40] <bob2> blake_: ok...
[03:40] <sproingie> bob2: it's not that cifs is a terrible protocol, but implementations of it are *really* brittle
[03:40] <blake_> i need root privlages and i don't stay in root
[03:40] <smack> when you install a new kernel with ubuntu does it make the initrd image or does it come with one?
[03:40] <bob2> TokenBad: as in crypto for mozilla?
[03:40] <TokenBad> personal security manager
[03:40] <IIIEars> without copyright protection MS can't move as fast as linux developers. - not too worried.
[03:40] <smack> If I have modules specified in /etc/mkinitrd/modules will it put them in automatically?
[03:40] <TokenBad> went to website
[03:40] <Zugwrack> Need some help here...booting Ubuntu 64bit...loaded OHCI success..then it says ohci_hcd 0000:00:13.0: Unlink after no-IRQ? Different ACPI or APIC setting may help??
[03:40] <TokenBad> says can't load it without it installed
[03:40] <bob2> sproingie: heh, yeah, everytime tridge gives a talk at my lug he has some story about bugs they found in MS's implementation
[03:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i need to get access to hdb1 and it has an ntfs partition how do i do this?
[03:41] <bob2> smack: you need extra modules in the initrd?
[03:41] <cafuego> bob2: features
[03:41] <sproingie> bob2: MS knows about those bugs. they know if they fix 'em, they'll break a zillion third party apps that depend on 'em
[03:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and no mount point
[03:41] <bob2> cafuego: hah
[03:41] <dave__> ChurcH_of_FoamY, mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 /yourmountpoint
[03:41] <smack> bob2: ya I need md and raid1
[03:41] <bob2> Zugwrack: booting with the "noapic" or "acpi=off" options might help
[03:41] <TokenBad> bob2 any ideas?
[03:41] <bob2> TokenBad: I don't know what you mean by PSM
[03:41] <Zugwrack> bob2: Thanks
[03:42] <godzirra> bob2: hrm.. that didnt work. (the options I chose I mean :/ )
[03:42] <smack> bob2: I want to put my root filesystem on a raid.
[03:42] <TokenBad> personal security manager
[03:42] <bob2> TokenBad: mozilla and firefox have crypto built in
[03:42] <IIIEars> trouble is linux has to sometimes conform to the same bugs if they want to implement an app.
[03:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> dave__: i haven't created a mount point yet
[03:42] <TokenBad> this is for gallion
[03:42] <dave__> mkdir /mountpoint
[03:42] <TokenBad> or however spelled
[03:42] <bob2> godzirra: ok, I might be wrong, I've not bothered with fb since like 2002
[03:42] <sproingie> i don't know why they didn't just start aggressively versioning the protocol
[03:42] <TokenBad> mozilla isn't loading the page either right
[03:42] <bob2> yeah
[03:42] <bob2> designing unversionable protocols seems remarkable stupid these days
[03:42] <sproingie> maybe negotiating the protocol version is beyond the capabilities of any of the implementations
[03:43] <bob2> haha
[03:43] <bob2> smack: I think you need to rerun "mkinitrd" after editing that file
[03:43] <godzirra> Well, I can only find a gentoo framebuffer how to (and its actually a "splash screen" howto)
[03:43] <cafuego> bob2: have they finished NFS via XMLRPC yet?
[03:43] <bob2> hahaha
[03:43] <godzirra> and it says that you need to supply options to the kernel... but its not working :/
[03:43] <sproingie> i seem to recall that getting the right NTLM hash is sort of a matter of sending successive messages until one of 'em manages to be understood
[03:43] <cafuego> bob2: You laugh, but I point at gmailfs ;-)
[03:43] <sproingie> and sometimes you end up sending both, and hosing security
[03:43] <godzirra> Hrm.. I didnty specify a console
[03:43] <godzirra> should CONSOLE = /dev/tty1?
[03:44] <smack> bob2: I'm just concerned that when the next release of ubuntu comes out I'll get a updated kernel and it will come with it's own initrd image and my raid won't start. :)
[03:44] <dave__> smack, leave the OLD kernel on at all times.
[03:44] <smack> bob2: I suppose I could just have apt hold the kernel package if it's going to be an issue.
[03:44] <cafuego> smack: kernels don't just get overwritten with newer ones.
[03:44] <bob2> smack: yeah, I think it might
[03:44] <smack> ahh! so when I update it will just put a new entry in my grub menu but I'll still have the old one there?
[03:44] <bob2> smack: right
[03:44] <dave__> Yes
[03:44] <cafuego> smack: Indeed.
[03:44] <bob2> it's possible they generate the initrd at runtime, too
[03:45] <cafuego> smack: And you can also always tell it to not updat grub, so you can do it manually
[03:45] <bob2> anyway, work o'clock
[03:45] <smack> cafuego: where do I do that!?
[03:45] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok it won't let me view the contents of the drive from naut how do i do that?
[03:45] <cafuego> smack: /etc/kernel*something
[03:45] <smack> I know grub doesn't know how to pick up a /dev/md*
[03:45] <dave__> ChurcH_of_FoamY, run naut as root
[03:45] <smack> cafuego: thanks man!
[03:46] <smack> bob2 & dave thanks you guys also!
[03:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> um how?
[03:46] <gometro33> can someone help me setup my printer?
[03:46] <bob2> dude, no
[03:46] <gigaclon> !wireless
[03:46] <ubotu> wireless is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[03:46] <bob2> ChurcH_of_FoamY: sudo umount /mountpoint ; sudo mount -t ntfs -o umask=000 /dev/whatever /mountpoint
[03:46] <|QuaD-> bob2: i don'tk now if you got my msg before, i installed pump, then dist-upgraded and it worked out fine
[03:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[03:46] <|QuaD-> bob2: i had the dhclient issue
[03:46] <bob2> |QuaD-: bizarro
[03:47] <blake_> bob2 so i make # deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary into this deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/multiverse hoary?
[03:47] <bob2> |QuaD-: is there a bug on dhclient about that?
[03:47] <bob2> blake_: no
[03:47] <blake_> ok then it's the other one
[03:47] <blake_> right
[03:47] <blake_> below that one
[03:47] <godzirra> Ugh.
[03:47] <gometro33> what do i put in the "Location" field in the printer properties?
[03:47] <bob2> make "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe main restricted" "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe main restricted multiverse"
[03:47] <godzirra> I still cant get it to wrok.
[03:47] <godzirra> damnit.
[03:48] <blake_> ok brb
[03:48] <dave__> Compiled Samba, installed into /usr/local
[03:48] <dave__> Now I cant find smbd and nmbd
[03:48] <bob2> find /usr/local/ -name "*mbd"
[03:48] <blake_> i added multiverse
[03:49] <gigaclon> anyone got the Linksys WPC54G card working?
[03:49] <dave__> Does not start, bob.
[03:49] <gigaclon> or the D-Link DWL-G630
[03:49] <gometro33> can someone please help me setup my printer?
[03:50] <gometro33> ???
[03:50] <dave__> bob2, it just won't work yes.
[03:50] <dave__> =yet.
[03:50] <Zugwrack> fsck...now the partitioning is failing...it wrote out the partitions...now it has been sitting at 100% for bout 2 minutes...can't be good...the drive light is lit up like a christmas tree...
[03:50] <godzirra> god, I wish I knew how to make my laptop never ever ever beep at me.
[03:50] <blake_> bob2 i added the multiverse to the line and that's it is tht all
[03:50] <sri> anybody have a binary of xauth I culd use?
[03:50] <godzirra> Or at least not while I'm trying to do tab completion.
[03:50] <Razor-X> Zugwrack: that fsck was ironic
[03:50] <sri> breezy's xbase-clients doesn't seem to have xauth included
[03:50] <Zugwrack> Indeed..
[03:50] <sri> thus no vnc
[03:51] <Razor-X> Zugwrack: sometimes, the drive may be serevely corrupted, but not dead
[03:51] <Zugwrack> Locked up the whole computer
[03:51] <Razor-X> if/when you give up all hope of recovering data
[03:51] <Razor-X> PM me
[03:51] <Zugwrack> naw I had a linux partition with suse on it I killed...
[03:51] <bob2> blake_: then "sudo apt-get update"
[03:51] <Razor-X> so, there's nothing worth anything there?
[03:51] <bob2> blake_: then "sudo apt-get install mplayer-386"
[03:51] <cohonen> so how do i install apache with php 5.1.latest
[03:51] <cohonen> apache2
[03:51] <blake_> will try
[03:51] <bob2> cohonen: you can't, easily
[03:51] <Zugwrack> Razor-X: Nope
[03:51] <godzirra> Anyone know how to get beep to stop happening on tab completion?
[03:51] <cohonen> and select which modules in php5 i want active
[03:51] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> now linux can not wright to an ntfs partition is that right?
[03:52] <Razor-X> Zugwrack: if various partition managers fail
[03:52] <bob2> godzirra: xset -b, in X
[03:52] <cohonen> bob2, dammit,, i should never have fried my lovely gentoo
[03:52] <sri> ah, there is abug report on it.
[03:52] <cohonen> :'-(
[03:52] <godzirra> What about in console?
[03:52] <Razor-X> try getting dban (or using the included dban floppy emulator in System Resque CD) and doing a Quick Wipe
[03:52] <bob2> cohonen: you can just compile it if you really want it
[03:52] <bob2> godzirra: setterm
[03:52] <godzirra> bob2: and can I put that in my ~/.xinitrc after exec fluxbox?
[03:52] <sandis> Hi! Does anybody know how to shutdown computer after (for example) download completes?
[03:52] <FormerWinXPUser> which cd burner is better: graveman or gnomebaker?
[03:52] <abydos> Are there any ubuntu packages of E17?
[03:52] <bob2> godzirra: no, fluxbox doesn't stop running until X is shutting down
[03:52] <bob2> = xset will never be run
[03:52] <dave__> sandis: shutdown -h now
[03:53] <bob2> abydos: no
[03:53] <gometro33> what do i put in the "Location" field in the printer properties?
[03:53] <abydos> bob2: Bah, humbug.
[03:53] <godzirra> Oh. Can I put it before exec fluxbox then?
[03:53] <Zugwrack> Razor-X: This is going from bad to worse...now I don't even get the bios back on my brand new AMD 3200+
[03:53] <dave__> bob2, nmbd and smbd won't run, won't log to stdout...any ideas?
[03:53] <bob2> gometro33: "Office" or "Bathroom"
[03:53] <cohonen> bob2, so whats the lame and hard solution to my desire ?
[03:53] <robertj> Zug: disconnect your hard drive
[03:53] <bob2> godzirra: yes
[03:53] <gometro33> ah ok
[03:53] <blake_> file:///etc/apt/sources.list
[03:53] <bob2> cohonen: compiling from scratch
[03:53] <gometro33> ty bob2
[03:54] <sandis> dave__ - thanx
[03:54] <brainsick> I'm having problems getting printing working under Ubuntu -- do I need to do anything more than add the printer under System/Administration/Printing ?
[03:54] <Zugwrack> robertj: Shouldn't matter since it was hdb NOT hda
[03:54] <bob2> cohonen: or getting the source from dotdeb.org and making packages out of it
[03:54] <cohonen> bob2 ,, now i really miss gentoo
[03:54] <bob2> ok
[03:54] <HrdwrBoB> brainsick: you shouldn't need to
[03:54] <Zugwrack> robertj: What worries me is that I don't even see the BIOS screen come up
[03:54] <robertj> Zug: disconnect the hard drive
[03:54] <cohonen> bob2, what if i just want php5 stable
[03:54] <brainsick> HrdwrBoB, I'm having cXXXXX files building up in /var/spool/cups, but nothing prints
[03:55] <bob2> cohonen: same deal
[03:55] <cohonen> can i then select what crap i want turned on?
[03:55] <FormerWinXPUser> which is better: gnomebaker or graveman for CD/DVD creation?
[03:55] <cohonen> Dammit
[03:55] <bob2> cohonen: sure
[03:55] <cohonen> ehhh
[03:55] <cohonen> im confused ,, yes or no
[03:55] <HrdwrBoB> FormerWinXPUser: no idea, I use nautilus
[03:55] <FormerWinXPUser> but nautilus cannot make audio cds
[03:55] <bob2> cohonen: ?
[03:55] <HrdwrBoB> brainsick: is the printer paused?
[03:55] <robertj> Zug: pull the sata/ide/scsi cable and the power and see if you get to the bios
[03:55] <bob2> cohonen: "if you compile it, you can pick whatever buggy php modules you like"
[03:55] <cohonen> oki
[03:56] <bob2> cohonen: "if you compile the package source, you can also pick whatever modules you like"
[03:56] <brainsick> HrdwrBoB, it is in a stand-by mode right now (it's a laser printer) -- I'm assuming activity on the port will wake it up
[03:56] <cohonen> but what if i wanna have apt serve me
[03:56] <bob2> cohonen: then you go compile it for ubuntu, or find someone else who has
[03:56] <HrdwrBoB> brainsick: I mean in the printer control panel
[03:56] <bob2> the reason there are no php5 packages for haory is because no one cared enough to do the work
[03:57] <cohonen> bob2, oki i want php5 with xsl turned on .. can i find a package that has that ?
[03:57] <brainsick> HrdwrBoB, it's got a checkmark in a blue box on the icon and the Properties/Status indicate that it's 'Ready: Printer off-line.'
[03:57] <bob2> cohonen: dude, this is a real OS
[03:57] <Zugwrack> Razor-X: Does Ubuntu64 partition ext2?
[03:57] <bob2> cohonen: if there are php5 packages, then *every* module will be available, split up
[03:57] <cohonen> im sure it is
[03:57] <cohonen> aahhhh
[03:57] <bob2> cohonen: e.g. you'd install php5-xsl
[03:57] <cohonen> well im only used to ehh not real oses
[03:57] <|QuaD-> bob2: sorry, i went afk for a moment, i dunno if there is a bug in dhclient, lemme check if it works without pump
[03:57] <bob2> if you want mysql, too, php5-mysql
[03:57] <IIIEars> Zugwrack - unlikely - Hoary uses ext3
[03:58] <cohonen> bob2, thx
[03:58] <bob2> Zugwrack: ext3, just like every other ubuntu port
[03:58] <bob2> (it's "amd64", btw, not "64"
[03:58] <|QuaD-> bob2: dhclient is working fine now, i don't know what the problem was
[03:58] <boo_boo> IIIears: having trouble mounting ntfs partition on hdb
[03:58] <Zugwrack> Hmmmm.then why does it show ext2 in the partitioning phase?
[03:58] <occy> are these "new" (to me) USB external hard drives setup so you can run directly off of them?
[03:58] <robertj> Zug: does it come up now?
[03:58] <dave__> Occy, as in MOUNT or BOOT FROM?
[03:59] <occy> dave__, boot from I reckon.
[03:59] <occy> mounting should be easy.
[03:59] <IIIEars> boo_boo - give me a sec i have a link
[03:59] <Raptor> I need to make a boot disk for an old computer.....how can i do that?
[03:59] <CarlFK> occy - it is the bios that will determine if you can boot from a USB HD, not thge HD
[03:59] <occy> CarlFK, ahhh...
[03:59] <cohonen> bob2 now thats smart
[04:00] <robertj> Raptor: why do you need a boot disk?
[04:00] <occy> that sorta makes sense.
[04:00] <occy> s/sorta/does/
[04:00] <brainsick> I don't even know how to debug this printing problem -- nothing seems to be showing up in any logs
[04:00] <cohonen> bob2, ill give ubuntu a little longer time then
[04:00] <cohonen> :-)
[04:00] <Madpilot> bob2: if I'm having trouble logging into the Ubuntu Wiki, are you the person to talk to?
[04:00] <IIIEars> boo_boo - http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/518 (Thanks Seveas : )
[04:00] <dave__> brainsick, can you log to stdout?
[04:00] <Raptor> the bios wont allow me to boot from a cd....it has to be a disk
[04:00] <dave__> brainsick, increase verbosity?
[04:00] <milf> hi
[04:01] <brainsick> dave__, if you can walk me through how to do that, I'd love to try it
[04:01] <milf> i cant seem to find anywhere to turn on the 2nd monitor i have looked everywhere
[04:01] <milf> :(
[04:01] <bob2> Madpilot: more like henrik, I guess
[04:01] <dave__> What print server are you using?
[04:01] <brainsick> milf, I had to edit the xorg.conf manually and enable xinerama and add additional sections for the additional monitor
[04:02] <CarlFK> Raptor https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SmartBootManagerHowto
[04:02] <Madpilot> bob2: he doesn't seem to be here on #ubuntu right now. is there an email addy somewhere on the wiki that I've missed?
[04:02] <milf> is it easy?
[04:02] <brainsick> milf, it's mostly a cut-and-paste job -- are your monitors identical?
[04:02] <Zugwrack> All I can say is good luck on the 64 bit cuz it shure as heck don't work on my box...oh well back to Suse...
[04:02] <bob2> Madpilot: can you login to launchpad?
[04:02] <milf> no lol
[04:02] <bob2> Zugwrack: can you pelase file bugs?
[04:02] <milf> one is a tv other is a monitor
[04:03] <Madpilot> bob2: yes, I can. no wiki login, tho. not for days now, but launchpad works fine
[04:03] <brainsick> milf, oh ... I'm not sure how to set that up, then ;)
[04:03] <bob2> odd
[04:03] <milf> hehe
[04:03] <milf> plasma is good but im stuck
[04:03] <CarlFK> milf - what vidio chip? (I can help if it is i810)
[04:03] <milf> its a gf2 lol
[04:04] <milf> i dont know the chip off the top of my head
[04:04] <milf> i saw a setting somewhere but i cant find it
[04:04] <drummer> Need some help with a printing issue.
[04:05] <bob2> Madpilot: [email protected]. I think
[04:05] <milf> well i guess ill hunt it down thanks :)
[04:05] <Madpilot> bob2: thanks. I've already tried resetting my pw - twice - no luck there
[04:06] <airmikey> anyone here on wirless laptop ?
[04:06] <chris> me
[04:06] <giardino> zup
[04:06] <giardino> i've got a question
[04:06] <dave__> airmikey, I am.
[04:06] <giardino> i've just installed ubuntu 5.04 amd 64
[04:07] <drummer> I hav e an HP laserjet 4050. Ubuntu sends the print job to the printer - it says it's processing the job then goes back to ready. Printer was working before the Ubuntu install.
[04:07] <giardino> and X dont show up
[04:07] <airmikey> did u connect to the net pretty easly
[04:07] <giardino> i already test it with a 6600GT an it goes up
[04:07] <giardino> my current vga is a x800xl
[04:07] <dave__> airmikey, I did. What nic do you have.
[04:07] <giardino> what to do?
[04:07] <dave__> giardino, what brand is that?
[04:08] <giardino> tha 6600gt is gygabyte
[04:08] <airmikey> inter 2200
[04:08] <chris> ATI probably
[04:08] <giardino> and my x800xl is ati
[04:08] <airmikey> intel 2200
[04:08] <dave__> With ati, the fglrx drivers work great.
[04:08] <giardino> oh... so how i configure it
[04:08] <dave__> Install them with apt-get or Synaptic
[04:08] <giardino> ohh
[04:08] <giardino> i see
[04:08] <giardino> another question
[04:08] <fortysixand2> I stil can't get 3d accel with the fglrx drivers
[04:08] <giardino> how do i log with the root
[04:09] <giardino> which is the password of root
[04:09] <Madpilot> !sudo
[04:09] <giardino> im noob @ linux :P
[04:09] <ubotu> rumour has it, sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:09] <dave__> giardino, no passwd. Use sudo bash for a root shell
[04:09] <giardino> oks
[04:09] <Madpilot> giardino: see the URL that ubotu just posted
[04:09] <giardino> THX
[04:09] <orac7000> giardino: when it says password, enter your own
[04:09] <dave__> And Giardino, modify xorg.conf in /etc/X11 to have fglrx as driver.
[04:10] <kroc> does ubuntu work on powerbooks?
[04:10] <benplaut> it should
[04:10] <airmikey> should i have the ethernet plugged in while loading ubuntu....before trying to connect with the wireless ?
[04:10] <dave__> giardino, add this to xorg.conf to prevent lockups: Option "UseInternalAGPGART" "no
[04:10] <kroc> so can i have both ubuntu and OSX on it?
[04:10] <dave__> Put it in the Driver section.
[04:10] <blake_> bob2
[04:10] <dave__> Yes Kroc.
[04:10] <kroc> kool
[04:11] <dave__> But fairness tells me to inform you Yellowdog is the best distro for Macs, kroc
[04:11] <ksmurf> hello all
[04:11] <giardino> thx!
[04:11] <dave__> giardino, the last "no should be "no"
[04:11] <ksmurf> anyone have luck with madwifi (athreos) and wpa-psk ? pls fill me in
[04:12] <dave__> Make sure to reboot after installing fglrx and modifying xorg.conf, giardino
[04:12] <giardino> ok
[04:12] <giardino> thx
[04:13] <dave__> fglrxinfo should show your card after the reboot, giardino
[04:13] <cohonen> anyone using php and apche on ubuntu
[04:13] <FormerWinXPUser> can i adjust the speed at which Sound Juicer rips a CD?
[04:13] <cohonen> it seems modphp doesnt get setup with apache2 automagically
[04:13] <Madpilot> cohonen: yeah, but I'm a total LAMP noob
[04:13] <Madpilot> but my PHP4 install does work
[04:13] <cohonen> Madpilot, do i really have to fix conf files manually to get php running on apache
[04:14] <cohonen> ??
[04:14] <FormerWinXPUser> can i adjust the speed at which Sound Juicer rips a CD?
[04:14] <CarlFK> cohonen - no.
[04:14] <Madpilot> cohonen: on my machine, apache2/php4 & mySQL "just worked"
[04:14] <dave__> FormerWinXPUser, do not repeat yourself.
[04:14] <ksmurf> I'm useing it to learn it cohonen
[04:15] <FormerWinXPUser> sorry dave
[04:15] <eno> hi what is a good programming channel?
[04:15] <cohonen> Grrr
[04:15] <FormerWinXPUser> eno, #cpp
[04:15] <cohonen> cArl i did install php5
[04:15] <cohonen> mod-php5
[04:15] <eno> leave it to an XP user to send me to a channel with no one in it
[04:15] <cohonen> then apparently apache2 wasnt installed so i installed that afterwards
[04:15] <giardino> dave
[04:15] <cohonen> and now its fucked
[04:15] <eno> Windoze Blowz!
[04:15] <FormerWinXPUser> eno, stfu
[04:15] <ksmurf> anyone know about madwifi and wpa psk?
[04:16] <FormerWinXPUser> eno, keyword former
[04:16] <IIIEars> eno - ircspy.com is a pretty good place to find all public channels
[04:16] <eno> just joking sorry for the offensiveness
[04:16] <Madpilot> !lamp
[04:16] <ubotu> methinks lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Hoary is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LAMPForHoary
[04:16] <FormerWinXPUser> eno me too
[04:16] <eno> :P
[04:16] <giardino> is it apt-get fglrx
[04:16] <Madpilot> cohonen: see the URL that ubotu just posted, pls
[04:16] <ksmurf> !wpa
[04:16] <ubotu> Wish i knew, ksmurf
[04:16] <cohonen> ubotu, appently not
[04:16] <ubotu> cohonen: I don't know
[04:16] <ksmurf> !wpa-psk
[04:16] <ubotu> ksmurf: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[04:16] <dave__> FormerWinXPUser, see miss tina's comment on this page: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-957.html
[04:16] <cohonen> ubotu, ill look at it
[04:16] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, cohonen
[04:16] <ksmurf> !wireless
[04:16] <ubotu> wireless is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[04:17] <Madpilot> cohonen: uBOTu - it's a bot... ;)
[04:17] <Madpilot> !ubotu
[04:17] <ubotu> somebody said ubotu was uh... Thaaat's me! I'm a bot. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu!
[04:17] <Madpilot> be nice to the bot, man!
[04:18] <IIIEars> ubotu you are getting pretty smart nice links dude!
[04:18] <ubotu> IIIEars: I think you lost me on that one
[04:18] <Madpilot> besides, I added the "most coherent poster" comment to that ubotu entry...
[04:18] <benplaut> my respoinses are limited. you must ask the right question
[04:18] <dave__> Well, you were on the mark there, Madpilot.
[04:18] <IIIEars> Madpilot - nice touch.
[04:18] <dave__> benplaut, will you marry me?
[04:18] <benplaut> no
[04:19] <gigaclon> is there a way to pass esd command line argument when ubuntu starts up?
[04:19] <Madpilot> it got added after a frustrating evening here... ;)
[04:19] <LED_scorched> ok..i feel stupid even asking this...but how do you turn off x server?
[04:19] <smack> I'm thinking about doing a root filesystem on raid how-to if I get mine working. No ones' done that right?
[04:20] <smack> for mirroring.
[04:20] <dave__> LED_scorched, /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[04:20] <LED_scorched> thank you dave
[04:20] <smack> it'd be pretyt swank to write a script that does it and just prompts you for the needed info.
[04:21] <IIIEars> ubotu killx is /etc/init.d/gdm stop works for Gnome /etc/init.d/kdm is the command for KDE "Kubuntu"
[04:21] <ubotu> IIIEars: okay
[04:21] <smack> omg I need another cpu. I got rhythmbox loading up my 20GB mp3 collection and my whole comp is skippy.
[04:21] <ksmurf> LED u can crash X or killall gdm or kdm
[04:22] <cohonen> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[04:22] <boo_boo> IIIEars: got the drives mounted, but now I cannot view them, no permission
[04:22] <IIIEars> forget killx
[04:23] <ksmurf> anyone have luck with WPA encrytion and madwifi drivers?
[04:23] <FormerWinXPUser> is there a better gnome cd ripper than sound juicer.....one that is much faster preferably?
[04:23] <Madpilot> ubotu forget killx
[04:23] <ubotu> i forgot killx, Madpilot
[04:23] <HrdwrBoB> FormerWinXPUser: erm
[04:23] <cohonen> piece of crap
[04:23] <FormerWinXPUser> erm?
[04:23] <HrdwrBoB> FormerWinXPUser: the speed is generally determined by your hardware
[04:23] <IIIEars> bob2 - Help. (being new is rough) - can you field boo_boo's question. PLEASE>
[04:24] <HrdwrBoB> FormerWinXPUser: ensure that DMA is on
[04:24] <Madpilot> cohonen: what's a piece of crap?
[04:24] <HrdwrBoB> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DMA
[04:24] <FormerWinXPUser> how do i enable DMA
[04:24] <FormerWinXPUser> oh nvrmind
[04:24] <cohonen> Madpilot, apt
[04:24] <IIIEars> !dma
[04:24] <cohonen> unless
[04:25] <IIIEars> somebody said dma was Direct Memory Access/Addressing. A method of transferring data from one memory area to another without having to go through the central processing unit. It makes your hard disks run faster :-). DMA from the ubuntu wiki guide https://wiki.ubuntu.com//DMA
[04:25] <flugh> i do hdparm -d1 /dev/<whatever>
[04:25] <dave__> IIIEars, man hdparm
[04:25] <gigaclon> is there a way to pass esd command line argument when ubuntu starts up?
[04:25] <bob2> boo_boo: you need to pass it the umask=000 option, however youre mounting it
[04:25] <dave__> Better yet. /etc/hdparm.conf
[04:25] <ksmurf> giga ... a shell script
[04:25] <IIIEars> bob2 - Thank You.
[04:26] <boo_boo> bob2: how do I do that
[04:26] <cohonen> apache2 doesnt work with php5 :-(
[04:26] <cohonen> very dissapointing
[04:26] <HrdwrBoB> cohonen: it does work
[04:26] <HrdwrBoB> it's just not packaged
[04:27] <ksmurf> cohonen IT will...
[04:27] <dave__> gigaclon, in /etc/esound/esc.conf
[04:27] <dave__> gigaclon, in /etc/esound/esd.conf
[04:27] <cohonen> ksmurf, what do i need to do
[04:27] <cohonen> the guide says it just works, which is a lie obviosly
[04:27] <dave__> Add your options in default_options, gigaclon
[04:28] <cohonen> seems like i need to tell apache2 to fire up mod php
[04:28] <gigaclon> thanks
[04:28] <dave__> cohonen, with a2enmod
[04:28] <Madpilot> cohonen: php4 just works...
[04:29] <cohonen> well php4 is oldschool
[04:29] <dave__> Night, guys. And remember, Ubuntu X64 roxxorz
[04:29] <cohonen> wats a2enmod?
[04:29] <IIIEars> g'nite dave__
[04:29] <cohonen> whats
[04:29] <Madpilot> cohonen: as far as I can tell, php4 is what's being used on live websites, still...
[04:30] <ksmurf> anyone help me with WPA and madwifi?
[04:30] <cohonen> well oki
[04:30] <cohonen> leeme tjeck php4
[04:30] <cohonen> i just apt-get install php4 right ?
[04:30] <ksmurf> or use synsptic
[04:31] <ksmurf> or use synaptic
[04:31] <Madpilot> !lamp
[04:31] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Hoary is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LAMPForHoary
[04:31] <Madpilot> cohonen: check that LAMP for Hoary page, it's got all the details you need
[04:32] <cohonen> hmmm
[04:33] <cohonen> not much details there
[04:33] <Madpilot> enough to get everything running on my machine...
[04:33] <cohonen> yea ill try and see with mine
[04:33] <cohonen> aha
[04:34] <Madpilot> you can use Synaptic instead of apt-get; I prefer a GUI to CLI myself...
[04:34] <cohonen> php4 install a lot more stuff than php5
[04:36] <bloggernauta> i need some help, but i'm a newbie and brazilian (bad english speaker)
[04:37] <bloggernauta> help with identify a eth0 device (that is already installed but not appear on the firestarter) ow boy :(
[04:38] <bloggernauta> i have really a lot of problems with ubuntu/linux but i want to learn.... i don't want to be a begginer for too long
[04:38] <rob^> bloggernauta, you dont need to have a firewall
[04:39] <cohonen> hmmmhmhmhmhmhmmmhh
[04:39] <bloggernauta> i'm using one because they do the configurations automatically
[04:39] <rob^> bloggernauta, does your nic work without the firewall running?
[04:40] <cohonen> still not working
[04:40] <cohonen> buuuuh
[04:40] <cohonen> :-(
[04:40] <bloggernauta> i could not configure it
[04:40] <poningru> !iptable
[04:40] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, poningru
[04:40] <poningru> !iptables
[04:40] <ubotu> poningru: Are you smoking crack?
[04:40] <Madpilot> !firestarter
[04:40] <ubotu> Madpilot: No idea
[04:40] <poningru> hmm
[04:40] <Madpilot> !firewall
[04:40] <ubotu> hmm... firewall is program to stop intruders. Ubuntu comes with iptables. Graphical front-end: Firestarter
[04:41] <IIIEars> amnesiac bot
[04:41] <poningru> did someone delete everything?
[04:41] <Madpilot> !list
[04:41] <ubotu> I guess list is at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:41] <rob^> bloggernauta, get the network card working first before worring about firewalls
[04:41] <bloggernauta> i'm using firestarter
[04:41] <Madpilot> you can check that URL and see what ubotu currently remembers...
[04:41] <Necrosan> I just accidentally rm -f'd a dir
[04:41] <Necrosan> is there anything I can do to get it back?
[04:41] <poningru> rob^: it seems his eth0 is working
[04:41] <Necrosan> i just need a yes/no
[04:41] <rob^> Necrosan, no
[04:41] <Necrosan> and that FUCKING sucks.
[04:41] <poningru> its just not being recognized in the firestarter gui
[04:41] <Necrosan> FUCK
[04:41] <bloggernauta> all right, you bet, but how i do this :S
[04:42] <philips_> I am trying to start cupsys and I am getting StartListening: Unable to bind socket for address 7f000001:631 - Cannot assign requested address.
[04:42] <IIIEars> Necroscan - please be polite here Ubuntu humanity to others
[04:42] <rob^> poningru, if its working then it will be, you just have to enter the prefernces and enable it
[04:42] <philips_> StartListening: Unable to bind socket for address 7f000001:631 - Cannot assign requested address.
[04:42] <Speedy2> Hey all. I didn't find Eclipse 3.1 in the Ubuntu repos -- is it there? I'm hoping for a gcj'ed version
[04:42] <Necrosan> Yeah, delete some crucial files once
[04:42] <Necrosan> Then see how polite you are.
[04:43] <rob^> Necrosan, its your own fault not ours
[04:43] <philips_> There is nothing else running on 631 but it won't start
[04:43] <Necrosan> Yeah, when did I say it was your fault?
[04:43] <Necrosan> Moron.
[04:43] <rob^> bloggernauta, in chan
[04:43] <CarlFK> Necrosan - consider yourself warned.
[04:43] <IIIEars> Necrosan - it's not simple but yes - linux forensics. the penguin sleuth kit or helix
[04:43] <poningru> Speedy2: what are you looking for?
[04:43] <poningru> eclipse?
[04:44] <bloggernauta> i try to understand, but it's too messages at the same time
[04:44] <Speedy2> poningru: Yes, the IDE
[04:44] <poningru> oh
[04:44] <thenostradamus> anyone know if vmware has to be run as root??
[04:44] <bloggernauta> speedy2 are u brazilian?
[04:44] <Speedy2> bloggernauta: No.
[04:44] <poningru> yeah no clue speady sorry
[04:44] <Necrosan> I'll just redo all my work.
[04:44] <boo_boo> IIIEars: thanks for all of your help, started to figure it out finally
[04:44] <rob^> bloggernauta, what does your Preferences -> Firewall -> Network Settings say in firestater?
[04:44] <Necrosan> No point trying and screwing around with this.
[04:44] <bloggernauta> oh forgive me
[04:44] <Speedy2> bloggernauta: no problem.
[04:44] <Speedy2> I know I've seen Eclipse somewhere in the Ubuntu repos before
[04:45] <IIIEars> boo_boo - Pay it forward! ;) "windows users" "Linux communitty"
[04:45] <bloggernauta> rob^: i find the card eth0 and eth1 (the internet card) but i cannot configure the eth0 because in the boot sequence a message show up saying that eth0 card is no ready or something like that
[04:46] <poningru> Necrosan: you may be able to recover stuff if you have another computer
[04:46] <poningru> and you didnt trash your hd
[04:46] <rob^> bloggernauta, what does System -> Administration -> Networking say about eth0?
[04:47] <jcarr> can I run oracle on ubuntu?
[04:47] <rob^> jcarr, yes
[04:47] <rob^> dont know how, but its possible
[04:47] <jcarr> how!? I downloaded the linux download and tried to install it
[04:47] <Necrosan> poningru, it was just the contents of one directory
[04:48] <Necrosan> config files for something
[04:48] <poningru> oh
[04:48] <Necrosan> :/
[04:48] <jcarr> Checking operating system version: must be redhat-3, SuSE-9, redhat-4, UnitedLinux-1.0, asianux-1 or asianux-2
[04:48] <bloggernauta> er... i find system (sistema), but can't find administrator
[04:48] <poningru> jcarr: how does it download?
[04:48] <poningru> as in what kind of package does it come in?
[04:48] <HrdwrBoB> jcarr: may require advanced fudging :)
[04:48] <HrdwrBoB> jcarr: why do you want oracle
[04:48] <IIIEars> Suse is .deb isn't it? - so there is hope.
[04:48] <jcarr> an install script...
[04:48] <Madpilot> Necrosan: will re-installing the program not restore the default configs?
[04:48] <jcarr> may have to hack it
[04:48] <poningru> jcarr: no clue then
[04:48] <rob^> yep
[04:48] <poningru> yeah hack away
[04:49] <HrdwrBoB> jcarr: look up oracle on debian
[04:49] <HrdwrBoB> odds are it'll be the same
[04:49] <poningru> is oracle that peoplesoft thing?
[04:49] <HrdwrBoB> oracle is a database
[04:50] <poningru> made by?
[04:50] <HrdwrBoB> oracle
[04:50] <poningru> or recently bought by?
[04:50] <HrdwrBoB> oracle
[04:50] <HrdwrBoB> google for oracle
[04:50] <IIIEars> heh
[04:50] <HrdwrBoB> you can't really miss it
[04:50] <CarlFK> MySql, Postgresql, Ms Sql, Oracle, Informix, and a few others...
[04:50] <CarlFK> SyBase
[04:50] <Speedy2> So no one here has installed Eclipse ?
[04:51] <poningru> http://www.peoplesoft.com/corp/en/public_index.jsp
[04:51] <poningru> take a look there HrdwrBoB
[04:51] <FormerWinXPUser> why is my cd burning so slow? dma is enabled but i never experienced this problem before
[04:51] <poningru> what are you using?
[04:51] <FormerWinXPUser> gnomebaker
[04:51] <airmikey> tryin to load ubuntu on my laptop...when i first put in the cd it takes off then i get a black screen
[04:51] <poningru> no as in what are you trying to burn it with
[04:52] <Madpilot> you can turn the burn speed up
[04:52] <FormerWinXPUser> how?
[04:52] <SePah> algum do brasil?
[04:52] <Jugan> i just installed wine in hoary, and I tried to configure it using winetools, but I got a message which says that installed.reg cannot be found...how do i fix this?
[04:52] <CarlFK> hdparm.conf lists a ton of settings, and the cdrom example has dma, interrupt_unmask and io32_support - how does one find the proper settings?
[04:52] <Madpilot> FormerWinXPUser: "Burn Speed" is one of the settings before you start burning
[04:53] <IIIEars> airmikey - i am pretty new to this but check the cheat codes in the F1-4 keys - guessing it is a Framebuffer needs to be enabled for your lcd/tft screen.
[04:53] <vinboy> how do I refer to the ip of the local machine?
[04:53] <vinboy> is it always 127.0.0.1?
[04:53] <airmikey> hmm
[04:53] <CarlFK> vinboy - yes, or localhost
[04:54] <vinboy> ic
[04:54] <vinboy> thanks
[04:54] <jcarr> 10 Gig logfile
[04:54] <FormerWinXPUser> madpilot, yes but its at 52 which is the highest for my burner (52x) and its the same as before when it was 7
[04:54] <jcarr> oh, how can I open and read this 10 gig logfile!?
[04:54] <cs378> i just installed kubuntu successfully, im at KInfoCenter right now, n it shows that i have Intel P M 1.5 on the model name, but the cpu MHz is 599.642
[04:54] <CarlFK> jcarr- vi, less, grep...
[04:54] <Madpilot> FormerWinXPUser: huh. no idea, then. I just let it take whatever time it needs, and find something else to do!
[04:54] <FormerWinXPUser> right
[04:55] <rob^> !list
[04:55] <ubotu> well, list is at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:55] <IIIEars> CarlFK - how would you tell your app to rotate log files at a certain size?
[04:55] <rob^> ubotu forget list
[04:55] <ubotu> i forgot list, rob^
[04:56] <vinboy> linux is alot more better than 2 years ago
[04:56] <vinboy> more usable
[04:56] <Madpilot> rob^: do you not want that list available?
[04:56] <CarlFK> IIIEars - http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/admin/logrotate
[04:57] <rob^> ubotu list is at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuFactoids
[04:57] <ubotu> rob^: okay
[04:57] <rob^> Madpilot, thats why
[04:57] <Madpilot> rob^: got it. forgot about the wiki page...
[04:57] <IIIEars> CarlFK - Grateful. - Thanks
[04:58] <CarlFK> IIIEars - you're welcome
[04:58] <airmikey> IIIEars: yeah once turned off lcd in bios ubuntu started loading
[04:59] <cs378> anyone help with the cpu speed plzz
[04:59] <cs378> i just installed kubuntu successfully, im at KInfoCenter right now, n it shows that i have Intel P M 1.5 on the model name, but the cpu MHz is 599.642
[05:00] <CarlFK> cs378 - so?
[05:00] <rob^> cs378, try #kubuntu
[05:00] <cs378> shouldnt the speed be 1500 mhz
[05:00] <cs378> but intead 599 mhz
[05:00] <iKtomi> \o
[05:00] <ColonelKernel> ok back
[05:00] <IIIEars> WB
[05:00] <jcarr> when does a difference engine become a search for truth?
[05:00] <Chadza> Is it a Pentium M processor?
[05:00] <CarlFK> cs378 - it may be slowed down because it has nothing to do
[05:00] <Chadza> Laptop chip?
[05:01] <cs378> intel
[05:01] <thr1ce> cs378, cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep MHz
[05:01] <cs378> ill try tha
[05:01] <jcarr> what's the cheat to enter god mode in linux
[05:01] <Chadza> sudo
[05:02] <Speedy2> idspopd
[05:02] <Speedy2> idkfa
[05:02] <Speedy2> iddqd
[05:02] <cs378> wa the hell
[05:02] <cs378> on console
[05:02] <cs378> when i type in su
[05:02] <cs378> to go into admin mode
[05:02] <IIIEars> sudo? or gksudo yourapp. as root
[05:02] <pepsi> hi
[05:02] <cs378> oh sudo?
[05:02] <pepsi> why does it take 10 seconds to launch mozilla-firefox in ubuntu while it takes 2 seconds in debian?
[05:02] <frank> Is anyone here good at scripting?
[05:03] <cs378> whats the default pasword for enterin su in console? (newly installed)
[05:03] <IIIEars> cs378 - ubotu has a great link. - best i have read.
[05:03] <IIIEars> !rootsudo
[05:03] <ubotu> I heard rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:03] <ColonelKernel> pepsi - I dont kow - it is nice and fast in my ubuntu install - the first time you run it it'll take a bit because its writing a bunch of data to your use dir
[05:03] <ColonelKernel> user dir
[05:04] <thr1ce> pepsi, loads instantly here
[05:04] <ColonelKernel> .mozillla/mozilla-firefox and the such
[05:04] <ColonelKernel> after that its pretty much instant here too
[05:04] <ksmurf> anyone help me with WPA and madwifi?
[05:04] <pepsi> well once its already running, of course a new window will open immediately
[05:05] <ColonelKernel> no I meant once you run it once, from that point forth it should be nice and fasrt
[05:05] <ColonelKernel> once its written that data to your home dir
[05:05] <vinboy> hi
[05:05] <IIIEars> !wifi
[05:05] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[05:05] <vinboy> is there any good clipboard daemon?
[05:05] <ksmurf> what's the difference between vim emacs and nano?
[05:05] <frank234> i'm having problems with xmms and mplayer - i open a file and press play and it freezes - but otherwise i can play the same music clip in rhythmbox or some other player
[05:05] <IIIEars> ksmurf did that help?
[05:05] <vinboy> bcoz everytime I close an app. the stuff in the clipboard is removed
[05:06] <ColonelKernel> ksmurf, im pretty sure vim and emacs are for programming, while nano is just a straight text editor
[05:06] <ksmurf> ears no it didn't
[05:06] <IIIEars> nano is much easier. vim and emacs require a bit of practice to use effectively.
[05:07] <ksmurf> K .... And I was just using gedit..... I'm such a putz
[05:08] <konki> finally, ubuntu solved basic mathmatics... yea!
[05:08] <slashzero> I'm having trouble with my loopback interface, it doesn't start automatically, if I call ifup lo, it'll load but otherwise it doesn't doesn't load, any ideas?
[05:08] <konki> firefox 1.0.6
[05:08] <IIIEars> gedit works for me (usually just cheat and launch it with gksudo. - it won't do all files that way but most.)
[05:08] <bob2> konki: er, calling 1.0.2 + security fixes 1.0.6 would be rather crap
[05:08] <ColonelKernel> slashzero, in /etc/network/interfaces make sure you have an auto lo setting
[05:08] <iKtomi> what package provides teh command java? (apt-cache search java gave so much I think I lost it in the scrollback)
[05:09] <ksmurf> Ears I launch a term and then sudo gedit
[05:09] <ColonelKernel> slashzero, auto lo
[05:09] <ColonelKernel> iface lo inet loopback
[05:09] <bob2> iKtomi: wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[05:09] <IIIEars> ksmurf - yes gksudo gedit
[05:09] <konki> bob2, well i won't have any more problems with fixing bugs for firefox extensions....
[05:09] <ColonelKernel> the chairman of the wcw is here
[05:09] <iKtomi> thanks bob2
[05:09] <ksmurf> ColonelKernel tahnks
[05:09] <frank234> i've downloaded the mplayer package but i cant get it to play a wmv file. can anyone help?
[05:09] <ksmurf> cool wcw I remebebr that
[05:10] <slashzero> ah ha!
[05:10] <thr1ce> frank, codecs
[05:10] <slashzero> it was missing, thanks
[05:10] <ColonelKernel> LaParka was a mexican lucha libre wrestler who liked to bad people with chairs.
[05:10] <konki> iKtomi, java does not work for ubuntu i385...
[05:10] <ColonelKernel> s/bad/bash
[05:10] <airmikey> i put in the key for the wireless point but still wont connect do i need to finish loading ubuntu first....or should i be connecting before ubuntu is finished
[05:10] <ksmurf> Ears that was cool thanks. U taught me something
[05:10] <bob2> airmikey: wep? wpa?
[05:10] <LED_scorched> i'm having trouble installing an NVIDIA grahics card
[05:11] <airmikey> wep
[05:11] <konki> @least not on my system... installed java with alot of problems...
[05:11] <thr1ce> LED_scorched, stick it in the PCI slot
[05:11] <LED_scorched> lol.. done that
[05:11] <thr1ce> or agp
[05:11] <ksmurf> I'm looking for wpa help
[05:11] <frank234> led_scorched: sudo apt-get install nvidia-drivers ?
[05:11] <bob2> airmikey: does it work if you disable wep?
[05:11] <LED_scorched> goes throught the boot up, but my GUI never comes up
[05:11] <IIIEars> ksmurf - "Linux community" "windows users" - Pay it forward! :)
[05:11] <airmikey> im in the middle of installing ubuntu
[05:12] <ksmurf> Ears?
[05:12] <thr1ce> try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:12] <frank234> led_scorched: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[05:12] <frank234> sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings and then sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[05:12] <konki> can one change from LILO to GRUB with a simple command on the terminal??
[05:12] <arbi1> helo...... how do i disable a service from my current run level.. i used to use chkconfig in redhat... what about here in ubuntu?
[05:12] <IIIEars> ksmurf - stick around teach new users.:)
[05:12] <CarlFK> konki - yes: grub.
[05:12] <hollywoodb> if the correct way to disable startup/shutdown scripts is to chmod -x the scripts in /etc/init.d/ , why do I then end up with 'permission denied' errors on shutdown, and how to get rid of them?
[05:13] <konki> CarlFK, for reals?? that was simple thanks...
[05:13] <frank234> how does one go about playing wmv files on linux?
[05:13] <Speedy2> hollywoodb: I had the same problem. I just found it easier to delete the unwanted services, given I knew I wouldn't want them again
[05:13] <airmikey> bob2: in the middle of installing ubuntu...it asked for key but not connecting
[05:13] <thr1ce> frank234, i told you, install the codecs
[05:13] <IIIEars> Speedy2 - "w32codecs"
[05:13] <Speedy2> IIIEars: You meant to direct that to frank234
[05:14] <CarlFK> konki - well, that was the "simple command" - but you wil then be at a grub prompt and have to enter a few other commands
[05:14] <konki> CarlFK, that was some bs...
[05:14] <frank234> thr1ce: which codec? i've already got w32codecs
[05:14] <thr1ce> frank234, then you can play them :)
[05:14] <airmikey> bob2: i know the key is good cause i jus put in my sons laptop ..hes running xp
[05:14] <ksmurf> Ears I will
[05:14] <LED_scorched> thr1ce: what should i choose then from xorg?
[05:14] <LED_scorched> nvidia isnt listed
[05:14] <WEEE> will ubuntu show updates for software not installed?
[05:14] <frank234> thr1ce: i wish that were so, but mplayer wont play it
[05:14] <konki> oh.. thanks again CarlFK... vn command...
[05:15] <thr1ce> LED_scorched, well, something that will just allow you into X; then use the driver
[05:15] <IIIEars> Speedy2 - you can find it by enabling synaptic repositories "universe community suppported" - ubotu has some more info !codecs or !restrictedformats
[05:15] <frank234> any idea?
[05:15] <CarlFK> konki - you will probably want a menu.lst file that defines what gets booted from where - kina like lilo.conf
[05:15] <Speedy2> IIIEars: Tell *frank234*
[05:15] <frank234> !restrictedformats
[05:15] <ubotu> it has been said that restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[05:15] <ksmurf> nv works
[05:15] <_maydayjay_> Does anyone know how to get Crossover menus working in Kubuntu? I have done the apt-get install menu -- update-menus and it only gives me the Crossover menu ... not the Windows Applications menu
[05:15] <IIIEars> Speedy2 - (sheepish grin)
[05:16] <frank234> ubotu, tell frank234 about codecs
[05:16] <sono> Hello dudes, is anybody having problems with Ubuntu64 and OpenOffice Gnome integration?
[05:16] <madclicker_> hola
[05:16] <deprave> hello!
[05:16] <ksmurf> mayday.... do u have any winproggies installed?
[05:16] <WEEE> will ubuntu show updates for software not installed?
[05:16] <madclicker_> anyone here on 955 intel chipset?
[05:16] <Netslayer> how would i go about having a dual ubuntu and kubuntu setup? i hear you can just install kubuntu ontop of ubuntu?
[05:16] <sono> no WEEE
[05:16] <_maydayjay_> ksmurf - Yes... IE, iTunes, etc....
[05:17] <WEEE> ok
[05:17] <citrus> how do i stop and start and restart services in UBUNTU
[05:17] <arbi1> does rc.local work in ubuntu?
[05:17] <Speedy2> Netslayer: Kubuntu == Ubuntu with KDE.
[05:17] <IIIEars> madclicker - It will be easier for us to help you here in english. there is an #ubuntu-es if you would prefer it.
[05:17] <Netslayer> Speedy2, i know, i want kde and gnome
[05:17] <thr1ce> Netslayer, sure; apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:17] <_maydayjay_> citrus - /etc/init.d
[05:17] <arbi1> citrus... try /etc/init.d/service_name start/stop/restart
[05:17] <sono> you can install both packages Netslayer
[05:17] <Speedy2> citrus: You can get a utility called "boot up manager" (bum) or manually alter items in the /etc/rc.x folders
[05:17] <Netslayer> thr1ce, cool
[05:17] <deprave> can't you just install kde on ubuntu and then startx kde?
[05:17] <thr1ce> Netslayer, then select it from gdm under sessions as you please
[05:17] <ksmurf> mayday K 2 ways.... U can manually add the links on a menu is one option
[05:18] <arbi1> bob2 are you there ?
[05:18] <Netslayer> thr1ce, cool
[05:18] <jcarr> how do you make a home dir for a new user?
[05:18] <arbi1> jcarr mkdir
[05:18] <Netslayer> so does ubuntu 5.04 have gnome 2.10 ?
[05:18] <ksmurf> deprave U can select kde as your default wm if u want
[05:18] <_maydayjay_> ksmurf - was trying to avoid tthat - doing an install for a neophyte...<smile>
[05:18] <Netslayer> and kubuntu kde 3.4.x ?
[05:18] <deprave> ksmurf: ah ok.
[05:18] <jcarr> arbi1, uh huh... and how does it know it belongs to the user?
[05:19] <IIIEars> jcarr - system administration "users and groups"
[05:19] <arbi1> jcarr... also see the /etc/passwd file
[05:19] <sono> yes netslayer
[05:19] <_maydayjay_> ksmurf - I think it is a know bug on the codeweavers ticket system ....
[05:19] <ksmurf> mayday me understand. I just am converting my wife and I'm still a noob
[05:19] <uber_newber> hey im really new, but i think i have my lynksis wirless b usb network adapter install. so i went to networking and it says my wlan0 is not active
[05:19] <deprave> i just downloaded the iso , haven't installed it yet. but i've been told and read some good things about ubuntu as a desktop so i figured i would drop in here and check it out.
[05:19] <arbi1> Ears... does rc.local work in unbuntu?
[05:19] <uber_newber> so do i just click on the actiave button?
[05:19] <sono> Netslayer: both 2.10 Gnome and Kubuntu is KDE 3.4
[05:19] <uber_newber> hey im really new, but i think i have my lynksis wirless b usb network adapter install. so i went to networking and it says my wlan0 is not active. so do ijust click on the activeate button
[05:20] <IIIEars> arbil - (beginning to break into a newb sweat) huh?
[05:20] <ksmurf> may thanks. I have codeweavers installed and I just use it out of gnome
[05:20] <uber_newber> can sum help me please
[05:20] <_maydayjay_> arbi1 - no rc.local in Ubuntu....or Debian...
[05:20] <arbi1> not realy ears.... just that i am so used to redhat
[05:20] <ksmurf> uber shoot
[05:20] <arbi1> and i am still fumbling my way here
[05:20] <sono> uber_newber... which is your wifi card?
[05:21] <arbi1> so how do i execute my own scripts at the end of each boot up procss?
[05:21] <_maydayjay_> ksmurf - I think I'm going to have to go the gnome root for this one....thanks though!
[05:21] <IIIEars> /etc/initrc ?
[05:21] <arbi1> let me see that
[05:22] <arbi1> no initrc file
[05:22] <sono> uber_newber , or, is it yours a laptop computer?
[05:22] <arbi1> do i have to make one ?
[05:22] <arbi1> only inittab and init.d
[05:22] <IIIEars> arbil - erm i am sorry
[05:23] <skalpel> how can i fix this error?
[05:23] <skalpel> * Closing Link: 0.0.0.0 (Open proxy found on your host, please visit www.njabl.org/cgi-bin/lookup.cgi?query=66.142.150.44 (2005/07/26 22.54))
[05:23] <skalpel> * Disconnected (Remote host closed socket).
[05:23] <uber_newber> my wifi card is a lynksis wirelessb usb networ adapter
[05:23] <arbi1> erm? is that a typo or some geek lingo?
[05:23] <jmspeex> I've got a removable cdrom on my laptop. I used to be able to just "idectl 1 on" when I want to plug it in. With ubuntu, this no longer works. Any tip on how to do that?
[05:23] <_maydayjay_> arbi1 - You could still make a script for and include it in one of the rc dirs...
[05:24] <IIIEars> skalpel - security or pen test tools installed? - listening promiscuously?
[05:24] <vader1102> bob2: holly chit, the upgrade to Hoary went flawless.....even kept my wifi settings
[05:24] <Speedy2> Ok...Eclipse anyone?
[05:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is there a channel for gimp?
[05:24] <arbi1> yeah maydayjay thats there... but what is the official debian/ubuntu way of doing it ?
[05:24] <pepsi> ChurcH_of_FoamY, have you tried #gimp?
[05:24] <deprave> anyone have experience getting pengAOL running on ubuntu? =P
[05:24] <IIIEars> Church, #gimp on freenode some other irc servers have larger groups check out ircspy
[05:25] <_olaf> anyone have any experience getting pengAOL to work AT all?
[05:25] <gigaclon> is there an alternative to cadaver on ubuntu?
[05:25] <vader1102> and it only took about about an hour
[05:25] <_maydayjay_> arbi1 - try this http://www.plope.com/Members/chrism/debian_rc_local_equiv
[05:25] <deprave> _olaf: do my dismay i found a site where some guy did, http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialAOL.html
[05:25] <skalpel> iiiears: what kind of security tools? i used chkrootkit and had a friend scan my ports and everything appears to be okay
[05:25] <skalpel> iiiears: i think it has something to do with my identd
[05:25] <arbi1> thanks maydayjay let me look at it
[05:25] <IIIEars> skalpel -it was just a guess
[05:25] <sono> uber_newber , your adapter won't work out of the box
[05:25] <eno> thanks
[05:26] <vinboy> hi guys
[05:26] <sono> uber_newber , but it is supposed to work with Ubuntu
[05:26] <uber_newber> sono: why
[05:26] <vinboy> how do I enable numlock when i start ubuntu
[05:26] <poningru> press the numlock button?
[05:26] <deprave> haha
[05:26] <vinboy> no
[05:26] <vinboy> i mean auto-numlock
[05:26] <poningru> sorry
[05:26] <poningru> had to do it
[05:26] <vinboy> ubuntu enable it whenevern it start
[05:26] <sono> uber_newber , there is no Linux USB driver for some USB network adapters
[05:26] <vinboy> oh ..ok
[05:27] <Jugan> help, im trying to configure winehq using winetools but i kep getting the message "installed.reg not found"
[05:27] <uber_newber> ya there is its called at76c503
[05:27] <uber_newber> i g2g tho
[05:27] <_maydayjay_> arbi1 - here is a better proper way http://www.justlinux.com/nhf/Distribution_Specific/Debian_GNULinux/Debian__Startup_Commands.html
[05:27] <uber_newber> c ya later people
[05:27] <sono> uber_newber , so you have to use Window's INF file to ndiswrapper
[05:27] <arbi1> let me look again
[05:28] <poningru> did anyone point him to !wifi?
[05:28] <poningru> !wifi
[05:28] <ubotu> methinks wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[05:28] <poningru> uber_newber: go look at that?
[05:29] <vader1102> BBL need to go and have a shower....it is bloody hot in hear withthe laptop sitting here it makes it worse lol
[05:29] <_maydayjay_> Anyone using Crossover on Kubuntu with working menus?
[05:29] <vinboy> any great SIP phone ?
[05:29] <arbi1> mayday this is wonderful
[05:29] <arbi1> perfect
[05:29] <jcarr> anyone have Red Hat Enterprise Edition?
[05:30] <rob^> jcarr, this is #ubuntu
[05:30] <poningru> hehe
[05:30] <_maydayjay_> arbi1 - glad I could help... I used to use RH ... but debian has me hooked...
[05:30] <_maydayjay_> jcarr - I run it at work...
[05:30] <hybrid_goth> rob^: its not #ubuntu-rhee?
[05:30] <sono> uber_newber , (I heard Linksys WUSB54G works better with latest ndiswrapper 1.1 driver) well...
[05:30] <jcarr> so? Doesn't hurt to ask.. I need the contents of /etc/redhat-release so I can get oracle installler to run
[05:30] <jcarr> :)
[05:31] <arbi1> mayday i did not like debian.. but after seeing Ubuntu... i just love debian's child
[05:31] <rob^> hybrid_goth, theres a weard combo
[05:31] <jcarr> I'm a long time Debian user
[05:31] <rob^> Ubuntu Hat Linux
[05:32] <madclicker_> looking for 2.6.11 installer to test on ich7 intel
[05:32] <_maydayjay_> arbi1 - Ubuntu is great ... I've been hooked since the warty preview!
[05:33] <jon_> hallo
[05:33] <_maydayjay_> jcarr - redhat-release is available as an RPM.... just do a google search...
[05:33] <jcarr> #redhat is the deadest channel on freenode
[05:33] <arbi1> yah i am also hooked.. just that somethings are still not clear.....but with time it will be in my tips
[05:33] <jcarr> lots of people, no one speaking
[05:33] <Mobus> hi
[05:33] <Mobus> I'll speak
[05:34] <Mobus> me speaka no inglesh
[05:34] <arbi1> i was so used to chkconfig to update my run levels... and i kept looknig for somthing similar in ubuntu
[05:34] <arbi1> unitll i found update-rc.d
[05:34] <ctrlER> hi, I just did nmap localhost and it seems i have port 5010/tcp open telelpathstart, does anyone know what service is that?
[05:34] <misfit_toy> zzzzz
[05:34] <arbi1> mayday is that not the equilaent ?
[05:34] <_maydayjay_> arbi1 - I've used wiki.ubuntu.com and http://www.ubuntuforums.org (tips and tricks) quite a bit and they've explained a lot....
[05:34] <Razor-X> ctrlER: google is wonderful for that kinda stuff
[05:34] <arbi1> sounds good to be mayday
[05:34] <arbi1> just that i am a CLI person... and most help i saw was through GUI
[05:34] <ctrlER> Razor-X, tried that, nothing conclusive
[05:35] <drcode> hi all
[05:35] <drcode> any one can help me with xmess?
[05:35] <arbi1> maydayjay.. how do u install the latest firefox.. is there no ubuntu packages for it ?
[05:35] <crimsun> arbi1, see the topic
[05:35] <Razor-X> ctrlER: well, then, you can try and analyze your network traffic to see if it's an active connection
[05:36] <ctrlER> Razor-X, you're the best
[05:36] <Razor-X> or you can use other sneaky ways, but that borders into networ security/hacking techniques ;)
[05:36] <Amaranth> jcarr: #fedora?
[05:36] <ctrlER> its amule
[05:36] <Razor-X> haha, there you are
[05:36] <_maydayjay_> arbi1 - Lot's of GUI based support because they are trying to cater to the end-user audience as well, but there is some good lower-level CLI stuff too. Most of the Debian howto's work well as they work to stay within that model...
[05:36] <ctrlER> ops, wrong, mdh is the best
[05:36] <ctrlER> lol
[05:36] <arbi1> yeah... sounds good to me
[05:36] <ctrlER> he told me to use lsof
[05:37] <Razor-X> CLI is my preferred environment
[05:37] <arbi1> up with Razor-X :-)
[05:37] <arbi1> CLI rules
[05:37] <_maydayjay_> arbi1 - For firefox I think you need to remove the backports in your sources.list and then remove firefox and re apt-get install it....
[05:37] <ctrlER> :)
[05:37] <Razor-X> hell yeah ;)
[05:37] <skalpel> where is my identd client in ubuntu?
[05:37] <skalpel> is that the correct word, client?
[05:37] <Razor-X> aggghhh, twit 15 hasn't come out yet
[05:37] <crimsun> skalpel, there are quite a few installable ones. Try oidentd.
[05:38] <Razor-X> s/twit/TWiT/
[05:38] <_maydayjay_> arbi1 - I haven't tried myself ... was just reading about it ... i'll probably attempt shortly....
[05:38] <arbi1> _maydayjay_: why do many work arounds ?
[05:38] <skalpel> crimsun: alright.
[05:38] <jcarr> Red Hat Enterprise Linux AS release 3 (Taroon)
[05:38] <arbi1> what is backports?
[05:38] <Razor-X> skalpel: your IRC client should have identd built in
[05:38] <jtgameover> what is this new problem with backports and firefox i keep reading about?
[05:38] <jtgameover> i upgraded without doing anything extra, it works fine (1.0.6)
[05:38] <arbi1> backports has brought be to a grinding halt
[05:38] <skalpel> razor-x: well it did and does but it is acting crazy. im pretty sure i have been hacked because someone changed my identd name, and i dont know how to change it back
[05:39] <deprave> does the latest release of ubuntu run a 2.4.x kernel with tun/tap as module to use the CTunTapDriver
[05:39] <skalpel> and i have been getting errors on dalnet servers about an open proxy at 0.0.0.0
[05:39] <skalpel> which does not seem right
[05:39] <_maydayjay_> arbi1 - backports are bug fixes from newer versions applied to the versions that are included in the distro...
[05:39] <Razor-X> skalpel: someone hacked you on Linux?
[05:39] <vinboy> anyone use skype under ubuntu?
[05:39] <nekohayo> could someone tell me if it's possible to ln firefox's and epiphany's bookmarks together?
[05:39] <Razor-X> why not just reinstall your IRC client?
[05:39] <nekohayo> vinboy, I do
[05:39] <skalpel> razor-x: i believe so, i started having these errors after joining #260 on efnet
[05:39] <nekohayo> but it does not work properly for me x_x
[05:39] <_maydayjay_> vinboy - I do....
[05:39] <jtgameover> wait, so are we supposed to remove backports from sources.list? or change it to http://tinyurl.com/8f93v
[05:39] <Razor-X> don't always tag internet errors to ``I was hacked'' a lot of times programs just stop working
[05:39] <vinboy> where did u guys download skype from?
[05:39] <skalpel> ok
[05:39] <skalpel> well
[05:40] <nekohayo> the skype website
[05:40] <skalpel> my connection got reset instantly upon joining that channel
[05:40] <nekohayo> they have a .deb
[05:40] <vinboy> oh ic
[05:40] <Razor-X> that's more of a Windows mentality, actually ;)
[05:40] <vinboy> i downloaded 1 from there... but it can't install
[05:40] <skalpel> and has been acting buggy ever since on certain efnet servers and mostly on dalnet
[05:40] <vinboy> nvm
[05:40] <skalpel> though i am okay here on freenode
[05:40] <vinboy> i redownload it
[05:40] <_maydayjay_> jtgameover - you may be right ... I just skimmed a post late last night....I'll reread the post in a min ... I have to upgrade...
[05:40] <Razor-X> because an unprotected box connected to the internet gets spyware within minutes
[05:40] <Razor-X> Sasser within 5 minutes
[05:40] <jtgameover> _maydayjay_, i was asking a question, not making a statement....
[05:41] <Razor-X> just navigating in IE to the firefox homepage without google, you get adware
[05:41] <vinboy> Razor-X, yup... same as unprotected sex get HIV infection
[05:41] <vader1102> And worse in 10 miutes lol
[05:41] <Razor-X> vinboy: uh yeah...., PG rated content right there ;)
[05:41] <nekohayo> is it possible to ln firefox's and epiphany's bookmarks together without something breaking?
[05:41] <jtgameover> are we supposed to change the backports url in our sources.list to be http://tinyurl.com/8f93v?
[05:41] <jcarr> awesome... oracle 10g's gui popped up and is installing
[05:41] <Razor-X> nekohayo: are they in the same format?
[05:41] <vinboy> :D
[05:41] <rob^> !backports
[05:41] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[05:41] <nekohayo> well it seems so
[05:41] <vinboy> i love ubuntu
[05:41] <Razor-X> nekohayo: then try it
[05:41] <vinboy> easy to setup and use
[05:41] <nekohayo> because both are gecko based and export to html
[05:41] <Razor-X> although, you can just cp it
[05:41] <nekohayo> yeah
[05:41] <Razor-X> nekohayo: but their internal formats can be different
[05:41] <vinboy> except... i tried to setup home gateway on this machine... but no luck
[05:42] <nekohayo> but I want to be able to keep them up to date with each other
[05:42] <sproingie> are there any backports for amd64 yet?
[05:42] <Razor-X> then write a little shell script
[05:42] <nekohayo> well I looked at the code and it was somewhat different
[05:42] <cyphase> windows is a window of opportunity to crackers and thieves
[05:42] <sproingie> last time i looked at backports everything was 32 bit
[05:42] <nekohayo> firefox has LOTS of info tags
[05:42] <skalpel> razor-x: how do you explain my ident name being changed to 'fubar' suddenly? i did not set it as that
[05:42] <jcarr> cyphase, so is linux
[05:42] <Razor-X> like, write a script that exports to HTML and then it's imported into Epiphany, and vice versa
[05:42] <evo> how does ubuntu deal with modules loadind modules... should i use modconf?
[05:42] <sproingie> skalpel: that is the default for one of the identd's
[05:42] <Razor-X> and then add the script to cron
[05:42] <Razor-X> errr, I have to go, i'll be back in a bit
[05:42] <skalpel> sproingie: oh, great to know
[05:43] <nekohayo> don'T know writing shell scripts :P
[05:43] <skalpel> sproingie: do you kow how i can change it?
[05:43] <sproingie> skalpel: read the fine manual
[05:43] <Razor-X> nekohayo: ah well, for your problem, it may be hard to find a GUI solution
[05:43] <Razor-X> anyways, bye
[05:43] <skalpel> sproingie: for xchat?
[05:43] <troy> just got a new (shiny) SATA disk - what will it be listed as in /dev ?
[05:44] <sproingie> skalpel: for whichever identd you installed. there's like three of 'em at least, i don't know which you use
[05:44] <Madpilot> troy: sda
[05:44] <jcarr> I've lost my anti-microsoft attitude... they're a big company that does many things right, and many things wrong (like all big companies)
[05:44] <troy> Madpilot: merci :)
[05:44] <sproingie> skalpel: ls -ald /usr/share/doc/*ident*
[05:44] <jcarr> of course, microsoft won me back with .NET :)
[05:44] <_maydayjay_> arbi1, jtgameover - here is the post for Firefox http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51931&highlight=firefox
[05:44] <jcarr> C# is the best thing they ever made imho
[05:45] <sproingie> just deleting large numbers of files brings my windows desktop to its knees. that just ain't right
[05:45] <arbi2> man my net got down and i cannot connect back as arbi1
[05:45] <Amaranth> Windows 2000 and Windows XP are actually pretty good
[05:45] <skalpel> sproingie: i think i will install oidentd because i like the way it sounds
[05:45] <cyphase> ;)
[05:45] <Amaranth> most of the anti-windows folks haven't used windows since 98
[05:45] <sproingie> i use windows now
[05:45] <_maydayjay_> arbi2 - Just sent a link about Firefox http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51931&highlight=firefox
[05:45] <cyphase> Amaranth, I've used every version of windows
[05:45] <sproingie> not RIGHT now, but for my desktop at work
[05:45] <skalpel> sproingie: do you know what ubuntu uses by default?
[05:46] <cyphase> including the reeally old ones
[05:46] <Amaranth> i'm on win2k right now
[05:46] <cyphase> 3.1 and such
[05:46] <sproingie> almost all my actual work at work is done on linux boxen tho
[05:46] <cyphase> but not for too long
[05:46] <sproingie> skalpel: it doesn't come with one, far as i know
[05:46] <cyphase> just to try it out, and when i'm testing websites
[05:46] <arbi2> thanks _maydayjay_ letme read it
[05:47] <sproingie> but they all do heavy duty filesystem work, and they would crawl on windows
[05:47] <skalpel> sproingie: well then how come xchat has been working fine for me so far?
[05:47] <gpd> looks like my dvdrw is crashing HAL... can I disable it with kernel parameters? I tried hdd=noprobe
[05:47] <skalpel> it must have been using some kind of identy
[05:47] <jcarr> Amaranth, heh.. when I was anti-windows, I had left windows98
[05:48] <sproingie> skalpel: most irc networks will let you in if you don't have an identd. why they even query for one at all is a continuing mystery
[05:48] <vinboy> I GOT SKYPE RUNNING NOW!!!!! YEAH
[05:48] <jcarr> I tried windows ME, then decided it was the worst OS I ever laid eyes on, switched completely to linux, and never looked back
[05:48] <sproingie> skalpel: you will notice that the annoying delay you get when connecting to freenode will disappear when you install an identd
[05:48] <skalpel> sproingie: i did not know that. well in any case i have been k-lined on dalnet for trying to connect without one
[05:48] <mebaran151> what is the best python book
[05:48] <mebaran151> as a reference
[05:48] <skalpel> sproingie: well i installed nullidentd, is that all i have to do?
[05:48] <mebaran151> I dont need it to be really really basic
[05:48] <sproingie> skalpel: dalnet is a bunch of self-important losers
[05:49] <mebaran151> just a good O'Reilly
[05:49] <cyphase> mebaran151, probably the official python guide
[05:49] <sproingie> skalpel: make sure theres a line for it in your inetd.conf
[05:49] <skalpel> i know people there
[05:49] <mebaran151> hmmm
[05:49] <mebaran151> does it come in book form
[05:49] <skalpel> sproingie: what should the line read as, can you tell me?
[05:49] <mebaran151> I was thinking more the O'Reilly publication of some sort
[05:49] <mebaran151> I like to have documentation I can hold in my hand ....
[05:49] <sproingie> skalpel: oh the people who chat there are normal people. the ops are refugees from the BBS world who still power-trip at being sysops
[05:49] <mebaran151> and not in my mouse
[05:50] <mebaran151> sproingie, what is dalnet?
[05:50] <_maydayjay_> arbi2 - I found these pages very helpful with the switch from RH - http://www.debian.org/doc/
[05:50] <skalpel> sproingie: hey, i am a refugee from the bbs world
[05:50] <jcarr> anyway, I set up several linux boxen today, and we're going to use them as a data wharehouse running Oracle
[05:50] <skalpel> careful
[05:50] <skalpel> =)
[05:50] <sproingie> skalpel: and the rest are too tired of people attacking the network that they either dont care or go the opposite and run on a hair trigger
[05:50] <skalpel> it actually seems worse on efnet, i dunno
[05:50] <jcarr> for inventory tracking for our narcotics trafficing business
[05:50] <jcarr> we're going to go big
[05:51] <sproingie> skalpel: efnet is the worst, but it gets some exemptions for cultural heritage (e.g. #perl)
[05:51] <jcarr> dealers can use a client program that uses SOAP over an x.509 encrypted line to make orders :)
[05:51] <Madpilot> jcarr: does this mean you're running doping-source software?
[05:51] <skalpel> sproingie: are there any channels you would like to recommend here on this network, freenode, right?
[05:51] <jcarr> something like that
[05:51] <sproingie> skalpel: techie talk rules the day on freenode, so pick a language/os/app you like and hang out there
[05:52] <skalpel> sproingie: okay.
[05:52] <vinboy> what do u guys use for edonkey network?
[05:52] <jcarr> heh... I wonder... do organized narcotics outfits like that really harness technology? Do they hire sysadmins? Programmers?
[05:52] <cyphase> vinboy, aMule
[05:52] <vinboy> cyphase, is it good? did u try overnet?
[05:52] <cyphase> is overnet a client, or a network?
[05:52] <cyphase> lol
[05:52] <vinboy> client
[05:52] <cyphase> oh
[05:52] <vinboy> nvm
[05:53] <cyphase> well, either, way, i haven't
[05:53] <arbi2> let me take a look _maydayjay_
[05:53] <vinboy> i install amule now :D
[05:53] <jcarr> I don't use eDonkey
[05:53] <sproingie> jcarr: indeed they do. and they have some SERIOUSLY tough NDA penalties
[05:53] <cyphase> the program is ok, but the network is soso
[05:53] <vinboy> i hope it is good
[05:53] <cyphase> gnutella is good though
[05:53] <jcarr> NDA?
[05:53] <scsponger> hey could someone help me setup up my dual head setup
[05:53] <sproingie> jcarr: like a bullet to your head and every one in your family
[05:53] <humbolt> how can I use a gnome applet under kde?
[05:53] <jcarr> oh, lol
[05:53] <scsponger> i;m having some trouble
[05:53] <arbi2> _maydayjay_, did you update ur firefox ?
[05:54] <jcarr> I wonder, do they hold interviews? How does one go about getting a programming job for an organized crime outfit?
[05:54] <ESKILO> totem won't give me sound.
[05:54] <ESKILO> how can i change it to use esd?
[05:54] <skalpel> how can i make my bittorrent client automatically handle torrent files from my web browser?>
[05:54] <_maydayjay_> arbi2 - not yet ... gotta do a quick household chore ... then I'll get to it ... give me 10 mins...
[05:54] <gigaclon> I got a person to switch to Ubuntu from Debian
[05:54] <crimsun> ESKILO, by default totem uses whatever gstreamer-properties> default sink is configured to use
[05:55] <jcarr> gigaclon, so you talked the guy into giving up fancy restaurant food for McDonalds?
[05:55] <adelphia> how do i mask my IP on freenode?
[05:56] <ESKILO> crimsun where do i define that?
[05:56] <ESKILO> oh..multimedia system selector
[05:57] <yong> My TOSHIBA TE2000 laptop can't restart, only can be shutdown. If restart it, it change to hiberate.
[05:57] <skalpel> can someone tell me why i am haveing serious memory problems with java when playing music with rhythmbox?
[05:57] <ESKILO> crimsun well gstreamer is set correctly, and a test proves it.
[05:57] <ESKILO> crimsun but totem won't give me sound
[05:57] <Quake> does any1 know if ubuntu supports the netcomm modem/routers?
[05:58] <adelphia> how do i mask my IP on freenode? is it even possible?
[05:58] <rob^> yes it is
[05:58] <crimsun> ESKILO, what are you trying to play?
[06:00] <skalpel> is it common to have lots of choppyness and slow down when switching between workspaces?
[06:00] <skalpel> and even when minimising or resizing windows?
[06:01] <Computer__Guru> only if your video card sucks, you have a pissy video driver, or the wrong one set, or you have a semi-okay video card and you're stretching small pictures to like 1024x768 on your desktop
[06:01] <dbw> is it unhealthy for my install to put debian sites in my sources.list ?
[06:01] <skalpel> it seems eto center mainly around my web browser
[06:01] <ESKILO> crimsun any file, dvd directly, or a vorbis file.
[06:01] <ESKILO> crimsun helix player works for me in kde, but not in gnome
[06:01] <skalpel> computer_guru: well i am pushing my desktop to 1280x1024, because my card supports it, but i am not stretching out any small files, no
[06:01] <Computer__Guru> dbw: pretty much
[06:02] <ESKILO> and ogle doesn't work at all, so if i want dvd playing it seems getting sound out of totem would be good
[06:02] <skalpel> computer_guru: i have intel extreme graphics2 3d
[06:02] <Computer__Guru> skalpel: what kind of card?
[06:02] <dbw> Computer__Guru: what will happen?
[06:02] <Computer__Guru> okay,w hats the chipset?
[06:02] <sono> anyone with ubuntu64?
[06:02] <crimsun> ESKILO, and this is with totem, not totem-xine?
[06:02] <_maydayjay_> arbi2 - Worked like a charm --- here's the process
[06:02] <skalpel> computer_guru: i did the same in windows and did not seem to have a problem, only with ubuntu, again centering around web browsers and the virtual desktop
[06:03] <Computer__Guru> dbw: i dont know, but the systems are not identical, and there are things that will most likely break or not install right, or cause a lot of library dependency problems
[06:03] <skalpel> do virtual desktops use alot of video memory?
[06:03] <dbw> Computer__Guru: i see, thanks
[06:03] <_maydayjay_> arbi2 - Firefox - sudo dpkg --force-depends -r firefox firefox-gnome-support
[06:03] <Computer__Guru> skalpel: no, they dont. Again, what is the chipset of your video card AND what driver are you using?
[06:03] <_maydayjay_> arbi2 - Firefox - sudo apt-get -f dist-upgrade
[06:04] <dbw> Computer__Guru: one more question... how do i get rid of the no PGP key error from the backports source?
[06:04] <Computer__Guru> dbw: you running the official backports?
[06:05] <skalpel> computer_guru: it is intel 1810 but im not sure on the driver
[06:05] <dbw> Computer__Guru: "official backports"? that's an oxymoron ;)
[06:05] <dbw> Computer__Guru: but yes, i know what you mean , and i am
[06:05] <_maydayjay_> arbi2 - also check 'about:config' general.useragent.vendorsub and make sure it says 1.0.6 if you changed it for 1.0.4.
[06:06] <_maydayjay_> arbi2 - brb
[06:06] <Computer__Guru> skalpel: okay, open a root terminal, then type "pico /etc/X11/xorg.conf" and in section "Device" what do you have for driver? (dont close that window either, we might be working in it)
[06:06] <Computer__Guru> dbw: i dont know then
[06:06] <dbw> Computer__Guru: :(
[06:06] <Computer__Guru> dbw: i still use the unofficial, i havent changed mine yet
[06:06] <deprave> what are the possibilities that ubuntu will recognise my Matrox Graphics Millennium 6200 AGP video card?
[06:07] <humbolt> is there a way to get rid of the dhcp delay on startup when there is no cable connected?
[06:07] <yong> My TOSHIBA TE2000 laptop can't restart, only can be shutdown. If restart it, it change to hiberate.
[06:07] <Computer__Guru> deprave: pretty good.. now ask what the chances are that it will fully accelerate it and make you go goo-goo, heh
[06:07] <Computer__Guru> yong: turn off hibernation int he bios :D
[06:07] <deprave> should i try to find a different module for it?
[06:07] <skalpel> computer_guru: i810
[06:08] <skalpel> the driver seems to be correct
[06:08] <skalpel> sometimes it seems like maybe i am pushing too many colors around
[06:08] <skalpel> but i have been told it does not make that much of a difference
[06:08] <dip[MON] > how do I extend the console to all 12 terminals ?
[06:08] <Computer__Guru> deprave: just check to see if there is one, and if there is, at boot time, instead of just hitting enter for the install, type "linux xmodule=whatever" at the Boot: prompt
[06:08] <deprave> right on, thanks
[06:08] <Computer__Guru> skalpel: change it to vesa and restart x.. lemme know how that goes.. the i810 driver is shite
[06:09] <yong> turn off hibernation bios?
[06:09] <skalpel> computer_guru: alright
[06:09] <arbi2> _maydayjay_, i am really confused now
[06:09] <Computer__Guru> just a suggestion
[06:09] <yong> BUT I want to use it
[06:09] <Computer__Guru> yah there is that
[06:09] <deprave> is ubuntu still having problems with APC etc?
[06:09] <Computer__Guru> i dunno... check your power saving features
[06:10] <bob2> yong: the kernel will hibernate without caring about your bios
[06:10] <Computer__Guru> i dont know
[06:10] <bob2> deprave: APC UPS?
[06:10] <deprave> no i used the wrong acronym, i mean the power saving schemes on laptops
[06:10] <yong> I think it is the problem of ACPI.
[06:10] <deprave> yeah acpi
[06:10] <deprave> sorry
[06:10] <bob2> ah
[06:11] <deprave> i read a review at osnews.com and one of the review'ers had problems on his laptop with ACPI
[06:11] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryPMResults
[06:11] <yong> Is this occured is other laptop?
[06:11] <bob2> most new machines work fine
[06:11] <Computer__Guru> yong: go to http://www.google.com/linux and type in "toshiba te2000 acpi" without the quotes and see what you get
[06:11] <deprave> yong: it was a IBM thinkpad i think, 800mhz or so
[06:11] <arbi2> brb _maydayjay_
[06:12] <yong> I am gonna see it.
[06:12] <Computer__Guru> different bios manufacturers have different ideas as to how to implement the acpi 'standard'
[06:12] <Computer__Guru> kinda like microsoft did with java
[06:13] <bob2> most don't care, and if windows mostly works, they ship it
[06:13] <Computer__Guru> yup
[06:13] <Computer__Guru> screw how bad they murdered the rfc
[06:13] <Computer__Guru> they just dont care, as long as it runs windows
[06:13] <deprave> is IPv6 buggy with ubuntu?
[06:14] <bob2> you need to be far more specific
[06:14] <luckyaba> deprave: yes
[06:14] <deprave> luckyaba thanks
[06:14] <bob2> aiui, linux's ipv6 stack isn't quite rfc-compliant yet
[06:14] <bob2> if you mean "can it sometimes slow down resolution of ipv4 names", then, yes
[06:14] <luckyaba> deprave: at least i have seen quite a few people who have had problems with it
[06:14] <Computer__Guru> has the world finally agreed on an IPv6 standard? last i heard there were two distinctly different systems ont he board
[06:15] <deprave> luckyaba yeah just slow resolution for names
[06:15] <bob2> ipv6 was standardised long ago
[06:15] <bob2> there's more than one standard for tunneling it over ipv4, tho
[06:15] <Computer__Guru> heh, shows how int he networking game ive been lately :D
[06:15] <Computer__Guru> nah, i meant the format of the ip
[06:16] <bob2> long ago there were two plans, I think
[06:16] <bob2> well before my time, tho
[06:16] <Computer__Guru> the options i remember were 255.255.255.255.255.255.255.255 and 65535.65535.65535.65535
[06:16] <Computer__Guru> both offering equal amounts of ips
[06:16] <bob2> ipv6 sorta uses the second type
[06:17] <bob2> for display, anyway
[06:17] <arbi3> man i keep getting kicked out
[06:17] <bob2> fe80::20a:e4ff:fe2a:c663
[06:17] <Computer__Guru> oh boy hex
[06:19] <NamShub> I need help with ubuntu... I always lose my network connection
[06:19] <NamShub> dmesg reveals this:
[06:19] <NamShub> Jul 27 00:12:06 localhost kernel: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth1: transmit timed out
[06:20] <bob2> sounds like your card is broken, or the driver is buggy
[06:20] <bob2> what does google say about that and your driver?
[06:20] <Speedy2> NamShub: What's the NIC?
[06:20] <NamShub> then I can not bring the interface up again (ifdown works, ifup eth1 will fail when running dhclient3)
[06:20] <Speedy2> A 3C575CT ?
[06:20] <NamShub> bob2: Speedy2: It happens on the 3 (!!) NICs I tried
[06:20] <Speedy2> NamShub: What model of NICs?
[06:21] <ESKILO> crimsun yeah with totem
[06:21] <bob2> a friend of mine had that problem the other night
[06:21] <ESKILO> crimsun i installed totem-xine but i can't find tit
[06:21] <ESKILO> it
[06:21] <bob2> I think his pci bus is toast
[06:21] <NamShub> a D-Link 530TX
[06:21] <NamShub> the onboard Nvidia (forcedeth) -- K8NE
[06:21] <NamShub> and a Realtek (5830?)
[06:21] <bob2> forcedeth I'd not be surprised at
[06:22] <bob2> but tulip's always been good to me
[06:22] <NamShub> problem is, they all work with gentoo and regular debian
[06:22] <bob2> or is it via-rhine, I forget
[06:22] <IIIEars> Hi
[06:22] <bob2> NamShub: perhaps try disabling acpi or the apic?
[06:22] <NamShub> bob2: how?
[06:23] <bob2> NamShub: add "noapic" as a kernel boot option
[06:24] <bob2> ubotu: temp kernel option is hit esc during boot to get to the grub boot option, then hit "e" on the kernel you want to boot. scroll down to the line that ends in "ro" and hit "e" again. add your option at the end of the edit line, then hit enter, and "b" to boot
[06:24] <ubotu> okay, bob2
[06:24] <ESKILO> anyone know why helix player works fine for me in kde, but not in gnome?
[06:24] <NamShub> bob2: ok thanks, Ill try that (bbiab)
[06:24] <bob2> did you configure it to use arts or esd?
[06:24] <ESKILO> or why i can play dvds in gnome but not in kde?
[06:24] <gigaclon> is there an alternative to cadaver on ubuntu?
[06:24] <ESKILO> bob2 it has a setting for that?
[06:24] <bob2> NamShub: if that doesn't work, please tell me so I can fix the factoid
[06:24] <bob2> gigaclon: emacs has a webdav client, too
[06:25] <bob2> what's wrong with cadaver?
[06:25] <gigaclon> its not a gui
[06:25] <ESKILO> bob2 okay that's probably the problem. my bigger problem is that totem doesn't give me sound, just video. other gstreamer apps work fine
[06:25] <bob2> ESKILO: I dunno, but I'd assume that's your problem, based on your highly incomplete questoin
[06:25] <bob2> ESKILO: do you have totem-xine installed?
[06:25] <skalpel> computer_guru: i am now using vesa as my driver, it seems to be okay
[06:26] <ESKILO> bob2 yeah
[06:27] <bob2> then I'd guess it's not using gstreamer for output
[06:27] <ESKILO> bob2 i don't see a way to set the audio system in helix btw
[06:27] <gigaclon> bob2, is there a gui frontend?
[06:27] <ESKILO> i thought it was programmed to..
[06:27] <mmoscosa> does anyone knows why cant i send or recive files with amsn?!?! does anyone know how to fix it?!
[06:27] <bob2> gigaclon: to cadaver? doubt it.
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> possibially a firewall/port blocked issue mmoscosa
[06:28] <bob2> gigaclon: konqueror can use webdav, tho
[06:28] <bob2> so can nautilus, iirc
[06:28] <dabaR> mmoscosa: router? firewall?
[06:28] <gigaclon> hmmm
[06:28] <mmoscosa> Dr_Willis how can i know if this is the problem?! ho should i fix it?!
[06:28] <skalpel> can someone tell me what this usually means? You are banned from this server- Temporary K-line 1440 min. - DNSBL listed. Check ircnet.com/cgi-bin/bl.cgi?ip=66.142.150.44 for removal. (2005/7/27 00.27)
[06:28] <skalpel> * Closing Link: adsl-66-142-150-44.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (Connection closed)
[06:28] <skalpel> is it trouble?
[06:28] <rob^> hah
[06:28] <mmoscosa> dabaR router?
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> mmoscosa, id say check the programs homepage.
[06:29] <bob2> skalpel: you've been klined because your ip was used by morons
[06:29] <NamShub> lets see it this will die :P
[06:29] <bob2> for spamming, apparently
[06:29] <skalpel> bob2: used for what exactly?
[06:29] <skalpel> ok
[06:29] <HrdwrBoB> skalpel: check that URL for removal
[06:29] <bob2> hopefully you have a dynamic ip and only got it recently
[06:29] <skalpel> nothing dangerous though?
[06:29] <HrdwrBoB> skalpel: when you see an error message
[06:29] <HrdwrBoB> read it.
[06:29] <mmoscosa> Dr_Willis ok, thx, i will do so... :S hahaha
[06:29] <NamShub> looking back at my log there seems to also have problem with IPv6, any way to disable that?
[06:29] <skalpel> alright
[06:29] <bob2> skalpel: depends why you're on it
[06:29] <gigaclon> is there a HowTo?
[06:29] <bob2> skalpel: if you happened to get an ip from someone who did bad things, it's not
[06:29] <dabaR> ubotu router is a device used to connect multiple copmputers online at the same time, or wirelessly. It would be a box in between your modem and computer if you go by the wires.
[06:29] <ubotu> okay, dabaR
[06:29] <bob2> skalpel: if you got it because you did bad things, yes, it's bad
[06:29] <bob2> gigaclon: for what?
[06:30] <ESKILO> anyone know how to set the sound system in helix?
[06:30] <dabaR> mmoscosa: there it is, do you have one?
[06:30] <gigaclon> using Natulis for webdrive
[06:30] <mmoscosa> dabaR i guess... dsl connection...
[06:30] <dabaR> ESKILO: is there a menu option for preferences, or sound preferences?
[06:30] <bob2> "webdav", not drive
[06:30] <dabaR> mmoscosa: what country?
[06:31] <dabaR> mmoscosa: or, tell me the brand and model of the box you have.
[06:31] <deprave> anyone ever try to get aol to dial on ubuntu
[06:31] <deprave> using pengAOL
[06:31] <HrdwrBoB> no
[06:31] <ESKILO> dabaR not really
[06:31] <HrdwrBoB> because that would mean you're using AOL
[06:31] <dabaR> deprave: I am sure someone did at some time, since they created it.
[06:31] <deprave> yeah well free internet is better than no internet
[06:31] <mmoscosa> dabaR Mexico.... Speedstream Modem... Prodigy Infinitum service
[06:31] <dabaR> ESKILO: no preferences? no sound settings, nothing of the sort?
[06:31] <bob2> gigaclon: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?threadid=341758
[06:31] <dabaR> mmoscosa: and nothing after that speedstream?
[06:33] <dabaR> mmoscosa: meaning, the cable from the speedstream goes into your computer, is that correct?
[06:33] <arbi3> test
[06:33] <arbi3> test
[06:33] <mmoscosa> dabaR wait a sec..
[06:33] <mmoscosa> dabaR yes
[06:33] <arbi3> i have seen everywhere.. what is the meaning of disabling baclports
[06:34] <WebWiz> somebody had mkfontdir on their site for breezy does anybody ahve that link
[06:34] <dabaR> mmoscosa: ok, then you dont have a router, do you have a firewall?
[06:34] <ricosuave17> how do i get engage for ubunutu
[06:34] <mmoscosa> dabaR not that i know... hehehe :$ (quite a newbie i am)
[06:35] <dabaR> arbi3: disabling backportsd means to comment out the line in your /etc/apt/sources.list file, that is used for accessing backports. if you want, /join #flood, then in #flood, type in /exec -o cat /etc/apt/sources.list and I will tell you if you have backports enabled, and how to comment them out.
[06:36] <dabaR> mmoscosa: are you using ubuntu? if so, type in ifconfig in a terminal, find out your IP address, and ping it.
[06:36] <_maydayjay_> arbi3 - I wouldn't worry about disabling backports....I did the firefox upgrade without doing so....I think there was an interim fix involving this...
[06:36] <dabaR> haha, not that that will tell you, or anything, but I am not sure how to find out.
[06:36] <auk> ricosuave17: you tromp through the FIRES OF HELL that are the "E17" CVS
[06:36] <arbi3> i dont see any backports in my sources.list file
[06:36] <arbi3> i downloaded ubuntu only yesterday
[06:36] <ricosuave17> but all i want is the dock
[06:36] <ricosuave17> not e17
[06:37] <mmoscosa> ok, wait a sec dabaR
[06:37] <auk> yeah, you need to get a portion of the libraries, though
[06:37] <_maydayjay_> arbi3 - you might want to check out the user documentation in the wiki wiki.ubuntu.com
[06:37] <ricosuave17> ok can u tell me how to do it
[06:37] <auk> no.
[06:37] <Dropknee> can anyone pls help here, I try to install ubuntu in my external USB HDD, when the instalation finish and want a restat, this HDD never boot, I check all, I enable first boot in USB-HDD but this never boot, any help here?
[06:37] <nicedreams> What's wrong with Ubuntu's repositories? I can't find anything anymore. Like where did the w32codecs go and xnview and synergyc ???
[06:37] <arbi3> i just doing that
[06:37] <auk> ricsuave17, i tried a while back, and i failed miserably
[06:38] <WebWiz> HI everybody - i have my windows partition mounted but i have to be root to read from it, what am i doing wrong?
[06:38] <dabaR> arbi3: you dont have backports then.
[06:38] <auk> *ricosuave17
[06:38] <ricosuave17> well what to do
[06:38] <dabaR> the backports are not there by default.
[06:38] <arbi3> aah dabaR sounds good to me
[06:38] <nicedreams> dabaR, I just added the ubuntu backports and still not there
[06:38] <dabaR> Also, you not seeing them could be cause you dont know how they look.
[06:38] <dabaR> nicedreams: still not what there?
[06:38] <nicedreams> the backports from ubuntu forums right?
[06:39] <_maydayjay_> nicedreams - did you do an apt-get update?
[06:39] <nicedreams> yeap
[06:39] <nicedreams> is this the right one?
[06:39] <nicedreams> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[06:39] <dabaR> nicedreams: ah, sorry, never got there.
[06:39] <dabaR> nicedreams: backpotrs dont look like that any more
[06:39] <nicedreams> oh...they need to fix the forums then
[06:39] <auk> ricosuave17, go to enlightenment.org, click on the enage page, and there will be a link somewhere...but i recommend tryign VERY, VERY hard to find a .deb or some apt repository
[06:39] <arbi3> _maydayjay_, i disabled my CD repository and now should i add this new backports at the top ?
[06:39] <nicedreams> http://www.ubuntuforums.org
[06:40] <nicedreams> do you know where I can get the new backports then?
[06:40] <dabaR> nicedreams: /msg ubotu backports
[06:40] <ricosuave17> auk: i dont find any links at all on engage page
[06:40] <vinboy> where are the kernel C headers located?
[06:40] <cs378> hey ppl, i want to copy a file to hd3/usr/lib how do i do that?
[06:40] <auk> hmm, there was when i looked
[06:40] <cs378> everytime i do it, it says access denied
[06:41] <auk> WebWiz: what does the corresponding line in your /etc/fstab look like?
[06:41] <dabaR> vinboy: what?
[06:41] <dabaR> cs378: hd3/usr/lib does not sound like an absolute path.
[06:41] <auk> cs378: try doing whatever you'r edoing with sudo :)
[06:41] <cs378> hmm
[06:41] <auk> ooh..."hd3" ??
[06:41] <Dropknee> can anyone pls help here, I try to install ubuntu in my external USB HDD, when the instalation finish and want a restat, this HDD never boot, I check all, I enable first boot in USB-HDD but this never boot, any help here?
[06:41] <cs378> is there anyway to do it in KDE GUi seems easier
[06:42] <cs378> hda3
[06:42] <cs378> sry
[06:42] <auk> oh
[06:42] <NamShub> thanks bob2, disabling apic seems to have fixed everything!
[06:42] <dabaR> hda3 is under /dev
[06:42] <NamShub> (after 6 month of trying, I can finally swith to kubuntu heh)
[06:42] <arbi3> is apt-get update same as cilcking the refresh button in synaptic ?
[06:42] <dabaR> you sure that is what you are doing, not /user/lib?
[06:42] <WebWiz> oops sorry guys
[06:42] <cs378> but in sudo i cant go into /dev/hda3/lib
[06:42] <regeya> kubuntu is rather nice.
[06:43] <WebWiz> /dev/hda1 /win natime,rw,user 0 0
[06:43] <regeya> NamShub, dare I ask what the problem was switching to kubuntu? what were you switching *from*?
[06:43] <_maydayjay_> arbi3 - yep and add -- deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:43] <luckyaba> citrus_ weirdo
[06:43] <auk> cs378, is hda3 part of the linux filesystem?
[06:43] <arbi3> _maydayjay_, done.. so now should i upate it ?
[06:44] <WebWiz> auk: noatime i mean
[06:44] <auk> hmm, that didn't come out right...
[06:44] <cs378> auk, yes i think, sry i am a total newb
[06:44] <_maydayjay_> arbi3 - yep...
[06:44] <nicedreams> dabaR, ubotu gave me the same exact backports I just listed
[06:44] <nicedreams> dabaR, what now?
[06:44] <nicedreams> dabaR, hold up...i think one thing has changed
[06:44] <nicedreams> dabaR, nope...it's the same as in ubuntuforums and that's what I have. any other suggestions?
[06:44] <cs378> auk, im tryin to install firefox flash plugin, so i need to copy two flash files to the firefox plugin folder
[06:44] <nicedreams> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=52168
[06:45] <_maydayjay_> cs738 - or create a sym link....
[06:45] <dabaR> nicedreams: nope, ubotu has the right answer
[06:45] <dabaR> !backports
[06:45] <ubotu> backports is, like, .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[06:45] <dabaR> oh, wow, thats new
[06:45] <ESKILO> i can't figure out where helix player stores its config
[06:45] <cs378> maydayjay, sym link?
[06:46] <nicedreams> those new backports seems to not have anything
[06:46] <NamShub> regeya: gentoo
[06:46] <arbi3> why the name backports ? has it got to do something with the gentoo portage or BSD ports?
[06:46] <NamShub> regeya: nothing against it, just wanted a binary distro
[06:46] <bob2> no
[06:46] <nekohayo> could any breezy user tell me if pitivi has been packaged into the repositories?
[06:46] <bob2> the word "backport" existed long before gentoo did
[06:46] <WebWiz> i want anybody to be able to mount /win and anybody be able to read write /win
[06:46] <dabaR> ESKILO: tools>prefs
[06:46] <bob2> nekohayo: packages.ubuntu.com
[06:47] <gigaclon> its because the new versions are ported back to older versions
[06:47] <_maydayjay_> cs378 - I don't think the flashplayer plugin needs it ... only the JRE plugin....
[06:47] <bob2> WebWiz: www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:47] <pepperpot> Has anyone noticed that the devil's dictionary in ubuntu is broken?
[06:47] <nekohayo> htanks bob2
[06:47] <bob2> pepperpot: file a bug!
[06:47] <_maydayjay_> You should just have to restart firefox
[06:47] <arbi3> bob2 is apt-get update same as cilcking the refresh button in synaptic ?
[06:47] <cs378> ohhh
[06:47] <gpd> sysvconfig doesn't seem to work - do I need to set it to use runlevel 2 or something?
[06:47] <pepperpot> bob2, i don't know how
[06:47] <dabaR> ESKILO: no, its not there.
[06:47] <nicedreams> arbi3, yes
[06:47] <bob2> arbi3: I think so
[06:47] <auk> WebWiz: it's not safe to write to ntfs
[06:47] <bob2> pepperpot: launchpad.ubuntu.com
[06:47] <_maydayjay_> arbi3 - same thing....
[06:48] <nicedreams> so sup with the new backports not having anything?
[06:48] <WebWiz> auk: well either way, even if its just read... i want to be able to pull it up in nautilus without having to be root
[06:48] <pepperpot> bob2, thanks i'll check it out
[06:48] <WebWiz> i miss my mp3s :)
[06:48] <levander> If I have a system crash, and need to reload the operating system on my machine. Can I restore my system directly (and only) from a LVM snapshot?
[06:48] <nicedreams> no synergy, no xnview, no w32codecs
[06:48] <HrdwrBoB> nicedreams: that's hoary-extras
[06:48] <pepperpot> bob2, why is it .com?
[06:48] <HrdwrBoB> not backports
[06:48] <bob2> no repository should have w32codecs
[06:48] <nicedreams> HrdwrBoB, oh? where can I find that then
[06:49] <bob2> since no one on earth can distribute it
[06:49] <dabaR> bob2: well, then?
[06:49] <dabaR> I can distribute it, cant I?
[06:49] <bob2> pepperpot: ubuntu.org was owned before ubuntu existed
[06:49] <bob2> dabaR: no
[06:49] <regeya> no.
[06:49] <nicedreams> bob2, what's wrong with w32codecs?
[06:49] <dabaR> what do we do for wmvs?
[06:49] <dabaR> I have it installed I dont care...
[06:49] <regeya> wmv...I think some can be handled by ffmpeg...I think
[06:49] <dabaR> I mean...
[06:49] <bob2> nicedreams: do you have permissions from MS to distribute their DLLs? and Real? and Intel? and ...?
[06:49] <lamont> pepperpot: although I expect you could use launchpad.ubuntulinux.org if you like typing longer names...
[06:50] <dabaR> what do people do now, jkust simply ignore wmvs? anyhow, its only pr0n...
[06:50] <auk> /dev/hda1 /mnt/xp ntfs ro,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
[06:50] <nicedreams> bob2, just to view files? it sucks having to have windows just to play certian avi files
[06:50] <bob2> dabaR: you probably need it for some formats, but distributing it almost certainly violates their copyright
[06:50] <bob2> nicedreams: as above
[06:50] <pepperpot> lamont, heh thx
[06:50] <_maydayjay_> nicedreams - try ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat...in/w/w32codecs/
[06:50] <bob2> it's not like you can't download it easily, anyway
[06:50] <nicedreams> _maydayjay_, thx
[06:50] <bob2> but it will never be on ubuntu.com or any other reputable repository
[06:50] <regeya> MS Windows Media Video 7 (ffmpeg)
[06:50] <auk> webwiz, replace that but substitute the appropriate dirs, also look here...
[06:50] <bob2> unless somsone gets permission from all the copyright holders
[06:50] <auk> !mountntfs
[06:50] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, auk
[06:51] <auk> !mountwindows
[06:51] <ubotu> it has been said that mountwindows is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[06:51] <dabaR> aha
[06:51] <gpd> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SysvconfigHowTo <-- implies sysvconfig should work out of the box - but it doesn't seem to :(
[06:51] <nalioth> bob2: did you get my PM?
[06:52] <gigaclon> is there a way to save a connection to a server in Nautilus?
[06:52] <nicedreams> where can i find hoary-extras?
[06:52] <nicedreams> i need to backup my sources.lst before I format again. I had all of these before, but now I lost it
[06:53] <ZincX> anyone ?
[06:53] <dabaR> nicedreams: it seems it is gone, hoary-extras does.
[06:54] <cs378> how do i rm a folder that has files in it?
[06:54] <dabaR> ZincX: nope.
[06:54] <ZincX> :P
[06:54] <auk> !sources.list
[06:54] <ubotu> auk: I don't know, could you explain it?
[06:54] <auk> !sources
[06:54] <ubotu> I heard sources is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:54] <ZincX> can you tell me how i can install a .deb package ?
[06:54] <bob2> cs378: rm the files first
[06:54] <bob2> cs378: or, if youre very very sure, rm -r foo
[06:54] <cs378> auk, btw got the flash to work with firefox, thx
[06:54] <bob2> cs378: bear in mind it will be gone forever
[06:54] <cs378> bob2, ok thx
[06:54] <nalioth> ZincX: "sudo dpkg -i file.deb"
[06:54] <dabaR> !msg the bot
[06:54] <ubotu> msg the bot is probably please use /msg ubotu to play with the bot, the channel does not benefit much from your fun. Sorry.
[06:55] <ZincX> sudo aen ?
[06:55] <ESKILO> what's another good app for playing dvds since totem won't give me sound, and ogle crashes my drive?
[06:55] <ZincX> oiks. thanx
[06:55] <patrickj> ello......im baack
[06:55] <dabaR> hey patrickj
[06:55] <_maydayjay_> anyone tried out smartpm with ubuntu?
[06:55] <ricosuave17> how can i fix my resolution even tho gnome say the max is 1024 i know my card can give more
[06:55] <patrickj> dabaR: ello to you
[06:55] <WebWiz> /msg ubotu hello
[06:55] <r0tu> having issues finding info on the Ubuntu server install... Anyone know what firewall is running? If any... nmap is telling me I am as closed as Bush's mind
[06:56] <patrickj> I was wondering, how Can I obtain the updated version of Firefox(1.06)
[06:56] <dabaR> ricosuave17: tried /msg ubotu resolution?
[06:56] <cs378> nalioth: sudo dpkg -i file.deb - is to install deb files right?
[06:56] <r0tu> www.mozzila.org
[06:56] <bob2> r0tu: ubuntu sets up no iptables rules by default
[06:56] <bob2> r0tu: which is fine, since it also runs no network services by default
[06:56] <patrickj> r0tu: yes but I need to install into system base instead of manual installing
[06:56] <auk> dabaR: i am not playing, the info is for someoen else
[06:56] <auk> *someone
[06:57] <ESKILO> ricosuave17 you can set your resolution in your xorg.conf
[06:57] <nalioth> cs378: yes to install
[06:57] <La_PaRCa> um... how can I remove part of a file
[06:57] <tritium> how is your hardware, nalioth?
[06:57] <r0tu> ok... so basically I have to learn how to setup the route table and start the services?
[06:57] <bob2> La_PaRCa: what are you trying to do?
[06:57] <bob2> r0tu: no
[06:57] <ESKILO> La_PaRCa a _part_ of a file?
[06:57] <_maydayjay_> patrickj -- http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51931&page=3&pp=10&highlight=firefox
[06:57] <bob2> r0tu: the routing table is fine, and if you want services, just install them
[06:57] <La_PaRCa> bob2, I need to remove a part of an avi file
[06:57] <bob2> they'll run by default
[06:57] <La_PaRCa> thats in the middle
[06:58] <arbi2> _maydayjay_, i updated my firfox
[06:58] <ricosuave17> im not sure i wanna mess with my resoltuion anymore
[06:58] <r0tu> bob2, sounds simple enough, thanks man
[06:59] <arbi2> i just added that baclport and it worked beautifully
[06:59] <arbi2> but i dont quite understand , what is backport ? we have so many repositories ?? what is the speciality of backport ?
[07:00] <_maydayjay_> arbi2 - backports are patches that are from newer versions (breezy) to the hoary packages....
[07:00] <bob2> backporting is compiling a newer piece of software on an older system
[07:00] <patrickj> n/m I can do it through synaptic aparently :p
[07:00] <bob2> in thise case, breezy packages on hoary
[07:00] <levander> people are still having trouble with backports? I thought people stopped using that?
[07:01] <nalioth> levander: there are always new people
[07:01] <La_PaRCa> so, any way I can split a file in two?
[07:01] <r0tu> nalioth, tell me about it ;)
[07:01] <nicedreams> arbi2, from what I gather backports have started with debian and it's like just following tradition. I think it started from a few people adding software that regular debian repositories didn't have
[07:01] <JDahl> La_PaRCa, yes, use split
[07:01] <nalioth> Seveas: good morning
[07:01] <_maydayjay_> --- /msg ubotu backports
[07:01] <nicedreams> arbi2, I could be wrong, but after a few years of using them that's what it seems like
[07:01] <levander> nalioth: no, but there were problems with some of the packages in there, their web server kept going down. They've straightened those problems out?
[07:01] <La_PaRCa> JDahl, how do I... unsplit?
[07:01] <nalioth> levander: i'm not familiar with those problems of late
[07:02] <arbi2> ok ... but
[07:02] <arbi2> the default repositories that came insgtalles with my ubuntu
[07:02] <arbi2> what are they then ? are they of no use ?
[07:02] <Harold> Evening, all.
[07:02] <nalioth> Harold: howdy
[07:02] <nicedreams> can someone list what repositories are the regular now? like the official and the backports and aren't there a few more?
[07:03] <_maydayjay_> arbi2 - think of the originals as master packages, and the backports as updates and addons....
[07:03] <JDahl> La_PaRCa, you concatenate the files using cat
[07:03] <dabaR> arbi2: tehre is a components page on ubuntu.com, cant find it tho...
[07:03] <dabaR> hey Harold
[07:03] <Harold> Anyone: I've just installed Audacity; when I plug my headphones in, the sound only comes out of my PowerBooks's speakers. Anyone know what's going on?
[07:03] <Harold> nalioth, dabaR : Hello
[07:03] <The_Vox> uhm...when did we get an official backports project?
[07:04] <dabaR> arbi2: here": http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components
[07:04] <La_PaRCa> JDahl, what if I wanted to extract just a piece of the file?
[07:04] <JDahl> La_PaRCa, i.e., cat file1 file2 > concatfile
[07:04] <_maydayjay_> The_Vox - today or yesterday...dep on tz...
[07:04] <dabaR> arbi2: read that, informational...
[07:04] <arbi2> let me take a loko dabaR
[07:04] <arbi2> thanks dabaR
[07:04] <JDahl> La_PaRCa, I dont think you can
[07:04] <dabaR> yup.
[07:05] <dabaR> Harold: now, that is weird.
[07:05] <La_PaRCa> JDahl, ok, thanks
[07:05] <The_Vox> _maydayjay_: well, I hope the are as careful as the unofficial backports people...I'm updating a whole bunch of stuff right now lol!
[07:05] <Harold> dabaR, Yes
[07:05] <fr500> La_PaRCa, you can do searches based on lines easily
[07:05] <fr500> but whole lines
[07:05] <arbi2> also is there an order in which you must add these repositories ?
[07:06] <The_Vox> arbi2: the order doesn't matter
[07:06] <nicedreams> arbi2, no
[07:06] <arbi2> ok ....
[07:06] <_maydayjay_> The_Vox - you'll probably find some packages no longer exist due to copyright... may have to include marrilat for some stuff...
[07:06] <dabaR> Harold: checked with other headphones?
[07:06] <Harold> dabaR, Yes
[07:06] <dabaR> Harold: hm...works on X?
[07:06] <nicedreams> arbi2, there is a way to tell the sources.lst which updates to take from which repositorites
[07:06] <arbi2> how is that ?
[07:07] <arbi2> using the GUI or command line ?
[07:07] <BlazingSteakSauc> i need help finding some deb files i looked on archive.ubuntu.com and they are not there
[07:07] <Harold> dabaR, It's strange...I'm installing xmms right now to see if it's the same with other apps.
[07:07] <dabaR> arbi2: both
[07:07] <dabaR> Harold: I mean, works on OS X?
[07:07] <nicedreams> arbi2, some other file you have to use...i forgot what it is
[07:07] <_maydayjay_> Blazing - man apt-cache
[07:07] <Harold> dabaR, I don't know...I only had OS X on this old PowerBook for a day or so.
[07:07] <nicedreams> man apt and I think it says it
[07:08] <nicedreams> or man sources.lst
[07:08] <arbi2> test
[07:08] <arbi2> test
[07:08] <arbi2> am i in ?
[07:08] <_maydayjay_> arbi2 - yep
[07:08] <BlazingSteakSauc> i need to download them
[07:08] <The_Vox> _maydayjay_: marrilat??
[07:08] <BlazingSteakSauc> my ubuntu does not have internet right now
[07:08] <arbi2> thanks _maydayjay_
[07:08] <JDahl> La_PaRCa, there is an online intro to common GNU tools here: http://labor-liber.org/presentations/gnu-linux/introduction/ Quickly flipping through it might be a good time-investment (and possibly interesting also)
[07:09] <arbi2> apt-get update is same as clicking the reload button on the synaptic?
[07:09] <_maydayjay_> The Vox - try deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat...in/w/w32codecs/
[07:09] <La_PaRCa> JDahl, thanks
[07:09] <BlazingSteakSauc> i need help finding some deb files i looked on archive.ubuntu.com and they are not there
[07:09] <dabaR> do you see this in some weird way, like color or something?
[07:10] <Harold> dabaR, This is certainly an oddity; it's the same with xmms
[07:10] <dabaR> arbi2: yes, it is,.
[07:10] <The_Vox> _maydayjay_: thanks :)
[07:10] <dabaR> atitude update as well.
[07:10] <camino_teQuila> haloo
[07:10] <lucaz__> hello..
[07:10] <nicedreams> what repository is synergy in now?
[07:10] <reka> BlazingSteakSauc: such as...
[07:10] <camino_teQuila> I've interested with ubuntu
[07:11] <lucaz__> I got the gnome 2.8, and my gnome-panel got some bugs. Can I update only this app?
[07:11] <thechitowncubs> Where can I find the default trash icon for the default ubuntu icon set?
[07:11] <arbi2> thanks dabaR ... i am now slowly getting the hand of ubuntu
[07:11] <camino_teQuila> could u paint some informations ?
[07:11] <BlazingSteakSauc> mosty libs
[07:11] <BlazingSteakSauc> needed for some programs i got that require them
[07:11] <BlazingSteakSauc> i got the list of em here
[07:12] <dabaR> camino_teQuila: espanol?
[07:12] <nicedreams> what's a linux version of Irfanview?
[07:12] <thechitowncubs> nicedreams: gthumb
[07:12] <_maydayjay_> The Vox - sorry unchopped deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[07:13] <dabaR> _maydayjay_: do you know what you are recommending? why not testing?
[07:13] <dabaR> or stable?
[07:13] <_maydayjay_> dabaR - sorry living on the edge...
[07:13] <nicedreams> thechitowncubs, thx
[07:13] <The_Vox> _maydayjay_: thanks :)
[07:13] <dabaR> _maydayjay_: Im not sure either.
[07:13] <BlazingSteakSauc> were can i find more libs for ubuntu in .deb
[07:13] <_maydayjay_> The Vox - dabaR is right...
[07:14] <dabaR> The_Vox: thank him after you make sure he doesnt break your system...ha
[07:14] <dabaR> _maydayjay_: I am not sure I am.
[07:14] <reka> nicedreams: heaps of image viewers out there: gqview, pornview to name a couple...
[07:14] <puff> Evening.
[07:15] <arbi2> is breezeer still an ustable version ?
[07:15] <puff> I have this xp box, I'm trying to install ubuntu on it. Step one, download the ISO for the install. Step two, create a CD with the ISO.
[07:15] <The_Vox> dabaR: as long as it doesn't break emacs, I won't really suffer much ;)
[07:15] <bob2> arbi2: yes, until ovtober
[07:15] <arbi2> i man for home use not enterprise use
[07:15] <dabaR> _maydayjay_: just have him get the source, and compile, I think.
[07:15] <The_Vox> dabaR: and if it has an emacs update, I most definetely won't install it lol!
[07:15] <puff> Regarding Step Two... all I have is this XP box, so I used RecordNow, which appears to come pre-installed.
[07:15] <dabaR> there are no deps, not sure.
[07:15] <nicedreams> gqview is the one i was looking for i think
[07:15] <Madpilot> !iso
[07:15] <ubotu> Madpilot: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[07:15] <_maydayjay_> The Vox - testing is probably the better choice...
[07:15] <puff> I'm not certain this created a bootable Cd, or how I'd check.
[07:15] <dabaR> The_Vox: sorry about the third person speech:)
[07:15] <dabaR> C:)
[07:16] <The_Vox> dabaR: np :)
[07:16] <BlazingSteakSauc> i need help finding some lib( ) .deb files i looked on archive.ubuntu.com and they are not there
[07:16] <The_Vox> _maydayjay_: that's what I'm thinking too :) thanks :)
[07:16] <dabaR> BlazingSteakSauc: which ones?
[07:16] <bob2> BlazingSteakSauc: e.g.?
[07:16] <La_PaRCa> Emacs infidels!
[07:16] <Madpilot> puff: see this URL: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BurningIsoHowto
[07:16] <BlazingSteakSauc> libc6 2.3.2.4-1.deb
[07:16] <arbi2> bob2... so if i have to install the beta version of mysql 5.0 so i have to download and compile from source or will i get ubuntu packages ?
[07:16] <The_Vox> La_PaRCa: emacs r00lz! :P
[07:17] <bob2> BlazingSteakSauc: dude, you don't need that
[07:17] <_maydayjay_> Most forum examples are using testing....I would only enable the marrilat source when you need a particular package and then disable it afterwards...
[07:17] <bob2> BlazingSteakSauc: whatever you're trying to install is broken
[07:17] <dabaR> bob2: what would you do, would you install one of the debs from marillat on ubuntu for w32codecs, or complie from source?
[07:17] <reka> BlazingSteakSauc: post the whole error and the command you used to the pastebin in the topic
[07:17] <bob2> arbi2: I'd be pretty surprised if mysql 5.0 is in breezy
[07:17] <BlazingSteakSauc> yeah i do
[07:17] <bob2> no, you don't
[07:17] <BlazingSteakSauc> it gave the message i need em
[07:17] <bob2> you're trying to install a Debian package
[07:17] <bob2> which won't work
[07:18] <bob2> dabaR: there's nothing to compile, it's just a bunch of dlls. I'd probably just use the marillat package, for simplicity.
[07:18] <arbi2> bob2 , if ihave to pull packages from breezy.. do i have to add it to my repository ?
[07:18] <BlazingSteakSauc> don't tell me that it didn't i was sitting here and looked right at it
[07:18] <dabaR> bob2: any version? I think they actually only have a stable version, right?
[07:18] <bob2> arbi2: why do you think mysql 5.0 is in breezy?
[07:18] <bob2> dabaR: I doubt it differs
[07:18] <dabaR> bob2: by version, I m,ean stabel unstable, testeing...
[07:19] <bob2> dabaR: don't use apt for it, just get the .deb manually
[07:19] <dabaR> ok. cool, thanks, there you go guys^^
[07:19] <arbi2> bob2, _if_ it is in breezy
[07:19] <bob2> BlazingSteakSauc: what are you trying to install?
[07:19] <arbi2> then.. how do i pull it from a breezy version ?
[07:19] <bob2> arbi2: I'd strongly strongly strongly recommend not getting the binary package from breezy
[07:19] <bob2> arbi2: if it is there, get the ubuntu source package and compile it to produce your own packages
[07:20] <BlazingSteakSauc> some quite a few things and the lib files are shown as they are neede for them all
[07:20] <bob2> BlazingSteakSauc: yes, those packages are meant for Debian, not Ubuntu
[07:20] <dabaR> w00t there is eggs in my fridge...feast...:(
[07:20] <bob2> they won't work on ubuntu
[07:20] <bob2> BlazingSteakSauc: what are you trying to install, i particular?
[07:20] <arbi2> bob2.. but how do i pull stuff from breezy ?
[07:20] <BlazingSteakSauc> it came from a ubuntu site
[07:21] <BlazingSteakSauc> i don't have the files on my they were transfered over to the ubuntu os
[07:21] <bob2> BlazingSteakSauc: *where*?
[07:21] <dabaR> arbi2: either go to archive.ubuntu.com and find it, or add breezy to sources.list
[07:21] <bob2> BlazingSteakSauc: well, they won't work on your system, sorry
[07:21] <BlazingSteakSauc> this is xp being used right now
[07:21] <bob2> BlazingSteakSauc: what software is it that you want?
[07:21] <dabaR> BlazingSteakSauc: you are missing an e.
[07:21] <bob2> arbi2: add a breezy deb-src (NOT deb) line to /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:21] <dabaR> :p
[07:22] <BlazingSteakSauc> i knwo im missing the e it cut it off for somereason when i selected a name
[07:22] <dabaR> too long.
[07:23] <dabaR> choose something cooler and shorter, like, for example, dabaR, hehe, jj.
[07:23] <BlazingSteakSauc> this server must have a low character limit
[07:23] <HrdwrBoB> no.
[07:23] <HrdwrBoB> it has a sensible character limit.
[07:23] <BlazingSteakSauc> on the other server i use it can do one 3 times the length of mine
[07:24] <dabaR> wow!
[07:24] <dabaR> which one, I gotta go there...
[07:24] <dabaR> ;)
[07:24] <bloggernauta> uou
[07:24] <BlazingSteakSauc> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ this it were i got the files from
[07:24] <_maydayjay_> :-)
[07:24] <bloggernauta> i'm learning how to use my new os ubuntu
[07:24] <bloggernauta> and find this program x-chat
[07:25] <HrdwrBoB> BlazingSteakSauc: the smaller the nick the better.
[07:25] <bob2> BlazingSteakSauc: you need to actually tell us what you're trying to do
[07:25] <bloggernauta> cool
[07:25] <dabaR> BlazingSteakSauc: why dont you tell us what you are installing?
[07:25] <ezekiel1981> can linux run my windows mcafee?
[07:25] <bob2> what software do you want?
[07:25] <dabaR> ezekiel1981: no, you dont need it neither,.
[07:25] <BlazingSteakSauc> one of the files i downloaded was pacman from that site
[07:25] <dabaR> bloggernauta: and do you need help with anything? cause you didnt ask for anything, I am wondering...
[07:25] <_maydayjay_> ezekiel1981 - google clamav ...
[07:26] <dabaR> _maydayjay_: he dont need it...
[07:26] <dabaR> he needs to learn how to install programs thru apt.
[07:26] <_maydayjay_> for the ultra paranoid :-)
[07:26] <BlazingSteakSauc> i got no internet on the ubuntu os yet so can't restart and use it in here
[07:26] <dabaR> bob2: is apt authentication active in hoary, and if not, is it going to be in breezy?
[07:26] <dabaR> _maydayjay_: lol
[07:27] <dabaR> BlazingSteakSauc: what are you using to get onlien? AOL? Wireless?
[07:27] <dabaR> ezekiel1981: do you know how to install programs?
[07:27] <BlazingSteakSauc> i got aol but can't switch right now
[07:27] <BlazingSteakSauc> if i can get online with it that the most important thing
[07:27] <dabaR> ya, ok, cool, I was just wondering why you cant get internet on ubuntu.
[07:28] <ezekiel1981> not exactly
[07:28] <Madpilot> !synaptic
[07:28] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[07:28] <ZincX> is there a good p2p software i can use ?
[07:29] <Madpilot> ezekiel1981: start with the URL that ubotu just posted for info on installing stuff
[07:29] <_maydayjay_> ZincX, amule, limewire, gnutella
[07:29] <BlazingSteakSauc> i wonder if my card for the modem is seen by the os
[07:29] <bob2> BlazingSteakSauc: then you should look at apt-zip
[07:29] <bob2> the packages you downloaded will not work, sorry
[07:29] <bob2> dabaR: yes, it is
[07:29] <BlazingSteakSauc> tats the only thing in pppconfig thats having an error
[07:29] <dabaR> thanks.
[07:29] <patrickj> how can i install all the dependencies for bluefish?
[07:29] <BlazingSteakSauc> then if not there then were are ubuntu files at
[07:29] <dabaR> but built in, I guess. Oh, ya, thats the md5sums we get from us.?
[07:30] <bob2> patrickj: sudo apt-get install bluefish
[07:30] <ZincX> _mage_work, which ones the best ?
[07:30] <ZincX> _maydayjay_,
[07:30] <patrickj> bob2: will it get all the dependencies too?
[07:30] <bob2> dabaR: apt had md5sum checks (to make sure files weren't corrupted during download) for a long time
[07:30] <bob2> patrickj: of course
[07:30] <dabaR> patrickj: you had bluefish earlier?
[07:30] <bob2> patrickj: the whole point of apt is that it gets dependencies automatically
[07:30] <patrickj> dabaR: has to reinstall ubuntu :/
[07:31] <bob2> dabaR: the secure stuff is making sure that the server you think you're talking to is really run by ubuntu
[07:31] <_maydayjay_> ZincX - all depends on what kind of files you need... and what your personal preference is....
[07:31] <dabaR> patrickj: sorry to hear that, how come? upgraded to breezy?
[07:31] <patrickj> breezy is out?
[07:31] <bob2> patrickj: no
[07:31] <_maydayjay_> patrickj - no
[07:31] <ZincX> _maydayjay_, i want to download some songs
[07:31] <dabaR> ya, I know I read some about it. so its in the background, and all built into the OS?
[07:31] <dabaR> bob2: ^
[07:31] <BlazingSteakSauc> were is a site to get ubuntu files if archive.ubuntu ain't it bob2
[07:31] <patrickj> when its expected release?
[07:31] <patrickj> and is anyone in here using breezy?
[07:31] <pepsi> breezy is sexy, if you like fixing your broken system
[07:31] <_maydayjay_> ZincX - gnutella would be a good choice...
[07:32] <bob2> BlazingSteakSauc: dude, archive.ubuntu.com has packages for all 3 versions of ubuntu
[07:32] <bob2> BlazingSteakSauc: you got the wrong ones
[07:32] <pepsi> patrickj, whats up?
[07:32] <bob2> BlazingSteakSauc: you can use apt-zip to automate it
[07:32] <dabaR> patrickj: um, every six months, so 4.10, 5.04, 5.10..
[07:32] <dabaR> patrickj: how come you had to reinstall?
[07:32] <bob2> dabaR: well, "built into the OS" is a pretty loose concept in the linux world, but it is part of apt, yes
[07:33] <gpd> failed to initialize HAL... grr
[07:33] <dabaR> bob2: I mean, ubuntu already has the keys for the servers built into apt. So I never had to think about it, that is what I mean by built in.
[07:33] <bob2> dabaR: it should do, yeah
[07:34] <patrickj> dabaR: I installed gentoo but my sound wouldnt work in it so I came back here :/
[07:34] <lucaz__> where can i check the list of woarty's package?
[07:34] <dabaR> patrickj: why gentoo, anyhow, ymmv...cool, well, I am glad to seeyou back, fellow-current openbox user...haha.
[07:35] <_maydayjay_> lucaz - aptitude ... synaptic .. apt-cache
[07:35] <dabaR> lucaz__: I guess archive.ubuntu.com do you have warty installed?
[07:35] <bob2> lucaz__: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rweir/ubuntu_packages_powerpc.txt
[07:35] <patrickj> dabaR: well currently im using metacity for some various reason
[07:35] <lucaz__> dabaR, yes
[07:35] <bob2> lucaz__: but it's not a very useful list, 16 000 items long
[07:36] <bob2> also, bear in mind warty is old
[07:36] <dabaR> lucaz__: well, yes, synaptic will list all packages that you have enabled...and has a search function...
[07:36] <patrickj> brb, gotta log out into gdm
[07:37] <dabaR> ok, cool that authentication is built in, I feel safer now;)
[07:38] <dabaR> hey, I actually dont use ubuntu, my bad...
[07:39] <lucaz__> dabaR, in my case, Im looking for the gnome-panel2.8.3, and I found the 2.10.1 in the warty and hoary lists, where can I found the 2.8.3?
[07:41] <j2dope> howdy. for some reason when my wireless connection gets disconnected, i can't start it up again. any help?
[07:41] <j2dope> is there a command to force it to restart the connect?
[07:42] <lucaz__> j2dope, how your ifconfig output looks like?
[07:42] <sreekanth> hi all
[07:42] <j2dope> lucaz__, u want me to copy and paste it?
[07:42] <lucaz__> put on a msg :)
[07:43] <j2dope> http://pastebin.com/322076
[07:43] <sreekanth> i am not able to get Video in totem
[07:44] <j2dope> thats from my eth1, which is my wireless connection
[07:44] <jsgotangco> sreekanth, hi you might be missing the appropriate codecs needed to view your video
[07:44] <j2dope> but yeah.. if for whatever reason i lose signal, i cannot make it recconect
[07:44] <dabaR> lucaz__: well, not sure...
[07:44] <bob2> ray_: please don't dcc chat people
[07:44] <dabaR> or even, no idea.
[07:45] <j2dope> im just after a command i guess, that when my wifi connection loses signal, i can force it to restart
[07:45] <wizo> sup all
[07:45] <_maydayjay_> Anyone know if zd1210 wifi driver is included in 2.6.11?
[07:45] <dabaR> yo wizo
[07:45] <j2dope> SYSTEM>>ADMIN>>NETWORKING, doesn't work when i go 'deactivate', then 'activate'
[07:45] <wizo> dabaR: im on the verge of doing something disastrous
[07:45] <j2dope> i have to reboot my computer completely
[07:45] <sreekanth> jsgotangco, where can i get ubuntu add ons with out using apt ?
[07:46] <dabaR> like?
[07:46] <wizo> installing the nvidia driver
[07:46] <patrickj> back
[07:46] <dabaR> kill an ant is disastrous for him...
[07:46] <patrickj> hey I need some help with something
[07:46] <wizo> haha
[07:46] <dabaR> no way.
[07:46] <wizo> the last 2 times i did it, i had to reinstall ubuntu
[07:46] <patrickj> im installing an icon for the panel, instead of the standard gnome Icon, its an ubuntu icon, and I was wondering, just how do I access gconf?
[07:47] <dabaR> wizo: he didnt think it weas funny,. whats so disastrous about nvidia drivers?
[07:47] <patrickj> heres the icon if anyone wants it btw:http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=22413
[07:47] <wizo> XORG cant find my laptop screen
[07:47] <reka> patrickj: apps > sys tools > config editor
[07:47] <wizo> the last 2 times i did it, i had to download hoary again, isntall everything -phew-
[07:48] <sreekanth> jsgotangco, where can i get ubuntu add ons with out using apt ?
[07:48] <_maydayjay_> wizo can't you manually use one of the generic LCD selections?
[07:48] <BlazingSteakSauc> were do i go fro ubuntu downloads
[07:48] <wizo> _maydayjay_: wad do u mean?
[07:49] <dabaR> wad?
[07:49] <dabaR> a wad...
[07:49] <dabaR> :-/...
[07:49] <_maydayjay_> When I install I just choose LCD that can do 1024x768 ... it doesn't detect mine either...
[07:49] <Madpilot> patrickj: there are instructions on that page w/ the Ubuntu logo
[07:49] <dabaR> sreekanth: wtf? like, manually downlaod them? archive.ubuntu.com
[07:49] <wizo> _maydayjay_: im running a laptop
[07:49] <concept10> WHat is the best place the host free photos?
[07:50] <patrickj> I know but lol im an idiot
[07:50] <_maydayjay_> wizo - so am I
[07:50] <dtorg21> I Installed the latest Java from sun, but it wont work with firefox.... Help please
[07:50] <wizo> _maydayjay_: ooo
[07:50] <BlazingSteakSauc> ripway.com
[07:50] <wizo> _maydayjay_: so does yurs work now after installing the nvidia driver?
[07:50] <Madpilot> concept10: imageshack.us
[07:51] <dabaR> localhost, in fact.
[07:51] <concept10> Madpilot, thanks
[07:51] <BlazingSteakSauc> concept10 image shaq sucks use ripway.com you get 30megs of free organized space more if you pay
[07:51] <dabaR> localhost+ez-ipupdate+a dyndns account is what I have here
[07:51] <_maydayjay_> wizo - I am not using an nVidia chipset, but yes mine worked after choosing the right display..
[07:52] <ZincX> i forgot the .deb installin command again
[07:52] <wizo> _maydayjay_: hwo do u do it?
[07:52] <dabaR> concept10: consider that
[07:52] <BlazingSteakSauc> were do i go for ubuntu downloads
[07:52] <wizo> dabaR: i have a dyndns account too ^^
[07:52] <wizo> itisthevery.endofinternet.org <= hehee thats mine
[07:52] <dabaR> I dont like their domains...selfip.org:/
[07:53] <BlazingSteakSauc> were do i go for ubuntu downloads
[07:53] <patrickj> where in the gconf is the part that control the gnome main manu logo, I know it says on that screen, but its not in there :S
[07:53] <ZincX> wizo, u know how i can install .deb
[07:53] <reka> BlazingSteakSauc: perhaps refining your question would help...
[07:53] <Madpilot> BlazingSteakSauc: Synaptic
[07:53] <wizo> ZincX: errrr sudo dpkg ?
[07:54] <ZincX> ah.. ok
[07:54] <BlazingSteakSauc> reka obviously i gpt ubuntu
[07:54] <ZincX> i keep forgettin those letters
[07:54] <ZincX> eheh
[07:54] <_maydayjay_> wizo - what kind of laptop do you have?
[07:54] <wizo> heh
[07:54] <reka> BlazingSteakSauc: obviously
[07:54] <wizo> _maydayjay_: toshiba satellite 3000
[07:54] <BlazingSteakSauc> i got no internet on it right now synaptic don't do any good
[07:54] <reka> BlazingSteakSauc: then you'll have to install stuff manually ...
[07:54] <wizo> BlazingSteakSauc: u got no net and u want to download? lolx
[07:55] <reka> BlazingSteakSauc: which is a pain in the ass, 'cos you'll get dependency problems for most things
[07:55] <BlazingSteakSauc> i got this one online don't it
[07:55] <dabaR> ZincX: why installing a deb??
[07:55] <wizo> heh i was wondering
[07:55] <dabaR> are you^
[07:55] <ZincX> gtk-gnutella
[07:56] <reka> BlazingSteakSauc: you got which one online?
[07:56] <_maydayjay_> wizo 3000-???
[07:56] <ZincX> installing
[07:56] <ZincX> ehehe
[07:56] <BlazingSteakSauc> if i can get the downloads i can take it from there
[07:56] <dabaR> sudo aptitude install gtk-gnutella
[07:56] <BlazingSteakSauc> xp part
[07:56] <BlazingSteakSauc> i got a dualboot
[07:56] <wizo> _maydayjay_: yeh satellite 3000 smth i have no idea
[07:56] <ZincX> really ?
[07:56] <BlazingSteakSauc> for now anyways
[07:57] <dabaR> ZincX: mmhmm
[07:57] <ZincX> aah.. it works
[07:57] <patrickj> anyone know?
[07:57] <ZincX> apt-get install also workin
[07:57] <BlazingSteakSauc> crap my modem is not supported by the maker for linux
[07:57] <_maydayjay_> are there a few digits after the 3000 on the plate on the bottom?
[07:57] <dabaR> ZincX: use aptitude if you know the name of the package, use synaptic in System>Admin>Synaptic when you are searching for wsomething and have a gui available.
[07:57] <wizo> hang on
[07:58] <ZincX> hmm.. k
[07:58] <patrickj> guess not...
[07:58] <dabaR> or use the apt-get, aptitude is a prettier thing to type,
[07:58] <wizo> _maydayjay_: at the bottom it juz says satellite 3000
[07:58] <wizo> there is a part number
[07:58] <wizo> but i doubt it would do any good
[07:59] <dabaR> patrickj: I sure dont, why do you always skin everything, its a nice foot.
[07:59] <ZincX> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "gtk-gnutella"
[07:59] <ZincX> No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
[07:59] <ZincX> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[07:59] <ZincX> dabaR, thats wat is says
[07:59] <_maydayjay_> wizo - what is the part #?
[07:59] <dabaR> ZincX: well, saying it did not find it would suffice.
[07:59] <Madpilot> gah... the Arcive Manager needs an "extract into current directory" button...
[07:59] <patrickj> dabaR: maybe I wanna have the ubuntu logo on my taskbar, or whatever its called :D
[07:59] <dabaR> ZincX: /join #flood
[08:00] <dabaR> panel
[08:00] <ZincX> and ?
[08:00] <wizo> _maydayjay_: PS300L-03YKL
[08:01] <BlazingSteakSauc> you guys are so helpfull i would rather get an enima
[08:01] <SDFH_Linux> good to see gaim 1.4 working in ubuntu but not yet in debian unstable
[08:01] <Darkest> Can someone help me? Os - Ubuntu 5.0.4. I need a package libatk. Synaptic says that ver. libatk1.0-0_1.9.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb is the lastest. But on http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/atk1.0/ there is a newer version libatk1.0-0_1.10.1-2_i386.deb. Why Synaptic don't want to see this version, and don't want to download it?
[08:02] <lucaz__> how can i get a specific version of a pkg?
[08:02] <The_Vox> Darkest: did you update the repo before checking?
[08:02] <dabaR> Darkest: why you want this version...
[08:02] <Darkest> The_Vox, yes
[08:03] <The_Vox> Darkest: then I have no clue
[08:03] <patrickj> where can I get some good backgrounds?
[08:03] <jasoncohen> Darkest, the latter package is from breez
[08:03] <jasoncohen> *breezy
[08:03] <dabaR> patrickj: google image search
[08:03] <citrus> whats the best way of going about printing to a printer on a different windows machine on my network in ubuntu
[08:03] <wizo> hey _maydayjay_: when after i rebooted after installing the driver, it then shows me the normal startup stuff like checking filesystem all that and then i get a black screen, as in, its not even turned on =/
[08:04] <jasoncohen> libatk1.0 is version 1.9.1-0ubuntu1 in hoary. there's no reason to have the newer version just to do so
[08:04] <S|AY3R> can someone help plz...a friend is havin trouble w/ xchat....cant connect to efnet...ident issues
[08:04] <jasoncohen> your system is fine
[08:04] <dabaR> S|AY3R: tell your friend not to get banned.
[08:04] <S|AY3R> hes not banned
[08:05] <dabaR> nice.]
[08:05] <S|AY3R> not getting ident response
[08:05] <patrickj> dabaR: lol
[08:05] <patrickj> brb
[08:05] <S|AY3R> hmm
[08:06] <dabaR> S|AY3R: not sure.
[08:06] <patrickj> when I startup my computer, firestarted auto goes, but it gives me an error: you do not have privelages to run firestarter, how can I fix this?
[08:06] <arbir> finally i got my name back
[08:06] <S|AY3R> k
[08:06] <arbir> it ws boring being arbi1, arbi2 and so on
[08:07] <dabaR> patrickj: how do you auto start it?
[08:07] <dabaR> arbir: :)
[08:07] <arbir> :-) @ dabaR
[08:07] <patrickj> it just goes auto once you install it :?
[08:08] <dabaR> patrickj: are you a sudoer? you must be...
[08:08] <Computer__Guru> Okay, I need help. I want *ANYBODY* on my local network to be able to browse my smb shared files WITHOUT a user/pass.. WTF is wrong with samba
[08:08] <dabaR> GO check out your session in System>Prefs|Admin
[08:08] <dabaR> for startup progs, and tell me.
[08:09] <Computer__Guru> anyone? before i pull my friggen hair out
[08:09] <dabaR> give it a sec
[08:09] <dabaR> hi, guru.
[08:10] <Computer__Guru> hi
[08:10] <Computer__Guru> lucaz__: i'll dump it in a pastebin
[08:10] <lucaz__> ok
[08:11] <arbir> dabaR: if i have 3 or 4 repositories.. and if i want to update a package .. how do choose from which repository the upate should come from ?
[08:12] <b|ackwo|f> do you guys know if this linux distro works good on a dell dimension 3000 decently ?
[08:12] <Morti> Computer__Guru: security = share
[08:12] <Morti> I think.
[08:12] <cyphase> would there happen to be a good utility for extracting a sound byte from an avi file?
[08:12] <dabaR> arbir: why would you do taht? just keep backports out of there nless you need them.
[08:12] <Computer__Guru> lucaz__: http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/787
[08:13] <dabaR> b|ackwo|f: wiki.ubuntu.com-->hardware support
[08:13] <Computer__Guru> think that will do it?
[08:13] <arbir> i just put in backports as i had to update my firefox @ dabaR
[08:13] <dabaR> arbir: now remove them.
[08:13] <dabaR> and update
[08:13] <arbir> ok....
[08:14] <arbir> i have also the community repository....enabled...
[08:14] <arbir> so from where would the updates come @ dabaR
[08:14] <Computer__Guru> brb
[08:14] <Morti> Computer__Guru: public = yes under the [MEDIA] bit.
[08:14] <IceDC571> do i really need no firewall for ubuntu?
[08:14] <miernik> I want to use hoary with some packaes from breezy and debian sid and experimental, so according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PinningHowto I've put APT::Default-Release "hoary"; in my /etc/apt/apt.conf But this doesn't work, aptitude still want's to upgrade for example binutils to 2.16.1-2ubuntu2 which is from breezy, and a bunch of other packages
[08:14] <b|ackwo|f> k
[08:14] <dabaR> arbir: did you read the components page ?
[08:14] <Morti> Computer__Guru: And change ;security = user to security = share.
[08:14] <arbir> yeah... i did....
[08:14] <lucaz__> try security = shared
[08:14] <arbir> dabaR: i think then i am missing something
[08:14] <arbir> or i amj ust sleepy :-)
[08:15] <dabaR> arbir: well, each package comes from a specific repo.
[08:15] <lucaz__> Computer__Guru, try security = shared
[08:15] <dabaR> arbir: they dont appear in two repos, only in one. However backports has newer versions, so duplicates happen there.
[08:15] <arbir> dabaR: can say for example... vi come from both comminuty and main ?
[08:15] <reka> IceDC571: from what's been said in here, no ... the biggest risk is the person sitting in front of the computer. :)
[08:15] <_maydayjay_> mizo - all I can find is some articles mentioning to change the "nvidia" entry to "nv" in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:15] <Morti> lucaz__: "share", not "shared".
[08:15] <dabaR> wtf community? first voice...
[08:15] <arbir> ok i am taking out backports now! @ dabaR
[08:16] <Computer__Guru> Morti, lucaz__ : it worked :) now, how do I belong to a workgroup that has spaces int he name?
[08:16] <wizo> _maydayjay_: hmm same
[08:16] <IceDC571> reka: well do you think hackers target unix users more often than windows?
[08:16] <Computer__Guru> the workgroup name is IN HELL WE BURN... i tried %20 as the space, but no go
[08:16] <dabaR> arbir: what is this community repo you are saying?
[08:17] <HrdwrBoB> Computer__Guru: try no spaces.
[08:17] <Computer__Guru> IN%20HELL%20WE%20BURN
[08:17] <reka> IceDC571: for the pure fact that there are more windows users, no.
[08:17] <Computer__Guru> hrmm
[08:17] <Morti> Computer__Guru: Take the spaces out. ;)
[08:17] <arbir> oh that is
[08:17] <Computer__Guru> hahah
[08:17] <arbir> deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[08:17] <Morti> Also, y'know, change the name of the workgroup 'cause that isn't nice.
[08:17] <Madpilot> use IN_HELL_WE_BURN or something?
[08:17] <arbir> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[08:18] <Morti> Just don't use it, use something nice.
[08:18] <Madpilot> underscores > spaces, supposedly
[08:18] <dabaR> arbir: that is universe. anyhow, check out in synaptic in some menu, there is a specify version, that is what means to specify from some repository, likely.
[08:18] <Morti> "bunnies" or something.
[08:18] <arbir> thereis also this deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-update universe
[08:18] <wizo> cya guys
[08:18] <IceDC571> wizo: bye :)
[08:18] <dabaR> zya
[08:18] <Computer__Guru> thank you guys worked perfectly
[08:18] <dabaR> nice
[08:18] <arbir> and how do i add breezy to my repository ?
[08:18] <dabaR> hehe
[08:18] <Computer__Guru> now i can go downstairs and watch this movie on a real tv :D
[08:18] <dabaR> dont, and you dont.
[08:19] <arbir> i need to get the MySql 5.0 beta
[08:19] <IceDC571> oh god, please dont ask for help after you install breezy.. lol
[08:19] <lucaz__> Computer__Guru, take a look in your win, how it shows the name of th workgroup
[08:19] <dabaR> the deb-src bob talked about?
[08:19] <arbir> i want the source and i will compile it myself
[08:19] <dabaR> arbir: how come you bneed that?
[08:19] <arbir> i have to eval mysql 5.0
[08:19] <IceDC571> wizo: what seems to be the problem?
[08:19] <arbir> need to check out some things in that....
[08:19] <dabaR> eval? like evaluate?
[08:19] <arbir> yeah evaluate
[08:19] <dabaR> kool, sounds kool.
[08:19] <wizo> IceDC571: after installing driver, cant find my laptop screen
[08:19] <IceDC571> wizo: what motherboard chipset do you have?
[08:20] <reka> wizo: what instructions are you following?
[08:20] <arbir> well.... i was just wondering
[08:20] <arbir> if i get the source
[08:20] <wizo> the previous 2 times i followed ubuntuguide.org
[08:20] <arbir> then compile it
[08:20] <wizo> IceDC571: i have no idea
[08:20] <lucaz__> Computer__Guru, it shows with the spaces?
[08:20] <dabaR> not sure. Something along the lines of deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main universe or whatever repo that program is ibn
[08:20] <arbir> and then ysing checkinstall.. make a debian package and install it.. will it get added to the apt database?
[08:20] <dtorg21> hey you guys wanna give ray_ his voice back, he helped me with Java and i wanna help him out
[08:21] <arbir> ok dabaR
[08:21] <reka> wizo: well, a possibly better guide is here: wizo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:21] <_maydayjay_> wizo - I would set /etc/inittab to runlevel 3 and experiment a bit ... using startx to launch x ...
[08:21] <arbir> is it good to install from the mysql website ?
[08:21] <arbir> compile from source ?
[08:21] <wizo> hmm
[08:21] <skalpel> can someone tell me how to enable the 'mailto' option in the right click menu in xchat?
[08:21] <dabaR> I am not sure, arbir if it will be in your apt, I dont think so, not sure what to be in apt means neither.
[08:21] <_maydayjay_> wizo - does it work without the nvidia drivers?
[08:22] <dtorg21> I cant get Wireless to work, anyone able to help me out i have a emachine 6809
[08:22] <wizo> im not without nvidia drivers
[08:22] <wizo> now*
[08:22] <wizo> thats wad my friend told me
[08:22] <arbir> i mean.. when i open my synaptic.. will mysql 5.0 beta show up ?
[08:22] <_maydayjay_> wizo - before?
[08:22] <wizo> before?
[08:22] <wizo> in windows i use nvidia
[08:22] <_maydayjay_> wizo - on a fresh install?
[08:22] <dabaR> arbir: I dont think so. maybe...you have to see.
[08:22] <arbir> http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ this is what i use to cleanly install and remove my packages
[08:23] <reka> skalpel: /j #xchat
[08:23] <_maydayjay_> nvidia drivers are a manual process after install has completed usually
[08:23] <wizo> in linux, intel i think, thats wad my friend told me after looking at some things i pasted to him
[08:23] <dtorg21> hey can some please help ray_ get his voice back please
[08:23] <arbir> i have loed this util always...... makes rpms, slack packages and debian packaages
[08:24] <arbir> k dabaR i need to sleep now.. got work tomorrow.. thanks for the help.. nice talking toyou.... see you here soon :-)
[08:24] <dabaR> arbir: I think that if you get the source from their website, yeah sure. But I think taht bob recommended getting the source thing in your apt because that way you can build all the dependencies through apt, and not manually.
[08:24] <dabaR> yes, see ya.
[08:24] <frank> anybody use gxmame here?
[08:24] <arbir> how do you leave a channel
[08:25] <arbir> i forgot the command :-)
[08:25] <dabaR> /part
[08:25] <dabaR> /part leave messagfe
[08:25] <eknowledg> ok...so back to my whole "x won't start" problem
[08:25] <arbir> thanks dabaR
[08:25] <dabaR> hehe
[08:25] <dabaR> welcome.
[08:26] <wizo> heh
[08:26] <eknowledg> woke up this morning...booted up....x won't start
[08:26] <eknowledg> anyone have any ideas?
[08:26] <reka> eknowledg: can you see anything fishy in '/var/log/Xorg.0.log'
[08:27] <eknowledg> sure can
[08:27] <eknowledg> says that the nvidia drivers can't be found
[08:27] <eknowledg> but when I lsmod | grep nvid*
[08:27] <wizo> oooo
[08:27] <eknowledg> it shows nvidia
[08:27] <wizo> does nvidia have issues with all linux?
[08:27] <eknowledg> no no
[08:27] <poningru> yeah kinda
[08:27] <poningru> err nm thats ati
[08:28] <eknowledg> it worked flawless up until this morning
[08:28] <poningru> I am thinking about
[08:28] <reka> hmm, i'm an ati user myself, but post your xorg.conf file to a pastebin
[08:28] <poningru> Nvidia plays nice
[08:28] <wizo> it does?
[08:28] <eknowledg> reka I can't...I'm in term right now using bitchx
[08:28] <wizo> i juz isntalled the drivers
[08:28] <wizo> gonan go restart my comp
[08:28] <wizo> and im pretty darn sure i wont beable to get back in
[08:28] <wizo> be able*
[08:28] <eknowledg> install bitchx first
[08:28] <patrickj> hey whats a good program to rip music?
[08:29] <reka> eknowledg: join #flood, and paste it there
[08:29] <psychonate> Is there a command I can use to see what kind of file a certain file is.
[08:29] <psychonate> patrickj, I prefer grip myself.
[08:29] <eknowledg> reka....how do you copy and paste in term?
[08:29] <patrickj> I have grip, but its reading my damm coldplay cd as a ronald reagan speech :/
[08:29] <psychonate> rofl
[08:29] <reka> eknowledg: do you have a middle mouse button?
[08:29] <IceDC571> grip with the right commands is beautiful
[08:29] <psychonate> patrickj, check the CDDB options
[08:29] <eknowledg> i have no mouse in term
[08:29] <patrickj> psychonate: where?
[08:29] <reka> :)
[08:29] <psychonate> patrickj, in the config/configure tab
[08:29] <eknowledg> lol
[08:30] <wizo> ok guys
[08:30] <wizo> gonna reboot now
[08:30] <psychonate> btw, anyone have an answer to my question?
[08:30] <wizo> pray for me =p
[08:30] <reka> psychonate: 'file <file>':)
[08:30] <eknowledg> does anyone know if there's a way to see the synaptics log?
[08:30] <Madpilot> psychonate: http://linuxcommand.org/lts0030.php#file
[08:30] <dabaR> good luck wizo.
[08:31] <psychonate> reka, that saved the day for me :)
[08:31] <psychonate> reka, ty
[08:31] <patrickj> psychonate: what format should I rip to?
[08:31] <keyes> hello
[08:31] <eknowledg> reka outta ideas?
[08:31] <psychonate> I was trying to extract a subtitle from an archive with no extension, but I didn't know what it was compressed with heh
[08:31] <reka> eknowledg: how'd you install the driver?
[08:31] <skalpel> can someone recommend a good soulseek client besides nicotine?
[08:31] <psychonate> patrickj, that's personal preference really. I prefer ogg vorbis myself.
[08:32] <reka> psychonate: yep, useful command.
[08:32] <eknowledg> ubuntuguide.org....but that's not the problem...because i did that after a fresh install...about 3 weeks ago, and it stopped working today
[08:32] <patrickj> how can I add that format to ripping?
[08:32] <cyphase> Anyone know of a utility for extracting a sound byte from an avi file?
[08:32] <keyes> Is multiverse in Synaptic (but non-selected) by default or multiverse must be added manually in source.list ?
[08:32] <psychonate> patrickj, are you just going to be listening to these songs on your computer, or are you planning on transferring them to a portable player or anything?
[08:32] <patrickj> just my computer
[08:32] <cyphase> ogg is better
[08:32] <reka> keyes: correct. it must be enabled
[08:32] <psychonate> ogg vorbis is probably your best choice then
[08:32] <psychonate> cyphase, technically, ogg is just a container (vorbis the audio codec) AFAIK
[08:33] <cyphase> i know
[08:33] <patrickj> psychonate: how do I add the option to rip *.ogg files in grip?
[08:33] <lucaz__> why not mp3?
[08:33] <cyphase> theora being the video codec
[08:33] <psychonate> patrickj, I don't know off the top of my head, but it's all in the configure tabs
[08:33] <patrickj> mp3 is ....
[08:33] <reka> eknowledg: not sure sorry ... don't know about nvidia probs really...
[08:33] <keyes> reka: must be added maually (not a checkbox) ? ok
[08:33] <patrickj> can u check yours and see?
[08:33] <Mestapheles> hi guys, does d-i use parted as a backend?
[08:33] <patrickj> because im unsure of it
[08:33] <psychonate> cyphase, well, you can put more video than just theora video streams in an ogg container
[08:33] <patrickj> ~/mp3/%A/%d/%n.wav/ogg, im guessing thats correct?
[08:33] <eknowledg> reka no prob mann, thanks for tryin
[08:33] <reka> keyes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositories
[08:33] <eknowledg> anyone else have any ideas?
[08:33] <psychonate> cyphase, I have never tried theora. How is it?
[08:33] <keyes> thanks
[08:34] <psychonate> patrickj, check the encoder option
[08:34] <reka> keyes: or if you prefer editing directly: paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[08:34] <patrickj> ~/mp3/%A/%d/%n.%x :/
[08:34] <psychonate> patrickj, just take your time and browse through all the options
[08:34] <keyes> thanks
[08:35] <psychonate> Config > Encode > Encoder > Encoder
[08:35] <psychonate> you want that to be oggenc
[08:36] <patrickj> YAY i got it to work :p
[08:36] <cyphase> psychonate, it's good
[08:36] <cyphase> small size
[08:37] <cyphase> good quality
[08:37] <skalpel> can someone recommend a good soulseek client besides nicotine?
[08:37] <root> sup all
[08:37] <cyphase> su root
[08:37] <skalpel> hello root.
[08:37] <skalpel> root: you should not irc as root.
[08:37] <wizo> heh oops, in recovery mode now, lolx
[08:37] <patrickj> w00t
[08:37] <wizo> using irssi
[08:37] <patrickj> ripping so slow...
[08:37] <skalpel> wizo: you should restart
[08:38] <wizo> errrr skalpel: i cant
[08:38] <skalpel> wizo: quit irc
[08:38] <skalpel> i hear ircing as root can be very dangerous
[08:38] <eknowledg> why is that
[08:38] <eknowledg> ?
[08:38] <cyphase> very
[08:38] <wizo> heh, i installed the nvidia drivers and i cant get to ubuntu
[08:38] <skalpel> login as someone else
[08:38] <wizo> how?
[08:38] <skalpel> you should not even be able to use irc in recovery mode
[08:38] <wizo> well, i am
[08:38] <eknowledg> wait wait, why is it so bad?
[08:38] <wizo> the only choice i have
[08:38] <skalpel> wizo: restart in regular mode and login as your username, then use irssi
[08:38] <wizo> dude
[08:38] <skalpel> maybe i am wrong
[08:39] <skalpel> i have always heard it is very unsafe to irc as root
[08:39] <wizo> skalpel: the problem is i cant
[08:39] <skalpel> k
[08:39] <psychonate> cyphase, better than say XviD or DivX?
[08:39] <eknowledg> but what is the reasoning behind that?
[08:39] <wizo> skalpel: i am now unable to see the ubuntu login screen
[08:39] <skalpel> im not actually with ubuntu support, i am just passing advice along
[08:39] <wizo> yeh i know
[08:39] <wizo> =)
[08:39] <skalpel> wizo: use ctrl +alt +1
[08:39] <skalpel> to switch to a terminal screen
[08:39] <skalpel> then login and irc from there
[08:39] <wizo> i installed nvidia drivers, now im stuck
[08:39] <skalpel> as your username
[08:39] <wizo> ok
[08:39] <wizo> brb
[08:39] <wizo> exit
[08:39] <wizo> oops
[08:39] <skalpel> eknowledg: i am not sure.
[08:40] <skalpel> eknowledg: am i wrong?
[08:40] <patrickj> I think its doing mp3 encoding and ogg file extension :/
[08:40] <b|ackwo|f> the stuff in the wiki
[08:40] <b|ackwo|f> is that the only dell systems they work w/ thats confirmed?
[08:40] <patrickj> the encoder is oggenc
[08:40] <reka> skalpel: http://freshmeat.net
[08:40] <skalpel> k
[08:41] <dabaR> skalpel: noone is with ubuntu support, pretty much,...
[08:41] <wizo> ok back, the ctrl alt 1 doesnt work
[08:41] <skalpel> dabar: ok, i feel better than
[08:41] <skalpel> then
[08:41] <dabaR> skalpel: alt+ctrl+fN
[08:41] <dabaR> not just N
[08:42] <wizo> its not working =(
[08:42] <IceDC571> does anyone use sound juicer to rip to flac?
[08:42] <skalpel> you should be able to do it now actually
[08:42] <wizo> i cant =(
[08:42] <psychonate> hmm, I don't think this subtitle is a subtitle heh; 'file' reports: "MPEG ADTS, layer I, v1, 96 kBits, 44.1 kHz, Stereo"
[08:42] <psychonate> sounds like audio :(
[08:42] <wizo> used to work
[08:42] <dabaR> b|ackwo|f: I dont think so, google for more info on your lappy, find out exact hardware models inside it tho.
[08:42] <j2dope> hi. what's a reccomend voice chat app for ubuntu? i can't find skype in synaptic
[08:42] <dabaR> wizo: that would be very strrange, you sure?
[08:42] <wizo> yes =(
[08:42] <patrickj> j2dope: you have to add extra repos
[08:43] <patrickj> I got skype ionstalled
[08:43] <dabaR> IceDC571: mine ripped to ogg the other day.
[08:43] <patrickj> but I dont have a mic :/
[08:43] <wizo> ctrl alt F2 etc etc
[08:43] <cyphase> psychonate, i haven't really compared them to much
[08:43] <j2dope> i have. any idea which one its in?
[08:43] <cyphase> but it seems to be
[08:43] <j2dope> i did a search for 'skype
[08:43] <skalpel> wizo: sorry, my incorrect advice
[08:43] <skalpel> function keys, yes. =)
[08:43] <IcE-bOy> hi
[08:43] <dabaR> skype is on their site too, and on the ubuntuguide.
[08:43] <eknowledg> what does "fatal server error" "no screens found" mean?
[08:43] <wizo> now i cant even switch and use irssi to try and solve this darn error
[08:43] <cyphase> Anyone know of a utility for extracting a sound byte from an avi file?
[08:43] <patrickj> j2dope: www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:43] <IcE-bOy> i have a problem with ubuntu .. udev doesn't starts, i can read at boot "udev requires tmpfs support"
[08:43] <poningru> dont use skype its not free
[08:44] <patrickj> extra repos, and Skype installation is in there ;)
[08:44] <wizo> skype is free, only for comp to comp
[08:44] <IcE-bOy> but i have tmpfs support, i have it in fstab
[08:44] <poningru> um I meant faif
[08:44] <MrGardenHoseMan> is it possible to temporarily unload a driver
[08:44] <poningru> freedom
[08:44] <poningru> freedom damn it
[08:44] <Madpilot> j2dope: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeHowto
[08:44] <dabaR> wizo: http://www.us.debian.org/intro/free
[08:44] <wizo> ok anyway, as i expected, i got a blank screen again after installing the drivers
[08:44] <wizo> ??
[08:44] <MrGardenHoseMan> untill another reboot or something like that
[08:44] <dabaR> Madpilot: (Y)
[08:44] <eknowledg> waiittt....could be trying to install wine have anything to do with X not starting?
[08:44] <j2dope> thanks guys
[08:45] <wizo> dabaR: giving me a link now would be futile
[08:45] <Madpilot> dabaR: huh?
[08:45] <psychonate> alright, well I think I will go indulge in some spaghetti western fun
[08:45] <skalpel> wizohi, i am having alot of problems with music skipping and slowdown on my desktop when playing music in rhythmbox
[08:45] <skalpel> does anyone know why?
[08:45] <dabaR> wizo: I guess.:)
[08:45] <dabaR> or, :(
[08:45] <stevenj> has anyone successfully installed adblock using the official ubuntu firefox 1.0.6?
[08:45] <reka> skalpel: local files, or off CD/DVD?
[08:45] <wizo> i`ll go try and access my xorg files
[08:45] <rob^> Why does synaptic list packages under different catagories then packages.ubuntu.com does?
[08:46] <dabaR> Many people new to free software find themselves confused because the word "free" in the term "free software" is not used the way they expect. To them free means "at no cost". An English dictionary lists almost twenty different meanings for "free". Only one of them is "at no cost". The rest refer to liberty and lack of constraint. When we speak of Free Software, we mean freedom, not price.
[08:46] <wizo> btw before i go, wads the thing to start the xorg server
[08:46] <skalpel> reka: local files.
[08:46] <IcE-bOy> nautilus always says me that i have to insert an empty media, i have tried with a lot of cds ... always the same message, and the record hardware works well, what could happend ?
[08:46] <reka> skalpel: system specs?
[08:46] <rob^> what?
[08:47] <eknowledg> someone PLEASE help me with getting X to start whenever they have free time...
[08:47] <rob^> stevenj, yes
[08:47] <skalpel> reka: emachine t3882 with intel extreme graphics2 3d integrated
[08:47] <wizo> wads the command to start the xorg server
[08:47] <skalpel> reka: i can play these files in xp and have no such trouble.
[08:47] <eknowledg> starx
[08:47] <reka> skalpel: RAM?
[08:47] <eknowledg> startx**
[08:47] <skalpel> reka: 256 mb
[08:47] <wizo> startx** ?
[08:47] <eknowledg> wizo startx
[08:47] <dabaR> just startx
[08:47] <eknowledg> no *
[08:47] <wizo> ok thx
[08:47] <eknowledg> sure
[08:47] <dabaR> look, wizo, it likely wont work tho.
[08:47] <wizo> y not?
[08:47] <dabaR> I mean, I dont know much...
[08:47] <reka> skalpel: it might be a sound config quirk ... are you against trying a different player?
[08:48] <dabaR> try, I guess, I cant give any advice, sorry.
[08:48] <wizo> skalpel: try alsa
[08:48] <wizo> cya guys =(
[08:48] <dabaR> cya, good luck.
[08:48] <skalpel> reka: no i am actually for it. i tried to use amarok but it is not compatible with the esd sound engine, supposedly.
[08:48] <eknowledg> sooner than you think
[08:48] <skalpel> wizo: ok
[08:48] <skalpel> reka: i dont like xmms either
[08:48] <reka> skalpel: oh, i was gonna recommend beep-media-player :)
[08:48] <dabaR> Madpilot: (Y) is a thumbs up in msn icons...good link above from the wiki, rather than the guide.
[08:48] <rob^> skalpel, have you tried bpm?
[08:48] <skalpel> i will try it
[08:48] <skalpel> is it in synaptic?
[08:48] <patrickj> bmp is the vest
[08:48] <reka> skalpel: it's an xmms clone
[08:48] <rob^> skalpel, gtk2 interface xmms
[08:49] <patrickj> skalpel: i think so
[08:49] <rob^> reka, its not a clone, its a fork
[08:49] <dabaR> rob^: beep-player-media?
[08:49] <evo> Anyone else have the problem where when you plug in a usb pen drive it mounts the whole device rather (/dev/sda) than the 1st partition (/dev/sda1)??
[08:49] <rob^> yes
[08:49] <skalpel> i prefer a WMP type ui
[08:49] <Madpilot> dabaR: ah, OK. thanks!
[08:49] <skalpel> i dont like winamp/xmms
[08:49] <MrGardenHoseMan> anyone know how to unload a driver?
[08:49] <reka> rob^: i stand corrected
[08:49] <skalpel> because i am at 1280x1024 and the window is too small
[08:49] <rob^> skalpel, tried rhythmbox?
[08:49] <skalpel> i am using rhythmbox, that is where the trouble lies
[08:50] <rob^> whats the problem?
[08:50] <skalpel> interference with the video
[08:50] <skalpel> choppyness
[08:50] <skalpel> music skipping
[08:50] <wizo> ok great, i tried to access /etc/x11/xorg.conf but the folder doesnt seem to exist
[08:50] <rob^> video an rhythmbox?
[08:50] <skalpel> i changed my video driver but it has not helped that
[08:50] <wizo> skalpel: try using VLC
[08:50] <rob^> use totem-xine for video
[08:50] <wizo> is it X11 or x11?
[08:50] <dabaR> rob^: beep-media-player.
[08:50] <rob^> does use gstreamer, nice and fast
[08:50] <eknowledg> X11
[08:50] <eknowledg> I believe
[08:51] <dabaR> X
[08:51] <rob^> oops
[08:51] <rob^> doesn't
[08:51] <patrickj> hey, if I so happen to have some old mp3 on cd, how can I convert them to ogg?
[08:51] <wizo> ok im an idiot
[08:51] <rob^> I ment
[08:51] <dabaR> no youre not.
[08:51] <poningru> patrickj: audacity
[08:51] <skalpel> yeah like when i load a web browser i get tiny excerpts of music i already stopped playing in rhythmbox, it is terrible
[08:51] <patrickj> poningru: what about mp32ogg?
[08:51] <poningru> havent used it
[08:51] <poningru> so no clue
[08:51] <stevenj> rob^, thanks
[08:51] <NicP> if i use ctrl-alt-f6 to get a new terminal window
[08:52] <rob^> skalpel, have you filed a bug?
[08:52] <NicP> how can i start an x session in that window?
[08:52] <rob^> skalpel, that doesn't sound rigt
[08:52] <dabaR> NicP: tried Apps>SystemTools>NewLogin, for f8?
[08:52] <rob^> right ^
[08:52] <NicP> startx gives me an error that i already have x running on that display
[08:52] <rob^> man I'm tired
[08:53] <skalpel> it is not right
[08:53] <skalpel> how do i order a bugreport for it?
[08:53] <NicP> dabaR, thanks
[08:53] <rob^> !bugs
[08:53] <skalpel> and how soon does that usually fix the problem?
[08:53] <dabaR> NicP: ya... skalpel get the waiter
[08:53] <rob^> umm.. hello ubotu!
[08:53] <skalpel> i thought so. it would be nice to listen to music now. =)
[08:53] <rob^> skalpel, might be fixed in breezy
[08:54] <dabaR> he is alive, rob^
[08:54] <rob^> skalpel, depends how bad they consider it
[08:54] <skalpel> i dont really want to re-install either
[08:54] <eknowledg> is there a web browser for term?
[08:54] <patrickj> poninguru: thanks, it works :d
[08:54] <Madpilot> !ubotu
[08:54] <ubotu> I heard ubotu is uh... Thaaat's me! I'm a bot. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu!
[08:54] <dabaR> /msg ubotu bug
[08:54] <rob^> ah there he is
[08:54] <rob^> just ignoring me
[08:54] <Tommo> Hi, im trying to install a program written in pthyon and i get this error, error: invalid Python installation: unable to open /usr/lib/python2.4/config/Mak efile (No such file or directory)
[08:54] <Madpilot> heh. earlier this week ubotu would only talk to me via /msg
[08:55] <Madpilot> which made using it on this channel a bit hard...
[08:55] <skalpel> * obotu :No such nick/channel
[08:55] <cyphase> How do I pipe sound output into a file?
[08:55] <rob^> !bugzilla
[08:55] <ubotu> methinks bugzilla is https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[08:55] <skalpel> k
[08:55] <dabaR> rob^: just bug works too.
[08:55] <patrickj> why is ripping music sooo sloooooooooooow
[08:55] <skalpel> yeah i get problems with the mouse too when i am loading web browsers
[08:55] <ondrej> mm all
[08:55] <j2dope> back again.. what's a reccomend pod cast program for ubuntu?
[08:55] <dabaR> NicP: another thing.
[08:55] <eknowledg> so anyone know a web browser for terminal?
[08:55] <rob^> dabaR, yeah, he doesn't like me though :)
[08:55] <skalpel> my video seems fucked up unilaterally
[08:55] <skalpel> whereas it was not under windows
[08:55] <patrickj> ! pastebin
[08:55] <ubotu> rumour has it, pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[08:55] <ondrej> anybody from ShipIt team here?
[08:55] <rob^> j2dope, ipodder
[08:55] <skalpel> it is the one problem i am having with ubuntu right now
[08:56] <patrickj> sorry just needed to test my theory
[08:56] <Tommo> what do i do?
[08:56] <patrickj> :d
[08:56] <patrickj> the the stupid gentoo channel is ? pastebin
[08:56] <cyphase> j2dope, bashpodder is a simple command line podcatcher
[08:56] <cyphase> and i'm working on one
[08:56] <dabaR> patrickj: speed is realative to the person observing it.
[08:56] <dabaR> ow, were you not that fast...
[08:56] <Madpilot> there's an error in ubotu's !bugzilla entry... bad URL, should be "http", not "https"
[08:56] <dabaR> n
[08:56] <rob^> Madpilot, either works for some reason
[08:57] <dabaR> Madpilot: change it
[08:57] <patrickj> is there any way I can mass convert music, like 100 files at a time?
[08:57] <Madpilot> correcting now...
[08:57] <dabaR> NicP: check out xnest, you can install it with sudo aptitude install xnest, it allows for a window with a new login. works faster than newLogin
[08:57] <Madpilot> !bugzilla
[08:57] <ubotu> bugzilla is probably http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[08:57] <wizo> lolx guys, i got back into my account
[08:57] <wizo> =D
[08:57] <patrickj> or at least 20?
[08:57] <dabaR> Madpilot: msg the bot
[08:58] <dabaR> wizo: no way!
[08:58] <eknowledg> wizo got into X?
[08:58] <wizo> yeh
[08:58] <dabaR> hehe, nice.
[08:58] <j2dope> rob^, is ipodder in synaptic?
[08:58] <eknowledg> cool so you could look up something for me?
[08:58] <eknowledg> lol
[08:58] <skalpel> computer_guru: are you there?
[08:58] <wizo> i changed smth from NVIDIA11 or smth to a humble nv in the xorc.conf file
[08:58] <j2dope> i dont have an ipod, i have a Creative Zen Micro.
[08:58] <wizo> xorg.conf file
[08:58] <dabaR> skalpel: what was it again?
[08:59] <eknowledg> anyone know what the webbrowser is called for terminal?
[08:59] <wizo> but now i cant run glxgears
[08:59] <wizo> eknowledg: lynx?
[08:59] <anacron> eknowledg: lynx or links2
[08:59] <wizo> but i doubt ubuntu has it
[08:59] <eknowledg> wizo !...you're the shhh....
[08:59] <parabolize> eknowledg, or w3m...
[08:59] <eknowledg> what's best?
[09:00] <rob^> eknowledg, lynx
[09:00] <parabolize> I like links2
[09:00] <eknowledg> I need web...but have no X
[09:00] <dabaR> good luck with a cli browser:)
[09:00] <rob^> dabaR, they are not that bad
[09:00] <patrickj> eknowledg: try $ sudo apt-get install links
[09:00] <cyphase> How do I pipe sound output into a file?
[09:01] <skalpel> dabar: i am having serious video slow down when i play music in rhythmbox
[09:01] <dabaR> rob^: sure, I just wish I knew how to use it...
[09:01] <patrickj> its the best text baed browser
[09:01] <skalpel> when i play mp3's
[09:01] <wizo> how do i see wad video driver im using?
[09:01] <dabaR> well, I guess I would know if need come...
[09:01] <mebaran151> hey neato
[09:01] <Madpilot> I still use Lynx a few times a year... it's interesting!
[09:01] <skalpel> it interferes mostly with firefox
[09:01] <mebaran151> I can encode a Fellini film
[09:01] <patrickj> skalpel: dont play music in rythm box then
[09:01] <dabaR> video slow down what?
[09:01] <mebaran151> in only 600 kbps
[09:01] <parabolize> eknowledg, w3m is installed by default I think
[09:01] <mebaran151> original quality
[09:01] <dabaR> like, everything slows down?
[09:01] <skalpel> if i open a web browser my mouse gets choppy and computer slows down and acts sluggish
[09:01] <mebaran151> the power of black on white
[09:01] <rob^> skalpel, are you trying to play mp3s and videos at the same time?
[09:01] <dabaR> skalpel: why niot use something else?
[09:01] <skalpel> patrickj: i have not found another music player that will work for me
[09:02] <skalpel> rob^: no i am not
[09:02] <mebaran151> skalpel, try muine or xmms
[09:02] <dabaR> xmms will after you change something...
[09:02] <mebaran151> or beep-media-player
[09:02] <rob^> so how can you get slow down?
[09:02] <skalpel> dabar: i would like to find something else that works but have been unable yo
[09:02] <skalpel> xmms is too tiny for me to even see
[09:02] <dabaR> sudo aptitude install xmms
[09:02] <dabaR> ah
[09:02] <dabaR> :)
[09:02] <skalpel> i have xmms installed
[09:02] <rob^> skalpel dabar: i am having serious video slow down when i play music in rhythmbox
[09:02] <skalpel> i will try it
[09:02] <dabaR> there is double size mode.
[09:02] <dabaR> let me see
[09:03] <rob^> that doesn't make sense
[09:03] <skalpel> ok, so it is not video slowdown.
[09:03] <wizo> i have a video slowdown too
[09:03] <dabaR> skalpel: open xmms
[09:03] <skalpel> it is a memory problem. i am no computer expert so you will have to bear with me
[09:03] <skalpel> k
[09:03] <dabaR> ctrl+d doubles the size
[09:03] <dabaR> try
[09:03] <skalpel> which is hideous
[09:03] <skalpel> i may have to compromise it looks like
[09:03] <rob^> skalpel, what type of PC do you have (hardware)?
[09:04] <skalpel> rob^: an emachine intel deleron d 335 with 256 mb memory
[09:04] <dabaR> afk
[09:04] <patrickj> but, is there a way to mass convert my music?
[09:04] <IceDC571> holy crap.. ubuntu is way behind on the gtkpod version
[09:04] <skalpel> i do not have this problem with windows xp, just ubuntu
[09:04] <rob^> skalpel, thats half your problem
[09:04] <rob^> skalpel, try not to use anything with gstreamer
[09:04] <rob^> ie
[09:04] <rob^> use totem-xine for video
[09:04] <rob^> and xmms for music
[09:04] <skalpel> and for music?
[09:04] <skalpel> ugh. xmms is so ugly, i hate the ui
[09:05] <Morti> Change the skin hten. ;
[09:05] <Morti> *then
[09:05] <skalpel> besides i cannot make xmms load music.
[09:05] <Morti> *;)
[09:05] <rob^> skalpel, well upgrade your pc then
[09:05] <skalpel> it is not a problem with my pc because i do not have this problem in windows.
[09:05] <Morti> beep-media-player is cool. XMMS but nicer.
[09:05] <skalpel> xmms just hung on me.
[09:06] <patrickj> skalpel: so get beep-media-player
[09:06] <patrickj> skalpel: I use bmp, and LOVE it
[09:06] <skalpel> alright i will try it
[09:06] <skalpel> it is in synaptic?
[09:07] <patrickj> one sec
[09:07] <mebaran151> skalpel, bmp is nice
[09:07] <mebaran151> gtk2 and eerything
[09:07] <patrickj> also, have yiou downloaded all the media codecs?
[09:07] <dabaR> skalpel: change the dafauklt output plugin to esound
[09:07] <patrickj> skalpel: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[09:08] <dabaR> rigth click, Options, Preferences...
[09:08] <patrickj> skalpel: follow those steps
[09:08] <skalpel> yeah my computer is even slowing down now when i move the mouse around. i was thinking it has something to do with virtual windows or an app i have open, but it is definately on the desktop
[09:08] <dabaR> Output plugin>Esound
[09:08] <patrickj> then $ sudo apt-get install beep-media-player
[09:08] <skalpel> dabar: how do i do that?
[09:08] <dabaR> patrickj: no, why add repos...
[09:08] <parabolize> I think the problem is your video driver. even if the comp works in windows.
[09:08] <skalpel> it must be the driver, i switched from the default driver to vesa on the advice of someone in here
[09:09] <skalpel> it also slows down extensively when i have terminal windows open, like i am loading down the video memory but i know i am not.
[09:09] <IceDC571> is it just me or is sourceforge not working?
[09:09] <patrickj> dabaR: is bmp in the repos without em?
[09:09] <patrickj> dabaR: and its also handy for extra software
[09:09] <parabolize> integrated video just doesn't do well in linux.
[09:09] <salil> help me
[09:09] <skalpel> i hate to hear that
[09:09] <skalpel> i do not want to switch back to windows
[09:09] <skalpel> everything is better here
[09:10] <salil> someone .. help me
[09:10] <parabolize> skalpel, got a agp slot?
[09:10] <dabaR> skalpel: there is an explanation on how to set up xmms to play above, with the right click.......
[09:10] <skalpel> parabolize: i do not know but i am not looking to change my hardware currently, i would switch back to xp first
[09:10] <dabaR> salil: I help you at this moment.
[09:10] <skalpel> dabar: thank you sir
[09:11] <dabaR> salil: stating what the problem is would help me helping you.
[09:11] <dabaR> sir is lame. But, ok, welcome.
[09:11] <salil> my ubuntu computer doesnot connect to internet properly..
[09:11] <salil> i have an external modem.. 56K..
[09:11] <salil> the modem doesnot respond properly.. and does not connect..
[09:11] <jeremias> salil: get a better connection
[09:11] <dabaR> salil: call a museum...;)
[09:12] <salil> when it does connect.. its very very slow.. or . no data is transferred at all
[09:12] <skalpel> i want to do it and put butter all over you lovebug
[09:12] <dabaR> they may want that...haha, I am evil.
[09:12] <patrickj> goodnight errybody
[09:12] <dabaR> skalpel: wrong channel.
[09:12] <dabaR> patrickj: cya
[09:12] <dabaR> lol@skalpel^^
[09:12] <Madpilot> um... skalpel, wrong channel or something? :)
[09:12] <skalpel> dabar: actually that is an aim window, i am chatting with my gf =)
[09:12] <salil> i can't get a better connection..
[09:12] <mebaran151> skalpel, sure .....
[09:12] <skalpel> i am so embarassed now
[09:12] <mebaran151> sure .....
[09:13] <skalpel> hahaha
[09:13] <salil> there's no better connection here..
[09:13] <skalpel> i told her what happened, and what you all think
[09:13] <mebaran151> sure ....
[09:13] <skalpel> and how nothing will ever change it, which is true
[09:13] <skalpel> so i should just accept the fact that you all think i am cybering now
[09:13] <skalpel> haha
[09:13] <dabaR> skalpel: cool, man, no worries.
[09:13] <skalpel> i hope i can still get ubuntu suppoirt
[09:13] <skalpel> haha
[09:13] <salil> my windows pc works just fine.. but .ubuntu pc is giving me problems..
[09:13] <mebaran151> will shall remember you FOREVER for your ... insidious ways
[09:13] <Madpilot> have fun... just don't share any more with us, please...
[09:13] <skalpel> k
[09:13] <salil> can you please help me
[09:14] <kokoko1> hi
[09:14] <kokoko1> anyone using kubuntu?
[09:14] <dabaR> #kubuntu
[09:14] <knowledge_> Yeap...I DID manage to get X working all by myself...and I'm very proud of myself
[09:15] <salil> hey.. guys.. please help me
[09:15] <dabaR> salil: I wish I knew how.
[09:15] <parabolize> kokoko1, they have there own channel. ;-)
[09:15] <skalpel> so no more ideas on my video driver and massive memory slowdown huh?
[09:15] <salil> okay..
[09:15] <knowledge_> dabaR, haha
[09:15] <knowledge_> salil, ask mann
[09:15] <dabaR> skalpel: got xmms working at al?
[09:16] <kokoko1> okay
[09:16] <dabaR> skalpel: not about the driver, but I can give you some ideas about the butter stuff...
[09:16] <salil> hey.. and what do you have to do to listen to mp3..??
[09:16] <Madpilot> !mp3
[09:16] <ubotu> from memory, mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[09:16] <Madpilot> salil: see the URL that ubotu just posted
[09:16] <mebaran151> ubotu, we are so proud
[09:16] <ubotu> mebaran151: okay
[09:16] <salil> does the music player that comes with the os..??
[09:16] <dabaR> knowledge_: he ashed...
[09:16] <lhb> ubotu is a genius
[09:16] <ubotu> lhb: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[09:16] <light_punch2> how can i set 3 logon attempts for each users? if they try more that 3, system will lock them out.
[09:17] <knowledge_> dabaR, very true
[09:17] <dabaR> see, lhb that is what makes a great mind, modesty...
[09:17] <dabaR> knowledge_: he asked...
[09:17] <skalpel> dabar: i am actually ok on the gf thing
[09:17] <skalpel> i wish computers were as easy as girls
[09:17] <Madpilot> salil: the music players that come with Ubuntu will play mp3, but see that web page for instructions on how
[09:17] <dabaR> its about dialup. not sure abnout stufff
[09:17] <dabaR> skalpel: blasphemy!!!
[09:17] <dabaR> girls are much harder than cvomputers...
[09:17] <lhb> skalpel: mmmm....
[09:18] <salil> okay.. thanks..
[09:18] <skalpel> i will try out xmms now
[09:18] <skalpel> if i can stop laughing
[09:18] <skalpel> haha
[09:18] <dabaR> skalpel: xmms?
[09:18] <dabaR> ok go.
[09:18] <salil> btw.. guys.. girls are damn easy..
[09:18] <salil> nothing like computers
[09:18] <dabaR> ye, me too...
[09:18] <Madpilot> there's no "man girlfriend" or "girlfriend --help"...
[09:18] <Madpilot> :)
[09:18] <dabaR> salil: ya, ok, we know...its us that are not easy, I guess.
[09:18] <salil> ;)
[09:19] <salil> try harder guys.. practise makes one perfect.
[09:19] <dabaR> nono, with me, I am shy, I get lots of girls around me, but I am shy to make the move, anyhow, not realted whatsoever.
[09:19] <b|ackwo|f> lol
[09:19] <skalpel> you have to find a girl who needs sex all the time
[09:20] <skalpel> that is what i did
[09:20] <skalpel> it took me awhile though
[09:20] <skalpel> slightly off topic though
[09:20] <skalpel> hehe
[09:20] <Madpilot> then you start posting about butter...
[09:20] <parabolize> lol
[09:20] <skalpel> anythingto keep it interesting
[09:20] <skalpel> dabar: xmms wont load for some reason, i will probably need to restart
[09:21] <dabaR> hha, he is totally keeping it interesting...
[09:21] <dabaR> restart what?
[09:22] <dabaR> terminal>killall xmms
[09:22] <skalpel> k
[09:23] <aleksi> does anyone have clue why my webserver and ssh server stopped from working if I try connecting with their LAN ip(192.168.1..., but work with my domainname which is routed to server by firewall
[09:23] <skalpel> dabar: grand, it worked. now what was i supposed to do in the rigth click menu?
[09:24] <dabaR> options>props>output plugin(default) esound!
[09:24] <aleksi> this happened after upgrade to hoary
[09:26] <skalpel> i think i am just running too many apps in ubuntu and gnome is hating me for it
[09:26] <skalpel> i believe it is the virtual desktop, as windows has nothing similiar to coplain about, which it would i am sure
[09:27] <dabaR> aleksi: which did?
[09:27] <r2d4> anyone install webmin on ubuntu? I installed the package. started it with /etc/init.d/webmin start. But nothings on https://localhost:10000
[09:28] <gm78> r2d4, instead of doing localhost, try your ip address (the one your router assigns you)
[09:28] <Madpilot> r2d4: what about just "http://localhost" instead of "https"?
[09:28] <gm78> Madpilot, it needs to be https://
[09:29] <frank> r2d4: webmin also has the problem of only giving access to root, who has no password.
[09:29] <r2d4> same. not on http either.
[09:29] <gm78> r2d4, for instance https://192.168.2.155/10000
[09:29] <dabaR> skalpel: I dont think you are making much sense, the virtual desktops is nothing. YOu can choose to run something like me, openbox, which is a minimal WM, no desktop, very low mem usage.
[09:29] <gm78> r2d4, did u try the ip address thing?
[09:30] <Madpilot> gm78: ah, ok. not familiar w/ webmin, but I do run apache...
[09:30] <r2d4> gm78: trying
[09:30] <skalpel> well if you say virtual desktops is nothing then i believe you, because i think i have used them in litestep with windows and never had such a problem, it must be something else
[09:30] <parabolize> openbox is great, I use it, but it is kinda had to make menus in xml...
[09:30] <dabaR> skalpel: xmms playing now?
[09:30] <skalpel> which suggests to me it is a driver thing, or soe software something, or config setting, i just canot fid it
[09:30] <gm78> frank, you can easily set a root passwd in ubuntu
[09:30] <parabolize> skalpel, there is xfce
[09:30] <dabaR> parabolize: actually, it is easy...depending on how much you know about it...
[09:31] <skalpel> parabolize: and how is that?
[09:31] <skalpel> it seems like gnome should work ok
[09:31] <parabolize> dabaR, well if you allready write xml its easy
[09:31] <r2d4> gm78: nope. not working. is this a daemon? should I check somehow if it is running?
[09:31] <dabaR> parabolize: and, how much you are trying to change...I modified it a bit...
[09:31] <dabaR> parabolize: or if you use html, even...
[09:31] <dabaR> I dont write xml, almost at all.
[09:31] <dabaR> I am intelligent, tho...
[09:31] <skalpel> dabar: yes it works now.
[09:31] <gm78> r2d4 by chance do u have port 10000 blocked off with a firewall. that shouldnt affect anything but it might
[09:32] <dabaR> and I had a template
[09:32] <skalpel> i still hate it though
[09:32] <skalpel> =)
[09:32] <dabaR> skalpel: haha
[09:32] <parabolize> dabaR, everything I can! http://users.adelphia.net/~phann8/images/Screenshot2005-06-27.png
[09:32] <dabaR> haha
[09:32] <dabaR> nice
[09:32] <r2d4> gm78: I don't think I have a firewall on this one. But atleast localhost should be clear. no?
[09:32] <parabolize> lots of new hotkeys
[09:33] <dabaR> how do you take that screenshot again?
[09:33] <dabaR> nice
[09:33] <gm78> r2d4, i would assume so. i cant understand why webmin wouldnt be working. did u install it thru apt?
[09:33] <marlijs> Hi, how can I add user foto to user profile?
[09:33] <parabolize> print key will take a screen shot
[09:33] <dabaR> parabolize: I am a new openbox user, you should see mine:)
[09:33] <r2d4> gm78: yes. apt-get
[09:33] <gm78> r2d4, hmmm....it worked fine for me
[09:33] <r2d4> gm78: I did not configure anything.
[09:34] <light_punch2> is there a command like lpstat?
[09:34] <r2d4> gm78: am I supposed to?
[09:34] <light_punch2> for printer status
[09:34] <gm78> r2d4, i dont believe so....i didnt have to if i remember correctly
[09:34] <dabaR> just the print key by itself?
[09:34] <Tribune> hi all
[09:34] <gm78> dabaR, yes, and alt+print will take a screenshot of a single app
[09:35] <dabaR> not working here...in openbox?
[09:35] <Kmorph> Hi guys
[09:35] <Tribune> i'm facing problem of installing several program using apt-get.. can anybody assis me
[09:36] <dabaR> where does it save thhe file? or is it supposed to open a dalog?
[09:36] <AlexMBas> Tribune: what's up?
[09:36] <dabaR> Tribune: give us the errrors, or something...
[09:36] <gm78> dabaR, should open a dialog
[09:36] <dabaR> gm78: ya, that gnoem dialog...
[09:36] <dabaR> hm...
[09:36] <dabaR> Ill open nautilus
[09:36] <dabaR> or somtehing, altho, its open...
[09:36] <dabaR> hm..
[09:36] <Tribune> E: Couldn't find package. what dooes it mean?
[09:36] <dabaR> gnomepanel, maybe.
[09:37] <dabaR> Tribune: means you dont have teh package, which one are you installing?
[09:37] <AlexMBas> maybe wrong package name Tribune
[09:37] <Tribune> i try to sudo apt-get install realplayer. and flashplayer
[09:38] <dabaR> hahaha, I am not using ubuntu, again I am so stupid...
[09:38] <Tribune> i tried to follow ubuntuguide.org
[09:38] <Madpilot> !flash
[09:38] <ubotu> I guess flash is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:38] <Nermal> Tribune, added all the repositories ?
[09:38] <Madpilot> Tribune: follow the URL that ubotu just posted, instead
[09:38] <Madpilot> !repos
[09:38] <ubotu> well, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[09:38] <Tribune> i'm new in linux actually
[09:38] <Nermal> we guessed
[09:38] <dabaR> Madpilot: yeah, both realplayer and flash should be there.
[09:39] <Tribune> previous i just try using knoppix
[09:39] <dabaR> we guessed:)
[09:39] <dabaR> I mean, I am laughing at that statement, not that I guessed.
[09:39] <Tribune> and i find kubuntu very interesting
[09:39] <Nermal> !info flashplugin-nonfre
[09:39] <Nermal> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[09:39] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: (Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer), section multiverse/web, is optional. Version: 7.0.25-5 (hoary), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 156 kB
[09:39] <pax> ubotu forget backports
[09:39] <ubotu> pax: i forgot backports
[09:39] <pax> ubotu Backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[09:39] <ubotu> pax: okay
[09:39] <asdx> Hoary uses initng or sysvinit?
[09:40] <r2d4> gm78: I ran /usr/share/webmin/miniserv.pl /etc/webmin/miniserv.conf. It returns after a couple of secs. Since this is a non daemonized process, I was expecting it should not. But it does not give me any traceback.
[09:40] <parabolize> Tribune, kubuntu has a channel. #kubuntu
[09:40] <benplaut> the new Inkscape .42 looks pretty sweet
[09:40] <Nermal> Tribune, I would do sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[09:40] <benplaut> too bad it still lacks a decent layers panel...
[09:40] <Nermal> Tribune, you can use apt-cache search <packagename> to find packages
[09:40] <asdx> Hoary uses initng or sysvinit?
[09:40] <Madpilot> anyone here know anything about Apache2? it seems that Ubuntu's apache has a slightly non-standard setup
[09:40] <Nermal> asdx, stop repeating
[09:41] <dabaR> wtf pax, he knew taht already, for one, for two, msg the bot.
[09:42] <benplaut> that's a way to stop repeating :P
[09:42] <holycow> wow
[09:42] <holycow> inkscape 4.2 looks really cool
[09:42] <holycow> it even has some bits adobe doesn't have
[09:42] <dabaR> Holy Cow, It's cool!
[09:42] <Nermal> !info inkscape
[09:42] <ubotu> inkscape: (Vector based drawing program), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.40-2ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 3807 kB, Installed size: 14628 kB
[09:42] <Madpilot> like, it's free?
[09:42] <pax> dabaR: chill out and get some fresh air.
[09:42] <holycow> like a peculiar gradient feature that lets you warp the gradient
[09:42] <Nermal> hmm.. is 0.42 in breezy ?
[09:42] <holycow> dabaR, indeedy!
[09:42] <Tribune> i'm blurr
[09:43] <benplaut> or even .43, maybe
[09:43] <dabaR> pax: he knew it already, but, ya, good advice.
[09:43] <holycow> Nermal, no
[09:43] <benplaut> what is this !info thing?
[09:43] <holycow> oh breezy, *smack*
[09:43] <holycow> never mind
[09:43] <holycow> its too early
[09:43] <Nermal> benplaut, package info ?
[09:43] <pax> dabaR: you said that twice, you want a medal?
[09:43] <benplaut> ohy
[09:43] <benplaut> a bot?
[09:43] <holycow> http://www.inkscape.org/screenshots/gallery/inkscape-0.42-CVS-effects.png <-- this looks wicked
[09:43] <Nermal> aye
[09:43] <dabaR> pax: ya, got one?
[09:43] <skalpel> what directory do i find xmms in?
[09:44] <dabaR> skalpel: why is that?
[09:44] <Tribune> /home/inul # sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[09:44] <Tribune> Reading package lists... Done
[09:44] <Tribune> Building dependency tree... Done
[09:44] <Tribune> E: Couldn't find package flashplayer-mozilla
[09:44] <Nermal> "In this version the development community closed 404 bugs, some quite serious, and 165 feature requests."
[09:44] <benplaut> !info xterminal
[09:44] <ubotu> xterminal: (The Terminal emulator application), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 0.2.4-1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 714 kB, Installed size: 1636 kB
[09:44] <Nermal> Tribune, add the extra repositories
[09:44] <Nermal> as stated before
[09:44] <parabolize> skalpel, type locate xmms in a term
[09:44] <dabaR> !msg the bot
[09:44] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, msg the bot is please use /msg ubotu to play with the bot, the channel does not benefit much from your fun. Sorry.
[09:44] <benplaut> so... why does it put it as under someone's name?
[09:44] <skalpel> dabar: i want to change the skin i am using to something less hideous
[09:44] <Madpilot> benplaut: the !info thing is one of ubotu's features
[09:44] <Tribune> how to add?
[09:44] <benplaut> oh
[09:44] <Nermal> !repos
[09:44] <ubotu> repos is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[09:45] <dabaR> skalpel: well, you dont need the folder.
[09:45] <benplaut> ubotu is a bot...
[09:45] <ubotu> Wish i knew, benplaut
[09:45] <Nermal> Tribune, see that url
[09:45] <Madpilot> !ubotu
[09:45] <ubotu> ubotu is, like, uh... Thaaat's me! I'm a bot. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu!
[09:45] <holycow> *ooo* align tool is neat, take THAT adobe!
[09:45] <holycow> :)
[09:45] <skalpel> dabar: how do i change the skin? i downloaded one to my home dir and want to try it out
[09:45] <dabaR> just a sec
[09:45] <benplaut> rgr... i've heard that answer before
[09:45] <skalpel> is there nobody in here who has had success making amarok work under gnome?
[09:45] <Tribune> brb
[09:45] <Burgundavia> skalpel, there is a page about it
[09:45] <skalpel> oh? awesome.
[09:45] <skalpel> do you know where?
[09:45] <dabaR> skalpel: um, right click, options>Skin browser, same as winamp more/less
[09:45] <Burgundavia> skalpel, wiki.ubuntu.com/Amarok
[09:45] <Madpilot> the "Lindenmayer" think in inkscape is some sort of fractal generator, right?
[09:46] <skalpel> dabar: it did not come up in the skin browser though
[09:46] <dabaR> Burgundavia: you maintain the wiki?
[09:46] <skalpel> burgundavia: thank you
[09:46] <Burgundavia> dabaR, along with the rest of the DocTeam
[09:46] <dabaR> skalpel: put the skin file/folder in ~/.skins, I think that should works.
[09:46] <dabaR> no
[09:46] <holycow> http://www.inkscape.org/screenshots/gallery/inkscape-0.42-CVS-trace-color.png <-- whoa, that has to be the neatest trace tool i have ever seen
[09:47] <holycow> vector trace tool even
[09:47] <skalpel> dabar: i cannot make those hidden dirs show up in file browser
[09:47] <Burgundavia> skalpel, ctrl-h
[09:47] <skalpel> dabar: what is the command for copying files
[09:47] <skalpel> k thank you
[09:47] <benplaut> holycow: agreed
[09:47] <dabaR> holycow: also the first one I ever saw...
[09:48] <holycow> dabaR, ehe :) i've used variations in flash for ages, but with varying results
[09:48] <skalpel> ubuntu support is awesome
[09:48] <skalpel> i could cry inside
[09:48] <holycow> :)
[09:48] <skalpel> hehe
[09:48] <feugan3333> Hi all. Is there any reason why /var/www is owned by root and not the www-data user?
[09:48] <skalpel> thank you sir
[09:48] <skalpel> very kind
[09:49] <dabaR> feugan3333: dont let www-data own anything.
[09:49] <holycow> http://www.inkscape.org/screenshots/ <-- anyway peek here obviously, man, there are a ton of features i have never ever seen in there
[09:49] <holycow> or properties of certain features
[09:49] <holycow> woooooooow
[09:49] <wolverian> feugan3333, if an attacker gets access to the www-data user, he could overwrite those files
[09:49] <holycow> someone has had their thinking cap on, who knew vector illustration could actually be cool?
[09:50] <casco> can anyone help? need a p2p program for linux, amule aint working.
[09:50] <Madpilot> feugan3333: you can always chown your www file - but this is probably NOT recommended for an actual server
[09:50] <dabaR> feugan3333: he is not to own anything, cause he can be compromised, whatever wahtever, bla bla,. just make the files under /var/www readable to all, folders read+exec to all
[09:50] <wolverian> casco, nicotine is a pretty nice soulseek client
[09:50] <Madpilot> my Apache install is strictly localhost only...
[09:50] <holycow> they should like patent all these new features, i'd like to see adobe come crying to the table
[09:50] <feugan3333> dataR: I want to create a log from a cgi executable and need a place to where apache can create files
[09:51] <dabaR> feugan3333: ask on #debian, I dont think you can get an answer for that here, but, please try...
[09:51] <casco> is that in the synaptic package manager?
[09:51] <bob2> don't point people at #debian
[09:51] <benplaut> Tomcat_: are you installing the DEB on that website to .42?
[09:51] <bob2> feugan3333: why doesn't the executable just produce the log itself?
[09:51] <Madpilot> casco: you mean inkscape? yes it is
[09:51] <snowmann> hi
[09:52] <casco> brb
[09:52] <Madpilot> feugan3333: there is an apache channel as well
[09:52] <orange_> hey folks
[09:52] <benplaut> hello
[09:52] <Madpilot> hi
[09:52] <orange_> i'm locked out of my display
[09:52] <dabaR> its an issue that isnt distro specific, but, ya, I guess that was stupid.
[09:52] <orange_> it's rejecting my password, and i know it's correct
[09:52] <orange_> any help?
[09:52] <benplaut> yeah
[09:52] <vinboy> hi guys
[09:52] <benplaut> happens occasionally
[09:52] <feugan3333> bob2: the execubable is creating the file itself, but the cgi script does not run. Permission problems I presume.
[09:52] <vinboy> how do I change my default background color
[09:52] <benplaut> press ctrl+alt+backspace to kill X
[09:53] <orange_> i know how to kill X, i just don't want to :/
[09:53] <feugan3333> Madpilot: I don't think its a apache problem.
[09:53] <benplaut> no way around it that i've found
[09:53] <orange_> damn
[09:53] <orange_> alright, thanks
[09:53] <benplaut> happens somewhere around once a month, and no clue why
[09:53] <orange_> i've never had it happen before
[09:54] <skalpel> burgundavia: after i install the amarok package where do i find it in my gnome menu?
[09:54] <Imsdle> im having trouble setting quasar
[09:54] <orange_> good thing for irssi, heh
[09:54] <bob2> it won't appear in the gnome menu
[09:54] <Imsdle> ^Xroot@melissa:/opt/firebird # sudo /opt/quasar/bin/quasar_setup
[09:54] <Imsdle> Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
[09:54] <Imsdle> Segmentation fault
[09:54] <Burgundavia> skallen, should be under sound&video
[09:54] <orange_> i'm off to restart X then. thanks
[09:54] <bob2> Imsdle: don't login as root, of course
[09:54] <Tomcat_> benplaut: Nah, I just installed the Ubuntu package via synaptic.
[09:54] <dabaR> night. vinboy SYstem>Prefs>Desktop bg/.
[09:54] <bob2> Imsdle: sudo /opt/quasar/bin/quasar_setup, as your regular user
[09:54] <benplaut> Tomcat_: old, but it works :(
[09:54] <Imsdle> oh thanks bob2
[09:55] <Madpilot> seriously cool: http://www.inkscape.org/screenshots/gallery/inkscape-0.41-CVS-linux-tiles1.png
[09:55] <bob2> if you're logging in as root, you've done something wrong
[09:55] <benplaut> hmm
[09:56] <benplaut> i notice the "PLEASE PLEASE" has been taken out from "DO NOT USE BREEZY YET" ;)
[09:56] <Burgundavia> benplaut, space requirements
[09:56] <benplaut> oh
[09:56] <Burgundavia> needed to fit the backports stuff in
[09:56] <Madpilot> they had to squeeze the 'firefox is busted' notice iin there somewhere
[09:57] <benplaut> and how to fix it...
[09:57] <Madpilot> how to fix Firefox: www.opera.com/download
[09:57] <Madpilot> ;)
[09:58] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, please don't recommend non-free software here
[09:58] <Tomcat_> benplaut: I have never seen Inkscape, but it looks awesome... much better than GIMP for drawing. Even that old version. ;)
[09:58] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: <insert rude noise here> ;)
[09:59] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, your my brother, I can beat you up all I want
[09:59] <Madpilot> Tomcat_: inkscape & gimp are for different things.
[09:59] <Tomcat_> Yeah, I see that. :)
[09:59] <Tomcat_> One can do Vector Graphics in GIMP too though.
[09:59] <ubuntu_dell> hi there
[09:59] <Tomcat_> But it's much worse to use.
[09:59] <melodie> hello all :)
[09:59] <benplaut> Burgundavia, Madpilot: for real? :S
[10:00] <holycow> tomcat, also gimp is very very powerfull, photoshop is peculiar in the sense that because ever yone uses it, to learn gimp you need to 'deprogram' your self
[10:00] <holycow> it took me two days to actually wrap my mind around having basically the exact same ui, with different shortcuts
[10:00] <Madpilot> benplaut: yeah, we're brothers. Burgundavia converted me to Ubuntu
[10:00] <Tomcat_> holycow: Yeah I've noticed that. :( Used Photoshop for ages.
[10:00] <benplaut> aaahhh
[10:00] <benplaut> interesting
[10:00] <casco> ok, ive installed nicotine, but cant connect, invalid password
[10:00] <casco> (i obviously invented one not knowing what the heck)
[10:01] <holycow> Tomcat_, i think what i found is that gimp is probably TOO CLOSE to pshop for ui, so people are tricked subconciously to expect everything in the same spot
[10:01] <Madpilot> I've had the same problem, GIMP != Photoshop - and I've spent five years learning Photoshop, that's the problem
[10:01] <melodie> do someone know a command in order to know how much RAM and CPU one application uses ?
[10:01] <holycow> except its not, and i think the gimp ui is now better than ps ... for me anyway
[10:01] <blenergetic> hello
[10:01] <Madpilot> holycow: exactly my problem - I keep hitting the PS keys in GIMP...
[10:01] <holycow> Madpilot, right i have greater than 10 years of ps
[10:01] <Burgundavia> benplaut, I do development work in Ubuntu. Madpilot just produces hot air and enjoys not being on XP anymore
[10:01] <benplaut> doesn't gimpshop fix that?
[10:01] <blenergetic> I'm interested in dual booting Ubuntu linux with Winblowz
[10:01] <casco> wolverian, you suggested nicotine, right?
[10:01] <Tomcat_> holycow: I don't have the problem of finding stuff, rather that it's just different in its actions... like that selected areas can be moved without selecting a special tool and stuff.
[10:01] <benplaut> hehe... yup, that works :P
[10:02] <wolverian> casco, yeah
[10:02] <nJess> how do i screenshot in KDE?
[10:02] <nJess> i can't remember for the life of me
[10:02] <Tomcat_> nJess: PrintScreen key?
[10:02] <benplaut> nJess: press printscreen?
[10:02] <casco> wolverian, so what about the password thingy?
[10:02] <nJess> that works?
[10:02] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: no beer for you next time you're over, boy...
[10:02] <holycow> benplaut, partly, but gimpshop is worse for me, it maps like 65% to ps, so your still screwed for mising features, or features not in pshop (yes gimp does things ps doesnt)
[10:02] <benplaut> ahh
[10:02] <melodie> my gui is blocked and I'd like to avoid killing this soft before I know what it uses...
[10:02] <benplaut> i wouldn't know... never used it :P
[10:02] <holycow> Tomcat_, yeah, took a while to learn some of the nuance sthere too
[10:03] <wolverian> casco, just put something there you will remember. it'll register the account on the first use
[10:03] <Madpilot> I've done a little bit of tweaking of gimp's shortcuts, toward PS, but mostly I"m trying to learn the gimp...
[10:03] <casco> wolverian, wierd, i tried it, and it was an "invalid password"
[10:03] <melodie> nobody knows a way ?
[10:03] <wolverian> casco, then your username is taken
[10:03] <holycow> Madpilot, i haveto admit, that i absolutely HAVETO have the zoom and wand shortcuts like ps
[10:03] <Tomcat_> But I've tried some vector graphics stuff in GIMP, and it worked... but it was still awkward to use... whereas inkscape feels quite easy.
[10:03] <nJess> yeah
[10:03] <holycow> everything else i've gotten used to :)
[10:03] <nJess> printscreen doesn't work
[10:03] <salil> hey people... can anyone tell me.. the content of /etc/hosts file..
[10:04] <casco> wolverian, ok, thanx, i'll see what i can do
[10:04] <salil> i accidently delete them
[10:04] <holycow> but zoom? wand? no way, i cant get on without the ps shortcuts
[10:04] <holycow> its very weird
[10:04] <nJess> benplaut, didn't work
[10:04] <Madpilot> holycow: I thought it was odd that gimp doesn't even have the zoom mapped to a key by default...
[10:04] <blenergetic> oui I'll stick with #ubuntu-nun then 0_0
[10:04] <holycow> Madpilot, *nod*
[10:05] <Madpilot> !dualboot
[10:05] <ubotu> hmm... dualboot is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[10:05] <Madpilot> blenergetic: see the URL that ubotu just posted, for dual booting info
[10:05] <vinboy> what does Ubuntu uses? ALSA, OSS or eSOUND?
[10:05] <blenergetic> Madpilot, ok
[10:05] <blenergetic> ncie bot :)
[10:05] <blenergetic> !hello
[10:05] <melodie> salil: I can tell you, but I'll have to kill one appli and go back to graphic interface first
[10:05] <ubotu> blenergetic: I don't know, could you explain it?
[10:05] <Burgundavia> vinboy, Hoary uses esd
[10:05] <blenergetic> lol
[10:05] <blenergetic> !help
[10:05] <Burgundavia> vinboy, the new development version uses esd with alsa dmix, which solves the esd issue with non-esd applications
[10:05] <blenergetic> how sophisticated
[10:06] <melodie> if you are ok to wait a few minutes...
[10:06] <vinboy> Burgundavia, oh ic. kool
[10:06] <melodie> see you :)
[10:06] <melodie> quit
[10:06] <salil> can't you just see it..??
[10:06] <Rydekull> salil: if you're only using ipv4 this should do: 127.0.0.1 <name of machine> localhost
[10:06] <m0ns00n> Hey
[10:06] <orangerange> what's a good console/commandline IRC/chat client for newbies?
[10:07] <m0ns00n> Any repositories for ubunut I don't have, I have: universe, multiverse, backports, extras, main, restricted
[10:07] <salil> what is that <name of machine>..?
[10:07] <parabolize> orangerange, irssi
[10:07] <Tomcat_> I find irssi to be not too bad.
[10:07] <salil> what do i put there..?
[10:07] <Rydekull> salil: your name of your machine?
[10:07] <m0ns00n> need avidemux or transcode
[10:07] <salil> computer's name..??
[10:07] <Tomcat_> But newbies doesn't match with commandline :)
[10:07] <blenergetic> hmm... lets test this
[10:07] <Rydekull> salil: yes
[10:07] <m0ns00n> but I can't find any packages
[10:07] <Rydekull> salil: its hostname
[10:07] <blenergetic> blender can be found at www.blender3d.org
[10:07] <blenergetic> where can i find blender?
[10:07] <salil> ah ha..
[10:07] <salil> thanks..
[10:07] <Rydekull> salil: type hostname in the console and you'll see
[10:07] <blenergetic> aww didn't work ;)
[10:07] <orangerange> oh, i think i already have irssi installed.
[10:07] <salil> and.. what are those.. repositories
[10:07] <parabolize> blenergetic, sudo apt-get install blender
[10:08] <blenergetic> parabolize, no I was testing the bot :P
[10:08] <Madpilot> blenergetic: to talk to ubotu you can use /msg
[10:08] <parabolize> O
[10:08] <blenergetic> says it learns by people saying "x can be found at xxx.org"
[10:08] <blenergetic> aah
[10:08] <orangerange> i don't know how to connect to ubuntu via irssi. what should i write? I wrote "/connect irc.freenode.net" then "/join ubuntu" but i'm getting error messages.
[10:08] <Nermal> /server irc.freenode.net
[10:08] <Nermal> /join #ubuntu
[10:08] <Madpilot> ubotu blender is a 3d program that can be found at http://www.blender3d.org
[10:08] <ubotu> okay, Madpilot
[10:09] <Nermal> orangerange, you need the #
[10:09] <orangerange> yes
[10:09] <hyphenated> orangerange: you understand that there aren't any console IRC clients that are appropriate for newbies, don't you?
[10:09] <Rydekull> Nermal: both /connect and /server works mind you :)
[10:09] <Nermal> hyphenated, irssi is a piece of piss
[10:09] <Rydekull> Nermal: preferably he uses /connect
[10:09] <Madpilot> blenergetic: that's how you get ubotu to remember stuff - "ubotu <foo> is <bar>"
[10:09] <Nermal> automatically creates new windows /etc
[10:09] <blenergetic> Madpilot, ok
[10:09] <Rydekull> Nermal: all is after how you've got it tweaked
[10:09] <orangerange> hyphenated, in that case, i'll stick with xchat.
[10:10] <hyphenated> orangerange: don't be afraid to try other ones, but just keep in mind they aren't really suited for people that want a simpler interface
[10:10] <orangerange> using xchat, is there a simple "switch/button" where i can pause/resume the logging/recording of the chatroom conversation?
[10:10] <Rydekull> hmm, not that I think irssi is hard to learn, you just need to know how to look for help :)
[10:10] <nJess> orangerange, no
[10:11] <hyphenated> Rydekull: /help ;-)
[10:11] <Rydekull> hyphenated: and irssi.org :)
[10:11] <Rydekull> hyphenated: and you're good to go :)
[10:11] <orangerange> why is irssi asking me for a password? I don't need a password to enter ubuntu chatroom, do I?
[10:12] <orangerange> in synaptic, i'm getting this message: It is not possible to upgrade all packages.
[10:12] <orangerange> This means that besides the actual upgrade of the packages some further action (such as installing or removing packages) is required. Please use Synaptic "Smart Upgrade" or "apt-get dist-upgrade" to fix the situation.
[10:12] <Nermal> orangerange, so use dist-upgrade
[10:12] <salil> hey... i want to try the blender 3d program.. but i don't know which one to download..
[10:12] <Nermal> it tells you what to do ffs
[10:12] <Rydekull> orangerange: type /quit, type irssi, type /connect irc.freenode.net, type /join #Ubuntu and you're in :)
[10:12] <orangerange> "The following packages are not upgraded, acroread wesnoth wesnoth-data
[10:12] <yong> Ubuntu need to consolidate the information. Wiki, Webforum, IRC, mailing list, blog, ... it looks like a data ocean.
[10:13] <Nermal> yah :)
[10:13] <skalpel> the funny thing is i went to all that trouble to install amarok, and when i got it to work under gnome it turned hideous to me and i do not want it anymore
[10:13] <hyphenated> yong: ok, put it all in the Wiki for us ;-)
[10:13] <parabolize> salil, :) I just said that... sudo apt-get install blender
[10:13] <Nermal> info blender
[10:13] <Nermal> !info blender
[10:13] <skalpel> can someone recommend a good window manager to go with ubuntu?
[10:13] <ubotu> blender: (Very fast and versatile 3D modeller/renderer), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 2.36-1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 3716 kB, Installed size: 9568 kB
[10:13] <Tomcat_> yong: I find it very much consolidated... much better than for Debian.
[10:13] <Nermal> salil, sudo apt-get install blender :)
[10:13] <orangerange> 17:14 !irc.freenode.net *** Checking ident
[10:13] <orangerange> 17:14 -!- Irssi: Not connected to server
[10:13] <salil> can you please tell me.. what is that sudo thing..?
[10:13] <salil> and also apt-get.. and all that..?
[10:13] <Tomcat_> yong: In other distros, you have to check hundreds of mailing lists, usenet groups, forums, personal homepages, whatever, through Google... no central place.
[10:13] <Nermal> salil, executes the command as super user (root)
[10:13] <salil> where can i get those documentations..?
[10:14] <salil> ooh
[10:14] <orangerange> irssi said "closing link. not the right password." what's up?
[10:14] <Nermal> salil, apt-get in the tool used to install software in ubuntu
[10:14] <Tomcat_> While Ubuntu is about wiki.ubuntu.com and ubuntuforums.org
[10:14] <Tomcat_> (+ some googling ;))
[10:14] <Nermal> salil, man apt-get and man sudo for information
[10:14] <yong> Tomcat, I feel it's difficult to find a specific issue on this site.
[10:14] <salil> okay
[10:14] <Nermal> you can use apt-cache search <package> to find a package too
[10:14] <salil> my internet in ubuntu is not working.. so i'm using another PC..
[10:15] <salil> can anyone tell me.. how to configure my internet in UBUNTU
[10:15] <gandlaf> Hi
[10:15] <Tomcat_> yong: I usually search the wiki, then the forums, then Google, and if I couldn't find an issue there, there's usually nobody who ever had it. :o
[10:15] <Nermal> salil, depends on what your connection is
[10:15] <yong> Tomcat, really?
[10:15] <blenergetic> !help
[10:15] <konki> AUDIO HELP!! ubuntu mp3 ripper/player?? whats the best?? any comments??
[10:15] <blenergetic> hrmm I think ubotu is borked :(
[10:15] <Nermal> konki, grip ?
[10:15] <orangerange> I got a pdf from http://www.hotspot.ne.jp/en/servicearea/pdf/en_allmap.pdf. I'm having problems accessing it. It's taking up all CPU. Whats' wrong?
[10:15] <Nermal> soundjuicer?
[10:15] <salil> my connection is.. 56K.. i have an external modem..
[10:16] <Nermal> !info soundjuicer
[10:16] <Tomcat_> yong: Are the mailing lists and blogs really that helpful? :o
[10:16] <skalpel> can someone tell me how to switch from gnome to xfce?
[10:16] <orangerange> irssi is asking for my password. help
[10:16] <blenergetic> yeah ubotu is borked ;(
[10:16] <Nermal> salil, hmm.. then you should just be able to plug it in and then go to the network setup in gnome
[10:16] <salil> yes.. i did all that.. but.. the modem does not respond properly..
[10:17] <bob2> orangerange: when asking questions like that, you need to be a lot more specific
[10:17] <konki> Nermal, what about LAME/MPlayer??
[10:17] <salil> and when the modem does respond.. there's no data exchange
[10:17] <Madpilot> !help
[10:17] <Nermal> konki, well. you can use that
[10:17] <bob2> orangerange: how is irssi asking for a password? what did you do to get it to do that?
[10:17] <Nermal> not as easy though
[10:17] <Nermal> and grip has cddb support
[10:17] <gandlaf> Can anyone help me ? I do first time ubundu installation. and now i have a serious problem. i dont know the root password
[10:17] <Nermal> gandlaf, sigh.. read.. same as user password
[10:17] <Nermal> no root account on ubuntu
[10:17] <Nermal> use sudo
[10:18] <skalpel> hi nermel
[10:18] <gandlaf> realay
[10:18] <konki> Nermal, whats so good about grip?? never heard of it.. does it support mp3pro??
[10:18] <Nermal> konki, dunno.. install and find out
[10:18] <melodie> hello, is there still someone who wants a /etc/hosts file content ?
[10:18] <salil> me me..
[10:18] <skalpel> what is grip?
[10:18] <salil> yea.. i wanted that..
[10:18] <melodie> ok
[10:18] <Nermal> !info grip
[10:18] <ubotu> grip: (GNOME-based CD-player/ripper/encoder), section universe/gnome, is optional. Version: 3.2.0-3ubuntu3 (hoary), Packaged size: 429 kB, Installed size: 1204 kB
[10:18] <melodie> salil:
[10:18] <salil> yes.. mdlodie
[10:18] <melodie> my name machine is papillon
[10:18] <orangerange> can anybody help me use irssi to access ubuntu chatroom. The errors i got are found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/788
[10:18] <salil> sorry
[10:18] <salil> melodie
[10:18] <melodie> so it appears in the content
[10:18] <skalpel> how do i change my hostname?
[10:18] <yong> Tomcat, I have a problem about TOSHIBA TE2000 laptop which cannot restart from Linux - when it restarts, it fall asleep ;) so I have to press the power button. It is too boring when switch to Windows. can you search this ?
[10:19] <melodie> so you will have to replace it
[10:19] <Nermal> skallen, hostname <hostname>
[10:19] <orangerange> bob2, please refer to http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/788
[10:19] <skalpel> nermal: that has not worked for me, for some reason.
[10:19] <melodie> with the name of your own machine
[10:19] <melodie> ok ?
[10:19] <skalpel> it stayed 'ubuntu'
[10:19] <salil> no.. but i want the format in which to put.. the ip add. hostname and all that..
[10:19] <yonil> could some1 explain why everytime i open the syntaptic upgrade tool (the red icon at top), it starts by telling me "the following packages will not be upgraded: mozilla-firefox ... mozilla-firefox-gnome support" ?
[10:20] <melodie> I suppose I cannot flood here
[10:20] <konki> Nermal, i just need the smallest mp3 files i can rip.. that all! ok anyways thanks.. gotta do some research about grip..
[10:20] <bob2> orangerange: that looks like you're trying to do something oper-related
[10:20] <orangerange> Anybody with a spare 20 seconds. Please try opening the PDF at http://www.hotspot.ne.jp/en/servicearea/pdf/en_allmap.pdf. I'm having problems accessing it. It's taking up all CPU. Whats' wrong?
[10:20] <Nermal> yonil, because you need to do a dist-upgrade
[10:20] <Nermal> which will install additional packages
[10:20] <orangerange> bob2, oper? operator?
[10:20] <melodie> salil: do you want to connect #meets on the same irc chan to make it fast ?
[10:20] <Nermal> or a "smart upgrade" in synaptic apparently
[10:20] <salil> sure.
[10:20] <salil> how to do that..??
[10:20] <Nermal> morning beezly
[10:20] <yonil> Nermal, hmmm how do i do that ?
[10:21] <konki> Nermal, does grip support SPM or apt-get??
[10:21] <Nermal> yonil, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:21] <Nermal> or there must be a smart upgrade option in synaptic.. I dunno. I've never used it
[10:21] <Nermal> konki, I dunno
[10:21] <yonil> Nermal, that sounds like something that can brake a computer ;P (i dont use synaptic btw)
[10:21] <Nermal> konki, how would grip support apt-get ?
[10:21] <Nermal> yonil, it won't if your on hoary
[10:21] <Nermal> it will tell you what new packages need to be installed
[10:22] <Nermal> probably not many
[10:22] <yonil> ok thanks
[10:22] <Nermal> you're*
[10:22] <konki> Nermal, go to the commandline/terminal and type the command 'apt-get' install grip if it would work...
[10:23] <melodie> salil: as soon as you're connected on #meets I'll past the file
[10:23] <Nermal> konki, sure.. that's why the bot found it
[10:23] <Nermal> you'll need universe enabled
[10:23] <melodie> plse don't make it too long cause I've plenty to do :)
[10:23] <salil> how do i connect to #meets..??
[10:23] <Nermal> salil, /join #meets ?
[10:23] <sulkd> offtopic, but.. does anyone know of a really good hosting company that offers dedicated servers?
[10:23] <Nermal> sulkd, rackspace
[10:23] <melodie> same as #ubuntu
[10:24] <melodie> on the same chan
[10:24] <konki> Nermal, ok thanks.. am on the grip website, very nice.. later
[10:24] <Nermal> sulkd, not the cheapest mind
[10:24] <Nermal> konki, :)
[10:24] <melodie> irc.freenode.net 6667
[10:24] <sulkd> Nermal, thanks I'll check them out
[10:24] <ubuntu_dell> "/j #meets" without quote
[10:24] <melodie> with Xchat or with irssi or whatsoever
[10:24] <skalpel> jon@ubuntu:~$ sudo hostname klaus
[10:24] <skalpel> Password:
[10:24] <skalpel> jon@ubuntu:~$
[10:24] <skalpel> how come it does not change instantly?
[10:24] <Nermal> skallen, maybe you need to log out and back in
[10:25] <Nermal> skalpel, just edit /etc/hostname
[10:25] <skalpel> ok
[10:27] <sulkd> Nermal, you are hosted by rackspace?
[10:28] <Burgundavia> sulkd, they may not do it for legal reasons
[10:28] <yonil> yay firefox upgraded from 1.0.2 to 1.0.6 :P
[10:29] <anacron> hurray
[10:29] <Burgundavia> yonil, in terms of security, it went from .4 to .6
[10:29] <anacron> did it make world better place to live?
[10:30] <root__> Can anyone tell me why ubuntu hangs right after the graphical server starts. I just installed.
[10:31] <nJess> question, building from source improves system performance, yes?
[10:31] <nJess> or rather
[10:32] <nJess> software performance
[10:32] <Burgundavia> nJess, it might
[10:32] <liraz> nJess, yes
[10:32] <Burgundavia> seriously, the effort is not worth it
[10:32] <liraz> amen
[10:32] <nJess> Burgundavia, its for fun
[10:32] <nJess> linux is for fun, for me
[10:32] <nJess> :D
[10:32] <root__> Can anyone tell me why ubuntu hangs right after the graphical server starts. I just installed.
[10:32] <Burgundavia> root__, which version did you install?
[10:32] <abhayks> root_: which version ?
[10:33] <znh> Hm.. anyone knows why echo -e \a does not do his job?
[10:33] <root__> Hmm, hold on, it might say it on the disk.
[10:33] <root__> 4.10
[10:33] <sulkd> znh, echo -e \\a
[10:34] <znh> sulkd: ah D'oh, thanks :)
[10:34] <root__> abhayks: 4.10
[10:34] <znh> sulkd: do you know also how to make multipile beeps?
[10:34] <synd> root__, why not 5.04?
[10:35] <sulkd> znh, while :; do echo -e \\a; done ? :P
[10:35] <root__> synd: I have no idea, this if my first time on this distro.
[10:35] <znh> sulkd: lol :D
[10:35] <abhayks> root_: please tell more about the machine configuration and the xorg.conf file
[10:35] <synd> root__, 5.04 is the latest stable release. 4.10 is stable as well. neither have to do with why your xorg isnt working
[10:35] <znh> sulkd: then it would beep continuesly, I would like to have it beep about 5 times
[10:35] <synd> root__, just wondering why
[10:36] <root__> synd: ah, okay.
[10:36] <root__> I'll be back..
[10:39] <znh> anyone noticed 'Read errors' in gaim?
[10:40] <synd> znh, which vers?
[10:40] <znh> synd: momemt will check, but it's diffenetly the newest
[10:40] <synd> 2.10?
[10:40] <holycow> as a tangent of linkage off of the inkscape release, looks like firefox will be getting full svg supprt
[10:40] <holycow> not that would be really neat
[10:40] <znh> synd: Gaim 1.3.1
[10:41] <simon_> morning folks
[10:41] <holycow> could enable some really neat apps to be deployed on the browser
[10:41] <holycow> say something like planner, but web based
[10:41] <holycow> sweet
[10:41] <znh> simon_: morning
[10:41] <simon_> Anyone help me with a sound problem plz ?
[10:41] <Madpilot> cool, the more browsers that support svg, the better. Opera 8 already does
[10:41] <holycow> Madpilot, it does?
[10:41] <synd> znh, did you get if off the repos?
[10:42] <holycow> oh neat, i should looksee :)
[10:42] <znh> synd: Yes i did
[10:42] <ph3r> I'm back. root__ .. I managed to get a graphical server up, but it gave me some trouble with "loading the theme 'human'".. Any it said my greeter crashed... Sorry for the lame newbie questions. I am just looking for some quick help.
[10:42] <vinboy> when will the next new kernel be out?
[10:42] <vinboy> i can't wait to upgrade my kernel
[10:42] <Madpilot> holycow: yup. openclipart.org is suddenly a lot easier to browse!
[10:42] <holycow> ph3r, give us more info on how you installed ubuntu and how far you got
[10:42] <Tomcat_> vinboy: In October
[10:43] <Tomcat_> vinboy: Or you mean a kernel.org Kernel?
[10:43] <pippijn> hi all
[10:43] <simon_> My souncard is correctly recognized in device manager , and i have tried the sound fix on the ubuntu guide pages , but still silent . ANyone any ideas ?
[10:43] <ph3r> holycow: it crashed during an update after install.
[10:43] <holycow> ph3r, so it was working after install?
[10:43] <pippijn> can someone look at http://xinutec.mine.nu?
[10:43] <pippijn> if it works
[10:44] <Tomcat_> No connection, pippijn.
[10:44] <pippijn> hm
[10:44] <pippijn> weird
[10:44] <pippijn> I don't see anything in my firewall log either
[10:44] <holycow> oh lookee, opera has an ubuntu deb
[10:44] <Madpilot> pippijn: not connecting that I can see...
[10:44] <holycow> how sweet!
[10:44] <holycow> :)
[10:44] <GGfofo> where the apt-get sources.list located i need to add some other source so i can get wine ??
[10:44] <pippijn> darn
[10:44] <ph3r> holycow: Somewhat, I managed to get x server running, but it doesn't seem to want to run right? How can I be shure I installed correctly?
[10:45] <konki> ?? do i need to resart my system after installing with SPM???
[10:45] <holycow> ph3r, well, by going into terminal and doing sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist upgrade first
[10:45] <Madpilot> holycow: ubuntu packages for so many *nix branches - but the Ubuntu one came in quickly!
[10:45] <konki> how come nothing shows on my appz??
[10:45] <holycow> and making sure the update is successfull
[10:45] <holycow> if update is successfull fully we can debug from there
[10:45] <holycow> do alt / f1, login as your self an dist upgrade first pleaze
[10:46] <Tomcat_> pippijn: Check if the IP of xinutec.mine.nu matches yours.
[10:46] <holycow> Madpilot, i noticed that, very cool indeed
[10:46] <GGfofo> where is the sources.list located?
[10:46] <pippijn> Tomcat_: okay
[10:46] <Tomcat_> xinutec.mine.nu has address 172.177.17.27
[10:46] <ph3r> holycow: Thank you
[10:46] <ph3r> apt-get update
[10:46] <ph3r> && sudo apt-get dist upgrade first
[10:46] <ph3r> opps.
[10:46] <pippijn> correct
[10:46] <pippijn> that's mine
[10:46] <Tomcat_> Yeah, I see it.
[10:46] <Tomcat_> Weird.
[10:47] <Tomcat_> Maybe mine.nu is blocking it?
[10:47] <freewoody> How do I bypass a local transparent proxy server ?
[10:47] <Tomcat_> I doubt it, but maybe you did some setting wrong.
[10:47] <pippijn> Tomcat_: don't think so ;)
[10:47] <holycow> *wooo*
[10:47] <holycow> opera loads really fast on linux too
[10:47] <holycow> wow
[10:47] <holycow> heh :)
[10:47] <Nameeater> opera is the best browser :)
[10:48] <IceDC571> opera loads fast on everything
[10:48] <IceDC571> dillo is still the fastest i think
[10:48] <IceDC571> but it doesnt render most webpages correctly
[10:48] <freewoody> How do I install opera ?
[10:48] <Madpilot> best thing about opera for this XP refugee is that I could just plug my bookmarks file in seemlessly
[10:49] <holycow> it's really impressive how fast it is indeed
[10:49] <holycow> freewoody, download opear deb from opera.com
[10:49] <Madpilot> freewoody: www.opera.com/download - get the Ubuntu .deb
[10:49] <pippijn> maybe I did something wrong with my firewall
[10:49] <holycow> then do dpkg -i operapackage.deb from the dir you downloaded it to
[10:49] <Madpilot> holycow: beat me to the next part! ;)
[10:49] <pippijn> Tomcat_: I am forwarding that port from this computer to the webserver
[10:49] <holycow> Madpilot, indeedy, i can view svg!
[10:49] <holycow> woot!
[10:49] <holycow> neato!
[10:49] <holycow> haha
[10:49] <freewoody> Does somebody here know how I bypass a proxy server ?
[10:50] <Madpilot> very cool (long) tour of Opera 8's features: http://operalover.tntluoma.com/8/
[10:50] <pippijn> and that webserver wants to use port 33184 on my NAT
[10:50] <pippijn> every time someone wants to connect
[10:50] <Tomcat_> pippijn: Well... no idea to help you there right now, check your settings then.
[10:51] <simon_> is there a ubuntu support forum ?
[10:51] <pippijn> I don't understand why that server wants to connect to my NAT
[10:51] <Tomcat_> simon_: wiki.ubuntu.com has support, and there's ubuntuforums.org
[10:51] <pippijn> on some high port
[10:51] <simon_> ty TC
[10:51] <freewoody> does someone has a iptables script for pc with a single nic card which is connected directly to a LAN
[10:52] <Tomcat_> simon_: And we're doing support here... I'm pretty sure you'll get help in any of those places.
[10:52] <pippijn> freewoody: of course... but it won't help you because it is made for my needs
[10:52] <pippijn> you have to do your own firewall script
[10:53] <pippijn> freewoody: maybe look at some autogenerated script
[10:53] <lindsay> Hello, I recently just installed kubuntu but I dont have all the packages that I thought came with KDE such as kdevelop, kwrite.. I tried apt-get and aptitude search but those packages dont exist, can someone tell me how I can get all those KDE goodies?
[10:53] <freewoody> Like ?
[10:53] <rob^> freewoody, 1. why do you need a firewall 2. use firestarter
[10:53] <pippijn> freewoody: firestarter and fwbuilder generate scripts
[10:53] <pippijn> and kmyfirewall too but 1) it is KDE and 2) it's not in ubuntu repos
[10:53] <pippijn> so you would need to build that yourself
[10:54] <pippijn> anyways, as rob^ said, use firestarter
[10:54] <pippijn> it makes life easier
[10:54] <freewoody> Which is the best site to learn about Iptables ?
[10:54] <rob^> freewoody, dont
[10:54] <rob^> you dont need to
[10:54] <freewoody> why ?
[10:54] <freewoody> Regarding firestarter, I just apt-get install firestarter to install it ?
[10:54] <rob^> because you can use Firestarter for one thing
[10:55] <rob^> and its too hard to learn for something you will hardly use
[10:55] <lindsay> can anyone help me? or not?
[10:55] <znh> lindsay: are you that guy from mean girls ?
[10:55] <znh> *girl
[10:55] <pippijn> freewoody: http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO//packet-filtering-HOWTO.html
[10:56] <simon_> Anyone have an idea why my seemingly recognised and installed onboard SIS sound isnt working plz ?
[10:56] <lindsay> negative :P
[10:56] <znh> lindsay: glad
[10:56] <lindsay> heh
[10:57] <pippijn> lindsay: you need to add some things to /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:57] <pippijn> lindsay: I can send you mine in which every ubuntu repo is included
[10:57] <nJess> router locked up :/
[10:57] <freewoody> My harddisk is getting full
[10:57] <freewoody> How do I free up some space ?
[10:58] <nJess> delete old files
[10:58] <Madpilot> delete your pron collection? ;)
[10:58] <freewoody> Well besides that ?
[10:58] <nJess> well
[10:58] <Madpilot> ... sorry ...
[10:58] <freewoody> besides that
[10:58] <Nermal> freewoody, delete stuff in /var/cache/apt/archive/
[10:58] <nJess> rm -rf *
[10:58] <lindsay> I just got some thanks :)
[10:58] <nJess> :P
[10:58] <Nermal> that's all the .debs you've downloaded
[10:58] <pippijn> ok
[10:58] <Madpilot> nJess: even less funny than my suggestion...
[10:59] <nJess> its funny if he does it
[10:59] <Madpilot> well, for us, maybe... :p "sudo rm -rf *" would be funnier
[11:00] <Nameeater> sudo apt-get clean
[11:00] <Nameeater> ?
[11:00] <Madpilot> I know "-r" is recursive - is "f" for 'just do it, don't ask questions'?
[11:00] <Nameeater> force
[11:00] <pippijn> Madpilot: it means "go on even if errors occur"
[11:00] <Nameeater> ignore nonexistent files, never prompt
[11:01] <Madpilot> right, so it'll delete *everything*... evil...
[11:01] <pippijn> yes
[11:01] <pippijn> sudo rm -rf /
[11:01] <pippijn> that will delete everything
[11:01] <bca_> Hi, i am having some trouble getting Java installed, where can I get some help?
[11:01] <znh> pippijn: that's rude :P
[11:01] <nJess> hey
[11:01] <nJess> after i have resolved the build deps
[11:01] <pippijn> ;)
[11:01] <pippijn> I did that twice
[11:02] <pippijn> for fun
[11:02] <nJess> would apt-get -b source xchat instill the program after it is compiled?
[11:02] <pippijn> because I wanted to reinstall anyways
[11:02] <pippijn> my system stayed up for quite long
[11:02] <pippijn> after some time then it started complaining about sound files not being found so Gaim could not tell me that someone has logged on
[11:02] <daves> hi all :)
[11:02] <pippijn> hi daves
[11:03] <znh> hi daves
[11:04] <lapalomino> join #ubuntu-de
[11:05] <pippijn> lapalomino: because?
[11:05] <znh> pippijn: omg he's advertising
[11:05] <Madpilot> lapalomino: append a / to that and it'll work...
[11:05] <pippijn> hehe
[11:06] <pippijn> /join #ubuntu-de
[11:06] <pippijn> Madpilot: it's prepend if that word exists ;)
[11:07] <Madpilot> pippijn: you're right - and it is a word. 'append' would be 'add after'...
[11:07] <St0n3-C0l> do anybody know where do I put new layout for keyboard?
[11:07] <St0n3-C0l> I mean I want to add another layout
[11:07] <pippijn> yeah
[11:07] <St0n3-C0l> please tel
[11:07] <St0n3-C0l> tell*
[11:08] <pippijn> St0n3-C0l: in X?
[11:08] <St0n3-C0l> yep
[11:08] <pippijn> what Desktop Environment?
[11:08] <znh> ~[-_-] ~
[11:08] <pippijn> gnome?
[11:08] <znh> pippijn: sorry that I interupt you, but it has to be configured in the X config, that has nothing todo with the WM
[11:08] <pippijn> znh: he wants to _add_ one
[11:09] <pippijn> not replace it
[11:09] <znh> hm
[11:09] <pippijn> in the X config you put the default one
[11:09] <Zukero> hi
[11:09] <pippijn> but if you want to add one you have to use some DE tool
[11:10] <St0n3-C0l> gnome piipijn
[11:10] <Madpilot> hmmm... Ubuntu's default dictionary seems to have stopped working...
[11:10] <pippijn> St0n3-C0l: then:
[11:10] <Madpilot> does it connect to something on the web for a database?
[11:10] <pippijn> System -> Preferences -> Keyboard -> Layouts
[11:10] <St0n3-C0l> I don't want to change
[11:10] <St0n3-C0l> I want to add
[11:10] <pippijn> well there you go
[11:10] <St0n3-C0l> when I click on Add it gives me many layouts
[11:11] <St0n3-C0l> i want to add there my own :s
[11:11] <St0n3-C0l> Thats Urdu layout
[11:11] <pippijn> you want to create one?
[11:11] <Zukero> anyone here uses ubuntu with enlightenment (E16) ?
[11:12] <St0n3-C0l> yeah
[11:12] <St0n3-C0l> I've a file of layout
[11:12] <pippijn> hm
[11:12] <pippijn> wait...
[11:12] <synd> Zukero, yes, some do
[11:12] <St0n3-C0l> oka
[11:12] <Zukero> because
[11:12] <synd> Zukero, is there a specific problem?
[11:12] <Zukero> yeah
[11:12] <daves> how do you set things up so as to see all apps on the panel (but having them on differnet vertual desktops ?
[11:12] <pippijn> St0n3-C0l: /usr/share/keymaps/i386
[11:12] <Zukero> it doesn't generate the gnome and epplets menu
[11:13] <pippijn> St0n3-C0l: that is where all keymaps are
[11:13] <Zukero> it does nicely under debian
[11:13] <Zukero> but
[11:13] <St0n3-C0l> Thanks :)
[11:13] <Zukero> the gnome menus under debian and ubuntu are a little different
[11:13] <Zukero> so maybe
[11:13] <Zukero> E cannot find it
[11:14] <norhted> #hacks
[11:14] <Zukero> i was wondering if someone managed to have these menus (especially the gnome one)
[11:14] <synd> norhted, #hacks?
[11:14] <norhted> :) typo
[11:14] <daves> Can anyone point m to the direction of find out how to have the pc powerdown after the OS has powered down ?
[11:15] <poningru> Zukero: what are you trying to do?
[11:16] <poningru> is it in the application menu or the places/system menu?
[11:16] <Stinkywrix> Sheesh, Ubuntu is so much better then Knoppix.
[11:17] <Zukero> poningru : I just want to have the Gnome menu in E16
[11:17] <Zukero> both
[11:17] <Zukero> but rather the application
[11:17] <pippijn> where is iproute?
[11:17] <Zukero> the one that is normally automaticalyy generated by E
[11:17] <poningru> !smeg
[11:17] <ubotu> somebody said smeg was a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[11:17] <pippijn> I mean the binary... I installed the package
[11:18] <poningru> Zukero: have you looked into that?
[11:18] <Zukero> that's for gnome
[11:18] <Zukero> i need smthg for E
[11:18] <poningru> ok now clue sorry
[11:18] <poningru> err no*
[11:18] <pippijn> Zukero: apt-get install menu
[11:19] <pippijn> Zukero: when that is installed do update-menus as root
[11:19] <pippijn> and then update-menus.real
[11:19] <znh> heh funny, large files with the extentsion .jpg but they are at hisself mp3 are being automaticly downloaded by firefox
[11:19] <Zukero> pippijn : that's for E ?
[11:19] <pippijn> Zukero: it's for everything that is supported by ubuntu
[11:19] <pippijn> also windowmaker
[11:19] <pippijn> I use it for that
[11:19] <Zukero> hmm
[11:20] <poningru> znh: did you look under download?
[11:20] <Zukero> ok i'll try it
[11:20] <poningru> there should be a list of filetypes that firefox does automatic action for
[11:20] <znh> poningru: does not show up, only a jpg box in the firefox window (like it can't be found, but it's being downloaded)
[11:20] <pippijn> Zukero: actually only use the first one
[11:20] <pippijn> update-menus
[11:20] <pippijn> the .real one does not exist in ubuntu
[11:21] <poningru> znh: I'm sorry I dont understand your question
[11:21] <poningru> what exactly do you want firefox to do?
[11:21] <znh> poningru: it's not a question, it's a sort of funny thing :)
[11:21] <Burgundavia> poningru, ff should integrate into gnome and use the gnome stuff for opening files
[11:22] <poningru> ah ok
[11:22] <znh> poningru: I open a file on a webserver that has a extension .jpg (Picture), but the content of that file is something else.. but firefox handles it as a image and downloads it automaticly wich is kinda unsecure
[11:22] <pippijn> does anyone know about NAT?
[11:22] <znh> pippijn: yes, it should be disabled :+P
[11:22] <Zukero> thx pippijn : now, I have a Debian menu under E16 in ubuntu :)
[11:23] <Zukero> i can now access everything I needed
[11:23] <pippijn> znh: I need it
[11:23] <poningru> oh well obviously its gonna download as a pic
[11:23] <Burgundavia> znh, if ff passed the file onto gnome, gnome would say it was a not a jpg and barf an error up
[11:23] <pippijn> Zukero: nice :)
[11:23] <poningru> but its not gonna execute it as anything else
[11:24] <znh> Burgundavia: that's right, but if there is some other application that can rename and execute it, would be easy
[11:24] <poningru> gotta go
[11:24] <Burgundavia> znh, renaming the file is not going to do much in linux
[11:24] <Yagisan> G'day. Has anyone successfully installed Ubuntu PPC in either PearPC or QEMU ?
[11:24] <Burgundavia> it needs to set the execute bit and then force the system to execute it
[11:25] <znh> Burgundavia: oh yes your right in that :)
[11:25] <nJess> how do i install .debs?
[11:25] <znh> nJess: dpkg -i packagename.dab
[11:25] <nJess> thnks
[11:26] <znh> nJess: for more information about dpkg, you might want to see the manpage by typing 'man dpkg'
[11:27] <nJess> crap
[11:27] <nJess> i have two packages that depend on each other to install
[11:28] <nJess> how do i do multiple at once?
[11:28] <Yagisan> nJess: put them all on the same line
[11:29] <Yagisan> Anyone installed any linux PPC distros at all in either QEMU or PearPC ??
[11:29] <m0ns00n> not me
[11:29] <m0ns00n> :-D
[11:30] <Yagisan> Damm. I can't get them installed. I want to build powerpc versions of doomsday, but I don't have a mac.
[11:30] <synd> Yagisan, its been done
[11:30] <lhb> !qemu
[11:30] <ubotu> Wish i knew, lhb
[11:31] <pippijn> can someone try http://xinutec.mine.nu?
[11:31] <nJess> im replacing my precompiled software with versions i just compiled
[11:31] <nJess> :D
[11:31] <berkes> g'day
[11:31] <Yagisan> synd: What do you mean ?
[11:31] <berkes> pippijn: 404
[11:32] <pippijn> hm :(
[11:32] <pippijn> ok
[11:32] <berkes> how long does if usually take before new version of apps become available for ubuntu?
[11:32] <Gourami> Hi all, if I restart cupsys and it exits with a status of 13, I presume there is something wrong right ?
[11:32] <znh> berkes: depends on the popularity I think ;)
[11:33] <berkes> yesterday a new version of inkscape was released (wohoo!)
[11:33] <anacron> yahoo
[11:33] <berkes> and I'd liek to know if its worth compliing or if I just have to wait a bit more
[11:33] <anacron> too bad i don't know how to use inkscape well :(
[11:33] <anacron> too much windows, too much freehand
[11:33] <berkes> anacron: neither did I. but its by far the best program to lean vectors
[11:34] <berkes> inkscpae is only one window. as opposed to gimp
[11:34] <asfra> If I want to install 'mplayer-686_1.0-pre6-03ubuntu6_i386.deb' should I just type 'dpkg -i mplayer-686_1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6_i386.deb.dab' and then it's installed?
[11:34] <znh> what's inkscape, what can it do?
[11:34] <Nermal> asfra, aye.. with sudo
[11:34] <sulkd> gimp needs a HIG diet... badly
[11:34] <berkes> znh: http://www.inkscape.org/
[11:34] <znh> asfra: doing it via apt-get should be easier for the deps
[11:34] <Imsdle> when im trying to setup quasar, it is asking for a libpq.so in the /usr/lib/ director but there isn't any file. If i try to use the libpq.so.3 or the libpq.so.3.1 file they don't work
[11:34] <Zukero> and without the .dab
[11:34] <Zukero> asfra : and without the .dab
[11:34] <Imsdle> im using a postgresql db
[11:35] <synd> asfra, did you try apt-get install mplayer ?
[11:35] <znh> berkes: woot woot
[11:35] <Yagisan> Any doomsday players here ?
[11:35] <asfra> hmm, I've downloaded the package with firefox to my desktop
[11:35] <znh> Yagisan: I know the game, didn't play it last times
[11:35] <asfra> does apt get it from the internet or my download?
[11:35] <anacron> berkes: yeah, inkscape looked wonderfull when i tested it, but i need more time
[11:35] <znh> asfra: then it's located by default in your ~/Desktop/ directory
[11:35] <synd> asfra, from the network
[11:35] <sulkd> Yagisan, well, I'm one of the chosen ones that at a given moment will be given a crucial moral decision upon which the fate of the world is dependant.. so, my character may or may not trigger the end of days
[11:36] <Gourami> Hi all, if I restart cupsys and it exits with a status of 13, I presume there is something wrong right ?
[11:36] <synd> asfra, from the repositories, rather
[11:36] <berkes> anacron: yup, its mostly the concept of vector drawing taht is hard to grok
[11:36] <synd> asfra, you can do sudo dpkg -i then drag the icon of the .deb over to your console
[11:37] <synd> and it will automatically put the location of the .deb
[11:37] <asfra> ok! I'll try that. Thanks :-)
[11:37] <Yagisan> znh: I was hoping I could test out online play, as it was supposed to be fixed for linux.
[11:38] <synd> asfra, no prob.
[11:38] <znh> Yagisan: you could try to put-up a local server, and connect to it via your outside ip address
[11:38] <raptoid> selamlar.
[11:38] <Gourami> Hello, where can I get a default version of cupsd.conf from ?
[11:39] <Yagisan> znh: if only I could.
[11:39] <znh> Yagisan: why can't you?
[11:40] <Yagisan> znh: It doesn't like to run on my gateway system.
[11:40] <znh> does anyone know how that song is called "Lonely.. Iam so lonely, I have no body all on my own" with that extreamly high voice
[11:40] <Burgundavia> I need an ftp that needs login to test a bug, anybody got one that I can test?
[11:40] <Yagisan> znh: It doesn't show up on the master browser
[11:41] <znh> Yagisan: maybe I can help you with that, what sort of output do you get while trying to start it?
[11:41] <trevi> znh: Paul Anka?
[11:41] <znh> trevi: hm no, it's something shorts
[11:41] <nJess> my irc-nick is on google
[11:41] <nJess> first three hits
[11:41] <nJess> i hate my fame
[11:41] <nJess> stupid bash
[11:41] <znh> :/
[11:41] <nJess> bash.org = devil
[11:41] <Yagisan> znh: normal output. I think it gets confused as gateway also runs as a nat box.
[11:42] <znh> Yagisan: for the best latency it should be directly connected to the internet
[11:43] <Yagisan> znh: It should, but it can't.
[11:43] <highvoltage> does ubuntu support promise raid controllers with it's standard kernel?
[11:43] <Imsdle> when im trying to setup quasar, it is asking for a libpq.so in the /usr/lib/ director but there isn't any file. If i try to use the libpq.so.3 or the libpq.so.3.1 file they don't work
[11:43] <znh> Yagisan: can you connect to it it locally?
[11:43] <Yagisan> znh: do you use ubuntu packages or complie your own ?
[11:43] <znh> Yagisan: the time I played doomsday i compiled manualy on gentoo
[11:44] <Yagisan> znh: I'll try again in a moment. I'm syncing my repo with an update
[11:44] <znh> Yagisan: aight
[11:46] <Gourami> PLEASE can someone help me, I think I have made a typo in cupsd.conf and would like to get a unmodified version
[11:46] <rob^> tisk tisk
[11:46] <nJess> Gourami, where is the file located? i'll give you my local copy
[11:46] <rob^> always make backups first
[11:46] <pippijn> Gourami: copy the config, deinstall cups and purge its config then reinstall cups
[11:47] <asfra> It says that I need to install mplayer-586 first. I can do that. But is there a way to get apt to get these packages for me? or isn't they a part of ubuntu? when I write apt-get install mplayer I get the message that the package could no be found.
[11:47] <pippijn> Gourami: that is if you can't get a copy from someone else
[11:47] <synd> asfra, you need the right repos
[11:47] <synd> asfra, you need to edit your sources.list
[11:48] <pippijn> asfra: look for debian marillat
[11:48] <nJess> asfra, try sudo apt-get install mplayer-586
[11:48] <nJess> :/
[11:48] <asfra> ok, I see. So I need to type an internet-adress where it can get the package
[11:48] <pippijn> I don't know the address but google for debian marillat
[11:48] <nJess> just remove all the command tags
[11:48] <pippijn> nerim.net or so
[11:48] <Speedy2> asfra: You might want to use synaptic, it's a little more userfriendly
[11:48] <nJess> comment*
[11:48] <asfra> ok
[11:49] <pippijn> nJess: nerim marillat is not in sources.list by default
[11:49] <pippijn> not even commented
[11:49] <synd> synaptic still needs the right sources.list
[11:49] <znh> synd: I fully agree
[11:49] <Gourami> njess /etc/cups
[11:50] <IcE-bOy> hi
[11:50] <lucian> hello
[11:50] <synd> asfra:
[11:50] <synd> sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list_backup
[11:50] <synd> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:50] <pippijn> hi IcE-bOy
[11:50] <znh> sudo cat /dev/input/mice
[11:50] <IcE-bOy> i have touch /etc/init.d with update-rc.d and .. i have change the order of boot and other things, how can i recover it ?
[11:50] <synd> asfra: that should bring up your current sources.list
[11:51] <IcE-bOy> hi picole
[11:51] <IcE-bOy> hi pippijn
[11:51] <IcE-bOy> :)
[11:51] <synd> and will have backed up your old one, asfra
[11:51] <Gourami> nJess: u get that ?
[11:51] <nJess> yup
[11:51] <nJess> uploading now
[11:51] <Gourami> gr8 thanks
[11:51] <lucian> i can see everybody has something to ask about
[11:52] <IcE-bOy> nobody knows how to recover /etc/init.d ?
[11:52] <Gourami> not too sure what is wrong but cypsys restart gives me an error
[11:52] <znh> lucian: that's also a reason why IRC exists
[11:52] <synd> Gourami, always backup your .conf files before altering them
[11:53] <lucian> yes, but there are to many questions to answer
[11:53] <Gourami> synd: yeah will do
[11:53] <IcE-bOy> anybody can send me a .tar.gz from his /etc/rc* ? (from hoary)
[11:53] <znh> lucian: hmm, I find that all questions that have been already answered should be saved on some html page
[11:53] <skalpel> what should i do if no browser gets loaded when i click on the firefox icon in my gnomebar?
[11:54] <znh> lucian: then we could handle the many load, because everyone is reading that page instead of asking on IRC (again)
[11:54] <hyphenated> skalpel: open a shell and type in 'killall firefox-bin'
[11:54] <Gourami> nJess: tell me when ure done ok
[11:54] <hyphenated> skalpel: then try clicking the icon again
[11:55] <nadroj> does gaim offer a plugin that displays the album of the current track you're listening to as your buddy icon?
[11:55] <skalpel> k, thank you
[11:55] <synd> nadroj, not that i know of
[11:55] <synd> nadroj, try asking in #gaim
[11:55] <nadroj> ok, thanks
[11:55] <skalpel> hyphenated: jon@ubuntu:~$ killall firefox-bin
[11:55] <skalpel> firefox-bin: no process killed
[11:56] <Yagisan> znh: Back again. Just tried running two copies, using different ports on my main box.
[11:56] <hyphenated> skalpel: hmm, ok while you're in that shell, type in 'firefox' and see if any interesting messages appear while it tries to load
[11:56] <lucian> how can i install mp3-plugins for xmms?
[11:56] <znh> Yagisan: and how did it result?
[11:56] <asfra> ok, I got the sources .list
[11:56] <synd> !restricted
[11:56] <ubotu> well, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:56] <synd> lucian, go there
[11:56] <skalpel> hyphenated: (firefox-bin:20364): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[11:56] <skalpel> i think that is interesting
[11:56] <asfra> So here I'm supposed to add web-sites where apt can get packages?
[11:56] <Yagisan> znh: bit of stuffing around with the client ids
[11:56] <znh> skalpel: try running it as non-root
[11:57] <nJess> http://midnight-jester.csmn-ctd.net/cupsd.conf
[11:57] <skalpel> i did
[11:57] <nJess> Gourami,
[11:57] <znh> Yagisan: hm?
[11:57] <Yagisan> znh: They both just came up
[11:57] <asfra> damn, I think I need to buy a book on this install stuff
[11:57] <znh> Yagisan: they came up in the masterlist?
[11:57] <Gourami> thanks nJess
[11:57] <nJess> np
[11:57] <synd> asfra, uncomment the urls
[11:57] <Yagisan> znh: local connect
[11:57] <synd> asfra, as in take away the #
[11:57] <synd> 's
[11:57] <lucian> synd: where???
[11:58] <znh> Yagisan: ah, then it should also work on the internet, _if_ it could be accessed
[11:58] <Gourami> nJess: I get page cannot be found
[11:58] <synd> lucian, watch
[11:58] <pippijn> ip -4 neigh flush dev eth0
[11:58] <synd> !restricted
[11:58] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:58] <pippijn> what's wrong with that?
[11:58] <lucian> i'm watching
[11:58] <synd> lucian, go where ubotu said
[11:58] <asfra> Yes, I'm at it :-)
[11:58] <Yagisan> znh: well, port forwarding is correctly set up so that shouldn't be a problem.
[11:58] <Yagisan> znh: finally working doomsday on linux :)
[11:58] <znh> Yagisan: hm, you might want to try connecting to your ip address from outside
[11:59] <nJess> why is that called restricted anyhow?
[11:59] <synd> !synd
[11:59] <ubotu> it has been said that synd is a badass
[11:59] <znh> ROFL
[11:59] <znh> !znh
[11:59] <skalpel> should i just logout and login? it seems to be the xserver
[11:59] <pippijn> !pippijn
[11:59] <ubotu> znh: I don't know, could you explain it?
[11:59] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, pippijn
[11:59] <pippijn> hm
[11:59] <Yagisan> znh: will try that in just a second. Need to punch another hole through my nat.
[11:59] <pippijn> ubotu doesn't know me
[11:59] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, pippijn
[12:00] <synd> pippijn, znh: play with the bot in PM
[12:00] <Protoss> hello
[12:00] <Imsdle> igive up.. damn quasar! does anyone here use gnucash for a small business. if so what is it like
[12:00] <pippijn> okay
[12:00] <znh> hi Protoss
[12:00] <lucian> wth is a repository???
[12:00] <Protoss> how are you today?
[12:00] <trevi> I have and old magazine's cd with the sources of Corel WP do you think it might compile in ubuntu?
[12:00] <znh> lucian: It's a location that apt-get can use to get his packages
[12:00] <synd> trevi, what on earth would you want with wordperfect?
[12:01] <crus> can anyone recommend a good pop server for linux? is there any groupmail servers for linux that would allow an Outlook client to connect to it in a similar fashion to exchange?
[12:01] <znh> *silence*
[12:01] <pippijn> anyone knows about my iproute issue?
[12:01] <pippijn> it hangs at ip -4 neigh flush dev eth0
[12:01] <trevi> the important thing is if it can be done...
[12:01] <trevi> I guess
[12:02] <synd> trevi, yes it can be done with the right dependencies, i would imagine
[12:02] <trevi> he... thanks synd
[12:02] <lucian> isn't there a command like apt-get install xmms-mp3-plugin, to do it easyer???
[12:02] <synd> lucian, no
[12:03] <lucian> ok yhanks
[12:03] <lucian> ok thanks
[12:03] <asfra> by the way I got this when opening sources.list: '(gedit:9747): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[12:03] <asfra> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.' nothing to worry about I guess?
[12:04] <concept10> crus: check out bynari.net
[12:04] <synd> lucian, and make sure that xmms is pointing to the right mixer output
[12:04] <lucian> synd, what does that mean???
[12:04] <Protoss> asfra, why not?
[12:04] <crus> concept10: thanks, ill check it out :) looking to run my own mailserver at home :)
[12:05] <peter__> join #ubuntu-dk
[12:05] <synd> lucian, in xmms' preferences
[12:05] <synd> lucian, there is an I/O Plugin tab, iirc
[12:05] <nJess> how long should mplayer take to compule on a 1ghz proc?
[12:05] <nJess> compile*
[12:06] <synd> lucian, and under output, there is a dropdown menu
[12:06] <asfra> just hoping :)
[12:06] <lucian> how can i close a window? Load files has frozen?
[12:06] <lucian> and i can't find preferences
[12:07] <Protoss> lucian, xorg?
[12:07] <nJess> right click the program gui
[12:07] <lucian> yes
[12:07] <bobbyd_> hi
[12:07] <Protoss> lucian, hehehehhhehhehehehhehhehehhehe
[12:07] <lucian> don't laugh
[12:08] <znh> Protoss: don't do that
[12:08] <Protoss> lucian, gtk+ ?
[12:08] <avatar_> quick question, what is the default root password for the liveCD?
[12:08] <bobbyd_> we want to use debian for a server application we're developing because of it's stability. We also want to use graphical development tools under linux. Would ubuntu give us the nice graphical development tools with the stability of debian?
[12:08] <lucian> what's that?
[12:08] <znh> avatar_: I think you have to define on by typing passwd
[12:08] <lucian> Protoss: what's that?
[12:08] <Protoss> lucian, gedit(gtk+) ?
[12:08] <lucian> Protoss: what's that?
[12:08] <Gourami> what is the terminal command to delete ?
[12:08] <synd> bobbyd_, in a nutshell, yes
[12:08] <Protoss> ah
[12:08] <bobbyd_> synd, cool
[12:09] <Protoss> gtk+ ot gtk+2 ?
[12:09] <Protoss> or
[12:09] <avatar_> znh, kind of hard when i cant login as root :(
[12:09] <lucian> Protoss: take it easy with me
[12:09] <avatar_> znh, default user is ubuntu..
[12:09] <znh> avatar_: Aw, that's rude..
[12:09] <avatar_> znh, yes indeed.
[12:09] <avatar_> so someone should know..?
[12:09] <znh> avatar_: maybe http://ubuntuguide.org has listed it
[12:10] <avatar_> znh, will give it a shot.
[12:10] <Yagisan> znh: Nup. Couldn't see it on the master server. Yet I can clearly see it here http://www.doomsdayhq.com/master.php
[12:10] <synd> znh, please dont recommend ubuntuguid.org
[12:10] <synd> ubuntuguide.org*
[12:10] <Gourami> what is the terminal command to delete a file ?
[12:10] <znh> synd: how come? - It has good information
[12:10] <lucian> where is xkill so i can kill them???
[12:10] <Raptoid> help me pls..
[12:10] <znh> Yagisan: hm, then the masterserver is not fixed yet
[12:10] <factor> Hello everyone.
[12:10] <Protoss> hello,factorial
[12:10] <Raptoid> help meee
[12:10] <znh> Gourami: rm is the command, before using it I highly recommend you to read the man page, by typing 'man rm'
[12:10] <Raptoid> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-firefox_1.0.6-0ubuntu0.1_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/var/lib/mozilla-firefox/extensions.d/00classic', which is also in package firefox
[12:10] <Raptoid> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-firefox-gnome-support_1.0.6-0ubuntu0.1_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/components/libmozgnome.so', which is also in package firefox-gnome-support
[12:10] <Nikopol> quick question: Is there a simple way to trim both ends of an xvid file under linux?
[12:11] <Raptoid> help me ?
[12:11] <trevi> rm
[12:11] <factor> Hehe protoss :-D
[12:11] <Protoss> ?
[12:11] <Protoss> hello,faboccini
[12:11] <factor> The factorial thing...
[12:11] <factor> Fibonacci?
[12:11] <avatar_> znh, thnx m8 :)
[12:11] <Protoss> Oo
[12:11] <znh> avatar_: did you find it on that page?
[12:12] <Protoss> hello,world.
[12:12] <pippijn> hi Protoss
[12:12] <Protoss> :)
[12:12] <lucian> hellor ZERG
[12:13] <lucian> My life for Aiur!!!
[12:13] <synd> znh, the wiki is much better, and accurate.
[12:13] <synd> znh, please follow these guidlines: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[12:14] <Protoss> oh
[12:14] <znh> synd: sorry didn't knew, thanks for informing me!
[12:14] <synd> znh, no problem
[12:14] <factor> I wish I had a Linux friendly modem
[12:14] <dmoyne> hello ! ; I am trying to get some printers connected to a Linux server (CUPS) seen by a LAN Windows machine ; yerterday I sweeted a lot on the Window machine but in vain ; any body to help ?
[12:15] <Protoss> what is windows?
[12:15] <dmoyne> Windows 2000
[12:15] <Protoss> a linux clone?
[12:15] <baggins> hello.
[12:16] <Yagisan> znh: so odd. Can't connect to it, using the external address, but when I use the internal address I connect fine.
[12:16] <Madpilot> !uguide
[12:16] <ubotu> Madpilot: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[12:16] <Madpilot> !ubuntuguide
[12:16] <ubotu> from memory, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[12:16] <synd> Protoss, i believe it would be an os x ripoff
[12:16] <Yagisan> Protoss: windows is a reactos clone
[12:16] <Madpilot> there we go...
[12:16] <Protoss> I doubt it.
[12:16] <znh> Yagisan: also on your local network?
[12:17] <synd> Madpilot, ah.. forgot about that
[12:17] <Yagisan> znh: yeah
[12:17] <znh> Yagisan: they they blocked it for some reason, or you have to configure it properly
[12:17] <dmoyne> znh : is this question for me ?
[12:17] <znh> dmoyne: what question?
[12:18] <dmoyne> soryy I think you talkes to some one else !
[12:18] <znh> dmoyne: what client are you using?
[12:19] <dmoyne> I have 2 machines connected to a DLINK-604 routeur ; one (server) is Linux with CUPS the other Windows 2000 !
[12:19] <Raptoid> help me pls
[12:19] <Raptoid> see #flood channel
[12:19] <tikka> Help required over here guys::: "Testing Network Repository".... 50% hanging there.
[12:20] <synd> lucian, sorry.. no PMs please
[12:20] <Yagisan> znh: Thanks for your help. I'll investigate this further. At least internal netgames work.
[12:20] <Protoss> aye... so easy
[12:20] <eth42> hi! anyone using firefox & thunderbird?
[12:20] <znh> Yagisan: yea, np.. good luck with it
[12:21] <Raptoid> znh, help me
[12:21] <znh> Raptoid: give me one reason, and I will
[12:21] <znh> *giggles*
[12:21] <Raptoid> join #flood channel
[12:21] <Raptoid> znh,
[12:21] <Raptoid> paste
[12:21] <Protoss> eth42, mozilla is better
[12:22] <znh> Raptoid: I'm there, past @ will
[12:22] <eth42> Protoss: I agree, I prefer the user interfaces of Mozilla & Mozilla Mail
[12:22] <znh> Raptoid: you might have to apt-get update
[12:22] <eth42> Protoss: yet I think it's better to separate the components as Firefox and THunderbird do
[12:23] <eth42> Protoss: and in the long term, Mozilla is dead
[12:23] <Protoss> ph no
[12:23] <Protoss> oh no
[12:23] <Protoss> long life mozilla
[12:23] <znh> Raptoid: I don't have much expierence with dpkg, try with the --force flag
[12:23] <eth42> don't think so
[12:24] <eth42> there will be no release after 1.7.x, right?
[12:24] <synd> firefox is the future of mozilla
[12:24] <Protoss> I will wait for new version
[12:25] <znh> synd: furture aint the good word to be honest.. (whines)
[12:25] <eth42> furture ain't a word, anyway, to be honest
[12:25] <znh> factor: lol I have that song
[12:25] <znh> factor: you don't even have CD Quality :P
[12:25] <Protoss> what song?
[12:26] <Protoss> I perfer tape Quality
[12:26] <factor> Lol.
[12:26] <factor> It's ok znh.
[12:26] <trevi> and tomorrow lp quality
[12:27] <factor> 128 KBps sounds fine :-D
[12:27] <Protoss> tape quality is enough
[12:27] <znh> heh
[12:27] <Protoss> drm free
[12:27] <factor> And dial up is not conducive to downloading :-P
[12:28] <factor> But hey, I personally think it's just entertaining watching my playlist cycle around
[12:28] <factor> From CCR > INXS > Elivs > Willy Nelso
[12:28] <factor> Little non-sequitir there :-D
[12:28] <selinium> How do i mount a slave drive? I have created a folder /media/slave the drive is hdb1. What is the mount command?
[12:29] <znh> selinium: mount /media/slave <location> ?
[12:30] <Protoss> factor, I hate music so...
[12:31] <factor> Really now protoss?
[12:31] <Protoss> umm
[12:31] <Burgundavia> factor, please turn off your np stuff
[12:31] <Madpilot> hey, factor finally listens to something decent...
[12:31] <Protoss> I perfer free live music
[12:31] <factor> Lol madpilot.
[12:31] <znh> anyone seen a big bug? I do: http://isl33t.net/pics/IMG_1129.JPG
[12:31] <jules> hey guys
[12:31] <factor> Eh, I've been listening to NIN all day
[12:32] <Protoss> I can play piano
[12:32] <tikka> cool pic znh
[12:32] <znh> tikka: made myself in france this vacation :)
[12:32] <eebl> heyko: does anyone know how to change the screen res & vsync when chosing what image to boot on PPC ubuntu?
[12:32] <eebl> **Hey
[12:32] <eebl> stupid auto-complete
[12:32] <Burgundavia> ubuntu making inroads --> http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=712
[12:32] <stimpie> znh, I cant see how big that is
[12:32] <Burgundavia> see the changelog
[12:33] <tikka> sweet
[12:33] <Admin_> guys i have a little problem , the PC on ubuntu don't want to connect a Network Printer on Windows 98
[12:33] <znh> stimpie: how come :-D?
[12:33] <stimpie> there is no reference point
[12:34] <Madpilot> good night/morning/day/whatever, everyone.
[12:34] <Protoss> Admin_, so you can remove win98 right now
[12:34] <znh> morning Madpilot
[12:34] <factor> Hm.
[12:34] <factor> It's 5:40 AM here.
[12:34] <factor> I should've gone to sleep a few hours ago probably
[12:34] <znh> factor: 12:34 here
[12:34] <Protoss> Oo
[12:34] <Admin_> Protoss no i can't
[12:34] <eebl> So, nobody knows how to change the resolution and refresh rate when booting?
[12:34] <Protoss> you can
[12:34] <factor> PM or AM znh?
[12:34] <Admin_> there are programs Bookmaking
[12:34] <eebl> er
[12:34] <eebl> before
[12:34] <eebl> bootin
[12:35] <Protoss> do it
[12:35] <Admin_> that runs only on Windows
[12:35] <znh> factor: euh..
[12:35] <znh> factor: how do I see xD
[12:35] <skalpel> can someone help me with changing my identd name?
[12:36] <Protoss> /msg operator
[12:36] <factor> Hm
[12:37] <znh> eebl: awww you poor thing
[12:37] <eebl> lol
[12:37] <factor> In a happy way eebl?
[12:37] <eebl> its just annoying the hell out of me, every time I try to boot my screen gives me the ol' "Frequency out of Range" thing
[12:37] <Protoss> I must to have something
[12:38] <Protoss> now
[12:38] <eebl> factor: yes.
[12:38] <skalpel> obviously
[12:38] <Protoss> bye all
[12:38] <eebl> ciao praetorian
[12:38] <eebl> er
[12:38] <eebl> Protoss
[12:38] <factor> Ah.
[12:39] <znh> crying in a happy way is conflicting to other people errrrr
[12:39] <znh> w/e
[12:39] <factor> Lol
[12:39] <CoffeeBreak1> hi. Trying to install ubuntu on an amd64 with a SATA drive and it seems like the sata drive is not recognized. I modprobed all kernel/drivers/sata* modules without luck. Suse live does recognize the disk. Any hint?
[12:39] <tikka> use suse
[12:40] <Crafty-Catcher> Hi I wanted to setup a raid1 but i am having problems with booting and mounting /dev/md0 as / Errors are here: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/789 - Does anyone have a clue on this?
[12:40] <CoffeeBreak1> tikka: :) sure this is an official ubuntu channel ?
[12:41] <eebl> CoffeeBreak1: The sheer number of users should be enough of a hint ;)
[12:41] <eebl> And sorry, cant help you :(
[12:41] <znh> tikka: yea lol.. advertising for some other distrb is not very kind
[12:41] <tikka> lol
[12:41] <tikka> sorry guys :D
[12:41] <tikka> i dont use suse myself mind you.
[12:41] <CapSoft> lo folks
[12:41] <tikka> *tries to redeem himself*
[12:41] <eebl> Damnit.
[12:41] <CapSoft> how do i make my eth0 switch to 10baseT-FD on boot?
[12:41] <eebl> This is really irking me
[12:42] <CapSoft> mii-tool --force=10baseT-FD on boot?
[12:45] <CapSoft> does someone know how to put up eth0 at 10mbit while booting?
[12:47] <stimpie> someone got with vi?
[12:48] <CapSoft> stimpie, why vi?
[12:48] <CapSoft> why not nano?
[12:48] <stimpie> vi is the only editor available on my current system
[12:48] <podge> CapSoft: I think you pass arguments to the networking kernel module,,
[12:48] <stimpie> but iam having issues moving part of a line to the next line
[12:48] <CapSoft> how do i do that podge???
[12:49] <stimpie> like an <cr> in nano would do
[12:49] <podge> stimpie: I use vi...
[12:49] <CapSoft> stimpie, what is ur current system? just sudo apt-get install nano
[12:49] <CapSoft> ow ok
[12:49] <stimpie> CapSoft, current system is minix (yes i know not the correct channel)
[12:50] <toowoomba> why minix?
[12:50] <podge> stimpie: move to where you want to put the <cr>... type i, press return, then press escape.. then ZZ to save and exit
[12:50] <stimpie> podge, I wish to move part of a line to the next line, like an enter in nano would do
[12:50] <Crafty-Catcher> (2.6.10-5-386) Hi I wanted to setup a raid1 but i am having problems with booting and mounting /dev/md0 as / Errors are here: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/789 - Does anyone have a clue on this?
[12:50] <podge> CapSoft: I am looking for the instructions..
[12:50] <CapSoft> thanks podge
[12:51] <stimpie> podge, ok that does it thanx
[12:51] <CapSoft> why minix stimpie ?
[12:51] <puupi> hello! can someone help me with one question: im going to install ubuntu now, but i have windows already installed, i want to have them both, what to do?
[12:51] <Adross> whats this 'terminal' thing everyone keeps talking about?
[12:51] <stimpie> CapSoft, school assignment
[12:51] <puupi> i want to have windows on the other hdd and ubuntu on the other
[12:51] <CapSoft> puupi, have you got unpartitioned room?
[12:51] <CapSoft> dunno Adross
[12:51] <puupi> ive got an empty hdd
[12:51] <greg123> puupi...im just comming in to ask about exactly th same thing
[12:51] <puupi> for linux
[12:51] <matthew> Hey, i have installed visualboyadvance from the package manager, but how do i start it?
[12:51] <CapSoft> can be done puupi
[12:52] <factor> If you have two separate hard drives then just install it on that one
[12:52] <Adross> CapSoft: dammit, linux sucks, should be more like windows. Myah myah myah
[12:52] <CapSoft> matthew, go in command line and typ visu and then hit tab
[12:52] <factor> It will automatically detect your IDE devices and you can just install on the empty one.
[12:52] <puupi> ok, but can i remove the windows hdd for the time im installing linux, just because i dont want to fuck anything up
[12:52] <matthew> thanks
[12:52] <CapSoft> lol @ Adross
[12:52] <factor> Open your case and take it out?
[12:52] <CapSoft> lol
[12:52] <Yagisa1> CrafttyCatcher: Yes
[12:52] <CapSoft> lol @ puupi ever thought about ur MBR
[12:53] <CapSoft> and/ or bootloader?
[12:53] <puupi> if i dont have windows hdd attached while im installing....and i attach it later on, will my booting be fucked?
[12:53] <trevi> puupi: grub won't run windoze
[12:53] <podge> CapSoft: What network card do you have?
[12:53] <stimpie> puupi, most likely but that can be fixed
[12:53] <factor> GRUB won't have detected win 2000 the first time through
[12:53] <CapSoft> realtek podge
[12:53] <stimpie> you can easily add windows later
[12:53] <factor> I'm running this system on dual boot with win2000 trevi...
[12:54] <puupi> hmm ok, but the installer detects both my hdds?
[12:54] <CapSoft> you will have to configure grub manual to activate the windows boot...
[12:54] <puupi> and i can choose either one to install linux on
[12:54] <trevi> me too factor
[12:54] <matthew> CapSoft when i do that it just changes it to visudo
[12:54] <CapSoft> puupi, you can manage partitions while installing ubuntu
[12:54] <factor> Ah ok, the way you said that made it sound as if you couldn't boot into windows from GRUB
[12:54] <trevi> but puupi wants to take off hda
[12:54] <factor> Lol
[12:54] <CapSoft> matthew, you installed from package manager??
[12:54] <CapSoft> one moment
[12:55] <matthew> yes
[12:55] <puupi> does ubuntu have a bootloader which detects windows too?
[12:55] <matthew> grub
[12:55] <puupi> so i can pick which one to run
[12:55] <CapSoft> grub puupi
[12:55] <toowoomba> worked for me
[12:55] <puupi> okay
[12:55] <puupi> thx
[12:55] <puupi> ill go installing now then
[12:55] <toowoomba> never boot windows anymore though :)
[12:55] <stimpie> grub doesnt detects windows, or does it?
[12:55] <puupi> hopefully i can someday come back :P
[12:55] <Adross> stimpie:
[12:55] <factor> It does stimpie
[12:55] <trevi> see you when it done puupi
[12:55] <Adross> yes, it does
[12:55] <toowoomba> it detected it for me I think
[12:55] <puupi> bbl :D
[12:56] <stimpie> factor, I should try that sometime, now just let me find a windows machine
[12:56] <factor> Haha.
[12:56] <factor> I have it dual booting from one hard drive at the moment.
[12:56] <factor> 26 GB for Ubuntu and 90 for Windows 2000
[12:56] <deadzed> how do I install nvidia?
[12:57] <deadzed> I did everything like ubuntuguide said... but it dont work :( ... screen just stays blank
[12:57] <toowoomba> dead: ubuntuguide.org
[12:57] <deadzed> had to resotre xorg.conf and Im stuck now
[12:57] <toowoomba> works for me
[12:58] <deadzed> doesnt work for me
[12:58] <deadzed> I need to buy ati as weel I think
[12:58] <CapSoft> matthew, http://www.mameworld.net/easyemu/vboyadvtut.htm
[12:58] <deadzed> but still
[12:59] <matthew> CapSoft thanks
[12:59] <deadzed> would any pro's help me with hacking my box please.. cant start nvidia :(
[12:59] <deadzed> root@ubuntu:~ #
[12:59] <ghita> someone using xawtv cvs snapshot?
[01:00] <stephank> Hah, I can consistently crash breezy's metacity by unhiding the gaim window o_O
[01:00] <matthew> CapSoft that is for windows
[01:00] <CapSoft> matthew, vba
[01:00] <factor> Hm
[01:00] <factor> It's 6 AM
[01:01] <factor> I think I'm gonna go to sleep...
[01:01] <CapSoft> matthew, the command is vba
[01:01] <tanki> woo-oo! i have a unique hostname that inspires indinviduality and creativity
[01:02] <CapSoft> tanki, let me guess: HOSTNAME
[01:02] <trevi> tanki: SOUP CAN
[01:02] <CapSoft> podge, have you found it?
[01:02] <tanki> no i meant on irc
[01:03] <concept10> Sorry guys, I have to share this.. it is too funny to me: http://divinebluelotus.blogspot.com/
[01:03] <CapSoft> lmao
[01:03] <concept10> so simple but funny
[01:03] <CapSoft> you can
[01:03] <CapSoft> soup can
[01:03] <CapSoft> cannon
[01:03] <matthew> how do you install .deb files?
[01:03] <CapSoft> pkdg -i blabla.deb
[01:03] <CapSoft> if i remember correctly
[01:03] <concept10> matthew, dpkg -i package.deb
[01:04] <matthew> ok thanks
[01:04] <tanki> i didn't get the soup can reference :)
[01:05] <matthew> gnomeboyadvance depends on python (<< 2.4); however:
[01:05] <matthew> Version of python on system is 2.4.1-0ubuntu2.
[01:05] <podge> CapSoft: Not familiar with Ubuntu.. I will find it though.. :)
[01:05] <matthew> how can i fix this
[01:06] <tanki> podge, are you used to debian
[01:06] <CoffeeBreak1> so no one with an IDEA on how to detect the SATA disk at install time?
[01:06] <bob2> using caps is just annoying
[01:06] <bob2> and will encourage people to ignore you
[01:07] <bob2> matthew: whatever pacgae you're trying to install is not for ubuntu hoary
[01:08] <matthew> im trying to install gnomeboy the front end for visualboyadvance but there are now ubuntu specific packages on the site
[01:08] <bob2> well, the package yo udownloaded is not for ubuntu, sorry
[01:08] <bob2> CoffeeBreak1: please don't /msg me
[01:09] <matthew> :(
[01:09] <bob2> CoffeeBreak1: I'd try fiddling bios settings, perhaps you can make it emulate PATA
[01:09] <skalpel> can someone tell me how to change my ident name?
[01:09] <bob2> skalpel: the point of identd is that you don't
[01:10] <bob2> it's supposed to report your actual ubuntu user name
[01:10] <bob2> nullidentd and friends invent a random one instead
[01:10] <skalpel> oh really
[01:10] <bob2> why would you change it?
[01:10] <skalpel> can i change what they invent somehow? i am using nullidentd
[01:10] <liable> CoffeeBreak1: http://linux.yyz.us/sata/faq-sata-raid.html
[01:11] <Gourami> can anyone help me with sharing a printer on Ubuntu, I have read Ubuntuguide and modified cupsd.conf, I can get so far as windows how actually connecting to the printer, but I am getting thrown out with permissions error, I have set AuthType to None which should prevent this problem, any help please ?
[01:11] <tanki> bob2 is pretty useless, i think they leave it around for legacy reasons
[01:12] <podge> tanki: I have used Solaris, SUSE and Redhat.. so maybe Debian isn't my speciality.. but Ubuntu is now my Linux desktop..
[01:12] <tanki> i meant, bob2: identd is pretty useless...
[01:12] <bob2> yeah, I know
[01:12] <joachim> hi
[01:12] <bob2> I'm nto sure why irc networks care anymore
[01:12] <podge> tanki: I am a Solaris admin at work..
[01:12] <eebl> Oooh
[01:12] <eebl> It works!
[01:12] <tanki> podge, the reason i mentioned debian is ubuntu is based on it but it's a little bit more friendly to unseasoned users
[01:13] <eebl> it seems that the login screen (for some reason) isnt screwing up.
[01:13] <eebl> Yay
[01:13] <trevi> hi joachim
[01:13] <joachim> is there any way to make files you drag in Nautilus have translucent icons?
[01:13] <liraz> I am unable to get consistant fonts across my whole system. I.e: I have set gnome fonts to tahoma and disabled AA for all windows fonts but in thunderbird AA is enabled. In firefox sites only partly do some sites use the windows fonts(maybe %60).
[01:13] <liraz> I am having trouble finding the cause... any ideas
[01:13] <Gourami> can anyone help me with sharing a printer on Ubuntu, I have read Ubuntuguide and modified cupsd.conf, I can get so far as windows how actually connecting to the printer, but I am getting thrown out with permissions error, I have set AuthType to None which should prevent this problem, any help please ?
[01:14] <tanki> podga, solaris eh, i could never transition to it well because it didn't use gnu utilities and i guess i grew used to the gnu extensions added to certain things like ls -h heh
[01:14] <podge> tanki: Yeah.. Can you help CapSoft with his duplex question?
[01:14] <salil> how do you see which processes are running..??
[01:14] <tanki> podge, have you ever tinkered with x86 solaris?
[01:14] <tikka> ps ax
[01:14] <podge> tanki: This is why we have /opt/gnu on all of our Solaris machines.. :) GNU utils are great..
[01:15] <eebl> I've so gotta try solaris
[01:15] <eebl> on a sun box
[01:15] <eebl> I bet it'll make me drool.
[01:15] <trevi> drool?
[01:15] <bob2> even on sun machines solaris is a painful user experience
[01:15] <podge> tanki: We are running Solaris x86 on some of our production servers at work.. so yeah.. I've tinkered with it..:)
[01:16] <CoffeeBreak1> bob2: suse detects the sata disk without issue. maybe because they use 2.6.11 instead of 2.6.10. Sorry for the /msg, it's usually not inappropriate.
[01:16] <CapSoft> i am back
[01:16] <tanki> I don't think I've mastered linux enough to say, you know this posix-like enviornment is just holding me back, i need real unices
[01:16] <eebl> trevi: yep :)
[01:16] <podge> eebl: Stick with Linux..
[01:16] <CapSoft> tanki, shoot
[01:16] <CapSoft> ow lol
[01:16] <CapSoft> ok
[01:16] <eebl> podge: I'm actually on an XP box atm...
[01:16] <podge> bob2: I disagree.. Solaris on Sun hardware is fantastic..
[01:16] <CapSoft> tanki i have a network card which needs to go to 10baseT-FD at boot...
[01:16] <podge> eebl: or Windows..
[01:16] <tanki> CapSoft, um ok
[01:16] <bob2> podge: you like CDE and a BSD userland?
[01:16] <eebl> podge: ehehe :D
[01:16] <tanki> whatever floats your boat
[01:16] <bob2> CoffeeBreak1: perhaps; what does google say about support for your SATA chipset?
[01:17] <CapSoft> now i do mii-tool --force=10baseT-FD
[01:17] <eebl> CapSoft: why?
[01:17] <CapSoft> everytime i boot
[01:17] <CapSoft> otherwise i don't get an ip adres from dhcp
[01:17] <podge> bob2: I run Java Desktop V3 on Solaris 10 at work..
[01:17] <tanki> CapSoft, that's odd but yeah i think that's right
[01:17] <bob2> ah, old gnome then
[01:17] <CapSoft> it is right
[01:17] <bob2> the userland is still painful compared to GNU
[01:17] <CapSoft> but i want it at boot time
[01:17] <tanki> oh
[01:18] <CapSoft> so that 10 mbit is default...
[01:18] <salil> hey .. can anyone help me out with something... how to see which processes are running and get their pid as well..??
[01:18] <CapSoft> salil, ps -A
[01:18] <tanki> you have a few choices, you could just edit the network service script in /etc/rc.d/
[01:18] <bob2> salil: it'd be easier if you just told us what you're trying to do
[01:18] <CapSoft> or visual : applications -> systemtools -> process manager
[01:18] <salil> thanks..
[01:18] <podge> bob2: Well yeah.. some could argue that userland Linux is painful when compared to Windows.. (but we know it isn't)..
[01:18] <CapSoft> np
[01:18] <salil> no.. i wanted to see.. which processes were running..
[01:18] <CapSoft> aha
[01:19] <wijnand> salil: i find `ps aux` gives me more info that i could ever need
[01:19] <salil> thanks..
[01:19] <salil> gotit
[01:19] <CapSoft> i'll have a look tanki
[01:19] <bob2> tanki: adding it as a pre-up line to /etc/network/interfaces would be better
[01:19] <tanki> there you go
[01:19] <bob2> podge: except gnu is more or less a subset of bsd userland
[01:19] <CapSoft> how bob2 ?
[01:19] <wijnand> salil: another option could be to use `top` which will show processes and how much cpu time they are eating
[01:19] <salil> wo.... what is all that..
[01:19] <CapSoft> cd /etc/rc and then? 0.d till 6.d ?
[01:20] <salil> thakns a lot .. guys..
[01:20] <bob2> CapSoft: don't touch them
[01:20] <podge> bob2: I looked for options in the interfaces file but there was nothing about duplex?
[01:20] <CapSoft> how then bob2?
[01:20] <CapSoft> where is the interface file podge ?
[01:20] <bushwakko> hey
[01:20] <CapSoft> hey bushwakko
[01:20] <bob2> then just be quite for 2 minutes while I look it up for you
[01:20] <tanki> ./etc/network
[01:20] <bob2> you could read "man 5 interfaces" yourself
[01:20] <bushwakko> I'm having problems booting my suse with 2.6.11 kernel because of the sis5513 driver
[01:20] <CapSoft> thanks bob2
[01:21] <podge> bob2: heheh..
[01:21] <micampe> how come I'm fine with the hoary supported ipw2200 drivers and if I upgrade to the latest version I get the problems I was supposed to get with the old one? :)
[01:21] <bushwakko> it works fine on ubuntu though
[01:21] <bushwakko> and thats 2.6.10
[01:21] <bushwakko> what patches have been added?
[01:21] <bushwakko> in ubuntu that is
[01:21] <bob2> bushwakko: read the changelog
[01:21] <trevi> let suse rest in peace
[01:21] <bushwakko> where?
[01:22] <bob2> CapSoft: on the line after the iface thN inet dhcp, "pre-up mii-teel whatever blah"
[01:22] <tanki> check out the pman/pinfo package, it basically prettys up man files, makes them very lynx-like
[01:22] <micampe> bushwakko: there's an ubuntu-patches package or some like that
[01:22] <bushwakko> micampe, downloaded the patches package
[01:22] <bob2> bushwakko: /usr/share/doc/linux-image-2.6.10-whatever/
[01:22] <bushwakko> and read the patches file
[01:22] <CapSoft> uhhhhhhhhhhhhh bob2 you stunned me....
[01:22] <bushwakko> found the part where it patches the sis-driver
[01:22] <bushwakko> but i dunno if thats it
[01:22] <bushwakko> seems to be api changes only
[01:22] <bob2> ?
[01:22] <CapSoft> :/etc/network/if-pre-up.d$
[01:22] <CapSoft> there?
[01:23] <bob2> no
[01:23] <CoffeeBreak1> bob2: yes I need 2.6.11 (see http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/14/message/33461/flat) Is there a post 2.6.10 kernel image available somewhere for hoary? I could download a package and install it using a mounted usb key or drive.
[01:23] <bob2> 21:19:07 @ bob2 | tanki: adding it as a pre-up line to /etc/network/interfaces would be better
[01:23] <bob2> CapSoft: ^
[01:23] <CapSoft> ok
[01:23] <tanki> haha poor
[01:23] <tanki> bob
[01:23] <CapSoft> so i opened that file now with nano
[01:23] <CapSoft> and then?
[01:23] <bob2> CoffeeBreak1: no, unfortunately, and breezy is pretty broken
[01:23] <CapSoft> what line where?
[01:23] <bob2> 21:22:01 @ bob2 | CapSoft: on the line after the iface thN inet dhcp, "pre-up mii-teel whatever blah"
[01:23] <CapSoft> sorry that i am so noobish
[01:23] <bob2> CapSoft: please stop talking and read what I've said again
[01:24] <CapSoft> lol k
[01:24] <CapSoft> so i change this sentence
[01:24] <CapSoft> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[01:24] <CapSoft> lol
[01:24] <trevi> now bob is gettin' mad
[01:24] <bob2> no, frustrated
[01:24] <bob2> if you don't understand a specific answer, read it again
[01:24] <bob2> and again
[01:24] <tanki> bob is running solo in here, he's like a rambo but instead of bullets, he's throwing out knowledge
[01:24] <bob2> and then if you still don't get it, ask for help with the specific portion you don't get
[01:24] <CapSoft> iface eth0 inet dhcp, "pre-up mii-tool --force=10baseT-FD"
[01:25] <IceDC571> i love compiling from source :)
[01:25] <bob2> CapSoft: if , is a newline, and you get rid of the quotes, yes
[01:25] <CapSoft> ow ok
[01:25] <CapSoft> THANKS
[01:25] <CapSoft> didn't knew that
[01:25] <tanki> IceDC571, yeah I used to compile stuff from source and watch the screen and feel important, as if i knew what was going on
[01:25] <CapSoft> big thanks bob2
[01:25] <CapSoft> i have it now
[01:26] <podge> bob2: Good work.. thanks for the tip.. didn't know about up and pre-up
[01:26] <tanki> IceDC571, when people were in my room I would randomly compile something and have it run in a nice term in fullscreen, just to make them think I was doing something important
[01:26] <CapSoft> where did you found that info, in the man page?
[01:26] <IceDC571> i love how you try to guess when the make process is finished.. it just keeps going and going and going..
[01:26] <podge> CapSoft : man interfaces
[01:26] <CapSoft> i knew up since i had to do ifup --force eth0 everytime after the mii-tool thingy
[01:26] <CapSoft> thanks
[01:27] <podge> bob2: I was looking for something more like "duplex" etc..
[01:27] <IceDC571> if i was on a reality show all you would see is me, a chair, a screen with text scrolling constantly
[01:27] <bob2> podge: right, small tools ;p
[01:27] <tanki> IceDC571, haha yes but i think you and me need to go to a bar and pick up women because that's too geeky
[01:27] <podge> bob2: Although doing duplex on Solaris is pretty ugly.. :)
[01:27] <podge> tanki: Nah.. go to an Internet bar and pick up women..
[01:28] <IceDC571> ./configure and make love
[01:28] <tanki> no way girls at cybercafe's have bubblebutts hehe
[01:28] <tanki> oh and that's assuming you can find a girl at a cybercafe
[01:28] <CapSoft> lmao
[01:28] <CapSoft> are there irc channels for that?
[01:28] <CapSoft> omg
[01:29] <tanki> never date girls online because they're probably 40 year old virgins called matt who live at home and collect comics
[01:29] <CapSoft> whahahaha
[01:29] <CapSoft> good one
[01:29] <CapSoft> :)
[01:29] <IceDC571> you'd be surprised
[01:30] <CapSoft> someone knows how i can backup everything from thunderbird? my messages and adres book?
[01:30] <bob2> maybe #ubuntu-offtopic, folks
[01:30] <tanki> sowwy
[01:30] <IceDC571> #ubuntu-women
[01:30] <IceDC571> lol
[01:30] <IceDC571> too bad theres not enough
[01:30] <tanki> yeah come to offtpic guys, i know some great pickup lines that work if they dont smack you first
[01:30] <IceDC571> or any at all...
[01:31] <bob2> there are plenty of women using ubuntu
[01:31] <CapSoft> someone knows how i can backup everything from thunderbird? my messages and adres book???? any1?
[01:31] <bob2> perhaps they make their gender non-obvious to avoid lame discussions like the aove
[01:31] <bob2> CapSoft: presumably ~/.mozilla/thunderbird/ or so
[01:31] <bob2> just look through your home directory
[01:31] <CapSoft> thanks bob
[01:34] <podge> That would be a useful option in Thunderbird.. ie.. Tools->Backup
[01:34] <skalpel> i think i just had a heartatache
[01:34] <skalpel> how would you know?
[01:34] <CapSoft> the most 1337 command in ubuntu :
[01:34] <CapSoft> sudo apt-get install pingus
[01:34] <bob2> if you mean "heart attack", you wouldn't be on irc to talk about it
[01:34] <IceDC571> omg tanki i'd rather talk about geek stuff
[01:34] <skalpel> another new user. sweet
[01:35] <IceDC571> am i new?
[01:35] <ubuntu> am i?
[01:35] <ubuntu> ahak
[01:35] <ubuntu> default setting, hmmm
[01:36] <tanki> IceDC571, you know how much your code will improve when you get a girlfriend, it's like 10x the power of coffee
[01:36] <podge> skalpel: What is your medical dilemma?
[01:36] <IceDC571> tanki: more like decrease.. spending more time with a girl?
[01:36] <podge> tanki: YOu won't be coding if you have a girlfriend..
[01:37] <tanki> sure you will because you can't be with her 24/7 and you dont want to come off too needy so you will have to keep yourself busy
[01:37] <trevi> I better go spreadin'
[01:37] <podge> tanki: Too needy? errr.. hopefully she's jumping your bones as frequently as possible!
[01:38] <tanki> ok lets talk offtopic about this because it's a deep subject
[01:38] <tanki> come to #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:38] <ed1t> tanki, if u ask me, dont get a gf.....tooo much drama
[01:38] <podge> tanki: The kernel patches can wait.. hahah..
[01:38] <ed1t> one night stand
[01:38] <bob2> come on folks
[01:38] <podge> ha
[01:38] <bob2> try to maintain some human dignity
[01:38] <mevagh> hi all
[01:39] <podge> bob2: What do you mean?
[01:39] <IceDC571> i need a girl with tatoos that say dash ./compile make love
[01:39] <trevi> hi mevagh
[01:39] <bob2> jokes about "make love" are what I'd expect in #gentoo-teens ;p
[01:39] <rob^> IceDC571, thinkgeek might have some temp ones :P
[01:39] <IceDC571> or dash ./compile make love; fsck
[01:40] <ed1t> lol bob2
[01:40] <mevagh> could i get some help? sound isn't working for me an this dell (I'm setting it up for my sis, mevagh)
[01:40] <bob2> anyway, non-ubuntu-support-related questions -> #ubuntu
[01:40] <trevi> first you run apt-get install love
[01:40] <sJaM> what do you mean with sound isn't working mevagh
[01:40] <rob^> apt-cache show love
[01:41] <sJaM> ubuntu uses the esd deamon standard
[01:41] <rob^> mmm.. poontang
[01:41] <skalpel> i prefer apt-get install hardsexputthecremesaverinitthenlickitout
[01:41] <trevi> show is not enough
[01:41] <sJaM> so with XMMS and Beep Media Player you have to put output plugin to esd
[01:41] <bob2> seriously, enough
[01:41] <IceDC571> i think thats enough.. so you can just fsck love and make clean
[01:41] <skalpel> is bmp better than xmms?
[01:41] <mevagh> when using an audio player, the device seems to be in use.. and i think when i started esd from xterm it said /dev/dsp or whatever didn't exist
[01:42] <rob^> skallen, yes
[01:42] <sJaM> which audio player ?
[01:42] <sJaM> mevagh
[01:42] <bob2> skalpel: no, it's basically the same but with less plugins
[01:42] <IceDC571> skalpel: most people say yes, try it out for yourself
[01:42] <rob^> skallen, up to date toolkit
[01:42] <IceDC571> haha bob2
[01:42] <mevagh> realplayer, and mplayer
[01:42] <sJaM> with mplayer
[01:42] <bob2> (seriously)
[01:42] <ateves> hi! is it possible that maximzed windows cover the gnome panels?
[01:42] <sJaM> you have to add add the command line
[01:42] <IceDC571> try xmms first, if you dont mind how it looks then keep it
[01:42] <sJaM> -ao esd
[01:42] <ateves> i like to change it this way
[01:42] <jonnnn> hi
[01:42] <sJaM> or if you use the gui
[01:42] <skalpel> i hate the xmms ui
[01:43] <skalpel> but it is the only player that works well for me
[01:43] <sJaM> you have to select at the audio tab of Preferences the esd EsoundD audio output
[01:43] <tanki> i love xmms but i have it skinned nicely
[01:43] <trevi> hi jonn
[01:43] <skalpel> hi
[01:43] <jonnnn> i just install ubuntu but display resolution sucks only 640x... by default
[01:43] <skalpel> jonnn: edit xorg.conf
[01:43] <sJaM> I never used realplayer but you have to make sure it selects the esd output deamon for sound
[01:43] <IceDC571> skalpel: try bmp then, you have nothing to lose.. well you'll lose a lot of plugin support.. but who needs all those and all those formats anyway?
[01:44] <sJaM> does that work mevagh
[01:44] <IceDC571> actually im stupid
[01:44] <skalpel> icedc571: i would rather use rhythm box but it sucks
[01:44] <jonnnn> skalpel, what to edit in xorg.conf?
[01:44] <tanki> i also like xmms plugins, the one that converts mp3s to wav
[01:44] <IceDC571> bmp is backwards compatible with xmms plugins
[01:44] <sJaM> bmp is compatible with xmms skalpel
[01:44] <skalpel> jonnn: your display modes, and also your refresh rates probably, that is what i had to do.
[01:44] <sJaM> if you have both installed and running bmp
[01:45] <tanki> what's bmp stand for
[01:45] <mevagh> no, esd isn't running in the first place
[01:45] <sJaM> then most xmms tools work also for bmp
[01:45] <mevagh> ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:868:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[01:45] <bob2> tanki: beep media player
[01:45] <mevagh> that's when i run esd from terminal
[01:45] <sJaM> lsof | grep dsp
[01:45] <jonnnn> skalpel, display modes are "1024x768" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480" "640
[01:45] <mevagh> nothing
[01:46] <sJaM> so nobody is using the device
[01:46] <skalpel> jonnn: you will probably have to add is Horizsync and Vertrefresh
[01:46] <sJaM> and if you do
[01:46] <skalpel> and then add in the refresh rates your monitor supports, that is what i had to do
[01:46] <sJaM> sudo echo "Hello World" > /dev/dsp
[01:46] <jonnnn> skalpel, okay let me try
[01:46] <sJaM> do you hear noise from the speaker ?
[01:47] <CapSoft> does that work sJaM ?
[01:47] <Samuar> morning all
[01:47] <CapSoft> lol
[01:47] <trevi> hello Samuar
[01:47] <sJaM> well it should give noise
[01:47] <jonnnn> skalpel, I can't find any section of Horizental ....etc
[01:47] <CapSoft> lol
[01:47] <mevagh> permission denied
[01:47] <CapSoft> lsof /dev/dsp
[01:47] <sJaM> so even root havent permission to use the dsp device
[01:48] <mevagh> wait.. did sudo su then the command
[01:48] <mevagh> no noise
[01:48] <skalpel> jonnn: yes you jonnn: you have to add them in
[01:48] <sJaM> ok
[01:48] <skalpel> jonnn: let me see what section they go under, hold on
[01:48] <sJaM> then you havent the right driver I think
[01:49] <sJaM> you know the soundcard of it ?
[01:49] <znh> bah i'm forced to use aMSN, since Gaim gives reading errors after a while..
[01:49] <jonnnn> skalpel, if one change the monitor what he has to do reinstall the ubuntu?
[01:49] <mevagh> Crystal 4236b Audio
[01:49] <jonnnn> :)
[01:49] <mevagh> old onboard on a dell mobo
[01:49] <skalpel> jonnn: no, not at all. maybe just restart x-windows
[01:50] <jonnnn> even though i run the live cd on this system and it worked just fine for my vga and monitor but 1024X.. display resolution
[01:50] <sJaM> you should google to find the module for it
[01:50] <mevagh> did a google of the card and found a site about alsa which said all models of the crystal audio were supported
[01:51] <sJaM> yes but you have to have the right driver in your kernel
[01:57] <Flying_Eagle> is there a nvidia-wrapper (like in gentoo) available for ubuntu so i can play 32bit-games on my amd64?
[01:57] <bob2> make a chroot
[01:57] <bob2> or, if yo ureally care, just use the i386 port
[01:57] <puupi> hmmmmmm, i just installed ubuntu but it didnt boot to linux
[01:58] <trevi> hi puupi
[01:58] <puupi> booted directly to windows
[01:58] <puupi> hi trevi
[01:58] <sJaM> mevagh, I don't see your card at the alsa driver page (http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=All#matrix)
[01:58] <trevi> you have windows in fist site to boot
[01:58] <trevi> press esc when bootin'
[01:59] <trevi> then you can select the sistem that will run
[01:59] <puupi> oh ok, thx :D
[01:59] <puupi> testing
[01:59] <puupi> bbl :
[01:59] <puupi> D
[01:59] <mevagh> found a post on linuxqs for a CS4235 and did "modprobe snd-cs4236" works now :D thanks
[01:59] <Jeo> can someone help me? Im trying to install ubuntu on a amd machine with abit kg7 raid motherboard
[01:59] <sJaM> but I can find 4236b
[01:59] <sJaM> yes
[01:59] <sJaM> I was just going to suggest that
[01:59] <sJaM> modprobe cs4236
[01:59] <bob2> mevagh: add snd-cs4326 to /etc/modules and it will load automatically on boot
[02:00] <mevagh> thanks, was just about to ask if i should do that
[02:00] <sJaM> so you can put the esd deamon back on
[02:00] <sJaM> hehe
[02:00] <eebl> mmn
[02:01] <eebl> stupid work
[02:01] <mevagh> should snd-cs4236 be on any particular line in /etc/modules?
[02:01] <Jeo> can someone help me? Im trying to install ubuntu on a amd machine with abit kg7 raid motherboard
[02:01] <sJaM> no
[02:01] <sJaM> just on a line
[02:01] <sJaM> without a #
[02:01] <sJaM> on its own line
[02:01] <eebl> GOODNIGHT UBUNTUERS!
[02:02] <znh> night crybaby
[02:02] <eebl> znh: I cried happy rainbow tears
[02:02] <bob2> Jeo: just make sure you have "raid" etc disabled in the bios
[02:03] <Jeo> but i want to use the raid, i have to harddisks
[02:03] <Jeo> is it possible?
[02:03] <Flying_Eagle> bob2, thanks
[02:04] <bob2> Jeo: I'd be very surprised if your motherboard had a real raid controller
[02:04] <mevagh> thanks, night all..
[02:04] <ed1t> how do i format in gparted? i dont see format option in there
[02:04] <Jeo> bob2: what do u mean by real? ive used raid under windows and it seemed to work fine.
[02:05] <ed1t> im on live cd right now
[02:05] <Flying_Eagle> where are they living? in which timezone are you going to bed now?
[02:05] <bob2> Jeo: yes, it's software raid
[02:05] <bob2> Jeo: it's easier to just configure software rad in the ubuntu installer
[02:06] <Jeo> bob2: but performance will be less?
[02:06] <bob2> no
[02:06] <bob2> it will be the same
[02:06] <ed1t> how do i format an ntfs drive?
[02:06] <skalpel> use a hammer
[02:06] <ed1t> mkfs.ntfs /dev/sda1 ?
[02:07] <CoffeeBreak1> bob2: wrt kernel 2.6.10+ not present in hoary, what if I: get 2.6.11 or .12 official, install it from the console, go on with partitioning disk and installation, chroot, install kernel onto disk, update grub, reboot. That should work right?
[02:07] <Flying_Eagle> "<bob2> or, if yo ureally care, just use the i386 port" : do you mean, that 32bit-ubuntu is better even on a 64bit platform?
[02:07] <skalpel> how can i change the name used by nullidentd?
[02:07] <ed1t> bob2, can you tell me how to format an ntfs drive?>
[02:07] <skalpel> bob2: can you tell me why i am not using ubuntu64?
[02:07] <Jeo> bob2: so u mean even if i put in bios to use harddisk 1 & 2 as a raid 0 type raid. its still software raid?
[02:08] <LokeDK> Today when I booted, started gnome - it was looking all different hmm. http://loke.linux.dk/gnomemenu.jpg f.ex there's used to be a "border" around the selection in the menus, i haven't really done anything except I updated some ubuntu packages with the updatemanager
[02:08] <bob2> CoffeeBreak1: in theory, yeah
[02:08] <jonnnn> skalpel, thanks mate it worked :)
[02:08] <bob2> CoffeeBreak1: you'll have to do a lot of manual fiddling, tho
[02:08] <skalpel> jonnnn: you are welcome
[02:08] <CoffeeBreak1> bo
[02:08] <bob2> Flying_Eagle: no, it's not better, but it's less hassle if you want to run legacy i386 binary-only programs
[02:08] <bob2> ed1t: define format
[02:08] <jonnnn> skalpel, i'm not sure about if i added the correct hozisyn things for my monitor however resolution is fine now
[02:08] <bob2> skalpel: I have no idea why you chose not to install the amd64 port
[02:08] <skalpel> jonnnn: k, as long as it works
[02:08] <bob2> Jeo: yes
[02:09] <ed1t> bob2, like delete all datas
[02:09] <CoffeeBreak1> bob2: that's OK. I am used to that. It's either that, or use suse :) Thanks. I will report to see if it worked
[02:09] <ed1t> data*
[02:09] <skalpel> bob2: i am using an intel computer, does it matter?
[02:09] <Flying_Eagle> the more hassle, the more you learn :)
[02:09] <bob2> Jeo: if it was actual hardware raid, linux and windows would only see one disk
[02:09] <bob2> CoffeeBreak1: cool, good luck
[02:09] <bob2> skalpel: define "intel computer"
[02:09] <wims> Is there no flash plugin for mozilla that works with amd 64?
[02:09] <ed1t> bob2, its an ntfs drive, i wanna delete all data, format it
[02:09] <Jeo> bob2 in windows i see only 1 disk
[02:09] <bob2> ed1t: and put what on it? a fat32 filesystem?
[02:09] <skalpel> bob2: haha i mean a computer with an intel chipset. does that not make a difference?
[02:10] <bob2> skalpel: do you have a amd64-compatible CPU? ie em64t.
[02:10] <jonnnn> skalpel, is firefox 1.0.6 avaible via ubuntu repostiory?
[02:10] <bob2> jonnnn: yes, it's in the hoary-security repository now
[02:10] <skalpel> bob2: i really do not know.
[02:10] <jonnnn> bob2, thanks mate
[02:10] <apokryphos> How can you set the resolution/refresh-rate for the kdm/gdm login screen?
[02:10] <ed1t> bob2, put windows on it, so i need to have it as ntfs
[02:11] <ed1t> bob2, i dont wanna change the partitition type of the drive....just delete all the data from it, leave it as ntfs partition
[02:11] <jonnnn> skalpel, what you say if one have to demonstrate ubuntu, whch wm he should go with gnome or KDE?
[02:11] <jonnnn> i personally like kde :)
[02:11] <skalpel> i have used both and i prefer gnome
[02:11] <ed1t> jonnnn, gnome
[02:11] <bob2> skalpel: then you probably don't
[02:11] <bob2> jonnnn: np
[02:12] <bob2> apokryphos: by configure xorg.conf, but how much do you care?
[02:12] <skalpel> jonnnn: i used kubuntu first and then installed ubuntu, then i actually switched to the kde manager under ubuntu and immediately took it back, i hated it
[02:12] <jonnnn> hmm i'm wondering why Pat (slackware) drops gnome from his distro :)?
[02:12] <skalpel> bob2: guess not. so im okay with ubuntu 32?
[02:12] <bob2> ed1t: linux cannot create ntfs filesystems
[02:12] <bob2> skalpel: yes
[02:12] <skalpel> thank you
[02:12] <bob2> skalpel: "ubuntu i386"
[02:12] <skalpel> k
[02:12] <apokryphos> bob2: Noticed a lot of people in here ask, too; figured I could also document it on the Wiki
[02:12] <bob2> apokryphos: it's non-trivial and card nd monitor specific, unfortunately
[02:12] <bob2> it's basically a bug if X doesn't get it right autoatically
[02:12] <ed1t> bob2, how about fat32?
[02:13] <bob2> ed1t: mkfs.vfat
[02:13] <ed1t> thx
[02:13] <jonnnn> skalpel it mean you dont like kde?
[02:13] <apokryphos> bob2: Yeah, it doesn't. Have to set it to apply settings on KDE startup. It's just the refresh rate that it gets wrong, for me, actually.
[02:14] <Jeo> bob2: i see your point now thx =D
[02:14] <skalpel> jonnnn: i did, but then i used gnome, and now i do not =)
[02:14] <apokryphos> bob2: also means that when I logout, though, there's only a fixed portion of the screen shown (not the whole login screen)
[02:14] <ed1t> mkfs.vfat 2.11 (12 Mar 2005)
[02:14] <ed1t> /dev/sda1: Permission denied
[02:14] <ed1t> why did it say that?
[02:14] <bob2> apokryphos: ouch
[02:14] <nightswim> aer yuo root?
[02:14] <bob2> ed1t: you obviously need root permissions to poke at raw hard disks
[02:14] <skalpel> jonnnn: they both have their points, it is all about which you prefer
[02:14] <bob2> aka use sudo
[02:16] <jonnnn> skalpel, right
[02:17] <jonnnn> skalpel, i'm configureting this system to demonstrate "linux" to management
[02:17] <traxas_> hello, is there a way to tell the ubuntu installer program to use nv video driver? becouse it always chooses wrong video friver uppon install process and i can't see nothing..
[02:17] <jonnnn> what should you suggest me to do else?
[02:19] <djp> does anyone know how to setup emacs to download from a pop server?
[02:19] <bob2> traxas_: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:19] <Amaranth> woo
[02:20] <Amaranth> php5 is in breezy
[02:20] <Belutz> bob2: have you seen Seveas?
[02:20] <Amaranth> apache module and all
[02:20] <bob2> no
[02:20] <traxas_> bob2 no..i mean before the install process starts
[02:20] <Belutz> Amaranth: i can get PHP 5 from this deb http://people.debian.org/~dexter php5 hoary
[02:20] <bob2> traxas_: you can't
[02:20] <bob2> not simply, anyway
[02:21] <traxas_> :/
[02:21] <Amaranth> Belutz: Sure, if you want an unofficial, unsupported package.
[02:21] <traxas_> well, thanx for answering
[02:21] <bob2> just install and fix it later
[02:21] <bob2> then file a bug
[02:21] <gypsymauro> hello
[02:21] <Belutz> Amaranth: ic... is it ok to get packages from Breezy?
[02:22] <bob2> no
[02:22] <Amaranth> Belutz: Nope, that's worse than using the unofficial package. :)
[02:22] <alex__> Hello! I'm looking for a Linux's program like LC4. Does it exist?
[02:22] <Amaranth> Belutz: I'm just looking toward the future.
[02:22] <bob2> it'd be best to explain what LC4 is
[02:22] <Belutz> Amaranth: ic..
[02:22] <alex__> LC4 is a program for auditing password
[02:23] <Jeo> bob2: just curios. There are to variants of my motherboard. One with raid and one without. Whats the difference between them? Is it just a sales trick?
[02:23] <Belutz> Amaranth: my solution is to compile the apache and php myself hehehe
[02:23] <salil> quit
[02:23] <salil> logoff
[02:23] <salil> disconnect
[02:23] <Amaranth> Belutz: Aye, that's what I did, even on RHEL.
[02:23] <Amaranth> salil: /quit
[02:23] <Belutz> Amaranth: what's RHEL ?
[02:23] <chaps0063> I'm trying to configure minicom, how do I find out where my USB-to-Serial adapter is located in /dev/?
[02:23] <Amaranth> Belutz: Red Hat Enterprise Linux
[02:24] <alex__> The LC4 can crack passwords from the SAM file of windows. Does exist a Linux's program like this?
[02:24] <bob2> alex__: yes, not in ubuntu
[02:24] <Belutz> Amaranth: ic ic... what i don't lie when using apache from package, i can't customize the path, it will go directly to /var/www
[02:24] <Belutz> *like
[02:24] <bob2> you don't need to crack it, anyway, you can just change it, trivially
[02:24] <bob2> chaps0063: look in /var/log/messages after you plug it in
[02:24] <bob2> Jeo: more or less
[02:25] <bob2> Jeo: sometimes they have chiups to do some of the work
[02:25] <Slipaway172> how can i get in touch with the ubuntu development team
[02:25] <bob2> Slipaway172: for what?
[02:25] <chaps0063> thanks bob
[02:25] <Amaranth> Belutz: You're supposed to be putting things in ~/public_html like a real server. :)
[02:25] <Slipaway172> for advertisment
[02:25] <bob2> Slipaway172: advertisement?
[02:25] <Slipaway172> ( asking for a friend)
[02:25] <Amaranth> bob2: An LC4 program wouldn't work with shadow passwords, would it?
[02:26] <alex__> bob2: i have to look it, i don't wanna change it. what does "yes, not in ubuntu" mean?
[02:26] <chaps0063> that was it bob2, thanks.
[02:26] <sJaM> I know something like
[02:26] <sJaM> Jacktheripper
[02:26] <Belutz> Amaranth: yup... but i usually play in /www :D
[02:26] <alex__> sJaM: i've heard about it. is it good?
[02:26] <bob2> Amaranth: not directly, but can just keep hammering ssh with your guesses, and such
[02:26] <sJaM> don't know
[02:26] <Amaranth> This stuff is usually illegal though so...
[02:26] <alex__> sJaM: okey.have you got a link?please send me in pv
[02:26] <bob2> alex__: then talk to #windows or such
[02:27] <alex__> bob2:okey
[02:27] <sJaM> just google
[02:27] <bob2> compromising windows machines, while trivial, is off-topic here
[02:27] <tanki> Amaranth, not really illegal, just impolite
[02:27] <alex__> sJaM: thank you so much
[02:27] <sJaM> well it is used to crack passwords
[02:27] <bob2> and maybe not even trivial these days
[02:27] <sJaM> using dictionaries
[02:27] <Amaranth> tanki: No, using one of these to break into someone's machine is illegal.
[02:27] <sJaM> I thought
[02:27] <Yagisa1> alex__: Why do you want to look ?
[02:27] <gypsymauro> I need to set a specified password when I create an user in debian the useradd command has the param -p password that in ubuntu seems missing..any hint on how do this?
[02:27] <alex__> Yagisa1: what?
[02:27] <chaps0063> alex__: what is the problem?
[02:27] <gypsymauro> (in a script so I can't user passwd username:)
[02:28] <Slipaway172> nm, bob2 he wants to make a entire school ubuntu
[02:28] <Amaranth> bob2: As of I think Win2k3 none of these trivial SAM attacks work anymore.
[02:28] <tanki> i read the other day a hacker broke into a known spammer's national database and deleted all his records hehe
[02:28] <bob2> gypsymauro: no, useradd has -p on ubuntu
[02:28] <LokeDK> is there a way to reset the themes? it's all skrewed up i think
[02:28] <chaps0063> tanki: did you also see about the spammer that got beat to death?
[02:28] <bob2> Slipaway172: [email protected] would love to hear about it
[02:28] <tanki> yeah the russian
[02:28] <Slipaway172> and wants to ask about that. i told him about the gpl and the new edubuntu
[02:28] <alex__> chaps0063: a problem? i've not a problem!
[02:28] <chaps0063> alex__: with windows..
[02:28] <gypsymauro> bob2: I can't see it... are u sure ? man useradd
[02:28] <Yagisa1> alex__: why do you want to look at the password ?
[02:28] <sJaM> gypsymauro, useradd is also in ubuntu
[02:29] <bob2> gypsymauro: yes, I do see it
[02:29] <Belutz> bob2: i just told my lecturer to change the OS in the comp lab from windows2000 to ubuntu hehehehe
[02:29] <bob2> gypsymauro: sure you're not mixing it up with adduer?
[02:29] <bob2> Belutz: hah
[02:29] <tanki> chaps0063, they do things more progressive over there hehe
[02:29] <Slipaway172> bob2, thanks , i just forwarded the email to the person who wanted to know, thanks
[02:29] <bob2> Slipaway172: np
[02:29] <hondje> hrm
[02:29] <bob2> gypsymauro: also, you realise that is highly insecure, right?
[02:29] <hondje> is line 18 of hdparm.conf uncommented for anyone else by default/
[02:29] <chaps0063> tanki: yup...same in london...chasing a guy down only to shoot him...that would never happen in america.
[02:29] <Belutz> bob2: i want the whole student is get used to use linux... not just windows
[02:29] <gypsymauro> bob2: not of course , which version of ubuntu?
[02:30] <hondje> yeah, we can shoot, no need to chase
[02:30] <Amaranth> chaps0063: No.
[02:30] <Amaranth> chaps0063: Don't.
[02:30] <bob2> gypsymauro: hoary. I find it rather unlikely that it's been changed.
[02:30] <bob2> Belutz: that would be good
[02:30] <gypsymauro> bob2: yes but is for an internal machine and just for fun :D
[02:30] <chaps0063> Belutz: I work in a school district, we can't even get a linux server.
[02:30] <Jugan> i got everything working in Ubuntu...i'm a bit amazed. it;s definitely better than fedora. but i wonder...can i ever make my webcam work in ubuntu?
[02:30] <chaps0063> Amaranth: 10-4.
[02:30] <znh> Does anyone know a MSN client (not Gaim/aMSN) ?
[02:30] <Yagisa1> Amaranth: Those trivial attacks still work on win2k3, they just require extra work
[02:30] <tanki> chaps0063, heck i remember a few years ago two chinese citizens were caught hacking a bank to steal like 10 grand electronically and got sentenced to death, the judge let one of them go when the other offered to take the death penality
[02:30] <bob2> Jugan: does it have linux support at all?
[02:31] <tanki> crazy stuff over there
[02:31] <Amaranth> Guys...
[02:31] <Belutz> znh: gaim is good enought i think
[02:31] <puupi> im on ubuntu now :D
[02:31] <chaps0063> Amaranth: i '10-4'd you already, i get it.
[02:31] <znh> Belutz: gaim gives me reading errors after a while
[02:31] <puupi> tho i have no idea how to use this thing
[02:31] <puupi> havent used linux before
[02:31] <puupi> but i wanna learn
[02:31] <micampe> click around
[02:31] <Belutz> znh: ic... donno why, but i never encountered such problems
[02:32] <salil> good..
[02:32] <Belutz> puupi: :D
[02:32] <znh> Belutz: that's why iam searching some other
[02:32] <puupi> something is bothering me with this linux...how do i install things :D
[02:32] <salil> can anyone tell me.. if yahoo distribution is included in any of the repositories..??
[02:32] <bob2> puupi: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[02:32] <Jugan> bob2: i dont know...it's not written in the box. But im pretty positive that there's a way of making it work
[02:32] <puupi> downloaded some "binaries" and sources....how do i install those
[02:32] <puupi> ok thx
[02:32] <rkinder> Jugan: does https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras help?
[02:32] <salil> puupi: which linux distribution are you using..??
[02:32] <Belutz> znh: maybe u could try kopete, KDE messenger
[02:32] <bob2> puupi: you don't generally download random things like thta
[02:33] <Jugan> rkinder: ill check it out...thanks
[02:33] <znh> Belutz: will do
[02:33] <salil> no no.. dude.. i need yahoo. !!
[02:33] <Belutz> znh: :)
[02:33] <salil> other wise.. even gaim is fine..
[02:33] <puupi> ive got ubuntu
[02:33] <Belutz> salil: yahoo messenger ?
[02:33] <tanki> Amaranth, you're in london?
[02:33] <chaps0063> tanki: just leave that discussion for else where.
[02:34] <salil> yes.. yaho messenger
[02:34] <chaps0063> tanki: its off topic.
[02:34] <hondje> oooh, zimmerman is going to secure VoIP, that's some awesome news
[02:34] <tanki> chaps0063, what did i say?
[02:34] <chaps0063> tanki: that is the point Amaranth was trying to make.
[02:34] <chaps0063> tanki: we got off topic..
[02:34] <julo> hi
[02:34] <Belutz> salil: go to http://messenger.yahoo.com but i still recommend to use gaim
[02:34] <chaps0063> tanki: started talking about terrorism instead of sudo-ism ;-)
[02:34] <salil> really..??
[02:34] <julo> Is there an ubuntu or debian package for pyscintilla available anywhere ?
[02:34] <salil> why's that.?
[02:35] <Amaranth> hondje: mdz is doing that?
[02:35] <tanki> chaps0063, who started talking about terrorism?
[02:35] <Belutz> salil: yup... because yahoo messenger for linux is not as advanced as yahoo messenger for windows
[02:35] <tanki> i'm lost but ok
[02:35] <tanki> i just asked if Amaranth was in london
[02:35] <hondje> Amaranth: Phil Zimmerman, the PGP guy
[02:35] <Jugan> ok given that i can make my webcam work, is there a messenger for ubuntu that can allow me to do video conferencing?
[02:35] <chaps0063> nevermind, lets just drop it, Amaranth was trying to make a point earlier..
[02:35] <Belutz> salil: i tried YM for linux and uninstall it again :p
[02:35] <salil> yes.. that i know.. but i've just recently started using ubuntu and i don't know what to do with the .DEB file..
[02:36] <salil> it opens up as an archive.
[02:36] <chaps0063> Amaranth: I am assuming that you were referring to the topic of discussion between tanki and I earlier, correct?
[02:36] <hondje> salil: if you have a .deb, you can install it with dpkg -i <filename>
[02:36] <tanki> let it go chaps
[02:36] <salil> ooh thanks hondje
[02:36] <Belutz> salil: dpkg -i package.deb
[02:37] <salil> thanks.. guys.
[02:37] <salil> got it now..
[02:37] <salil> i'll try it out..
[02:37] <MAPD> edubuntu will rule :)
[02:37] <Jugan> does yahoo for linux allow video conferencing?
[02:37] <Belutz> salil: :) but i think you will go back to gaim
[02:37] <hondje> Jugan: no
[02:37] <salil> hey.. guys.. one more thing..
[02:37] <Belutz> Jugan: no
[02:38] <salil> i did mount all my filesystems.. they're in FAT
[02:38] <salil> but.. they open as readonly
[02:38] <salil> how do i make them RW..??
[02:38] <Belutz> MAPD: yup... i hope they develop edubuntu for college and universities too :D
[02:38] <MAPD> yeah
[02:38] <hondje> salil: edit /etc/fstab, and add 'rw' to options
[02:38] <MAPD> hope so :)
[02:38] <salil> i'm already thinking of using gaim.. ;)
[02:39] <hondje> like rw,user,auto or something
[02:39] <duckie> synaptic to install your programs..... solves all the depen... in one go
[02:39] <Belutz> MAPD: if they do, i'll be gladly promote it.... hehehehe
[02:39] <salil> its.. not happening.. i did add RW.. to options.. but.. only the root user gets access..
[02:39] <MAPD> Belutz i want to add
[02:39] <Belutz> salil: great :D hehehe
[02:39] <MAPD> ubuntu to a school
[02:39] <salil> i'm using in another username and i do not get access
[02:39] <MAPD> i wanted tyo promoted it
[02:39] <MAPD> :p
[02:39] <hondje> maybe add umask=022 to the options
[02:39] <hondje> I think that works with fat
[02:39] <salil> what's that again..??
[02:39] <Belutz> MAPD: great :D
[02:40] <salil> what does that mean..?
[02:40] <hondje> make your options column in /etc/fstab something like rw,user,auto,umask=022 I think
[02:40] <salil> you're not sure..??
[02:40] <MAPD> bob2 you there?
[02:41] <hondje> I'm not sure what you want...if you want to change ownership to you personally, and no one else, I'd put in uid=<yours> instead of umask
[02:41] <Belutz> !mount
[02:41] <ubotu> rumour has it, mount is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[02:41] <salil> great.. that's what i was looking for.. ownership..
[02:42] <salil> so you put.. uid.. !!
[02:42] <salil> lemme tr..
[02:42] <salil> try
[02:42] <hondje> ah, in that case the options are uid=<yours>,gid=<yours>,rw,otheroptions
[02:42] <rkinder> Jugan: does gnomemeeting meet your requirements? (not messenger, but IIRC, has chat facilities)
[02:42] <salil> how do i get my uid..?
[02:42] <doctor_salvia> hows it going guys?
[02:42] <hondje> with the 'id' command
[02:43] <bob2> MAPD: ?
[02:43] <hondje> if it's the default user, it'll be 1000
[02:43] <salil> thanks..
[02:43] <salil> yes.. it is the default user..
[02:43] <salil> do you think i should change it.>?
[02:43] <hondje> No
[02:43] <salil> okay..
[02:44] <MAPD> bob2 i was the guy Slipaway172 was telling
[02:44] <hondje> if that's the account you're using, that's what you should use...no security risk or anything
[02:44] <uber_newber> theres this little popup on my taskbar that says 39 updates are available, what do i do?
[02:44] <MAPD> about the school thing to contact ubuntus guys
[02:44] <hondje> uber_newber: click it? :)_
[02:44] <marc``> Hello
[02:44] <bob2> MAPD: ok
[02:44] <MAPD> bob2 so infor@*
[02:44] <marc``> There are someone who talk french?
[02:44] <MAPD> will work?
[02:44] <uber_newber> honje. thanx
[02:44] <salil> its not working..
[02:44] <hondje> marc``: /join #ubuntu-fr :)
[02:44] <bob2> MAPD: [email protected]
[02:44] <salil> its.. still locked..
[02:44] <marc``> thanks you very much
[02:44] <marc``> :)
[02:45] <MAPD> marc`` je sus portugaise
[02:45] <MAPD> :X
[02:45] <hondje> salil: did you remount it?
[02:45] <MAPD> suis
[02:45] <MAPD> :\
[02:45] <bob2> MAPD: it sounds like you want a corporate-y person more than a technical person
[02:45] <salil> yes.. i did..
[02:45] <salil> i unmounted .. and then mounted..
[02:45] <salil> but.. its still locked..
[02:45] <hondje> hmm...can you post the line in #flood from the fstab file?
[02:45] <MAPD> bob2 explain
[02:45] <bob2> MAPD: ?
[02:45] <salil> sure..
[02:45] <salil> just a sec
[02:46] <MAPD> bob2 i needed technical support
[02:46] <MAPD> :P
[02:46] <MAPD> help
[02:46] <bob2> MAPD: if you want to deploy ubuntu, you don't want to be talking to the people making packages for it, generally
[02:46] <MAPD> from them
[02:46] <bob2> MAPD: right, that address will be able to give you a quote, etc
[02:46] <hondje> can always get a pimp support contract from canonical
[02:47] <MAPD> bob2 ok thanks
[02:48] <MAPD> isnt there any place to get the dvd in iso
[02:48] <oscars> ghtre
[02:48] <MAPD> without being torrent?
[02:48] <oscars> u56u52w6yut
[02:48] <oscars> i4l ie78.;983ustrhyu,ktyjytl.jk eftqarwe234nhue,l u7346ki 6ul
[02:48] <bob2> sure...
[02:48] <bob2> oscars: ?
[02:48] <MAPD> whats .jigdo
[02:48] <MAPD> and .manifest?
[02:48] <Jugan> i tried to check the device manager and my digital camer is detected...it's identified as Generic Digital Camera and the vendor is Sunplus Technology...is there a chance I can make it work in ubuntu?
[02:49] <MAPD> i know now what .jigdo
[02:49] <bob2> the device manager will be pretty useless for finding that out
[02:49] <wijnand> Jugan: if not, get a cheap card reader and just take the photos from there
[02:49] <oscars> derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[02:49] <manfred> hi!
[02:50] <highvoltage> is there a ubuntu kernel that supports hyperthreading?
[02:50] <bob2> highvoltage: sure
[02:50] <bob2> install linux-686
[02:50] <highvoltage> it only picks up 1 cpu though.
[02:50] <hondje> Wasn't HT disabled for that silly security thing?
[02:50] <rkinder> Jugan: I think if the camera is detected fully, a dialog should pop up asking if you want to import the photos off the camera. At least this is what happens for my Fuji S5500.
[02:50] <MAPD> im a pentium M
[02:50] <highvoltage> i've installed it on a bunch of PC's and the hyperthreading doesn't seem to work (linux-686 package)
[02:50] <MAPD> should i get a different ubuntu?
[02:51] <bob2> highvoltage: in what way do you think it isn't working?
[02:51] <highvoltage> top only shows one cpu (i did press '1'), and cat /proc/cpuinfo also only shows 1 cpu.
[02:51] <wijnand> highvoltage: have you tried compiling your own kernel?
[02:51] <highvoltage> bob2: is there another way to test?
[02:51] <highvoltage> wijnand: yes, it works with my own kernel
[02:52] <highvoltage> wijnand: and with fedora core
[02:52] <oscars> werrrrr
[02:52] <oscars> kjoyuhutgji aer
[02:52] <oscars> j a tyset
[02:52] <wijnand> highvoltage: so if i may ask, what is stopping you from using your own kernel?
[02:52] <oscars> sj tyse
[02:52] <oscars> jysety
[02:52] <oscars> astr
[02:52] <oscars> j a
[02:52] <oscars> jj
[02:52] <oscars> rtj
[02:52] <oscars> j
[02:52] <rkinder> highvoltage: wasn't hyperthreading disabled by default in the kernel due to some highly improbable security hole with HT?
[02:52] <wijnand> oscars: i find you moderately annoying
[02:52] <bob2> highvoltage: you need a special boot option
[02:52] <highvoltage> wijnand: i need to install a big bunch of different machines, that won't be maintained by me, it needs to be an ubuntu kernel, if possible.
[02:52] <hondje> rkinder: that's what I thought
[02:52] <wijnand> highvoltage: yeah i understand
[02:53] <highvoltage> bob2: which option would that be?
[02:53] <bob2> highvoltage: ht=on
[02:53] <bob2> due to the securityu hole rkinder mentioned
[02:54] <highvoltage> bob2: cool, I'll try that.
[02:56] <hosler> Anyone know any good web proxies. I need one to browse the internet in this network.
[02:56] <pippijn> hi all
[02:56] <pippijn> what do I need to set up a mailserver?
[02:57] <wijnand> pippijn: kind of depends on what you want to do
[02:57] <SirOracle> Hi, I am trying to get Ubuntu to work on my Dell D610 laptop, at first X dont start correctly, it just goes blank. I found this link that might help: http://home.comcast.net/~canez/d610/. But when I try to start install.sh to install/compile the driver it says: "Compiler is not available to compile modules, aborting...". How do i fix this? I dont have X (yet).
[02:57] <MAPD> bob2 whats the difference between i386 and i686?
[02:57] <bob2> pippijn: you need to a lot more specific about what you hope to do
[02:57] <uber_newber> hello all, umm my little system manager said i had 39 uppdates available so i clicked on it to install them then just now it gave me a warning sayiing that i am about to install software thats not authenticated. and it lets me select: NOT AUTHENTICATED or TO Be Upgraded. then at the bottom of the page it gives me the option of selecting this little box that says download package files only
[02:58] <wijnand> SirOracle: apt-get the gcc compiler
[02:58] <bob2> MAPD: very little
[02:58] <bob2> SirOracle: sudo aptitude install build-essential
[02:58] <pippijn> well
[02:58] <wijnand> bob2: you'd hope it was more than very little
[02:58] <Lonix> hi all
[02:58] <bob2> a few new opcodes, guaranteed FPU
[02:58] <Lonix> i have q
[02:58] <MAPD> bob2 where can i find information (and if will go download the iso cd image it only says i386) i have a pentium M
[02:59] <uber_newber> can sum help me please
[02:59] <bob2> MAPD: get the i386
[02:59] <ben_underscore> uber_newber, so what is the problem?
[02:59] <pippijn> wijnand, I want to be able to send a mail from some webmailer to [email protected](my host) and look at it on my computer
[02:59] <Lonix> i can't login to my nis server
[02:59] <pippijn> so rather than fetchmail from the webmailer I want to get it directly delivered to my host
[02:59] <bob2> pippijn: install postfix, select local delivery only
[02:59] <wijnand> pippijn: do you intend to use imap or pop3? :)
[02:59] <MAPD> bob2 can you tell me where to find the difference pls?
[02:59] <wijnand> and also, go with bob2
[03:00] <bob2> MAPD: there is no difference in this case
[03:00] <pippijn> bob2, but if it is local delivery only I can't send mails from my host right?
[03:00] <bob2> pippijn: correct
[03:00] <Jelte> hi there... i'm trying to repartition and format a 512 CF card using fdisk and mkfs.ext2, but it keeps ending up as 473MB...
[03:00] <pippijn> bob2, what will it help then?
[03:00] <MAPD> bob2 in which can i find the difference?
[03:00] <Lonix> can u help me plz ?
[03:00] <pippijn> wijnand, pop3
[03:01] <wijnand> pippijn: you can send using your isp's smtp server.. trust me, that is a more painless method than setting up your own
[03:01] <micampe> Jelte: a file system structure takes space, that's normal
[03:01] <pippijn> okay
[03:01] <pippijn> wijnand, I do want a local mailbox though
[03:01] <Jelte> after using mkfs.ext2 if i then use fdisk again, it doesn't see any partitions and it says Warning: invalid flag 0x0000 of partition table 4 will be corrected by w(rite)
[03:01] <wijnand> yes but that is for receiving rather than sending mail
[03:01] <pippijn> not fetch mails from the imap/pop server from elsewhere
[03:01] <Jelte> micampe, that much space is normal?
[03:01] <pippijn> I want to receive mail
[03:01] <wijnand> yes
[03:01] <Lonix> anyone help me plz !
[03:02] <wijnand> so get postfix like bob2 said
[03:02] <rkinder> uber_newber: I get this message occasionally - not sure if it's an issue with the package signatures being out of sync. My usual solution is to wait a few hours and try again - things seem to eventually 'resolve' themselves.
[03:02] <pippijn> wijnand, with postfix I can receive mails to my local host from the internet?
[03:02] <mjr> Jelte, also, there might be reserved blocks there, and the CF card is probably not 512000000 bytes, which also reduces the apparent size
[03:02] <asfra> what do you do when a program has chrashed and you want to stop it?
[03:02] <mjr> s/not/not/
[03:02] <mjr> s/not//
[03:02] <pippijn> so if someone sends a mail to [email protected] i get it?
[03:02] <wijnand> pippijn: should, yes
[03:03] <uber_newber> rinder: so just wait a little while and instaal them little later
[03:03] <mjr> Jelte, you can tune the reserved block count with tune2fs
[03:03] <Jelte> mjr, according to fdisk the disk is 511934976 bytes...
[03:03] <pippijn> okay
[03:03] <Jelte> mjr, is the reserved block for superuser or something?
[03:04] <Jelte> mjr, oh well, if its normal, i'll live with it ;-)
[03:04] <mjr> Jelte, yes, for the superuser, and that byte count translates to 488 megabytes when calculated in 1024-byte kilos and 1024-kilo megs
[03:04] <mjr> so that's already the bulk of the apparent loss
[03:05] <lilliput> I know it's not really the place but I wonder if some of you could test a bot msn: [email protected] jabber: [email protected] , this bot is based on alice AI and is part of Turing Machine project
[03:05] <Jelte> ah yes...
[03:05] <Jelte> sneaky :-)
[03:05] <pippijn> wijnand, I did set up postfix but I can't receive mails
[03:05] <Jelte> thanks
[03:06] <Lonix> i need your help
[03:06] <MAPD> bye
[03:07] <Lonix> i can't to login to my NIS server
[03:07] <ben_underscore> bye kids
[03:08] <apokryphos> Hm, has no-one made a BreezyReleaseSchedule yet?
[03:10] <rkinder> uber_newber: that's what I do - it seems to sort itself out eventually.
[03:11] <hondje> anyone have ubuntu's default httpd.conf?
[03:11] <highvoltage> hondje: you mean apache2.conf?
[03:11] <lordfreak> HIiiiiiiiiii
[03:11] <lordfreak> how R U ?
[03:11] <tikka_> Anyone want to discuss audio, namely my audigy 1? its detected but i am unable to select a sound device for output
[03:12] <rkinder> hondje: yes
[03:12] <hondje> highvoltage: for 1.3
[03:12] <lordfreak> SomeOne can help me with FlashPlayer plugin in Firefox???? obbiusly on Ubuntu
[03:12] <hondje> rkinder: could I talk you into emailing that to me at [email protected]?
[03:12] <hondje> lordfreak: sure, do you have the multiverse repository added?
[03:13] <lordfreak> hondje yes multiserve and universe
[03:13] <State> apt-get mozilla-flashplayer
[03:13] <hondje> lordfreak: okay, then should be sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[03:13] <skalpel> how do i use an .rpm in ubuntu?
[03:13] <bob2> skalpel: you don't, generally
[03:13] <bob2> weo: what is it?
[03:13] <Morti> Black magic, pentagrams and rat's blood.
[03:13] <pippijn> skalpel, alien
[03:13] <pippijn> install alien
[03:14] <lordfreak> hondje State yes I install the plugin but the Flash files embeded in Webbrowser are not showing properly
[03:14] <pippijn> and read its manpage
[03:14] <Belutz> tritium: hai :D how r u?
[03:14] <lordfreak> Hondje there are some parts missed
[03:14] <tritium> hi Belutz. Doing fine, thanks. You?
[03:14] <hondje> lordfreak: like split in half?
[03:15] <Belutz> tritium: i'm great, thx... just submit my final project today :D do you work in purdue.edu ?
[03:15] <lordfreak> hondje... not like words,, or buttons not showeds
[03:15] <hondje> lordfreak: do you have a link to an example?
[03:15] <skalpel> pippijn: i have alien installed, now what?
[03:15] <State> hmm mine works
[03:15] <pawitp> alien -your rpm package-
[03:15] <lordfreak> yes I can Give you the link and My screenshoot
[03:15] <skalpel> k
[03:15] <tritium> Belutz, I just finished my Ph.D. here
[03:15] <hondje> okay, that would be helpful lordfreak
[03:15] <Belutz> tritium: wow... congratz :D
[03:15] <skalpel> is there a better slsk client than nicotine?
[03:15] <asfra> hi, can anybody help me here? I've used some hours now to install mplayer and xmms. But none of them plays either of my files. xxms just stops/chrashes when i'm trying to play mp3. The same happens when I try to play movies with mplayer.
[03:15] <lordfreak> http://www.paucasals.com/
[03:15] <tritium> Belutz, thanks :)
[03:15] <pawitp> then dpkg -i -deb package generated-
[03:16] <hondje> tritium: nice, what fiedl?
[03:16] <hondje> er, field
[03:16] <skalpel> i find the nicotine client to be very slow and full of buggy things.
[03:16] <Belutz> tritium: what major your taking?
[03:16] <lordfreak> http://www.paucasals.com/ in this link the left menu was made with flash
[03:16] <State> lordfreak i installed flashplayer-mozilla with apt-get and it works
[03:16] <tritium> hondje, Belutz Electrical and Computer Engineering
[03:16] <pippijn> skallen, read the manpage
[03:16] <hondje> yeah, that page works for me with flashplugin-nonfree
[03:17] <hondje> how did you install flash, lordfreak ?
[03:17] <Belutz> tritium: wow!!
[03:17] <hondje> :)
[03:17] <Jeo> bob2: Now ive disabled all riad, i dont even try do use software raid in the ubuntu install. And the installation program runs fine. The computer restarts, and when it should load the OS it just restarts over and over again. U got any aidea?
[03:17] <lordfreak> hondje... in all ways that I know
[03:17] <DanielC> Hello. How can I edit the System menu?
[03:17] <hondje> lordfreak: does flash work on other sites?
[03:17] <asfra> when I start mplayer I get an error saying: ' new face failed. Maybe the font path is wrong. Pleae supply the text font file.'
[03:17] <hondje> !smeg
[03:17] <ubotu> rumour has it, smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[03:17] <lordfreak> apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[03:17] <hondje> oh wait, smeg doesnt' do system menu does it?
[03:18] <Amaranth> not yet
[03:18] <DanielC> hondje: nope
[03:18] <asfra> doesn't sound to serious
[03:18] <asfra> do mplayer find the right codecs by it self?
[03:18] <lordfreak> apt-get install swf-flashplayer --> or something like thak
[03:18] <hondje> bummer :-)
[03:18] <Amaranth> only way to do that right now is by hand
[03:18] <DanielC> I don't mind editing config files by hand.
[03:18] <bob2> Jeo: eject the cd...
[03:18] <DanielC> I just need to know where the config file is :)
[03:18] <Amaranth> you have to create config files by hand
[03:18] <lordfreak> hondje... I have installed too from Installer embeded into the Firefox webbrowser... :(
[03:18] <Jeo> bob2: ive tried that
[03:18] <hondje> lordfreak: if flashplugin-nonfree didn't work, I don't know what to recommend, sorry
[03:18] <lordfreak> hondje and all the ways was wrong
[03:19] <DanielC> Amaranth: Where can I find the config file?
[03:19] <hondje> it works for me, so it's not on their end
[03:19] <Amaranth> DanielC: http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/ good luck
[03:19] <tritium> Belutz, thanks :)
[03:19] <lordfreak> hondje .... Ok thanks anyway
[03:19] <DanielC> Amaranth: thnks
[03:20] <tritium> Belutz, what is your final project? Where are you?
[03:20] <Amaranth> DanielC: I've spent months learning this thing and have a multi-thousand line library to help me work with it. Good luck. :)
[03:20] <Belutz> tritium: hmm Academic Information System for my campus, I'm in Indonesia
[03:20] <tritium> that's great, Belutz :)
[03:20] <hondje> I want to get paid to lie and trick people
[03:20] <hondje> So I think I'll be a meteorologist
[03:20] <skalpel> i want to get payed to kill people
[03:20] <skalpel> i think i will be a meteorologist too
[03:21] <hondje> 1) No performance expectations, 2) supercomputers
[03:21] <Belutz> tritium: now, i'm applying to be an IT lecturer in my campus. I wish they hire me hehehe
[03:21] <tritium> :)
[03:22] <Belutz> :)
[03:23] <skalpel> is there any way to change the name nullidentd uses to identify me?
[03:23] <erchache> hi
[03:23] <erchache> i install ubuntu amd64 on a opteron 252
[03:23] <erchache> but when try to make a fdisk to /dev/sdb1 where is a sata driver.....fails?
[03:23] <erchache> a 32 bit problem?
[03:24] <mjr> erchache, you want to fdisk sdb, not sdb1
[03:26] <erchache> yeah
[03:26] <erchache> includes /dev/sda where are installed system :S
[03:26] <erchache> mjr
[03:26] <mjr> if you're trying to ask something, I don't get it
[03:28] <erchache> no is my reply :D
[03:28] <crudolph_> HI, is there anyone using ubuntu in an NIS domain?
[03:29] <hondje> erchache: si prefiere, hay #ubuntu-es, pueden ayudarse en espanol
[03:29] <Bramme> is it thrue that Breezy has ALSA 1.0.9 ?
[03:29] <hondje> !info alsa breezy
[03:30] <erchache> hondje: si pero no hay nivel
[03:30] <Amaranth> !info alsa-base breezy
[03:30] <ubotu> alsa-base: (ALSA driver configuration files), section sound, is important. Version: 1.0.9b-2ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 121 kB, Installed size: 480 kB
[03:30] <mucknert> Greatings.
[03:30] <Amaranth> Bramme: So, yes.
[03:31] <mucknert> Is anyone in here able or willing to give me some hints on cups in Ubuntu? I'm kinda stuck with a problem there.
[03:32] <ZincX> i have loads of songs on hdb
[03:32] <ZincX> and its fat32 file system
[03:32] <erchache> well
[03:32] <ZincX> i was wondering if i can make it work on my system
[03:32] <godzirra> how do I get this package: libc6-2.3.2.ds1-21. Currently I have this one 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 and I'm trying to get bootsplash working with ubuntu.
[03:32] <erchache> i think fdisk fails on ubuntu amd64
[03:32] <selinium> how do i mount a slave drive, hdb1, how do i mount it? I have a folder /media/slave to connect it to, but what is the command?
[03:33] <mucknert> selinium: mount /dev/hdb1 /media/slave
[03:33] <ZincX> hmm
[03:33] <mucknert> godzirra: That's a debian-package. I'd recommend compiling from source.
[03:33] <mucknert> Anyway..
[03:33] <Jeo> seems like my hpt370 raid controller isnt compatible with grub, but maybe with lilo
[03:34] <mucknert> Jeo: apt-get install lilo ;)
[03:34] <selinium> mucknert: Cheers i was doing it the other way around! DOH!
[03:34] <Jeo> mucknert i cant even boot
[03:34] <Jeo> =)
[03:34] <mucknert> Jeo: Ew.. Okay.
[03:35] <godzirra> mucknert: ok.. compiling which... libc6 or bootsplash?
[03:35] <ZincX> mucknert, how do i unmount ?
[03:35] <mucknert> godzirra: bootsplash.
[03:35] <godzirra> umount /dev/hdxx
[03:35] <mucknert> ZincX: umount /path/of/mountpoint
[03:35] <ZincX> oiks
[03:35] <godzirra> that works too
[03:35] <mucknert> godzirra: Because compiling libc6 would be overkill. ;)
[03:35] <godzirra> I can imagine. ;)
[03:36] <ZincX> i dnt have to be root to mount .. rite?
[03:36] <mucknert> So... does ANYONE know how to get my cups in Ubuntu to create the page_log file?
[03:36] <pippijn> can someone look if xinutec.mine.nu has an MX record?
[03:36] <mucknert> ZincX: Usually not.
[03:36] <godzirra> I'm trying to find the bootsplash source and its not working well.
[03:36] <godzirra> ahh found it.
[03:37] <ZincX> mount: only root can do that
[03:37] <ZincX> it says only root.. shit..
[03:37] <tritium> ZincX, use sudo
[03:37] <ZincX> whats the command then ?
[03:37] <ZincX> sudo mount ?
[03:37] <mucknert> ZincX: Yes.
[03:37] <godzirra> crap. no I Didnt.
[03:38] <mucknert> ZincX: You can work around that by putting the device and the mountpoint into /etc/fstab.
[03:38] <slask3n> doesnt _anyone_ know how i can make my usb webcam load after my souncard so ubuntu wont kid around and set the usb cam as an primary sounddevice instead of the soundcard.?!?
[03:38] <ZincX> fstab is ?
[03:38] <mucknert> A file.
[03:38] <slask3n> ZincX: /etc/fstab
[03:38] <tritium> slask3n, try blacklisting the sound module for the webcam that you don't want loaded
[03:39] <mucknert> Blacklisting should work.
[03:39] <stephank> Uh, what about system->admin->disks? I believe you can setup mounts from there...
[03:39] <ZincX> mount: mount point /etc/fstab is not a directory
[03:39] <mucknert> ..
[03:39] <runge> hi is there good info on how to setup second nic in ubuntu? (is it just addning info to /etc/network/interfaces ?)
[03:39] <slask3n> tritium: but i need it to load so i can use the built-in microphone, but it must load after the soundcard..
[03:39] <mucknert> ZincX: It's a file you edit. Look at the syntax and you understand what I mean.
[03:39] <tritium> runge, yes
[03:39] <ZincX> hmmm
[03:40] <runge> ok. thanks tritium :) (again!)
[03:40] <tritium> slask3n, well, you can do the above, and then have a script load the module later in boot
[03:40] <reka> stephank: system->admin->disks?
[03:40] <ZincX> edit aen ?
[03:40] <stephank> reka: the menu item... atleast, it's here in breezy :B
[03:41] <ZincX> hmmm
[03:41] <ZincX> so wat do i have to do to mount hdb1
[03:41] <ZincX> /dev/hdb1
[03:41] <reka> stephank: hehe....so that's why i can't see it
[03:41] <cafuego> stephank: hoary prolly doesn't have it.
[03:41] <catolh> can i install *.rpm packages in ubuntu?
[03:41] <stephank> okay then :)
[03:41] <slask3n> tritium: i am a n00b, i dont even know how to block, and even less how to make a script load it afterwrds...
[03:41] <cafuego> catolh: No. Convert them to .deb first, if there is no .deb available.
[03:41] <reka> catolh: it should be avoided
[03:41] <catolh> cafuego, with the "alien" cmd?
[03:41] <cafuego> catolh: Indeed.
[03:42] <catolh> cafuego, ok, thanks
[03:42] <black13> how do you unset all the environment variables in the bash shell
[03:42] <reka> confirmation anyone?
[03:42] <rkinder> slask3n: I just put the module order explicitly in /etc/modules - solved a similar issue I had with a DVB card.
[03:42] <hondje> rkinder: thanks a lot, I appreciate it :) Someone told me #ubuntu is logged on the web, so I get spam paranoid :)
[03:42] <tritium> slask3n, to blacklist a module, append the module name to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[03:43] <cafuego> reka: Not really, with a conversion at least the package system knows about the files you installed.
[03:43] <rkinder> hondje: no worries.
[03:43] <Jeo> bob": how do i choose to install lilo instead of grub when i install ubuntu?
[03:43] <puupi> how do i install macromedia flashplayer to 64 bit version of ubuntu
[03:43] <reka> black13: editing ~/.bashrc perhaps?
[03:43] <cafuego> puupi: No.
[03:43] <cafuego> puupi: "Not"
[03:43] <Jeo> bob2: how can i choose to install lilo instead of grub when i install ubuntu?
[03:43] <reka> cafuego: ah ... but that's why you use checkinstall :)
[03:43] <tritium> morning, cafuego
[03:43] <cafuego> tritium: evenin'
[03:43] <tritium> :)
[03:43] <puupi> cafuego? is it impossible?
[03:44] <Jeo> or anyone else
[03:44] <cafuego> puupi: You can install it, but it will run badly. Best bet might be a 32bit chroot.
[03:44] <black13> reka i was thinking about env command
[03:44] <ZincX> mucknert, .. how do i need to edit this file ?
[03:44] <slask3n> rkinder: there are no sounddevices in /etc/modules
[03:44] <cafuego> when i say "run badly" I mean worse than normally.
[03:44] <puupi> ok
[03:44] <Jeo> how can i choose to install lilo instead of grub when i install ubuntu?
[03:44] <apokryphos> cafuego: aha! You're here =). I was wondering... is there a way to make ubotu display info on a *particular* passage when doing a !find {somepack} reveals multiple results?
[03:44] <eminem_crazy> hi
[03:44] <mucknert> ZincX: "How"? Just with a normal editor. Vim, Nano, Kate..
[03:45] <slask3n> Jeo: install with expert and youll choose lilo or grub
[03:45] <rkinder> slask3n: find out which modules are loaded for both the soundcard and the webcam - make sure the soundcard modules are put in /etc/modules before the webcam
[03:45] <reka> black13: well what do you know... 'man env' shows --unset=NAME
[03:45] <eminem_crazy> guy
[03:45] <ZincX> gedit
[03:45] <rkinder> slask3n: ie you need to add the modules to /etc/modules.
[03:45] <eminem_crazy> please help me
[03:45] <cafuego> apokryphos: if it finds more, just ask for '!info <foo>'
[03:45] <ZincX> aaah.. i get it
[03:45] <slask3n> rkinder: the webcam module quickcam is loaded last according to the /etc/modules
[03:45] <apokryphos> cafuego: nice! Thanks. :)
[03:46] <eminem_crazy> disk boot ubuntu
[03:46] <Jeo> slask3n: thx (svensk?)
[03:46] <rkinder> slask3n: but make sure the usb sound device (I assume it's USB webcam) is loaded after the sound card as well
[03:46] <eminem_crazy> I not
[03:46] <cafuego> apokryphos: You can also append the ubuntu version (ie: !info libc6 hoary vs. !info libc6 breezy)
[03:46] <eminem_crazy> ???????///
[03:46] <slask3n> Jeo: norsk :)
[03:46] <Jeo> slask3n: ok =)
[03:46] <slask3n> Jeo: men halvt svensk ;)
[03:46] <eminem_crazy> disk boot ubuntu
[03:46] <Jeo> slask3n: hehe gott
[03:46] <blackgbl> hi
[03:46] <apokryphos> cafuego: very handy. No use for packages.ubuntu.com now =)
[03:46] <slask3n> ;)
[03:46] <cafuego> apokryphos: indeed ;-)
[03:46] <eminem_crazy> somewhere disk boot ubuntu???????//
[03:46] <reka> eminem_crazy: we don't understand jibberish...do you mean you can't boot?
[03:46] <mucknert> eminem_crazy: Maybe you should start asking in full and legible sentences. ;-)
[03:47] <cafuego> You're asking a mad rapper to make sense? Hahaha!
[03:47] <apokryphos> cafuego: any other cool tricks like this I'm missing out on? :P
[03:47] <black13> reka crud env works with chroot i can make a chroot with almost empty env
[03:47] <cafuego> apokryphos: Undoubtedly ;-)
[03:47] <ZincX> mucknert, what is pass ?
[03:47] <mucknert> cafuego: Yes. I know. I'm fighting windmills.
[03:47] <apokryphos> heh
[03:48] <mucknert> ZincX: For most peripheral stuff, you can use 0
[03:48] <cafuego> apokryphos: dstats, for instance
[03:48] <mucknert> cafuego?
[03:48] <slask3n> rkinder: ide-cd, ide-disk, ide-generic, lp, mousedev, psmouse, sbp2, sr_mod, quickcam : this is the modules in order like its in /etc/modules.. but i dont know whats the soundcard and stuff
[03:48] <eminem_crazy> they somewhere has the record of boot of ubuntu to give
[03:48] <cafuego> mucknert: You need to be dutch to get that one ;-)
[03:48] <ZincX> its not peripheral ..
[03:48] <eminem_crazy> please
[03:48] <apokryphos> Nice.
[03:48] <mucknert> cafuego: Crazy dutch. :P
[03:48] <mucknert> So..
[03:48] <mucknert> Again.
[03:48] <ZincX> its a secondary hdd where ive got all my stuff
[03:48] <ZincX> so i can put 0 right ?
[03:48] <highvoltage> crazy is someone calling themself hondje ;)
[03:48] <rkinder> slask3n: do an lsmod - you'll have to figure out the sound card module to put at the top of the /etc/modules file.
[03:48] <mucknert> Is there any way, CUPS in Ubuntu will give me my page_log?
[03:49] <cafuego> eminem_crazy: We do not understand your question.
[03:49] <mucknert> ZincX: Yes.
[03:49] <cafuego> highvoltage: As long as he fetches clogs...
[03:49] <ZincX> and then i save the file...
[03:49] <catolh> how do i exit X completely?
[03:49] <ZincX> then what?
[03:49] <hondje> I should /nick snoodaard
[03:49] <catolh> i tried init 3, but it didnt work
[03:49] <smbh> hey guys, how do I reconfigure x in 5.04?
[03:49] <Jeo> slask3n: suddenly i got a lot of options tochoose form ... like to many :PPPP
[03:49] <eminem_crazy> disk boot ubuntu
[03:49] <rkinder> catolh: upgrade to breezy
[03:50] <cafuego> dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg
[03:50] <eminem_crazy> give me
[03:50] <cafuego> rkinder: NO!
[03:50] <catolh> rkinder, is that really necesarry?
[03:50] <smbh> thanks
[03:50] <cafuego> catolh: No, breezy is broken.
[03:50] <catolh> oh..
[03:50] <rkinder> catolh: just kidding - it will however kill your X server.
[03:50] <eminem_crazy> I want to install ubuntu in my PC more I obtain to give boot for the compact disc.
[03:50] <catolh> cafuego, but, do you know how i exit X completely?
[03:50] <reka> sudo /etc/init.d gdm stop
[03:50] <cafuego> catolh: ctl-alt-F1, login, sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop
[03:50] <reka> then ctrl+alt+backspace iirc
[03:51] <catolh> cafuego, thanks
[03:51] <hondje> eminem_crazy: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/
[03:51] <tritium> eminem_crazy, hard to be sure what you're asking, but perhaps you want to go into your BIOS settings and enable booting from CD
[03:51] <slask3n> Jeo: can i PM you? and we can speak norwish? :P
[03:51] <ZincX> mucknert, i save this and then ?
[03:51] <cafuego> catolh: if you don't want it to start at bootup, install rcconf and run 'sudo rcconf'.
[03:51] <Jeo> slask3n: sure
[03:51] <MartenH> How can I launch the filemanager from the terminal?
[03:51] <eminem_crazy> i'm brasilian
[03:51] <mucknert> ZincX: After a reboot (reparsing fstab), you will be able to mount this medium without being root.
[03:51] <eminem_crazy> no talk
[03:51] <mucknert> ZincX: If you did it right, of course. :)
[03:52] <cafuego> eminem_crazy: if you have an install cd, make sure the pc will boot from the CD. Check the bios.
[03:52] <eminem_crazy> great english
[03:52] <cafuego> !br
[03:52] <ubotu> cafuego: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[03:52] <apokryphos> cafuego: oh, another question. How can you make him give a certain reply to a particular message? Without like x is at http://y.com
[03:52] <reka> MartenH: nautilus
[03:52] <cafuego> !pt
[03:52] <ubotu> cafuego: Are you smoking crack?
[03:52] <cafuego> dammit
[03:52] <ZincX> mucknert, k ... lemme try
[03:52] <cafuego> .j ubuntu-#br
[03:52] <cafuego> nothing...
[03:52] <mucknert> ubuntu-#de
[03:52] <MartenH> reka: ty
[03:52] <hondje> eminem_crazy: #ubuntu-pt
[03:52] <mucknert> Er.
[03:52] <mucknert> *sheesh*
[03:52] <hondje> oh hey, a -br!
[03:52] <ZincX> k.. beb
[03:53] <eminem_crazy> e exempts me of bad windowns
[03:53] <asfra> Jeo: u can choose it when installing
[03:53] <eminem_crazy> kkkkkkkk
[03:53] <eminem_crazy> windownsgarbage
[03:53] <cafuego> !br
[03:53] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-pt (/j #ubuntu-pt) para ajuda em portugues.
[03:53] <eminem_crazy> kkkkkkkkkkk
[03:53] <eminem_crazy> kkkkkkkkk
[03:54] <eminem_crazy> alquem fala portuques ai???
[03:54] <hondje> no
[03:54] <cafuego> nao falo portugues
[03:54] <bob2> eminem_crazy: try #ubuntu-br
[03:55] <godzirra> mucknert: Well... the bootsplash howto I'm reading had me do some stuff, and I get a framebuffer in my consoel now (i.e. console is 1024x768 instead of 640x480 on my laptop) but no boot image actually shows up.
[03:55] <mucknert> godzirra: AFAIR, you need to patch the kernel, too.
[03:56] <mucknert> erm.. AFAIK.
[03:56] <godzirra> I did,.
[03:56] <mucknert> godzirra: Because, at least in hoary, there is no patch in the "normal" Kernelimages.
[03:56] <godzirra> with the patch from bootsplash.de
[03:56] <mucknert> Oh.
[03:56] <mucknert> I see.
[03:56] <mucknert> You need to recompile it, too. ;=
[03:56] <mucknert> ;)
[03:56] <godzirra> I did that too :)
[03:56] <godzirra> oh crap.
[03:56] <godzirra> I did recompile it...
[03:56] <godzirra> then ignored it. :p
[03:56] <godzirra> and booted the original kernel
[03:56] <godzirra> lol
[03:56] <mucknert> Heh.
[03:57] <mucknert> Well.
[03:57] <godzirra> how do I make an initrd image for the new kernel I made?
[03:57] <mucknert> There you got your problem. ;)
[03:57] <godzirra> :)
[03:57] <mucknert> I always compiled initrd support out of my kernel.
[03:57] <godzirra> Well, I need it for bootsplash
[03:57] <neoliminal> hello world
[03:58] <godzirra> There are so many geeky things I can say... but I just wont.
[03:58] <apokryphos> document.write("Hello World")
[03:58] <apokryphos> neoliminal: hi :)
[03:58] <godzirra> echo "Hello world"
[03:58] <rkinder> neoliminal: hi
[03:58] <neoliminal> My question involves laptops.
[03:58] <black13> has anyone build an ubuntu chroot on different system say gentoo or mandrake?
[03:58] <godzirra> ugh. run away.
[03:58] <neoliminal> anyone interested?
[03:58] <godzirra> neoliminal: just ask.
[03:58] <ZincX> it said there was no mount point
[03:58] <ZincX> how do i creat mount point ?
[03:58] <godzirra> neoliminal: don't ask if you can ask.
[03:58] <apokryphos> neoliminal: ask, and you'll see.
[03:59] <godzirra> ZincX: mkdir mountpoint
[03:59] <neoliminal> Ok, Mine died. I want a new. What is the best value laptop for ubuntu?
[03:59] <godzirra> oh.
[03:59] <ZincX> godzirra, as in mkdir /media/xtras ?
[03:59] <godzirra> sure, if thats the directories you want.
[03:59] <ZincX> k
[04:00] <HWolf> neoliminal: just get yourself one of the big makes. HP/ibm/dell/toshiba. ubuntu is working to make sure they work on all recent major vendor laptops
[04:00] <rkinder> neoliminal: don't know about value, but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops is definitely worth browsing through...
[04:00] <godzirra> I'd suggest not going with sony.
[04:00] <godzirra> I have one and its kind of a pain in the ass.
[04:00] <neoliminal> rkinder: thank you
[04:00] <ZincX> godzirra, so if the file system of hdb1 is fat32 .. then ill have to put that as the file system right ?
[04:00] <reka> godzirra: but it's purdy-looking
[04:01] <godzirra> I had an ibm and I absolutely loved it.
[04:01] <asfra> can anybody help med play mp3's?
[04:01] <neoliminal> godzirra: I agree
[04:01] <godzirra> reka: heh. yes it is.
[04:01] <rkinder> neoliminal: if it helps, I'm running a T40 with little issues (wireless Cisco card even works), hibernate works out of the box, just can't seem to get the pesky IR port working...
[04:01] <HWolf> godzirra: ibm rocks, expensive tho...
[04:01] <godzirra> My thinkpad was great, and I had a dell and it was great too.
[04:01] <godzirra> HWolf: yeah.. there's always a price for quality.
[04:01] <rkinder> Thinkpad: avoid T3X models like the plague
[04:01] <godzirra> I'd stay away from compaq and I never really liked toshiba either.
[04:01] <HWolf> godzirra: well, ibm doesn't produce it's own laptops. You're buying support and slightly better casing, perhaps
[04:01] <Sp4rKy> hi
[04:01] <rkinder> I had 7 T30's before I gave up and went to a T40
[04:01] <neoliminal> I know I'm an weirddo, but I was hoping for something *without* a touch pad.
[04:02] <reka> godzirra: yes, i've read much of the same ... ibm are reliable albeit expensive, sony are "shiny" yet apparently problematic.
[04:02] <reka> godzirra: thoughts on hp and dell?
[04:02] <HWolf> neoliminal: try to stay away from anything with an integrated ati gpu too.
[04:02] <rkinder> neoliminal: touchpads give me the shits too. I'm sure they can be disabled in the X config though???
[04:02] <neoliminal> the machine that just died was an IMB T23
[04:02] <Slipaway172> does ubuntu support the portuguese language ?
[04:02] <godzirra> I'm fine with hp as long as its not really a compaq that says "Hp" on it. I had a dell for about 4 years and I loved it.
[04:02] <paulproteus> Slipaway172: I think so.
[04:02] <HWolf> Slipaway172: it should
[04:02] <rkinder> T23 - good vintage that.
[04:02] <cafuego> reka: Both are cheap, but that doesn't make "good value".
[04:02] <godzirra> I avoid compaq like the plague.
[04:02] <HWolf> me too
[04:02] <HWolf> :)
[04:02] <cafuego> I have 4 dead Dells that say avoid Dell.
[04:03] <Slipaway172> thanks, im asking that question for a friend
[04:03] <reka> cafuego: interesting
[04:03] <neoliminal> rkinder: HD died for the second time.
[04:03] <neoliminal> over heating
[04:03] <godzirra> Actually.. I met unknowingly walk into a city where people have the plague... I go out of my way to make sure that any computer I buy isn't a compaq :)_
[04:03] <Slipaway172> cafuego, lol
[04:03] <godzirra> I'm saving up for a new one.. I want a nice ibook.
[04:03] <godzirra> s/met/might/
[04:03] <neoliminal> I have about $1000 to spend
[04:03] <cafuego> if you don't want Ubuntu I'd say get a 12" iBook
[04:03] <godzirra> god I'm horible today.
[04:03] <rkinder> neoliminal: how old was the machine though - must be a few years old now...
[04:03] <Slipaway172> ive only had a bad cpu, mobo, hdd
[04:03] <godzirra> neoliminal: ARE you set on an x86 box?
[04:03] <HWolf> cafuego: I've got a dell 24" monitor that says dell rules. :)
[04:03] <godzirra> HWolf: its really sony :)
[04:03] <Slipaway172> and video card
[04:03] <neoliminal> rkinder:very old
[04:03] <godzirra> all dell's monitors are.
[04:04] <HWolf> godzirra: it's samsung. ;)
[04:04] <cafuego> HWolf: That's just a rebadged trinitron. Gateway and Apple had those too.
[04:04] <Jeo> im happy with mine 21" dell
[04:04] <Jeo> =)
[04:04] <godzirra> neoliminal: are you set on an "intel" box actually is a better question.
[04:04] <godzirra> HWolf: ahh... I thought they were still all sony. Mine is :)
[04:04] <godzirra> I only have a 21" though
[04:04] <HWolf> godzirra: it's tft
[04:04] <godzirra> tft?
[04:04] <reka> godzirra: *cough* aren't apple moving to intel?
[04:04] <neoliminal> well if Party Poker had a mac client... I'd be all over a mac
[04:04] <godzirra> I know I should know what that means, but I dont remember.
[04:04] <godzirra> reka: Yeah... thats why I need to buy one soon :)
[04:05] <HWolf> godzirra: flatpanel
[04:05] <godzirra> ah ok
[04:05] <godzirra> lcd?
[04:05] <HWolf> reka: right, they're moving
[04:05] <HWolf> godzirra: yup
[04:05] <godzirra> Damn.
[04:05] <godzirra> Wanna be my sugardaddy? lol
[04:05] <neoliminal> I can't seem to find a dell laptop without a touchpad.
[04:05] <godzirra> I wish I could afford a 24" lcd.
[04:05] <neoliminal> are IBM the only ones that make laptops without touchpads?
[04:05] <HWolf> godzirra: they had a killer deal here. Like 40% off.
[04:05] <Slipaway172> hell, i just want a lcd of any size
[04:05] <HWolf> godzirra: so I raided my savings
[04:06] <cafuego> neoliminal: Some Toshibas also don't have touchpads.
[04:06] <neoliminal> cafuego: are they ok with ubuntu?
[04:06] <cafuego> neoliminal: Should be.
[04:06] <cafuego> neoliminal: They're not cheap, though.
[04:06] <MartenH> Is it possible to change the log-in screen for ubuntu? The background I mean...
[04:06] <neoliminal> it's odd that I want to REMOVE a touchpad and it's going to cost more.
[04:06] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: they are relatively cheap
[04:06] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: you can get them for $1400AU
[04:07] <pete_> rookie question: somehow my gnome bar (with shortcut icons) has moved from across the top to down the left, and the icons are 10 times larger. Does anyone know how to reset?
[04:07] <HWolf> MartenH: you're looking for a gdm theme
[04:07] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: What brand new toshibas?
[04:07] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: sorry, missed it, I was referring to 24" LCDs
[04:07] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: <heh>
[04:07] <MartenH> HWolf: ok, wil llook into that, ty
[04:07] <ZincX> no luck
[04:07] <ZincX> couldnt mount in a way i cud use
[04:07] <HrdwrBoB> I hate touchpads though
[04:08] <HWolf> HrdwrBoB: i paid eur800
[04:08] <reka> pete_: right-click on the panel > properties ... if you can't find an empty space, delete an icon (you can add it back later)
[04:08] <HrdwrBoB> pete_: right click on the panel, property
[04:08] <reka> hehe
[04:08] <HrdwrBoB> HWolf: yeah
[04:08] <HWolf> cafuego: for a minute, I thought you where crackin'
[04:08] <cafuego> The buttons on the touchpad on HPs didn't sued to be particularly nice, dunno if that's changed.
[04:08] <ZincX> some one help me
[04:09] <ZincX> :S
[04:09] <cafuego> neoliminal: Mst touchpads can be switched off.
[04:09] <pete_> thanks guys - it was the 'deleting' part that did it.
[04:09] <hondje> !resolution
[04:09] <cafuego> neoliminal: and ALL laptops with USb can use a mouse or trackball.
[04:09] <ubotu> resolution is, like, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:09] <pete_> ..I couldn't figure out how to reset the props
[04:10] <reka> pete_: *nods* weird glitch that one...
[04:10] <reka> hondje: who was that for?
[04:11] <MartenH> I added a line to ~/.bashrc but it doesn't run until I have opened a terminal window, I need the line run as soon as I log in...?
[04:11] <hondje> reka: for me, couldn't remember what the link was for the wiki page I'm working on :)
[04:11] <pete_> reka: it was beginning to get very frustrating too.
[04:11] <reka> *chuckle*
[04:12] <reka> pete_: i can imagine...at least you weren't laughed at like the first guy i saw who had that ...we were convinced it was *his* fault for getting it that way :)
[04:12] <reka> MartenH: it wouldn't ... the terminal doesn't normally run at startup
[04:13] <reka> MartenH: sys > prefs > sessions > startup progs
[04:13] <LokeDK> is there a way to undo a upgrade?
[04:13] <reka> hondje: nice...you're maintaining that wiki page?
[04:14] <neoliminal> just got off the phone with toshiba, they don't have any laptops without touchpads.
[04:14] <catolh> I just read the linux binaries for Doom 3 is out. Where can i obtain them? I have a bought windows version of the game, can i get the linux version also?
[04:14] <MartenH> reka: ok, ty
[04:14] <hondje> No, but I'm adding stuff to the nvidia tv-out page and linked back to it for setting up the vert/horiz stuff for monitors
[04:14] <reka> ah
[04:14] <hondje> catolh: on id's website, google for 'doom3 linux installer'
[04:16] <MartenH> awsome, it's working! I'm even staring to forgive Ubuntu for not letting me use WPA :)
[04:17] <crudolph_> Is there anyone, who has NIS at work?
[04:17] <selinium> Does any one know what user mysqld runs under?
[04:17] <xceses> ok super newb question im new to linux so please dont flame me, how do you connect to telnet from the gnome desktop in ubuntu
[04:17] <Nermal> mysql
[04:17] <hondje> xceses: open a terminal under applications -> system tools
[04:18] <hondje> then 'telnet <hostname> <port>' ... and of course telnet is bad, etc etc
[04:18] <xceses> ok thx
[04:18] <vafnord> what is the preferred method for installing software frpm .rpm files?
[04:18] <HrdwrBoB> find it in deb
[04:18] <phixion> rpm -Uhv filename.rpm
[04:18] <HrdwrBoB> :)
[04:18] <HrdwrBoB> vafnord: what software
[04:18] <mucknert> Find a deb, indeed.
[04:18] <vafnord> i would if i could
[04:19] <HrdwrBoB> vafnord: what software
[04:19] <vafnord> emusic download manager
[04:19] <mucknert> You can still try out alien.
[04:19] <vafnord> i've used alien but i've heard it's not good
[04:19] <mucknert> It's usable enough.
[04:19] <apokryphos> vafnord: for smaller apps it generally does the job
[04:20] <gangalee> when booting, what tells the system where the filesystems are?
[04:20] <mucknert> gangalee: /etc/fstab
[04:20] <vafnord> true, i was just trying to find out if there was a better way
[04:20] <gangalee> before it reaches /etc/inittab
[04:20] <hondje> grub does
[04:20] <apokryphos> /boot/grub/menu.lst for the GRUB stuff
[04:20] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me out please, i think iv insstalled my lynksis wireless b usb network adapter, but im not sure. when i go into networking my wlan0 is bolded and lit up but it says its not active, so i activeate it and plug my dsl cable into my router so i can test it to see if it works but it dosent :(
[04:22] <vafnord> what about installing from tar.gz?
[04:22] <black13> how do i unset all the environment variables
[04:23] <reka> vafnord: extract the files, then use checkinstall to create a .deb file which you can then use dpkg to install
[04:24] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me out please, i think iv insstalled my lynksis wireless b usb network adapter, but im not sure. when i go into networking my wlan0 is bolded and lit up but it says its not active, so i activeate it and plug my dsl cable into my router so i can test it to see if it works but it dosent :( maybe theres sumthing i still have to configure, i dunno
[04:24] <MartenH> The three Quicklaunch buttons at the top (Fiefix,Evolution and help) How can I add/remove to those?
[04:24] <vafnord> reka: ah, sweet, thanks
[04:24] <ggeller> Where should I look for the source code that was used to build the xserver-xorg package? I'm trying to build a unichrome 3D driver as outlined in http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=26963&group_id=102048.
[04:24] <reka> !smeg
[04:24] <ubotu> smeg is, like, a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[04:25] <reka> MartenH: there you go
[04:25] <MartenH> reka: ty
[04:25] <Amaranth> ggeller: apt-get source xorg
[04:25] <Amaranth> ggeller: and good luck
[04:25] <ggeller> Amaranth: Thanks.
[04:25] <reka> MartenH: actually ...those are icons
[04:25] <godzirra> ok...so back to my original question
[04:25] <reka> MartenH: right-click > delete to remove
[04:26] <godzirra> how do I make an initrd for the new kernel I've created.
[04:26] <zode> How can i find out in which device my mouse is connected to? I mean, im configurin ATI driver and now it says "Now give the full device name that the mouse is connected to"
[04:26] <reka> MartenH: and drag from menu to add
[04:26] <MartenH> oh ok, simple enough :)
[04:26] <Amaranth> godzirra: make-kpkg does all of that for you
[04:26] <MartenH> I guess smeg allows me to edit the menus themself
[04:26] <godzirra> Amaranth: it didnt make an initrd for me.
[04:26] <reka> MartenH: right
[04:26] <godzirra> OR if it did it didnt place it in /boot
[04:27] <reka> MartenH: gnome doesn't have a default menu editor unfortunately...
[04:27] <hondje> now that thar is one nice wikipage
[04:27] <gangalee> I moved my /etc to a new partition the wrong way, now the system won't boot because it can't find /etc/inittab. I looked in /boot/grub/ but can't find where I need to make the change
[04:27] <Amaranth> hondje: ?
[04:28] <hondje> Amaranth: I added a bunch of stuff to the nvidia tvout one
[04:28] <black13> how do i start bash almost no env variables
[04:28] <Amaranth> godzirra: man make-kpkg
[04:29] <Amaranth> godzirra: look for --initrd
[04:29] <Dr_Willis> 'almost' ?
[04:29] <black13> none then
[04:29] <hondje> env -i?
[04:29] <godzirra> thanks
[04:29] <black13> hondje that is what i read
[04:29] <black13> how do i use env -i
[04:29] <Amaranth> env -i <command>
[04:29] <godzirra> how do I check if I have the initrd cramfs patch?
[04:30] <MartenH> reka: ok, good to know
[04:30] <godzirra> or does the ubuntu souces have it automatically?
[04:31] <black13> env -i bash ... possible set my own environment up?
[04:31] <godzirra> Amaranth: any idea?
[04:31] <Amaranth> godzirra: nope
[04:31] <hondje> what are you trying to accomplish, black13 ? What's the end goal
[04:31] <catolh> anyone have any experience with point2play and ATI cards?.. :s
[04:32] <Dr_Willis> catolh, its proberly more of a 'cedega' issue - not Point2play. :P since P2P is just a fancy front end
[04:32] <catolh> Dr_Willis, well, yeah.
[04:32] <catolh> But, im guessing its a ATI issue.. :p
[04:32] <black13> hondje i want my environment varible to be exactly as i define them
[04:32] <Dr_Willis> well yea - ati IS an issue with cedega and wine. :P
[04:32] <catolh> seems the drivers are kind of.. shitty
[04:32] <Dr_Willis> catolh, ya got that right.
[04:33] <black13> bash inherits shell varibles from the shell that started it i want ot unset that
[04:33] <catolh> i bet i could get more performance with my good old Geforce mx 440 SE.. than my Sapphire Ati Radeon 9600 xt
[04:33] <hondje> Why not just edit /etc/bash.bashrc?
[04:33] <hondje> er, or profile
[04:34] <black13> hondje i think your close i can say to use a specific profile though
[04:34] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me out please, i think iv insstalled my lynksis wireless b usb network adapter, but im not sure. when i go into networking my wlan0 is bolded and lit up but it says its not active, so i activeate it and plug my dsl cable into my router so i can test it to see if it works but it dosent :( maybe theres sumthing i still have to configure, i dunno
[04:34] <hondje> if it's just that your'e weird, you can add a bunch of export lines in your .bashrc
[04:34] <madclicker> I need an installer with 2.6.12 kernel
[04:35] <black13> hondje i have program that requires a specific set of env variables ...
[04:35] <vader1102> bob2: I did the web upgrade to Hoary last night and had no problems.... all I had to do was follow the instructions on that url you gave me...Thank you
[04:36] <bob2> vader1102: np
[04:36] <hondje> black13: ah, okay...I deal with that all the time. If it has a start up script, it's easier to set the variables in that, if not you can be lazy and just add an alias
[04:36] <reka> catolh: what probs are you having? just poor performance?
[04:36] <vader1102> it works better than warty ever did
[04:36] <catolh> reka, problems? uhm.. stuff not starting at all
[04:37] <kemik> catolh: thats a feature ;)
[04:37] <catolh> reka, using newest version of point2play and cedega
[04:37] <catolh> reka, and i went through the BinaryDriverHowTo for the ATI driver..
[04:37] <kemik> catolh: the stuff you try to run, worked for anyone else?
[04:37] <joachim> does anyone here use gFTP? what does the Resume option mean when I get a file clash?
[04:37] <catolh> kemik, yep
[04:37] <reka> ah. nvm then ... i doubt i'd be able to help
[04:37] <Mechanixx> Wow. Lots of people here.
[04:37] <catolh> kemik, stuff like Guildwars
[04:37] <hondje> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/docs/linux-doc-project/mail_archives/ldp-discuss/msg02335.html
[04:38] <hondje> that's neat, checks your bookmarks for 404s and the like
[04:38] <kemik> catolh: ok.. i've tried wine mostly, so probably cant help with cedega.. :/
[04:38] <catolh> kemik, ok. But are you using a ATI card?
[04:39] <kemik> catolh: yes
[04:39] <catolh> kemik, how did you install them? :S
[04:39] <kemik> fglrx you mean ?
[04:39] <kemik> (wine doesnt install 3d accelerated support)
[04:39] <catolh> oh
[04:40] <catolh> oh well.. :p
[04:40] <kemik> catolh: but you got fglrx working ?
[04:40] <catolh> yeah
[04:41] <catolh> getting like 1500-2000 fps in glxgears
[04:41] <kemik> i get around 1000 with my radeon 9600 :/
[04:41] <kemik> what card do you have?
[04:41] <mjr> glxgears is not a benchmark, by the way
[04:41] <Mechanixx> Hey. When my second normal user (which I created a few days after install) tries to connect things like USB drives they don't have permission. But with my first normal user (the one I created during the install) it's no problem. Anyone know what I can do?
[04:41] <kemik> mjr: its a good pointer
[04:42] <knudsen_> Hello. I have stored a password in the so called "gnome keyring". Can anybody tell me how to remove this password again? I cannot see how to get access to the keyring...
[04:43] <reka> Mechanixx: need to add them to the sudoer's list
[04:43] <reka> !rootsudo
[04:43] <ubotu> methinks rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:43] <mjr> knudsen_, gnome-keyring-manager
[04:43] <mjr> knudsen_, I'm not sure if it's installed by default
[04:43] <knudsen_> mjr: Thanks. It's not default here.
[04:44] <Mechanixx> reka: Not too get too far ahead of myself, but will this require them to enter a password? Because I don't have to enter anything with my first normal user.
[04:44] <djp> !dma
[04:44] <reka> hmm, not sure about that actually...can someone confirm i was on the right track?
[04:45] <tritium> Mechanixx, just add the user to the "admin:" group, and he/she will have sudo priveleges.
[04:45] <tritium> admin even
[04:46] <Mechanixx> Oooh. How interesting.
[04:47] <Mechanixx> /etc/group actually has: plugdev:x:46:adam,hal
[04:47] <Mechanixx> adam is my first normal user, but I don't know who hal is, but me a system thing. Heh.
[04:47] <Mechanixx> mebe
[04:48] <scanwinder> whats the command to list all the process running? (i forgot it)
[04:48] <nophix> ps aux
[04:49] <Mechanixx> I'm going to have to try this, but if all I have to do is add a user to the specific group to give them permissions for certain tasks, well.. it's refreshing to see a distro use the power of groups more effectively.
[04:50] <elsha> erm, im just looking at some documentation atm for installing ubuntu 4.10, is it the same as for 5.04?
[04:50] <Mechanixx> Though maybe debian does, I dunno, never used debian. Heh.
[04:51] <reka> elsha: not sure what you mean, but hoary (5.04) is the latest stable release of ubuntu ... warty (4.10), was the previous release.
[04:52] <harry> #ubuntu
[04:52] <black13> hondje i think i have answer to my debootstrap question
[04:52] <black13> the environment variables
[04:52] <catolh> Anything i install as root can be used by users right?
[04:53] <sJaM> well not everything
[04:53] <sJaM> but most of it catolh
[04:53] <catolh> like, if i install the doom3 binaries with "sudo" .. then i can run it without sudo right?
[04:53] <black13> catolh look up setuid
[04:53] <sJaM> yes
[04:53] <catolh> Ok.. thanks :)
[04:53] <sJaM> but
[04:53] <sJaM> it is better
[04:53] <sJaM> to do a
[04:53] <sJaM> sudo -i
[04:53] <sJaM> and then install the doom3 binaries
[04:53] <Whistler> is breezy out ?
[04:54] <sJaM> sudo -i gives a root terminal
[04:54] <Whistler> or still in beta?
[04:54] <sJaM> breezy is in beta
[04:55] <Whistler> oh
[04:55] <black13> sJaM i have a similar question i want to run startx as a non-root user
[04:55] <elsha> I have an ubuntu installation cd here, for an intel x86, but im running on a amd64, reckon it'd still work fine?
[04:56] <Crafty-Catcher> when is breezy planed to be released
[04:56] <reka> !breezy
[04:56] <reka> weird
[04:57] <reka> "[breezy] will be the next version of Ubuntu (5.10). It will be released on october 2005. It can and will be broken, and can damage your system. If you want to know what the main differences are between Breezy and Hoary, see http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/"
[04:58] <mjr> elsha, it will work, though will obviously only run in 32-bit mode
[04:58] <sJaM> black13, startx can be runned as non-root user
[04:58] <catolh> wow, doom3 really was crappy in linux with my ATI card :s
[04:58] <sJaM> it is discouraged to use startx as root user
[04:58] <elsha> meh, grr. i'll just download the amd64 one then
[04:58] <sJaM> actually
[04:59] <elsha> man, im having a really crappy day with shit not liking each other on my computer
[05:00] <neoliminal> any experience with ubuntu on Gateway M250X
[05:01] <godzirra> Anyone have experience with bootsplash? I installed it in my kernel, recompiled the kernel, and made the initrd image etc, but when I reboot, I get little weird lines at the top of my screen, and no bootsplash like its supposed to.
[05:03] <skalpel> byebyeboris
[05:03] <metalhen> hi. I'm looking for tetex3 for ubuntu. It is now in debian sid, but there seems no source for it in ubuntu right now?
[05:04] <ddaa> Open firefox, go to ubuntu.com, click on the wiki tab on the web page. In the certificate dialog, press down arrow key. Crash. I never experienced this behaviour before the recent upgrade. Is that a known problem?
[05:04] <vania> join windows
[05:04] <ddaa> mhhh
[05:04] <neoliminal> cna someone point me to a ubuntu wiki on HD size requirements for ubuntu?
[05:04] <astunmarx> i'm a greenhorn in ubuntu. I've starred the irc-channel without knowing, where I'm spelling. How I can run the Mutt e-mail program
[05:04] <ddaa> bah... demo effect, cannot reproduce anymore :(
[05:04] <reka> metalhen: is tetex-bin good enough for your LaTeX needs?
[05:05] <reka> neoliminal: [off the packaging] : 350 minimal install, 1,8 typical
[05:05] <neoliminal> I want to put ubuntu on a USB drive and I need to know how big to get.
[05:06] <kangaroody> huhu! jemand da?
[05:06] <neoliminal> so a 2 gig USB drive should be fine?
[05:06] <metalhen> reka: I have tetex-bin etc, in version 2.x there now is tetex distribution in version 3 .. I#m searching v3 because it has much more new packages
[05:06] <Kyral> astunmarx, sudo apt-get install mutt?
[05:06] <reka> neoliminal: if you trust the packagin, yes :)
[05:06] <neoliminal> hahaha
[05:06] <reka> metalhen: i see
[05:06] <neoliminal> reka: thanks
[05:06] <lokulin> kangaroody: more than enough I recon
[05:06] <neoliminal> It seems to get bigger everytime I look around.
[05:07] <metalhen> and I thing downloading debian sid debs and dpkg -i them into kubuntu will not be a good idea
[05:08] <kyncani> metalhen: you'll have to wait for breezy i think
[05:08] <Kyral> metalhen, you can always ask for it to be backported
[05:09] <reka> metalhen: yes, afaik, it's a bad idea to mix debian with ubuntu
[05:09] <metalhen> Kyral, backport would be nice :) I guess there is nothing like backports.org for ubuntu? ;)
[05:10] <Kyral> oh, v2 of TeTex is in Breezy, isn't available for backporting
[05:10] <Kyral> !backports
[05:10] <ubotu> rumour has it, backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[05:10] <astunmarx> Perhaps an answer to "Kyral": I questioned in a different meanin'. The synaptic-program gives the messages that mutt is actually installed.
[05:10] <black13> hondje still here
[05:10] <Kyral> astunmarx, then I dunno how to use Mutt
[05:11] <Kyral> astunmarx, try man mutt on the command line
[05:12] <astunmarx> I forgot to report this. I tried it many times, but it does'nt take any effect. And what means "dunno"
[05:13] <Kyral> astunmarx, slang for Don't Know
[05:15] <metalhen> hm. no backport? that's bad. Now I'm running ubuntu i find again reasons for using debian sid again :/
[05:16] <Kyral> metalhen, you can try posting a request on the Ubuntu Backports Forum at www.ubuntuforums.org
[05:18] <black13> i can build an ubuntu chroot on mandrake
[05:18] <Kyral> I don't know, can you? I have never tried
[05:18] <mjr> black13, sure
[05:18] <black13> i can i am sayin i just figureed it out
[05:19] <black13> its the environment variables that kill you
[05:19] <mjr> ah, right, my bad
[05:20] <useruser> metalhen: what do you need that's new in tetex3?
[05:21] <ubuntu> is anyone available to answer a quick question?
[05:21] <dmk2004> installed new kernel, 2.6.12...and on boot, it says kernel panic...it didnt make an initrd.img, which i assume is the problem..any help?
[05:21] <reka> ubuntu: ask away
[05:22] <reka> lol
[05:22] <jbailey> dmk2004: You can run mkinitrd by hand, but it's usually better to package your own kernels with make-kpkg
[05:22] <Amaranth> dmk2004: boot with your 2.6.10 kernel and read 'man make-kpkg'
[05:22] <Amaranth> dmk2004: the --initrd section
[05:22] <dmk2004> thanks..
[05:22] <jbailey> dmk2004: The best answer is really to not do your own kernel, and try to get the generic Ubuntu kernel working.
[05:22] <jbailey> The Ubuntu system is tuned to work with our kernels, and there are no promises if you roll your own.
[05:23] <dmk2004> thanks...but is there a way of getting the 2.6.12? on x64?...because i have a problem...cpu usage is very high sometimes..and i read updating to 2.6.12 fixes this problem
[05:25] <metalhen> useruser: tetex3 has much more new latex packages, that I have to update all by hand myself when using tetex2. that are many.. this updates include bugfixes in tex-packages etc.
[05:25] <lokulin> question for PPC gurus. Is it possible to make ubuntu sleep when you close the lid on a PowerBook G4?
[05:25] <jbailey> dmk2004: If you can wait another week or two, breezy should start to settle down enough.
[05:25] <dmk2004> i have an amd64 3000+...with hoary x64..normal 2.6.10 kernel, cpu usage jumps to 35%+, on many programs..even 'top' lol. and things take a long time to run..it all goes pretty slowly...
[05:26] <dmk2004> is that a known problem? high cpu usage, for no reason...
[05:27] <ryanomalley_> hey
[05:27] <ryanomalley_> I have a question
[05:27] <holycow> k. go.
[05:27] <ryanomalley_> whenever I rip cds(with grip or soundjuicer) it will not go past 3.4x, yet I have a 40x cd drive
[05:27] <holycow> we eagerly await your qustion
[05:27] <holycow> :)
[05:27] <reka> i've heard of firefox and high cpu loads
[05:27] <ryanomalley_> =)
[05:27] <dmk2004> LOL
[05:27] <ryanomalley_> it can take up to an hour to rip a cd.
[05:27] <sproingie> dmk2004: is it quick jumps or does it stay that way?
[05:28] <reka> ryanomalley_: enabled DMA?
[05:28] <dmk2004> it stays that way, for a good min or two
[05:28] <holycow> ryanomalley_, try making sur you have dma turned on for the hd, google hdparm command to see how to turn it on
[05:28] <ryanomalley_> oh okay let me try
[05:28] <reka> sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/cdrom
[05:28] <sproingie> dmk2004: top can be a cpu hog all by itself, most other things should not
[05:28] <dmk2004> well
[05:28] <sproingie> dmk2004: you running with any funky eye candy, like transparencies?
[05:29] <deFrysk> java-apps ?
[05:29] <ryanomalley_> okay reka I did the command
[05:29] <dmk2004> ill put it this way..my other athlon xp 1700+, is faster at everything, until it goes properly (cpu usage occasionaly goes down)
[05:29] <ryanomalley_> I get a long list of various options
[05:29] <dmk2004> no funky eye candy..been like this from fresh install
[05:29] <sproingie> dmk2004: i'm running on a 3200+, havent experienced such a problem
[05:29] <dmk2004> hmm
[05:29] <dmk2004> havent even changed the gnome theme, thats how much eye candy it has lol
[05:29] <sproingie> dmk2004: aside from top itself, what does top tell you is eating the most cpu?
[05:30] <ryanomalley_> reka: what should I do after?
[05:30] <dmk2004> i cant remember sorry..not using that pc atm....but say i was only running xmms..playing music...the sound wont even play smoothly for more than 8 secodns.
[05:30] <dmk2004> *seconds
[05:30] <sproingie> tho top really shouldn't eat more than a couple % cpu on a modern linux box
[05:30] <sproingie> maybe 10% tops
[05:30] <sharta> is there a way to turn on automount ?
[05:30] <reka> ryanomalley_: like this? 'using_dma = 1 (on)'
[05:31] <sorush20> guys how do I run the xserver config...
[05:31] <dmk2004> i open xterm, and do an apt-get install or something...and it runs like crap.
[05:31] <ryanomalley_> reka: huh?
[05:31] <sharta> I mean eject sorry..CD wont eject when I push eject button...
[05:31] <sproingie> dmk2004: well xmms will eat loads of cpu... possibly xmms itself that's messed. or perhaps your sound server
[05:31] <deFrysk> sorush20, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:31] <reka> sharta: edit /etc/fstab
[05:31] <sharta> reka, what is fstab ..
[05:31] <reka> sharta: nvm ... not related anymore. :)
[05:31] <sharta> shanon, I am come from windows
[05:31] <sharta> reka, oh ok..
[05:31] <reka> ryanomalley_: what options? you should've just seen some output
[05:31] <ryanomalley_> reka: http://pastebin.ca/18632
[05:31] <dmk2004> ive never had these problems on my xp 1700...i can run xmms, firefox, and xterm with under 10% cpu usage...
[05:32] <sharta> ryanomalley_, I am checking
[05:32] <dmk2004> its nearly as if its trying too hard with each program...dedicating too much power to it...but that doesnt make sense..
[05:32] <sharta> ryanomalley_, nm
[05:32] <ChaKy> Hi! I need a little help here. How can I use dpkg to upgrade same package. I know for 'dpkg -i package.deb' will install package, but how about upgrade?
[05:32] <reka> ryanomalley_: '1', not small 'L' :)
[05:32] <ryanomalley_> haha sorry
[05:33] <reka> ryanomalley_: means you typed the command wrong :)
[05:33] <sproingie> dmk2004: does it happen when you're not running xmms? possibly you have a bad codec or something?
[05:33] <dmk2004> yes, does it when im not running xmms
[05:33] <sJaM> remove it and install the new one ChaKy ?
[05:33] <reka> sharta: can you right-click on it's desktop icon and click eject?
[05:33] <sproingie> dmk2004: what else is chewing up the cpu?
[05:33] <dmk2004> if i close EVERYTHING..and only open one program...doesnt even matter what it is....it will go slow
[05:33] <ryanomalley_> ryanomalley@baboonsauce:~$ sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/cdrom
[05:33] <ryanomalley_> /dev/cdrom:
[05:33] <ryanomalley_> setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[05:33] <ryanomalley_> using_dma = 1 (on)
[05:33] <ryanomalley_> did it.
[05:33] <reka> ryanomalley_: yep
[05:33] <ChaKy> sJaM: I know that, but package that I want to remove, will also remove all the depends.
[05:34] <ChaKy> sJaM: that's why I am asking for upgrade
[05:34] <dmk2004> on startup, (gnome startup bar thing) my xp1700+ is quicker...than the amd64 3000+ :|
[05:34] <reka> ryanomalley_: now try it .... if you want to enable DMA at bootup, edit /etc/hdparm.conf
[05:34] <ryanomalley_> who a whoa whoa.
[05:34] <ryanomalley_> its going .1x now
[05:34] <ryanomalley_> 0.1x
[05:34] <sproingie> dmk2004: that's rather odd. top doesn't show a single runaway process?
[05:34] <MartenH> how do I change gdm theme?
[05:34] <reka> ryanomalley_: heh. that's no good.
[05:35] <ChaKy> MartenH: sudo gdmsetup
[05:35] <dmk2004> sproingie - yes...say i only have xterm open...that will use atleast 35% cpu usage....so will xmms, so will firefox...ANYTHING...
[05:35] <sproingie> dmk2004: you running a 32bit or 64bit linux on your 3000+? shouldn't matter, just wondering
[05:35] <ryanomalley_> so reka what should i do?
[05:35] <MartenH> ChaKy: ty
[05:35] <dmk2004> could the ati drivers somehow cause problems?....'somehow'
[05:35] <reka> ryanomalley_: check ubuntuforums.org for topics on slow ripping speed
[05:35] <dmk2004> 64bit
[05:36] <sproingie> dmk2004: i haven't been having any real problems with the ati drivers. and it should be xorg that's getting billed for the cpu usage, not the client program
[05:36] <dmk2004> hmm okay.
[05:37] <dmk2004> well, i done some searching on high cpu usage, and found a few posts from people saying that their amd64 pcs, were running slowly on ubuntu also..with the 2.6.10 kernel..upgraded to 2.6.12, and it started working fine
[05:37] <ChaKy> nobody knows how to use dpkg or aptitude to upgrade already installed single package?
[05:37] <reka> ryanomalley_: if you can't find anything, ask again here in a 1/2 hour or so
[05:37] <sJaM> I thoguth dpkg didn't care about dependencies ChaKy
[05:37] <sproingie> dmk2004: i was going to suspect the kernel next
[05:37] <ChaKy> sJaM: it cares
[05:38] <sproingie> dmk2004: only problem is that the ati drivers don't work on 2.6.12
[05:38] <sJaM> well isn't there an option
[05:38] <sJaM> like disregard dependencies
[05:38] <ryanomalley_> what does append mean?
[05:38] <ryanomalley_> haha
[05:38] <ryanomalley_> http://ubuntuguide.org/#speedupcddvdrom
[05:39] <ChaKy> Synaptic can upgrade a single package, but it has to pull it from net. I already have mine on hard disk
[05:39] <reka> ryanomalley_: add to end
[05:39] <sproingie> !ubuntuguide
[05:39] <ubotu> ubuntuguide is probably a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[05:39] <ryanomalley_> ok
[05:39] <sJaM> --ingore-depends
[05:40] <dmk2004> sproingie - damn...well, there must be a logical reason why some people are having problems, but most are not..ill keep searching the net..
[05:40] <ryanomalley_> ugh ugh s
[05:40] <ryanomalley_> god damnit
[05:40] <ChaKy> sJaM: well, that can help
[05:40] <ryanomalley_> this is so god damn annoying
[05:40] <sJaM> I also see a --uprade-avail
[05:40] <sJaM> but I don't know what it is
[05:40] <reka> ryanomalley_: find any topics on the forums?
[05:40] <sproingie> dmk2004: i get a lot of general performance problems with my linux servers, but it's always kswapd eating up the CPU, not stuff like xterm
[05:40] <ryanomalley_> They all say to do the same thing.
[05:40] <sproingie> dmk2004: i'm fairly mystified
[05:40] <ChaKy> sJaM: hmm, strange, havent noticed that
[05:41] <ChaKy> sJaM: I'll try
[05:41] <ChaKy> thanks
[05:42] <ryanomalley_> they ALL the say the same thing
[05:43] <dmk2004> sproingie - lol..yeah, isnt a typical issue is it..
[05:44] <dmk2004> im also using ArchLinux on my 1700..since a few days ago...very nice ;)
[05:45] <yang> wots got to do with the firefox problem?
[05:46] <Belutz> yang: update the firefox ?
[05:48] <dmk2004> yang - what are you talking about
[05:49] <Rydekull> look at topic
[05:49] <dmk2004> ahh, i see.
[05:49] <yang> i mean, what is the problem with the firefox?
[05:49] <reka> seems like slow rip speed is actually a kernel bug
[05:49] <godzirra> Anyone have experience with bootsplash? I installed it in my kernel, recompiled the kernel, and made the initrd image etc, but when I reboot, I get little weird lines at the top of my screen, and no bootsplash like its supposed to.
[05:50] <yang> backports? what is that?
[05:50] <holycow> godzirra, i would recommend reinstalling your os, and waiting for the userland bootsplash project to complete
[05:50] <dmk2004> reka - i had slow ripping speed also....very slow...i turned on virtual scsi emulation or something...read it makes a big difference..cant remember if it did alot or not lol.
[05:50] <holycow> thats the right way to do boot splash
[05:51] <dabaR> yang, it is for example,. when hoatry is released, all programs in it are a certain version
[05:51] <Crafty-Catcher> Hehe I got my Software Raid to work - uninstalled ubuntu -> installed Debian ;)
[05:51] <reka> dmk2004: that's was a suggested solution
[05:51] <dabaR> yang, so, som,e people awent the newer versions, so, they backports newwer versions to older systems(hoary
[05:51] <dabaR> awent=want
[05:51] <znh> I've some weird issue, Kopete says that my MSN password is incorrect, But when I login with aMSN, everything goes fine with the same password
[05:52] <elsha> i've been rummaging through the documentation for 5.04, but i cant seem to find what the default kernel is. does anyone know?
[05:52] <godzirra> holycow: Thats kind of a silly recommendation. W hy would I reinstall my OS?
[05:52] <reka> elsha: 2.6.10-5-386
[05:52] <dabaR> znh check the settings other than pwsd.
[05:52] <elsha> reka: thank you :)
[05:52] <dabaR> welcome
[05:52] <yang> o i c, thx dabaR
[05:52] <reka> elsha: i know there's a page out there for that stuff ... just can't be bothered looking. :)
[05:53] <dabaR> I can tell the future
[05:53] <holycow> godzirra, because it seems like you don't really know what your doing, and trying to fish you out of your own recompiled kernel situation is a lot more work than actually just reinstalling the os and leaving it be until you can get it done right
[05:53] <reka> elsha: so i just did a 'uname -r'
[05:53] <holycow> unless of course you want to poke around and learn, but thats another topic :)
[05:53] <Paradoxx> znh: yea, thats a known problem with kopete
[05:53] <znh> Paradoxx: Is there a sollution for it?
[05:53] <dabaR> holycow: is it borked? i got ther impression that its just not working with the bootsplash...
[05:53] <elsha> Mmmm
[05:54] <godzirra> holycow: Wow.. thats a broad assumption. I didn't install over the old kernel, thus killing my system. And I'm not a linux noobie. Just new to bootsplash. I'm familiar with grub and how the splash works, and I'm familiar with initrds and other kernel params.
[05:54] <Paradoxx> znh: i'm not sure if they have fixed with with a newer version yet, i think so, but you are better off getting gaim :P
[05:54] <godzirra> I just boot up with my old kernel and it works fine.
[05:54] <godzirra> dabaR: thats it.
[05:54] <zAo^> for Breezy ppl: Can I upgrade the Nvidia kernel module?
[05:54] <znh> Paradoxx: gaim disconnects me after a while 'Reading Error'
[05:54] <dabaR> godzirra: well, then holycow misunderstood, no need to !reinstall!
[05:54] <godzirra> I wasnt planning on it :)
[05:54] <znh> Paradoxx: ah wel, I see there's a patch
[05:55] <godzirra> just trying to figure out how to get bootsplash work. Many other people have gotten it working, and I'm guessing I just have a bad graphic mode or something.
[05:55] <dabaR> I know, not sure what holycow misunderstood, just making sure youre not a newb to listen to him...
[05:55] <Paradoxx> znh: oh, great, hope that sorts it out...
[05:55] <dabaR> godzirra: yeah, it can work, I am too lazy to need something like that.
[05:55] <znh> Paradoxx: http://bugzilla.conectiva.com.br/attachment.cgi?id=1407&action=view
[05:56] <Paradoxx> znh: kopete is nice, its gui looks good, but its slow with its updates, which is my only prob with it
[05:56] <godzirra> dabaR: Hehe.. when people start saying things like "reinstall" or "rm -rf" I usually go ... "uh huh... riiiiiight."
[05:56] <znh> Paradoxx: I'm just trying ot
[05:56] <znh> *it
[05:56] <holycow> godzirra, indeed i have misunerstood :)
[05:56] <dabaR> :)
[05:56] <holycow> however, 9 times out of 10 my answer is dead on with exactly that question :)
[05:57] <dabaR> hehe
[05:59] <godzirra> holycow: all good... and 9 times out of 10, I'd probably agree with you :)
[05:59] <godzirra> I'm not new to linux...been using it about 11 years... just new to bootsplash :)
[05:59] <sJaM> 11 years
[05:59] <sJaM> that is a long time
[05:59] <holycow> there are so many newbs around, i'm just trying to save them some frustration, because mostly they don't wanna muck around, they just want it to work
[05:59] <holycow> godzirra, well then, you got 9 on me :)
[05:59] <godzirra> Yup. So far ubuntu seems good about "just working" if you don't screw with it.
[05:59] <holycow> hehe
[06:00] <godzirra> Me? I'm all about what makes it tick. :)
[06:00] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me out please, i think iv insstalled my lynksis wireless b usb network adapter, but im not sure. when i go into networking my wlan0 is bolded and lit up but it says its not active, so i activeate it and plug my dsl cable into my router so i can test it to see if it works but it dosent :( maybe theres sumthing i still have to configure, i dunno
[06:00] <holycow> bootsplash stuff is funky, there are 3 separate bootsplash implementations from what i remember, 1 redhat and 1 gentoo port ...
[06:00] <holycow> both of which requrie funky kernel stuff
[06:00] <godzirra> Well, I was using the debian bootsplash howto
[06:01] <godzirra> which seems the best route for ubuntu
[06:01] <holycow> the third one is an offshoot of the gentoo project i think, its basically a bootsplash in userland, i think its called usersplash
[06:01] <godzirra> Whats sad is if I login to the grub command line before I boot the kernel, I can display the splashimage there...
[06:01] <d0m4in> Hello all. I was wondering if there was a better solution than cron in order to copy files from one HD to another, for backup and redundancy purposes?
[06:01] <holycow> and the idea is to let someone install it without kernel recompile
[06:01] <holycow> there was some talk about making it into breezy, but probable after breezy i'm guessing
[06:01] <godzirra> which would definitely be nice.
[06:01] <godzirra> breezy is the next ubuntu release?
[06:02] <holycow> i think so, too early to to remember such details for me to :)
[06:02] <godzirra> Gourami: woohoo.. printing is sooooo fun to setup. </sarcasm>
[06:02] <Despeeh> I would not touch to Breezy yet
[06:02] <Gourami> can someone tell me in a nutshell what XDMCP is ?
[06:02] <godzirra> Gourami: google is your friend :)
[06:02] <Gourami> godzirra: its probably the only real issue I have with Ubuntu (that and file sharing/mounting)
[06:02] <godzirra> XDMCP stands for "X Display Manager Control Protocol" and is a network protocol.
[06:02] <tritium> I'm still waiting on the Form 9
[06:03] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me out please, i think iv insstalled my lynksis wireless b usb network adapter, but im not sure. when i go into networking my wlan0 is bolded and lit up but it says its not active, so i activeate it and plug my dsl cable into my router so i can test it to see if it works but it dosent :( maybe theres sumthing i still have to configure, i dunno
[06:03] <dabaR> Gourami: nice!
[06:03] <godzirra> Gourami: google XDMCP and click the first link :)
[06:03] <godzirra> then read the intro
[06:03] <Gourami> lol no man sheez thats what this #is for
[06:03] <dabaR> uber_newber: what? why is tehre a cable in a wireless story?
[06:04] <_deepfire> Good day folks. The question is, what the "Bug report tool" option in the menu runs? I ask because i`ve installed a server install of ubuntu and have no easy way of telling...
[06:04] <tritium> Gourami, we help people, but we also like people who help themselves
[06:04] <Gourami> tritium: understood and agreed
[06:04] <tritium> :)
[06:04] <Gourami> bear in mind us humans can be a tad lasy from time to time :0
[06:05] <uber_newber> i plugged my cat5 cable into the bac of th router so i could test to see if the wireless card worked, but it didnt
[06:05] <elsha> and ubuntu is linux for human beings after all aye Gourami :)
[06:05] <guillem> What kind of DVDs does Nautilus burn, DVD+r or DVD-r or both?
[06:05] <Gourami> lol well said elsha
[06:06] <elsha> wtf is uber newber going on about. i cant make sense of the question
[06:06] <holycow> elsha, hehe
[06:06] <dabaR> elsha: ya, wires in a wireles story? is that throwing you off?
[06:06] <uber_newber> nvm i dont wanna go into detail to explain my setup
[06:06] <Gourami> ok so a quick google tells me, that if I have multiple Ubuntu workstations, XDMCP would be useful to me
[06:06] <dabaR> uber_newber: no way we can know what to do then.
[06:06] <tritium> uber_newber, help us to help you
[06:06] <ToRTuReD_X> hmm
[06:06] <elsha> dabaR, very much so
[06:07] <elsha> :)
[06:07] <ToRTuReD_X> question
[06:07] <ToRTuReD_X> if i wanted to use my second hard drive for just random files
[06:07] <uber_newber> dabaR: oh well my friends getting on in a bit, he'll know what to do
[06:07] <dabaR> uber_newber: awesome!
[06:07] <ToRTuReD_X> could i do so by using the /share option in the partition?
[06:08] <uber_newber> dabaR: yes very awsome
[06:08] <dabaR> guillem: come on, man, the dvd drive itself knows about - and + nautilus just sends the data to the device.
[06:08] <dabaR> uber_newber: agreed!
[06:08] <uber_newber> lol
[06:09] <ToRTuReD_X> YOU CAN DO IT!!
[06:09] <ToRTuReD_X> all night long...
[06:09] <ToRTuReD_X> <_<
[06:09] <dabaR> can we do it?
[06:09] <Gourami> somebody check the internet hampster !
[06:09] <guillem> dabaR, I thought you needed different software for dvd+r or dvd-r burning
[06:10] <holycow> i think the internet hampsters had babies
[06:10] <elsha> ToRTuReD_X, why would you have to set an option on a second drive for random files?
[06:10] <dabaR> guillem: I wouldnt expect so, ther is a level of abstraction in between, I would expect.
[06:10] <holycow> surprise!
[06:10] <ToRTuReD_X> guillem - don't think you do
[06:10] <Harold> Morning, everyone!
[06:10] <Harold> dabaR, Morning
[06:10] <dabaR> hey Harold .
[06:10] <Harold> nalioth_wrkn, Morning
[06:10] <ToRTuReD_X> elsha - because my 60gb hard drive is where i store all my files
[06:10] <ToRTuReD_X> ;/
[06:10] <ToRTuReD_X> and i dunno if it's possible to view it without doing that
[06:11] <Harold> dabaR, Remember yesterday I mentioned that sound through my headphones isn't working?
[06:11] <dabaR> yes. did you try with a mac OS?
[06:11] <ToRTuReD_X> hmm
[06:11] <ToRTuReD_X> that reminds me
[06:11] <ToRTuReD_X> is sigmatel C Major audio cards supported?
[06:12] <Harold> dabaR, Well, others have reported the same issue: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-40400.html
[06:12] <tritium> good morning Harold
[06:12] <Harold> tritium, Morning, tritium. How're you?
[06:12] <dabaR> Harold: no! with powerbooks? so, like, older ones, like g3, or g4s?
[06:12] <tritium> Fine, thanks. You, Harold?
[06:12] <tritium> howdy, nalioth_wrkn
[06:12] <dabaR> I cant remember if my sound worked on the ibook..
[06:13] <godzirra> I want an ibook :/
[06:13] <_deepfire> how is the ubuntu`s Bug Report Tool executable called?
[06:13] <ToRTuReD_X> i have the feeling my satelite TV is messing with my internet
[06:13] <ToRTuReD_X> god damn digital cable
[06:13] <ToRTuReD_X> -_-
[06:14] <Harold> dabaR, Yes - I hear the Mac's infamous startup tone through my headphones when I reboot. Yet once I'm in Ubuntu, the sound no longer comes out of the headphones, though it's still coming through the PowerBook's speakers. It's like it's ignoring the headphones.
[06:14] <Harold> tritium, Not bad; just trying to resolve a sound issue.
[06:14] <nalioth> Harold: howdy
[06:14] <Harold> dabaR, It's a PowerBook G3; an old one.
[06:14] <Harold> nalioth, Howdy, partner.
[06:15] <ToRTuReD_X> screw it
[06:15] <ToRTuReD_X> i'm goin to bed
[06:15] <ToRTuReD_X> night all
[06:15] <dabaR> weird, night, ToRTuReD_X ,.
[06:15] <elsha> night ToRTuReD_X
[06:15] <Harold> nalioth, We've had liftoff. I know, I know, it was Florida...
[06:16] <_deepfire> useless channel, good bye
[06:16] <dabaR> haha
[06:16] <Harold> nalioth, ...Mission Control has quite a bit of work ahead, though...
[06:16] <ToRTuReD_X> night elsha
[06:16] <ToRTuReD_X> whip that pack mule ya call the internet extra hard for me will ya
[06:16] <Harold> nalioth, ...as they're explainin' why the shuttle is boundin' off'a birds 'n' stuff.
[06:17] <elsha> eh, it just turned offpeak time overhere, i got a bit excited because my peak is capped at 64kb :P
[06:17] <CoffeeBreaks> I just installed ubuntu and although it asked me for a user, I don't recall him asking me for a root password
[06:17] <Harold> nalioth, After you told me about your iBook burnin' up, I made sure to turn off my PowerBook when it got real hot here. No A/C here either, you know?
[06:17] <dabaR> CoffeeBreaks: ubuntu uses sudo. Your password is used for sudo.
[06:18] <znh> I'm trying to get kopete installed from the source (binary in ubuntu doesn't contain the MSN fix yet), but it asks for KDE-headers.. what package is that?
[06:18] <dabaR> CoffeeBreaks: /msg ubotu root
[06:18] <Harold> CoffeeBreaks, I usually do sudo -s
[06:18] <dabaR> znh: tried #kubuntu?
[06:18] <znh> dabaR: not yet
[06:18] <Harold> CoffeeBreaks, though I forget what the -s is for.
[06:18] <dabaR> try that, may get moer educated answers there.
[06:18] <Harold> dabaR, Uh! Educated?
[06:18] <znh> lol
[06:19] <CoffeeBreaks> Harold: to enable the shell
[06:19] <CoffeeBreaks> thanks
[06:19] <dabaR> Harold: ya, Im all about tha edumication!
[06:19] <Harold> dabaR, Hey, I may be a moron, but I'm not...waitaminute.
[06:19] <dabaR> CoffeeBreaks: msg the bot to learn more
[06:19] <Harold> !learn
[06:19] <ubotu> Harold: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[06:19] <nalioth> Harold: yes, the operating temperature range is >95f
[06:20] <dabaR> ok, well, see ya later.
[06:20] <Harold> nalioth, What're you using to check the temp?
[06:20] <nalioth> tritium: sorry, i've been afk
[06:20] <nalioth> tritium: fixin breakfast
[06:20] <tritium> nalioth, just giving you a hard time ;)
[06:21] <nalioth> Harold: on the ibook or the room temp?
[06:21] <Harold> nalioth, On the iBook?
[06:21] <lcharly_TheOne> somebody can help me
[06:21] <Harold> lcharly_TheOne, What's up?
[06:22] <lcharly_TheOne> i hava a laptop compaq presario v2312 with
[06:22] <nalioth> Harold: my fingers. (when i touch it and can't keep my hand on it, it's too hot)
[06:22] <lcharly_TheOne> amd turion 64
[06:22] <Harold> nalioth, LOL
[06:22] <lcharly_TheOne> and ubuntu hoary doesn't wotk
[06:23] <dabaR> has
[06:23] <dabaR> ha!
[06:23] <Harold> nalioth, Have you ever plugged headphones into your iBook(s) and found no sound coming out (except for from the iBook's speakers)? That's my current issue.
[06:23] <dabaR> !doesnt work
[06:23] <ubotu> dabaR: I give up, what is it?
[06:23] <dabaR> !doesn't work
[06:23] <ubotu> doesn't work is, like, something you should never say. Be more specific.
[06:23] <nalioth> Harold: are you using ubuntu?
[06:23] <Harold> nalioth, Of course!Q
[06:23] <lcharly_TheOne> ok
[06:23] <Harold> nalioth, Are you?
[06:23] <lcharly_TheOne> when i install it is too slow
[06:24] <dabaR> lcharly_TheOne: more info.
[06:24] <nalioth> Harold: yes ubuntu, no to the headphones (i dont use 'phones)
[06:24] <elsha> oh, so it does work
[06:24] <elsha> :P
[06:24] <lcharly_TheOne> and when finish and i put my username
[06:24] <lcharly_TheOne> and pass '
[06:24] <lcharly_TheOne> the screen freezy and nothing happend
[06:24] <Harold> nalioth, I don't know that it's critical, but I wanted to be able to listen to sound through headphones once in awhile.
[06:25] <Harold> nalioth, Here's what I've found: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-40400.html
[06:25] <lcharly_TheOne> i hava an ATI xpress 200 m
[06:25] <bubbasheeko> does anybody have any suggestions for me? I have a TVM monitor, but it won't let me see the login screen. I can't get the screen above a 800x600 resolution.
[06:25] <Harold> nalioth, Basically, that's a link to someone else experiencing the same issue, but no explanation.
[06:26] <mruiz> someone can explain me what is a milestone version?
[06:26] <dabaR> nalioth: did you ever notice an option inside osX to allow closing the laptop, and not going to sleep?
[06:26] <elsha> bubbasheeko, have you tried altering the refresh rate on the different resolutions?
[06:26] <lcharly_TheOne> i probe with a lot of dostrobution and the others one
[06:27] <Myrtti> ummm
[06:27] <lcharly_TheOne> works but the cpu its always 52% work and the computer is too slow
[06:27] <Myrtti> I'm trying to install Java
[06:27] <Myrtti> the guide on wiki says to install JDK
[06:27] <Myrtti> which JDK, the source code?
[06:28] <lcharly_TheOne> and there is not procces use it the 52 %
[06:28] <lcharly_TheOne> cpu
[06:28] <nalioth> dabaR: there is no option standard with osx, you can d/l a kernel patch that will void your warranty and allow your 'book to continue operations while closed
[06:28] <orangerange> hello, I want to copy the table from http://www.ntt-west.co.jp/service_guide/2billing/billing03.html to a wordprocessor (like OOo Writer or abiword). when i do, the table's formatting is lost. can anyone help?
[06:29] <dabaR> My warranty is voided. But, is it bad for the comp really?
[06:29] <nalioth> Myrtti: do you have an x86 system?
[06:29] <nalioth> dabaR: may cause overheating is all
[06:29] <tritium> Myrtti, grab Sun's .bin installer, then install ubuntu's "java-package", and use fakeroot make-jpkg <file.bin> to make a .deb of the jdk
[06:29] <nalioth> tritium: that method doesnt work for all users, i was gettin there
[06:29] <Harold> lcharly_TheOne, What is that processor speed on that Compaq?
[06:30] <Tenshi> I just installed windoze, so now I need to restore grub. Does ubuntu have a special command to do this for its setup?
[06:30] <lcharly_TheOne> 1.6 ghz
[06:30] <lcharly_TheOne> or 1.8 im not shire
[06:30] <lcharly_TheOne> shure
[06:30] <dabaR> nalioth: a kernel patch for OSX, sounds dangerous:)), well, I wish I knew how to do those things, Ill google.
[06:30] <dabaR> thanks, nalioth .
[06:30] <elph0> good afternoon
[06:30] <Harold> dabaR, Watch that overheating
[06:31] <Harold> dabaR, nalioth can give you a horror story about that.
[06:31] <dabaR> I will, ha!
[06:31] <tritium> nalioth, what are you referring to?
[06:31] <elph0> someone here got problems with lpt1 printer?
[06:31] <nalioth> tritium: nothing i'm completely off my bean today
[06:31] <tritium> nalioth :)
[06:32] <Harold> lcharly_TheOne, How many processes do you have going?
[06:32] <Tenshi> Is there a shell script to tell grub to reinstall itself back into the mbr?
[06:32] <Harold> lcharly_TheOne, By the way, I'm very new to Ubuntu, so I may not be the best person to work with you on this...
[06:32] <lcharly_TheOne> jaja
[06:33] <nalioth> Harold: quit tellin stories
[06:33] <Harold> nalioth, LOL
[06:33] <lcharly_TheOne> i read in internet that the amd turion don't work whit ubuntu
[06:33] <JoshRA> Has anayone had a problem installing ubuntu from a cd ordered from ubuntu?
[06:34] <Seveas> JoshRA, no :)
[06:34] <guillem> lcharly_TheOne, what is an amd turion?
[06:34] <Harold> lcharly_TheOne, Is that what you have? The Turion?
[06:34] <JoshRA> Seveas: well with each cd for me it is a differnt file
[06:34] <JoshRA> that it says it has a problem with
[06:34] <lcharly_TheOne> yes i have amd turion 64
[06:34] <JoshRA> >.<
[06:34] <nalioth> guillem: a Turion is AMDs new name for their mobile amd64
[06:34] <elph0> How can i add an lpt1 (lp0) port for use a Deskjet CX970C?
[06:34] <zAo^> I'm planning to buy a MX500 (or so). Do the 'return' buttons work in FireFox?
[06:34] <uber_newber> can sum1 tell me why i cant adjust my screen resolution
[06:34] <guillem> lcharly_TheOne, nalioth, oh I see
[06:34] <Harold> lcharly_TheOne, Well, maybe that's the problem.
[06:35] <guillem> I'm pretty happy with my Athlon 64.
[06:35] <Harold> lcharly_TheOne, I'm don't really know, though.
[06:35] <Harold> !turion
[06:35] <ubotu> Harold: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[06:35] <Harold> !amd
[06:35] <ubotu> Harold: No idea
[06:36] <elph0> !lp0
[06:36] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, elph0
[06:36] <elph0> !lpt1
[06:36] <ubotu> elph0: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[06:36] <elph0> ahuuhahua cool bot
[06:37] <Harold> lcharly_TheOne, Here's a thread about the Turion issue, I believe: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=50100&highlight=turion
[06:37] <dabaR> /msg ubotu msg the bot
[06:37] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me adjust my screen resoltion i go to system>preferences> and the screen resolution but it only gives me one option, 640x480 which is the size i have now but i really dont like it.
[06:37] <bubbasheeko> elsha, yes. I only have two selections
[06:38] <black13> mcphail around?
[06:38] <Harold> lcharly_TheOne, It may be a video card configuration issue, according to that thread.
[06:39] <skalpel> does anyone know what the command for pysoulseek is after installation is done?
[06:40] <elsha> bubbasheeko, i've been looking into stuff about monitors today, i dont know what is causing your problem, but it could be a) your video card, not having the correct drivers installed for the OS, b) your monitor is crap, c) erm... see b.
[06:40] <zAo^> how do I start ftpd? :S
[06:41] <zAo^> nm :S
[06:41] <guillem> zAo^, install the server from synaptic.
[06:42] <skalpel> what does this mean?
[06:42] <skalpel> Can not find wxPython modules. Either wxPython is not
[06:42] <skalpel> installed, or it's not in Python's module search path
[06:42] <trm> Can anyone help me, I can not get any sound out of VLC, although all system sounds are working
[06:44] <selinium> Hi all, Is mplayer no longer in Multiverse?
[06:44] <bubbasheeko> I knew that already elsha :P
[06:44] <elsha> i hate my monitor
[06:44] <holycow> argh!
[06:44] <holycow> goddammit
[06:44] <bubbasheeko> it's bigger than my 15 inch daewoo
[06:44] <elsha> nah, i have a 15" hyundai
[06:45] <trm> anyone here familliar with VLC ?
[06:45] <elsha> WHICH DOESNT EVEN WORK IN BOOTUP oooh, wewewewe "video mode not supported"
[06:45] <elsha> useless
[06:45] <lcharly_TheOne> when the new breezy version is avalible?
[06:45] <trm> elsha, I have a 19" Hyundai and it works gr8
[06:46] <Seveas> lcharly_TheOne, october
[06:47] <Seveas> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months
[06:47] <lcharly_TheOne> ok
[06:47] <elsha> trm, it's actually, as far as i'm aware at the moment, just a fluke of incompatibility between my particular video card and hyundai monitors... well, so it would appear
[06:47] <nalioth> howdy Seveas
[06:47] <uber_newber> my little update manager thing told me i had 39 updates available, so i clicked on it and it listed all the updates and i hit install but then i got the error: Another package manager is running
[06:47] <uber_newber> You can run only one package management application at the same time. Please close this other application first. the only other thing i have open is this x-chat room
[06:48] <Belutz> hai Seveas
[06:48] <Belutz> hai nalioth
[06:48] <Belutz> :D
[06:48] <nalioth> Belutz: howdy
[06:48] <Seveas> uber_newber, odd....
[06:48] <Belutz> nalioth: how r u?
[06:48] <uber_newber> Seaveas: ya i know
[06:48] <nalioth> Belutz: gifted, as usual
[06:48] <uber_newber> its never happend b4
[06:49] <Belutz> nalioth: great :D
[06:49] <apokryphos> Seveas: hey, any idea if there's an easy way to alter the resolution/refresh-rate of the gdm/kdm login screen?
[06:49] <Belutz> nalioth: you're gifted to help other ubuntu users :D
[06:49] <Seveas> uber_newber, if this situation persists after reboot, sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[06:49] <nalioth> Belutz: exactly
[06:49] <uber_newber> ok thanx
[06:50] <uber_newber> rebooting now.....
[06:50] <Seveas> apokryphos, you would neet to edit xorg.conf or run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:50] <noobie> juz curious, is there a recommended audio/video player for ubuntu? can't seem to play any mp3s/wma/avi/mpeg files wif totem
[06:50] <Seveas> noobie: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[06:50] <Despeeh> vlc
[06:50] <Belutz> nalioth: :)
[06:50] <apokryphos> Seveas: when the problem persists even after that; have seen several members who've had the problem.
[06:50] <selinium> Hi all, Is mplayer no longer in Multiverse?
[06:50] <Seveas> apokryphos, this problem can happen after an unclean shutdown of a package manager
[06:51] <Seveas> apokryphos, sorry, mixing uo...
[06:51] <noobie> seveas: thanx! but how is it tt totem won't play the files? had the impression tt it would
[06:51] <trm> elsha, what video card ?
[06:51] <Seveas> apokryphos, you should remove all non-needed resolutions...
[06:51] <bubbasheeko> my daewoo is 15 inches, and works perfectly, but I want my 17 to work
[06:51] <apokryphos> Seveas: ok, good idea.
[06:51] <Seveas> noobie, with gstreamer0.8-mad (or totem-xine) totem plays mp3s fine
[06:51] <Paradoxx> later all, i'm out
[06:51] <nalioth> noobie: for legal reasons, mp3 and other codecs don't come by default in ubuntu
[06:53] <LeeColleton> nalioth: are those legal reasons only pertinent in the US?
[06:53] <selinium> how do i get a copy of mplayer?
[06:53] <noobie> seveas/nalioth: thx a bunch, heh... wait... if that's the case... isn't... MS gonna b in trouble?:]
[06:53] <LeeColleton> noobie: you can pay a fee to distribute mp3 decoders
[06:53] <noobie> selinium: http://linux.softpedia.com/progDownload/MPlayer-Download-20.html
[06:54] <nalioth> LeeColleton: probably so, yes
[06:54] <trm> if I have installed vlc and libdvdcss2 would I still need something else because I am getting no sound through VLC ?
[06:54] <LeeColleton> if you have a hardware mp3 player, 1$ of the cost went to license the codec
[06:54] <LeeColleton> nalioth: wouldn't it be fun to make a non-US version of Ubuntu? hmm...
[06:55] <nalioth> !info mplayer
[06:55] <LeeColleton> for distribution outside of the US, of course
[06:55] <nalioth> !info mplayer-386
[06:55] <ubotu> mplayer-386: (The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux), section multiverse/graphics, is extra. Version: 1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6 (hoary), Packaged size: 3499 kB, Installed size: 7592 kB
[06:55] <apokryphos> nalioth: I think it has to be a specific cpu version of mplayer, doesn't it?
[06:55] <apokryphos> yah
[06:55] <nalioth> selinium: mplayer is in multiverse
[06:55] <LeeColleton> !info mplayer-686
[06:55] <ubotu> mplayer-686: (transitional dummy package which can be safely removed), section multiverse/graphics, is extra. Version: 1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6 (hoary), Packaged size: 54 kB, Installed size: 96 kB
[06:56] <erchache> how long are downloading svn content with a atm connection?
[06:56] <MMTXNET> how can i streamline ubuntu with a gui and the ability to burn DVD and use wine on a 1ghz 512mb machine
[06:56] <erchache> oooopss
[06:56] <erchache> finished
[06:56] <erchache> :P
[06:56] <selinium> nalioth: i have enabled all repos in synaptic including all hidden ones. I have refreshed the list and still no mplayer!
[06:57] <erchache> ooops
[06:57] <nalioth> selinium: search for "mplayer"
[06:57] <nalioths_dog> selinium: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[06:58] <MMTXNET> any takers
[06:58] <selinium> nalioth: i have! ok will do.
[06:58] <nalioth> selinium: the link the dog sent you has more than the default sources
[06:58] <Despeeh> did you remember to run apt-get update
[06:59] <aigarius> juck, breezy is as unstable as fedora :P
[06:59] <selinium> Despeeh: yep!
[06:59] <Despeeh> aigarius I know :)
[06:59] <gangalee> MMTXNET: sounds like you want Movix
[06:59] <noddaba> i did the "expert" install for hoary, and when I went to set the root password, i screwed up the first password. Ctrl-U apparentlyd idn't work, so I can't get the second pass to match. Hitting <Go back> won't let me retype the first password in. Can anyone help?
[06:59] <noddaba> and is this a bug in the installer?
[07:00] <Despeeh> passwd
[07:00] <aigarius> does the X maintainer know how screwed the current breezy package is?
[07:00] <gangalee> Any1 can help me w/ my problem where I moved /etc/ to a new partition and now my system won't boot because it can't find /etc?
[07:00] <MMTXNET> i just want to be able to rip movies the quickest way possible and i have heard people are getting really fast rips and encodes with ubuntu and wine using dvd shrink and dvd decrypter
[07:00] <nalioth> noddaba: continue the process, it wont let it go with unmatched passwords
[07:00] <catolh> !dma
[07:00] <frank> aigurius: probably
[07:00] <noddaba> nalioth, I don't know what the first password was. i'm trying to get it to restart the process so I can re-enter the first password
[07:00] <aigarius> gangalee, well it propably tries to find /etc/fstab :)
[07:00] <Despeeh> ups
[07:01] <nalioth> noddaba: i understand, but if you fumbled the pwd attempt, it should not allow you to continue the install
[07:01] <thierry> I have a huge problem : I can't mount anything on my second cd-rom drive (wich also read dvd)
[07:01] <MMTXNET> how big is ubuntu
[07:02] <apokryphos> MMTXNET: big
[07:02] <selinium> nalioth: is that the whole list?
[07:02] <thierry> well, in fact I can mount cd-rom but no dvd
[07:02] <noddaba> nalioth, really? Since you are already installing the system (thus being physically at the machine and having around formatted the drive), why can't it allow you to reset the password if you "fumbled" the first attempt?
[07:02] <elwood> hi all guys
[07:02] <apokryphos> MMTXNET: you probably need at least around 2 gigs, I'd guess
[07:02] <noddaba> around = already
[07:02] <MMTXNET> how big is the download
[07:03] <nalioth> selinium: that list will get you all of official ubuntu
[07:03] <frank> MMTXNET: 1 cd
[07:03] <apokryphos> MMTXNET: around 700 megs
[07:03] <MMTXNET> cool
[07:03] <elwood> yes
[07:03] <elwood> where i can find an update sources.list?
[07:03] <thierry> well, finally I just can't mount dvd-r
[07:03] <MMTXNET> does it support auto updates
[07:03] <elwood> i have the one of the cd installation
[07:03] <nalioth> noddaba: i would think it would not allow you to continue the installation
[07:04] <nalioth> elwood: what kind of updates?
[07:04] <elwood> nalioths i have to do apt-get update :)
[07:04] <gangalee> aigarius: I know, how do I specify where the filesystems are before inittab?
[07:04] <elwood> i need the mirror... i have just the deb cd :
[07:05] <elph0> thierry: did you try mounting with -t option?
[07:05] <nalioths_dog> elwood: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[07:05] <thierry> how do I do that?
[07:05] <stjepan> heya
[07:05] <Darth^Gochfulshi> ...
[07:05] <elph0> thierry
[07:05] <stjepan> I can't surf
[07:05] <stjepan> please
[07:05] <thierry> elph0 : how do I do that?
[07:06] <aigarius> gangalee, I can only think about hacking up the initrd
[07:06] <stjepan> can you give me link to ubuntu .deb package of ndiswrapper?
[07:06] <stjepan> pls
[07:06] <elwood> nalioths_dog, thanks !
[07:06] <gangalee> I tried starting from Kanotix, but it won't let me write to the hard drive
[07:06] <D^Gochfulshigan> there...
[07:06] <D^Gochfulshigan> not quite
[07:06] <D^Gochfulshigan> but close
[07:06] <stjepan> so?
[07:06] <gangalee> aigarius: how do I hack the initrd?
[07:07] <gangalee> or is there a way to get a live CD to allow me to write to a ext3fs?
[07:07] <elph0> thierry: with -t vfat or -t iso9660 ... i dont know if works.. possible not...but you can try
[07:07] <aigarius> gangalee, almost any livecd will allow you that
[07:07] <stjepan> oh
[07:07] <stjepan> never mind
[07:08] <gangalee> aigarius: I just have to change the fstab options?
[07:08] <aigarius> gangalee, hacking initrd is pretty hard if you don't know what you are doing. I would suggest moving most of /etc back to root partition
[07:10] <thespiritoftal> Doesn't ubuntu have a c-compiler by default?
[07:10] <nalioth> thespiritoftal: not it does not, install "build-essential"
[07:11] <thespiritoftal> thanks
[07:11] <LokeDK> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=274216 any ideas?
[07:11] <thespiritoftal> it installs cc right?
[07:12] <nalioth> thespiritoftal: not sure about cc, but gcc is definitely there
[07:12] <Seveas> thespiritoftal, yes it will
[07:13] <thespiritoftal> okie thanks
[07:13] <thespiritoftal> and what is the reason they have neither java nor c-compiler?
[07:13] <thespiritoftal> so weird
[07:14] <ryan> how do I set who can log in using ssh?
[07:14] <sJaM> you can use iptables
[07:14] <Harold_researchn> Anyone: How do we force-quit an app in Ubuntu?
[07:15] <sJaM> to block port 21 to certain host
[07:15] <sJaM> or allow it only for some host
[07:15] <sJaM> I mean port 22
[07:15] <sJaM> hehe
[07:15] <rem_> xkill or top and kill or ps and kill ...
[07:15] <ryan> wow, that's almost worse than useless :p
[07:15] <rem_> easiest xkill
[07:15] <Harold_researchn> rem_, Thanks
[07:15] <ryan> how do I set what users can log in I should have asked :)
[07:15] <] |[dArt-ChunY> heyko, I have a problem with TeamSpeak can anyone help me out? I installed TS (latest version), but when I start it nothing happends.
[07:16] <Kimppa> Hello.. does anyone know how to set up double screen on ubuntu? or is it even possible?
[07:16] <Harold_researchn> rem_, Did the trick! Thanks
[07:16] <sJaM> well I know you can deny root
[07:16] <black13> ok i have build ubutunto chroot on mandrake
[07:16] <nalioth> Harold_researchn: applications > run application > xkill once it starts, the next thing you touch is dead
[07:16] <sJaM> but others I don't know actually
[07:16] <TheLight> can anyone here help me with an obscure kernel error?
[07:16] <wdh> ryan, thats an interesting question.. i'll dive into it and let you know :P i'm curious myself
[07:17] <ryan> thanks :)
[07:17] <Harold_researchn> nalioth, Thanks for telling me now; now my t.v. remote is dead.
[07:17] <nalioth> thespiritoftal: reason being is that for most users a compiler is not needed
[07:17] <Harold_researchn> nalioth, Ah, who needs t.v. anyway? It's a waste of time.
[07:17] <thierry> when I try to mount a dvd-r I get this : mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda,
[07:17] <thierry> missing codepage or other error
[07:17] <thierry> In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[07:17] <thierry> dmesg | tail or so
[07:18] <thierry> but when I read a dvd or a cd-rom is all right
[07:18] <antisocialboris> can anyone help me setup my wireless internet connection?
[07:19] <uber_newber> antiscocialboris: wats yur wireless card?
[07:19] <desrt> can someone give me a hand with compiling kernel from source?
[07:19] <antisocialboris> let me see if i can ind out..
[07:19] <desrt> basically, i need to know what the correct way to get all of the patches in debian/ applied to the tree is
[07:20] <salil> hello
[07:20] <wims> i have mounted my windows drives through fstab under /mnt/c and /mnt/d. But when i try to cd /mnt/c i get permission denied. if i try to chmod a+rx i get chmod: changing permissions of `c': Read-only file system. How can i access my windows drives while being my normal user?
[07:20] <Seveas> wims, add the option umask=0000 to the fstab line
[07:21] <wims> thanks
[07:21] <salil> i get only one screen resolution option 640x480...any help available?
[07:21] <antisocialboris> ok, ive found a sheet called guidelines for intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG
[07:22] <uber_newber> antiscocial: im guessing your running ubuntu right
[07:22] <handle> hey, wims are you using ntfs or fat32?
[07:22] <gilligan> is anyone here using alsa/dmix ?
[07:22] <antisocialboris> yes
[07:22] <ryan> aha AllowUsers
[07:22] <antisocialboris> the help thing told me it would be easy to install by clicking on an add button that isnt there
[07:22] <thespiritoftal> I have compiled my programme but can't run it... when I typed the name in the terminal it says no such command and when I open in from places-home--> I click on it and nothing happens :/
[07:23] <uber_newber> antiscocialboris: well im a noob, but my best guess would b to ask around for what drivers supports yur wireless card
[07:23] <ryan> thespiritoftal: ./prog name
[07:23] <Petrov> hello
[07:23] <ryan> and make sure it's marked execute in the permissions
[07:23] <antisocialboris> ok
[07:23] <Petrov> ubuntu is that good for desktop or server?
[07:23] <Harold_researchn> Anyone: Know how to fire up a PC Card in the morning?
[07:23] <ryan> Petrov, I use it for both
[07:24] <Petrov> ryan, thx
[07:24] <Harold_researchn> Anyone: Whenever I run a package to access my iRiver, I'm getting the error: "Could not find any USB busses."
[07:25] <antisocialboris> can anyone else help me with my connection?
[07:25] <TheLight> Hello, is there anyone here who would help me diagnose an obscure kernel error?
[07:25] <Harold_researchn> Anyone: Yet yesterday I was able to access my PC Card fine.
[07:25] <emanuelez> hello!
[07:25] <emanuelez> any hope for inkscape 0.42 in hoary anytime soon?
[07:26] <Harold_researchn> Anyone: So, my question is, what commands do I run to fire up my PC Card every day?
[07:26] <wims> handle: ntfs
[07:27] <handle> wims: are they fully support with captive now?
[07:27] <wdh> ryan, any luck yet on blocking specific users from logging in remotely? I seem to have found the answer
[07:27] <wims> huh?
[07:27] <ombr> hi
[07:27] <handle> I thought you need special drivers to read/write ntfs or is that old?
[07:28] <wims> i have the drivers
[07:28] <wims> it works when i'm root
[07:28] <wims> though i can't write
[07:28] <handle> are they commercial drivers?
[07:28] <wdh> handle, nope.. just highly experimental/unstable
[07:28] <ryan> AllowUsers
[07:28] <Despeeh> wims try forexample ntfs ro,umask=0220 0 0
[07:28] <ryan> thanks thoug wdh :)
[07:28] <wims> i think they are in multiverse or something
[07:28] <handle> I tried a disk from bit defender that had captive drivers
[07:29] <Harold_researchn> Anyone: Know how to access another computer that's on the network? Specifically, a Mac OS X machine?
[07:29] <handle> I seemed to be able to write a text file
[07:29] <wdh> ryan, hmmz.. we seem to have found a different solution to the same problem :P
[07:29] <ryan> lol
[07:29] <ryan> allow/deny group/user
[07:29] <ryan> what's your solution?
[07:29] <wdh> ryan, i ended up with /etc/sshusers-allowed
[07:29] <ryan> I suppos I could do cert auth
[07:29] <wdh> ryan, you just write this allow/deny thing to the config-file?
[07:30] <ryan> apparently
[07:30] <wdh> ryan, and you tested it?
[07:30] <ryan> not yet
[07:30] <iceman2k> Anyone using a 64 bit System.... i need Advice on moving to 64 bit...
[07:30] <ryan> wdh: but it's listed in the man page for sshd
[07:31] <ryan> wdh, or sshd_config I mean
[07:31] <antisocialboris> im using AMD64
[07:32] <iceman2k> antisocialboris u using ubuntu 64 bit ...
[07:32] <antisocialboris> yeah
[07:32] <antisocialboris> though im a newb
[07:32] <iceman2k> what speed amd64 processor
[07:32] <antisocialboris> 3400+
[07:32] <Kimppa> Hello.. does anyone know how to set up double screen on ubuntu? or is it even possible?
[07:33] <handle> Anyone know how to stop nautilus-cd-burner appearing when I put a disk in?
[07:33] <iceman2k> should be getting a 2800 system in the next day or two...
[07:33] <drummer> Hi caan someone help me with some printer issues
[07:33] <wims> kimmpa it's possible
[07:33] <frank> iceman2k: are you new to linux? some things are annoying with Ubuntu64.
[07:33] <HappyFool> handle: System -> Preferences -> Removable media; you should be able to find what you want there
[07:33] <jeukku_> Kimppa: google for dual head ubuntu
[07:33] <Kimppa> k
[07:33] <handle> great! thanks
[07:33] <iceman2k> antisocialboris any big issues
[07:34] <iceman2k> im new, yes.... but refuse to pay microshaft $250 for a 64 bit windows
[07:34] <antisocialboris> i have some annoyances, how much is down to ubuntu and how much is down to me im not sure
[07:35] <iceman2k> wine work with 64 bit ? yet ?
[07:35] <Andares> I do not think so.
[07:35] <antisocialboris> like i said earlier i read through the help to try and get my wireless connection working and it told me it was easy, all i had to do was click an add button that was nonexistant
[07:35] <Andares> In fact, iceman2k, what do you mean?
[07:35] <frank> iceman2k: if you want to have flash plugin in firefox, vmware, most games, you need to setup a 32 chroot. some programs were unstable for me in 64 bits like kaffeine, and streamtuner. there is no backports for 64 bits
[07:35] <HappyFool> i think it might work in a limited fashion; however, you can just apt-get it
[07:36] <HappyFool> oops
[07:36] <HappyFool> *cannot* just apt-get it
[07:36] <Andares> Do you want it to work with 64-bit apps or 32-bit apps?
[07:36] <ubuntu_dell> hi there
[07:37] <wdh> ryan, ok, i liked your solution.. and it works here charmingly well :)
[07:37] <Andares> j3llo.
[07:37] <frank> iceman2k: If you want less problems, stick with the 32bit version of Ubuntu. I don't see the performance difference in what I do day to day
[07:37] <ryan> okay :)
[07:37] <iceman2k> looking to run wine with Diablo II .... Farcry, and a few available linux games... including America's army online ...
[07:37] <Andares> iceman2k, It is damn well impossible to run 32-bit Windows apps on a 64-bit distro of Ubuntu.
[07:37] <ryan> this is good
[07:37] <zAo^> how can I disable those 'minimise amimations' in Gnome???
[07:38] <lesshaste> how can I get logging or debugging turned on in mplayerplug-in?
[07:38] <lesshaste> I want to record which URL is being played
[07:38] <iceman2k> ouch, looks like my goals are out of reach, what about Duel Boot... 32 bit Ubuntu and 64 bit .... then running the windows apps in the 32 bit boot
[07:38] <frank> iceman2k: I'll wait until you can transparently install 32bit applications before switching to Ubuntu64. It's supposed to be coming, I don't know when
[07:39] <iceman2k> Duel boot, from seprate hard drives ...
[07:39] <Andares> If you want to play Windows games, then just...
[07:39] <Andares> GAAA! Pet Peeve #1 Activated!
[07:39] <Andares> Duel is a fight between 2 people! Dual is 2 of something!
[07:40] <frank> iceman2k: everything you want to do is possible in 64, but easier in 32. And the performance difference isn't that great unless you do cpu intensive stuff in 64 bits all the time like video encoding
[07:40] <iceman2k> one harddrive devoted to 64 bit ... on devoted to 32 bit ...
[07:40] <iceman2k> two hard drives ...
[07:40] <Andares> Just dual boot WinXP and Ubuntu64 if you want to play Windoze games.
[07:40] <Andares> Why?
[07:40] <Andares> Just get two partitions.
[07:40] <Despeeh> vmware
[07:41] <Andares> Despeeh, no. That would be slow++.
[07:41] <Despeeh> qemu :)
[07:41] <iceman2k> 40 gig for a winblows ... and 80 gig for linux
[07:41] <Andares> Yea.
[07:41] <Andares> iceman2k, Why not just use two partitions?
[07:41] <HappyFool> zAo^: i'm not sure -- i actually have the 'enable_animations' in gconf turned, but i has those minimization animations anyway
[07:41] <godzirra> I dont think I could fill up an 80 gig linux partition :)
[07:42] <iceman2k> seprate ide channels .... easier to recover if a crash ocures ...
[07:42] <zAo^> thanks HappyFool I tried everything :)
[07:42] <Andares> I guess.
[07:42] <godzirra> riiiight.
[07:42] <HappyFool> heh
[07:42] <iceman2k> Would like to see if America's army online supports 64 bit linux
[07:43] <HappyFool> yeah, crashes often spread over ide cables ;)
[07:43] <Andares> iceman2k, Don't bet on it.
[07:43] <iceman2k> Andares i know... Farcry does support6 a 64 bit version...
[07:43] <godzirra> I hate those damned ide virii that spread through ide cables.
[07:43] <Andares> iceman2k, Oh cool! I want one.
[07:43] <Andares> godzirra, Wait... virii on LINUX?!
[07:44] <frank> iceman2k: I don't if there are others here who tried Ubuntu64, but I wouldn't recommend it for someone new to linux. 32 is like heaven compared to the pain 64 was, and I had used linux before
[07:44] <iceman2k> Andares What i think doom 3 is available in 64 bit ... as well. there are a few games out ...
[07:44] <godzirra> Andares: Yes.. the ones that spread via ide cable to cause crashes. :)
[07:45] <Andares> iceman2k, Well, I just want Doom 3 and Farcry... I don't have 64-bit proc.
[07:45] <frank> I know far cry is, and the improvement is not extraordinary. It's the only one I heard about
[07:45] <Andares> In fact, I really want HL2..
[07:45] <wims> hl2 :(
[07:45] <Andares> Does HL2 work in Wine/Cedega?
[07:45] <godzirra> eh. fps's just dont do it for me anymore.
[07:45] <frank> supposedly, yes
[07:45] <Andares> Why the :(, wims?
[07:45] <wims> i was a bit disapointed
[07:45] <iceman2k> I would go with Hl2 but hate the Steam online platform ...
[07:46] <godzirra> Steam is not your friend.
[07:46] <iceman2k> he he
[07:46] <frank> .... if you don;t want to pay, I guess
[07:46] <Andares> HL2's physics engine scares me... in a good way.
[07:46] <iceman2k> why pay to play ... to many free games available ...
[07:47] <iceman2k> i got farcry a week or two ago... 32 bit ... windows .. it rocks
[07:48] <frank> iceman2k: yeah it looks really good if your video card can handle high settings
[07:48] <iceman2k> 256 meg nvidia
[07:48] <frank> iceman2k: do you have an ATI or Nvidia card?
[07:48] <frank> ok
[07:48] <iceman2k> ;)
[07:48] <frank> nvidia is better in linux
[07:48] <iceman2k> learned that a while back ...
[07:48] <ZincX> nvidia sux
[07:48] <iceman2k> no way
[07:49] <frank> uh oh....
[07:49] <ZincX> yes way
[07:49] <iceman2k> Nvidia rocks
[07:49] <Seveas> ZincX, nvidia supports linux much better than ati does
[07:49] <ZincX> even if thats so
[07:49] <ZincX> nvidia sux
[07:49] <Seveas> however, ati is technologically better
[07:49] <Seveas> so both of you are right :)
[07:50] <iceman2k> use what works ... 3com modem.. 3 com nic's ....
[07:50] <iceman2k> Nvidia video cards ...
[07:50] <ZincX> i guess
[07:50] <ZincX> lol
[07:50] <gangalee> what all do you need in order to get konqueror to work?
[07:50] <Despeeh> uses ati
[07:50] <Seveas> gangalee, apt-get install konqueror
[07:50] <Seveas> nothing more :)
[07:50] <gangalee> what about dcop?
[07:51] <ZincX> whats a konqueror ?
[07:51] <frank> kde's browser
[07:51] <Seveas> if konqueror depends on it, it will be installed
[07:51] <HappyFool> german conqueror
[07:51] <iceman2k> Wifes system runes Ubuntu ... waiting on my 64 bit system to migrate myself ..
[07:51] <ZincX> oooh.. ok ..
[07:52] <gangalee> I get this error: There was an error setting up inter-process communications for KDE. The message returned by the system was: Could not read network connection list. ~/.DCOPserver_myhostname
[07:52] <iceman2k> AMD 64 2800, with a SOYO gaming case ...
[07:52] <frank> well the performance crown has been exchanged a few times and probably will be again
[07:53] <sproingie> i'd say ati and nvidia are neck and neck performance wise
[07:53] <Neon|idle> wow
[07:53] <ZincX> are there any nice strategy games to play on this system
[07:53] <sproingie> but for linux, ati's practically a non-starter. i say that as an ati owner
[07:53] <ZincX> ??
[07:53] <iceman2k> Duel sli ... want to try that ...
[07:53] <Neon|idle> im stumpted already
[07:53] <Neon|idle> configuring wireless is hard work
[07:53] <frank> ATI used to be the mainstream and sucked at performance but things have changed alot since then
[07:53] <Neon|idle> any shed some light on getting my wireless network up and running on ubuntu, it is a supported card
[07:54] <Neon|idle> netgear WG311T
[07:54] <HappyFool> ZincX: you can try freeciv; it's a civilisation clone (turn-based)
[07:54] <ZincX> :S turn based.. doesnt sound nice
[07:54] <frank> well its civilisation
[07:55] <macgyver2> Wesnoth is an excellent strategy game too
[07:55] <Brazilian> Hello, Holycow!! Are you there?
[07:55] <sproingie> it's the classic 3x game. xplore, xpand, xterminate
[07:55] <macgyver2> Still turn-based
[07:55] <ZincX> :S
[07:55] <hacked``> guys, i just bought a pcmcia wifi card, can i just plug it in and reboot and ubuntu will detect it ?
[07:55] <stevenj> I have about codecs-I read in the unbuntu wiki to drop codecs in /usr/local/lib/codecs and then make links to .gnome2/totem-addons. but can't you just drop codecs directly into .gnome2/totem-addons? whats the advantage to making links? thanks
[07:55] <sproingie> freeciv's AI is supposed to be a lot better than the commercial game
[07:55] <frank> Panzer general was turn based and my friends still talk about startegy in specific scenarios!
[07:55] <hacked``> guys, are any of you using the madwifi driver ?
[07:56] <gangalee> I had to start konqueror as root...
[07:56] <HappyFool> stevenj: at a guess, other users (if you had any) could find them there
[07:56] <stevenj> HappyFool, I see thanks
[07:57] <Belutz> HappyFool: hai!! how r u?
[07:57] <ZincX> Seveas, does ur cpu make noise ??
[07:57] <ZincX> like this high pitched sound .??
[07:57] <HappyFool> Belutz: hi there :). I'm doing well, how are you?
[07:57] <catolh> seems like linux doesnt like me turning on Shadows in doom3.. :p reeeally choppy performance
[07:58] <frank> catolh: probably your card
[07:58] <Belutz> HappyFool: i'm fine too... getting more in love with ubuntu hehehe
[07:58] <catolh> frank, an ati card.. :) so yeah.. probably
[07:58] <Belutz> ZincX: it could be the processor's fan sound?
[07:58] <ZincX> Belutz, im not so sure...
[07:58] <Belutz> ZincX: i think it is, because my PC has that noise too
[07:59] <ZincX> wen im runnin linux for a cuple of hrs..
[07:59] <catolh> I dont like the fact that i cant play guildwars with cedega though.. :\ Alot of people have made it run with ATI cards.. :(
[07:59] <frank> any noise which is not fan nor drive is REALLY bad!
[07:59] <ZincX> it happens
[07:59] <ZincX> and then wen i off the monitor.. it goes off again
[07:59] <ZincX> wen i on it again.. it comes back
[07:59] <ZincX> im thinkin sumthin to do with the graphix card o sumthin :S
[07:59] <Neon|idle> what is a kernal source file ?
[07:59] <Neon|idle> code for the kernel ?
[07:59] <frank> yeah
[08:00] <HappyFool> Neon|idle: probably; in what context is this?
[08:00] <deprave[t> anyone experience hangups in the installation during primary installation repository setup?
[08:00] <Belutz> ZincX: the graphic's card fan maybe ?
[08:00] <Neon|idle> where do i get that from, my nvidia mobo drivers wont install without it apparentlty
[08:00] <Belutz> ZincX: maybe you should open up your CPU to find the source of the sound
[08:00] <ZincX> Belutz, no fan on the graphix card though.. its gigabyte ati .. doesnt produce heat that much
[08:00] <Neon|idle> more concerned with setting up my wireless networking
[08:00] <frank> Neon|idle: in synaptic / apt-get
[08:00] <Neon|idle> <- first time ive used linux :)
[08:01] <Neon|idle> bearing in mind im not online with the pc
[08:01] <ZincX> Belutz, its too high :S really disturbs the ear... cant trace the real source.. why wud i ask ?
[08:01] <Neon|idle> so it has to be downloadable via this pc
[08:01] <overclocked_486> hey, I'm having trouble with unmet dependencies likely because of an incorrect version of libc6. can anyone help?
[08:01] <Belutz> Neon|idle: welcome to the community :D
[08:01] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me adjust my screen resolution? i got to sytem> preferences> and then to screen resolution but it wont let me change it from its current size which is 640x480
[08:01] <elph0> someone installed vlc in ubuntu?
[08:01] <HappyFool> Neon|idle: you probably need to install a package called 'linux-kernel-headers'; it should be on the CD
[08:02] <Neon|idle> righto
[08:02] <frank> elph0: i did, it works great
[08:02] <Belutz> ZincX: i still curious about the processor's fan... but i donno...
[08:02] <ZincX> yeah.. maybe
[08:02] <ZincX> and hears the funny thing..
[08:02] <HappyFool> Neon|idle: oops
[08:02] <Belutz> ZincX: funny thing like what?
[08:02] <ZincX> wen i maximize xchat ... the noise is louder
[08:02] <ZincX> and i minimize .. its softer
[08:03] <frank> ???
[08:03] <HappyFool> Neon|idle: it's linux-headers-386 (or -686, or -k7)
[08:03] <ZincX> maybe the monitor.. wacha think ??
[08:03] <Neon|idle> ahok
[08:03] <Belutz> ZincX: hmmm then it could be the PSU fan?
[08:03] <ZincX> maybe the resolution is too high.. for the monitor to handle...
[08:03] <Neon|idle> so it will be listed in synapse then ?
[08:03] <ZincX> PSU fan ????????
[08:03] <frank> synaptic, yeah do a search
[08:03] <HappyFool> Neon|idle: in synaptic, yes
[08:03] <elph0> frank: where do you get the right packages ?
[08:03] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me adjust my screen resolution? i got to sytem> preferences> and then to screen resolution but it wont let me change it from its current size which is 640x480
[08:03] <ZincX> noowayy..
[08:03] <macgyver2> ZincX: My monitor used to do that...but only when it had been off for awhile and was warming up...
[08:03] <samurai> hi all
[08:03] <frank> elph0: from synaptic
[08:04] <ZincX> macgyver2, hmm.. so must be the monitor aen ?
[08:04] <elph0> do you change the repositories?
[08:04] <frank> elph0: you need universe enabled probably
[08:04] <Doonz> how can i check to see what type of ram a computer is running?
[08:04] <elph0> frank: how i do that?
[08:04] <samurai> can you install ubuntu hoary using nfs or ftp
[08:04] <citrus_> so my mouse just started tripin out and now its back to normal if i moved it an inch it would fly all around the screen and open programs up and stuff then it stopped then it did it again after i rebooted my machine and it stopped again.... anyone know why?
[08:04] <Belutz> ZincX: yup, it could be the monitor...
[08:04] <ZincX> yeah...
[08:04] <Jodam> hey guys - I'm having problems with an install on a laptop - I can boot from the ubuntu CD, but when I press enter to get on it just stops dead after the following two lines:
[08:04] <ZincX> sux.. sum leadtek :S
[08:05] <ZincX> thingy
[08:05] <Jodam> ACPI: Looking for DSDT in initrd... not found!
[08:05] <Jodam> ACPI: setting elcr to 0200 (from 0800)
[08:05] <Neon|idle> HappyFool: unfortunatly it wants to get online, so i think i need to sort my wireless network first :S
[08:05] <holycow> oi!
[08:05] <Belutz> ZincX: i think you should check it before anything bad happened
[08:05] <raptor> My computer will not boot from a cd.......how do i make a boot disk for it?
[08:05] <frank> elph0: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[08:05] <HappyFool> Neon|idle: that package should be on the cd; let me check
[08:06] <elph0> frank: thnx man ... i will try
[08:06] <Jodam> anyone ever experience anything like that?
[08:06] <Neon|idle> HappyFool: well i edited a file, sources.list and uncommented some stuff, should i recomment it out for it to look locally you think?
[08:06] <ZincX> Belutz, yeah.. maybe the thing mite blow up :S
[08:06] <pippijn> hi all
[08:07] <citrus_> is anyone connecting to ares of openft thru giftd?
[08:07] <samurai> is there any other alternative installation method when the cdrom drive can not be identified?
[08:07] <Belutz> ZincX: well hope that didn't happened
[08:07] <citrus_> or*
[08:07] <HappyFool> Neon|idle: if you don't have a network connection, there's no point in having network (http:// or ftp://) entries in sources.list
[08:07] <ZincX> not yet
[08:07] <HappyFool> Jodam: i think you can turn acpi off; let me see if there's anything on the wiki regardin that
[08:08] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me adjust my screen resolution? i got to sytem> preferences> and then to screen resolution but it wont let me change it from its current size which is 640x480
[08:08] <Jodam> thanks
[08:08] <Neon|idle> HappyFool: true, although id like to configure my wirelss so i can use it
[08:08] <drummer> Hi, can someone help me with printer driver problem?
[08:08] <HappyFool> Jodam: sorry, I have to make a phone call -- look yourself (wiki.ubuntu.com) or ask me again later
[08:08] <Crusty87> hi
[08:08] <Jodam> I will, thanks
[08:08] <Crusty87> j #ubuntu.de
[08:09] <phimic> moin
[08:09] <reaper> hey i neeeeeed hellllllllllp
[08:09] <Seveas> reaper, read the topic
[08:09] <Seveas> just ask :)
[08:10] <phimic> my debian crashed, i installed ubuntu and
[08:10] <phimic> i am very happy :)
[08:10] <Seveas> phimic, welcome aboard :)
[08:10] <reaper> my pc keeps changing screen size automatically
[08:10] <phimic> ubuntu is great thank u
[08:10] <drummer> Seveas: I asked and haven't gotten a response.
[08:10] <reaper> i finally got it to use 1280x1024 and it worked fine for a while
[08:10] <Seveas> drummer, maybe no one knew
[08:11] <drummer> Hmm - well how about now?
[08:11] <bionic> drummer, i think you have to say what the printer driver problem is? :)
[08:11] <Seveas> drummer, dunno, what was the question :)
[08:11] <reaper> now every time i restart i have to change resolution then change it back to get the right screen size
[08:12] <reaper> ctrl alt + dont work anymore
[08:12] <drummer> Ok I have an HP and when i attempt to print from say open opffice - it does not print.
[08:12] <drummer> The printer says it's processing a job then stops.
[08:12] <Seveas> reaper, you mean the resolution is fine when you start but somehow misplaced?
[08:12] <deprave[t> anyone experience hangups in the installation during primary installation repository setup?
[08:13] <reaper> its just the screen gets really big
[08:13] <reaper> resolution is still set when i check it
[08:13] <puff> morning.
[08:13] <reaper> but if i change res it goes to the correct size
[08:13] <Seveas> deprave[t, what kind of network connection do you have?
[08:13] <Seveas> reaper, are you using Hoary?
[08:13] <reaper> yes
[08:14] <puff> So i got unbuntu installed on my thinkpad (yay).
[08:14] <Seveas> reaper, paste your xorg.conf on a pastebin please
[08:14] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me adjust my screen resolution? i got to sytem> preferences> and then to screen resolution but it wont let me change it from its current size which is 640x480
[08:14] <puff> Typing this from my thinkpad now, in fact. However, is there another option that Applications/System Tools/Terminal?
[08:14] <Seveas> uber_newber: To find out how you can change your display resolution, go to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:14] <reaper> how do i do that
[08:15] <Seveas> puff, rightclick on the desktop, select open terminal
[08:15] <uber_newber> Seveas: thanx again dude
[08:15] <puff> I mainly need an ssh window that won't intercept my alt or ctrl keys.
[08:15] <reaper> k
[08:15] <Seveas> puff, or hit <alt><f2> and type gnome-terminal
[08:15] <reaper> k
[08:15] <Seveas> reaper, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl is the pastebin for this channel
[08:16] <drummer> Seveas: can you point me in the right direction on the above printing problem?
[08:16] <Neon|idle> does anyone have any information about setting up a WG311T wireless network card ? it says its supported but i cant find any guides/info
[08:16] <reaper> k
[08:16] <puff> Seveas: Those both appear to run the same terminal program. Is there a way to a) run this terminal wihtout it intercepting alt/ctrl keys meant for the terminal session, and b) up the font size in the terminal?
[08:16] <Seveas> drummer, unfortunately not
[08:17] <drummer> Seaveas: I was using Suse before and the printer drivers worked fine.
[08:17] <Seveas> puff, yes you can use <ctrl>- or ctrl>+ for the latter
[08:17] <Seveas> or use its preferences
[08:17] <Seveas> and you can disable the most annoying intercepts
[08:17] <drummer> In Ubuntu though I'm having all kinds of issues.
[08:17] <Belutz> Seveas: why <ctrl>- and <ctrl>+ won't work on my ubuntu?
[08:18] <raptor> I NEED HELP......the computer i have wont boot from a cd and i cannot find ne information on how to make a boot disk for ubuntu
[08:18] <drummer> Ok - I guess there's no one on this IRC channel who can help I'll try the boards.
[08:18] <elph0> frank: i installed here... vlc working... but sound not
[08:18] <j_fletcher> i just downloaded a certain rar file from newsgroups
[08:18] <Seveas> Belutz, it works only in the gnome terminal
[08:18] <elph0> frank: its alsa compatible?
[08:18] <j_fletcher> its a file of many rars
[08:19] <reaper> how do i copy it all
[08:19] <j_fletcher> but they all need to be extracted into one file
[08:19] <pippijn> hey
[08:19] <j_fletcher> on windows this was easy, but on linux, not so
[08:19] <pippijn> I can't send mails to the world
[08:19] <pippijn> but I can receive mails from the world
[08:19] <pippijn> how do I send mails to the world?
[08:19] <Belutz> Seveas: you mean not in gnome window manager?
[08:19] <Seveas> Belutz, no
[08:19] <Gerriall> My Ubuntu on my laptop in the dock comes up and starts X but the display is scrambled. Can I get to a CLI from this stage?
[08:19] <sproingie> j_fletcher: when rar becomes open source, you might see it become more flexible
[08:19] <HappyFool> j_fletcher: maybe 'unrar-nonfree' is what you want; it's in ubuntu's multiverse repository
[08:19] <Belutz> Seveas: ic... thx, i got new knowledge :D
[08:20] <j_fletcher> thanks guys
[08:20] <Seveas> pippijn, you wil need to set a correct domain naim in /etc/domainname and /etc/postfix/main.cf
[08:20] <reaper> Seveas how do i copy it all
[08:20] <Neon|idle> Atheros AR5212
[08:20] <Neon|idle>
[08:20] <ryan> did anybody ever get an answer for turning off minimize animations?
[08:20] <Seveas> reaper, open it in a text editoe
[08:20] <Seveas> editor*
[08:20] <Neon|idle> how do you go about installing this ?
[08:20] <pippijn> Seveas, my domain name is xinutec.mine.nu
[08:20] <Seveas> and select all and copy :)
[08:20] <pippijn> Seveas, echo xinutec.mine.nu > /etc/domainname
[08:20] <pippijn> that?
[08:21] <Neon|idle> apparently i need to input the WAP settings, but its not been detected at ath0
[08:21] <Seveas> Neon|idle, should work out of the box
[08:21] <Neon|idle> ive got sit0
[08:21] <salil> hey guys.. where can i get p2p softwares for ubuntu..??
[08:21] <Seveas> pippijn, that and edit main.cf
[08:21] <Neon|idle> yes, maybe i missed something, because its not working :P
[08:21] <Seveas> Neon|idle, you use WEP or WPA?
[08:21] <pippijn> myhostname = xinutec.mine.nu
[08:21] <Neon|idle> erm
[08:21] <Neon|idle> the access key one
[08:21] <pippijn> Seveas, I have that
[08:21] <basti> salil http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42084
[08:21] <salil> does anyone know..?
[08:21] <Seveas> Neon|idle, both are :)
[08:22] <Neon|idle> WPA
[08:22] <Neon|idle> you think thats causing the problem then?
[08:22] <Seveas> pippijn, in /etc/postfix/main.cf change the value for myhostname
[08:22] <salil> thanks basti.
[08:22] <pippijn> pippijn, I have it
[08:22] <Seveas> Neon|idle, yes, WPA support is still cranky, maybe wiki.ubuntu.com/WPAHowto can help you
[08:22] <pippijn> it is already set
[08:22] <reaper> Seveas u got it
[08:23] <pippijn> dpkg-preconfigure did it for me
[08:23] <Seveas> pippijn, then restart postfix and done :)
[08:23] <Neon|idle> cool, thanks
[08:23] <pippijn> Seveas, it was already there
[08:23] <Seveas> pippijn, but the /etc/mailname wasn't :)
[08:23] <pippijn> domainname
[08:24] <cjnodell> hello.
[08:24] <cjnodell> I have a few questions
[08:24] <Seveas> echo xinutec.mine.nu > /etc/mailname
[08:24] <Seveas> ^-- pippijn
[08:24] <pippijn> mailname?
[08:24] <pippijn> ok
[08:25] <salil> part from DC++ is there any othe softwares like limewire or something like that..?
[08:25] <basti> yeah
[08:25] <cjnodell> I just installed linux-wlan-ng and linux-wlan-docs with synaptic, where will i find the documentation?
[08:25] <Seveas> reaper, that file looks OK, file a bug on bugzilla.ubuntu.com please. Describe the error as clear as possible and attach this file
[08:25] <basti> check sourceforge for that salil
[08:25] <hacked``> guys, are any of you using the madwifi driver ?
[08:25] <Seveas> salil, gtk-gnutella
[08:25] <Seveas> (oslt)
[08:25] <Seveas> hacked``, I am
[08:25] <pippijn> Seveas, that was already there
[08:25] <Neon|idle> where can i get the wpasupplicant package from ?
[08:26] <pippijn> Seveas, I heard something about a reverse map
[08:26] <pippijn> where do I set that?
[08:26] <MartenH> Neon|idle: apt-get install wpa_supplicant
[08:26] <cjnodell> Anybody?
[08:26] <salil> and.. how do i know which distribution to d'load..?
[08:26] <hacked``> seveas, was it hard to do ?
[08:26] <Seveas> pippijn, you should use the domainname as assigned by your provider in the configuration
[08:26] <Neon|idle> yes
[08:26] <Neon|idle> but im not online
[08:26] <Neon|idle> hence my problem
[08:26] <Seveas> (if the .mine.nu thong does not work)
[08:27] <Neon|idle> i need to be able to download it to this pc and copy it over
[08:27] <pippijn> Seveas, it must work because it works for someone else at mine.nu too
[08:27] <Seveas> Neon|idle, , then download it on another pc from packages.ubuntu.com
[08:27] <Neon|idle> ah genius
[08:27] <Neon|idle> love you ;P
[08:27] <hacked``> seveas, does ubuntu come with madwifi
[08:27] <hume> i installed nfs to mount files on a server, but found out that my user have different uids on the machines - do i need to set up a NIS to solve this, or is there easier solutions?
[08:27] <Seveas> pippijn, then restart postfix now to see whether the .mine.nu address works
[08:27] <Seveas> hacked``, yes
[08:28] <reaper> Seveas i just noticed i have 2 xorg.conf files one has my original settings and one with my new res u think that could be the prob
[08:28] <Seveas> reaper, only the one named /etc/X11/xorg.conf is used
[08:28] <Seveas> hume, the easier solution is to change the UID on one of the systems
[08:29] <cjnodell> I just installed linux-wlan-ng and linux-wlan-docs with synaptic, where will i find the documentation?
[08:29] <Seveas> cjnodell, /usr/share/doc/linux-wlan-docs/
[08:29] <HappyFool> cjnodell: probably /usr/share/doc/linux-wlan-ng
[08:29] <hume> Seveas, can I just change UID without creating a new user and doing all that work?
[08:29] <Neon|idle> thanks for all the help guys
[08:29] <Neon|idle> appreciate it
[08:29] <Seveas> hume, possibly, but you would need to chown all files for the affected users too
[08:29] <Hoxzer> hmm... how do I mount windows shares?
[08:30] <Seveas> Hoxzer: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[08:30] <salil> help me out on something guys..
[08:30] <Hoxzer> coold
[08:30] <Hoxzer> cool
[08:30] <salil> where do i get bluetooth drivers..??
[08:30] <Gochfulshigan> ...
[08:30] <reaper> Seveas they both say that
[08:31] <hacked``> seveas, i just bought a pcmcia (orinoco gold) wifi card, can i just plug it in and reboot and ubuntu will detect it and install the madwifi drivers ?
[08:31] <Seveas> hacked``, you can even skip the reboot.
[08:31] <Seveas> but orinoco isn't madwifi
[08:31] <Seveas> atheros is madwifi
[08:33] <anacron> arrg, what was the wiki for enabling 3d support, like nvidia and ati
[08:33] <Seveas> anacron: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[08:33] <Seveas> argh wrong one :)
[08:33] <Seveas> anacron: You can read all about binary-only driver issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:33] <mjr> sev :)
[08:33] <anacron> :D
[08:34] <anacron> "whoops wrong button"
[08:34] <Myrtti> OK
[08:35] <Myrtti> I managed to install Java, but the program I'm trying to run says "line 1: java/jre1.5.0_04_linux/bin/java: No such file or directory"
[08:35] <Seveas> Myrtti, what are you trying to run?
[08:35] <salil> anyone know how to configure bluetooth adapter..????
[08:35] <Seveas> and how did you install java?
[08:35] <Seveas> salil, there is some info about that on wiki.ubuntu.com
[08:35] <hacked``> seveas, what are you talking about
[08:36] <Myrtti> I'm at Assembly Organizing and I was trying to run wandora, a software used for adding pictures to the media gallery
[08:36] <Myrtti> I installed the Java according to wiki's instructions
[08:36] <hacked``> seveas, Orinoco Gold 8470-WD
[08:36] <hacked``> its listed in http://madwifi.sourceforge.net/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=compatibility_list
[08:37] <Seveas> really....
[08:37] <Seveas> hacked``, ah, that orinoco card uses an Atheros chip
[08:38] <Seveas> Myrtti, what is the output of: java -version
[08:39] <Myrtti> 1.5.0_04, build 1.5.0_04-b05, HotSpot mixed mode, sharing
[08:40] <Myrtti> to say it shortly
[08:40] <Seveas> that's correct
[08:40] <Seveas> so apparently your application is faulty
[08:40] <equex> can one ask kubuntu/kde questions here ? (#kubuntu seems deserted)
[08:40] <Seveas> equex, sure
[08:40] <anacron> is there a command to update my 686 kernel into 64bit with atp-get?
[08:40] <Myrtti> orr....
[08:41] <tritium> Myrtti, looks like it may be a shell script, and it's looking for java in the wrong place. Try fixing the path
[08:41] <uber_newber> Seveas: what was the site on the screen resolution
[08:41] <Seveas> anacron, no, you need other versions of *all* packages if you go 64bit
[08:41] <Seveas> which simply means a reinstall
[08:41] <Seveas> uber_newber: To find out how you can change your display resolution, go to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:41] <hume> Seveas, is there a way to change the user namne for the user uid=1000?
[08:41] <dekket> hi. I just installed ubuntu, and the installation neglected to let me specify a root pwd, anyone know what the default is?
[08:41] <Seveas> hume, elog that user out, login as root and edit /etc/fstan and /etc/shadow
[08:42] <Seveas> /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow and /etc/gorup I mean
[08:42] <tritium> dekket, that was not neglect, but rather intentional
[08:42] <uber_newber> thanx
[08:42] <Seveas> /etc/group*
[08:42] <equex> how does the KMenu actually work ? does it have an internal list over installed apps, and then uses applications-kmenuedit.menu as a "filter" to produce the final menu structure ? i was wondering, because a fresh Kubuntu install has no applications-kmenuedit.menu, but it appears it is not safe to delete it when it has been first created. i need to know, because i need to find a safe way to edit the menu (Keditmenu fails too much)
[08:42] <anacron> Seveas: okay, i have 64bit cd, but i have only usb-cdrom right now, and this new pc doesn't boot from it for some reason
[08:42] <dekket> intentional? hmm ok
[08:42] <tritium> dekket, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[08:42] <dekket> okay
[08:43] <Seveas> equex, kde and gnome both adhere to the freedesktop.org standard nowadays, that means that .desktop files are used to build up the menu
[08:43] <dekket> kinda used to native debian so...
[08:43] <dekket> thanks for the help
[08:43] <Seveas> equex, try 'slocate .desktop' in the terminal
[08:43] <samurai> can you use nfs to install ubuntu... its not listed as an installation option, but debian can so I was just curious
[08:44] <stevenj> I have a strange issue-when I try to view properties of a mp3 (to assign all mp3s to open with beep)-nautilus locks up and I have to kill it--any suggestions?
[08:44] <equex> Seveas, aha i see.. that was what i first tried tinkering with, until i discovered keditmeu
[08:44] <Derkommissar> Hello
[08:44] <Seveas> stevenj, file a bug (if you van get more infOo)
[08:45] <Lalaine> Hi
[08:45] <stevenj> Seveas, i will just wondering if there is another method to assign mp3s to a certain player
[08:45] <Seveas> samurai, the ubuntu installer uses a CD or a remote repository by default, you can use an apache server on your local network. If you want to use no install cd you can use PXE to boot the installer
[08:46] <Hoxzer> can I somehow setup PHP script to run commands to linux?
[08:46] <Seveas> stevenj, I guess there is, but don't know it myself, sorry
[08:47] <Seveas> Hoxzer, do you mean running php scripts from the shell or running programs from php?
[08:47] <CoffeeBreaks> anyone knows where fo find packages like libdvdcss? I followed the unoficial guide but nothing is found in the multiverse/universe repositories.
[08:47] <samurai> Seveas: thanks, I can boot the initial installer from CD, but when it tries to recognize hardware it doesn't see it. Thats why I'm pursuing an alternative. Once the machine is up I won't need the cd at all..
[08:47] <Seveas> the latter works by default
[08:47] <HappyFool> CoffeeBreaks: look at the restrictedformats wiki page; i think it's at backports hoary-extras
[08:47] <Seveas> CoffeeBreaks, libdvdcss2 is in hoary-extras from backports (and ubuntuguide is quite a bad thing at certain points)
[08:47] <HappyFool> !restricted
[08:47] <ubotu> I guess restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:47] <Hoxzer> Seveas: running programs from PHP
[08:48] <Seveas> Hoxzer, that should work out of the box, browse through http://www.php.net/manual/en/ to find out which php functions to use
[08:48] <Hoxzer> k
[08:48] <Seveas> raptor, please turn that obnoxious script off in here
[08:49] <stevenj> Seveas, just so you know...finally found others in a forum that had the same problem...they say a reboot fixes it. hmm well gonna try it
[08:50] <patrickj> ello, whats the best bittorrent client for linux?
[08:50] <bionic> azereus imo
[08:50] <Seveas> azureus is nice indeed
[08:50] <bionic> azureus that is
[08:50] <desrt> gnome bittorrent :)
[08:50] <bionic> I do use ABC with crossover plugin too, works smooth :)
[08:51] <CoffeeBreaks> I have hoary-extras in my sources.list
[08:51] <CoffeeBreaks> but not dvdcss
[08:51] <Seveas> libdvdcss2
[08:52] <dsl1000> btdownloadcurses, if you wanna control it through command line
[08:53] <CoffeeBreaks> no libdvdcss2 (note I am an experienced Debian user). Note: I am on amd64. Could that be an issue?
[08:53] <Seveas> CoffeeBreaks, eh yeah
[08:53] <dsl1000> here is a question for you: emacs does not seem to be a package by default. does anyone have a smooth solution to get it running on hoary?
[08:53] <Seveas> backports has almost no amd64 support
[08:53] <Seveas> dsl1000, emacs21
[08:54] <Seveas> that's the package
[08:54] <CoffeeBreaks> argggg
[08:54] <dsl1000> seveas: thanks :)
[08:54] <drcode> hi a;;
[08:54] <mario__> hi all
[08:55] <drcode> is there like vmware that support 3d acclarator ?
[08:55] <drcode> I Want to install vmware in windows and use vmware with linux (+ 3d accalrator)?
[08:55] <^thehatsrule^> yes vmware can
[08:55] <mario__> I found a bug with gnome-terminal and top (segment fault). Where can I register this?
[08:55] <drcode> vmware can do it for windows only
[08:55] <drcode> not linux
[08:55] <drcode> I read in there site
[08:56] <holycow> drcode, there is no 3dacceleration via vmware
[08:56] <drcode> if the gust is windows
[08:56] <HappyFool> mario__: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[08:56] <holycow> at all
[08:56] <holycow> for any os
[08:56] <Seveas> mario__, please make sure you have enough info about it (saying that it segfaults is NOT enough)
[08:56] <drcode> is there some other soft that there is ?
[08:56] <patrickj> well...azureus is downloading my err...Linux slow
[08:56] <holycow> no virtualization environment that works like vmware no
[08:56] <^thehatsrule^> drcode / holycow: yes there is but you have to compile the driver yourself
[08:57] <holycow> no there isn't
[08:57] <frank> holycow: there can be some dx7 acceleration if you enable it. Maybe only for windows host, though
[08:57] <patrickj> Do you think unreal yournament would work well on my system?
[08:57] <^thehatsrule^> only RH has it in vmwaretools
[08:57] <holycow> host os doesn't have direct access to the hardware
[08:57] <mario__> mmmhhh
[08:57] <drcode> k
[08:57] <CoffeeBreaks> ok I got libdvdcss2 using /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh
[08:57] <^thehatsrule^> holycow: well i had it on mine... so
[08:57] <drcode> and what I Can do in ubuntu?
[08:57] <patrickj> Celeron D 2.4 533FSB, 768M Ram, ATi Radeon 9200 SE
[08:57] <holycow> ogl acceleration?
[08:57] <^thehatsrule^> yes
[08:57] <^thehatsrule^> maybe its software
[08:57] <Despeeh> easilly
[08:57] <mario__> a debuger could be??
[08:57] <holycow> i find this hard to believe
[08:58] <^thehatsrule^> did you compile your own driver?
[08:58] <drcode> is there software like vmware/virtual pc with 3d acclartor support?
[08:58] <drcode> under windows?
[08:58] <HappyFool> mario__: gdb, or ddd
[08:58] <holycow> ^thehatsrule^, the vmware drivers make no difference if you compile them your self or use the ones included in ubuntu
[08:58] <holycow> they are effectively the same
[08:58] <patrickj> I have an Asus Video Card, with a Radeon 9200 VPU, should I use the ATi graphic drivers?
[08:58] <holycow> the problem is that the client os has no direct access to the hardware
[08:59] <dekket> ubuntu didn't install the wlan adapter during install, are there tools in ubuntu to determine what is and what is not installed?
[08:59] <^thehatsrule^> no theyre different cause its vmware's own
[08:59] <drcode> in there vmware site thay say it work on;y in windows guest
[08:59] <holycow> whats happening is the vmware drivers are talking to the windows drivers ...
[08:59] <holycow> what drivers are you talking about then?
[08:59] <patrickj> and if so where can I obtain the drivers?
[08:59] <mario__> ok, I try gdb
[09:00] <mario__> I'll try sorry ; )
[09:01] <dawnfading> hi all
[09:01] <Seveas> hi dawnfading
[09:01] <steve-o> who can help with valknut install ?
[09:01] <dawnfading> i got a small question qbout soun din (k)ubuntu
[09:01] <patrickj> yay I figured out how to mass convert my music to ogg :D
[09:01] <holycow> http://www.vmware.com/support/ws5/doc/ws_vidsound_d3d_limitations.html <-- oh i see
[09:01] <steve-o> im in dead-end :-(
[09:01] <holycow> maybe thats new then
[09:01] <dawnfading> xmms qnd music plqyer don't give sound
[09:02] <Seveas> dawnfading, just ask :)
[09:02] <Seveas> ah damn, too late :)
[09:02] <dawnfading> how should i go qbout troubleshooting this?
[09:02] <holycow> at least partial support i guess is better than none
[09:02] <holycow> cool
[09:02] <Seveas> dawnfading: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound
[09:02] <drcode> yes
[09:03] <drcode> thay say vmware support on;y 3d if gust is windows
[09:03] <dawnfading> is that the plugin xmms?
[09:03] <dawnfading> the funny thing is, sometimes i get mp3s to play fine, but streams are a lost cause
[09:04] <drcode> so I can't use 3d acclartor with vmware
[09:04] <Seveas> dawnfading, that is weird....
[09:04] <frank> drcode: can it do linux host, windows guest, dx7->opengl conversion?
[09:04] <dawnfading> for instance in music player i get the error 'could not ope the resource for writing
[09:04] <Sputn1k> when i compiling gimp 2.3.0, i get error: configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[09:04] <Sputn1k> See `config.log' for more details.
[09:05] <Seveas> Sputn1k, sudo aptitude install build-essential
[09:05] <james_> Does anyone have some good sources for configuring dual head monitors. ?
[09:05] <drcode> nop
[09:06] <Sputn1k> Seveas: thx
[09:06] <dekket> james_: a matrox card?
[09:07] <james_> Sorry, nvidia 5700 dual head and work wise Nvidia Quadro Pro
[09:07] <dekket> can't remember where, but there are hacks for dualhead cards
[09:07] <dekket> oh ok
[09:07] <dawnfading> does the music player also use ALSA?
[09:09] <moparfan90> whats a good text editor that has programming stuff
[09:09] <Sputn1k> how to fix it: XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is require d for intltool
[09:10] <wdh> moparfan90, gedit?
[09:10] <highvoltage> moparfan90: jed, vim, emacs...
[09:11] <catolh> is there any way to remove the Mesa Opengl stuff?.. It seems the ATI driver installer cant replace it
[09:11] <puff> How do I get terminal to ignore alt-commands?
[09:11] <hybrid_goth> puff: good with scripting?
[09:11] <comforteagle> what mail server should I install.. I want to be able to send mail from this machine as a website.
[09:12] <puff> hybrid_goth: Depends on the scripting language.
[09:12] <hybrid_goth> comforteagle: you want to do webmail?
[09:12] <hybrid_goth> puff: bash scripting
[09:12] <comforteagle> hybrid_goth, no, just send mail from a webapp.
[09:12] <hybrid_goth> that would be the best way
[09:12] <puff> hybrid_goth: I can usually muddle through, though I wouldn't claim "good'
[09:12] <ompaul> puff, edit - keyboard scripting - tick the boxes :)
[09:12] <steve-o> Im trying to install valknut (valknut_0.3.7-1_i386.deb) and as I watched manual , it needs libdc0_0.3.7-2_i386 .... when im typing "dpkg -i libdc..." it says trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libdc.so.0.0.1', ... what should I do ? please help ;\
[09:12] <hybrid_goth> comforteagle: err postfix?
[09:12] <comforteagle> hybrid_goth, like user email confirmation for a webapp
[09:12] <puff> keyboard shortcuts?
[09:13] <steve-o> *** Im doing it all under root terminal
[09:13] <ompaul> puff, them in a terminal
[09:13] <hybrid_goth> comforteagle: like squirell mail
[09:13] <comforteagle> hybrid_goth, no like drupal
[09:13] <puff> comforteagle: I'm no MTA expert, but... all the MTA experts I go to for help tell me to run postfix .
[09:13] <hacked``> guys, how do i know which driver my wifi card is using
[09:13] <comforteagle> puff: ok cool
[09:14] <ompaul> there is no MTA like a postfix MTA - unless you are running hundreds of thousands of addresses most sysadmins I know use posftix
[09:14] <djp> !dma
[09:15] <puff> ompaul: Hm, it doesn't let me selectively disable the ones that are bothering me (alt-b, alt-v) but ican just disable them all, so that's cool. Thanks.
[09:15] <Bac9> can someone help me get hylafax to autoanswer fax calls?
[09:15] <ompaul> puff, enjoy
[09:15] <maney> I think I ran into this before - the online docs talk about opening applications:/// in nautilus in order to edit the menu, but that's some sort of version-ago leftover, isn't it? any clues about what, if anything, works for that in Hoary?
[09:16] <Seveas> maney, for hoary you can use smeg
[09:16] <test34> I have DSL modem, and when I access a web page sometimes it shows the modem configuration page instead of the web page I asked for.. If I try to reload it, it works fine.. but then it can do it again 2 minutes later.. (I use firefox..)
[09:16] <maney> smeg?
[09:16] <Amaranth> !smeg
[09:16] <ubotu> I heard smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[09:16] <Seveas> http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg
[09:16] <steve-o> !valknut
[09:16] <ubotu> steve-o: No idea
[09:16] <maney> oh, so this is something that deosn't actually exist in Hoary?
[09:16] <Seveas> ubotu valknut is a Direct Connect client, in Ubuntu the package containing Valknut is dcgui-qt
[09:16] <ubotu> okay, Seveas
[09:17] <patrickj> so...when did Hoary come out?
[09:17] <ompaul> patrickj, april something
[09:17] <basti> I find this very strange, I can play mp3s in that buttugly rhytmbox but when I start them in xmms or beep mediaplayer that program just freezes ..?
[09:17] <dabaR> hi.
[09:17] <patrickj> crap....still got like 2-3 months till breezy :/
[09:17] <elsha> dabar returns!
[09:18] <maney> what a crock
[09:18] <ompaul> patrickj, well that is the way of the world, what is the problem for you that you want breezy now?
[09:18] <patrickj> so breezy should be outseptember something
[09:18] <Seveas> patrickj: A new Ubuntu version is released every six months (in april and october). Each release is supported for at least 18 months with security updates.
[09:18] <patrickj> ompaul: nothing really
[09:18] <dabaR> the dabar always comes back.
[09:18] <dabaR> like a boomerang
[09:18] <test34> could that problem be caused by firefox being upgraded without first uninstalling the old version ?
[09:19] <patrickj> im converting 145 songs to OGG:/
[09:19] <patrickj> this will take a while
[09:19] <basti> test34, what problem?
[09:19] <Seveas> basti: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound
[09:19] <patrickj> actually i should Just leave em to be MP#
[09:19] <patrickj> MP3
[09:19] <test34> basti: I have DSL modem, and when I access a web page sometimes it shows the modem configuration page instead of the web page I asked for.. If I try to reload it, it works fine.. but then it can do it again 2 minutes later.. (I use firefox..)
[09:20] <Seveas> basti, did you use a backported version of firefox before?
[09:20] <steve-o> !backports
[09:20] <ubotu> I guess backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[09:20] <ompaul> patrickj, well it will be oct - if you take it that warty was 0ct 2004 and six months later we have hoary so guess it is six months after that
[09:20] <basti> Seveas, yeah why?
[09:20] <patrickj> ompaul: I guess so :|
[09:20] <desrt> steve-o; so..... what's the difference between official backports and the normal backports?
[09:21] <Seveas> basti, name mixup, I meant test34
[09:21] <basti> k :)
[09:21] <Seveas> desrt, 'normal' backports are now official
[09:21] <patrickj> is kubuntu any good?
[09:21] <desrt> oh
[09:21] <desrt> exactly the same stuff, just in an official repo?
[09:21] <Seveas> patrickj, if you like KDE it's ok
[09:21] <dabaR> test34: what page? for the router?
[09:21] <patrickj> Seveas: kdes a bloated hunk of eye candy
[09:21] <desrt> Seveas; any plans for hoary-extras?
[09:22] <patrickj> hey, is it possible to use Kdevelop in gnome?
[09:22] <desrt> patrickj; yes
[09:22] <Seveas> patrickj, sure
[09:22] <Seveas> what's kile?
[09:22] <patrickj> is kdevelop in the repos?
[09:22] <Seveas> yup
[09:22] <ompaul> Seveas, latex in a gui
[09:22] <Seveas> ompaul, ah
[09:22] <Turrican> is any one from germany here ?
[09:22] <Seveas> I need nothing more than vim for that :)
[09:22] <Seveas> and for a gui: gvim ;)
[09:23] <CoffeeBreaks> and for the curious I am building my missing amd64 packages from source
[09:23] <Seveas> Turrican, in #ubuntu-de there are a lot of germans :)
[09:23] <dabaR> gvim??:)
[09:23] <Seveas> vim with a gui
[09:23] <Seveas> it exists :)
[09:23] <Seveas> package vim-gnome
[09:23] <HappyFool> yeah, vi heard of X at last :P
[09:23] <ompaul> and a bicycle repair man
[09:23] <Seveas> :)
[09:24] <dabaR> installed...:)
[09:24] <Belutz> HappyFool, Seveas: how could i be an ubuntu guru like you? :D
[09:25] <jeffbrown> what kernel version is currently bundled with the latest ubuntu?
[09:25] <desrt> 2.6.12-4
[09:25] <HappyFool> 2.6.10
[09:25] <desrt> with all sorts of goodies from 2.6.13
[09:25] <Seveas> Belutz, use linux a lot, experiment with it, break it a lot and repair it. And stay in here to read questions and answers. And read lots of documentation :)
[09:25] <frank> 2.6.10
[09:26] <ompaul> jeffbrown, when you say latest, is that latest release or latest development?
[09:26] <Seveas> jeffbrown, the latest stable ubuntu uses 2.6.10, the development version 2.6.12
[09:26] <Seveas> :)
[09:26] <Belutz> Seveas: i don't have a heart to break my ubuntu... not like my windows huehuehue i break it a lot :p
[09:26] <rgould> I am thinking of buying a laptop and using Ubuntu as the primary OS. Does anyone have any recommendations for brands/models?
[09:26] <Belutz> Seveas: maybe if i have a spare PC :D
[09:27] <Seveas> rgould, hp's are good IBM thinkpads too
[09:27] <Belutz> rgould: IBM Thinkpad is a good choice i think :)
[09:27] <hybrid_goth> rgould: iBook G3
[09:27] <rgould> can't go iBook :(
[09:27] <Belutz> rgould: i'm using NEC, and have problems with it
[09:27] <Seveas> oh yeah, Ubuntu loves ibooks :)
[09:28] <hybrid_goth> Seveas: yes all *debians do ;)
[09:28] <coreyo> how do I get grub to install itself back into one of my partitions? Can the ubuntu install cd be used as a rescue cd for this?
[09:28] <rgould> actually, I might be able to go ibook - but that is something else i need to look into
[09:28] <Belutz> rgould: sorry, i mean i have no problems with it
[09:28] <rgould> Belutz, oh, ok :) thanks for the clarification
[09:28] <linukso> Does suspend or hibernate work on iBooks?
[09:28] <frank> !recover
[09:28] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, recover is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[09:28] <Seveas> coreyo, it can, use 'rescue' as boot option
[09:28] <rgould> We have a couple sony vaios kicking around the office, but it sounds like that is a bad idea to go. I might try the live cd on them though.
[09:28] <hybrid_goth> rgould: the only problem is the software base inst as big as x86
[09:28] <Seveas> and read the url ubotu just spit out :)
[09:28] <rgould> right
[09:28] <Belutz> rgould: i also tried on Toshiba A10 and Compaq Presario and Ubuntu runs well
[09:28] <ompaul> hmm
[09:28] <hybrid_goth> linukso: with work it does but not ootb
[09:29] <coreyo> Seveas: I tried that, but it keeps telling me that it cannot mount /dev/sda6 as the root partition and panics
[09:29] <ompaul> scare in a nice way
[09:29] <rgould> awesome, thanks everyone
[09:29] <Seveas> coreyo, hmm, you might need to use a live cd then
[09:29] <coreyo> Seveas: if I use the live cd, am I supposed to mount everything and chroot into it?
[09:30] <linukso> hybrid_goth: ok. I am dreaming of a linux-laptop where everything works out the box...
[09:30] <Seveas> yup
[09:30] <Seveas> the process is described on that wikipage ubotu gave
[09:30] <dim> can anybody help me making my soundcard work?
[09:30] <patrickj> hey I installed GVim too :D
[09:30] <Seveas> dim, depends on what the problem is
[09:30] <dim> I don't know what the problem is
[09:31] <Seveas> hehe :)
[09:31] <dim> I just don't have any sound
[09:31] <ompaul> dim maybe you have to tell people what kind of sound card you have and if there is any onboard sound
[09:31] <Seveas> no system sounds too?
[09:31] <trevi> whistle
[09:31] <coreyo> Seveas: what are grub commands for having grub install itself onto a given partition?
[09:31] <Seveas> dim, perform this command in a terminal and paste the output in a private chat: ls -al /dev | grep dsp
[09:31] <dim> sound card is : VIA 82xx
[09:31] <test34> dabaR, yes the router page for configuration....
[09:31] <Seveas> coreyo read that wikipage
[09:32] <Seveas> it's grub-install '(hdx,y)' in grub syntax
[09:32] <test34> Seveas what you mean a backported version of firefox ?
[09:32] <Seveas> but you need some things like proc and dev in your chroot :)
[09:32] <coreyo> Seveas: I'm looking for it now, what's it titled?
[09:32] <Seveas> test34, dpkg -l '*firefox*' paste the output on a pastebin
[09:33] <Seveas> coreyo, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoverinUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[09:33] <tha_gamemaster> i reinstalled going to hoary from warty and now neither vlc or mplayer plays dvds, and have the extra repositories installed
[09:33] <dim> seveas: how do i make a private chat?
[09:33] <tha_gamemaster> ooops warty to hoary*
[09:33] <test34> Seveas I will have to come back later.. I don't have the computer with me, thanks for your help
[09:33] <tha_gamemaster> oh wait that's what i said... it' early
[09:34] <apollo2011> Hi everyone!
[09:34] <tha_gamemaster> hi apollo2011
[09:34] <Belutz> wb nalioth :)
[09:34] <patrickj> dabaR: Im going back to openbox ;)
[09:35] <patrickj> ! openbox
[09:35] <ubotu> patrickj: I don't know, could you explain it?
[09:35] <patrickj> ! openbox howto
[09:35] <ubotu> Wish i knew, patrickj
[09:35] <patrickj> ugh wheres the howto for openbox guys?
[09:35] <coreyo> Seveas: thanks. Sorry... I'm a lilo guy until recently
[09:35] <patrickj> ! howto openbox
[09:35] <ubotu> patrickj: Wish i knew
[09:35] <jasoncohen> tha_gamemaster, sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2
[09:35] <dabaR> ha. ya, me too:) there was this one guy last night, he had a very customied openbox menu, like three levels
[09:35] <tha_gamemaster> jasoncohen, thanks!
[09:35] <dabaR> patrickj /msg ubotu question
[09:36] <jasoncohen> tha_gamemaster, adding extra repositories isn't enough. you need to install libdvdcss2 to decrypt commercial DVDs...though i don't understand why the package would be removed
[09:36] <Myrtti> Seveas: I got it working
[09:36] <Myrtti> thanks
[09:36] <tha_gamemaster> jasoncohen, for somereason i thought it installed it by default.
[09:36] <ompaul> patrickj, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34239
[09:36] <tha_gamemaster> jasoncohen, as a dependency
[09:36] <basti> if I want to remove everything written in a terminal is there any command better than clear?
[09:36] <patrickj> lol thanks
[09:36] <Seveas> basti, no :)
[09:36] <ryan> what's a good cpu tester for debian?
[09:36] <jasoncohen> tha_gamemaster, no- it's not a dependency. it's in hoary-extras because it's not legal in the US
[09:36] <basti> ok ;P
[09:37] <ryan> i.e., burn in test, no so much benchmark
[09:37] <tha_gamemaster> jasoncohen, Package libdvdcss2 has no installation candidate
[09:37] <jasoncohen> tha_gamemaster, you need to add hoary-extras
[09:37] <jasoncohen> !multimedia repositories
[09:37] <ubotu> methinks multimedia repositories is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingMultimediaRepositories
[09:37] <dabaR> nice, ompaul .
[09:37] <ompaul> dabaR, what is?
[09:37] <nalioth> ryan: get "The Ultimate Boot CD" it has all kinds of burn-in stuff
[09:37] <dabaR> the forum page
[09:37] <jasoncohen> tha_gamemaster, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingMultimediaRepositories
[09:38] <ompaul> dabaR, ahh okay
[09:38] <dabaR> okay...
[09:38] <ryan> anything that doesn't require a boot disk?
[09:38] <dabaR> ;)
[09:38] <equex> is it normal for linux to appear to use a VM the size of the physical ram ? :p
[09:38] <apollo2011> I installed Ubuntu on my laptop, and I am having some minor problems. I think I have gotten all the hardware working, however, when I try to boot it without it being in the base station, it takes forever to boot because it tries to initialize hardware components that are not connected to it. In particular, it takes unusually long while it is loading the "modules" (thats what it says, shortly after mounting the root partition and the kernel) and wh
[09:38] <apollo2011> en it is configuring the network connection (I dont have one then)
[09:38] <nalioth> ryan: not that i know of
[09:38] <dabaR> ryan: like a network install?
[09:38] <dabaR> oh, sorry
[09:38] <ryan> heh
[09:38] <dabaR> nothing
[09:38] <apollo2011> can I do somethint to speed it up when it is booting and this hardware doesn't exist?
[09:38] <ryan> np
[09:38] <levander> How do I boot into single user mode?
[09:39] <ryan> I know there's a couple for windows, basically just running a whole wack of fp calcs and checking for errors once in a while
[09:39] <tha_gamemaster> jasoncohen, thanks
[09:39] <Seveas> apollo2011, you can hit <ctrl>C to abort network connection
[09:39] <jasoncohen> !multimedia
[09:39] <ubotu> methinks multimedia is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[09:39] <ompaul> apollo2011, the issue here is one of trying to get dhcp together I had a solution for it - it had to do with finding the timeout on the dhcp side and then lowering it
[09:39] <Seveas> levander, choose recovery mode in the boot menu
[09:39] <jasoncohen> tha_gamemaster, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia for more information
[09:40] <ompaul> apollo2011, or as Seveas said that works very well :)
[09:40] <levander> Seveas: okay, since my system is runninga already, is it just "init 1" to go down into single user mode?
[09:40] <Seveas> levander, you can do that :)
[09:40] <levander> okay, gonna try it
[09:40] <dabaR> that eclipse is so frustrating, it is nice in its features, but is totally ridiculous in its memory usage/speed - Java...
[09:40] <ompaul> apollo2011, when you want to connect to a network afterward you run this in a terminal 'sudo dhclient' and you will get a network
[09:41] <Seveas> ompaul, bad idea
[09:41] <ompaul> apollo2011, providing there is a network to connect to
[09:41] <Seveas> sudo ifup eth0
[09:41] <Seveas> removing auto eth0 from the interfaces file would even be better
[09:41] <apollo2011> Seveas, ompaul: ok, can I do anything to lower the amount of times it tries to load stuff? because it takes a long time loading the modules as well, also, I would still like it to configure the Wi-Fi connection and Ctrl+C would kill both eth0 and wlan0 configuration, but I could always config it after bootup
[09:41] <tha_gamemaster> jasoncohen, i did all that, but i was missing the backports mirror, because when i installed it, it failed the first time
[09:42] <yoz-> rc.freendeo.ent
[09:42] <ompaul> apollo2011, as Seveas said last that is best
[09:42] <yoz-> rc.freenode.ent
[09:43] <tintin> Goo evening
[09:43] <jasoncohen> apollo2011, you can fix the network problem by removing auto eth0 and map eth0 from /etc/network/interfaces. then sudo apt-get install ifplugd and set it to check on eth0
[09:44] <codecaine> Anyone in here know how to use vpnc? i set it up and its connected to pix host but i can't ping anywhere, it says "ping sendmsg: operation not permitted"???
[09:44] <jasoncohen> apollo2011, that way the boot process won't stop if your ethernet isn't connected but if it is ifplugd will detect it and connect
[09:45] <yoz_> .org
[09:45] <hybrid_goth> heh yoz_ made me think of something
[09:45] <Belutz> Seveas: do you know any good samba tutorial for newbie? :D
[09:45] <hybrid_goth> mono should change their name to .org
[09:45] <apollo2011> jasoncohen: that sounds like the best idea. When it is in the base station, I would still like it to be autoconfigged, but just not when it is outside the base
[09:45] <hybrid_goth> Belutz: the man pages is well documented
[09:46] <puff> Hm, does ubuntu's default install have an mp3 player?
[09:46] <Belutz> hybrid_goth: can mono develop windows apps?
[09:46] <Seveas> Belutz, install swat, enable it with update-inetd, enable the root account and you have a web interface :)
[09:46] <Belutz> hybrid_goth: man samba ?
[09:46] <hybrid_goth> Belutz: it is FOSS .Net
[09:46] <hybrid_goth> puff: no
[09:46] <The_Vox> Seveas: don't be mean with Belutz
[09:46] <hybrid_goth> Belutz: YES
[09:46] <fp> any app that uses the gtk file chooser crashes on file->open with 'gtk_file_system_path_is_local: assertion `path != NULL' anyone have any idea?
[09:46] <puff> Any recommendations for a linux mp3 player?
[09:47] <hybrid_goth> !restricted
[09:47] <ubotu> restricted is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:47] <Belutz> hybrid_goth: what is FOSS?
[09:47] <hybrid_goth> puff: i like mplayer
[09:47] <The_Vox> Belutz: go to /usr/share/doc/samba<whateverversion>/ and you should find a book about samba in there...it makes it very easy to learn samba
[09:47] <puff> Also, any recommendations for desktop look & feel refinements that will make my coworkers drool?
[09:47] <puff> :-)
[09:47] <ompaul> Belutz, free open source softwarea
[09:47] <hybrid_goth> Belutz: free open source software
[09:47] <The_Vox> puff: I like amarok
[09:47] <hybrid_goth> puff: vlc seems to be common i here
[09:48] <puff> Does ubuntu have a nice pointy-clicky UI for apt or should I just use apt-get from a terminal? (or does ubuntu use something else?)
[09:48] <puff> vlc is mp3 player orlook & feel?
[09:48] <Seveas> puff, system -> administration -> synaptic
[09:48] <Seveas> and you can use apt-get and aptitude too :)
[09:49] <bionic> anyone using gimp in here?
[09:49] <dabaR> vlc is a media playuer
[09:49] <PC_Pixel> Does Ubuntu support cups-lpr?
[09:49] <puff> Well, i'm looking at this as an opportunity to explore new ground... one of the few times I don't have to worry about other people depending on the box.
[09:49] <catolh> how can i remove something and not remove its dependencies? like the MesaGL library?
[09:49] <puff> mplayer, amarok, vlc, hmm.
[09:49] <Belutz> ok thx :)
[09:49] <dabaR> puff for skinning"(icons, whatever) art.gnome.org, and gnome-look.org art.gnome.org has faqs, youll need them
[09:49] <The_Vox> puff: btw, amarok is kde-based.
[09:49] <Belutz> Seveas: i got error when trying to install swat it says swat: Depends: samba (=3.0.10-1ubuntu3) but 3.0.14a-3ubuntu3~5.04ubp1 is to be installed
[09:50] <apollo2011> In my /etc/network/interfaces it has a list of automatically configged interfaces...one line has "map eth0". Do I delete "eth0" or "map eth0"?
[09:50] <ompaul> bionic, ask what you need if it is too complex I found the peeps on #gimp very very helpful had to wait a few mins as they were busy
[09:50] <catolh> Anyone?
[09:50] <dabaR> catolh: well, yo uspecify removing a package, it does not remove its dependencies, I dont think
[09:50] <hybrid_goth> catolh: whats up
[09:50] <hybrid_goth> ?
[09:50] <catolh> dabaR, it wants to remove everything depending on that package.. :p
[09:50] <dabaR> catolh: also, please allow for your question to at least scroll off the screen before saying anyone, or askingh again
[09:50] <catolh> sorry ..
[09:51] <dabaR> oh, like, you mean, things that depend on it....
[09:51] <dim> seveas: I posted the output of amixer on http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[09:51] <HappyFool> Belutz: do you have breezy repositories enabled?
[09:51] <bionic> ompaul, well im editing a picture, and suddenly the layer, paths, channels, brushes window dissapeared, cant find it again, looked in view, layers etc, cant find what option to open the window again? :)
[09:51] <dabaR> well, how would that work, if it depoends on it,, it cant work after it is removed
[09:51] <dabaR> catolh: but, I am not the person to answer that.
[09:51] <catolh> dabaR, yeah.. like in fedora you can do "rpm -e --nodeps xorg-x11-MesaGL" to remove the MesaGL library..
[09:52] <Belutz> HappyFool: i think so... let me check
[09:52] <dabaR> catolh: maybe man apt-get then.
[09:52] <HappyFool> Belutz: you probably do. 3.0.10 is the hoary version, 3.0.14a the breezy version
[09:52] <dabaR> weird that something would work if its dependencies are not installed
[09:52] <Belutz> HappyFool: no, but i was enable it
[09:53] <hybrid_goth> dabaR: that isnt wierd it is bizzar
[09:53] <HappyFool> Belutz: i wouldn't enable breezy if i were you
[09:53] <HappyFool> Belutz: anyway, somehow you've ended up with breezy's samba
[09:53] <Belutz> HappyFool: so, do i have to uninstall the 3.0.14a and install the 3.0.10
[09:53] <ompaul> bionic, no idea, I used gimp maybe 6 times for any real jobs in the last couple of years :)
[09:54] <dabaR> hybrid_goth: ya, but we both together dont know enough about it....
[09:54] <HappyFool> Belutz: i would. aptitude install samba=3.0.10-1ubuntu3 ought to do the trick
[09:54] <Belutz> HappyFool: ok :)
[09:56] <ismael> /usr/bin/ld: no se puede encontrar -lperl?
[09:56] <ismael> /usr/bin/ld: no se puede encontrar -lperl?
[09:58] <Burgundavia> somone needs sudo --> http://www.pcmag.com/slideshow_viewer/0,1205,l=&s=26945&a=156757&po=1,00.asp
[09:58] <jasoncohen> what's the best way to resize a ext3 root partition? i tried resizing it in the live cd but it said the device was being used (swap was on the same HD). should i remove the journal, resize with resize2fs and then re-create the journal?
[09:58] <HappyFool> ismael: try maybe #ubuntu-es for spanish (espanola?) or #ubuntu-pt for portuguese; otherwise, try maybe 'sudo aptitude install libperl-dev'
[09:58] <ankur> hi, when I write the following command using visudo, I should not be able to change the root's passwd, but I can, could someone explain: user ALL = /usr/bin/passwd [A-z] *, !/usr/bin/passwd root
[09:58] <tha_gamemaster> HappyFool, yea /usr/bin/ld can't find lperl he says
[09:59] <klosborne> installed a cups printer on another machine on the LAN and the status is "Paused"
[09:59] <resiak> ankur: Why would you want to do that, out of interest?
[10:00] <klosborne> I'd like to press the start button on cups but of course I can't since you cant issue administrative commands
[10:00] <ankur> resiak, yes, you can assume that, actually I was reading a tutorial and came up with this problem
[10:00] <klosborne> how should i attack this problem
[10:01] <klosborne> i don't know what to enter for username and password
[10:01] <ompaul> klosborne, does system - administration - printing not help you at all?
[10:02] <aeolist> klosborne, that's a grave situation indeed
[10:02] <resiak> ankur: I don't know, I'm just wondering why you'd want to :)
[10:02] <ankur> resiak, okay..well I was trying to make a user who could change all users' passwd except root
[10:02] <scena> Does Ubuntu support cups-lpr/cups-lpd?
[10:02] <thespiritoftal> is there a way to run swf files in ubuntu? with some kind of codec maybe?
[10:02] <puff> The_Vox: amarok is kde-based, what's the default ubuntu windowmanager?
[10:03] <tha_gamemaster> thespiritoftal, flashplayer in your webbrowser
[10:03] <Xyc0> thespiritoftal: flashplayer
[10:03] <fire> uhhh I think I accidently deleted all my partitions
[10:04] <fire> what can I do to recover
[10:04] <fire> its a simple fdisk delete
[10:04] <hybrid_goth> fire: haha
[10:04] <hybrid_goth> good luck
[10:04] <Belutz> wb tritium
[10:04] <hybrid_goth> if you actually deleted i dont think there is much you can do
[10:04] <hybrid_goth> sorry man
[10:04] <tritium> hi Belutz
[10:04] <resiak> ankur: I'm trying to figure out why.
[10:04] <fire> well I think I can guess the partition
[10:04] <fire> fdisk stuff
[10:05] <chorton> Can anyone tell me how to set the xterm window to a specific height and width on open?
[10:05] <fire> its exactly the same as my install on my computer
[10:05] <Belutz> :)
[10:05] <tha_gamemaster> fire, that happend on my friends laptop last night, she somehow managage to screw up her partition table
[10:05] <fire> I think I'll just need to copy the partition table on this hd and move it on the other
[10:05] <ankur> well, just like that...say u have a administrator looking after the passwords of all users...freeing root of all that activites
[10:05] <hybrid_goth> fire: if you deleted it it isnt there
[10:06] <fire> hybrid_goth uhhh
[10:06] <Ja1> does anybody have a clue why the command
[10:06] <Ja1> apt-get --reinstall install xkeyboard-config
[10:06] <Ja1> does not replace missing files in /etc/X11/xkb provided by this package ?
[10:06] <fire> if I deleted, it mean it has a message that says free space here :P
[10:06] <fire> if I change the message back, it'll be fine
[10:06] <vossi> hello, i am looking for a noob-guide of ubuntu, anyone knows one?
[10:06] <hybrid_goth> vossi: n00b guide?
[10:06] <vossi> yes
[10:07] <hybrid_goth> vossi: for installation? configuration?
[10:07] <fire> has anyone here used parted?
[10:07] <Xyc0> vossi: wiki.ubuntu.com
[10:07] <Belutz> hmmm how do i make the icons in desktop automatically arrange?
[10:07] <vossi> it's installed, but there are many questions..
[10:07] <hybrid_goth> vossi: you need to be more specific
[10:07] <tha_gamemaster> is there a way to get xmms to use utf-8 encodings?
[10:07] <tritium> chorton, with the -geometry option
[10:07] <MartenH> ok, what else do I need to do? I have it installed, can launch programs from shortkeys, upgraded everything I can... what else is there to do?? :)
[10:08] <linukso> tha_gamemaster: yes remove it and install a modern mediaplayer...
[10:08] <vossi> i have problems with *.mp3, with avi, currently i am trying to use winex...
[10:08] <Xyc0> vossi: that is alot of problems at once
[10:08] <hybrid_goth> vossi
[10:08] <hybrid_goth> !restricted
[10:08] <ubotu> [restricted] http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:09] <chibifs> FELL ASLEEP ON MY ARRRRM
[10:09] <chibifs> :O
[10:09] <tha_gamemaster> linukso, not quite the answer i was looking for but thanks anyways
[10:09] <linukso> tha_gamemaster: to be serious, no I dont think so...
[10:09] <apollo2011> is there a way in Gnome to put the system in standby or suspend to safely un-dock the laptop from a base station? Last time I tried doing it worked with the machine wide awake but then one time I corrupted the fs and had to reinstall.
[10:09] <tha_gamemaster> linukso, ah ok, thank you. ^_^
[10:09] <linukso> tha_gamemaster: but maybe beep-media-player can. It uses gtk (gtk likes unicode :) ), and looks a lot like xmms (theme comp)
[10:09] <WeirdAl> Hey, where's the network config?
[10:10] <Xyc0> apollo2011: did you check to see if your hardware supports standby?
[10:10] <tha_gamemaster> linukso, i'll look around for more stuff, i just want something simpel and functional
[10:10] <MartenH> aaa, videos! What do I need to play divX? Player/codecs, and is there something similar to MediaPlayer Classic" (No, no the MS hog) for ubuntu?
[10:10] <Belutz> Seveas: how do i disable time synchronize to ntp.ubuntulinux.org at startup ?
[10:10] <vossi> ubotu thanks, as it seems there i find some answers. thx
[10:10] <ubotu> vossi: no worries
[10:10] <tritium> Belutz, with update-rc.d
[10:11] <ompaul> !botsnack
[10:11] <ubotu> :)
[10:11] <chorton> Thanks for the xterm assistanec.
[10:11] <Ja1> Belutz: sudo chmod a-x /etc/init.d/ntpdate
[10:11] <tritium> Belutz, similar to this, but ntpdate instead of gdm: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-no-x-start
[10:11] <tritium> ^^^ is the preferred Debian/ubuntu way
[10:12] <Xyc0> bah ha ha ha ha
[10:12] <apollo2011> Xyc0: no...I assume being able to go into standby in Windows has nothing to do with this? Would it be in the Log Out menu if it was supported?
[10:12] <Belutz> thx :D
[10:12] <IRCNetchess> I'm trying to decide whether to pre-rder the "Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 Bible" I'm new to Linux. Will it help me with Ubuntu?
[10:12] <Xyc0> apollo2011: If you Log Out, it should give you some options, one of those being Suspend if your hardware supports it.
[10:13] <scena> Would you say Ubuntu has enough power to function in server roles, or is it more of a desktop linux distro
[10:13] <ompaul> IRCNetchess, to some extent yes, it is much more focused on Debian, this is not a bad thing it is just the way the book is
[10:13] <Xyc0> apollo2011: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryLaptop?highlight=%28CategoryLaptop%29
[10:13] <fire> Since GParted can be a weapon of mass destruction only root may run it. lol....
[10:13] <apollo2011> Xyc0: ok, so i guess mine doesn't support it then...
[10:13] <Xyc0> apollo2011: What kind of laptop?
[10:13] <Belutz> tritium: how do i know everything that's started at startup? in /etc/rc.d ?
[10:13] <ompaul> scena, yes, but test before production as you would with anything else
[10:13] <apollo2011> Xyc0: Dell Inspiron 8600
[10:13] <ep> If want to make change some settings to speed up my mouse. I should edit my XF86Config?
[10:13] <Jeezis> anyone in here that could tell me how to convert a .c file to a .so file?
[10:14] <scena> ompaul: excellent
[10:14] <scena> is anyone here familiar with the CUPS printing system?
[10:14] <ompaul> !cups
[10:14] <ubotu> No idea, ompaul
[10:14] <IRCNetchess> Thank you IRCompaul. I thought Ubuntu sort of was Debian.
[10:14] <alex91> buenas tardes
[10:15] <Mibsky> hi
[10:15] <apollo2011> Xyc0: I guess that Dell Supsend Fix article should help me...lol
[10:15] <tritium> Belutz, /etc/rc2.d
[10:15] <scena> I'm currently using MAndrake 10.1 for linux print servers. I'm contemplating switching them to Ubuntu
[10:15] <alex91> estimados amigos conocen alguna distribucion linux para colegios
[10:15] <scena> the issue I'm having is when I set a print driver to RAW mode in Mandrake, it spits out PostScript
[10:15] <ketilkn> apollo2011: Have you checked out this site: http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/dell.html
[10:15] <Mibsky> I cant get libdvdcss for ub 64, all the repositories I tried failed... help !
[10:15] <ketilkn> There is an Ubuntu article there
[10:15] <Xyc0> apollo2011: Read a bit more into it tho, I tried the same thing on my Dell 5150 and it cause my memory to bug out every 10 minutes
[10:15] <pippijn> mysqladmin: connect to server at 'xinutec' failed
[10:15] <pippijn> error: 'Lost connection to MySQL server during query'
[10:15] <ompaul> scena, I would have a good read of the wiki/forums before attempting that move there are some gotchas about cups
[10:15] <scena> would i expect to see the same thing if i went with Ubuntu?
[10:16] <pippijn> has anyone got an idea what that could be?
[10:16] <Xyc0> apollo2011: there is a link on that page that gives you details on your specific make of laptop
[10:16] <Belutz> tritium: what's Kxx or Sxx means?
[10:16] <scena> ompaul: yeah; i think ive hit a couple lol
[10:16] <nightswim> start and stop scripts
[10:16] <tritium> Belutz, yeah, start and stop
[10:16] <apollo2011> Xyc0: no actually that article is about closing the lid...that works finee on mine...but I will definitely look into those links..thx
[10:16] <scena> ompaul: so far its worked great with the exception of this RAW mode thing
[10:16] <Mibsky> I cant get libdvdcss for ub 64, all the repositories I tried failed... help !
[10:16] <thespiritoftal> hi again is there a way to run swf files in ubuntu?
[10:16] <Belutz> tritium: K=start S=stop ?
[10:16] <tritium> Belutz, those in /etc/rc2.d are symlinks to the scripts in /etc/init.d
[10:16] <CoffeeBreaks> I need to install a post 2.6.10 kernel (SATA not recognized before .11, and maybe this will solve DMA issues I have on my IDE drive. 2.6.11 (from backports?) didn't boot. Any recommendation for a kernel? .12? or .13-rc3?
[10:17] <MartenH> aaa, videos! What do I need to play divX? Player/codecs, and is there something similar to MediaPlayer Classic" (No, no the MS hog) for ubuntu?
[10:17] <Xyc0> apollo2011: do you know how to work with bash commands?
[10:17] <scena> you could also try installing bum - boot up manager
[10:17] <scena> that lets you manage start up stuff right from the Administration panel
[10:17] <Xyc0> apollo2011: cause I ended up editing grub/menu.lst in bash tog et my laptop back to normal
[10:17] <tritium> Belutz, other way around. check out the manpage for update-rc.d for good info too.
[10:17] <Xyc0> apollo2011: I just dont want to leave you hanging
[10:17] <Belutz> tritium: so what's rc0.d , rc1.d until rc6.d ?
[10:17] <sexcopter8000m> ok, noob question here, when i read a man page in the terminal (eg "man foo") how can i exit that and return to the command line?
[10:17] <kgnally> Has anyone in here successfully installed the official ATI linux drivers in Unbuntu? I seem to be having problems doing so
[10:17] <mjr> mibsky, try http://debian.video.free.fr/
[10:17] <sexcopter8000m> without closing and opening another terminal of course
[10:18] <tritium> rc.0 is halt, rc1.d is single-user mode, and so on
[10:18] <CoffeeBreaks> Mibsky: use the build script found in libdvdread3 doc
[10:18] <hybrid_goth> !ati
[10:18] <ubotu> [ati] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:18] <klosborne> back again - since cups administrative menu is disabled, how to i browse for a printer?
[10:18] <Hakaslak> Is this the ubuntu irc channel?
[10:18] <Belutz> tritium: ic... brb, read the man page :D
[10:18] <Xyc0> !suspend
[10:18] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, Xyc0
[10:18] <tritium> :)
[10:18] <tritium> Hakaslak, yep
[10:18] <sexcopter8000m> anyone? i think my question is a simple one
[10:18] <chorton> Does anyone know a command to change your resolution from a console?
[10:18] <CoffeeBreaks> Mibsky: /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh
[10:18] <hybrid_goth> kgnally: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:19] <Mibsky> ok
[10:19] <tritium> chorton, did you see my last message re: xterm -geometry?
[10:19] <hybrid_goth> sexcopter8000m: q
[10:19] <chorton> Yeah, I got that.
[10:19] <chorton> That was for xterm.
[10:19] <chorton> This is for x itself.
[10:19] <sexcopter8000m> excellent, thanks
[10:19] <chorton> I want to change my resolution in fluxbox
[10:19] <tritium> chorton, permanently?
[10:19] <klosborne> what is the correct uri to connect to a cups printer on a nother machine?
[10:19] <chorton> Temporarily for now.
[10:20] <WeirdAl> how do I find my current ip?
[10:20] <chorton> Permanently eventually.
[10:20] <hybrid_goth> WeirdAl: ifconfig
[10:20] <tritium> Does Ctrl-Alt-+/- work in fluxbox?
[10:20] <Mibsky> dpkg-source: extracting libdvdcss in libdvdcss-1.2.5
[10:20] <Mibsky> ./install-css.sh: line 41: fakeroot: command not found
[10:20] <Mibsky> root@Anna:/usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples #
[10:20] <Computer__Guru> www.whatismyip.com
[10:20] <WeirdAl> aha
[10:20] <Mibsky> uh?
[10:20] <Mibsky> fakeroot?
[10:20] <kgnally> thx people that pointed me to that... guess I was wrong AGAIN trusting ATI's install instructions (will they EVER get it right?)
[10:20] <Computer__Guru> Mibsky: apt-get install fakeroot
[10:20] <WeirdAl> aha
[10:20] <WeirdAl> thanks goth
[10:20] <WeirdAl> bye :-)
[10:20] <hybrid_goth> np
[10:21] <chorton> Yes, that works.
[10:21] <Computer__Guru> damn man, /dev/hda4 is starting to fill up
[10:21] <chorton> However, I don't like the high pitched whine the monitor makes when I drop the res once.
[10:21] <Mibsky> OK thanks you
[10:21] <chorton> WHat is the permanent change?
[10:21] <Computer__Guru> i only have 11 gb free
[10:21] <Mibsky> seems like its installed
[10:21] <ketilkn> chorton: Edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:22] <apollo2011> Xyc0: Looks like to suspend, you just have to close the monitor, then you can safely undock from the base.
[10:22] <ketilkn> chorton: The resolution listed first next to your color depth would be the default setting.
[10:22] <Xyc0> apollo2011: sounds good
[10:23] <tritium> chorton, "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and choose the resolutions you want
[10:23] <chorton> So whatever the first resolution listed there is what X will default to?
[10:23] <ketilkn> Yes
[10:24] <Belutz> tritium: so i just can edit /etc/init.d/ntpdate and put "exit 0" at the first line?
[10:24] <chorton> So I can just switch the place of the two resolutions that I want to interchange right?
[10:24] <ketilkn> You have to be root or use sudo to edit the file. sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:24] <tritium> Belutz, update-rc.d is the preferred method, but you can do any of those listed in the Debian Reference
[10:24] <ketilkn> chorton: That would be correct. If the resolution work that is.
[10:24] <Belutz> tritium: ok :)
[10:25] <tritium> Belutz, I won't give you a hard time if you do it another way ;)
[10:25] <ompaul> update-rc.d <-- is there a tool that automates that - a user tool if you will (yes I ack it needs sudo)
[10:25] <chorton> Well, lemme see if this works.
[10:25] <Belutz> tritium: it's ok... i'm trying to learn here :D
[10:25] <ketilkn> chorton: If X fail to the resolution it skips to the next in line/
[10:25] <tritium> :)
[10:26] <catolh> is there any way to "force" a dpkg?
[10:26] <ketilkn> chorton: Sorry for my keyboard issues.. :)
[10:26] <highvoltage> catolh: dpkg --force-help
[10:26] <Jeezis> anyone in here that could tell me how to convert a .c file to a .so file?
[10:26] <liran> hey guys
[10:26] <psychonate> Jeezis, compile?
[10:27] <HollowFrank> whats the best program to rip cd to ogg?
[10:27] <Jeezis> psychonate: yeah, my bad
[10:27] <psychonate> HollowFrank, I prefer grip.
[10:27] <AlexBO> Hello! I wanna show the last login effectuated, but i can't see the file /vat/log/wtmp. If I write "less wtmp" it says me that it's a binary file. if i write "sudo wtmp" it says me that the command is not found, as well if i wrote "sudo ./wtmp".how can i visualize it?
[10:27] <HollowFrank> cheers
[10:27] <the--dud> I use grip as well
[10:27] <hacked``> guys, can anyone help me resolve this error: Makefile.inc:95: *** KERNELPATH must be defined. Stop.
[10:27] <ompaul> Jeezis, this may help http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Program-Library-HOWTO/shared-libraries.html
[10:27] <psychonate> HollowFrank, it can encode to most anything. I used to use it for FLAC, but now mostly ogg vorbis.
[10:28] <Belutz> tritium: i got this # update-rc.d ntpdate stop 99 1 2 3 4 5 6 . System startup links for /etc/init.d/ntpdate already exist.
[10:28] <Jeezis> ompaul: ok, thanks
[10:28] <tritium> HollowFrank, there are also sound-juicer (which you should have installed), and the command-line favorite abcde
[10:29] <patrickj> ello, im back and in openbox :D
[10:29] <hacked``> guys
[10:29] <hacked``> where is the kernel source located
[10:29] <patrickj> wheres the original menu file for openbox?
[10:29] <HollowFrank> tritium: i've been using sound juicer, was just wondering if theres anything better, alas my command line skill is not yet up to scratch so i'll play it safe and stick to a gui
[10:29] <ketilkn> hacked: /usr/src if installed
[10:30] <tritium> HollowFrank, okay.
[10:30] <ep> In a quest to speed up my mouse, I added Option "Resolution" "1600" to the xorg.conf mouse section. Now I want to play around with xset m command but I don't want it to be permanent. For instance if I do xset m 3 2, will it be permanent?
[10:30] <patrickj> hacked: In gentoo I know for sure it is in /usr/src/linux
[10:30] <patrickj> but I do not know about in ubuntu :/
[10:30] <psychonate> patrickj, well, /usr/src/linux would be a symlink to the kernel source
[10:30] <patrickj> but hey guys where the original openbox menu xml file?
[10:30] <tritium> Belutz, I don't see anything wrong with your syntax...
[10:31] <ketilkn> ep: It will not be permanent.
[10:31] <Belutz> tritium: ic...
[10:31] <ketilkn> ep: Just restart X.
[10:31] <tritium> Belutz, and you use sudo, and all that?
[10:32] <Bac9> does anyone here use a faxmodem?
[10:32] <ep> ketilkn, good, also can I check these values (accel and threshhold) to see what the are right now?
[10:32] <CoffeeBreaks> HollowFrank: just try abcde on the command line. Open a terminal and type abcde that's all you need :)
[10:32] <ubuntu> hi
[10:32] <patrickj> how can I change the width of the gnome panel to a fixed width?
[10:33] <AlexBO> halo?
[10:33] <psychonate> I like grip because it is highly configurable and has nice CDDB support.
[10:33] <Comp_Lex> hallo
[10:33] <psychonate> I put in my CD, hit one button, and I get nice ogg vorbis files with nice names/directories and perfect tags :)
[10:34] <AlexBO> Comp_Lex: can anybody answer me?
[10:34] <patrickj> psychonate: yes but it takes FOREVER
[10:34] <ketilkn> ep: xset q
[10:34] <hacked``> where is the kernel source located
[10:34] <psychonate> (after the initial configuration tweaking of course)
[10:34] <ep> ah I see there is a default option too
[10:34] <AlexBO> Comp_Lex: i think it's a easy answer
[10:34] <hacked``> guys, can anyone help me resolve this error: Makefile.inc:95: *** KERNELPATH must be defined. Stop.
[10:34] <Amaranth> hacked``: linux-source-*
[10:34] <liran> a mandrake box i have got stuck during the init process, probably because some faulty start-up scipt. i want to use ubuntu to rescue the partition... after ubuntu loads up i can use fdisk to view the mandrake' root partition and then mount it to get access to the files, right?
[10:34] <Comp_Lex> alexBO:yes, but i just came in :P
[10:34] <hacked``> amaranth, ya but where is it
[10:34] <psychonate> patrickj, er, I don't see why it would take longer than anything else
[10:34] <hacked``> amaranth i need to set KERNELPATH in a makefile
[10:34] <Comp_Lex> AlexBO: What is your problem>
[10:34] <Amaranth> hacked``: if you installed a linux-source package look in /usr/src
[10:34] <psychonate> patrickj, it merely uses cdparanoia to get the wavs and then encodes with the encoder of your choice
[10:34] <patrickj> psychonate: yes I know but ripping music just generally takes a bit of time
[10:35] <psychonate> so what is your point?
[10:35] <psychonate> How is that an argument against grip?
[10:35] <patrickj> it isnt lol
[10:35] <the--dud> liran, should work yeah... ubuntu will prolly mount it for you as well
[10:35] <hacked``> Amaranth, thats the problem, i didnt
[10:35] <AlexBO> Comp_Lex, I wanna show the last login effectuated, but i can't see the file /vat/log/wtmp. If I write "less wtmp" it says me that it's a binary file. if i write "sudo wtmp" it says me that the command is not found, as well if i wrote "sudo ./wtmp".how can i visualize it?
[10:35] <patrickj> its an argument against ripping music :p
[10:35] <tritium> psychonate, because it uses cdparanoia to get exact bit-for-bit copies
[10:35] <tritium> faster rippers tolerate occasional errors
[10:36] <hacked``> Amaranth, whats the apt-get for the linux source
[10:36] <psychonate> eww
[10:36] <psychonate> I would rather it do that myself
[10:36] <Amaranth> hacked``: apt-cache search linux-source
[10:36] <Ja1> AlexBO: last | less
[10:36] <psychonate> (bit-for-bit)
[10:36] <psychonate> tritium, anyway, you can those options in grip anyway
[10:36] <psychonate> AFAIK
[10:36] <psychonate> can change*
[10:37] <AlexBO> Ja1: good! thank you!
[10:37] <ketilkn> hacked``: sudo apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10
[10:37] <psychonate> It allows you to specify all of that cdparanoia stuff.
[10:37] <ketilkn> hacked``: If you use kernel 2.6.10 that is
[10:37] <jimiykriket> hi guys, i have a gig of ram, is there any way i can make a ram drive or something so ubuntu live don't run off the cd?
[10:37] <psychonate> e.g. : "Disable paranoia" "Disable extra paranoia"
[10:37] <tritium> all I'm saying is exact copies are worth the wait
[10:37] <hacked``> amaranth, are you trying to tell me that apt-cache search only returns results relevant to my system? cause it only returned linux-source-2.6.10
[10:38] <ketilkn> hacked``: or use sudo synaptic and search for kernel
[10:38] <psychonate> tritium, oh, I agree. I thought you were arguing against that :)
[10:38] <Amaranth> hacked``: And?
[10:38] <hacked``> im asking if thats how it works
[10:38] <Amaranth> hacked``: No, it returns anything with linux-source in the name
[10:38] <psychonate> Either way, grip is fantastic because it so configurable IMO. You can pretty much change it to work however you wish
[10:38] <Amaranth> that is available for download
[10:38] <tritium> psychonate, :)
[10:38] <hacked``> so you're telling me thats theres only 1 linux source available for download ?
[10:38] <liran> the--dud: any specific arguments i should give ubuntu for loading my mandrake's /?
[10:38] <Xyc0> How do I look up the BusID for my vidcard?
[10:39] <ketilkn> chorton: Did it work ?
[10:39] <the--dud> liran, the livecd will work without any special arguments usually
[10:39] <psychonate> Xyc0, do you need it for your xorg.conf
[10:39] <psychonate> ?
[10:39] <Xyc0> psychonate: rgr
[10:39] <Xyc0> psychonate: errr... roger
[10:39] <Xyc0> yes
[10:39] <Xyc0> sorry planetside lingo
[10:39] <liran> the--dud: if you say so... i dont remember it mounting my windows partition last time (hoary 5.04)
[10:39] <Amaranth> hacked``: Appearently yes, in breezy.
[10:40] <psychonate> Xyc0, use 'lspci -X'
[10:40] <liran> the--dud: the--dud: btw, can i mount read and write mode? to alter damaged stuff in that box?
[10:40] <psychonate> the X is very helpful because it list the locations in the format that xorg.conf uses
[10:40] <hacked``> well then how do i uncompress a .bz2 file
[10:41] <hacked``> shouldnt "install" do this (apt-get install)
[10:41] <psychonate> I had lots of trouble finding the busid myself before I found out about that option heh
[10:41] <ketilkn> hacked``: tar xfvj filename.tar.bz2
[10:41] <Burgundavia> hacked``, right click and chose extract
[10:41] <jimiykriket> anyone? can u make a ram drive thing so ubuntu live won't run of the cd?
[10:41] <Xyc0> psychonate: awsome, that helped alot
[10:41] <uber_newber> can sum help me out please, im trying to change my screen resolution. so i got to system> preferences> and screen resolution, but it only gives me the size 640x480, which is the size its at now.
[10:41] <Derkommissar> how can i clear the clipboard on gnome using ubuntu
[10:41] <Xyc0> Now here is a trixter, how do I find the VideoRam of my specific Vid card?
[10:41] <Derkommissar> i copy and paste but nothing happes
[10:42] <Derkommissar> happens
[10:42] <psychonate> Xyc0, np. Lspci is a pain without that option imo
[10:42] <the--dud> liran, it might be mounted read-only automatically, but you can easily allow rw mode
[10:42] <ketilkn> Derkkommissar: Are you unable to paste?
[10:42] <Xyc0> psychonate: yea, i think i actualy tried it w/o, thats what pushed me here :D
[10:43] <uber_newber> can sum help me out please, im trying to change my screen resolution. so i got to system> preferences> and screen resolution, but it only gives me the size 640x480, which is the size its at now.
[10:43] <uber_newber> shouldt i b able to adjust it
[10:43] <blmartin777> has anybody installed engage on ubuntu?
[10:43] <chorton> You need to reconfig X. . .
[10:44] <psychonate> Xyc0, not sure about the videoram. Let me look around heh
[10:44] <chorton> I'm trying to remember the command for it.
[10:44] <psychonate> Xyc0, you don't always need to specify that btw
[10:44] <ketilkn> uber_newber: You probably have the wrong display driver
[10:44] <tritium> chorton, "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[10:44] <psychonate> Xyc0, I know I didn't.
[10:44] <Xyc0> psychonate: I wanted to give as much info as possible, linux drivers are bad enough as it is
[10:44] <chorton> That's the one.
[10:44] <uber_newber> ketilkn: so i need to download a new diplay driver
[10:45] <psychonate> Xyc0, what card do you use? I find the nvidia drivers to be fairly good.
[10:45] <ketilkn> uber_newber: probably not. Just reconfigure X. What kind of computer have you got?
[10:45] <psychonate> Pretty much the only extra thing I had to specify with BusID because I also have an onboard card.
[10:45] <psychonate> s/with/was
[10:45] <Xyc0> psychonate: nvidia
[10:46] <uber_newber> yur gunna laugh, extremly old toshiba tecra 8000, 2 processor
[10:46] <psychonate> Xyc0, are you using the official drivers?
[10:46] <Xyc0> psychonate: the ones from the us repos
[10:46] <psychonate> Did you edit your config to use the new drivers?
[10:46] <ketilkn> uber_newber: Do you know what video card you have?
[10:47] <uber_newber> umm nope, but i think it might b neomagic, but thats a wild guess
[10:47] <Xyc0> psychonate: xorg.confg, I think ive edited it beyond recognition
[10:47] <psychonate> lol
[10:47] <Xyc0> luckly I backed it up
[10:47] <psychonate> My "Device" section consists only of an Identifier, a Driver, and a BusID
[10:47] <psychonate> In my experience, that is *usually* enough
[10:47] <Xyc0> ah ha ha ha , I found out where to look up the video ram
[10:48] <Xyc0> your memory * 1024
[10:48] <ninja_indiano> Im having problems instaling ubunto it frezees up ate 98% when it searches for ACPI....I have a vaio S460
[10:48] <hacked``> guys, im trying to compile something and its looking for the kernel .config file, where can i find this ?
[10:48] <Belutz> Seveas, tritium: the samba workssss hoorayyy :D
[10:48] <tritium> Good job, Belutz :)
[10:48] <psychonate> I thought you didn't know how much ram your card had at all.
[10:48] <hacked``> amaranth, im trying to compile something and its looking for the kernel .config file, where can i find this ?
[10:49] <Belutz> tritium: :D
[10:49] <Amaranth> hacked``: you probably just want the heades
[10:49] <Amaranth> err, headers
[10:49] <Amaranth> Honestly, I've never compiled something that needed kernel headers on Ubuntu.
[10:49] <Amaranth> Or compiled my own kernel.
[10:49] <Belutz> tritium: now i can teach my lecturer how to set up samba LOL heuhue
[10:49] <Amaranth> So, yeah, good luck. :P
[10:49] <hacked``> amaranth, i thought you were an expert
[10:49] <uber_newber> ketilkn: so what do u reccomend
[10:49] <tritium> Belutz, nice!
[10:50] <Amaranth> hacked``: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
[10:51] <tritium> hacked``, are you compiling a module with linux-headers-$(uname -r) installed? Just grab /boot/config-$(uname -r)
[10:51] <josea-huelva> ver irc-hispanao.org
[10:51] <ketilkn> uber_newber: You should find out what card you have.
[10:51] <fabien> bonsoir
[10:52] <uber_newber> ketilkn: can u tell me how to do that
[10:52] <fabien> j'ai un petit souci avec ma resolution
[10:52] <sexcopter8000m> hi, I've just tried to put on the ati binary drivers, which didn't work, i've pasted what i think is the most relevant bit of the log file for xorg. does it reveal what might be the matter? http://pastebin.com/322800
[10:52] <janga> uber_member: its a neomagic 2.5MB VRAM
[10:53] <tritium> fabien, #ubuntu-fr
[10:54] <hacked``> trittium, i just patched my wifi driver, and now i have to make && make install
[10:54] <janga> uber_member: best is to run a sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver
[10:54] <hacked``> then modprobe ath_pci
[10:55] <QMario> How can I fax from my desktop? Is there a faxing program for Ubuntu?
[10:55] <Ja1> hacked``: just installing linux-headers should be enough. Grab package corresponding to you running kernel
[10:56] <Burgundavia> QMario, gfax or efax
[10:56] <Burgundavia> QMario, neither is very nice looking
[10:56] <Jeezis> where would gaims actual program files be located if i installed it via synaptic?
[10:56] <ketilkn> uber_newber: There is a X11 driver called neomagic_dev. Try it out
[10:57] <ketilkn> Janga is of course right if you can handle the commandline.
[10:57] <QMario> Burgundavia, what about mgetty?
[10:57] <uber_newber> i think i can
[10:57] <uber_newber> i dunno ill try
[10:58] <Burgundavia> QMario, never used it
[10:58] <siretart> hi folks
[10:58] <siretart> hm. is evolution in hoary supposed to be able to store its calendar files on an webdav enabled apache?
[10:58] <ketilkn> Jeezis: try which gaime
[10:58] <ketilkn> Jeezis, in a terminal
[10:58] <tritium> siretart, yes
[10:58] <djsar> hi
[10:59] <Ja1> Jeezis: Install the package foo and then run a command "dpkg -L foo", it will tell you
[10:59] <Jeezis> ketilkn: thanks, but i found it using dlocate
[10:59] <ketilkn> I see
[10:59] <djsar> >>DO NOT USE BREEZY YET why not? is it too unstable?
[10:59] <quiet> granted.. it's not debian specific.. but if anyone likes it.. here ya go: http://www.deviantart.com/view/21055903/
[10:59] <siretart> tritium: did you manage to do that? when I try that, evo just barks at me "unauthorized" without giving me the chance to give username/pw
[11:00] <siretart> djsar: X is currently very broken
[11:00] <tritium> siretart, I actually haven't tried yet, sorrry
[11:00] <djsar> siretart, probs with gcc i think?
[11:01] <siretart> djsar: rather probs with modularisation: breezy will ship xorg7
[11:01] <djsar> boah
[11:01] <djsar> siretart, that would be nice..
[11:02] <shoshe> Thanks God im connected ... hello to all Ubuntians !! :)
[11:02] <siretart> hi shoshe :)
[11:02] <Seveas> hello shoshe
[11:02] <djsar> hi shoshe // if u like my god join #terror
[11:02] <Seveas> it's called Ubuntuites by the way :)
[11:02] <ompaul> shoshe, welcome
[11:02] <Seveas> djsar, don't spam in here...
[11:02] <djsar> :)
[11:02] <shoshe> opps .. sorry .. first time using Ubuntu linux actually !!
[11:03] <jasoncohen> how am i supposed to resize my root ext3 partition? it can't be resized live so i booted off the live cd and install gparted & qtparted. gparted won't resize though becuase it gives this error- "dumpe2fs: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/mapper/casper-snapshot1 Error: Unable to open /dev/mapper/casper-cow - unrecognised disk labele2fsck -fy /dev/hda4"
[11:03] <QMario> How do I make my modem work in Ubuntu?
[11:03] <jasoncohen> and qtparted doesn't even give an option to resize
[11:03] <sexcopter8000m> hi, I've just tried to put on the ati binary drivers, which didn't work, i've pasted what i think is the most relevant bit of the log file for xorg. does it reveal what might be the matter? http://pastebin.com/322800
[11:03] <Seveas> jasoncohen, are you *sure* /dev/hda4 is the partition you want to resize?
[11:03] <jasoncohen> Seveas, yes
[11:03] <ompaul> ubuntusphere might be better
[11:03] <shoshe> ok folks ... gota little problem here ... i need to install my NVidia Driver and it says shutdown the X Server first .. how do i do that ?
[11:04] <djsar> siretart, where can i see free jobs to be done? (testing, artwork or python-codin?)
[11:04] <Seveas> jasoncohen, isn't it an extenden partition with logical partitions inside it?
[11:04] <jasoncohen> Seve
[11:04] <linukso> Hi! Why do I often experience that files that I can play with mplayer, cant be played with totem, even though ffmpeg is installed? (totem-gstreamer and gstreamer-ffmpeg is installed...)
[11:04] <jasoncohen> Seveas, /dev/hda4 2172 3630 11719417+ 83 Linux
[11:04] <Seveas> linukso, are these wmv files perhaps?
[11:04] <Ja1> shoshe: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[11:04] <QMario> Linukso, try installing totem-xine?
[11:04] <linukso> Seveas: nope, mpeg4
[11:04] <siretart> djsar: oh, there is in fact a lot work left to do
[11:04] <jasoncohen> linukso, do you have w32codecs installed?
[11:05] <Seveas> oooh, mpeg4...
ok folks ... gota little problem here ... i need to install my NVidia Driver and it says shutdown the X Server first .. how do i do that ?
[11:05] <linukso> jasoncohen: why would that help? gstreamer isnt using w32codecs, is it?
[11:05] <siretart> djsar: just hang around in appropriate mailinglist and irc channels you are interested in helping out, and do stuff. It will be appreciated!
[11:05] <djsar> siretart, thats why i ask, im usin fedora 4 and its broken like hell..
[11:05] <jasoncohen> Seveas, what should i do and why does the live cd partition have anything to do with an unmounted ext3 partition
so that should be dont on the terminal after logging off from Gnome ?
[11:05] <Seveas> linukso, totem-xine can use it
[11:05] <jasoncohen> linukso, you should use w32codecs + totem-xine
[11:05] <jasoncohen> better codec support
[11:06] <Seveas> jasoncohen, no idea really, looking over it again
[11:06] <djsar> siretart, so where can i see those hanging jobs?
[11:06] <Ja1> shoshe: it will terminate gnome itself
[11:06] <QMario> How do I make my modem work in Ubuntu? It always says that it can't detect a modem even when it is plugged in. How come Windows can detect the modem, but Linux can't?
[11:06] <jasoncohen> Seveas, nothing on /dev/hda is mounted including swap
oo lala .. lemme try that then ma mann ..
[11:06] <siretart> djsar: we don't have time to write them out ;) - in what area would you like to help out?
[11:06] <Belutz> tritium: what should i learn now?
[11:06] <linukso> QMario: allready got mplayer, so I can play the files, just wondered why gstreamer doesn't work.
[11:06] <Seveas> jasoncohen, the live cd automounts swap, have you checked that?
[11:07] <jasoncohen> Seveas, i did swapoff -a
[11:07] <tritium> Belutz, what are your interests?
[11:07] <QMario> Oh, okay.
[11:07] <djsar> siretart, i could do testing, artwork and some coding in python
[11:07] <Seveas> linukso, gstreamer cannot handle mpeg4 I guess
[11:07] <djsar> siretart, my C or C++ is too bad to be usefull
[11:07] <tritium> Belutz, don't ask me, I'll give you a bunch of EE stuff to read ;)
[11:07] <equex> this might be a newbish question, but why is linux appearing to use ALL the ram, all the time ? does it just work like that ? Ksyslog reports that all the physical memory (768mb) is used and that it is using about 3K of swap space...
[11:07] <jimiykriket> anyone? can u make a ram drive thing so ubuntu live won't run of the cd?
[11:07] <Seveas> QMario, maybe it's a winmodem
[11:07] <Belutz> tritium: hahahaha
[11:07] <jasoncohen> actually i think i did swapoff /dev/hda2 - either way, it's not shown as mounted
[11:08] <gigaclon> winmodem = lose
[11:08] <gigaclon> :)
[11:08] <Seveas> jasoncohen, sorry, I have to give up on that, I have no real experience with *parted
[11:08] <linukso> Seveas: but the gstreamer-ffmpeg package claims that it does :)... But, no need to bother you anymore, I
[11:08] <Belutz> tritium: what email client do u use? thunderbird or evolution?
[11:08] <linukso> Seveas: thanks
[11:08] <Seveas> packages claim a lot ;)
[11:08] <tritium> Belutz, I use evolution.
[11:09] <sexcopter8000m> erm, this may sound dumb, but if i'm using a pentium4, should uname -r yield 2.6.10-5-386?
[11:09] <Seveas> and mpeg4 has different incarnations iirc
[11:09] <QMario> Seveas, what is a winmodem?
[11:09] <Seveas> sexcopter8000m, if you did not install linux-686: yes
[11:09] <Belutz> tritium: can i share the mbox between thunderbird and evolution?
[11:09] <tritium> hoping that one day it'll work properly with our exchange/OWA server
[11:09] <siretart> djsar: for artwork have a look at http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[11:09] <ompaul> Seveas, the non standard standard a quick way to die
[11:09] <linukso> The world of video codecs is full of evilness... :)
[11:09] <Seveas> QMario, a modem specifically designed to use the CPU and drivers for most of the work, usually only works under windows
[11:09] <hybrid_goth> QMario: software modem
[11:09] <ketilkn> equex: Linux use ram to cache the contents of your harddisk.
[11:09] <sexcopter8000m> what is the 686 for then?
[11:10] <trooperdb> how can i change the order a kernel module is loaded?
[11:10] <sexcopter8000m> is that 64-bit?
[11:10] <Seveas> sexcopter8000m, that installs a pentium-specific kernel
[11:10] <siretart> djsar: for helping out in universe, perhaps in giving love to python packages in universe, join us in #ubuntu-motu and see, if packaging would be a job for you
[11:10] <Seveas> no, not 64 bit
[11:10] <sexcopter8000m> ok
[11:10] <wims> how do i search for a string in the all the files i got in a directory at once?
[11:10] <tritium> Belutz, local mbox? Not sure, but you can set them up both to use the same IMAP or POP server
[11:10] <ketilkn> equex: That chache is freed up for processes as needed.
[11:10] <siretart> djsar: for testing: sure, as soon as xorg is functional again, upgrade to breezy and commit bugs to bugzilla and/or malone :)
[11:10] <ketilkn> cache
[11:10] <jimiykriket> anyone? can u make a ram drive thing so ubuntu live won't run of the cd?
[11:10] <Seveas> trooperdb, you can add something you specifically want first to /etc/modules
[11:10] <puff> in gnome, is there an equivalent to the windows "hide all windows and show me the desktop" shortcut?
[11:10] <jimiykriket> pleaaaaaaaase?
[11:10] <ben_60657> n00b needs to know what packages to apt in order to play .avi .mpg .wmv .mov divx xvid, etc.
[11:10] <Seveas> puff, you can create one
[11:11] <brodo> there is one by default
[11:11] <QMario> What type of modems work with Ubuntu? Is there a way to send a fax over an Ethernet connection?
[11:11] <Seveas> with system ->preferences -> keyboard shortcuts
[11:11] <tritium> puff, it should be in the lower left corner
[11:11] <Seveas> brodo, ah ok, which one? (I set it to flag+d :))
[11:11] <equex> ketilkn: ok. :)
[11:11] <linukso> puff: stock gnome layout got that in lower left corner
[11:11] <trooperdb> Seveas: and if i wanted to remove a module? specifically i'm loading ppa for my zip100 drive.. it needs to be loaded before lp, which loads first.
[11:11] <Belutz> tritium: actually i just pop email only from gmail... and i already share the local mbox between thunderbird in ubuntu and thunderbird in winxp, but i really like the evolution address book :D
[11:11] <Seveas> ben_60657: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[11:11] <ben_60657> thx
[11:11] <tritium> Belutz, if you find out, let me know ;)
[11:11] <djsar> siretart, but in this state xorg would not start? am i right?
[11:11] <brodo> Seveas, in the lower left corner, like linukso sad
[11:12] <puff> linukso: Ah, gotcher, thanks.
[11:12] <Seveas> trooperdb, lp is in that file, reorder that file and you're set :)
[11:12] <Belutz> tritium: i will :D
[11:12] <redtech> whats popular for music mixing, mastering... ?
[11:12] <trooperdb> Seveas: doesn't sound hard. thanks :)
[11:12] <Seveas> brodo, i meant *keyboard* shortcut
[11:12] <sexcopter8000m> i can't see 686 anywhere in the iso page (http://ubuntu.hands.com/releases/hoary/). would it make sense to start anew with ubuntu, this time getting the 686 version?
[11:12] <Seveas> not mouseclick shortcut :)
[11:12] <brodo> Seveas, oh...
[11:12] <Seveas> sexcopter8000m, no
[11:12] <Seveas> there are no 686 cds
[11:12] <siretart> djsar: well, without X, you would be restricted to console only apps ;)
[11:13] <Seveas> sexcopter8000m, you just need to install the linux-686 package to get a pentium-optimized kernel
[11:13] <hybrid_goth> siretart: not that its a bad thing
[11:13] <siretart> djsar: well in fact, you could install breezy in a chroot, and start/test application from there
[11:13] <sexcopter8000m> and would you recommend that?
[11:13] <Seveas> sexcopter8000m, yes
[11:13] <ketilkn> Seveas: system ->preferences -> keyboard shortcuts
[11:13] <siretart> hybrid_goth: no, not at all, but I'm not sure everyone could live without ;)
[11:13] <sexcopter8000m> cool, thanks
[11:14] <djsar> siretart, thx i read in those lists..
[11:14] <Seveas> ketilkn, no need to tell me that :)
[11:14] <sexcopter8000m> just before i do this, since it sounds quite major, is it any more complicated that just installing that package in synaptic?
[11:14] <Seveas> sexcopter8000m, a bit
[11:14] <Seveas> you will need to reboot afterwards to use the 686 kernel :)
[11:14] <MartenH> Is there an FTP client in ubuntu?
[11:14] <hacked``> guys, i just got the kernel sources, how do i compile them ?
[11:14] <sexcopter8000m> lol
[11:14] <ketilkn> Seveas, I dont even know why I did.
[11:14] <Seveas> MartenH, places -> connect to server
[11:14] <ketilkn> hehe
[11:14] <din> MartenH, gftp
[11:15] <Seveas> MartenH, how's the WPA going?
[11:15] <sexcopter8000m> remind me, is smp for systems with more than one processor?
[11:15] <Seveas> hacked``, why would you want to do that?
[11:15] <linukso> hmmm, gnome keyboard shortcuts confuses me: <Ctrl><Alt><f> works for web browser, but not <Mod4><f>, even though <Mod4><f> works for other things...
[11:15] <Seveas> sexcopter8000m, correct
[11:15] <sexcopter8000m> ok
[11:15] <MartenH> Seveas: Is there anything more "useful" I could get instead to do FTP? .. and the WPA is not comming at all *sigh*
[11:15] <brodo> redtech, rosegarden is a popular midi-sequenzer, ardour a hdd recorder
[11:16] <sexcopter8000m> downloading now :)
[11:16] <Seveas> MartenH, I just heard from someone that orinoco cards may be supported by the atheros madwifi driver, maybe you can try that
[11:16] <MartenH> Seveas: there are some few loose ends, but most include building my own modules and that is a bit above my head
[11:16] <redtech> brodo: you familiar with it at all?
[11:16] <din> oronico cards have theirs own linux module
[11:16] <din> orinico_cs
[11:16] <brodo> redtech, no i use win for my music stuff
[11:16] <MartenH> Seveas: ok, how can I change which driver is used? (it's not an orinoco card though, just uses that drivr, it's a linksys card)
[11:16] <din> their*
[11:17] <Seveas> MartenH, gftp is quite nice
[11:17] <Seveas> you can use that for ftp
[11:17] <Seveas> MartenH, what was your card type again?
[11:17] <MartenH> Seveas: ok, I'll get that package then :)
[11:17] <redtech> brodo: thanks. Ill check it out.
[11:17] <brodo> redtech, i just found "wirded" http://bloodshed.net/wired/... looks interesting
[11:17] <MartenH> Seveas: Linksys WPC 11 ver.3 (Chipset most likely Prism 2 or 3)
[11:17] <Seveas> too bad :(
[11:18] <Seveas> worthless idea then
[11:18] <janga> is there a way to play musepack files in rhythmbox?
[11:18] <redtech> brodo: there we go
[11:18] <MartenH> g'night
[11:18] <thespiritoftal> I have uninstalled firestarter but everytime I open ubuntu it tells me to give the root password to open firestarter... how can i fix it?
[11:19] <linukso> thespiritoftal: find firestarter in synaptic and mark it for complete removal
[11:19] <xliu> which gui do u use, gnome or kde or else?
[11:20] <ompaul> xliu, in ubuntu gnome in kubuntu kde or something else if you so choose, gnome does great
[11:20] <ompaul> s/does/is
[11:20] <Veon> Does anyone out there feel like helping a me (who is new to Linux) with how to install Java Plug-in for Firefox?
[11:20] <Comp_Lex> sure
[11:20] <xliu> Veon, you can read Ubuntu unoffcial doc
[11:20] <tritium> !java
[11:20] <ubotu> I guess java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[11:21] <Veon> I did! but it didn't work
[11:21] <Comp_Lex> :S
[11:21] <tritium> Veon, did you use java-package?
[11:21] <Xyc0> I am still geting this from glxgears: 16440 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3288.000 FPS
[11:21] <Belutz> tritium: if i want to use evolution for let say my campus, so we can share calendar, we have to set up the server right? is it the exchange server?
[11:21] <tritium> did you download Sun's .bin, and use fakeroot & make-jpkg to build a .deb?
[11:21] <hacked``> guys
[11:21] <Comp_Lex> i downloaded it straight from Sun and it works for me. :)
[11:21] <xliu> how do u feel xfce?
[11:21] <Xyc0> is 3288 fps a good thing?
[11:21] <hacked``> where is the kernel .config file located?
[11:22] <tritium> hacked``, /boot/config-$(uname -r)
[11:22] <Xyc0> psychonate: I am still getting 16440 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3288.000 FPS in glxgears, is that how it should be?
[11:22] <gooktime> Anyone have any idea if it'd be possible to remap the F13 key on an apple pro keyboard to printscrn or something in linux?
[11:23] <tritium> Belutz, actually, you can try a WebDAV enabled webserver if that's all you want to do
[11:23] <Veon> I've tried writing "sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5" into the terminal. but it sayd that it can't find the packagde or something.
[11:23] <ompaul> Veon, did you add something like -->deb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ hoary java <--- to your /etc/apt/sources and then do apt-get update, and then try to install java?
[11:23] <linukso> Xyc0: I'm getting 639 from my old geforce2go
[11:23] <Belutz> tritium: ok :)
[11:23] <tritium> Veon, after you build the .deb with make-jpkg, you need to install it with dpkg -i <filename.deb>
[11:23] <Veon> No I didn't try that, ompaul.
[11:23] <Xyc0> this is a GoForce 5200
[11:23] <tritium> you can't use apt-get since it's not in the repos
[11:23] <Belutz> how do you check the fps ??
[11:23] <djsar> gn8
[11:23] <tritium> It's on your filesystem, Veon
[11:23] <Xyc0> linukso: Is that accurate tho, i thought FPS should be around 300
[11:23] <ompaul> Veon, well if you do and then you launch syanaptic you may be surprised
[11:24] <Xyc0> Belutz: glxgears
[11:24] <linukso> Xyc0: the more the better, isn't it?
[11:24] <Veon> I'll give it a try
[11:24] <Xyc0> linukso: not when youa re trying to configure the driver correctly
[11:24] <basti> !webmin
[11:24] <ubotu> To use webmin with ubuntu you have to add a webmin-root account with : /usr/share/webmin/changepass.pl /etc/webmin root "password", or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WebminWithoutARootAccount
[11:24] <tritium> Veon, did you see anything I sent you?
[11:24] <Xyc0> linukso: too high and something is wrong
[11:25] <gooktime> scratch that, i figured it out :D
[11:25] <linukso> Xyc0: ah, ok.
[11:25] <Veon> Yeah. I did.
[11:25] <Belutz> i only got 259 fps???
[11:25] <tritium> Veon, you never replied. Did you use make-jpkg?
[11:25] <Xyc0> Jesus, 9129 fps
[11:26] <Veon> I have no idea what that is
[11:26] <tritium> did you follow the wiki page?
[11:26] <linukso> tritium: any reason why he shouldn't just add a java rep to sources.list?
[11:26] <Veon> wiki page?
[11:26] <ompaul> Someone was asking about 'chkcfg' there aint but you can use something like rcconf for removing services at boot time
[11:26] <Belutz> so ati really s*cks in linux?
[11:27] <tritium> linukso, is this repo distributing legal packages? Sun's licensing is rather strict. Which repo are you referring to?
[11:27] <Slipaway172> Belutz, no
[11:27] <ompaul> propritory hardware is not open
[11:27] <Belutz> Slipaway172: i use ati mobility 9600
[11:27] <linukso> the one refered to in the wiki.... hmm, didn't think about licensing. Should have thought about that.
[11:28] <tritium> Veon, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java <--This is the preferred way
[11:28] <Veon> I'll take a look :)
[11:28] <basti> is there any gui ftpserver for ubuntu?
[11:28] <hybrid_goth> gftp
[11:29] <basti> server!
[11:29] <tritium> gui server?
[11:29] <basti> yes
[11:29] <MeLLoN`> glftpd
[11:29] <basti> k gonna try it thx :)
[11:29] <sexcopter8000m> well, i have the 686 kernel now. do you think there'll be any milage in trying the fglrx drivers again? or will that not change owt?
[11:30] <hacked``> guys, i downloaded the linux kernel sources, but i dont have a .config file which i need to compile my wifi driver
[11:30] <hacked``> where can i find it
[11:30] <grover> it's in /boot I think
[11:31] <tritium> hacked``, I told you, in /boot
[11:31] <tritium> hacked``, and all you need is linux-headers-$(uname -r) and /boot/config-$(uname -r)
[11:31] <linukso> hacked``: think you just need the linux headers
[11:31] <brodo> oh, mounting a hdd to my home dir seems to be a bad idea....
[11:32] <brodo> gnome crashed
[11:32] <hacked``> guys all i know is that when i do make, it says that it cant find .config in /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.10
[11:32] <tritium> hacked``, again, you don't need to download the source
[11:32] <tritium> all you need is the headers package
[11:32] <grover> is there a wiki entry on this? I tried using linux-headers to compile acerhk driver, ran into issues, used whole source and it worked
[11:32] <karljp> any suggestions for the fastest image viewer? faster than gqview? (just for viewing, it doesn't need to do _anything_ else) I want to flick through 1-2meg jpegs
[11:33] <hacked``> tritium, what are you talking about, i just patched my driver, and now i need to make it
[11:33] <hacked``> can i just msg you for 1 minute
[11:34] <hacked``> i've been trying to resolve this for 3 hours
[11:34] <tritium> I think you've ignored my advice, so what do you intend to discuss?
[11:34] <hacked``> i dont understand your advice
[11:35] <tritium> okay, go ahead and query me
[11:35] <basti> how come that after I stop the ftpdaemon I get LESS ram free?! o_O
[11:36] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me adjust my screen resolution, it wont let me change it from the size 640x480, it doesnt give and option of anyother size than that. shouldt i b able to adjust it sumhow
[11:36] <basti> uber_newber, https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:36] <basti> reah that
[11:36] <basti> read
[11:36] <basti> that helped me :)
[11:36] <grover> wiki knows all
[11:37] <jasoncohen> when i try to resize my root fs (ext3) in the hoary live cd i get this error - "dumpe2fs: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/mapper/casper-snapshot1 Error: Unable to open /dev/mapper/casper-cow - unrecognised disk label."
[11:37] <jasoncohen> what should i do to resolve it? no partitions are mounted on /dev/hda. i'm attempting to resize /dev/hda4
[11:39] <puff> Interesting... I don't recall, at any point during the install, being asked to enter a root password. It asked me to set up a username and password, which work fine, but what's root?
[11:39] <mitsuhiko> any kde user here?
[11:39] <jasoncohen> puff, there is no root password in ubuntu. you use your user password with sudo when you need administrative privileges
[11:39] <puff> ah-hah.
[11:39] <jasoncohen> root is the administrative user in most other linux distributions
[11:39] <ompaul> puff, check out the sudo info
[11:39] <ompaul> !sudo
[11:39] <ubotu> rumour has it, sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:39] <puff> Yeah, I'm new at ubuntu, not new at unix.
[11:40] <cato_> !dma
[11:40] <Bac9> anyone configured hylafax to recieve faxes and can help me set it up?
[11:41] <karljp> and the answer seems to be qiv, thanks everyone ;)
[11:42] <tritium> puff, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[11:42] <ompaul> cheers too late for me
[11:42] <Belutz> tritium: i'm going to sleep now... it's almost 5 am in here hehehe
[11:42] <tritium> Belutz, good night :)
[11:43] <mpmc> lol
[11:43] <Belutz> :)
[11:44] <Grout> hey, anyone know of a good dock for ubuntu?
[11:46] <uber_newber> basti: is video resolution and screen resolution the same thing?
[11:47] <Grout> yes
[11:47] <QMario> Thank you everyone. Bye! Click on this link first:How do I make my modem work in Ubuntu?
[11:47] <QMario> Thank you everyone. Bye! Click on this link first: http://wayofthemaster.com/wotm_flash.html
[11:48] <Grout> anyone know anything about a dock/
[11:48] <Grout> ?
[11:48] <tritium> QMario, please don't advertise like that in here
[11:48] <jimiykriket> can anyone tell me me how to set up apache to run CGI programes
[11:48] <jimiykriket> ?
[11:49] <jimiykriket> apt?
[11:49] <benplaut> Grout: like... a laptop dock?
[11:49] <benplaut> ohhh
[11:49] <benplaut> a Mac OS/X dock
[11:49] <flodine> can some tell me if they can get this skin to work?
[11:49] <Grout> yea
[11:50] <flodine> http://www.koregraphik.com/portfolio/skins/valkyrie/comments/
[11:50] <Grout> no an osx type dock
[11:50] <brosio> is better xfs or ext3 ?
[11:50] <flodine> anyone
[11:50] <LED_scorched> is there a quick way to give my self root access with out using "sudo"?
[11:51] <grover> sudo su - takes too long? make it an alias perhaps
[11:51] <LED_scorched> well.. i got a shit load of stuff to move
[11:51] <LED_scorched> and i was awanted to know if i could just do it as root throught the gui instead
[11:52] <LED_scorched> *wanting
[11:52] <cato_> Has anyone here actually managed to get 3d acceleration and direct rendering with the "new" Ati driver installer? (I want to install these drivers, and not the BinaryDriverHowto fglrx.. Cedega seems to dislike these for me..)
[11:52] <benplaut> disconnect your internet, if you do
[11:52] <jimiykriket> can anyone tell me me how to set up apache to run CGI programes
[11:52] <tritium> sudo -i
[11:52] <jimiykriket> is libapache2-mod-scgi a comon way to go?
[11:52] <benplaut> you can of course just do "gksudo nautilus", and do it through that
[11:53] <sJaM> hi
[11:53] <benplaut> hi
[11:53] <flodine> can someone tell me if the tried the link to xmms skins
[11:53] <sJaM> I installed the bmp musepack from the musepack site
[11:53] <sJaM> (plugin)
[11:53] <Grout> anyone know of a dock?
[11:53] <sJaM> and after the configure make and make install
[11:53] <sJaM> it is in /usr/lib/bmp/Input
[11:53] <bluefoxicy> . . .
[11:53] <sJaM> but it doesn't show up in the input plugins in bmp
[11:54] <sJaM> anyone knows a step I missed ?
[11:54] <benplaut> Grout: do you mean like a Mac OS/X style dock?
[11:54] <bluefoxicy> Has anyone noticed that the pie chart in both the OpenOffice.org Calc and Gnumeric icons is the exact same damn one?
[11:54] <bluefoxicy> But the sheet behind it is different?
[11:54] <crimsun> you ask as if it were a bad thing
[11:55] <bluefoxicy> it's odd
[11:55] <Burgundavia> probably from the same stock icons
[11:55] <jimiykriket> just out of interest can anyone here me?
[11:55] <othernoob> no, nobody can here you
[11:55] <jimiykriket> or does freenode want me to regester
[11:55] <crimsun> jimiykriket: we read you
[11:56] <jimiykriket> othernoob: thank you honerabale othernoob :)
[11:56] <holycow> i'm trying to hear you ....
[11:56] <jimiykriket> crimsun, :)
[11:56] <othernoob> always ;)
[11:56] <holycow> ... but i think that it's not working right
[11:56] <flogiston> Does someone know how to make gnome menus transparent?
[11:56] <bluefoxicy> jimiykriket: We want you to register. All of us responding are freenode staff. We need your bank account number, PIN, two major credit cards, and your social.
[11:56] <jimiykriket> u guys know what libapache2-mod-scgi is for?
[11:57] <jimiykriket> bluefoxicy, haha
[11:57] <holycow> bluefoxicy, don't forget the dna sample
[11:57] <Burgundavia> jimiykriket, the registering is so that nobody else uses your nick
[11:57] <bluefoxicy> holycow: You can go get that if you want. *hands a tube of liquid platinum*
[11:57] <Subliminal> Seveas: are you around? wondering if you'd had a chance to look at that make-jpkg config file
[11:57] <jimiykriket> bluefoxicy, I know you'll only acept credit card don't kid me
[11:57] <jimiykriket> :P
[11:58] <jimiykriket> u guys know what libapache2-mod-scgi is for?
[11:58] <sorush20> guys how do I format a DVD that I could use as a drag and drop DVD
[11:58] <jimiykriket> i think i'll just go install it
[11:58] <sorush20> guys do you know of a backup program that can write to DVD-RW
[11:58] <othernoob> sorush20: k3b ?
[11:58] <mpmc> !info libapache2-mod-scgi
[11:58] <ubotu> libapache2-mod-scgi: (Apache module implementing the SCGI protocol.), section universe/web, is optional. Version: 1.2-1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 11 kB, Installed size: 84 kB
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[12:01] <lamont> I can't kill things from the archive once they're there
[12:02] <lamont> infinity: you around?
[12:02] <ogra> Mez, konversation is up
[12:03] <Mez> ty
[12:04] <hughsie> ogra: email sent to maintainers of libnotify
[12:04] <Burgundavia> ogra, I promised the inkscape developers that I would try and get .42 in Breezy, if I had to use my last dying breath, so I have to try. The majority of the inkscape devs use Ubuntu as well
[12:04] <ogra> hughsie, wow, thanks :)
[12:05] <ogra> \sh, to late :p
[12:05] <\sh> ogra: i said yesterday ;)
[12:05] <Mez> lol @ ogra's changelog
[12:05] <ogra> its over :)
[12:05] <Mez> * bumped cdbs build-dep back to 0.4.21 to make backports happy
[12:05] <Mez> the "dont ask me again for KDE packages, how can a IRC client
[12:05] <Mez> be 7MB big ?" release
[12:06] <\sh> ogra: i heard you and I will work on xorg today to give daniels some rest? ;)
[12:06] <ogra> hehe
[12:07] <\sh> spreading rumours...I had to close all private chat windows here because of your firefox sentence ,-)
[12:07] <hughsie> ogra: http://www.interplace.com/gif/mrjihad.jpg
[12:08] <hughsie> i just wet myself :-)
[12:08] <ogra> heh
[12:11] <\sh> ogra: and I thought daniels writes poetry in his changelogs ;)
[12:12] <ogra> :) i try to keep up with him :)
[12:12] <ajmitch> \sh: you'll have to start spicing up your changelo entries now that they'll be for main :)
[12:13] <\sh> ajmitch: no problem...I will learn some new words from JaneW, afrikaans that is ;)
[12:13] <ajmitch> hehe
[12:23] <pitti> good night
[12:25] <Nafallo> infinity: rock php5!
[12:36] <hughsie> pitti, ogra: I've got to sleep now as I'm working tmw. If either of you two see daniels can you ask him about the dbus thing please.
[12:36] <Mez> Backports announced: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=273253
[12:36] <ogra> hughsie, sure, i'll do... have a nice night...
[12:37] <hughsie> ogra: cool, thanks. See you guys tomorrow.
[12:37] <ogra> yep, thanks for all the effort, night
[12:39] <Mez> was that to me ogra?
[12:39] <Mez> hmm, wow... It's even updated my xcaht vesion - we didnt backport that again
[12:39] <ogra> Mez, nope, to hughsie
[12:39] <Mez> ah
[12:39] <Mez> :D
[12:39] <Mez> w00t for official backports
[12:39] <Mez> hehe :D
[12:40] <Mez> ogra, can you link this topic in #ubuntu's topic
[12:40] <Mez> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=273253#post273253
[12:40] <Mez> wait
[12:40] <Mez> I'll tinyurl it
[12:41] <Mez> http://tinyurl.com/8f93v
[12:41] <Mez> just add something regarding backports :D and point to that
[12:41] <ogra> Mez, can you ask Amaranth or crimsun ? i'm about to go to bed
[12:41] <Mez> ah kk
[12:41] <Mez> if they're awake
[12:41] <crimsun> (reading backscroll)
[12:41] <ogra> Mez, there are more admins...
[12:42] <Mez> kik
[12:42] <Mez> crimsun, can you di it ?
[12:42] <crimsun> sure, sec.
[12:42] <Mez> ty
[12:48] <|rockinnerd|> Hello, all. I am trying to do what is described here: http://componentizedlinux.org/Members/ghe_rivero/howtos_for_dummies/howto_dummies_part_1 with a hoary base from archive.ubuntu.com/hoary. do you consider this a good idea to figure out how ubuntu and other debian-based systems work "under the hood"?
[12:48] <Burgundavia> |rockinnerd|, progeny is not a normal linux distro. They are doing wierd and cool things
[12:49] <|rockinnerd|> I'm basically doing what they say, but instead of using sid, i'm using hoary
[12:49] <Burgundavia> you may break your distro, so don;t do that on your main box
[12:49] <|rockinnerd|> ... and trying to figure out how anaconda works
[12:50] <|rockinnerd|> Burgundavia, i'm working in a chroot environment, can i still break it?
[12:50] <Burgundavia> no idea
[12:51] <\mbp> |rockinnerd|: less likely, but still possible
[12:51] <\mbp> depending on how much experience you have with such things
[12:51] <\mbp> s///much less likely
[12:51] <|rockinnerd|> Also, here's an idea: How about a Ubuntu Net installer? It can just debootstrap the base system (no x11) from the cd, and then launch Aptitude to allow people to configure exactly what is on their distro
[12:52] <|rockinnerd|> thx Burgundavia and \mbp
[12:52] <Mez> |rockinnerd|, I broke my comp with a chroot
[12:52] <Mez> I linked /tmp into it so I could use X
[12:52] <Mez> and managed to wipe it when I logged out of the pbuild!
[12:53] <|rockinnerd|> huh.
[12:55] <|rockinnerd|> btw does the archive.ubuntu.com/hoary have _all_ of the packages that are available to ubuntu, or just the bare minimum?
[12:56] <crimsun> (that's more a #ubuntu question, but archive has the _official_ ones)
[12:56] <|rockinnerd|> shit, it's trying to install over my base system
[12:56] <Keybuk> sabdfl's alarm just went off for the TB meeting
[12:57] <Keybuk> explains why he's always late ... :o)
[12:57] <Burgundavia> rofl
[12:57] <luis_> he using evo? ;)
[12:57] <tseng> oh right, tuesday
[12:57] <Mez> lol @ Keybuk
[12:58] <Keybuk> luis_: his strange phone contraption
[12:58] <luis_> ah
[01:13] <schweeb> daniels: hah, nice changelog on xauth
[01:25] <Mez> no CD does
[01:25] <Mez> cept AOL
[01:26] <TerminX> ugh, I upgraded today and now gedit won't work with files on mounted SMB shares
[01:27] <Aegir> Hmm, interesting effect when the ink doesnt completly dry on the CD when you put it in the drive...
[01:27] <Aegir> Atleast the ink's dry now...
[01:27] <Aegir> BRB...
[01:32] <Mez> lol @ Aegir
[01:39] <jp> hi all
[02:15] <Burgundavia> mdz, got another request for you. Sync screem from unstable. The current version (which is the same one in hoary) is very unstable and hangs frequently
[02:16] <mdz> Burgundavia: send email to [email protected], CC me, with rationale and subject [sync] <package>_<version>
[02:16] <Mez> Burgundavia, poke elmo for that :D
[02:16] <Mez> lol
[02:16] <Burgundavia> mdz, cheers, ok
[02:16] <Mez> or not
[02:16] <Mez> lol
[02:16] <Burgundavia> mdz, the inkscape is coming as well
[02:16] <mdz> Burgundavia: likewise for the other one
[02:17] <mdz> Burgundavia: a strong rationale will include "I built and tested it on breezy and it fixes the issues with the current version"
[02:17] <tseng> mdz: im guessing you are too swamped to fix up mythtv?
[02:17] <Burgundavia> ok
[02:18] <mdz> tseng: you would not believe me if I told you
[02:19] <tseng> mdz: :/
[02:19] <robertj> is dual-head autoconfig a goal for breezy/
[02:19] <tseng> mdz: i can only imagine.
[02:20] <tseng> mdz: ill see if i can make it go anywhere now that X is only slightly below unusable
[02:21] <mdz> tseng: when I came home from travelling last week my house was full of water from a burst pipe
[02:21] <tseng> oh man. were you in the hurricane area?
[02:21] <mdz> no
[02:21] <mdz> just bad plumbing and bad luck
[02:24] <tseng> sorry to hear that.
[02:50] <tseng> mdz: hm if breezy doesnt stab you in the back, it will get you in the front. mythtv died on X before, now its not a fan of GCC4
[02:57] <mdz> tseng: I thought I had already changed it to build with g++-3.4
[02:57] <mdz> it may be that the packages in my repository are newer than breezy
[02:57] <tseng> mdz: hm didnt look at it super close. but it dies on some scary compiler warnings
[02:58] <tseng> sh is the motu expert on those
[02:58] <tseng> he likes to beat his head against them for hours on end
[02:59] <mdz> perhaps he would like to take over maintainership of them ;-)
[02:59] <daniels> he can take my gcc4 bugs
[02:59] <bddebian> heh
[02:59] <tseng> mdz: id take myth if the damn thing would build
[02:59] <daniels> like the miscompilation of i810_drv (seemingly) that occasionally makes your video BIOS execute invalid code, but only on the first VBE run (so you have to reboot all the time to test), and not always
[02:59] <bddebian> Is mythtv in main?
[02:59] <tseng> of course not
[03:00] <bddebian> I didn't think so, I was just thrown off by -devel I guess..
[03:00] <bddebian> Sheesh
[03:00] <tseng> we can talk about !main here w/o being stoned still :)
[03:01] <daniels> holy shit
[03:01] <daniels> so my panel has been working fine for weeks
[03:01] <daniels> seb closes the bug last night
[03:01] <daniels> 14381 daniels 25 0 135m 37m 9768 R 66.3 3.7 1:20.59 gnome-panel
[03:01] <tseng> holy hell
[03:01] <tseng> thats bigger than beagle
[03:02] <bddebian> tseng: Where are you pulling mythtv from to build?
[03:02] <daniels> tseng: my record is 2GB RSS
[03:02] <tseng> bddebian: archive.debian.org
[03:02] <tseng> bddebian: er, .ubuntu
[03:02] <bddebian> Ohh
[03:02] <bddebian> Just apt-get source?
[03:02] <tseng> yes.
[03:06] <daniels> bloody hell
[03:07] <bddebian> I thought hell was hot, not bloody?
[03:07] <bddebian> Heya tritium
[03:07] <tritium> hello bddebian, daniels
[03:09] <daniels> tritium: morning
[04:38] <WebWiz> is there a definition of 'a little less broken' :)
[04:40] <bddebian> Uhm < 'completely broken' ?
[04:41] <lu|away> I booted a liveCD with the current X packages this afternoon.
[04:41] <lu|away> it had some weirdness in driver detection
[04:41] <lu|away> oh, and xrdb was missing
[04:41] <lu|away> but otherwise, worked fine
[04:42] <WebWiz> lu|away, wonderfull thanks
[04:43] <lu|away> your mileage may vary :)
[04:43] <WebWiz> i got a mkfontdir binary yesterday so i could get X working
[04:43] <WebWiz> but now Breezy has its own mkfontdir right?
[04:44] <WebWiz> i think the keyboard is still messed with breezy, i hit alt-tab and nothing happens lol
[04:47] <daniels> works for me
[04:50] <bddebian> Is xmkmf missing/broken from something?
[04:50] <daniels> missing
[04:50] <bddebian> OK, thx
[04:52] <bddebian> daniels: Did that get split from xutils in xorg?
[04:53] <daniels> bddebian: it will, yeah
[04:53] <daniels> in the meantime, it just doesn't exist
[04:53] <bddebian> OK
[05:10] <Speedy2> A quick question -- it seems that oddly libgcj4-dev depends on gcj3.3 instead of gcj4.0 . Is this a bug?
[05:27] <madclicker_> looking for 2.6.11 installer
[05:27] <Speedy2> Also, according to this: http://archives.free.net.ph/message/20050701.004404.f6514e25.en.html , eclipse is in the repos, but I can't seem to find it
[05:28] <bddebian> There are a few eclipse packages
[05:29] <Speedy2> bddebian: In which repo? I have universe/multiverse/backports enabled, but I can only seem to find eclipse-nls-sdk
[05:30] <bddebian> I don't know for sure but a quick "apt-cache dump |grep eclipse" yeilds several
[05:30] <Speedy2> This is what I get
[05:30] <Speedy2> apt-cache dump | grep eclipse
[05:30] <Speedy2> Package: eclipse-nls-sdk
[05:30] <Speedy2> Depends: eclipse-platform 2.1.2
[05:30] <Speedy2> Package: eclipse-platform
[05:31] <bddebian> Speedy2: Have you done an update recently?
[05:31] <Speedy2> bddebian: Just a few seconds ago
[05:31] <bddebian> Weird. What archive are you using? Just archive.ubuntu.com?
[05:32] <Speedy2> That's the first one in the sources.list
[05:32] <bddebian> I mean, not uk.archive... or us.archive.. ?
[05:32] <Speedy2> Correct, no country archive specified
[05:34] <bddebian> Speedy2: Strange. I don't know, sorry
[05:34] <bddebian> wb crimsun
[05:35] <crimsun> danke bddebian
[05:36] <mdz> Speedy2: it's in breezy/universe
[05:37] <Speedy2> mdz: I'm using Hoary. I assume it wouldn't be a good idea to install from breezy, eh?
[05:37] <mdz> Speedy2: depends entirely on your comfort
[05:37] <bddebian> Ooohh, Hoary, duh.
[05:42] <Speedy2> mdz: Is the Eclipse in Breezy compiled with gcj ? (how complex is that really?)
[05:42] <mdz> Speedy2: yes it is
[05:43] <Speedy2> Well, I'll give it ago, what the hell!
[05:44] <fabbione> morning
[05:45] <bddebian> Hello fabbione
[05:46] <Speedy2> bddebian: I added breezy universe, which other repositories would I need to satisfy eclipse-platform's dependencies?
[05:47] <bddebian> Speedy2: You are adding breezy universe to a Hoary install?
[05:47] <Amaranth> Speedy2: main, multiverse, and restricted
[05:47] <Speedy2> Amaranth: Thank you
[05:47] <Speedy2> bddebian: For eclipse. I'll watch what it installs
[05:47] <Amaranth> Speedy2: I hope you don't like X.
[05:48] <Speedy2> Amaranth: eclipse-platform requires libs that bork breezy?
[05:48] <Amaranth> Speedy2: I just told you to fully upgrade to breezy and you didn't even notice. I think you should wait.
[06:11] <bddebian> How can I tell what repo apt is getting a package from ?
[06:11] <bddebian> Without installing that is :-)
[06:12] <crimsun> apt-cache policy $package
[06:12] <bddebian> Thx crimsun
[06:12] <crimsun> np
[06:28] <lamont> infinity: you around?
[07:34] <Speedy2> A program I'm compiling is failing, missing "ansidecl.h" -- what set of headers would that be in? I haven't found it
[07:37] <bob2> what are you compiling?
[07:37] <bob2> that doesn't appear to be in ubunt
[07:37] <Speedy2> bob2: I'm cross-compiing GCC for an ARM target
[07:38] <bob2> that sounds like something from the gcc source
[07:38] <Speedy2> It fails with: "ake[1] : *** No rule to make target `../include/ansidecl.h', needed by `regex.o'. Stop."
[07:38] <bob2> you're using toolchain-source?
[07:38] <Speedy2> bob2: Correct
[07:39] <jasoncohen> when can i expect a patched mozilla thunderbird package for hoary? It's been nearly two weeks.
[07:40] <jasoncohen> and will it have it's security updates backported- or will the upstream version be packged?
[07:40] <jasoncohen> *packaged
[07:42] <jsgotangco> jasoncohen, its always security update backported
[07:44] <bob2> except firfox
[07:44] <bob2> which is now 1.0.6 in hoary-sec
[07:45] <jsgotangco> bob2, the latest update is a new package you mean?
[07:45] <jasoncohen> bob2, that's what i expected. any idea what's holding back the thunderbird backport?
[07:46] <jasoncohen> *thunderbird security fix backport from 1.0.5
[07:46] <jasoncohen> i think the same issues might occur with thunderbird though since 1.0.5 made API changes requiring 1.0.6 to fix extensions
[07:46] <bob2> jsgotangco: no, the latest update is just 1.0.6
[07:47] <jasoncohen> well, backports has now officially transitioned to ubuntu servers. the package naming changed as well
[07:48] <jasoncohen> quit nice- fast download speeds + the packages are signed
[07:50] <Speedy2> bob2: I think I got it -- I had to create a build directory seperate to where gcc4.0 was extracted
[07:52] <jasoncohen> ah, cool and now backports has source
[07:53] <bob2> yay for not violating the gpl!
[08:08] <pitti> Morning
[08:09] <daniels> 2/win 122
[08:40] <fabbione> elmo: can you please install:
[08:40] <fabbione> dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: kernel-wedge (>= 2.05ubuntu2) linux-headers-2.6.12-4-amd64-generic linux-headers-2.6.12-4-amd64-k8 linux-headers-2.6.12-4-amd64-k8-smp linux-headers-2.6.12-4-amd64-xeon libxxf86vm-dev
[08:41] <fabbione> on concordia breezy chroot
[08:41] <daniels> dooooomed
[08:59] <daniels> tseng: package ifolder kthx
[09:00] <daniels> argh, I suck
[09:01] <daniels> so I was working on xauth while very tired
[09:01] <daniels> and the code had #ifdef SIGALRM all through it
[09:01] <daniels> so I put in autoconf checks to see if SIG{HUP,PIPE,ALRM} were defined
[09:01] <daniels> if so, AC_DEFINE(SIGALRM, 1, [Has SIGALRM] )
[09:01] <daniels> the upshot of this is that xauth sees the signal numbers for ALRM, HUP and PIPE to be 1
[09:02] <daniels> and that I didn't need to put those checks in at all
[09:02] <daniels> headdesk
[09:04] <sivang> morning all
[09:06] <sivang> morning pitti
[09:09] <pitti> Hi sivang
[09:13] <sivang> pitti: how are you?
[09:14] <pitti> sivang: very secure :-)
[09:14] <mvo> hehe
[09:14] <mvo> good morning btw :)
[09:14] <pitti> Hey mvo
[09:15] <mvo> hello pitti, thanks for cleaning up after me for vim
[09:15] <sivang> mvo: you created security holes that pitti cleared? :)
[09:15] <pitti> no, just an obsolete patch
[09:16] <sivang> pitti: ah, cleaning obsolete patches is probably always good
[09:16] <pitti> mvo: bad that the build doesn't fail because of that in the first place
[09:16] <mvo> pitti: *nod*
[09:19] <sivang> daniels: what's SIGALRM means?
[09:20] <Treenaks> sivang: it's the signal that gets sent by alarm(2), for example
[09:24] <sivang> daniels: what use does xauth do with SIGALRMs ?
[09:40] <pitti> fabbione: is it legitime for a postinst/postrm to fiddle with /etc/modules?
[09:40] <pitti> fabbione: i. e. add or remove something to/from it?
[09:45] <fabbione> pitti: /etc/modules is a config file.. you treat it as any other config file
[09:52] <infinity> lamont : Ugh, been sick all day and out of it. Sorry. Did you need me? :/
[09:54] <comadreja> fabbione: kismet and wpasupplicant stopped working with -4 kernel
[09:55] <comadreja> fabbione : I have a ipw2200
[09:55] <fabbione> comadreja: read the changelog
[09:55] <fabbione> it's not a bug
[09:55] <fabbione> it's on purpose
[09:55] <comadreja> oh, thanks
[09:56] <fabbione> either a working stable driver with less features
[09:56] <fabbione> or a broken ipw2100 and unstable ipw2200
[09:56] <fabbione> what would you choose?
[09:56] <fabbione> :)
[09:57] <comadreja> I've got a ipw2200 ... hehe the unstable 2200 :D
[09:57] <comadreja> I need wpasupplicant
[09:58] <fabbione> it might come back in the next kernel if i get enough people to test the ipw2100
[09:58] <fabbione> in the mean while stable > *
[09:59] <comadreja> that's ok, I'll keep -3 meanwhile, no problem
[09:59] <Treenaks> which version of ipw2200/ieee80211 was in -3?
[10:00] <comadreja> how do I know ?
[10:00] <comadreja> I'm running it now
[10:00] <Treenaks> comadreja: check dmesg output? maybe it tells you?
[10:00] <Treenaks> (I removed the old one, so I don't have the changelog?)
[10:01] <fabbione> Treenaks: check the changelog
[10:01] <fabbione> it's all documented there
[10:01] <fabbione> i don't write KB of changelogs for nothing
[10:01] <fabbione> iirc -3 had 1.0.4
[10:02] <comadreja> 1.0.4 yes
[10:04] <comadreja> latest is 1.0.6
[10:07] <Treenaks> fabbione: the changelog for -3 is also in -4?
[10:08] <comadreja> just below
[10:09] <Treenaks> a
[10:09] <Treenaks> ah
[10:35] <pronik> can anybody help me to workaround xorg bugs?
[10:35] <Treenaks> pronik: promise more beer to daniels, and they'll be fixed ;)
[10:35] <Burgundavia> daniels is also working on an email to get everybody up and going
[10:35] <Burgundavia> so the best answer is to have patience
[10:36] <pronik> Treenaks: I can promise, but he's too far away I guess
[10:36] <pronik> But does "Error loading new keyboard description" mean what I think it means - he can't find or parse keyboard definitions?
[10:38] <pronik> I've also lost all terminal colors - both rxvt and xterm complain "can't get colour 'Black', continuing without"
[10:39] <pronik> Burgundavia: where will this e-mail get posted to?
[10:40] <Burgundavia> pronik, probably ubuntu-users
[10:44] <fabbione> Treenaks: tsk!
[10:44] <fabbione> :P
[10:44] <fabbione> of course.. the changelog is always there for historical reasons
[10:44] <fabbione> exactly because of what you are trying to do
[10:45] <fabbione> Treenaks: if it is not detailed enough.. let me know
[10:45] <Treenaks> fabbione: no, I'm stupid, sorry :)
[10:46] <Treenaks> fabbione: I need to read first, ask questions later :)
[10:46] <fabbione> Treenaks: ok thanks.. you took away from me the worst task of making you aware of that :P
[10:51] <\sh> hmm
[10:52] <\sh> I think I have to work from the debian version...
[11:09] <\sh> why is ostingGeek [[email protected]]
[11:09] <\sh> banned?
[11:10] <azeem> did you ever meet him?
[11:10] <Burgundavia> \sh, trust me, it is for a good reason
[11:10] <ogra> \sh, because he is _most_ annoying
[11:11] <\sh> ogra: k...only wanted to know :)
[11:11] <Burgundavia> \sh, he has been banned from one other channel I follow (#openttd) and they are thinking about it doing it on another (#inkscape)
[11:11] <ogra> \sh, we kept him in -moto as a channelpet ;)
[11:11] <ogra> \sh, ... and because i never giveup hope on people :)
[11:12] <Burgundavia> seb128, I swear this totem-video-thumbnailer bug was fixed, but I cannot find the upstream bug report --> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12991
[11:12] <\sh> ogra: u r a good guy :)
[11:12] <seb128> what bug?
[11:12] <seb128> oh, that
[11:12] <ogra> \sh, sometimes i think i'm rather a silly guy... especially in case of HG :)
[11:13] <seb128> - don't thumbnail files constantly if they're changing (Ubuntu: #1573).
[11:13] <seb128> from 2.11.1 change
[11:13] <\sh> ogra: believe me...if you'd received my phone call this morning, concerning the funeral of my grandma...u won't think like this anymore
[11:15] <Burgundavia> seb128, thanks
[11:20] <mdke> tseng, around?
[11:22] <seb128> I've closed the bug
[11:22] <Burgundavia> yes
[11:23] <sivang> ogra: dhlobach is like you , not giving up on people :)
[11:30] <ajmitch> evening all
[11:33] <hughsie> pitti, ogra: ping?
[11:33] <pitti> Hi hughsie
[11:34] <hughsie> pitti, hi.
[11:34] <hughsie> pitti, I've got the libnotify maintainer to release libnotify tomorrow as 0.0.1
[11:34] <hughsie> is that too late for freeze?
[11:35] <pitti> hughsie: what do you need it for?
[11:35] <ogra> hughsie, i dont think so, since seb128 wanted to package it anyway
[11:35] <hughsie> well, don't /need/ it per-se, but gnome-power-manager picks it up if it's insalled and looks a whole lot nicer
[11:35] <seb128> pitti: gnome-applets can use it too
[11:35] <ogra> pitti, it shows notification messages from the system tray...
[11:36] <pitti> ograI know, it sounds interesting
[11:36] <ogra> hi hughsie btw :)
[11:36] <hughsie> ogra: hi :-)
[11:36] <hughsie> did either of you guys speak to daniels?
[11:36] <seb128> pitti: we want it anyway, so not a big deal to upload it and give it a shot
[11:37] <pitti> seb128: sure, merely adding a library can't break much
[11:37] <hughsie> pitti, famos last words... :-)
[11:37] <hughsie> ogra: what is is you guys do to hal-device-manager anyway?
[11:38] <seb128> pitti: oh, and upstream has delayed eggcups to 2.14 for the desktop ... we are free to use it, but not forced.
[11:38] <ogra> hughsie, device manage only has a sall change (a button to run hwdb-client)the worse stuff are the changes to hald it needs :)
[11:39] <hughsie> ogra: i guess. it's a bit fedora in places
[11:39] <ogra> hughsie, i have one that could go upstream as soon as i can myke it apply (lsb release data in the computer device)
[11:39] <hughsie> ogra: you sure davidz wouldn;t accept upstream patches
[11:39] <hughsie> oga: ignore :-)
[11:39] <ogra> hughsie, not all of them.-...
[11:40] <ogra> hughsie, my dmidecode patch is ugly, i wouldt want it upstrema, i only need the data for hwdb...
[11:40] <Burgundavia> I need an ftp that needs login to test a bug, anybody got one that I can test?
[11:40] <hughsie> ogra: gotcha. spoken to daniels?
[11:40] <ogra> hughsie, the /proc/cpuinfo and /proc/meminfo patches might clash with your acpi patches, havent tried them yet
[11:41] <hughsie> ogra: should be okay... but davidz might not like all the extra nodes
[11:41] <ogra> hughsie, nope, he was already away when i started my day...
[11:41] <hughsie> bolocks
[11:41] <ogra> hughsie, i'll try to merge devices in hal... else we'd have two processors in there...
[11:42] <hughsie> ogra: sounds good :-)
[11:42] <ogra> hughsie, since you have the acpi processor data and i have the /proc/cpuinfo data :)
[11:42] <hughsie> ogra: post it upstream and see what davidz says
[11:43] <ogra> hughsie, yes, but first they need to apply again ;) its all written for 0.4.7
[11:43] <hughsie> 0.4.7, ouch
[11:43] <ogra> and i have to get them in before 11th
[11:44] <hughsie> 0.4.7 is very different to 0.5.3
[11:44] <pitti> mozilla
[11:44] <hughsie> you've the whole linux -> linux2 restructuring
[11:44] <ogra> yes, but i wrote them all as separate files so its mostly only copying them to linux2 and make the matching changes to osspec.c
[11:45] <hughsie> ogra: okay, not the end of the world then.
[11:45] <ogra> nope, just eats time *sigh*
[11:46] <hughsie> ogra: could you try to package CVS g-p-m on ubuntu? See what your patches clash with.
[11:46] <ogra> hughsie, arent the g-p-m patches already upstream ?
[11:46] <ogra> (the hal side )
[11:46] <hughsie> ogra: the help file and stuff, yes
[11:47] <ogra> so mine shouldnt clash ...
[11:47] <hughsie> ogra: ohh, you mean the events support or the battery.* devices?
[11:48] <ogra> hughsie, nope i mean the processor device you create in hal.... from the /proc/acpi data... i create a processor device too but from /proc/cpuinfo
[11:48] <hughsie> that was in 0.5.2 i beleieve
[11:48] <ogra> yes, thats where i'm porting them to
[11:49] <hughsie> couldn't your patch just add into acpi.c into the processor_refresh lump?
[11:49] <ogra> what if a system has no acpi support ? will your processor device in hal exist ?
[11:49] <hughsie> no.
[11:49] <ogra> so mine have to override this...
[11:50] <ogra> since /proc/cpuinfo will always be there
[11:50] <hughsie> yes, but you can still try to search for the node based on capability or something
[11:50] <hughsie> you could add if found, create and add if not found
[11:50] <ogra> something like that...
[11:51] <tseng> daniels: dude, ifolder is like 4 packages
[11:51] <ogra> ifolder is crack
[11:51] <ogra> (but daniels loves crack, we all know this :) )
[11:52] <hughsie> I need daniels to look at dbus 0.35 for me
[11:52] <ogra> hughsie, he sits in .au ....
[11:52] <hughsie> ogra: I know, but he should be using GMT :-)
[11:53] <ogra> hughsie, naah, we all live with UTC here ;)
[11:53] <hughsie> ogra: okay, but my g/f idn't going to like it :-)
[11:53] <ogra> hehe
[11:54] <ogra> as long as you convert hr too everything is fine :)
[11:54] <hughsie> ogra: I'll let you tell her that. I have to shower and get to work. Catch you guys later
[11:54] <ogra> its just that you loose all your other friends... but you win a wonderful community on IRC ;)
[11:54] <hughsie> lol
[11:55] <ogra> hughsie, i'll poke daniels about dbus 0.35 if he's around
[11:55] <ogra> meh
[11:59] <\sh> damn...all the merges are loosing the cxx trans stuff
[12:00] <ajmitch> \sh: they shouldn't if done right
[12:00] <ajmitch> got an example?
[12:00] <\sh> ajmitch: well...if everything works fine, no dropped patches yes..
[12:01] <ajmitch> \sh: whoever does the merges has to watch for dropped patches..
[12:02] <\sh> ajmitch: yes :)
[12:02] <ajmitch> or whoever reviews the prospective MOTUs work ;)
[12:02] <\sh> ajmitch: what I'm doing here? ,-)
[12:03] <ajmitch> hey I have been helping a little :)
[12:05] <jsgotangco> bye guys i have a dinner appointment :)
[12:05] <jsgotangco> see you guys later
[12:05] <ogra> have fun
[12:05] <ajmitch> bye
[12:50] <maswan> fabbione: we now have the rsc configured, so we should be able to reboot buttercup more quickly. :)
[12:50] <maswan> fabbione: also, do you know if the watchdog support would be worth enabling, or will linux go nuts about it?
[12:51] <fabbione> maswan: yo..
[12:51] <fabbione> maswan: nice.. i think the watchdog support works fine
[12:51] <fabbione> it's worth a try
[12:52] <fabbione> maswan: Trave11er reported the 2.6.12 from ubuntu boots
[12:52] <fabbione> so it might even be worth upgrading
[12:52] <fabbione> but i don't feel comfortable in rebooting it without console :)
[12:56] <sivang> fabbione: have you gotten successful reports about installing breezy (2.6.12) on a pSeries machine yet?
[12:59] <fabbione> sivang: yes one.. i think
[12:59] <fabbione> there was one bug that has been fixed.. so i guess it should all work by now
[12:59] <ogra> mvo, complain at \sh, its all his fault ;)
[12:59] <sivang> fabbione: oh goody. Was it fixed upstream?
[12:59] <fabbione> sivang: it was a problem with the installer
[12:59] <fabbione> the kernel should be ok
[01:00] <fabbione> sivang: just test it and report..
[01:00] <fabbione> you have such a machine.. i don't
[01:00] <sivang> fabbione: ok, should I grab a new daily installer image?
[01:00] <fabbione> yes
[01:00] <sivang> fabbione: /me is on to it. Thanks
[01:00] <mvo> ogra: I will if he is around. I'm connected with isdn right now because the cable modem does no longer get a connection
[01:00] <ogra> mvo, \sh just came back.... ;)
[01:01] <sivang> fabbione: btw, where can I which bug was fixed? where are the changlogs for such a thing?
[01:01] <\sh> lol
[01:01] <\sh> mvo: u r 1511?
[01:01] <ogra> \sh, DO
[01:01] <ogra> :)
[01:01] <\sh> yay...nobody from HSI support
[01:01] <\sh> ogra: yes...1511 ;)
[01:02] <maswan> fabbione: Well, I'm on campus now. :)
[01:03] <fabbione> maswan: when are you going back to the campus again?
[01:03] <fabbione> i am sort of busy today to play with buttercup
[01:03] <fabbione> (it's building since you bring it up again yesterday ;))
[01:05] <maswan> fabbione: Well, I should be working this and next week, so
[01:06] <maswan> fabbione: after that I'll be further away from connectivity
[01:06] <fabbione> maswan: perfect! i will ping you tomorrow if you don't mind too much
[01:06] <fabbione> yeah next week i will start VAC :)
[01:09] <baggins> Hi there. I'm interested in writing/helping write a X.org configuration tool.
[01:10] <maswan> fabbione: sure
[01:11] <fabbione> maswan: thanks a lot
[01:14] <carstenh> azeem: i just read your comment on the firewall gui (using /lastlog firewall). sounds good, i will think about pros and cons of that idea. thanks.
[01:15] <ogra> Kamion, ping
[01:15] <carstenh> azeem: but i guess we will not change our plans about that. we will see :)
[01:19] <Kamion> ogra: pong
[01:19] <Kamion> minor details like assigning gcc to doko
[01:19] <ogra> Kamion, have a look at http://vljubovic.members.epn.ba/ldseed.txt, does that look ok for you ?
[01:20] <doko> heh, I did clean up the gcc reports two days before :-/
[01:20] <ogra> Kamion, its for the Lightweight Desktop bounty
[01:21] <Kamion> ogra: I don't understand why there's an "ubuntulite-icewm" that "includes icewm, icepref and rox-filer"
[01:21] <ogra> oh, yes.. i overlooked that... vedran ?
[01:22] <vedran> it also does some configuration
[01:22] <ogra> vedran, could you split that into the single packages ?
[01:22] <vedran> well just use regular packages :) but ubuntulite-icewm configure icewm to use rox-filer as desktop
[01:22] <Kamion> ogra: console-tools and usbutils are both in minimal and shouldn't be in the lightweight-desktop seed too
[01:22] <ogra> vedran, ^^^^
[01:22] <vedran> ok i'm logging ;)
[01:23] <Kamion> presumably this seed would depend on standard
[01:23] <ogra> yes
[01:23] <Kamion> otherwise it doesn't seem too bad
[01:23] <Kamion> I haven't run germinate over it to work out the size
[01:23] <Kamion> perhaps somebody else could do that; more people need to get used to using germinate
[01:24] <Kamion> you'll need to grab the breezy seeds, drop this new seed into them, edit STRUCTURE accordingly, and use germinate's -S switch to point it at your local seeds
[01:24] <\sh> does anybody have problems mit libXrender.la on amd64?
[01:25] <vedran> Kamion: I can't do that until tommorow :(
[01:25] <ogra> vedran, that'd be enough...
[01:25] <ogra> vedran, we just have to have it done until your SoC time is over
[01:26] <ogra> which is aug. 11th ? if i'm not wrong... so plenty of time
[01:26] <Kamion> there's a germinate package in breezy which will be suitable for that
[01:26] <vedran> ogra: sep 11th afaik :)
[01:26] <ogra> oh
[01:26] <ogra> even better :) (i already felt in a rush)
[01:27] <vedran> Kamion: any idea how to properly solve the icewm/rox integration? (it's just one file in /etc)
[01:29] <Kamion> vedran: doesn't rox-filer register itself with the x-session-manager or x-window-manager alternatives (whichever's appropriate)?
[01:29] <Kamion> alternatives would be the usual way to solve this
[01:30] <ogra> it will require some small changes to the package if its not using the alternative system yet
[01:30] <ogra> (but it already should do it)
[01:30] <vedran> Kamion: i'm not sure that would do it, it needs to be added to icewm session
[01:31] <vedran> that is, icewm starts rox-filer as its desktop (the thing with icons)
[01:31] <vedran> its already done in xfce, i need to look how
[01:31] <Kamion> what does icewm do for its desktop in its default configuration?
[01:31] <Kamion> as packaged
[01:32] <vedran> nothing iirc
[01:32] <\sh> ogra: can u do me a favour? or are u extensivly busy? :)
[01:33] <ogra> \sh, the latter...
[01:33] <ogra> what would be the favor
[01:33] <ogra> ?
[01:33] <\sh> ogra: apt-get source grip
[01:33] <Kamion> vedran: does it have any kind of directory into which packages can drop session entries?
[01:33] <ogra> \sh, done
[01:33] <\sh> and check in your amd64 pbuilder if it builds..or if it throws a nice libXrender.la error...if yes, please put an autotools dance in the rules file in the configure target and rebuild it again
[01:34] <\sh> I don't want to use the buildds again for testing ,-)
[01:34] <\sh> in the meantime I'm trying to help mvo more
[01:34] <Kamion> vedran: also, let's say somebody (not using your configuration) was running icewm and installed rox-filer. Would they want it to set itself up as the icewm desktop?
[01:34] <ogra> \sh, pbuilder running
[01:35] <vedran> Kamion: thats the problem, i'd like people to say something like "apt-get icewm-roxfiler-desktop" and get all preconfigured
[01:35] <\sh> thx man...short away
[01:38] <vedran> Kamion: icewm session is just one script, not directory, and needs to be placed in /etc/skel
[01:39] <TWD> Is anyone working on the DialUp Support goal atm?
[01:39] <ogra> \sh, libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/lib/libXrender.la'
[01:41] <Kamion> vedran: (I'd be happier with a name like icewm-roxfiler-desktop than with ubuntulite-icewm, FWIW; it describes more clearly what it does, and it's more branding-friendly)
[01:42] <Kamion> vedran: /etc/skel??? gross
[01:42] <ogra> rather ugly :)
[01:42] <Kamion> vedran: please try to make that site-wide configuration instead
[01:42] <Kamion> see Debian policy 10.7.5 for rationale - /etc/skel is difficult to support correctly
[01:48] <vedran> Kamion: ok I've found a better way :) I'll make a fixed package tommorow
[01:49] <Kamion> cool, thanks
[01:52] <fabbione> doko: curl_7.14.0-2ubuntu1: successful
[01:53] <doko> heh, nice
[02:02] <\sh> ogra: can u put in the rules file a aclocal-1.x automake-1.x and autconf and libtoolize? I'm just curious..cause on all other archs it worked
[02:02] <ogra> \sh, later thi evening... i'm curretly very busy getting my hwdb patches into hal
[02:03] <\sh> ogra: np
[02:03] <\sh> ogra: actually I'm w8ing for Mithrandir to reactivate my account
[02:12] <Kamion> http://lwn.net/Articles/145024/#Comments <- "Ubuntu's parallel startup is the worst"
[02:13] <Treenaks> it is?
[02:13] <bob2> it has parallel startup?
[02:13] <Kamion> claiming that starting gdm early isn't really a win because there's so much else going on
[02:13] <Kamion> and that something that starts after gdm screws up X
[02:14] <tseng> well they should test it
[02:14] <Kamion> read the article - it's somebody saying that from experience
[02:14] <ogra> hmm, i have to try runlevel 3 ;) never booted into this *g*
[02:19] <infinity> 'tree' isn't in main?... My life may come to an end.
[02:20] <bob2> if only you had upload priveleges!
[02:20] <infinity> I do, but this is about seeds.
[02:21] <seb128> doko: around?
[02:21] <seb128> grrrrr
[02:21] <infinity> I guess it's time to write a MainInclusionReport for tree!
[02:21] <seb128> firefox (1.0.6-1ubuntu2) breezy; urgency=low
[02:21] <seb128> .
[02:21] <seb128> * Don't ship firefox-dev with firefox-nspr.pc and firefox-nss.pc.
[02:21] <seb128>
[02:21] <infinity> Cause, y'know, installing from universe makes me a sad panda.
[02:21] <doko> seb128: yes
[02:21] <seb128> that breaks epiphany-browser ... why this change?
[02:21] <seb128> it FTBFS now
[02:21] <doko> because the headers are not in the package
[02:21] <ogra> seb128, because we dont like epiphany :)
[02:21] <ogra> pitti, !!!
[02:21] <seb128> doko: ?
[02:21] <pitti> Hi
[02:22] <seb128> doko: please put that back so epiphany-browser can build
[02:22] <doko> there is no /usr/include/firefox/nspr directory in the package
[02:22] <doko> seb128: no, it makes OOo2 FTBFS
[02:22] <seb128> firefox-dev: /usr/include/mozilla-firefox/nspr/nspr.h
[02:23] <ogra> pitti, i reworked the lsb_release patch .... are you fine if i send it to you wit a patched Makefile.am and you do the automake patch again ?
[02:23] <seb128> includedir=/usr/include/mozilla-firefox
[02:23] <seb128> Cflags: -I${includedir}/nspr
[02:23] <seb128>
[02:23] <seb128> doko: that's before your upload ... what's wrong with that ?
[02:24] <doko> seb128: ehh, since when are these included? is libnspr.so there as well?
[02:24] <pitti> ogra: sure
[02:24] <ogra> pitti, indeed only in the end if all my patches re in again...
[02:24] <seb128> doko: for ages
[02:24] <ogra> pitti, i also sent it upstream... curious if david will accpt it :)
[02:24] <doko> seb128: definitely not ...
[02:24] <ogra> pitti, thanks :)
[02:24] <pitti> ogra: I doubt it, but let's hope :-)
[02:25] <seb128> doko: the package has not changed for months ...
[02:25] <ogra> pitti, come on, the lsb patch is non intrusive and its a nice feature for lsb based distros :)
[02:25] <seb128> doko: anyway this .pc is right, it points to existant .h files so please revert your change
[02:26] <pitti> ogra: you have to convince David, not me :-)
[02:27] <ogra> pitti, i know :)
[02:27] <ogra> pitti, i must admit i dont really care, i sent it to the ML... if he likes it, ok. if not i'm still fine :) i wont put time into discussing it with him :)
[02:28] <doko> seb128: the nss headers are still missing
[02:29] <doko> seb128: the .so links are missing. this is just wrong. keep the files out, fix epiphany-browser please
[02:29] <seb128> grrr
[02:29] <seb128> I'm going to change firefox myself
[02:29] <fabbione> elmo: ping?
[02:29] <seb128> I've enough to do with GNOME atm without getting that b0rked
[02:29] <doko> seb128: please don't. this IS WRONG!
[02:29] <elmo> fabbione: ?
[02:29] <crispin> doko: the firefox-xpcom .pc file depends on firefox-nspr ....
[02:30] <Treenaks> elmo: did you see my mail re: upload rights?
[02:30] <fabbione> elmo: did you install the B-D on concordia?
[02:30] <doko> seb128: that's not right way. reverting a fix, because you say you don't have time to fix your packages
[02:30] <elmo> fabbione: eh, what b-d?
[02:30] <elmo> Treenaks: yes, I haven't had a chance to look yet
[02:30] <fabbione> elmo: ok.. just a sec. i will grab the list again
[02:31] <fabbione> dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: kernel-wedge (>= 2.05ubuntu2) linux-headers-2.6.12-4-amd64-generic linux-headers-2.6.12-4-amd64-k8 linux-headers-2.6.12-4-amd64-k8-smp linux-headers-2.6.12-4-amd64-xeon libxxf86vm-dev
[02:31] <seb128> doko: this is not a fix, the browser are built with firefox and these files are needed
[02:31] <fabbione> elmo: these ones...
[02:31] <fabbione> concordia breezy chroot please :)
[02:31] <seb128> doko: is some .so are not listed by the package put them here, that's the fix
[02:32] <fabbione> elmo: it was probably lost in the scroll back.. nothing too important
[02:32] <seb128> doko: dropping files is not fixing anything, it's just running away and breaking other packages
[02:32] <doko> seb128: no, you have to use the things provided by libnspr-dev and libnss-dev.
[02:32] <seb128> I don't want to build with mozilla
[02:32] <doko> seb128: you do want to build with libnspr-dev and libnss-dev
[02:33] <seb128> no, that's mozilla
[02:33] <doko> seb128: it is
[02:33] <seb128> I don't even have these packages installed
[02:33] <doko> seb128: currently you _pretend_ to build with firefox
[02:33] <doko> so where do you get the nspr and nss libs from?
[02:33] <seb128> typo
[02:34] <seb128> anyway I don't want to build with /usr/lib/pkgconfig/mozilla-nspr.pc
[02:34] <seb128> but with /usr/lib/pkgconfig/firefox-nspr.pc
[02:34] <pitti> seb128: would it help if firefox produced libnspr instead of mozilla?
[02:34] <doko> pitti: yes, it would
[02:34] <seb128> pitti: sure
[02:34] <pitti> seb128: we need to do that anyway if we want to demote mozilla
[02:34] <seb128> which is correct fix
[02:34] <seb128> not what doko is doing
[02:35] <pitti> that would be a pretty severe deviation from Debian, but oh well...
[02:35] <seb128> that's the only way to move mozilla to universe anyway
[02:35] <doko> seb128: you use the mozilla libs and the firefox libs. THATS CRAP!
[02:35] <pitti> seb128: but still, I don't see the problem of build-depending on libnspr-dev, regardless of which source package produces it
[02:35] <seb128> doko: read again what I said
[02:35] <doko> seb128: typo: you use the mozilla libs and the firefox headers
[02:36] <seb128> doko: make firefox build these packages instead of dropping the .pc
[02:36] <pitti> btw, I don't know what doko is doing, I didn't follow that
[02:36] <seb128> pitti: it's dropping firefox-dev .pc files which breaks epiphany
[02:36] <seb128> s/it's/he's/
[02:36] <ogra> pitti, * Don't ship firefox-dev with firefox-nspr.pc and firefox-nss.pc.
[02:36] <ogra> last upload iirc
[02:36] <seb128> doko:
[02:36] <seb128> $ ldd /usr/bin/epiphany | grep firefox
[02:36] <seb128> libgtkembedmoz.so => /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/libgtkembedmoz.so (0xb7fb0000)
[02:36] <seb128> libxpcom.so => /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/libxpcom.so (0xb7eff000)
[02:36] <seb128> libplds4.so => /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/libplds4.so (0xb7efb000)
[02:36] <seb128> libplc4.so => /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/libplc4.so (0xb7ef6000)
[02:36] <pitti> doko: does libnspr4-dev have the .pc file?
[02:36] <seb128> libnspr4.so => /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/libnspr4.so (0xb7ec4000)
[02:37] <doko> pitti: the libnss.pc file is referencing /usr/include/firefox/nss, which is not there, and it references /usr/lib/libnss.so, which is not provided by this package
[02:37] <seb128> $ ldd /usr/bin/epiphany | grep mozilla | grep -v firefox
[02:37] <seb128> $
[02:37] <pitti> seb128: libnspr4.so => /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/libnspr4.so (0xb7ec4000 <- that's SOO wrong
[02:37] <doko> pitti: yes, but seb128 does not want to use it
[02:37] <seb128> pitti: why?
[02:38] <seb128> doko: where am I using mozilla libs?
[02:38] <pitti> seb128: libraries belong into /usr/lib, and once we change libnspr4-package, we expect that packages using it get the fix as well
[02:38] <pitti> seb128: otherwise we quietly duplicate libs, which is evil
[02:38] <doko> pitti, seb128: I'm forwarding you a mail I sent to the Debian mozilla and firefox maintainers. The best way would be to build the libs from it's own source and make the other packages use them
[02:39] <infinity> seb128 ; They're compatible libs anyway, or they bloody well better be if the SONAME is the same, so why do you care if you link to the public ones (from Mozillaa) or the private ones (from Firefox), except that the latter is JUST PLAIN SICK AND WRONG...?
[02:39] <pitti> doko: that's exactly what I had in mind, I just look whether this is possible
[02:40] <pitti> doko: seems easy, subdir nsprpub/ even has its own configure
[02:40] <seb128> infinity: building with firefox or mozilla doesn't give the same behaviour, I guess there is a difference somewhere
[02:40] <doko> pitti: yes, nss is the problem
[02:40] <pitti> seb128: that's a bug then
[02:40] <seb128> pitti: what? firefox and mozilla are different ...
[02:40] <pitti> seb128: right, but libnspr4 should behave the same
[02:40] <infinity> seb128 : The browsers are, but those libs shouldn't be..
[02:41] <elmo> fabbione: done
[02:41] <seb128> crispin: heeelp :)
[02:41] <seb128> crispin: what does change when you build with firefox or mozilla ?
[02:41] <crispin> lots and lots of things :-)
[02:41] <doko> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/nspr/releases/
[02:41] <Kamion> oh, hi crispin
[02:41] <doko> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/security/nss/releases/
[02:41] <crispin> hi Kamion
[02:41] <doko> pitti: ^^^
[02:41] <seb128> crispin: why if the libs are the same? :)
[02:41] <pitti> doko: yay
[02:41] <crispin> I don't know the details of the nspr changes, but certainly an epiphany built against ff won't work against mozilla libs
[02:42] <doko> I wanted to start these, but currently ENOTIME
[02:42] <pitti> crispin: it's not building against FF, it's building against the basic nspr lib
[02:42] <crispin> the nspr bits might be compatible between ff and mozilla, but there is no guarantee
[02:42] <pitti> crispin: if they aren't that would be abug
[02:43] <infinity> I could see that for xpcom and gtkemebdmoz
[02:43] <crispin> certainly the libgtkmozembed.so in ff and mozilla _are_ different
[02:43] <infinity> But nspr and nss should be identical.
[02:43] <pitti> crispin: for sure
[02:43] <doko> crispin: but we currently use firefox's nss headers. so we already are wrong
[02:43] <crispin> besides, the .pc files in the current ff package are screwed
[02:43] <seb128> what .pc? doko just droped them :p
[02:44] <crispin> firefox-gtkmozembed (which is what ephy uses) depends on firefox-xpcom, which depends on firefox-nspr (which isn't there)
[02:44] <doko> Kamion: you stay, or do you work some hours until you drive her back? ;-)
[02:45] <Kamion> stay there, but it shouldn't take that long; the dress has already been selected :)
[02:45] <fabbione> elmo: thanks
[02:45] <seb128> crispin: so what is to change?
[02:46] <crispin> seb128: hmm, well I suppose in theory if the firefox-dev package was made to depend on libnspr4-dev and the .pc files were fixed, that might work, but I doubt anyone has tried that
[02:46] <infinity> crispin : Right, and it should be ffox-gtkmozembed -> ffox-xpcom -> moz-nspr, as far as I can tell. nspr has no need ot be duplicated.
[02:46] <carlos> mjg59_, hi, around?
[02:47] <pitti> infinity: upgrading from warty's ffox is a mess, but I'm slowly making progress...
[02:47] <pitti> infinity: how's tbird?
[02:47] <crispin> infinity: yeah, that might work, but I wouldn't like to make any guarantees
[02:48] <rtcm> seb128: shouldn't gnome-smproxy be removed from /usr/share/gnome/default.session now that it is deprecated upstream? should i file a bug about it?
[02:48] <crispin> we (galeon/epiphany) have _a lot_ of trouble with ff / mozilla API changes
[02:48] <pitti> infinity: btw, in warty the new ffox breaks all the locale packs, could you please check that for tbird as well?
[02:48] <infinity> pitti : Oh, ouch, I hadn't thought of langpacks.
[02:48] <mjg59_> carlos: Hi
[02:48] <seb128> rtcm: good catch, please fill a bug, thanks
[02:48] <pitti> infinity: not the langpacks itself, mozilla-firefox-locale-* in my case
[02:49] <carlos> mjg59_, daf told me that perhaps you could help me a bit with a problem I have with my Lenovo X41 battery
[02:49] <pitti> carlos: btw, any ETA on the translation tarball? if I don't finish that by friday, seb128 eats me for breakfast
[02:50] <infinity> pitti : Are those not geenrated from the same sou-- Oh, no, they're not. Suck.
[02:50] <crispin> oh, and of course ff-dev should drop the nspr headers if it changes the pc files and dependancies :-)
[02:50] <mjg59_> carlos: I can try...
[02:50] <carlos> pitti, I was offline yesterday but I had it more or less working, got a problem and had to leave so I hope you will have it today (if the script finish on time, if it takes more time, tomorrow morning)
[02:51] <pitti> infinity: $ grep 'Package: mozilla-thunderbird-locale' /var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_main_binary-i386_Packages
[02:51] <pitti> [warty] martin@donald:~$
[02:51] <carlos> mjg59_, I got it last week and I'm not able to use it without the power plug for more than 1 hour and a half
[02:51] <pitti> infinity: lucky you
[02:51] <bob2> what's up with http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/ only having amd64 stuff?
[02:51] <carlos> mjg59_, and the laptop mode is on
[02:51] <Amaranth> bob2: openoffice2 deps
[02:51] <Amaranth> err, wait
[02:51] <infinity> pitti : They're in universe.
[02:52] <pitti> infinity: that's why I said "lucky you" :-)
[02:52] <Amaranth> language-support-en depends on something from openoffice but the openoffice2 package conflicts with that one
[02:52] <bob2> cdimage.ubuntu.com seems to have a bunch of issues
[02:52] <bob2> is that elmo or Kamion country?
[02:52] <doko> crispin: nss should be built from which source?
[02:52] <infinity> pitti : We have the green light to break universe packages willy-nilly with these updates?
[02:52] <Amaranth> bob2: That's main uploader country. :)
[02:52] <pitti> infinity: most of them were obsolete even with warty's tbird
[02:52] <bob2> Amaranth: ?
[02:52] <doko> Amaranth: the oo2 conflicts are resolved in m116
[02:53] <Amaranth> bob2: unbreak main and cdimages will pop out :)
[02:53] <infinity> pitti : Oh, so they are. Interesting.
[02:53] <Amaranth> doko: cool
[02:53] <pitti> infinity: so it should only be necessary to update about 5 packages for universe (would be cool if we did)
[02:53] <bob2> Amaranth: for hoary
[02:53] <infinity> pitti : We need to do britney runs or something to prevent releasing with obviously broken packages like that.
[02:53] <pitti> infinity: I didn't meet britney so far, is she nice?
[02:54] <pitti> infinity: luckily all mozilla-locale-* packages are in universe, too, so at least I didn't screw up that...
[02:54] <pitti> (for warty)
[02:54] <infinity> pitti : -de, -fr, and -nl are the only installable ones. The rest are broken anyway. So, I'll just be breaking the last 3. :/
[02:54] <pitti> infinity: oh, I only checked warty, not hoary
[02:55] <infinity> pitti : The hoary ones depend on versions between 1.0 and 1.1, so we're safe there.
[02:55] <mjg59_> carlos: Is this the big battery or the small one?
[02:55] <pitti> infinity: cool; I remember that I thought of that when I brought them in shape
[02:55] <crispin> doko: no idea, I don't know how the ff / mozilla code interacts with nss
[02:56] <infinity> pitti : britney, as in the "testing" script. Not that we should use "testing", it would completely break our workflow, but using britney occasionally to check for "Ooo, we have 800 completely uninstallable packages" might be nice.
[02:56] <mjg59_> carlos: And can you unplug it, then put the contents of the files in /proc/acpi/battery/* somewhere?
[02:56] <carlos> mjg59_, the small one
[02:56] <carlos> mjg59_, sure
[02:56] <pitti> infinity: would it be possible to run that with "imagine I would put these security uploads to warty-security"?
[02:57] <pitti> infinity: or is it just "see that you broke it"?
[02:57] <infinity> pitti : If you had a packages file for the proposed updates, sure.
[02:57] <Amaranth> (gedit:7085): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_file_system_path_is_local: assertion `path != NULL' failed :/
[02:57] <Amaranth> anyone know what that means?
[02:57] <infinity> pitti : Use your packages file as the input (sid), and the union of warty and warty-security as the target (testing), and let it go.
[03:08] <lamont> infinity: was more making sure you'd seen the /query and weren't going to mess with the chroots I was in... but they're back to normal now
[03:10] <doko> infinity, pitti: Kamion said, he was working on it
[03:12] <infinity> lamont : Ahh, yeah, I saw it. Also, ghc6 needs gcc-4.0 porting, which I never got around to doing. Did you hack on it at all?
[03:12] <lamont> infinity: about 2 seconds worth
[03:13] <lamont> see #ubuntu-motu scrollback for my bitching when I quit dealing with it about 7-8 hours ago
[03:13] <infinity> Heh. Did you get to the point where you have any patches to show for it, or would anyone else taking up the torch be better off starting from scratch?
[03:15] <\sh> doko: ping -> fbi fixed
[03:16] <\sh> elmo: ping -> what do u need from me, for gpg key main include? should I mail u again my gpg pubkey?
[03:19] <lamont> infinity: ghc/includes/Storage.h, comment out the extern that causes GC.c to fail. That gets you to where I tossed my hands in the air.
[03:20] <infinity> lamont : Alright, I'm trawling upstream CVS right now, looks like they've been committing gcc-4.0 fixes.
[03:20] <ogra> pitti, do you know where callout.h dissapeared in hal ?
[03:21] <lamont> infinity: I threw it back to sispoty and siretart - probably good to make sure there's no dup effort
[03:21] <lamont> really running
[03:21] <pitti> ogra: no, sorry
[03:23] <ogra> argl... it was dropped completely ....
[03:23] <ogra> damned
[03:30] <\sh> grrrrr....diff between pbuilder and sbuild was, that sbuild is parsing the build-deps in reverse order?
[03:31] <infinity> ...?
[03:31] <infinity> \sh : In what case?
[03:32] <\sh> e.g. Build-Depends: libxorg1-glu-dev | libglu-dev
[03:32] <infinity> Uhm, libxorg1-glu-dev isn't a package.
[03:32] <\sh> and sbuild makes: libglu-dev is a virtual package provided by: xlibmesa-glu-dev libglu1-mesa-dev libglu1-xorg-dev
[03:32] <\sh> what?
[03:32] <infinity> Try libglu1-xorg-dev
[03:32] <\sh> aya
[03:33] <infinity> (But it's going away in daniels' next upload anyway, so get used to using libglu1-mesa-dev)
[03:33] <infinity> Or, "Hi, GL and GLU are still seriously in flux, have a nice day."
[03:34] <sebest> hi, any pointer to create initrd ?
[03:34] <infinity> I need to upload some less broken mesa stuff, xorg -44 will drop GLU (so we only have one implementation), mesa needs to head to main, and a weird dpkg bug that triggers in some mesag-dev installations needs to be fixed or worked around. Did I miss anything?
[03:34] <siretart> infinity: whats bad about libglu1-xorg-dev? it is the same as in debian
[03:35] <\sh> infinity: so I wasn't wrong...I doesn't really matter what I'm writing as GLU build-deps...it's always wrong ;)
[03:35] <siretart> sebest: mkinitrd(8)
[03:35] <infinity> siretart : Nothing's bad about it, except that as part of X modularisation, mesa is going back where it belongs -- to upstream mesa, rather than having an extra copy in Xorg that Xorg builds libs from.
[03:35] <infinity> \sh : Possibly, yes. :/
[03:35] <infinity> \sh : We're pushing to get this all a lot less confusing (and less ever-changing) as quickly as we can.
[03:37] <infinity> \sh : For now, though, build-dep on liblgu1-xorg-dev, since we know it works (and you get to see if your packages actually build), and I'll go over verything in a semi-automated fashion after we fix the xorg/mesa overlaps and rebuild anything that may need it.
[03:38] <\sh> infinity: forget my sarcastic comments...I was wrong..that's it
[03:39] <\sh> but funny, that ia64 was behaving differently...
[03:39] <infinity> \sh : ia64 may have a dirty chroot. That can cause unexpected behaviour.
[03:39] <bddebian> Heya
[03:39] <infinity> \sh : Due the aforementioned dpkg bug, some mesa-related builds are leaving chroots broken.
[03:42] <doko> \sh: thanks for the fbi upload. did you change anything in the source?
[03:42] <\sh> infinity: so we can also have a problem on amd64 with libXrender.la?
[03:43] <\sh> doko: yes...i included in the build-deps: bsdmainutils, cause hexdump was needed on ppc
[03:43] <doko> \sh: please reupload as ubuntu1
[03:43] <\sh> eek..ok
[03:43] <\sh> doko: but grip is giving me a headache
[03:44] <infinity> \sh : What's this about Xrender.la?... That should be long gone. Which build log are you looking at?
[03:44] <\sh> infinity: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/g/grip/3.3.1-2ubuntu2/grip_3.3.1-2ubuntu2_20050727-1200-amd64-failed.gz
[03:44] <\sh> infinity: and it's only occuring on amd64
[03:44] <ogra> infinity, fails here locally too
[03:45] <infinity> \sh : And yes, if you change the source, use -XubuntuX, as those are the only revisions that won't get automatically overwritten when the archive is in sync mode.
[03:45] <infinity> \sh : Kay, that means amd64 probably needs some libraries to be updated. I'll look at it and fix it tonight.
[03:45] <\sh> infinity: thx
[03:46] <doko> \sh: it's likely a pkgconfig file, which still references the .la file
[03:46] <bddebian> Heya highvoltage
[03:47] <highvoltage> hu bddebian. how are things?
[03:47] <\sh> doko: let me check again..I'm really sad, that I'm a pkgconfig noob :(
[03:47] <bddebian> highvoltage: Not too bad thanks. You?
[03:47] <Kamion> doko: are we getting the OOo2 milestone without the conflicts soon, then? it's blocking live CDs at the moment
[03:48] <Kamion> bob2: what's up with cdimage?
[03:48] <highvoltage> bddebian: had a very productive day, so very well thanks.
[03:48] <bddebian> Nice
[03:48] <Kamion> bob2: cdimage is mostly my bailiwick
[03:48] <\sh> doko: some libs have to be updated, as infinity pointed out..
[03:49] <doko> Kamion: the OOo2 milestone was upload nearly three weeks ago. ask the xorg maintainer when he likes to unbreak xutils
[03:50] <Kamion> doko: huh? no, this doesn't match reality
[03:50] <Kamion> doko: oh, you mean it's FTBFS?
[03:50] <doko> Kamion: I'm trying to work around now
[03:50] <doko> doko: yes, it FTBFS
[03:50] <Kamion> ah, ok
[03:50] <bob2> Kamion: e.g. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/ only has amd64
[03:51] <Kamion> bob2: no live filesystem for other architectures at the moment, due to that OOo2 conflicts thing
[03:51] <bob2> Kamion: and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/ looks like where I'd get a release iso from, but it only ha array 7
[03:51] <Kamion> bob2: so the DVD build fails
[03:51] <Kamion> bob2: http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/
[03:51] <bob2> (which iirc was almost identical to releae, but still)
[03:51] <tepsipakki> is the current X in breezy known not to work? or is my laptop hosed otherwise (been on a vacation for the last few weeks..)
[03:51] <Kamion> array 7 was reasonably different from release
[03:52] <bob2> Kamion: yeah, I found it, but it did confuse me a bit :)
[03:52] <infinity> tepsipakki : /topic
[03:52] <Kamion> yeah, the layout is not optimal
[03:52] <Kamion> I kept getting instructions from above to rearrange it, which didn't help ;)
[03:52] <bob2> haha
[03:52] <tepsipakki> infinity: I noticed that before i upgraded ;)
[03:52] <tepsipakki> infinity: I had -34
[03:52] <HWolf> eh, that deadline mentioned in /topic is passed, btw
[03:53] <bddebian> HWolf: Aye, days ago :-)
[03:54] <HWolf> bddebian: it's really tempting to do a 'debian is not ubuntu' right now. ;)
[03:55] <HWolf> I'll refrain, I'm feeling nice. *smiles*
[03:55] <bddebian> Doh :-)
[03:55] <infinity> \sh : Notice such breakages on any other packages recently?
[03:56] <\sh> infinity: no..it was the first with libXrender.la on amd64..
[03:56] <\sh> all kde tool builds were fine
[03:57] <infinity> \sh : Alright. It'll be fixed PDQ. THanks for the headsup.
[03:57] <\sh> in the last couple of days..even there was no libxrender-dev build-dep actually
[03:58] <\sh> ok..going home now...later dudes
[04:00] <infinity> lamont : You're done with crested, right?
[04:00] <infinity> lamont : The chroot's still dirty and buildd is still stopped, so I'm curious. :0
[04:01] <infinity> lamont : Alright, I'm just going to assume you're done and clean up.
[04:01] <pitti> infinity: btw, would it be too much overhead to regenerate the chroots for every package, like pbuilder does?
[04:01] <doko> ogra: does gcompris belong to edubuntu?
[04:02] <ogra> doko, yes
[04:02] <ogra> doko, why ?
[04:02] <infinity> pitti : Probably not terribly much so, but this method works except when a package is horribly broken (and in odd cases, that's a breakage we only catch, or only catch quickly, on the buildds)
[04:02] <infinity> pitti : IOW, the current situation isn't optimal, but I don't mind it enough to change it.
[04:04] <doko> ogra: you did win 12280
[04:04] <ogra> meh
[04:10] <pitti> bah, these stubborn ffox locale package drive me up the wall
[04:14] <HWolf> pitti, drive that useless package up the wall instead, with a good stick. ;)
[04:14] <pitti> ogra: the patch looks fine (one nitpick, but nevermind), so go ahead and upload if you want
[04:14] <pitti> HWolf: upgrading Warty's ffox breaks the existing packs, I have to update them as well, but that is totally nontrivial
[04:14] <HWolf> pitti: I feel for you
[04:16] <ogra> pitti, i'm struggling with the procfs patch currently... hughsie has added a Processor device so they either clash or we have it two times.... additionally hal obviously uses dmidecode now to create all the additional devices, but rips out very important info needed for hwdb :( its really odd...
[04:17] <ogra> the removal of callout.{h,c} isnt explained anywhere... there is a new hal_util_callout_device thats undocumented etc... i'm slightly going insane here
[04:18] <pitti> ogra: me too, if it helps yoou in any way
[04:19] <ogra> pitti, yes, it makes me feel less alone :)
[04:22] <ogra> the odd thing is i really dont understand why hughsie added the processor device, its not used at all for/by powermanager... he seems to have just added it because he can but breaks all my stuff with it GRRR
[04:23] <ogra> there is not even useful info in the device details
[04:36] <shackan> ogra, are you oliver ?
[04:36] <ogra> shackan, yep
[04:37] <shackan> uh, so you're "the guy who wrote the hardware datatabase in ubuntu" (from today's mail)
[04:37] <ogra> heh, yep
[04:38] <j^> if nautilus is going to use browser mode by default, it should not have that gigantic X in the side pane
[04:38] <shackan> mind if I pm you a moment ?
[04:38] <ogra> go ahead
[04:38] <shackan> thanks
[04:41] <j^> this "Tree \/ X" pannel is to big anyway should not be bigger than "Name | Size | etc"
[04:49] <tepsipakki> hmm, I've found out that on my thinkpad T23 Xorg messes up the console if it is not set up to use the full screen (by telling the kernel as a parameter)
[04:51] <\sh> re
[05:01] <\sh> samba :)
[05:01] <\sh> *hides*
[05:16] <jbailey> mjg59_: ping?
[05:25] <mdz> morning
[05:26] <pitti> Hi mdz
[05:26] <\sh> hey mdz
[05:26] <Nafallo> morning mdz :-)
[05:27] <Kamion> damnit, where are all my objects disappearing off to
[05:27] <mjg59_> jbailey: Hi
[05:28] <jbailey> mjg59_: You had asked me about initramfs-tools last week, did you get a chance to see if your stuff would integrate better with it? The upload I did last night greatly increases the chances of booting succesfully. =)
[05:28] <mdz> jbailey: does 'your stuff' include RESUME? that's one of the things I noticed was missing the last time I looked
[05:28] <jdub> GOOD MORNING FREEDOM LOVERS!
[05:29] <pitti> jdub!
[05:29] <Nafallo> morning jdub! :-)
[05:29] <jdub> jbailey: does it do DSDT stuff yet? :)
[05:29] <jbailey> mdz: *blink* D'oh. Whups, had missed that.
[05:30] <jbailey> jdub: No, but it's as easy to add as resume.
[05:30] <jbailey> Next upload will have both.
[05:30] <jdub> sweet, i will switch permanently then :-)
[05:30] <mjg59_> jbailey: I haven't had a chance to play with it yet
[05:31] <jbailey> mjg59_: No worries.
[05:31] <whiprush> jdub lives!
[05:31] <mjg59_> jbailey: Proper internet should be arriving next week
[05:31] <jbailey> jdub: Well, with incentive like that! =)
[05:31] <jbailey> mjg59_: Ah, I hadn't realised you were going without.
[05:32] <ogra> doko, i hate you !
[05:33] <mjg59_> jbailey: We've been "borrowing" wireless off someone...
[05:33] <Nafallo> mjg59_: yay! Mithrandir style :-)
[05:33] <jbailey> For all the times I've had to do that, I almost feel bad having a wep key on my wap.
[05:35] <\sh> hey jdub...
[05:35] <bddebian> Bad wep on a wap? You'd better get that checked. ;-P
[05:36] <jdub> heh, liblaunchpad-integration
[05:36] <doko> ogra: Je n'ai pas compris ;-)
[05:36] <ogra> :p
[05:36] <sladen> jbailey: I need to carry a second orinoco card so I can crack WEP and show just how pointless it is
[05:37] <ogra> doko, 43MB source !! and totally ftbfs on amd64
[05:37] <ogra> :(
[05:37] <\sh> lol
[05:38] <ogra> but it fits in my day... porting my hal patches to 0.5.x isnt better at all... apichanges all over :(
[05:38] <\sh> ogra: u don't know what song I'm listening too ;)
[05:38] <jani> elmo, ping
[05:41] <ogra> ehm, pitti ? (re: hal ML)
[05:42] <pitti> yes?
[05:42] <ogra> pitti, remember that we worked out that patch together ?
[05:42] <ogra> :)
[05:43] <ogra> (the execv is from our patch... he didnt add/change it)
[05:43] <pitti> ogra: yes, but when the list of possible paths grows that long, then it's time to use the standard PATH feature, I think; of course you can just use your or that guy's patch
[05:43] <pitti> ogra: right, but he added the search list, right?
[05:44] <jbailey> sladen: Apparently in Canada (I haven't verified) there's something where I can be held liable for having an unsecured access point if someone uses it for criminal purposes because I made no attempt to secure it.
[05:44] <ogra> pitti, i dont like what he did at all... he should have done it in osspec and avoid forking into lsb_release_init if lsb_release isnt intalled...
[05:45] <pitti> good point
[05:45] <ogra> pitti, and yes, he added the search list
[05:46] <ogra> but i dont want to discuss the patch... if they want to take and modify it they should... i trus david that he doesnt add rubbish
[05:46] <ogra> (to the hal source i mean)
[05:49] <carstenh> jbailey: the german datenschutzgesetz has a parapraph that could be interpreted in that way too, but i don't know if it _is_ interpreted in that way.
[05:50] <jbailey> carstenh: I was advised this by the security officer at the last place I worked
[05:50] <carstenh> jbailey: i guess it is illegal and it is not interpreted in that way
[05:52] <tepsipakki> i got my X working (first it didn't find module keyboard, because it's now kbd), but now I can't change to console. known issue?
[05:55] <sladen> jbailey: firewall everything except 80 and 22
[05:56] <jbailey> sladen: Hmm, I wonder if that counts.
[05:59] <Amaranth> tepsipakki: install xkbutils
[06:01] <tepsipakki> amaranth: thanks.. noticed that some keys didn't work..
[06:03] <tepsipakki> and now it's confirmed that I have to use vesafb for my console, otherwise X messes it up
[06:03] <tepsipakki> don't recall having such problems on hoary
[06:04] <tepsipakki> (months ago)
[06:04] <tepsipakki> i'll file a bug
[06:04] <sivang> jbailey: oh man, can you clain that you are not tehnically able enough to secure and thuse it wasn't your fault?
[06:05] <jbailey> sivang: *shrug*, who knows?
[06:05] <jbailey> sivang: I suspect it's entirely dependant on whether the judge knows what a wireless router is.
[06:09] <ogra> jbailey, i suspect judges who dont know what that is are getting rare
[06:12] <\sh> ogra: in germany we have too many of them ;) in some areas ;)
[06:12] <infinity> \sh : Wireless routers, or judges?
[06:12] <\sh> judges
[06:13] <\sh> and also wifi routers which are not configured in a good manner...but it's cheap
[06:13] <\sh> need to buy btw. some wireless cables ;)
[06:13] <infinity> \sh : Oh, you can pull libxrender-dev from grip's build-deps again. T'was a good guess, but wasn't the actual problem. :)
[06:13] <ogra> probably we could exchange the judges with wireless routers to balance that out
[06:13] <infinity> \sh : I fixed the real bug and verified that grip now builds.
[06:13] <\sh> infinity: what was it?
[06:14] <infinity> \sh : vte needed to be rebuilt to rid its .la file of references to libXrender.la (which went away)
[06:14] <\sh> ahh :)
[06:14] <\sh> as I said
[06:15] <\sh> those problems we had as well with kde stuff
[06:15] <infinity> Still?
[06:15] <\sh> no
[06:16] <\sh> Riddell got rid of the problems :)
[06:16] <\sh> infinity: should I upload again with correct build-deps?
[06:16] <\sh> after that I will go to bed for 1h
[06:19] <infinity> \sh : Please, yes. No point in having incorrect/pointless changes in the ubuntu diff.
[06:21] <\sh> infinity: as ubuntu3 then
[06:22] <\sh> done...sleeping for 1h now...
[06:23] <pitti> gotta go folks, see you tomorrow
[06:23] <infinity> 'Night, pitti. I'll upload tbird tonight.
[06:23] <pitti> infinity: I uploaded ffox/warty and the German langpacks, the other packs will keep me busy tomorrow
[06:23] <infinity> :/
[06:23] <pitti> infinity: please upload the breezy version first
[06:24] <infinity> Aye.
[06:24] <pitti> (with the new orig.tar.gz)
[06:24] <infinity> Of course.
[06:24] <pitti> infinity: I brought katie in serious trouble with uploading an orig.tar.gz into -security
[06:24] <pitti> infinity: thanks, good luck with the update
[06:24] <pitti> so, good bye, cu tomorrow
[06:30] <mgalvin> hi all
[06:30] <bddebian> Hello mgalvin
[06:31] <mgalvin> i am trying to set up a repositroy and have it mostly working, but i am having issues where the Sources are not being generated properly, any chance someone may be able to give me a hand
[06:32] <mgalvin> are there any good docs on this anywhere
[06:32] <mgalvin> i have pretty much been scouring the net piecing together bits of info
[06:33] <infinity> apt-ftparchive is your friend.
[06:33] <bddebian> mgalvin: What do you mean by sources aren't being generated properly?
[06:33] <mgalvin> infinity, thats what i am using
[06:34] <mgalvin> bddebian, well in my conf file i tell it to use sources and it creates doesn't create a Sources file in dirs where there are sources, it does create Sources.gz though, but when i apt-get update i get errors such as...
[06:35] <mgalvin> Failed to fetch file:///home/mgalvin/Repositroy/dists/hoary/multiverse/source/Sources.gz File not found
[06:35] <mgalvin> (i modeled it after the real ubuntu archives, for now)
[06:36] <bddebian> mgalvin: Hmm, dunno, sorry
[06:37] <mgalvin> so it is creating Source.gz, not Sources, and apt-get can't see Sources.gz, even though it is there
[06:37] <mgalvin> bddebian, thnx anyway
[06:37] <mgalvin> i'll keep banging on it
[06:38] <mgalvin> i have gotten it to work another way, but then i complains when i try to sign my Releases file
[06:50] <mgalvin> got it
[06:51] <mdz> highvoltage: you know what I want!
[06:52] <mgalvin> still having problem with signing the Release file though, when use just the Release file it works fine, when i sign it and have Release.gpg also it yells at me
[06:52] <mgalvin> Failed to fetch file:///home/mgalvin/Repositroy/dists/hoary/Release Unable to find expected entry main/source/Sources in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[06:55] <TheLight> > Jul 21 14:14:20 localhost kernel:
[06:55] <TheLight> > iiciciciiiiiiiiiiiciiiiiiciiiiciciciiiciiciiic
[06:55] <TheLight> > iiiciiiiiiiciceiciiiciiiiiiciiiiiciiciciiciciiceiiiiiiiiiiiiceiiiiiici
[06:55] <TheLight> > ic
[06:55] <TheLight> > iiiciice
[06:56] <TheLight> has anyone seen that error before?
[06:56] <bddebian> Uhm
[06:56] <TheLight> I can't even begin to figure out where it's from but I belive it has something to do with why I keep getting IO errors
[06:58] <TheLight> sry, io errors while writing to jfs or xfs on an etherdrive
[06:59] <hughsie> ogra: do you not sleep? :-)
[06:59] <ogra> hughsie, hal 0.5.x steals my sleep ...
[07:00] <hughsie> ogra: lol, i guess
[07:01] <ogra> hughsie, where is hal_callout_device gone ? looks like i have to rewrite everything here :(
[07:02] <hughsie> ogra: not sure to be honest, I know davidz re-wrote a lot of my acpi stuff to get it in 0.5
[07:02] <ogra> the api changed heavily.... :(
[07:03] <ogra> hughsie, btw, what for do you have the Processor device ? i dont see the usecase for powermanager ...
[07:04] <aigarius> upgraded to breezy. was fun. hard to believe the last part of topic. ...
[07:04] <ogra> aigarius, thats because you didnt upgrade to breezy last week :)
[07:06] <ogra> hughsie, btw, daniels hasnt been around yet, but i guess we could also talk to mdz, since he had to approve such a intrusive exception from UVF
[07:07] <hughsie> ogra: sure, no problem
[07:07] <hughsie> ogra: who is mdz?
[07:07] <ogra> mdz, busy ?
[07:07] <mdz> ogra: meeting
[07:07] <ogra> hughsie, our lead of the distro team... one could also call him our CTO ;)
[07:08] <hughsie> ogra: gotcha
[07:08] <ogra> hughsie, so lets wait until the meeting is done
[07:08] <hughsie> ogra: it would be easy for me to add back the non-glib bindings to g-p-m
[07:08] <hughsie> but I'm thinking of all the other apps that are switching to the bindings
[07:08] <hughsie> seems a shame
[07:09] <ogra> hughsie, i think that would be the preferred method i ubuntu land currently.. because we had to transition _everything_ depending on dbus... and thats a lot
[07:10] <ogra> tseng, around ?
[07:10] <hughsie> ogra: okay, let me remove glib bindings and I'll see what doesn;t compile in g-p-m
[07:11] <ogra> hughsie, okay, great, thanks for the effort :)
[07:16] <mdz> ogra: what is the question?
[07:17] <ogra> mdz, hughsie is upstream for gnome-power... the powermanager we want to use in breezy... he made a lot of changes upstream to match our requirements for ubuntu
[07:17] <ogra> mdz, but the latest version depends on a higher dbus version...
[07:18] <ogra> hughsie, can you explain it more detailed ?
[07:19] <mdz> is the new dbus incompatible with the one we have? if so, at what level? (abi/api/etc.)
[07:19] <hughsie> ogra: sorry yes
[07:19] <ogra> mdz, it seems that a lot of apps are switching and even redhat backports this version to have it in
[07:19] <hughsie> mdz: dbus 0.35 is pretty much the same as 0.34 but with the glib bindings
[07:19] <hughsie> no api change that I'm aware of
[07:20] <hughsie> mdz: lots of apps (gnomey ones) are switching to glib bindings
[07:20] <hughsie> and it seems a shame not to have this in ubuntu (going to mean lots of patching for you if this doesn;t fall in)
[07:21] <hughsie> mdz: redhat are backporting 0.35 into FC4, a move that they probably arn;t takinglightly
[07:21] <seb128> I kind of second that, totem by example wants 0.35 now
[07:21] <hughsie> mdz: seems a shame to cripple the "new" release
[07:22] <ogra> but tseng seems not to be here
[07:22] <hughsie> ogra: i don;t think much changed other than bugfixing in dbus 0.35
[07:22] <Treenaks> hughsie: it did
[07:22] <mdz> if we're going to put it in, we should do it sooner rather than later
[07:22] <hughsie> Treenaks, got any details?
[07:22] <ogra> yep
[07:22] <mdz> are there any specific risks we should be aware of?
[07:22] <Treenaks> hughsie: no
[07:23] <highvoltage> mdz: the downloads were interrupted friday night (my connection died). it's back up now, and i'm not going to bed until i see something boot from this pc!
[07:23] <ogra> mdz, pitti being unhappy about even more work ?
[07:23] <mdz> ogra: how so?
[07:23] <ogra> mdz, pitti seemed not thrilled about the idea
[07:23] <mdz> how is dbus 0.35 more work for pitti than 0.34?
[07:24] <hughsie> Treenacks, mdz: In the changelog there are lots of changes to the python and glib bindings but nothing substantial api wise
[07:24] <ogra> hal recompile... for example... he isnt sure if it works cleanly
[07:24] <hughsie> hal works with 0.35, i'm using it now
[07:24] <hughsie> (from source)
[07:24] <hughsie> (FC4 tho)
[07:24] <ogra> hughsie, 0.5.2 ?
[07:24] <hughsie> 0.5.3 actually :-)
[07:25] <ogra> do you know if 0.5.2 works flawless as well ?
[07:25] <hughsie> 0.5.2 hal-device-manager mightnot work right (it works but spews errors)
[07:25] <hughsie> but hal works fine
[07:25] <ogra> :(
[07:25] <hughsie> (due to a fix inthe python bindings)
[07:25] <hughsie> 0.5.3 works 100% tho
[07:27] <hughsie> mdz: it seems to longer you leave the transition the more patches you'll have to do in 6 months time
[07:27] <ogra> hmm, 0.5.3 isnt in debian yet
[07:27] <mdz> hughsie: we're releasing in less than 3
[07:27] <mdz> mvo: the water gods are angry
[07:27] <ogra> hughsie, we are in UVF, that means no new upstream versions until release
[07:27] <mdz> ogra: ...without review and approval
[07:28] <ogra> hughsie, except exceptions :)
[07:28] <highvoltage> elmo: hi elmo.how's that server coming along that you're setting up for edubuntu?
[07:28] <hughsie> guys: lol
[07:28] <mdz> dbus 0.35 doesn't sound like a big deal to me
[07:28] <ogra> hughsie, i.e. gnome-power would have to be one
[07:28] <ogra> mdz, we have no hal 0.5.3 in debian yet, so our hal would need fixage == work for pitti
[07:29] <hughsie> mdz, ogra: does gnome-power have to ship with everytging else?
[07:29] <mdz> ogra: surely pitti is not the only one who can package a new hal
[07:29] <hughsie> whats wrong with shipping it in universe (or whatever you guys call it)
[07:29] <mdz> hughsie: yes, we release everything at once and press it onto CDs
[07:29] <ogra> hughsie, i just want the version you prepared for us ... to be able to connect it to pmi
[07:29] <hughsie> ogra: not a problem
[07:29] <ogra> mdz, lol
[07:30] <ogra> hughsie, it shall be the default fromtend for pmi in breezy... thats why it should go to main and on the CD
[07:30] <ogra> frontend even
[07:30] <hughsie> ogra; gotcha
[07:30] <hughsie> how long till release?
[07:31] <ogra> 3 months... but feature freeze is august 11th...
[07:31] <hughsie> is that definate, or could that slip?
[07:31] <mdz> that is firm
[07:31] <hughsie> mdz: cool.
[07:31] <ogra> so time to get gnome-power in for me is short... i have more time to fix and adjust it then
[07:32] <mdz> ok, so if I understand correctly:
[07:32] <ogra> oh, great :)
[07:32] <mdz> - we want new gnome-power for feature golas
[07:32] <mdz> s/golas/goals/
[07:32] <mdz> - new gnome-power requires new dbus
[07:32] <ogra> yep
[07:32] <mdz> - new hal is also required for new dbus
[07:32] <mdz> anything else?
[07:32] <ogra> or fixing of our hal
[07:32] <highvoltage> can I make a request for the printing of the ubuntu cd's? the different colours for warty was really great- i missed that for the hoary cd's.
[07:32] <mdz> I'd rather pull 0.5.3 than patch our hal
[07:32] <ogra> i guess you could also backport patches from 0.5.3
[07:32] <ogra> ah, ok
[07:33] <hughsie> mdz: i dont think 0.5.2 -> 0.5.3 was that different
[07:33] <ogra> i'd like to hear pitti about this... but he's already gone
[07:33] <ogra> he wasnt happy about the idea
[07:34] <mdz> what is the issue with hal 0.5.2 + dbus 0.34?
[07:34] <hughsie> ogra: if g-p-m used 0.34, would you still want to ship 0.35 for the other stuff?
[07:34] <mdz> if it isn't api-incompatible, why do we need to update hal?
[07:34] <ogra> hughsie, not me, but you heared seb128, he could need it for totem
[07:34] <hughsie> hal itself is okay
[07:34] <hughsie> mdz: it's hal-device-manager that uses the python bindings
[07:35] <ogra> mdz, <hughsie> 0.5.2 hal-device-manager mightnot work right (it works but spews errors)
but hal works fine
[07:35] <mdz> hughsie: so there are api changes in the python bindings, but not C?
[07:35] <hughsie> mdz: not completely sure. I think they were described as "fixes" by J5
[07:35] <seb128> jui 15 12:06:08 <hadess> BBB: any reasons why you need dbus 0.35?
[07:35] <seb128> jui 15 12:07:36 <BBB> 0.34 didn't work, which was a bug according to walters
[07:35] <seb128> jui 15 12:07:40 <BBB> so I used 0.35 right away
[07:35] <seb128> jui 15 12:07:52 <BBB> also, api changed 0.34->.35
[07:36] <seb128> I've that from #gnome-hackers
[07:36] <mdz> who is BBB?
[07:36] <hughsie> seb128, glib api changed
[07:36] <ogra> so there _are_ api changes
[07:36] <madduck> sabdfl: http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/27/1417247&tid=160&tid=14
[07:36] <ogra> ah
[07:36] <seb128> jui 15 12:16:36 <BBB> I can try, but I couldn't get 0.34 to eevn register a simple function table
[07:36] <seb128> jui 15 12:16:49 <BBB> it would just throw a pointless warning and leave me not-understanding
[07:36] <seb128> jui 15 12:16:59 <BBB> 0.35/cvs worked out-of-the-box
[07:36] <hughsie> i think the c api is unchanged
[07:37] <seb128> mdz: he's working for fluendo and upstream for totem-gst
[07:37] <hughsie> (g-p-m seemed to work on both without change)
[07:37] <hughsie> guys, i got a meeting in about 3 mins, so I got to run
[07:37] <seb128> mdz: upstream for gnome-media and a part of sound-juicer too
[07:37] <mdz> my feeling so far is that we should bite the bullet and bring in new dbus+hal
[07:37] <hughsie> could you let me know hat the plan is plz
[07:37] <ogra> hughsie, i'll inform you about the outcome of this, thanks for all the info
[07:37] <hughsie> mdz: that would be my best idea too
[07:37] <mdz> though if pitti has a reasonable objection I would like to hear it
[07:37] <seb128> mdz: agreed
[07:37] <hughsie> ogra: thanks
[07:38] <ogra> mdz, yes, lets wait for pitti
[07:38] <hughsie> cool, with that I go. cheers guys.
[07:38] <seb128> pitti said yesterday it's up to daniels
[07:38] <mdz> daniels?
[07:38] <ogra> seb128, but he wasnt happy at all about it...
[07:38] <seb128> jui 15 12:17:46 <seb128> daniels: do you know if we have planned to stay to 0.34 or go for 0.35?
[07:38] <seb128> jui 15 13:05:17 <daniels> seb128: probably 0.35
[07:38] <seb128>
[07:39] <ogra> mdz, daniels packages it... i guess we should move that to someone less stressed
[07:39] <seb128> and that is from the #gnome-hackers discussion
[07:39] <mdz> in that case, it sounds like we all agree on 0.35
[07:39] <mdz> and we should just do it
[07:39] <seb128> right
[07:39] <ogra> yay
[07:58] <fabbione> seb128: hey dude
[07:58] <seb128> hi
[08:03] <tseng> ogra: ?
[08:04] <tseng> ogra: oh
[08:04] <ogra> tseng, any advantages from 0.35 ?
[08:04] <tseng> ogra: the exposed api from the mono bindings is static
[08:04] <tseng> so if we can build against .35
[08:04] <tseng> nothing really cares
[08:04] <ogra> ah, so no change at all
[08:04] <ogra> great :)
[08:04] <tseng> its usually a rebuild
[08:04] <tseng> breaks "abi" or something
[08:05] <tseng> but it works.
[08:11] <Mez> elmo:ping
[08:14] <highvoltage> mdz: ogra says that the ltsp packages will only work on hoary, won't it work if i install them on hoary? i just assumed apt would take care of anything it needs. are there specific packages i could just upgrade?
[08:15] <mdz> highvoltage: you mean breezy, right?
[08:15] <ogra> yes i said breezy...
[08:16] <ogra> but i'm not sure how you implemented it, does this limitation cunt for the host too ?
[08:16] <Mez> elmo:pingmdz: the backports only compile against main yes?
[08:17] <Mez> grr
[08:17] <bddebian> ogra: Uhm, did you mean count there?? ;-P
[08:17] <Mez> mdz: the backports only compile against main - yes?
[08:17] <ogra> bddebian, indeed...
[08:17] <jasoncohen> Mez, congrats
[08:17] <mdz> Mez: no, it should work exactly the same as the other suites
[08:17] <mdz> Mez: i.e., main can only build against main, and universe only against universe
[08:17] <Mez> o_O
[08:17] <Mez> unknown/gtk-sharp2-unstable_1.9.5-1ubuntu2~hoary1: Dep-Wait by buildd+vernadsky [-:uncompiled]
[08:17] <Mez> Dependencies: mono-mcs
[08:17] <Mez> but, mono-mcs = in hoary
[08:18] <Mez> so I think somethings cocked up there
[08:19] <jasoncohen> anyone know when we can expect a security update for thunderbird? I think thunderbird 1.0.5 introduced API changes which might cause the same problem backporting security fixes for firefox caused
[08:19] <Mez> (but obviously, I want that killed as it's mono and we dont want mono stuff at the mo
[08:19] <hughsie> ogra: did pitti have his say?
[08:20] <ogra> hughsie, nope, i guess he's done for today
[08:20] <hughsie> ogra: no worries, I'll carry on hacking
[08:20] <ogra> hughsie, but daniels obviously annouced in june already the inclusion of 0.35
[08:21] <ogra> hughsie, <seb128> jui 15 13:05:17 <daniels> seb128: probably 0.35
[08:21] <hughsie> ogra: okay, that helps, thanks
[08:21] <hughsie> glib-fication away
[08:21] <ogra> hughsie, its very likely we'll get it, if pitti doesnt have srtong arguments against it
[08:21] <hughsie> ogra: cool
[08:21] <highvoltage> mdz: sorry, yes, replace first "hoary" with "breezy"
[08:22] <mdz> highvoltage: you need breezy
[08:22] <ogra> mdz, even as the host system ?
[08:22] <mdz> ogra: that's the only system which matters
[08:22] <ogra> ok
[08:22] <mdz> you need breezy unless you're going to do everything by hand
[08:23] <mdz> in which case that completely defeats the purpose of the test
[08:23] <ogra> ok, i wasnt sure
[08:25] <highvoltage> mdz: ah, ok. i'll sort it out...
[08:25] <mdz> highvoltage: I'm pretty sure that I wrote this near the top of the howto
[08:26] <ogra> mdz, you did...
[08:26] <Mez> infinity, or lamont, ping
[08:27] <infinity> Mez : pong.
[08:28] <Mez> infinity, can you use your "axe" and make amd64/ppc not build acroread :D
[08:28] <Mez> cause it's only for i386
[08:28] <Mez> (that's for backprts)
[08:28] <infinity> Does it somehow hurt for it to be tried on !i386?
[08:29] <infinity> (That's a rhetorical question)
[08:29] <Mez> infinity, It just wont build thats all, makes life a lot easier if it isnt tried :d
[08:29] <highvoltage> mdz: yes, you did. i assumed i could do it on hoary too, sorry, and i though i was just testing the ltsp part, so i wanted to try on hoary since breezy is still kind of broken.
[08:30] <infinity> Mez : Doesn't make life much different at all, really. A failed build log is pretty much how we deal with this. :)
[08:30] <Mez> ... ?
[08:31] <infinity> Mez : Packages are excluded on a per-arch basis when they break on that arch, or when the whole dependency chain needs to go bye-bye, or something equally evil. When a package just fails (or doesn't even list our arch in the arch list), we just let the build fail. It does no harm.
[08:31] <jasoncohen> Mez, https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/1598
[08:31] <mdz> the next generation of buildd magic will just skip the build entirely
[08:31] <infinity> mdz : The current one does, too.
[08:31] <jasoncohen> Mez, i can't attach the rules file or source though
[08:32] <infinity> mdz : But the log is listed as "failed" not "skipped", that's all. But it IS skipped (we check the .dsc, we're not in it, we skip)
[08:32] <mdz> seb128: when did libtotem_mozilla.so appear? it rocks!
[08:33] <mdz> infinity: but it only gets to that point by actually downloading the source package to the buildd and examining it, no?
[08:33] <mdz> and there's really no reason for it to even get that far
[08:33] <ogra> mdz, yeah, its cool.. its there since more then a month
[08:33] <Mez> jasoncohen, assgned to me, I'll do it when I get upload :D
[08:33] <infinity> mdz : Yes, that's because katie doesn't tell wanna-build anything about a package except for the version. That could be fixed, but I doubt anyone cares.
[08:33] <mdz> infinity: it will be fixed
[08:34] <jasoncohen> Mez, will you be recompiling 2.70 (hoary) with gtk2 or backporting 2.85 from breezy and recompiling with gtk2?
[08:34] <infinity> mdz : IN LP, it will be fixed, I meant "it could be fixed in dak/w-b".
[08:34] <jasoncohen> heh, nevermind- 2.85 still hasn't gone into breezy even though it's been in sid for a while
[08:35] <Mez> jasoncohen, I will be upgrading breezy, then maybe backporting
[08:35] <jasoncohen> 2.85 has a more attractive interface
[08:35] <jasoncohen> i use a checkinstall deb of mplayerplug-in 2.85 compiled with gtk2.
[08:37] <jasoncohen> Mez, do you know what's going to happen with the mirromax and other backports servers that currently are not in sync with the official ubuntu server? there are still packages on mirromax that aren't on the official server
[08:38] <jasoncohen> like mono, firefox etc.
[08:39] <Mez> jasoncohen, we're working on mono
[08:39] <Mez> and firefox is vcurrently breaking the buildd
[08:39] <seb128> mdz: it's for ~2 months but was pretty bugged until 2 weeks ago .. and yeah, it's nice :)
[08:40] <jasoncohen> Mez, will backports still be packaging firefox? what's the point if the ubuntu security team will be providing new upstream releases to fix security issues (which basically accounts for all firefox updates)?
[08:41] <Mez> jasoncohen, the point is... simply, we'll keep backporting FF
[08:41] <infinity> ... why?
[08:41] <jasoncohen> yeah, why?, heh
[08:41] <Mez> infinity as the FF version increases, we'll backport it
[08:41] <Mez> but - as it increases they wont neccesarily put it in h-s
[08:41] <jasoncohen> i see
[08:42] <jasoncohen> so, when 1.5 is released for example, that's going to be backported
[08:42] <Mez> though ff was requested thgrough elmo before the current version
[08:42] <Mez> so infinity, you can kick that from the buildd if you want to/can
[08:44] <ogra> Mez, whats the usecase for that if the lates FF is in hoary ?
[08:44] <jasoncohen> anyone know if this will apply for ubuntu's version of firefox? http://wiki.mozilla.org/Software_Update
[08:45] <Mez> ogra: as I said, the current one - is a different issue
[08:45] <Mez> it was piut in the list before the new FF for hoary was put out
jasoncohen, the point is... simply, we'll keep backporting FF
[08:45] <jasoncohen> ogra, he is saying that the latest may not be in hoary if for example the latest update isn't security or if a new milestone is released. 1.5 is slated for september
[08:45] <Mez> yeah, my point was that we will .. but I thought he was on about unofficial
[08:46] <infinity> Mez : It failed anyway, not much to kick.
[08:46] <Mez> we keep it in unofficial cause it's too much of a PITA to work
[08:46] <Mez> infinity? it did?
[08:46] <Mez> cool :D
[08:46] <Mez> kick it
[08:47] <jasoncohen> Mez, if the FF versions on hoary & backports are equal, which will be preferred?
[08:47] <ogra> Mez, youre a MOTU, why dont you package a firefox-snapshot package for universe so people can play with it... even debian/utnubu might be interested
[08:50] <Mez> ogra, sorry... what?
[08:50] <Mez> jasoncohen, hoary :D
[08:51] <Mez> ogra - what you mean by firefox-snapshot
[08:51] <ogra> Mez, if you make a package 1.5, why dont you do it in universe and backport from there, so breezy people can use it too
[08:52] <ogra> s/package/package of/
[08:52] <Mez> ogra, I will eventually when it's released :D
[08:52] <Mez> but I coudl do a snapshot
[08:52] <ogra> thats what i mean
[08:52] <Mez> but yeah, I dont have like... upload or anything atm
[08:52] <Mez> :D
[08:52] <jasoncohen> i find that mozilla builds of firefox are faster than ubuntu (faster switching pages, starting up). are they compiled with different options?
[08:52] <ogra> so people dont need additional source entrys to use it
[08:52] <ogra> s/source/sources.list/
[08:52] <Mez> ogra: I was just on about backporting it to official when it gets released
[08:53] <Mez> ogra: not updating unofficial with it - just unofficial = a PITA
[08:57] <adamh> When I try to debug my OpenGL application, gdb spits out a SIGFPE error from "r200_dri.so". I have to type "c" to continue execution, and the program seems to work. Any idea what's wrong?
[08:58] <hughsie> adamh: SIGFPE is floating point exception right?
[08:58] <adamh> hughsie: Yeah, GDB calls it "Arithmetic exception"
[08:59] <hughsie> adamh, something like division like zero?
[08:59] <adamh> hughsie: No idea, it's not in my code
[08:59] <hughsie> lol, okay
[08:59] <adamh> I don't have debugging symbols for r200_dri.so :)
[08:59] <hughsie> adamh: that wa my next uestion
[09:00] <adamh> Though I suppose I could look them up...
[09:00] <adamh> Recompile whatever package in debug mode...
[09:01] <adamh> Hahaha, wonderful, xlibmesa-dri -- provided by the "xorg" source (51MB)
[09:01] <hughsie> adamh, don't envy you
[09:01] <ogra> adamh, hoary ?
[09:02] <adamh> ogra: yep
[09:02] <ogra> adamh, breezy will change that :) modularized X has much smaller ackages
[09:02] <ogra> packages even
[09:02] <adamh> ogra: But the source package is the same, isn't it?
[09:03] <ogra> hopefully not.... else we wouldnt gain anything for the uplods
[09:03] <ogra> uploads...
[09:03] <adamh> Well, maybe breezy will solve my original problem :)
[09:04] <infinity> elmo : [ing.
[09:04] <ogra> at least it will make it easier for you
[09:04] <infinity> elmo : ping too, while you're at it.
[09:04] <adamh> ogra: yeah
[09:04] <adamh> Oh well, I can live with pressing "c" a thousand times a day :)
[09:06] <ogra> adamh, try this one ;) http://www.backstreet.demon.co.uk/oddstuff/drinkingbirds/drinkingbirds.htm
[09:13] <hughsie> ogra: that link is most odd
[09:17] <dholbach> hi
[09:17] <ogra> hughsie, heh, yes, but a helpful tool for such cases ;)
[09:17] <hughsie> ohga: heh
[09:17] <Lathiat> Is there a working breezy install cd yet?
[09:17] <hughsie> *ogra: sorry
[09:17] <dholbach> how do i get umlauts, ... on the newest x.org back? :)
[09:18] <Lathiat> dholbach: write in english :P
[09:18] <ogra> dholbach, xomdmap i heard... why did you upgrade ?
[09:18] <dholbach> ogra: why shouldnt i? is there the don't-upgrade-and-don't-test-new-crack law in place already? :)
[09:19] <dholbach> hmm, xmodmap... that's not very specific :-)
[09:19] <ogra> dholbach, why upgrade if you know its missing stuff and totally broken :)
[09:19] <dholbach> ogra: i didn't loose faith on the way
[09:19] <ogra> dholbach, my X is still at -34
[09:19] <mvo> ogra: wimp :P
[09:20] <ogra> dholbach, but \sh mumbled something about xmodmap and setting a custom modemap
[09:20] <ogra> mv:p
[09:20] <ogra> mvo even
[09:20] <ogra> hehe
[09:21] <infinity> Umlauts are overrated. We're eliminating spurious accents in breezy, for the good of the planet.
[09:21] <ogra> daniels, said something about next week for a working X ....
[09:21] <dholbach> infinity: if you give me a backslash, curly braces and an <at>-key i'm happy :)
[09:21] <seb128> hey dholbach
[09:22] <zyga> mvo: hello :)
[09:22] <Mithrandir> dholbach: \ { } @
[09:22] <ogra> dholbach, \ { }
[09:22] <ogra> @
[09:22] <dholbach> seb128: hey seb :)
[09:22] <ogra> missed the @
[09:22] <dholbach> Mithrandir, ogra: you're too kind
[09:22] <infinity> dholbach : And now you can copy and paste. See?
[09:22] <ogra> dholbach, you can kepp them :)
[09:22] <ogra> keep even
[09:22] <ogra> mvo, take vim ! :)
[09:24] <zyga> ogra: it's unethical to propose a holy war in our era ;]
[09:24] <zyga> mvo: how's update-manager?
[09:24] <Mithrandir> infinity: you're adopting thunderbird? :-)
[09:25] <ogra> zyga, i didnt purpose a war :) i was giving a friendly hint ;)
[09:25] <fabbione> Mithrandir: it's FTBFS because of X :)
[09:25] <fabbione> Mithrandir: nothing too fancy to fix...
[09:25] <zyga> ogra: one religion gives a friendly hint to the other about being inferior ;-)
[09:27] <jasoncohen> infinity, are you building a patched version of thunderbird for hoary/warty-security?
[09:33] <ogra> zyga, you know i would _never_ do that, especially not to someone who just called me a whimp because i dont like to break my system intentionally ;)
[09:49] <lamont__> Mez: acroread: i386 # No source
[09:49] <lamont__> that's pretty much there...
[09:49] <lamont__> may be that PaS is out of date on ubuntu's machine, but I don't believe that is the case
[09:50] <lamont__> infinity: do you have commit access to PaS?>
[09:52] <dholbach> wb seb128
[09:54] <seb128> re dholbach
[09:57] <gilligan> evening
[10:03] <OddAbe19> if i dist-upgraded to breezy, besides the known X issues, what am i going to expect in ways of breakage?
[10:03] <OddAbe19> also.... will keyboard work for EN-US person?
[10:03] <OddAbe19> or is that still an issue
[10:04] <infinity> lamont__ : I do.
[10:04] <lamont__> infinity: ok
[10:04] <lamont__> did you add acroread today, or was that already there?
[10:06] <infinity> lamont__ : It's been there for ages.
[10:06] <lamont__> right. /me larts Mez
[10:07] <infinity> lamont__ : Doesn't change the fact that we tried to build it for hoary-backports. <shrug>... It also doesn't much matter, cause sbuild stops before going anywhere interesting.
[10:08] <lamont__> elmo: hoary-backports seems to be ignoring PaS???
[10:10] <dholbach> infinity, ogra, Mithrandir: eat this: \ { } [ ] @ ;-)
[10:11] <ogra> :p
[10:12] <dholbach> xkbutils and xinit did the trick
[10:14] <dholbach> and with backslash and curly braces i can face LaTeX again - see you :-)
[10:17] <tritium> dholbach, :)
[10:18] <\sh> jesus
[10:18] <\sh> I have arunning german keyboard natively
[10:18] <dholbach> woohoo!
[10:18] <\sh> thx dholbach ;) for pointing this out :)
[10:18] <dholbach> synaptic search for maintainer "daniel stone" helped me :)
[10:18] <\sh> now..why irssi doesn't understand /set term_type utf-8
[10:18] <mvo> dholbach: clever!
[10:19] <dholbach> mvo: thank YOU! :)
[10:19] <sladen> \sh: utf8
[10:19] <\sh> unknown term type
[10:20] <\sh> lol
[10:22] <dholbach> infinity: you're evil - that'd have been sabotage to my thesis :)
[10:23] <\sh> jesus who do I have to kiss?
[10:23] <\sh> sladen: it is /set term_charset UTF-8 ,-)
[10:27] <sladen> funky. my config file has term_type = "utf8";
[10:28] <ddaa> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/1413 files beagle missing as an ubuntu source package on launchpad as a bug. But beagle is not part of ubuntu, it's only in universe.
[10:28] <ddaa> That's clearly an invalid bug, but I'm not sure how to close it.
[10:28] <Lathiat> yeh but isnt malone supposed to track universe stuff
[10:28] <Burgundavia> beagle should exist
[10:29] <Burgundavia> if the source package is in Ubuntu, it should be in LP
[10:29] <ddaa> There's a wide spectrum from "not an ubuntu package" "invalid", to "that's not an ubuntu package but I've created a product for you". Obviously i'm looking for some middle ground.
[10:29] <ddaa> Burgundavia: it's not in ubuntu. It's in Univers.
[10:29] <\sh> infinity: small ping *g*
[10:29] <Burgundavia> ddaa, universe is ubuntu
[10:29] <ddaa> Burgundavia: no, it's not.
[10:29] <Burgundavia> ddaa, yes it is
[10:30] <ddaa> universe is unsupported software.
[10:30] <\sh> infinity: universe/x11/xlockmore_1:5.13-2.1ubuntu2: Dep-Wait by buildd+rothera [optional:out-of-date] Dependencies: libglu-dev
[10:30] <seb128> Burgundavia: could you search for duplicate, ask the version, say if you get the issue, etc before forwarding bugs upstream?
[10:30] <Burgundavia> seb128, sorry
[10:30] <Amaranth> "I assume GDM isn't really doing well with my keyboard now as it thinks G is enter"
[10:30] <\sh> infinity: now I'm completly confused :(
[10:30] <Amaranth> dholbach: help this guy out :)
[10:30] <\sh> infinity: on i386, ppc, amd64 but not ia64 ;)
[10:30] <Burgundavia> ddaa, universe is one component of ubuntu
[10:30] <dholbach> Amaranth: ouch
[10:30] <seb128> Burgundavia: no need to be sorry, but forwarding this way you give me extra work ... :p
[10:30] <Burgundavia> seb128, I was trying to avoid that
[10:30] <Amaranth> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=272903&postcount=7
[10:31] <ddaa> seb128: since you are the gnome guy around, and more used to dealing with the community than I am, maybe you have a suggestion for me.
[10:31] <\sh> Burgundavia: your bug...for me it's only flickering
[10:31] <Burgundavia> seb128, but bugzilla searching is less than ideal
[10:31] <seb128> Burgundavia: ie: you forwarded a bug on nautilus saying that's with current distro, but submitter didn't say that, do you have the issue?
[10:31] <Burgundavia> seb128, yes
[10:32] <seb128> Burgundavia: try sf.net, the BTS or malone ... bugzilla is great :p
[10:32] <Burgundavia> indeed
[10:32] <seb128> ddaa: about what?
[10:32] <Burgundavia> bts and sf.net causes me to want to remove my eyeballs and eat them
[10:32] <Kamion> bugzilla is so hideously painful compared to debbugs
[10:32] <seb128> that's not that bad, but the search feature are poor
[10:33] <seb128> Kamion: you don't handle a lot of bug, that's why you say that
[10:33] <ddaa> seb128: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/1413 this bug reads "Beagle is missing from ubuntu packages. Please add beagle package." but beagle is a universe package.
[10:33] <Kamion> seb128: sorry, but that's bullshit
[10:33] <Amaranth> bugzilla isn't bad when you don't have thousands of components to file bugs against
[10:33] <Burgundavia> Kamion, depends on what you are doing with it. BTS is stronger is some points
[10:33] <seb128> Kamion: you would have 1500 bugs open on nautilus you would cry with the BTS
[10:33] <seb128> Kamion: how do I find a dup with a backtrace with the BTS?
[10:33] <Kamion> seb128: I deal with d-i bugs all the time, there are a billion of those. I'm the openssh maintainer.
[10:33] <Kamion> (functionally, anyway)
[10:34] <seb128> Kamion: k, so teach me how to use the BTS
[10:34] <Kamion> you keep a mailbox with mail you've received about that package
[10:34] <Kamion> it's far easier to search than bugzilla is
[10:34] <seb128> I've a backtrace, I want to look for duplicate on all the packages
[10:34] <ddaa> seb128: The better thing I'd have to say would be "you are welcome to create a beagle product if you are willing to take ownership of the bugs, but it's not a supported ubuntu package, so this bug is invalid", which is not terribly friendly.
[10:34] <seb128> I'm not subscribed to the whole BTS
[10:34] <seb128> Kamion: some GTK crash have dups on different packages, I want to find them
[10:34] <Kamion> /usr/bin/bts can auto-download piles of stuff for you if you ask it
[10:35] <Amaranth> ddaa: If it's in universe it needs to be in malone
[10:35] <seb128> k, so how do I ask for all the opened bug having a funtcion g_some_function with gtk 2.6 on the BTS ?
[10:35] <Amaranth> ddaa: malone is where we track universe bugs
[10:35] <Kamion> man bts
[10:35] <Kamion> man grep
[10:35] <ogra> ddaa, beagle is in ubuntu breezy and mlone is for universe
[10:36] <seb128> Kamion: thanks, that's user friendly
[10:36] <seb128> I'll reply that next time a bug triager ask
[10:36] <Kamion> also, yes, debbugs definitely needs better full-text search capabilities, and we've acknowledged that for a while; that doesn't mean it's a dead loss or that all the other deficiencies of bugzilla don't matter
[10:37] <Burgundavia> Kamion, bts is crap to use on the web interface and try and read from there
[10:37] <ddaa> ogra: http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/source/beagle
[10:37] <Kamion> like the incredible pain of working offline with bugzilla
[10:37] <ddaa> that web page reads "universe"
[10:37] <seb128> Kamion: I get mails about all the bugs with bugzilla too ...
[10:37] <Burgundavia> ddaa, malone is for universe packages
[10:37] <Kamion> and can you reply to them? no.
[10:37] <Kamion> you get a mail and then you have to fire up a web browser to do anything with them
[10:37] <Kamion> bonkers
[10:37] <ogra> ddaa, might be, but its in main or will move soon...
[10:37] <seb128> right, bugzilla is missing a mail interface
[10:37] <ogra> ddaa, in breezy
[10:37] <ddaa> bah... I'll just let the distro guys decide this issue, I'm obviously not competent to take a decision on that on. Sorry for the noise.
[10:37] <seb128> the BTS is missing a ziliion on things
[10:38] <Amaranth> Kamion: regular users don't want a mail interface
[10:38] <seb128> it just caught up on bug subscription and versionning by example
[10:38] <Kamion> Amaranth: developers do
[10:38] <seb128> that's ages behind bugzilla
[10:38] <Kamion> seb128: dude, nobody else has ever done versioning
[10:38] <Kamion> I know of no other bug tracking system with that feature
[10:38] <Amaranth> Kamion: users are more important
[10:38] <seb128> bugzilla has a version field
[10:38] <Kamion> bugzilla has primitive milestones, which are not the same thing
[10:38] <Amaranth> Kamion: developer interfaces can be hacked on later
[10:39] <Kamion> Amaranth: whatever, bye
[10:39] <infinity> seb128 : debbugs had a version field too, and it was about as useful.
[10:39] <Kamion> I care about making developers' lives productive
[10:39] <infinity> seb128 : Real version tracking, as debbugs now does it, is pretty cool.
[10:39] <Kamion> others are much better at caring about users than I am, so I leave it up to them; users are better off that way :)
[10:40] <seb128> infinity: anyway, I use both, bugzilla is much much better for what I do
[10:40] <Kamion> and I don't appreciate being told I'm wrong for caring about developers, because somebody has to
[10:40] <seb128> bugzilla.gnome cares a lot about developers too
[10:41] <infinity> debbugs' mail interface wins hands down for me, but maybe I'm just a Kamion groupie.
[10:41] <Kamion> gnome developers are biased towards UI folks
[10:41] <Kamion> that's a different case
[10:41] <seb128> infinity: explain to an user he has to mail to add a comment to a bug where he just browsed
[10:42] <Kamion> funny, we don't hear that particular complaint about debbugs very often
[10:42] <infinity> seb128 : Yes, dubbugs could use a friendly web interface. Doesn't change the fact that bugzilla could use a decent mail interface, does it? :)
[10:42] <seb128> because we don't have lusers
[10:42] <infinity> (And if someone really cared enough, debbugs would grow a web interface, it's not rocket science)
[10:42] <seb128> infinity: nop, I agree on that, I just find 100 nautilus bug hard to manage with the BTS
[10:43] <seb128> harder than 500 bugs with the upstream bugzilla
[10:43] <Burgundavia> infinity, a really good web interface is actually quite difficult to pull off
[10:43] <seb128> infinity: ie: searching for crash duplicate is much easy with the query.cgi from bugzilla ... I don't even know how to do the same with the bts
[10:43] <Kamion> I find my bugzilla bugs pretty much impossible to manage compared to double that number of debbugs bugs, so I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree
[10:43] <infinity> Burgundavia : "Really good" doesn't seem to be a requirement, if we just want to get bugzilla's functionality.
[10:44] <wasabi_> ibook still can't wake up with latest ppc kernel. =(
[10:44] <Burgundavia> infinity, indeede
[10:45] <Kamion> anyway, maybe I should go have a drink, I seem to be tetchy this evening, sorry
[10:45] <infinity> Ugh, half an hour to upload thunderbird. I hate my connections.
[10:45] <infinity> s/connections/connection/
[10:45] <seb128> infinity: how do I find crashers listed by the BTS with shortcut_find_position () on one of the comments?
[10:46] <seb128> real question, I would look if this gtk bug has some dups ..
[10:46] <infinity> seb128 : Yes, full-text search in debbugs is a missing feature. Kamion already pointed that out. Can we move on, please? :)
[10:46] <seb128> k
[10:46] <Kamion> like I say, we'll add decent full-text search at some point; it's getting pretty high on the agenda now that we've disposed of the two things that were top of the list
[10:46] <dholbach> Kamion: for being tetchy you're quite calm - enjoy the drink :)
[10:46] <infinity> (But you can download the mboxes, keep that synced locally, and use grep to your heart's content. Not friendly, but it works..)
[10:47] <seb128> bug triagers are not likely to do this
[10:47] <Kamion> there was some plan to use lurker, although I'm not sure that'll be feasible; we'll see
[10:47] <Burgundavia> infinity, thanks I would rather have a nice web interface
[10:48] <infinity> Kamion : Is the debbugs package even remotely up to date these days?
[10:48] <Kamion> infinity: no - as soon as I implement vt expiry so that feature's properly finished, I'll upload 2.4.2 or 2.5 or whatever
[10:48] <infinity> Kamion : Or, better question, since I care about the code, not the package, where is the code maintained now?
[10:48] <Kamion> infinity: :ext:cvs.debian.org:/cvs/debbugs, module source
[10:48] <infinity> Kamion : Still cvs.d.o?
[10:48] <infinity> Kay, cool.
[10:49] <Kamion> hopefully moving to baz as soon as the import works
[10:57] <Mithrandir> elmo: did you see my whining about libapreq2 having gone missing in the pool?
[10:57] <\sh> Mithrandir: can u please xmms-dev (>= 1.2.7) libsqlite3-dev libtag1-dev fftw3-dev
[10:57] <elmo> Mithrandir: no?
[10:57] <\sh> phhh
[10:58] <infinity> elmo : How do things end up with "unkown" as their section in wanna-build?.. Missing overrides?
[10:58] <\sh> Mithrandir: again..please install those packages in breeze chroot on ravel: xmms-dev (>= 1.2.7) libsqlite3-dev libtag1-dev fftw3-dev
[10:58] <Mithrandir> elmo: apparently, libapreq2 (source package) is missing from the pool. That is, .dsc and .diff.gz is missing, orig.tar.gz is there.
[10:58] <elmo> infinity: yes
[10:58] <infinity> elmo : If so, we need to "backport" overrides when we backport packages, or stuff in universe doesn't build on hoary-backports (if it doesn't exist in hoary, I assume)
[10:59] <infinity> elmo : Currently 7 packages in hoary-backports stuck in needs-build and very confused about life for that reason.
[10:59] <Mithrandir> \sh: fixed, now freshening chroot.
[10:59] <\sh> Mithrandir: thx
[11:00] <Kamion> elmo: (that's libapreq2-perl, btw)
[11:00] <\sh> Mithrandir: hmm...debhelper (>> 4.0.0) is missing :( strange...
[11:00] <Mithrandir> Kamion: the source package was renamed, it appears.
[11:01] <Kamion> ah
[11:01] <Mithrandir> Kamion: hm, no, sorry. it's libapreq2-perl in ubuntu, but libapreq2 in Debian
[11:01] <Kamion> nightmare
[11:02] <Mithrandir> that is, the source package was renamed since it now provides more than just perl stuff. I wonder if that might have confused the scripts which import from Debian.
[11:03] <Mithrandir> \sh: better now?
[11:06] <martinhj> is there a list on what wireless cards network manager supports? I got an old orinoco wifi card wich I have enabled scanning on (not with the drivers shipped with the linus or ubuntu kernel).. iwlist interface scanning works, nm dosn't show any access points
[11:06] <martinhj> I'm testing this with the all packages up to date in breezy
[11:06] <ogra> martinhj, pcmcia ?
[11:07] <martinhj> ogra: yes
[11:07] <infinity> In theory, it should work with anything iwlist works with. In theory.
[11:07] <wasabi_> It's odd. nm also says it doesn't support scanning with my card either.
[11:07] <wasabi_> But iwlist has always worked before.
[11:07] <infinity> In practice, I'm not really sure.
[11:07] <ogra> i have a orinoco silver here that doesnt work either with NM...
[11:07] <martinhj> wasabi: nm does not say anything to me
[11:07] <wasabi_> Yeah, oronico too
[11:07] <Lathiat> ogra: i've never ahd it work on a pcmcia orinoco
[11:08] <Lathiat> probably cus theres no scanning support by default
[11:08] <martinhj> but with cable it helps me to get connected
[11:08] <wasabi_> Not true. There is scanning support.
[11:08] <ogra> Lathiat, with some manual fiddling after the boot... but thats indeed not the intention of NM
[11:08] <wasabi_> There isn't MONITOR support.
[11:08] <Lathiat> wasabi_: there isnt either.. unless that changed recently
[11:08] <Lathiat> wasabi_: theres unofficial patches for both
[11:08] <wasabi_> There has always been for me.
[11:08] <ogra> wasabi_ neither does work with mine
[11:09] <wasabi_> Hmmm.
[11:09] <Lathiat> the scanning might have been integrated into the kernel sometime in the last 6-12 months but im not aware of it
[11:09] <ogra> wasabi_, silver or gold ?
[11:09] <wasabi_> airport.
[11:09] <Lathiat> isnt airport different
[11:09] <Lathiat> like, its similar, but has a different driver
[11:09] <ogra> afaik yes
[11:09] <infinity> That's all fairly moot, though. If iwlist works, n-m should work, because n-m is using libiw. Unless n-m is maintaining an internal blacklist (ick)
[11:09] <wasabi_> It's similar.
[11:09] <martinhj> Ubuntu should maybe ship those drivers I use with my orinco card now.. seems more stable too: before I had to restart the computer (or a lot of services) when the driver didn't load properly.. happened a lot
[11:10] <ogra> wasabi_, ariport is pcmcia ?
[11:10] <ogra> thats news to me
[11:10] <Lathiat> ogra: its something like pcmcia with a different pinout
[11:10] <Lathiat> aiui
[11:10] <Lathiat> same form factor etc
[11:10] <ogra> yeah, but my guess is pcmcia is the issue here
[11:11] <wasabi_> it's not pcmcia.
[11:14] <seb128> doko: around?
[11:15] <OddAbe19> if i dist-upgraded to breezy, besides the known X issues, what am i going to expect in ways of breakage?
[11:15] <OddAbe19> also.... will keyboard work for EN-US person?
[11:15] <OddAbe19> or is that still an issue
[11:16] <dholbach> OddAbe19: i have a dj-vu
[11:17] <ogra> dholbach, fix the matrix then ;)
[11:17] <dholbach> OddAbe19: you might expect untransitioned/uninstallable packages
[11:17] <martinhj> breezy seems a lot less responsive than hoary in terms of refreshing the view while draging windows around, redrawing the desktop and such.. has it something to do with new X versions?
[11:18] <rtcm> martinhj: stepping my toe here but I guess that's caused by the new gtk based on cairo which still lacks some performance improvements
[11:19] <martinhj> rtcm: oh, so this gtk version is already in breezy? I didn't know..
[11:19] <\sh> Mithrandir: ping please include as well libxss-dev thx :)
[11:19] <dholbach> i'm perfectly content with new gtk responsivitywise
[11:20] <tseng> dholbach++
[11:20] <Mithrandir> \sh: done
[11:21] <\sh> Mithrandir: thx
[11:21] <Burgundavia> it seems only to be the window drawing that seems slow
[11:21] <martinhj> and desktop redrawing here
[11:21] <dholbach> *wave* off again
[11:21] <\sh> cu dholbach have fun and get finished with your work :)
[11:21] <infinity> Well, I already have slow window updating with hoary, so I'm sure I won't notice a difference at all. :)
[11:22] <infinity> (If Xorg knew how to talk to PCIe devices, I'd be happier..)
[11:22] <Lathiat> infinity: xorg doesnt speak to pcie gfx cardS?
[11:22] <Lathiat> that sucks
[11:22] <OddAbe19> dholbach, what did you type? i got jarbled -vu
[11:22] <infinity> Lathiat : It deals with them as raw PCI.
[11:22] <infinity> Lathiat : Which means they're as slow as PCI...
[11:22] <dholbach> OddAbe19: deja-vu
[11:22] <infinity> Lathiat : So, AGP is faster than PCIe, until that gets fixed.
[11:23] <OddAbe19> oh
[11:23] <Lathiat> infinity: ah right
[11:23] <OddAbe19> so generally X is stable right now and works with a dist-upgrade?
[11:23] <OddAbe19> generally speaking
[11:23] <martinhj> OddAbe19: I got a lot of errors, but it runs at least
[11:24] <martinhj> and I can't set the keyboard layout
[11:24] <infinity> martinhj : xkbutils?
[11:26] <marcin> jbailey, ping
[11:26] <martinhj> infinity: at least some errors about something to do with xkb (don't remember what...)
[11:26] <martinhj> could be
[11:27] <Lathiat> whats the fix for cant find font 'fixed' ?
[11:27] <ogra> find the missing mkforntdir
[11:28] <tseng> find? :P
[11:28] <ogra> mkfontdir even
[11:28] <tseng> its nowhere
[11:29] <Lathiat> ah
[11:29] <Lathiat> can somebody send me a copy? :)
[11:31] <rtcm> btw, on which package is xset right now? I don't have it
[11:33] <Kamion> rtcm: none, I think; xbase-clients is still in the middle of modularisation
[11:34] <Kamion> go back to an old xbase-clients if you need to
[11:34] <rtcm> Kamion: ah, thanks, dont need it really
[11:35] <Lathiat> wow ok
[11:35] <Lathiat> so X is mostly working
[11:35] <infinity> martinhj : No, I meant "install xkbutils if you want to be able to set your keyboard layout"
[11:35] <martinhj> infinity: ah, ok.. thanks
[11:37] <Lathiat> Has anyone noticed the issues with icon sizes being used wrongly and no if its reported?
[11:41] <seb128> Lathiat: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311318
[11:41] <Burgundavia> there is a long debate about autopackage in the forums
[11:41] <Lathiat> seb128: ah, upstream, thanks
[11:42] <Burgundavia> seb128, http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12975
[11:43] <seb128> what about it ?
[11:43] <Burgundavia> it is a usablity bug
[11:43] <seb128> bah
[11:44] <Burgundavia> mpt talked about something similar in his 48 hours rant
[11:44] <seb128> reassign this bug to you and move it to an another component if you want
[11:44] <seb128> yeah, gnome-session sucks
[11:44] <seb128> that's known upstream
[11:44] <seb128> 2.14 will use libgnomeservice
[11:44] <seb128> and we are already all sort of rant about it
[11:44] <TerminX> seb128: how long will gedit be broken?
[11:44] <seb128> no new of a new one
[11:44] <Burgundavia> there is that new gnome-session framework thingy coming along, no?
[11:44] <seb128> and I'm too lazy to spend 10 min to point other duplicates
[11:45] <Mithrandir> Burgundavia: 23:44 < seb128> 2.14 will use libgnomeservice
[11:45] <Mithrandir> :-P
[11:45] <Burgundavia> ok
[11:45] <seb128> too lazy or too busy
[11:45] <seb128> anyway this bug has no interest
[11:45] <Burgundavia> if upstream knows about it, then it is not a major issue
[11:45] <Burgundavia> I will leave it
[11:45] <TerminX> if I try to open a file on a mounted SMB share in gedit, I get (gedit:23658): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_file_system_path_is_local: assertion `path != NULL' failed
[11:46] <seb128> TerminX: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=310270
[11:47] <seb128> that's probably the same issue
[11:47] <TerminX> yeah, I think it is.. looks like EOG crashes here too
[11:48] <martinhj> I got a problem with the Ubuntu kernels... acpi-events does not work...that means that the battery in the gnome panel does not work as it should.. the same issue in hoary and breezy.. in hoary I fixed it with another kernel that was in universe I think (2.11 instead of the ubuntu ones), but now I'm testing breezy the same bug is back
[11:49] <TerminX> seb128: so is there a fix for it?
[11:49] <martinhj> is it a known bug?
[11:50] <seb128> TerminX: no
[11:53] <infinity> martinhj : Not known to me. What kind of hardware is this?... ACPI works for me on my two laptops.
[11:53] <infinity> martinhj : Also, you might want to try talking to mjg59, he's the laptop team lead and resident ACPI guru.
[11:55] <Mez> elmo: ping
[11:56] <sladen> martinhj: what make/model of laptop do you have?
[11:56] <martinhj> infinity: it's an acer travelmate 620
[11:56] <sladen> martinhj: have you tried with any previous Linux install and had them work?
[11:56] <sladen> martinhj: or is this a case of ''they've never worked''?
[11:57] <martinhj> sladen: as I wrote, I got the same problem with hoary, but I fixed useing another kernel than the Ubuntu onw
[11:57] <Mez> infinity: did you sort that thing with backports on the buildd yet?
[11:57] <martinhj> one
[11:57] <seb128> Burgundavia: when clicking on "cancel" of the "open ftp..." dialog, I get a dialog saying it can't open the folder but no retry/hang
[11:57] <sladen> martinhj: what was the 'other kernel' you used?
[11:57] <martinhj> sladen: one in hoary universe I think
[11:57] <martinhj> sladen: I can check it
[11:57] <Burgundavia> seb128, hmm
[11:58] <sladen> martinhj: it would be useful, then we can track down what changed!
[11:59] <martinhj> sladen: 2.6.11-1-686 in hoary's universe
[11:59] <Burgundavia> seb128, I assume you are running .90
[12:00] <seb128> yep
[12:00] <sladen> martinhj: and what's the one that doesn't work?
[12:00] <martinhj> sladen: (2.6.11-0.2
[12:00] <martinhj> sladen: not that one
[12:00] <Burgundavia> seb128, leave them and needinfo for now. I will try with the colony 3 livecd
[12:00] <tseng> daniels: hell yeah xrdb
[12:00] <infinity> Mez : I handed it off to elmo to investigate his end of things, I'll follow up with him later on.
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[12:16] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] PackageVersionVerification (patch-2174)
[12:36] <dilys> New Malone bug 1591 filed on Bazaar by Matthieu Moy: baz rm non-existant-file should give a clean error message.
[12:36] <dilys> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/1591
[12:42] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: Add Soyuz legalese. r=sabdfl (patch-2175: [email protected])
[01:09] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] fixes to various page titles (patch-2176: [email protected])
[02:22] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: Fix checkwatches.py, take 2: s/logger/log and other randomness, r=stub (patch-2177: [email protected])
[10:40] <carlos> morning
[10:49] <elmo> ok, wiki migrated - until DNS propogates (30 mins or so), an editable copy is reachable via https://wiki2.launchpad.canonical.com/ (NB: https till DNS propogates)
[10:49] <elmo> the old one is uneditable, so don't worry about editing the wrong one
[10:50] <carlos> elmo, what changes with that migration?
[10:50] <elmo> oh, y'all have to use your launchpad login now
[10:50] <elmo> carlos: I've no idea, I just got "MOIN 1.3 NOW. SCHNELLE, SCHNELLE, BITTE" orders from brazil
[10:51] <carlos> ok, so it's a version update
[10:51] <carlos> + launchpad integration
[10:51] <jordi> hello
[10:52] <carlos> jordi, !
[10:52] <carlos> jordi, tonight acs, Kal, xavi de blast and Ismael will be in my house having dinner, do you want to come?
[10:59] <jordi> carlos: I can't, I have another one :(
[10:59] <carlos> ok
[11:36] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] Improve descriptions in registry interfaces (patch-2178: [email protected])
[01:55] <kiko> ahoy
[01:56] <Kinnison> ahoyhoy kiko
[01:56] <kiko> the pillowman
[02:17] <carlos> SteveA, hi, around?
[02:54] <SteveA> hi carlos
[02:54] <SteveA> i'm around
[02:55] <carlos> SteveA, launchpad.Append does not exists
[02:56] <carlos> also, https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/1564 -> a bug I think it's related with the sqlobject garbage collector, that bug is a bit critical for Rosetta
[02:57] <daf> carlos: have you tried using row.expire()?
[02:58] <carlos> daf, no, I didn't
[02:58] <carlos> the problem is that I need to change it, commit and ask stub to run it
[02:58] <SteveA> carlos: I said:
[02:58] <SteveA> Add a launchpad.Append permission to permissions.zcml. Make this
[02:58] <SteveA> permission be used for the +addpotemplate form.
[02:58] <carlos> daf, anyway, it's still a bug
[02:58] <SteveA>
[02:58] <carlos> oh, ok, I missed that part
[02:58] <carlos> SteveA, thank you
[03:02] <Kinnison> fortunately he then ran off
[03:16] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial, rs=sabdfl] Tighten comment spacing in bug report pages (patch-2179: [email protected])
[03:19] <SteveA> carlos: hello
[03:19] <SteveA> carlos: stub and i have been looking at the memory issues when running that script
[03:20] <SteveA> carlos: stu will try another run of it in an hour or so
[03:23] <carlos> ok
[03:23] <carlos> SteveA, is it related to the way I implemented it?
[03:23] <carlos> or it's a problem with sqlobject?
[03:23] <SteveA> you're doing a commit every so often
[03:23] <SteveA> the caches should be cleared out on a commit
[03:23] <carlos> once per row
[03:23] <SteveA> although, you may need to explicitly del and run gc some things. we'll see how the next run goes.
[03:24] <SteveA> running one commit per row may end up being very slow, but it's a good enough start.
[03:24] <SteveA> holding onto objects across a commit is a bit dodgy
[03:24] <SteveA> so, you should probably get a list of ids
[03:24] <SteveA> and then for each id, get the object of that id, do the work, commit
[03:25] <SteveA> that avoids the problem of hanging onto objects across a commit
[03:32] <carlos> SteveA, ok, will take into account it for the next script of that kind I develop
[03:32] <SteveA> please rewrite this one
[03:32] <carlos> in case next run works....
[03:32] <SteveA> to use a list of ids
[03:32] <SteveA> even if it works, it will be a source of bugs
[03:32] <SteveA> because we shouldn't be holding onto objects across a commit
[03:32] <carlos> SteveA, once it's executed the script will not be needed anymore
[03:32] <SteveA> also, stub says that the latest sqlobject fixes don't fix it
[03:32] <carlos> it's a migration script
[03:33] <SteveA> 1. if it will remain in RF, it needs to be right. 2. it still doesn't work.
[03:33] <carlos> ok
[03:33] <SteveA> for point 1, other people will be using it as an example of how to write this kind of code.
[03:34] <carlos> SteveA, If it will stay in RF after the migration is done, we should find a better place to store those kind of scripts than the pending db directory
[03:34] <SteveA> ok
[03:35] <daf> see also database/schema/pending/daf-migrate-pre-po-template-rawfile-2.py
[03:38] <carlos> ok
[03:40] <daf> (it's been there for months and months)
[03:43] <carlos> daf, anyway the amount of potemplates and pofiles is lower than the amount of potranslations
[03:43] <carlos> daf, so perhaps you don't have the memory problem because that
[03:43] <daf> sure
[03:44] <daf> I was just pointing it out as another example of a Python data migration script
[03:44] <daf> we were having problems with the query to get PO files pending import running out of memory
[03:44] <daf> you remember?
[03:47] <carlos> daf, but that was because the attachments being huge, right?
[03:47] <daf> yes
[03:48] <daf> that script had that problem
[03:48] <daf> because it needed to get all the attachments
[03:48] <daf> and put them in the Librarian
[04:10] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial, rs=sabdfl] Tighten comment spacing in bug report pages (take 2) (patch-2180)
[04:46] <mdke> what infrastructure does launchpad use for authentication? is there any information about it anywhere that I can have a look at?
[04:46] <daf> infrastructure?
[04:47] <mdke> i've found a page on the wiki... it refers to ZODB
[04:48] <mdke> that is where the account information is stored i guess?
[04:48] <daf> no
[04:48] <daf> account information is stored in Postgres
[04:48] <daf> the ZODB is used for session information
[04:49] <mdke> ok...
[04:50] <mdke> i don't know what either of them are anyhow :)
[04:50] <bob2> ZODB = Z Object database
[04:50] <bob2> which i a python object persistence deal
[04:51] <daf> yep
[04:51] <daf> whereas Postgres is a relational database
[04:51] <mdke> so the authentication server is the latter?
[04:52] <daf> it's a bit more complicated than that
[04:52] <mdke> damn
[04:52] <daf> there is a daemon called the authserver
[04:53] <daf> when somebody logs in to Launchpad, it asks the authserver if the account is valid
[04:53] <daf> the authserver looks in Postgres
[04:53] <daf> Launchpad uses the ZODB to keep track of which users are logged in
[04:53] <mdke> ok
[04:53] <mdke> so on something like www.ubuntu.com, ZODB isn't used at all, only the authserver
[04:53] <daf> other things like wikis use the authserver for authentication
[04:54] <bob2> why doesn't LP hit the db itself?
[04:54] <daf> bob2: so that authentication code for all our services is in one place, I'd imagine
[04:54] <mdke> daf, is the authserver like an ldap server?
[04:54] <daf> mdke: I'm not sure how one does authenticatoin with LDAP, so I can't say
[04:55] <mdke> ah ok
[04:55] <daf> I don't think www.ubuntu.com uses the ZODB, no
[04:55] <mdke> so in theory, anything can use the auth server?
[04:55] <mdke> if for example ubuntuforums wanted to unify their login, they could do it?
[04:57] <daf> hmm
[04:57] <daf> good question
[04:57] <daf> in principle, yes
[04:57] <ddaa> graaaagrl... recent update broken my firefox :(
[04:57] <daf> there may be some problems with the authserver being firewalled off
[04:58] <bob2> ddaa: I need to ask you about pybaz and debian at some point
[04:58] <bob2> ie is the public version api-stable enough
[04:58] <mdke> daf, sure, but in principle yes.
[04:58] <ddaa> bob2: hehe
[04:58] <mdke> daf, is there anything I can read on how the authserver works?
[04:58] <ddaa> FYI. the public version == the canonical version, I merge into rocketfuel from the ddaa.net devo branch
[04:59] <bob2> I'd hope that wouldn't expose any account data to whoever ran ubuntuforums
[04:59] <bob2> ddaa: ah, cool
[04:59] <ddaa> Stability wise...
[04:59] <daf> mdke: dunno
[04:59] <ddaa> well... it's not really clear... There are some big changes right now because archive registration is being phased out of baz
[04:59] <daf> mdke: it's spiv who wrote it
[04:59] <mdke> daf, i'll search around on the wiki
[05:00] <ddaa> I mean, "registered names" are being phased out
[05:00] <bob2> ah, right
[05:00] <daf> it's a fairly simple thing that uses Twisted, as far as I know
[05:01] <ddaa> But generally, lack of time to work on it, and generally lack of future for all this code base means I just do not have the time to fix the broken API, so it's likely as stable as it will ever be.
[05:01] <ddaa> (though I hope to remove all the deprecated stuff soon)
[05:01] <ddaa> When I'm reasonably satisfied of pybaz, I release it on ddaa.net
[05:01] <bob2> is deprecated stuff marked with warnings?
[05:02] <mdke> daf, thanks for your help :D
[05:02] <ddaa> bob2: yes it is
[05:02] <daf> mdke: no worries
[05:02] <bob2> rock
[05:02] <carlos> hmm
[05:02] <carlos> lifeless, did you changed "baz diff" recently?
[05:03] <carlos> lifeless, https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/fileiZSVkG.html
[05:05] <jamesh> carlos: s/launchpa--devel--0/launchpad--devel--0/ ?
[05:05] <carlos> yeah, I just saw it
[05:05] <carlos> jamesh, thanks anyway
[05:05] <ddaa> bob2: I have learn a thing with pybaz...
[05:05] <carlos> btw, bazaar error messages are a bit cryptic, aren't they?
[05:06] <ddaa> When you have an API that is broken in a way that cannot be fixed with a deprecation path (e.g. WorkingTree deriving from str), just fix it NOW.
[05:07] <ddaa> because you'd rather have such a fix behind you than in front of you...
[05:10] <bob2> haha
[05:10] <bob2> yeah
[05:29] <jblack> Morning guys
[05:29] <carlos> jblack, morning
[05:38] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial, rs=sabdfl] Tighten comment spacing in bug report pages (take 3) (patch-2181)
[05:38] <jblack> ddaa: I took a look at your docs yesterday. What about % of the api did you deprecate?
[05:40] <ddaa> mh... I guess about 20%... certainly more if you weight by use...
[05:40] <jblack> Heh. Yeah. Looks to me like I'm about 80% affected. =)
[05:40] <jblack> You're getting rid of the lists. What should I be using instead? (The deprecations don't say what they're deprecated by)
[05:41] <ddaa> Yeah, the bits that were deprecated tend to be frequently used in client code.
[05:42] <ddaa> sorry, but providing lists of that can be _long_, take a long time to produce due to network delays, and that are mutable by changes outside of the system, was very much a bad idea.
[05:43] <jblack> I know you think very carefully about how your choices affect people, so I know that you had good reasons.
[05:44] <jblack> So I'm looking at it from the perspective of how to get this code back in line with the direction you're moving.
[05:44] <ddaa> I think the ChangeLog should give you the patterns you need to grep for.
[05:45] <jblack> For categories, branches and versions, there's NameIterables. What's the archive equivilant?
[05:45] <ddaa> Hu?
[05:45] <ddaa> NameIterables?
[05:45] <jblack> CategoryIterable, BranchIterable, VersionIterable
[05:46] <ddaa> Exposing this stuff was sooo crackful... it's all about reducing duplication of code and making pychecker happy...
[05:46] <ddaa> Archive equivalent: "arch.archives()" -> "pybaz.iter_archives()"
[05:47] <ddaa> that's one of those ones where the renaming does not really make sense by itself, only for consistence with other changes.
[05:47] <jblack> Aha. Here it is. (Finally found the archive summary)
[05:47] <jblack> pardon, the function summary
[05:49] <jblack> I should be fine now.
[06:03] <ddaa> lifeless: looks like that old bug with missing branch name
[06:04] <ddaa> File "/home/importd/dists/launchpad/lib/CVS/CacheGenerator.py", line 92, in cleanUpDefaultFillers
[06:04] <ddaa> endFileRev = self.findLastFileRevision(rev.branch, rev.filename)
[06:04] <ddaa> File "/home/importd/dists/launchpad/lib/CVS/CacheGenerator.py", line 124, in findLastFileRevision
[06:04] <ddaa> return self.fileInChangeset(self._catalog.getBranch(branchName).getChangesetList()[-1] , fileName)
[06:04] <ddaa> IndexError: list index out of range
[06:04] <ddaa> Would take me _days_ to figure out how to fix it.
[06:06] <lifeless> ddaa: try nuking all state and resetting it back to enabled, nbot syncing. I bet it will come good.
[06:06] <lifeless> ddaa: I won't be able to look at it for 3-4 weeks :[
[06:06] <ddaa> mh... has not been published... should be legal to do that...
[06:12] <jblack> bleh.
[06:19] <carlos> lifeless, jblack, ddaa: https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/filesWFX6W.html
[06:20] <kiko-fud> salgado, BjornT: http://www.squarefree.com/bugkarma/bugkarma.html
[06:28] <ddaa> mh... IIRC, that one looks like a different failure
[06:30] <carlos> lifeless, ddaa jblack any suggestion to be able to commit? I'm blocked on that problem with bazaar
[06:31] <ddaa> carlos: try using 1.4.N
[06:31] <ddaa> (where N is the latest release, whatever it is ATM)
[06:32] <ddaa> looks like the kind of resource-handling issues that are bound to pop up with the changes lifeless is doing in 1.5. Extra point for making it reproducible.
[06:34] <carlos> ddaa, I can give you my current tree
[06:35] <carlos> ddaa, ok, I will revert to hoary's bazaar
[06:35] <lifeless> carlos: what is the error ?
[06:35] <ddaa> https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/filesWFX6W.html
[06:35] <lifeless> carlos: I'm at the end of a long thin pipe, web pages DoNotHelp
[06:35] <ddaa> carlos: current tree would certainly help
[06:37] <carlos> lifeless, /pqm/build_dir/[email protected]/[email protected]/src/hackerlab/vu/vfdbuf.c:1681:botched invariant
[06:37] <carlos> avail >= count
[06:37] <carlos> baz: uncaught exception: -1:(exiting on botched invariant)
[06:37] <carlos> please report this as a bug to [email protected]
[06:37] <carlos> lifeless, I get that with a commit
[06:37] <ddaa> just after the changeset generation
[06:37] <carlos> ddaa, ok, I suppose a tar.gz would be enough, right?
[06:37] <lifeless> carlos: thanks. That is new and interesting :[
[06:38] <ddaa> carlos: bz2 preferred, considered the size of a launchpad tree nowadays
[06:38] <lifeless> carlos: I'm fixing now, rollback a few baz's to get it fixed in the interim
[06:38] <lifeless> carlos: no need to send the tree around
[06:39] <carlos> ok
[06:41] <lifeless> fixed, testing
[06:42] <carlos> is it too bad if I go back to 1.2?
[06:42] <carlos> it's the version available with hoary
[06:43] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] Fixed the permissions for the addpotemplate form + test r=Steve (it's not really a review but implemented the way he asked) (patch-2182: [email protected])
[06:44] <carlos> stub, lifeless could you cherrypick that patch? ^^^
[06:47] <lifeless> carlos: fixed, uploading
[06:57] <carlos> lifeless, cool, thanks
[07:04] <lifeless> sprint guys : kiko, me, stevea and mark are in a meeting for the next 60 minutes odd - please take care of yourselves/next break etc.
[07:04] <lifeless> Kinnison: ^^
[07:05] <SteveA> well, i was going to announce it in 5 mins
[07:08] <dilys> New Malone bug 1597 filed on Bazaar by David Allouche: baz switch to fail with unrelated revision
[07:08] <dilys> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/1597
[07:10] <kiko-fud> ddaa!
[07:10] <ddaa> kiko-fud: ?
[07:11] <kiko-fud> I didn't get a chance to say bye, how was your trip home?
[07:12] <ddaa> unexpectedly lengthy (as I lost my password on the bus to Sao Paulo) but otherwise reasonably pleasant (as Varig changed my ticket for free for the day after, and I got a business class seat).
[07:13] <kiko-fud> ddaa, password?
[07:13] <ddaa> hu... passport
[07:13] <ddaa> same difference :)
[07:13] <kiko-fud> you're joking?
[07:13] <ddaa> no, I'm not
[07:14] <ddaa> It was reasonably easy to get a right-of-the-way at the french consulate, and a helpful .br policeman at the airport put me on the track.
[07:17] <kiko-fud> where did you sleep?
[07:18] <ddaa> NH hotel near the consulate, they had a week-end price (about R$150)
[07:18] <lifeless> thats like 2francs right ?
[07:18] <ddaa> I'll try to expense it though
[07:19] <ddaa> lifeless: no, that's more like 300FF
[07:19] <ddaa> or 60 eurs
[07:21] <ddaa> I could have found cheaper, but I decided it was too much to ask at midnight, with my luggage, in a foreign country whose language I do not speak :)
[07:22] <lifeless> yah
[07:22] <lifeless> should be expensable I think
[07:26] <jblack> lifeless: porting to pybaz looks easy enough. Got reminded in a bad way that elmo hasn't fixed pydavlib.
[07:29] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/dists--bazaar--1.5: new build (patch-57)
[07:29] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/hackerlab--devo--1.5: unbreak vfd buffers where a write is smaller than the current buffer size increase (patch-12: [email protected])
[07:33] <lifeless> carlos: ^^ the fix.
[07:33] <carlos> lifeless, thanks!
[07:46] <ddaa> lifeless: cannot run importd locally... looks like your "reconnection" hack broke something.
[07:46] <ddaa> haha...
[07:47] <lifeless> ddaa - /my/ reconnection hack ?
[07:47] <ddaa> Must be the removal of implicit begin...
[07:47] <lifeless> oh, db reconnection.
[07:47] <lifeless> command line runner you mean ?
[07:47] <ddaa> nah buildbot... but actually it's not your hack
[07:48] <ddaa> well, it's the "spiv who is reviewing this suggested this XXX abstraction violation. RBC 20050608"
[07:50] <ddaa> yeah, working now
[07:50] <lifeless> do not be doing that in production
[07:50] <lifeless> I'd like to know why its not working locally for you
[07:51] <ddaa> that's because it's doing txn.abort() before the first txn.begin() in jobsFromDB when the service was not setup (i.e. pristine tap).
[07:54] <ddaa> mh... probably the sqlos reconnection broke the assuption that SQLBase._connection was not None when no transaction was begun.
[07:54] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--production--1.26: Cherry pick patch-2177 into production (patch-4: [email protected], [email protected])
[08:00] <lifeless> jobsFromDB should do what hte test I did does and check for a transaction then
[08:01] <ddaa> lifeless: the issue is almost certainly the fact that production launchpad is based on 1.22, then
[08:02] <ddaa> I'm being called
[08:03] <ddaa> I'll look into upgrading importd's launchpad soon.
[08:05] <Kinnison> Can the launchpad webapp launch a long-running process to run in the background?
[08:06] <SteveA> um
[08:06] <SteveA> sounds yucky
[08:06] <Kinnison> I want to trigger a germinate run on a web request, but not hold the request until the germinate completes
[08:06] <Kinnison> It could be a thread, I don't mind that
[08:06] <SteveA> we need to talk about this
[08:07] <SteveA> there are many complexities here
[08:07] <Kinnison> okay
[08:07] <lifeless> rosettas export process is a good example of a resasonable approach
[08:07] <SteveA> for example, we'll have many server machines with many launchpad webapp servers on them
[08:07] <SteveA> ideally, you'd use the database to signal to the germinate box
[08:08] <SteveA> the database is our central point of coordination
[08:08] <lifeless> i think there is a clear line to these things - either they are near-instant or they get queued and processed asynchronsouly
[08:08] <Kinnison> Okay, so I have to queue them? Hmm
[08:08] <Kinnison> That's fine
[08:08] <SteveA> okay
[08:08] <SteveA> if you need it more responsive, we can do something about that. but i'd rather not.
[08:09] <Kinnison> naah, a cronscript will be fine
[08:09] <SteveA> good
[08:22] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--production--1.26: Cherry pick patch-2182 into production (patch-5: [email protected], [email protected])
[08:23] <carlos> stub, lifeless thanks
[08:58] <carlos> mpt, ping
[10:00] <carlos> Kinnison, hi, around?
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[12:02] <apokryphos> comps/'puters/computers
[12:02] <nikkia> i've only ever once bought a pre-built x86 machine, and that was a laptop :P
[12:03] <apokryphos> only thing we've bought prebuilt in the last, say, 5 years has been laptops too
[12:03] <nikkia> i always buy components, usally online
[12:03] <apokryphos> If you ever come down, there's a really great computer market in central London
[12:03] <apokryphos> really very cheap things
[12:04] <ray_> brb
[12:05] <nikkia> apokryphos: anyway, it turned out ok, cos i needed to order some CD-Rs of the same brand anyway
[12:05] <nikkia> the J&R inkjet printable CDRs i have, aren't
[12:06] <nikkia> and i know the data-write inkjet stuff comes out looking like a commercial DVD :)
[12:09] <apokryphos> nikkia: Nice. I wanna go for the dual layer DVD writer hopefully, with my next comp
[12:09] <apokryphos> look very nice
[12:10] <nikkia> apokryphos: i bought a dual-layer drive, haven't used it as dual-layer yet :P
[12:10] <nikkia> tho i noticed when i was ordering the dvd's and cd's today, that +r dual layer media is down to 2.30/disc
[12:11] <apokryphos> that seems like a mighty-lot
[12:11] <nikkia> quite a jump from a year ago when i bought the drive, when it was 15/disc
[12:13] <apokryphos> Heh. I always buy things after the initial full-hype
[12:13] <nikkia> apokryphos: the problem with dual-layer, is that we lost :(
[12:14] <nikkia> -R dual layer was a better option
[12:14] <nikkia> but afaik, there still aren't any -R dual layer burners on the market - despite the fact that you could buy -R dual layer media a year ago
[12:15] <nikkia> apokryphos: two competing DVD writable formats, -R and +R
[12:15] <apokryphos> oh right, yes.
[12:15] <apokryphos> there aren't ones that handle both, are you sure?
[12:16] <nikkia> -R is more compatible, and with dual-layer, -R was the full 8.7GB (metric) of space, whereas +R loses 300MB (metric) to 8.5GB (metric)
[12:16] <nikkia> apokryphos: there are -R/+R combo burners, mine does it
[12:16] <nikkia> but not -R dual layer
[12:16] <nikkia> the only -R dual layer burner announced was the Pioneer A09/109, but it was shipped without dual layer support 'to be added as a firmware update at a later date', afaik that firmware never came
[12:17] <apokryphos> suffice it to say the 300meg there wouldn't bother me much
[12:17] <apokryphos> also, more compatible with what?
[12:17] <apokryphos> Aren't most DVD drives -R/+R readable?
[12:17] <nikkia> apokryphos: it can be important if you're trying to do 'un-recompressed' copies of commercial discs
[12:17] <nikkia> apokryphos: -R is more compatible with DVD video players
[12:17] <nikkia> and older DVD-ROMs
[12:18] <nikkia> on the other hand, +RW is better than -RW, but again, you lose some space
[12:18] <apokryphos> Out of interest, why's it better?
[12:19] <nikkia> most of the difference there is that +RW doesn't need to be 'written' like a CD/DVD, you can just write a header then start writing to it where you want, stop, update the header, write some more, etc
[12:19] <apokryphos> do disks necessarily have to be +/- ?
[12:20] <nikkia> -RW requires a proper 'format', and so for use in DVD recorders (the video kind) they do a trick to get around that, but it means that to play back a -RW recorded in a DVD recorder, on a DVD player, you have to finalise it which means you can no longer edit/record to it
[12:21] <apokryphos> When I first heard of the distinction I just thought it would be like the same old rivalry that I thought there was with floppy disks etc. but it seems to have gone on for quite some time
[12:21] <Riggzy_Linux> Daang this sucks...
[12:21] <nikkia> if i take a +RW disk out of my DVD recorder, i can just drop it in my PC and watch it (assuming i haven't edited any of the video segments on it, the moment i do that it becomes a DVD+VR disk, which requires non-standard DVD playback software)
[12:21] <Riggzy_Linux> OpenGL and my sound suddenly stopped working
[12:25] <apokryphos> nikkia: I see
[12:26] <nikkia> apokryphos: which reminds me...
[12:26] <nikkia> i need to edit down the live8 recordings to something i can send my mother, soon
[12:27] <apokryphos> nikkia: it was great, wasn't it? Was working that night so saw pretty much all of the one in America, too
[12:27] <nikkia> apok, i left the DVD recorder recording til 3am, in a vein hope of catching the deep purple segment at the canada concert
[12:28] <nikkia> but i don't believe they showed any of the canada concert :(
[12:28] <apokryphos> Probably small snippets, but not full coverage or anything, nope.
[12:28] <apokryphos> They sent Norton to America though :|
[12:29] <crimsun> who would want to watch Deep Purple with their terrible guitar player anyhow? :P
[12:29] <nikkia> crimsun: who IS their guitarist these days?
[12:29] <crimsun> Steve Morse, of course, arguably the best ever.
[12:29] <nikkia> ah
[12:29] <nikkia> i wasn't sure if he was still with them :P
[12:29] <nikkia> you know how the lineup changes, weekly
[12:29] <crimsun> yup. I watched some live8 clips on aol.com
[12:30] <Firetech> koffice 1.4.1 released and noone told me? :(
[12:30] <nikkia> i heard an interview with glover a few weeks ago, where he talked about wanting to get clapton to play as their guitarist 'cos he's not been in deep purple, yet', but i suspect he was joking
[12:30] <crimsun> haha, I wouldn't be surprised either way
[12:31] <nikkia> there's only one band that has had more line-up changes :P
[12:32] <nikkia> that being... black sabbath, they've had a total of close to 40 lineups over the years
[12:32] <apokryphos> Firetech: subscribe to kde-announce -- it's good for that. Or at least to dot.kde.org ;-)
[12:35] <Firetech> "The packages do not ship with Kexi which is being packaged separately to get the latest Kexi version."
[12:35] <Firetech> what does that mean?
[12:37] <Firetech> besides the fact that kexi isn't included, that is... (What I don't understand is why)
[12:39] <nikkia> Firetech: because kexi changes more often than KDE does
[12:39] <nikkia> or koffice, whatever
[12:40] <Firetech> ok
[12:43] <Firetech> hmm, shouldn't KDE 3.4.2 be released today, or did the 3.5 branching come first?
[12:48] <apokryphos> Firetech: straight to 3.5, I believe
[12:48] <Firetech> the targeted reease date for 3.4.2 was today... And there is no date for the 3.5 release :(
[12:51] <apokryphos> there isn't one yet, that's why
[12:51] <apokryphos> too early to give a clear indication
[12:53] <Mez> 3.4.2 = 28th not 26th, so it's tomorrow
[12:54] <_shawn_> hi could soimeone tell me how to apply a .diff it seems I have to do so to get live365 working with streamtuner.
[12:56] <Mez> _shawn_, cat bla.diff | patch -p1
[01:04] <Firetech> Mez: I've got jet lag or something... It is 1:03 AM on the 27th here... I didn't think about it being tomorrow already...
[01:08] <Mez> :P
[01:08] <Mez> tomorrow = 28th :D
[01:08] <Mez> 3.4.2 release = 28th, not 26th
[01:11] <Firetech> it says 27th on http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-3.4-release-plan.html
[01:14] <Firetech> and it's only 1:14 into the 27th (CEST)
[01:16] <_shawn_> thanks Mez
[01:18] <Mez> oh, yeah
[01:18] <Mez> lol - I musta misreda it
[01:23] <alex88> what are the difference from hoary and warty ?
[01:23] <alex88> it's like stable and testing in debian ?
[01:23] <alex88> witch is more recently ?
[01:24] <alex88> which
[01:25] <apokryphos> alex88: Hoary. It's the current stable release
[01:25] <alex88> apokryphos, so warty is unstable ?
[01:26] <apokryphos> alex88: no; it was the prevoius stable
[01:26] <alex88> doesn't exist a unstable/testing branch like in debian ?
[01:26] <apokryphos> Yes, there's Breezy. But you shouldn't use it
[01:26] <alex88> anyway thx for help
[01:26] <apokryphos> (not yet, at least) -- it's in very early stages
[01:26] <alex88> why ?
[01:27] <alex88> thx
[01:27] <apokryphos> many broken things
[01:27] <alex88> now i get update
[01:32] <Mez> technically there's grumpy as well
[01:32] <Mez> but i dont think thats started yet
[01:32] <apokryphos> Do they still use that?
[01:50] <nikkia> hmmm, i wonder if bleeding eyes is a symptom of working too hard :/
[01:56] <apokryphos> nikkia: your eyes are bleeding? :|
[01:57] <nikkia> apokryphos: on and off
[01:58] <apokryphos> nikkia: either you're into drugs, or something else is really bad -- you should get that checked out, seriously.
[01:58] <nikkia> never done any drugs in my life
[01:58] <apokryphos> except computers, you mean? 8)
[01:58] <apokryphos> does it hurt?
[02:00] <nikkia> a touch
[02:00] <apokryphos> nikkia: got a decent screen?
[02:05] <nikkia> apokryphos: yeah, its not bad, its lack of sleep more than staring at the screen
[02:05] <apokryphos> Sounds really serious, though; it's a possible sympton for quite a few things, I see, from being diabetic to eating disorders
[02:06] <crimsun> it's pretty rare for diabetes, though.
[02:07] <nikkia> apokryphos: i've had it before, it just seems to be something that happens about a step or two beyond 'bloodshot'
[02:09] <apokryphos> nikkia: never really seen it, though; except on a few people who were beaten up. Surely you don't get less sleep than Thatcher's/Napoleon's 4 hours :P
[02:09] <apokryphos> Used to have a couple of insomniac friends; don't recall them having it, though I'm sure different things affect people in different ways
[02:10] <nikkia> i think i've had about 5 hours, in the last 3 days *shrug*
[02:10] <apokryphos> oh my
[02:11] <ray_> nikkia: you told me before about using a different command instead of sudo kcontrol....i forget what it was..u mind informing me again
[02:11] <nikkia> kdesu kcontrol
[02:11] <apokryphos> nikkia: That's really bad for you, though I'm sure you know. Most research says 9/10 (despite people thinking it's 8) a night. Why so little?
[02:11] <ray_> nikkia: oh thank you very much
[02:11] <spermie_411> im gettting this in snaptic W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_universe_binary-i386_Packages)
[02:12] <apokryphos> spermie_411: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and remove teh duplicate
[02:12] <gigglingsniper> i'
[02:12] <nikkia> apokryphos: the project i'm working on is for a spanish company, its currently july 27th
[02:13] <gigglingsniper> am upgrading my kde but i receive a error about not signed why is this happenning its from kubuntu.org why no signed like ubuntu server in synaptic?
[02:13] <apokryphos> gigglingsniper: anything you add ot the sources.list won't be automatically signed, though they may do that for the future.
[02:13] <apokryphos> gigglingsniper: check the kudos guide on how to fix that, though
[02:13] <nikkia> apokryphos: and they want it *before* they take their 'we're lazy spaniards, so we're gonna close the company for august and go sit in the sun'
[02:14] <gigglingsniper> apokryphos, link?
[02:14] <apokryphos> !kudos
[02:14] <ubotu> from memory, kudos is at Multi-page: http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf.html Single-page (large): http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html Unofficial Kubuntu FAQ by Chua Wen Kiat
[02:14] <gigglingsniper> very glad to thank you !
[02:14] <apokryphos> nikkia: work... darn. I'd probably go mad with too much work -- need flexibility.
[02:14] <gigglingsniper> apokryphos, very glad to thank you
[02:14] <apokryphos> no worries
[02:15] <ray_> how much lag do you guys have?
[02:15] <apokryphos> 52 ms
[02:15] <ray_> ok
[02:16] <ray_> my network has been so slow all day
[02:16] <apokryphos> ray_: how much you been gettin'?
[02:16] <ray_> like sometimes it is 27 seconds!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:17] <ray_> im gonna try and reset my router.....
[02:17] <gigglingsniper> is it bad when you clean your computer with an air can to blow the fans until they make strange noise and go fast without power?
[02:17] <apokryphos> ray_: wow, that is really bad, yeah.
[02:17] <gigglingsniper> this is how i clean them
[02:18] <ray_> well ill be right back
[02:18] <apokryphos> gigglingsniper: could be dangerous. Processors can die within a matter of seconds if the fan is blocked
[02:18] <spermie_411> # deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-security main restricted
[02:18] <spermie_411> # deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-security main restricted
[02:18] <apokryphos> gigglingsniper: oh wait, it should be fine if your computer is off, yes.
[02:18] <apokryphos> (generally :P)
[02:18] <spermie_411> dont i take the # off
[02:19] <apokryphos> spermie_411: to enable that repository, yes.
[02:19] <gigglingsniper> apokryphos, very good i clean them weekly
[02:19] <apokryphos> gigglingsniper: I clean mine... probably about once a year. :P
[02:19] <apokryphos> just use the hoover
[02:19] <gigglingsniper> apokryphos, i wash my motherboard last week it require several weeks to dry but it smells better
[02:20] <apokryphos> :|
[02:20] <apokryphos> if it's smelling really bad something is going wrong, though.
[02:20] <gigglingsniper> no choice friends spill beer on it
[02:21] <gigglingsniper> you see, I run my cpu with no case
[02:21] <gigglingsniper> it much to hot with case so i remove case and it much cooler
[02:21] <apokryphos> beer - heh. Why no case?
[02:21] <apokryphos> oh
[02:22] <apokryphos> you should just invest in a better fan
[02:22] <apokryphos> or make a proper cooling system, if it really gets that hot.
[02:22] <apokryphos> with one fan at the bottom blowing in, and one at the other side blowing out
[02:22] <gigglingsniper> what fan you say to get?
[02:23] <gigglingsniper> I do try that with fan in and fan out but case much too hot
[02:23] <apokryphos> any type of supercoolwow! fan. Really, I wouldn't know; I always just ask a particualr guy when I want hardware
[02:23] <gigglingsniper> very glad to thank you !
[02:23] <manuel_> Hi, where do I find the kde tray application that lets you switch screen resolutions?
[02:24] <apokryphos> manuel_: alt+f2 -> krandrtray
[02:24] <manuel_> cool, thanks :)
[02:25] <drummer> Hello - I have a printer that keeps saying it's processing a job then nothing prints - can any of you help?
[02:27] <drummer> hello?
[02:29] <gigglingsniper> it most favorite linux of mine
[02:32] <ray_> ok something is wrong....how can i reconfigure my network card?
[02:35] <ray_> ok brb
[02:35] <pax> ray_: /etc/network/interfaces
[02:35] <ray_> gonna try a live cd ...see if it is hardware related
[02:36] <pax> or use kcontrol > internet & network > network settings
[02:42] <ralph1> Hi all
[02:45] <ralph1> I am having a problem uploading a file to ftp://upload.sourceforge.net/incoming. Gftp and Kbear are both able to open the site's root directory, but are unable to open the incoming subdirectory. Gftp status transfer faild(unable to open directory, Kbear just crashes. Can anyone help?
[02:46] <apokryphos> ralph1: try Konqueror?
[02:46] <apokryphos> though GFTP isn't that bad -- it should work
[02:48] <ray_> yeah still slow using damn small.....also my xp machine is slow......damn
[02:48] <ray_> i just don't get it ..... it must be a problem with comcast
[02:54] <ralph1> apokryphos: Thanks for reply. I think this is working. Konq opens the site root directory, then when the incoming directory is selected it changes directorys, but show no files etc. This I expected, as the directory is anonymus upload only no down loading. I then did a copy of the file I wanted to the directory and a transfer window opened and started transfering. I think the problem with GFTP and Kbear are that they want to see th
[03:01] <apokryphos> ralph1: cliffhanger ;-)
[03:03] <humbolt> kwifimanager does not seem to be able to handle wep keys. What am I doing wrong. Propably it does not set anything when I hit activate.
[03:05] <ralph1> apokryphos: while we will see if this did work. Sent email to devel list to move file and keep me informed.
[03:12] <wasko> hi
[03:28] <stibby> can i configure konqueror to view pages without css?
[03:29] <ray_> settings>configure konqurer
[03:30] <Blissex> stibby: sort of, as ray_ says, but it may be nicer to just define your own CSS stylesheet to override other people's
[03:30] <Blissex> stibby: I use that to simplify display etc.
[03:31] <wasko> hi
[03:37] <ray_> where can I find free desktop wallpapers?
[03:38] <ray_> hello
[03:40] <apokryphos> !kdelook
[03:40] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, kdelook is at http://kdelook.org
[03:41] <ray_> how do i install the mozilla personal security manager?
[03:46] <ray_> nevermind
[04:01] <ray_> TestMAD: whats up dude
[04:02] <ray_> everybody sleeping?
[04:57] <Speedy2> Hey all. Does anyone here use Eclipse?
[04:57] <kalenedrael> not me
[04:57] <kalenedrael> what is it?
[04:58] <Speedy2> kalenedrael: www.eclipse.org -- it's an Integrated Development Environment, cross-platform, written in Java, supporting many languages
[04:59] <kalenedrael> hmm
[04:59] <kalenedrael> dunno
[04:59] <kalenedrael> on an unrelated note, i dislike java apps
[04:59] <kalenedrael> and java in general
[05:00] <cs378> i just installed kubuntu successfully, im at KInfoCenter right now, n it shows that i have Intel P M 1.5 on the model name, but the cpu MHz is 599.642
[05:01] <Speedy2> kalenedrael: Me too. That's why I'm trying to find a gcj compiled version of it in the repos...someone said it existed, but I haven't found it
[05:01] <kalenedrael> cs378, that's natural
[05:01] <kalenedrael> actually, that is a GOOD thing
[05:01] <kalenedrael> because your processor is underclocking to save power
[05:02] <kalenedrael> if you run some CPU-intensive app it will jump right back up
[05:13] <_maydayjay_> has any got a tip on how to get Crossover menus working in Kubuntu?
[05:50] <_maydayjay_> has any got a tip on how to get Crossover menus working in Kubuntu?
[05:50] <kalenedrael> apparently not, sorry...
[05:51] <kalenedrael> i don't think it's distro-specific, though
[05:51] <_maydayjay_> a post kde 3.3 thing I would guess...
[05:51] <kalenedrael> hm
[05:51] <kalenedrael> well, i have to go
[05:52] <_maydayjay_> k ... thx anyways...
[05:54] <humbolt> how can I use a gnome applet under kde?
[05:59] <Jeezis> would you guys say that 310 fps is alright framerate on a laptop with a 64mb onboard video card?
[05:59] <Jeezis> it's an ati radeon 320m igp
[05:59] <sproingie> 310 fps on what?
[05:59] <Jeezis> glxgears
[06:00] <sproingie> it's decent
[06:00] <Jeezis> sorry >_<
[06:00] <sproingie> 64 meg card isn't exactly a speed demon
[06:00] <Jeezis> yeah, exactly
[06:00] <Jeezis> before i got the acceleration working it was aroun 120fps
[06:01] <Jeezis> but i wanted to see if there was more i should try to do or not
[06:01] <sproingie> it's not terribly tweakable
[06:01] <Jeezis> that it isnt :/
[06:01] <sproingie> glxgears isn't always the fastest thing. it'll probably run UT fine, for instance
[06:02] <sproingie> blender is silk smooth for me ... ati's drivers have gotten kind of decent actually
[06:02] <Jeezis> i dunno, a lot of stuff that uses opengl is painfully slow
[06:02] <Jeezis> really?
[06:02] <sproingie> decent. not great
[06:02] <Jeezis> what's blender?
[06:02] <sproingie> stable anyway
[06:02] <sproingie> blender's a 3d modeller
[06:02] <sproingie> like maya, 3dsmax, softimage, etc
[06:03] <Jeezis> ah, i'll snag that and see what kind of rates i get
[06:03] <sproingie> well you can't really count framerates that well in it
[06:03] <sproingie> it's just a matter of whether it feels fast
[06:03] <Jeezis> ah, i understand
[06:04] <sproingie> it's also got a nearly vertical learning curve, hard to toy around with in 5 minutes or less
[06:06] <Jeezis> heh, alright, i'll see what i can do
[06:07] <humbolt> is there a way to get rid of the dhcp delay on startup when there is no network cable connected?
[06:19] <troy> is there any easy way to modify the install cd to use 2.6.11 instead of 2.6.10? I'm having a hell of a time getting this thing installed since the SATA driver for this chip doesn't work until 2.6.11
[06:19] <troy> trying the 'install via knoppix' routine
[06:20] <Speedy2> troy: You could try to grab the kernel modules for 2.6.11 , I don't know how safe that is though
[06:20] <troy> well, I can use the 2.6.11 kernel just fine on this system when it's installed to an old-fashioned IDE drive
[06:20] <troy> and it detects and I can mount/use my SATA drive
[06:21] <troy> however the install disk uses 2.6.10, so it cannot install to the SATA disk
[06:21] <Speedy2> troy: Any chance of installing to an IDE drive it supports? You can compile your own kernel after installation is done.
[06:21] <troy> Speedy2: I want to yank the old IDE drive once it's installed to move it
[06:22] <Speedy2> troy: That shouldn't be a problem. You get it installed, compile a 2.6.11 (or 2.6.12) kernel, get it working, then move everything to the SATA drive and update the GRUB/LILO conf
[06:23] <troy> I guess... and /etc/fstab I presume
[06:23] <Speedy2> troy: Right
[06:23] <troy> well that sounds easier than doing a chroot bootstrap, which was my current option :)
[06:23] <Speedy2> heh
[06:24] <Speedy2> troy: Personally, I'd suggest LILO over grub
[06:26] <troy> I like grub... mind you I've been using freebsd for so many years that it seems more 'at home'
[06:27] <Speedy2> Ah
[06:36] <ricosuave17> how do i get engage
[06:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> ? pardon ricosuave17
[06:38] <ricosuave17> engage is a dock bar
[07:48] <TestMAD> hey ray_
[07:48] <TestMAD> what did you want earlier:?
[07:50] <ray_> TestMAD, they stole my voice on the #ubuntu and i havent been able to talk for like a week
[07:50] <ray_> TestMAD, what the hell
[07:50] <TestMAD> ok
[07:50] <TestMAD> did you get yer voice back?
[07:50] <ray_> TestMAD, nope
[07:51] <TestMAD> that sux
[07:51] <TestMAD> do you know y?
[07:51] <ray_> TestMAD, friggin middle aged computer nerds with a stick up there ass
[07:51] <TestMAD> hehe
[07:52] <dtorg21> I Installed the latest Java from sun, but it wont work with firefox.... Help please
[07:52] <ray_> dtorg21, i know what you have to do
[07:52] <TestMAD> i did notice from the one time i was in #ubuntu that they were not as nice as this room
[07:52] <dtorg21> ray_ sounds good so did everyone on ubuntu forums, but nothing worked there yet
[07:53] <ray_> dtorg21, so you just got the download from java and installed it without doing anything else/
[07:54] <NamShub> whats the theme to unify kde and gtk?
[07:54] <jeanluc> HI in kubuntu is there a way to change the icon for a program?
[07:54] <dtorg21> ray_ I followed this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=50994&highlight=mozilla+java
[07:55] <ray_> dtorg21, ok
[07:55] <dtorg21> ray_ its the 8th post
[07:56] <ray_> dtorg21, i know how to fix
[07:56] <jeanluc> I wanna change the image for firefox I have the png file for the new icon now how do I change it?
[07:56] <jeanluc> nvm
[07:56] <jeanluc> im really stupid
[07:56] <jeanluc> just found out
[07:56] <dtorg21> ray_ thank good i needed this i was ready to throw the computer out my window i was getting so frustrated
[07:56] <ray_> dtorg21, in term do a cd /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/
[07:57] <dtorg21> ok
[07:57] <ray_> whats in there
[07:57] <ray_> ls
[07:57] <dtorg21> dtorg29@dtorg29:/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins$
[07:57] <ray_> yeah
[07:57] <ray_> do an ls
[07:58] <jeanluc> what version of kde is kubuntu 5.4 on?
[07:58] <ray_> 3.4.0
[07:58] <jeanluc> ty
[07:58] <ray_> dtorg21, you get me
[07:58] <ray_> dtorg21, what is in that directory
[07:59] <dtorg21> flashplayer.xpt libjavaplugin.so nphelix.so nppdf.so
[07:59] <dtorg21> libflashplayer.so mplayerplug-in.so nphelix.xpt
[07:59] <dtorg21> dtorg29@dtorg29:/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins$
[07:59] <ray_> dtorg21, ok do a sudo rm libjavaplugin.so
[08:00] <dtorg21> ok
[08:01] <ray_> no do a ....sudo ln -s /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/
[08:03] <ray_> u got all that
[08:04] <dtorg21> yup, is there more?
[08:05] <ray_> do another ls
[08:05] <ray_> what is in there now
[08:05] <dtorg21> flashplayer.xpt libjavaplugin_oji.so nphelix.so nppdf.so
[08:05] <dtorg21> libflashplayer.so mplayerplug-in.so nphelix.xpt
[08:05] <ray_> is libjavaplugin_oji.so green
[08:05] <dtorg21> yup
[08:06] <ray_> try it out
[08:06] <dtorg21> i tried, but it didnt come up, but when i went to about:plugins it said it was there, do you recomned i restart?
[08:06] <ray_> no
[08:06] <dtorg21> ok
[08:06] <ray_> restart firefox
[08:07] <dtorg21> well i went to www.java.com, but now my browser freezes up
[08:08] <ray_> ok
[08:08] <ray_> go into term and do a sudo updatedb
[08:10] <dtorg21> ok done
[08:10] <ray_> ok now do a locate libjavaplugin_oji.so
[08:11] <dtorg21> l/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[08:11] <dtorg21> /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[08:11] <dtorg21> /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7-gcc29/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[08:11] <dtorg21> /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[08:11] <dtorg21> /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/plugin/i386/ns7-gcc29/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[08:11] <dtorg21> /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[08:11] <dtorg21> /usr/java/jre1.5.0_04/plugin/i386/ns7-gcc29/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[08:12] <dtorg21> /usr/java/jre1.5.0_04/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[08:12] <dtorg21> /home/dtorg29/.mozilla/firefox/1law35k6.default/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[08:12] <dtorg21> /home/dtorg29/.mozilla/firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[08:12] <ray_> ok
[08:12] <dtorg21> http://www.java.com/en/download/installed.jsp?jre_version=1.5.0_02&vendor=Sun+Microsystems+Inc.&os=Linux&os_version=2.6.10-5-386
[08:13] <ray_> go back into /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[08:13] <dtorg21> ok
[08:13] <ray_> and remove the old libjavaplugin_oji.so
[08:13] <ray_> then do a ln -s /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[08:14] <TestMAD> anyone want some gmail invites?
[08:14] <TestMAD> i got 50 of them
[08:14] <TestMAD> just PM yer email addy to me
[08:15] <dtorg21> It works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks you so very much Ray_ your a god
[08:15] <ray_> dtorg21, ive helped about 50 others....no prob
[08:15] <Tribune> hi to all
[08:15] <Tribune> i need a favour
[08:15] <ray_> ok
[08:16] <Tribune> previous i'm using knoppix
[08:16] <Tribune> which is there is program name Dia
[08:16] <Tribune> in Kubuntu i can't find it
[08:16] <Tribune> can anybody help me where can i get this program?
[08:17] <ray_> Tribune, sudo apt-get install dia
[08:18] <ray_> dtorg21, i need a favor
[08:18] <dtorg21> ray_ im curious if you know howto get wireless to work too?
[08:18] <dtorg21> ya sure ray-
[08:18] <dtorg21> ray_
[08:18] <ray_> dtorg21, i dont know how to get wireless to work....... but you should join the #ubuntu channel and tell them to give me my voice back...lol
[08:19] <dtorg21> ok sounds good
[08:19] <Tribune> can i paste to this channel bout information given to me in terminal?
[08:19] <ray_> if it is short
[08:19] <Tribune> Reading package lists... Done
[08:19] <Tribune> Building dependency tree... Done
[08:19] <Tribune> Package dia is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:19] <Tribune> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[08:19] <Tribune> is only available from another source
[08:19] <Tribune> However the following packages replace it:
[08:19] <Tribune> dia-libs dia-common
[08:19] <Tribune> E: Package dia has no installation candidate
[08:19] <ray_> so get dia-libs dia-common
[08:20] <Tribune> how to?
[08:20] <ray_> sudo apt-get install dia-libs dia-common
[08:20] <Tribune> :) I'm not very good in linux actually...
[08:21] <Tribune> Reading package lists... Done
[08:21] <Tribune> Building dependency tree... Done
[08:21] <Tribune> dia-libs is already the newest version.
[08:21] <Tribune> dia-common is already the newest version.
[08:21] <Tribune> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 51 not upgraded.
[08:21] <Tribune> finish
[08:21] <Tribune> what should i do now?
[08:21] <ray_> type dia in the term
[08:21] <Tribune> bash: dia: command not found
[08:22] <ray_> hmmm ...... what is this program
[08:22] <aseigo> kivio?
[08:22] <aseigo> =)
[08:22] <ray_> dtorg21, any luck
[08:22] <Tribune> similar to autocad
[08:22] <dtorg21> not yet lol
[08:22] <ray_> dtorg21, its ok
[08:22] <TestMAD> one last offer for gmail invite...i wanna get rid of them..
[08:23] <ray_> Tribune, go to System>Administration>Synaptic
[08:23] <Tribune> ok
[08:23] <Tribune> then?
[08:24] <ray_> Tribune, then search for dia
[08:24] <Tribune> http://www.gnome.org/projects/dia/ <-- this is the url
[08:24] <ray_> !find dia
[08:24] <dtorg21> its like i dont exist in there
[08:24] <dtorg21> ray_ its like i dont exist in there
[08:25] <ray_> sudo apt-get install dia-gnome
[08:25] <frank> anybody use gxmame here?
[08:25] <aseigo> Tribune: what do you use dia for primarily?
[08:26] <Tribune> sudo apt-get install dia-gnome
[08:26] <Tribune> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[08:26] <Tribune> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[08:26] <ray_> close synaptic
[08:26] <Tribune> i need to try dia to make drawing such as mechanical item. Example stud or shaft
[08:27] <Tribune> phew!!!!!!!!!! not it start downloading :))
[08:27] <aseigo> oh. ok. not particularly what dia is for.. but..sure
[08:27] <ray_> my internet connection sucks right now
[08:28] <aseigo> Tribune: http://www.ribbonsoft.com/qcad.html
[08:28] <Tribune> ray, just whant to know. i need to know... what other package can i get
[08:28] <Tribune> example... wine program
[08:28] <aseigo> Tribune: and it's available in the debian repos
[08:29] <Tribune> ohhhh
[08:29] <Tribune> qcad just a demo?
[08:29] <Tribune> :D
[08:30] <aseigo> no, it's a gpl'd app
[08:30] <aseigo> apt-get install qcad
[08:30] <aseigo> done
[08:31] <Tribune> sudo apt-get install qcad
[08:31] <Tribune> Reading package lists... Done
[08:31] <Tribune> Building dependency tree... Done
[08:31] <Tribune> Package qcad is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:31] <Tribune> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[08:31] <Tribune> is only available from another source
[08:31] <aseigo> the "community" version is basically the previous "professional" version minus the scripting
[08:31] <Tribune> However the following packages replace it:
[08:31] <Tribune> xlibs
[08:31] <Tribune> E: Package qcad has no installation candidate
[08:31] <aseigo> you probably need to add univers to your sources lists
[08:32] <aseigo> in any case, time for me to hit the sack... see ya on the flip side
[08:32] <Tribune> hmmm
[08:33] <Tribune> aseigo...... i can apt-get qcad. please assis me
[08:33] <Tribune> i really appreciate if u help me
[08:33] <ray_> ahh
[09:16] <kokoko1> hi
[09:17] <kokoko1> i just install kubuntu however the resolution sucks , default installation only pick 640x..
[09:17] <kokoko1> damn this is weried
[09:18] <insanekane> kokoko1: you need to do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:18] <insanekane> err
[09:18] <insanekane> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:18] <insanekane> and set up your correct resolution
[09:19] <insanekane> then, you need to file a bug report with your complete hardware spec, so that this doesn't happen again
[09:19] <kokoko1> insanekane, thanks
[09:19] <kokoko1> secondly default fonts are too bad
[09:20] <kokoko1> even with anti-aliase enble
[09:20] <kokoko1> enable*
[09:21] <insanekane> hmm .. bitstream is a really good font
[09:22] <kokoko1> okay let me first handle the resolution, then I will check the fonts
[09:22] <kokoko1> insanekane, actaully i'm configuring this box for presentation , i-e to present linux to management
[09:23] <nikkia> insanekane: i will say this, someone needs to add 'per font' aliasing rules :P
[09:23] <kokoko1> myself i'm kde fan thats why i choose kubuntu
[09:23] <nikkia> but thats a freetype issue, not kubuntu :)
[09:24] <nikkia> insanekane: its totally impossible to find a AA font setting that doesn't look like crud on at least a handful of fonts, being able to turn on/off AA on a per font or per font/size basis would be a really nice thing[tm]
[09:25] <insanekane> nikkia: perhaps not a freetype issue ... that would be implemented in Qt/KDE
[09:25] <nikkia> insanekane: i dunno, perhaps both, i think freetype should handle the alias hinting, rather than Qt
[09:25] <insanekane> and, perhaps you should tackle this issue with some code, seeing as you are the resident expert on this :)
[09:26] <insanekane> nikkia: actually, rendering is done by xft
[09:26] <nikkia> ie, FT holds the hints list for aliasing, Qt just uses what its told
[09:26] <nikkia> ah, so its probably completely a FT issue
[09:27] <insanekane> nikkia: most fonts are not hinted properly, because hinting is very difficult
[09:27] <nikkia> insanekane: if i had the time right now, i would look at it, i don't however :/
[09:27] <insanekane> ok
[09:27] <nikkia> insanekane: when i said 'hinting' there, i didn't meen TTF hinting, i meant the hints as to whether a font/size combo should be aliased - a FT config file issue
[09:28] <insanekane> oh right
[09:30] <nikkia> insanekane: it could also be that the AA that Xft does is 'wrong'
[09:30] <insanekane> probably not :)
[09:30] <nikkia> as all of the problem fonts seem to be those that have slim '1 pixel' wide segments
[09:31] <nikkia> it seems to tend to alias those segments away, my gut feeling is that you should AA outwards, not inwards
[09:31] <insanekane> dunno
[09:31] <Tribune> can anybody assis me ?
[09:32] <insanekane> Tribune: depends, whats your question ?
[09:32] <nikkia> insanekane: put it this way, on MS and Apple, i've never seen the hoops in a 6 or 0 vanish with aliasing on
[09:32] <Tribune> E: Couldn't find package mplayer-386
[09:32] <kokoko1> insanekane, during dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg where should i specify the resolution?
[09:32] <Tribune> <-- what does it mean?
[09:32] <kokoko1> coz i run it two times and don't find the prompt for resolutions
[09:32] <insanekane> kokoko1: just keep following all the questions, and when you get a screen asking whether you want to do "Easy, Medium or Advanced" settings for the mointor, select Advanced
[09:33] <insanekane> Tribune: it means the package doesnt exist
[09:33] <kokoko1> insanekane, I don't see any such screen
[09:33] <insanekane> Tribune: do 'sudo apt-cache search mplayer' to find the actual packaghe
[09:33] <Tribune> how do i do if i want to install realplayer ?
[09:33] <insanekane> kokoko1: hmm ... well, i do (since i have had to do this for my monitor)
[09:33] <kokoko1> insanekane, is xorgconfig avaible ?
[09:34] <kokoko1> ah i love the way we configure X in slackware
[09:34] <insanekane> kokoko1: it is much more preferable to use dkg-reconfigure
[09:34] <insanekane> Tribune: realplayer has its own deb which you can download, if im not mistaken
[09:36] <insanekane> nikkia: on MS, do you mean cleartype ?
[09:36] <Tribune> hmm
[09:36] <nikkia> insanekane: yes, i believe its called cleartype on OS X too
[09:36] <Kmorph> I'm running the Kubuntu live CD and I can't get the sound output. I trued running Amarok but could hear a thing from the speakers. Please help me out
[09:37] <insanekane> nikkia: there is an alternative to cleartype in KDE ... its RGB antialiasing ... it looks bad, probably because it is not integrated with Xft ??
[09:37] <nikkia> insanekane: Xft has known about subpixel aliasing since X supported it, which is a surprisingly long time :P
[09:37] <insanekane> Kmorph: did you set the volume right ? using KMix ?
[09:37] <Kmorph> Yes I did
[09:38] <insanekane> Kmorph: then perhaps it is another issue .... have you tried looking issues regarding your sound card chipset ?
[09:38] <Kmorph> Evertything in the configurations is right, but I cant figure out why I can't hear the music
[09:39] <insanekane> nikkia: afaik, rendering is done by Qt ... so far, I haven't seen anything re subpixel/RGB aliasing
[09:39] <Kmorph> If I run the previous version of the Ubuntu live CD, sound seems to come out well
[09:39] <insanekane> it is perhaps because of the module was not loaded
[09:39] <nikkia> insanekane: sub-pixel stuff is in there, with X and Xft
[09:39] <nikkia> insanekane: Qt/KDE took ages to support it that's all
[09:39] <insanekane> nikkia: i dont think Qt supports it at all afaik
[09:39] <nikkia> insanekane: it does
[09:40] <insanekane> hmm
[09:40] <nikkia> insanekane: checkbox 'use sub-pixel hinting:' and options greyscale/RGB/BGR/vertical RGB/vertical BGR
[09:40] <insanekane> nikkia: anyway, your per-font hints is a good idea
[09:40] <nikkia> insanekane: unless you're on a LCD, those *will* look funny tho
[09:41] <nikkia> and it may or may not work if you're on analog LCD
[09:41] <insanekane> nikkia: yes, but is that something KDE does, or is it something Xft does ?
[09:41] <nikkia> its an Xft option
[09:41] <insanekane> nikkia: yes i have it enabled, and it does look funny :)
[09:41] <nikkia> i remember editing the xml to enable it on freebsd, which i haven't run for about 5 years :P
[09:41] <insanekane> nikkia: oh in that case, there needn't be specific support in Xft
[09:41] <insanekane> err
[09:41] <insanekane> oh in that case, there needn't be specific support in Qt
[09:42] <nikkia> insanekane: if Qt just uses Xft to render, then no, i imagine it just lets Xft do all the work
[09:43] <insanekane> Kmorph: get your chipset ... run a google query with your chipset and add "Ubuntu' to it ... it will probably get you some pages on how to load the module
[09:43] <insanekane> nikkia: yes, Qt just uses Xft to render
[09:44] <insanekane> nikkia: so what are you working on that makes you busy ? are you paid by Canonical ?
[09:44] <Kmorph> insanekane: Thanks. Let me try that out
[09:45] <insanekane> nikkia: do you know anything about how I can get graphical debconf ?
[09:45] <nikkia> no idea
[09:45] <kokoko1> insanekane, i just boot the system from ubuntu live cd , same problem of resolution persist
[09:45] <Tribune> brb
[09:46] <insanekane> kokoko1: as i said, you need to do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:46] <nikkia> kokoko1: thats because its an issue with your vidoe card
[09:46] <nikkia> kokoko1: normally Xorg will use the highest resolution found from the card/monitor combo, but sometimes that doesn't work
[09:47] <kokoko1> nikkia, yep I think so
[09:47] <kokoko1> its a Intel 82845G/GL vga
[09:47] <nikkia> kokoko1: perhaps DDI/EDID is failing, perhaps Xorg's driver for your card is wrong, who knows
[09:48] <kokoko1> nikkia, aren't Intel VGA's are well known :)?
[09:48] <nikkia> kokoko1: yes, but, the problem is, Xorg's intel driver was submitted by intel themselves :)
[09:48] <nikkia> so its probably very badly written :P
[09:49] <nikkia> besides, if its DDI/EDID at fault, it could be your monitor
[09:49] <markc> anyone running breezy and having problems with 3.4.2 kdesktop crashing ?
[09:49] <nikkia> a surprising number of monitors just return crud for EDID
[09:50] <kokoko1> nikkia, okay wait let me change the monitor :)
[09:50] <kokoko1> its compaq 17"
[09:50] <nikkia> kokoko1: actually, try this...
[09:50] <kokoko1> hmm?
[09:50] <nikkia> kokoko1: get X to a point where you know you can kill it safetly without losing stuff...
[09:51] <nikkia> then turn OFF the monitor at the wall/unplug the power, then hit ctrl-alt-backspace, wait 5 seconds, and turn on/plug in the monitor again
[09:51] <insanekane> kokoko1: i just ran dpkg-reconfigure ...
[09:51] <insanekane> kokoko1: and, unlike what i said, the resolutions stuff comes *before* anything related to monitor frequency settings
[09:52] <kokoko1> oh wait, i'm using KVM switch may be this causing the problem
[09:52] <nikkia> kokoko1: yep, that'd do it
[09:52] <insanekane> KVM ?
[09:52] <nikkia> keyboard, video, mouse, switch
[09:52] <insanekane> oh
[09:52] <insanekane> forgive my illiteracy :)
[09:53] <nikkia> most of them provide phoney EDID data to the video card, so that a machine can power on without the switch set to that machine
[09:53] <nikkia> 640x480 is a common max res they report, as its 'safe'
[09:53] <nikkia> kokoko1: you'll probably just have to grin, bear it, and edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand
[09:53] <insanekane> kokoko1: abt Intel chipsets .... i have a machine with an Intel chipset which did *not* report the best resoution
[09:54] <insanekane> its probably the hardware database
[09:54] <kokoko1> nikkia, i'm doing it without kvm this time
[09:54] <kokoko1> brb
[09:55] <insanekane> hmm
[09:55] <nikkia> why does it report to linux as a mass storage device... but if i insert a memory card, it doesn't appear to linux ? :/
[09:55] <insanekane> maybe hotplug issues ?
[09:56] <nikkia> insanekane: might be because its a multi-card reader
[09:56] <nikkia> the one i have at work doesn't report valid disk targets unless i plug it back in once the card is inserted
[09:56] <insanekane> or might be a buggy USB implementation on the device which requires special handling on Linux ?
[09:57] <nikkia> insanekane: i doubt it, as far as i can tell, its 100% USB class compliant
[09:57] <nikkia> nope, still just reports:
[09:57] <insanekane> whatever that means
[09:57] <nikkia> Vendor: EPSON Model: Stylus Storage Rev: 1.00
[09:57] <nikkia> Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02
[09:58] <nikkia> with no disk targets
[09:58] <nikkia> insanekane: USB has a concept called 'classes' which shouldn't really need a driver at all
[09:58] <insanekane> nikkia: yes, i know about classes
[09:59] <insanekane> but the concept of class, doesnt cause the implementation to be correct does it ?
[09:59] <nikkia> insanekane: if the device supports the classes properly, it should
[09:59] <insanekane> thats what i mean
[10:00] <nikkia> and as far as i can tell, this printer does
[10:00] <insanekane> *if* the device supports the classes properly, it should
[10:00] <insanekane> ok
[10:00] <insanekane> so then, it should be a hotplug problem :)
[10:02] <nikkia> aha!
[10:06] <m0ns00n> Hey
[10:06] <m0ns00n> I'm having trouble finding avidemux or any video conversion software for ubuntu
[10:09] <Kmorph> Where can I find the guys who do translations for Kubuntu
[10:19] <kokoko1> nikkia, it was KVM fault :)
[10:19] <usaownz> Anyway to get the Konsole to be completely Translucent?
[10:19] <usaownz> Like being able to see a firefox page
[10:28] <Kmorph> nikkia::are you a KDE programmer ?
[10:53] <jpatrick> Anyone know where I can find a X config file?
[10:54] <lindsay> Hello, I recently just installed kubuntu but I dont have all the packages that I thought came with KDE such as kdevelop, kwrite.. I tried apt-get and aptitude search but those packages dont exist, can someone tell me how I can get all those KDE goodies?
[10:56] <jpatrick> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[10:56] <jpatrick> :)
[10:57] <jpatrick> kdevelop isn't that good :-/
[10:57] <jpatrick> do: sudo apt-get install kdevelop3
[10:58] <jpatrick> when you've done that^^
[10:58] <lindsay> ok
[10:59] <jpatrick> KDevelop3 has more languages..
[11:00] <lindsay> it states there is no installation candidate
[11:01] <lindsay> wait it worked
[11:01] <lindsay> nvm
[11:01] <jpatrick> :)
[11:01] <lindsay> thanks
[11:01] <jpatrick> you're welcome
[11:06] <Kmorph> jpatrick::what do you mean KDevelop isn't that good? :)
[11:06] <lindsay> I do a lot of C++ programming and im moving from windows so I needed a nice IDE, I was told KDevelop was a good one
[11:09] <deadzed> heh :) konversation and kubuntu :)
[11:09] <deadzed> is konverstaion like xchat ? seems to be similar
[11:09] <nikkia> lindsay: you can always use eclipse as a C++ IDE
[11:10] <deadzed> ho do I import full network list into konversation? ... server list is empty
[11:10] <nikkia> with the right plugins eclipse is a pretty nice general purpose IDE, to be honest
[11:10] <nikkia> and before anyone says 'IDE, in java? silly' remember Visual Studio is written in .NET these days :P
[11:10] <lindsay> ohh nice, I will try
[11:11] <buz> eclipse is GOOD stuff
[11:11] <lindsay> have you used Anjuta?
[11:11] <deadzed> lindsay Excuse me, Are you female ?
[11:11] <buz> but SWT is gnome :(
[11:11] <lindsay> ahh I cant say much about Java and .NET, I do ANSI C++
[11:11] <deadzed> lindsay: or just girly nick ?
[11:11] <lindsay> deadzed: yes I am
[11:11] <nikkia> lindsay: i normally use emacs when i'm writing C++ tbh, but i wouldn't pretend its a great IDE for everyone
[11:11] <deadzed> lindsay: I thought girls cant hack c++ and perl and other :)
[11:12] <jpatrick> KDevelop3 is way better than KDevelop
[11:12] <nikkia> oh no, two female programmers in the room at once, deadzed will explode!
[11:12] <deadzed> :D
[11:12] <lindsay> haha well I dont really like perl, I like PHP tho :D
[11:12] <deadzed> where has the world come to
[11:12] <nikkia> deadzed: the 21st century, apparently you haven't caught up :P
[11:12] <deadzed> you should stay home in front of a stove
[11:13] <deadzed> Im lagging centure wise
[11:13] <buz> nah they should earn money to help pay for a maid ;)
[11:13] <lindsay> ashamed that females are far more superior programmers yes? ;)
[11:13] <nikkia> hmmm, how bizarre
[11:13] <buz> besides, this way the girls dont spend our money for shoes
[11:13] <deadzed> very good point :)
[11:13] <lindsay> ohh id rather buy a new graphics card can shoes :P
[11:13] <lindsay> than*
[11:13] <deadzed> where can I meet girls like that
[11:14] <nikkia> if i use 'swriter' then i get an error that '..../program/soffice.bin' is not executable
[11:14] <deadzed> are there any linux-ladies clubs /bars
[11:14] <nikkia> if i run soffice.bin manually, it works
[11:14] <Kmorph> nikkia::haven't heard of eclipse. Is it new. I only use KDevelop3
[11:14] <nikkia> Kmorph: not really new, no
[11:14] <nikkia> Kmorph: its a java IDE written in java, with IBM funding a lot of the development
[11:14] <nikkia> but it has plugins for other languages
[11:15] <deadzed> how do I import network list into konversation?
[11:15] <lindsay> do most JVM's use bit code interpreters right?
[11:15] <insanekane> nikkia: running oo<app> supposedly exports some variables necessary for soffice to work properly
[11:15] <lindsay> I only know of Solaris where its builtin or whatever lol
[11:15] <nikkia> Kmorph: i think eclipse has been around since, uhh, maybe 96, 97, something like that
[11:15] <Kmorph> nikkia::I'm checking out its site. How great is it as per you judgement
[11:16] <insanekane> Eclipse is absolutely superb for Java ... I wouldn't say that about other languages though
[11:16] <nikkia> Kmorph: erm, it'd be better if it was native (without losing the platform independance) as sometimes it is a touch slow updating the code completion, but its nice if you can live with that
[11:16] <deadzed> how do I cp all files in path to another path
[11:16] <nikkia> Kmorph: again, though, that's a complaint that can be levelled at recent Visual Studio versions too
[11:17] <Speedy2> Who here uses Eclipse?
[11:17] <deadzed> how do I cp all files in path to another path without specifying every file
[11:17] <nikkia> Speedy2: good timing, we are just talking about it :P
[11:17] <insanekane> Speedy2: i used to ... when I did Java development
[11:17] <deadzed> people are ignoring me here ......
[11:17] <Speedy2> deadzed: cp * /remote_path/.
[11:17] <Speedy2> nikkia: =)
[11:18] <lindsay> im so disappointed, I cant find kwrite on any of my apt sources :'(
[11:18] <Kmorph> deazed::cp /path../../*.* /path2/.. /
[11:18] <Speedy2> I just installed Eclipse 3.1, and I'm trying to use the CDT plug-in but I'm having a few problems...do you think you can help Nikkia / insanekane ?
[11:18] <deadzed> Speedy2 Thank you :)
[11:18] <Speedy2> deadzed: Kmorph's explanation is a little more fleshed out
[11:18] <deadzed> Kmorph got it :)
[11:19] <insanekane> Speedy2: havent used CDT ... as i said, I have only used it with Java ... and for Java it's absolutely great
[11:19] <Kmorph> I tried to make it as simple as possible. Assuming you are not in the dir you want to cp from
[11:19] <lindsay> anyone got some more KDE sources for apt? I cant find eclipse
[11:19] <lindsay> or kwrite
[11:19] <Speedy2> lindsay: I didn't find Eclipse anywhere, I had to install the Java JRE and get Eclipse from eclipse.org . Let me see what package kwrite is in
[11:19] <insanekane> lindsay: eclipse is not KDE ..
[11:19] <insanekane> lindsay: its Java/SWT
[11:20] <lindsay> ohh okay I see
[11:20] <lindsay> so itll work on solaris/
[11:20] <Speedy2> lindsay: Is "kdebase" installed? kwrite should be a part of it
[11:20] <lindsay> yeah I installed it
[11:20] <Speedy2> lindsay: Open a terminal and type "kwrite" -- does it bring it up?
[11:20] <lindsay> no kwrite
[11:20] <insanekane> kwrite is a seperate package iirc
[11:20] <lindsay> ohh wait it does
[11:20] <lindsay> it wasnt in the menu tho
[11:21] <insanekane> lindsay: sudo apt-get install kate
[11:21] <insanekane> lindsay: you'll have a better experience with kate than with kwrite
[11:21] <lindsay> how do I get shortcuts on them in the KDE menu?
[11:21] <lindsay> I thought KDE did it automatically
[11:21] <Kmorph> nikkia::let me just get this straight: so if I'm a C++ coder, I don't to bother with Eclipse, coz I already have KDevelops. Right? Eclipse is edged more towards the Java programmer
[11:21] <insanekane> lindsay: try looking in Utilities
[11:22] <insanekane> Kmorph: Eclipse is geared for Java, although it is meant to be a generic IDE based on plugins
[11:22] <nikkia> Kmorph: *shrug* you can try it, eclipse is certainly a Java IDE first and foremost, but it can be a competant IDE for everything else too
[11:22] <lindsay> insanekane, only a few things in there, no shortcuts, no "editors" section like I expected
[11:22] <Speedy2> So, anyone here used the CDT plug-in for Eclipse? I'm having issues getting it to debug correctly (gdb is installed, even re-compiled it from source)
[11:22] <insanekane> lindsay: there won't be an "editors" section ... just look for Kate
[11:23] <lindsay> lol kate looks the same
[11:23] <lindsay> almost
[11:23] <Kmorph> lindsay::create one
[11:24] <nikkia> lindsay: kappfinder is a useful thing to run every now and then
[11:24] <insanekane> lindsay: you will have a better experience developing with Kate (than with Kwrite)
[11:24] <lindsay> okay sweet
[11:25] <insanekane> lindsay: i personally, prefer Kate to Kdevelop when doing C++
[11:25] <lindsay> yeah I like the syntax colouring lol
[11:25] <insanekane> lindsay: its also much faster, and less cluttered for the 1024x768 resolution I run at, than KDevelop
[11:26] <lindsay> yeah, it seems a little quicker to do stuff
[11:26] <insanekane> lindsay: you might also like to get some plugins for Kate, for e.g., the symbols viewer for C++
[11:26] <ubuntu> insanekane: and if you are developing java apps, use eclipse?
[11:26] <insanekane> ubuntu: yes
[11:26] <ubuntu> for python, anything generic will do
[11:26] <Speedy2> ubuntu: There is a C/C++ plug-in for Eclipse...but it's giving me problems at the moment.
[11:26] <ubuntu> ?
[11:27] <insanekane> ubuntu: you might want to change your nick ... that way, you might make a friend who might answer your questions faster than others :)
[11:27] <ubuntu> cause under gnome, i have been just useing gedit?
[11:28] <insanekane> ubuntu: if you just want a text editor, gedit/kate might be good enough ... some prefer a full blown IDE
[11:28] <nikkia> and some of us weirdos use emacs/xemacs :P
[11:29] <insanekane> yes, i am no wierdo :)
[11:29] <deadzed> emacs is a classic :)
[11:29] <Paradoxx_jm> insanekane: so what would you recomment for phyton?
[11:29] <Paradoxx_jm> python*
[11:29] <insanekane> Paradoxx_jm: aah ... :) ERIC3 :)
[11:29] <insanekane> Paradoxx_jm: i love python ... i also love eric3 :)
[11:30] <Paradoxx_jm> insanekane: eric3?
[11:30] <lindsay> does anyone use msttcorefonts?
[11:30] <insanekane> Paradoxx_jm: yes, eric3 :)
[11:30] <insanekane> lindsay: yes, i did
[11:30] <lindsay> do they work or are they bad?
[11:30] <Paradoxx_jm> insanekane: is that an IDE?
[11:31] <lindsay> anyway guys/gals I gotta go
[11:31] <lindsay> thanks very much for your help
[11:31] <Paradoxx_jm> lindsay: later
[11:31] <lindsay> bye bye
[11:32] <Paradoxx_jm> insanekane: is eric3 an IDE?
[11:32] <nikkia> insanekane: you've programmed java, any ideas why a class would have lost all of its member variables when a member function gets called ? :/
[11:32] <insanekane> Paradoxx_jm: yes Eric3 is an IDE ... written in Python ... with a lot of stuff for PyQt development ... not to mention a nice integrated IDE
[11:33] <insanekane> nikkia: maybe the function is static ??
[11:33] <nikkia> insanekane: nope
[11:33] <Paradoxx_jm> nikkia: maybe the function is clearing the stuff? or reinitializeing it or somthin
[11:33] <insanekane> nikkia: whats the error ?
[11:33] <jpatrick> cya all later..
[11:34] <nikkia> insanekane: no error, i just have a 'protected Component enabledComp = null;' that gets assigned a component during initialisation, but then when 'public void update(int x, int y)' gets called, its null again
[11:34] <Kmorph> Eric3 is awesome
[11:35] <Paradoxx_jm> yep, i'm looking at it now..
[11:35] <insanekane> hmm
[11:36] <insanekane> nikkia: obviosly, it is not assigned
[11:36] <nikkia> insanekane: it IS
[11:36] <nikkia> according to the debugger at least
[11:36] <insanekane> nikkia: check if the rvalue is really a component and not a null
[11:36] <insanekane> oh
[11:36] <nikkia> if i watch 'this' in the initialisation, the value changes, but then when update gets called later, its null again
[11:37] <insanekane> err ... update is a member function of Component or this ?
[11:37] <nikkia> of this
[11:37] <nikkia> its an overriden member function of the parent class
[11:37] <insanekane> right
[11:38] <insanekane> well, watching this doesn't make sense when you should be watching 'enabledComp' instead
[11:39] <deadzed> ho do I use Konqueror as admin for editing filesystem
[11:41] <insanekane> deadzed: i would think that is obvious and not worth a question
[11:41] <insanekane> deadzed: so maybe you should be more specific
[11:42] <deadzed> I dont know how :( .. In most linux dstros there is admin file manager ... but Its not installed by default in kubuntu it seems
[11:43] <insanekane> deadzed:
[11:44] <insanekane> deadzed: can you see the System button ? (just to the right of the KMenu button)
[11:44] <insanekane> deadzed: click it, and at the top, you see Home Folder
[11:44] <insanekane> deadzed: click that, and you will see a Konqueror showing the contents of your UNIX home folder
[11:45] <insanekane> deadzed: after that ... press F9 ... you will see the sidebar
[11:45] <insanekane> deadzed: look at the bottommost button in the sidebar (a red folder) ..
[11:45] <insanekane> deadzed: click it, to see the whole filesystem
[11:46] <nikkia> insanekane: in fairness, he said 'as admin'
[11:46] <deadzed> nope .. same thing .. no admin privileges .. write access denied
[11:46] <deadzed> nevermind
[11:46] <deadzed> Ill get admin manager
[11:47] <deadzed> new kde looks nice :)
[11:47] <Paradoxx_jm> insanekane: have you ever used DrPython?
[11:47] <insanekane> deadzed: you can also do sudo konqueror :)
[11:47] <insanekane> nikkia: :)
[11:47] <insanekane> deadzed: sorry
[11:47] <insanekane> Paradoxx_jm: yes, and I got tired of it
[11:48] <Paradoxx_jm> insanekane: why is that?
[11:48] <aci> i'm using the standard kubuntu-irc-chat-program. how can i minimize to task??
[11:48] <insanekane> Paradoxx_jm: well, since there a couple of ladies in the room, I'd rather not say ;)
[11:48] <deadzed> root@ubuntu:/home/deadzed # sudo konqueror
[11:48] <deadzed> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[11:48] <deadzed> Xlib: No protocol specified
[11:49] <insanekane> aci: at the top right of the window, three buttons ... the one with a line along the bottom, is the minimise button
[11:49] <Paradoxx_jm> insanekane: lol, that dosen't tell me much :P
[11:49] <insanekane> Paradoxx_jm: i would suggest Eric3 ...which uses Qt Designer .. much better than DrPython
[11:49] <Paradoxx_jm> aight
[11:50] <aci> hehe thx, i'm a linux-noob but no noob in general! i meant minimize to the little task-symbols ;)
[11:50] <Paradoxx_jm> insanekane: for general scripting, my friend just uses vi, would you recommend that or, eric3 prefereed there aswell
[11:50] <Paradoxx_jm> lol, aci, i figured thats now the answer you would want...
[11:51] <Paradoxx_jm> but what 'task- symbols'?
[11:51] <deadzed> aci you mean minimize to tray ?
[11:51] <deadzed> he means tray
[11:51] <aci> jep
[11:51] <Paradoxx_jm> is "ctrl+alt+d" what you want?
[11:52] <aci> nope
[11:52] <deadzed> aci .. you cant
[11:52] <aci> i want a symbol in tray instead of task
[11:52] <deadzed> its not written into konversation i think
[11:52] <insanekane> Paradoxx_jm: well, for very small changes, I do use vi, and/or Kate ... but for my larger projects, i use Eric3
[11:53] <Paradoxx_jm> insanekane: aight insane... ty much
[11:53] <insanekane> np
[11:54] <Paradoxx_jm> insanekane: one last thing, for gui building i was planning to learn pygtk, you have any other recommendations?
[11:54] <insanekane> Paradoxx_jm: if you are not developing closed source apps, I would *really* suggest PyQt
[11:54] <Paradoxx_jm> insanekane: why you say that?
[11:54] <insanekane> Paradoxx_jm: in addition, if you are developing targetting KDE, PyKDE is also really good
[11:55] <insanekane> Paradoxx_jm: not that its really possible to develop closed source apps in Python :) ... but if you still want some measure of 'protection' for your code, then PyQt license does not allow it ... unless you buy Qt and PyQt-> a costly proposition
[11:56] <insanekane> Paradoxx_jm: i develop commercial apps, but under GPL ... so I still get to use PyQt
[11:56] <buz> for internal apps, the licence couldnt matter less
[11:56] <buz> besides, Qt pays for itself
[11:56] <Paradoxx_jm> aight, ty much..
[11:56] <insanekane> buz: yes ... hence the "closed source"
[11:57] <Paradoxx_jm> nothing commercial atm, just creating guis for a few python scripts i use to update some zope/plone sites...
[11:57] <Paradoxx_jm> lol
[11:57] <Paradoxx_jm> buz: why is that?
[11:57] <buz> giant mess it is
[11:58] <buz> does everything and nothing
[11:58] <insanekane> yes very true
[11:58] <Paradoxx_jm> buz: lol, you just sound annoyed, cause you didn't take to time to learn it properly..
[11:58] <buz> ezpublish ain't simple
[11:58] <buz> but i rather wrap my around that than zope
[11:59] <insanekane> zodb is .... slow :)
[11:59] <buz> i've once been in a plone project
[11:59] <buz> i've sworn i'll never be again
[11:59] <Paradoxx_jm> buz: i don't know it all that well yet, but part of my summer job has me learning zope, and it looks really cool, some of my friends swear by drupal, but i guess i plan to learn both well one day...
[12:00] <buz> drupal isn't in the same league i think
[12:00] <buz> the cms triumvirat is probably plone/zope, typo3, ezpublish
[12:00] <buz> and possibly coocoon but that's more of a toolkit than a real cms
[12:00] <Paradoxx_jm> totally agree, but drupal has its strengths, especially for smaller projects...
[12:00] <insanekane> php ... sucks :)
[12:01] <buz> i'm no fan of php as a language
[12:01] <Paradoxx_jm> lol insane..
[12:01] <buz> python is cleaner by design
[12:01] <Paradoxx_jm> well, i haven't learned php yet...
[12:01] <insanekane> i think, as far as frameworks go ... Jakarta Turbine is the way to go :)
[12:01] <buz> but realistically, i dont want to develop a cms from scratch
[12:01] <Paradoxx_jm> but from my experience, you have alot of ppl that swear by it, and equal the number who hate it...
[12:02] <buz> php is a hacky language
[12:02] <buz> you can write clean code but most people who use don't know jack about programming
[12:02] <buz> i tend to think of it as the visual basic of the web
[12:02] <Paradoxx_jm> thats a bit harsh don't you think?
[12:03] <buz> well VB.NET isn't a bad language per se
[12:03] <buz> it's more the users of it that make it bad
[12:03] <buz> i'll give you that VB pre NET was ugly
[12:03] <insanekane> Paradoxx_jm: not at all harsh imho
[12:04] <Paradoxx_jm> well, i'll take you guys word for it...
[12:04] <buz> i mean you can write crap code in pretty much any language
[12:04] <buz> some just make it easier
[12:05] <Paradoxx_jm> i need to install ubuntu, and get of this livecd stuff...
[12:05] <buz> good choice
[12:05] <buz> tho you will want to use kubuntu ;)
[12:06] <Paradoxx_jm> y u say that?
[12:06] <buz> cause kde >> gnome
[12:06] <Paradoxx_jm> we all kno gnome>kde
[12:06] <bjv> and you are in the kubuntu channel?
[12:06] <buz> youre in the wrong channel then
[12:06] <Paradoxx_jm> lol, guess we both think alike..
[12:06] <Paradoxx_jm> lol
[12:07] <Paradoxx_jm> well i am on the kubuntu live cd..
[12:07] <Paradoxx_jm> but y do you prefer kde anyway?
[12:07] <insanekane> kde is simply lovely :)
[12:07] <Paradoxx_jm> i have never really gotten a proper answer to the whole kde vs gnome thing..
[12:07] <insanekane> Paradoxx_jm: its a subjective question
[12:07] <Paradoxx_jm> i wouldn't neccesarily say i'm a computer newby, but i lack linux experience if anything...
[12:08] <insanekane> Paradoxx_jm: on the other hand, ive always found the KDE related channels much more inviting ... not to mention the apps
[12:08] <deadzed> how do I report kubuntu bugs? .. I cant use Control Centre in admin mode :(
[12:08] <insanekane> Paradoxx_jm: heck, if it wasnt for Mozilla and OOo, what else good has GTK/GNOME made ?
[12:08] <insanekane> deadzed: hmm ... me neither ... i think it has been reported though
[12:08] <Paradoxx_jm> my boss says he uses it, cause most of the apps he usues are gtk based
[12:08] <Paradoxx_jm> gimp
[12:09] <deadzed> Paradoxx_jm gnome is simpler and more like win .. kde looks nice and more apps for it etc
[12:09] <Paradoxx_jm> if i recall correctly..
[12:09] <insanekane> deadzed: you should try sudo kcontrol
[12:09] <insanekane> Paradoxx_jm: oh yeah ... and GIMP :)
[12:09] <insanekane> Paradoxx_jm: anyway, KDE has far more integration possibilities
[12:09] <insanekane> what with kio slaves, kparts, etc
[12:09] <insanekane> oh yeah, and DCOP :)
[12:10] <deadzed> insanekane : sudo kcontrol crashed and gave me 50 lines of errors :) .. kubuntu default install 30 mins ago :)
[12:11] <Paradoxx_jm> apt-get is soo nice...
[12:11] <Paradoxx_jm> *sigh*
[12:11] <deadzed> Paradoxx_jm when did you get acquainted to linux?
[12:11] <Paradoxx_jm> reminds me of portage days..
[12:11] <deadzed> aah .. youre a pro :)
[12:12] <Paradoxx_jm> deadzed: not really...i have only been playing around it for a couple years, nothing too much
[12:12] <insanekane> deadzed: hrmm .. i did sudo kcontrol .. and it was ok
[12:12] <Paradoxx_jm> deadzed: my first linux distro, was redhat 7.2 which my dad and i bought a couple years back..i still remmeber the headaches of trying to get that to diual boot, lol
[12:12] <deadzed> portege is gentoo, I know .. but its only sources I think ... apt-get is one of the best things in computer world I think
[12:13] <deadzed> people use linux because of apt-get I think
[12:13] <deadzed> have started to use I mean
[12:13] <Paradoxx_jm> deadzed: but generally i have played around with it for a cople year,s but i generally been afraid to make the linux switch..
[12:14] <deadzed> My first linux was redhat 9 I think
[12:14] <Paradoxx_jm> deadzed: so i went thru trying a couple diffrent distros, RH, Mandrake (both of which i though were fat and bloated as hell) and i really didn't learn anything about linux that way..
[12:14] <Paradoxx_jm> deadzed: then i found gentoo, and i fell in love..
[12:15] <Paradoxx_jm> never really got into suse, to tell you the truth...
[12:15] <deadzed> I tried all those newbie distros as well :) ... gentoo was too geeky for me :) .. I like debian :)
[12:15] <deadzed> and debian distros
[12:15] <insanekane> nikkia: figured out the error yet ?
[12:16] <Paradoxx_jm> but i don't have much time nowadays, so a gentoo installation, is a bit o ask, and then i found ubuntu, and its been a nice balance for me...
[12:16] <deadzed> Paradoxx_jm tbh .. I like debian base installation with xfce desktop :)
[12:16] <deadzed> but Ubuntu is a very nice project
[12:16] <Paradoxx_jm> so thats where i am at, and since my windows installation got corrupted the other day.. *sigh* i just decided maybe its time to make the switch...
[12:17] <Paradoxx_jm> so hopefully when/if i get back my data...dammit to hell if i'm gonna d/l the naruto episodes again...
[12:17] <Paradoxx_jm> lol
[12:17] <deadzed> I make backups of my linux and win partitions with partimage .. its like norton ghost
[12:18] <Yoda_JOB> A newbie questions: Is 10 GB partition enaught for kubunto? Which boot loader is installed its easy to se win as def ?
[12:18] <Paradoxx_jm> yep, but i have nothing to push my images to...
[12:18] <deadzed> Paradoxx_jm make backup images of your win with partimage next time .. apt -get partimage
[12:18] <deadzed> harddrives are sooo cheap nowadays
[12:18] <deadzed> Yoda_JOB 3-5 gb is plenty
[12:19] <deadzed> Yoda_JOB: grub
[12:19] <insanekane> Yoda_JOB: 10 GB enough ... after you install, come in here and someone will probably help you set windows as default
[12:19] <Paradoxx_jm> yep... well, my currect installation is partitioned, win installation = 20 gb, programs = 40gb and then storgae = 100...
[12:19] <Paradoxx_jm> so hopefully the stuff on the other two partitions are ok...
[12:20] <deadzed> I wanna upgrade my box .. I have 3 120gb hdd-s and cdrom connected all the time and its not enough :)
[12:20] <Yoda_JOB> il make ghost image :D
[12:20] <Yoda_JOB> of win partition
[12:20] <insanekane> ok ciao all
[12:21] <Paradoxx_jm> when i go to the US, i plan to buy a 250GB hd and use it as an external drive
[12:21] <Paradoxx_jm> then i'll see what i gcan do back up wise, and then its str8 ubuntu for me..
[12:21] <deadzed> Paradoxx_jm where are you now then?
[12:21] <Paradoxx_jm> deadzed: Jamaica
[12:21] <Yoda_JOB> nice
[12:22] <deadzed> i too have some friends in new york :)
[12:22] <Yoda_JOB> im from slovenia :P
[12:22] <Paradoxx_jm> cool
[12:22] <tikka> you guys help base installation of ubuntu by any chance?
[12:22] <tikka> i have a dilema
[12:22] <tikka> :/
[12:22] <Paradoxx_jm> tikka: sup?
[12:22] <tikka> "Testing Network Repository".... 50% hanging there.
[12:22] <simonbp> I just installed kubuntu the other day forthe first time. It's very slick.
[12:23] <simonbp> Right now I'm working on a mail server on Debian. Not easy, for sure.
[12:23] <Paradoxx_jm> maybe its a bad burn...
[12:24] <tikka> Ive modifed the /etc/resolv.conf to use my isp dns server as i know my router is gay. Tried killing some pids to go back and restart it that failed. Started fresh install again and reached same problem. not touched it. decided to get you guys to help :D
[12:24] <tikka> i see
[12:24] <tikka> its one of the mass produced disks
[12:24] <tikka> but i guess that means not alot ;p
[12:24] <Kmorph> tikka::you definately have a network. Right? what kind of network are youon
[12:24] <deadzed> tikka repository apps hang often ... apt-get install hangs less
[12:25] <tikka> adsl distributed by a d-link adsl modem and router with wireless. connecting the pc to that directly with cat5 and from busybox i can wget www.google.com altho.. it doesnt actually download the index it does show the resolved ip of google
[12:25] <tikka> i see
[12:26] <tikka> hmm
[12:26] <tikka> it doesnt seem to time out
[12:26] <tikka> which is irritating
[12:26] <tikka> im a bit lossed reallu
[12:26] <tikka> really
[12:26] <tikka> is it a bad idea to kill the pid and skip that step?
[12:27] <Kmorph> tikka::why not try and download and do the install locally
[12:28] <tikka> to be fair
[12:28] <tikka> all ive done is put cd in
[12:28] <tikka> press enter a few times
[12:28] <tikka> lol
[12:28] <tikka> i havent asked to do a net install
[12:28] <tikka> gr its still hanging there bugger
[12:28] <nikkia> christ, how did i ever manage with gimp 2.2 ??
[12:29] <Kmorph> wasup nikkia
[12:29] <tikka> what has changed
[12:29] <nikkia> tikka, with gimp 2.3? the auto-scroll is now a reasonable speed
[12:30] <nikkia> and given that i'm pixel-perfect cutting regions out and moving them in a huge image, its a godsend :)
[12:30] <tikka> ah
[12:30] <tikka> :)
[12:30] <tikka> cool :D
[12:30] <tikka> oh my.. the progress bar has moved to 75%
[12:30] <tikka> how loing should the bugger take
[12:31] <tikka> nikkia, do you find gimp to be user friendly?
[12:31] <tikka> im used to photoshop etc
[12:31] <tikka> and gimp has felt so alien every time ive attempted to use it
[12:31] <nikkia> tikka, once you're used to it, gimp is better than PS
[12:31] <tikka> cool
[12:31] <nikkia> being able to program scheme, and thus being able to extend gimp yourself, helps
[12:32] <tikka> never touched it
[12:32] <tikka> I cannot even imagine at this moment what I could add lol
[12:33] <Kmorph> does any of you use an AMD64 box? I need afew techie aspects of the box and the workability.
[12:34] <tikka> if it relates to pin out of cpu and hardware side i could perhaps help. not installed linux on a 64unfortunatly.
[12:34] <tikka> ah shit
[12:34] <tikka> i know why its failing..
[12:34] <tikka> I have a wireless router
[12:34] <tikka> and ive not got wep etc
[12:35] <tikka> but i do firewall http on the next available i
[12:35] <tikka> ip
[12:35] <tikka> so if any loooooser warwalks me
[12:35] <tikka> they cant get net
[12:35] <tikka> crap lol
[12:35] <nikkia> tikka, well, for example, i have scripts to turn off all layers except the currently selected layer, to copy all visible layers to another image, to select the extents of the current layer, and report its size and position ...
[12:35] <tikka> ahh
[12:35] <tikka> so now that all sounds practical stuff to me
[12:35] <tikka> very handy
[12:36] <tikka> im not gfx god but i would use that stuff all the time
[12:37] <nikkia> my images are usually individual sprites on layers, so i do a lot of layer manipulation, needing to know what position the sprite is at so i can put that in the code, etc
[12:38] <tikka> i see
[12:38] <tikka> 2 questions..
[12:38] <tikka> 1 are you female
[12:38] <tikka> 2 anything i can view?
[12:38] <tikka> thats a bad sequence..
[12:38] <tikka> 2 any of your art i can see?
[12:39] <tikka> ;p
[12:39] <tikka> still looks bad
[12:39] <nikkia> i'm not an artist, just a programme
[12:39] <nikkia> as for 1, yes
[12:39] <tikka> i see
[12:39] <tikka> cool
[12:41] <Paradoxx_jm> lol
[12:41] <Kmorph> Tikka::Thanks, thought maybe u'd installed it on an AMD64 box
[12:42] <Paradoxx_jm> as to the whole gimp thing, i recognise that its a powerful ap, its defenetly slightly frustrating, especiallycoming from phtoshop..
[12:42] <tikka> afraid not no sorry
[12:42] <tikka> im poor
[12:42] <tikka> ;p
[12:42] <tikka> altho my 32 bit stuff was nearly as expensive
[12:42] <tikka> Paradoxx_jm, yea its a bit.. ga ga ;p
[12:42] <Paradoxx_jm> how the gui is set up now, takes some getting use to, i.e having all the components in a diffrent windows..
[12:42] <Paradoxx_jm> i still haven't gotten it yet, but then i haven't really sat down and learned the stuff...
[12:43] <Paradoxx_jm> but i do recognice the strength of the app
[12:43] <tikka> I have always heard how powerful it is
[12:43] <Paradoxx_jm> yep
[12:43] <tikka> but not seen it knowingly first hand
[12:43] <Paradoxx_jm> yep
[12:44] <Paradoxx_jm> i dunno, as with the whole linux thing, it took a pro for me to really see how cool linux is, aswell as gimp..
[12:44] <tikka> is ee
[12:44] <tikka> ii see
[12:44] <tikka> god my keyboard
[12:44] <tikka> I can relate however..
[12:44] <tikka> i started with redhat 6
[12:44] <tikka> mandrake 6
[12:44] <Paradoxx_jm> i have always liked linux, and various distros etc, and i have tried to get into it, but never was succesful, and often too afraid to wipe windows...
[12:44] <tikka> and loved kde
[12:45] <tikka> yea thats quite the norm for everyone
[12:45] <tikka> for example I use windows (and mac) specific audio sequenceres
[12:45] <Paradoxx_jm> yep, i think kde is VERY nice, but, somehow gnome just seems clean and nice..
[12:45] <tikka> sequencers
[12:45] <Paradoxx_jm> yep
[12:45] <tikka> reason mainly
[12:45] <Paradoxx_jm> i c
[12:45] <tikka> ok its pirate
[12:45] <tikka> so im not losing money
[12:46] <tikka> but its a really powerful system
[12:46] <tikka> and i do wish to learn more about music production etc
[12:46] <tikka> so its either by a mac or lose out
[12:46] <tikka> lol
[12:46] <Paradoxx_jm> well, wwhere i am currectly working i'm useing ubuntu, so that has really helped me to get into linux...and now, i'm soo close to making the switch it hurts..
[12:46] <Paradoxx_jm> oh ok..
[12:46] <tikka> hehe cool
[12:46] <tikka> funily enough
[12:46] <Paradoxx_jm> well, i'm sure you could find some stuff open source, if you were willing to learn..
[12:47] <tikka> at work is where i fell in love with ubuntu
[12:47] <tikka> I want to enter uni next year
[12:47] <tikka> so i guess im going to need to use the more standard tools
[12:47] <Paradoxx_jm> same..
[12:47] <tikka> but free sounds cool to me either way hehe
[12:47] <tikka> maybe that could be my task for the day
[12:47] <tikka> looking into replacements
[12:47] <Paradoxx_jm> yep, i also want to kinda step away from the whole s/w pricay thing...
[12:48] <Paradoxx_jm> nothing on my win box is legal, lol
[12:48] <tikka> lol same
[12:48] <Paradoxx_jm> escpent probably gimp, but then thats free
[12:48] <tikka> yea
[12:48] <tikka> im using xchat atn
[12:48] <Paradoxx_jm> and the animie i watch, but then japan dosen't have the same copyright legisltation as the US
[12:48] <tikka> atm
[12:48] <tikka> i see
[12:49] <Paradoxx_jm> i'm on the kubuntu livecd...
[12:49] <tikka> well piracy i like, been a fan of it since the day i owned a pc ahah
[12:49] <tikka> ive not seen kubuntu yet
[12:49] <Paradoxx_jm> lol, my winxp installation corrupted..
[12:49] <tikka> lol
[12:49] <Kmorph> Has anyone developed on a 64bit linux box? I trying to do a MySQL frontend GUI and have no idea if it'll work on 32bit boxes. My OS = kubuntu
[12:49] <Paradoxx_jm> so i been running off a live cd the past week...
[12:49] <tikka> sounds about right ;)
[12:50] <Paradoxx_jm> i mean, ive been a pirate from birth, back to the napster beta days...
[12:50] <Paradoxx_jm> *sigh* that was a long time back...
[12:50] <Paradoxx_jm> lol
[12:51] <tikka> kmorph, forgive me. Im not wanting to be rude especialy as im far from an expert. If you compile and distribute as a binary it will not work on a 32bit arch.
[12:51] <Kmorph> Thanks tikka. I had no idea.
[12:51] <tikka> u can send me it for beta if you like as I will have it on a 32 bit system in a bit
[12:51] <tikka> ah i see..
[12:51] <tikka> when you compile to a specific cpu type
[12:52] <Kmorph> Let me do some finishing touches the send it to you.
[12:52] <tikka> your using mnemonics, registers from that cpu.. in other words 64bit registers for example, rax is the 64 bit ax register.. and eax is the 32.. 64 stuff wont work on 32 but i guess if its loosly compiled 32 could work on 64.. but again not sure.
[12:53] <tikka> I dont have enough experience
[12:53] <tikka> :D
[12:53] <Paradoxx_jm> lol, i wanted to walk up early this morning to do some work on a proposal...
[12:53] <Paradoxx_jm> it was defenetly a bad idea to come onto msn..
[12:53] <Paradoxx_jm> lol
[12:53] <tikka> ahah
[12:53] <Paradoxx_jm> not msn, lol irc
[12:54] <Paradoxx_jm> grrr, damn you guys *shakes fist in anger*
[12:54] <tikka> I have just lost all respect for you now after saying irc is like msn ;p
[12:54] <tikka> spose its still full of the idiots
[12:54] <tikka> but man
[12:54] <tikka> ;p
[12:54] <Paradoxx_jm> nah, i just got msn working actually, thats y i made the mistake...
[12:54] <tikka> hehe
[12:55] <Paradoxx_jm> damn kopete dosen't authenticate with the server..
[12:55] <tikka> hmm
[12:55] <Paradoxx_jm> so i just did an apt-get for gaim, and problem solved
[12:55] <tikka> i didnt like that client much to be really honest
[12:55] <Paradoxx_jm> damn i love linux
[12:55] <tikka> yea
[12:55] <Paradoxx_jm> i'm only useing it cause it comes default with the the kubuntu live cd..
[12:55] <tikka> ya
[12:55] <tikka> whats wrong with ur windows install
[12:55] <tikka> err?
[12:55] <tikka> error?
[12:56] <Paradoxx_jm> well, i was useing it during the passing of a hurricane...and it seems that the power surges must of corrupted the installation
[12:56] <Paradoxx_jm> it dosen't sound like anything wrong wit hthe actualy drive..
[12:56] <Paradoxx_jm> actual*
[12:56] <tikka> what is the error you see
[12:56] <tikka> if you see one
[12:57] <tikka> I worked as a computer engineer for a year doing this type of crap
[12:57] <Paradoxx_jm> forgive my typing, lol, its still early in the morning, and my fingers don't seem to have woken up yet..
[12:57] <tikka> no problem
[12:57] <tikka> most problems are solved doing a repair install from thewindows cd
[12:57] <Paradoxx_jm> yep...
[12:57] <Paradoxx_jm> don't have one atm though..
[12:57] <tikka> does it say
[12:57] <Paradoxx_jm> lol, i save all my cd images to my hd..
[12:57] <tikka> missing ntldr
[12:57] <Paradoxx_jm> i think so
[12:57] <tikka> thats the most common
[12:58] <tikka> ok..
[12:58] <tikka> all u need to do is...
[12:58] <tikka> well.. question
[12:58] <Paradoxx_jm> when it boots i get a blue screen with some diffrent stuff
[12:58] <tikka> does the kubuntu live cd allow ntfs writing
[12:58] <tikka> ah no thats not it
[12:58] <Paradoxx_jm> somthing about file corruption..
[12:58] <tikka> without knowing what it says i will shh now
[12:58] <Paradoxx_jm> or the other
[12:58] <tikka> yea
[12:58] <Paradoxx_jm> i don't remember atm..
[12:58] <tikka> heh
[12:58] <tikka> hehe
[12:58] <tikka> well if u have trouble which u wont
[12:58] <Paradoxx_jm> though i could reboot and go look
[12:58] <tikka> ill give u a hand
[12:59] <Paradoxx_jm> ?
[12:59] <Paradoxx_jm> should i?
[12:59] <Kmorph> are there any Kubuntu developers in room?
[01:00] <tikka> if u like
[01:00] <tikka> but ur enjoying linux
[01:00] <tikka> soooo :D
[01:00] <tikka> its counter productive to fix windows
[01:01] <Paradoxx_jm> lol
[01:01] <Paradoxx_jm> i only want to fix it, so i can get my data and then wipe it...
[01:01] <Paradoxx_jm> lol
[01:01] <tikka> hehe
[01:01] <tikka> use linux to read the disk :D
[01:01] <Paradoxx_jm> i have like 80gb of animie...i'll b damned if i gonna do that again..
[01:01] <Paradoxx_jm> how so?
[01:01] <tikka> hehe
[01:01] <Paradoxx_jm> isn't NTFS partition reading buggy?
[01:02] <deadzed> how do I install nvidia? I did everything like ubuntuguide said... but it dont work :( ... screen just stays blank ... had to resotre xorg.conf and Im stuck now
[01:02] <tikka> mkdir /mnt/hda1/ && mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1
[01:02] <deadzed> Paradoxx_jm reading ntfs is fine ... write to it at your own risk
[01:02] <Paradoxx_jm> aight
[01:02] <tikka> deadzed, , the answer in my opinion is.. trial and error.. took me quite some time to get nvidia working on other distros.. mandrake etc.
[01:02] <Paradoxx_jm> i'll try that commang out..
[01:03] <deadzed> hmh ,,, Im stuck
[01:03] <tikka> anything in particular
[01:03] <tikka> u added the glx stuff etc to the config ?
[01:03] <deadzed> me? stuck with nvida
[01:03] <deadzed> I did sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings
[01:03] <tikka> ah right
[01:03] <deadzed> nvidia-glx is already the newest version.
[01:03] <deadzed> nvidia-settings is already the newest version
[01:04] <tikka> i see
[01:04] <tikka> well
[01:04] <tikka> remove it
[01:04] <tikka> start again
[01:04] <deadzed> why
[01:04] <tikka> why not
[01:04] <tikka> www.nvidia.com
[01:04] <tikka> well
[01:04] <deadzed> what difference would it make
[01:04] <tikka> dare i say break away from portage
[01:04] <tikka> im about to get tanned for that
[01:04] <tikka> ;p
[01:04] <Paradoxx_jm> tikka: it says i must specify filesystem type
[01:04] <tikka> hmm..
[01:04] <tikka> is it a branded machine
[01:04] <tikka> like packard bell
[01:05] <tikka> u might wanna try hda2
[01:05] <tikka> instead of 1
[01:05] <tikka> that is the second partition on that disk
[01:05] <deadzed> tikka did you give this www.nvidia.com to me ?
[01:05] <tikka> deadzed, what im thinking is.. install the package from there. install by hand. that is how i personaly did it.. that is the only way i know how. I havent a clue what happens when you apt-get it
[01:06] <tikka> problem being im doing an install now
[01:06] <tikka> but with an ati card
[01:06] <tikka> so i cant even go through it with you
[01:06] <deadzed> well , I can try .. cant see how It'd make a difference
[01:06] <tikka> did you at any time
[01:06] <tikka> get the nvidia logo when starting x?
[01:06] <Paradoxx_jm> tikka: well, the hd, is a sata drive that i use through an PCI raid card...
[01:06] <tikka> paradoxx, same here.
[01:07] <tikka> this ubuntu saw it first time
[01:07] <tikka> that also means then though
[01:07] <tikka> ur using the SCSI file descriptors in /dev/
[01:07] <tikka> ill check mine in a sec for you
[01:07] <tikka> u using primary or secondary channl
[01:07] <Paradoxx_jm> should b primary, if i recall correctly
[01:07] <tikka> erm..
[01:08] <tikka> u wont believe what mine says
[01:08] <tikka> erm
[01:08] <tikka> /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1
[01:08] <tikka> fuck
[01:08] <tikka> lol
[01:09] <deadzed> Paradoxx_jm are you native jamaican then? :)
[01:09] <Paradoxx_jm> ype
[01:09] <deadzed> heh :)
[01:09] <deadzed> I though all jamicans roll spliffs all day and chill ..not hack linux :)
[01:09] <deadzed> kidding :)
[01:10] <Paradoxx_jm> nah, thats just those that live in the trees
[01:10] <Paradoxx_jm> but then playing with monkeys all day has that afet on you...
[01:10] <Paradoxx_jm> gotta cut a spliff every once in a while...
[01:10] <tikka> lol
[01:10] <deadzed> :)
[01:10] <Paradoxx_jm> :P
[01:11] <deadzed> hack linux box wif spliff in one hand :)
[01:11] <Paradoxx_jm> :P
[01:11] <deadzed> cant get a shit
[01:11] <Paradoxx_jm> it ssays no such file or directory..
[01:12] <Paradoxx_jm> dammit it, i just realized how much this is gonna suck...cause even when i get the win xp cd, i'm gonna need drivers so that i can even see my hd
[01:12] <Paradoxx_jm> but does it ask you to load the drivers when you doing a repair?
[01:12] <tikka> yea
[01:12] <tikka> f6
[01:13] <tikka> then provide floppy disk with drivers on
[01:13] <tikka> :D
[01:13] <Paradoxx_jm> the f6 is when the cd just boots..
[01:13] <tikka> pain huh lol
[01:13] <tikka> when its starting the cd
[01:13] <Paradoxx_jm> aight, i was tryingto remember if it was only during install
[01:13] <tikka> it says at bottom
[01:13] <Paradoxx_jm> yep
[01:13] <tikka> f6 to install scsi raid whatever
[01:13] <Paradoxx_jm> hopefully i can get the cd today...
[01:14] <tikka> if u got the iso
[01:14] <tikka> use k3b from linux
[01:14] <Paradoxx_jm> get my stuff tomorrow, then when i get my new hd, i'lld just push images there and wipe this one...
[01:15] <Paradoxx_jm> when i try a ls on /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 it says that there is no such file or directory...
[01:15] <tikka> try going back a few directorys
[01:15] <tikka> u might have to look up ur card on the net
[01:17] <Paradoxx_jm> probably...
[01:18] <Paradoxx_jm> bt i'm gonna have to do that later....
[01:18] <Paradoxx_jm> hmm, what video formats does mplayer supper?
[01:18] <nikkia> Paradoxx_jm: almost all of them
[01:19] <Paradoxx_jm> what about kaffine?
[01:19] <nikkia> dunno, never really used kaffeine
[01:19] <Paradoxx_jm> which comes default with kde
[01:19] <nikkia> by default on kubuntu, kaffeine won't support much
[01:19] <nikkia> because of the restricted formats stuff
[01:20] <Paradoxx_jm> aight
[01:20] <Paradoxx_jm> damn, i'm tired...
[01:20] <nikkia> !divx
[01:20] <ubotu> rumour has it, divx is read http://wiki.ubutnu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about divx support
[01:20] <nikkia> there, read that
[01:21] <Paradoxx_jm> damn konqurer sucks bollox...
[01:21] <tikka> cool where can i get a copy?
[01:22] <tikka> :D
[01:22] <Paradoxx_jm> can't wait till firefox 1.5 comes out...
[01:22] <Paradoxx_jm> *patiently awaits september*
[01:22] <tikka> is it here yet?
[01:22] <tikka> is it here yet?
[01:22] <tikka> are we nearly there yet?
[01:22] <Paradoxx_jm> oOo v2 needs to come out aswell...
[01:22] <Paradoxx_jm> lol
[01:23] <Paradoxx_jm> hey tikka have you ever seen mythtv?
[01:24] <Paradoxx_jm> the s/w is why i love opensource...
[01:32] <fromoze> nikkia: the link for !divx is incorrect, ubuntu is mispelled
[01:34] <nikkia> fromoze: well spotted, thankfully, i didn't set the trigger, so its not me thats stupid :P
[01:35] <fromoze> :)
[01:41] <carsten> Moin moin. Is anyone in here selfcompiling KDE on kubuntu?
[01:48] <tikka_> back
[01:48] <tikka_> ubuntu
[01:48] <tikka_> is sexty
[01:48] <tikka_> it has to be said
[01:48] <tikka_> considering last installation of linux i did was a stage 1 gentoo..
[01:48] <tikka_> it makes me feel like exploding with excitement
[01:48] <tikka_> :D
[01:49] <tikka_> if anyone cares ;p
[02:10] <Riggzy_Linux> Jeez, that was weird
[02:10] <Riggzy_Linux> I added the extra compsite section to my xorg.conf to try out the KDE transparency last night, and OpenGL stopped working
[02:10] <Riggzy_Linux> just removed it and its fine again
[02:10] <Riggzy_Linux> ALSA still dosent want to work though
[02:12] <Riggzy_Linux> Ah there we go ;-)
[02:12] <nikkia> Riggzy_Linux: umm, yes, opengl is disabled if composite is enabled
[02:13] <nikkia> there is an option to enable both at the same time, but be prepared for unreliability :P
[02:13] <Riggzy_Linux> lol
[02:13] <Riggzy_Linux> The transparency (performancewise) sucked anyway... cant wait to see what KDE4 is gonna be like
[02:14] <nikkia> unless they get composite+gl a lot more reliable, i don't think i'll care what kde4 looks like if it uses composite, because i really don't need my desktop to just vanish every few minutes :P
[02:19] <buz> not to mention muuuuuch faster
[02:23] <nikkia> buz, plasma scares me for that reason
[02:23] <buz> maybe well have xgl until then
[02:23] <nikkia> buz, look at how sluggish superkaramba can make your desktop
[02:24] <Riggzy_Linux> I got that the other day to try out err, KXDock?
[02:24] <Riggzy_Linux> cant remember lol
[02:24] <nikkia> and yes, i've read the plasma stuff, i know that the core of plasma won't be python itself, but i can't help thinking 'someone will insist that some essential panel widget will be a python program bound to plasma'
[02:25] <Riggzy_Linux> I was trying to compile "Wired" (a music production program) the other day, and i was banging my head o nthe desk for hours wondering why it wouldn't compile, and it turns out its a wxWidgets app
[02:41] <nikkia> afternoon apokryphos
[02:41] <apokryphos> ouch, it is afternoon isn't it. Spent some time today and yesterday trying to get evil groupware stuff working
[02:42] <apokryphos> it was meant to be a complete nightmare in 3.4, but apparently more fixed up in 3.4.1 -- still not really working. Gonna try svn.
[02:42] <apokryphos> how's LFS going? :)
[02:42] <nikkia> haven't really needed to, or had time to, do much more recently
[02:43] <nikkia> had to recompile my kernel a couple of times last night trying to get bluetooth to work, but thats all
[02:43] <apokryphos> ah yes, the work for those Spaniards
[02:44] <nikkia> btw, you know my vanishing menus? it was because kdelibs put some stuff in /usr/etc, i had reconfigured it with --sysconfdir=/etc, but apparently that's not where its getting /usr/etc from
[02:44] <apokryphos> hah
[02:45] <othernoob> nikkia: do you know the books "algorithm" and "algorithm in C" by sedgewick?
[02:45] <nikkia> othernoob: nope
[02:45] <othernoob> :( i could get both for half the price and i don't know what the difference is
[02:49] <nikkia> apokryphos: do you know any high-street store that sells micro-filters btw?
[02:50] <apokryphos> nikkia: won't places like Maplin etc. sell it?
[02:50] <apokryphos> Bulldog gave us a few free and we haven't needed any since, as I recall
[02:50] <nikkia> apokryphos: no mapline near here really
[02:50] <nikkia> hmmm
[02:51] <nikkia> apokryphos: see, bulldog claim to include '1', i need 2
[02:51] <apokryphos> we got two..
[02:51] <apokryphos> (at least)
[02:51] <nikkia> of course, my DSL provider in the US said '1' and included '8' so there may be some flexibility with the usage of '1'
[02:51] <apokryphos> hah
[02:52] <nikkia> i'm a little concerned that my modem hasn't arrived yet, tbh
[02:52] <apokryphos> Dixons, PCWorld only others I can think of, really; or just another random electronic shop. PCworld isn't exactly high street though
[02:52] <apokryphos> how many days till apparent activation?
[02:52] <nikkia> 2
[02:53] <apokryphos> Hm, I actually wouldn't know when they send that -- we requested to not have one
[02:53] <apokryphos> (this is when they didn't give it for free)
[02:54] <nikkia> well, the email said 'shortly' on monday
[02:55] <apokryphos> I wouldn't be too worried yet, then.
[02:55] <nikkia> today or tomorrow would have made sense for it being delivered, but no sign yet
[02:55] <nikkia> don't think it said if it'd be posted or couriered tho
[02:56] <nikkia> i was quite impressed that the email includes my static IP number...
[02:56] <nikkia> but i'm not about to start changing my DDNS stuff over yet :)
[02:57] <nikkia> even more humourously, it includes the static IP as a link to http://[the IP] , well, that's not gonna work is it :P
[02:57] <apokryphos> heh
[02:58] <apokryphos> I wonder if the site works properly for anything other than IE now
[02:58] <nikkia> bulldog's ?
[02:58] <nikkia> it works ok in firefox, as far as i can tell
[02:58] <apokryphos> Yeah. I remember I couldn't properly get to some account information without IE
[02:59] <apokryphos> You can at least login with firefox -- with Konqueror it looks a bit odd and didn't let you, as I recall
[02:59] <apokryphos> ooo, slightly improved. There's actually enough space to enter my details in now, at least.
[02:59] <apokryphos> Still can't believe the site transition (to black)
[03:01] <insanekane> Riddell: any way to update OOo to >= m108 ?
[03:01] <insanekane> hello apokryphos, nikkia
[03:01] <apokryphos> hi insanekane
[03:02] <Riddell> insanekane: looks like it's at 1.9.114-1ubuntu3
[03:02] <insanekane> 114 ?? oh ..
[03:02] <insanekane> Riddell: im just downloading the source package ... and it says 1.9.72 :/
[03:02] <insanekane> err
[03:03] <insanekane> 1.9.79-2
[03:03] <insanekane> 0ubuntu2
[03:03] <insanekane> Riddell: which repository should I use to get the 1.9.114 ?
[03:03] <Riddell> insanekane: breezy
[03:03] <buz> insanekane: get the tarball from the site and run
[03:04] <buz> m118 tarball that is
[03:04] <insanekane> Riddell: has anyone tested with hoary ?
[03:04] <Riddell> doubt it
[03:04] <insanekane> buz: the source tarball from site hasv *never* worked for me :)
[03:04] <buz> oh it does work
[03:04] <insanekane> buz: well, it doesnt for me
[03:04] <apokryphos> Riddell: is kubuntu gonna package 3.4.2?
[03:04] <insanekane> the source package though, is a breeze :)
[03:04] <buz> must be something wrong with the way you install it probably
[03:04] <hussam> insanekane: get openoffice.org 1.9.121 deb from http://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org/devel/680/
[03:04] <Riddell> apokryphos: yep
[03:05] <buz> hussam's right, that's the easiest way
[03:05] <insanekane> hussam: is it a deb for ubuntu hoary ?
[03:05] <insanekane> hussam: does it have a source package ?
[03:05] <apokryphos> Riddell: cool; how's it going so far? :)
[03:05] <hussam> it works perfectly
[03:06] <hussam> I donno if it has source as well.
[03:06] <insanekane> hmm
[03:07] <insanekane> oh boy ... experiment-with-drastic-effects time
[03:07] <hussam> why do you need to patch?
[03:07] <Riddell> apokryphos: kdepim is being evil
[03:07] <insanekane> hussam: because i have to add functionality thats not in OOo :)
[03:07] <nikkia> 1.9 has no source per se
[03:08] <insanekane> indeed
[03:08] <nikkia> sun only release source when they do a proper release, so 1.1.4 or whatever is the latest 'source' release
[03:08] <apokryphos> Riddell: funny, I had trouble compiling the svn of it the other day (though I did today and it worked fine). I recall trouble in KNode among other things
[03:08] <insanekane> yeah yeah whatever :)
[03:08] <nikkia> they allude to svn on the site, but i think its internal to sun *shrug*
[03:09] <Riddell> there must be source else nobody could make packageS
[03:09] <insanekane> there are only milestone sources
[03:10] <hussam> insanekane: http://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org/devel/build/Sources/OOo_SRC680_m121_source.tar.gz
[03:10] <antrix> quick question, which package is kwrite in?
[03:11] <Riddell> antrix: kate
[03:11] <Riddell> antrix: it doesn't show in the menu
[03:11] <antrix> Riddell: why so? kate is too bulky for most tasks. kwrite is perfect
[03:12] <hussam> insanekane: that's the source code
[03:12] <apokryphos> antrix: kate is certainly superior (more developed) than kwrite. Funny, I always saw kate still as more light-weight
[03:12] <apokryphos> might be because of the female name :|
[03:12] <apokryphos> Anyhow, it's not that kwrite doesn't exist -- it's that it's not in the menu by default (you can add it).
[03:12] <antrix> apokryphos: true superior when it comes to coding. but just to read README, or to take notes.. too much. what with its tabs, etc
[03:13] <supernix> hussam: someone told me that your trying to compile FireFox for KDE hows that going ?
[03:13] <apokryphos> antrix: its tabs? They aren't on by default. Kate is quicker starting up, though, so I'd easily prefer it for READMEs
[03:13] <hussam> supernix: yeah it didn't work. the last time it worked was in February. but not since then. sorry
[03:14] <apokryphos> (though I'd probably use cat over both)
[03:14] <supernix> ty just wondering
[03:14] <supernix> :D
[03:14] <antrix> apokryphos: The ones one the left..
[03:14] <antrix> apokryphos: kate faster than kwrite?!
[03:14] <apokryphos> They're not tabs
[03:14] <apokryphos> kate is *much* faster, yes. =)
[03:15] <antrix> yes, not exactly tabs.. but you get the idea
[03:15] <antrix> infact, i think its called IDEAL mode or something
[03:15] <apokryphos> I do -- you can hide those easily, so not sure what your beef with them would be
[03:15] <apokryphos> works good when you have many documents open, but it needn't be there if you don't want it ot
[03:15] <apokryphos> *to
[03:16] <antrix> ok.. not to sound too gnomish.. but kate is more than I need :) Extra menus, extra toolbar buttons
[03:17] <apokryphos> Riddell: just checking kubuntu-defaults, want to re-add my praise for kget :P. Regardless of other things I said, ktorrent will likely be integrated into it soon, which will -- needless to say -- be popular
[03:17] <apokryphos> antrix: yes, very gnomish ;-). Try kedit
[03:17] <Riddell> kget is a usability nightmare
[03:17] <antrix> apokryphs: no! me loves kwrite :-D
[03:18] <apokryphos> Riddell: true, but its features can't be easily ignored. Easily beats konqueror's handling of downloads
[03:18] <Riddell> antrix: sudo sed -i s/Hidden=true// /usr/share/applications/kde/kwrite.desktop
[03:19] <antrix> apokryphos: thanks! was just creating a new kmenu entry
[03:19] <apokryphos> antrix: thank Riddell :)
[03:20] <antrix> oops.. yeah, thanks Riddell :)
[03:20] <insanekane> no no ... i need the deb sources
[03:21] <dell500> is it possible to get a 277V to work on a 120V socket??
[03:21] <insanekane> dell500: sure as hell not :)
[03:21] <antrix> apokryphos: black background meaning like a wallpaper or just black color?
[03:21] <insanekane> well, it depends
[03:22] <insanekane> if its a heater or something, then probably it would work, less effectively though
[03:22] <insanekane> i really doubt an electronic equipment would work tho
[03:22] <apokryphos> antrix: just black background for terminal
[03:22] <antrix> i use "White on Black" schema
[03:22] <apokryphos> antrix: is your desktop background black?
[03:22] <insanekane> hussam: deb source ?
[03:22] <dell500> insanekane, so there is no way of making it work??
[03:22] <dell500> what about a converter?
[03:23] <insanekane> dell500: adapters probably exist
[03:23] <dell500> i'll go by radioshack and ask them after work
[03:23] <apokryphos> Seems a little odd to me for kde/kubuntu to have a black background for it by default; not in harmony with the rest of the DE
[03:23] <insanekane> anyway 277V seems funny ...
[03:23] <antrix> don't travel adapters do just that.. voltage up/down
[03:23] <apokryphos> really sticks out
[03:23] <insanekane> yep travel adapters do that
[03:23] <hussam> insanekane: I don't think its deb source
[03:23] <dell500> 277V, 60Hz, 1.7AMPS
[03:23] <insanekane> hussam: it isnt
[03:24] <insanekane> dell500: seems non-standard ... but maybe radioshack will have something
[03:24] <dell500> antrix, that's what i thought, i'll try radioshack though
[03:24] <dell500> thanks
[03:24] <dell500> peace
[03:24] <antrix> apokryphos: speaking of terminal defaults.. i don't understand why kubuntu changed Konsole's default tab location to top instead of bottom
[03:24] <nikkia> insanekane: 277V is an 'industrial' voltage
[03:24] <insanekane> nikkia: oh right :)
[03:24] <nikkia> 60Hz at 277V seems unusual tho
[03:25] <nikkia> unless its a US industrial rating, i dunno
[03:25] <apokryphos> antrix: maybe to be more like Konqueror? Though not like Konversation
[03:25] <apokryphos> where to have it in theory is actually a tough call, I think. Normal text-typing begins at the top of the konsole, but the more you do the lower you'll be...
[03:25] <nikkia> dell500: what kind of plug does it have?
[03:25] <antrix> apokryphos: chat clients, irc clients, terminals.. the last text generated is at the bottom.. that's where tabs should be
[03:26] <Riddell> antrix: my thinking is that it's more like konqueror
[03:26] <apokryphos> antrix: sure, but text in a terminal starts at the top.
[03:27] <antrix> apokryphos: Use case: I am working on three sessions.. one in each tab of a konsole window.
[03:27] <apokryphos> I think you could argue either way though; I'd probably prefer it at the bottom, though I removed it altogether
[03:27] <apokryphos> The black background is more puzzling ;-)
[03:27] <apokryphos> tradition, I guess.
[03:27] <antrix> Done some work... all tabs have text. now switching between tabs.. i look up at the tab, change .. look down to the last text.. no wrong tab.. look up again..
[03:28] <nikkia> apokryphos: black on white for a shell == evil
[03:28] <apokryphos> nikkia: useless tradition :P
[03:28] <nikkia> apokryphos: not so
[03:28] <insanekane> nikkia: you are *so* opinionated .. :P
[03:28] <antrix> nikkia: more than evil, it hurts my eyes :(
[03:28] <apokryphos> antrix: yeah, good point.
[03:28] <nikkia> apokryphos: lots of things assume white on black when dealing with colours, the default 'dircolors' for example :P
[03:29] <apokryphos> nikkia: it's seriously in disharmony with the rest of kde -- I would guess konsole to not be a kde app altogether on first appearance
[03:29] <nikkia> apokryphos: a *console* app is seriously in disharmony with the rest of KDE anyway
[03:29] <antrix> no! that's heresy! :p
[03:29] <apokryphos> nikkia: that could just as easily be an argument for konsole using different dircolors
[03:30] <apokryphos> nikkia: I don't think it is; KDE's main aim isn't user-friendliness or the abomination of the console
[03:30] <nikkia> apokryphos: the linux console is white on black, ergo, it makes sense that konsole should be white on black too, anything else is just going to get changed within 2-3 seconds here :P
[03:30] <antrix> apokryphos: I don't think aaron seigo will like that comment on user friendliness ;)
[03:31] <antrix> nikkia: agree
[03:31] <nikkia> apokryphos: if it was called kterm, i might agree that black on white is an ok default, but its not :P
[03:31] <apokryphos> nikkia: That's no different to an argument for useless tradition :P
[03:31] <apokryphos> antrix: I think he would =)
[03:31] <apokryphos> antrix: usability and user-friendliness are good, to an extent. Needless to say, it's not KDE's main aim, else many things would be different.
[03:32] <apokryphos> It is, of course, *one* of its aims
[03:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: btw, as for useless traditions, i'd personally rather see amber on black :P
[03:32] <apokryphos> :P
[03:32] <nikkia> whenever i had to work with vt320s i'd fight for the last remaining amber-screen :)
[03:32] <antrix> I like peach on black... pleasing to the eye
[03:32] <nikkia> i always found amber hurt my eyes less than the white or green screen '320s
[03:33] <nikkia> altho if it was a '240, it didn't really matter what colour it was, it was going to hurt my eyes anyway :)
[03:34] <antrix> nikkia: umm.. what 320 240 are u talking about?
[03:37] <nikkia> antrix, DEC VT320/VT240
[03:37] <nikkia> text terminals
[03:37] <antrix> oh okay
[03:37] <nikkia> well, not quite true, the '240 had 'SIXEL' graphics
[03:37] <nikkia> which was basically 320x240 or so raster graphics transmitted using ASCII
[03:38] <antrix> ascii art :)
[03:38] <neoxxx> hi
[03:38] <nikkia> unfortunately, that graphics requirement meant that the '240 had the worst display of any of the VTs, and would hurt your eyes badly, especially if it was more than a few years old and the screen would 'whine' at you at about 26KHz
[03:39] <neoxxx> does anybody know why do i get this error when i want to apt-get update W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: Unknown error executing gpgv? pls help
[03:39] <antrix> ha ha. would the whining increase when doing a big compile? ;)
[03:40] <nikkia> antrix, no, why would it?
[03:40] <nikkia> antrix, VTs are 'dumb' terminals, the machine doing the compiling was at the other end of the building :P
[03:40] <antrix> lol
[03:40] <nikkia> or, more usually, in my case, 'machines'
[03:40] <nikkia> as my '240 and '320 were connected to a cluter of about 50 VMS machines
[03:41] <nikkia> cluster
[03:41] <antrix> when was this?
[03:41] <nikkia> antrix: '92
[03:41] <Riggzy> Hmm, an app is trying to open an MP3, and this pops up in a terminal
[03:41] <Riggzy> ** Message: don't know how to handle audio/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)4, rate=(int)44100, channels=(int)2
[03:42] <antrix> nikkia, i think that was about the time our school replaced green terminals with svga - greyscale monitors
[03:42] <nikkia> antrix: perhaps, but you can't really compare a cluster of 50 machines with a couple of early 90s PCs :P
[03:42] <Riggzy> Acorn*
[03:43] <antrix> nikkia, enough for learning LOGO and Basic :p
[03:43] <antrix> riggzy, which app?
[03:43] <Riggzy> PyMusique
[03:43] <Riggzy> it isn't urgent, its just that I have no credit so I thoghut I'd waste time by listening to the preview ;-)
[03:44] <antrix> doesn't pymusique use gstreamer foo ?
[03:44] <Riggzy> Te be honest i have no idea
[03:44] <antrix> try installing gstreaming-mad
[03:44] <antrix> *gstreamer-mad
[03:44] <Riggzy> ok
[03:44] <nikkia> antrix, my cluster was where we developed the software that controls about 60-70% of the nuclear reactors on the planet, around 90% of the pharma. plants, and around 90% of the chemical plants :P
[03:45] <antrix> nikkia, some OS or what?
[03:46] <nikkia> antrix: no, process control software
[03:47] <antrix> nikkia, aah.. boring :p
[03:48] <nikkia> antrix, *shrug* one morning of that job was the most high-pressure and most intense i've ever experienced while programming...
[03:48] <nikkia> antrix, i had a 20 minute window to test my code on a real live power station
[03:48] <apokryphos> dstats
[03:48] <apokryphos> !dstats
[03:48] <ubotu> Ubuntu Distro Stats on hoary... 16270 packages, 1437 maintainers, 31005 MB installed size, 9820 MB compressed size.
[03:49] <apokryphos> a lot more maintainers than I thought
[03:49] <antrix> wow.. is that like all the debian maintainers?
[03:49] <apokryphos> all the Ubuntu maintainers; just over 100 shy of Debian's :|
[03:50] <antrix> nikkia, cool! it worked i suppose.
[03:50] <antrix> nikkia, u lived to tell the tale :)
[03:53] <nikkia> antrix: worked perfectly, only took me about 10 minutes to run thru my test suite
[03:53] <nikkia> antrix, which was quite impressive really, for a mix of Fortran and MACRO32 code :)
[03:54] <nikkia> antrix: i'd have lived to tell the tale anyway, the power plant in question was a couple of hundred miles away :)
[03:54] <antrix> nikkia, i haven't even heard of macro32..
[03:55] <nikkia> antrix: basically, DEC assembler, although it isn't quite a traditional asm, as some instructions are virtual and get translated to a handful of instructions depending on the target CPU
[03:56] <antrix> ok
[03:59] <antrix> ok.. logging off. good nite all
[04:20] <Riggzy> Installing gstreamer mad didn't work... PyMusique still won't play samples (it downloads them though)
[04:27] <_martin> hello
[04:27] <_martin> #kubuntu_nl
[05:13] <nikkia> lets just say, it didn't look like an 'x' and a 'n' in the funny cyan irssi uses :P
[05:28] <aseigo> nikkia: heh.. what did i look like exactly? =P
[05:28] <nikkia> aseigo: 'aseigo_whore'
[05:28] <aseigo> ah., and yet that might've been just as accurate.
[05:28] <aseigo> =P
[05:28] <nikkia> i couldn't decide which side of the equation it was on tho :P
[05:29] <nikkia> i did ponder if thats how KDE gets their funding.... :P
[05:56] <dooglio> i was using my wife's mac last night
[05:56] <dooglio> i was glad to get back to my kunbuntu box
[05:57] <Paradoxx> hehe
[05:57] <dooglio> the only problem was I kept hitting ALT instead of CTRL
[05:58] <dooglio> with apple, everything is an APPLE key
[05:59] <Paradoxx> yep
[06:04] <troy> hey folks, seems like a silly question, but how do I make a copy of my hard disk from one disk to another without messing up symlinks, recursion, etc?
[06:05] <troy> should I just use tar, then untar?
[06:05] <sproingie> tar -p
[06:07] <troy> will that catch the .hidden stuff too?
[06:12] <nikkia> troy, back in the old days, i always used to use tar cpf - / | (cd /mnt ; tar xpf -)
[06:12] <troy> I'll try that... thanks
[06:15] <nikkia> troy, as for catching the .hidden stuff, generally thats not going to be a problem, .files aren't 'special' in any real sense as far as most of unix is concerned, the only places they're special, is with ls, and * expansion
[06:17] <troy> well, I was doing something wrong, I did cd /; tar cvf something.tar *
[06:17] <troy> thus it was missing .dev, but catching all other .hidden stuff
[06:17] <troy> should not haev used the wildcard there
[06:18] <znh> Hi there, does anyone know what package contain the kde-headers
[06:18] <insanekane> hey nikkia did you fix that java bug ? i would like to know the fix ...
[06:19] <nikkia> insanekane: erm, it just 'started working' after a few runs thru the debugger *shrug*
[06:20] <apokryphos> !info kde-devel
[06:20] <ubotu> kde-devel: (The K Desktop Environment (development files)), section universe/kde, is extra. Version: 5:42ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 40 kB
[06:20] <apokryphos> znh: that one
[06:20] <nikkia> troy, yeah, its best to specify the directory name, rather than a wildcard, when you want to do something like that
[06:20] <insanekane> nikkia: :P
[06:20] <troy> nikkia: live and learn ;)
[06:20] <znh> apokryphos: It's not in the reps
[06:20] <nikkia> troy, for example, to back up your home dir, its better to do 'tar zcvf /tmp/backup.tar.gz $HOME' rather than using wildcards
[06:21] <apokryphos> znh: as the search shows, it is :). You likely don't have Universe/Multiverse enabled, see:
[06:21] <nikkia> troy '.' works as well
[06:21] <apokryphos> !repositories
[06:21] <ubotu> I heard repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:21] <znh> apokryphos: ah I see; will do
[06:22] <nikkia> troy, if for any reason you *need* to use a wildcard (eg, an app that doesn't support recursing properly) you CAN work out a wildcard pattern to match all of the files, but it is a bit scary :)
[06:23] <znh> argh it's around the 70 meg..
[06:23] <troy> wouldn't be too hard with normal regular expressions
[06:23] <apokryphos> znh: well, it is all the kde headers, yeah. :)
[06:23] <nikkia> troy, iirc it ends up being something like {.[^.] *,}* or something
[06:23] <znh> hope it's worth for kopete
[06:24] <znh> gaim is awesome but hell.. it's buggy :'(
[06:24] <troy> something seems amiss with 70MB of headers...
[06:24] <nikkia> yeah, that does the trick it seems
[06:24] <jjesse> question, i am using smb4k and getting a notification about smbmnt must be installed suid root for direct user
[06:25] <znh> troy: to be honest, i'm on Hoary, #ubuntu said they would know were I could get the kde headefrs
[06:25] <apokryphos> znh: not just for kopete; if you want to compile any other kde stuff (any other progs), you'll likely need them
[06:25] <jjesse> any help on that?
[06:25] <troy> znh: you shouldn't need to compile it though, since there's already packages for it
[06:26] <nikkia> apokryphos: btw, weirdness of weirdness...
[06:26] <apokryphos> ah, official backports have been launched
[06:26] <apokryphos> !backports
[06:26] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[06:26] <nikkia> apokryphos: you remember me complaining about my linksys crashing much...
[06:26] <apokryphos> nikkia: vaguely, yup.
[06:26] <znh> troy: I need to compile kopete due the current binary version does not contain the msn fix
[06:26] <nikkia> apokryphos: i went to the UK site, and they have a later firmware version, with an older date, than the firmware i was using from the US site
[06:26] <troy> oh right, bloody MSN :P
[06:26] <nikkia> ie, 5.10.13 from may, vs 5.10.02 from june *shrug*
[06:26] <znh> yea
[06:27] <znh> and that stupid gaim gives reading errors
[06:27] <znh> and why? it doesn't tell me..
[06:27] <apokryphos> nikkia: firmware is great =). I really hope iRiver does some decent updates
[06:27] <nikkia> apokryphos: too early to say yet if it fixes anything, and the changelog was 404'ed :)
[06:27] <troy> znh: did you try to kubuntu packages using the sources from http://kubuntu.org/ -- kde 3.4.1 is there (instead of 3.4.0 in hoary)
[06:27] <apokryphos> nikkia: heh
[06:28] <apokryphos> troy: probably best to wait for tomorrow, if downloading is an issue. KDE 3.4.2 is gonna be out
[06:28] <troy> ah, cool
[06:28] <apokryphos> nikkia: sources are released today, too, actually ;-)
[06:29] <znh> why would you compile it if there's a binary?
[06:29] <nikkia> apokryphos: i know... i know
[06:29] <nikkia> znh, i'm not using a distro
[06:29] <znh> ah woot
[06:29] <nikkia> apokryphos: i didn't wipe the build dirs, so i might be able to get away with using the deltas, if they're uploaded
[06:29] <apokryphos> was gonna compile kontact but hopefully it'll all be fine in tomorrow's 3.4.2
[06:30] <troy> wow, there's a 512MB file in /proc/kcore ... when'd that get there...
[06:31] <nikkia> apokryphos: hmm, i don't see 3.4.2 on there
[06:31] <apokryphos> nikkia: I don't think it's been anounced yet -- sometime today though.
[06:31] <nikkia> oh
[06:31] <nikkia> silly non-europeans :P
[06:31] <znh> :-D
[06:31] <apokryphos> nikkia: KDE is European-based, though. You seen the map of developers/contributors/
[06:31] <nikkia> *today* is nearly over, as far as i'm concerned :)
[06:31] <znh> to be honest, i'm half european, and half canadean
[06:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: i know, but obviously they're working to non-european timing :P
[06:32] <znh> dinner
[06:32] <apokryphos> it's planned for today... it should go through. We'll see, I guess.
[06:32] <troy> znh: so what timezone is that? the Azores? :P
[06:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: unless they're pulling the kind of word games i use on project deadlines
[06:32] <apokryphos> Devs got packages 2 weeks ago though, didn't they? I dunno...
[06:32] <nikkia> 'look, i released it at 23:59!!'
[06:32] <apokryphos> hehe
[06:33] <nikkia> 'GMT+11:30 time...' :)
[06:33] <apokryphos> More Germans in it than anything else, I believe.
[06:33] <troy> worldwide.kde.org iirc
[06:34] <apokryphos> yup
[06:34] <apokryphos> ubotu: kdecontributors is at http://worldwide.kde.org/
[06:34] <ubotu> okay, apokryphos
[06:34] <apokryphos> they've recently combined it in with Google maps, which is super cool
[06:34] <troy> ubotu: blootbot?
[06:34] <ubotu> from memory, blootbot is see ubotu.
[06:35] <apokryphos> troy: yup
[06:35] <nikkia> apokryphos: so now you can stalk the developer of your favourite/least-favourite package with ease ?
[06:35] <troy> just seeing what was powering it
[06:35] <apokryphos> nikkia: precisely! You can get instructions on how to drive there etc
[06:36] <troy> I used to be on that map, during the kde 2 era... having committed anything since 2.x though so I'm not on the most recent version(s)
[06:36] <apokryphos> troy: cool, what did you work on?
[06:36] <troy> just bits and pieces... for example, I put the tabs on the bottom of ksirc instead of the top... single line of code, but stuck
[06:37] <apokryphos> ah, nice.
[06:37] <troy> a lot of the things I did have been superceded by now
[06:38] <troy> I had managed to make konq transparent, but it introduced a memory leak that I could never track down, so never committed it
[06:39] <troy> few other things
[06:39] <troy> for the last few years though I've been busy
[06:39] <troy> so no kde work
[06:49] <troy> probably got tanked for having an old email addy on file + bouncing
[06:55] <hon> I'm trying yo get inkscape 0.42 and it complains about gdkmm-2.4 ; and I couldn't find it in google
[06:55] <hon> does anybody know what is it?
[06:55] <hon> or is it part of gtkmm-2.4?
[07:03] <nikkia> hon, yes
[07:04] <nikkia> gtkmm are the C++ bindings for gtk, and gdkmm are the C++ bindings for gdk, they go hand in hand
[07:04] <douglas> I can't seem to get java and flash working in conqueror, any advice?
[07:07] <hon> nikkia: so I can't figure out what package I lack
[07:07] <hon> I have gtkmm installed already
[07:08] <hon> but when I try to configure inkscape-0.42 it nags about gdkmm-2.4
[07:09] <hon> I have /usr/lib/libgdkmm-2.4.so.1 actually
[07:10] <fromoze> Hi, is evms used by defaults on kubuntu?
[07:11] <fromoze> I haven't configure lvm or raid, can I quit evms from the init sequence?
[07:11] <fromoze> s/quit/remove
[07:12] <troy> in grub, what does the first SATA drive get reported as?
[07:19] <nikkia> hon, is there a gtkmm-dev package?
[07:20] <hon> yes but not installed,
[07:20] <nikkia> hon, *cough*, try installing it :)
[07:23] <hon> thanks nikkia :)
[07:32] <Almindor> is anything special required to get dmixing right with kubuntu?
[07:47] <McScruff> lo, does anyone know of an app to get widgets on linux?
[07:52] <aseigo> McScruff: widgets?
[07:52] <McScruff> like the osx thing
[07:52] <aseigo> oh ... superkaramba
[07:52] <McScruff> but they sit on the desktop
[07:52] <McScruff> i wanna press a button so they come ontop then press again to hide them
[07:53] <aseigo> http://netdragon.sf.net
[07:53] <aseigo> yeah, superkaramba doesn't have that currently
[07:53] <aseigo> plasma will, however, but that's coming with kde4
[08:08] <jpowers> McScruff: you could map a button to "show/hide desktop"
[08:13] <Jwir3> hello. I want to update my nvidia drivers in kubuntu, but it is asking me for the kernel sources (I am using the 2.6.10 kernel). I need to install it, but the sources I have listed in apt (I have the universe sources enabled) only show up to 2.4.27. How can I install (as a package, preferably) the 2.6.10 kernel source?
[08:16] <sproingie> Jwir3: get linux-source, not kernel-source
[08:17] <Jwir3> ah, ok, whoops
[08:17] <Jwir3> thanks
[08:17] <sproingie> that one always gets me too
[08:17] <frank> Jwir3: wait a sec
[08:17] <Jwir3> frank: k
[08:18] <sproingie> probably just need the headers actually. not sure what those are
[08:18] <sproingie> linux-headers probably
[08:18] <frank> Jwir3: you need to completely uninstall the ubuntu nvidia drivers before (completely uninstall in synaptic) to get rid of /etc/init.d/nvidia-glx
[08:19] <frank> Jwir3: if you don't do that, that script will break the official nvidia drivers when you reboot
[08:19] <Jwir3> frank: I don't seem to have that in my /etc/init.d/ directory
[08:19] <frank> Jwir3: did you ever install the nvidia drivers with synaptic / apt-get?
[08:20] <Jwir3> frank: no, this is a fresh install of kubuntu, I was going to get the drivers straight from the source
[08:20] <frank> ok, then there should be no problem!
[08:20] <Jwir3> frank: yeah, the nvidia drivers are clumsy to install
[08:20] <Jwir3> frank: they need me to kill X (which was expected), but then request the kernel source
[08:21] <Jwir3> so I'll download them, and see how it works after that
[08:21] <frank> Jwir3: because of the modules you need to compile
[08:21] <Jwir3> ah ok
[08:21] <sproingie> the ati drivers are fairly painless to install ... of course using 'em can be a different matter
[08:21] <frank> Jwir3: you need a compiler as well
[08:21] <ray_> ati drivers work great for me
[08:21] <ray_> in gnome not in kde for some reason
[08:22] <Jwir3> I had one other question - how do I get things to start with kde? I want a daemon called hotkeys to start, but it freezes X when I login if I put it in my .Xsession file
[08:22] <sproingie> they work fine for me too, but for a limited scope
[08:22] <sproingie> i can forget about ever getting compose working in X for example
[08:22] <frank> Jwir3: I'm not sure
[08:22] <ray_> sproingie, what do you mean by limited scope?
[08:22] <Jwir3> frank: ah ok. Thought I'd ask just to see if anyone knew
[08:22] <sproingie> or upgrading kernels .. tho i lay most of the blame for that on linux itself
[08:23] <Jwir3> frank: thanks for the tips about the kernel, though. I appreciate it greatly!
[08:23] <sproingie> they gratuitously rearranged the API in a kernel PATCH version yet again
[08:23] <sproingie> good old linux release engineering
[08:24] <sproingie> i guess there are no patchlevels for linux. or even anything like a minor point-release
[08:24] <sproingie> everything's a potential break-everything release
[08:27] <ray_> mplayer is choppy.....anybody know why?
[08:28] <insanekane> Jwir3: you need to use the auto start folder
[08:29] <insanekane> Jwir3: i dont remember the details .. i believe its available in the KDE docs
[08:30] <Jwir3> insanekane: thanks
[08:35] <equex> how does the KMenu actually work ? does it have an internal list over installed apps, and then uses applications-kmenuedit.menu as a "filter" to produce the final menu structure ?
[08:36] <equex> i was wondering, because a fresh Kubuntu install has no applications-kmenuedit.menu, but it appears it is not safe to delete it when it has been first created
[08:37] <equex> i need to know, because i need to find a safe way to edit the menu (Keditmenu fails too much)
[08:39] <ray_> is there a way to configure mozilla-mplayer?
[08:41] <teprrr> hmm, what package I need to install to get gstreamer's .pc file?
[08:44] <frank> equex: you mean it doesn't work when you right click -> edit menu
[08:46] <equex> frank, yes but after i have installed a certain number of apps, weird things start to happen when i edit the meny
[08:46] <equex> entire submenus disappear etc
[08:46] <equex> missing items
[08:46] <frank> equex: ok I never had a problem
[08:47] <frank> equex: you can update to kde 3.4.1, I don't know if it fixes that problem
[08:47] <ray_> i fixed the choppyness in mplayer by switching the sound source to oss....how can i do this in the mplayer plugin?
[08:47] <equex> alright frank
[08:48] <frank> ray_: that's the firefox plugin? its pretty unstable.
[08:48] <ray_> frank, yeah......are there any alternatives?
[08:49] <frank> ray_: try the MediaPlayerConnectivity extension. Thats what I use now and I like it. It opens up embedded video in external players all the time though, but firefox never crashes at least
[08:51] <ray_> frank, yeah i usually just open external players.....but some sites you cant.....is this something i can apt?
[08:52] <frank> ray_: its just a firefox extension. In tools->extensions->get extensions
[08:54] <ray_> frank, thanks man...
[08:56] <frank> np
[08:57] <ray_> frank, WORKS GREAT!!!!!!!!
[08:58] <frank> glad you like it!
[09:04] <ray_> anybody know where i can get the DirectShow codec wmvdmod.dll?
[09:05] <frank> in w32codecs
[09:06] <ray_> frank, i have them and the video plays fine......but it still gives me the error
[09:07] <frank> which player?
[09:08] <ray_> oops.... i guess i didnt install the codecs........der
[09:09] <ray_> weird that the vids still played even though it was wmv format
[09:09] <frank> ray_: ffmpeg maybe can do it too
[09:09] <frank> w32codecs is in backports
[09:09] <ray_> frank, ahhh
[09:09] <ray_> frank, yeah im getting it now
[09:10] <frank> the only problem I found is that sound stutters in wmv9 streaming video even with w32codecs
[09:10] <jeffbrown> anyone have any particular brand recommendation for a usb flash drive likely to work with kubunto on my compaq laptop?
[09:11] <frank> jeffbrown: I really don't have experience with flash drives, but they should all work exactly the same as usb mass storage devices
[09:12] <jeffbrown> latest version of kubuntu has support for usb mass storage devices?
[09:12] <Sputn1k> how to fix it: XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool?
[09:12] <frank> Sputn1k: I saw that today! what are you compiling?
[09:12] <Sputn1k> gimp
[09:13] <frank> you need libxml-parser-perl
[09:14] <Sputn1k> are u sure?
[09:14] <frank> pretty sure, anyways installing it can't hurt
[09:15] <kosmo> Hello everybody! My kate is not working anymore. Does anybody have similar experiences? Thx
[09:16] <frank> maybe it crashed
[09:16] <kosmo> Thats what it says when I am trying to start it...
[09:17] <frank> try to kill it in KSysGuard
[09:17] <kosmo> kate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate, it probably crashed.
[09:17] <frank> did you try to sudo kate? that doesn;t work
[09:17] <qbit> jeffbrown: in my particular situation the stock kubuntu kernel didn't allow my digital camera to work as a mass storage usb, but when I upgraded the kernel to 2.6.10-5-k7 it magically began working
[09:17] <frank> you need to kdesu kate
[09:19] <kosmo> frank: Thx now I can start it again. Hopefully this was just a coincidence, it happened the second time...
[09:20] <frank> ok
[09:21] <kosmo> Damn, when I type 'sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list' comes the following error message:
[09:21] <frank> kosmo: read my last few messages...
[09:21] <kosmo> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-kosmo" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[09:21] <kosmo> Link points to "/var/tmp/kdecache-root"
[09:22] <kosmo> frank: Ah, no I understand! Just once kdesu kate ? or each time?
[09:22] <kosmo> no=now
[09:22] <frank> for a kde app, use kdesu instead of sudo everytime
[09:23] <buz> for any graphical app, use kdesu ;)
[09:23] <kosmo> frank: Ok, Thank you, I will. But why, just curious?
[09:23] <buz> cause kdesu will fix up certain things related to X before invoking the app
[09:24] <frank> I don't really know.
[09:24] <buz> if you do it with su, the app wont be able to connect to the X server
[09:24] <kosmo> Ok, Thank you folks!
[09:58] <[GABRI] > any people have cpufreq?
[10:03] <ztonzy> hmm, is there any ad-block for konqueror ?
[10:04] <ztonzy> as for say flash ads
[10:06] <manuel_> hi! is there a way to make smb4k mount shares as cifs and not as smbfs???
[10:13] <Jeezis> hrm, anyone in here that knows how to compile a .c file into a .so file?
[10:14] <manuel_> hi! is there a way to make smb4k mount shares as cifs and not as smbfs???
[10:17] <_ben> Anybody have experience with wireless on kubuntu? (ipw2200onThinkPad T43)
[10:17] <_ben> I've got it working sometimes, but it seems if I have ethernet plugged in, only my eth0 (wired) works
[10:18] <_ben> But if I boot up without a wired connection, the wireless works, but I can't enable the wired adapter
[10:25] <ztonzy> hmmm
[10:26] <Jeezis> hrm, anyone in here that knows how to compile a .c file into a .so file?
[10:33] <Blissex> Jeezis: probably.
[10:37] <kosmo> Does anybody use SMB4K?
[10:40] <kosmo> Th point is: I can only mount when I start the program with kdesu/sudo??
[10:41] <Jwir3> Jeezis: You need to compile it with the -shared option:
[10:42] <Jwir3> Jeezis: gcc -o somelib.so -shared -Wall -static -I<include path> ... <source files>
[10:43] <Jwir3> you probably don't need the -static, but that's how I compile
[10:43] <Jwir3> Jeezis: I would check the manpage of gcc to see what options you really need. Most of them can be put in a makefile
[10:55] <Jeezis> hmmm, where in gods name would i find the "gaim.pc" file?
[10:55] <Jeezis> in other words, where is gaim installed to if i install it via synaptic
[10:56] <Blissex> Jeezis: 'dpkg -S gaim.pc' or if you have installed it, 'dlocate gaim.pc'
[10:56] <Jeezis> oh ok thanks :)
[10:57] <Jeezis> the "find lost folders/files" thing in kubuntu is worthless
[11:00] <ralph1> hi all
[11:03] <jjesse> hiya ralph1
[11:04] <ralph1> jjesse: hi
[11:12] <nikkia> tch!
[11:39] <_sam> kubuntu is great
[11:45] <mitsuhiko> moin guys
[11:50] <brosio> is better xfs or ext3 ?
[11:50] <mitsuhiko> http://www.ubuntu-de.org/download.php?id=11 <== can someone reproduce?
[11:50] <chx> hi. I get Jul 27 23:49:08 IP-62-93 dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to 213.46.246.102 port 67 messages in syslog, but can't find bootp in guarddog. Do i need a user defined protocol for this?
[11:51] <Curalton> mitsuhiko: charset missing or some strange win-foo-1234 charset
[11:52] <mitsuhiko> Curalton: utf-8
[11:52] <mitsuhiko> Curalton: http://www.ubuntu-de.org/wiki/sonstige_software:office:kontact:konten_einrichten
[11:52] <mitsuhiko> fucking problem
[11:52] <mitsuhiko> nobody else has it?
[11:52] <Curalton> ah, there should be an arrow ->
[11:52] <Curalton> seems some font face is missing
[11:53] <Curalton> mitsuhiko: oh, it works in opera but not in konqueror, indeed
[11:53] <mitsuhiko> Curalton: does it work on your kde setup?
[11:53] <mitsuhiko> Curalton: hm. seems to be a kde bug
[11:53] <mitsuhiko> unicode not working
[11:54] <Curalton> no
[11:54] <Curalton> its not even unicode, its just →
[11:54] <mitsuhiko> Curalton: jep. but no unicode is working
[11:56] <Curalton> mitsuhiko: yes it is. the a umlaut works. in the html source its utf8
[11:56] <mitsuhiko> Curalton: i konow
[11:56] <mitsuhiko> arr
[11:56] <mitsuhiko> know
[11:56] <mitsuhiko> umlauts are working
[11:56] <mitsuhiko> same for some other special chars like ~
[11:57] <mitsuhiko> strange: http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/
[11:57] <Curalton> so its just a missing html escape, tell them in #konqueror :)
[11:58] <mitsuhiko> Curalton: mom
[11:59] <sorush20> hi guys... how are.. all..
[12:00] <othernoob> missing words?
[12:01] <mitsuhiko> Curalton: http://www.active-4.com/
[12:01] <mitsuhiko> on the left side should appear unicode symbols
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2005-08-01-#kubuntu-devel
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[12:08] <Mez> allee, again, thanks :D
[12:09] <allee> why thx twice? :)
[12:10] <Mez> oh,
[12:10] <Mez> lol
[12:10] <Mez> I came back and like, saw a highlight and thought it was recent
[04:27] <Riddell> deb http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/hoary-kde342 hoary-updates main
[04:27] <Riddell> testers please
[04:28] <Riddell> \sh_away: first task as main dude is working out why the heck kdepim won't compile http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/tmp/kdepim-3.4.2.tar.bz2
[04:29] <Riddell> (don't use the debian directory in that tar file)
[09:52] <\sh> Riddell: u worked to much :)
[10:00] <JRe> cool 3.5 branch has been created
[10:00] <JRe> =)
[10:10] <JRe> mmm big thread about feature freeze on kde-devel :)
[10:34] <\sh> hey JRe
[10:34] <JRe> hi \sh
[10:34] <\sh> when can we see u as a motu? :)
[10:35] <insanekane> Riddell: why was the KDE front-end removed from Debconf ?
[10:35] <insanekane> hi \sh :)
[10:35] <\sh> huhu insanekane
[10:36] <insanekane> :)
[11:05] <JRe> Riddell: is there any official tarball for icecream ar may i create one by co the svn ?
[11:13] <Riddell> JRe: create one
[11:13] <JRe> Riddell: ok!
[11:21] <Tonio-> Riddell: you wanted testers -> I am with 3.4.2 for on hour testing and everything seems fine ;)
[11:21] <Tonio-> no bugs relevated at the moment...
[11:23] <Tonio-> Just migrated my second PC, this one, and that's seems okay too.
[11:24] <Riddell> Tonio-: woo! thanks :)
[11:26] <Tonio-> a little bug with the klauncher applet seems to be resolved, nice ;)
[11:28] <JRe> Tonio-: there is 3.4.2 packages or you have compiled the branche ?
[11:28] <Tonio-> Riddell: As you've asked me to tell you, after many tries (need to learn...), it seems okay now, and I submited many packages on REVU
[11:28] <Tonio-> JRe: Riddell has given the repo params
[11:28] <Tonio-> give me one sec
[11:28] <JRe> Tonio-: thanks =)
[11:29] <Tonio-> deb http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/hoary-kde342/ hoary-updates main
[11:29] <JRe> Riddell: you have another tester =)
[11:29] <Tonio-> amazing, cause 3.4.2 doesn't even seem to be officially released....
[11:29] <JRe> Riddell: thanks for the packages
[11:30] <Riddell> Tonio-: released later today, that's why I need testers
[11:31] <Tonio-> Riddell: okay, I'll let you know if I have any problem...
[11:31] <Tonio-> nice new system icon ;) hehe
[11:34] <JRe> Tonio-: you have updated from 3.4.1 or from 3.4.0 ?
[11:35] <Tonio-> 3.4.1
[11:54] <allee> Riddell: 3.4.1 -> 3.4.2 went well. No problem playing with it yet
[11:54] <Riddell> awooga
[12:03] <\sh> kdebase is missing
[12:03] <Riddell> \sh: it's there for hoary, it's not going to compile for breezy withou xmkmf
[12:03] <\sh> Riddell: I know...I need it as well
[12:04] <Riddell> news just in: no other distribution has made packages so they're delaying the release until tomorrow
[12:09] <JRe> Riddell: how can i sign a package builded with pbuilder?
[12:09] <JRe> Riddell: in order to have it uploaded into REVU
[12:10] <allee> JRe: debsign
[12:10] <JRe> allee: thanks =)
[12:12] <\sh> debuild -S -sa
[12:12] <\sh> is ok
[12:13] <\sh> Riddell: gentoo folks asked me, if we already have 3.4.2 ,-)
[12:16] <JRe> \sh: say no otherwise they'll be to disapointed =)
[12:18] <JRe> \sh: are you still developpingyour bittorrent front end ?
[12:18] <JRe> Riddell: ow BTW have you seen that mornfall have improved kapture (ept now)
[12:19] <insanekane> isnt there one already ? a nice QTorrent ? also, there is a KDE Torrent client iirc
[12:20] <JRe> is there anyone named anthony mercatante here ???
[12:24] <JRe> these guy have uploaded an impressive number of KDE packages on REVU, even that already exists
[12:24] <Mez> Riddell - where's the 3.4.2 files for haory#/
[12:25] <JRe> Mez: [11:29] <Tonio-> deb http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/hoary-kde342/ hoary-updates main
[12:25] <Mez> ty
[12:26] <JRe> Okay anthony mercatante is tonio
[12:34] <JRe> Riddell: you now why Tonio has replaced my packaging stuff which has already been packaged ?
[12:34] <JRe> mmm wrong phrase =)
[12:35] <JRe> why he's packaging stuff which i have already packaged =)
[12:39] <Mez> whats witht eh KDE packages in REVU
[12:40] <JRe> Mez: ???
[12:40] <Mez> katalog, kbootsplash etc etc
[12:41] <JRe> Mez: Tonio seems to have uploaded a bunch of packages
[12:41] <JRe> Mez: the same day
[12:42] <JRe> Mez: he have even uploaded package that already where on REVU =) =)
[12:42] <JRe> s/where/were/
[12:42] <Mez> link to duplicates?
[12:44] <JRe> ktvschedule
[12:44] <JRe> krecipes
[12:47] <JRe> (i have reuploaded krecipes without seeing it was already here because it was a new upstream)
[12:47] <Mez> lol
[12:47] <Mez> well...
[12:48] <Mez> his packaging need a bit of fine tuning
[12:48] <Mez> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=191&text=in+changelog%2C+distribution+should+be+breezy%2C+not+unstable.%0D%0A%0D%0AIn+diff+there+are+.guess+and+.sub%2C+these+shouldn%27t+be+there+%28make+clean+before+you+package%29
[12:48] <JRe> Mez: yeah he seems to have made a chain packaging =)
[12:48] <JRe> Mez: tough i am impressed by so many package in that short time
[12:49] <Mez> lol
[12:49] <JRe> Mez: the first one was on July 27, 04:50 last one July 27, 10:00
[12:50] <Mez> lol
[12:54] <Mez> well, I'm posting the same on all his packages at the mo
[12:54] <JRe> Mez: i have reposted ktvschedule
[12:55] <JRe> Mez: so don't comment this one =)
[12:56] <Mez> JRe, already commented it :P
[12:58] <Mez> on both of your uploads
[01:00] <Mez> you need source upload :D
[01:00] <JRe> Mez: sure =)
[01:00] <JRe> Mez: you know how to deal with the gpg-agent issue ?
[01:00] <Mez> what issue?
[01:01] <JRe> Mez: Enter passphrase: gpg: problem with the agent - disabling agent use
[01:04] <Mez> never heard of it
[01:05] <Mez> never had it *
[01:05] <JRe> Mez: =)
[01:09] <JRe> Mez: you think that i can use pdebuild --debbuildopts -S -sa will be fine ?
[01:09] <Mez> JRe, once you know it builds, jiust debuild -S -sa
[01:10] <Mez> IT's a source build, it doenst try and compile anything
[01:10] <JRe> Mez: okay
[01:10] <Mez> it basically does what pdebuild does before it gets to the pbuilder
[01:12] <JRe> Mez: damn gpg error debsign: gpg error occurred! Aborting....
[01:13] <Mez> lol
[01:13] <Mez> check if the Changleog is the same as your GPG key
[01:13] <JRe> Mez: yes it is =)
[01:14] <Mez> hmm
[01:14] <Mez> lol
[01:14] <Mez> just sign it manually
[01:14] <Mez> debisgn *_source.changes
[01:15] <Mez> debsign *_source.changes
[01:15] <Mez> JRe, try reinstalling gpg
[01:15] <Mez> or download my version of it
[01:15] <Mez> assuming you're using hoary
[01:15] <JRe> Mez: yes it mon hoary
[01:16] <Mez> http://www.sourceguru.net/ubuntu/hoary/
[01:16] <Mez> download the gpg backport and try that
[01:16] <JRe> Mez: ok! thanks!
[01:16] <JRe> Mez: (ATM i sign it manually)
[01:18] <Mez> lol
[01:18] <JRe> Mez: thanks for the tips =)
[01:18] <Mez> ;)
[01:18] <JRe> Mez: and for the backport =)
[01:18] <Mez> hehe
[01:18] <Mez> I did it ages ago
[01:27] <allee> JRe: plain hoary debsign works here. check gpg-agent is running and check the file:pid: as given is GPG_AGENT_INFO
[01:27] <allee> JRe: Does 'normal' signing with debuild work?
[01:27] <Mez> JRe, krecipes - you package this from scratch - or get from upstream/
[01:31] <JRe> Mez: from scratch
[01:31] <Mez> ok
[01:33] <JRe> allee: jre 6988 0.0 0.3 4280 756 ? Ss 09:44 0:00 gpg-agent --daemon
[01:33] <JRe> allee: /tmp/gpg-uEUWBz/S.gpg-agent:6988:1
[01:35] <KabelKasper> Riddell: Just upgraded to KDE 3.4.2, only problem i got was arts wich depends on an uninstallable libarts1c2
[01:35] <Riddell> KabelKasper: in hoary?
[01:36] <KabelKasper> Yes, I used http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/hoary-kde342/
[01:36] <Riddell> hmm, ok
[01:37] <Riddell> hmm, yes, how did that happen
[01:38] <JRe> KabelKasper: you upgrade from 3.4.0 or 3.4.1 ?
[01:38] <KabelKasper> from 3.4.1
[01:41] <Riddell> and how did nobody else notice that including me
[01:42] <JRe> mmm strange
[01:42] <Riddell> spooky
[01:58] <JRe> Mez: the second time i upload to REVU, no need to upload orig.gz anymore, right ?
[02:00] <Mez> er, always upload,
[02:00] <Mez> It's best
[02:00] <Mez> lo0l
[02:00] <JRe> Mez: =) =)
[02:00] <Mez> just dput revu *_source.changes
[02:00] <Mez> cause then when you upload the .orig
[02:01] <Mez> it makes life easier to review it
[02:16] <Riddell> should be arts fixes now if someone could check
[02:22] <KabelKasper> Riddell: Thanks, now it works ;)
[02:28] <Riddell> KabelKasper: phew
[02:29] <allee> Riddell: thumb up ;)
[02:29] <Riddell> now somebody tell me my kdepim doesn't link
[02:48] <allee> Riddell: I've played a bit with kontact, no problems
[02:49] <allee> Riddell: but logout login for a new arts check and now I have 2 gpg-agents running :(
[03:29] <je4d> Riddell: on the off chance you've heard of this issue before: I've got a fresh ubuntu + kubuntu-desktop install here, and anything that uses the http kioslave is freezing
[03:30] <Riddell> je4d: hoary?
[03:30] <je4d> Riddell: yea
[03:30] <Riddell> je4d: with any updates?
[03:30] <je4d> ftp.kde.org's 3.4.1 packages, but it was happening without them
[03:30] <je4d> aswell as the official hoary-updates repo
[03:31] <Riddell> how strange, never heard of that
[03:32] <je4d> also, I can't get kde apps to give debug output on the command line, all the stuff in kdebugdialog is ignored - but i guess this is the intent?
[03:33] <je4d> i'm currently grabbing a copy of kdelibs from 3_4_branch hoping it'll fix it
[03:35] <Riddell> je4d: you could try the 3.4.2 packages
[03:35] <Riddell> deb http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/hoary-kde342/ hoary-updates main
[03:37] <je4d> are there any known issues with those packages?
[03:37] <Riddell> nope
[03:37] <je4d> cool. just checking, since this is my @work box
[03:45] <je4d> Riddell: installed kdelibs from there, all is better (:
[03:46] <Riddell> je4d: phew
[03:46] <je4d> yea - i can put firefox away now and go back to konq.. it was driving me nuts
[03:47] <je4d> thanks for the repo.. when's that going to be moved to ftp.kde.org?
[03:49] <Riddell> je4d: it's already there (but you can't see it until 3.4.2 is released)
[03:50] <je4d> ok, i'll wait for the "latest" link to be updated befor grabbing the rest (people don't like me chewing up the office's bandwidth :P)
[03:50] <je4d> .. d.k.o says 3.4.2 is today - what time are we announcing?
[03:53] <Riddell> je4d: delayed until tomorrow
[03:55] <JRe> is it possible to have two different pbuilder chroot installed in the same time ??? (like one for breezy, one for hoary)
[03:55] <Riddell> not honestly sure
[04:35] <JRe> Riddell: it's possible to have two chroot installed in the same time with pbuilder
[04:35] <JRe> Riddell: using --basetgz
[04:36] <Riddell> there you go then JRe
[04:36] <Riddell> there you go then je4d
[04:36] <JRe> Riddell: yeah pbuilder do really _rocks_
[04:38] <JRe> Riddell: when i'll be able to really use it, i'll update PbuilderHowto because i think it's interessant, ok ?
[04:38] <JRe> s/interessant/interesting/
[04:38] <JRe> (damn frenglish)
[04:39] <Riddell> JRe: formidable
[04:41] <je4d> Riddell: ?
[04:42] <Riddell> je4d: tab completion weirdness
[04:42] <je4d> :P
[06:40] <apokryphos> Why doesn't Kubuntu use backports instead of another kubuntu.org repo?
[06:43] <Riddell> apokryphos: that's something I may look in to
[06:46] <Riddell> i18n packages up on dev.kubuntu if someone could test them
[06:48] <sebas> Riddell: Do you have 3.4.2 packaged? :)
[06:48] <sebas> I.e. are the packages already available for us mere mortals?
[06:51] <Riddell> 11:25 < JRe> Mez: [11:29] <Tonio-> deb http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/hoary-kde342/ hoary-updates main
[06:54] <sebas> Lovely.
[08:38] <KabelKasper> Riddell: Maybe I found a sceond issue? kde-i18n-de depends on kdelibs4c2 but its not installable.
[08:38] <KabelKasper> Or is it me who makes somewhat wrong?
[08:39] <KabelKasper> same for other language packs
[09:38] <Riddell> KabelKasper: thanks for spotting that. I'm sure I had changed that but seems not. fixing
[10:14] <Riddell> KabelKasper: try now
[10:17] <KabelKasper> Riddell: Good work! :)
[11:21] <Riddell> review day tomorrow
[11:21] <Riddell> send stuff to revu
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2005-08-13-#ubuntu-toolchain
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[12:04] <doko> lamont: the openoffice.org build did fail again on i386, same reason
[12:05] <doko> same with openoffice.org2
[12:39] <jbailey> Cool, it's into the testsuite this time, so disabling the mudflap thing was hopefully enough.
[01:11] <doko> infinity: ^^^ I don't know what lamont did before requeing the OOo* builds, but it didn't help
[01:57] <lamont> doko: I did a dpkg --configure on the annoyed package, and removed all the crap.
[01:58] <lamont> doko: which is to say, there's a pretty b0rked package in there.
[02:03] <infinity> lamont, doko : That dpkg segv is known, but some preliminary debgging has gotten knowhere, except "jee, looks like a horribly smashed stack, yay".
[02:04] <infinity> I'm hoping that drastically rearranging the mesa packages in the next few days will "work around" the dpkg bug, but I won't hold my breath either.
[02:06] <doko> it's just that during the past months OOo* packages only build on Mondays at new moon, when the tide is high and a new planet in our solar system is discovered :-(
[02:07] <lamont> :-)
[02:10] <doko> as more as you try to depend on external build dependencies, as more it becomes broken. obviously we don't have a different understanding of "broken" ;)
[02:17] <lamont> heh
[02:35] <lamont> and hppa climbs to within 14% of #1. :-)
[02:35] <lamont> aka #5 :-(
[02:56] <jbailey> Hmm. g++-4.0 -m64 tests appear to be sucking wind.
[02:57] <jbailey> # of expected passes 215
[02:57] <jbailey> # of unexpected failures 1710
[02:57] <jbailey> # of unexpected successes 1
[02:57] <jbailey> # of expected failures 5
[02:57] <jbailey> # of unsupported tests 9
[02:57] <jbailey> I'm curious about the unexpected success. =)
[02:57] <lamont> that was testing to make sure something failed, maybe?
[02:57] <jbailey> No, dear.
[02:58] <lamont> hehe
[02:59] <jbailey> lamont: The glibc fix is working right for you then?
[02:59] <lamont> beautifully
[02:59] <jbailey> Cool.
[02:59] <jbailey> I'll need to hear from doko before I know what to do with this compile, assuming it produces packages correctly.
[03:00] <jbailey> I have this vague suspicion that it didn't actually produce the binaries or something.
[03:00] <jbailey> And sometime around then I need to get initramfs-tools made the default.
[03:01] <jbailey> lamont: If I do the upload of the kernel package, and a noop upload of the linux-source based on the new kernel package, will you take care of getting the changes into you repo?
[03:06] <lamont> ??
[03:09] <infinity> It is.
[03:09] <infinity> jbailey : There's no such thing as a "noop upload of linux-source", all the linux-image binaries are generated by it.
[03:10] <jbailey> lamont: Umm. Whatever bits contains make-kpkg
[03:10] <jbailey> lamont: Which is the bit that needs changing.
[03:10] <infinity> Oh, "kernel-package"
[03:11] <jbailey> Right.
[03:11] <infinity> But still, no such thing as a noop upload of linux-source. Unless you mean "no source change upload", with an non-op of rebuilding every kenrel image. :)
[03:11] <jbailey> no-op from my point of view.
[03:11] <jbailey> ;P
[03:11] <infinity> Oh. No-effort, then. :)
[03:11] <lamont> ah, right.
[03:11] <infinity> I'll accept that.
[03:12] <lamont> so you upload kernel-package with the change, then fix the build-deps and upload the kernel
[03:12] <jbailey> Yup
[03:12] <infinity> (Though, you'll want to put in at least minimal effort to bump the kernel-package build-dep, if you don't want stuff to blow up)
[03:12] <jbailey> But I want to make sure that I don't make it hard to keep your baz repo happy for the kernel stuff.
[03:12] <lamont> ah, ok. I get it...
[03:13] <lamont> how soon you want to do this?
[03:13] <infinity> Merging in a 1 line change plus a changelog entry shouldn't be too tough. ;)
[03:13] <lamont> ah, doesn't much matter...
[03:13] <jbailey> lamont: Tongiht, ideall.
[03:13] <jbailey> +y
[03:13] <lamont> jbailey: you hooked up for baz hackery?
[03:13] <lamont> or is that what you're asking me to do?
[03:13] <jbailey> infinity: I think they name the branches after the version numbers.
[03:13] <jbailey> lamont: I'm asking you to do that. baz and I don't get along.
[03:13] <lamont> ok.
[03:13] <lamont> either I'll do it or I'll dump it on fabbione. :-)
[03:14] <infinity> jbailey : You're not alone. baz and I have had some pretty heated arguments.
[03:14] <jbailey> Sound slovely. =)
[03:15] <jbailey> infinity: I suggest hanging out on #bzr and encouraging mpool to ignore any heritage they consider taking from baz. =)
[03:15] <infinity> I figure the path of least resistance there is to re-brand svn as bzr and let it loose on the world.
[03:15] <jbailey> infinity: I think they've found it helpful to have me occasionally say "What? Why would I want to know what the hell a library is before I do a checkout?"
[03:15] <infinity> While I may like that, however, I suspect it may irk others.
[03:16] <jbailey> Rebranding git as bzr would be a better match.
[03:16] <jbailey> At the moment they serve about the same goals.
[03:16] <desrt> 'git' is a much cooler name, though
[03:16] <jbailey> git/cogito
[03:17] <jbailey> desrt: I've assumed the pronounciartion of 'bzr' is 'buzzer', which is kinda fun, too.
[03:17] <desrt> jbailey; you pronouce it like "cathedral" backwards :)
[03:17] <lamont> jbailey: I've heard it pronounced bazzer
[03:17] <jbailey> I like the Linus quote on the OLS t-shirts this year, something to the effect of "I'm an egotistical bastard. I name all my projects after myself. First Linux, now git"
[03:18] <lamont> lol
[03:19] <jbailey> Ooo Ooo! debhelper time!
[03:39] <jbailey> BOOYAH
[03:39] <jbailey> I have a biarch gcc-4.0 now, too
[03:39] <jbailey> And no amd64-libs on my system
[03:41] <infinity> \o/
[03:43] <jbailey> infinity: What hours are you working these days?
[03:43] <jbailey> infinity: If LaMont's away, I'm goign to need you for the bootstrap fun.
[03:43] <desrt> jbailey; dude. infinity is a busy guy
[03:44] <jbailey> desrt: YEs, and I'm about to make him busier...
[03:44] <infinity> In theory, 10-6 AEST (2400 - 0800 UTC, I think)
[03:45] <infinity> In practice, I'm in and out all evening, unless I have something else to do.
[03:45] <infinity> desrt : I appreciate the 3rd party atempt to dodge work, but jbailey's asking e to do something suqarely in my job description (for once, yay), so I can't very well cop out with "I'm budy". :)
[03:45] <infinity> s/budy/busy/
[03:46] <infinity> Although, how anyone could want help from someone whose typing is this horrible, I don't know.
[03:46] <infinity> Maybe I need to turn off all the filesharing applications on my girlfriend's computer, so I'm not typing 12 words ahead of my visual feedback.
[03:47] <jbailey> infinity: 'kay. Once I get doko's final okay on the gcc-4.0 failures, I have the binaries that you need to install in the chroots.
[03:47] <jbailey> infinity: Doing the rebuilds shouldn't take any of your attention (Just one each, about 3 hours per gcc, 2 hours for glibc)
[03:48] <jbailey> infinity: Then drop those in the buildd chroot and feed it the source packages that I'll have signed for you.
[03:48] <infinity> jbailey : <nod>.. I understand the concept. :)
[03:48] <jbailey> infinity: Cool, it's as much to confirm the steps for me as anything. =)
[03:48] <infinity> jbailey : Just be a dear and sign the binaries you expect me to bootstrap with as well.
[03:48] <jbailey> infinity: Sure. Signed changes file good enough?
[03:48] <infinity> Good enough for me, yeah.
[03:49] <lamont> better be... :-)
[03:49] <lamont> infinity: thanks man
[03:49] <infinity> Unless you're a l33t MD5 hax0r.
[03:49] <jbailey> infinity: Will you be fussed if the glibc you build with is slightly different that the one you're building?
[03:49] <jbailey> infinity: My current build doesn't have lamont's hppa patch in it yet.
[03:49] <infinity> Doesn't hurt my feelings any.
[03:50] <jbailey> And the gcc-3.4 that I'll be building suggests libc6-dev-amd64 instead of libc6-amd64
[03:50] <jbailey> So basically stupid little changes like that.
[03:50] <jbailey> But that I'd rather not piss away 8 hours on rebuilding for if I can avoid it.
[03:50] <infinity> I'll get over it. So long as the final binaries produces at the end of the bootstrap are correct.
[03:50] <jbailey> That's the promise.
[03:50] <infinity> That's the whole point, really. The intermediate shit is expected to be goofy anyway.
[03:51] <lamont> jbailey: and technically, it's two builds of each.... That is, what gets uploaded is built using only debs built in the data center
[03:51] <infinity> He doesn't need to care about that last step, mind you. :)
[03:51] <lamont> infinity: true
[03:52] <jbailey> Right. ;)
[03:52] <infinity> Well, he does if the new gcc/glibc combo somehow fails to build itself, but that shouldn't happen.
[03:52] <jbailey> lamont spent alot of time convincing me to not care about buildd time.
[03:52] <lamont> I just wanted him to understand that it was actually a small amount of work..
[03:52] <jbailey> Something or other about Ubuntu not having m68k whiners^Wmachines that we have to worry about bogging down.
[03:52] <infinity> buildd time in Ubuntu is pretty.. Plentiful.
[03:53] <lamont> yeah. cycles we got
[03:53] <infinity> It's not the "lack of m68k" factor, so much as the "overkill redundancy" factor.
[03:53] <jbailey> True.
[03:53] <lamont> OTOH, if you don't have my glibc fix, we'll have to talk...
[03:53] <lamont> :-[)
[03:53] <infinity> We can rebuild the archive in n otime flat on a single buildd of any of the 3 release arches... So what do we do?.. Have 3 buildds for each. Yay.
[03:53] <jbailey> But fundamentally when I upload, I usually think about "Is this change enough to merrit bogging down an m68k machine for a day or two?"
[03:54] <jbailey> (In Debian, obviously)
[03:54] <jbailey> Or an arm machine.
[03:54] <infinity> jbailey : I wouldn't worry about the m68k case in Debian either, if I were you.
[03:54] <infinity> jbailey : If we're backlogged, your 5 uploads in a day will go unnoticed anyway, and if we're caught up, we're caught up, so what do you care? :)
[03:55] <jbailey> True. =)
[03:55] <jbailey> Does the buildd still kill in-progress builds when w-b notifies that a newer version is going?
[03:55] <infinity> If the buildd gets the mail, sure.
[03:56] <infinity> (Well, it doesn't kill the build, it just purges the build directory, which causes it to fall the fuck over miserably and confuse people reading the logs)
[03:56] <infinity> But, in essence, it works.
[03:56] <jbailey> Ahahaha
[03:56] <jbailey> sweet
[03:56] <jbailey> The buildd software is such cruft.
[03:57] <infinity> Removing the build tree out from under the build is the most reliable way to make it fail in a hurry.
[03:57] <infinity> It's just confusing to understand why it died, if you're not used to it.
[03:58] <lamont> mind you, I don't think hppa/ia64 do the nuke-the-build-tree trick
[03:58] <jbailey> Oh sure. And a tire-iron is the fastest way to get a cyclist off his bicycle.
[03:58] <jbailey> But still...
[03:58] <infinity> No, a new driver in Germany is.
[03:58] <infinity> Which is a joke that my adopted countrymen here iN Australia may find in poor taste...
[03:59] <infinity> (Did you guys get that news story over there?)
[03:59] <jbailey> I do remember a friend of mine remind me that the fastest way to a man's heart is through the breastplate.
[03:59] <jbailey> Followed by someone else pointing out the through the base of the throat might be faster because you're pretty guarnateed to get it right in one hit.
[03:59] <jbailey> infinity: I don't think so...
[04:00] <jbailey> Ahahaha
[04:00] <infinity> jbailey : Oh, a few weeks ago, the entire Australian women's cycling team was run over in Germany by someone who had been licensed for only a few months.
[04:00] <jbailey> Google images gives this hit first for "Tire Iron":
[04:00] <jbailey> http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/safety/motorist/behaviors/aggressive/
[04:00] <jbailey> infinity: Oh ouch. =(
[04:01] <infinity> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/cycling/4695385.stm
[04:02] <jbailey> infinity: Oh ouch. =(
[04:02] <infinity> That's okay, I didn't know any of them, and besides, it's against my religion to offer condolences.
[04:03] <jbailey> Oh, I know why I missed that.
[04:03] <jbailey> I spent the 20th sitting in the senate watching the same-sex marriage debate.
[04:04] <infinity> Oh, I came up with the solution to the same-sex marriage debate yersterday evening, in a fit of absolute brilliance.
[04:04] <jbailey> Oh?
[04:05] <jbailey> I'm happy enough with the solution that Canada came up with.
[04:05] <infinity> I was sitting here, filing my taxes, and noted that several government agencies, from two different governments, consider Zofia and I to be husband and wife, despite having never been issued a marriage certficate, realised that in modern western society, the "legal marriage certificate" has become completely meaningless (from a legal standpoint), and decided the fastest way to end to debate is to stop issuing them altogether, to any couples.
[04:05] <jbailey> That was one option that was debated.
[04:05] <desrt> jbailey; seriously though. infinity has to fix X and the kernel :)
[04:06] <jbailey> The problem with it is that 'marriage' is an initernationally recognised term protected by various treaties.
[04:06] <jbailey> If we were to stop issuing marriage certificates, there are a number of legal inconveninences.
[04:06] <infinity> It even seems to have a positive side, that people who hook up, get drunk, and get married that night won't be considered "married" by the government, since you'd need defacto status (12 months or more, etc) to be considered actually committed to each other.
[04:06] <jbailey> It would be far better to issue one to everyone at birth.
[04:06] <jbailey> Relax the rules of marriage to be from 1 to N people.
[04:06] <jbailey> And just make everyone marries. =)
[04:07] <infinity> Hah, that's a curious option, too. :)
[04:07] <infinity> From the government standpoint, though, I do like the "only recognise people who pass the defacto test" concept.
[04:08] <desrt> what government is this?
[04:08] <infinity> My ficticious one.
[04:08] <infinity> That I will set up when I invade Tasmania.
[04:08] <desrt> so.... .nz?
[04:08] <ajmitch> infinity: on another note, is a test rebuild of the archive planned sometime before release?
[04:09] <infinity> ajmitch : It's ongoing. elmo dumps and reloads the breezy-autotest wanna-build database every few days, and wee see how badly off everything is.
[04:09] <infinity> ajmitch : I've only been holding off on FTBFS bug filings, because I know a large number of those bugs are rooted in specific problems with packages that are being fixed.
[04:09] <ajmitch> alright
[04:10] <ajmitch> we'll probably need to get onto a few of those for universe
[04:10] <infinity> Once I /think/ things should be buildable, I'll start irritating the packages which clearly still aren't.
[04:10] <jbailey> infinity: I want lkh related bugs sooner rather than later!
[04:10] <jbailey> (Of course, lamont has been diligently finding most of those for me...)
[04:13] <jbailey> interdiff: gcc-4.0_4.0.1-4ubuntu2.diff.gz doesn't contain a patch
[04:13] <jbailey> hmm
[04:13] <jbailey> Ah, need -z
[04:14] <infinity> What have you got against debdiff? :)
[04:14] <jbailey> I want to send doko what I changed in the source package for review.
[04:15] <infinity> Yes, and?
[04:16] <infinity> 'debdiff 1.dsc 2.dsc' is a lot less typing. Something I'm rather fond of.
[04:16] <jbailey> debdiff looks like it works on .deb files
[04:16] <jbailey> I did interdiff -z *diff*
[04:16] <infinity> Yeah, I do "debdiff *dsc". :)
[04:16] <infinity> Close enough, I guess, if your fingers are trained for the former.
[04:17] <lamont> jbailey: see http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/Lists/breezy-autotest.all.$ARCH
[04:17] <lamont> iirc
[04:17] <jbailey> lamont: Nice, thanks.
[04:17] <lamont> of course, if something is failed there, and failed in buildLogs/Lists/breezy.all.$ARCH, then it could just be broken.
[04:18] <lamont> installed in breezy, and Failed/Building in breezy-autotest is generally bad.
[04:18] <lamont> (unless we're actually doing a build at that moment, which is rare)
[04:18] <jbailey> lamont: Grep from "Failed", yes?
[04:18] <jbailey> Cool, thanks.
[04:18] <lamont> grep Building
[04:19] <lamont> unless infinity has been marking them failed...
[04:19] <infinity> No, that's something I wanted to change.
[04:19] <lamont> Building --> really building, or failed-if-done
[04:19] <infinity> We should update the autosigner on sanae to auto-fail failed logs for -autotest, rather than leave them in building.
[04:19] <infinity> Since -autotest is supposed to be, y'know, automated.
[04:20] <lamont> hrm... good point..
[04:20] <lamont> you feel safe hacking that?
[04:20] <infinity> Yep, it's just awaiting a round tuit.
[04:20] <infinity> Which I should find after today.
[04:20] <lamont> well, if you haven't done it before I'm back on the 15th, I'll get to it..
[04:20] <infinity> (I have to attack a few BreezyGoals, before mdz and I meet this afternoon and he gives me hell for only doing half my job)
[04:21] <lamont> hehe
[04:21] <lamont> good idea
[04:29] <lamont> jbailey: that means fabbione love later tonight for the kernel, in all likelihood
[04:30] <jbailey> lamont: 'kay, thanks.
[04:30] <jbailey> lamont: Good sleeps, my friend.
[10:15] <doko> lamont, infinity: any news about the OOo* build failures / buildd b0rkage ?
[10:55] <doko> lamont, infinity: any news about the OOo* build failures / buildd b0rkage ?
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[12:03] <mbreit> okay, done
[12:03] <dholbach> super!
[12:03] <dholbach> rejoice!
[12:03] <mbreit> should i even join the member group on launchpad now?
[12:03] <dholbach> if you're a member, you'll soon get an @ubuntu.com mail adress - that's worth it :-p
[12:03] <tseng> no, you need to be added
[12:03] <tseng> dholbach: will he?
[12:03] <tseng> where's mine
[12:04] <mbreit> "To apply for membership in Ubuntu, please follow this link, log in (or create a Launchpad /Ubuntu web site account if you don't yet have one, it's the same account you use for wiki and web site editing and everything else in ubuntu) and then join the "ubuntumembers" team."
[12:04] <mbreit> i mean the last few words... should i do that now?
[12:04] <Mez> dholbach, yeah right - we've been waiting for @ubuntu.com emails for ages
[12:05] <dholbach> Mez: how long are you a member now?
[12:05] <tseng> mbreit: hm oh
[12:05] <Mez> dholbach, I'm about 5'11"
[12:05] <dholbach> ...
[12:06] <crimsun> Mez: not height dude, duration.
[12:06] <Mez> crimsun, I know, was a joke
[12:06] <dholbach> which period of time did we have the pleasure to have you among the motu members?
[12:06] <Mez> 2005-06-21 was the date I was approved
[12:06] <tseng> i thought it was a good one
[12:06] <crimsun> Mez: I know ;)
[12:06] <Mez> and I've been a MOTU for 12 days
[12:07] <dholbach> i see
[12:08] <mbreit> should i join the member group or not??
[12:08] <tseng> if the wiki says so, I guess
[12:08] <dholbach> mbreit: do it, you'll have to be approved
[12:08] <tseng> ive never heard of that
[12:09] <mbreit> okay, done
[12:09] <Mez> tseng: it's a new thing
[12:09] <dholbach> mbreit: uploaded
[12:09] <mbreit> cool
[12:10] <mbreit> now the next question: why does my xorg on my laptop (just upgraded to breezy) not start :(((
[12:10] <tseng> hm where is google news rss feed
[12:11] <dholbach> mbreit: there was a mail from daniels on that topic
[12:11] <dholbach> mbreit: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-August/009421.html
[12:11] <mbreit> dholbach: according to his mail it should work
[12:11] <tseng> he might still have bad font paths
[12:12] <mbreit> yeah... that's my problem
[12:12] <tseng> in xorg.conf
[12:12] <tseng> make your paths like this
[12:12] <tseng> FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
[12:13] <mbreit> ouh? i let dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg create a new config... and that says /usr/share/X11/fonts/...
[12:13] <mbreit> oh, well, it's the same ;)
[12:13] <tseng> huh
[12:13] <tseng> and you have mkfontdir?
[12:13] <Mez> mbreit, my dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg breaks my xorg.conf
[12:13] <Mez> I had to make my own
[12:14] <mbreit> tseng: yes, i have it
[12:14] <mbreit> but still "could not open default font "fixed""
[12:14] <mbreit> it's xorg -44
[12:16] <Mez> has 44 gone through now
[12:16] <mbreit> Mez: since friday...
[12:16] <mbreit> but not for amd64, and that sucks..
[12:17] <dholbach> xkbutils installed?
[12:17] <dholbach> xkeyboard-config?
[12:17] <dholbach> oh sorry ... different problem
[12:17] <mbreit> dholbach: yes... its not the xkb problem..
[12:17] <dholbach> xfonts-100dpi-transcoded?
[12:17] <mbreit> yes
[12:25] <dholbach> good night everybody
[12:25] <dholbach> i'm off to bed
[12:30] <mbreit> loooool... i have solved my x problem...
[12:31] <mbreit> aber studying every line in the log i saw that it used ~/xorg.conf as config file... no idea where that file came from ;)
[12:34] <ajmitch> morning all
[12:34] <mbreit> hi ajmitch
[02:44] <crimsun> I should look at Thunar packages.
[02:47] <Amaranth> ick
[02:47] <Amaranth> we don't need thunar, we have the new kickass nautilus :)
[02:48] <Amaranth> which happens to look a lot like thunar...
[02:48] <tseng> Amaranth++
[02:48] <tseng> but anything to get rid of xffm is cool with me
[02:48] <tseng> that thing is even worse than konq
[02:49] <whiprush> word
[02:49] <tseng> whiprush: to your mother.
[02:49] <Amaranth> how can it be worse than konq?
[02:49] <tseng> dude, have you seen it?
[02:49] <Amaranth> does it just not do _anything_?
[02:49] <crimsun> thunar is in massive churn
[02:49] <whiprush> correct
[02:49] <Amaranth> because, i mean, konq is pretty bad
[02:49] <tseng> not only does it not do anything
[02:49] <Amaranth> it looks ugly doing it?
[02:49] <crimsun> a default perspective hasn't even been set
[02:50] <tseng> ill screenshot for you
[02:50] <crimsun> and god, those march '05 mockups are so ugly
[02:51] <tseng> tseng.ath.cx/images/xffm.png
[02:51] <tseng> this is the most crackful application of all time
[02:51] <whiprush> heh
[02:51] <whiprush> that's awesome.
[02:51] <tseng> can you guess what a pause button in a file manager does?
[02:51] <tseng> I cant.
[02:52] <whiprush> nor me
[02:52] <tseng> the red and blue
[02:52] <tseng> "scramble"
[02:52] <tseng> "unscramble"
[02:52] <crimsun> dude, xffm is nasty. I'm almost happy xffm4 doesn't build.
[02:52] <whiprush> I like the red and green circles on the left
[02:52] <tseng> there is a button for Touch
[02:52] <whiprush> no idea what they could possibly mean
[02:52] <tseng> whiprush: it seems to encrypt them with some obscure thing
[02:52] <crimsun> Maybe we'll just jack it and make it a metapackage that depends on nautilus. =)
[02:52] <whiprush> rol
[02:53] <tseng> dude ship thunar with xfce-meta
[02:53] <tseng> throw this pos out
[02:53] <whiprush> only thing neo-nautilus is missing is drag and drop onto the sidebar items
[02:54] <crimsun> I'm definitely considering making thunar preferred over xffm4 - if the latter will ever build
[02:54] <tseng> please.
[02:58] <tseng> another complaint, why doesnt xfce use the apps pixmap when i add a launcher
[02:58] <tseng> it still wants to use these like half dozen stock ones
[02:58] <tseng> or make me navigate to the real one
[03:16] <crimsun> it's less than intelligent
[03:19] <tseng> man
[03:19] <tseng> i cant figure out how to properly add lil star to the session either
[03:19] <tseng> or totally remove the taskbar
[03:20] <tseng> i seem to remember this being *more* usable
[03:20] <ajmitch> tseng: they probably saw KDE & thought 'we need this!'
[03:21] <tseng> meh
[03:21] <ajmitch> playing catchup with number of icons & buttons they can cram onto a screen
[03:21] <tseng> oh, xffm :P
[03:21] <tseng> yep
[03:29] <crimsun> oh man, I'm a moron. That epoch is probably why the new xffm4 hasn't built.
[03:30] <ajmitch> who put an epoch on it?
[03:31] <crimsun> Benny (os-works) did
[03:32] <ajmitch> how evil
[03:32] <ajmitch> why would he do such a thing?
[03:33] <crimsun> "* Raise version to keep APT happy." -- Benedikt Meurer <[email protected]> Wed, 05 Jan 2005 01:11:29 +0100
[03:33] <crimsun> Benny's a great guy, but that just makes syncing with Debian a nightmare
[03:34] <ajmitch> not just a nightmare, but basically impossible
[03:34] <ajmitch> since your version will always be higher unless debian takes on the epoch as well
[03:41] <crimsun> tseng: the "best" you can do is to enable auto-hide for the taskbar (if I understand what you're talking about)
[03:42] <tseng> crimsun: yeah figured
[03:42] <tseng> i was sure i removed it totally in 4.0
[03:43] <tseng> xfce is cute, but i dont think its for me :)
[03:49] <tseng> oh man
[03:49] <tseng> xclip installs in /usr/X11R6/bin
[03:49] <tseng> thats pretty bong
[03:50] <bddebian> bong? Heh
[03:53] <tseng> yes.
[03:56] <bddebian> Damn UniverseUnmetDeps just seems like it isn't getting any smaller :-(
[03:56] <bmonty> i'm trying :)
[03:57] <bmonty> there are a lot less a's and b's
[03:57] <ajmitch> hello bddebian
[03:58] <bddebian> bmonty: Me too but sheesh.. :-)
[03:59] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[03:59] <bmonty> there are a lot of packages there
[03:59] <bmonty> tseng: did you ever have any luck with that script you were working on?
[03:59] <tseng> no
[03:59] <bddebian> ajmitch: Boxed up the laptop today, plus mouse, wireless card, keyboard, and extra AC adapter. I just wanna grab an extra battery tomorrow and I hope to ship it out.
[03:59] <tseng> piuparts wasnt as helpful as i hoped
[03:59] <ajmitch> bddebian: great
[03:59] <bmonty> tseng: why not?
[04:00] <tseng> ^
[04:00] <ajmitch> what script was this, tseng ?
[04:00] <tseng> ajmitch: build list of unmetdeps, apt-get source each one
[04:00] <tseng> pbuild, install in piuparts
[04:00] <tseng> do you want it
[04:00] <ajmitch> ah
[04:01] <bmonty> yeah
[04:01] <ajmitch> sure
[04:01] <bmonty> please email it [email protected]
[04:01] <ajmitch> I'll see what I can do to make it play with any scripts I have
[04:01] <tseng> its nothing special at all
[04:01] <tseng> but i guess its a start in the right direction
[04:01] <ajmitch> easier than me writing my own 10-liner
[04:02] <bmonty> i'm wondering if my efforts would be better spent to make a script to figure out which packages only need a rebuild
[04:02] <bmonty> and which have other issues
[04:02] <tseng> thats what we are talking about
[04:03] <bmonty> I keep thinking that having a uml image of a breezy install would help
[04:03] <tseng> sent
[04:03] <ajmitch> bmonty: it could be, but I just have a chroot or 3
[04:03] <bddebian> Just throw them all to a buildd :-)
[04:03] <tseng> ajmitch: it needs a way to verify the install in piuparts and list it to a file or so
[04:03] <bmonty> thanks tseng
[04:03] <ajmitch> bddebian: we'll probably get that later in the cycle
[04:03] <bddebian> ajmitch: ?
[04:04] <ajmitch> bddebian: lamont or infinity will do a test rebuild of the whole archive
[04:04] <bddebian> Ahh, then we can stop? ;-)
[04:04] <ajmitch> so we get build logs for packages that now FTBFS, but built fine earlier
[04:04] <bddebian> bmonty: How are you checking your installs after your rebuild?
[04:04] <ajmitch> don't be stupid, that gives us 10x more work to do :)
[04:05] <bmonty> bddebian: I login to the pbuilder chroot and install them
[04:05] <bddebian> bmonty: From where? Are you using a local apt repo?
[04:05] <ajmitch> local apt repositories are dead simple to setup, use mini-dinstall for simplicity
[04:06] <tseng> i thought about that too
[04:06] <bddebian> ajmitch: I have one but it's a PITA to upload and synch for every package :-(
[04:06] <tseng> i didnt look too hard at what piuparts is doing
[04:06] <bmonty> bddebian: I don't have a local repo (though I probably should)
[04:06] <tseng> but it seems to be able to resolve depends given a dpkg
[04:06] <ajmitch> bddebian: automate it
[04:06] <bddebian> ajmitch: I'm too st00pid as you just pointed out :-)
[04:06] <tseng> also, this script would have to run on a system with some serious horsepower
[04:06] <tseng> or nothing better to do
[04:06] <tseng> its not really game for my laptop
[04:07] <bmonty> I use the build-dep to get most of the packages and then do everything else by hand
[04:07] <ajmitch> tseng: there re a number of useful tools like dpkg-depcheck, dpkg-checkbuilddeps
[04:08] <ajmitch> tseng: I don't have horsepower, just patience
[04:08] <bddebian> Hmm, maybe I should break out the old Dual PII 450 Proliant :-)
[04:08] <Lathiat> heh
[04:08] <Lathiat> whats this for, rebuilding everything?
[04:09] <tseng> unmetdeps
[04:09] <tseng> figure out what needs a simple rebuild
[04:09] <tseng> and what needs fixed build-deps or something else
[04:09] <Lathiat> ah
[04:09] <Lathiat> how would you do that?
[04:09] <tseng> apt-get source $package
[04:09] <tseng> sudo pbuilder build $package*.dsc
[04:09] <tseng> sudo piuparts -p ${RESULT_DIR}/$package*_i386.deb
[04:09] <tseng> something like this.
[04:10] <tseng> but what do I know
[04:10] <Amaranth> only one thing left on my system is using libexif10 :/
[04:10] <Amaranth> beagle
[04:10] <tseng> beagle is infallible
[04:10] <tseng> you see nothing.
[04:10] <Amaranth> i don't even have it running
[04:10] <Amaranth> i don't know why i keep it installed
[04:11] <tseng> should I rebuild it, I guess
[04:11] <ajmitch> ok, infinity says that auto-rebuilds are ongoing, so we can probably get logs of that sometime & throw together some more work for bddebian
[04:11] <Lathiat> tseng: hrm, if you set beagle to start on start in the preferences thing, it doesnt
[04:11] <tseng> Lathiat: thats in cvs
[04:11] <Lathiat> tseng: ah ok
[04:11] <Lathiat> ahh i love uni wireless
[04:12] <Lathiat> syncing up a breezy mirror at 1.6M/s
[04:12] <ajmitch> Lathiat: I really hope they get wireless access turned on before LCA here :)
[04:12] <Lathiat> ajmitch: :)
[04:13] <bddebian> ajmitch: More work for me? :-)
[04:13] <ajmitch> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/byDate <-- looks like the rebuilds that we may want
[04:13] <ajmitch> bddebian: sure, you seem to have too much free time
[04:13] <bddebian> Oh yeah
[04:14] <bddebian> This freakin sucks
[04:14] <ajmitch> what does?
[04:14] <bddebian> If you don't make a changelog entry and rebuild half of them puke dputing to a local repo because of "unstable"
[04:15] <bddebian> Heya crimsun
[04:15] <crimsun> hi bddebian
[04:15] <tseng> ajmitch: any ideas for the script?
[04:16] <tseng> im not sure piuparts is really suited for this
[04:16] <Lathiat> wtf
[04:16] <tseng> dude me too
[04:16] <Lathiat> how can they possibly have this as some kind of commercial product
[04:16] <tseng> just crashed for the 30th time today
[04:17] <Lathiat> i click "Automatically synchronize remote mail locally", and it disables the OK button in the preferences dialog
[04:17] <Lathiat> tseng: that might be a libsoup thing?
[04:17] <tseng> meh
[04:17] <tseng> whats wrong with libsoup?
[04:17] <bmonty> i think the only way they make any money is selling the exchange connector
[04:17] <Lathiat> tseng: it had a soname change, and evo hasnt been rebuilt to suit
[04:17] <tseng> its been crashing for awhile
[04:17] <Lathiat> thats why the calendar doesnt load among other things
[04:17] <tseng> oh, it hasnt?
[04:18] <tseng> I see
[04:18] <Lathiat> i only want to use it so beagle will index my mail
[04:18] <ajmitch> tseng: you shouldn't need to even use piuparts
[04:18] <Lathiat> i need to write a thunderbird plugin for it
[04:18] <ajmitch> if you're only checking for dependencies
[04:18] <tseng> ajmitch: yeah im sure there is something more clever to check installability
[04:19] <tseng> ill leave that to you, i did at least 2/3rd of it
[04:19] <bddebian> a "pbuilder install" using something like apt or dpkg-checkdep would be nice :-)
[04:19] <bddebian> err depcheck
[04:19] <ajmitch> alright, email the script you have to me
[04:19] <tseng> i did
[04:19] <ajmitch> ok, might take awhile to show up then
[04:20] <Lathiat> then we can split up the package list and do some kind of distributed building of packages by various MOTUs? :)
[04:20] <tseng> hah
[04:20] <tseng> ill head 50, youll tail 50
[04:20] <tseng> and then we'll regroup in the middle
[04:20] <Lathiat> :)
[04:20] <tseng> haha
[04:21] <ajmitch> and then we can start on the next big group of packages to fix
[04:21] <tseng> incoming is back to accepting superfulous .orig.tar.gz
[04:21] <ajmitch> whatever they may be
[04:21] <tseng> i was sure it would reject this
[04:21] <Lathiat> i think all the glu stuff needs changing again
[04:21] <Lathiat> to libglu1-mesa
[04:21] <Lathiat> not sure what libgl is supposed to be tho
[04:21] <Lathiat> anyone know? or should i harass daniel
[04:22] <tseng> i dont know anything.
[04:22] <bddebian> heh
[04:22] <Lathiat> tseng: heh who told you that? :)
[04:23] <ajmitch> Lathiat: yeah, not sure what's happening this week with X & mesa
[04:23] <Lathiat> man this LT chair im sitting on feels like it wants to snap off
[04:23] <Lathiat> ajmitch: i figure its libglu1-mesa-dev, but im not sure what we want for libgl1 dev
[04:23] <tseng> the only thing i know about GL is
[04:23] <tseng> enemy territory started last week
[04:23] <tseng> this week it insists i dont have DRI
[04:23] <tseng> and dies
[04:24] <Lathiat> heh
[04:24] <ajmitch> yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if my nvidia drivers were broken at the moment
[04:24] <tseng> its radeon
[04:24] <Lathiat> im using the new sexy l-r-m
[04:24] <Lathiat> manually installing the drivers was getting tiresome
[04:24] <Lathiat> due to having to reinstall them on every X or kernel upgrade
[04:24] <bur[n] er> has anyone used Parano? or another sfv file checker for gnome?
[04:25] <hub> and people say that I'm wrong when I say that proprietary drivers are bad
[04:26] <ajmitch> bur[n] er: can't say I've heard of it
[04:26] <bur[n] er> http://parano.berlios.de/
[04:26] <ajmitch> it might be possible to slip into breezy
[04:26] <ajmitch> I think mdz might be calling for a freeze on new packages soon
[04:26] <bur[n] er> i just don't think there are any sfv file checkers in ubuntu right now
[04:27] <ajmitch> (for universe)
[04:27] <tseng> buh
[04:27] <bur[n] er> it's just a .py and a .glade file
[04:27] <Lathiat> bur[n] er: cksfv
[04:27] <bur[n] er> well.. no gtk/gnome sfv checker
[04:27] <tseng> why in the world would this need so much gui
[04:27] <Lathiat> tseng: people leeching w4r3z off ftp sites
[04:27] <tseng> Lathiat: oh.
[04:27] <bur[n] er> because i want to double click a .sfv file
[04:27] <whiprush> juarez
[04:27] <Lathiat> which come with SFV files to check its complete
[04:28] <bur[n] er> if an xterm came up when double clicking .sfv, i'd be all forit
[04:28] <tseng> whiprush: classic
[04:28] <Lathiat> whiprush: heh
[04:28] <Lathiat> hrm i wish my battery lasted longer with the brightness up
[04:28] <bur[n] er> not necessarily warez
[04:28] <crimsun> must be emo juarez
[04:28] <bur[n] er> linux isos, big packages, etc
[04:28] <whiprush> tseng is sandbagging. His old gentoo side knows exactly what this is for. :p
[04:28] <bur[n] er> it also does md5
[04:28] <Lathiat> that tool does md5 too so i guess its kinda valid. :)
[04:29] <crimsun> those are usually md5summed or sha1summed
[04:29] <tseng> whiprush: dude dont stereotype me
[04:29] <whiprush> heh
[04:29] <ajmitch> whiprush: you wouldn't be one to mock gentoo users, would you? ;)
[04:29] <bddebian> Bah, this blows, I think I'll just go back to pr0n ..
[04:29] <bur[n] er> in any event, it'd make a nice .md5 checker as well
[04:29] <whiprush> Not me. :p
[04:29] <bur[n] er> what do I gotta do to get this in universe?
[04:31] <ajmitch> wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates
[04:31] <ajmitch> or you can package it & we'd take a look at it
[04:31] <bur[n] er> don't suppose you like checkinstall .debs? ;)
[04:31] <crimsun> that's a no.
[04:32] <crimsun> we don't upload binaries, we upload source + diffs
[04:33] <bur[n] er> oh... well source is easy enough to come by :)
[04:33] <ajmitch> a source package, not just a source tarball :)
[04:34] <ajmitch> as you can see, there's a small backlog of requested packages from users
[04:35] <bur[n] er> i see :\
[04:35] <bur[n] er> heh
[04:35] <bur[n] er> sorry, wish I knew more
[04:36] <tseng> lighttpd would be good
[04:36] <tseng> but there were some concerns about upstream on the itp last i looked
[04:38] <whiprush> wifiradar could probably be removed from that list once networkmanager is fixed.
[04:39] <bmonty> is breezy still going to use gnome-system-tools for network config?
[04:40] <ajmitch> bmonty: network manager, afaik
[04:40] <tseng> good night
[04:40] <ajmitch> night tseng
[04:40] <whiprush> nite
[04:40] <bddebian> gnight tseng
[04:40] <bur[n] er> thanks for the help y'all
[04:44] <ajmitch> ah, first thing in tseng's script, it needs to do apt-get build-dep $unmet
[04:45] <chillywilly> boo
[04:46] <bddebian> chillywilly!!
[04:46] <bddebian> chillywilly: I'm handing over my UniverseUnmetDeps duties to you ;-P
[04:46] <chillywilly> uh, yea right
[04:47] <ajmitch> great, get to work, chillywilly :)
[04:49] <chillywilly> no
[04:50] <chillywilly> I think bddebian needs more practice ;)
[04:50] <ajmitch> so do you
[04:51] <bddebian> heh
[04:58] <crimsun> don't worry, I'm chipping away at UniverseUnmetDeps, too.
[04:59] <crimsun> although I should budget my time tonight so I can get up early to prep for work tomorrow. :/
[04:59] <bddebian> Aye :-)
[04:59] <bddebian> crimsun: How do you test your packages after you build them?
[04:59] <bmonty> BTW, I'm working from the top of the list
[05:00] <bmonty> bddebian: you can test the install in the pbuilder chroot
[05:00] <crimsun> bddebian: install previous version, upgrade, execute, remove. Install new version, downgrade, execute, remove.
[05:01] <crimsun> sometimes the second one's hairy, but the first one's essential.
[05:01] <bddebian> Uhhh
[05:02] <crimsun> I have a breezy chroot and a breezy pbuilder
[05:03] <Lathiat> crimsun: shoudl you not also check an install without upgrade
[05:04] <hub> updated my 2 packages for REVU
[05:04] <crimsun> Lathiat: that's the second.
[05:04] <crimsun> "Install new version..."
[05:05] <crimsun> I suppose I could test for purge as well as remove
[05:05] <crimsun> shouldn't make any difference, though
[05:06] <Lathiat> well my point is
[05:06] <Lathiat> a fresh package
[05:06] <Lathiat> may be missing something in the previous version
[05:06] <Lathiat> so you really should purge
[05:06] <Lathiat> and i assume then theres an execute before the downgrade part
[05:07] <crimsun> err, I switched the order in the second part.
[05:07] <crimsun> yes, I do execute before downgrading.
[05:08] <Lathiat> ah right
[05:08] <Lathiat> makes sense now
[05:08] <Lathiat> :)
[05:09] <bmonty> crimsun: do you do your install tests in your chroot?
[05:09] <crimsun> bmonty: yeah.
[05:10] <bmonty> crimsun: do you know where I can find instructions on how to make my own chroot?
[05:10] <crimsun> bmonty: search the wiki for debootstrap, or look in the Debian Developers Guide for the chroot section by Colin Walters
[05:11] <bmonty> ok, thanks
[05:11] <crimsun> np
[05:15] <Lathiat> tseng: buh duh, tried blam recently? :)
[05:22] <bddebian> Bed time for me. Gnight folks
[05:22] <bmonty> yeah, its about time for me also.....cya all later!
[05:23] <crimsun> night.
[09:20] <pete> morning all
[09:24] <highvoltage> morning pete
[12:15] <tseng> Lathiat: yes?
[12:19] <Firetech> How can you make a debian package that isn't architecture specific?
[12:19] <HostingGeek> easy
[12:19] <HostingGeek> source package
[12:20] <HostingGeek> or non-binary package
[12:20] <Firetech> well it's more of a script package
[12:21] <Firetech> Trying to package GNU Source Installer
[12:30] <siretart> Firetech: make it Architecture: All (instead of Any)
[12:32] <Firetech> dpkg-gencontrol: error: current build architecture i386 does not appear in package's list (All)
[12:32] <Firetech> hmm
[12:33] <Mithrandir> use all, not All
[12:34] <Firetech> now it worked.
[12:37] <Firetech> hmm, It's too late for new packages for breezy, right?
[12:49] <Lathiat> tseng: nhandled Exception: System.DllNotFoundException: libblam.so
[12:49] (tseng/#ubuntu-motu) Lathiat: um
[12:49] (tseng/#ubuntu-motu) how did you manage that
[12:49] (Lathiat/#ubuntu-motu) dunno
[12:49] (Lathiat/#ubuntu-motu) i jus tupgraded it
[12:49] (Lathiat/#ubuntu-motu) and it stopped workign
[12:49] (Lathiat/#ubuntu-motu) libblam.so is in /usr/lib/blam
[12:49] (Lathiat/#ubuntu-motu) and its a valid link
[12:49] (tseng/#ubuntu-motu) ldd it
[12:50] (Lathiat/#ubuntu-motu) libgtkembedmoz.so => not found
[12:50] (Lathiat/#ubuntu-motu) libxpcom.so => not found
[12:50] (tseng/#ubuntu-motu) there you go
[12:51] <tseng> mine is correct, wahts wrong with yours?
[12:51] <Lathiat> well libgtkembedmoz.so is in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox only
[12:51] <Lathiat> that be why it cant find it?
[12:52] <tseng> mine can find it
[12:53] <tseng> /usr/lib/mozilla/libgtkembedmoz.so
[12:53] <Lathiat> hrm
[12:53] <tseng> /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/libgtkembedmoz.so
[12:53] <tseng> hm
[12:53] <Lathiat> mm, i dont have the mozilla one
[12:53] <tseng> yeah
[12:54] <tseng> oh I know
[12:54] <tseng> i didnt fix the build dep i bet
[12:55] <Mez> siretart: ping
[12:56] <tseng> uploaded
[12:59] <Lathiat> thanks
[01:00] <mbreit> someone with amd64 here?
[01:01] <HostingGeek> mbreit: sf.net has....
[01:02] <mbreit> HostingGeek: ??
[01:02] <HostingGeek> wtf --- irc.freenode.net sets ban on %*!*HostingGe@*.exetel.com.a
[01:03] <HostingGeek> mbreit: sf.net have a compile FARM
[01:04] <mbreit> HostingGeek: i just need someone to verify that nvu segfaults on breezy/amd64 ;)
[01:05] <ogra> mbreit, the startscript vcalls a wrong binary somehow
[01:05] <mbreit> ogra: ah, okay... is someone working on that?
[01:05] <ogra> mbreit, i'd really appreciate if someone workd on nvu since i have to move it to main foe edubuntu but lacking time
[01:05] <ogra> for even
[01:06] <ogra> so grab it if you like ;)
[01:07] <mbreit> oh, i don't know if it is a good task for a newbie like me
[01:07] <ogra> its probably only hanging the call to the right binary in the startup script, i havent looked in detail yet
[01:07] <ogra> changing even
[01:08] <mbreit> but i get that error only on amd64? on x86 it runs just fine..
[01:08] <ogra> i havent tried on i386 as well yet... i'll do if i run my next ltsp test...
[01:10] <mbreit> oh, there was a build1 in the source archives... but compilation has failed on all archs
[01:10] <ogra> aha
[01:10] <ogra> !
[01:10] <\sh> what?
[01:10] <ogra> nvu
[01:10] <\sh> oergs
[01:10] <mbreit> error: X11/extensions/Print.h: No such file or directory
[01:10] <ogra> \sh, edubuntu ...
[01:11] <\sh> xprint-dev?
[01:11] <mbreit> looks like there are build deps missing...
[01:11] <ogra> *sighs deeply*
[01:11] <\sh> something like this
[01:11] <mbreit> i'll have a quick look at it... but i don't have that much time today...
[01:11] <\sh> Package: xprint
[01:11] <\sh> Binary: xprt-xprintorg, xprint-common, xprt, xprint
[01:12] <mbreit> oh, and there is the depricated xlibs-dev dependency
[01:12] <ogra> why the hell do KDE people tend to put everything in one HUGE source package... thats so silly
[01:12] <Lathiat> ogra: yeh i noticed like their multimedia stuff was like one big subset
[01:12] <ogra> recompiling kig here.... since 3h !!!
[01:12] <Lathiat> kig?
[01:12] <mbreit> kde interactive geometry
[01:13] <Nafallo> ogra: followed xorgs example? ;-)
[01:13] <ogra> its a very small and simple geometry tool
[01:13] <\sh> ogra: calm down...breath...calm down :) it's such a nice day :)
[01:13] <ogra> compiling it alone would work within 5min
[01:13] <ogra> \sh, i'm under total pressure
[01:13] <Nafallo> ogra: you should split kde for breezy+1 ;-)
[01:14] <\sh> ogra: we as well..until yesterday night
[01:14] <\sh> s/we/me/
[01:14] <ogra> Nafallo, ha ha ha
[01:14] <ogra> (note the tired tone in the ha)
[01:14] <\sh> or no...we is correct...nevermind
[01:14] <mbreit> where are the xprint devel files?
[01:15] <\sh> apt-file is not installable...right now
[01:15] <mbreit> looks like there is no xprint-dev package...
[01:15] <chmj> bmonty: ping
[01:19] <ogra> wow it actually stopped generating .cpp and .moc files....
[01:20] <ogra> hmm... and started to create .cc files
[01:21] <slomo> good morning :)
[01:21] <mbreit> hi slomo
[01:22] <tseng> i
[01:22] <tseng> hi
[01:45] <mbreit> yay... gnomeradio and wifi-radar has been accepted
[01:45] <mbreit> (and my adress is still not whitelisted...)
[01:48] <tseng> slomo: cowbell ACCEPTED
[01:48] <tseng> rock on
[01:49] <slomo> tseng: yeah i saw it :) today or tomorrow will come a new version... brad has almost finished 0.2.2
[01:49] <tseng> i saw in svn
[01:49] <tseng> alot of fixes
[01:53] <slomo> tseng: and you already uploaded it to ubuntu :) thanks
[02:07] <bmonty> chmj: whats up?
[02:08] <chmj> hey ben
[02:08] <chmj> charles here
[02:08] <bmonty> you wondering about the email for bluez-utils?
[02:09] <chmj> yes
[02:10] <bmonty> I was playing around trying to get that to compile, and it seems that the D-Bus API it is using is obsolete.
[02:10] <bmonty> some folks in here suggested I email you
[02:11] <chmj> ok
[02:12] <bmonty> I wrote a patch for part of the problem, but I didn't have time to figure out the code for building a D-Bus message
[02:13] <bmonty> the code with the problem is specifically with hcid and the ability to request a PIN with a D-Bus message (which can be disabled)
[02:13] <chmj> that works with the dbus in breezy, iirc
[02:14] <bmonty> the source package I had FTBFS with undefined references to D-Bus functions that no longer exist (I'm not a D-Bus expert, so I can only go from what is on their website now)
[02:15] <slomo> bmonty: which dbus functions did it use which no longer exist?
[02:16] <chmj> bmonty: what version of dbus ware you building against ?
[02:16] <bmonty> I think they were dbus_message_iter_get_reply, dbus_message_init_iter, dbus_message_iter_append_boolean
[02:16] <bmonty> chmj: the version from breezy
[02:17] <bmonty> not exactly sure on the function names
[02:18] <slomo> dbus_message_iter_append_boolean was replaced by dbus_message_iter_append_base or something similar... converting from the old to the new function is simple IMHO... but don't know about the other 2 but shouldn't be that hard too
[02:19] <bmonty> slomo: the other ones where easy, to build the D-Bus message I would have to figure out the typing stuff that D-Bus uses, and I haven't had time to do that
[02:20] <chmj> bmonty: what version of bluez-utils ware you building?
[02:21] <chmj> bmonty: 2.18(latest release) accommodate for the function changes
[02:21] <bmonty> afaik it was the latest source package
[02:22] <chmj> bmonty: check the version please
[02:22] <bmonty> looks like 2.10
[02:23] <bmonty> wonder how that happened :(
[02:23] <chmj> bmonty: thats an old version
[02:23] <chmj> bmonty: the one in breezy is 2.18, its has better dbus support
[02:24] <bmonty> ok, I'll make sure I have the new version and see if I can get it off the unmet deps list
[02:25] <chmj> bmonty: the shouldn't be any unmet deps, otherwise I would have known about it :)
[02:25] <bmonty> chmj: its on the unmet deps list
[02:26] <bmonty> hopefully it only needs a rebuild
[02:26] <bmonty> I gotta go...time to leave for work, cya
[02:32] <chmj> erm
[02:32] <chmj> bluez-utils is in main
[03:06] <\sh> who is approved motu now and doesn't have upload rights until now?
[03:07] <mbreit> \sh: slomo is, but i think he is afk atm
[03:13] <wickedpuppy> hi anyone knows where is .emacs ?
[03:16] <hub> in ~
[03:16] <wickedpuppy> i can't only see .emacs.d
[03:16] <Mez> \sh: why
[03:25] <janimo> crimsun, hi
[03:26] <crimsun> janimo: hi
[03:26] <janimo> I jus got your mail
[03:27] <janimo> have 5 minutes?
[03:27] <janimo> I send you mail otherwise
[03:27] <crimsun> sure, got time now.
[03:28] <janimo> ok I agree with keeping the 4.3 desktop
[03:28] <janimo> just talked to elmo in devel and looks like xffm4 has an epoch that's why we cannot sync
[03:29] <janimo> I am subscibing to xfce-debian right now to talk to them
[03:29] <janimo> about this
[03:29] <janimo> also xfce4-terminal seems to have built but not made it to the archives, need to talk to lamont
[03:29] <janimo> what do you think?
[03:30] <crimsun> hmm, haven't looked at xfce4-terminal yet, looking now.
[03:30] <janimo> and what do you mean with pushing xubuntu-desktop to elmo, it's gonna be a new universe package
[03:31] <crimsun> hmm, xfce4-terminal seems to have built
[03:31] <crimsun> at least according to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/x/xfce4-terminal/ it's present.
[03:31] <crimsun> (0.2.4-3ubuntu1)
[03:32] <janimo> yep, built but still Lists says it's uncomplied
[03:32] <janimo> and it did not go to the archives
[03:34] <crimsun> I'm not sure what you mean by "did not go to the archives"
[03:36] <crimsun> I see the debs for 3 arches in pool, and all arches save hppa list it as installed
[03:42] <janimo> hmm?it's in the pool, I wonder why apt-cache does not show it?Maybe it did not build fo i486?
[03:42] <janimo> I'll take a look
[03:44] <janimo> I updated 4 hours ago, I'll do it again
[03:46] <janimo> crimsun, yep it arrived in the past 4 hours :)
[03:47] <crimsun> ok :)
[03:48] <janimo> now it conflicts with xterminal but I'll fix it tonight
[03:48] <janimo> I justsent a mail to xfce-debain and cc:-d you
[03:50] <crimsun> great, thanks.
[03:50] <crimsun> oh, sorry, forgot to address your other question.
[03:51] <crimsun> I just meant we should ask elmo about xubuntu-desktop after we finalize its dependencies
[03:51] <crimsun> (out of NEW, etc.)
[03:52] <janimo> I thought that if it's a new packge in uni elmo has nothing to do with it or does he?I mean if it's not from sid
[03:52] <tseng> there is an xubuntu-desktop?
[03:52] <janimo> tseng, not-yet ;)
[03:52] <janimo> but I want one
[03:52] <tseng> heh rock on
[03:52] <Mez> janimo: r u making it ?
[03:52] <crimsun> janimo: oh, that's right. I think mdz/kamion take care of it
[03:52] <janimo> Mez, I'll try
[03:53] <Mez> janimo :D go for it
[03:53] <janimo> Mez, thanks :)
[03:53] <janimo> but please anybody can beat me to it ;)
[03:54] <crimsun> weekdays are bad for me due to presentations at work, but I'll steal nights as I've been doing to work on it
[03:55] <janimo> in about 2-3 weeks I'll be hopefully full time on this stuff :)
[03:55] <janimo> until then nights too
[03:56] <janimo> s/too/only/
[03:56] <crimsun> sounds great. I tried 4.2.2 last night, and there are a few graphical glitches, but I think they're related to the new GTK
[03:58] <crimsun> janimo: going offline (->work) for a bit, if you see anything else, please e-mail me. Thanks!
[04:02] <janimo> by crimsun
[04:54] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:54] <mbreit> hey bddebian
[04:54] <bddebian> Heya mbreit
[04:54] <slomo> hi bddebian :)
[04:54] <bddebian> Hi slomo
[05:00] <zyga> hello
[05:00] <pkern> Hm. I seems that the recent binutils security update broke binutils-multiarch's dependency. Who should I bother to fix this?
[05:00] <zyga> I was wondering why pylint depends on python2.3-lint instead of python2.4-lint
[05:01] <bddebian> chillywilly: Ahh, I thought I scared you away.. :-)
[05:02] <bddebian> Heya zyga
[05:02] <bddebian> zyga: It probably needs an update :-)
[05:02] <mbreit> btw: could someone please verify that gtkmm is still broken (dependencies in the -dev package)?
[05:02] <zyga> bddebian: well there is python2.4-lint
[05:02] <zyga> bddebian: I guess depends are broken
[05:02] <chillywilly> bddebian: just messing with my irssi config
[05:03] <bddebian> zyga: Aye, that's what I mean :-)
[05:03] <zyga> bddebian: ah :)
[05:03] <chillywilly> bddebian: set it up to auto-join here
[05:04] <pkern> Hm that's weird. binutils-multiarch is in Packages as 2.15-5ubuntu2 but listed on packages.ubuntu.com as ubuntu2.2 (the right one)
[05:04] <chillywilly> brb, gotta test something
[05:08] <bddebian> zyga: Does pylint fail on depends?
[05:26] <katzor> hi, on ruvu, a reviewer told me to use dpatch for my patches, however 'dpatch-edit-patch 01mx-support' gives me make: *** no ruleto create unpatch! What am i doing wrong? did i miss anything
[05:26] <katzor> *revu
[05:27] <mbreit> katzor: perhaps you are missing the "unpatch" dependency of the clean target in debian/rules
[05:27] <mbreit> katzor: forget it ;) you perhaps forgot to include dpatch makefile in debian/rules
[05:28] <katzor> any rtfm on that?
[05:28] <mbreit> yes
[05:28] <mbreit> http://tseng.ath.cx/log/?p=7
[05:28] <katzor> thanks :-)
[05:29] <mbreit> np
[05:53] <janimo> hey MOTUs :)
[05:53] <bddebian> Hello janimo (even though I'm not MOTU :-) )
[05:53] <janimo> bddebian, you wil be :)
[05:53] <janimo> assimilated
[05:53] <janimo> ;)
[05:54] <bddebian> Heh, don't bet on it :-)
[05:56] <Mez> bddebian, you seme to have a cheerleading crowd
[05:56] <Mez> are you a member yet bddebian ?
[05:57] <bddebian> Mez: An Ubuntu member?
[05:57] <Mez> yes
[05:57] <bddebian> Aye
[05:57] <Mez> thats goiod :)
[05:57] <bddebian> I have a cheerleading crowd? Who is that? :-)
[05:57] <Mez> *shrugs*
[05:57] <Mez> whoever was cheerleading for you in the emails
[05:58] <bddebian> In what e-mails?
[05:58] <Mez> bddebian, on -devel
[05:58] <Mez> and your cheerleader would be dholbach
[05:58] <bddebian> Oh.. I really need to join some MLs :-)
[05:59] <Mez> lol
[06:03] <mbreit> okay, could someone please fix gtkmm? there are a lot of unmetdeps-package that depend on gtkmm and can't be compiled....
[06:03] <mbreit> or can even someone help me to fix it ;)
[06:05] <slomo> mbreit: what's the problem?
[06:05] <mbreit> slomo: try to apt-get install libgtkmm-dev
[06:06] <slomo> hmm
[06:06] <slomo> that's just unmet build-deps, right?
[06:06] <slomo> i.e. renamed libsigc++
[06:06] <mbreit> shouldn't be to hard to fix
[06:06] <mbreit> slomo: i think it has already been rebuild..
[06:06] <slomo> should be boring ;)
[06:06] <mbreit> but the -dev package has the old dependency
[06:06] <slomo> hmm
[06:06] <mbreit> okay, now i know what to fix ;))
[06:07] <slomo> let me guess: just the control file? ;)
[06:07] <mbreit> yea
[06:08] <slomo> ok, so it is boring :) the hardest part will probably be to find someone who uploads it for you ;)
[06:08] <doko> mbreit, slomo: the names of the -dev packages didn't change
[06:08] <mbreit> doko: i know
[06:08] <doko> ok
[06:08] <slomo> doko: sure, but they have hardcoded dependencies on the binary packages which got renamed
[06:08] <mbreit> but i thought it was that it depends on the old libgtkmm
[06:09] <mbreit> but that is right... but libgtkmm1.2-0c2 is broken, too
[06:09] <doko> slomo: in the debian/control file? strange ...
[06:09] <mbreit> okay, so gtkmm needs to be recompiled with libsigc++0c2
[06:10] <mbreit> i need the binary needs a new name then...
[06:10] <mbreit> i think the... ;)
[06:11] <slomo> mbreit: probably not... gtkmm was already renamed for cxxtransition so i think you should keep the name as is
[06:11] <mbreit> slomo: it has been recompiled against libsigc++0
[06:12] <mbreit> oh, that was \sh..
[06:12] <mbreit> but he's not around atm :(
[06:13] <slomo> mbreit: but what do you want to call it now? it's already c2... but for such things better ask someone else... imho a plain rebuild of gtkmm should solve this
[06:14] <mbreit> slomo: that's why i do not want to take the job atm....
[06:14] <mbreit> but i will fix some other packages when that's done...
[06:18] <mbreit> oh, and libgnomecanvasmm2.0-1 needs some love, too ;)
[06:18] <mbreit> that's pretending me from fixing passepartout (well, i fixed it already... but can't compile it)
[06:19] <slomo> preventing? btw, is all the MoM stuff already merged?
[06:19] <doko> slomo, mbreit: the packages are not yet rebuilt. please check the build logs
[06:20] <mbreit> doko: someone uploaded it already?
[06:20] <mbreit> doko: oh, i just saw that you have uploaded it last tuesday
[06:21] <mbreit> doko: but that is the version that is already in breezy... and is broken
[06:22] <doko> which package?
[06:22] <mbreit> gnomecanvasmm
[06:24] <doko> mbreit: do you mean libgnomecanvasmm2.0 ?
[06:24] <mbreit> exactly
[06:24] <doko> not yet built
[06:25] <mbreit> huh? oh, okay, i see i have got those version numbers wrong..
[06:25] <mbreit> 2.0-1 is the one i need, not the one i have ;))
[06:25] <mbreit> so you are right.. sorry
[06:26] <eruin> is the blam maintainer here?
[06:27] <mbreit> okay, i really need to get a shower now...
[06:27] <slomo> mbreit: have fun ;)
[06:28] <mbreit> thanks ;)
[06:29] <eruin> where should I submit bug reports for blam?
[06:29] <eruin> it's a universe package but I cant find it on malone
[06:33] <slomo> eruin: what version and what are the problems you have with it? ;)
[06:34] <eruin> breezy version, small cosmetic bug; the planet ubuntu url is wrong
[06:34] <eruin> it is .org , while it should be .com ;)
[06:37] <slomo> ok, fixed... someone wants to upload it for me? tseng?
[06:41] <eruin> :)
[06:42] <bddebian> slomo: You still don't have upload rights?
[06:43] <slomo> bddebian: nope... nobody approved at that meeting has ;) and \sh is missing main upload rights too
[06:44] <bddebian> slomo: Well \sh is a little dangerous so that is understandable.. ;-P
[06:48] <bddebian> What would be the harm in re-submitting all of the UnmetDep packages back to the buildds, just the overload on the buildd?
[06:50] <slomo> bddebian: the version numbers wouldn't be raised
[06:55] <bddebian> slomo: Well obviously I mean with a small/quick changelog change
[06:57] <mbreit> bddebian: besides the load on the buildd it will cost some traffic, because everyone will update to the new version ;)
[06:57] <bddebian> mbreit: Well they should anyway since the current version had broken dependencies :-)
[06:57] <mbreit> bddebian: then there has to be a new revision anyway
[06:58] <bddebian> Uhm....
[06:58] <mbreit> bddebian: or i understood you wrong
[06:59] <mbreit> but i have no time now, i have to get to the local lug meeting ;)
[06:59] <bddebian> I'm just saying an motu grabs the package, update changelog to build1 and re-submit :-)
[06:59] <bddebian> Oh, have fun :-)
[06:59] <mbreit> thanks!
[06:59] <slomo> mbreit: can you notice me when you leave your house ;)
[07:00] <mbreit> slomo: well, i will dry my hair then i will go
[07:02] <slomo> ok fine... i'll get ready in a few seconds
[07:02] <bddebian> You two are going together? :)
[07:02] <mbreit> bddebian: yes ;)
[07:02] <bddebian> Nice
[07:02] <mbreit> see you all later
[07:03] <bddebian> Later mbreit
[07:03] <slomo> someone wants to upload this small change? http://yggdrasil.sytes.net/files/debdiff/blam_1.8.2-2ubuntu2.debdiff
[07:05] <slomo> ok... see you all later :)
[07:05] <bddebian> Later slomo, enjoy
[07:05] <slomo> thanks bddebian :)
[07:10] <janimo> anyone knows what was decided re config.{sub,guess} in the debdiffs?
[07:10] <janimo> should I just remove them from the source?
[08:18] <bddebian> Where the hell is everyone today?
[09:26] <infinito> anyone knows who's in charge for MOTUToSync ?
[09:49] <tseng> hi
[09:49] <Burgundavia> salut tseng
[09:51] <bddebian> Heya tseng
[10:12] <chris^> Bin Pennen Jungs - bis morgen ;)
[11:37] <tseng> where's mez =/
[12:05] <slomo> tseng?
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2005-08-13-#ubuntu-kernel
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[02:09] <zul> heylo
[02:10] <chmj> ola zul
[02:10] <zul> hey chmj
[02:22] <chmj> how is going ?
[02:22] <chmj> erm
[02:22] <chmj> hows it going ?
[02:28] <zul> good a little tired but im ok
[02:32] <zul> u?
[02:33] <chmj> good
[02:38] <zul> good
[03:19] <zul> lamont: got a couple of patches for you
[03:19] <zul> closes a couple of bugs
[04:18] <zul> hey lamont
[04:21] <lamont__> morning zul
[04:47] <zul> lamont__: i have some patches for you to merge fixes a couple of bugs
[04:48] <lamont__> today is an all-day offsite which I'll be at most of the day. Tuesday is slamming a week of work into 1 day. Wed-Sun are out-of-town
[05:00] <fabbione> guys i need to run very fast awat
[05:00] <fabbione> away
[05:01] <fabbione> Ben Collins might join the chan today
[05:01] <fabbione> he is the new ubuntu kernel guy
[05:01] <fabbione> since i am away, can you please take care of explaining to him where to start looking around?=
[05:01] <fabbione> thanks
[05:01] <lamont__> fabbione: btw, jbailey may want you to upload -6.9, for initramfs
[05:02] <fabbione> lamont__: i really really really need to go.. my first danish class is about to start and i should have left home already
[05:02] <lamont__> np have fun
[05:02] <fabbione> i will try to pass by later or tomorrow
[05:02] <fabbione> thanks
[05:36] <zul> hey ben
[05:37] <lamont__> Morning ben
[05:37] <lamont__> wow. laptop's interactive response goes to crap when you hammer the disk. go figure
[05:38] <lamont__> hr... so who nuked the topic?
[05:40] <zul> weird
[05:43] <lamont__> that's a bit more sane
[05:44] <lamont__> BenC: you'll want to use sftp://people.ubuntu.com/home/lamont/public_html/Archives/[email protected] as the archive
[05:45] <lamont__> and then we work on preX,N, and merge to mainline at release
[06:43] <zul> hmmm...https://wiki.ubuntu.com/x86_64packages
[08:20] <Mithrandir> so it appears either the kernel or udev is broken
[08:25] <Mithrandir> or at least _something_ is wrong, my /dev/input/mice isn't there
[08:26] <Mithrandir> rmmod-ing mousedev then modprobing it again "fixed" it.
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2005-08-13-#ubuntu-doc
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[09:52] <Madpilot> ?
[10:43] <mdke> hey jsgotangco
[10:43] <Madpilot> ah, people. having fun riding the splits?
[10:43] <jsgotangco> hey
[10:43] <jsgotangco> so there's a split
[10:43] <jsgotangco> that's why
[10:44] <jsgotangco> whats up?
[10:44] <jsgotangco> mdke: long time no chat
[10:44] <Madpilot> server mnt at freenode, actually. the main channel is bizarre
[10:44] <mdke> hi Madpilot
[10:44] <Madpilot> hi mdke
[10:45] <jsgotangco> internet is shitty on my side today
[10:46] <Madpilot> .ph is the Phillipines, right?
[10:46] <mdke> for a change :)
[10:46] <jsgotangco> right
[10:47] <Madpilot> sorry, just running whois on ppl...
[10:47] <jsgotangco> heh im staying more at home lately anyways
[10:48] <Madpilot> only 198 users over on the main channel - least I've ever seen...
[10:49] <mdke> jsgotangco, i saw you say you've finished your job
[10:49] <mdke> got any plans?
[10:50] <jsgotangco> mdke: i'm living off my savings at the moment looking at employment in a few days though
[10:50] <mdke> k
[10:50] <jsgotangco> i can be your stenographer if you want :) i type 72wpm :D
[10:50] <jsgotangco> hehe
[10:50] <mdke> you should formalise your role as docteam secretary and talk to mark about a salary
[10:51] <Madpilot> there isn't anyone @ Canonical whos primary responsibility is docs, right?
[10:51] <jsgotangco> heh yeah maybe i should do that one time
[10:51] <mdke> Madpilot, no
[10:51] <jsgotangco> Madpilot: there is none at the moment, but that should change soon as the project grows
[10:52] <jsgotangco> Madpilot: hence there is really no concrete direction at the moment
[10:52] <mdke> jsgotangco, you should do it right now :)
[10:53] <jsgotangco> i've been helping out tsf though on the cookbook port but i should move it to tsf servers
[10:53] <jsgotangco> once i started forking it for edubuntu
[10:54] <jsgotangco> i got an email from froud today turns out he admins those docs from tsf as well heh
[10:54] <mdke> tsf?
[10:54] <jsgotangco> shuttleworth foundation
[10:55] <mdke> hmm
[10:55] <jsgotangco> im not surprised after all he did learn linux for them
[10:56] <jsgotangco> they currently have a good project at the moment, the ICDL
[10:56] <jsgotangco> http://icdl.tsf.org.za/
[10:57] <jsgotangco> if you look at the contact info its inwords.co.za :)
[11:00] <mdke> heh
[11:00] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: what about inwords?
[11:00] <highvoltage> i'm just on jabber with Sean at the moment.
[11:01] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: nothing really, just telling mdke about stuff hehehe its cool
[11:01] <highvoltage> ok. cool.
[11:01] <jsgotangco> what's Sean's jabber ID?
[11:01] <mdke> highvoltage, you can read the scrollback
[11:01] <mdke> 10 lines
[11:01] <highvoltage> [email protected]
[11:01] <highvoltage> mine is [email protected], fwiw
[11:02] <jsgotangco> i was thinking of helping out the icdl on the ubuntu part
[11:02] <jsgotangco> since it already had mandriva and fedora
[11:02] <highvoltage> cool!
[11:03] <jsgotangco> ok thanks
[11:04] <jsgotangco> mdke: are you aware of any docbook tags that resemble a footnote?
[11:06] <Madpilot> I've been adding to this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands but I'm a near-total noob - I'm just adding the commands I'm finding helpful
[11:06] <Madpilot> if anyone has suggestions edit away!
[11:08] <jsgotangco> checking...
[11:09] <mdke> Madpilot, cool
[11:09] <jsgotangco> Madpilot: nice one, i suggest simulating a CLI on the samples though
[11:09] <mdke> jsgotangco, they exist... i dunno what they are tho, I always just copy from existing stuff
[11:09] <Madpilot> I'm considering a total re-format, and there's a couple of things I need to add as well
[11:09] <jsgotangco> mdke: yeah im just doing an awful hack at the moment and its not even working for me
[11:10] <jsgotangco> heh
[11:10] <jsgotangco> i should look into that basic docbook wiki entry might be there
[11:10] <Madpilot> the text switches between "terminal", "prompt" and "command line" at random - I need to rationalize that
[11:11] <jsgotangco> mdke: did you do this: DocteamDocBookTags
[11:13] <mdke> no
[11:13] <mdke> Greg did it
[11:13] <jsgotangco> ohh
[11:14] <mdke> i think it might be in the styleguide?
[11:14] <mdke> maybe not...
[11:15] <jsgotangco> no its not there was a plan to incorporate some basic docbook tags on the stylguide and i was thinking of adding whats in the wiki entry
[11:15] <jsgotangco> i remember jeffsch used to have a good wiki entry on docbook
[11:15] <jsgotangco> it just needs to be re-written in an ubuntu context
[11:19] <jsgotangco> i'll see you guys later, the father of a very close friend of mine died this morning after a long struggle with lung cancer
[11:19] <jsgotangco> laters
[11:19] <Madpilot> later, jsgotangco
[11:37] <Madpilot> I'm off myself. g'night/morning/whatever, all
[03:21] <jsgotangco> is the xsl stylesheet for xml in hoary borked?
[03:41] <mgalvin> g'morning all
[03:42] <jsgotangco> hey mgalvin
[03:50] <jsgotangco> man A9.com is awesome
[03:50] <jsgotangco> AJAX on steroids
[03:50] <jjesse> that's the amazon search right?
[03:51] <jsgotangco> yup that's an amazon research
[03:51] <jsgotangco> i don't like the history stuff though
[03:52] <jsgotangco> it kept reminding me that I checked out jessica simpson last night
[03:52] <jsgotangco> but having google, images and wikipedia in one search is really nice
[04:20] <jsgotangco> good night all
[04:20] <mdke> night mate
[04:20] <jsgotangco> wow
[04:20] <jsgotangco> mdke!
[04:20] <jsgotangco> why have you've been silent?
[04:20] <mdke> i'm at my computer less nowadays
[04:20] <jsgotangco> i see
[04:20] <mdke> so i use email more
[04:21] <mdke> in the last couple of weeks I've been quite busy with ubuntu-it
[04:21] <jsgotangco> i'm trying to figure out this script i ripped from jeffsch
[04:21] <jsgotangco> i see
[04:32] <jsgotangco> bye
[05:11] <jjesse> slow day today?
[05:12] <mgalvin> i can see the tumble weeds ;)
[05:16] <mpt> whoa
[05:16] <mpt> Try opening an SVG document in yelp
[05:16] <jjesse> bad news?
[05:16] <mpt> endless cascade of yelp windows :-)
[09:38] <Burgundavia> grumble grumble
[09:39] <Burgundavia> daniels cursed me
[09:39] <Burgundavia> I haven't had a single issue with X until now
[09:41] <Burgundavia> and now there is nobody here it bitch at
[09:45] <jjesse> problems?
[09:46] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:46] <Burgundavia> it gets to the where it would boot X and just goes to a non-graphical login
[09:46] <Burgundavia> no attempt to start X
[09:47] <Burgundavia> quite ironic, I got borked by the unborking release
[09:59] <jjesse> that sucks
[10:05] <mpt> ok, the Gnome User Guide is officially scary
[10:08] <mpt> Number of words in GUG's "Customizing the Desktop Background": 517. Number of words in Ubuntu Help's "Changing the desktop background": 117.
[10:10] <jjesse> wow that is a ton
[10:11] <mpt> I guess at some point the GUG was written by people who were paid by the word ...
[10:11] <jjesse> what would be the reason for that many words?
[10:12] <mpt> well, there's a *lot* of repetition
[10:12] <mpt> not of sentences, but of phrases
[10:13] <mpt> For example, three sentences matching the pattern "Choose * from the Background Style drop-down list*"
[10:14] <mpt> and just basic floweriness, like "Alternatively, you can select" instead of "Or choose"
[10:16] <mpt> I don't go for fewest words, though, I go for fewest syllables :-)
[10:16] <jjesse> go for best word
[10:16] <mpt> fewest syllables usually leads to best word
[10:17] <mpt> because a smaller word is much more likely to be common
[10:17] <mpt> easier to read, etc
[10:24] <mpt> The GUG also has a habit of doing a depth-first traversal of the interface, which leads to it explaining the bleeding obvious while not offering help on likely problems
[10:26] <mpt> example of the bleeding obvious: "The Pick a Color dialog is displayed. Choose a color, then click OK."
[10:27] <mpt> example of not offering help on likely problems: It doesn't even tell you how to find the Desktop Background preferences in the first place.
[10:43] <Burgundavia> ouch
[10:43] <Burgundavia> mpt, you follow desktop-devel?
[10:44] <mpt> yes
[10:44] <Burgundavia> thoughts on thread about device icon action?
[10:45] <Burgundavia> I notice that OS X does the same thing as nautilus (show the file manager)
[10:47] <mpt> My personal opinion is that Nautilus should have a "View" > "as Album" mode that gives you a Play button for music files, pictures, and movies
[10:47] <mpt> (along with other buttons relevant to the filetype)
[10:48] <Burgundavia> ya
[10:48] <mpt> but I guess that's some distance from current reality and developer direction :-)
[10:48] <Burgundavia> I personally think the default double click should be to play the dvd/cd
[10:48] <Burgundavia> that is most likely what the person wants to do
[10:49] <mpt> In other words, I agree with those who want double-clicking on it to open the device window, *and* those who want double-clicking on it to open an interface for playing the media :-)
[10:50] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:54] <Burgundavia> going to play with by breezy system again, try and fix it
[11:04] <Burgundavia> I accidentally removed gdm from my system
[11:05] <Madpilot> that was brilliant
[11:05] <Madpilot> hi Burgundavia
[11:07] <Burgundavia> salut mon frere
[11:07] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, are you not at work?
[11:10] <Burgundavia> I have some very nice classical music. I should listen to it more often
[11:11] <Madpilot> I don't work Mondays - my week is Tues-Sat for now
[11:12] <Burgundavia> random app --> http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=995
[11:53] <Burgundavia> that would be cool
[11:56] <Madpilot> xplanet is the "live" Earth-from-orbit simulator, right?
[11:56] <mpt> no, that's xearth :-)
[11:57] <mpt> xplanet is Earth + other planets + Sun + Moon
[11:57] <Madpilot> very cool. they're both in Hoary's repos, I see. any tricks to setting them up?
[11:57] <mpt> The last time I used either of them was xearth in 1998
[11:58] <mpt> though I did design the prefs for the non-Free (shame! shame!) OSXplanet
[11:58] <Madpilot> perhaps I'll mess with them later this week - and then write a wiki page about it!
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[12:00] <delire> DekaPink: muarharhar. not long now. not long..
[12:00] <Tarcastil> err, I'm not looking to see if I have a package installed
[12:00] <pcharky> delire: Thanks, i didn't use that one before, it quite fits my needs.. ;-)
[12:00] <_SWAT_> pcharky, sorry don't know about that? (and what do you actually mean)
[12:00] <Tarcastil> I'm trying to tell apt I have a package I installed without it
[12:01] <DekaPink> delire: I know... though I'm still going to want it or a virtual machine for like... TMPGenc... and Share. xD
[12:01] <calamari_> hmm.. appears to be runnign from /etc/cron.daily/slocate .. any harm in getting rid of that file ?
[12:01] <delire> DekaPink: you know it's all over for windows when you find yourself saying things like "time to cut out the rot" and feeling warm when imagining running df -h
[12:01] <thoreauputic> Tarcastil: erm... difficult since that implies you went outside the package management system
[12:01] <kryps> ahh, it was my box that is the problem, it won't start anymore.. it's the psu
[12:01] <pcharky> _SWAT_: I meant if you know whether there is a repository with plugin-packages for beep-media-player.
[12:02] <Tarcastil> thoreauputic, I just need to say I have java to satisfy dependencies
[12:02] <thoreauputic> Tarcastil: if it was a .deb apt should know about it
[12:02] <Tarcastil> since it's a binary install instead of a makefile, I couldn't checkinstall it
[12:02] <DekaPink> delire: Hehe... Yeah, it's getting there, for sure. I was very discontent the other night when I broke my Ubuntu and couldn't think about anything until it was fixed. xD
[12:02] <_SWAT_> pcharky, I don't know. Maybe you should checkout the ubuntu backports repo's :D
[12:03] <pcharky> _SWAT_: Thanks.
[12:03] <delire> calamari_ i meant to ask, do you have DMA on the disk / is mounted on?
[12:03] <Cody> is there anyway to get the file browser to use the same action as right click on folder -> browse
[12:03] <Cody> when double clicking
[12:03] <calamari_> delire: you asked, but I'm not sure how to figure that one out
[12:03] <brokeboy> in need of some assistance. cant get my .mp3s or .avis or anything to play on ubuntu! and what is the equivalent to .exe on ubuntu? i download freeware off the internet for linux and cant even get the files to run. shit most of the time i cant even find the files! whats the equlivent to the program folder in ubuntu?
[12:04] <thoreauputic> Cody: edit - preferences - behaviour - always open in browser
[12:04] <ray_> ok i have a question involving mplayer
[12:04] <lukiss> hello, im trying out the ppc liveCD on an old powerbook and it works fine... just one thing i cant figure out, how do you do a right mb click in gnome when you're on a mac?
[12:04] <thoreauputic> lukiss: use the F12 key
[12:04] <delire> calamari_: 'hdparm -d /dev/hda' where "hda" is your harddisk.
[12:05] <flodine> delire what do i do to update my files for the new wmii
[12:05] <delire> calamari_: be careful to type that line exactly
[12:05] <Cody> ty thoreauputic :)
[12:05] <bur[n] er> f12 == specific command... right click is different with every window that is focused
[12:05] <Tarcastil> thoreauputic: there's no dpkg command to tell apt I went outside the package manager?
[12:05] <bur[n] er> f12 would work for desktop i think
[12:05] <crimsun> brokeboy: slow down. (1) Install gstreamer0.8-mad and gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg. (2) There are no .exe files. Look at the file type: if it's executable, it's marked +x. You can see via ls -l. (3) /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin are the closest. There is no one program folder since executable files can be anywhere (more or less).
[12:05] <delire> flodine: are you running hoary?
[12:05] <calamari_> delire: /dev/hda: using_dma = 1 (on)
[12:05] <flodine> yes
[12:05] <delire> flodine: i would simply compile it
[12:05] <ray_> i have to use oss in mplayer and it works fine when i open mplayer then open the file.....if i open a file from the file-browser it is choppy like it is still running alsa
[12:05] <calamari_> so it appears dma is on.. good :)
[12:05] <thoreauputic> Tarcastil: well, dpkg is there to manage packages so...
[12:05] <tarvid> modems - which pci modems work?
[12:05] <lukiss> ohlala, it works! thank you!
[12:05] <delire> calamari_: hmm, well having DMA on should really lighten the load of that slocate
[12:05] <flodine> delire you mean with a tar file
[12:06] <delire> flodine: yes
[12:06] <Tarcastil> alright, well, thanks for the info
[12:06] <pcharky> _SWAT_: brokeboy https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:06] <pcharky> _SWAT_: sorry
[12:06] <MrYoda> evening
[12:06] <pcharky> brokeboy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:06] <flodine> delire will it come up in the start menu
[12:06] <cheesycow5_> i think every website on the internet is going down
[12:06] <delire> flodine: will what come up?
[12:06] <flodine> wmmi
[12:06] <thoreauputic> Tarcastil: you might have to install manually with --force-depends
[12:06] <calamari_> delire: does the Gnome search tool use slocate to find its files ?
[12:06] <delire> flodine: wmii is a window manager. it isn't run inside KDE or Gnome.
[12:07] <brokeboy> thanks . im off to try more trial and error. i'll be back soon im sure.
[12:07] <flodine> delire i want it in my log in screen
[12:07] <delire> calamari_: i believe as resourced from 'find', yes
[12:07] <delire> flodine: it should appear there, yes
[12:07] <delire> s/from/by
[12:08] <MrYoda> i have a little problem: ubuntu installation asked me to define a login and password, which i did. after that it did a reboot and did some finalization, which failed (compile error). now the shell asks me to login, but it won't accept the data i previously provided. is there any way to get things to work besides a complete reinstall?
[12:08] <paccer> okay - sacrificing a goat didnt work.. what the heck am i to do now? :(
[12:08] <delire> flodine: sorry "wmii is a window manager that doesn't run inside KDE or Gnome."
[12:08] <paccer> my samba simply broke in a unique way that aparently really sucks
[12:08] <cheesycow5_> yea, i think i accidentally took down the internet
[12:08] <cheesycow5_> i was clicking to many links to fast
[12:09] <delire> paccer: when you 'dpkg -l | grep samba' do you see "ii" next to the output?
[12:09] <flodine> delire i understand just want it in my login screen
[12:09] <delire> flodine: that'll work fine i believe
[12:09] <paccer> delire: yes
[12:09] <delire> paccer: and for samba-common also?
[12:09] <paccer> yes
[12:10] <flodine> delire what version do i get
[12:10] <Snippy> someone knows about cedega and steam ?
[12:10] <delire> hmm. what is the fatal error/issue?
[12:10] <delire> flodine: wmii-2
[12:10] <delire> flodine: the 'snapshot'
[12:10] <thoreauputic> paccer: possibly ask someone who has samba to do a dpkg -L samba and see what files you are missing, then do dpkg -x to look at the entrails of your package and move the relevant bits to the right places
[12:10] <paccer> delire: you asking me for error?
[12:10] <delire> flodine: when you install wmii, make sure you go through the tutorial presented to you.
[12:10] <delire> paccer: yes
[12:11] <paccer> delire: http://pastebin.arslinux.com/2220
[12:11] <flodine> delire snapshot is ion 3
[12:11] <everton> ola
[12:11] <delire> paccer: thoreauputic has a good suggestion there. why not find someone here and compare?
[12:11] <delire> flodine: you lost me there.
[12:12] <flodine> delire http://modeemi.cs.tut.fi/~tuomov/ion/download.html
[12:12] <pcharky> Can anybody tell me something about breezy? I got it installed on a separate partition-set to check it out. But gnome won't start. sessreg, and gdmwhich are missing.
[12:12] <paccer> can anyone do a dpkg -L samba for me please, and paste it on http://pastebin.arslinux.com maby? - would really apriciate it
[12:12] <Snippy> when I use cedega, I installed steam, no probs, trying to install CS: Source and it shows the bar that it creates local game things.. and it seems to hang.. it does nothing..
[12:12] <vladuz976> anybody know how i get ssh running on ubuntu?
[12:13] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: just install openssh-server
[12:13] <pcharky> vladuz976: sudo apt-get install ssh
[12:13] <thoreauputic> or that
[12:13] <Snippy> can someone help me please?
[12:13] <vladuz976> pcharky: thoreauputic and then how do i startit?
[12:13] <paccer> anyone with samba inhere? - i need a favor
[12:13] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: it starts by default
[12:13] <pcharky> vladuz976: it starts by default, but if you want to start manually: sudo /etc/init.d/ssh {start|restart}
[12:13] <levander> Does Nero support creating ISO's with Rock Ridge extensions?
[12:14] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: else you would do sudo invoke-rc,d ssh start
[12:14] <crimsun> levander: it does by default.
[12:14] <delire> paccer: that is very little information. what are you doing when this happens?
[12:14] <delire> flodine: i meant the wmii-2.0 snapshot
[12:14] <levander> crimsun: the Nero for Linux or the Nero for Windows?
[12:14] <paccer> delire: its a mail.. all i am doing is... nothing :)
[12:14] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: or sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start
[12:14] <crimsun> levander: both.
[12:14] <calamari> re's
[12:14] <delire> paccer: there will be samba logs that can help.
[12:14] <paccer> delire: i am doing nothing at all while it keeps spamming me with identical mails like that
[12:15] <levander> crimsun: really? I see an option to turn on Joliet, but not an option to turn on Rock Ridge
[12:15] <levander> crimsun: and yes, Joliet is on by default
[12:15] <Tarcastil> thoreauputic: is --force-depends in the man page for apt-get?
[12:15] <calamari> froze again.. I guess it didn't like me moving slocate.. kinda weird too because it took a little while before it froze
[12:15] <delire> paccer: sadly i don't run samba here, i don't know where samba logs are caught.
[12:15] <thoreauputic> Tarcastil: dpkg
[12:15] <paccer> delire: i do
[12:15] <delire> paccer: samba is used by millions, there will be a fix at hand i'm sure.
[12:15] <delire> paccer: consider the samba users mailing list
[12:15] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: says command not found
[12:16] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: which of the two?
[12:16] <delire> flodine: http://wmi.modprobe.de/download/wmii-2.tar.bz2
[12:16] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start
[12:16] <Tarcastil> thoreauputic: so if I use that option with the name of something, that something will be used as a dependency even though apt doesn't know about it?
[12:16] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: if ssh is installed, that isn't possible
[12:17] <_SWAT_> paccer, /var/log/samba
[12:17] <Snippy> can someone help me please?
[12:17] <Snippy> when I use cedega, I installed steam, no probs, trying to install CS: Source and it shows the bar that it creates local game things.. and it seems to hang.. it does nothing..
[12:17] <paccer> _SWAT_: thank you, but i know :)
[12:17] <samu> where is the settings file for vim located?
[12:17] <thoreauputic> Tarcastil: no, you install packages manually using the option
[12:17] <pcharky> calamari: try breezy and reconsidder ;-)
[12:17] <crimsun> levander: it may be version-dependent. Not much sense in supporting RR by itself on Nero/win32.
[12:17] <calamari> pcharky: lol.. yeah I'm sure Hoary is great compared to that haha
[12:18] <thoreauputic> Tarcastil: be careful - --force-depends is a last resort and not recommended
[12:19] <juanej> anybody with amarok working on gnome?
[12:19] <Bubbling_Zombie> yupz
[12:19] <calamari> hmm, after the reboot everything seems fine.. searching works without crashing me this time
[12:19] <pcharky> juanej: what's the problem?
[12:19] <juanej> it doesnt play
[12:19] <juanej> i downloaded it from synaptic
[12:19] <juanej> open it
[12:19] <pcharky> juanej: do you have arts installed?
[12:19] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: but the invoke-rc.d ssh start doesn't work
[12:20] <calamari> so if it crashes again it can't be because of slocate :)
[12:20] <juanej> let me see
[12:20] <crimsun> juanej: you need to install the 'amarok-gstreamer' package.
[12:20] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: *sigh* what does pgrep sshd return?
[12:20] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: only an id
[12:21] <BlueWeasel> I'm wanting to do a lightweight installation of ubuntu using the server installation and Gnome. Is there a particular package that will handle this?
[12:21] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: Then it's already running!!
[12:21] <Chaotic_Reality> hi all. i see that it's possible to play mp3s via a samba share using amaroK, but it doesn't appear to allow me select a whole directory in add to the collection, only individual files - is there a way to add a folder containing all my organized mp3s into the program?
[12:21] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: so it'll be running next time by default?
[12:21] <crimsun> BlueWeasel: erm, gnome is essentially what you get with the default Ubuntu installation...
[12:21] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: yup
[12:21] <juanej> when i try to install gstreamer: Depends: amarok (=2:1.2.3-1ubuntu4) but 2:1.2.4-0ubuntu1~5.04ubp2 is to be installed
[12:21] <BlueWeasel> I've read on the forums about "apt-get install unbuntu-desktop" and "apt-get install gnome"
[12:21] <Tarcastil> thoreauputic: alright, thanks. I'll just install the package without apt
[12:21] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: cool, thanks
[12:22] <pcharky> vladuz976: I told you it starts by default.
[12:22] <crimsun> juanej: the backports line is causing problems. Comment it out, refresh, and try installing 'amarok-gstreamer' again.
[12:22] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: I seem to recall saying about half an hour ago that it "starts by default"
[12:22] <samu> excuse me, could somebody tell me how to change the tab size in vim?
[12:22] <BlueWeasel> crimson: yes, but I don't want any of the default applications installed.
[12:22] <crimsun> BlueWeasel: how do you plan to use GNOME without any of the default applications?
[12:22] <calamari> delire: thanks for identiying my problem
[12:22] <juanej> nope
[12:22] <juanej> doesnt work
[12:23] <crimsun> juanej: you have to configure amarok to use gstreamer.
[12:23] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: very true
[12:23] <juanej> may i reinstall amarok?
[12:23] <BlueWeasel> I want to be able to install just the applications I want
[12:23] <crimsun> juanej: Preferences> Engines
[12:23] <levander> From what I'm reading, Linux supports Joliet. Anybody know if this is true?
[12:23] <juanej> but
[12:23] <calamari> I'm gonna get some stuff done .. as much as I love fooling around with this hehe
[12:23] <juanej> gstreamer is not installed
[12:23] <calamari> cya
[12:23] <crimsun> juanej: erm, are you in GNOME, KDE, or ...?
[12:23] <messju> levander: it is true
[12:23] <juanej> gnome
[12:24] <crimsun> juanej: and are you using esd?
[12:24] <juanej> aRTs i think
[12:24] <paccer> delire, still there?
[12:24] <Snippy> can someone help me please?
[12:24] <Snippy> when I use cedega, I installed steam, no probs, trying to install CS: Source and it shows the bar that it creates local game things.. and it seems to hang.. it does nothing..
[12:24] <Snippy> :(
[12:24] <crimsun> juanej: go to System> Preferences> Multimedia Systems Selector> Default Sink
[12:24] <levander> messju: so, if I don't care about permissions on the files that I'm about to burn to DVD, I don't have to worry that Nero doesn't support Rock Ridge?
[12:24] <crimsun> juanej: what does it use?
[12:24] <Pega> Now a question to thoreauputic and the other helpers: Why in hell are you doing this? You aren't getting paid at all, right? I mean... If I knew this stuff, I would certainly answer a few questions daily, but some of you seem to spend hours just to actively answer questions here. And in 4 days I haven't seen, not even once, the letters RTFM :S
[12:24] <crimsun> levander: that's correct.
[12:25] <levander> crimsun: great, thanks! thanks messju
[12:25] <juanej> ESD
[12:25] <equex> could i "mount" a .rar file in linux in anyway ?
[12:25] <gpd> damn... the cd won't eject to put in the next one... :(
[12:25] <thoreauputic> Pega: hahah - do you believe in altruism? *g*
[12:25] <pcharky> Pega: some people _LIKE_ helping other people.
[12:25] <delire> paccer: i really can't help much, i just don't work with any windows machines..
[12:25] <aru> Pega: we lost the manual, so this is all we have
[12:25] <juanej> crimsun: its ESD
[12:25] <delire> paccer: thus have no real use for samba. hmm
[12:25] <crimsun> juanej: so you ARE using esound, which means you need the 'amarok-gstreamer' package.
[12:25] <thoreauputic> Pega: helps us to stay in practice ;)
[12:25] <crimsun> juanej: you need to get rid of the backports line.
[12:25] <paccer> can anyone maby help me spot what is wrong with my samba? - http://paccer.dk/log.smbd
[12:25] <Pega> :)
[12:26] <juanej> i already comment it
[12:26] <crimsun> juanej: did you update?
[12:26] <juanej> yep
[12:26] <aru> !tell paccer about samba
[12:26] <ray_> does anybody know the command to run the gui version of mplayer from the term?
[12:26] <juanej> with the reload button
[12:26] <crimsun> juanej: apt-cache policy amarok-gstreamer
[12:26] <_SWAT_> Pega, how old are you and what do you do for a living (because of your remarks)
[12:26] <housetier> ray_ gmplayer
[12:26] <ray_> housetier, thank you so much
[12:26] <paccer> thank you aru - it doesnt help me tho
[12:26] <Pega> _SWAT_, 15 and I do... Nothing. Study mostly.
[12:27] <Chaotic_Reality> hi all. i see that it's possible to play mp3s via a samba share using amaroK, but it doesn't appear to allow me select a whole directory in add to the collection, only individual files - is there a way to add a folder containing all my organized mp3s into the program? anyone know?
[12:27] <_SWAT_> Pega, and sharing and helping eachother is GREAT or not? It's the OS-idea ;)
[12:27] <pcharky> Pega: Why are YOU doing thist, are YOU getting payed to be an ignorant **
[12:27] <aru> paccer: sorry about that
[12:27] <_SWAT_> Pega, thought so :P
[12:27] <juanej> crimsun: Installed: (none)
[12:27] <EasterSunshine> i lvoe helping ppl
[12:27] <EasterSunshine> even though i'm just idling
[12:27] <paccer> not a problem, aru :)
[12:27] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: it's running but i can't log in
[12:27] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: it just hangs
[12:27] <crimsun> juanej: and Candidate?
[12:28] <thoreauputic> Pega: from a self-interest viewpoint - if *I* have a problem I hope the community will help me too :)
[12:28] <delire> paccer: wow, a bit of a mess in there.
[12:28] <juanej> Candidate: 2:1.2.3-1ubuntu4
[12:28] <delire> thoreauputic: here hear
[12:28] <paccer> delire: yes - but something specific must cause it
[12:28] <crimsun> juanej: now what's the installed version of 'amarok'?
[12:28] <EasterSunshine> there should be more ppl like thoreauputic in the world
[12:28] <paccer> cant figure out what, tho
[12:28] <EasterSunshine> he is slowly changing the way i look at life
[12:28] <delire> paccer: /join #samba
[12:28] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: hmm - are you running a firewall?
[12:29] <delire> paccer: there are 80 people in there
[12:29] <paccer> delire - i will try.. thanks for your help
[12:29] <juanej> crimsun: 1.2.4
[12:29] <wikan> hi all
[12:29] <wikan> im newbie here
[12:29] <vladuz976> no
[12:29] <Chaotic_Reality> ok does anyone know if there is an extension for xmms that will queue up folders from a samba share? heh
[12:29] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: no
[12:29] <Chaotic_Reality> cuz i'd much rather use that instead
[12:29] <ray_> anyone use xfce?
[12:29] <juanej> may i unistall it and install with synaptic again?
[12:30] <pcharky> Chaotic_Reality: did you mount the shares?
[12:30] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: can you ssh localhost on the machine that is running the server ?
[12:30] <messju> ray_: yes, but not on my ubuntu machine :)
[12:30] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: thoreauputic yeah that works
[12:30] <vladuz976> but from my laptop it doesn't work
[12:30] <crimsun> juanej: there's your problem. You need to uninstall 'amarok' from backports, then install the version from hoary.
[12:30] <juanej> crimsun?
[12:30] <juanej> ahm mok
[12:30] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: also i have my friend try to log in and it doesn't work
[12:30] <Pega> Hmm. Too difficult to comprehend... Brains... Melting... I would understand a few questions but... Do you people ever get annoyed thinking "If he would read ubuntuguide he wouldnt ask that" or "if he searched forums for 5 minutes he would save a lot of trouble from both of us". :S
[12:30] <crimsun> juanej: then you can install 'amarok-gstreamer' from hoary, too.
[12:31] <Chaotic_Reality> pcharky, i can already see the share via samba, i don't think that's the problem. i can individually select mp3s inside of amarok, but iw ant to select the directory that contains all of my mp3s...doesn't seem to be able to do that
[12:31] <juanej> ok thx
[12:31] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: OK so the problem is ssh ing to the machine from outside, right? Which suggests the machine isn't allowing connections
[12:31] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: i guess so
[12:31] <pcharky> Chaotic_Reality: Yeah, but how did you connect to the samba-share?
[12:31] <Cody> in a shell script, is there anyway to specify the color of an echo?
[12:32] <samu> so, umm how to change tab size in vim or location of vims config file please?
[12:32] <pcharky> Chaotic_Reality: And can you select whole directories on the local filesystem.
[12:32] <Chaotic_Reality> pcharky, playlist->add media->browse to samba share. unless i'm not understanding what you're saying.
[12:32] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: any idea what i could try
[12:32] <Chaotic_Reality> pcharky, i don't want to do that. i want to select one directory off a samba share which contains 5000 mp3s. not select them all individually.
[12:32] <Chaotic_Reality> heh
[12:32] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: do you have any settings in /etc/hosts.allow or hosts.deny? Have you checked /etc/ssh/sshd_config or the other files in that dir?
[12:33] <delire> Pega: the idea is to help people help themselves. sometimes this does best start with documentation, but mostly use. largely people don't know where to start looking. a mix of reading and asking and then application is a fast road to practical awareness.
[12:33] <deltab> Cody: tput setaf 4; echo hello; tput setaf 9
[12:33] <pcharky> Chaotic_Reality: I understand that, but can you do so on the local filesystem.
[12:33] <paccer> delire: looks like its 80 idle people :)
[12:33] <delire> paccer: may be. ask your question and be prepared to wait for an hour..
[12:33] <juanej> crimsun: im having a problem with the default language...
[12:33] <juanej> ive been messing with /etc/environment
[12:33] <paccer> delire: yep - i am :)
[12:34] <delire> paccer: you think that's bad. try #mutt ;)
[12:34] <thoreauputic> EasterSunshine: just curious - in what way am I slowly changing the way you view things?
[12:34] <juanej> how do i fix that? i want the default english
[12:34] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: all commented out there
[12:34] <EasterSunshine> thoreauputic: its about how i use my time. i wanna spend more of my time helping others
[12:34] <deltab> Cody: add together 1 for red, 2 for green, 4 for blue; use 9 for the default; setaf for foreground, setab for background
[12:35] <kemik> EasterSunshine: so stay here and use the forums ;)
[12:35] <delire> paccer: some of those people had close to 6 months of uptime. i asked a question and it took *2 days*to be answered. around 15 lines had been posted in this entire period ;)
[12:35] <paccer> delire: heh.. im getting kinda impatient... need to go to work in 5 hours.. and i need to sleep before i go to work :) - so my patience isnt as good as it should :/
[12:35] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: I suggest you read those files with attention and consult the man to see if there are options you can enable
[12:35] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: ok
[12:35] <juanej> crimsun?
[12:35] <kemik> anyone here has experience with USB printers and cups ?
[12:35] <juanej> i cant install it with gstreamer
[12:35] <delire> paccer: well you can always look into it tomorrow. somehow, things became very messy. things may get worse if you rush..
[12:35] <crimsun> juanej: I have no idea what you did to /etc/environment
[12:35] <crimsun> juanej: did you remove 'amarok'?
[12:35] <thoreauputic> EasterSunshine: well, time is one thing I have a lot of so this seems like a useful way to use it :)
[12:36] <juanej> yep
[12:36] <juanej> but
[12:36] <juanej> then i reload synaptic
[12:36] <Chaotic_Reality> pcharky, i think i just got it. just pasted in the path to the samba share and it's adding them now.
[12:36] <delire> paccer: everything is ultimately fixable where text files and permissions are concerned ;)
[12:36] <juanej> and when i try to install it again it doesnt let me choose gstreamer
[12:36] <Snippy> can someone help me please?
[12:36] <Hoxzer> can somebody help me to get samba not to ask passwords when I try to browse files with windows machine?
[12:36] <Snippy> when I use cedega, I installed steam, no probs, trying to install CS: Source and it shows the bar that it creates local game things.. and it seems to hang.. it does nothing..
[12:36] <Snippy> :(
[12:36] <EasterSunshine> thoreauputic: its a lot better than my friends who literally spend over ten hours a day playing world of warcraft
[12:36] <crimsun> juanej: what version does it install?
[12:36] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: seems odd though - I don't recall having to do anything special to get ssh working
[12:37] <juanej> 1.2.3
[12:37] <_SWAT_> EasterSunshine, I even now a guy who stopped with his study for a few months just to play World Of Warcraft :-S
[12:37] <pcharky> Snippy: sorry, I can't help you.
[12:37] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: yes, last time i did that i dindn't have that trouble,
[12:37] <EasterSunshine> i konw a guy who dropped college to play wow
[12:37] <Snippy> too bad pcharky, but thanks for your answer
[12:37] <juanej> let me see i think i got it
[12:37] <pcharky> Snippy: did you run the installer from a terminal?
[12:37] <pcharky> Snippy: I can try though.
[12:38] <delire> it's late. night all
[12:38] <kemik> Snippy: what's troubling you?
[12:38] <EasterSunshine> cya delire
[12:38] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: see if someone can nmap you to see if port 22 or whatever is listening - netstat might help you too
[12:38] <Snippy> yes I did
[12:38] <Snippy> it just doesnt load CS: Source
[12:38] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: what is nmap
[12:38] <pcharky> Snippy: any errors on the terminal output?
[12:38] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: a portscanning program
[12:38] <Snippy> I click on it on the list, and a new menu comes.. it's loading the local game content.. but it does nothing
[12:38] <Snippy> no errors
[12:38] <Snippy> it just hangs then
[12:38] <juanej> hey crimsun how do i restore the default english for ubuntu?
[12:39] <afaik> heheheehhe http://data.4chan.org/b/src/1123451084917.jpg
[12:39] <Snippy> "hangs"
[12:39] <afaik> oh, no it's not spam btw
[12:39] <afaik> those idiots in gentoo banned me for posting the image claiming it was spam :(
[12:39] <pcharky> Snippy: Then i really can't help you.
[12:39] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: just sucks that it is now working when i need it
[12:40] <Snippy> okay.. thanks for trying tough
[12:40] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: maybe try restarting it - sudo /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[12:40] <Snippy> anyone know if Photoshop CS2 runs in CrossOffice Pro (newest version) ?
[12:41] <jasmuz> Snippy: have you checked their page?
[12:41] <thoreauputic> pcharky: please, keep your queries in channel
[12:41] <thoreauputic> pcharky: or at least ask first
[12:41] <Snippy> well, not entirely
[12:41] <pcharky> thomerz: sure, sorry.
[12:41] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: no nothing, "ssh username@ip" should do it right?
[12:42] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: should, yes
[12:42] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: when you restarted ssh did you see an "OK" or something?
[12:43] <jrattner1> Anyone ever use bluetooth in linux
[12:43] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: yes it says ok in green on the right
[12:43] <pcharky> jrattner1: yup
[12:43] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: OK well at least it's running
[12:43] <_SWAT_> vladuz976, read the man/help. It's "ssh -l <username> <ip>
[12:43] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: true
[12:43] <Chaotic_Reality> crap. i just removed the menu bar for amarok and can't figure out how to readd it to try and adjust the output device it uses. heh
[12:43] <jrattner1> pcharky, using what program'
[12:43] <vladuz976> _SWAT_: that command does the same. alreadytried
[12:44] <pcharky> jrattner1: depends on the application? I only used file-transfer with my mobile-phone.
[12:44] <jrattner1> im trying to connect my mobile phone to
[12:44] <MartenH> why are there often only old version avaliable in synaptic?
[12:44] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: see if there is anything weird in /etc/default/ssh
[12:45] <thoreauputic> like a line blocking outside connections
[12:45] <pcharky> jrattner1: What do you want to do with the connection?
[12:45] <jrattner1> download ring tones
[12:46] <pcharky> jrattner1: check out obexftp, it's primitive, but effective.
[12:46] <thoreauputic> MartenH: because Ubuntu freezes every 6 months
[12:46] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: looks ok in there
[12:46] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: sorry, running out of ideas here...
[12:46] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: cool thanks anyways
[12:46] <thoreauputic> :)
[12:47] <thoreauputic> good luck
[12:47] <jrattner1> cool
[12:47] <Chaotic_Reality> is there any other way to configure the sound system inside of amarok other than the engine area? the only thing listed there is aRts and it doesn't play my music.
[12:47] <thoreauputic> gotta go - see you all later :)
[12:47] <jrattner1> pcharky, what if i want to sync the calendar from my phone to my laptop
[12:47] <pcharky> jrattner1: I think evolution supports tahat, though i never tried.
[12:48] <jrattner1> my phone uses mircrosoft mobile 2003
[12:48] <vladuz976> anybody else here know much about ssh?
[12:49] <pfp> hey, do you know any video player that would support vobsubs? or a method to convert them into .srt...
[12:50] <deltab> mplayer does
[12:50] <pfp> oh, nice
[12:51] <pcharky> jrattner1: I'm afraid someone else will have to help you further, I'm off to bed.
[12:51] <tony> hi
[12:51] <Pega> hi
[12:51] <tony> anybody know mount the floppy
[12:51] <Snippy> gpd, can I pm you please?
[12:51] <tony> ?
[12:51] <som1> er.. ubuntu thinks i have half of my ram
[12:52] <tony> where are you from?
[12:52] <tony> pega
[12:52] <som1> wild guess, .fi = finland
[12:52] <som1> ..
[12:52] <crimsun> som1: and how much RAM do you have?
[12:52] <som1> 512
[12:52] <frequency> som1: is your second RAM stick pushed firmly into the socket?
[12:52] <Draucon> q time
[12:52] <som1> i got one ram stick
[12:52] <Pega> tony, Finland. This nick has nothing to do with my real name, if that is what you think about.
[12:52] <Snippy> gpd, can I pm you please?
[12:53] <tony> what is gpd?
[12:53] <codecaine> anyone know what command displays groups that a user belongs too?
[12:53] <Snippy> a guy namend like that?
[12:53] <tony> i don't andeestant
[12:53] <pfp> codecaine: 'id username'
[12:53] <crimsun> som1: free -m |grep '+'|awk '{ print $4 }'
[12:53] <robotgeek> codecaine: groups
[12:53] <codecaine> thx
[12:53] <som1> oh yeah i confused. never mind
[12:53] <som1> this freaks me out. im going to kill someone.
[12:54] <frequency> what?
[12:54] <tony> i use ubuntu in may amd64 3200+ 1g ram
[12:54] <ray_> anybody know anyhting about xfce
[12:54] <tony> and
[12:54] <crimsun> ray_: what do you need?
[12:54] <tony> i can't mount the floppy
[12:54] <ray_> crimsun, are there repos for 4.2.2?
[12:54] <crimsun> ray_: in Breezy, yes.
[12:55] <crimsun> ray_: they'll be built for hoary-backports automagically
[12:55] <ray_> crimsun, ummm what?....they are in backports?
[12:55] <crimsun> ray_: you'll have to check. I don't use backports.
[12:55] <aru> does installing fluxbox or enlightenment screw anything up like KDE does?
[12:55] <aru> menu wise, that is
[12:56] <ray_> ok
[12:56] <crimsun> aru: no, it's all orthogonal.
[12:56] <tony> anybody known mount the floppy
[12:56] <tony> plaese im from argentina
[12:56] <Chaotic_Reality> what does that have to do with mounting your floppy?
[12:57] <aru> crimsun: thanks
[12:57] <frequency> because Argentine floppy drives work differently :-P
[12:57] <Chaotic_Reality> heh
[12:57] <Hoxzer> how can I know the username/password what I need to login linux machine shares?
[12:57] <aru> heh
[12:57] <tony> it say (mount: no se puede encontrar /mnt/floppy en /etc/fstab o /etc/mtab
[12:57] <tony> )
[12:57] <flodine> crimsun is it hard to update libc 20 files
[12:57] <frequency> tony: look at /etc/fstab
[12:57] <frequency> better yet
[12:58] <tony> and
[12:58] <frequency> show me the results of grep fd0 /etc/fstab
[12:58] <tony> /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 vfat rw,user,noauto 0 0 0 0
[12:58] <ifr> Muchos firestarter problems. I cannot get it to respect policies I set. I told it to allow all incoming from my ssh server on my home network, and yet it persists in blocking them. I can get through if I turn firestarter off, but if it's on it blocks everything.
[12:58] <duncanm> hola
[12:58] <frequency> ahha
[12:59] <skalpel> is there anyway to tag my mp3 files so they appear uniformly in my music player?
[12:59] <duncanm> where can i get the latest gtkpod as a package?
[12:59] <frequency> then try mount /media/floppy0
[12:59] <tony> it say mount: /dev/fd0 no es un dispositivo de bloques vlido
[12:59] <frequency> hmm..
[12:59] <codecaine> anyone using cisco vpn client?
[01:00] <crimsun> flodine: you shouldn't be upgrading 20 libc files anyway.
[01:00] <frequency> may not actually have a vfat filesystem
[01:00] <crimsun> flodine: particularly not by HAND
[01:00] <ifr> Anyone on firestarter?
[01:00] <tony> ok how install it?
[01:00] <flodine> crimsun im not
[01:00] <frequency> tony: does it work with other floppies?
[01:01] <Madpilot> ifr: I run firestarter
[01:01] <philips> codecaine: I have in the past
[01:01] <tony> no only one and dvd but dvd work ok it automatic mount when i start ubunut
[01:01] <flodine> crimsun i want to install wmii but he said just compile it but wont it still need the newer file
[01:01] <ifr> Madpilot, thanks. I'm having policy troubles -I allow a IP and firestarter still blocks.
[01:01] <ifr> Any ideas?
[01:01] <frequency> right
[01:02] <codecaine> philips, it seems to connect to my firewalls, but i don't see any routes that it has made?
[01:02] <codecaine> did yours show routes?
[01:02] <frequency> try this, open /etc/fstab in your favorite text editor (as root) and replacing "vfat" with "autofs" on that line
[01:02] <Madpilot> ifr: hmmm... I just scrolled up and saw your SSH Server post - sorry, I haven't had any trouble with Firestarter & don't run an ssh server
[01:02] <philips> codecaine: yes
[01:02] <ifr> Righto.
[01:03] <crimsun> flodine: huh? it requires what to compile?
[01:03] <philips> codecaine: I inserted the module, and ran the vpn control software and it worked fine after that
[01:03] <tony> ok and now?
[01:03] <frequency> pruebalo otra vez
[01:04] <tony> sabes castellano?
[01:04] <skalpel> can someone tell me how to tag all my music files at once so they show up uniformly in my music player?
[01:04] <codecaine> philips, which module?
[01:04] <philips> codecaine: the kernle module
[01:04] <codecaine> philips, vpnclient_init is all i startup in /etc/init.d
[01:04] <frequency> tony: un poquito..
[01:05] <tony> root@pirri:/home/tony # mount /media/floppy
[01:05] <tony> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/fd0,
[01:05] <tony> missing codepage or other error
[01:05] <tony> In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[01:05] <tony> dmesg | tail or so
[01:05] <frequency> it's /media/floppy0, not /media/floppy
[01:05] <erisco> i am using wine, and i was wondering if you MUST install the windows program, or can you just copy the files into your fake windows partition?
[01:06] <erisco> I copied the files into the fake partition, and it doesn't work. I am thinking wine doesn't support it
[01:06] <cafuego_> erisco: you MUST install; normally applications place files all over the place.
[01:06] <EasterSunshine> theres a lot of things in the registry you would have to take care of
[01:06] <tony> root@pirri:/home/tony # mount /media/floppy0
[01:06] <tony> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/fd0,
[01:06] <tony> missing codepage or other error
[01:06] <tony> In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[01:06] <tony> dmesg | tail or so
[01:06] <EasterSunshine> erisco: when you install something on windows, more changes are made than just putting files into the install directory
[01:07] <tony> the same
[01:07] <frequency> hmmm
[01:07] <cafuego_> tony: Please do paste multi-lines into the channel.
[01:07] <musashi> skalpel try amarok, it has tag editor and lots more
[01:07] <cafuego_> Eh
[01:07] <duncanm> hmm
[01:07] <tony> ok sorry
[01:07] <tony> i don't know
[01:07] <Chaotic_Reality> cafuego, he did do that. :)
[01:07] <cafuego_> tony: That was supposed to day "don't" :-)
[01:07] <duncanm> so i installed the debian gtkpod on my hoary box
[01:07] <kemik> erisco: it depends on the applications... but generally it's not enough to just copy the installed folder
[01:08] <duncanm> and now i see: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[01:08] <duncanm> gtkpod: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[01:08] <duncanm> Depends: libxml2 (>= 2.6.20) but 2.6.17-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[01:08] <duncanm> gtkpod-aac: Conflicts: gtkpod but 0.94.0-1 is to be installed
[01:08] <kemik> tony: use the paste url in topic
[01:08] <pfp> bleh, mplayer seems to be as slow on the k7 as it was on the g3....
[01:08] <pfp> ahem, anyone know of a *sane* vid player with vosbsub support?
[01:08] <kemik> duncanm: dont paste in channel, use the pastebin in topic
[01:08] <EasterSunshine> tony: i think you can paste multilines in #flood
[01:08] <kemik> !pastebin
[01:08] <ubotu> well, pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[01:08] <Chaotic_Reality> yep
[01:08] <_admin> Hi, can somebody please help me get unRar?
[01:08] <Keegan> when I type "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper" it returns "FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted"
[01:08] <Chaotic_Reality> sudo apt-get install unrar
[01:08] <Chaotic_Reality> :o
[01:09] <ifr> Anyone want to venture a guess as to why SSH would be coming on on port 33102?
[01:09] <kemik> _admin: sudo apt-get install unrar-nonfree
[01:09] <Keegan> anybody got any suggestions?
[01:09] <tony> www.rpmseek.com here is the unrar
[01:09] <kemik> Edddie: unrar-nonfree is what you're looking for
[01:09] <Edddie> kemik: thats the problem, it always tells me it's not there
[01:10] <Edddie> I heard I have to uncomment/add some resps?
[01:10] <kemik> Edddie: universe
[01:10] <kemik> !repositories
[01:10] <ubotu> [repositories] at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:10] <Edddie> thanks
[01:10] <tony> and frecu
[01:10] <Edddie> where is it by the way kemik ?
[01:10] <tony> and frequency what i do?
[01:10] <pfp> Edddie: there's rar in multiverse
[01:10] <kemik> Edddie: where is what ?
[01:11] <kemik> Edddie: follow the link ubotu posted
[01:11] <Edddie> the file where the lines I need to uncomment
[01:11] <Edddie> kl
[01:11] <frequency> tony: do you use AIM?
[01:11] <tony> what is?
[01:11] <Keegan> when I type "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper" it returns "FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted" The folks at ndiswrapper are no help at all. Any suggestions?
[01:11] <tony> i don't know
[01:11] <frequency> nevermind..
[01:12] <EasterSunshine> tony: aol instant messenger
[01:12] <Keegan> u can use aol on gaim
[01:12] <EasterSunshine> its like one on one irc...if that helps
[01:12] <tony> no i use gaim
[01:12] <frequency> oh, same thing
[01:12] <kemik> gaim has AIM / MSN / ICQ support
[01:12] <tony> ok
[01:12] <kemik> gaim is not a protocol in itself..
[01:12] <Keegan> yea, but it accepts almost all protocols
[01:12] <EasterSunshine> gaim is a mutliprotocol instant messenging client
[01:13] <EasterSunshine> and its awesome at that
[01:13] <kemik> well it lacks some features
[01:13] <Keegan> join /#ndiswrapper
[01:13] <EasterSunshine> i am coding an aim client atm
[01:13] <kemik> filetransfers
[01:13] <Hoxzer> somebody here has got samba shares working from windows to linux?
[01:13] <juanej> crimsun: are u there?
[01:13] <EasterSunshine> gaim is not easily scriptable
[01:14] <kemik> EasterSunshine: do you use Glade ?
[01:14] <frequency> tony: did you change that line in /etc/fstab?
[01:14] <tony> yes
[01:14] <crimsun> juanej: yes?
[01:14] <frequency> okay, can you show me that one line?
[01:14] <tony> and put thereautofs
[01:14] <EasterSunshine> kemik: nope, dunno what it is, but i assume a scriptable aim client?
[01:15] <tony> /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 autofs rw,user,noauto 0
[01:15] <juanej> i installed
[01:15] <juanej> with the gstream
[01:15] <tony> sorry
[01:15] <kemik> EasterSunshine: no, it's a frontend to GTK to create your GUI in
[01:15] <juanej> but the song try to start
[01:15] <juanej> and then it finishes
[01:15] <kemik> EasterSunshine: i assumed you were coding in C/C++, i guess you're not
[01:15] <EasterSunshine> kemik: i use gtk's c interface
[01:16] <crimsun> juanej: did you adjust the Engine preference in Amarok?
[01:16] <juanej> yep
[01:16] <juanej> oss
[01:16] <juanej> then alsa
[01:16] <kemik> EasterSunshine: ok.. i've been having alot of trouble trying to get GTKMM and libglademm to work...
[01:16] <Edddie> kemik: I added the resperitory but it's not there
[01:16] <juanej> and esd
[01:16] <kemik> Edddie: did you update?
[01:17] <EasterSunshine> kemik: sry, i've never used it i'm not the person to ask for help
[01:17] <Edddie> ya
[01:17] <tony> how is the comand to send the mensage only you
[01:17] <crimsun> juanej: you should set it to esdsink if you're using esd
[01:17] <juanej> i did
[01:17] <kemik> Edddie: it may be in backports...
[01:17] <frequency> tony: /msg frequency <message>
[01:17] <Edddie> backports?
[01:18] <kemik> !backports
[01:18] <ubotu> methinks backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[01:18] <kemik> add that to your sources.lit
[01:18] <kemik> list
[01:18] <Geoffrian> Does anyone here use the Gnome PPP program??? I need some help getting it to run.
[01:18] <kaffeend> Hey everyone... I was hoping someone might be able to help me out here. I'm trying to run games and so far have had 0% success even with the Linux games I've downloaded like Enemy Territory. I tried reinstalling Windows on my NTFS partition, but setup says it's detecting system hardware but leaves the screen blank indefinately. I don't know what to do here... Can anyone please help me?
[01:18] <poonj> hey guys, how do I enable the use of universe packages?
[01:19] <X7C> it's cs time!
[01:19] <kemik> EasterSunshine: but you're coding the entire GUI, not using a tool to make the gui then parse a xml file ?
[01:19] <crimsun> !addingrepositorieshowto
[01:19] <ubotu> crimsun: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[01:19] <diego> do you know? where i coul downlaod good games?
[01:19] <kemik> !repositories
[01:19] <ubotu> I heard repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:19] <Hazuki> Um...is there anything like Gentoo's make.conf in Ubuntu?
[01:19] <crimsun> Hazuki: $package/debian/rules
[01:19] <kemik> poonj: follow that link
[01:19] <EasterSunshine> kemik: nope. thats a bit advanced for me
[01:19] <Geoffrian> No one here can help me with GNOME PPP???
[01:19] <poonj> thanks kemik
[01:20] <crimsun> Geoffrian: that's a very broad topic (gnome ppp)
[01:20] <Keegan> can anyone here help me with ndiswrapper?
[01:20] <EasterSunshine> kemik: i'm not using anything more than kate, gnu make, and gcc
[01:20] <Geoffrian> Its a program I downloaded from Ubuntu called GNOME PPP. I can get online through my typical means but this can not detect my modem.
[01:20] <erisco> is there any way to get around not having the install file for a program?
[01:20] <Hazuki> Crimsun: what's that, a package to install?
[01:20] <Snippy> I'm totally noob.. how can I run .deb files?
[01:21] <erisco> i have the program files, is there any way i can go from there?
[01:21] <crimsun> Hazuki: it's a package to compile. It doesn't make sense to speak of make.conf without compiling.
[01:21] <Geoffrian> sudo dpkg -i <file>
[01:21] <enyc> snip: they install using 'dpkg' but generlaly you dont want/ened to be detaling with individual debs ;-)
[01:21] <Hazuki> well...I need to find make.conf first x_x To edit it
[01:21] <enyc> snip: deb is a "package" file
[01:21] <kaffeend> Hey everyone... I was hoping someone might be able to help me out here. I'm trying to run games and so far have had 0% success even with the Linux games I've downloaded like Enemy Territory. I tried reinstalling Windows on my NTFS partition, but setup says it's detecting system hardware but leaves the screen blank indefinately. I don't know what to do here... Can anyone please help me?
[01:21] <kemik> EasterSunshine: i see.. well i've been having trouble with glade so i'm thinking i'll just hardcode the gui for now and see if i'll bother with the glade-method ;)
[01:21] <enyc> snip: generally, isntall stuff using apt-get or synamtic to get debs, dont move them about manually
[01:22] <Snippy> yeah I know
[01:22] <ray_> kaffeend, what was the error when you tried enemy-territory?
[01:22] <Snippy> I downloaded a bittorrent client on the official bittorrent page
[01:22] <Snippy> now I want to install it
[01:22] <Snippy> how to ?
[01:22] <EasterSunshine> sry you guys are distracting me from schoolwork! lol...i'll bbl
[01:22] <benkong2> could someone tell me how to see what port samba is running on I did a ps aux |grep -E'(smbd|nmbd)' but did not get a port number
[01:22] <kemik> kaffeend: if you install Windows after linux , grub will be overwritten and your in a lot of trouble (it is fixable though, but still messy)
[01:23] <kaffeend> ray_ no error perse
[01:23] <kaffeend> kemik - okay thanks
[01:23] <kemik> benkong2: google will tell you, or perhaps netstat
[01:23] <kaffeend> ray_ I can install it but can't run it
[01:23] <benkong2> kemik; thanks
[01:24] <kaffeend> ray_ it's to do with nvidia.glx I believe
[01:24] <moshe> is there an ubuntu transcode package anywhere in the wild?
[01:24] <ray_> kaffeend, did you install your video drivers
[01:24] <Snippy> anyone tested Maya 7 unlimited on linux?
[01:24] <kaffeend> ray_ I am running a 64 bit system
[01:24] <kaffeend> ray_ yup
[01:24] <ray_> kaffeend, what happens when you run glxgears
[01:24] <enyc> mosh: what do you mean by 'transcode package' exactly?
[01:25] <glick> baidu rules!
[01:25] <moshe> a .deb for hoary of transcode
[01:25] <glick> baidu.com
[01:25] <kaffeend> glxgears... hmmm...
[01:25] <glick> chinese search engine
[01:25] <ray_> kaffeend, from term
[01:25] <kaffeend> ray_ nice little applet with pretty gears moving :)
[01:26] <cafuego_> Just run 'nvidia-glx-config' to enable it in xorg.conf
[01:26] <ray_> kaffeend, you might not have it set right in x
[01:26] <cafuego_> Note that glxgears is missing in breezy
[01:26] <dazjorz> hello again
[01:27] <kaffeend> ray_ there's a known bug with nvidia.glx
[01:27] <ray_> kaffeend, yeah but others with nvidia play ET
[01:27] <moshe> is ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net anything reliable?
[01:27] <benkong2> what package is nmap in?
[01:28] <kaffeend> but are they on 64 bit systems ray_?
[01:28] <cafuego_> benkong2: nmap
[01:28] <ray_> kaffeend, yeah good point
[01:28] <kaffeend> anyway the bug report is here https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5646
[01:28] <benkong2> cafuego; thanks sorry I looked and its in synaptic..
[01:28] <cafuego_> I expect you'd need to run ET in a 32bit chroot.
[01:29] <kaffeend> not my bug report, but I have exactly the same problem
[01:29] <Snippy> hey cafuego
[01:29] <Snippy> how are you ?
[01:29] <glick> i wish baidu had english translations
[01:29] <kaffeend> ray_ I believe even the ATI people using 64bit have this problem too :(
[01:30] <ray_> kaffeend, that sucks....i love enemy-territory
[01:30] <kaffeend> cafuego_ sorry I didn't even realize you were talking to me there :s
[01:31] <kaffeend> ray_ damn... I wanna play TrueCombat Elite
[01:31] <logical_mark> hey guys. is it easy to switch from gnome to KDE on ubuntu?
[01:31] <Chaotic_Reality> yes
[01:31] <ray_> kaffeend, is that free?
[01:31] <Chaotic_Reality> sudo apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[01:31] <kaffeend> yes logical_mark
[01:31] <kaffeend> ray_ sure is
[01:31] <cafuego_> logical_mark: Yes. install "kubuntu-dekstop", logout, choose KDE on login.
[01:31] <ray_> kaffeend, where do i get it!!!!!!!!!!!!
[01:31] <kaffeend> ray_ and it looks fantastic too
[01:31] <kaffeend> 1 sec
[01:32] <logical_mark> cafuego, I shouldnt install KDE from SPM?
[01:32] <Scythe> need some help, windows help, but i cant seem to find anyone with some knowlege
[01:32] <samu> im thinking about reformatting my laptops HD and putting ubuntu on that one too
[01:32] <samu> but i have trouble leaving itunes
[01:32] <hubsi> does someone know a good tv program besides xawv
[01:32] <samu> can you access the itunes podcasts from some ubuntu program?
[01:32] <cafuego_> logical_mark: Whatever would give you that idea?
[01:32] <kaffeend> someone was helping me with this yesterday but they managed to get it working and I haven't heard from them since!
[01:32] <Scythe> can you run itunes from xine?
[01:33] <logical_mark> cafuego, I am new to linux and ubuntu so I take it I am WAY off
[01:33] <logical_mark> thanks for the help
[01:33] <kaffeend> ray_ here you go bud http://www.truecombat.com/intro.php?x=d
[01:33] <cafuego_> logical_mark: Start Synaptic, find kubuntu-desktop; right clikc to mark for install, click Apply.
[01:33] <logical_mark> yeah yeah I am
[01:33] <ray_> kaffeend, thanks
[01:33] <kaffeend> ray_ np
[01:34] <logical_mark> cafuego_, so is there a special version of kde for ubuntu? Is that why I am not finding KDE with Synaptic?
[01:34] <kaffeend> ray_ I don't even want to play ET... I just need it to play TC Elite :(
[01:34] <cafuego_> logical_mark: Did you enable "universe" and "multiverse" repositories?
[01:35] <ray_> kaffeend, the graphics look great
[01:35] <crimsun> logical_mark: kubuntu-desktop
[01:35] <ray_> kaffeend, i have ET installed so is there anything special i have to do?
[01:35] <kaffeend> ray_ I know... very realistic
[01:35] <juanej> crimsun: it didnt work
[01:35] <kaffeend> ray_ no I don't think so mate
[01:36] <juanej> i try with any song
[01:36] <Snippy> anyone tested Maya 7 unlimited on linux?
[01:36] <Snippy> anyone tested Maya 7 unlimited on linux?
[01:36] <Snippy> sorry
[01:36] <juanej> "some urls were not suitable for the playlist"
[01:36] <kaffeend> ray_ maybe just install it in the same dir as ET?
[01:36] <BlueWeasel> crimsun: would using ubuntu-desktop basically install gnome w/o the 3rd party applications?
[01:36] <Keegan> what is the path to the ubuntu equivalent of my documents?
[01:36] <ray_> kaffeend, ok
[01:36] <crimsun> juanej: does it play any wav files in /usr/share/sounds/ ?
[01:36] <tiglionabbit> I want to use grub instead of lilo. When I say "grub-install" it says "/dev/mapper/spiny-ubuntu does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.". Then when I reboot it still uses lilo. What should I do?
[01:36] <ids> :p
[01:36] <crimsun> BlueWeasel: it installs what Ubuntu installs.
[01:36] <logical_mark> cafuego_, yeah I have enabled them
[01:37] <tiglionabbit> my computer's name is spiny, btw
[01:37] <juanej> letme see
[01:37] <cafuego_> logical_mark: kubuntu-desktop is is, then. That's just a meta-package which pulls in all additional kde crap.
[01:37] <tiglionabbit> !info kubuntu-desktop
[01:37] <ubotu> kubuntu-desktop: (Kubuntu desktop system), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.40 (hoary), Packaged size: 3 kB, Installed size: 32 kB
[01:37] <ids> Is there any way to do a floppy (following onto downloading from ftp server) of ubuntu? I have an old laptop without a CD rom drive?
[01:38] <juanej> crimsun: yes
[01:38] <tiglionabbit> can someone help me?
[01:38] <crimsun> juanej: do you have gstreamer0.8-mad installed?
[01:38] <EasterSunshine> how long a registered channel on this server expires, with no one ever having been in it, especailly not the owner?
[01:38] <kaffeend> okay, I have /home/me/Desktop/tcetest_0209_full.zip and I don't know what to do with it... Can someone help please?
[01:39] <crimsun> EasterSunshine: ~60 days, but ask in #freenode
[01:39] <EasterSunshine> thx crimsun
[01:39] <EasterSunshine> sry, i'm new on this server
[01:39] <Edddie> hi, can someone give me the full URI line for multiverse?
[01:40] <Hoxzer> LOL!
[01:40] <Hoxzer> I got it working >_<
[01:40] <Hoxzer> I must be good
[01:40] <ifr> Would anyone happen to know why SSH would come in on port 32951 and 33102/33103?
[01:40] <crimsun> ifr: that's natural.
[01:40] <tiglionabbit> Edddie: same as universe, just add the word "multiverse" to the end of the line
[01:40] <ifr> crimsun, yes? Because Firestarter hates it.
[01:40] <crimsun> ifr: the connecting side normally uses ephemeral ports.
[01:41] <Edddie> ty tiglionabbit
[01:41] <tiglionabbit> Edddie: you can make it the same line even
[01:41] <ifr> crimsun, the client side?
[01:41] <ChurcH_of_Foamy> anyone know a good bittorrent website?
[01:41] <crimsun> ifr: correct, the client side.
[01:41] <logical_mark> does anyone know what port ubuntu remote desktop uses so I can forward it on my router
[01:41] <ifr> okay, I wonder why firestarter is acting as if it's unheard of.
[01:42] <logical_mark> ChurcH_of_Foamy, I use torrentreactor.net
[01:42] <juanej> crimsun: i installed it but still without working
[01:43] <logical_mark> anyone at all know how to setup the remote desktop for access FROM the internet?
[01:44] <crimsun> juanej: what are you trying to play?
[01:44] <juanej> mp3s
[01:44] <juanej> on xmms they work
[01:44] <Zalbor> Hello, does anyone know how I can make my modem initialize with ATX3? I'm using the live edition.
[01:45] <Zalbor> I need to have "wait for dial tone" disabled
[01:45] <tiglionabbit> juanej: xmms has special handling for mp3s. Install gstreamer0.8-mad and libmad and your other players will understand them
[01:45] <tiglionabbit> !info libmad
[01:45] <tiglionabbit> oops, that's not the name of it
[01:46] <tiglionabbit> it's in the wiki somewhere though, under restricted
[01:46] <avanspronsen> !mp3
[01:46] <ubotu> well, mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[01:46] <tiglionabbit> !restricted
[01:46] <ubotu> I heard restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:46] <juanej> thx
[01:48] <juanej> it works now
[01:48] <juanej> thank u crimsun and tiglionabbit
[01:48] <tiglionabbit> you're welcome
[01:49] <ChurcH_of_Foamy> www.illwillpress.com/cartoons
[01:49] <ChurcH_of_Foamy> sorry have to plug it ^_^
[01:50] <gpd> ChurcH_of_Foamy: 404
[01:50] <Zalbor> Does anyone know how I can make my modem initialize with ATX3? I'm using Ubuntu Live.
[01:51] <adman> hello, how do you install downloaded apps
[01:51] <gpd> adman: extension?
[01:51] <SudoPus> I am trying to compile libdvdcss and it says it can't find a valid c compile in the path... how do I set gcc into my path permanently?
[01:52] <adman> gpd: bin
[01:52] <MrThou> While trying to install, when it hits my USB Keyboard/Hub, it just stops. Anyway I can bypass that? Other then using another keyboard?
[01:52] <HrdwrBoB> SudoPus: don't compile it
[01:52] <gpd> adman: java?
[01:52] <adman> yes
[01:52] <gpd> !java
[01:52] <SudoPus> HrdwrBob: Better suggestion then?
[01:52] <gpd> ubotu: tell adman about java
[01:53] <HrdwrBoB> SudoPus: it's packaged in hoary-extras I believe
[01:53] <gpd> HrdwrBoB: that one isn't quite the latest iirc - the newer one worked better 4 me
[01:54] <HrdwrBoB> gpd: worked better?
[01:54] <HrdwrBoB> how 'better'?
[01:54] <SudoPus> HrdwrBoB: Ok...so I am assuming that hoary-extras isn't in the default install of ubunut/kubuntu?
[01:54] <gpd> HrdwrBoB: didn't crash!
[01:54] <HrdwrBoB> gpd: if you're referring to mplayer
[01:54] <HrdwrBoB> that was a problem with mplayer
[01:54] <HrdwrBoB> and AC3 support
[01:54] <younes> hello
[01:54] <gpd> HrdwrBoB: no... any player - totem, xine, vlc,
[01:54] <Zalbor> Does anyone know how I can make my modem initialize with ATX3? I'm using Ubuntu Live.
[01:55] <HrdwrBoB> gpd: hm ok
[01:55] <gpd> HrdwrBoB: 1.2.9 seems much more stable (on my system at least)
[01:55] <gpd> http://download.videolan.org/pub/libdvdcss/1.2.9/deb/
[01:55] <ChurcH_of_Foamy> is there something wrong with bittorrent?
[01:55] <ChurcH_of_Foamy> i keep getting error 111
[01:55] <HrdwrBoB> ChurcH_of_Foamy: er could you be a bit more specific
[01:56] <ChurcH_of_Foamy> i keep getting a "urlopen error (111,connection refused)
[01:56] <Hoxzer> how do I allow samba server user to edit files in the server?
[01:56] <kaffeend> I've unzipped the folder for ct:elite and not sure what to do now - can anyone help me please?
[01:56] <benplaut> !hello
[01:56] <ubotu> benplaut: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[01:56] <gpd> ChurcH_of_Foamy: that is a problem with the .torrent...
[01:56] <ChurcH_of_Foamy> ok
[01:57] <HrdwrBoB> ChurcH_of_Foamy: the connection refused message means that the connection was refused.
[01:57] <SudoPus> HrdwrBoB: Thanks got the link to the .deb file...
[01:57] <HrdwrBoB> SudoPus: cool
[01:57] <cafuego_> ChurcH_of_Foamy: Connections are normally refuses by kernels when nothing listens on said port or the firewall sends a REJECT
[01:57] <gpd> http://www.frankscorner.org/ <-- good pages for wine
[01:58] <ChurcH_of_Foamy> ahh there we go ^_^
[01:59] <tony> i can't moun the floppy
[01:59] <tony> i need help
[02:00] <ChurcH_of_Foamy> you know tony i have the same problem >.<
[02:00] <ChurcH_of_Foamy> that's when i decided that floppys where outdated and archaic
[02:00] <benplaut> mine works :P
[02:00] <ChurcH_of_Foamy> and removed mine
[02:00] <benplaut> !ops
[02:00] <ChurcH_of_Foamy> lol
[02:00] <ubotu> Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, fooishbar, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmich, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia!
[02:01] <Zalbor> Does anyone know how I can make my modem initialize with ATX3? I'm using Ubuntu Live.
[02:01] <SudoPus> HrdweBoB: How do I go about finding out the path to add to /etc/apt/sources.list to add hoary-extras?
[02:01] <Amaranth> Yes?
[02:01] <SudoPus> Sorry bout that HrdwrBob
[02:01] <benplaut> DVSoftware, above
[02:01] <benplaut> Amaranth^^
[02:01] <DVSoftware> oops
[02:01] <HrdwrBoB> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingMultimediaRepositories
[02:02] <DVSoftware> that was message in serbian
[02:02] <SudoPus> HrdwrBoB: Kewl..thanks
[02:02] <benplaut> woops
[02:02] <DVSoftware> wanted to display it on another server
[02:02] <DVSoftware> sry
[02:02] <benplaut> sorry... looked like some warez message...
[02:02] <Amaranth> benplaut: Next time please ask him to use English, then call me if he doesn't listen. :)
[02:02] <benplaut> k, sorry
[02:02] <gpd> tony: try mount /media/floppy
[02:03] <benplaut> man, you guys are fast :P
[02:03] <kaffeend> can anyone please tell me how to install a program I have downloaded to the desktop please?
[02:03] <benplaut> kaffeend: a program not in the repos?
[02:03] <DVSoftware> i said that i'm going to put some files to download list and go to sleep
[02:03] <Amaranth> benplaut: !ops makes my computer beep at me
[02:03] <ChurcH_of_Foamy> i had a dream last night that gates was using Linux >.< and an ipod O_o
[02:03] <benplaut> ah
[02:03] <kaffeend> benplaut that's right
[02:03] <Snippy> how can I run .rpm files under ubuntu ?
[02:03] <Amaranth> Snippy: alien
[02:03] <kaffeend> benplaut it's a game
[02:03] <benplaut> kaffeend: is it a deb?
[02:03] <Amaranth> Snippy: sudo alien foo.rpm
[02:03] <Amaranth> Snippy: and it makes a .deb
[02:04] <DVSoftware> good nite ppl
[02:04] <kaffeend> benplaut it's a bunch of files
[02:04] <Snippy> Amarants, is this possible with EVERY .rpm ?
[02:04] <Zalbor> Does anyone know how I can make my modem initialize with ATX3? I'm using Ubuntu Live.
[02:04] <benplaut> kaffeend: to be compiled?
[02:04] <Snippy> Amaranth, is this possible with EVERY .rpm ?
[02:04] <benplaut> Snippy: not all
[02:04] <Snippy> hm
[02:04] <kaffeend> benplaut there's no .deb file that I can see,
[02:04] <Amaranth> Snippy: I would not try it unless you can't get the program any other way.
[02:05] <benplaut> kaffeend: what was it before you extracted it?
[02:05] <kaffeend> benplaut a .zip
[02:05] <Amaranth> Snippy: It's always better to get a deb and almost always better to compile from source and use checkinstall to make a deb if one isn't available.
[02:05] <Snippy> Amaranth, I cant get it as another package.. :(
[02:05] <avanspronsen> Snippy: it doesn't guarantee you will have the right dependencies
[02:05] <kaffeend> benplaut I haven't extracted it yet
[02:05] <benplaut> kaffeend: can you give me a link? that's kinda weirf
[02:05] <benplaut> *weird
[02:06] <kaffeend> benplaut /home/me/Desktop/tcetest_0209_full.zip
[02:06] <benplaut> no...
[02:06] <benplaut> oh
[02:06] <benplaut> tcetest
[02:07] <Snippy> hm well, is there a possibility to install RPM Packet Manager ?
[02:07] <kaffeend> benplaut yep
[02:07] <benplaut> Snippy: not really
[02:07] <Snippy> why not?
[02:07] <gpd> Snippy: apt-get deals with the .deb once you generate it with alien
[02:07] <Amaranth> Snippy: because the rpm database and the dpkg database won't share data
[02:08] <Amaranth> Snippy: so it'd be more than worthless
[02:08] <Snippy> I see..
[02:08] <deltab> Zalbor: something to do with /etc/chatscripts and /etc/ppp/peers, I think
[02:08] <Amaranth> Snippy: What are you trying to install?
[02:08] <cafuego_> Snippy: yes, but don't use that to install RPMs if you want to keep a working system.
[02:08] <tony> i can't moun the floppy
[02:08] <tony> i need help
[02:09] <benplaut> kaffeend: it's kinda weird, but there are instructions at
[02:09] <benplaut> http://webpages.charter.net/cirithungol/tcetest/elite_install-guide.html
[02:09] <Zalbor> deltab: I tried that, I added ATX3 but it didn't work. And when I checked the file later, ATX3 had changed to ATX3L2
[02:09] <gpd> tony: did you try my suggestion
[02:09] <shinshi> Does anyone have any experience with setting up a touchpad?
[02:09] <Snippy> Amaranth, I dont want to tell what I'm installing
[02:09] <tony> yes
[02:09] <tony> but
[02:09] <benplaut> shinshi: what kind of laptop?
[02:09] <kaffeend> benplaut thanks
[02:09] <Faco> crimsun: Thank you very much for your help, now is working
[02:09] <Amaranth> Snippy: ok, you're doing something illegal :P
[02:09] <benplaut> 'welcome :)
[02:09] <tony> don't work
[02:09] <shinshi> benplaut: Acer Ferrari 4005
[02:09] <benplaut> hmm
[02:09] <shinshi> haha
[02:09] <Snippy> Amaranth, ooh dude >_<
[02:09] <Snippy> SHHHHHT!
[02:10] <Amaranth> Snippy: sudo alien foo.rpm will make you a .deb which you can install with sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[02:10] <gpd> tony: error message? what format disk? other disks work...?
[02:10] <logical_mark> hey guys, when I am apt-get'n I am always getting this warning which I would like to know how to turn off - sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[02:10] <logical_mark> ok not that
[02:10] <benplaut> shinshi: quite frankly, i have no idea :P
[02:10] <ray_> kaffeend, i still like the normal ET better
[02:10] <Amaranth> Snippy: next time just get cedega in deb form :P
[02:10] <logical_mark> Install these packages without verification [y/N] ? y
[02:10] <Snippy> I have cedega 4.4 in deb form and point2play
[02:10] <Snippy> :P
[02:10] <logical_mark> how do I turn that off?
[02:10] <tony> missing codepage or other error
[02:10] <tony> In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[02:10] <tony> dmesg | tail or so
[02:10] <Snippy> can I query you Amaranth ?
[02:11] <shinshi> benplaut: well i'm gonna ask a really newbie question, but how do change the init order of modules during boot, e.g. usb before ps2 stuff yada yada
[02:11] <Amaranth> Snippy: no
[02:11] <morbidi> hello
[02:11] <benplaut> logical_mark: i dont think you can
[02:11] <tony> how can invite you a private chat
[02:11] <Snippy> Amaranth, ok
[02:11] <logical_mark> benplaut, thanks anyway
[02:11] <gpd> tony: tony sudo mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy
[02:11] <benplaut> ubotu tell shinshi about bum
[02:11] <Amaranth> Snippy: If you want to steal something you're going to have to figure out the details on your own. :P
[02:11] <benplaut> well...
[02:11] <SudoPus> I am trying to encode a dvd to avi..I created a new DVD project file but it offers only a ghosted encode button, are there any other libs I need to install?
[02:11] <morbidi> I just installed my ubuntu and my mouse doesn't work, it's a logitech cordless mouse, in the livecd it worked thought
[02:11] <benplaut> shinshi: a sec... i'll find you a link to Boot-UP Manager
[02:11] <Snippy> Amaranth, I'm not stealing >_>
[02:11] <morbidi> I've got hoary 5.04
[02:11] <shinshi> benplaut: thank :)
[02:11] <shinshi> er
[02:11] <morbidi> no updates
[02:11] <shinshi> thanks :)
[02:12] <morbidi> anyone ?
[02:12] <erisco> i am trying to run a setup.exe with wine, but it complains another setup is already running. However there isn't as far as i can see. What is happening?
[02:12] <keith> anyone in here running xcfe4 on ubunutu that can asnwer a question for me?
[02:12] <erisco> does wine just not support the program?
[02:12] <benplaut> shinshi: if anything can do it, this can:
[02:12] <benplaut> http://www.marzocca.net/linux/bum.html
[02:12] <tony> mount: /dev/fd0 no es un dispositivo de bloques vlido
[02:12] <benplaut> keith: i used to... what's your question?
[02:12] <morbidi> tony: tu lo tengues floppy ?
[02:13] <h08817> i have a little problem here
[02:13] <benplaut> Snippy: then what are ou doing?!
[02:13] <keith> benplaut, thanks. alright- i run a laptop, so i need to have the volume plugin and battery percentage plugin on the bar
[02:13] <tony> tengues?
[02:13] <kaffeend> benplaut Um, still having trouble here - was advised to open et-linux-2.55.x86.run but it doesn't exist :s
[02:13] <keith> but it doesnt save it like that- how do i have it always start up with it on the menu bar?
[02:13] <morbidi> tony: yo lo esto in portugal
[02:13] <h08817> any1 good with helping me with an install problem
[02:13] <morbidi> yo soi portugues
[02:13] <tony> ha
[02:13] <tony> ok
[02:13] <shinshi> benplaut: cool, thanks :)
[02:13] <Snippy> benplaut, I cant tell
[02:13] <morbidi> nao falo castelhano
[02:14] <tony> como hace para invitar
[02:14] <morbidi> hablo
[02:14] <benplaut> kaffeend: look a bit farther down the page for "TC:Test"
[02:14] <Chaotic_Reality> i have a big problem. :) for some reason my filesystem went to read only, i rebooted and now I can't even boot up, it says grub,error code 17. anyone know what this means? should i just reinstall?
[02:14] <kaffeend> benplaut ok
[02:14] <tony> chat privado
[02:14] <morbidi> Chaotic_Reality: check gentoo grub errors :)
[02:14] <shinshi> benplaut: does it have anything to do with insmod/rmmod and all that?
[02:14] <benplaut> keith: well... i dunno. always works on my PDA, but that's using a system tray applet to do the work
[02:14] <h08817> when i tried to install ubuntu i got a weird error
[02:15] <benplaut> shinshi: i dunno... probably only the stuff in /etc/init.d
[02:15] <h08817> and the setup wouldn't continue
[02:15] <benplaut> what error?
[02:15] <shinshi> ah ok, thx
[02:15] <tony> i can't moun the floppy
[02:15] <tony> i need help
[02:15] <brokeboy> just messed up my sourse.list. can anyone help out a newbie and give me a good script to use?
[02:16] <keith> hmm odd benplaut , thanks though.
[02:16] <benplaut> h08817: ....and the error is...
[02:16] <h08817> benplaut, ohci_hcd 0000:00:13.0: unlink after no-IRQ? Different ACPI or APIC settings may help
[02:16] <benplaut> keith: 'welcome
[02:16] <Chaotic_Reality> morbidi, doesn't help much. i just get put back at a black screen with the error. no ability to modify or look at anything
[02:16] <gpd> tony: if you translate your error i might be able to help
[02:16] <gpd> tony: i got the same error as you with my first command and then my second one it mounted ok
[02:16] <benplaut> h08817: right before you press enter to begin the setup, press F1 and look for the option that says no-acpi
[02:17] <morbidi> Chaotic_Reality: does your hd failed ?
[02:17] <morbidi> can you mount with a live cd your hd ?
[02:17] <h08817> benplaut, what is that for?
[02:17] <h08817> and what will it do
[02:17] <Chaotic_Reality> well i can boot off a cd and go through the install if i need to. i'd much rather repair it if i'm able to, but i have no idea how to go about that
[02:17] <tony> mount: /dev/fd0 is not a dipositive to the valid block
[02:17] <benplaut> h08817: well... the error says there's a ACPI error, so you run the setup without acpi :P i dunno exactly what it does
[02:18] <h08817> so what do i type then
[02:18] <gpd> tony: are you sure it is formatted?
[02:18] <benplaut> look in the F1 menu
[02:18] <h08817> i hit f1 and then there are instructions so i should just follow them
[02:18] <gpd> tony: try installing mtools...
[02:18] <benplaut> yup
[02:18] <h08817> ok thanks i'll go see what happens
[02:19] <benplaut> g'luck :)
[02:19] <kaffeend> benplaut I'm lost
[02:20] <gpd> anyone know how to stop screen blanking (not screensaver) in gnome...
[02:20] <tony> ok
[02:20] <tony> and now
[02:21] <ray_> gpd, power save options
[02:21] <gpd> gpd: it is display power management you fool
[02:21] <musashi> turn off display power management
[02:21] <kaffeend> benplaut I've been trying to get at least 1 game to run since I installed Ubuntu - so far something has gone wrong with EVERY attempt
[02:21] <ray_> xfce!!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:21] <deltab> gpd: Screensaver Preferences > Advanced > Display Power Management
[02:21] <gpd> thanks all... that was a bit stupid of me :)
[02:21] <benplaut> kaffeend: i can't truthfully say i've had better luck...
[02:21] <keith> what about xfce ray_?
[02:21] <monsterror> Hey everyone
[02:21] <reiki> newbie here... first install of this distro... I chose "server" at install... should I have just chosen "default". I can't find doc on what the difference is. Thanks
[02:22] <ray_> keith, i like it
[02:22] <keith> me too
[02:22] <keith> i use it on my laptop linux system (this one here)
[02:22] <keith> i just wish it could pck up my volume buttons
[02:22] <benplaut> it's good for PDA, but there are some things i hate for desktop...
[02:22] <monsterror> Anyone know a good wireless config program? I've heard of one called kwifi or something, but I cant find the package when I do apt-get
[02:22] <ray_> keith, can i enable system sounds?
[02:22] <tony> i can't moun the floppy
[02:22] <tony> i need help
[02:22] <benplaut> ubotu tell monsterror about gtkwifi
[02:23] <benplaut> damn you, ubotu
[02:23] <juanej> is alsa the best choise or output? cause mine sounds like sit
[02:23] <keith> what do you mean ray_ ?
[02:23] <kaffeend> benplaut maybe it's my hardware - having an Amiga platform might help...
[02:23] <gpd> tony: wtf!? did you install mtools?
[02:23] <benplaut> monsterror: just a sec, i'll gte you a link
[02:23] <tony> yes
[02:23] <gpd> tony: mdir a:
[02:23] <ray_> keith, like hmmmm sounds like in gnome and kde.....like on startup?
[02:23] <keith> never really tried it.
[02:23] <tony> Can't open /dev/fd0: No such device or address
[02:23] <tony> Cannot initialize 'A:'
[02:24] <gpd> sounds like your floppy is not plugged in :)
[02:24] <tony> ok
[02:24] <benplaut> monsterror: try this:
[02:24] <benplaut> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=49148
[02:24] <gpd> tony: dmesg | grep fd0
[02:24] <tony> ans
[02:24] <tony> and
[02:24] <tony> what i do?
[02:25] <benplaut> kaffeend: Amiga?!
[02:25] <monsterror> Thanks Benplaut
[02:25] <gpd> tony: dmesg | grep fd0
[02:25] <tony> Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M
[02:25] <tony> end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
[02:25] <kaffeend> benplaut yeah, my AMD64 bit super-machine is way too over the top for Linux methinks ;)
[02:25] <gpd> tony: what is on this floppy?
[02:26] <benplaut> kaffeend: try SuSE... it's much better for games
[02:26] <tony> amd64
[02:26] <thwack> so far so good
[02:26] <gpd> tony: amd64 is a chip... what is on the floppy? and use gpd: prefix...
[02:26] <vladuz976> can anybody tell me what i need to install to install stuff from cvs?
[02:26] <Chromance_> Is Debian much better then Ubuntu?
[02:26] <kaffeend> benplaut I'm not installing another distro - the next install will be windows xp - I'm sure it's better than SUSE for games
[02:27] <tony> gpd amd64
[02:27] <benplaut> vladuz: "sudo apt-get install build-essential"
[02:27] <hubsi> WARNING: v4l-conf is compiled without DGA support. WARNING: couldn't find framebuffer base address, try manual configuration ("v4l-conf -a <addr>") <- what addr does it mean?
[02:27] <benplaut> kaffeend: true... true...
[02:27] <gpd> tony: are you taking the piss?
[02:27] <student> haiiiiiiiii
[02:27] <thwack> real fast, anyone have an ubuntu "quick start" link for things like, java, flash player, mp3, divx, ntfs etc.?
[02:27] <benplaut> hi
[02:28] <juanej> why there is no azureus on synaptic anymore?
[02:28] <benplaut> ubotu tell thwak about ubuntuguide
[02:28] <student> what haveen
[02:28] <h08817> ubuntuguide
[02:28] <kaffeend> gpd maybe Tony has "Ubuntu 5.04 amd64" on the disk?
[02:28] <benplaut> yes, you seem like a student...
[02:28] <h08817> ubuntu guide
[02:28] <vladuz976> benplaut: aclocal: configure.in: 17: macro `AM_ENABLE_SHARED' not found in library
[02:28] <h08817> it is ok
[02:28] <vladuz976> benplaut: i got build essentials
[02:28] <gpd> kaffeend: on a floppy!
[02:29] <vladuz976> vladuz976: but this is what i am getting when i try autogen.sh
[02:29] <kaffeend> gdp oops - missed that bit
[02:29] <benplaut> vladuz967: i'm no expert on it... if it works, good. if it fails, then i just forget about it
[02:29] <Draucon> quit
[02:29] <Dr_Fate> The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is: 2.6.12.4 2005-08-05 21:11 UTC
[02:29] <Dr_Fate> When will we see this lernel?
[02:29] <kaffeend> gdp maybe someone's invented a super-floppy?
[02:29] <hubsi> in breezy
[02:29] <benplaut> kaffeend: that's a ZIP disk :P
[02:30] <kaffeend> benplaut or a flash-floppy
[02:30] <h08817> what is a good p2p program for linux?
[02:30] <benplaut> h0: limewire
[02:30] <musashi> called a ls120=p
[02:30] <h08817> how do i install limewire on linux?
[02:30] <kaffeend> benplaut I can't even work out how to install limewire :s
[02:30] <monsterror> Does anyone know the command line to get into Network settings?
[02:30] <Snippy> alien'ing the rpm now
[02:30] <Snippy> gg
[02:30] <deltab> h08817: p2p software to do what?
[02:31] <Snippy> it loads and loads.. its a 200 mb rpm <.<
[02:31] <h08817> to download stuff
[02:31] <ray_> kaffeend, limewire......do you have java
[02:31] <benplaut> kaffeend: instructions at ubuntuguide
[02:31] <h08817> ok thanks
[02:31] <deltab> what's a good client program for linux?
[02:31] <kaffeend> benplaut I have /home/me/Desktop/tcetest_0209_full.zip
[02:31] <tony> i can't moun the floppy
[02:31] <Dr_Fate> anyone here using the 2.6.11-k7?
[02:31] <tony> i need help
[02:31] <benplaut> monsterror: "gksudo gnome-network-settings" maybe
[02:32] <joan> bufffffffffffff :S
[02:32] <kaffeend> ray_ yes I do - how'd you go with TCElite?
[02:32] <joan> sokorro xD
[02:32] <benplaut> kaffeend... and the is supposed to meen...
[02:32] <tony> i can't moun the floppy
[02:32] <tony> i need help
[02:32] <ray_> kaffeend, i didnt like it as much as regular ET
[02:32] <benplaut> tony: we heard you already!
[02:32] <erisco> hello, i am trying to run a setup with wine, but it complains another setup is already running. But there doesn't appear to be another one running.... what is wrong?
[02:32] <erisco> i can elaborate more if needed
[02:32] <benplaut> tony: stop being reduntent
[02:32] <kaffeend> benplaut sorry I meant /home/me/Desktop/LimeWireLinux.rpm
[02:32] <monsterror> That didn't work, Ben
[02:33] <benplaut> monsterror: i dunno...
[02:33] <kaffeend> ray_ well I don't like it as much as watching paint dry right now
[02:33] <monsterror> So no one knows the command line to get into the network settings?
[02:33] <erisco> ifconfig
[02:33] <benplaut> monsterror: found it... "network-admin"
[02:33] <ray_> kaffeend, if you want to play those games bad enough you might have to change back to winblows
[02:33] <crimsun> or ip a
[02:33] <monsterror> That just tells me my IP
[02:34] <erisco> monsterror, ifconfig should work no?
[02:34] <monsterror> Thanks ben
[02:34] <kaffeend> ray_ okay
[02:34] <erisco> oh i c
[02:34] <benplaut> kaffeend: "sudo alien -i /home/me/Desktop/LimeWireLinux.rpm"
[02:34] <tony> i can't mount the floppy
[02:34] <monsterror> network-admin was it, Thanks Ben
[02:34] <erisco> you said settings, not to configure the settings
[02:34] <benplaut> and then dpkg -i the .deb it makes
[02:34] <tony> i need help
[02:34] <benplaut> tony: shut up
[02:34] <kaffeend> but I'd like to keep Ubuntu to learn the command line - can't seem to reinstall windows now :(
[02:34] <Amaranth> benplaut: ...
[02:34] <f_newton> that doesnt help you set up cards...that only lets you see cards that were dectected
[02:34] <benplaut> sorry...
[02:35] <f_newton> thats kind of a weak spot in ubuntu
[02:35] <benplaut> it's getting on my nerves...
[02:35] <benplaut> i'm in a bad mood today... i shouldn't be online...
[02:35] <shinshi> hey benplaut
[02:35] <f_newton> tony a modern linux kernel should automount your floppy ... what seems to be the trouble?
[02:35] <cafuego_> beagle has indexed 46,000 emails
[02:35] <HrdwrBoB> Canoeingkidd: lucky you
[02:36] <shinshi> benplaut: you may be in a bad mood, but you're really nice for helping out
[02:36] <cafuego_> and it's _fast_ :-)
[02:36] <benplaut> shinshi: welcome...
[02:36] <crimsun> obviously men have monthly cycles, too. :P
[02:36] <f_newton> uh monthly?
[02:36] <brokeboy> i erased my repositories in sorces.list! does anyone have a good back up they could let me copy?
[02:36] <f_newton> lol
[02:36] <crimsun> f_newton: sure, or maybe it's weekly or even daily.
[02:36] <shinshi> crimsun: i'd say daily
[02:36] <shinshi> heh
[02:36] <erisco> brokeboy, can't you just add them again?
[02:36] <f_newton> daily I'd say knowing me
[02:37] <f_newton> but then I howl at the moon
[02:37] <kaffeend> benplaut that command returns: File "/home/me/Desktop/LimewireLinux.rpm" not found.
[02:37] <brokeboy> where can i go to get a new list. sorry im new at this. started today
[02:37] <reiki> is the boot-to-GUI the only real difference between choosing "server" or "default" at install time?
[02:37] <Canoeingkidd> HrdwrBoB: bad tab complete?
[02:37] <HrdwrBoB> Canoeingkidd: yes
[02:37] <erisco> brokeboy, there is a ubuntu guide
[02:38] <vladuz976> does anybody know what zlib.h is?
[02:38] <erisco> let me get it for you
[02:38] <HrdwrBoB> Canoeingkidd: I didn't even realise until you said that :)
[02:38] <ray_> kaffeend, where did you download limewire
[02:38] <Doonz> ubutunguide.org
[02:38] <Canoeingkidd> lol
[02:38] <HrdwrBoB> vladuz976: you need the package zlib-dev
[02:38] <benplaut> kaffeend: try "cd /home/me/Desktop" and then "alien -i LimewireLinux.rpm"
[02:38] <kaffeend> ray_ can't remember
[02:38] <f_newton> Amaranth, I could be wrong but I think tony is baiting people in here.
[02:38] <kaffeend> benplaut ok
[02:38] <ray_> kaffeend, then thats never gonna work
[02:38] <ray_> kaffeend, open term and type sudo updatedb
[02:38] <benplaut> ray_: worked for me...
[02:39] <flugh> vladuz976: do a 'dpkg -S zlib.h'
[02:39] <Fizile> any ebook readers for linux, to display a .txt with scrolling and font options? not just a browser or a text editor
[02:39] <ray_> benplaut, yeah because you knew your path
[02:39] <keith> hey guys- ive been using apt-get lately, but it keeps asking for a ubunutu cd i dont got.
[02:39] <keith> how can i make it stop doing that?
[02:39] <The_Vox> Fizile: I've never found one...if you find one, let me know :)
[02:39] <keith> or circumvent it?
[02:39] <crimsun> vladuz976: it's in zlib1g-dev if you want it. It's the development package for zlib.
[02:39] <flugh> vladuz976: you'll see what packages contain similarly named files. then just apt-get install <the appropriate package>
[02:39] <vladuz976> flugh: HrdwrBoB i got it but autogen.sh still complains
[02:39] <Fizile> The_Vox, alright i will
[02:39] <The_Vox> keikoz: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out the line that points to your cd
[02:40] <ray_> keith, edit your sources.list
[02:40] <HrdwrBoB> vladuz976: rm .config.cache
[02:40] <keith> thanks vox.
[02:40] <The_Vox> Fizile: I actually use a windows ebook reader under wine
[02:40] <keith> is it something i could do in synaptic too?
[02:40] <Fizile> which one?
[02:40] <vladuz976> HrdwrBoB: "configure: error: "Cannot find zlib.h. Make sure your CFLAGS environment variable contains"
[02:40] <flugh> vladuz976: maybe your include path is bad. do a ./configure --help and see if you can add an --include-path='pathtozlib.h' to it
[02:40] <logical_mark> hey guys what is a good linux itunes?
[02:40] <Fizile> i tried out ice book reader, but had some problems, as well as microsoft reader
[02:40] <keith> logical- there isnt a good one
[02:40] <keith> it was closed down by apple not too long ago
[02:40] <HrdwrBoB> logical_mark: rhythmbox is the gnome equivalent
[02:40] <logical_mark> keith, that sucks
[02:40] <Fizile> logical_mark, rhythmbox is similiar
[02:40] <keith> logical_mark, i suggest you use rythm box to upload to your ipod
[02:40] <HrdwrBoB> logical_mark: gtkpod is the ipod program
[02:41] <ray_> what is a nickname for william?
[02:41] <keith> logical_mark, and i suggest you anti-drm your itunes music first
[02:41] <kaffeend> ray_ done
[02:41] <vladuz976> flugh: you mean ./autogen.sh --helpf
[02:41] <Fizile> ray_, bill
[02:41] <W|cked> Congratulations! Fizile has said the Mystery Word! "bill" was the word.
[02:41] <tony> i can't mount the floppy
[02:41] <logical_mark> well I dont have an Ipod
[02:41] <keith> logical_mark: otherwise it wouldn't mark
[02:41] <tony> i need help
[02:41] <tony> i can't mount the floppy
[02:41] <keith> work*
[02:41] <Snippy> tony
[02:41] <ray_> kaffeend, now do a ......loacte limewire
[02:41] <Snippy> stop it
[02:41] <logical_mark> I just have a crap load of music so and itunes organizes it so well and search is great
[02:41] <benplaut> tony: we have heard you many times already
[02:41] <flugh> vladuz976: ok, maybe so. i was assuming you were doing a 'configure/make/make install' thing :)
[02:41] <The_Vox> Fizile: uhm...I'd need to check on monday, computer that has it installed isn't here at home :)
[02:41] <f_newton> Amaranth, see he just keeps saying Icant mount the floppy I need help... when I asked to help him he just ignored me
[02:41] <keith> did you buy it from itunes logical?
[02:42] <Snippy> benplaut, I followed the steps with alien etc.. installed the deb, where did it got installed? oO
[02:42] <keith> cause if you did and dont anti-drm , you cant play that music on linux.
[02:42] <kaffeend> ray_ you mean locate?
[02:42] <ray_> kaffeend, oops yeah
[02:42] <benplaut> Snippy: umm... i dunno
[02:42] <Fizile> The_Vox, no ideas or, "it sounds like banana" esque tips heh
[02:42] <logical_mark> keith, no I didnt buy it from itunes
[02:42] <benplaut> .debs get installed "all over the place"
[02:42] <tony> i only need help i this dificult
[02:42] <kaffeend> ray_ got 10 entries for it
[02:42] <vladuz976> flugh: this --help is hard to read. what do i need to look for?
[02:42] <keith> ah you're fine then logical
[02:42] <logical_mark> keith, I just like the way itunes organizes my music and its interface is great
[02:43] <keith> hmmm then ryhthm box
[02:43] <The_Vox> Fizile: it's been installed for over a year, so I don't really remember lol
[02:43] <logical_mark> thanks
[02:43] <tony> please i need mount the floppy to my work
[02:43] <keith> and yeah i like it too
[02:43] <benplaut> tony: it's quite possible... likely even... that nobody reading the chatroom knows an answer to your question
[02:43] <flugh> vladuz976: i'd be looking for a way to specify an --include-path= argument
[02:43] <keith> a shame they dont port to linux
[02:43] <Fizile> logical_mark, i would have to agree its good stuff
[02:43] <flugh> do a ./configure --help | less
[02:43] <flugh> (the | is a 'pipe', above the backslash \
[02:43] <f_newton> tony choose places on your upper taskbar menu and choose floppy to mount your floppy drove
[02:43] <ray_> kaffeend, which one is the rpm?
[02:43] <f_newton> uh drive
[02:43] <adman> ubotu: i am getting errors
[02:43] <ubotu> adman: No idea
[02:44] <kaffeend> ray_ none
[02:44] <kaffeend> ray_ they're all under BitTorrent
[02:44] <vladuz976> flugh: nothing like that in ther
[02:44] <h08817> sweet limewire is so fast compared to aMule
[02:44] <kaffeend> ray_ which isn't actually on my desktop at all
[02:44] <samu> what does the rc stand for in most linux config files?
[02:44] <ray_> kaffeend, you got it from bittorrent?
[02:45] <kaffeend> ray_ no I've not even used BitTorrent
[02:45] <tony> missing codepage or other error
[02:45] <tony> In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[02:45] <tony> dmesg | tail or so
[02:45] <spanglesontoast> I have a .tar.gz.gpg and I don't have a the gpg key but I remember the passphrase
[02:45] <spanglesontoast> can I use it to unlock the files?
[02:46] <benplaut> rename it to .tar.gz :P
[02:46] <jharrison> what repositories to use for mplayer?
[02:46] <ray_> kaffeend, give me an example of the limewire file name
[02:46] <adman> ubotu: this is generating errors>>fakeroot make - jpkg jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin
[02:46] <ubotu> adman: what are you talking about?
[02:46] <ray_> kaffeend, you downloaded it from the limewire site?
[02:46] <keith> whats the best dvd player for ubuntu guys?
[02:47] <benplaut> keith: i like totem
[02:47] <spanglesontoast> it's encrypted you dummy.
[02:47] <cafuego_> adman: ubotu is a piec eof software, not a human
[02:47] <ray_> keikoz, mplayer
[02:47] <kaffeend> ray_ in the week that I've been "using" Linux I have successfully installed nvidia drivers (which don't work) and listen to .mp3s.... That's it!
[02:47] <benplaut> adman: u-BOT-u :P
[02:47] <cafuego_> though it IS smarter then some humans
[02:47] <keith> totem is yet to work for me benplaut
[02:47] <ray_> kaffeend, so you didnt even download the limewire file?
[02:47] <keith> on either computer that i have totem on.
[02:47] <kaffeend> /home/me/Desktop/BitTorrent/usr/bin/limewire
[02:47] <_SWAT_> anyone know how I can start the ATI control panel from a terminal?
[02:47] <benplaut> cafuego: oh, be quiet :P
[02:47] <benplaut> (the creator)
[02:47] <jharrison> I like kplayer except looks like im going to have to compile it myself if there are no repositories that supply mplayer etc...
[02:48] <kaffeend> ray_ I have downloaded it
[02:48] <kaffeend> ray_ it is sitting on my desktop as file:///home/dan1/Desktop/LimeWireLinux.rpm
[02:48] <vladuz976> can anybody help me please? i don't know why my ./autogen.sh complains about something that is installed
[02:48] <kaffeend> ray_ and inside it is lots of files
[02:48] <kaffeend> ray_ believe me I do have it
[02:48] <cafuego_> benplaut: what are you talking about?
[02:48] <ray_> kaffeend, well then you know where you downloaded it to dont you
[02:49] <benplaut> kaffeend: "alien -i /home/dan1/Desktop/LimeWireLinux.rpm"
[02:49] <ray_> YUP
[02:49] <h08817> r u guys talking about limewire setup?
[02:49] <benplaut> cafuego: proud of your creation :P
[02:49] <adman> benplaut: i am getting errors installing java using this command fakeroot make - jpkg jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin
[02:49] <kaffeend> benplaut I tried that already and it didn't work
[02:49] <cafuego_> benplaut: Syntax error, what are you on about?
[02:49] <ray_> adman, what errors?
[02:49] <cafuego_> benplaut: No, ubotu is dumb, it's just that i've notice some humans are even dumber ;-)
[02:50] <ray_> kaffeend, move it to your home directory
[02:50] <benplaut> true...
[02:50] <adman> benplaut: *** No rule to make target `jpkg'. Stop.
[02:50] <benplaut> adman: i never said i could help :P
[02:50] <juanej> why doesnt sudo apt-get install azureus work???
[02:50] <benplaut> i'm a noob at compiling...
[02:50] <cafuego_> adman: make-jpkg, no spaces
[02:50] <benplaut> !azureus
[02:50] <Amaranth> juanej: because azureus isn't in the repositories
[02:50] <ubotu> benplaut: Wish i knew
[02:50] <kaffeend> ray_ I can't. It says "You do not have permissions to write to this folder"
[02:51] <f_newton> yes cafuego we should all be blessed with your huge intellect
[02:51] <ray_> kaffeend, to your home directory?
[02:51] <juanej> but in ubuntuguide.org says that i have to write that down
[02:51] <benplaut> kaffeend: "sudo alien -i /home/dan1/Desktop/LimeWireLinux.rpm"
[02:51] <kaffeend> ray_ yes
[02:51] <ray_> kaffeend, what the hell did ya do
[02:51] <juanej> Amaranth: how do i install it then?
[02:51] <ray_> kaffeend, are you logged in as root?
[02:51] <benplaut> juanej: look on ubuntuguide
[02:51] <juanej> already
[02:51] <kaffeend> ray_ no
[02:52] <juanej> qbeek: How to install P2P BitTorrent Client (Azureus)?
[02:52] <juanej> Q How to install P2P BitTorrent Client (Azureus)?
[02:52] <cafuego_> benplaut: See, there's an example. Can't read and makes stupid assumptions.
[02:52] <juanej> sudo apt-get install azureus
[02:52] <ray_> kaffeend, open file manager and just drag it in there
[02:52] <juanej> it doesnt work
[02:52] <kaffeend> ray_ I was told never to install games/apps while logged in as root
[02:52] <benplaut> ubotu tell juanej about repos
[02:53] <benplaut> i think it's in the repos?
[02:53] <deltab> juanej: Let's fix that "Q:" thing. Are you using x-chat?
[02:53] <kaffeend> ray_ that's what I just tried but it said I don't have permissions
[02:53] <ray_> kaffeend, well if you dont have permission to write to your own home folder it made me think you were root
[02:53] <juanej> yep
[02:53] <rngrmatti> Anyone have a problem with sound using a Sound Blaster Audigy 2?
[02:53] <ray_> what is you comp name? it will be the folder /home/*you*
[02:53] <ray_> rngrmatti, compile the new alsa
[02:54] <kaffeend> benplaut I did it and I got this back
[02:54] <kaffeend> dpkg-architecture: warning: Couldn't determine gcc system type, falling back to default (native compilation)
[02:54] <kaffeend> dpkg-gencontrol: error: current build architecture amd64 does not appear in package's list (i386)
[02:54] <kaffeend> dh_gencontrol: command returned error code 65280
[02:54] <kaffeend> make: *** [binary-arch] Error 1
[02:54] <kaffeend> find: LimeWire-free-4.9.11: No such file or directory
[02:54] <benplaut> ooohhh
[02:54] <rngrmatti> ok so just download the new ALSA driver from their site?
[02:54] <benplaut> you're on a 64bit
[02:54] <deltab> juanej: go to Settings > Preferences... > Interface > Input box and turn off Automatic nick completion
[02:54] <ray_> kaffeend, what folders are in your home folder
[02:54] <benplaut> kaffeend: there's your problem :P
[02:54] <tony> jajaajja
[02:54] <kaffeend> benplaut_ I thought you knew - sorry
[02:55] <benplaut> yes, tony?
[02:55] <kaffeend> ray_ lots
[02:55] <cafuego_> kaffeend: Do you have access to a 32bit box to convert that package?
[02:55] <juanej> ok
[02:55] <levander> Anybody knows how to clean sharpie ink off a DVD?
[02:55] <kaffeend> cafuego_ no I don't
[02:55] <tony> jajaja
[02:55] <tony> lite problem
[02:55] <tony> kakakkaa
[02:55] <HrdwrBoB> levander: petrol
[02:55] <shinshi> levander: isopropyl alcohol
[02:55] <benplaut> levander: alcahol pad
[02:55] <rngrmatti> just use alcohol
[02:55] <juanej> so how do i install azureus?
[02:55] <HrdwrBoB> levander: though it will also eat the DVD
[02:55] <ray_> kaffeend, so its /home/*you* that you need to move that file to
[02:55] <h08817> i have a question about synaptic
[02:55] <kaffeend> maybe I need to wait for a year or 2
[02:55] <cafuego_> that's a waste of good vodka
[02:55] <impreza> hola
[02:55] <benplaut> juanej: i guess try the wiki...
[02:55] <kaffeend> ray_ I'll try it
[02:56] <juanej> ok
[02:56] <deltab> juanej: you can still complete names by pressing the Tab key, but "Q:" etc. won't be changed automatically
[02:56] <h08817> i want to delete something and it give me 2 options remove and complete removal
[02:56] <levander> it will eat the DVD even if the sharpie ink is not on the writable side?
[02:56] <cafuego_> kaffeend: Shall I volunteer?
[02:56] <impreza> hi
[02:56] <ray_> kaffeend, do you understand what i mean by *you*
[02:56] <adman> cafuego: I am getting errors
[02:56] <impreza> gato
[02:56] <kaffeend> ray_ yep
[02:56] <kaffeend> ray_ it worked
[02:56] <cafuego_> adman: paste them to paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[02:56] <ray_> kaffeend, well yeah
[02:56] <shinshi> levander: take a cotton ball, put some isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol on it, rub from the inner hole to the outside
[02:56] <kaffeend> cafuego_ to "look after" my box?
[02:57] <cafuego_> kaffeend: No, to run alien and give you a.deb
[02:57] <tony> /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 autofs rw,user,noauto 0
[02:57] <tony> help
[02:57] <ray_> kaffeend, now do .......sudo alien /home/*you*/*nameoflimewirer
[02:57] <levander> shinshi: HrdwrBoB says it will eat the DVD, it will eat it even if the sharpie ink is not on the computer writable side of the DVD? It's on the side that you're supposed to write on to label it.
[02:57] <kaffeend> cafuego_ I don't know what you're talking about, but I kinda want to get a game working more than anything... /sigh
[02:58] <shinshi> i swear, this touchpad deal is driving me nuts
[02:58] <kaffeend> ray_ ok 1 sec
[02:58] <cafuego_> kaffeend: Sorry, i thought you were having limewire issues
[02:58] <shinshi> levander: it will not eat the dvd
[02:58] <kaffeend> cafuego_ I'm having Linux issues!
[02:58] <levander> okay, guys, thanks for the advice! I'm gonna try it with the cotton ball.
[02:58] <cafuego_> kaffeend: <heh>
[02:59] <tony> heeelllllpppp PLEASE
[02:59] <cafuego_> kaffeend: Mebbe going to 32bit would solve a lot of hassles.
[02:59] <erisco> i am trying to run a setup.exe with wine, but it comlpains another setup.exe is already running, when one isn't
[02:59] <benplaut> tony: ...
[02:59] <tony> my work depende of this
[02:59] <tony> what
[02:59] <benplaut> well, maybe nobody in here knows
[02:59] <vladuz976> can anybody tell me what CFLAGS deos
[02:59] <tony> ?
[02:59] <tony> you say
[02:59] <Xyc1> I am having trouble looking up the strength of my wireless, is that because I am using ndiswrapper?
[03:00] <benplaut> Xyc1: yup
[03:00] <tony> that nobody can mount a floppy?
[03:00] <cafuego_> vladuz976: is sets GCC parameters in an env variable. ./configure will pick 'em up and use 'em
[03:00] <ray_> brb FAMILY GUY IS ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:00] <benplaut> tony: well... yours might not work like ours do
[03:00] <vladuz976> cafuego_: i don't have an env like this one
[03:00] <Xyc1> benplaut: does that stop every wireless program, or just the gnome applet?
[03:00] <cafuego_> vladuz976: There isn't normally a need for it on ubuntu.
[03:00] <benplaut> tony: if the commands people have already given you don't work, then...
[03:00] <benplaut> Xyc1: all of them...
[03:01] <vladuz976> cafuego_: i am trying to install from cvs an autogen.sh complains about it
[03:01] <tony> sabes
[03:01] <kaffeend> cafuego_ what? Windows is 32 bit and I can guarantee it works, but people keep telling me that Linux is worth all the hassels so I'm thinkin that I'm in for a real treat being that this is a big fucking hassel
[03:01] <Xyc1> benplaut: anything I can do about it?
[03:01] <tony> que
[03:01] <tony> benplaut
[03:01] <tony> mete un palo
[03:01] <tony> en el culo
[03:01] <tony> FORRO DEL ORTO
[03:01] <cafuego_> !es
[03:01] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[03:01] <tony> COSETE EL ORTO
[03:01] <tony> CON HILO DE CHORIZO
[03:01] <Quest-Master> .
[03:02] <tony> COMO MIERDA NO VAS A SABER MONTAR UN FLOPPY
[03:02] <Fizile> taco...
[03:02] <kaffeend> hey
[03:02] <morbidi> tony: para de dizer asneiras caralho
[03:02] <cafuego_> kaffeend: Well, yes and no. A lot of end-user software is still 32bit and doesn't port particularly well. Examples being cedega, w32codecs and flash.
[03:02] <morbidi> :)
[03:02] <benplaut> JackDaniels: not much you can do...
[03:02] <cafuego_> tony: Would you mind disabling capslock?
[03:02] <tony> morbidi
[03:02] <tony> porque mierdo
[03:02] <Quest-Master> good idea to set up a 32-bit chroot for 64-bit users.
[03:02] <tony> no aprendes a hablar
[03:02] <kaffeend> cafuego_ yeah, all the things I came here for
[03:02] <Fizile> lol JackDaniels can do quite a bit
[03:02] <tony> bien espaol
[03:03] <cafuego_> tony: And use #ubuntu-es if you need to curse at me in spanish.
[03:03] <morbidi> tony: se hablares english e mejor
[03:03] <morbidi> tony: porque ja sei falar
[03:03] <morbidi> tony: aprende a minha lingua se quiseres
[03:03] <morbidi> tony: do
[03:03] <tony> mata
[03:03] <tony> gilll de cuarta
[03:03] <cafuego_> kaffeend: In time they _will_ be ported to 64bit...
[03:03] <morbidi> tony: do you have fd0 has your floppy disk ?
[03:04] <kaffeend> cafuego_ yes, in time... I'm waiting for a fix on this nvidia.glx bug now
[03:04] <cafuego_> tony: 'sudo apt-get install mtools; sudo modprobe floppy; sudo mdir a:'
[03:04] <DrCert> I have ubuntu installed on a vmware guest
[03:04] <DrCert> how much memory should i give it to let it function properly
[03:04] <cafuego_> DrCert: 256Mb or more.
[03:04] <benplaut> DrCert: 256 should be enough
[03:04] <tony> root@pirri:/home/tony # sudo mdir a:
[03:04] <cafuego_> DrCert: ideally 512, if you can.
[03:04] <tony> Can't open /dev/fd0: No such device or address
[03:04] <tony> Cannot initialize 'A:'
[03:04] <kaffeend> I have another game here that keeps giving me errors
[03:05] <DrCert> ok i have 2 gigs of ram
[03:05] <skalpel> is there an app i can use to edit id tags for music files?
[03:05] <JackDaniels> eh
[03:05] <cafuego_> tony: You need the floppy driver and appear to not have it loaded.
[03:05] <morbidi> tony: you don't have floppy in that device
[03:05] <morbidi> search another
[03:05] <cafuego_> DrCert: the more the merrier in that case
[03:05] <vladuz976> where can i find out more about cflags in ubuntu?
[03:05] <cafuego_> vladuz976: why do you need to know about CFLAGS?
[03:05] <DrCert> what kernel should i use? i386?
[03:05] <DrCert> or just leave it alone
[03:05] <cafuego_> DrCert: what cpu do you have?
[03:05] <web250> drcert: what is ur cpu?
[03:06] <kaffeend> does anyone feel like giving me a hand installing Americas Army please?
[03:06] <vladuz976> cafuego_: because i am stuck, my installation wont'work because of it
[03:06] <DrCert> amd64 3000
[03:06] <cafuego_> vladuz976: What installation?
[03:06] <DrCert> err athlon 64
[03:06] <cafuego_> DrCert: -k7
[03:06] <vladuz976> cafuego_: e17 from cvs
[03:06] <DrCert> inside vmware?
[03:06] <web250> heheh
[03:06] <cafuego_> !tell vladuz976 -about compiling
[03:06] <cafuego_> DrCert: Yep
[03:07] <vladuz976> cafuego_: what was that
[03:07] <cafuego_> vladuz976: ubotu should have justs ent you some good advice
[03:07] <web250> anyone know a good linux prog thatll do what eprompter does in windows?
[03:07] <kaffeend> !crack
[03:07] <ubotu> The primary cause of people asking me the wrong things.
[03:07] <kaffeend> lol
[03:08] <Fizile> !weed
[03:08] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Fizile
[03:08] <vladuz976> cafuego_: how am i gonna learn my system then? if i always go take the easy route?
[03:08] <Fizile> yeah sure buddy
[03:08] <Fizile> i think you know EXACTLY what im talking about
[03:08] <kaffeend> ubotu is smoking weed right now
[03:08] <ubotu> kaffeend: I give up, what is it?
[03:08] <cafuego_> vladuz976: How is wrecking your system going to help you learn?
[03:08] <reiki> ok... install failed when copying all other packages to hard drive. It's a 20gig drive. I need more? I've had fedora and debian on that machine and they didn't eat the drive. Can I skip copying everything else and how?
[03:09] <cafuego_> vladuz976: If e won compile, you undoubtedly need headers, not a gcc switch in cflags.
[03:09] <vladuz976> cafuego_: it is obviously not going to help me to wreck my system, but i am not trying to do that. i am trying to install something and pick up some knowledge on the way
[03:09] <f_newton> fizile !DEA
[03:10] <cafuego_> vladuz976: Consider "use packages and not tarballs whenever you can" a more important lesson ;-)
[03:10] <bluefoxicy> anyone got an outline tool?
[03:10] <bluefoxicy> something to design outlines in
[03:10] <bluefoxicy> rather than OOo
[03:10] <cafuego_> bluefoxicy: inkscape
[03:10] <vladuz976> cafuego_: yeah that is the same as in windows then, no?
[03:10] <bluefoxicy> cafuego: no not that kind of outline
[03:11] <cafuego_> bluefoxicy: What outline then?
[03:11] <cafuego_> bluefoxicy: dia?
[03:11] <bluefoxicy> that's for flowcharts.
[03:11] <cafuego_> define outline, then.
[03:12] <cafuego_> vladuz976: I throught there was an e17 deb somewhere... best bet is to find the associated source deb and customise that to build your own e17 deb.
[03:12] <benplaut> try "smoon"'s repo
[03:12] <kaffeend> America's Army is installing! omg
[03:12] <vladuz976> cafuego_: yeah there is actually a repo maintained by smoon, but i know i can do it that way, but that is not my point
[03:13] <cafuego_> vladuz976: Why are you insisting on learning the hard way?
[03:13] <vladuz976> cafuego_: do you know another way?
[03:13] <cafuego_> vladuz976: Yes.
[03:13] <vladuz976> cafuego_: what would that be?
[03:13] <cafuego_> vladuz976: The "maybe you are right and I should try to learn by not wrekcing things"
[03:14] <benplaut> what?!
[03:14] <cafuego_> vladuz976: If you want to compile and break stuff, sure.. but don't ask for *assistance* in doing so.
[03:14] <benplaut> the only way to learn is by wrecking things!
[03:14] <web250> is procmeter3 the best option for displaying stats on desktop....or something else?
[03:14] <bluefoxicy> cafuego: there was some app on gpe that did outlines, it had a lightbulb for an icon and stuff, could collapse sections. . .
[03:14] <cafuego_> 'rm -rf /'is far quicker ;-)
[03:14] <vladuz976> cafuego_: you still haven't told me how to learn it otherwise
[03:15] <cafuego_> vladuz976: I _did_ mention the source deb, didn't I?
[03:15] <cafuego_> you could even grep that for CFLAGS
[03:15] <vladuz976> cafuego_: that only helps me install it
[03:15] <yuacht> where do ubuntu stash my icons?
[03:15] <DrCert> ok wish me luck
[03:15] <cafuego_> vladuz976: no, it allows you to see EXACTLY how a working compile functions.
[03:15] <DrCert> gonna reboot into this new kernl
[03:16] <bimberi> yuacht: mostly in /usr/share/pixmaps
[03:17] <vladuz976> cafuego_: ok i guess then i'll give that a try
[03:17] <zer0`> does ubuntu have a program for seeing what partitions i have?
[03:17] <cafuego_> vladuz976: Notable the debian/rules file, which is used to run all commands
[03:17] <Ranger> howdy all
[03:17] <cafuego_> zer0`: 'df'
[03:18] <deltab> zer0`: Applications > System Tools > GParted
[03:18] <Ranger> anyone around?
[03:19] <Madpilot> is GParted installed by default? I thought I'd added it...
[03:19] <Zodiac> Hey guys, what is a good CD ripper??
[03:19] <Madpilot> Zodiac: Sound Juicer
[03:19] <deltab> Madpilot: I have it (live cd)
[03:19] <Zodiac> The default ripper?
[03:19] <zer0`> dont think i have gparted installed, got the cd a few months ago though
[03:19] <Zodiac> mine is slow as molassis(sp)
[03:20] <Madpilot> deltab: OK, interesting
[03:20] <vladuz976> what is the zlib package called in ubuntu? aptitude can't find zlib?
[03:20] <Madpilot> zer0`: search Synaptic for it then
[03:20] <zer0`> ok, thanks
[03:21] <deltab> vladuz976: try libz
[03:21] <Madpilot> vladuz976: zlib1g? compression util stuff?
[03:21] <synd_> anyone use XPDE and Ubuntu?
[03:21] <Horstderschwulea> Hello Aka
[03:22] <aka_druid> Horstderschwulea, Im watchin you
[03:22] <vladuz976> Madpilot: thanks
[03:22] <benplaut> synd_: i haven't yet heard of someone doing it successfully...
[03:22] <Horstderschwulea> I want to suck you
[03:22] <aru> hmm
[03:22] <synd_> benplaut: really? hmm..
[03:22] <aru> interesting
[03:22] <f_newton> what kind of crap am I having to see in here?
[03:22] <synd_> benplaut: what problems exist?
[03:22] <benplaut> i dunno...
[03:22] <benplaut> but i hear alot about failure
[03:22] <Horstderschwulea> Hello aka theres a chat
[03:23] <synd_> benplaut: i see.
[03:23] <Horstderschwulea> Hello aka?
[03:23] <Horstderschwulea> huhun aka
[03:24] <Horstderschwulea> Aka I want to be your bitch
[03:24] <Horstderschwulea> Aka suck my dick
[03:24] <Horstderschwulea> You sucks like suse
[03:24] <Horstderschwulea> I hope you swallow, too
[03:25] <Quest-Master> .
[03:25] <benplaut> hmm
[03:25] <vladuz976> Madpilot: pilot do you know what i need for libjpeg?
[03:25] <hondje> I need to open up ##troll, teach you kids how to do it
[03:25] <benplaut> Horst: i recommend you be quiet
[03:25] <cafuego_> !ops
[03:25] <ubotu> Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, fooishbar, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmich, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia!
[03:25] <flugh> cool, i'm not the only absolute moronic idiot in the world
[03:25] <flugh> here i was thinking i was the only bottom feeder around :()
[03:25] <aka_druid> hondje, if you od it, Ill join heh
[03:25] <f_newton> excuse me but must we put up with this obscene crap ? I thought there were ops in here
[03:25] <Madpilot> hondje: you're going to run a school for trolls?
[03:26] <hondje> Madpilot: I think I should
[03:26] <cafuego_> thanks guys
[03:26] <aka_druid> Horstderschwulea, 2 bans in 5 minutes.. you are good
[03:26] <benplaut> thanks
[03:26] <hondje> High quality trolling is an art
[03:26] <Zodiac> ha
[03:26] <Madpilot> vladuz976: search Synaptic for libjpeg
[03:26] <Zodiac> yea it is
[03:26] <Zodiac> watch this....
[03:26] <zer0`> how do you upgrade to the newest ubuntu?
[03:26] <Zodiac> I hate ubuntu!
[03:26] <kamstrumental> Hello all.... just wondering if there was a Gnome program that manages your passwords?
[03:26] <Madpilot> Zodiac: that was not a high quality troll. Please try again.
[03:26] <aka_druid> Amaranth, I was just confirming I would have enough logs to ask for a k-line... just banned from #suse too
[03:27] <Zodiac> your right
[03:27] <glick> excuse me is clientform not part of the repositories?
[03:27] <Zodiac> I suck :(
[03:27] <hondje> Here's a good one...some guy kept emailing me yesterday asking if I went to some meeting...nevermind that I don't know him, work with him, or live in the same state
[03:27] <Zodiac> Did you go?
[03:27] <knowledge> can someone help me figure out why my wifi stopped working?
[03:27] <hondje> So, after a few times of explaining that, I asked where he worked, and he actually told me...so I forwarded the emails to his boss
[03:27] <knowledge> I don't know enough command line commands to figure it out
[03:28] <HrdwrBoB> haha hondje
[03:28] <hondje> :-)
[03:28] <zer0`> how do you upgrade to the newest ubuntu? apt-get dist-upgrade?
[03:28] <erisco> are there any, more intense, games i can apt-get?
[03:28] <Zodiac> 3D Chess!!
[03:28] <Zodiac> Ahhhh yea
[03:28] <erisco> lol okay
[03:28] <cafuego_> zer0`: Do Hoary? _do_ _not_ upgrad eto breezy!
[03:28] <Madpilot> Scorched3d?
[03:28] <hondje> bzflag is good, but 2.0 isn't in universe :-(
[03:28] <cafuego_> schorched3d is *so* a rip-off of Worms.
[03:29] <zer0`> cafuego_ how do you upgrade to hoary?
[03:29] <cafuego_> "Boggy B is an ex-worm"
[03:29] <erisco> lol, okay what is the package name for 3d chess?
[03:29] <teimu> is anyone using the backports respositories with hoary?
[03:29] <Madpilot> cafuego: nah, it's an updated of Scorched Earth, which was a very cool game
[03:29] <benplaut> teimu: plenty...
[03:29] <cafuego_> zer0`: Edit /etc/apt/sources.list and changes all mentions of "warty" to "hoary". Then run 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'
[03:30] <zer0`> thanks :)
[03:30] <Madpilot> erisco: 3dchess - it's in Universe
[03:30] <teimu> can someone paste me the line from thier sources.list. i cant seem to get it to work
[03:30] <erisco> thanks madpilot
[03:30] <Amaranth> hondje: is that why i never see anyone online now?
[03:30] <Amaranth> hondje: they've all moved to 2.0?
[03:30] <bosewicht> anyone know how to fix the ipod being mounted read only from a bad unmount
[03:30] <hondje> Amaranth: yeah, 2 came out right before hoary did :-(
[03:30] <avanspronsen> !backports
[03:30] <ubotu> from memory, backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[03:31] <Amaranth> cafuego: worms is a ripoff of scorched earth if you want to play that game
[03:31] <hondje> Amaranth: 2 is a great improvement too, I have the .deb if you want it
[03:31] <Amaranth> !info bzflag breezy
[03:31] <Amaranth> hondje: please
[03:31] <ubotu> bzflag: (a 3D first person tank battle game), section universe/games, is optional. Version: 2.0.2.20050318ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 7892 kB, Installed size: 11472 kB
[03:31] <erisco> i hope scorch3d is fun
[03:31] <knowledge> Anyone wanna help?
[03:31] <hondje> oh, 2 is in breezy
[03:31] <Zodiac> whoa
[03:31] <Amaranth> oh, so it is
[03:31] <erisco> i mean scorched3d lol
[03:31] <hondje> still want it, Amaranth ?
[03:31] <Amaranth> nope, that's ok
[03:31] <hondje> :-)
[03:31] <Zodiac> there is worms 2 for linux??
[03:31] <Zodiac> how?
[03:31] <erisco> and here comes in 3d chess
[03:32] <glick> anyone know about clientform?
[03:33] <Zodiac> 3D chess rules
[03:33] <erisco> this bzflag.... it is only for breezy?
[03:34] <Zodiac> wait
[03:34] <Madpilot> erisco: no, there's a version in Hoary
[03:34] <Zodiac> how do I get worms 2??
[03:34] <XIII> hi
[03:34] <XIII> how can i setup beep on ubuntu?
[03:34] <erisco> okay i know i am dumb, but how do i start up these little games i downloaded?
[03:35] <Madpilot> erisco: just type the name of the app in a command line, usually
[03:36] <XIII> hello, anyone for help?
[03:36] <Madpilot> I'd heard that *everything* in the Breezy repos is going to have a .desktop file - anyone able to confirm this?
[03:36] <XIII> how can i setup beep on ubuntu?
[03:36] <cafuego_> Zodiac: Find a cat in your neighborhood, lick its behind a few times ;-)
[03:36] <benplaut> Madpilot: ask your brother?
[03:36] <Zodiac> It took you a while to come up with that ;)
[03:36] <cafuego_> Zodiac: No, i was distracted by an in-law ;-)
[03:37] <Zodiac> I dont buy it
[03:37] <cafuego_> I not selling :-P
[03:37] <erisco> what is '3dchess' apt name, 'scorched3d' apt name, and 'bzflag' apt name?
[03:37] <Madpilot> benplaut: that might work... ;)
[03:38] <cafuego_> erisco: "apt-cache search <string>" is your friend.
[03:38] <Madpilot> scorched3d works to start that app
[03:39] <DrCert> ok... lol whats the cool clone of xmms called?
[03:39] <cafuego_> beep-media-player
[03:39] <DrCert> ty
[03:39] <rob^> !bmp
[03:39] <ubotu> bmp is probably a guide to Beep Media Player and Plugins, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeepMediaPlayer
[03:40] <erisco> these apt commands are not working!!
[03:40] <Juhaz> it's not a clone, it's fork </nitpick>
[03:40] <erisco> scorched3d does not work, 3dchess does not work, and bzflag does not work
[03:40] <erisco> app* not apt
[03:41] <knowledge> blah...wifi blows
[03:42] <benplaut> we know it does
[03:42] <knowledge> do you guys think it's my computer that keeps screwing things up? because one day a device will work...and I'll wake up and bamm....nothing
[03:42] <bosewicht> anyone familiar with ipods?
[03:42] <erisco> wha, this isn't cool.
[03:43] <erisco> i spent like 50mb of hard drive space to install games i can't get to run
[03:43] <ray_> kafeine, are you the same person?
[03:43] <ray_> erisco, like what games?
[03:44] <musashi> erisco go to synaptic find your game look at all the files it uses and try typing them at a command line
[03:44] <Madpilot> erisco: scorched3d does indeed work. type that in a regular terminal window, and it'll run
[03:45] <MrThou> While trying to install, when it hits my USB Keyboard/Hub, it just stops. Anyway I can bypass that? Other then using another keyboard?
[03:45] <PM-aSeepin> Hai, fsckers!
[03:45] <erisco> AAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAA!!!! regular terminal window
[03:45] <erisco> not root terminal window
[03:45] <erisco> oopies
[03:45] <Madpilot> is there *ever* a good reason to use a root terminal window?
[03:45] <erisco> okay but bzflags and 3dchess still don't work
[03:45] <erisco> scorched3d does though
[03:46] <Trilobite> Hi guys, if I try the live CD on my box with a wireless adapter, is it likely to be supported (it's a Netgear MA311 which seems to have worked for other Ubuntu users)? And if so, will a proper installation offer the same support?
[03:46] <Madpilot> I think it's just "bzflag" no "s" on the end
[03:46] <musashi> i use root terminal to launch a root nautilus...probably better way though
[03:46] <knowledge> am I still online?
[03:46] <PurpleMotion> I'd say it's pretty likely to be supported
[03:46] <ray_> yes bzflag
[03:47] <bluefoxicy> damnit
[03:47] <Trilobite> ok
[03:47] <bluefoxicy> I need a hierarchial text outliner
[03:47] <Madpilot> "bzflag" just worked here
[03:47] <erisco> madpilot, 90% of the time you have to use one
[03:47] <erisco> at least i find o0
[03:47] <Madpilot> erisco: not if you're using "sudo" instead
[03:47] <erisco> yeah well
[03:47] <Trilobite> i've been playing around with ubuntu on an old laptop and i don't want to go partitioning my main computer yet, i'm really wondering whether wireless support on the live cd is a good guide to wireless support on an installed version
[03:47] <PurpleMotion> what is scorched3d?
[03:48] <PurpleMotion> Tribune: yup
[03:48] <Trilobite> is the live cd essentially identical to the ubuntu you get by installing?
[03:48] <bash> howto install beagle in hoary ?
[03:48] <ray_> how can i set up a shared printer in xfce?
[03:48] <Madpilot> hmm does anyone know why xscreensaver keeps spamming my terminal window with messages?
[03:48] <erisco> lol my grapchics card cannot run scorced3d
[03:48] <PurpleMotion> Tribune: what you see ont he live cd is what you get if you install it
[03:48] <Trilobite> great
[03:48] <erisco> mainly because it doesn't have a 3d accelerator
[03:48] <bash> i need some source list no-official o what ?
[03:48] <PurpleMotion> err Trilobite
[03:48] <spanglesontoast> how can i resize the home partition I made?
[03:48] <PurpleMotion> spanglesontoast: gparted or QTParted
[03:49] <Trilobite> PurpleMotion: thanks for your help, i'll get downloading the live cd then
[03:49] <Madpilot> PurpleMotion: scorched3d is a 3d version of scorched earth - artillery duelling, basically. good fun
[03:49] <PurpleMotion> spanglesontoast: but you have some good luck with that.. it refuses to resize my ext3 partition
[03:49] <spanglesontoast> no it says that they are being used
[03:49] <spanglesontoast> is there no commercial tools that I can use?
[03:49] <PurpleMotion> Does anyone have any experience with growing the BEGINNING of a partition? (eg my free space is BEFORE the partition I want to grow)
[03:49] <kaffeend> anyone in here play America's Army?
[03:49] <PurpleMotion> spanglesontoast: yup. partition magic
[03:50] <spanglesontoast> you have to install that dummy
[03:50] <ray_> kaffeend, I DO
[03:50] <spanglesontoast> I mean't one that runs off a disc
[03:50] <MrThou> Partitian Magic is awesome
[03:50] <benplaut> agreed
[03:50] <kaffeend> ray_ what a coincidence! :P
[03:50] <f_newton> how do you get free space before the partition?
[03:50] <f_newton> erase a partition or something?
[03:50] <kaffeend> ray_ I managed to install it, and even get it to run! :))
[03:51] <spanglesontoast> so you cannot get a disc program that can resize
[03:51] <ray_> kaffeend, so you do have 3d support!!!!
[03:51] <erisco> i still want 3d chess to work hmm
[03:51] <spanglesontoast> a linux partition
[03:51] <PurpleMotion> is there a partition magic that boots from a cd? I dont have a floppy drive, or a windows partition
[03:51] <erisco> i have tried like every combination
[03:51] <kaffeend> ray_ but when I enter my username and password, hit enter, it times out
[03:51] <PurpleMotion> spanglesontoast: parted (the base of qtparted and gparted)
[03:51] <spanglesontoast> well done
[03:51] <MrThou> PurpleMotion: I am rather sure that PM 8.0 had a boot from CD option. But I never used it
[03:52] <PurpleMotion> i told you that to begin with ;)
[03:52] <ray_> kaffeend, user name and passwd in the game?
[03:52] <PurpleMotion> MrThou: but does 8.0 resize ext3?
[03:52] <kaffeend> ray_ yes
[03:52] <erisco> does anyone else know the app command for 3dchess?
[03:52] <kaffeend> ray_ had them send a new one which I tried and it just keeps timing out
[03:52] <spanglesontoast> I have vmware so I'm wondering if I could install it onto a disc?
[03:52] <kaffeend> ray_ maybe it's my firewall?
[03:53] <ray_> kaffeend, i feel bad you have such bad luck
[03:53] <kaffeend> ray_ thanks bud - so do I :(
[03:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm trying to get limewire working, but it says it can't find jamvm
[03:53] <ray_> kaffeend, i have a harware firewall and mine works
[03:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> but i've got it installed.
[03:53] <ray_> BROKEN_LADDER, what happens when you type java from the term?
[03:53] <kaffeend> ray_ damn... dunno what it could be then...
[03:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> it gives me the help
[03:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> usage
[03:54] <Howdy125> PurpleMotion .. PCLinuxOS will let you resize a partiton .. don't know how well it works though ...
[03:54] <ray_> BROKEN_LADDER, really
[03:54] <Xenguy> wow - I don't think I can stand that nick
[03:54] <synd_> BROKEN_LADDER: use gtk-gnutella
[03:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> really
[03:54] <kaffeend> ray_ wonder if it has anything to do with java?
[03:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> synd it doesn't seem very good
[03:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> limewire is so much more featureful it seems
[03:54] <PurpleMotion> Howdy125: it uses parted, which refuses to resize my ext3 partitions
[03:54] <ray_> kaffeend, the americas army game?
[03:54] <kaffeend> ray_ yeah
[03:54] <synd_> BROKEN_LADDER: it runs on same network and downloads just fine
[03:54] <ray_> kaffeend, there is noway
[03:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> it sucks to use though
[03:55] <kaffeend> ray_ never had a problem in windows
[03:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> is there a way to make it do multiple concurrent searches like in limewire?
[03:55] <synd_> BROKEN_LADDER: what more features do you want in a P2P?
[03:55] <ray_> synd_, belive it or not limewire get a ton more results
[03:55] <synd_> ray_: depends on how it is connected.
[03:55] <synd_> limewire is a resource hog
[03:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh..it does do concurrent searches.
[03:55] <erisco> for those of you using limewire, watch out for ABI Networking
[03:55] <Howdy125> PurpleMotion .. ok .. was just a thought ...
[03:56] <erisco> big time virus
[03:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> abi?
[03:56] <ray_> synd_, all i know is that i have them both installed and limewire works better
[03:56] <PurpleMotion> Partition Magic will work
[03:56] <erisco> abi hijacks your internet conenction
[03:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> limewire says it can't find /usr/lib/jamvm or whatever
[03:56] <PurpleMotion> I just have to get creative with vmware
[03:56] <spanglesontoast> purple?
[03:56] <synd_> ray_: you gotta tinker with gtk-gnutella.
[03:56] <spanglesontoast> you said it will work?
[03:56] <PurpleMotion> what?
[03:56] <MrThou> While trying to install, when it hits my USB Keyboard/Hub, it just stops. Anyway I can bypass that? Other then using another keyboard?
[03:57] <erisco> basically on limewire, make sure you don't download something 1kb-50kb
[03:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> synd tell me how one "tinkers"
[03:57] <PurpleMotion> it'll work for me, i dont know about you
[03:57] <ray_> BROKEN_LADDER, did you install java with make-jpkg?
[03:57] <spanglesontoast> so I could infact create a disc?
[03:57] <erisco> because 60% of those files are abi
[03:57] <PurpleMotion> i guess so, it looks to be the case
[03:57] <kaffeend> ray_ so do you think it's an issue outside of Ubuntu/Linux?
[03:57] <spanglesontoast> I haven't tried burning a disc in vmware
[03:57] <PurpleMotion> abi?
[03:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm sharing some live u2 clips and the matrix in ogg theora on gtk-gnutella, but i think no one will download them because they won't know that .ogg doesn't just imply music.
[03:57] <ray_> kaffeend, yeah its probly the AA server
[03:57] <erisco> yes abi networking - a war of direct revenue, or something like that
[03:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> ray_ never heard of make-jpkg
[03:57] <erisco> way* not war lol
[03:57] <PurpleMotion> spanglesontoast: burn the PM iso to cd in linux, then install it in windows
[03:57] <kaffeend> ray_ okay, thanks... I'll keep trying
[03:58] <erisco> anyways....
[03:58] <ray_> BROKEN_LADDER, so how did you install......? just with the .bin file?
[03:58] <spanglesontoast> i don't have windoze installed
[03:58] <kaffeend> ray_ if I still can't play in, say, 10 hours I'm reformatting my HDD and installing windows. :(
[03:58] <spanglesontoast> I have it on vmware
[03:58] <erisco> WHAT IS THE APP COMMAND FOR 3DCHESS?
[03:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> my girlfriend and i broke up today.
[03:58] <spanglesontoast> I want to make room for windoze
[03:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> after 14 mo
[03:58] <erisco> oop, mind the cpas
[03:58] <erisco> caps* forgot they were on
[03:59] <spanglesontoast> ah
[03:59] <spanglesontoast> it doesn't work
[03:59] <erisco> it doesn't work?
[04:00] <musashi> women...can't live with em, can't live with em
[04:00] <f_newton> spanglesontoast, then get a bigger trash can
[04:00] <kaffeend> musashi I thought it was "can't live with 'em, can't kill 'em"?
[04:00] <f_newton> I just spent three hours installing a windows os for a friend of mime
[04:00] <rene> hello all
[04:00] <f_newton> egads what a horrid experience
[04:00] <benplaut> hello
[04:00] <kaffeend> hey rene
[04:01] <f_newton> restart this wait for that....
[04:01] <rene> How do I install KDE on Ubuntu
[04:01] <f_newton> add this and that and a whole lot more
[04:01] <Chaotic_Reality> i'm trying to apt-get build-essential and it asks me to put in the cd every time....why is it doing this, and what can I do to get rid of it? I just now updated my sources.list to the one listed on ubuntuguide.org and did an update. still does it
[04:01] <kaffeend> f_newton sorry I can't agree with you on that.
[04:01] <Madpilot> f_newton: isn't windows fun?
[04:01] <rene> How do I install KDE on Ubuntu????
[04:01] <f_newton> Chaotic_Reality, because there is something on the cd it needs to incorporate it properly
[04:01] <rob^> !kde
[04:01] <ubotu> rob^: Are you smoking crack?
[04:01] <rob^> dam
[04:02] <Chaotic_Reality> rene: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:02] <rob^> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:02] <f_newton> well actually I rather dislike windows
[04:02] <adman> hello, i am getting these errors when installing java root@ubu:~# make -jpkg jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin
[04:02] <f_newton> what cant you agree with kaffeend ?
[04:02] <Chaotic_Reality> f_newton, ok, so how many times is it going to do this? heh
[04:02] <rene> Does not work on my ubuntu.
[04:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> ray_ i installed java with apt-get
[04:02] <JoshRA> adman: why not install via apt-get?
[04:02] <kaffeend> f_newton so do I but I can install it in 20 mins and i can play games 5 minutes after that
[04:02] <f_newton> install the cd and seel
[04:02] <MrThou> Since no one has any help for my USB keyboard question. I shall ask this: Does Ubuntu offer a boot manager?
[04:02] <f_newton> uh see
[04:02] <ray_> kaffeend, are you using gnome?
[04:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> ray_ i also tried installing from java's site using the bin file, pes
[04:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> yes
[04:03] <kaffeend> ray_ yes
[04:03] <f_newton> kaffeend, ok whatever you say
[04:03] <rob^> !extrarepositories
[04:03] <ubotu> rob^: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[04:03] <rob^> !factoids
[04:03] <ubotu> somebody said factoids was at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:03] <kaffeend> f_newton I'm just having a LOT of trouble with Linux so far
[04:03] <rob^> !list
[04:03] <ubotu> list is, like, at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[04:03] <Madpilot> ubotu tell adman about java
[04:03] <rene> Get app Install kubuntu-desktop Does not work on my ubuntu.
[04:03] <f_newton> I bet
[04:03] <avanspronsen> MrThou: What are you looking for?
[04:03] <ray_> BROKEN_LADDER, with apt-get .......what is the name of the package?
[04:04] <JoshRA> http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[04:04] <benplaut> !kde
[04:04] <ubotu> I guess kde is if you prefer KDE over Gnome, you don't have to resinstall using Kubuntu. just "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", then select KDE from the Session menu when logging in
[04:04] <levander> Anybody here know how to indent a block of python code automatically in emacs? py-indent-region is not working for me.
[04:04] <benplaut> much better
[04:04] <erisco> who plays 3d chess here?
[04:04] <MrThou> Avanspronsen: On what level? The boot manager, or the USB problem
[04:04] <JoshRA> adman: http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[04:04] <benplaut> erisco: i play regular chess :P
[04:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> ray_ jamvm
[04:04] <f_newton> I play free cell does that count?
[04:04] <ray_> erisco, where can i get 3d chess?
[04:04] <avanspronsen> MrThou: boot manager? something like BUM?
[04:04] <rene> Get app Install kubuntu-desktop Does not work on my ubuntu. WHAT SHOULD I DO?
[04:05] <ray_> BROKEN_LADDER, yeah that is your problem
[04:05] <JoshRA> rene: chill on the caps
[04:05] <Madpilot> damn, who screwed up ubotu's Java entry? it's insanely long & complex now - it should just point to the wiki page...
[04:05] <JoshRA> rene: did you look at ubuntu.com
[04:05] <JoshRA> it is kubuntu
[04:05] <f_newton> rene apt-get install kde or kde-groupware?
[04:05] <JoshRA> do apt-get install kubuntu
[04:05] <ray_> rene, its apt-get
[04:05] <MrThou> Avanspronsen: Well, I do not wish to rid myself of my windows partition due to I have alot of crap on here I want.
[04:05] <benplaut> !tell rene about kde
[04:05] <rene> Ok, I will try that now
[04:05] <JoshRA> !kubuntu
[04:05] <ubotu> kubuntu is, like, the KDE version of Ubuntu. Go to #kubuntu for Kubuntu support. Site: http://kubuntu.org
[04:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> ray_ that's my problem?
[04:05] <sun> !ubotu
[04:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> ray_ huh?
[04:05] <ubotu> ubotu is probably uh... Thaaat's me! I'm a bot. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add".
[04:05] <MrThou> Avanspronsen: So, I wish to multiboot
[04:06] <avanspronsen> MrThou: no problem, do you have ubuntu already installed?
[04:06] <ray_> BROKEN_LADDER, yes that is your problem
[04:06] <ray_> BROKEN_LADDER, yes that is your proble
[04:06] <ray_> BROKEN_LADDER, you need the official java packages
[04:06] <MrThou> avanspronsen: Nope. I cant install it at the moment. It freezes once it hits my USB keyboard. Well, once it detects there is a USB Hub in it
[04:07] <glick> hmm how do you bookmark a page in firefox?
[04:07] <JoshRA> ctrl-b
[04:07] <HrdwrBoB> .. bookmarks
[04:07] <HrdwrBoB> .. add
[04:07] <JoshRA> or bookmarks add
[04:07] <HrdwrBoB> it's highly complicated
[04:07] <benplaut> ctrl+d
[04:07] <JoshRA> oty os ctrl-D
[04:07] <Madpilot> cafuego_: you around? was wondering why ubotu's Java entry isn't just pointing to the wiki anymore...
[04:07] <avanspronsen> OK, MrThou Do you have an available aprtition in addition to your windows partition?
[04:07] <glick> HrdwrBoB, in my booksmarks tab there is no add option
[04:08] <HrdwrBoB> glick: oh sorry it's called "bookmark this page"
[04:08] <HrdwrBoB> how non obvious
[04:08] <musashi> just say no to java
[04:08] <MrThou> avanspronsen: Nope, I'm assuming Ubuntu has a partitioner. All the other distros I've attempted did.
[04:08] <ray_> no java is a MUST
[04:08] <glick> HrdwrBoB, yeah its gone :(
[04:08] <Madpilot> java is a nessesary evil - but it's not hard to install with the right instructions...
[04:09] <glick> i dont have a "bookmark this page" option under bookmarks
[04:09] <ray_> easy to install
[04:09] <avanspronsen> Once you install Ubuntu it will install GRUB. GRUB will detect windows and put an entry for both Ubuntu and your Windows partition
[04:09] <Madpilot> ubotu tell ray_ about java
[04:09] <musashi> java...must...necessary...how?
[04:09] <Tribune> what is kubuntu guide website?
[04:09] <rob^> !java
[04:09] <ray_> Madpilot, why did you do that?
[04:09] <MrThou> avanspronsen: Excellent. Now to get around the keyboard problem ;) I shall go use my old keyboard for the moment.
[04:10] <rene> Hello'
[04:10] <benplaut> !java
[04:10] <benplaut> already asked...
[04:10] <Madpilot> ray_: sorry, just wanted to showyou how mesed up ubotu's java entry has become... it's not that complex..
[04:10] <rob^> grr
[04:10] <rene> How do I Install KDE on my Ubuntu System
[04:10] <rob^> musashi, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:10] <ray_> Madpilot, oh sorry i should have read
[04:10] <avanspronsen> MrThou: good luck!
[04:10] <rene> I am new to linux
[04:11] <musashi> sudo apt-get install kunbuntu-desktop
[04:11] <jasmuz> rene: sudo apt-get install kde-desktop
[04:11] <ray_> ubotu tell rene about kde
[04:11] <Trilobite> rene: how about telling the helpful people what error message you get when you try the apt-get line they suggested
[04:11] <jrattner1> will the debian package from http://kde-bluetooth.sourceforge.net/ work on ubuntu?
[04:11] <rob^> jrattner1, maybe but I wouldn't install it
[04:11] <jrattner1> rob^, would you recomend a build from source?
[04:12] <rob^> are you sure its not in the Ubuntu repositories?
[04:12] <jasmuz> jrattner1: better to build from sources than install from another system
[04:12] <jrattner1> rob^, i doubt it
[04:12] <rob^> jrattner1, whats the package name?
[04:12] <rene> The message is Couldnt find package kde-desktop
[04:12] <jrattner1> kdebluetooth
[04:12] <yyc747> how is ubuntu in terms of connecting via ppp? what is a good dialer to use (I've heard kppp is good, but I'd rather not use KDE stuff)?
[04:12] <rob^> rene, its kubuntu-desktop
[04:12] <kaffeend> ray_ with AA I entered a wrong password and still it times out... Any ideas?
[04:13] <jasmuz> yyc747: ubuntu is nice under PPP, im on dialup as we speak
[04:13] <musashi> its kubuntu-desktop
[04:13] <rene> Same message but kubuntu-desktop
[04:13] <musashi> if you cant find it you need to edit your sources.list
[04:13] <Xenguy> yyc747: pppconfig is worth a try also
[04:14] <cafuego_> yyc747: Just use 'pon' after running pppconfig
[04:14] <cafuego_> yyc747: if you have untimed calls, just make it dial at bootup
[04:14] <rob^> jrattner1, try the one from Breezy: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=kdebluetooth&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all
[04:14] <yyc747> cafuego_: is pppconfig installed by default?
[04:14] <cafuego_> yyc747: I think so, yes.
[04:14] <rob^> horay doesn't have it
[04:14] <Xenguy> yyc747: dpkg -l pppconfig
[04:15] <Scythe> is there a way to boot into a live system from the install dvd??
[04:15] <jrattner1> rob^, should i download it with synaptic
[04:15] <kaffeend> does anyone know of a game that runs fine on Ubuntu for amd64?
[04:15] <rene> rob, same message, but kubuntu-desktop
[04:15] <yyc747> Xenguy: well, I'm not at the computer in question right now, or in a place where I need to use dialup... but I will be soon
[04:15] <Scythe> kafeend frozen bubble??
[04:15] <kaffeend> with nVidia card, that is
[04:15] <rob^> jrattner1, you wont be able to
[04:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> ray_ i did install the official package i thought. i installed that .bin
[04:15] <rob^> just download the .deb
[04:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> ray_ where do i get these "official" packages?
[04:15] <kaffeend> Scythe no offense but I kinda meant #D games
[04:15] <jrattner1> rob^, so download it manually and then how do i install it?
[04:15] <yyc747> cafuego_: can you add pon to the startup with rc.d-update?
[04:15] <dadio> kaffeend, americas army game works, its in synaptic
[04:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> rob^ who are you talking to?
[04:16] <Scythe> it was a joke anyways kaff
[04:16] <rob^> jrattner1, dpkg -i package.deb
[04:16] <ray_> BROKEN_LADDER, i thought you said you got it from apt?
[04:16] <kaffeend> dadio I'm specifically having trouble with America's Army
[04:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> jrattner1 my old room mate is named jay wratten
[04:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> ray_ and i also installed the .bin too.
[04:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> neither seemed to work
[04:16] <rob^> BROKEN_LADDER, jrattner1
[04:16] <kaffeend> Scythe - I figured that ;)
[04:17] <Scythe> is there a livedvd or livecd for ubuntu... need to do some recovery work on a windows system
[04:17] <ray_> BROKEN_LADDER, ok...there is a way to do this i promise
[04:17] <dadio> kaffeend, I installed ubuntu with the i386 kernel and I run armyops with no problem
[04:17] <rene> rob^, It does not work. It gives me the message couldnt find package kubuntu-desktop
[04:17] <ray_> BROKEN_LADDER, do you still have the .bin file
[04:17] <kaffeend> dadio I have amd 64
[04:17] <rob^> rene, you need to enable the extra repositories
[04:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> lemme see
[04:17] <dadio> kaffeend, so do I
[04:17] <rene> rob^, How do I do that
[04:17] <Snippy> heya
[04:17] <rob^> !repo
[04:17] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, rob^
[04:17] <Snippy> how can I determine my ethernet adress?
[04:17] <rob^> dam it
[04:17] <jrattner1> rob^, i dont get how to do that....when i click the link it brings me to a list of contenets
[04:17] <Scythe> rene, are you trying to install kde???
[04:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin
[04:18] <Snippy> please help me
[04:18] <Snippy> how can I determine my ethernet adress?
[04:18] <Scythe> just apt get kde
[04:18] <rene> YES
[04:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> Snippy ifconfig eth0
[04:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> Snippy go to whatismyip.com
[04:18] <ray_> BROKEN_LADDER, ok do you have multiverse in your sources.list
[04:18] <rob^> wiki.ubuntu.com/ExtraRepositories
[04:18] <musashi> suppository?
[04:18] <Snippy> nono
[04:18] <kaffeend> dadio you said you have the i386 kernel - I don't have it - I have the amd64 kernel
[04:18] <Snippy> not the ip
[04:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> ray_ surely
[04:18] <Scythe> rene the command is sudo apt-get install kde
[04:18] <Scythe> that worked for me
[04:18] <rene> Ok , I will try
[04:18] <ray_> BROKEN_LADDER, so do an apt-get install java-package
[04:18] <bimberi> Snippy: ifconfig (look for HWaddr)
[04:18] <MrThou> sigh
[04:18] <Snippy> Ethernet addresses are 48-bit addresses which are hardwired into the electronics of the Ethernet board of the network device. The address is usually written in hexadecimal form (e.g. 006097981E6B). The first three (leftmost) bytes of the address are unique to the manufacturer of the board. The last three (rightmost) bytes are assigned by the manufacturer. All six bytes uniquely identify the network device.
[04:19] <jrattner1> rob^, any thoughts?
[04:19] <rob^> rene, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[04:19] <dadio> kaffeend, I have tried both, I have almost everything working with the i386 kernel including the nvidia driver and armyops
[04:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> ray_ this is freakin HUGE!
[04:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> like half a meg!
[04:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> i only have a 20mb hd
[04:19] <rob^> jrattner1, download the .deb from that site, open up a terminal, type: dpkg -i package.deb
[04:19] <kaffeend> dadio so I should install the 32 bit Ubuntu?
[04:19] <Snippy> thanks bimberi
[04:19] <MrThou> ata1: command 0xa0 timeout, stat 0xa0 host_stat0x21 --> frozen. Wow, Im just not ment to use linux
[04:19] <ray_> BROKEN_LADDER, it shouldnt be
[04:19] <dadio> kaffeend, it works for me
[04:19] <bimberi> Snippy: yw :)
[04:20] <rob^> kafeine, most likely
[04:20] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: I will mail you a 500mb hard drive if you will be quiet
[04:20] <ray_> BROKEN_LADDER, 20 megs!
[04:20] <kaffeend> MrThou same here bud - you're not alone
[04:20] <rene> Message Kde Not available
[04:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> ls: /usr/lib/j*: No such file or directory
[04:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> OOPS, unable to locate java exec in /usr/lib/ hierarchy
[04:20] <jrattner1> rob^, there is no deb package, just a link to add to sources
[04:20] <rob^> jrattner1, http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/kdebluetooth/kdebluetooth_0.99+1.0beta1-2ubuntu1_i386.deb
[04:20] <MrThou> Kaffeend: Looks like we suck ;P
[04:20] <rob^> its there
[04:20] <rob^> you have to click a few links to get it
[04:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh...no i was wrong. it's 250gb
[04:20] <yyc747> cafuego_: can pon be added to startup like everything else (rc.d-update)?
[04:21] <kaffeend> so I need to run a 32 bit OS on my 64 bit machine? Why did I move from Windows?
[04:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> beos could run on a 100mb hd
[04:21] <jrattner1> ok
[04:21] <Syco54645> is there an equiveland of fruityloops for linux?
[04:21] <rob^> kaffeend, both will run
[04:21] <jasmuz> kaffeend: because win blows
[04:21] <kaffeend> MrThou but I think we are in the majority - that's why windows users rarely move
[04:21] <benplaut> Syco: peppermints
[04:21] <Syco54645> BROKEN_LADDER, check out zeta os... its the new beos
[04:22] <Syco54645> benplaut, thanks
[04:22] <kaffeend> jasmuz maybe for you but at least it plays my games without having to write scripts for them
[04:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> for a great majority of OS operations, 64-bitness doesn't make sense. it's just extra decoding time
[04:22] <rene> I Have not been able to install KDE desktop on my Ubuntu, Help please
[04:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> Syco54645 i'm well aware of it.
[04:22] <rob^> kaffeend, you would obviously use the AMD 64 version on an AMD 64 machine
[04:22] <Syco54645> BROKEN_LADDER, have you tried it yet?
[04:22] <benplaut> Syco: i was kidding
[04:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> Syco54645 but it still isn't multi-user, nor does it have any serious home recording apps. :(
[04:22] <HrdwrBoB> rene: get kubuntu then
[04:22] <jasmuz> kaffeend: dont whine over games, if you are a true computer user you wont mind much
[04:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> Syco54645 nah, but i'll buy it once it gets multi-user and some decent home recording multi-tracking stuff like Ardour
[04:22] <kaffeend> rob^ dadio says I don't
[04:22] <Syco54645> benplaut, yes i know. i knew of one and that wasnt the name
[04:23] <rene> There is no other Way?
[04:23] <MrThou> Jasmuz: WTF is a 'true computer user"?
[04:23] <HrdwrBoB> jasmuz: don't be so obtuse
[04:23] <dadio> the amd64 runs faster because it has twice as many memory pipes between the cpu and the memory
[04:23] <kaffeend> jasmuz sorry?
[04:23] <cafuego_> yyc747: /etc/init.d/ppp handles that, but is is deprecated. You cna add ppp0 to /etc/network/interfaces instead :-)
[04:23] <rob^> dadio, is wrong, both version will work on an AMD 64 machine
[04:23] <rene> Hrdwrbob, there is no other way?
[04:23] <Syco54645> BROKEN_LADDER, i downloaded it a whilst back to try it out to see if i wanted to buy it, never got to trying it yet
[04:23] <jasmuz> nevermind.
[04:23] <arpwatch> I don't suppose anyone could help me with sending mail via postfix?
[04:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> downloaded it?!
[04:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> Syco54645 what are you talking about?
[04:23] <HrdwrBoB> rene: you can get the package kde-base I think
[04:23] <kaffeend> jasmuz I truly am using a computer right now
[04:23] <MrThou> But none the less, anyone have any idea what "ata1: command 0xa0 timeout, stat 0xa0 host_stat0x21" would mean, any why it freezes my install?
[04:23] <HrdwrBoB> rene: try #kubuntu
[04:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> Syco54645 you mean beos max or whatever?
[04:24] <dadio> I never said the 64bit version wouldnt work I said armyops wont work with the 64bit version
[04:24] <HrdwrBoB> MrThou: it means there is hardware problem
[04:24] <musashi> i truly am a computer user
[04:24] <kaffeend> jasmuz and I do mind that much right now
[04:24] <Syco54645> BROKEN_LADDER, yeah isnt that supposed to be like zeta?
[04:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> Syco54645 well, zeta has a vastly improved set of drivers and such
[04:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> Syco54645 zeta has undergone significant changes.
[04:24] <MrThou> HrdwrBoB. Do we know what kind of hardware problem? Or, should I try again, and check out the lines above to get an idea?
[04:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> Syco54645 beos will probably only run on 4-year old hardware
[04:25] <arpwatch> Anyone know why email would be queueing up and not sending in postfix on a new install of ubuntu?
[04:25] <Syco54645> BROKEN_LADDER, i really liked beos, but that was just me
[04:25] <kaffeend> dadio ok, but someone else was telling me how well it runs on his 64 bit system
[04:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> Syco54645 i used beos for four years
[04:25] <HrdwrBoB> MrThou: hard drive
[04:25] <HrdwrBoB> MrThou: it looks like
[04:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> beos was the best os ever
[04:25] <Syco54645> does anyone know what the animal crossing clone for linux is called
[04:25] <Syco54645> BROKEN_LADDER, yeah how is the open beos coming along?
[04:25] <MrThou> HrdwrBoB: I must disagree with that diagnosis... Just based on the fact my HDD is two months old, and working fine :P
[04:25] <jrattner1> rob^, it had dependency problems how do i remove it?
[04:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> Syco54645 uhh..not all that great. haiku is what it's called
[04:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> you can google it
[04:26] <Kanbeki> Quake 3 Has lagged audio with aRTSd and no audio with polypaudiod, any suggestions? and I've read the howto on the forums
[04:26] <HrdwrBoB> MrThou: ...
[04:26] <rob^> jrattner1, apt-get remove kdebluetooth
[04:26] <HrdwrBoB> MrThou: I'm diagnosing the error message
[04:26] <HrdwrBoB> not your hardware
[04:26] <HrdwrBoB> it could be a problem with the driver
[04:26] <HrdwrBoB> your hard drive could be dying
[04:26] <HrdwrBoB> or it could be a controller problem
[04:26] <dadio> kaffeend, if someone got armyops running on a amd64 bit kernel my hat is off to them
[04:26] <HrdwrBoB> or a problem with your CDROM
[04:26] <lamont> arpwatch: I expect that /var/log/mail.log would have an idea...
[04:26] <arpwatch> k
[04:26] <HrdwrBoB> dadio: kernel yes, system no
[04:26] <MrThou> HrdwrBoB: Well, it appears Linux still isnt user friendly enough for me. I shall try again in a year, Thansk
[04:26] <Syco54645> BROKEN_LADDER, to my knowlege, they zeta was using parts of haiku
[04:26] <MrThou> Thansk
[04:26] <MrThou> Dammit.. THANKS
[04:27] <nada> hello. i have ubuntu hoary with an asus p4p800-e with onboard digital audio. i can get vlc to output to the s/pdif device, but not xine. anyone know where i can get config information?
[04:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> Syco54645 no..that's not really true.
[04:27] <rob^> jrattner1, the other package may work, if not build it from source. Breezy is due to be released soon, which will have it included
[04:27] <kaffeend> dadio I can run it, but when I go to enter my username and password in-game it times out
[04:27] <jrattner1> rob^, i wish it worked damn
[04:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> Syco54645 they used a bit of code from some app, but not the os itself i don't think.
[04:27] <Syco54645> BROKEN_LADDER, i thought that the yellow cab site said that
[04:27] <rene_> HOW do I Install KDE on my ubuntu 5.04 for intel systems
[04:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> Syco54645 i'm referring to what they said on their site
[04:27] <kaffeend> dadio but it starts up just fine
[04:27] <jrattner1> rob^, when is breezy do out?
[04:27] <arpwatch> lamont, it just says the same thing mailq said, "Connection timed out" on all attempts
[04:27] <Syco54645> BROKEN_LADDER, yeah that is what i mean. like the shutdown thing
[04:27] <cafuego_> rene_: install "kubuntu-desktop"
[04:27] <lee> hello all
[04:27] <arpwatch> I can send mail perfectly fine locally though
[04:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> does anyone know what i have to install to have java complete and on my system?
[04:27] <rene_> Did not work
[04:27] <dadio> kaffeend, you are running version 2.3 correct?
[04:27] <rob^> rene_, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[04:27] <lamont> arpwatch: that sounds like firewall issues
[04:28] <kaffeend> dadio yes
[04:28] <rob^> rene_, then do: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:28] <lee> does anybody know what gamin/gam_server is, why it keeps jumping to 100% cpu usage, if it's essential to GNOME or not, and if not, how the bloody hell do you turn it off?
[04:28] <cafuego_> yyc747: Have a look at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1033
[04:28] <arpwatch> I see, I didn't think I would need to have port 25 open to send mail out though?
[04:28] <dadio> kaffeend, have you tried disabling your firewall?
[04:28] <nada> BROKEN_LADDER: installed java:
[04:28] <nada> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[04:28] <nada> add these to /etc/apt/sources.list:
[04:28] <nada> ## Backports
[04:28] <nada> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[04:28] <nada> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[04:28] <Syco54645> BROKEN_LADDER, there is the sun java on the sun site, that is always what i used in other distros
[04:28] <nada> run:
[04:28] <nada> sudo apt-get install sun-j2sdk1.5
[04:28] <cafuego_> nada: Do not paste here.
[04:28] <MrThou> well. Im off again. I may be back later.
[04:28] <kaffeend> dadio no but I thought that might be it - but I don't know how to disable it
[04:28] <rob^> nada, dont advise people to use the unofficial backports
[04:29] <rob^> !backports
[04:29] <ubotu> methinks backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[04:29] <kaffeend> dadio I'm a week old n00b
[04:29] <cafuego_> !ppp_on_boot is http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1033
[04:29] <ubotu> okay, cafuego_
[04:29] <dadio> kaffeend, look under the gnome menu for firestarter thats shoud be the firewall
[04:29] <jrattner1> rob^, when does the new version set for release?
[04:29] <arpwatch> lamont, I'm not sure what ubuntu uses for the default firewall? I've searched around the system/applications at the top with no luck
[04:29] <rob^> jrattner1, about a months time
[04:30] <dadio> kaffeend, its under system tools
[04:30] <lamont> arpwatch: I meant upstream firewall
[04:30] <lamont> there isn't a firewall on the stock ubuntu, there's just nothing listening on reachable ports
[04:30] <jrattner1> hmm thats when i go to school
[04:30] <rob^> jrattner1, sorry, I ment 2 months time
[04:30] <kaffeend> dadio I can't find it there...
[04:31] <jrattner1> rob^, you ever use bluetooth from
[04:31] <jrattner1> ubuntu
[04:31] <dadio> kaffeend, darn thats where it is on my gnome menu
[04:31] <arpwatch> lamont, I haven't used linux in 7 years(didn't know much then either), care to toss me a howto or some more info?
[04:31] <flodine> help guys getting a xopendisplay not found in lx11
[04:31] <rob^> jrattner1, no
[04:31] <flodine> anyone
[04:31] <cafuego_> flodine: xlibs-dev
[04:32] <jrattner1> hmm
[04:32] <cafuego_> flodine: what are you trying to compile anyway?
[04:32] <jrattner1> damn
[04:32] <flodine> fluxter
[04:32] <kaffeend> dadio I have Network Tools
[04:33] <dadio> kaffeend, on mine its between file browser and floppy formatter on the systems tools menu
[04:33] <kaffeend> dadio no gap on mine
[04:34] <kaffeend> dadio synaptic time
[04:34] <adman_> hello, how do you change bin to .deb
[04:34] <dadio> kaffeend, where did you install armyops?
[04:35] <kaffeend> dadio to the desktop
[04:35] <Kanbeki> Does anyone know how to mount MDF images
[04:35] <linfreak> i am using fluxbox and i saw a pic of a menu like thing on a screenshot of someone elses appilications, it looked kind of like the macOSx toolbar of the most used applications, any idea how to get it?
[04:35] <dadio> kaffeend, try putting it in /usr/local/bin and installing it from there. you may be having permissions problems
[04:35] <seth_k> Kanbeki, you can't, but you can use http://developer.berlios.de/projects/mdf2iso/
[04:35] <flodine> cafuego getting -bash:grcat: command not found
[04:35] <seth_k> Kanbeki, that will convert mdf to iso
[04:36] <benplaut> adman_: you can't...
[04:36] <Kanbeki> Thank You.
[04:36] <flodine> anyone
[04:36] <flodine> seen that
[04:36] <flodine> while compl
[04:37] <Syco54645> question all
[04:37] <flodine> cafuego getting -bash:grcat: command not found
[04:37] <Syco54645> how well can a game be displayed via vnc
[04:37] <Syco54645> i have never tried it
[04:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> nada that linked saved the day. thanks
[04:37] <direwolf> good question
[04:38] <glick> hey when i get junk mail in evolution i mark it as junk and it disappears, doesnt evolution try to learn from what i mark as junk and starts filtering it automatically?
[04:38] <flodine> help guys having problem doing make when installing tar file
[04:38] <Syco54645> because i am beginning to do video stuff again and it would be really nice to have a windows box here for me to do the work on with my linux machine as the front end and the back end an old p3 with vnc server on it
[04:38] <kaffeend> dadio well, I installed Firestarter and stopped firewall, but that didn't make any diff so now I'll try moving it like you said.
[04:38] <Syco54645> flodine, what do you mean?
[04:39] <guardianx> can someone help me locate a build in vid card for a compaq sr1010z ?
[04:39] <adman_> benplaut: Then where do you download the deb version of java 1.5?
[04:39] <kaffeend> dadio except I don't have /usr/local/bin
[04:39] <flodine> Syco54645 i cant do make
[04:39] <guardianx> can someone help me locate ad linux driver a build in vid card for a compaq sr1010z ?
[04:39] <Syco54645> flodine, a make on what?
[04:39] <flodine> Syco54645 on a tar file
[04:39] <dadio> kaffeend, I always put my apps there first, that way I always know where they are, and there are no permissions problems
[04:39] <youngcoder> gaurdianx, did you google it?
[04:39] <Syco54645> flodine, did you untar and ungz/bz it?
[04:40] <guardianx> i dont know the keyword to goggle
[04:40] <flodine> yes
[04:40] <Syco54645> flodine, did you type ./configure?
[04:40] <flodine> yes
[04:40] <Syco54645> flodine, did it complete successfully?
[04:40] <flodine> yes
[04:40] <youngcoder> gaurdianx, type sr1010z linux driver build and see what u find
[04:40] <flodine> getting -bash:grcat: command not found
[04:40] <Syco54645> flodine, what package and did you read the README? some packages use scons
[04:40] <kaffeend> dadio there is no /local in my /usr dir
[04:40] <dadio> kaffeend, really?
[04:41] <MrThou> HrdwrBoB: Does the line "Elevator: using anticipatory as a default io scheduler" mean anything? As it the line above, and hangs on for a few second before giving me the second error. Also, nothing else looks all the terrible.
[04:41] <kaffeend> dadio really
[04:41] <MrThou> As in, no errors
[04:41] <Syco54645> flodine, then apt-get install grcat
[04:41] <dadio> never heard of that, anyway I have to leave, good luck to you
[04:41] <kaffeend> dadio thanks
[04:41] <HrdwrBoB> MrThou: not really
[04:41] <guardianx> can someone help me locate ad linux driver a build in vid card for a compaq sr1010z ?
[04:41] <Syco54645> flodine, nvm not inm the packages. i would suggest reading the readme
[04:42] <kaffeend> well that was helpful
[04:42] <MrThou> I have a dream, and that dream is someday. I'll get a linux installation that works.
[04:42] <youngcoder> lol
[04:42] <kaffeend> MrThou can we dream together?
[04:42] <flodine> Syco54645 apt cant find it
[04:42] <ray_> kaffeend, you did something to terribly mess up your system because /local is there by default
[04:42] <MrThou> Kaffeend: Are you a hot naked chick?
[04:42] <Syco54645> flodine, i know i just said that
[04:42] <ray_> My linux works flawless
[04:43] <Syco54645> flodine, read the faqs and the readme
[04:43] <kaffeend> MrThou in your dreams :P
[04:43] <youngcoder> kaffeend you need to re-install
[04:43] <rob^> MrThou, try: sudo apt-get hot-babe
[04:43] <MrThou> Kaffeend: Then we can dream togeather ;)
[04:43] <rob^> MrThou, try: sudo apt-get install hot-babe
[04:43] <ray_> yeah kafeend reinstall
[04:43] <Syco54645> MrThou, my dream is that someday i wont crash windows just when i move shit around
[04:43] <kaffeend> ray_ I haven't done anything because I don't know what to do
[04:43] <ray_> kafeine, its in there by default
[04:43] <ray_> kaffeend, you need to reinstall
[04:43] <MrThou> Syco54645: I'd ask if we could trade machines. But mine is still almost top of the line
[04:43] <cafuego_> dude
[04:44] <guardianx> how do i install an .exe in linux??
[04:44] <ray_> MrThou, what do you have?
[04:44] <jtan325> guardianx, you don't....
[04:44] <rob^> guardianx, use wine
[04:44] <kaffeend> MrThou you can play with your incredibly easy and straightforward Ubuntu distro while I oil you up with my perfect breasts!
[04:44] <ray_> guardianx, are you kidding?
[04:44] <MrThou> Ray_: p4 3.0ghz, 1024 ram, radion 9800pro, audigy 2 sound card.
[04:44] <youngcoder> ray_, lol
[04:44] <Syco54645> MrThou, no i crash any windows... i just did today on campus even. it sucks at work because i will be updating the webserver and bam
[04:44] <Syco54645> dead
[04:45] <kaffeend> ray_ I know, but for some reason I can't boot my windows xp cd
[04:45] <jtan325> nice Syco54645
[04:45] <guardianx> i meant to say how do i extra a .exe file
[04:45] <guardianx> extract
[04:45] <benplaut> you can't...
[04:45] <rob^> exescope
[04:45] <ray_> MrThou, ooooo i got p4 3.5 ghz
[04:45] <rob^> can
[04:45] <ray_> kaffeend, no i mean reinstall ubuntu
[04:45] <deltab> guardianx: a self-extracting zip file?
[04:45] <kaffeend> ray_ um, I don't think so
[04:45] <Seabook> Hello.
[04:45] <MrThou> Syco54645: Cool. I generally dont crash windows. Nor get spyware/viri. But I generally know what I'm doing. Im just a slow learner. I learn by doing. and if I cant install, i cant do ;P
[04:46] <ray_> kaffeend, you not being able to boot xp is a hardware problem
[04:46] <deltab> guardianx: try unzip
[04:46] <kaffeend> ray_ it's been 1 hellova week so far
[04:46] <ray_> kaffeend, try mepis
[04:46] <MrThou> Raye_: Nice. Im poor, and honestly, the 3.0 is all I really need ;)
[04:46] <rob^> those people having trouble install Ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
[04:46] <guardianx> how do i unzip in ubuntu?
[04:46] <kaffeend> ray_ no more distro tryouts for me
[04:46] <guardianx> can i install winrar in ubuntu?
[04:46] <ray_> kaffeend, yeah go back to winblows
[04:46] <rob^> guardianx, yes
[04:46] <MrThou> guardianx: Yup
[04:46] <ray_> guardianx, NO
[04:47] <Seabook> It's possible to browse the ubuntu package repositories from the web browser, right? What's the address again? I forgot.
[04:47] <ray_> why would you want winrar?
[04:47] <rob^> unzip, unzips .zip files in Linux
[04:47] <benplaut> OK, 2 yes's and one no
[04:47] <kaffeend> ray_ if this distro won't work I'm reformatting the HDD and going back to windows I'm afraid
[04:47] <bimberi> Seabook: http://packages.ubuntu.com
[04:47] <flodine> what does it mean ewhen it says......make: *** [all-recursive] Broken pipe
[04:47] <rob^> packages.ubuntu.com
[04:47] <^thehatsrule^> guardianx: yes thru wine, use unrar/p7zip if not
[04:47] <Seabook> thanks. :)
[04:47] <ray_> get unrar
[04:47] <ray_> why would you run windows apps in linux?
[04:47] <pavan> Hi guys , any idea abt realpllayer 10 on latest ubuntu..I loaded it but it just don't work.
[04:48] <guardianx> how do i use wine in ubuntu?
[04:48] <MrThou> ray_: Possably becuase winrar is the best zipping program for windows. Says it has a linux install too.
[04:48] <kaffeend> ray_ I'm not
[04:48] <kaffeend> ray_ sorry I thought that was for me
[04:48] <ray_> MrThou, oh it has a linux install!!!!
[04:48] <ray_> in that case
[04:48] <adman_> MrThou: you hit the nail right on the head, I heard Greeeeaaat things about linux especially ubuntu. Basic things seem to require an MSc degree. Cant download and install simple apps
[04:48] <flodine> what does it mean when it says......make: *** [all-recursive] Broken pipe?
[04:49] <helfire> why's gaim at 1.1.4 when 1.4.0 is out?
[04:49] <kaffeend> adman_ you said it right there!
[04:49] <rob^> adman_, its just different to Windows, no need for the MSc
[04:49] <ray_> what????? this confuses the hell out of me ....i have found that installing apps is ten times easier in linux
[04:49] <glick> what does evolution do with mail i mark as junk?
[04:49] <kaffeend> ray_ how???
[04:49] <youngcoder> adman_, i find apps easier to install in linux by far
[04:49] <adman_> what?
[04:50] <youngcoder> if you read up on linux it is better
[04:50] <deltab> flodine: I think it means that make was trying to write through a pipe to another process, but that process ended without reading everythign make had to say
[04:50] <rob^> "apt-get install app" is much easier then installing apps in Windows
[04:50] <f_newton> is there a doc that explains the command line configuration tools in ubuntu?
[04:50] <pavan> Hi , anyone can help me in runing realplayer on ubuntu5.04
[04:50] <kaffeend> ray_ in windows I click install and it installs...
[04:50] <ray_> yes installing apps is a breeze
[04:50] <youngcoder> but if you just install it and start messing with stuff you wont get anywhere
[04:50] <adman_> trying to install java, I got in this channel 6 diffent methods within the last 2 hours and none og them worked.
[04:50] <pavan> I installed but it doesnot start
[04:50] <rob^> kaffeend, but you have to find and download it first, in Linux you dont
[04:50] <MrThou> youngcoder/ray_: Im rather confused by that statement. Windows > double click. linux > "apt-get install app" Sorry dudes. Windows wins for ease ;)
[04:50] <ray_> kaffeend, i think you should use windows then
[04:51] <kaffeend> ray_ you want me to leave so soon? :P
[04:51] <youngcoder> MrThou, Windows also wins for spyware and lots of crappy problems
[04:51] <rob^> obviously those people who beleave installing applcations in Linux is harder then Windows have never tried Linux
[04:51] <ray_> MrThou, as far as getting the software and not having to navigate sites to find it...linux is def easier
[04:51] <guardianx> windows doesnt have spyware if u know what ur doing....
[04:51] <ray_> MY ASS
[04:52] <youngcoder> lol
[04:52] <f_newton> guardianx, bull
[04:52] <guardianx> have a router disable java and active x and u will never get spyware
[04:52] <f_newton> guardianx, bull
[04:52] <MrThou> I refuse to have a windows/linux arguement in here ;P
[04:52] <guardianx> it is not bull it is true
[04:52] <youngcoder> gaurdianx, you dont know what you are talking about
[04:52] <ray_> USE WINDOWS IF YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO COME IN HERE AND SAY HOW GREAT IT IS
[04:52] <guardianx> get firefox + no script + a linksys router = no spyware for window
[04:52] <adman_> I dont have SPYWARE on windows I know what to do to get around that stuff. Get a good combo of apps to do the job.
[04:52] <f_newton> only kiddie scripters do it in macro or java
[04:53] <rob^> ok guys, lets stop feeding the trolls
[04:53] <MrThou> Guardianx: Sorry man, you be incorrect. A ton of software comes packed with spyware. You have to read alot of EULAs and ToSs to see that :P
[04:53] <monsterror> Can someone tell me how to get GAIM to Direct Connect? Everytime I try, it says connection failed.
[04:53] <Fizile> hey i dont have spyware and i dont have any combinations of applications to use...
[04:53] <kaffeend> ray_ windows blows for sure - but is this the alternative? My mate is trying to get me onto mac...
[04:53] <bimberi> #ubuntu-offtopic would be a better place for this
[04:53] <guardianx> mrthou- i dont use tons of apps in windows.
[04:53] <ray_> adman_, yes but with linux it is not an issue at all
[04:53] <DrCert> mac is a great desktop
[04:53] <f_newton> monsterror, i dont know what your gaim configuration is but I dont have problems
[04:53] <Seabook> Mac is *nix now anyway...
[04:53] <ray_> long live LINUX
[04:53] <MrThou> Guardianx: I do. So read alot of EULA ;)
[04:53] <hubsi> how can i search a file over console!?
[04:54] <f_newton> explain please monsterror
[04:54] <kaffeend> anyway, I don't want to have to choose which OS to use - I want both
[04:54] <ray_> i like free operating systems
[04:54] <helfire> hubsi: find / -name searchqueryhere
[04:54] <f_newton> mac is bsd like yes
[04:54] <deltab> hubsi: grep someword filename
[04:54] <guardianx> mrthou suck to be you . so u are better off using linux or real eula
[04:54] <bimberi> hubsi: sudo find / -name <filename>
[04:54] <deltab> hubsi: search within a file, or for a file?
[04:54] <monsterror> I'll right click on a name, and choose Direct Connection, then it asks them, and they accept. THen it says it failed. It'll do the same thing if they ask me too
[04:54] <MrThou> Guardianx: I would use linux, if I could ever get a distro to install properly ;)
[04:55] <f_newton> ah thats either your firewall or theiers
[04:55] <f_newton> or both
[04:55] <hubsi> i'm searching a file.. i don't know where it is on my hdd
[04:55] <adman_> ray_: explain how to install this file in one double click>>>>jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin
[04:55] <deltab> hubsi: searching for a file
[04:55] <guardianx> mrthou - agree with u there linux kinda sucks in that department
[04:55] <kaffeend> so how can I install Ubuntu again and get windows on the same drive?
[04:55] <deltab> hubsi: use find
[04:55] <monsterror> Unless Linux comes with one, I dont have a firewall. And I've never had trouble conencting to them before
[04:55] <hubsi> i do
[04:55] <snippy_> how to get ethernet address again ?
[04:55] <f_newton> adman_, thats a bin file... you cant
[04:55] <ray_> adman_, just use windows and leave me alone
[04:55] <deltab> hubsi: do you know the file's name?
[04:56] <bimberi> hubsi: alternatively - find / -name "*<part-of-filename>*"
[04:56] <ray_> MrThou, ubuntu didnt install properly
[04:56] <f_newton> ray_, sounds like good advice to me
[04:56] <hubsi> thanks :D
[04:56] <rob^> kaffeend, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[04:56] <kaffeend> rob^ thanks
[04:56] <ray_> MrThou, ubuntu didnt install properly?
[04:56] <MrThou> Ray_: It wont install.
[04:56] <snippy_> please help, I need to know my ethernet address
[04:56] <ray_> MrThou, at all.....what does it tell you
[04:56] <bimberi> hubsi: oops - forgot the "sudo" in front (otherwise lots of permission errors)
[04:57] <monsterror> snippy, ifconfig to see your internal IP
[04:57] <adman_> I was just told in this forum by an expert that i can. What is with the disinformation
[04:57] <hubsi> hehe
[04:57] <hubsi> no problem :D
[04:57] <Fizile> snippy_, your ip?
[04:58] <MrThou> ray_: Last line: "ata1: Command 0xa0 timeout, stat 0xa0 host_stat 0x21" then it freezes nicely
[04:58] <snippy_> no the ethernet address
[04:58] <snippy_> hexadezimal
[04:58] <deltab> snippy_: run "ip link" or "ifconfig"
[04:58] <ray_> alright what you guys have to understand that is to use linux you have to have at least SOME knowledge of computers in general
[04:58] <hubsi> can i install something with "cedega" ...
[04:58] <ray_> MrThou, did you download then burn it?
[04:58] <bimberi> !cedega
[04:58] <ubotu> methinks cedega is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega
[04:58] <guardianx> after i install the file unrar into ubunto . how do i use it ??
[04:59] <MrThou> Ray_: I did.
[04:59] <ray_> MrThou, the disk and data is probly corrupt
[04:59] <MrThou> ray_: What kind of knowledge of computers?
[04:59] <Fizile> !crack
[04:59] <ubotu> The primary cause of people asking me the wrong things.
[04:59] <ray_> MrThou, i had to download mine twice
[04:59] <MrThou> Im not looking forwards to a 2.8gig download again ;P
[04:59] <youngcoder> gaurdianx, what type of file is it?
[05:00] <ray_> MrThou, 2.8 gig? for ubuntu?
[05:00] <guardianx> after i install the file unrar into ubunto . how do i use it ??
[05:00] <deacon> Anybody here familiar with modifying thier ACPI DSDT file?
[05:00] <MrThou> ray_: dvd install.
[05:00] <Fizile> ubuntu is less than 700mb yeah?
[05:00] <ray_> MrThou, i would just get the cd version it is all you need
[05:00] <bimberi> Fizile: yes - installs from a single CD
[05:00] <helfire> any guide for getting ati 3d accel workign?
[05:01] <MrThou> ray_: care to mail me a cd?
[05:01] <ray_> helfire, i know
[05:01] <jrattner1> does ubuntu keep SMTP open by default'?
[05:01] <ray_> helfire, sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[05:01] <helfire> ray: thanx
[05:01] <Fizile> i had ubuntu mail me like 15 free cd's and im converting my friends and others...
[05:01] <Fizile> becaus its mad good heh
[05:02] <youngcoder> Fizile, same here
[05:02] <ray_> helfire, then edit xorg.conf and where it says ati write fglrx
[05:02] <deltab> Fizile: how long do they take to arrive?
[05:02] <MrThou> Fizile: the only use I'd have for those CDs is maybe breakfast.
[05:02] <guardianx> how do i extract an .exe file? i think it is an executable .zip file.
[05:02] <PurpleMotion> I guess I'm gonna try partition magic
[05:02] <Fizile> deltab, like i forget i had ordered them by the time i installed
[05:02] <helfire> ray_: k
[05:02] <PurpleMotion> since parted has failed me
[05:02] <Fizile> MrThou, you may want to look for a better diet
[05:02] <youngcoder> deltab, 4-8 weeks depending on where you live
[05:02] <adman_> MrThou: check this>> I was told to do this>>> It didn't work because some guy told me to remove the spaces in the command>> didn't work either
[05:02] <ray_> guardianx, and exe is a windows file...executable not A ror
[05:03] <ray_> guardianx, and exe is a windows file...executable not A rar
[05:03] <kaffeend> rob^ that wiki link was no good I'm afraid - only deals with systems that already have windows installed
[05:03] <ray_> guardianx, and exe is a windows file...executable not A rar
[05:03] <ray_> oops
[05:03] <rob^> kaffeend, did you read the note at the top?
[05:03] <ray_> guardianx, what exe program are you trying to install
[05:03] <deltab> ray_: some are self-extracting
[05:03] <kaffeend> rob^ to install windows first?
[05:03] <rob^> kafeine, yes
[05:03] <ray_> deltab, exe is a WINDOWS file
[05:03] <Syco54645> ray_, self extracting rars and zips are .exe files and you can pass them to rar and unzip
[05:04] <kaffeend> hmmm
[05:04] <ray_> YES IN WINDOWS
[05:04] <guardianx> i'm trying to install partypoker on ubuntu
[05:04] <Syco54645> ray_, and in linux
[05:04] <rob^> kafeine, just leave at least say 10gig or more for Linux when you install Windows
[05:04] <ray_> Syco54645, name one exe file you can run in linux
[05:04] <kaffeend> rob^ yes but I tried that already - I think I need to format the drive first tho
[05:04] <deacon> Anybody here familiar with modifying thier ACPI DSDT file? I'm having an issue with a particularly sticky error that keps coming up when I try and compile my .asl file
[05:04] <ray_> Syco54645, without wine
[05:04] <flodine> can someone help me get my libc6 updated
[05:04] <Syco54645> ray_, if it is a self extracting rar, then it is an exe and all you do is say rar e foo.rar
[05:05] <Syco54645> ray_, i just did it not too long ago, feel free to try it
[05:05] <ray_> Syco54645, like what tho
[05:05] <kaffeend> rob^ ok
[05:05] <Syco54645> ray_, i dunno get on windows and make a self extracting rar and it is an exe and you can pass it
[05:05] <rob^> kaffeend, you have two choices, if windows is already installed, follow that guide. if windows is not installed, install if first and when partitioning duing windows installation leave 10gig for Linux (ie leave 10gig free space)
[05:05] <kaffeend> is there a way to format the HDD from inside Ubuntu?
[05:05] <psurani> guys, my beep media player hangs, while playing mp3, why ?
[05:05] <rob^> gqparted
[05:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> hopefully not the hd that you have it installed upon.
[05:06] <crimsun> psurani: are you using the esound output?
[05:06] <ray_> Syco54645, oh i see.....but he isnt just extracting an archive he wants to install a windows app
[05:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> psurani you might try avoiding the problem with xmms
[05:06] <psurani> crimsun, , how to check that ?
[05:06] <kaffeend> rob^ is that for me? gqparted?
[05:06] <crimsun> psurani: preferences> output
[05:06] <helfire> ray_: you rock, 3d accel works :)
[05:06] <eL_DemeNteGT> ubuntu en espaol cual es canal
[05:06] <kaffeend> !gqparted
[05:06] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, kaffeend
[05:06] <rob^> yeah, once you are installed Ubuntu has a graphical partitioning tool
[05:06] <bimberi> !es
[05:06] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[05:06] <psurani> it hang, i cannt even cancel it, how to kil it ?
[05:07] <ray_> helfire, no prop
[05:07] <ray_> helfire, no prob*
[05:07] <eL_DemeNteGT> ubuntu-es
[05:07] <flodine> is ubuntu files old
[05:07] <Syco54645> ray_, ah ok well then that is a different story, but you were saying an exe is a windows executable, i was just letting people know that they sometimes arnt (in the case of a zip or rar that self extracts, they can still be extracted because the programs will ignore the exe part)
[05:07] <MrThou> But what do you think the odds are that once I get past this error, Ubuntu will agree with my x300 PCI/E vid card?
[05:07] <Fizile> it will.
[05:07] <Fizile> probably...
[05:07] <guardianx> how do i install wine in unbutu??
[05:07] <HrdwrBoB> MrThou: I have a friend whoi uses an X300
[05:07] <eL_DemeNteGT> kien me dice el canal de ubuntu espaol
[05:07] <Syco54645> guardianx, apt-get install wine
[05:07] <helfire> ray_: is flgrx a ubuntu package or in deb repository too?
[05:07] <rob^> guardianx, sudo apt-get install wine
[05:08] <ray_> guardianx, sudo apt-get install wine
[05:08] <psurani> hey i selected esound now, is that okkay ??
[05:08] <alindeman> eL_DemeNteGT: #ubuntu-es
[05:08] <Syco54645> i think the topic of this place needs to be changed how to install stuff is apt-get install package
[05:08] <eL_DemeNteGT> grax
[05:08] <Syco54645> that is the most common question that i see
[05:08] <rob^> psurani, select alsa instead
[05:08] <psurani> ahh ok
[05:08] <youngcoder> Syco54645, i agree
[05:08] <ray_> helfire, well debian doesnt have xorg yet i dont think and fglrx is an xorg driver
[05:08] <kaffeend> rob^ what should I do with "gqparted" please?
[05:08] <helfire> ray_: ahh yes, forgot :)
[05:08] <rob^> Syco54645, yep, Breezy will include the FAQ Guide that answers all these type questions
[05:09] <rob^> kaffeend, don't worry about it
[05:09] <n4cht> hey, anyone using a compaq presario? i have a few hardware questions.
[05:09] <rob^> kaffeend, you most likely wont need it
[05:09] <psurani> hey it says, pls select correct output plugin, when i selected alsa
[05:09] <rob^> kaffeend, install windows, leave free space (unpartitioned) during install, then install Ubuntu into that free space
[05:09] <n4cht> sometimes it won't even boot
[05:10] <n4cht> and windows bsod's on install.
[05:10] <psurani> actually i had even changed the op device
[05:10] <kaffeend> rob^ I think I may need it as when I try to boot the winxp cd it keeps getting stuck after "windows is checking your hardware..."
[05:10] <f_newton> n4cht, you've got some hardware issues
[05:10] <rob^> kaffeend, follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[05:10] <n4cht> i _think_ it might have a lot to do with the fact that it was previously on a network that was passing around a bios killing virus of some sort.
[05:10] <Micksa> bluddy hell
[05:10] <guardianx> when i try to install wine i get this error Package wine is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:11] <guardianx> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[05:11] <guardianx> is only available from another source
[05:11] <guardianx> E: Package wine has no installation candidate
[05:11] <rob^> kaffeend, under "Windows XP with NTFS or Any Other NTFS partition"
[05:11] <Micksa> how much luck would i have porting the breezy kernel to hoary?
[05:11] <Micksa> I could try it I guess huh
[05:11] <Micksa> bleagh
[05:11] <crimsun> why "port" it?
[05:11] <crimsun> at worst you'd have to grab l-i and l-r-m (and possibly l-h)
[05:11] <vader1102> kaffend: I was having that in a customer pc, it was the heatsink fan on backwards, causing the CPU to overheat
[05:12] <psurani> crimsun, , it agains says, please check that u have correct plugin
[05:12] <adman_> I would like to know why (or is there any? there isn't a version of linux that will eliminate 80% of these commands you have to us to do simple things
[05:12] <crimsun> psurani: pgrep esd
[05:12] <f_newton> I am glad I just use my computer and dont need to play with it all the time or reconstruct it from scratch out of boredom or something
[05:12] <youngcoder> psurani, have you tried xmms?
[05:12] <psurani> hey it started !!! wow
[05:12] <psurani> i selected esound !!
[05:12] <Micksa> crimsun: because the hoary kernel is proving less stable/functional
[05:12] <_frank> I just changed my CPU heatsink/fan! I get around 7degC cooler when my CPU is working at 100%. Success!
[05:12] <MrThou> well im off for awhile. you all get to hear me cry later. cya
[05:12] <Micksa> I have a laptop
[05:13] <crimsun> Micksa: it's fine here. That still doesn't mean you have to "port" it. Just download and install.
[05:13] <Micksa> l-i? l-r-m? l-h?
[05:13] <Micksa> ah.
[05:13] <psurani> which playeer is to play movies ??? like .dat files ?
[05:13] <Micksa> pff.
[05:13] <sproingie> Micksa: you could probably just install the breezy kernel. kernel packages have virtually no dependencies
[05:13] <crimsun> linux-image, linux-restricted
[05:13] <crimsun> -modules, linux-headers
[05:13] <youngcoder> _frank, congrats!
[05:13] <f_newton> _frank, a lot of times that can be accompished by cleaning the heatsink and applying fresh goop to the processor
[05:13] <Micksa> crimsun: it won't install as-is.
[05:13] <sproingie> Micksa: when it breaks you get to keep both pieces
[05:13] <crimsun> I presume you can attach the correct $(uname -r)
[05:13] <Micksa> needs a later version of, um, something
[05:14] <Micksa> hang on
[05:14] <Micksa> oh! that's right, I want to compile anyway cos I want to add some patches
[05:14] <_frank> f_newton: you're probably right... *sound of bubble bursting*
[05:14] <crimsun> well have fun. Get linux-tree-2.6.12.
[05:15] <vader1102> kaffend: I was having that in a customer pc, it was the heatsink fan on backwards, causing the CPU to overheat
[05:15] <adman_> hello kaffeend
[05:15] <f_newton> dust and dirt are killers of heatsinks and fans
[05:15] <kaffeend> hey adman_
[05:15] <kaffeend> vader1102 28 degrees is cool enough for me
[05:16] <psurani> hey my totem movie player doesnt play VCDs !!! help
[05:16] <vader1102> would be for me too
[05:16] <vader1102> have you checked the RAM?
[05:16] <f_newton> lol 28c?
[05:16] <adman_> kaffeend: I am having so much trouble doing simple stuff. Like installing java.
[05:16] <f_newton> adman_, you just arent literally following the instructions
[05:16] <f_newton> its not a big thing
[05:16] <youngcoder> adman_ what part is giving you trouble?
[05:17] <kaffeend> so when I installed ubuntu I was asked if I wanted to keep windows, but when I try to boot windows it says there's a file missing
[05:17] <adman_> I literally followed the instructions
[05:17] <kaffeend> adman_ yeah so am I
[05:17] <adman_> youngcoder: hold on
[05:17] <youngcoder> ok
[05:17] <levander> Anybody know why running '/etc/init.d/ntpdate restart' puts my monitor in suspend mode? I thought I lost all my work that I was working on when it did that.
[05:17] <kaffeend> f_newton sorry - 38 deg c
[05:18] <adman_> youngcoder: Go to java.sun.com and download the j2sdk or j2re .bin file for Linux. Not the rpm! Install 'java-package' and 'fakeroot' via Synaptic. Now run 'fakeroot make-jpkg <name of the java file you downloaded>'. This will generate a .deb. Install that file using dpkg. Done!
[05:18] <vader1102> kaffend: still good
[05:18] <levander> I assume it is because it messed with the clock on my gnome panel. But, is really wierd that changing the time on the clock does that.
[05:18] <f_newton> adman_, one ofthe neat things about computers is gigo.... it gives you exactly what its supposed to when the proper data is inserted... no exceptions
[05:18] <adman_> youngcoder: I followed that exactly and it didn't work
[05:18] <f_newton> yeah that sounds better ... 38c
[05:19] <f_newton> thats still pretty cool
[05:19] <youngcoder> adman_ let me check on it one sec
[05:19] <kaffeend> f_newton 38 is better than 28? weirdo
[05:19] <f_newton> no kaffeend it sounds more honest
[05:19] <f_newton> lol
[05:19] <kaffeend> got 9 fans in this fucker
[05:19] <heatxsink> anyone in here tried to get wlan-ng drivers working on ubuntu?
[05:19] <heatxsink> for pcmcia?
[05:20] <kaffeend> f_newton gotcha now ;)
[05:20] <_frank> kaffeend: 38c for the cpu? what is the environing tempereature?
[05:20] <f_newton> well actually now that I just checked mine its running at 25c so forget I said anything...
[05:20] <kaffeend> f_newton my bad sorry
[05:20] <vader1102> heatxsink: I am using the dwl-g650 in my laptop
[05:20] <sproingie> kaffeend: jeez, is your machine hovering off the desk?
[05:20] <kaffeend> lol
[05:20] <youngcoder> adman_ where did those instructions come from? do you have a link?
[05:20] <heatxsink> vader1102: really.. is that the pcmcia card?
[05:20] <kaffeend> my machine is making a lot of noise, that's for sure
[05:21] <snippy_> how can I make a folder via terminal ?
[05:21] <vader1102> I believe so.. in the dark right now, wife is asleep
[05:21] <vader1102> lol
[05:21] <adman_> youngcoder: that was referred to me by someone through ubotu.
[05:21] <kaffeend> _frank I don't know what the case temp is - I just got the cpu temp from the BIOS
[05:21] <misfit_toy> vader1102, you have your pc in the bedroom?
[05:21] <deacon> So, I take it nobody here knows a thing about DSDT config editing then?
[05:21] <snippy_> please
[05:21] <snippy_> how can I make a folder via terminal ?
[05:21] <bimberi> snippy_: mkdir
[05:21] <misfit_toy> deacon, no tme
[05:21] <snippy_> thank you
[05:21] <vader1102> nope, in the living room
[05:21] <D1> deacon, its a bitch.
[05:22] <vader1102> she sleepin on a chair
[05:22] <snippy_> how can I change permission for a directory I made ?
[05:22] <deacon> D1, Tell me about it
[05:22] <youngcoder> adman_ why not use apt-get to install java?
[05:22] <heatxsink> vader1102: so you got it working?
[05:22] <f_newton> snippy_, man chmod
[05:22] <heatxsink> how?
[05:22] <misfit_toy> vader1102, then give her a good bang and send her to bed
[05:22] <D1> check the recompiled/fixed dsdt page before trying out your own.
[05:22] <vader1102> yes am using it right now
[05:22] <deacon> Been working all day on this frigging thing. Got it down to just one error.
[05:22] <adman_> youngcoder: i got errors with that too
[05:22] <D1> see if anyone fixed it and posted it.
[05:22] <snippy_> whats the chmod to give permission to all users?
[05:23] <vader1102> that's where i'll be very soon
[05:23] <f_newton> lol misfit_toy you did go git some beer!]
[05:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> chmod 777
[05:23] <bimberi> snippy_: chmod 777 <dir>
[05:23] <snippy_> thanks ^^
[05:23] <misfit_toy> f_newton, yes I did
[05:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> user group others
[05:23] <D1> what kind of laptop is it?
[05:23] <f_newton> :)
[05:23] <kaffeend> anyway, I didn't come in here to talk pc temperatures... lol
[05:23] <deacon> Acer 3002 LCi
[05:23] <D1> haha
[05:23] <f_newton> I am beerless, sigh
[05:23] <D1> I have that.
[05:23] <heatxsink> vader1102: ?
[05:23] <youngcoder> adman_ im not sure what to tell you
[05:23] <misfit_toy> f_newton, but I have 3 kids, so I need even more beer
[05:23] <vader1102> I am using it right now
[05:23] <D1> did you check the dsdt page at sourceforge?
[05:23] <deacon> Trying to get the stinking Battery Monitor to work
[05:24] <kaffeend> can anyone tell me how I can totally delete my NTFS partition from Ubuntu please?
[05:24] <deacon> Yep
[05:24] <f_newton> ive got more then that just in grandkids misfit_toy
[05:24] <f_newton> heh
[05:24] <starfishy> kaffeend: fdisk
[05:24] <misfit_toy> f_newton, you win then, you need a keg
[05:24] <deacon> Been all over those. None have the error I'm getting. But they did help with the other errors I was getting
[05:24] <starfishy> just remove the partition
[05:24] <f_newton> yeah... I do
[05:24] <kaffeend> starfishy is that in terminal?
[05:24] <starfishy> yes
[05:24] <heatxsink> vader1102: is there some kind of wiki or somethign somewhere that steps me thoruhg what I have to do to get those wlan-ng drivers working in ubuntu?
[05:24] <kaffeend> with sudo?
[05:24] <youngcoder> adman_, is this the command u used and got errors? sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[05:24] <youngcoder> java -version
[05:24] <f_newton> but Id need help drinkin it so as not to lose the timely deposit
[05:24] <vader1102> one sec
[05:24] <D1> http://acpi.sourceforge.net/dsdt/view.php?manufacturer=ACER&name=Aspire+3002LCI+or+3000
[05:25] <starfishy> of course fdisk won't be able to grow your filesystem
[05:25] <heatxsink> vader1102: thanks
[05:25] <vader1102> yw
[05:25] <D1> one of those should work
[05:25] <f_newton> a keg of sam adams would be ok
[05:25] <starfishy> but it will enable you to create another one that you can mount at /home, for instance
[05:25] <adman_> youngcoder: my issue is why all of these DOS-like commands? Is there a distro that will eliminate majority of these?
[05:25] <f_newton> heck even shiner tastes ok in a keg
[05:25] <kaffeend> starfishy Oh damn :P
[05:25] <misfit_toy> f_newton, you are a man of good taste
[05:25] <f_newton> yes I know
[05:25] <f_newton> I is after all... a texan
[05:25] <D1> deacon, what do you think of the quality of the screen is?
[05:25] <f_newton> gw aside
[05:25] <starfishy> there are tools that grow filesystems
[05:25] <D1> mine looks sort of washed out.
[05:26] <misfit_toy> f_newton, I'm in austin, south
[05:26] <f_newton> yes I know... we've talked many times
[05:26] <misfit_toy> lol
[05:26] <deacon> That link is where I got my .asl to work with.
[05:26] <f_newton> Ive seen your backyard pics
[05:26] <adman_> youngcoder: I was told to use that command without the sudo bit.
[05:26] <vader1102> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-4057.html
[05:26] <youngcoder> adman_, umm there are a couple of distros that claim to be more "friendly like windows" but i havent tried them
[05:26] <misfit_toy> I know, but I never know who remember's what f_newton
[05:26] <D1> which one are you using
[05:26] <f_newton> yeah well Im not drinking today...
[05:26] <heatxsink> vader1102: that for me
[05:26] <vader1102> yes,, tired
[05:26] <deacon> D1, Not bad. although the response time is a tad slow
[05:26] <misfit_toy> f_newton, shame on you
[05:26] <misfit_toy> ;p
[05:26] <kaffeend> starfishy I just want to get windows back onto that NTFS - dunno why it's missing a file now when it didn't earlier
[05:26] <Hoxzer> is there any command based TV recorder software that can setup record timer
[05:26] <youngcoder> adman_, use sudo and see what happens
[05:27] <f_newton> yeah but IM broke
[05:27] <Hoxzer> for linux?
[05:27] <adman_> youngcoder: UBUNTU was reccommended by the biggest Microsoft apologists: ZDNET!
[05:27] <vader1102> later
[05:27] <starfishy> kaffeend: oh
[05:27] <starfishy> you want to reinstall windows?
[05:27] <f_newton> it must be rough having to use windows
[05:27] <D1> I just updated to the latest bios and patched it with some patches I found on the acpi boards
[05:27] <f_newton> lol
[05:27] <starfishy> then why do you want to remove the partition?
[05:28] <deacon> D1, which BIOS are you using?
[05:28] <D1> but some guy added a new dsdt with the new bios that I posted earlier.
[05:28] <youngcoder> adman_, Ubuntu is very easy compared to some others
[05:28] <PurpleMotion> according to this, partition magic should run off the cd and allow me to resize my partitions
[05:28] <D1> 3A24
[05:28] <deacon> Yeah, that's the one I'm using
[05:28] <kaffeend> starfishy I tried to reinstall windows on the NTFS that's there already but it freezes after checking system hardware
[05:28] <deacon> Got it off the link from sourceforge'
[05:28] <misfit_toy> PurpleMotion, Pmagic should do it all as long as it's the most recent version
[05:28] <f_newton> ah theres the rub
[05:28] <f_newton> ...
[05:28] <D1> which 3A24 dsdt are you using?
[05:28] <starfishy> kaffeend: justy zero out the first meg of the partition
[05:28] <deacon> Minimal
[05:29] <deacon> the 512MB one is Blank
[05:29] <PurpleMotion> misfit_toy: it is... i just have no windows installation, but all iw ant to do is resize my ext3 partition, and parted refuses to do it
[05:29] <adman_> youngcoder: I realized that, UBUNTU installed on my thinkpad in thirty minutes, I was very imperssed!
[05:29] <D1> ah
[05:29] <kaffeend> starfishy what the?
[05:29] <D1> thats not mine.
[05:29] <PurpleMotion> and parted gives me shit for information as to why it wont
[05:29] <D1> but mine has 512MB anyway.
[05:29] <deacon> I'd report it, but I'm not sure who I should tell
[05:29] <Micksa> PurpleMotion: you're not *the* purple motion are you?...
[05:29] <D1> I posted one.
[05:29] <youngcoder> adman_, did that command work?
[05:29] <misfit_toy> PurpleMotion, have you tried qparted?
[05:29] <deacon> Which one?
[05:29] <D1> but the one you're using isn't the one I posted.
[05:29] <starfishy> kaffeend: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdaX bs=512 count=2000
[05:29] <PurpleMotion> Micksa: you mean the musician purplemotion or the one who ran the dalnet server?
[05:29] <D1> http://acpi.sourceforge.net/dsdt/view.php?id=398
[05:30] <Micksa> oh gawd
[05:30] <Micksa> THEY'RE EVERYWHERE
[05:30] <Micksa> the first one
[05:30] <PurpleMotion> misfit_toy: oh yeah.. but it uses parted, so how far do you think you can go with it, heh
[05:30] <starfishy> hadX would have to be replaced by your ntfs partition
[05:30] <Micksa> I don't care about irc sysops :)
[05:30] <PurpleMotion> nah, im the latter
[05:30] <f_newton> dalnet server? well thats nothing to be proud of
[05:30] <Micksa> ;)
[05:30] <misfit_toy> PurpleMotion, I've seen qparted work when parted didn't
[05:30] <PurpleMotion> f_newton: it was in 96, 97, and 98
[05:30] <f_newton> I was there then...
[05:30] <PurpleMotion> misfit_toy: well, not int his case
[05:30] <f_newton> dalnet was kiddie scripter land
[05:31] <Micksa> *snigger*
[05:31] <deacon> D1, that's the one I used!
[05:31] <misfit_toy> l8r ya'll
[05:31] <deacon> I think...
[05:31] <f_newton> night misfit_toy
[05:31] <D1> heh, thats mine.
[05:31] <PurpleMotion> l8r misfit
[05:31] <D1> do you have 512MB?
[05:31] <flodine> anyone got a link to install E17 for ubuntu?
[05:31] <deacon> 256 +512
[05:31] <PurpleMotion> isnt e17 still in development?
[05:31] <f_newton> PurpleMotion, what happened to dalnet anyway?
[05:31] <D1> maybe you should try the other guy's bios
[05:31] <flodine> yes
[05:31] <flodine> and
[05:31] <PurpleMotion> (doesnt look any different from e16 to me)
[05:31] <D1> wonder why mine doesn't compile...
[05:32] <deacon> What, the originals?
[05:32] <D1> I had 1 warning but no errors and everything worked fine.
[05:32] <D1> no
[05:32] <adman_> youngcoder: this is wht i get>>>root@ubu:/home/adman # sudo apt-get install sun-j2rel.5
[05:32] <adman_> Reading package lists... Done
[05:32] <adman_> Building dependency tree... Done
[05:32] <adman_> E: Couldn't find package sun-j2rel.5
[05:32] <adman_> root@ubu:/home/adman #
[05:32] <benplaut> flodline: search the forums for "smoon"'s repo
[05:32] <flodine> then run 16
[05:32] <kaffeend> starfishy I don't know what that was meant to do, but the output is: 2000+0 records in
[05:32] <kaffeend> 2000+0 records out
[05:32] <kaffeend> 1024000 bytes transferred in 0.008009 seconds (127856850 bytes/sec)
[05:32] <D1> wait
[05:32] <PurpleMotion> f_newton: it had this micro-social pecking order... basically it killed itself with it's own political system
[05:32] <D1> so you have 768?
[05:32] <starfishy> nos the xp install should work
[05:32] <starfishy> now
[05:32] <D1> http://acpi.sourceforge.net/dsdt/view.php?id=408 - thats the other 512MB
[05:32] <f_newton> ah
[05:32] <starfishy> it will just see an empty ntfs partition
[05:32] <youngcoder> adman_ one sec
[05:32] <deacon> Well, I keep getting the error " syntax error, unexpected PARSEOP_METHOD, expecting $end"
[05:33] <kaffeend> starfishy cool... I will give it a go and let you know what happens
[05:33] <D1> well, try compiling that last link and see how it works.
[05:33] <starfishy> kaffeend: the problem with removing and recreating the partition is that it does _not_ empty it
[05:33] <starfishy> so basically removing and recreating the partition would not have helped
[05:33] <deacon> When I comment out the last Paragraph of the dsdt, it compiles, but then I can't boot to that selection once I add it to the boot menu. Just gets stuck loading modules.
[05:35] <D1> hmm
[05:35] <D1> are you using the flex-old package to compile the intel compiler?
[05:36] <deacon> Oh, BTW, that link for the 512MD dsdt is the blank one. Just has the intro lines, and nothing else
[05:36] <D1> oh weird.
[05:36] <deacon> Yep, flex-old.
[05:36] <deacon> followed the directions in the wiki to the T
[05:36] <Keegan> is there a limit to the amount of data that can be stored on the desktop?
[05:36] <youngcoder> adman_, did you ever add extra repositories
[05:36] <youngcoder> ?
[05:37] <adman_> repositories?
[05:37] <Keegan> because when I tried to put about 10GB of music there, it said there was not enough space in that location
[05:37] <f_newton> lol adman_ sometimes a little bit of reading and preparation can make a lot of difference
[05:38] <Keegan> adman_:repostitories are basically sites for getting additional packages
[05:38] <snow2> hi guys, anyone tried to sync the latest evolution with a palm
[05:38] <youngcoder> adman_, http://ubuntuguide.org/..... it will have a section on adding extra repositories then that command should work
[05:39] <deacon> You know, D1, I don't think I tried your file. Lemme try that one and see how it goes
[05:39] <D1> ok.
[05:39] <deacon> You on here regularly?
[05:39] <D1> but remember, it'll only work if you have 512MB
[05:39] <D1> yeah.
[05:39] <PurpleMotion> !ubuntuguide
[05:39] <ubotu> it has been said that ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[05:39] <deacon> over 512 OK?
[05:39] <deltab> Keegan: the desktop is a directory within your home directory
[05:39] <D1> haven't tried that.
[05:39] <PurpleMotion> PLEASE do not suggest the ubuntuguide
[05:39] <adman_> f_newton: that is exactly what I am talking about the interfaces are too complex. It took 3 hours in here to get to this point?
[05:39] <deacon> is there a specific line I need to edit?
[05:40] <D1> Im trying to find the acpi mailing list post I used...
[05:40] <deltab> Keegan: open a terminal and type df -h ~/Desktop
[05:40] <f_newton> adman_, no they arent... you just have to stop thinking the windows way... its wrong in the first place
[05:40] <youngcoder> ubotu, it worked for me just fine
[05:40] <ubotu> youngcoder: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[05:41] <adman_> f_newton: you still haven't answered me.
[05:41] <f_newton> and contrary to a lot of people's opinions in here (no offense) learning cli commands is very important
[05:41] <f_newton> what was your question?
[05:41] <D1> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=11911331
[05:42] <D1> this is where I got the two patches to fix the dsdt
[05:42] <D1> maybe theres something there you can use.
[05:42] <kaffeend> starfishy no worky mate
[05:42] <deacon> Thanks! I'll check there and let you know how it worked out
[05:42] <youngcoder> i hate it that people thing that if you have to read instructions that it makes things too hard.. research never hurt anyone
[05:42] <kaffeend> :(
[05:43] <D1> good luck.
[05:43] <Fizile> unless youre doing field work with lions
[05:44] <kaffeend> with windows it's a battle NOT to lose stuff, but I can't kill my hdd for some reason :s
[05:44] <childe> Hi
[05:44] <Fizile> is there an amd64 version of cedega?
[05:44] <childe> I got a problem. It seems all my packages can't be authenticated!
[05:44] <adman_> f_newton: Why are there so many "DOS 5.0 type commands" thaat you have to use to do simple things. I understand the linux way is somewhat better eg: no .dll install in /windows/system /system32 and all that crap. Why after all this time these little commands still exist?
[05:45] <childe> Synaptic keeps saying that "You are about to install software that can't be authenticated!". These are not universe packages
[05:45] <kaffeend> can anyone tell me how/if I can totally erase the contents of my HDD please?
[05:45] <brettcar> kaffeend: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda
[05:46] <nickrud> adman_, the things aren't so simple, it's just that having the cli lets you do them simply :)
[05:46] <brettcar> kaffeend: You must run it from a boot CD or while booting from another hard drive of course.
[05:46] <kaffeend> brettcar thanks
[05:46] <f_newton> ok adman_ first off those dos commands came from cbp and those came from multics and unix... simple command words enable much greater power in doing the work instead of using all your resources to tranlate from gif to path to application
[05:46] <brettcar> kaffeend: If you want the most security, run it a few times or with /dev/random instead of /dev/zero (it will take longer though)
[05:46] <qwe> HI ALL, I need help getting my Wireless card to work. Im on an AMD64
[05:47] <kaffeend> ok, can anyone tell me how/if I can totally erase the contents of my HDD from WITHIN Ubuntu please?
[05:47] <deltab> f_newton: "cbp"?
[05:47] <nickrud> f_newton, eh, I just jumped too soon
[05:47] <f_newton> wait it was cpm
[05:47] <f_newton> ive slept since those days
[05:47] <brettcar> kaffeend: You can't really. Not completely. Download the Ubuntu live CD and do that.
[05:47] <deltab> kaffeend: same command
[05:47] <deltab> ah
[05:47] <kaffeend> brettcar I don't know what I'm doing
[05:48] <brettcar> kaffeend: I wouldn't recommend trying to erase your entire drive without good reason then =)
[05:48] <deltab> f_newton: ah, I thought I might have missed something
[05:48] <deltab> brettcar: why not?
[05:48] <f_newton> no... Im missing years of memory cells .... killed in the great budweiser wars ... lol
[05:48] <deltab> kaffeend: why are you trying to do that?
[05:49] <kaffeend> brettcar I'm trying to run windows, which is on the HDD's NTFS partition, but it's missing Hal.dll so I need to reinstall it, but having trouble with that
[05:49] <IcemanV9> qwe: did u check wiki? forums? for wifi card on AMD64 box?
[05:49] <qwe> CAN anyone help me with my wireless card. it works on 32 bit but not 64 bit...what gives??
[05:49] <kaffeend> deltab I'm trying to run windows, which is on the HDD's NTFS partition, but it's missing Hal.dll so I need to reinstall it, but having trouble with that
[05:49] <brettcar> kaffeend: If you have your original Windows media/CDs you should be able to do a clean install from that?
[05:50] <adman_> f_newton: yes i understand that. My biggest problem is how are we going to translate windows users to linux/ubuntu if when you need support you have to drop to a cmd prompt to fix the problems. I like going to terminal, but at this time i will not reccommend ubuntu or any flavor of linux to my clients.
[05:50] <kaffeend> brettcar that's what I thought
[05:50] <f_newton> but to make a long story short adman_ cli is a far superior way of manipulating an operating system but its not easier for the beginner... soon though, the beginner finds that waiting for icons etc to work just complicates and slows down the machine
[05:50] <childe> kaffeend: Maybe you need to erase your MBR
[05:50] <f_newton> adman_, Ubuntu is the least command line interface distro Ive seen to date
[05:50] <childe> If you installed GRUB on MBR.
[05:50] <qwe> iceman: what am i looking for in wiki?
[05:50] <nickrud> adman_, that's where you make your money: you set it up, and it works from there on, iirc :)
[05:50] <deltab> adman_: you don't necessary have to, but it can be more familiar and easier for long-time users
[05:51] <kaffeend> childe yep
[05:51] <f_newton> as a matter of fact that is the only drawback I can find with it
[05:51] <f_newton> adman_, there is very litte you need to use command line for that you cant get thru the gui
[05:51] <IcemanV9> qwe: name of wifi card
[05:51] <f_newton> but without the command line interface I find myself getting frustrated
[05:51] <kaffeend> f_newton you're right there
[05:52] <adman_> nickrud: I am not being selfish
[05:52] <kaffeend> f_newton I don't even mind using the command line
[05:52] <f_newton> I have gotten pretty used to the redhat way of doing things
[05:52] <adman_> f_newton I understand that
[05:52] <Tarcastil> hey, anyone know how I can set a wheel-thing with keycodes 174 and 176 to map to a mouses's scroll wheel?
[05:52] <thejavafreak> join #fedora
[05:52] <nickrud> adman_, sorry
[05:52] <Chaotic_Reality> can someone explain to me why in kde, xmms runs off the oss driver, but in gnome it runs off esound? wouldn't it run off the same device for both? seems odd
[05:52] <regeya> I have seen people advocate ditching GNOME Terminal because it's "confusing"
[05:52] <thejavafreak> sorry typo
[05:52] <snippy_> good night everyone I'm going to bed..
[05:52] <regeya> and nothing as a replacement
[05:52] <f_newton> but adman_ LINUX is a much more stable and powerful operating system then windows and it just comes with the program that you need to familiarize yourself with it
[05:53] <f_newton> its not a little red wagon.... its a dang rocket ship
[05:53] <nickrud> adman_, what I really meant was, you can do the cli stuff, and your users just use what you give. I do that a bit.
[05:53] <Xyc0> Chaotic_Reality: Did you change the plugin back to esound and it not work?
[05:53] <kaffeend> childe so how do I do that please?
[05:53] <DigitalFox> will I get much performance increase from switching to the -686 optimized kernel?
[05:53] <Tarcastil> anyone know?
[05:53] <Chaotic_Reality> Xyc0, it just wouldn't play under the esound earlier, so I tried oss and it worked. *shrug*
[05:53] <childe> kaffeend: Use this command: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1
[05:53] <qwe> iceman:im on a Intel 2200bg and there is no wifi for that
[05:53] <Chaotic_Reality> but under gnome it works under esound
[05:53] <kaffeend> childe ok thanks
[05:54] <f_newton> adman_, use linux for a couple of weeks then switch back to windows... you will understand
[05:54] <childe> kaffeend: Change "hda" to your hard disk device
[05:54] <kaffeend> do I need sudo?
[05:54] <Xyc0> Doesn't esound use the OSS drivers?
[05:54] <DigitalFox> wait woah kaffeend what are you doing?
[05:54] <IcemanV9> qwe: name?? anyway, i found one wiki page > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowtoUseNdiswrapperOnAmd64Ubuntu
[05:54] <childe> kaffeend: Yes
[05:54] <nickrud> Chaotic_Reality, no, it's about what processes bind to what devices.
[05:54] <f_newton> I am pretty lost in ubuntu
[05:54] <kaffeend> DigitalFox I'm going to erase my hard drive
[05:54] <Chaotic_Reality> nickrud, so it can change at anytime?
[05:54] <f_newton> but its very stable so I will learn it
[05:54] <IcemanV9> qwe: i'm no expert on amd64 (someday, i will owe one of those)
[05:55] <nickrud> Chaotic_Reality, yes, arts (kde) is not the same as esd/esound (gnome)
[05:55] <f_newton> and its debian based which strongly appeals to me
[05:55] <adman_> nickrud: f_newton: I am talking about the world in general. What do we need to do to start converting the masses or are we going to wait until linus goes the way of OS/2? Which was superrior to windows in all ways.
[05:55] <nickrud> adman_, not to get all gooey here, but, os2 is not the gnu/linux experience :)
[05:55] <Xyc0> f_newton: meh, stability is a user issue. Linux teaches you how to keep a stable system. Windows trys to do it automaticaly and fails
[05:55] <f_newton> adman_, os2 is still used in many grocery stores, resturants, warehouses etc to keep track of sales and ordering
[05:55] <Chaotic_Reality> nickrud, i see. are there issues with running two applications that use sound at the same time?
[05:56] <f_newton> windows is mr generic
[05:56] <Chaotic_Reality> ie: xmms and gaim
[05:56] <childe> Now can someone help me? APT can't ahthenticate official packages
[05:56] <IcemanV9> yeah, it IS too bad that IBM has decided to kill OS/2 (they haven't improved them anyway!)
[05:56] <f_newton> it does generality well
[05:56] <f_newton> but nothing very well
[05:56] <kaffeend> DigitalFox were you going to suggest an alternative before I pull the plug on Ubuntu?
[05:56] <troy_> hi
[05:56] <troy_> anyone here use nvidia drivers?
[05:56] <nickrud> Chaotic_Reality, yes. The fundamental issue is how to let more than one app send sound to a single device at the same time.
[05:56] <kaffeend> troy_ I do
[05:56] <troy_> i need the NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6111-jp3.run
[05:56] <Xyc0> kaffeend: you should never need to pull the plug on ubuntu
[05:56] <f_newton> IcemanV9, warp sucd
[05:56] <troy_> the http://ngc891.blogdns.net/kernel/patches/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6111-jp3.run is down
[05:57] <troy_> do you have this pacage?
[05:57] <nickrud> Chaotic_Reality, if you have a good sound card (it does alsa's multiopen) the issue is academic
[05:57] <kaffeend> Xyc0 I agree, but I apparently stuffed it up somehow
[05:57] <qwe> iceman: what is "ndiswrapper"
[05:57] <Chaotic_Reality> nickrud, understandable. the sounds w/ gaim suck anyway. wish the windows would flash though
[05:57] <DekaPink> --; My trash bin seems to think it has stuff in it when it doesn't, according to its icon. :3
[05:57] <Xyc0> kaffeend: how so?
[05:57] <Chaotic_Reality> nickrud, nah, just a laptop so nothing amazing. i don't think any laptop has a great soundcard heh
[05:57] <PurpleMotion> not true
[05:57] <Xyc0> troy_: the nvidia drivers can be installed through apt-get easy enough, why not try that?
[05:57] <kaffeend> Xyc0 I don't have /local in my /usr directory
[05:57] <troy_> no
[05:57] <troy_> they can't
[05:57] <PurpleMotion> toshiba makes some laptops with sb audigy chipsets
[05:58] <troy_> i have a geforce 2 go
[05:58] <Xyc0> kaffeend: why do you need to go there?
[05:58] <troy_> only works with 6111 or lower
[05:58] <f_newton> IcemanV9, but I can write an os2 routine on a floppy that will maintain building logistics, security, and fire systems
[05:58] <nickrud> Chaotic_Reality, so, esd and alsa are intended to be buffers between apps and sound cards
[05:58] <troy_> so i need 6111 2.6.9+ patch
[05:58] <guardianx> how do u type in red? like sometimes people ans my msg and i see it display red ... how do i do that??
[05:58] <Chaotic_Reality> PurpleMotion, cool. Mine is a gateway. :O
[05:58] <troy_> i need the NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6111-jp3.run
[05:58] <nickrud> s/alsa/arts/
[05:58] <kaffeend> xyc0 I have to move a folder there which isn't working in it's current location
[05:58] <Chaotic_Reality> nickrud, so i guess sound is kde's weak point?
[05:58] <PurpleMotion> not really
[05:59] <PurpleMotion> i like arts
[05:59] <Xyc0> kaffeend: ... why don't you tell me your ultimate goal, we can work from there
[05:59] <troy_> ill check in #nvidia
[05:59] <kaffeend> xyco I want to play America's Army
[05:59] <nickrud> Chaotic_Reality, I don't run kde, so I won't say; sound is still the kernel's weakness, though.
[05:59] <troy_> i want to play AA to!
[05:59] <troy_> thats why i need this driver
[05:59] <Chaotic_Reality> it sounds just like the mp3s in gnome, but i've already ran into issues where it thinks something else is open using the sound so it won't work. annoying
[05:59] <Chaotic_Reality> nickrud, ahh
[05:59] <Xyc0> kaffeend: did you type sudo sh AmericasArmy.bin?
[05:59] <kaffeend> troy_ gl with that - was at it all day yesterday
[05:59] <adman_> nickrud: f_newton I am signing off of ubuntu. I attempted redhat at version 6.0, now I will do the same for UBUNTU. See you all in 3 years after I get tired of Windows Vista.
[05:59] <PurpleMotion> my sound works fine, even though its a full duplex card and sure as hell doesnt do full duplex
[06:00] <f_newton> adman_, do what you feel is best
[06:00] <Chaotic_Reality> it'd be cool if my external speakers worked w/ my laptop. i'd be happy
[06:00] <nickrud> adman_, I ran redhat 6.0; switched to debian a while back
[06:00] <kaffeend> xyc0 no I double-clicked the armyops sh file
[06:00] <Xyc0> that is why
[06:00] <PurpleMotion> attitudes like that annoy me
[06:00] <Chaotic_Reality> ?
[06:00] <Xyc0> kaffeend: you need to install it with root permissions, for some odd reason it wont let me as user
[06:01] <kaffeend> Xyc0 It's at /home/me/Desktop/armyops/armyops
[06:01] <f_newton> but honestlyh adman_ we prefer to have the rubes use windows... it gives us greater power over them
[06:01] <nickrud> Chaotic_Reality, it's a matter of the cards, really, not the kernel. Bad memories :)
[06:01] <PurpleMotion> i'll give it a shot for a day, but the first time something doesnt work, im gonna go back to windows.. know what i think? i think you should STAY there.
[06:01] <Xyc0> Purple stop
[06:01] <kaffeend> Xyc0 I can run it, but in-game I enter my username and password, click enter and it times out
[06:01] <f_newton> now now PurpleMotion adman_ is doing the best he knows how
[06:01] <IcemanV9> f_newton: same here .. i always created many programs that will install the app automagically on many boxes back then .. now, we have to depends on Tivoli, Wise or WinInstall to install apps automagically (very expensive way to do it)
[06:02] <Chaotic_Reality> heh i don't recall saying i was going to go back to windows.
[06:02] <f_newton> IcemanV9, I dont
[06:02] <PurpleMotion> YMMV, im just in a bad mood, dont mind me people
[06:02] <f_newton> lol I use what I want to use and the new boys on the block are lost
[06:02] <f_newton> lol
[06:02] <Xyc0> kaffeend: So wait, wait, what does that have to do with copying to usr/local?
[06:03] <kaffeend> Someone in here said that's what I should do
[06:03] <IcemanV9> f_newton: we switched from os/2 to winnt back then .. it's the company's decision (for what i don't care anymore ha!)
[06:03] <kaffeend> Xyc0 someone here suggested it
[06:03] <Xyc0> PurpleMotion: keep it too your self or make a weblog, this room is for helping
[06:03] <f_newton> IcemanV9, nt is built on the os2 model
[06:03] <PurpleMotion> Xyc0: of which i do more than my fair share :) dont mind me, man, bad day
[06:04] <Xyc0> PurpleMotion: no worries dude, I just dont like to see new users put down
[06:04] <PurpleMotion> I just hate to see people give up
[06:04] <kaffeend> PurpleMotion some of us (like moi) are just thick/disabled
[06:04] <PurpleMotion> and some are just SO ready to
[06:04] <PurpleMotion> thick and disables are synonamous? heheheh
[06:04] <PurpleMotion> disabled
[06:05] <Xyc0> kaffeend: the time out sounds like a problem with AA's nickserver
[06:05] <Chaotic_Reality> taking dog for a walk. bbiab
[06:05] <Xyc0> kaffeend: can you play single player?
[06:05] <kaffeend> PurpleMotion I am new, like 1 week new, but I wanna stay coz I can see that this offers every flexibility I could ever want
[06:05] <f_newton> adman_, VISTA hasnt come out yet has it?
[06:05] <DigitalFox> hrm
[06:05] <Xyc0> No
[06:05] <Xyc0> vista is still beta
[06:05] <kaffeend> Xyc0 no - can't even train
[06:05] <adman_> hahaha, man I am not the enemy. I love this stuff. I use linux for firewalls, caching, web-hosting. My issue is that the desktop/I needs to be made easier for the masses.
[06:06] <f_newton> I need a copy to learn the hacks err I mean to investigate its ...security, yeah thats it...
[06:06] <Xyc0> kaffeend: did you install your video card drivers?
[06:06] <PurpleMotion> Xyc0: not saying this is true of the person in question, but far too often i see people try linux just so they can find reasons to feel justified in using windows...
[06:06] <PurpleMotion> adman_: yeah man, my bad
[06:06] <PurpleMotion> and kaffeend
[06:06] <adman_> f_newton: I have to beta and it looks great so far.
[06:06] <PurpleMotion> i know, ive seen you in here EVERY day :)
[06:06] <kaffeend> Xyco um... I think so - nVidia shows on bootup
[06:06] <nickrud> adman_, yeah, a few years of trying tells me you are right ;(
[06:06] <PurpleMotion> and you're learning
[06:06] <Xyc0> PurpleMotion: I agree with you on that, you dont join a distro channel and talk about how much better another distro is
[06:07] <Xyc0> I consider windows a distro of M$
[06:07] <kaffeend> lol AND I'm disabled too
[06:07] <f_newton> adman_, I dont know anyone yet who has had trouble usin this as a desktop... its just when you try to play admin that it gets broken
[06:07] <Xyc0> kaffeend: open terminal and enter: glxinfo
[06:07] <Xyc0> kaffeend: scroll to the top of all that data
[06:08] <kaffeend> Xyc0 yep
[06:08] <Xyc0> kaffeend: tell me if direct rendering is yes
[06:08] <PurpleMotion> Xyc0: i couldnt care less about distro wars, everybody who's worth a damn knows rpm sucks, apt rules :-P It's the people who try linux and just look for something to go wrong and then they say "see thats why i use windows and windows is better" I just like to smash their fscking heads through a wall
[06:08] <z|bandito> i own a box that i loan to some student friends for use as a desktop
[06:08] <f_newton> I have deployed hundreds of fedora desktops in office environments and the people tend to like it better after a few weeks of grumbling.... and believe me ubuntu is much easier then fedora
[06:08] <adman_> Aha, that is where Vista improves on XP and tha others, by not giving full admin priv. to the user.
[06:08] <kaffeend> Xyc0 it is
[06:08] <Xyc0> PurpleMotion: breath brother, breath
[06:08] <nickrud> I hate that a person can walk into the local stationary, sees a $14us package that makes greeting cards, and there's no alternative here
[06:08] <f_newton> adman you can set users in any nt envion
[06:08] <f_newton> environ'
[06:08] <z|bandito> as remote administrator and root, is there a way i can display a message and/or image in a popup window to them?
[06:08] <PurpleMotion> told ya, bro.. BAD day
[06:09] <PurpleMotion> im getting better tho
[06:09] <deacon> D1: You there?
[06:09] <D1> ya
[06:09] <Xyc0> Linux users need a manifest to remind us why we do what we do
[06:09] <z|bandito> like ssh in, and make a window appear on their gnome session with a message and image?
[06:09] <PurpleMotion> but I'm always truly delighted to see people like kaffeend who are not only willing to learn the new system, but seem even eager to do so
[06:09] <Xyc0> manifesto
[06:09] <kaffeend> lol
[06:10] <kaffeend> thanks PurpleMotion
[06:10] <deacon> You might want to re-upload you dsdt file to sourceforge. I just tried to use it, it's totally corrupt.
[06:10] <Xyc0> kaffeend: run americasarmy from terminal
[06:10] <Miks> how can i make the "floppy" drive unit to dissapear from the "Computer", like unmounting it forever...i disconnected it but it still appears in the system
[06:10] <D1> oh sucky.w
[06:10] <kaffeend> and I fucking hate windows with a passion!
[06:10] <Xyc0> kaffeend: do you know how?
[06:10] <D1> what happens when you download it?
[06:10] <deacon> full of ASCII test
[06:10] <guardianx> how do u respond to some1 in the chat room and make them see the font as red?
[06:10] <z|bandito> i guess i could just launch an image viewer remotely, but it's a very old box with limited resources, so i'd like to just have a window appear in the existing gnome session with an 'ok' button or something similar
[06:10] <deacon> text
[06:10] <Xyc0> kaffeend: watch the language
[06:10] <kaffeend> chmod +x /home/etc..?
[06:11] <kaffeend> Xyc0 sorry for the language everyone :s
[06:11] <PurpleMotion> how do you guys think aa will run on my system? i got a 1.7ghz/256k p4, a 128mb radeon9250, 384mb ram, a 120gb uata-100/2mbcache hdd with the latest fglrx drivers (kernel, xorg)
[06:11] <Xyc0> kaffeend: did you try to run AA from terminal?
[06:11] <kaffeend> Xyc0 how do I run it from terminal please?
[06:12] <D1> try right clicking and downloading.
[06:12] <Xyc0> PurpleMotion: run it at lowest possible textures, but keep your resolution resonable
[06:12] <D1> then decompressing it
[06:12] <Madpilot> guardianx: start your line with their nick, usually
[06:12] <PurpleMotion> Xyc0: you really think ill need to set the textures low?
[06:12] <deacon> I used wget actually
[06:12] <deacon> but I can try right click
[06:12] <PurpleMotion> the 9250 is a pretty beefy card
[06:12] <HrdwrBoB> PurpleMotion: not really
[06:12] <bimberi> Miks: Try editing /etc/fstab and commenting out the relevant line (ie. with /dev/fd0 or floppy or the like)
[06:12] <kaffeend> I have a 5700
[06:12] <qwe> WHO KNOWS AMD64s REALLY WELL?????????
[06:13] <kaffeend> :)
[06:13] <Xyc0> PurpleMotion: yes, AA has crazy textures. Not nessisarily good, just high process
[06:13] <zer0> does anyone know how to install bzflag? i'm on hoary and apt-get says "E: Couldn't find package bzflag" . do i need some new servers in my sources.list ?
[06:13] <PurpleMotion> i mean its not spectacular, but it's not shite either
[06:13] <D1> I'll reupload anyway.
[06:13] <zer0> does anyone know how to install bzflag? i'm on hoary and apt-get says "E: Couldn't find package bzflag" . do i need some new servers in my sources.list ?
[06:13] <PurpleMotion> right on
[06:13] <Xyc0> someone kick zero
[06:13] <kaffeend> qwe I have one
[06:13] <Miks> thanks bimberi :)
[06:13] <Madpilot> !lart zer0
[06:13] <PurpleMotion> it's a hell of a lot better than the card i *had*... I had a 16MB 2xAGP ATI Rage 128 Pro Ultra
[06:13] <Xyc0> nice
[06:13] <bimberi> Miks: yw :) did it work?
[06:14] <Xyc0> PurpleMotion: it isnt the card, its the drivers
[06:14] <Madpilot> wow, some of ubotu's larts are pretty evil... ;)
[06:14] <Xyc0> PurpleMotion: ati drivers bottle neck the card
[06:14] <Xyc0> ha ha
[06:14] <Miks> yep!
[06:15] <bimberi> Miks: thanks - I'll lock that one into the personal knowledgebase then :)
[06:15] <Xyc0> zer0: don't spam your question, that doesn't encourage anyone to help you
[06:15] <PurpleMotion> Xyc0: well, the fglrx package maintained by ubuntu failed me, so i used the latest fglrx drivers from ati.com, and yeah i can see where the drivers are bottlenecking the card, but actually i'd prefer that to the problems people have with the accelerated nvidia drivers
[06:15] <kaffeend> Xyc0 I'm not sure how to run AA from Terminal - is it sudo chmod +x /home/me/Desktop/Armyops?
[06:15] <PurpleMotion> cause at least the ati drivers are stable
[06:15] <Miks> hehe...yeah...its kinda funny..but it works..thats why i love this system :)
[06:15] <Xyc0> PurpleMotion: heh, no just stick with the ones ubuntu has
[06:15] <deacon> oh crud. Now/ I've gone and forgotten the "move" command
[06:16] <PurpleMotion> Xyc0: absolutely not. they failed me
[06:16] <f_newton> mv deacon mv
[06:16] <Madpilot> deacon: mv?
[06:16] <Xyc0> kaffeend: oh im sorry, i was looking up the terminal command for you
[06:16] <deacon> oh yeah. duh
[06:16] <Xyc0> kaffeend: one sec
[06:16] <PurpleMotion> i was unable to acheive DRI
[06:16] <kaffeend> Xyc0 ok
[06:16] <PurpleMotion> no matter what i did
[06:16] <PurpleMotion> now, i have dri :)
[06:16] <deacon> I MUST be tired when I make dumb mistakes liek that
[06:16] <f_newton> lol this laptop has a massive 8meg ati mobility one card in it
[06:16] <PurpleMotion> deacon: like misspelling like?
[06:16] <Fizile> whoa buddy
[06:16] <f_newton> lol
[06:16] <deacon> yep. lol
[06:17] <psurani> guys, does download manager in ubuntu suppot resume ?? i mean while downloading is electricity goes off, is it poosible to resume then ??
[06:17] <deacon> neeed sleeeeep
[06:17] <PurpleMotion> go to bed
[06:17] <Xyc0> kaffeend: in terminal: armyops
[06:17] <f_newton> psurani, I really dont know
[06:17] <PurpleMotion> Hai, Dr_Willis
[06:17] <Kyral> away Bedtime
[06:17] <aru> deacon: get a linux book :)
[06:17] <kaffeend> Ubuntu is a bestower of virtues
[06:17] <Kyral> ...damn forgot the /
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> Moo!
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> ;P
[06:17] <Xyc0> kaffeend: when you run it, do everything you normaly want to do
[06:18] <kaffeend> ok Xyc0 thanks
[06:18] <Madpilot> deacon: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands
[06:18] <nickrud> psurani, yes, downloadmanger will resume where the download left off
[06:18] <Xyc0> kaffeend: if it crashes, paste the error in !pastebin
[06:18] <Xyc0> !pastebin
[06:18] <ubotu> pastebin is, like, at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[06:18] <psurani> i m talking abt d4x
[06:18] <kaffeend> didn't crash coz didn't work Xyc0
[06:18] <isai> how do I add a menu entry to the gnome-menu?
[06:18] <nickrud> psurani, I think that's d4x's purpose, if the server will support resume
[06:18] <Xyc0> kaffeend: what was the error?
[06:18] <deacon> ok, now, I knew the command. I'm just so dang tired after spending all day editing ACPI DSDT files and TBshooting them I had a brain fart.
[06:19] <PurpleMotion> bbl, my kid wants to watch bad news bears
[06:19] <kaffeend> Xyc0 bash: armyops: command not found
[06:19] <psurani> nickrud, ahh i see ,thanks
[06:19] <Antiparadigm> What is the name of the file where I would put the [hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdc ] command so that it does it automatically?
[06:19] <deacon> But I do need sleep.
[06:19] <deacon> I thnk I'll pick it up tomorrow
[06:20] <deacon> CU all later!
[06:20] <nickrud> Antiparadigm, is that your cdrom/dvd?
[06:20] <Xyc0> kaffeend: how did you install AA?
[06:20] <Antiparadigm> DVD
[06:20] <Antiparadigm> It is set to dma off by default
[06:20] <IcemanV9> Antiparadigm: /etc/hdparm.conf
[06:20] <Antiparadigm> Cool
[06:20] <Antiparadigm> thanks
[06:20] <nickrud> Antiparadigm, /etc/hdparm is run too early to work.
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> Antiparadigm, i normally put it at the end of that ocnfig file - read the comments.. :P
[06:20] <kaffeend> Xyc0 Ah... Um, I can't remember dude - was a lot of messing about
[06:20] <Antiparadigm> Ok.
[06:20] <Antiparadigm> No prob
[06:20] <psurani> nickrud, , for installing packages like xmms, d4x, will i have to change my repostries, of i can directly execute the sudo apt-get install commands ?
[06:21] <kaffeend> working
[06:21] <Xyc0> kaffeend: well, why don't you try installing it following the directions
[06:21] <Xyc0> kaffeend: sorry if that sounded sarcastic, it wasnt ment to be
[06:21] <nickrud> psurani, for d4x and xmms, specifically, you need to enable universe.
[06:21] <glick> Discovery's cargo module returns to the playload [sic] bay Friday as the crew began to wrap up their work.
[06:21] <glick> lol as seen on CNN.com
[06:22] <psurani> nickrud, , how to enable them ??
[06:22] <nickrud> !tell psurani about repositories
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> :)
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> it has a jungle gym and everything
[06:22] <psurani> nickrud, , i know source.list thing,
[06:22] <psurani> but do i need to add any line in that ?
[06:22] <kaffeend> Xyc0 - but it runs fine- until I hit Login and it says connecting......
[06:22] <Crane> hiya
[06:23] <kaffeend> Xyc0 then times out
[06:23] <Xyc0> sigh
[06:23] <Xyc0> how are you running it?
[06:23] <glick> i have a question about the word "sic'
[06:23] <darkheart> Hello, I've been trying to get fglrx driver to work but I can't seem to be able to. Right now I am trying to build the fglrx module, but I keep failing with the error 'make[1] : Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386' make[1] : Makefile: No such file or directory' Can anyone help me out?
[06:23] <nickrud> psurani, then, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38 is the sources.list you want to have.
[06:23] <kaffeend> Xyco /home/me/Desktop/armyops/armyops
[06:23] <glick> if someone incorrectly uses sic in a sentance where there is no mistake, wont that cause infinite sic recursion whenever someone quotes that sentance
[06:23] <glick> for example...
[06:24] <glick> This sentance is [sic] correct.
[06:24] <glick> so if i quoted that it would be "This sentance is [sic] [sic] correct.
[06:24] <Dr_Willis> sounds like somthing some stuffy english major would come up with.
[06:24] <Madpilot> glick: you're mis-spelling sentence, though ;)
[06:24] <glick> and if i qupted that i would need 3 sics
[06:24] <psurani> nickrud, ,do i need to add that into sources.list or i just open that link ?
[06:24] <Dr_Willis> :P
[06:24] <kaffeend> lol
[06:24] <Madpilot> besides, the whole idea is just [sic]
[06:25] <psurani> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[06:25] <psurani> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[06:25] <psurani> do i have to add it to sources list and then do update ??
[06:26] <glick> u [sic] bastard!
[06:26] <glick> hehe
[06:26] <Xyc0> kaffeend: no, you just got lost in the chat room. You need to use my name to get my attn
[06:26] <Xyc0> kaffeend: In terminal: sh /home/me/Desktop/armyops/armyops
[06:26] <kaffeend> Xyc0 oops - thought I did
[06:27] <bimberi> darkheart: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[06:27] <kaffeend> Xyc0 ok
[06:27] <darkheart> bimberi It is already installed
[06:27] <psurani> guys whats libgimp ? and whats gimp ?
[06:28] <starfishy> hm
[06:28] <glick> gnu image manipulation program
[06:28] <Chaotic_Reality> gimp is a graphic manipulation....the unix version of photoshop i guess
[06:28] <kaffeend> Xyc0 same thing, but I think I know what the problem may be...
[06:28] <starfishy> kaffeend: did it work>?
[06:29] <kaffeend> Xyc0 I haven't registered from this computer with Ubuntu on it - just windows
[06:29] <Xyc0> kaffeend: all that means is you are not entering the correct path to the program
[06:29] <psurani> ahh i see
[06:29] <kaffeend> xyc0 but it's the ONLY path
[06:29] <Xyc0> kaffeend: register where? You have to register?
[06:29] <kaffeend> Xyco I mean to sign up for an account
[06:30] <Xyc0> kaffeend: what account, where?
[06:30] <Xyc0> kaffeend: you can register in wiki.ubuntu.com if you want
[06:30] <Xyc0> !wiki
[06:30] <childe> Can someone help me about my APT?
[06:30] <darkheart> bimberi Is there a way I can find where the xorg-fglrx-driver package is located (ie. which repository)? I've seen it mentioned while trying to get this working.
[06:30] <childe> APT can't authenticate official packages...
[06:30] <Xyc0> kaffeend: try this, try typing the first letter of each directory, then hit tab to complete it
[06:30] <kaffeend> Xyco I mean sign up for an America's Army account (free) to play the game
[06:31] <bimberi> darkheart: You can search on http://packages.ubuntu.com
[06:31] <Xyc0> kaffeend: /home/me/Ar[tab] /ar[tab]
[06:32] <darkheart> bimberi Ahh..too bad. It's not there. I guess it was only for Warty.
[06:32] <bimberi> darkheart: there is xorg-driver-fglrx :)
[06:32] <nickrud> I guess I should look at the initrd more than once ever few years
[06:32] <xnevermore> Hello. Does anyone know how to get dmix to work between multiple users?
[06:33] <darkheart> bimberi Where did you see that? =)
[06:33] <kaffeend> Xyc0 it auto-completed but still same problem timing out in-game
[06:33] <Xyc0> kaffeend: what is th error when it times out
[06:33] <Xyc0> it should say in terminal
[06:33] <bimberi> darkheart: at packages.ubuntu.com (in multiverse)
[06:33] <kaffeend> xyc0 I'll check again... 1 sec please
[06:34] <ksmurf> how in the heck do you remove OS indentificateion (banner?) and postfix ID (banner?)
[06:35] <ksmurf> identifcation
[06:35] <Xyc0> where?
[06:35] <darkheart> bimberi Wow, that sucks. I found it, but every mirror I click on to download it says it can't find it.
[06:35] <ksmurf> On my OS
[06:35] <kaffeend> Xyc0 it says: Xlib: extension "XiG-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD" missing on display ":0.0".
[06:36] <darkheart> bimberi Hmm..I noticed the one I found was in restricted though.
[06:36] <kaffeend> xyc0 brb
[06:36] <bimberi> darkheart: ooh yes - my bad - it is too
[06:37] <Xyc0> ksmurf: what do you mean, on your OS
[06:38] <kaffeend> Xyc0 ok I'm back
[06:38] <bimberi> darkheart: It's working in synaptic for me (I use the au. repos)
[06:38] <bimberi> darkheart: http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/restricted/l/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10/xorg-driver-fglrx_6.8.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu11_i386.deb
[06:38] <kaffeend> Xyco i didn't see any ads when I went into game - normally there're a few pages of ads I think
[06:39] <bimberi> darkheart: by "working" meaning that I can kick off a download
[06:39] <Xyc0> kaffeend: try running the program the same way but with: sudo sh
[06:39] <glick> ubuntu gnome doesnt include a development tools menu by default :(
[06:39] <kaffeend> Xyc0 instead I just have a black screen which loads into the main menu
[06:39] <kaffeend> Xyc0 ok
[06:40] <darkheart> bimberi Thanks. i got it downloaded...Let's hope it works =\
[06:40] <bimberi> darkheart: yw :) good luck
[06:40] <LivingTarget> I have a question when a game crashes what other options are there (if at all) besides ctrl+alt+f1 / ctrl+alt+bckspace?
[06:40] <Xyc0> kaffeend: if that doesn't work, I think you need to fix your x.org
[06:41] <childe> bimberi: Hi, could you please help me fix my APT?
[06:42] <bimberi> childe: hi. Possibly but ask the channel, there's lots of smarter people than me here :)
[06:42] <darkheart> bimberi &*$@#%& =\ No luck...I'm not sure what else I have to do.
[06:42] <childe> bimberi: I've asked three times and nobody ansower...
[06:43] <kaffeend> Xyco think I need to fix my xorg now :P
[06:43] <childe> The problem is, my APT can not authenticate any packages
[06:43] <IcemanV9> childe: check this wiki page > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[06:44] <childe> IcemanV9: But I think that page is for adding external repositories, right?
[06:44] <Xyc0> kaffeend: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:44] <bimberi> childe: what repositories are you using?
[06:44] <childe> IcemanV9: But my APT can not authenticate even official packages
[06:44] <kaffeend> Xyc0 ok I'll be back...
[06:45] <Xyc0> kaffeend: wait, what no stay here
[06:45] <Xyc0> kaffeend: i need to tell you what to do
[06:45] <childe> bimberi: main, restricted and updates
[06:45] <kaffeend> Xyc0 good thing I'm slow :)
[06:45] <satori101> can someone help me with sound probs on a tecra 8100?
[06:45] <brandon> Hey, I've got a problem getting PHP to work with Apache
[06:46] <bimberi> childe: is there anything between "http://" and "archive.ubuntu.com" in your lines in sources.list?
[06:46] <Xyc0> you need to look for Section "Device"
[06:46] <satori101> running hoary and all i get are scratchy sounds when playback is attempted.
[06:46] <Xyc0> kaffeend: look for Section "Device"
[06:46] <childe> For example, when I "apt-get install vim-gnome", it says The following packages cannot be authenticated
[06:46] <Madpilot> brandon: PHP 4 or 5?
[06:46] <brandon> I installed it in the terminal (sudo apt-get install php4), and it went through all that. Then, I'm trying to run a PHP script, and it's asking me to download it.
[06:46] <brandon> PHP 4
[06:46] <Xyc0> kaffeend: what do you see under that
[06:46] <bienve> #ubuntuusers
[06:46] <childe> bimberi: No.
[06:46] <bienve> ups
[06:47] <Madpilot> brandon: have a look here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP
[06:47] <kaffeend> Xyc0 hang on, where's section/device?
[06:47] <brandon> Alright, I'll look there
[06:47] <Xyc0> you need to find those exact words
[06:47] <Xyc0> kaffeend: Control-F
[06:47] <Xyc0> kaffeend: Section "Device"
[06:48] <nickrud> childe, do you have the file /usr/share/keyrings/ubuntu-archive-keyring.gpg?
[06:48] <childe> Here is my sources.list http://pastebin.com/331744
[06:49] <Xyc0> kaffeend: are you still there?
[06:49] <childe> nickrud: Yes.
[06:49] <kaffeend> that's not doing anything Xyc0
[06:49] <childe> I used "file" to check that keyring and no error
[06:49] <Xyc0> kaffeend: merg, up exit that, don't save it
[06:50] <Xyc0> kaffeend: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup
[06:50] <kaffeend> Xyc0 I don't know what you just said to me
[06:50] <Xyc0> kaffeend: exit that window and don't save
[06:50] <kaffeend> Xyc0 ok
[06:51] <nickrud> childe, then try sudo aptitude update, then try installing the files again.
[06:51] <Xyc0> kaffeend: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup
[06:51] <brandon> Alright, I just removed the version of Apache I had, and installed Apache2, and now it won't let me go to localhost...
[06:52] <childe> nickrud: Wow it worked!
[06:52] <Xyc0> kaffeend: did you do that?
[06:52] <nickrud> low hanging fruit :)
[06:52] <brandon> I'm going to restart and see if it works...hand on...
[06:52] <brandon> *hang
[06:52] <kaffeend> Xyc0 yes
[06:52] <childe> nickrud: But I don't what went wrong...I used synaptic before
[06:52] <childe> Maybe it's a bug of synaptic?
[06:52] <lui> Seveas!
[06:52] <Xyc0> kaffeend: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:53] <Xyc0> kaffeend: hold the control key, hit F
[06:53] <nickrud> childe, there were new files available, but you did not have the proper signatures (you hadn't downloaded the latest info)
[06:53] <Xyc0> kaffeend: in the window that pops up
[06:53] <kaffeend> Xyc0 after I type that? Before I hit enter?
[06:53] <nickrud> not a bug, a feature :)
[06:53] <Xyc0> kaffeend: Section "Device"
[06:53] <childe> nickrud: Yeah, indeed, a feature!
[06:53] <Xyc0> kaffeend: yes, in the little window that pops up
[06:53] <childe> nickrud: But it's confusing...IMHO
[06:54] <arpwatch> Could someone tell me what would be preventing me from sending out mail via postfix?
[06:54] <Xyc0> kaffeend: that will show you where in the document that is
[06:54] <nickrud> childe, well, it's a learned thing
[06:54] <Doomhammer> okay, i hit CTRL+ALT+F2... how do I get back into KDE ? ROFL
[06:54] <Xyc0> kaffeend: what is in that little section
[06:54] <Xyc0> kaffeend: pm that to me
[06:54] <childe> :-)
[06:54] <Doomhammer> how do I switch back to screen 0 ?
[06:55] <arpwatch> I'm getting "Connection timed out" when attemping to send mail via postfix
[06:55] <childe> OK. Then, go back to my ipw2100 wireless card...
[06:55] <Xyc0> Doomhammer: Cntrl-Alt F8
[06:55] <Doomhammer> Xyc0: thanks
[06:55] <brandon> Uh...I restarted, and it still won't let me access localhost
[06:55] <troy__> hey does anyone know howto install the sources for 2.6.10-5-386
[06:55] <bimberi> childe: is that not working?
[06:55] <brandon> It says connection was refused
[06:55] <ksmurf> Xyc0 I mean that my banner show's up on things like ipchicken ( linux kernel 2.6.10-5 ubuntu.... etc ) Is there a way to turn that off or change it to say ... unknown?
[06:55] <childe> bimberi: Yes.
[06:55] <kaffeend> Xyc0 Identifier "NVIDIA Corporation NV36 [GeForce FX 5700] nVidia geForce FX 5700"
[06:55] <kaffeend> Driver "nvidia"
[06:55] <kaffeend> BusID "PCI:1:0:0"
[06:55] <kaffeend> VideoRam 131072
[06:55] <kaffeend> Option "UseFBDev" "true"
[06:56] <Madpilot> brandon: did you do the rest of the config stuff from the wiki page?
[06:56] <Xyc0> kaffeend: sigh, i told you to pm it to me
[06:56] <troy__> hey does anyone know howto install the sources for 2.6.10-5-386
[06:56] <childe> bimberi: I use the stock drivers in hoary, not the NDIS driver
[06:56] <kaffeend> Xyc0 sorry I missed that in the sea of red
[06:56] <brandon> I looked at all of it...but I guess I could double check. I lost the link when I restarted. Can you give it to me again?
[06:56] <Xyc0> kaffeend: !pastebin
[06:56] <Xyc0> !pastebin
[06:56] <ubotu> [pastebin] at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[06:56] <bimberi> childe: so do i - works ok on a Dell Inspiron 500m
[06:56] <Doomhammer> wow
[06:56] <benplaut> !download
[06:56] <ubotu> [download] get Ubuntu LiveCD & install ISOs at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/ and if you need information on burning ISOs, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BurningIsoHowto
[06:56] <Doomhammer> that sucked :P
[06:57] <childe> Here is a DELL Latitude D600
[06:57] <Xyc0> Doomhammer: what did?
[06:57] <kaffeend> what's pastebin?
[06:57] <Xyc0> !pastebin
[06:57] <ubotu> rumour has it, pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[06:57] <kaffeend> Xyc0 what's pastebin?
[06:57] <Doomhammer> Xyc0: switching displays and not knowing how to switch back :P
[06:57] <Doomhammer> Xyc0: BTW, it was CTRL+ALT+F7 :/
[06:57] <Xyc0> Doomhammer: it was F7 sorry
[06:57] <Xyc0> Doomhammer: yea my bad
[06:58] <Madpilot> brandon: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP
[06:58] <Xyc0> Doomhammer: not enough lights here
[06:58] <brandon> Alright
[06:58] <Madpilot> brandon: and you almost certainly didn't need to restart the whole box just for Apache2 to start up!
[06:59] <kaffeend> Xyc0 I don't know what you want me to do
[07:00] <arpwatch> Anyone that could help me with postfix?
[07:00] <Xyc0> kaffeend: when you paste large chunks of text, use pastebin and send me the link
[07:00] <kaffeend> Xyc0 ok
[07:00] <bluefoxicy> http://woct-blog.blogspot.com/ schweet
[07:00] <kaffeend> Xyco was only 5 lines tho
[07:01] <brandon> I know I didn't have to restart the whole thing, I meant restart the X Server
[07:01] <kaffeend> Xyc0 please remember that I've only been using Linux and IRC for a few days
[07:02] <Doomhammer> kaffeend: pastebin is a website, where you can post some text and then let someone else look at it
[07:02] <kaffeend> Doomhammer thanks
[07:03] <Doomhammer> kaffeend: np -- we were all newbies at some point :)
[07:03] <Xyc0> kaffeend: im not mad, but ubotu will be
[07:03] <Xyc0> !lart kaffeend
[07:03] <Doomhammer> :O
[07:03] <Doomhammer> lol
[07:03] <arpwatch> hehe
[07:03] <kaffeend> ubotu you can have my mojo
[07:03] <ubotu> kaffeend: No idea
[07:04] <Xyc0> ha ha ha ha
[07:04] <Doomhammer> lol
[07:04] <arpwatch> ubotu I need postfix help
[07:04] <ubotu> arpwatch: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[07:04] <arpwatch> yes
[07:04] <Xyc0> ubotu: what is the meaning of life?
[07:04] <ubotu> I think you lost me on that one, Xyc0
[07:04] <arpwatch> unhelpful bot
[07:04] <Doomhammer> rofl
[07:04] <Doomhammer> you guys need to pro
[07:04] <Amaranth> ubotu: what is smeg?
[07:04] <ubotu> Amaranth: what are you talking about?
[07:04] <Amaranth> damn :P
[07:04] <arpwatch> smegma?
[07:04] <Doomhammer> program it to say "42" when asked "what is the meaning of life" ;)
[07:04] <Xyc0> !smeg
[07:04] <ubotu> rumour has it, smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[07:05] <Doomhammer> ROFL
[07:05] <arpwatch> oh
[07:05] <IcemanV9> does Totem have captioning feature/option??
[07:05] <Amaranth> Xyc0: (i wrote it)
[07:05] <Xyc0> Amaranth: I know, i didn't know if it knew that tho
[07:05] <arpwatch> I don't suppose any of you guys could help me with postfix? It's irritating the hell out of me and google isn't giving me the answers I need
[07:05] <Amaranth> ah
[07:05] <Amaranth> i thought you were trying to help me :)
[07:05] <Xyc0> Amaranth: gj btw, the new one works so much better
[07:05] <Amaranth> postfix? people use that?
[07:05] <Madpilot> ubotu meaning of life is 42
[07:05] <ubotu> okay, Madpilot
[07:06] <Madpilot> !meaning of life
[07:06] <ubotu> methinks meaning of life is 42
[07:06] <arpwatch> Amaranth, what else should I use? :P
[07:06] <Madpilot> there we go.
[07:06] <kaffeend> how do I send a pm in here?
[07:06] <arpwatch> sendmail?
[07:06] <Amaranth> arpwatch: gmail :)
[07:06] <arpwatch> bah!
[07:06] <Madpilot> kaffeend: /msg <user> <msg>
[07:06] <Xyc0> kaffeend: /msg Xyc0 hi
[07:06] <arpwatch> but I really want to know :(
[07:07] <arpwatch> I have an email account, but when I try to send from here to my account its a no go
[07:07] <arpwatch> but I can send locally
[07:07] <Xyc0> ubotu: what is meaning of life?
[07:07] <ubotu> I think you lost me on that one, Xyc0
[07:07] <Amaranth> it's supposed to be able to parse that
[07:07] <Amaranth> ubotu: what is smeg
[07:07] <ubotu> Amaranth: I think you lost me on that one
[07:07] <benplaut> !download
[07:07] <ubotu> [download] get Ubuntu LiveCD & install ISOs at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/ and if you need information on burning ISOs, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BurningIsoHowto
[07:07] <Amaranth> stupid thing
[07:07] <benplaut> woops
[07:08] <Amaranth> ubotu: Amaranth: is this is a test
[07:08] <Madpilot> Amaranth: is ubotu supposed to be able to parse "what is' as well as just "!"?
[07:08] <ubotu> Amaranth: okay
[07:08] <Amaranth> Madpilot: i though
[07:08] <Amaranth> err, thought
[07:08] <Amaranth> ubotu: Amaranth:
[07:08] <ubotu> amaranth: is probably this is a test
[07:08] <geneo93> need some help with tape drive
[07:08] <Amaranth> bah
[07:08] <Amaranth> ok, no more playing with the bot
[07:09] <toresbe> pixie: Yeah, that's cause I moved my stream, it's at http://toresbe.homelinux.org:8000/stream.ogg.m3u atm
[07:09] <toresbe> oops, EWINDOW
[07:09] <guardianx> can i get tv out to work in ubuntu live cd??
[07:09] <Doomhammer> ubotu: what is irssi?
[07:09] <ubotu> Doomhammer: what are you talking about?
[07:09] <Doomhammer> LOL
[07:09] <Doomhammer> it doesn't even know what IRSSI is
[07:09] <crimsun> !info irssi
[07:09] <Xyc0> guardianx: wow you are asking alot of Live-Ubuntu
[07:09] <Doomhammer> !info irssi
[07:09] <crimsun> !info irssi-text
[07:09] <ubotu> irssi-text: (text-mode version of the irssi IRC client), section net, is optional. Version: 0.8.9-1ubuntu3 (hoary), Packaged size: 779 kB, Installed size: 2520 kB
[07:10] <Doomhammer> aah
[07:10] <Doomhammer> !info links2
[07:10] <ubotu> links2: (Web browser running in both graphics and text mode), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 2.1pre15-3 (hoary), Packaged size: 1932 kB, Installed size: 3096 kB
[07:10] <Xyc0> Does Kipponix use TV-Out?
[07:10] <troy__> links2 seems buggy to me
[07:10] <troy__> i use links
[07:10] <Doomhammer> troy__: i hardly ever use it, so meh
[07:10] <arpwatch> !info postfix
[07:10] <ubotu> postfix: (A high-performance mail transport agent), section mail, is important. Version: 2.1.5-9ubuntu3 (hoary), Packaged size: 772 kB, Installed size: 1892 kB
[07:10] <psurani> guys how to install RTFM FFS
[07:10] <psurani> oops sorry
[07:11] <arpwatch> bleh
[07:11] <psurani> guys how to install bangexec-1.3.0.2.tar.bz2
[07:11] <psurani> ???
[07:11] <troy__> well im in a terminal right now
[07:11] <troy__> working on nvidia drivers
[07:11] <troy__> so i apt-get 'd links
[07:11] <troy__> to look at stuff
[07:11] <troy__> :p
[07:12] <psurani> guys how to install bangexec-1.3.0.2.tar.bz2
[07:13] <jtan325> psurani, tar xvjf bangexec....
[07:14] <jtan325> then cd to directory
[07:14] <jtan325> and usually it's
[07:14] <jtan325> ./configure
[07:14] <jtan325> then sudo make
[07:14] <jtan325> then sudo make install
[07:14] <troy__> well im off
[07:14] <troy__> i got it to work
[07:14] <troy__> americas army time!!
[07:14] <Doomhammer> troy__: in linux ?
[07:14] <troy__> (800fps glxgears yay)
[07:14] <troy__> yes
[07:14] <troy__> in linux
[07:14] <Doomhammer> troy__: i've gotta get that setup... i got ut2004 and doom3 running
[07:15] <nightmaster> hello
[07:15] <arpwatch> So, no help with sendmail or postfix?
[07:15] <Doomhammer> hiya nightmaster
[07:15] <troy__> what vidcard?
[07:15] <troy__> i got geforce 2 go
[07:15] <nightmaster> how r u mr hammer
[07:15] <Doomhammer> troy__: ATI Radeon 9800 PRO
[07:15] <troy__> ah
[07:15] <Doomhammer> nightmaster: good, yourself ?
[07:15] <troy__> ati flgr
[07:15] <nightmaster> decent
[07:25] <dbernar1> hi
[07:26] <arpwatch> why oh why does ./configure not run properly....
[07:26] <dbernar1> arpwatch: is that a question?
[07:27] <arpwatch> wow, will you help me?
[07:27] <arpwatch> yeah it was :P
[07:27] <arpwatch> I try to ./configure xmms and it says no acceptable c compiler found in $PATH
[07:27] <dbernar1> ok, well, you gotta do better than that, to get an answer. Everyone here would like to help you. Just we dont know squat;) but, if you put it in a good enough way, more often than not, people will mknow what to do.
[07:27] <arpwatch> which I have never experienced before as every other distro always lets ./configure go fine
[07:27] <Doomhammer> arpwatch: you don't have the C compiler installed... you need to apt-get install gcc
[07:28] <arpwatch> !
[07:28] <ubotu> arpwatch: Are you smoking crack?
[07:28] <nickrud> arpwatch, try doing apt-get install build-essential gaim-dev
[07:28] <arpwatch> I just did an apt get earlier today, what gives
[07:28] <dbernar1> install build-essential why would someone compile xmms?
[07:28] <Myrtti> indeed
[07:28] <Myrtti> my question exactly
[07:28] <arpwatch> dbernar1, I couldn't find a binary
[07:28] <Myrtti> sudo apt-get install xmms?
[07:28] <arpwatch> I haven't used linux in 7 years man, give me a break :(
[07:28] <dbernar1> yeah, you get as many breaks as you need.
[07:29] <arpwatch> wow, thanks Myrtti
[07:29] <nickrud> heh, older question :)
[07:29] <dbernar1> ya that worked?
[07:29] <arpwatch> yeah
[07:29] <Myrtti> lol
[07:29] <dbernar1> great.
[07:29] <Myrtti> sorry
[07:29] <dbernar1> check this out, arpwatch go System>Admin>Synaptic
[07:29] <arpwatch> I'm used to slackware and just ./configure make make install, not this apt get stuff
[07:30] <arpwatch> !
[07:30] <ubotu> arpwatch: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[07:30] <dbernar1> get acquainted to that synaptic program, very cool stuff. use the search function to find stuff.
[07:30] <arpwatch> thanks awesome dbernar1
[07:30] <arpwatch> er thats awesome
[07:30] <arpwatch> :)
[07:30] <dbernar1> ya, thank the ones that made it:)
[07:30] <arpwatch> how do you delete files again? rm -Rf directorynamehere ?
[07:31] <dbernar1> anyhow, I live in winnipeg, canada, and I just went to this thing called folkloraa.
[07:31] <dbernar1> folklorama, and they were dancing ethnic dances, prety cool.
[07:31] <dbernar1> arpwatch: well, you can delete the files using the file manager.
[07:31] <dbernar1> nautilus is what it is called. DO you have a places menu on the top of your screen?
[07:32] <arpwatch> ah yeah I forget about file managers on here, heh
[07:32] <nickrud> dbernar1, local dances, or everyone doing their own?
[07:32] <arpwatch> Linux is so much nicer than it was a decade ago, heh
[07:33] <dbernar1> also, files that are not yours, you need to erase as root. Ubuntu does not have a root account. wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo talks about this. We use sudo to give root privileges to commands.
[07:33] <arpwatch> yeah ubuntu install scared me when it didn't prompt me to enter a root pw
[07:33] <dbernar1> nickrud: each country that organizes/region has their own pavillion, in which they dance their countries' dances, make food, and cakes.
[07:33] <arpwatch> not sure I really like having to sudo all the time
[07:34] <apprentice> Ecuador?
[07:34] <nickrud> ah, food, I'll watch anyone dance if they feed me :)
[07:34] <dbernar1> read that wiki page to learn about the diffs, and how it works, and how to enable a root account should you choose to do so.
[07:34] <iiiears> Hello Ubuntu-ans :)
[07:34] <nickrud> iiiears, hey,
[07:34] <dbernar1> nickrud: well, they get money in return for feeding you..I went to my countrie's, Croatia folklorama tonight.
[07:34] <iiiears> Hi nickrud :)
[07:34] <dbernar1> hey, iiiears
[07:35] <nickrud> bleh
[07:35] <dbernar1> I went to SLovakia+Czech republisc las saunday, and I also went to indochina chinese.
[07:35] <nickrud> well, I'll pay to watch pretty women dance :)
[07:35] <dbernar1> Yeah, its pretty cute, and cool.
[07:35] <impact_hammer> hello
[07:35] <dbernar1> Nice festival.
[07:35] <dbernar1> hi.
[07:35] <Kanbeki> can someone show me an example for symlinks
[07:35] <impact_hammer> i need a bit of help
[07:36] <iiiears> finished an "installrite" file integrity check on my windows machine. - no surprises - altered dlls again.- lol
[07:36] <dbernar1> Kanbeki: for creating one?
[07:36] <Kanbeki> I need to create a symlink between two exes for wine
[07:36] <nickrud> Kanbeki, ln -s ~/.bashrc ~/.gnomerc, for exampel (not one I'd do, though)
[07:36] <dbernar1> Kanbeki: man ln should give youthat info. n -s source destination I think.
[07:36] <Kanbeki> ok
[07:36] <Kanbeki> thanks
[07:36] <dbernar1> Kanbeki: man ln should give youthat info. ln -s source destination I think.
[07:36] <dbernar1> welcome.
[07:36] <dbernar1> impact_hammer: typing?
[07:37] <kaffeend> I have a TGZ folder here - can anyone please tell me what to do with it?
[07:37] <dbernar1> .tgz?
[07:37] <iiiears> Vista will be more secure. - promises Bill Gates. - Uhuh lol
[07:37] <kaffeend> dbernar1 yes
[07:37] <dbernar1> its a "zip" archive.
[07:37] <impact_hammer> hey im tryin 2 find out my root password so i can edit my grub config files
[07:37] <dbernar1> impact_hammer: no root by default in ubuntu, wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo will tell you more abnout that.
[07:37] <iiiears> impacthammer ubuntuguide.org
[07:38] <kaffeend> dbernar1 ok so I just extract it wherever then?
[07:38] <impact_hammer> thanx
[07:38] <nickrud> impact_hammer, sudo gedit /boot/grub.lst, then enter your user password when asked
[07:38] <dbernar1> kaffeend: wherever you want the files, or wherever your computer needs them, yes.
[07:38] <hyphenated> impact_hammer: sudo editorprogram /path/to/file
[07:38] <dbernar1> kaffeend: are you installing something?
[07:38] <kaffeend> dbernar1 ok thanks
[07:38] <iiiears> Had the impression he set a grub password.
[07:38] <dbernar1> welcome.
[07:38] <dbernar1> maybe...
[07:39] <nocloud> does anybody here know how to change my AIM profile in kopete?
[07:39] <duncanm> is there a prepackaged version of gtkpod?
[07:39] <dbernar1> not likely, it is more likely connected to AIM, try doing it online.
[07:39] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[07:39] <duncanm> i can't find one for 0.94
[07:39] <kaffeend> dberna1 yes cedega
[07:39] <dbernar1> !info gtkpod tells you this. Try using /msg ubotu info gtkpod
[07:40] <duncanm> Version: 0.88-1 (hoary), i'm looking for 0.94
[07:40] <dbernar1> kaffeend: good luck:) #cedega also.
[07:40] <nocloud> HrdwrBoB: were you replying yes to my question about AIM profiles?
[07:40] <HrdwrBoB> nocloud: no
[07:40] <kaffeend> ok thanks dberna1
[07:40] <Trilobite> i was in here earlier asking about the live cd, well now i've got that up and running and managed to connect to the internet with it (w00t!), does anyone know if its inability to get anything better than 640x480 resolution is because the live cd has reduced monitor support, or because ubuntu in general doesn't like my screen?
[07:40] <dbernar1> looked at backports, or breezy repos?
[07:40] <nocloud> :(
[07:41] <gpd> Anyone know how to patch Call of Duty to 1.5 ... seems to not find the cd key (despite it being there for v1.0)
[07:41] <duncanm> dbernar1: i think i have backports in my sources.list, not there either
[07:41] <Myrtti> Trilobite: I put my money on the latter
[07:41] <Kanbeki> Uh..Wine is giving me this error for Warcraft III: ROC 1.18 with a retail cd err:module:import_dll Library OPENGL32.dll
[07:41] <Trilobite> arh
[07:41] <dbernar1> nocloud: not likely, it is more likely connected to AIM, try doing it online.
[07:41] <Kanbeki> I am using xorg-fglrx drivers if it makes any difference
[07:41] <gpd> I tried to rsync from my windows install but it broke everything
[07:41] <arpwatch> dbernar1, now if I give you all I know about why my postfix won't send messages, can you help me there as well?
[07:42] <dbernar1> wtf postfix?
[07:42] <arpwatch> what else can I send email from my computer with? I don't think sendmail is on here
[07:42] <dbernar1> no, I am asking what it is, sorry, dunno
[07:42] <nickrud> exim, arpwatch
[07:42] <arpwatch> oh
[07:42] <arpwatch> k nick
[07:43] <nickrud> It'll break ubuntu base, but I've used a for a while
[07:43] <nocloud> dbernar1: what do you mean by "doing it online" ?
[07:43] <arpwatch> break it eh? why does it come with postfix then if it doesn't work "out of the box" ?
[07:44] <dabaR> gtkpod: (manage songs and playlists on an Apple iPod), section universe/sound, is extra. Version: 0.93.1-1 (breezy), Packaged size: 443 kB, bla bla...
[07:44] <kaffeend> is #cedega full of bots?
[07:44] <kaffeend> is there a way to ask a question or something?
[07:44] <dabaR> nocloud: like, looking up your profile through google, or aim.com, and there will be a function to moduify it most likely.
[07:44] <dabaR> kaffeend: no idea, I dont play games:(
[07:45] <dabaR> ok, I am going to bed, I think.
[07:45] <Trilobite> is there any information on the wiki or somewhere about monitor support and known problems with particular models? (mine is a pretty normal dell one)
[07:45] <benplaut> 'night
[07:45] <arpwatch> What are the consequences of breaking the ubuntu-base?
[07:45] <dabaR> Trilobite: /msg ubotu fixres
[07:46] <dabaR> benplaut: yep, thanks.
[07:46] <Trilobite> thanks
[07:47] <nickrud> arpwatch, ubuntu-base is a list of packages that ubuntu uses to provide basic functionality (like mail). If you use something
[07:47] <cayne1> heya
[07:47] <benplaut> hi
[07:47] <cayne1> has anyone had problems with wine in ubuntu
[07:47] <cayne1> worked fine in kubuntu
[07:48] <nickrud> outside that list (and therefore removing the master list) if the master list changes, you miss out on the change.
[07:48] <kaffeend> how do I run a .deb file please?
[07:48] <arpwatch> wow, so it really fubars my apt get abilities then?
[07:48] <nickrud> Not a disaster
[07:48] <Kanbeki> cayne1, I've had nothing but problems with wine
[07:49] <h08817> ok
[07:49] <nickrud> arpwatch, no, apt-get is what lets you get what you want if you thing the master list is not quite right
[07:49] <duncanm> what's the deal? libfaac-dev: Depends: libfaac0 (= 1.24-0.0) but 1.24-0.3 is to be installed
[07:49] <nickrud> s/thing/think
[07:49] <iiiears> 6 flaws recently uncovered in the linux kernel. patches available. windows XP 65k flaws and still counting. - Anyone willing to try Windows Vista? - lol
[07:49] <cayne1> Kanbeki...i got it to run mirc with invision a couple of days ago...now with a fresh install. i can't
[07:49] <arpwatch> ah,
[07:49] <h08817> any reason why my ubuntu system locks completely up sometimes and i have to hit the powerswitch?
[07:49] <duncanm> jdub: hey?
[07:49] <jdub> hi duncanm
[07:50] <Kanbeki> cayne1, I had it running Warcraft III and now suddenly I'm getting an OpenGL error
[07:50] <kaffeend> h08817 mine does it too, but it's my fault apparently
[07:50] <jbloudg20> hey can anyone help me to install fluxbox?
[07:50] <kaffeend> how do I run a .deb file please?
[07:50] <h08817> kaffeend, what did u do?
[07:50] <cayne1> what irc client are most people using
[07:50] <dabaR> kaffeend: a deb file is to be insatlled. if you are sure you want to install this particular file, you do sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[07:50] <h08817> kaffeend, isn't it the dpkg command
[07:50] <kaffeend> h08817 I dunno but the software is perfect apparently
[07:50] <bimberi> kaffeend: dpkg -i foo.deb
[07:50] <h08817> hmm
[07:51] <kaffeend> dabar thanks
[07:51] <dabaR> cayne1: I think xchat. irssi is what I use, also some use bitchX, and others, like gaim.
[07:51] <duncanm> jdub: are you reading priv. messages?
[07:51] <h08817> well thanks for the support now i know it isn't only me
[07:51] <nocloud> do you guys get a nasty clicking noise from the hard drive when you guys shut down?
[07:51] <Madpilot> nocloud: clicking noises from hard drives are rarely good news...
[07:51] <apprentice> no i dont
[07:51] <benplaut> nocloud: nope... sounds like the moving peices inside are failing
[07:52] <supernix> hi anyone using Mozilla mail ?
[07:52] <apprentice> nop
[07:52] <dabaR> jbloudg20: more than sudo aptitude install fluxbox?
[07:52] <jbloudg20> is that all I have to do?
[07:52] <dabaR> duncanm: dont pm people. check this out, tho... /join #flood and then /exec -o cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:53] <nocloud> well, this is weird...i don't get that noise when i shut down from windows....
[07:53] <dabaR> jbloudg20: should be.
[07:53] <nocloud> the hard drive only clicks when shutting down in linux
[07:53] <jbloudg20> "Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "fluxbox"
[07:53] <jbloudg20> "
[07:53] <kaffeend> well, I've done something wrong again - it's not installing cedega
[07:53] <dabaR> h08817: when does this thing lock up, do you do anything, and so on.
[07:54] <arpwatch> nickrud, shouldn't exim automagically send my queued mail, or is there something I should perform? I'm having the same problem that I did with postfix
[07:54] <nickrud> arpwatch, they keep different queues, for one.
[07:54] <iiiears> !xwindows
[07:54] <ubotu> I guess xwindows is not it's name! It's either "X" or "X Window System", see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System#Nomenclature
[07:55] <arpwatch> the mail just sits in my queue until it says "Connection timed out"
[07:55] <iiiears> hm - that was helpful.
[07:55] <arpwatch> different queues, I just use "mailq" for everything
[07:55] <dabaR> no cloud, mine makes one clicking sound, not many
[07:55] <arpwatch> should I use something else?
[07:55] <dabaR> nocloud, mine makes one clicking sound, not many
[07:55] <dabaR> jbloudg20: /msg ubotu info fluxbox
[07:56] <nickrud> arpwatch, I use exim for the debconf scripting: it asks for a smarthost, I give it, add a password (I'd have to look that up again) and mail works.
[07:56] <kaffeend> dabaR I couldn't install that .deb file with sudo dpkg -i etc..
[07:56] <nocloud> i get one click too....
[07:56] <nocloud> its rather loud
[07:56] <nocloud> and sounds nasty
[07:56] <glick> excuse me how can i set it up so that the user cant shutdown the computer from gnome or anyplace else without putting the sudo password
[07:56] <glick> ?
[07:56] <nocloud> and windows doesn't do it....
[07:56] <nickrud> postfix always jerked me around in redhat and lfs
[07:56] <HrdwrBoB> glick: system-> logout
[07:56] <HrdwrBoB> selet shutdown
[07:56] <dabaR> what error kaffeend, did you try sudo dpkg, or just dpkg?
[07:56] <nocloud> hard drives are mechanical....grrr...even one click can't be good
[07:57] <iiiears> Smorgasbord of window managers for "The X Windows System"http://www.plig.org/xwinman/
[07:57] <dabaR> universe/ is where it is, jbloudg20, that means you need to add universe to sources.list. /msg ubotu addingrepositories
[07:57] <glick> HrdwrBoB, i want the person to have to enter the password to be able to shutdown the machine
[07:57] <kaffeend> dabar I tried sudo dpkg and got: Errors were encountered while processing:
[07:57] <kaffeend> /home/me/Cedega-4.2.1-DEB.3282285.TPB/cedega_4.2.1-1_i386.deb
[07:57] <dabaR> jbloudg20: actually [repositories] at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:58] <arpwatch> nickrud, I'm kind of lost in the whole debain thing, do I need to run a configure on exim before it works?
[07:58] <dabaR> kaffeend: best place to ask is #cedega, I think, no idea why you would get that.
[07:58] <supernix> hi anyone know how to fix the problem with Mozilla Mail & News ?
[07:58] <jbloudg20> ok ill give that a try
[07:58] <jbloudg20> thanks
[07:58] <kaffeend> dabar nobody answers in there - it's a ghost town
[07:58] <arpwatch> running "exim4" just spits some junk at me
[07:58] <dabaR> nocloud: mine did not in win neither, but does this since warty, and in debian, I think, I never shut down debian:)
[07:58] <iiiears> ubotu forget xwindows
[07:58] <ubotu> i forgot xwindows, iiiears
[07:59] <kaffeend> dabaR I do have a 64 bit system btw
[07:59] <ray_> anyone familiar with xfce?
[07:59] <dabaR> kaffeend: it is called patience:P
[07:59] <benplaut> ray_: somewhat...
[07:59] <kaffeend> whatever
[07:59] <dabaR> kaffeend: just wait there, or something, or ask here again, I really dont know about that package...
[07:59] <ray_> benplaut, do you know how to get things to start when xfce starts?
[08:00] <glick> is there anyway i can make it so the user cant shutdown the machine?
[08:00] <benplaut> ray_: nope :P
[08:00] <nocloud> dabaR: did the click occur in previous versions of ubuntu?
[08:00] <iiiears> ubotu xwinman is Freedom of choice. Window managers for "The X Windows System"http://www.plig.org/xwinman/
[08:00] <ubotu> okay, iiiears
[08:00] <benplaut> that's one of the main reasons i stopped using it
[08:00] <dabaR> supernix: oh, you mean *the* problem with that, oh yeah, sure I know how to fix "the problem" :P
[08:00] <nickrud> arpwatch, hm, I'd suggest what I'm using now, cuz I'm too lazy to look all that stuff up again: evolution, and have it get and drop mail. Sometimes I regret dropping my debian install, because I did this stuff once and it worked forever.
[08:01] <supernix> dabaR: anyone that knows anything about the mozilla issue will know the answer
[08:01] <glick> also how can i edit my gnome menu
[08:01] <dabaR> there is a mozilla issue?
[08:01] <supernix> Yes
[08:01] <supernix> I just installed it
[08:01] <dabaR> glick: smeg. /msg ubotu smeg
[08:02] <supernix> and it can't find the xul file I think messenger.xul was it
[08:02] <arpwatch> nickrud, ok I do use evolution as well for my general email account, but in redhat 5.1 I could use sendmail to send mail directly from the console somehow
[08:02] <dabaR> supernix: and it has a message on the title bar, find out about the mozilla problem with ubuntu?
[08:02] <iiiears> glick - your gnome applications menu? - amaranth's "smeg" simple menu editor for gnome.
[08:02] <supernix> it wont start
[08:02] <glick> iiiears, i have to to install smeg?
[08:03] <dabaR> iiiears: now with magical system menu editing capabilities..:)
[08:03] <monsterror> Can someone help me install IRSSI? I tried apt-get but it says the package isn't available.
[08:03] <iiiears> It's a very handy app.
[08:03] <dabaR> glick: no, you dont have to...
[08:03] <iiiears> Awesome. (yep, californian. - lol)
[08:03] <dabaR> monsterror: did you try irssi in a terminal?
[08:03] <glick> isnt there a simple way to do it through gnome? why do i need a third party app to edit my menus?
[08:03] <monsterror> No I didnt, and that would be my problem.
[08:03] <aru> monsterror: it was already installed here
[08:04] <dabaR> there is in some installations of the gnome menu, like the warty one, or the debian sarge one.
[08:04] <aaronc> lo
[08:04] <dabaR> not the hoary one, tho, glick .
[08:04] <aaronc> how do I change the keyboard layout in the terminal
[08:04] <aaronc> ?
[08:04] <direwolf> yo
[08:04] <dabaR> haha, good stuff that monsterror.
[08:04] <arpwatch> :)
[08:04] <direwolf> layered tech, stop
[08:05] <benplaut> !xfce
[08:05] <ubotu> xfce is probably a lightweight Desktop Environment that uses GTK. to install, "sudo apt-get install xfce4". http://www.xfce.org/
[08:05] <arpwatch> nickrud, I don't know any other way to explain what I'm trying to do, because I'm not that good at linux to begin with, and I haven't used it in 7yrs
[08:05] <dabaR> direwolf: what?
[08:05] <glick> anyone know how i can disable a users ability to shutdown the system through gnome?
[08:05] <dabaR> arpwatch, just one email message?
[08:06] <arpwatch> yeah I just want to send one message via postfix/sendmail/exim to a friend
[08:06] <arpwatch> or at least my own account
[08:06] <dabaR> you could type out a file, and then mail [email protected] < file, that sends the file to receiving address from not sure which email address.
[08:07] <ray_> xfce is gnome done right....so they say
[08:07] <arpwatch> I could dig up my rh 5.1 distro and do it in 5 minutes, heh
[08:07] <arpwatch> hmm
[08:07] <benplaut> they got a few things very wrong
[08:07] <nickrud> dabaR, except, there's no mail command here
[08:07] <dabaR> mailx?
[08:07] <nickrud> no
[08:07] <dabaR> has to be.
[08:07] <dabaR> its a unix.
[08:07] <nickrud> heh
[08:07] <dabaR> you sure?
[08:08] <dabaR> cause on this debian there is one on default, and I used it on warty b4...
[08:08] <nickrud> mail<tab> gets me nothing
[08:08] <dabaR> just type in mail and hit enter.
[08:08] <nickrud> breezy
[08:08] <dabaR> youre usuing breezy?
[08:08] <nickrud> no such command :)
[08:08] <dabaR> well, then, maybe that is why it is not there, although, that is weird, for sure.
[08:09] <dabaR> glick, from gdm?
[08:09] <glick> dabaR, from gdm and from inside gnome when you logout you have the option
[08:10] <ray_> how do i make applications start at boot in xfce
[08:10] <dabaR> glick, approzimately, since my gnome panel and menu are different. System>Admin, or prefs, or Appls>System Tools, then look for login screen manager
[08:10] <dabaR> ray_: start at boot, or start at login?
[08:10] <ray_> dabaR, sorry login
[08:11] <dabaR> in there, there should be a security tab. see if secure actions menu is checked off.
[08:11] <nickrud> dabaR, yeah, I'm trying breezy since the topic no longer uses uppercase when telling us not to :)
[08:11] <dabaR> ray_: not sure, IO used to ask at #xfce when I used that.
[08:11] <dabaR> oh, wow, it really does not:)
[08:11] <ray_> dabaR, yeah i think they are all asleep
[08:12] <glick> ok cool
[08:12] <dabaR> ray_: look for a xfce-sessions in the preferences/system tools, or such menu.
[08:12] <glick> thanks
[08:12] <dabaR> glick: hows that work?
[08:12] <glick> dabaR, ima try it
[08:12] <dabaR> werd
[08:12] <dabaR> :)
[08:13] <dabaR> I need to go to sleep so I can wake up at 6:30, and work tech support through chat:)
[08:13] <dabaR> which is the same I do here...so boring a life...
[08:13] <nickrud> heh
[08:13] <dabaR> jj, I haev fun all the time, and even when helping ppl I learn so much...
[08:14] <dabaR> half this stuff I dont know before you ask, and I look it all up...so I know for myself when I need it.
[08:14] <dabaR> ok, night.
[08:15] <ray_> brb'
[08:15] <direwolf> sometimes i despise the internet
[08:15] <dabaR> direwolf: you are confusing.
[08:15] <nickrud> good night, dabaR :)
[08:16] <johanbr> Hi. Does anyone know why a file that's supposedly text can only be displayed by "more", with all other programs just giving me binary garbage?
[08:16] <dabaR> direwolf> layered tech, stop
[08:16] <dabaR> see ya nickrud .
[08:17] <direwolf> i just dont why people cant keep to themselves, that is all
[08:17] <ray_> benplaut, i figured it out
[08:18] <z|bandito> what is the process popsquares?
[08:19] <ray_> how do i start nautilus without opening the file-browser just the desktop?
[08:20] <nickrud> ray_, you can try nautilus --no-default-window
[08:20] <LinuxDolt> how would you go about creating your own local repository?
[08:20] <direwolf> whats up with that
[08:20] <ray_> nickrud, thank you
[08:21] <nickrud> LinuxDolt, apt-proxy is good, and can lead you into some other methods
[08:21] <ratty> anyone know how to find an old friend??
[08:22] <nickrud> apt-cache search old-friend
[08:22] <mustafu> heh
[08:22] <apprentice> on myspace maybe ratty
[08:23] <ratty> do you know if its poss to find out her phone no.
[08:23] <_olaf> www.whitepages.com
[08:23] <kaffeend> can someone please show me how to format my hard druve?
[08:23] <_olaf> search by name, reverse phone, reverse addy
[08:23] <_olaf> among other things
[08:23] <kaffeend> drive*
[08:23] <ratty> il try that site
[08:23] <direwolf> wow, impressive
[08:23] <gpd> when did this turn into #stalking
[08:24] <ray_> kaffeend, go to bootdisk.com and get a dos floppy ...boot to it and format
[08:24] <kaffeend> ray_ I don't have a floppy drive
[08:24] <nickrud> LinuxDolt, dpkg-scanpackages is also very useful for a few packages you maintain locally.
[08:24] <h08817> my mouse won't work in ubuntu are there drivers i can get?
[08:24] <apprentice> well imon #slalking if u need help
[08:24] <gpd> kaffeend: how basic are we talking?
[08:25] <direwolf> hahaha someone hacked me
[08:25] <h08817> how do u know?
[08:25] <direwolf> im gettingsent to google.dk
[08:25] <kaffeend> gpd sorry?
[08:25] <ray_> kaffeend, ok scratch that
[08:25] <kumaran> hi
[08:25] <gpd> kaffeend: well do you know about fdisk / mkfs / anything?
[08:25] <h08817> my mouse won't work in ubuntu
[08:26] <ray_> kaffeend, have you tried setting you bios up to boot to cdrom
[08:26] <kaffeend> gpd very Basic then :s
[08:26] <kaffeend> ray_ yes
[08:26] <ray_> kaffeend, and xp still wont boot?
[08:26] <kaffeend> ray_ correct
[08:26] <kaffeend> it's still on my HDD ray_
[08:27] <ray_> kaffeend, yeah but you should still bea able to boot
[08:27] <kaffeend> but it's missing a file from the ubuntu install
[08:27] <h08817> any idea where i can get drivers for a logitech mouse?
[08:27] <ratty> is there any other way to find her tried whitepages
[08:27] <direwolf> got past router, port scanned my local address, tried a dos ....
[08:27] <kaffeend> as in, when I performed the ubuntu install
[08:27] <ray_> kaffeend, ive never had xp not boot to the cd no matter what the deal is...and im A+ certified
[08:28] <kaffeend> hmmm...
[08:28] <ray_> kaffeend, ubuntu wouldnt just delete windows files
[08:28] <kaffeend> ray_ well, it checks my hardware config and then just dies or freezes
[08:28] <pussfeller> most mice should be covered
[08:28] <mustafu> my xp installs went that way...with a bad power supply of course :/
[08:29] <kaffeend> ray_ my hd was unpartitioned before the ubuntu install, that's why I thought the two things were related
[08:29] <glick> its nice to see that adobe is no longer ignoring linux and finally provided a nice up-to-date acrobat reader
[08:29] <h08817> wow the ubuntu home page is down
[08:29] <glick> the sons-o-bitches
[08:29] <kaffeend> my partitioning of the HDD
[08:29] <ray_> kaffeend, yeah u are right that might be the issue
[08:29] <h08817> otherwise i would say that u could get the tutorial about the smartbootmanager
[08:30] <kaffeend> so I need to install windows on a clean drive and partition at the same time
[08:30] <h08817> boot to cd with a floppy
[08:30] <ray_> kaffeend, does the ubuntu disk boot
[08:30] <kaffeend> ray_ yep
[08:30] <ray_> kaffeend, so partition using the ubuntu setup
[08:31] <anacron> does ubuntu support ups devices well?
[08:31] <kaffeend> ray_ partition again with the same installation setup?
[08:31] <ray_> kaffeend, yeah but dont install just partition
[08:32] <kaffeend> ray_ wow I can do that? hmmm...
[08:32] <ray_> kaffeend, you have the coice to manually partition
[08:32] <kaffeend> ray_ pity I don't know anything about partitioning, heh?
[08:32] <direwolf> doh
[08:33] <ray_> kaffeend, if you just go into the partioner and delete all partitions windows should boot
[08:33] <nickrud> kaffeend, you're just trying to get your windows partition to boot? (after an ubuntu install)
[08:33] <kaffeend> ray_ excuse my ignorance, but where can I find the partitioner?
[08:34] <kaffeend> nickrud yep
[08:34] <glick> its amazing how much faster xfce loads compared to gnome
[08:34] <nickrud> kaffeend, join #flood, I have a generic grub stanza you can add that will boot most windows installs
[08:34] <ray_> kaffeend, hey dont beat yourself up......go through the menus you will get to where it has a partition dialog......you can choose manually partition
[08:34] <kaffeend> nickrud okay thanks
[08:39] <kaffeend> nickrud I must confess that I feel like I've been handed sacred chinese texts :s
[08:40] <kaffeend> nickrud keyword being Chinese
[08:40] <nickrud> lol
[08:40] <nickrud> sacred, more like, I can read these ;P
[08:40] <kaffeend> as in wtf is this shit? :P
[08:40] <zer0> how do you view files on other hard drives? i went to Places -> Computer but i can only see cd drive and floppy drive
[08:42] <nickrud> kaffeend, sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst ; then add the text I gave you to the end of that file.
[08:42] <kaffeend> nickrud I was jk before dude
[08:42] <kaffeend> nickrud thanks mate
[08:42] <nickrud> ah, so, I don't have to walk you through it all, thank you ;P
[08:42] <anacron> how good pc i need for 686 kernel?
[08:42] <anacron> is 400mhz alright?
[08:43] <nickrud> anacron, what does uname -a say?
[08:43] <anacron> nickrud: im not in that machine right now
[08:43] <aaronc> how do I change my locale for date and time purposes?
[08:44] <anacron> aaronc: with date?
[08:44] <Madpilot> aaronc: right-click on the clock, Adjust Date & Time
[08:44] <ilba7r> is there an integrated development environment under gnome like kdevelop?
[08:44] <nickrud> anacron, if uname -m says i686, you'll be ok
[08:44] <anacron> nickrud: okay
[08:44] <aaronc> anacron: from the terminal
[08:44] <aaronc> madpilot: from the terminal
[08:45] <nickrud> aaronc, dpkg-reconfigure locales?
[08:45] <aaronc> how do I adjust my location settings
[08:45] <anacron> aaronc: did you check what date says
[08:45] <nickrud> aaronc, dpkg-reconfigure locales is the base stuff
[08:46] <anacron> nickrud: that's just a keyboard layout?
[08:46] <anacron> least for me it is
[08:46] <Madpilot> aaronc: hmm, sorry, no idea!
[08:46] <nickrud> aaronc, then, when you log in, you can choose a language you've configured from the login screen
[08:46] <nickrud> anacron, no, that is not keyboard, that is display
[08:47] <anacron> nickrud: yeah anyways that won't affect you time settings
[08:47] <aaronc> okay thanks I'' try logging out
[08:47] <nickrud> anacron, sorry, then tzconfig is what you want
[08:47] <anacron> aaronc: tzconfig
[08:47] <anacron> :D
[08:48] <anacron> damn he got away...
[08:48] <transgress_> i have discovered something
[08:48] <nickrud> it was tab completion, I swear
[08:48] <transgress_> xchat-text is no good
[08:48] <transgress_> brb
[08:48] <anacron> i prefer irssi :)
[08:49] <TestDummy> Whoa. 462 people, nuts o_o
[08:49] <TestDummy> Er, hm
[08:49] <TestDummy> I'm forgetting, isn't DMA disabled by default for optical drives in Ubuntu?
[08:50] <brokeboy> I've read the unoffical guide and did what it said about installing shit but i cant get any programs to work. and yes i got ubuntu today.
[08:50] <nickrud> brokeboy, so, you linux savvy?
[08:50] <brokeboy> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[08:51] <PurpleMotion> !ubuntuguide
[08:51] <ubotu> I heard ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[08:51] <PurpleMotion> please, do NOT recommend the ubuntuguide
[08:51] <brokeboy> these mutherfuckers dont know what they're talking about
[08:51] <nickrud> brokeboy, use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38 as repositories
[08:51] <PurpleMotion> these what?
[08:51] <PurpleMotion> welcome to ignore, asshole.
[08:52] <TestDummy> Ouch.
[08:52] <nickrud> brokeboy, it has it's problems, but it has it's goodies as weel
[08:52] <glick> hey is there a way i can force my sudo privs to expire?
[08:52] <TestDummy> So, yeah, I forget if it's disabled or not.
[08:52] <PurpleMotion> erm
[08:52] <iiiears> "exit"
[08:52] <PurpleMotion> holdon
[08:52] <PurpleMotion> methinks i jumped the gun
[08:53] <PurpleMotion> brokeboy: are you saying that the ubuntuguide failed you? (those mf'ers)?
[08:53] <ray_> no sound in gaim : (
[08:53] <brokeboy> they told me to change my repositorys but all they had was two lines diffrence and they said this : ## Backports
[08:53] <brokeboy> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[08:53] <brokeboy> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[08:53] <PurpleMotion> ray_: go to custom command, and put in play %s
[08:53] <PurpleMotion> brokeboy: that's why we dont use the ubuntuguide
[08:53] <PurpleMotion> go here
[08:53] <PurpleMotion> watch ubotu
[08:53] <ray_> PurpleMotion, play %s or just s
[08:53] <PurpleMotion> !repositories
[08:53] <ubotu> well, repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[08:53] <synn> ubuntuguide is no help for anyone new
[08:53] <brokeboy> what did that script do?
[08:53] <PurpleMotion> ray_: play %s
[08:53] <ray_> ok
[08:54] <TestDummy> Whoa.
[08:54] <PurpleMotion> there are actually official backports repositories
[08:54] <PurpleMotion> !backports
[08:54] <ubotu> I heard backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[08:54] <brokeboy> what the hell is that?
[08:54] <nickrud> brokeboy, that ubotu link is the good, but the one I gave you is officially canonical :)
[08:54] <TestDummy> Heh, the Wiki assumes hdc is the cd drive.
[08:54] <TestDummy> It's hdb for me :|
[08:54] <TestDummy> I think I just answered my own question
[08:54] <HrdwrBoB> TestDummy: hdb?
[08:54] <HrdwrBoB> you're on crack
[08:54] <TestDummy> Er
[08:54] <PurpleMotion> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[08:54] <TestDummy> Yeah it's getting late.
[08:54] <glick> anyone here using ubuntu as a server?
[08:54] <PurpleMotion> thats what you want, brokeboy
[08:54] <HrdwrBoB> the CD should really be on a seperate channel
[08:54] <PurpleMotion> sorry for jumping the gun earlier
[08:54] <HrdwrBoB> the CD should be hdc or hdd
[08:55] <TestDummy> Well, the way mine is
[08:55] <HrdwrBoB> and the hard drive hda
[08:55] <ray_> PurpleMotion, didnt work
[08:55] <glick> or is that a role best reserved for debian sarge?
[08:55] <TestDummy> The first drive (hda) and cd drive (hdb) are on one, then the second drive is on the secondard channel, so it's hdc.
[08:55] <cafuego_> glick: debian is proven...
[08:55] <PurpleMotion> ray_: hrmm, you dont have play?!?
[08:55] <TestDummy> Sounds pretty logical to me
[08:55] <PurpleMotion> ray_: sound in general works, right?
[08:55] <ray_> PurpleMotion, no it said i didnt
[08:55] <ray_> PurpleMotion, yeah
[08:55] <TestDummy> I really know it could be set up better, but space is tight, small case.
[08:56] <nickrud> optomization welcome :)
[08:56] <cafuego_> Sheesh, even my 12 year old EXTERNAL scsi hdd is bigger then that ;-)
[08:57] <PurpleMotion> ray_: finding the package, holdon
[08:57] <TestDummy> Bleh, I used to have Ubuntu on a 20GB
[08:57] <nickrud> I have two scsi disks on the shelf, and I'm looking at raiding them soon :)
[08:57] <TestDummy> Then it died, and I lost my bootloader. But I fixed that, tossed in a 10 and yeah.
[08:57] <PurpleMotion> okay, i give up
[08:57] <TestDummy> I'm insane :(
[08:58] <PurpleMotion> what fsckin package is play part of?
[08:58] <cafuego_> TestDummy: Mb, not Gb.
[08:58] <TestDummy> They made 10MB hard drives in 1999?
[08:58] <HrdwrBoB> nickrud: haha
[08:58] <HrdwrBoB> nickrud: time to throw stuff out
[08:58] <glick> damn i have soo much collective diskspace i dont know what to do with it all :(
[08:58] <TestDummy> Wait
[08:58] <TestDummy> I'm lost
[08:58] <cafuego_> TestDummy: Mine's a 20MB scsi
[08:58] <TestDummy> The colours, they are getting all mixed up :S
[08:58] <Madpilot> bah, my two optical drives are hda & hdb - my only HDD is a 120Gb SATA - sda...
[08:58] <glick> 300 gigs connected to my laptop alone
[08:59] <glick> 200 gigs on other servers
[08:59] <cafuego_> glick: iso mirror
[08:59] <iiiears> PurpleMotion - aptitude or synaptic "play" search should turn up something
[08:59] <HrdwrBoB> I have three 200gb disks in a raid array which is full
[08:59] <TestDummy> For some reason, I remember Flash drives being sda :|
[08:59] <HrdwrBoB> I need another two
[08:59] <TestDummy> I'm not too good at remembering things :
[08:59] <jut3xs> hi
[08:59] <HrdwrBoB> TestDummy: that's correct
[08:59] <HrdwrBoB> TestDummy: they are sdX
[08:59] <Madpilot> HrdwrBoB: dare I ask what's on that much disc space?
[08:59] <Madpilot> ;)
[09:00] <TestDummy> Then why did somebody just say they had a SATA drive on sda?
[09:00] <glick> cafuego, eh
[09:00] <iiiears> lol@madpilot
[09:00] <LinuxDolt> is it normal for wine to complain about this: Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:00] <synn> Madpilot: If you have to ask, you probably already know. ;)
[09:00] <glick> i got a coupla sparc5s with 20 gigs between them
[09:00] <LinuxDolt> and then not run the game
[09:00] <PurpleMotion> that didnt work
[09:00] <glick> a 10 gig p2 400 that i plan to put smoothwall on one of these days
[09:00] <Madpilot> TestDummy: my (only) HDD is SDA
[09:01] <TestDummy> Heh, I have an old p2 400
[09:01] <TestDummy> But it doesn't like Ubuntu :(
[09:01] <TestDummy> Or any other Linux distro for tha tmatter
[09:01] <Belutz> how do i change the mouse cursor theme?
[09:01] <glick> TestDummy, why not?
[09:01] <glick> usually thats the best supported hardware in linux
[09:01] <TestDummy> I dunno, somebody said something about older hardware and what not..
[09:01] <TestDummy> I ran Warty on there before, now it doesn't even work
[09:01] <glick> older hardware is best supported
[09:01] <iiiears> Is LinuxDoIt - does he need glx installed for his card by reconfiguring the xserver or would he need to use synaptic to d/l it?
[09:02] <TestDummy> But I didn't come here about that :|
[09:02] <glick> what particularly dosnt work on it
[09:02] <TestDummy> I should really run memtest86 or something, poke around a bit more.
[09:02] <glick> i figure ill use one of my sparcs as a webserver
[09:02] <TestDummy> (It installs and everything, the kernel doesn't start. :( )
[09:02] <glick> or email server
[09:02] <TestDummy> But like I said, I didn't come here to ask about that :D
[09:02] <glick> i dont kow yet
[09:02] <PurpleMotion> ray_:
[09:03] <ray_> PurpleMotion, yeah
[09:03] <PurpleMotion> ray_: sudo apt-get install sox
[09:03] <tha_gamemaster> i need help fixing my xorg... i broke it ^_^
[09:03] <PurpleMotion> ray_: then play will work
[09:03] <synn> So, it's stupid noob idea time!
[09:03] <PurpleMotion> *uNF*
[09:03] <glick> i have more computers than i know what to do with
[09:03] <TestDummy> My laptop dislikes xorg :(
[09:03] <iiiears> LinuxDoIt - i am kinda new to linux. - just curious how many frames per second does the command "glxgears" show you when you type it in a console?
[09:03] <glick> between my and my roomie we have 13 computers in the house and not one runs MS
[09:03] <tha_gamemaster> iiiears my glxgears does nearly 4000
[09:03] <synn> I'm not a big fan of Gnome, I want to install fvwm. I have NO idea what to do. I've been told the learning curve is pretty steep. Good idea or no?
[09:03] <iiiears> LinuxD, - glxgears is the test app for glx extensions.
[09:04] <tha_gamemaster> glick is my hero, i'm the only non-MS in my house
[09:04] <TestDummy> opinion*
[09:04] <glick> heh
[09:04] <ray_> PurpleMotion, THANKS IT WORKED
[09:04] <Madpilot> glick: cool. cluster them to crunch folding/seti stuff!
[09:04] <PurpleMotion> anytime
[09:04] <iiiears> tha_, great numbers :)
[09:04] <glick> my roomie runs an outdated slackware on his desktop
[09:04] <glick> he never updates or upgrades
[09:04] <glick> hes like at 9.0
[09:05] <glick> now like 10.5 is out
[09:05] <crispynix-v6> synn: try kde first, and if you like the tweaking aspects, try Enlightenment. If you like editing text files for configuration, then fvwm might be for you.
[09:05] <tha_gamemaster> iiiears thanks! but my xorg is broken right now..
[09:05] <topyli> iiiears: i get 311 FPS :)
[09:05] <nickrud> glick, so, he's getting work done, right ;P
[09:05] <laserline> PurpleMotion? Your not the old school tracker purpleMotion are you
[09:05] <iiiears> Really? - thats awful. - has someone tried to help.
[09:05] <synn> A friend of mine is running his brand new laptop off an old gentoo live cd....
[09:05] <PurpleMotion> laserline: no, but he's an idol of mine
[09:06] <topyli> iiiears: nah, it's an old matrox card which i love. i don't care much about doom3 and such
[09:06] <tha_gamemaster> iiiears not yet. what's the line? dpkg-reconfigure xorg? is it x-org? yes i'm using sudo
[09:06] <glick> i dont particularly like my roomie
[09:06] <iiiears> topyli, - yep - a prosavage card here my numbers are about the same.
[09:06] <nickrud> lol
[09:06] <iiiears> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:06] <glick> he ask me to do the dishes and i told him to screw himself that i am never doing the dishes,
[09:07] <tha_gamemaster> iiiears THANKS!
[09:07] <iiiears> Cool
[09:07] <transgre1s> hey hooligans
[09:07] <topyli> iiiears: good enough for nethack :)
[09:07] <jut3xs> hlo
[09:07] <laserline> glick: at least you're not throwing dishes at him (yet)
[09:07] <nickrud> glick, trust me, women you want will want you to do the dishes; learn
[09:08] <iiiears> lol - roflmao - "" - very depressed a few nights ago and checked that out.
[09:08] <PurpleMotion> oh gawd its glick again ;)
[09:08] <PurpleMotion> <-- computer__guru, glick
[09:08] <glick> nickrud, for woman its different, in fact im a clean dude, but my roomie is non-coperative, and is an all around ass, so im like screw you dude, im not lifting a finger to clean anything other than my own room
[09:09] <laserline> oh snap son
[09:09] <glick> so broken keyboards, and trash and dishes pile the living room a mile high
[09:09] <nickrud> glick, been there, too. I just had to throw that curveball in :)
[09:09] <iiiears> just kick the dirty clothes to his side of the room ;)
[09:09] <glick> i will never vacuum, and never clean anything or take out the trash
[09:10] <glick> him and his nasty animal of a girlfriend
[09:11] <glick> i cant tell if she tries to be nice or condescending
[09:11] <glick> either way she annoys me
[09:11] <Belutz> topyli: hai again :D do you know how to change the mouse cursor theme?
[09:12] <iiiears> sometimes the student union is the only escape.
[09:12] <glick> heh
[09:12] <nickrud> I spent many hours there
[09:12] <glick> hehe i work at the learning center of my university, i hit on some hot bitches there all the time
[09:13] <glick> lol my boss is like "look dave you cant hit on students that come here lookin for tutoring it might make them uncomfortavle"
[09:13] <topyli> Belutz: there's a package called gcursor in universe
[09:13] <Belutz> topyli: ok, thanks for the info :)
[09:13] <glick> and im like "screw you, i do what i want! Im your boss you hear!"
[09:13] <iiiears> tha_gamemaster - VESA is always available. - just tweak it until it cries "uncle" and gives you accel
[09:13] <sinferno> does anyone have any advice on installing multiple versions of cedega
[09:14] <nickrud> tha_gamemaster, heh, breezy?
[09:14] <tha_gamemaster> nickrud lol no ... confuzzled ^_^
[09:14] <tha_gamemaster> iiiears vesa? no it's not a startx error, it just says there's no startx command
[09:14] <nickrud> :)
[09:15] <glick> damn zone edit doesnt do portfowarding and cloaking at the same time :(
[09:15] <glick> does either one or the other
[09:15] <iiiears> no startx ?????
[09:15] <tha_gamemaster> iiiears yea!
[09:15] <iiiears> !xserver
[09:15] <ubotu> rumour has it, xserver is to reconfigure your Xserver, type into a terminal "sudo dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg" (without the "")
[09:16] <nickrud> tha_gamemaster, no mailx either
[09:16] <Madpilot> !info startx
[09:16] <cmijoa> how I read external mail into mutt?
[09:16] <glick> whats happening?
[09:16] <glick> what does that mean?
[09:16] <Madpilot> what does what mean, glick?
[09:16] <glick> that global notice?
[09:16] <tha_gamemaster> nickrud i have mailx
[09:17] <nickrud> tha_gamemaster, breezy?
[09:17] <nickrud> I don't
[09:17] <tha_gamemaster> glick i think it means the ubuntu channel will be down for a little while
[09:17] <glick> Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[09:17] <tha_gamemaster> brb guys, ... if there is still a channel ^_^
[09:17] <iiiears> tha_, - lspci ls=list pci=devices should give an answer. - match the info given. (i added a leading zero to the bus address when it was a single digit.)
[09:18] <glick> is it for all of freenode or just this channel?
[09:19] <monsterror> Can someone here give me some fluxbox help?
[09:19] <Madpilot> what was in that lilo message? I assumed it was more testing quasi-spam, and killed the tab without opening it. wasn't it?
[09:19] <iiiears> !fluxbox
[09:19] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, iiiears
[09:19] <iiiears> doh
[09:19] <monsterror> !fluxbox?
[09:19] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, monsterror
[09:19] <monsterror> !fluxbox
[09:19] <ubotu> monsterror: No idea
[09:20] <Madpilot> !info fluxbox
[09:20] <iiiears> give me a sec - not too familiar with it. gotta be a link on the ubuntu wiki.
[09:20] <ubotu> fluxbox: (Highly configurable and low resource X11 Window manager), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 0.9.11-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 626 kB, Installed size: 1988 kB
[09:20] <nickrud> Madpilot, that was a warning that this channel will be in serious flux for a bit
[09:20] <Madpilot> nickrud: ack. thanks, that'll teach me to kill tabs without reading them!
[09:20] <iiiears> nice but little help
[09:21] <tha_gamemaster> hey channel is still up cool
[09:22] <sinferno> does anyone have any advice on installing multiple versions of cedega
[09:23] <nickrud> test
[09:23] <Madpilot> ???
[09:23] <iiiears> i can't find a link for fluxbox
[09:24] <Madpilot> in the wiki? neither could I
[09:24] <tha_gamemaster> sinferno wish i did... i'm not sure it's possible
[09:25] <iiiears> tha_gamemaster - did "lspci" give you any helpful info?
[09:25] <nickrud> iiiears, you can start at http://freshmeat.net/projects/fluxbox/
[09:25] <nickrud> only 2 points off :)
[09:26] <glick> am i the only one that wants one of those new japanese sex androids?
[09:26] <monsterror> I dont think there particurally designed for sex
[09:26] <iiiears> thanks nickrud - got the impression he has already installed it and has some other problem.
[09:26] <nickrud> glick, probably, within a 2 mile radius
[09:26] <n8lewis> is there a way to mount a .iso file as a cd drive?
[09:26] <tha_gamemaster> iiiears my video card is there no problem... is there another command to start x from console ? everything is installed....
[09:26] <sinferno> tha_gamemaster, cause like i know that daoc works with cedega 4.0 but i have 4.4
[09:26] <glick> monsterror, are you kidding! this is the japanese we're talking about, of course it was made for sex
[09:27] <sinferno> tha_gamemaster, and for the sake of my other games i dont want to have to completely roll back
[09:27] <iiiears> xfce4 works pretty well and is also light on resources. - add the xfmedia player and you should be good to go.
[09:27] <glick> we are talking about the most kinky and perverse people on the planet
[09:27] <sinferno> tha_gamemaster, i know theres an option in p2p but i dont use p2p
[09:27] <tha_gamemaster> sinferno for some odd reason my transgaming account was like deleted or something... i've got to figure that out... i hate how diff versions are compat withdiff stuff
[09:27] <nickrud> college students?
[09:27] <tha_gamemaster> sinferno yea i don't like p2p either
[09:28] <n8lewis> sweet just wanted to know so I won't lose any thing if I mess up
[09:28] <glick> im in college
[09:28] <yahalom> hey guys. is there an option to play the live CD of a projector? any experience with this?
[09:28] <n8lewis> is there a way to mount a .iso file as a cd drive?
[09:28] <thundrcleeze> yahalom, you mean use the projector as a display device?
[09:28] <monsterror> I knew how to mount an .iso on Windows, but I don't know if they make anything like Daemon Tools for Linux
[09:28] <synn> I've been looking for a specific set of icons, they almost seem to be set up for a Mac G5-type display. They're dark, and the only bright color is green. Anybody have any idea what I'm talking about here?
[09:28] <iiiears> tha_gamemaster - VESA will give you a gui desktop and firefox. (not too much for gaming at all. #$%^)
[09:29] <sinferno> monsterror, just mount /path/to/file.iso /location/to/mount
[09:29] <rob^> monsterror, its called "mount"
[09:29] <Madpilot> !themes
[09:29] <ubotu> methinks themes is http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/
[09:29] <nickrud> n8lewis, mount -o loop -t iso9660 filename.iso /mnt/iso
[09:29] <sinferno> monsterror, do mount -o loop /path/
[09:29] <sinferno> i think
[09:29] <Madpilot> synn: see ubotu's post ^^^ ?
[09:29] <sinferno> isnt that it?
[09:29] <thundrcleeze> yahalom, if it uses a standard monitor output it shouldn't be a problem
[09:29] <monsterror> guys guys guys... I dont need the mounting help
[09:29] <yahalom> thundrcleeze: yes]
[09:29] <n8lewis> nickrud, thanks
[09:30] <iiiears> try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg again - it will work tho it is a real pain to get accel working with ati
[09:30] <sinferno> monsterror, if you have a valid iso you should be able to mount it just like daemon tools
[09:30] <tha_gamemaster> iiiears i want a desktop i can use for pvr... that's all really... but vesa is a driver, i'm still not getting you
[09:30] <nickrud> n8lewis, the first google hit gave me a great cut and paste :)
[09:30] <sinferno> monsterror, linux can mount isos no problem
[09:30] <thundrcleeze> yahalom, I mean if the projector has a standard monitor input.
[09:30] <synn> No, I didn't, but I do now! I think I saw them on gnome-look, but I'm not sure....wish me luck!
[09:30] <n8lewis> lol
[09:30] <yahalom> thundrcleeze: meaning as that he plugs the projector in the monitor port? he does.
[09:30] <glick> i dont knwo much about anything about applications programming and i graduate in 9 months
[09:30] <iiiears> tha - dpkg-reconfigure will work. it is just findiing the right settings for your card.
[09:31] <glick> the sad fact is that i may not get to use python much in my career :(
[09:31] <yahalom> thundrcleeze: or u dont mean that?
[09:31] <monsterror> So could anyone find any info on Fluxbox/
[09:31] <iiiears> i am going out on a limb and guessing that lspci will give you the info about the bus id address.
[09:31] <thundrcleeze> yahalom, then it should just work as a regular monitor. All you should have to do is set what resolution it runs at.
[09:31] <tha_gamemaster> iiiears i'm not having setting problems... but there is no command to STARTX... it's like... xorg is installed, windowmanagers are installed, but no startx....
[09:32] <iiiears> i don't think xorg is being given the right bus address.
[09:32] <nickrud> tha_gamemaster, it'll come back
[09:32] <tha_gamemaster> nickrud how ? @_@
[09:33] <iiiears> tha_gamemaster - now see what you have done. now i am confuzzled.
[09:33] <_youngcoder> lol
[09:34] <nickrud> tha_gamemaster, it's in xbase-clients. That's in flux right now (breezy) but I would be seriously amazed if it wasn't fixed soon.
[09:34] <monsterror> You know, not having a slit in fluxbox is annoying. I keep minimizing things, just so I can never restore it
[09:34] <kaizerbillimoria> hello
[09:34] <iiiears> what error message are you seeing? - does it attempt to start or just show one line of text "no such command"?
[09:35] <youngcoder> kaizerbillimoria, hello!
[09:35] <tha_gamemaster> iiiears "bash - startx command not found"
[09:35] <kaizerbillimoria> i need some help with ubuntu Super user can anyone help me out?
[09:35] <kaizerbillimoria> hello youngcoder!
[09:35] <youngcoder> kaizerbillimoria, what is your question?
[09:35] <kaizerbillimoria> thx youngcoder
[09:35] <yahalom> thundrcleeze: thanx
[09:36] <kaizerbillimoria> when i boot intoubuntu i login using my name
[09:36] <youngcoder> ok
[09:36] <thundrcleeze> yahalom, is he having troubles right now?
[09:36] <kaizerbillimoria> however if i want to log in as super user in shell it asks me for password
[09:36] <kaizerbillimoria> what password do i give?
[09:36] <thundrcleeze> and no problem, yahalom
[09:36] <thundrcleeze> kaizerbillimoria, your user password.
[09:36] <nickrud> kaizerbillimoria, try using your own password
[09:37] <kaizerbillimoria> let me rephrase that youngcoder..my bad!!
[09:37] <kaizerbillimoria> see
[09:37] <youngcoder> kaizerbillimoria, the same as your username
[09:37] <kaizerbillimoria> whatever password i give
[09:37] <kaizerbillimoria> it says wrong password
[09:37] <kaizerbillimoria> or invalid password
[09:37] <kaizerbillimoria> does that mean...
[09:37] <kaizerbillimoria> that my default log in is by root?
[09:37] <iiiears> !rootsudo
[09:37] <ubotu> it has been said that rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:37] <nickrud> 0-0
[09:37] <tha_gamemaster> iiiears hehe confuzed? ^_^
[09:38] <iiiears> tha_gamemaster - Is gnome your default window manager?
[09:38] <thundrcleeze> kaizerbillimoria, see ubotu's link
[09:38] <ws011> hai
[09:39] <tha_gamemaster> iiiears no, i disabled gnome and uninstalled it, i only have 1.8GB for / and gnome is about that big ;)
[09:39] <monsterror> Gah, Gedit is taking forever to load
[09:39] <kaizerbillimoria> thx ubotu, thundrcleeze
[09:39] <iiiears> tha_gamemaster - ah... now there is hope. - new info. :)
[09:39] <thundrcleeze> no problem, kaizerbillimoria
[09:40] <tha_gamemaster> iiiears i have flwm and icewm-lite installed, and xorg-server and xorg-common, xfonts-75dpi, etc, but no command to init X... should i try init 5 ?
[09:40] <ws011> haiiii
[09:41] <iiiears> tha_gamemaster - no harm in trying it.
[09:41] <LinuxDolt> whoohoo!
[09:41] <ColonelKernel> you know ubuntu really spoiled me
[09:41] <youngcoder> hiyas LinuxDolt
[09:41] <ColonelKernel> now I use ubuntu for desktop and centos for server
[09:41] <PurpleMotion> why do they put deprecated shit into new kernels.. kinda retarded dont ya think
[09:41] <ColonelKernel> I discovered the breezy kernels - which work great btw
[09:42] <ColonelKernel> I am haivng a problem figuring out something in the kernel config
[09:42] <iiiears> tha_gamemaster - let me apologize for not asking what window manager you are using.
[09:42] <PurpleMotion> what?
[09:42] <PurpleMotion> im building a kernel right now :D
[09:42] <nickrud> my god, there is no xinit in my path :)
[09:42] <PurpleMotion> my god im blind without my glasses
[09:43] <nickrud> tha_gamemaster, you may not be here, but I see that :)
[09:43] <PurpleMotion> how did i live without these things
[09:43] <iiiears> nickrud - lol - okay, okay, - i am a newb. - pitch in where you can. - lol
[09:43] <ColonelKernel> well im trying to figure out function alignment
[09:43] <ColonelKernel> the help on it says power of n in the beginning then it gives a straight integer
[09:43] <ColonelKernel> and its confusing
[09:44] <kaizerbillimoria> ubotu i need more information are youthere?
[09:44] <ubotu> kaizerbillimoria: what are you talking about?
[09:44] <ColonelKernel> Align the start of functions to the next power-of-two greater than n,
[09:44] <ColonelKernel> skipping up to n bytes. For instance, 32 aligns functions
[09:44] <ColonelKernel> to the next 32-byte boundary, but 24 would align to the next
[09:44] <ColonelKernel> 32-byte boundary only if this can be done by skipping 23 bytes or less.
[09:44] <ColonelKernel> Zero means use compiler's default.
[09:44] <kaizerbillimoria> ubotu: this is my first step in to the linux world.
[09:44] <ubotu> I think you lost me on that one, kaizerbillimoria
[09:44] <ColonelKernel> WHoah - im very sorry I thought that would be one line
[09:44] <youngcoder> ubotu, you gave him the rootsudo link
[09:44] <ubotu> youngcoder: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[09:45] <kaizerbillimoria> ubotu: i am interested in learning bash shell scripting. can you point me to some good bash shell tutorials?
[09:45] <ubotu> I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about, kaizerbillimoria
[09:45] <ColonelKernel> anyhow - is the number I punch in there gonna be a power of two, or the straight integer I want to use?
[09:45] <nickrud> iiiears, we all are newbs, unless we're arrogant or James Troup or equiv. I can live with that :)
[09:45] <ws011> hajii
[09:45] <ws011> jiakjiksl
[09:45] <glick> hey where is stdio.h in the syste,?
[09:45] <glick> system
[09:45] <PurpleMotion> !root
[09:45] <ubotu> rumour has it, root is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:46] <iiiears> (was hoping to join the kernel-de team next tues. - roguesh grin)
[09:46] <nickrud> !find stdioi.h
[09:46] <PurpleMotion> is it /usr/include ?
[09:46] <nickrud> !find stdio.h
[09:46] <nickrud> sorry
[09:46] <kaizerbillimoria> Friends, i need a pointer to a good tutorial on bash shell scripting. CAn anyone help me out? A link on the www will be helpful
[09:47] <youngcoder> kaizerbillimoria, one sec let me grab a link for you
[09:47] <PurpleMotion> kaizerbillimoria: there are entire books written.. bash ROCKS
[09:47] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'stdioi.h' returned no results.
[09:47] <iiiears> bash.org????????
[09:47] <kaizerbillimoria> youngcoder: thank you. This is my first attempt at bash shell scripting and linux!!
[09:48] <PurpleMotion> kaizerbillimoria: good luck :)
[09:48] <Madpilot> kaizerbillimoria: www.linuxcommand.org has starting bash scripting info - good stuff
[09:48] <youngcoder> kaizerbillimoria, im very noobish myself
[09:48] <iiiears> feel the power of the linux force
[09:48] <nickrud> ubotu, you lied, you gave me Ubuntu Search of 'stdio.h' (6 shown; 42 total): (/usr/include/lam/tstdio.h) in devel/lam4-dev ;; (/usr/lib/perl/5.8.4/CORE/nostdio.h) in perl/perl ;; (/usr/include/isc/stdio.h) in libdevel/libbind-dev ;; (/usr/include/sfio/stdio.h) in universe/devel/sfio-dev ;; (/usr/share/cmix/shadow/stdio.h) in universe/devel/cmix ;; (/usr/share/splint/lib/stdio.h) in universe/devel/splint.
[09:48] <ubotu> nickrud: I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about
[09:48] <youngcoder> kaizerbillimoria, www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html
[09:49] <nickrud> heh, talking to a bot (intelligent one anyway)
[09:49] <PurpleMotion> someone write this down
[09:49] <PurpleMotion> make modules started at 3.48am
[09:49] <kaizerbillimoria> youngcoder: Thanks a ton I shall go there now...
[09:50] <iiiears> the linux documentation project is mecca
[09:50] <PurpleMotion> im gonna flash my jornada 690 tomorrow and put familiar/opie on it
[09:50] <iiiears> jerusalem?
[09:50] <PurpleMotion> *gulp* conversion??
[09:50] <tha_gamemaster> iiiears ok so... i got x to init. /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc
[09:51] <kaizerbillimoria> thank you all
[09:52] <tha_gamemaster> hi glick
[09:52] <glick> hi tha_gamemaster
[09:52] <PurpleMotion> well now
[09:52] <PurpleMotion> THAT was fsckin hairy
[09:52] <Amaranth> Guys, #ubuntu is closed until this finishes. ;)
[09:52] <tha_gamemaster> glick so it wasn't so bad...
[09:53] <Amaranth> because you aren't going to be able to have a conversation
[09:53] <tha_gamemaster> Amaranth so should we leave?
[09:53] <Amaranth> unless this goes perfectly
[09:53] <Amaranth> no, you don't have to leave
[09:53] <Amaranth> it was a joke
[09:53] <Amaranth> but yeah, this isn't done yet
[09:53] <PurpleMotion> it seems to be going pretty smoothe
[09:53] <tha_gamemaster> Amaranth lol i know
[09:53] <tha_gamemaster> Amaranth i'm surprised i got in so fast
[09:53] <iceman-AMD64> how to add KDE to ubuntu
[09:54] <Amaranth> someone thinking clearer than me dropped the +j
[09:54] <Tomcat_> iceman-AMD64: Install kubuntu-desktop
[09:54] <Amaranth> err, +J
[09:54] <PurpleMotion> iceman-AMD64: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:54] <Amaranth> i think it was freenode staff, actually
[09:54] <iiiears> whatch your firewall logs. match ip addresses against the freenode server names you know.
[09:54] <iiiears> Hey that was fun. zombied XP desktops/hijacked gameservers for a dns poisoning?
[09:54] <tha_gamemaster> iiiears woah you lost me coach ^_^
[09:55] <Amaranth> iiiears: network is upgrading to a new ircd
[09:55] <PurpleMotion> iiiears aka paranoia boy
[09:55] <iceman-AMD64> Does Americ's Army for linux work on 64 bit ?
[09:55] <iiiears> in the bad old days of quake1 you could launch a distributed denial of service attack with an easily forged packet. - likely not too difficult with newer game servers.
[09:56] <PurpleMotion> well
[09:56] <PurpleMotion> forging packets has gotten harder, thank god
[09:56] <tha_gamemaster> iiiears ok so i got x to run, /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc but "no screens found"
[09:56] (f_newton/#ubuntu) well is there any reason why you cant "borrow" rafb.net/paste?
[09:57] <iiiears> iceman - as i understand it not natively (please don't quote me) - it will run in an 32 bit chroot environment.
[09:57] (f_newton/#ubuntu) they do get washed yaknow
[09:57] <kaffeend> where are all these ppl coming from?
[09:57] <iceman-AMD64> got to study that 32 bit chroot stuff ...
[09:57] <nickrud> hm
[09:57] <PurpleMotion> this one has tho
[09:57] <f_newton> kaffeend, freenode is doing some major server changes
[09:57] <PurpleMotion> see
[09:58] <PurpleMotion> there it goes
[09:58] <Amaranth> whee
[09:58] <PurpleMotion> hai, fsckers
[09:58] <Amaranth> told you
[09:58] <nickrud> kaffeend, the networks ops are hard at work, we just watch
[09:58] <Amaranth> look at the new idents
[09:58] <Amaranth> N=foo, I=foo
[09:58] <iiiears> Hi
[09:58] <PurpleMotion> what do they mean?
[09:58] <psurani> !
[09:58] <psurani> !w
[09:58] <kaffeend> f_newton it's quite annoying, isn't it?
[09:58] <f_newton> hyperion
[09:58] <PurpleMotion> oh
[09:58] <PurpleMotion> for ident and no ident
[09:58] <PurpleMotion> that's gay
[09:58] <PurpleMotion> the ~ did that anyways
[09:59] <Amaranth> http://freenode.net/news.shtml <--what is happening
[09:59] <Amaranth> oh, and the new cloaks
[09:59] <PurpleMotion> we can cloak now?
[09:59] <f_newton> well kaffeend why dont you msg lilo and tell him how upset you are that he is updating and maintaining his million dollar plus network is upsetting u
[09:59] <Amaranth> but my cloak isn't updated
[09:59] <Amaranth> hmm
[09:59] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: no
[09:59] <nickrud> what's a cloak?
[09:59] <kaffeend> f_newton uptight, are we? I never said I was upset
[09:59] <Amaranth> nickrud: "amaranth.user"
[10:00] <Amaranth> ubotu: is on the old servers still
[10:00] <ubotu> Amaranth: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[10:00] <f_newton> no... I am not but a little consideration on your part since you pay nothing for all this technology
[10:00] <Amaranth> and will probably not rejoin once it dies
[10:00] <f_newton> oooh three hundred words....
[10:01] <kaffeend> f_newton I didn't mean to say "Linux sucks and so does f_newton" or anything like that - Jeez
[10:01] <tha_gamemaster> iiiears heyas again @_@
[10:01] <f_newton> I didnt say you did, but you did say it was annoying to you that you were having to deal with this... annoyance
[10:01] <f_newton> and i was merely showing you how silly that was
[10:02] <iiiears> curious must be a setting to ignore join and part messages.
[10:02] <synn> wow, holy netsplit
[10:02] <f_newton> I give out thousands of free meals every week rain or shine and the people that come for them complain all the time about how I am not serving their needs as well as they expect
[10:02] <tha_gamemaster> iiiears so you get my message about "no screens found" ?
[10:02] <Madpilot> Mother of All Netsplits
[10:02] <PurpleMotion> i want purplemotion.user
[10:02] <Amaranth> synn: server upgrades
[10:03] <iiiears> no i didn't
[10:03] <f_newton> I find that a little ingracious
[10:03] <nickrud> f_newton, I did that for years as well, and still do :)
[10:03] <iiiears> got it now tho.
[10:03] <PurpleMotion> or actually i guess now it will be user/purplemotion
[10:03] <f_newton> good for you !
[10:03] <tha_gamemaster> iiiears ok so i got x to run, /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc but "no screens found"
[10:03] <nickrud> my living, actually ;)
[10:03] <f_newton> where at nickrud if I may ask?
[10:03] <tha_gamemaster> oh you got it now ?
[10:03] <f_newton> well I dont get paid for it
[10:03] <kaffeend> f_newton I'm sorry that you're in a bad mood... but I believe I am free to be annoyed... I know it needs doing - it's for the best, yada yada yada, I am not an ungrateful prick as you might think, just tired and a little annoyed at the scrolling window text - didn't realize it was maintainence...
[10:04] <nickrud> currently san antonio, but seattle, san francisco, and other places over the years
[10:04] <f_newton> as a matter of fact its just about impoverished me
[10:04] <iiiears> tha_gamemaster - going to apologize for not knowing how to help.
[10:04] <nickrud> f_newton, and you are absolutely right about it never being adequate for some
[10:05] <tha_gamemaster> iiiears not your fault! no apologies necessary or even requested, thanks for listening! ^_^
[10:05] <Amaranth> That's enough guys.
[10:05] <f_newton> kaffeend, again you try to put your overinflated self awareness as my fault. just drop it ok? but try to remember that you are just a user here in cyber land and what the people who provide you with this service do is not good reason for you to be annoyed
[10:05] <synn> And for anybody that caught it earlier, I'm looking for a specific icon pack...I can't find it, I've been to every link anyone's posted, and I've probably missed it. The only one that I know of that looks like it is an OSX theme, but dark.
[10:05] <iiiears> i am sorry - just too new at this only have tried 3 window managers. :?
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[12:03] <blueyed> mxpxpod: I cannot see a problem in your screenshot.
[12:09] <seth_k> the fonts are too big
[12:09] <seth_k> mine has the same issue, except the menu fonts have the same problem
[12:10] <Mez> seth_k, is this like - firefox fonts too big?
[12:11] <seth_k> Mez, indeed
[12:11] <seth_k> Mez, it's been an issue ever since 1.0.6
[12:11] <seth_k> I can screenshot mine if you like
[12:11] <Mez> seth_k, hehe :D It's fine in the hoary version though
[12:11] <Mez> seth_ nah
[12:11] <Mez> http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~mez/screenies/
[12:11] <Mez> there should be one in there
[12:12] <Mez> I managed to fix the webpage text, but not menus
[12:12] <seth_k> ah, good show mez
[12:12] <seth_k> that's what I get
[12:12] <ajmitch> morning
[12:12] <seth_k> hiya ajmitch
[12:12] <Mez> seth_k, ;)
[12:13] <Mez> seth_k, whatever happened to that package you were meant ot be uploadingto revu
[12:13] <seth_k> Mez, am just going to request a Debian synch instead... the debian zsnes package is fine
[12:14] <Mez> seth_k, you was on about a package that wasnt zsnes
[12:14] <seth_k> oh right
[12:14] <seth_k> still working on it
[12:14] <seth_k> can't get the menu items to work right, but other than that almost done
[12:30] <lakin> This is most certainly the wrong channel to ask in, but I can't find anywhere else to ask: Will openoffice 2.0 stabalise fast enough for inclusion into ubuntu breezy?
[12:31] <crimsun> that's really an OOo question.
[12:31] <crimsun> they're most certainly more in the know than we are
[12:32] <crimsun> I'm not even sure there's an answer to that
[12:32] <lakin> Definitely, but I haven't found a dev channel, and mailing lists are slower.
[12:32] <lakin> So if that doesn't happen, breezy will downgrade openoffice to 1.1.4?
[12:32] <crimsun> no, it will ship with whichever version is currently in Breezy when Breezy freezes.
[12:33] <lakin> ouch, so it could ship with the beta version?
[12:34] <crimsun> (Is software ever not in beta?)
[12:35] <crimsun> if it's of concern, help iron out the bugs in the version in Breezy :)
[12:35] <lakin> I am.
[12:35] <lakin> ;)
[12:36] <crimsun> well there ya go
[12:36] <lakin> Re, software perpetually in beta: true.
[12:37] <xerox> Google services :)
[12:38] <lakin> It's just that I've finally convinced an office I work with to switch to ubuntu/openoffice, and I'm trying to plan the timeline appropriately.
[12:39] <lakin> I was supposed to go in tonight to install openoffice win32, so that we could do some initial testing runs with their current spreadsheets, and then eventually switch to openoffice before the christmas season. Then January 06 we were to switch to ubuntu, I was planning on breezy, but this does change things. :)
[12:40] <lakin> I want the version of openoffice to be similar for win32 and breezy. but with OO.o 2.0 still in beta I think waiting a bit is in order.
[12:40] <lakin> Anyways, this definitely isn't the channel for this discussion. Thanks crimsun.
[12:40] <mxpxpod> blueyed: you can't?? firefox's application font is bigger than the panel font
[12:41] <mxpxpod> seth_k: have you figured out what's up with firefox?
[12:42] <blueyed> mxpxpod: oh, i see. no idea though. using kde here. sorry.
[12:43] <mxpxpod> seth_k: it's like firefox isn't paying attention to gnome's dpi setting
[12:44] <seth_k> mxpxpod, happens for me on KDE too
[12:46] <mxpxpod> yeah, I don't use KDE ;)
[12:47] <seth_k> yep, just saying that it's not a gnome-specific problem :)
[12:48] <mxpxpod> ah, ok
[12:48] <mxpxpod> maybe it's a firefox problem with X dpi settings...
[12:48] <mxpxpod> I dunno
[12:48] <mxpxpod> I should probably report it later tonight
[12:55] <bur[n] er> ./topic ...X is a lot less broken >> but not yet bootable ;)
[12:59] <seth_k> really? boots for me
[12:59] <seth_k> with all updates
[01:00] <bur[n] er> yeah, i have all my updates... possibly issue with certain video drivers or something?
[01:00] <bur[n] er> you didn't change anything but just upgraded & dist-upgraded ?
[01:05] <JanC> mxpxpod : firefox has its own dpi settings
[01:06] <JanC> about:config --> browser.display.screen_resolution
[01:06] <JanC> or also in the preferences
[01:07] <Lathiat> JanC: what are those values supposed to be
[01:07] <Lathiat> ah i see, the dpi
[01:09] <JanC> I think it's set to 96 by default
[01:10] <Lathiat> doesnt help the sites that set font sizes in px
[01:10] <Lathiat> which is many
[01:10] <xerox> It's 0 here.
[01:10] <seth_k> 0 here too
[01:11] <Lathiat> yeh which would end up being 96 most likely
[01:11] <xerox> You could also try echo "Xft.dpi: 96" >> ~/.Xresources and rerun the X server.
[01:11] <Lathiat> all the prefs seems to think its "system setting" but mine doesnt reflect that
[01:11] <JanC> it's 96 here, but it's possible I changed that
[01:11] <Lathiat> xerox: or xrdb ~/.Xresources and restart the browser
[01:11] <xerox> Lathiat, right.
[01:12] <seth_k> but even setting it doesn't change the menu fonts
[01:12] <seth_k> not to mention that Thunderbird has the same problem
[01:12] <Lathiat> yeh
[01:13] <xerox> It did for me, I had a Xft.dpi: 100 setting for some reason, when I finally commented it out all turned back OK.
[01:13] <JanC> right, it's 0 by default in firefox
[01:14] <JanC> "0" probably means : use system default
[01:14] <xerox> Prolly.
[01:14] <seth_k> oh, I didn't see the .Xresources suggestion. I'll try that now
[01:15] <seth_k> nah, I don't even have that file
[01:15] <xerox> Create it.
[01:16] <xerox> That is: echo "Xft.dpi: 100" > ~/.Xresources
[01:16] <Kamion> elmo: please sync cccc from unstable (gcc 4 build fixes)
[01:16] <xerox> Then, as Lathiat said: xrdb ~/.Xresources and restart the browser.
[01:17] <seth_k> no go
[01:17] <seth_k> menus still huge
[01:18] <xerox> Put the monitor more distant :P
[01:18] <seth_k> ah well, will be fixed in time i'm sure
[01:18] <seth_k> hehe
[01:18] <seth_k> it's a 20.5" flatscreen
[01:18] <seth_k> across the room, still huge
[01:18] <seth_k> ;)
[01:19] <xerox> You're rich.
[01:19] <seth_k> negative
[01:19] <seth_k> I paid less than $50 for it, all said and done
[01:20] <seth_k> $800 - 40% off - $60 coupon - $100 coupon - $50 coupon - $15 coupon - $200 from selling my old 17" flatscreen
[01:20] <seth_k> woot
[01:20] <seth_k> I stalk Dell
[01:21] <Lathiat> haha
[01:22] <xerox> Open a bug for the person opening duplicate bugs.
[01:22] <Lathiat> heh
[01:22] <Lathiat> open a bug about bugzilla being broken :)
[01:37] <Kamion> Riddell: I'd suggest rebuilding kynaptic against the new apt ABI
[01:40] <Mez> Kamion- just a rebuild?
[01:41] <Mez> I'll do it and pass it onto Riddell
[01:41] <Mez> I need something to do
[01:42] <Kamion> I think just a rebuild should be fine, but try a test build first
[01:48] <Kamion> though adding support for the new progress API to kynaptic would be even better
[01:49] <Kamion> builds fine, I haven't tried running it
[01:54] <Kamion> anyone looking at this aspell transition pain in main?
[01:58] <Kamion> hmm, never mind, I'll do it
[02:03] <doko> Kamion: all new dictionaries should be synced from unstable. it's on my monitor, but sync requests on the weekend don't reach elmo's radar
[02:13] <Kamion> doko: ok, if you're on it that's fine
[02:33] <lamont> scrollkeeper-update -p /var/scrollkeeper -o /build/buildd/eog-2.11.90/debian/eog//usr/share/omf/eog
[02:33] <lamont> Could not create directory /var/scrollkeeper : Permission denied
[02:33] <lamont> Could not create database. Aborting update.
[02:33] <lamont> Cannot write to log file: /var/log/scrollkeeper.log : Permission denied
[02:33] <lamont> Cannot write to log file: /var/log/scrollkeeper.log : Permission denied
[02:36] <Kamion> seems more like eog's fault for feeding scrollkeeper-update a bogus path?
[02:38] <Kamion> cjwatson@jackass:/srv/ftp.no-name-yet.com/sync/germinate/output$ grep xlibmesa supported.seed
[02:38] <Kamion> xlibmesa3 | xorg | Supported seed | Ubuntu X Maintainers <[email protected]> | 171368 | 268
[02:38] <Kamion> (among others)
[02:38] <Kamion> but I removed that from the supported seed several days ago ...
[02:42] <Kamion> ah, light dawns, that's the Edubuntu seed
[02:51] <mxpxpod> JanC, xerox, seth_k, Lathiat: that resolution setting in firefox doesn't fix it... could it be that GNOME is reading a different setting for dpi than firefox?
[03:32] <tseng> it could be
[03:32] <tseng> i think gtk/pango with cairo is now reading X for dpi
[03:32] <tseng> and not the gnome font setting
[03:33] <tseng> i would assume firefox gets it from gtk
[03:33] <mxpxpod> tseng: all of my GNOME apps read it from gnome
[03:33] <tseng> Kamion: that package even exists?
[03:33] <tseng> its been empty for some time, i thought we finally killed it
[03:34] <Kamion> mono-assemblies-arch | 1.1.7-0ubuntu9 | breezy | amd64, i386, powerpc
[03:34] <Kamion> ah, no longer built
[03:34] <tseng> right, its gone
[03:34] <Kamion> but something still depends/build-depends on it
[03:35] <tseng> i cant think of anything that ever depended on it
[03:35] <Kamion> d'oh, guys, it's in the supported seed :-P
[03:35] <tseng> eh, besides that
[03:35] <tseng> lets kill it please.
[03:35] <tseng> thanks :)
[05:30] <Lathiat> mxpxpod, xerox, seth_k, JanC: firefox in breezy doesnt pay attention to DPI like its supposed to, works fine in deer park, even setting DPI within firefox screws up
[05:30] <seth_k> Lathiat, word
[05:30] <seth_k> Lathiat, gimmie Firefox 1.5 for Breezy then :P
[05:30] <Lathiat> filing a bug
[05:30] <seth_k> awesome
[05:31] <seth_k> cross-file for Thunderbird; it has the same problem
[05:31] <Lathiat> thunderbird works fine for me
[05:31] <seth_k> really? let me check again
[05:31] <Lathiat> im on 120 dpi
[05:31] <Lathiat> and thunderbird comes up right
[05:31] <Lathiat> same as deer park alpha 2
[05:31] <seth_k> nope, its menus are huge for me :/
[05:31] <Lathiat> firefox does not
[05:31] <Lathiat> seth_k: hrm well im going the other way
[05:31] <Lathiat> i want them bigger
[05:32] <Lathiat> havent tried makign it <96
[05:32] <seth_k> hmmm
[05:32] <seth_k> For me, it's just that they're not the same size as my other KDE menus
[05:32] <seth_k> i want them consistent
[05:32] <Lathiat> hrm i set dpi to 72
[05:32] <Lathiat> and thunderbird still looks like 120
[05:32] <Amaranth> hey, is deer park not dying every 10 minutes today?
[05:32] <Lathiat> Amaranth: wfm(tM)
[05:33] <Lathiat> from the other day
[05:36] <seth_k> Lathiat, ah ha... I'll bet it's a KDE thing. Because Gaim has big fonts too. So maybe Firefox is broken for all, but all GTK apps are broken for KDE
[05:37] <Lathiat> well
[05:37] <Lathiat> i use gnome
[05:37] <Lathiat> and set the DPI in the gnome capplet
[05:39] <daniels> it's probably a pango/xft thing
[05:39] <daniels> er, pango/cairo
[05:40] <Lathiat> daniels: ah, would make sense
[05:41] <seth_k> yeah, I'm getting cairo warnings on all my GTK apps... they all crash when I try to bring up any menu
[05:41] <seth_k> gaim, synaptic, anything
[05:41] <Lathiat> wfm
[05:41] <seth_k> maybe a KDE thing again?
[05:41] <Lathiat> switch to gnome and find out :)
[05:42] <seth_k> hehe, yeah, I'll boot a second session real fast
[05:43] <jdub> kde doesn't set XSETTINGS
[05:43] <jdub> though fcrozat wrote a patch for mdk
[05:45] <Lathiat> blah, some stupid stories get on slashdot, whinging about google caching images of some nuclear thing in australia, when to get an image or page removed from google is a rather simple process.
[05:46] <bob2> except it's pointless
[05:47] <bob2> since the layout of lucas heights is well-known
[05:47] <Lathiat> uhuh
[05:47] <Amaranth> Lathiat: err, they're talking about google maps
[05:47] <bob2> and it's easy to get in, as demonstrated by a hundred greenpeace people in toxic-waste-barrels who overran the compex last year
[05:47] <Amaranth> i thought
[05:47] <seth_k> Lathiat, found it
[05:47] <Lathiat> Amaranth: oh? didnt get that by reading it
[05:47] <seth_k> Lathiat, it crashed in gnome too, so I removed gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[05:47] <bob2> oh, and the people who absailed off the reactor itself
[05:47] <seth_k> and no more crashes :)
[05:48] <Amaranth> bob2: holy shit, 100 greenpeace people got into a nuclear plant?
[05:48] <Amaranth> seth_k: gtk-qt engine and cairo don't get along
[05:48] <ajmitch> Amaranth: it's .au, they don't worry about things like security
[05:48] <seth_k> Amaranth, bug-worthy or does gtk-qt just get scrapped in favor of something else now?
[05:48] <bob2> it's not a "nuclear plant" it's a "half-arsed research reactor"
[05:48] <Amaranth> afaik this is a known issue and won't be getting fixed any time soon
[05:48] <bob2> we went on a school excursion to inside the containment building
[05:48] <ajmitch> bob2: research only, isn't it?
[05:49] <bob2> yeah
[05:49] <bob2> and making radioactive stuff for hospitals
[05:50] <Lathiat> anyone who wants that kind of info is likely to be able to get it anyway
[05:50] <Lathiat> you can get anything for the right price
[05:50] <mdz> ogra: I don't know what your issue is with ssh/ldm; it worked for me the last time I was able to try it (I need X fixes now)
[05:52] <bob2> haha, nsw health has a plan for distributing iodine after an accident to people living near the reactor
[05:52] <Lathiat> whats iodine do?
[05:53] <bob2> helps stop uptake of some radioactive isotopes in the body
[05:53] <ajmitch> Lathiat: avoids absorption of the radioactive iodine, iirc
[05:53] <jdub> Lathiat: helps a bit against radiation poisoning
[05:53] <Lathiat> ah
[05:54] <daniels> mdz: which X fixs do you need?
[05:54] <jdub> ALL OF THEM
[05:55] <jdub> it's like in movies, where the bad guy says KILL THEM ALL
[05:55] <daniels> heh
[05:56] <seth_k> is the bug that prevents me from CTRL+ALT+F#'ing to a different session from X?
[05:56] <seth_k> or is it not X-related
[05:56] <Lathiat> that works for me now
[05:57] <daniels> that works
[05:58] <seth_k> I'm 100% up-to-date and it's still a no go for me, something manual I need to do?
[05:58] <Amaranth> seth_k: reinstall xkbutils and xkeyboard-config
[05:59] <seth_k> ah
[06:00] <daniels> seth_k: see my mail to ubuntu-{devel,users}
[06:00] <jdub> $ dpkg -L xutils
[06:00] <jdub> /.
[06:00] <jdub> /usr
[06:00] <jdub> /usr/share
[06:00] <jdub> /usr/share/doc
[06:00] <jdub> /usr/share/doc/xutils
[06:00] <jdub> /usr/share/doc/xutils/copyright
[06:00] <jdub> /usr/share/doc/xutils/NEWS.Debian.gz
[06:00] <jdub> /usr/share/doc/xutils/changelog.Debian.gz
[06:00] <jdub>
[06:01] <daniels> jdub: feature, not a bug
[06:01] <jdub> serious lack of xmkmf, however
[06:01] <daniels> jdub: think of it as encouragement to use something sensible
[06:01] <jdub> ok, that is not a useful answer
[06:01] <Amaranth> mkmf?
[06:01] <Amaranth> err, xkmf
[06:01] <Amaranth> bleh
[06:01] <Amaranth> stupid name
[06:01] <Amaranth> what is it?
[06:02] <jdub> stupi build tool
[06:03] <mdz> daniels: on my laptop, X generated a configuration which gave me DefaultDepth 1
[06:03] <Lathiat> mdz: haha
[06:03] <Lathiat> jdub: need a mozilla extensions? :)
[06:03] <Lathiat> -s
[06:04] <daniels> mdz: nice one
[06:04] <daniels> mdz: still radeon hardware?
[06:04] <jdub> not when 'just works' would be more satisfying
[06:04] <mdz> daniels: yep
[06:04] <jdub> daniels: so...?
[06:04] <Lathiat> hrm, two mirrors just broke their universe Packages.gz at the same time. :\
[06:04] <mdz> daniels: in an ltsp scenario, I get a syntactically invalid X config file (extra EndSection), though it's possible that that's some sort of NFS or unionfs weirdness. I haven't looked into it
[06:06] <daniels> mdz: i can't see any possibility for extra EndSections in dexconf
[06:06] <daniels> jdub: 'later'. difficult problem.
[06:06] <daniels> mdz: can you please clag me the output of sudo xresprobe radeon in /msg?
[06:07] <Lathiat> jj
[06:07] <Lathiat> daniels: is xresprobe supposed to show somethign up in freq:
[06:07] <jdub> daniels: later being before we ship breezy with stuff in universe not building?
[06:07] <daniels> Lathiat: on laptops, no
[06:07] <Lathiat> daniels: ok
[06:07] <daniels> jdub: probably, yes
[06:08] <Lathiat> daniels: also when you get a chance can you send an email about what to do with gl and glu deps?
[06:09] <daniels> Lathiat: ok
[06:09] <Lathiat> daniels: cheers
[06:14] <TerminX> daniels: hey.. I noticed the Xorg binary is still in xserver-xorg instead of xserver-xorg-core, defeating the whole purpose of moving all the stuff in the first place. packaging error?
[06:17] <daniels> TerminX: 'tis but a symlink
[06:18] <TerminX> are you sure about that?
[06:18] <TerminX> the package is almost 300k
[06:18] <TerminX> seems kind of large for a symlink and nothing else really in it
[06:18] <Lathiat> lathiat@archer:~$ du -sh /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg
[06:18] <Lathiat> 228K /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg
[06:18] <TerminX> oh
[06:18] <TerminX> wtf then
[06:19] <Lathiat> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 2005-08-06 02:15 /usr/bin/Xorg -> ../X11R6/bin/Xorg
[06:19] <TerminX> never mind then
[06:19] <Lathiat> :)
[06:19] <TerminX> I sure feel dumb now
[06:19] <Lathiat> heh
[06:20] <Lathiat> 'sok, we all have our dumb moments
[06:21] <TerminX> aye..
[06:21] <TerminX> say, can someone try to replicate a bug for me?
[06:22] <TerminX> open synaptic, click a package, hold shift, hold the down arrow to select a bunch of them
[06:22] <TerminX> X locks for me if I do such a thing
[06:22] <TerminX> X also locks if I right click in synaptic and tell it to mark a package for upgrade
[06:23] <Lathiat> X locks or the synaptic window locks
[06:23] <TerminX> I ssh in from another machine and see X using all the CPU
[06:23] <Lathiat> works for me
[06:23] <TerminX> wtf
[06:23] <TerminX> I wonder where the problem lies on my end then
[06:23] <Lathiat> strace it, see what its doing
[06:24] <Lathiat> it'l be spinning on something
[06:24] <bob2> spin, sping sugar.
[06:25] <jamesh> trace the app too
[06:26] <jamesh> it might be doing something stupid
[06:31] <TerminX> Lathiat: http://pastebin.com/331734
[06:47] <mdz> Riddell: libqt3-mt-dev seems to be currently in conflict with x-window-system-core; would you look into it?
[07:10] <daniels> probably xlibmesa-gl vs libgl1-xorg hilarity
[07:16] <mdz> daniels: have any other l-r-m bug reports come in since .12 went up?
[07:19] <daniels> mdz: not that I've seen
[07:31] <pitti> Good morning!
[08:09] <glick> excuse me does anyone know how i can set it so that only the sudo user can shutdown the computer and it asks for the password?
[08:09] <bob2> you mean "how do I get rid of the shutdown and restart options from the gnome logout dialog"?
[08:10] <glick> yeah
[09:12] <doko> pitti: is there a way to determine all the country specific locales in a language support pack?
[09:18] <pitti> doko: you mean language-pack-*? not right now, apart from grepping Contents.gz
[09:44] <Mithrandir> pitti: do we have the latest fixes for clamav incorporated?
[09:44] <Mithrandir> 13:22 < Mithrandir> hm, anybody know the status of the remote buffer overflows in clamav?
[09:44] <Mithrandir> 13:31 < tseng> Mithrandir: last with a CVE is 2004
[09:44] <Mithrandir> 13:44 < Mithrandir> tseng: see http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?group_id=86638&release_id=344514
[09:44] <Mithrandir> 13:44 < Mithrandir> "Changes in this release include fixes for three possible integer overflows in libclamav"
[09:45] <pitti> Mithrandir: I didn't deal with that since it is universe; can we sync from debian?
[09:47] <Mithrandir> pitti: possibly. And I think we should get clamav into main, it's fairly crucial for mail servers. :-)
[09:49] <pitti> Hi seb128
[09:49] <seb128> hey pitti
[09:50] <jdub> yo seb128
[10:00] <nmsa> regards!
[10:01] <Amaranth> whee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:02] <nmsa> got a few questions: I need to build a app that will autodetect the pcmcia slot and dd -if=/pcmica -of=/file and then dd back to a new pcmcia
[10:03] <nmsa> I am builing it for users that are not familiar with linux and not able to find which and what devices to be used
[10:17] <mdke> daniels, around?
[10:24] <seb128> elmo, Kamion_: is libsoup2.2-8 waiting on NEW?
[10:53] <doko> pitti: ping?
[10:53] <pitti> doko: pong
[10:53] <doko> pitti: when you import locale data from rosetta into the language packs, are the language pack source packages updated with the new data?
[10:54] <pitti> doko: yes (but I don't do that yet)
[10:55] <doko> pitti: so I assume, it's ok, if I don't do that as well for OOo?
[10:55] <seb128> do we have any ftpmaster around?
[10:59] <pitti> doko: I don't do it because rosetta output still doesn't work, but as soon as it does, I will
[11:00] <pitti> Hi carlos! back in spain?
[11:00] <carlos> pitti, no, waiting at London
[11:00] <carlos> pitti, btw, hi
[11:01] <seb128> hey carlos
[11:01] <seb128> carlos: is the import done?
[11:01] <doko> pitti: ok, so you build the source package first, and upload that one? on which machine do you do this?
[11:01] <carlos> seb128, it should
[11:01] <carlos> still downloading mail
[11:02] <seb128> carlos: could thanks. How was you trip?
[11:02] <carlos> seb128, anyway, the language packs needs a script run on production, and it depends on Stuart (our DB admin) being online and I think it will not happen until tomorrow
[11:02] <carlos> seb128, it was not too long, but I didn't sleep enough :-(
[11:03] <seb128> carlos: pitti rolled some language-packs so that's not why I ask, I ask because I'm waiting for that to send a mail about the french translations and the l10n list ... no point to translated non-imported po that will only confuse people
[11:03] <carlos> seb128, hmm, if you can wait until the script is run is better
[11:04] <pitti> doko: on rookery
[11:04] <carlos> seb128, so the data is 100% fixed
[11:04] <seb128> carlos: just ping me when that's ready, thanks :)
[11:04] <carlos> seb128, count with that
[11:04] <pitti> doko: yes, langpack-o-matic takes the data tarball, and creates/updates the langpack source packages
[11:05] <pitti> doko: then I can test them, and if everything works, I upload
[11:06] <doko> pitti: and carlos provides you with the language data on rookery?
[11:06] <carlos> pitti, did you send me a spec update?
[11:07] <mxpxpod> what ever happened to xev?
[11:07] <pitti> doko: currently I build the data on my own from the tarballs that are stripped on the buildds
[11:08] <Amaranth> mxpxpod: It was terminated with extreme prejudice.
[11:08] <Amaranth> or whatever they say in stupid action movies
[11:08] <pitti> doko: later I will download them from maswan probably
[11:08] <pitti> carlos: doko did, I didn't yet; will do today
[11:08] <mxpxpod> Amaranth: what?? that sucks...
[11:08] <Amaranth> pfft, who needs xev?
[11:09] <carlos> pitti, yeah, I got doko's changes already. Ok, thanks. I need that spec finished to start the implementation as soon as possible. as I said, language packs will be my main task this week
[11:09] <mxpxpod> Amaranth: is there an alternative?
[11:10] <\sh> hmmm....did anybody had a look on http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/k/knet/0.6beta1-1ubuntu3/knet_0.6beta1-1ubuntu3_20050807-1512-amd64-failed.gz from yesterday?
[11:11] <\sh> very strang thing
[11:11] <Amaranth> segfault?
[11:14] <mxpxpod> holy cow... peter jennings died
[11:14] <Amaranth> :/
[11:15] <jsgotangco> yep
[11:16] <Kamion> seb128: libsoup> yes
[11:16] <Kamion> pitti: hmm, is there any chance that language-support-* could get fixed installability-wise today?
[11:17] <pitti> Kamion: yes, it's on today's agenda
[11:17] <Kamion> good, thanks
[11:17] <seb128> Kamion: can you accept it or do we have to wait for elmo?
[11:17] <pitti> Kamion: sudo apt-get --dry-run install language-support-de works fine
[11:18] <pitti> Kamion: is there any way I can debug this without actually installing everything?
[11:18] <Kamion> seb128: done
[11:19] <Kamion> pitti: try it from a freshly debootstrapped chroot
[11:19] <pitti> Kamion: I need to update the dependencies for oo.o2 anyway
[11:19] <Kamion> pitti: also, aspell-* is broken; doko said he was working on that, and that it was basically just waiting for syncs
[11:19] <seb128> Kamion: thanks
[11:20] <Kamion> pitti: I'm more worried about the openoffice.org-thesaurus-* thing than aspell-*, since that impacts language-support-en and therefore contributes to ubuntu-live being uninstallable
[11:20] <pitti> Kamion: I'm more concerned about my bandwidth, but I have another idea
[11:20] <pitti> Kamion: I have the latest amd64 dvd
[11:20] <Kamion> you also don't have to actually install everything
[11:21] <Kamion> as above, dry-run is fine, you just need to not have any obsolete/local packages installed or universe enabled
[11:21] <pitti> Kamion: so I already have all debs, I just need to fix X on my amd64 install
[11:21] <seb128> pitti: apt-get install complains before downloading when there is b0rkage
[11:21] <seb128> s/is/is some/
[11:21] <pitti> ok, thanks
[11:22] <pitti> as I said, it works fine on my breezy
[11:22] <pitti> but I have universe, I'll disable that
[11:22] <Kamion> you probably have packages outside main installed, or some packages not up to date
[11:22] <seb128> maybe you have some packages installed here not available to install atm :p
[11:22] <seb128> s/:p//
[11:22] <pitti> openoffice.org-l10n-de | 1.1.4-5ubuntu2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/main Packages
[11:23] <pitti> hm, shouldn't that be universe now?
[11:23] <pitti> anyway, I try in a chroot
[11:28] <Kamion> pitti: language-support-de still depends on openoffice.org-l10n-de, so it can't be demoted
[11:28] <pitti> ah, that way
[11:28] <doko> Kamion, pitti: we don't have a thesaurus yet for OOo2
[11:30] <Kamion> it should be removed from language-support-*, presumably
[11:32] <Lathiat> freenode are stupid
[11:32] <Lathiat> whats with the I= and N=
[11:32] <Lathiat> ~[user] is like tried and true and works fine
[11:33] <ajmitch> Lathiat: it's there to annoy us
[11:33] <ajmitch> and supposedly provide new features sometime
[11:39] <Lathiat> mvo: can synaptic detect a cd with packages and prompt to install them automatically?
[11:39] <pitti> carlos: I'm editing doko's edited spec now and mail it to you. I have some bug fixes and clarifications
[11:39] <janimo> lamont, xfce4-terminal is not in the archives although it built successfully. the list file says [uncomplied]
[11:39] <mvo> Lathiat: update-notifier can do this
[11:39] <pitti> Lathiat: it does already
[11:39] <Lathiat> as in a custom cd
[11:39] <mitsuhiko> ogra: is hwdb.ubuntu.com down?
[11:39] <Lathiat> and where can i find out what magic to do if so
[11:40] <mvo> Lathiat: if it looks like a ubuntu cd it will offer to add it or upgrade from it. no more support (right now) than that
[11:40] <Lathiat> mvo: ok so i cant have a cd with custom packages and get them installed?
[11:40] <ogra> mitsuhiko, yes, i'm working on some things there
[11:40] <carlos> pitti, ok, thanks. It should appear soon at wiki.launchpad.canonical.com so I will dump it there and point you there to any update.
[11:40] <ogra> should be up again
[11:41] <mitsuhiko> ogra: ok. but its not dead
[11:41] <ogra> nah :)
[11:41] <mitsuhiko> thx :)
[11:42] <mvo> Lathiat: sort of, you can automatically upgrade from such a cd (but it may complain loudly because your cd is probably not authenticated with a trusted apt key)
[11:42] <Lathiat> mvo: right but for that to be of any use i'd have to like override ubuntu-desktop or something, which is bad
[11:42] <Lathiat> and the trusted key thing
[11:42] <mvo> carlos: would it be possible to get language-selectors pot file imported into launchpad?
[11:43] <carlos> mvo, is it inside a .deb package?
[11:43] <mvo> Lathiat: yes. what is your goal here? what would your cd do?
[11:43] <carlos> mvo, if it is, when it's imported into Ubuntu's archive it should be imported automatically
[11:43] <Lathiat> mvo: install an application
[11:44] <mvo> carlos: yes, it's in language-selector, but it's universe right now, may this be the problem?
[11:44] <Lathiat> say, a custom application of my own, or, a set of ubuntu packages
[11:44] <mvo> Lathiat: right. it would be easy enough to add support to install whatever is on the cd
[11:44] <Lathiat> mvo: right, thatd be cool, but its not there now?
[11:45] <mvo> Lathiat: no, you can only upgrade and "add" the cd right now. for more, please file a whishlist bug against update-notifier
[11:45] <carlos> mvo, no, it will not appear as part of language packs
[11:45] <Lathiat> mvo: ok, thanks
[11:45] <carlos> mvo, but it still should be available from Rosetta
[11:46] <carlos> mvo, if it does not appears, send me an email and I will check it manually
[11:46] <mvo> carlos: ok, I'll check again and mail you (if needed). thanks!
[11:47] <carlos> mvo, ok, thanks
[11:47] <carlos> seb128, 99 .po files left to be imported
[11:48] <seb128> carlos: k
[11:48] <seb128> carlos: 99 errors or that's WIP?
[11:49] <carlos> seb128, I think those have errors, because only one file was imported after 8 hours
[11:49] <carlos> I will debug it tomorrow, when I'm back in Spain
[11:56] <seb128> carlos: k
[11:59] <Kamion> daniels: I have a few changes backed up behind the libgl1-xorg-dev fix; if you can let me know roughly when it'll land, that'd be cool
[12:07] <Mez> hmm is it ok to re-do a package to get rid of arch stuff?
[12:07] <Kamion> if it came from Debian that way, please leave it alone
[12:07] <Kamion> we don't need more spurious diffs
[12:07] <Kamion> if it was part of an Ubuntu change, generally yes
[12:07] <Lathiat> arch stuff?
[12:08] <Mez> yeah
[12:08] <Mez> debian/{arch}
[12:08] <Mez> et etc
[12:08] <Mez> Kamion: not too sure if It came from debian that way
[12:08] <Mez> but it's in the debdiff
[12:08] <Mez> diff.gz*
[12:10] <Mez> ah yes it obv did come from debain
[12:10] <Mez> debian *
[12:10] <Mez> it hasnt got an ubuntu *
[12:20] <zyga> mvo, hello
[12:20] <mvo> hey zyga
[12:21] <zyga> mvo, I've got new pl.po for update-manager
[12:21] <mvo> zyga: nice! against cvs? or current breezy version?
[12:21] <zyga> against cvs
[12:22] <zyga> I'm not sure where I should fetch my source ...
[12:22] <mvo> zyga: cvs is unfortunately probably not going to make it for feature freeze :(
[12:23] <zyga> mvo, is the apt module available in breezy's python? I wasn't able to run cvs version
[12:24] <mvo> zyga: yes, I uploaded it on friday
[12:24] <mvo> cvs should work now (there where some api changes in the apt module)
[12:24] <GOGILOLik> http://www.pizdec.net/download-video.php?videos=42830 http://www.pizdec.net/download-video.php?videos=42830 http://www.pizdec.net/download-video.php?videos=42830 http://www.pizdec.net/download-video.php?videos=42830 http://www.pizdec.net/download-video.php?videos=42830 http://www.pizdec.net/download-video.php?videos=42830 http://www.pizdec.net/download-video.php?videos=42830 http://www.pizdec.net/download-video.php?videos=42830
[12:28] <zyga> mvo, I've got some extra patches related to i18n as before
[12:35] <mvo> zyga: nice, please send them to me
[12:37] <zyga> mvo, ASAP
[12:44] <elmo> rm /etc/wifi-radar.conf
[12:44] <elmo> could that ever be right in a prerm?
[12:47] <janimo> elmo, xffm4 is NEW please help it pass into the build, thanks
[12:51] <zyga> mvo, what is POTFILES.skip for?
[01:00] <zyga> mvo, mail away
[01:17] <|rockinnerd|> is customizing the kubuntu livecd the same as customizing the Ubuntu livecd?
[01:20] <Riddell> |rockinnerd|: yep
[01:22] <|rockinnerd|> Riddell, thx
[01:22] <|rockinnerd|> i assumed, b/c it's just ubuntu with kde and not gnome
[01:23] <Riddell> |rockinnerd|: yep
[01:25] <|rockinnerd|> i've tried customizing it (sry if i'm in the wrong channel with this question,) but i ended up with an ISO image that's too large, what's the limit in the chroot environment on space?
[01:25] <Mez> Riddell, did you get that link I posted for kynaptic?
[01:33] <elmo> daniels: ?
[01:33] <pitti> Kamion: sorry, I don't get it. I have a clean breezy dchroot with ubuntu-base and -standard installed, and I try "aptitude install ubuntu-desktop language-support-en": this works fine
[01:34] <pitti> Kamion: is there any way to get some more detail from your testing output?
[01:40] <Riddell> Mez: yep
[01:40] <Riddell> top of the todo list now Mez :)
[01:41] <Kamion> pitti: no, not really
[01:41] <pitti> Kamion: ok, I just review them manually, nevermind then
[01:42] <Kamion> pitti: I'm trying a fresh chroot now, but it failed for me yesterday
[01:42] <Kamion> pitti: try apt-get rather than aptitude
[01:43] <pitti> Kamion: assuming that it would barf before the Y/n ack, it works
[01:43] <Kamion> what's in sources.list?
[01:43] <ruben1> on the main inclusion queue: does the fact that networkmanager is listed under deferred mean that we won't see it in breezy?
[01:43] <Kamion> and, what arch?
[01:44] <ruben1> or just that it's horribly broken but still a goal
[01:44] <pitti> Kamion: just "deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.10 _Breezy Badger_ - Alpha amd64 (20050802)] / breezy main restricted"
[01:44] <pitti> Kamion: however, that's the latest amd64 dvd
[01:44] <Kamion> better test by debootstrapping from the archive
[01:44] <pitti> Kamion: some packages are a little out of date now
[01:45] <Kamion> or debootstrap using the DVD as a source, but install further packages from the archive
[01:47] <pitti> it doesn't really upgrade much, but let's see...
[01:47] <pitti> aaah
[01:48] <pitti> language-support-en: Depends: aspell-en but it is not going to be installed
[01:48] <pitti> so that's just the aspell issue
[01:48] <Mithrandir> hm, why is ooo suddenly the default for .txt files?
[01:49] <Kamion> pitti: only on amd64; try an i386 chroot and you'll see the OOo thesaurus issue too
[01:49] <Kamion> because amd64's still on OOo1 so it doesn't exhibit that problem
[01:49] <Kamion> I sent you mail about it
[01:49] <pitti> ok, thanks
[01:49] <Kamion> (last week or so)
[01:50] <pitti> ok, I currently update the oo.o deps anyway
[01:55] <pitti> doko: hm, so ooo2 doesn't have any help/thesaurus/hyphenation packages?
[01:59] <doko> pitti: the help packages need java for the build, but don't build with the free java
[02:01] <rburton> fabbione: there?
[02:05] <mr_mojo> hi
[02:05] <mr_mojo> is there any screenshots of the oem installer?
[02:07] <Kamion> not to my knowledge
[02:07] <Kamion> and it's really REALLY not ready for screenshotting for documentation or what-have-you
[02:07] <rubenv> hmm, I can't seem to find anything about networkmanager in the breezy goals meeting irc log
[02:07] <mr_mojo> i was just curious to what it looks like
[02:07] <rubenv> is it still a goal?
[02:08] <Kamion> infinity wasn't at that meeting, and NetworkMagic is currently his goal
[02:09] <Kamion> so there wasn't a lot of point discussing it
[02:09] <rubenv> it's not yet deferred till breezy+1?
[02:10] <Kamion> I don't believe so, although it's getting close to the wire
[02:10] <rubenv> would be an awful shame
[02:10] <rubenv> Too bad I need this laptop for work and had to downgrade to hoary
[02:10] <mr_mojo> wait - ooo2 isn't going to be in breezy?
[02:11] <Kamion> mr_mojo: you're misinterpreting overlapping conversations.
[02:11] <mr_mojo> oh ok.
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[02:14] <zyga> why does pylint depend on python2.3-pylint instead of python2.4-pylint?
[02:15] <elmo> err, does someon know a freenode oper they can complain to about these damn spammers?
[02:17] <_d4vid> User666, russian ?
[02:17] <_d4vid> :p
[02:19] <rburton> fabbione: is there such a think as debug kernel images for breezy? i'm using oprofile and it wants an uncompressed kernel image
[02:20] <Amaranth> you can build one
[02:20] <rburton> i can, but i'd prefer not too
[02:20] <Amaranth> but a 'debug' kernel would be 150MB
[02:20] <Amaranth> so they aren't in the archives
[02:20] <rburton> i think its happy with an uncompressed image
[02:20] <rburton> oh why can't oprofile read the compressed images :)
[02:21] <Amaranth> bitch to rml? :P
[02:21] <rburton> ha
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[02:23] <rburton> Amaranth: i don't think i need a debug build, just an uncompressed one
[02:31] <Mithrandir> *sigh
[02:31] <Mithrandir> doko: why does ooo2-writer require python-uno?
[02:32] <Mithrandir> oh, joy.
[02:34] <martink> Mithrandir, the email merge script is written in python ( http://blogs.linux.ie/caolan/2005/07/05/email-mailmerge/ )
[02:35] <doko> elmo: please sync from unstable: aspell-de aspell-it aspell-cy aspell-de-alt aspell-en aspell-es aspell-el aspell-fr aspell-ga ispell-gl aspell-is ispell-lt aspell-pl aspell-sk aspell-sl aspell-ukr aspell-uz
[02:35] <Mithrandir> martink: I'm trying to get ooo2 packaged for amd64, but I'm not sure we want to go down this road at all.. it would require packaging up the 32 bit python
[02:36] <doko> Mithrandir: did you check the amd64 packages I did build?
[02:36] <Mithrandir> doko: no, not yet. I'm pondering whether just sticking with them would be the better choice, since I don't think doing ooo2-amd64 is realistic
[02:38] <doko> Mithrandir: it's the question, if they are stable enough. what would be unrealistic about ooo2-amd64?
[02:38] <Mithrandir> doko: having a 32 bit python alongside the 64 bit one, for a start.
[02:39] <Mithrandir> doko: can you give me the URL again?
[02:39] <doko> Mithrandir: that's a binary and some modules, not more
[02:40] <martink> Mithrandir, I'm sure that the mailmerge script could be disabled easily
[02:40] <janimo> rburton, there's a debian bug asking vmlinux to be packged too but no resolution yet :(
[02:40] <janimo> in the meantime use --no-vmlinux :)
[02:40] <janimo> unless you want to profile the kernel itself
[02:40] <rburton> janimo: i kinda want to know what the kernel is doing considering its taking 63% of my profile
[02:41] <janimo> then I guess asking fabbione is the way to go but he's on vac now I think
[02:41] <janimo> anyway I second your request
[02:42] <rburton> oh balls
[02:45] <martink> Mithrandir, native ooo on amd64 is not usable. And last time I looked, python-uno wasn't even packagable on amd64 native
[02:46] <doko> martink: you did see that as well? I couldn't figure out, why its not installed. at least it's installed into the solver
[02:49] <martink> doko, pyuno is disabled on amd64 because it breaks make install (buildfix-64bit-scp2-no-python.diff)
[03:00] <janimo> elmo, please sync xffm4 (it's NEW - it was in warty but not in hoary)
[03:01] <elmo> [Updating] aspell-pl (20050510-1ubuntu1 [Ubuntu] < 20050728-1 [Debian] )
[03:01] <elmo> doko: UVFEA needed
[03:01] <elmo> doko: aspell-es doesn't exist
[03:02] <elmo> aspell-uz is new, so I think needs UVFEA too
[03:02] <elmo> [Updating] ispell-lt (1.1-4ubuntu1 [Ubuntu] < 1.1+cvs20050806-1 [Debian] )
[03:02] <elmo> UVFEA needed there too
[03:03] <elmo> janimo: xffm4 is in universe
[03:03] <elmo> janimo: and it has a higher version number than Debian/unstable
[03:03] <elmo> which means I can't sync it
[03:03] <elmo> xffm4 | 1:4.2.1-1 | breezy/universe | amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc
[03:03] <elmo> whereas, Debian unstable has 4.2.2-1 (and because of the epoch, that's << than breezy)
[03:04] <Kamion> elmo: approved aspell-en at least, I haven't checked the others
[03:06] <elmo> kamion: the others are all minor version bumps (that looks like reunification too), so I sort of assumed they were pre-approved ;)
[03:06] <robertle> ogra: ping
[03:06] <Kamion> elmo: oh, I see, I misunderstood you
[03:06] <elmo> doko: others done - please get UVFEA for the others or correct me if I'm wrong
[03:07] <elmo> \sh: have you talked to daniels about xterm?
[03:07] <janimo> elmo, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/xffm4
[03:07] <janimo> debian has 4.2.2
[03:07] <janimo> I epoch...
[03:07] <azeem> janimo: mind the epoch
[03:08] <doko> elmo: ok, I'm asking for UVFEA, but these are dictionaries. aspell-es -> espa-nol
[03:08] <janimo> azeem, elmo ok
[03:08] <janimo> can it not be forced? that package in sid is actually newer
[03:08] <elmo> no, it can't be forced
[03:08] <elmo> because then users wouldn't see the upgrade
[03:09] <elmo> doko: espa-nol done
[03:09] <janimo> elmo, so I'll have to take the changes by hand?
[03:09] <janimo> can we get rid of the epoch so next time the sync works?
[03:10] <Mithrandir> no, you can never get rid of an epoch
[03:10] <elmo> no, epochs are forever
[03:10] <elmo> janimo: yes, you'll need to merge and do an upload byhand
[03:10] <janimo> so for this package we'll never be able to sync debian automatically?
[03:10] <janimo> unless they take apoch that is
[03:10] <Mithrandir> janimo: not unless debian adds an epoch too, no.
[03:10] <elmo> right
[03:10] <Kamion> elmo: aspell-pl, aspell-uz are fine
[03:10] <janimo> ok thanks guys.
[03:11] <mbreit> elmo: did you get my sync request for drpython?
[03:11] <elmo> mbreit: yes
[03:11] <elmo> Kamion/doko: done
[03:12] <mbreit> elmo: okay then... i was just wondering because i am getting no feedback from you (as well as for my whitelist request *g*)
[03:12] <Kamion> elmo: ispell-lt is fine too
[03:13] <elmo> mbreit: dude, your sync request was sent at midnight on Friday; I'll get round to it when I can
[03:14] <azeem> \sh: why was pymol again uploaded with a ubuntu revision? Wouldn't it suffice to just sync from unstable (the debian->ubuntu patch only contains the changelog)
[03:14] <mbreit> elmo: thanks!
[03:15] <elmo> Kamion/doko: done too
[03:15] <elmo> fabbione: around?
[03:15] <elmo> (I know, you're on holiday - feel free to ignore me ;)
[03:16] <Kamion> elmo: I just happened to randomly spot that that yaboot thing you mentioned is fixed in arch
[03:16] <elmo> which yaboot thing? I have so many complaints about yaboot :>
[03:16] <Kamion> elmo: apparently 2.6.12 indeed doesn't have those symlinks any more - when you asked me I was still running patched 2.6.9, I've since upgraded
[03:16] <Kamion> elmo: the lack of symlinks in /proc/device-tree/ on davis
[03:16] <elmo> aha
[03:17] <elmo> cool, thanks
[03:18] <\sh> azeem: it was on the MoM list
[03:19] <azeem> ah, probably due to the prior ubuntu version, which never built successfully
[03:20] <azeem> just wondered about the procedure
[03:20] <\sh> elmo: can u please include the new motu gpg keys into the keyring, so we don't have to much workload with uploads from other approved motus with no upload rights? thx...
[03:21] <elmo> \sh: can you answer my question about xterm?
[03:22] <elmo> and if a package has no changes, it always should be synced
[03:22] <madduck> who's responsible for mdadm in ubuntu?
[03:22] <\sh> elmo: yes...I want to upload it, cause for a favor of daniels..and I'm approved for main..please read my mail to keyring :)
[03:23] <elmo> \sh: is daniels aware of this? last time I spoke to him, he seemed very much unaware
[03:23] <Kamion> http://ozlabs.org/pipermail/linuxppc-dev/2005-August/019354.html
[03:23] <Kamion> whoa
[03:23] <\sh> elmo: yes
[03:24] <\sh> elmo: I can try to find the logs again
[03:24] <Kamion> madduck: nobody particular. Various of us have fixed a few urgent things as required, but I don't think any of us would like to be regarded as the maintainer.
[03:24] <tseng> \sh: what date
[03:25] <\sh> tseng: 2 weeks 2 1/2 I'll check
[03:25] <Kamion> \sh: you're supposed to review MOM's output and decide whether to sync as appropriate, not just accept it
[03:25] <madduck> Kamion: ok. i am now the debian maintainer it seems. and i am also a MOTU, so i guess i'll just keep doing it for both and pester you whenever there's an upload. :)
[03:25] <Kamion> madduck: we'll probably just keep on merging as need be and sending patches when stuff breaks ;)
[03:26] <Kamion> madduck: ideally mdadm would be the same in Debian and Ubuntu though; there's no huge reason for it to diverge, apart from maybe the lsb-base stuff if you don't like that
[03:26] <madduck> this is exactly what i want to do. the same package for both.
[03:26] <madduck> lsb-base stuff is responsible for this [ OK ] init output crap?
[03:27] <\sh> elmo: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-devel-2005-07-29.html
[03:29] <Mez> elmo: while you're sorting out \sh's key, any chance of sorting out mine too?
[03:30] <\sh> Mez: I'm not interessted in my key right now...MOTU keys are much more important right now
[03:30] <Mez> oh, I musta mis read what you said earlier
elmo: yes...I want to upload it, cause for a favor of daniels..and I'm approved for main..please read my mail to keyring :)
[03:32] <Kamion> madduck: yes
[03:33] <\sh> Mez: 15:20 < \sh> elmo: can u please include the new motu gpg keys into the keyring, so we don't have to much workload with uploads from other approved motus with no upload rights? thx...
[03:33] <tseng> =/
[03:33] <Mez> \sh: I dont think I was here for that
[03:34] <tseng> im sure he can keep track of his own work list
[03:34] <madduck> Kamion: so ubuntu uses lsb-base and debian does not... have you guys pondered how to do this properly? i am thinking /etc/default/rcS ...
[03:34] <madduck> Kamion: it would be best to be able to decide on whether init should output LSB stuff per installation, not per package, right?
[03:34] <Kamion> madduck: Debian has lsb-base too, some maintainers have started to move to it
[03:35] <Kamion> the output format is not LSB-mandated
[03:35] <Kamion> it's just what Nathaniel happened to think was pretty when he did it
[03:35] <Kamion> I'd like to see more output configurability in lsb-base, and reduced brokenness surrounding error messages
[03:36] <madduck> right. doesn't debian policy specify how debian's init output looks like? i seem to recall it's not [ OK ] -style.
[03:36] <madduck> Kamion: and that was one of the main reasons why i dropped redhat. :)
[03:36] <Kamion> madduck: yes, it does
[03:36] <Kamion> madduck: the output annoys me too
[03:37] <madduck> so how can some maintainers adopt it? i'll be filing bugs soon! xorg is firsT!
[03:37] <Kamion> *sigh*
[03:37] <Kamion> policy always lags behind implementation
[03:37] <madduck> sure
[03:37] <Kamion> concentrate energy on improving lsb-base, I think
[03:37] <madduck> but the way to change it is not to disobey it.
[03:38] <Kamion> not on pointless policy flamewars
[03:38] <Kamion> and if there's to be a bug filed, there should be precisely ONE, on lsb-base
[03:38] <madduck> ic. so lsb-base provides the output functions and xorg simply uses them?
[03:38] <Kamion> yes
[03:39] <madduck> then, obviously, you are perfectly correct
[03:39] <Kamion> they're a bit nastily hardcoded
[03:39] <madduck> lsb-base should be made to output debian-style.
[03:40] <tepsipakki> is ubuntu interested in following lsb with runlevel-stuff?
[03:40] <tepsipakki> the current model in U and D is sucky
[03:41] <madduck> tepsipakki: debian is reworking the init stuff
[03:41] <tepsipakki> really? where is it mentioned?
[03:41] <madduck> tepsipakki: and we do it in cooperation with ubuntu so that one size will fit all.
[03:41] <madduck> tepsipakki: initscripts-ng on alioth.
[03:41] <tepsipakki> yes, thought so
[03:41] <tepsipakki> ah
[03:41] <tepsipakki> will check it out
[03:41] <madduck> not much there yet
[03:42] <tepsipakki> damn ;)
[03:42] <Kamion> the LSB says "Conforming implementations are not required to provide these exact run levels or give them the meanings described here, and may map any level described here to a different level which provides the equivalent functionality."
[03:42] <Kamion> if you're talking about the semantics of runlevels 2 and 3
[03:42] <Kamion> so talking about following the LSB is a bit of a misrepresentation IMHO
[03:43] <tepsipakki> no, the "su"-mode that has networking set up etc...
[03:43] <tepsipakki> well, of course there could also be more than just 1 and 2
[03:43] <Kamion> not confusing existing users is pretty important
[03:43] <tepsipakki> kamion: yes.. it's two different matters
[03:44] <tepsipakki> 1. I'd like the ng-stuff to have proper su-mode, with only root mounted and no network
[03:45] <tepsipakki> 2. a multiuser-runlevel with no network
[03:45] <tepsipakki> yes I can do these by myself, and we have made that, but still..
[03:46] <tepsipakki> I would've thought that someone had seen the light already ;)
[03:46] <Mez> Kamion: FYI: that Kynaptic was rebuilt :D
[03:48] <Kamion> Mez: I saw, thanks
[03:48] <Mez> Kamion: no probs
[03:50] <Mithrandir> doko: any reason why lib32gcc1 doesn't provide a shlibs file?
[03:51] <daniels> elmo: ?!?!
[03:51] <daniels> Kamion: tonight/tomorrow morning aest
[03:51] <Kamion> thanks
[03:51] <daniels> elmo: i'm happy for \sh to take xterm, whether or not this means me sponsoring his packages.
[03:51] <Mez> daniels, it shouldnt, \sh was approved for main
[03:52] <Mez> btw daniels: any idea when xkill/glxinfo will return
[03:53] <daniels> Mez: the answer to all of those questions is 'no'
[03:53] <doko> Mithrandir: yep, it's a bug, will fix it
[03:53] <\sh> ok...first I need to go home..I need a shower and a strong coffee...and then I will work further on
[03:53] <Mez> daniels, there was only one question
[03:53] <Mithrandir> doko: want a bug filed or will you remember it?
[03:53] <daniels> Mez: they get prioritised depending on breakage. if they break builds or desktops, then I have absolutely no ETA, because I have a ton of stuff that I need to do before feature freeze and a ton of missing binraies also.
[03:53] <daniels> Mez: to 'when will <foo> app return'
[03:53] <doko> Mithrandir: already fixed
[03:53] <Mithrandir> doko: ok, thanks
[03:54] <doko> Mithrandir: but not for the next upload (jbailey does the biarch bootstrap dance with lamont/infinity)
[03:54] <Mez> daniels: they're part of xorg :P hence why I asked - but i assume they will return before releasE?
[03:55] <daniels> Mez: 'probably'
[03:56] <Mez> daniels, :P
[03:56] <daniels> Mez: glxgears may not. a lot of stupid sample apps like xedit and xeyes definitely will not.
[03:57] <Kamion> incidentally, is there anything other developers can do to help with app packaging? it seems like the sort of thing that could be farmed out
[03:57] <daniels> absolutely
[03:57] <daniels> grab the source for ... say, xauth
[03:57] <Mez> daniels, glxgears is there - It's glxinfo I'm worried about :D
[03:57] <rburton> daniels: dude, xedit!!!
[03:57] <Kamion> well, I was thinking more new apps that have yet to be packaged, since those seem to be the critical path
[03:57] <daniels> rburton: my thoughts on xedit violate the coc. incidentally, one of the words is only one letter away from coc.
[03:58] <daniels> kaminright
[03:58] <daniels> so, grab the source for xauth
[03:58] <daniels> and use its debian/ dir as a template
[03:58] <Kamion> oh, I see
[03:58] <daniels> follow the modular build instructions on xorg.freedesktop.org, and just grab stuff out of xorg/app/*
[03:58] <Kamion> xmkmf looks tricky though, it's off in config/
[03:58] <rburton> daniels: do you know much about xcb?
[03:58] <daniels> you'll need to change dist_man_MANS = foo.man in most cases to dist_man1_MANS
[03:58] <Kamion> ok
[03:59] <daniels> Kamion: xmkmf is a special case, because we need to ship the .cf files as well, which we don't ship in the modular tree
[03:59] <Kamion> do developers need to coordinate with xorg upstream to get tarball releases of the apps?
[03:59] <Kamion> or just pull CVS?
[03:59] <daniels> aside from that, the apps should be reasonably easy to package. you'll need to pul debian/copyright yourself.
[03:59] <daniels> Kamion: just pull cvs.
[03:59] <daniels> Kamion: the version numbers on the apps are, um, a little arbitrary
[03:59] <daniels> hence xauth 1.0 vs 1.0.0
[04:00] <daniels> which may need to become 1.0.0.0 in the future
[04:00] <daniels> it's at least a bit easier now that we've decided on a versioning scheme
[04:00] <Mithrandir> "add zeroes as you release new versions"?
[04:00] <daniels> kind of fortuitious that my scheme won, because veryone else in the release cabal was arguing strongly against me
[04:00] <Mithrandir> aka "SAVE POWER"?
[04:01] <daniels> Mithrandir: well, whether everything has its own versions, or starts at 7
[04:01] <Kamion> might be worth throwing out a vaguely prioritised hitlist so that people can cherry-pick from there to best effect
[04:02] <Riddell> daniels: can you tell me the current gl and glu build-deps to be used for qt?
[04:03] <Kamion> libgl's broken for build-deps at the moment
[04:03] <Riddell> so I'm discovering
[04:03] <daniels> Riddell: libgl-xorg-dev | libgl-dev, libglu-mesa-dev | libglu-dev
[04:03] <daniels> but libgl-xorg-dev is somewhat uninstallable at the moment
[04:03] <daniels> *cough*
[04:03] <Kamion> isn't that libgl1-xorg-dev and libglu1-mesa-dev?
[04:03] <Mithrandir> go ooo. Link against pam.
[04:03] <daniels> Kamion: problem is that most of the priorities (especially xmkmf) are seriously non-trivial
[04:04] <daniels> Kamion: it's basically 'sessreg, xset, xmkmf, anything else', and the rest being spotfires as people go OMG GNOME NEEDS THIS
[04:04] <daniels> Kamion: er, yes. yes it is.
[04:04] <Mithrandir> and double-go lib32z1, put your files in the wrong spot.
[04:04] <Kamion> understood; just thinking maybe people could take the medium-level stuff off your hands to reduce the OMG GLXGEARS factor a bit :)
[04:05] <Kamion> without stepping on stuff you're already doing
[04:06] <Riddell> libglu1-mesa-dev wants to remove x-window-system-core
[04:06] <Kamion> Riddell: yes, that's due to the libgl1-xorg-dev uninstallability
[04:07] <Kamion> I have another mesa upload queued to make libgl1-xorg-dev the primary alternative for libgl-dev, but I'm not uploading it until libgl1-xorg-dev's fixed because it would make the world even more confusing
[04:07] <daniels> Kamion: heh
[04:07] <daniels> Kamion: someone else can take glxgears, and maintain the shit :P
[04:07] <Kamion> oh, and to make libglu1-mesa depend on libgl1-xorg as the primary alternative for libgl1 too, of course
[04:08] <daniels> Kamion: but yeah, point taken, I'll put up a wiki page when I'm done with all the stuff I want to do tonight (which won't necessarily occur tonight. might well happen on the tram to uni tomorrow.)
[04:08] <daniels> Kamion: yeah. i'm looking at mesa now, including a new upstream release.
[04:09] <Kamion> ah, yeah, I was going to ask you about that, having noticed that xorg upstream were recommending 6.3.1
[04:09] <daniels> Kamion: then libgl*-xorg DIES DIES DIES
[04:09] <daniels> Kamion: well, anything below 6.3.1 will produce a libGL that's incapable of direct rendering, which kind of bites, especially since all indirect is unaccelerated with our current crappy server architecture
[04:09] <Kamion> is the libGLw in libgl1-xorg built for Xt widgets?
[04:10] <daniels> uhm. i think so. do things actually use that? i was hoping to kill it.
[04:10] <Kamion> it'd be neat if we could do that with mesa's libGLw; I had to brutally excise it to avoid pulling lesstif2-dev into main, and I'd've preferred a less brutal approach
[04:10] <Kamion> oh, ok. very little if anything in the archive uses it, max three packages
[04:10] <daniels> Kamion: motif is the way of the future
[04:10] <daniels> Kamion: soon you linux weenies will realise that gtk is a toy toolkit
[04:11] <daniels> Kamion: awesome. CRUSH! KILL! DESTROY!
[04:11] <Kamion> killing it's fine with me
[04:12] <daniels> Kamion: \o/
[04:12] <daniels> Kamion: i am hungry for blood
[04:12] <jsgotangco> lol
[04:22] <lamont__> daniels: so about all my dep-wait libxp-dev packages.......
[04:23] <seb128> lamont__: hi. Could you kick gnome-applets on i386?
[04:24] <lamont__> seb128: kicked
[04:25] <seb128> thanks
[04:25] <daniels> lamont__: ... they use xprint. they're fundamentally broken. you're better off without them.
[04:28] <lamont__> web/firefox_1.0.6-1ubuntu4: Dep-Wait by buildd+smallone [optional:out-of-date]
[04:28] <lamont__> Dependencies: libxp-dev
[04:28] <lamont__> mail/mozilla-thunderbird_1.0.6-0ubuntu2: Dep-Wait by buildd+smallone [optional:uncompiled]
[04:28] <lamont__> Dependencies: libxp-dev
[04:28] <lamont__> universe/x11/xprint_1:0.1.0.alpha1-11: Dep-Wait by buildd+smallone [optional:out-of-date]
[04:28] <lamont__> Dependencies: libxp-dev
[04:28] <lamont__> (ok, that one is just funny(
[04:29] <lamont__> and a bunch of games
[04:29] <daniels> lamont__: who uses those?
[04:29] <lamont__> ffox and tbird I kinda care about
[04:29] <lamont__> not just because ffox is also blocking a bunch of packages
[04:38] <madduck> Kamion: #321963 -- seems like Chris Lawrence is working on it.
[04:42] <Kamion> lamont__: it's still there 'cos nobody's acted on the rene output yet, probably deliberately
[04:42] <Kamion> madduck: cool
[04:42] <lamont__> Kamion: ah, ok.
[04:42] <lamont__> we should do that semi-soonish, since it's the source of a few things being FTBFS in the archive
[04:43] <lamont__> (things already built, true... but that only makes it worse, IMO)
[04:47] <seb128> jdub: around?
[04:54] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:58] <pkern> If I discover a broken dependency in universe which results out of a security update, I have to get in touch with #ubuntu-motu, right?
[04:58] <shackan> rhytmbox doesn't play shoutcast streams, who's the rb mantainer ?
[04:59] <daniels> seb128
[04:59] <shackan> seb128, ping :)
[04:59] <HiddenWolf> shackan: just install gstreamer-mpeg, and it'll play shoutcast
[04:59] <HiddenWolf> shoutcast -> mp3
[05:00] <shackan> and aac streams ?
[05:00] <HiddenWolf> shackan: check which gstreamer-codec does aac.
[05:00] <shackan> thanks a lot
[06:00] <seb128> shackan: pong
[06:04] <shaya> what's with the "[4294683.802000] " type stuff in all kernel logs w/ the .12 kernels?
[06:04] <shaya> is that an ubuntu addition or std kernel?
[06:04] <tseng> i think thats that auditing framework
[06:05] <shackan> seb128, two things about rhythmbox: 1) it eats 100% if I the connection drops while listening to some streaming and I press the stop/play button 2) I can't find gstreamer codecs in breezy, it's in multiverse ? (I didn't check)
[06:05] <shaya> "auditing framework" ?
[06:05] <shackan> ops, it eats 100% cpu
[06:06] <Kamion> shaya: timestamp since boot, AFAIK it's standard not an Ubuntu addition
[06:06] <shaya> hmm, ok. annoying as takes up space in dmesg buffer
[06:06] <shaya> so get less logs via dmesg
[06:18] <seb128> shackan: what codecs? 1) maybe an known issue upstream, there is some such bugs
[06:19] <shackan> mpeg
[06:27] <seb128> shackan: have you tried with gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg from universe?
[06:30] <pitti> doko: openoffice.org2-l10n-en-gb is in universe, is there a special reason for that or was it just forgotten to be promoted?
[06:30] <doko> pitti: no reason
[06:31] <doko> pitti: note that with the next upload (if that one is actually built), all the l10n packages will disappear, until built from the second ooo-l10n package
[06:31] <Lathiat> mdz: yay that upload fixed nvidia gl :)
[06:32] <mdz> Lathiat: actually, last week's did, but it didn't compile ;-)
[06:32] <pitti> doko: atm this package is the only one that makes l-support-en uninstallable
[06:32] <pitti> Hi mdz
[06:32] <Lathiat> mdz: ah :)
[06:33] <pitti> mdz: speaking about l-r-m, why there are a bunch of object files in /lib/linux-restricted-modules/2.6.12-6-amd64-generic/, but no nvidia.ko? packaging bug?
[06:34] <Lathiat> pitti: theyre linked at boot time
[06:34] <pitti> uh, are they?
[06:34] <pitti> uh, are they?
[06:34] <mdz> pitti: sudo /etc/init.d/linux-restricted-modules-common start
[06:34] <pitti> cool, thanks
[06:35] <Kamion> pitti: we'll promote oo2-l10n-en-gb when you upload the new language-support-* so that it shows up in the list of stuff to promote
[06:35] <Kamion> doko: they'll only disappear if somebody actually removes them, which I doubt anyone will :)
[06:35] <Kamion> doko: more likely they'll quietly sit around being not-built-from-source
[06:36] <pitti> Kamion: already happened, they are in the archive
[06:36] <doko> Kamion: even better :)
[06:38] <lunitik> Can someone please add an op to #ubuntu that is a little more even tempered than Seveas, else I will not be able to take part in that channel
[06:38] <lunitik> Thank you in advance
[06:38] <mdke> lunitik, there are many ops
[06:38] <theine> Is there a way to change the timer interrupt rate without recompiling the kernel?
[06:39] <lunitik> mdke, no others that are around as much as him or me...
[06:39] <Kamion> pitti: ok, I'll rerun cron.sync in a moment and check
[06:39] <pitti> thanks
[06:39] <Kamion> (once cron.daily's finished)
[06:40] <lunitik> He abuses the priviledge he has been given... I help just as much, but he bans me because I dislike his rudeness directed at me
[06:40] <mdke> lunitik, if you have a problem with an op, best thing is to try and resolve it privately, or else talk about it at the next community council meeting
[06:40] <daniels> lunitik: this is massively off-topic for #ubuntu-devel. please don't drag it in here.
[06:40] <mdke> not here though
[06:40] <pitti> Kamion: tomorrow I'll check your britney output again and fix the remaining problems
[06:41] <lunitik> daniels, is there somewhere better to talk to higher ups in the Ubuntu community? there are people in the channel that will agree with me, he is abusing is privelidge
[06:41] <mdke> lunitik, as I said, the Comunity Council, but not here
[06:41] <Seveas> lunitik, as he said: use the CC meeting
[06:41] <zul> lunitik: bring it up at the cc meeting
[06:41] <lunitik> When is the next one?
[06:41] <mdke> lunitik, search the wiki
[06:42] <Kamion> 2005/08/16 IIRC
[06:42] <daniels> lunitik: you need to provide full, unedited logs of anything you consider particularly offensive.
[06:43] <lunitik> daniels, others stating he was wrong enough?
[06:43] <daniels> lunitik: no.
[06:43] <lunitik> I'm not saying I'm not at fault... I'm saying he deals with things incorrectly...
[06:44] <lunitik> Someone needs to provide a different perspective... or he needs to lose his op status...
[06:44] <daniels> lunitik: as I said, if you provide full, unedited logs, then it can be dealt with appropriately by the CC, but not here.
[06:44] <lunitik> Also... all I see is that CC meets every 2 weeks... anything more specific?
[06:44] <daniels> 17:41 < lunitik> When is the next one?
[06:44] <daniels> 17:41 < mdke> lunitik, search the wiki
[06:44] <daniels> 17:42 < Kamion> 2005/08/16 IIRC
[06:44] <lunitik> Kamion, thank you
[06:45] <mdke> the wiki page will confirm the next date
[06:46] <Kamion> just for avoidance of doubt, #ubuntu-devel is NOT an escalation channel for issues in #ubuntu; it's a development channel
[06:49] <jk> perhaps it should be called #ubuntu-no-not-here :)
[06:49] <lunitik> Sorry for distracting everyone...
[06:50] <pitti> mvo: here? can you please chmod 775 your seeds--breezy revision lock so that I can commit?
[06:51] <mvo> pitti: args, doing this now. I swear I set my umask to 002
[06:53] <Kamion> mvo: you have 'umask 002' at the bottom of .bashrc, but right up at the top you have '[ -z "$PS1" ] && return' so that the umask doesn't get set in the case of noninteractive shells
[06:53] <Kamion> move umask above that and it should be fine
[06:54] <Kamion> pitti: promoted
[06:54] <mvo> pitti: fixed
[06:55] <mvo> Kamion: right, thanks. fixed now
[06:55] <Kamion> mdz: I assume all these language-pack-{gnome-kde}-* packages are ok to promote?
[06:57] <mdz> Kamion: yes
[06:57] <mdz> same content, different packaging
[06:59] <Kamion> score, I crashed teri
[06:59] <Kamion> oh, never mind, I just got -s and -c the wrong way round
[07:01] <bddebian> Can I ask (without getting my head chopped off), why none of the new MOTU's have upload rights yet? Is it just that the person responsible is too overwhelmed?
[07:01] <mbreit> bddebian: elmo has a lot of work to do..
[07:02] <mbreit> bddebian: but since \sh told him today about their keys, i think it will no take too long
[07:05] <bddebian> mbreit: Well it doesn't matter anyway 'cause I get ignored in here as well as I used to in #d-d :-)
[07:21] <Kamion> ah, good, http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/testing/breezy_probs.html is looking a bit healthier now
[07:22] <seb128> I get a "arch_commit: unable to acquire revision lock (internal error in archive-pfs.c(pfs_lock_revision))" when trying to change the desktop seed ... any idea on what could be wrong?
[07:23] <mvo> Kamion, seb128: could this be releated to my wrong umask in the commit before? (I changed my revision lock to 775 though)
[07:25] <Kamion> mvo: hmm, the revision lock is missing altogether
[07:25] <Kamion> drwxrwxr-x 3 mvo warthogs 4096 Aug 8 17:28 [email protected]
[07:25] <Kamion> ... but in the wrong directory ...
[07:26] <mvo> strange ...
[07:26] <Kamion> seb128: try again now
[07:26] <Kamion> (I did mkdir -p patch-90/++revision-lock/+contents)
[07:27] <seb128> Kamion: works fine now, thanks
[07:32] <Kamion> seb128: are you in the process of fixing evolution-exchange/evolution-webcal to use new libsoup, or should I look at it? that's the last pair of ubuntu-desktop installability blockers
[07:33] <Kamion> pitti: britney output's much better now, thanks
[07:33] <seb128> Kamion: I'm waiting for today's new version of those to not do 2 uploads ...
[07:33] <Kamion> there's still fallout from various uninstallable aspell-* and mozilla-firefox-locale-*
[07:33] <pitti> mvo: I got disconnected...
[07:33] <pitti> Aug 08 18:50:59 <pitti> mvo: here? can you please chmod 775 your seeds--breezy revision lock so that I can commit?
[07:33] <pitti> Aug 08 18:51:31 <pitti> mvo: (and please consider setting umask 002 on chinstrap)
[07:33] <Kamion> seb128: ok
[07:33] <Kamion> pitti: it's sorted now
[07:33] <seb128> if there is some hurry I can push rebuilds now though
[07:33] <Kamion> later's fine
[07:34] <seb128> cool
[07:34] <pitti> Kamion: yay
[07:41] <yann__> Hi... I thing gnome-panel-screenshot is broken
[07:41] <yann__> it crashs every time with the --window argument
[07:42] <yann__> (hoary)
[07:42] <rburton> works for me on hoary
[07:43] <yann__> gnome-panel-screenshot --window --delay=3
[07:43] <yann__> that command crashes by me :/
[07:44] <yann__> The Application "gnome-panel-screenshot" has quit unexpectedly. [...]
[07:44] <yann__> i'm using openbox instead of metacity...
[07:44] <rburton> yann__: get a stack trace with gdb
[07:45] <{Seb}> is the cursor bug known (the cursor is not human but the awful standard X ones) and if so, fixed or not?
[07:45] <Treenaks> {Seb}: there is a bug know, daniels mailed a fix to ubuntu-devel last week
[07:45] <Treenaks> but that fix doesn't work for me :(
[07:45] <yann__> rburton > yeah, eh, hum, i'm just a standard user ;)
[07:45] <Kamion> elmo: please sync libcaca-dev from unstable (slang2 transition)
[07:45] <Kamion> elmo: (er, I mean libcaca obviously)
[07:46] <yann__> i'll send it with bug buddy ^^
[07:46] <yann__> http://pastebin.com/332145
[07:46] <elmo> Kamion: nothing to sync?
[07:49] <Kamion> elmo: oh, it was done earlier today evidently
[07:49] <Kamion> or not
[07:50] <Kamion> ah, failed to build
[07:50] <yann__> so, bug reported, thks bug buddy?
[07:50] <yann__> -?+.
[07:51] <WaterSevenUb> seb128: this bug 7370 was about menu entries translations... where should I file bugs on the translation of menu entries now?
[07:52] <seb128> WaterSevenUb: use rosetta
[07:53] <seb128> ie: contact the rosetta team for your language
[07:53] <seb128> or be a part of the team and fix the errors yourself
[07:53] <seb128> bbl
[07:56] <WaterSevenUb> seb128: I'm actually part of the team :) I don't understand very well who should I contact or what should I do to change the PO files themselves to include desktop menu entries strings...
[08:04] <shackan> I downloaded a source package and want to configure it with --enable-debug, debian/rules does not have any configure section, where can I put my config parameters ?
[08:15] <Kamion> shackan: wherever it runs configure
[08:16] <Kamion> a configure target in debian/rules is not mandatory
[08:20] <Mithrandir> *grumble*
[08:21] <shackan> Kamion, so where does it take the options to give to configure ?
[08:23] <Kamion> shackan: that totally and utterly depends on the package
[08:23] <shackan> sh*t
[08:23] <Kamion> come on, debian/rules files are usually not hard to read
[08:23] <Mithrandir> is /dev/input/mice gone for anybody except me?
[08:23] <shackan> they seem standard makefiles...
[08:24] <Kamion> indeed
[08:24] <Kamion> with some prescribed targets
[08:24] <Kamion> the Debian Policy Manual has the details
[08:24] <shackan> but this one is just five lines, and no configure options nowhere
[08:25] <elmo> haha
[08:25] <elmo> WELCOME TO CDBS
[08:25] <Kamion> welcome to cdbs
[08:25] <Kamion> it's "easy"
[08:25] <Kamion> (allegedly)
[08:25] <elmo> kamion: I think you misspelt retarded as easy, HTH
[08:25] <zyga> mvo: hi
[08:25] <mvo> hi zyga
[08:25] <shackan> mh, ok, I'm just making a fool of myself
[08:25] <elmo> shackan: no, you're not, we're just bitter about cdbs
[08:25] <Kamion> there's not exactly a lot of cdbs documentation, so you're likely to have to go read the included makefiles
[08:26] <shackan> oh my..
[08:26] <Kamion> https://wiki.duckcorp.org/DebianPackagingTutorial/CDBS
[08:26] <Kamion> may help
[08:26] <zyga> mvo: did you have time to check my tiny patch?
[08:27] <shackan> I Just thought "ok, let's rebuild this thingie with --enable-debug and see what's wrong here", it shouldn't take more than two minutes! man, I was wrong.. :D
[08:27] <shackan> thanks a lot
[08:27] <Kamion> in return you can promise never to create any new packages with cdbs. :)
[08:27] <mvo> zyga: not yet, hopefully later
[08:27] <Mithrandir> shackan: what package in question is this?
[08:27] <shackan> I promise :)
[08:27] <zyga> mvo: okay, thanks
[08:28] <shackan> Mithrandir, I need debug output in bluez-libs
[08:29] <Mithrandir> shackan: set DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS in debian/rules and you should be fine
[08:31] <shackan> hooray!
[08:31] <seb128> WaterSevenUb: the .pot file should get the desktop entries or that's a bug with the package
[08:31] <shackan> Mithrandir, thank you!
[08:32] <Mithrandir> shackan: np
[08:32] <jordi> pitti_: ping
[08:32] <shackan> CDBS automatically handle common flags to pass to the configure script, but it is possible to give some extra parameters :
[08:32] <shackan> DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS := --with-ipv6 --with-foo
[08:32] <pitti_> Hi jordi
[08:32] <shackan> cool, it says it here, too
[08:33] <jordi> pitti_: I wonder if you haev some minutes to have a look at a security question I have for mailutils
[08:33] <WaterSevenUb> seb128: assuming it's a bug, where do I file it?:)
[08:33] <jordi> pitti_: /usr/bin/apt-get: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[08:33] <jordi> pitti: oops, wrong paste
[08:33] <pitti> that looks serious :-)
[08:34] <jordi> pitti: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-mailutils/branches/sarge/debian/patches/?rev=0&sc=0 and #312245
[08:34] <seb128> WaterSevenUb: bugzilla
[08:34] <WaterSevenUb> seb128: specifically where under bugzilla?
[08:34] <seb128> WaterSevenUb: do you have a package example?
[08:34] <seb128> the source package for the package with the bug ...
[08:34] <jordi> pitti: that Debian bug says imap4d broke, and has a patch that seems reasonable to me according to the RFC
[08:34] <seb128> pitti: are we going to have .desktop files translation with language-packs for 5.10?
[08:35] <pitti> seb128: no, that's still future :-/
[08:35] <jordi> The security patch in svn (04_IDEF*) adds that hunk, but I don't know if removing that else clause reintroduces a security bug.
[08:35] <jordi> pitti: I wondered if you could eyeball
[08:35] <WaterSevenUb> seb128: for example, gnome-app-install... but the maintainer said it is going to be included in a new upload (which makes me confuse again... will the new upload overwrite the translation in Rosetta?)
[08:36] <WaterSevenUb> pitti: but the desktop files translation are not included in the templates of the applications?
[08:36] <seb128> WaterSevenUb: you want to speak to carlos when he's here, they are loading the po files this week, not sure of what is done or to do
[08:36] <seb128> pitti: they are, intltool put that to the .pot file
[08:36] <seb128> ups
[08:36] <seb128> s/pitti/WaterSevenUb
[08:36] <jordi> WaterSevenUb: the desktop file translation *should* be included in the po file.
[08:37] <WaterSevenUb> seb128: thanks! and thanks once again for gnome-media as a hoary-update candidate:)
[08:37] <jordi> WaterSevenUb: unless the app sucks and doesn't support intltool.
[08:37] <pitti> jordi: bah, the huge configure patch is really necessary in 04_*?
[08:37] <seb128> WaterSevenUb: np!
[08:37] <jordi> pitti: no, I cleaned that up
[08:38] <WaterSevenUb> pitti: so... If the desktop menu entry strings are included in the PO files, and if they are not going to be in language-packs for 5.10, does that mean that the templates in Rosetta are not going to be used in 5.10? :) I'm probably mixing things...
[08:40] <pitti> WaterSevenUb: they will appear in rosetta, and we can use them to upload new package versions with improved translatio
[08:40] <pitti> ns
[08:40] <pitti> WaterSevenUb: but our langpacks don't ship updated .desktop files
[08:40] <seb128> WaterSevenUb: the .pot/.po have the text/translation, but for the .desktop files the translation doesn't come from the .po but from the .desktop itself
[08:40] <seb128> Name[<locale] =....
[08:40] <pitti> WaterSevenUb: carlos made an upstream proposal to allow using gettext for desktop files
[08:41] <pitti> WaterSevenUb: if this is accepted, it will become much easier
[08:42] <pitti> jordi: hm, hard to tell by just looking at the patch, but since it reverses a sanity check introduced by a security patch, I'm sceptical
[08:42] <pitti> jordi: a lot of mailers assign bogus/random UIDs though
[08:42] <pitti> jordi: but I'd rather defer to upstream, is the patch known to them?
[08:43] <jordi> they seem on VAC
[08:44] <WaterSevenUb> pitti: so, If I understood correctly, while that proposal is not implemented.... whom to contact concerning the .desktop files?
[08:45] <WaterSevenUb> pitti: I mean... translated .desktop files?
[08:45] <pitti> WaterSevenUb: we already spec'ed out a solution#
[08:45] <pitti> but didn't implement it yet
[08:46] <pitti> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/LanguagePackRoadmap
[08:49] <seb128> WaterSevenUb: as said before rosetta has the translation
[08:49] <seb128> WaterSevenUb: use rosetta for it. We will probably update manually the .desktop from rosetta before 5.10
[08:50] <WaterSevenUb> ok:) thanks guys. have a nice evening!
[08:51] <seb128> np, you too
[08:51] <jordi> pitti: accordin to the rfc, that failure is wrong though.
[08:52] <pitti> jordi: e. g. offlineimap assigns really crazy UIDs which probably don't stand many tests either :-/
[08:53] <pitti> brb
[08:57] <jordi> pitti: with that you mean the patch couuld be right?
[08:59] <pitti> jordi: I mean that reverting it could be right
[09:00] <jordi> pitti: hrm. I have this package ready which should be a debian stable target.
[09:00] <jordi> I'll triplecheck with Joey
[09:00] <jordi> pitti: thanks
[09:01] <rubenv> infinity: I heard you have the network-manager packages under your control, do you see them getting ready in time for breezy, and if not, is there something I can do to help out?
[09:34] <doko> lamont: any news about the openoffice.org build failure on i386?
[09:36] <sivang> is this knows?
[09:36] <sivang> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:36] <sivang> apt-file: Depends: libapt-pkg-perl but it is not going to be installed
[09:36] <sivang> E: Broken packages
[09:37] <sivang> s/knows/known/
[09:42] <doko> elmo: please sync gcc-defaults from unstable
[09:45] <mvo> sivang: it needs a rebuild
[09:49] <sivang> mvo: ah I see, btw, do you happen to know what autopoint is and/or what package provides it? (my apt-file is broken :-) )
[10:00] <BenC> any of the ia64 porters around?
[10:01] <BenC> probably not an ia64 specific question, but I need to know where the gdm gets its information from about what X11 driver to load for the video card
[10:01] <BenC> there is no XF86-Config like I was expecting
[10:01] <jdub> yo BenC
[10:01] <BenC> hey
[10:02] <jdub> you want xorg.conf?
[10:02] <mvo> BenC: is there no /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[10:02] <Mithrandir> BenC: /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[10:02] <BenC> ah, ok, thanks
[10:02] <BenC> well, it is loading nv
[10:02] <BenC> but the video seems to lock up when X starts
[10:03] <BenC> black screen
[10:03] <BenC> debian X works fine with it
[10:03] <Mithrandir> with the nv driver?
[10:03] <Clint> ARGH!
[10:03] <BenC> yeah
[10:03] <BenC> maybe I should disable drm/gl stuff
[10:11] <seb128> mdz: thanks for the libsoup uploads but I was working on this uploads with the new versions as said here 2-3 hours ago ...
[10:11] <mdz> seb128: I'm trying to get an installable live CD, and those were the only two packages blocking it
[10:11] <seb128> k, I ask Kamion if there was sure hurry and there wasn't ... no problem :)
[10:11] <mdz> seb128: if you could wait for my version to be built before uploading, that would be good :-)
[10:12] <seb128> k, will do
[10:12] <seb128> s/ask/asked/
[10:12] <seb128> s/sure/some/
[10:12] <seb128> grumpf, I lack some sleep :p
[10:13] <seb128> hum, and jbailey broke gconf too with his changes ...
[10:13] <BenC> well, disabling dri/gl didn't help either
[10:13] <seb128> if somebody has some gconf issues, change the /usr/share/gconf folders so they can be read by your user
[10:15] <jdub> heh, this Armin Ronacher dude isn't having a good time on u-d
[10:15] <seb128> hey jdub
[10:15] <jdub> yo seb128
[10:17] <seb128> jdub: now than gtk-engines and gnome-themes ship clearlooks what do we do ... keep maintaining clearlooks package and update those 2 to not ship the files or other way?
[10:17] <jdub> they both ship the metatheme?
[10:18] <seb128> hum, lemme lock
[10:19] <seb128> jdub: right, gnome-themes has a ./desktop-themes/Clearlooks/index.theme
[10:23] <jdub> seb128: ... perhaps we should get this fixed upstream :-)
[10:24] <seb128> jdub: hum, get what? Both the clearlooks package and the gnome-themes one ship the .theme. gtk2-engines doesn't
[10:24] <seb128> (I guess we were not speaking about the same "both")
[10:25] <jdub> oh right
[10:25] <jdub> hrmph
[10:26] <jdub> i think removing it from clearlooks would be closest to the norm
[10:26] <jdub> and it doesn't really matter for engine-only users that the metatheme isn't there
[10:26] <jdub> (thinking about xfce or non-gnome usres)
[10:27] <seb128> k, so we drop the clearlooks package and ship clearlooks from gtk-engines and gnome-themes?
[10:28] <jdub> hrm, was only suggesting dropping the metatheme from clearlooks
[10:28] <jdub> i think it makes sense to ship clearlooks (rather than gtk-engines) if the most useful stuff is happening there
[10:28] <seb128> yeah, but do we have an interest to keep 2 clearlooks conflicting?
[10:29] <jdub> well, if the clearlooks maintainers are going to keep doing clearlooks separately, and there's good reason to stick with it (staying on the edge), then yeah
[10:33] <BenC> how come there is a Contents-ia64 for breezy but no binary-ia64 directories?
[10:33] <seb128> jdub:
Remenic: where is the upstream source for clearlook now? Do you keep working on it on sf, or do you hack on gtk-engines/gnome-themes?
seb128: gtk-engines
I should mention that on the clearlooks page sometime
[10:34] <windex> i have a souce package with a debian directory, how do i make a .deb file?
[10:34] <elmo> BenC: ports.ubuntu.com
[10:35] <windex> i always forget. :/
[10:35] <BenC> ah, thanks elmo
[10:36] <seb128> jdub: here we go, just dropping clearlooks :)
[10:37] <BenC> breezy is the latest devel, correct?
[10:37] <seb128> yep
[10:40] <windex> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[10:40] <lamont__> BenC: you'll also find that the latest breezy (2.6.12) kernel has ACPI problems on ia64 if you try it...
[10:42] <BenC> mainly just want to try the latest nv X driver
[10:43] <BenC> 2.6.13-rc was working ok before on my i2k, just fyi
[10:43] <BenC> wow, how do I set the fb font to something a little bigger?
[10:46] <lamont__> BenC: cool. it's either something in the config options enabled, or in the latest acpi patch - I got defconfig to boot with -4.4, but my build env might be suspect there...
[10:46] <lamont__> this is booting on a zx2000, fwiw
[10:47] <lamont__> BenC: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/daily/hoary/20050712.1/hoary-install-ia64.iso is a nearly-functional install iso
[10:48] <lamont__> (when it screaches to a halt at elilo installer, get a shell, edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/elilo-installer.postinst, and switch the args on the db_fget call to make 'seen' second. back to the menu and continue
[10:48] <lamont__> (that's fixed in breezy, but is part of the reason that there isn't a hoary/ia64 release
[10:52] <BenC> yeah, I got the install done from that page
[10:52] <BenC> just this X thing is really slowing me down
[10:52] <BenC> upgrading to breezy now
[10:53] <mdz> BenC: you do have a desktop system based on an officially supported Ubuntu architecture, right?
[10:53] <BenC> yes, I have an i386 system aswell
[10:53] <BenC> that one is installed, and I am getting some things setup on it
[10:54] <BenC> waiting till later to setup the sparc and ppc32 systems
[10:55] <BenC> like in a few weeks :)
[10:56] <mdz> ;-)
[10:58] <lamont__> BenC: no hppa? :-)
[11:00] <luis_> mdz: I hate to be a nag or anything, but do you guys have some kind of timetable for the daily livecds to be back up for x86?
[11:01] <seb128> luis_:
seb128: I'm trying to get an installable live CD, and those were the only two packages blocking it
[11:01] <seb128> luis_: that was ~1h ago
[11:02] <luis_> ah, cool
[11:03] <jdub> seb128: tops, much saner (sort of) ;-)
[11:03] <luis_> seb128: thanks
[11:05] <seb128> np
[11:10] <mdz> with luck, there will be live CDs within the next couple of hours
[11:11] <luis_> mdz: very cool, thanks
[11:17] <mako> luis_: nag ;)
[11:19] <luis_> mako: =P
[11:19] <luis_> mako: no futon for you!
[11:19] <lamont__> mdz: installable livecd? meaning buildable, or that one can install from it?
[11:22] <mdz> lamont__: meaning buildable
[11:22] <mdz> it's in the compression phase now, so it looks good
[11:22] <lamont__> woot
[11:23] <mdz> it's done
[11:24] <lamont__> so now you just need to wrap the CD around the rootfs and publish, yes?
[11:24] <mdz> doing that now
[11:26] <mdz> seb128: go ahead with those uploads whenever you are ready; it worked
[11:28] <Surak> where can we get it?
[11:28] <seb128> mdz: k, thanks
[11:31] <mdz> Kamion: do you know why debootstrap is claiming that W: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2 was corrupt
[11:31] <mdz> ?
[11:31] <mdz> (and similarly for i386 and powerpc)
[11:33] <mdz> weird, now it likes amd64+i386 but not powerpc
[11:34] <Kamion> mdz: never seen that
[11:34] <mdz> Kamion: try an update of ubuntu-meta right now, would you?
[11:34] <mdz> maybe it's just me
[11:34] <Kamion> Surak: it'll be in the usual place (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/) when ready
[11:34] <Kamion> mdz: yes, I see the same thing
[11:34] <mdz> Kamion: powerpc failed, but otherwise seemed to go OK
[11:34] <Kamion> looks like a mirroring glitch
[11:35] <mdz> (the live CD build)
[11:37] <mdz> no idea if it works yet, of course, but there seem to be eager testers ;-)
[11:40] <jdub> mdz: you didn't have any comments re: lsb?
[11:44] <Kamion> lamont__,infinity: libcaca_0.9-5ubuntu1_i386 is another broken buildd chroot; can that be cleaned up?
[11:44] <lamont__> gah
[11:45] <lamont__> hrm.. .thundermug doesn't like 64-bit architectures
[11:46] <pitti> gosh, is it just me, or did ffox recently start to crash all over the place?
[11:46] <tseng> pitti: it did, but it was fixed
[11:46] <tseng> mine was a libcairo thing
[11:47] <pitti> tseng: well, I recently switched from i386 to amd64
[11:47] <mdz> jdub: context?
[11:47] <lamont__> Kamion: given back
[11:48] <Kamion> thanks
[11:48] <Kamion> mdz: ubuntu-meta update's working for me now, I'll upload
[11:48] <mdz> Kamion: I uploaded one already
[11:48] <Kamion> oh, ok
[11:49] <mdz> powerpc live build failed due to:
[11:49] <mdz> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[11:49] <mdz> linux-power3: Depends: linux-powerpc64-smp but it is not going to be installed linux-power4: Depends: linux-powerpc64-smp but it is not going to be installed
[11:50] <Kamion> that's due to l-r-m
[11:51] <Kamion> there's no l-r-m for powerpc64-smp, and there needs to be (none necessary for powerpc64)
[11:51] <Kamion> either that or it should be taken back out of linux-meta
[11:51] <BenC> lamont__: any idea why my i2k would all of the sudden have floating point driver load failure during EFI boot?
[11:53] <mdz> Kamion: from what I can tell, it should just be a matter of adding it to the control file
[11:53] <mdz> I'll see if my powerpc is up for a test build
[11:54] <shackan> hi pitti
[11:54] <Riddell> mdz, Kamion: there's some new versions of packages I'd like to upload, what's the process?
[11:55] <lamont__> BenC: ew.
[11:55] <pitti> Hi shackan
[11:55] <BenC> could that be the cause of my X failing?
[11:55] <lamont__> I suppose it could
[11:55] <mdz> Riddell: new upstream versions?
[11:56] <shackan> pitti, how u doin' ?
[11:56] <BenC> it didn't start until I did the ubuntu install :)
[11:56] <pitti> shackan: tired, but fine. I'll go to sleep soon
[11:56] <mdz> Kamion: why isn't powerpc64 necessary?
[11:56] <Riddell> mdz: yes
[11:56] <BenC> I've been seeing "floating-point assist fault" messages from some programs
[11:56] <mdz> oh, we don't build a UP powerpc64 kernel
[11:56] <mdz> Riddell: the process is to ask me
[11:57] <Kamion> mdz: ... right
[11:57] <mdz> Riddell: email with a rationale is best
[11:57] <shackan> pitti, geek never go to sleep befor dawn :D
[11:57] <BenC> well, time to reboot and see how things go
[11:57] <shackan> *before
[11:57] <shackan> *geeks
[11:57] <shackan> damn, seems I'm tired as well
[11:57] <Kamion> BenC: you're one of the few people testing Ubuntu ia64, I think ...
[11:58] <lamont__> Kamion: very true. I think the rest of us sit within 100 feet of my desk
[11:58] <lamont__> well, there are probably a few others..
[11:58] <elmo> and the 4 in the DC :P
[11:58] <mdz> will any of the l-r-m stuff actually work on powerpc64-smp?
[11:59] <mpt> Who's in charge of laptop support?
[11:59] <mdz> BenC: ia64 isn't really first-class yet; it would be a better idea to use one of i386/amd64/powerpc to get up and running
[11:59] <mdz> mpt: mjg59
[11:59] <mpt> mdz: ta
[11:59] <mdz> (as it says on the website)
[12:00] <pitti> ok, good night everybody!
[12:01] <Kamion> mdz: well, you're only building ath_hal with the volatile infrastructure on powerpc
[12:01] <Kamion> madwifi and the firmware bits are probably useful
[12:01] <mdz> Kamion: I've uploaded linux-meta to get things going
[12:02] <mpt> mdz: actually the relevant wiki pages are remarkably free of contact info
[12:02] <mdz> if stuff builds for me, I'll enable it
[12:02] <mdz> mpt: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/teams/
[12:02] <mdz> 2 clicks from the front page
[12:02] <mpt> oh, you mean Ubuntu has a site other than the wiki? *ducks*
[12:04] <mpt> mjg59: Is it possible/desired for people other than those who got Canonical laptops to join the laptop testing team? Now that those laptops have bene distributed, perhaps the LaptopTestingTeam wiki page could be updated to make that clear
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[07:08] <lifeless> bob2: I'm on leave.
[07:08] <bob2> lifeless: oh, have fun :-)
[07:08] <bob2> and say hi to lynne.
[07:10] <lifeless> roger wilco
[12:40] <Kinnison> Anyone using dogfood? I want to upgrade it
[12:46] <Kinnison> Okay, upgrading...
[01:32] <Kinnison> Upgrade completed, dogfood back
[03:54] <mpt> Hey morgs, did you get lots of hacking and caregiving done while the rest of us were sunning ourselves in Brazil?
[03:56] <morgs> mpt: I got blocked and lonely... bring the wiki back!
[03:56] <mpt> Wiki's coming back today
[03:56] <mpt> if elmo has time to do it
[03:56] <mpt> and/or kiko
[03:59] <morgs> hacking and caregiving are not very compatible... but /me is getting more productive again...
[03:59] <morgs> Get some new specs done in between mosquitos and sunburn?
[04:00] <mpt> oh! actually, I think http://lpwiki.async.com.br/ is accessible from outside Async now
[04:00] <mpt> at least, until the wiki is transferred back
[04:00] <mpt> so if you want to do any wikiing before then, you can
[04:01] <mpt> So yeah, http://lpwiki.async.com.br/RecentChanges
[04:01] <morgs> Hmm, maybe accessible from specific places outside async that do not include Cape Town though...
[04:02] <morgs> "The hostname was not found during the DNS lookup."
[04:07] <mpt> morgs: Well, in the meantime, there are 9 bugs assigned to you :-)
[04:07] <SteveA> hi
[04:08] <SteveA> morgs: i know exactly how to fix that error you were getting with rdf stuff
[04:08] <mpt> hi SteveA, https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1244 is an example of docstrings not being suitable for help
[04:10] <SteveA> mpt: right. which is kinda what docstrings are for, for a python programmer
[04:10] <mpt> yes
[04:10] <SteveA> i'll need to think about how to fix this for us
[04:10] <SteveA> one way would be to make a new schema, that extends the old one
[04:10] <SteveA> with corrected "presentation type" docstrings
[04:10] <mpt> A schema for auto-generated forms?
[04:11] <SteveA> another way would be to see this as a problem that should be fixed upstream
[04:11] <SteveA> by having different programmer_description and user_description fields
[04:11] <SteveA> (with better names, i should think)
[04:11] <SteveA> mpt: yes
[04:11] <SteveA> we're going to be moving all the schemas that are used only for autogenerated forms into browser/
[04:12] <mpt> I was sure I'd started writing a spec on how auto-generated forms should be presented, but I can't find it
[04:12] <SteveA> so, the simplest solution, at least for now, is to do that, and to extend "programmer schemas" with ones in launchpad/browser when we need to
[04:13] <morgs> SteveA, hi, great!
[04:13] <SteveA> morgs: here is what you need to do:
[04:14] <SteveA> 1. change how you wrote the page to include a ViewPageTemplateFile as an attribute of the class, rather than saying 'template="..."' in the zcml
[04:14] <SteveA> 2. make your zcml say that the page is rendered by calling your view class, using 'attribute="__call__"'
[04:16] <SteveA> 3. in your view class' '__call__' method, set the various http headers you need to, say 'unicodedata = self.template()' and then say 'encodeddata = unicodedata.encode('utf-8')' and then 'return encodeddata'
[04:16] <SteveA> of course, you can make it more succinct than that
[04:16] <morgs> SteveA, this would be in my ProductRdfView class, right
[04:17] <SteveA> morgs: um, whereever you are currently setting the content type stuff
[04:17] <SteveA> i'm at an airport -- not very convenient to look it up just now
[04:18] <morgs> Right, yes. ATM I'm setting it in __init__ of that class, so I'll put it in __call__ instead...
[04:18] <SteveA> ye
[04:18] <SteveA> yes
[04:18] <morgs> Great, I'll give this a shot.
[04:39] <morgs> SteveA, AttributeError: 'ProductRdfView' object has no attribute 'template'
[04:40] <morgs> SteveA, how do I set up self.template before calling it?
[04:40] <mpt> Is staging down?
[04:41] <SteveA> morgs: put your template in the class under the name 'template'
[04:42] <SteveA> template = ViewPageTemplateFile('../templates/whatever.pt')
[04:44] <morgs> duh, right
[04:45] <morgs> SteveA, thanks, that fixes it.
[04:45] <SteveA> great
[04:48] <SteveA> jamesh: ping
[05:34] <elmo> ddaa/jblack?
[05:34] <ddaa> elmo: elmo?
[05:35] <elmo> ddaa: if we had to relocate arch.u.c to a new machine before lifeless came back from holiday,would you be in a position to help with that?
[05:35] <ddaa> Yes, I can handle that.
[05:35] <morgs> elmo: any ETA on wiki.launchpad being back?
[05:36] <elmo> morgs: not until someone gets me a tar ball of the wiki, nope
[05:36] <elmo> ddaa: ok, cool, thanks
[05:36] <ddaa> elmo: some help from stub might be needed though.
[05:37] <ddaa> elmo: note that I took some days off this week.
[05:37] <ddaa> though I will be there for emergencies.
[05:38] <elmo> ok - just out of interest, what happens to stuff if ssh connections were being refused from escudero?
[05:39] <elmo> [I'm not threatening to do that necessarily ;), just exploring migration options]
[05:49] <bradb> morning
[05:52] <bradb> the pilot had to choose between making the airport curfew, or loading the last 20-30 bags. he choose the former.
[05:53] <Kinnison> oh dear
[06:26] <Kinnison> still no stub :-(
[06:32] <ddaa> elmo: the task fails, it will be retried the next day
[06:33] <ddaa> that's actually the main cause of transient failures at the moment, and I see no way out
[06:33] <ddaa> since we are somehow triggering a bug in ssl muxing...
[06:33] <elmo> ok
[06:44] <bradb> hm, very interesting that i can only recall my social insurance number in english, and my postal code only in french
[06:45] <Kinnison> bradb: s'an occupational hazard of being multilingual
[06:46] <Kinnison> bradb: for a long time I could only remember my two times table in french
[06:46] <bradb> heh
[06:46] <Kinnison> Which made for amusing mumblings under my breath as I worked out the right shifts and adds to do a multiply quickly in assembler
[06:47] <bradb> in other news, i'm very glad that the letter i received from Revenue Qubec saying "You owe us $huge_amount_im_sure_i_already_paid" was only a side-effect of the strike, and that, in fact, i don't really owe them any (more) money
[06:48] <Kinnison> heh
[06:49] <Kinnison> Libr nous les libros!
[06:49] <Kinnison> erm, Librez ?
[06:50] <bradb> librez-nous des libraux
[06:50] <Kinnison> I could have sworn you said 'les' not 'des'
[06:51] <Kinnison> must be your funny blocked-up-nose^W^W^Wqbeqois accent
[06:51] <bradb> hh
[06:51] <Kinnison> hh
[06:55] <bradb> Kinnison: you should try and get ahold of some songs from les cowboys fringants. i'm not sure what kind of stuff you like, but if you can do folkish, you might really like them.
[06:55] <Kinnison> Hey, it'll be fun to try
[06:58] <bradb> la grand-messe is their latest album. les toiles filantes, 8 secondes, plus rien, lettre lvesque, camping ste-germaine, symphonie pour caza...get your torrent on!
[06:59] <Kinnison> Heh
[06:59] <Kinnison> mail me a list
[07:02] <bradb> of good songs, or of torrents? :)
[07:03] <Kinnison> sonds
[07:03] <Kinnison> songs even
[07:04] <Kinnison> if there's a strong torrent of an album I'll take that too
[07:06] <bradb> i bought the cd; not sure where to download them from. as soon as i'm done catching-up with Real Life this afternoon, i'll send you a list of good stuff.
[07:06] <Kinnison> thanks
[08:08] <cprov> anyone who needs to talk with me, please send email or call, bye
[08:46] <JanC> is it possible that malone doesn't know all packages in breezy ?
[08:47] <mpt> JanC: It only knows about Universe packages at the moment
[08:48] <JanC> this is a universe package
[08:48] <JanC> and it doesn't know it (yet?)
[09:05] <mpt> that's odd
[09:06] <mpt> I don't know who would fix that, JanC
[09:06] <mpt> but my first guess would be morgs
[09:08] <JanC> the uploader of the package already knew about the bug & the fixed package will be available soon, so there is no hurry :)
[09:09] <JanC> I found another bug in malone about a package not being available
[09:10] <mpt> ok, so assign your bug to the same person
[09:11] <JanC> it's not assigned :)
[09:12] <mpt> aha
[09:12] <JanC> are packages automaticly added when they are added ?
[09:12] <JanC> added t omalone when they are added to the archive I mean
[09:12] <mpt> I don't know
[09:14] <salgado> JanC, not yet. soon they'll be. although with a small delay
[09:15] <JanC> ah, then I don't have to file a bug on "missing packages" ?
[09:17] <JanC> the package I couldn't find was xfce4-terminal (bug is already fixed now)
[09:17] <JanC> the other bug report about missing packages is: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1413
[09:17] <salgado> JanC, I'm not 100% sure, but I think they're not yet automatically created in launchpad, so it's better to file the bug
[09:18] <JanC> a generic "missing packages" bug or for the specific package ?
[09:19] <salgado> a generic one, in the launchpad product
[09:20] <JanC> not the "malone" product ?
[09:20] <salgado> no, the launchpad one
[09:20] <JanC> okay, will do
[09:39] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] Add milestone icon, bug priority icons, and remote bug icons (patch-2240: [email protected])
[10:17] <philiKON> hi
[10:17] <philiKON> forgive me if i'm blind, but is there a way to send messages to all members of my team?
[10:20] <salgado> philiKON, no, there's no way to do that. although, if launchpad has to send a notification for your team (e.g. a bug was filed in a package maintained by your team), you can have this notification to each of the team's members
[10:20] <philiKON> dang
[10:20] <philiKON> such a functionality would be very useful
[10:20] <salgado> but I guess what you really want is a way for you to send a messate to all members, right?
[10:20] <philiKON> right
[10:20] <philiKON> soemthing like, "finish up translations, release is coming"
[10:22] <ddaa> Sound like something that would fit in the bug tracker.
[10:22] <philiKON> hmm
[10:22] <ddaa> "There might be unfinished translations" milestone="next release"
[10:23] <ddaa> close it when people have acked they've finished the translations
[10:50] <nakeee> Any idea when the rosetta bidi bug is going to be fixed?
[11:01] <bradb> mpt: nice work on the bug icons! where can i see the milestone icon in action? it didn't seem to appear for either /distros/debian or /products/firefox
[11:02] <mpt> bradb: object-portlet-milestones.pt was already expecting it
[11:02] <mpt> If you see anywhere else it should go, let me know
[11:03] <mpt> Milestones were implemented in rather a hurry, so there doesn't appear to be sampledata for them, which made things a bit difficult
[11:03] <bradb> i believe there's sample data for firefox
[11:04] <bradb> mpt: i expected to see it here: http://localhost:8086/distros/debian and here: http://localhost:8086/products/firefox in the milestones portlet
[11:05] <mpt> oo, that's odd
[11:05] <bradb> mpt: also, might you be able to make an icon to be shown in place of an input checkbox, which will mean "this distrorelease is already targetted for the fix"?
[11:06] <mpt> ah, a kludge in launchpad.css
[11:13] <mpt> bradb: <input type="checkbox" disabled="true">
[11:14] <bradb> we planned to use an icon in favour of that
[11:14] <mpt> bradb: For me, http://localhost:8086/distros/debian gives "No milestones defined"
[11:14] <bradb> mpt: you have to add one (as foo bar) to see what it looks like
[11:14] <mpt> bradb: I was going to say "Did you know checkboxes can be disabled", but y'all were discussing more important issues at the time
[11:15] <bradb> yeah, we thought it might be slightly confusing to show a disabled checkbox, as people might wonder why they aren't allowed to uncheck it
[11:15] <bradb> what do you think? is it confusing?
[11:16] <mpt> a checkmark graphic is appropriate for something that wasn't turned on in the first place
[11:16] <mpt> but this thing here (a release target) was already turned on, so a disabled checkbox is entirely appropriate
[11:16] <bradb> ok, i'll go with that instead, thanks
[11:39] <bradb> Kinnison: how often does a package change name between releases? also, how often does it happen that something i used to find in package "foo" is now instead found in package "bar" in a new release?
[11:42] <elmo> bradb: often enough
[11:42] <elmo> to be something you really have to deal with sooner or later; but relative to the number of packages in the distro, it's not a huge percentage
[11:42] <elmo> IANAKIJPOOI
[11:42] <bradb> hm. this would make the bug release targeting/backport UI somewhat more complex.
[11:43] <mpt> bradb: The greatest thing about Malone is that it will mean I no longer have to put up with the text-shadow CSS on bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[11:47] <bradb> Kinnison: a more soyuz-specific question then: will it/is it fairly straightforward to figure out what Hoary package "foo" was called in Warty?
[11:50] <elmo> it should be
[11:50] <elmo> the DB has been designed around that from the beginning, but I haven't seen it's current evolution
[11:50] <elmo> (sorry, I'll stop playing kinnison now)
[11:52] <elmo> AFAICR, the DB has a higher level concept of a package than source or binaries in the archive
[11:52] <elmo> so you can always refer back to that, at least internally
[11:52] <elmo> if that makes sense?
[11:55] <bradb> yeah, i know about the packaging table, but i'm not sure if it would be able to tell me that the binary program "foo" used to be installed with the binary package "blah-utils", but now it's part of the binary package "fnorb-scripts"
[11:56] <bradb> maybe the best backporting/release targeting UI is a simple dropdown of release names and a package name widget (to avoid all this complexity.) thoughts? mpt?
[11:57] <bradb> the package name widget could at least default to the package that the "current" task is targeting (i.e. you can only get to this targeting/backport screen from the bugtask screen anyway, so we can probably figure out a reasonable default package name to put in there.)
[12:09] <Kinnison> bradb: You can't know about specific binary files anyway
[12:11] <bradb> Kinnison: from the soyuz perspective then, is it at least easy to follow he same source package as it changes names between releases?
[12:11] <bradb> s/he/the/
[12:12] <Kinnison> We certainly looked into that
[12:12] <Kinnison> assuming we can find a sane way to cope with source package renames wrt. superseding I'm sure we'll be able to do something sane
[12:12] <Kinnison> The publishing history retains what superseded what
[12:13] <bradb> if i can fairly easily figure that out, the checkbox UI for backporting/targeting can probably make sense, as long as I give the user the option to manually add a task on a completely different package for the release target, if for some reason that's required.
[12:13] <bradb> i.e. you'd get checkboxes like:
[12:13] <bradb> Target Fix to:
[12:13] <bradb> [ ] warty mozilla-firefox
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2005-08-13-#kubuntu
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[12:11] <_jd> how do I get my 3d acceleration working on my apple powerbook G4?
[12:12] <_jd> it has an ATI Radeon Mobility 9600 M10
[12:13] <_admin> Hi
[12:19] <hater2win> how do i install firefox extensions?
[12:19] <hater2win> i cant figure it out
[12:27] <twidget> Whoa! That was some nap!
[12:28] <twidget> ...and talk about your dreaming!
[12:33] <EasterSunshine> tell us all about it!
[12:34] <twidget> Well, I've been asleep for about 6 hours, much too long for your average nap...
[12:35] <twidget> and my dreams were vivid but really strange
[12:36] <twidget> but my guess is that you were being sarcastic when you asked :)
[12:40] <EasterSunshine> no, i wasn't
[12:40] <EasterSunshine> dreams are just really interesting to me
[12:40] <EasterSunshine> doesn't matter who's
[12:41] <twidget> Cool. Maybe I'm getting too used to people in IRC channels being snotty to me
[12:42] <EasterSunshine> snotty ppl don't belong in channels for helpful altruistic ppl like #kubuntu
[12:43] <twidget> All I really remember is that myself and a few others were in a church service watching a documentary on the porno industry
[12:44] <twidget> and something about my waking up to late to walk to my old high school
[12:44] <twidget> makes no sense, really
[12:44] <EasterSunshine> yes dreams tend to be really disjoint and random
[12:47] <nikkia> my laptop's wlan card is on the other side of a router (ipv4 only) from my IPv6 router advertisement daemon, when i plug the card in, i get no IPv6 address allocated, i had come to the conclusion that this was because the router in between the networks was (probably correctly) not routing the RA's between the two effective LANs
[12:47] <twidget> EasterSunshine: you wanna see snotty sometime? Go into ##php and ask a beginner's question!
[12:47] <nikkia> but after about 5-6 hours of being up, the wlan card mysteriously gains a IPv6 address, and routing information
[12:47] <nikkia> its a real puzzle
[12:48] <EasterSunshine> twidget: let me try right now
[12:48] <nikkia> EasterSunshine: may i suggest 'why do i need the <?php .... ?> tags :)
[12:49] <twidget> lol
[12:49] <EasterSunshine> hmm...i'll get banned cause it says rtfm everywhere, i was gonna ask how to add strings together or something
[12:49] <twidget> see what I mean?
[12:49] <nikkia> twidget: its a reasonably good question, when referring to .php files, tbh
[12:51] <twidget> I wonder if I should keep all of my unneccessary cables and cards, such as SATA cables and external USB connectors. My board handles everything I need.
[12:52] <nikkia> never know when they'll come in handy
[12:52] <twidget> I suppose
[12:52] <nikkia> altho sata cables are probably like pata cables - you get them with the motherboard, then again with the HD :)
[12:53] <nikkia> or, worse, you have sata cables, buy a sata drive, then discover it needs a sata power connector :/
[12:59] <nikkia> twidget: to be honest, i always thought there was something wrong with the SATA specification... it seems a bit 'odd' to have a 7 pin data connection, then demand an 11-pin power connection
[01:00] <twidget> yeah
[01:01] <nikkia> i mean, i understand the theory, 3 connections for each voltage rail, just in case the drive needs *that* much power, but still, i think we're in trouble if a drive needs 3.3v at 20A
[01:02] <twidget> Anyone want a free Turtle Beach Riviera sound card?
[01:03] <nikkia> twidget: isn't that one of those aurel3d chipset cards that isn't supported by anything ? :)
[01:03] <twidget> I have an Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe MB, then I bought a sound card to boot!
[01:03] <nikkia> ah, guess not if its new
[01:04] <nikkia> i bought a TB card once, worst mistake evah!
[01:04] <EasterSunshine> giving out free sound cards? how about hdds ;)
[01:04] <twidget> So chunk it?
[01:04] <nikkia> it WAS one of the aurel3d (or however you spell it) cards....
[01:04] <nikkia> it said 'NT5 compatible' on the box, it wasn't
[01:04] <nikkia> by the time 2k was released, they'd gone bankrupt and there weren't any drivers for anything post-98
[01:05] <nikkia> (and it wasn't supported in linux either, for what its worth)
[01:05] <twidget> There's my Zip 250 drive!
[01:05] <nikkia> click click click click BOOM :P
[01:06] <nikkia> actually, you have to respect iomega, noone else has made hardware viruses :)
[01:10] <twidget> So chunk it?
[01:11] <twidget> the sound card, I mean?
[01:11] <twidget> It was only about $30
[01:11] <nikkia> twidget, *shrug*
[01:12] <nikkia> twidget, i thought it was another card, that had an old chipset, if you bought it recently (ie, after 1999) it wouldn't be the card i was thinking of
[01:13] <twidget> Maybe a garage sale or something...
[01:17] <EasterSunshine> whoa computer parts at a garage sale?
[01:17] <EasterSunshine> thats just crazy
[01:19] <twidget> ebay... garage sale... it's all the same thing
[01:20] <twidget> actually, I have so much stuff to sell on ebay, it's not even funny. I just don't want to go to the trouble.
[01:20] <twidget> Anyone want to buy a TiVo PVT100? ;)
[01:21] <twidget> I suppose it'll be Domino's again tonight
[01:27] <hater2win> whats a good linux prog for unrar-ing?
[01:27] <crimsun> unrar-nonfree
[01:27] <hater2win> can i apt-get that?
[01:27] <crimsun> it's in multiverse.
[01:28] <hater2win> thanks
[01:30] <nocloud> hey, do i need any spyware/virus protection for kubuntu?
[01:30] <crimsun> no
[01:30] <nocloud> or is stuff like that not an issue with linux?
[01:30] <nocloud> crimsun: could you explain why?
[01:31] <crimsun> nocloud: it's generally not an issue with Linux.
[01:43] <twidget> crimsun: you know... they used to say that about Mac OS
[01:44] <crimsun> twidget: they've said it with just about every OS.
[01:45] <twidget> So, I suppose if some virus/spyware/worm/trojan writer got a wild hair up his or her ass, we could see the need for such packages.
[02:00] <twidget> GIMP or CinePaint?
[02:00] <c0rrupt_> if there is any developers in here : thanks for your awesome distro
[02:17] <twidget> Any idea why, in xmms, it appears to be playing a CD, but I hear no sound?
[02:24] <bbailey_> Could it be trying to play it in analog mode?
[02:29] <twidget> bbailey_: may I change that?
[02:29] <twidget> a setting somewhere?
[02:30] <twidget> ah!
[02:30] <twidget> input plugin = digital extraction
[02:30] <twidget> that got it
[02:31] <twidget> thanks for prompting the search
[02:36] <flugh> the live dvd is really sweet. won't be long before I'm replacing the office desktop with kubuntu. just gotta get internet access :(
[02:43] <jharrison> what repositories to use for mplayer?
[02:49] <twidget> ERROR: Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the Macromedia Flash Player installer.
[02:50] <twidget> ARRGH!
[02:50] <twidget> Maybe we should organize a protest outside Macromedia's offices
[02:50] <jharrison> dude im sorry but I was going to give my father kubuntu but its just not worth it I dont think
[02:51] <jharrison> debian is the way to go
[02:51] <jharrison> I should have never considered anything else
[02:51] <crimsun> then give him Debian
[02:51] <jharrison> yes I think so
[02:51] <crimsun> Ubuntu isn't the right distro for everyone
[02:51] <twidget> go for it, dude
[02:51] <jharrison> well I thought it would be good but I am not sure now
[02:52] <twidget> Some people like chocolate, some people prefer vanilla. People are different
[02:52] <jharrison> the live cds worked great but the actual install has problems
[02:52] <jharrison> what do you guys do if you want mplayer/kplayer?
[02:52] <twidget> I'm liking xmms
[02:52] <jharrison> you compile them all from source?
[02:53] <twidget> I didn't
[02:53] <jharrison> well there must be some repositories for them they
[02:53] <jharrison> but I fail to find them on the ubuntu/kubuntu site
[02:53] <jharrison> im reading an mplayer howto which tells me what I know already but does not give me a repo
[02:57] <hater2win> how do i uninstall shit?
[02:57] <hater2win> err
[02:57] <hater2win> STUFF
[02:57] <hater2win> i meant STUFF
[02:58] <flugh> got a HOWTO on importing my thunderbird mail to kmail?
[02:58] <flugh> hater2win: apt-get remove <package>
[02:58] <hater2win> what if i self installed something
[02:58] <hater2win> like if i downloaded firefox and installed it to my /opt/firefox dir
[02:59] <flugh> hater2win: or dpkg --purge <package>
[02:59] <flugh> err, rm -rf <offending directory>
[02:59] <flugh> you can do that with firefox. that's where i had it installed, and rm'd it recently
[02:59] <hater2win> doesnt that just remove te dir
[03:00] <flugh> hater2win: well, firefox is nice in that it doesn't leave much lying around. and it's not like there's a windows registry to clean up on removal
[03:01] <hater2win> true
[03:01] <hater2win> so i can just delete the profiles folder
[03:01] <hater2win> and firefox folder
[03:01] <hater2win> and itll be ok?
[03:08] <n17r0> oi
[03:08] <n17r0> is it normal to have this in mtab:
[03:08] <n17r0> this: /dev /.dev unknown rw,bind 0 0
[03:08] <n17r0> ??
[03:09] <web250> in mtab?
[03:09] <n17r0> yep
[03:09] <web250> hmmm...
[03:09] <web250> lemme see
[03:09] <n17r0> kk :P
[03:09] <n17r0> ty
[03:09] <web250> i have it too, just checked...what is mtab btw? i know what fstab is, looks similar
[03:10] <n17r0> mtab shows u which things are mounted
[03:10] <web250> ahh cool...
[03:10] <n17r0> ty for checking :D
[03:11] <web250> no prob
[03:11] <n17r0> do u also have sometimes missing shortcuts in the K-menu ?
[03:12] <web250> like what?
[03:12] <n17r0> my kcontrol shortcut dissapeared :/
[03:12] <web250> did u just install kde 3.4.2?
[03:12] <n17r0> yep
[03:12] <web250> kcontrol disappears with 3.4.2...its easily replaced though
[03:13] <n17r0> ah I see, thats weird also, why do they do such things
[03:13] <web250> click start, right click on the left hand kubuntu bar....edit it, new item, etc... command: kcontrol
[03:13] <n17r0> yeah I added already a new one
[03:13] <n17r0> ty anyway
[03:14] <web250> np
[03:15] <web250> is procmeter3 the best option for displaying stats on desktop....or something else?
[03:16] <n17r0> u need something like Mother board monitor ?
[03:16] <web250> exactly...that will display my stats on the desktop...more like coolmon for windows i guess
[03:17] <n17r0> yeah try "ksensors"
[03:17] <web250> k...anything is easier than using the 'top' command and viewing it in a text console
[03:17] <n17r0> its in universe i think, i installed it with kynaptic
[03:18] <web250> ya i use synaptic...all the repos too...hated kynapti
[03:18] <n17r0> yeah but top is more like a proccess manager
[03:18] <n17r0> yeah i have also synaptic, and that new one from KDE Kpackage
[03:19] <n17r0> KSysGuard is the GUI for "top"
[03:20] <web250> ahhh very good
[03:26] <hater2win> whats a good IRC client for kde?
[03:27] <_chris> Konversation
[03:27] <_chris> the kubuntu default
[03:28] <hater2win> any others?
[03:28] <n17r0> lots of them
[03:28] <web250> xchat
[03:28] <n17r0> try Xchat
[03:28] <n17r0> :P
[03:29] <web250> im using xchat right now
[03:29] <hater2win> will do
[03:30] <n17r0> im using KSirc right now
[03:32] <hater2win> lol
[03:33] <Tribune> hi. i try to get limewire software. try sudo apt-get install limewire but fail
[03:34] <web250> h/o....if synaptic ever loads ill help u out )
[03:35] <web250> ok...limewire doesnt come up in synaptic for me...might not be on the mirrors, it might be on a different repo
[03:35] <Tribune> ok
[03:35] <web250> and ive got all my repos selected
[03:36] <web250> Tribune: http://ubuntuguide.org/#limewire
[03:38] <web250> just be careful, those directions are for the gnome panel...so you might have to manually add it to the kde panel
[03:40] <Tribune> ohhh
[03:42] <twidget> Argh! #mysql is just as bad as ##php
[03:42] <_chris> which is only slightly less annoying than #linux
[03:45] <twidget> I mean, seriously, if you're not willing to help a user, newbie or otherwise, just don't type anything! How simple is that?!
[03:46] <twidget> Noooo, you've got to make some snide comment to show how much more smart you are, and that you're more willing to withhold any assistance than give any.
[03:48] <flugh> twidget: i'd tell you how to fix that, but i'm too smart, and it wouldn't make any sense to you
[03:49] <flugh> ;)
[03:54] <hater2win> how do you move files without it telling you you dont have permission?
[03:54] <flugh> mv -f
[03:54] <flugh> or,have write permissions on the dir you are mv'ing to
[03:55] <hater2win> how to do that?
[03:56] <hater2win> nvm
[03:56] <hater2win> found it
[04:08] <Tribune> ubuntu hv website such as http://ubuntuguid.org how bout kubuntu?
[04:12] <hater2win> any better audio players than amarok?
[04:13] <twidget> flugh: haha, sorry, caught up in a conversation about database normalization
[04:13] <twidget> hater2win: I'm liking xmms
[04:14] <twidget> flugh: that's what started all this, I needed help normalizing a db
[04:14] <twidget> I have a degree in IS, but that was 7+ years ago, and I've slept since then
[04:15] <pax> hater2win: beep-media-player
[04:16] <hater2win> is beep or xmms better?
[04:22] <EasterSunshine> hater2win: depends on your taste. try out both and decide for yourself
[04:25] <rene_> hellko
[04:25] <rene_> How do I install KDE on my desktop
[04:26] <rene_> Hello
[04:30] <seth_k> are you already running Ubuntu?
[04:41] <rene_> yes, I have ubuntu 5.04
[04:42] <rene_> seth_k, I have ubuntu 5.04
[04:42] <seth_k> rene_, sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[04:43] <rene_> ok
[04:46] <hater2win> what do i do with .deb fileS?
[04:47] <hater2win> i have checkinstall
[04:47] <hater2win> if that matters
[04:47] <bbailey_> You can manipulate .debs directly with dpkg: e.g., dpkg -i file.deb (to install)
[04:49] <rene_> Is it always that hard to install software on linux
[04:49] <hater2win> after i do that is there any clean up necesary?
[04:49] <hater2win> dpkg cleanup?
[04:49] <rene_> how Do i make my dvd player to work .. Play DvDs?
[04:50] <bbailey_> dpkg doesn't cache the .deb or anything, so no - once you install (or whatever), you're done, you can remove the .deb if you like
[04:53] <bjv> searching doesnt turn up anything, is there a package name for MS binary codecs?
[04:53] <bjv> i know they are evil, but still.
[04:54] <bbailey> w32codecs - in hoary-extras on backports
[04:55] <twidget> goodnight, all
[05:00] <bjv> man my sources is messy, i could probably combine some of these entries.
[05:06] <_paul> whats up guys?
[05:13] <hater2win> ok
[05:13] <hater2win> i have a theme in a .deb file
[05:13] <Kaiser_sleep1> hi hater2win
[05:13] <hater2win> what do i need to do to install it
[05:13] <hater2win> ooo, sup kaiser
[05:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi mate :)
[05:13] <hater2win> how was your day?
[05:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> just goet up an hour ago :)
[05:14] <hater2win> oh, lol, forgot about that time diff
[05:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> what's happening with your computer?
[05:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[05:14] <hater2win> eh, just trying to figure things out
[05:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: it's 12:44 lunchtime here, so i slept in a bit ;)
[05:14] <hater2win> im tired of this GIANT looking desktop i have
[05:14] <hater2win> lol, a bit?
[05:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh a bit
[05:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> giant looking?
[05:15] <hater2win> well, when i had windows on this comp
[05:16] <hater2win> i had a 1600x1200 resolution
[05:16] <hater2win> all the bars were nice and thing
[05:16] <hater2win> thin*
[05:16] <hater2win> everything looked slick
[05:16] <hater2win> and this 1280x1024 just looks tacky to me
[05:16] <hater2win> lol
[05:16] <hater2win> especially with the giant bars
[05:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[05:16] <hater2win> *shrug*
[05:16] <hater2win> wanted something a little smaller
[05:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> xorg .conf
[05:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[05:16] <hater2win> where is that at?
[05:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> close to where XFree86 was
[05:18] <hater2win> ty much
[05:18] <hater2win> ok so in addition to this
[05:18] <hater2win> if i have a theme downloaded in a .deb file
[05:18] <hater2win> what do i do?
[05:19] <hater2win> i tried
[05:19] <hater2win> dpkg -i file.deb
[05:19] <hater2win> but nothing happened
[05:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure h2w, that's how you install a deb, so i don't know
[05:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> i havent used themes
[05:20] <hater2win> hmm ok
[05:20] <hater2win> so if i wanted to use a 1600x1200 res
[05:21] <hater2win> then would i edit xorg.conf
[05:21] <hater2win> and add
[05:21] <hater2win> 1600x1200
[05:21] <hater2win> to the bottom
[05:21] <hater2win> on the depth of my monitor?
[05:21] <jpowers> hater2win: you probably need to change the settings in kcontrol
[05:21] <jpowers> hater2win: installing it via deb only makes it available, I believe
[05:22] <hater2win> jpowers: i see, well i looked in the themes manager but it isnt there
[05:22] <jpowers> what was it?
[05:22] <jpowers> you might need to look not in themes, but in widgets or window decorations
[05:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> add it here hater2win Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600"
[05:23] <jpowers> generally what people call themes are one of those things.
[05:23] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: on the depth that my monitor has default right?
[05:23] <hater2win> jpowers: thanks let me try that real quick
[05:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes, add it to 16 bit and 24 bit, as your going to use them
[05:32] <hater2win> hmm
[05:32] <hater2win> so i edited xconf
[05:32] <hater2win> but 1600x1200 isnt selecteable in desktop configuration
[05:32] <hater2win> am i missing something?
[05:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: you have to restart X
[05:35] <hater2win> oh...
[05:35] <hater2win> can i do that from term like dcop kicker kicker restart?
[05:35] <hater2win> except for x?
[05:35] <c0rrupt_> hi im trying to use teamspeak
[05:35] <c0rrupt_> but when i try to run it
[05:35] <c0rrupt_> nothing happens
[05:35] <c0rrupt_> any help?
[05:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: log out and back in again
[05:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> should do it
[05:37] <hater2win> oh ok
[05:37] <hater2win> brb then
[05:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> c0rrupt_: have you run it from a terminal?
[05:38] <c0rrupt_> temrinal and kicker
[05:38] <c0rrupt_> terminal*
[05:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> so you ran setup.sh?
[05:38] <c0rrupt_> mhm
[05:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> then i went cd ~/Teamspeak (where i put it) and ./TeamSpeak and it ran
[05:40] <c0rrupt_> me too.. except it didnt run
[05:40] <c0rrupt_> nothing happens
[05:40] <c0rrupt_> woah
[05:40] <c0rrupt_> loaded..
[05:40] <c0rrupt_> after like
[05:40] <c0rrupt_> 5 minutes
[05:40] <c0rrupt_> LOL
[05:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[05:41] <benjamin1254> how do u install flash 7 from the console in kubuntu
[05:42] <benjamin1254> so all browsers can use it
[05:42] <hater2win> aaaahhhhhh
[05:42] <hater2win> much better
[05:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> have fun hater2win :)
[05:43] <hater2win> now i just gotta make all these buttons smaller
[05:43] <hater2win> they still looks huge lol
[05:43] <twidget> What does it mean when it says Not Installed (residual config) in kynaptic?
[05:46] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: brb, gonna get some food
[05:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh. same ;)
[05:47] <twidget> Is there a package similar to DreamWeaver?
[05:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> there are other wysiwyg editors, none like dreamweaver as such
[05:48] <twidget> Quanta? kdevelop?
[05:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> nvu
[05:57] <bjv> ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net?
[05:57] <bjv> bbailey: there is no official backport repo?
[05:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> not yet
[05:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> IIRC they wil be adding one with Breezy
[05:58] <bjv> mm
[05:58] <bjv> alright.
[05:58] <pax> !backports
[05:58] <ubotu> I heard backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[05:58] <lluka> hi
[05:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> OH OK
[05:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry caps
[05:59] <lluka> hey i have 2 sound cards installed in kubuntu and neither work :/
[05:59] <lluka> im sure its somethign really simple
[05:59] <lluka> but i cant figure it out
[05:59] <lluka> :(
[06:00] <bjv> i still dont have my sound support completely ironed out.
[06:00] <bjv> AC97 onboard though.
[06:01] <lluka> well, i dont remmeber how to do alsaconfigs
[06:05] <bjv> if i want to do a dist-upgrade and get the bare minimum of updates which sole repo should i use?
[06:05] <bjv> probably deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[06:06] <bjv> would that miss anything? doesnt seem like it would.
[06:07] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: back
[06:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> bjv: not if you just want to upgrade a basic system
[06:11] <bjv> well, i noticed that hoary main restricted wanted to download 295mib of packs
[06:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> sounds about right
[06:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> you don't need restricted btw
[06:12] <bjv> oh? it was in there already
[06:12] <hater2win> whats in restricted?
[06:13] <bjv> main covers that?
[06:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> main is the "important bits" of the system, what's on the cd in effect
[06:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> restricted is proprietry stuff they cant include on the cd
[06:13] <bjv> ah
[06:13] <hater2win> ah i see
[06:14] <bjv> but if ive installed out of restricted id probably want it there to update stuff
[06:14] <lluka> i think my sound is coming out of the wrong card
[06:14] <lluka> :(
[06:14] <bjv> :P
[06:14] <lluka> does anyone know how to set it to the second (pci) card?
[06:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: everything not in main or restricted
[06:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> ~16 thousand packages IIRC
[06:25] <hater2win> how old are you Kamping_Kaiser
[06:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> 19
[06:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> few months ago
[06:25] <hater2win> nice, me too
[06:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol realy?
[06:25] <hater2win> yeah
[06:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> lmao sweet
[06:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> how long have you been doing Linux then?
[06:26] <hater2win> not very long at all
[06:26] <hater2win> the other day when i came in here
[06:26] <hater2win> is when i dedicated my machine ti linux
[06:26] <hater2win> i had tried ot slackware before, but failed miserably
[06:26] <hater2win> so basically a few days
[06:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) welcome aboard
[06:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> i havent bothered with slack
[06:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have isos somewhere, but fsck it ;0
[06:27] <hater2win> lol
[06:27] <hater2win> how long have you been linux-ing
[06:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> i tried on and off for 2 years ~ but that was just weekend entertainment - install manrape/FC/RH and go 'oh, Linux is to hard' and quit ;)
[06:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> this year is wehn it all happend
[06:28] <kalenedrael> ok, i have an extraordinarily strange problem here
[06:28] <kalenedrael> ls -l lists a file, but bash says it doesn't exist when i try to execute it with ./file
[06:28] <hater2win> kalenedrael: welcome to the club
[06:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> kalenedrael: it's probably not executeable
[06:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> what does ls -l file say?
[06:29] <kalenedrael> ah, but if that were the case, it would say 'permission denied'
[06:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> what's the line it puts out
[06:29] <kalenedrael> ls -l says it's 755
[06:29] <kalenedrael> rwxr-xr-x
[06:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. ok...
[06:30] <kalenedrael> odd, hm
[06:30] <bjv> ive randomly found that ./file wont autocomplete with tab or run
[06:30] <kalenedrael> oh, and another thing
[06:30] <bjv> i usually just use sh file instead
[06:31] <kalenedrael> hmm, now a different problem
[06:31] <kalenedrael> 'cannot execute binary file' after using sh file
[06:32] <bjv> funky.
[06:32] <bjv> something is awry here
[06:34] <c0rrupt_> hello, what is a good irc client?
[06:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> c0rrupt_: what do you need to do? "good" depends what you use it for
[06:35] <kalenedrael> c0rrupt_, i'd suggest xchat, if you use a GUI
[06:35] <bjv> i enjoy fighting with this pos called 'gaim', it all depends.
[06:35] <c0rrupt_> i use gaim for aim
[06:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> i use GAIM, people seem to like koppet or Xchat for similar
[06:35] <c0rrupt_> i hate it for linux
[06:35] <c0rrupt_> im in xchat right now
[06:35] <kalenedrael> you hate xchat?
[06:35] <c0rrupt_> mhm
[06:35] <kalenedrael> what part of it?
[06:35] <c0rrupt_> maybe its because i spent too many years on mirc
[06:36] <hater2win> lol
[06:36] <c0rrupt_> how do you even pm someone
[06:36] <lluka> hey
[06:36] <kalenedrael> /query
[06:36] <lluka> can someone help me with my sound card please?
[06:36] <lluka> i have 2 cards, and its sending audio to the wrong one
[06:37] <benjamin1254> hey is there an ez way to download and use flash plugin an ezier way ... like through apt-get or something of sorts?
[06:37] <kalenedrael> turn machine off, remove the 'wrong' one, start up
[06:37] <lluka> :/ its onboard
[06:37] <lluka> cant remove it
[06:38] <kalenedrael> oh
[06:38] <bjv> benjamin1254: there is a linux installer for flash i belive
[06:39] <c0rrupt_> Yo
[06:39] <c0rrupt_> how do you PM someone using xchat
[06:39] <lluka> i think you can install flash from within konqueror
[06:39] <kalenedrael> c0rrupt_, /query
[06:39] <c0rrupt_> heh
[06:39] <c0rrupt_> nvm
[06:39] <kalenedrael> or, /msg
[06:39] <c0rrupt_> thanks
[06:40] <hater2win> how do you make red text?
[06:40] <c0rrupt_> action
[06:40] <lluka> thers gotta be a way change the devices
[06:40] <hater2win> ...?
[06:40] <lluka> for sound
[06:40] <c0rrupt_> 0,o
[06:40] <lluka> :(
[06:40] <hater2win> action wtf
[06:40] <c0rrupt_> KaiL_, test
[06:40] <KaiL_> hmm?
[06:40] <hater2win> %action wtf
[06:40] <hater2win> lol
[06:40] <benjamin1254> really.. yeah but i believe u have to move it to the place where ur browser is to use ity then for me from there its still a pain in the rear to use
[06:41] <c0rrupt_> hater2win, hello
[06:41] <hater2win> bah
[06:42] <hater2win> c0rrupt_: teach me or else... or else ill hack you in a few years whenever i get this down... lol
[06:42] <c0rrupt_> you just did it
[06:42] <hater2win> oh did i?
[06:42] <c0rrupt_> ...
[06:42] <c0rrupt_> yes
[06:42] <hater2win> wtf
[06:42] <hater2win> how come it doesnt show up red on my screen
[06:42] <c0rrupt_> when u send nick:
[06:42] <hater2win> lol
[06:42] <c0rrupt_> it only showed red to me
[06:42] <hater2win> ooohhh
[06:42] <c0rrupt_> becuase you started the message with my nic
[06:42] <c0rrupt_> nick
[06:43] <hater2win> i see i see
[06:51] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: what does this mean: checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[06:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> where do you see that hater2win?
[06:52] <hater2win> when i do ./configure on this window decoration i downloaded
[06:52] <hater2win> thats the error i get
[06:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> you might need to get some X sorce files.... iwouldent know which though.
[06:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> if it's something i have to compile i don't instlal it... i have better things to do with my time ;)
[06:53] <hater2win> lol
[06:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> like work on NFP constitutions :S
[06:55] <seth_k> kdelibs-dev
[06:55] <seth_k> is what you need
[06:55] <lluka> how do i get extra stuff with kynaptic?
[06:56] <bjv> you select packages, then hit the update&install button?
[06:57] <lluka> err
[06:57] <lluka> can i get stuff from the net with it?
[06:57] <lluka> or is it just for the cd?
[06:57] <bjv> you should be able to get stuff off the net
[06:58] <bjv> i belive that by default it gives you the CD and the main/restricted repos
[06:58] <bjv> check /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:59] <lluka> k one sec
[07:00] <lluka> file is empty
[07:00] <lluka> >_<
[07:00] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: where is kde intalled at in kubuntu by default?
[07:01] <seth_k> hater2win, did you see my line above about needing kdelibs-dev ?
[07:01] <seth_k> hater2win, and /usr/lib/kde3 is a good start probably
[07:01] <hater2win> oh ok
[07:01] <hater2win> and i need kdelibs?
[07:01] <seth_k> kdelibs-dev
[07:01] <seth_k> not kdelibs, you should already have that one
[07:02] <hater2win> oh ok
[07:02] <hater2win> what will those do?
[07:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: gives you something to compile against
[07:03] <hater2win> ah i see
[07:03] <hater2win> what does this mean:
[07:03] <hater2win> Package kdelibs-dev is a virtual package provided by:
[07:03] <hater2win> kdelibs4-dev 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3.3
[07:03] <hater2win> You should explicitly select one to install.
[07:04] <nocloud> is there a way to make my monitor turn off after a certain number of minutes?
[07:04] <hater2win> i need to sudo apt-get install kdelibs4-dev
[07:04] <hater2win> ?
[07:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: it means change kdelibs-blah to either one of those 2 packages
[07:05] <hater2win> i did kdelibs4-dev
[07:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok
[07:09] <nocloud> does anybody else get a nasty click/snap noise from their hard drive when they shut down kubuntu?
[07:09] <crimsun> nocloud: that's normal.
[07:09] <nocloud> isn't that bad for the hard drive.....
[07:09] <kalenedrael> that's normal
[07:09] <kalenedrael> no, it's not bad for the hard drive
[07:10] <kalenedrael> you get that sound whenever you shut down
[07:10] <nocloud> actually, i don't get the sound when i shut down through windows....
[07:10] <nocloud> or when i power off in the dell bios
[07:10] <kalenedrael> then windows must have some routine to park the heads
[07:11] <nocloud> it doesn't sound right...i mean hard drives are mechanical and all....
[07:11] <kalenedrael> that sound is fine, though
[07:11] <kalenedrael> hard drives are mechanical, and you should remember that :P
[07:11] <nocloud> makes it seem like its hurting the drive....
[07:11] <kalenedrael> it's not
[07:11] <kalenedrael> it's what the drive does when power to it is cut
[07:12] <kalenedrael> there is circuitry to recover energy from the platter rotation and move the read/write heads to the proper 'park' location
[07:13] <_dave> Hi new to kubuntu (used MDK 10 tho :) )
[07:14] <nocloud> is there a way to turn off my monitor...
[07:15] <nocloud> like after a certain number of minutes or when i close the lid of my laptop...
[07:15] <_dave> #help
[07:15] <_dave> would like to know if anyone could help ....
[07:15] <nocloud> _dave: what is your problem?
[07:17] <_dave> on a ubuntu packages site (http://nz.ubuntu....) there is some updated files of amule but i cannot get them via kynaptic or synaptic
[07:18] <_dave> I did download the files i needed and installed them via apt-get but i got dependacy issues
[07:18] <nocloud> which version are you trying to update to?
[07:19] <_dave> I also did a wild card insert (so that all the 3 deb files i had downloaded would get installed)
[07:19] <nocloud> kynaptic has version 1.2.6+rc7-2
[07:19] <hater2win> what are the pack downloads for qt?
[07:19] <nocloud> i'm guessing you are looking for an even newer one?
[07:20] <_dave> nocloud: amule 2.0.3 ... latest ver (looked in the packages & packages.gz files and these are not there).
[07:23] <hater2win> dcgui-qt?
[07:24] <nocloud> _dave: if what you tried didn't work, then i don't know of anything else you can do, maybe somebody here with more experience could help
[07:25] <hater2win> anybody? qt?
[07:26] <_dave> nocloud: i did have amule2.3...deb (can't remember the url :( had to remove it due to disk space, went from Ubuntu to Kubuntu - couldn't get my head around gnome).
[07:31] <nocloud> does anybody know how to change AIM profiles in kopete?
[07:32] <_dave> anyone able to help with installing via kynaptic / synaptic deb packages that are newer then those in the official list ??? (taking amule 2.3)
[07:33] <bjv> you want the absolute latest version? i generally just build them from source.
[07:33] <bjv> install them to ~/ or whatever
[07:35] <supernix> anyone here use Thunderbird ?
[07:35] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: im out for the night, ill see ya tomorrow, thanks for the help
[07:35] <kalenedrael> _dave, you have to build them yourself, then
[07:35] <hater2win> night all
[07:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> night hater ;)
[07:37] <nocloud> seriously....can somebody tell me how to change my AIM profile in kopete?
[07:37] <nocloud> i've literally searched for half an hour
[07:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry i cant, i use giam
[07:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> *GAIM
[07:40] <pax> Settings - Configure Kopete - Accounts. Highlight your account and click Modify.
[07:41] <nocloud> i tried that already...there's nothing there to change the profile.....
[07:41] <nocloud> pax: did you google and find that post on linuxquestions?
[07:44] <pax> nocloud: Yes.
[07:45] <nocloud> yea, i think that might have worked with an older version of kopete....
[07:46] <pax> I'm too old for AOL and messengers. I use the phone to communicate.
[07:46] <_dave> kalenedrael: well then why are they in the repository (universe) but not in the packages) ??
[07:47] <kalenedrael> _dave, what?
[07:47] <kalenedrael> the newer versions aren't in packages yet
[07:47] <pax> nocloud: can't change your profile on their webpage?
[07:48] <nocloud> no, i don't think so
[07:49] <nocloud> i went to the aim site to look....and, its like the AOL site...impossible to find anything with commercials and confusing stuff everywhere
[07:55] <_dave> kalenedrael: well that's right as of last night i even looked inside them to see if they were there manually (went to url and opened the 2 documents and looked for amule and it on;y showed the 1.2.6+rc7-2 files not 2.3 updated ones that can be seen by going to the universe url).
[08:07] <_dave> Oh shit .... i didn't delete the file after all so i can reinstall amule2.3 (it's just not a K/Ubuntu package.
[08:30] <c0rrupt_> hello
[08:30] <c0rrupt_> how can i get ndiswrapper to run modprobe at startup?
[08:31] <kalenedrael> ndiswrapper -m
[08:31] <kalenedrael> alternatively, you can RTFM :P
[08:31] <pussfeller> you mean where to put it in the start up scripts?
[08:32] <c0rrupt_> yea
[08:32] <c0rrupt_> i already ran ndiswrapper -m
[08:32] <c0rrupt_> its saved
[08:32] <kalenedrael> ...
[08:32] <kalenedrael> hmm
[08:32] <c0rrupt_> just everytime i boot
[08:32] <c0rrupt_> i have to run
[08:32] <c0rrupt_> modprobe ndiswrapper
[08:32] <c0rrupt_> then dhclient
[08:32] <kalenedrael> what?
[08:33] <kalenedrael> that's weird
[08:33] <kalenedrael> ndiswrapper -m should make it load on startup
[08:33] <c0rrupt_> where are startup scripts located
[08:33] <c0rrupt_> hm
[08:33] <kalenedrael> they are in /etc/init.d
[08:33] <kalenedrael> and /etc/rc*.d
[08:33] <kalenedrael> (or they should be, anyway)
[08:33] <c0rrupt_> rc0.d?
[08:34] <pussfeller> thats a good question, ubuntu uses them old timey rc's that are confusing
[08:34] <c0rrupt_> so
[08:34] <c0rrupt_> i can put any command in therr
[08:34] <c0rrupt_> and it will be run on startup?
[08:35] <c0rrupt_> hm
[08:35] <c0rrupt_> nvm
[08:35] <c0rrupt_> so
[08:35] <c0rrupt_> how do i add a command
[08:35] <c0rrupt_> just make a script?
[08:35] <kalenedrael> the way to do it in ubuntu is to create a script to do it in init.d, then add symlinks as necessary to rc*.d
[08:35] <kalenedrael> yes
[08:36] <kalenedrael> #!/bin/sh
[08:36] <kalenedrael> modprobe ndiswrapper
[08:36] <kalenedrael> dhclient wlan0
[08:36] <c0rrupt_> save it as..
[08:36] <c0rrupt_> ndiswrapper.sh?
[08:36] <c0rrupt_> or something
[08:50] <kalenedrael> c0rrupt, sure
[09:05] <duende> Has anyone tried amsn with the new webcam support?
[09:16] <armin> hello there
[09:17] <armin> hi, i'm using the grub boot loader but i want my computer to boot up in windows XP instead of Kubuntu by default, can you please help me?
[09:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> i can try
[09:21] <nikkia> armin, you need to change the 'default' value in /boot/grub.menu.lst that's all
[09:21] <nikkia> erm /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:22] <armin> i'm not sure how to do that (linux newbie). i've got the file open
[09:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> armin: does it say "read only "at the top?
[09:24] <znh> http://kde-look.org/content/pre1/23315-1.jpg
[09:24] <armin> no
[09:24] <znh> oops
[09:25] <znh> hmm does anyone know how to get the taskbar at the top? like in here: <see url>
[09:26] <nikkia> znh, click on panel, drag to top, release
[09:26] <nikkia> that's how i have my panel :P
[09:26] <znh> that would move the whole panel
[09:26] <nikkia> that's how it is in the screenshot
[09:27] <znh> I just want to have my taskbar at top, and the buttons at under
[09:27] <nikkia> znh, you can create a second panel, and put just the taskbar on it, and put that at the top, leaving the normal panel at the bottom
[09:27] <znh> 0_o! WOOT
[09:28] <nikkia> can't for the life of me remember how you create a second panel tho :)
[09:28] <nikkia> ah
[09:28] <nikkia> 'Add to Panel->Panel->Panel'
[09:29] <znh> Panel Menu -> add to panel ->
[09:29] <znh> yep indeed
[09:29] <nikkia> actually
[09:29] <znh> hmm can I resize my second panel?
[09:30] <nikkia> 'External Taskbar' might be a better choice for you
[09:30] <znh> nikkia: I did, but I can't resize that one :P
[09:30] <znh> the normal panel can
[09:31] <znh> what means 'shrugs' ?
[09:31] <nikkia> gah!
[09:31] <nikkia> i'm supposed to have a 'chat' with my boss today
[09:31] <znh> :-/
[09:32] <znh> what happend?
[09:32] <nikkia> but i'm not sure if he's going to be in the office or not, and don't want to walk to work if he's not as its wasted time
[09:32] <nikkia> and he's not answering his mobile
[09:32] <znh> oh boy
[09:32] <nikkia> oh, its not a bad 'chat'
[09:32] <nikkia> just need to go over the results from a meeting last week
[09:33] <nikkia> but i have no idea if its a chat via phone, or chat in person, he intended
[09:33] <nikkia> and if i go to the office, it means i can't get much/any work done til i get home again :/
[09:33] <znh> that's a shitty situation
[09:33] <znh> what about going to your boss?
[09:34] <_dave> bye
[09:37] <nikkia> znh, go to him about what?
[09:37] <znh> well, to get a view how he wants the conversation
[09:38] <nikkia> thats why i was calling his mobile
[09:38] <nikkia> which he's not answering
[09:38] <znh> I mean, just by meeting him
[09:38] <nikkia> i just asked our project manager tho, he says he's 'supposed to be in, but you might as well stay there and i'll ask him to give you a call to let you know how he wants to do the chat'
[09:38] <znh> oh ok :-)
[09:39] <nikkia> most likely, a phone chat will suffice, that way i can get more work done today
[09:39] <nikkia> (my work PC doesn't have enough ram to run the project i'm developing :)
[09:40] <znh> heh, that's awesome for you :-P
[09:41] <znh> I would love it to work at home
[09:43] <znh> however..
[09:44] <Poromies> heh, i cant get anything done when im at home :)
[09:44] <znh> put a picture of your boss on the wall
[09:56] <twidget> I've monkeyed up something. When I boot, I get alerts saying, "The Composite Manager crashed twice within a minute and is therefore disabled for this session" and "Composite Extension not found: You must use XOrg > 6.8 for translucency and shadows to work." What have I done, or more to the point, how do I fix it?
[10:00] <twidget> trying again...
[10:00] <twidget> I've monkeyed up something. When I boot, I get alerts saying, "The Composite Manager crashed twice within a minute and is therefore disabled for this session" and "Composite Extension not found: You must use XOrg > 6.8 for translucency and shadows to work." What have I done, or more to the point, how do I fix it?
[10:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[10:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> you running a stock Kubuntu?
[10:01] <twidget> well, I didn't know if it ever went out before all Hell broke loose there :)
[10:01] <twidget> Kamping_Kaiser: well,,, no... I've changed a few things
[10:01] <nikkia> hmmm
[10:02] <nikkia> guess freenode's IPv6 servers went down
[10:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> twidget: have you changed the install of KDE for example?
[10:02] <nikkia> urgh, is this the new server software?
[10:02] <twidget> I don't think so
[10:02] <nikkia> i don't like that 'N=' bit in the hostmasks
[10:03] <twidget> why are some N= and some I= ?
[10:03] <nikkia> twidget: registered and unregistered?
[10:03] <nikkia> hold on a second
[10:04] <nikkia> hmmm, no, identifying didn't make it I= *shrug*
[10:04] <nikkia> znh, my boss just called, he's on holiday today, but IS coming in, and wants to chat in person, but he'll not be there til 10, so
[10:04] <znh> nikkia: wow must be important :-/
[10:05] <nikkia> nah, he has a few other things he wants to do too
[10:05] (Tranquitos/#kubuntu) wow... what was that???
[10:05] <znh> Tranquitos: server split
[10:06] <znh> maybe we need to shout a little harder to understand each other
[10:06] <nikkia> i'm not sure if it was a split, or server upgrade
[10:06] <Tranquitos> znh: i've never seen this before :o
[10:06] <nikkia> something has most definitely changed on the server, for the N= and I= lines in the hostmask
[10:06] <znh> nikkia: it's in the motd
[10:06] <fatejudger> it was a split
[10:06] <nikkia> znh, not in mine its not
[10:07] <znh> -- *** Notice -- Server is currently split, channel modes are limited
[10:07] <nikkia> oh
[10:07] <znh> global notice
[10:07] <kasir> hello
[10:07] <fatejudger> great...
[10:07] <fatejudger> now we're all getting disconnected
[10:07] <fatejudger> lol
[10:08] <Tranquitos> which other servers are available?
[10:08] <znh> Tranquitos: won't help, all the servers are linked to each other
[10:09] <Tranquitos> oh, ok... so i guess we have to live without freenode for a while hehe
[10:09] <znh> wb nikkia
[10:09] <znh> Tranquitos: they will fix it fast ;)
[10:09] <znh> nikkia: what's IPv6 ?
[10:10] <Tranquitos> znh: Internet Protocol version 6
[10:10] <nikkia> znh, version 6 of the IP standard
[10:10] <nikkia> as opposed to v4 which most people use :)
[10:10] <znh> hm, is it recommended?
[10:10] <Tranquitos> i think some days ago there was a global notice about a beta IPv6 server in freenode
[10:11] <nikkia> Tranquitos: its a test-net
[10:11] <nikkia> Tranquitos: thus, not connected to the rest of the freenode net
[10:11] <Tranquitos> ah, ok...
[10:12] <nikkia> Tranquitos: there are a couple of IPv6 freenode servers, but i'm puzzled as to how uniq is on 'irc.freenode.net' using IPv6, whereas i have to go via calkins or goethe
[10:12] <znh> And it's you when I look in the mirror..
[10:12] <znh> omg I have one second lagg
[10:12] <nikkia> znh, IPv6 is great, if you can get it working, but its not very newbie friendly to setup a tunnel, and very few ISPs offer native IPv6 connectivity
[10:13] <znh> nikkia: I think mines does, my brother had it by default
[10:13] <nikkia> actually, thats only vaguely true, setting up a tunnel with the tunnel broker i'm using is pretty easy - they supply a daemon that handles the connection
[10:14] <Tranquitos> nikkia: is it possible to have IPv6 over an IPv4 ISP?
[10:14] <nikkia> Tranquitos: yes, that's what i mean by a tunnel
[10:14] <nikkia> its basically an IPv6 VPN between you and the tunnel broker
[10:14] <buz> yeah but wheres the point, really
[10:14] <buz> only slows you down
[10:15] <nikkia> buz, only for IPv6 sites, and without any IPv6 tunnel, you can't access those at all :)
[10:15] <buz> mhh there are such?
[10:15] <buz> like what
[10:15] <nikkia> buz, a few, yes
[10:15] <Tranquitos> i still don't get it :(
[10:15] <nikkia> buz, you find quite a few BT peers that are only IPv6 reachable too
[10:16] <Tranquitos> maybe i'll have to read some RFCs or manuals...
[10:16] <znh> msg -lilo- good luck dude, this must be frustrating
[10:17] <znh> d'oh
[10:23] <twidget> OMG http://ipodmybaby.com/
[10:24] <znh> rofl
[10:24] <lluka> hi all
[10:24] <znh> twidget: can you receive me *shouts*
[10:25] <twidget> what?!
[10:25] <znh> hm not hard enough
[10:25] <twidget> I can't hear you over all this shouting!
[10:25] <nikkia> ah, it was both a netsplit AND server upgrades
[10:25] <Tranquitos> hi lluka
[10:25] <nikkia> " Late-scheduled sponsor power outages between 9am and 10am UTC on Monday, 8 August 2005 (a bit over a day from now) will impact network use for most of our users"
[10:25] <nikkia> "We'll take the opportunity at that time to do software updates on several of our servers, and we'll also schedule a test upgrade to Hyperion 1.0. Hyperion is a fork of our current dancer-ircd 1.0 ircd server software."
[10:26] <lluka> grr, somehow i just hit update all packages
[10:26] <lluka> in kynaptic
[10:26] <lluka> .-,
[10:26] <lluka> >_<
[10:26] <lluka> so its downloading a zillion things
[10:26] <znh> you should be more up2date then :P
[10:26] <nikkia> ah, the I=/N= thing indicates identd success/failure
[10:27] <lluka> im trying to get envy24control
[10:27] <lluka> in alsa-utils
[10:27] <znh> nikkia: aha
[10:27] <nikkia> aha, cool
[10:27] <lluka> thats probably why my sound isnt working
[10:27] <lluka> i have an ICE1712 chipset
[10:27] <lluka> m-audio
[10:27] <nikkia> 'you can now identify to nickserv as part of the connection process, simply connect with your registered nick, and pass your nickserv password as a server password'
[10:28] <znh> hmm
[10:29] <twidget> ARGH!
[10:29] <znh> indeed, no need to nickserv!
[10:31] <nikkia> except, it seems nickserv is AWOL anyway :)
[10:31] <Tranquitos> nikkia: you're now with an IPv6 address :)
[10:31] <Tranquitos> --> nikkia has joined this channel. (N=nikkia@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:31b3)
[10:31] <znh> nikkia: are there guides to setup IPv6 ?
[10:31] <nikkia> Tranquitos: i was earlier, but i was puzzled as to why i have to use a specific IPv6 server, uniq is listed as on irc.freenode.net but with an IPv6 connection
[10:31] <nikkia> znh, yes, but few of them work
[10:32] <nikkia> znh, freenet6 is the easiest to setup, it uses tspc to provide the connection, you just tell it your username/password for freenet6 and it creates an IPv6 tunnel automatically
[10:32] <znh> nikkia: aight!
[10:36] <nikkia> thank god for fcron :)
[10:37] <nikkia> @first(0) 15m /usr/local/bin/tspc_test
[10:37] <znh> compiling tspc2
[10:37] <nikkia> (run immediately on boot, then every 15 minutes after that)
[10:37] <znh> done
[10:38] <nikkia> znh, best way to test your IPv6 tunnel is to 'ping6 www.netbsd.org'
[10:39] <znh> I have to configure it first
[10:39] <nikkia> znh, there's not much to configure really, for a basic tunnel
[10:39] <nikkia> just username, password and server
[10:39] <znh> yea, must I create a tspc.conf in conf/ ?
[10:39] <nikkia> i ask for a /48 subnet from them, but you don't need to get that working right away
[10:40] <nikkia> znh, erm, it has to be in the same directory that you run tspc from
[10:40] <nikkia> so i have it in /usr/local/tspc/bin
[10:40] <znh> I see!
[10:40] <nikkia> znh, just copy the default config and edit it
[10:40] <nikkia> as i said, i think you only need to change the username, password and server lines
[10:41] <znh> I know
[10:41] <nikkia> if you're going to setup a subnet, you'll need to apt-get radvd
[10:41] <nikkia> but also as i said, i wouldn't bother with that until you have a working single-address setup :)
[10:41] <nikkia> znh, the great thing about IPv6 is radvd, it makes dhcp look complicated :)
[10:42] <nikkia> if you have an IPv6 capable host on your LAN, it will automatically pick up an address and routing table from radvd
[10:42] <znh> lol it says it can't find tspc.conf, it is in the same directory as the bin
[10:43] <nikkia> znh, hmmm, it might be looking in some specific dir
[10:43] <nikkia> you can try -f to specify the config file directly
[10:44] <znh> lol!
[10:44] <nikkia> znh, as i said, it looks in the *current* directory, not the location of the binary, i just happen to put them both in the same place, and start tspc with a script that cd's to that dir first
[10:45] <znh> znh@amd1400:~/Desktop/tspc2$ ls
[10:45] <znh> bin GPL_LICENSE.txt Makefile Mk platform template
[10:45] <znh> conf include man objs src tspc.conf
[10:45] <znh> znh@amd1400:~/Desktop/tspc2$ bin/tspc
[10:47] <znh> i'll get the ubuntu package.. this source seems to be broken
[10:49] <znh> allright it works nikkia
[10:50] <nikkia> znh, you can ping6 www.netbsd.org ?
[10:50] <znh> yep
[10:50] <znh> with 360ms reply lol
[10:51] <znh> hmm I don't see any IPv6 options in Konversation
[10:51] <nikkia> znh, try it with normal ping, you'll probably find its about 200-250mS anyway
[10:52] <nikkia> netbsd.org's servers seem to be consistantly slow, but they are a good IPv6 test since they seem to be pretty much always up :)
[10:52] <znh> aight
[10:52] <nikkia> most howto's suggest uk6x as a test ping, but i found that uk6x has spotty connectivity
[10:53] <znh> how did I connect with IPv6 ?
[10:53] <znh> (to IRC)
[10:53] <znh> or goes that automaticly
[10:53] <nikkia> depends on your client
[10:53] <znh> Konversation here
[10:53] <nikkia> kvirc has a -i switch to /server to specify IPv6 connection
[10:54] <znh> aha
[10:55] <Tranquitos> i have a basic question about ping times. if the ping is slow, does that mean that the connection will be slow?
[10:55] <znh> [/server -i sterling.freenode.net] ?
[10:55] <nikkia> no, only some of the freenode servers are IPv6
[10:55] <nikkia> Tranquitos: not necessarily
[10:55] <znh> nikkia: do you know some?
[10:56] <nikkia> znh, irc.ipv6.freenode.net is a round-robin lookup on the IPv6 enabled servers
[10:56] <Tranquitos> nikkia: i thought so... so what is ping time useful for?
[10:56] <znh> [10:56:36] Connection attempt failed (irc.ipv6.freenode.net)
[10:56] <znh> Tranquitos: just too see if there's connection, and how fast you can communicate with a server
[10:57] <nikkia> gotta go to the office, back later
[10:57] <znh> good luck :)
[10:58] <Tranquitos> ok, nikkia, thanks!
[11:00] <hussam> What's up folks?
[11:00] <znh> doing good u?
[11:01] <hussam> fine :)
[11:01] <znh> I am going to play ET
[11:01] <hussam> what's ET?
[11:03] <Tranquitos> enemy territory?
[11:30] <fatejudger> I'm having a little bit of trouble with some conflicting packages
[11:30] <fatejudger> I installed a package to replace another package
[11:30] <fatejudger> and somehow I broke two other packages
[11:43] <fatejudger> wow, I just seriously screwed up my kubuntu installation
[11:43] <fatejudger> time to format
[11:43] <fatejudger> lol
[11:46] <lluka> hey anyone there?
[11:59] <Mez> lluka /me waves
[12:02] <lluka> YAY!
[12:02] <lluka> i got it to install
[12:02] <lluka> :D:D:D:D:D:D::D:D
[12:04] <lluka> whats a good way to back up an entire linux system?
[12:07] <amu> dd if=/hdd1 of=/hdd2
[12:09] <lluka> >_<
[12:09] <lluka> ok
[12:09] <lluka> and then i can burn to cd?
[12:13] <amu> nope, you have your datas on the other hdd ... if you want a cdbackup, enable universe and run a apt-get install cdbackup
[12:19] <lluka> damn
[12:19] <lluka> i can only get OSS to werk
[12:19] <lluka> :(
[12:27] <Firetech> How do I make a non architecture specific .deb?
[12:27] <GOGILOLik> http://www.pizdec.net/download-video.php?videos=42830 http://www.pizdec.net/download-video.php?videos=42830 http://www.pizdec.net/download-video.php?videos=42830 http://www.pizdec.net/download-video.php?videos=42830 http://www.pizdec.net/download-video.php?videos=42830 http://www.pizdec.net/download-video.php?videos=42830 http://www.pizdec.net/download-video.php?videos=42830 http://www.pizdec.net/download-video.php?videos=42830
[12:30] <fromoze> irc-spam?
[12:45] <amu> Firetech: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Architecture
[12:46] <Firetech> amu: thanks
[12:47] <jpatrick> net split
[01:15] <|rockinnerd|> seth_k, is customizing the kubuntu livecd the same as doing the ubuntu livecd?
[01:23] <propagandhi> how can I permanently modify the PATH in ubuntu
[01:24] <|rockinnerd|> propagandhi, edit your ~/.bashrc?
[01:25] <propagandhi> theres no path line in there, do i add my own
[01:27] <|rockinnerd|> hmm... try bash_profile?
[01:28] <propagandhi> excellent, thank you
[01:28] <|rockinnerd|> np
[01:31] <|rockinnerd|> http://www.slashnot.com/article.php3?story_id=121
[01:39] <Aapzak> aseigo: I just came in to congratulate you on your sponsordeal, I hope you get to do a lot of good things
[01:40] <Aapzak> I've been ill the last couple of days, I just read your blog .. always nice entries. keep it up, cu around, ciao!
[01:54] <Chameleon22> does anyone know if one can connect Samsung E700 mobile to workstation via a USB cable? so far it doesnt autodetect it which is a pitty and wouldnt know where to start to mount the bugger
[01:55] <|rockinnerd|> Chameleon22, do you have to change a setting to let it upload pics?
[01:55] <Chameleon22> |rockinnerd|, what?
[01:55] <|rockinnerd|> Chameleon22, open up konsole, type sudo gtkam &
[01:55] <|rockinnerd|> then try
[01:56] <Chameleon22> |rockinnerd|, k hold up
[01:57] <Chameleon22> damn universe is slow
[01:57] <Chameleon22> from AU any way
[01:58] <nikkia> Chameleon22: most USB cables for phones just create a serial port, you need software to access the phone via that serial port
[01:58] <nikkia> Chameleon22: i'd really honestly suggest using bluetooth for transferring files, its much easier, especially with kdebluetooth
[01:58] <Chameleon22> nikkia, phone doesnt support bt
[01:58] <Chameleon22> |rockinnerd|, no luck mate
[01:59] <|rockinnerd|> :(
[01:59] <|rockinnerd|> google it
[01:59] <Chameleon22> i tried, wouldnt be asking :(
[02:00] <Chameleon22> are there any php-gtk packages for kubuntu ?
[02:07] <Sputn1k> How to normalize fonts: http://www.zippyimages.com/82748.html ?
[02:17] <nikkia> HMM
[02:17] <nikkia> oops
[02:17] <nikkia> another situation where i wish this keyboard had a caps-lock LED :P
[02:19] <ztonzy> nikkia: I have a such keyboard without a LED for capslock in my closet...didnt enjoy much
[02:19] <nikkia> ztonzy: this is wireless, so i understand the motivation
[02:20] <nikkia> and the fact that i went 8 months without changing batteries is much appreciated :)
[02:20] <ztonzy> nikkia: heh
[02:20] <nikkia> i was just wondering if the guy that reviewed this album was on crack or not
[02:20] <ztonzy> I see
[02:21] <ztonzy> what album ?
[02:21] <nikkia> he said track 4 was 'very pink floyd-ish'
[02:21] <ztonzy> or review
[02:21] <nikkia> but clearly, the pink floyd-ish track is track 6, which sounds almost identical to a mix of Sheep and Pigs
[02:21] <nikkia> ztonzy: Anathema - A Natural Disaster
[02:21] <ztonzy> maybe a typo, I read typos everyday in our Metro :P
[02:22] <ztonzy> when it says page 08 it is 04 heh >_<
[02:22] <nikkia> ztonzy: nah, he named the track rather than said 'track 4'
[02:24] <donofrio_> anyone kernel freaks?
[02:25] <donofrio_> got a 2.6.1X pcmcia issue with my 3c589 and my yenta controller?? doesn't seem to be working?
[02:25] <nikkia> donofrio_: i've heard of yenta issues in 2.6, but i have yenta on my laptop and it works fine *shrug*
[02:26] <nikkia> donofrio_: i did experience some issues with my ACX wireless card that are apparently related
[02:26] <draxus> hi
[02:26] <nikkia> it refused to upload firmware about 75% of the time in 32bit mode, but switched to 16bit pcmcia mode in the acx code and it works every time
[02:33] <chrej> hey people, I have a weird problem with my control center, every time i try 'administrator mode' it just reloads the tab in the normal mode while i have sudo, any ideas?
[02:34] <nikkia> chrej, admin mode is occasionally broken on some installs
[02:34] <chrej> yeah apearantly :P
[02:34] <nikkia> chrej, use 'kdesu kcontrol' instead from a run dialog
[02:34] <chrej> ah, thx trying it
[02:34] <donofrio_> nikkia what kernel version do you run (any patches applied?)
[02:35] <nikkia> donofrio_: on my laptop? just the standard .10 from the [k] ubuntu repos
[02:35] <donofrio_> ok I'm .11 )-:
[02:35] <chrej> nikkia: super, it worked, thx again
[02:38] <pl_ice> hey
[02:44] <pl_ice> anyone here?
[02:49] <pl_ice> anyone uses vsftpd?
[02:52] <nikkia> pl_ice: yes
[02:54] <_simon_> hi all
[02:56] <Sputn1k> I broke my gtk1 fonts, now they looks like http://www.zippyimages.com/82748.html How can i normalize them?
[02:59] <jpatrick> maybe you should reset them by clicking on 'defaults'?
[03:00] <_simon_> i'm still try to switch off the loop trhough of my mic/speaker. any help would be great.
[03:00] <nikkia> _simon_: run alsamixer, set the mic volume to 0 ?
[03:01] <nikkia> and in future remember that alsamixer uses seperate volume controls for monitoring/recording levels of microphones :)
[03:01] <nikkia> (you can switch between them with F3 and F4)
[03:02] <_simon_> so if i set the mic volume to 0 i'm still able to use my mic for skype?
[03:02] <nikkia> (or you can use tab to switch from playback->recording->all)
[03:03] <nikkia> _simon_: set the volume to 0 in playback, set the volume to non-0 (you'll have to experiment) in recording, and set the capture device for alsa in the recording screen to the mic
[03:03] <_simon_> i'll try that. thanks very much!
[03:03] <nikkia> actually, i tell a lie, you want to set the 'capture' volume control to non-0, and just tell it to use the mic as the capture device, i thought it had individual capture levels, but it doesn't
[03:04] <skowycz> hey, hey, hey, hey (echo) !
[03:23] <TilTNimpuS> salut tout le monde
[04:27] <supernix> hi
[04:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[04:27] <OculusAquilae> hi
[04:31] <supernix> Kamping_Kaiser: have you used Mozilla Mail ?
[04:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> no i havent
[04:32] <supernix> I keep getting this error everytime I start it up about can't find /content/messenger.xul
[04:34] <|rockinnerd|> help. chris@cataclysmicearthquake:~$ sudo mount kubuntu-5.04-live-i386.iso mnt -o loop
[04:34] <|rockinnerd|> ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy
[04:34] <|rockinnerd|> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[04:42] <brandonn> I'm trying to use Kate embedded in Konqueror, but I don't get a menu, and I can't seem to type, anyone know why?
[04:43] <Saint-George> http://www.zippyimages.com/82817.html why xmms fonts looks so ugly? How can i normalize them? Few weaks ago fonts were find...
[04:44] <sproingie> brandonn: the embedded kate is read-only as far as i can tell
[04:44] <brandonn> hmm, that isn't very useful
[04:44] <sproingie> i agree
[04:44] <brandonn> I got the embedded kvim to work, but it crashes every other time I use it
[04:45] <sproingie> yep, that's my experience with kvim too
[04:45] <brandonn> those seem to be the only two embedded options
[04:46] <|rockinnerd|> ick.
[04:46] <sproingie> yep. embedded kate seems to exist mostly for syntax highlighting of text files
[04:46] <|rockinnerd|> it sitll wont work
[04:46] <buz> is there a way to print a whole dir full of pdfs at once
[04:46] <|rockinnerd|> root@cataclysmicearthquake:/home/chris # mount kubuntu-5.04-live-i386.iso mnt -o loop
[04:46] <|rockinnerd|> ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy
[04:46] <|rockinnerd|> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[04:46] <|rockinnerd|> sry for flood
[04:46] <lluka> hey :D
[04:46] <lluka> anyone know how to install ati radeon drivers on kubuntu
[04:47] <lluka> ?
[04:47] <sproingie> check the wiki for BinaryDriverHowto
[04:47] <sproingie> the bot on #ubuntu seems to be MIA
[04:48] <sproingie> oh wait i fatfingered the name
[04:48] <sproingie> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:51] <znh> test 1234 (can you guys receive me?)
[04:51] <|rockinnerd|> znh, yes
[04:51] <znh> weej
[05:28] <lluka> hey what do i type for BusID for an agp slot
[05:28] <lluka> ?
[05:28] <lluka> in the device section /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:31] <amu> 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 2772 (rev 02)
[05:31] <amu> BusID "PCI:0:2:0"
[05:32] <lluka> huh?
[05:32] <lluka> so 0:2:0?
[05:33] <nikkia> lluka: usually, its 01:00.0
[05:34] <nikkia> 00:*.* is usually reserved for onboard stuff
[05:34] <lluka> ok
[05:34] <lluka> so
[05:34] <lluka> 01:00.0
[05:34] <lluka> ?
[05:34] <nikkia> lluka: you shouldn't really need to specify it, but yeah, thats what it has been on all my systems
[05:35] <lluka> ok thanx
[05:35] <lluka> yah im trying to configure my ati radeon
[05:35] <lluka> um
[05:35] <dean> me too radeon 9600 (not pro or xt)
[05:35] <lluka> 01:00.0 or 01:00:0?
[05:36] <lluka> and do i have to specify an agp controller?
[05:36] <nikkia> lluka: you should be able to run lspci as root and see which busid your card is on yourself :)
[05:37] <lluka> err
[05:37] <lluka> im an ex mandrake user
[05:37] <lluka> lol
[05:37] <lluka> >_<
[05:38] <dean> mandriva you should say...
[05:38] <lluka> nah its been like 2 years
[05:38] <lluka> >_<
[05:39] <|rockinnerd|> Yay! i fixed my problem!
[05:41] <dean> from where i can download amule for kubuntu?
[05:42] <Firetech> Will Kubuntu 5.10 wait for KDE 3.5? They are scheduled for release in the same month AFAIK.
[05:42] <lluka> :/
[05:42] <lluka> well
[05:43] <lluka> that didnt werk
[05:43] <|rockinnerd|> http://pastebin.com/332052
[05:43] <|rockinnerd|> ^^ my error and what i did
[05:44] <lluka> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200] (rev 01)
[05:44] <lluka> 0000:01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200] (Secondary) (rev 01)
[05:44] <lluka> :/
[05:44] <lluka> which one do i pick
[05:45] <lluka> lol
[05:45] <nikkia> 01:00.0
[05:45] <lluka> k
[05:45] <lluka> then i have no clue
[05:45] <lluka> :(
[05:45] <nikkia> the other is because of the weird way ati do their dual-head
[05:45] <nikkia> lluka: the 9200 can be particularly difficult to get working with X
[05:46] <nikkia> since the 9200 has several different device IDs, and ATI don't support them all via their driver
[06:08] <|rockinnerd|> :(
[06:16] <dreamwave> hi. i've been trying to test the latest live cd, but when the boot process gets to loading kdm, it prints out several messages that processes were spawned to fast and will be delayed for 5 minutes (6 or 7 messages). no login prompts or kdm available on any consoles. i'm using a dell inspirion 8200. anyone know what's wrong?
[06:20] <seth_k> dreamwave, you're testing a colony CD?
[06:20] <seth_k> dreamwave, the 2.6.12 kernels until .5, I believe, had a timer problem that completely prevents them from working
[06:20] <seth_k> dreamwave, it's fixed now
[06:20] <dreamwave> nope. just the one available at http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php
[06:20] <seth_k> hmm
[06:31] <lluka> my ati control panel says "transfer mode: pci"
[06:31] <lluka> :/
[06:31] <lluka> but its an agp card
[06:34] <Woxxy> hey, does kubuntu come with gnome on the same CD or is it just KDE?
[06:35] <Poromies> just KDE
[06:35] <Woxxy> thanks Poromies
[06:35] <Poromies> but gettint bot is just a simple matter of "sudo apt-get install ubuntu(or if ya want to get KDE then kubuntu)-desktop
[06:36] <Poromies> *millions of typos*
[06:38] <lluka> does anyone know how to set up AGP?
[06:40] <nikkia> lluka: there is a option line to enable ATI's AGP port, it should be documented in the readme
[06:46] <nikkia> afternoon apokryphos
[06:47] <apokryphos> hi :)
[06:47] <nikkia> welcome to the new world of really annoying freenode hostmasks :P
[06:47] <ztonzy> evenin nikkia and apokryphos
[06:48] <apokryphos> nikkia: oh? What's happened?
[06:48] <apokryphos> ztonzy: hey
[06:48] <nikkia> apokryphos: prefixed with N= and I= to indicate whether identd lookup failed or passed
[06:48] <nikkia> how that's 'better' than ~ vs no ~ is beyond me
[06:49] <apokryphos> heh; yeah, seems useless. And looks odd
[06:49] <nikkia> apokryphos: exactly, it catches my eye every damned time
[06:49] <nikkia> apokryphos: it looks like a freaking sendmail rule :P
[06:50] <nikkia> and, thank you very much freenode, i've spent the last 10 years trying to forget about sendmail.cf !!
[06:50] <apokryphos> nikkia: maybe that's their aim -- draw attention to the newbie in the channel
[06:50] <nikkia> apokryphos: except even non-newbies have N=
[06:51] <apokryphos> in other news, I had a record breaking 50-minute wait to see the doctor today :D. (usually over an hour)
[06:51] <nikkia> in fact, one might argue that the only people probably still using identd responses, are mirc users!
[06:51] <apokryphos> is there any point in doing it?
[06:51] <nikkia> apokryphos: none that i can see, identd was deemed useless about 10 years ago
[06:51] <apokryphos> mine connects, so so far so good :P
[06:52] <nikkia> apokryphos: as a security method, its completely hopeless
[06:53] <nikkia> its only vaguely less mind-numbingly stupid than 'are you who you say you are? (y/n)'
[06:53] <apokryphos> hehehe
[06:54] <nikkia> apokryphos: i'm still at a loss about my IPv6 'issue' btw
[06:54] <apokryphos> nikkia: still not resolved, eh
[06:54] <nikkia> apokryphos: i don't know if you saw this yesterday.... laptop has a 11g card that is connected to the modem *behind* its NAT...
[06:54] <nikkia> apokryphos: so it doesn't pick up radvd address because the modem/NAT isn't forwarding RA icmps
[06:55] <nikkia> apokryphos: now, that all makes sense, it doesn't see an address, as its not on the lan segment that radvd is broadcasting to, fair does
[06:55] <nikkia> what is odd, is that if i leave the card in the machine for about 5-6 hours, it picks up an address
[06:55] <apokryphos> which modem are you using now? The bulldog one?
[06:56] <nikkia> the only thing i can think of, is that its the default 'icmp only if matched to an active connection' rule in the firewall, that is forwarding *some* icmp packets if they seem to have an attached connection from a NAT'ed tcp/udp connection
[06:56] <nikkia> apokryphos: yeah, the actiontec
[06:57] <nikkia> and thinking about it, in all cases where its picked up the address over time, its been when i've had a ssh session left open and walked away
[06:57] <apokryphos> Networking is often a mystery to me. My random disconnections every few months are proof of that
[06:58] <nikkia> apokryphos: the one thing that really annoys me about the actiontec, is that there seems to be no way to write custom firewall rules
[06:58] <nikkia> it uses one of 4 scripts in /etc, but / is a RO filesystem
[06:59] <nikkia> part of the boot process *does* uncompress 'var.tar' to /var, which also contains a etc directory, and the 4 scripts, so i wonder if i can somehow update the var.tar with my own scripts, if it'll pick up on them
[06:59] <nikkia> erm, uncompress is the wrong word there, i guess, but ykwim
[06:59] <apokryphos> nikkia: do they not want you to configure it? That is annoying.
[07:00] <nikkia> apokryphos: its weird, and the 2 lowest rules are annoyingly 'not quite enough' and 'too much'
[07:00] <nikkia> eg, 'firewall.basic' blocks nothing
[07:00] <nikkia> firewall.low blocks 80, 25, etc
[07:01] <nikkia> i want 139 blocked, cos its not really very much fun looking at a /var/log/samba that contains 12,000 log files matching every freaking bulldog customer's IP/hostname :)
[07:01] <apokryphos> nikkia: really basic question, but in theory how does a firewall work?
[07:02] <nikkia> apokryphos: it looks at the TCP headers and either pulls the package out of the TCP/IP stack, or lets it pass through
[07:03] <_ash> Hi all
[07:03] <nikkia> apokryphos: in the case of iptables, it can do a few more things than those 2 actions
[07:03] <apokryphos> right
[07:04] <_ash> hecking for libXext... no
[07:04] <_ash> configure: error: We need a working libXext to proceed
[07:04] <_ash> Can someone help me for that ?
[07:04] <nikkia> but in the end, it boils down to DROP/REJECT or ACCEPT
[07:12] <nikkia> [17:51:18] <nikkia> in fact, one might argue that the only people probably still using identd responses, are mirc users!
[07:12] <nikkia> [17:36:28] ztonzy [I=sten@blender/artist/ztonzy] has joined #kubuntu
[07:13] <ztonzy> nikkia: so ?
[07:14] <ztonzy> nikkia: I know they changed the ghosting, looks strange
[07:14] <ztonzy> but the I= I dont know what it means
[07:15] <ztonzy> nikkia: aren't you a registered user ?
[07:15] <nikkia> N= no identd response, I= identd response
[07:15] <nikkia> ztonzy: yes, but i consider identd to be a broken thing thats not worth installing
[07:16] <ztonzy> uhmm..."worth installing" ? I haven't done anything more or less
[07:16] <ztonzy> just using Konversation as before
[07:16] <nikkia> in the days when everyone logged into a unix minicomputer and noone had network connected personal computers, it made sense, these days, its too fake-able to even consider trusting as the source of any information
[07:18] <ztonzy> if it has to do with autologin for nickserv, what's the odd with that ?
[07:18] <nikkia> it has nothing to do with nickserv per se
[07:18] <nikkia> it has nothing to do with anything really, which is why changing the hostmask format to N= and I= is stupid
[07:19] <nikkia> the presence, or absence, of identd responses doesn't tell you anything about the authenticity of the irc connection, when it was the default irc behaviour of ~ vs no ~ it was bearable, you just tune it out, but adding N= and I= to the start of hostmasks is to in your face to be annoying
[07:20] <nikkia> s/to/so/
[07:21] <nikkia> ztonzy: it'll be a wasted conversation, i can envision his response - most irc admins still hold on to some twisted universe where identd matters worth a damn
[07:21] <ztonzy> I asked the difference between N= and I=
[07:21] <nikkia> there are even networks out there that won't let you connect without 'valid' identd responses
[07:22] <nikkia> ztonzy: oh, i know the difference
[07:22] <nikkia> N= no identd, I= identd
[07:22] <ztonzy> apokryphos: me too
[07:22] <nikkia> the issue is how useful that information is, the answer is 'not at all'
[07:22] <ztonzy> nikkia: seems only those with special hostmask that gets I= even if some are logged in to nickserv
[07:23] <nikkia> apokryphos: i suspect i'll end up writing a trigger in kvirc to rewrite them back to normal irc standard messages *sigh*
[07:23] <nikkia> ztonzy: that's NOT what the freenode webpage states
[07:23] <ztonzy> just noticed it on another user...maybe I am wrong :)
[07:23] <nikkia> it states that N= signifies no identd response, I= signifies identd response
[07:24] <nikkia> ie, what would have shown up as ~user@host and user@host in standard irc message format
[07:24] <nikkia> it seems to be a pointless and irritating break from standard irc behaviour for no real purpose other than to annoy people
[07:25] <nikkia> it also breaks certain irc client's abilities to track 'same user' messaging
[07:25] <nikkia> s/client's/clients'/
[07:27] <nikkia> ztonzy: my point is this, the same functionality was already present, *and defined in the irc RFCs*, why introduce incompatibility and ugly hostmasks for something that already existed ?
[07:28] <ztonzy> nikkia: ok
[07:29] <nikkia> and you can quote me on that, if you're still discussing this with lilo :P
[07:29] <ztonzy> he hasn't replied yet, and I dont even think he will
[07:30] <nikkia> personally, i would have expected people running freenode to be a bit more respectful of RFCs
[07:30] <nikkia> pointlessly breaking the standards that all irc clients adhere to, for the same of 'fun' is something i'd expect from an MS-run irc server :P
[07:30] <nikkia> s/same/sake/
[07:38] <paines> hi
[07:48] <NamShubX> where is lxsplit? (what package?)
[07:55] <paines> any amd64 users compiled kde 3.4.2 and amarok against it ?
[08:44] <_guillaume> iop iop
[09:06] <xardias> hi
[09:07] <_gustav> What's up doc?
[09:11] <inetpro> Anything interestin happenin here today?
[09:12] <inetpro> Nee man, wat gaan aan?
[09:23] <benjamin1254> ne one have any good sugestions for a good distros that can play dvds or program that can?
[09:25] <uniq> kaffeine and mplayer both play dvds with the proper libs installed.
[09:25] <uniq> and xine too.
[09:27] <benjamin1254> which libs could u tell me which cuz i want to use my pc dvd player an watch my 20 dvds i bought
[09:29] <uniq> !restricted
[09:29] <ubotu> I guess restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:29] <uniq> libdvdcss2
[09:50] <benjamin1254> i tried it nd it came out with this error output:
[09:50] <benjamin1254> The source can't be read.
[09:50] <benjamin1254> Maybe you don't have enough rights for this, or source doesn't contain data (e.g: no disc in drive). (Error reading from DVD.)
[09:51] <benjamin1254> The source can't be read.
[09:51] <benjamin1254> Maybe you don't have enough rights for this, or source doesn't contain data (e.g: no disc in drive). (Error reading from DVD.)
[09:51] <benjamin1254> The source can't be read.
[09:51] <benjamin1254> Maybe you don't have enough rights for this, or source doesn't contain data (e.g: no disc in drive). (Error reading from DVD.)
[09:51] <benjamin1254> srry for posting 3 times i dident see it
[09:51] <benjamin1254> what went wrong?
[09:59] <Aapzak> good evening room
[09:59] <Aapzak> equex: how are you doing, got linux running nicely?
[10:00] <benjamin1254> i dont i have dvd issues
[10:00] <Aapzak> why?
[10:00] <benjamin1254> idk i installed the dvdrun library and so far it gets only so far and i get this
[10:00] <benjamin1254> The source can't be read.
[10:00] <benjamin1254> Maybe you don't have enough rights for this, or source doesn't contain data (e.g: no disc in drive). (Error reading from DVD.)
[10:01] <Aapzak> sounds like a HW problem
[10:01] <benjamin1254> what does it mean not nough rights
[10:01] <Aapzak> can you read the dvd directories?
[10:01] <benjamin1254> yes all of them
[10:02] <Aapzak> you know console and rights?
[10:02] <benjamin1254> i know what the console is but not the rights
[10:02] <Aapzak> which device is your dvd player?
[10:02] <benjamin1254> cdrom not cdrom1
[10:03] <benjamin1254> ...
[10:03] <benjamin1254> its my first cd rom device
[10:03] <Aapzak> lemme check my system
[10:04] <benjamin1254> k
[10:05] <Aapzak> you can read whats in de dvd, can you copy a (small) file to your homedir?
[10:06] <benjamin1254> umm idk... could u explain a bit more cuz im still a newbie at this
[10:06] <benjamin1254> :-S
[10:06] <Aapzak> well, how do you see whats on the dvd?
[10:06] <benjamin1254> i go through my kaffeine player
[10:07] <benjamin1254> and press dvd ... then it goes through and it gets so far then i get the error output
[10:07] <Aapzak> goed through what?
[10:07] <benjamin1254> kaffeine
[10:07] <Aapzak> do you ever get the idea even 1 bit can be read?
[10:07] <benjamin1254> nope
[10:08] <benjamin1254> its the name of th player
[10:08] <Aapzak> can you mount the dvd in your filesystem?
[10:08] <Aapzak> do you have an dvd icon on your desktop?
[10:08] <benjamin1254> yes
[10:09] <Aapzak> can you open it with a filebrowser and tell me what you see? I believe if you just click on the icon you should see whats on the disk
[10:09] <Aapzak> 1 left click on the dvd icon
[10:09] <benjamin1254> video_ts file
[10:10] <Aapzak> its a directory I think, click on it?
[10:10] <benjamin1254> ill click on it
[10:11] <Aapzak> you see files?
[10:11] <benjamin1254> no thats odd
[10:11] <Aapzak> yes, that is
[10:11] <Aapzak> does the disk work in any other player?
[10:11] <Aapzak> or did you never see it work?
[10:12] <Aapzak> please try a disk from which you know it actually has something on it
[10:12] <Aapzak> you're running kubuntu, right? Lemme get my laptop ...
[10:13] <benjamin1254> yes im running the KDE vversion
[10:13] <Aapzak> allright, getting kubuntu myself, I might be able to help you better, you prolly just did a basic install? so did I
[10:14] <benjamin1254> yes then i installed a cupple packages after it was working
[10:15] <Aapzak> I see no harm in that
[10:16] <benjamin1254> then this guy told me to install the dvd library
[10:16] <benjamin1254> i did the old and new
[10:17] <Aapzak> allright, I did not have a dvd icon on my desktop, I just created a link to a device. I mounted the dvd and now I can read whats in the disk, including the files in video_ts
[10:18] <Aapzak> if it is this easy, what happened on your install? prolly nothing and the dvd is empty?
[10:18] <benjamin1254> no i opened it ack up and now i can see my files
[10:18] <benjamin1254> but i tried the same thing and i got the same error output error
[10:19] <Aapzak> you opened that same dvd some other way and you see files?
[10:19] <benjamin1254> yes
[10:19] <Aapzak> thats weirs
[10:19] <Aapzak> d
[10:19] <benjamin1254> i right clicked hit open then clicked on the foler and i see them
[10:20] <seaLne> maybe it wasn't mounted? (sorry i missed the earlier part of your description of the problem)
[10:21] <Aapzak> it gets mounted when you left click on it, right?
[10:21] <seaLne> it should have
[10:21] <Aapzak> we all should shell access to each others machines :)
[10:21] <benjamin1254> yyes so u can help
[10:21] <benjamin1254> but idk how
[10:21] <Aapzak> idk?
[10:22] <benjamin1254> i dont know
[10:22] <benjamin1254> thats what it mean
[10:22] <benjamin1254> mens*
[10:22] <benjamin1254> means**
[10:22] <benjamin1254> man 72+ hrs of no sleep does alot
[10:23] <seaLne> maybe you should go to bed then :)
[10:23] <benjamin1254> nah im good
[10:23] <benjamin1254> i have been like this for weeks
[10:23] <Aapzak> yeah benjamin1254, whatcha still doing here?
[10:23] <benjamin1254> and so far no harm done
[10:23] <hater2win> yo
[10:24] <benjamin1254> so u wana remote desktop to my pc so u can figure things out?
[10:24] <Aapzak> you should not give me access :)
[10:24] <Aapzak> I'm not an expert ...
[10:24] <seaLne> or anyone you don't know :)
[10:24] <Aapzak> far from it even
[10:24] <benjamin1254> i know thats first things first in pc security
[10:25] <benjamin1254> but im dumb and let people do as they need for helpin me
[10:25] <jeffm> hey guys
[10:25] <dooglio> not dumb...just trusting
[10:26] <benjamin1254> too trusting if u ask me
[10:26] <Aapzak> I don't think I have the knowledge to help you
[10:26] <benjamin1254> :))
[10:26] <Aapzak> it's allright, you can trust most people
[10:26] <Aapzak> you can trust me, but I can't help you
[10:26] <benjamin1254> i trust u man....
[10:26] <benjamin1254> 110%
[10:26] <Aapzak> kewl
[10:26] <jeffm> i cant seem to login as root on my Kubuntu
[10:27] <Aapzak> you see what 72+ hours without sleep does to you? :)
[10:27] <benjamin1254> me eather thats why u do sudo
[10:27] <jeffm> i type su at the terminal, and it asks for my password
[10:27] <dooglio> heh
[10:27] <Aapzak> jeffm: correct
[10:27] <benjamin1254> yeh do SUDO
[10:27] <Aapzak> yeah
[10:27] <Aapzak> sudo su - :)
[10:27] <benjamin1254> then whatever else u need to do afterthat
[10:27] <dooglio> using sudo implies you have set it up correctly as root
[10:27] <seaLne> then its your own paswd you type
[10:27] <dooglio> a la visudo
[10:28] <Aapzak> dooglio: thats std in (k)ubuntu
[10:28] <jeffm> ok ill try it
[10:28] <benjamin1254> LMFAO STD
[10:28] <seaLne> benjamin1254: you wouldn't find it so funny if you got some :)
[10:29] <benjamin1254> true but i am still clean (sinless) so far
[10:29] <dooglio> Aapzak: you still have to add access rights for your non-priveledged user(s)
[10:30] <dooglio> that implies being able to log into root (or su) in order to run visudo
[10:30] <seaLne> yeah but the first user is setup
[10:31] <jeffm> ok, i type su, then when i put in my password, it doesnt appear as im typing anything in the terminal. but i type it anyway and press enter, then i get an authentication enter.
[10:31] <dooglio> or I guess add yourself to the admin group
[10:31] <Aapzak> thats what I mean, out of the box it works
[10:31] <seaLne> jeffm: use the command sudo instead of su
[10:31] <dooglio> does it automatically add your first user into the admin group?
[10:31] <jeffm> sudo then what
[10:32] <seaLne> sudo bash
[10:32] <Aapzak> dooglio: the first user is certainly added to some group that can sudi
[10:32] <Aapzak> sudo
[10:32] <seaLne> or whatever shell you want or you can just do sudo apt-get install foo etc
[10:32] <dooglio> jeffm: try sudo bash
[10:32] <jeffm> ok
[10:32] <Aapzak> I use sudo su - is that wrong?
[10:33] <dooglio> no, it's not
[10:33] <dooglio> but i think jeffm lost his root password
[10:33] <Aapzak> we have no root passwd
[10:33] <jeffm> i know it
[10:33] <dooglio> ah
[10:33] <dooglio> i misread it
[10:33] <jeffm> ok, sudo bash worked
[10:33] <dooglio> i thought you just typed "su -"
[10:33] <dooglio> jeffm: cool
[10:33] <dooglio> now you're root
[10:34] <seaLne> sudo is just a different way so that you can restrict some users to run only certain commands as root
[10:34] <dooglio> you might want to change your root password at this point
[10:34] <dooglio> seaLne: yes
[10:34] <seaLne> dooglio: not neccessasry as he should just use sudo
[10:34] <jeffm> ok, im in a directory with a configure file. i type ./configure and it says no such file or directory
[10:35] <dooglio> seaLne: true, but there might be some reason he needs to log in as root
[10:35] <seaLne> is it maybe not executable?
[10:35] <dooglio> for example, in single user mode
[10:35] <seaLne> chmod u+x configure
[10:35] <nocloud> i am getting random lockups using kubuntu 5.04 and KDE 3.4.2 on my dell inspiron 6000 laptop....
[10:35] <dooglio> jeffm: are you sure you want to compile this project as root?
[10:35] <nocloud> does anybody know why i am getting these random freezes?
[10:35] <jeffm> yeah, ill show you what im trying to do
[10:36] <dooglio> hater2win: you need to add something like "--with-qt-includes=/usr"
[10:36] <dooglio> do "./configure --help | less" to find the exact command
[10:36] <jeffm> dooglio: http://linksys.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/linksys.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=773&p_created=1084221483&p_sid=cQIIyvMh&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9NCZwX3Byb2RzPTAmcF9jYXRzPSZwX3B2PSZwX2N2PSZwX3NlYXJjaF90eXBlPWFuc3dlcnMuc2VhcmNoX25sJnBfc2NmX2xhbmc9MSZwX3BhZ2U9MSZwX3NlYXJjaF90ZXh0PWxpbnV4&p_li=&p_topview=1
[10:36] <seaLne> hwat are you trying to install?
[10:36] <dooglio> *sigh* we need a tinyurl bot on this channel
[10:36] <jeffm> lol
[10:37] <jeffm> the above link details what im trying to do
[10:37] <seaLne> should it me *C*ontinue? with a capital?
[10:38] <dooglio> also it looks like your "Configure" script as a capital "C" as well
[10:38] <dooglio> try ./Configure instead of ./configure
[10:38] <jeffm> ok
[10:39] <jeffm> lol thanks
[10:39] <hater2win> dooglio: i tried doing it with that command just now, but its still out of date, is there a repository package somewhere?
[10:39] <jeffm> didnt know it was case sensitive
[10:39] <dooglio> the wlan stuff: isn't that installed stock on [k] ubuntu?
[10:39] <jeffm> thanks guys
[10:39] <jeffm> yaw'll rock
[10:40] <dooglio> hater2win: sudo apt-get install libqt3-mt-dev
[10:40] <hater2win> jeffm: that reminds me of that time when i wrote a 2000 line program in C++ and had a seg fault... didn't know where though
[10:40] <dooglio> try that and see if it works
[10:40] <jeffm> hater2win: lol a single letter in the wrong case... LOL
[10:41] <seaLne> jeffm: have you tried using the kwireless tool?
[10:41] <hater2win> dooglio: i get this message now "libqt3-mt-dev is already the newest version."
[10:41] <seaLne> hater2win: that just means it was already installed
[10:41] <dooglio> hater2win: less config.log and see what the error is
[10:41] <dooglio> it's prolly failing for another reason
[10:42] <dooglio> also check for the presence of /usr/include/qt3
[10:43] <hater2win> . /usr/include/qt3 does in fact exist
[10:43] <jeffm> dooglio: ok, i got to the part with the Linux source directory [/usr/src/linux] , but it says that it is incomplete or missing
[10:44] <dooglio> you need to install the linux source tree
[10:44] <jeffm> sealane: yeah, but it says its disabled
[10:44] <hater2win> dooglio: still the same error
[10:44] <jeffm> dooglio: how?
[10:46] <dooglio> hater2win: did you check the config.log file?
[10:46] <hater2win> dooglio: what am i looking for in there?
[10:46] <dooglio> the part where it is failing
[10:47] <dooglio> it's a BIG file, full of all kinds of noise
[10:47] <dooglio> but if you scroll down far enough, you should see the test code the configure script is trying to compile
[10:47] <dooglio> and the reaon why it failed
[10:48] <dooglio> jeffm: i don't think you should have to go through all of this
[10:48] <dooglio> there is a package for linux-wlan in unbuntu "linux-wlan-ng"
[10:49] <jeffm> ok
[10:49] <dooglio> try installing that
[10:49] <jeffm> but, i dont have internet on the comp with linux yet
[10:51] <hater2win> lol
[10:51] <hater2win> in part of the config file
[10:51] <hater2win> is part of the conversation
[10:51] <hater2win> that you guys were having
[10:51] <hater2win> thats crazy...
[10:51] <hater2win> config.log
[10:52] <dooglio> huh?
[10:52] <hater2win> lol
[10:52] <hater2win> in config.log
[10:52] <hater2win> it has messages that appeared here in IRC
[10:52] <hater2win> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
[10:52] <hater2win> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
[10:53] <hater2win> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" />
[10:53] <hater2win> <meta name="Generator" content="Kate, the KDE Advanced Text Editor" />
[10:53] <dooglio> jeffm: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToInstallTheWlanNgDriverInHoary?highlight=%28linux-wlan-ng%29
[10:53] <hater2win> configure:1726: result: no
[10:53] <hater2win> configure:1697: checking for mawk
[10:53] <hater2win> configure:1713: found /usr/bin/mawk
[10:53] <hater2win> configure:1723: result: mawk
[10:53] <hater2win> configure:1733: checking whether make sets ${MAKE}
[10:53] <dooglio> jeffm: that link might help you build the driver you just downloaded
[10:53] <hater2win> configure:1753: result: yes
[10:53] <hater2win> configure:1901: checking for style of include used by make
[10:53] <hater2win> configure:1929: result: GNU
[10:53] <hater2win> [20:34] <-- xardias has left this channel. ()
[10:54] <hater2win> [20:35] <dooglio> seaLne: true, but there might be some reason he needs to log in as root
[10:54] <hater2win> [20:35] <seaLne> is it maybe not executable?
[10:54] <hater2win> [20:35] <dooglio> for example, in single user mode
[10:54] <hater2win> [20:35] <seaLne> chmod u+x configure</pre></body>
[10:54] <hater2win> lol
[10:54] <hater2win> thats gotta be a security flaw
[10:54] <lgsobalvarro> hello aseigo
[10:54] <seaLne> you probably just pasted it?
[10:54] <dooglio> hater2win: you might want to avail yourself of this next time: http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste
[10:55] <dooglio> hater2win: but that is wierd
[10:55] <hater2win> ah cool, will do
[10:56] <hater2win> lol, that was dumb
[10:56] <hater2win> http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/1383?_nevow_carryover_=1123534556.94127.0.0.10.36651557431
[10:56] <hater2win> there is what the config file has in it
[10:57] <dooglio> you don't need the junk past the ?, by the way
[10:57] <brk4> could someone give an opinion? acer aspire or hp pavilion laptop..
[10:58] <Blissex> brk4: you are quite mad...
[10:58] <Aapzak> :)
[10:58] <Aapzak> I'd go for IBM
[10:58] <Blissex> brk4: different models are manufactured by different companies, they are just ''badged'' like that.
[10:58] <dooglio> yeah
[10:58] <brk4> Blissex: did i ask that before? :)
[10:58] <Aapzak> brk4: you should see whats inside and how compatible it is with *nix
[10:58] <dooglio> i've had to pull my hair out getting certain things to work
[10:59] <Blissex> brk4: so you need to compare model-with-model,not brand-with-brand...
[10:59] <brk4> dooglio: is linux running well with it?
[10:59] <dooglio> it runs pretty well
[10:59] <Aapzak> brk4: one hp is not the other
[10:59] <brk4> Blissex: im not comparing brands, im talking about the models in those ranges
[10:59] <Blissex> brk4: in general it works like this: if you got money, buy IBM or Toshiba high end.
[10:59] <brk4> dooglio: does wifi work?
[10:59] <dooglio> but i can't use the nvidia binary driver because it won't work on my laptop's video card
[10:59] <dooglio> and wifi does work, but i had to use ndiswrapper
[10:59] <Aapzak> please brk4 read the specs for both machines, chipsets, etc,
[11:00] <Blissex> brk4: you dont get it -- those are not ranges, they are badges slapped on completely different machines from different manufacturers.
[11:00] <brk4> dooglio: does that work well?
[11:00] <brk4> Aapzak: im do
[11:00] <brk4> *i do
[11:00] <dooglio> which does work, but i can't install, say, 64-bit linux because i rely on ndiswrapper
[11:00] <Aapzak> dooglio: what wifi chip is in your laptop?
[11:00] <brk4> dooglio: so your 64 bit crippled just because of wifi?
[11:01] <Aapzak> brk4: no ndiswrapper with 64-bits, for nothing
[11:01] <brk4> Aapzak: wha?
[11:01] <Aapzak> well, appearantly dooglio has a wifi chip which needs a ndiswrapper, the laptop you want to buy not rely on that
[11:02] <Aapzak> might not rely
[11:02] <dooglio> hater2win: i found the problem
[11:02] <hater2win> doogli
[11:02] <dooglio> your command line argument is wrong: it should be --with-qt-includes=/usr/include/qt3
[11:02] <dooglio> not /usr/includes/qt3
[11:02] <brk4> could anyone recommend a good ibm laptop?
[11:02] <Aapzak> brk4: please post some specs here, and we might be able to give you advise, we can't do anything with 'hp' or 'acer'
[11:03] <brk4> thanks
[11:03] <brk4> ok
[11:03] <brk4> what do you think of this one then: http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/product_detail.do?product_code=EC356UA%23ABA&tab=detailed_specs&storeName=&landing=&category=&subcat1=&catLevel=#defaultAnchor
[11:03] <Aapzak> I can tell you that I have a ralink rt2500 wifi card which works like a charm
[11:04] <brk4> what laptop do you have?
[11:04] <Aapzak> dell, with pcmcia card
[11:04] <hater2win> dooglio: let me try it real quick
[11:04] <Aapzak> BTW, Ati sucks
[11:04] <brk4> ati graphics?
[11:04] <dooglio> Aapzak: i have a broadcom BCM4301 chipset
[11:05] <dooglio> brk4: ndiswrapper won't work under 64 bit linux
[11:05] <brk4> :(
[11:05] <brk4> linux sucks :p
[11:05] <dooglio> naw, broadcom sucks
[11:05] <Aapzak> can't see what wifi chip is used in that hp
[11:05] <dooglio> they won't release their chipset specs!
[11:05] <Aapzak> Texas instruments sucks too
[11:05] <Aapzak> very few wifi chips rock
[11:06] <hater2win> dooglio: it worked
[11:06] <brk4> how about this one then: http://www.laptopshop.co.uk/acer-aspire_5012_wlmi-laptop-3-n2.htm
[11:06] <hater2win> dooglio: do i have to do make install clean
[11:06] <Aapzak> they both have Ati graphics cards, I'm not a huge fan of Ati
[11:07] <brk4> whats the prob..? there are ati drivers arent there?
[11:07] <Aapzak> they both won't tell which chips they use
[11:07] <Aapzak> ati drivers suck generally
[11:08] <Aapzak> buying a complete machine can be quite a pain these days
[11:08] <brk4> well could anyone recommend a good laptop?
[11:08] <Aapzak> phone ... brb
[11:09] <dooglio> hater2win: sudo make install should install your application/library/whatever-it-is-you're-compiling
[11:10] <hater2win> k
[11:10] <nikkia> brk4: they're probably the same laptop in a different shell
[11:10] <nikkia> and probably both just as badly supported in linux, given the specs
[11:10] <nikkia> the dirty secret of the laptop industry is, that there is only about 4-5 manufacturers of laptops, everyone just buys and re-shells
[11:10] <nikkia> even apple's laptops are made by asus
[11:10] <nikkia> brk4: ati's drivers are a pain to get working on a desktop, the mobile radeon support is even worse
[11:10] <nikkia> brk4: plus, the wifi is probably going to be unsupported on those machines
[11:11] <X-CRiPt51> hey all
[11:11] <brk4> nikkia: well can you suggest anything better?
[11:12] <nikkia> brk, its very unlikely, given you seem to be a A64+ATI fan :P
[11:12] <brk4> nikkia: im open to suggestions of any make
[11:12] <brk4> *brand
[11:13] <bobesponja> http://www.wengofiles.teaser-hosting.com/wengophone/beta/wengophone_0.950-i386.deb hey all this is wengo kubuntus deb
[11:14] <bobesponja> its like skype only GPL and uses SIP
[11:14] <bobesponja> try it out
[11:15] <brk4> nikkia: im not a fan just the ones i saw seemed to have ati. just suggest one :p
[11:15] <nikkia> brk4, thats probably becuase you've only been looking at athlon 64 laptops
[11:16] <brk4> nikkia: well isnt athlon 64 good?
[11:16] <buz> sure its good
[11:16] <Aapzak> centrino rocks
[11:16] <buz> but ati chipset sucks
[11:16] <nikkia> which almost all seem to be ATI IGP based, and that is terrible for support under linux
[11:16] <buz> under linux anyway
[11:16] <nikkia> even the proprietary drivers don't work, apparently
[11:16] <nikkia> at least for 3d
[11:17] <buz> if you can find a athlon notebook with another chipset, go for it
[11:17] <brk4> i mean heres an ibm one.. but the specs seem to suck in comparison: http://www.laptopshop.co.uk/ibm-thinkpad_r50e_ur0j9uk-laptop-2-n2.htm
[11:17] <nikkia> buz, tbh, i'm not sure i'd recommend A64 at all to a newbie
[11:17] <buz> mhh doesnt mean he needs to use kubuntu64 right away
[11:17] <buz> i ran x86 on mine
[11:17] <nikkia> buz, he'll try tho, they all do
[11:18] <nikkia> then they come here and complain
[11:18] <brk4> basically, could someone list the things to avoid when looking for a laptop?
[11:18] <buz> well, i'm not a newbie per se and so I didnt ;)
[11:18] <nikkia> 'where's wine!' 'where's the win32codecs!' etc
[11:18] <buz> brk4: any chipset without linux support
[11:18] <buz> dell
[11:18] <buz> you're best bet is a ibm thinkpad
[11:18] <brk4> when you say chipset.. you mean graphics card?
[11:18] <buz> there's readily configured debian for those
[11:18] <brk4> ibm thinkpads seem to suck
[11:18] <buz> every chipset, really
[11:18] <brk4> spec wise
[11:19] <buz> graphics, sound, wlan, north and southbridge
[11:19] <buz> then maybe hp (tho i think their stuff sucks)
[11:19] <buz> but at least they offer linux on some notbeook
[11:19] <brk4> who hp?
[11:19] <brk4> so maybe a hp pavillion with an nvidia chipset?
[11:20] <buz> if that exist, that might help
[11:20] <buz> i dont think those are good notebooks but hp has linux on some of them
[11:20] <nikkia> acer make some nvidia based laptops too
[11:20] <buz> check which are offered with linux
[11:20] <buz> acer is about as crap as it get
[11:20] <nikkia> buz, hp's linux support is a joke
[11:20] <buz> i thought they got linux preinstalled on some of them
[11:20] <nikkia> buz, it usually involves ripping out the optional wifi, etc
[11:20] <buz> just not in the us
[11:20] <nikkia> buz, yes, they do, but only with specific configs, usually without wifi
[11:21] <brk4> buz: acer is crap?
[11:21] <buz> mhh that sucks
[11:21] <buz> i got acer screens.
[11:21] <buz> let me tell you this, my 17" lcd got replaced 3 times in as many years
[11:21] <buz> every time they replaced it the next day after i called though
[11:21] <buz> their notebooks cases seem to bend under slight pressure
[11:21] <buz> (my 20" acer lcd is perfect tho)
[11:22] <brk4> buz: what would be your favourate brand?
[11:22] <buz> it used to be ibm
[11:22] <brk4> and now?
[11:22] <nikkia> brk4, if you're willing to risk acer, the aspire 1520 is A64 + nvidia
[11:22] <buz> well i'm not so sure about that whole lenovo deal
[11:22] <buz> acer isnt bad per se, it's just your run of the mill low end cheap stuff
[11:22] <brk4> nikkia: risk..? are acer bad?
[11:23] <nikkia> personally, i've had 'reasonable' experience with acer
[11:23] <buz> yeah
[11:23] <nikkia> but buz seems to think they're lousy :)
[11:23] <buz> you get what you pay for
[11:23] <brk4> they're cheap?
[11:23] <buz> no my 20" lcd is just fine
[11:23] <brk4> someone was telling me the opposite
[11:23] <brk4> "top quality"
[11:23] <buz> the 17" might have been a crappy line
[11:23] <nikkia> brk, as i said, it really doesn't matter, to a large degree
[11:23] <buz> (remember, i bought both because they were cheap)
[11:23] <nikkia> there are only a handful of laptop makers around the world
[11:23] <buz> yes
[11:23] <brk4> ok
[11:24] <buz> quanta and asus
[11:24] <buz> asus make nice gear
[11:24] <nikkia> buz, and ibm
[11:24] <buz> but not cheap
[11:24] <buz> as does samsung
[11:24] <buz> there ain't no such thing as ibm laptop
[11:24] <brk4> if you all had the choice of a brand new laptop right now what would you go for?
[11:24] <buz> and haven't been for a few years now
[11:24] <nikkia> buz, not anymore, no
[11:24] <buz> asus or samsung, probably
[11:24] <buz> not sure about linux support though
[11:24] <nikkia> buz, asus are pretty anti-linux
[11:24] <buz> if you got too much cash, also look at sony and toshiba
[11:24] <nikkia> but if you buy smart, you'll be ok
[11:24] <brk4> ok
[11:25] <buz> my a8v delux works just fine
[11:25] <brk4> what makes that?
[11:25] <benjamin1254> nikkia explain why auses boards r so anti linux
[11:25] <buz> of course i intentionally bought via kt800
[11:25] <nikkia> benjamin1254: asus refuse to release specs on some of their own stuff
[11:25] <nikkia> well, all of their own stuff
[11:25] <buz> i dont think asus boards are any more anti linux than others
[11:25] <nikkia> benjamin1254: there 'we build X's reference design' stuff works fine
[11:26] <nikkia> its just when asus do their own designs, or add their own stuff, they refuse to support linux
[11:26] <buz> as i say, a8v works charmingly
[11:26] <nikkia> buz, thats just a reference design job tho
[11:26] <brk4> nikkia: would you buy this? http://www.laptopshop.co.uk/acer-aspire_1524_wlmi-laptop-4-n2.htm
[11:26] <buz> most boards are these days
[11:26] <brk4> buz: what about the wifi?
[11:26] <buz> graphics should work
[11:26] <nikkia> brk, i'm not in the market for a laptop, but it looks alright
[11:26] <buz> same for chipset
[11:26] <buz> dunno about wifi
[11:27] <buz> havent cared for notebooks in a logn time
[11:27] <buz> i tell everyone to buy ibooks
[11:27] <buz> (not really good quality but at least they dont come bugging me about broken XP9
[11:27] <brk4> buz: what you think of this one? http://www.laptopshop.co.uk/acer-aspire_1524_wlmi-laptop-4-n2.htm
[11:27] <buz> as i say, i dont know about wifi much
[11:28] <buz> i think all wifi can be used with ndiswrapper today. but i could be wrong and in any case, it's an ugly hack
[11:28] <buz> i'd get an ibm
[11:28] <buz> "Integrated Acer InviLink? 802.11g Wi-Fi CERTIFIED solution; supporting Acer SignalUp wireless technology "
[11:28] <buz> whatever that means
[11:29] <nikkia> apparently, that acer's wifi will work in 64bit mode with linuxant, or it'll work in 32bit with ndiswrapper
[11:29] <brk4> sweet
[11:29] <brk4> im willing to pay linuxant
[11:29] <buz> don't all of the drivers work with ndiswrapper?
[11:29] <buz> in 32 bit mode anyway
[11:29] <nikkia> buz, not all, no
[11:30] <buz> mhh i thought they would, based on what it does
[11:30] <jeffm> hey guys
[11:30] <nikkia> buz, depends if the driver does any sneaky tricks, some do, apparently
[11:30] <buz> but i'm not really up to notebooks really
[11:30] <buz> i suggest to take a look on samsung offereing
[11:30] <buz> not cheap, but well built and some really cool stuff there
[11:31] <buz> the 17" centrino is fucking gorgeous
[11:31] <nikkia> or you could just forget about the internal wlan, and buy a 15 card that has known support :)
[11:31] <ray_> you guys are going to br mad at me
[11:31] <jeffm> im trying to install some themes on KDE but when i run the configure file in the terminal, i keep getting no acceptable c compiler
[11:31] <ray_> be*
[11:31] <brk4> nikkia: ya?
[11:31] <brk4> nikkia: are there supported ones available?
[11:31] <nikkia> jeffm, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[11:31] <nikkia> brk4, yes
[11:32] <jeffm> will it work if im not connected to the internet?
[11:32] <nikkia> jeffm, no
[11:32] <jeffm> damn
[11:32] <brk4> do that so :(
[11:32] <brk4> *:)
[11:32] <brk4> well thanks for the advice all
[11:32] <brk4> later
[11:32] <jeffm> ok, im on another computer. i have my laptop running kubuntu here beside me
[11:32] <nikkia> brk4, my acx111 card works perfectly, given a tiny annoying work-around for a pcmcia issue
[11:33] <nikkia> brk4, and my handful of prism based 802.11b cards work flawlessly
[11:33] <jeffm> i can transfer files onto my mp3 player then onto the laptop
[11:33] <jeffm> is there a theme installing app anywhere?
[11:33] <nikkia> jeffm, i think build-essential is a meta package, so its not going to be that easy
[11:34] <nikkia> jeffm, no, you need the C compiler installed, and you'll probably need kde-dev installed too
[11:34] <jeffm> damn
[11:34] <jeffm> ok so i really need internet then
[11:34] <nikkia> jeffm: its going to be a fairly sizable dl too, probably somewhere around 50-75MB at a guess
[11:34] <Aapzak> I'm back, did brk4 order a laptop allready?
[11:34] <jeffm> ok, ill work on getting internet
[11:35] <Aapzak> nikkia: I hate the acx111, could not get it to work properly, I bought another card :)
[11:35] <nikkia> Aapzak: was the pcmcia chipset yenta?
[11:35] <Aapzak> dunno,
[11:35] <nikkia> Aapzak: it works fine on mine, but ONLY if i disable 32bit pcmcia access
[11:35] <jeffm> my laptop also has S-video out, but when i plug it into a tv the picture is black and white and distorted
[11:35] <Aapzak> it was a linksys card, with texas instruments acx111 on it
[11:35] <nikkia> otherwise it fails to upload the firmware about 75% of the time
[11:35] <jeffm> any way to fix that?
[11:36] <nikkia> jeffm, yes, its set to the wrong TV standard
[11:36] <Aapzak> I had firmware uploading issues,
[11:36] <nikkia> jeffm, there should be a bios setting for PAL vs NTSC
[11:36] <jeffm> where?
[11:36] <Aapzak> nikkia: you have answers for everything?
[11:36] <nikkia> Aapzak: setting the pcmcia mode to 16bit in the acx makefile would probably have solved it then :)
[11:36] <nikkia> jeffm, in the bios somewhere
[11:36] <jeffm> yes nikkia does ok, leave her alone
[11:36] <jeffm> where can i find that?
[11:36] <Aapzak> ow nikkia where were you when I needed you?
[11:37] <nikkia> IN....THE.....BIOS
[11:37] <Aapzak> jeffm: :)
[11:37] <jeffm> where can i find the bios
[11:37] <Aapzak> oops
[11:38] <Aapzak> jeffm: you don't know how to get into your bios?
[11:38] <nikkia> jeffm, reboot it and press DEL, F2, ESC, F12 or other random keys until you get a menu
[11:38] <nikkia> DEL is most common, F2 second most common...
[11:38] <buz> or read what it says
[11:38] <nikkia> buz, might not work
[11:38] <buz> even dell says what to press
[11:38] <nikkia> buz, officially, my toshiba doesn't have a hardware bios
[11:38] <Aapzak> yeah, it might be written somewhere in the screen
[11:38] <buz> oh yeah
[11:38] <Aapzak> hey buz, keep it nice, Dell is pretty OK
[11:38] <nikkia> buz, officially, you're supposed to use a windows util to access the bios
[11:38] <buz> compaq had software bios for a long time
[11:39] <nikkia> buz, unofficially, if you cram the keyboard buffer on boot, it fails and goes to bios :)
[11:39] <Aapzak> I hate that
[11:39] <buz> i dont think you could actually get into the bios really
[11:39] <jeffm> ok
[11:39] <buz> Aapzak: you must have a different definition of nice than i do
[11:39] <Aapzak> :)
[11:39] <nikkia> you get 'Keyboard failure, press F2 to enter bios'
[11:39] <Aapzak> smart
[11:39] <nikkia> (but F2 does NOT enter the bios normally, before anyone suggests it)
[11:40] <Aapzak> thats a hack
[11:40] <buz> i wont buy toshiba then
[11:40] <nikkia> Aapzak: it works :)
[11:40] <Aapzak> jeff, you see the bios?
[11:40] <Aapzak> hacking is OK, if done this way
[11:40] <nikkia> Aapzak: and due to a bug in the speedstep, its the only way to reset the CPU speed back to 650MHz if it decides to slow the CPU down :)
[11:40] <jeffm> also when i connect another monitor to the laptop, it doesnt appear in the cisplay properties
[11:40] <jeffm> im restarting now
[11:40] <Aapzak> lol @ speedstep
[11:41] <seaLne> (not amd64 but looks very nice) http://www.inmac.co.uk/catalogue/item/TOSNBL05
[11:41] <nikkia> Aapzak: if you leave the laptop alone, it'll eventually step down to 150MHz CPU core, at which point, it will never speed back up to full speed :)
[11:41] <nikkia> Aapzak: so you have to reboot, go to bios, and reset the cpu speed control from manual, to auto, to manual :)
[11:41] <Aapzak> stupid thing, funny :)
[11:41] <Aapzak> pretty annoying
[11:42] <buz> what kind of braindeadness is that
[11:42] <Aapzak> who's fault is that, linux? hardware?
[11:42] <nikkia> Aapzak: no, it did it in windows too
[11:42] <buz> that would be areason for me to return the thing
[11:42] <nikkia> although windows was never bearable on its slow-poke S3 ProSavage
[11:42] <Aapzak> can you configure speedstep not to go lower than a certain Mhz?
[11:42] <buz> obviously, it doesnt do what's advertised and thus has to be replaced
[11:42] <nikkia> (which btw, has no working linux drivers)
[11:42] <nikkia> Aapzak: no
[11:43] <nikkia> buz, its about 5 years old :)
[11:43] <Aapzak> terrible,
[11:43] <buz> mhh prosavageddr works nicely with kubuntu
[11:43] <nikkia> buz, not on an IX/MX
[11:43] <buz> original prosavage i dont have
[11:43] <nikkia> buz, the IX/MX will just corrupt display with the prosavage drivers
[11:43] <Aapzak> I don't have speedstep, do you gain much from it in linux?
[11:43] <nikkia> Aapzak: no
[11:44] <Aapzak> so just don't compile it in the kernel and you're home free?
[11:44] <nikkia> Aapzak: it might be useful on 'silly clock speed' notebooks when you don't want a red hot lap :)
[11:44] <buz> but just about every via igq chipset is a different core with different drivers
[11:44] <buz> they are crazy, really
[11:44] <buz> anyway, i'm off to bed
[11:44] <Aapzak> sleep well buz
[11:44] <nikkia> Aapzak: no, the speed step on my toshiba activates even if its disabled, sometimes
[11:44] <buz> mhh maybe
[11:44] <buz> i'll dream of killing lawyers, probably
[11:45] <_shawn> her when trying to install amarok I get this checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! I'm pretty sure I need some x dev packages anyone know which one(s)
[11:45] <_shawn> *hey
[11:45] <buz> trying to install or trying to compile?
[11:45] <_shawn> compile
[11:45] <buz> run apt-get build-dep amarok
[11:45] <Aapzak> got sued buz?
[11:45] <buz> mhh over not paying bills for stuff that doesnt work, yes
[11:45] <buz> happens occasionally
[11:46] <Aapzak> kewl
[11:46] <Aapzak> it's a good cause
[11:46] <buz> only this time its a foreign court pressuring me to pay
[11:46] <Aapzak> which country?
[11:46] <buz> always something new i guess
[11:46] <_shawn> thanks buz
[11:46] <buz> court from germany, whereas i'm switzerland
[11:46] <buz> i'm thinking about counter suit
[11:47] <buz> but it's too much trouble, i'll just tell them to stick it where the sun doesnt shine for now
[11:47] <Aapzak> so the court is protecting the one who sold non-working stuff?
[11:47] <buz> well they claim it worked
[11:47] <benjamin1254> anyone know how to fix theis error?
[11:47] <benjamin1254> The source can't be read.
[11:47] <benjamin1254> Maybe you don't have enough rights for this, or source doesn't contain data (e.g: no disc in drive). (Error reading from DVD.)
[11:47] <Aapzak> sure
[11:47] <buz> only what they dont know, i wasnt even 18 when i bought it, 4 years ago
[11:47] <buz> (gotta be pretty crazy to sue someone over 200eur after 4 years, really)
[11:47] <Aapzak> so they got to sue your parents
[11:47] <buz> yeah good luck with that muahah
[11:47] <Aapzak> lol
[11:48] <buz> they can say they didnt approve of the order and the case gets thrown out
[11:48] <buz> as i say, i'm partly laughing, partly angry at the lawyer
[11:48] <Aapzak> yours or theirs?
[11:48] <buz> theirs
[11:48] <buz> i dont get a lawyer for crap like that, really
[11:48] <nikkia> usually when it gets 'too hot' by some fluke of nature (ie, the fan control being s***)
[11:48] <nikkia> toshiba are not on my list of products to buy in the future :)
[11:48] <nikkia> altho they are still higher up than NEC and Sony :)
[11:48] <nikkia> my NEC laptop had the worst design flaw *ever*
[11:49] <nikkia> if you unplugged the power, or the power failed and it ticked over to battery, i know, crazy concept on a laptop, it would dive the drive heads into the disk platter, corrupting data until the drive wouldn't work anymore
[11:49] <nikkia> we went thru 4 drives in under a year on that laptop
[11:49] <benjamin1254> HOLEY BALLS
[11:49] <Aapzak> lol @ both of you
[11:49] <nikkia> ouch, that was nasty lag
[11:49] <buz> i'm mostly treating this as learning experience
[11:49] <buz> i still didnt manage to ever go to court
[11:50] <buz> and i got sued about three times in the last three years
[11:50] <buz> they invariably gave up before going to court
[11:50] <Aapzak> so you're trying but not succeeding :)
[11:50] <buz> yes
[11:50] <buz> it'd be something to put on my CV ;)
[11:50] <Aapzak> don't give up, you'll get there
[11:50] <buz> i presume i will
[11:50] <buz> eventually
[11:50] <Aapzak> lol
[11:51] <buz> rationally, i should just pay the 200? (i dont care much for that amount)
[11:51] <buz> but OTOH, i'm trying to make a poitn
[11:51] <Aapzak> yeah, could get expensive if you lose
[11:51] <buz> nah i wont lose
[11:51] <buz> swiss court is gonna throw them out in no tim
[11:51] <Aapzak> I don't think so either
[11:51] <buz> i even got people who can testify it didnt work
[11:52] <buz> besides, good luck in proving i ordered something on the web
[11:52] <Aapzak> btw, what was it that did not work, can you share that with us?
[11:52] <buz> 3 domains
[11:52] <Aapzak> how can they not work?
[11:52] <buz> they put in the wrong nameservers and didnt fix it after 3 mails from me
[11:52] <buz> which is 2 mails too much,r eally
[11:52] <Aapzak> yes
[11:52] <buz> one i could understand
[11:53] <buz> 2 barely, 3 not at all
[11:53] <Aapzak> no
[11:53] <buz> as is ay
[11:53] <Aapzak> I work for a company that screws up the same way sometimes, I don't believe you can treat your customers like that
[11:53] <buz> as i say, my case is bulletproof
[11:53] <buz> (id just pay if it werent)
[11:54] <Aapzak> prolly
[11:54] <Aapzak> so you'll sleep well :)
[11:54] <buz> yes
[11:54] <buz> in fact, i'm beginning to think i should sue THEM for damages, really
[11:54] <Aapzak> I think you could
[11:54] <buz> of cours ei could
[11:54] <buz> i just dont care muh
[11:55] <Aapzak> I don't like the whole sueing business
[11:55] <buz> i'll sue counter if they try to sue me in a real couirt (i.e. one that actually affects me)
[11:55] <buz> neither do it
[11:55] <buz> i
[11:55] <buz> lawyers are among the lowest scum on earth
[11:55] <Aapzak> it's not in the spirit of Ubuntu :)
[11:55] <buz> well i'm not fundamentalist
[11:55] <buz> i use some nonfree stuff
[11:56] <Aapzak> ohhhh
[11:56] <Aapzak> ;)
[11:56] <Aapzak> I try not to, I just don't want nonfree stuff to have a large userbase :)
[11:57] <Aapzak> but sometimes you might have to
[11:57] <Aapzak> I never installed KDE until Trolltech announced a licence change to GPL, now I'm totally in love with KDE
[11:58] <Aapzak> anyway buz, you were off to bed ... sleep well!
[11:59] <lluka> hey i'm having trouble with my vid card still, its saying "pci mode" right now, but its an agp card :/
[11:59] <buz> well without mplayer and flash, the web is somewhat daft
[11:59] <Aapzak> nikkia: @ work we have a lot of Toshiba's that die from harddisk failure
[11:59] <buz> anyway, you're right, off i go ;)
[11:59] <lluka> anyone know howw to tell it that its agp?
[12:01] <Aapzak> lluka: I can't help you
[12:06] <nikkia> s/updates/renews/
[12:06] <nikkia> til 2010
[12:06] <nikkia> frankly, i'm sick of worrying about remembering it each year :P
[12:06] <pax> jeeez I was waiting for it to drop! (jk)
[12:06] <pax> what is it anyway
[12:07] <nikkia> pax, i know people were, which is why i was getting worried about it expiring next month
[12:07] <Aapzak> nikkia.com?
[12:07] <nikkia> pax, i've had about 10 offers to buy the domain, and 2 that simply said 'i'll get it if you let it lapse!'
[12:07] <Paradiu1> How do I use the document feeder capability for my HP Officejet 7410?
[12:07] <nikkia> i just ignore them all :P
[12:08] <pax> why dont you seel if the price is right
[12:08] <nikkia> pax, i know what the price is, around $10,000
[12:08] <pax> sell*
[12:08] <_frank> nikkia: what domain?
[12:08] <nikkia> i'd rather keep the domain i've had for 10 years
[12:08] <Paradiu1> How do I use the document feeder capability for my HP Officejet 7410?
[12:08] <Aapzak> nikkia: what is your domainname?
[12:08] <pax> must be a good name then
[12:08] <nikkia> pax, its sadly close to one of the RIAA member company's names
[12:09] <_frank> nokia
[12:09] <pax> ah that explains it then
[12:09] <_frank> nikia
[12:09] <nikkia> frank, no
[12:09] <Larry_Wall> How do I use the document feeder capability for my HP Officejet 7410?
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2005-08-13-#kubuntu-devel
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[12:32] <Mez> Riddell, ping
[12:35] <Riddell> Mez: hi
[12:36] <Mez> Riddell: I did a rebuild fo kynaptic against the new apt ABI
[12:36] <Mez> wanna sponsor it
[12:38] <Riddell> Mez: sure
[12:39] <Mez> Riddell, just uploading now :D
[12:39] <Mez> http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~mez/kynaptic/
[12:40] <Mez> I'll let you know when it's uploaded
[12:40] <Riddell> tvo: interesting http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106066
[12:41] <tvo> Riddell: thanks, will adapt kio-locate docs too
[12:42] <Mez> Riddell, uploaded
[12:42] <Mez> http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~mez/kynaptic/
[12:55] <Mez> Riddell: you get the link to the upload?
[01:06] <Riddell> Mez: yeah got it, any changes made or just a rebuild?
[02:23] <tvo> yo, got kdelibs and kdebase compiled.. so now running 3.4.1 and 3.5..
[02:23] <tvo> off to test my patch..
[03:06] <Mez> Riddell: I've come accross a sort of, but in kde-systemsettings
[03:08] <Riddell> bug?
[03:09] <Mez> yeah
[03:09] <Mez> when i click anything, it resizes the window to smaller than it's contents
[03:10] <Mez> and then when i try to maximise, it just shows the main screen of KDESystemsettings outside of where the window bporders previously were
[03:11] <Mez> lemme upload a screeny
[03:11] <Riddell> weird, I don't see that at all
[03:11] <Mez> Riddell
[03:11] <Mez> locad up kdesystemsettings
[03:11] <Mez> then maximise it
[03:11] <Mez> s/locad/load/
[03:11] <Mez> then
[03:11] <Mez> couble clikc an icon and see what happens
[03:13] <Mez> s/couble clikc/double click
[03:15] <Mez> see it now ?
[03:16] <Mez> http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~mez/screenies/bug1.png
[03:17] <Riddell> I can't recreate that
[03:17] <Riddell> curious
[05:40] <mart> Riddell: ping?
[05:41] <Riddell> mart: hi
[05:42] <mart> Riddell: did you notice the .la files disappearing from breezy libxrender-dev...?
[05:42] <Riddell> oh yes
[05:42] <mart> kinda makes compiling kde stuff hard, or...?
[05:42] <Riddell> something still trying to use it?
[05:43] <mart> I think so, I tried to compile showimg the other day
[05:44] <Riddell> which version?
[05:44] <mart> not sure... apt-get source ... && debuild ...
[05:44] <mart> it wasn't installing, so I thought I'd try to install it myself
[05:45] <mart> showimg-0.9.4.1
[05:45] <Riddell> gosh, it's not even been recompiled for new KDE
[05:45] <Riddell> "Rebuild for new C++ ABI" but it wasn't
[05:45] <mart> oops
[05:46] <mart> so, in general, kde stuff doesn't require x.org libtool files?
[05:49] <Riddell> depends how the library package has been made
[05:52] <Riddell> bah, libkonq also still uses libXrender.la
[05:52] <Riddell> and can't compile kdebase just now because there's no xmkmf
[05:52] <mart> ok, I seem to be having some success compiling bits of koffice with unsermake, but using debuild will take that out of my path
[05:56] <mart> "Bummer", said Dougall.
[05:56] <Riddell> mart: will take what out?
[05:56] <mart> using debuild will take unsermake out of my path
[05:56] <mart> it cleans the environment first
[05:56] <Riddell> where is unsermake?
[05:57] <mart> /opt/kde/kdenonbeta, or something
[05:57] <Riddell> apt-get install unsermake will put it in /usr/bin
[05:58] <mart> Selecting previously deselected package automake1.4. :-o
[06:01] <mart> looks to be using autotools still - I think unsermake has to be around when make -f Makefile.cvs is run, i.e. before the tarball is made
[06:01] <mart> will see if it links...
[06:02] <mart> /bin/sed: can't read /usr/lib/libXrender.la: No such file or directory :(
[06:02] <Riddell> what's that error on?
[06:03] <mart> I guess it's the final link step
[06:03] <Riddell> compiling what?
[06:04] <mart> http://rafb.net/paste/results/FRRJD829.html
[06:04] <mart> showimg
[06:04] <Riddell> yes, I've uploaded a new build of kipi but libkonq still wants to use libXrender.la
[06:05] <Riddell> and I can't upload a new kdebase for libkonq because there's no xmkmf currently
[06:05] <mart> ah, I see the problem now
[06:05] <Riddell> you can try editing libkonq.la manaually and replacing libXrender.la with -lXrender
[06:11] <mart> Riddell: it builds!
[06:11] <mart> had to do the same with Xcursor
[06:13] <mart> Riddell: btw, had you thought of using showimg as the default image viewer?
[06:13] <Riddell> what's the advantage over gwenview?
[06:15] <mart> in no particular order: showimg uses more space by default for the picture, which is normally what you want (gwenview layout seems to waste space); wheel button works for moving between images; easier to zoom in showimg;
[06:18] <fromoze> I haven't use showimg for a while, but I remember that it may be lighter and it remember me irfanview more than other image viewers in linux (and has a nice icon xD)
[06:24] <fromoze> But, now I use gwenview because I thinked it was the 'official' kde-viewer and I'm happy too (the one I don't like is kuickshow)
[06:24] <fromoze> My 2 cents :)
[06:25] <Riddell> sadly kuickshow is still the official KDE image viewer
[06:26] <fromoze> may be okular will replace it? or is just a document viewer? -i'll see the web
[06:27] <Riddell> okular is for pdf/ps/dvi etc
[06:49] <OculusAquilae> hi Riddell
[06:51] <OculusAquilae> do you know about our german irc-channel #kubuntu-de ?
[07:06] <je4d> Riddell: how do i get my kcrashdialog backtraces and debug output back?
[07:25] <je4d> Riddell: uh, nevermind.. the backtrace wasn't there because it was SIGABRT, and the debug's available after compiling from svn
[07:26] <Riddell> there's also kdelibs4c2-dbg with all the debugging symbols
[07:28] <je4d> Riddell: is that in breezy only? I get "couldn't find package"
[07:32] <Riddell> je4d: kdelibs4 gained a c2 in breezy
[07:32] <Riddell> you need to set LD_LOAD_PATH with -dbg packages or the like
[07:33] <je4d> Riddell: ok, thanks
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[02:35] <Marky> is there a biology program included in edubuntu ?
[08:14] <mhz> is image 21 working?
[10:06] <bz0b> hello all
[11:12] <mhz_food> ogra: ping?
[11:12] <ogra> mhz_food, pong
[11:13] <mhz> :)
[11:13] <mhz> how is your energy these days, Mr. developer?
[11:13] <bz0b> hey guys
[11:13] <ogra> like sunday :)
[11:14] <bz0b> easy like sunday mornin'
[11:14] <mhz> hey bz0b
[11:14] <ogra> heh
[11:14] <mhz> :)
[11:14] <bz0b> ;_
[11:14] <bz0b> so
[11:14] <bz0b> you guys all use edubuntu i presume?
[11:14] <mhz> ogra: is it worth to downlad image 21
[11:14] <mhz> ?
[11:14] <mhz> bz0b: nop, not yet
[11:14] <mhz> I use Ubuntu
[11:14] <bz0b> oh
[11:14] <bz0b> I ran it on my laptop and it was really laggy
[11:15] <bz0b> but kubuntu wasent
[11:15] <bz0b> weird
[11:15] <mhz> ubuntu and kubuntu should be the same
[11:15] <mhz> only diff desktop
[11:15] <mhz> it's like I say FluxBuntu :D
[11:15] <mhz> or XFCEBuntu
[11:15] <bz0b> Is there XFCEBuntu?
[11:16] <bz0b> OMG!
[11:16] <bz0b> hehe
[11:16] <bz0b> jk
[11:16] <ogra> mhz, you can see it in the report.html file ... if edubuntu-server/-desktop are installable , its fine... but we had a libcairo transition the last days, i doubt thats already done
[11:16] <mhz> however, I do say it may vary some dependencies and libs
[11:16] <bz0b> hmm
[11:16] <bz0b> if I install ubuntu in server mode
[11:16] <bz0b> what does it install?
[11:16] <ogra> only a base system
[11:16] <bz0b> that was I can choose just the packages I want
[11:17] <mhz> yep, that's the idea
[11:17] <ogra> you can install what you want on top
[11:17] <bz0b> does it come with anypackages
[11:17] <bz0b> like wget or anything?
[11:17] <mhz> it should take longer, that's it
[11:17] <mhz> nop
[11:17] <mhz> you can use
[11:17] <mhz> APT
[11:17] <ogra> :)
[11:17] <mhz> like this:
[11:17] <bz0b> yay
[11:17] <bz0b> it has apt-get then right?
[11:17] <mhz> apt-get install x-window-system xfce4
[11:18] <bz0b> alright good
[11:18] <mhz> plus you specify all the other packages you may need
[11:18] <mhz> just keep in mind it will take longer, lot longer
[11:19] <bz0b> oh i know
[11:19] <bz0b> like whenever it requires a lib or something i will need to apt-get it
[11:19] <mhz> alos, you may also want to install 'default' and then just apt-get your desktop
[11:19] <bz0b> but i rather have it that way then have it install a lot of programs i will never use
[11:19] <mhz> bz0b: apt-get will automatically call and install all dependencies at the time you install any package
[11:20] <bz0b> oh i know
[11:20] <bz0b> but when i compile sources
[11:20] <mhz> bz0b: oh, good point
[11:20] <mhz> ogra: so you would suggest I do the demo with 21?
[11:21] <ogra> mhz, nope, i'd suggest to do the demo with the one linked from http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting
[11:21] <ogra> ... install edubuntu-server from the net and run a complete update at the end....
[11:22] <bz0b> Last year, I was a student at a high school, here in california, and the teacher ran a 40 box LTSP server, I was also the Computer Club president, and will be again this year, and this year, now that that teacher is gone, another teacher that was helping us all last year is taking his place, and since I hold up most power in the computer club, I was deciding maybe to go with edubuntu
[11:23] <mhz> good idea if Edubuntu suits your needs
[11:23] <ogra> yup
[11:24] <bz0b> But if I could get maybe like 2 good servers, and maybe 1 good /home server, we can install LTSP on the edubuntu servers, and run the 40 boxes again, except with ubuntu instead of fedora
[11:24] <mhz> ogra: you mean ~ogra/ iso?
[11:24] <ogra> yep
[11:24] <bz0b> the thin client way
[11:24] <mhz> bz0b: personally, DEB rock!!
[11:24] <bz0b> Yeah
[11:24] <ogra> mhz, thats proven to install fine, but is missing the edubuntu-server package...
[11:25] <bz0b> but I got debowned today when using ubuntu!
[11:25] <mhz> ogra: oh, good! Now I understand your point
[11:25] <ogra> mhz, just follow the wikipage and you should hav a fine system
[11:25] <mhz> ogra: okidoki
[11:25] <bz0b> debowned is a word me and my friends came up with, like whenever I got stuck or something, he kept saying I got debowned, or debian owned
[11:25] <ogra> to have the newest and shiniest in the end, run a update after you set it up
[11:25] <mhz> yep
[11:26] <ogra> (i havent tried 21 yet... but it will have regressions i think)
[11:27] <mhz> :)
[11:28] <mhz> ogra: is that the very same iso it was present on 19th??
[11:29] <ogra> nope, thats from the 18th... somehow it got deleted, thats why i have it in my ~
[11:29] <bz0b> where can i get some good repositories for apt-get for ubuntu
[11:29] <ogra> mhz, the 19th was totally broken...
[11:29] <mhz> ogra: boo! I was getting happy I did not need another download :(
[11:30] <ogra> it was present on the 18th...
[11:31] <ogra> it was also present on the 19th, but vanished on the 20th...
[11:31] <ogra> lets compare md5sums before you download again...
[11:31] <ogra> 5bd572786f925ee65aac391c841bd8c7
[11:31] <mhz> please... can you tell me how
[11:31] <ogra> md5sum breezy-install-i386.iso
[11:32] <mhz> duh! that simple???????
[11:32] <ogra> drops you out this hash
[11:32] <ogra> if its identical, they are the same
[11:32] <mhz> should it take a while before outout?
[11:33] <ogra> yep...
[11:33] <mhz> oh, it has dropped
[11:34] <mhz> 51564dea2e9c6fd4d9af136ebf8e541
[11:34] <bz0b> mhz the apt-get install x-window-system xfce4 was saying how it has been obsoleted or like available in another source
[11:35] <ogra> mhz, thats a different one
[11:35] <mhz> that seems to be 18th
[11:35] <mhz> bz0b: hmm, first you should edit your source.list
[11:36] <bz0b> ok
[11:37] <bz0b> then i will apt-get update
[11:37] <bz0b> and then apt-cache search xfce
[11:37] <bz0b> ?
[11:37] <mhzlibre> nop
[11:37] <bz0b> what then?
[11:38] <mhzlibre> you should uncomment the commented lines
[11:38] <bz0b> i did
[11:38] <mhzlibre> ohh
[11:38] <bz0b> and commented cd
[11:38] <mhzlibre> then, yes, u are right
[11:38] <mhzlibre> :)
[11:38] <bz0b> :)
[11:39] <bz0b> yay it works now
[11:39] <mhzlibre> cool
[11:39] <bz0b> do you think xfce is any good?
[11:39] <bz0b> or do you like flux better?
[11:39] <mhz> ogra: sorry, could you paste again?
[11:39] <ogra> what ?
[11:39] <ogra> the md5 ?
[11:39] <mhzlibre> yeps
[11:40] <ogra> 5bd572786f925ee65aac391c841bd8c7
[11:40] <mhz> thx
[11:41] <mhzlibre> that is from 19th, right? and you say 18th was alright too?
[11:41] <bz0b> wow what is all this speak of 18th 19th 20th if i may ask
[11:41] <bz0b> I am completely lost
[11:42] <mhzlibre> we're talking about girls
[11:42] <mhzlibre> ogra: has had a diff girl each day
[11:42] <mhzlibre> :D
[11:42] <bz0b> yay!
[11:43] <bz0b> :D
[11:43] <ogra> mhzlibre, thats the one from the 18th
[11:43] <mhzlibre> .oO(living in a campus is cool, sometimes)
[11:43] <mhzlibre> yep, I thought so
[11:43] <bz0b> wow the xfce looks great
[11:43] <ogra> mhzlibre, i live in the middle of nowhere, here are no girls :)
[11:43] <mhzlibre> bz0b: no, we are talking about the edubuntu daily ISO's ogra has been working on
[11:44] <mhzlibre> ogra: where do you live?
[11:44] <ogra> germany... in the eifel... in a 400 ppl village
[11:45] <mhzlibre> ooooh
[11:45] <ogra> about 10 km to the next gas station
[11:45] <mhzlibre> and no girls?????????
[11:45] <mhzlibre> geee
[11:45] <mhzlibre> no wonder you use computers :D
[11:46] <mhzlibre> I have to say I could not resist it. Me, as latin man, need to see girls every day
[11:46] <mhzlibre> LOL
[11:47] <bz0b> hhahaaha
[11:47] <bz0b> Latina's are hott!
[11:47] <mhzlibre> hehehe
[11:47] <mhzlibre> many, not all
[11:47] <mhzlibre> I am married though, so I can't see girls very much, just take a quick view
[11:47] <ogra> mhzlibre, http://www.grawert.net/gallery/pano/
[11:48] <mhzlibre> temptation would be too much, and I could loose much too
[11:48] <mhzlibre> so I just stay focus
[11:48] <mhzlibre> on work
[11:49] <mhzlibre> ogra: wow! very nice to live 4 days a week
[11:49] <ogra> why 4 ?
[11:50] <mhzlibre> I would need a little of city noise 3 days. Or I could live there 7 days a week if I had a car and city is not further than 20 mins by car
[11:50] <ogra> ah
[11:50] <mhzlibre> or 30 mins by bycilce
[11:50] <mhzlibre> bike
[11:52] <ogra> mhz, 19th wont work
[11:52] <mhz> your iso?
[11:53] <ogra> thats 18th :)
[11:53] <mhz> oh
[11:53] <mhz> :D
[11:53] <ogra> heh
[11:54] <bz0b> does anyone here use bitchx?
[11:54] <bz0b> how do I just between channels?
[11:54] <ogra> <--xchat
[11:54] <bz0b> good idea
[11:55] <bz0b> j #kubuntu
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2005-08-26-#ubuntu-motu
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[01:29] <crimsun> welp, time to sit back while the cairo transition bubbles on...
[01:30] <crimsun> hub: actually Notes will have a Linux client.
[01:31] <crimsun> hub: as a stop-gap, I ran Notes 7 in WINE this entire summer
[08:03] <\sh> robitaille: u have to add deb http://archive.linux-server.org/ breezy/$(ARCH)/ as well to your sources.list
[08:04] <robitaille> ok
[08:07] <\sh> hehe
[08:07] <\sh> btw....is tar.bz2 for upstream orig. archives now working?
[08:11] <\sh> anyways...I have to shower and go to the office...checking what's nagra doing
[08:13] <ajmitch> great, the upgrade wants to remove nvidia-glx :)
[08:40] <rob^> I'm getting the following when trying to install scorched3d on colony 3: Depends: libwxgtk2.4 (>=2.4.2.6ubuntu1) but it is not installable
[08:42] <rob^> any ideas?
[08:45] <ajmitch> needs rebuilt, will check it out later
[08:45] <rob^> thanks
[08:45] <ajmitch> fow now, bbl
[09:33] <Treenaks> Is my feed _that_ broken?
[09:34] <Treenaks> (I see I'm not alone.. \sh has reposted all of his adventures as well, or so planet thinks)
[09:36] <lathiat> heheh
[09:40] <Treenaks> lathiat: you know the cool thing? it works in my (0.2) planet
[09:40] <Treenaks> lathiat: so it got broken between 0.2 and "1.0~~pre1)
[09:41] <lathiat> ah
[11:44] <ajmitch> hi ogra, ivoks :)
[11:48] <ivoks> hi all
[11:49] <ivoks> i found a bug in acpi-support :(
[11:49] <ivoks> acctually, bug is reported couple of times on bugzilla :)
[11:49] <ivoks> solution is very simple... i hope thom will see my post
[11:57] <siretart> morning..
[11:57] <siretart> still no new lyx in unstable :(
[11:59] <Treenaks> siretart: try looking in breezy :P
[12:00] <siretart> Treenaks: lyx in breezy is broken, uninstallable and FTBFS
[12:00] <Treenaks> siretart: and somehow unstable is better? :P
[12:00] <siretart> Treenaks: I spend 2 days fixing it for me, this included upgrading to new upstream version and fixing some dependencies
[12:00] <siretart> Treenaks: now I wonder if I should upload the package I have here. This would bring is a working lyx in breezy
[12:01] <siretart> debian maintainers promises since weeks to upload a new version... :/
[12:02] <Mithrandir> siretart: where's the package?
[12:03] <siretart> Mithrandir: the fixed one? on my harddrive. Do you want to have a look at it?
[12:03] <Mithrandir> hm, five days is a bit short for NMUing
[12:04] <siretart> the debian maintainer told somewhere they wanted to convert from yada to cdbs
[12:04] <siretart> but ppl needed the new upstream version, so georg baum (lyx upstream) upgraded the existing debian package
[12:04] <Mithrandir> getting rid of yada is always nice.
[12:04] <Mithrandir> yada should die
[12:05] <siretart> I did some polishing work and have now a working package
[12:05] <siretart> still on yada, but working
[12:05] <siretart> and bob2 promised to have an upload yesterday. Perhaps he needs a sponsor, I don't know
[12:06] <siretart> yada seems terrible to me, too.
[12:07] <Mithrandir> bob2 promised to upload to debian or ubuntu?
[12:07] <siretart> to upload to unstable
[12:07] <siretart> but I didn't find him on people.debian.org, so I guess he needs a sponsor..
[12:07] <Mithrandir> yeah
[12:13] <siretart> hi Mez
[12:15] <Mez> hey siretart
[12:15] <siretart> Mez: did you see the backport request for proftpd?
[12:16] <siretart> I wasn't sure, had to prepare my party yesterday ;)
[12:17] <Mez> siretart: no i didnt
[12:17] <Mez> unless it was sent to the mailing list
[12:17] <siretart> Mez: oh. which mailing list is appropriate?
[12:18] <siretart> ubuntu-backports, found it
[12:18] <Mez> :P
[12:19] <\sh> use jabber :)
[12:19] <Mez> jabber?
[12:19] <Mez> what about jabber?
[12:19] <Mez> or was that just general spam
[12:19] <siretart> Mez: is jdong now working with ubuntu-backports?
[12:19] <\sh> nice offline message support...so send the requests through jabber and u will see all backport requests
[12:19] <\sh> ;)
[12:19] <siretart> http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ still doesn't mention the official backports, so I'm confused..
[12:20] <lathiat> i dont think that page is particularly in date at all
[12:20] <Mez> siretart, I dont have access at all
[12:20] <Mez> yeah
[12:20] <Mez> [email protected]/apathy
[12:21] <\sh> Mez|WoW: u read my blog article about gajim?
[12:22] <Mez|WoW> gajim ... ?
[12:22] <Mez|WoW> most likely
[12:22] <\sh> yes...
[12:22] <Mez|WoW> I read most blog articles
[12:23] <\sh> gtk jabber client...just like psi under qt/kde
[12:23] <siretart> \sh: I'm looking forward to test your package :)
[12:23] <Mez|WoW> when was it written?
[12:23] <\sh> written in python and it rocks (even I'm not the gnome type of user)
[12:23] <\sh> siretart: it's on revu
[12:23] <\sh> siretart: u need dnspython as well
[12:23] <siretart> w00h0. will test in a sec :)
[12:24] <\sh> siretart: binary packages are on deb http://archive.linux-server.org/ breezy/all
[12:24] <\sh> and http://archive.linux-server.org/ breezy/$(ARCH)/
[12:24] <Mez|WoW> \sh - what happened to sourcecode.de
[12:24] <\sh> Mez|WoW: it's my mail domain :)
[12:25] <\sh> to copy and paste:
[12:25] <\sh> deb http://archive.linux-server.org/ breezy/all/
[12:25] <\sh> deb http://archive.linux-server.org/ breezy/$(ARCH)/
[12:25] <\sh> deb-src http://archive.linux-server.org/ breezy/source/
[12:26] <\sh> siretart: dnspython is needed for srv dns record lookup so it's using tls and complying to xmpp 1.0
[12:26] <siretart> \sh: can you explain me the meaning of this debian/dnspython.examples?
[12:27] <siretart> brb
[12:27] <\sh> siretart: yes..it installs the examples in /usr/share/docs/dnspython...it's a feature of cdbs
[12:27] <\sh> for python packages
[12:29] <Mez|WoW> \sh It looks nice, but I can mnever see me using it instead of using gaim
[12:29] <Mez|WoW> I use gaim all the time and dont need another client
[12:30] <\sh> Mez|WoW: gaim is not a jabber client..it's a multiprotocol client...
[12:30] <\sh> Mez|WoW: gajim is plain jabber...so it uses only the different jabber/xmpp technologies
[12:30] <\sh> and this is more what icq, aim, yahoo and msn have together :)
[12:31] <Mez|WoW> \sh: but - while it isa still multiprotocol - it still suppoirts the jabber stuff
[12:31] <Mez|WoW> what does gajim give me that gaim cant?
[12:31] <\sh> Mez|WoW: it doesn't support jabber services like transports, rss, pubsub, jud, etc.
[12:32] <\sh> Mez|WoW: gajim is supporting those services...
[12:32] <Mez|WoW> \sh: I've never used them anyways
[12:32] <Mez|WoW> because I use jabber.org
[12:32] <\sh> Mez|WoW: hehe...
[12:32] <\sh> yes jabber.org has a problem with transports...legal things
[12:33] <\sh> and some of them are sometimes nasty to administrate
[12:33] <\sh> ok...
[12:33] <Mez|WoW> \sh: simple thing - I dont have access to anywhere else for Jabber
[12:33] <Mez|WoW> I love the way it works
[12:33] <Mez|WoW> but, I dont have any acccess to/any need for extra features at the moment
[12:33] <siretart> \sh: looking great! one more MOTU to go! :)
[12:33] <Mez|WoW> I'll review in a sec
[12:33] <Mez|WoW> \sh: I dont even see you online at the moment
[12:34] <siretart> ok, have to help preparing lunch here, cu later!
\sh: simple thing - I dont have access to anywhere else for Jabber
[12:34] <JanC> no access ?
[12:35] <JanC> because of a firewall or something ?
[12:36] <Mez|WoW> JanC... I dont have a private non-generic jabber server to connect to
[12:36] <JanC> Mez|WoW, there are lots of free jabber servers ?
[12:38] <JanC> and some of them do have special services installed
[12:41] <JanC> e.g. http://web.amessage.info/ has smtp & sms gateway, a blogging gateway, ...
[12:41] <\sh> anyways ... i'm at the office...and I can't do anything here anymore..
[12:41] <\sh> so i need to go home...and deal with some real life
[12:42] <Nafallo> Mez|WoW: linux-server.org is \sh's ;-)
[12:42] <\sh> Nafallo: he's already registered
[12:42] <Nafallo> oh
[12:42] <\sh> Nafallo: the status view of gaim...was it a problem of gaim ?
[12:43] <\sh> Nafallo: i think it was u with the same problem...right/
[12:43] <Nafallo> \sh: dunno. I know you are not online according to it ;-)
[12:43] <\sh> Nafallo: ok...check gajim
[12:43] <Nafallo> \sh: is it on REVU yet?! :-D
[12:43] <\sh> Nafallo: it's on revu
[12:44] <\sh> and u can find binaries on http://archive.linux-server.org/breezy
[12:44] <\sh> Nafallo: dnspython as well...i need it for xmpp 1.0 dns srv recs
[12:44] <Nafallo> yea, I know :-)
[12:44] <\sh> but now I have to leave here...I want to go home...
[12:45] <\sh> cu later guys...in one hour or so/
[12:45] <\sh> cu later
[12:45] <Nafallo> \sh: yepp :-)
[12:45] <siretart> bye \sh_away
[12:47] <Nafallo> ehm
[12:47] <Nafallo> sity_python?
[12:47] <Nafallo> site_python?
[12:51] <Mez|WoW> Nafallo: good catch
[12:52] <siretart> Nafallo: great spotting!
[12:56] <Yagisan> G'day All
[01:00] <Nafallo> hmm
[01:00] <Nafallo> anyone else use gaim-evolutionpluginsstuffthing?
[01:02] <siretart> hi Yagisan
[01:02] <Nafallo> everything seems to notice it's jabber I want to add, but when I add it to gaim, the damn address gets added as GroupWise :-P
[01:05] <Yagisan> can anyone think of a packages that creates multiple debs from a data package without creating a binary deb ?
[01:06] <Yagisan> I went through the games section
[01:06] <Yagisan> but they seem to mostly be one source, one binary
[01:07] <siretart> Yagisan: err, you always need a source package. it can create one or more than one 'binary' packages
[01:07] <siretart> Yagisan: note that a binary package may also include just 'data'
[01:08] <Yagisan> what I mean is, you see all those deng-jdoom-rp-* packages I sent to revu ?
[01:08] <Yagisan> I have been asked to make it once source
[01:09] <Yagisan> for those debs. I'm looking for an example package
[01:09] <siretart> Yagisan: ah, do I understand you correctly, you want to combine several upstream tarballs to one debian sourcepackage?
[01:10] <Yagisan> It is all the same upstream (but the packages are seperated for maintainence and user convienience)
[01:10] <siretart> that doesn't matter
[01:11] <Yagisan> I was asked by ajmitch to look into combining them into one source, multiple binaries
[01:11] <Yagisan> but I can't find an example
[01:11] <Yagisan> so other games do it
[01:11] <siretart> the current dpkg source format cannot handle several upstream. the new wig and pen format will support this, but this format is not allowed in the archive yet
[01:11] <Yagisan> s/so/no/
[01:11] <siretart> as workaround, I've seen packages combining all tarballs from upstream into one new orig.tar.gz
[01:12] <Yagisan> that's what I'm looking at
[01:12] <siretart> debian/rules will then extract the tarballs in it
[01:12] <Yagisan> in my case they are simply .zips
[01:12] <Yagisan> with noexecutable data
[01:12] <siretart> you could make a new tar.gz containing all those .zip's
[01:12] <siretart> extracting them at build time
[01:16] <Yagisan> be back soon
[01:22] <Nafallo> gaah
[01:23] <Nafallo> build-dep: mozilla-dev (>= 2:1.7.8), build-conflict: mozilla-dev (>= 2:1.7.9)
[01:23] <Nafallo> wth
[01:24] <Mithrandir> that's a build-dep: mozilla-dev (>= 2:1.7.8), mozilla-dev (<< 2:1.7.9)
[01:25] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: what about build-dep mozilla-dev (= 2:1.7.8)
[01:25] <Nafallo> =
[01:25] <Nafallo> ?
[01:25] <Mithrandir> that's wrong
[01:25] <Mithrandir> it won't work with 2:1.7.8-1 -2 and so on
[01:26] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: anyway, I'll try to remove the conflict things and just have higher than 2:1.7.8. We'll see if it compiles with our version.
[01:27] <Mithrandir> dpkg --compare-versions '2:1.7.8' '=' '2:1.7.8-1' && echo true || echo false
[01:27] <Mithrandir> false
[02:07] <Yagisan> siretart: ping
[02:07] <siretart> Yagisan: pong
[02:08] <Yagisan> siretart: you can nuke all of the deng-jdoom-rp-* packages at deng
[02:08] <siretart> okay
[02:08] <Yagisan> I worked out how to use one source to produce all of those binaries
[02:08] <Yagisan> :)
[02:15] <siretart> how?
[02:16] <siretart> stuff nuked
[02:17] <Yagisan> ?
[02:17] <Yagisan> thanks siretart
[02:18] <Yagisan> I used the packaging rules for wesnoth as inspiration
[02:19] <Yagisan> it makes a few data packages
[02:19] <siretart> great :)
[02:19] <slomo> hi all
[02:19] <Yagisan> I think my package is the only one that is multiple data from one source, without binaries though
[02:20] <Yagisan> just waiting on a list of all authors from upstream before reuploading
[02:20] <Yagisan> (I have a slow uplink)
[02:20] <Yagisan> G'day Slomo
[02:20] <siretart> hi slomo
[02:21] <siretart> \sh_away: I think you can upload http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=412 :)
[02:56] <tseng> Mez: ping
[03:24] <\sh> Mez: what is apathy? other client then gaim or only the resource?
[03:37] <tvo> hi! pbuilder gives me "dpkg-source: error: unrecognised file suffix `.diff'" what could cause this?
[03:39] <tvo> lintian & linda don't give any warnings/errors
[03:39] <sedak> do you have any tar.gz in the .dsc file ?
[03:41] <tvo> sedak: yes, orig.tar.gz
[03:41] <sedak> then i don't know :-)
[03:42] <\sh> and your diff is .diff.gz?
[03:42] <tvo> \sh: yes
[03:42] <\sh> hmmm
[03:42] <\sh> which package?
[03:43] <tvo> kio-locate
[03:43] <\sh> is it in the archives, i think so
[03:43] <tvo> a month ago I succesfully build it. now it doesn't work
[03:44] <tvo> yes 0.4.2tvo0.1 is in universe
[03:44] <\sh> lemme check :)
[03:44] <\sh> just updating this laptop here
[03:44] <tvo> The only significant thing I changed during this build are a pbuilder breezy chroot instead of hoary IIRC
[03:45] <\sh> tvo: with --override-config?
[03:45] <tvo> yes
[03:46] <tvo> I followed PbuilderHowto
[03:46] <\sh> Checking for the qt library : qt was not found
[03:46] <\sh> Please set QTDIR first (/usr/lib/qt3?) or try scons -h for more options
[03:47] <\sh> debuild -S output
[03:48] <tvo> hmm that's weird. Could be a bug in bksys, the build system used
[03:49] <\sh> check this first :)
[03:57] <tvo> \sh: I'm unable to reproduce that output..
[03:58] <Yagisan> slomo: ping
[03:58] <\sh> tvo: do u have libqt3-mt-dev installed ?
[03:58] <slomo> Yagisan: pong
[03:58] <Yagisan> slomo: Thank you. Only possible changes now are to the suggests line
[03:59] <tvo> \sh: yes
[03:59] <\sh> tvo: that's the problem
[03:59] <\sh> debuild -S uses the host system to clean the tarball and the diff.gz
[04:00] <\sh> if you depend on an installed -dev package during clean time...it's bad
[04:00] <slomo> Yagisan: what do you want to change there?
[04:00] <\sh> $(SCONS_CMD) -c
[04:00] <\sh> thats the problem
[04:01] <Yagisan> Had a new upstream of deng-jhexen-xccp released yesterday, and it obsoleted deng-jhexen-skypack
[04:01] <tvo> \sh: I guess the problem is in scons or bksys then. I wants to configure before cleaning
[04:02] <tvo> $(SCONS_CMD) -c == make clean
[04:02] <slomo> Yagisan: oh ok... just tell me when you've done a new upload there :) and search for two other MOTU who vote for deng ;)
[04:02] <\sh> tvo: yes...but it tries to configure something first :)
[04:03] <tvo> \sh: yup, and it shouldn't do that. It's not needed.
[04:03] <Yagisan> slomo: no problems. Feel like giving my deng-iwad-*installer's a once over ?
[04:03] <\sh> tvo: do u need scons at all?
[04:04] <slomo> Yagisan: sure
[04:04] <slomo> Yagisan: after i've created a new package ;)
[04:04] <tvo> \sh: well, I suppose I could try to replace it with autotools
[04:04] <Yagisan> slomo: thanks
[04:04] <tvo> but scons looks much cleaner, that's why original author switched
[04:05] <tvo> and I don't want to switch back and add 400k autotools to the package..
[04:06] <\sh> tvo: hmmm..possibility to avoid the configure state in clean target?
[04:07] <tvo> \sh: by talking to ita, bksys author
[04:07] <tvo> I already reported/fixed several issues and if it appears to be a bksys issue, it'll be fixed in 1-2 days
[04:08] <tvo> if it's in scons, then I don't know how much time it takes.. could try to fix it myself..
[04:08] <pef> hi
[04:10] <\sh> tvo: what about adding -k flag?
[04:11] <tvo> \sh: could be a good workaround
[04:11] <siretart> \sh: I think dnspython reached quorum, will you upload it?
[04:11] <tvo> I'll test it now
[04:11] <siretart> ah, there was this typo, ignore me.. sory
[04:12] <\sh> siretart: I fix it first
[04:13] <siretart> ok
[04:13] <\sh> give me a couple of minutes :)
[04:25] <tvo> \sh: there appears to be a new builddir/srcdir feature in scons, so no need for clean, just rm -rf builddir. I'll use that, seems a better solution than any workaround
[04:28] <\sh> tvo: try...send me the debdiff :)
[04:33] <tvo> \sh: ok, I'll do that once I updated the build system
[04:46] <\sh> siretart: uploaded new version
[04:49] <siretart> \sh: advocated it ;)
[04:49] <\sh> thx
[04:49] <Nafallo> hmm, is that a typofix, or a complete new string? ;-)
[04:50] <Yagisan> slomo: ping
[04:50] <\sh> Nafallo: complete new string ,-)
[04:50] <Nafallo> GAAH!
[04:50] <Nafallo> I _HATE_ gnome-panel
[04:50] <\sh> Nafallo: check it :)
[04:50] <slomo> Yagisan: pong
[04:51] <Yagisan> slomo: new deng with corrected suggests is uploaded
[04:51] <Yagisan> 3 advocates please :-D
[04:53] <\sh> hmmm
[04:53] <\sh> deng would install the binaries into /usr/games/deng
[04:54] <\sh> but the binary should be installed only under /usr/games
[04:54] <Yagisan> \sh nope
[04:54] <\sh> Yagisan: check the other games
[04:54] <Yagisan> \sh eg see wesnoth
[04:55] <Yagisan> allmost all are /usr/games/<packagename>
[04:55] <\sh> well...fortune e.g. /usr/games/fortune <- binary
[04:55] <\sh> no dir
[04:55] <\sh> same-gnome as well
[04:56] <\sh> I know also the old style system...
[04:56] <siretart> Yagisan: please see http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-customized-programs.html#s11.11
[04:56] <siretart> Yagisan: \sh is right, imo
[04:57] <Yagisan> siretart, that a lot of universe is borken
[04:57] <Yagisan> s/that/then
[04:58] <\sh> Yagisan: yes...because it was the old system...since FHS we should fix this
[04:58] <\sh> another MOTU todo for MOTUGames Team ,-)
[04:58] <siretart> *sigh*
[04:58] <\sh> hahaha
[04:58] <\sh> knife in da back ,-)
[04:58] <Yagisan> crap
[04:59] <\sh> Yagisan: ifeq "$(DEBIAN_ARCH)" "i386" CFLAGS += -mcpu=i686
[04:59] <\sh> endif
[05:00] <Yagisan> suggestions on where to tell deng to shove it's private libraries ?
[05:00] <\sh> /usr/share/deng ?
[05:00] <tseng> wesnoth is too hard
[05:00] <\sh> oh private libs?
[05:00] <\sh> /usr/lib/deng
[05:00] <Yagisan> yes
[05:00] <tseng> it should stop beating me
[05:00] <siretart> tseng: in what sense?
[05:00] <\sh> or /usr/libexec/deng
[05:00] <slomo> \sh: regarding mcpu: that's only tuning... the stuff will also run on an old 386 ;)
[05:00] <tseng> siretart: i cant win
[05:00] <siretart> ah
[05:00] <\sh> slomo: ok...
[05:01] <siretart> /usr/libexec ?!
[05:01] <siretart> in debian?!
[05:01] <\sh> u see...
[05:01] <\sh> I'm just an old fart...
[05:01] <\sh> so /usr/lib/deng
[05:01] <siretart> jo, that sounds right..
[05:02] <Yagisan> :(
[05:02] <Yagisan> time for more configure magic
[05:03] <siretart> anyone knows whats wrong with gnome-panel?
[05:03] <siretart> since a few days, its behaving quite weird.
[05:04] <siretart> Yagisan: err, I just installed wesnoth, where did you see that it creates a dir under /usr/games?
[05:04] <slomo> siretart: what exactly? does it crash constantly for you?
[05:05] <siretart> slomo: quite often, yes
[05:05] <\sh> I think I have to rewrite the complete rules file for gajim
[05:05] <slomo> siretart: hmm... after updating yesterday and a reboot this disappeared here
[05:06] <siretart> hm
[05:06] <siretart> \sh: :(
[05:06] <\sh> because the default of 0.7.1 is ugly
[05:06] <\sh> no problem...
[05:07] <Yagisan> siretart - I must be mistaken, I'm sure I saw it there when I checked last, but on a re-install I can't find it either
[05:11] <Mez> \sh apathy is just a resource :D It's my comp name
[05:15] <Seveas> I found a trivial packaging bug in a package (one line fix in debian/control). Should I put a new package on revo or is a bug report enough?
[05:16] <slomo> Seveas: make a debdiff and give it to someone who can upload it for you
[05:16] <\sh> Mez: ah ok :)
[05:17] <Seveas> slomo, can you, and do you have 5 minutes to fix it?
[05:20] <slomo> Seveas: i could... when i finally have upload rights *waiting almost a month* ;) maybe \sh has time...
[05:20] <Seveas> hehe
[05:21] <Seveas> \sh, do you?
[05:30] <\sh> slomo: elmo inserted the keys...did u try?
[05:31] <\sh> Seveas: what is it? send me the debdiff to [email protected]
[05:31] <\sh> i need to hang clothes :)
[05:31] <slomo> \sh: nope... what can break when mine isn't there yet?
[05:31] <\sh> slomo: nothing..it disappears
[05:31] <slomo> \sh: and i get a REJECT mail?
[05:31] <Seveas> \sh, you really want a debdiff for one missing dependency?
[05:35] <Yagisan> while I'm fixing deng, was there anything else you guys think should be fixed ?
[05:38] <\sh> Seveas: package and whats missing
[05:38] <\sh> slomo: something like this
[05:41] <Seveas> steghide, build-dep on libjpeg-dev is missing
[05:42] <Seveas> so it gets built without jpeg support
[05:44] <Seveas> debdiff does not show this for the debs or gives far too much output for thr dsc
[05:44] <\sh> Seveas: and it should compile with libjpeg support ?
[05:44] <Seveas> I see no reason why not
[05:45] <\sh> argl
[05:45] <\sh> this gnome panel
[05:45] <\sh> it's crashing
[05:46] <lathiat> yeh i keep getting that
[05:46] <Seveas> the changelog mentions nothing about the reason for it not to be included
[05:46] <Seveas> and there's no readme.debian
[05:46] <slomo> \sh: hehe... same for me and siretart... and my xchat crashs everytime the panel crashs :(
[05:46] <\sh> Seveas: it's ftbfsing
[05:46] <lathiat> slomo: heh yeh thatd be cause yoru notification area goes away
[05:46] <lathiat> gaim will crash too
[05:47] <\sh> yeah
[05:47] <\sh> gajim as well..so I removed it from the notification area
[05:47] <slomo> lathiat: hm, gaim doesn't crash for me... but liferea does
[05:47] <\sh> but rhythmbox is running
[05:47] <lathiat> slomo: hrm, gaim has always crashed for me when the panel crashes
[05:47] <lathiat> yeh rhythmbox is good
[05:47] <lathiat> it even restores the icon
[05:47] <Seveas> \sh, hmm
[05:47] <Seveas> here it builds fine
[05:47] <lathiat> some applications, like azureus, dont crash but you lose the tray icon
[05:47] <slomo> lathiat: rhythmbox is too unstable for me... it doesn't like some of my mp3s ;)
[05:48] <lathiat> .. and the window is hidden :)
[05:48] <lathiat> slomo: works great for me
[05:48] <lathiat> if it doesnt like your mp3s your mp3s suck :)
[05:48] <slomo> lathiat: hehe, that's the reason why i don't hide azureus anymore
[05:48] <lathiat> that or gstreamer0.8-mad isnt installed
[05:48] <\sh> CvrStgObject.h:40: warning: 'class CvrStgObject' has virtual functions but non-virtual destructor
[05:48] <\sh> SampleValue.h: In member function 'size_t SampleValueHash::operator()(const SampleValue*) const':
[05:48] <\sh> SampleValue.h:166: error: 'hash' is not a member of 'sgi'
[05:48] <\sh> SampleValue.h:166: error: expected primary-expression before '>' token
[05:48] <\sh> SampleValue.h:166: error: 'h' was not declared in this scope
[05:48] <slomo> lathiat: at least it segfaults when i import all my stuff... after 5 minutes or something
[05:48] <slomo> lathiat: i've installed all gstreamer stuff :P
[05:48] <lathiat> ah nice
[05:48] <lathiat> does muine work?
[05:48] <lathiat> probably a gstreamer bug
[05:48] <lathiat> file a bug ;p
[05:49] <Seveas> \sh, must be a gcc4 thing, I see i was using a hoary chroot here
[05:49] <Seveas> will work on it
[05:50] <slomo> lathiat: muine and every other gst application works fine ;) and how shall i describe the bug? "it crashes after some time"? ;) well, i'll run it through gdb later... when the panel doesn't crash anymore...
[05:50] <\sh> Seveas: ok :)I
[05:55] <slomo> \sh: when i don't get a mail from katie after uploading... what does that mean? ;) why don't i get a REJECT?
[05:58] <Yagisan> anyone here notice that on hoary amd64, mplayer and mencoder can't detect SSE support, so it gets disabled
[06:02] <\sh> slomo: then u r not whitelisted or u used the wrong email address in the changelog etc.
[06:04] <slomo> \sh: mail address was ok and i normally get mails from katie when someone else uploads something for me... so i can assume elmo hasn't added me yet?
[06:04] <\sh> slomo: u should get a rejected
[06:06] <slomo> \sh: weird... who can i ask because of that? elmo, lamont and infinity?
[06:06] <\sh> elmo
[06:07] <\sh> or try lamont
[06:07] <slomo> ok, done
[06:14] <Yagisan> is it possible to set up pbuilder to use distcc or ccache to speed it up ? I already have it unpack in to RAM to ease disk access,
[06:14] <Yagisan> but I'd like it to go quicker if possible
[06:17] <\sh> uploading new gajim version to revu
[06:18] <siretart> \sh: upload dnspython to ubuntu, too, if you are at it
[06:21] <\sh> siretart: i need 3 ,-)
[06:21] <siretart> \sh: you are motu, and count
[06:21] <siretart> :)
[06:21] <\sh> really?
[06:21] <siretart> I really don't see problems with it
[06:21] <\sh> i don't want to bend the rules
[06:22] <siretart> it's a NEW package after all, and I think dholbach agreed with that
[06:22] <\sh> cause dholbach is also waiting for 3 ,-)
[06:22] <siretart> yes?
[06:22] <siretart> hm
[06:22] <siretart> lets ask ogra when he returns
[06:23] <\sh> hmmm
[06:23] <\sh> I should put dnspython to suggest and not an install dep
[06:23] <\sh> in gajim
[06:23] <siretart> isn't it needed for operation?
[06:23] <\sh> no..I will make some things easier
[06:24] <\sh> s/I/it/
[06:57] <zanaga> ok, who do i bug to get NetworkManager fixed. There is a fix in the BTS, it just needs to be applied and rebuilt: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13070
[07:01] <siretart> zanaga: thom
[07:03] <eruin> is anything going on with networkmanager?
[07:03] <zanaga> i just asked ;)
[07:04] <zanaga> apparently we need to bug thom about getting bugzilla #13070 fixed
[07:05] <eruin> severity: blocker imho ;-)
[07:14] <Yagisan> deng has been corrected with regards to fhs. Anyone want to give it a once over and advocate it ?
[07:16] <Seveas> \sh, in a clean breezy chroot, the current steghide package is FTBFS too...
[07:17] <Seveas> so it's not the libjpeg things that break it
[07:26] <\sh> Seveas: no gcc4
[07:26] <\sh> Seveas: u r welcome to fix it ,-)
[07:27] <Seveas> \sh, what do you mean bu that? 'gcc4 not used' or 'not compatible with gcc4'?
[07:27] <\sh> Seveas: it's not cleanly coded...fix the gcc4 build issues :)
[07:27] <Seveas> capiche
[07:27] <\sh> it's a gcc4 issue..which has to be fixed
[07:27] <Seveas> I'll try
[07:27] <Seveas> There is a half-baked patch in debian/patches
[07:30] <slomo> \sh: njam has a broken desktop file ;) "MimeType=text/xml;text/x-dtd;text/x-xds;"
[07:32] <\sh> grmpf
[07:32] <\sh> I'll delete this
[07:32] <\sh> I don't need a mime type
[07:33] <\sh> let me enhance gajim right now ;)
[10:05] <Yagisan> all deng-* uploads have been completed, they should be fine. All they need now are some advocates.
[10:19] <hub> hi
[11:07] <bz0b> hey guys
[11:36] <rbelem> hey ogra
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[11:24] <Mithrandir> fabbione: seems like the kernel is happy now:
[11:24] <Mithrandir> : tfheen@vawad ~ > grep -E '(bio|biovec-1)\>' /proc/slabinfo
[11:24] <Mithrandir> biovec-1 371 450 16 225 1 : tunables 120 60 0 : slabdata 2 2 0
[11:24] <Mithrandir> bio 343 403 128 31 1 : tunables 120 60 0 : slabdata 13 13 0
[12:13] <fabbione> Mithrandir: cool
[12:14] <fabbione> i am back to lay the floor.. missing only 2 sq meter
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| 2005-08-26T00:00:00 |
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"authors": [
"Mithrandir",
"fabbione"
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"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2005/08/26/%23ubuntu-kernel.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-kernel"
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2005-08-26-#ubuntu-doc
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[08:29] <rob^> Madpilot, did you end up writing that introduction blurb for the FAQ Guide?
[08:30] <Madpilot> rob^: it's half done, I'll stick something up to the doc-list in a couple of hours
[08:30] <rob^> ok cool
[08:30] <rob^> I'm going to open the FAQ Guide for review in the next few days
[08:39] <Burgundavia> http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/
[08:39] <Burgundavia> I need to work on the quicktour
[08:40] <Madpilot> cool. Hi, Burgundavia. You have net access again?
[08:40] <Burgundavia> yes
[08:41] <Burgundavia> trying to install breezy now
[08:41] <Burgundavia> first cd I burned didn
[08:41] <Burgundavia> 't boot, 2nd freezes at install
[08:41] <Madpilot> md5sums are your friends
[08:41] <rob^> or you can just use the verify thing on the cd
[08:42] <Burgundavia> the iso I downloaded is md5 correct
[08:42] <rob^> been a bit of talk about it lately on -devel mailing list
[08:43] <Burgundavia> so the next Ubuntu conference is in Montreal
[08:49] <Madpilot> http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20050814
[08:51] <Burgundavia> those are really gnome bounties
[08:51] <Madpilot> what, including the atomic wedgie one? ;)
[08:51] <Burgundavia> all the others
[08:51] <Burgundavia> I wish
[10:21] <Burgundavia> rob^, for the text editing stuff, I recommend alt-f2 to get run applications and then gksudo gedcit
[10:22] <rob^> most of the time people are in the terminal anyway
[10:22] <rob^> i just used a regex to replace vim with gedit
[10:22] <Burgundavia> but if you are launching a gui app, might as well make it fully gui
[10:23] <rob^> yeah, it neither here nor there though
[10:23] <Burgundavia> both are a total hack
[10:23] <rob^> yep
[10:23] <rob^> I'm gonna release it for review shortly
[10:24] <rob^> bbl
[10:56] <rob^> Madpilot, whats your full name?
[10:58] <mdke> rob^, you know that you don't have to release the whole thing for review at the same time, you can just mark the relevant sections "review" when you think the writing has finished. if sections need more writing you can mark them "help" and people will be able to help out
[10:58] <rob^> thats just it, the thing is just about finished
[10:58] <rob^> and ready for review
[10:59] <rob^> the only thing I am waiting for is a small introduction paragraph from Madpilot
[11:00] <mdke> ok if you want to do it like that
[11:07] <rob^> once I start marking things for review, what happens?
[11:08] <mdke> all sections should be marked as to what stage they are, so that people can see what needs doing, and contribute
[11:08] <mdke> i've been wanting to do some doc work for a while, so when some sections are marked for review, I will start doing some reviewing
[11:09] <mdke> when a section has been reviewed, it is marked as "finished" and when the whole document is finished, it is ready for release
[11:09] <rob^> they are all ready as far as I can see
[11:09] <rob^> cool
[11:11] <mdke> great
[11:11] <mdke> sooner you mark em, sooner we can help
[06:18] <Burgundavia> morning rob^
[06:18] <Burgundavia> morning robitaille even (bloody nick completion)
[06:22] <robitaille> yeah...these long nicks are a killer if someone else has a shorter nick :)
[06:28] <Burgundavia> robitaille, do you REJECT or DISCARD spam on -ca?
[06:31] <robitaille> Burgundavia: I think I tend to discard. But I have no idea what is the difference between the two.
[07:09] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: i see you have a job again
[07:57] <highvoltage> channel has been quiet. how are things in ubuntu-doc-world?
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2005-08-26-#ubuntu
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[12:00] <c0rrupt_> a
[12:00] <efigyidol> Hello
[12:00] <sorin> sedat: with the arrow keys go to mic
[12:00] <c0rrupt_> wtf spam
[12:00] <LinuxJones> BTJustice, did you load the snd-emu10k series of modules ?
[12:00] <aeruder> Grat: i'm talking to freenode peops about it
[12:00] <sedat> sorin: I did
[12:00] <sorin> sedat: and if it says MM on top of the collumn press m
[12:00] <zoexi> Can anyone reccomend a good hardware compatability database? I want to buy a usb wireless adaptor, and I don't want too many problems with it.
[12:00] <leo_> now i setuped testing my host www.myanandar.com
[12:01] <BTJustice> LinuxJones: Yes sir.
[12:01] <sorin> sedat: "MM" means muted
[12:01] <leo_> can anyone see it or not!
[12:01] <BTJustice> LinuxJones: Is there a way to ckeck to be sure?
[12:01] <sedat> sorin: I did
[12:01] <efigyidol> are you there bob2?
[12:01] <token> is your mic working in other applications?
[12:01] <sedat> sorin: pardon
[12:01] <LinuxJones> BTJustice, yes lsmod | grep snd
[12:01] <sedat> sorin: it is on top
[12:01] <sedat> sorin: not mute
[12:01] <johnio> heh
[12:02] <sorin> sedat: so it wasen't muted ???
[12:02] <sedat> token: no it doesnt
[12:02] <sedat> sorin: no it wasnt
[12:02] <leo_> hello
[12:02] <BTJustice> LinuxJones: I don't see it listed. How do I load it?
[12:02] <LinuxJones> BTJustice, I will put them pn pastebin 1 sec
[12:03] <BTJustice> LinuxJones: ok
[12:03] <efigyidol> can someone please tell me what the X Video Mode extensions headers package is called?
[12:03] <sorin> sedat: have you used the mic before with linux ?? .. .what sound card do you have
[12:03] <sorin> sedat: is it the classic AC97 ?
[12:03] <leo_> hello, can anyone reply my msg ?
[12:03] <Grat> sorin: he already said it works under windows
[12:03] <ninjafish> leo do you have a question?
[12:03] <Grat> leo_ whats your question?
[12:04] <reiki> anyone using SpamAssassin with Evolution actually get it to MARK mail? I can't get it to rewrite headers. Also it appears to be ignoring directives in local.cf and user_prefs.
[12:04] <sedat> sorin: no I didnt use it under linux and yes it is AC97
[12:04] <sorin> Grat: why don't you give him the solution if you know so mutch ?
[12:04] <leo_> i setup testing web www.myanandar.com that is only 1 page.
[12:04] <leo_> can anyone see it?
[12:04] <Grat> sorin: im just saying what he allready said
[12:05] <LinuxJones> BTJustice, these are the modules that I have loaded (from lsmod output) you load them using >> modprobe modulename
[12:05] <sorin> I know what he said you don't have to repeat it
[12:05] <LinuxJones> BTJustice, http://pastebin.ca/20573
[12:05] <sedat> easy man
[12:05] <Grat> so why do you ask for what he allready said?
[12:05] <Liquidfire> why isn't my flash working
[12:05] <Liquidfire> I installed it
[12:05] <Liquidfire> but when i try opening this site
[12:05] <sorin> he said it workes ...
[12:05] <Liquidfire> http://games.activision.com/games/wolfenstein/
[12:05] <LinuxJones> Liquidfire, did you close firefox then restart it ?
[12:05] <Liquidfire> is says plugins are missing
[12:05] <efigyidol> leo: no
[12:05] <Grat> leo_ i cant open it
[12:05] <Liquidfire> yes i did linuxboy
[12:06] <Liquidfire> LinuxJones,
[12:06] <somedude_> can i paste my partition yadda to se if its right?
[12:06] <reiki> Liquidfire: in Firefox?
[12:06] <Liquidfire> i'll try and reinstall it
[12:06] <sorin> but what if he has a soud card that has driver problems under linux ???
[12:06] <BTJustice> LinuxJones: Every one of them?
[12:06] <Liquidfire> yrs
[12:06] <Liquidfire> yes reiki
[12:06] <leo_> i can open in my box.
[12:06] <Grat> leo_ do you have a router?
[12:06] <leo_> what is my problem?
[12:06] <reiki> Liquidfire: and did you completely close firefox after installing and restart firefox?
[12:06] <Grat> or your ISP is maybe blocking that port?
[12:06] <Mr-Data> My letter "T" doesn't work in epiphany's search box or address bar. Any ideas why?
[12:07] <LinuxJones> Liquidfire, put them in your /home/user/.mozilla/plugins directory
[12:07] <leo_> no, i directly connect with cable modem
[12:07] <sedat> sorin : I am sorry but my sound card is Sis
[12:07] <sedat> sorin : not AC97
[12:07] <Grat> leo_: could you try changing you webserver port to something like 8000 or 8080?
[12:07] <sorin> sedat: ok.. maybe there is a problem with the drivers for sis ...
[12:07] <leo_> ok
[12:07] <thierry> how can I record in a file a online fm radio ?
[12:07] <LinuxJones> BTJustice, not sure which ones most should get loaded automatically do lsmod after each you add until they are all loaded
[12:07] <leo_> how can i restart apache
[12:07] <leo_> i mean command
[12:08] <BTJustice> LinuxJones: WARNING: Error inserting snd_hwdep (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/sound/core/snd-hwdep.ko): Operation not permitted
[12:08] <BTJustice> WARNING: Error inserting snd_rawmidi (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/sound/core/snd-rawmidi.ko): Operation not permitted
[12:08] <BTJustice> WARNING: Error inserting snd_hwdep (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/sound/core/snd-hwdep.ko): Operation not permitted
[12:08] <BTJustice> WARNING: Error inserting snd_rawmidi (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/sound/core/snd-rawmidi.ko): Operation not permitted
[12:08] <sorin> I haven't had any problems of this sort so I can't help you there
[12:08] <BTJustice> FATAL: Error inserting snd_emu10k1 (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/sound/pci/emu10k1/snd-emu10k1.ko): Operation not permitted
[12:08] <Grat> leo_ one second
[12:08] <BTJustice> FATAL: Error running install command for snd_emu10k1
[12:08] <leo_> ok
[12:08] <sorin> sedat: I haven't had any problems of this sort so I can't help you there
[12:08] <Grat> leo_: apachectl restart
[12:08] <LinuxJones> BTJustice, ok firstly don't paste in the channel, you need to sudo -s first to get a root terminal
[12:08] <sedat> sorin : thank you anyway
[12:08] <sorin> sedat: If you want to use skype it's trekey because it dosen't suport alsa
[12:09] <Zartan> Could somebody say what is right driver for Logitech QuickCam Express - webcamera? I have tried get it running right but I didn't find instructions by english.
[12:09] <somedude_> oh yea, is there a command to see what services are listening??
[12:09] <somedude_> lsof?
[12:09] <sorin> sedat: so you have to install oss emulator (or something like that)
[12:09] <Grat> somedude_: netstat -anp?
[12:09] <sorin> sedat: i have kde and skype suports arts
[12:09] <sedat> sorin : I have aquestion about thar
[12:09] <somedude_> Grat, worked! thanks.
[12:09] <sedat> sorin : when I open sound settings I have 2 options
[12:09] <Grat> somedude_: no problem ;>
[12:10] <somedude_> i guess ill be a regular in here.. !!!! :)
[12:10] <somedude_> talk about beeing spoon-feed! ;)
[12:10] <Grat> ah
[12:10] <Grat> i like such support channels
[12:10] <efigyidol> leo: apachectl graceful
[12:10] <sedat> sorin : one SIS S17012 Alsa Mixer
[12:10] <somedude_> true!!
[12:10] <Grat> when i ask for something i usualy get "man netstat"
[12:10] <Grat> :>
[12:10] <BTJustice> LinuxJones: http://pastebin.ca/20574
[12:11] <sedat> sorin: other Realtek ALC203 rev 0 OSS mixer
[12:11] <efigyidol> leo: graceful is a nice way to reload apache with less down time.
[12:11] <sedat> sorin: what is the difference and which one I have to use
[12:11] <sorin> sedat: what version of skype do you have ?
[12:11] <LinuxJones> BTJustice, that's not good the modules are borked for some reason
[12:12] <reiki> ok... embarassing question... I can't find how to STOP spamd :) anyone?
[12:12] <sedat> sorin: the last because I just download it
[12:12] <bender_> so ya
[12:12] <BTJustice> LinuxJones: Am I screwed?
[12:12] <sorin> I am asking because I don't have sutch a option ...
[12:13] <LinuxJones> BTJustice, mine are workign fine, are you sure the soundcard is properly in it's pci slot ?
[12:13] <sorin> sedat: where is it
[12:13] <sorin> ???
[12:13] <BTJustice> LinuxJones: Yes and it works fine in WIndows XP
[12:13] <sorin> sedat: do you know what alsa and oss are ?
[12:14] <sedat> sorin: not exactly but it is about sound server or something
[12:14] <LinuxJones> BTJustice, do you have another onboard sound device on your motherboard ?
[12:14] <BTJustice> LinuxJones: Yes and it is compeltely disabled.
[12:14] <senile_implant> hello ubuntuers
[12:15] <jp> howdy
[12:15] <RichiH> is the spamfest over?
[12:15] <sedat> sorin: I configured oss because I had difficulties about sound in totem etc.
[12:15] <d2dchat> is there any program in linux that can open up ai (adobe illustrator) files?
[12:16] <LinuxJones> BTJustice, you know what the modules are snd-emu10k1 not snd_emu10k1 (just change the underscore _ with a dash -
[12:16] <LinuxJones> d2dchat, thegimp maybe ?
[12:16] <sedat> sorin: my problem is not about skype I think it can be about microphone because it is embeded in laptop or about these sound server or whatever
[12:17] <d2dchat> im looking through the file associations
[12:17] <d2dchat> and im not sure it does
[12:17] <d2dchat> ill download a test file and see
[12:17] <sorin> sedat: so it's a laptop ... whell then you might have problems just with that.....
[12:17] <BTJustice> LinuxJones: http://pastebin.ca/20578
[12:17] <LinuxJones> d2dchat, that's a graphics program right ?
[12:17] <d2dchat> Adobe Illustrator?
[12:17] <sorin> sedat: laptops have sometimes problems with drivers ...
[12:18] <d2dchat> yes, its a vector gfx program
[12:18] <leo_> i type in terminal like this: apachectl graceful
[12:18] <senile_implant> LinuxJones, illustrator is mostly vector based so i doubt the gimp would be able to do much with it
[12:18] <leo_> but not working
[12:18] <sorin> sedat: if it worked on win there should be no problem...
[12:18] <leo_> i did mistake
[12:18] <LinuxJones> BTJustice, that's retarded :(
[12:18] <Grat> leo_: what error?
[12:18] <sedat> sorin, it worked on win
[12:18] <BTJustice> LinuxJones: Welcome to my hell
[12:18] <sorin> sedat: i encourage you to search for similar problems on the same laptop modell
[12:18] <LinuxJones> senile_implant, It was a shot in the dark :)
[12:18] <confrey> hi everybody
[12:18] <sorin> sedat: meaning mic not working...
[12:18] <Grat> ellow confrey
[12:18] <sorin> good luck
[12:19] <senile_implant> LinuxJones, yeah if anything the gimp would be the one to open it, but i have my doubts
[12:19] <confrey> how can I load realtime module? I get 'invalid parameter'
[12:19] <topyli> d2dchat: inkscape should be able to open them
[12:19] <LinuxJones> BTJustice, although it is not a good way to fix it but a re-install might be the best answer
[12:19] <sedat> but I think no one using ubuntu on this machine not linux either
[12:19] <leo_> i want to restart apache cos i changed port 80 to 8080
[12:19] <BTJustice> LinuxJones: That's what I was thinking. It sucks, but I am out of options.
[12:19] <sedat> exactly mic not working
[12:20] <LinuxJones> BTJustice, there is no reason for those modules not being able to be loaded
[12:20] <H0lyD4wg> what is the right way of installing a different version of a package that exists in the repositories? (e.g. newer versions of programs, emacs-bidi instead of plain emacs etc.)
[12:20] <leo_> i dont know how to reload apache fastly
[12:20] <sedat> sorin, anyway thank you very much for your help
[12:20] <leo_> i don't want to restart computer
[12:20] <jkossen> leo_: /etc/init.d/apache2 reload
[12:20] <leo_> ok
[12:20] <BTJustice> LinuxJones: Alright, I'll do a reinstall. Thanks for your help.
[12:21] <trozoid> hello
[12:21] <LinuxJones> BTJustice, good luck
[12:21] <jp> leo_ sudo apache2ctl-graceful
[12:21] <BTJustice> LinuxJones: We'll hope, lol.
[12:21] <LinuxJones> :)
[12:21] <jp> that's the faster way to do that
[12:21] <six2one> is anyone in here an avit wine user?
[12:21] <six2one> avid*
[12:22] <flugh> i'm a beer guy myself
[12:22] <senile_implant> i like white wine :)
[12:23] <six2one> haha
[12:23] <Styxxy> hi
[12:23] <senile_implant> yay only 5 days, 17 hours until this torrent is done lol
[12:23] <Styxxy> does anybody know of uli chipset 1695 and linux compatibility????
[12:24] <Ice9> why can I only play dvds with xine when I load xine through root? I gave my user all the privilidges listed
[12:24] <mactiny> how stable is colony 3
[12:24] <trozoid> works ok for me
[12:25] <mactiny> what else is still left to be done before final release
[12:25] <oonoon> the power management just holds when a laptop works on battery, doesn't it ? 'cause my computer shuts down by itself even when it is not working on its battery
[12:25] <mactiny> can we expect any theme tweaks
[12:26] <six2one> in col 3 i am having a prob getting apt to work right
[12:26] <synack> anyone using fluxbox?
[12:26] <six2one> there is some package manager running in the background and locking the dirs
[12:27] <six2one> ive reproduced this on 3 diff machines
[12:27] <leo_> i changed port 8080
[12:27] <Grat> synack i would if my mouse would work
[12:27] <Ice9> why can I only play dvds with xine when I load xine through root? I gave my user all the privilidges listed
[12:27] <leo_> can anyone see www.myanandar.com
[12:27] <Grat> leo_ i can se it
[12:27] <Grat> but you have to open it
[12:27] <Grat> www.myanandar.com:8080
[12:28] <Grat> your ISP probably has the port closed
[12:28] <aru> I installed enlightenment but it didnt add to the gdm menu, how do I add it?
[12:28] <LinuxJones> six2one, you have synaptic open and using apt from the command line at the same time ?
[12:29] <dazaro> Buenas
[12:29] <dazaro> COmo inicio shell en ubuntu?
[12:29] <dazaro> Gracias
[12:29] <leo_> do you mean people must type www.myanandar.com:8080 for my test site?
[12:29] <Grat> leo_ yes
[12:29] <somedude_> i want to install an http server is it "apt-get intall apache"????
[12:29] <Grat> port 80 is default, but it seems that your isp has it blocked
[12:29] <Styxxy> does somebody know of uli chipset 1695 and linux compatibility????
[12:29] <kemik> somedude_: yes, that or apaceh2
[12:30] <kemik> sp... :/
[12:30] <LinuxJones> somedude_, you can apt-cache search apache for a listing of all apache packages
[12:30] <Styxxy> google says nothing to that
[12:30] <Grat> leo_: contact them and ask them if they can open it for you (and then change port back to 80) or use that kind of name
[12:30] <somedude_> i got a million thingies?.. paste here?
[12:30] <leo_> how can i redirect port 80 being blocked by isp?
[12:31] <six2one> LinuxJones, thats just it, ubuntu runs some package manager from the get go on startup, i have no interaction from it..then when you login it says there are updates and when you try to update it says the dirs are locked.....also....all my TTY's EXCEPT 7 is gone, no display
[12:31] <H0lyD4wg> what should i do if i want to use custom-built versions of some packages?
[12:31] <LinuxJones> six2one, yikes
[12:31] <Grat> leo_: contact your isp and ask them about it
[12:31] <LinuxJones> six2one, that's colony 3 ?
[12:31] <oonoon> without 3d accel, ive got 150 FPS, thats very low isn't it ?
[12:32] <LinuxJones> oonoon, yeah fine for general desktop stuff but not for 3d games
[12:32] <six2one> LinuxJones, ive tried this on a xp 3200+ abit nf7 board, a 1.8 p4, and my 1.6 centrino thinkpad and same on all on them...yes its 3
[12:32] <leo_> if they don't do it, what i can do for it
[12:32] <bersi> ive got 170 FPS
[12:32] <oonoon> LinuxJones: when i launch a screensaver preview, the shit is slow like hell, i dont understand where does it come from (there're no heavy app running in the background)
[12:33] <leo_> can i use some ways like port redirection?
[12:33] <LinuxJones> six2one, apparently I won't be upgrading to colony 3 after all :)
[12:33] <xxx_> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[12:33] <Ice9> why can I only play dvds with xine when I load xine through root? I gave my user all the privilidges listed
[12:33] <Liquidfire> anyone a wiki on how to mount my ntfs
[12:33] <LinuxJones> oonoon, yeah it's probably a 3d screensaver
[12:33] <cyphase> LinuxJones, it still has a few bugs
[12:33] <Liquidfire> i want to read them
[12:33] <Liquidfire> =/
[12:33] <LinuxJones> cyphase, I can wait a few more weeks :)
[12:33] <cyphase> but it's great
[12:33] <cyphase> :)
[12:33] <cyphase> i have it on my dev machine..
[12:33] <six2one> LinuxJones, just wait...ive been testing all of them and they keep getting better and better...when breezy is out it will be sweet! aside from the apt issue..it feels totally stable
[12:33] <Grat> leo_: you can make an account on zoneedit, put your domain there and use the webforward option
[12:34] <cyphase> accessing it through VNC
[12:34] <cyphase> six2one, what's your favorite improvement :)
[12:34] <Grat> leo_: then they will forward your domain to http://yourip:8080
[12:34] <oonoon> LinuxJones: do we really need a 3000 FPS to run correctly a simple 3d screensaver ? (in fact, that's very slow even for 2d screensaver, like Matrix)
[12:34] <leo_> can i also use afraid.org?
[12:35] <d2dchat> how can i ftp via console
[12:35] <d2dchat> ?
[12:35] <Grat> leo_: i dont know if afraid has that option. i prefer zoneedit
[12:35] <leo_> ok, i will do
[12:35] <six2one> cyphase, i am not sure....its alot of stuff i guess....aside from gcc4 and what not, i would just say that its ubuntu how it should be, my thinkpad loves it and you cant go wring with debian
[12:35] <LinuxJones> oonoon, I am just guessing that's the problem, most monitors these days don't even need a screensaver.
[12:35] <cyphase> :)
[12:36] <Ice9> why can I only play dvds with xine when I load xine through root? I gave my user all the privilidges listed
[12:36] <LinuxJones> six2one, that's good news !!
[12:36] <cyphase> hoary was pretty user fiendly, but not quite enough for a newbie
[12:36] <cyphase> Breezy looks like it'll make it
[12:36] <Grat> leo_: i think if you ask the isp nicely they should open the port, if not call them every 2 hours for a few days and cry on the phone :>
[12:37] <six2one> as far as my opinion goes......its pretty much in my day to day life at work and what not...its ubuntu vs fedora vs free bsd/gentoo
[12:37] <aru> is there a gui to add new sessions to GDM?
[12:37] <cyphase> aru, i think so
[12:37] <cyphase> lemme check
[12:37] <topyli> d2dchat: there's gftp-text, or ncftp, or plain ftp, or many others. mc does ftp too
[12:37] <aru> cyphase: I can't seem to figure out what it is, XFCE added automaticly, but E didn't
[12:38] <six2one> i build alot of ltsp servers and out of the box fedora is best because i use ibm client access to connect to an as400, and my other servers are all bsd and im migrating to gentoo.
[12:38] <cyphase> beagle is nice too
[12:39] <cyphase> and it's only alpha
[12:39] <sedat> I installed java sdk and set path. When I use console everything is fine but when I try to run jar files from gui it says not installed jre. What can be wrong
[12:39] <six2one> my ltsp servers would be ubuntu if getting client access (RPM) installed with alien wasnt a hack job
[12:39] <topyli> cyphase: yeah beagle rocks
[12:39] <ninjafish> six2one bt can you deal with the gentoo and update build time
[12:39] <cyphase> topyli, instant updates..
[12:39] <cyphase> :)
[12:40] <topyli> yep
[12:40] <Webby`> I can't install Breezy. I get the following error: An error was returned while trying to install the intrid-tools package onto the target system. Check /target/var/log/bootstrap.log for details
[12:40] <Webby`> What do i do?
[12:40] <Webby`> How do i check that file?
[12:40] <ninjafish> dtd chat use the command ftp??
[12:40] <six2one> ninjafish, i do have time for that but i am interested in trying something other than bsd <----not a fun operating system
[12:40] <Quest-Master> Webby`: Do and md5sum check
[12:40] <six2one> jails kick ass though
[12:40] <penguin_roar> hi!
[12:40] <napsy> Hello. Is there any information ot the breezy status. Is it still broken or is it 'safe' to upgrade?
[12:40] <six2one> wait on breezy
[12:41] <cyphase> Webby`, have you reported it?
[12:41] <Webby`> Nope
[12:41] <Webby`> I can't log onto my comp
[12:41] <Webby`> I get a grub error now
[12:41] <Webby`> Error 17
[12:41] <LinuxJones> six2one, ubuntu is working hard on LTSP for Ubuntu, hopefully a stable release around the same time as Breezy
[12:41] <cyphase> uh, your on a computer now
[12:41] <cyphase> so report it :)
[12:41] <Webby`> Oh
[12:41] <Webby`> hehe
[12:41] <Webby`> How do I report it?
[12:41] <Webby`> I mean where?
[12:41] <cyphase> go to the ubuntu site
[12:41] <cyphase> you'll find it
[12:41] <cyphase> ubuntu.com
[12:41] <bender_> im
[12:41] <bender_> bord
[12:42] <Webby`> ok
[12:42] <ninjafish> bender only boring people get bored
[12:42] <bender_> i must really be borring
[12:42] <cyphase> napsy, breezy is still in Colony (alpha) 3. unless your willing to alpha test it and put up with the problems, don't install it
[12:42] <ninjafish> bender lol
[12:42] <napsy> ok
[12:42] <six2one> LinuxJones, ive been following that...it would be great news for me.....people might come in on monday and have ubuntu ltsp clients instead of xp machines and there isnt anything they can do about it
[12:43] <cyphase> :)
[12:43] <penguin_roar> does anyone know how you best setup profiles in linux?
[12:43] <Webby`> How do I check /target/var/log/bootstrap.log on my comp?
[12:43] <penguin_roar> Im setting up a really big linux terminal server
[12:43] <cyphase> anyone know when ubuntu is going to have full support for openMosix and Xen?
[12:43] <aru> gdmsetup doesn't actually let me add anything...
[12:43] <tristanmike> six2one, great job! good to hear :)
[12:43] <six2one> penguin_roar, how many clients/what will they be doing?
[12:43] <LinuxJones> six2one, that would be so funny :D
[12:43] <ninjafish> six2one I want the whole call center where I work to have linux, that will stop them messing up the machines
[12:44] <vladuz976> i remember there being a gtk application that showed you the name of the fonts to use to define int he term
[12:44] <vladuz976> anybody know
[12:44] <penguin_roar> six2one: surf, write letters and office stuff
[12:44] <cyphase> ninjafish, they had some kind of white paper at LinuxWorld about setting up a call center with LTSP
[12:44] <six2one> i have 2 nt servers left and they are leaving as soon as i get LDAP up and running
[12:44] <cyphase> including VoIP phones
[12:44] <ifr> Anyone using keychain to manage ssh passwords?
[12:44] <penguin_roar> six2one: about 500 users, pretty big in my world
[12:45] <cyphase> i can't wait until ubuntu has an easy http/dns/smtp server config
[12:45] <Ice9> why can I only play dvds with xine when I load xine through root? I gave my user all the privilidges listed
[12:45] <LinuxJones> penguin_roar, how may server are you using ?
[12:45] <LinuxJones> err many
[12:45] <cyphase> easy as in my dad could do it
[12:45] <ifr> cyphase: check apachefriends.org
[12:45] <cyphase> he's a technician, but servers, e knows nothing about
[12:45] <penguin_roar> six2one: i want to be able to have some settings from gnome, firefox and OO setup right from the moment their accounts are created
[12:45] <windex> penguin_roar, how many terminal servers are you configuring for those 500 users?
[12:45] <cyphase> ifr, you mean XAMPP, right?
[12:45] <Liquidfire> i've installed everything for dvd play
[12:45] <ifr> Yeah, that was it
[12:45] <Liquidfire> the region free libs
[12:46] <Liquidfire> but when i try to play one
[12:46] <ifr> Not easy enough?
[12:46] <Liquidfire> everything hangs
[12:46] <Liquidfire> :?
[12:46] <penguin_roar> LinuxJones: ill just add machines as the servers get overloaded, i use XDMCP load balancing and NX Server
[12:46] <cyphase> ifr, i've tried it, but it's better to use the default packages
[12:46] <cyphase> they just need to be a little easier
[12:46] <umboto> how do i change the gnome icon, the main menu foot icon
[12:46] <LinuxJones> penguin_roar, cool
[12:46] <umboto> to something else
[12:46] <six2one> penguin_roar, thats a pretty big server....lol...mine are all pretty passive...i work at a tier 2 gm supplier and the terms are out in a bad enviroment (than god for via edens!!!) and its about 25 terms in each of 4 locations and they just sit in gnome with firefox and client access (telnet) running all day and the load is like always 0
[12:46] <six2one> for 500 you will want a few servers
[12:46] <ifr> cyphase, I know what you mean but for my dad having it all in one place was easier for him. . .
[12:46] <cyphase> instead of having to set up zones and such for dns, you just say "make mail.myserver.com point here"
[12:46] <windex> penguin_roar, there's a way to configure the defaults in each application under the share directories.
[12:46] <ifr> yeah I see what you mean.
[12:46] <cyphase> ifr, yea
[12:47] <six2one> although msi makes that opteron board that can have 64gb of ram now..lol
[12:47] <ifr> okay, going twice: anyone using keychain for ssh password mgmt?
[12:47] <penguin_roar> six2one: i suspect so, i have ran 40 concurrent users on a two plug server and that was over the top a bit
[12:47] <Xenguy> ifr: yes...
[12:47] <xsadikx> how do i install fonts on ubuntu?
[12:47] <ifr> Xenguy, great: got a couple of questions.
[12:47] <ninjafish> six2one, I would not use telnet anymore, why not use ssh?
[12:47] <Xenguy> ifr: but you should just ask your question instead of 'polling' :-)
[12:48] <ifr> xsadikx, make a directory called ~/.fonts and dump em in
[12:48] <xsadikx> ok
[12:48] <penguin_roar> windex: ok, i just hoped i could find a way to manage a couple of profiles
[12:48] <six2one> ninjafish, untill i get my P.O. for a new 80,000 iSeries....my as400 only runs telnet
[12:48] <six2one> :(
[12:48] <six2one> but the new ones run ssh
[12:48] <six2one> my box is 5/6 years old
[12:49] <ifr> Xenguy, yeah, I guess so. okay: I have a gentoo box I want to sign into and am wondering how this will work....I set it up on the ubuntu box with the pasword and over on the gentoo box with the password it expects and...And then my conceptualization falls apart
[12:49] <penguin_roar> windex: but i guess i can use file rights to choose what setup different groups of users see
[12:49] <windex> penguin_roar, you can also set up a dummy user, configure their settings, then copy all the '.' folders into the skeleton that adduser uses
[12:49] <six2one> with a single power pc 733 or something
[12:49] <cyphase> who here that's tried Colony 3 thinks that it's a good choice for a newbie windows user?
[12:49] <windex> penguin_roar, you can also write your own scripts to manage multiple skeleton accounts.
[12:49] <six2one> it will be a good choice
[12:49] <six2one> when its official
[12:49] <cyphase> yea
[12:49] <cyphase> that's what i meant :)
[12:49] <six2one> haha
[12:50] <Xenguy> ifr: I just use keychain to manage agents on my local box, so not really sure
[12:50] <ninjafish> cyphase a newbie should not use beta software really
[12:50] <cyphase> Add/Remove Programs is muuuuch better
[12:50] <penguin_roar> windex: i used /etc/skel on my previous server and it worked pretty well except when i want to change a setting for all the users at the same time
[12:50] <cyphase> ninjafish, i know
[12:50] <cyphase> i meant to say when it's final
[12:50] <ifr> AH. Thanks. Anyone know how I can use an ssh agent through keychain to log into ssh servers (on another box) without a password
[12:50] <ifr> ?
[12:50] <six2one> the ONLY hardware related problem i had is that this crappy ifeel mouse thats super crappy...its scroll doesnt work
[12:50] <cyphase> oh, good
[12:50] <windex> penguin_roar, if you know what file you want to edit, you can make a shell script to locate the files and make the change on all the profiles.
[12:50] <cyphase> i thought it was only me :)
[12:50] <Xenguy> ifr: read the documentation tho - you can do that kind of thing (IIUC) on remote boxen
[12:51] <oonoon> the cdplayer of ubuntu is a disaster, worse than win media player; crashs all the time
[12:51] <penguin_roar> windex: i think i will try using the files in /usr/share this time
[12:51] <cyphase> six2one, do you have any X problems?
[12:51] <vladuz976> Main normal text font; resource font. <--anybody know where that resource is?
[12:51] <windex> penguin_roar, might be better. those defaults are used unless the user has overridden them, typically
[12:51] <ninjafish> I think that the newbie finds windows easier becuase it is already installed and configured when they buy the pc.
[12:51] <ifr> Xenguy, yes, I've read it but it gets awfully confusing for me at the junction of the two machines!
[12:51] <cyphase> everything has a kind of shadow across the screen
[12:51] <cyphase> ninjafish, i second that
[12:52] <Xenguy> ifr: nod - it takes a while to grok those interactions
[12:52] <ifr> :)
[12:52] <six2one> cyphase, umm...you know....kinda.....when its booting up...it like dies on TTY7 where it should be and if i filp through 1-6 once and then go back to 7 its fine...i had the problem with col 2 and 1 that when you use apt x dies hard after restart
[12:52] <ifr> I'll install on both and come back when it's in tatters and try to get it going; thanks Xenguy
[12:52] <ninjafish> if my laptop came configured correctly with linux I would probably complain becuase XP does not have the drivers for my wierd network hardware and sound card
[12:52] <Xenguy> ifr: hehe - have fun
[12:53] <penguin_roar> windex: thanks man, i really should write a howto when im done about this, not much info on this on the net
[12:53] <Xenguy> ifr: P.S. I suspect that googling this might yield some good clues for you
[12:53] <xsadikx> i want to install a irssi theme like this one: http://www.irssi.org/themes/screwer.png but i dont have that font.. i dunno what font that is but it looks nice.. where can i get fixed width fonts like terminal?
[12:53] <cyphase> six2one, any install problems
[12:53] <windex> penguin_roar, that's true for any mass thin client installation.
[12:54] <cyphase> the ncurses interface stopped at 83% for me, so i went to tty4 (the plain text output)
[12:54] <cyphase> i'm writing a review at the moment
[12:54] <windex> penguin_roar, and it's been true all the way back to the days of wise text terminals.
[12:55] <cyphase> and it shows the password when you create the new user at install. better for newbies who will think it's broken
[12:55] <penguin_roar> windex: i have been fiddeling with citrix and its no piece of cake to setup either, linux is easier but lacks documentation
[12:55] <longfeather> hello, I have a problem with my keyboard (stops working, mouse is fine) while using Ubuntu and would like some guidance in regards to resources/solutions/ect
[12:55] <Ice9> why can I only play dvds with xine when I load xine through root? I gave my user all the privilidges listed
[12:55] <kemik> ninjafish: well, winxp is sort of easier than ubuntu though.. multimedia support as an example. multiple sounds etc
[12:55] <six2one> cyphase, yes..it tries to apt during the end of the install and freezes....and it wont unfreeze, then thats about the time i push the power button and restart and then it will boot to X and then thats why i suspect that could be the reason NO package managers will work in the giu/command line. it says the dirs are locked by another manager than is no where to be found
[12:56] <kemik> Ice9: use VLC or mplayer instead of totem :)
[12:56] <bender_> totem is way better
[12:56] <Ice9> kemik, they won't even read the dvd.. :/
[12:56] <cyphase> six2one, i didn't need to restart
[12:56] <kemik> totem is "teh suck"
[12:56] <cyphase> i just went to the plain text output to see it going
[12:56] <Ice9> I'm using xine anyways
[12:56] <penguin_roar> kemik: until you try sharing a stupid printer amongst a couple of computers, i was bitten badly at work on friday by that pile of ****
[12:56] <longfeather> I have not found any relevant info from google
[12:56] <windex> penguin_roar, the neat hacks, btw, are the ones to use the sun plug-and-go hardware under linux, where you just move a card around and it takes your session with you.
[12:56] <ninjafish> kemik true,
[12:57] <six2one> cyphase, i probably didnt either but i was out of nerves waiting
[12:57] <kemik> Ice9: what sort of dvd is that? i've not come across much that neither mplayer/vlc would play
[12:57] <cyphase> lol
[12:57] <six2one> i changed to tty 4 and it was stuck there as well
[12:57] <Ice9> well I'm not sure if it matters, but when it mounts, its mounts cdrom0
[12:57] <cyphase> six2one, stuck on what?
[12:57] <kemik> ninjafish: even though ubuntu is getting better, it's not quite there yet (but most has todo with hardware support, and that's the manufacturers "fault" )
[12:58] <cyphase> did it say "Preconfiguring packages ..."?
[12:58] <penguin_roar> windex: havent sen that, i did ponder putting the users settings on usb sticks but gave it up since i want them to be able to access their desktops from computers that dont have usb support
[12:58] <ninjafish> I remember when MSDOS and win 3.1 was around. not to long ago. you had to mess with config.sys and autoexec.bat to get different things to run.(and networking was mental). I think that is where linux is at the moment in useability stakes
[12:58] <six2one> cyphase, the apt portion of the install, it was trying to download...i think it might have been the preconfigure
[12:58] <somedude_> ive tried to install and upgrade a SERVEr install of ubuntu.. now i tried apt-get install apache2 and got this error: Setting up apache2 (2.0.53-5ubuntu5.2) ...
[12:58] <somedude_> Errors were encountered while processing:
[12:58] <somedude_> linux-image-2.6.10-5-386
[12:58] <somedude_> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[12:58] <longfeather> I'm talking a toshiba satellite laptop, so I can't change keyboards...
[12:58] <kemik> ninjafish: well, it's not quite THAT bad...
[12:58] <tryingsomething> have a little thing keeping me from booting ubuntu - have it installed but tried installing booter on floppy - wont work
[12:59] <cyphase> six2one, at that point, i went back to the ncurses interface and kept pressing Ctrl+C, Ctrl+D, etc
[12:59] <kemik> ninjafish: remember how you setup like a gazillion boot-options to tweak some more memory out for certain apps etc ;)
[12:59] <windex> penguin_roar, the sun thin client stuff is $$$ anyway
[12:59] <johnio> hello
[12:59] <cyphase> six2one, it came up in a few sentences asking for my choice of dictionary
[12:59] <cyphase> seconds*
[12:59] <six2one> i hit ctrl c a few times then it "locked for 4 minutes"
[12:59] <longfeather> older model (3y old): 1800 series
[12:59] <ninjafish> kemik 640k was all you had and emm386 ahhhgg!!!
[12:59] <cyphase> where'd sentences come from..
[12:59] <kemik> ninjafish: and editing *anything* required reboot etc :)
[12:59] <tryingsomething> tried installing it on mbr just like it said - that didnt work either
[12:59] <nerp> wee
[01:00] <Varanger> hi!
[01:00] <penguin_roar> windex: yes, and from what i could see they arent that safe aither, i much rather have all the traffic encrypted with ssl and ssh
[01:00] <nerp> got E17 almost working properly
[01:00] <Varanger> how can I make Totem play MP3 files??
[01:00] <Varanger> It says it is unsupported...
[01:00] <nerp> Varanger: get the mp3 plugins for totem
[01:00] <ninjafish> varanger see the wiki on restricted formats
[01:00] <penguin_roar> nerp: you are my complete hero, i tried and burned like an iraqi oil field
[01:00] <somedude_> anyone??
[01:00] <Hoxzer> how can I check the specs of my comp
[01:00] <ninjafish> you need gstreamer stuff
[01:00] <cuk> good evening, have a problem about downloading with firefox, anybody can help?
[01:00] <nerp> penguin_roar: it's taken some time & effot
[01:00] <nerp> err, effort
[01:01] <johnio> I heard something about the restricted-modules being mounted in breezy, how does that work?
[01:01] <somedude_> Hoxzer, cat /proc/cpuinfo | less
[01:01] <topyli> Varanger: install gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:01] <oonoon> does someone know how to boot on console , not on X
[01:01] <penguin_roar> nerp, i wish some dist would take e17 under its wings
[01:01] <kemik> !mp3
[01:01] <ubotu> I heard mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[01:01] <longfeather> can anyone help with my keyboard prob?
[01:01] <somedude_> penguin_roar, do a server install
[01:01] <aeruder> oonoon: everytime or just once ?
[01:01] <somedude_> thats what i did
[01:01] <nerp> penguin_roar: it'll be a realease soon enough, I am just playing with it for now..
[01:01] <oonoon> aeruder : everytime
[01:01] <kemik> longfeather: you've got to supply more information than that...
[01:01] <nerp> going back to fluxbox until it gets past pre-alpha
[01:02] <johnio> i can't seem to modprobe nvidia, even though I got nvidia-glx and restricted-modules installed
[01:02] <aeruder> oonoon: go into /etc/rc2.d
[01:02] <aeruder> these are your startup scripts
[01:02] <penguin_roar> nerp: well im here jumping up and down
[01:02] <longfeather> sure thing, please advise what info is needed
[01:02] <nerp> penguin_roar: want a screen?
[01:02] <aeruder> rename S99xdm to _99xdm and any other offending *dm's ;)
[01:02] <penguin_roar> nerp, please =)
[01:02] <bz0b> yo can someone see this?
[01:02] <cuk> i cannot download anything, even extensions, i would like to install opera, does anybody know how i could do it without using firefox?
[01:02] <nerp> sec
[01:02] <Varanger> topyli: Thanks!
[01:02] <johnio> hey bz0k
[01:02] <bz0b> hey
[01:02] <aru> how do I stop GDM from starting?
[01:03] <kemik> cuk: isnt opera in the repositories?
[01:03] <nerp> oh, here's something funny too:
[01:03] <bz0b> brb
[01:03] <longfeather> this issue is like a phantom - seems to happen more often when I am running apt-get or the synamtic package manager
[01:03] <nerp> Windows: a 32 bit shell for a 16 bit task manager for an 8 bit os written for a 4 bit CPU by a 2 bit company that cant stand 1 bit of competition
[01:03] <Xenguy> aru: uninstall it?
[01:03] <aeruder> aru: look what i just told oonoon
[01:03] <Hoxzer> Somedude: well now it says "end" what button I should press cause ctrl + C isn't working
[01:03] <cuk> no
[01:03] <aru> aeruder: I just got here
[01:03] <aeruder> aru: oops, you came in after
[01:03] <aru> :)
[01:03] <aeruder> oonoon: go into /etc/rc2.d
[01:03] <SuperQ> anyone know how I can convince the installer to NOT use DMA on an IDE disk?
[01:03] <aeruder> these are your startup scripts
[01:03] <aeruder> rename S99xdm to _99xdm and any other offending *dm's ;)
[01:03] <longfeather> thing is that I cannot pinpoint the source/cause - no error message in the syslog, no indication or lead to follow
[01:03] <aeruder> (or S99gdm to _99gdm of course ;))
[01:03] <somedude_> Hoxzer, any button?
[01:03] <Xenguy> aeruder: why not just apt-get remove x/g/k/dm ?
[01:04] <cuk> unfortunately not
[01:04] <Hoxzer> Somedube: It says "log file" then
[01:04] <somedude_> Hoxzer, ESC?
[01:04] <oonoon> aeruder: what does the S mean ?
[01:04] <tryingsomething> anyone know why a floppy boot wont work?
[01:04] <aeruder> Xenguy: *shrug*
[01:04] <tryingsomething> is it because my install is on a sata drive?
[01:04] <somedude_> Hoxzer, lol i dont know..
[01:04] <aeruder> oonoon: it runs all the S##scripts in alphabetical order
[01:04] <Hoxzer> "logg file ssss press return
[01:04] <somedude_> Hoxzer, your keyboard is setup wrong???
[01:04] <longfeather> thought it might be a hardware/driver issue, it's really hard to start collecting any type of relevant info when I have no where to start
[01:04] <Xenguy> oonoon: just apt-get remove gdm
[01:04] <Hoxzer> Somedube: q worked out
[01:05] <cuk> firefox also crashes when i press ctrl+shift+tab
[01:05] <kemik> penguin_roar: well, windows has always been bitching with networks. a total mess :/
[01:05] <cuk> but the downloading is what bothers me
[01:05] <oonoon> Xenguy : i'm not talking about uninstalling gdm
[01:05] <aru> aeruder: yeah I have no idea what to do with any of that stuff
[01:05] <somedude_> Hoxzer, =)
[01:05] <tryingsomething> guess im gonna try another distro
[01:05] <aeruder> aru well apt-get remove gdm works too
[01:05] <ifr> Hey, how can I discover which protocol of ssh I'm using; I assume it's 2, but how can I tell?
[01:05] <flugh> anyone have a link to a postgresql 8.x repository for hoary?
[01:05] <Xenguy> oonoon: you want to boot to a console, yes?
[01:05] <longfeather> any ideas to gather more info would be appreciated
[01:05] <nerp> ok, snapping it now...
[01:05] <kemik> cuk: firefox been like that all the time?
[01:06] <somedude_> how do i install the linux kernel packeade???????
[01:06] <oonoon> Xenguy : indeed
[01:06] <somedude_> how do i install the linux kernel package???
[01:06] <aeruder> ifr: try the -2 option to ssh to force v2
[01:06] <cuk> yes
[01:06] <aeruder> ifr: if that works, it will be ssh v2
[01:06] <Xenguy> oonoon: I rest my case :-)
[01:06] <penguin_roar> kemik: tell me, i find bugs daily
[01:06] <kemik> cuk: maybe just remove your ~/.mozilla-firefox folder
[01:06] <aeruder> (it always tries 2 first)
[01:06] <ifr> Ah, thanks aeruder!
[01:06] <cuk> i mean it is a fresh install
[01:06] <oonoon> Xenguy : ok :)
[01:06] <kemik> cuk: oh.. damn :(
[01:06] <cuk> i upgraded
[01:06] <cuk> hehe
[01:06] <penguin_roar> somedude_: sudo apt-get install kernel-sources
[01:06] <ifr> Yep, 2 it is, Aeruder, thanks
[01:07] <aeruder> ifr: sure
[01:07] <cuk> kemik?
[01:07] <somedude_> penguin_roar, thanks!
[01:07] <six2one> is anyone here familiar with wine?
[01:07] <cuk> you don't like my name
[01:07] <somedude_> nope, didnt work penguin_roar
[01:07] <cuk> ?
[01:07] <kemik> cuk: if it's a fresh install and firefox is broken.. that's no good
[01:07] <somedude_> E: Couldn't find package kernel-sources
[01:07] <charles> anyone have rails + apache working?
[01:07] <Xenguy> six2one: that's called 'polling' - what is your actual question?
[01:07] <nerp> penguin_roar: http://gawth.org/code/ss1.jpg
[01:08] <cuk> well i had some trouble with a horrible cdma modem
[01:08] <penguin_roar> nerp, c3wl!
[01:08] <somedude_> aaaa a screenshot of mee and my Q!!!!!
[01:08] <penguin_roar> nerp: very neat indeed
[01:08] <cuk> if i could download opera i would be happy
[01:08] <somedude_> E: Couldn't find package kernel-sources
[01:08] <longfeather> kemic: any ideas?
[01:08] <penguin_roar> somedude_: wait
[01:09] <owtput> does anyone know if libstdc is part of the toolchain?
[01:09] <somedude_> ok penguin_roar!
[01:09] <owtput> ++
[01:09] <aeruder> somedude_: apt-get install kernel-sources-`uname -r`
[01:09] <kemik> longfeather: i've missed your question...
[01:10] <aeruder> or something along those lines :)
[01:10] <six2one> Xenguy, i installed the most recent wine yesterday on a diff machine and when i installed a program it automatically put a desktop shortcut to run the program...picasa2 for example...now it does not on my thinkpad..i installed the same way as i did before. how do i get wine to automatically create launchers for installed programs...
[01:10] <nerp> maybe import won't work under E17
[01:10] <somedude_> aeruder, if youre not sure pleeease let me know! >;)
[01:10] <LinuxJones> somedude_, ubuntu calls it linux-source
[01:10] <aru> if i go to remove gdm it says I need to remove ubuntu-desktop also
[01:10] <Xenguy> six2one: dunno - can you just manually create a launcher?
[01:10] <crimsun> very rarely do you actually need linux-source
[01:10] <ifr> Anyone have any idea about this: "The file named id_dsa.pub is your public key, which you should append to a file named ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the server" - they mean my user name on the remote box's ~/.ssh/authorized_user, right?
[01:10] <aeruder> aru: that's ok
[01:10] <aeruder> aru: just remove it
[01:10] <SuperQ> how do I get ubuntu to not use DMA on IDE?
[01:11] <somedude_> LinuxJones, apt-get install linux-source doesnt work
[01:11] <topyli> somedude_: the kernel-source packages are debian packages from universe. use linux-source-<arch>
[01:11] <crimsun> if you're compiling an external module, use linux-headers-$(uname -r) instead
[01:11] <aeruder> aru: ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage that just brings in a bunch of dependencies
[01:11] <longfeather> kemic: the issue is like a phantom, not showing any errors in the syslog, I can't think of anything to try to gather more info, any ideas?
[01:11] <aeruder> aru: apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop for more info
[01:11] <six2one> Xenguy, i am not sure because its a virtual windows drive and i donr know how to path it correctly
[01:11] <somedude_> topyli, <arch>?
[01:11] <LinuxJones> somedude_, apt-get install linux-source-$(uname -r)
[01:11] <crimsun> somedude_: what are you trying to do?
[01:11] <somedude_> LinuxJones, whats that on the end???
[01:11] <penguin_roar> somedude_: linux-source-2.6.10
[01:11] <aru> I don't want to destroy the machine, I just want to boot into E
[01:11] <kemik> longfeather: not really... :/
[01:11] <topyli> somedude_: your architecture. 686, k6
[01:11] <LinuxJones> somedude_, that will download the source for the kernel your running
[01:11] <Xenguy> six2one: hrm, not sure
[01:12] <somedude_> crimsun, install the apache package and it complains about the kernel package i thnk
[01:12] <zukalk> nerp, that screenshot.. is that enlightment?
[01:12] <nerp> zukalk: yes
[01:12] <topyli> somedude_: except the sources of course aren't for an achitecture. sorry :)
[01:12] <crimsun> somedude_: what package?
[01:12] <nerp> e17
[01:12] <longfeather> kemic: damn... thx anyway
[01:12] <LinuxJones> somedude_, goto terminal and type uname -r , it tells you the kernel version your running
[01:12] <six2one> Xenguy, wine works as should, it runs the programs..just no nice and clean launcher in the desktop...which IS different than a program shortcut cause ive seen both
[01:12] <crimsun> apache should not depend on linux-headers OR linux-source
[01:12] <somedude_> LinuxJones, E: Couldn't find package linux-source-2.6.10-5-386
[01:12] <penguin_roar> somedude_: do apache want the sources for the kernel?
[01:12] <zukalk> nerp, do you know how i can get it to show in the gdm logon screen? i apt-getted enlightment but i don't know how to use it
[01:13] <ifr> Anyone even Understand my last question/?
[01:13] <titanium> anyone familiar with proftpd? my server is behind a router and i'm having trouble getting active working. strangely enough, pasv works. with active i get 425 could not build data connection
[01:13] <aru> zukalk: I'm trying to figure out the same thing
[01:13] <Xenguy> six2one: I assume that somehow you need to find out and specify the path; that's about all I can suggest
[01:13] <leo_> can anyone show how to web forward in zoneedit cos port80 being blocked ?
[01:13] <LinuxJones> somedude_, apt-get update first
[01:13] <cafuego> titanium: active needs to have port 20 open
[01:13] <six2one> Xenguy, thanks
[01:13] <Xenguy> six2one: good luck
[01:13] <cafuego> titanium: (as well as 21)
[01:13] <zukalk> aru, i'm not alone then ;)
[01:13] <longfeather> another topic of interest: can anyone help with setting up IPSEC to secure a wireless connection?
[01:13] <LinuxJones> somedude_, that will update all the software packages in the ubuntu repositories
[01:13] <nerp> zukalk: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46105&highlight=E17
[01:14] <somedude_> after running apt-get update i did: apt-get install apache2 and get this: etting up apache2 (2.0.53-5ubuntu5.2) ...
[01:14] <somedude_> Errors were encountered while processing:
[01:14] <somedude_> linux-image-2.6.10-5-386
[01:14] <somedude_> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[01:14] <titanium> cafuego: my server is running on port 4096
[01:14] <zukalk> nerp, thanks
[01:14] <bender_> so ya
[01:14] <nerp> no prob
[01:14] <titanium> cafuego: and what do you mean 'open'
[01:14] <cafuego> titanium: then god knows what it does witha ctive connections
[01:14] <pcharky> Hello, can anybody help me get the line-in on my soundcard working?
[01:14] <crimsun> somedude_: that has nothing to do with linux-source or linux-headers, much as I suspected
[01:14] <penguin_roar> somedude_: looks as if something has broken in apt
[01:14] <somedude_> oh
[01:14] <somedude_> :(
[01:14] <LinuxJones> somedude_, your running the commands using sudo ?
[01:14] <somedude_> i did a server install?
[01:15] <somedude_> yeah
[01:15] <somedude_> im root!
[01:15] <penguin_roar> somedude_: try sudo apt-get check
[01:15] <ezsquirt> http://packages.debian.org i know that a similar page exists for ubuntu, but i can't remember url
[01:15] <somedude_> penguin_roar, it worked all "DONE"
[01:15] <crimsun> ezsquirt: packages.ubuntu.com
[01:15] <cafuego> titanium: By 'open' I'm implying you have a firewall.
[01:15] <somedude_> bender_, im in win with a sshd shell.. so that doesnt tell u anything!
[01:16] <titanium> cafuego: i dont
[01:16] <penguin_roar> somedude_: have you had apache2 installed previous?
[01:16] <somedude_> penguin_roar, no installed ubuntu a few hours ago
[01:16] <bender_> somedude_ i know. i just gota find another way to root then
[01:16] <bender_> lol kidding
[01:16] <somedude_> bender_, good luck!
[01:16] <ezsquirt> crimsun: how come its a dot com ? :) thx a bunch
[01:17] <bender_> nah i just started using this irc thing so im playing with commands
[01:17] <penguin_roar> bender_: you teaser
[01:17] <Arnia> packages.ubuntu.com
[01:17] <crimsun> ezsquirt: because it is.
[01:17] <penguin_roar> gawd i want the Futurama movie to be finished, right now!
[01:17] <b3nd3r> wai twait
[01:18] <b3nd3r> a MOVIE?!
[01:18] <b3nd3r> nooo dotn be lieing
[01:18] <aeruder> ahaha, the new glxgears doesn't have docs on ubuntu (at least not in the standard package, meybe there is a -doc package)
[01:18] <somedude_> have u givven up??? >;)
[01:18] <longfeather> IPSEC anyone?
[01:18] <penguin_roar> b3nd3r: yes, true
[01:18] <b3nd3r> omfg!!!
[01:18] <aeruder> so i did some grep with strings output on it because it no longer shows fps
[01:18] <b3nd3r> i just shit a brick
[01:18] <aeruder> glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark
[01:18] <aeruder> that is how you get fps again, hahahaa
[01:19] <penguin_roar> somedude_: if you do tail -f /var/log/syslog do you see anything while you do apt-get install apache2 ?
[01:19] <pcharky> Any alsa die-hards in here?
[01:19] <penguin_roar> somedude_: tail lets you watch files as lines are added in real time
[01:19] <somedude_> yeah, ill check
[01:20] <penguin_roar> b3nd3r: please tape it?
[01:20] <somedude_> penguin_roar, nope.. still nothing!
[01:21] <black13> i use built a 2.6 kernel and the thing boots insanly fast how did i screw up in reverse?
[01:21] <somedude_> can i paste my apt sources list to u in priv??
[01:21] <penguin_roar> glxgears -print is nice also
[01:21] <penguin_roar> benchmark that printer!
[01:22] <nerp[away] > somedude_: http://gawth.org/code/sources.list
[01:22] <cafuego> does glxgears have 'aa' output yet?
[01:22] <longfeather> can anyone help with ipsec?
[01:22] <penguin_roar> cafuego: hehe
[01:22] <zukalk> aru, have you tried that tutorial ?
[01:22] <pcharky> longfeather: I don't have a very lot of experience, but I'm willing to try :)
[01:22] <LinuxJones> longfeather, is there an ipsec channel on freenode ?
[01:22] <cafuego> penguin_roar: 'bb | lpr' would be the same ;-)
[01:22] <aru> zukalk: nope
[01:22] <penguin_roar> somedude_: try doing a google on the error message
[01:22] <somedude_> nerp[away] , its not even close to what i have in my sources list?
[01:23] <longfeather> pcharky: thanks!
[01:23] <nerp[away] > could be half the problem :P
[01:23] <somedude_> penguin_roar, ok.. thanks
[01:23] <pcharky> longfeather: so.. what's the problem?
[01:23] <corvus> i have a question
[01:23] <black13> LinuxJones hey i was able to build a working 2.6 kernel
[01:23] <longfeather> LinuxJones: haven't used IRC in years, is there?
[01:23] <LinuxJones> black13, that's a good thing to know
[01:23] <zukalk> aru, nerp gave a link. it looks good, but it's as if their apt repo is down. i can't download what it says to
[01:23] <LinuxJones> longfeather, let me check
[01:24] <nerp[away] > zukalk: use my sources
[01:24] <nerp[away] > zukalk: aru: http://gawth.org/code/sources.list
[01:24] <nerp[away] > sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:24] <nerp[away] > and replace with what I have in mine
[01:25] <zukalk> nerp[away] , i don't think it'll change anything. i added the nooms.de repo
[01:25] <zukalk> gonna try it anyway
[01:25] <somedude_> what is this: linux-image-2.6.10-5-386 (2.6.10-34.4)???
[01:25] <nerp[away] > zukalk: k
[01:25] <longfeather> pcharky: My goal is to secure my network traffic over a wireless connection. I want all traffic to be encrypted from my laptop to my hardwired linux box. All traffic goes thru a wireless router
[01:25] <somedude_> if its not the kernel then what?
[01:25] <pcharky> LinuxJones: You're pretty familliar with this channel i believe, do you know of somebody who could help me with an alsa problem?
[01:25] <nerp[away] > zukalk: remove your sources, add mine
[01:25] <nerp[away] > then save
[01:26] <nerp[away] > and then do sudo apt-get update
[01:26] <LinuxJones> pcharky, I suck with alsa but what card do you have ?
[01:26] <pcharky> longfeather: How far along the process of implementing this are you?
[01:27] <pcharky> LinuxJones: SB Live Audigy2.. output works fine, but line-in, and aux inputs don't do anything at all (got 'em all unmuted in alsamixer)
[01:27] <somedude_> aaaaaargh
[01:27] <rickt> anybody know when the updates for libcairo2 are going to be put out?
[01:27] <owtput> is there a localepurge type app in gentoo?
[01:27] <desrt> rickt; before october
[01:27] <somedude_> penguin_roar, didnt find anyghing usefull - this meaning ive got a crap install??
[01:27] <owtput> ie, automagically removes unwanted locale-specific manpages/info etc
[01:28] <rickt> desrt, hehe. it'll be before then
[01:28] <cafuego> owtput: try asking on the right channel
[01:28] <desrt> rickt; that's what i said. _before_ october.
[01:28] <zukalk> nerp[away] , seems to be working, thanks. it's downloading about 22MBs now
[01:28] <owtput> cafuego: sorry, this was the right channel.
[01:28] <LinuxJones> pcharky, that kind of stuff is beyond me :(
[01:28] <owtput> s/gentoo/ubuntu/
[01:28] <rickt> desrt, wow, you're like kreskin
[01:28] <cafuego> owtput: apt-get install localepurge, yes.
[01:28] <owtput> cafuego: i just saw gentoo mentioned on slashdot earlier
[01:28] <nerp[away] > zukalk: no prob
[01:29] <nerp[away] > I gotta go take a dump then get ready to go out
[01:29] <crazy2k> Hello. This is a rather stupid question but, my mom is using Ubuntu (she's far away from where I am now) and she's telling me she wants some tetris-like game. What instructions should I give her so she can get it? Using synaptic? Downloading and installing it in some other way?
[01:29] <nerp[away] > later y'all
[01:29] <zukalk> later
[01:29] <longfeather> pcharky: stuck on a lot of levels, have 2.6.8 kernal and want to use builtin ipsec, theory escapes me, I need to ask questions to understand how ipsec owrks
[01:29] <pcharky> LinuxJones: That's okay, thanks. Do you know anyone that does know about alsa stuff?
[01:29] <Ummmmm> anyone know of a good p2p app for linux?
[01:30] <seth_k> Azureus!
[01:30] <nerp[away] > Ummmmm: giFT, with apollon FE
[01:30] <rickt> crazy2k, this is linux. if it's not in the repo then she's shit out of luck. better tell her to reinstall windows
[01:30] <Ummmmm> nerp: sweet, thanks
[01:30] <nerp[away] > and Ares, fasttrack, gnutella and OpenFT plugins
[01:30] <nerp[away] > Ummmmm: make sure you set up the plugins and compile properly tho
[01:30] <LinuxJones> pcharky, Seveas and Crimson are very good they are very helpfull too
[01:30] <somedude_> yeah yeah, time is running aaway.. night night.. ill be back tomorrow to bother you!!! ;)))
[01:30] <LinuxJones> err Crimsun
[01:31] <somedude_> NITE NITE!!!!!!!!!
[01:31] <nerdy2> crazy2k, gnome-games has gnometris a tetris-like game
[01:31] <longfeather> pcharky: also want to set up using certs with both windows and linux clients connecting to a linux based box
[01:31] <pcharky> LinuxJones: Thanks, I'll ask him when he's back... he's probably in a bar right now having a good time.
[01:31] <LinuxJones> pcharky, I just drink @ home it's cheaper :)
[01:32] <ubuntu>
[01:32] <ubuntu> ?
[01:32] <topyli> i'll drink to that
[01:32] <crazy2k> rickt: What? There are lots of tetris-like linux games out there.
[01:32] <crazy2k> nerdy2: She doesn't like that one.
[01:32] <crazy2k> nerdy2: Should I tell her to download one from the Internet?
[01:33] <LinuxJones> crazy2k, jsut get her to serach for tetris in synaptic then doubleclick the game package then hit the "apply" button.
[01:33] <pcharky> longfeather: Is there any specific reason why you want to use ipsec over other vpn software? If there isn't any, I would suggest you take a look at openvpn. I use it a lot and it's really great. ;)
[01:33] <topyli> crazy2k: show her ltris
[01:33] <pcharky> longfeather: has a windows client/server as well.
[01:34] <crazy2k> LinuxJones: But she has the standard repositories. I don't think she'll find any tetris game there.
[01:34] <longfeather> pcharky: I'll check that out right now
[01:34] <cafuego> !find tetris
[01:34] <pcharky> lonewolff: http://openvpn.sf.net
[01:34] <cafuego> crazy2k: One comes with gnome and one with kde, at a minimum, afaik
[01:34] <crazy2k> She doesn't like that one, cafuego.
[01:34] <desrt> openvpn is the freakin shitnit
[01:35] <desrt> it's also the shiznit
[01:35] <cafuego> crazy2k: gnome-tetris would be installed byd efault
[01:35] <cafuego> crazy2k: Why not?
[01:35] <crazy2k> cafuego: I have no idea.
[01:35] <pcharky> longfeather: It's very flexible, safe, and easy/fast to setup.
[01:36] <cafuego> "It's not identical to the one I like" is one you wan't win.
[01:36] <longfeather> pcharky: installing as we speak...'
[01:36] <crazy2k> topyli: Again, I'm not home. She has to install it by herself.
[01:36] <LinuxJones> crazy2k, I never got into the whole tetris thing I am a frozen-bubble kind of guy :)
[01:36] <topyli> crazy2k: hrm. she would have to enable universe probably and install
[01:37] <corvus> i installed fluxbox on my ubuntu system, and i cannot find the menu configuration file. there is a file called "menu" in my .fluxbox directory, but it is empty. any ideas on where another file would be stored?
[01:37] <cafuego> Can't be harder than downloading an exe and installing that.
[01:38] <crazy2k> topyli: I remember I tried to find a tetris game in the standard repositories and didn't success.
[01:38] <topyli> !info ltris
[01:38] <ubotu> ltris: (very polished Tetris clone with CPU opponents), section universe/games, is optional. Version: 1.0.6-1.1 (hoary), Packaged size: 474 kB, Installed size: 1112 kB
[01:39] <topyli> crazy2k: in universe ^
[01:39] <pcharky> corvus: check the documentation section on www.fluxbox.org
[01:39] <corvus> pcharky: ok, thank you
[01:39] <dyce> can someone help me get my wlan ready?
[01:39] <Ummmmm> Here's a n00blet question: why is gcc not in my path and how do I go about fixing that?
[01:39] <cafuego> ssh to home and install it for her
[01:39] <cafuego> Ummmmm: it's not installed. Install it.
[01:40] <crimsun> build-essential
[01:40] <crazy2k> topyli: I don't know what that is. I enabled all the respositories that came with my installation.
[01:40] <cafuego> Ummmmm: Note that perhaps compiling stuff isn't a good idea, if you didn;'t know that answer.
[01:40] <Ummmmm> what for real?! wow I thought it would have been installed by default
[01:40] <Ummmmm> don't worry, I'm a programmer, just a n00blet at *nix
[01:40] <dyce> i got the zd1201 firmware files, now what?
[01:40] <cafuego> Ummmmm: Yes, my point exactly.
[01:40] <Ummmmm> everyone's gotta start somewhere :)
[01:40] <aeruder> Ummmmm: ubuntu is a desktop install, most people don't need nor want compilers ;)
[01:41] <Ummmmm> point taken. About time I got gcc installed then
[01:41] <topyli> crazy2k: you just didn't look hard enough to find ltris :)
[01:41] <cafuego> Ummmmm: A few simple rules: 1) Never compile what is packaged. 2) Source packages can be modified 3) /usr/local
[01:42] <cafuego> 0) Don't fix it if it ain't broken
[01:42] <dyce> anyoi need help with my wifi
[01:42] <dyce> i need*
[01:42] <Ummmmm> thanks cafuego. What did you mean by (3) /usr/local?
[01:43] <cafuego> Ummmmm: It might sound condescending, but we DO get people here with an apache source install, who claim they needed to compile it for php support.
[01:43] <Ummmmm> lol
[01:43] <cafuego> Ummmmm: if you install unpackaged files, install them to /usr/local, that way they won't interfere with files from packages.
[01:44] <jorgp> what do I need to do to install a printer in cups, what login/passwd do I use?
[01:44] <Ummmmm> ok is it a really bad idea to install to e.g. ~/software/somepackage?
[01:44] <topyli> Ummmmm: that's where you put stuff you compiled yourself. although i tend to make debian packages out of them and install in /usr :)
[01:44] <cafuego> Ummmmm: No, under $HOME is fine too. Just not to / or /usr basically.
[01:44] <pcharky> jorgp: use System->Administration->Printin
[01:44] <nox_ghost> where can i get the "backports" mirror? "planetmirror" is no longer working =\
[01:44] <Ummmmm> righty-oh, /usr/local/somepackage it is :) thanks
[01:44] <cafuego> !backports
[01:44] <ubotu> backports are applications with newer versions on a stable distributions. Ubuntu backports can be found in the hoary-backports section
[01:45] <nox_ghost> hmm, what do you mean by "hoary-backports section" ?
[01:45] <nox_ghost> oh, its that bot =\
[01:46] <cafuego> nox_ghost: basically, pick any other mirror.
[01:46] <crispynix-v6> ugh, kaffeine is still crashing on exit with latest breezy. wtf? :-/
[01:46] <nox_ghost> cafuego, yeah but i how do find a mirror to add?!
[01:46] <cafuego> nox_ghost: apt-setup
[01:46] <crazy2k> topyli: Would it be right if I told her to get the source or something? Hell, I wish installing applications wasn't this hard for a newbie.
[01:46] <nox_ghost> cafuego, thanx!!! i thought it works only in debian!
[01:46] <cafuego> nox_ghost: and archive.XX.ubuntu.com (where XX is a country code)
[01:46] <StickUpKid> hello, anyone knows what's the name of a column in the left right that told you the space in disk, your mail, your connections... (sorry my poor english)
[01:46] <jorgp> pcharky: doing it from commandline w/ lynx localhost:631
[01:47] <Edddie> Can someone help me mount some devices or just help me with fstab?
[01:47] <topyli> crazy2k: no, just apt-get install ltris, since you've enabled all the repositories
[01:47] <StickUpKid> hello, anyone knows what's the name of a column in the left right that told you the space in disk, your mail, your connections... (sorry my poor english)
[01:47] <Ummmmm> hmm su ain't working. Methinks it's becuase ubuntu disables root account. Me also thinks there's a way to accomplish same end using sudo, but me has forgotten what the command is...
[01:48] <topyli> StickUpKid: perhaps gkrellm
[01:48] <pcharky> jorgp: The webinterface is somewhat broken but if you have your root-account enabed (which is against ubuntu policy) you could try logging in with the root account credentials.
[01:48] <StickUpKid> yep that it is, thanks you very much indeed topyli
[01:49] <topyli> Ummmmm: "sudo command". or "sudo sh" for a login shell
[01:49] <dyce> hey guys i need help
[01:49] <flugh> i'm lazy and use 'sudo -s'
[01:49] <Ummmmm> or I could just click the new root shell icon :)
[01:49] <topyli> yeah :)
[01:49] <jorgp> pcharky: nm, I figured it out
[01:49] <pcharky> jorgp: alternatively you could add it with lpadmin.
[01:49] <flugh> no clicking when referring to shells ;)
[01:50] <Ummmmm> roflmao
[01:50] <nox_ghost> cafuego, well, i think thats not my problem
[01:50] <dyce> i need help with this tutorial
[01:50] <dyce> http://www.ubermeister.net/~reid/projects/zd1201/
[01:50] <flugh> "i clicked on the $, but my msn still won't work!! wtf?#!?
[01:50] <Flying-Penguin> how does vmware work on ubuntu?
[01:50] <topyli> heh
[01:50] <pcharky> Flying-Penguin: yes.
[01:51] <Flying-Penguin> pcharky: do you use it or know abought it?
[01:51] <pcharky> Flying-Penguin: I used it.. my trial expired :(
[01:52] <Flying-Penguin> pcharky: can I pm you something?
[01:52] <pcharky> Flying-Penguin: sure
[01:52] <dyce> can someone plz help me???
[01:52] <Ummmmm> I think I just did something silly. sudo -s, then in ~/software/gift_0.11.8.1.tar.gz_FILES did mv gift-0.11.8.1/ /usr/local ... now I can't find the directory I was trying to move!
[01:52] <Edddie> Can someone help me mount some devices or just help me with fstab?
[01:53] <pcharky> Edddie: Sure
[01:53] <cafuego> !info gift
[01:53] <ubotu> gift: (metapackage for the giFT filesharing system), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 0.11.8.1-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 0 kB, Installed size: 20 kB
[01:53] <dyce> can someone tell me where i can get support with ubuntu?
[01:53] <dyce> im guessing this isnt the place, ince no one replies :/
[01:53] <cafuego> Ummmmm: sudo apt-get install gift
[01:53] <Ummmmm> ah. coulda saved myself some hassle.
[01:54] <Ummmmm> thanks. Now where do I find that mislaid directory?!
[01:54] <cafuego> Ummmmm: Just enable the 'universe' and 'metaverse' repositories.
[01:54] <dabar> one sec, dyce.
[01:54] <Ummmmm> yes, have done -- just didn't realise it was available through apt-get
[01:54] <cafuego> Ummmmm: 'apt-cache search <string>'
[01:54] <cafuego> Ummmmm: ... or synaptic is handy for searching, too.
[01:55] <cafuego> Ummmmm: The dir is probably in /usr/local now.
[01:55] <Ummmmm> yeah yeah but I was trying to install it manually (in my ignorance) ... and it is not in /usr/local, I don't know where it went!
[01:55] <dabar> dyce: did you say please?
[01:55] <Ummmmm> ls
[01:55] <dyce> i said, "plz" if that counts
[01:56] <Ummmmm> err wrong window :) sorry
[01:56] <cafuego> Ummmmm: Did you run 'configure' ?
[01:56] <dabar> sure...
[01:56] <cafuego> Ummmmm: You can always run 'find / -name "*substring*"
[01:56] <dabar> lets see this tutorial, give me a asecond.
[01:56] <Ummmmm> I did (when I discovered I didn't have gcc) but then after installing gcc I wanted to move it to the right place before running ./configure again ... now I've lost it :(
[01:56] <dabar> No, I dont know anything about setting that up.
[01:56] <cafuego> dyce: You can get support here (free) or from Canonical (paid)
[01:57] <jorgp> what repos should I use to get transcode for breezy?
[01:57] <cafuego> Ummmmm: Hit arrow-up until the exact command is on the screen, then paste that command here.
[01:57] <cafuego> jorgp: hoary-extras afaik
[01:58] <jorgp> cafuego: that will work ok with breezy?
[01:58] <cafuego> jorgp: No idea.
[01:58] <Ummmmm> cafuego: thanks, I'm such a fscking idiot, moved it to /usr/lcal not /usr/local
[01:58] <dgibb> hi guys. when I run totem, and try to get it to play a dvd, I get the error: don't know how to handle audio/x-ac3
[01:58] <cafuego> jorgp: breezy is broken anyway.
[01:58] <cafuego> Ummmmm: <heh>
[01:58] <jorgp> cafuego: yeah some things are
[01:59] <longfeather> pcharky: re: openvpn, what do u recommend: routing or bridge ?
[01:59] <dgibb> any thoughts?
[01:59] <dbernar1> dgibb: installed dvd support? I think wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats will tell you how to do that.
[01:59] <pcharky> longfeather: I find routing easyest :)
[01:59] <Ummmmm> what's the *nix equivalent of the old-skool dos command deltree ?
[01:59] <dalamar> rmdir
[02:00] <dbernar1> Ummmmm: rm -r too, man rm.
[02:00] <dgibb> dbernar1: thanks, I'll look that up
[02:00] <dbernar1> sure you will,..sure you will...:)
[02:01] <crazy2k> Uhm. I tried to apt-get ltris but it's not in the repositories apparently. What should I do?
[02:01] <tiglionabbit> I just moved some directories from windows, and there's a lot of Thumbs.db and PREVIEW.PIX files in it. What's a good way of getting rid of all of them?
[02:01] <dbernar1> !info ltris
[02:01] <ubotu> ltris: (very polished Tetris clone with CPU opponents), section universe/games, is optional. Version: 1.0.6-1.1 (hoary), Packaged size: 474 kB, Installed size: 1112 kB
[02:02] <longfeather> pcharky: what benefits does bridging have over routing (if any)?
[02:02] <dbernar1> crazy2k: enable universe.
[02:02] <dbernar1> !repos
[02:02] <ubotu> [repos] at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[02:02] <Ummmmm> cafuego: thanks for all the help :)
[02:02] <aeruder> tiglionabbit: find . -type f -name "Thumbs.db" | while read line ; do echo rm -f "$line" ; done
[02:02] <Ice9> why can I only play dvds with xine when I load xine through root? I gave my user all the privilidges listed
[02:02] <aeruder> tiglionabbit: and remove the echo when you actually want to do it ;)
[02:02] <crazy2k> dbernar1: How?
[02:02] <crimsun> tiglionabbit: for i in Thumbs.db PREVIEW.PIX; do find . -name "$i"|xargs rm -f; done
[02:02] <aeruder> Ice9: did you log that user out and back in?
[02:02] <dbernar1> crazy2k: check out what ~ubotu, the bot told me when I said !repos
[02:03] <Ice9> yea
[02:03] <aeruder> crimsun: windows directories tend to have spaces in them
[02:03] <aeruder> crimsun: which can go terribly terribly wrong with yours ;)
[02:03] <knowledge> how do I use an install.sh file?
[02:03] <aeruder> sh install.sh'
[02:03] <aeruder> without the ' ;)
[02:03] <crimsun> aeruder: shouldn't be a problem since it's quoted.
[02:03] <pcharky> longfeather: with bridging the connected (single) computer acts as a member of the server's network, obtaining an ip address in the same subnet of the server's range. With routing, the client has to be in a different subnet than the server.
[02:03] <knowledge> aeruder: thank you kingly
[02:03] <knowledge> kindly*
[02:04] <aeruder> crimsun: no, it won't work, because xargs does not do line separated, it does space separated
[02:04] <aeruder> crimsun: so if you had a file called ./usr bin/Thumbs.db
[02:04] <aeruder> it would remove ./usr and bin/Thumbs.db
[02:04] <StickUpKid> i have just installed gkrellm by synaptic, but i can't find him in applications...how can i find him ?
[02:04] <marioch> Hello, I have a question about netapplet, how can I setup netapplet to request a new IP from dhcp server when I activate a wireless connection?
[02:04] <aeruder> you could probably imagine some ways that things could go terribly wrong
[02:04] <aeruder> perhaps
[02:04] <crimsun> aeruder: sure
[02:04] <aeruder> (although unlikely)
[02:05] <aeruder> crimsun: however, you can use -print0 on find
[02:05] <longfeather> pcharky: hmmm.... I think bridging is the way I need to go - I'll check that out further
[02:05] <aeruder> which makes it do NUL instead of line breaks
[02:05] <aeruder> and on xargs use the...
[02:05] <aeruder> -0 option
[02:05] <crimsun> or we could just use -exec ... '{}'
[02:05] <vader1102> anyone familiar with sound? I need to get my sound working in a game and also it mutes itself automagically upon reboot
[02:05] <jorgp> cafuego: what are you finding broken in breezy?
[02:05] <aeruder> true
[02:06] <tiglionabbit> crimsun: that's beautiful! Thank you
[02:06] <aeruder> crimsun: i generally prefer teh while read line ; approach for whatever reason
[02:06] <aeruder> jorgp: lots of stuff depends on libcairo1 instead of libcairo2
[02:06] <aeruder> :)
[02:06] <crimsun> aeruder: sure, six of a kind or half a dozen
[02:07] <pcharky> longfeather: I don't use bridging so i'm not sure if i can be of much assisting in you case. However don't hesitate to ask, you're welcome to pm if you like.
[02:07] <jorgp> aeruder: yeah, dont use gnome, so that does not bother me
[02:07] <aeruder> crimsun: the while read line approach is handy if you need to do several manipulations to each file
[02:07] <aeruder> crimsun: there's always about a billion ways to strings these things together :)
[02:09] <Ummmmm> hmm
[02:10] <aeruder> vader1102: any errors on the game?
[02:10] <vader1102> nope
[02:10] <Ummmmm> Right I've finally installed giFT (using the n00blet method, synaptic) ... but the process doesn't seem to be running. Where is it installed? Where do I find docs? How do I start the giFT daemon? What is the meaning of life?
[02:11] <StickUpKid> i have just installed gkrellm by synaptic, but i can't find him in applications...how can i find him ?
[02:12] <jack|ass> so is Breezy broken?
[02:12] <StickUpKid> oh i forgot, i'm noob
[02:13] <Concord_Dawn> !jailer
[02:13] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, Concord_Dawn
[02:13] <jack|ass> aeruder: ah, i was having the same problem. at least i'm not the only one. :)
[02:13] <iratsu> is tehre a simple way to upgrade a debian system to ubuntu?
[02:14] <crimsun> iratsu: sure, change the sources.list, update && dist-upgrade. Keep in mind this method is unsupported and will lead to problems.
[02:14] <iratsu> what kind of problems?
[02:15] <crimsun> iratsu: depends on the origin debian flavour.
[02:15] <iratsu> sid
[02:15] <crimsun> Sid? In that case, you'll be downgrading/crossgrading some packages.
[02:16] <crimsun> (That's asking for trouble.)
[02:16] <iratsu> ouch =\
[02:16] <jack|ass> upgrading to breezy is trouble-filled too at the moment. :(
[02:17] <crimsun> well, at least the Xorg modular transition is mostly complete
[02:17] <Concord_Dawn> anyone here use jailer?
[02:17] <crimsun> right now it's the Cairo one that's causing issues
[02:17] <Concord_Dawn> unreal_, you having a problem with UnrealIRCd, or is that just your pseudonym?
[02:18] <iratsu> i've been wanting to switch to ubuntu for a while and i thought now would be a good time since I just dist-upgrade'd and now X doesn't work anymore
[02:18] <trooper_> lol
[02:18] <jorgp> I upgraded to breezy no problems
[02:18] <unreal> Concord_Dawn: hmm?
[02:19] <Concord_Dawn> read what I said ;)
[02:19] <hardw1re> hmmm, anyone know how to install UT on on the x86_64 system? i have the ut-install-436-GOTY.run but i get this error:
[02:19] <hardw1re> This installation doesn't support glibc-2.0 on Linux / x86_64
[02:20] <flugh> doesn't leave much to the imagination
[02:21] <hardw1re> ah
[02:21] <flugh> it wasn't compiled against glibc-2.0 on the x86_64 platform. compile from source, or find appropriate binary. i gotta think there's some compatibility 'mode' in the kernel somwhere
[02:21] <hardw1re> i think i just found a forum post about it on msn
[02:21] <vladuz976> is there a good software for designing webpages in linux?
[02:21] <hardw1re> *ubuntu forums
[02:22] <DanusMcAnus> hardw1re: screem
[02:23] <flugh> hardw1re, vim
[02:23] <DanusMcAnus> lol
[02:23] <hardw1re> O_o
[02:23] <DanusMcAnus> hardw1re: flugh's right though... :(
[02:24] <hardw1re> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-7616.html <---- i think i shall try this 1st :P
[02:25] <Atri> hello, does someone have a minutes to help with a problem
[02:25] <Atri> /
[02:26] <DanusMcAnus> sorry, that comment was meant for vladuz976
[02:26] <DanusMcAnus> and he just left
[02:26] <DanusMcAnus> lol
[02:26] <DanusMcAnus> damn!
[02:26] <D1> nvu for webpages
[02:27] <Atri> i cant get gnutella loaded here any idea what may be the problem?
[02:27] <crimsun> Atri: gtk-gnutella?
[02:27] <Atri> yeah
[02:27] <mhz> hey
[02:27] <crimsun> Atri: what's(re) the error(s)?
[02:28] <DanusMcAnus> D1: nice :)
[02:28] <Atri> im new to ubuntu ,linux in general,just installed about an hour ago
[02:28] <D1> you guys think breezy is ready for installing?
[02:28] <Ice9> why can I only play dvds with xine when I load xine through root? I gave my user all the privilidges listed
[02:28] <D1> I wanna try all these goodies on my laptop.
[02:28] <crimsun> D1: not currently.
[02:28] <D1> well
[02:28] <Atri> errors? i wouldnt even know where to look for errors
[02:28] <D1> I mean the X issues and all.
[02:28] <mhz> Has any one successfully add a pairing key for BlueTooth (T637)
[02:28] <mhz> ??
[02:28] <D1> perhaps installing from colony 3
[02:28] <crimsun> D1: Xorg modularisation for Breezy is fine. Cairo transition is on-going and will cause issues.
[02:29] <D1> what exactly is affected?
[02:29] <crimsun> D1: any package that depends on gtk & cairo
[02:29] <Concord_Dawn> Has anyone here used the jailer package?
[02:30] <hardw1re> D1: i upgraded to breezy this afternoon
[02:30] <D1> how'd it go?
[02:30] <hardw1re> upgrade went fine
[02:30] <hardw1re> (Kernel):[Linux 2.6.12-7-amd64-generic x86_64]
[02:30] <hardw1re> (CPU): AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+: (Frequency): 1040.106MHz: (Cache): 512 KB: (Bogomips): 2061.65
[02:31] <crimsun> hardw1re: hope you have fun with the cairo transition =)
[02:31] <chris> Could anyone help me get Cadega, I just read a blog that said it would allow me to run games meant to only run in windows?
[02:31] <chris> I couldn't find it in the package manager though
[02:31] <hardw1re> crimsun: i'll come to that when i know what cairo is for :P lol
[02:31] <crimsun> chris: you have to pay for it. http://www.cedega.com
[02:31] <b3nd3r> so ya i cant hardly see now
[02:31] <hardw1re> anyone know how to disable the popup messages on koptite?
[02:32] <b3nd3r> ya i dont
[02:34] <chris> Crimsun: Shazbot....I'll just boot to windows for games then >_<;
[02:34] <Mobius> hi everyone =)
[02:34] <Ice9> You are running in 32 bpp, but ZSNES is forcing 16 bpp. You may experience poor performance and/or crashing. Whats the deal with that?
[02:34] <hardw1re> oh btw, i found a load of webcam packages and stuff in the breezy repository that i've installed. but i dont know how to get them to work with my usb webcam
[02:34] <Mobius> is there any way to scroll up in tty1 for boot messages?
[02:35] <rmflagg> Can someone help me with a GDM problem?
[02:35] <dalamar> just do dmesg | more
[02:35] <Mobius> whats up rmflagg?
[02:35] <b3nd3r> rmflagg still!?
[02:35] <crimsun> Mobius: /var/log/dmesg
[02:35] <Mobius> thanks
[02:35] <rmflagg> Yep...I never got an answer!
[02:35] <b3nd3r> hmm
[02:35] <b3nd3r> im busy "hacking" soooooo
[02:35] <Mobius> crimsun, reason I ask is because alsa seems to be having trouble with my soundcard all of the sudden =/
[02:36] <dbernar1> !ask
[02:36] <rmflagg> Last week, GDM(under Hoary) no longer remembers the "Last" setting or the "Default" setting.
[02:36] <crimsun> Mobius: cat /proc/asound/cards
[02:36] <Concord_Dawn> Has anyone here ever used the Jailer package? I need some help with it.
[02:36] <crimsun> Concord_Dawn: if no one here responds, ask on ubuntu-users
[02:36] <Concord_Dawn> erm.
[02:37] <Concord_Dawn> empty channel?
[02:37] <dbernar1> mailing list
[02:37] <rmflagg> ...and when I change the Session type, it not longer asks if I want to make it the default.
[02:37] <Concord_Dawn> ohes.
[02:37] <Concord_Dawn> well
[02:37] <Concord_Dawn> considering as Ubuntu is debian based.
[02:37] <iratsu> does anyone know what I should do if I can't get X started and don't get any error in my log file?
[02:37] <crimsun> Concord_Dawn: that would be a very bad idea.
[02:37] <SoulBlink> anybody know how to show which version on ndiswrapper you are currently running?
[02:38] <Mobius> crimsun, my card doesnt seem to show up anymore! =(
[02:38] <crimsun> Concord_Dawn: you may find yourself ejected, flamed, etc.
[02:38] <Concord_Dawn> tbh
[02:38] <Concord_Dawn> I care not.
[02:38] <b3nd3r> any one know any wifi router hacks?
[02:38] <dbernar1> Concord_Dawn: just dont fly in there stupid
[02:38] <b3nd3r> kidding
[02:39] <rmflagg> Mobius...do you have any idea?
[02:39] <dbernar1> Concord_Dawn: compose your question, dont be like, has anyone ever
[02:39] <dbernar1> ask exactly what you need to know,
[02:39] <hardw1re> yes i found an installer for UT GOTYE that runs on x86_64 :D
[02:39] <Concord_Dawn> How it works? :-P
[02:39] <dbernar1> and dont mention ubuntu right away, they are a little jellaous too,.
[02:39] <Mobius> rmflagg, what other DEs do you have?
[02:39] <dbernar1> Concord_Dawn: you want to know how a package works?
[02:39] <Concord_Dawn> no
[02:39] <cafuego> dbernar1: They just don't suffer fools well. neither should #ubuntu.
[02:40] <Concord_Dawn> I want to know what particular things do on that package.
[02:40] <dbernar1> cafuego: there is a dose of jellaousy I find, among some.
[02:40] <dbernar1> Concord_Dawn: rtfm...that is teh answer you will get there.
[02:40] <cafuego> Concord_Dawn: That's what documentation tends to be for.
[02:40] <rmflagg> There is Gnome and Fluxbox and Ratpoison and XFCE...all installed for months before this problem.
[02:40] <dbernar1> and rightly so, have you read ny manual so far?
[02:40] <Concord_Dawn> cafuego, documentation is very vague, and translated from another language. It's not very good.
[02:40] <dbernar1> any
[02:40] <crimsun> Mobius: lspci -v|grep -i audio
[02:41] <dbernar1> Concord_Dawn: read it again.
[02:41] <dbernar1> or, whate3ver, good luck.
[02:41] <Concord_Dawn> heh.
[02:41] <Concord_Dawn> tbh.
[02:41] <cafuego> dbernar1: Not really, people there just get shitty (rightly so) when people on another distro start asking for help. After saying "We don't know, we use something else" 10,000 times you'd get irritated as well.
[02:41] <Ice9> You are running in 32 bpp, but ZSNES is forcing 16 bpp. You may experience poor performance and/or crashing. Whats the deal with that?
[02:42] <Concord_Dawn> or
[02:42] <cafuego> Ice9: run in 16bpp when playing with zsnes
[02:42] <Grat> ellow
[02:42] <Ice9> cafuego how do I do that?
[02:42] <Grat> Concord_Dawn: why is that?
[02:42] <dbernar1> cafuego: well, I am not in the mood for a conversation on that, and I understand what you mean.
[02:42] <Atri> crimsun, i dont seem to have the gtk-gnutella package
[02:42] <Concord_Dawn> bpp? bogomips per parsecond?
[02:42] <cafuego> bits per pixel
[02:42] <Concord_Dawn> Grat, dunno, for fun I guess.
[02:42] <umboto> hey im trying to install muine and i hit the fourms and found a thread about installing it, but i had to add some repos to my apt list, those repos are down, and i looked further into the thread, and their was an updated repo, but it is also 404
[02:42] <dmouritsendk> can anybody tell me which font package i need to install to get mathml support in firefox?
[02:42] <BTJustice> LinuxJones: I reinstalled. Sound is working pretty good with the SB Live! 5.1. The SB Live 7.1 24-bit is junk IMO.
[02:42] <Mobius> crimsun, it lists it
[02:43] <jbull> umboto: installing the latest muine in hoary?
[02:43] <dbernar1> umboto: what repos, tho, dont you think that is relevant tio your question?
[02:43] <umboto> yes
[02:43] <tiglionabbit> say, is there a way to glob a directory in a smart way, so it lists numbered files like 1.gif 2.gif 3.gif instead of 1.gif 10.gif 11.gif etc 2.gif 20.gif ?
[02:43] <LinuxJones> BTJustice, great, too bad you had those problems :(
[02:43] <crimsun> Atri: did you enable the universe repository?
[02:43] <umboto> yes jbull
[02:43] <Atri> ummm
[02:43] <Atri> crimsun, how do you do that?
[02:43] <Concord_Dawn> erm
[02:43] <Concord_Dawn> !universe\
[02:43] <ubotu> Concord_Dawn: No idea
[02:43] <crimsun> !addingrepositories
[02:43] <ubotu> crimsun: What?
[02:43] <umboto> dbernar1, these deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs/ ./
[02:43] <Concord_Dawn> !universe
[02:43] <ubotu> ask me about !repositories
[02:43] <Concord_Dawn> oh
[02:43] <BTJustice> LinuxJones: Yeah it sucked. There is perhaps a slight delay in the sound played though. Like if a warning Window pops up in KDE.
[02:44] <Concord_Dawn> !tell Atri about repositories
[02:44] <Ice9> how do I get zsnes to run in 16 bbps?
[02:44] <jbull> umboto: have you tried backports?
[02:44] <umboto> yes
[02:44] <rmflagg> I am trying to find out if there are settings in gdm.conf that handle these setting.
[02:44] <mstlyevil> Does anybody know why Realplayer will not start after installing? The system monitor said it installed just fine and I am at a loss.
[02:44] <Atri> thats a cool bot
[02:44] <Atri> lol
[02:44] <Concord_Dawn> indeed.
[02:44] <LinuxJones> BTJustice, run gstreamer properties and see if your using alsa for output sink
[02:44] <Concord_Dawn> !learn
[02:44] <ubotu> Concord_Dawn: I give up, what is it?
[02:44] <Concord_Dawn> !learn cool thingies.
[02:44] <ubotu> Concord_Dawn: Are you on ritalin?
[02:44] <Concord_Dawn> probably.
[02:44] <iamsobored05> hi
[02:45] <BTJustice> LinuxJones: Is that available in Kubuntu? How do I get to it?
[02:45] <umboto> i already edited my source list, by adding the backports and uncommenting some of the others
[02:45] <iamsobored05> i need help with my wifi adaptor
[02:45] <iamsobored05> dwl-g650
[02:45] <NatureTruth> hi
[02:45] <Concord_Dawn> !tell iamsobored05 about ndiswrapper
[02:45] <LinuxJones> BTJustice, ohh your running kde
[02:45] <BTJustice> iamsobored05: Is it found automatically a ath0?
[02:45] <BTJustice> LinuxJones: Yup.
[02:46] <Mobius> crimsun, it shows my audio controller.. and it was working just a few days ago =/
[02:46] <saitek> lcl
[02:46] <LinuxJones> BTJustice, poke around I'm sure you can find a config tool to use alsa or better yet ask in #kubuntu
[02:46] <NatureTruth> i have just successfully compiled kernel 2.6.12 in hoary. Everything seems to be working well except that my fat volume is not mounted. It worked before. And my ntfs volume is mounted. It's just the fat volume that doesn't get mounted. And when I try to manually mount it, i get mount: /dev/hdb1 already mounted or /mnt/archive busy. Help anyone please
[02:47] <BTJustice> I can go to terminal and enter alsamixer though and it works.
[02:47] <LinuxJones> BTJustice, perfect
[02:47] <MrPockets> say my core CPU temp goes up a good 14 degrees when Ubuntu runs the screen saver...
[02:47] <Davus> NatureTruth, did you compile with FAT support and whatnot?
[02:47] <McGoo> can u guys help me out?
[02:47] <MrPockets> do the screen savers take alot to process?
[02:47] <LinuxJones> BTJustice, I wonder whawt's up with that latency tho ?
[02:47] <crimsun> Mobius: it would help if you actually told me what it said.
[02:47] <jbull> McGoo: with what?
[02:47] <Mobius> ok crimsun, one second
[02:48] <BTJustice> LinuxJones: Not sure. There are a lot more sliders with the 5.1 as opposed to the 7.1, lol.
[02:48] <McGoo> when i install ubuntu i get as far as installing the grub loader then it says there has been a fatal error. i read on forum that its a problem with disks but could it be something else?
[02:48] <dmouritsendk> can anybody tell me what font packages i need to make firefox render mathml?
[02:49] <chris> Does anyone know how to get the scroll wheel on a logitech m369? (standard 2 button mouse with scroll wheel)
[02:49] <LinuxJones> BTJustice, heh
[02:49] <NatureTruth> Davus: yes, I did...is whatnot a filesystem?
[02:49] <BTJustice> LinuxJones: Yeah?
[02:49] <Davus> Nope. :)
[02:49] <Mobius> crimsun, 0000:00:1b.0 0302: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)
[02:49] <crimsun> Mobius: lsmod
[02:49] <crimsun> err
[02:49] <crimsun> Mobius: lsmod|grep ^snd_azx
[02:50] <Wanderer> Would Anyone care to tell me how I can change my screen resolution, please?
[02:50] <Mobius> crimsun, doesn't return anything
[02:50] <Davus> Wanderer, it's in the System -> Preferences menu
[02:51] <dbernar1> !fixres
[02:51] <ubotu> methinks fixres is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:51] <LinuxJones> Wanderer, system >> Preferences >> Screen Resolution
[02:51] <Dr_Willis> in some cases you may need to edit the X config file manually. I had to for my widescreen laptop
[02:51] <crimsun> Mobius: and what does this do? sudo modprobe snd_azx
[02:51] <Wanderer> It doesn't have any resolutions other than the default one. Same for the refresh rate.
[02:51] <Mobius> FATAL:MOdule snd_azx not found. FATAL: Error running install command for snd_azx
[02:51] <Davus> Ah, manual edit time then.
[02:51] <dbernar1> Wanderer: then do the fuixres.
[02:52] <crimsun> Mobius: cat /proc/asound/version
[02:52] <iratsu> What should I do if I get the following error in my command line when i run startx: XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining.?
[02:52] <LinuxJones> Wanderer, follow the ubotu link ^^
[02:52] <Wanderer> Huh?
[02:52] <Mobius> crimsun, I had to install a realtek driver in order to get the sound to work last month
[02:52] <Ride> Hey everyone... quick question... I reinstalled WinXP on my dual boot. Then reinstalled grub. Now I am back in Ubuntu, but my sound doesn't work. Anyone have any pointers?
[02:53] <Atri> crimsun, i added the universe repositroy and updated and still no gtk-gnutella
[02:53] <Atri> crimsun, any other ideas?
[02:53] <michael> hello
[02:53] <crimsun> Atri: /join #flood and paste the output from apt-cache policy gtk-gnutella
[02:53] <dbernar1> Atri: you did not do it properly
[02:53] <Mobius> crimsun, Advanced Linux Architecture Driver version 1.0.9rc4a and then the compile date
[02:53] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. that souldent of affected sound Ride - however i DID have an odd system ages ago. that IF i 'rebooted' from windows to linux. the sound card would not get configured right.. but if i powered down and booted straight to linux it would work.
[02:54] <michael> any one a girl out there
[02:54] <crimsun> Mobius: sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel
[02:54] <flugh> Atri, bugger, i use limewire (only for non-copyright stuff mind you) following ubuntuguide.org (which is evil mind you)
[02:54] <hardw1re> \o/
[02:54] <pcharky> can anybody help me with a dire alsa problem?
[02:54] <Dr_Willis> michael, roughly 50% of the Population are of the Girl species.
[02:54] <hardw1re> ok got UnrealTournament installed and running fine :D
[02:54] <crimsun> pcharky: dire? ask.
[02:54] <hardw1re> (CPU): AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+: (Frequency): 1872.191MHz: (Cache): 512 KB: (Bogomips): 3710.97
[02:54] <umboto> has anyone here sucessfully install muine?
[02:54] <cafuego> hardw1re: Can you switch that script off?
[02:54] <azriel0184> is there a way to get gksuexec to use gksudo not gksu? because its a usefull appllication, but to use it to execute root applications i need to activate the root account
[02:54] <Ride> Dr_Willis: hmm.. interesting. I thought it was odd my sound stopped working as well. I did a straight boot to linux though
[02:54] <dbernar1> Dr_Willis: you actually answered that guy?
[02:55] <McGoo> anyone ever have grub problems?
[02:55] <Dr_Willis> dbernar1, in as general and vague, yet accurate as i could. :P
[02:55] <crimsun> it's ok, 'michael' left.
[02:55] <pcharky> crimsun: I need to get my line-in to work, somehow it doesn't. I unmuted the card for playback, recording, playback+recording
[02:55] <Dr_Willis> dbernar1, every one knows girls dont use computers. :P
[02:55] <flugh> hardwire: so there's some compatibility thing you can do?
[02:55] <crimsun> pcharky: cat /proc/asound/cards
[02:55] <Cletus> not usually McGoo, what kind of problems are you having?
[02:56] <Mobius> brb, im going to switch the other computer so that I can copy and paste crimsun
[02:56] <flugh> Dr_Willis, nah, i know a few girls who do. funny, they are all pretty large though
[02:56] <Dr_Willis> flugh, Large Linux Chix?
[02:56] <McGoo> i get to install ubuntu as far as the point where it wants to install the grub, then when i try to it fails with a "fatal error"
[02:56] <Cletus> lol, how large?
[02:56] <flugh> Dr_Willis, i mean, you gotta enable REAL_LARGE_OBJECTS when configuring your kernel
[02:57] <Cletus> can you provide the error text mcgoo?
[02:57] <ofer0> ok guys, my "ubuntu installation guide" is finished
[02:57] <Cletus> flugh: that large, eh?
[02:57] <ofer0> you can see it @ www.imc-il.com/david/Project
[02:57] <flugh> kernel_panic: call to 0x40057603:GetOffMeICantBreathe()
[02:57] <Cletus> LOL
[02:58] <ofer0> the only language you will see is hebrew, so don`t try to read it. i will translate it soon
[02:58] <Burgundavia> ofer0, nice work. Unfortuantely, the installer might change radically for breezy
[02:58] <crimsun> ofer0: it's better to make a wiki page for yourself on ubuntu.com and link to it
[02:58] <crimsun> ofer0: that way we can centralize the documentation
[02:58] <ofer0> Burgundavia, so ill do it again :)
[02:58] <Mobius> crimsun, where should I paste the output for you
[02:59] <ofer0> crimsun, yeah, ill do it as soon as ill translate it to english
[02:59] <bz0b> anyone here use limewire?
[02:59] <crimsun> Mobius: paste.ubuntulinux.nl is fine
[02:59] <Burgundavia> ofer0, best to help the doc team with their work
[02:59] <cafuego> Burgundavia: If a gtk frontend will be added, can you add a 'gnocatan' module as well, so I can play whilst waiting? ;-)
[02:59] <Dr_Willis> bz0b, ages ago. :P
[02:59] <flugh> bz0b, i do. dunno if it's topics are tolorated here though
[02:59] <Burgundavia> cafuego, don't ask me
[02:59] <bz0b> well 'cause i want to use it on ubuntu
[02:59] <bz0b> but i need to i think add a symlink
[03:00] <cafuego> Ok then, I'll TELL you ;-)
[03:00] <Dr_Willis> limewire has a script it isntalls that you run. I forget its name however. "runlime" or 'RunLime" or similer.
[03:00] <Mobius> crimsun, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1457
[03:00] <Wanderer> How do I stop Ubuntu from requiring a password?
[03:01] <ofer0> Wanderer, ?!
[03:01] <crimsun> Mobius: dmesg
[03:01] <Wanderer> Yes?
[03:01] <crimsun> Mobius: err, dmesg|tail
[03:01] <pcharky> crimsun: sorry: http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/1458
[03:01] <ompaul> can I start firefox with two or three tabs open and pointing at my favorite sites?
[03:01] <cafuego> Wanderer: Explain your question.
[03:01] <Grat> Wanderer: what password?
[03:01] <flugh> Wanderer, this OS tends to protect you from such things
[03:01] <ofer0> Wanderer, yeah, be more specific
[03:01] <Mobius> how do I find out my kernel info crimsun?
[03:02] <hardw1re> ok.... ut is impossible...
[03:02] <hardw1re> it seems to run at 20000 miles per hour :|
[03:02] <crimsun> pcharky: please see alsa.opensrc.org, particularly the emu10k1 mixer pages
[03:02] <dbernar1> when you boot, you want to be logged in, for example. Wanderer .
[03:02] <ofer0> Mobius, kernel info? what do you mean ?
[03:02] <brk3> anyone here responsible for the hp laptop isos?
[03:02] <Mobius> kernel version
[03:02] <ofer0> Mobius, "uname -r"
[03:02] <Mobius> ty
[03:02] <dbernar1> Wanderer: or, when you open synaptic, and administrative applications, hyou dont want to be asked for password....
[03:02] <crimsun> Mobius: the error messages in dmesg|tail are most useful
[03:02] <Dr_Willis> brk3, what hp laptop isos ?
[03:03] <brk3> Dr_Willis: the isos of ubuntu custumised for the hp nc laptops
[03:03] <Dr_Willis> brk3, interesting - first id ever heard of them.. where ya find them at?
[03:04] <Wanderer> That is, how do I get it to stop this login/log off nonsense? I don't want it to do anything but load the desktop once I've selected what OS to use. I also want it to stop its' "administrative privilages" nonsense and just make the config changes I need without whining for a password.
[03:04] <Mobius> crimsun, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1459
[03:04] <brk3> Dr_Willis: lol - hold on il find the url
[03:04] <Dr_Willis> brk3, googline for them also. :P lol
[03:04] <BTJustice> Anyone know how to access the KDE Setup Wizard where you can pick if you want KDE to act like Windows or MAC OS X? I am using Kubuntu.
[03:04] <brk3> Dr_Willis: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/custom/hplaptops/view?searchterm=laptop
[03:05] <Concord_Dawn> Wanderer, then login as root? ^_^
[03:05] <cafuego> BTJustice: Just edit the theme
[03:05] <crimsun> Mobius: erm, wow. What's the output from sudo depmod -ae ?
[03:05] <Dr_Willis> I got a Compaq V2311 with a Turion Processor.. its not well liked by linux so far.
[03:05] <Wanderer> Huh? What is this "root" of which you speak?
[03:05] <LinuxJones> Wanderer, asking for a password is a good thing
[03:05] <cafuego> Wanderer: You want Lindows then, bot Ubuntu.
[03:05] <Mobius> crimsun, nothing
[03:05] <SimonVallore> Hello
[03:05] <BTJustice> cafuego: I could do that, but I want the Mac menu at the top and such.
[03:05] <crimsun> Mobius: nothing?
[03:05] <SimonVallore> Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual
[03:05] <SimonVallore> History:
[03:05] <SimonVallore> Exiting due to error
[03:06] <Concord_Dawn> Wanderer, superuser. It can do anything and everything to the system.
[03:06] <SimonVallore> how do i fix that error
[03:06] <umboto> hey if im installing mono, where should it be installed at?
[03:06] <umboto> its askin
[03:06] <Mobius> crimsun, nada.. sudo depmod -ae is quiet =/
[03:06] <cafuego> Wanderer: Linux has different privileged levels for VERY good reasons.
[03:06] <crimsun> Mobius: sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel
[03:06] <umboto> default it says $user/home/
[03:06] <cafuego> Wanderer: Windows viruses are one of those reasons.
[03:06] <Mobius> same error crimsun
[03:06] <LinuxJones> umboto, install the one in the ubuntu repositories
[03:06] <Wanderer> Oh. Ok.
[03:07] <brk3> anyway anyone know about these isos?
[03:07] <Dr_Willis> Gnome/GDM does have an auto-login feature.. i think.. or is that KDM only?
[03:07] <paxmaster> hello there how could i control which dns server to allow in my /etc/resolv.conf
[03:07] <cafuego> BTJustice: See if you can install 'baghira'
[03:07] <cafuego> Dr_Willis: I'm sure gdm can do it too.
[03:07] <SimonVallore> Hello will one of you help me
[03:07] <umboto> LinuxJones, it wont let me
[03:07] <Wanderer> How do I set up a dail-up net connection?
[03:07] <SimonVallore> would i have better luck getting a donkey to move than getiing help here
[03:07] <Dr_Willis> cafuego, it proberly needs a manual edit of the config. :P heh
[03:07] <umboto> LinuxJones, it tells me its uninstallable
[03:07] <LinuxJones> umboto, why not ?
[03:07] <brk3> SimonVallore: ask
[03:07] <LinuxJones> umboto, are you running breezy ?
[03:07] <SimonVallore> Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual
[03:07] <SimonVallore> how do i fix that error
[03:08] <cafuego> Wanderer: If the system asks for a password before doing somehting potentially destructive, it in theory makes you THINK about what you're doing.
[03:08] <umboto> LinuxJones, i have no idea
[03:08] <paxmaster> every time when i reboot or shutdown my /etc/resolv.conf change how could i prevent tat
[03:08] <umboto> LinuxJones, how i check to see if i am?
[03:08] <crimsun> Mobius: unload all ALSA modules
[03:08] <LinuxJones> umboto, cat /etc/issue
[03:08] <BTJustice> cafuego: kwin-baghira? Yes.
[03:08] <gatogato> Hello
[03:08] <umboto> LinuxJones, Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" \n \l
[03:08] <cafuego> BTJustice: yeah, there's one or two control panls you need to then visit, to make KDE/kwin behave like a mac.
[03:08] <Mobius> not sure I know how crimsun
[03:08] <crimsun> Mobius: sudo invoke-rc.d alsa force-unload
[03:08] <Wanderer> Ok, caf., i got the point. I just thought it was thinking it was a multi-user computer.
[03:09] <cafuego> BTJustice: They might know which panels on #kubuntu.
[03:09] <cafuego> Wanderer: it is.
[03:09] <LinuxJones> umboto, have you ever upgraded your system ?
[03:09] <cafuego> Wanderer: Other users (system users) are running other stuff on your machine right now.
[03:09] <umboto> LinuxJones, yes
[03:09] <SimonVallore> What the fuck is this channel for is it a pleace not to get help
[03:09] <LinuxJones> simonp, if you don't like it here leave
[03:09] <Grat> ah
[03:09] <Grat> :>
[03:10] <Wanderer> Huh? Explain, please!
[03:10] <Mobius> crimsun, I am trying to recompile that driver atm =/
[03:10] <paxmaster> hello there how could i control which dns server to allow in my /etc/resolv.conf
[03:10] <paxmaster> every time when i reboot or shutdown my /etc/resolv.conf change how could i prevent tat
[03:10] <BTJustice> cafuego: I tried #Kubuntu. That channel is about worthless.
[03:10] <cafuego> LinuxJones: I paid $0 for my Ubuntu CDs and I *DEMAND* you help me NOW!!!! </sarcasm>
[07:59] (dmccauley/#ubuntu) !windowsdrives
[07:59] (ubotu/#ubuntu) rumour has it, windowsdrives is Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[07:59] (bur[n] er/#ubuntu) Gatton: best bet is... install ubuntu from cd, then copy your /home over
[07:59] (Gatton/#ubuntu) bur[n] er, i was thinking of dd but wasn't sure if that would work. would it make the other drive bootable etc?
[07:59] (stizoner/#ubuntu) sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[07:59] (stizoner/#ubuntu) sudo: gedit: command not found
[07:59] (bur[n] er/#ubuntu) Gatton: u can run the livecd and just grub-install on it
[07:59] (Gatton/#ubuntu) bur[n] er, that's the way i was leaning as well. the lazy part of me hoped i could clone somehow ;)
[07:59] (bur[n] er/#ubuntu) Gatton: norton ghost ;)
[07:59] (stizoner/#ubuntu) what do i put instead of gedit? documentation keeps saying gedit for stuff
[07:59] <bur[n] er> totally not free, but it works wonders
[07:59] <bur[n] er> i just did a cp -a of my drive before
[07:59] <Wanderer> Does no one hold the solution to my techno maladies?
[07:59] <bur[n] er> not even a dd
[07:59] <Gatton> bur[n] er, have any idea if Norton Ghost would ... you read my mind! was gonna ask if it understands...hmmm Ubuntu is what? ext3?
[07:59] <bur[n] er> Wanderer: sorry
[08:00] <Madpilot> stizoner: are you on a command line only?
[08:00] <jabra> _frank: thanks
[08:00] <stizoner> yeah
[08:00] <bur[n] er> Gatton: it can be ext3
[08:00] <bur[n] er> mine is reiser
[08:00] <bur[n] er> reiser is faster ;)
[08:00] <Zen> configure: error: *** GLIB >= 1.2.2 not installed - please install first ***
[08:00] <Wanderer> Meaning?
[08:00] <Zen> it says it can't find glib-config
[08:00] <Zen> any ideas?
[08:00] <Gatton> bur[n] er, i feel stupid that i can't remember heh
[08:00] <Madpilot> Wanderer: aside from the root thing, what else? (sorry if you've been saying, but I've been away from the computer...)
[08:00] <Zen> this is trying to install xmms :/
[08:00] <alexc> hey, im a windows user about to convert to ubuntu, is there anyone who would b willing to give me some pointers?
[08:00] <stizoner> so instead of: sudo gedit /etc/fstab what do i put to edit it with kate?
[08:00] <bur[n] er> Gatton: xterm -e sudo fdisk -l
[08:01] <rhelmer> stizoner: if you know vi, you can use that instead of gedit.. nano if not
[08:01] <nightmaster> can someone help me find a package for x-windows
[08:01] <bur[n] er> Gatton: well... run xterm and do it ;)
[08:01] <stizoner> english? :D
[08:01] <Zen> alexc: make sure everything you have is compatible before installing ;p
[08:01] <bur[n] er> anyone know hwo to get term windows to "pause" so to speak?
[08:01] <DukGalNamu> alexc: get a bottle of asparin for the install and configure, you are god to go after that though
[08:01] <DukGalNamu> *good
[08:01] <stizoner> u lost me rhelmer :D
[08:01] <rhelmer> bur[n] er: ctrl-s
[08:01] <rhelmer> bur[n] er: ctrl-q to continue
[08:01] <Madpilot> stizoner: instead of "sudo gedit <whatever>" do "sudo nano <whatever>"
[08:01] <Wanderer> Currently, it won't connect to the internet or give me a reasonable screen resolution. And the log in screen text is unreadable. I can't see if a patch would fix my problem, because, were the net working, I would have to wade through a hundred or more cryptic file names in the add-on repository, all of which contain no description of thier intended purpose....
[08:01] <Zen> any idea how to install glib-config/glib ver greater than 1.2.2
[08:02] <stizoner> ahhhh thank you
[08:02] <Zen> anyone?
[08:02] <rhelmer> stizoner: what Madpilot said :)
[08:02] <_frank> alexc: do you know what mj12node is? if you don't you can ignore me...
[08:02] <bur[n] er> rhelmer: anyway I can do it via argument passed or piped or something?
[08:02] <alexc> _frank no idea
[08:02] <bur[n] er> xterm -e less `sudo fdisk -l`
[08:02] <alexc> DukGalNamu - is it that horrible??
[08:02] <Zen> someone help :(
[08:02] <_frank> alexc: ok, never mind
[08:03] <Zen> i get glib errors configuring xmms
[08:03] <Zen> i need to play something badly
[08:03] <Gatton> bur[n] er, Id is 83 Linux...i'm assuming that's ext2?
[08:03] <rhelmer> bur[n] er: yes, you can use signals.. SIGSTOP and SIGCONT
[08:03] <DukGalNamu> alexc: for me it was, but i had very odd hardware...
[08:03] <rhelmer> bur[n] er: signals can be sent using "kill".. see the "kill" manpage
[08:03] <rhelmer> bur[n] er: man kill
[08:03] <alexc> Zen - i have a friend who uses linux at home, so he should b able to help me with the compatibility
[08:03] <DukGalNamu> alexc: chances are if you are dealing witha stock system it wont be a problem
[08:03] <stizoner> wait, how about a normal text editor?
[08:03] <bur[n] er> Gatton: got gparted? that has names ;)
[08:03] <alexc> _frank - why, wat is it?
[08:03] <Zen> check the compatibility list
[08:03] <Zen> you don't need help
[08:03] <rhelmer> bur[n] er: you could use kill to stop/cont by PID
[08:03] <Zen> there is a hardware compat list
[08:03] <Zen> on the site
[08:03] <_frank> alexc: its a web c
[08:03] <Gatton> bur[n] er, not yet but i'll apt-get it. thanks for the help
[08:03] <bur[n] er> rhelmer: dont' think you get my meaning
[08:04] <alexc> DukGalNamu - well i can only hope that i am not the same, how long did it take you??
[08:04] <rhelmer> bur[n] er: no please clarify :)
[08:04] <_frank> alexc: its a web crawler made by a guy named alexc. I was just wondering if you were him
[08:04] <Zen> oh well
[08:04] <bur[n] er> Gatton: sure... gparted cant resize ntfs, but qtparted can
[08:04] <Zen> i'll post on forums
[08:04] <Zen> :/
[08:04] <Zen> bye all
[08:04] <bur[n] er> rhelmer: i want to run an app in an xterm and make that xterm not close automatically
[08:04] <Gatton> bur[n] er, that's ok. Once I back up my data from XP that partition is gone ;)
[08:04] <alexc> _frank - right, nope, diff guy :D
[08:05] <bur[n] er> rhelmer: similar to... xterm -e less `sudo fdisk -l` <--but that doesn't work
[08:05] <DukGalNamu> alexc: for ubuntu... umm... 2-3 hours to get gnome running.... with my wierd a monitor and GPU, but i was jumping between distros and taht took me over a week
[08:05] <rhelmer> bur[n] er: oh i see. hmm the "read" command (from bash) will let you pause on user input
[08:05] <nightmaster> /j #linuxforums
[08:05] <nightmaster> /join #linuxforums
[08:05] <rhelmer> bur[n] er: e.g. "read y"
[08:05] <DukGalNamu> nightmaster: take the space out
[08:05] <alexc> DukGalNamu - sounds like a nightmare
[08:05] <nightmaster> thanks
[08:05] <Gatton> ok folks. off to back up my data and kill the NTFS partition. see ya
[08:05] <alexc> DukGalNamu - i can see why you needed asprin
[08:06] <DukGalNamu> alexc: for me it was, if you have a realativly new system and you haven't modded your system then it wont be a problem.
[08:06] <rhelmer> bur[n] er: oh i see what you are trying to do.. hm
[08:06] <_frank> alexc: try the ubuntu live cd to see how hardware detection goes
[08:06] <bur[n] er> rhelmer: any ideas?
[08:06] <alexc> DukGalNamu - thanks for the advice
[08:06] <DukGalNamu> alexc: do what frank says
[08:06] <DukGalNamu> :P
[08:07] <_frank> alexc: and figure out if there are equivalent applications to do everything you want to do
[08:07] <rhelmer> bur[n] er: so you want to take the output of a command and pipe it to less right? do you care only that it pauses, or that it is opened in less?
[08:07] <bur[n] er> i don't care about less
[08:07] <alexc> _frank - i was going to d/l that from the website
[08:07] <bur[n] er> just want the window to not close... though piping it to less seems like a cooler idea now ;)
[08:07] <stizoner> does it matter that lines dont line up in fstab? im setting it to automount /home/user/Desktop/Storage, just matters that theres a space between options right?
[08:07] <Wanderer> Currently, Ubuntu won't connect to the internet or give me a reasonable screen resolution. And the log in screen text is unreadable. I can't see if a patch would fix my problem, because, were the net working, I would have to wade through a hundred or more cryptic file names in the add-on repository, all of which contain no description of thier intended purpose....
[08:08] <rhelmer> bur[n] er: how about xterm -e "sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda ; read y"
[08:08] <vitriol> stizoner: thats right
[08:08] <stizoner> Wanderer, i dont know what im talking about.. but i think for screen probs u need vesa
[08:08] <rhelmer> bur[n] er: hit any key to make it go away.. if you type "y" or not it changes the exit code.. (probably not important in your case..)
[08:08] <Wanderer> vesa?
[08:08] <rhelmer> bur[n] er: even better forget the y
[08:09] <stizoner> i said i didnt know what i was talkin about
[08:09] <rhelmer> bur[n] er: xterm -e "sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda ; read"
[08:09] <alexc> _frank - i also found a website which is an unofficial guide to ubuntu, so going to read through that
[08:09] <_frank> alexc: you mean ubuntuguide?
[08:09] <JasonOfEarth> hey is /proc/acpi/event supposed to be unreadable even if you turn of acpi?
[08:09] <_frank> alexc: the wiki is more comprehensive
[08:09] <rhelmer> bur[n] er: that'll run the command, and regardless of the exit code from "sudo fstab -l /dev/hda" it'll run read to listen for user input
[08:09] <Madpilot> !tell alexc about ubuntuguide
[08:09] <Wanderer> Then why did you reccomend a program, yet give no info about it?
[08:10] <alexc> _frank - well then ill go read that, im on "ubuntuguide.org" now
[08:10] <Wanderer> What is vesa?
[08:10] <_frank> Wanderer: he means to change the video driver in /etc/X11/xorg.conf to vesa
[08:11] <_frank> Wanderer: its a very basic display mode. It should just work
[08:11] <bur[n] er> Wanderer: gksudo /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:11] <Madpilot> alexc: try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation instead
[08:11] <Wanderer> So my GUI won't be as nice with vesa?
[08:11] <bur[n] er> Wanderer: look for "driver" and use vesa instead of e.g. ati or radeon
[08:11] <rhelmer> Wanderer: if your networking and video hardware doesn't "just work", then it is probably a missing driver or autodetect problem.. we'd need more info on your hardware
[08:12] <bur[n] er> Wanderer: better yet... gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:12] <rhelmer> Wanderer: "internet connection" can be more complex, depending on if you need to configure DSL, or if it's done for you by a router (e.g. linksys) or corporate network, or if you need to configure dialup
[08:12] <_frank> Wanderer: it might be lower resolution and performance will be slower but at least it should work for now
[08:13] <alexc> Madpilot - thanks for that, looking now
[08:13] <DukGalNamu> is there a mac os 9 emulater?
[08:13] <Wanderer> OK. I have an intel for video. I have dailup for net.
[08:13] <DukGalNamu> anyone?
[08:14] <salvius> hi, anyone shed any light on how to get 1280x800 on my Acer laptop?
[08:14] <Ice9> yea
[08:14] <_frank> Wanderer: what do you mean by login text is unreadable?
[08:14] <rhelmer> salvius: do you know what the graphics chip is?
[08:14] <Wanderer> It's VERY tiny.
[08:14] <_frank> Wanderer: the text or the whole screen?
[08:14] <Wanderer> Just the text.
[08:15] <DukGalNamu> anyone know of an os9 emulator?
[08:15] <_frank> Wanderer: once you're in GNOMe is text ok?
[08:15] <stizoner> ok i set it to auto mount my fat32 partition according to ubuntu's instructions, says an warning when i boot, utf=8 something bad bad.....characters.... i dont know it flew by fast
[08:15] <Wanderer> Yep.
[08:15] <stizoner> vfat utf8 bad or something
[08:16] <Wanderer> _frank:yep.
[08:16] <rhelmer> salvius: you can find out with "lspci" command in the terminal, or you can probably look on Acer's website with your laptop's model number.
[08:16] <La_PaRCa> Hello. Someone is having trouble with apache2 + php4. He has libapache2-mod-php4 installed with all the deps and still php pages dont parse. Any ideaS?
[08:17] <_frank> Wanderer: I don't really know about the login screen problem
[08:17] <rhelmer> La_PaRCa: what's the error message exactly?
[08:17] <_frank> Wanderer: but if GNOME is ok, its not critical
[08:17] <La_PaRCa> rhelmer, no error message. When I try to load the php page in firefox it tells me if I want to download it. When I do, I get the php code.
[08:17] <Wanderer> oh.
[08:18] <Wanderer> 'bye.....
[08:18] <Madpilot> La_PaRCa: that sounds more like a Firefox setting. tell it to just process php, and it might be OK.
[08:18] <_frank> La_PaRCa: I heard about this problem before. I have no idea how to fix it but I'm sure you can find the solution in the forums
[08:18] <Ice9> why can I only play dvds with xine when I load xine through root? I gave my user all the privilidges listed
[08:18] <rhelmer> La_PaRCa: what does the download dialog say that the mime type is?
[08:19] <La_PaRCa> rhelmer, php Script.
[08:19] <La_PaRCa> _frank, will look into it.
[08:19] <rhelmer> Madpilot: apache should set the mime-type to text/html, shouldn't need web users to configure it :)
[08:19] <DukGalNamu> does anyone know of a os9 emulator????
[08:19] <rhelmer> La_PaRCa: is the filename .php or .phps ?
[08:19] <La_PaRCa> rhelmer, php
[08:20] <rhelmer> La_PaRCa: look in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[08:20] <Madpilot> rhelmer: yeah, but some servers are evidently screwed up, and need a bit of help from browsers...
[08:20] <La_PaRCa> rhelmer, the page is: http://mrpetah.homelinux.org/
[08:20] <rhelmer> La_PaRCa: #AddType application/x-httpd-php .php
[08:20] <rhelmer> La_PaRCa: if that's commented out, uncommented it and reload apache2
[08:21] <_frank> DukGalNamu: look into pearpc
[08:21] <Madpilot> La_PaRCa: that page loads just fine for me, in Opera 8.02/Ubuntu...
[08:21] <_frank> DukGalNamu: I don't really know it
[08:21] <La_PaRCa> that line is in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php4.conf
[08:22] <DukGalNamu> _frank: interesting, so i would just install mac and run it through linux...
[08:23] <Ice9> why can I only play dvds with xine when I load xine through root? I gave my user all the privilidges listed
[08:24] <_frank> DukGalNamu: yeah, pearpc emulates the whole computer
[08:24] <Crissy> DukGalNamu: maybe this will help? http://www.synthesis.ch/os9exec/
[08:25] <La_PaRCa> Madpilot, the link that says blog
[08:27] <Madpilot> La_PaRCa: ah, OK, I'm seeing a screenful of raw PHP code. Your server isn't interpreting it, it's being served uncooked...
[08:28] <rob^> not good.
[08:28] <La_PaRCa> Madpilot, you cant be serious!
[08:29] <Madpilot> La_PaRCa: I'll post a screenshot if you want, but I've got http://mrpetah.homelinux.org/blog/index.php showing me a whole pile of raw PHP
[08:30] <La_PaRCa> Madpilot, I am sorry, I was being an ass. I know that is whats wrong, And I have looked everywhere for the error. conf files, error files, reinstalling and I still cant get a fix.
[08:30] <azriel0184> is there a way to search for apt packages that provide a certain file?
[08:30] <rhelmer> La_PaRCa: did you uncomment that AddType line in apache2.conf?
[08:31] <La_PaRCa> rhelmer, its not in the apache2.conf its in the mods-enabled php4.load file, and its uncommented
[08:31] <rhelmer> La_PaRCa: odd looks different on my system.
[08:31] <rhelmer> La_PaRCa: this is from ubuntu pkgs not source?
[08:31] <La_PaRCa> rhelmer, yeah, ubuntu packages
[08:32] <rhelmer> La_PaRCa: ok i just installed the php pkg on my laptop, going to see if i can reproduce :)
[08:33] <rhelmer> La_PaRCa: hmm i didn't even have to uncomment that line; php worked right away for me.
[08:33] <Madpilot> I've got the full Apache/PHP/MySQL stack on this box, and I've got "#AddType application/x-httpd-php .php" in my apache2.conf
[08:33] <Madpilot> rhelmer: me too
[08:33] <La_PaRCa> ooohhhh... this is quite weird...
[08:34] <Madpilot> La_PaRCa: you are running Apache2 and not Apache 1.3.x?
[08:34] <La_PaRCa> for _some_ reason /etc/init.d/apache is loeading apache 1.3.33
[08:34] <La_PaRCa> I just figured that out
[08:34] <rhelmer> La_PaRCa: you are right the AddType in modes-enabled/php4.conf does override (as it should)
[08:34] <rhelmer> La_PaRCa: hmm well that could be related eh?
[08:34] <La_PaRCa> rhelmer, marginally ;P
[08:34] <Madpilot> La_PaRCa: uninstall 1.3.33, then
[08:34] <h08817> hello
[08:35] <rhelmer> h08817: hi
[08:38] <ms12> !breezy
[08:38] <ubotu> breezy is, like, the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It can and will be broken, and can damage your system. Differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/
[08:38] <nightmaster> anyone know of y windows
[08:38] <ms12> ! upgrade to breezy
[08:38] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, ms12
[08:41] <Madeye> guys, I have directory with about 500 tar.gz file, how to extract all of them at once>?
[08:41] <Dekon> tar xzvf *.tar.gz ? :)
[08:42] <rhelmer> Madeye: for file in *.tar.gz; do tar zxf ${file}; done
[08:42] <_frank> Madeye: does tar zxvf *.tar.gz work?
[08:42] <_frank> I have to remember that for file loop...
[08:43] <rhelmer> _frank: the expansion will make it look like "tar zxf file1.tar.gz file2.tar.gz file..."
[08:43] <Madeye> _frank, no its ot working
[08:43] <rhelmer> _frank: which means "extract file...tar.gz from file1.tar.gz"
[08:43] <rhelmer> _frank: rather than "invoke tar once for each tar file" :)
[08:43] <Madeye> rhelmer, thanks, works smoothly
[08:43] <_frank> ok
[08:45] <rhelmer> _frank: i hated that it didn't work in unix when i was used to DR-DOS :)
[08:45] <rhelmer> Madeye: cool
[08:46] <bur[n] er> ooh... nice tip :)
[08:47] <rhelmer> bur[n] er: file is the var being defined, so it could be "for n in 1 2 3 4; do echo ${n}; done
[08:47] <rhelmer> "
[08:47] <bur[n] er> aww
[08:47] <bur[n] er> AlexC: why
[08:47] <rhelmer> AlexC: what are you converting from? :
[08:48] <rhelmer> :)
[08:48] <AlexC> rhelmer - windows
[08:49] <bur[n] er> AlexC: no worries
[08:49] <azriel0184> is there a way to search for apt packages that provide a certain file?
[08:49] <pablo928> I have a problem with a Gigafast EE-400-R router, when I switched to Ubuntu it makes my browser very slow to load. I've run speed tests and http and ftp upload and download speeds don't seem to be affected. I contacted Gigafast and was told to lower the MTU and if that didn't work that they had no idea since they don't support Linux (even though the ads for the router say that they do.) Can anyone help? lowering the MTU from 1500 to
[08:49] <robotgeek> azriel0184: which file are u looking for?
[08:50] <azriel0184> libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3
[08:50] <bur[n] er> pablo928: firefox?
[08:51] <AlexC> bur[n] er: is it really that easy? one of my friends says to make sure i read through the documentation before converting, i have found ALOT of documentation, this may take a while :P
[08:51] <bur[n] er> AlexC: only good ones are ubuntuguide.com and the ubuntu wiki
[08:51] <Dekon> Ubuntu is super easy.
[08:51] <pablo928> bur[n] er: yes Firefox, but I've tried other browser and had the same problem.
[08:51] <Dekon> Most distros are super easy now, actually. x.-
[08:51] <bur[n] er> AlexC: let me rephrase.. ubuntuguide.org
[08:52] <bur[n] er> pablo928: the browser window itself loading?
[08:52] <bur[n] er> or web pages? or what?
[08:52] <rhelmer> AlexC: have you tried the live CD? you can boot from CD and not remove your existing windows install/files, so you can see what it's like
[08:52] <bur[n] er> pablo928: turn of ip6 in firefox?
[08:52] <Madpilot> !ubuntuguide
[08:52] <ubotu> ubuntuguide is probably a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. The official FAQ Guide will be released with Breezy, stay tuned
[08:52] <bur[n] er> aww... i like ubuntuguide
[08:52] <AlexC> ubotu: yeah, i was already told about that
[08:52] <ubotu> AlexC: Wish i knew
[08:52] <Dekon> Ditto, bur[n] er.
[08:52] <rhelmer> bur[n] er: hehe
[08:53] <azriel0184> robotgeek, libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3
[08:53] <bur[n] er> AlexC: ubotu is just a bot ;)
[08:53] <bsd_puffy> I'm trying to find the onboard information in my dmesg but not having any luck, the output is hard for me to read. If you don't mind looking I'd appreciate it, http://tinyurl.com/3uhlj
[08:53] <pablo928> bur[n] er:I turned off ipv6 and optimized pipelining, this seemed to help some. But the pages still load very slowly.
[08:53] <AlexC> rhelmer: i was going to d/l the cd and then use that
[08:53] <bur[n] er> pablo928: different with a different router?
[08:53] <bur[n] er> u sure it's your router?
[08:53] <AlexC> bur[n] er: hmm...cant half tell im new at all this then can you :D
[08:54] <rhelmer> bsd_puffy: tinyurls are just asking for goatse trolls
[08:54] <bur[n] er> AlexC: no worries mate, burn an iso... boot live... love it... install it... never look back :)
[08:54] <rhelmer> bsd_puffy: but you would never do that :)
[08:54] <pablo928> bur[n] er:I was usinf a USTAR voip adapter as a router and didn't have this problem
[08:55] <AlexC> bur[n] er: ok, ill do that then, thanks people, you have been very informative!!
[08:55] <rhelmer> AlexC: the only thing i'd be careful about is preserving your windows install.. if you dual boot or something, you'll want to be able to boot into windows and access your files most likely, if you have problems
[08:56] <AlexC> rhelmer: wat do you mean by preserve my windows instal?
[08:56] <rhelmer> AlexC: well if you want windows and ubuntu installed on the same harddrive, and choose to start one or the other at boot time (aka dual boot)
[08:57] <wizo> is anyoen experiencing problems with playing sounds from flash files?
[08:57] <rhelmer> AlexC: the ubuntu installer makes this pretty easy, but you need to know hardware details about how to resize partitions, etc.
[08:57] <Dekon> I haven't.
[08:57] <AlexC> rhelmer: ok then, ill be sure to come back here WHEN i get problems, heheh
[08:58] <wizo> i try to go to flash sites but then i dun get any sound
[08:58] <nightmaster> when is the new ubuntu comeing out
[08:58] <rhelmer> AlexC: ok, just be aware that the installer gives you the option to remove your windows install, so make sure you understand that when doing the install :)
[08:58] <rhelmer> AlexC: the live CD of course does nothing of this sort
[08:59] <noodle> would anyone know the reason why i can access a public rw smb share directly from os x, smb://ip/my_share, but i can't seem to "browse" shares? smb://ip just hangs?
[08:59] <wizo> anyone has any ide ay i cant play sound from flash sites?
[08:59] <AlexC> rhelmer: ok, so if i eventually decide to install the whole thing, make sure i dont remove my windows if i still want it, but with the live cd, i dont have ot worry
[09:00] <AlexC> rhelmer: is the live cd just like opening an application on windows?
[09:00] <wizo> AlexC: its not like opening an application on windows
[09:00] <rhelmer> AlexC: you've got it.. with the live CD, you put the CD in your drive and reboot
[09:00] <Dekon> noodle: Are you doing it from the gui or command line?
[09:00] <rhelmer> AlexC: instead of starting windows from the harddrive, it starts ubuntu from CDROM
[09:00] <bur[n] er> AlexC: and make sure your BIOS is set to boot from CD... or... maybe your BIOS has a f12 option to pick boot device
[09:01] <AlexC> rhelmer: ok then, i get it now, i have an option of where to boot from
[09:01] <noodle> Dekon: command+k so i'd say gui? it's Finders connect to share
[09:01] <bur[n] er> AlexC: yes
[09:01] <bur[n] er> generally, PCs 1st priority is the cd rom anyway
[09:01] <robotgeek> noodle: u brought back OSX memories!
[09:01] <rhelmer> AlexC: yes.. as bur[n] er says it can be changed on the machine, in the BIOS.. nowadays the CD rom is usually tried first, then hard drive
[09:02] <noodle> robotgeek: lol :)
[09:02] <Dekon> Try using smbclient //ip/sharename from the command line and see what happens. Might tell you something interesting.
[09:02] <bur[n] er> noodle: why is it that you're using OS X instead of Gnome? :)
[09:02] <AlexC> rhelmer - bur[n] er: ok, thanks alot guys
[09:02] <Dekon> Gnome is a memory hog s'why I don't use it ;P
[09:02] <noodle> bur[n] er: i use both >< aqua on os x gnome on ubuntu :P
[09:02] <noodle> Dekon: brb testing it
[09:02] <robotgeek> wow...OS X has been ported to ubuntu lol
[09:03] <bur[n] er> noodle: tiger or panther?
[09:03] <robotgeek> i don't think tiger would work well on my laptop
[09:04] <noodle> bur[n] er: tiger
[09:04] <bur[n] er> noodle: just curious... if you were hoping for insight, i'm sorry... I just wanted to confirm that Apple was still crappy with windows shares with Tiger too ;)
[09:05] <Dekon> noodle: Any luck?
[09:05] <stizoner> when doing hdparm should i edit it as /dev/hdg or the actual partition i use /dev/hdg1 ?
[09:05] <wizo> O.o
[09:06] <wizo> /dev/hda
[09:06] <noodle> Dekon: it just says Domain=[WORKGROUP] OS=[Unix] Server=[Samba 3.0.14a-ubuntu] then asks for my password and i can connect
[09:06] <Dekon> So no problem connecting from command line. I don't know anything about OSX from that on. Can you do what you need to from cli?
[09:07] <stizoner> hda? whats that mean all drives?
[09:07] <wizo> it means
[09:07] <wizo> yur hard drive
[09:07] <wizo> for me
[09:07] <stizoner> my hard drive is hdg
[09:07] <wizo> err ok
[09:07] <wizo> do hdg then
[09:07] <noodle> Dekon: pretty much, but it shouldn't be asking for my password at all should it? i elected for no authentication r/w public share (last section) on ubuntuguide.org
[09:07] <stizoner> k lol
[09:07] <aqua> anyone here have a problem with ubuntu on nvidia systems
[09:08] <bur[n] er> ndg? wtf... you have 8 hard drives/cdroms
[09:08] <aqua> screen always goes out of sync on start up
[09:08] <Dekon> noodle: Just hit enter. It always asks me for my password when I connect to my gf's windows machine as well. I just hit enter.
[09:08] <wizo> bur[n] er: i was wondering
[09:08] <noodle> Dekon: ah ok
[09:08] <nightmaster> Dekon: hacking ur gf?
[09:08] <wizo> bur[n] er: nvidia, i doubt its that good
[09:09] <wizo> bur[n] er: i tried install the drivers for it, but i ended up with a blank screen when start up
[09:09] <wizo> lolx
[09:09] <Dekon> nightmaster: No. We keep our music folders open to one another and a few other various dirs.
[09:09] <noodle> Dekon: but still doesn't explain why i can't "browse" via command+k smb://ip, if i do that it stays "connecting..." for ever :(
[09:09] <nightmaster> Dekon: how cute and technological
[09:09] <Dekon> Yeh. I can't explain that :/
[09:09] <aqua> huh?
[09:09] <f_newton> deckon thats a windows thingt
[09:09] <rhelmer> stizoner: the device not partition
[09:09] <rhelmer> stizoner: e.g. /dev/hdg
[09:09] <bur[n] er> hrm... time for bed, night all
[09:09] <aqua> i changed xorg.conf to use nvidia driver and added nvidia to /etc/modules
[09:10] <wizo> nite bur[n] er
[09:10] <aqua> why the **** would it go out of sync :(
[09:10] <noodle> oh well :|
[09:10] <Dekon> f_newton: What's a windows thing?
[09:10] <wizo> aqua: mine cant even find my laptop screen after i install drivers
[09:10] <aqua> heh
[09:10] <f_newton> hitting enter when it asks for password and accepting that as auth
[09:11] <f_newton> you can also easily overflow the password buffer
[09:11] <Dekon> f_newton: If I turn it on and set passwords I have to actually give a password before it lets me in.
[09:11] <f_newton> yes
[09:12] <Dekon> I assumed it always asked for one regardless of system.
[09:12] <wizo> anyone has any idea y i cant play sounds on flash sites?
[09:12] <f_newton> unless you take advantage of the password buffer overflow glitch
[09:12] <aqua> anyone know why i cant do 1600x1200 :(
[09:12] <rhelmer> aqua: what kind of video card?
[09:12] <Dekon> Why would I do that? Her machine is two feet to my right and I have an admin account on her machine :P
[09:12] <wizo> nvidia im guessing
[09:12] <stizoner> the instructions for hdparm could be a little easyier, lol.. i have 2 maxtor drives very modern, ex: one 8mb cache one 16mb cache, and its hooked up to a promise fastrack ata133 controller, and i remember in windows the driver for it has write caching ON and recommends it
[09:13] <Seveas> wizo, wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[09:13] <Seveas> one-line fix
[09:13] <wizo> oo
[09:13] <rhelmer> wizo: it's the sound server
[09:13] <f_newton> bbiab
[09:13] <wizo> google didnt turn that site up as a result
[09:13] <rhelmer> wizo: esd
[09:13] <rhelmer> wizo: if you turn off esd firefox can play sound in flash..
[09:13] <rhelmer> wizo: kind of annoying :/
[09:13] <Seveas> rhelmer, not needed
[09:13] <Seveas> rhelmer, read that page I gave wizo
[09:14] <DukGalNamu> how is ubuntu support for usb mice and keyboards?
[09:14] <wizo> my uni just received 100 copies of ubuntu
[09:14] <Seveas> DukGalNamu, good
[09:14] <DukGalNamu> Seveas: at install?
[09:14] <Seveas> yes
[09:14] <DukGalNamu> Seveas: ever hear of mac on linux?
[09:14] <Seveas> usb mice/keyboards work out of the box as long as they speak the standard protocol (which all do)
[09:15] <DukGalNamu> ahh
[09:15] <Seveas> it's just the 'hotkeys' that don't always work, but that's the same on windows without drivers installed
[09:15] <DukGalNamu> or pearpc
[09:15] <rhelmer> Seveas: ah.. cool thanks
[09:15] <Seveas> I heard of MoL, apparently is nice. But I don't own a mac, so never tried it
[09:16] <DukGalNamu> Seveas: k, just wondering...
[09:17] <bobulor> hi everyone
[09:17] <Seveas> ho
[09:17] <Seveas> hi even
[09:17] <mattyJ> is there anyway to get the trash can on the desktop??
[09:17] <wizo> wooohooo
[09:17] <wizo> thanks Seveas
[09:17] <bobulor> before I begin this eveing I need to make a single, vital point clear. I = noob
[09:18] <bobulor> with that said I need help getting my music players to work. Can anyone offer a suggestion?
[09:18] <Seveas> mattyJ, not that I know of, the panel is also more appropriate for it imho :)
[09:18] <power-X> Whoa.
[09:18] <Seveas> bobulor, of course we can
[09:18] <Seveas> !mp3
[09:18] <ubotu> from memory, mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[09:18] <power-X> I just found Ubuntu--they really send free CDs to people?
[09:18] <Seveas> ^-- read that page bobulor
[09:18] <HrdwrBoB> power-X: yes
[09:18] <Office> I'm having problems logging into Ubuntu 5.04 on VMware
[09:18] <Seveas> If you have any questions after that, come back and ask
[09:18] <mattyJ> Seveas: you used to be able to, weird they would take that out
[09:19] <Seveas> power-X, yes, http://shipit.ubuntu.com
[09:19] <Office> The screen is all distored at the GNOME splash, and I can't work out how to fix it
[09:19] <power-X> HrdwrBoB: Okay...why?
[09:19] <Office> Booting up though, everything else appears clearly
[09:19] <wizo> power-X: the only compromise is that it takes 1.5months
[09:19] <aqua> hmm
[09:19] <Seveas> mattyJ, maybe a simple ln -s ~/.Trash ~/Desktop/Trashcan does work
[09:19] <wizo> but its good though
[09:19] <aqua> i just want a 1600x1200 resolution :(
[09:19] <Office> Anyone?
[09:19] <salvius> need some help... ubuntu does not display battery life
[09:20] <Seveas> salvius, added the correct applet to your panel?
[09:20] <power-X> wizo: Oh, that's unfortunate.
[09:20] <Seveas> aqua, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:20] <wizo> power-X: its worth it
[09:20] <power-X> wizo: I was going to order Debian from cheapbytes, but they charge $18 + shipping now
[09:20] <wizo> but i might forget that u actually ordered it
[09:20] <wizo> u*
[09:20] <Seveas> power-X, the send out approx. 120.000 cds per week, there is quite a backlog sometimes..
[09:20] <Office> help please.... when i get to GNOME log in, the screen is garbled.. how do i do an xconfig?
[09:20] <salvius> seveas: how can I know which applet is correct?
[09:20] <f_newton> download deb if you want it.... my suggestion is to use ubuntu
[09:20] <wizo> power-X: where about are u?
[09:21] <rhelmer> salvius: it's called "Battery Charge Monitor"
[09:21] <Seveas> salvius, the "Battery Charge Monitor"
[09:21] <KarlosII> will Ubuntu AMD64 install on DELL????
[09:21] <KarlosII> dual core
[09:21] <salvius> seveas: ya, that's the one...
[09:21] <Seveas> KarlosII, dells don't ship amd afaik, so no
[09:21] <Seveas> salvius, that should work...
[09:21] <f_newton> not as of yet they dont
[09:21] <KarlosII> Seveas: um
[09:21] <f_newton> they have discussed it however
[09:21] <Seveas> do you boot without acpi?
[09:22] <power-X> wizo: Arizona, USA
[09:22] <power-X> But who is paying for sending all those CDs out?
[09:22] <KarlosII> Seveas: AMD64 = INTEL EMT64 pretty much except for some extra extensions for EMT64
[09:22] <wizo> power-X: if u were in melbourne, u could come to my uni to grab one
[09:22] <salvius> seveas: it displays: "system is running on battery power Unknown time (0%) remaining"
[09:22] <Office> does anyone know how i can get the screen to display clearly? it only happens once the boot reaches the gnome login screen
[09:22] <wizo> my tutor ordered 100 10 weeks ago
[09:22] <wizo> finally arrived
[09:22] <f_newton> why would you need 100 disks?
[09:23] <wizo> for uni
[09:23] <KarlosII> :)
[09:23] <Seveas> salvius, cat /proc/acpi/battery/*/state
[09:23] <Seveas> salvius, cat /proc/acpi/battery/*/info
[09:23] <power-X> Anyone know?
[09:23] <wizo> computer science students
[09:23] <Seveas> if that gives you weird things, paste it on the pastebin
[09:23] <Seveas> power-X, canonical pays
[09:23] <KarlosII> Seveas: AMD64 = INTEL EMT64 pretty much except for some extra extensions for EMT64
[09:23] <wizo> power-X: its some multi millionaire
[09:23] <robotgeek> Mr. Mark Shuttleworth, i guess
[09:23] <power-X> Who is canonical?
[09:23] <wizo> yesh
[09:23] <Seveas> KarlosII, you might give it a try, I can guarantee nothingm never heard of someone who tried
[09:23] <HrdwrBoB> KarlosII: the other way around
[09:23] <wizo> thats the name
[09:24] <wizo> shuttleworth
[09:24] <HrdwrBoB> KarlosII: EM64t is a pointless waste of time
[09:24] <Seveas> power-X, Canonical is the company that sponsors Ubuntu
[09:24] <KarlosII> HrdwrBoB: nononon
[09:24] <Crissy> hi, since apt-get -u update or apt-get -u dist-upgrade doesn't update my firefox I downloaded it as a file. How do I install it from /home/mima/My Downloads/Apps
[09:24] <Seveas> www.canonical.com
[09:24] <salvius> seveas: state -- unable to read battery status
[09:24] <wizo> who is also an astronaut
[09:24] <KarlosII> HrdwrBoB: that is incorrect
[09:24] <Office> need help please... how can i get ubuntu 5.04 to display GNOME clearly under VMware?
[09:24] <salvius> seveas: the info displays correctly, I believe
[09:24] <Seveas> salvius, do you have noacpi or other acpi boot parameters?
[09:24] <KarlosII> vmware
[09:24] <KarlosII> wow
[09:24] <Office> yes
[09:24] <Office> on XP
[09:24] <Seveas> Office: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[09:24] <HrdwrBoB> KarlosII: how is that incorrect.
[09:24] <KarlosII> Office: figured
[09:25] <salvius> saveas: not that I know of.
[09:25] <power-X> Seveas,wizo: So what does this guy get out of doing this?
[09:25] <KarlosII> Because 8 people have told me this: AMD64 = INTEL EMT64 pretty much except for some extra extensions for EMT64
[09:25] <Seveas> salvius, try acpi=force as boot parameter
[09:25] <robotgeek> does anyone know how to get my external usb hdd to show up at the same place like, /dev/sda1 or so?
[09:25] <HrdwrBoB> KarlosII: yes that's correct
[09:25] <rhelmer> power-X: Mark Shuttleworth did an interesting talk at Debconf about just that
[09:25] <HrdwrBoB> KarlosII: but the point is, em64t is a hack
[09:25] <salvius> saveas: I shall try... if it works, any way to make it permanent?
[09:25] <HrdwrBoB> KarlosII: amd64 was first, and it actually runs faster
[09:25] <KarlosII> HrdwrBoB: I know
[09:26] <Seveas> robotgeek, it should automount to /media/LABEL_OF_USBDISK_FILESYSTEM
[09:26] <HrdwrBoB> KarlosII: em64t will on the whole make your system SLOWER
[09:26] <HrdwrBoB> and as such is a pointless waste of time
[09:26] <rhelmer> power-X: he is independently wealthy at this point; he started Thawte (SSL cert authority; sold to Verisign)
[09:26] <KarlosII> anyhow it's a dual core system
[09:26] <HrdwrBoB> dual core == SMP
[09:26] <HrdwrBoB> esp for P4
[09:26] <Seveas> power-X, he gets a kick out of it :)
[09:26] <aqua> WTF!
[09:27] <c0rrupt_> im trying to make install something
[09:27] <salvius> saveas: thank you for the help, I shall go try your suggestion now
[09:27] <rhelmer> power-X: http://www.whiprush.org/2005/07/shuttleworths_d.html
[09:27] <c0rrupt_> i get this error[09:27] <c0rrupt_> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lpq
[09:27] <robotgeek> Seveas: it doesn't autmount for me, maybe i installed something which screws it up!
[09:27] <Seveas> c0rrupt_, then install libpq-dev or something
[09:27] <prasys> can someone help me.How can I get airporte exterme to work with ubuntu *under ppc*..will ndiswrapper work or is it only for x86
[09:27] <aqua> i watched ubuntu install gcc
[09:27] <KarlosII> HrdwrBoB: what do you mean by that?
[09:27] <cyphase> ubuntu should have a central address book system..
[09:27] <aqua> but its not there
[09:27] <Seveas> robotgeek, ubuntu or kubuntu?
[09:27] <robotgeek> prasys: it won't work, period
[09:27] <robotgeek> Seveas: ubuntu
[09:27] <c0rrupt_> no such package
[09:27] <prasys> thanks robotgeek
[09:27] <Seveas> cyphase, there will be
[09:27] <HrdwrBoB> KarlosII: I mean that SMP is the same as dual core for intel chips
[09:27] <cyphase> besides evolution
[09:27] <prasys> i hate broadcom
[09:28] <HrdwrBoB> dual core intel is two cores glued together
[09:28] <Seveas> c0rrupt_, apt-cache search libpq | grep dev
[09:28] <KarlosII> HrdwrBoB: right
[09:28] <power-X> rhelmer: This is just weird. I used to follow the Linux happenings for a while, then I kind of dropped out, now I'm looking to install Linux again and there are all of these distros I've never heard of, Ubuntu being one of them.
[09:28] <cyphase> Seveas, i know :)
[09:28] <cyphase> but i mean soon
[09:28] <c0rrupt_> libpqxx-dev?
[09:28] <cyphase> not eventually
[09:28] <cyphase> but i can't ask to much
[09:28] <cyphase> breezy is great :)
[09:28] <cyphase> so far..
[09:28] <c0rrupt_> libpqxx-dev - C++ library to connect to PostgreSQL (development files)
[09:28] <robotgeek> Seveas: i had gnome-volume-manager removed, gonna reinstall and watch
[09:28] <rhelmer> power-X: :) you probably know this, but it's debian based.. some of the debian developers were hired by Canonical Ltd. to create ubuntu
[09:29] <c0rrupt_> that?
[09:29] <KarlosII> where can i publish feature requests for breezy
[09:29] <rhelmer> power-X: was called "no-name-yet" for a while :)
[09:29] <Seveas> robotgeek, g-v-m is indeed responsible for this, together with hal & pmount
[09:29] <cyphase> KarlosII, you can't now
[09:29] <power-X> rhelmer: So Canonical is non-profit?
[09:29] <KarlosII> bummer
[09:29] <cyphase> Aug. 11 was the deadline
[09:29] <robotgeek> Seveas: thanks
[09:29] <c0rrupt_> Seveas, ?
[09:29] <c0rrupt_> libpqxx-dev?
[09:29] <KarlosII> cyphase: oh well
[09:29] <Seveas> c0rrupt_, yes
[09:29] <c0rrupt_> k
[09:29] <aqua> /dev 897M 106M 744M 13% /.dev
[09:29] <aqua> wtf is that
[09:29] <cyphase> KarlosII, you can call your feature a bug though..
[09:29] <Seveas> or postgresql-dv
[09:30] <Seveas> aqua, nothing peculiar
[09:30] <Seveas> it just means that /dev and /.dev are the same
[09:30] <KarlosII> heh
[09:30] <rhelmer> power-X: no.. they are working on "ubuntu foundation" which would be though
[09:30] <soad> i have problems with memory i think, so i cant install ubuntu and no other OS. It is restarting my cpu..but can i test my memory somehow with ubuntu's installation CD. At the beginning of instalation i can insert kernel's command..i am totally n00b
[09:31] <rhelmer> power-X: canonical will provide support, and there will be an "enterprise" ubuntu, but it'll always be free
[09:31] <bobulor> seveas: I made changes to synaptic based on repositories that had something to do with ubuntu not have the ability to do something
[09:31] <bobulor> seveas: it's cranking away at something... i hope
[09:31] <freddy> anyone have tried installing pitivi on ubuntu?
[09:31] <Seveas> bobulor, hmm, paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list on the pastebin
[09:31] <rhelmer> power-X: the video of his talk is quite interesting on that point, to me.. I don't think they are focused really on the business model, just on doing it right and seeing what happens..
[09:31] <c0-> i wanna ask.. does ubuntu really free of charge??
[09:32] <freddy> O_o
[09:32] <Seveas> yes c0-
[09:32] <c0rrupt_> thanks seveas
[09:32] <bobulor> seveas: pastebin?
[09:32] <Seveas> !pastebin
[09:32] <ubotu> well, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[09:32] <Seveas> ^--
[09:32] <bobulor> ???
[09:32] <bobulor> !pastebin?
[09:32] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[09:32] <KarlosII> re topic
[09:32] <freddy> follow the damn link :D
[09:32] <KarlosII> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/
[09:32] <c0-> have anyone tried to deliver it to indonesia?
[09:32] <c0-> i'm in indonesia
[09:33] <KarlosII> and rtft
[09:33] <Seveas> c0-, the cds are delivered worldwide
[09:33] <c0-> ic..
[09:33] <power-X> rhelmer: Well, my computer doesn't have sound at the moment :)
[09:33] <freddy> read the fuc**** what KarlosII ?
[09:33] <rhelmer> power-X: hehe
[09:33] <Seveas> freddy, topic
[09:33] <freddy> oh
[09:33] <freddy> lol
[09:33] <KarlosII> freddy: read the topic
[09:33] <rhelmer> power-X: i don't know of a transcript at this time.. it's the most info I've heard on what's going on "behind the scenes" so far..
[09:33] <freddy> so, anyone tried pitivi?
[09:34] <freddy> im having an error when starting it :(
[09:34] <power-X> rhelmer: So it's kind of creepy?
[09:34] <rhelmer> power-X: creepy? hehe no i don't think so
[09:34] <Seveas> freddy, what is the error? (if it's large -> pastebin)
[09:34] <bobulor> seveas: bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied
[09:34] <freddy> hold on a sex Seveas
[09:34] <rhelmer> power-X: what did i say that gave that impression?
[09:34] <soad> i have problems with memory i think, so i cant install ubuntu and no other OS. It is restarting my cpu..but can i test my memory somehow with ubuntu's installation CD. At the beginning of instalation i can insert kernel's command..i am totally n00b
[09:34] <freddy> err
[09:34] <freddy> sec
[09:34] <Seveas> :)
[09:34] <freddy> lol
[09:35] <Seveas> bobulor, gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:35] <rolo> Hi people, good morning. How do I install Macromedia Flash in Firefox?
[09:35] <rhelmer> soad: there is a boot option, "memtest86", installed by ubuntu.. i believe it is on the livecd as well
[09:36] <power-X> rhelmer: Well, I mean you don't know the agenda.
[09:36] <freddy> Seveas,
[09:36] <freddy> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1463
[09:37] <rhelmer> power-X: well, I don't think he has much motivation to do "whatever it takes" to make money, and he has no shareholders to answer to.. most of the projects he runs are charitable
[09:37] <Seveas> freddy, that's simply a bug in pitivi, notify the pitivi developers about it
[09:38] <freddy> oh
[09:38] <rolo> Can somebody tell me how I install Macromedia Flash on Ubuntu?
[09:38] <freddy> not good
[09:38] <Seveas> !flash
[09:38] <ubotu> I heard flash is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:38] <freddy> gonna email them
[09:38] <rhelmer> power-X: as with anything it's a trust issue :) I have a lot of trust for the particular debian developers involved, but there's of course personal bias and all that
[09:38] <wizo> mad
[09:39] <wizo> this old man gave a 19 year old waitress a porsche
[09:39] <bobulor> seveas: i got the post finished
[09:39] <wizo> as a tip
[09:39] <bobulor> who is ubotu
[09:39] <rhelmer> power-X: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/ has more info on the man who started canonical..
[09:39] <bobulor> !ubotu
[09:39] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my brain on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:39] <power-X> rhelmer: Okay. See, at first it sounded like charity, and then you say it's for profit. That just didn't work out in my head.
[09:39] <power-X> rhelmer: Is ordering 10 CDs too much?
[09:40] <bobulor> !fixmycomp
[09:40] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, bobulor
[09:40] <bobulor> dang
[09:40] <rhelmer> power-X: np. it's complicated... canonical ltd. is intended to make money somehow, but they don't seem to be in a hurry
[09:40] <power-X> rhelmer: I only need one, but it said to feel free to order more, and the default was ten.
[09:40] <Seveas> bobulor, that sources.list looks ok, what's the problem?
[09:40] <rhelmer> power-X: well i can't speak for them; i ordered a bunch myself to give out
[09:40] <bobulor> seveas: none of my music players work
[09:40] <rhelmer> power-X: i think the shipit web page will warn you if you ask for an unreasonable amount
[09:40] <power-X> rhelmer: Yeah, I know some people I can give away to.
[09:40] <robotgeek> Seveas: thanks, it worked
[09:41] <Seveas> power-X, the cost of shipping is way higher than the cost of cds :)
[09:41] <rolo> When I hit apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree it says the package does not exist
[09:41] <power-X> Seveas: yeah
[09:41] <Seveas> bobulor, sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:41] <power-X> Seveas: Where are they shipping from, any ideas?
[09:41] <Seveas> that makes totem/rhythmbox play MP3
[09:41] <rhelmer> power-X: mine came from the netherlands ..
[09:41] <Seveas> power-X, hoary is shipping from the netherlands
[09:41] <bobulor> seveas: I used Sound Juicer CD Ripper to get some songs off of some cd's. They are in the ogg format. Whenever I try to load them into xmms or something i get an error or something freezes up
[09:42] <Seveas> bobulor: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound
[09:42] <power-X> Oh wow, I think that's the other side of the world.
[09:42] <Seveas> totem/rhythmbox should play ogg without any hassle
[09:42] <rolo> power not for me =P
[09:42] <freddy> jesus, i ordered a copy, im in venezuela, its going to take a while until it get here
[09:42] <Seveas> power-X, the cd's are being shipped form a place 50km from me and they still took 6 weeks to arrive :)
[09:43] <bobulor> seveas: in response to your previous command
[09:43] <rolo> I downloaded it..
[09:43] <rolo> :P
[09:43] <freddy> Seveas, lol seriously?
[09:43] <bobulor> seveas: i got: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[09:43] <bobulor> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[09:43] <Seveas> freddy, yes, most of the time goes into the waiting queue at the CD manufacturer :)
[09:43] <power-X> Seveas: Well, I'm not in that big of a hurry. But I always wanted to try Debian, so this will give me my chance.
[09:43] <bobulor> seveas: how do i change my audio plugin?
[09:43] <rhelmer> freddy: why not download the CD image in the meantime? that is what i did :) i only asked for some to be shipped to give away nice printed copied
[09:43] <Seveas> bobulor, close synaptic while doing this
[09:43] <rhelmer> er s/copied/copies/
[09:44] <freddy> well, thats what i did too rhelmer ;)
[09:44] <samp> Can someone give me a link of all the potential software I can run on the Ubuntu OS?
[09:44] <power-X> samp: Are you familiar with GNU/Linux?
[09:44] <Seveas> samp, http://packages.ubuntu.com is a list of officially shipped packages
[09:44] <samp> Yes
[09:44] <bobulor> seveas: gstreamer0.8-mad is already the newest version.
[09:44] <bobulor> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded.
[09:44] <Seveas> and there is about 10x as much on sites like sourceforge.net or berlios.de
[09:45] <rhelmer> freddy: i guess we are just ahead of the game then :)
[09:45] <freddy> yup
[09:45] <freddy> hehe
[09:45] <bobulor> seveas: how do i change my audio plugin?
[09:45] <freddy> i love this distro, it is just outregous
[09:45] <rhelmer> bobulor: it is in the settings..
[09:45] <rhelmer> bobulor: depends on the player.. xmms?
[09:45] <bobulor> why not
[09:46] <c0rrupt_> Compiled without LIBSSH support, module not available!
[09:46] <c0rrupt_> how can i install libssh
[09:46] <rhelmer> bobulor: ctrl-p, under "output plugin" select "esound output plugin"
[09:46] <c0rrupt_> support
[09:46] <rhelmer> bobulor: click ok
[09:46] <power-X> What is Warty, Hoary, and Breezy?
[09:46] <samp> It is so difficult to get anywhere on a programming project
[09:46] <ilba7r> !breezy
[09:46] <ubotu> hmm... breezy is the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It can and will be broken, and can damage your system. Differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/
[09:46] <stizoner> whats devfs?
[09:47] <aqua> ok got my monitor working
[09:47] <robotgeek> life has been cool after i disabled my capslock key!
[09:47] <ilba7r> !info breezy
[09:47] <samp> Is ubuntu the best OS?
[09:47] <aqua> i had to set refresh rates
[09:47] <aqua> samp; ubuntu isnt an OS
[09:47] <c0rrupt_> , module not available!:
[09:47] <c0rrupt_> meh
[09:47] <samp> It is a distribution of an OS.
[09:47] <bobulor> rhelmer: I made the change. Does that fix it?
[09:47] <samp> Is it the best distribution?
[09:47] <stizoner> samp yes
[09:47] <rhelmer> bobulor: you tell me :) it changes the output plugin; does it work now?
[09:48] <stizoner> its the best OS
[09:48] <rolo> the best, the best
[09:48] <bobulor> ill try loading a song
[09:48] <rhelmer> bobulor: i have xmms set that way, and works on my laptop
[09:48] <rolo> what is the best
[09:48] <robotgeek> ubuntu is an it just works distro
[09:48] <robotgeek> of course, u probably are here cause it doesn't!
[09:48] <stizoner> downloads my pron 33% faster then the leading OS
[09:48] <rolo> stizoner: lol
[09:48] <samp> I am here to get a few tips.
[09:48] <power-X> So which version will they send me?
[09:48] <samp> I just bought a windows machine.
[09:48] <stizoner> lol
[09:48] <rolo> samp: go to the terminal and type yes then enter xP
[09:49] <ompaul> stizoner, u have pron?
[09:49] <aqua> stizoner; its pr0n get it right
[09:49] <stizoner> only like a terrabyte of it
[09:49] <power-X> Eh, you guys and your porn.
[09:49] <robotgeek> damn...i keep seeing pron as porn!
[09:49] <rolo> it's the same =)
[09:49] <stizoner> it is robotgeek
[09:49] <bobulor> rhelmer: i hit the load list button and tried to load up a song. in the song list window about 16000 songs showed up made up of random characters
[09:49] <aqua> touch my norp
[09:49] <aqua> err haha
[09:49] <power-X> Where did that come from anyway? "pron"
[09:49] <aqua> nrop
[09:49] <aqua> power-x; some kid and a typo
[09:49] <Beruga> It's a censor bypass, if I recall correctly.
[09:49] <bobulor> rhelmer: i dont think it worked
[09:49] <rolo> power, just a typo '1337' kids thought it was good
[09:49] <rhelmer> bobulor: don't know about the "random characters" issue, that's odd
[09:49] <robotgeek> i guess pron was typed in hurry!
[09:50] <rhelmer> bobulor: can you just load a song and see if it works?
[09:50] <cyphase> hopefully breezy will ship with the beagle extension for firefox installed..
[09:50] <bobulor> rhelmer: i just tried to
[09:50] <rolo> power-x it's like 'PWN' instead of 'own' and 't3h' and shit.
[09:50] <rhelmer> bobulor: why not use rhythmbox, or totem, or something not-awful (like xmms) :)
[09:50] <rolo> You know
[09:50] <power-X> Maybe "pron" or "porn" when typed with one hand.
[09:50] <power-X> *or --> is
[09:50] <bobulor> rhelmer: ok, how do i get whatever you're talking about?
[09:50] <rhelmer> bobulor: well, not sure what the problem is.. what list did you try to load?
[09:51] <robotgeek> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/children/kidtalk.mspx
[09:51] <stizoner> the best place to get pRon is empornium, its like porno heaven, i got 500gb up/down for 10months, but theres members who must be server admins or something with 1000's terrabytes
[09:51] <robotgeek> explains it all!
[09:51] <rhelmer> bobulor: you can use the Synaptic Package Manager in System->Administration
[09:51] <emile> i have a tvcard and audio output on soundcard, can i get audio output on usb headset too?
[09:51] <robotgeek> stizoner: can i porn-get it?
[09:51] <rhelmer> bobulor: can you try loading one song, using the "eject" button in xmms?
[09:51] <bobulor> rhelmer: /home/robert/music/MyCD2 is my directory for xmms
[09:51] <emile> using tvtime
[09:51] <stizoner> no but u can command line bittorrent
[09:52] <bobulor> rhelmer: what eject button?
[09:52] <rhelmer> bobulor: in xmms
[09:52] <stizoner> xmms is major ugly
[09:52] <rhelmer> bobulor: it looks like "eject", like an arrow pointing up with a line under it..
[09:52] <rhelmer> bobulor: bad metaphor :)
[09:52] <rhelmer> xmms is t3h l4m3
[09:52] <rolo> tar xvjf gplflash-0.4.13.tar.bz2
[09:52] <rolo> uups
[09:52] <rolo> wrong page
[09:52] <rolo> xp
[09:52] <rolo> xP
[09:53] <rolo> wrong 'werkblad', wtf is that in English lol
[09:53] <rhelmer> bobulor: i have xmms installed in hoary, and it works fine, but it's not really ideal for media playing imho
[09:53] <ompaul> robotgeek, what search brought that on?
[09:53] <rhelmer> bobulor: i like rhythmbox for music, muine is also nice, totem (the movie player) can even play most formats
[09:54] <emile> rhelmer: what do you use for mozilla video?
[09:54] <robotgeek> ompaul: microsoft l33t
[09:54] <bobulor> rhelmer: i did it the way you said. this time it played through the song really fast ( a 4 minute song in about 5 seconds) and made no sound
[09:54] <rhelmer> emile: mozilla-mplayer
[09:54] <bobulor> rhelmer: i have muine, it doesn't work either
[09:54] <rhelmer> emile: not ideal imho
[09:54] <stizoner> what the fuck is wtf?
[09:55] <robotgeek> ompaul: i got the link a long time ago, off a blog
[09:55] <rolo> Lol!
[09:55] <emile> rhelmer: k ;-)
[09:55] <rolo> Lol stizoner.
[09:55] <stizoner> :P
[09:55] <robotgeek> :)
[09:55] <rhelmer> bobulor: perhaps you have deeper problems :)
[09:55] <robotgeek> !lart stizoner
[09:55] <rhelmer> bobulor: go to System->Preferences->Sound
[09:55] <emile> i'm having a little trouble getting sound output to usb headset from tvtime, can someone please help?
[09:55] <samp> does ubuntu support sd cards and wireless internet?
[09:55] <rolo> !lart robotgeek
[09:56] <rhelmer> bobulor: is "Enable sound server on startup" checked?
[09:56] <bobulor> rhelmer: ayep
[09:56] <robotgeek> permission denied, are u root?
[09:56] <rolo> sudo
[09:56] <rhelmer> bobulor: ok.. hmm.. have you ever heard ubuntu make sound? :)
[09:56] <ompaul> robotgeek, :)
[09:56] <robotgeek> :D
[09:57] <emile> tvtime is working, i have a picture and i also have sound over internal soundcard, however not over usb headset
[09:57] <bobulor> rhelmer: sound works fine for normal stuff: like when i try to type something and I can't it beeps. Sound also works for games like WoW
[09:57] <rolo> My flash wont....install......like, what do I do?
[09:57] <emile> xmms eg does play over headset
[09:57] <rhelmer> bobulor: WoW under ubuntu?
[09:57] <rhelmer> bobulor: the "beep" is PC speaker and happens at a different level, doesn't require a sound driver
[09:58] <bobulor> rhelmer: talk to muk_amd64 on #gentoo-amd64 to find out how he did it
[09:58] <rhelmer> bobulor: ?
[09:58] <rhelmer> bobulor: did what? :)
[09:58] <bobulor> rhelmer: he was the one who put my computer together, physically. He went to the stor with me, told me what to get, put it all together and initially put gentoo on it
[09:59] <rhelmer> bobulor: but now you have ubuntu?
[09:59] <bobulor> rhelmer: gentoo was way over my head so he put ubuntu on for me... which is also way over my head
[09:59] <emile> i switched to ubuntu 2 days ago
[09:59] <emile> i like it ;-)
[09:59] <rhelmer> bobulor: :) ok .. it sounds like maybe your sound driver is not being detected/loaded, or perhaps the sound server cannot start
[10:00] <bobulor> rhelmer: muk_amd64 = computer guru, I = dontunderstandagoddamthing
[10:00] <rhelmer> bobulor: can you start a terminal and run the following:
[10:00] <salvius> hello, can anyone help me figure out why my battery monitor isn't working?
[10:00] <rhelmer> bobulor: hmm well can't you consult with him then ? :)
[10:00] <ompaul> bobulor, was that other operating system hard to use? (not gentoo the one before that :-))
[10:01] <bobulor> ompaul: gentoo was my first, and was too hard for me to keep up with. muk_amd64 gave me ubuntu
[10:01] <emile> does anyone of you guys have sound output from tvtime over an usb headset, and if yes how did you do it?
[10:02] <bobulor> rhelmer: I came here b/c muk is primarily a gentoo guy, and he couldn't solve my problems
[10:02] <rhelmer> bobulor: ok i would check the following in the terminal: ps -ef | grep esd
[10:02] <rhelmer> bobulor: basically, is esd (the sound server) running?
[10:02] <bobulor> rhelmer: robert 7928 1 0 Aug20 ? 00:00:00 /usr/bin/esd -nobeeps
[10:02] <bobulor> robert 28601 28079 0 02:02 pts/1 00:00:00 grep esd
[10:03] <bobulor> rhelmer: what's that mean?
[10:03] <rhelmer> bobulor: ok so it's running.. it was able to start up.. that's good :)
[10:03] <bobulor> rhelmer: what told you it's running?
[10:03] <rhelmer> bobulor: esd is runnig .. /usr/bin/esd -nobeeps
[10:04] <brent> has anybody ever heard of any train simulators for a young child? Just thought id ask while googling for hours to find one for my nephew.
[10:04] <bobulor> rhelmer: ...ok, so what's my next test?
[10:04] <rhelmer> bobulor: ok check System->Multimedia Systems Selector
[10:04] <sergi86> #palafrugell
[10:04] <rhelmer> under Audio tab, make sure the Default sink and Default source are ESD - Enlightened Sound Daemon
[10:05] <rhelmer> bobulor: you can click the "test" button there
[10:05] <rhelmer> bobulor: beware - the test sound is annoying :) make sure your speakers are not too high
[10:06] <emile> brent: there is something called trainz which has something to do with trains.
[10:06] <bobulor> rhelmer: they were on alsa. when i clicked test and waited a few seconds, nothing happened
[10:06] <rhelmer> bobulor: ok try changing to ESD instead of alsa
[10:06] <bobulor> rhelmer: i did make the change, and tested afterwards. Nothing happened
[10:07] <rhelmer> bobulor: the sound server (esd) allows multiple sounds to be played at once, on any sound card .. high end sound cards can actually play more than one sound at once
[10:07] <brent> emile: thanks, checking out now ;)
[10:08] <catfox> hi all. i'm just starting out with python/glade development and hit a stumbling block.
[10:08] <catfox> is there anyone here with a little experience of it? (i'm trying to get the X button to call gtk.main_quit()
[10:08] <bobulor> rhelmer: after I made the change, testing the default sink as esd made no noise. testing the default source made no noise and froze the testing pipeline application. I had to force quit it
[10:09] <catfox> oh crap, i did it! :)
[10:09] <Seveas> catfox, #python might be more appropriate
[10:09] <catfox> Seveas, ok, thanks.
[10:09] <brent> emile: lol, that looks cool for me, a 28 y.o. my bad though, I need one a bit less complicated. My nephew is three, lol. But ty anyway.
[10:10] <bobulor> rhelmer: just for grins I changed the default sink back to alsa to test it. Not only did it not work but i got an error saying it couldn't even test alsa
[10:10] <emile> brent: i never used it i just saw it once. i'm not really into trains ;-)
[10:10] <Seveas> default source should be OSS, default sink ESD and esd should be running
[10:10] <bobulor> seveas: my comp is so screwed up. I think muk knew only about as much about ubuntu as me when he installed it
[10:10] <rhelmer> bobulor: if you want the sync to use alsa, you need to stop the sound server in System->Preferences->Sound
[10:11] <Lever> An update to the k7 kernel was issued yesterday or the day before.. Has anybody had any problems with it? I can no longer access my external harddrive, it's not detected anymore..
[10:11] <bobulor> rhelmer: i dont care whether it's in alsa or esd or any of the others. I dont know what they mean. Im just trying to make at least one of them work
[10:11] <rhelmer> bobulor: you generally want to leave sound server running though; it allows you to have more than one app making sound at once
[10:11] <rhelmer> bobulor: follow Saveas' advice above; make sure the default sink is ESD
[10:11] <brent> emile: its cool. no offense to you at all. I thank you. i just want to find a childrens game involving trains is all. something like thomas the train or something. he would love it. thanks anyway though
[10:11] <rhelmer> need to get some sleep... night all
[10:12] <emile> brent: yw
[10:12] <bobulor> rhelmer: after my fluke test of alsa, i made suyre everything was esd
[10:12] <Lever> brb
[10:12] <emile> is there an devicename in /dev for usbheadsets
[10:13] <Seveas> /dev/dsp2 (generally)
[10:13] <brent> ill keep searching. i wish walmart and such carried more linux games. wine perhaps would work, but i dont have it installed currently. might be a pain in the rear just to install one game. thinking of bustin out the ol W98 disk for dual boot, lol
[10:13] <emile> ok i'll try forcing tvtime audio output to that device
[10:13] <bobulor> seveas: rhelmer had me testing the default sink/source on Multimedia Systems Selector. I had both as esd but the test made no noise. What should I do?
[10:14] <Seveas> bobulor, default source should be oss, defult sink esd
[10:14] <Seveas> and check with pgrep esd whether esd is running
[10:15] <bobulor> seveas: I made the change for default source but the tests for both make no noise
[10:15] <Seveas> default source test should be silent, default sink can only make a noise if esd is running
[10:15] <Seveas> pgrep -l esd
[10:15] <Seveas> lsof /dev/dsp
[10:15] <bobulor> seveas: how do i know if esd is running? If not, how do i make it run?
[10:16] <bobulor> o
[10:16] <Seveas> paste the output of those commands in a private chat
[10:16] <emile> hmm doesnt make a difference using tvtime -x /dev/dsp2 still audio output on internal soundcard not on usb
[10:16] <bobulor> seveas: for "pgrep -l esd" i got the response 7928 esd
[10:17] <bobulor> seveas: how do i do private chat?
[10:17] <emile> in general can output from internal soundcard line-in be played on usb sound device?
[10:18] <Seveas> emile, hmm... sounds tricky...
[10:18] <Crissy> Couldn't find package flashplugin-nonfree, where do I point to for it to find it?
[10:18] <Seveas> flashplayer-mozilla - Macromedia Flash Player
[10:18] <emile> Seveas: what would be an approach if one wanted to try that?
[10:18] <Seveas> (multiverse)
[10:18] <Seveas> emile, it would require a line-in -> esd -> usb pipe
[10:19] <bobulor> seveas: it's getting late. Plus my lack of understanding/success is making my pissoff-o-meter hit its peak. Thank you for your help but I thinks it's best if I quit for the night. cya
[10:19] <Seveas> but the line-in -> esd part is the thing i'm not sure of
[10:19] <Seveas> bobulor, ok, cya later, sleep welL!
[10:19] <bobulor> aye
[10:20] <emile> Seveas: line-in is working i have audio output from linein on the speakers
[10:20] <emile> how to check if esd is processing those?
[10:21] <Seveas> you could try to record with esdrec (package esound-clients)
[10:21] <emile> i'll give it a try
[10:21] <Seveas> or esdmon
[10:22] <Crissy> seveas, this is what is in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflash-mozplugin.so is this all I need?
[10:22] <Seveas> dennis@mirage ~ $ apt-file search /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflash-mozplugin.solibflash-mozplugin: usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflash-mozplugin.so
[10:22] <TEG> Hi, I tried to install the kernel source in ubuntu but i keep getting this error : E: Couldn't find package kernel-source-2.6.10-5-386
[10:23] <Seveas> TEG, linux-source-2.6.10
[10:23] <TEG> what seveas?
[10:23] <Seveas> that's the package name...
[10:23] <TEG> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[10:24] <TEG> i do this
[10:24] <TEG> then it get that error
[10:24] <Seveas> there are no kernel-* packages in Ubuntu except for a few bad imports back in Warty
[10:24] <TEG> k
[10:24] <TEG> then how to i get the right kernel to install my NFORCE?
[10:24] <Seveas> you have it my default
[10:24] <Seveas> Ubuntu kernels support nforce
[10:25] <Lever> My external harddrive is no longer automatically detected.. It just suddenly stopped. It's still accessible in Windows, so it's not a hardware thing. How would I go about troubleshooting this?
[10:25] <TEG> no the installer says that i dont have the proper kernel
[10:25] <Seveas> possibly you need to load a few modules manually (like forcedeth for network)
[10:25] <Seveas> installer for what?
[10:25] <TEG> NFOCE
[10:25] <TEG> NFORCE
[10:25] <Seveas> don't use installers for that
[10:25] <Seveas> all you need is in the linux kernel
[10:25] <Seveas> and all you need is available in stock Ubuntu kernels
[10:27] <emile> Seveas: esdmon is not giving any output when playing tv. i followed the sound guide on ubuntuguide to get sound working (and it does except line-in -> usb)
[10:27] <Lever> My HD :'( Does anybody know what to do about it?
[10:27] <Seveas> eeek emile
[10:28] <Seveas> that part of ubuntuguide is the crappiest
[10:28] <Seveas> Lever, gnome-volume-manager and hald running?
[10:28] <Lever> Yes, that part of ubuntuguide messed things up for me.
[10:28] <Seveas> the entire ubuntuguide.org is crap
[10:28] <emile> hehe
[10:28] <ompaul> !tell teg about nvidia
[10:29] <Lever> well gnome-volume-manager is running...
[10:29] <keith> does anyone know if Evolution supprts hotmail.com
[10:29] <Lever> Oh I wouldn't say the entire guide is crap.. It did sort some things out
[10:30] <Seveas> keith, you can use hotway as a proxy
[10:30] <Lever> hald is not running, whatever that is :)
[10:30] <Lever> doesnt show up in the system monitor at least
[10:31] <Seveas> well, that's your problem then
[10:31] <Seveas> did you uninstall hal?
[10:31] <keith> seveas, is hotway another emil client?
[10:31] <Lever> ah well ps -A shows hald
[10:32] <Lever> No, I didn't do anything except update the k7 kernel.. that's the only thing I can think of.. the update was issued yesterday or the day before
[10:32] <Seveas> keith, it is a hotmail-to-pop3 proxy
[10:32] <Seveas> you run it as a service on your machine and you can connect your e-mail client to hotway, which will in turn contact the hotmail server
[10:33] <Lever> I tried booting the old 386 kernel, but that didnt find the drive anymore
[10:33] <Lever> meh, all my goodies are on that drive :|
[10:33] <lancellor> hey guys how do iget something like taskbar
[10:34] <keith> seveas> I'm new to this... how do you run services?
[10:35] <lancellor> when i run azureus and click the close button still running on background
[10:35] <Seveas> apt-get install hotway
[10:35] <Seveas> and read the docs in /usr/share/docs/hotway/
[10:36] <emile> lancellor: closing azureus leaves it running on the background leaving a clickable icon on the top right
[10:36] <keith> seveas, thanks.. I'll have to read up on it..
[10:37] <lancellor> i don't have the top right
[10:37] <KarlosII> WOW WOW WOW WOW, a breakthrough as big as the discovery of plastic and steel
[10:37] <KarlosII> http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/003330.html
[10:37] <KarlosII> carbon nanotubes mass production breakthrough
[10:37] <KarlosII> the world will change
[10:39] <emile> lancellor: you don't have a clock in the right upper corner?
[10:39] <ompaul> !hotmail
[10:39] <ubotu> I guess hotmail is if you must use this microsoft product, consider hotway: hotwayd/hotsmtpd are POP3/SMTP-HTTPMail gateway daemons, also works for lycos spray and msn
[10:40] <emile> !usb
[10:40] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, emile
[10:40] <hondje> KarlosII: thanks for the link
[10:40] <lancellor> no i did not like it takes a lot of space
[10:40] <KarlosII> np
[10:40] <H0lyD4wg> the channel topic no longer says "Don't use Breezy!!1eleven". what happened?
[10:40] <derflo> is there a faq discussing differences between debian-ubuntu?
[10:41] <KarlosII> lol
[10:41] <Seveas> H0lyD4wg, Colony CD 3 is out - the testing phase has started
[10:41] <Seveas> derflo: Ubuntu and debian have different goals, a different release schedule and different, but overlapping communities. See also http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship
[10:41] <derflo> thanks
[10:41] <Seveas> H0lyD4wg, read: please test breezy and send a test report to [email protected]
[10:41] <KarlosII> all patches are forwarded to the debian maintainers
[10:42] <derflo> am just looking for faq's because i got to reinstall my machine and I want to give ubuntu a try.
[10:43] <H0lyD4wg> Seveas: will do :)
[10:43] <adwait> aloha
[10:43] <hondje> One difference is that no one flammed you for asking ;-)
[10:43] <Seveas> :))
[10:44] <ompaul> emile can you say more about usb and what it was is that you are curious about?
[10:44] <emile> ompaul: getting audio line-in to work on usbheadset
[10:45] <emile> lancellor: my icons are in the notification area, perhaps you can add a notification area to your existing bars?
[10:46] <poningru> I had a question why cant we use pictbridge to print from linux?
[10:46] <poningru> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PictBridge
[10:46] <ompaul> emile, http://www.linuxlogin.com/linux/emu10k1.php
[10:46] <poningru> it would work with many printers
[10:46] <Lever> Can I manually mount an external harddrive? How do I find out the device name?
[10:46] <poningru> and no need to mess around with the drivers
[10:46] <emile> ompaul: i'll check it out
[10:49] <Lever> Anybody?
[10:50] <ook_> when installing new kernel package do I need to do anything but to select the package and install?
[10:50] <Gatton> Well XP has been excised and Ubuntu is now the main OS. Now I gotta configure Ubuntu all over again. A lot of preferences :)
[10:51] <ecker> i forgot how to get my net running on start up can someone remind me how?
[10:51] <derflo> does ubuntu come without kde?
[10:51] <ecker> derflo yes
[10:52] <Alex> derflo: Ubuntu doesn't have KDE as its default WM, but you can install it :)
[10:52] <Madpilot> derflo: Ubuntu uses Gnome; Kubuntu uses KDE
[10:52] <ook_> ecker: system->administration->networking
[10:52] <Alex> derflo: Kubuntu has KDE as the default KDE
[10:52] <Alex> er, default WM
[10:52] <ecker> derflo unless u want kde then use kubuntu
[10:52] <derflo> ah, ok
[10:53] <lancellor> did not work on notification area
[10:53] <adwait> ecker: pppoe?
[10:54] <derflo> is there anything i sould be aware of when switching from debian? link would be fine.
[10:54] <Madpilot> need sleep. good night/morning/$time_of_day, everyone
[10:54] <derflo> Madpilot: good night
[10:54] <ecker> adwait idk i do dhcpclient to get my net running when i start up
[10:54] <evader> Does 'dont use breezy' not being in the topic finally, mean it's nearly-stable, or not too risky?
[10:55] <adwait> evader: i asked tht in the morning........and was told, that it is more stable not, but it would still be a risk to upgrade
[10:55] <adwait> *now
[10:55] <evader> ok
[10:55] <ecker> im actually using kubuntu, but no one ever really talks inthere
[10:56] <adwait> hehehe
[10:56] <evader> thanks adwait, i'll hold off just a bit longer
[10:56] <adwait> evader: hmm..........i am doing ditto :)
[10:56] <nophix> ecker: #kubuntu :)
[10:56] <evader> adwait: i did switch once to breezy, quite a while ago - was ALMOST ok, except some apps i really needed at the time, broke.
[10:56] <evader> :(
[10:57] <adwait> evader: how much of a difference is there? apparently theres lots more eye candy in gnome now..............but i use IceWM, so doesn't really make a difference to me
[10:57] <evader> yeah well i use wmi alot of the time
[10:57] <evader> not after the eye cany
[10:58] <evader> candy*
[10:58] <crimsun> deFrysk: come again?
[10:58] <evader> just the tree switch really
[10:58] <evader> because i want some apps like Beagle to work better
[10:59] <adwait> evader: wmi....hmm, first time i heard of this window manager...........how is it?
[11:00] <H0lyD4wg> as far as logos go, wmi's wasps are among the best :)
[11:00] <crimsun> evader: you'll want to hold off on Breezy for a bit longer
[11:00] <stizoner> how do i login as root?
[11:00] <ZincX> su
[11:01] <crimsun> !tell stizoner about root
[11:01] <Alex> stizoner: at a console, any root commands can be done with sudo (or sudo su -)
[11:01] <stizoner> no
[11:01] <lancellor> any like taskbar for gnome??
[11:01] <stizoner> no
[11:01] <adwait> !root
[11:01] <stizoner> no no no no
[11:01] <ubotu> root is probably disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[11:01] <stizoner> lol
[11:01] <Alex> H0lyD4wg: Cough, I may be biased, but the Source Mage GNU/Linux Raven is cool :)
[11:01] <WodanTJ> hm i did a sudo su && passwd :)
[11:01] <stizoner> so that means i cant do simple right click commands on crap as root
[11:01] <stizoner> because it involves sudo
[11:01] <stizoner> konsol
[11:01] <WodanTJ> i have a fever so i didn't remember if i did give a password :)
[11:02] <crimsun> if you read the instructions, stizoner, you'll see another way
[11:02] <Alex> Anyway, you should never be in a WM as root - bad voodoo
[11:04] <hondje> Michael Robertson is going to log in an argue that, just watch
[11:04] <jtan325> how come when i do "man sscanf" it doesn't show anything?
[11:04] <crimsun> you don't have manpages-dev installed
[11:04] <jtan325> ok, thanks
[11:04] <Alex> hondje: He who play in root eventually kill tree
[11:04] <hondje> hehe
[11:05] <Seveas> zen-fu :)
[11:05] <alexander_> how can I check the current runlevel?
[11:06] <hondje> alexander_: runlevel
[11:06] <Alex> hondje: I quite happily do anything as root from my box with SELinux, but.. :)
[11:06] <stizoner> haha i did extact what it said, then i loged out and tryed login as root and said its not allowed
[11:06] <derflo> can i use apt-get without crunching synaptic?
[11:06] <stizoner> i just want 2 delete a folder wich i dont have permission for some reason 2 do
[11:06] <hondje> I might if on my gentoo hardened box, but probably wouldn't then either :)
[11:07] <derflo> mean: swap between the two
[11:07] <Seveas> derflo, you can't have apt-get and synaptic running at the same time
[11:07] <derflo> ah, ok
[11:07] <evader> derflo: yes you can swap between them
[11:07] <Seveas> but closing synaptic and then running apt get is OK
[11:07] <evader> use one at a time though
[11:07] <Seveas> they all operate on the sama database
[11:07] <Seveas> same*
[11:07] <Robinho_Peixoto> what it is equivalent to "ipconfig /flushdns" of windows ?
[11:07] <derflo> ah ok
[11:07] <jtan325> ifconfig?
[11:07] <stizoner> just delete a folder! thats all, yet my OS owns me, it like the govt... it knows whats best for me
[11:07] <Seveas> which is exactly why you can't use them both at the same time :)
[11:07] <Robinho_Peixoto> jtan325, no
[11:08] <Robinho_Peixoto> jtan325, ifconfig don't flsh the dns
[11:08] <derflo> does ubuntu use swsuspend or suspend2?
[11:08] <hondje> oh hey, you can use who -r too
[11:09] <derflo> forget it, i found the "resume" line on the faq
[11:09] <nophix> stizoner: sudo rm -rf /tehfolder, is that so hard?
[11:10] <stizoner> yes!
[11:10] <stizoner> it is
[11:10] <nophix> move to another distro
[11:10] <nophix> or get root
[11:10] <stizoner> i dont want to become this geek of commands who uses linux, and never get laid again, i like my mouse and being stupid
[11:10] <oceandead> hahaha
[11:10] <nophix> lol, troll
[11:11] <crimsun> there's absolutely no correlation, but nice try
[11:11] <Seveas> stizoner, great way to grt ignored...
[11:11] <Seveas> get*
[11:12] <jtan325> stizoner, linus torvalds has a kid
[11:12] <jtan325> and a wife obviously
[11:12] <jtan325> i am sure he had to get laid at least once after he became geek of commands
[11:12] <nophix> linus gets free sex
[11:12] <ms12> any one have gnome-panel running in breezy
[11:12] <jtan325> haven't you done a google search for "linux girls"?
[11:12] <DukGalNamu> CURSES!!! why can't there be a good d2 like game on the market??
[11:13] <ms12> !libcairo1
[11:13] <ubotu> ms12: I don't know
[11:13] <stizoner> there finally
[11:13] <nothingmuch> is there a font package for openoffice hebrew fonts?
[11:13] <nothingmuch> or do i need to convert the system fonts
[11:13] <ms12> !info libcairo1
[11:13] <ubotu> libcairo1: (Multi-platform 2D graphics library), section libs, is optional. Version: 0.3.0-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 118 kB, Installed size: 268 kB
[11:13] <ms12> !info libcairo1 v0.6
[11:14] <stizoner> actually linux is extreamly easy 2 use for idiots, my moms pc has ubuntu on it and she never has a problem, because she doesnt do a single thing except browse the web and thats it
[11:14] <crimsun> ms12: libcairo1 -> libcairo2
[11:14] <ms12> crimsun and how i tell apt that
[11:14] <deFrysk> stizoner, your mom is an idiot you mean ?
[11:14] <Seveas> apt-get install libcairo2
[11:14] <crimsun> ms12: come again?
[11:14] <ms12> i need to install gnome-panel and it keep asking for this lib
[11:14] <Seveas> hoary or breezy?
[11:15] <stizoner> yeah computer wise
[11:15] <ms12> breezy
[11:15] <ms12> libcairo0.6
[11:15] <oceandead> you upgraded to breezy didnt you ?
[11:15] <oceandead> good luck !
[11:15] <stizoner> its demanding people like me who have problems
[11:16] <DukGalNamu> why can't diablo2 just run?!?!?
[11:16] <Seveas> because it's a windows game..?
[11:16] <stizoner> just browse the web DukGalNamu
[11:16] <crimsun> it purportedly runs under Cedega
[11:16] <emile> Robinho_Peixoto, have you tried sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart ?
[11:16] <DukGalNamu> crimsun: it is supposed to run under wine
[11:17] <DukGalNamu> crimsun: i got it about half way at one point...
[11:17] <DukGalNamu> Seveas: i know, don't make me cry....
[11:17] <theD3viL> i must know what port gaim using for sending files?
[11:17] <stizoner> everytime i start it my firefox icon has moved... so i move it back 2 where i like it.... later on i reboot... its moved again! it dont wana stay still
[11:18] <libanes> hi dudes
[11:18] <DukGalNamu> stizoner: don't reboot
[11:18] <stizoner> lol
[11:18] <DukGalNamu> ROFL
[11:18] <ms12> Seveas i am just testing breezy if it is a known problem then its ok. If not where can i report it?
[11:18] <stizoner> i gotta reboot 2 get into windows dude
[11:18] <libanes> i need to now the last kernel for p4 mobile 3.06
[11:18] <oceandead> yeah real tragedy - youre firefox icon moved 2cm
[11:18] <oceandead> your*
[11:18] <DukGalNamu> stizoner: to play D2?
[11:18] <stizoner> no
[11:18] <stizoner> 2 watch porn
[11:18] <Seveas> ms12, there is a libcairo transition going on at the moment, you should run apt-get update frequently
[11:19] <stizoner> aint got the codec issue sorted out yet
[11:19] <DukGalNamu> stizoner: you don't need windows for that :P
[11:19] <stizoner> 10% my stuff wont play
[11:19] <Seveas> and wait a few hours before reporting this as a bug (search through bugzilla too)
[11:19] <DukGalNamu> stizoner: you just need the w32 codecs... plust porn is safer on nix systems cause viruses can't do jack
[11:19] <stizoner> got those
[11:19] <ms12> ok Thanx seveas. By the way i have an empty partition and some time on my hand if some tests are required it would be a pleasure to help :)
[11:19] <Seveas> ms12, if you use rss, keep an eye on http://ubuntulinux.nl/files/breezy.xml to watch breezy progress
[11:19] <oceandead> bugzilla is such a pain to search through
[11:20] <DukGalNamu> stizoner: and you need at LEAST mplayer and xine
[11:20] <quitte> will xorg 7 be in breezy?
[11:20] <stizoner> u know what? ive never had a virus in my life, and i never had an antivirus product
[11:20] <DukGalNamu> stizoner: between those two you should be able to play just about anything
[11:20] <Seveas> ms12, tests are always welcomed, install the colony 3 on it and send a test report to [email protected]
[11:20] <DukGalNamu> stizoner: good for you.. although you may have had worms and not known it..
[11:20] <ms12> ok Thanx seveas
[11:20] <nophix> stizoner: so how do you know you haven't virus? :D
[11:21] <Seveas> nophix, ignorance is bliss :)
[11:21] <theD3viL> Seveas, your right
[11:21] <stizoner> stand alone scanner
[11:21] <nophix> Seveas: :)
[11:21] <DukGalNamu> Seveas: ain't that the truth
[11:21] <stizoner> i got nod32 scanner on one my pcs scans the rest
[11:21] <DukGalNamu> stizoner: anywho, do you have mplayer and xine?
[11:21] <stizoner> doesnt kaffine use mplayer?
[11:21] <stizoner> something like that
[11:22] <DukGalNamu> stizoner: no
[11:22] <DukGalNamu> stizoner: apt-get install mplayer
[11:22] <deFrysk> sudo
[11:22] <oceandead> w32codecs vlc mplayer
[11:22] <DukGalNamu> and xine
[11:22] <oceandead> ive been able to watch everything ive tried
[11:22] <deFrysk> sudo apt-get install totem-xine too
[11:23] <DukGalNamu> dont get totem
[11:23] <oceandead> yeah totem-xine as well
[11:23] <DukGalNamu> i hate totem
[11:23] <DukGalNamu> crashes like a mother
[11:23] <oceandead> i cant stand xine
[11:23] <Seveas> never happened here
[11:23] <oceandead> :P
[11:23] <nophix> i like totem
[11:23] <nophix> simple player
[11:23] <evader> gxine is sexy
[11:23] <DukGalNamu> ugly UI too
[11:23] <oceandead> hahaha
[11:23] <deFrysk> gxine is nice yeah
[11:23] <freewoody> How do I clear my bash shell history ?
[11:23] <deFrysk> anything starting with a g is nice
[11:24] <Seveas> rm ~/.bash_history
[11:24] <DukGalNamu> along with vlc, you can tell vlc COULD have a better UI, but it doesn't
[11:24] <DukGalNamu> deFrysk: ohh, i see, you like gnome then>
[11:24] <DukGalNamu> ?
[11:24] <oceandead> eh, big deal
[11:24] <deFrysk> DukGalNamu, how did you gueass ? l;p
[11:24] <DukGalNamu> deFrysk: hehe, i hate the gnome bloat...
[11:25] <deFrysk> lol DukGalNamu
[11:26] <DukGalNamu> Seveas: does ubuntu ever consider shipping out with some stock colors that are less...... brown?
[11:26] <stizoner> i dont see mplayer in the repositorys, i got the win32 codecs installed and kaffine uses the xine engine excuse me
[11:26] <crimsun> stizoner: mplayer-$arch is in multiverse
[11:26] <Seveas> DukGalNamu, ask the style team :)
[11:26] <DukGalNamu> stizoner: it should be in the same repo where you got the w32codecs
[11:27] <Crissy> hi, i'm "still" (read hours) trying to understand how to install gplflash, downloaded into /home/mima/FireFox Plugins and FireFox downloaded into /home/mima/My Downloads/Apps this can't be this hard to do!
[11:27] <DukGalNamu> Seveas: great, i don't deal with graphic artists, they are to high strung o_0
[11:27] <ilba7r> DukGalNamu i think brown is authentic though i normally change it
[11:27] <DukGalNamu> stizoner: i think
[11:27] <jtan325> Crissy, is that the flash plugin?
[11:28] <stizoner> nope, i got them all enabled, backports n everything, searched title and description: mplayer
[11:28] <DukGalNamu> ilba7r: i just keot thinking that my comp shat itself everytime i looked at my screen
[11:28] <Crissy> jtan, no, but I have that too in the same directory
[11:28] <stizoner> i think i may want to install the official ati driver at some point whenever i can figure it out, that may have something 2 do with it maybe
[11:28] <DukGalNamu> stizoner: then add a repo from a search at apt-get.org
[11:28] <ilba7r> lol DukGalNamu then change the style :)
[11:29] <DukGalNamu> ilba7r: i wasn't sure how, and gnome whas too slow
[11:29] <Crissy> either one would be fine.
[11:29] <DukGalNamu> ilba7r: so i put fluxbox on instead
[11:29] <stizoner> thats ok i still got enough porn i could watch 24/7 for weeks, i just used it as an excuse 2 have windows on my machine when in fact..
[11:29] <stizoner> im afraid.. im really afraid...
[11:29] <stizoner> lol
[11:30] <stizoner> give me credit though ive been like almost a week 99.9% on kubuntu
[11:30] <ilba7r> DukGalNamu is fluxbox as fast and responsive as enlightenment and icewm
[11:30] <spola> porn is escapism
[11:30] <DukGalNamu> ilba7r: if not more so
[11:30] <DukGalNamu> ilba7r: compiling takes less than a minute on my system
[11:30] <crimsun> porn is extremely offtopic for #ubuntu.
[11:30] <Crissy> i'm really considering going back to madriva...
[11:30] <stizoner> good cause i dont leave the house i need 2 escape
[11:30] <TEG> i get this error when i want to open my nforce panel with the nvmixer command can any1 help me? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1467
[11:31] <DukGalNamu> ilba7r: of fluxbox
[11:31] <ilba7r> DukGalNamu great might give it a try then though i do not think any thing is faster then icewm
[11:31] <DukGalNamu> crimsun: not when its a playing issue
[11:31] <jtan325> ilba7r, if you want super fast
[11:31] <jtan325> openbox
[11:31] <crimsun> DukGalNamu: it's offtopic, end of discussion.
[11:31] <jtan325> login is literally < 3 seconds
[11:32] <Seveas> if you want even faster: no WM at all...
[11:32] <DukGalNamu> crimsun: discussion ended
[11:32] <DukGalNamu> Seveas: well... yeah
[11:32] <ilba7r> Sevas exactly
[11:32] <ilba7r> yet i need openoffice or at least abiword
[11:32] <DukGalNamu> Seveas: but then there is the hinderance of not being able to have three terminals in one screen at one time
[11:32] <DukGalNamu> Seveas: fout
[11:32] <umboto> i tried launching mplayer and i get this error: mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:32] <DukGalNamu> ilba7r: you mean nano isn't good enough???
[11:32] <umboto> oh and btw i have a ati card
[11:32] <DukGalNamu> :P
[11:32] <jtan325> Seveas, what is the status of breezy
[11:33] <umboto> any ideas?
[11:33] <jtan325> i've noticed a subtle thing in the topic
[11:33] <jtan325> that "please don't use breezy yet" is gone
[11:33] <Seveas> TEG, apt-get install libqt3-mt
[11:33] <ilba7r> i review and write journal papers which is most of the time in pdf or word
[11:33] <Seveas> TEG, apt-get install libqt3c102-mt
[11:33] <ilba7r> ftan will try that too
[11:33] <crimsun> jtan325: the emphasis is on "testing"
[11:34] <jtan325> lol yeah but since that message was removed
[11:34] <crimsun> currently many applications that rely on gtk are being retransitioned, so there's a bit of grief
[11:34] <jtan325> i was just wondering
[11:34] <jtan325> to cairo right?
[11:34] <DukGalNamu> ilba7r: you mean there isn't a command line pdf viewer yet??
[11:34] <crimsun> jtan325: new solib thus new package name
[11:34] <spola> DukGalNamu, pdftotext
[11:34] <derflo> bye
[11:35] <DukGalNamu> now how a bout a command line text program that can properly display word documents?
[11:35] <spola> DukGalNamu, antiword
[11:35] <DukGalNamu> damn
[11:35] <spola> >:)
[11:35] <DukGalNamu> he is good
[11:35] <DukGalNamu> :P
[11:35] <ilba7r> DukGalNamu can i edit pdf files in it too? for comments and review
[11:36] <DukGalNamu> ilba7r: well, its pdf to text.. so you can give them an editted text file back...
[11:36] <Crissy> Hey guys, I may be female but i'm not dumb, and I can't believe that installing a pluging nor the upgrading of an app (firefox) is that hard. how about some help. I have read wiki's, installs from the mozilla site, soundforge etc and still no worky!!!
[11:36] <crimsun> Crissy: what are you trying to do?
[11:36] <DukGalNamu> ilba7r: but not a pdf back with editing
[11:36] <ilba7r> DukGalNamu they will never go to that thanx for your help
[11:37] <Crissy> crimsum, install firefox and flash either the defualt plugin or the gplflash
[11:37] <spola> ilba7r, i think kpdf (in kde>3.4) is what you're looking for, check it out
[11:37] <umboto> i tried launching mplayer and i get this error: mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:37] <ilba7r> thanx for the information guys as usual i come here to learn from the best take care all :)
[11:37] <umboto> oh and btw i have a ati card
[11:37] <stizoner> anyone got $10,000 to loan me for startup cost for a business selling pcs with ubuntu/kubuntu installed on them? :D
[11:37] <umboto> any ideas?
[11:37] <DukGalNamu> stizoner: already doing that kindof
[11:37] <ilba7r> spola for editing i use kword the only package i found that can edit pdf in crude way
[11:37] <Crissy> my firefox is v1.02 and want to upgrade to the more recent. apt-get -u update has not worked
[11:37] <DukGalNamu> stizoner: why the hell do you need 10k?
[11:38] <umboto> Crissy, just use the ubuntu update manager
[11:38] <crimsun> Crissy: are you using Warty?
[11:38] <stizoner> barter get it down to $5000
[11:38] <umboto> it should work
[11:38] <DukGalNamu> stizoner: i can build a system with ubuntu on it for like 275...
[11:38] <stizoner> need a site thats like $1000 right there
[11:39] <Seveas> stizoner, please stop the off-topic rambling...
[11:39] <stizoner> yeah i can build em for under $100
[11:39] <DukGalNamu> stizoner: but i am local only
[11:39] <stizoner> i mean $200*
[11:39] <Crissy> update manager ignores it, has not worked yet. I'm on amd64-k8
[11:39] <stizoner> doh
[11:39] <DukGalNamu> stizoner: who is you supplier?
[11:39] <crimsun> Crissy: lsb_release -a
[11:39] <crimsun> Crissy: paste in #flood
[11:39] <stizoner> the web, lol
[11:40] <DukGalNamu> stizoner: what type of syste you talking about?
[11:40] <DukGalNamu> stizoner: a p3??
[11:40] <Crissy> hoary 5.04
[11:40] <x[x] > heeeeeeeeey
[11:40] <Seveas> Crissy, have hoary-security and hoary-updates enabled then
[11:41] <DukGalNamu> its the fonz
[11:41] <x[x] > i got the ubuntu error 19 error
[11:41] <Seveas> Crissy: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[11:41] <stizoner> i have sorta a business (i dont really make a living off it, still live with folks) but i buy parts on sale mostly, where bestbuy or compusa can buy them in such bulk they can get them lower then anyone else... then they put something on sale after rebate (give it away for free), plus just lots of online hunting for deals
[11:41] <Seveas> stizoner, last warning, stop the off-topic talking
[11:41] <stizoner> oh i missed where there was a topic
[11:41] <Crissy> seveas, how do I know they are enabled?
[11:42] <crimsun> (use #ubuntu-offtopic for other discussions)
[11:42] <DukGalNamu> stizoner: i am getting you in trouble, sorry
[11:42] <stizoner> again DukGalNamu !
[11:42] <Seveas> Crissy, if the are uncommented in /etc/apt/sources.list they are enabled :)
[11:42] <DukGalNamu> hehe
[11:42] <DukGalNamu> well its late, i must go
[11:42] <spola> pdf editing: http://applications.linux.com/article.pl?sid=05/01/06/0612209&tid=49&tid=47
[11:42] <DukGalNamu> gnight Seveas
[11:42] <DukGalNamu> gnight all
[11:44] <umboto> okay i think i solved my problem on my own
[11:44] <umboto> im uninstalling xorg server
[11:44] <umboto> and installing xserver free86
[11:44] <Seveas> bad idea...
[11:44] <umboto> and installing the ati drivers
[11:44] <Seveas> VERY bad idea even...
[11:44] <umboto> ?
[11:45] <umboto> hmm
[11:45] <umboto> maybe i should undo..
[11:45] <umboto> before i reboot
[11:45] <umboto> lol
[11:46] <umboto> i tried launchmplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:47] <umboto> so i thought maybe i should install xserver free86
[11:47] <umboto> and install the opengl drivers i see on snypatic
[11:47] <umboto> well the os die on me?
[11:47] <umboto> will ubuntu die on me*
[11:48] <wickedpuppy> eh ... how you know missing libgl is the x.org prob ?
[11:48] <umboto> i dunno, i tried looking on the fourms and on google, and the only people that have that problem are people with nvidia cards
[11:48] <umboto> since i have a ati card
[11:49] <umboto> i was figuring x.org didn't have support for opengl accel, yet
[11:49] <umboto> well for amd64
[11:49] <umboto> ubuntu
[11:49] <umboto> on ati cards
[11:50] <wickedpuppy> i am sorry ... isn't that the graphics card issue ??
[11:50] <umboto> i dunno, i think its a more of a driver issue
[11:50] <umboto> it can't find a certain file
[11:50] <wickedpuppy> have you tried finding it on synaptic ?
[11:50] <umboto> yea
[11:50] <umboto> i found some ati drivers
[11:51] <umboto> but it said it required free86
[11:51] <umboto> so thats why i installed it
[11:51] <umboto> and removed x.org
[11:51] <wickedpuppy> oh ok
[11:51] <wickedpuppy> now i know why you did it
[11:52] <wickedpuppy> lol
[11:52] <umboto> whats gonna happen
[11:52] <umboto> i dont want a bsod
[11:52] <umboto> when i reboot
[11:52] <umboto> :-(
[11:52] <wickedpuppy> never seen 1
[11:52] <Seveas> xfree is no longer supported
[11:52] <Seveas> xorg is the future
[11:52] <wickedpuppy> yup
[11:52] <umboto> doh
[11:52] <Seveas> adn you should not use installers from ati.com
[11:52] <wickedpuppy> most distros switched to x.org
[11:52] <umboto> crap
[11:52] <Seveas> use the drivers provided by ubuntu
[11:53] <umboto> i did use an installer from ati
[11:53] <Seveas> :|
[11:53] <umboto> oh man
[11:53] <umboto> maybe thats why
[11:53] <umboto> :-/
[11:53] <umboto> well gotta reformat again..... :-(
[11:53] <wickedpuppy> umboto, did you ask for help about this problem here before removing x.org ?
[11:53] <umboto> actually yes
[11:53] <umboto> i asked a question 3 times
[11:54] <umboto> before i took my own actions
[11:54] <umboto> i guess no one knew what i was talking about
[11:54] <Seveas> you should not have to reformat
[11:54] <umboto> its okay though
[11:54] <umboto> i don't?
[11:54] <Seveas> just remove xfree and reinstall xorg + linux-YOUR_ARCH
[11:54] <umboto> i see
[11:54] <umboto> how about removing the ati driver i installed?
[11:55] <Seveas> (that is: linux-686 for intel, linux-k7 for amd, linux-ppc for mac linux-k8 for amd64)
[11:55] <Seveas> apt-get install --reinstall linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[11:55] <Seveas> that should overwrite any damage done by the ati installer
[11:55] <umboto> sweet
[11:55] <umboto> thanks Seveas
[11:57] <filip_> how can i setup and ftp server easy in ubuntu/kubuntu ?
[11:57] <evader> install proftpd
[11:58] <umboto> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#ftpserver
[11:58] <filip_> Ok
[11:58] <thoreauputic> filip_: or pure ftpd & pureadmin if you want a GUI admin interface
[11:58] <umboto> :-)
[11:58] <filip_> GUI what is that meen?
[11:59] <thoreauputic> graphical user interface
[11:59] <umboto> GUI=windows
[11:59] <umboto> instead of console
[11:59] <filip_> okey, then i whant an GUI program.
[11:59] <x[x] > hmm
[12:00] <x[x] > im gettin the error 18 error with the grub loader
[12:00] <thoreauputic> filip_: then install pure-ftpd and pureadmin
[12:00] <umboto> brb
[12:00] <thoreauputic> Filbert: to start the interface type pureadmin
[12:00] <filip_> thoreauputic: i on my way :=)
[12:00] <HappyFool> grub error 18: Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS
[12:01] <redarrow> 'lo all
[12:01] <x[x] > shit
[12:01] <x[x] > argh
[12:01] <x[x] > ill be back about 40 mins
[12:02] <x[x] > i'd love some help though
[12:02] <x[x] > brb
[12:02] <filip_> thoreauputic: is easy to setup an ftp server in pure-ftpd ?
[12:02] <theD3viL-> Where is alsa? /dev/what?
[12:03] <HappyFool> x[x] : give us more details -- like, have you just installed ubuntu, etc.
[12:03] <thoreauputic> filip_: it just runs by default - the graphical interface starts when you type "sudo pureadmin"
[12:03] <HappyFool> alsa provides several devices, i believe; e.g., /dev/dsp
[12:03] <thoreauputic> filip_: make sure you install both packages if you want that
[12:04] <filip_> io have install both package and run pureadmin hoc can i connect to my server now?
[12:04] <thoreauputic> filip_: be aware that ftp is pretty insecure - you'll want to read about securing it too
[12:05] <redarrow> this might sound kinda dum.. but how do I install ubuntu onto hdd from the "live cd" ??
[12:05] <HappyFool> you can't; that's why there's a separate install CD
[12:05] <redarrow> oh?
[12:06] <filip_> when i close pureadmin, can i connect to my server then ?
[12:06] <redarrow> great
[12:06] <TEG> How do i open port 6881 in linux? its open in my router but azureus keeps giving these errors..
[12:06] <thoreauputic> filip_: pureadmin has nothing to do with that - it's just a pretty front end for administering the server
[12:07] <thoreauputic> filip_: if the server is running you can sonnect anyway
[12:07] <HappyFool> TEG: by default all ports (>1024) should be openable by users; what error si it (don't paste more than 2 lines here)
[12:07] <thoreauputic> *connect
[12:08] <TEG> when i test port 6881, it always gives an error
[12:08] <TEG> in azuerus
[12:08] <HappyFool> what is the error?
[12:08] <filip_> how to get i running ?
[12:08] <TEG> Testing port 6881 ... NAT Error
[12:08] <thoreauputic> filip_: as I said, it runs by default
[12:08] <redarrow> so .. uh .. it's positivley impossible then?? I cant copy the kernel image onto hdd as well as all the data files?
[12:09] <filip_> so now it running? how can i connect to it then? my ip?
[12:09] <TEG> HappyFool?
[12:09] <thoreauputic> filip_: use an ftp client as you normally do....
[12:09] <HappyFool> redarrow: it's not designed to be installed from; maybe you can hack it, but I have no idea how. Probably more trouble than it's worth
[12:10] <filip_> yes but what is the adress?
[12:10] <Crissy> seveas, i'm updating now, after adding the repositories, the updater found 62 packages to update.
[12:10] <HappyFool> TEG: hmm. sorry, not sure. I don't think that's a firewall-type issue
[12:10] <thoreauputic> filip_: are you sure you want an ftp server? Sounds like you aren't sure what you are doing here...
[12:10] <redarrow> HappyFool: *oh well* - I wonder why they don't put the install disk on those "toasters"
[12:10] <filip_> yes i am sure, i had an ftp-server in windows.
[12:11] <HappyFool> redarrow: i thought they did (not that i've used one). Which one did you use?
[12:11] <thoreauputic> filip_: then you should know how to connect, surely ?
[12:11] <redarrow> HappyFool: Port Elizabeth.. It's only got the live CD
[12:12] <HappyFool> redarrow: oh, i see you're right. that is very silly
[12:12] <filip_> yes whit my ip but htat dont work, in windows i just type my ip in firefox but now it dont work
[12:12] <HappyFool> heh. so they have install cd's for mandriva, fedora, debian and freebsd but not ubuntu!
[12:12] <redarrow> yep
[12:13] <thoreauputic> filip_: try using an ftp client - say gftp
[12:13] <filip_> okey.
[12:13] <HappyFool> redarrow: there aren't even any requests for it here: http://www.freedomtoaster.org/?q=node/29
[12:14] <HappyFool> redarrow: oh, hang on. if i look at this page: http://www.freedomtoaster.org/?q=node/29 the implication is that the hoary CD is there
[12:14] <filip_> in host should i type my ip nummber there?
[12:15] <HappyFool> redarrow: "Ubuntu Warty, Hoary and Hoary Live CD" -- i read that as everything but Warty Live CD
[12:16] <thoreauputic> filip_: yes that should work - for port select 21
[12:16] <filip_> okey, now i get it work
[12:16] <thoreauputic> filip_: are you testing on your local network?
[12:16] <filip_> yes
[12:16] <thoreauputic> so it's working now, right ?
[12:16] <redarrow> happyFool: I just have "Hoary Live" .. maybe I missed the other one's somehow? but I certainly don't remember seeing them.
[12:16] <filip_> no
[12:17] <filip_> i need to make users
[12:18] <filip_> how can i do?
[12:18] <HappyFool> redarrow: i've never used one, as i said, so i don't know. my suspicion is that you did miss something. Not having the install CD would be a very odd, given who is funding the toaster.
[12:18] <thoreauputic> filip_: well, read the man page, visit the website, find out how to do what you need
[12:18] <thoreauputic> filip_: we can't run your server for you, really
[12:18] <Lever> How do I install Azureus? I can't find it using apt. I have binary universe and multiverse enabled...
[12:18] <filip_> no you cant but does you know ho to make users?
[12:19] <redarrow> HappyFool: Yea I guess... I'll go have another look as soon as I get the chance
[12:19] <HappyFool> !azureus
[12:19] <ubotu> azureus is, like, a popular bittorent client written in Java, it can be downloaded from the hoary-extras repository
[12:19] <HappyFool> redarrow: i'm waiting for breezy to be released to try it
[12:19] <HappyFool> redarrow: fairly easy to use? general impressions?
[12:20] <redarrow> HappyFool: Oh yes, something like an ATM, just poke, poke, insert cd, and zip!
[12:20] <ubuntuNeedHelp> have problems getting firefox work with Ubuntu LIve CD, any tips?
[12:21] <HappyFool> redarrow: cool. i'm tempted to go just to try it out ;)
[12:22] <bz0b> hey yall
[12:22] <redarrow> HappyFool: Actually that's probably why I iniatially went ;)
[12:22] <Lever> Ok so I need the hoary-extras repository.. What's the sources.list line?
[12:22] <HappyFool> !hoary-extras
[12:22] <ubotu> I heard hoary-extras is see http://backports.ubuntuforums.org ; example hoary repo: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[12:23] <bz0b> is it possible to remove packages after the install?
[12:23] <Lever> I see, thanks
[12:23] <bz0b> with like synaptic
[12:23] <HappyFool> bz0b: yip
[12:23] <spiral> bz0b: look for the package and remove it with synaptic
[12:23] <ubuntuNeedHelp> Should Internet work out-of-box with Live CD?
[12:23] <topyli> ubuntuNeedHelp: it should
[12:23] <Crissy> Anyone know how to backup the installed packages in case of problem, or doing the complete install better?
[12:23] <HappyFool> bz0b: in synaptic, right click the package, and 'Mark for removal' or 'mark for complete removal'
[12:24] <HappyFool> ubuntuNeedHelp: probably depends on hardware etc, but i think that's the idea
[12:24] <PurpleMotion> Would it be possible to get the source to ubotu? I love the way he operates, and I would really like a bot for this new channel I just made.. I'd like to see it grow
[12:25] <ubuntuNeedHelp> ok.. I couldnt get out on internet first at all, then I set a name and domain on the machine and relogged in
[12:25] <ubuntuNeedHelp> and i got this IRC working. and for a veryt short time i managed to reach google
[12:25] <topyli> PurpleMotion: i guess ubotu is just another bot grabbed from freshmeat, there are dozens of them
[12:26] <PurpleMotion> !ubotu source
[12:26] <ubotu> Not a clue, PurpleMotion
[12:26] <kemik> ubotu extras is deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[12:26] <ubotu> ...but extras is already something else...
[12:26] <kemik> !extras
[12:26] <ubotu> rumour has it, extras is For extra repositories, check out http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[12:26] <PurpleMotion> !ubotu-ource
[12:26] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, PurpleMotion
[12:26] <PurpleMotion> !ubotu-source
[12:26] <ubotu> PurpleMotion: Bugger all, i dunno
[12:26] <HappyFool> PurpleMotion: there's something called 'eggdrop' in universe
[12:26] <PurpleMotion> blah
[12:26] <PurpleMotion> yeah i dont want an eggdrop bot
[12:26] <topyli> !ubotu
[12:26] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my brain on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:26] <PurpleMotion> I want a bot just like ubotu
[12:26] <PurpleMotion> i love the way he works
[12:27] <HappyFool> you're never the most coherent poster, you arrogant bit-bucket
[12:27] <PurpleMotion> sometimes he's more coherent than me :D
[12:27] <raven3x7> hi
[12:27] <PurpleMotion> !start a distro war
[12:27] <ubotu> kubuntu rules over mandriva
[12:27] <kemik> ubotu could be an eggdrop
[12:27] <ubotu> kemik: What?
[12:27] <kemik> just som tcl script added
[12:27] <PurpleMotion> !start a WM war
[12:27] <ubotu> fluxbox decimates fvwm
[12:27] <raven3x7> anyone know how to clean up the apt cache?
[12:27] <PurpleMotion> I don't think ubotu is an eggdrop, but if he is, it's the script that I want ;)
[12:28] <HappyFool> raven3x7: how about 'apt-get clean' ?
[12:28] <PurpleMotion> or apt-get update
[12:28] <PurpleMotion> that should set the apt-cache straight
[12:28] <topyli> hm, the web page doesn't mention the type of the bot
[12:28] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: I think ubotu is a blootbot
[12:28] <PurpleMotion> thoreauputic: how would i find out?
[12:28] <PurpleMotion> !version
[12:28] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, PurpleMotion
[12:28] <PurpleMotion> ubotu, what kind of bot are you?
[12:28] <ubotu> PurpleMotion: what are you talking about?
[12:29] <kemik> thoreauputic: because of his ident? =)
[12:29] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: don't know - but he's like tha dpkg bot on #debian
[12:29] <raven3x7> HappyFool, by clean i meant to delete the stored packets
[12:29] <filip_> thoreauputic: you sad that pureftpd runs by default but i oureadmin i see that pureftpd don run ?
[12:29] <filip_> dont run
[12:29] <HappyFool> raven3x7: stored packages?
[12:29] <thoreauputic> filip_: sudo pureadmin
[12:29] <HappyFool> raven3x7: check the man page for apt-get; afaict, that's what clean does
[12:29] <filip_> okey
[12:30] <thoreauputic> filip_: you need admin rights
[12:30] <raven3x7> heh
[12:30] <raven3x7> o:
[12:30] <filip_> still dont run
[12:30] <kemik> PurpleMotion: "The slowest and most bloated bot in the world" heheehe
[12:31] <topyli> what's that? eggdrop?
[12:31] <kemik> topyli: blootbot, from www.blootbot.org
[12:31] <topyli> ah
[12:31] <kemik> topyli: erh. blootbot.sourgeforge.net ;)
[12:31] <filip_> thoreauputic: you know how to start the server ?
[12:31] <kemik> filip_: ever tried consulting the web or man-pages?
[12:32] <topyli> kemik: thanks
[12:32] <kemik> filip_: you'll never truly *learn* if you're just spoonfed
[12:32] <HappyFool> dammit, emacs keeps crashing
[12:32] <kemik> HappyFool: gvim ;>
[12:32] <dfeed> hmmm... this may be a little off-topic, but anyone have any idea why a website I'm trying to look at is scanning strange ports and timing out because my firewall won't tell it they're closed?
[12:32] <PurpleMotion> why do people insist on recommending variations of vi
[12:33] <PurpleMotion> there are SO many better editors now
[12:33] <thoreauputic> filip_: it's running if you installed pure-ftpd - but try sudo /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd restart
[12:33] <HappyFool> dfeed: eek. sounds a bit intrusive
[12:33] <kemik> PurpleMotion: because Vi is simply "teh best"
[12:33] <topyli> kemik: apparently it's also the worst documented :)
[12:33] <jimcooncat> dfeed, stay out of those places, man!
[12:33] <PurpleMotion> not
[12:33] <filip_> kemik: yes but now thoreauputic sad that it will run by default and it dont and i cant get it work and i think he know how to do.
[12:33] <PurpleMotion> i hate vi
[12:33] <kemik> topyli: yes :)
[12:33] <filip_> thanx
[12:33] <topyli> !ed
[12:33] <ubotu> ed is the standard editor! ed, man! man ed!
[12:33] <dfeed> HappyFool: it's weird. it's not even a remotely dodgy site...
[12:34] <thoreauputic> filip_: it *does* run by default - you should be able to connect to it
[12:34] <dfeed> HappyFool: it's long running webcomic sluggy.com
[12:34] <PurpleMotion> a text editor should be easy to use..t here shouldn't be 30+ :whatever commands you have to memorize in order to be able to change one line of a file
[12:34] <kemik> oh christ. hardly got out of ed
[12:34] <PurpleMotion> sure vi is easy once you learn it
[12:34] <dfeed> scanning in the range of 1317-1322
[12:34] <topyli> PurpleMotion: there really is only a few
[12:34] <PurpleMotion> but my point is a text editor should have _no_ learning curve
[12:34] <kemik> :i :wq!
[12:34] <kemik> all you need for the basics
[12:35] <topyli> kemik: just i actually :)
[12:35] <filip_> okej, i will try now if it work
[12:35] <kemik> topyli: mmh true :)
[12:35] <PurpleMotion> why not just move my cursor where i want to edit text, check the state of 'insert' and go for it
[12:35] <jimcooncat> PurpleMotion, I've tried and I don't get vi very well.
[12:35] <PurpleMotion> jimcooncat: it's really not bad.. there's a tutorial even
[12:35] <kemik> PurpleMotion: that's why you use gvim :)
[12:35] <PurpleMotion> try the command: tutorial
[12:35] <PurpleMotion> i think
[12:36] <kemik> vitutor or vimtutor is great for learning vi/vim
[12:36] <PurpleMotion> or vi-tutorial
[12:36] <jimcooncat> ty
[12:36] <topyli> kemik: ah, they have docs in the cvs
[12:36] <PurpleMotion> there ya go
[12:36] <thoreauputic> filip_: note that you are running a private ftpd - it will need a password
[12:36] <PurpleMotion> but i still maintain you shouldnt have to do all that to edit a text file
[12:36] <PurpleMotion> heh
[12:36] <HappyFool> filip_: why do you want to run an ftp server anyway
[12:36] <thoreauputic> filip_: your user password in fact
[12:37] <kemik> PurpleMotion: there are of course other editors "more easy to use"
[12:37] <thoreauputic> HappyFool: I'm shuddering at the thought of someone running an ftp server and asking these kinds of questions...
[12:37] <PurpleMotion> I LOVE pico (actually its nano now isnt it), but I only use the VERY basic features... im sure if i had to learn any more commands than i know, i'd feel a level of disdain towards it :D
[12:37] <kemik> but coding in gvim is totally ok
[12:37] <filip_> HappyFool: what you think? share my file whit some frineds.
[12:37] <kemik> pico doesnt respect linebreaks etc correctly
[12:37] <HrdwrBoB> er
[12:37] <PurpleMotion> kemik: yeah, i know.. my point is people defend vi/m RELIGIOUSLY, and I think it's silly
[12:37] <HrdwrBoB> pico doesn't have any advanced features
[12:37] <topyli> PurpleMotion: have you gotten syntax highlighting to work with nano?
[12:38] <PurpleMotion> thats what i mean
[12:38] <kemik> pico is like notepad.. good for some real easy tasks
[12:38] <PurpleMotion> i havent tried
[12:38] <filip_> thoreauputic: but when i try to make users i need to made an file but that dont work.
[12:38] <PurpleMotion> pico is my CLI text editor
[12:38] <PurpleMotion> all i do with it is edit simple text files
[12:38] <PurpleMotion> youw ant syntax highlighting for everything under the sun, get eclipse
[12:38] <kemik> PurpleMotion: i used to use pico aswell.. but had to learn a more powerful editor, so i choose vim
[12:38] <PurpleMotion> THAT is a really pimpin IDE
[12:38] <kemik> eclipse is nice yeah
[12:39] <kemik> used it for java development
[12:39] <PurpleMotion> kemik: it's a TEXT EDITOR (this is my whole point)?!?!? what do you need by way of 'more power'? lol, i just fail to see it
[12:39] <kemik> but the schoolcomputers usually hang when using eclipse, and it's a bit sluggish
[12:39] <topyli> PurpleMotion: i really do want syntax highlighting for config files and shell scripts too. that's what we edit every day isn't it?
[12:39] <PurpleMotion> i didnt know such highlighting existed
[12:39] <kemik> PurpleMotion: see topyli
[12:40] <thoreauputic> filip_: I'm sorry - I think you need to do some research before running a server: I suggest you read the web page for pure-ftpd and the man page, and maybe search tldp.org
[12:40] <kemik> there's highlighting for everything... almost ;)
[12:40] <filip_> okey i will
[12:40] <PurpleMotion> topyli: now that you mention it, bash, sh, csh, tcsh, and ksh syntax highlighting would be REALLY nice in nano.. I will look into it.. if it's possible, trust me ill figure out how to do it
[12:40] <PurpleMotion> vi has syntax highlighting?
[12:40] <PurpleMotion> heheh
[12:40] <filip_> but i can said that it was much eays in windows to run an ftp-server
[12:41] <kemik> vim has
[12:41] <topyli> PurpleMotion: vim does, vi doesn't
[12:41] <jimcooncat> filip_, if you're just doing it for friends and not the public, why not go with ssh?
[12:41] <kemik> Vi isnt very good imo :)
[12:41] <kemik> ViM otoh
[12:41] <HappyFool> can you still get vi?
[12:41] <PurpleMotion> yaknow, vi was the only section of the LPIC-1 exam I felt like I was actually going to have to _study_ (thank god i read the rest though, lots of useful information)
[12:41] <filip_> jimcooncat: i dont now what that is.
[12:41] <newbie> greetings, iam trying to setup my connection using pppoeconf in which i gave my isp's user and pwd - i gave my dns address in resolve.cong but i find it different in the log . please check the log here http://pastebin.com/342158
[12:41] <kemik> PurpleMotion: http://hem.passagen.se/wking/vimrc.txt <-- save as ~/.vimrc and you'll have alot of nice features
[12:41] <Angrod> how do i convert a .rpm to a .deb ?
[12:42] <HappyFool> !alien
[12:42] <ubotu> well, alien is a program to convert RPMs to DEBs. Can give problems. Website: http://www.kitenet.net/programs/alien/
[12:42] <PurpleMotion> Angrod: alien
[12:42] <topyli> HappyFool: nvi is supposed to be very faithful to the original bsd vi
[12:42] <DarkRaika> can someone help me with my monitor?
[12:42] <topyli> HappyFool: was default in woody. ewww.
[12:42] <newbie> can someone help me with my broadband connection ?
[12:42] <PurpleMotion> Angrod: install alien (if its not), download the rpm, type: alien file.rpm :: the next part is IMPORTANT. you want to TEST it before you install it for real, so type: dpkg -i --no-act package.deb
[12:43] <PurpleMotion> if all goes well, type: dpkg -i package.deb
[12:43] <PurpleMotion> you should do that with ANY deb file you download manually or create :)
[12:43] <Grat> ellow guys
[12:43] <spola> what's good food to eat to get rid of a hangover?
[12:43] <PurpleMotion> allo Grat
[12:43] <jimcooncat> filip_: openssh is worth the research. Putty is a good way to start getting used to it. WinSCP is a great tool for windoze users.
[12:43] <PurpleMotion> brb, all
[12:43] <DarkRaika> I have a problem with my monitor
[12:43] <DarkRaika> can someone help?
[12:43] <HappyFool> newbie: why did you put your ip in resolv.conf?
[12:43] <PurpleMotion> spola: drink three tall glasses of water and take ACETAMINOPHAN(SP?) (tylenol)
[12:43] <filip_> okey
[12:44] <HappyFool> DarkRaika: be more specific
[12:44] <DarkRaika> ok
[12:44] <spola> :)
[12:44] <PurpleMotion> you have a hangover because your body slept in a state of severe dehydration
[12:44] <DarkRaika> I just bought a Dell Trinitron 21" monitor
[12:44] <topyli> spola: in my experience, gin works well
[12:44] <PurpleMotion> yeah a little hair of the dog works too ;)
[12:45] <newbie> HappyFool: thats my dns address .
[12:45] <spola> it's too early to start drinkin
[12:45] <DarkRaika> and it has a faint horizontal line running accross the page
[12:45] <Grat> spola: you should have drank as much watter as you could before you went to bed
[12:45] <DarkRaika> 1/3 from the top of the screen
[12:45] <DarkRaika> and 1/3 from the bottom up
[12:45] <topyli> PurpleMotion: hair of the dog's arse. gin comes in BOTTLES man!
[12:45] <DarkRaika> is this normal?
[12:45] <kemik> DarkRaika: yes
[12:45] <sly> too early?
[12:45] <sly> i been drinkingsince 8am
[12:45] <kemik> DarkRaika: that normal for trinitron monitors
[12:46] <DarkRaika> ok
[12:46] <Angrod> how can i change my root password?
[12:46] <newbie> HappyFool : the address i have in resolve.conf is my dns not my ip address
[12:46] <kemik> !root
[12:46] <ubotu> root is probably disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[12:46] <DarkRaika> kool
[12:46] <topyli> Angrod: you have one?
[12:46] <DarkRaika> one more question about it
[12:46] <spola> Grat, i wish i did ... but i passed out (lets get back OT tho)
[12:47] <newbie> Angrod : sudo yourusername and type ur pwd
[12:47] <DarkRaika> I got it running at 60Hz at the moment
[12:47] <newbie> someone can help me with pppoeconf?
[12:47] <HappyFool> newbie: the entries in resolv.conf should be 'nameserver 61.1.96.69' and 'nameserver 61.1.96.71', as far as i know
[12:47] <DarkRaika> the guy I bought it from said it is suppose to run at, at least 85Hz
[12:47] <DarkRaika> if this is so
[12:47] <ocool> hello all
[12:47] <DarkRaika> how fast can I run the monitor at
[12:47] <newbie> HappyFool : yes. man i shld have known it.. did that once in redhat. thanks
[12:47] <ocool> can you help me? I search a german ubuntu channel
[12:47] <DarkRaika> cause if I run it too fast, will it blow up my monitor
[12:48] <kemik> DarkRaika: no it probably wont blow up...
[12:48] <topyli> DarkRaika: probably not. it will display a text "out of range" or similar
[12:48] <newbie> HappyFool : how can we be sure that the node is connected to isp ?
[12:48] <HappyFool> newbie: i thought the dialup/ifup scripts would do that automatically for you, though
[12:48] <Pogopuschel-> ocool: #ubuntu-de
[12:48] <DarkRaika> thx kemik, topyli
[12:48] <topyli> DarkRaika: find the monitor's specs from the manufacturer's website so you can config your X precisely
[12:49] <newbie> HappyFool: the dns ip u are seein in the log isnt the right one. we have only one dns server
[12:49] <HappyFool> newbie: i'm not sure; try 'ping' i, guess (e.g., ping the nameserver)
[12:49] <ocool> @Pogopuschel- thx
[12:49] <newbie> nope, ping isnt helpin . ping gives timeout ..
[12:49] <HappyFool> do you know the IP addr of your nameserver?
[12:50] <newbie> i do and thats the ip i have in resolve.conf .. without nameserver
[12:50] <newbie> i guess nameserver is a must in resolve.conf
[12:50] <HappyFool> make it 'nameserver 1.2.3.4' (replace 1.2.3.4 with ip addr)
[12:50] <newbie> yeah
[12:50] <newbie> let me give it a shot. thanks
[12:51] <HappyFool> anyway, you should be able to ping that ip addr, regardless
[12:51] <newbie> i can ping the ip address i assigned to the lan card and also loop back add which is strange
[12:51] <HappyFool> also, maybe check your routing -- i don't know what line 15 means
[12:51] <newbie> i have only one lan card . i assigned ip while installin ubuntu
[12:53] <linux_ubuntu> hi
[12:53] <kemik> newbie: can you ping anything except your own NIC and loopback?
[12:53] <Pogopuschel-> newbie: Do a "traceroute x.x.x.x"
[12:54] <Pogopuschel-> pick some andom address
[12:54] <newbie> kemik : no
[12:54] <morbidi> traceroute 255.255.255.255
[12:54] <morbidi> :D
[12:54] <Pogopuschel-> :))
[12:54] <newbie> Pogopuschel-: traceroute isnt workin
[12:54] <kemik> newbie: try "arp"
[12:54] <Angrod> hmm, i tried to install Java to Firefox... but the file got saved as a .bin file... what to do? :x
[12:54] <newbie> kemik : sorry , whats arp?
[12:54] <HappyFool> !java
[12:54] <ubotu> java is probably to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[12:54] <Pogopuschel-> newbie: What's not workin? What do you get?
[12:54] <HappyFool> Angrod: read that page for instructions on installing java
[12:54] <kemik> newbie: it'll tell you if your network device is connected to anything else
[12:55] <topyli> Angrod: there are deb packages apt-gettable for ubuntu
[12:55] <kemik> Pogopuschel-: dont think traceroute is installed by default
[12:55] <Pogopuschel-> kemik: should be..
[12:55] <kemik> it wasnt here :)
[12:55] <HappyFool> try 'tracepath' instead
[12:55] <kemik> i installed it yesterday
[12:55] <Pogopuschel-> oh :)
[12:55] <kemik> newbie: does "arp" give you anything?
[12:56] <newbie> kemik : iam on windows now :)
[12:56] <kemik> newbie: ah.. i c
[12:56] <kemik> newbie: dualboot ?
[12:56] <newbie> i shld reboot and check it out .. will do that in a min
[12:56] <newbie> kemik : yes
[12:56] <Angrod> oki, thanks HappyFool :D
[12:56] <jblu> can someone tell me the app. or GUI for MusicBrainz?
[12:57] <kemik> newbie: just copy-paste networksettings from windows to ubuntu then ;)
[12:57] <newbie> i wish :p
[12:57] <Pogopuschel-> so, what's your nameserver on windows?
[12:57] <Pogopuschel-> just copy it :)
[12:58] <kemik> newbie: open a command-window ("dos-mode") and type "ipconfig"
[12:58] <newbie> Pogopuschel- : i did and i fimrly belive that because i dont have nameserver before that ip iam unable t goonline
[12:58] <kemik> newbie: a nameserver isnt required to surf
[12:58] <tomaj> is there a way to have the computer start up by itself and log in and start a program?
[12:58] <kemik> newbie: all it does is resovle names to IP#..
[12:59] <newbie> newbie : it is required to resolves?
[12:59] <newbie> yeah
[12:59] <tomaj> newbie has attitude lol
[12:59] <Pogopuschel-> tomaj: What do you want excatly? Do you want to power on a computer from remote?
[12:59] <kemik> newbie: 66.249.93.99 <- that's google.. see if you can surf there from ubuntu
[12:59] <tomaj> pogopuschel: no from a time
[01:00] <tomaj> timer*
[01:00] <newbie> tomaj : dude, i aint newbie to computers man .. iam new to linux so i know what the stuff they are talkin about
[01:00] <kemik> newbie: if that doesnt work then it's not your nameserver but something else
[01:00] <newbie> kemik : k thanks
[01:00] <kemik> newbie: and do type "ipconfig" and write down that stuff
[01:00] <newbie> aight brb .. thanks a lot guys.
[01:00] <tomaj> newbie: i realised that
[01:00] <newbie> k kemik. thanks
[01:00] <Pogopuschel-> kemik: He can't ping anythingso he can't surf either :)
[01:00] <kemik> Pogopuschel-: then it's not his nameserver
[01:01] <Pogopuschel-> tomaj: Your BIOS gives you some options to power on by a specific time
[01:01] <kemik> but if he was trying to ping www.google.com then he wouldnt be able to if it's the nameserver
[01:01] <Pogopuschel-> kemik: Yea, but i thought he didn't know what his nameserver is :)
[01:01] <tomaj> ok so you have to do it through bios
[01:01] <tomaj> ?
[01:02] <Pogopuschel-> yes
[01:02] <tomaj> k thanx :) and i assume you have to change the ubuntu settings to autologin for that as well
[01:02] <tomaj> pog what if my bios doesnt have any such options is there another way to start the computer from a timer?
[01:03] <stizoner> theres some sorta bug after i upgraded to the smp kernel for my p4 i can login as admin in control center in kubuntu
[01:03] <Pogopuschel-> don't know, But you can start your pc from remote via wake on lan
[01:03] <stizoner> cant*
[01:03] <Pogopuschel-> so if you have another pc, you can set a time, to power on via wake on lan
[01:03] <Pogopuschel-> +r
[01:03] <pirast> you coult try app -> run -> gksudo kcontrol
[01:03] <tomaj> hmm i do but its winxp
[01:03] <HappyFool> or just leave the computer on and setup a cron job
[01:04] <Pogopuschel-> tomaj: No problem for win xp :)
[01:04] <tomaj> how do you use winxp to wake another pc up?
[01:04] <tomaj> happyfool computer makes noise and i want to be asleep before it starts up
[01:04] <Pogopuschel-> there are some wake on lan clients out there, just google for "wol.exe"
[01:04] <tomaj> thanx pop
[01:04] <tomaj> pirast was that directed at me?
[01:04] <Pogopuschel-> however, you have to set up wake on lan on your ubuntu machine
[01:05] <tomaj> yeah thats in the bios isnt it?
[01:05] <Pogopuschel-> I spend 6 hours to get it working on my debian pc
[01:05] <Pogopuschel-> :/
[01:05] <pirast> No, it was to stizoner
[01:05] <tomaj> pirast: k
[01:05] <tomaj> shit
[01:05] <Pogopuschel-> tomaj: I thought so too..
[01:05] <Pogopuschel-> maybe it works for you
[01:05] <tomaj> so you have to change linux settings too?
[01:05] <Pogopuschel-> without any configuration
[01:05] <Pogopuschel-> depends on what you are using
[01:05] <tomaj> what did you have to do?
[01:05] <Pogopuschel-> apm, acpi
[01:06] <tomaj> acpi is standard for ubuntu isnt it?
[01:06] <Pogopuschel-> I hav to disable acpi in the bios, enable APM and boot the kernel with "apm=on, apm=poweroff"
[01:06] <pirast> I think so, yes
[01:06] <stizoner> this is getting frustrating, there is no way to login as root and make changes except via consol, so you have to know the commands for everything!
[01:06] <Pogopuschel-> depends on your nic
[01:07] <tomaj> thats weird, i would have thought acpi would have supported it better
[01:07] <Pogopuschel-> just try to install ethtool
[01:07] <jimcooncat> Using hoary, I played with kubuntu for a while then removed it. How can I get my gnome menus back in order?
[01:07] <Pogopuschel-> "apt-get ethtool"
[01:07] <Pogopuschel-> "apt-get install ethtool"
[01:07] <Pogopuschel-> and do "ethtool eth0"
[01:07] <tomaj> stizoner there is a way to allow yourself to log in as root
[01:07] <tomaj> google it
[01:07] <tomaj> it has to do with x afaik
[01:07] <Simian> sorry if this is a dumb question but I have just edited my repos source list to breezy and then did dist-upgrade. But when I goto start>system>About Ubuntu it still says 5.04
[01:07] <Simian> have i done something wrong?
[01:07] <topyli> stizoner: you should be able to do stuff via the gui tools. otherwise, you can launch any gui app from the terminal using sudo
[01:08] <Pogopuschel-> you can enable wake on lan settings with "ethtool -s eth0 wol g"
[01:08] <stizoner> yes i read the instructions, if i log out i cant log back in as root, and it only gives me root via consol
[01:08] <Pogopuschel-> but ethtool didn't support my NIC
[01:08] <Pogopuschel-> maybe it works for you
[01:08] <HappyFool> Simian: maybe they didn't update that bit ;). what does 'uname -r' say? i think breezy users a newer kernel (2.6.16 ?)
[01:08] <topyli> stizoner: surely you can use sudo in an X terminal
[01:08] <tomaj> stizoner, the instructions should allow you to log in as root, that's the point of the instructions
[01:08] <hmrocha> Simian, i guess they have not updated that doc yet
[01:08] <HappyFool> err.
[01:08] <HappyFool> 2.6.12, that is
[01:08] <Simian> oh ok
[01:09] <stizoner> they dont, i cant select logout from kmenu and login as root
[01:09] <Simian> yes it 2.6.12
[01:09] <hmrocha> Simian, do a "cat /etc/issue"
[01:09] <stizoner> i cant boot my pc and login as root
[01:09] <tomaj> ill try it pog thanx
[01:09] <hmrocha> Simian, it should say "breezy badger"
[01:09] <tomaj> well stizoner you were reading different instructions from the ones im referring to then
[01:09] <topyli> stizoner: you mean login as root into X? it's not very smart
[01:09] <Simian> http://www.gnome.org/projects/beagle
[01:10] <stizoner> i dont care if its smart or not, no way im learning all these commands
[01:10] <Simian> i guess it worked then
[01:10] <Simian> thanks guys
[01:10] <thoreauputic> stizoner: running KDE or gnome or any X environment as root is deprecated
[01:10] <stizoner> just 2 download a file to a folder i want, or delete something or this or that...
[01:10] <hmrocha> Simian, was it a smooth upgrade?
[01:10] <topyli> stizoner: very well then
[01:10] <jp> can i update hoary to breeze using apt?
[01:10] <tomaj> stizoner, what exactly is it you are trying to do?
[01:10] <hmrocha> Simian, after the upgrade everything worked?
[01:10] <Simian> yes very smooth
[01:10] <topyli> stizoner: so now you're going to surf the web as root too?
[01:10] <hmrocha> Simian, ok, thanks
[01:10] <stizoner> like the 20th thing ive had 2 ask that required root password
[01:10] <HappyFool> jp: it sounds like simian just did, so i guess the answer is yes. note that breezy is still unstable
[01:11] <stizoner> right now just trying 2 load an xchat script
[01:11] <stizoner> cant even save it to the folder
[01:11] <topyli> Simian: lyx didn
[01:11] <topyli> 't
[01:11] <tomaj> stizoner, try saving it to your home folder instead and run it from there
[01:11] <stizoner> i dont have permission, my OS knows better then me
[01:11] <topyli> Simian: so the system is utterly broken ;-)
[01:11] <stizoner> run what? it has 2 go into the xchat plugin folder
[01:12] <tomaj> oh of course
[01:12] <HappyFool> can't you put it in ~/.xchat somewhere?
[01:12] <crashd> save it to your home folder, then 'sudo cp source destination'
[01:12] <crashd> or
[01:12] <crashd> as HappyFool says, put it in your local xchat
[01:12] <stizoner> no im not gonna sudo this that anymore
[01:12] <stizoner> lol
[01:12] <HappyFool> ~/.xchat2
[01:12] <Simian> topyli what do you mean?
[01:12] <thoreauputic> stizoner: maybe *nix isn't for you....
[01:12] <tomaj> stizoner, basically you dont have permissions so you dont destroy your system because its not idiotproof like windows and ubuntu is designed for everyone
[01:13] <topyli> Simian: just joking. lyx was broken, so the system has utterly failed me :)
[01:13] <tomaj> people that know what they are doing dont have problems and people that dont usually learn quickly
[01:13] <stizoner> its the only linux distro out of like 30+ ive tried that cant login as root
[01:13] <Simian> oh ok lol
[01:13] <stizoner> im not an idiot and ill make the descions
[01:13] <tomaj> its because ubuntu is designed for everyone
[01:13] <stizoner> its my pc
[01:13] <topyli> stizoner: since you're not an idiot, you can surely find out how to enable root logins
[01:13] <pirast> I just installed beagle on Breezy. How can I open it?
[01:13] <Pogopuschel-> "sudo passwd asdf"
[01:14] <jimcooncat> or just "sudo sh" for a root shell?
[01:14] <tomaj> Pogopuschel-: i typed that command in root terminal and i didnt get any errors, does that mean it works?
[01:14] <topyli> pirast: run the daemon, do searches with best
[01:14] <thoreauputic> stizoner: or since you're not an idiot you won't log in to X as root... whatever
[01:14] <sJaM> sudo -i
[01:14] <pirast> k. thx
[01:14] <Pogopuschel-> tomaj: what command?
[01:14] <tomaj> ethtool -s eth0 wol g
[01:14] <stizoner> so i can logout a few secs later after im done the changes
[01:14] <stizoner> no different then any other distro or windows
[01:15] <Pogopuschel-> yea, try "ethtool eth0"
[01:15] <Pogopuschel-> what does it say?
[01:15] <linux_ubuntu> can anyone help regarding firefox browser?
[01:15] <tomaj> stizoner google it, its easy as changing one option in a config file
[01:15] <HappyFool> linux_ubuntu: ask a specific question
[01:15] <topyli> stizoner: no distro setup by me allows root logins, much less graphical ones
[01:15] <Fanskapet> linux_ubuntu look at the topic, " Have a question? Just ask! "
[01:15] <stizoner> i did google it and all i got was 100's of people complaining that they couldnt login as root
[01:15] <tomaj> Pogopuschel-: nothing i got no outup, that usually means it works right?
[01:15] <stizoner> eh smal world
[01:15] <topyli> stizoner: that's true of mandrake and debian at least
[01:15] <tomaj> stizoner dont google for ubuntu
[01:15] <tomaj> google for xorg
[01:16] <Pogopuschel-> no, "ethtool eth0" should show you wol capabilities
[01:16] <linux_ubuntu> my browser not working, dialup is ok
[01:16] <Fanskapet> stizoner why would you want to login as root?
[01:16] <ompaulAFK> !tell stizoner about sudo
[01:16] <Pogopuschel-> and "ethtool -s eth0 wol g" sould enable wol
[01:16] <stizoner> so i can make changes without using commands that i dont know
[01:16] <Fanskapet> stizoner just use "sudo -s"
[01:16] <HappyFool> linux_ubuntu: how is it not working? Can you describe the problem more
[01:16] <Fanskapet> in bash
[01:16] <sJaM> no Fanskapet `sudo -i` is better
[01:16] <Fanskapet> ah well sudo -s suits me well atleast.
[01:16] <Adross> anyone know anything about the whole 'linux being trademarked' issue?
[01:17] <stizoner> no, im sick of sudo this and so that, if just want to save a file to a folder then i shouldnt have to pull up konsol and type crap in
[01:17] <sJaM> sudo -s is only a permanet sudo, and sudo -i gives an acutal root shell
[01:17] <Adross> cos this makes me madder then when those velocor raptors kidnapped santa
[01:17] <tomaj> Pogopuschel-: want a paste of the output?
[01:17] <pirast> yes, i know something
[01:17] <pirast> wait a second
[01:17] <linux_ubuntu> dialup connects fine but browser is not recognizing the connection. so no browsing
[01:17] <ompaulAFK> stizoner, then maybe ubuntu is not for you
[01:17] <sJaM> Applications -> System -> Root Terminal
[01:17] <tomaj> stizoner just one sec ill find the info for you
[01:17] <Fanskapet> stizoner there is a root terminal you know
[01:17] <Fanskapet> :)
[01:17] <sJaM> Applications -> System Tools -> Root Terminal
[01:17] <Adross> stizoner: you can make a launcher to run the file manager(nautilus) as root
[01:18] <tomaj> stizoner: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/01/msg00848.html
[01:18] <stizoner> im in kubuntu
[01:18] <Fanskapet> yeah. ubuntu is really built to be secure and easy
[01:18] <tomaj> took me less then 2 seconds
[01:18] <HappyFool> linux_ubuntu: try closing the browser and reopening it?
[01:18] <Pogopuschel-> tomaj: it should have worked if there was no error by "ethtool -s eth0 wol g"
[01:18] <pirast> Adross: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050816092029989
[01:18] <topyli> but he wants to use system commands he doesn't know anything about, so a terminal won't do :)
[01:18] <Fanskapet> if you want to be root all the time you should probably be using gentoo or something.
[01:18] <stizoner> thank you tomaj
[01:18] <tomaj> stizoni that's gnome
[01:18] <tomaj> let me find kde
[01:18] <ompaulAFK> stizoner, ask that one in #kubuntu
[01:18] <Pogopuschel-> but "ethtool eth0" should give you something about wol then
[01:18] <stizoner> like a desert in there
[01:18] <HappyFool> linux_ubuntu: how have you tested your dialup (i.e., how do you know it's working?)
[01:18] <Adross> stizoner: whats the problem?
[01:19] <tomaj> Pogopuschel-: ok ill test it later, thanx for your help buddy
[01:19] <linux_ubuntu> i did the dmesg command following pon
[01:19] <Pogopuschel-> np :)
[01:19] <linux_ubuntu> ip's assigned correctly
[01:19] <topyli> heh
[01:20] <HappyFool> linux_ubuntu: ok; is DNS resolution working? (e.g., what does 'dig www.google.com' return?)
[01:20] <Adross> pirast: thanks, it makes sense now
[01:20] <tomaj> stizoner: http://www.neowin.net/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t351833.html
[01:20] <Adross> i shall rebuild my Torvalds shrine
[01:20] <tomaj> stizoner: that's an explination for kde
[01:20] <linux_ubuntu> should i chech dynamic DNS?or ?
[01:21] <stizoner> haha, thanks dude but theres one problem
[01:21] <Adross> stizoner: you sure you want to run as root?
[01:21] <Adross> i mean seriously, we can talk about this
[01:21] <Adross> it doesn't have to go down this way
[01:21] <cyphase> Ubuntu: 1. "Humanity to others." 2. "I am who I am because of who we all are." 3. "The future of Linux."
[01:21] <cyphase> :)
[01:21] <stizoner> i cant get that 2 work, ive tried that, every since i upgraded to smp kernel i cant do that, login there doesnt work
[01:21] <tomaj> ok hold i found another
[01:21] <HappyFool> linux_ubuntu: i'm not following 'dynamics dns' -- i would guess standard dns should be able to resolve www.google.com
[01:22] <HappyFool> linux_ubuntu: just run 'dig www.google.com' in a terminal
[01:22] <tomaj> stizoner: (If you prefer to allow root logins to KDE, you can edit /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc as root and set AllowRootLogin= to "true".
[01:22] <Adross> stizoner: maybe its a sign?
[01:22] <tomaj> stizoner: i assume you are profficient enough to do that by yourself yes?
[01:23] <linux_ubuntu> thanks happyfool
[01:23] <Crissy> hi, see http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1468 I would like to make windows boot defualt, and remove the defualt kernal from grub list, any suggestions?
[01:23] <stizoner> im not going 2 stay logged in as root! its just when i want 2 make a change, just like in every other distro and windows
[01:23] <stizoner> yes thank you tomaj
[01:23] <stizoner> :D
[01:23] <linux_ubuntu> anyway what DNS settings should be during dial up connection creation
[01:23] <tomaj> stizoner: no problem, thank you for using #ubuntu :P j/k
[01:23] <HappyFool> linux_ubuntu: the namservers are entered into /etc/resolv.conf
[01:23] <tomaj> crissy ill help you just one sec
[01:24] <Crissy> okay
[01:24] <HappyFool> linux_ubuntu: that should be done by your dialup script (mine worked automatically)
[01:24] <pirast> Crissy: For setting windows boot default edit the file and set default from 0 to 10
[01:24] <ompaulAFK> !seen thoreauputic
[01:24] <ubotu> thoreauputic is currently on #kubuntu (1h 31m 39s) #ubuntu (1h 31m 39s)
[01:24] <ompaulAFK> !ping thoreauputic
[01:24] <ubotu> No idea, ompaulAFK
[01:24] <ompaulAFK> ohh :)
[01:24] <thoreauputic> ompaulAFK: I'm not here ;)
[01:25] <ompaulAFK> thoreauputic, okay :)
[01:25] <HappyFool> who said that?
[01:25] <thoreauputic> heheh
[01:25] <ompaul> doh
[01:25] <tomaj> crissy do what pirast said then test it out
[01:25] <tomaj> im off
[01:25] <tomaj> night everyoen
[01:25] <cyphase> 'night
[01:25] <Crissy> thanks will do
[01:27] <reiki> looking for someone good with Spamassassin to help me figure out why .... even though it's DETECTING the spam... it's not tagging the header or rewriting teh subject line. (I'm using Evolution with spamassassin as a filter)
[01:27] <x[x] > HappyFool
[01:27] <HappyFool> hello?
[01:27] <x[x] > lol
[01:28] <pirast> I have breezy, gnome panel ofter crashes since I upgraded some packages. Does anybody have the same problem?
[01:28] <x[x] > what were u saying about error 18?
[01:28] <pirast> I also reported it in the gnome bugtracker i hope..
[01:28] <HappyFool> oh right. that's from the grub docs
[01:28] <HappyFool> 18 : Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS
[01:28] <ompaul> thoreauputic, or to put it another way http://www.lyricsdomain.com/2/ben_harper/excuse_me_mister.html :-) that could be the other definition
[01:28] <ompaul> ahh no /msg
[01:28] <x[x] > well
[01:29] <x[x] > i just switched hard drives cuz i think i installed her on a faulty HD ( was faulty for ages )
[01:29] <stizoner> yay!! i was able 2 login as root
[01:29] <x[x] > so ima try her one more time
[01:30] <topyli> stizoner: congratulations, you are now the uber admin
[01:30] <stizoner> in a week i may be confident enough 2 delete and format my ntfs to ext3
[01:30] <stizoner> :P
[01:31] <HappyFool> x[x] : ok. i haven't had this error, and my /boot is somewhere after 80GB on my drive
[01:31] <topyli> stizoner: you are still doing it a bit strangely, but whatever. not many want to make that mistake :)
[01:31] <HappyFool> x[x] : i would guess this is only a problem for older motherboards, but i'm not sure
[01:32] <x[x] > well
[01:32] <x[x] > i donno man i installed ubuntu before on that pc with no problems
[01:32] <topyli> stizoner: so, now when you're configuring your box, you'll be also surfing for information as root, downloading files as root and ircing as root too?
[01:33] <HappyFool> x[x] : hmm, odd. do you have windows or another OS on that machine?
[01:33] <stizoner> its not strange i dont think, its how every other distro and windows does it, you want to make a change you login quick as root and logout, yes i understand the huge mistake it is with windows and how everyone is just logged in as admin/root, but if somebody is smart enough 2 just install ubuntu i think there smart enough 2 know the importance of not staying loged in as root, plus for the simplest of things i need 2 know commands us
[01:33] <stizoner> ing that sudo wich was driving me nuts
[01:33] <reiki> I have a suspicion that since evolution is reportedly using spamassassin now.... could it be stripping the tags from the headers as it processes its junk filter? hmmmmmm
[01:33] <x[x] > happyfool i DID
[01:33] <stizoner> sorry 4 the small book
[01:33] <x[x] > i took it off
[01:34] <x[x] > ( when i took out the HD )
[01:34] <HappyFool> x[x] : hmm. if you let ubuntu have the whole drive, it should Just Work
[01:34] <ompaul> stizoner, what were those commands you feel you need to use as root?
[01:34] <x[x] > yeah i did this time
[01:34] <x[x] > so hopefully it will work now
[01:35] <Ds136> Hey everyone, I got a question, I just installed a wireless USB device, but whenever i reboot with it still connected the boot freezes up. any one have any ideas? I also have a wireless network card installed also, I was thinking maybe there is some conflict between the two, but I'm not really sure.
[01:35] <topyli> stizoner: sounds awfully complicated, logging out and in and out again
[01:35] <reiki> x[x] : I installed a 160GB drive, gave Ubuntu the whole thing... and it installed fine. :)
[01:36] <spola> sup x[x]
[01:37] <thoreauputic> stizoner: funny, i can't identify with your problem - I just learnt about linux and now I can do stuff in seconds without all the rigmarole you are going through... but each to his own I guess
[01:37] <reiki> and I'm sorry, but #spamassassin is dead dead dead even with all those names in it... no response for 2 days. ... sheeesh... :)
[01:37] <gabriel> hi every one
[01:37] <Spear> hi there !
[01:37] <stizoner> thoreauputic, you magically just knew all commands? you were born that way?
[01:38] <thoreauputic> stizoner: did you read what I said?
[01:38] <reiki> I still type /sudo blah blah sometimes... I don't know where that's comin from :)
[01:38] <gabriel> how should hibernation work? when i press hibernation it doesn't work like xp on my laptop. the sistem goes to the logon screen and prompts for password. i enter it and comes back to desktop. very strange!
[01:39] <topyli> stizoner: i guess he learned them. or we told them on this here irc channel
[01:40] <stizoner> being able 2 save a file or delete it without knowing a command is not expecting 2 much
[01:40] <topyli> reiki: i a while you'll be ircing like "sh /whois topyli" :)
[01:40] <myo> i dont hear sound , when i open xmms and another players. but i hear the login sound
[01:40] <myo> how to config ?
[01:40] <reiki> topyli: I think I've done that too... heheh
[01:41] <noodle> is there any way i can speed up gnome'''''s remote deskkkkkktop?
[01:41] <thoreauputic> topyli: you know you're in trouble when you try to tab complete the TV remote ;)
[01:41] <gabriel> nobady uses hibernation?
[01:41] <topyli> hah
[01:42] <ompaul> thoreauputic, you what, take a break :)
[01:42] <topyli> thoreauputic: what is a "tv remote"? is it a vnc-type shell? :)
[01:42] <no_gatez_fan> trying to install with ultra ata-133 raid controler in the box....it gets to "deteting hardware to find dr rom or rives" screen, it goes up to 82% and stopps, any suggestions?
[01:42] <HappyFool> myo: in xmms, right click on the window somewhere, choose options -> preferences, and change the 'Output plugin' to eSound
[01:42] <no_gatez_fan> cd rom
[01:43] <thoreauputic> topyli: it has this *really* limited keyboard....
[01:44] <spola> myo, did you add support for mp3s? do .ogg files work? if not go to the ubuntuguide
[01:44] <reiki> y'know... working on this spamassassin filter for Evolution.... you'd think there'd be more GOOD information out there. Finding the filter was easy. Finding support for SpamAssassin is the hard part. I think it's important for Ubuntu (linux in general) to have a SIMPLE spam catcher. There are tons of them for Windoze machines. Simple as in... easy to install and configure for a desktop user.
[01:44] <topyli> thoreauputic: oh no! sounds like an MS appliance! even my phone has a full keyboard and a 80x25 screen :)
[01:44] <TraceGreen> Hello, when i tried to compile c program in Debian linux, i get this error : undefined reference to `errno', can anybody help me
[01:44] <Seveas> TraceGreen, your C program is buggy
[01:44] <tomaj> quick questions, does cron use the time showed in gnome or the bios time? how would you go about using cron to end azuerus and then shut down?
[01:45] <HappyFool> TraceGreen: try '#include <errno.h>' -- and maybe ask on #c ;)
[01:45] <Seveas> did you write it yourself?
[01:45] <thoreauputic> topyli: yeah, I can't even get tah interweb to work on it! WTF!
[01:45] <TraceGreen> Seveas, no.
[01:45] <TraceGreen> Actually, i try to reinstall libc6, before i do that, i can compile it sucessfully
[01:45] <tomaj> fint namn fanskapet
[01:45] <amichai> any of u guys have problems with ubuntu freezing?
[01:46] <tomaj> amichai: nope
[01:46] <Fanskapet> tomaj yez :)
[01:46] <reiki> Seveas: I have gotten a default spamassassin install working as a filter in evolution to detect spam. It's a bit slow (almost 7 seconds per email to process)
[01:46] <topyli> thoreauputic: i think we have one somewhere here. i seem to recall it was good for some limited uses like watching video streams
[01:46] <tomaj> quick questions, does cron use the time showed in gnome or the bios time? how would you go about using cron to end azuerus and then shut down?
[01:46] <thoreauputic> ;)
[01:47] <tomaj> sigh, im going to have to trial and error arent i
[01:47] <penguin_roar> amichai: i have problems with nautilus freezing up regularly but i run a tainted kernel with nvidia
[01:47] <tomaj> night ppl
[01:47] <amichai> how can i find out why my ubuntu freezes? i get this weird gray patterns and it freezes or it freezes while watching a mv
[01:47] <amichai> movie
[01:47] <ompaul> TraceGreen, if you find that 'grep -rs ?extern int errno? *' gives an answer from the stuff you put on your machine or in the source it needs conventions to be updated
[01:47] <topyli> reiki: yes it is. i don't know if you can set it up to use spamc so you can run spamd continuously. that would speed it up
[01:47] <no_gatez_fan> i guess i will let it chew on the cd for a while
[01:48] <x[x] > Hamlesh
[01:48] <penguin_roar> amichai: its probably your graphics driver that freeze, what card and driver are you using
[01:48] <x[x] > err
[01:48] <x[x] > HappyFool it looks like everything is sorted
[01:48] <topyli> reiki: i just filter the mail before i load it into evolution
[01:48] <x[x] > its gotten past that error
[01:48] <HappyFool> x[x] : good stuff
[01:48] <x[x] > lots o stuff is loading
[01:48] <spola> ugh
[01:48] <x[x] > hah spola?
[01:48] <x[x] > what u doin here?
[01:48] <amichai> penguin_roar, ati and fglrx
[01:48] <spola> this is my second home dude! :p
[01:48] <spola> nah i needed some help with this stupid error but noone knew :/
[01:48] <x[x] > freenode or this chan?
[01:49] <reiki> topyli: actually I've found that using spamc with spamd really didn't speed it up at all. I've tried both ways. And once you call spamassassin it starts spamd (5 child processes) so you can use spamc and try it both ways
[01:49] <penguin_roar> amichai: is that the free driver or is it from ATI?
[01:49] <spola> just here
[01:49] <dbernar1> all hail the mighty Ubuntu!
[01:49] <dbernar1> ;)
[01:49] <topyli> reiki: i blame evolution. just filter the mail at delivery time (fetchmail, procmail)
[01:50] <reiki> topyli: how are you filtering? using fetchmail/procmail setup? I'm really trying to get this down to a VERY simple process for non-technical people.
[01:50] <topyli> heh ^
[01:50] <reiki> ok... answered while asking
[01:50] <spola> so you decided to give ubuntu another go huh? that's my fourth convert!
[01:50] <Crissy> Hi, see http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1469 I need help editing the grub menu by removing the generic kernals in the list how/what do I do?
[01:50] <reiki> topyli: how well does a fetchmail/procmail solution work on a single user desktop machine that isn't running 24.7 ?
[01:50] <TraceGreen> ompaulAFK, thx, i think i fix it.
[01:51] <TraceGreen> i must add erron.h
[01:51] <Fanskapet> agh stupied mySQL still fighting to compile it on ubuntu :)
[01:51] <topyli> reiki: it works perfectly :)
[01:51] <amichai> penguin_roar, umm. the linux prop. from ati.com
[01:51] <Fanskapet> or well get it to work afterwards :)
[01:51] <topyli> reiki: although i have two clients here
[01:52] <topyli> reiki: fetchmail simply gets the mail in the morning once you boot
[01:52] <Crissy> Thanks for the prior help making grub boot windoz by defualt :/
[01:52] <HappyFool> Crissy: well, one way might be to uninstall the related linux-image packages
[01:53] <HappyFool> Crissy: i also see a 'howmany=all' parameter (line 103) which you could play with
[01:53] <reiki> topyli: and is fetchmail set to ... uh... well... fetch mail every 10 minutes or so? And what happens if a user is online, already, someone sends them an email, and they want to check if it's in... right now?
[01:53] <pablo_> eyyy
[01:53] <pablo_> i need help
[01:53] <penguin_roar> amichai: try the free driver and see if you get rid of the freezes, then file a bug to ati
[01:53] <HappyFool> Crissy: maybe you could see what 'howmany=1' does. Why is it important to prune the grub menu anyway?
[01:53] <Crissy> Okay, if I don't need them can I do Apps - Add remove ?
[01:54] <amichai> penguin_roar, u mean the one from apt?
[01:54] <topyli> reiki: a mortal user can't do it. the superuser can run /etc/init.d/fetchmail awaken
[01:54] <Crissy> I'm actually setting up this system for a real non user, and don't want grub to be confusing.
[01:54] <HappyFool> Crissy: i'd use synaptic for this (under 'Advanced' in Applications->System Tools->Add remove programs, or System->Admin->Synaptic)
[01:54] <topyli> reiki: (actually i'm not sure if there's a client program for fetchmail to do the same)
[01:55] <penguin_roar> amichai: i think its included in xfree so you shouldnt have to d/l anything
[01:55] <HappyFool> Crissy: look for the 'linux-image' packages, and remove the appropriate ones
[01:55] <Crissy> Happy, will check
[01:55] <HappyFool> Crissy: i don't have an amd64, so i'm not sure what the precise package names will be
[01:55] <reiki> topyli: that's a nice solution for you and me, but .... I'm aiming for *simple*. So far spamassassin is working... if a little slowly... I just need to see why it's ignoring whitelist_from directives and NOT rewriting teh subject line as instructed
[01:55] <amichai> penguin_roar, i have xorg
[01:56] <reiki> topyli: couldn't you just create a launcher that runs that same fetchmail awaken thing as sudo?
[01:56] <topyli> probably
[01:57] <topyli> reiki: in /etc/sudoers, you could give perhaps the "users" group permission to run the command without password
[01:57] <reiki> topyli: sorry for so many questions, but do you have a feel for how long it's taking to process each incoming email using fetchmail/procmail with spamassassin?
[01:58] <mogg_> hi, I am using ubuntu on an older pc, and whenI scroll in a listbox, the refreshing of it look really ugly
[01:59] <mogg_> on kde / windows its smooth, any idea how I can fix this ?
[01:59] <Crissy> Happy, under "base system restricted" I see "linux amd64 generic 2.6.10.7" also "restricted modules" with same version
[01:59] <barongas> I have an usb mp3-player I'm about to connect, as far as I I've understood it it's just plug and go in ubuntu? Something I should be doing?
[01:59] <Crissy> Also listed are the ones for the K8 which I want to keep
[02:00] <topyli> reiki: dunno, but in the morning when you have lots of mail it does take some time
[02:00] <tomaj> i give up, someone please help me with cron
[02:00] <topyli> reiki: spamd/spamc works better i think this way than through evolution (which starts a zillion processes)
[02:00] <rephorm> tomaj: sure, what's the problem?
[02:01] <Crissy> tomaj, i'll help you :/ (i wish) just kidding
[02:01] <tomaj> rephorm: i cant seem to get azuerus running
[02:01] <tomaj> crissy, one day ;)
[02:01] <Crissy> :)
[02:01] <reiki> topyli: maybe not much faster than what I'm seeing by running it right from Evo... hmmm.... I'll keep slogging away at this. I think it's important :) ... and right now I'm using a spamc filter in Evo rther than calling spamassassin. It works but only at a very marginal improvement in speed
[02:01] <rephorm> tomaj: azureus uses cron?
[02:02] <tomaj> i dont know, i asked how to start a program based on timer and people said to use cron
[02:02] <ApellA> hi everyone
[02:02] <topyli> reiki: yeah well, it's hard to observe the daemon's speed by eyeball, and it doesn't interfere with my daily chores, so...
[02:02] <tomaj> rephorm: can you not start azureus using cron?
[02:02] <reiki> topyli: so... so it works! :) that's what really matters.
[02:02] <jimcooncat> what's the easiest way to set up spamassassin for my office? Amavisd looks too complicated. Can't I just pipe incoming email?
[02:03] <topyli> reiki: and if it works poorly, i don't notice =)
[02:03] <reiki> hehehe... ok
[02:03] <tomaj> i put <minute from now> <this hour> * * * /usr/bin/azuerus but nothing starts
[02:03] <rephorm> tomaj: sure, you want it to run at a certain time each night?
[02:03] <tomaj> rephorm: exactly
[02:03] <tomaj> rephorm: but when i test it it doesnt start
[02:04] <rephorm> tomaj: 2 things: make sure you /etc/init.d/cron reload after editing the crontab
[02:04] <tomaj> rephorm: ok one sec let me try that
[02:05] <tomaj> rephorm: whats the second thing?
[02:05] <rephorm> tomaj: and, put your user name in the user column (just before the command), and you probably need to do somethign like "DISPLAY=0 /usr/sbin/azureus"
[02:05] <bimberi> tomaj: is that a true copy of the crontab line - because azureus is mis-spelled
[02:05] <ApellA> can anyone answer this? if i try to install the nvidia drivers (downloaded from their site) it gives me the following line: Verifying archive integrity... Error in check sums 1462614117 2000453180
[02:05] <bimberi> ?
[02:05] <ApellA> what to do about it?
[02:05] <tomaj> bimberi: no its not
[02:06] <tomaj> rephorm: i thought that was if you put it in the "global" crontab file or sth
[02:06] <bimberi> tomaj: k :)
[02:06] <tomaj> rephorm: im using crontab -e
[02:06] <rephorm> tomaj: oh, ok. :)
[02:06] <rephorm> tomaj: then add the display var
[02:06] <tomaj> where? before the /usr... ?
[02:07] <rephorm> yeah
[02:07] <rephorm> tomaj: and you don't have to reload cron with crontab -e :)
[02:07] <Crissy> Question, will grub automatically change the defualt startup drive number if you remove extra kernals from the system, or do i need to re-edit grub ?
[02:07] <tomaj> rephorm: oh ok at least that's one less step :)
[02:08] <tomaj> crissy: manually
[02:08] <Crissy> okay
[02:08] <tomaj> rephorm: it still doesnt work
[02:08] <ApellA> can anyone answer this? if i try to install the nvidia drivers (downloaded from their site) it gives me the following line: Verifying archive integrity... Error in check sums 1462614117 2000453180
[02:08] <tomaj> rephorm: wait let me try one thing
[02:08] <rephorm> tomaj: yeah. hmm. i've never run gui apps from cron before :)
[02:09] <Crissy> ApellA, you might try downloading it again, it could be just a bad download
[02:09] <ApellA> did that allready twice
[02:09] <ApellA> but ok, will try again, never know
[02:10] <Crissy> :)
[02:10] <mgcross> what version of autoimake should I use? I see 1.4 through 1.9 in synaptic...
[02:10] <tomaj> rephorm: nah didnt work, this is the exact line '10 22 * * * "DISPLAY=0 /usr/bin/azureus"'
[02:10] <Crissy> Also delete the one you have so it doesn't get mixed up
[02:10] <tomaj> rephorm: its 22:10 here
[02:10] <tomaj> ApellA why use their drivers?
[02:11] <pirast> Hi, does Ubuntu already used the run_parallel boot paramter? If not: How do I activate it?
[02:11] <Seveas> mgcross, depends
[02:11] <Seveas> they are all mutually incompatible
[02:12] <ApellA> tomaj: so i can play a game i wanted to play again
[02:12] <Seveas> but most programs compile with either
[02:12] <tomaj> ApellA why not use the ubuntu ones?
[02:12] <ApellA> it doesn't seem to work
[02:12] <mgcross> Seveas: just trying to compile vdrift....thought I already had automake installed but I guess not
[02:13] <tomaj> rephorm: any more ideas?
[02:13] <Seveas> mgcross, try automake --version in a terminal
[02:13] <mgcross> Seveas: I'm going to use checkinstall as well...
[02:13] <Seveas> good!
[02:14] <lfalvarez> hi. I have a dns running on mi machine. I can ping mail.mydomain.com. but I cant telnet mail.mydomain.com 25 Any ideas, I'm using postfix.
[02:14] <mgcross> Seveas: K, TY
[02:14] <kemik> Seveas: any how-tos to make your own .deb ?
[02:14] <Seveas> lfalvarez, by default, the MTA installed on an Ubuntu machine does not listen to the outside
[02:14] <pirast> lfalvarez maybe postfix is configured for local mails only..
[02:14] <Seveas> kemik, apt-get install maint-guide
[02:14] <stizoner> god im such a tool sometimes, realize how 2 do something then slap yourself in the head
[02:14] <Seveas> /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/
[02:15] <mgcross> Seveas: nope, not installed....witch versoin is best for general use with checkinstall?
[02:15] <Seveas> try 1.8
[02:15] <tomaj> anyone have any ideas on how to start a gui program based on timer?
[02:15] <Seveas> 1.9 introduces some new 'features'
[02:15] <topyli> mgcross: install build-essential and take whatever it depends on :)
[02:15] <mgcross> Seveas: 1.8...do you mind if I ask why?
[02:15] <kemik> tomaj: cron perhaps ?
[02:15] <kemik> or timer is an actual application ?
[02:15] <pirast> lfalvarez: You can change this setting: dpkg-reconfigure --priority=low postfix
[02:15] <Seveas> mgcross, it's the most recent relatively compatible version
[02:15] <mgcross> hmmm...build essential IS installed...strange...
[02:15] <tomaj> kemik, trying cron but it doesnt work
[02:16] <Seveas> 1.9 often means rewriting lots of .am files
[02:16] <rephorm> tomaj: i'm looking at it now, and sure enough its not working how its supposed to :)
[02:16] <tomaj> kemik: i cant seem to get it to work
[02:16] <tomaj> rephorm: ok what should i do?
[02:16] <fredric> Hi.. I'm new to the whole linux thing, and I have a sort of stupid question.. How do I play mp3's? I get a error message that says the the plugin is missing, and XMMS just crashes when I try to use it instead of the audioplayer or Totem
[02:17] <thoreauputic> tomaj if you want tostart something after a delay you can do sleep 1h && <command> (delays by one hour - s for seconds, m for minutes)
[02:17] <rephorm> tomaj: just a sec. :)
[02:17] <topyli> mgcross: oh, build-essential doesn't depend on the auto* tools
[02:17] <mgcross> hmmm...build essential IS installed...strange...wouldn't it have depended on something like automake?...that's why I installed build-essentials...
[02:17] <tomaj> !mp3
[02:17] <ubotu> I guess mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[02:17] <stizoner> use amarok fredric
[02:17] <mgcross> Seveas: gottcha!
[02:17] <tomaj> thoreauputic: im going to start computer on timer and the azureus :)
[02:17] <tomaj> rephorm: sure thing
[02:17] <fredric> stizoner: thanks!
[02:18] <tomaj> stizoner ubotu was talking to you ;)
[02:18] <tomaj> shit
[02:18] <pirast> fredric: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646&page=1&highlight=automate+script+users can be very helpfull, too
[02:18] <spine55> I have a problem with my computer it has a k7n2 board and locks up while in X its rock solid while command line
[02:18] <tomaj> fredric: ubotu was talking to you lol not stizoner :)
[02:19] <topyli> fredric: install gstreamer0.8-mad for mp3 support in all gnome apps
[02:19] <spine55> just wanted to know if anyone can tell me how to troubleshoot this kind of problem
[02:19] <pirast> spine55: Do you have an ATI card?
[02:19] <spine55> pirast: yeah
[02:19] <spine55> pirast: 7200
[02:19] <sn0n> hey guys.. where would i suggest changing /etc/debian_version into /etc/ubuntu_version
[02:19] <sn0n> (and updating the version #)
[02:19] <mgcross> Seveas: configure: error: cannot find install-sh or install.sh in . ./.. ./../..
[02:20] <pirast> Ok, it's a bug in Hoary I think. I already crated a bugreport: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10579
[02:20] <topyli> sn0n: it's deprecated anyway, lsb-release is the one these days :)
[02:20] <mgcross> do I need to reboot after installing automake? wouldn't have thought so...
[02:20] <sn0n> topyli, my scripts stat uses it.. ;-)
[02:20] <pirast> spine55: You can try to change ati in vesa in you /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:20] <sn0n> http://phpsysinfo.sourceforge.net/
[02:20] <topyli> sn0n: your script is old-fashioned :)
[02:20] <sn0n> yeah
[02:20] <sn0n> last update was 1 year ago
[02:20] <sn0n> lol
[02:20] <spine55> pirast: so just change the line that has ati to vesa?
[02:20] <tomaj> sn0n try the webby and forums
[02:21] <pirast> yep
[02:21] <pirast> and restart x, spine55
[02:21] <sn0n> i was gonna fix it.. so it dont say im using debian 3.1
[02:21] <fredric> thanks all of you then ;-)
[02:21] <spine55> sweet thanks!
[02:21] <sn0n> http://sn0nsb0x.info/~rob/info/
[02:21] <sn0n> see
[02:21] <tomaj> pirast would fglrx be a better option?
[02:21] <sn0n> Distro Name Debian 3.1
[02:21] <pirast> I don't know if the fglrx drivers work with you card.
[02:21] <Firsti_> Hello
[02:21] <spine55> pirast: no they don't already tried that
[02:22] <pirast> k
[02:22] <Firsti_> Is there some way to play lxdoom as fullscreen ?
[02:22] <tomaj> spine55 what card are u using?
[02:22] <tomaj> just out of intrest
[02:22] <ZanTuzZ> I know i sound like a newbie now, i have downloaded ubuntu-5.04-live-i386.iso to my computer, then what?! do i have to burn it down on i cd like a "boot-cd" ?! please help
[02:22] <pirast> (14:19:41) spine55: pirast: yeah
[02:22] <pirast> (14:19:48) spine55: pirast: 7200
[02:22] <topyli> sn0n: webmin does the same
[02:22] <pirast> I have a Radeon 7000, same problem..
[02:23] <HappyFool> ZanTuzZ: yip, you need to burn it to CD
[02:23] <sn0n> topyli, calls ubuntu debain 3.1 ?
[02:23] <stizoner> i managed to install the official ati drivers, dont ask me how though that was many commands/hours ago, i found it in the forum though
[02:23] <Spear> hi again, i just need an advice : i' m using Ubuntu Hoary, with the old Warty Kernel. I downloaded a kernel from kernel.org, 2.6.10, and started to compile it via make-kpkg. One i restarted, i got a Kernel Panic " kernel panic ernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0) " ... so, i looked for an answer, but i got an idea : i compiled using the old conf file. The old kernel has an initrd line, thing the new one
[02:23] <Spear> doesn' t have (i didn't think about that) ... could it be that the filesystem or whatelse would be modular via initrd and, then, as i took the old conffile and didin't integrate it to the kernel, would do that it cannot be found and that i get the kernel panic error ? :D
[02:23] <topyli> sn0n: yes
[02:23] <ZanTuzZ> HappyFool: A boot-cd?
[02:23] <mgcross> Seveas: configure: error: cannot find install-sh or install.sh in . ./.. ./../.....what am I missing?
[02:23] <tomaj> Spear: problem number one is not using synaptic ;)
[02:23] <sn0n> its cuz that file... /etc/debian_version just renaming it to /etc/ubuntu_version
[02:23] <sn0n> in breezy maybe?
[02:23] <HappyFool> ZanTuzZ: it already is a boot image, but yes, it will be a boot cd
[02:23] <sn0n> ;-)
[02:23] <HappyFool> ZanTuzZ: you shouldn't need to do anything special
[02:24] <Spear> he he, i didn't use synaptic at all :)
[02:24] <Spear> a good old debian compilation ...
[02:24] <Firsti_> How I can play lxdoom in FullScreen?
[02:24] <ZanTuzZ> HappyFool: Okay... just burn the image to the disk
[02:24] <rephorm> tomaj: ok, as a test, add a line to your crontab to do something simple, like "touch ~/testfile"
[02:24] <HappyFool> ZanTuzZ: should work
[02:24] <sn0n> what uses /etc/debian_version ? like is there any harm in editing it ;-)
[02:24] <rephorm> tomaj: then see if the file exists after the specified time
[02:24] <sn0n> aka : killing it and making an ubuntu_version
[02:25] <topyli> sn0n: then webmin and phpsysinfo won't find the file at all. better to fix phpsyinfo and webmin :)
[02:25] <HappyFool> Spear: why can't you use a precompiled kernel? Wouldn't that be (much?) easier?
[02:25] <thoreauputic> sn0n: why not point your script at /etc/issue ?
[02:25] <ZanTuzZ> HappyFool: thank you so much... i will trie that
[02:25] <ZanTuzZ> try*
[02:25] <tomaj> rephorm: ok testint that now
[02:25] <sn0n> topyli, how? if its using /etc/debian_version ;-)
[02:25] <Seveas> mgcross, no idea
[02:25] <sn0n> it gets the name from the file
[02:25] <Seveas> it's somthing in the build system of that software
[02:25] <airco> question: does anyone know how to write grep -irs Desk.Admin $(find /home/www/* -name "*jsp") in a single command? (i need to use it in an environment which doesn't support bash syntax)
[02:26] <topyli> thoreauputic: /etc/issue might as well say "Welcome to topyli's b0rken Ubuntu box!" :)
[02:26] <sn0n> hehehe
[02:26] <Seveas> airco, does it support pipes?
[02:26] <topyli> sn0n: make it use /etc/lsb-release
[02:26] <tomaj> rephorm: '26 22 * * * "touch /home/tomaj/text"' didnt work
[02:26] <HappyFool> airco: you can get find to run grep
[02:26] <Seveas> HappyFool, eben better :)
[02:26] <sn0n> ahhh
[02:26] <sn0n> thnx topyli
[02:26] <sn0n> :-D
[02:26] <rephorm> tomaj: take out the quotes :)
[02:27] <tomaj> the ' or the " ?
[02:27] <rephorm> tomaj: "
[02:27] <mgcross> Seveas: hmmm...think it's actually a problem with the source I'm using...will re-download...thanks for the help :-)
[02:27] <spine55> pirast: thanks again I'm back in
[02:27] <parhitean5> bali
[02:27] <ronin> hi all
[02:27] <Seveas> airco, find /home/www -iname '*.jsp -exec grep 'whatever to grep {} .
[02:27] <parhitean5> bawel
[02:27] <Seveas> airco, find /home/www -iname '*.jsp' -exec grep 'whatever to grep' {} .
[02:27] <pirast> spine55: np
[02:27] <airco> Seveas: pipes aren't an opption
[02:27] <Spear> Happyfool : i just wanted to try :D
[02:27] <airco> Seveas: k, thx, i'll try that
[02:27] <Seveas> take the latter
[02:27] <amichai> i saw there is a breezy snapshot release, how can i upgrade through apt without breaking my system? just to experience the snapshot, any ideas?
[02:27] <Seveas> the first one misses a feq quotes :)
[02:28] <Seveas> amichai, better use an install cd to upgradr
[02:28] <Seveas> upgrade*
[02:28] <Seveas> pop it in, and answer yes to the 'upgrade from this cd' popup
[02:28] <tomaj> rephorm im testing
[02:28] <x[x] > woop
[02:28] <amichai> Seveas, is the install cd safe? u tried it?
[02:28] <x[x] > ubuntu is installed
[02:28] <x[x] > and working
[02:28] <Seveas> no guarantees on not breaking :)
[02:28] <airco> find: missing argument to `-exec'
[02:28] <x[x] > thanks to all who helped and too who made this thing
[02:28] <airco> should i put it in '' ?
[02:28] <Seveas> airco, sec
[02:29] <HappyFool> you need a ';' as well for exec
[02:29] <LinuxJones> amichai, I wouldn't upgrade to Breezy quite yet
[02:29] <ronin_> sorry, laggy internet..
[02:29] <spola> congrats!
[02:29] <tomaj> rephorm: touch works
[02:29] <HappyFool> find /home/www -iname '*.jsp' -exec grep 'whatever to grep' {} ;
[02:29] <HappyFool> you might also need to escape {, } and ;, depending
[02:29] <topyli> amichai: upgrade via apt also worked for me, but that doesn't mean the system is production-ready
[02:29] <Seveas> airco, find /home/www -iname '*.jsp' -exec grep 'whatever to grep' {} ';'
[02:29] <Seveas> airco, find /home/www -iname '*.jsp' -exec grep 'whatever to grep' '{}' ';'
[02:29] <Seveas> quotes all over the place are needed...
[02:29] <pirast> LinuxJones is right, I upgraded and there are still some problems with dependendics etc.
[02:30] <amichai> topyli, how did u do it? cos i changed everything to breezy and then it just froze and died
[02:30] <topyli> amichai: that's what i did too. oh well, different day, different bugs
[02:30] <topyli> :)
[02:30] <ronin_> does anyone know how i can change the default-OS in GRUB and the waiting period?
[02:30] <amichai> topyli, and its working?
[02:30] <pirast> yes..
[02:31] <sn0n> topyli, i hate you.. LoL.. creating all this work for me
[02:31] <sn0n> ;-)
[02:31] <tomaj> roning_ start root console and then type nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:31] <pirast> ronin_ sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:31] <airco> k, almost there, now i just need the grep to show the name of the file, and adding the usual -irs options doesn't seem to work :)
[02:31] <tomaj> or that
[02:31] <pirast> :-D
[02:31] <topyli> amichai: dunno, the box is at work, i haven't touched it after upgrade
[02:31] <sn0n> i'll just check if the file lsb-release exists, and if it does use it
[02:31] <ronin_> tomaj: pirast
[02:31] <HappyFool> airco: find should show the name if grep matches (i think)
[02:31] <ronin_> thanx,
[02:31] <airco> btw, just out of curiosity, what is the {} for?
[02:32] <airco> HappyFool: well, i'm afraid it doesn't :-/ maybe i can tweak the options of the find command, lemme have a look
[02:32] <tomaj> sudo is better to advise than root console isnt it?
[02:32] <tomaj> rephorm: ?
[02:32] <amichai> yes
[02:32] <ronin_> tomaj: i think so...
[02:32] <tomaj> rephorm: whats happening?
[02:32] <topyli> sn0n: it should exist on any distro that even remotely tries to conform to the standard
[02:32] <sn0n> gentoo
[02:32] <sn0n> dont
[02:32] <sn0n> ;-)
[02:32] <sn0n> a friend is on a gentoo box
[02:32] <sn0n> dont have it
[02:33] <tomaj> gentoo ams for the leet people
[02:33] <HappyFool> airco: stand by...
[02:33] <kameron> gentoo is for ricers.
[02:33] <sn0n> but i wanna keep the script 'distro friendly'
[02:33] <sn0n> ya kno
[02:33] <tomaj> ricers?
[02:33] <topyli> sn0n: i guess gentoo doesn't care about lsb-compliance
[02:33] <sn0n> nope
[02:33] <sn0n> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/96825
[02:33] <kameron> http://funroll-loops.org/
[02:34] <rephorm> tomaj: its not running because the DISPLAY variable isn't getting set. but i can't get it to work here. (again, never done X apps from cron). btw, it should have been "DISPLAY=:0" (with the colon)
[02:34] <kameron> i just got my ubuntu install finally working. i wrestled with the AMD64 version for a few days, and it just wasn't working out, so i'm running the x86 version on my AMD64.
[02:34] <rephorm> tomaj: but, still doesn't work
[02:35] <redlounge> hi. is there an easy way to use the 'win' key with ubuntu/gnome?
[02:35] <tomaj> rephorm: hmm, bummer, but shouldnt it run without the gui bit anyway?
[02:35] <airco> HappyFool: never mind, got it. grep '-H' does the trick
[02:35] <sn0n> redlounge, sure, use keybindings ?
[02:35] <rephorm> tomaj: is azureus cmd line?
[02:35] <tomaj> its java?
[02:35] <kameron> redlounge: i'm sure there is with keybindings. i know that in kde it gets default set to open the menu.
[02:35] <rephorm> tomaj: but, it runs with a gui, no?
[02:35] <HappyFool> airco: hmm. find is supposed to 'match' if the command returns 0
[02:35] <tomaj> rephorm: it has a console, not sure about cmdline tho
[02:35] <PurpleMotion> off the top of your heads, does anyone know how to search for something in limewire and have an EXCLUSION (example, i would like to search for "blonde" without returning anything that contains "xxx"
[02:36] <PurpleMotion> )
[02:36] <spine55> pirast, if you can can you send me that bug report link again?
[02:36] <tomaj> rephorm: yeah does
[02:36] <kameron> tomaj: it's a rich GUI java app. but you might be able to do it on cmd line, not sure.
[02:36] <redlounge> sn0n, any hint how to do that?
[02:36] <filip_> how can i burn an .avi in ubuntu, i whant to look the movie on an dvd player.
[02:36] <ronin_> tomaj: i believe azureus is java... at least the gui..
[02:36] <sn0n> no clue.. ima user :-D
[02:36] <pirast> yes, it is java
[02:36] <tomaj> i know its java, problem is can it be run through cron without the gui
[02:36] <PurpleMotion> azureus is great, but DONT use the download bar option, and make sure it STAYS minimized when you're not using it
[02:37] <kameron> filip_ burn it in a vcd or svcd format, make sure your standalone dvd player supports this.
[02:37] <redlounge> sn0n, i know there is system -> settings -> keyboard
[02:37] <PurpleMotion> otherwise it eats memory like a fat kid in a hershey factory
[02:37] <ronin_> tomaj: i dont know...
[02:37] <tomaj> k
[02:37] <filip_> kameron: how to do this?
[02:37] <Whitesocks> Quick question: what package contains the source for common functions like strcpy() etc?
[02:37] <LinuxJones> filip_, you need to transcode the .avi file to the mpeg2 format
[02:37] <giard> anyone having problems installing colony 3? I'm getting stuck at 91% - Downloading file 4 of 8 (0s remaining)
[02:37] <kameron> filip_ take your pick of programs, i like k3b the best.
[02:37] <tomaj> is there another way to launch programs based on timer?
[02:37] <tomaj> does ubuntu have an autostart feature?
[02:37] <kameron> giard: try a different mirror?
[02:37] <topyli> sn0n: thinking about those tools and scripts, it's not too bad to identify ubuntu as debian. the point is to find the relevant system files in the correct places after all
[02:37] <rephorm> tomaj: ok. change the DISPLAY=0 to DISPLAY=:0 and it should work
[02:38] <filip_> LinuxJones: how can i do that?
[02:38] <LinuxJones> tomaj, yes on both accounts
[02:38] <parhitean1> hai every body what going n
[02:38] <topyli> sn0n: so the difference is just in the name in that sense
[02:38] <HappyFool> airco: ah, i have it
[02:38] <ronin_> bye all
[02:38] <pirast> cu
[02:38] <sn0n> then use that menu redlounge
[02:38] <HappyFool> find /home/www -iname '*.jsp' -exec grep -q 'whatever to grep' '{}' ';' -print
[02:38] <kameron> hi there parhitean1
[02:38] <LinuxJones> filip_, it depends on what type of .avi file you have best to search google
[02:38] <manusia> hai all
[02:38] <tomaj> rephorm: 38 22 * * * "DISPLAY=:0 /usr/bin/azureus" doesnt work
[02:38] <giard> kameron: that's during the install
[02:38] <manusia> can I join with you
[02:38] <rephorm> tomaj: no quotes...
[02:38] <tomaj> linuxjones: care to elaborate?
[02:38] <kameron> giard: what?
[02:38] <HappyFool> airco: i think '-print' is the default action, unless you specify one (e.g., with -exec)
[02:39] <sn0n> topyli, what ima do is just check for the file lsb-release if its not there, use the existing /etc-distro file
[02:39] <airco> HappyFool: k, thx
[02:39] <tomaj> rephorm: i tried that but ill try it again
[02:39] <manusia> hiiiiiii
[02:39] <giard> kameron: the install off the disc is almost finished... and then it gets stuck there... there wasn't a place to select a mirror
[02:39] <rephorm> tomaj: whatever you put after the last * has to be a cmd. "foobar" is just a string :)
[02:39] <manusia> mbgmh
[02:39] <topyli> sn0n: yep
[02:39] <kameron> giard: oh, i see what you mean. maybe your cd is crap? any big scratches on it?
[02:39] <tomaj> rephorm ok
[02:39] <sn0n> :-D
[02:39] <maxthon> manusia: hi
[02:39] <sn0n> but im not gonna tinker with webmin
[02:39] <sn0n> i dont use it
[02:39] <sn0n> hehe
[02:39] <pirast> Is the problem with azureus still existing?
[02:39] <tomaj> rephorm: doesnt work
[02:39] <sn0n> only this stats script
[02:39] <sn0n> lol
[02:40] <redlounge> sn0n, ok i got it :)
[02:40] <giard> kameron: I guess I was just asking to see if anyone else has had problems installing colony 3
[02:40] <stizoner> azurues works better/faster on this then does windows
[02:40] <kameron> giard: yeah, i haven't installed it. just trying to give you some basic info here. sorry.
[02:41] <rephorm> tomaj: switch to a console (ctrl-alt-f1 e.g.) and make sure that DISPLAY=:0 /usr/bin/azureus runs
[02:41] <LinuxJones> filip_, there is at or cron command for time based execution you can start apps when you launch Ubuntu in System >> preferences >> Sessions >> Startup Programs
[02:41] <topyli> sn0n: i'm happy with webmin thinking this box is debian, as long as ubuntu and debian are similar enough
[02:41] <sn0n> hehehe
[02:41] <manusia> lkjb;zkodhfb ignzoig
[02:41] <manusia> ewgkxocivhae lktj ac
[02:41] <manusia> bozdkglkwjpna dufjw
[02:41] <sn0n> i just want it to show a kewl ubuntu icon (which i'll have to make and add)
[02:41] <sn0n> hehehe
[02:41] <manusia> jpst zbjz jgjdkjfg
[02:41] <manusia> dokgjdg
[02:41] <manusia> gjdgojr tdofjbotrh
[02:41] <manusia> gkjdojojejgdg
[02:41] <manusia> dfgkdog
[02:41] <manusia> dfgk
[02:41] <topyli> sn0n: so that the tools work
[02:41] <manusia> fgkfkkg;djgita
[02:41] <sn0n> no.. everything works
[02:41] <kameron> manusia don't flood please.
[02:41] <sn0n> i just want it to say ubuntu
[02:41] <sn0n> hehehe
[02:41] <topyli> manusia: ooh, you can rot13! how 1337
[02:41] <sn0n> and since it looks like its abandoned
[02:41] <sn0n> i'll take up and help it out
[02:41] <stizoner> maybe its his language
[02:42] <tomaj> rephorm: it loads but throws an error
[02:42] <manusia> I"m sorry guys ..
[02:42] <sn0n> update it to use the lsb-release files and other stuff
[02:42] <topyli> yeah right
[02:42] <sn0n> know what i mean ?
[02:42] <kameron> is anyone running AMD64 ubuntu 5.04?
[02:42] <giard> has anyone installed colony 3 yet?
[02:42] <tomaj> that could be because x is running on tty7 couldnt it?
[02:42] <sn0n> alot of people i know use the script
[02:42] <manusia> some1 want talk to me please
[02:42] <tomaj> rephorm: that could be because x is running on tty7 couldnt it?
[02:42] <jkossen> kameron: yup
[02:42] <topyli> sn0n: your plan sounds ok
[02:42] <sn0n> may as well start helping out the poor abandoned thing.. hehe
[02:42] <Grat> manusia what do you want to talk?
[02:43] <rephorm> tomaj: setting the DISPLAY var tells it which X to launch on
[02:43] <kameron> jkhossen, do you mind if i pm you?
[02:43] <tomaj> ok well in that case it doesnt work, maybe the x is wrong?
[02:43] <barongas> I'm trying to find tips where to start troubleshooting on why my mp3-player wont pop up as /dev/sda1. Any ideas?
[02:43] <tomaj> i mean the display bit
[02:43] <jkossen> kameron: not if it's not interesting for the rest of the channel
[02:43] <manusia> anything gues
[02:43] <HappyFool> barongas: take a look at the output of dmesg
[02:43] <HappyFool> barongas: maybe do 'dmesg|tail -f' in a console window, and unplug and plug it in
[02:44] <manusia> Grat anyone here from indonesia ?? I wanna talk with indonesia guy here
[02:44] <kameron> jkossen: the channel is just kind of busy is all, but i'll ask here.
[02:45] <Grat> manusia: im from slovenia
[02:45] <tomaj> rephorm: i get a XLIB connection to "0,0" refused by server or sth
[02:45] <jkossen> kameron: ok, go ahead
[02:45] <manusia> slovenia ?? where is that ?? europ
[02:45] <topyli> manusia: may i suggest that on #ubuntu you talk mainly about ubuntu
[02:45] <kameron> when i install AMD64 5.04, it installs fine, but when when i boot for the first time my grub is messed up, and i don't get a list of os's to boot to, i just get a command prompt. have you had this problem? i can't get around it. at the prompt, all the commands i type don't do anything. i just installed the x86 version, and it's working fine, i didn't have that problem. any ideas?
[02:46] <stizoner> your supposed 2 chat in #ubuntu-offtopic i guess, nobody yacks there though
[02:46] <tomaj> topyli make that only
[02:46] <barongas> HappyFool When I checked the output of dmesg the only thing regarding usb I could find was seomthing with coreusb finding some hub
[02:46] <Grat> manusia: yes it is in europe. i suggest we go talk private.... ok?
[02:46] <jkossen> kameron: humm...strange, i get the OS list just fine
[02:46] <topyli> tomaj: nooo! half my blabber would become illegal!
[02:46] <tomaj> topyli lol so its alright when you do it huh...
[02:46] <barongas> Happyfool: Registered new driver usbfs
[02:46] <tomaj> hehe
[02:46] <manusia> private chat .. ?? you female or male !
[02:47] <rephorm> tomaj: hmm. echo $DISPLAY from a term in X
[02:47] <jkossen> kameron: what does the command prompt look like?
[02:47] <Grat> male
[02:47] <Grat> but does it matter?
[02:47] <maxthon> hehehe
[02:47] <HappyFool> barongas: if you run 'dmesg|tail -f' you should see things change as they happen
[02:47] <kameron> jkossen, yeah, i've heard that from a lot of people. i'm running fairly well supported hardware, so i'm not sure what could be wrong. generic IDE stuff, DFI Lanparty mobo, AMD athlon 64 3200+..
[02:47] <kameron> i wrote it down, just a sec, let me find it jkossen
[02:47] <ubu> now i hear sound
[02:47] <manusia> grat .. you good guy ...
[02:47] <tomaj> maybe we should start a #ubuntu-personals chanel as well
[02:47] <rephorm> tomaj: and maybe try "xhost localhost" from a term in X and then rerun az from the console
[02:47] <HappyFool> barongas: alternatively, try 'lsusb' when the device is attached
[02:47] <Grat> ah
[02:47] <WasserDragoon> hi@all
[02:47] <tomaj> rephorm: :0.0
[02:47] <manusia> I wait your privat !!
[02:48] <Grat> ellow WasserDragoon
[02:48] <WasserDragoon> everyone speaks german?
[02:48] <Grat> nope
[02:48] <HappyFool> barongas: you can paste the output of that to the pastebin: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[02:48] <thoreauputic> tomaj: to encourage humanity towards others ? ;-)
[02:48] <giard> hmmm, I wonder if colony 3 got pulled... http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/breezy/colony-3/ doesn't work
[02:48] <Grat> everyone speaks german, but i know you nick means Water Dragon :>
[02:48] <WasserDragoon> no one?
[02:48] <manusia> why grat ...
[02:48] <barongas> Happyfool: It gave no output unfortunately
[02:48] <HappyFool> WasserDragoon: not many people; try maybe in #ubuntu-de
[02:48] <topyli> tomaj: yep, #ubuntu-offtopic is still too public :)
[02:48] <Grat> manusia?!?
[02:48] <HappyFool> barongas: none?
[02:48] <zenwhen> hi
[02:48] <barongas> Happyfool and the tail thing said it was a disallowed search
[02:48] <WasserDragoon> ok thanks@happyfool
[02:48] <rephorm> Grat: dragoon != dragon (Drache == Dragon) ;)
[02:48] <tomaj> rephorm: adding localhost didnt change
[02:48] <manusia> I think you talk to me ??
[02:48] <barongas> Happyfool lsusb gave nothing
[02:49] <tomaj> rephorm: same error
[02:49] <HappyFool> barongas: oops, my mistake
[02:49] <Grat> rephorm: sorry :>
[02:49] <HappyFool> barongas: tail -f /var/log/dmesg
[02:49] <WasserDragoon> yes dragoon != dragon
[02:49] <giard> nevermind, now it is
[02:49] <rephorm> tomaj: well, you'll have to figure out how to get az to run from outside of x, then use that cmd in your crontab :)
[02:49] <Grat> manusia: i sent you a msg. if you wish respond, if not do not respond :>
[02:49] <tomaj> rephorm: way over my head lol
[02:49] <rephorm> tomaj: sorry, i'm out of ideas :)
[02:49] <tomaj> should i restart x after adding localhost maybe?
[02:49] <maxthon> manusia: this is a technical assistance chat
[02:50] <manusia> thats why I say you are a good guy ...
[02:50] <rephorm> tomaj: no, the xhost cmd doesn't permanently change things. only for the current instance of x
[02:50] <HappyFool> barongas: anyway, lsusb should at least list something, even if nothing is plugged in (as far as i know)
[02:50] <tomaj> rephorm: i see
[02:50] <barongas> HappyFool It didn't even notice the usb, maybe I'll try another usb port or something if the one on my motherboard hasn't been found by ubuntu..
[02:50] <kameron> jkossen, hmm, i can't find it. it said something like "Grub version xx.xx.xx. Bash like commands work. Press tab for commands." but all commands don't do anything.
[02:51] <barongas> Happyfool, the trail thing is static when pluggin unplugging atm
[02:51] <ElohiteAngel> I tried to install a package a while back (brother hl5150d-lpr driver), it failed for some reason... But the package manager still show the package and everytime I try to install anything it first tries to remove the driver and when that failes (probably because there is no driver to uninstall), it wont continue. Is there anyway to tell it not to bother with the package?
[02:52] <HappyFool> barongas: hmm. sorry, i'm not sure what the problem is, but it does sound like your usb ports aren't being detected
[02:52] <tomaj> rephorm: thanx for all your help
[02:52] <rephorm> tomaj: np
[02:52] <rephorm> tomaj: can you do something (unrleated) for me real quick?
[02:52] <barongas> Happyfool: Yeah, I'm pretty sure I have some usb-card lying around somewhere. Maybe that'll do the trick. Thanks for your time.
[02:52] <HappyFool> barongas: you can maybe look at System -> Administration -> Device manager and see if anything USB related is listed there
[02:52] <HappyFool> barongas: ok, good luck
[02:52] <tomaj> rephorm: so once i figure out how to get it running from tty1 jut put that command in crontab?
[02:53] <rephorm> tomaj: yeah
[02:53] <ubu> the problem is when i play .avi file with xine , it says /mnt/wind/video/file.avi use an unsupported codec: Audio Codec:MPEG layer 2/3 (0x55) Start play back anyway ?
[02:53] <ubu> it saying that ...
[02:53] <ubu> do i need to install codes for xine ?
[02:53] <Fanskapet> hmm anyone know what 'chirico' is?
[02:53] <tomaj> rephorm: no way! what do you think im like techsupport or something?
[02:53] <ubu> could anyone help me please ?
[02:53] <ubu> i can play mp3 songs with xmms . it is ok
[02:53] <tomaj> rephorm: :P shoot
[02:53] <ubu> when i open .avi file with xine , i got this problem
[02:53] <ubu> manusia, would u please help me ?
[02:53] <tomaj> rephorm: how can i help you
[02:53] <ubu> the problem is when i play .avi file with xine , it says /mnt/wind/video/file.avi use an unsupported codec: Audio Codec:MPEG layer 2/3 (0x55) Start play back anyway ?
[02:53] <ubu> how to resolve that problem ?
[02:53] <ubu> thanks
[02:53] <Grat> ubu: manusia is no longer here
[02:53] <ubu> :(
[02:54] <rephorm> tomaj: :) run xkbwatch in x, then press left_alt + left_shift, then do it backwards (left_shift + left_alt -- shift first then alt while shift is down)
[02:54] <rephorm> tomaj: and tell me how many lights turn on in each case
[02:54] <tomaj> rephorm: lol one sec
[02:54] <ubu> Grat, would u please help me?
[02:54] <rephorm> tomaj: just the # of columns with lights really :)
[02:54] <ubu> the problem is when i play .avi file with xine , it says /mnt/wind/video/file.avi use an unsupported codec: Audio Codec:MPEG layer 2/3 (0x55) Start play back anyway ?
[02:54] <Grat> ubu: trying to google it. i saw whats the problem ;>
[02:55] <HappyFool> ubu: have you read this page? (see below)
[02:55] <HappyFool> !restricted
[02:55] <ubotu> hmm... restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:55] <tomaj> how to explain lol
[02:55] <Grat> thats what i was trying to find :>
[02:55] <tomaj> rephorm: how do i describe the light conveniently?
[02:56] <mohkohn> Having a small problem getting my webcam going. I have followed this thread http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=53755&highlight=logitech+webcam
[02:56] <tomaj> rephorm: the combinations light up the same lights
[02:56] <rephorm> tomaj: ok, thats enough info.
[02:56] <tomaj> ok
[02:56] <Grat> mohkohn and what the problem? :>
[02:56] <tomaj> rephorm: but in opposite order obviously
[02:57] <mohkohn> [00000235] v4l demuxer error: cannot open device (No such file or directory)
[02:57] <rephorm> tomaj: here (hoary - amd64) shift-alt only lights up the shift one :)
[02:57] <mgcross> checkinstall ROCKS
[02:57] <mgcross> :-)
[02:57] <mohkohn> [00000237] oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp)
[02:57] <mohkohn> Segmentation fault
[02:57] <tomaj> rephorm: lol thats weird so you can alt after pressing shift?
[02:57] <Grat> mohkohn: you sure the device is connected?
[02:57] <james> mohkohn: are you in the audio group
[02:57] <tomaj> maybe its keyboard?
[02:57] <Grat> btw: isnt Segmentation fault a really bad sign?
[02:58] <mgcross> made a .deb file for wallpapoz if anyone would like it....
[02:58] <rephorm> tomaj: nahh, its the xkb setup on here. (i can confirm with xev that the key is sending an event, it just doesn't set the proper modifier flags)
[02:58] <tomaj> rephorm: i have no idea what any of that meant, you lost me at xev hahaha
[02:58] <topyli> Grat: it's very bad for the process in question, yes :)
[02:58] <mohkohn> I am in audio. lsusb Bus 001 Device 004: ID 046d:0870 Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Express
[02:59] <rephorm> tomaj: messed up modmap :)
[02:59] <tomaj> rephorm: thanx for your help again, have a good night/day!
[02:59] <tomaj> rephorm: thats beyond me too lol
[02:59] <tomaj> night everyone
[02:59] <rephorm> tomaj: hehe. take care
[02:59] <tomaj> bye
[02:59] <Spear> have a good day !
[02:59] <tomaj> you too
[02:59] <Spear> bye
[02:59] <Spear> thanks
[02:59] <mohkohn> lsmod shows quickcam
[03:00] <larsrohdin> Hi, what is the best c++ editor and compiler in linux (ubuntu)?
[03:00] <ElohiteAngel> I tried to install a package a while back (brother hl5150d-lpr driver), it failed for some reason... But the package manager still show the package and everytime I try to install anything it first tries to remove the driver and when that failes (probably because there is no driver to uninstall), it wont continue. Is there anyway to tell it not to bother with the package?
[03:00] <ubu> HappyFool, .avi files are not allowed on ubuntu ?
[03:00] <wickedpuppy> larsrohdin, try ajunta and g++
[03:00] <mohkohn> ndiswrapper -l bcmwl5 driver present, hardware present
[03:01] <mohkohn> When I try vlc it just crashes
[03:01] <HappyFool> ubu: they are; however, in some countries some software is patented (e.g., mp3 in the US), and to avoid legal troubles ubuntu does not distribute this software on the CD
[03:01] <maxthon> ubu: did you install w32codecs?
[03:01] <larsrohdin> wickedpuppy, i cant find ajunta with apt-get isn't it there?
[03:02] <mjr> topyli, only?
[03:02] <manu_> cioa
[03:02] <HappyFool> ubu: if you read the restricted wiki page, you will find instructions on how to install the necessary software
[03:02] <manu_> i just upgrade to ubuntu
[03:02] <topyli> mjr: seems pretty cool: http://www.go-l.com/monitors/athens/features/index.htm
[03:02] <manu_> i have a plugin ptoblem for the sound
[03:02] <larsrohdin> isn't emacs an c++ editor?
[03:02] <manu_> can some one help me
[03:02] <HappyFool> emacs is an everything editor. it's also an irc client ;)
[03:02] <mjr> topyli, not bad, not bad
[03:03] <manu_> i can not read mp3
[03:03] <topyli> mjr: i wonder how much those cost
[03:03] <larsrohdin> HappyFool, ok, because i think thats what i used in widows... ill try it out
[03:03] <topyli> mjr: i might have to upgrade my matrox G550 card too :)
[03:03] <HappyFool> larsrohdin: welcome to the Light Side, my son
[03:03] <HappyFool> ;)
[03:04] <mohkohn> I am really stuck on this can't find anything relevant in google.
[03:04] <manu_> does some one knows the audio plug in for mp3?
[03:04] <HappyFool> manu_: read the restricted page on the wiki (see below)
[03:04] <HappyFool> !restricted
[03:04] <ubotu> well, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:04] <HappyFool> mohkohn: have you tried 'pkill esd' to make esd give up the sound card?
[03:04] <ElohiteAngel> Anyone know how to deal with my problem? Google didn't fins a solution.
[03:05] <ElohiteAngel> *find
[03:05] <HappyFool> ElohiteAngel: do you know the package name?
[03:05] <filip_> how can i connvert .avi to MPEG1 or MPEG2 ?
[03:06] <HappyFool> ElohiteAngel: and do know how to use a terminal and sudo?
[03:06] <larsrohdin> HappyFool, yeah thats what i've heard=)
[03:06] <mjr> filip_, eg. transcode
[03:06] <bread> hi
[03:06] <bread> hi?
[03:06] <HappyFool> ello bread
[03:07] <ElohiteAngel> HappyFool, yes(hl5150dlpr) and yes.
[03:07] <filip_> mjr: what :S?
[03:07] <bread> yes
[03:07] <bread> i cannot speak korean
[03:07] <sits> hello
[03:07] <mjr> filip_, it was an answer
[03:07] <filip_> mjr: that i understand but what should i do?
[03:07] <bread> becuz, error
[03:07] <bread> help me
[03:07] <HappyFool> ElohiteAngel: ok, try 'sudo dpkg --purge hl5150dlpr' -- if there are errors, put them on the pastebin
[03:07] <bread> i hope to say korean
[03:08] <zenwhen> i can do that
[03:08] <zenwhen> korean
[03:08] <sits> I would like to report some minor faults in the breezy live cd and I'm too lazy to sign up for a bugzilla account. Where is the next best place to report the faults?
[03:08] <mjr> filip_, apt-get it (might've been in multiverse), then read the docs (I don't know how to use it)
[03:08] <gabriel> hi when i hibernate i resume immediately. can i fix it?
[03:08] <bread> i'm beginner
[03:08] <filip_> mjr: okej i will try it.
[03:08] <bread> anybody, help me
[03:08] <sits> gabriel: check dmesg
[03:08] <ElohiteAngel> (Reading database ... 74542 files and directories currently installed.)
[03:08] <ElohiteAngel> Removing hl5150dlpr ...
[03:08] <ElohiteAngel> /var/lib/dpkg/info/hl5150dlpr.postrm: line 3: /etc/init.d/lpd: No such file or directory
[03:08] <ElohiteAngel> dpkg: error processing hl5150dlpr (--purge):
[03:08] <ElohiteAngel> subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 127
[03:08] <ElohiteAngel> Errors were encountered while processing:
[03:08] <ElohiteAngel> hl5150dlpr
[03:08] <sits> gabriel: you might have a device that doesn't suspend properly
[03:08] <HappyFool> ElohiteAngel: i said 'pastebin'
[03:09] <filip_> mjr: dont find the package
[03:09] <rolo> Anybody knows where to get Skype?
[03:09] <rolo> or some Skype client?
[03:09] <rolo> for ubuntu
[03:09] <HappyFool> !skype
[03:09] <ubotu> I guess skype is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/, or deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
[03:09] <EasterSunshine> rolo: its in the repos
[03:09] <HappyFool> ElohiteAngel: you uninstalled this before?
[03:10] <bread> so...sorry...bye ^^
[03:10] <Angrod> is there any Ventrilo clients for Linux?
[03:10] <gabriel> sits i get this answer repeated many times VFS: busy inodes on changed media.
[03:11] <ElohiteAngel> HappyFool, Sorry, you got it anyway? And yes, I tried to uninstall it...
[03:11] <gabriel> sits: i get this answer repeated many times VFS: busy inodes on changed media.
[03:11] <xst> I have just made a HD install. On the live CD it finely recognized my USB memory stick and showed it in the "My Machine" window. But in the HD install the USB device is not automatically mounted. What to do?
[03:11] <sits> gabriel: Hmm
[03:12] <ElohiteAngel> http://pastebin.com/342223
[03:12] <filip_> how can i get multiverse
[03:12] <sits> gabriel: I can't say I know why that would be but I think you get that sort of error when you try to unmount a disk still in use
[03:12] <troy14> hello
[03:12] <HappyFool> ElohiteAngel: hmm. according to 'man dpkg', the postrm script is the last thing to be run
[03:12] <troy14> i have an issue with video i could use some help with
[03:12] <h08817> problem here with gnome
[03:12] <gabriel> ill try unmounting all disks
[03:12] <sits> gabriel: could be something is trying to use the hard disk when you try to hibernate and consequently the hibernation process fails
[03:12] <gabriel> sits: ill try unmounting all disks
[03:13] <sits> gabriel: woah
[03:13] <h08817> i don't have 4 desktops anymore
[03:13] <h08817> and i can't click view desktop
[03:13] <sits> gabriel: that shouldn't strictly be necessary
[03:13] <sits> gabriel: but as I said I don't *actually* know why you would be getting that error
[03:13] <troy14> can anyone help me with a distorted video issue?
[03:14] <sits> gabriel: (and if that disk were / then you may have trouble unmounting it)
[03:14] <mohkohn> Got the webcam working. I think I must be blond today! Or grey with oldtimers disease.
[03:14] <HappyFool> ElohiteAngel: hmm. this may be a bit hacky, but maybe you could edit /var/lib/dpkg/status, and remove the package entry there (or just change its status)
[03:14] <gabriel> sits: ill try unmounting all disks just to make sure
[03:14] <mohkohn> /dev/video0 instead of /dev/video
[03:14] <filip_> how can i get multiverse ?
[03:14] <sits> gabriel: before you do
[03:14] <stizoner> god forbid u could actually right click and mount a drive
[03:15] <HappyFool> ElohiteAngel: if you want to try this, first make a backup of that file, and then we can give it a go
[03:15] <troy14> ok, but I need to know how to get ubuntu to boot to a prompt instead of gui
[03:15] <sits> gabriel: you may want to do a dmesg -c to clear dmesg out and then do another suspend
[03:15] <tanxarobi> hi! Is here anybody professional in sound settings? I appreciate any kind of help!
[03:15] <gabriel> sits: ok
[03:15] <sits> gabriel: that way you know the messages you see are related to the suspend and not something else
[03:15] <sits> gabriel: (e.g. removing a usb key)
[03:15] <filip_> is it someone that know how i get the damn multiverse ?
[03:16] <HappyFool> filip_: read the pages below
[03:16] <HappyFool> !repos
[03:16] <ubotu> from memory, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[03:16] <roham_> Hi, I want to adjust my touchpad more... tried to install ksynaptics, but it didnt work it want KDE... anyone knows what I should dp?
[03:16] <filip_> HappyFool: thanx
[03:16] <ElohiteAngel> HappyFool, it says the package status is "purge ok half-installed"
[03:16] <OwnageLinux> are there any good games for ubuntu?
[03:17] <HappyFool> ElohiteAngel: my idea is to change it to purge ok not-installed
[03:17] <gabriel> sits: very strange. when i give the dmesg -c command the message VFS: busy inodes on changed media. comes out 12 times. not as before 100 or so but only 12
[03:17] <sits> OwnageLinux: what sort of games?
[03:17] <HappyFool> ElohiteAngel: after you've backed the file up! ;)
[03:17] <mohkohn> Ubuntu is great. I have my sound, webcam, wireless card, Kodak Dx3500 Digicam and thanks to ubuntuguide can listen to mp3's
[03:17] <OwnageLinux> sits: i dunno.... like fun games
[03:17] <mohkohn> Everything works.
[03:17] <sits> OwnageLinux: as in commercial FPS games or something else?
[03:17] <gabriel> sits: i have ho usb keys attached
[03:17] <mohkohn> On a laptop
[03:17] <sits> OwnageLinux: give me an example of what you like
[03:17] <OwnageLinux> sits: ummm i like the windows game infantry.
[03:17] <sits> gabriel: and you haven't plugged and removed any recently
[03:18] <ElohiteAngel> HappyFool, done. Should I just try to install something or do I need to restart some process first?
[03:18] <sits> OwnageLinux: hmm I've never played that but it sounds like a strategy game
[03:18] <HappyFool> ElohiteAngel: well, try 'dpkg -s ubuntu-desktop'
[03:18] <gabriel> sits: a few days ago... maybe i need a reboot
[03:18] <HappyFool> ElohiteAngel: err, 'dpkg -s <yourbrokenpackage', rather
[03:18] <tanxarobi> I can't record sound and can't hear TV. TV sound sorks from TV card but not from sound card line in however they are linked. I tried tried everything in alsamixer but in vain. Can anybody help me?
[03:18] <larsrohdin> so im pretty new to c++ programming, but what does 'Compilation exited abnormally with code 2 mean'? it also says 'no makefile found', so im guessing ive just missed something, but this is the first time i program in linux... help?
[03:19] <ElohiteAngel> HappyFool, it says "Package `hl5151dlpr' is not installed and no info is available." That's a good thing, right?
[03:19] <gabriel> sits: i'll give it a reboot and try it again
[03:19] <larsrohdin> in emacs that is
[03:20] <HappyFool> ElohiteAngel: hmm. i'm not sure -- let me check
[03:20] <sits> OwnageLinux: as in Battlefield 1942 Infantry?
[03:20] <OwnageLinux> sits: no
[03:20] <OwnageLinux> sits: its made by harmless games... then purchased by sony..
[03:20] <OwnageLinux> sits: but there is a free version at kickme.to/infinity-zone
[03:20] <HappyFool> ElohiteAngel: no, i'd expect to see some info about the package
[03:21] <sits> OwnageLinux: ah
[03:21] <xst> Does anyone know why Ubuntu doesn't automatically mount my USB memory stick and shows it in the "Computer" window? -I can see in /var/log/syslog that the device is correctly beeing identified as /dev/sda1. What to do?
[03:21] <HappyFool> ElohiteAngel: e.g., i get exactly the same message for that package name, but i've never installed it (i'm sure my system knows nothing about hl5151dlpr)
[03:21] <HappyFool> ElohiteAngel: anyway, might be ok
[03:21] <token> hi everyone. could someone pls tell me how to apply j2sdk to mozilla firefox?
[03:21] <OwnageLinux> sits: lol
[03:21] <sits> OwnageLinux: well looking at that screenshot it looks like a realtime strategy game
[03:21] <ElohiteAngel> HappyFool, it also says "Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files,
[03:21] <ElohiteAngel> and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents."
[03:21] <tuskernini> wierd, my usb gets picked up fine... not tne cam though
[03:22] <barongas> Ehmm, is there some kind of package I need to install in order to play mp3-files? All the players I've tried freeze or complain they want modules
[03:22] <HappyFool> ElohiteAngel: yeah, that's not important -- i think that's for looking inside .deb files
[03:22] <OwnageLinux> sits: I would play it right now if i had cedega :\
[03:22] <sits> OwnageLinux: I am not aware of any popular that looks that polished on Linux (but that doesn't mean something doesn't exist). There are turn based ones out there but it doesn't sound like that's what you're looking for
[03:22] <HappyFool> ElohiteAngel: however, it seems dpkg can't find the hlwutsit package in /var/lib/dpkg/status, which is a bit weird
[03:22] <token> could someone tell me how to apply java to mozilla firefox?
[03:23] <larsrohdin> HappyFool, can you help me get started with emacs?
[03:23] <barongas> token I think you can download some compilable jre thing from suns site..
[03:23] <HappyFool> larsrohdin: give me a few minutes
[03:23] <larsrohdin> HappyFool, sure
[03:23] <reiki> token: did you istall the java package?
[03:23] <hardw1re> anyone got a quickcam messenger running on an x86_64 system?
[03:23] <thoreauputic> !java
[03:23] <ubotu> hmm... java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[03:23] <OwnageLinux> sits: where do i get a compiled cedega?
[03:23] <ElohiteAngel> HappyFool, yeah, I figured it was just some extra. / Shoudn't that just be like never having installed it in the first place?
[03:23] <sits> OwnageLinux: http://www.happypenguin.org/ is a big list
[03:23] <sits> OwnageLinux: you pay for it
[03:23] <Spug> how can i check what graphics card i'm using? what's the name of the hardware listing tool, if there is one?
[03:24] <sits> OwnageLinux: (honestly that's the easiest way to get it)
[03:24] <token> reiki: downloaded sun-j2sdk1.5
[03:24] <barongas> Spug Try the device manager in gnome
[03:24] <HappyFool> ElohiteAngel: not exactly -- dpkg should still know about it, because it's still listed in the 'status' file
[03:24] <OwnageLinux> sits: i don't wanna pay for it :-\
[03:24] <Spug> barongas: i'm in flux right now, though :/ what's it called?
[03:24] <sits> OwnageLinux: Fair enough. I'm out of bright ideas there.
[03:24] <OwnageLinux> sits: lol
[03:24] <reiki> token: ok... after I did that I simply closed out of all instances of FireFox and restarted it. Then it was installed. :)
[03:24] <barongas> Spug: System -> Administration -> Device manager
[03:25] <token> reiki: doesnt work for me
[03:25] <HappyFool> ElohiteAngel: this is fairly important; if that file is broken, your system could get confused
[03:25] <Spug> barongas: no, see, i don't have the system menu
[03:25] <Spug> i'm in fluxbox
[03:25] <sits> gabriel: generally speaking, rebooting rarely makes problems go away on linux
[03:25] <token> reiki: but i should get it out on wiki.ubuntu thx for trying to help :)
[03:25] <barongas> Spug Ooooh
[03:25] <ElohiteAngel> HappyFool, so what can I do?
[03:26] <HappyFool> ElohiteAngel: did you make a backup?
[03:26] <phantom_> hi people
[03:26] <HappyFool> ElohiteAngel: of 'status', i mean
[03:26] <Ummmmm> roflmao did you say 'backup' ?? tee hee hee
[03:26] <phantom_> anyone here has sound problems with Audigy 2ZS in Ubuntu?
[03:26] <phantom_> i jsut installed it.. the sound card is detected, but no sound
[03:27] <sits> no takers on my "where do I report minor bugs other than bugzilla" question?
[03:27] <gabriel> sits: well i gave it a reboot and now dmesg gives me all info of startup. did dmesg -c and finally cleaned list
[03:27] <token> reiki: now i see the problem not j2sdk but j2re -> bug
[03:27] <token> :)
[03:27] <gabriel> sits: now i go back trying hibernation
[03:27] <sits> gabriel: ok
[03:27] <reiki> token: ta-da! :)
[03:27] <ElohiteAngel> HappyFool, of course.
[03:28] <phantom_> can anyone help resolve my sound probelm? I have no sound
[03:28] <DrTiger> Hey, I cannot contact archive.ubuntulinux.org
[03:28] <Ummmmm> get an ipod?
[03:28] <sits> phantom_: not uncommon alas
[03:28] <sits> phantom_: I know it's obvious but did you check the volume(s)?
[03:28] <DrTiger> thus I can't download any restricted packages anymore
[03:28] <phantom_> yes
[03:28] <DrTiger> though it worked when I connected a few days before
[03:28] <sits> phantom_: how are you trying to play sound?
[03:28] <BiSK-8> hello
[03:28] <BiSK-8> in what folder is "totem"?
[03:29] <HappyFool> ElohiteAngel: ok, i think restore that file from backup, and try the 'dpkg -s hlwutsit' command again -- if it gives the same 'i don't know message', then i guess nothing's changed. If it doesn't, then try re-editing the status file, but be careful not to introduce extra characters/spaces etc
[03:29] <thoreauputic> Spug: you could type " lspci -v | less "
[03:29] <barongas> Anyone have any ideas why no mediaplyer wants to play mp3? My soundcard gives off sound perfectly.
[03:29] <phantom_> well no welcome sound comes up.. and does not play sound from audio cd
[03:29] <sits> BiSK-8: whereis totem
[03:29] <sits> phantom_: steady on
[03:29] <DrTiger> can anybody help me?
[03:29] <sits> phantom_: you've got potentially two different problems there
[03:29] <sits> phantom_: has sound ever worked?
[03:29] <phantom_> no
[03:29] <thoreauputic> !mp3
[03:29] <ubotu> mp3 is, like, read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[03:30] <sits> phantom_: what does "lspci | grep audio" say?
[03:30] <BiSK-8> sits, usually the exacutabels are in what folder?
[03:30] <hobbit__> is it possible to reinstall gnome?
[03:30] <DrTiger> hey, is archive.ubuntu.com accessible for you guys?
[03:30] <sits> BiSK-8: depends on the executable and whether it is needed for system boot
[03:30] <Z0l> hi
[03:30] <BiSK-8> ok
[03:30] <sits> BiSK-8: however the whereis command looks in all the common places
[03:30] <BiSK-8> tks
[03:30] <DrTiger> apt can download most package info files to my computer but not from archive.ubuntu.org
[03:30] <Xenguy> DrTiger: yes
[03:30] <ronin> hy all
[03:31] <gabriel> sits: i got between many lines a fatal one here it is: swsusp: FATAL: cannot find swap device, try swapon -a!
[03:31] <hobbit__> my gnome is acting up and if i minimize something it is gone
[03:31] <thoreauputic> hobbit_: sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop <--- more or less gnome
[03:31] <sits> gabriel: ah there you go
[03:31] <sits> gabriel: no swap - no suspend :)
[03:31] <hobbit__> ok
[03:31] <hobbit__> thanks
[03:31] <Xenguy> DrTiger: (I can browse there; I didn't try apt-get)
[03:31] <thoreauputic> hobbit_: that probably won't help
[03:31] <DrTiger> I can't browse it -.-
[03:31] <thoreauputic> hobbit_: reinstalling won't change the configuration
[03:31] <DrTiger> it's strange
[03:32] <ronin> does anyone know how i can mount a ntfs-partition in ubuntu? the /mnt folder appears to be empty
[03:32] <james> ronin: you have to mkdir first
[03:32] <hobbit__> what is the command to restart gnome without restarting ur computer?
[03:32] <DrTiger> well maybe my windows system can connect...
[03:32] <gabriel> sits: that easy... but i did put under sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst the path of the swap. where did i get it wrong?
[03:32] <thoreauputic> hobbit_: if your task bar has disappeared you just need to add it
[03:32] <vtsangwon> hobbit: killall gnome-panel
[03:32] <ElohiteAngel> HappyFool, http://pastebin.com/342234
[03:32] <Spug> thoreauputic: thanks, that did the trick :)
[03:32] <hobbit__> ahh ok
[03:33] <ronin> james: i'm quite new in linux... so i've got just to make a folder named "ntfs"?
[03:33] <sits> gabriel: do you have any swap on at the moment?
[03:33] <james> ronin: mount /dev/hda3 /mnt/ntfs -t ntfs ???
[03:33] <reiki> is there a proper way (without disturbing teh channel) to have the bot check on the availability of a program? For example... I want to see if POPFile is packaged...
[03:33] <thoreauputic> hobbit_: right click the panel, try the applet list
[03:33] <HappyFool> ElohiteAngel: weird
[03:33] <hobbit__> thoreauputic, ?
[03:33] <gabriel> sits: if i give a print under parted on hda i see swap partition hda6
[03:33] <HappyFool> ElohiteAngel: isn't it hl5150dlpr ?
[03:34] <thoreauputic> hobbit_: you can't see minimised apps, right?
[03:34] <Z0l> can i migrate to breezy only by changing my sources.list and doing a dist-upgrade? i'm using sid atm
[03:34] <hobbit__> thoreauputic, i just reinstalled the desktop and i don't have my 4 desktops and my programs i have open aren't listed on the toolbar
[03:34] <sn0n> http://sn0nsb0x.info/~rob/stats.php
[03:34] <sn0n> w00t w00t
[03:34] <gabriel> sits: that's why i put under menu.lst resume=/dev/hda6
[03:34] <thoreauputic> hobbit_: as I said , you can add those to the toolbar/panel from the right-click list
[03:35] <sits> gabriel: but does /etc/fstab refer to any swap partitions
[03:35] <sits> gabriel: the stuff you are editing refers to partitions to use when resuming
[03:35] <topyli> sn0n: w00t indeed =)
[03:35] <sn0n> hehe
[03:35] <sits> gabriel: ok here's an easy one
[03:35] <sn0n> i said forget using that system
[03:35] <sits> gabriel: what does the last line of free say?
[03:35] <sn0n> ima start my own
[03:35] <sn0n> lol
[03:36] <sn0n> for my own personal use
[03:36] <sn0n> hehe
[03:36] <ElohiteAngel> HappyFool, right! My bad! (D'oh!). It says http://pastebin.com/342237
[03:36] <hobbit__> thoreauputic, ok i got it almost back to normal but how do i get my currently opnen programs to show up? in the bar?
[03:37] <HappyFool> ElohiteAngel: ok, now try doing that edit again (half-installed -> not-installed) and do the "dpkg -s hl5150dlpr" again
[03:37] <thoreauputic> hobbit_: hmm - I'm in fluxbox, but I think "window list" is what you want
[03:37] <topyli> sn0n: make it display all this script does: http://siltala.net/comp/system-info.sh :)
[03:38] <hobbit__> how do i do that?
[03:38] <ElohiteAngel> HappyFool, Done. It says http://pastebin.com/342239
[03:38] <sn0n> sure
[03:38] <sn0n> :-D
[03:38] <thoreauputic> hobbit_: the "system tray" thing is called "notification area" BTW
[03:38] <ronin> james: i made a folder "/mnt/ntfs" and then executed the mount-order.. but it still doesn't work. it says mounting point /mnt/ntfs doesn't exist
[03:38] <hobbit__> ok thanks for that information
[03:38] <gabriel> sits: /etc/fstab has /dev/hda7 mountpoint:none type:swap options:sw but from parted i get my swap partition on hda6. what is the lasta line of free?
[03:38] <sn0n> topyli, all that page says is
[03:38] <sn0n> m1
[03:38] <sn0n> lol
[03:38] <Sly> hey, what ssh packages do i have available
[03:38] <sn0n> and m2
[03:38] <sits> gabriel: do free
[03:38] <hobbit__> how do i run windows list?
[03:38] <topyli> sn0n: i just noticed. debugging... :)
[03:38] <sn0n> lol
[03:38] <HappyFool> ElohiteAngel: ok, so far so good. Now test if synaptic or apt-get complain about installing packages
[03:38] <sits> gabriel: and what does the line that starts Swap: say?
[03:39] <thoreauputic> Sly: openssh-server
[03:39] <hobbit__> o i found it
[03:39] <gabriel> sits: 0 0 0
[03:39] <hobbit__> but thats the wrong one
[03:39] <hobbit__> no thats right
[03:39] <HappyFool> ElohiteAngel: according to 'man dpkg', all the files *should* be removed, but i'm not sure what effect not running the post-remove scripts will have
[03:39] <Sly> thanks you :)
[03:39] <hobbit__> thoreauputic, thanks all is well now
[03:39] <HappyFool> ElohiteAngel: just bear this in mind if you have problems in the future
[03:39] <thoreauputic> hobbit_: you're welcome :)
[03:39] <topyli> sn0n: simple typo! http://siltala.net/comp/system-info-sh :)
[03:39] <gabriel> sits: I have ho swap mounted then i guess
[03:40] <h08817> anyone know of a good place to start learning C++ and a good compiler?
[03:40] <sn0n> lemme runit
[03:40] <sn0n> 1sec
[03:40] <ronin> h08817: test dev-cpp, but i dont know if its available for linux:(
[03:41] <ElohiteAngel> HappyFool, Well it can't be that bas considering that the package was never really installed. And I will.
[03:41] <h08817> o
[03:41] <ElohiteAngel> HappyFool, It worked! Thanks!!
[03:41] <sn0n> that shows alot of useless things
[03:41] <sn0n> i like it
[03:41] <sn0n> lol
[03:41] <HappyFool> ElohiteAngel: cool :-)
[03:41] <resmo> hi
[03:41] <topyli> sn0n: the kernel config info might be a bit overkill though :)
[03:41] <h08817> how do i get the linux compiler to work?
[03:41] <thoreauputic> h08817: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[03:42] <h08817> like execute it
[03:42] <h08817> i opened synaptic and installed it
[03:42] <sn0n> ok
[03:42] <sn0n> its bed time now
[03:42] <ElohiteAngel> HappyFool, Thanks again! Finally I can install something...!
[03:42] <sn0n> gf's gonna be waking up soon
[03:42] <topyli> sn0n: also, i think i had to personalize it for my username, so
[03:42] <topyli> night
[03:43] <ronin> h08817: http://ladedu.com/cpp/ i started cpp here...
[03:43] <h08817> thoreauputic, so build-essential is a ?
[03:43] <h08817> ok thanks ronin
[03:43] <sits> gabriel: mmm
[03:43] <GNULinuxer> h08817: it's a meta-package ...
[03:43] <h08817> thoreauputic, o ok a compiler
[03:43] <resmo> i updated the kernel using the ubuntu-update tool, but uname -a says that i use 2.6.10-5, is that normal?
[03:43] <thoreauputic> h08817: it has gcc , g++ etc - it's a metapackage for compiling
[03:43] <ronin> h08817: i forgot its in german:( sorry man...
[03:44] <HappyFool> h08817: also maybe look here for C++ intro: http://ibiblio.org/obp/thinkCS/cpp.php
[03:44] <h08817> well can't do that maybe i can get google to translate it for me
[03:44] <HappyFool> h08817: i think some of bruce eckel's books (thinking in c++) might be available for download too
[03:45] <ronin> do i have to download something to mount a ntfs-partition?
[03:45] <gabriel> sits: should i just get the swap partition mounted like an hard disk?
[03:45] <sits> gabriel: basically I think your fstab is looking at the wrong partition for swap
[03:45] <sits> gabriel: but it would take about three commands to verify this
[03:46] <tombs> hi ppl
[03:46] <gabriel> sits: on partition hda7 i have a small booting partition of acronis
[03:46] <sits> gabriel: fdisk -l | grep swap
[03:47] <sits> gabriel: what does that say?
[03:47] <gabriel> sits: for backing up purpuses on wxp
[03:47] <h08817> thoreauputic, so how would i use this compiler? open gedit and enter all the code then go back to the prompt and do a gcc filename?
[03:47] <gabriel> sits: no answer... it run smoothley
[03:48] <sits> gabriel: sounds like you have no swap partition to mount
[03:48] <vader1102> bob2, thanx to everyone in here, I have been hired as a network admin running Ubuntu on their workstations and a bunch of other stuff for their servers, first real job in 3 years..........thank you everyone
[03:48] <thoreauputic> h08817: I'm not a programmer, sorry - I use gcc to compile source with ./configure etc... I think you can call the compiler with "cc"
[03:48] <sits> gabriel: unfortunately fixing that is a mildly involved process with major consequences if you get it wrong
[03:49] <sits> gabriel: I just don't have the time to talk you through fixing something like that...
[03:49] <h08817> never mind i found some good info
[03:49] <kemik> gcc -o outputfile source.c
[03:49] <gabriel> sits: no problem. at least i know where to look now. i could not figure out myself i didn't have a swap partition
[03:50] <sits> gabriel: ok. sorry you didn't get a final solution
[03:51] <ompaul> h08817, g++ -o foo hello.cpp
[03:51] <EasterSunshine> trying to unmount a smbfs, i get umount: /home/silvertear/Silvertear.Phazon: device is busy <--what processes can be locking it up?
[03:51] <ompaul> h08817, if you want to do c++
[03:51] <ubu> is there any suitable player to play *.avi,*.mp3,*.DAT,*.mpeg,*.wma on ubuntu ?
[03:51] <Angrod> why do i get this error when i try to recive a fil in X-chat: DCC RECV: Cannot open /home/bateau/Desktop/lol_itachi_aeger_kisame.jpg for writing
[03:51] <Angrod> i am logged inn as the right user :x
[03:51] <gabriel> sits: i got a good solution. a good start to get to a solution. thanks a lot! :)
[03:51] <ubu> i used MPlayer , but when i open mplayer , it is playing with full screen mode and i couldnt return to my desktop
[03:52] <vader1102> Easter have you tried mount -t?
[03:52] <ronin> by the way... anybody knows a good visual cpp tutorial?
[03:52] <[PG] _Sinnlos> lirc bring to run knows anywhere ??
[03:52] <EasterSunshine> vader1102: i mounted it with -t smbfs, now i am trying to UNmount it
[03:52] <hmrocha> ronin, use monodevelop
[03:52] <ompaul> s/panet/planet
[03:52] <vader1102> woops sorry Easter ;-)
[03:52] <ubu> any idea ?
[03:52] <kemik> EasterSunshine: not sure if you can use FUSER to see which pid is using the devic.e.. worth a try
[03:53] <hmrocha> ronin, and try gtk instead of MFC
[03:53] <[PG] _Sinnlos> lirc bring to run knows anywhere ??
[03:53] <EasterSunshine> vader1102: its ok
[03:53] <EasterSunshine> kemik: thx
[03:53] <ronin> hmrocha: whats that? and mfc?
[03:53] <ubu> which player r u using to play .dat,.wav,.wma,.mpeg..avi ?
[03:53] <hmrocha> ronin, MFC is the graphics library you use when you're coding visual apps with C++ in windows
[03:53] <kemik> ubu: VLC and rhythmbox
[03:53] <EasterSunshine> hmm...fuser locks up
[03:54] <ompaul> ubu try ctrl+c
[03:54] <hmrocha> ronin, Gtk is used to code visual apps for gnome
[03:54] <ubu> kemik, VLC player ?
[03:54] <hmrocha> ronin, MFC only runs on windows, Gtk runs in windows and linux
[03:54] <kemik> !vlc
[03:54] <ronin> hmrocha: i'd like to programm for linux & windows...
[03:54] <ubotu> it has been said that vlc is a media player with native support for a large handfull of popular formats and excellent streaming support
[03:54] <[PG] _Sinnlos> lirc bring to run knows anywhere ??
[03:54] <hmrocha> ronin, good
[03:54] <ubu> ompaul, why ctrl+c ?
[03:54] <ronin> hmrocha: where can i get monodevelop?
[03:55] <kemik> ubotu forget vlc
[03:55] <hmrocha> ronin, you should use C# instead of C++
[03:55] <ubotu> kemik: i forgot vlc
[03:55] <hmrocha> ronin, download mono and monodevelop
[03:55] <ompaul> ubu you asked to stop mplayer
[03:55] <hmrocha> ronin, you won't regret it
[03:55] <ronin> hmrocha: c# is just for windows, isnt it?
[03:55] <ubu> kemik, now i'm installing vlc
[03:55] <ompaul> ubu it may help
[03:55] <hmrocha> ronin, no, it's for linux too
[03:55] <ubu> ompaul, ctrl+c didnt help me :)
[03:55] <ubu> ctrl+d
[03:55] <kemik> ubotu vlc is it has been said that vlc is a media player with native support for a large handfull of popular formats and excellent streaming support, it's available in the repositories
[03:55] <ubotu> kemik: okay
[03:56] <ubu> also
[03:56] <ronin> hmrocha: cool, where can i get mono-develop? or have i to google?
[03:56] <ompaul> ubu ctrl z to throw it into the background
[03:56] <kemik> oh damn.. did i fuckup with ubotu ?
[03:56] <kemik> !vlc
[03:56] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, vlc is it has been said that vlc is a media player with native support for a large handfull of popular formats and excellent streaming support, it's available in the repositories
[03:56] <hmrocha> ronin, www.go-mono.com
[03:56] <spike> hi there
[03:56] <hmrocha> ronin, start with that site
[03:56] <kemik> hmm.. well well
[03:56] <spike> Seveas: hi, you there?
[03:57] <ubu> ompaul, i tried with alt+crtl+f1 and tried alt+ctrl+f7 :D
[03:57] <ronin> hmrocha: thx
[03:57] <spike> Seveas: I never received any email about that loop-aes bug u said u reported... and actually can't find it on bugzilla
[03:57] <ubu> i dont kow why mplayer doesnt want to return to my desktop
[03:57] <hmrocha> ronin, are you using linux or windows now?
[03:57] <ompaul> hehe
[03:57] <cfq> hi everyone
[03:58] <spike> mmmh, gooooood
[03:58] <thoreauputic> ubu: try hitting "f"
[03:58] <cfq> i've got a toshiba laptop and i can't get any battery status
[03:58] <ronin> hmrocha: now at this moment i'm using ubuntu... but i've got wxp on this pc too
[03:58] <kemik> hmrocha: why use C# instead of C++ ?
[03:58] <spike> ompaul: how's you man?
[03:58] <cfq> apm says there's no apm support in the kernel
[03:58] <cfq> and acpi doesn't work
[03:58] <ompaul> spike take it private :)
[03:58] <hmrocha> kemik, C# has garbage collection for example
[03:58] <kemik> hmrocha: may aswell use Java then
[03:58] <[PG] _Sinnlos> lirc bring to run knows anywhere ??
[03:58] <hmrocha> kemik, C++ is not managed
[03:59] <hmrocha> kemik, Java is evil
[03:59] <kemik> and C# is not ? :)
[03:59] <ronin> kemik: java is quite slow... i'm going to learn java by tomorrow...
[03:59] <hmrocha> kemik, Sun Microsystems has some strange licenses
[03:59] <hmrocha> kemik, C# specification is open
[03:59] <ronin> hmrocha: just what i think;)
[03:59] <thoreauputic> [PG] _Sinnlos: your question doesn't make much sense, but i think you want to know how to install and run lirc - why not use gaim (installed by default)
[04:00] <hmrocha> ronin, java is not slow
[04:00] <cfq> hmrocha: java spects are also open
[04:00] <lui> hello people
[04:00] <cfq> s/spects/specs
[04:00] <hmrocha> cfq, really? i didn't know that
[04:01] <lui> anybody can tell me which is the command to check the root filesystem?
[04:01] <hmrocha> cfq, but anyway, the compiler can't be redistributed
[04:01] <[PG] _Sinnlos> well i have a problem with the lirc-module-source shit :( i don't know what i should do with this
[04:01] <Pogopuschel-> hmrocha: are you using mono?
[04:01] <hmrocha> Pogopuschel-, yes
[04:01] <thoreauputic> [PG] _Sinnlos: ah sorry - wrong package (I thought you meant licq)
[04:01] <ronin> hmrocha: already tried to do a network application? i've heard a lot of things ;) but i think it's greatest fault is java isnt standalone... you need the java server
[04:01] <Pogopuschel-> hmrocha: Are there sitll things it doesn't support?
[04:02] <hmrocha> ronin, i use Azureus, and it a lot times faster than the bittorrent app for gnome, which is coded in C
[04:02] <cfq> hmrocha: there is also a free compiler i guess. the fastjavac.
[04:02] <hmrocha> cfq, it suports java 5?
[04:02] <[PG] _Sinnlos> thoreauputic: right lirc or lirc-modules-source
[04:02] <cfq> hmrocha: it is used by netbeans, and since netbeans is open source...
[04:02] <hmrocha> Pogopuschel-, i don't know, i'm coding an app that doesn't need a GUI
[04:02] <lui> anybody can tell me which is the command to check the root filesystem?
[04:02] <hmrocha> lui, fsck
[04:02] <cfq> hmrocha: it should. netbeans uses it.
[04:03] <hmrocha> cfq, cool, i like netbeans a lot
[04:03] <cfq> i have problems with my acpi support. can anyone help me?
[04:03] <Pogopuschel-> hmrocha: Oh ok, I'm using .NET for a long time now, just wondering, haven't had any experience with .NET apps under linux yet
[04:03] <thoreauputic> [PG] _Sinnlos: don't know, sorry
[04:03] <ronin> hmrocha: i use azureus too,.. but even its just downloading 20kbs i almost cant use the internet its so slow! (ive got a 160kbs wire)
[04:03] <hmrocha> Pogopuschel-, i don't use windows at home
[04:03] <[PG] _Sinnlos> knoiw anywhere what over lirc ??
[04:03] <hmrocha> Pogopuschel-, never used .net
[04:03] <kallesoe> Hi
[04:03] <gabriel> sits: i guess is not as simple as changing in fstab hda7 with hda6 isn't it?
[04:03] <lui> hmrocha: thank you. :)
[04:04] <hmrocha> ronin, i use azureus and i think it's really fast
[04:04] <kallesoe> any one who can help me with installing nvidia audio driver on a nforce board?
[04:04] <sits> gabriel: no
[04:04] <ronin> hmrocha: maybe it's just my pc... ;)
[04:04] <hmrocha> ronin, a language is not slow, the compiler implementation might be more or less good
[04:04] <sits> gabriel: from what you told me your partition table basically says none of your partitions are swap partitions
[04:04] <gabriel> sits: ok ill look for tutorials on the web
[04:05] <hmrocha> hmrocha, if you use gcj, it's far more slow than sun's compiler
[04:05] <ronin> hmrocha: could be, i dont know... already! in a week or so i'll know more
[04:05] <lfalvarez> sits: Have you ever used bind ?
[04:05] <sits> lfalvarez: yes
[04:05] <hmrocha> ronin, i use java at school too :)
[04:05] <hmrocha> ronin, i think you'll love java, it's one of the best languages i know
[04:05] <gabriel> sits: fstab reported /dev/hda6 none swap sw
[04:06] <ronin> hmrocha: are you student?
[04:06] <hmrocha> ronin, computer science student
[04:06] <gabriel> sits: so i guess the sistem sees a swap partition but it's the wrong one
[04:06] <cfq> acpi
[04:06] <cfq> i need acpi support
[04:06] <ronin> hmrocha: oh, i'm learning programmer
[04:06] <cfq> help me!
[04:07] <lfalvarez> sits: I have a problem I got a dns in my machine. I can ping mail.myserver.com, but I can't telnet mail.myserver.com 25. I'm using postfix
[04:07] <hmrocha> ronin, you don't know anything about programming?
[04:07] <sits> gabriel: I'll try and explain
[04:07] <ronin> hmrocha: gonna start my second year tomorrow;)
[04:07] <Dr_Willis> cfq, be a little more clear and specific perhaps
[04:07] <dfeed> Hi, anyone know how I can get the actual packet data from a blocked connection on my firewall?
[04:07] <Pogopuschel-> Making GUIs with java is horrible
[04:07] <sits> gabriel: your system has been told partition 7 on disk one is swap
[04:07] <Pogopuschel-> :)
[04:07] <hmrocha> Pogopuschel-, horrible why?
[04:08] <sits> gabriel: however NONE of your partitions appears to be a swap partition. So you can't just change it to point to the right partition because there is no right partition...
[04:08] <hmrocha> Pogopuschel-, it's really simple!
[04:08] <h08817> ok u programming people
[04:08] <ubu> kemik, vlc is now ok
[04:08] <cfq> dr_willis: i have a toshiba laptop and i can't get battery status
[04:08] <ubu> thanks u
[04:08] <Pogopuschel-> All these frameworks, swing, awt, etc :)
[04:08] <ubu> which player could play *.rm file ?
[04:08] <Pogopuschel-> what do you use? eclipse?
[04:08] <hmrocha> ronin, i'll start my 5th year in 5th september
[04:08] <h08817> how in the world do u save a file as .cpp
[04:08] <ubu> could realplayer play *.rm files ?
[04:08] <hmrocha> Pogopuschel-, you don't use awt anymore, only swing
[04:08] <pef> hi
[04:09] <hmrocha> Pogopuschel-, i use emacs
[04:09] <ronin> hmrocha: how many years do you have to do? my apprentice is 4 years...
[04:09] <XandriX> anyone here know a good crack the code game ?
[04:09] <hmrocha> ronin, mine is 4 years too, but i have to finish some disciplines i failed
[04:10] <Pogopuschel-> For things i can do with .NET within several minutes i need much more time with java
[04:10] <Dr_Willis> cfq, yep. I have had similer issues with laptops in the past. often its a matter of waiting for a new kernel to come out ane eventually support all the features.
[04:10] <Grat> ellwo
[04:10] <funkyHat> all my system sounds are very distorted, but sound from other programs is fine, can anyone help me fix it?
[04:10] <ronin> oh..:( what have you learned already?
[04:10] <Grat> ellow*
[04:10] <Pogopuschel-> The only reason i use java is because of its interoperability
[04:10] <Dr_Willis> cfq, got a Compaq V2311 right now - that has some very bad issues in linux. But the latest testing kernels seem to be better with it.
[04:10] <hmrocha> ronin, a lot of stuff :)
[04:10] <hmrocha> ronin, i must finish the maths from the 1st and 2nd year
[04:11] <tsw> how could I test which one of two machines in network is the bottleneck? server or client?
[04:11] <cfq> Dr_Willis: it is a toshiba laptop. L10 i guess. apm says kernel has no support
[04:11] <h08817> ronin, no but i want to make sure i have basics down pat like write in gedit then save as a .cpp and then g++ .cpp to test what i am doing
[04:11] <cfq> Dr_Willis: and acpi just doesn't work.
[04:11] <ompaul> h08817, that is a function of the editor you are using, or if you want you can put data in a file using the cat command , cat > hello.cpp - then when you press enter you can start to enter data - but you can't make mistakes in this case :)
[04:11] <gabriel> sits: when i installed linux ubuntu it asked to automatically do 2 partitions in free space. it did 1 bigger partition for system files hda3 and one smaller for swap hda6. hda7 is a previous existing partition in fat 32. all the others not mentioned are in ntfs for wxp. pitty it didn't get it automatically. maybe should try deleting tryky partition and reinstalling from scratch.
[04:11] <cfq> Dr_Willis: i need to get battery status. the computer keeps shutting down. and this is a centrino chipset machine.
[04:11] <hmrocha> Pogopuschel-, interoperability with what?
[04:12] <ronin> hmrocha: oh, stuff like that... i hate this school-things..
[04:12] <h08817> ompaul, what about vim can i still do the same switch like vim >hello.cpp?
[04:12] <cfq> Dr_Willis: even /proc/acpi/battery is empty. i can't get any values.
[04:12] <Pogopuschel-> I can be pretty sure that these apps will run under linux as they will under win
[04:12] <hmrocha> ronin, why?
[04:12] <ubu> could realplayer play *.rm files ?
[04:12] <kemik> hmrocha: java works on all platforms
[04:12] <ubu> could realplayer play *.rm files ?
[04:12] <hmrocha> kemik, .net is supposed to work too
[04:13] <sits> gabriel: be careful. I know too many people who have ruined their partition table and lost work due to getting partition table sizing wrong
[04:13] <hmrocha> kemik, python too
[04:13] <sits> gabriel: at any rate I can't help you there
[04:13] <Pogopuschel-> hmrocha: But afaik there are many features mono doesn't support
[04:13] <hmrocha> kemik, you even have python in some nokia cellphone
[04:13] <Dr_Willis> cfq, yep - i feel your pain. You have checked the variouis linux-laptop pages and the Ubuntu laptop wiki/forums yet for your specific brand?
[04:13] <ompaul> h08817, no you would use commands within vim so vim filename.cpp starts the process, then you press i in the file to start inserting data but if your going to do that get a 'help sheet' online print it aand have it to hand
[04:13] <sits> lfalvarez: your problem doesn't sound like a DNS issue
[04:13] <kemik> hmrocha: "supposed"
[04:13] <gabriel> sits: okeydokey. i got the message. thanks a lot!
[04:13] <hmrocha> Pogopuschel-, maybe there are, but i never needed anything mono didn't have
[04:13] <ronin> hmrocha: it's just simple learning! no thinking (except maths ;) ) we also have accountancy
[04:14] <Pogopuschel-> hmrocha: some time ago i developed a program, to automatically upload some files in a queue to a freehost service, etc
[04:14] <kemik> python seems very useful actually... though i've never coded in it yet
[04:14] <Pogopuschel-> just didn't work under linux, even without gui
[04:14] <lfalvarez> sits: any ideas ?? Some missing postfix configuration ??
[04:14] <ompaul> h08817, better if you use 'nano'
[04:14] <cfq> Dr_Willis: most of them say that i need to patch the kernel. i don't want to rebuild my kernel now. i am using ubuntu 5.04.
[04:14] <sits> lfalvarez: too many possibilities
[04:14] <hmrocha> Pogopuschel-, what language?
[04:14] <Pogopuschel-> C#
[04:14] <sits> lfalvarez: can you ping the machine in question?
[04:14] <thoreauputic> h08817: for an intro to vim type " vimtutor" in a terminal
[04:14] <hmrocha> Pogopuschel-, strange, but i believe you :)
[04:14] <h08817> ok
[04:14] <lfalvarez> sits: yes
[04:14] <cfq> Dr_Willis: also i see that toshiba is the worst brand for these stuff :-)
[04:15] <Pogopuschel-> I've never made some experience with mono myself, because the only linux machine i'm running here is debian as a server, no desktop
[04:15] <lfalvarez> sits: its the same machine. I have in this machine a dns, webserver, mailserver
[04:15] <Dr_Willis> cfq, your options are limited then. They are basicially saying that the laptop is not supported yet in your current kernel (bad).. but will be in the next kernel versions (which is good)
[04:15] <sits> lfalvarez: but telnet localhost 25 does what? Returns immediately?
[04:15] <hmrocha> Pogopuschel-, i hope you'll try mono again sometime in the future
[04:16] <Dr_Willis> cfq, Ive been in identical spots in the past. in 6 mo or so.. the thing should be supported fine. :(
[04:16] <Pogopuschel-> i will :)
[04:16] <kemik> for crossplatform i'd either do Java or c++ and try to avoid platform dependant libs.. (which is hard if you code certain apps ;) )
[04:16] <lfalvarez> sits: telnet localhost 25 works fine!!
[04:16] <cfq> Dr_Willis: i wonder where can i find acpi documentations. i may write my own.
[04:16] <Fade> there's a syntax error in the postinstall script for the base-config package in security
[04:16] <Dr_Willis> cfq, THAT is a very big and complex issue. sadly. the problem i hear is that the vendors/makers dont follow the specs all the way.
[04:16] <ompaul> Fade, how so?
[04:17] <hmrocha> Pogopuschel-, ronin, kemik, cfq, bye now, i have to code some lines for my app
[04:17] <Fade> there's an unterminated for loop
[04:17] <Dr_Willis> cfq, so then the linux kernel guys got to do specific patches/tweaks for each screw up by the companies.
[04:17] <Pogopuschel-> hmrocha: bye :)
[04:17] <Seveas> Fade, hoary or breezy?
[04:17] <Fade> hoary
[04:17] <Seveas> hmm
[04:17] <Seveas> linenumber?
[04:17] <cfq> Dr_Willis: thank you very much.
[04:17] <ronin> hmrocha: bye too
[04:17] <cfq> Dr_Willis: see you around.
[04:17] <Fade> line 57.
[04:17] <Dr_Willis> cfq, good luck man. the forums/wiki are the places to watch also.
[04:18] <Fade> s/\\/\;/
[04:18] <cfq> Dr_Willis: i may try to reverse engineer.
[04:18] <kemik> hmrocha: good luck
[04:18] <ronin> is somebody out there who knows how to mount a ntfs-partition
[04:18] <Dr_Willis> cfq, you will need MUCH good luck then.
[04:18] <Dr_Willis> :P
[04:18] <hmrocha> kemik, thanks, i'll need it
[04:18] <kemik> !ntfs
[04:18] <ubotu> ntfs is, like, totally, the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP. The Ubuntu installer can safely resize an NTFS partition to create a new partition for you to install Ubuntu. http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[04:18] <cfq> Dr_Willis: lol! thanks man.
[04:18] <kemik> ronin ^
[04:18] <Dr_Willis> ronin, same as ya mount any other partition.
[04:19] <Dr_Willis> the installer can resize? i must of missed that.. of course I do normally put linux on its own hard drive
[04:19] <ronin> dr_willis: i've got a message mountpoint doesn't exist. in the folder /mnt is no folder "ntfs"
[04:20] <ronin> kemik: i didnt understand you
[04:20] <Dr_Willis> ronin, well the directory you are mouinting to HAS to exist simply put. :P if you are mounting to /mnt/foo -- then you MUST mkdir /mnt/foo
[04:20] <Dr_Willis> first :P
[04:21] <sits> lfalvarez: I think I know what's going on
[04:21] <Seveas> Fade, hoary base-config postinst is correct
[04:21] <ronin> dr_willis: just a mkdir? ive done this, and mounted then... but it came the same message.. ill try again
[04:21] <sits> lfalvarez: btw which address did you say you were trying?
[04:21] <Seveas> the forloop does start in line 59
[04:21] <Dr_Willis> ronin, mount has very poor and generic error messages at times. :P
[04:21] <stizoner> out of all the faq and forum and stuff .... i found this documentation to be the best, it has simple cut paist how 2 mount http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html
[04:22] <Seveas> lines 32-58 are the list it loops through
[04:22] <ronin> dr_willis: can be.. this is my first linux-day ;)
[04:22] <Fade> the last line in the final for clause isn't 'apt-setup/security-updates-failed \ <\n\t> do ...'
[04:22] <Fade> ?
[04:22] <kemik> ronin: follow the link ubotu pasted...
[04:22] <Seveas> ronin, run the winmac_fstab script somoeone gave you earlier
[04:22] <lfalvarez> sits: mi ip address. the one I put int /etc/network/interfaces
[04:22] <Dr_Willis> ronin, google for 'linux mount drive tutorial' or check the ubunto url and the wikis.
[04:22] <Seveas> it doesn't get easier than that
[04:22] <kemik> !tell ronin about ntfs
[04:23] <kemik> ronin: see your pm
[04:23] <Dr_Willis> it pays to learn how drives and things get mounted however. :P
[04:23] <stizoner> the unofficial documentation is better then the offical, lol
[04:23] <sits> lfalvarez: and that was?
[04:23] <stizoner> tiz k
[04:23] <ronin> kemik: whats "pm"?
[04:23] <Fade> I'm looking at base-config 2.70
[04:23] <kemik> ronin: private message
[04:23] <Seveas> Fade, that's line 39
[04:23] <Seveas> ok, i'm looking at 2.62 which is the hoary version
[04:24] <Fade> I'm on powerpc.
[04:24] <ronin> ah! yes thx for sending ;)
[04:24] <Fade> but I am tracking hoary.
[04:24] <spike> Seveas: hi
[04:24] <Seveas> 2.70 is not a hoary version...
[04:24] <spike> Seveas: did u see my message above?
[04:24] <oonoon> hi, i'm using samba to print on a win printer which is connected to a computer of my network ; when i try to restart samba '/etc/init.d/samba restart' it's ok to stop samba daemons but fails to start them
[04:24] <Seveas> spike, no
[04:25] <spike> Seveas: I never received any email about that loop-aes bug u said u reported... and actually can't find it on bugzilla
[04:25] <Seveas> spike, 2.70 isn't even in breezy
[04:25] <Seveas> you must be using a debian or 3rd party repository...
[04:26] <Duvel> oonoon, restarting only works when they are started i think
[04:26] <ronin> dr_willis, kemik: here's the (new) error:mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda3,
[04:26] <ronin> missing codepage or other error
[04:26] <ronin> (aren't you trying to mount an extended partition,
[04:26] <ronin> instead of some logical partition inside?)
[04:26] <ronin> In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so
[04:26] <Seveas> ronin, do NOT paste in here
[04:26] <Fade> well, I'll sort through my sources.list and double check.
[04:26] <gabriel> amazing
[04:26] <ronin> seveas: sorry
[04:26] <Duvel> oonoon, try smbd start;nmbd start
[04:27] <kemik> ronin: after runing the script ?
[04:27] <Seveas> ronin, and either read the mount documentation or use the script that has been given to you 2 times
[04:27] <Sly> another quicky apt-get_able vnc clients ?
[04:27] <ronin> no, doing a normal mount
[04:27] <Seveas> Sly, there's one installed by default
[04:27] <ronin> seveas: ok
[04:27] <gabriel> sits: i need to tell you this
[04:27] <kemik> ronin: follow our advice, or do not ask for it :P
[04:27] <Sly> =X
[04:28] <Sly> sly@DarkStar:~$ vnc
[04:28] <Sly> bash: vnc: command not found
[04:28] <Sly> sly@DarkStar:~$ vncviewer
[04:28] <Sly> VNC viewer version 3.3.7 - built Oct 28 2004 23:56:22
[04:28] <Seveas> spike, it's a universe package
[04:28] <ronin> kemik: sorry :( i was too impatient..
[04:28] <Sly> found it =D
[04:28] <oonoon> Duvel : i do it, i get no msg in output
[04:28] <gabriel> sits: i've changed in fstab hda7 to hda6 and now when i run free i get swap free
[04:28] <Seveas> spike, so I filed it on malone
[04:28] <Seveas> which does not allow me to CC you on the bug, you will need a launchpad account for it and subscribe yourself
[04:28] <gabriel> sits: whent for hibernation and works!
[04:28] <sits> gabriel: ah I guess I was wrong then
[04:28] <vtsangwon> Anyone know howto change the gnome menu/panel configuration such as Application -> Program or change to international characters
[04:28] <oonoon> how can i see the status of samba ?
[04:28] <sits> gabriel: weyhey! Just goes to show - don't listen to me :)
[04:28] <spike> Seveas: yeah, I remembered that, but there's no search function on malone...
[04:29] <Seveas> sec...
[04:29] <spike> ah
[04:29] <ronin> thx for help to all...
[04:29] <spike> I had to click "Bugs"... it was highlited... thought that was the current page...
[04:29] <spike> Seveas: nm
[04:29] <spike> sorry
[04:29] <gabriel> sits: well i just gave it a try. and it works! thanks a lot!
[04:29] <Seveas> spike, it's bug 1742
[04:29] <sits> gabriel: don't thank me - you solved your own problem despite my (wrong) advice
[04:30] <oonoon> Duvel : what does 'smbd start' ?
[04:30] <spike> doh, not even assigned...
[04:30] <Seveas> nope :|
[04:31] <spike> Seveas: what if I work on that? I'm horribly busy but I could allocate a couple of nights to it...
[04:31] <spike> Seveas: what's the procedure?
[04:31] <Seveas> spike, the motu would welcome you and probably will try to persuade you to do more ;)
[04:31] <Alex> Got this annoying problem - Hoary will not load on this box. THe pressed cd, just does not boot.
[04:31] <gabriel> sits: just one more little question. when i add nolapic to menu.lst i manage to shutdown completly the sistem. but at the next reboot i get the nolapic cut out and of course the sistem freezes before actually switching off. any idea of how making change permanent?
[04:32] <carajean206> hello room can anyone help me install ie 6?
[04:32] <Seveas> the 'procedure' is uploading a fixed package to REVU and aataching a comment to the bug. telling someone in #ubuntu-motu when you uploaded it helps too :)
[04:32] <Seveas> If you don't want to do all the hassle, but just fix, send me the patch and I'll do the REVU/MOTU dance for you
[04:33] <thoreauputic> carajean206: cat ie6 > /dev/null <---- why ie6 in a linux channel?
[04:33] <carajean206> to install wine
[04:33] <carajean206> but for internet sufing firefox
[04:34] <Seveas> carajean206, you don't need IE6 for wine...
[04:34] <carajean206> i follow the wine cvs install on the forums
[04:34] <carajean206> and it used winetools and that requires the install of ie 6 to go any futher
[04:34] <carajean206> plus i dont want to pay for wine again
[04:34] <kemik> carajean206: you install ie6 from within winetools
[04:35] <wickedpuppy> pay for wine ? wine is free
[04:35] <carajean206> i know but when i do its says failed cause it cant download the components check internet connections
[04:35] <vtsangwon> anyone know the directory for changing menu under gnome? using ubuntu hoary
[04:35] <carajean206> wine is free since when
[04:35] <carajean206> ?
[04:36] <thoreauputic> carajean206: ? wine is GPL
[04:36] <carajean206> i was paying like 15 for 3 months for wine cedega point to play stuff
[04:36] <thoreauputic> carajean206: do you mean Cedega?
[04:36] <Seveas> carajean206, internet connections does not mean IE6...
[04:36] <ompaul> carajean206, 'apt-get install wine' Wine is free software. The licensing terms are the GNU Lesser General Public License
[04:36] <Seveas> and cedega is not wine
[04:36] <carajean206> will wine let me install games?
[04:36] <mindmedic> carajean206, not many
[04:36] <carajean206> hmm
[04:37] <mindmedic> look at frankscorner.org for some examples
[04:37] <mindmedic> carajean206, what do you want to play?
[04:37] <funkyHat> guys, you know how cedega is available free from the CVS, what liscence is that under?
[04:37] <carajean206> i want to play world of warcraft
[04:37] <wickedpuppy> funkyHat, cedega is not free ...
[04:38] <carajean206> i have played it before using linux now im back with linux
[04:38] <funkyHat> i know
[04:38] <vader1102> I want to use wine to do one certain chat program but this far have been unsuccessful trying it
[04:38] <Alex> All the other releases hvae booted, so I can't work out why Hoary won't.
[04:38] <funkyHat> wickedpuppy, but you can download it from the CVS...
[04:38] <stizoner> mirc? lol
[04:38] <mindmedic> carajean206, i think that only works with cedega..
[04:38] <CookedGryphon> what chat program?
[04:38] <vader1102> Paltalk
[04:38] <mindmedic> funkyHat, but a lot of 3rd party stuff is missing in cvs...
[04:39] <funkyHat> ok. but what liscence is it available under?
[04:39] <stizoner> gaim and all those are way better then paltalk
[04:39] <vader1102> I just have some friends in there that won't convert
[04:39] <carajean206> ok isnt there a cvs version of cedega?
[04:40] <manu_> does some one know how to use skype with esd ?????
[04:40] <funkyHat> carajean206, yes, but that isn't as likely to run WoW as the paid-for version
[04:40] <Alex> Hey - are there any other Ubuntu support channels?
[04:40] <funkyHat> and is harder to set up
[04:40] <mindmedic> funkyHat, dunno, but maybe have a look at their website
[04:40] <manu_> i always have to kill esd to make it work
[04:40] <ompaul> carajean206, funkyHat, read this for the information you want - it is well beyone the scope of this channel http://www.transgaming.com/terms_of_use.php - they want you to subscribe to their software
[04:40] <manu_> ????
[04:40] <wickedpuppy> Alex, this is THE one
[04:40] <oonoon> 'NT_STATUS_ACESS_DENIED' when i'm printing on a network printer ... what to do?
[04:41] <ompaul> manu_, if you wait a few seconds longer it may die naturally
[04:41] <CookedGryphon> try a different sound daemon than esd, oss or summat
[04:41] <Alex> wickedpuppy: I know that - thought there might be affiliate channels - it just gets a bit drowned out (questions) in here 8)
[04:41] <manu_> esd?
[04:41] <h08817> im a noob and need some help here
[04:41] <manu_> die naturaly
[04:41] <manu_> ?
[04:41] <funkyHat> esd doesn't close itself on its own
[04:41] <manu_> when i wait a the start from skype
[04:41] <manu_> ?
[04:41] <funkyHat> manu_, i've set up all my sound with alsa, it's not too challenging
[04:42] <ompaul> h08817, you are trying to learn to program am I right?
[04:42] <h08817> using ubuntu and was wondering how do i write information in a file then compile it to become executable
[04:42] <h08817> ompaul, yes
[04:42] <mjr> where does evolution store its account information?
[04:42] <manu_> is it better than esd
[04:42] <manu_> ?
[04:42] <carajean206> wow they want me to pay 3 month in advance i doubt i be on linux that long
[04:42] <ompaul> h08817, use the program nano to create and edit files
[04:42] <sn0n> hmmm
[04:42] <h08817> what is that?
[04:42] <h08817> o ok
[04:42] <h08817> duh
[04:43] <Hakon> hello
[04:43] <thoreauputic> h08817: you can use any text editor of course
[04:43] <h08817> ompaul, sudo apt-get install nano?
[04:43] <CookedGryphon> vim rocks
[04:43] <ompaul> h08817, is it not already on your system?
[04:43] <Alex> If anyone does have an idea about why Hoary won't boot, give me an elbow.
[04:43] <thoreauputic> h08817: it's installed by default
[04:43] <manu_> other question : how to mount my windows xp folders ?
[04:43] <h08817> thoreauputic, i know but i just don't understand how to get the compiler to make a file exe so i can run it
[04:43] <thoreauputic> !start an editor war
[04:43] <ubotu> kwrite is better than emacs
[04:44] <Alex> Heya thoreauputic.
[04:44] <h08817> lol
[04:44] <funkyHat> hahaha
[04:44] <manu_> ?
[04:44] <stizoner> manu_ theres like a 100 topics in the forum about that and in the documentation
[04:44] <manu_> :(
[04:45] <Seveas> manu_: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[04:45] <funkyHat> manu, there is an auto configuration script for mounting windows partitions
[04:45] <ompaul> h08817, you do not need to make exe files -that is a silly convention on some other system you are thinking about - your execuitable file on linux can be anything foo for instance or my.little.execuitable are both legal
[04:45] <thoreauputic> h08817: I assume you just save it as foo.c or whatever then compile that file ...
[04:45] <funkyHat> ooh, there it is ^
[04:45] <ray_> nano is cool for quick editing
[04:45] <Seveas> stizoner, giving people an RTFM is bad practice in this channel...
[04:45] <h08817> ok i'll see what i can do
[04:45] <stizoner> Seveas, i was actually doing the same thing... http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html
[04:46] <manu_> :)
[04:46] <manu_> thanks
[04:46] <Seveas> that guide is on crack, way too complicated for too little result
[04:46] <Seveas> (the mounting part that is)
[04:47] <ompaul> h08817, http://www.cs.wm.edu/cspages/computing/tutorial/gpp.html that might be a little easier for you to cope with all the info in one place read that first and then see how you go
[04:47] <Seveas> and it looks way too much like a kubuntu-version of ubuntuguide
[04:47] <stizoner> it puts out for real cheap?
[04:47] <h08817> ok thanks
[04:47] <Seveas> which it probably is
[04:47] <firestorm> Hi. I'm new to Ubuntu. I have apt-get install steghide to try using steghide for JPG files but get the run-time error: steghide not compiled for support with JPEG files. Can ubuntu's package manager deal with such compile-time issues or am I forced to manually download source, compile and circumvent apt?
[04:48] <stizoner> yeah cause kubuntu kicks ass
[04:48] <Seveas> stizoner, well, you should not be kubuntu-specific in here, there's #kubuntu for that
[04:48] <stizoner> there both exactly the same
[04:48] <stizoner> except gnome and kde
[04:48] <Seveas> that's quite a difference...
[04:48] <DonL> I have a question about multipe kernel headers
[04:48] <wareagle> hi, i am very new to computers, however do not want to use any win products . Is ubuntu an OS, and if so is it user frindley?
[04:48] <DonL> multiple
[04:48] <amichai> anyon here use skype?
[04:48] <funkyHat> does anyone have the pastebin script from paste.ubuntulinux.nl?
[04:48] <ompaul> stizoner, very different things those two
[04:48] <Seveas> firestorm, looking at it
[04:48] <smurfix> firestorm: looks like a packaging bug -- report a bug, and compile from source in the meantime
[04:49] <Seveas> funkyHat, yes, I have :)
[04:49] <Seveas> (since I wrote it)
[04:49] <ompaul> amichai, I have been known to
[04:49] <funkyHat> hehehe
[04:49] <funkyHat> i can't get it to run properly :(
[04:49] <amichai> ompaul: with gnome?
[04:49] <firestorm> smurfix: thanks
[04:49] <ompaul> amichai, yes
[04:49] <Seveas> funkyHat, what's the prob?
[04:49] <funkyHat> i did sudo ./pastebin --install
[04:49] <funkyHat> when i do pastebin, or pastebin --help it just hangs
[04:50] <Seveas> it should :)
[04:50] <Seveas> there is no --help
[04:50] <funkyHat> ok
[04:50] <funkyHat> lol
[04:50] <amichai> ompaul: can u help me? i cant get the right sound settings, i can her the other person but they can hear me. i got it working before.
[04:50] <Seveas> and you should simply pipe output to it
[04:50] <thoreauputic> wareagle: Ubuntu is a distribution of GNU?Linux, which is indeed an operating system
[04:50] <DonL> Some time ago I installed the amd specific K7 kernel, and I just noticed today when I received an update from Ubuntu that it updated the 386 headers and the K7 ones. Is there a problem having both?
[04:50] <amichai> ompaul: they cant hear me
[04:50] <funkyHat> well i've made a ~/.pastebinrc
[04:50] <ompaul> amichai, had it working on ubuntu?
[04:50] <Seveas> DonL, no
[04:50] <amichai> ompaul: yes
[04:50] <thoreauputic> *GNU/Linux
[04:50] <bur[n] er> funkyHat: blah > blah.txt
[04:50] <grogoreo> hi
[04:50] <Seveas> funkyHat, some_command with params | pastebin
[04:50] <DonL> Seveas, ok. Thanks. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, right?
[04:50] <funkyHat> so it would be for example cat file.txt > pastebin
[04:50] <kevor> no funkyHat always do >>, because > clears the whole txtfile
[04:51] <Seveas> well, having both installed is useless :)
[04:51] <amichai> ompaul: what r ur setting in the sound manager?
[04:51] <funkyHat> :S
[04:51] <funkyHat> so should i do >> or | ?
[04:51] <ompaul> amichai, first have you any other sounds playing?
[04:51] <spola> hahahaha gentoo is horrible
[04:51] <DonL> What all can I uninstall then to lighten it up then?
[04:51] <kevor> depends, what do you wana do?
[04:51] <funkyHat> or doesn't it matter?
[04:51] <amichai> ompaul: no
[04:51] <ompaul> amichai, first should have been are you running hoary?
[04:51] <amichai> ompaul: yes
[04:51] <Seveas> funkyHat, |
[04:51] <Seveas> >> redirects to a file
[04:51] <Seveas> | to a new command
[04:51] <ompaul> amichai, then the problem is elsewhere
[04:52] <grogoreo> I've plugged in an old Epson GT8500 scanner into my parrelle port on my computer (even though it came with a bi-derectional card (but in ISA format not PCI)) but have changed, in my BIOS, to bi-directional. How do i firstly install it or use it? I have sane installed
[04:52] <amichai> ompaul: i got it running twice before by turning off LFE or something, but not now
[04:52] <funkyHat> ok :) thanks
[04:52] <amichai> ompaul: mic?
[04:52] <carajean206> has anyone tried the cvs cedega version?
[04:52] <CookedGryphon> Is it possible to get Rhythmbox to recognise wma files? cos i am reading my media off my old XP partition and can't be bothered converting them, if not, what program can i get that will recognise them?
[04:52] <ray_> ive got the .deb
[04:52] <ompaul> amichai, you have no other audio working, as that is how I read what you already told me
[04:52] <h08817> ompaul, i don't know
[04:52] <ray_> CookedGryphon: do you have w32codecs
[04:52] <Seveas> CookedGryphon, afaik: no
[04:53] <h08817> ompaul, this seems to be hard it doesn't even work right
[04:53] <Alex> Right, I think I'm going to install Warty and upgrade.
[04:53] <amichai> ompaul: right should i use esd or alsa
[04:53] <EasterSunshine> i cannot kill this process `14550 ? 00:00:01 smbiod` when i sudo killall smbiod, and when i kill 14550, it remains in `ps -A`
[04:53] <h08817> ompaul, i tried the plain first program and it just crashes why i use g++ i guess there is a problem in the code
[04:53] <Seveas> amichai, esd
[04:53] <ompaul> h08817, what seems hard? what doesn't work right?
[04:53] <h08817> ompaul, the hello world one
[04:53] <CookedGryphon> can i get the w32 codecs from ubuntu's package manager/
[04:54] <funkyHat> amichai, esd unless it causes you any problems, it's fine for most people
[04:54] <ablyss> EasterSunshine, try kill -9 14550
[04:54] <ompaul> h08817, let me look at it
[04:54] <funkyHat> not for me because i have 2 soundcards and other odd requirements ;P
[04:54] <CookedGryphon> i think i have all the gstreamer codec packages
[04:54] <h08817> !pastebin
[04:54] <ubotu> somebody said pastebin was a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[04:55] <raven3x7> !tell CookedGryphon about extras
[04:55] <EasterSunshine> ablyss: thx, the process is gone now, but my original problem was that some process is using my mounted smbfs so ican't unmount it
[04:55] <funkyHat> CookedGryphon, yes you can get the windows codecs from synaptic, you may have to add extra repositories though
[04:55] <smurfix> EasterSunshine: that's a kernel process. Why would you want to kill it?
[04:55] <ompaul> h08817, paste the code into pastebin and give us the url
[04:55] <CookedGryphon> ...? what repositories?
[04:55] <CookedGryphon> what's the package name i'm looking for?
[04:55] <ompaul> amichai, yes, alsa is good
[04:55] <ablyss> EasterSunshine, probably Gnome.. not uncommon
[04:56] <wickedpuppy> !repositories
[04:56] <ubotu> methinks repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[04:56] <raven3x7> CookedGryphon w32codecs if you dont have extras you wont see it
[04:56] <smurfix> EasterSunshine: sudo fuser -m /mount/point ?
[04:56] <CookedGryphon> kk
[04:56] <DonL> !headers
[04:57] <ubotu> DonL: Are you smoking crack?
[04:57] <mdke> i've installed breezy on one of my servers but can't connect to it via sftp in nautilus. Does anyone know why this might be?
[04:57] <DonL> haha
[04:57] <h08817> ompaul, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1470
[04:57] <Seveas> mdke, did you install openssh-server on it?
[04:57] <EasterSunshine> ablyss: i am on kde, gnome is not even installed
[04:57] <alex__> hey all
[04:57] <EasterSunshine> smurfix: thx, but fuser locks up
[04:58] <mdke> Seveas, yes i connect fine in the terminal
[04:58] <DonL> Back later...
[04:58] <mdke> Seveas, only nautilus doesn't seem to work
[04:58] <alex__> i am trying to encrypt my /home, /var, and /tmp folders. all of those folders are under LVM2 control
[04:58] <alex__> i used cryptsetup to encrypt them
[04:58] <Simian> i've looked at the ubuntu wiki for how to automaticly start programs when gnome starts but had no luck
[04:58] <alex__> and everything's fine
[04:58] <zero_> is there some german irc channel?
[04:58] <Simian> can anyone point me in the right direction
[04:58] <raven3x7> #ubuntu-de
[04:58] <alex__> however i am having trouble mounting the directories at boot
[04:58] <zero_> thx
[04:59] <ray_> Simian: it is easy
[04:59] <Seveas> mdke, hmm, sup-process sftp enabled in sshd.conf?
[04:59] <wickedpuppy> h08817, try iostream ... no ,h
[04:59] <alex__> see, the passphrase is stored on a usb stick that is automatically mounted at boot
[04:59] <mdke> Seveas, i'll have a look
[04:59] <smurfix> EasterSunshine: Ouch -- that shouldn't happen. Is your smb server dead? Does "umount -f /mount/point" work?
[04:59] <ray_> Simian: go into system administration and go into sessions
[04:59] <amichai> q
[04:59] <amichai> uit
[04:59] <Simian> ok
[04:59] <raven3x7> h08817 .h is c style
[04:59] <ray_> Simian: add the program you want to start
[05:00] <EasterSunshine> smurfix: yes, the server went off last night, and it is even back on today
[05:00] <zwnj> i added mod-ssl to mods-enable, but i cannot connect to https://localhost:80/ yet. what's the problem?
[05:00] <EasterSunshine> smurfix: umount -f still complains that the filesystem is busy
[05:00] <mdke> Seveas, yes looks like it
[05:00] <mdke> Subsystemsftp/usr/lib/misc/sftp-server
[05:00] <Simian> thanks ray_
[05:01] <ray_> Simian: no prob........what is the app you want to start
[05:01] <Seveas> hmm, sftp from terminal works too?
[05:01] <Simian> beagle
[05:01] <ablyss> EasterSunshine, Gnome, KDE, or others desktop UI will sometimes cause that. restarting GDM or KDM might resolve the problem.
[05:01] <wickedpuppy> zwnj, have you restarted apache?
[05:01] <Simian> firestarter
[05:01] <mdke> Seveas, no, that must be the problem I guess
[05:01] <mdke> Request for subsystem 'sftp' failed on channel 0
[05:02] <vader1102> This afternoon I have to install Windows Server 2003 to complete my Network + course......ewwwwwwwww
[05:02] <EasterSunshine> ablyss: do you suggest killall kdm?
[05:02] <ompaul> h08817, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1473
[05:02] <ray_> vader1102: yeah ive been there done that
[05:02] <ablyss> EasterSunshine, no no, sudo /etc/init.t/gdm restart
[05:02] <ray_> vader1102: where are you from?
[05:02] <vader1102> and then they want me to get my server 2003 cert too
[05:03] <vader1102> Ont Canada
[05:03] <vader1102> you?
[05:03] <ray_> cool
[05:03] <ray_> New Hampshire
[05:03] <ray_> not too far
[05:03] <vader1102> awesome
[05:03] <cheleb> zwnj: try https://localhost:443
[05:04] <zwnj> wickedpuppy: of course ;)
[05:04] <wickedpuppy> zwnj, try nmap localhost ... see if you get https
[05:04] <h08817> ompaul, what is the -o switch for?
[05:04] <zwnj> cheleb: i added "Listen 443" to ports and tried https://localhost too
[05:04] <h08817> ompaul, for g++
[05:04] <ompaul> h08817, to create output the file name
[05:05] <spola> i get a lot of gzip errors when i try to apt-get update, also when i try to upgrade often my downloads will fail in the middle (never happens when i download far bigger "stuff") ... what's the up with that?
[05:05] <wickedpuppy> h08817, try g++ -o prog_name prog_name.cpp
[05:05] <mdke> Seveas, might be a breezy bug i guess, because it looks like it is setup right, although i'm no expert on ssh
[05:05] <Seveas> mdke, me neither, I was just summing up possible points of failure
[05:05] <ray_> spola: paste your sourceslist in #flood
[05:06] <zwnj> there's no problem with http over 80 and 443, but https doesn't work on both of them
[05:06] <Seveas> mdke, does /usr/lib/misc/sftp-server exist?
[05:06] <wickedpuppy> zwnj, have you tried nmap ?
[05:06] <zwnj> wickedpuppy: yes, 443 is open
[05:06] <ompaul> h08817, you can also join #c++ and they have a list of helpful urls in the topic for programming C++
[05:06] <wickedpuppy> oh hmms
[05:06] <wickedpuppy> ah
[05:06] <nubbe> How do I make an irc-link in FF open in an existing x-chat window?
[05:06] <Seveas> mdke, in hoary it is just /usr/lib/sftp-server
[05:06] <mdke> Seveas, you're right!
[05:07] <mdke> Seveas, i'll try changing it
[05:07] <Seveas> mdke, slocate sftp-server :)
[05:07] <oonoon> someone knows samba well here?
[05:07] <ray_> whats the diff between locate and slocate
[05:07] <mdke> Seveas, it's in the same place as hoary
[05:07] <carajean206> ok i got another question when i see screenshots of other peoples desktops i see they have weather apps and mem usage stuff on it how do i get that?
[05:08] <Seveas> mdke, well, you found the problem then :)
[05:08] <Seveas> please file the bug
[05:08] <ray_> carajean206: right click on the panel....click add app
[05:08] <spola> when using a mirror, should i use something like ftp://ftp.belnet.be/mirror/ubuntu.com/ (which has two subdirectories: releases & ubuntu) or do i have to add the .../ubuntu? (the ubuntu dir has about 5 dirs .. misc pool projects etc...) and use ftp://ftp.belnet.be/mirror/ubuntu.com/ubuntu/?
[05:09] <carajean206> and this will put those tranparent ones on my desktop?
[05:09] <mdke> Seveas, notabug ;) I accidentally used a sarge sshd_config file
[05:09] <cheleb> carajean206: apt-get install gdesklets
[05:09] <ray_> carajean206: are you using gnome
[05:09] <mdke> Seveas, have amended the address and works now
[05:09] <carajean206> ok i will try that
[05:09] <carajean206> yes i am
[05:10] <carajean206> ok i apt desklets
[05:10] <mdke> thanks Seveas
[05:10] <CookedGryphon> okay, still can't dl the w32 codecs, have added all the repositories mentioned but i can't find it
[05:10] <carajean206> now what? the stuff is all messed up
[05:11] <ray_> messed up how
[05:11] <ray_> CookedGryphon: u added the backports.........
[05:11] <oonoon> i've got weird problems with samba
[05:11] <carajean206> um for like some of them i get wierd like letters
[05:11] <oonoon> i can crash it, allowing me to stop it but not to start it again
[05:11] <CookedGryphon> the backports repository?
[05:11] <ray_> CookedGryphon: its w32codecs with no space
[05:11] <BearyB> hi everyone ;)
[05:11] <CookedGryphon> yeah
[05:11] <oonoon> i must completely remove it and then reinstalling and then it works
[05:12] <CookedGryphon> lol i know
[05:12] <carajean206> i cant drag any of the stuff to the desktop
[05:12] <ray_> CookedGryphon: paste your sources.list in #flood
[05:12] <EasterSunshine> okay who was it that made me restart kdm?
[05:12] <ray_> no me
[05:12] <ablyss> me
[05:12] <EasterSunshine> ablyss: thx, it worked
[05:12] <carajean206> ok now how to get desklet working?
[05:12] <spola> omg i noticed a horribly confusing translation error when using apt-get !! is there anyone i could write about this?
[05:13] <ablyss> yvw
[05:13] <EasterSunshine> ablyss: however...it has eliminated my godly aim uptime and dcc trasnfers
[05:13] <EasterSunshine> :)
[05:13] <ablyss> hehehe
[05:13] <ray_> EasterSunshine: what was your aim uptime?
[05:14] <EasterSunshine> ray_: about 50 days, but i can understand if you have more, its godly compare to the other ppl on my buddy list
[05:14] <ray_> EasterSunshine: no i dont have more......most i ever had was like 17 days
[05:14] <michi> hello, how can i control the mouse sensivity for my usb mouse?
[05:14] <CookedGryphon> ray : done
[05:14] <funkyHat> CookedGryphon, the planetmirror mirror of extras is broken
[05:15] <ompaul> spola, was it apt-get that had the problem or some application? register your bug on Malone
[05:15] <ray_> CookedGryphon: did you apt-get update
[05:15] <cheleb> carajean206: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31928&highlight=howto+gdesklets
[05:15] <oonoon> i've got the feeling with linux that almost every error become irreversible, and deteriorate the quality and the stability of the environnement
[05:15] <ray_> CookedGryphon: the backports repo is commented out in your sources.list
[05:16] <ray_> CookedGryphon: remove the # before the backports
[05:16] <CookedGryphon> lol so it is
[05:16] <Seveas> oonoon, that's with windows :)
[05:16] <spola> it said: after unpacking [the downloaded programs] an additional XXX meg will be *freed* on your harddrive so maybe it's not as bad as i put it first but im still gonna get to malone about it
[05:16] <Seveas> on linux errors are easier to resolve in my experience
[05:16] <CookedGryphon> that's cos i copied the list direct from the link ubotu sent me
[05:16] <CookedGryphon> without looking what it said
[05:16] <spola> the dutch translation is horrible actually
[05:16] <dalamar> some people get lucky and install error free too heh
[05:16] <LinuxJones> oonoon, what makes you say something like that ?
[05:17] <asfra> hi, I have a problem with a process called gnome-video-thu, frequently it uses almost all my memory and causes the system to stall if I don't shut it down. What does this process do?
[05:17] <kevor> lets lynch him :P
[05:17] <ompaul> kevor, wheres the humanity in that?
[05:17] <EasterSunshine> kevor: i think it was this channel where we lynched someone using mirc...he wasn't running it with wine
[05:17] <kevor> oh crap, #ubuntu :P
[05:18] <kevor> or fun too: root@hostname
[05:18] <ompaul> hehe
[05:18] <kevor> oonoon: all those settings that are reversable take down the speed of the OS :)
[05:19] <oonoon> LinuxJones : my stuff with nvidia card and samba for network
[05:19] <kevor> no problem with samba. i love it
[05:19] <carajean206> ok guys im really tired of this ownership stuff and being root can anyone tell me how to take it off. i cant even create new folders?
[05:19] <snorks> !ati
[05:19] <ubotu> rumour has it, ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[05:19] <oonoon> LinuxJones : things work sometimes, and then it doesn't anymore for an unknown reason, and then i must start everything from the beginning and it works again, but it's quite tiring to reinstall everything everytime
[05:19] <kevor> smbmount //computername/user password=pass user=user gid=me uid=me
[05:19] <CookedGryphon> carajean206: log in as root
[05:19] <kemik> carajean206: "sudo chmod -R a+rwx /*" <- tho it's highly not recommended
[05:20] <kevor> oh and a mountpoint in there somewhwere :P
[05:20] <asfra> hi, I have a problem with a process called gnome-video-thu, frequently it uses almost all my memory and causes the system to stall if I don't shut it down. What does this process do and is it a normal behavior?
[05:20] <ray_> carajean206: where are you trying to create a folder...........never log in as root
[05:20] <CookedGryphon> surely it would b easier to log in as root while installing then go back
[05:20] <Seveas> asfra, gnome-video-thumbnailer is the full name
[05:20] <CookedGryphon> fine then, sudo everything
[05:20] <carajean206> im tryin to creat it in /home/carajean
[05:20] <kemik> carajean206: or "sudo -s" "sudo su" or just use "sudo" prefixed
[05:20] <dalamar> the nvidia thing should be easy as well, im using an ancient nvidia card and the drivers work fine for me
[05:20] <oonoon> Seveas: i hoped it wouldn't be so with linux, indeed, everytime i modify something i make backup from the original files and it doesn't seem to be enough, ;when installing rep, i don't know how many things are out of control and deeply modifying the system without my permission
[05:21] <CookedGryphon> logging in as root is fine if ure not an imbecile
[05:21] <carajean206> going through the file system
[05:21] <ray_> carajean206: oh so you must be root already
[05:21] <asfra> Seveas: ok, does it create thumbnails?
[05:21] <carajean206> well i am
[05:21] <wickedpuppy> anyone here knows how to rar ?
[05:21] <oonoon> Seveas:it's not that far of the windows way of life
[05:21] <Seveas> asfra, yes
[05:21] <carajean206> if i was i could make the folder but it says i dont have permission
[05:21] <kemik> carajean206: "ls -lha" will let you see which user/group is owner and which filepermissions are set
[05:21] <Seveas> oonoon, that has not been my experience and i fiddle around a lot with (ub)installing packages
[05:21] <dalamar> sudo mkdir
[05:22] <kemik> carajean206: and you really should readup about filepermissions/owners etc
[05:22] <asfra> Seveas: ok, thanks.. but anyway, it uses alot of memory and almost no CPU?
[05:22] <Seveas> asfra, it should run only for a few milliseconds...
[05:22] <Seveas> otherwise it is stuck somewhere and should be killed
[05:22] <CookedGryphon> carajean: sudo chmod a+rwx <directory>
[05:22] <kemik> Seveas: tried compiling rhythmbox 0.9.0 from source?
[05:22] <carajean206> thanks that worked
[05:23] <CookedGryphon> which one>/
[05:23] <Seveas> kemik, hehe, no :)
[05:23] <kemik> carajean206: well, doing "sudo mkdir" is perhaps not what you want, since now you've created yet another "root" folder in your homedirectory
[05:23] <CookedGryphon> ?*
[05:23] <ray_> YUP
[05:23] <dalamar> you should be able to create any dir in your home directory without sudo
[05:24] <dalamar> its elsewhere in the filesystem it should be needed
[05:24] <kevor> carajean206: when you use sudo, be sure what ur doing, don't go creating maps/removing maps or files with sudo
[05:24] <oonoon> Seveas: u don't believe pieces of old removed package still remain somewhere?
[05:24] <ompaul> ACTION points at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/search?SearchableText=samba&Title=&Description=&created%3Adate=1970%2F02%2F01+00%3A00%3A00+GMT&created_usage=range%3Amin&pt_toggle=%23&portal_type%3Alist=AmazonItem&portal_type%3Alist=Discussion+Item&portal_type%3Alist=Document&portal_type%3Alist=Event&portal_type%3Alist=Favorite&portal_type%3Alist=File&portal_type%3Alist=Folder&portal_type%3Alist=HelpCenter&portal_type%3Alist=HelpCenterDefin
[05:25] <ompaul> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1475 <-- should have read that
[05:25] <Seveas> oonoon, if you don't purge them they will remain...
[05:25] <ompaul> that was the result of my search for samba
[05:25] <kevor> oonoon: IF there are pieces left, they are not loaded anymore, like windows loads every DLL it's comes across. So the speed is not downgraded by the amount of packages installed
[05:25] <oonoon> Seveas: how do u purge them?
[05:25] <Seveas> sudo aptitude purge $package
[05:25] <Seveas> sudo apt-get remove --purge $package
[05:26] <Seveas> (either one)
[05:26] <Seveas> or 'mark for complete removal' in synaptic
[05:26] <kevor> Seveas: apt-get remove package only removes that exact package?
[05:26] <Seveas> or dpkg -P
[05:26] <Seveas> kevor, yes
[05:26] <Seveas> kevor, well, packages that depend on it will be removed too
[05:26] <kemik> even M$ has confessed that windows systems go sluggish with time
[05:26] <Seveas> but that's logical :)
[05:26] <BodaciousB> does anyone know when breezy badger is going to be released?
[05:26] <kevor> hmm
[05:26] <Seveas> oct. 13
[05:26] <kemik> was an article on Ars about windowsvista =)
[05:26] <Seveas> BodaciousB: A new Ubuntu version is released every six months (in april and october). Each release is supported for at least 18 months with security updates.
[05:27] <kevor> kemik: would be stupid to say otherwize, they would be lying
[05:27] <kemik> BodaciousB: you've got that scripted ? =)
[05:27] <BodaciousB> Seveas, thanks, i gues ill go ahead and reformat now then =)
[05:27] <Seveas> VISTA Viruses Insecurities Spyware Trojans Adware
[05:27] <kemik> heh
[05:27] <kemik> well, cant really blame MS for all of those
[05:27] <CookedGryphon> oct 13, ace i'll b at uni then with a decent internet connection so it won't take 5 days to dl
[05:27] <ompaul> Seveas, that is nice :)
[05:27] <kemik> spyware/trojans/adware/viruses comes with being the major player i guess
[05:28] <Seveas> kemik,
[05:28] <Seveas> no
[05:28] <kevor> Seveas: if there will ever be spyware for linux, running Firefox as another user will totally be secure VS spyware?
[05:28] <Seveas> it's becuae windows is inherently less secure...
[05:28] <hopeng> when breezy out, will hoary user can ezly update it to breezy without loosing any settings ?
[05:28] <Seveas> hopeng, there is a one-line upgrade possible :)
[05:28] <hopeng> what is one-line Seveas ?
[05:28] <Seveas> that it takes one linr in the terminal
[05:28] <Seveas> lene*
[05:28] <Seveas> line*
[05:28] <Seveas> dang :|
[05:29] <CookedGryphon> that's a point, is there any way i could install this OS to a laptop, keeping all my settings wihtout having to spend ages doing everytihgnagain?
[05:29] <kemik> Seveas: i think that's not really a *fact* but merely your open-source opinion :)
[05:29] <hopeng> wow, thx for making this oneline feature
[05:29] <EasterSunshine> hopeng: you can already upgrade, it your /etc/apt/sources.list, replace hoary with breezy and sudo-apt-get update, or upgrade, one of those
[05:29] <dalamar> i love when your on the web and some popup that looks like a system message comes up saying 'you need a registry clean!' thats funny to me ;) I think haha spamming bastards, I have no registry!
[05:29] <kevor> CookedGryphon: just backup ur homedir, all usersettings are stored there
[05:29] <Seveas> CookedGryphon, ubuntu never has to be reinstalled if you don't do stupid things like testing a development version too early :)
[05:29] <EasterSunshine> hopeng: but like everyone advises against upgrading to breezy
[05:29] <kemik> Breezy isnt stable
[05:29] <Seveas> dalamar, wrong
[05:29] <Seveas> you have a registry
[05:29] <kemik> so success is not granted
[05:30] <hopeng> yes EasterSunshine, i take the advice too, i wont upgrade it until oct 13
[05:30] <dalamar> not like what they are talking about though
[05:30] <|OverKiLL|> How I Can Write Files To NTFS From UBUNTU ?
[05:30] <Seveas> true :)
[05:30] <Seveas> |OverKiLL|, not.
[05:30] <ray_> will kubuntu be released the same time as ubuntu
[05:30] <kemik> |OverKiLL|: it's not recommended
[05:30] <Seveas> ray_, yes, and edubuntu too
[05:30] <|OverKiLL|> :(
[05:30] <CookedGryphon> seveas + kevor: i mean when i get a new computer, laptop, and i want to keep all my packages that i've installed cos i have a slow internet connection n can't b bothered dling them again
[05:30] <kemik> |OverKiLL|: take a look at "Captive" it will let you write, but i dont think it's an easy install
[05:30] <hopeng> issit possible to install kde in this gnome ?
[05:30] <EasterSunshine> hopeng: oct 13 is almost my birthday so i think of breezy as my birthday present, not to be conceited and think it was made for me, but you know what i mean
[05:30] <tyler_> someone help me to install k3b
[05:30] <snorks> Does anyone here use a Logitech MX700 mouse?
[05:31] <kevor> CookedGryphon: apt-get has a storage dir for all .debs, dunno where it is, but you could backup that dir
[05:31] <funkyHat> tyler, sudo apt-get install k3b
[05:31] <hopeng> EasterSunshine LOL, its not for u :p
[05:31] <pirast> tyler: sudo apt-get install k3b
[05:31] <wickedpuppy> tyler_, try sudo apt-get install k3b
[05:31] <Seveas> hopeng, you can have both gnome and kde installed at the same time, the recommended way is installing the kubuntu-desktop metapackage
[05:31] <funkyHat> * tyler_
[05:31] <ray_> hopeng: yup.........sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:31] <EasterSunshine> hopeng: you don't install kde in gnome, they are both different windows managers
[05:31] <dalamar> wow look at that support! ;)
[05:31] <tyler_> this command
[05:31] <hopeng> wtf ill get it now!
[05:31] <tyler_> gime me error
[05:31] <funkyHat> what was the error?
[05:31] <pirast> which error?
[05:31] <kemik> Seveas: if i want to run QT applications in Gnome, what's the magic i need?
[05:31] <EasterSunshine> kemik: kde libs?
[05:31] <ompaul> |OverKiLL|, or get some program that supports ext3 from within Windows, ohh look you have freedom to deal with Linux but it appears that you do not have freedom to work the other way
[05:31] <pirast> nothing..
[05:32] <pirast> apt installs the magic
[05:32] <Seveas> kemik, installing them :)
[05:32] <dalamar> like when you install k3b in gnomew it installs all the qt libs etc you need
[05:32] <|OverKiLL|> I Need Tutorial How Configure Lilo!!
[05:32] <tyler_> other packets
[05:32] <Seveas> |OverKiLL|, drop the caps...
[05:32] <funkyHat> ompaul, there is an installable driver for ext2/3 for windows NT, it's read-only though
[05:32] <tyler_> not installed
[05:32] <|OverKiLL|> ok
[05:32] <snorks> whats the channelname of the amd64 version of ubuntu_
[05:32] <kemik> EasterSunshine: mmh.. k guess i'll see with all broken dependencies :)
[05:32] <snorks> ?
[05:32] <hopeng> if adobe make photoshop in linux, ill wipe out my windows partition for sure
[05:32] <kemik> !lilp
[05:32] <ubotu> Not a clue, kemik
[05:32] <kemik> !lilo
[05:32] <ubotu> kemik: I don't know
[05:32] <wickedpuppy> hopeng, you can install photoshop in linux ...
[05:33] <|OverKiLL|> !lilo
[05:33] <dubnium> are sources down at the moment, us.archive.ubuntu.com? i can't install packages at the moment
[05:33] <kemik> hopeng: use Wine and install PS
[05:33] <pirast> hopeng, with qemu and kqemu you can run windows in linux
[05:33] <snorks> isn't gimp a good rival?
[05:33] <tyler_> someone can pass me his sources.list
[05:33] <tyler_> ?
[05:33] <kemik> snorks: yeah, but it's not PS... :)
[05:33] <DJ_Mirage> snorks, no it isnt, it lacks certain functionality
[05:33] <kevor> hopeng: use gimp, it has almost al lthe functionalities of PS
[05:33] <kemik> !sources
[05:33] <ubotu> sources are at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[05:33] <pirast> hopeng and you can use crossover x office, as i know wine is not nice for running ps
[05:33] <kemik> there you go tyler_
[05:33] <snorks> what is the name of the ubuntuamd64 #channel?
[05:34] <oonoon> when i connect another user through samba, it doesn't appear with finger command
[05:34] <pirast> I dont know if there is one
[05:34] <Seveas> snorks, #ubuntu
[05:34] <EasterSunshine> snorks: i think it is #ubuntu
[05:34] <hopeng> i tried installing photoshop 7 using wine, cedega, crossoveroffice, but it has a minor bug, for ex: u cant drag the brush, coz the 'ink' won't come out.
[05:34] <|OverKiLL|> i need lilo configuration tutorial...
[05:34] <pirast> mom
[05:34] <Seveas> |OverKiLL|, www.tldp.org has one iirc
[05:34] <pirast> you could trie qemu qith kqemu
[05:34] <Seveas> but why use lilo?
[05:34] <hopeng> kevor, im having real trouble usign gimp. have to start all over again
[05:34] <pirast> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=39513&page=1&highlight=qemu+kqemu
[05:34] <ompaul> |OverKiLL|, you should have a look at grub
[05:35] <|OverKiLL|> I Can't install grub
[05:35] <dubnium> Could not connect to us.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (82.211.81.151). - connect (111 Connection refused) [IP: 82.211.81.151 80] can anyone tell me if they are having trouble with an apt-get update?
[05:35] <|OverKiLL|> fatal error
[05:35] <pirast> you should install kqemu, without kqemu the performance is bad
[05:35] <Seveas> dubnium, try another mirror until the server is back up
[05:35] <kevor> hopeng: i did too, but you will notice most Icons are the same, and when you find the names for the stuff you want, it'll suit you real fine real fast
[05:35] <pirast> you could sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:35] <pirast> the delete the .us
[05:35] <pirast> us.
[05:35] <dubnium> i'll just wait, im install mplayer and there too many required packages
[05:36] <ompaul> dubnium, ie. is fast - very very fast sits in heanet.ie
[05:36] <smurfix> dubnium: works from here
[05:36] <smurfix> so either they're back up or you have a broken proxy. ;-)
[05:36] <dubnium> hmm
[05:36] <hopeng> kevor, one thing i hate the most is i usualy pressed spacebar to move the area in PS, annd this & other shortcut isnt the same in gimp :(
[05:37] <CookedGryphon> I still can't get w32 codecs, and when i try compile xmms it comes up with some glib error, and it won't dl from synaptic, mplayer play s the files but i can't get the gui bit to work so can#'t build up a library of my tracks, and it cuts out the ding on gaim when tis playing and... bugger this, i'm oging outside, real world n all that
[05:37] <kevor> get used to it :P
[05:38] <hopeng> thats the harddest part
[05:38] <kevor> hopeng: you will notice gimp is much faster
[05:38] <hopeng> :(
[05:38] <tyler_> no
[05:38] <hopeng> kevor, major problem is my officemate using PS CS...
[05:38] <tyler_> dependence
[05:38] <tyler_> of other packets
[05:38] <kevor> funny, a guy at work had a picture, he was going to "paint shop"
[05:39] <kevor> so i watched, he did infact launced MSPAINT and started tweaking the pictuer
[05:39] <kevor> hehehe
[05:39] <funkyHat> tyler_, read the questions carefully and input a 'y' to say yes to installing it
[05:39] <tyler_> funkyhat
[05:39] <kevor> hopeng: isn't there a crossprogram format that supports layers?
[05:40] <smurfix> ompaul: "fast" depends on where you are. For dubnium, a server in Ireland might not be a good choice, even if you and me can get to it fast.
[05:40] <tyler_> please visit
[05:40] <tyler_> http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/1476
[05:40] <tyler_> there is my error
[05:40] <funkyHat> can you pastebin from the apt-get command?
[05:40] <tyler_> yes
[05:40] <dubnium> whats another mirror?
[05:41] <tyler_> this
[05:41] <tyler_> is
[05:41] <tyler_> apt-get install k3b
[05:41] <smurfix> dubnium: us1.archive.ubuntu.com for instance
[05:41] <kevor> funkyHat: what do you mean with that? >>'ing it to a txtfile and putting it on pastebin? (just curious)
[05:41] <dalamar> how do you change file association in gnome? ie using something other than totem to play movies?
[05:41] <smurfix> dubnium: sorry, us2
[05:42] <smurfix> us1 == us
[05:42] <funkyHat> kevor, it's | not >>, and there is a link to the script i was talking about on paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[05:42] <ompaul> smurfix true, but always worth a try
[05:42] <kevor> oh cewl, nice
[05:42] <dubnium> do i need to comment out the others, or just leave them alone?
[05:43] <funkyHat> kevor, save 'pastebin' in your ~, do sudo ./pastebin --install
[05:43] <dubnium> smurfix, and thats http not ftp correct?
[05:43] <funkyHat> and read the file too, instructions on how to save settings for it are there
[05:44] <smurfix> dubnium: I just tested http, but both should work
[05:44] <funkyHat> dalamar, right click on a file of the type in question, click properties, and click the 'open with' tab
[05:44] <smurfix> generally http is (a) faster and (b) doesn't have firewall issues
[05:46] <kevor> funkyHat: i have no use of that script, but it's nice
[05:46] <dalamar> funkyHat, thank you, will that associate all of say .avi the same way?
[05:46] <funkyHat> yes
[05:46] <dalamar> nice
[05:46] <funkyHat> :)
[05:47] <dalamar> i have troubles with totem locking on me if i try to move it for some reason, going to use xine instead
[05:47] <ray_> xine is cool
[05:47] <dubnium> ...hmm having problems connect to us2 as well... the both stop around 60%
[05:47] <dalamar> kind of an older version in the repos but still works fine
[05:47] <dubnium> probably my shitty router
[05:47] <carajean206> hey guys how to forcefully eject my cd-rom drive?
[05:48] <dalamar> sudo umount /dev/cdrom
[05:48] <EasterSunshine> carajean206: you have to unmount it first
[05:48] <carajean206> ok i unmounted it
[05:48] <dalamar> now just hit your eject button
[05:48] <wickedpuppy> carajean206, if you eject it by right clicking on the icon on the desktop ... it will unmount and eject both at the same time
[05:49] <smurfix> carajean206: or use the handy "eject" command ;-)
[05:49] <carajean206> oohh cool thanks
[05:49] <somedude_> Hey!
[05:50] <oonoon> when i modify a file, i see the same file with ~ that appears ; where does it come from ?
[05:50] <wickedpuppy> its backup file
[05:50] <wickedpuppy> emacs usually does it
[05:50] <wickedpuppy> :P
[05:50] <dalamar> another quick question, when I boot and get to my login screen, the nvidia logo and the login screen itself are offset to the right like a good inch or so and its just black on the left, but when X loads everything is on the screen fine .. can I fix this somehow?
[05:51] <wickedpuppy> dalamar, i got the same problem as you ... i got black space on left and right
[05:51] <wickedpuppy> if you found the answer pls tell me too :P
[05:51] <miq> hi
[05:51] <dalamar> yeah like its not a big deal it just seems wierd that the desktop loads fine but the login is wacked out
[05:51] <Grat> ellow miq
[05:51] <funkyHat> dalamar, it's not really, they are completely separate programs
[05:52] <miq> i recently installed ubuntu on two brand-new athlon64 machines (the x86 version)
[05:52] <dalamar> ah okay
[05:52] <miq> and faced the one problem:
[05:52] <somedude_> i cant se any text in the "black boxes" on this page: http://ubuntuguide.org/#installsamba using Firefox (winxp).. ??? Is it me or the webmaster?
[05:52] <funkyHat> actually dalamar, reading your problem, that is a bit strange...
[05:52] <miq> dma access could not be enabled for the ide-devices
[05:53] <miq> one board had an nforce4 the other an via K800 or something chipset
[05:53] <dalamar> well its done it before and after the nvidia drivers were installed and that didnt seem to change anything
[05:53] <miq> the "fix" for my nforce4 machine was to compile the amd-ide driver *into* the kernel
[05:54] <miq> and not using it as a module
[05:54] <miq> so it *could* be a kernel bug
[05:54] <miq> is something like that known?
[05:54] <miq> i found one or two similar hints on the net
[05:55] <funkyHat> miq, did you say you were using the x86 version? not the x86-64 version?
[05:55] <funkyHat> _that_ could be the bug ;)
[05:55] <miq> well, athlon64 are quite able to run 32-bit OSes
[05:56] <funkyHat> yes, but why should ubuntu 32 bit be configured to work correctly on a 64 bit machine, when there is a 64 bit version available?
[05:56] <kevor> but at same performance as a 32-bit system ;)
[05:56] <miq> and i want to run the 32bit one because some crucial stuff like w32codecs are much easier to run on 32bit
[05:56] <miq> and flashplugin etc.
[05:57] <miq> currently the 32bit ubuntu is much less of an hassle
[05:57] <miq> i tried the amd64 one before
[05:57] <miq> imho its not "there" yet
[05:58] <funkyHat> miq, not having a dig, but my response would be to notify people about the issues with the x86-64 version, rather than post bugs about the x86 version running on amd64
[05:58] <miq> funkyHat: well, the issues about x86-64 are well known
[05:58] <funkyHat> more likely to get what you ultimately want quicker that way :)
[05:59] <miq> and i don't think that the DMA issue has anything todo with 64 vs 32 bit
[05:59] <biteme> how do install a .deb from a cd that is not a offical debian or ubunta cd
[05:59] <miq> i could use a 32-bit sempron on a board with the same chipset
[06:00] <Grat> biteme: use dpkg
[06:00] <unforcer> Hey could someone tell me what is "si xx%" when I write to to terminal because it is taking everything and ubuntu is lag like grazy?
[06:00] <unforcer> top*
[06:00] <stizoner> i think 64bit you have to expect its unstable
[06:00] <yccheok> how i can check is there any process occupy my sound output?
[06:00] <biteme> how do i use dpkg grat,i am new to linux
[06:00] <Grat> biteme: dpkg -i file.deb
[06:01] <wickedpuppy> biteme, dpkg -i package.deb
[06:01] <wickedpuppy> !dpkg
[06:01] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, dpkg is the Debian Package Manager: sudo dpkg --install package.deb
[06:01] <miq> stizoner: one more reason to currently use the 32bit ubuntu (like I do)
[06:01] <wickedpuppy> why don't they call dpkg dpm ?
[06:01] <wickedpuppy> ... weird
[06:01] <biteme> do i do this as root or user at the bash command prompt
[06:02] <miq> i just wanted to hear if my problem is known or other people can confirm it
[06:02] <dalamar> if doing it as user just put 'sudo' in front of it
[06:02] <wickedpuppy> biteme, sudo
[06:02] <Grat> biteme: as root in the command prompt or sudo dkpg -i file.deb
[06:02] <yccheok> how i can check is there any process occupy my sound output? since when i open mplayer, there are no sound
[06:03] <biteme> thanks for the help
[06:03] <wickedpuppy> yccheok, no sound at all ?? i mean from other programs as well ?
[06:03] <Grat> biteme: no problem ;>
[06:04] <CarinArr> hey i have a small question, i have two fat partitions on a sata drive, i have included them in fstab to mount to /media/data1 and /media/data2 but when i start my computer up it tries to mount them but says there are no /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2
[06:04] <wickedpuppy> unforcer, there is no command name si ...
[06:04] <unforcer> What does "si 60%" mean when you write top in terminal
[06:04] <CarinArr> however, if i do mount -a once it's started they mount file
[06:04] <Angrod> how can i watch movies online? like this one right here: http://media.putfile.com/karatemaster_0001 in firefox it says i need a plugin (windows media player)
[06:05] <snorks> exit
[06:05] <CarinArr> angrod, well you can install windows media player for online streaming using crossover office
[06:05] <yccheok> wickedpuppy: yes. i noe this problem will solve after i restart. but i dun want to do tat since i am running some time consuming simulation. how can i check which process occupy my sound resource?
[06:05] <Angrod> CarinArr: how? :D
[06:05] <biteme> To wickedpuppy i have the same problem i am using a sound blaster 16
[06:05] <nubbe> is it good to run kdeinit before k3b?
[06:05] <Nathanial> I can't ever burn any cd in GnomeBaker
[06:05] <glick> Angrod, xmms plugin
[06:05] <Nathanial> "Blocks total: 359845 Blocks current: 359845 Blocks remaining: 100273
[06:05] <Nathanial> Writing time: 11.526s
[06:05] <Nathanial> cdrecord: fifo had 64 puts and 0 gets.
[06:05] <Nathanial> cdrecord: fifo was 0 times empty and 1 times full, min"
[06:05] <wickedpuppy> wha two sound problems ...
[06:05] <Nathanial> Is what I get each time when I get a failed message
[06:05] <CarinArr> angrod, well you install crossover office and ask it to install wmp;) it's not freeware tough, dunno another way
[06:05] <biteme> to wickedpuppy ya
[06:06] <karim__> hi
[06:06] <wickedpuppy> !sound
[06:06] <ubotu> I heard sound is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063 or http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/
[06:06] <wickedpuppy> well ... :P
[06:06] <wickedpuppy> lazy me
[06:06] <unforcer> wickedpuppy, http://koti.mbnet.fi/digitalx/murobbs/Kuvakaappaus.png in the right corner? 52.5% si
[06:06] <Angrod> hmm, then xmms plugin sounds better :x where can i get that glick ?
[06:06] <biteme> does any one about ipchains
[06:06] <wickedpuppy> Angrod, how you know it needs windows media player ?
[06:06] <wickedpuppy> !ipchain
[06:06] <ubotu> wickedpuppy: Wish i knew
[06:06] <glick> Angrod, the repositories search for it in synaptic
[06:06] <Angrod> wickedpuppy: firefox says so :P
[06:06] <CarinArr> does anyone know why my computer can't find /dev/sda1 and 2 when using fstab when it works fine once the computer has booted? they're sata fat partitions
[06:07] <wickedpuppy> Angrod, i am there .. where it says it requires wmp ?
[06:07] <Angrod> well, here there is this bigg "window" that says i dont have this pluggin
[06:07] <Nathanial> Does anybody understand the Gnome Baker error message "Blocks total: 359845 Blocks current: 359845 Blocks remaining: 100273
[06:07] <Nathanial> Writing time: 11.526s
[06:07] <Nathanial> cdrecord: fifo had 64 puts and 0 gets.
[06:07] <Nathanial> cdrecord: fifo was 0 times empty and 1 times full, min" ?
[06:07] <EasterSunshine> ah i remember why i didn't install firefox...60 megs
[06:07] <nerp[away] > !ipchains
[06:07] <Angrod> s i press it to download it
[06:07] <ubotu> Wish i knew, nerp[away]
[06:07] <EasterSunshine> thats most of my hdd
[06:07] <nerp[away] > !iptables
[06:07] <ubotu> nerp[away] : I haven't a clue
[06:07] <Angrod> and then i says i need wmp
[06:07] <wickedpuppy> unforcer, si ?
[06:08] <unforcer> what does the "si" stand for?
[06:08] <miq> unforcer: good question...
[06:08] <Grat> .si stands for slovenia :>
[06:08] <biteme> to wicked puppy check at back of card for any wheel as with my soundcard the card was working but the main sound controller at the back was set min
[06:08] <wickedpuppy> unforcer, no such command as si in my ubuntu
[06:08] <unforcer> argghh..
[06:08] <miq> wickedpuppy: he talk about the "si" field in top
[06:08] <miq> top - 18:05:40 up 5:57, 3 users, load average: 0.09, 0.11, 0.09
[06:08] <miq> Tasks: 89 total, 1 running, 88 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie
[06:08] <miq> Cpu(s): 1.3% us, 0.7% sy, 0.0% ni, 98.0% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.0% si
[06:08] <miq> M
[06:09] <wickedpuppy> i am loading his pic
[06:09] <wickedpuppy> lol
[06:09] <wickedpuppy> its slow
[06:09] <miq> the last one in the Cpu line
[06:09] <unforcer> I have 50% and ubuntu is "laging" like grazy?
[06:09] <unforcer> id must be the idle?
[06:10] <Grat> yes
[06:10] <Grat> us=user, sy=system, id=idle?
[06:10] <unforcer> and si=xxxxx?
[06:10] <biteme> to nerp,how do hide my system from the outside world looking in
[06:10] <miq> yup....and ni= nice
[06:10] <unforcer> :)
[06:10] <karim__> hem how to get libdvdcss2 for ppc ?
[06:11] <miq> but the last three are quite new
[06:11] <miq> dunno what they mean
[06:11] <Grat> biteme: firewall?
[06:11] <unforcer> hmmp.. swap? maybe?
[06:12] <miq> unlikely
[06:12] <surfdue> hi
[06:12] <unforcer> and when I am moving my mouse it dosent because ubuntu is lag that much.
[06:12] <surfdue> my audio is really messed up in gnome
[06:12] <biteme> to grat, i have played around with ipchains and found that i turn nettrace an port scans
[06:13] <surfdue> um, i get alot of error sin programs like alsa and esd erros
[06:13] <surfdue> etc
[06:13] <miq> it's in the cpu line, and i don't have swap, now 0.3%si
[06:13] <unforcer> man top dosent tell nothing about those...
[06:13] <surfdue> it wor work etc?
[06:13] <surfdue> can anyonehelp
[06:13] <unforcer> miq, yep
[06:13] <Grat> biteme: nettrace and port scans?
[06:13] <Nathanial> there an alternitive CD burning software for Ubuntu?
[06:13] <miq> unforcer: yeah, i skimmed over man top too...found nothing...
[06:13] <glick> Nathanial, use cdrecord from the commandline its not har
[06:13] <surfdue> ALSA device "defualt" had an error.
[06:14] <Grat> biteme: of course you return port scans. first thing i would do i would dissable ping replys, because that usualy fools nmap. then i would close all ports and open just necesary (filtered if possible)
[06:14] <Nathanial> Will it burn it as an audio CD?
[06:14] <glick> Nathanial, yeah
[06:14] <biteme> to grat using the following commands "/sbins/iptables -A INPUT -s 0/0 -d hostname or ip address -p udp \--dport 33435:33525 -j DROP
[06:14] <glick> if you tell it to
[06:15] <glick> give it the --audio option
[06:15] <Grat> biteme: i dont know. never used iptables for anything more than prerouting :>
[06:16] <biteme> to grat using this command fool tracroute by denying udp packets
[06:17] <miq> unforcer: it could be "swap in"
[06:17] <Grat> biteme: cool. so you cant be traced :>
[06:17] <Nap> hi
[06:17] <dalamar> is the performance of opera ant better than firefox? i know this is an apples vs oranges kind of question but plugins can be a pain and performance in general is rather sluggish with firefox
[06:17] <Lamb_of_God> dalamar: if you dont mind adds opera is nice
[06:18] <washi> hi, I cannot boot properly after a crash. the root fs is mounted read-only.
[06:18] <biteme> to Grat yes i have been hacked before
[06:18] <dalamar> Lamb_of_God, does it still only have them in that small section at the top of the screen?
[06:18] <apollo2011> I am having trouble getting Samba to work on my main computer and the Shared Folders settings windows always is grayed out
[06:19] <Grat> biteme: me too, but only because i was stupid (open ssh and friends password got stolen) :>
[06:19] <biteme> to Grat this hides my ports and running services on my server to the outside world
[06:19] <Lamb_of_God> dalamar: actually if you choose the google ads they are not near as intruding, but still intruding to me
[06:19] <dalamar> ah i see
[06:19] <Grat> biteme: so what else do you need?
[06:19] <apollo2011> I have a partially working smb.conf on my other Ubunt pc but if I copy it over it doesn't help any
[06:19] <Lamb_of_God> dalamar: to answer your question, if you choose the banner ads yes
[06:19] <Lamb_of_God> apollo2011: why is that?
[06:19] <apollo2011> Lamb_of_God: dunno
[06:19] <biteme> to Grat in what county are in
[06:20] <Grat> biteme: slovenia
[06:20] <apollo2011> Lamb_of_God: I had it working that it could see other machines but now nothing works
[06:20] <Nap> does somebody use an rt2500-based wifi card ?
[06:20] <miq> unforcer: it could mean "system io" too...
[06:20] <Lamb_of_God> apollo2011: did you put it in the correct spot?
[06:20] <apollo2011> Lamb_of_God: yeah, /etc/samba/smb.conf
[06:20] <Nap> sometimes my connection is lost, and I must reboot my pc
[06:20] <washi> I ran fsck from a LiveCD.
[06:20] <biteme> mexico
[06:20] <Lamb_of_God> apollo2011: and now samba doesnt work at all?
[06:21] <surfdue> Can anyone tell me what sound drivers i need, a pastebin of my lspci is here: http://pastebin.com/342332
[06:21] <apollo2011> Lamb_of_God: well it used to work with my original smb.conf then it didn't, so I tried the one from the other pc and it doesn't help. I restarted samba to with sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[06:21] <unforcer> miq hmm.. I am running laptop
[06:22] <kevor> unforcer: running with a laptop isn't wise :P
[06:22] <washi> When I reboot I get "fsck failed" but I cannot run fsck
[06:22] <apollo2011> Lamb_of_God: the Shared Folders settings window actually freezes and I have to Force Quit it.
[06:22] <Lamb_of_God> apollo2011: type smbtree in the cconsole and give me the output in #flood
[06:22] <Lamb_of_God> hmm
[06:22] <miq> unforcer: well, that does not matter really
[06:22] <unforcer> kevor, well worked with everybody why not with me?
[06:22] <biteme> to Grat how do run apm from my user space (not as root)
[06:22] <apollo2011> Lamb_of_God: It didn't have any output...
[06:22] <LinuxJones> surfdue, looks like snd-intel8x0 drivers
[06:22] <unforcer> running acer aspire 5024WLMi
[06:23] <dalamar> unforcer, he was making a joke, like dont run with your laptop ;)
[06:23] <Lamb_of_God> apollo2011: ok and you are sure the files are open to the network?
[06:23] <unforcer> dalamar, :D
[06:23] <LinuxJones> surfdue, >> http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?module=intel8x0
[06:23] <apollo2011> Lamb_of_God: what do you mean?
[06:23] <Lamb_of_God> apollo2011: well the folders have to be public to the network
[06:23] <biteme> bye-bye
[06:24] <apollo2011> Lamb_of_God: well right now I can't even see the other machines, like the names
[06:24] <apprentice> hello can someone help me boot ubuntu in vmware on windowes?
[06:24] <apollo2011> Lamb_of_God: I even have one Windows PC and that one works fine with the network
[06:24] <unforcer> I am not english, dont get it... so easy :)
[06:24] <Lamb_of_God> apollo2011: on just the current box or all of the boxes?
[06:24] <LinuxJones> surfdue, the modules should already be installed for you can you look at the output of lsmod to see if they are already loaded ?
[06:24] <apollo2011> just the current box can't see anything
[06:24] <apollo2011> Lamb_of_God: actually, the other machines can see it
[06:24] <apollo2011> but not the shares
[06:24] <cyrain> hi
[06:24] <apollo2011> just the name
[06:25] <carajean206> anyone know how to get there weather to work in gdesklet?
[06:25] <cyrain> can someone help me ? ;)
[06:25] <Lamb_of_God> apollo2011: ok and the windows box has file sharing on and is sharing the folder you wanna see
[06:25] <apollo2011> Lamb_of_God: yeah
[06:25] <cyrain> my mouse and keyboard are too slow
[06:25] <Lamb_of_God> cyrain: just ask ;-)
[06:25] <cyrain> thx
[06:25] <Lamb_of_God> apollo2011: ok what is in your smb.conf?
[06:25] <cyrain> I just compiled a new kernel 2.6.12.5
[06:25] <apollo2011> Lamb_of_God: I'll paste bin it...
[06:26] <Lamb_of_God> ok
[06:26] <cyrain> ma graphics card is radeon 9200SE
[06:26] <cyrain> and since that the keyobard types slowly and the mouse is a litle jerky
[06:26] <LinuxJones> cyrain, the default stock Ubuntu kernel doesn't work for you ?
[06:26] <cyrain> I tried xmodeset
[06:26] <Virtual> I have just installed ubuntu but it didn`t ask me for a root password and I don`t know what the root password is
[06:26] <cyrain> it did but I am used to upgrade it regurlarly
[06:27] <cyrain> and I never had any pb before
[06:27] <LinuxJones> Virtual, the root account is locked by default use sudo -s (enter your users password) to get to a root terminal
[06:27] <cyrain> and the strnage part is that even if i reboot with te oldkernel, i stil have te sae behaviour
[06:27] <cyrain> the same behaviour
[06:27] <cyrain> I man
[06:27] <cyrain> mean
[06:27] <_frank> !sudo
[06:27] <ubotu> it has been said that sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:27] <cyrain> (damn keyboard) :(
[06:27] <_frank> Virtual ^^
[06:28] <satafterh> su su sudio
[06:28] <cyrain> I have a wireless logitec desktop
[06:28] <cyrain> and go no errors in syslog, .xsession
[06:28] <LaMaH> hi - is there anyway i can search on Ubuntu homepage, for if it supports some stuff i have in my laptop ?
[06:28] <cyrain> so I'm stuck :(
[06:28] <LinuxJones> cyrain, using your own kernel is alot of work
[06:28] <Duvel> !botsnack
[06:28] <ubotu> thanks duvel :)
[06:28] <Duvel> !botsnack
[06:29] <Lamb_of_God> ubotu: i love you
[06:29] <Virtual> ok thank you LinuxJones
[06:29] <ubotu> Lamb_of_God: Are you on ritalin?
[06:29] <cyrain> yes but I used an make oldconfig before
[06:29] <satafterh> anyone know what that latest stable kernel is and can I update it in kpagage
[06:29] <cyrain> and copiled the 2.6.111 before and it worked okay
[06:29] <kevor> ubotu <3 kevor
[06:29] <ubotu> No idea, kevor
[06:29] <LinuxJones> Virtual, it takes just a few days to get used to using it :)
[06:29] <apollo2011> Lamb_of_God: http://pastebin.com/342337
[06:30] <cyrain> do u know what I could check ?
[06:30] <satafterh> should i use a 386 or 686 kernel?
[06:30] <_frank> satafterh: if you have an intel chip, use 686
[06:30] <LaMaH> AMD64 - 386?
[06:31] <washi> hi, I cannot boot properly after a crash. the root fs is mounted read-only.
[06:31] <carajean206> any help on the desklet for weather?
[06:31] <satafterh> frank: I have a amd 2600+
[06:31] <_frank> amd64 use k7 (or k8 if using Ubuntu64)
[06:31] <Simian> wehre can I find a list of breezy repositories?
[06:31] <_frank> satafterh: use k7 then
[06:31] <Lamb_of_God> apollo2011: idk for sure but line 170 browseable = no
[06:31] <Lamb_of_God> maybe the problem
[06:31] <LinuxJones> cyrain, you probably won't get much help with a custom kernel
[06:31] <cyrain> washi ?
[06:31] <jbull> Simian: by changing hoary in your sources.list to breezy.
[06:31] <washi> I ran fsck from a LiveCD.
[06:31] <surfdue> I cant get alsa to stop erroring
[06:31] <cyrain> umount root
[06:31] <Lamb_of_God> **line 171
[06:31] <surfdue> can anyone help?
[06:32] <cyrain> chkf.ext2 or 3 /root
[06:32] <washi> yes cyrain
[06:32] <cyrain> I mean chkfs.ext2 or 3
[06:32] <Simian> thanks jbull, do they all work?
[06:32] <cyrain> afterunmounting the parttion
[06:32] <_frank> Simian: don't use breezy unless you REALLY know what you're doing!
[06:32] <satafterh> frank: every time i install it i think my nvidia driver stop x from starting, how can i fix this?
[06:32] <washi> is it not the same thing as fsck ?
[06:32] <cyrain> sorry I meant fsck
[06:33] <cyrain> my keyboard sucsfor te moement
[06:33] <dubnium> is it safe to install real player from the repositories or should i use the howto here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061 ??
[06:33] <jbull> Simian: yes. and i echo what _frank just said
[06:33] <washi> the fs is ext3
[06:33] <dubnium> i mean mplayer
[06:33] <cyrain> ok so this makes : fsck.ext3 /root
[06:33] <washi> i cannot unmount or mount the fs
[06:33] <cyrain> after unmount /dev/hdxy corresponding to your root
[06:33] <_frank> satafterh: how do you know it's the nvidia driver the problem?
[06:33] <cyrain> as root your canot unmount it ?
[06:34] <apollo2011> Lamb_of_God: well it didn't help me see the other pcs but I didn't expect it to...
[06:34] <cyrain> ok then
[06:34] <Lamb_of_God> =/
[06:34] <teprrr> hmm, what are the differences between ati and radeon X drivers?
[06:34] <cyrain> boot from the ubuntu cd
[06:34] <LaMaH> ok noone saw what i asked before, but does Ubuntu support these devices - Ralink RT2500 Wireless LAN Card - SmartLink 56k Modem - O2Micro OZ711M1 MemoryCard Bus - AMD64 3700+ (CPU Driver its a laptop and has to speed down in order to preserve battery) - ATi Radeon9700Pro Mobile
[06:34] <cyrain> start the install
[06:34] <_frank> dubnium: using repositories is always better.. ubuntu repositories, that is
[06:34] <washi> it says libpam.so.0 nosuch file...
[06:34] <cyrain> after selecting the keyboard
[06:34] <LaMaH> and sorry for the Bold there :\
[06:34] <teprrr> oh, nm, I'm using radeon.. :P
[06:34] <cyrain> press ctrl + alt + F2 you'll ge a prompt
[06:34] <dubnium> :)
[06:34] <apollo2011> Lamb_of_God: and the other Ubuntu pcs get Folder Contents Could Not Be Displayed...
[06:35] <surfdue> #
[06:35] <surfdue> 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0)
[06:35] <Lamb_of_God> apollo2011: is it wireless lan?
[06:35] <_frank> LaMaH: I don't know about the modem, but my guess for the rest is that it would work
[06:35] <washi> I did run fsck from a LiveCD
[06:35] <satafterh> frank: I have a backup of my xorg.conf from befor i stalled the driver and set up my tv out, when I use the back up it starts fine
[06:35] <washi> successfully
[06:35] <apollo2011> well part of it
[06:35] <LaMaH> _frank okey :) i hope so
[06:35] <pfp> !tell me about repositories
[06:35] <cyrain> then try the fsck again on /dev/hdxy
[06:35] <LaMaH> _frank im downloading it now hehe.. :)
[06:35] <apollo2011> I only use the wifi for the laptop but everything right now is comming over the ethernet network
[06:36] <_frank> LaMaH: wireless LAN cards can be tricky to get to work too..
[06:36] <LaMaH> :(
[06:36] <washi> it fixed the fs but when i reboot from the hd, I cannot boot properly
[06:36] <LaMaH> meaning i have to mess around in the Console and stuff ?
[06:36] <_frank> satafterh: how did you install tv out?
[06:36] <Lamb_of_God> apollo2011: hmm idk from here i would just suggest using the default smb.conf and see what it does
[06:36] <cyrain> ok boot from the cd
[06:37] <washi> and then ?
[06:37] <_frank> satafterh: try to use the nvidia driver without tv out. tv out configuration is not obvious
[06:37] <cyrain> now mount the root fs
[06:37] <satafterh> frank: up as clone in xorg.conf
[06:37] <filip_> how can i setup an ftp-server on my computer. i will that only my frind can download from me. how to do?
[06:37] <EdLin> LaMaH, I'd recommend that you try out the live CD out first to find out if your hardware works, if it does, then use the install CD
[06:37] <cyrain> sorry
[06:37] <LaMaH> :\ that means even more to download
[06:38] <cyrain> after te instal cd has started
[06:38] <cyrain> ctrl+alt+f2
[06:38] <washi> I already tried changing /etc/fstab
[06:38] <cyrain> no
[06:38] <cyrain> you do not need this
[06:38] <washi> why does the boot process mount the root fs read-only then ?
[06:38] <cyrain> chroot /dev/hdxy
[06:39] <cyrain> where /dev/hdxy is your rot partitions
[06:39] <cyrain> where /dev/hdxy is your rot partition
[06:39] <cyrain> do u use grub or lilo ?
[06:39] <washi> grub
[06:39] <EdLin> LaMaH, considering that the install CD erases your entire disk by default I'd reccomend to find out if it works or not before you do that.
[06:39] <cyrain> your boot partitnos is a partitoin by itself or contained in /
[06:40] <washi> I'm not sure. I did the default Ubuntu install
[06:40] <LaMaH> EdLin well its my laptop - nothing of value on that :P
[06:40] <_frank> LaMaH: you could set up a dual boot to install windows and ubuntu side by side
[06:40] <washi> probably in /
[06:40] <cyrain> ok
[06:40] <LaMaH> so dont i dont really care about deleting my HD on it
[06:41] <LaMaH> but i care about downloading two ISO's and that :(
[06:41] <filip_> someone know how to setup one private ftp-server ?
[06:41] <cyrain> does /etc/fsab contains a line with /boot on a sinle line
[06:41] <cyrain> ?
[06:41] <cyrain> sinle -> single
[06:41] <washi> no
[06:41] <cyrain> ok
[06:41] <LaMaH> oh well
[06:41] <LaMaH> im AFK :)
[06:41] <_frank> LaMaH: are you on dial up?
[06:41] <cyrain> so boot is part of /
[06:41] <miq> unforcer: found it
[06:42] <LaMaH> ADSL 2Mbit
[06:42] <LaMaH> but still takes time! :P
[06:42] <washi> yes
[06:42] <miq> http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux/2005-Jan/0761.html
[06:42] <cyrain> now type grub --install /dev/hdxy
[06:42] <miq> softirq
[06:42] <unforcer> jippii
[06:42] <washi> what does it do ?
[06:42] <_frank> cyrain: install grub on partition instead of MBR?
[06:42] <LaMaH> ok one last question - if i download the 64Bit (AMD64) Version of Ubuntu - is it then more dificult installing programs ?
[06:42] <cyrain> hmm
[06:43] <cyrain> did so
[06:43] <LaMaH> like OpenOffice and that
[06:43] <raven3x7> LaMaH, your modem should be supported by the smartlink drivers
[06:43] <washi> do you think my MBR is damaged ?
[06:43] <LaMaH> thx raven3x7 :)
[06:43] <miq> unforcer: so it seems, that your kernel is spending *lots* of time processing interrupts from hardware devices
[06:43] <raven3x7> !tell LaMaH about binary
[06:43] <raven3x7> !binarydrivers
[06:43] <ubotu> raven3x7: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[06:43] <cyrain> I installed by boot on another partition
[06:43] <^^frank^^> breezy: when i try to run firefox I got error:"/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/components/libgfx_gtk.so: undefined symbol: pango_xft_get_font_map
[06:44] <raven3x7> !drivers
[06:44] <flipy> hi
[06:44] <ubotu> drivers is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com//BinaryDriverHowto
[06:44] <flipy> i'm trying to set up a ftp server
[06:44] <miq> unforcer: perhaps some devices share irqs and/or their drivers do some buggy stuff
[06:44] <steph> is the caliu repository dead?
[06:44] <raven3x7> !tell LaMaH about drivers
[06:44] <flipy> my question is, where to put files and how to acess it?
[06:44] <unforcer> miq, thanks can I do something about it
[06:44] <EasterSunshine> quick question...i want to format a number into a string with a certain amount of padding with leading zeros. for example i was "file%s"%num to give "file001" and "file022" for num = 1 and num = 22
[06:44] <cyrain> so I suppose that washi having boot part of / shuold install the boot loader in the mbr
[06:44] <EasterSunshine> oh sry, wrong channel
[06:44] <LaMaH> raven3x7 - i ment if the 64Bit version of Linux is harder to install programs to
[06:44] <LaMaH> than the 32Bit version
[06:44] <flipy> steph: let me check
[06:45] <unforcer> I installed ati drivers :D
[06:45] <washi> cyrain : I tried to change thr grub command after pressing Esc at boot
[06:45] <flipy> steph: workin for me
[06:45] <miq> unforcer: hmmm, dunno, perhaps you can try to assign different irqs to the devices in the bios so not so many irqs are shared
[06:45] <washi> rw instead of ro
[06:45] <cyrain> and ?
[06:45] <cyrain> yes ?
[06:45] <washi> no luck
[06:45] <steph> hmm deb ftp://ftp2.caliu.info/backports?
[06:45] <EdLin> LaMaH, a few windows dlls for programs like mplayer will need a chroot 32 bit setup, but most stuff will work.
[06:45] <miq> or disable devices you dont need (like parallel port or something
[06:45] <raven3x7> LaMaH, generraly yes. im not sure if the smartlink drivers will work out of the box or even at all in 64bit
[06:46] <LaMaH> o.O Windows ?
[06:46] <washi> the fs is still ro so I cannot boot normally
[06:46] <flipy> steph: ftp2 not working
[06:46] <LaMaH> can Ubuntu run Windows programs ?
[06:46] <cyrain> yes : the system put it as ro beacasue I was damaged (AFAIK)
[06:46] <steph> flipy, should i jsut edit it to say ftp?
[06:46] <washi> but I cannot umount it
[06:46] <EdLin> LaMaH, no, I'm refering to mplayer - a media player that uses windows dlls for windows-media and quicktime content
[06:46] <LaMaH> oh
[06:46] <LaMaH> well im gonna DL the 32Bit version of Ubuntu then ;)
[06:47] <miq> unforcer: what does "cat /proc/interrupts" tell you?
[06:47] <EdLin> LaMaH, mplayer isn't even in the official repositories
[06:47] <washi> and after running fsck from a CD it did not make a difference
[06:47] <cyrain> so u can boot only from the cd ?
[06:47] <raven3x7> LaMaH, ubuntu as any gnu/linux distro can run wine which is allows to run quite a few but not all windows programs
[06:48] <cyrain> sa boot from the cd, ctrl+alt+f2
[06:48] <miq> unforcer: you use a stock ubuntu kernel or did you compile one yourself?
[06:48] <cyrain> chroot to your root partition
[06:48] <EdLin> LaMaH, you might need 32 bit for your closed drivers though.
[06:48] <vitriol> do most people with a 64 bit proc still use the 32 bit ubuntu?
[06:48] <LaMaH> hehe yea - im downloading the 32Bit version now
[06:48] <LaMaH> downloading the Live DVD ;)
[06:48] <vitriol> i've tried both
[06:48] <tsw> what is the ubuntu way to setup multiple (three) monitors?
[06:48] <unforcer> miq, stock
[06:48] <_frank> vitriol: that's what I do and it's much easier to use the 32bit version
[06:49] <LaMaH> i just hope Ubuntu isnt too hard to setup using wifi :\
[06:49] <washi> when i boot from the hd (root fs is hda1) I am sent to a root console after fsck failed
[06:49] <vitriol> had trouble only with flash so far in 64 bit....but haven' played with it much yet
[06:49] <cyrain> then type grub
[06:49] <cyrain> you should get a prompt
[06:49] <vitriol> _frank: what sort of problems should i expect with the 64 bit version?
[06:49] <gabriel> hi there is there a dumeter edition for linux?
[06:49] <vitriol> _frank: besides flash
[06:49] <unforcer> How can I even update my kernel?
[06:49] <cyrain> how many hd on your mahcine ?
[06:49] <nightmaster> is theere an autoprobe X config?
[06:49] <washi> one : laptop
[06:49] <miq> unforcer: is something with much disk IO running (cd, dvd, movie-stuff)?
[06:49] <cyrain> ok
[06:49] <carajean206> ok does anyone know the correct way to install the newest nvidia drivers?
[06:50] <carajean206> for my graphics
[06:50] <cyrain> after the prompt from grub type root (hd0,0)
[06:50] <cyrain> then setup (hd0)
[06:50] <miq> unforcer: don't do it unless you know, what your doing and it is the only fix for your problem
[06:50] <miq> :-)
[06:50] <alex__> is there any pd user here ? I have installed it but as said in the mailing, there is a bug in ubuntu so that there is the esd process to kill before starting pd, I have ps -fA |grep esd but I did not find anything, any suggestion welcome
[06:50] <raven3x7> carajean206, you would have to get the drivers from nvidia's site
[06:50] <dalamar> the ubuntuguide.org worked fine for installing my nvidia drivers, though I dont know if they are newest (they didnt come off thier website)
[06:50] <EdLin> aptitude install nvidia-glx, then run the nvidia configuration program (you'll see it if you type nv plus a tab, forgot the name)
[06:50] <vitriol> oh another difference i've noted with the 64 bit ubuntu and 32 bit versions is that gadmin hardlocks my system in 32 bit, but this problem doesn't exist in 64 bit ubuntu
[06:50] <vitriol> don't know why :(
[06:50] <_frank> vitriol: if you want flash animations in firefox, play .wmv, .mov, or others you will need to work to get it to work
[06:50] <washi> from the admin "Control-D to exit" console ?
[06:50] <EdLin> raven3x7, it's better to get the Ubuntu ones.
[06:51] <cyrain> not yet
[06:51] <_frank> vitriol: basically you need to setup a chroot, a 32bit installation of ubuntu within the 64bit version
[06:51] <raven3x7> EdLin, sure if anything else they are easier to install but their not the latest
[06:51] <vitriol> _frank: ok...i guess i can deal with that :) not too much choice....
[06:51] <nightmaster> is there a way for x to autoprobe for devices plz
[06:51] <cyrain> type qui
[06:51] <washi> from the CD ?
[06:51] <cyrain> quit
[06:51] <nightmaster> is there a way for x to autoprobe for devices plz
[06:51] <carajean206> ok raven i have gotten that far but when i follow there instuctions nothing happens
[06:51] <_frank> vitriol: what do you mean, not too much choice?
[06:51] <unforcer> miq, nothing is running nothing but eth0 is comming in to xchat
[06:52] <EdLin> raven3x7, Ubuntu's nvidia drivers are the only ones that don't give my TNT2 card trouble.
[06:52] <cyrain> I' m sorry I've got to go but
[06:52] <_frank> vitriol: some programs are more unstable in 64 bit
[06:52] <washi> quit : command not found
[06:52] <nightmaster> is there a way for x to autoprobe for devices plz
[06:52] <vitriol> _frank: i'm having a problem with the 32 bit ubuntu
[06:52] <cyrain> :)
[06:52] <eruin> does anyone have good links to cairo showoff sites?
[06:52] <cyrain> did u have the gurb prompt ?
[06:52] <cyrain> http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=975
[06:52] <eruin> ie talks/demos from guadec and the like
[06:52] <vitriol> _frank: only on 32 bit install does gadmin freeze on me and hard lock my system
[06:52] <_frank> vitriol: you will have more, not less with 64 bit, I'm sure
[06:52] <cyrain> explains the stes I hust gae u
[06:52] <cyrain> just gave you
[06:52] <cyrain> steps
[06:52] <nightmaster> is there a way for x to autoprobe for devices plz
[06:52] <vitriol> _frank: i have no clue why gadmin doesn't freeze my computer in 64 bit ubuntu
[06:52] <cyrain> really have to go
[06:53] <gabriel> nobady knows the equal to dumeter bandwidh meter for linux?
[06:53] <washi> thank you cyrain
[06:53] <cyrain> realy sorr :(
[06:53] <raven3x7> EdLin, your card )like my TNT1) is no longer supported since after the 7174 drivers.
[06:53] <Lamb_of_God> cyrain: having problems typing?
[06:53] <vitriol> _frank: thats really the only reason i have for using 64 bit :)
[06:53] <miq> unforcer: hmmm
[06:53] <vitriol> _frank: i didn't notice an performance difference
[06:53] <wjesusaxl> zup fellows
[06:53] <carajean206> ok can u guys tell me how to correctly install them
[06:53] <carajean206> ?
[06:53] <CookedGryphon> i'm compiling mplayer from source, i already compiled it before but am trying to recompile with the gui enabled, it keeps coming up with somehting needs config.h, but i thought configure jsut made that file, it ran through no errors
[06:53] <washi> lamb_of_god you want to take over cyrain ?
[06:53] <Lamb_of_God> will breeze support PPC64?
[06:53] <miq> unforcer: really hard to find out what to do....
[06:53] <_frank> vitriol: ok... I had severe problems with media players to in 64 bit. like kaffeine would always crash
[06:53] <Lamb_of_God> washi: huh?
[06:53] <raven3x7> EdLin, and my card for some reason doesnt work with the ubuntu drivers either
[06:53] <EdLin> raven3x7, well, that's why I use, and recommend, the Ubuntu drivers. Plus they are easier to install.
[06:54] <vitriol> _frank: my media players are crashing in 64 bit as well
[06:54] <EdLin> raven3x7, bummer
[06:54] <Lamb_of_God> washi: what do you need i will see if i can help
[06:54] <dubnium> cookedgryphon, im installing now from repositories, why not just do that?
[06:54] <washi> do you have an idea that could help me boot normally?
[06:54] <gabriel> how do you mesure bandwith in linux=
[06:54] <unforcer> miq, there is thread in ubuntu forum for acer aspire 5024.. I just cannot find it
[06:54] <_frank> vitriol: and if you want any 32 bit games to run (basically every game), you need to set them up in the chroot.
[06:54] <apprentice> is there a way for x to autoprobe for devices plz
[06:54] <_frank> vitriol: what is gadmin?
[06:54] <CookedGryphon> dubnium: cos i already have the source and a sloooow internet connection
[06:54] <Lamb_of_God> washi: why cant you?
[06:55] <dubnium> i see
[06:55] <vitriol> _frank: i have no clue...i just know that as i watch top, it freezes my computer by eating the cpu
[06:55] <Nathanial> hi when I put a blank CD into my CD burner, CD/DVD Creator comes up, is there a way to burn audio CD's with this?
[06:55] <washi> The computer crashed an i cannot boot properly since then
[06:55] <vitriol> _frank: it's something that runs in gnome
[06:55] <washi> the fs is mounted read only
[06:55] <raven3x7> carajean206, what do you mean nothing happens? did you change you xorg.conf?
[06:55] <Lamb_of_God> washi: explain deeper plz
[06:55] <vitriol> _frank: if you do ps x | grep gadmin you'll see it running if you're in gnome
[06:55] <washi> i ran fsck from a live cd
[06:55] <wjesusaxl> I have an error when I try to compile center icq configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables
[06:55] <_frank> vitriol: i don't run gnome. did you try killing that program?
[06:55] <Lamb_of_God> washi: what crashed? why did it crash?
[06:55] <washi> then when i reboot i get fsck failed
[06:56] <vitriol> _frank: yes i did
[06:56] <vitriol> _frank: then everything froze :)
[06:56] <vitriol> _frank: everytime i rebooted and tried it again, i get the same result
[06:56] <CookedGryphon> how can you uninstall summat that u've compiled from source n "make install"ed
[06:56] <CookedGryphon> ?
[06:57] <Lamb_of_God> washi: CookedGryphon rm all of it
[06:57] <washi> Lamb_of_God : my friend pressed the power button to turn the pc off after it froze
[06:57] <wjesusaxl> I've installed centericq already.. but I had problems with MSN protocol.. and I installed it with MSN ... I just fixed my repositories and I want to redo everything again
[06:57] <Nathanial> Does anybody know if you can burn audio CD's with CD/DVD recorder?
[06:57] <wjesusaxl> how can I uninstall centericq?
[06:57] <Lamb_of_God> CookedGryphon rm all of it
[06:57] <washi> i don't get it
[06:57] <Lamb_of_God> washi: so you cant start up ubuntu at all?
[06:58] <wjesusaxl> I downloaded the code and installed it...
[06:58] <wjesusaxl> no apt-get
[06:58] <unforcer> miq, found it http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46853
[06:58] <alex__> can someone tell me how to kill properly the esd process ? ps -fA |grep esd does not find it
[06:58] <CookedGryphon> rm all of it, that's a bit messy int it?
[06:58] <apprentice> how can i reconfigure my X
[06:58] <CookedGryphon> what if its put stuff somewhere n i haven't noticed
[06:58] <alex__> 'esd
[06:58] <alex__> !esd
[06:58] <ubotu> [esd] Enlightened Sound Daemon. By using a sound server to access your sound device, multiple applications can connect to the server at once and all make noise simultaneously.
[06:58] <Lamb_of_God> CookedGryphon: not if you do it right
[06:58] <_frank> CookedGryphon: that's why I use checkinstall instead of make
[06:58] <raven3x7> carajean206 ?
[06:58] <_frank> CookedGryphon: that's why I use checkinstall instead of make install
[06:58] <washi> Lamb_of_God : when i do i get a root console
[06:59] <washi> Lamb_of_God : i cannot umount the root fs to fsck it
[06:59] <washi> Lamb_of_God : the root fs is mounted ro
[06:59] <_frank> CookedGryphon: do a locate program name, it should find pretty much all the files it installed
[06:59] <washi> that's why it doesn't boot normally
[06:59] <Lamb_of_God> washi: try the "exit" command then login
[06:59] <Lamb_of_God> that *should* get you to runlevel 2
[06:59] <unforcer> miq, there is someone saying "As said, kernel 2.6.11-1 from Universe fixes the DMA on the harddisk""
[07:00] <washi> Lamb_of_God : just did exit
[07:00] <CookedGryphon> I may have solved the problem by su ing... i hadn't noticed, that's y it couldn't remove the files it was tryign to copy itself over
[07:00] <Lamb_of_God> washi: did it bring you to a login screen?
[07:00] <washi> Lamb_of_God : yes
[07:00] <unforcer> how can I update kernel to 2.6.11-1?
[07:00] <Lamb_of_God> washi: ok are you logged in?
[07:00] <washi> Lamb_of_God : i can't
[07:01] <Lamb_of_God> washi: why?
[07:01] <washi> Lamb_of_God : error while loading shared libraries
[07:01] <Lamb_of_God> weird
[07:01] <filip_> how can i setup an ftp-server?
[07:01] <washi> Lamb_of_God : libpam.so.0
[07:01] <carajean206> ok guys how to quit x in order to install the new nvidia driver?
[07:02] <Lamb_of_God> carajean206: sudo shutdown now
[07:02] <raven3x7> carajean206, yes
[07:02] <washi> Lamb_of_God : cannot open shared object file
[07:02] <carajean206> also is there a kernal i should install before i do this
[07:02] <raven3x7> Lamb_of_God, huh?
[07:02] <miq> unforcer: i don't know how to do it the "ubuntu"-way
[07:02] <washi> Lamb_of_God : No such file or directory
[07:02] <Lamb_of_God> washi: idk from here sorry
[07:02] <washi> Lamb_of_God : ?
[07:02] <raven3x7> carajean206, sudo killall gdm
[07:02] <Lamb_of_God> raven3x7: to shutdown X you sudo shutdown now
[07:03] <Lamb_of_God> washi: i dont know from here sorry
[07:03] <carajean206> ok now the kernal prob?
[07:03] <washi> Lamb_of_God : thank you anyway
[07:03] <Lamb_of_God> washi: good luck
[07:03] <raven3x7> Lamb_of_God, i guess you;re right
[07:03] <Lamb_of_God> raven3x7: i know
[07:03] <washi> Lamb_of_God : do you think IRC will help me ?
[07:03] <alive> test ... 1.2.3
[07:04] <raven3x7> carajean206, no
[07:04] <alive> works good //
[07:04] <justaguy> (clears throat)
[07:04] <miq> unforcer: well, my synaptic tells me, that there is a 2.6.11 kernel image available
[07:04] <miq> you could try installing that
[07:04] <Lamb_of_God> washi: no idea, there is bound to be someone sometime that knows howto
[07:04] <raven3x7> Lamb_of_God, i just had killall gdm in mind
[07:04] <unforcer> miq, well I am running 2.6.10-5 old?
[07:04] <washi> Lamb_of_God : ok
[07:05] <Lamb_of_God> raven3x7: well its better then what most ppl say ctrl+alt+bckspc
[07:05] <karim__> hi installed mplayer-g4 on power pc but there is no binary !
[07:05] <raven3x7> carajean206, you need the headers though so sudo apt-get install build-essential
[07:05] <miq> unforcer: yeah, hoary comes with 2.6.10 by default
[07:05] <miq> try installing the newer package
[07:05] <carajean206> i did that raven
[07:06] <raven3x7> Lamb_of_God, lol. ctrl+alt+bckspc doesnt work with gnome ;)
[07:06] <carajean206> i also went through syn. and got them
[07:06] <raven3x7> carajean you killed x?
[07:06] <unforcer> miq, thanks.. tell me the package name?
[07:06] <carajean206> naw not yet im about to
[07:06] <carajean206> when i sh .run the nvidia install file that what it tells me to do
[07:06] <raven3x7> it will kill xchat so wait a minute
[07:07] <carajean206> ok
[07:07] <raven3x7> carajean206, make sure the .sh file is executable
[07:07] <carajean206> hmm
[07:07] <geneo93> anyone know why my nvidia system is getting ati drivers from apt
[07:07] <carajean206> how do i do that in windows i would look for .exe but for linux im lost
[07:07] <miq> unforcer: linux-image-2.6.11-1-686
[07:08] <_frank> geneo93: because they are availbale there
[07:08] <raven3x7> right click on .sh and see the permissions tab
[07:08] <unforcer> kernel-image-2.6.11-nitro0e-x1-686 ?
[07:08] <karim__> hi
[07:08] <raven3x7> carajean206, right click on .sh click on options and see the permissions tab
[07:08] <karim__> I installed mplayer-g4 on ppc but there is no binary !!!
[07:08] <carajean206> yeah
[07:09] <miq> unforcer: uhm, i dont have that one...
[07:09] <karim__> is it normal ?
[07:09] <raven3x7> carajean206, so it is executable?
[07:09] <carajean206> no i just checked the boxes
[07:09] <miq> unforcer: but it should work too..
[07:09] <carajean206> so now i guess it is
[07:09] <raven3x7> yah
[07:09] <unforcer> miq, ok thanks
[07:09] <carajean206> now what
[07:10] <geneo93> _frank: that dont make much sense to me
[07:10] <miq> unforcer: grub lets you choose which kernel to use, so you can always go back
[07:10] <dalamar> when you 'mark to remove completely' or whatever it is does synaptic verify that no other programs are in need of the dependencies before it deletes them?
[07:10] <carajean206> i got world of warcraft running it just looks like garbage thats why i want new drivers
[07:10] <unforcer> miq, btw how can I chose windows to default in grub?
[07:11] <raven3x7> carajean206, so now kill x and the type sudo sh /fullpath/nvidiadriver
[07:11] <geneo93> maybe it just asumes i have ati card which is dumb just like i dont need OO
[07:11] <carajean206> ok i will try that right now brb in a sec
[07:11] <raven3x7> carajean206, keep in mind that it might be cedegas fault
[07:11] <raven3x7> ugh
[07:11] <Scrawny1> Seveas you around?
[07:11] <netstar> hoary hedgehog allows for a boot loader not to be installed right?
[07:11] <Seveas> Scrawny1, yes
[07:12] <unforcer> well.. google will tell me that... thanks for your help...
[07:13] <_frank> geneo93: what did it install the ati drivers on its own?
[07:13] <Scrawny1> ok have you had a chance to get x-chat 2.4,4 into the backports?
[07:13] <justaguy> _
[07:13] <Seveas> Scrawny1, sec...
[07:13] <codomanaic> !apt-get
[07:13] <ubotu> it has been said that apt-get is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/
[07:13] <Scrawny1> k. :)
[07:15] <raven3x7> geneo you probably installed them yourself by accident
[07:15] <ubuntuuser> hi, does anyone know how i can add a user for ssh?
[07:16] <Seveas> Scrawny1, ok, it failed to build, more unresolvable dependencies
[07:16] <steph> how do i check the version of a package with apt?
[07:16] <EasterSunshine> ubuntuuser: do you want to add the user to your entire system, or just to ssh?
[07:16] <ubuntuuser> just ssh if poss
[07:16] <unforcer> so just for login?
[07:17] <Scrawny1> so I'm guessing its a no-go?
[07:17] <ubuntuuser> yes
[07:17] <jimmac> hola ladies
[07:18] <ubuntuuser> is that possible?
[07:18] <johnio> hello
[07:18] <jimmac> I'm struggling how to switch my soundcards. I fished out an .asoundrc that does it for alsa output, but I'd like the same for oss
[07:18] <jimmac> any hints?
[07:19] <justaguy> hey
[07:19] <filip_> how can i run as root in ubuntu ?
[07:19] <jimmac> http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin is a spanish village to me
[07:19] <jimmac> :)
[07:19] <Scrawny1> filip su root
[07:19] <DJ_Mirage> filip_, sudo su yourpassword
[07:19] <Seveas> filip_, with sudo
[07:19] <Scrawny1> enter pass
[07:19] <raven3x7> !tell Filbert about root
[07:19] <johnio> ubuntuuser: if someone can ssh in, they pretty much have the same access just as a regular user
[07:20] <raven3x7> !tell filip about root
[07:20] <alejandro_> hola
[07:20] <glick> wow they have some cool ideas cooking for kde4
[07:20] <alejandro_> hay alguien ahi?
[07:20] <ubuntuuser> yes thats fine, i jsut want my brother to be able to use sftp so he can d/l some files from me
[07:20] <Seveas> !es
[07:20] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[07:20] <spine55> glick, when is that supposed to be out?
[07:20] <filip_> hmm so i can log in as root in ubuntu ?
[07:20] <Seveas> not
[07:20] <glick> spine55, im not sure
[07:21] <Seveas> you should not
[07:21] <spine55> glick, can't wait
[07:21] <filip_> can i log in as root?
[07:21] <glick> but im usually a gnome/xce4 user and i might have to load it up and check it out
[07:22] <ubuntu> tu-es
[07:22] <enntee> Anyone using breezy? Is it useable at the moment?
[07:22] <Seveas> filip_, not by default and enabling it is not recommended
[07:22] <dubnium> where can i grab codecs for mplayer?
[07:22] <filip_> Seveas: but i whant to enebling that
[07:22] <johnio> ubuntuuser, just add him using the Administrations -> Users and Groups from the gnome panel
[07:22] <Seveas> filip_, why?
[07:22] <mekong> hi
[07:22] <Seveas> you should not be needing it
[07:22] <ubuntuuser> ok thanks
[07:22] <johnio> ubuntuuser, and you should be able to adjust how much he can do
[07:23] <evanpro> Hey, the Breezy admonition isn't in the topic anymore!
[07:23] <ubuntuuser> yeh i trust him though :P
[07:23] <evanpro> Which is good, because I'm using Breezy
[07:23] <ubuntuuser> thanks for your help
[07:23] <filip_> need to move some file and i dont whant to use the terminal
[07:23] <johnio> enntee, breezy works well for me
[07:23] <mekong> im having a prob with ssh
[07:23] <mekong> and its not logging me in
[07:23] <enntee> johnio: are you using the new version of rhythmbox?
[07:24] <Scrawny1> filip system > Administraion > Loginscreen scree setup > security tab, click on allow root login with GDM
[07:24] <evanpro> I'm having a problem with Breezy -- specifically, kernel version 2.6.12-7 on AMD64
[07:24] <filip_> ok
[07:24] <evanpro> The kernel fails to see my SATA disk at bootup
[07:24] <else_> anyone installed e17 yet? i just get a black and later a white screen.
[07:24] <filip_> what is the pass for root then?
[07:24] <filip_> my own or?
[07:25] <evanpro> root=/dev/sda1 causes a panic
[07:25] <surfdue> hi whats the quikest way to burn an iso to a disk
[07:25] <Scrawny1> you have to set that up yourself
[07:25] <evanpro> surfdue, rightclick the iso
[07:25] <mekong> ok im having problems with ssh
[07:25] <mekong> i type ssh [email protected]
[07:25] <mekong> and then spearmint
[07:25] <Scrawny1> you have to enable it
[07:25] <mekong> for my password
[07:25] <filip_> how and where ?
[07:25] <mekong> and ls
[07:25] <evanpro> surfdue, and choose "write to disk"
[07:25] <mekong> and it dont work reallly
[07:25] <Scrawny1> can I pc you?
[07:25] <Seveas> mekong, ssh logins as root are disabled
[07:25] <filip_> yes
[07:25] <surfdue> i dont have that
[07:25] <surfdue> i use xfce
[07:25] <karim__> is there a way to use distcc with dpkg-build ?
[07:26] <johnio> enntee, a little, usually use totem
[07:26] <evanpro> surfdue, no idea, then
[07:26] <evanpro> surfdue, it's possible that xfce has a CD-writing tool
[07:26] <evanpro> surfdue, but without that, you have to start messing around with grodie cdrecord and stuff
[07:27] <evanpro> surfdue, which is a recipe for frustration
[07:27] <bina> is anyone else having problems with firefox? when i press right or left in a textarea it seg faults
[07:27] <evanpro> surfdue, if you have Gnome on your system, I'd log out, log in with a Gnome session, burn the CD, and log out again, and log back in to XFCE
[07:27] <evanpro> surfdue, if there's no other way
[07:27] <johnio> anybody having problems with the nvidia driver disapearing in breezy
[07:27] <enntee> johnio: do you know if the automatic playlists now support "date added"?
[07:27] <johnio> enntee: let me try to check
[07:28] <mekong> hmm i cant login
[07:28] <enntee> johnio: thanks
[07:28] <surfdue> gotit
[07:28] <surfdue> thx
[07:28] <surfdue> cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc bla.iso
[07:29] <mekong> ssh [email protected]
[07:29] <mekong> spearmint
[07:29] <mekong> is what i type
[07:29] <evanpro> mekong, did you get the point that ssh login as root is disabled by default
[07:29] <evanpro> ?
[07:29] <surfdue> how do i mount my cd?
[07:29] <Seveas> Scrawny1, ?
[07:29] <mekong> oh how do i enable it
[07:29] <Scrawny1> yes?
[07:30] <Seveas> it'll hit 'deb http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/ /' in about 5 minutes I guess
[07:30] <steph> how do i check the version of a package with apt?
[07:30] <evanpro> mekong, best bet is to log in as a regular user...
[07:30] <evanpro> ...and sudo or su after that
[07:30] <Seveas> apt-cache policy $packagename
[07:30] <steph> thank you
[07:30] <Scrawny1> ok thx seveas :)
[07:30] <johnio> enntee: does not look like it
[07:31] <dawkirst> Hi ppl.
[07:31] <dawkirst> What would be an equivalent to Auto CAD or Solidworks for Linux?
[07:31] <enntee> johnio: thanks. doesn't look like too many features got added after 10 months between releases
[07:31] <enntee> =\
[07:31] <mikel> hola
[07:32] <johnio> enntee: from what I remeber seeing it was almost like rhythmbox was abandoned for a while
[07:32] <mikel> alguien usa Dulcinea?
[07:32] <enntee> johnio: yeah, it's unfortunate.
[07:32] <enntee> muine hasn't gotten a lot of love lately either
[07:32] <carajean> is raven on still?
[07:33] <mikel> no me entero
[07:33] <dawkirst> What would be an equivalent to Auto CAD or Solidworks for Linux?
[07:33] <johnio> enntee: yea, seems like not much has changed on that front in a while
[07:33] <Scrawny1> Seveas can that go into the normal backport under sources.list?
[07:33] <mikel> by
[07:33] <rhelmer> dawkirst: haven't looked into the CAD stuff for a while, but there is linuxcad.. have you looked around yet?
[07:33] <carajean> hey raven that soemwhat didnt work im getting fatal IO errors after i install them
[07:34] <rhelmer> dawkirst: are you looking for something strictly open source?
[07:34] <Harold> Anyone here grab the Quake 3 sourcecode that's just been released?
[07:35] <geneo93> Harold: its just the engine
[07:35] <johnio> enntee: by the way rhythmbox is pretty crashy for me right nwo
[07:35] <Harold> geneo93, To develop, then?
[07:35] <carajean> hello is there anyone there that can guide me through the nvidia driver setup im getting some kind of error
[07:35] <Seveas> !nvidia
[07:35] <ubotu> nvidia is, like, totally, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or quick optimizations https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia?highlight=%28nvidia%29
[07:35] <Seveas> Scrawny1, just add that line anywhere in sources.list you want
[07:36] <Scrawny1> ok thx Seveas :)
[07:36] <Seveas> but disable it after installing xchat, the server is not online 24/7
[07:36] <steph> are ati drivers ever going to be updated in the backports?
[07:36] <Luke> does anyone know if the Ubuntu live cd has gparted?
[07:36] <geneo93> you could use it that way Harold
[07:36] <Scrawny1> ok I'll just comment it out :)
[07:36] <Scrawny1> lemme know when its up :)
[07:36] <else_> anyone installed e17 yet? i just get a black and later a white screen.
[07:36] <Seveas> about 10 seconds
[07:37] <angie> hello there
[07:37] <Seveas> hi
[07:37] <JRlinux> Wow, Ubuntu AMD64 live finds my mem card ports AND my USB port.
[07:37] <angie> having dependencies problems installing gnomebaker 0.4
[07:37] <angie> any advice?
[07:37] <carajean> ok it seems i am missing the glx package dont see how can i install from console since i cant log in
[07:38] <Nathanial> Who here uses NeroLinux?
[07:38] <Harold> geneo93, What else could I do with the Quake 3 sourcecode?
[07:38] <else_> i used it some time ago, Nathanial
[07:38] <Nathanial> Do you know how to switch it to burn a cd as an audio cd?
[07:39] <else_> i think i burned some audio cds with nero.
[07:39] <geneo93> well if you have q3 cd you could play it
[07:39] <evanpro> !sata
[07:39] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, evanpro
[07:39] <else_> you can activate different registers at the bottom, left.
[07:39] <evanpro> ?sata
[07:39] <Nathanial> I just tried to burn a cd, it burned but it burned it as a data disc
[07:39] <evanpro> !help
[07:39] <Nathanial> I can't find an option to burn it as an audio disc =\
[07:39] <else_> yeah, you have to choose the audio register.
[07:39] <Harold> geneo93, But why would you need the sourcecode if you already have the CD?
[07:39] <unforcer> miq, hehe.. wrong kernel :)
[07:40] <angie> any help for installing gnomebaker0.4 please?
[07:40] <Seveas> Angel-SL, what's the exact error (if it's mare than a few lines, paste it on the pastebin)
[07:40] <else_> Nathanial, show me a screenshot :)
[07:40] <unforcer> it was for 64bit.. and when I booted the 368 xserver dosent work :)
[07:40] <else_> of the main window.
[07:40] <Seveas> Nathanial, hint: screenshots can be uploaded at the pastebin too ;)
[07:40] <Nathanial> Okay :)
[07:41] <else-> Nathanial, stop, i found one right now.
[07:41] <aima_> xchat will crash
[07:41] <aima_> edit
[07:41] <else-> http://ww2.nero.com/img/Main_Window_with_File_System_Editor_BIG_eng.gif <- you see the tabs at the bottom, left?
[07:41] <aima_> argh wrong channel again
[07:41] <Seveas> aima_, *g* :)
[07:41] <unforcer> how can I remove kernel that I just installed?
[07:42] <else-> dpkg -P unforcer
[07:42] <c0rrupt_> apt-get uninstall windows
[07:42] <Seveas> aima_, there's an xchat 2.4.4 package on my personal repository if you want it ;
[07:42] <Seveas> ;)
[07:42] <else-> c0rrupt_, *g*
[07:42] <icewt> will breezy include mplayer pre7? there still seems to be pre6 at the moment :/
[07:42] <unforcer> from terminal
[07:42] <c0rrupt_> else-, :-*
[07:42] <else-> Seveas, could i have it, too?
[07:42] <unforcer> c0rrupt_ hahah
[07:42] <Nathanial> else, http://nshack.dyndns.org/Screenshot.png
[07:42] <unforcer> :O
[07:42] <Seveas> aptitude purge --flush --drown --purge-again windows*
[07:42] <Seveas> else-, sure
[07:42] <aima_> Seveas, it's crashing when I try to use scripts that worked perfectly before
[07:42] <c0rrupt_> porn-get install sex and wine
[07:42] <Seveas> deb http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/ /
[07:42] <else-> Nathanial, wait a minute :)
[07:43] <JRlinux> Why can't I play an MP3 on Ubuntu Live? "Resource busy or not available."
[07:43] <Seveas> JRlinux, you are using a player that does not use esd
[07:44] <JRlinux> Totem?
[07:44] <Seveas> hmm
[07:44] <Seveas> that one should...
[07:44] <carajean> does anyone know anything about nvidia drivers
[07:44] <Seveas> try: lsof /dev/dsp
[07:44] <pirast> yes
[07:44] <pirast> @carajean
[07:44] <Seveas> !tell carajean about nvidia
[07:44] <CookdGryphon> carajean: yes
[07:45] <Scrawny1> ok brb thank-you very much Seveas :)
[07:45] <CookdGryphon> there's one binary package that u download from nvidia's website and it works for most of their graphics cards
[07:45] <Pogopuschel-> carajean: /msg dpkg nvidia
[07:45] <carajean> seveas i cant download anything on those pages u want me to see cause im in console and cant get back to gui
[07:45] <pirast> carajean: or: http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[07:46] <Seveas> pirast, ubuntuguide is bad
[07:46] <Seveas> !ubuntuguide
[07:46] <ubotu> I heard ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. The official FAQ Guide will be released with Breezy, stay tuned
[07:46] <else-> argh my gimp is crashing, weird.
[07:46] <pirast> I like ubuntuguide :-)
[07:46] <pirast> yes, sorry..
[07:46] <icewt> ubuntuguide is good if you understand what you are doing :)
[07:46] <Seveas> indeed
[07:46] <pirast> I didn't know it :-)
[07:46] <Seveas> it's not a guide
[07:46] <Pogopuschel-> for some people instruction are much better than explanations :))
[07:46] <pirast> Won't happen again :-)
[07:46] <Pogopuschel-> +s
[07:46] <Seveas> and the instructions are rubbish sometimes
[07:47] <geneo93> carajean: you have to enable drivers
[07:47] <CookdGryphon> Okay, i have compiler and set up mplayer with the gui enabled, now it won't run! gmplayer jstu comes up with command not recognised
[07:47] <pirast> But why doesn't X start up?
[07:47] <carajean> yes now can i do anything anyof u just said ONLY in console not in gui
[07:47] <pirast> yes you can
[07:47] <carajean> i dont know why x wont start
[07:47] <vitriol> is it hard to make a new initrd for an ubuntu kernel?
[07:47] <CookdGryphon> yes u can carajean
[07:48] <vitriol> i'm having the problem described here: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13937
[07:48] <Scrawny1> whooohooo it works thx Seaveas :)
[07:48] <else-> Nathanial, http://srv8.qfile.de/operator.php?sysm=file_transfer&sysf=center&file_id=195038&file_name=Screenshot.png.html
[07:48] <CookdGryphon> have u downlaoded anything already?
[07:48] <vitriol> no atiixp module in the intitrd
[07:48] <Scrawny1> ( Operating System ) Linux Ubuntu 5.04 - hoary Kernel: 2.6.10-5-386, GNU/Linux | Xorg: 6.8.2 | IRC CLient: X-Chat v.2.4.4
[07:48] <Pogopuschel-> you can do even more with your console :)
[07:48] <pirast> carajean: You can do it in the console too: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia?highlight=%28nvidia%29
[07:48] <pirast> and now wiki link :-)
[07:48] <geneo93> carajean: whats the error when you startx
[07:49] <Nathanial> thank you else
[07:50] <Scrawny1> k. I'll bbl thanks again everyone :)
[07:50] <carajean> i get the erro fatal io 104 on x server
[07:50] <carajean> there another one fatal server error caught signal 11 server aborting
[07:50] <Seveas> yay, signal 11
[07:50] <Seveas> that's segfault
[07:50] <else-> no problem Nathanial, does it work?
[07:50] <Seveas> so buggy thing loaded
[07:50] <CookedGryphon> have u updates Xorg.conf to run nvidia instead of nv?
[07:51] <Nathanial> Going to give it a try
[07:51] <carajean> yes
[07:51] <Nathanial> yes it does! YAY! Thanks a million :)
[07:51] <CookedGryphon> have u edited the load "dri" and, what was the other one...
[07:51] <else-> okay, let me know )
[07:51] <Seveas> Option "RenderAccel" "false"
[07:51] <else-> yeah, thanks :)
[07:52] <Seveas> ^-- carajean
[07:52] <Seveas> put that in xorg.conf in the device section
[07:52] <carajean> so turn them false
[07:52] <stig_> why is www.irssi.org incredibly slow for me, close to non-working? Most other urls are lightning speed fast (2Mbit connection here and 400kbit up). Using ubuntu for amd64 and mozilla firefox
[07:52] <carajean> yeah both i removed or commmented out
[07:53] <pirast> Fuck.. The holidays are now over :-/
[07:53] <tombs> hi ppl
[07:54] <stig_> hi tombs
[07:54] <glick> damn i hate writting term papers
[07:54] <vitriol> is it hard to make a new initrd for an ubuntu kernel?
[07:54] <vitriol> i'm having the problem described here: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13937
[07:54] <vitriol> no atiixp module in the intitrd
[07:55] <concept10> I need help compiling an app from packages.ubuntu.org, I dont know which one two download
[07:56] <Seveas> concept10, use apt-get source
[07:56] <Seveas> what do you need?
[07:56] <concept10> Seveas, cpufrequtils
[07:56] <Seveas> from hoary or breezy?
[07:57] <concept10> Its only available for breezy, but I need to compile it on Hoary
[07:57] <CookedGryphon> u need to remove the line load "dri" and load "GLCore, add one saying load "glx" when u change nv to nvidia, have u done that in ure Xorg.conf?
[07:57] <EasterSunshine> hey what is the standard way of controlling what deamons will start up?
[07:57] <CookedGryphon> carajean*
[07:57] <Simonth> Hey. I have installed kubuntu,and then I have installed Windows XP Pro. But when I start my computer up it just goes into Windows XP, I cant choose between Linux(kubuntu) and Windows XP - how do I fix it?
[07:57] <Seveas> EasterSunshine, update-rc.d
[07:57] <EasterSunshine> apache2 used to to start up with boot, it doesn't anymore...
[07:57] <Seveas> concept10, hang on
[07:59] <concept10> Simonth, did you install grub at the end of the install process?
[07:59] <carajean> yeah srry i went upstairs to tinker with it
[07:59] <carajean> yes i did that
[07:59] <ubuntuuser> u have to install grub, dot you
[07:59] <carajean> but the glx think it wasnt on there when i first went to tinker
[07:59] <Simonth> concept10, in the linux or windows install?..
[07:59] <CookedGryphon> you have to add that one
[07:59] <concept10> Simonth, oh, thats your problem
[07:59] <Simonth> I had before installed Windows and then Linux, and it was working fine
[07:59] <CookedGryphon> the glx one
[08:00] <Seveas> concept10, the hoary backport will be available in 'deb http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/ /' in a few minutes (i386 only)
[08:00] <concept10> Simonth, you should have install windows first.
[08:00] <Simonth> But it was Windows XP 64bit, and now I have installed on the same partition, Windows XP Pro 32bit
[08:00] <Simonth> I know...
[08:00] <Simonth> but can I fix it?
[08:00] <concept10> Simonth, Windows overwrites the MBR
[08:00] <Seveas> concept10, actually, it's there now :)
[08:01] <concept10> Seveas, what did you do?
[08:01] <carlos_> www.inforchat.com
[08:01] <Simonth> concept10, okay..but can I fix it? One of my friend have said something about I should type "rescue root=/dev/hda1" when I was booting on my kubuntu cd...but it didnt work
[08:01] <topyli> hrmpf. i forgot how to make mpd and esound work together. now i'll have those graceous system beeps no earlier than tomorrow when i boot
[08:01] <Davey> ugh, I broke my libxml, how can I get a copy of the one in the ubuntu repository to replace the one from Debian unstable? :)
[08:02] <CookedGryphon> carajean: paste your Xorg.conf file into #flood
[08:02] <Seveas> concept10, apt-get source / apt-get build-dep, changed the version to make sure spkg knows it's a backport and ran dpkg-buildpackage :)
[08:02] <concept10> Simonth, you may use a live CD and chroot into your install and install grub.
[08:03] <Simonth> concept10, I have a suse live dvd, can I use that?
[08:03] <topyli> Simonth: whatever you cant boot linux with
[08:03] <concept10> Simonth, any live cd/dvd will work, you have to search somewhere for the instructions though, I forgot how to do it
[08:03] <dubnium> where can i find libdvdcss2.. repository says this: Building dependency tree... Done
[08:03] <dubnium> Package libdvdcss2 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:03] <dubnium> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[08:03] <dubnium> is only available from another source
[08:03] <dubnium> E: Package libdvdcss2 has no installation candidate
[08:04] <Seveas> wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[08:04] <Seveas> dubnium, DO NOT paste in here
[08:04] <topyli> dubnium: please don't do that
[08:04] <Simonth> concept10: okay.. :/
[08:04] <webby`> How do I upgrade to Breezy
[08:04] <vitriol> !initrd
[08:04] <webby`> ?
[08:04] <ubotu> No idea, vitriol
[08:04] <concept10> Seveas, thanks. Do I add your repo to my sources go ahead and do that?
[08:04] <Seveas> webby`, breezy is not stable yet...
[08:04] <topyli> Simonth: what are you trying to do? fix grub?
[08:04] <webby`> but i get no sound in hoary
[08:04] <Seveas> concept10, you can simply add my repo and run apt-get install cpufrequtils :)
[08:05] <Simonth> topyli: yes, so I can switch/change between Linux and Windows
[08:05] <Seveas> webby`, what makes you think breezy will?
[08:05] <silver_cpu> hi, folks. i'm having trouble with apt-get after a fresh installation. it keeps giving me this error: (posted to #flood)
[08:05] <webby`> it did
[08:05] <webby`> i was on it yesterday
[08:05] <Seveas> ok, if you're sure you want to update:
[08:05] <Seveas> webby`: One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/hoary/breezy/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[08:05] <topyli> Simonth: so, you boot from whatever; chroot to your root partition; run grub-install
[08:05] <concept10> Seveas, thanks.
[08:05] <topyli> Simonth: (if your grub is ok otherwise)
[08:06] <webby`> thanks
[08:06] <Seveas> concept10, disable my repo after installing cpufrequtils - the server is not online 24/7
[08:06] <CookedGryphon> silver_cpu, i';m getting that message too
[08:06] <blockhead> does xmms actually work in ubuntu?
[08:06] <concept10> Seveas, where could I find instructions on doing what you just did?
[08:06] <Seveas> blockhead, yes
[08:06] <silver_cpu> yeah, i'm tempted to try the distro upgrade that Seveas mentions
[08:06] <EasterSunshine> can someone help me start up apache2?
[08:06] <Seveas> concept10, apt-get install maint-guide :)
[08:06] <dubnium> easter, whats your issue?
[08:06] <Simonth> topyli, I think it is... before I had Linux and Windows XP 64bit and it worked fine...but now I have installed Windows XP 32bit on the same partition (I have formatted the partition first) as Windows 64bit were..
[08:06] <Seveas> EasterSunshine, invoke-rc.d apache2 start
[08:06] <Simonth> topyli: how do I chroot into my linux partition?
[08:07] <tgwj> blockhead, beep-media-player is cooler since ituses GTK2
[08:07] <EasterSunshine> thx seveas
[08:07] <silver_cpu> chroot [root directory of your distro] /bin/bash
[08:07] <silver_cpu> check out the manpage
[08:07] <lolsville> Two questions. 1. How can I change my username? 2. How can I change the text color in xterm?
[08:07] <EasterSunshine> argh, it failed
[08:07] <CookdGryphon> tgwj: does beep-media player play wma files?
[08:07] <topyli> Simonth: so grub should be ok. you must use fdisk -l to find your root partition after booting to the temporary linux environment. there you will find the partition
[08:07] <Seveas> silver_cpu, /bin/bash can be omitted
[08:07] <silver_cpu> lolsville, try going into "users" under system admin
[08:07] <Seveas> EasterSunshine, paste the appache error.log on the pastebin
[08:07] <Simonth> topyli & silver_cpu: okay
[08:08] <tgwj> CookdGryphon, I doubt it...
[08:08] <topyli> Simonth: then, you "chroot /dev/the-right-partiton"
[08:08] <lolsville> silver_cpu: In gnome? ok
[08:08] <CookdGryphon> tgwj: bugger.
[08:08] <tgwj> CookdGryphon, you need w32codecs and some variation of xine for that... I use totem-xine
[08:08] <lolsville> silver_cpu: Thanks
[08:08] <EasterSunshine> seveas: ah...i see, the mime.types file...
[08:08] <topyli> Simonth: then, you do "grub-install hd=0,0" (not so sure about that)
[08:08] <silver_cpu> lolsville, to change the colors in your terminal, that depends on whether you're in gnome or console
[08:08] <stig_> why is www.irssi.org incredibly slow for me, close to non-working? Most other urls are lightning speed fast (2Mbit connection here and 400kbit up). Using ubuntu for amd64 and mozilla firefox
[08:09] <Seveas> stig_, the server might be busy...
[08:09] <lolsville> silver_cpu: I'm using Ion2 with Xterm
[08:09] <CookdGryphon> tgwj: I have all my medi on my larger windows xp disk, n i don't want to lose all my stuff, but don't ahve owt to back it up to while i install windows, and i'm stingy so don't want to get a new hdd n convert my wmas
[08:09] <CookdGryphon> mplayer plays em but i ahve no media library, have to put the path every time
[08:09] <silver_cpu> xterms are pretty easy to adjust, just go into the "edit" menu, and choose "profile"
[08:10] <silver_cpu> you should be able to edit your current/default profiles from there
[08:10] <Simonth> topyli: it says "command not found" when I type "fdisk -l"
[08:10] <Seveas> don't use the quotes
[08:10] <tgwj> CookdGryphon, yeah mplayer and xine are pretty similiar...
[08:10] <Seveas> just type sudo fdisk -l
[08:10] <topyli> Simonth: it's not in your environment apparently. try /bin/fdisk
[08:10] <silver_cpu> lolsville, actually try "edit" then "current profile" to get best results
[08:10] <tgwj> gtg bye
[08:10] <stig_> Seveas: it worked fine for a dude under windows XP
[08:11] <Simonth> topyli: Iam running the Suse Live DVD 9.3 right now. I try
[08:11] <lolsville> silver_cpu: Ok
[08:11] <Simonth> topyli: dosent work either
[08:11] <topyli> grr
[08:11] <topyli> Simonth: i always said suse sucks :)
[08:11] <topyli> Simonth: perhaps they only have cfdisk or some such fancy weeny programs
[08:11] <Simonth> topyli: about that things..yes... ;) it was a free DVD..the only reason to I ordered it :P
[08:12] <Seveas> stig_, try disabling ipv6 lookups in firefox
[08:12] <Seveas> stig_: Open firefox and go to about:config. Now search for network.dns.disableIPV6 and set that value to true. Restart Firefox to see the effect.
[08:12] <EasterSunshine> what username should apache2 startup as? it does not have permission to write /var/run/httpd.pid ? or should i just chmod that dir?
[08:13] <rlared> hello, i was wondering if anyone that uses ubuntu has used MEPIS in the past, and if they could give me some insight as to why they like ubuntu better?
[08:14] <topyli> Simonth: don't worry, honestly this is not a big deal. we just have to fix it
[08:14] <Simonth> topyli: Okay..but I have take backups of all the files .. ;)
[08:14] <Simonth> topyli: But right now I have a problem - my time..I should go now..20:15, and actually it is 20:14..
[08:15] <prakash> how can i install bin files
[08:15] <topyli> Simonth: btw, it would be smart to pass an argument to fdisk anyways, like /bin/fdisk -l /dev/hda or something :)
[08:15] <prakash> how can i install bin files plz
[08:15] <topyli> Simonth: hurry up! fix it!
[08:16] <topyli> Simonth: bad joke, sorry
[08:16] <prakash> does someone know how i can use bin files
[08:16] <concept10> Seveas, take a look at this please: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1479
[08:16] <Simonth> topyli: ;) but fdisk is not installed..
[08:16] <topyli> prakash: normally, you don't
[08:16] <prakash> ok
[08:16] <topyli> Simonth: but any fdisk variant would like to know which disk to work on :)
[08:16] <prakash> i dowloaded realplayer10
[08:17] <prakash> and it had a bin extention
[08:17] <Seveas> concept10, either use apt-get to install the package from my repository or use apt-get install libcpufreq0
[08:17] <CookedGryphon> prakash, u jstu run it
[08:17] <concept10> okay.
[08:17] <CookedGryphon> cd ot the dir its in and type./RealPlayer10*.bin
[08:17] <guest> guest have joined
[08:18] <guest> what is it that you talk about
[08:18] <topyli> prakash: throw it away, apt-get a real package from multiverse
[08:18] <CookedGryphon> prakash, u may have to su first tho 4 it to work
[08:18] <Simonth> topyli: Iam in debian installer rescue mode right now..and right now I can type linux commands, example cd /home/simon ...and my files are there...
[08:18] <Seveas> guest, this is a support channel for Ubuntu (A linux distribution)
[08:18] <topyli> Simonth: that's better. they must have fdisk too
[08:18] <CookedGryphon> prakash, also RealPlayer conflicts with esd in my experience, u';ll need to change to OSS or summat
[08:19] <Simonth> topyli: yes, there are fdisk..
[08:19] <topyli> CookedGryphon: yes, you'll have to configure esd to live with clueless third-party apps
[08:19] <Simonth> topyli: but how?
[08:19] <topyli> Simonth: so, "fdisk -l /dev/hda"
[08:20] <topyli> Simonth: so you find out for sure where to chroot
[08:20] <Simonth> topyli: it says, "f: unknown command"..."command action" "a toggle a bootable flag" and so on...
[08:20] <topyli> Simonth: press q to get out of fdisk, just use fdisk -l
[08:21] <Simonth> topyli: cannot open /proc/parititions
[08:21] <topyli> hrmpf
[08:21] <Simonth> topyli: I NEED to go now, so see you later.
[08:21] <topyli> we'll fix it later :)
[08:22] <benplaut> quit a slew of updates for breezy today
[08:22] <sammie> hey
[08:23] <sammie> how easy would it be for a girl , yes a girl to setup a default apache installation
[08:23] <sammie> ?
[08:23] <calc> sammie: as easy as anyone else?
[08:23] <glick> sammie, depends on what kind of girl
[08:23] <Seveas> sammie, ease of use does not depend on gender
[08:24] <HappyFool> 'sudo aptitude install apache2' is alleged to work for people of all ages and sexes
[08:24] <Seveas> and samba requires only installation to get a decent setup
[08:24] <Seveas> samba?
[08:24] <Seveas> apache I mean
[08:24] <vladuz976> is there a linux version of google earth?
[08:24] <Seveas> vladuz976, no(t yet?)
[08:24] <vladuz976> shooot
[08:24] <Seveas> and no, it does not want to run with wine/cedega :)
[08:25] <vladuz976> Seveas, reading my mind there
[08:25] <Seveas> :)
[08:25] <asfra> hi, I have a nfts-partition on the beginning of my harddrive and I want to make that an ext3-partition. Do I risk destroying anything important? like bios or anything used to boot? I know that linux doesn't use MBR but want to be sure :) thanks...
[08:26] <sammie> k installed.......... where the hell would i begin to look for config files etc, not too driven on security issues is for lan use
[08:26] <vladuz976> anybody know what flashgot for firefox does?
[08:26] <Seveas> asfra, grub uses mbr....
[08:26] <CookedGryphon> yep, it configures firefox to use an external download manager such as aria
[08:26] <data-nerd> Hi people
[08:26] <HappyFool> sammie: /etc/apache2
[08:26] <Seveas> but: apart from the data on it, you'll loose nothing by formatting it
[08:26] <str8edge> asfra: you shouldn't "destroy anything" except for the data on the partition
[08:27] <Seveas> sammie, then don't change any config
[08:27] <asfra> Seveas: I didn't install grub in mbr, I think I installed it in /boot
[08:27] <Seveas> go to http://localhost/ -- it's running already :)
[08:27] <Seveas> asfra, that's only stage 2, stage 1 is in the mbr
[08:27] <sammie> i may have to change of the lines , i want it to run on differant port that 80 ........................
[08:27] <sammie> 1 of*
[08:27] <Seveas> sammie, /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[08:27] <data-nerd> I have reinstalled XP after ubuntu..., I have a program that give me access to the ubuntu files..., can i fix it from win??????
[08:27] <Seveas> look for 'Listen 80'
[08:27] <Seveas> and change it to what you want
[08:28] <str8edge> data-net, you'll have to fix grub
[08:28] <asfra> Seveas: but do you think MBR is in the nfts-partiton? anyway I can check?
[08:28] <Seveas> sammie, actually, it's in /etc/apache2/ports.conf
[08:28] <benplaut> what happened with the 145 updates for breezy in the last 2 days? did something really big happen?
[08:28] <guest> someone please talk to guest
[08:28] <Seveas> asfra, it's not IN the partition, you will not destroy it by formatting the partition
[08:28] <data-nerd> str8edge, how...?
[08:28] <guest> i am waiting,
[08:28] <Seveas> guest, did you have a question?
[08:29] <guest> yes, how are you first
[08:29] <sammie> is it installed to run on startup or needs to be manualy started ? (sorry for all questions)
[08:29] <Seveas> if not, this is not a channel for off-topic talking -- please do that somewhere else
[08:29] <str8edge> data-nerd: you will need to boot using a bootable linux cd (such as the hoary live disc)
[08:29] <eruin> does anyone have a logitech mouse with working scrollwheel here?
[08:29] <guest> should i get mad?
[08:29] <Seveas> sammie, it will run on bootup
[08:29] <HappyFool> sammie: as seveas said, it's running already; it will by default be started at boot
[08:29] <data-nerd> str8edge, and then?
[08:29] <guest> what's this then
[08:29] <str8edge> data-nerd: then mount your partition, and install grub
[08:29] <silver_cpu> guest, what is your question
[08:29] <sammie> thanx you two, great help :)
[08:30] <data-nerd> str8edge: mount?:S
[08:30] <Seveas> guest, this is a support channel, not a general chat channel
[08:30] <sammie> now ill just sit and read the readme for 10/15 mins :)
[08:30] <benplaut> now that i think of it, what's the ubuntu dev channel?
[08:30] <guest> i get you, sory
[08:30] <asfra> str8edge: thanks for the reply, do you think that the MBR could be on the nfts-partition? it used to contain xp
[08:30] <Seveas> benplaut, #ubuntu-devel
[08:30] <str8edge> data-nerd: mounting makes the hard drive available under linux
[08:30] <benplaut> ah
[08:30] <Seveas> but don't mistake development for breezy support..
[08:31] <HappyFool> asfra: the mbr is the first 512 (or so) bytes of the disk -- it's not on any of the partitions
[08:31] <benplaut> i just noticed the /topic
[08:31] <data-nerd> str8edge, yea, but how do i mount??
[08:31] <str8edge> asfra: most likely not, XP looks for the MBR in the first 512 bytes of the HD. Linux allows you to install the mbrs into the first part of a partition, XP doesn't
[08:31] <HappyFool> !grub
[08:31] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[08:31] <glick> data-nerd, man mount
[08:31] <str8edge> data-nerd: man mount
[08:32] <asfra> HappyFool: thank you...
[08:32] <glick> heh
[08:32] <concept10> Seveas, thanks for doing that for me. I still cannot set the maximum frequency using those utils..this really irks me
[08:32] <str8edge> data-nerd: or, mount -t ext3 /dev/<partition> /<target>
[08:32] <HappyFool> eish, when i asked for hot i didn't mean quite *this* spicy
[08:32] <sammie> just a last one for Seveas/happyfool, changed port in ports.conf , way of restarting it to listen from new changed config ?
[08:33] <data-nerd> str8edge, do it work with man mount only???
[08:33] <HappyFool> sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[08:33] <str8edge> !man
[08:33] <ubotu> str8edge: I don't know
[08:33] <str8edge> data-nerd: man is the command to display the man page.
[08:33] <str8edge> data-nerd: man=manual
[08:33] <data-nerd> str8edge, ok
[08:34] <data-nerd> str8edge, cya
[08:34] <data-nerd> str8edge, i tyr
[08:34] <data-nerd> str8edge, tanks for the help :)
[08:34] <HappyFool> as in Read The Find Man-page
[08:34] <str8edge> happyfool: i just did it last week :)
[08:36] <str8edge> fixed my linux problem, not to fix samba.. anyone in here GOOD with samba?
[08:36] <data-nerd> Ho again str8edge
[08:36] <data-nerd> Hi*
[08:36] <belzebu> hello
[08:36] <str8edge> data-nerd: hi..
[08:36] <data-nerd> str8edge, cant I fix it from win? I have access to the files
[08:37] <HappyFool> str8edge: i don't claim to be a guru, but let's hear your problem anyway?
[08:37] <str8edge> you need to re-run the grub-install problem
[08:37] <data-nerd> str8edge, ok
[08:37] <data-nerd> str8edge, cya later
[08:37] <titanium> is port 21 disabled by default or something in ubuntu? i set up proftpd and on a random port like 4000, the server works, but on 21, it does not
[08:37] <HappyFool> tell data-nerd to read the wiki page next time; the instructions are pretty complete, afaik
[08:38] <str8edge> My Samba box is no longer visible.. nothing has changed since yesterday morning on my server or the laptop
[08:39] <HappyFool> titanium: not afaik; have you enabled the firewall?
[08:39] <HappyFool> str8edge: hmm. is the samba share visible from the server? (i presume that's where samba is running)
[08:39] <titanium> HappyFool: no unless it's on by default
[08:40] <HappyFool> titanium: it isn't
[08:40] <str8edge> happyfool: nothing sees it anymore, except when i'm logged into the server..
[08:40] <titanium> /etc/init.d/proftpd restart, either on 21 or 4000 both start fine, but on 4000 i can connect fine from my windows machine on the lan -- 21 it doesn't respond, service not available
[08:40] <str8edge> titanium: try running "fuser -n tcp 21"
[08:41] <HappyFool> str8edge: so if you're logged into the server it works?
[08:41] <str8edge> happyfool: however this morning, i can't even browse.. I know how to troubleshoot the problem, but I have no clue how my laptop and desktop machine are both suddenly messing up, and giving different problems
[08:41] <ogg> hi, im currently using ubuntu warty on my computer. Now I want to make a fresh new install of ubuntu hoary (minimal/server-install also). Got any ideas?
[08:41] <str8edge> happyfool: yup
[08:41] <titanium> str8edge: 21/tcp: 4891
[08:42] <str8edge> ogg: you just need to update your repositorys (/etc/apt/sources.list) and run a dist-upgrade
[08:42] <HappyFool> titanium: how about ftp'ing to localhost from your ubuntu machine? does that work?
[08:42] <str8edge> titanium: now run "ps -ef | grep 4891"
[08:42] <titanium> root@opti:/home/garrett # ftp localhost 21
[08:42] <titanium> Connected to localhost.localdomain.
[08:42] <titanium> 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection
[08:42] <HappyFool> str8edge: i can't imagine why samba would only work when you're logged in; sounds very bizarre
[08:42] <titanium> str8edge: root 4891 1 0 Aug19 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/inetd
[08:43] <titanium> hmm is inetd blocking it?
[08:43] <str8edge> titanium: looks that way, proftpd can run in daemon mode or as a inetd client.. if you look at the proftpd faq it explains how to configure it.
[08:44] <titanium> it's set to run as standalone, not using inetd
[08:44] <lui> how do I use the fsck command when my filesystem is mounted?
[08:44] <str8edge> titanium: you may also be able to run dpkg-reconfigure proftpd
[08:44] <str8edge> titanium: then edit your /etc/inetd.conf and comment out any ftp related lines.
[08:44] <str8edge> lui: don't.. use a bootable cd, like the hoary live cd
[08:45] <str8edge> !fsck
[08:45] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, str8edge
[08:45] <titanium> hmm maybe it wasn't running as standalone, i tried dpkg-reconfig and set it and now i can connect localhost 21 :)
[08:45] <EasterSunshine> ubotu doesn't know what the fsck you are talking about
[08:45] <str8edge> titanium: enjoy!
[08:45] <ubotu> okay, EasterSunshine
[08:45] <titanium> str8edge: thanks a lot
[08:45] <EasterSunshine> uh oh, what did i just teach him...
[08:45] <ogg> can somebody help me, I dont know how my sources.list should look like.
[08:46] <lui> str8edge > thanks
[08:46] <str8edge> titanium: no problem.
[08:46] <titanium> !ubotu
[08:46] <HappyFool> !repos
[08:46] <c0rrupt_> !tell ogg about repos
[08:46] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my brain on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:46] <ubotu> repos is, like, totally, at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[08:46] <HappyFool> ogg -- see the second like under repos above; the first one may be useful too
[08:46] <ogg> thanks guys
[08:46] <str8edge> lui: running fsck on a mounted partition is dangerous (data loss)
[08:46] <titanium> doesn't know what the fsck you created by [email protected] on 22 Aug 2005 04:45
[08:46] <titanium> requested 0 times
[08:46] <titanium> nice one :)
[08:46] <HappyFool> heh
[08:47] <zoexi> hello, I need to print (via cups) to a shared printer named "deskjet5550" plugged into a computer with hostname "emac" at ip address "192.168.0.101". I can't figure out how to make a cups url out of this...
[08:47] <HappyFool> !forget doesn't know what the fsck you
[08:47] <ubotu> HappyFool: i forgot doesn't know what the fsck you
[08:47] <codomanaic> !fluxbox
[08:47] <ubotu> Not a clue, codomanaic
[08:48] <sammie> im baaaack
[08:48] <sammie> =/
[08:48] <HappyFool> zoexi: this is a real shot in the dark, but how about http://emac:631 ?
[08:48] <EasterSunshine> ubotu forget doesn't know what the fsck you
[08:48] <ubotu> EasterSunshine: i didn't have anything called 'doesn't know what the fsck you'
[08:48] <str8edge> happyfool: i'm just going to trash the samba config on the server, and then reconfigure it and each of the workstations, running through the samba troubleshooting guide didn't help.
[08:48] <sammie> if you remember me asking about apache just 20mins ago seveas/happyfool it now says on my other pc i do not have permission to access index.html
[08:48] <dubnium> hrmm.. any idea why xine crashes immediatly?
[08:48] <zoexi> HappyFool: where does 631 come from?
[08:49] <HappyFool> zoexi: the port number cups listens on; i really don't know if it'll work
[08:49] <sammie> dubnium coukd be the audio plugin you have selected as your output
[08:49] <HappyFool> sammie: does it work from the ubuntu machine though?
[08:49] <sammie> could*
[08:49] <sammie> hmm good question lmao,
[08:49] <sammie> not it dont =\
[08:50] <anacron> hey guys, i bought better graphics card(asus 6600 gt pci-e 256mb) and i can't get it work in 3d mode, gnome works fine, but i can't run any 3d applications
[08:50] <lolsville> How do you scroll in xterm using the keyboard?
[08:50] <sammie> my english is shocking and i am english
[08:50] <str8edge> anacron: you need to use the nvidia binary packages
[08:50] <str8edge> !nvida
[08:50] <ubotu> str8edge: Syntax error in line 1
[08:50] <str8edge> !nvidia
[08:50] <ubotu> it has been said that nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or quick optimizations https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia?highlight=%28nvidia%29
[08:50] <dubnium> i cant even run the app else it'll take me back to login
[08:50] <titanium> can anyone do me a favour and test my ftp to see if they can connect? i'll pm you the info
[08:51] <anacron> str8edge: im using them already, but they won't work
[08:51] <HappyFool> sammie: index.html needs to be readable by the 'nobody' user, i think
[08:51] <DrSpin> if user 'me' in group 'this' copies a file to /media/music which is owned by 'root' and in the group 'this' -- the result of the copied file is 'me' for owner and 'this' for group correct??
[08:51] <sammie> cool ill try that happfool thanx
[08:51] <anacron> i also reconfigured xserver-xorg, and reinstalled all nvidia stuff
[08:51] <str8edge> anacron: what ubuntu version are you using, warty, hoary, or breezy?
[08:51] <HappyFool> sammie: you can look in the apache logs for clues to the problem; the logs are in /var/log/apache2
[08:51] <Seveas> titanium, hit me :)
[08:51] <anacron> str8edge: hoary
[08:51] <sammie> it could be the problem only root can read it ? if i ccreated it with root
[08:51] <sammie> just a thought
[08:51] <sammie> gonna walk back to server now
[08:51] <anacron> str8edge: and the weird thing is that previous card i had was msi 6600 non-gt and it worked perfectly
[08:51] <str8edge> anacron: what happens when you try?
[08:51] <HappyFool> sammie: yip. make it world-readable
[08:52] <str8edge> anacron: i
[08:52] <anacron> str8edge: ?
[08:52] <str8edge> anacron: i'm using a pci 6600 gt and its working under hoary. what error do you get?
[08:52] <sammie> nice
[08:52] <sammie> yeh only root could read it, my fault :)
[08:52] <sammie> i just opend a text file and quickly created a page :)
[08:52] <ogg> how do I check free hd space?
[08:52] <sammie> without thinking
[08:52] <str8edge> ogg: df -h
[08:53] <ogg> tanks
[08:53] <anacron> str8edge: which error you would like to see?, cedega error perhaps, point to play gives me "opengl does not work" notification and if i check nvidia-settings there's not all the stuff there should be
[08:53] <anacron> ?
[08:54] <ogg> How do I uninstall gnome and add fluxbox instead? (and let it be my default window manager)
[08:54] <sammie> Thanx again HappyFool
[08:54] <HappyFool> sammie: cool
[08:54] <HappyFool> ogg: there's a fluxbox package in universe; i guess you'll need to install that
[08:54] <anacron> ogg: install fluxbox with synaptic, or what ever, then log out, change the session to fluxbox, make it default when it asks, and then remove gnome with synaptic
[08:55] <ogg> thanks. ill try it out.
[08:55] <str8edge> anacron: i haven't use cedega
[08:55] <c0rrupt_> flux owns
[08:55] <ogg> :)
[08:55] <c0rrupt_> i use kde though
[08:55] <ogg> what about Enlightment 17? is it good?
[08:55] <ogg> ive heard its fast
[08:55] <ogg> snappy
[08:56] <c0rrupt_> dunno
[08:56] <anacron> str8edge: wan't to see what i get if i try run glxgears?
[08:56] <benplaut> i bit feature deprived
[08:56] <Spug> if i apt-get kubuntu-desktop, what will happen with gdm and kdm?
[08:56] <str8edge> anacron: sure
[08:56] <anacron> ogg: it looks great, and it really is fast, but i think it's not quite ready yet
[08:56] <benplaut> Spug: it will stay with gdm
[08:56] <ogg> anacron. ok
[08:56] <benplaut> but you can use BUM to change it to KDM
[08:57] <anacron> ogg: but it's worth of trying, theres a how to in ubuntu forums
[08:57] <ogg> but when ive installed (apt-get install fluxbox) and reboot. will I be able to change window manager in login-screen?
[08:57] <ogg> aight
[08:57] <anacron> ogg: you can also mix e17 and gnome :)
[08:57] <Spug> benplaut: aha, okay, thanks :)
[08:57] <anacron> str8edge: can i paste them to you private?
[08:57] <Spug> ogg: yes, you can change in login
[08:57] <str8edge> anacron: yeah
[08:57] <anacron> ogg: you don't have to reboot
[08:58] <ogg> ok
[08:58] <anacron> ogg: just log out :)
[08:58] <ogg> ctrl + alt + backspace?
[08:58] <benplaut> NO
[08:58] <titanium> what's the best way to transfer files to and from my ubuntu machine from a windows xp machine? currently i'm using normal ftp.
[08:59] <Seveas> samba?
[08:59] <dalamar> my keyboard is possesed, sometimes it works, sometimes only certain keys work, sometimes even though I hit a key once it justs keeps hitting it like im holding it down, sometimes it just plain turns off, its a basic ps2 keyboard, and granted it was 7 dollars so it may just be the crap keyboard but was wondering if it maybe be a config error or something?
[08:59] <titanium> !samba
[08:59] <ubotu> rumour has it, samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[08:59] <titanium> i have samba shares set up already on my chipped xbox so it shouldn't be too hard to set it up in ubuntu
[09:00] <DekaPink> Hey all... I'm trying to run the linux version of Tibia... and it's giving me a "No server running on host" area... and someone helped me fix it a time before and now I can't remember what to do... something about having to add the port number to... Something.
[09:02] <Jhonny> algum pode me responder qual ser o boot loader do breezy?
[09:02] <benplaut> !fr
[09:02] <ubotu> [fr] Va a #ubuntu-fr pour aide et discussion en francais
[09:02] <EasterSunshine> that does not look like french...
[09:02] <benplaut> hmm
[09:02] <Jhonny> not
[09:03] <Jhonny> portuguese
[09:03] <benplaut> !pr
[09:03] <ubotu> benplaut: What?
[09:03] <benplaut> !po
[09:03] <ubotu> benplaut: I don't know
[09:03] <benplaut> hmm
[09:03] <CookedGryphon> i get it as summat like what will the bootloader b for breezy
[09:03] <CookedGryphon> spanish perhaps
[09:03] <Jhonny> but, please, can someone knows which one wil be the boot loader
[09:03] <benplaut> RUB
[09:04] <benplaut> *GRUB
[09:04] <dalamar> probably grub, why would they change?
[09:04] <Jhonny> thanks
[09:04] <Jhonny> i don't know. i'm a ubuntu-br translator
[09:04] <EasterSunshine> that makes me want to go in #ubuntu-fr and try to compose who sentences
[09:04] <EasterSunshine> s/who/whole
[09:05] <Jhonny> and i saw lilo there
[09:05] <DekaPink> Anyone know what I have to do? :D
[09:05] <EasterSunshine> DekaPink: you have to ask a question...what are you trying to do?
[09:05] <EasterSunshine> oh nvm, i see it
[09:06] <benplaut> Jhonny, lilo is optional, but GRUB is and will be the deafault
[09:07] <DekaPink> EasterSunshine: I'm trying to use Tibia, but I forgot what I have to do to let Ubuntu let it... access my connection, or whatever. ^^
[09:07] <lui> str8edge, now i'm using the live cd. how do I use the fsck on my hardrive filesystem_
[09:07] <EasterSunshine> DekaPink: sry i have no clue what tibia is
[09:07] <lui> _
[09:07] <lui> ?
[09:07] <EasterSunshine> it sounds like a bone in my leg
[09:07] <str8edge> what's the boot partiton you need to fsck?
[09:07] <phanter> hello, is there a way to move the directory of evolution from the home folder to an other folder?
[09:07] <frequency> does anyone have any problems with file transfers in Gaim?
[09:07] <lui> hda
[09:07] <EasterSunshine> oh...i get it fsck=filesystem check...
[09:07] <^^frank^^> When I plug a USB device it hasn't auto-mounted and I can't see icon on desktop. How fix?
[09:08] <DekaPink> EasterSunshine: It's an online RPG... I need to add the port it needs to access to... something... to make it work, but I can't remember what.
[09:08] <str8edge> lui: whats the partition you want to check.
[09:08] <lui> str8edge, the hda partition
[09:08] <EasterSunshine> frequency: yes, it cannot do them. try setting a static nat from your router to your box so it bypasses the firewall
[09:08] <frequency> lui: hda's a disk, not a partition
[09:08] <str8edge> lui: do you know which number?
[09:09] <lui> I think is 0
[09:09] <pcharky> ^^frank^^: open a terminal, run dmesg | tail -n 20 and paste to pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl
[09:09] <EasterSunshine> frequency: but that will the interenet to access the ports on your box
[09:09] <frequency> EasterSunshine: you mean Gaim doesn't work behind a firewall?
[09:09] <str8edge> lui: hd(0) in grub is hda in linux.
[09:09] <frequency> er.. won't transfer files
[09:09] <str8edge> oops
[09:09] <str8edge> lui: hd(0) in grub is hda1 in linux.
[09:09] <te[a] bag> hey guys, i got a question, anyone willing to help me out?
[09:09] <EasterSunshine> frequency: i am not sure but that is what i think, it picks some odd ports to do the trasnder in
[09:10] <pcharky> te[a] bag: ask your question.
[09:10] <^^frank^^> pcharky : ok tnks
[09:10] <lui> str8edge, there is only ubuntu in the IDE0 of my pc
[09:10] <te[a] bag> thanks
[09:10] <te[a] bag> ok
[09:10] <frequency> EasterSunshine: the firewall shouldn't have anything to do with outgoing file transfers, though, should it?
[09:10] <te[a] bag> my apt-get upgrade isnt working
[09:10] <CookedGryphon> I have downloaded a game in a .jar thingy,how do i run it? i also have the latest java runtime from www.java.com cos limewire needed it anyway
[09:10] <te[a] bag> it freezes at 23%
[09:10] <EasterSunshine> frequency: outgoing, no
[09:10] <str8edge> lui: fsck.ext3 /dev/hda1 should do it then.
[09:10] <te[a] bag> and it says connection timed out
[09:11] <iungo> java -jar yourpacke.jar
[09:11] <te[a] bag> im a little stuck as to what to do about it :/
[09:11] <pcharky> te[a] bag: please include my nick in replies... your messages will popup in red, which is nice since i'm lazy. ;)
[09:11] <frequency> EasterSunshine: also, my roommate and i are both on the same side of the firewall and we can't send them back and forth to each other. i can't figure it out.. i've heard of people being able to send files in Gaim, though..
[09:11] <lui> str8edge, ok then. thanks again.
[09:11] <EasterSunshine> frequency: file transfer is actually not considered a feature of gaim, i believe
[09:11] <snorks> is there a 64 bit xmms version yet?
[09:11] <te[a] bag> ok hehe sorry pcharky
[09:11] <frequency> ouch
[09:12] <te[a] bag> pcharky: my apt-get upgrade isnt working, it freezes at 23%, and it says connection timed out, im a little stuck as to what to do about it :/
[09:12] <pcharky> te[a] bag: can you connect to internet with other means (firefox, irc)?
[09:12] <te[a] bag> pcharky: i can connect via ftp on the command line, and telnet, but i can connect via firefox
[09:13] <te[a] bag> *cant
[09:13] <^^frank^^> pcharky : done
[09:13] <CookedGryphon> thanks iungo
[09:13] <pcharky> te[a] bag: what's in: /etc/resolv.conf
[09:13] <spiral> te[a] bag: lol.. which one's a can't ?
[09:13] <pcharky> te[a] bag: paste to pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl
[09:14] <te[a] bag> spiral: lol firefox is the "cant"
[09:14] <te[a] bag> pcharky: ok ill check
[09:14] <pcharky> ^^frank^^: hmm, do you have an url? I don't get new posts when i refresh.
[09:14] <pcharky> ^^frank^^: got it, sorry.
[09:14] <^^frank^^> pcharky: apologies, the url is: http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/1480
[09:15] <anacron> amm, there are few antivirus softwares for linux, are those for deleting linux viruses, or the windows ones?
[09:15] <DekaPink> If I need to access a specific port number and I'm not able to... What do I need to do? :3
[09:15] <derek> hey, i am using the warty livecd (i have breezy installed on my machine but its broken, so i popped in the warty live cd) and i am having a problem. On my screen, at evenly placed intervals there are colored boxes. can someone help me with this?
[09:15] <te[a] bag> pcharky: nameserver 192.168.1.1
[09:15] <geneo93> clamav anacron
[09:16] <Seveas> anacron, they delete windows viruses too
[09:16] <stig___> hi
[09:16] <Seveas> at least clamav does that
[09:16] <pcharky> te[a] bag: can you connect to that? ping 192.168.1.1
[09:17] <te[a] bag> pcharky: yea it replies
[09:17] <Django> list
[09:17] <te[a] bag> pcharky: its my router, so i should hope i can connect to that ;)
[09:18] <pcharky> ^^frank^^: you can mount the drive manually, create a mount point on the filesystem, and use the mount command to mount it ;)
[09:18] <asfra> hi, I just converted a ntfs partition to ext3, gparted says that it is hidden, how can I unhide it so that I can use it? thanks...
[09:19] <derek> anyone?
[09:20] <asfra> I guess the fact that it is hidden is the reason why it isn't metioned in /etc/fstab
[09:20] <^^frank^^> pcharky: eheh ;-) anyway this happens on Breezy on Hoary all was ok
[09:20] <geneo93> derek: reboot
[09:20] <pcharky> ^^frank^^: yeah, breezy still needs work :)
[09:21] <asfra> !unhide
[09:21] <ubotu> I don't know, asfra
[09:22] <pcharky> te[a] bag: do you have a 'default' entry when you run: route
[09:23] <sam__> Hello, I'm new to this, I am trying to install Skype for Linux. Do I fallow the directions for the rpm version or the tar.bz2 version. I am running Ubuntu and I am trying to install the debian package version.
[09:23] <sam__> Any help is appriciated.
[09:23] <asfra> sam__ read www.ubuntuguide.com
[09:23] <asfra> it says how to install
[09:23] <asfra> by using apt
[09:24] <sam__> Okay, thanks, I'll check it out.
[09:24] <te[a] bag> pcharky: default mygateway1.ar7 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0
[09:24] <asfra> hi, I just converted a ntfs partition to ext3, gparted says that it is hidden, how can I unhide it so that I can use it? thanks...
[09:25] <data-nerd> how to mount a disk????
[09:25] <data-nerd> mount xxx
[09:25] <phanter> how can I make a symbolic link like: ln <home folder on ext3> <some folder on fat32>
[09:26] <asfra> data-nerd: the partition is hidden so I cant mount it...
[09:26] <data-nerd> asfra, i shall mount a ext3
[09:26] <sew3521> hello im brand new to the linux OS can someone point me in the right direction to a good guide to learn it?
[09:26] <manu_> does some one now the source to add for mplayer
[09:26] <manu_> ?
[09:26] <manu_> some how i can find it
[09:26] <asfra> data-nerd: me too
[09:26] <manu_> with apt
[09:26] <Seveas> manu_, multiverse
[09:26] <Seveas> !sources
[09:26] <ubotu> sources are at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[09:27] <data-nerd> asfra, it is possible!
[09:27] <DekaPink> Does anyone have any experience with running tibia on ubuntu? :3
[09:27] <data-nerd> asfra, but how?
[09:27] <Seveas> sew3521, www.tldp.org
[09:27] <sew3521> thanks
[09:27] <asfra> data-nerd: look in /etc/fstab and man -a mount
[09:27] <dalamar> i swear no one reads the wiki
[09:27] <Mestapheles> anybody know if one needs to create gaps between music data tracks being recorded as 'raw music to CD' to allow for track searches on regu cd players?
[09:27] <Seveas> phanter, ln -s /path/to/source /path/to/destination
[09:27] <asfra> data-nerd: I guess you know more than me however :)
[09:28] <data-nerd> How do I mount a ext3 partition?
[09:28] <data-nerd> asfra, no:P
[09:28] <Seveas> data-nerd, with mount
[09:28] <Seveas> see the manpage for mount for details
[09:28] <data-nerd> seveas, didn't understand it currently...
[09:28] <asfra> data-nerd: I guess you know more than me however :)
[09:28] <Seveas> the sort version: mount -t ext3 /dev/YOUR_DISK /path/to/mountpoint
[09:28] <data-nerd> it is disk 0, partition 3 i think
[09:28] <data-nerd> ext3
[09:28] <asfra> data-nerd: or you should change your name :P
[09:29] <snorks> mount /dev/hdaX (where x is the partition) /home/data-nerd/drittstasjon <- f.eks.
[09:29] <snorks> data-nerd: husk at du maa mekke dir hvor du skal mounte den
[09:29] <tristanmike> 'ello all
[09:29] <pcharky> te[a] bag: can you ping to an outside ip?
[09:29] <ntldr> Hi. I'm trying to install nvidia drivers but it asks for kernel source. How do I get it?
[09:29] <sew3521> I only have read only attributes for menu.lst (for Grub) how can i get write attributes?
[09:29] <data-nerd> snorks hva er root p disken da?
[09:29] <te[a] bag> pcharky: yea i can
[09:29] <Seveas> data-nerd, snorks, stick to english in here please
[09:30] <snorks> data-nerd: root on your disk is probably hmm. sec
[09:30] <pcharky> te[a] bag: and to a doman name?
[09:30] <te[a] bag> pcharky: i have ssh running on there if thats any easier to poke around in?
[09:30] <Mestapheles> solo ingles aqui?
[09:30] <asfra> Seveas: to unhide a partition do I have to do something to grub?
[09:30] <Seveas> asfra, only if you hid it with grub before...
[09:30] <te[a] bag> pcharky: yea i can
[09:31] <Seveas> !es
[09:31] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[09:31] <Seveas> ^-- Mestapheles
[09:31] <Mestapheles> I'm joking
[09:31] <asfra> Seveas: I guess it was automatically hidden because it used to be an nfts partition which linux can't see
[09:32] <sew3521> linux cant read ntfs partitions right?
[09:32] <pcharky> te[a] bag: that's wierd, what's in your /etc/apt/sources.list? paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[09:32] <Seveas> asfra, grub does not automatically hide anything
[09:32] <data-nerd> snorks, om
[09:32] <data-nerd> pm*
[09:32] <MrGardenHoseMan> .dll file are strctly windows right?
[09:32] <ntldr> Where do I get the kernel source?
[09:32] <MrGardenHoseMan> files*
[09:33] <geneo93> yeah it can read ntfs
[09:33] <no_gatez_fan> can read no write
[09:33] <Seveas> MrGardenHoseMan, not per se
[09:33] <sew3521> how do i make it so i can read my ntfs drive?
[09:33] <Seveas> C# uses dll files too
[09:33] <Seveas> sew3521: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[09:34] <sew3521> ok thanks seveas
[09:34] <barongas> Where can I find the source for ubuntu kernel 2.6.10? It's not on my apt source.list
[09:34] <Seveas> linux-source-2.6.10 - but you generally do not need it, not even for compiling drivers...
[09:34] <pcharky> barongas: apt-get install linux-source-2.6
[09:35] <barongas> Seveas: I need it to install my apt-drivers
[09:35] <pcharky> barongas: apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10 sorry
[09:35] <barongas> pcharky: Thanks
[09:35] <ntldr> Sorry for repeating. I'm trying to install nvidia drivers but it asks for kernel source. How do I get it?
[09:35] <Seveas> barongas, usually linux-headers-$(uname -r) is enough
[09:35] <Seveas> ntldr, don't use drivers from nvidia.com.
[09:36] <ntldr> but where?
[09:36] <Seveas> if you had paid attention, we just told barongas ...
[09:36] <lui> Seveas, how can i make the knotes run everytime I log in ubuntu?
[09:36] <dalamar> !nvidia
[09:36] <ubotu> it has been said that nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or quick optimizations https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia?highlight=%28nvidia%29
[09:36] <barongas> Seveas: Yeah, used to debians kernel-source-uname -r
[09:36] <Seveas> aff it to your session - no idea how that works in kde
[09:36] <manu_> sorry but wich source is it exactly for mplayer... they are too much ??
[09:36] <Seveas> manu_, multiverse
[09:37] <manu_> deb http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[09:37] <manu_> ?
[09:38] <lui> Seveas, how can i make the knotes run everytime I log in ubuntu?
[09:38] <pcharky> te[a] bag: did you just post your sources.list?
[09:38] <Seveas> I just told you
[09:38] <Zodiac> What the heck is knotes?
[09:38] <Seveas> add it to your session - no idea how that works in kde
[09:39] <Zodiac> Well, just about everyone in my family is now running Ubuntu :)
[09:39] <david__> hey
[09:39] <Seveas> good!
[09:39] <david__> does anyone know how to get ubuntu to read my fat32 drive?
[09:39] <Seveas> david__: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[09:39] <Zodiac> If I can get my mom to give up Corel I am sure she will run it as well :)
[09:39] <david__> ahh to sev
[09:39] <lui> anybody, how can i make the knotes run everytime I log in ubuntu?
[09:39] <david__> this isn't a win partition though, it's just for sharing files between win and linux
[09:40] <Seveas> david__, makes no difference
[09:40] <Zodiac> They are so dumbfounded they dont need to run virus or spyware programs anymore
[09:40] <david__> Seveas, k ty i'll try that
[09:40] <Seveas> the program checks for fat32/ntfs/hfs+ drives :)
[09:40] <bodhi> hi, my ubuntu system runs fine but my system menu has dissapeared, any idea?
[09:40] <quad> i have a problem with the warty livecd, can someone help me?
[09:40] <douglas> new to linux, any web site ideas to read?
[09:40] <quad> i get these weird boxes everywhere on the screen when using the warty livecd
[09:41] <Seveas> douglas, wiki.ubuntu.com, www.tldp.org are nice documentation sites
[09:41] <te[a] bag> pcharky: i looked at them, and the first 2 lines were commented out, so im uncommenting them to see if that works
[09:41] <benplaut> !ghosts
[09:41] <ubotu> benplaut: Are you on ritalin?
[09:41] <benplaut> no
[09:41] <Seveas> warty has no system menu bodhi
[09:41] <douglas> thanks going there now
[09:41] <CookedGryphon> bodhi, right click on the panel n click add to panel, pick it from there
[09:42] <CookedGryphon> oh jstu the system menu
[09:42] <benplaut> qaud: it's called a ghost... it's a problem with the xserver...
[09:42] <david__> ty sev
[09:42] <benplaut> can't really be permanently fixed
[09:42] <bz0b> 9+-
[09:43] <bodhi> i mean, i see gnome logo, but I can't access to system submenu (synaptic etc)
[09:43] <ntldr> Hi again. I got nvidia working, thanks
[09:43] <david__> Seveas, ty so much, now both my win hd and my shared hd show up
[09:43] <david__> i love you
[09:43] <david__> Seveas, have my babies
[09:43] <Seveas> david__, send donations to ubuntu ;)
[09:43] <dalamar> haha!
[09:43] <Zodiac> Your giving them to him?:
[09:43] <david__> Seveas, sounds like a plan!
[09:44] <Zodiac> I would take em dude
[09:44] <asfra> Seveas: when I try to unhide the partition in grub I get a 'unrecognized device string'. What is then hiding it? thank you...
[09:44] <Zodiac> Do you know how much babies are worth on the black market?
[09:44] <dalamar> lol
[09:44] <ntldr> Seveas, now that i got that working, how do I enable tv-out on nvidia?
[09:44] <Seveas> ntldr, ENOIDEA
[09:44] <dalamar> just make them sit next to your computer and clean your screen on command
[09:45] <ntldr> :\
[09:45] <ntldr> ok, thanks anyway
[09:45] <geneo93> nvidia-settings
[09:45] <barongas> Which package contains make-kpkg or equivalent for ubuntu?
[09:45] <Seveas> kernel-package
[09:46] <Zodiac> What is a good program that is comparable to Word Perfect?
[09:46] <david__> uhoh, new issue for david!!! omglolol!
[09:46] <pcharky> ntldr: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1483
[09:46] <barongas> Seveas: Thanks once again
[09:46] <Zodiac> I have to get my mom to give it up
[09:46] <geneo93> ntldr: i think that will work
[09:46] <Seveas> Zodiac, abiword is nice
[09:46] <david__> i just reinstalled ubuntu, and am trying to dl the bazillion updates from the red circle, and use the nub install script to set up flash, mp3 support etc
[09:46] <bodhi> Seveas: any idea? may be a gnome problem?
[09:46] <david__> but they both give me errors about the ftp server sucking
[09:46] <david__> is it down or something?
[09:46] <devazion> Zodiac: OpenOffice or KWord.
[09:46] <Seveas> Davey, nub install scripts from the forums/ubuntuguide generally suck...
[09:46] <Zodiac> Is abiword better than openoffice?
[09:47] <Seveas> abiword is faster :)
[09:47] <devazion> Zodiac: No, OpenOffice is superior.
[09:47] <david__> Seveas, i just ran it on a friend's comp a few days ago though and it's a very quick way to set up alot of stuff
[09:47] <te[a] bag> pcharky: http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/1484
[09:47] <Zodiac> Really>
[09:47] <Zodiac> ?
[09:47] <geneo93> ntldr: yes its in nvidia-settings
[09:47] <david__> it's the same caliu.info server that gives me errors on the auto update with synaptec
[09:47] <Davey> seb128, that was meant for david__ ?
[09:47] <Zodiac> devazion: how come?
[09:47] <david__> like the red circle by the time
[09:48] <bz0b> hey guys
[09:48] <david__> hey bz0b
[09:48] <Seveas> david__, yay for the crappy nub scripts
[09:48] <Seveas> that server sucks
[09:48] <bz0b> ubotu tell bz0b about sources
[09:48] <pcharky> te[a] bag: something's terribly wrong with your dns. 16% [Connecting to archive.ubuntu.com (1.0.0.0)]
[09:48] <david__> Seveas, gotta love em :)
[09:48] <Seveas> david__, this make me hate them even more
[09:49] <te[a] bag> pcharky: oh crap :/ not really sure what to do now
[09:49] <Seveas> since we in here hve to solve their damage
[09:49] <david__> Seveas haha, i'll tyr again later i guess
[09:49] <Seveas> david__, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:49] <david__> Seveas, but it must be an important server because the ubuntu updater uses it too and can't get ot it either
[09:49] <Seveas> put a # in front of the line with that caliu server
[09:49] <pcharky> te[a] bag: try a different dns server. you can define them in /etc/resolv.cnf
[09:49] <Seveas> that server is not important, it should not even be used
[09:49] <david__> Seveas, oh shit i forgot to add that
[09:49] <pcharky> te[a] bag: s/cnf/conf/
[09:50] <david__> the multiverse and stuff
[09:50] <Seveas> !tell david__ about sources
[09:51] <DekaPink> Damn 'no server running on host' error. --;
[09:51] <Deep6> I'm getting no sound out of alsa right now
[09:51] <oceandead> is colony-3 the last beta?
[09:52] <Deep6> alsa device default doesn't exist
[09:52] <kamstrup> oceandead: yes
[09:52] <Seveas> oceandead, it's the latest, not the last
[09:52] <Deep6> yet it's listed under the volume control albeit as the 3rd devic
[09:52] <Deep6> e
[09:52] <david__> this is odd
[09:52] <oceandead> k
[09:53] <david__> i can't get to the link Seveas sent me or the ubuntu wiki. it asks to accept the certificate but hitting ok does nothing... arg
[09:53] <Zodiac> If my ipod is named "death from above", what should the mount point be named in GTKpod?
[09:53] <bfree> does anyone have a link for info on the livecd ... ? I can't find much. Specifically can you use boot options to do debconf-preseeding and avoid the keyboard/language questions (for example)?
[09:53] <te[a] bag> pcharky: hmm ive never done this sorta thing before, cat /etc/resolv.conf gives me nameserver 192.168.1.1, im not sure what DNS to put or where to put it :/ sorry for being an ass btw
[09:53] <drunken-wallaby> hi everyone!
[09:54] <Gorth> what's the iso burner that comes with ubuntu
[09:54] <mjr> Gorth, nautilus
[09:54] <Gorth> thanks!
[09:54] <vitriol> can someone show me what a breezy metaverse entry in sources.list should look like?
[09:54] <Deep6> can anyone help with my alsa issue?
[09:54] <caliminus> i got a big problem i lost all of gnome window border how do i repair that
[09:55] <drunken-wallaby> i got a little problem once again :) anybody knows how to calculate the actual track length of an mp3/ogg file with the informations coming von the id3 tag? is this possible?
[09:55] <CookedGryphon> sounds like ure window manager is gone
[09:55] <CookedGryphon> caliminus*
[09:55] <tristanmike> why is there a DVD download of the Hoary install???
[09:55] <tristanmike> can someone explain?
[09:55] <pcharky> te[a] bag: It's okay, you're not. your isp probably provided you with a dns server. You can check out their website for such info.
[09:55] <drunken-wallaby> cause i want to create a script to create covers for mp3-cds automatically with latex...
[09:55] <bodhi> a submenu has disappeared from my menu in Ubuntu, any idea?
[09:55] <mjr> tristanmike, why shouldn't there?
[09:55] <Davey> tristanmike, contains the live cd and the install disk, I think. Something like that
[09:55] <lui> why I try to play mp3's in juk and I can't here nothing?
[09:55] <CookedGryphon> caliminus, go to a console n type "ps -ae|grep metacity"
[09:56] <Davey> btw, the ShipIt CDs are just fantastic :)
[09:56] <geneo93> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy universe multiverse
[09:56] <tristanmike> mjr: well, aside from the fact that a DVD is 4.6 GB and the CD is 700 MB there a DVD can play a CD
[09:56] <ntldr> geneo93, thanks a lot!
[09:56] <CookedGryphon> caliminus, if nothing comes up then that's what's wrong
[09:56] <tristanmike> Like if you had only had a DVD rom would you need the DVD version of the install?
[09:56] <te[a] bag> pcharky: ok, thanks for all your help. i shall carry on and see if i can solve this. im sure ill be back tomorrow :P
[09:56] <tristanmike> I wouldn't think so
[09:56] <caliminus> so i have to reinstall gnome
[09:56] <geneo93> ntldr: what did i do now
[09:57] <pcharky> te[a] bag: good luck, seeya ;)
[09:57] <ntldr> told me about nvidia-settings
[09:57] <lui> help, I can't hear mp3's in juk
[09:57] <ntldr> :)
[09:57] <rosa> HI ! how do i install kubuntu when i already got ubuntu
[09:57] <mjr> tristanmike, all of ubuntu main does not fit on a CD, it's a core selection. Plus the DVD contains both a live system and the installer
[09:57] <ntldr> I just have to enable twinview somehow
[09:58] <dougsk> rosa, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:58] <geneo93> ntldr: O
[09:58] <CookedGryphon> caliminus, just the metacity window manager
[09:58] <tristanmike> I'm having a REALLY bad install luck with 2 friends
[09:58] <rosa> thanks
[09:58] <CookedGryphon> take it uve tried a restart
[09:58] <tristanmike> Grasping at straws now
[09:58] <geneo93> ntldr: there should be wiki for that
[09:59] <ntldr> looking
[09:59] <tristanmike> Even removing the HD in the BIOS, Windows still takes over and boots, can't get the CD to boot
[10:00] <caliminus> k thanks
[10:00] <Blissex> tristanmike: you _must_ tell the BIOS to goot from CD. Just about only way.
[10:00] <Blissex> tristanmike: to get some bioses to do that Requires some bizarre key presses.
[10:00] <tristanmike> Blissex, I have, removed it completely from the Boot menu, Window's still boots up
[10:01] <tristanmike> Blissex, that's what I meant by 'removing the HD'
[10:01] <geneo93> tristanmike: try f12 before win boots
[10:01] <Blissex> tristanmike: tristanmike thats the wrong way to do it -- you need to add the CD to the boot menu before the HD.
[10:01] <tristanmike> Blissex, ?? I didn't have to do that with my system, can you elaborate please?
[10:02] <tristanmike> Blissex, and no, I don't have a dell, custom built
[10:03] <geneo93> tristanmike: in bios your need boot cdrom first
[10:03] <Blissex> tristanmike: all BIOSes have a list of which devices they should try to boot from, and they try them top to bottom. You should have the CD first in that list, or at least ahead of the HD. Usually the best order is floppy, CD/DVD, HD
[10:04] <filip> can someone test if my ftp server work?
[10:04] <dalamar> mine comp is totally custom and I had to still enable cdrom before hdd for it to work right during an install or anytime I need to boot from cd
[10:04] <elvirolo> hi all
[10:04] <tristanmike> Blissex, I do understand that. what I am saying is that yes, that should work too, but when I install, I just take the HD out completely and it "forces" to boot from cd if nothing else. anyway, I don't think he has tried with HD at the end, will try
[10:04] <elvirolo> has anyone managed to compile the quake III engine ?because i get the following error : http://sial.org/pbot/12637
[10:05] <tristanmike> Blissex, he says that even when installing Windows, he has to do it from floppies
[10:05] <tristanmike> Blissex, which sounded odd to me
[10:05] <mrquick> hi I just pasted my dmesg, having a problem in 2.6.10-5-686-smp where usb controller is detected then fails
[10:05] <dalamar> his cdrom might not be bootable then
[10:05] <Blissex> tristanmike: thats ridiculous -- unless the PC is at least 10 years old.
[10:05] <elvirolo> ideas anyone?
[10:05] <reazon_> hey
[10:05] <tristanmike> Blissex, apparently new
[10:05] <reazon_> where does UBUNTU store the smbpasswd file?
[10:05] <tristanmike> Blissex, Semperon 3000
[10:05] <Blissex> tristanmike: so he is not setting the BIOS right...
[10:05] <dalamar> or he doesnt know how to set the bios boot order correctly
[10:06] <tristanmike> dalamar, is that possible?
[10:06] <benplaut> hello?
[10:06] <tristanmike> dalamar, about the unbootable cd?
[10:06] <dalamar> no not with a computer that new
[10:06] <tristanmike> dalamar, i didn't think so, I'm so-so with trouble shooting windows, and trying everything I can think of
[10:06] <snorks> is there a way to save current irssi setup?
[10:07] <tristanmike> dalamar, that is to say only been using Linux for 1 1/2 months
[10:07] <tristanmike> :)
[10:07] <jbull> anyone care to help with an ACPI problem?
[10:07] <dalamar> hes just not setting up the boot order right in the bios is all this is, i run a sempron 2600+ with kt600 chipset and I still need to go into the bios and enable cdrom before hdd in the boot order options for it to load right
[10:07] <snorks> exit
[10:07] <EasterSunshine> i need a nice meaningful or cool sounding two or three letter hostname...pm me
[10:07] <mrquick> can anyone take a look at my pasted dmesg and give me an idea as to why the usb controller isn't working?
[10:08] <dougsk> actually with that new of a board there should be an option like F11 to choose boot order and skip the bios altogether
[10:08] <Deep6> can anyone help me with sound I'm getting alsa device doesn't exist?
[10:08] <tristanmike> dalamar, cool, will report back, I didn't think it mattered to have the HD in at all, well, it doesn't seem to on mine anyway
[10:08] <mrquick> it works in 2.4 and earlier 2.6 kernels
[10:08] <dalamar> tristanmike, well if cdrom isnt in the list of boot order at all it is a possibility
[10:09] <tristanmike> dalamar, no, it's there I believe
[10:09] <tristanmike> I'm even getting to the point that I want him to take out the hard-drive phyiscally from the system to see if it will even get to a
[10:09] <tristanmike> *cd boot that way
[10:09] <dalamar> tristanmike, hmm, is the installation disk bad possibly?
[10:10] <digitalslave> anyone use poker3d?
[10:10] <CookedGryphon> can't you make a floppy boot disk and run the cd install from that?
[10:10] <vitriol> i'm having trouble installing ubuntu-desktop after upgrading from hoary
[10:10] <tristanmike> MD5 checksum apparently fine, burned at 4x as per my request
[10:10] <dalamar> CookedGryphon, good idea
[10:10] <vitriol> says alot of stuff 'won't be installed' and refuses to install ubuntu-desktop :(
[10:10] <vitriol> anybody know how to fix this?
[10:10] <dalamar> tristanmike, maybe try what CookedGryphon said and boot off a floppy then run the install from there
[10:10] <tristanmike> CookedGryphon, trying but the bin file on the install cd is too big!?
[10:11] <_frank> vitriol: you upgraded from hoary? you may be on your own
[10:11] <tristanmike> That is /install/sbm.bin
[10:11] <tristanmike> Says too big for floppy, but it's only 1.44 MB
[10:12] <dalamar> i dont even have a floppy drive so I'm unfamiliar with this, but there maybe a way to format a boot disk from a working ubuntu install or possibly downloaded off the web somewhere?
[10:12] <nickrud> vitriol, that message is from apt-get?
[10:12] <mrquick> usb is freaking broke
[10:12] <dougsk> CookedGryphon, ubuntu doens't really support floppy install, the kernel is too large. Some people used the darge boot floppies and then upgraded to ubuntu -- I've tried twice, one went well and one went horribly wrong
[10:13] <dougsk> darge/sarge
[10:13] <nickrud> you might want to try synaptic or aptitude in it's interactive mode. They have better handling of broken packages
[10:13] <vitriol> nickrud: yes that's right
[10:13] <vitriol> nickrud: i can't use either of those
[10:13] <tristanmike> dougsk, azz on the fourms suggested that
[10:13] <vitriol> nickrud: no X environment
[10:13] <jelkner> does anyone know the state of the breezy x86-64 installation disks?
[10:13] <nickrud> vitriol, aptitude is ncurses, works in a virtual terminal
[10:14] <david__> wehenver i get a new kernal image
[10:14] <david__> grub deletes my windows partitiosn from menu.list
[10:14] <vitriol> nickrud: oohh my mistake :)
[10:14] <david__> and i don't know the commands to add it back
[10:14] <vitriol> nickrud: i'll try that
[10:14] <nickrud> vitriol, a couple of pointers for interactive:
[10:14] <tristanmike> Is there a BIOS setting I might not be thinking of??
[10:14] <firefly2442> how do you install ubuntu with lilo and NOT grub?
[10:15] <tristanmike> nVidia for video too
[10:15] <joe_> Palm OSDevices asks for an Owner name (which i know) but how am i supposed to get the ID?
[10:15] <Fanskapet> hmm anyone have the original apt/sources file and is willing to dcc it to me?
[10:15] <nickrud> the command / is search, and \ is repeat last search; + is install, - is uninstall, and _ is purge
[10:15] <david__> does anyone know if theres a way to re-auto config grub
[10:15] <dougsk> Firefly, there is an expert boot option
[10:15] <caliminus> grub error 18 what is that
[10:15] <tristanmike> Fanskapet, how do you want it?
[10:15] <Fanskapet> dcc works for me :)
[10:16] <vitriol> nickrud: i think that might be working! thanks!!
[10:16] <Fanskapet> just need the standard sources.
[10:16] <tristanmike> Fanskapet, sorry, dcc??
[10:16] <nickrud> vitriol, np.
[10:16] <vitriol> now i'll *finally* have breezy working :D
[10:16] <firefly2442> I tried "server-expert"
[10:16] <firefly2442> is that it?
[10:16] <dougsk> firefly2442, yeah you should have the option
[10:16] <tristanmike> Fanskapet, I faild Anograms101
[10:17] <tristanmike> Fanskapet, what is dcc?
[10:17] <codomaniac> hi anyone here tried fluxbox on ubuntu ?
[10:17] <Fanskapet> tristanmike /dcc /etc/apt/sources.list fanskapet
[10:17] <Fanskapet> in xchat should do the trick
[10:18] <tristanmike> Fanskapet, i just remembered, it's on ubuntuguide.org
[10:19] <nophix> codomaniac: ask the real question
[10:20] <digitalslave> anyone know how to connect to a game with poker3d?
[10:20] <firefly2442> to install lilo, do I need to do anything in the shell?
[10:21] <tristanmike> Fanskapet, did you get it??
[10:21] <joe_> ls
[10:21] <jbull> anyone experience a problem with the gnome-battstat applet returning "time remaining unkown"?
[10:21] <nophix> firefly2442: sudo apt-get install lilo ?
[10:21] <digitalslave> lilo is in synaptic with docs
[10:22] <firefly2442> I get a grub geom error
[10:22] <firefly2442> on boot
[10:22] <firefly2442> so grub isn't really working at all
[10:22] <joe_> so does anyone here have a palm connected to a linux desktop?
[10:23] <caliminus> grub error 18 what is that
[10:23] <Zero--> Hi folks
[10:24] <Zero--> Got a barebones install of Breezy and I'm trying to install ubuntu-desktop but abt craps out
[10:24] <Zero--> Sorry apt craps out about missing deps
[10:24] <nophix> you should use hoary instead
[10:24] <manu_> does some one know where i can find different skins for mplayer ?
[10:24] <LasseL> why are everybody rushing to install breezy?
[10:24] <tristanmike> dalmar, got any other suggestions
[10:24] <Zero--> Looks like libcairo...
[10:24] <LasseL> too much time on your hands?
[10:25] <nophix> manu_: mplayer.hq.hu
[10:25] <dalamar> they enjoy complaining about things that dont work?
[10:25] <nickrud> LasseL, it's working pretty well, actually.
[10:25] <geneo91> its like a new car
[10:25] <tiglionabbit> how do I do a reverse grep? As in, find lines that /don't/ contain a certain pattern?
[10:25] <nickrud> um, the stuff I use, anyway :)
[10:25] <Zero--> Not comaplainign at all no need to be that way
[10:25] <LasseL> i used to run gentoo, i got rid of that urge
[10:25] <firefly2442> I think I got it working... installing....
[10:25] <manu_> i don t speak tcheck
[10:25] <manu_> sorry
[10:26] <VeloxS> HappyFool: I finally fixed it...apparently it likes the first IDE channel, but not the second IDE channel.
[10:26] <LasseL> tiglionabbit, man grep ? :p
[10:26] <LasseL> tiglionabbit, grep -v
[10:26] <tiglionabbit> thank you, LasseL
[10:27] <__Lamont__> hello all
[10:27] <dalamar> tristanmike, honestly I would have figured it was cdrom wasnt before hdd in the bios boot order, I have no clue now
[10:27] <__Lamont__> Can anyone tell me how to stop Xwindows without changing the runlevel? I need to install newer nvidia drivers
[10:27] <tristanmike> dalamar, who might know, do you know/
[10:27] <tristanmike> ?
[10:28] <Zero--> Builing a test install in Windows using CoLinux, boostrapped from Debian 3.0r2 -> Ubuntu ;P
[10:28] <dalamar> nope ;/
[10:29] <CookedGryphon> __Lamont__, i found that if u change to a terminal and login (using ctrl alt + F1, then press cxtrl alt f7 to go back into X server, then ctrl alt backsp to quit x server, it ended rather than restarted
[10:29] <dalamar> my keyboard is possesed, sometimes it works, sometimes only certain keys work, sometimes even though I hit a key once it justs keeps hitting it like im holding it down, sometimes it just plain turns off, its a basic ps2 keyboard, and granted it was 7 dollars so it may just be the crap keyboard but was wondering if it maybe be a config error or something?
[10:29] <nickrud> __Lamont__, log out of your desktop, hit ctl-alt-f1, log in, and sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[10:29] <apollo2011> I think I have figured out that Samba is not working on my main box because somehow some of the files provided in the samba-common package have gotten wiped out. However, when I reinstall the package in Synaptic, these files aren't restored. How come? and how can I get them to be replaced?
[10:30] <digitalslave> why not remove then reinstall from synaptic?
[10:30] <apollo2011> I can;t uninstall the package because that would also require uninstalling the ubuntu-desktop package...
[10:30] <Meek> Hey can someone help me, I just installed linux on my computer and now I don't know what to do, are there any good tutorials or documentation that will tell me how to activate stuff and do things?
[10:30] <apollo2011> among others...
[10:31] <nophix> Meek: wiki.ubuntu.com
[10:31] <nophix> Meek: ubuntuforums.org
[10:31] <apollo2011> Meek: what nophix said
[10:31] <Meek> thank yo u
[10:31] <nophix> don't use ubuntuguide.org :)
[10:31] <dalamar> why not? good info there
[10:31] <nophix> it's not updated
[10:31] <nophix> wiki is better
[10:31] <dougsk> Meek, just goof around. I'd say try and avoid the distro-hop routine. Find a distro that you like, and quickluy -- hopefuly that's ubuntu -- and start from their. The rute tutorial is a great palce to start
[10:31] <apollo2011> even some of the wiki stuff is old though
[10:32] <__Lamont__> nickrud: thx. Says gdm is already running, but I messed with GDM already trying. doing a shutdown -r and will try that again
[10:32] <bjorn_> Can somebody tell me the command to configure x.org
[10:32] <Meek> ok thanks dougsk
[10:32] <vitriol> nickrud: i'm still desktopless :\
[10:32] <nophix> yes, but atleast people can change it
[10:32] <bjorn_> I need it to configure my graphic card :/
[10:32] <apollo2011> yeah
[10:32] <vitriol> i can't figure out what's going on with this ubuntu-desktop deal in breezy
[10:32] <vitriol> i tried installing xserver-xorg and i can't use 'startx'
[10:32] <tristanmike> Can someone help me with a REALLY funky installation.......please
[10:32] <benplaut> !tell bjorn_ about xserver
[10:32] <digitalslave> bjorn - open it and edit it
[10:32] <benplaut> oops
[10:33] <bjorn_> digitalslave, there was a graphical walktrough
[10:33] <bjorn_> in the terminal
[10:33] <bjorn_> but i forgot the command
[10:33] <benplaut> vitriol, try xinit?
[10:33] <nickrud> vitriol, apt-cache depends ubuntu-desktop will show you what is needed for ubuntu-desktop; something under that is broken somewhere. Welcome to breezy :)
[10:33] <digitalslave> best to follow your video card manufacturers directions
[10:33] <benplaut> bjorn_, sudo dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:33] <vitriol> nickrud: ahh ok
[10:33] <apollo2011> digitalslave: can I uninstall the package without uninstall all the other stuff or is it safe to uninstall all that stuff and then reinstall or what?
[10:33] <digitalslave> nvidia has a walk through on editing the file
[10:33] <geneo91> tristanmike: maybe the cd is bad
[10:33] <bjorn_> digitalslave, that didn't work
[10:33] <bjorn_> I'll get a black screen then
[10:33] <bjorn_> -_-
[10:34] <digitalslave> maybe you missed a step
[10:34] <digitalslave> what card?
[10:34] <nickrud> vitriol, you can interactively examine that list and try fixing it in aptitude.
[10:34] <vitriol> nickrud: k i'll try that
[10:34] <bjorn_> 7800gtx
[10:34] <pauldaoust> am I going nuts, or is there truly no OpenLDAP packages for Ubuntu?!?
[10:34] <digitalslave> apollo2011, seems ok to uninstall - make sure to reinstall for future upgrades and such
[10:35] <CookedGryphon> does anyone know how i can view sum1's webcam, they r using windows xp and msn, so i can chat in gaim, but i want to vview webcam? any ideas or am i gna have to reboot in windows (spit)
[10:35] <tristanmike> geneo91, well, apparently the md5 is ok and burned at 4x
[10:35] <digitalslave> what drivers bjorn_
[10:35] <apollo2011> digitalslave: yeah, I'll reinstall it right away, I just want to get the files back so samba can at least see my other machines
[10:35] <bjorn_> hmm when i do sudo dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg it gives an error " please give an action option"
[10:35] <Scythe> does c use dynamic memory management, or do you have to allocate separate memory space?
[10:35] <bjorn_> digitalslave, 7676
[10:35] <digitalslave> gaim has a webcam plugin you need to enable
[10:35] <vitriol> pauldaoust: maybe they are in universe or multiverse?
[10:35] <CookedGryphon> aha, cool
[10:35] <digitalslave> did you get them installed?
[10:36] <bjorn_> But I need to change my monitor resolution and vertical/horisontal hertz
[10:36] <pauldaoust> vitriol: both are turned on
[10:36] <pauldaoust> weird, eh?
[10:36] <bjorn_> otherwise it'll go out of sync
[10:36] <joe_> Scythe, if i recall correctly, you have to allocate memory yourself in c, definetely no garbage collection
[10:36] <vitriol> pauldaoust: yeah weird :\
[10:36] <benplaut> i'm using breezy. is it safe to add hoary repos to my sources.list for non-free stuff?
[10:36] <CookedGryphon> do i need to dl a package with webcam stuff?
[10:36] <benplaut> it seems to be working, but i don't want to bork everything
[10:36] <nickrud> pauldaoust, libldap2 is what you are looking for, i think
[10:37] <joe_> has anybody successfully synced PalmOS with ubuntu?
[10:37] <pauldaoust> wait wait wait! found it. It's called slapd
[10:37] <nophix> CookedGryphon: you could use mercury, but it's not open source
[10:37] <nophix> and unstable
[10:37] <pauldaoust> just didn't look hard enough in the forums
[10:37] <geneo91> sudo dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:37] <pauldaoust> joe_: define 'successfully' ;-)
[10:37] <joe_> pauldaoust, well, i dont even know what to put into the id box
[10:37] <digitalslave> bjorn_, set the modes in xorg.conf
[10:37] <pauldaoust> joe_: it's been a while; where is the 'id' box?
[10:37] <CookedGryphon> i can't find a plugin in gaim for webcam
[10:38] <bjorn_> sudo gedit xorg.conf ?
[10:38] <CookedGryphon> nophix, is that a complete chat clien tor what?
[10:38] <joe_> pauldaoust, PalmOSDevices asks for User Name ( hte owner of the handheld ia ssume) and ID
[10:38] <Scythe> do you have to allocate a specific memory address range...? or is that determined in the os ?
[10:38] <digitalslave> /etc/X11 yes
[10:38] <__Lamont__> gah
[10:38] <caliminus> how do i mount a hd from the live cd
[10:38] <nophix> CookedGryphon: www.mercury.to check it out
[10:39] <EasterSunshine> Scythe: use malloc, calloc, or realloc to allocate memory
[10:39] <pauldaoust> joe_: username is indeed the owner name, and ID is almost invariably 1000
[10:39] <Seveas> caliminus, same as on the installed system, with mount
[10:39] <__Lamont__> If I install a new video card, will Ubuntu attempt to configure it without intervention?
[10:39] <digitalslave> bjorn_, there are certain modules there you need to make sure are runnign and some that need to be turned off
[10:39] <pauldaoust> joe_: (I think)
[10:39] <__Lamont__> I'm not sure I'm ready to mess with making an install of these nVidia drivers
[10:39] <Seveas> __Lamont__, you might need a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:39] <digitalslave> there are instructions on the nvidia site when you download the driver
[10:39] <Scythe> so there shouldnt be any butting of heads in address spaces when running neooffice and firefox, my mac keeps locking up
[10:39] <Seveas> if your new card is from another manufacturer than your old one
[10:40] <bjorn_> digitalslave, Seveas just gave the correct command
[10:40] <bjorn_> :>
[10:40] <bjorn_> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg <==
[10:40] <bjorn_> forgot a -
[10:40] <__Lamont__> Seveas: yeah, but the installer doesn't seem to find a precompuled kernal interface
[10:40] <Seveas> __Lamont__, don't use crappy installers
[10:40] <Seveas> use ubuntu-provided modules
[10:41] <__Lamont__> Well, thats the installed from nVidia
[10:41] <elvirolo> hi all
[10:41] <Seveas> that's a crappy installer :)
[10:41] <geneo91> bjorn_: maybe you should not have done that
[10:41] <dalamar> read .. the .. wiki ..
[10:41] <__Lamont__> Seveas: Is there another way available to do nvidia drivders?
[10:41] <digitalslave> you need the kernel sources or header files
[10:41] <Seveas> Ubuntu comes with nvidia modules,
[10:41] <elvirolo> how do i add mpc (musepack) for amarok (with the xine engine) ?
[10:41] <Seveas> !nvidia
[10:41] <ubotu> well, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or quick optimizations https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia?highlight=%28nvidia%29
[10:41] <Seveas> read that
[10:41] <klaus> hi i got some problems installing mplayer-586 gets this error http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1486 and can not install any of that files.
[10:42] <__Lamont__> Seveas: Thanks, I will
[10:42] <ttj> Is there a way to install ubuntu on a system with only SATA-drives?
[10:42] <Seveas> klaus, your sources.list is FUBAR
[10:42] <Seveas> paste it on the pastebin
[10:42] <klaus> Seveas, sure 2 sec
[10:43] <bjorn_> is it usefull to specify the amount of graphic memory on your card?
[10:43] <digitalslave> bjorn_, never needed to
[10:43] <klaus> Seveas, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1487
[10:43] <bjorn_> k
[10:43] <geneo91> bjorn_: yes
[10:43] <bjorn_> hmm
[10:43] <bjorn_> oke
[10:43] <_mike> hi, i installed wireless assisstant following their instructions, cd to dir, ./configure , make , make install and it said it was done so i restarted but i cant find it anywhere
[10:44] <bjorn_> so 256*8 right ?
[10:44] <bjorn_> no i mean
[10:44] <bjorn_> 8 zero's
[10:44] <bjorn_> -_-
[10:44] <digitalslave> auto complete in term _mike
[10:44] <apollo2011> digitalslave: it still doesn't restore everything then !!
[10:44] <_mike> how do i do that
[10:45] <digitalslave> open a terminal and type the first couple letters and hit tab
[10:45] <kemik> i love my colorcoded prompt.. no more confusion!
[10:45] <_mike> the first couple letters of what?
[10:45] <geneo91> 256 million
[10:45] <oceandead> i thought you were supposed to put it in kB
[10:46] <deptrai> hi, I'm newcomer in ubuntu here, anyone knows how to get into init 3 mode only in ubuntu/debian? That's mean I don't want xdm to start, just a console
[10:46] <_mike> digitalslave, the first few letters of what?
[10:46] <digitalslave> try wireless
[10:46] <deptrai> seems init 3 doesn't work
[10:46] <dalamar> _mike, the executable you compiled
[10:46] <Seveas> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1488
[10:46] <_mike> wireless doesnt work
[10:46] <Seveas> ^--klaus
[10:46] <_mike> im still kinda new to installing via terminal
[10:47] <geneo91> sudo init 3
[10:47] <klaus> thanks
[10:47] <deptrai> geneo91: no, init 3 still have xdm running
[10:47] <digitalslave> wir then tab
[10:47] <deptrai> I want completely NO xdm or something else
[10:47] <klaus> Seveas works like a charm :)
[10:48] <deptrai> just a console like init 3 in FC
[10:48] <geneo91> deptrai: what are you trying to do
[10:48] <deptrai> then I can startx anytime I want ;-)
[10:48] <_mike> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1489
[10:48] <_mike> look at that
[10:48] <deptrai> geneo91: I'm trying to have a console only, NO X after boot
[10:49] <kemik> deptrai: ubuntu/debian doesnt use runlevels like redhat/fc does
[10:49] <deptrai> kemik: then how can I get console only ?
[10:49] <Seveas> remove gdm from runlevel 2
[10:49] <Seveas> and reboot
[10:49] <geneo91> i use telinit3 myuself
[10:49] <deptrai> ok, I dont install gdm, i'll remove xdm now
[10:49] <deptrai> ;-)
[10:50] <vitriol> everything seems to lead back to libcairo1 when trying to install the 'ubuntu-desktop' package, but libcairo2 is installed. anybody know how to fix this?
[10:50] <joe_> pauldaoust, where does ID come from?
[10:50] <joe_> sorry, i was disconnected, did you answer my question pauldaoust ?
[10:50] <Seveas> vitriol, have patience, the libcairo transition just started...
[10:50] <joe_> actually, how do i mount to /dev/pilot?
[10:50] <vitriol> Seveas: i can't use a graphical environment
[10:50] <pet> i can t find the source to add for mozilla flahplayer... can some one tell it to me?
[10:50] <_mike> so does anyone know how to fix my problem? should i try to install it again under a non-root terminal under su?
[10:50] <vitriol> Seveas: there's no fix for this?
[10:50] <deptrai> Seveas: do you joke ? I have to reboot in linux ?
[10:50] <deptrai> ;-)
[10:50] <oceandead> its not a release yet ...there are bound to be problems especially with upgrades
[10:50] <deptrai> he he he
[10:50] <Seveas> vitriol, not yet, the transition is going on
[10:50] <Seveas> deptrai, it's the easy way
[10:51] <deptrai> no
[10:51] <joe_> pauldaoust, okay, so my problem has become
[10:51] <vitriol> guess i'm screwed then
[10:51] <digitalslave> _mike, should tell you the command to run the app when the install is complete
[10:51] <joe_> pauldaoust, how do i mount the palm to /dev/pilot?
[10:51] <Seveas> the little-less easy is to kill xdm
[10:51] <deptrai> just /etc/init.d/gdm stop sir
[10:51] <deptrai> ;-)
[10:51] <joe_> pauldaoust, the device manager correclty figures out it's a palm handheld in the usb (when ihotsync)
[10:51] <_mike> let me look at the readme
[10:51] <pet> some one knows the source to add for flashplayer??
[10:51] <digitalslave> should have told you at the end of the install in the terminal window
[10:51] <Mianwalian> hi all
[10:51] <Seveas> !sources
[10:51] <ubotu> sources are at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[10:51] <Mianwalian> i have problem with my Ubuntu
[10:51] <Mianwalian> :S
[10:51] <Seveas> ^-- pet
[10:51] <pauldaoust> joe_: does the device manager tell you the device name of the Palm (e.g., /dev/usbtty0)?
[10:52] <Mianwalian> can somebody please help me out
[10:52] <pet> thanks
[10:52] <Seveas> Mianwalian, no
[10:52] <Seveas> you did not tell the problem
[10:52] <Seveas> so no one can help
[10:52] <Mianwalian> my all system utilities are corrupted :S
[10:52] <_mike> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1490 look at this
[10:52] <hfab> hey is anyone familiar with a strange font problem on a laptop? the letters are all zigzag .. when i scale down t0 800x600 it's okay
[10:52] <Seveas> Mianwalian, be a bit more descriptive....
[10:52] <pauldaoust> hfab: that's bizarre... no idear
[10:52] <pauldaoust> hfab: if it weren't a laptop, I'd say it's a sync problem
[10:52] <joe_> pauldaoust, it's weird, it has a heading for the USB Controller, under that is the driver, under that is the Palm Handheld, A few more submenus down are TWO ports (ttyUSB1)
[10:53] <Mianwalian> root@Mianwalian:/home/mianwalian/Desktop # chmod
[10:53] <Mianwalian> Segmentation fault
[10:53] <Mianwalian> root@Mianwalian:/home/mianwalian/Desktop # rm
[10:53] <Mianwalian> Segmentation fault
[10:53] <Mianwalian> root@Mianwalian:/home/mianwalian/Desktop #
[10:53] <joe_> pauldaoust, and ttyUSB0
[10:53] <Seveas> Mianwalian, NEVER paste in here
[10:53] <oceandead> ah
[10:53] <deptrai> ok, thanks everybody, after remove xdm, I have console only here ;-)
[10:53] <Mianwalian> ohh okay
[10:53] <Mianwalian> but
[10:53] <joe_> pauldaoust, they both disappear when i stop hotsyncing
[10:53] <Mianwalian> what i shld do
[10:53] <pauldaoust> joe_: aha! that's what you want. that's right; it's all coming back to me. you want to go:
[10:53] <Seveas> and either your memory is bad or you installed something stupid, like an incompatible libc
[10:53] <pauldaoust> sudo ln -s /dev/pilot /dev/ttyUSB1
[10:54] <digitalslave> _mike, doesnt really mean anything - after make install it should have told you in the terminal what to type - do not have the package myself
[10:54] <Mianwalian> i have reinstalled ubuntu 5 mins ago, i was downloading a file using wget and when downloading was completed :S i m getting this error
[10:54] <_mike> it didnt tell me anything
[10:54] <Mianwalian> but what shld i do now?
[10:54] <_mike> it jus gave me a bunch of commands and sent me back to the command type line
[10:54] <Seveas> Mianwalian, what were you downloading?
[10:54] <Mianwalian> a software
[10:54] <pauldaoust> joe_: the trick is, you have to run that command in the small window in which those two devices appear. ttyUSB0 is a control connection, and ttyUSB1 is a data connection. It took me ages to figure out which one I was supposed to use :)
[10:54] <Mianwalian> netcat
[10:55] <Seveas> then your memory might be bad, reboot into the memtest86 kernel
[10:55] <Seveas> and let it run for an hour
[10:55] <Mianwalian> humm then
[10:55] <Mianwalian> hummmmm okay
[10:55] <pauldaoust> joe_: (just to clarify, when I said 'window' I didn't mean a window on the screen, I meant a window of time)
[10:55] <Mianwalian> this is just the solution
[10:55] <Mianwalian> ?
[10:55] <Seveas> no, this is the diagnosing phase
[10:55] <Seveas> the solution will come later...
[10:55] <pauldaoust> Mianwalian: it's at least a start, which would allow us to take things further
[10:55] <Seveas> when the actual problem is known
[10:56] <_mike> wow no one talks like at all in #kubuntu
[10:56] <Chiacomo> Any clues?
[10:57] <Mianwalian> Seveas but i found ubuntu as most unstable linux :S, i corrupts three time today and i installed it three times
[10:57] <Mianwalian> :S
[10:57] <Seveas> Chiacomo, about what?
[10:57] <geneo91> _mike: they are all here
[10:57] <poningru> it doesnt say 'Dont use Breazy' on the topic anymore does that mean it is stable enough to be called 'beta'?
[10:57] <digitalslave> maybe wla and then tab _mike
[10:57] <Mianwalian> i dun know why it corrupts all the times
[10:57] <poningru> as in can I (noob) use it?
[10:57] <Lars_G> Merry meet all.
[10:57] <joe_> pauldaoust, ah, okay i did that, i see pilot in dev
[10:57] <Seveas> Mianwalian, then either your memory is bad or you installed from a bad cd
[10:57] <poningru> without much trouble?
[10:57] <Chiacomo> Seveas: I can't seem to edit wikinews pages from my ubuntu box -- everything works fine from the Windows box... If you're not familiar with mediwiki, you might not understand, but I can edit certain pages and not others. Is it possible the space in the article name has something to do with it?
[10:57] <joe_> pauldaoust, but PalmOSDevices doesn't sync, doesn't do anything
[10:57] <pauldaoust> Mianwalian: sounds like there is something wrong with hardware
[10:57] <Seveas> Chiacomo, spaces should translate to %20 in the url
[10:57] <_mike> digitalslave, wla gives no results
[10:57] <dalamar> your doing something wrong if your corrupting or your ram is bad. period.
[10:57] <pauldaoust> soo... anyone tried out remote authentication using OpenLDAP? I'm trying to set up a slapd server and it bails, with the information that it failed to bind to any address.
[10:57] <Mianwalian> i dun know :S
[10:58] <pauldaoust> joe_: what program are you using to sync?
[10:58] <Chiacomo> Seveas: Actually, i think spaces are automagically cahnged to _'s ....
[10:58] <Seveas> Mianwalian, do the memtest thing and test your other hardware too
[10:58] <digitalslave> trying to build give me a sec _mike
[10:58] <Mianwalian> i m using CD which is sent to me by ubuntu
[10:58] <Seveas> this is NOT an ubuntu problem
[10:58] <joe_> System > Preferences > palmosdevices
[10:58] <geneo91> Mianwalian: maybe you have bad blocks or something not related to ubuntu
[10:58] <Mianwalian> hummmm
[10:58] <firefly2442> exit
[10:58] <Mianwalian> then how can i scan my disk
[10:58] <Mianwalian> any utility in ubuntu
[10:59] <Mianwalian> for scanning HD
[10:59] <Mianwalian> ?
[10:59] <firefly2442> L40 40 40 40 40 error when I try LILO
[10:59] <pauldaoust> joe_: stupid question, but I assumed you chose 'Type: USB' in the wizard?
[10:59] <Lars_G> I am new to Ubuntu so please bear with me.
[10:59] <firefly2442> should I try installing to hardisk instead of MBR?
[10:59] <spola> when breezy does come out, do we have to redownload the cd and reinstall ubuntu?
[10:59] <Lars_G> I am trying, very hard (as a debian lover, but giver up) to distinguish Ubuntu from Debian, but there are still overlaps.
[10:59] <Lars_G> And I come with two questions...
[10:59] <Seveas> spola, no, the upgrade is one line in the terminal :)
[10:59] <Chiacomo> Seveas: Like I say, I can edit some pages (my user page, for example), but not others. It finally gives me a timeout error... When I "show preview", the preview shows up at the top of the screen (withouth my changes) and the correct wiki markup is displayed in the bottom edit window... They just don't match.. :(
[10:59] <Lars_G> are the sites created by the default netselect-apt ubuntu sites, or debian sites?
[11:00] <geneo91> Mianwalian: look at dmesg and see if it detects something wrong
[11:00] <pauldaoust> joe_: oh oh oh! incidentally, when you typed in the username... have you already set up an owner name on your Palm? If so, then you don't need to choose 'No, I've never used sync software' in the wizard
[11:00] <spola> no way! it's more work to rip a cd !
[11:00] <tristanmike> Got some really FUNKY installations and tried pretty much everything, need some BIG help
[11:00] <Lars_G> and second, is there a repository similar to debian's sid (I want the lattest, and we want it NOW) for ubuntu? not mixed with debian?
[11:00] <Seveas> Lars_G, on Ubuntu onlu ubuntu repositories are used
[11:01] <Lars_G> thanks Seveas, so the mirror_list pulled in ubuntu are for ubuntu repositories. thanks.
[11:01] <Seveas> the sid equivalent will be Grumpy Groundhog and is still in the planning phase, but with a 6month release cycle you're never too far behind
[11:01] <Chiacomo> Seveas: I've tried Konquerer, Opera, and Firefox... All the same, basically.
[11:01] <_mike> ...
[11:01] <Lars_G> Is there any Ubuntu persons here? or should I make my suggestions reach the foundation some other way? I'll go search the Ubuntu page I have some observations to make.
[11:02] <Fanskapet> agh stupied ubuntu vnc-server..
[11:02] <Lars_G> Seveas: So, there is no contantly refreshed central repository for bleeding edge binary debs?
[11:02] <Seveas> Chiacomo, weird, I don't have an idea...
[11:02] <Fanskapet> it won't change resolution
[11:02] <Seveas> Lars_G, not yet
[11:02] <Lars_G> Chiacomo: What are you looking for?
[11:02] <spola> Lars_G, how about the forums?
[11:02] <Lars_G> Seveas: Thanks a lot.
[11:02] <Seveas> there are Ubuntu people here, what kind of suggestions do you have?
[11:02] <adoyretsamon> !forums
[11:02] <Lars_G> spola: Might be, but my suggestions are for the directive to consider.
[11:02] <Chiacomo> Lars_G: Trying to figure out why I can't edit certain wiki pages from this ubuntu box but I can edit them from my Windows box...
[11:02] <Seveas> you can also contact ubuntu developers via [email protected]
[11:03] <joe_> pauldaoust, yea i've done that
[11:03] <joe_> i've actually tried both ways
[11:03] <Lars_G> Seveas: Well i am a long time linux user, currently I use Gentoo and I am sounding Ubuntu as a possible Debian replacement due to the release cycle and support time Ubuntu offers.
[11:03] <pauldaoust> anyone, anyone have experience in OpenLDAP with Ubuntu? I'm guessing not, judging by the lack of threads in the forums...
[11:03] <Seveas> Lars_G, many share that opinion :)
[11:03] <Lars_G> Seveas: My trouble is, Ubuntu clearly mentions it came from Debian, and how in release cycles it is not debian.
[11:03] <pauldaoust> joe_: unfortunatley I've found USB syncing to be fickle at best...
[11:03] <Lars_G> Seveas: But the Ubuntu-Debian frontier is fuzzier in other areas.
[11:04] <spola> i ran from gentoo to ubuntu aswell, boy am i glad those days are over
[11:04] <Seveas> Lars_G, www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components
[11:04] <pauldaoust> joe_: in the initial setup, why not try /dev/ttyUSB0 and /dev/ttyUSB1 in turn, instead of /dev/pilot?
[11:04] <Seveas> that explains more
[11:04] <Seveas> if you have any specific questions about the relationship, just ask :)
[11:04] <Seveas> oops, wrong url
[11:04] <jsy> hey
[11:04] <Seveas> Lars_G, www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship (this should be right)
[11:04] <jsy> i've got a question
[11:05] <jsy> i don't know how to download and install programs on my comp
[11:05] <pauldaoust> I've got a ham sandwich
[11:05] <pauldaoust> oh
[11:05] <pauldaoust> sorry
[11:05] <Chiacomo> Thanks guys -- I'm going to ask some wiki folks... :)
[11:05] <jsy> can someone help me
[11:05] <Seveas> jsy, wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[11:05] <jsy> kk
[11:05] <jsy> ill check it out
[11:05] <jsy> thx
[11:05] <pauldaoust> jsy: easiest way? go to System > Administration > Synaptic Package Manager
[11:05] <angryfix> How do you open ports in ubuntu to control incoming/outgoing data, so you can do stuff like setup a game server?
[11:05] <Lars_G> Seveas: Thanks, those texts where exactly what I was going to suggest should exist :)
[11:06] <Seveas> :)))
[11:06] <Lars_G> Seveas: It was then a case that I didn't dig well enough, or missed them. Thanks.
[11:06] <Seveas> yw and hope to see you on the ubuntu ship soon :)
[11:06] <Lars_G> Still personally I think this should be a little more prominent, in a "Ubuntu for Debian users." type of link, but that's me.
[11:06] <dalamar> arrg matey
[11:06] <H0lyD4wg> I tried to just install some Breezy packages in Hoary before making a full switch, installed evince (with deps satisfied by breezy) and now firefox doesn't render text at all, not in pages and not in GUI.
[11:06] <Lars_G> Seveas: I am on it already, just getting used to the change from Debian. Thanks.
[11:07] <jsy> question
[11:07] <jsy> i'm on the wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[11:07] <pauldaoust> H0lyD4wg: sounds like some sort of problem with the new Cairo library... you'll probably need to downgrade firefox, gecko, and gtk+
[11:07] <jsy> and it says to open computer
[11:07] <Lars_G> spola: And I didn't ran from Gentoo I still use Gentoo a lot, I use both Gentoo and Ubuntu/Debian, and FreeBSD and OpenBSD when the application requires one of the other.
[11:07] <jsy> and go to system configuration
[11:08] <jsy> but i can't find system configuration when i go to computer
[11:08] <pauldaoust> H0lyD4wg: actually, just get rid of cairo and downgrade Firefox
[11:08] <Seveas> jsy, it's system -> administration -> synaptic package manager in the gnome menu
[11:08] <angie> hello there
[11:08] <jsy> oh
[11:08] <Seveas> the page is a bit outdated (i'm fixing it now)
[11:08] <geneo91> Lars_G: weren't you around in mandrke for awhile
[11:08] <H0lyD4wg> pauldaoust: how am i supposed to downgrade FF? i'm still using the one from Hoary.
[11:08] <Lars_G> Sigh Chiacomo went away
[11:09] <angie> i'm having troubles installin gnomebaker 0.4... any help please?
[11:09] <jsy> thanks. i got it working
[11:09] <Lars_G> geneo91: A long time around, I left once I found the abilities of Debian over Mandrake
[11:09] <sockpuppe1> does anyone know of any rss tvguides
[11:09] <sockpuppe1> ?
[11:09] <dalamar> mixing packages from different releases is nasty stuff
[11:09] <jsy> err
[11:10] <jsy> i'm trying to download and install aim
[11:10] <jsy> how do i do it?
[11:10] <Lars_G> sockpuppe1: that would be great.
[11:10] <jsy> since aim
[11:10] <benplaut> does grub make a logfile?
[11:10] <jsy> the website is sorta weird
[11:10] <pauldaoust> H0lyD4wg: oh... um, I'm not sure then. that's weird.
[11:10] <Seveas> jsy, there is an aim client installed by default
[11:10] <sockpuppe1> lars_g:: i thought so too
[11:10] <jsy> well, yeah, there's gaim
[11:10] <Seveas> applications -> internet -> Gaim
[11:10] <geneo91> hehe
[11:10] <jsy> compatible with aim
[11:10] <jsy> but i don't like it lol
[11:10] <sockpuppe1> Anyone know?
[11:10] <Lars_G> jsy: Two good AIM clients are Gaim and Kopete depending whether you like GTK or Qt more
[11:10] <Lars_G> jsy: What do you dislike in Gaim?
[11:10] <geneo91> jsy: gaim supports aim
[11:11] <joe_> yea i did hte usb thing
[11:11] <joe_> speed, i just defaulted to 57600
[11:11] <Seveas> the aim client itself is crappy
[11:11] <jsy> hmm
[11:11] <joe_> pauldaoust, trying that out now
[11:11] <jsy> it is? okay
[11:11] <jsy> i'll trust you on that one.
[11:11] <Lars_G> jsy: What did you dislike on gaim?
[11:11] <joe_> pauldaoust, thanks!
[11:11] <joe_> pauldaoust, i'm really weirded out, i switched to ttyUSB0, then ttyUSB2 and 3 appeared, so i changed to usb2, then it instantly worked...
[11:11] <jsy> actually
[11:11] <jsy> i lke gaim
[11:11] <Lars_G> jsy: Then?
[11:11] <jsy> i just made an excuse to download aim
[11:11] <jsy> hah
[11:12] <jsy> Anyway, let's say I download something via sourceforge.net
[11:12] <Lars_G> jsy: Then go ahead and try it! no excuses needed! if you want to try it, nobody can tell you you shouldn't do it.
[11:12] <joe_> pauldaoust, well, thanks again!
[11:12] <H0lyD4wg> pauldaoust: is it possible that using the FF from breezy will fix the problem?
[11:12] <Lars_G> jsy: Do it, and decide for yourself. You're free
[11:12] <jsy> I want to install it, but what do I do to install it.
[11:12] <jsy> I installed the files, but I don't know where to go from there.
[11:12] <pauldaoust> joe_: that is absolutely bizarre... but at least it worked!
[11:12] <Lars_G> jsy: It changes, the place it comes from doesn't determines the format it is in... first you need to learn how to distinguish what you got..
[11:12] <pauldaoust> H0lyD4wg: could work, but proceed with caution (although I suppose that it's borked now, so it can't get much more borked :) )
[11:13] <jsy> oh
[11:13] <jsy> Then?
[11:13] <Seveas> jsy, if there is no .deb file for it, you need to read the README and INSTALL files you download ;)
[11:13] <Seveas> and follow the instructions
[11:13] <jsy> kk
[11:13] <Lars_G> jsy: basically, the biggest distinction you can make on a linux or unix software is to first detect wether it comes in Binary format (compiled) or source format (to be compiled)...
[11:13] <jsy> okay
[11:14] <probono> hi all, is there a way to save my personal settings in the beezy badger live cd?
[11:14] <Lars_G> jsy: As Seveas said, mostly Source formats and many Binary packages come with an INSTALL or README file that should shed more light into it.
[11:14] <jsy> okay
[11:14] <jsy> i'll check out the INSTALL and README files if it has one
[11:14] <probono> where is the "overlay filesystem" stored in the live cd?
[11:14] <jsy> thanks guys
[11:14] <granite> hey guys, I forgot how to connect to another network! Packetnews says I can find my file on this network: BARARCADE, but how can I connect to it?
[11:14] <Lars_G> jsy: Great.. saddly I must go, but I see there is good people in this channel so I wish you luck.
[11:14] <jsy> okay
[11:14] <jsy> bye
[11:14] <LMX2> should i install k3b, or is there any gtk burning program that work as good?
[11:14] <joe_> pauldaoust, whooooa, evolution w/ palm is relalycooool
[11:14] <jsy> i'm leaving too
[11:15] <dalamar> anyone know offhand why the nvidia splashscreen and the ubuntu login screen are offcenter to the right about an inch? then when gnome boots and everything starts its fine?
[11:15] <LMX2> and does k3b work good with ubuntu/gnome?
[11:15] <pauldaoust> H0lyD4wg: you might also want to try downgrading libpango and libgnomecanvas
[11:15] <dalamar> LMX2, k3b is just a frontend but it works well in gnome yes
[11:15] <pauldaoust> H0lyD4wg: also, what version of GTK+ do you have installed?
[11:15] <joe_> seeya, thanks again
[11:15] <geneo91> gcombust is good burning app
[11:15] <Lars_G> Seveas: It has been nice meeting you. And if you are one of the channel OPs you will see me more around here, I like how you help.
[11:15] <Lars_G> ?me bows.
[11:15] <Lars_G> hehehe
[11:16] <stupidnewby> I have a question. And this is the best name I could come up with on short notice but is there a good gui driven dhcp server for ubuntu
[11:16] <LMX2> dalamar, right, thanks
[11:16] <Seveas> stupidnewby, no
[11:16] <pauldaoust> crimsun: you don't happen to be in the channel right now?
[11:16] <stupidnewby> not any good ones or none at all?
[11:16] <Seveas> the dhcp3 server, which is the de facto standard has only a text config file
[11:16] <stupidnewby> gotcha thx
[11:17] <Seveas> there are virtually no services with GUI on linux
[11:17] <H0lyD4wg> pauldaoust: GTK+ 2.8.0
[11:17] <jsy> I'm back, I've got another question. When downloading AIM (which I'm only downloading to try out), it tells me to log in as root, how do I do that?
[11:17] <pauldaoust> H0lyD4wg: I betcha that's your problem
[11:17] <Seveas> jsy, not :)
[11:17] <Seveas> you can use sudo for commands that need root privileges
[11:17] <Seveas> like: sudo run_the_aim_installer
[11:17] <jsy> do i do that in the terminal?
[11:17] <Seveas> yes
[11:18] <Seveas> for a temporary root shell: sudo -i
[11:18] <jsy> do i have to be at a certain directory
[11:18] <crimsun> pauldaoust: hi
[11:18] <Seveas> jsy, the installer instructions will tell that
[11:18] <jdahm> hey how can I add enlightenment to gdm sessions?
[11:18] <jsy> okay
[11:18] <dalamar> whatever dir the installer was downloaded in most likely
[11:18] <pauldaoust> crimsun: howdy! I know you're a sound guru, and it probably drives you crazy when people come and whine to you, but I'm trying to deploy Ubuntu on a school computer lab, and they have some odd old sound hardware.
[11:18] <Seveas> jdahm, create a .desktop file in /usr/share/xsessions/
[11:19] <crimsun> pauldaoust: what sort?
[11:19] <pauldaoust> crimsun: what happens is that every sound (WAV, MP3, etc) is played veeeeryyyy slow and drawn out
[11:19] <pauldaoust> crimsun: one sec
[11:19] <jdahm> Seveas, contaning the executable path?
[11:19] <H0lyD4wg> pauldaoust: so, how does one downgrade?
[11:19] <pauldaoust> H0lyD4wg: remove the Breezy repository from your list of repositories, and then select gtk+ for reinstallation
[11:20] <Seveas> jdahm, yes and more info, take an existing file in that folder as example
[11:20] <pauldaoust> H0lyD4wg: (don't forget to refresh your package list when it asks you to)
[11:20] <jdahm> Seveas, ok
[11:21] <hfab> hey so i took a screenshot (digicam, cause software screenshot is fine): http://oebs.net/tmp/screenshot.jpg has anyone seen this (the strange font, icons) before and knows a solution?
[11:21] <pauldaoust> crimsun: the onboard sound device advertises itself as a VT82C686 (Apollo Super ACPI)
[11:21] <pauldaoust> crimsun: which I know is the mobo chipset itself, but it must have an included sound controller
[11:21] <crimsun> pauldaoust: snd_via82xx?
[11:22] <EasterSunshine> whois `
[11:22] <EasterSunshine> err sry
[11:22] <onovy> hi all
[11:22] <hfab> it's a laptop with 1024 resolution and some nvidia mobile chipset
[11:22] <pauldaoust> crimsun: bizarre
[11:23] <pauldaoust> crimsun: in the LiveCD, that's exactly what it said, but in the actual installed environment I'm using right now, lsmod | grep -i snd brings up nothing at all
[11:23] <stupidnewby> im trying to use thc_hydra to brute force someones password over a wireless connection. I can ping. But it will not connect to their ip. Works over ethernet...
[11:24] <pauldaoust> crimsun: (to clarify, "exactly what it said" means yes, snd_via82xx)
[11:24] <onovy> when is plained to release new ubuntu version?
[11:24] <crimsun> pauldaoust: what does sudo modprobe snd_via82xx?
[11:24] <crimsun> onovy: October
[11:24] <ccc> if a program needs qt 3.3 to install, which package do i need from synaptic?
[11:24] <butcherbird> stupidnewbie: ::sigh::
[11:25] <pauldaoust> crimsun: loads devices, but when I try aplay, it sez a whole bunch of crazy stuff, tantamount to the device not being there
[11:25] <dalamar> this is the wrong channel to be asking about bruteforcing passwords heh
[11:25] <geneo91> qt3-devel-tools
[11:25] <Kyral> Thank you admitting to hacking
[11:25] <Kyral> I mean cracking
[11:25] <onovy> crimsun: thx, will be still chance to ship it free?
[11:26] <stupidnewby> its my router im just testing to see if i can get it to work
[11:26] <Kyral> 'cause you aren't good enough to be called a hacker
[11:26] <crimsun> onovy: always.
[11:26] <Kyral> oh
[11:26] <Kyral> sorry
[11:26] <Kyral> reflex :P
[11:26] <Seveas> ccc libqt3-mt-dev
[11:26] <crimsun> pauldaoust: paste in #flood
[11:26] <pauldaoust> crimsun: /proc/asound/devices simply says '33: timer'
[11:26] <pauldaoust> crimsun: okay
[11:27] <Seveas> stupidnewby, we do not tolerate such illegal actions and ceratainly provide no support for it
[11:27] <EasterSunshine> speaking of brute forcing passwords, am i prone to that? one can ssh into me from the internet, and my password is like 9 letters long?
[11:27] <EasterSunshine> not exactly 9 letters, of course :)
[11:27] <onovy> crimsun: hmmm it's very good. can i order it now or in october?
[11:27] <ccc> Seveas: thanks
[11:27] <Seveas> EasterSunshine, not really
[11:27] <crimsun> onovy: October
[11:27] <dalamar> is it 'abcdefghi'? ;)
[11:27] <crimsun> pauldaoust: is ACPI being used?
[11:27] <EasterSunshine> dalamr: ssh...
[11:27] <simonvallore> HELLO HOW DO I INSTALL W32 CODECS
[11:28] <Seveas> simonvallore, drop the caps...
[11:28] <apokryphos> !w32codecs
[11:28] <EasterSunshine> dalamar: ssh as in hush, not secure shell
[11:28] <Kyral> ouch......
[11:28] <crimsun> pauldaoust: if so, try booting with pci=noacpi
[11:28] <dalamar> EasterSunshine, i know heh
[11:28] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell simonvallore about w32codecs
[11:28] <crimsun> pauldaoust: barring that, try noapic
[11:28] <pauldaoust> crimsun: I'll try that; dmesg sez ACPI is indeed running
[11:28] <geneo91> onovy: it take 4-6 weeks after release date to get cds
[11:28] <onovy> crimsun: ok, i have till one problem :) can i ?
[11:28] <Seveas> apokryphos, is your nick registered?
[11:28] <onovy> geneo91: ok, thx
[11:29] <EasterSunshine> simonvallore: first drop the caps, then do sudo apt-get install w32codecs or something like that
[11:29] <simonvallore> !SHOOT ME
[11:29] <ubotu> simonvallore: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[11:29] <apokryphos> Seveas: indeed
[11:29] <Seveas> (shot at request)
[11:29] <EasterSunshine> nice
[11:29] <H0lyD4wg> pauldaoust: synaptic doesn't even list "reinstall" as an option :(
[11:29] <pauldaoust> crimsun: I'm gonna reboot; back in a sec
[11:29] <SIMONIZBACK> OK
[11:30] <apokryphos> haha
[11:30] <crimsun> sigh.
[11:30] <joe_> simonvallore, sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[11:30] <joe_> is there a tool forlinux to automatically update the clock via the web?
[11:30] <pauldaoust> H0lyD4wg: right-click on the package name and 'mark for reinstallation'?
[11:30] <Seveas> idiot
[11:30] <geneo91> hehe
[11:30] <bjorn_> i'm having problems installing java
[11:30] <topyli> oh well. i'm back to using mpd for sound :)
[11:30] <bjorn_> I looked @ the howto's
[11:30] <bjorn_> but it just keeps saying
[11:30] <H0lyD4wg> pauldaoust: right click, "reinstallation" is greyed out
[11:30] <bjorn_> that the package doesn't exist
[11:30] <bz0b> ubotu tell bz0b about sources
[11:30] <geneo91> joe yes right click the clock
[11:31] <EasterSunshine> bjorn_ you have added the extra repositories?
[11:31] <bjorn_> EasterSunshine, which one
[11:31] <bjorn_> there are so many
[11:31] <pauldaoust> H0lyD4wg: and this is libgtk2.0-0?
[11:31] <bjorn_> -_-
[11:31] <cyphase> Ever wonder why they choose the name 'Vista' ?
[11:31] <cyphase> Viruses
[11:31] <cyphase> Instability
[11:31] <cyphase> Spyware
[11:31] <cyphase> Trojans
[11:31] <cyphase> Adware
[11:31] <pauldaoust> H0lyD4wg: sometimes 'Mark for Upgrade', in a backwards sort of way
[11:31] <H0lyD4wg> pauldaoust: yes.
[11:31] <bjorn_> lol cyphase ;)
[11:31] <pauldaoust> cyphase: very very clever. you make that up? ^_^
[11:31] <topyli> cyphase: don't do that
[11:31] <EasterSunshine> bjorn_: i would add mostly all of them as there is nothing to lose, especially universe, multiverse
[11:31] <Seveas> cyphase, don't ....
[11:32] <Seveas> flooding is evil, look at the topic
[11:32] <cyphase> pauldaoust, no :)
[11:32] <dalamar> wow that was fresh, only heard that one a million times
[11:32] <H0lyD4wg> pauldaoust: everything execpt "removal" and "complete removal" is greyed out.
[11:32] <Seveas> dalamar, yeah it is so 10-days-old :)
[11:32] <geneo91> cyphase: i dont think thet can use a trademarked name
[11:32] <bjorn_> btw geneo91 i just installed my graphic drivers
[11:32] <dalamar> ;)
[11:32] <pauldaoust> H0lyD4wg: wow, that's a stumper. Try also the 'status' button at the bottom of the left pane, and choose 'Installed (broken)' then look for libgtk again
[11:32] <bjorn_> my fps in glgear skyrocketed
[11:33] <bjorn_> from 500 to 500000
[11:33] <pauldaoust> H0lyD4wg: libgtk2, I mean
[11:33] <bjorn_> :.
[11:33] <pauldaoust> H0lyD4wg: is it there?
[11:33] <geneo91> bjorn_: and they work
[11:33] <EasterSunshine> hm...i just noticed that i never cared to install video drivers...only took a month...
[11:33] <bjorn_> yes
[11:33] <bjorn_> but i did it via the guide
[11:33] <pauldaoust> hey, folks, I'm gonna reboot; back in a sec
[11:34] <bjorn_> not via the syntapic manager
[11:34] <bjorn_> i compiled them myself
[11:34] <geneo91> i get around a 1000 fps with mx440
[11:34] <joe_> i'm getting 1230fps with fx5200
[11:34] <EasterSunshine> i don't suppose there would be a guide for installing drivers for a diamond stealth iii?
[11:35] <bjorn_> now they only thing that bugs me is i can't get 120 hertz on 1024-789
[11:35] <EasterSunshine> an old ancient video card from year 2000
[11:35] <HrdwrBoB> EasterSunshine: it will already have drivers
[11:35] <HrdwrBoB> most likely
[11:35] <HrdwrBoB> do you know what chipset it is
[11:35] <geneo91> so the extra 100 bucks only gets you an extra 250 fps
[11:35] <EasterSunshine> HrdwrBoB: nope, dunno teh chipset, but you are saying that ubuntu installed them for me?
[11:35] <bjorn_> did you install the latest drivers joe_ ?
[11:35] <DonL> I'm getting 1376fps with my xx440
[11:36] <HrdwrBoB> EasterSunshine: ubuntu has drives for most everything by default
[11:36] <bjorn_> it should be able to produce 2000
[11:36] <bjorn_> atleast
[11:36] <DonL> mx440
[11:36] <bjorn_> wait i'll look for the wikipedia
[11:36] <HrdwrBoB> EasterSunshine: if you're seeing a graphics interface, then you have to have some sort of drivers :)
[11:36] <topyli> !start a video card fight
[11:36] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, topyli
[11:36] <EasterSunshine> HrdwrBoB: the opengl screensavers go at about 1 fps
[11:36] <joe_> geneo91, ? i got this a year ago for 6o bucks
[11:36] <bjorn_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NvidiaManual
[11:36] <geneo91> DonL: @ 1024x768
[11:36] <HrdwrBoB> probably
[11:36] <redtech> Is there a default app to burn iso images?
[11:36] <benplaut> !lart video card bickering
[11:36] <bjorn_> joe_, DonL read that trough
[11:36] <bjorn_> very usefull
[11:36] <bjorn_> :o
[11:37] <HrdwrBoB> EasterSunshine: if it's an nvidia card, you can load the nvidia drivers
[11:37] <HrdwrBoB> otherwise, buy a new card
[11:37] <joe_> bjorn_, uh, i installed nvidia drivers
[11:37] <DonL> will do bjorn, thanks
[11:37] <bjorn_> The syntapic drivers weren't optimised for me so i needed to install them myself
[11:37] <bjorn_> :/
[11:37] <bjorn_> and when i do glx-commen
[11:37] <bjorn_> it just crashes
[11:37] <EasterSunshine> i have a couple of nvidia geforce 2's, 3's, and 4's laying around, but i'm just too lazy to change into them
[11:37] <pauldaoust> crimsun: hokay, pci=noacpi made sound work, but now I still have to deal with the fact that it sounds like a horror movie ^_^
[11:38] <topyli> darn. ubotu cannot start a video card fight apparently :(
[11:38] <Fanskapet> hmm
[11:38] <bjorn_> i'm intending to play quake 4 on this machine since its openGL written
[11:38] <Seveas> topyli, ....
[11:38] <HrdwrBoB> EasterSunshine: yeah, if you're at all concerned about some semblance of 3d, stick on of them in and loda the nvidia drivers
[11:38] <dalamar> ive got a geforce 2 32 meg, fear my fps ;) lol
[11:38] <HrdwrBoB> !nvidia
[11:38] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or quick optimizations at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia
[11:38] <pauldaoust> rocked
[11:38] <pauldaoust> !!!
[11:38] <ubotu> ! is probably what you add before a sentence to talk to me
[11:38] <pauldaoust> not ricked
[11:38] <Fanskapet> isn't there any way of making the vnc-server use 1024x768 without having a monitor plugged in the computer?
[11:38] <topyli> hrmpf
[11:38] <geneo91> bjorn_: try nvidia-settings
[11:38] <EasterSunshine> HrdwrBoB: wait, i don't understand, you are saying to install nvidia drivers, even though my card is savage3?
[11:39] <crimsun> pauldaoust: ok, can you test aplay -Dplughw:0 /usr/share/sounds/$foo.wav
[11:39] <bjorn_> geneo91, ?
[11:39] <EasterSunshine> HrdwrBoB: and is savage this chipset thing you were talking about
[11:39] <bjorn_> anyway
[11:39] <bjorn_> i'm off to bed
[11:39] <pauldaoust> crimsun: $foo being a random sound of my choice?
[11:39] <HrdwrBoB> EasterSunshine: no
[11:39] <bjorn_> tomorrow i'll take care of my audigy 2 and my printers :/
[11:39] <crimsun> pauldaoust: random wav file
[11:39] <bjorn_> Bye bye kissies etc :p
[11:39] <HrdwrBoB> EasterSunshine: I'm saying nvidia will work
[11:39] <HrdwrBoB> savage will.. not
[11:39] <HrdwrBoB> (for 3d)
[11:39] <H0lyD4wg> pauldaoust: Installed (Broken) doesn't even exist. and upgrading FF to breezy's version didn't help either.
[11:40] <EasterSunshine> HrdwrBoB: ehh...i'll whip out the nvidia cards along with breezy to make it even newer and fresher
[11:40] <EasterSunshine> HrdwrBoB: thx for explaining things to me
[11:40] <bjorn_> what gf 4 do you have EasterSunshine ?
[11:40] <pauldaoust> H0lyD4wg: if 'Installed (Broken) doesn't exist, it looks like all the packages think they're okay... I'm stumped, dude
[11:40] <HrdwrBoB> no worries
[11:41] <EasterSunshine> bjorn_: i dunno, all my geforces look alike, and i just know that there are two gf2's, two gf3's, and one gf4
[11:41] <bjorn_> EasterSunshine, hmm
[11:41] <EasterSunshine> bjorn_: i like collecting geforces
[11:41] <bjorn_> lol
[11:41] <bjorn_> send one to me
[11:41] <Kyral> .....
[11:41] <bjorn_> i need to build a server here
[11:41] <bjorn_> =/
[11:41] <Kyral> that was very very creepy
[11:41] <bjorn_> <== sleepytime :p
[11:42] <HrdwrBoB> I have a gf1, gf2, two fx5700s, a G400, and various other stuffs
[11:42] <EasterSunshine> he wants to make a server with a geforce...
[11:42] <H0lyD4wg> pauldaoust: so, tomorrow's ELinks day?
[11:42] <Kyral> GeForce FX 5500
[11:42] <pauldaoust> H0lyD4wg: ha ha... try epiphany first, then Konqueror
[11:42] <reiki> ok I'm done fussing over trying to figure out why SpamAssassin isn't rewriting the headers. It's working anyways. Between the junk filter in Evolution and my SpamAssassin filter I'm not getting any spam in my inbox. So... that's fine
[11:42] <Kyral> ....how would I overclock my NVidia in Linux anyway?
[11:43] <HrdwrBoB> Kyral: using nvclock
[11:43] <pauldaoust> crimsun: works, (well, after I killed esd), but the startup sounds like part of a movie where the aliens are about to land in some poor bugger's corn field
[11:43] <geneo91> nvclock
[11:43] <reiki> Kyral: if it ain't fast enough... buy a better bigger one :)
[11:43] <crimsun> pauldaoust: so sounds are still fubar?
[11:43] <pauldaoust> crimsun: yessir
[11:43] <LMX2> where do i remove the timeupdate on startup?
[11:43] <Kyral> reiki, I'm a college student
[11:43] <Kyral> I don't have that kinda money :P
[11:43] <crimsun> pauldaoust: cat /proc/asound/version
[11:44] <asfra> Does anyone know how to get a hidden partition working? can I just add it to /etc/fstab?
[11:44] <pauldaoust> hey, did everybody know that synergy is in the Hoary repositories, and it rocks your world, if you're working on two cmoputers at once?
[11:44] <reiki> Kyral: and I work at a university. :) They'll still sell you a new GeForce even if you *are* a college student :)
[11:44] <EasterSunshine> what is synergy?
[11:44] <pauldaoust> crimsun: 1.0.6; should I upgrade to 1.0.9 perhaps?
[11:44] <Kyral> reiki, LIES! What college be this!
[11:44] <pauldaoust> EasterSunshine: it's like a software, network-controlled KVM, without the V
[11:44] <Kyral> oh, you meant at full price
[11:45] <Kyral> I meant I'm poor as shit right now :P
[11:45] <pauldaoust> EasterSunshine: you move the mouse to the edge of your screen, then move it over, and it appears on the other computer's screen.
[11:45] <reiki> Kyral: I work in an offshoot of the CIT department at University of NY at Buffalo
[11:45] <Kyral> and I'm getting SegFaults
[11:45] <joe_> bjorn_, when i click Periodically synchronize clock with Internet servers, it says i need to install NTP Support, but after I do, it still saysi need NTP Support
[11:45] <EasterSunshine> pauldaoust: and this works to move my cursor over to a completely different computer?
[11:45] <alastair_> When is the next ubuntu stable release?
[11:45] <dalamar> reboot
[11:46] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell alastair about breezy
[11:46] <pauldaoust> EasterSunshine: you bet. and there are servers and client for Linux, Windows, and OS X
[11:46] <crimsun> pauldaoust: try alsa-source in universe (best to stick with infrastructure if possible)
[11:46] <EasterSunshine> pauldaoust: that's just crazy...except i'm short of monitors
[11:46] <crimsun> !tell pauldaoust about alsa-source
[11:46] <pauldaoust> crimsun: I know what you mean.
[11:46] <Seveas> alastair: A new Ubuntu version is released every six months (in april and october). Each release is supported for at least 18 months with security updates.
[11:46] <reiki> so... y'all got emailwith no spam on the client side? My hosting provider stopped running SpamAssassin cause it was eating up resources like a drunk locked in a liquor store overnight
[11:46] <EasterSunshine> seveas: maybe you should teach ubotu about that new versions of ubuntu
[11:47] <geneo91> crimsun: i thought you needed 2.6.12 kernel for alsa 1.0.9
[11:47] <reiki> I notice in the topic it doesn't say "don't use breezy" any more.
[11:47] <Seveas> !release is A new Ubuntu version is released every six months (in april and october). Each release is supported for at least 18 months with security updates.
[11:47] <ubotu> okay, Seveas
[11:48] <pauldaoust> crimsun: thanks for the tip; I'll go upgrade
[11:48] <geneo91> reiki: some things aren't there yet though
[11:48] <crimsun> geneo91: in-kernel, yes. Of course you can use 1.0.10rc1 from upstream if you wish; I'm fixing an ac97 compile error atm.
[11:48] <Seveas> reiki, correct, breezy is open for testing if you dare
[11:48] <H0lyD4wg> pauldaoust: hey, i just remembered something! i made a full HD backup today, quite possibly before adding breezy repositories to my sources.list
[11:48] <pauldaoust> H0lyD4wg: sweet!!!
[11:49] <reiki> Seveas and geneo91: I can wait.. I'm enjoying having a system that works :)
[11:49] <alastair_> What major changes can be expected in the next release?
[11:49] <DonL> Me too. I'm liking Hoary
[11:49] <Seveas> alastair, wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyGoals
[11:50] <Seveas> and http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-12/
[11:50] <reiki> And, Seveas. I heard a LOT of people complaining about lack of spam blocking on various message boards. Getting SpamAssassin working with Evolution is about as easy as it's ever gonna get. One filter. Done.
[11:50] <asfra> !mount
[11:50] <ubotu> methinks mount is the command to add partitions to your filesystem. For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives
[11:50] <pauldaoust> crimsun: is build-essential a metapackage for GCC and various header packages?
[11:50] <apokryphos> alastair: and what's new.... http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/
[11:50] <bjorn_ZZZ> !windowsdrives
[11:50] <ubotu> hmm... windowsdrives is Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[11:50] <geneo91> crimsun: well i wondered because my son has the 24 bit sblive and it say alsa 1.0.8 dont support it
[11:50] <crimsun> pauldaoust: basic dev packages, yes.
[11:50] <joe_> 3
[11:50] <crimsun> geneo91: 1.0.8 does support _some_ pci ids of the sblive 24-bit; it's the snd_ca0106 driver
[11:50] <pauldaoust> crimsun: wow... wish I woulda found that sooner, instead of installing libtool and autopackage and make and gcc separately ^_^
[11:51] <geneo91> what windows drives
[11:51] <muffin_> why is my wine sound not going anymore??? (seems that theres no virtual soundcard...) what can i do??
[11:51] <crimsun> geneo91: the problem is that there are too many pci ids to track, so they have to be added to the header files with each new ALSA rc release
[11:52] <geneo91> crimsun: tried that and it didnt work in ubuntu but in mandrake it did
[11:52] <crimsun> geneo91: I don't know what ALSA version Mandrake uses
[11:53] <geneo91> 1.0.8 in 10.2 crimsun
[11:53] <crimsun> geneo91: I'm sure they've patched it to include the additional pci ids, then.
[11:54] <muffin_> ??
[11:54] <geneo91> crimsun: prolly
[11:54] <pfp> is there an equivalent of apt-watch that would just send mail when there are new upgrades?
[11:54] <muffin_> my wine sound is not going anymore. what can i do?
[11:54] <crimsun> pfp: In Hoary, there's the update-manager
[11:55] <pax> The official breezy badger badger badger comercial can be found here http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/badgers.php :c)
[11:55] <pax> hehe
[11:56] <pfp> crimsun: i meant like something that would run in the backround, prolly from cron - for servers
[11:56] <Seveas> pax, hehehe :)
[11:56] <pauldaoust> crimsun: what the hell? while compiling, I went to the above 'ad for Breezy' and... sound works fine in Flash!!!!!
[11:57] <crimsun> pfp: you could probably accomplish that with a different python frontend
[11:57] <crimsun> pauldaoust: that's not at all surprising, since it uses oss emulation
[11:57] <zukalk> !dma
[11:57] <pauldaoust> crimsun: ahh, I thought it might've.
[11:59] <pauldaoust> AAAAAAA what the hell?
[11:59] <Velox> Eh?
[12:00] <pauldaoust> well things are working okay
[12:00] <WodanTJ> pauldaoust: wrong channel, try #hell
[12:00] <pauldaoust> and I don't know why
[12:00] <pauldaoust> WodanTJ: hardy har har
[12:00] <apokryphos> pauldaoust: my grades throughout the year
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2005-08-26-#ubuntu-devel
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[12:29] <\sh> ok...when this is working..I have a running gajim with xmpp 1.0 SRV record recognition
[12:29] <Nafallo> \sh: REVU-material?
[12:30] <\sh> Nafallo: yes
[12:30] <\sh> Nafallo: dnspython is already in..I need it for this
[12:31] <\sh> Nafallo: (on revu i mean)
[12:31] <Nafallo> \sh: I put it on todo then ;-)
[12:31] <Nafallo> but now, sleep
[12:32] <\sh> Nafallo: gajim is really a good gtk app :) I like it :)
[12:35] <\sh> strike
[12:36] <\sh> tls is working so xmpp 1.0 SRV is fulfilled
[12:59] <\sh> ok..I have to wait for python2.4-gnome2-extras
[01:02] <\sh> Bed time...cu later today..
[08:40] <rob^> Hi, I'm getting the following when trying to install scorched3d on colony 3: Depends: libwxgtk2.4 (>=2.4.2.6ubuntu1) but it is not installable
[08:40] <Burgundavia> rob^, that is a question for #ubuntu-motu
[08:40] <rob^> okies
[08:43] <jdub> ahr!
[08:44] <Burgundavia> jdub, hey! I cannot seem to login to the -users admin thingy
[08:48] <jdub> Burgundavia: log in to the moderator page admindb rather than admin
[08:48] <Burgundavia> jdub, ok
[08:49] <Burgundavia> jdub, still spitting me up errors. I can login and edit the -ca stuff
[08:56] <jdub> Burgundavia: i'll get in touch tonight - i'm actually in the country at pia's parents house :)
[08:56] <jdub> (fixing their internet)
[08:56] <Burgundavia> jdub, ok
[09:01] <Burgundavia> jdub, I would love to get to that 7k+ list of stuff to be dealt with
[09:59] <\sh> infinity: ping
[10:00] <kagou> hi
[10:05] <Diablo-D3> hey
[10:05] <Diablo-D3> why are people having to pay customs for ubuntu pressed cds?
[10:05] <Diablo-D3> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/shipit/
[10:06] <Diablo-D3> grep for 3000 quetzales
[10:07] <Diablo-D3> thats insane
[10:08] <Burgundavia> Diablo-D3, some people don't understand that the software can be free
[10:08] <Diablo-D3> I have to admit thats a strange concept
[10:08] <Diablo-D3> why wouldnt software be free?
[10:09] <Burgundavia> regardless, that is reason
[10:09] <Diablo-D3> wtf
[10:09] <Burgundavia> it is not really on topic for -devel either
[10:09] <Diablo-D3> well Im not sure where else to ask about this
[10:09] <Burgundavia> it is not really an issue that can be solved by ubuntu/canonical
[10:10] <Diablo-D3> imo it should be added to that faq, however
[10:11] <Diablo-D3> "Warning: Some world governments are attempting to charge money for Linux via customs, please, instigate rebellion in those countries!"
[10:11] <Diablo-D3> or something like that
[10:11] <Diablo-D3> erk, nm, it actually /is/ there
[10:14] <Diablo-D3> has anyone had experience using local companies to help distribute ubuntu cds?
[10:15] <Diablo-D3> like, leaving a box of them behind, with a sign saying "Take One, Its Free" or something
[10:19] <b3nw> in colony 3 is there a way to kill the installing packages bar and see whats going on?
[10:20] <mache> b3nw, alt+f4?
[10:20] <b3nw> oo thats a prob
[10:20] <mache> i mean, switch to another console
[10:20] <b3nw> i have to enter a yes or no
[10:20] <b3nw> otherwise i'm stuck at 85% for life
[10:20] <b3nw> :X
[10:20] <Diablo-D3> and thats why I only use apt-get
[10:21] <b3nw> you started with a server install?
[10:22] <mache> b3nw, no, "normal" aka full install
[10:22] <mache> Diablo-D3, yea, aptitude is much better than apt-get ;)
[10:22] <lathiat> b3nw: Then thats a bug, please file a bug at http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[10:23] <b3nw> yeah even if I type in yes or I type in No it doesn't continue
[10:23] <b3nw> bleh
[10:25] <mache> i installed a breezy machine (using netinstall) a few days ago and now i want to install another one
[10:26] <mache> is there any way to use the packages already downloaded on the first one?
[10:26] <mache> and to avoid downloading them again?
[10:26] <Diablo-D3> I do it by sharing my /var/apt/cache/archives dir over nfs
[10:26] <mache> without apt-proxy or other cache proxies
[10:26] <mache> i see
[10:27] <Diablo-D3> of course, I dont know if you can do that during the install...
[10:28] <mache> if i put a ftp/http server on the first one
[10:28] <mache> i suppose i can replicate the archive structure
[10:28] <Diablo-D3> yeah, you could always try that, but that seems to be a big pain in the ass
[10:30] <Diablo-D3> mache: why not use apt-proxy?
[10:30] <Diablo-D3> you can import pre-existing debs into it
[10:30] <mache> Diablo-D3, i can?
[10:30] <mache> humm
[10:30] <Diablo-D3> yeah, use the apt-proxy-import command
[10:31] <mache> i'm reading now :)
[10:31] <mache> i never knew about proxy-import
[10:36] <mache> cool, i'll give it a try
[11:17] <b3nw> has anyone heard of xorg allowing you to scroll with the mouse wheel down but not up?
[11:17] <Diablo-D3> nope
[11:19] <Treenaks> OK, planet is really ill... it every time it reads my feed, it thinks a post I did a few days ago was done at the moment it's reading the feed
[11:19] <Treenaks> Not Good
[11:19] <infinity> If you have something like '"ZAxisMapping" "4 5"' in your xorg.conf but, while mwheeldown produces "button 5", mwheelup doesn't produce "button 4", that could happen. Othewise, no idea.
[11:19] <infinity> (Not that I've ever seen such a thing)
[11:43] <ivoks> hi
[12:25] <Mez|WoW> any reason why linux-restricted-modules keeps uninstalling itself?
[12:47] <pronik> Hello, guys. Is it intended that latest totem is compiled without mozilla plugin?
[12:53] <infinity> MEz : Uninstalling itself?
[12:53] <infinity> MEz : Do you have anything more concrete than that? :)
[12:53] <MEz> yeah
[12:53] <MEz> er#
[12:53] <MEz> no
[12:53] <infinity> Like, WHY is it being unsinstalled? :)
[12:53] <MEz> other than the fact I keep notcing when I come to play games it's not installed
[12:54] <MEz> I'm just trying to find that out :D
[12:54] <MEz> I think it's something to do with kernel updates
[12:54] <infinity> Well, I just uplaoded a new version that should clear up some dependency issues, maybbe that'll make you happy.
[12:54] <infinity> Also, if you odn't have the linux-image metapaches installed, you won't get new restricted-modules automatically with new kernels.
[12:54] <infinity> Maybe that's your issue.
[12:55] <infinity> metapackages, too. Wow, can Iever type.
[12:56] <Mez> I do seem to have the metapacakges installed
[12:56] <Mez> ii linux-image-k7 2.6.12.11
[12:57] <Mez> oh wait
[12:58] <Mez> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/dnspython-0508210015/dnspython_1.3.4-0ubuntu0.1.diff.gz
[12:58] <Mez> sorry
[12:58] <Mez> ii linux-restricted-modules 2.6.12.2-1
[12:58] <Mez> No packages found matching linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-7-k7.
[12:58] <infinity> You want 'linux-k7' if you want restriced modules by default.
[12:58] <Mez> ty
[01:05] <siretart> when maintaining packages with baz, what is preferred arch-buildpackage or tla-buildpackage? or did I miss something?
[01:07] <infinity> siretart : Whichever you like better, I suppose. Or neither.
[01:08] <siretart> infinity: hm. I was looking for something similar to svn-buildpackage, but for baz. I'm trying to get used to it
[01:10] <siretart> infinity: good to see you here, I noticed you uploaded yesterday a new xorg, with some changes to mesa/gl packages. is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUGLUTransition still uptodate regarding the build dependencies?
[01:14] <infinity> siretart : Wasn't right, but I've updated it for you.
[01:14] <infinity> siretart : I may well finish up the transition for Universe in the next day or so anyway, so the point might be moot.
[01:15] <infinity> siretart : I've already done main/restricted.
[01:15] <infinity> (Well, restricted will be done when I figure out how I managed to break l-r-m and reupload it)
[01:15] <siretart> ah, so we go from xorg gl/glu headers to mesa headers, right?
[01:19] <infinity> Yup.
[01:19] <lathiat> ooc, why did we drop libcairo1 from the archives before at least all things for ubuntu-desktop had been transitioned?
[01:19] <infinity> lathiat : Because it was generated from the same source as libcairo2.
[01:19] <lathiat> infinity: ah
[01:19] <infinity> lathiat : It'll sort itself shortly. Development releases aren't meant to be user friendly. :)
[01:20] <lathiat> i know
[01:20] <lathiat> just annoying tryign to test stuff when things aren't installable thats all ;)
[01:20] <infinity> lathiat : Grab libcairo1.deb from a Colony3 CD and install it. :)
[01:20] <lathiat> yeh thats what im doing
[01:20] <lathiat> heh
[01:20] <lathiat> wiating for it to rsync
[01:54] <{Seb}> there seems to be an installer bug with colony 3
[02:03] <{Seb}> after installing it on my laptop
[02:03] <{Seb}> and booting up, it said 'Can not find device /dev/hda1'
[02:29] <JanC> {Seb}, it doesn't completely boot and drops you in a busybox shell ?
[02:40] <{Seb}> yep
[02:41] <{Seb}> known bug?
[03:01] <JanC> {Seb}, I had a similar problem when upgrading breezy to kernel version 2.6.12-7-10 on my laptop
[03:34] <{Seb}> well - i've installed it from colony 2 and dist-upgrading as we speak
[03:49] <ploum> Hello
[03:49] <ploum> Damien Sandras, gnomemeeting's author, want to talk about shtoom vs gnomemeeting in Ubuntu
[03:50] <ploum> Where's the best place for that ?
[03:50] <\sh> #ubuntu-meeting ?
[03:50] <\sh> when?
[03:51] <ploum> yes, indeed, when ;-)
[03:51] <ploum> which meeting is the best ?
[03:51] <\sh> TB
[03:51] <ploum> to put it in the agenda
[03:51] <\sh> technical board
[03:51] <\sh> or he just appears here..:) I took over the project
[03:52] <ploum> \sh, you are the maintener of shtoom ?
[03:53] <\sh> ploum: I will package it and took over the project from thom
[03:53] <ploum> ok :-)
[03:53] <ploum> is the project funded by Ubuntu fundation ? (or maybe bounties)
[03:53] <\sh> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ShtoomVoip
[03:53] <\sh> this is the UDU Project description
[03:54] <ploum> \sh, have you any idea why shtoom was choosen over gnomemeeting as a VoIP ?
[03:55] <Mithrandir> gnomemeeting doesn't do SIP, does it?
[03:55] <tseng> gnomemeeting doesnt do sip
[03:55] <tseng> its WIP
[03:55] <\sh> yes...shtoom is python, easy to extend and it's UI independend
[03:55] <\sh> gnomemeeting wants to support sip, when I remembered some of the goals on the faq, right?
[03:55] <\sh> but
[03:56] <\sh> will it support jabber as well? or at least simple?
[03:56] <mjr> gnomemeeting's next major release supports sip, but dunno how that's coming along
[03:56] <tseng> its sortof working on a branch
[03:56] <Snark> salut
[03:56] <\sh> ploum: I have to think about kde as well :)
[03:58] <ploum> \sh, Gnomemeeting is doing SIP for me for some months
[03:58] <ploum> but I think that debian and Ubuntu packages are CVS snapshots
[03:58] <ploum> for KDE, indeed, that's another problem
[03:59] <\sh> ploum: that is one of the biggest :) UI independency :)
[04:01] <\sh> ploum: and shtoom is only a high-level api to twisteds SIP api...taking care about sound stuff etc.
[04:01] <ploum> indeed, but I've one major point for Gnomemeeting : it works :-)
[04:01] <ploum> (shtoom doesn't work here)
[04:01] <\sh> ploum: shtoom works as well
[04:02] <\sh> I just tested it with a local voip provider here :)
[04:02] <\sh> ploum: latest SVN HEAD of shtoom indeed
[04:02] <ploum> (well, I have only tried those old deb packages ;-) )
[04:03] <\sh> ploum: forget them :) twisted 2.x + shtoom svn head == working...actually the UIs are a bit non-userfriendly
[04:03] <ploum> \sh, what codecs does shtoom use ?
[04:04] <ploum> and, I'm a bit curious about this mysterious "dot ubuntu"
[04:05] <\sh> ploum: I have to check...but it's pluggable
[04:06] <\sh> G711 ULAW (aka PCMU)
[04:06] <\sh> with pygsm it handles as well GSM 06.10.
[04:07] <\sh> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/dotUbuntu <- everything about dotUbuntu :)
[04:07] <ploum> I only see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DotUbuntuRegistrationClient
[04:08] <ploum> Where's the "ConquerTheWorld" page in this wiki ?
[04:08] <ploum> ;-)
[04:08] <\sh> yeah me too ,-)
[04:08] <pef> hi
[04:09] <ploum> \sh, I remember seing bounties about shtoom
[04:09] <ploum> is it possible or am I wrong ?
[04:10] <\sh> ploum: i don't find anything for shtoom but for the registration client...actually I'm not interessted in bounties :)
[04:11] <ploum> I've read somewhere that shtoom is funded by Ubuntu (or MArk Shuttleworth) but I can't find it anymore
[04:11] <ploum> is this true ?
[04:12] <ploum> By the way I really like the dotUbuntu idea :-)
[04:12] <\sh> ploum: /join #shtoom
[04:12] <\sh> and ask anthony
[04:14] <ploum> aaaaargh !
[04:14] <ploum> (f*** breezy gnome-panel !)
[04:14] <ploum> Thx \sh :-)
[04:14] <\sh> ploum: there are some more things I want to include into this goal...
[04:14] <crispin> 15:13 @ chpe | yeah, I've seen it on gtk-d\evel-list
[04:15] <crispin> argh, sorry
[04:15] <j^> http://bootlab.org/~j/NetworkManager-breezy/
[04:17] <lu|away> ohrealy.
[04:17] <lu|away> j^: what are the odds of those actually working? :)
[04:18] <siretart> j^: ?
[04:19] <j^> lu|away i use them
[04:19] <j^> you have to remove bind9 from /etc/rc?.d/
[04:21] <j^> http://bootlab.org/~j/bazaar/ are also the baz sources
[04:22] <j^> regarding the bind9 issue http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13491
[04:31] <j^> infinity these NetworkManager packages are what is taged as 0.4.1 in NetworkManager CVS
[04:31] <rubenv> j^: add a readme there for potential testers
[04:38] <tseng> j^: that wont dhcp for me
[04:38] <tseng> j^: just keeps starting over
[04:38] <tseng> j^: is there a way to get debug/log?
[04:45] <tseng> buh
[04:46] <Alex> buh? moeh!
[05:06] <mdke> can somebody who runs an openssh-server on a breezy machine try and login to it with "sftp" please, i can't do it on mine and i think its a bug
[05:07] <rubenv> mdke: sec, booting one
[05:07] <mdke> actually...
[05:07] <mdke> it's my bad I think
[05:08] <mdke> yeah
[05:10] <mdke> sorry!
[05:10] <rubenv> had to backup to it anyway :-)
[05:10] <mdke> :)
[05:13] <Mez> mdz: ping
[05:20] <j^> tseng you can look in syslog
[05:25] <j^> tseng you need dhcp3-client installed, dhcdbd is still misssing that dependency
[05:25] <tseng> i have both
[05:25] <tseng> brb ill see what comes up in messages
[05:26] <tseng> Aug 21 11:25:42 localhost dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth1 for sub-path eth1.dbus.get.reason
[05:27] <j^> i get that too
[05:27] <j^> but it still works
[05:27] <tseng> buh
[05:27] <tseng> mine starts claiming to dhcp, then the progress bar drops off and its still spinning
[05:27] <tseng> then no connection icon
[05:27] <j^> and do you see any message from dhclient in syslog?
[05:28] <tseng> no
[05:28] <rubenv> the hoary version is broken like hell
[05:28] <rubenv> I feel very tempted to upgrade to breezy again :-)
[05:28] <j^> was dhclient running before?
[05:28] <tseng> um
[05:28] <tseng> yes
[05:28] <j^> kill it
[05:29] <tseng> k
[05:29] <j^> there should be no audto stanca in /etc/network/interfaces
[05:29] <j^> and /etc/init.d/networking start should not configure any interface
[05:30] <tseng> um
[05:30] <tseng> ok.
[05:31] <tseng> i dont think that was an issue with the old packages
[05:31] <rubenv> j^: lo?
[05:32] <j^> rubenv lo should be ok
[05:32] <j^> NetworkManager will also configure lo though
[05:33] <rubenv> hmmm, breezy is highly broken, I'll delay my upgrade for a while (till all is on libcairo2)
[05:34] <tseng> none of that helps much
[05:34] <j^> tseng still no message from dhclient in syslog?
[05:34] <tseng> no
[05:35] <tseng> yes
[05:35] <tseng> Aug 21 11:32:31 localhost dhcdbd: Shut down.
[05:35] <tseng> Aug 21 11:32:39 localhost dhcdbd: Started up.
[05:35] <j^> did you just install dhcdbd?
[05:35] <tseng> no
[05:35] <j^> if so, did you restart dbus?
[05:36] <tseng> yes
[05:37] <j^> and is dhclient running?
[05:37] <j^> here i have something like
[05:37] <j^> /sbin/dhclient -1 -lf /var/run/dhclient.eth0.leases -pf /var/run/dhclient.eth0.pid -e dhc_dbus=31 -x -d eth0
[05:37] <j^> in ps ax
[05:37] <tseng> it is when i have to use it to get back on the network
[05:37] <tseng> but i kill it in between tests
[05:37] <j^> it should be started by /sbin/dhcdbd
[05:39] <j^> /sbin/dhclient --version
[05:39] <j^> isc-dhclient-V3.0.2
[05:41] <tseng> nm is starting /sbin/dhclient --version
[05:41] <j^> no
[05:41] <tseng> isc-dhclient-V3.0.2
[05:41] <tseng> something is, after I kill it and restart dbus
[05:42] <j^> what you can try as root: NetworkManager --no-daemon
[05:42] <j^> that way you get the output in the terminal
[05:42] <j^> and the applet with nm-applet --sm-disable
[05:42] <j^> as user
[05:47] <daniels> i just fixed the whole flashy-black-rectangles on window start and switch in breezy
[05:47] <daniels> 'twas a gtk bug
[05:47] <\sh> daniels: u fixed the crashing gnome-panel as well? ;)
[05:48] <daniels> no way
[05:48] <daniels> that's seb's problem
[05:48] <tseng> j^: http://tseng.ath.cx/nmlog
[05:49] <j^> tseng did you have nm installed before?
[05:49] <tseng> j^: yes.
[05:49] <j^> and you use WEP?
[05:49] <tseng> yes
[05:49] <mjg59> ACPI CRACK
[05:49] <j^> tseng try to select connect to other wireles network
[05:49] <lathiat> mjg59: :)
[05:50] <tseng> j^: same thing
[05:50] <j^> and enter your networkname and wep key again
[05:50] <lathiat> daniels: yay
[05:50] <lathiat> daniels: that was annoying me :)
[05:50] <tseng> yeah ive done that
[05:50] <j^> including the wep key. there was an issue with old keys
[05:52] <j^> NetworkManager: nm_ip4_config_copy: assertion `src_config != NULL' failed
[05:52] <j^> this is strange
[05:53] <tseng> ive put in the key 100 times now
[05:54] <j^> can you try ifconfig eth0 down before starting NM
[05:55] <j^> what do you have in /etc/network/interfaces?
[05:55] <hunger> j^: Does NM use that?
[05:56] <hunger> j^: I thought NM had it's own means of configuration.
[05:56] <tseng> http://tseng.ath.cx/interfaces
[05:56] <tseng> quick
[05:56] <tseng> steal my wifi
[05:56] <j^> ah
[05:56] <j^> you have to take that out
[05:57] <tseng> that affects things why?
[05:57] <j^> hunger NM uses static ip configurations from /e/n/i if present
[05:57] <j^> it should still not fail
[05:57] <hunger> j^: Where does NM get it's other configuration from?
[05:57] <tseng> is commenting good enough?
[05:57] <j^> tseng should do
[05:58] <tseng> good, i dont trust nm
[05:58] <j^> hunger which other information?
[05:58] <hunger> j^: WLAN keys, etc.
[05:58] <tseng> ogra_ltsp: haha!
[05:58] <ogra_ltsp> :)
[05:59] <j^> hunger gconf and keyring of the user
[05:59] <hunger> j^: Why doesen't it store IP settings there as well?
[05:59] <hunger> j^: Having several places to check for network setup is evil IMHO.
[06:00] <j^> NM does not support static ips
[06:00] <j^> still it uses the distros information if present
[06:00] <tseng> still no luck
[06:00] <hunger> j^: It does set it up, isen't that "supporting"?
[06:00] <hunger> j^: Will it pick up WLAN keys from /e/n/i as well?
[06:01] <j^> its part of the distribution backend.
[06:01] <j^> one could also take it out
[06:01] <j^> and say no static ips at all
[06:01] <j^> it will only take ip settings from /e/n/i
[06:01] <j^> if iface eth1 inet static is present
[06:01] <tseng> so far my little dance involves, ifconfig eth{0,1} down, killall dhc*, restart dbus, killall nm-applet
[06:01] <tseng> then try again
[06:02] <hunger> j^: Why not add that into NM as well and remove /e/n/i entirely?
[06:02] <j^> tseng you can also just do killall -9 NetworkManger
[06:02] <j^> killall -9 named
[06:02] <j^> NetworkManger --no-daemon
[06:02] <j^> killall nm-applet
[06:02] <tseng> what is the dispatcher part
[06:03] <hunger> j^: That would get rid of the distro-part entirely and might even make things more uniform across distros;-)
[06:03] <j^> dispatcher is not used right now
[06:03] <j^> you can ignore it
[06:03] <j^> it would allow you to have scripts that are run on connect
[06:04] <tseng> NetworkManager: nm_ip4_config_copy: assertion `src_config != NULL' failed
[06:04] <j^> hunger i agree with you, but dan did it this way to start with
[06:04] <j^> in a next step NM should also provide a cross distribution way to configure static ips (imho)
[06:05] <j^> what does your interfaces file look like right now?
[06:06] <karim__> hi
[06:06] <tseng> http://tseng.ath.cx/interfaces
[06:06] <tseng> like this
[06:06] <j^> can you try
[06:06] <j^> auto lo
[06:06] <j^> iface lo inet loopback
[06:06] <j^> iface eth1 inet dhcp
[06:06] <j^> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[06:06] <j^> you still have
[06:06] <j^> iface eth1 inet static
[06:06] <j^> if you also take that out
[06:06] <j^> it should work
[06:06] <tseng> ok
[06:06] <hunger> j^: I do wonder what NM makes out of my /e/n/i... I use mappings rather a lot to setup WLAN-keys on the fly;-)
[06:06] <j^> not sure about the mapping thing
[06:07] <j^> hunger well it will not work
[06:08] <hunger> j^: Yeap... the only effect I see when starting NM is that it breaks eth0 so that I have to ifdown/ifup it;-)
[06:08] <tseng> holy crap
[06:08] <tseng> j^: thats it, i feel stupid.
[06:08] <j^> hunger but since, if you use NM you dont need that any longer in /e/n/i you can replace it with
[06:09] <j^> http://bootlab.org/~j/interfaces
[06:09] <hunger> j^: I can't... it breaks eth0... and nm-applet does not show any icon.
[06:09] <tseng> j^: thanks
[06:10] <j^> hunger define it breaks
[06:10] <hunger> j^: It does break its configuration so that I need to ifdown/ifup it.
[06:10] <j^> if nm-applet does not show up it could be that your wireless card driver is broken
[06:10] <j^> tseng no problem
[06:11] <j^> tseng its always good to know what the problems are.
[06:11] <hunger> j^: There is no wlan driver for my card.
[06:11] <j^> ?
[06:11] <hunger> j^: Well, not in ubuntu that is:-)
j^: I do wonder what NM makes out of my /e/n/i... I use mappings rather a lot to setup WLAN-keys on the fly;-)
[06:12] <j^> so you do that without a wireless driver?
[06:12] <hunger> j^: I used that /e/n/i with my own kernels... it does work great there.
[06:13] <j^> hunger still not able to parse your statement
[06:13] <hunger> j^: I switched to the default ubuntu kernels not and they have no madwifi.
[06:13] <\sh> hunger: they have
[06:13] <j^> NM does not work for your because you have your own kernel installed?
[06:13] <hunger> j^: s/not/recently/.
[06:14] <Burgundavia> mjg59, ping
[06:14] <mjg59> Burgundavia: Hi
[06:14] <hunger> j^: I didn't try NM with my own kernels... only with the default ubuntu ones which have no madwifi.
[06:14] <mjg59> hunger: Yes they do
[06:14] <mjg59> Install linux-restricted-modules
[06:14] <hunger> j^: Well, the newest version has... but those are completly broken and do not load.
[06:14] <Burgundavia> mjg59, for the hotkey stuff, is there a good guide on how to file a bug about those?
[06:14] <j^> hunger well, thats a bad test, dont expect NM to fix your kernel
[06:15] <mjg59> Burgundavia: Not really
[06:15] <hunger> j^: No, I expect NM to work with my ethernet card in absense of WLAN drivers.
[06:15] <Burgundavia> mjg59, can you email me what would be the best procedure and I can edit the wiki page with instructions accordingly
[06:16] <mjg59> Burgundavia: Ok, will try
[06:16] <mjg59> (Bit tied up at the moment)
[06:16] <Burgundavia> mjg59, I am also writing an email about various things that people might make mistakes on (not telling us about ootb support, upgrades instead of installs, etc.)
[06:16] <hunger> j^: nm-applet does not show up without wlan drivers (or so it seems to me), so I count it as broken.
[06:16] <mjg59> Burgundavia: Ok, cool
[06:17] <Burgundavia> mjg59, I am about to leave for work, but tomorrow I have the day off, so we can coordinate tomorrow
[06:17] <mjg59> Burgundavia: Ok, cool
[06:17] <j^> hunger it should show up now.
[06:18] <j^> not showing up was an issue with earlier version of nm
[06:20] <hunger> j^: Right... now I get lots of connections refused from dbus.
[06:21] <j^> hunger did you restart dbus?
[06:23] <trygvebw> evening
[06:23] <trygvebw> Is Breezy broken atm, or is it pretty safe to dist-upgrade?
[06:24] <Mithrandir> works for me
[06:24] <trygvebw> oaky
[06:24] <trygvebw> *okay.
[06:24] <trygvebw> How long is it since you dist-upgraded?
[06:24] <lathiat> err, bad idea as usual, particularly because libcairo1 has gone and a whole tonne of stuff deps on it atm.
[06:24] <lathiat> if anything, use colony 3
[06:24] <Mithrandir> this morning, CEST time.
[06:24] <trygvebw> oh
[06:24] <trygvebw> So GNOME won't work?
[06:24] <lathiat> and then dist upgrade if you like
[06:24] <lathiat> as you'll have cairo1 and ebook1.2-3 installed then
[06:24] <trygvebw> okay.
[06:25] <lathiat> but if your just a general end user then your better off waiting.
[06:25] <trygvebw> i'll just stay with my current Breezy install then :)
[06:26] <\sh> trygvebw: if you have breezy running...it's ok I think to dist-upgrade again
[06:26] <trygvebw> oh, okay :)
[06:26] <trygvebw> i'll try ;)
[06:26] <\sh> well..the gnome-panel is a bit flakey
[06:26] <trygvebw> ah
[06:26] <trygvebw> thanks.
[06:31] <j^> hm
[06:31] <j^> [ 63.091429] /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target1/lun0: p1
[06:31] <j^> [ 63.125792] Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 1, lun 0
[06:31] <j^> [ 1817.987114] idr_remove called for id=1024 which is not allocated.
[06:31] <j^> [ 1817.987161] [<c01b4250>] sub_remove+0xf4/0xf6
[06:31] <j^> [ 1817.987254] [<c01b4281>] idr_remove+0x2f/0xaa
[06:31] <j^> [ 1817.987273] [<c017923b>] remove_watch_no_event+0x58/0xb2
[06:31] <j^> [ 1817.987294] [<c0179633>] inotify_inode_is_dead+0x46/0x72
[06:32] <j^> [ 1817.987315] [<c016b34b>] prune_dcache+0x11d/0x163
[06:32] <j^> [ 1817.987345] [<c016b6bc>] shrink_dcache_memory+0x1f/0x45
[06:32] <j^> [ 1817.987357] [<c01417a7>] shrink_slab+0x10c/0x16f
[06:32] <j^> [ 1817.987399] [<c01429ce>] balance_pgdat+0x21e/0x3a7
[06:32] <j^> [ 1817.987462] [<c0142c2f>] kswapd+0xd8/0x11d
[06:32] <j^> [ 1817.987482] [<c012aecd>] autoremove_wake_function+0x0/0x57
[06:32] <j^> [ 1817.987509] [<c012aecd>] autoremove_wake_function+0x0/0x57
[06:32] <j^> [ 1817.987529] [<c0142b57>] kswapd+0x0/0x11d
[06:32] <j^> [ 1817.987543] [<c01012d9>] kernel_thread_helper+0x5/0xb
[06:32] <j^> so much for firewire disks
[06:33] <lathiat> firewire sucks
[06:33] <lathiat> add
[06:33] <lathiat> sbp2 serialize_io=1
[06:33] <lathiat> to /etc/modules
[06:33] <lathiat> it helps
[06:33] <j^> lathiat this was the disk going in some powersave mode
[06:33] <lathiat> heh
[06:34] <j^> i prefere firewire disks to usb2 once
[06:46] <hunger> j^: no icon in the tray after restarting dbus. NM did break my eth0 though...
[06:48] <zanaga> I find it quite amusing that Thunderbird spell checker (aka, english spell check) doesn't know the word Ubuntu ;)
[06:48] <j^> hunger if you are using dhcp it should just renew the lease, you can also have a look at syslog
[06:49] <hunger> j^: Lots of "nm_ip4_config_get_address: assertion `
[06:49] <hunger> config != NULL' failed"
[06:49] <j^> hunger static ip?
[06:50] <hunger> j^: "Now managing device eth0" next line: "deactivating eth0".
[06:50] <hunger> j^: dhcp.
[06:50] <j^> what does your /e/n/i look like?
[06:50] <j^> it looks again like a problem with parsing it.
[06:50] <hunger> j^: "<ERROR>^I[1124274746.611112] (): coul
[06:50] <hunger> dn't initialize nameserver: Failed to execute child process "no" (No such file o
[06:50] <hunger> r directory)"
[06:51] <j^> hunger thats network-manager from breezy
[06:51] <j^> not the one from http://bootlab.org/~j/NetworkManager-breezy/
[06:51] <hunger> j^: Yeap... updated today.
[06:51] <j^> hunger the one in breezy does not work
[06:52] <hunger> j^: Oh, sorry to have bothered you then.
[06:52] <zanaga> there is a patch in the bts for that bug
[06:52] <j^> hunger thats why i up a new version at http://bootlab.org/~j/NetworkManager-breezy/
[06:52] <j^> *put
[06:53] <\sh> anyone who knows how to set urgent hints for windows in gtk?
[06:53] <\sh> or a pointer would be enough
[06:57] <infinity> \sh : gaim does it. It doesn't work in metacity without a patches libwnck16, though.
[06:57] <infinity> \sh : (as much as I hate to refer to forums for anything), check out http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=39776
[06:58] <\sh> yeah I saw this...do our gnome has the patch applied?
[06:59] <infinity> Not AFAIK. We should get it in for breezy.
[06:59] <infinity> (I run the patched libwnck16 here, and it works well)
[06:59] <\sh> infinity: btw..I need a installable version of python2.4-gnome2-extras ,-)
[06:59] <fabbione> j^: instead of flooding the chan here, better you file a bug on the kernel, given that our new kernel maintainer is also one of the main firewire developers
[06:59] <infinity> I'll ping ondrej about it, since he appears to maintain it in Debian, and he's a comaintainer of mine on other stuff.
[07:00] <infinity> \sh : You'll get one soon enough, we just had some build snags with the cairo transition. Bug me about it tomorrow if it's still broken, I'm off to bed right now.
[07:00] <\sh> infinity: k :) sleep well :)
[07:00] <infinity> \sh : The buildds may fix it before I wake up, though, I punted a bunch of stuf fback after daniels hunted down the underlying GTK build issue.
[07:01] <daniels> sleep is for the weak
[07:01] <fabbione> daniels: yo dude
[07:01] <fabbione> infinity: can you stay awake 2 more minutes?
[07:01] <daniels> yo bella
[07:02] <hunger> fabbione: are the restricted modules supposed to work now?
[07:02] <fabbione> hunger: i am not restriceted modules maintainer
[07:02] <fabbione> and i don't use them..
[07:02] <fabbione> so i don't know...
[07:03] <mjg59> hunger: What failure are you getting?
[07:03] <fabbione> daniels, infinity: quick chat?
[07:03] <infinity> fabbione : Meh, be quick. I have a girlfriend who's far more important than you.
[07:03] <fabbione> infinity: pretty quick.. less than 2 minutes :)
[07:04] <hunger> mjg59: Missing symbols trying to load ath_pci.
[07:04] <hunger> fabbione: Sorry...
[07:04] <{Seb}> the latest breezy kernel has screwed up my laptop totally
[07:04] <\sh> hmm...
[07:04] <daniels> fabbione: mmm?
[07:05] <{Seb}> when it boots up, it says "Unable to find volume group "hda1"
[07:05] <fabbione> {Seb}: let me guess.. it can't mount the root filesystem
[07:06] <{Seb}> "Alert! /dev/hda1 does not exist"
[07:06] <{Seb}> yeh fabbione - known bug?
[07:06] <fabbione> {Seb}: Package: INITRAMFS
[07:06] <fabbione> the kernel is good
[07:06] <mjg59> hunger: Which symbols?
[07:06] <{Seb}> fabbione: the package is broken?
[07:06] <hunger> {Seb}: I see the same with sda1... but that is since the splash thingy got in...
[07:06] <{Seb}> fabbione: or i need a newer version
[07:06] <mjg59> {Seb}: That's not the kernel's fault
[07:06] <mjg59> Nor is it usplash's
[07:06] <fabbione> {Seb}: i think newer is enough...
[07:07] <mjg59> They just both happen to coincide with the change to initramfs
[07:07] <fabbione> {Seb}: install the newer, reinstall the kernel
[07:07] <{Seb}> fabbione: install the newer? newer what?
[07:07] <hunger> mjg59: "Error inserting ath_rate_onoe (/lib/modules/2.6.12-7-686/madwifi/ath_rate_onoe.ko): Invalid module format" is probably the root cause of the missing symbols.
[07:08] <fabbione> {Seb}: initramfs
[07:08] <fabbione> and reinstall the kernel to regenerate the initrf
[07:08] <fabbione> initrd
[07:08] <{Seb}> thanks fabbione :-)
[07:08] <karim__> I installed mplayer-g4 on ppc but there is no binary !!!
[07:08] <karim__> is it normal ?
[07:11] <eruin> is this normal on breezy bootup? "error inserting /lib/modules/2.6.12-7-686/kernel/drivers/video/console/tileblit.ko: -1 file exists"
[07:12] <{Seb}> fabbione: is the package called initramfs?
[07:12] <fabbione> yes
[07:13] <slomo> fabbione: are sure? there is no package with that name here... but there is initramfs-tools, don't know whether that's the correct one but anyways...
[07:13] <{Seb}> fabbione: same here
[07:13] <fabbione> yeah initramfs-tools
[07:13] <{Seb}> initramfs-tools is already newest version
[07:13] <fabbione> whatever
[07:13] <fabbione> that one
[07:14] <fabbione> if you still have problems after reinstalling the kernel, call jbailey for help
[07:14] <{Seb}> will do fabbione
[07:14] <{Seb}> have a good time :-)
[07:14] <fabbione> thanks
[07:14] <fabbione> oh btw..
[07:14] <fabbione> start to make some mental notes...
[07:14] <fabbione> i am not kernel maintainer anymore .. 7.11 was my last upload... :)
[07:14] <{Seb}> what are you doing now?
[07:15] <jsgotangco> lol
[07:15] <fabbione> {Seb}: getting drunk.. a lot :)
[07:15] <jbailey> fabbione: Sounds like a great idea =)
[07:15] <fabbione> jbailey: hey dude!
[07:15] <{Seb}> i meant ubuntu wise ;-)
[07:15] <jsgotangco> i got drunk myself a few minutes ago..i need to sleep (1am)
[07:15] <jbailey> fabbione: Heya.
[07:15] <fabbione> {Seb}: ubuntu wise, i will make that everybody will be heavily drunk the release day
[07:16] <fabbione> make + sure
[07:16] <{Seb}> sounds good
[07:16] <fabbione> lesson number 1:
[07:16] <fabbione> - you are not supposed to be on IRC on a sunday evening -
[07:19] <daniels> fabbione: especially not at 0320.
[07:20] <jsgotangco> daniels: its already monday
[07:21] <daniels> yes
[07:23] <{Seb}> jabeiley: can you help me with the kernel problem
[07:23] <{Seb}> jbailey: the error is it can't find /dev/hda1
[07:24] <{Seb}> jbailey: i have the latest initramfs-tools
[07:24] <{Seb}> jbailey: and there are losts of errors reguarding interesting kernel modules
[07:25] <jbailey> {Seb}: You're probably just missing a kernel module in the initramfs-tools
[07:25] <jbailey> Do you know which one you need for your harddrive?
[07:25] <{Seb}> jbailey: pass
[07:26] <{Seb}> jbailey: i can get in on an older kernel - shall i try reconfiguring the kernel as fabbione suggested?
[07:26] <karim__> is there a way to use distcc with dpkg-build ?
[07:26] <jbailey> pass?
[07:27] <jbailey> {Seb}: What arch are you on?
[07:27] <{Seb}> intel x86
[07:27] <jbailey> {Seb}: I don't see a kernel module named 'pass', are you sure?
[07:28] <{Seb}> no! when i said pass, i meant i don't know
[07:28] <jbailey> Oh.
[07:28] <jbailey> Can you reboot to a working kernel so we can check, please?
[07:29] <{Seb}> yes
[07:29] <{Seb}> i'm on it now
[07:29] <jbailey> {Seb}: Please /msg me the output from lsmod
[07:30] <{Seb}> jbailey: is ther something you are looking for? i would be here all night
[07:30] <jbailey> Oh, you're not in X?
[07:30] <{Seb}> no
[07:31] <jbailey> {Seb}: lsmod | grep ^ide_code
[07:31] <jbailey> {Seb}: Might have everything I need in it.
[07:33] <karim__> hey
[07:33] <karim__> I am looking the rule file for the thing I want to compile
[07:34] <karim__> the make command is $MAKE
[07:34] <karim__> the make command is $(MAKE)
[07:34] <karim__> what is it ?
[07:35] <mjg59> Hurrah. ACPI is beaten.
[07:48] <mjg59> daniels: What's the best way to autoconfig tablet PCs?
[07:48] <mjg59> daniels: (Assume that I can provide you with something that unambiguously identifies the machine as a tablet PC)
[07:51] <\sh> k...I don't make it this evening...after working 16 hours in 2 days while it was weekend...I'm going to bed
[07:51] <\sh> tomorrow more...
[07:54] <siretart> \sh_away: very good idea
[07:57] <j^> tseng just did a test here with static ips and its was indeed broken, a new packages that also works with static ips configured in /e/n/i is at http://bootlab.org/~j/NetworkManager-breezy
[08:03] <daniels> mjg59: in terms of wacom and shit? just plug it into dexconf a la synaptics
[08:03] <mjg59> daniels: Rock
[08:03] <mjg59> daniels: I'll take a look at that, then
[08:06] <mjg59> daniels: Is dexconf packaged separately from the entirity of X?
[08:11] <mjg59> URGH.
[08:11] <mjg59> The wacom_acpi driver is ENTIRELY POINTLESS
[08:11] <daniels> mjg59: dexconf is just in the xorg source package
[08:11] <mjg59> daniels: I need to download the source to X? Goddamnit.
[08:14] <daniels> mjg59:
[08:14] <daniels> xorg (6.9.99.0-1) breezy; urgency=low
[08:14] <daniels> * The 'Do Androids Dream of Electric Beats?' release.
[08:14] <daniels> + ... in which a once-mighty monolith is cut down to only a couple of
[08:14] <daniels> metapackages.
[08:16] <mjg59> daniels: Hurrah!
[08:17] <daniels> mjg59: there is nothing more mindblowingly shit than sitting on the couch at 0416 on monday morning writing debian/copyright files for every single video driver in the modular release
[08:17] <mjg59> daniels: I envy your life
[08:17] <mjg59> daniels: No, hang on...
[08:19] <daniels> mjg59: INTENSE
[08:23] <daniels> bed
[08:41] <ogra_ltsp> mdz, ping
[08:43] <mdz> ogra_ltsp: pong
[08:44] <tseng> j^: great, thanks
[08:45] <ogra_ltsp> mdz, is there any way to force the timezone setting from the server to the client ? i can only get UTC time for the login screen
[08:54] <ogra_ltsp> mdz, i guess ltsp-build-client should read it from the server while setting up the client environment and run tzconfig...
[09:12] <mdz> ogra_ltsp: o python-pysqlite2: python-pysqlite2 python2.4-pysqlite2
[09:12] <mdz> [Reverse-Depends: gcompris, python-pysqlite2]
[09:12] <mdz> ogra_ltsp: (from http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/anastacia.txt)
[09:13] <ogra_ltsp> mdz, yes, i recognized it today, sorry, i already mailed pitti if he can review the report with higher prio... i missed that one ...
[09:15] <ogra_ltsp> the gcompris-sound packages are added to the seed already....
[09:15] <ogra_ltsp> (that was based on my wrong assumption that seeds have source package names in them)
[09:18] <ogra_ltsp> s/have/can have
[09:51] <mistik1> good day
[09:52] <mistik1> for the purpose of research can someone running ubuntu please verify that the file /etc/ubuntu_version exist in ubuntu releases and is not a symlink?
[09:53] <Mithrandir> it doesn't
[09:53] <Mithrandir> use the output of lsb_release -i -s instead.
[09:53] <mistik1> In that case, Is there a failsafe way to detect if we are running on ubuntu, vs debian?
[09:54] <mistik1> thank you
[09:54] <mistik1> can you give me the output of that command. Please?
[09:54] <Mithrandir> : tfheen@thosu ~ > lsb_release -i -s
[09:54] <Mithrandir> Ubuntu
[09:55] <mistik1> lovely
[09:56] <mistik1> ubuntu was just added to the distro support list of my script ;-)
[09:56] <mistik1> thanks again
[09:56] <SloMoSnail> mistik1: what script?
[09:57] <mistik1> to install qmail with the Bill Shupp series of patches along with webmail, spam+antivirus filters(smtp level), web admin, and a frontend webpage.
[10:03] <mistik1> Btw: I assume lsb_release is also available on debian?
[10:03] <Mithrandir> yes, in the lsb-release package
[10:04] <mistik1> installed by default?
[10:04] <Mithrandir> I don't think so. Maybe
[10:05] <mistik1> ok, I'll keep the /etc/debian_version for compat sake then
[10:05] <Mez> mdz: ping
[10:08] <lathiat> seb128, daniels: libgtk2.0-dev needs to dep on libxrandr-dev, libxinerama-dev, libxcursor-dev, libxfixes-dev
[10:09] <lathiat> seb128, daniels: or whatever to fix that it wants those for pkg-config
[10:10] <seb128> lathiat: already reported to bugzilla, already marked as PENDINGUPLOAD, waiting for 2.8.1
[10:10] <lathiat> seb128: ok cool
[10:19] <Simira> *installing colony3*
[10:31] <pitti> Hi
[10:57] <pitti> Moin ogra, still writing MI reports? :-)
[11:07] <pitti> Hi BenC
[11:08] <ogra> pitti, hopefully the last one...
[11:09] <ogra> :/
[11:16] <sedak> ping seb128
[11:16] <seb128> pong?
[11:16] <sedak> hello
[11:17] <seb128> hi
[11:17] <sedak> are you the maintainer of libgtk2.0-dev ?
[11:17] <sedak> i'm quite new here ...
[11:17] <seb128> right
[11:17] <sedak> i think it depends on libxfixes-dev
lathiat: already reported to bugzilla, already marked as PENDINGUPLOAD, waiting for 2.8.1
[11:17] <sedak> look at gdk-2.0.pc
[11:17] <seb128> I know thanks
[11:18] <seb128> as stated by bugzilla
[11:18] <sedak> sorry
[11:18] <sedak> then
[11:18] <seb128> no need to be sorry
[11:18] <sedak> i just noticed ...
[11:18] <seb128> thanks for pointing it :)
[11:18] <sedak> no need to thank me ...
[11:18] <sedak> :-)
[11:29] <ajmitch> morning
[11:34] <ogra> seb128, import xlib
[11:34] <ogra> ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/sabayon/xlib.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:34] <ogra> sabayon ^^^
[11:35] <seb128> ogra: what version ?
[11:35] <ogra> current amd64, updatetd today
[11:35] <seb128> what version is that?
[11:35] <seb128> dpkg -l
[11:36] <ogra> heh, i shouldnt run dpkg -l on rookery
[11:36] <ogra> ogra@honk:~ $ dpkg -l |grep sabayon
[11:36] <ogra> ii sabayon 2.11.90-0ubuntu4
[11:36] <seb128> dpkg -l <package>
[11:36] <seb128> it's outdated
[11:36] <ogra> oh
[11:37] <seb128> the issue is fixed with the next revision
[11:37] <ogra> its that latest i can get here....
[11:38] <ogra> hmmm....
[11:38] <seb128> it has built according to the logs
[11:38] <ogra> yup
[11:41] <ogra> works now (with a smalll error about not finding "gnome X session")
[11:44] <ogra> seb128, any idea why i cant get sabayon to run over ltsp ? i only get a black embedded window... xnest doesnt seem to like ssh tunneled displays
[11:45] <seb128> nop
[11:45] <seb128> doesn't xnest work?
[11:45] <ogra> locally it does... i didnt dig further with ltsp... it just stayed black... i'll do more tests tomorrow
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2005-08-26-#launchpad
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[02:20] <Marky> hi everyone =)
[02:21] <Marky> well.. i can't add a new member to a specific translator group
[02:22] <Marky> when i click the "Choose' button there's a new window opens
[02:22] <Marky> but when i enter the name .. in won't do a thing
[02:23] <Marky> is it a bug ?
[02:23] <Marky> I'm using Mozilla 1.0.6 thanx
[02:23] <Marky> oh, that's Rosetta
[02:30] <sabdfl> Marky: wht are you entering in the text box?
[02:31] <sabdfl> you need to enter part of somebody's name
[02:31] <sabdfl> then it searches
[02:31] <Marky> yeah, i've entered the name
[02:31] <sabdfl> it shoudl tell you if it finds no matches, but at the moment it just looks like nothing happens
[02:31] <sabdfl> file a bug, assign to stuart bishop
[02:31] <Marky> so.. should i wait .. ?
[02:32] <Marky> well.. this is odd..
[02:33] <Marky> i've searched for someone name Tedi Heriyanto
[02:33] <Marky> He's translated some package, but when i'm searching his name to add him..
[02:34] <Marky> the Launchpad found nothing
[02:54] <sabdfl> Marky: try contacting him directly, ask him to register in launchpad
[03:17] <sd-tux> hi, how can i start translating a program(gnomemeeting) to georgian language ? in "Programs you can translate" i see only some applications gaim xmms etc.
[03:41] <sabdfl> sd-tux: are you a member of the Ubuntu Georgian team?
[03:42] <sabdfl> would you like to be? have you any experience translating PO files?
[03:43] <sabdfl> and what's your launchpad name?
[03:45] <sd-tux> sabdfl: my launhpad name is "Alexander Didebulidze" I don't have experience in translating .po files
[03:46] <sd-tux> sd-tux: and I'm notmember of Ubuntu team yet
[03:47] <sd-tux> sabdfl: and I'm notmember of Ubuntu team yet..
[03:48] <sabdfl> sd-tux: i'm happy to add you as the first translator
[03:48] <sabdfl> it would be good if you could start trying to find other guys who would join a team
[03:48] <sabdfl> when you find someone else, create a launchpad team, and add yourself and them to the team
[03:48] <sabdfl> then we'll make the team the translator instead of you personally
[03:48] <sabdfl> make sense
[03:48] <sabdfl> ?
[03:49] <sd-tux> sabdfl: actualy i just want to translate some gnome apps.. I helped a bit in translating Gaim using Rosetta..
[03:50] <sabdfl> i've added you as a designated Georgian translator for ubuntu
[03:50] <sabdfl> so now you can translate anything there
[03:50] <sabdfl> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+translations
[03:50] <sd-tux> sabdfl: we are 2 persons now.. "Alexander Didebulidze" and "Vladimir Sichinava"
[03:50] <sabdfl> ok
[03:51] <sabdfl> create a team called "Ubuntu Georgian Translators" with name ubuntu-l10n-ka
[03:51] <sabdfl> put vladimir in there, and yourself too
[03:51] <sabdfl> then ping me
[03:52] <sd-tux> ok
[04:01] <sd-tux> sabdfl: do i have a permission to change the name of georgian translator from "Alexander Didebulidze" to "Ubuntu Georgian Translators" ? I'm getting " Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page."
[04:01] <sd-tux> sabdfl: on this page : https://launchpad.net/rosetta/groups/ubuntu-translators/
[04:14] <sabdfl> sd-tux: have you created the team?
[04:14] <sabdfl> what'sthe team name?
[04:15] <sd-tux> sabdfl: i can't find a place from wich i can create a team ...
[04:18] <sd-tux> sabdfl: ok i found it..
[04:44] <sd-tux> sabdfl: ok I have created a team an i'd like to know how to add a package for translation in Rosetta
[05:03] <sabdfl> sd-tux: done
[05:03] <ddaa> 44466644466582
[05:03] <ddaa> oop-
[05:03] <sabdfl> you can now automatically translate any package in ubuntu
[05:03] <sabdfl> ddaa: hello :-)
[05:04] <ddaa> hello
[05:12] <sd-tux> sabdfl: how can i tell rosetta how plural forms work for Georgian..
[05:12] <sabdfl> sd-tux: do you know what a georgian pluralform expression looks like?
[05:13] <sd-tux> sabdfl: I think i know... I'm georgian and other members too :)
[05:14] <sabdfl> yes, but in PO file translation, there's a bit of magic that describes how plural forms work in that language
[05:14] <sabdfl> usually it's pretty simple - any message that has a variable number of "things" has two forms - one singular, one plural
[05:14] <sabdfl> but some languages are a lot more complicated
[05:15] <sabdfl> welsh, for example, has many,many plural forms
[05:15] <sabdfl> depending on whether there are 0, 1, 2, 3, 7 or more, 10 or more... etc
[05:15] <sabdfl> for example, the message "there are %s cars on the road"
[05:15] <sabdfl> how many different sentences would you need to translate that, depending on the number of s?
[05:16] <sabdfl> in georgian?
[05:16] <sabdfl> in english, it's two
[05:16] <sabdfl> "there are X cars on the road"
[05:16] <sabdfl> "there is X car on the road"
[05:16] <sd-tux> for example we have no articles, no capital letters, no masculine or feminile articles.
[05:16] <sd-tux> but we have 7 cases.
[05:16] <sabdfl> sounds good
[05:16] <sabdfl> cases are not usually a problem
[05:17] <sabdfl> is it slavic? similar to russian?
[05:17] <sd-tux> so
[05:17] <sd-tux> georgian is not indoeropian language
[05:18] <sd-tux> georgian is a Kartvelic Caucasian Language.
[05:20] <sd-tux> a Language is with proper alphabet and with a propher language.
[05:20] <sd-tux> in this team we understand quite good english, and good german italian and russian language.
[05:21] <sd-tux> for example with plural nouns;
[05:22] <sd-tux> there are X cars on the road= "kuchashi X manka-nebia" (I'm using latin letters :D) and...
[05:22] <sd-tux> "there is X car on the road" - "kuchashi X mank-anaa".
[05:23] <sd-tux> "sufix" is changed.
[05:27] <sd-tux> so plurals in georgian are:
[05:27] <sd-tux> 1 car = 1 mankana
[05:27] <sd-tux> 2 cars = 2 mankana
[05:28] <sd-tux> many cars = bevri mankana
[05:28] <sd-tux> so noun mankana is not changed.
[05:29] <sd-tux> but without without "many" a noun mankana will change into "mankanebi".
[05:29] <sd-tux> so what can do?
[05:30] <sabdfl> ok, this looks fairly standard
[05:30] <sabdfl> email this conversation to the rosetta-users list and ask carlos to add Georgian
[11:28] <mdke> hi all
[11:28] <mdke> is everything imported into breezy in rosetta now?
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2005-08-26-#kubuntu
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[12:07] <confrey> hi everybody
[12:08] <LabThug_hm> Anyone here use kwifimanager that can post their Location file somewhere. I'm having problems getting kubuntu to connect to my AP and webcvs.kde seems down
[12:13] <BTJustice> LabThug_hm: Have you created configs in KWifiManager?
[12:13] <LabThug_hm> Tried, that it didn't connect
[12:14] <BTJustice> OK, are you ising WEP?
[12:14] <LabThug_hm> yep
[12:14] <BTJustice> and DHCP?
[12:14] <LabThug_hm> yep
[12:15] <BTJustice> OK, delete all the configs you created from KWiFIManager and stop using it as it sucks ass.
[12:15] <LabThug_hm> It says it sees my AP, but the AP's mac never changes and it continually says it's connected to an AP called "UNKNOWN"
[12:15] <BTJustice> Follow these instructions...
[12:15] <confrey> how can I load realtime module? I get 'invalid parameter'
[12:15] <BTJustice> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=58168
[12:16] <LabThug_hm> BTJustice: thanks, will review and try them
[12:20] <LabThug_hm> "Reboot".... hmmm, I'm on the LiveCD (testing it out) can I get by with just if[up|down]
[12:21] <BTJustice> I have no idea.
[12:21] <LabThug_hm> yay!!!!
[12:21] <LabThug_hm> I can ;-)
[12:21] <hmmf> morning, whatever :)
[12:22] <BTJustice> It worked? Your wireless works?
[12:22] <hmmf> gotta love transistors
[12:22] <gdh> haha :)
[12:22] <hmmf> sorry, wrong time warp
[12:22] <gdh> Anything on the BBC Home Service this evening?
[12:23] <ubuntu> BTJustice: yes, it does :-D
[12:23] <gdh> Goon Show? Good enough for me :)
[12:23] <hmmf> they' invaded Poland
[12:23] <ubuntu> Thanks for the forum link. That's going in the bookmarks
[12:23] <BTJustice> You might post in the thread I gave to you that it did. :)
[12:23] <gdh> Poland was asking for it ;)
[12:23] <BTJustice> I created that thread
[12:24] <hmmf> crossed the Sudentenland with stealth I believe, Polish Cavalry shattered
[12:25] <hmmf> which brings me inextricably to webcams and a suggestion for a prog to use to get one going
[12:25] <hmmf> I've found it easily enough with lsusb
[12:26] <hmmf> does it need linking in udev or something?
[12:27] <hmmf> not that having one is necessarily an advantage an avatar tells no lies
[12:27] <hmmf> or truths :)
[12:29] <hmmf> so please if anyone is using a webcam could you tell me what program you use it with?
[12:29] <gdh> gnomemeeting? webcams will just use /dev/video to register themselves
[12:30] <gdh> the canonical program for testing Video4Linux devices is 'xawtv'
[12:30] <hmmf> thanks gdh
[12:30] <hmmf> excellent many thanks I've worn out my v4l keys
[12:31] <hmmf> back to the orifice thank you I'll give you an autographed pic
[12:32] <trozoid> hey, are ubuntu forums down, or is it just me?
[12:33] <LabThug_kubuntu> hm, guess it was just trozoid
[12:57] <blueyed> Do you also have problems with Firefox, like that kde's launch feedback (jumping cursor) does not recognize when Firefox has started or that it often (not at the moment here) opens as a tab on another virtual desktop? This is with the firefox package from backports..
[12:57] <blueyed> I'll try to use the latest from hoary-security instead.
[12:58] <othernoob> does anyone know how to convert wmv to mpeg?
[01:04] <b3nd3r> :)
[01:30] <cooler> hello
[01:30] <seth_k> hi
[01:30] <cooler> where can i find some computerscience related books for free ?
[01:31] <gdh> your local library?
[01:32] <seth_k> hahah
[01:32] <seth_k> he's off and running, to the library
[01:32] <crimsun> cooler: the library is a great place
[01:33] <cooler> those who i need are already taked
[01:33] <gdh> It's, like, full of books 'n' shit :)
[01:34] <gdh> perhaps a library further away then? ;)
[01:35] <seth_k> or you can use a feature called "put a hold on books until they are returned" :P
[01:36] <cooler> okok
[01:36] <cooler> i want the ebook versions
[01:37] <cooler> eletronic versions
[01:39] <gdh> so you're doing an education course but haven't set aside money for text books? :)
[01:39] <gdh> try kazaa etc. - good luck.
[01:39] <crimsun> cooler: keep in mind there are some great older editions online via the Web
[01:41] <cooler> google isn't helping
[01:42] <pax> what kinda books, linux related?
[01:43] <cooler> cscience related
[01:43] <gdh> that's a hell of a large field.
[01:44] <cooler> algorithms, data compression
[01:44] <gdh> tell you what, why don't you just paste in your required reading list for the course and we'll find warez versions for you? :)
[01:44] <cooler> that's easy ?
[01:44] <cooler> heh
[01:44] <gdh> it would be if I were serious.
[01:44] <crimsun> just search for the cormen questions if you want a textbook on algorithms
[01:45] <crimsun> 1st edition problems & answers are cached somewhere
[01:46] <crimsun> remember also that there's plenty of research on various universities' Web sites that you can cross-reference (appendices, works cited)
[01:46] <pax> cooler search google for "pdf ebooks computer science' http://tuxmobil.org/ebook.html
[01:47] <crimsun> if you really want English textbooks, I could mail you some. I teach a couple CS courses, so it wouldn't be out of the way.
[01:48] <_tito> ubuntu detects my mouse but its mybe a permision problem
[01:48] <cooler> thanks pax
[01:49] <_tito> how can i do that?
[01:49] <pax> crimsun: so when are you starting a book about ubuntu?
[01:49] <_tito> i have mx 100 laser mouse
[01:49] <_tito> i have mx 1000 laser mouse
[01:50] <pax> we got bibles about every distro out there, just not ubuntu yet. Debian 3.1 bible just came out.
[01:50] <crimsun> pax: afaik, there's quite a bit of documentation out there already
[01:53] <cooler> crimsun: what cs courses do you teach ?
[01:53] <pax> yes, but a huge portion of the population still prefer books over internet docs. I personally don't mind spending $30 on a good book, especially if I know a portion of it will go to support my favorite distro.
[01:53] <crimsun> cooler: OS, algorithms, and programming languages
[01:59] <bz0b> hey guys
[02:00] <Reverendo> hi
[02:00] <bz0b> i just reformatted my notebook, and reinstalled kubuntu 5,04, i already installed like 3 apps i need, upgraded, and rebooted to the new kernel, anyone recommend me to do anything else at the moment
[02:01] <bz0b> and now gcc
[02:01] <bz0b> hmm
[02:01] <Reverendo> the apps are working properly?
[02:01] <bz0b> yes
[02:01] <bz0b> and they are apps that usually work on gnome
[02:02] <bz0b> firefox, gaim, and xchat
[02:02] <bz0b> which i am using xchat right now
[02:02] <bz0b> of course i used apt-get so they usually do work
[02:02] <bz0b> any libraries that i should apt-get for?
[02:02] <Reverendo> well, my "approach" on upgrading things are: only upgrade when I really need and, if they are working, that's all ok :)
[02:02] <bz0b> i see
[02:03] <Reverendo> what do you use to read email?
[02:03] <bz0b> i just use gmail
[02:03] <bz0b> Hmm
[02:03] <Reverendo> I like thunderbird
[02:03] <bz0b> oh yeah?
[02:03] <bz0b> hmm
[02:03] <bz0b> good idea
[02:04] <gdh> bz0b: Given you've come so far as to use Kubuntu, have Konqueror, Kopete, Konversation and Kontact proved inadequate?
[02:04] <Reverendo> it have some bugs, but it is very good
[02:05] <bz0b> Kopete yes
[02:05] <bz0b> Konversation and Kontact, i have never tested
[02:05] <gdh> Kopete's biggest problem in Hoary is it doesn't save history. Aside fromthat I have no complaints.
[02:06] <bz0b> Well I really dont like using a IM window for IRC
[02:06] <bz0b> that is why I use xchat or irssi
[02:07] <gdh> ii konversation 0.16-1ubuntu1 user friendly Internetii konversation 0.16-1ubuntu1 user friendly Internet Relay Chat (IRC) clie Relay Chat (IRC) clie
[02:07] <gdh> :)
[02:07] <bz0b> and I have used thunderbird on windows before
[02:07] <gdh> oops, bit of a crap paste there.
[02:07] <bz0b> Konverstation is a IRC client?
[02:07] <gdh> yes
[02:07] <Reverendo> I uses to use Kmail, but now I prefer Thunderbrid
[02:07] <bz0b> hmm
[02:08] <Reverendo> I used to...
[02:13] <bz0b> alright i got thunderbird all configured
[02:13] <bz0b> time to get ndiswrapper
[02:13] <bz0b> it works so well with my wifi card!
[02:13] <bz0b> honestly it is so easy
[02:15] <arcanistherogue> hey, is it possible to listen to .wma files on linux?
[02:16] <bz0b> yes
[02:16] <arcanistherogue> how do you do it?
[02:16] <bz0b> vlc player
[02:16] <arcanistherogue> hmm
[02:16] <bz0b> videolan.org/vlc
[02:16] <arcanistherogue> can i get that with apt-get?
[02:16] <arcanistherogue> or synaptic
[02:16] <bz0b> there is a .deb file
[02:16] <bz0b> if you have good sources
[02:16] <bz0b> probably
[02:17] <arcanistherogue> hmmm
[02:17] <arcanistherogue> thanks alot
[02:17] <arcanistherogue> ill look around
[02:17] <bz0b> that is a good idea
[02:17] <bz0b> now i will get that too
[02:17] <bz0b> hehe
[02:17] <bz0b> i just reformatted
[02:17] <bz0b> so i need some good apps
[02:17] <arcanistherogue> nifty, i did about a week ago
[02:17] <arcanistherogue> needed mroe linux space
[02:17] <arcanistherogue> UT2004 was eating my memory >_<
[02:17] <arcanistherogue> well, im gonna get back to work. thanks.
[02:17] <brk3> anyone here using an ati card?
[02:18] <bz0b> yes
[02:18] <bz0b> brk3, i do
[02:19] <bz0b> but since im on a laptop
[02:19] <bz0b> its integrated
[02:19] <bz0b> and what sucks
[02:19] <bz0b> is that whenever i boot up it always says ATI Radeon NorthBridge Not Fully Tested
[02:19] <bz0b> they need to fully test it!
[02:19] <brk3> bz0b: does it work though?
[02:19] <bz0b> yes
[02:20] <bz0b> vesa drivers
[02:20] <bz0b> but it works
[02:20] <brk3> what are vesa drivers?
[02:20] <bz0b> like sort of default drivers
[02:20] <brk3> do you get 3d acceleration then
[02:20] <bz0b> probably not
[02:20] <bz0b> maybe
[02:20] <brk3> full resolution?
[02:20] <bz0b> not too sure
[02:20] <brk3> what laptop do you have
[02:20] <bz0b> yes
[02:20] <bz0b> presario 2100 series (2186rs with upgraded to 1gb ram)
[02:21] <brk3> just im thinking of getting a hp pavilion zv6179
[02:21] <brk3> seems class but am slightly worried about the ati card
[02:21] <bz0b> the new hp's are great notebooks in my opinion
[02:21] <brk3> ya they seem really good
[02:22] <bz0b> my cousin has one he runs gentoo on it very nicely
[02:22] <brk3> i think everything will work
[02:22] <brk3> just that card,,
[02:22] <brk3> s/,,/\.\./
[02:22] <brk3> as long as i can have full resolution id be happy
[02:22] <brk3> wont really be playing games
[02:22] <brk3> (i suppose)
[02:23] <gdh> vesa driver will give you the full screen resolution, but no 2D accel - important if you ever play video
[02:23] <brk3> what about the drivers from the ati website?
[02:24] <brk3> bz0b: have you tried them?
[02:24] <gdh> I have a matrox mystique 220 PCI from 1998 .. :)
[02:24] <bz0b> what
[02:24] <bz0b> nope
[02:24] <brk3> why not
[02:25] <bz0b> maybe i will get the fglrx or whatever they call it
[02:25] <bz0b> i like doing things with apt-get
[02:25] <brk3> does wifi work on your laptop?
[02:25] <bz0b> yes
[02:25] <bz0b> i <3 ndiswrapper
[02:25] <bz0b> so easy man
[02:25] <bz0b> apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[02:25] <brk3> what about the drivers from linuxant
[02:25] <bz0b> havent tried
[02:26] <bz0b> brk3, its honestly 5 commands to have it there permenantly
[02:27] <bz0b> apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils && ndiswrapper -i filename && modprobe ndiswrapper && ndiswrapper -l && ndiswrapper -m
[02:27] <brk3> bz0b: im liking the sound of it :)
[02:27] <bz0b> there you go
[02:27] <brk3> http://zv6000forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=643
[02:27] <brk3> i like the look of that aswell
[02:28] <brk3> and wifi works nicely
[02:28] <bz0b> yes
[02:28] <bz0b> yay
[02:28] <bz0b> vlc is working
[02:29] <bz0b> i <3 vlc
[02:29] <bz0b> time to get skype!
[02:29] <gdh> lovely - all the non-free shite =)
[02:30] <bz0b> what is non-free?
[02:30] <gdh> skype at least
[02:30] <bz0b> skype out and in is, but that is understandable
[02:30] <gdh> ndiswrapper is dubious
[02:30] <bz0b> skype is free
[02:31] <brk3> as long as theres linux support i dont really care if stuff is free or not
[02:31] <bz0b> yeah
[02:31] <gdh> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
[02:31] <bz0b> oh i see what you mean
[02:31] <gdh> skype is as closed and non-free as you can get save for a purchase price.
[02:32] <bz0b> i just read the first and understood what you meant
[02:34] <bz0b> time to get limewire for linux!
[02:34] <bz0b> to download my music
[02:34] <bz0b> and now that i have vlc its a great combo
[02:34] <brk3> oh ya :)
[02:34] <gdh> nicotine instead? (for the soulseek network)
[02:34] <bz0b> is it better?
[02:34] <gdh> I'm happy with it.
[02:34] <brk3> whats vlc
[02:35] <gdh> VideoLAN Client
[02:35] <bz0b> videolan client
[02:35] <bz0b> man it plays like every format
[02:35] <gdh> vlc is a nice choice on Windows because it does not use the windows codec system, it does everything internally
[02:35] <bz0b> yes
[02:35] <bz0b> well it's nice on linux too!
[02:37] <brk3> how does the wifi gui on linux compare to the one on windows? or has anyone tried the windows one
[02:38] <seth_k> Windows GUI pwns Linux's for now
[02:38] <seth_k> Breezy makes it quite a bit better
[02:38] <bz0b> breezy?
[02:38] <brk3> seth_k: pwns?
[02:38] <seth_k> ubotu tell bz0b about breezy
[02:38] <seth_k> brk3, Windows GUI > Linux's GUI
[02:39] <bz0b> HEHE
[02:39] <brk3> seth_k: thought so :(
[02:39] <bz0b> It can and will brake your system
[02:39] <seth_k> brk3, Breezy includes the NetworkManager, hopefully... it will allow for easy roaming, easy wifi selection, stuff like that
[02:39] <brk3> linux is so great but it really needs to get its act together in alot of areas
[02:39] <crimsun> windows's gui? Actually I find this gui (XP) quite annoying.
[02:39] <bz0b> yes me too
[02:39] <bz0b> I think KDE is much better
[02:40] <crimsun> now app-wise, yes, I think there need to be quite a few additional progs.
[02:40] <brk3> bz0b: it is, but we're talking about the wifi gui
[02:40] <brk3> i hate when linux lets me down like this
[02:40] <brk3> no drivers for 6-in-1 card reader either
[02:41] <brk3> that kind of shite gives windows-advocates a field day
[02:41] <gdh> card readers shouldn't need any specific driver - just uses the USB mass-storage support
[02:41] <gdh> put a card in, icon should appear on the desktop...
[02:42] <brk3> gdh: its a well know fact that the new 6-in-1 card readers on laptops just dont work on linux
[02:42] <bz0b> what do you guys think is a better server distro? RHEL 4 or Centos?
[02:42] <seth_k> Centos = RHEL without branding, neh?
[02:42] <gdh> ah k so they'll be connected via some odd interface - only a matter of time :)
[02:43] <gdh> seth_k: CentOS is for people too cheap to buy RHEL and too lazy to learn a better OS like Debian :)
[02:43] <brk3> i mean i know its the companies fault for not making drivers. but thats not gonna change so we need to get over it. its a problem thats not being solved
[02:43] <seth_k> gdh, word :P
[02:43] <IceDC571> um.. where is the history for konqueror?
[02:44] <bz0b> yeah
[02:44] <gdh> seth_k: That said, it's a useful tool for lame asses like Dell who will only accept that a fault with a machine exists if it can be demonstrated on 'RHEL'
[02:44] <brk3> IceDC571: the third tab from the bottom on the sidebar
[02:46] <bz0b> wow
[02:46] <bz0b> i never knew about alien
[02:46] <brk3> bz0b: alien is good alright
[02:46] <IceDC571> brk3: thank you :)
[02:46] <bz0b> i now know that
[02:47] <bufalo73> hello
[02:47] <bufalo73> I have a problem : "Inconsistency detected by ld.so"
[02:48] <bufalo73> does anybody know how to fix it?
[02:48] <bufalo73> google doesn't helps
[02:48] <brk3> bz0b: would you take a look at the laptop im thinking of and tell me what you think?
[02:49] <bz0b> sure
[02:49] <bz0b> can you relink me?
[02:49] <brk3> bz0b: http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ie/en/ho/WF06b/21675-38187-38191-38191-38191-12200672-53922087.html
[02:49] <bz0b> ok
[02:49] <bz0b> one sec
[02:49] <brk3> thanks
[02:49] <brk3> im just scared shitless linux wont work
[02:50] <brk3> bufalo73: when do you get that error
[02:51] <bufalo73> brk3, anytime I try to open a KDE app
[02:51] <brk3> bufalo73: in a pop-up is it?
[02:51] <bufalo73> pop-up (alt-f2) and command line
[02:52] <BTJustice> Anyone know how to access the KDE Setup Wizard where you can pick if you want KDE to act like Windows or MAC OS X?
[02:53] <brk3> heh
[02:53] <bz0b> brk3, it will work with 64 iso;s
[02:53] <bz0b> amd64*
[02:53] <bz0b> can't promise it will work with i386
[02:53] <brk3> i think that should be a good quote if i do say so myself: "im just scared shitless linux wont work"
[02:53] <bz0b> haha
[02:53] <brk3> says it all doesnt it :)
[02:54] <bz0b> yup
[02:54] <brk3> bz0b: i thought 32 bit would intall fine if you wanted
[02:54] <brk3> people here were saying not to bother with 64bit it just causes probs
[02:55] <brk3> bufalo73: sorry, have no idea how to fix that
[02:55] <bz0b> brk3, well depends on what distro
[02:55] <bz0b> i think ubuntu and kubuntu will
[02:55] <bufalo73> thanks anyway brk3
[02:55] <brk3> bz0b: well obviouly i want kubuntu
[02:55] <bz0b> but whax wont :-)
[02:55] <bz0b> ok
[02:55] <bz0b> then yes
[02:55] <bz0b> it will
[02:55] <brk3> bufalo73: try #debian, seems to be a debian related prob
[02:55] <brk3> dunno though
[02:55] <bz0b> but if you are at all like me, then you are going to have to recompile the kernel of whax, a security tools distro, to use t
[02:55] <bz0b> it*
[02:56] <bz0b> it has every sort of pentest you would wat
[02:56] <bz0b> want*
[02:56] <brk3> what the hell is whax :)
[02:56] <bz0b> iwhax.net
[02:56] <bz0b> #whax
[02:56] <bz0b> wanna hack wep?
[02:56] <bz0b> hehe
[02:56] <brk3> wep?
[02:57] <bz0b> wireless networks with a pass
[02:57] <BTJustice> Anyone know how to access the KDE Setup Wizard where you can pick if you want KDE to act like Windows or MAC OS X?
[02:57] <bz0b> i mean crack wep
[02:57] <brk3> BTJustice: in relation to keyboard?
[02:57] <brk3> bz0b: heh
[02:58] <brk3> bz0b: will help once i get my laptop and ndiswrapper :p
[02:58] <bz0b> yes
[02:58] <bz0b> actually whax automatically picks up almost every wireless card on startup
[02:58] <bz0b> :-)
[02:58] <bz0b> you dont even need to do anything except go near a AP
[02:58] <BTJustice> brk3: No in relation to the desktop
[02:59] <brk3> BTJustice: just on the kde menu->control centre?
[02:59] <brk3> bz0b: ya seems like a great distro.. site doesnt even work :p
[02:59] <BTJustice> Nah. There is a set up wizard to do it with. It comes with FreeBSD and Slackware I think.
[03:00] <bz0b> ioh
[03:00] <bz0b> haha he is updating it
[03:00] <bz0b> haha
[03:01] <mornfall> hmm, anyone interested in Adept .deb? (this is a pre-alpha version of the prepared breezy-kubuntu package manager)
[03:01] <mornfall> i need some testing :)
[03:02] <brk3> mornfall: il test it. if i can install it!
[03:02] <mornfall> in a minute, i'll upload the packs
[03:02] <brk3> where can i get it
[03:04] <brk3> cant wait to see it actually :) kynaptic is balls
[03:04] <mornfall> brk3: grab the 3 debs on http://beleriand.mornfall.net/~mornfall/adept/ and install them -- that should be enough :)
[03:04] <mornfall> brk3: then run sudo adept
[03:05] <bz0b> i know this may sound a little noobish, but how do i cp a directory
[03:05] <bz0b> i am trying to copy /usr/java to /usr/lib/java
[03:05] <gdh> cp -R dir destination
[03:05] <bz0b> thanks
[03:06] <brk3> bz0b: dude?!
[03:06] <gdh> although, yeh :)
[03:06] <brk3> bz0b: cp -r /usr/java /usr/lib/java
[03:06] <bz0b> yeah
[03:06] <bz0b> sorry
[03:06] <bz0b> i forget sometimes
[03:06] <brk3> mornfall: hope they're not too big.. im on dialup :()
[03:06] <brk3> *:(
[03:07] <mornfall> -a, actually :)
[03:07] <brk3> the old ganga eh
[03:07] <gdh> wow, I thought dialup was made illegal in 2003 :)
[03:07] <gdh> so much for progress
[03:07] <bz0b> yay
[03:07] <bz0b> LimeWire works now!
[03:07] <mornfall> brk3, 4M total i think
[03:08] <bz0b> someone name a song!
[03:08] <brk3> gdh: wish it was
[03:08] <brk3> scumbags wont bring it to my area
[03:08] <mornfall> Nowhere by Katatonia
[03:08] <brk3> bz0b: enjoy!
[03:08] <mornfall> (that's what playing here, anyway)
[03:08] <brk3> mornfall: ah, it'l be worth it
[03:08] <mornfall> brk3: tell me if you get something out of it :)
[03:09] <brk3> mornfall: anything to contribute :)
[03:09] <bz0b> brk3, thanks
[03:09] <gdh> bz0b: Party at Tony's Beach by the Lindberg Hemmer Foundation ;)
[03:09] <mornfall> anyone else willing to give it a ride?
[03:09] <bz0b> ok
[03:10] <brk3> mornfall: do you want me to email you with a report?
[03:10] <mornfall> brk3: whatever, i will hang around for a while
[03:10] <gdh> mornfall: I wouldn't know what to do with it - all the packages I want are already working :)
[03:10] <brk3> theres far too much traffic in #ubuntu
[07:59] (pax/#kubuntu) it's a 'clock' problem, nothing is wrong with your clock, it's kdesu problem
[07:59] (pax/#kubuntu) not*
[07:59] (BTJustice/#kubuntu) how do you fix kdesu?
[08:00] <Kovecses> BTJustice: its not a problem with kdesu its a problem with the time app
[08:00] <BTJustice> or can the clock be removed and then reinstalled with Ksynaptic?
[08:00] <pax> Kovecses: he can adjust the clock just fine from kcontrol
[08:00] <BTJustice> correct
[08:00] <Kovecses> pax: then whats the prob?
[08:01] <pax> Kovecses: I just said kdesu, he can't run it properly
[08:01] <BTJustice> Kovecses...
[08:01] <BTJustice> If i right-clci kon the clock in the applet
[08:01] <BTJustice> then left-click on Adjust Date & Time
[08:02] <BTJustice> a window pops up asking me for my root password which I enter correctly
[08:02] <BTJustice> i click ok
[08:02] <BTJustice> and nothing happens
[08:02] <kainos> help! how do i start samba?
[08:02] <BTJustice> the clock doesn't pop up so I can adjust it
[08:03] <BTJustice> kdesu commands in trerminal do nothing
[08:04] <Kovecses> BTJustice: like i said thats the time app not kdesu.........all my other kdesu commands work great...until i try and run the time app........then no kdesu commands work.....so i bet after you restart kdesu will work...as long as you dont try that time app
[08:04] <BTJustice> ok, i will reboot
[08:04] <BTJustice> brb
[08:04] <pax> geez
[08:04] <pax> kainos: what's the problem with samba?
[08:04] <Kovecses> pax: at least that is how my system is
[08:05] <kainos> sorry. wasn taking down notes
[08:05] <kainos> just starting it up. im config my other pc
[08:05] <pax> 123 reboot, windoz culture :c)
[08:06] <kainos> i already set up the other pc n its doing fine now. im setting my other pc. still having problems starting it up
[08:06] <kainos> i already got how to update and modify the rcconf
[08:07] <pax> kainos: install swat, frontend for smb, it'll make your life little easier
[08:07] <kainos> just the startup
[08:07] <pax> !info swat
[08:07] <ubotu> swat: (Samba Web Administration Tool), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 3.0.10-1ubuntu3 (hoary), Packaged size: 3877 kB, Installed size: 9012 kB
[08:07] <IceDC571> i cant wait for kde4 to come out
[08:07] <Kovecses> pax: yea the thing with debian is ........... i could never get sound working properly....ubuntu i have to compile the newest versions of alsa for it to work.......but in debian i could kindove get it to work
[08:07] <kainos> ok wait
[08:08] <IceDC571> does anyone know a gapless audio player based on qt?
[08:08] <Kovecses> IceDC571: what is up with kde4 why is it gonna be so good?
[08:08] <BTJustice> ok back
[08:08] <Kovecses> IceDC571: umm whats wrong with amarok?
[08:08] <pax> Kovecses: debian make great server, leave GUI to ubuntu
[08:08] <kainos> ill do the swat thing later
[08:08] <BTJustice> what kdesu command shall i try?
[08:08] <kainos> how do i start it up
[08:09] <Kovecses> BTJustice: just try kdesu kate
[08:09] <BTJustice> ok now password window appears
[08:09] <pax> kainos: /etc/init.d/smb start
[08:09] <BTJustice> but, when I type in the password
[08:09] <BTJustice> nothing happens
[08:10] <BTJustice> kate doesn't open
[08:10] <BTJustice> oh wait
[08:10] <BTJustice> it just opened
[08:10] <Kovecses> ahh see
[08:10] <BTJustice> took awhile though
[08:10] <Kovecses> yeah kdesu takes a little bit longer
[08:10] <BTJustice> shall i try a kdesu command for the clock?
[08:10] <pax> it's kate that takes longer not kdesu :-)
[08:11] <Kovecses> pax: yeah maybe
[08:11] <pax> BTJustice: so you can adjust the clock normally now?
[08:12] <pax> without going to kcontrol?
[08:12] <BTJustice> i haven't tried
[08:12] <BTJustice> should i?
[08:12] <Kovecses> well yeah
[08:12] <Kovecses> wtf
[08:12] <BTJustice> lol
[08:12] <pax> let me think ..
[08:12] <Kovecses> lol
[08:12] <BTJustice> i wanted ot be sure you didn;t want me to try more stuff
[08:12] <BTJustice> since kdesu commands stop working after trying to adjust clock
[08:13] <BTJustice> i am going to try it
[08:13] <Kovecses> try kcontrol
[08:13] <Kovecses> kdesu kcontrol
[08:13] <BTJustice> it doesn;t open the clock wen i right-clcik
[08:13] <Kovecses> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[08:13] <BTJustice> let me try kcontrol
[08:14] <Kovecses> BTJustice: are you like 13?
[08:14] <Kovecses> lol j/k
[08:14] <BTJustice> i am just a shitty typer
[08:14] <BTJustice> kcontrol works
[08:14] <kainos> ok pa i go it now.
[08:14] <Kovecses> of course it does
[08:14] <kainos> how do i use swat then?
[08:14] <Kovecses> its only the time app that doesnt
[08:14] <kainos> after installing
[08:14] <BTJustice> will be 30 in 2 weeks, looking forward to that... NOT
[08:15] <aseigo> BTJustice: bah.. i'm 30.. it's all good =)
[08:15] <BTJustice> :)
[08:15] <Kovecses> im 22 in a week
[08:15] <BTJustice> senior discounts and auto insurance are right around hte corner
[08:16] <aseigo> haha..
[08:16] <aseigo> still a ways off from that
[08:16] <BTJustice> lol
[08:16] <Kovecses> auto insurance discounts are at 25 i thought?
[08:16] <aseigo> life is good at 30 =)
what do i do after installing SWAT?
[08:16] <aseigo> Kovecses: yep.. here in canada, anyways =)
[08:16] <BTJustice> Seriously though, I am sitting here stupidfied.
[08:16] <Kovecses> BTJustice: does time adjustment work in kcontrol?
[08:16] <BTJustice> Why can't I right-clcik on the clock then left-click on Adjust Date & Time then enter my password and have hte clock pop up like it use to?
[08:17] <BTJustice> yes
[08:17] <aseigo> BTJustice: ah, just go out and have fun on your birthday.. 30 years of life is a great accomplishment and there are many more to come.
[08:17] <aseigo> BTJustice: hrm.. if you can't, that'd be a kubuntu bug
[08:17] <Kovecses> BTJustice: it is a bug............linux and kde are not perfect........yet
[08:18] <BTJustice> Now let me tell you guys this...
[08:18] <BTJustice> i have installed Kubuntu several times now...
[08:18] <BTJustice> this happens every time...
[08:18] <BTJustice> i once installed hte world clock for KDE which seemed to fix the problem
[08:18] <IceDC571> kde4 is going to have a new theme engline
[08:18] <IceDC571> engine*
[08:18] <BTJustice> but it came back later not working
[08:19] <BTJustice> so i uninstalled world clock and it would work
[08:19] <Kovecses> IceDC571: i heard kde4 was gonna even be like twice as fast
[08:19] <BTJustice> then it would not work
[08:19] <BTJustice> so i reinstalled world clock
[08:19] <BTJustice> abck and forth
[08:19] <BTJustice> *back
[08:19] <aseigo> well, probably not TWICE as fast.. but faster in many respects yes
[08:19] <Kovecses> BTJustice: if you can adjust time in kcontrol then why even stress it?
[08:20] <Kovecses> aseigo: yeah your right.....but im just imbelishing i guess
[08:20] <IceDC571> kdelook already has a kde4 section
[08:20] <BTJustice> Kovecses: Yeah I know, but it still bugs me, to me, that makes KDE inferior. You kow what mean? It SHOULD be able to let you adjust hte time directly.
[08:20] <Kovecses> IceDC571: does it look good
[08:20] <BTJustice> inferior... like my typing, lol
[08:20] <Kovecses> BTJustice: it may be a kubuntu problem and not a kde problem
[08:21] <BTJustice> That's another thing too...
[08:21] <BTJustice> Why does Ubuntu have a Gnome and a KDE version?
[08:21] <BTJustice> They oughta just pick one
[08:21] <Kovecses> BTJustice: you are lost
[08:21] <BTJustice> I have been here many time with Kubuntu problems and am told ot go to #Uuntu and vice versa
[08:22] <pax> kainos: after installing swat, you would want to enable root account because swat requires that (sudo) wouldn't work, and then in your browser go to localhost:901 enter the root pass, and set your samba the way you want.
[08:22] <_frank> BTJustice: because some people want kde, some want gnome.
[08:22] <Kovecses> BTJustice: Ubuntu is gnome kubuntu is kde...TWO different distro's
[08:22] <BTJustice> Yeah I realize that, but I also think this is one of Linux's big problems...
[08:22] <BTJustice> too many distro's
[08:22] <BTJustice> too many differnet ways to do something
[08:22] <BTJustice> you know?
[08:22] <_frank> It's the same distro, different guis
[08:22] <Kovecses> BTJustice: my advice is to go use windows then
[08:22] <BTJustice> Hell with that
[08:23] <Kovecses> BTJustice: linux is all about choice........you cstomize it to fix your exact needs
[08:23] <BTJustice> I R-E-A-L-L-Y want Linux to work especially KDE as I like that better than Gnome.
[08:23] <_frank> yeah but with windows, if you don't like the interface, you're stuck with it
[08:24] <BTJustice> _frank: Actually, you can change with programs such as Windows Blinds
[08:24] <_frank> BTJustice: once you get over the adjustment to linux bump, you won't look back
[08:24] <BTJustice> I know, I like what I see.
[08:24] <Kovecses> BTJustice: if you use a distro like debian everything works cuz they are bent on stableness.....ubuntu is more cutting edge where stuff aint gonna work
[08:24] <BTJustice> But really, how the f can I not adjust the clock anymore?
[08:24] <aseigo> Kovecses: it's not really 2 diff distros. it's one distro with 2 different desktops. most of the packages are the same =)
[08:24] <BTJustice> That is silly to me.
[08:25] <aseigo> BTJustice: when you enter your password, is that giving you errors/
[08:25] <BTJustice> I was thinking about trying Mepis
[08:25] <BTJustice> or Gentoo
[08:25] <Kovecses> aseigo: yes i know.........
[08:25] <BTJustice> aseigo: No errors
[08:25] <BTJustice> nothing happens
[08:25] <BTJustice> with the clock anyway
[08:25] <aseigo> BTJustice: sounds like the kdesu bug
[08:25] <_frank> BTJustice: well you said it used to work, did you do anything that could have affected it?
[08:25] <IceDC571> well keep in mind only try gentoo if you have time to compile every single app you'll run
[08:26] <_frank> BTJustice: like install non ubuntu packages?
[08:26] <Kovecses> BTJustice: did you try running the clock app as straight root?
[08:26] <BTJustice> _frank: No. I adjusted it a few hours ago, checked e-mail with Kontact, turned compouter off for a bit, turned it back on, clock was off, I tried to open it and nothing
[08:26] <BTJustice> How do I run clock app as straight root?
[08:27] <Kovecses> BTJustice: well ..........you must create a root account
[08:27] <BTJustice> or turn it on right?
[08:27] <BTJustice> aseigo: What is the kdesu bug?
[08:28] <aseigo> BTJustice: the one where it stops working ;)
[08:28] <aseigo> BTJustice: it's a known bug on kubuntu where the kdesu patches that make it use sudo rather than su mess up at some point =(
[08:28] <BTJustice> aseigo: well it works if I don;t try to adjust time, i was able to do kdesu kate and it worked.
[08:28] <BTJustice> I am utterly confused right now, lol.
[08:29] <aseigo> BTJustice: it also has the devs who are working on it befuddled.
[08:29] <aseigo> BTJustice: i hope to work on it with them at aKademy
[08:29] <BTJustice> See it stopped working when it was still 3.4.0 KDE about 2 hours ago.
[08:30] <BTJustice> I went ahead and added the link to get the latest KDE for Hoary to my sources.list and let it downlaod and install
[08:30] <BTJustice> i hoped it would fix the problem but it didn;t
[08:30] <_frank> what is aKademy?
[08:31] <BTJustice> I am sitting here watching Dune on the Sci-Fi Channel... what a stupid movie...
[08:31] <_frank> the mini series?
[08:32] <BTJustice> The movie
[08:32] <_frank> never saw it
[08:32] <BTJustice> well turn tv to Sci-Fi channel if you got it, lol
[08:32] <Kovecses> BTJustice: yeah kde is more buggy than gnome.....but kde is alot more cool looking and functional........like i HAD to set up my printer in gnome for it to work in kde
[08:32] <_frank> not american
[08:33] <BTJustice> Kovecses: Yes I like KDE much better than Gnome.
[08:33] <BTJustice> I think it is better organized
[08:33] <BTJustice> but I guess the fleas come with the dog
[08:34] <pax> BTJustice, try this: rm .kde/share/config/clock_panelapplet* ----- now, in console: sudo kcontrol > system administration > date & time > check set date and time automaticaly > change the time zone correctly. Then right click on the kicker > remove clock > kill the kicker > start it again > add clock back
[08:34] <BTJustice> rm .kde/share/config/clock_panelapplet*
[08:34] <BTJustice> in the terminal
[08:34] <BTJustice> ?
[08:34] <Kovecses> pax: very nice info
[08:34] <pax> yes
[08:36] <BTJustice> btjustice@Kubuntu:~$ rm .kde/share/config/clock_panelapplet*
[08:36] <BTJustice> btjustice@Kubuntu:~$ sudo kcontrol
[08:36] <BTJustice> Password:
[08:36] <BTJustice> ERROR: Communication problem with kcontrol, it probably crashed.
[08:36] <BTJustice> btjustice@Kubuntu:~$
[08:36] <Kovecses> pax: worked for me!
[08:36] <BTJustice> let me try again
[08:36] <pax> BTJustice: ok, just kill kicker and restart it
[08:36] <Kovecses> BTJustice: try kdesu kcontrol instead of sudo kcontrol
[08:37] <BTJustice> how do I kill tha kicker again and restart it
[08:37] <pax> Kovecses: you had the same problem?
[08:37] <BTJustice> ?
[08:37] <pax> kilall kicker
[08:37] <ms12> wow enlightenment DR17 is a killer manager
[08:37] <pax> killall kicker*
[08:37] <Kovecses> pax: yeah the clock app dont work for me........but my time is correct so i dont care
[08:38] <BTJustice> ok, how do i reopen kicker?
[08:38] <pax> type kicker & in console
[08:38] <BTJustice> ok
[08:38] <BTJustice> now re-add the clock applet?
[08:38] <pax> yes.
[08:38] <BTJustice> ok
[08:38] <BTJustice> now try to adjust the time?
[08:39] <pax> yes, either or smoke some more weed
[08:39] <Kovecses> pax: did you try to change the time through kde......i have talked to many who say it doesnt work
[08:39] <pax> mine works fine
[08:39] <Kovecses> pax: you on 3.4.2?
[08:39] <BTJustice> nothing
[08:40] <pax> Kovecses: yes
[08:40] <Kovecses> pax: have you tried it? or does time just work
[08:40] <BTJustice> pax: Still nothing.
[08:40] <pax> BTJustice: did you rm .kde/share/config/clock_panel* ?
[08:40] <Kovecses> pax: try it i bet it dont work
[08:41] <pax> Kovecses: works here.
[08:41] <BTJustice> yes
[08:41] <BTJustice> let me try again in case i f'ed up...
[08:41] <pax> BTJustice: check if you have that in root sudo -i
[08:41] <Kovecses> pax: send me a screenie then i will believe..........cuz every one else i have talked to say it dont work
[08:42] <Kovecses> pax: u must be lucky
[08:42] <BTJustice> pax: What?
[08:42] <BTJustice> root sudo -i
[08:42] <BTJustice> ???
[08:42] <Kovecses> hmmmmmmmm
[08:42] <Kovecses> what?
[08:43] <Kovecses> rm .kde/share/config/clock_panel
[08:43] <BTJustice> does it have to have * at end?
[08:43] <pax> just sudo -i
[08:43] <pax> yes it does, or use tab
[08:44] <BTJustice> ok i am root now in terminal
[08:44] <Kovecses> all this just to fix something that he has fixed
[08:44] <BTJustice> i will try pax instructiosn again
[08:44] <pax> Kovecses: http://ninux.net/files/believefoo.png :-)
[08:44] <BTJustice> root@Kubuntu:~ # rm .kde/share/config/clock_panel*
[08:44] <BTJustice> rm: cannot remove `.kde/share/config/clock_panel*': No such file or directory
[08:44] <BTJustice> root@Kubuntu:~ #
[08:44] <pax> ok, good. now try to see if you can adjust it from the clock again
[08:45] <BTJustice> root@Kubuntu:~ # sudo kcontrol
[08:45] <BTJustice> ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Can't determine DISPLAY. Aborting.
[08:45] <BTJustice> root@Kubuntu:~ #
[08:45] <BTJustice> ???
[08:45] <BTJustice> Nope, still can't adjust from the clock
[08:46] <pax> whatever you are smoking, I'll take some
[08:46] <pax> you are root and using sudo?
[08:46] <BTJustice> I am following your instructions
[08:46] <BTJustice> you typed above
[08:46] <BTJustice> BTJustice, try this: rm .kde/share/config/clock_panelapplet* ----- now, in console: sudo kcontrol > system administration > date & time > check set date and time automaticaly > change the time zone correctly. Then right click on the kicker > remove clock > kill the kicker > start it again > add clock bac
[08:47] <pax> did I say you have to be root to do sudo kcontrol
[08:47] <_frank> BTJustice: use sudo not in a root shell
[08:47] <_frank> BTJustice: your root shell may not have the right environment
[08:47] <Kovecses> pax: very cool screenie...........
[08:48] <BTJustice> pax: Yes, you said to "sudo -i". Remember?
[08:48] <Kovecses> ok bed
[08:48] <Kovecses> bye
[08:48] <pax> BTJustice: i konsole type exit
[08:48] <pax> in*
[08:49] <BTJustice> ok done
[08:49] <pax> nothing yet?
[08:49] <BTJustice> yes, i am now in KDE control Center
[08:50] <pax> comment vas tu _frank
[08:50] <_frank> bien
[08:50] <BTJustice> changed time
[08:50] <BTJustice> removing clock from applet
[08:51] <BTJustice> killing kicker
[08:51] <BTJustice> turning kicker back on
[08:51] <BTJustice> adding clock back to panel
[08:52] <BTJustice> nothing
[08:52] <pax> BTJustice: here's the deal, you don't adjust the clock everyday, it's a one time thing. So you can do it from control center when you need to.
[08:52] <BTJustice> still can't adjust from the clock
[08:52] <BTJustice> yeah
[09:05] <BTJustice> Kind of sucks that I can't change it directly from the clock though
[09:06] <BTJustice> thanks for the help at any rate
[09:47] <BTJustice> pax: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=111187
[09:52] <pax> BTJustice: great, fire another one here http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ :)
[09:53] <BTJustice> Bingo Bango
[10:01] <BTJustice> pax: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13914
[10:07] <vot3> do you know how i can se it to the mousewheel instead?
[10:11] <BTJustice> ???
[10:11] <BTJustice> To use the mouse wheel in Kubuntu to scroll?
[10:13] <BTJustice> It shoudl work by default unless you have some whacky generic mouse
[10:14] <BTJustice> You might try the terminal and type in... sudo kcontrol
[10:15] <BTJustice> go to Peripherals > Mouse and look around in there
[10:50] <ecker> i forgot how to get my net running on start up can someone remind me how?
[10:55] <seaLne> it should do it automatically unless you've maybe changed something?
[10:55] <seaLne> there should be "auto" next to the interface name in /etc/network/interfaces
[10:56] <seaLne> hmm actually weird my eth0 dosen't
[10:56] <seaLne> ahh its being done with hotplug
[10:57] <ecker> The loopback network interface
[10:57] <ecker> auto lo
[10:57] <ecker> iface lo inet loopback
[10:57] <ecker> thats what mine looks like
[10:57] <seaLne> ecker: you don't have any mention of eth0?
[10:58] <ecker> map eth0
[10:58] <ecker> # The primary network interface
[10:58] <ecker> iface eth0 inet static
[10:59] <ecker> cant paste it all in here
[10:59] <seaLne> looks fine, is there an ip address after that?
[10:59] <ecker> yeah
[10:59] <seaLne> what happens if you do "sudo ifup eth0"?
[10:59] <seaLne> that work fine?
[11:00] <ecker> udo ifup eth0
[11:00] <ecker> ifup: interface eth0 already configured
[11:00] <ecker> hmm strange
[11:00] <seaLne> does /sbin/ifconfig list an ip and stuff for eth0?
[11:00] <ecker> yes
[11:01] <seaLne> what makes you think the network isn't up?
[11:01] <ecker> but i already did dhcpclient to get the net up in running, but i gotta do it everytime i restart. its not auto detecting it on boot
[11:02] <BTJustice> Here...
[11:02] <seaLne> ecker: if you are using dhcp you should have that in /etc/network/interfaces instead of static
[11:02] <BTJustice> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=58168
[11:02] <seaLne> ecker: change it to iface eth0 inet dhcp
[11:04] <ecker> ok brb
[11:27] <nikkia> PM-aSeepin: yeah?
[11:28] <PM-aSeepin> nikkia i just thought of something I would really like to see in KDE, that I bet you could do in like 5 minutes flat
[11:28] <nikkia> whats that ?
[11:28] <PM-aSeepin> firefox/mozilla stores your bookmarks in an xml/html file right?
[11:28] <nikkia> html, i think, yeah
[11:29] <PM-aSeepin> in KDE you can have the menu put in an entry for your konqueror bookmarks
[11:29] <PM-aSeepin> I would *LOVE* to be able to do that with my firefox bookmarks
[11:36] <mornfall> morning :)
[11:49] <mornfall> anyone here running kubuntu breezy? :)
[11:51] <seaLne> mornfall: yeah
[11:51] <mornfall> willing to test adept for me?
[11:51] <mornfall> deb http://beleriand.mornfall.net/~mornfall/adept ./
[11:51] <mornfall> apt-get install adept
[11:52] <mornfall> the package is rough and all, it's pre-aplha still :)
[11:52] <seaLne> i don't have it on my home machine atm (this afternoon probably) but if i don't get it setup i'll try it at work tommorow
[11:52] <seaLne> about to get rid of sid
[11:53] <nikkia> lol @ tpb
[11:54] <nikkia> they've changed their logo to a pirate ship in a transparent apple, click it and it auto-searches for the OSX/x86 builds :P
[11:54] <nikkia> i'm guessing they got some legal threats from apple, again
[11:58] <PM-aSeepin> whats it gonna take wumin
[11:58] <nikkia> PM-aSeepin: a lot more free time :/
[11:59] <PM-aSeepin> would it really take that much? from what i understand, konqueror stores bookmarks in html as well.. wouldnt you just be able to change the file that konqueror's bookmark extension uses?
[11:59] <PM-aSeepin> hell
[11:59] <PM-aSeepin> point me to the right file
[11:59] <PM-aSeepin> ill take my own crack at it
[11:59] <PM-aSeepin> :)
[11:59] <PM-aSeepin> I dont mind, I can hack around in c a little
[12:00] <PM-aSeepin> (very little)
[12:00] <PM-aSeepin> i just have no clue where to look heh
[12:01] <n> I was told by a ubuntu dev that Breezy supports 'Suspend to disk'. I've installed Breezy w/ its latest kernel but there is no suspend to disk option on the KDE session manager.
[12:01] <PM-aSeepin> it might be a command you need to map
[12:01] <nikkia> PM-aSeepin: it'd be a bit more complex than that
[12:01] <PM-aSeepin> all these really brave friggen people usin breezy
[12:01] <BTJustice> They may have been looking for another tester.
[12:02] <PM-aSeepin> i dont plan to use it till halfway to next release :D
[12:02] <BTJustice> Breezy... like a fart...
[12:02] <PM-aSeepin> nikkia: well, im gonna roam around the source tree for the menu system if i can find it, and see for myself ;)
[12:02] <n> BT: you really think they were just blagging me away from opensuse?
[12:03] <PM-aSeepin> and im even weary at 3 months old to use a release
[12:03] <BTJustice> blagging & opensuse???
[12:03] <PM-aSeepin> maybe ill install breezy when the following release comes out :D
[12:03] <n> opensuse is the first distro I've seen with the suspend to disk turbo boot option
[12:03] <PM-aSeepin> I ordered 20 cds from shipit... 10-x86, 5-PPC (only 4 showed), and 5-AMD64
[12:04] <BTJustice> I just use Windows XP. It's bulletproof
[12:04] <PM-aSeepin> all I have left is one of each for myself, heh
[12:04] <n> but I'd rather get it working under ubuntu
[12:04] <n> BT: you joker!
[12:04] <BTJustice> lol
[12:04] <PM-aSeepin> peopel are eating ubuntu up... i know for a fact i completely converted one guy, he deleted windows and broke the cd... and ive got at least 5 more telling me they love it
[12:04] <nikkia> PM-aSeepin: well, the issues would be, you'd need to somehow differentiate the two bookmark lists, you'd need to find the profile names - and how do you present the list if there is more than one profile in mozilla?, its not the 'getting the bookmarks' thats the complex issue, its how to present them properly
[12:05] <BTJustice> I have to keep Windows though. I have too many games.
[12:05] <n> PM: Eveybody has always said 'Yeah but look how long it takes to boot' - I need to get this sorted!
[12:05] <nikkia> PM-aSeepin: one solution would just be to merge everything into one bookmarks list, but some people wouldn't like that
[12:05] <PM-aSeepin> nikkia: OR you could just put an option in kcontrol that lets you select the bookmark file manually under an advanced tab :D
[12:05] <PM-aSeepin> can I tell firefox to use the same bookmark list konqueror does?
[12:06] <n> noboduy here knows nothing about suspend to disk then right?
[12:06] <PM-aSeepin> n: i would imagine its 'suspend'
[12:06] <PM-aSeepin> just open a shell and type: sudo suspend
[12:06] <PM-aSeepin> see what happens
[12:07] <n> PM: How do I add that command to the KDE log out screen though?
[12:07] <PM-aSeepin> n i don't know, but you could EASILY put a shortcut to application on your desktop
[12:07] <PM-aSeepin> right click desktop, select create new, then link to applicatioon
[12:07] <n> I cry kludge, dear sir!
[12:08] <PM-aSeepin> under the "command" item, put: kdesu suspend
[12:08] <n> aha!
[12:08] <PM-aSeepin> soemone would have to hack kde to put it ont he shutdown menu ;)
[12:09] <PM-aSeepin> how do i change my default browser?
[12:09] <PM-aSeepin> found it
[12:16] <jpatrick> hmm..
[12:16] <jpatrick> Kexi works here :/
[12:22] <spiral> hmmm, could anyone here recommand me a mail biffing client in order to check the large amount of accounts I have without taking an icon by account on my tray as korn wants to do ?
[12:22] <PM-aSeepin> does anybody happen to know of a GOOD AMV site.. something with lots of good (and hopefully rare) downloads?
[12:23] <PM-aSeepin> there are some videos that I love that Im having trouble finding
[12:43] <alessandro> hi
[12:43] <jpatrick> lo
[12:45] <alessandro> just switched to kubunto from mandrivia... i'am really impressed
[12:45] <jpatrick> :)
[12:45] <seaLne> cool :)
[12:46] <alessandro> my pc is really faster now
[12:48] <probono> hi all, is there a "Colony 3" kubuntu live cd yet?
[12:53] <spiral> probono: I suppose the daily cds should not be too far from it...
[12:54] <probono> where do i get the daily cds?
[01:30] <mexican> Hi
[01:31] <mexican> perrps
[01:31] <mexican> bla bla
[01:31] <mexican> whats crackin fools?
[01:54] <toolman> So havn't seen any conversation in here
[01:55] <toolman> does anyone talk about kubuntu?
[01:55] <pointwood> yes
[01:55] <gdh> just usually later in the day
[01:55] <toolman> hehe righto;
[01:56] <toolman> when is the hot time? international :D
[01:56] <pointwood> dunno
[01:56] <pointwood> F1 is going to start shortly, so...
[01:58] <pointwood> afk
[01:58] <toolman> yep watching now
[01:58] <toolman> schui at the back
[02:03] <toolman> go!
[02:03] <xpnoob> hi
[02:04] <toolman> xpn00b :D
[02:04] <toolman> wasup
[02:04] <xpnoob> :0(
[02:04] <xpnoob> :-)
[02:04] <xpnoob> im ok tnx
[02:04] <toolman> so, er, like kubuntu?
[02:04] <xpnoob> just got postfix running
[02:04] <toolman> tight
[02:04] <xpnoob> yea
[02:04] <xpnoob> kubuntu is cool
[02:04] <toolman> yay for the default channel :D
[02:04] <xpnoob> :)
[02:04] <toolman> watching F1?
[02:05] <xpnoob> ehm, saw a little this morning
[02:05] <toolman> lve now
[02:05] <toolman> lIve
[02:05] <xpnoob> ah :-)
[02:05] <xpnoob> i was too busy putting mail back up online
[02:05] <toolman> so why (k)ubuntu?
[02:05] <toolman> hehe
[02:05] <xpnoob> because its easy to install and has alot of features?
[02:06] <xpnoob> ive been a windows user for years and years. just on linux for one week now
[02:06] <toolman> its the linux that removed windows one and for all :D
[02:06] <xpnoob> and ill never go back, tnx to kubuntu ;)
[02:06] <toolman> yeah safe
[02:06] <xpnoob> ya
[02:06] <buz> same here
[02:06] <toolman> a few grumbled with kubuntu tho
[02:06] <xpnoob> heh
[02:06] <buz> i cant wait for kde4
[02:06] <ralph1> same here
[02:06] <toolman> just got the kaffeine fix
[02:07] <toolman> makes that player mcuh nicer
[02:07] <xpnoob> yea, kde is going fast
[02:07] <buz> i think kaffeine is effectively still broken in 3.4.2 right
[02:07] <buz> i use xine anyhow ;)
[02:07] <toolman> yeah i used gnome for about 3 monthsd
[02:07] <toolman> would like it but its too slow :(
[02:09] <nik> can anyone help me solve the problem of my internet being slower in kubuntu than in xp
[02:09] <xpnoob> still?
[02:09] <toolman> well u need to decide what is slower;
[02:09] <toolman> modem or broadbad?
[02:09] <toolman> aNd
[02:09] <nik> broadband
[02:10] <toolman> how much slower? whats your test?
[02:10] <nik> if itmatters i get itnernet through another computer and taht computer is connected to a college LAN
[02:10] <nik> abotu 4 times slower
[02:10] <nik> 5*
[02:10] <toolman> so..
[02:10] <toolman> downloading http?
[02:10] <toolman> or EVERYTHING?
[02:11] <nik> http and ftp
[02:11] <toolman> got kubuntu?
[02:11] <nik> yup
[02:12] <toolman> umm well only thing i can think of is to see if something else is sending traffic
[02:12] <nik> how woudl i go about taht
[02:12] <toolman> ie chewing up 4/5th of your bandwtith?
[02:12] <toolman> umm "sudo tcpdump -i eth0"
[02:13] <nik> ok
[02:13] <toolman> and it will speww out packets till u hit control c
[02:13] <nik> does it say how much bandwitdh its taking ?
[02:13] <toolman> so dont do anything and see if u are still getting lots of packets
[02:13] <toolman> umm not very human readable
[02:13] <xpnoob> lol
[02:13] <toolman> there is a a k app
[02:14] <toolman> ksysguard
[02:14] <xpnoob> if you can read 100 lines/sec...
[02:14] <nik> lol
[02:14] <nikkia> its perfectly readable for its intended audience
[02:14] <toolman> hehe if u getting 100 linesa sed then u got traffic!
[02:14] <xpnoob> :-)
[02:14] <toolman> but ksysguard has a nice eth graph/logger
[02:14] <toolman> so check that out :D
[02:15] <toolman> but do u think its a config prob?
[02:15] <nik> ok and umm another thing someone reccomended to check my network settings in xp and kubuntu and compare them which setttings shoudl i check
[02:15] <nikkia> nik, that was me, and as i said 'all of them'
[02:15] <toolman> well if u are actually getting traffic only thing that comes to mind is duplex settigs
[02:15] <nik> o ya t was u whre can i find a list of "all of them " in xp
[02:15] <toolman> but dont know much about config of thatin linux
[02:16] <nikkia> nik, its not all in one place
[02:16] <toolman> and would only expect 1/2 speed not 1/5 speed
[02:16] <nikkia> toolman: it might be the LAN is using odd MTU or something
[02:16] <toolman> yeah godo call
[02:16] <toolman> good
[02:16] <nikkia> but there are just too many variables
[02:16] <nikkia> it could even just be a badly supported network card driver
[02:16] <nik> umm so stil werhe are the settigns in xp?
[02:17] <nikkia> nik, Control Panel/Network Connections
[02:17] <nikkia> in a command window, ipconfig will show some of them
[02:19] <benje> salut et bye
[02:26] <kittychan> i was juast askin
[02:34] <Kitty-Kun> how can i break a 40 MB file into 10MB parts?
[02:34] <buz> i'm sure dd can to that somehow ;)
[02:34] <nikkia> Kitty-Kun: split -b=10M
[02:34] <nikkia> you might want to specify a prefix too
[02:34] <nikkia> and perhaps -d
[02:35] <Kitty-Kun> how do i use that (give me the context)
[02:35] <nikkia> but man split will tell you all
[02:35] <nikkia> Kitty-Kun: split -d -b=10m some_big_file.zip some_big_file.
[02:35] <nikkia> will produce some_big_file.001, some_big_file.002, some_big_file.003 and some_big_file.004
[02:36] <nikkia> sorry, 01, 02, 03, and 04
[02:36] <nikkia> if you want 3 digit extensions, use -a=3 in there too
[02:36] <Kitty-Kun> and then how do i put them back together
[02:36] <nikkia> Kitty-Kun: that's easy :)
[02:37] <Kitty-Kun> Ok, so tell me how it's done
[02:37] <nikkia> 'cat some_big_file.0* > some_big_file.zip
[02:37] <Kitty-Kun> or tar.gz if was originally a tar.gz file, right?
[02:37] <nikkia> yeah, whatever
[02:38] <Kitty-Kun> and how do i make a tar.gz file from a folder from the command line?
[02:38] <nikkia> tar zxvf /tmp/my_files.tar.gz ~/My_Files
[02:38] <nikkia> assuming My_Files is the directory to tar, and its in your home directory
[02:39] <nikkia> erm, sorry
[02:39] <nikkia> tar zcvf /tmp/my_files.tar.gz ~/My_Files
[02:39] <nikkia> c = Create, x = eXtract
[02:40] <PurpleMotion> off the top of your heads, does anyone know how to search for something in limewire and have an EXCLUSION (example, i would like to search for "blonde" without returning anything that contains "xxx"
[02:40] <PurpleMotion> cause im searching for "kid rock trigun cowboy" and I'm GETTING lots of porn
[02:41] <PurpleMotion> a search for "final fantasy silence" reveals a video from a fisting site, three beastiality movies (one involving a dehydrated cat, which i dont understand), and so on and so forth
[02:42] <Kitty-Kun> ok
[02:42] <PurpleMotion> while i like porn, and have a decent ever-growing collection.. when im searching for AMV's, I don't wanna know what some guy did to his 14yo sister (who looks a lot more like thirty-five)
[02:43] <Kitty-Kun> ok, how do i split a file named mew.tar.gz into 10 MB chunks?
[02:45] <Kitty-Kun> what's the command line command to eject a cd?
[02:46] <Kitty-Kun> nvm i figured it out
[02:47] <Kitty-Kun> i meant the split
[02:47] <Kitty-Kun> not how to eject the cd
[02:49] <PurpleMotion> Kitty-Kun: i'd use rar to split the file... i think either tar or gzip or bz2 (I know for sure) can do it, but RAR seems to make the pieces indestructable :D
[02:49] <nik> isnt it jsut eject btw?
[02:49] <PurpleMotion> yes
[02:49] <PurpleMotion> eject to eject the cd
[02:49] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: using the 'split' command is the right answer, rar'ing instead of tar.gz is just a hack
[02:49] <PurpleMotion> eject -t
[02:49] <PurpleMotion> to close it
[02:50] <Kitty-Kun> anything else need to be in the command?
[02:50] <nikkia> Kitty-Kun: either the device path or the mount path
[02:50] <PurpleMotion> nikkia: rar packages in such a way as it seems like files are FAR less likely to be damaged or corrupted during transfer than any other packaging method *I* have seen.. YMMV
[02:50] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: and if they're going to be installed on a system without unrar ?
[02:51] <PurpleMotion> nikkia: you dont need either of those to eject a cd or close the tray as long as you only have one drive :P~
[02:51] <PurpleMotion> who doesnt have unrar?
[02:51] <PurpleMotion> heh
[02:51] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: if you're uploading to a web server that doesn't have rar, and you don't have root permissions, you're going to be SOL with rar
[02:51] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: LOTS of hosting providers' web servers
[02:51] <PurpleMotion> hell, I actually OWN a license to rar up to like 2.21 or something like that
[02:51] <PurpleMotion> nikkia: fair enough
[02:51] <PurpleMotion> yeah if you dont break the file and the upload is web-based you'll be screwed
[02:52] <PurpleMotion> i hate that limit, but its understandable i guess
[02:52] <nikkia> Kitty-Kun: if that IS what you're doing, i'd suggest breaking it into smaller chunks than 10MB
[02:52] <PurpleMotion> yeah like 4 - 6
[02:52] <PurpleMotion> no bigger than 8
[02:52] <nikkia> while 10MB is the limit, i'd be very careful about going 'right to the limit'
[02:53] <Kitty-Kun> no, i'm sending a kernel i configured for my girlfriend to her through gmail
[02:53] <nikkia> Kitty-Kun: then it'll need to be smaller than 10MB
[02:53] <PurpleMotion> gmail is php right?
[02:53] <nikkia> much smaller, in fact, cos the encoding phase will add about 1/3 more
[02:53] <Kitty-Kun> i put it to 10000000 bytes
[02:53] <PurpleMotion> err
[02:53] <Kitty-Kun> so it's a bit smaller
[02:53] <PurpleMotion> nvm
[02:53] <PurpleMotion> im retarded
[02:53] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: its not the php, its the message size limit
[02:53] <PurpleMotion> EYE SOFA KING WE TODD DID
[02:53] <PurpleMotion> nikkia: yah
[02:54] <PurpleMotion> but on web based systems its the php limit heh
[02:54] <nikkia> Kitty-Kun: its probably not going to send if its over about 7MB
[02:54] <Kitty-Kun> it's been sending fine
[02:54] <nikkia> and gmail is annoying, it *quietly* rejects them
[02:54] <nikkia> Kitty-Kun: are they getting received?
[02:54] <Kitty-Kun> ... o... k...
[02:54] <PurpleMotion> ive only seen like 2 email clients worth a shit lately
[02:54] <nikkia> because when i have people send me big files, they go into gmail's trash, without it telling me or them, if its over a certain size
[02:54] <PurpleMotion> kmail is actually nice
[02:54] <PurpleMotion> and i really like thunderbird
[02:55] <PurpleMotion> i hated netscape and mozilla's mail programs
[02:55] <PurpleMotion> but thunderbird is the shiznit
[02:55] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: everyone did :)
[02:55] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: i used to use pine during the netscape era, their mail client was THAT bad
[02:55] <stizoner> lol
[02:55] <PurpleMotion> pine was nice
[02:55] <pointwood> I prefer thunderbird as well
[02:55] <PurpleMotion> i played a mud for about three years
[02:56] <PurpleMotion> and we had no choice
[02:56] <PurpleMotion> inter-server mail was delivered through pine
[02:56] <pointwood> tried using kontact, but it's IMAP is sloooow
[02:56] <PurpleMotion> thank god pico rules the world of editors
[02:56] <PurpleMotion> ubotu, start and editor war
[02:56] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, PurpleMotion
[02:56] <pointwood> furthermore, thunderbirds spamfilter is working nicely
[02:56] <PurpleMotion> ooh, thats a bug
[02:56] <PurpleMotion> !start an editor war
[02:56] <ubotu> jed is better than xemacs
[02:57] <nikkia> that one's not very convincing
[02:57] <PurpleMotion> i get spam, spamassassin sends them back a copy with a nice "no thanks" cover sheet :D
[02:57] <stizoner> i miss my tahoma font!
[02:57] <PurpleMotion> whats not very convincing?
[02:57] <nikkia> jed being better than xemacs
[02:57] <PurpleMotion> yeah jed sucks
[02:58] <PurpleMotion> know what editor i REALLY liked?
[02:58] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: and i get so much spam, i have to use whitelisting, server-side spam filtering *AND* client side
[02:58] <PurpleMotion> i was at home from day one
[02:58] <nikkia> i still see about 10-20 of the 2000+ spams i get sent a day
[02:58] <PurpleMotion> when i started using BSDi/FreeBSD for orion.dal.net, It's default text editor was ee
[02:58] <pointwood> uh oh...whitelisting...
[02:58] <stizoner> i have gotten like 5 spam mails in my whole life, its peoples own fault they get spam
[02:58] <PurpleMotion> nikkia: i have a seperate [email protected]
[02:58] <PurpleMotion> i dont care how bad it gets spammed
[02:59] <stizoner> doing what PurpleMotion just did, if theres a bot in here to catch that... its got it
[02:59] <PurpleMotion> it's just for when some bs site requires an account
[02:59] <nikkia> pointwood: sad thing is, most spam solutions seem to be starting to get around whitelisting
[02:59] <pointwood> stizoner: what's your email addy?
[02:59] <pointwood> :p
[02:59] <stizoner> [email protected]
[02:59] <PurpleMotion> stizoner: like the nick. now, what the hell are you talking about? :D what'd i just do?
[02:59] <pointwood> stizoner: and no, it's just you that haven't got any friends :p
[02:59] <stizoner> i email my online hookers
[03:00] <PurpleMotion> but not many people at all get their hands on [email protected]
[03:00] <pointwood> nikkia: that's pretty impressive
[03:00] <pointwood> the thunderbird spam filter catches almost all the spam I get
[03:00] <seaLne> stizoner: spam is inevitable if you use your email address
[03:00] <PurpleMotion> stizoner
[03:00] <PurpleMotion> dude
[03:00] <PurpleMotion> im stizoned
[03:00] <PurpleMotion> hehehe
[03:00] <nikkia> pointwood: oh, it catches most of what gets thru my server-side stuff
[03:00] <PurpleMotion> (watch it stand for stipple zoner or some shit)
[03:00] <stizoner> no its not, if you read what you signing up for and not check boxes for "special offers" and use fake email when you can get away with it...
[03:01] <nikkia> seaLne: i've been using my email addresses for 10 years, which is why i get so much :(
[03:01] <PurpleMotion> stizoner: except some of them lump all that shit into a TOS and dont give you the OPTION
[03:01] <stizoner> and dont give your email out 2 people who are idiots (if they have a hotmail or yahoo email there automatically)
[03:01] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: and some of them just plain LIE
[03:01] <stizoner> then dont sign up
[03:01] <nikkia> even if you don't sign up for squat, you'll STILL get spammed if you're unlucky
[03:01] <nikkia> for example...
[03:02] <pointwood> yeha
[03:02] <nikkia> i created a obscure username on my domain...
[03:02] <pointwood> * yeah
[03:02] <nikkia> didn't do anything for 3 days, no spam, emailed it once via yahoo, spam rolls in
[03:02] <pointwood> heh
[03:02] <nikkia> yahoo must be selling receipient names from their database
[03:02] <stizoner> if you use yahoo your going 2 get spam
[03:02] <nikkia> stizoner: no, point was, the only thing i did, was email the new account from another, unconnected, yahoo account
[03:03] <PurpleMotion> stizoner: in a day and age where everyone has their own domain, and hosting companies always give you 'unlimited' email acounts, i just opted to create [email protected].. when i sign up to some site, of course i check it, click the activation link, then empty it
[03:03] <nikkia> stizoner: ergo, yahoo must have stored the 'to' address and sold it to spam lists
[03:03] <pointwood> that's pretty low of yahoo :( hadn't expected them to sink that low :(
[03:03] <PurpleMotion> I've received about 15 total pieces of spam to [email protected]
[03:03] <nikkia> stizoner: ergo, even if you're careful, if one of your friends uses yahoo, you're going to get spammed when your friend emails you, then yahoo sells your email address
[03:03] <PurpleMotion> yah yahoo makes no illusions.. you use their free service, you WILL be solicited while you're on it.
[03:04] <PurpleMotion> a good number of the bots you see on yahoo are actually AUTHORIZED from yahoo.. i.e. they PAID for the right to spam chat rooms
[03:04] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: but... the recipient of a yahoo user's email has made no contract with yahoo, what right do they have to sell that email address?
[03:04] <PurpleMotion> they dont
[03:04] <PurpleMotion> and i find it real hard to believe yahoo does that
[03:04] <PurpleMotion> real hard
[03:04] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: there's a big distinction between you using an email to sign up with yahoo, and some yahoo user just emailing YOU
[03:05] <PurpleMotion> i had to work pretty closely with some yahoo TOS/AUp people
[03:05] <stizoner> its not free free it cost something, spam...
[03:05] <PurpleMotion> and i find it extremely difficult to believe that yahoo takes the emails of people you send email to and get email from and uses them for further solicitation
[03:05] <nikkia> the experiment i did was about 20-22 months ago, so perhaps yahoo has cleaned up, but i doubt it
[03:06] <PurpleMotion> in fact, im gonna have to go ahead and say you gotta prove that one to me
[03:06] <stizoner> some viruses catch every email adress on somebodys computer so when they send you an email you get spam after
[03:06] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: try it yourself, create an email address that is obscure, then use an unconnected yahoo account to email it
[03:06] <nikkia> wait a couple of days, and the spam will start
[03:06] <PurpleMotion> i worked with them on our project about a year and a half ago
[03:06] <PurpleMotion> to which account?
[03:07] <PurpleMotion> the one you mailed from or the one you just created
[03:07] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: the account you created
[03:07] <nikkia> ie, the recipient of the test mail
[03:08] <PurpleMotion> nikkia: yahoo's advertisers (the people who spam you) get a daily updated list of every single yahoo member sorted by vital account statistics (last seen online being the main one)
[03:08] <PurpleMotion> the spam starts because the spammers have added you to their lists
[03:08] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: erm, no, you're missing the point
[03:09] <PurpleMotion> this list is also not very heavily guarded... there's a room on Undernet where they do NOTHING but share the daily updated list daily ;)
[03:09] <nikkia> the point wasn't that the yahoo account got spammed, but that the account that was non-yahoo, that was only ever mailed ONCE from a yahoo account, suddenly started receiving spam after being mailed from a yahoo account
[03:09] <PurpleMotion> ah
[03:09] <PurpleMotion> i misread you then
[03:09] <PurpleMotion> i should try that
[03:09] <nikkia> PurpleMotion: as i said, they MIGHT have cleaned up, but i doubt it
[03:10] <PurpleMotion> i should send an email from [email protected] to [email protected]
[03:10] <PurpleMotion> and see what happens
[03:10] <PurpleMotion> nikkia: i just cant see them doing something like that
[03:10] <PurpleMotion> *shrug*
[03:10] <stizoner> say your email 20 more times, lol
[03:11] <stizoner> jk lol
[03:13] <stizoner> after i ever finish setting up this thing im so making a disk image, no way im every going through all those sudo this and sudo that commands
[03:13] <stizoner> again*
[03:14] <jpatrick> then do sudo -i
[03:15] <nik> is there any place in kubuntu where it jsut says a long list of network settings so i can compare them to xp
[03:15] <stizoner> lol
[03:15] <stizoner> your missing the point
[03:15] <stizoner> no way i remembered or wrote down or enjoyed any of it, nor do i still messing with crap
[03:16] <stizoner> god forbid a gui and mouse
[03:16] <stizoner> evil
[03:16] <stizoner> problem is its not 'geeky' enough
[03:16] <stizoner> not geek cool
[03:17] <stizoner> till that changes bill will be rolling in piles of money while laughing at the poor geeks and there uber cool consol comands
[03:18] <nik> where in kubuntu can i find a long list of very possible network setting
[03:18] <stizoner> k /end rant
[03:18] <stizoner> lol
[03:18] <stizoner> control center
[03:19] <nik> ya but is there a way to jsut list alt he settings in one place
[03:19] <nik> and not go to one place to find oen thign to another for the next
[03:27] <nik> im tryign to run control center in administrator mode but every time i type my password it jsut refreshes into normal non administrator mode
[03:29] <nik> anybody here?
[03:31] <jpatrick> yeah
[03:34] <nik> hi
[03:34] <nik> the administrator mode doesnt work in control center
[03:35] <nik> whats its real name
[03:35] <nik> kontrocenter or kcontrolcenter or sumtin?
[03:35] <nik> i wanan try to run it in sudo
[03:36] <jpatrick> do kdesu kcontrol in Run command
[03:43] <pl_ice> borin'
[03:43] <stizoner> ever since i upgraded to i686 smp kernel kde stuff has been crashing left and right
[03:48] <jpatrick> What does the smp have that the others don't?
[03:49] <paines> hi
[03:49] <seaLne> grr breezy did something nasty to my dual head matrox card its displaying the same thing on both heads :(
[03:51] <mornfall> xorg upgrades rock, don't they :)
[03:51] <mornfall> you never know what happens
[03:51] <buz> tho they arent quite as cool as the preview to final kubuntu upgrade that shredded all kde settings
[03:51] <seaLne> i vaguely remember using some matrox utility when i originaly setup debian
[03:52] <paines> is there bugs page for breezy ?
[03:52] <seaLne> mornfall: it wasn't just the ugrade, afaik the card must have been reset or something to have changed
[03:53] <pl_ice> when is the date for new ubunt? can't remember...
[03:53] <seaLne> 10/10
[03:53] <mornfall> seaLne: well, my matrox card went all wonky after xorg install
[03:53] <mornfall> seaLne: had to cold-reboot to get it work
[03:53] <mornfall> properly
[03:53] <pl_ice> :]
[03:53] <gdh> mornfall: howdy :)
[03:53] <mornfall> gdh: hey :)
[03:53] <seaLne> mornfall: worth a try rather than trying to find the matrox tool :)
[03:53] <gdh> breezy made me have to run dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver - it otherwise complained there was no keyboard (?!)
[03:54] <gdh> weird shit, but there you go.
[03:55] <gdh> mornfall: adept needs a lot more in the way of user feedback :)
[03:55] <mornfall> gdh: what user feedback? :)
[03:56] <seaLne> bah nope still mirrored
[03:56] <pl_ice> c ya later
[03:57] <mornfall> gdh: got it running?
[03:57] <gdh> mornfall: er, how do you get it to actually install a new package? I right click on e.g. aa3d, select 'install-package' .. then press 'Apply'
[03:57] <gdh> mornfall: and all that happens is state: "" appears in the filter list
[03:57] <mornfall> gdh: erk! :-)
[03:57] <mornfall> gdh: that apply is for a filter
[03:58] <gdh> mornfall: It's not terribly intuitive as to what anything does :/
[03:58] <mornfall> gdh: i will make it more obvious that the left hand pane is for filtering...
[03:58] <gdh> cool
[03:58] <mornfall> and i'll make it "apply filter" the text on a button i guess
[03:59] <gdh> so how do I actually get it to install a package?
[03:59] <gdh> I guess safe upgrade is 'apt-get upgrade' and full upgrade is 'apt-get dist-upgrade' ?
[03:59] <mornfall> gdh: there is a big toolbar thingy "Commit Changes" in there... you really should be using text-under-icons on toolbars
[03:59] <mornfall> gdh: guessing right
[04:00] <seaLne> hmm weird installing kde-devel wants to remove kubuntu-desktop
[04:00] <gdh> mornfall: Ah! the 'commit changes' icon is a grey tick-mark - it looks like it's greyed out -> unclickable
[04:00] <gdh> but yes it does work :)
[04:00] <mornfall> gdh: that's fault of your icon theme :p
[04:00] <mornfall> it's green here
[04:01] <mornfall> and it has text stating "Commit Changes" under it
[04:01] <gdh> I don't show the text :)
[04:01] <mornfall> adept is really designed to have text under the icons
[04:01] <mornfall> i don't do the overcrowded-toolbar thing
[04:02] <mornfall> that's why there's no safe upgrade in the toolbar either...
[04:02] <mornfall> it'll get "preview changes" button
[04:02] <mornfall> and that is probably about it
[04:02] <mornfall> maybe undo/redo will go there
[04:02] <gdh> mornfall: Pressing 'Full Upgrade' does nothing - if there truly are no updates to receive, maybe tell the user that?
[04:02] <mornfall> but i am not sure yet
[04:02] <mornfall> gdh: it marks all the upgradable packages for upgrade
[04:03] <mornfall> gdh: maybe i'll make it switch to preview mode?
[04:03] <gdh> Ah, I see ... yeh pressing Commit changes actually retrieves the updates... again not obvious with a package list thousands of lines long :)
[04:03] <mornfall> gdh: i'd hate to pop up a dialog with "x packages marked for upgrade, etc"
[04:03] <mornfall> dialogs are evil
[04:04] <gdh> I agree - but how about a status bar then with a summary of what will happen in 'commit changes' ? showing the number of new packages to install / upgrade / delete?
[04:04] <mornfall> gdh: as i say, the reasonable option would be probably to switch to preview changes mode (which isn't implemented just yet)
[04:04] <mornfall> yes, statusbar...
[04:04] <mornfall> could do :)
[04:05] <mornfall> gdh: i'm wondering if someone ever finds out that the arrow on the left in the package list is clickable ;-)
[04:05] <mornfall> ideas how to make that obvious? (i don't have any...)
[04:05] <mornfall> maybe hint that in a tooltip or something
[04:06] <gdh> mornfall: funny- I just found that by accident :)
[04:06] <gdh> Perhaps use the [+] icon as a tree list since people are more familiar with that?
[04:06] <mornfall> gdh: many styles use an arrow nowadays
[04:06] <gdh> I have a blue 'play' icon like from a music player - again dunno if that's whatever theme I have
[04:07] <gdh> mornfall: I'm thinking newbies coming from Windows, really.
[04:08] <gdh> mornfall: or how about a 'More information' in the context menu for each package rather than just the 'install-package' option?
[04:08] <gdh> so More Information would do the same as clicking the Play icon.
[04:08] <mornfall> gdh: you are one big play icon :p
[04:09] <mornfall> gdh: and install-package is internal name, that's "not yet fixed"
[04:09] <gdh> I think that's a compliment :)
[04:09] <mornfall> gdh: http://web.ekhis.org/adept-icons.png
[04:10] <mornfall> i guess i will have to package the nuvola icons with adept
[04:10] <mornfall> they are just so much better
[04:11] <gdh> hm that is rather pleasant
[04:12] <mornfall> and i need riddell to make text-below-icons default, with a normal-1 sized font
[04:12] <mornfall> and uncrowd the toolbars in other apps :)
[04:12] <mornfall> ah btw, the buttons in the extender don't work yet ;-)
[04:13] <gdh> I prefer no text due to to a smallish screen .. (1024x768)
[04:13] <gdh> for busy toolbars in complex apps, there's just no space for it
[04:13] <mornfall> right, that's why the toolbars need to be fixed
[04:14] <gdh> ha nice, it segfaulted when I exited.
[04:14] <mornfall> there should only be one toolbar and only ~7 buttons on it
[04:14] <mornfall> gdh: bah!
[04:14] <mornfall> gdh: stacktrace?
[04:14] <gdh> I have the info from the backtrace if you're interested?
[04:14] <mornfall> gdh: rafb.net/paste please
[04:14] <gdh> heh http://pastebin.ca/20631
[04:14] <gdh> was already in the process of pasting :)
[04:14] <mornfall> or whatever :)
[04:15] <mornfall> gdh: ah yeah extenders
[04:15] <mornfall> gdh: they aren't handled extremely well yet :-)
[04:15] <gdh> ah no worries then
[04:16] <seaLne> is there a big change currently with xorg moving to mesa?
[04:17] <seaLne> kde-devel depends on libgl1-mesa yet kubuntu-desktop depends libgl1-xorg
[04:19] <mornfall> crashes => no good
[04:20] <mornfall> this is what you get when you end the app with ctrl+c from controlling terminal ;)
[04:42] <Bags> Hi room.
[04:42] <ray_> hello
[04:43] <ray_> how would i go about changing the default movie player in konqeror?
[04:43] <Bags> Got a G3 Lombard laptop and I can't get the OS to charge the Battery or to enable the standby mode.
[04:43] <stizoner> sounds like a fancy car
[04:44] <Bags> stizoner: It's the most asthetically beautiful laptop ever made IMHO...
[04:44] <ray_> Bags: did you try the laptop settings in kcontrol
[04:45] <Bags> ray_: I certainly did, but the APM Config Setup Helper Application seems to do nothing.
[04:46] <Bags> ray_: I log in with my root pswd and then nothing happens.
[04:46] <ray_> Bags: well did you set up a root account
[04:46] <ray_> Bags: you should really never log in as root
[04:47] <Bags> ray_: I'm sorry, what I mean is that when I click the APM Config Setup Helper Application, it asks for the root pswd to continue, I enter it, and then nothing happens.
[04:48] <Bags> ray_: I'll check the bugs lists and do some googling.
[04:49] <Bags> ray_: See what I can find out about it.
[04:49] <ray_> Bags: in the terminal type kdesu kcontrol
[04:49] <Bags> ray_: As usr?
[04:49] <stizoner> #ubuntu= buncha gnome nazis
[04:50] <Kitty-Kun> :P
[04:50] <Kitty-Kun> which will run better on a 500MHz processor: GNOME or KDE?
[04:50] <stizoner> xfce
[04:50] <stizoner> lol
[04:50] <ray_> Kitty-Kun: yeah xfce is nice
[04:50] <Kitty-Kun> ok
[04:50] <Kitty-Kun> is it available as a package for kubuntu?
[04:51] <ray_> Kitty-Kun: yeah it is called xfce4
[04:51] <ray_> how would i go about changing the default movie player in konqeror?
[04:51] <stizoner> looks wise its my fav, features wise it leaves something 2 be desired
[04:51] <ray_> Bags: yes as a your normal account
[04:52] <Bags> ray_: Same problem.
[04:52] <ray_> Bags: whats the problem again?
[04:53] <Bags> ray_: The battery is not being charged, Enable Standby and Enable Suspend are disabled.
[04:53] <Bags> ray_: These two options are greyed out.
[04:53] <ray_> Bags: and even when you go in there with kdesu it doesnt let you enable it?
[04:53] <Bags> ray_: The Battery is sitting there doing nothing.
[04:54] <Bags> ray_: Yes, that's right. Almost as if the modules aren't running.
[04:55] <ray_> Bags: make sure you have the package klaptopdaemon
[04:55] <seaLne> Bags: have you upgraded kde? see /topic
[04:55] <seaLne> there were bugs in kcontrol
[04:57] <ray_> yeah 3.4.2 is much nicer
[04:58] <Bags> Thanks guys. I've got it downloading the updates. I'll let you know how I go.
[04:58] <Bags> time for bed, though.
[04:59] <Bags> it's 1:00am here...
[05:07] <nik> is there a command or program taht displays every system information in particular network settings in a list
[05:08] <jpatrick> Anyone know how I can format a floppy from the command line? (KFloppy doesn't want to work)
[05:10] <nik> http://linux.about.com/od/commands/l/blcmdl8_floppy.htm
[05:20] <nikkia> gah, the cpanel installer has to be the worst script ever written
[05:24] <nikkia> it has like 100 hosts in its mirrors list, and tries each in turn, using wget --timeout=500 to do a ping test, unfortunately, most of the sites are just dead, and dropping packets, so each time it tries to access those, it sits for 500 seconds until the timeout occurs
[05:24] <nikkia> problem is, of the 10 gazillion packages it downloads, it tries the whole mirror list for each
[05:33] <ray_> how would i go about changing the default movie player in konqeror?
[05:34] <copernic> anyone running breezy here?
[05:34] <copernic> I am planning to upgrade, wanted to ask if there are any surprises...
[05:34] <ray_> why upgrade?
[05:40] <copernic> ray_: I need latest ruby packages
[05:41] <ray_> cant you get them for hoary
[05:41] <copernic> nope, the ones in hoary are scewed up
[05:42] <copernic> and there are no backports
[05:43] <ray_> what about the source
[05:44] <ray_> i mean you can try breezy but i heard stuff is still broken
[05:44] <copernic> I see, which stuff generally?
[05:45] <stizoner> stuff plenty broken in the release but im sure its mostly stuff out of there control
[05:45] <stizoner> kde.. other apps.. stuff
[05:45] <ray_> i think even xorg is broken
[05:46] <copernic> oups :)
[05:46] <stizoner> ive done plenty of bitchin the last week about linux/kubuntu (plenty of reason 2) but im releaved in a way. becasuse...
[05:46] <ray_> ?
[05:48] <ray_> because.........?
[05:48] <stizoner> the issue of using linux over windows really has nothing 2 do with the OS itself for me its the morals of the whole thing, paying min $80 for a disc you can only use on one pc is wrong, its like saying i buy a cd and use it in my car.. thats the only place i can use it, i like the idea of free 2, not just because of $ but freedom in general, freedom is a good thing for humanity
[05:49] <EasterSunshine> stizoner: agreed. when i saw the frontpage of ubuntulinux.org i was like, omg i am downloading this distro from these nice awesome ppl
[05:49] <ray_> everything works great for me in linux.....there is not one thing that i can do in windows that i cant do in linux........except for shockwave
[05:50] <stizoner> yeah i read the interview with the guy behind all this on slashdot i think it was... seemed big about the freedom of it all more then any sort of $ goal
[05:51] <ray_> i meant can do in linux
[05:51] <ray_> came out wrong
[05:51] <ray_> naw he doesnt want money
[05:51] <copernic> ray_: I still think there are annoyances
[05:51] <ray_> i hate the idea of distros that you have to pay for
[05:51] <ray_> copernic: like?
[05:52] <copernic> like kde flickering, and konqueror redrawing pages
[05:52] <copernic> these are small things but still many find it ugly
[05:52] <ray_> hmm.......i dont have that problem
[05:52] <EasterSunshine> copernic: yes...i have that problem too...but i couldn't care less
[05:52] <stizoner> i dont mind the idea of payin for one as long as it has a free version to, like the way redhat does it
[05:52] <ray_> blah
[05:53] <EasterSunshine> what would be soo good about an enterprise linux that we should pay for it? support that comes with?
[05:53] <EasterSunshine> software?
[05:53] <ray_> i guess
[05:53] <copernic> ray_: your apps don't flicker when you switch tabs?
[05:53] <ray_> copernic: nope
[05:54] <stizoner> but far as the particular linux distro of choice for me it was all about having kde and debian apt-get distro with decent repositorys
[05:54] <copernic> ray_: sorry, cannot believe it, it has been there for every kde release on every distro I've tried
[05:54] <ray_> i am using the fglrx drivers.......maybe that makes a difference?
[05:54] <stizoner> oh and debian itself i tried and it was slower then death, not that kubuntu is fast its no fedora or slackware, those are the 2 fastest ive tried
[05:55] <EasterSunshine> copernic: same here...do you have the problem that konqueror draws webpages slowly and has to be restarted about every 48 hours because it starts to freeze up?
[05:55] <ray_> fedora fast? are you on crack
[05:55] <ray_> rpm distros are the slowest out there
[05:55] <EasterSunshine> i thought kubuntu was really fast
[05:55] <copernic> EasterSunshine: well, I haven't used konqueror for that long time :)
[05:55] <ray_> kubuntu is ten times faster than fedora for me
[05:56] <EasterSunshine> copernic: i think its like one of those bugs that goes unnoticed, and i have it too
[05:56] <copernic> EasterSunshine: it does not have anything to do with distros
[05:56] <copernic> ray_: actually that feel of "slowness" have put many friends of mine from even trying linux
[05:56] <stizoner> konqueror is horrid, and firefox from the distros wasnt much better, im fairly keen to tweaking firefox because i did in windows, so i got i686 release and installed it and tweaked it myself, drastic difference
[05:56] <copernic> I don't want them to try Gnome because that one is even slower
[05:57] <stizoner> from the repositorys*
[05:57] <ray_> copernic: not me.......my linux boots faster than windows and runs faster than windows hands down
[05:57] <copernic> ray: what's your hardware?
[05:57] <ray_> brb
[05:57] <stizoner> you must have a really messed up windows then, but ive worked at tweakin it (from what i can figure out) and its almost as fast as windows
[05:58] <stizoner> my setup
[05:58] <stizoner> p4 2.8, 1024mb...
[06:00] <EasterSunshine> firefox is a very lightweight browser it seems, i want something really really heavyweight with local filesystem browsing as well and maybe an intergrated konsole, konversation, kopete, and a whole bunch of other unrealistic things
[06:00] <stizoner> lol
[06:01] <EasterSunshine> ugh you guys and your kick-ass comps...i have p3 400 with 256 rams here
[06:01] <stizoner> good god
[06:01] <copernic> I have p4 1.7 512 rams
[06:01] <EasterSunshine> this is my better comp...and stop copying me term "rams"
[06:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. i have a 8086
[06:01] <stizoner> they well nice linux systems at walmart.com for $199
[06:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> just not using it :P
[06:01] <copernic> EasterSunshine: and you're running firefox on that animal?
[06:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> copernic: people run firefox on p1 200 with 96m RAM...
[06:02] <EasterSunshine> copernic: no, i am running konqueror, koversation, smb server, apache2, postfix, and a whole bunch of other servers
[06:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> i know, i gavve them the bocx
[06:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> *box
[06:02] <copernic> Kamping_Kaiser: God help them
[06:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> meh, they get it free
[06:02] <EasterSunshine> sometimes when i put my foot inside my box, it freezes
[06:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> but yeh, hope the y are patient
[06:03] <copernic> EasterSunshine: I have the same
[06:03] <nikkia> EasterSunshine: erm, firefox does local filesystem browsing
[06:03] <nikkia> it even does smb browsing, but sadly, thats a windows only feature atm
[06:03] <copernic> EasterSunshine: it's the power cables that lead to hard drive I suppose
[06:03] <taw> hello
[06:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi taw
[06:03] <EasterSunshine> nikkia: browsing, but not really the same konqeuror does it, its like text-based
[06:03] <taw> how do i configure webmin to work with kubuntu ?
[06:03] <taw> there's no root passwd, y'know ;-)
[06:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> dunno. I'll pass you on :)
[06:03] <copernic> taw: create a root account for 5 minutes
[06:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> and go to bed :)
[06:04] <taw> copernic: ... and ?
[06:04] <stizoner> i yelled enough in #ubuntu frustrated and someone help me setup root
[06:04] <copernic> and create a password for root
[06:04] <copernic> then login
[06:04] <taw> yeah, but webmin seems to have own passwd system
[06:05] <taw> i can't login to webmin with my root passwd
[06:05] <nikkia> taw, i consider that a bug in the webmin setup scripts, tbh, yes, webmin DOES need a root password set, at least until you create a safer admin account ('root' as the webmin admin is considered a security hole, as its easy to dictionary attack, especially since everyone leaves it as the default 'root' on port 10000 :)
[06:05] <copernic> nope, just normal root username and password
[06:05] <stizoner> i prefer if i have to do something needs root privy id rather login as root then learn commands
[06:05] <stizoner> people say "oh just type this..." no way ill ever remember commands
[06:05] <stizoner> lol
[06:05] <nikkia> stizoner: then don't ask us to help when you're PC has had a root kit attack :P
[06:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> night all
[06:06] <nikkia> s/you're/your'
[06:06] <copernic> see ya
[06:06] <nikkia> gah, ykwim
[06:06] <taw> nikkia: bug or not, how do i work around it ?
[06:06] <stizoner> i login as root and log back out, its actually safer then sudo i think, because sudo is based on a timer
[06:06] <copernic> taw: sudo passwd root
[06:06] <stizoner> right?
[06:07] <nikkia> taw, you have to create a root account, using sudo passwd root, THEN dpkg-reconfigure webmin
[06:07] <stizoner> so something i might do takes 20 seconds... how long does sudo log you in for?
[06:07] <copernic> taw: after you're done with logging into webmin, create a new webmin superuser
[06:07] <stizoner> im just guessing here
[06:07] <nikkia> taw, then log on, and create a new admin account in webmin, and delete 'root', then sudo passwd -d and sudo passwd -l to remove root's passwd
[06:07] <copernic> at last disable root with sudo passwd -l root
[06:08] <nikkia> stizoner: its configurable
[06:08] <copernic> LOL nikkia :)
[06:08] <taw> nikkia: i did exactly that, but it still doesn't work
[06:08] <nikkia> taw, did you dpkg-reconfigure it ?
[06:08] <nikkia> taw, if you don't, it will still see the old root passwd
[06:08] <nikkia> ie, something untypable
[06:08] <taw> # dpkg-reconfigure webmin
[06:08] <taw> Stopping webmin: webmin.
[06:08] <taw> You already have /etc/webmin/miniserv.pem
[06:08] <taw> Starting webmin: webmin.
[06:08] <taw> then ... Login failed. Please try again.
[06:09] <nikkia> taw, hmmm, i'd remove webmin, purge it, and reinstall
[06:09] <nikkia> it looks like its not actually reconfiguring it - it should pop up some dialogs, as i remember it
[06:09] <taw> it did ask me to press ok twice
[06:09] <taw> but it seems it didn't change anything
[06:10] <nikkia> taw, ok, uninstall it
[06:10] <nikkia> then dpkg --purge webmin (i think)
[06:11] <taw> oh, purging trick worked
[06:13] <nikkia> personally, i'd suggest changing the default webmin port to something else too
[06:13] <nikkia> webmin has far too much control to leave the defaults alone :)
[06:14] <taw> right, now let's configure mysql ...
[06:14] <taw> why doesn't the installer ask me for the passwd anyway
[06:17] <sforwk> Hi. I just installed Kubuntu 5.04 on an HP nc8230. After some effort, everything is working except sound.
[06:18] <sforwk> Sound work at KDE startup, then no sound from anything. No system sound, no CD sounds.
[06:18] <sforwk> Any idea how to solve this? Thanks.
[06:18] <taw> damn, the webmin-mysql module does not work
[06:20] <taw> why does it require a password anyway, postgresql known when i'm connecting from root account
[06:26] <_frank> taw did you manage to login to webmin at all?
[06:26] <_frank> taw have to activate the root account to install webmin
[06:26] <taw> _frank: yeah
[06:27] <taw> _frank: mysql and postgresql tabs don't work
[06:27] <_frank> taw did root have a password when you installed webmin/
[06:28] <taw> _frank: yeah i set root passwd, purged webmin and reinstalled it
[06:28] <_frank> ok... then I don't know
[06:33] <sforwk> Can anyone here help with sound on kubuntu 5.04?
[06:33] <albert> make-kpkg --revision=1 --append-to-version=mykernel kernel_image kernel_headers
[06:39] <_frank> sforwk: sound problems are anoying... try the forums for help. and if you see crimsun in the IRC channel, ask him. He's the expert
[06:43] <sforwk> Thanks Frank. I'm heading there now.
[06:52] <nightmaster> is there a way for x to autoprobe for devices plz
[06:54] <apprentice> is there a way for x to autoprobe for devices plz
[07:03] <taw> weird
[07:03] <taw> i had to tell webmin-mysql that all mysql binaries are in /usr/bin/mysqlwhatever, or else it wouldn't work
[07:04] <taw> it's in the $PATH and it worked perfectly in debian
[07:12] <wincide> hi , i obtained this error from a compilation configure: error: stdc++ library not found, i'd like to install a library, but there are too many referred to this, which one is better? ??
[07:15] <_frank> wincide: you need some -dev package
[07:15] <wincide> now i'm installing libstdc++6-4.0-dev
[07:16] <wincide> i don't know if this is what i need .. but i'm gonna test :)
[07:17] <_frank> install 6 instead of 6.4
[07:17] <ray_> ok im back
[07:17] <_frank> because its the only one in main, it's prbably the more "basic" one
[07:17] <wincide> _frank, ok. i've installed 6.4 and doesn't go :(
[07:17] <ray_> 6.4?
[07:17] <hugo_> hi @all
[07:18] <ray_> hello
[07:18] <hugo_> can i ask you a real newbie question? :-)
[07:19] <hugo_> i'm new to linux
[07:20] <ray_> sure go ahead
[07:20] <hugo_> i want to download an install : Ubuntu Linux 5.10 Colony 3 Development Release. Can i update to the "final" release, when it is published?
[07:20] <ray_> i think so
[07:21] <_frank> hugo_: if you're new to linux, stick with stable versions
[07:21] <ray_> _frank: i think its a game
[07:21] <ray_> _frank: with no stable version
[07:21] <hugo_> yes, i know......but ubuntu 5.04 has big problems with my Geforce 6200 Go
[07:22] <hugo_> i just want to try, if it gets better with 5.10
[07:22] <hugo_> excuse my bad english.......i am from austria
[07:23] <hugo_> so.....what would you suggest?
[07:23] <_frank> well you can try... you could also install the drivers directly from nvidia in 5.04
[07:24] <hugo_> i tried.....but it failed....at least with NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7676-pkg1.run
[07:24] <ray_> i dont think upgrading is gonna help
[07:25] <hugo_> hm.....ok
[07:25] <hugo_> then i'll let it be
[07:26] <hugo_> thnx a lot for your help
[07:27] <hugo_> i've to leave now.......dinner is waiting :-)
[07:27] <_frank> hugo_: you need the kernel headers
[07:27] <hugo_> oh....
[07:27] <hugo_> what does that mean?
[07:29] <_frank> to install the nvidia drivers, you need kernel headers. open synaptic and install linux-headers-686 (or -k7 or -386)
[07:29] <hugo_> ok.....i'll try
[07:29] <_frank> actually in kubuntu use kynaptic but synaptic is better
[07:30] <_frank> oh and uninstall the ubuntu nvdia drivers before you install the new ones
[07:30] <matthew> konqueror as a web browser has been the only real letdown with kde / kubuntu., back to firefox:D
[07:30] <_frank> do a "completely uninstall" not just a "uninstall"
[07:30] <hugo_> how do i make the "cpmlete uninstall"?
[07:32] <hugo_> so.........i'm downloading the kernerl headers :-9
[07:34] <_frank> umm install synaptic to do the completely uninstall... hope you have a fast connection because synaptic will take alot of dependencies
[07:35] <matthew> when you install kubuntu, you change what resolutions you want to allow, how do you change that later?
[07:35] <hugo_> have dsl ......so not so bad
[07:37] <hugo_> and what should i do, when i downloaded and installed synaptic?
[07:37] <hugo_> synaptic
[07:38] <_frank> use to completely uninstall nvdia-glx
[07:39] <_frank> !nvidia
[07:39] <ubotu> well, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or quick optimizations https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia?highlight=%28nvidia%29
[07:40] <hugo_> thanx a lot
[07:40] <hugo_> :-)
[09:07] <apmcavoy> I just installed Kubuntu, how do I run it?
[09:07] <apmcavoy> I am new
[09:07] <Tm_T> uh
[09:07] <Tm_T> you are running it propably then
[09:08] <apmcavoy> well, i did "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" and it installed, and nothign happened
[09:08] <Tm_T> oh
[09:09] <Tm_T> log out -> change session type -> login to KDE
[09:09] <apmcavoy> ok hold on
[09:10] <jblu> are there ppc users here?
[09:10] <Tm_T> what I should hold?
[09:11] <spiral> Tm_T: are you laughing ?
[09:11] <Tm_T> spiral: try to guess xD
[09:12] <spiral> Tm_T: dunno... you might not have been really good in english...
[09:12] <spiral> Tm_T: ;-)
[09:12] <Tm_T> uhm, maybe I should hold my pants on
[09:12] <Tm_T> ;p
[09:12] <spiral> Tm_T: ^^
[09:18] <arcanistherogue> Hey, my computer keeps freezing when I play games. It shouldn't, I have enough power to play them . I have an nvidia 6600 and an AMD 3000+ 64 bit, but when I play like Nexuiz or Neverball my computer freezes after about a minute of playing.
[09:18] <arcanistherogue> why is this happening? and how do i stop it from happening? all I am running is the game and KDE
[09:19] <Tm_T> humm, and how much memory you have? swap?
[09:19] <Tm_T> +do
[09:19] <arcanistherogue> RAM: 512 MB, swap partition 1.5 GB
[09:19] <Tm_T> ok
[09:20] <Tm_T> good enough
[09:20] <gdh> I wonder if it'd do the same if you just run 'cpuburn' for a few minutes?
[09:20] <arcanistherogue> i dunno?
[09:20] <arcanistherogue> lemm try that that
[09:20] <arcanistherogue> is it because I use KDE?
[09:20] <arcanistherogue> my friend said it is horrible forgaming
[09:20] <arcanistherogue> because its a CPU power whore
[09:21] <arcanistherogue> eh it couldnt find cpuburn
[09:21] <Tm_T> maybe your processor is overheating
[09:21] <arcanistherogue> mebbe...
[09:21] <gdh> arcanistherogue: You will need to install it :)
[09:21] <arcanistherogue> it happens on Windows too
[09:21] <arcanistherogue> gdh: I assumed as much :D
[09:21] <gdh> ah, sounds like a cooling problem then... are you overclocking?
[09:21] <arcanistherogue> nope
[09:21] <Tm_T> I can smell it... smoke! <3
[09:21] <arcanistherogue> I have like 8 fans too <_<
[09:21] <gdh> Is there the opportunity to underclock ?
[09:21] <arcanistherogue> and an air conditioner running O-o
[09:22] <arcanistherogue> gdh: why on earth would i want to do that O_o
[09:22] <Tm_T> arcanistherogue: KDE doesn't take much cpu power
[09:22] <gdh> try removing some RAM, swap RAM around...
[09:22] <gdh> arcanistherogue: To test the theory. :)
[09:22] <arcanistherogue> I only have one Stick
[09:22] <arcanistherogue> the 512 MB
[09:22] <arcanistherogue> and I don't have any spare DDR sticks
[09:23] <arcanistherogue> is it because of this CPU monitor i put up?
[09:23] <gdh> unfortunate. :/
[09:23] <arcanistherogue> i put it in my taskbar, and it keeps on coming back at bootup. I don't know how to turn it off O_o
[09:23] <gdh> No, if your computer freezes in both Windows and Linux in period of high CPU use, that's a hardware fault.
[09:23] <Tm_T> arcanistherogue: to drop heat down
[09:24] <arcanistherogue> is there a heat monitor I could get? like SpeedFan for linux?
[09:24] <gdh> yeh you'll want the 'lm-sensors' stuff and fun probing hardware
[09:25] <gdh> I've never used it for anything other than tinkering around
[09:25] <gdh> and that was many years ago
[09:25] <arcanistherogue> hmm
[09:25] <arcanistherogue> ah, i think it might be the apache server
[09:25] <arcanistherogue> i dont use it much anyways
[09:26] <gdh> nah, no userspace code can crash the machine in normal conditions
[09:26] <gdh> anyway, do you use Apache on windows?
[09:26] <arcanistherogue> nope
[09:26] <arcanistherogue> holy ****, there is a process using 78.7 CPU power
[09:27] <arcanistherogue> it says that when i did ps uax
[09:27] <gdh> probably a crashed kaffeine :)
[09:27] <Tm_T> haha
[09:27] <arcanistherogue> I don't use Kaffeine, I use JuK <_<
[09:27] <arcanistherogue> root 7521 78.7 0.2 3616 1036 ? R 15:21 3:04 whiptail --backtitle Ubunt
[09:27] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> I hope Kaffeine is fixed in Breezy
[09:27] <Tm_T> amaroK <3
[09:27] <gdh> It has a great feature of not playing anything but just sitting hidden in the background sucking your machine's will to live
[09:28] <arcanistherogue> so, hsould I apt-get remove kaffeine? I don't use it at all
[09:28] <gdh> arcanistherogue: you can if you like
[09:29] <arcanistherogue> hmmm... this is odd... I get an error when i use apt-get, and kynaptic wont load... lemme try synaptic
[09:30] <gdh> maybe if we see the error we can help? :)
[09:30] <arcanistherogue> odd, i get the same error in synptic. something about not being able to lock the download directory
[09:31] <gdh> k that makes sense
[09:31] <gdh> whiptail is used for the dpkg Dialog system
[09:31] <gdh> you must have a apt-get sesesion running on another konsole / console screen
[09:31] <arcanistherogue> hmmm
[09:31] <arcanistherogue> thats odd
[09:31] <arcanistherogue> hold on a sec
[09:32] <arcanistherogue> nope, no consoles open and ctrl-alt f1-6 are not logged in
[09:33] <arcanistherogue> lemme reboot...
[09:33] <gdh> wait
[09:33] <gdh> bah :)
[09:33] <gdh> bloody windows mantra..
[09:34] <Tm_T> !
[09:34] <ubotu> Tm_T: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[09:34] <Tm_T> reboot xD
[09:34] <Tm_T> ubotu: shut up
[09:34] <ubotu> Tm_T: Are you smoking crack?
[09:35] <Tm_T> always
[09:35] <arcanistherogue> nice, its working now
[09:36] <arcanistherogue> and that huge process is gone too
[09:36] <gdh> rebooting is incredible overkill :) could've just killed the offending processes..
[09:36] <arcanistherogue> gdh: <_< but i like overkill. I'm the dude who has 8 fans in his case >_>
[09:37] <arcanistherogue> yet still has problems with overheating >_<
[09:37] <gdh> the irony is delicious :)
[09:37] <arcanistherogue> well, my friend says it is because the advantage a fan gives is less after you add more than three, because they make more heat then they cool. but i think hes full of bologna <_<
[09:37] <Tm_T> haha
[09:38] <Tm_T> I have only default fans and no heat problems
[09:38] <arcanistherogue> same. my case came with 8 :D
[09:38] <arcanistherogue> but i replaced a couple and added LED fans <_<
[09:39] <Tm_T> thoh
[09:39] <Tm_T> my only one =)
[09:39] <arcanistherogue> Its awesome
[09:39] <arcanistherogue> it has two in the front near the bottom, where my rack of hard drives is, then one right over the graphics card on the window, then 2 in the back near the ports. the others are on the top :D
[09:40] <Tm_T> bah
[09:40] <Tm_T> just extranoice and heat
[09:40] <arcanistherogue> ;_; but its flashy
[09:41] <Tm_T> bah
[09:41] <gdh> I bet it... looks... fantastic... :|
[09:41] <Tm_T> now I understand
[09:41] <arcanistherogue> :D
[09:41] <Tm_T> kid! =)
[09:41] <Tm_T> muah
[09:42] <arcanistherogue> hey man, its real nifty <_<
[09:42] <gdh> does it have lowered suspension and alloy wheels? :)
[09:42] <arcanistherogue> I wish.
[09:42] <gdh> some fluffy dice would be good, mind :)
[09:42] <arcanistherogue> :D I have those
[09:42] <gdh> haha :)
[09:43] <Tm_T> maybe you should stick in your tacky candyland world until you grow up a little bit ] ;=
[09:43] <arcanistherogue> ;_;
[09:44] <arcanistherogue> well i dont have the dice on the computer <_<
[09:44] <Tm_T> I hate you all
[09:44] <Tm_T> no I'm not
[09:44] <Tm_T> bah, suck it
[09:44] <gdh> Tm_T: Time for your medication. :)
[09:45] <arcanistherogue> :D
[09:47] <nikkia> has anyone else been seeing random firefox quits the past couple of days ?
[09:48] <arcanistherogue> nope, sorry.
[09:48] <arcanistherogue> say, does anyone know how to get nexuiz installed?
[09:48] <arcanistherogue> i just did chmod a+x on the nexuiz-linux-x86-glx file, is that it?
[09:48] <Tm_T> nooooooo!!
[09:49] <Tm_T> stop it!
[09:49] <Tm_T> no needles, no!
[09:49] <Tm_T> (these blue pills are like candy)
[09:50] <gdh> aaaaand relax :)
[09:50] <nikkia> ok, who hid tm_t's meds today?
[09:54] <Tm_T> yup
[09:57] <Fremen> Is this on ?
[09:57] <Fremen> ooh
[09:57] <arcanistherogue> y helo thar
[09:57] <Fremen> helloo
[09:57] <Tm_T> hi nikkia o/
[10:23] <haim> hi
[10:29] <haim> welcom to the party
[10:29] <VeloxS> Would anyone happen to know the process for the KDE clock so I can reboot it?
[10:34] <EasterSunshine> kdm
[10:35] <EasterSunshine> warning: rebooting kdm will restart kde itself
[10:35] <EasterSunshine> or not even, it'll bring you down to a command prompt
[10:38] <Firetech> My kscreensaver sometimes wont start by itself. dcop'ing it to start or lock the screen works, and relogin fixes it. I haven't found out why it doesn't want to start, it just does so at what-seems-to-be-random now. Any ideas?
[10:41] <_mike> hi, i installed wireless assisstant following their instructions, cd to dir, ./configure , make , make install and it said it was done so i restarted but i cant find it anywhere
[10:43] <_mike> anyone here>?
[10:45] <VeloxS> EasterSunshine: rebooting kdm (KDE Display Manager) will reboot KDE :P
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2005-08-26-#kubuntu-devel
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[04:08] <pef> hi
[04:09] <hunger> kubuntu-desktop seems to conflict with ubuntu-desktop at the moment.
[04:23] <jpatrick> So remove one of them
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2005-08-07-#ubuntu-meeting
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[08:28] <zed> hello :)
[08:28] <adomanski> hi
[08:29] <adomanski> Hi Sturmkind ;)
[08:29] <Sturmkind> hello adomanski ;-)
[08:29] <adomanski> hehe
[08:29] <Sturmkind> i think it's a english channel
[08:29] <adomanski> it is
[08:52] <Nafallo> mako: ping
[08:55] <Seveas> Nafallo, wait an hour :)
[08:56] <teolemon> what?
[08:56] <Sturmkind> *g*
[08:56] <adomanski> lol
[08:56] <teolemon> i thought that was Greenwich + ou - one
[08:57] <Nafallo> hmm, that was not the highlight I wanted ;-)
[09:01] <Yann2> teolemon > +2, we've summer hour
[09:01] <teolemon> okay
[09:01] <teolemon> so French time ?
[09:01] <teolemon> that would be ...
[09:01] <adomanski> 22
[09:01] <teolemon> gosh
[09:01] <Seveas> teolemon, sate --utc
[09:01] <Seveas> date --utc even
[09:02] <teolemon> going to read a bit to wait
[09:02] <teolemon> see ya
[09:04] <Yann2> teolemon > qd on est en heure d't on a utc+2, en heure d'hiver UTC+2
[09:05] <teolemon> et les anglais c'est pareil ?
[09:05] <teolemon> ou on est les seuls
[09:05] <Yann2> pareil :)
[09:08] <adomanski> http://www.time.gov/timezone.cgi?UTC/s/0/java
[09:08] <adomanski> lol
[09:11] <Yann2> erf
[09:32] <Sturmkind> hello daniel
[09:33] <dholbach> hello sascha
[09:33] <\sh> hey Sturmkind
[09:33] <\sh> dholbach: what a pleasure to see u :)
[09:33] <Sturmkind> hello \sh
[09:33] <dholbach> hai \sh :)
[09:34] <Sturmkind> where the shark is?
[09:36] <\sh> in kerpen..next to michael schumacher ,-)
[09:37] <Sturmkind> lol @ \sh
[09:41] <Sturmkind> \sh: i wish the shark near to the german po
[09:41] <Sturmkind> politicians
[09:41] <Sturmkind> :-)
[09:41] <\sh> hehe
[09:41] <\sh> ok..time to check the agenda ,)
[09:41] <Sturmkind> ok
[09:42] <\sh> who is jennylw? the standard girls name for someone not existent?
[09:43] <Sturmkind> lol
[09:45] <ubuntu_demon> hi
[09:47] <Seveas> 'navond Roald
[09:47] <ubuntu_demon> hi Seveas are you dutch ?
[09:48] <Seveas> ubuntu_demon, yup, je kent me zelfs ;)
[09:48] <ubuntu_demon> Seveas: dennis :)
[09:48] <Seveas> :D
[09:49] <ubuntu_demon> Seveas: did you see that I put my name on : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DutchTeamIdeas ? I would like to visit the next meeting
[09:49] <Seveas> ubuntu_demon, nice
[09:49] <Seveas> check out DutchTeamSpurt too
[09:49] <mako> Nafallo: hey
[09:49] <ubuntu_demon> Seveas: also if you need a moderator for http://www.ubuntu-linux.nl/forum/ I'm willing
[09:49] <Seveas> we're going to translate heaps of documentation in one weekend (5-6 nov)
[09:49] <Seveas> ubuntu_demon, ubuntu-linu.nl is a rogue site..
[09:49] <ubuntu_demon> Seveas: I didn't know
[09:50] <Seveas> I've been trying to establish cooperation but they don't want to cooperate...
[09:50] <\sh> hey mako...still in the netherlands?
[09:50] <ogra> \sh, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JennyL%c3%b6%c3%b6w
[09:50] <ubuntu_demon> Seveas: then we won't cooperate with them ;) .. also it's better to have all of the forums in 1 place
[09:50] <mdke> Seveas, a translation weekend is an awesome idea
[09:51] <Seveas> mdke, we think so too
[09:51] <Sturmkind> Seveas: the same problem we have in germany with ubuntu-forum.de :-(
[09:51] <Yann2> we're going to make a "forum day" too ;)
[09:51] <Nafallo> mako: hi! can I ask you to look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JennyLw? :-)
[09:52] <Seveas> Nafallo, that's an empty page
[09:52] <Sturmkind> ogra: nice gothic style ;-)
[09:52] <Nafallo> mako: I'm not sure what a contribution is for translating girlfriends
[09:52] <Nafallo> Seveas: hmm, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JennyL%c3%b6%c3%b6w
[09:52] <ogra> Sturmkind, meet gothcat :)
[09:52] <Yann2> who is Josh Kresh?
[09:52] <Yann2> Kress?
[09:52] <Seveas> ah, there's content now
[09:53] <ogra> Yann2, yep
[09:53] <Seveas> 5 minutes ago there wasnt :)
[09:53] <Nafallo> Seveas: :-)
[09:53] <Sturmkind> ah thank you ogra
[09:53] <kinjoo> Josh Kress, that's me
[09:53] <ubuntu_demon> this is me : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RoaldHopman
[09:53] <kinjoo> Who' asking?
[09:53] <Nafallo> would that satisfy for a membership or what is missing? :-)
[09:53] <ogra> kinjoo, Yann2 was
[09:53] <Seveas> ubuntu_demon, wait your turn, the meeting didn't start yet :)
[09:54] <ubuntu_demon> Seveas: I know just wanted everyone to know who I am :-P
[09:54] <kinjoo> ogra: I see, but I wanted to know his/her real name ;-)
[09:54] <\sh> hmmm....
[09:54] <\sh> weired
[09:55] <\sh> ffox should translate the umlauts to http conform character replacements
[09:56] <\sh> Nafallo: your girlfriend? then u cheated ,-)
[09:56] <Nafallo> \sh: hehe, cheated? :-)
[09:57] <Sturmkind> hello littlepaul
[09:57] <\sh> Nafallo: u put the content just now on it ,-)
[09:58] <Nafallo> \sh: she did actually :-)
[09:58] <Seveas> Yann2, btw: did you see my nice ubuntu-themed forum at ubuntulinux.nl/forum :)
[09:58] <Yann2> Seveas > :)
[09:59] <\sh> hmmm...i have to say: quattro formaggi pizza is nothing for me
[09:59] <\sh> it smells like stinky feet
[09:59] <Seveas> \sh, no cheese lover?
[09:59] <Mez> Tue Aug 2 19:59:41 UTC 2005
[09:59] <\sh> meeting
[09:59] <Seveas> <public service announcement>Hi everybody. The CC meeting will start soon. Everybody who wants to become a member: please prepare a 3 line description of your work for Ubuntu so far, what you want to do and your vision about Ubuntu. And to everybody: please stay on-topic; the CC meetings take long. Going into off-topic discussions makes them even longer. Let's not repeat the debacle we saw last meeting. </public service announcement>
[09:59] <Seveas> Now please everybosy state your name for the record
[10:00] <Kamion> mako,elmo: around?
[10:00] <elmo> Kamion: yah
[10:00] <Yann2> Yann Hamon, Ubuntu-fr locoteamleader.
[10:00] <gothcat> Jenny Lw
[10:00] <ogra> <-- still OliverGrawert
[10:01] <Mez> ogra: :O
[10:01] <kinjoo> Josh Kress
[10:01] <smurfix> I need to run away for 15min or so, sorry :-/
[10:01] <Yann2> (who's Josh Kress?)
[10:01] <Yann2> ahh ^^
[10:01] <Sturmkind> Sascha Morr
[10:01] <Sturmkind> hello smurfix
[10:02] <Yann2> who's leading the meeting? Seveas ?
[10:02] <Seveas> no, mako
[10:02] <ogra> Yann2, mako
[10:02] <\sh> Yann2: mako
[10:02] <\sh> ,-)
[10:02] <Yann2> k.
[10:04] <ju> Hi all
[10:04] <Mez> Kamion, do we have a sabdfl today?
[10:04] <ogra> Mez, doesnt look like
[10:04] <Kamion> Mez: no, he's too busy at the Brazil sprint apparently
[10:04] <Kamion> phone
[10:04] <Seveas> mako, is busy too it seems :)
[10:05] <Mez> elmo, looks like you're leading the meeting :P
[10:05] <\sh> actually..time to catch a beer
[10:05] <ogra> Seveas, s/busy/preparing/ ;)
[10:05] <elmo> hmm, where did mako go? we kind of need him for quorum
[10:06] <elmo> ok, let's have a brief on-hold, while we a) wait for kamion to finish talking to mark, b) try and get mako
[10:06] <ogra> he was here 15min ago...
[10:06] <mdke> elmo, got 2 secs for a PM?
[10:06] <Seveas> Nafallo, sent mako of to gothcat's wikipage
[10:06] <Seveas> maybe he fainted :)
[10:06] <Nafallo> lol
[10:06] <mdke> <-- (MatthewEast)
[10:07] <dholbach> hey mdke :)
[10:07] <Kamion> Mark sends his apologies by phone, as I said too busy
[10:07] <gothcat> Seveas: Thanx *smiling*
[10:07] <dholbach> Kamion: tell him hi from us :)
[10:07] <mdke> hiya dholbach
[10:08] <Mez> \sh wha?
[10:08] <\sh> Mez: when I saw the first few lines of gothcats picture :)
[10:08] <smurfix> back
[10:08] <Seveas> wb
[10:08] <Seveas> the meeting dit not start yet
[10:08] <elmo> calling mako
[10:08] <Mez> \sh, you need a higher res
[10:08] <smurfix> Seveas: I notice ;-)
[10:09] <\sh> Mez: yes..:) 14" isn't good at all
[10:09] <\sh> cheers guys
[10:10] <\sh> and gals :)
[10:10] <Mez> \sh 14" = impressive
[10:10] <Sturmkind> \sh: hm i should have a look at gothcat's pictures ;-)
[10:10] <elmo> mako's just getting online
[10:10] <mako> ok
[10:10] <mako> that was easy
[10:10] <Kamion> guys, leching at prospective members is hereby off-topic
[10:10] <mako> i was *sure* it was in two hours
[10:10] <mako> i didn't have a chance to look at the agenda
[10:10] <elmo> yeah, off-topic and unpleasant, please try and have a little respect
[10:10] <Kamion> (right)
[10:11] <gothcat> \sh: I'm actually a big KISS fan :) but I'm a goth so thats way I have so much makeup :D
[10:11] <Seveas> I meant no disrespect. If anybody thoght that, I hereby apologize.
[10:11] <\sh> gothcat: as I said..the picture wasn't there completly..I just saw the white colour :)
[10:11] <mako> alrigght everyone
[10:11] <\sh> second seveas
[10:12] <Sturmkind> gothcat: the goth makeup looks chute ;-)
[10:13] <mako> ok
[10:13] <gothcat> Sturmkind: thanx
[10:13] <mako> are people waiting for me to chair this again?
[10:13] <mdke> ;)
[10:13] <smurfix> mako: probably
[10:13] <mako> alright
[10:13] <kolcvk> :)
[10:13] <ogra> mako, who else should lead us :)
[10:13] <elmo> mako: if you don't mind
[10:14] <mako> lets get this party started
[10:14] <mako> i am Benjamin Mako Hill
[10:14] <mako> and i have just now looked at the agenda due to thinko :)
[10:14] <ogra> <-- OliverGrawert
[10:14] <Kamion> we've done the roll-call, let's move on
[10:14] <mako> alright
[10:15] <mako> so loco team leaders
[10:15] <ogra> Seveas ...
[10:15] <kolcvk> :)
[10:15] <mako> Seveas: you're up
[10:15] <mako> Seveas: what needs to change?
[10:15] <Seveas> ok then, I've taken over Treenaks' position as leader lately
[10:15] <mako> alright
[10:15] <mako> Treenaks: you around?
[10:16] <Seveas> unfortunately not
[10:16] <mako> Seveas: while we're on the topic, is it worth talking about the two dutch teams?
[10:16] <smurfix> Seveas: tell us a bit about sourself?
[10:16] <mako> and what is going to happen with it
[10:16] <Seveas> mako, not yet, there are still some struggles going on after initial success
[10:16] <Yann2> mako > Josh Kress and I agreed, Ubuntu marketing effort and Ubuntu europe topics should be merged
[10:16] <Seveas> basically the 'others' refuse to cooperate
[10:17] <mako> Seveas: yeah, why don't you talk Treenaks sounds good
[10:17] <Kamion> what's the reasoning there?
[10:17] <kinjoo> mako: approved, merge topics!
[10:17] <Seveas> Kamion, ubuntu-linux.nl is part of alleslinux.com and as such wants no cooperation with official teams
[10:17] <Seveas> but they do get on our nerves by not even linking to the official dutch dite
[10:17] <Seveas> site*
[10:18] <mdke> Seveas, do they even answer your mails now?
[10:18] <Yann2> CC agenda updated.
[10:18] <Seveas> mdke, yes, finally after 2 months
[10:18] <mako> Seveas: well, as the team with official blessing.. you guys should play teh nice guy
[10:18] <mdke> progress :)
[10:18] <Seveas> mako, we do :)
[10:19] <mako> i hvae a dialog with the guy from the second team and can help to put pressure on either side if you want
[10:19] <Seveas> mako, let's take that out of the meeting, this would be off-topic for now...
[10:19] <mako> alright
[10:19] <mako> Seveas: anything else to report with the team?
[10:19] <Seveas> yeah
[10:19] <Seveas> we're goinf to have a weekend-long translation spurt to translate a lot of documentation
[10:20] <dholbach> cool :)
[10:20] <mdke> +++
[10:20] <mako> Seveas: awesome
[10:20] <Seveas> And the idea sounded so good to me that I want to spread it :)
[10:20] <mako> Seveas: you should write that up and send it sounder
[10:20] <Seveas> mako, will do once the plans are final
[10:20] <mako> try to use it as a model for the other teams
[10:20] <mako> cool!
[10:20] <mako> Seveas: anything else?
[10:20] <Seveas> not unless someone has questions
[10:21] <smurfix> Seveas: Cool. Please update the LoCoTeamsList ;-)
[10:21] <mako> cool
[10:21] <mako> Yann2: you're up\
[10:21] <Yann2> thx.
[10:21] <mako> Yann2: whats up with the french team?
[10:21] <Yann2> Well, the german teaam and french team had some hosting problem, a few while ago
[10:21] <Yann2> i told you about that.
[10:22] <Yann2> you told us to find some host ourselves, as the ubuntu foundation couldn't help
[10:22] <mdke> Yann2, we're on the team leader part of the agenda right now
[10:22] <Yann2> Oh.
[10:22] <Yann2> hm, . I'm already team leader...
[10:23] <mdke> that's what I thought too...
[10:23] <mdke> ;)
[10:23] <ogra> Yann2, your ip indicates that youre in germany...
[10:23] <Yann2> i suppose i shouldn't have noted my name on the agenda, then :)
[10:23] <Yann2> ogra > i am ;)
[10:23] <Yann2> well, sorry, let's move on.
[10:23] <Virtuall> argh... but I probably should :(
[10:24] <Seveas> Virtuall, -> next time
[10:24] <mako> ok.. lets move on :)
[10:24] <ogra> does anyone els think its funny that the .it team has a british settled leader and the french one a german one ?
[10:24] <ogra> else even
[10:24] <Seveas> KyleBrooks
[10:24] <mako> Yann2: unless you had something you needed in front of the council
[10:24] <Virtuall> :)
[10:24] <Yann2> ogra > i'm french. Studiing in germany. Coming back to france in one month. We're off topic ;)
[10:24] <mdke> ogra, at least Yann2 is actually french ;)
[10:24] <Seveas> kbrooks apparently is not present
[10:24] <smurfix> mako: we do, but UbuntuEurope is further down on the agenda.
[10:24] <mdke> ogra, also, the -it team doesn't have a leader :D
[10:25] <Seveas> RoaldHopman -> ubuntu_demon you're up
[10:25] <mako> ok
[10:25] <ubuntu_demon> ok
[10:25] <ogra> mdke, :)
[10:25] <ubuntu_demon> I'm a moderator of ubuntuforums. (ubuntu_demon)
[10:25] <ubuntu_demon> I will continue helping people as a moderator for the foreseeable future. Also I've got some other thoughts/ideas.See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RoaldHopman for some of them. Maybe it would be nice to blog about some of them on Planet Ubuntu.
[10:25] <mako> wow, people already know the routine :)
[10:25] <mdke> oh wow you're THAT ubuntu_demon :)
[10:25] <ubuntu_demon> mdke: yeah I am :)
[10:25] <mdke> nice work
[10:25] <Seveas> mako, I gave the instructions prior to the meeting :)
[10:25] <Mez> +1 for Forums work
[10:26] <mako> since i'm not on the forums, are there are people here who can vouch for ubuntu_demon's forum work?
[10:26] <mdke> yeah
[10:26] <Seveas> ubuntu_demon, as forum helper, fif you join the NewUserNetwork?
[10:26] <mdke> he does good work
[10:26] <Seveas> did*
[10:26] <Kamion> (detail's good)
[10:26] <ubuntu_demon> mako: you can read everything about me on the forums and my wiki if you want :-P
[10:27] <Kamion> lots of posts, mind
[10:27] <gothcat> I have been translating in Rosetta so far and I will continue to do so. Yesterday I became an approver
[10:27] <Seveas> ubuntu_demon, that's not the point, we need people to vouch for you with details on why you should be a member
[10:27] <Mez> ubuntu_demon, has given lots and lots of support on the forums, and also does a great job of keeping them in order.
[10:27] <gothcat> oops
[10:27] <Kamion> ubuntu_demon: that takes a bit long for these meetings, summaries are our friends :)
[10:27] <Mez> gothcat: wait your turn
[10:27] <ubuntu_demon> Kamion: ok :)
[10:27] <siretart> hi folks!
[10:27] <Sturmkind> we was at ubuntu-fr and Yann2 ?
[10:27] <Nafallo> Mez: she didn't realize the enter key was that close ;-)
[10:28] <mdke> post count is a reasonable indication of ubuntu_demon's work
[10:28] <Mez> Nafallo, sorry :D automativ
[10:28] <mako> alright
[10:28] <Kamion> ubuntu_demon: what would you say the top couple of issues you regularly help people with are? (curious)
[10:28] <mako> i've seen ubuntu_demon around.. i'm happy apprroving him for membership based on forums contributions
[10:29] <mako> but would still like to hear the answer to Kamion
[10:29] <ubuntu_demon> Kamion: that really depends :)
[10:29] <ubuntu_demon> Kamion: often I just have to tell people to take a look at the ubuntuguide first
[10:29] <mdke> Seveas, +
[10:30] <ubuntu_demon> Seveas: Do you want me to ask other moderators and such to become Ubuntu member ?
[10:30] <mako> ubuntu_demon: yes.. i think people that put in significant time in leadership roles in the forums should be
[10:31] <ubuntu_demon> mako: Okay I will
[10:31] <mako> Kamion, elmo: any feelings?
[10:31] <\sh> is there any possibility to feed the forum boards to nntp?
[10:31] <mako> \sh: lets talk about this after the meeting
[10:31] <Seveas> fwiw, /me knows ubuntu_demon IRL and he's not a bad guy out there too
[10:31] <\sh> mako: sure..
[10:32] <ubuntu_demon> any questions to me ?
[10:32] <Mez> mako: ubuntu-geek is on his way to vouch for ubuntu_demon
[10:32] <elmo> sorry, I'm just trying to catch up on the forums quickly
[10:32] <Kamion> likewise
[10:32] <Seveas> oh, and why is it that some parts on the forum are only visible when logged in?
[10:33] <Seveas> that is crap imao...
[10:33] <ubuntu_demon> Seveas: I didn't know since I am always logged in .. which parts do you mean ?
[10:33] <Mez> Seveas, thats something to addresa fter the meeting ;)(
[10:33] <Seveas> Mez, sure, if you know why please tell me later
[10:33] <elmo> I think I'm happy to ack based on the recommendation of mako and the forum folks
[10:34] <Kamion> yeah, likewise I think
[10:34] <Mez> evening mdz :P
[10:34] <mdz> Mez: yes?
[10:34] <ubuntu_demon> mdz = ubuntu_geek ?I will continue helping people as a moderator for the foreseeable future. Also I've got some other thoughts/ideas.See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RoaldHopman for some of them. Maybe it would be nice to blog about some of them on Planet Ubuntu.
[10:34] <ubuntu_demon> sorry
[10:34] <Mez> mdz, I was just greeting you
[10:34] <Kamion> it's hard for somebody who doesn't follow the fora full-time to have a feel for what somebody does
[10:35] <Seveas> Kamion, that's why I suggested more forum-people-presence at CC meetings
[10:35] <ubuntu_demon> I accidentally pasted again :-P
[10:35] <mdz> Mez: ":P"?
[10:35] <Seveas> it will be a nice task for member(-to-be) ubuntu_demon to arranhe that
[10:35] <Mez> mdz it was just a smiley, I use them all the time :P
[10:35] <mdz> ubuntu_demon: no, I am not ubuntu_geek
[10:35] <ubuntugeek> hello :)
[10:35] <Mez> ubuntugeek, = ubuntu-geek
[10:35] <ubuntu_demon> hi ubuntugeek :)
[10:36] <dholbach> where are we now?
[10:36] <ubuntugeek> hey guys :)
[10:36] <ubuntugeek> not sure if i am too late but ubuntu_demon has done tons for the forums so he gets my vote..
[10:36] <elmo> ok, so that's three acks, shall we move on?
[10:36] <mako> yes
[10:36] <Seveas> yes please :)
[10:36] <ubuntu_demon> thnx guys :)
[10:36] <mako> #
[10:36] <mako> AlexanderDomanski
[10:36] <Seveas> ubuntu_demon, welcom aboard the Ubuntu ship
[10:37] <Seveas> send a signed CoC to mako
[10:37] <adomanski> Thank You Mako
[10:37] <ubuntu_demon> Seveas: explain about that CoC in private
[10:37] <adomanski> At the moment I am working as a news poster and wiki administrator at ubuntu-de.org. Till now I have been writing lots of german documentation and have been writing in the german forum. I am also working on an better rescue mode for Ubuntu, the new idea pool (topic today) a small usability study for the upcoming breezy release, some small tools to improve Breezy (nothing official yet), testing Breezy and thinking about usabilit
[10:37] <adomanski> y in general. My goals for Ubuntu would be to make it even easier and to be encouraged enough to go other ways.
[10:37] <ogra> adomanski, you do ltsp stuff ?
[10:38] <adomanski> yes ogra
[10:38] <Seveas> adomanski, sounds good. Any ubuntu-de guys around to vouch for you?
[10:38] <dholbach> adomanski: what do you mean by "be encouraged enough to go other ways"? "other ways" like in derivatives?
[10:38] <ogra> adomanski, we should talk in #edubuntu after the meeting ;)
[10:38] <mako> littlepaul: votes in what way? :)
[10:38] <adomanski> dholbach: go go other ways than other distribution
[10:38] <adomanski> ogra: ok
[10:38] <ogra> :)
[10:39] <smurfix> +1 for adomanski
[10:39] <Sturmkind> +1 for adomanski
[10:39] <kinjoo> +1 for adomanski
[10:39] <Kamion> adomanski: I haven't heard about the rescue mode improvements; feel free to get in touch with me offline about that, since I'm the main rescue mode author
[10:39] <\sh> ogra: he is a good candidate for motu ;)
[10:40] <mdke> Mez, what from?
[10:40] <ogra> +1 for adomanski if he does mdz the favor of a ltsp test install ;)
[10:40] <adomanski> Kamion: ok. send me an irc memo. documentation is atm only in german
[10:40] <littlepaul> mako, i support and agree to adomanski description
[10:40] <Kamion> adomanski: the link on your wiki page is dead
[10:40] <Mez> mdke - a + or a -
[10:40] <adomanski> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlexanderDomanski should work
[10:40] <mako> adomanski: i woudl sugggest that your wiki page be a bit more developed
[10:40] <\sh> adomanski: u should join motu..with your skills...
[10:41] <Kamion> adomanski: no, the IsolatedRescueEnvironment one
[10:41] <adomanski> \sh: i can't do packaging
[10:41] <adomanski> Kamion: seems to be deleted
[10:41] <ogra> adomanski, asy to learn ;)
[10:41] <\sh> adomanski: ??? DPKG packaging
[10:41] <Kamion> as is BreezyUsabilityStudy
[10:41] <\sh> it's written on your page
[10:41] <ogra> s/asy/easy
[10:41] <adomanski> \sh: not THAT good
[10:41] <Kamion> not good enough for MOTU?
[10:41] <ogra> adomanski, doesnt matter.... its a matter of training :)
[10:42] <adomanski> Kamion: no. I would not like to see my packages in universe ;=
[10:42] <adomanski> ogra: sure
[10:42] <mdke> the page is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlexanderDomanski
[10:42] <\sh> adomanski: well...motu is a way to improve
[10:42] <Seveas> adomanski, why don't you want that?
[10:42] <ogra> adomanski, we can teach you everything you need... the only thing you have to do is getting practice yourself :)
[10:43] <adomanski> \sh: i guess it is. but i am not., well ready for it. you see?
[10:43] <\sh> and we need some python guys
[10:43] <adomanski> \sh: give me some time.
[10:43] <\sh> adomanski: I wasn't ready at all ... anyways...
[10:43] <ogra> adomanski, just try it... if you cant make it you can still step back ...
[10:43] <adomanski> no really. being an ubuntu member is just enough for me atm
[10:44] <dholbach> adomanski: don't worry, we won't make you sign a contract now :-)
[10:44] <adomanski> dholbach: rofl
[10:44] <\sh> dholbach: well...motu is a contract with the devil^h^h^h^h^hogra,-)
[10:44] <adomanski> ;D
[10:44] <Nafallo> haha
[10:44] <Seveas> we're dwelling off-topic a bit
[10:44] <Kamion> I tend to agree that the wiki page needs to be fleshed out; it's hard for me to see what you've done as opposed to what you're interested in doing, if you see what I mean
[10:45] <elmo> yeah
[10:45] <Seveas> anybody want to vouch for/vote against adomanski ?
[10:45] <mako> adomanski: want to work on documenting and linking the things you've worked on and then come back to the next meeting?
[10:45] <mako> adomanski: i'm happy to work with you in the next two weeks to do this
[10:45] <mako> adomanski: it's not a comment on the work you've done just.. just how visible it is the council
[10:45] <ogra> MOTU would be too :)
[10:45] <adomanski> mako: im on holidays then
[10:46] <Seveas> adomanski, then try two weeks later :)
[10:46] <mako> adomanski: well.. if you work on the page and talk about it first.. we won't require you to show up again
[10:46] <adomanski> mako: what do you mean?
[10:47] <mako> adomanski: well.. work on the page before hand, run it by me.. and then you don't need to actually who up at the meeting
[10:47] <mako> adomanski: so being on holiday shouldn't be an issue
[10:47] <mako> adomanski: is that alright?
[10:47] <adomanski> mako: ok. I will do that.
[10:47] <Kamion> thanks dude
[10:47] <mako> JonathanJesse
[10:47] <mako> you're up
[10:47] <mdke> he is not here right now
[10:47] <mako> alright next
[10:47] <Seveas> gothcat
[10:48] <gothcat> I have been translating in Rosetta so far and I will continue to do so. Yesterday I became an approved member of Ubuntu Swedish Translators. I will continue translating and maybe join the artwork team.
[10:48] <mako> JennyLw
[10:48] <gothcat> hi
[10:48] <ogra> mako, gothcat
[10:48] <Nafallo> I can vouch for her and tell you that she is nervous :-)
[10:48] <Kamion> have you been lurking on the art team to date? I haven't heard much from it (no reflection on them, I just haven't been paying attention)
[10:48] <Kamion> so curious
[10:49] <mako> is there a way we can get rosetta stats?
[10:49] <adomanski> users page
[10:49] <Nafallo> mako: there is a link on her wiki :-)
[10:49] <mdke> https://launchpad.net/people/gothcat/+translations
[10:50] <mako> i see that
[10:50] <mako> ....now
[10:50] <mdke> nice work :D
[10:50] <gothcat> Kamion: right now its much about icons..
[10:50] <ogra> Kamion, i'm there all the time... still sorting themselves out
[10:51] <elmo> thos translation stats are kind of lame
[10:51] <elmo> err, not gothcats
[10:51] <mdke> elmo, yeah that is a real new feature
[10:52] <elmo> I mean the page in general. the LP team needs some stats pr0n investment
[10:52] <Nafallo> elmo: agreed
[10:52] <mako> gothcat: how long have you been doing translations?? how many messages (order of magnitude) have you do so far?
[10:53] <mako> elmo: dude, be careful making ridiculous suggestion for lp
[10:53] <gothcat> sice rosetta was launched
[10:53] <mako> elmo: thhey will be accepted
[10:53] <ogra> lol
[10:53] <Nafallo> I've watched her made a lot, also filled a bug about them not being seen :-P
[10:54] <gothcat> I dont know how many I dont count them
[10:54] <Nafallo> mako: she's been using evenings for it atleast :-)
[10:54] <\sh> Nafallo: jealous? ;)
[10:55] <Nafallo> and sometimes nights
[10:55] <Nafallo> \sh: you got me ;-)
[10:55] <mako> is there anyone else here who can vouch for gothcat and her contributions
[10:55] <mako> ?
[10:55] <mako> i am no thrilled with the reporting funcionality of lp but am not going to hold that against gothcat :)
[10:55] <Kamion> I'm generally OK with acking people based on translation work, obviously
[10:56] <Kamion> so fine with me, despite lp's dodgy stats :)
[10:56] <elmo> yeah, ack
[10:56] <mako> el ?
[10:56] <Nafallo> I can put my eyes as translation status report tools or something :-)
[10:56] <mdke> ouch
[10:56] <gothcat> thanks guys :D
[10:56] <mdke> welcome gothcat, nice work
[10:57] <Kamion> somebody please raise stats issues as a Rosetta bug, if it's not there already
[10:57] <Mez> gothcat, signed CoC, on mako's desk :P
[10:57] <ogra> welcome gothcat :)
[10:57] <mdke> Kamion, i'm sure they are working on it, because that feature has only just been implemented afaik
[10:57] <Nafallo> yay! :-)
[10:57] <gothcat> Mez: okey
[10:57] <Kamion> mdke: fair enough
[10:57] <\sh> gothcat: Nafallo will show u how to do this...and welcome :)
[10:57] <gothcat> Thanx
[10:57] <mako> alright
[10:57] <Seveas> welcome gothcat
[10:58] <mako> is there anyone else at teh end of the list who is her enow?
[10:58] <mako> people that didn't show before but are here now?
[10:58] <mako> going once..
[10:58] <mako> going twice..
[10:58] <Virtuall> well... i was discussed before (DankoAlexeyev)
[10:59] <Mez> mako, can you read my /msg please ?
[10:59] <Virtuall> and i was there :)
[10:59] <mako> alright
[10:59] <Virtuall> but i had nothing to show so ... :)
[10:59] <mako> Virtuall: ok.. work with me in the next two weeks
[10:59] <mako> alright then
[10:59] <mako> lets move on
[10:59] <mako> Mez wants to move backports stuff up to here
[10:59] <Virtuall> currently not much more to show either. ok.
[10:59] <mako> and i'm ok with that
[10:59] <Seveas> Virtuall, look at the top of the needs-to-show-up list....
[10:59] <mako> Virtuall: alright.. then we'll work on it
[11:00] <mako> backports team
[11:00] <mako> last time we decided that we didn't need to vote at the time for the team
[11:00] <mdke> what's the issue?
[11:00] <mako> because we'd already agreed that we wanted to create it but wanted them to lead with work
[11:00] <mako> it sounds like that has happened.. the list was created, etc
[11:01] <Kamion> isn't backports team just agenda cruft? it's been there three meetings running now, I think
[11:01] <Mez> 2
[11:01] <mdke> lol
[11:01] <mako> Kamion: it was removed and readded
[11:01] <Mez> this time mako told me to put it in:p
[11:01] <ogra> yep,they are wildly spamming the buillogs with ~hoary versions :)
[11:01] <mdke> awww how come a separate mailing list rather than ubuntu-devel?
[11:01] <mako> Mez: you guys have a team now
[11:01] <Mez> yes, we do
[11:01] <mako> Mez: what were you asking for this time?
[11:01] <mako> recognition of you at the contact?
[11:02] <mako> i can't remember what was at issue this time
[11:02] <Mez> mako: you told me to come here :
[11:02] <Mez> to "rubber stamp" the whole thing
[11:02] <mdz> mako: if the team is official now, it should be added to the Teams page
[11:02] <Seveas> so apparently the team has no official status yet
[11:02] <Mez> there - mdz will explain
[11:02] <mako> well, since i thought we agreed to this before, i'm ahppy to agree to it now
[11:02] <Kamion> this is getting rather ridiculous, we've approved it twice now
[11:03] <mdz> that's all I've got; I wasn't present for the previous discussion
[11:03] <mako> mdz: alright.. let's add it to that page
[11:03] <mako> Mez: you have what you want as far as i can tell
[11:03] <mdz> mako: meaning "I will add it to that page" or "would you please add it to that page"?
[11:03] <Mez> mako: I emailed you and asked whether there was anything left to do, you said yes and said it just needed rubber stamping to make it "official"
[11:03] <mako> there are some communication issues here in regards to this team and its status :)
[11:03] <mako> mdz: meaning, "i will add it to that page"
[11:04] <mdz> mako: we should announce the creation of new teams somewhere
[11:04] <mako> mdz: yes, we should
[11:04] <Seveas> mdz, announce@lists
[11:04] <mdz> not ubuntu-announce, but perhaps ubuntu-devel
[11:04] <\sh> ubuntu-announce ML?
[11:04] <ogra> mdz, backports was widely announced
[11:04] <mako> Mez: that might have been some time ago.. or i was confused at the time.. in any situation, it should be fine
[11:04] <mdz> ogra: oh?
[11:04] <mako> or ubuntu-news
[11:04] <mdz> ogra: neither I nor the backports team lead heard the announcement
[11:04] <ogra> mdz, on all mailing lists and i think Mez put it in any channel topic
[11:04] <\sh> ogra: it wasn't the official backports were a "secret"
[11:04] <mako> Mez: remind me about the announcement tomorrow and we'll send it out
[11:04] <Mez> mako: it was 4 days ago
[11:05] <\sh> ogra: since 4 days or 5
[11:05] <mako> ok.. maybe this is my fault
[11:05] <ogra> \sh, yep
[11:05] <Mez> on -devel and -users
[11:05] <mako> Mez: we can send it to -news
[11:05] <Mez> and put in topic
[11:05] <Mez> :D
[11:05] <Mez> anyways
[11:05] <mako> alright
[11:05] <mako> lets move on
[11:05] <mdz> it is not necessary to put it in the topic
[11:05] <\sh> and that backports are official now, is not widely spread
[11:05] <Seveas> kinjoo / Yann2
[11:05] <mako> ubuntu-europe
[11:05] <Yann2> :)
[11:05] <mako> whats up?
[11:05] <ogra> \sh, its on ubuntu-users....
[11:05] <Yann2> hope this won't be _too_ long.
[11:06] <kinjoo> Yann2 go ahead
[11:06] <mako> Yann2: yeah, lets hope :)
[11:06] <Yann2> so some paste..
[11:06] <Yann2> The french team got some hosting problem a few weeks ago.
[11:06] <Yann2> We asked mako for help... we were told we would have to find some hosting ourselves, as the linode proposal was not enough for our website.
[11:06] <mdz> Mez: there should be an announcement on the backports.ubuntuforums.org page pointing to the new page as well
[11:06] <ubuntu_demon> IMO it should wide spread that backports is official. This is really important for users I think
[11:06] <mdz> Mez: are you able to make changes there?
[11:06] <Yann2> We figured out on #ubuntu-locoteams that the German team had some problems too, so we decided to initiate a common fundraising program for both teams.
[11:06] <Yann2> It worked well, we got plenty of donations, and lots of companies got in touch with us proposing some help, in many domains.
[11:06] <Yann2> We need an official status for that. We were thinking of creating an Ubuntu Europe foundation, to promote Ubuntu in Europe, and to share amongst european teams what we might be able to get for free/buy.
[11:06] <\sh> ogra: should be on planet...
[11:06] <Yann2> We think sharing the costs for stuff(flyers, tee shirts, hosting...) would be cheaper if they're shared. And btw the others teams could benefit of the propositions that have been made to Ubuntu-fr.
[11:06] <ogra> mdz, its also on the forums
[11:06] <Yann2> It'd be an Not-for-profit organisation in France, just like the Mozilla Fundation; smurfix and I already propose ourselves as founders.
[11:06] <Yann2> We're not asking Canonical or Ubuntu for money (well we won't refuse any donation, though :) ). We just want Ubuntu Foundation to recognize the Ubuntu Europe Foundation (or whatever it'll be called) as one of it's affiliates.
[11:06] <Yann2> It won't replace any of the local Community Teams. In fact I hope it'll provide communication between them.
[11:06] <Yann2> [that's it, sorry for flooding :/]
[11:07] <mdz> Mez: backports.ubuntuforums.org doesn't even mention the new repository
[11:07] <Kamion> the Ubuntu Foundation is not really a properly active organisation yet; we have not yet had a board meeting as distinct from Ubuntu Community Council meetings, for example
[11:07] <mako> JanC:
[11:07] <mdz> Kamion: the foundation already has a wikipedia entry though ;-)
[11:08] <mako> mdz: really, i should to read it
[11:08] <mako> i know very little about it :)
[11:08] <\sh> wow
[11:08] <Kamion> Ubuntu Europe also seems like a slightly strange name given that the Ubuntu Foundation is, if based anywhere, based in Europe :-)
[11:08] <Yann2> btw, just like the Mozilla Fundation; -> just like the Mozilla Europe Fundation;
[11:08] <mako> i believe i suggested that already
[11:08] <Kamion> Mozilla is much more a US organisation due to its Netscape roots, though
[11:08] <Treenaks> better late than never.. I'm here
[11:08] <mako> Yann2: well.. before we go about creating local versions of the foundation,l we might want to, yknow, create the foundation
[11:08] <ogra> hey Treenaks
[11:08] <Kamion> Canonical's headquarters are in the UK, although we're fairly global
[11:08] <Treenaks> hi ogra
[11:09] <elmo> Kamion: IM damn it
[11:09] <elmo> .gov.uk might be listening ;)
[11:09] <Yann2> mako > i thought it was already done.
[11:09] <\sh> Kamion: hmmm...it's a _canonical_ location, right? ,-)
[11:09] <mako> before we create splinter or support organizations, we should try to get the foundation really off the ground
[11:09] <Seveas> mako, agreed
[11:09] <mako> Yann2: if the paperwork is done, then that's it.. i haven't heard anything about it and i'm supposedly one of the advisors
[11:10] <Yann2> also, we really need to set up that _now_.
[11:10] <elmo> Yann2: why?
[11:10] <mako> i think we should give the ubuntu foundation some time to figure out what it can and cannot do
[11:10] <Yann2> we got plenty of offers we can not accept because of our unofficial status
[11:10] <mdke> i also have misgivings about the wisdow of creating a splinter of the foundation run by volunteers rather than by canonical employees
[11:10] <Yann2> and we need them
[11:10] <mako> Yann2: listen, if you guys have people that want to donate to your locos
[11:10] <mako> Yann2: but need a charity to do so, we can provide that place
[11:10] <Yann2> as a french association?
[11:11] <Seveas> Yann2, is that 'french' required?
[11:11] <mako> Yann2: when i said that we as the foundation probably can't go around buying loco's hardware, that didn't meant that we wouldn't be able to accept and deploy earmarked for locos
[11:11] <ogra> mdke, s/canonical/foundation :)
[11:11] <\sh> mako: hmm..i think it's more in the sense of "Gentoo Foundation" and "Gentoo e.V." in Germany.
[11:11] <mako> Yann2: in any situation, i really think we need to let the parent be created and get off the ground before we create spliter organizations
[11:11] <smurfix> some countries do require charities to be local :-/
[11:11] <mako> smurfix: yes, that's true
[11:11] <Yann2> Seveas > yeap, there is some taxes issues
[11:12] <Kamion> so if it's solely a French organisation (for e.g. tax rebate purposes) it should be called Ubuntu France surely ...
[11:12] <\sh> smurfix: charities == e.V.?
[11:12] <mako> so, if what you want is a specific non-profit for a couple loco-teams, that's fine
[11:12] <Yann2> there will be one, too.
[11:12] <smurfix> \sh: gemeinntziger eV
[11:12] <\sh> smurfix: yes
[11:12] <mako> but that doesn't need to become the ubuntu foundation europe
[11:12] <Yann2> the fact is, we're collecting money together with ubuntu-de
[11:12] <Yann2> we got a common bank account...
[11:12] <\sh> smurfix: hard to establish for these things here in germany...as I saw with gentoo e.v.
[11:12] <mako> Yann2: ok.. if you're going to create an organization, there is going to be a lot involved
[11:12] <Yann2> it should not be called ubuntu-FR
[11:13] <Yann2> mako > i know, i'm working on it for a lot of time now.
[11:13] <mdke> mako, ++
[11:13] <Kamion> um - Europe > France + Germany ;-)
[11:13] <mako> everything from trademark licenses to relationships with the ubuntu foundation which is not even off the ground
[11:13] <Yann2> Kamion > i got in touch with MANY people, many locoteam leaders. It's not just germany and france.
[11:13] <mako> Kamion: depends on who you are talking to :)
[11:13] <elmo> Yann2: that's nice and all, but the foundation IS based in Europe
[11:14] <mako> Yann2: i don't think this proposal is ready for the council
[11:14] <Yann2> what is the ubuntu foundation supposed to do?
[11:14] <mako> Yann2: these are questions we are still figuring out
[11:14] <mdz> Yann2: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/UbuntuFoundation
[11:14] <Yann2> if we can got the stuff we're asking for, then fine.
[11:14] <elmo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Foundation
[11:14] <mako> Yann2: which is why this converation is very premature
[11:14] <adomanski> you see we want something controlled directly by the communities
[11:15] <mako> adomanski: he wants to see a foundation to buy his locos servers
[11:15] <Yann2> mako > about every locoteam leader in europe knows about ubuntu europe
[11:15] <Yann2> they, until now, agreed there should be that organisation
[11:15] <Seveas> Yann2, s/that/a/
[11:15] <mdke> no, our team is not agreed about it
[11:15] <adomanski> mako: and to do marketing and organizing stuff
[11:15] <Seveas> and the Ubuntu foundation may just as well fill that void
[11:15] <mako> alright
[11:15] <mako> lets stop this here
[11:15] <Yann2> I got some contacts, including HP, promising to give us servers, money, once we got official.
[11:16] <mako> Yann2: if hp is trying to donate servers for european locos, we can accept those through the normal ubuntu foundation
[11:16] <mako> Yann2: you haven't mentioned this to me in any of our private mails
[11:16] <Yann2> mako > you didn't answer on irc
[11:16] <mako> Yann2: you were merely talking in terms of us buying you hardware
[11:16] <mdke> don't forget there is a significant amount of mutual learning that we can do via the existing setup: we have a common irc channel and a mailing list.
[11:16] <Yann2> i tried a couple of times.
[11:16] <mako> Yann2: i've been traveling
[11:16] <mdke> the existing structure can do much
[11:16] <Yann2> that was before we got the money :/
[11:16] <mako> Yann2: you should have sent email
[11:16] <mako> in any situation
[11:16] <mako> this is a *huge* issue
[11:17] <Yann2> mdke told me to come debate that here.
[11:17] <mako> we've got to figure something out in regards to the ubuntu foundation
[11:17] <mako> right
[11:17] <mako> i'm going to suggest we create a new meeting
[11:17] <mako> to just talk about this
[11:17] <Yann2> fine to me.
[11:17] <mako> probably with jane silber, myself, you, smurfix, mark, etc
[11:17] <\sh> actually, I don't like the idea...cause it gives too much of troubles..as I realised in the past with my gentoo project
[11:17] <mako> and whoever else
[11:18] <mako> Yann2: write up u a draft agenda of issues you need covered
[11:18] <Kamion> I'm in complete agreement with mako here BTW; the foundation seems like a much better structure for dealing with donations like this, since it's going to be doing a certain amount of that kind of thing anyway
[11:18] <Seveas> mako, 'this' being thr ubuntu foundation + Yann2's plans i hope...
[11:18] <Yann2> btw, it's just about copyrights. we don't really need any help from the ubuntu foundation.
[11:18] <elmo> me too
[11:18] <mako> we may need to postpone this until we know what the foundation can and can't do
[11:18] <elmo> Yann2: dude, you're using the Ubuntu name
[11:18] <mdke> \sh, complete agreement: i don't think the ramifications of this project have been thought through
[11:18] <mako> if that doesn't fit your timescale, that may just be life
[11:18] <elmo> you absolutely need help from the Foundation and/or Canonical
[11:18] <mako> better to not screw up at the beginning when setting this up
[11:18] <Yann2> elmo > As I am with Ubuntu fr :)
[11:18] <mako> alright
[11:18] <\sh> Yann2: dealing with trademarks and copyrights is a quite difficult game...and you will pay a hell of a lot for lawyers..
[11:19] <mako> Yann2: send me a proposed agenda.. lets continue this later :)
[11:19] <Yann2> ok.
[11:19] <\sh> Yann2: and this money is better to be spend in freedom toasters for ubuntu in europe then anything else
[11:19] <kinjoo> +1 for the seperate meeting. this needs to be solved
[11:19] <Kamion> Yann2: the locoteams are something we've been doing for a long time. you're proposing to set up basically an alternative to the Ubuntu Foundation, which is a very different matter
[11:19] <mako> let's move on
[11:19] <mako> ubuntufutureproject
[11:19] <Yann2> Kamion > it's not really an alternative :)
[11:19] <smurfix> \sh: don't worry ;-)
[11:19] <Yann2> we won't be developing ubuntu
[11:19] <Yann2> well.
[11:19] <adomanski> Thank you Mako.
[11:19] <adomanski> Did everybody read: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFutureProject
[11:20] <\sh> smurfix: hehe :) I had my experience :(
[11:20] <mako> i did
[11:20] <Kamion> UbuntuFutureProject seems like something that should just be developed and tried out; does it need to be brought to the CC for a particular reason?
[11:20] <mako> adomanski: it's unclear what you want to do and why you think you need CC approval
[11:20] <mako> Kamion: what kamion said, except less clear
[11:20] <Seveas> adomanski, the Ubuntu brainstorming sessions take place at the conferences
[11:21] <adomanski> mako: first it was Yann2 idea to bring this up to CC. 2. I would like to see this as a part of the official homepage
[11:21] <Kamion> it seems like a reasonable thing to try, although inevitably whether developers find that it's an efficient use of time to go to it for ideas is entirely dependent on how good the design/implementation is
[11:21] <mako> Seveas: well, making that accessible to folks not a conferences seems like a plan
[11:21] <mdke> adomanski, if it works, maybe you can get it written up on the website
[11:21] <Kamion> adomanski: it'd have to be developed first before we could commit to that
[11:21] <mako> adomanski: the work flow here is basically to build something unofficially and then, once it is de facto offical, add it
[11:21] <ogra> mako, i thought thats why the udu wiki is still open for adding stuff
[11:22] <Kamion> adomanski: we'll also have a much better basis for having a conversation once there's something to look at :)
[11:22] <adomanski> mako: ok mako.
[11:22] <mako> adomanski: build something compelling.. you don't need our permission and then come to us when you think it's solid
[11:22] <adomanski> Kamion: I know it myself.
[11:22] <mako> of course
[11:22] <mako> that said
[11:22] <mako> if you're interested in helping out with this, you should work with adomanski :)
[11:22] <mako> i agree that the ideapool could really be replaced with something better
[11:23] <Kamion> so since it's something you're trying to build with the express purpose of being useful to the development community, you'd need to make sure to get feedback from the development community pretty regularly
[11:23] <adomanski> I just didn't want to spend a week of work to create something nobody wants
[11:23] <\sh> is not a wiki the best place for ideas?
[11:23] <Kamion> otherwise it becomes yet another pile of stuff nobody looks at
[11:23] <adomanski> \sh: wikis are very bad for discussions
[11:23] <mdke> \sh, people sometimes don't look at it
[11:23] <\sh> mdke: but this is not a problem of a wiki
[11:23] <dholbach> adomanski: a wiki page with an announce on the mailing list maybe?
[11:23] <Kamion> I do tend to think that ubuntu-devel@lists is a much better place for discussions
[11:24] <\sh> adomanski: u think? enhance moin moin :)
[11:24] <adomanski> developers discuss their ideas on mailing lists. but this is about _users_ guys
[11:24] <Kamion> wiki pages are better for making sure stuff doesn't get lost
[11:24] <mdke> \sh, it is to a certain extent
[11:24] <Kamion> adomanski: you want to get developers' attention, you got to work *with* developers
[11:24] <mdke> different tools work for different things
[11:24] <Kamion> adomanski: and you're talking explicitly about third-party developers here.
[11:24] <Seveas> adomanski, if you want to involve users in development [11:24] <\sh> mdke: but wikis were invented as a idea well...scratch board for ideas and comments on this..
[11:25] <Kamion> Seveas: not if it's about fundamental bits of the OS
[11:25] <Seveas> Kamion, true
[11:25] <ogra> adomanski, you should just build a communication bridge to MOTU
[11:25] <Kamion> which IdeaPool often is
[11:25] <adomanski> Kamion: we need developers attention, sure. But I think users should give their ideas. Ubuntu is about users.
[11:25] <mako> alright
[11:25] <mako> lets move on
[11:25] <mako> kinjoo: hey, you had a subpoint
[11:25] <Kamion> adomanski: there is no point doing anything if you dismiss developers' needs, e.g. time constraints
[11:25] <mako> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JoshKress/PromotingUbuntu
[11:26] <ogra> Kamion, i thought for the fundamental things the udu wiki spec process was still the preferred way...
[11:26] <\sh> adomanski: that's what motus are for....listen to the users, improve ubuntu linux, and put it after some time to main views
[11:26] <Kamion> ogra: yeah
[11:26] <kinjoo> jo, we should discuss some promotion issuesa
[11:26] <ogra> so we alrady have such a process in place...
[11:26] <kinjoo> first of all how about a ml for those dicussions?
[11:26] <ogra> its just not used..
[11:26] <mako> kinjoo: yeah, lets do it
[11:26] <adomanski> \sh: Yeah nice. And users want to scratch down stugg.
[11:26] <adomanski> stuff
[11:26] <ubuntu_demon> regarding promotion .. I'm discussing an unofficial Ubuntu Commercial on the forums (see my wiki)
[11:27] <\sh> adomanski: yes...see wikipedia, or wiki.ubuntu...so many pages from plain users ...
[11:27] <kinjoo> then, how should deal with issues when collaborating with other projects?
[11:28] <kinjoo> as this includes the foundation obviously I can wait for this to settle down
[11:28] <Seveas> Another thing about promotion: is The Fridge ever going to happen?
[11:28] <ogra> Seveas, good question
[11:28] <adomanski> \sh: You guys are developers (I guess), _you_ can use mailing lists. Did you ever think about how complicated it is for a user to keep track of everything without knowing how mailing lists work? Does not seem so to me.
[11:29] <mako> kinjoo: yeah, to the continue the meeting
[11:29] <Seveas> adomanski, we have moved on already please discuss that in private
[11:29] <mdke> --> bed, night all
[11:29] <\sh> adomanski: lets take this to motu or somewhere else...:)
[11:29] <\sh> night mdke
[11:29] <adomanski> \sh alright
[11:29] <mako> kinjoo: to continue the whole "putting this offf"
[11:29] <ubuntu_demon> mdke: good night
[11:30] <mako> since this isn't a concrete proposal yet, it's probably best to put it off
[11:30] <mako> i think the thinking is good
[11:30] <kinjoo> ok, as soon as we have a ml for this, we can discuss that issues on that ml
[11:30] <\sh> mako: can I shortly interrupt with an important statement for channel ops?
[11:30] <mako> this is good thinking and writing.. but that makes sense
[11:30] <Kamion> so I think it's hard to answer the visibility of Canonical's logo stuff etc. until we have an idea what the Ubuntu Foundation's position is
[11:30] <mako> don't wait for the mailing lists
[11:30] <mako> please go ahead and use sounder for th is
[11:30] <mako> prove the need for the mailing list first
[11:31] <mako> there is nothing stopping you from going ahead with this n ow
[11:31] <kinjoo> mako ok!
[11:31] <mako> kinjoo: awesome :)
[11:31] <mako> kinjoo: thanks dude
[11:31] <mako> i can tell you've been thinking about this stuff
[11:31] <mako> and i appreciate the work and thought that you are putting into this
[11:31] <Seveas> yeah, sounder@ is a great place to get this thing started
[11:31] <mako> alright
[11:31] <mako> is there any other business
[11:31] <kinjoo> mako can we use #ubuntu-meeting as well as long as it is not used for meeting?
[11:31] <mako> IS THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS
[11:31] <\sh> yes
[11:32] <mako> kinjoo: yes, that's fine
[11:32] <ubuntu_demon> 1 question .. what is sounder ?
[11:32] <\sh> YES
[11:32] <Seveas> mako, yes, \sh wants :)
[11:32] <Seveas> ubuntu_demon, another mailinglist
[11:32] <mako> ubuntu_demon: it's the everything-is-on-topic list
[11:32] <\sh> ok....I know some channel mods/ops are listening now
[11:32] <Kamion> if you want to ask questions of Canonical about sponsorship and such, it's probably best to ask Canonical directly
[11:32] <mako> ubuntu_demon: mostly for social non-development or support issues
[11:32] <ubuntu_demon> ok thnx
[11:32] <mako> \sh: right
[11:32] <mako> \sh: go ahead
[11:32] <Kamion> mako: [email protected] would be the correct address for that, right?
[11:32] <\sh> We had some issues with "Logging ubuntu-Channels" without mentioning it in the topic for newbies
[11:32] <mako> yes
[11:32] <mako> email [email protected]
[11:33] <\sh> please put in your topics of all channels which are logged: "This Channel is Logged: Please visit <url here> for the log"
[11:33] <Seveas> \sh, includeing #ubuntu?
[11:33] <Seveas> The topic is crowded already there...
[11:33] <\sh> Seveas: including...(actually I don't know if it's written there)
[11:34] <Seveas> and for the locoteams locobot announces it
[11:34] <Seveas> locoteam-channels i mean
[11:34] <\sh> but this is really important...cause logging without knowledge of the user is not nice
[11:34] <Seveas> \sh, I disagree
[11:34] <\sh> Seveas: #ubuntu-de didn't
[11:34] <dholbach> nobody reads the topic
[11:34] <Seveas> IRC channels are always logged by clients
[11:34] <\sh> Seveas: but not on the web in public
[11:35] <Seveas> True, but I don't really see the need to abuse the topic for it...
[11:35] <Kamion> I really don't want something that verbose in #ubuntu-devel's topic; the space is valuable
[11:35] <Kamion> I wouldn't object to just the URL
[11:35] <Seveas> Kamion, just like in here :)
[11:35] <Seveas> that might be a good idea though
[11:35] <\sh> Kamion: ubuntu-devel is something special...but local ubuntu channels should mention it, cause they're not logged in that way like #ubuntu-meeting
[11:36] <\sh> or #ubuntu-devel
[11:36] <\sh> I don't mind...but some people are not writing good about it...and the written word is a strong weapon
[11:36] <Seveas> true
[11:37] <Seveas> since i'm the topic-gardener in #ubuntu anyway, I'll put it in
[11:37] <mako> so...
[11:37] <mako> Seveas: alright
[11:37] <\sh> or announce it every 4h with the log bot
[11:37] <Seveas> \sh, ewwwwwwwwwwww no
[11:37] <\sh> ,-)
[11:38] <Seveas> that's so friggen obnoxious
[11:38] <mako> more imporant in #u anyway
[11:38] <mako> alright
[11:38] <Kamion> right
[11:38] <smurfix> \sh: my bot sends a NOTICE to everybody when they enter a channel for the first time
[11:38] <mako> #u-d is a different crowd.. should know better
[11:38] <\sh> smurfix: actually not to rince :(
[11:38] <mako> ]
[11:38] <Seveas> Any other things..?
[11:39] <smurfix> \sh: I added that after he complained ...
[11:39] <mako> right
[11:39] <\sh> smurfix: u see ;)
[11:39] <mako> ANY OTHER BUSINESS...
[11:39] <mako> going once
[11:39] <mako> going twice...
[11:39] <Seveas> yes
[11:39] <Seveas> (kidding :))
[11:39] <mako> bastard
[11:39] <mako> GONE
[11:39] <mako> *gavel*
[11:39] <mako> Seveas: you had me there :)
[11:39] <mako> alright
[11:39] <mako> next meeting should be in two week
[11:39] <Seveas> 14:00 UTC?
[11:39] <mako> august 16
[11:39] <mako> 12:UTC i think
[11:39] <Kamion> I will not be at the next meeting; little teensy detail of being on honeymoon
[11:40] <Seveas> I'll update the wiki/topic in here
[11:40] <Seveas> ok 12:00 UTC
[11:40] <elmo> Kamion: slacker
[11:40] <mako> Kamion: unacceptable
[11:40] <\sh> Kamion: have fun dude :)
[11:40] <Kamion> :-)
[11:40] <mako> cool
[11:40] <ogra> Kamion, oh, already ?
[11:40] <Seveas> Kamion, congratulations
[11:40] <mako> mark should be able to make a UTC12 meeting
[11:40] <dholbach> :)
[11:40] <mako> alright everyone
[11:40] <mako> thanks for the stamina once again
[11:40] <Kamion> ta
[11:40] <\sh> Kamion: conrats btw...:)
[11:40] <\sh> +g
[11:40] <mako> or coffee
[11:40] <mako> better idea
[11:40] <ubuntu_demon> okay guys .. I'll try to be there next meeting
[11:41] <kinjoo> coffee? me too!
[11:41] <\sh> ok...gone to bed
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[12:38] <lamont__> jbailey: what determines what modules are loaded into the initrd?
[01:07] <infinity> lamont : Did you clean up ross?
[01:08] <infinity> lamont : I got a message from elmo last night that it was out of disk space; seems (more than) fine now..
[01:09] <elmo> [01-08-2005 09:46:18] SERVICE ALERT: ross;Disk Space of /;CRITICAL;HARD;3;DISK CRITICAL [39041 kB (3%) free on /dev/sda3]
[01:09] <elmo> I wasn't making it up :-P
[01:10] <infinity> I assume not. :)
[01:10] <infinity> Also, speaking of ross, it seems confused about SSH keys... Hrm.
[01:11] <elmo> yeah, it will be, it's hostname is fucked
[01:11] <infinity> I have 4 keys in LDAP (all show up in /var/lib/misc just fine, so ud-ldap is syncing okay), but I can only auth from one host, not the other.
[01:11] <elmo> try now
[01:11] <infinity> Oo. Much better.
[01:11] <infinity> Was it authenticating against the hdb.com stuff?
[01:12] <elmo> actually ross has done this for like the last 5 or 6 days in a row
[01:12] <elmo> i.e. dropped to 2-5% free at ~9am local
[01:12] <elmo> so whatever's happening then is Bad(tm)
[01:13] <infinity> Evil cronjob?
[01:13] <elmo> infinity: yah, if you find a buildd not called .buildd (in hostname -f), yell
[01:13] <infinity> Yeah, I think there are a few others that hate me. I'll loop through all 12 and see.
[01:17] <infinity> crested and floe seem to be the only other two.
[01:18] <infinity> 9am local, you say? Hrm.
[01:18] <elmo> fixed
[01:19] <infinity> The only possibly nasty cronjob I can see if the DI build (which shouldn't be nasty anyway) at 6:15...
[01:19] <infinity> I guess if it's going out of control, it could take 3 hours to fill the disks.
[01:19] <infinity> s/if the/is the/
[01:20] <elmo> I'm fairly sure the d-i daily build is finished well before then
[01:20] <elmo> is ross not live CD image builder?
[01:20] <infinity> Nope.
[01:20] <elmo> damn, that was my first thought
[01:20] <infinity> The LiveCD builds are commented out on ross.
[01:21] <elmo> acct's useless for this sort of thing - unless lamont knows, I guess we should cron some ps auxfw's
[01:53] <lamont> ross is d-i
[01:54] <lamont> hrm.. clearly someone cleaned it up
[01:54] <lamont> royal is livecd
[01:54] <infinity> Not I, and not elmo. That doesn't leave many options.
[01:54] <lamont> ross is d-i
[01:54] <lamont> hrm... is 23% atm
[01:54] <infinity> Yes, I noticed. :)
[01:54] <elmo> yeah, but somethings using 20% of 150Gb and it's not a package
[01:55] <elmo> and it's not d-i
[01:55] <infinity> So, there's a mystery process that eats the disk at 9am every day, and then happily cleans up after itself.
[01:55] <lamont> at 39MB, gcc-4.0 wins for logfile size
[01:55] <lamont> oh, joy.
[01:55] <lamont> 9AM DC time?
[01:55] <infinity> Yeah.
[01:55] <infinity> elmo : I would assume the majority of that 20% of 150GB is ccache.
[01:56] <infinity> We do have ungodly large caches.
[01:56] <elmo> ccache doesn't clean upitself ?
[01:56] <elmo> oh 23% USED?
[01:56] <infinity> Yes, 23% used.
[01:56] <elmo> so something is using 100Gb ... W_T_F?
[01:56] <infinity> Yeah, at 9am, something is eating 110GB.
[01:57] <infinity> Yum.
[01:57] <infinity> It is really at the same time every day, or just coincidentally rather close?
[01:58] <elmo> all between 9am and 10am
[01:58] <lamont> did tdb-dev finally show up (migrate to main)? or did bogofilter just pick a diff machine to annoy after 9:40?
[01:59] <lamont> elmo: that's bizare! and about 0300 for me.
[02:04] <infinity> Infinite loop in the find or checksecurity cron.daily jobs, perhaps?
[02:05] <infinity> They clean up after themselves, and couldtake 3 hours to build a 110 gig log file.
[06:40] <infinity> Oh well, halfway there.
[09:18] <doko> lamont: hppa is lacking libdb4.3, so python cannot be installed
[02:38] <lamont> infinity: yeah, I guess it would.
[02:38] <lamont> doko: correct
[06:34] <doko> laminity: please requeue: sigc jabberoo libgnomemm2.0
[06:34] <doko> lamont, infinity: ^^^
[07:22] <lamont> doko: on ppc?
[07:23] <doko> lamont: all
[07:23] <lamont> I only have logs for sigc/ppc and jabberoo/ppc.
[07:23] <lamont> I'll kick the others in a bit, when my meeting hits a break and I can type faster...
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2005-08-07-#ubuntu-motu
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[02:17] <majic> here is a rather dumb question, how can I download a source package from breezy to my hoary box? Do I need to add line to my /etc/apt/sources.list?
[02:18] <Lathiat> majic: you could add a breezy deb-src line
[02:18] <Nafallo> majic: yes. breezys deb-src.
[02:18] <Lathiat> and perhaps pin everythign to hoary and use apt-get -t breezy source <package>
[02:18] <Nafallo> hmm
[02:18] <majic> is there an easier way to do it? Like just going to a ftp site? I just need one source package
[02:18] <Nafallo> Lathiat: thanx ;-)
[02:18] <Lathiat> majic: sure you could fetch it off an ftp site
[02:18] <Lathiat> and then dpkg-source -x
[02:19] <Lathiat> probably easier just to add a breezy deb-src
[02:19] <Lathiat> apt-get sourc eit
[02:19] <Lathiat> and take the line back out again
[02:19] <Lathiat> :)
[02:19] <Nafallo> majic: http://archive.ubuntu.com
[02:19] <Nafallo> majic: saves your googling
[02:20] <majic> hmm, I've been all through archive.ubuntu.com and cannot find actual source packages
[02:21] <crimsun> majic: they're in the same location as the others
[02:21] <majic> where are the actual source packages stored?
[02:21] <Nafallo> majic: http://archive.ubuntu.com/pool/main/g/gaim for example
[02:21] <Nafallo> majic: .dsc .diff.gz .orig.tar.gz
[02:21] <majic> no wonder, I was not looking in pool... duh!
[02:21] <majic> silly me
[02:22] <Nafallo> Lathiat: thanx for -t, will save me apt-cache madison's ;-)
[02:25] <Lathiat> Nafallo: :)
[02:25] <majic> Nafallo, I appreciate that info
[02:27] <Nafallo> majic: no problem :-)
[02:29] <majic> here is a hypothetical question. Say for instance the Breezy Ruby 1.8.2 package works in Hoary with no ill effects, what is the process for getting that package backported to Hoary? Just curious about the process.
[02:29] <tseng> uh
[02:29] <tseng> we already did that
[02:29] <Lathiat> where is it?
[02:29] <Lathiat> i could do with that
[02:29] <tseng> its awaiting processing
[02:29] <Lathiat> ah neat
[02:29] <Lathiat> someone let me know when it ends up somewhere
[02:29] <Lathiat> :)
[02:29] <majic> ah, damn
[02:29] <majic> I'm building it now =/
[02:29] <majic> hehe
[02:30] <majic> anyway that's awesome news
[02:30] <Mez> Lathiat, majic we're waiting on elmo to shove it in backports
[02:30] <Lathiat> backports exists now?
[02:30] <Lathiat> cool
[02:30] <tseng> sure.
[02:30] <Mez> Lathiat, yeah has done for a while
[02:31] <Lathiat> anythign actually in it? :)
[02:31] <Lathiat> man im so asking for trouble
[02:31] <Lathiat> im currently running jfs and reiserfs on my laptop
[02:32] <Lathiat> ... neither has failed me so far. :)
[02:32] <majic> damn, here I was trying to fight for the fix for the ruby package and all I had to do was wait a little while longer... If I wasn't a complete n00b to packaging for Ubuntu I could have helped out more than just pissing on the mailing list and the bugzilla.
[02:32] <Lathiat> heh
[02:33] <sebest> Lathiat , all of this on top of lvm, itself on top of a soft raid 5 :)
[02:34] <Lathiat> well not in my case :)
[02:34] <Lathiat> im more worried about jfs than reiser
[02:34] <Lathiat> its gone through a few unclean shutdows too
[02:34] <Mez> majic, actually you "pissing" was what made us poke it into backports
[02:34] <Lathiat> seems to work
[02:34] <Lathiat> but my laptops install is currently on jfs because i felt liek doing somethign different :)
[02:35] <sebest> these days using ext2 is also being different :)
[02:35] <Lathiat> well i swear by ext3
[02:35] <Lathiat> never failed be once
[02:35] <Lathiat> but on less important things i like to play
[02:35] <majic> Mez, I wasn't trying to be like that though. I really was trying to help. I've been reading the damn debian maintainers guide all day
[02:35] <majic> hehe
[02:35] <sebest> the other day i had to use ext2r0, didn't know about it before
[02:35] <majic> it's gonna take a few more days before I can grasp all this stuff
[02:36] <Mez> majic: dont worry: It's nice to have something like that inb backports
[02:36] <Mez> means we are slightly worthwhile
[02:37] <majic> this is awesome news.
[02:47] <majic> so what's the best way to get into helping out with the Ubuntu development? Is it all about package maintaining, or is there other work that can be done?
[02:48] <crimsun> majic: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community
[02:52] <majic> thanks crimsun
[02:55] <crimsun> np
[02:56] <robitaille> majic: there is quite a few things you can do to help: write docs, answer questions of users, help with bug reports in either Malone or the Bugzilla. I'm still supposed to learn packaging one of these days, but other stuff keep taking up my time :)
[02:57] <majic> Great! Hey robitaille... I think I saw some of your blogs on planet.ubuntulinux.org =)
[02:59] <robitaille> yeah, I try to write the odd blog entry; haven't had so much interesting stuff to write about recently.
[03:00] <tseng> me neither
[03:03] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[03:03] <tseng> hi ajmitch
[03:04] <ajmitch> afternoon
[03:04] <tseng> robitaille: as a side note on that article, i more or less had to beat relevant parties into putting that info on the wiki
[03:04] <tseng> robitaille: it didnt just freely flow there.
[03:48] <whiprush> good luck on wednesday tseng.
[03:55] <majic> is there a site similar to gentoo-portage that tells what's new in the repositories?
[04:05] <bddebian> ajmitch: Any more word on the lib cxx trans issue?
[04:11] <ajmitch> bddebian: ?
[04:12] <bddebian> ajmitch: The whole c2 thing you discovered the other day? :-)
[04:13] <ajmitch> bddebian: you have any idea how much checking that will take? :)
[04:15] <bddebian> Nope, I'm clueless remember ;-)
[04:16] <ajmitch> bddebian: to do it properly would require looking at the installed headers of each of them
[04:17] <bddebian> Eeks
[04:25] <Amaranth> damn
[04:25] <Amaranth> i was just about to tell him the answer to his question
[05:20] <bddebian> How do you force the distribution to dput ?
[05:31] <gradzac> quick question on the UniverseUnmetDeps page...the goal is to recompile the package and then upload it to REVU? Do we want to add ubuntu to the version?
[05:33] <bddebian> Apparently they don't want them on REVU if I understand it. Just post the debdiff and any other related files somewhere and add a link to the wiki page
[05:37] <gradzac> ok, and someone will grab them and update the archive? Do I need to add ubuntu to the version?
[05:41] <bddebian> I think it depends on if you had to make any changes. If it built as-is, I would say no. But, be warned, I don't know much :-)
[05:42] <gradzac> niether do I :) at least as far as handling these packages for ubuntu is concerned
[05:50] <gradzac> bddebian: so if you are new to working on ubuntu, where did you start working?
[05:51] <bddebian> gradzac: I started fumbling around. :-) I added a new package to REVU, worked on UniverseUnmetDeps, then went to the merge stuff, and now trying to get back to UniverseUnmetDeps
[05:52] <gradzac> I figure I can work the unmet deps...it is right about my knowledge of making packages
[05:56] <gradzac> ok, so I just took a package I have worked with on debian....madman...and built it on ubuntu. So the build depends got updated and the version now has ubuntu1 on the end of it. If I throw this on my website can someone take a look?
[05:57] <bddebian> crimsun: What's the matter?
[05:57] <bddebian> gradzac: They "should" :-)
[05:57] <ajmitch> gradzac: we're just going to duplicate what you do, sinec we don't upload binary packages
[05:57] <crimsun> fixing vlc is a PITA
[05:57] <bddebian> crimsun: Ahh
[05:57] <crimsun> I've got it pbuilding, though
[05:58] <ajmitch> doing a rebuild is nothing more than tacking a build1 changelog entry on, and pushing it to tbe buildds
[06:01] <gradzac> ajmitch: ok, so just putting the package and my name on the wiki takes care of that...or something else (the wiki doesn't really say)
[06:02] <gradzac> sorry for my ignorance on this process...
[06:03] <bddebian> gradzac: afaik, only MOTUs can upload (which kicks it to the buildds).
[06:04] <gradzac> bddebian: I guess my main question is this....by working on the unmet dependencies am I saying "yes, I built this package on hoary using pbuilder and it worked fine, so send it to the buildd" or am I rebuilding the package and putting it somewhere for a MOTU to upload
[06:05] <bddebian> gradzac: Well you shouldn't be building it on hoary to begin with ;-)
[06:06] <gradzac> ok, breezy then :)
[06:06] <bddebian> gradzac: Ohh, hoary pbuilder. Is your pbuilder breezy?
[06:06] <bddebian> But essentially you are rebuilding the package and putting a debdiff somewhere for an MOTU to review, merge and upload
[06:06] <ajmitch> there's only going to be a debdiff if there are changes
[06:08] <bddebian> Aye, good point
[06:08] <bddebian> This is what I hate about this process. It is very poorly defined :-)
[06:09] <ajmitch> so write down some of what we tell you
[06:09] <ajmitch> since the process only develops as we get into it
[06:09] <bddebian> I get 10 different answers from 10 different MOTUs :-)
[06:09] <ajmitch> the MOTU team was only formed part-way through the hoary cycle
[06:10] <ajmitch> I was one of the early ones, and that was near the start of the year
[06:10] <gradzac> ajmitch: I'd like to update the wiki, once I make sure I understand the intent of the unmetdeps page
[06:10] <ajmitch> seems like a long time now, but it's only been a few months :)
[06:12] <gradzac> bddebian: my pbuilder is in the process of becoming breezy as we speak :)
[06:13] <ajmitch> gradzac: the purpose of the page is to tell us what doesn't install
[06:13] <ajmitch> we don't know what the problem is until we look at the package
[06:13] <ajmitch> it's usually just a rebuild
[06:14] <gradzac> ajmitch: understand on the rebuild...the package I am playing with built with no problem and just updated the build dependencies
[06:14] <ajmitch> ok
[06:14] <gradzac> ajmitch: when I put the package name on the page I'm saying, "this package is good to go", right?
[06:15] <ajmitch> things like updated build dependencies can be put somewhere
[06:15] <ajmitch> well, only if you marked it as that :)
[06:16] <gradzac> hmmm....so the packages that are listed on the page under "These need love" don't build on breezy?
[06:16] <bddebian> Damnit, why did dput put my package in incoming instead of breezy??
[06:16] <bddebian> gradzac: Yes
[06:16] <gradzac> *ding*, so the light comes on in my clouded mind....now I get it, sorry guys
[06:17] <ajmitch> UnmetDeps don't install
[06:17] <bddebian> gradzac: Well, don't install on breezy. They "might" build :-)
[06:17] <ajmitch> they usually build fine
[06:20] <gradzac> I need a machine with breezy installed to work on unmet deps
[06:20] <ajmitch> or a chroot
[06:20] <gradzac> well I have the pbuilder chroot
[06:20] <ajmitch> but yes, installation is what we're testing here
[06:21] <gradzac> is breezy equivalent to running unstable with debian?
[06:22] <schweeb> close to it, yes
[06:22] <schweeb> it tends to be more actively broken
[06:22] <bddebian> heh
[06:22] <gradzac> yeah, thats what I was worried about :)
[06:23] <ajmitch> debian unstable spreads out the breakage over a longer period
[06:24] <ajmitch> in a 6 month release cycle, we get a lot more fun
[06:24] <ajmitch> since things need to be done & tested in a shorted time
[06:24] <gradzac> the 6 month release cycle is one of the things that interested me about ubuntu in the first place
[06:24] <bddebian> Is that what you call it? :-)
[06:24] <gradzac> that and it installed *perfectly* on my new thinkpad
[06:25] <gradzac> not to knock sarge cause I think that would have installed fine as well
[06:28] <gradzac> ok, how do I make debdiff give me the diff format that people are posting on the unmetdeps page?
[06:29] <bddebian> debdiff <old>.dsc <new>.dsc
[06:30] <crimsun> gah
[06:30] <crimsun> vlc is going to ftbfs due to libpostproc-dev being in multiverse
[06:31] <bddebian> Doh
[06:33] <crimsun> I think I got around this by adding libavcodec-dev to build-conflicts
[06:37] <bddebian> Bah, I'm going to bed. Gnight folks
[06:37] <bddebian> Good luck gradzac :-)
[06:42] <gradzac> bddebian: thanks
[06:55] <gradzac> goodnight all...thanks for the patience with my questions
[08:56] <tseng> dudes
[08:56] <tseng> robot101 likes my dpatch post
[08:58] <sivang> tseng: what's robot101 ?
[08:58] <tseng> sivang: he ran debianplanet.net
[08:58] <sivang> tseng: ah, where can I read your dpatch post?
[08:58] <tseng> http://tseng.ath.cx/log/?p=7
[08:59] <sivang> tseng: hehe, I felt the same when I started munging with dpatch :)
[09:03] <sivang> tseng: nice post, are you still working on the new ubuntu new maintainer guide? :)
[09:03] <tseng> no, Unfrgiven is
[09:07] <Lathiat> heh cool i just figured out that alt+right click on a window brings up the metacity window
[09:07] <Lathiat> thats handy
[09:10] <Amaranth> Lathiat: heh, i figured that out when inkscape wanted to use alt
[09:27] <Lathiat> Amaranth: heh
[09:38] <tseng> what is this assigning bugs to MOTU business
[09:39] <Burgundavia> tseng, robitaille was doing that
[09:40] <tseng> im not sure how thats productive
[09:40] <tseng> probably going to make me procmail bugs to somewhere else
[09:40] <Treenaks> tseng: well, if they're assigned to MOTU, you get a list on your personal info page
[09:40] <Treenaks> tseng: on launchpad
[09:40] <tseng> meh.
[09:41] <tseng> i dont like working on random packages, i have plenty I "own"
[09:46] <tseng> Lathiat: i like alt+drag
[09:46] <tseng> Lathiat: easier on trackpad
[09:46] <Lathiat> tseng: yeh me too i use it *all* the time
[09:46] <Lathiat> also with shift
[09:46] <tseng> when im on windows
[09:46] <tseng> at work
[09:46] <tseng> i go nuts
[09:46] <Lathiat> yeh i do the same thing
[09:46] <Lathiat> it shits me all the time
[09:46] <tseng> whats shift
[09:46] <Lathiat> lines window borders up
[09:47] <tseng> oh, meh
[09:47] <Lathiat> and to the edge of the screen
[09:47] <robitaille> tseng: I had a quick discussion with ajmitch yesterday, and we agreed they should be assigned to motu, then they could be reassigned to individual people as needed. The problem is that as long as they are not assigned to anyone, these universe bugs seems to fall through the cracks
[09:48] <robitaille> and Malone problably have 400-500 universe bugs right now....
[11:35] <\sh> *grmpf*
[11:38] <Burgundavia> hmm?'
[02:59] <tseng> hi sivang
[03:04] <majic> good morning
[03:04] <majic> or afternoon
[03:52] <CarlFK> apt-get build-dep -b transcode "E: Build-dependencies for transcode could not be satisfied."
[03:53] <CarlFK> how do I get it to tell me why?
[03:54] <bddebian> Morning
[03:55] <CarlFK> 9am - yup.
[03:55] <bddebian> :-)
[04:05] <majic> morning
[04:10] <bddebian> Hello majic
[04:44] <thierry> where is the man page in a package?
[04:44] <thierry> like for ubuntu bug 12445
[05:04] <Mo42> hi all
[05:09] <bddebian> Hello Mo42, how's it coming?
[05:10] <Mo42> hi bddebian, quite well, thanks
[05:36] <bddebian> Heya highvoltage
[05:38] <Mo42> yay... another package less in the big unmet dependency list ;)
[05:39] <bddebian> Nice, good work :-)
[05:40] <Mo42> someone should look through the list of debdiffs and upload them... there are many debdiffs on that wikipage that have not been committed yet
[05:40] <bddebian> Mo42: You think? ;-)
[05:42] <Mo42> have your two debdiffs been comitted?
[05:43] <bddebian> Mo42: Not to my knowledge :-)
[05:44] <Mo42> that's what i meant... slomo also has several debdiffs... but he should get upload rights soon...
[05:44] <bddebian> Aye
[05:47] <bddebian> Who knows, maybe they'll be foolish enough to give me upload rights one day ;-)
[05:49] <Mo42> as far as i've heard you are doing a good job for the motu team...
[05:52] <bddebian> Mo42: I don't know who you have been talking to.. ;-P
[05:53] <majic> bddebian: how did you get started with MOTU?
[05:53] <Mo42> bddebian: i am talking to you
[05:54] <bddebian> Mo42: I meant I wouldn't know who would have told you that.. :-)
[05:54] <bddebian> majic: Someone suggested I check them out. I had long been considering trying to become a DD for Debian
[05:55] <Mo42> bddebian: someone said that in this channel yesterday (or the day before)...
[05:55] <bddebian> They must have been lying :-)
[05:56] <Mo42> according to what i have seen from you (some packages from the unmetdeps list, some packages on revu) that must be true
[05:57] <bddebian> Heh, thanks
[05:58] <Mo42> huh? now even my pbuilder does not want to create a new chroot because of unmet deps?
[05:59] <majic> bddebian: what I meant was, did you just start working on packages and then upload them somewhere? How does one break into Ubuntu development. I've looked at the participate page on the ubuntu website.
[06:01] <bddebian> majic: Luckily someone gave me a package they were working on to upload to REVU. If you want to help with unmet deps, you need to find somewhere you can dump your debdiffs or any other changes that you think are appropriate for an MOTU to review.
[06:01] <bddebian> Heya ogra
[06:01] <ogra> hmpf
[06:01] <bddebian> hmpf?
[06:02] <ogra> i'm looking at 1024x786 on my 1280x800 display... yes, hmpf....
[06:02] <majic> gotcha, I'm digging into the participate section on the website
[06:02] <bddebian> majic: If you want to package something new, add yourself to launchpad and REVU. Read about REVU, here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//REVU
[06:02] <bddebian> ogra: Ahh
[06:02] <ogra> <-- idiot ... upgraded X
[06:03] <majic> thanks bddebian, I'll bookmark that for now until I sift through all the information on the participate page
[06:03] <Mo42> ogra: i had the same problem when updated x
[06:03] <majic> < bddebian> majic: If you want to package something new, add yourself to
[06:03] <majic> launchpad and REVU. Read about REVU, here:
[06:03] <majic> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//REVU
[06:03] <majic> weird
[06:03] <bddebian> ??
[06:03] <majic> sorry, that shouldn't have happened
[06:04] <bddebian> :-)
[06:04] <ogra> Mo42, i have this every time i upgrade... thats why i normally dont upgrade X... :)
[06:04] <Mo42> ogra: then i did dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver and it worked again ;)
[06:04] <majic> I'm ssh'd into my home box and using putty, I didn't know when you select text and right click it pastes it =/
[06:04] <ogra> Mo42, but there was to much depending on the new libs...
[06:04] <Mo42> what's striking me now is that the v4l module seems to be missing...
[06:04] <ogra> Mo42, do you have a nvidia card with xga display ?
[06:04] <Mo42> that means no television ;)
[06:05] <ogra> s/xga/wxga
[06:05] <Mo42> no, ati 7200
[06:05] <ogra> happy you then :)
[06:06] <ogra> doesnt work for me... even grnerating a completely new file with dpkg-reconfigure -f noninteractive doesnt...
[06:06] <bddebian> majic: Yeah, I just learned that not too long ago too. Pretty nice eh? :-)
[06:06] <Mo42> btw: does someone know where the v4l-module has gone? i want to have my tv back ;)
[06:06] <ogra> so it looks like i'm doomed to a blurry streched screen
[06:08] <majic> bddebian: yeah, considering most ports are blocked where I work. So I get around that by ssh'ing to my home machine to get on IRC.
[06:08] <bddebian> :-)
[06:11] <bddebian> Yeah chillywilly but you're worthless..
[06:24] <bddebian> Hello siretart
[06:24] <siretart> huhu bddebian
[06:24] <Mo42> hi siretart
[06:24] <siretart> hi Mo42
[07:07] <Mo42> can someone help me with some c++ (gcc4) problem?
[07:08] <Mo42> i do not know c++ well enough but i want to fix a package...
[07:08] <Mo42> it says: error: cast from 'RS_Layer*' to 'int' loses precision
[07:10] <Mo42> the line in question is: os << " layer address: " << (int)(e.layer) << " ";
[07:16] <Mo42> okay, i think i have solved it myself...
[07:19] <siretart> Mo42: the problem is, that pointers are on 64 bit platforms like ia64 or amd64 are 64 bit wide. int is only 32bit. so it is very very evil to cast a pointer to int
[07:19] <siretart> Mo42: gcc4 finally prohibits this. this has the side effect, that broken source code won't compile anymore
[07:19] <Mo42> then my solution to cast it into a long is correct?
[07:20] <siretart> Mo42: that depends on the context. if in your example "os" is an standard output stream with operator<< overloaded correctly, I'd say yes
[07:20] <CarlFK> does apt-get build-dep get the dependencies from the repo, or do I need to install them first?
[07:21] <Mo42> okay, thanks
[07:21] <siretart> nm
[07:21] <siretart> CarlFK: apt-get build-dep tries to resolve build dependencies with your current apt configuration (based normally on /etc/apt/sources.list), so, yes
[07:22] <Mo42> siretart: how do i include the patch in my package? i have now just changed the source so that dpkg-buildpackage puts that into its global diff. is that the correct way?
[07:22] <CarlFK> siretart - yes to "get the dependencies" right?
[07:22] <siretart> Mo42: a way more easy approach is using dpatch. that way, updating to new upstream and reviewing work (hint, hint) is way more easy
[07:23] <Mo42> so i should change my package?
[07:23] <siretart> CarlFK: yes
[07:23] <majic> I've seen the term used a million times and I'm still trying to figure out what it means. What does the term "upstream" mean. (god, another n00b question) =)
[07:24] <siretart> Mo42: I don't know excactly what your package looks like, but generally, using dpatch is preferred. some reviewers even require that for sponsoring
[07:24] <jamessan|work> majic: the original author(s)
[07:24] <Mo42> majic: in this case, upstream means the authors of the software...
[07:24] <Mo42> i am working on the qcad package, so upstream means the qcad-authors
[07:25] <siretart> majic: Mo42's right. sometimes we also refer to debian, as they are also "upstream" in some way
[07:25] <jamessan|work> we're downstream from them in the process of getting the software to the users of Ubuntu.
[07:25] <majic> ah
[07:25] <majic> now that makes sense
[07:25] <Mo42> siretart: i know, i was just typing that as well, but you were faster ;)
[07:25] <siretart> hehe
[07:25] <Mo42> okay, so i will look at some dpatch tutorial ;)
[07:27] <tseng> you can try mine
[07:28] <jamessan|work> dpatch-edit-patch is your friend :)
[07:28] <tseng> http://tseng.ath.cx/log/?p=7
[07:28] <siretart> dpatch-edit-patch makes even an "autoreconf" or a relibtoolizing very convinient to manage
[07:29] <tseng> yes.
[07:29] <tseng> its brilliant
[07:29] <Mo42> i am reading your tutorial atm... great tut, thanks for that ;)
[07:30] <tseng> glad to help
[07:33] <majic> tseng: your little tutorial closes at least one more gapping hole in my understanding of debian packaging =) I really appreciate it.
[07:34] <tseng> great
[07:35] <Mo42> hmm... does not work.. dpatch-edit-patch quits with: make: no rule to make "unpatch". quits. (or something like that, i have translated the german message)
[07:36] <CarlFK> http://paste.foxshare.net:8888/33
[07:36] <tseng> yeah you need that rule
[07:36] <tseng> patch and unpatch
[07:37] <Mo42> ah... i have forgotten to put the include-dpatch-voodoo in my debian/rules.. is that the reason?
[07:38] <tseng> part of it
[07:38] <bddebian> Yeah, why isn't dpatch for dummies on wiki.ubuntu.com?? :-)
[07:38] <tseng> it is
[07:38] <bddebian> Oh
[07:38] <tseng> in a different version
[07:38] <tseng> hm but where
[07:38] <tseng> oh
[07:39] <tseng> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingTips?highlight=%28dpatch%29
[07:39] <bddebian> Ahh
[07:39] <Mo42> yay works now
[07:39] <Seveas> siretart, breezy-changes@ rss feed is created ;)
[07:40] <Seveas> thanks for the suggestion
[07:40] <siretart> Seveas: woah, great!
[07:40] <siretart> Seveas: where can I subscribe? ;)
[07:40] <Seveas> http://ubuntulinux.nl/files/breezy.xml
[07:41] <siretart> excellent
[07:41] <Seveas> still pretty ugly (changelog wrapped in <pre>) prettifying is next :)
[07:41] <siretart> is there any way to get that into firefox? (i'm quite a noob, you know)
[07:41] <Seveas> with sage (an extension)
[07:41] <siretart> hm
[07:42] <siretart> firefox has an built in rss reader, I'm using that for some newstickers..
[07:42] <tseng> blam.
[07:42] <Seveas> hmm, right, FF has that built in now :)
[07:42] <siretart> the call it "dynamic bookmark".. hm
[07:42] <Seveas> tseng, I would expect that from you as mono guy :)
[07:43] <tseng> yep
[07:43] <siretart> ok, I'll put that on my list
[07:43] <siretart> (managed by tomboy *g*)
[07:43] <Seveas> :)
[07:44] <bddebian> Anyone know why dput to my local repo puts a package to incoming instead of breezy?
[07:45] <tseng> breezy isnt a directory
[07:45] <tseng> on the real servers
[07:45] <tseng> everything goes to incoming/
[07:45] <bddebian> Hmm
[07:46] <tseng> and is processed from there
[07:47] <siretart> bddebian: the distribution is parsed from the changes file. debian uses this feature to distinguish uploads to experimental or unstable for example.
[07:49] <Mo42> yay, one more question:
[07:49] <Mo42> after changing so much, i think i should make a new ...ubuntux revision...
[07:50] <Mo42> the version is now 2.0.4.0-1-2build2.. to what should i change that?
[07:50] <Mo42> 2.0.4.0-1-2ubuntu1?
[07:51] <siretart> Mo42: if you work on a package, you have to make sure, the string ubuntu is included in the version string
[07:51] <Mo42> then 2.0.4.0-1-2ubuntu1 is the right decision?
[07:51] <siretart> Mo42: otherwise your changes would be automatically overwritten by autosync
[07:51] <siretart> Mo42: jes
[07:51] <siretart> yes. even
[07:52] <siretart> Mo42: is that an already existing package or is it NEW? the version number looks very akward
[07:53] <Mo42> it's the breezy qcad package i am working on
[07:53] <siretart> ok
[07:58] <Mo42> okay, i think that i am ready now, but could someone review that?
[08:08] <CarlFK> apt-get build-dep...." E: Build-dependencies for transcode could not be satisfied." http://paste.foxshare.net:8888/33
[08:09] <CarlFK> where do I go now?
[08:10] <Mo42> CarlFK: iirc is there no transcode in ubuntu atm...
[08:10] <CarlFK> right - I am trying to make it
[08:10] <Mo42> oh sorry..
[08:11] <CarlFK> no prob
[08:11] <Mo42> i misunderstood you
[08:12] <Mo42> grr... if my galeon would stop crashing all the time i would look at your page :(
[08:12] <Mo42> ahh... well, mozilla seems to be more stable on breezy...
[08:12] <bddebian> CarlFK: Try to do a dpkg-buildpackage or debuild and see which packages aren't being met and install manually install you find the failed one :-)
[08:13] <CarlFK> " see which packages aren't being met" isn't that what "libavifile-0.7-dev has broken dep on libavifile-0.7
[08:13] <Mo42> seems that libavifile needs some love, too ;)
[08:13] <CarlFK> tells me?
[08:14] <Mo42> my hint: try to fix libavifile, then continue with transcode..
[08:14] <bddebian> CarlFK: Make sure you have universe and multiverse repo's too. Sometimes packages can pop-up in unexpected places ;-)
[08:16] <CarlFK> I even have ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat
[08:17] <Mo42> the marillat packages are not very stable on ubuntu...
[08:19] <Mo42> do you plan to work on libavifile?
[08:19] <bddebian> libavifile-0.7c102 1:0.7.42.20050215-1
[08:20] <bddebian> apt-cache dump |grep libavifile is your friend ;-)
[08:20] <Mo42> well, i think that libavifile-0.7 is newer?
[08:20] <Mo42> and it replaces libavifile-0.7c102...
[08:20] <bddebian> No anything with c2 on the end should be a cxx transition
[08:21] <bddebian> Hmm, lemme look
[08:21] <Mo42> well, libavifile-0.7 is version 1:0.7.43.20050224-1ubuntu4
[08:21] <Mo42> Replaces: libavifile0.7, libavifile0.7c102, libavifile-0.7c102
[08:21] <CarlFK> I was hoping to get "something" to work, then I could work on improving it
[08:21] <bddebian> Mo42: You are right. That's funny though because the date string is newer.. Sheesh
[08:22] <bddebian> Damn, no it isn't. I cannot read
[08:23] <ogra> bddebian, so your X is broken too ?
[08:23] <ogra> :)
[08:24] <bddebian> ogra: No, I just SUCK.. :'-(
[08:25] <ogra> i whish we could change... being a sucker is better then having to read blurry fonts and get a headache
[08:26] <bddebian> No, not sucker, I suck.. Meaning I'm useless. :-(
[08:26] <bddebian> :-)
[08:26] <ogra> :)
[08:26] <CarlFK> so did anyone have something for me to try, or do I post this somewhere
[08:27] <bddebian> CarlFK: What does libavifile-0.7-dev depend on that's missing?
[08:27] <CarlFK> um, how do I tell?
[08:27] <bddebian> CarlFK: apt-get install libafile... ?
[08:30] <CarlFK> "libavifile-0.7-dev: Depends: libavifile-0.7 (= 1:0.7.43.20050224-1ubuntu4)"
[08:31] <CarlFK> what is the = 1:0.7.... ?
[08:31] <CarlFK> here is the whole thing: http://paste.foxshare.net:8888/34
[08:31] <bddebian> Version dependency I think but don't quote me
[08:33] <Amaranth> isn't that an epoch thingy?
[08:33] <CarlFK> who is epoch? ;)
[08:33] <bddebian> CarlFK: What do you get if you apt-get install libavifile-0.7 ?
[08:33] <CarlFK> this: http://paste.foxshare.net:8888/34
[08:34] <Mo42> i think that problem is because of the "Conflicts: libavifile-0.7c102 (<= 1:0.7.42.20050215-1), libavifile-0.7" in libavifile-0.7-dev
[08:34] <bddebian> CarlFK: No, not the -dev, just libavifile-0.7 ?
[08:35] <bddebian> Mo42: Right now I am just guessing that -dev just needs a rebuild
[08:35] <CarlFK> bddebian - middle: root@cp600:~ # apt-get install libavifile-0.7
[08:35] <bddebian> CarlFK: Heh, whoops, sorry. So it installed?
[08:35] <CarlFK> what is "needs a rebuild" ?
[08:35] <bddebian> CarlFK: Just a "repackage"
[08:35] <CarlFK> it is now - no help
[08:36] <Mo42> who wants to do that? CarlFK? if not, i could look at that in a few hours or tomorrow or so...
[08:36] <bddebian> dpkg-buildpacke or debuild
[08:36] <bddebian> We really need some clueful people around here. ;-)
[08:36] <CarlFK> indeed! ;)
[08:37] <Mo42> btw: what happens to all the debdiffs on UniverseUnmetDeps?
[08:38] <bddebian> Mo42: They should get reviewed by an MOTU and uploaded
[08:40] <Mo42> if i finally get my qcat package right some time ;)
[08:40] <CarlFK> apt-get build-dep libavifile-0.7 = http://paste.foxshare.net:8888/35
[08:40] <CarlFK> do I want to do that?
[08:40] <CarlFK> or should I do this on a "scratch box" that I can rebuild tonight
[08:41] <CarlFK> I can answer that: yes ;)
[08:41] <bddebian> CarlFK: You got no choice if you want to build it :-)
[08:50] <comadreja> hello my friends
[08:52] <comadreja> seems like everybody is on holidays :)
[08:54] <siretart> or very busy :(
[08:54] <siretart> hi comadreja
[08:54] <comadreja> hello siretart, nice to see you
[08:55] <comadreja> I've seen your uploads
[08:55] <comadreja> you are indeed busy :)
[08:55] <siretart> sorry, I'm busy with my thesis
[08:55] <comadreja> oops
[08:55] <siretart> I'm overdue..
[08:55] <comadreja> good luck then
[08:56] <siretart> thanks
[08:57] <herve> hello
[08:58] <bddebian> Heya herve
[08:58] <bddebian> Hello comadreja
[08:58] <bddebian> comadreja: Hey, what do you mean everyone is on holiday??? :-)
[08:58] <herve> I knew it if I was on holidays...
[09:00] <Mo42> if somebody knows how to work with dpatch: what am i doing wrong?
[09:01] <Mo42> my patch does not get applied...
[09:01] <Mo42> my patch is in debian/patches/01gcc4.dpatch...
[09:01] <bddebian> Mo42: What package?
[09:01] <herve> is it listed in debian/patches/00list ?
[09:01] <Mo42> the build target depends on patch
[09:01] <Mo42> oh...
[09:02] <herve> have you added the targets in your rules file?
[09:02] <bddebian> herve: Ahh, you beat me to it :-)
[09:02] <Mo42> that's what i forgot ;) thanks ;)
[09:02] <herve> bddebian, extracted from my personal FAQ ;-)
[09:02] <bddebian> heh
[09:02] <Mo42> bddebian: still working on qcad, since my first debdiff does not work (i thought it would :( )
[09:04] <bddebian> Ahh
[09:04] <bddebian> wb ogra
[09:05] <Mo42> the sad thing is that my problems are all mentioned in tseng's tutorial... seems that i am reading too fast :(
[09:05] <ogra> X !
[09:05] <siretart> hi ogra.
[09:05] <siretart> what is with X?
[09:06] <ogra> it was broken lie hell here...
[09:06] <ogra> like even
[09:06] <bddebian> was? So you fixed it?
[09:06] <herve> mine gave a blank screen but rebooting with kernel 2.6.12-5 fixed it
[09:07] <ogra> bddebian, yesss
[09:07] <comadreja> mine doesn't let me switch to console
[09:07] <Mo42> and i am still missing the v4l module for x :(
[09:07] <herve> comadreja, i810 chipset?
[09:07] <comadreja> yep
[09:08] <herve> it's a bug in the driver initialization
[09:08] <herve> it won't restore text mode
[09:08] <herve> but it's fixed upstream
[09:08] <herve> the console still works though
[09:08] <comadreja> herve : cool, at least is only a matter of time
[09:08] <ogra> the prob with my hardware is that either X is to dumb or the flatpanel doesnt give the data correctly... so i end up with a resolution of 1024x786 on a 1280x800 screen... the fonts kill your eyes after 10min
[09:09] <comadreja> ogra, do you have the sync lines ? if so try removing them
[09:09] <ogra> it works now...
[09:09] <ogra> i took the config from a liveCD
[09:10] <ogra> (with a fixed modeline that works)
[09:10] <comadreja> cool :)
[09:18] <\sh> evening
[09:18] <herve> yo
[09:19] <bddebian> \sh!
[09:19] <bddebian> CarlFK: \sh is DA MAN if you have more questions ;-)
[09:20] <comadreja> hello \sh :D
[09:20] <comadreja> I've been busy lately too
[09:21] <\sh> I'm just burned out..that's all trying to fuel up again :)
[09:21] <comadreja> I've been programming in python like 18 hours a day
[09:21] <comadreja> I need to refuel too
[09:21] <herve> nice, comadreja!
[09:21] <comadreja> python is soooo great
[09:22] <\sh> yes it is..
[09:24] <Mo42> btw: did someone tried to compile qt things in pbuilder lately?
[09:25] <\sh> aehm....kdenetwork yes
[09:25] <\sh> Mo42: what's up with it?
[09:25] <Mo42> i have the problem that it does always say "Session management error: Could not open network socket"
[09:26] <\sh> oh...uic?
[09:26] <Mo42> and before that it waits a second or so... without using cpu oder disk or whatever... that makes compiling damn slow
[09:26] <\sh> that's normal...forget about it
[09:26] <Mo42> yes... uic
[09:26] <\sh> i think uic tries to open a socket to the x server
[09:27] <Mo42> how can i avoid that?
[09:27] <\sh> u can't
[09:27] <\sh> pbuilder doesn't have the possibility to access your X server at ll
[09:27] <\sh> +a
[09:28] <Mo42> but can i speed that up somehow?
[09:29] <\sh> hmm....faster CPU? ;)
[09:29] <\sh> no I don't think u can speed it up
[09:29] <\sh> or you find a solution to let pbuilder access your x server
[09:30] <Mo42> well, my average cpu is at 20-30% while compiling...
[09:31] <\sh> Mo42: c++ was always slower then C compiling
[09:31] <Mo42> yea, i know... but uic always waits _without_ using my cpu
[09:32] <Mo42> it just waits for a network connection...
[09:32] <\sh> Mo42: yes...and that's a disadvantage of uic
[09:34] <Mo42> YEAH... my qcad package finally works.... with all dependencies and everything ;)))
[09:35] <bddebian> Mo42: Awesome, good job
[09:36] <Mo42> could someone please review http://ubuntu.mobr.de/sources/debdiffs/qcad_2.0.4.0-1-2ubuntu1.debdiff ?
[09:38] <\sh> Mo42: please adjust xlibs-dev build-dep....apt-cache show xlibs-dev and there is the description
[09:39] <Mo42> hehe... that was nothing that i have changed.... but i will do that...
[09:40] <\sh> Mo42: and for what do u need cdbs?
[09:40] <Mo42> oups
[09:40] <Mo42> okay, that's my fault ;)
[09:41] <bddebian> Mo42: See, told you all that \sh was DA MAN :-)
[09:41] <Mo42> how do i know which -dev packages i need to depend on? instead of xlibs-dev?
[09:42] <Mo42> bddebian: now i know why ;)
[09:43] <Mo42> \sh: doesn't libqt3-dev depend on anything i need?
[09:43] <ogra> Mo42, check it ;)
[09:44] <ogra> Mo42, apt-cache depends libqt3-dev
[09:44] <Mo42> hehe... i will try if it compiles in pbuilder without the xlibs-dev dependency...
[09:44] <\sh> why not libqt3-mt-dev?
[09:45] <Mo42> \sh: thats what i meant
[09:45] <bddebian> I don't think you have a choice do you?
[09:45] <\sh> Mo42: no...u should adjust the xlibs-dev dep
[09:45] <bddebian> Oh.. Heh
[09:45] <\sh> it means replace it with the mentioned one in the description of xlibs-dev
[09:46] <Mo42> well, it mentions 12 different -dev packages..
[09:46] <Mo42> which do i need? and which one is not needed? who can i find it out?
[09:47] <Mo42> i guess it is either libx11-dev or x-dev....
[09:48] <\sh> ok...dinner time :)
[09:49] <Mo42> okay... anyone else who knows which xlib-dev packages qcad should build-depend on?
[09:49] <\sh> try libx11-dev first
[09:50] <Mo42> thanks!
[10:02] <Mo42> btw: is there an amd64 user with breezy here?
[10:26] <siretart> re
[10:27] <herve> hi siretart
[10:27] <Mo42> wb siretart
[10:27] <\sh> siretart: meeting
[10:28] <siretart> \sh: woah, thanks. motu-meeting, I assume, is it?
[10:28] <\sh> no..CC
[10:28] <\sh> motu is tomorrow 22:00 UTC
[10:28] <siretart> aah, ok, thanks again
[10:29] <Mo42> \sh: fixed all your issues. do you think it's okay now? (http://ubuntu.mobr.de/sources/debdiffs/qcad_2.0.4.0-1-2ubuntu1.debdiff)
[10:29] <\sh> Mo42: after the meeting thx :)
[10:29] <Mo42> okay.. sure..
[10:32] <Mo42> CarlFK: do you still work on libavifile?
[10:44] <infinito> hi everyone
[10:45] <infinito> \sh: are u here?
[10:45] <\sh> meeting
[10:45] <infinito> \sh: sorry...
[10:46] <\sh> infinito: please join #ubuntu-meeting to know how membership applications are working :)
[10:47] <\sh> listen :)
[10:47] <\sh> read :)
[10:47] <infinito> \sh: ok ;)
[10:47] <\sh> and no technical questions :) it's a nono ;)
[10:48] <infinito> \sh: i'll keep shut up ;)
[10:51] <bddebian> There is a meeting again tomorrow?? Yikes
[10:51] <\sh> bddebian: motu meeting tomorrow..please attend...
[10:52] <bddebian> \sh: Why, I am not ready. :-)
[10:52] <\sh> bddebian: it's motu meeting...not TB
[10:52] <bddebian> Ohhh
[10:52] <\sh> bddebian: and u belong to the motu
[10:52] <bddebian> Well in that case I'm not an MOTU.. ;-P
[10:52] <crimsun> tech board's not til the 9th, bddebian
[10:53] <bddebian> Thx crimsun
[10:53] <\sh> bddebian: come on..the title is not important
[10:53] <bddebian> \sh: I know, I'm joking with you.
[10:53] <\sh> the upload rights are not important
[10:53] <\sh> bddebian: ok...:)
[10:53] <crimsun> the work speaks for itself
[10:54] <\sh> crimsun: correct
[10:54] <bddebian> Well then I'm definetly in trouble. ;-)
[10:54] <\sh> bddebian: since u joined, u r in trouble ;)
[10:54] <bddebian> Aye, hehe
[10:56] <infinito> hey... gcfilms was updated today on debian sid, maybe u people can take a look at it....
[10:56] <bddebian> Aren't we in UVF?
[10:57] <siretart> yes, but we also accept new version for important fixees
[10:57] <bddebian> Ah, OK
[10:57] <dholbach> hi
[10:57] <bddebian> Welcom dholbach
[10:57] <siretart> huhu dholbach
[10:57] <dholbach> hellas bddebian
[10:57] <bddebian> Err welcome even
[10:57] <\sh> siretart: new packages
[10:58] <Mo42> btw: is the motu meeting something for me too or is it for people who are more involved in the motu project?
[10:58] <crimsun> hey dholbach
[10:58] <Mo42> hi dholbach
[10:58] <\sh> Mo42: yes
[10:58] <siretart> \sh: I don't really see problems with new packages in universe. since they are leaf nodes of the dependency, they wouldn't destabilize universe
[10:58] <dholbach> Mo42: it's interesting for everybody and if you have suggestions, we'll hear you out
[10:59] <dholbach> hi daniel
[10:59] <\sh> siretart: so lets sync with debian for gcfilms
[10:59] <Mo42> okay, thanks ;) then i will be there too...
[11:00] <infinito> siretart: i agree with \sh ;)
[11:00] <siretart> okay, so somebody set it on MOTUToSync
[11:00] <\sh> infinito: do it yourself, put a "++ from StephanHermann" to it
[11:01] <infinito> \sh: on MOTUToSync i supposse....
[11:01] <bddebian> Sheesh, this place is starting to feel like my RL job. Meetings, meetings, meetings.. ;-P
[11:01] <\sh> infinito: yes
[11:01] <dholbach> :)
[11:02] <\sh> bddebian: community work is hard stuff...believe me :)
[11:02] <bddebian> :-)
[11:02] <dholbach> it's charming and no work at all :)
[11:03] <dholbach> :-)
[11:03] <dholbach> should we add common discussions and packaging practices to the motu meeting as well?
[11:03] <bddebian> Sure
[11:04] <dholbach> on REVU there are some things people take for granted, which imho are not
[11:04] <dholbach> although this will be more like flaming
[11:04] <bddebian> Why?
[11:04] <dholbach> because there are so many different opinions, and all of them hold a bit of truth :)
[11:05] <infinito> \sh: done, thanks!
[11:05] <dholbach> and i'm not sure, if we should have a motu packaging policy
[11:05] <dholbach> better not :)
[11:06] <bddebian> dholbach: I think we should at least have guidelines. Not that my opinions mean much :-)
[11:06] <\sh> dholbach: sure
[11:06] <dholbach> \sh: sure what? :)
[11:06] <dholbach> \sh: MORE RULES? :)
[11:06] <siretart> ah, just don't forget your asbestos, so flames are not an issue anymore ;)
[11:06] <bddebian> heh
[11:07] <\sh> dholbach: hehe...actually even the quality of debian is getting worse :(
[11:07] <\sh> dholbach: so we should have some quality standards
[11:07] <dholbach> we do and our package reviews are quite anal sometimes - which is ok with me
[11:07] <\sh> ah adomanski welcome :)
[11:07] <majic> is there a place to see what's pending inclusion into backports? I heard the ruby package was backported, I don't see it yet in the repo.
[11:07] <\sh> dholbach: even for syncs ;)
[11:07] <dholbach> but sometimes, the "rules" are a bit strange
[11:07] <adomanski> hi guys
[11:08] <dholbach> hi adomanski :)
[11:08] <dholbach> nice to have you here
[11:08] <bddebian> Hello adomanski
[11:10] <\sh> dholbach: well..we should document our work better...and when I see some cdbs stuff...terrible ;)
[11:11] <dholbach> added my thought to MOTUMeeting
[11:14] <jbailey> \sh: cdbs is good for you. =)
[11:15] <\sh> jbailey: I'm doing debhelper+cdbs+plain makefiles all together *lol*
[11:21] <herve> night all
[11:21] <herve> hey dholbach!
[11:21] <dholbach> hey herve!
[11:21] <dholbach> ARG
[11:21] <bddebian> Bye herve... :(
[11:21] <dholbach> that herve
[11:21] <dholbach> just too fast
[11:23] <bddebian> Well I suppose I better head home also
[11:25] <Mo42> how can i use universe packages in pbuilder? it always sets my sources.list to main only...
[11:25] <dholbach> Mo42: did you explicitly follow PbuilderHowto on the wiki?
[11:25] <bddebian> Mo42: Update your pbuilder sources.list
[11:26] <dholbach> Mo42: and sudo pbuilder create breezy afterwards (or update)
[11:26] <bddebian> Aye
[11:29] <Mo42> oh, i have not set my APTCONFDIR...
[11:29] <dholbach> ahh alright :)
[11:29] <Mo42> dholbach: thanks for the hint to the wiki page ;)
[11:29] <dholbach> de rien
[11:29] <bddebian> Bah, daniels hates me too
[11:30] <dholbach> oh noooooooooooooo
[11:30] <dholbach> bddebian: i don't think so
[11:30] <dholbach> who hates you?
[11:30] <bddebian> dholbach: tseng, daniels, infinity, possibly seth_k.. ;-P
[11:30] <dholbach> bddebian: you're seeing things
[11:30] <dholbach> honestly :)
[11:31] <dholbach> said that, i DON'T hate you :)
[11:31] <bddebian> Well I am pretty annoying :-)
[11:31] <ogra> dholbach, pretender
[11:31] <dholbach> you're not, we're having people which are annoying
[11:31] <dholbach> ogra: man, what's wrong with you? :)
[11:31] <ogra> *g*
[11:32] <bddebian> Heh. Alright gents, catch you in a few.
[11:32] <bddebian> Heh, thx
[11:41] <\sh> ok..I'm off to bed...
[11:41] <\sh> night guys
[11:42] <Mo42> \sh: did you look at my qcad changes?
[11:42] <siretart> gn8 foks
[11:42] <dholbach> bye siretart
[11:42] <dholbach> bye \sh_away
[11:42] <siretart> by dholbach
[11:42] <Mo42> gn8 \sh and siretart
[11:50] <ajmitch> morning
[11:50] <dholbach> andrew!
[11:51] <ajmitch> daniel!
[11:58] <sistpoty> hi all
[11:58] <ajmitch> hi
[11:58] <majic> hello sistpoty
[11:58] <dholbach> hey stefan
[12:00] <sistpoty> is CC meeting now?
[12:00] <dholbach> it's over :(
[12:01] <sistpoty> damn, got my calender wrong *g*
[12:01] <dholbach> but if you wait 24h you're JUST IN TIME for the motu meeting ;)(
[12:01] <sistpoty> ah... at least this calendar entry is correct :)
[12:01] <dholbach> sistpoty: i import the .ics file from wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar
[12:02] <sistpoty> ah... that's nice :)
[12:07] <dholbach> robitaille rocks :)
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2005-08-07-#ubuntu-kernel
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[12:17] <infinity> lamont : If you're planning on doing a -6.7 release (and hey, you won't see me complaining about someone else doing it), hold off, I need to test a ppc64 patch and get it in.
[12:18] <lamont__> infinity: targetting tonight late to start test builds
[12:19] <lamont__> as in, somewhere before 0500 UTC or so
[12:19] <infinity> Hrm, that'll be a tight squeeze, but I'll see what I can do.
[12:19] <infinity> Otherwise, I'll just have to followup with a release with one change. ;)
[12:21] <lamont__> well, mostly it's because I want to go to sleep... worst case, I'll dump doing the test builds and upload on you
[12:27] <infinity> Sleep? Pfft.
[12:28] <lamont__> hehe
[12:29] <infinity> Can someone explain to me why onoffice.org2 has suddently started depending on a full build environment?
[12:30] <infinity> openoffice, too.
[12:31] <lamont__> because they will ruin your life
[12:32] <infinity> Seriously, a dist-upgrade on my laptop wants to install like 5 compilers and a bunch of dev libs.
[12:34] <lamont__> infinity: just wait - they're bootstrapping i386/amd64 biarch, which will churn things a bit
[12:39] <doko> infinity: openoffice? no
[12:56] <zul> lamont, : 686 built without a problem
[12:58] <lamont__> zul: coolness
[12:58] <zul> you can get from my arch to test if you wish
[02:00] <lamont> zul: OK. But that'll be in several hours.
[02:05] <zul> morning
[02:07] <chmj> morning chuck
[02:20] <zul> morning charles
[05:21] <zul> so lively
[05:22] <zul> lamont: is the build going on?
[05:23] <lamont> zul: I went to bed, still waiting for jbailey and infinity
[05:24] <zul> okie dokie
[06:42] <zul> ummm...ok http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12739
[09:00] <jbailey> lamont: Oy.
[09:02] <jbailey> lamont: My patch seems to work so far.
[09:03] <jbailey> I need to do two more tests, and then do I hand it to you?
[09:32] <lamont> jbailey: yeah. or you can commit it to the playground...
[09:32] <jbailey> lamont: Does that mean learning enough baz to do that?
[09:34] <lamont> hehe
[09:34] <lamont> just give me the patch
[09:35] <lamont> jbailey: oh - btw, how does mkinitrd decide what modules to put in the initrd it's building?
[09:35] <lamont> currently loaded modules? hw lists? what?
[09:35] <jbailey> in MODULES=dep mode, or MODULES=most ?
[09:35] <lamont> both
[09:40] <jbailey> Hmm.
[09:40] <jbailey> Excellent question.
[09:43] <jbailey> initramfs-tools is going to just walk the /sys tree on the local machine.
[09:43] <jbailey> most will just include a list of modules that I specify.
[09:46] <jbailey> lamont: Do you have a particular problem you're trying to solve?
[10:03] <lamont> answering a question for support types...
[10:04] <lamont> I think that answers the question
[10:27] <lamont> infinity: did you have kernel patches for me?
[10:27] <lamont> jbailey: so =most is really =dep + jbailey's list?
[10:28] <jbailey> On initramfs, yes.
[10:28] <jbailey> On initrd it seems to calculate it. Following it involves following the rabbit through the file descriptor maze.
[10:29] <lamont> hehe
[10:32] <lamont> hoary (and sarge) use initrd, yes?
[10:32] <jbailey> Yes
[10:32] <lamont> was really just wondering if =most was a superset of =dep, or if it was "just this list, kthxbye"
[10:33] <lamont> for initrd :-(
[10:33] <jbailey> Oh. yes.
[10:33] <jbailey> That's an easier answer. =)
[10:34] <jbailey> most)
[10:34] <jbailey> add_modules_most
[10:34] <jbailey> add_modules_dep maybe
[10:34] <jbailey> ;;
[10:34] <jbailey> dep)
[10:34] <jbailey> add_modules_dep
[10:34] <jbailey> ;;
[10:34] <lamont> lol
[10:34] <lamont> btw, ext2_fs.h sucks
[10:35] <lamont> (debian, that is...)
[10:35] <lamont> the boot loader portion of palo still needs love.
[10:36] <lamont> jbailey: and "calculate" == ?? just wondering what sorts of things... 30000 ft handwaving answer is ok
[10:45] <jbailey> calculate?
[10:45] <jbailey> I don't see that in the script or the manpage.
On initrd it seems to calculate it. Following it involves following the rabbit through the file descriptor maze.
[10:53] <jbailey> add_modules_dep calculates the modules list somehow.
[10:53] <jbailey> But I don't see at a glance how it calculates it.
[10:53] <lamont> ok. no hints on what it uses as inputs either, eh?
[10:53] <lamont> bummer
[11:01] <lamont> jbailey: initramfs-tools is for grub2, or just a simple dropin replacement/upgrade to initrd?
[11:01] <jbailey> replacement for initrd
[11:01] <lamont> woot
[11:01] <jbailey> This acpi patch I think is my last major blocker for making it default
[11:01] <lamont> nearly done? or what's the status?
[11:01] <lamont> ah, ok
[11:01] <jbailey> (I found a slight bug that I want to fix. Will test again tomorrow since it takes a while to build)
[11:02] <lamont> that's the kernel patch you have for me?
[11:02] <lamont> or what's that status atm?
[11:50] <jbailey> lamont: No
[11:50] <jbailey> Yes, that's the patch I'm working on.
[11:50] <lamont> ok
[11:50] <jbailey> It doesn't support the old style initrd DSDT.
[11:50] <jbailey> It ought to, so it'll just be a slight bug.
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2005-08-07-#ubuntu-artwork
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[12:38] <lukacu> hello andy ... anything new with the humility icons?
[12:39] <AndyFitz> yes, GonzO committed alot of changes. now we have nice sharp pixel versions !
[12:40] <AndyFitz> and I'm almost free to do some more icon work after this week !
[12:41] <lukacu> ql ... one more thing: i wrote you a personal email a couple of days ago ... in case you did not see it or forgot to reply
[12:41] <ogra> lukacu, a new package will hit breezy tomorrow
[12:42] <lukacu> thanks for the info ogra ... i will update it
[12:42] <AndyFitz> occy, thanks for joining the list
[01:01] <occy> AndyFitz, np.
[01:24] <lukacu> good night @ all
[03:10] <snivitz0> Does anyone know how to make Nautilus windows transparent?
[04:10] <occy> any of you guys do GFX on a laptop?
[04:10] <occy> and if so, what sort of input devices do you use/recommend?
[04:12] <occy> I was thinking it would be super cool to have one of the TrackPoint type (Think IBM ThinkPad) devices on a small USB mouse. It would simply stick out of your USB port and have the pointer with two buttons on it.
[04:12] <occy> heh
[04:12] <occy> I thought for sure I saw one of these somewhere, but can't remember where.
[04:12] <occy> The touchpad sucks for doing GFX.
[04:13] <occy> http://www.usbgeek.com/prod_detail.php?prod_id=0256
[04:13] <occy> this has a nice price on it... and looks like it'd be somewhat usable.
[04:14] <occy> $12 (US) and doesn't need batteries
[04:14] <occy> heh
[04:15] <occy> no lag and such. (only wireless experience I've had was with a bluetooth wireless with a powerbook and the lag was unbearable)
[04:15] <occy> http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/EN,CRID=2150,CONTENTID=5006
[12:28] <miketech> Hi
[05:29] <occy> Does anything go on here?
[06:13] <lukacu> occy: it is like this most of the time ... peaceful and quiet ;)
[07:02] <occy> heh
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| 2005-08-07T00:00:00 |
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2005-08-07-#ubuntu-doc
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[04:13] <Madpilot> anyone around?
[04:14] <robitaille> yes
[04:14] <HrdwrBoB> kinda
[04:17] <Madpilot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowComeDraft <-- rob^ & I have been working on this - I think it's ready to go out in place of the existing HowCome
[04:17] <Madpilot> thoughts?
[04:17] <Madpilot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome <-- the original, in all it's messy glory
[04:18] <HrdwrBoB> t a way to link to something aside from the actual ISOs - discovering that a 500Mb+ file is coming down might be a bit of a shock to some people, but the main Download page is too vague right now - Madpilot
[04:19] <HrdwrBoB> ^ maybe there needs to be a LiveCDHowto wiki
[04:19] <robitaille> there is still a "TODO" section (How did Ubuntu start), so maybe it's not ready just yet :)
[04:20] <Madpilot> meh, forgot the TODO - is there a 'history of Mark, Canonical & Ubuntu' somewhere we can crib from?
[04:20] <Madpilot> LiveCDHowTo - there's already a burning ISO page whch is linked to from HowComeDraft
[04:22] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[04:22] <robitaille> Madpilot: wikipedia for historical background? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Linux
[04:23] <Madpilot> robitaille: excellent - and with wikipedia's license, we can even use that stuff directly (not all of it tho)
[08:01] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, see the GettingUbuntu page
[08:01] <Burgundavia> link to that
[08:02] <Madpilot> slow channel, isn't it?
[08:03] <Burgundavia> yes
[08:03] <Burgundavia> just got home from gaming
[08:03] <Burgundavia> my char died
[08:06] <Madpilot> in a good & dramatic way, or did he/she fall in front of a wagon?
[08:07] <Burgundavia> a good and dramatic way
[08:07] <Madpilot> well, good.
[08:08] <Madpilot> like one char of mine who was beaten to death with his own left arm, which had been ripped off by a large monster?
[09:31] <rob^> bbbr
[09:31] <rob^> its so cold today
[09:33] <Burgundavia> how cold is cold?
[09:34] <rob^> 22C
[09:35] <Madpilot> that's cold? man, where do you live?
[09:35] <rob^> North Queenslad
[09:35] <rob^> *land
[09:35] <robitaille> 22C == perfect temperature for me. (I don't like cold nor warm weather)
[09:36] <rob^> its been raining today too
[09:36] <Madpilot> 22 is OK. it was up to about 26 today, that was nice
[09:36] <rob^> 26 is nice
[09:37] <Madpilot> but now it's down to about 16 - and I still have the back door wide open - nice cool night
[09:41] <Madpilot> heh. Oz has all the toxic critters ever invented, but the locals are scared of a bit of cool temps?
[09:41] <rob^> you are if your a north queenslander
[09:41] <rob^> 16 is unheard of
[09:46] <rob^> does ie5.x and moin not agree or something? I've been playing with moin and it looks good with all graphics in FF 1.0.6 but at work there are no images..
[09:46] <Burgundavia> wouldn't be surprised
[09:46] <Burgundavia> ie is not the target audience for moin
[09:47] <rob^> no
[09:47] <rob^> but the ubuntu wiki works fine however
[09:48] <Madpilot> good to know.
[09:48] <Madpilot> I'd like to have an "IE emulator" to test pages in - it's crap, but it's widespread crap and your website better work in it...
[09:48] <Burgundavia> would be nice
[09:49] <Burgundavia> the wine people are the ones to go for that
[09:49] <rob^> umm wine
[09:49] <rob^> it works
[09:49] <Madpilot> does IE6 work in WINE? had heard that it didn't
[09:49] <rob^> yep
[09:49] <robitaille> I thought you could run IE in wine.
[09:49] <rob^> i have
[09:49] <rob^> eTax too
[09:50] <rob^> 6.0.2800.1106
[09:50] <Madpilot> OK, cool. might have to get wine working & *cough*borrow*cough* a copy of IE...
[09:50] <rob^> ie that is
[09:50] <rob^> nah, you can download it
[09:50] <Burgundavia> you can get wine off of the ms website
[09:51] <Burgundavia> s/wine/ie
[09:51] <rob^> hehe
[09:51] <Madpilot> yeah, I'd forgotten that. will have to add wine to my list of projects...
[09:51] <rob^> yep, sure as pie, moin doesn't work in IE6 but works fine in FF 1.0.6
[09:53] <rob^> thats odd.. one attachment pic works
[09:53] <rob^> but the outputted source from ie doesn't include any image links..
[09:53] <rob^> :(
[09:54] <Madpilot> isn't IE6 fun? it can't even support the very basic CSS1 entirely
[10:08] <froud> mdke: are there any kubuntu apps being localized in Rosetta?
[10:32] <mdke> froud, everything should be there
[10:47] <rob^> Madpilot, yep
[10:47] <froud> mdke: but are they doing Kubuntu there?
[10:47] <froud> I dont see anything Kubuntu
[10:47] <froud> but then I am not familiar with Rosetta
[10:47] <mdke> better ask
[10:47] <mdke> i don't see it either
[10:47] <mdke> anything with po files in the source packages in the Ubuntu archive get's uploaded into rosetta
[10:47] <froud> Hmm and no body on kubuntu-devel seems to now
[10:47] <froud> s/now/know
[10:47] <mdke> actually I see it
[10:47] <mdke> its there
[10:47] <froud> it is ?
[10:47] <mdke> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/kaffeine/+pots/kaffeine/
[10:47] <froud> OK so then the pots will make it in
[10:47] <mdke> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/kompose/+pots/kompose/
[10:47] <mdke> anything in main which has the correct structure with pots in makes it into rosetta
[10:47] <mdke> anything else, we can add by hand
[10:47] <froud> k
[12:16] <jsgotangco> hey all
[12:16] <Madpilot> hi
[12:17] <mdke> yo
[12:17] <Madpilot> hey, there are ppl here.
[12:17] <jsgotangco> mdke: hey long time no chat
[12:17] <jsgotangco> Madpilot: heh...it just happened that my internet access is going bonkers lately
[12:19] <Madpilot> wow - fun attack on the main #ubuntu channel. f*cking idiots...
[02:04] <froud> mdke: @#kubuntu-devel [11:17] <Riddell> froud: not yet, hopefully it'll happen before breezy
[02:40] <mdke> froud, its happening already for many packages, as I showed you
[02:41] <froud> yep yep
[02:41] <froud> just want to say that Riddell is on it :-)
[03:01] <mpt> It's not for the reason that's in the help :-x
[04:17] <mgalvin> hi all
[05:30] <mpt> hi mgalvin
[07:56] <mdke> anyone figure out why there are weird characters on the docteam server hosted docs? or is it just me... http://65.19.178.132/gnome/faqi386/C/
[07:58] <venda> its not just you
[07:59] <venda> but the problem does not exist at lnix.net/~froud
[07:59] <mdke> no
[07:59] <mdke> nor at any other server I've checked
[07:59] <venda> so I suspect a CSS bug again
[07:59] <mdke> don't think so... the gnome docs are ok on tseng's server and rob^'s server
[07:59] <mdke> it must be something wrong with the locale or something
[08:00] <venda> r they using the same css
[08:01] <mdke> yes
[08:01] <venda> so what's different
[08:01] <mdke> the server
[08:01] <venda> nah it cant be apache
[08:01] <mdke> y not?
[08:02] <venda> apache does nothing to the files
[08:02] <venda> just serves them
[08:02] <venda> no?
[08:03] <mdke> maybe its using the wrong locale or something
[08:05] <jjesse> where are you gettign wierd characters?
[08:05] <jjesse> i'm not seeing any
[08:05] <mdke> on that link, e.g. after the Copyright where the c should be
[08:05] <mdke> all over the place
[08:06] <mdke> at the top and bottom of the page too
[08:07] <mdke> jjesse, you don't get em?
[08:09] <mgalvin> eww, i see them too
[08:09] <mdke> mgalvin, any ideas what might be causing that?
[08:10] <mgalvin> hmm, they are in the source too it seems (view source in ff) did someone open this in some stanger editor that modified the file format?
[08:11] <mdke> mgalvin, no, it only happens on that server
[08:12] <mgalvin> can you view the file itself on the server in like vi or something, does it look ok?
[08:12] <mdke> the html file?
[08:12] <mdke> i'll try that...
[08:12] <mgalvin> yea
[08:12] <mdke> i'm waiting for it to reboot
[08:12] <mgalvin> k
[08:12] <mdke> jeez it had better not change ip
[08:13] <mgalvin> hehehe
[08:13] <froud> :-)
[08:13] <mdke> that would be crazy tho
[08:14] <mdke> grrr
[08:14] <mdke> where has it gone
[08:17] <mgalvin> when i open the html in gedit it looks fine, opening it in vi shows those odd chars
[08:17] <mgalvin> if that helps at all
[08:17] <mgalvin> it seems the file itself my be corrupt
[08:17] <mgalvin> slightly
[08:18] <mgalvin> or the build created the html weird, possibly
[08:18] <mdke> that's more likely imho
[08:18] <mdke> anyhow, the server has disappeared now
[08:18] <mdke> :/
[08:18] <mgalvin> lol
[08:19] <venda> :-)
[08:27] <mdke> bbl, will chase the damn server up
[11:23] <judax> Hi all, back from Holiday, finally
[11:23] <mdke> wb :)
[11:23] <judax> thx
[11:23] <mdke> good luck catching up on the ML
[11:23] <judax> no kidding, almost 200 mails
[11:23] <Burgundavia> heh
[11:35] <highvolt1ge> hmmm... how does that happen.
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[12:00] <Trunks> i have no idea what im doing lol
[12:00] <Trunks> i stuck in the 98 boot disk
[12:00] <vader1102> Seveas: heheh I am getting better lol
[12:01] <vader1102> then when it boots, go to the E drive and look in there to see if there is a way to do it
[12:01] <ubuntu> Seveas: would static be better if you didn't want the programe being install to interfear with an expermental system
[12:01] <sorush21> hi
[12:01] <ubuntu> like it would be more self contained
[12:01] <Trunks> i also have a hdd with ubuntu installed on it but it wont load to my other comp
[12:01] <Seveas> ubuntu, makes little difference
[12:01] <DPadclear> I'm getting an error with dpkg "dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `fuse' in statusoverride file" Does anyone know how to fix or where to begin?
[12:02] <Seveas> it won't change the libraries
[12:02] <skalpel> is there a way i can make nicotine remember it's window size and position when i close and restart it, does anyone know?
[12:02] <Seveas> DPadclear, what are you trying to install?
[12:02] <vader1102> Trunks: don't know what to tell you there buddy
[12:02] <Cin> what's the equivilent to Xclients (redhat) to ubuntu?
[12:03] <sorush21> I need for something like this to happen everytime I send a file to printed... this is because my printer is crap and can't do it everytime.. this is what happens in windows, everytime I print something some command like this occures... can anyone help me automate this in Ubuntu too... here is the command.. cat sihp1000.img > /dev/usb/lp0
[12:03] <DPadclear> Seveas, monopod (a checkinstall deb of the tarball)
[12:03] <Geist|Patrick> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/881 still there
[12:03] <Seveas> cin, what does Xclients do?
[12:03] <Geist|Patrick> :(
[12:03] <Seveas> DPadclear, hmm, I suggest simply installing into /usr/local since checkinstall may have failed you here...
[12:04] <D1> are there any ubuntu tools for gamma correction?
[12:04] <Cin> it's the config file thing that x uses when it starts
[12:04] <topyli> DPadclear: did you build this package on this system or did you get it from someone else?
[12:04] <Cin> so i can config it to use windowmaker :$]
[12:04] <DPadclear> topyli, I built the package.
[12:04] <linukso> sorush21: is that an image you are trying to print? cat'ing it would just dump the raw binary data to the printer, which would lead to .... crap
[12:04] <chris_> hey guys, I broke my gnome-panel (the top one), I accidentally deleted the "applications", "system tools" etc thing, and how do not know I add it again - any ideas? :\
[12:04] <Seveas> Cin, ah that, you simply need to create a .desktop file for iy
[12:04] <Seveas> it*
[12:05] <tiglionabbit> mah printer doesn't work
[12:05] <Seveas> D1, there is at least one for ati cards
[12:05] <DPadclear> Seveas, I don't think checkinstall failed. I a previous program install (fuse-utils) junked up dpkg.
[12:05] <tiglionabbit> it wont print any text. It prints images just fine, but pretends all the text was never there
[12:05] <Cin> Seveas, do you have a tut or something for ubuntu of how to do this?
[12:05] <Cin> all i can find is redhat
[12:05] <topyli> DPadclear: on the same system? then you might want to file a checkinstall bug (not in ubuntu bugzilla though)
[12:05] <Geist|Patrick> gn8
[12:05] <Nevado> chris_, right click on the panel and select 'add', then choose the 'main menu' or 'menu bar' can't remember which
[12:05] <Seveas> Cin, sorry, no
[12:05] <linukso> Cin: If you install wmaker you should be able to select it from the session menu in gdm
[12:06] <Seveas> DPadclear, then purge that program and reinstall it
[12:06] <Seveas> linukso, ghe, that makes it even easier :)
[12:06] <DPadclear> topyli, no-no I was getting the same error when trying to do an apt-get upgrade.
[12:06] <Cin> linukso, session menu?
[12:06] <Seveas> Cin, yes
[12:06] <linukso> '
[12:06] <chris_> oh dear, thanks, I just saw the first one, clicked it, and didn't think there could be another one.. :)
[12:06] <sun_> how do i watch wmv on ubuntu?
[12:06] <Cin> *windows user* please explain brief?
[12:06] <linukso> Cin: assuming you are using gdm, and not startx from console...
[12:07] <Cin> aye..
[12:07] <DPadclear> Seveas, I did remove the program. I think it left something in either dpkg or apts setup files (Hence, an unknown group named "fuse")
[12:07] <topyli> DPadclear: try purge as suggested
[12:07] <Cin> gdm the thing that automatically starts it when i boot ubuntu?
[12:07] <Seveas> DPadclear, you should purge it
[12:07] <sun_> how do i watch wmv on ubuntu?
[12:07] <linukso> Cin: yes :)
[12:07] <Seveas> dpkg -p fuse-utils or aptitude purge fuse-utils
[12:07] <Seveas> sun_: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[12:07] <linukso> Cin: right underneath where you type in you login name
[12:07] <Cin> how do i config gdm?
[12:07] <Cin> mhm
[12:08] <Cin> ahh
[12:08] <Cin> i'll have a see then!
[12:09] <DPadclear> Seveas and topyli: Thanks (sudo dpkg --purge fuse-utils && sudo dpkg -i monopod_0.4-1_i386.deb).
[12:09] <sorush21> linukso, yes.. its what I've been told here http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-LaserJet_1000 and I have no reall choice.. it works.. and it prints but the problem is that there is no other form of communication it seemes between the printer and the computer... for example when the printer has finished the job the computer does not know to remove the printer job away form the printing quee. it just sits the
[12:09] <guillaume__> does someone have an ipod 20 Gb ?
[12:09] <topyli> DPadclear: works? good
[12:09] <guillaume__> the ipod doesnt appear in /dev ....
[12:09] <mebaran151_> do you guys thing 15 GB is enough for root
[12:10] <Seveas> mebaran151_, it is
[12:10] <dArtagnan> depends on what you want to do with it, but generally it is
[12:10] <linukso> sorush21: sorry, don't think I can help you...
[12:10] <mebaran151_> I am going to run a couple servers off it
[12:10] <Echelon-H> why is there no php5 for ubuntu?
[12:10] <mebaran151_> Echelon-H: because php is crap ;p
[12:10] <Echelon-H> mebaran151_, i hope you're not being serious.
[12:10] <mebaran151_> jk
[12:11] <mebaran151_> Echelon-H: jk, though I dont like it myself
[12:11] <topyli> mebaran151_: my _big_ installation is about 3.9G
[12:11] <Echelon-H> mebaran151_, whatever.
[12:11] <topyli> mebaran151_: the system
[12:11] <Echelon-H> anyways, you got a clue?
[12:11] <Seveas> Echelon-H, there is
[12:11] <mebaran151_> Echelon-H: I just like to do things OOP style
[12:11] <mebaran151_> and php makes that difficult
[12:11] <Seveas> mebaran151_, php5 has much better OOP :)
[12:11] <mebaran151_> some of the syntax is inelegant
[12:11] <Echelon-H> mebaran151_, php5 = oop
[12:11] <mebaran151_> Seveas: oh really?
[12:11] <saintFrance> wats a good media player that plays everything for ubuntu??
[12:11] <Seveas> Echelon-H, breezy has php5
[12:12] <Nomad_1> Does anyone here have any experience with WINE and 3dsmax5, 6, or 7
[12:12] <mebaran151_> I might look into it then
[12:12] <linukso> saintFrance: totem
[12:12] <Cin> heyy
[12:12] <Echelon-H> Seveas, arrg... I can't wait till ovtober.
[12:12] <Cin> sored!!
[12:12] <Echelon-H> *october.
[12:12] <Seveas> for hoary: look at people.debian.org/~dexter
[12:12] <Seveas> Echelon-H, ^---
[12:12] <Cin> :p
[12:12] <mebaran151_> Nomad_1: I think Maya and 3dsMax make a Linux native version
[12:12] <linukso> saintFrance: just make shure you get gstreamer-ffmpeg from universe or multiverse
[12:12] <topyli> mebaran151_: a server should fit in well under 2G. the data goes on other partitions
[12:12] <Echelon-H> Seveas, k
[12:12] <Cin> maya definatley have a linux version
[12:12] <mebaran151_> topyli: well I dont usually split var off
[12:12] <Nomad_1> mebran151: But I don't have the money to buy another copy of it.
[12:12] <mebaran151_> though I really should
[12:12] <prodigy> how do I install Gartoon for Ubuntu?
[12:13] <mebaran151_> Nomad_1: I remember 3dsMax being willing to trade
[12:13] <mebaran151_> this was awhile back
[12:13] <topyli> mebaran151_: however you best like it :)
[12:13] <linukso> Cin: do you really enjoy the wmaker interface?
[12:13] <renatohe> Hi. I am new to ubuntu. I must be blind because I cannot find in the system an application for reading and recording CD/DVDs. I have a superdrive on a power-pc platform.
[12:13] <mebaran151_> topyli: what would be really nice
[12:13] <mebaran151_> would be if I could use LVM
[12:13] <Nevado> prodigy, sudo apt-get install gnome-icon-theme-gartoon
[12:13] <Echelon-H> Seveas, there are all sorts of versions. anyways, is it worth installing it anyway? I mean, don't i need to reconfigure manually some stuff?
[12:13] <prodigy> thanks
[12:13] <Cin> aye, i prefer it to gnome style
[12:14] <mebaran151_> if you symlink from var/www to a different partition
[12:14] <Madpilot> renatohe: Nautilus - the default file manager - will burn most things
[12:14] <mebaran151_> can you do that
[12:14] <topyli> mebaran151_: yes
[12:14] <mebaran151_> I would think a chroot might get in the way
[12:14] <renatohe> Thanks, Madpilot
[12:14] <linukso> Cin: half you screen estate wasted on gigant icons, and uber-cheezy window borders...
[12:14] <Madpilot> renatohe: and anything Nautilus can't burn, you can install Gnomebaker or K3B for
[12:14] <linukso> Cin: Are you using any of the gnustep apps to?
[12:14] <mebaran151_> like I have a big partition for assorted media I could put a www folder too
[12:14] <mebaran151_> to
[12:15] <mebaran151_> I could do a bind mount too!
[12:15] <equex> lol ATI's site crashes my firefox
[12:15] <Cin> lol, my borders look small, i like the icons displaying cpu speed etc, looks orderly
[12:15] <mebaran151_> is LVM supposed to constantly crash during install
[12:15] <Nomad_1> mebran151: The windows version of 3dsmax is my backup incase it doesn't work out trying to move my modeling over to Linux. I wouldn't feel comfortable giving it up.
[12:15] <jmanns> can someone please help me recover my gnome desktop?
[12:15] <mebaran151_> Nomad_1: I think they go either way
[12:15] <mebaran151_> if you pay postage
[12:16] <mebaran151_> like you can send your Linux disk in for a Windows disk
[12:16] <mebaran151_> or a Windows disk in for a Linux disk
[12:16] <ubuntu> Seveas: ah i see why the give you the static deb
[12:16] <mebaran151_> kind of like what MakeMusic did for PC and Mac
[12:16] <guney_> hi there
[12:16] <guney_> i am newbie ubuntu
[12:16] <Seveas> guney_, welcome aboard!
[12:16] <ubuntu> Seveas: so you don't have any dependency problem
[12:16] <mebaran151_> Nomad_1: huh?
[12:16] <Nomad_1> That solution seems worse than trying to run 3dsmax under a windows emulator.
[12:16] <guney_> using hoary 5.04
[12:16] <topyli> guney_: welcome, o freedom lover!
[12:17] <mebaran151_> Nomad_1: a windows emulator is going to lose you performance
[12:17] <ubuntu> Seveas: all good sudo apt-get install -f ;)
[12:17] <Cin> lol
[12:17] <ubuntu> :D
[12:17] <guney_> i have a problem
[12:17] <mebaran151_> a tiny bit
[12:17] <linukso> Cin: I have tried windowmaker several times, but I never get used to is... especially the gnustep apps. Gnustep might be this great technology, but the gui just look dreadful...
[12:17] <guney_> i couldnt install mono
[12:18] <linukso> guney_: sudo aptitude install mono
[12:18] <mebaran151_> linukso: I think the gui looks bad because all teh NextStep developers went to work on the Aqua GUI
[12:18] <Nomad_1> mebaran151: Even with an Athlon64 3200+, 2gigs DDR, and Radeon 9600XT 256mb? setup?
[12:18] <topyli> linukso: it does doesn't it. :-) it's very usable though
[12:18] <skalpel> can someone help me with this error message?
[12:18] <skalpel> E: Couldn't find package sun-j2re1.5
[12:18] <mjr> Gnustep is nice mostly because it makes porting from MacOS X / Cocoa easier
[12:18] <mebaran151_> Nomad_1: it wont be unbearable
[12:18] <Cin> i don't tend to do much flicking through applications
[12:18] <Thewarmachine> out of curiosity what is a really good linux virus scanner
[12:18] <guney_> but where from?
[12:18] <Jemt> What is the difference between apt-get and aptitude ?
[12:18] <topyli> Thewarmachine: what is a really good linux virus?
[12:18] <mebaran151_> just emulating a complex program like that might be hard
[12:19] <linukso> mjr: So I have heard, but have you ever seen anything coming that way?
[12:19] <Seveas> Jemt, apt-get is the classic way, aptitude is better
[12:19] <Thewarmachine> topyli lol
[12:19] <mebaran151_> topyli: why do you want to know that .....
[12:19] <dArtagnan> skalpel, enabled the universe and multiverse packages?
[12:19] <Nomad_1> mebaran151: I think trying something like WINE might be a good idea. If only as a demo to see if the emulation idea is doable.
[12:19] <topyli> mebaran151_: just rhetorical
[12:19] <Seveas> guney_, you need to enable backports to egt mono
[12:19] <mebaran151_> Nomad_1: decent idea
[12:19] <Seveas> !backports
[12:19] <ubotu> somebody said backports was .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[12:19] <mebaran151_> it might just be a little bit of work
[12:19] <jowi> Jemt, aptitude and synaptics are front-ends for apt
[12:19] <skalpel> dartagnan: yes i believe so. where is the conf file again? i will doublecheck
[12:19] <Jemt> Seveas: Better in what way ?
[12:19] <mjr> linukso, no :)
[12:19] <saintFrance> where do i get codecs and what not for the totem media player
[12:19] <saintFrance> ?
[12:19] <Seveas> Jemt, aptitude is better when it comes to advanced uses
[12:20] <dArtagnan> skalpel, deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[12:20] <mebaran151_> !Restricted
[12:20] <ubotu> methinks restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:20] <dArtagnan> add that one
[12:20] <guney_> ok i'll try
[12:20] <Jemt> Seveas: Why ?
[12:20] <linukso> mjr: my point exactly :)
[12:20] <saintFrance> !codec
[12:20] <ubotu> saintFrance: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[12:20] <saintFrance> !codecs
[12:20] <Thewarmachine> so, how about the virus scanner.... anyone recommend a good one
[12:20] <ubotu> I heard codecs is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:20] <Seveas> Jemt, read the manpages for apt-get and aptitude to discover the differences :)
[12:20] <mebaran151_> !!
[12:20] <ubotu> hmm... ! is what u add before a sentence to talk to me
[12:20] <skalpel> dartagnan: can you tell me where the conf file is? i forget
[12:20] <linukso> mjr: maybe iTunes could be ported to objC and gnustep :D
[12:20] <Jemt> Seveas: If it's just a front-end to apt-get, apt-get would be the advanced users choice I guess
[12:20] <Nevado> !hello
[12:20] <ubotu> Nevado: I don't know
[12:20] <topyli> Thewarmachine: i used to run f-secure's scanner but it's very much non-free
[12:20] <mebaran151_> doesnt aptitude have a font end
[12:21] <Seveas> Jemt, apt-get and aptitude are both frontends for libapt
[12:21] <mebaran151_> any of you have LVM working at the moment
[12:21] <linukso> Thewarmachine: clamav, if you need one
[12:21] <Jemt> Seveas: Ok, ic.
[12:21] <Nevado> mebaran151_, synaptic
[12:21] <Seveas> aptitude has a nice ncurses interface too :)
[12:21] <topyli> Thewarmachine: then i realized i only have one windows client and decided to install the scanner on that :-)
[12:21] <Nomad_1> Time to go. Thanks for your time mebaran151
[12:21] <mebaran151_> clamav is pretty good; they keep up to date
[12:22] <mebaran151_> anyone here LVM exerpts?
[12:22] <Cin> i'm curious as to how much ram usage difference there is between WindowMaker and KDE/Gnome
[12:22] <linukso> Thewarmachine: If your machine is just a standalone pc, and not i.ex. a mailserver for windows machines, you really don't need one.
[12:22] <mebaran151_> eperts
[12:22] <mebaran151_> experts
[12:22] <Jemt> Am I the only one having problems with XMMS? It freezes when I try to play a mp3 file
[12:22] <Nevado> does clamav automatically scan files as you open them?
[12:22] <Seveas> Jemt: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound
[12:22] <mebaran151_> Jemt: mie seg faults
[12:22] <topyli> mebaran151_: sure aptitude has a gui. just run it without arguments and you get the nice curses ui
[12:22] <vagamente> how can i watch .mov file?
[12:22] <Seveas> Nevado, thank god no
[12:22] <mebaran151_> topyli: yeah
[12:22] <Cin> what's the command for the task viewer
[12:22] <linukso> Cin: tons, but once you load your first real app, the advantage will be gone :)
[12:22] <Seveas> !quicktime
[12:22] <ubotu> somebody said quicktime was read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about quicktime support
[12:22] <Cin> in shell
[12:22] <mebaran151_> I never knew you could run it with arguments
[12:22] <Jemt> Seveas: Oh, okay. Thanks alot :)
[12:22] <Jemt> mebaran151_: Thanks too
[12:23] <linukso> Cin: top
[12:23] <Seveas> Cin, top
[12:23] <Seveas> vagamente, read what ubotu said
[12:23] <mebaran151_> Seveas: you can configure it to scan your email
[12:23] <Cin> ahh thanks
[12:23] <MartenH> I'm trying to use xawtv and gqcam ot get my cam working but it wont. They keep telling me /dev/video doesn't exist...
[12:23] <mebaran151_> I think ClamAV has a plugin for that
[12:23] <mebaran151_> MartenH: do you have the modules loaded
[12:23] <MartenH> mebaran151_, i belive so. I find running ov511 which I belive is for my cam
[12:23] <mebaran151_> for your particular camera
[12:24] <mebaran151_> ov511
[12:24] <Cin> ta
[12:24] <topyli> amavis will use most any scanner as a plugin
[12:24] <arbir> hello all
[12:24] <linukso> ello!
[12:24] <Nevado> in firefox does anyone know how to do an "i'm feeling lucky" search in the quicksearch box thingy?
[12:24] <mebaran151_> !lvm
[12:24] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, mebaran151_
[12:24] <Cin> i am thinkings my switch from windows to linux was a gudden!
[12:24] <mebaran151_> !LVM
[12:24] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, mebaran151_
[12:24] <mebaran151_> !logical
[12:24] <ubotu> mebaran151_: Are you smoking crack?
[12:24] <mebaran151_> damnit, the bot doesnt know
[12:24] <MartenH> I'm not following you mebaran151_ ?
[12:24] <Seveas> mebaran151_, stop playing with it...
[12:25] <Seveas> use private messages
[12:25] <mebaran151_> oh whoops, sorry
[12:25] <guney_> to install mono, which backport should i add list?
[12:25] <Seveas> !backports
[12:25] <ubotu> [backports] .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[12:26] <mebaran151_> do you know guys know where I could find a good guide as to how to set up LVM
[12:26] <Mez> grr @ me highlighting backports
[12:26] <Seveas> hehe
[12:26] <JaZy84> hey guys i have 4.10 and i want to upgrade to 5.04
[12:26] <linukso> mebaran151_: gentoo-wiki.com
[12:26] <JaZy84> can i just add the repos?
[12:27] <Seveas> JaZy84: One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[12:27] <mebaran151_> linukso: yeah
[12:27] <mebaran151_> I use them alot
[12:27] <Seveas> JaZy84, use that command :)
[12:27] <arbir> guney_: i am also trying to intall mono
[12:27] <mebaran151_> the Ubuntu Wiki is not so hardcore as the Gentoo one
[12:27] <mebaran151_> it is fabulous
[12:27] <JaZy84> ty
[12:27] <Seveas> Ubuntu is not so hardcore as Gentoo
[12:27] <Seveas> :)
[12:27] <arbir> where is the ServerName directive on apache.. i am not able to figure it out. can anybody help me. here is my log --> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/882
[12:28] <Cin> if top's the console version, what's the command to execute GUI version...?
[12:28] <mebaran151_> i tried Gentoo
[12:28] <yonil> full screen mode doesnt work with any game (it just stays the same size, with a black bg to the entire screen). anyone knows why ?
[12:28] <andril> hello all
[12:28] <mebaran151_> but all the seconds I saved in optimized programs loading
[12:28] <mebaran151_> was lost in compiling everything
[12:28] <linukso> Ubuntu leaves more time for doing other things that compiling and configuring...
[12:28] <mebaran151_> learned alot though
[12:28] <andril> does anyone know how to remove Logos from wallpapers?
[12:28] <Seveas> arbir, that is not an error, you can ignore it
[12:28] <dArtagnan> arbir, you have to set ServerName ;)
[12:29] <Snufj> mmm i could better put an ignore on join and leave notices i guess..
[12:29] <mattt> i love gentoo, but i do agree that it's a very time-consuming distro.
[12:29] <dArtagnan> andril, the gimp does a wonderfull job :)
[12:29] <Seveas> dArtagnan, you don't have to :)
[12:29] <mebaran151_> mattt: yeah
[12:29] <dArtagnan> well, it asks for the ServerName now
[12:29] <JaZy84> hey Seveas
[12:29] <mebaran151_> well done, and their community is decent at helping you with really obscure problems
[12:29] <Seveas> Snufj, yeah, that is a good plan in here :)
[12:29] <Snufj> yes :)
[12:29] <JaZy84> i get sed -e expression #1 char 11: unterminated 's command
[12:29] <arbir> dArtagnan: where do i set ServerName.. this apache conf in Ubutnu is diff from the old ones i did
[12:29] <MartenH> I think I might need to upgrade my ov511 drivers to ov51x. I have found these but they need to be "built" and the ov511 drivers removed. Can anyone help me with these procedures?
[12:29] <Seveas> JaZy84, ouch
[12:30] <Seveas> lemme check
[12:30] <JaZy84> sudo sed -e 'swartyhoary' -i etcaptsources.list && sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[12:30] <andril> dArtagan, kinda a noob to Gimp but I have been working with some images - can you help?
[12:30] <JaZy84> what i used
[12:30] <JaZy84> ah for got '/'
[12:30] <Seveas> JaZy84, you missed some / characters
[12:30] <linukso> gentoo is great if you run it on a 24/7 machine stuck in a dark room somewhere, but running at 99% all day long makes lots of noise and heat in the living room :)
[12:30] <nJess> crispynix-v6, fancy meeting you here
[12:30] <crispynix-v6> nJess: hey :)
[12:30] <Seveas> sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[12:30] <arbir> Seveas: i nkow its not an error.. but i want to set a name :-)
[12:31] <JaZy84> yeah
[12:31] <JaZy84> sorry about that :)(
[12:31] <Seveas> arbir, you can set it in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[12:31] <JaZy84> trhanks for the help
[12:31] <Dr_Fate> Thunderbird just keeps loading and loading and loading, and hitting the stop button does nothing.
[12:31] <arbir> let me check Seveas
[12:31] <Strife> does anyone else have problems switching network interfaces without rebooting?
[12:31] <Seveas> add the line: ServerName some.host.name.that.is.valid
[12:31] <mebaran151_> what is the difference between EVMS and LVM
[12:31] <linukso> Dr_Fate: mutt doesnt...
[12:31] <kaffeend> can someone tell me how to burn the live CD for Ubuntu AMD 64 please?
[12:31] <arbir> i am not able to find that tag in there Seveas
[12:31] <skalpel> can someone tell me what the following error means when i have already downloaded the file and am in the dir where it is stored?
[12:31] <skalpel> File "LimewireLinux.rpm" not found.
[12:31] <by_ruffo> hello people!
[12:32] <Seveas> arbir, simply add the line at the end
[12:32] <kaffeend> I copied the .ISO straight to the disc
[12:32] <Seveas> kaffeend, bad idea
[12:32] <Strife> you need to "write image"
[12:32] <Dr_Fate> linukso, is that some lame reccomendation for mutt?
[12:32] <Strife> or "burn image"
[12:32] <arbir> aaah! i see .. thanks Seveas .. thats all i wanted to know.... :-)
[12:32] <Seveas> select the 'burn image' option in your cd burning program
[12:32] <Strife> it really depends on what program you're using, kaffeend
[12:32] <kaffeend> sounds like I need nero
[12:32] <by_ruffo> how i can install ident
[12:32] <Dr_Fate> yeah I'm using a gui emailer and I'll switch to mutt right away
[12:32] <skalpel> does wine work well enough to play games?
[12:32] <by_ruffo> or oident ??
[12:32] <Seveas> by_ruffo, sudo aptitude install pidentd
[12:32] <kaffeend> or alcohol
[12:32] <arbir> Seveas: before this, when i was on redhat... this tag was already defined, and i just had to uncomment and write my own name
[12:32] <linukso> Dr_Fate: a very bad joke. Thunderbird does that if it cant find the mailserver
[12:32] <Dr_Fate> give me a break
[12:32] <arbir> thanks Seveas
[12:33] <Seveas> arbir, Ubuntu defines it in /etc/apache2/sites-available
[12:33] <andril> dArtagnan, can you help? i am kinda noob to Gimp
[12:33] <Seveas> and .../sites-enabled
[12:33] <Dr_Fate> linukso, this POS found the mailservers alright, as it download mail from them
[12:33] <MartenH> Can someone help me build and replace some drivers? I'm a bit too new to this to figure out how to do it
[12:33] <Strife> so if no one else has trouble switching network intefaces without rebooting... is there a way at least where I can have two network interfaces configured but only have ONE try to connect at boot?
[12:33] <kaffeend> strife I will use whatever program I need to get this thing installed
[12:33] <arbir> so should i make an entry in apache2.conf or sites-available ?
[12:34] <mebaran151_> MartenH: you are going to have to build yourself a kernel
[12:34] <kaffeend> I don't even know what a kernel is
[12:34] <arbir> Seveas: what is the official Ubuntu way of installing Mono ?
[12:34] <linukso> Dr_Fate: hmm, remembet something like that when I was trying to get imaps working on my mailserver.
[12:35] <Seveas> arbir the nicest is in sites-available/default
[12:35] <MartenH> mebaran151_, ok, I'm open to learn :)
[12:35] <Seveas> just below the ServerAdmin line
[12:35] <mebaran151_> MartenH
[12:35] <mebaran151_> before you do it
[12:35] <kaffeend> so is the image on the disc meant to be a plain ISO?
[12:35] <mebaran151_> are you sure you need to
[12:35] <Jemt> How can I see which codecs a movie requires ?
[12:35] <mebaran151_> my guess is udev is not properly configured
[12:35] <arbir> Seveas: which would be inside the Virtual host * tag
[12:35] <Seveas> arbir, correct
[12:36] <mebaran151_> but I dont know how to configure udev, as it is supposed to just work
[12:36] <skalpel> can someone tell me how to unpack rar file in ubuntu linux?
[12:36] <mebaran151_> it might have to symlink your usb cam to a /dev/videa
[12:36] <Seveas> and about mono: the official way is to not install it yet or use hoary-backports
[12:36] <linukso> skalpel: get unrar-nonfree
[12:36] <MartenH> mebaran151_, It works like a charm with another cam right away but not with this one.
[12:36] <arbir> right.. i got it.. i added at the end , but now.. let me shift it below ServerAdmin line
[12:36] <mebaran151_> yeah
[12:36] <mebaran151_> sounds very udevy
[12:36] <Strife> speaking of mono... Beagle refuses to work for me :(
[12:36] <MartenH> mebaran151_, I found on the net that I might need to replace my ov511 drivers with ov51x to make it work
[12:36] <darxeth> how does ubuntu differ than debian?
[12:37] <Strife> I thought apt was supposed to prevent dependencies NOT getting installed, but apparently not
[12:37] <arbir> well.. Seveas whats wrong with mono ?
[12:37] <Seveas> darxeth: Ubuntu and debian have different goals, a different release schedule and different, but overlapping communities. See also http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship
[12:37] <Strife> darxeth: ubuntu is based on debian
[12:37] <deprave> can playing with tripewire for learning purposes citicaly incapacitate my machine in any way?
[12:37] <Seveas> arbir, nothing, I;m just answering your question :)
[12:37] <deprave> criticaly
[12:37] <skalpel> linukso: is that listed in synaptic?
[12:37] <darxeth> i c
[12:38] <arbir> i know.. Seveas i was just wondering.. becuase, i need to install Mono and host it on production
[12:38] <mebaran151_> what is tripewire?
[12:38] <skalpel> linukso: what is the difference between the free and nonfree version?
[12:38] <linukso> skalpel: yes, if you have added the multiverse reps. There is a free version too, but I always have touble with it, so I bother...
[12:38] <andril> any Gimp users out there?
[12:38] <arbir> Seveas: and now i am i ndoubt if Ubuntu is the right choice or shall i go back to Fedor
[12:38] <mebaran151_> MartenH: oh
[12:38] <Seveas> skalpel, the nonfree can handle rar3.0 archives
[12:38] <mebaran151_> that isnt so bad
[12:38] <mebaran151_> dll the kernel source
[12:38] <Seveas> arbir, ubuntu is the right choice
[12:38] <andril> I am trying to remove text and logos from wallpapers using Gimp
[12:38] <skalpel> seveas: do i have to pay for it or something?
[12:38] <mebaran151_> for the ubuntu package
[12:38] <Seveas> and for breezy ubuntu will be in main
[12:39] <Seveas> skalpel, no
[12:39] <linukso> skalpel: no no,
[12:39] <skalpel> i prefer freeware
[12:39] <skalpel> alright.
[12:39] <skalpel> =)
[12:39] <Seveas> nonfree means: no source code available
[12:39] <skalpel> ah, ok
[12:39] <mebaran151_> go to /usr/src/ and untar it there
[12:39] <skalpel> that is fine for me.
[12:39] <arbir> ok Seveas so let me add the backports and install mono
[12:39] <Seveas> and for breezy mono will be in main
[12:39] <kaffeend> so I have d/lodaed the live Ubuntu for AMD 64, I browse the cd contents and there's an .ISO file there, but when I try to boot from the cd it ignores it and boots to windows xp login like normal. I was told that it shouldn't show a .ISO but a bunch of different files and fiolders - I'm lost, and soooo close to deleting this Ubuntu thing
[12:39] <guney_> arbir:how is it going?
[12:39] <linukso> skalpel: it refers to freedom, not money...
[12:39] <kaffeend> Linux is supposed to save me from MS
[12:39] <arbir> guney_: great.. how about you ?
[12:39] <abarbaccia> kaffeend, you need to burn the iso as an image not as a file
[12:39] <kaffeend> windows works
[12:39] <desrt> kaffeend; i think you burned the ISO file to the CD
[12:39] <desrt> kaffeend; instead of burning the ISO file -as- the cd
[12:39] <Seveas> kaffeend, if you use nero: select 'burn image'
[12:39] <guney_> bad
[12:39] <abarbaccia> kaffeend, go into your CD burner and OPEN the iso file
[12:40] <arbir> kaffeend: no ,, linux is supposed to be freedom of choice
[12:40] <guney_> ubuntu downs easiliy :(
[12:40] <kaffeend> arabaccia I did and it opens in winRAR
[12:40] <Seveas> kaffeend, wich cd burnong program do you use?
[12:40] <linukso> kaffeend: Linux can't save you, you have to save your self...
[12:40] <abarbaccia> kaffeend,what program are you using to burn CDs
[12:40] <Jemt> Can it really be true, that I have found a media file that Totem can play (I really don't like that player) that MPlayer can't play ?
[12:41] <Seveas> Jemt, omg....
[12:41] <Seveas> send it to me :)
[12:41] <BollocksMacenzie> What's the best way of creating firewall rules in ubuntu...
[12:41] <kaffeend> linukso - I'm sure you understood my point
[12:41] <mebaran151_> Jemt: that is rather interesting
[12:41] <Seveas> BollocksMacenzie, firestarter, firehol, shorewall...
[12:41] <Madpilot> !iso
[12:41] <ubotu> No idea, Madpilot
[12:41] <mebaran151_> you sure it isnt like a mikmod file or something
[12:41] <linukso> kaffeend: its late at night, and jedi wisdom just came to me :)
[12:41] <Jemt> Seveas & mebaran151_: hehe :)
[12:41] <kaffeend> Seveas I use the standard Windows burning tool
[12:42] <Seveas> kaffeend, hmm, that one cannot burn it properly afaik
[12:42] <Jemt> Could it be duo to plugins or similar that needs to be configured ? I havn't touched the default settings
[12:42] <zany> b**hey
[12:42] <Madpilot> kaffeend: see this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BurningIsoHowto
[12:42] <zany> hey
[12:42] <Seveas> kaffeend, nero can, the 30day trial will suffice
[12:42] <kaffeend> linukso :P I want to have a stable - expandable OS
[12:42] <arbir> Seveas: how do i know my apt is fetching from the backports?
[12:42] <kaffeend> I have nero on disc
[12:42] <kaffeend> so do I have to download it agaiN?
[12:42] <linukso> Does anyone here know of a tool to convert avi/divx etc to theora?
[12:42] <Seveas> kaffeend, the page Madpilot sent you also gives good information
[12:43] <Seveas> you do not need to download it again
[12:43] <kaffeend> someone sent me something?>
[12:43] <kaffeend> scrolling...
[12:43] <arbir> Seveas: do you think my apt is using the backports ? --> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/883
[12:43] <robertj> btw, thew new pentium-m's are awesome
[12:43] <robertj> I've got a newer Celeron 1.4 that blows away my old 1.6
[12:43] <MartenH> how do I launch the archive manager with su rights?
[12:43] <mjr> linukso, ffmpeg2theora, google for it
[12:43] <linukso> mjr: ah, thanks....
[12:44] <Seveas> arbir, no
[12:44] <skalpel> can someone tell me how to change my widow switching behavior from linux to windows?
[12:44] <Seveas> but the non-backports mono is quite old
[12:44] <kaffeend> people, I'm very sorry if anyone is talking to me and I'm not replying - I've been up for hours looking at text
[12:44] <skalpel> nevermind, i found it
[12:44] <skalpel> =)
[12:44] <arbir> how do i get it from the latest backports
[12:44] <Seveas> add the backports line to your sources.list
[12:44] <topyli> MartenH: from a terminal, do 'sudo file-roller' or from the apps menu, choose system -> run as diff user
[12:44] <Seveas> !backports
[12:44] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[12:44] <Jemt> robertj: I have just bought a brand new IBM X31 laptop with Pentium M 1.6 Ghz. And I must agree ;)
[12:45] <Madpilot> kaffeend: been there, one that. here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BurningIsoHowto
[12:45] <Seveas> kaffeend, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BurningIsoHowto
[12:45] <MikeW> Will horay sport gnome 1.12?
[12:45] <kaffeend> thanks Seveas
[12:45] <Seveas> MikeW, 2.12 you mean :)
[12:45] <Seveas> and: yes
[12:45] <mjr> also, he means breezy
[12:45] <arbir> sevenseas i have added the backports into my sources.list file
[12:45] <mebaran151_> Seveas Gnome 1 was fun!
[12:45] <Seveas> argh, mjr :)
[12:45] <Seveas> right
[12:45] <arbir> now.. how can i make sure that mono would be fetched only from the backports?
[12:45] <Seveas> arbir, do apt-get update before apt-get install mono
[12:45] <mebaran151_> out of curiousity
[12:45] <topyli> mebaran151_: i ran, didn't walk, to enlightenment at the time :)
[12:46] <arbir> aah.. yeah. i did not do that
[12:46] <mebaran151_> is the Gnome major number dirrectly correalated to the version of GTK
[12:46] <Seveas> mebaran151_, no
[12:46] <crimsun> mebaran151_: no
[12:46] <mebaran151_> so when GTK 3 is started we get Gnome 3.0
[12:46] <mebaran151_> ah
[12:46] <mebaran151_> ok
[12:46] <catolh> Is there any way to make the window borders smaller? and text in general?
[12:46] <kaffeend> I went into wiki and read a heap of stuff but didn't see anything about how to burn the image - why isn't that on the4 same page AS the image?
[12:46] <Seveas> kaffeend, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BurningIsoHowto <-- bottom of that page
[12:47] <flodine> hello
[12:47] <mjr> not strongly, but it's reasonable to expect that gnome changes major versions at the latest when/if gtk does :)
[12:47] <kaffeend> all I saw was - simply click this and download the image
[12:47] <don-o> is X still broken in breezy?
[12:47] <MikeW> Seveas: WOOHOO! I heard that gnome 2.12 is less of a slow dog then the .8 or something, because they cleaned up some horrible stupid coding mistakes. Extra performance I hope :D
[12:47] <Seveas> kaffeend, mind if I send you a privare message?
[12:47] <topyli> catolh: window borders depend on which theme you are using. the font is also configurable
[12:47] <Seveas> don-o, yes, see /topic
[12:47] <mebaran151_> don-o: just a tad....
[12:47] <Madpilot> kaffeend: there should be more info on the download page - but that page and the wiki are seperate right now...
[12:47] <topyli> catolh: it's all in the system -> preferences menu
[12:48] <kaffeend> I'm cranky and very very tired from all this - I really hope it's worth it
[12:48] <don-o> Seveas: thx. the topic scrolls by before i can read it :)
[12:48] <mebaran151_> Seveas: the fix on my machine was simple though
[12:48] <mebaran151_> I just changed a symlink like the bug report said
[12:48] <mebaran151_> seemed too simple thouhg
[12:48] <Seveas> kaffeend, maybe you should simply go to sleep and continue tomorrow :)
[12:50] <robertj> has there been any talk of dumping the Quake color scheme for gnome default yet ;)
[12:50] <topyli> hehe
[12:50] <zany> i have configured dhcpd
[12:50] <amonkey> is there anyway to play music to an airport express from linux?
[12:50] <phixion> lo all, can anyone help me? I just installed 'pidentd', how can i start it?
[12:50] <kaffeend> Seveas by tomorrow I won't have a system at all - it's corrupted beyond belief... missing core windows plugins and apps like the Task Manager
[12:50] <zany> how do i start it automatically at boot please ??
[12:50] <crimsun> phixion: it should be started already.
[12:50] <kaffeend> I can barely use windows at all now
[12:50] <topyli> phixion: probably it starts as you install
[12:51] <kaffeend> hacked to pieces
[12:51] <phixion> hmm doesn't seem to have in my ps x list
[12:51] <ma3x> guys, when i install kubuntu is there mailserver installed by default?
[12:51] <Seveas> kaffeend, then read that page more carefully
[12:51] <karim> what means "scuffle" ?
[12:51] <Seveas> at the bottom it gives complete instructions for windows
[12:52] <amonkey> my friend has ubuntu installed and he restarted it and all that shows is some linkign white ont eh lower left hand of hte screen.
[12:52] <crimsun> ma3x: postfix.
[12:52] <topyli> phixion: oh well, try /etc/init.d/pidentd start
[12:52] <kaffeend> it won't even open and I can't copy and paste
[12:52] <ma3x> crimsun: and why is 'kmail' not installed in the menu (internet)?
[12:52] <crimsun> ma3x: for Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[12:52] <ma3x> Kubuntu
[12:53] <crimsun> ma3x: because the .desktop file is in the wrong place, more than likely.
[12:53] <wastrel> i forgot the password for my ubuntu install on my other computer- what should i do? :]
[12:53] <ma3x> crimsun: but i just installed it, how can it be in the wrong place?
[12:53] <davix> erm
[12:53] <phixion> topyli, im in /etc/init.d/ there is no "pidentd" in there
[12:53] <davix> gnome is getting dull
[12:53] <crimsun> ma3x: packaging error. It's not your fault.
[12:54] <davix> should I move to kubuntu
[12:54] <davix> or is there a way to make things more intresting?
[12:54] <Determinist> Davey, how is gnome getting dull?
[12:54] <ma3x> crimsun: how do i fix it?
[12:54] <topyli> phixion: it's not necessarily called pidentd there. look around, there may be something like identd
[12:54] <ray_> anybody know how to make a backup of a dvd
[12:54] <davix> Determinist, it feels as if things are crummy and not quite fully developed, square design, and no out of the box templates.
[12:54] <davix> not that I know of anyway.
[12:54] <crimsun> ma3x: you'd have to recompile the package.
[12:55] <arbir> Seveas: the mono in the backports is also quite old... something like 1.0.5
[12:55] <phixion> topyli, if i dloaded it from synaptic, it should have install right?
[12:55] <arbir> while the latest one is way beyond 1.1
[12:55] <Determinist> davix, well, given enough time it should improve dramatically as it had in the past.
[12:55] <topyli> phixion: well, if synaptic says it installed it, it probably did :-)
[12:55] <LinuxJones> ma3x, you can install kmail
[12:55] <Mez> arbir: we're working on updating mono for official backports
[12:56] <davix> I gave it more than a year till now.
[12:56] <ma3x> LinuxJones: it's already installed but how can i reinstall it?
[12:56] <phixion> topyli, if i reboot, u think itll start automatically?
[12:56] <Determinist> davix, as for eyecandy, you could probably make it look alot better if you combine existing templates with some other elements, i've seen some pretty good outcomes
[12:56] <topyli> phixion: of course, identd might be a service run by inetd and thus have no init script at all
[12:56] <t3rror> is there a decent newsgroup binary downloader for linux?
[12:56] <arbir> Mez.. thanks for that info. any ideas when would the latest be up and out there ?
[12:56] <f_newton> pan
[12:56] <davix> erm, Determinist where did you see, perhaps I can get ideas.
[12:56] <phixion> topyli, is there any other way i can find out if its running or not?
[12:56] <t3rror> one that supports nzb files
[12:56] <LinuxJones> ma3x, right click the package in synaptic and do reinstall
[12:57] <Mez> arbir: we're currently testing and stuff, I've asked elmo to put the current mono version from breezy into backports
[12:57] <douglas> Everytime my box starts up it synchronizes my time with ubuntu, but I think I don't have the right time zone selected, how do I select the right one so at startup I get the appropriate time?
[12:57] <topyli> phixion: "ps aux | grep ident" should definitely show it
[12:57] <crimsun> douglas: tzconfig
[12:57] <phixion> can i paste what it says to you topyli ?
[12:57] <deprave> anyoneh ere use tripwire?
[12:58] <f_newton> are the cli commands debian specific or ubuntu specific?
[12:58] <arbir> so Mez.. should i go ahead and install the old version for now.. or shall i wait till the new version is in backports. bandwidth and downloading is an issue here.
[12:58] <topyli> phixion: that command i gave you? that shouldn't be much, go ahead
[12:58] <Mez> arbir: wait
[12:58] <cute_bettong> ok what the heck my sound crapped out
[12:58] <cute_bettong> i booted and it broke >.<
[12:58] <cute_bettong> how to fix?
[12:58] <arbir> sure Mez..... thanks for that. you saved me tons of downloading time :-)
[12:58] <jdkycdoc> hi everyone, i want to install kde in a friend's computer running ubuntu, he have dial-up connection and so I was wondering if I could install kde from kubuntu install CD, do you know?
[12:59] <topyli> phixion: yeah, that's just the command you were running when you checked. you have no identd running
[12:59] <phixion> oh
[12:59] <phixion> ok, shall i reboot
[12:59] <Determinist> davix, try fedoraforums.org , ubuntuforums.org , look at screenshots and then try and emulate what you think is pretty
[12:59] <j0orge[LieRa] > orale voLa de vErgas :!
[12:59] <j0orge[LieRa] > :P!
[12:59] <topyli> phixion: it's a little desperate
[12:59] <davix> tnx Determinist.
[01:00] <ma3x> LinuxJones: when i reinstall kmail, it asks me for the cd, and i insert the cd and it doesn't show in the menu
[01:00] <kyncani> jdkycdoc: if one of you has a usb disk, i would consider making a local ubuntu mirror
[01:01] <LinuxJones> ma3x, ok first thing to do is comment out the cd reference in the file /etc/apt/sources.lst
[01:01] <topyli> phixion: the thing is, i'm only talking from my regular knowledge about services. i never actually run identd myself
[01:01] <jdkycdoc> kyncani, would you explain me in more detail how would that be?
[01:01] <Determinist> davix np mate.
[01:01] <phixion> ok thanks for the help topyli, ill try a reboot see if it starts :/
[01:03] <hou5ton> I have two harddrives in my laptop, Windows is on one, Ubuntu on the other ... from Ubuntu, how can I tell which "brand" is the hd that it is on?
[01:03] <mrproper> I'm noticing that NFS is very chatty on the network. Is there anyway to make it quieter?
[01:03] <LinuxJones> ma3x, you might have to manually add the menu entry, best to ask in #kubuntu to be sure.
[01:03] <ma3x> LinuxJones: now i reinstalled it from the internet, but kmail still doesn't show in menu
[01:03] <LinuxJones> ma3x, sometimes you have to wait a few minutes for it to appear
[01:03] <kyncani> jdkycdoc: there's a package called debmirror to do mirror, although last time i tried to use it (some 3 months ago), it would ultimately not work. I've made a archive.ubuntu.com mirror using rsync. There's some doc for you on the net.
[01:03] <ma3x> LinuxJones: when i add it under menu, what do i type in the command field, only 'kmail' ?
[01:04] <LinuxJones> ma3x, have you done an apt-get update and apt-get upgrade on your system yet since you installed ?
[01:04] <LinuxJones> ma3x, yes that outta do it
[01:04] <kyncani> jdkycdoc: google around for debian ubuntu mirror rsync debmirror (some of these terms)
[01:04] <conflikt> someone can gimme a hand with screen resolution
[01:04] <ma3x> LinuxJones: apt-get upgrade not yet, it's 120 M
[01:04] <conflikt> ???
[01:05] <LinuxJones> ma3x, best to get that done if your can
[01:05] <LinuxJones> ma3x, it may already be fixed in the upgrade
[01:05] <jdkycdoc> kyncani, thank you for the info, ill think about it
[01:05] <arbir> Mez.. i also see this site http://debian.meebey.net which says it has latet packages for the mono.. is this official debian ?
[01:05] <kyncani> jdkycdoc: beware that a ubuntu mirror takes some space (somewhere around 20 G)
[01:05] <ma3x> LinuxJones: ok, I thank you very much for the assistance!
[01:05] <conflikt> anyone know why screen resolution is at 640 ?
[01:05] <LinuxJones> ma3x, Good Luck
[01:06] <ma3x> LinuxJones: thank you!
[01:06] <Mez> arbir: no
[01:06] <LinuxJones> conflikt, Ubuntu didn't detect your monitor correctly
[01:06] <jdkycdoc> kyncani, so you mean that I would need a usb hard disk?
[01:06] <conflikt> ok so how do i do it manually ?
[01:06] <kyncani> jdkycdoc: yes
[01:07] <amonkey> anyone know what mcs is?
[01:07] <kyncani> jdkycdoc: with lots of space free
[01:07] <LinuxJones> conflikt, >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:07] <hou5ton> I have two harddrives in my laptop, Windows is on one, Ubuntu on the other ... from Ubuntu, how can I tell which "brand" is the hd that it is on?
[01:08] <mattt> hou5ton, dmesg | grep ide
[01:08] <Seveas> hou5ton, lspci
[01:08] <mjr> hou5ton, /proc/ide/hd?/model
[01:08] <mattt> hou5ton, rather, grep for hd (provided ide)
[01:08] <Mez> !mp3
[01:08] <ubotu> hmm... mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[01:09] <catolh> Is it possible to get the winamp "presets" loaded into xmms?
[01:09] <mattt> mrj: that's nice mind. :)
[01:10] <skalpel> what plugin do i need to use to play wmv files in totem, san someone tell me?
[01:11] <mjr> skalpel, for old wmvs, gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg may do; for newer ones, there aren't linux codecs. You may be able to make do with w32codecs and totem-xine, if you're running on x86.
[01:11] <Jemt> Is it possible to make a script that automatically kills Wine after ie 3 minutes? I want to make sure that my PC dosn't lock up when i try to run Atomic Bomberman
[01:11] <jdkycdoc> kyncani, well that doesnt seem a very good option, thanks anyway, any other idea?
[01:11] <Nomad_1> Is there a terminal command to list what compiler is configured for the system?
[01:12] <mjr> Nomad_1, gcc --version
[01:12] <Nomad_1> mjr: Thanks mate.
[01:13] <hou5ton> mattt, got it ... thanks guys
[01:14] <arbir> Mez.. is there a place where i can constantly check when the uploads have been done, instead of bothering you :-) ?
[01:14] <skalpel> mjr: how do i install the w32codecs for totem?
[01:14] <phixion> who was the guy that helped with identd?
[01:14] <Mez> arbir: [email protected]
[01:14] <benplaut> !info win32codecs
[01:14] <Mez> !w32codecs
[01:14] <ubotu> hmm... w32codecs is a set of codecs needed to play many common audio and video formats, such as WMV. You can install w32codecs from the hoary-extras repositories (see: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org).
[01:15] <arbir> thanks Mez.....
[01:15] <benplaut> hmm
[01:15] <benplaut> ubotu could stand to be a bit smarterm but nevertheless...
[01:15] <ubotu> No idea, benplaut
[01:15] <benplaut> be quiet :)
[01:15] <Seveas> !forget w32codecs
[01:15] <ubotu> Seveas: i forgot w32codecs
[01:16] <Nomad_1> I'm looking at the GCC installation docs now and it looks quite beyond me and my Linux usage abilities. Is there someone that wouldn't mind helping me out with installing GCC?
[01:16] <dimitris> Anyone has the deb package for amule 2.0.0 ??? I don't want to install 2.0.3 since i had some problems.
[01:16] <benplaut> Seveas: why make it forget it?
[01:16] <Seveas> benplaut, brainfart
[01:17] <Seveas> added them again already :)
[01:17] <benplaut> !win32codecs
[01:17] <ubotu> benplaut: I haven't a clue
[01:17] <LinuxJones> Nomad_1, sudo apt-get update && apt-get install build-essential
[01:17] <Seveas> !w32codecs
[01:17] <ubotu> somebody said w32codecs was a set of codecs needed to play many common audio and video formats, such as WMV. You can install w32codecs from the hoary-extras repositories (see: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org).
[01:17] <benplaut> oh
[01:17] <benplaut> an extra "in" :P
[01:17] <Seveas> nope
[01:18] <Seveas> added the same text back
[01:18] <Nomad_1> LinuxJones: That = greek to me mate. I don't see how that would help me with GCC.
[01:18] <Seveas> for a moment i thought 'hey backports is now official so the url is wrong' but that part of backports didn't go official :)
[01:19] <LinuxJones> Nomad_1, if you want to compile using gcc the package build-essential will install everyting you need.
[01:19] <Mez> ...?
[01:19] <Nomad_1> Thanks mate.
[01:19] <astronut> i can't get attached to my wireless network..i did to a network at a hotel, but not at home... i thought i set everythign right, i can see the network, the router shows a connection with that MAC address on it, but i can't get a dhcp lease (or set it up using static values)....
[01:19] <seif> hi guys
[01:19] <LinuxJones> Nomad_1, you can sudo synaptic , then hit reload , then search for build-essential and install it from there
[01:19] <seif> how does one delte an entry out of gdm
[01:20] <seif> i installed xfce
[01:20] <linlin> there seems to be flying toasters and flying slices of bread on my ubuntu computer
[01:20] <skalpel> also, how can i play .wma files in ubuntu?
[01:20] <avanspronsen> astronut: u using WEP?
[01:20] <Seveas> seif, by removing the .desktop file or simply purging the program you don't want anymore
[01:20] <astronut> skalpel: depends if they have drm
[01:20] <skalpel> i do not think they do
[01:20] <astronut> avanspronsen: ya, i set key using iwconfig wlan0 key hexvalue
[01:20] <astronut> is that right way to do it?
[01:20] <skalpel> how can i find out?
[01:20] <seif> where od i find the .desktop files
[01:21] <astronut> seif: locate .desktop
[01:21] <avanspronsen> you can also do it via System | Admin | Networking
[01:21] <Seveas> seif, /usr/share/xsessions/
[01:21] <astronut> avanspronsen: yes, well, that didnt' work either
[01:21] <skalpel> astrnut: how can i check and see if they are protected?
[01:21] <astronut> also tried disabling wep
[01:22] <avanspronsen> astronut: can you connect if you temporarily disable WEP?
[01:22] <astronut> skalpel: protected?
[01:22] <astronut> avanspronsen: see above
[01:22] <astronut> i tried without it..may have done it wrong though...will try again
[01:22] <skalpel> astonut: drm protected.
[01:22] <seif> hmmmmmm
[01:22] <astronut> skalpel: oh, sorry, was confusing you with seif, i dunno
[01:22] <Seveas> skalpel, in that case: no way of playing them
[01:22] <skalpel> astronut: well, how would i go about playing non protected wma files in linux?
[01:23] <skalpel> seveas: i know, but i do not know if these are protected or not
[01:23] <Nomad_1> LinuxJones: I tried it both ways and came up with "Please insert the disk labeled: Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release amd64 (20050407) in drive /cdrom/" both times.
[01:23] <seif> i still can c an xfce entry in gdm alhtough there is no .desktop for it o
[01:23] <seif> only for gnome and fvwm
[01:23] <avanspronsen> astronut: you can use "cat /etc/network/interfaces" in a terminal window to confirm settings?
[01:23] <Seveas> seif, you need to restart gdm
[01:23] <astronut> avanspronsen: will, in one second, trying without wep
[01:23] <Nomad_1> LinuxJones: Is that the ubuntu "extra packages" disk.?
[01:23] <Seveas> or maybe even reboot
[01:23] <seif> i did
[01:24] <seif> i didi twice
[01:24] <avanspronsen> astronut: sounds good bud
[01:24] <seif> there was no entry
[01:24] <seif> in the xsession folde
[01:24] <seif> but still in the menu
[01:24] <wims> is it possible to check if a table contains a field named x ?
[01:24] <astronut> avanspronsen: doh
[01:24] <astronut> worked
[01:24] <LinuxJones> ma3x, ok first thing to do is comment out the cd reference in the file /etc/apt/sources.lst >> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.lst
[01:24] <BollocksMacenzie> I just installed firestarter (firewall software) and for some reason I can run it from the menu with user privelidges, but when I set it to load with gnome it gives a root privelidges required error message! Why?
[01:24] <astronut> lets try with WEP now
[01:24] <wims> hmm sorry wrong channel
[01:24] <skalpel> how can i play unprotected wma files in ubuntu?
[01:24] <avanspronsen> astronut: whenever I have those symptoms it is always WEP :-)
[01:24] <LinuxJones> Nomad_1, sorry that was for you ^^
[01:25] <seif> :(
[01:26] <linlin> skalpel, try mplayer
[01:26] <kyncani> BollocksMacenzie: look into ubuntu-users mailing list, it has already been asked
[01:26] <Nomad_1> I'll give it a shot
[01:26] <LinuxJones> Nomad_1, once you make the change hit the reload button in synaptic and search for build-essential, then install it and you will be set.
[01:28] <Nomad_1> LinuxJones: <Nods>, I'll brb. Dinner time.
[01:28] <skalpel> linlin: thank you.
[01:28] <arbir> Mez... got it.. i hope it works soon. :-). also i see that postgresql is still in the 7.x series ? correct me if i am wrong
[01:28] <LinuxJones> Nomad_1, enjoy :)
[01:28] <arbir> Mez: POstgresql has now upgraded to the 8.x series
[01:29] <icewt> are the prebuilt mplayer 1.0-pre7 packages for ubuntu? the ones for debian (marillat) won't work because of unmet depencies :/
[01:29] <avanspronsen> LinuxJones: Hey Buddy :-)
[01:29] <f_newton> xvfj is the order for bz2
[01:29] <f_newton> ?
[01:29] <f_newton> well that didnt work well
[01:29] <BollocksMacenzie> What is the best firewall software anyhow, I'd like something which would allow me to connect to the internet through ethernet and through wireless... But can't seem to find a firewall program which would allow this without editing the configuration scripts by hand!
[01:29] <skalpel> why is'nt gnomebaker in the bugbuddy list?
[01:29] <Razor-X> I found a good book for those of you who want to thoroughly learn Linux
[01:29] <f_newton> BollocksMacenzie, firestarter is a gui frontend for iptables like shorewall
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> firestarter is firewall interface software
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> the firewall is implemented by the kernel in all cases
[01:30] <f_newton> BollocksMacenzie, if you want an auto configured firewall just stick with the default choices
[01:30] <Madpilot> Razor-X: which book?
[01:30] <asdx> I think my filesystem is currupted. and I can't boot
[01:31] <asdx> what shall I do?
[01:31] <Razor-X> Madpilot: SAMS UNIX System Administration - A beginners guide
[01:31] <avanspronsen> asdx: do you have a live CD?
[01:31] <asdx> yes
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> ugh sams
[01:31] <asdx> I'm using reiserfs
[01:31] <Razor-X> well, it's SAMS, but it's pretty nice
[01:31] <Razor-X> least, I think it's SAMS
[01:31] <deprave> asdx: run fschk?
[01:31] <Razor-X> or is the author ``Sam'' hold on ;)
[01:31] <Madpilot> Razor-X: i've not been impressed by the Sam's books I've tried, but I'll see if the local library has it.
[01:31] <avanspronsen> asdx: I would try boot via the live cd and having a look
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> I think if I need to read a beginners guide now, I'm in serious trouble
[01:32] <asdx> avanspronsen: ok
[01:32] <Madpilot> I prefer O'Reilly books, haven't seen a bad one yet
[01:32] <avanspronsen> asdx: try mounting the filesystem?
[01:32] <asdx> avanspronsen: Ok. just mounted
[01:32] <asdx> avanspronsen: my files are there
[01:32] <deprave> anyone ever used tripwire here?
[01:32] <Razor-X> HrdwrBoB: it's for those who want to learn Linux ground up
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> Razor-X: I realise that
[01:32] <amonkey> what package is the oggdec command part of?
[01:33] <avanspronsen> asdx: maybe just a grub problem?
[01:33] <Razor-X> O' Reiley's books are pretty nice
[01:33] <Razor-X> they have a real nice emacs book out
[01:33] <asdx> avanspronsen: grub works
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> deprave: I used it once but I didn't end up with enough time to do it properly
[01:33] <Razor-X> and a nice book on RegExps as well
[01:33] <asdx> avanspronsen: the ubuntu init scripts said that I should run reiserfsck --rebuild-tree
[01:33] <Razor-X> no, not SAMS
[01:33] <BollocksMacenzie> f_newton: I could do with something a little more complex, but I can't really be bothered to do all the fidly bits! And then there is the factor that firestarter wont load on boot!
[01:33] <Razor-X> the guy's name is Sam ;)
[01:33] <asdx> avanspronsen: but that will not lost my files right?
[01:34] <asdx> I have important files there
[01:34] <avanspronsen> asdx: ok, I haven't run into that before
[01:34] <asdx> --rebuild-tree : force fsck to rebuild filesystem from scratch (takes a long time)
[01:34] <asdx> :S
[01:34] <Razor-X> can parted based software merge free space into partitions?
[01:35] <asdx> I will do a backup of my files first
[01:35] <avanspronsen> asdx: sounds "ify" I would try to backup first
[01:35] <avanspronsen> asdx :-)
[01:35] <asdx> :P
[01:35] <avanspronsen> asdx: good luck!
[01:35] <redtech> jasoncohen: hey I just wanted to say thanks again. My wifes pc is still kicking and hasnt exhibited any further problems.
[01:35] <asdx> avanspronsen: thx
[01:35] <gilv> the package of sbcl for Lisp in hoary is 0.8, it's out-dated, and doesn't support utf8, it should be the 0.9 release, where i get a better package ?
[01:35] <Razor-X> actually, I have quite a few books to read
[01:35] <avanspronsen> asdx: np bud
[01:35] <Razor-X> gilv: compile away
[01:36] <Razor-X> I haven't thoroughly read through the RegExp book, I still have my Ruby book to finish, and I have an exim book
[01:36] <Zodiac> hello
[01:36] <Veon> Hi guys, I'm new to both Ubuntu and Linux. I'm thinking about changing theme, but when I go to Computer > Desktop Preferences, which I'm supposed to I can't find anything called Desktop Preferences in my Computer :S Anyone know what I could do?
[01:36] <Razor-X> and they're all like, 600 pages long ;)
[01:36] <Zodiac> Quick question,,,
[01:36] <gilv> Razor-X: isn't there an address to add in sources.list to get an upgrade ?
[01:36] <Zodiac> What Totem codec do I need to play WMV files??
[01:37] <mjr> Zodiac, for old wmvs, gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg may do; for newer ones, there aren't linux codecs. You may be able to make do with w32codecs and totem-xine, if you're running on x86.
[01:37] <Razor-X> gilv: you can, but, i'm not sure if sbcl has one
[01:37] <amonkey> how can i get oggdec
[01:37] <Razor-X> look on the sbcl site
[01:37] <Madpilot> Veon: System - Prefs - Themes
[01:37] <Razor-X> is Computer -> Desktop Preferences a Windows thing?
[01:37] <cafuego> what?
[01:38] <Madpilot> Razor-X: might be. I'm forgetting my Windows trivia as fast as I can...
[01:38] <cafuego> Razor-X: No, it's not.
[01:38] <Razor-X> cafuego: what is it?
[01:38] <Veon> I wish I installed Ubuntu in English :S Easyer to follow directions :P
[01:38] <cafuego> Razor-X: Settings -> Display -> [Desktop tab]
[01:38] <Razor-X> Veon: what language do you speak?
[01:38] <Veon> I found it! Thank you :D
[01:38] <Razor-X> cafuego: ahh, there you go
[01:38] <Veon> I talk Norwegian ;)
[01:39] <cafuego> AH, norsk!
[01:39] <Razor-X> Veon: if you know the two letter language code for that
[01:39] <Razor-X> (like en for English)
[01:39] <Veon> no
[01:39] <Razor-X> then, #ubuntu-<two-letter language code>
[01:39] <Zodiac> yea I do run totem xine... with that gstreamer codec mess up my system???
[01:39] <Razor-X> ;)
[01:39] <Razor-X> and they probably speak Norweigan
[01:39] <mjr> Zodiac, if you run totem-xine, gstreamer codecs won't affect totem in any way
[01:39] <cafuego> Veon: You can easily make your Ubuntu be english.
[01:39] <Veon> Yeah, but I found the theme maneger ;) So, thanx :)
[01:39] <Zodiac> I see
[01:40] <Veon> I do it b4 I login, right?
[01:40] <Zodiac> Well I am going to give the W32 codecs a go...
[01:40] <BollocksMacenzie> kyncani: Looked, not there!
[01:40] <Zodiac> and see what happens
[01:40] <cafuego> Veon: You do it in a config file (or two).
[01:40] <Veon> But I tried to login with English, but the system crashed!
[01:40] <Madpilot> Veon: there's a #ubuntu-no group here if that helps
[01:41] <conflikt> hey
[01:41] <Veon> Maybe later if I need it ;) I found the help I needed ;) Thanx.
[01:41] <conflikt> so yea i got my specs so i can fix my video
[01:41] <cafuego> Veon: You need to edit /etc/locale.gen (Add en_UK.UTF-8 UTF-8); run 'locale-gen' and sert your vars to en_UK.
[01:41] <sun_> hi i have a .deb which i would like to install. i did dpkg -i file.deb and it worked. i tried out the program and everythign's fine. however it has a dependency on libc one revision higher than that in ubuntu (ie debian testing). so at the next opportunity aptitude wants to uninstall it. how do i tell aptitude to "leave it alone"
[01:41] <Razor-X> can parted based applications merge free space into partitions?
[01:42] <Razor-X> cafuego: or en_US, if you want American English ;)
[01:42] <cafuego> Razor-X: only contiguous free space.
[01:42] <Veon> Ok, thank you. :)
[01:42] <cafuego> Razor-X: No, he's european. They're not permitted en_US.
[01:42] <Razor-X> cafuego: hmm, but, it can't resize a partition, and merge free space in one step?
[01:42] <Veon> I'll be on my way now. Thanx for all the help guys! :)
[01:42] <Razor-X> cafuego: I know where Norway is ;)
[01:42] <cafuego> Razor-X: Not without moving partitons; I don't know if it can do that.
[01:43] <Razor-X> hmm.... :(
[01:43] <Razor-X> lemme see if PMagic can, if so, i'll have to go to my friend and borrow his disk -- again
[01:43] <sun_> hi i have a .deb which i would like to install. i did
[01:43] <sun_> dpkg -i file.deb and it worked. i tried out the
[01:43] <sun_> program and everythign's fine. however it has a
[01:43] <sun_> dependency on libc one revision higher than that in
[01:43] <sun_> ubuntu (ie debian testing). so at the next
[01:43] <sun_> opportunity aptitude wants to uninstall it. how do
[01:43] <sun_> i tell aptitude to "leave it alone"
[01:43] <Razor-X> sun_: paste in pastebin
[01:43] <cafuego> Razor-X: Yes, PMAgic can.
[01:43] <Razor-X> cafuego: coolness ;)
[01:43] <amonkey> what can i use to decode mp3s to RAW?
[01:44] <cafuego> sun_: Um, don't install debian packages with broken depends. install Ubuntu packages.
[01:44] <asdx> amonkey: lame
[01:44] <asdx> amonkey: lame --decode file.mp3 will decode to raw/wav
[01:44] <Zodiac> ha ha
[01:44] <Zodiac> That worke
[01:44] <amonkey> asdx, /me slaps head
[01:44] <amonkey> thanks
[01:44] <asdx> amonkey: :)
[01:44] <Zodiac> Thanks mjr :) !!!
[01:44] <sun_> cafuego ubuntu has it in multiverse but refuses to install it because of the depend?
[01:44] <mjr> shure
[01:45] <sun_> its called nut-nutrition
[01:46] <sun_> whats ubuntu backports project?
[01:46] <Determinist> anyone tried that gdm over VNC thing yet? i cant seem to make it work right on my machine
[01:46] <Mez> !backports
[01:46] <ubotu> methinks backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[01:46] <HrdwrBoB> sun_: bringing new applications to hoary
[01:46] <HrdwrBoB> (firefox, gainm, etc)
[01:47] <HrdwrBoB> gaim
[01:47] <levander> Anybody know how to specify the device to cdrecord for a cd drive when using cdrecord, when the cd drive is IDE? I've been using just /dev/hdc, but cdrecord gives me a warning. Anybody know how it's supposed to be done?
[01:47] <amonkey> asdx, does that decode to stdout cuz i'm trying to pipe it into justeport
[01:47] <deprave> what filesystem do i specify for mounting a floppy drive?
[01:47] <mjr> levander, you're supposed to happily ignore the warning
[01:47] <levander> Ubuntu is launching so many projects, you gotta wonder how they're gonna keep up with them all...
[01:48] <levander> deprave: the device file is /dev/fd0
[01:48] <asdx> amonkey: I don't know, honestly..
[01:48] <levander> deprave: don't know what you mean by which filesystem
[01:48] <deprave> well when i mount /media/floppy it requests me to specify filesystem
[01:48] <evilmegaman> Hi
[01:48] <levander> mjr: but that damn warning is filling up my log
[01:48] <avanspronsen> deprave: fat?
[01:48] <Razor-X> deprave: is it fat?
[01:48] <HrdwrBoB> levander: cdrecord is written by very special people
[01:48] <mjr> "special" indeed
[01:48] <mjr> levander, so, patch it out :)
[01:49] <deprave> it probably is, how do i format it to whatever linux uses by default
[01:49] <levander> HrdwrBoB: meaning?
[01:49] <evilmegaman> I was wondering, How do I get the fglrx driver working and get ubuntu to stop using mesa3d?
[01:49] <levander> mjr: yeah, right
[01:49] <asdx> amonkey: I just do like: for i in *.mp3 ; do lame --decode "$i" ; done. and then I have all my mp3s decoded to wav :P
[01:49] <amonkey> what's the key to reset a terminal?
[01:49] <HrdwrBoB> levander: well it's technical supported platform is solaris
[01:49] <levander> HrdwrBoB: ahhhh
[01:49] <mjr> levander, special in the way that they think you shouldn't be using evil ide burners at all, or at least you should refer to them with some made-up SCSI bus address. Or something like that.
[01:50] <LokeDK> isn't there a way to list all hidden directoryes (.*) with ls? ls .* lists them, but also lists what they contains
[01:50] <levander> HrdwrBoB: well, at least cdrecord works. I spent two days of free time, and part of a third trying to write to a dvdrw with udftools.
[01:50] <mjr> LokeDK, ls -d .*
[01:50] <bimberi> LokeDK: ls -a
[01:50] <BollocksMacenzie> Enough of this for 1 night, it's 1am (almost) and I was planning to get up a little early tommorow!
[01:50] <levander> HrdwrBoB: I'm convinced that package just doesn't work.
[01:50] <HrdwrBoB> levander: yeah it works, but apparently it's an accident, according to the main developer
[01:50] <levander> BollocksMacenzie: lol @ was planning
[01:50] <HrdwrBoB> but yeah I haven't used anything aside from that recently
[01:50] <LokeDK> ah thx
[01:51] <BollocksMacenzie> toodles!
[01:51] <levander> HrdwrBoB: wish ubuntu would put some resources into optical drives instead of all these side projects they've got going
[01:51] <HrdwrBoB> levander: what needs to be done?
[01:51] <HrdwrBoB> nautilus reads and writes CDs and DVDs on a basic level
[01:51] <kaffeend> hello again... trying to mount this Ubuntu AMD 64 .ISO I installed Nero and ran a wizard for mounting (burning) an .ISO image onto the disc, but after the burn the file on the disc is a winRAR file - can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong please? I'm quickly running out of discs here
[01:51] <HrdwrBoB> and iirc breezy can burn music CDs
[01:51] <JaZy84> hey Seveas you still here
[01:51] <JaZy84> i did that sed thing
[01:52] <equex> i wonder why i dont get OpenGL working on my Radeon9200, i installed the drivers from ATI, the module appears to be loaded (appears in lsmod) still it is in Mesa Indirect mode.. xorg.conf says its enabled. any ideas?
[01:52] <HrdwrBoB> kaffeend: you've burnt the iso onto a CD as a file
[01:52] <JaZy84> and i'm getting ALOT of packages that are being kept back. it didn't upgrade
[01:52] <JaZy84> from what i see.
[01:52] <nox> use k3b
[01:52] <conflikt> does ubuntu have it its own hardware configuer because i just downloaded my driver and installed
[01:52] <HrdwrBoB> kaffeend: you need to burn it as an image
[01:52] <JaZy84> how can i get around it holding back packages
[01:52] <levander> HrdwrBoB: well, cdrecord that has proper output would be nice. I have to log cdrecord output from cron so I don't get all these emails from cron. Like the UNIX way, only emails when something fails under cron.
[01:52] <evilmegaman> equex I am here for the exact same reason
[01:52] <levander> HrdwrBoB: and, more importantly, udftools does not work. I'm convinced of it after spending three days of free time trying to get it to work.
[01:52] <mjr> equex, dunno about the ATI binary driver, but by the way, 9200 _should_ work accelerated with the default free driver also
[01:52] <equex> evilmegaman: lol
[01:53] <kaffeend> HrdwrBoB I was informed by the Nero Wizard that that's exactly what it was doing
[01:53] <equex> mjr: seems 2d acc is working , but GL doesnt work
[01:53] <levander> HrdwrBoB: can't mount a dvdrw and write to it like a normal filesystem at all under linux. I don't think it's ubuntu specific
[01:53] <JaZy84> never mind need dist-upgrade not upgrade :P
[01:53] <evilmegaman> I have 9550 so I need the non free one
[01:53] <conflikt> and someone gimme a hand ?
[01:53] <cafuego> Isn't a 9550 just an ove4rclocked 9200?
[01:54] <evilmegaman> I suppose
[01:54] <evilmegaman> I don't think so
[01:54] <kaffeend> I began by making a data cd - should I have chosen Bootable disc?
[01:54] <fishie> omg i just shat my pants
[01:54] <fishie> :\
[01:54] <levander> Linux has always been a little behind when it comes to optical drives. Remember when you use to have to switch your CD drive to be handled by ide-scsi to burn discs? That was odd, and was advanced configuration of Linux, newb couldn't do it.
[01:54] <mjr> cafuego, nope
[01:55] <mjr> cafuego, the r300.sourceforge.net project is making good progress in supporting that and other newer radeons, but no release yet
[01:55] <kaffeend> levander - if you're talking to me, I have no idea what you just said :/
[01:55] <nox> how to install a new kernel?
[01:55] <nox> somebody told me something about "sudo apt-get install kern*"
[01:55] <nickrud> kaffeend, your answer is yes :)
[01:55] <nox> something like that
[01:56] <levander> kaffeend: was talking to HrdwrBoB, hopefully he understood
[01:56] <kaffeend> nickrud - you mean bootable disc?
[01:56] <nickrud> kaffeend, yes
[01:56] <kaffeend> okay
[01:56] <kaffeend> but it was gonna be 28 meg
[01:56] <HrdwrBoB> levander: ah
[01:57] <HrdwrBoB> levander: basically 'most' people just burn write-once DVDs using the GUI or gnomebaker etc
[01:57] <levander> those two things, and I'd be happy with optical drives under Linux, note that I really don't think it's ubuntu specific. Think it's all of linux
[01:57] <avanspronsen> kaffeend: Nero has an option for writing an ISO. The ISO once written will ensure the disc is bootable
[01:57] <levander> HrdwrBoB: true, most people
[01:57] <kaffeend> levander - similarly, Windows DOESN'T recognise SATA as anything BUT SCSI
[01:58] <ColonelKernel> rofl , my ban get refreshed in #fedora, banned since jul 8 for nuthin - introduced me to ubuntu though - thanks anvil
[01:58] <levander> kaffeend: but, you didn't have to reconfigure your drivers to recognize it as such under Windows.
[01:58] <Madpilot> if I'm messing around with adding my own scripts to BASH, should I stick them in .bashrc or .bash_profile?
[01:58] <acidspoon> hi @ll
[01:58] <levander> kaffeend: wouldn't have mattered to me if it was auto-handled for you
[01:58] <HrdwrBoB> levander: I'm using an SATA drive on two motherboards, both worked fine
[01:58] <kaffeend> levander - oh yes I did
[01:58] <acidspoon> kann mir jemand bitte sagen, wie ich grub wieder in den mbr schreibe
[01:58] <floppyears> Madpilot: .bashrc
[01:58] <levander> HrdwrBoB: I was talking history, they fixed the ide-scsi thing in kernel 2.6
[01:58] <acidspoon> mein windows liegt auf hda1
[01:58] <kaffeend> setup said there was no device detected
[01:58] <acidspoon> ubuntu auf hdb1
[01:58] <mjr> levander, packet writing support is available for Linux out of tree, but I agree it'd be nice if it was polished and made easily available and usable
[01:58] <Madpilot> floppyears: thanks.
[01:59] <HrdwrBoB> levander: yeah true
[01:59] <Madpilot> !de
[01:59] <ubotu> Madpilot: Wish i knew
[01:59] <gilv> what's the command to manually install a deb package ?
[01:59] <gilv> ubuntu.deb package
[01:59] <catolh> dpkg -i <package>
[01:59] <avanspronsen> gilv: dpkg -I
[01:59] <floppyears> gilv: dpkg -i
[01:59] <sdlkfz> i'm thinking about moving to ubuntu, what is the difference between that and Debian sid?
[02:00] <HrdwrBoB> sdlkfz: ubuntu is like debian only .. better
[02:00] <floppyears> sdlkfz: ubuntu has a much better community. Ubuntu is targeted more towards desktops, ubuntu has great docs and website
[02:00] <Zodiac> Ubuntu is greatness wrapped in pure sweetness
[02:00] <HrdwrBoB> for the desktop
[02:00] <evilmegaman> Can anyone tell me what I need to do to get the fglrx driver to take the place of mesa3d?
[02:00] <HrdwrBoB> for the server, there's little difference
[02:00] <sdlkfz> cool
[02:01] <gilv> floppyears: it will automatically erase or upgrade my old package installed with synaptics, right ?
[02:01] <sdlkfz> i've been trying out many linux flavors recently, and they have turned out better than i thought with just two annoying problems: installing java and playing this xvid file
[02:01] <sdlkfz> i know debian doesn't have a java deb file
[02:02] <kaffeend> Is it possible that someone here can give me a step by step on making this disc please? I know it's a lot to ask, but I am quite obviously thick as 6 bricks
[02:02] <equex> Ubuntu is greatness wrapped in pure sweetness <- ubuntu made me switch from windows after 10 years of it.. used amiga/etc. before that
[02:03] <ColonelKernel> Ubuntu is very nice, im in the process of migrating from windoze now
[02:03] <floppyears> gilv: it will install that package. If you already have a newer version of that package it won't downgrade.
[02:03] <HrdwrBoB> why does NFS give me load averages of ridiculous amounts
[02:03] <Madpilot> kaffeend: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BurningIsoHowto has Windows instructions
[02:03] <floppyears> gilv: it will install that package if it's newer than what you have on your system
[02:03] <equex> i havent booted windows in two weeks or so
[02:04] <kaffeend> Madpilot - tried that but I couldn't make much sense of it
[02:04] <equex> all that remains is to get OpenGL to work now :(
[02:04] <kaffeend> I'm REALLY tired
[02:04] <mjr> sdlkfz, there isn't prepackaged java for ubuntu either, but there is an automatic packager. As for xvid, gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg (or totem-xine) is required from universe so that totem will play those, due to patent restrictions
[02:04] <Madpilot> kafeine: it's only six steps - not sure how much simpler it could be made.
[02:05] <windex> question
[02:05] <faroh> linux-wlan-ng-X.Y.Z.tar.gz where can I find this file?
[02:05] <faroh> linux-wlan-ng-X.Y.Z.tar.gz where can I find this file?
[02:05] <windex> i appear to be missing manpages that exist in libc-dev packages on debian and i can't find them. e.g. pthread_create
[02:05] <sdlkfz> great, i'll try it out; i'm running yoper right now but it's community is small
[02:05] <mjr> sdlkfz, (of course, I was referring to Sun's java; the usual free java implementations are available, with their current limitations)
[02:05] <kaffeend> Madpilot - it directed me to download a beta something or other... that's where I got lost
[02:05] <sdlkfz> heh, yoper's website has been down all day
[02:06] <Madpilot> kaffeend: the ISO burning program? apparently Windows has no built-in ISO burners, which bites
[02:06] <kaffeend> and please treat me as simpler
[02:06] <kaffeend> found that out the hard way
[02:06] <Razor-X> any LaTeXers here right now?
[02:06] <sdlkfz> dvddecrypter is a good small iso burner
[02:06] <faroh> i have a sitecom wl-012 usb adapter, i have upgraded the wlan-ng package
[02:06] <faroh> but doesnt work
[02:06] <ColonelKernel> sdlkfz, works well in windoze, esp for ripping dvd's
[02:07] <Madpilot> kaffeend: http://isorecorder.alexfeinman.com/Beta.htm <- very first link on this page is the file you want, I think
[02:07] <cafuego> Oooher.
[02:07] <faroh> i am under windows now because i can't get internet on my ubuntu
[02:07] <kaffeend> Madpilot - I do have Nero (now that I installed it on someone else's recommendation) can I not use that instead of this other thing?
[02:07] <windex> oohh.
[02:07] <windex> its in glibc-doc
[02:07] <windex> how silly.
[02:08] <nox> kaffeend, why don`t you just use k3b ?
[02:08] <Madpilot> kaffeend: no idea, I never used Nero. check the Nero docs to see if it'll burn ISOs
[02:08] <ColonelKernel> yes nero burns isos
[02:08] <sdlkfz> nero does
[02:08] <faroh> linux-wlan-ng-X.Y.Z.tar.gz where can I find this file?
[02:08] <cafuego> kaffeend: Recorder -> Burn Image
[02:08] <Madpilot> can someone who knows Nero help kaffeend?
[02:08] <kaffeend> Madpilot - I'll follow your link and your advice - thanks again everyone for putting up with me
[02:08] <Razor-X> ahhh, nevermind, my LaTeX was fixed
[02:09] <faroh> linux-wlan-ng-X.Y.Z.tar.gz where can I find this file?
[02:09] <cafuego> faroh: Nowhere.
[02:09] <sdlkfz> kaffeend: open nero, select burn image file, under file type choose All Files
[02:09] <kaffeend> I actually have slight brain damage which is quite restricting at times so I am slow to type and absorb some things
[02:09] <faroh> ??
[02:09] <cafuego> !find linux-wlan-ng
[02:09] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'linux-wlan-ng' (2 shown): linux-wlan-ng ;; linux-wlan-ng-doc.
[02:09] <sdlkfz> kaffeend: and find the iso
[02:09] <cafuego> faroh: apt-get install linux-wlan-ng
[02:10] <faroh> i did
[02:10] <faroh> but didnt worked
[02:10] <arbir> anybody uses PostgreSQL ?
[02:10] <faroh> he does find my usb adapter
[02:10] <cafuego> faroh: Is your card supported?
[02:10] <kaffeend> sldkfz thankyou for that
[02:10] <faroh> i have a prism2 card
[02:10] <faroh> 2.x
[02:10] <sdlkfz> kaffeend: so it worked?
[02:10] <cafuego> faroh: Probably not, then.
[02:11] <faroh> i tried everything but i won't work
[02:11] <cafuego> faroh: Why not just use the orinoco or prism driver?
[02:11] <faroh> orinico?
[02:11] <kaffeend> sdlkfz no I haven't gotten that far yet :/
[02:11] <faroh> how do you mean
[02:11] <faroh> prism driver?
[02:12] <faroh> i tried the drivers from my usb adpater
[02:12] <faroh> but wouldn't work
[02:12] <cafuego> I'm pretty sure the kernel has prism-usb drivers built-in.
[02:13] <faroh> but where?
[02:13] <faroh> i am a real newbie
[02:13] <faroh> i know my way around but it's new
[02:14] <kaffeend> sdlkfz I do not have those options anywhere in Nero that I can see - for example I could not find "burn image file"
[02:16] <kaffeend> my mistake I have found it! it is the only icon with a folder
[02:16] <sdlkfz> kaffeend: yea, it's easy to miss
[02:16] <crimsun> Mez: cat /proc/asound/modules
[02:16] <kaffeend> it is for me
[02:17] <sdlkfz> how new is ubuntu?
[02:17] <Discipulus> Pretty new
[02:17] <kaffeend> I must admit that I am almost overwhelmed by the enormity of this "project".
[02:17] <ColonelKernel> new distro, good distro, great support community
[02:17] <ColonelKernel> I havent seen any of the ops in here go nuts '
[02:17] <sdlkfz> looks like it
[02:17] <Arnia> hm. anyone here able to help me with some evangelism for a project?
[02:18] <ColonelKernel> cant say the same for #fedora and #debian
[02:18] <sdlkfz> i looove debian as a server
[02:18] <ColonelKernel> debians a great distro with a very nasty channel
[02:18] <Arnia> I have a web page but I need someone who doesn't know anything about the project to tell me what bits make no sense
[02:18] <Mez> crimsun, I'm in breezy atm
[02:18] <sdlkfz> about a year ago #debian was really helpful
[02:18] <ColonelKernel> fedora is a weak distro with a nasty support channel
[02:18] <Xenguy> ColonelKernel: you just have to know who to /ignore :-)
[02:19] <Madpilot> Arnia: post the url?
[02:19] <crimsun> Mez: ping me when you're in Hoary again.
[02:19] <sdlkfz> i went in last week, and yea, not great
[02:19] <Arnia> Madpilot: http://www.dur.ac.uk/j.r.c.geldart/projects/frege/
[02:19] <ColonelKernel> Xenguy, kind of hard to ignore ops who ban you for nothing.
[02:19] <kaffeend> well, thankyou sdlkfz and others (sorry for not naming you all) for your advice and help - now I have a cd to burn
[02:19] <Mez> crimsun: give me a sec to finish making this pbuild and I will reboot
[02:19] <windex> ColonelKernel, debian people are just bitter from all the bad press recently. :)
[02:19] <Xenguy> ColonelKernel: they do not suffer foolish questions/behaviour for long, true
[02:19] <Mez> crimsun: see you on the flip side
[02:20] <ColonelKernel> Xenguy, they commit foolish/childish/bipolar behavior all the time. God forbid you actually ask some support questions.
[02:20] <transgress> keyboard.c: can't emulate rawmode for keycode 240
[02:20] <transgress> i keep getting that error in dmesg
[02:20] <Xenguy> ColonelKernel: meh, I agree and I disagree -- it depends
[02:21] <transgress> and it makes my bios beep
[02:21] <transgress> but i don't know what causes it
[02:21] <Madpilot> Arnia: well, very little of it makes sense - but that's me, not the writing. ;) Actually, for technical writing it seems clearer than most...
[02:21] <transgress> any help?
[02:21] <stan-am> hey guys
[02:21] <windex> transgress, you seem to be hitting a key that the keymap in the kernel does not know what to do with.
[02:21] <arbir> where can i find the latest PostgreSQl packages?
[02:21] <ColonelKernel> Xenguy, perhaps - when they put ops in there they know are bipolar and abusive, the channel is crap. THerefore the support is crap. Hence, the distro is crap for anyone but developers.
[02:21] <transgress> windex: it doesn't happen when i'm typing... it just happens seemingly continually
[02:21] <windex> transgress, do you perhaps have a logitech keyboard with a boat load of silly keys for navigation?
[02:21] <stan-am> does anyone have a url to download XML-PARSER?
[02:21] <Arnia> Madpilot: I'm trying to put the word around without a blog. Its a little tricky :)
[02:21] <arbir> i have tried in backports as well.. but i dont see the 8.x series of postgresql
[02:22] <transgress> windex: yes i do, but i'm not hitting any unmapped keys... this stuff happens while i sleep heh
[02:22] <Xenguy> ColonelKernel: Let's agree to disagree :-)
[02:22] <windex> transgress, hm. not sure then. your keyboard might be faulty and sending random keys? :) that error is almost always due to what i described above in my experience, but YMMV
[02:22] <cafuego> transgress: got a cat?
[02:22] <windex> +1 cafuego
[02:22] <transgress> cafuego: ha yes, but she isn't walking on the keyboard lol.
[02:22] <stan-am> hello?
[02:22] <stan-am> does anyone have a url to download XML-PARSER?
[02:23] <cafuego> transgress: I wouldn't be so sure...
[02:23] <cafuego> transgress: I know for a fact mine do, when I'm not looking.
[02:23] <windex> stan-am, perl module?
[02:23] <transgress> cafuego: well it just happened like 30 seconds ago, but i was standing up talking on the phone next to the keyboard
[02:23] <cafuego> One of the bastards actually typed stuff into a root shell.
[02:23] <stan-am> yes windex
[02:23] <stan-am> perl module
[02:23] <Geist|Patrick> hi
[02:24] <Madpilot> cafuego: reason #6442 not to run as root ;)
[02:24] <transgress> cafuego: haha teach you to leave a rootshell openh
[02:24] <windex> stan-am, 'sudo perl -MCPAN -e shell', then type 'install XML::Parser' into its prompt.
[02:24] <Discipulus> anyone here upgraded to the 2.6.11 kernel?
[02:24] <nJess> does ndiswrapper work in ubuntu 64?
[02:24] <ColonelKernel> Xenguy, nothing to disagree about really - for me, its pointless to use a distro if you go to the support channel and get banned by some crazy man for no reason. If you disagree I guess thats your preogative, maybe youre a developer or you know enough programming to figure out your own problems, but for someone who's looking to migrate from windoze, or learn more about linux, its really pointless to use a distro who's community is intent on discouragi
[02:24] <ColonelKernel> ng learning.
[02:24] <cafuego> transgress: I was only gone for 2 mins, to make a coffee.
[02:24] <windex> stan-am, you may need to do some configuration
[02:24] <Xenguy> ColonelKernel: I'm not arguing anymore
[02:24] <Mez> crimsun, ping
[02:24] <ColonelKernel> ok.
[02:24] <crimsun> Mez: pong
[02:25] <windex> stan-am, unless you have a funky network you can tell it you are not ready for configuration and it will use defaults.
[02:25] <ka234> Is GnomeBaker 0.4 going to be in the repositories some time?
[02:25] <Mez> crimsun am in hoary - wanna take this in private?
[02:25] <cafuego> !info gnomebaker breezy
[02:25] <crimsun> Mez: here's fine
[02:25] <ubotu> gnomebaker: (application for CD/DVD creation in the GNOME desktop), section universe/gnome, is optional. Version: 0.3+20050430-1 (breezy), Packaged size: 368 kB, Installed size: 1268 kB
[02:25] <Geist|Patrick> has someone an idea how to figure out the driverversion of ati's driver which is avaible in synaptic
[02:25] <cafuego> ka234: I wouldn't hole my breath
[02:25] <nJess> !ndiswrapper
[02:25] <ubotu> [ndiswrapper] at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[02:25] <ka234> oh so its only for Breezy then?
[02:25] <ColonelKernel> what is gnomebaker?
[02:25] <Mez> crimsun make sure you say my name then or I'm more likely to miss it :D
[02:25] <crimsun> Mez: of course
[02:26] <cafuego> ka234: Probably; except it's not even in breezy yet.
[02:26] <Discipulus> !info gnomebaker hoary
[02:26] <ubotu> gnomebaker: (application for CD/DVD creation in the GNOME desktop), section universe/gnome, is optional. Version: 0.3-3 (hoary), Packaged size: 384 kB, Installed size: 1244 kB
[02:26] <Mez> crimsun, so whta first?
[02:26] <crimsun> Mez: cat /proc/asound/modules
[02:26] <Discipulus> ColonelKernel, a CD burning application
[02:26] <stan-am> windex what was that command??
[02:26] <windex> stan-am, did that help?
[02:27] <Mez> 0 snd_cmipci
[02:27] <Mez> 1 snd_bt87x
[02:27] <Mez> 2 snd_usb_audio
[02:27] <Mez> crimsun ^^
[02:27] <Geist|Patrick> i reconfigured xserver and get following output:
[02:27] <Geist|Patrick> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/884
[02:27] <crimsun> Mez: which do you want to use?
[02:27] <Discipulus> anyone using 2.6.11?
[02:27] <stan-am> i got some manual configuration thing
[02:27] <Mez> crimsun, 0
[02:27] <windex> stan-am, 'sudo perl -MCPAN -e shell' to launch cpan, then 'install XML::Parser' into that program
[02:27] <Geist|Patrick> is this correct
[02:27] <stan-am> what is cpan?
[02:27] <wardhana> helo,,,
[02:27] <crimsun> Mez: paste the output from amixer onto paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[02:27] <stan-am> sorry im such a newbie...
[02:27] <cafuego> windex: No!
[02:28] <windex> cafuego, hm?
[02:28] <cafuego> stan-am: cpan is a perl archive. Do NOT do what windex said.
[02:28] <wardhana> help me ...
[02:28] <cafuego> windex: dh-make-perl
[02:28] <windex> cafuego, and that does?
[02:28] <Discipulus> cafuego, why shouldn't he run that comman?
[02:28] <Discipulus> cafuego, why shouldn't he run that command?
[02:28] <cafuego> windex: turns cpan downloads into .deb files
[02:28] <windex> cafuego, when installing perl modules, cpan is usually the place to start.
[02:28] <flodine> hello can someone help me with openbox please
[02:28] <wardhana> what i do if my password lost
[02:29] <cafuego> Discipulus: it will install fiels the package system doesn't know about.
[02:29] <Mez> crimsun, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/885
[02:29] <wardhana> ?
[02:29] <windex> cafuego, ok? and? :)
[02:29] <windex> right.
[02:29] <cafuego> windex: This is normally considered BAD>
[02:29] <stan-am> how do i know if xml got installed windex?
[02:29] <cafuego> dh-make-perl --cpan XML::Parser
[02:29] <windex> cafuego, depends. many packages in cpan aren't in the apt repositories.
[02:29] <crimsun> Mez: that's all the output?
[02:30] <cafuego> windex: Correct, that's what dh-make-perl is *for*
[02:30] <stan-am> how do i know if xml got installed windex?
[02:30] <windex> stan-am, if cpan completed and came back to a prompt, it's likely done.
[02:30] <stan-am> it didnt
[02:30] <Mez> crimsun - from amixer yes
[02:30] <stan-am> crap...
[02:30] <cafuego> The above example creates libperlxml-parser_foo.deb
[02:30] <windex> stan-am, what did it do?
[02:30] <windex> stan-am, is it still running?
[02:30] <cafuego> Which you can then install (and manage) via the normal tools.
[02:30] <flodine> someone running openbox help me
[02:30] <crimsun> Mez: then 1.0.6's asound.state is incompatible with 1.0.9b's for your card
[02:31] <stan-am> Is already unwrapped into directory /root/.cpan/build/XML-Parser-2.34
[02:31] <stan-am> Has already been processed within this session
[02:31] <stan-am> Running make test
[02:31] <stan-am> Can't test without successful make
[02:31] <stan-am> Running make install
[02:31] <stan-am> make had returned bad status, install seems impossible
[02:31] <cafuego> So you don't get files that a normal upgrade might not expect and BREAK on.
[02:31] <wardhana> alooo
[02:31] <Mez> crimsun, wha?
[02:31] <wardhana> what i do if my password lost
[02:31] <windex> stan-am, hrm..
[02:31] <cafuego> stan-am: 'sudo apt-get install dh-make-perl'
[02:31] <stan-am> lemme see cafuego
[02:31] <windex> stan-am, yeah do what cafuego is saying.
[02:31] <windex> stan-am, his way is technically better.
[02:31] <cafuego> stan-am: Then 'dh-make-perl --cpan XML::Parser'
[02:31] <crimsun> Mez: you need to delete /var/lib/alsa/asound.state after unloading all the modules, then reinsert them
[02:32] <cafuego> s/technically/
[02:32] <snivitz0> How do I give Nautilus a transparent background?
[02:32] <Mez> crimsun: so I cant use sound in breezy and in hoary?
[02:32] <crimsun> Mez: you will have to do this everytime you boot back into Hoary after running Breezy.
[02:32] <cafuego> stan-am: .. when that finished, you have a new .deb file you can install. it MAY or may not give you errros/warnings when you install it, due to windex'es command failing.
[02:33] <Mez> crimsun, is it not possible to backport it?
[02:33] <stan-am> then how can i install that file cafuego?
[02:33] <windex> cafuego, it should be fine, his cpan error meant it bailed out.
[02:33] <crimsun> Mez: sure, it's possible, but you'll have to watch the versioned depends.
[02:33] <cafuego> stan-am: See if it works first
[02:33] <Mez> crimsun, what would I need to backport
[02:33] <cafuego> !find xml-parser
[02:33] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'xml-parser' (3 shown): libxml-parser-perl ;; libxml-parser-ruby1.6 ;; libxml-parser-ruby1.8.
[02:33] <cafuego> jesus, it's already apckages anyway
[02:33] <cafuego> stan-am: 'sudo apt-get install libxml-parser-perl'
[02:33] <crimsun> Mez: anything that alsa-base and alsa-utils touch.
[02:34] <cafuego> stan-am: .. done.
[02:34] <Flying_Eagle> howdy
[02:34] <stan-am> cafuego: i did, it sez " The following NEW packages will be installed:
[02:34] <stan-am> dh-make-perl libyaml-perl
[02:34] <stan-am> 0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
[02:34] <stan-am> Need to get 80.3kB of archives.
[02:34] <stan-am> After unpacking 328kB of additional disk space will be used.
[02:34] <stan-am> Do you want to continue [Y/n] ? y
[02:34] <stan-am> Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe libyaml-perl 0.35-1 [60.2kB]
[02:34] <stan-am> Get:2 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe dh-make-perl 0.12 [20.1kB]
[02:34] <stan-am> Fetched 80.3kB in 7s (10.1kB/s)
[02:34] <stan-am> "
[02:34] <crimsun> stan-am: please don't flood
[02:34] <cafuego> stan-am: Thank you for not pasting into the channel.
[02:34] <Mez> crimsun- touch ?
[02:34] <bimberi> wardhana: boot into recovery mode and change it with "passwd <username>"
[02:34] <Mez> you mean rdepends/
[02:34] <stan-am> cafuego: sorry dude
[02:34] <cafuego> stan-am: 'sudo apt-get install libxml-parser-perl'
[02:34] <cafuego> stan-am: it's already prepackaged.
[02:34] <wardhana> any human
[02:34] <wardhana> here
[02:35] <bimberi> wardhana: boot into recovery mode and change it with "passwd <username>"
[02:35] <wardhana> aloooo
[02:35] <wardhana> ya
[02:35] <Mez> crimsun: wouldnt I just have to backport alsa-base and alsa-utils?
[02:35] <crimsun> Mez: sec, phone
[02:35] <Mez> kk crimsun poke me when back
[02:36] <Gorth> GUYS
[02:36] <stan-am> cafuego: it did set up some things, is there anything else i can do to check it did work?
[02:36] <cafuego> GIRLS
[02:36] <Gorth> MR LINUX DIDN'T LET ME SET A ROOT PASSWORD DURING SETUP :(
[02:36] <cafuego> stan-am: it worked.
[02:36] <cafuego> Gorth: So?
[02:36] <Gorth> how am i supposed to log into root?!
[02:36] <stan-am> cafuego: thanks a lot bro!
[02:36] <cafuego> Gorth: Why do you thjink you need one?
[02:36] <stan-am> u rule man
[02:36] <stan-am> hehe
[02:36] <cafuego> Gorth: The idea is you log in as normal user and use 'sudo'.
[02:36] <wardhana> boot into recovery mode ?
[02:36] <Flying_Eagle> gorth: sudo passwd root
[02:37] <wardhana> how boot into recovery mode ?
[02:37] <Gorth> thanks eagle
[02:37] <windex> stan-am, sorry i couldn't help better. turns out i'm retarded. :D
[02:37] <wardhana> more detail
[02:37] <glick> excuse me, does anyone know where i can find a good personal budgeting/finance program?
[02:38] <stan-am> windex: u guys know what u r talking about, im just lost in this command jungle, fucking windows fried my mind for too many years
[02:38] <cafuego> glick: CafuegoBank will help you. Would you mind eating noodles for the next 4 years?
[02:38] <stan-am> windex: thx a lot for ure help too dude
[02:38] <glick> im serious
[02:38] <pax> !find kmymoney2
[02:38] <ubotu> kmymoney2: (Personal finance manager for KDE), section universe/utils, is optional. Version: 0.6.4-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 1452 kB, Installed size: 4156 kB
[02:38] <sdlkfz> glick: i hear gnucash is good
[02:38] <windex> stan-am, well, as it turns out, inferior perl module distribution systems have fried my mind for too many years.
[02:38] <cafuego> glick: Gnucash?
[02:38] <bimberi> wardhana: reboot your PC; when the grub menu appears use the arrow keys to select the option with "(recovery mode)" at the end; press Enter
[02:38] <chaps0063> how do I get a higher version than 1.0.2 of firefox?
[02:39] <chaps0063> I tried apt-get install mozilla-firefox and now its not working right
[02:39] <Gorth> dobo@bunito:~$ sudo passwd root
[02:39] <Gorth> Password:
[02:39] <Gorth> Sorry, try again.
[02:39] <cafuego> chaps0063: The security updates archives carry 1.0.6 atm.
[02:39] <stan-am> windex: i wish i knew wtf im doin in front of the console
[02:39] <stan-am> windex: hehe
[02:39] <cafuego> chaps0063: Do you have those enabled in sources.list?
[02:39] <windex> stan-am, just remember the worst thing that can happen is that you have to reinstall. :)
[02:39] <cafuego> stan-am: In 10 more eyars, you will.
[02:40] <chaps0063> cafuego: I think so...how do I get apt-get to stop trying with the current downloaded updates?
[02:40] <crimsun> Mez: back. No, you'd have to tweak their build-depends, too, and consequently their respective depends.
[02:40] <cafuego> Gorth: 'sudo -s' "your password" - voila, root shell.
[02:40] <bimberi> Gorth: try life without a root account; it takes a bit of getting used to but it works
[02:40] <windex> cafuego, oddly, that's about how long i've been using linux, and i'm still missing pieces. :D
[02:40] <crimsun> Mez: you'll see when you try.
[02:40] <stan-am> windex,cafuego: i already re formatted 6 times... ive been using ubuntu for less than a month
[02:40] <cafuego> chaps0063: Just ctrl-c it
[02:40] <Gorth> everyone: :(
[02:40] <dibbon> I happen to be an avid root lover
[02:40] <floppyears> chaps0063: apt-get clean
[02:40] <chaps0063> it has stopped but with errors...
[02:40] <cafuego> Gorth: 'sudo -s' "your password" - voila, root shell.
[02:40] <stan-am> windex, cafuego: i guess thats the only way to learn
[02:40] <Mez> crimsun: I may have to tweak their depends ... but they are the two packages that I backport - yes?
[02:40] <windex> stan-am, hah! :) see, from wasting all the time on reinstalling, you'll eventually train yourself to read docs first.
[02:40] <floppyears> Gorth: try sudo -i
[02:41] <cafuego> stan-am: By fucking up somewhat massively, yes indeed :-)
[02:41] <crimsun> Mez: iirc, you will touch discover and hotplug, too, but it has been a couple months
[02:41] <stan-am> windex: wise words
[02:41] <stan-am> cafuego: haha
[02:41] <cafuego> Gorth: Step one is realising you have no need for a root shell.
[02:41] <Gorth> ...
[02:41] <Gorth> guys this is crazy
[02:41] <JaZy84> can someone help me with a codec problem i installed vlc.. i can get video to play but no audio
[02:42] <chaps0063> cafuego: it tells me to try apt-get -f install
[02:42] <cafuego> Gorth: Think outside the box, c'mon.. you can do it.
[02:42] <crimsun> JaZy84: are you using the default Hoary sound settings?
[02:42] <windex> Gorth, no its not. really, you do not need to run everyday applications as root. if you need a root shell, use sudo /bin/bash
[02:42] <bimberi> Gorth: crazy?
[02:42] <chaps0063> cafuego: and i do that and it doesn't work out.
[02:42] <JaZy84> i have a mp3 and i tried playing with toem but was told that no decoder was found.
[02:42] <JaZy84> ..
[02:42] <floppyears> JaZy84: try mplayer it has very good codec support
[02:42] <JaZy84> i think so
[02:42] <stan-am> windex, cafuego: its just that im not used to run a command in order to make the OS do things automatically, im used to download zips and running exes
[02:42] <crimsun> JaZy84: then you need to install 'vlc-esd'
[02:42] <cafuego> chaps0063: Hmm. Mebbe continue 'im then (type sudo apt-get -f install and let it finish)
[02:42] <JaZy84> thanks crimsun
[02:42] <JaZy84> i'll try that.
[02:42] <Gorth> i don't use root for everyday stuff
[02:42] <pax> Gorth: sudo passwd root <yourpass> (nock yourself out)
[02:42] <Gorth> just setting privileges and whatnot
[02:42] <chaps0063> cafuego: it doesn't finish.
[02:42] <cafuego> Gorth: yeah, sudo is great for that.
[02:42] <floppyears> Gorth: run root only when absolutely necessary
[02:43] <cafuego> Gorth: And you only need your _own_ password.
[02:43] <gigaclon> Gorth, sudo is the bomb
[02:43] <windex> Gorth, thats fine, use sudo /bin/bash. sudo is more secure than enabling a root password. i promise. :)
[02:43] <Xenguy> Gorth: it's a different security model, and there are pro's and con's -- read more on the web site for gory details
[02:43] <cafuego> Gorth: You'll be used to it after a day, I promise :-)
[02:43] <stan-am> windex, cafuego: its just that im not used to run a command in order to make the OS do things automatically, im used to download zips and running exes
[02:43] <Mez> crimsun: hmm
[02:43] <stan-am> windex, cafuego: i just cannot get used to all o those commands
[02:43] <sklp> sudo owns ;-)
[02:43] <chaps0063> cafuego: it talks about a broken pipe...
[02:43] <Gorth> whenever i try sudo for ANYTHING
[02:43] <Gorth> it asks for a password
[02:43] <Xenguy> Gorth: personally, I tried the 'new sudo' method and absolutely hated it ;-)
[02:43] <cafuego> Gorth: YOUR password
[02:43] <Arnia> Gorth: Enter your own password
[02:43] <floppyears> Gorth: you type in your own password
[02:43] <Gorth> OH
[02:43] <cafuego> Gorth: Not a root password
[02:43] <gigaclon> Gorth, use your user password
[02:43] <Gorth> hahaha
[02:43] <Gorth> sorry guys
[02:44] <windex> someone does not know how sudo works! :D
[02:44] <Gorth> i've never used it
[02:44] <cafuego> Gorth: basically, anything needing to run as root, put sudo in front of it.
[02:44] <Gorth> ...
[02:44] <cafuego> Gorth: if you need a shell, 'sudo -s'
[02:44] <JaZy84> crimsun will i have to reboot, cuz i instlled it through apt.. ran again and still no change.
[02:44] <Gorth> does this mean that any user can do sudo?!
[02:44] <windex> oh, that too
[02:44] <windex> i always just sudo /bin/bash
[02:45] <cafuego> Gorth: No, ONLY users in the 'admin' group.
[02:45] <crimsun> JaZy84: no, you don't have to reboot.
[02:45] <pax> Gorth: have to be in the sudoers list
[02:45] <wardhana> i did`nt wrote password first installation
[02:45] <windex> Gorth, only users in the 'admin' group, which the default user is in
[02:45] <wardhana> ???
[02:45] <cafuego> Gorth: Which by default is ONLY the user you added during install.
[02:45] <floppyears> Gorth: no, you can set that up with visudo
[02:45] <JaZy84> no dice on that.. is there a codec pack?
[02:45] <jasoncohen> redtech, i'm glad i could help
[02:45] <wardhana> so can`nt login...
[02:45] <crimsun> JaZy84: you need to restart vlc, of course
[02:45] <JaZy84> duh :P
[02:45] <JaZy84> i did, and still nothing
[02:45] <cafuego> Gorth: You can fiddle with the config file and say add root access for specific users for only specific commands etc. Very nice.
[02:46] <windex> or you can add everyone you want to have root access to the admin group
[02:46] <crimsun> JaZy84: gstreamer0.8-mad installed?
[02:46] <chaps0063> /var/cache/apt/archives/firefox_1.0.6-1ubuntu1~5.04ubp1_i386.deb...E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:46] <bimberi> wardhana: if you boot into recovery mode you won't be asked for a password
[02:46] <stan-am> windex, cafuego: whats the sudo apt-get command to get a C compiler installed_
[02:46] <windex> or you can decide to let everyone become root and put NOPASSWD: in the flags.
[02:46] <JaZy84> not sure
[02:46] <wardhana> i did`nt wrote password first installation, so i can not login. what i must do...????
[02:46] <cafuego> wardhana: Reboot the machine, choose 'Recovery Mode' from the menu. Wait for a shell, type 'passwd username' - set a password.
[02:46] <cafuego> stan-am: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[02:46] <Octane> anyone know why did installing htdig create a directory named 'htdig' in my /var/www that is filled with some random images?
[02:47] <windex> stan-am, my reccomendation is to install the following (via sudo aptitude install ..): gcc bison g++ manpages-dev glibc-doc automake autoconf
[02:47] <Gorth> welp
[02:47] <JaZy84> no doesn't look like it was
[02:47] <Gorth> thanks guys
[02:47] <Gorth> time to go help grandma :O
[02:47] <windex> stan-am, that should give you enough utilities and manpages to do most compiler related tasks.
[02:47] <chaps0063> any thoughts on that error?
[02:47] <cafuego> chaps0063: Ok, 'sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/firefox_1.0.6-1ubuntu1 ....'
[02:47] <stan-am> windex, cafuego: superv guys, i better get my notepad n start takin note :P
[02:47] <wardhana> i did`nt found the choosing 'Recovery Mode' or anythink
[02:48] <cafuego> chaps0063: Then check for the ACTUAL error.
[02:48] <ubuntu> this is me first time using linux
[02:48] <JaZy84> i installed it still same problem. no audio.. as far as movies/mp3
[02:48] <bimberi> Octane: that will be files for the htdig web interface. Try looking at http://localhost/htdig
[02:48] <chris_> anybody experience with asus_acpi (or other acpi modules)? I'm trying to get my asus-notebook hotkeys running, everything works fine, the only problem is, that it's executed 2 times (always), so it does not make sense since it turns off wlan and then 1 sec after again on - and I just do not get the error
[02:48] <windex> stan-am, :)
[02:48] <Xenguy> ubuntu: congrats :-)
[02:48] <Octane> bimberi: there are no index files in there or anything else though
[02:48] <cafuego> ubuntu: ... and you got it online and on irc first try; good job :-)
[02:48] <chaps0063> cafuego: trying to overwrite `/var/lib/mozilla-firefox/extensions.d/00classic', which is also in package mozilla-firefox
[02:49] <ubuntu> yeah, I`m using ubuntu live-CD..
[02:49] <stan-am> windex, cafuego: can any of ya guys send me a private?
[02:49] <stan-am> no ! there, sorry
[02:49] <cafuego> chaps0063: *nod* 'dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/firefox_1.0.6-1ubuntu1 ....'
[02:49] <cafuego> chaps0063: ... that ought to force it to overwrite that file.
[02:49] <bimberi> Octane: hm - not sure about that - does that link work though?
[02:49] <wardhana> i did`nt found the choosing 'Recovery Mode' or anythink .....................
[02:50] <chaps0063> dpkg - warning, overriding problem because --force enabled: trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/mozilla-firefox', which is also in package mozilla-firefox
[02:50] <Determinist> what syntax should i use to add a fat32 hda1 and hda5 to fstab for full access?
[02:50] <cafuego> !vfat
[02:50] <ubotu> from memory, vfat is http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[02:50] <cafuego> Determinist: Fetch that file, it's a script that will do it _for_ you.
[02:50] <Octane> bimberi: well its just got images and my local httpd has directory listing disabled
[02:51] <Determinist> thanks
[02:51] <amonkey> how can i get xvnc4viewer to use 4.0 instead of 3.8 RFB protocol?
[02:51] <sdlkfz> what's the coolest thing i can do with a new ubuntu desktop?
[02:51] <wardhana> cafuego ????
[02:52] <equex> who here had a problem with radeon9200 and opengl direct mode
[02:52] <equex> ?
[02:52] <cafuego> wardhana: If you'r running Ubuntu 5.04, it's there.
[02:52] <equex> i think i fixed it here
[02:52] <Davey> Anyone managed to run Battlefield 2 on linux yet?
[02:53] <bimberi> Octane: k - sorry I don't have an htdig install at hand to compare. Usually just works (tm)
[02:53] <chaps0063> any thoughts cafuego?
[02:53] <ubuntu> guys, can I use other browser than mozilla, or I shoudn`t bother..
[02:53] <Davey> ubuntu, if by Mozilla, you mean Firefox, I wouldn't bother
[02:53] <windex> ubuntu, firefox proably has the best support for most technologies of any of the available browsers.
[02:53] <Madpilot> ubuntu: you can install Opera if you want
[02:54] <Madpilot> !opera
[02:54] <ubuntu> is it free (opera)
[02:54] <Davey> but yes, you can install Galeon (never worked for me) or Ephiphany which are both based on the same rendering engine (Gecko), or you can try Opera (theres a How-To in the forums) or Konqueror
[02:54] <windex> there is a free version, that places an advertisement in the top corner, ubuntu
[02:54] <Davey> ubuntu, its got an advert in it
[02:54] <Madpilot> ubotu: free as in beer - it's got little two-line ads
[02:54] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, Madpilot
[02:54] <Xenguy> ubuntu: Opera is not free software; Firefox is.
[02:54] <Davey> its really not a big deal
[02:55] <ubuntu> so I should stay with the fox
[02:55] <bimberi> Octane: iirc it requires some initial configuration
[02:55] <Davey> ubuntu, would you be so good as to change your nick (/nick YourNewNickHere) :)
[02:55] <Xenguy> ubuntu: FF is an excellent browser, and only getting better
[02:55] <Davey> and if you don't like something about it, an extension probably exists to correct it :)
[02:55] <ka234> I didn't think linux could get adware/spyware?
[02:56] <bimberi> Octane: check "man htdig" or /usr/share/doc/htdig/README
[02:56] <Davey> ka234, uhm, sure it can, if you install it ;)
[02:56] <Madpilot> ka234: Opera isn't adware in that sense. There's just a little two-line google-ad along the top
[02:56] <windex> ka234, adware, in operas sense, is simply a program that is supported by advertising
[02:56] <Razor-X> Davey: Linux has spyware?
[02:56] <Davey> ka234, but nobody creates anything that secretes itself on your hardware for Linux :)
[02:56] <avanspronsen> ubuntu you may wanna check out the extensions though go to Tool | Extensions | Get more extensions from the menu
[02:56] <Davey> harddrive, bleh
[02:56] <Xenguy> ka234: if the source is open, then spyware routines could be spotted
[02:56] <Davey> ka234, doesn't mean its not possible, just not worth it to the people paying :)
[02:57] <opiate> anyone know how to change the font for applications such as Firefox in KDE?
[02:58] <ka234> but their could be bad spyware for linux one day like windows?
[02:58] <Razor-X> ka234: I doubt that
[02:58] <sklp> if anyone want a good browser, i can recommend Epiphany :)
[02:58] <windex> ka234, there can be a lot of bad things for linux. the thing is, if you follow the ubuntu 'rootless' philosophy, the chances of browser bugs leading to system compromise is slim.
[02:58] <nJess> are there any known issues with ndiswrapper on 64bit ubuntu?
[02:58] <Madpilot> ka234: if you can be convinced to install it, the probably
[02:58] <Madpilot> s/the/then
[02:58] <prodigy> anyone know an easy way to access my Windows hard drives from Ubuntu?
[02:58] <LokeDK> opiate, try the kde control center
[02:59] <bimberi> !ntfs
[02:59] <ubuntu> great, I was able to that too (get the expensions screen for FF), all this in my old junk PC..running live CD..
[02:59] <ubotu> [ntfs] the filesystem used under Windows XP. The Ubuntu installer can safely resize an NTFS partition to create a new partition for you to install Ubuntu. http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[02:59] <lJlolel> !ntfs
[02:59] <Xenguy> ka234: think about it - most windows software/spyware is a black box; you can't see inside. Free software offers the source code, so that sufficiently skilled people can *see* what the code is doing. So spyware is very unlikely to flourish in an 'open source' environment like linux
[02:59] <windex> ka234, the biggest thing linux has going for it is that it's a smaller userbase than windows. if that starts to change, you will see more effort put forth into taking control over linux-based machines. but it's _much harder_ to do, and would depend on bugs that change between each distribution. so it's unlikely, even if.
[02:59] <bimberi> prodigy: The script at the end of ubotu's post (above) will mount windows partitions automatically for you
[03:00] <chorton> Anyone here know about samba?
[03:00] <avanspronsen> prodigy: go to places | Connect to Server
[03:00] <Zodiac> hey guys I am having this weird problem
[03:00] <JaZy84> a little bit chorton
[03:00] <Zodiac> I right click on an mp3 file
[03:01] <Zodiac> and go to properties to change the name, and the whole thing locks up
[03:01] <ubuntu> samba yeah sure, I`m from brazil..just joking..couldn`t avoid..
[03:01] <Zodiac> then I cant get to my home folder
[03:01] <chorton> I have samba installed via apt-get, and a shared folder set up.
[03:01] <JaZy84> heh
[03:01] <avanspronsen> prodigy: did you mean local hard drive?
[03:01] <Zodiac> what is the dilly??
[03:01] <chorton> But I can't get to it from my other comps.
[03:01] <JaZy84> anhyone know anything about how to emulate the right click.. i have an ibook and it's only got 1 button.. can i use the 'apple' button?
[03:01] <JaZy84> have you added the user
[03:01] <prodigy> I mean to access my windows hard drives from Ubuntu
[03:01] <prodigy> I don't understand the scripts
[03:02] <nalioth> JaZy84: use the F12 key
[03:02] <robotgeek> JaZy84: did u try f 12
[03:02] <cafuego> JaZy84: There are special entries in /proc to define keys for that; I think F12 is the default.
[03:02] <chorton> Yes.
[03:02] <JaZy84> i saw nice f12 works
[03:03] <robotgeek> cool
[03:03] <dmneoblade> Anyone know a command-line tool to display information about an avi? Like, resolution, compression codec, and play length.
[03:03] <prodigy> anyone know an easy way to access my Windows hard drives from Ubuntu? something understandable?
[03:03] <windex> JaZy84, someone made a hack once to enable a second button on the powerbook. don't recall the url offhand, but it required lots of patience and soldering. :)
[03:03] <robotgeek> cafuego: i think /etc/systl.conf is the file
[03:03] <dmneoblade> Prodigy: are they on the same computer? Or on a network?
[03:03] <prodigy> same computer
[03:03] <robotgeek> s/systl/sysctl
[03:03] <holycow> prodigy, nothing quite yet with a gui, you will need to edit /etc/fstab file for now
[03:03] <Zodiac> ahhh
[03:03] <JaZy84> chorton look at httP://ubuntuguide.org under servers
[03:03] <Zodiac> stupid bug
[03:04] <Zodiac> wtf
[03:04] <JaZy84> gives you a walk though
[03:04] <JaZy84> on how to setup and get working
[03:04] <avanspronsen> prodigy: it is gonna look something like this: mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/win
[03:04] <chorton> Kay, lemme see.
[03:04] <MagicFab> hello all
[03:04] <MagicFab> I need some help with sound
[03:04] <Geist|Patrick> ?
[03:04] <kev0r> lol Zodiac u still busy?
[03:05] <bimberi> prodigy: yes, sorry, not very clear. You need to download and execute the script on your PC
[03:05] <avanspronsen> prodigy: where win is a dir you create under the /mnt directory
[03:05] <MagicFab> I've gone through all I could find in the wiki (using hoary) and everything looks fine - but silent
[03:05] <JaZy84> MagicFab is it only mp3s?
[03:05] <ma3x> hello guys! I would appreciate it very much if you can help me with this
[03:05] <dmneoblade> prodigy: Try this guide http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html
[03:05] <MagicFab> no, no CDs, no sound in the sample games, no mp3
[03:05] <MagicFab> no error msgs though
[03:05] <prodigy> how do I download the script?
[03:05] <crimsun> JaZy84: ever fix your mp3 problem?
[03:06] <ma3x> How to unblock ports? Ubuntu blocks them by default, although they are forward on the router
[03:06] <JaZy84> nope
[03:06] <JaZy84> installed those 2 things but still nothing
[03:06] <Nomad_1> Hey All.
[03:06] <crimsun> JaZy84: do other media types play?
[03:06] <windex> prodigy, do note that if your windows partitions are NTFS you should mount them read-only ('ro'), and not 'rw', read-write. the NTFS driver for Linux is not very good at writing data to NTFS volumes.
[03:06] <JaZy84> no mp3 sound..
[03:06] <kev0r> is there a repository for neroLINUX?
[03:06] <JaZy84> none play the mp3
[03:06] <ma3x> guys?
[03:06] <snivitz0> Does anyone know how to make Nautilus windows transparent?
[03:06] <crimsun> JaZy84: like ogg vorbis, flac, wav
[03:06] <JaZy84> haven't tried ogg, or wav.. etc
[03:06] <anders__> hello
[03:06] <kev0r> hi
[03:07] <anders__> can some tell my how i in terminalen can reed about firewall?
[03:07] <Xenguy> ma3x: what exactly do you want to do?
[03:07] <lJlolel> youve used wav (normal cds)
[03:07] <bimberi> prodigy: if you're viewing it in a browser then save it from there
[03:07] <rob_p> ma3x: what are you trying to do?
[03:07] <dmneoblade> JaZy84: Do you have one or two soundcards in your system? (this includes integrated)
[03:07] <astronut> ok, my network works without wep but not with it...what am i doing wrong?
[03:07] <ma3x> rob: forward the port for my mail
[03:07] <Nomad_1> What is the command for the terminal that is started from the System menu in the applications menu? (As in, xterm starts up the xterm program
[03:07] <dmneoblade> kev0r: You have to go to nero.com and input your serial key.
[03:07] <JaZy84> just the intergrated.. i know it works.. cuz i had a working yesterday (upgraded the kernel) had to reformt and reinstall
[03:07] <bimberi> prodigy: then open a terminal, change to the directory you saved it in and type "sudo bash winmac_fstab"
[03:07] <s0cks> Hi
[03:08] <edgar> can anyone tell me what this mean? http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y72/EpyonMelee/Screenshot-1.png
[03:08] <s0cks> I'm installing Ubuntu on my lappy, I might need some help
[03:08] <edgar> i tried to install Java, cause i want to get Azerus running
[03:08] <rob_p> ma3x: So you have a mailserver running on your local pc and you want traffic from the 'Net to be able to reach it?
[03:08] <edgar> and i got that error message
[03:08] <ma3x> rob_p: that's exactly Sir!
[03:08] <edgar> anyone have any idea what i should do?
[03:08] <dmneoblade> JaZy84: Ah. You probably need to reconfigure your sound server of choice. Do you know how to do that?
[03:08] <nalioth> s0cks: are you in here causing trouble?
[03:08] <anders__> some one there
[03:08] <avanspronsen> astronut: if you do a cat /etc/network/interfaces do you see your wireless config?
[03:08] <s0cks> How much memory do you need to run ubuntu?
[03:09] <rob_p> ma3x: Are you running any sort of a firewall on your PC?
[03:09] <astronut> avanspronsen: i got the wifi working fine
[03:09] <astronut> without wep
[03:09] <nalioth> s0cks: your toshiba should be adequate
[03:09] <JaZy84> well all other sounds in the system work dmneoblade.. but no i dont' know.. other then the front end that's provided in gnome
[03:09] <dmneoblade> s0cks: 128 mb or more if you want a GUI.
[03:09] <ma3x> rob_p: no Sir, only router with integrated firewall, but the ports are already forwarded
[03:09] <prodigy> okay, I did that bimberi, now they should be accessable?
[03:09] <crimsun> JaZy84: play a wav file
[03:09] <astronut> avanspronsen: i'm configing it by hand, once i get it set up right, will put into interfaces
[03:09] <edgar> can anyone help with my woes?
[03:09] <rob_p> ma3x: Then you're already set!
[03:09] <Geist|Patrick> how can i store the kmix settings?
[03:09] <JaZy84> let me look for one :-/
[03:09] <JaZy84> brb
[03:09] <bimberi> prodigy: type "df" and see if they're listed
[03:09] <crimsun> JaZy84: /usr/share/sounds/
[03:10] <avanspronsen> astronut: maybe that is the problem?
[03:10] <ma3x> rob_p: it still blocks the port
[03:10] <dmneoblade> JaZy84: Try changing the sound daemon used by your MP3 program to ARTS or ALSA.
[03:10] <hajiki> astronut, ive found that i need to use 'iwconfig essid open xxxxxxxxxxx' for the wireless to work for me at work
[03:10] <rob_p> ma3x: Once you launch the daemon, it will open the port (port 25 by default) and will listen for connections...
[03:10] <anders__> hey
[03:10] <bimberi> bimberi: it usually puts them under the /media directory
[03:10] <hajiki> astronut, change essid with key =p
[03:10] <astronut> hajiki: i got it working once i disabled wep
[03:10] <ma3x> rob_p: postfix is installed and started, and the port is still closed
[03:10] <astronut> hajiki: oh, seriously?
[03:10] <bimberi> s/puts/mounts/
[03:10] <astronut> iwconfig wlan0 essid <essid> <key>
[03:10] <astronut> ?
[03:10] <Xenguy> !java
[03:10] <ubotu> from memory, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[03:10] <Gundam> so can anyone please help/
[03:10] <cafuego> ma3x: Are you checking from a remote system?
[03:11] <hajiki> astronut, yeah i had the same problem at work. but once i gave key the open parameter it worked (its just a thought, not saying it will work for sure)
[03:11] <Gundam> doh....
[03:11] <avanspronsen> astronut: I have never had to do that, just the networking applet or via interfaces
[03:11] <ma3x> rob_p: also another applications are supposed to open other ports, but unsuccessful
[03:11] <ma3x> cafuego: I am using a scan service
[03:11] <cafuego> ma3x: sudo netstat -nap | grep :25
[03:12] <hajiki> astronut, iwconfig essid "your essid here" && iwconfig key open 1234567890
[03:12] <cafuego> ma3x: It's not uncommon for ISPs to block at least port 25.
[03:12] <astronut> hmm, got ya
[03:12] <rob_p> ma3x: Are you sure it's closed? If the daemon is running, it will be bound to a port (port 25 by default). If the port is closed, either the daemon is dead, is listening on another port, or you have something interfering (such as a firewall).
[03:12] <dmneoblade> ~Question~ Are there any command-line programs for linux that will give me information about an AVI?
[03:12] <astronut> nope... i think i had tried that before
[03:12] <hajiki> dmneoblade, does file do what you want? 'file filename'
[03:12] <ma3x> rob_p: I will paste 3 lines Sir, is that ok?
[03:12] <hajiki> astronut, :(
[03:12] <cafuego> ma3x: Not on the channel, no.
[03:13] <rob_p> ma3x: better do it in #flood
[03:13] <cafuego> !paste
[03:13] <ubotu> [paste] please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[03:13] <cafuego> ma3x: On #flood or on those websites
[03:13] <JaZy84> crimsun wavs play
[03:13] <crimsun> JaZy84: does it play with mpg123?
[03:13] <dmneoblade> hajiki: Thanks... I always seem to forget about that handy program. ^_^'
[03:13] <hajiki> np
[03:13] <JaZy84> used totem
[03:13] <ma3x> rob_p: I pasted in #flood
[03:14] <JaZy84> need to install mpg123
[03:14] <rob_p> ma3x: Ok, so postfix is bound to port 25... this is good!
[03:14] <ma3x> rob_p: yes, but still unreachable to the outside world
[03:14] <rob_p> ma3x: However, it looks like your external interface isn't...
[03:14] <chorton> Okay, I went through everything that said.
[03:14] <chorton> I'm guessing the access problem is on the windows box.
[03:15] <rob_p> ma3x: That would be a config file issue...
[03:15] <cafuego> ma3x: Are you running some sort of DSL modem or router?
[03:15] <opiate> sdfasd
[03:15] <ma3x> cafuego: I am running a modem/router with integrated firewall
[03:16] <rob_p> ma3x: You probably need to edit your main.cf file...
[03:16] <ma3x> however the necessary ports have been forwarded
[03:16] <cafuego> ma3x: Is that set up to 1) Allow port 25 and 2) Forward port 25 to the Linux box?
[03:16] <Chris_Tucker> how do i set my samba server to allow guest access?
[03:16] <rob_p> ma3x: look for the directive, "inet_interfaces" in the config file and change it appropriately...
[03:17] <occy> anyone here heard of a usb mouse that is like a mini-joystick?
[03:17] <andrew> Err... I think I farked something over.
[03:17] <JaZy84> is it called the gravitron?
[03:17] <opiate> can someone help me get java working?
[03:18] <JaZy84> xmms freezes my machien.
[03:18] <sally> Hey there. Can someone help me configure wifi on an iBook G3 (dual USB/airport card and express base station)? :)
[03:18] <Mez> crimsun, alsa-base backported fine
[03:18] <JaZy84> i had the 4.10 installed then changed the source to hoary.. should i just install off of a hoary cd
[03:18] <rob_p> ma3x: What does your /etc/postfix/main.cf file have listed for the, "inet_interfaces" tag?
[03:18] <cafuego> sally: normal airport card?
[03:18] <opiate> i keep getting java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Object
[03:18] <opiate> when i run azureus?
[03:19] <crimsun> Mez: good
[03:19] <sally> cafuego: yes, normal airport card. I can "see" the signal, but can't connect.
[03:19] <cafuego> sally: Ok, is 'wireless-tools' installed?
[03:19] <ma3x> rob_p: Sir net_interfaces = loopback-only
[03:19] <rob_p> ma3x: Ahhh, that's it!
[03:19] <Mez> crimsun: and it shouldnt be too hard to fix stuff - gotta do alsa-lib thouh
[03:19] <sally> cafuego: I think so. Checking...
[03:19] <pestilence> does anybody know the best way to turn a stack of png's (or any other image format) into an mpeg?
[03:20] <aru> cafuego: (refering to offtopic) AGREED!
[03:20] <pestilence> (or any other widely used video format)
[03:20] <cafuego> popey: I think 'trasncode' can do that.
[03:20] <dmneoblade> pestilence: I just found a guide to that... lemme browse for it real quick.
[03:20] <avanspronsen> opiate: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ is a good start
[03:20] <sally> cafuego: yes, wireless-tools installed.
[03:20] <pestilence> dmneoblade: great, thanks
[03:20] <aru> !guide
[03:20] <ubotu> aru: I give up, what is it?
[03:20] <aru> err
[03:20] <JaZy84> dmneoblade how can i set something to use alsa instead of art or whatever you where talking about
[03:20] <aru> !ubuntuguide
[03:20] <ubotu> I guess ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[03:20] <rob_p> ma3x: Change it to, "inet_interfaces = 127.0.0.1 192.168.0.2" - I think that is the correct syntax... let me check...
[03:20] <pestilence> cafuego: you talkin to me?
[03:21] <cafuego> sally: Okay. Run 'sudo iwconfig eth1 essid "NName of the wireless network"'
[03:21] <aru> avanspronsen: refer to what ubotu just said
[03:21] <cafuego> pestilence: yep
[03:21] <cafuego> pestilence: 'transcode'
[03:21] <pestilence> cafuego: k, i'll check it out.
[03:21] <dmneoblade> JaZy84: What media player are you using?
[03:21] <mebaran151> could anayone help me setup LVM
[03:21] <ma3x> rob_p: ok Sir. Ssh is not opening the port as well
[03:21] <mebaran151> or EVMS
[03:21] <cafuego> rob_p: inet_interfaces = $myhostname, localhost
[03:21] <cafuego> rob_p: ... normally.
[03:22] <JaZy84> i have vlc, mpg123, and totem installed all of which don't play mp3.. they will however play wav.. haven't checked anything else.
[03:22] <rob_p> ma3x: Better yet, if you want it to listen on all active interfaces on your PC, then leave it blank. Oh, and you'll have to reload the postfix daemon to have it pick up the changes.
[03:22] <cafuego> sally: if there is a wep key set, 'sudo iwconfig eth1 key s:WepKey'
[03:22] <rob_p> cafuego: Thanks!
[03:23] <cafuego> sally: In both cases eth1 might be eth0, depending on which got detected first
[03:23] <JaZy84> noatun also
[03:23] <pestilence> !backports
[03:23] <ubotu> I heard backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[03:23] <rob_p> ma3x: Now what were you saying about ssh?
[03:23] <JaZy84> that will make the speakers start crackling but nothing comoing out
[03:23] <pestilence> !thanks
[03:23] <ubotu> pestilence: de rien
[03:23] <equex> anyone been able to run GoogeEarth under Wine ?
[03:23] <dmneoblade> pestilence: https://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=3456&group_id=5776#ss4.1
[03:23] <HrdwrBoB> rob_p: isn't that handled in master.cf?
[03:24] <ma3x> rob_p: Sir, port 25 is not yet open
[03:24] <lJlolel> why does Ubuntu need backports?
[03:24] <pestilence> dmneoblade: thanks, i'll take a look
[03:24] <cafuego> lJlolel: it doesn't. Some USERS need it.
[03:24] <rob_p> HrdwrBoB: I've only ever configured it in main.cf...
[03:24] <dmneoblade> JaZy84: AH. You probably broke the mp3 library when you upgraded your kernel.
[03:24] <lJlolel> cafuego: forwhat programs?
[03:24] <pestilence> lJlolel: good question :) but there are some packages that aren't included, like w32codecs and transcode that you can only get through backports
[03:24] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: You can add params in master.cf to bind to a _specific_ ip.
[03:24] <rob_p> ma3x: Did you edit the config file and then reload postfix?
[03:24] <ma3x> I couldn't leave it blank, I have put 'all' for inet_interfaces
[03:25] <ma3x> yes Sir rob_p
[03:25] <sally> cafuego: done. I've been through these steps already and can "see" the network, but no dice for connection. it's eth1. reg. ethernet is eth0.
[03:25] <JaZy84> well i upgraded the kernel, and then it didn't wan tot boot so i installed 4.10.. then updated the source.list to get to 5.04
[03:25] <JaZy84> can this be rebult?
[03:25] <dmneoblade> pestilence: That guide requires you install "mjpegtools" which is right in Synaptic.
[03:25] <kev0r> Seveas: ur asleep yet? You know bots never sleep :)
[03:25] <cafuego> sally: Can you run 'sudo dchlient eth1' ?
[03:25] <cafuego> sally: Can you run 'sudo dhclient eth1' ?
[03:25] <pestilence> dmneoblade: ok. good.
[03:25] <cafuego> sally: that ought to give you an IP
[03:26] <dmneoblade> JaZy84: it can... but I'm not sure how, unfortunately. I'm still fairly new to Linux.
[03:26] <sally> cafuego: running...
[03:26] <crimsun> JaZy84: what did you do?
[03:26] <Chris_Tucker> how do i set my samba server to allow guest access?
[03:26] <pestilence> i guess transcode isn't in backports, either :-/
[03:26] <ma3x> I can't seem to connect to the web interface of my modem/router
[03:26] <ma3x> One moment please, I will have to restart it
[03:26] <cafuego> sally: If it doesn't give you an address, the wep key is either incorrect or the AP isn't set up to be WEP compatible.
[03:26] <mebaran151> anyone here know about lvm
[03:26] <rob_p> ma3x: And you're sure it isn't listening on your external interface on port 25? If not, maybe just try specifying the external interface alone and see if it works.
[03:27] <HrdwrBoB> mebaran151: what do you need to know
[03:27] <cafuego> pestilence: it's probably in extras.
[03:27] <pestilence> dmneoblade: excellent, that guide has exactly what i wanted. thanks
[03:27] <JaZy84> crimsun, i attempted to upgrade my kernel yesterday on my ibook.. so i could get my activity light going.. i didn't setup right, so the kernel wouldn't boot, i then installed 4.10 (only cd i had) and then used the hoary sources.. for apt-get and ran dist-upgarde.. here i sit..
[03:27] <crimsun> JaZy84: uname -r
[03:27] <JaZy84> everything plays okay.. except mp3.. when i run xmms comptuer crashes.
[03:27] <cafuego> JaZy84: Why didn't you just boot with the older kernel?
[03:27] <ma3x> rob_p: One moment please, I will be right back
[03:27] <pestilence> cafuego: wow. doesn't matter how many additional repositories people make, somebody will always make another :)
[03:27] <dmneoblade> pestilence: No prob. I actually stumbled on it while looking for something else today.
[03:27] <pestilence> !mp3
[03:27] <ubotu> I guess mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[03:27] <JaZy84> i didn't save : /
[03:28] <sally> cafuego: Results: dhcpdiscover = all 255.255.255.255. Msg: no working leases in persistent database - sleeping.
[03:28] <JaZy84> crimsun 2.6.10.5-powerpc
[03:28] <sally> cafuego: AP is okay for wep. OSX partition works with wep key.
[03:28] <cafuego> sally: Can you check the Airport Express is set up to allow WEP (as opposed to Airport Password) access?
[03:28] <mebaran151> HrdwrBoB: I am not sure how it is supposed to be setup
[03:28] <mebaran151> I am doing a clean install
[03:28] <mebaran151> and would like to make my partition scheme a lot more fuild
[03:28] <mebaran151> fluid
[03:28] <mebaran151> so LVM seemed perfect
[03:29] <mebaran151> but I cant find any docs
[03:29] <HrdwrBoB> the docs are .. wanting
[03:29] <mebaran151> am I supposed to use my whole drive as one LVM volume
[03:29] <HrdwrBoB> use the installer
[03:29] <crimsun> JaZy84: you probably need at least a new version of ALSA, using 1.0.9b from upstream.
[03:29] <mebaran151> and put in parititions or some such
[03:29] <mebaran151> the partition snafus
[03:29] <cafuego> mebaran151: The partitioner will help you, just make a volume group, thern add partitions to it.
[03:29] <mebaran151> ah
[03:29] <HrdwrBoB> the best thing to know is the layers
[03:29] <mebaran151> but I make the whole drive one LVM group at first
[03:29] <sally> cafuego: yes, AP is set up to allow wep. wep key authenticates via OSX.
[03:29] <mebaran151> right?
[03:29] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[03:29] <cafuego> sally: ANything in 'dmesg' ?
[03:30] <mebaran151> and then I add what would normally be my parititions to that one big VG
[03:30] <mebaran151> when does EVMS come in?
[03:30] <HrdwrBoB> mebaran151: you need to make your drive an LVM physcial volume
[03:30] <mebaran151> ok
[03:30] <Chris_Tucker> how do i set my samba server to allow guest access?
[03:30] <HrdwrBoB> add that volume to a VG
[03:30] <Mez> crimsun: you wouldnt believe how much of a PITA this is
[03:30] <mebaran151> oh
[03:30] <HrdwrBoB> then make lv's on that
[03:30] <mebaran151> a VG
[03:30] <sally> cafuego: clarify "dmesg"? sally=newbie. :)
[03:30] <mebaran151> do I need a VG if I only have one drive
[03:30] <JaZy84> hrm well i need to run to pick up the girlfriend i guess i'll look into problems later : /
[03:30] <mebaran151> (this is my new Shuttle) beautiful work
[03:30] <JaZy84> thanks guys
[03:30] <cafuego> sally: Type 'dmesg' at a shell... it will give you the kernel log buffer
[03:31] <crimsun> Mez: actually I _know_ how much of a PITA it is. I tried it months ago - and I warned you.
[03:31] <occy> crimsun, hey bud... Have you ever heard of an "IBM think pad like" USB input device?
[03:31] <rob_p> ma3x: Also try separating the values with a comma as cafuego suggested. I think that is probably the correct way to specify multiple interfaces, etc.
[03:31] <Mez> crimsun, It's not that bad actually I think I've got everything sorted
[03:31] <occy> crimsun, those little nipple thingies...
[03:31] <occy> heh
[03:31] <crimsun> occy: hey. I have no idea what you're referring to, unfortunately.
[03:31] <occy> ahhh ok np
[03:32] <chorton> The red dot?
[03:32] <Razor-X> occy: I have
[03:32] <Razor-X> USB touch pads
[03:32] <Mez> crimsun: there we go, backported alsa-libs alsa-base and alsa-utils
[03:32] <JaZy84> the nob
[03:32] <JaZy84> for the ibm
[03:32] <JaZy84> the eraser pointer
[03:32] <Mez> crimsun: nothing else needed
[03:32] <cafuego> you mean "clit" yes?
[03:32] <crimsun> the scrollpoint?
[03:32] <sally> cafuego: Odd. AP in and out of range/connected/disconnected. Also "unknown information frame" and "no IPv6 routers present"
[03:33] <crimsun> Mez: have fun
[03:33] <psychonate> DId he just say... ?
[03:33] <mebaran151> psychonate: I think he did.....
[03:33] <cafuego> sally: Hmm. You within range of the ap I presume? (Just ignore the ipv6 thing)
[03:33] <psychonate> rofl
[03:33] <codecaine> im building debian boxes on one lan then deploying them to another lan. when deployed to new lan (ip scheme) changes and then authentication is SLOW. for instance, ssh has a delay before password comes up, smtp banner is also delayed etc... any reason for this? if i put the debian box back on original ip scheme its normal again. thx
[03:33] <Mez> crimsun: how do you mean
[03:33] <codecaine> hey all
[03:33] <sally> cafuego: yup, definitely within range.
[03:34] <crimsun> Mez: nothing more, nothing less
[03:34] <codecaine> im building debian boxes on one lan then deploying them to another lan. when deployed to new lan (ip scheme) changes and then authentication is SLOW. for instance, ssh has a delay before password comes up, smtp banner is also delayed etc... any reason for this? if i put the debian box back on original ip scheme its normal again. thx
[03:34] <cafuego> sally: 'sudo iwpriv scanning' - what's that do?
[03:34] <pestilence> codecaine: reverse dns not working properly?
[03:35] <codecaine> hmmm
[03:35] <sally> cafuego: 'scanning no private ioctls'
[03:35] <mebaran151> codecaine: the problem is
[03:35] <codecaine> pestilence, you're right, i have the WRONG primary DNS
[03:35] <mebaran151> I think it has to do dns when it works
[03:35] <FatManWalking> I want to use gtkpod. I need to load libid3tag. I downloaded libid3tag0_0.15.1b-7_i386.deb, but now I don't know how to install it. Help.
[03:35] <codecaine> mebaran151, thank you also
[03:35] <Mez> alsa-utils conflicts with udev?
[03:35] <opiate> can anyone help me with azureus?
[03:35] <Mez> brb
[03:35] <Mez> reboot
[03:35] <cafuego> sally: No chance you typo3d the key?
[03:35] <Razor-X> FatManWalking: do you use a package manager?
[03:36] <codecaine> i remember now, when i setup the boxes on my lan i don't change the primary dns AGH!
[03:36] <pestilence> codecaine: glad i could help
[03:36] <codecaine> the delay is becuase it tries primary then finally gets by with secondary
[03:36] <codecaine> pestilence, agh just needed a quick spark, thank you!
[03:36] <pestilence> np
[03:36] <sally> cafuego: do you mean mistyped the key? No, I've tried several times.
[03:37] <FatManWalking> I have synaptic.
[03:37] <cafuego> sally: How many characters is the key?
[03:37] <occy> trackpoint is the name of it.
[03:37] <occy> heh
[03:37] <Razor-X> FatManWalking: use that
[03:37] <sally> cafuego: 10 chars.
[03:37] <Razor-X> or, simple
[03:37] <Razor-X> ``sudo aptitude install gtkpod''
[03:37] <cafuego> occy: Look mate, just call it what it is, a clit :-)
[03:37] <occy> I think it'd be cool as heck to have a USB trackpoint that you could plug in on the side of your laptop.
[03:37] <asda> hi how to limit user proses what command for do tha
[03:37] <occy> cafuego, hahahaha
[03:37] <f_newton> yes synaptic is one of the great things about debian based distros
[03:37] <occy> cafuego, that's nipple actually
[03:37] <cafuego> sally: 10 hex or 10 alphanumeric?
[03:37] <bimberi> FatManWalking: gtkpod is available in the ubuntu repositories - or are you installing a later version?
[03:37] <cafuego> occy: Not in melbourne :-)
[03:38] <sally> cafuego: 10 hex
[03:38] <cafuego> sally: Did you add it as s:TenhexDigits in iwconfig?
[03:38] <sally> cafuego: yes
[03:39] <FatManWalking> I really don't know how to use synaptic. I searched for gtkpod in synaptic, and clicked it for install. That is when it gave me the dependency error. I down loaded the package, and I don't know how to get it into synaptic.
[03:39] <cafuego> sally: Okay, s: means it's ascii. Do 'sudo iwconfig eth1 key TenHexDigits'
[03:39] <cafuego> sally: And then the dhclient thing again
[03:39] <f_newton> synaptic gave you a dependency error?
[03:39] <_frank> FatManWalking: what error did you get?
[03:39] <raDeon> hi
[03:39] <f_newton> and I am going to refill my rasberry tea
[03:39] <asda> !ping me
[03:40] <ubotu> asda: I don't know, could you explain it?
[03:40] <FatManWalking> gtkpod-aac:
[03:40] <FatManWalking> Depends: libid3tag0 (>=0.15.0b) but it is not installable
[03:40] <sally> cafuego: done.
[03:41] <sally> cafuego: I tried w/o 's:' before as well. Seems to detect the signal, even gives signal strength, but can't connect.
[03:41] <Razor-X> does VLC play H.264 files?
[03:42] <cafuego> sally: Not that it _should_ make a difference, but can you unload the airport driver,. then reload it and try again?
[03:42] <bimberi> FatManWalking: i can't see gtkpod-aac in my synaptic. Do you have extra repositories?
[03:43] <raDeon> how do i use sudo
[03:43] <Mez> crimsun: shouldnt have to touch hotplug
[03:43] <Mez> but udev :D
[03:43] <nalioth> !sudo
[03:43] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:43] <raDeon> thanks
[03:43] <crimsun> Mez: ah, it has changed
[03:43] <sally> cafuego: erm, "unload/reload airport driver"? can you walk me thru?
[03:43] <cafuego> sally: 'sudo rmmod airport; sudo modprobe airport'
[03:43] <Mez> crimsun - what has?
[03:44] <opiate> anyone know how to change the ports on gnome bit torrent?
[03:44] <crimsun> Mez: in the past, discover and hotplug had to be tweaked, too.
[03:44] <FatManWalking> I added this one (deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted). I think I got it from a LinuxQuestions.org forum.
[03:45] <cafuego> ahaa!
[03:46] <sally> cafuego: done w/ same result: dhcpdiscover = all 255.255.255.255. Msg: no working leases in persistent database - sleeping.
[03:46] <FatManWalking> I took SuSE for a test run, and when I downloaded an RPM and clicked on it YaST would open and install the program. Does it work like that with Debian/Ubuntu?
[03:47] <chorton> It can.
[03:47] <chorton> Or you can use the built in installer program to find the files in need.
[03:47] <asda> hi how to limit user proses what command for do tha
[03:48] <chorton> apt-get install <nameofprog> installs programs without having to go find them.
[03:48] <mebaran151_> can I convert my existing partitioned setup to LVM easily?
[03:48] <mebaran151_> or must it begin that way
[03:49] <mebaran151_> I cant find any decent docs on LVM2
[03:49] <cafuego> ubotu: info firefox backports
[03:49] <Chris_Tucker> how do i set my samba server to allow guest access?
[03:50] <asda> ?
[03:50] <asda> anyone there
[03:50] <asda> !ping me
[03:50] <ubotu> I don't know, asda
[03:51] <mebaran151_> arg
[03:51] <cafuego> typical
[03:51] <cafuego> sally: Then I don't know :-(
[03:52] <sally> cafuego: no worries, I've tried a few things and it's all been a little odd... :) thanks for your help. I'm going to reset the base station etc and go though these steps again.
[03:53] <cafuego> if al else fails, a hammer...
[03:53] <MagicFab> mebaran: if you have at least twice the space yes
[03:53] <cafuego> sally: the base station *IS* running dhcp right?
[03:53] <MagicFab> create your LVM in free space
[03:53] <MagicFab> transfer old stuff into LVM
[03:53] <MagicFab> then grow your LVM to occupy the old space
[03:54] <raDeon> how do i play mp3 files
[03:54] <mebaran151_> MagicFab: not what I was hoping for
[03:55] <LokeDK> Why is fluxbox so slow? I've even compiled it my self instead of the package
[03:55] <mebaran151_> it cant agressively cache its own data?
[03:55] <benplaut> !w32codecs
[03:55] <ubotu> w32codecs is probably a set of codecs needed to play many common audio and video formats, such as WMV. You can install w32codecs from the hoary-extras repositories (see: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org).
[03:55] <mebaran151_> !
[03:55] <benplaut> what the?!
[03:55] <benplaut> wha...?!
[03:56] <benplaut> you're a mod, eh?
[03:56] <mebaran151_> the LVM in the installer is confusing
[03:56] <mebaran151_> it cryptically fails to give me a subpartition
[03:56] <cafuego> benplaut: No, just run the bot. I'm fiddling with the repository search code
[03:56] <benplaut> aahhh
[03:56] <mebaran151_> or let me add any VG's
[03:56] <MagicFab> mebaran: what do you not understand
[03:56] <cafuego> specifically, iw ant it to search extras :-)
[03:57] <benplaut> good idea :)
[03:57] <MagicFab> heh
[03:57] <cafuego> !info firefox security
[03:57] <mebaran151_> !XFS
[03:57] <ubotu> mebaran151_: Bugger all, i dunno
[03:57] <benplaut> hmm
[03:57] <benplaut> can you make it accept wildcards? (*)
[03:57] <cafuego> !info mozilla-firefox security
[03:57] <MagicFab> meb:
[03:57] <ubotu> mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.6-0ubuntu0.1 (hoary-security), Packaged size: 8594 kB, Installed size: 24124 kB
[03:57] <MagicFab> usually you have to setup free space to be LVM partitions
[03:57] <cafuego> benplaut: /msg ubotu find <substring>
[03:58] <MagicFab> then the LVM tool can setup groups and volumes
[03:58] <benplaut> ahh
[03:58] <cafuego> benplaut: Then request info on what it finds, if you need it.
[03:58] <mebaran151_> If I symlink out of a chroot environment
[03:58] <mebaran151_> what happens
[03:58] <MagicFab> have you ever created / grown an LVM before ? I had to experiement a little before understanding
[03:58] <asda> hi help me plsssss
[03:59] <mebaran151_> MagicFab: I am running the wizard in the installer
[03:59] <Mez> crimsun, I got it to all build and install
[03:59] <cafuego> asda: We can't unless you aska question.
[03:59] <mebaran151_> I made one VG
[03:59] <Mez> crimsun, now for the acid test: does it work
[03:59] <mebaran151_> with my harddisk inside it
[03:59] <asda> hi how to limit user proses what command for do tha
[03:59] <benplaut> proses?
[03:59] <asda> cafuego do you no tha
[03:59] <MagicFab> mebaran151_: AFAIK there is no wizard for LVM in the install (hoary)
[03:59] <mebaran151_> that hardisk contained 1 paritition of 160 gigs that formed that one thing
[03:59] <asda> yes prosess
[03:59] <asda> how to limit user proses
[03:59] <cafuego> asda: ulimit
[03:59] <mebaran151_> MagicFab: using a Breezy Colony 2 CD
[03:59] <concept10> !info cowbell
[03:59] <mebaran151_> I was intrigued by the boot msg LVM
[03:59] <asda> ulimit ?
[04:00] <cafuego> asda: You should be able to configure those via pam_limits.
[04:00] <MagicFab> mebaran151_: ah! sorry, havent been there yet
[04:00] <asda> u mean i mus intall ulimit ?
[04:00] <cafuego> ulimit is installed already
[04:00] <mebaran151_> HrdwrBoB: might know
[04:00] <Zodiac> yo my DVD player is still skipping even with the DMA turned on
[04:00] <Zodiac> Anyone know what it could be?
[04:00] <asda> and i conf that
[04:00] <asda> ?
[04:00] <asda> okay i'll try
[04:00] <MagicFab> how can I find out if the irght sound driver for my card is loaded ?
[04:01] <mebaran151_> lsmod
[04:01] <HrdwrBoB> hsay wghat?
[04:01] <MagicFab> aplay -l reports:
[04:01] <HrdwrBoB> I think LVM is in the install
[04:01] <MagicFab> card 0: SI7012 [SiS SI7012] , device 0: Intel ICH [SiS SI7012]
[04:01] <MagicFab> Subdevices: 1/1
[04:01] <MagicFab> Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[04:01] <asda> cafuego how to configure that ?
[04:01] <raDeon> i dont understand how to install the w32codecs
[04:01] <MagicFab> lsmod reports several drivers, but the question is.. are those the right ones for my card
[04:02] <XIII> is there a japanese support channel for ubuntu?
[04:02] <benplaut> !backports
[04:02] <ubotu> backports is, like, .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[04:02] <Harold> Afternoon everyone
[04:02] <raDeon> it doesn't tell me how to install
[04:02] <benplaut> raDeon: add that string to your sources.list
[04:02] <benplaut> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[04:02] <benplaut> and then apt-get install w32codecs
[04:03] <mebaran151_> HrdwrBoB: it gives me an error that it cant add my LV to my VG
[04:03] <uboyo> how would I make an image of the last 2GB of a disk?
[04:03] <Mez> crimsun, you there?
[04:03] <cafuego> asda: Check google for 'pam_limits' configuration.
[04:03] <XIII> anyone for help here?
[04:03] <HrdwrBoB> mebaran151_: you don't add an lv to a VG
[04:03] <HrdwrBoB> you add a PV to an LG
[04:03] <mebaran151_> well let me go through it
[04:03] <HrdwrBoB> er VG
[04:03] <HrdwrBoB> PV < VG < LV
[04:04] <mebaran151_> I made one primary parition for my one harddisk
[04:04] <HrdwrBoB> physical volumes make up volume groups which ahve logical volumes on them
[04:04] <phixion> lo all, can anyone tell me, is "menu" meant to be installed by default in ubuntu?
[04:04] <mebaran151_> btw, is this feature working in the Breezy installer
[04:04] <asda> anyone help me hoe to use ulimit ???
[04:04] <mebaran151_> what is menu?
[04:05] <phixion> dunno :o
[04:05] <uboyo> +-
[04:05] <phixion> just had to fix a broken package
[04:05] <phixion> and it wanted to install menu
[04:05] <XIII> i need to know how to setup the pc to use hiragana and kanji not only katakana to type in japanese??!!!
[04:06] <franlopez> hello all... i'm having some troubles starting the JACK system (audio stuff)... has anyone been using it?
[04:06] <Chris_Tucker> how do i set my samba server to allow guest access??!??!?!
[04:06] <] BreliC[> franlopez, what is the problem?
[04:06] <mebaran151_> HrdwrBoB: I was trying to add an LV to my VG
[04:07] <XIII> ??????
[04:07] <XIII> y do all ignore that??
[04:07] <franlopez> brelic: when i run the prgram (i'm using the gui version), i get this message
[04:07] <mebaran151_> lwhich is simply one and it tells me that it cryptically cant do it, without any reason at all
[04:07] <mebaran151_> and the error logs say nothing
[04:07] <nickrud> cuz we don't have a clue?
[04:07] <] BreliC[> franlopez, i have not really used JACK with Ubuntu, but have been with AGNULA (which is based on Ubuntu). It's an audio distro with realtime kernel patch already in and all the audio apps installed and configured
[04:07] <benplaut> XIII: maybe it means that nobody knows an answer
[04:07] <franlopez> "Could not open ALSA sequenceras a client
[04:08] <asda> guys
[04:08] <franlopez> is agnula based on ubunt?
[04:08] <asda> help me
[04:08] <] BreliC[> franlopez, you could check out www.agnula.org
[04:08] <] BreliC[> franlopez, yes, based on ubuntu
[04:08] <benplaut> X111: try #ubuntu-jp
[04:08] <franlopez> so i can install it without unistalling my ubuntu?
[04:09] <XIII> lol
[04:09] <] BreliC[> franlopez, make sure you try DeMuDi in the download section of AGNULA.. that's the one based on Debian Ubuntu
[04:09] <XIII> just me there
[04:09] <] BreliC[> franlopez, i'm not sure about that..
[04:09] <XIII> benplaut, where can i find languages package to download and install??
[04:09] <raDeon> is it just me
[04:09] <raDeon> or does the saudi arabian guy
[04:09] <raDeon> who died
[04:09] <benplaut> X111: try in Synaptic
[04:09] <franlopez> yes, i've checked that one out a few minutes ago... it says there are two ways of installing, and one is with apt get.......
[04:10] <raDeon> look like he's 50 and not 83
[04:10] <benplaut> !repositories
[04:10] <ubotu> somebody said repositories was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto, or repos
[04:10] <[thomas] > !ulimit
[04:10] <ubotu> [thomas] : Are you smoking crack?
[04:10] <XIII> benplaut, what is synaptic?
[04:10] <benplaut> !synaptic
[04:10] <ubotu> synaptic is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[04:10] <[thomas] > !limit
[04:10] <ubotu> [thomas] : Are you smoking crack?
[04:10] <benplaut> read that...
[04:10] <] BreliC[> franlopez, ahh, then i guess you can. i imagine it will patch the kernel as well?
[04:10] <[thomas] > benplaut can help dude
[04:10] <XIII> ok
[04:10] <benplaut> !info ulimit
[04:10] <franlopez> that was what i wasn't sure enough...
[04:10] <franlopez> mmmhhh... i guess i'll try that
[04:11] <erisco> seveas.... i know you can help me on this one for sure =0 but if anyone else can too thats great
[04:11] <benplaut> !info ulimit
[04:11] <ma3x> rob_p: are you still there Sir?
[04:11] <[thomas] > no info for that
[04:11] <[thomas] > how command to use ulimit ?
[04:11] <rob_p> ma3x: Yup!
[04:11] <erisco> when i registered on www.dot.tk for my site, i pointed the domain towards my gateway
[04:11] <franlopez> ok brelic, i'll check that out now, thanks
[04:11] <benplaut> !find ulimit
[04:11] <erisco> well it doesn't work.... lol i know bad to say
[04:11] <[thomas] > i'm on ubuntuforums now
[04:11] <[thomas] > and not found
[04:11] <ma3x> thank god!
[04:12] <erisco> on firefox when i try to hit the gateway ip, it says the connection is refused
[04:12] <rob_p> ma3x: What's up?
[04:12] <rob_p> ma3x:
[04:12] <levander> CD and DVD drives are considered optical drives right?
[04:12] <] BreliC[> franlopez, no prob. i like it (though i still don't trust linux for my pro audio work.. the only reason i still keep a windows partition)
[04:12] <ma3x> rob_p: Sir, I think it works with the mail now, only thing is that it doesn't deliver
[04:12] <rob_p> ma3x: Deliver to where?
[04:12] <[thomas] > Sir ?
[04:12] <ma3x> to the local mailbox
[04:13] <ma3x> it says Remote host said: 554 : Relay access denied
[04:13] <ma3x> and the IP does not like recipient.
[04:14] <rob_p> ma3x: Yes, that is because you need to make sure that your postfix is setup to relay for your local machine (and any other "trusted" sources).
[04:14] <benplaut> sir?!
[04:14] <ma3x> how do I make sure of that Sir?
[04:14] <[thomas] > Sir benplaut can help me sir
[04:14] <ka234> lol
[04:14] <rob_p> alright guys...
[04:15] <[thomas] > !info ulimit
[04:15] <inCo> ive just downloaded "kvirc-3.2.0.tar.bz" and i need to know ow to go about installing it, im new to linnux so i usually use synaptic, but the latest version of kvirc wasnt listed so i downloaded the latest version from their site
[04:15] <benplaut> try !find ulimit
[04:15] <inCo> can anyone help me please??
[04:15] <[thomas] > inco try apt-get install kvirc
[04:15] <ma3x> rob_p: and also ssh is not opening port 22, although forwarded
[04:15] <[thomas] > !find ulimit
[04:15] <ma3x> maybe i didn't install ssh
[04:16] <[thomas] > inCo u can use sypnatic
[04:16] <[thomas] > and remove *.tar.bz
[04:16] <chris_> isn't the gnome-terminal supposed to close after 'exit'? mine does not close
[04:16] <ma3x> do I need to install openssh, or ssh server?
[04:16] <JoshRA> 56Is there anyway to install ubuntu from the internet
[04:16] <kram3r> hey all
[04:17] <JoshRA> my cdrom drive is not working all that good
[04:17] <inCo> synaptic comes with version 2
[04:17] <kram3r> anyone had luck with s3 suspend and ubuntu (or linux for that matter)
[04:17] <inCo> i dont know how to install files i have downlo9aded manually
[04:17] <[thomas] > use the last version Sir
[04:17] <rob_p> ma3x: It's in the config file... look for directives, "mydestination", "mynetworks", and "smtpd_recipient_restrictions" and make sure that they are setup properly...
[04:17] <[thomas] > don't download maually
[04:17] <[thomas] > i try that and suck with tha
[04:17] <calc> kram3r: it apparently works on some machines ;)
[04:18] <erisco> alright i was a little unclear about that
[04:18] <kram3r> I have had great luck with suspend to disk, just suspend to ram always breaks
[04:18] <erisco> i went through again and found some more specific questions
[04:18] <rob_p> ma3x: As far as ssh, check your sshd config file and make sure it's sane...
[04:18] <[thomas] > ubotu Package 'ulimit' does not exist.
[04:18] <ubotu> [thomas] : I haven't a clue
[04:18] <[thomas] > lol
[04:18] <erisco> when i type in apache2 in my terminal, it complains saying the server does not know its qualified domain name
[04:18] <kev0r> Anyone here using the hilightwin.pl script in IRssi?
[04:18] <kram3r> calc: yeah, I was hoping to sell my powerbook on ebay and use my dell with ubuntu
[04:18] <erisco> so it uses my computer's ip instead
[04:18] <ma3x> rob_p: I just seen Sir, it's not installed
[04:19] <ma3x> what version do you preffer openssh or ssh?
[04:19] <kram3r> calc: it works fine, but power management is difficult withouth suspend to ram
[04:19] <calc> [thomas] : ulimit is part of the shell
[04:19] <erisco> how can i configure a qualified domain name for apache2?
[04:19] <erisco> in the conf file?
[04:19] <rob_p> ma3x: Well, that would explain it now wouldn't it!!!
[04:19] <erisco> and if so... i am having a hard time finding it
[04:19] <ma3x> rob_p: absolutely Sir!
[04:19] <calc> kram3r: aiui it works with some non broken laptops, but getting it working in general is going to take a lot of work
[04:19] <[thomas] > calc do u now use that ?
[04:19] <[thomas] > i dunno
[04:20] <erisco> does anyone get what i am saying?
[04:20] <[thomas] > can teach me sir
[04:20] <inCo> how do i install files downloaded via web browser then?
[04:20] <calc> esp since video card makers suck
[04:20] <nJess> how do i install ndiswrapper into ubuntu 64?
[04:20] <cafuego> nJess: Same way as on 32bit. Do you have 64bit Windows drivers?
[04:20] <erisco> hmmmmm i guess no one is catching onto my problem
[04:21] <calc> [thomas] : type help ulimit at console screen
[04:21] <nJess> cafuego, its not working
[04:21] <erisco> oh shoot, i am not in the right channel
[04:21] <nJess> i have the drivers
[04:21] <JoshRA> Hello is there away to install ubuntu i do not have a working cdrom drive. My old linux install is not working.
[04:21] <erisco> sorry about that
[04:21] <nJess> i can't get utils and whatnot
[04:21] <JoshRA> Network Install
[04:21] <inCo> or better still how do i install kvirc version 3.2.0? im a linux newcomer
[04:21] <cafuego> nJess: Are the drivers 64bit?
[04:21] <zany> hey
[04:21] <calc> [thomas] : what are you wanting to use ulimit for by the way?
[04:21] <parabolize> nJess: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowtoUseNdiswrapperOnAmd64Ubuntu
[04:21] <nJess> cafuego, i cannot even get that far
[04:21] <zany> what's the package to install sun-j2re please ?
[04:21] <nJess> the drivers are
[04:21] <nJess> parabolize, thanks
[04:21] <zany> i can't find it :(
[04:22] <[thomas] > thanks very much sir calc
[04:22] <[thomas] > okay brb
[04:22] <raDeon> Linux ubuntu 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:12:40 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[04:22] <calc> nJess: to use ndiswrapper on amd64 port you must have a 64bit windows driver for the nic
[04:23] <cafuego> Holy shit
[04:23] <Zodiac> hey guys, I cant get my DMA to stay on for /dev/hdc
[04:23] <Zodiac> Any idears?
[04:23] <zany> Zodiac, what's your mobo?
[04:23] <cafuego> Zodiac: Then either the controller, the cable or the drive is probbaly going to die.
[04:23] <JoshRA> Any ideas?
[04:23] <Zodiac> hmmm
[04:23] <cpt> aloo
[04:23] <Zodiac> Well
[04:23] <zany> kt7?
[04:23] <Zodiac> I can turn it on with the terminal
[04:24] <Zodiac> and everything works great
[04:24] <nJess> calc, i have them
[04:24] <Zodiac> but the code in the DMA dma = on isnt working
[04:24] <zany> Zodiac, what's your motherboard ?
[04:24] <Zodiac> ummm
[04:24] <Zodiac> hold on a sec
[04:24] <zany> k
[04:24] <zany> what's the package to install sun-j2re please ?
[04:24] <Zodiac> It is an IBM T40 laptop
[04:25] <zany> Zodiac, sorry that does not help
[04:25] <Zodiac> ok let me see
[04:25] <JoshRA> Hello I am trying to find away to install ubuntu from the internet because my cdrom drive does not work. Does anyone know away:?
[04:25] <calc> zany: its not in ubuntu since its not legal to distribute
[04:25] <zany> j2re ? no one ?
[04:25] <cafuego> zany: Dopwnload the .bin (not rpm) from Sun and create your own using the 'make-jpkg' command frok 'java-package'.
[04:26] <JoshRA> Hello I am trying to find away to install ubuntu from the internet because my cdrom drive does not work. Does anyone know away:?
[04:26] <zany> cafuego, thanks
[04:26] <Harold> Hello again all.
[04:27] <Zodiac> damn I have no idea
[04:27] <Harold> JoshRA: I've heard of a way you can do that...
[04:27] <Zodiac> Apparently Ubuntu doesnt know either
[04:27] <a3a> how do i mount the hd in ubuntu live?
[04:27] <aru> JoshRA: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-29358.html
[04:27] <Harold> JoshRA: You can install debian and then change the sources.list to install Ubuntu.
[04:27] <cafuego> JoshRA: you'll need a tftp server and some images you can use with it.
[04:28] <aru> JoshRA: I did a google search for Ubuntu net install and thats what it gave me
[04:28] <rob_p> JoshRA: found this from a google search... maybe it'll help as well: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-25269.html
[04:28] <Zodiac> zany, why would the motherboard make a differnce?
[04:28] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> Hey, can anyone help me network hoary and windows xp?
[04:28] <zany> because i just had the same problem
[04:28] <zany> until i changed the mobo this morning
[04:28] <zany> now everything is fine
[04:29] <Zodiac> hmmm
[04:29] <Zodiac> even with the code added to hdparm?
[04:29] <zany> i had hdd dma problems
[04:29] <ma3x> Sir rob_p : May I ask you if postfix reads the configuration of usr/share/postfix/main.cf.dist as well, or I have to enter all options from there to /etc/postfix/main.cf ?
[04:29] <QMario> Is there a "Package Manager" for SUSE?
[04:29] <Zodiac> I don't seem to have any once it is enabled
[04:29] <lamont> ma3x main.cf.dist is the defaults for all the values.
[04:29] <aru> QMario: try #suse
[04:30] <JoshRA> rob_p: since i can not use a cdrom
[04:30] <ma3x> lamont: I am sorry I didn't get that, is it the default file for all the values?
[04:30] <Nefarous> Cry_Ubuntu_Mac: what do you need?
[04:30] <JoshRA> i can not install debian
[04:30] <zany> :oP
[04:30] <lamont> ma3x: postconf -d
[04:30] <lamont> the that's how main.cf.dist is created.
[04:30] <aru> JoshRA: try the link I pasted
[04:30] <JoshRA> i do not haev a tftp server
[04:30] <JoshRA> or a linux server
[04:30] <JoshRA> i can use
[04:30] <lamont> main.cf is only the non-default values. main.cf.dist is there for your reading pleasure, and nothing more
[04:30] <Harold> JoshRA: Sorry, JoshRA. That's the only way I know how to do it.
[04:31] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> Once more, anyone know how to use samba to create a local network with windows?
[04:31] <aru> JoshRA: did you try the link I pasted
[04:31] <aru> !samba
[04:31] <ubotu> methinks samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[04:31] <Zodiac> Does anybody else have any ideas as to why my DMA will not turn on by default?
[04:31] <Hoxzer> :D I found out that you have to have some free space in HDD so Ubuntu can start
[04:31] <JoshRA> aru: trhat is what i am talking about
[04:31] <aru> Cry_Ubuntu_Mac: try the link ubotu said
[04:31] <aru> JoshRA: are you sure?
[04:31] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> ubotu rocks. thank you
[04:31] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, Cry_Ubuntu_Mac
[04:31] <JoshRA> 22:27:45 < aru> JoshRA: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-29358.html
[04:32] <nJess> okay, i have the correct drivers
[04:32] <aru> Cry_Ubuntu_Mac: did you order a ubuntu cd from ubuntu.com?
[04:32] <aru> err
[04:32] <nJess> but when i do modprobe ndiswrapper it stops responding
[04:32] <rob_p> JoshRA: It's hard to live without a CDROM drive these days... maybe you should consider investing in one! They can be had for just a few bucks if you look around...
[04:32] <zany> cafuego, i got the .bin - now i have to get the package "java-common" ? that's right ?
[04:32] <JoshRA> rob_p: mine had just borke
[04:32] <Nefarous> Are there any hot keys to toggle between virtual desktops? On KDE it's Alt-Tab, does ubuntu/gnome have anything similar?
[04:32] <aru> JoshRA: did you try ordering a cd from ubuntu
[04:33] <JoshRA> yes but my cdrom drive is broken so that is no help tp me
[04:33] <aru> JoshRA: did you try taking the soda cans to the store?
[04:33] <JoshRA> to busy with work :/
[04:34] <aru> oh so you have a job... wait until payday and get a cdr :)
[04:34] <JoshRA> 2 weeks
[04:34] <JoshRA> >.<
[04:34] <JoshRA> i can not stand being in windows that long
[04:34] <Davey> JoshRA, got a floppy drive?
[04:34] <JaZy84> i think i'm just going to reinstall but this time use a 5.04 to fix my mp3 playback problem :(
[04:34] <JoshRA> i will throw the computer out the window
[04:34] <Cry_Ubuntu_Mac> yeah, ubotu, aru that was it. thanks.
[04:34] <JoshRA> yes Davey i do
[04:34] <Davey> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29358
[04:34] <Davey> might be of interest ;)
[04:35] <aru> Cry_Ubuntu_Mac: awesome, you can try !anything with that bot and almost always get a match
[04:35] <SquareGuy> Nefarous, look under System/Preferences/Keyboard Shortcuts. you can set it up however you like
[04:35] <Davey> JoshRA, oh, looks like someone laready gave you that link
[04:36] <JoshRA> yes
[04:36] <Nefarous> SquareGuy: thanks I'm already there, it hit me after I typed in the question ...
[04:36] <JoshRA> for some reason
[04:36] <JoshRA> the fl;oppy isnot reasoning
[04:36] <Jhonen> Guys I am having trouble, I installed Ubuntu and now I can't find Microsoft Explorer
[04:36] <SquareGuy> Nefarous, np
[04:36] <cafuego> aru/Cry_Ubuntu_Mac: And if not, there's also the !listkeys <string> or !listvals <string> commands for searching factoids by keyword.
[04:36] <Chris_Tucker> how do i set my samba server to allow guest access?? THAT is access without a login prompt on the remote computer???????????????
[04:36] <Davey> Chris_Tucker, you only need one ? in the english language
[04:36] <nalioth> Jhonen: that is a serious problem
[04:36] <Jhonen> :(
[04:37] <Jhonen> I can't find my games either
[04:37] <Chris_Tucker> Davey it seems that doesnt work anymore in here
[04:37] <equex> where is a good place to put commands you want run right before the desktop is loaded ?
[04:37] <aru> Jhonen: what are you trying to do?
[04:37] <Davey> Chris_Tucker, and try editing the /etc/samba/smb.conf
[04:37] <cafuego> Jhonen: Did you tell the installer to use the entire disk?
[04:37] <equex> i seem to have no rc.boot ir rc.local
[04:37] <Jhonen> I wanted to install linux because I heard it was good
[04:37] <Jhonen> now I can't find microsoft internet explorer
[04:37] <nalioth> equex: system > preferences > session mangler
[04:37] <Jhonen> It has my book marks
[04:37] <cafuego> Jhonen: Are you running Linux at the moment?
[04:37] <aru> Jhonen: it is, but did you try Applications > Internet > Mozilla Firefox?
[04:38] <Jhonen> No
[04:38] <Chris_Tucker> Davey that doesnt seem to contain what i need. the access line for user-specific line is commented out
[04:38] <Jhonen> This is my friends computer
[04:38] <t3rror> does anyone know how to set my nic to wake on lan?
[04:38] <Davey> Chris_Tucker, GIYF
[04:38] <t3rror> i want to be able to ssh into my router and then wake this machine from there
[04:38] <aru> Jhonen: Firefox is a web browser which kicks IEs arse, try that
[04:38] <cafuego> Jhonen: Did you tell the installer to overwrite the entire disk on your own computer?
[04:38] <Jhonen> But where did all my software go!?
[04:38] <aru> Jhonen: :)
[04:38] <Jhonen> I told it to use the whole thing
[04:38] <auk> Jhonen, it is impossible to completely remove IE form windwos...w/o seriously messing up the system
[04:38] <cafuego> Jhonen: Then it wiped EVERYTHING.
[04:38] <Chris_Tucker> Davey GIYF?
[04:39] <Davey> Chris_Tucker, Google Is Your Friend
[04:39] <Jhonen> WIPED!? It didn't say it would wipe out all the software!?
[04:39] <equex> nalioth: alright, trying to find that :D
[04:39] <t3rror> holy shit....
[04:39] <Chris_Tucker> Davey, i am aware of this
[04:39] <cafuego> Jhonen: What did you think would happen then?
[04:39] <auk> Jhonen: you told it to use the whole drive?
[04:39] <t3rror> did this guy just format his hd and not know it
[04:39] <Jhonen> I thought it would look like the screen shots
[04:39] <Jhonen> and i'd just close it when I was done
[04:39] <cafuego> t3rror: yeah
[04:39] <t3rror> hah
[04:39] <t3rror> that is entertainment
[04:39] <rob_p> Jhonen: Your PC has been assimilated (sp?)...
[04:39] <t3rror> i hope you didn't have anything important on there
[04:40] <Nefarous> either that or he's just having phun with us
[04:40] <t3rror> all the pron and mp3's are gone
[04:40] <Jhonen> XD
[04:40] <raDeon> what's the command to see load
[04:40] <nJess> hey, are there any known issues with IPN2220 chipset wireless cards in 64bit os?
[04:40] <Jhonen> I wouldn't have fun
[04:40] <cafuego> Jhonen: No, it creates a partition on disk and installs to that. It normally lives side by side with windows, but if you wold it to use the entire disk, it wiped windows.
[04:40] <Davey> raDeon, top
[04:40] <auk> Jhonen: if you told it to wip[e the drive, you didn't think it would wipe the drive?!?
[04:40] <Jhonen> Really?
[04:40] <raDeon> what's the other one
[04:40] <Davey> Jhonen, and every single file on the disk
[04:40] <raDeon> that just shows you the load averages
[04:40] <t3rror> anything on the wake on lan settings?
[04:40] <windex> raDeon, w
[04:40] <Davey> raDeon, uptime?
[04:40] <raDeon> ah yeah uptime
[04:40] <t3rror> its all toast jhonen
[04:40] <Jhonen> I thought wiping would clean it, I didnt think it was the same as delete
[04:40] <raDeon> and what is "w"
[04:41] <cafuego> nalioth: Sheesh, haven't you had a shower? ;-)
[04:41] <Nefarous> now I know he's screwing with us
[04:41] <CarlFK> Jhonen - (I am assuming you are telling the truth) It did warn you, and ask you at least one more time.
[04:41] <nalioth> Jhonen: your windows has been cleansed
[04:41] <auk> nalioth: rofl
[04:41] <auk> Jhonen: it did clean th edrive...of windows
[04:41] <aru> either he was really dumb, or just really dumb
[04:41] <cafuego> windex: What did you do to Jhonens windows?
[04:42] <SquareGuy> I think the default install should wipe windows without asking ;)
[04:42] <t3rror> you should have used knoppix
[04:42] <t3rror> lol
[04:42] <windex> cafuego, right, blame me! it was.. TROGDOR!
[04:42] <rob_p> Jhonen: I'd say it did a great job of "cleaning" your PC!
[04:42] <auk> Jhonen: it sanitized your hard drive
[04:42] <auk> no more FAT :D
[04:42] <cafuego> windex: How can I not blame you? ;-)
[04:42] <Nefarous> he's gone, no more wiping discussion, he was screwing with us anyhow ...
[04:42] <windex> cafuego, watch it, or i will build cpanbuntu, a version of ubuntu that updates via cpan and not apt!
[04:43] <cafuego> ANd if not, it's probably too much to hope ha had a backup.
[04:43] <aru> Nefarous: I almost felt sorry for the guy for a minute
[04:43] <rob_p> yeah... talk about trimmin' the FAT... he, he, he
[04:43] <Nefarous> windex: now that is funny!
[04:43] <cafuego> windex: As lithp script under EmacsOS?
[04:43] <auk> Nefarious: but of course
[04:43] <windex> cafuego, buaha.
[04:43] <SquareGuy> spwaking of wiping though what is some good hardware to actually wipe a drive, i'm gonna have to send my laptop in for service soon.
[04:43] <windex> cafuego, instead of X you'll get a emacs login window! it'll be schweet!
[04:43] <SquareGuy> i meant software duh
[04:43] <nalioth> SquareGuy: shred
[04:43] <cafuego> SquareGuy: /dev/hammer
[04:43] <auk> Nefarious: if i thought he was serious, i woudl have been nicer ;D
[04:44] <SquareGuy> nalioth, cafuego thx
[04:44] <Nefarous> :)
[04:44] <cafuego> SquareGuy: After my suggestion you'll need a new drive, though.
[04:44] <aru> auk: I actually gave the guy the menu links to open Firefox... maybe I'm the dumb one :)
[04:44] <SquareGuy> cafuego, well that wouldnt be any good then
[04:44] <nalioth> SquareGuy: cafuego's method will definitely secure your data
[04:44] <linlin> is there any way i can mount a bin/cue as a cdrom drive or hard drive?
[04:45] <equex> nalioth: are you talking about the session manager in the control centre ?
[04:45] <cafuego> aru: You can't automagically assume anyonbe asking a dumb question is a troll..
[04:45] <nalioth> SquareGuy: the "shred" method might leave something that 4 or 5 superputers would need a few years to pull up
[04:45] <windex> cafuego, emabuntucpan will rule the world!
[04:45] <aru> cafuego: but I can assume you are!!! :)
[04:45] <auk> aru: i do not see how anyone that stupid would be abl eto get his comp to boot from an install cd in the first place...the installer warns you like, five times
[04:45] <nalioth> equex: system > preferences > session
[04:45] <cafuego> linlin: No, you must convert it to iso first. use bchunk
[04:45] <windex> SquareGuy, just drill a hole through the disk platter and call it done.
[04:45] <windex> SquareGuy, anyone who wants to work around that deserves your data.
[04:45] <linlin> bchunk will convert it to iso?
[04:45] <auk> cafuego: *
[04:46] <cafuego> aru: I CAN'T GET CLICK-N-RUN TO INSTALL ANYTHING!!!?
[04:46] <aru> auk: he did say he was using a friends computer, so maybe he booted in, deleted everything... ah fsck it
[04:46] <nalioth> cafuego: "a" dumb question, no, but a whole series of the most stupid lines of reasoning?
[04:46] <aru> heh
[04:46] <cafuego> nalioth: You'd be surprised...
[04:46] <equex> nalioth: heh i forgot i was in #ubuntu.. i am using kde
[04:46] <aru> if I had click-n-run, I wouldn't need to work out anymore
[04:46] <SquareGuy> windex, hehe nah i will need to use the drive again
[04:46] <auk> equex: buuuuuurrrnn at the STAKE!
[04:46] <nalioth> cafuego: the "i cant find IE" gave it away (classic trolling line)
[04:47] <nalioth> equex: i'm not familiar with KDE and its startup mechanisms
[04:47] <auk> aru: lol
[04:47] <cafuego> nalioth: I was thinking he meant he couldn't boot windows
[04:47] <aru> auk: glad someone caught that
[04:47] <cafuego> nalioth: ... coz he wiped it.
[04:47] <skalpel> how can i play wma files in ubuntu?
[04:47] <aru> cafuego: glad to see I wasn't the only one fooled
[04:47] <aru> !wma
[04:47] <ubotu> aru: I don't know, could you explain it?
[04:47] <aru> !mp3
[04:47] <ubotu> I guess mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[04:47] <auk> aru: yeah, but it was a pretty lame joke :)
[04:47] <aru> heh
[04:47] <Nefarous> I'm trying to build Qt4, what package contains X11/Xlib.h ?
[04:47] <cafuego> !w32codecs
[04:47] <ubotu> from memory, w32codecs is a set of codecs needed to play many common audio and video formats, such as WMV. You can install w32codecs from the hoary-extras repositories (see: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org).
[04:47] <nalioth> !info w32codecs
[04:47] <paradizelost> hey all. how do i get mount.cifs support???
[04:48] <aru> auk: I wasn't sure how to spell excersize... (sp)
[04:48] <skalpel> no more codecs.
[04:48] <skalpel> =)
[04:48] <cafuego> !find mount.cifs
[04:48] <ubotu> Ubuntu Search of 'mount.cifs' (3 shown): (/sbin/mount.cifs) in otherosfs/smbfs ;; (/usr/share/samba/swat/help/mount.cifs.8.html) in universe/net/swat ;; (/usr/share/doc/samba-doc/htmldocs/mount.cifs.8.html) in doc/samba-doc.
[04:48] <windex> skalpel, i beleive some builds of VLC make this possible. http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
[04:48] <cafuego> paradizelost: install 'smbfs'
[04:49] <Madpilot> nalioth: see one "I can't find IE on Linux" that might not be a troll: http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=94318
[04:49] <cafuego> !dict excercise
[04:49] <ubotu> could not find definition for excercise
[04:49] <cafuego> ubotu: you lie
[04:49] <ubotu> cafuego: Wish i knew
[04:49] <linlin> cafuego, gow do i use this bchunk?
[04:49] <cafuego> linlin: man bchunk
[04:49] <linlin> how**
[04:50] <rob_p> SquareGuy: Is it you that was asking about wiping a hard disk?
[04:50] <t3rror> no one here is interested in letting me in on the wake on lan features in ubuntu?
[04:50] <cafuego> SquareGuy: You could also just plonk a password on the bootloader (or remove the HD)
[04:50] <windex> t3rror, wake on lan is typically a bios feature.
[04:50] <SquareGuy> rob_p, yeah i was just reading about shred and it doesnt look like it will do what i need
[04:50] <ma3x> cafuego: can you please help me with postfix?
[04:51] <t3rror> windex, what if the nic isn't onboard the motherboard
[04:51] <levander> If you write a multi-session disc, can you read all the sessions? Or, just the last session written?
[04:51] <rob_p> SquareGuy: Check this out: http://dban.sourceforge.net/ It's a bootable cd that you can use to wipe all data from the drive. I think it has an NSA-level wiping scheme...
[04:51] <Nefarous> SquareGuy: how serious of a wipe do you want? You can simply use dd to write 0's, or you can do government standard 7 pass wipes ...
[04:51] <t3rror> it is an add-in pci
[04:51] <rob_p> SquareGuy: I've used it before... it's pretty good!
[04:51] <lamont> ma3x: what are you trying to do with postfix?
[04:51] <cafuego> Next time, don't put goatpr0n on it to begin with ;-)
[04:52] <skalpel> if i have to instance of synaptic running but i still get this error: E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[04:52] <skalpel> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[04:52] <skalpel> when trying to use apt-get what does it mean?
[04:52] <cafuego> skalpel: It needs to run as root.
[04:52] <ma3x> lamont: I am trying to send myself email from my Yahoo to my local
[04:52] <cafuego> skalpel: 'sudo synaptic'
[04:52] <ma3x> Remote host said: 554 <[email protected]>: Relay access denied
[04:52] <skalpel> ok, thank you
[04:53] <ma3x> and I get this Giving up on 194.158.241.198.
[04:53] <ma3x> 194.158.241.198 does not like recipient.
[04:53] <SquareGuy> rob_p, thx ill look at it Nefarous i didnt see an option for entire drive, just files and it said for individual files i would need a non-journaled file system and i use ext3
[04:53] <windex> t3rror, unless the board/nic support it, ubuntu, to my knowledge, has no way to boot the computer, as it is not executing anything if the machine is powered off.
[04:53] <lamont> ma3x: and you have inet_interfaces = all (or commented out) in /etc/postfix/main.cf?
[04:53] <ma3x> lamont: I have them commented
[04:53] <lamont> and what do you have for mydestination?
[04:53] <skalpel> can someoen explain to me how to find broken packages in synaptic?
[04:53] <ma3x> mydestination = localhost.localdomain, localhost.localdomain, localhost
[04:54] <Zartan> I found good instruction getting Logitech QuickCam Express running in Ubuntu, but I haven't found any english language page. So I haven't webcam runnig yet. Could someone help me or translate one of help pages? :)
[04:54] <windex> t3rror, if you are talking about exiting apci sleep on lan activity, that may be possible, but i've never done it.
[04:54] <lamont> add the hostname, postfix reload, and all should be well
[04:54] <ma3x> lamont: can i just put localhost?
[04:54] <ma3x> that won't resolve ?
[04:54] <jasmuz> Zartan: if you find one in spanish i would translate it for ya
[04:54] <lamont> ma3x: well, if you can send email to localhost and have it arrive at your machine, then it'll work. but I don't think yahoo will route localhost to your machine
[04:54] <Zartan> jasmuz :) I try
[04:55] <ma3x> lamont: what should i put at relayhost ?
[04:55] <ma3x> also the hostname?
[04:55] <Nefarous> SquareGuy: everything is a file in Linux, dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/hda, but you obviously can't do it to the hard drive while the OS is on it :) Either use a boot CD, or make it a secondary disk
[04:55] <lamont> if the destination domain name is not in mydestination, then postfix assumes that it must relay for that domain
[04:55] <SquareGuy> Nefarous, i got ya now ithought you were talking about shred
[04:55] <rob_p> ma3x: You need to study a little more about the proper requirements for setting up a mailserver that participates on a public network. It really should be on a static IP with proper forward and reverse DNS entries for a domain that you control. Then, you should take the time to make sure it will only deliver mail from local/trusted hosts and that it will only receive external mail for which it considers itself the final de
[04:55] <rob_p> stination.
[04:55] <auk> !/dev/hammer
[04:55] <ubotu> I don't know, auk
[04:55] <lamont> ma3x: if your ISP requires that you use a relay host, you'll want that hostname in [] . If you can deliver mail directly, then you probably want to leave relayhost blank
[04:56] <auk> :(
[04:57] <aru> cafuego: how is it you get ubotu to message someone a link?
[04:57] <jantan21> hellow all
[04:57] <cralost> hi everyone
[04:57] <haon99> what is this ubuntu
[04:57] <Madpilot> aur "tell <foo> about <bar>"
[04:57] <nalioth> aru: you say !tell <whomever> about <factoid>
[04:57] <rob_p> ma3x: What is your purpose for running your own MTA other than local mail delivery (which can be done on local loopback)?
[04:57] <haon99> what makes it better than other linux distros?
[04:58] <aru> ok
[04:58] <nalioth> aru: or you /msg ubotu tell <whomever> about <factoid>
[04:58] <aru> awesome, thanks
[04:58] <aru> I've found its easier to type !foo than to actually help people
[04:59] <Madpilot> !ubotu
[04:59] <ubotu> it has been said that ubotu is uh... Thaaat's me! I'm a bot. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu!
[04:59] <windex> haon99, it's about what you like to use. ubuntu provides an easy to use, debian based gnome desktop, that looks pretty good and works well regardless of your experience level.
[04:59] <jantan21> how domain for ubuntu
[04:59] <haon99> I see
[04:59] <aru> !tell aru about mp3
[04:59] <aru> ok thats easy enough
[05:00] <auk> hehe, ubotu's got an ego, i see
[05:00] <aru> haon99: are you a windows user?
[05:01] <ma3x> rob_p: I can't get it working Sir, it says localhost.localdomain loops back to myself
[05:01] <ma3x> but it should loop to itself, right?
[05:01] <auk> !linux
[05:01] <ubotu> rumour has it, linux is the kernel (core) of the Ubuntu operating system. Ubuntu is only one version of the GNU/Linux operating system. For more information on Linux in general, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
[05:03] <amarcucci> hey, sorry if it seems like a stupid thing to ask, what do i have to add to fstab to mount another ntfs hard drive?
[05:03] <aru> amarcucci: http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html <- good fstab info
[05:03] <Madpilot> auk: you can do "/msg ubotu <foo>" if you want to chat with the bot at length
[05:03] <lJlolel> hello
[05:03] <rob_p> ma3x: You didn't answer my question... Properly setting up an MTA takes a little more than just "tinkering" with configs until you get it to work. Blindly putting an MTA on the 'Net can cause both you and your ISP some trouble!
[05:04] <lJlolel> just installed ubuntu, Screen Resolution doesn't open
[05:04] <auk> Madpilot: we are allowed to caht w/ him at length?
[05:04] <aru> lJlolel: system > preferences > screen resolution?
[05:04] <amarcucci> thanks, I'll check it out
[05:04] <Madpilot> auk: sure. it's useful if you've got a bunch of questions, or are writing new blurbs for ubotu
[05:05] <lJlolel> right, i click it, i get the waiting icon in the bar, but then it closes and no window opens
[05:05] <ma3x> I want only local mail transfer agent
[05:05] <aru> weird
[05:05] <auk> hmm, i though the powers that be didn't liek people taxing bots
[05:05] <cafuego> auk: I've already paid GST on ubotu
[05:06] <rob_p> ma3x: Then why open it up to the 'Net in the first place?
[05:06] <ma3x> rob_p: do you know if kmail can check web mail from hotmail?
[05:06] <Madpilot> cafuego: :)
[05:06] <ma3x> rob_p: to be able to send??
[05:07] <rob_p> ma3x: Not sure. I don't use Hotmail and don't know what capabilities they offer. Most certainely they won't let you connect to their SMTP service for sending unless they require credentials, etc.
[05:07] <lJlolel> my screen is currently 640x480 :(
[05:08] <f_newton> hotmail is horrible
[05:08] <Madpilot> !resolution
[05:08] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:08] <f_newton> gmail is good
[05:08] <six2one> has anyone tried breezy lately? does x die after apt?
[05:08] <lJlolel> thanks!
[05:08] <cafuego> six2one: yes
[05:08] <aru> f_newton: some of us are stuck with hotmail
[05:08] <cafuego> !info xutils breezy
[05:08] <ubotu> xutils: (X Window System utility programs), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.8.2-42 (breezy), Packaged size: 60 kB, Installed size: 156 kB
[05:08] <lJlolel> and do you suggest xfce?
[05:08] <cafuego> aru: gmail
[05:08] <rob_p> ma3x: If you want you MTA to be able to send e-mail out to the 'Net, configure it to relay via your ISP's smarthost.
[05:08] <Amaranth> six2one: Supposedly right now an upgrade from hoary to breezy will somewhat work.
[05:08] <lJlolel> resolution
[05:09] <lJlolel> what does !resolution mean?
[05:09] <esac_> I am running linux on an old laptop (p2 366). On it I have apache. I tried downloading a file locally to another system, and it copied ok. But afterwards, my linux box is freezing, "top" shows a lot of time (81%) being spent in "wa" under CPU times and I don't know what that is
[05:09] <Amaranth> six2one: I mean X will somewhat work.
[05:09] <aru> cafuego: I have MSN as my isp...
[05:09] <auk> aru: i feel sorry for you
[05:09] <cafuego> Amaranth: xutils -42 is the broken one.
[05:09] <esac_> there also seems to be a lot of time being spent in apache2
[05:09] <aru> auk: I love you too
[05:09] <cafuego> aru: So?
[05:09] <windex> aru: if you honestly do not have a gmail account by now... :P
[05:09] <Amaranth> cafuego: xutils is a metapackage
[05:09] <benplaut> MUAHAHAHAHA!
[05:09] <whitefang> hello
[05:09] <benplaut> i finally struck a deal that works!
[05:09] <Amaranth> six2one: but you have to install a bunch of extra stuff too
[05:09] <gigaclon> anyone want a gmail?
[05:09] <aru> lJlolel: follow that link that ubotu posted
[05:09] <auk> lJoloel: prepend a message with "!" and ubotu will respond
[05:09] <gigaclon> :)
[05:09] <ma3x> rob_p: how do i discover my isp's smarthost?
[05:09] <Amaranth> six2one: xrdb, xauth, xprop, and some more
[05:09] <whitefang> i just installed ubuntu, and i don't remember it giving me the option to set a root password
[05:09] <benplaut> gigaclon: we all have them
[05:09] <lJlolel> !resolution
[05:09] <ubotu> I guess resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:09] <lJlolel> oh i see, thanks
[05:10] <aru> like that :)
[05:10] <gigaclon> :)
[05:10] <Madpilot> !sudo
[05:10] <ubotu> it has been said that sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:10] <benplaut> ^^read that
[05:10] <Madpilot> whitefang: see ubotu's post
[05:10] <auk> !tell lJlolel about resolution
[05:10] <cafuego> Amaranth: My version -33 isn't (and IT contains the tools needed) was there a busted depend?
[05:10] <six2one> hoary cant update properly for me anymore and i cant download the packages i need anymore, cause thet fail
[05:10] <Amaranth> cafuego: err, what?
[05:10] <rob_p> ma3x: What (sub) domain name did they provide for their SMTP service? That's what you'd probably use...
[05:10] <lJlolel> auk, heh thats neat
[05:11] <Amaranth> cafuego: you're missing xprop, xrdb, xauth, these are all seperated out, xutils is supposed to depend on them
[05:11] <aru> lJlolel: it works with almost every question you have :)
[05:11] <six2one> so i was hopeful that breezy made progress to where its useable
[05:11] <auk> aru: not true
[05:11] <rob_p> ma3x: ...something like mail.yourisp.com or similar...
[05:11] <cafuego> Amaranth: xutils 6.8.2-33 on amd64 is what I had to install to get the tools back (worked fine)
[05:11] <benplaut> i said that i wouldn't re-install windows onto their computer (4 years without a reinstall... ouch) unless they let me have 10gb for Ubuntu, and they have to promise to give it some time...
[05:11] <benplaut> success!
[05:11] <Amaranth> cafuego: i dunno if -42 does or not but it is supposed to
[05:11] <Amaranth> cafuego: reread what i just said
[05:11] <whitefang> sweet, thanks.
[05:11] <aru> auk: well once he gets his resolution set he probably wants to play an mp3
[05:11] <cafuego> !depedns xutils breezy
[05:11] <ubotu> cafuego: I give up, what is it?
[05:11] <auk> aru, lol
[05:11] <aru> :)
[05:12] <cafuego> Amaranth: I understand what you just said.
[05:12] <Amaranth> cafuego: reread it again
[05:12] <Amaranth> cafuego: Don't tell me X is broken, I'm looking at it working.
[05:12] <cafuego> Amaranth: I fixed it by downgrading to a non-metapackage version.
[05:12] <ma3x> rob_p: I didn't find any option 'smarthost' in the config file, what is the exact option name Sir?
[05:12] <aru> why sir?
[05:12] <hmrocha> hello
[05:12] <hmrocha> x is still broken?
[05:12] <hmrocha> :(
[05:12] <rob_p> ma3x: look for "relayhost" or similar...
[05:12] <cafuego> Amaranth: The depends are not fixed as of the current list on ubotu.
[05:13] <mebaran151> Amaranth: how do you fix X
[05:13] <ma3x> Why, because I call Sir rob_p Sir
[05:13] <hmrocha> i was just thinking about installing breezy colony-2
[05:13] <Amaranth> cafuego: reread what I said
[05:13] <ma3x> because he is a Sir
[05:13] <Amaranth> cafuego: I said they might not be yet.
[05:13] <mebaran151> hmrocha: it works
[05:13] <knowledge_> ok, I've done this a million times and can't seem to remember for the life of me...how do I add something to modprobe?
[05:13] <Amaranth> cafuego: And I mentioned some of the things you need to install.
[05:13] <aru> ma3x: good enough for me
[05:13] <mebaran151> but upgrade really carefully
[05:13] <cafuego> Amaranth: Just conforming it :-)
[05:13] <windex> ma3x, he's been knighted?
[05:13] <cafuego> s/o/i/
[05:13] <rob_p> he, he!
[05:13] <Amaranth> mebaran151: You need to install xrdb, xauth, xprop, xinit, and maybe a couple of other packages
[05:13] <Zartan> jasmuz: I found only french :/ http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?pid=54071. This thing may be good get to HowTo - page in future
[05:13] <skalpel> can someone tell me why i get a small blip coming from the file i want to play before th file actually starts to play in rhythmbox?
[05:13] <ma3x> rob_p: Thank you, and have a good night Sir!
[05:14] <Amaranth> mebaran151: make sure xkeyboard-config is installed properly (try reinstalling it)
[05:14] <rob_p> That's ok... we're all sirs in my book!
[05:14] <rob_p> ma3x: Ok... take care!
[05:14] <hmrocha> mebaran151, i'll install breezy colony-2 from the cd, in another partition, just to be safe :)
[05:14] <whitefang> hmmm
[05:14] <whitefang> weird
[05:14] <Mr> I have just installed Ubuntu and cannot find my other harddrive?
[05:14] <Amaranth> knowledge_: You mean make a module load on boot up?
[05:14] <Amaranth> knowledge_: /etc/modules
[05:14] <gigaclon> !mount
[05:14] <ubotu> well, mount is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[05:14] <aru> Mr: was it ntfs?
[05:14] <knowledge_> Amaranth, Mann!...that's what it is...
[05:14] <amarcucci> what should I do if after mounting a hard drive i get a notice saying that I don't have the necessary permission to view its contents?
[05:14] <thrice`> Mr, dmesg | grep hd
[05:14] <knowledge_> I sweat I think I'm slow sometimes
[05:14] <thrice`> find it yourself :)
[05:14] <knowledge_> swear**
[05:15] <mebaran151> amarucci, you have to add a option to the mount
[05:15] <gigaclon> !tell Mr about mount
[05:15] <mebaran151> users is the normal one
[05:15] <mebaran151> I believe
[05:15] <mebaran151> it is either user or users
[05:15] <amarcucci> y added auto,user
[05:15] <amarcucci> I*
[05:15] <mebaran151> I think you need users
[05:15] <mebaran151> user will mount with root as the user
[05:15] <mulhollandj> good evening, I am trying to get mp3 player software working on my system - I can listen to .ogg files with music player but I can't get any sound from amorak, noatun, or juk - any ideas?
[05:16] <gigaclon> MrTeatime, did you read wiki page
[05:16] <Madpilot> ubotu tell mulhollandj about mp3
[05:16] <chibifs> Hey, I know this is a longshot, but does anyone know of a full-screen window manager (Other than matchbox)? Or maybe something that allows you to run specific programs as panels?
[05:17] <MrTeatime> Working on it now
[05:17] <chibifs> I'm trying to build a unique interface for a mobile device, but with little effort :P
[05:18] <windex> chibifs, i'd like to suggest you go to school, get an MBA, and then hire lackeys to do the real work? :D
[05:19] <Zartan> jasmuz: Understand you french language?
[05:19] <chibifs> windex - No point, these technologies already exist in matchbox and the swallow application for the gnome panel.
[05:19] <poningru> whats a good way to monitor your cpu temp? I want something in the panel or something
[05:19] <windex> k. :)
[05:19] <chibifs> I'm just looking to see if there are other options.
[05:19] <cafuego> poningru: ln-sensors is the *only* way.
[05:19] <windex> poningru, i don't think the kernel modules required to do motherboard sensor polling are actually in the mainstream kernel yet?
[05:20] <cafuego> windex: They have been for ages
[05:20] <windex> oh.
[05:20] <windex> ok. :)
[05:20] <Madpilot> lm-sensors works - with xsensors or ksensors for front-end
[05:20] <poningru> ok
[05:20] <poningru> will that go into the notification area?
[05:20] <Madpilot> poningru: the front-end will.
[05:20] <draft> need to install 2.6.12 kernel on hoary for sound card, what's the best way to do that ?
[05:20] <windex> cafuego, last time i had to use it, was on debian, the debian install package wouldn't work with 2.6, and the 2.6 kernel tree wasn't compatible with new lm-sensors from source.
[05:20] <equex> one more thing (only slightly kde related this time). i have a problem with my dvdrom. it used to work properly (i installed the ubuntu dvd with it too), now suddenly it cant read any DVD roms, though it CAN read normal CD's. It detects that i insert a DVD too, though i get "Malformed URL" from Konquerer if i try to access it. any idea ?
[05:21] <poningru> hehe
[05:21] <poningru> thanks guys
[05:21] <cafuego> windex: [13:11] + windex stabs cafuego for having a cooler machine than he does. <-- what's that all about?
[05:21] <windex> cafuego, you're on amd64 :(
[05:22] <cafuego> windex: That's coz lm-sensors is IN the 2.6 kernel.
[05:22] <poningru> equex: have you tried opening it with another dvd player?
[05:22] <poningru> like vlc or somethin?
[05:22] <cafuego> windex: nothing cooler about amd64
[05:22] <chibifs> For the most part, I'm trying to build something like centericq, but system-wide (for a PDA). Have something going like XFCE vs KDE/GNOME for the PDA Linux market :P
[05:22] <windex> cafuego, tempature wise, no. bragging rights? yes.
[05:22] <chibifs> Everyone uses opie or gpe! :O
[05:22] <skalpel> can someone tell me why i get a small blip coming from the file i want to play before th file actually starts to play in rhythmbox?
[05:22] <equex> poningru: yes it fails no matter what i try. even from console into /media/cdrom0
[05:23] <CarlFK> is there a "how to setup nfs" page somewhere?
[05:23] <poningru> hmm
[05:23] <equex> this is just DVD roms with data files on them
[05:23] <poningru> !nfs
[05:23] <ubotu> No idea, poningru
[05:23] <equex> not movies
[05:23] <poningru> oh
[05:23] <poningru> ic
[05:23] <CarlFK> rats.
[05:23] <iana> hi room
[05:23] <CarlFK> hi iana
[05:24] <raDeon> question
[05:24] <iana> newby here, want to know how to check what services is running in ubuntu>
[05:24] <raDeon> i installed w32codecs
[05:24] <cafuego> windex: Nah
[05:24] <raDeon> but Music Player says no plugin is installed to handle MP3 file
[05:24] <cafuego> windex: Just sensible; it was cheaper than building an intel box or an AthlonXP box.
[05:25] <iana> anyone>
[05:25] <iana> ?
[05:25] <cafuego> CarlFK: Install an NFS server (kernel or user) and configure /etc/exports (man exports)
[05:25] <pestilence> iana: ps aux
[05:25] <skalpel> what does it mean if you get the error 'nautilus could not show //:burner in nautilus when burning a cd?
[05:25] <knowledge_> i'm an idiot
[05:26] <skalpel> or burner://
[05:26] <cafuego> !knowledge is an idiot
[05:26] <ubotu> cafuego: okay
[05:26] <mulhollandj> When I try to run amarok I get an error that it can't initialize the sound driver because a resource is busy. How can I fix it?
[05:26] <iana> pestilence? sorry, iam kinda new to linux or ubuntu
[05:26] <Madpilot> ubotu forget knowledge
[05:26] <ubotu> i forgot knowledge, Madpilot
[05:26] <iana> where i put that command?
[05:26] <pestilence> iana: if you open up a terminal and type "ps aux" (no quotes), you will get a list of everything that is running on your machine
[05:27] <iana> okay, ill try, thanks
[05:27] <cafuego> !lock knowledge
[05:27] <ubotu> locking factoid knowledge, cafuego
[05:27] <skalpel> what does it mean if you get the error 'nautilus could not show burn:// in nautilus when burning a cd?
[05:27] <Madpilot> iana: type "ps aux |less" and it won't be a huge scrolling mess. type "q" to get out of less
[05:27] <windex> cafuego va Madpilot, which ego will win! on the next as the #ubuntu turns...
[05:28] <cafuego> windex: I have root access on the ubotu machine; place your bets now..
[05:28] <Madpilot> windex: cafuego: ha ha. just because cafuego can lock stuff in... ;)
[05:28] <cefx> :D
[05:28] <windex> cafuego, maybe Madpilot has 2-3 spare ds3's and a ping -f command. then who wins! :D
[05:29] <knowledge_> anyone know how to take care of -- Failed to construct test pipeline for 'OSS - Open Sound System'
[05:29] <Madpilot> windex: was that English?
[05:29] <knowledge_> ?
[05:29] <cafuego> windex: I expect that won't make too much difference over people leeching ISos as it is.
[05:29] <windex> Madpilot, nope.
[05:29] <windex> cafuego, right.
[05:29] <iana> pestilence: well, i did what youve said, it reply more then 20 services, well actually i need to know if theres no such a key logger software in this public pc? how to check that? well in windoze, theres msconfig
[05:29] <cafuego> Well, my hosting provider might send his ISP an angry email ;-)
[05:30] <CarlFK> after I stop shorewall, my box doesn't return pings - is this expected?
[05:30] <ReleaseX> my laptop has a combination trackstick/touchpad, it seems to stutter occasionally, anyone have any experience with that?
[05:30] <Madpilot> cafuego: the ISP account isn't in my name or connected to my email address... ;)
[05:30] <windex> ReleaseX, you might need to tweak your mouse sensitivity settings. outside of that, not sure.
[05:31] <windex> ReleaseX, it's under System -> Prefrences -> Mouse -> Motion (Tab)
[05:31] <cefx> Wow, ubuntu install is pretty cool.
[05:31] <Madpilot> cafuego: paranoid!
[05:31] <cefx> i'm installing amd64:)
[05:31] <poningru> ?
[05:31] <poningru> nm
[05:31] <cafuego> Madpilot: Ha!
[05:31] <ReleaseX> windex, yeah i already tried that, i think there must be something else, thanks though
[05:32] <windex> cafuego, i connect to the internet by satellite. thunderstorms == ddos attacks.
[05:32] <cafuego> windex: ouch
[05:32] <cafuego> windex: can you firewall the weather?
[05:32] <raDeon> i installed w32codecs
[05:32] <cefx> I can't believe how much Ubuntu holds your hand. Wow.
[05:32] <raDeon> but Music Player says no plugin is installed to handle MP3 file
[05:32] <raDeon> how do i fix
[05:32] <arbir> is back finally
[05:32] <PurpleMotion> death sucks
[05:32] <knowledge_> anyone know?
[05:33] <cefx> Yea, death does suck.
[05:33] <cefx> I just got back from The Island.
[05:33] <skalpel> what does it mean if you get the error 'nautilus could not show burn:// in nautilus when burning a cd?
[05:33] <windex> cafuego, sure, just gotta built a realllllly big pringles can for my antenna. about 10 miles high. or so. ought to do it.
[05:33] <arbir> after all death is only the beginning
[05:33] <cafuego> windex: neat, a smokestack cantenna
[05:33] <arbir> i just installed Kubuntu... . how can i switch my desktop to kde from gnome ?
[05:33] <PurpleMotion> arbir: doesnt make it any easier to deal with, now does it
[05:34] <cefx> arbir -- there's a file somewhere in your home dir that deals with that
[05:34] <cefx> I'm not familiar with it tho
[05:34] <arbir> PurpleMotion, just kiddin :-) i dont even know in what context you were talking about death ?
[05:34] <windex> cafuego, i'm going to have a heart attack from choloestrol and the people who own stock in duct tape are going to make a fortune, BUT I'LL DO IT.
[05:34] <PurpleMotion> arbir: a good friend of mine hung himself last night
[05:34] <arbir> wukk tge good old switchdesk work ?
[05:34] <arbir> ohoh sorry PurpleMotion
[05:34] <PurpleMotion> yeah, me too
[05:34] <arbir> i take back my words
[05:34] <cafuego> windex: if you have cholesterol issues you'll get gall stones first (they also hurt FAR more)
[05:34] <PurpleMotion> it's okay, you didnt say anything wrong
[05:35] <windex> cafuego, i don't have a gall bladder. got ganked when i was 18 due to genetics (not high cholesterol). :)
[05:35] <cefx> Wow, how much does the base Ubuntu install include?
[05:35] <cafuego> windex: <heh>
[05:35] <PurpleMotion> about two gigs
[05:35] <mebaran> I got X working in breezy
[05:35] <cefx> fuck
[05:35] <mebaran> but I had to change a symlink
[05:35] <mebaran> no errors so far and mkfontdir looks like it works
[05:35] <cefx> My body no longer handles digestion very well.
[05:35] <cefx> :)
[05:36] <PurpleMotion> my roommate also has no gall bladder
[05:36] <arbir> how can i switch my desktop to kde from gnome ? i dnot even see any x related file in my home dir
[05:36] <cafuego> cefx: if that too much, you can do a 'server' install and add stuff like X later.
[05:36] <cefx> :/
[05:36] <Nomad_1> Does anyone know how to boot from a CD even though GRUB is a boot nazi? (I've looked in GRUB's help file and didn't see anything that looked like it could help me.
[05:36] <mebaran> PurpleMotion, what does a gallbladder do anyway
[05:36] <cefx> cafuego: oh no, not too much :) does it have good ntfs-read support?
[05:36] <cafuego> arbir: install KDE, chen choose KDE in the login screen menu.
[05:36] <PurpleMotion> arbir: open a terminal and type: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:36] <mebaran> Nomad_1, you cant use grub to do that
[05:36] <cefx> I've got a 250gb external NTFS drive that i need to read stuff from
[05:36] <cafuego> cefx: Yeah, just normal kenrel ntfs access
[05:36] <mebaran> because you need to have cdrom drivers or bios specific extensions
[05:36] <PurpleMotion> mebaran: ya got me, but i know my roommate is pretty fucked up due to his lack of one
[05:36] <Nomad_1> mebaran: I don't want to. GRUB just kind of takes over
[05:36] <arbir> PurpleMotion, i have installed Kubuntu desktop
[05:36] <arbir> now i want to switch to kde
[05:36] <mebaran> neither which is in grub
[05:37] <Amaranth> mebaran: you had to change a symlink?
[05:37] <mebaran> Nomad_1, you got to do it in the bios
[05:37] <mebaran> Amaranth, yeah
[05:37] <arbir> where is the login screen menu cafuego
[05:37] <jasoncohen> cefx, you just have to add an entry in fstab
[05:37] <PurpleMotion> arbir: open aterminal, and type: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[05:37] <cefx> Cool.
[05:37] <PurpleMotion> arbir: when prompted, select kdm
[05:37] <Amaranth> mebaran: what?
[05:37] <cefx> jasoncohen: Yeah :) thanks.
[05:37] <arbir> ah let me see
[05:37] <windex> mebaran, it holds bile produced in the liver until you eat, at which point the bile helps break down the fat. if you don't have a gall bladder, your liver is constantly producing bile. and it has interesting digestional system results.
[05:37] <mebaran> all I had to do is relink X with /usr/X11R6/bin/Xorg
[05:37] <PurpleMotion> arbir: when you get to the login screen, click session and choose kde
[05:37] <cefx> In slackware I added /dev/sda1 with oumask=022
[05:37] <jasoncohen> cef, first "sudo fdisk -l" to find the partition
[05:37] <Nomad_1> mebaran: I've set the bios to look at the cd-rom drive first but it still skipped the disk and went to GRUB.
[05:37] <mebaran> windex, and to think I took college biology
[05:37] <mebaran> Nomad_1, that means it doesnt think it can boot from the disk
[05:38] <cefx> Yea.
[05:38] <mebaran> or it thinks the boot disk is bad
[05:38] <cefx> Or look in dmesg, jason ;)
[05:38] <jasoncohen> cef, "/dev/sda1 /mnt/windows ntfs defaults 0 0"
[05:38] <mebaran> Amaranth, did I have to do that?
[05:38] <mebaran> change that symlink
[05:38] <mebaran> it seemed sort of hacky
[05:38] <cefx> no
[05:38] <Amaranth> mebaran: what did you change?
[05:38] <Nomad_1> I don't see why it wouldn't. The disk is Debian's net install disk.
[05:38] <cefx> I'm definately -not- doing defaults ;D
[05:38] <arbir> dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[05:38] <arbir> * Reloading K Display Manager configuration... [fail]
[05:38] <arbir> invoke-rc.d: initscript kdm, action "reload" failed.
[05:38] <whitefang> how do i mount my windows partition?
[05:38] <jasoncohen> cefx, ok, then use whatever options you want
[05:38] <cefx> I use oumask=022 or ro
[05:38] <PurpleMotion> hahah
[05:38] <mebaran> I linked /etc/X11/X with /usr/X11R6/bin/Xorg
[05:38] <Zartan> I tried follow instructions of http://qce-ga.sourceforge.net/#Installation . Where can I found V4L module for Ubuntu?
[05:38] <PurpleMotion> holdon, ill get the file you need to manually edit
[05:39] <jasoncohen> cefx, i use "users,umask=022"
[05:39] <arbir> oh :-(
[05:39] <whitefang> errr, my windows partition is ntfs, how can i mount it?
[05:39] <cefx> Hm.
[05:39] <cefx> Interesting.
[05:39] <arbir> arbir will be back after a pee... too much Kilkenney inside him
[05:39] <PurpleMotion> arbir: sudp pico /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[05:39] <jasmuz> whitefang: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29996
[05:39] <PurpleMotion> arbir: change whats in it to kde
[05:39] <cefx> 2.6.10 kernel?
[05:39] <jasmuz> upss
[05:39] <cefx> Interesting.
[05:39] <PurpleMotion> arbir: then reboot, and at the kdm login screen, click session, and choose kde
[05:39] <jasoncohen> cefx, yes- i'm in hoary
[05:39] <jasmuz> whitefang: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[05:39] <cefx> Is the 2.6.10 kernel in the amd64 5.04 disc good or will i have to upgrade it?
[05:39] <levander> Anybody can tell me how to use mkisofs graft points?
[05:39] <jasoncohen> cefx, so, what's the problem?
[05:39] <PurpleMotion> err sudo
[05:39] <cefx> Nothing.
[05:40] <jasoncohen> cefx, what do you mean by "good"? I have had no problems with it
[05:40] <cefx> jasoncohen: I just hope I don't have the same problems in ubuntu X as i did in slackware X.
[05:40] <jasoncohen> cefx, you shouldn't- xorg is pretty good at auto-detecting hardware and ubuntu is known for its excellent hardware support
[05:40] <JoshRA> hey who ever helped me
[05:40] <JoshRA> it worsk
[05:40] <JoshRA> the floppy thing i am installing x and firefox ow
[05:40] <JoshRA> :D:D
[05:41] <PurpleMotion> the floppy thing?
[05:41] <arbir> is back
[05:41] <PurpleMotion> you been sneakin peeks, eh?
[05:41] <Zartan> how can I install v4l for ubuntu?
[05:41] <arbir> PurpleMotion, let6 me check that file
[05:41] <cefx> jasoncohen: In slackware I had problems in the 2.6.12.3 kernel
[05:41] <cefx> while in X my keyboard enter key stopped responding
[05:41] <pudland> hello all
[05:41] <jasmuz> Zartan: downloading via Synaptic the packages for v4l
[05:42] <cefx> It acted as if caps lock was always on when it wasn't
[05:42] <windex> Zartan, i think v4l is in synaptic. if its not in the base packages, try enabling universe and check again?
[05:42] <JoshRA> Davey: thanks you to aru
[05:42] <cefx> and my left mouse button behaved with each click as a right click
[05:42] <arbir> it shows /usr/bin/kdm @ PurpleMotion
[05:42] <Amaranth> cefx: that sounds like an X issues, not a kernel issue
[05:42] <cafuego> Wow. Breezy firefox is spectacularly busted :-)
[05:42] <Amaranth> cafuego: not really
[05:42] <arbir> PurpleMotion, let me reboot now
[05:42] <PurpleMotion> arbir, okay. logout of gnome, and at the login screen, go to session and choose kde
[05:42] <Ohpoo> cafuego, what you mean by busted?
[05:42] <PurpleMotion> no
[05:42] <PurpleMotion> dont reboot
[05:42] <cafuego> Amaranth: Reliably does poo when i try to log in to a site.
[05:42] <jasoncohen> cefx, weird...
[05:42] <PurpleMotion> no need
[05:42] <mebaran> Amaranth, you didnt need to change the sym
[05:42] <mebaran> ?
[05:42] <jasoncohen> cefx, slackware uses 2.6.12?
[05:42] <Zartan> thank you :) jazmuz and windex. Do I modprobe v4l then?
[05:42] <cefx> I upgraded to it, jason
[05:43] <arbir> ok arbir is gone
[05:43] <cefx> Amaranth: So far the AMD64 install is going good :)
[05:43] <cefx> All those pretty packages installing
[05:43] <windex> cafuego, for some reason firefox on hoary dosen't like to print to my printer. it either causes my printer to hardlock while processing the postscript, or does not print within page boundaries. every other piece of software works great. :D
[05:43] <PurpleMotion> Yet another satisfied customer. Thank you, drive through
[05:43] <cefx> Wow, I'm impressed.
[05:43] <cefx> It even sets up the packages
[05:43] <Amaranth> mebaran: nope
[05:44] <cefx> Is there a plugin/codec for viewing .wmv files?
[05:44] <cefx> and christ on a stick, Xine is terrible!
[05:44] <cafuego> windex: firefox has issues with non-latest postscript interpreters. Whoever at FF amde that decision is a damn retard.
[05:44] <jasmuz> Zartan: i think its not necesary...
[05:44] <Amaranth> mebaran: but you probably had an older version of X from breezy installed, daniels said right now it only cleanly upgrades from hoary
[05:44] <auk> !mono
[05:44] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, mono is " http://www.apacheworld.org/modmono/ Repo CLOSED Please see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto or BreakMyUbuntu" hm
[05:44] <jasoncohen> cefx, yes
[05:44] <Amaranth> !restricted
[05:44] <ubotu> restricted is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:44] <Gorth> guys how did ubuntu install and everything
[05:44] <jasoncohen> cefx, you'll want w32codecs from hoary-extras
[05:44] <Amaranth> cefx: read that
[05:44] <windex> cafuego, yep. i'm going to try to tftp upgrade the printer. it's network enabled and doing software upgrades is nontrivial.
[05:44] <Gorth> but not put GCC on there
[05:45] <jasoncohen> !tell cefx about multimedia
[05:45] <cafuego> windex: My print server has no update available.
[05:45] <Amaranth> Gorth: gcc is a security risk
[05:45] <levander> Nobody knows how to use mkisofs graft points?
[05:45] <cafuego> Gorth: gcc is not installed by default; most suers have no need for it.
[05:45] <Zartan> my fast mouse finger :P
[05:45] <windex> Gorth, neither ubuntu nor debian default to having gcc, use aptitude to install the packages 'gcc g++ bison manpages-dev glibc-dev autoconf automake', and you should get enough of a development enviroment to be useful.
[05:46] <cafuego> windex: 'build-essential'
[05:46] <windex> that too.
[05:46] <Gorth> :O
[05:46] <windex> but i didn't know that existed.
[05:46] <windex> so go figure.
[05:46] <jasoncohen> Gorth, just "sudo apt-get install build-essential"
[05:46] <cafuego> s/glibc-dev/libc6-dev/
[05:46] <Amaranth> !info build-essential
[05:46] <ubotu> build-essential: (informational list of build-essential packages), section devel, is optional. Version: 10.1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 48 kB
[05:46] <Amaranth> that's a lame description
[05:46] <windex> does build essential include manpages-dev and glibc-dev?
[05:46] <windex> err, glibc-doc?
[05:46] <jasoncohen> cefx, use totem with totem-xine and w32codecs and you'll have support for nearly every codec.
[05:47] <windex> some of us want manpages for pthread_create, you know.
[05:47] <whitefang> to run a program off a win2k partition that requires you to be able to write to a file in its directory, what do i need to do?
[05:47] <cafuego> !depends build-essential
[05:47] <ubotu> build-essential: depends on libc6-dev | libc-dev, gcc (>= 3:3.3), g++ (>= 3:3.3), make, dpkg-dev (>= 1.4.1.19)
[05:47] <Zartan> jasmuz: Could you repeat your answer. I click mouse and close tab without meanless
[05:47] <jasoncohen> cefx, xine is nice for DVDs but for most other videos you'll probably prefer to use totem
[05:47] <Gorth> thanks guys
[05:47] <cefx> okay, awesome, thanks jason :)
[05:47] <whitefang> lag?
[05:47] <PurpleMotion> jasoncohen: i still cant get mp4 video to work... both these movies play PERFECTLY in windows, and completely HARF in linux.. everything from a segfault to completely locking up the a/v subsystems
[05:47] <windex> cafuego, if that's all it throws in there i consider my answer to be superior :)
[05:48] <cefx> Too bad they don't have a #biohelp chan. I don't feel good. ;(
[05:48] <cafuego> windex: Your answer erros with glibc-dev: no such package
[05:48] <windex> cafuego, i corrected that i think.
[05:48] <mebaran> does the Ubuntu Kernel have fb support
[05:48] <windex> oh, right. not for that line.
[05:48] <windex> i mean glibc-doc.
[05:48] <cafuego> windex: I had already pasted it - ow, there was a hidden rm -rf!
[05:48] <Amaranth> mebaran: i think the ubuntu kernel has every module :P
[05:48] <mebaran> EVERY
[05:48] <windex> for some reason manpages-dev does not actually contain the glibc manpages.
[05:48] <mebaran> SINGLE
[05:48] <PurpleMotion> you guys are nerds.
[05:48] <mebaran> MODULE
[05:49] <windex> PurpleMotion, ITS WHAT WE DO, MAN.
[05:49] <PurpleMotion> heh, right on
[05:49] <cafuego> PurpleMotion: check the hostmask :-P
[05:49] <PurpleMotion> i'm gonna smoke some pot
[05:49] <mebaran> EVEN THE CRAZY CRAPPY ONES THAT I HAVE NEVER SEEN USED EVER
[05:49] <Gorth> man guys
[05:49] <windex> im going to go smoke tobacco. because i hate my lungs. die, lungs, die.
[05:49] <PurpleMotion> hahahahha
[05:49] <Gorth> ubuntu's screwy compared to the other distros
[05:49] <Gorth> no joke
[05:49] <PurpleMotion> nice one cafuego
[05:49] <cafuego> mebaran: Your capslock is on
[05:49] <mebaran> cafeugo
[05:49] <mebaran> whoops
[05:49] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, what's mp4? a google search is showing info on divx/xvid which is supported by w32codecs
[05:49] <mebaran> just noticed
[05:49] <mebaran> sorry fellows
[05:49] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, do you mean mpeg-4?
[05:50] <Zartan> jasmuz: could you tell me how I load v4l-module? I clicked mouse and close tab. I didn't want do it :)
[05:50] <mebaran> jasoncohen, lavc decodes them faster
[05:50] <jasoncohen> which would include divx, xvid and several other formats
[05:50] <mebaran> look for ffmpeg
[05:50] <mebaran> it does the job very well for all those variant
[05:50] <mebaran> s
[05:50] <raDeon> i installed w32codecs
[05:50] <raDeon> but Music Player says no plugin is installed to handle MP3 file
[05:50] <raDeon> what do i do
[05:50] <raDeon> so i can play mp3
[05:50] <jasoncohen> raDeon, "sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad"
[05:50] <raDeon> speak english well i do not
[05:50] <PurpleMotion> jasoncohen: i mean it has the extension .mp4 and it does not play in anything.
[05:50] <raDeon> thank you jasoncohen
[05:51] <PurpleMotion> except windows
[05:51] <PurpleMotion> in fact
[05:51] <sfvt> PurpleMotion: I don't believe totem-gstreamer (the default) supports that codec. But I have placed files with the .mp4 extension via totem-xine
[05:51] <PurpleMotion> in windows, it's a two hour movie that's 265mb and it looks and sounds PERFECT
[05:51] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, mplayer supports mp4...from my quick search on google
[05:52] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, are you using totem-xine with w32codecs installed?
[05:52] <PurpleMotion> jasoncohen: you'd think, roght?
[05:52] <cafuego> tea
[05:52] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, "dpkg -l | grep totem"
[05:52] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, "dpkg -l w32codecs"
[05:52] <sfvt> s/placed/played/
[05:52] <mebaran> can X be made to use the framebuffer device
[05:52] <philip> let's say i wanted to add a repository that had packages i'm used to but apparently are obscure, things like jed and feta. what would be a good one?
[05:52] <PurpleMotion> ah
[05:52] <PurpleMotion> it's gstream
[05:52] <deprave> JAS
[05:52] <PurpleMotion> but
[05:52] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, you need totem-xine
[05:52] <mebaran> what would the driver be
[05:52] <deprave> jasoncohen what does that do?
[05:52] <PurpleMotion> i have xine, and it doesnt play it either
[05:52] <mebaran> that would allow such nonsense
[05:52] <PurpleMotion> yeah lemme install it
[05:52] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, "sudo apt-get install totem-xine w32codecs"
[05:53] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, and you need to add the hoary-extras repository if you haven't already
[05:53] <whitefang> how do i make my win2k partition writable by the adm user group?
[05:53] <PurpleMotion> yeah i got w32codecs, didnt you see me say i recompiled mplayer for all the codecs :D
[05:53] <jasoncohen> !tell PurpleMotion about multimedia
[05:53] <PurpleMotion> i got it dude
[05:53] <PurpleMotion> thanks
[05:53] <jasoncohen> that's mplayer
[05:53] <Madpilot> !tell philip about repos
[05:53] <jasoncohen> you're talking about the xine engine
[05:53] <jasoncohen> it should work in mplayer
[05:53] <lJlolel> !tell myself about multimedia
[05:53] <PurpleMotion> doesnt change the fact that it doesnt
[05:54] <deprave> will sudo apt-get install totem-xine w32codecs help me play certain videos?
[05:54] <jasoncohen> deprave, yes
[05:54] <Madpilot> !tell Madpilot about opera
[05:54] <mebaran> I would like to replace my framebuffer device with nvidiafb
[05:54] <deprave> like my precious porn?
[05:54] <deprave> thanks
[05:54] <mebaran> instead it loads vga16fb
[05:54] <mebaran> what might I do
[05:54] <lJlolel> every time i do sudo, it says my login attempts don't work
[05:54] <lJlolel> i have to su
[05:54] <jasoncohen> deprave, totem-xine and w32codecs will play divx/xvid, windows media video, realplayer etc
[05:54] <deprave> E: Couldn't find package w32codecs
[05:54] <deprave> root@splinter:/etc/tripwire #
[05:54] <nalioth> deprave: w32codecs won't play the newest wmv9 and 10 vids, iirc
[05:54] <PurpleMotion> yeah mplayer plays EVERYTHING - except - these friggen .mp4 files
[05:54] <sfvt> deprave: yes, totem-xine will place you're precious porn ;)
[05:55] <jasoncohen> Jolel: are you using ubuntu? ubuntu has no root account by default
[05:55] <cefx> yah I have precious porn too!
[05:55] <deprave> it didn't find it unfortunately
[05:55] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, do you have an example .mp4 file i can download?
[05:55] <nalioth> PurpleMotion: compile it with libfaad
[05:55] <Madpilot> lJlolel: have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[05:55] <jasoncohen> deprave, you need to add the hoary-extras repository
[05:55] <cefx> Amaranth: Kudos/props to you and the devs. This is turning out to be a good distro.
[05:55] <lJlolel> lol yes i'm using ubuntu
[05:55] <jasoncohen> !tell deprave about multimedia
[05:55] <cefx> Also
[05:55] <cefx> Has anyone used Cedega on X?
[05:55] <PurpleMotion> nalioth: would that be included in apt-get build-dep mplayer-686 ??
[05:55] <jasoncohen> !tell deprave about multimedia repositories
[05:55] <Amaranth> cefx: I just work on smeg. :)
[05:55] <sfvt> jasoncohen: or is it whorey-extras ?
[05:55] <cefx> hehe
[05:55] <jasoncohen> sfvt, lol
[05:56] <cefx> Amaranth: As an ex windows user...it's nice seeing it hold my hand, but also nice knowing I can reformat and do it all by hand with the server install.
[05:56] <nalioth> PurpleMotion: it's been my (personal and in helping others) experience that compiling mplayer is the best route to the most compatibility
[05:56] <deprave> !tell me about playing porn more efficiently
[05:56] <whitefang> hmmm, this was either answered and i missed it, or not answered, so I'll try again. sorry to be a PITA.
[05:56] <jasmuz> deprave: hahaha
[05:56] <whitefang> how do i make my win2k partition writable by the adm user group?
[05:56] <PurpleMotion> nalioth: i compiled it... it still doesnt run tho, heh
[05:56] <philip> Madpilot, perfect, thanks
[05:56] <jasoncohen> deprave, porn usually uses divx/xvid avi's or plain mpegs...you should have excellent support with totem or xine
[05:57] <Madpilot> philip: np
[05:57] <jasoncohen> deprave, you might find xine better for your porn needs as it starts up very quickly and you can have multiple windows open without a performance hit :)
[05:57] <nalioth> PurpleMotion: and i recommend you d/l all the codecs/libs via apt, compile the ones not available in apt, and d/l hte source from mplayerhq and compile it with flags of your choice
[05:57] <PurpleMotion> jasoncohen: well, totem-xine got as close as ive been.. it played the audio for about 30 seconds, displayed no video, and crashed almost immediately after opening
[05:57] <windex> cafuego, it will make you happy to know i am now going to bed as i have stumbled into a bug in my code i do not have the mental capacity, at 11pm, to fix.
[05:57] <raDeon> do i have to install nvidia drivers
[05:57] <raDeon> or is that all set up
[05:57] <jasoncohen> deprave, also has easy to use keyboard shortcuts when you can't get to the mouse
[05:57] <PurpleMotion> nalioth: yeah did all that
[05:57] <deprave> awesome thanks
[05:58] <deprave> you guys are like porn commandos
[05:58] <nalioth> PurpleMotion: then i dont know anything else
[05:58] <deprave> jasoncohen: hahahaha
[05:58] <windex> someone needs to write a better debugger than gdb for dealing with code that uses pthreads.
[05:58] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, ok- do you have w32codecs installed? you compiled mplayer but that doesn't mean that the codecs are there for xine. i recommend you install the w32codecs package but the mp4 format is obviously a difficult one
[05:58] <PurpleMotion> yes, i do.
[05:58] <nalioth> PurpleMotion: you need libfaad for mp4s/aac
[05:58] <Detox> any ideas on a distro for grade school kids?
[05:59] <skalpel> hi
[05:59] <whitefang> Detox, this one.
[05:59] <PurpleMotion> ii libfaad2-0 2.0.0-0.3 freeware Advanced Audio Decoder - runtime fi
[05:59] <PurpleMotion> ii libfaad2-dev 2.0.0-0.3 freeware Advanced Audio Decoder - developmen
[05:59] <PurpleMotion> installed.
[05:59] <sfvt> Detox: edubuntu?
[05:59] <Detox> where do i faind it?
[05:59] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, gstreamer0.8-faad - GStreamer faad plugins
[05:59] <poningru> hmm installed lm-sensors from repo
[05:59] <whitefang> Detox, i just installed it for the first time. it was the easiest install of any OS i've ever done.
[05:59] <nalioth> PurpleMotion: you also need gstreamer-libfaad (or whatever it's called)
[05:59] <poningru> any one know how to configure it?
[05:59] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, is that installed?
[05:59] <sproingie> Detox: edubuntu.org
[05:59] <PurpleMotion> nope
[06:00] <windex> omg. someone _does_ write something better than gdb for debugging threads. smartgdb
[06:00] <rockholico> helo there!
[06:00] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, sudo apt-get install totem-gstreamer gstreamer0.8-faad
[06:00] <sproingie> Detox: it's not out yet
[06:00] <raDeon> why, on linux, is there always a significant "buzzing" distortion in my music at high volumes
[06:00] <PurpleMotion> man i just installed totem-xine :D
[06:00] <PurpleMotion> you guys got me in circles
[06:00] <nox> PurpleMotion, what seems to be the problem?
[06:01] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, sorry man- i hadn't used mp4...i'm searching google as we speak to try to help you
[06:01] <PurpleMotion> nox, video codecs are a pain in the ass, thats all
[06:01] <PurpleMotion> jasoncohen: i appreciate it :)
[06:01] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, also try "sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
[06:01] <nox> PurpleMotion, what is the problem with the codecs?
[06:01] <nalioth> PurpleMotion: changing from totem-xine to totem-gstreamer aint but a thang
[06:01] <nox> jasoncohen, it will not work.
[06:01] <PurpleMotion> i know i know
[06:01] <nalioth> PurpleMotion: install ALL gstreamer plugins
[06:02] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins will give you most
[06:02] <jasoncohen> you can go into synaptic and just install all of 'em
[06:02] <whitefang> noone knows how i can make my ntfs partition writable by the adm user group?
[06:02] <deprave> i am running out of space on my mighty 6gig quantum fireball, i have another 10 gig somewhere i want to throw on here that curently has windows 2000 on it ntfs etc, i don't mind wiping it, aside from throwing it on here and jumper settings and stuff what should i expect the boot loader to do, will it see it, and how do i formate the drive and what do i mount it as or is there software to help with it
[06:02] <nox> PurpleMotion, what are you trying to run? mp4 files?
[06:02] <nalioth> whitefang: writing to NTFS can lead to a loss of the NTFS partition
[06:02] <sfvt> whitefang: does ubuntu even support writing to NTFS?
[06:02] <PurpleMotion> wow, gstreamer is pretty fuckin powerful, eh
[06:02] <PurpleMotion> nox: yeah..
[06:03] <nox> PurpleMotion, you tried with mplayer?
[06:03] <whitefang> nalioth, ok, so i should copy my game directory to my linux parition, and run it from there?
[06:03] <jasmuz> sfvt: not really
[06:03] <PurpleMotion> oh god here we go
[06:03] <nalioth> whitefang: or use Partition Magic to convert your NTFS to fat32
[06:03] <jasoncohen> deprave, you can use a gui partition tool like gparted to do all that
[06:03] <Detox> thanks for the info,,, I will watch for a DL
[06:03] <jlynchs> holas
[06:03] <whitefang> nalioth, i don't want to buy partition magic.
[06:03] <nox> PurpleMotion, you don`t want me to help you? i am going to fix your problem
[06:03] <whitefang> wine can't run a windows program off of ext3?
[06:03] <PurpleMotion> yeah, i even recompiled mplayer with every codec youc an think of installed :) I also optimized it for my cpu, and told it to use a more current gtk toolkit but we wont go there
[06:04] <jasoncohen> deprave, sudo apt-get install gparted. then sudo gparted, format the disk, make an ext3 partition and add it to /etc/fstab
[06:04] <Zartan> I have Logitech QuickCam Express. I have compiled module and done sudo insmod ./quickcam.ko. now i have modules usbcore 107384 4 quickcam,usbhid,uhci_hcd videodev 9728 1 quickcam quickcam 69156 0. how i get camera running now?
[06:04] <PurpleMotion> nah, im just sayin been there, done that, heh
[06:04] <deprave> jasoncohen : fan freakin tastic my good man (or good women with a terrible name for a female)
[06:04] <nox> PurpleMotion, ok, please wait 1 minuet
[06:04] <PurpleMotion> heh, sure
[06:04] <jasoncohen> deprave, man :)
[06:04] <jasoncohen> nox, so, what do you need to get mp4 support. i'll add it to the multimedia wiki
[06:05] <sfvt> whitefang, I think wine can run programs on an ext3 fs
[06:05] <PurpleMotion> Totem could not play 'file:///home/media/movies/Batman.Begins.TS.SVCD.mp4'.
[06:05] <nalioth> jasoncohen: libfaad, gstreamer-<faad>
[06:05] <Zartan> so must I restart computer to get camera running
[06:05] <lJlolel> !tell myself about sudo
[06:05] <PurpleMotion> says could not open file for writing , wtf ever that means
[06:05] <jtgameover> i'm currently using openbox, and i'd like a way to live without a task panel, just a "system tray"
[06:05] <whitefang> sfvt, ok, thanks.
[06:05] <sk545> is there a special command to install from the -staging repo?
[06:05] <jtgameover> does anyone know of any program that can do this?
[06:05] <nox> PurpleMotion, you tried "mpeg4ip"?
[06:05] <jasoncohen> Zartan, start gnomemeeting from Internet > gnomemeeting and test it out
[06:05] <ReleaseX> is there a program that allows you to easily change your workgroup under windows without editing a text file
[06:06] <PurpleMotion> whats that?
[06:06] <jasoncohen> Zartan, my logitech quickcam 3000 pro was automatically supported in ubuntu
[06:06] <nox> http://mpeg4ip.sourceforge.net/
[06:06] <Zartan> jasoncohen: I try :)
[06:06] <lJlolel> you dont like the network setup wizard?
[06:06] <sfvt> whitefang: also, regarding your other question... look at the ntfs mount options in the mount(8) man page... esp the gid= and umask= options
[06:06] <jasoncohen> ReleaseX, yeah, control center > system ...somewhere in there is workgroup which you can change
[06:06] <PurpleMotion> could not open resource for writing
[06:06] <nox> PurpleMotion, enter: http://mpeg4ip.sourceforge.net/
[06:06] <whitefang> ok, but i don't want to ruin the partition, so it's probably better not to do that right?
[06:07] <jasoncohen> nox, what other codecs does mpeg4ip support?
[06:07] <sfvt> whitefang, yeah.
[06:08] <PurpleMotion> nox: i dont suppose i'd be so fortunate as to there being a package for this?
[06:08] <PurpleMotion> okay, now EVERYTHING i try to open in totem results in "resource not available for writing"
[06:08] <nox> jasoncohen, i don`t know, read in the link i gave here
[06:09] <nox> PurpleMotion, totem is weak. don`t use it. i don`t know if there is a package for mpeg4ip, ill be searching for it in 2 minutes
[06:09] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, looks like you'll need to compile from source. You'll need build dependencies- "sudo apt-get install libtool autoconf automake1.4"
[06:10] <skalpel> can someone tell me what this means?
[06:10] <skalpel> [Fatal Error] :1:136: The element type "videos" must be terminated by the matching end-tag "</videos>".
[06:10] <skalpel> cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc gracetime=2 speed=4 -v -eject -multi /tmp/GnomeBaker/jon/gnomebaker_create_data_cd.iso (null)
[06:10] <skalpel> ** Message: MessageDialog message [Please insert the CD into the CD writer]
[06:10] <jasoncohen> nox, does ffmpeg support mp4?
[06:10] <PurpleMotion> jasoncohen: wtf? it worked before you had me install all this gstreamer stuff (at least for non-mp4 files)... now you're telling me i need to recompile??
[06:10] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, no, no
[06:10] <skalpel> i am trying to burn mp3 files in gnomebaker and that is the error i get
[06:10] <nox> jasoncohen, i don`t think so - i have this package installed and i can`t play those open source episodes from legaltorrents.com
[06:10] <Zartan> jasoncohen: device not found :( Something I must do- Maybe insert some script in rc.local?
[06:11] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, only if you want mpeg4ip working. i don't know why totem has gone haywire. i've had weirdness with totem but it fixes itself either by restarting gnome or by restarting the system
[06:11] <levander> I've got some file, /etc/printcap, on my system. It's a link to /var/run/cups/printcap. However, that second file doesn't exist on my system. What's that about? Something to worry about?
[06:11] <jasoncohen> Zartan, is it connected?
[06:11] <PurpleMotion> GRR
[06:11] <jasoncohen> Zartan, usb camera right?
[06:11] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: nothing supports mp4
[06:11] <PurpleMotion> and i dont run gnome
[06:11] <skalpel> why wont nautilus show bunr://
[06:11] <deprave> (totem:13250): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[06:11] <deprave> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[06:11] <skalpel> ?
[06:11] <levander> I just checked, I don't have cups installed.
[06:11] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, then KDE
[06:11] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: mp4 is encrypted with Apple's FairPlay DRM
[06:11] <deprave> =/
[06:11] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, look- i'm trying to help, i'm sorry
[06:11] <deprave> it doesn't like me
[06:11] <PurpleMotion> i know
[06:11] <PurpleMotion> its just frustrating
[06:12] <deprave> kick it
[06:12] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, if you're having problems with totem, first try restarting KDE
[06:12] <deprave> kicking computers makes them work
[06:12] <jasoncohen> PurpleMotion, if that doesn't work, restart your box. It's a bad solution, but it works, heh
[06:12] <Zartan> jasoncohen: yes. it's connected in usb-port.
[06:12] <PurpleMotion> yeah lemme try that
[06:12] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, you mean- nothing that's packaged by ubuntu or nothing available anywhere
[06:12] <jasoncohen> that you know of
[06:12] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: you'll need to strip the DRM from the files, which is illegal
[06:12] <Amaranth> so i won't discuss it here
[06:12] <deprave> E: Couldn't find package w32codecs
[06:13] <deprave> =/
[06:13] <jasoncohen> heh, so it's not so impossible- just illegal :)
[06:13] <jasoncohen> deprave, you need hoary-extras
[06:13] <jasoncohen> !tell deprave about multimedia repositories
[06:13] <nox> deprave, it called win32codecs, not w32
[06:13] <deprave> what did you call me?
[06:13] <whitefang> is there any software to adjust my screens color settings?
[06:13] <jasoncohen> nox, no- it's called w32codecs
[06:13] <whitefang> the hardware controls arn't good enough.
[06:13] <nox> jasoncohen, sorry, you right.
[06:13] <nox> http://mpeg4ip.sourceforge.net/
[06:13] <deprave> extras?
[06:13] <nox> oops
[06:14] <nox> ofer@tuxido:~$ apt-cache search w32codecs
[06:14] <nox> w32codecs - win32 binary codecs
[06:14] <jasoncohen> deprave, you need to either replace or edit your sources.list and then update the apt cahce. follow the instructions i gave you
[06:14] <lJlolel> haha, my Joe account keeps getting emails about Joe trying to break into sudo
[06:14] <DekaPink> Yargh...
[06:14] <jtgameover> does anyone know of a program that would make everything go to a "system tray" of sorts, instead of a panel?
[06:14] <jasoncohen> Jolel: you didn't allow your user administrative access
[06:14] <jasoncohen> Jolel: su -c users-admin
[06:14] <nox> deprave, here you can find a very good sources.list file -> http://whatsup.org.il/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=19050&highlight=mp4
[06:15] <nox> deprave, im talking about the longest one, painted in green
[06:15] <jasoncohen> then choose your user and give it administrative privileges
[06:15] <lJlolel> i'm already there
[06:15] <jasoncohen> lJlolel, go to user privileges and enable "executing system administration tasks"
[06:15] <lJlolel> hm
[06:15] <lJlolel> theres no such option
[06:16] <Zartan> jasoncohen: So my maybe must buy some other camera :)
[06:16] <wardbones> Hi, I've got sound-juicer all set up but it won't show one of my encoders. Anybody willing to help?
[06:16] <lJlolel> and no similar option
[06:16] <jasoncohen> nox, no! that's a very bad sources.list file
[06:16] <jasoncohen> deprave, don't use that link! marillat can seriously fuck up your system
[06:16] <jasoncohen> it's meant for debian- not ubuntu
[06:16] <Amaranth> nox: NONONONONONONONO
[06:17] <jasoncohen> nox, marillat is an unofficial source for debian and it's quite a good source if you are running debian but it will cause no end of troubles on ubuntu! use ubuntu backports & extras instead
[06:17] <jasoncohen> lJlolel, are you using hoary or warty?
[06:17] <cefx> brb
[06:17] <lJlolel> hoary
[06:17] <cefx> Hm.
[06:17] <f_newton> nox good advice
[06:17] <lJlolel> this is weird, no?
[06:17] <jasoncohen> lJlolel, well, hoary should have that option in users-admin
[06:18] <lJlolel> hm, well i guess i can live without sudo
[06:18] <cefx> Why do people complain about Gnome, Amaranth? The natural build that comes with 5.04 looks pretty sweet to me.
[06:18] <jasoncohen> lJlolel, did you choose your user and select properties?
[06:18] <f_newton> most distros that have their own updating tools tend to use file extensions designed to make their updating process uniform...
[06:18] <lJlolel> choose user and select properties?
[06:18] <deprave> i just used the sources list on that ubuntu page you just gave me jasoncohen
[06:18] <Phuzion> Hey, are there PHP development tools in Ubuntu?
[06:18] <Amaranth> cefx: *shrug*
[06:18] <cafuego> Phuzion: vim
[06:18] <nalioth> cefx: cuz gnome use to be sour
[06:18] <Amaranth> cefx: I guess they don't like brown
[06:18] <jasoncohen> lJlolel, select the user you want, click the properties button, then the User Privileges tab and then enabled "executing system administrative tasks"
[06:18] <cefx> Heh!
[06:19] <cefx> It -does- use a lot of RAM, it looks like.
[06:19] <cefx> 200megs of ram?
[06:19] <lJlolel> lol i told you theres no such item
[06:19] <jasoncohen> deprave, ok- good
[06:19] <cefx> That's like Windows.
[06:19] <poningru> anyone know how to get xsensors working?
[06:19] <nox> Phuzion, i like "screem"
[06:19] <lJlolel> hm, can i just edit it directly? (visudo) in hoary?
[06:19] <jasoncohen> deprave, did you follow all instructions? - thorough "sudo apt-get update"
[06:19] <poningru> for some reason it opens but just has an empty window
[06:19] <poningru> do I have to configure my lm-sensor?
[06:19] <cyphase> shit
[06:19] <jasoncohen> lJlolel, su -c users-admin
[06:19] <poningru> any doc pointers would be great
[06:20] <Phuzion> nox, does that have the kind of stuff that dreamweaver has, like all of the different tags, and variables in drop down menus as you're coding?
[06:20] <cyphase> this is the second time i've had DNS problems
[06:20] <deprave> yes
[06:20] <jasoncohen> lJlolel, do you see a "preferences" button?
[06:20] <deprave> im doing the update now =>
[06:20] <deprave> =D even
[06:20] <lJlolel> jasoncohen, no it's called properties
[06:20] <jasoncohen> lJlolel, you can use visudo but this is easier and there is no reason it shouldn't work if you're on hoary
[06:20] <cefx> Would mount -oumask=022 -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /fatty work? for my NTFS drive.
[06:20] <lJlolel> and it doesn't have that option
[06:20] <nox> Phuzion, i have never used dreamweaver, So i don`t know what are you talking about. Try it.. it is realy comfortable.
[06:20] <cefx> Or is the command different for oumask in ubuntu?
[06:20] <Phuzion> Alright, thanks man
[06:21] <jasoncohen> lJlolel, Ok, well select the user you want and click Properties
[06:21] <Amaranth> cefx: ntfs is read-onlu
[06:21] <Amaranth> err, read-only
[06:21] <drcode> hi all
[06:21] <Phuzion> I'm installing the OS on my extra HD right now, so I'll check it out.
[06:21] <lJlolel> jasoncohen, yesi know, click that, user priveleges
[06:21] <cefx> Amaranth: I know. That's why it's 022.
[06:21] <drcode> any idea of fax/voice software?
[06:21] <lJlolel> and of all the options, none say giving executive privileges
[06:21] <lJlolel> or anything similar
[06:21] <benplaut> Amaranth: how's Smeg going? :)
[06:21] <drcode> I Want to get fax and voice call
[06:21] <lJlolel> i'm just editiing the text
[06:21] <cefx> Is there a better mask for read only for all users?
[06:21] <drcode> in ubunutu
[06:21] <cefx> one sec please :)
[06:21] <jasoncohen> lJlolel, and you're telling me in user privileges you don't see "executing system administration tasks" as the 6th option?
[06:21] <nox> cefx - you mean 0222, not 022
[06:21] <PurpleMotion> giving mpeg4ip a shot
[06:21] <PurpleMotion> and i fixed totem
[06:21] <lJlolel> jasoncohen, that's right
[06:22] <jasoncohen> ok, one second
[06:22] <deprave> my cat's breath smells like catfood
[06:22] <benplaut> that's nice to know
[06:22] <PurpleMotion> i needed to run gstreamer-properties and set to alsa.. odd that totem doesnt give you a link to gstreamer's properties
[06:22] <jasoncohen> !tell jason about sudo
[06:22] <f_newton> my dog's breat smells like cat butt... gotta git rid of that litter box
[06:22] <nox> PurpleMotion, i told you, totem is WEAK
[06:22] <skalpel> what does it mean when gnomebaker quits halfway through a write and asks me to insert a disc?
[06:23] <poningru> skalpel: most likely that the cd is messed up
[06:23] <nox> skalpel, probably means you have to use k3b :]
[06:23] <jasoncohen> lJlolel, https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RootSudo
[06:23] <poningru> try another cd
[06:23] <poningru> and what nox said
[06:23] <lJlolel> jasoncohen, enable access to external storage is my sixth option
[06:23] <jasoncohen> lJlolel, are you absolutely sure you're using hoary?
[06:23] <benplaut> f_newton: weird...
[06:23] <jasoncohen> lJlolel, gedit /etc/apt/sources.list. do the entries say warty or hoary?
[06:23] <f_newton> k3b is what almost everyone who knows and wants to use gui uses
[06:23] <f_newton> whats weird benplaut ?
[06:23] <lJlolel> ya, all hoary
[06:24] <jasoncohen> lJlolel, if you're in warty, "In Warty, adding a new user involves editing the /etc/sudoers file. To edit that file, you must use 'visudo' as it will error check the file before exiting. To add a user with the same administration rights as the first user, add the following lines to the file: '$newuser ALL=(ALL) ALL'. Replace the $newuser with the username."
[06:24] <whitefang> anyone know why a game would run so slow under wine its unplayable?
[06:24] <benplaut> or gnome-baker, if you are a die-hard KDE hater
[06:24] <benplaut> your dog is weird :P
[06:24] <lJlolel> jasoncohen, yea i did that
[06:24] <lJlolel> jasoncohen, it didnt work :(
[06:24] <Zartan> I try reboot
[06:24] <f_newton> not enough resources whitefang
[06:24] <nox> whitefang, thats because you have ati card :) am i right?
[06:24] <lJlolel> jasoncohen, when i was installing, my installation didn't find any security files
[06:24] <f_newton> benplaut, every dog ive ever had eats the cat crap
[06:24] <whitefang> no, geforce card
[06:24] <lJlolel> jasoncohen, could that be why?
[06:24] <f_newton> doesnt want the cat to think its home
[06:24] <whitefang> i remember a friend had the same problem, and it was some setting he had to change.
[06:24] <nox> whitefang, have you installed nvidia-glx ?
[06:25] <jasoncohen> lJlolel, well, something is definitely wrong then
[06:25] <whitefang> nox, no.
[06:25] <whitefang> unless its installed by default.
[06:25] <nox> whitefang, so do it now: "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx"
[06:25] <lJlolel> jasoncohen, yea, really weird
[06:25] <whitefang> nox, do i have to do anything else?
[06:26] <nox> whitefang, nope. just reset after you install it, and check the game if it still slow
[06:26] <nox> whitefang, thats probably the problem. drivers.
[06:26] <whitefang> nox, ok, now it won't run at all
[06:26] <whitefang> it just crashes when i try and start it.
[06:26] <nox> whitefang, you installed nvidia-glx and did a reboot?
[06:27] <whitefang> wtf
[06:27] <whitefang> this is linux, i have to reboot?
[06:27] <whitefang> jk
[06:27] <nox> whitefang, we are talking about drivers..
[06:27] <wardbones> is there a .conf file I can mv to reset sound-juicer to pre-run?
[06:27] <whitefang> ok, i'll reboot.
[06:27] <whitefang> brb
[06:27] <nox> whitefang, cya
[06:28] <cefx> ok...
[06:28] <deprave> updates are fun!
[06:28] <deprave> =D
[06:28] <cefx> How the fuck do I get root privs in ubuntu?
[06:28] <cefx> :|
[06:28] <cefx> there's no root account
[06:28] <nox> sudo <command>
[06:29] <benplaut> use your own password
[06:29] <nox> cefx, there is a root account, you just have to change its password. "sudo passwd root" will do what you want.
[06:29] <jasoncohen> cefx, sudo command or sudo -i for a root shell
[06:29] <PurpleMotion> this thing looks like it's gonna take a while to compile
[06:29] <cefx> neat!
[06:29] <cefx> thanks.
[06:29] <benplaut> and, if you want a root terminal, sudo su
[06:29] <whitefang> wow, nice and fast reboot.
[06:29] <benplaut> it didn't even say you left?!
[06:30] <PurpleMotion> * esac ([email protected]) has joined #ubuntu
[06:30] <PurpleMotion> wtf
[06:30] <cafuego> cefx: Step one is to realise you don't need a root account.
[06:30] <nox> whitefang, it works?
[06:30] <jtgameover> does anyone here use openbox?
[06:30] <cefx> cafuego, step two is to realize i need the permissions :)
[06:30] <esac> when I do a "top" in ubuntu , under CPU time, there is "wa" .. anybody know what this is, i cant find it documented
[06:30] <cafuego> cefx: So use 'sudo'
[06:30] <whitefang> now i get another error...
[06:30] <esac> PurpleMotion: ?
[06:30] <craks> any one use ppc ubuntu here?
[06:30] <craks> i have a problem about nptl in glibc
[06:30] <PurpleMotion> esac: how is your hostmask esac.user?
[06:30] <nox> whitefang, what is the error?
[06:30] <esac> PurpleMotion : because i have a user mask
[06:30] <whitefang> unable to initialize 3d output, please verify that you have installed driectx 8 and an updated video driver.
[06:30] <_frank> esac: I think its some waiting the cpu is doing for io to happen
[06:31] <PurpleMotion> esac: how does one acquire such a thing?
[06:31] <whitefang> before i installed those drivers you mentioned it was actually loading the game.
[06:31] <nalioth_zZz> craks: ask your question
[06:31] <whitefang> it just ran really slowly.
[06:31] <esac> _frank, thanks that would make sense then :)
[06:31] <nox> whitefang, wine is NOT for games. what game are you trying to load? you tried to run it with "dx9wine bla.exe" ?
[06:31] <whitefang> nox, my friend runs guild wars under ubuntu.
[06:31] <whitefang> and no, i didn't use dx9wine
[06:32] <nox> whitefang, thats because he is using cedega
[06:32] <esac> PurpleMotion : the best way is to donate, you can sometimes get one by just asking for one, but you probably have to catch them in the right mood :)
[06:32] <whitefang> ok.
[06:32] <nox> whitefang, so try dx9wine.
[06:32] <PurpleMotion> heh
[06:32] <whitefang> is dx9wine cedega?
[06:32] <nox> no
[06:32] <whitefang> or should i apt-get install cedega?
[06:32] <craks> i have run the command getconf GNU_LIBPTHREAD_VERSION
[06:32] <craks> but the result is linuxthreas-0.10
[06:32] <craks> not nptl 0.6*
[06:32] <craks> why this happens in ubuntu
[06:32] <twysted> hell im using ubuntu 5.04 and i cannot resolve domains, i have checked my nameservers and gateways, i am able to ping ips but not domains, and oddly i can still get updates/upgrades through apt and aptitude, any ideas?
[06:32] <nox> whitefang, you can`t. cedega costs money.
[06:32] <twysted> ^hello
[06:32] <whitefang> oh.
[06:32] <craks> nptl is more faster and better than linuxthreads
[06:32] <f_newton> true craks
[06:33] <whitefang> nox, i don't have dx9wine
[06:33] <_frank> whitefang: you can get cedega from cvs for free and legally
[06:33] <benplaut> twysted: does ping www.google.com work?
[06:33] <cafuego> a cedega with stuff ripped out
[06:33] <_frank> cafuego: really? lika what?
[06:33] <cefx> dmesg error says BIOS error no PSB
[06:33] <twysted> benplaut: no, "unknown host"
[06:33] <esac> PurpleMotion: http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#behaviorandcloaks
[06:33] <cefx> and uh
[06:33] <benplaut> hmm
[06:33] <nox> whitefang, try this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29996
[06:33] <whitefang> nox, how do i get dx9wine?
[06:33] <cefx> where the hell is my external hdd listed?
[06:33] <benplaut> !nameserver
[06:33] <ubotu> benplaut: I don't know
[06:33] <cyphase> twysted, i'm having the same problem
[06:33] <benplaut> arg
[06:34] <twysted> cyphase, im glad im not the only one
[06:34] <skalpel> nox: can i install k3b from package manager?
[06:34] <nox> whitefang, again, what game are you trying to run?
[06:34] <whitefang> nox, guild wars.
[06:34] <twysted> and a side note, i have tried reinstalling from my own burnt cd and an offical pressed cd
[06:34] <nox> skalpel, sure, if you have universe sources. try this: sudo apt-get install k3b
[06:34] <skalpel> k, got it
[06:34] <cyphase> i don't know why firefox doesn't save IP addresses of domains..
[06:34] <craks> i mean why not use nptl but linuxthreads, any one knows?
[06:34] <craks> there is a problem using nptl under ppc linux?
[06:34] <cyphase> just in case DNS goes down, you can at least go to sites that you've been to
[06:35] <twysted> cyphase because the base system should cache dns :)
[06:35] <cefx> Where in dmesg would a USB 2.0 external hdd be found?
[06:35] <twysted> not firefox
[06:35] <cefx> I can't find what the device is called in /dev
[06:35] <cyphase> twysted, yes, well, that too
[06:35] <cefx> whitefang, using cedega?
[06:35] <nox> whitefang, what type of a game is guild wars? rpg?
[06:35] <cyphase> twysted, but it wouldn't be to gard for firefox to implement it until the base system does
[06:35] <asda> mount /dev/fd0
[06:35] <cefx> nox: mmorpg, no monthly fees
[06:35] <asda> mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified
[06:35] <asda> can help me sir
[06:35] <cyphase> hard*
[06:35] <cefx> like diablo
[06:35] <cefx> asda: is it an NTFS drive?
[06:36] <twysted> cyphase yes but thats something a browser shouldnt have to do, it could cause problems as well
[06:36] <whitefang> nox, its like a super-diablo
[06:36] <_frank> cyphase: yeah, how often does dns go down?
[06:36] <nox> whitefang, sorry, running guild wars with wine is not possible at this time. if you want to play it you will have to buy cedega.
[06:36] <skalpel> ugh, im not using k3b, it's made for kde, i use gnome.
[06:37] <poningru> um why isnt smeg in apt?
[06:37] <nox> whitefang, www.transgaming.com
[06:37] <poningru> err repos
[06:37] <cyphase> _frank, how many people really use RSS?
[06:37] <nox> skalpel, k3b works great in gnome.
[06:37] <PurpleMotion> you could have a MMOFPS
[06:37] <poningru> !smeg
[06:37] <ubotu> rumour has it, smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[06:37] <Amaranth> poningru: it's in backports and breezy
[06:37] <cyphase> yet firefox has an RSS reader
[06:37] <lJlolel> !tell myself about java
[06:37] <whitefang> nox, but it ran in wine, just really slowly before i installed those drivers.
[06:37] <PurpleMotion> or a MMOBG
[06:37] <skalpel> nox: it is hideous.
[06:37] <lJlolel> hmm, no java bot?
[06:37] <PurpleMotion> or even a MMOCG
[06:37] <cefx> whitefang: you can warez cedega :)
[06:37] <PurpleMotion> you cant tie MMO to RPG :D
[06:37] <lJlolel> nevermind
[06:37] <cefx> Why not, PurpleMotion :
[06:37] <benplaut> Amaranth: how's your work on it going?
[06:37] <cefx> It's semantics.
[06:37] <whitefang> cefx, i'd rather not.
[06:38] <asda> !ping me
[06:38] <ubotu> asda: I don't know, could you explain it?
[06:38] <PurpleMotion> cefx, i just illustrated that
[06:38] <_frank> Amaranth:
[06:38] <benplaut> (it's jut a bot)
[06:38] <lJlolel> is backports just an apt away?
[06:38] <Amaranth> benplaut: http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg-devel/loading_everything.png
[06:38] <PurpleMotion> ill be back, need to hit the store real quick
[06:38] <Amaranth> !backports
[06:38] <ubotu> backports is, like, .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[06:38] <sproingie> GW is slightly less "massive" than others. lots of players, but you don't really compete for areas, it's all privately instanced per party
[06:38] <_frank> Amaranth: will Gnome put a menu editor in Gnome's next release?
[06:38] <sproingie> much like diablo in that sense
[06:38] <Amaranth> _frank: is has an editor that does nothing but show and hide entries
[06:39] <bur[n] er> _frank: www.slashdot.org read about it ;)
[06:39] <benplaut> _frank: yup, but it pales to smeg
[06:39] <_frank> Amaranth: maybe they would be interested in the work you've done ;-)
[06:39] <benplaut> Amaranth: darn... i just drooled on my keyboard :(
[06:39] <benplaut> whn'll it be ready for release?
[06:40] <bur[n] er> i think gnome 2.12 is beta1, so feature freeze is on, correct?
[06:40] <_frank> bur[n] er: if I remember correctly they change standard for menu information storage but a menu editor is pretty (absolutely) necessary. It's not much of an excuse
[06:40] <necrogami> Here's my problem: i installed Mozilla-Firefox w/ Apt-get and installed Java via the executable bin file on java.com i want to link Mozilla to the java what symlink do i need to put in ???
[06:40] <whitefang> how do i remove a pakage? is it apt-get uninstall wine?
[06:40] <Amaranth> _frank: did i mention smeg is in GNOME CVS now?
[06:40] <benplaut> oohhh
[06:41] <benplaut> nice!
[06:41] <maxy_noob> Hi guys!
[06:41] <Amaranth> doesn't mean much though
[06:41] <bur[n] er> necrogami: check wiki, faq, and ubuntuguide.org
[06:41] <nox> whitefang, you do it with: sudo apt-get remove <PKG>
[06:41] <twysted> necrogami: when you install java from the bin file you need to tell it to install to the firefox plugin dir
[06:41] <_frank> Amaranth: nice
[06:41] <necrogami> whitefang: apt-get remove <pkg>
[06:41] <maxy_noob> I installed RealPlayer 10 for Linux. But when I try to run it nothing happens
[06:41] <poningru> anyone know if the hoary-extras is not official yet?
[06:41] <twysted> maxy_noob: check realplayer's website for support on that
[06:42] <necrogami> twysted: whats the commandline for the firefox plugin?
[06:42] <benplaut> legally, i don't thik it can be official
[06:42] <Amaranth> http://dev.realistanew.com/compare.png
[06:42] <_frank> poningru: with w32codecs inside, could hoary-extras even be official?
[06:42] <maxy_noob> but I followed their instructions.
[06:42] <Amaranth> poningru: hoary-extras will never be official
[06:42] <twysted> necrogami its when you install the java not something u do in firefox
[06:42] <esac> ok i swear ive googled. how do i setup samba so that my windows machines can simply "net use" to them like normal .. id actually prefer just an open share, no authentication required if possible
[06:42] <necrogami> i know
[06:42] <poningru> ic
[06:42] <poningru> k thanks guys
[06:42] <cyphase> can someone give me a DNS server IP?
[06:42] <Amaranth> poningru: it's so illegal it could probably get you sued by the entire software industry
[06:42] <skalpel> has anyone else had any trouble using msn in linux?
[06:42] <asda> mount /dev/fd0
[06:43] <asda> mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified
[06:43] <poningru> right ic
[06:43] <necrogami> ./j2re-1.5.0_04.i586.bin -??????
[06:43] <asda> anyone wanna help me
[06:43] <poningru> does it conflict with hoary-backports?
[06:43] <twysted> asda is it a ntfs drive
[06:43] <poningru> could adding both cause problems?
[06:43] <esac> asda mount -t vfat /dev/fdo /mnt/floppy
[06:43] <Amaranth> poningru: no, hoary-backports is a seperate project
[06:43] <benplaut> Amaranth: hmm... do those arrows on the side in .8 mean that we'll be able to re-order entries?
[06:43] <skalpel> what does it mean when gnomebaker quits halfway through a write and asks me to insert a disc?
[06:43] <Amaranth> benplaut: you can in 0.7
[06:43] <_frank> poningru: no problems using both!
[06:43] <Amaranth> benplaut: if you're on KDE or GNOME 2.11
[06:44] <benplaut> aaahhh
[06:44] <benplaut> 2.10 doesn't impliment it
[06:44] <Amaranth> benplaut: right
[06:44] <poningru> hmm ok thanks guys
[06:44] <benplaut> that's a good reason to switch to breezy
[06:44] <benplaut> (j/k before you jump on me)
[06:44] <Amaranth> benplaut: 0.7.5 is the last version i'm keeping the 2.10 support in for, it probably added 200 lines of code i don't want to maintain anymore
[06:45] <benplaut> hmm
[06:45] <twysted> cyphase> 209.210.176.8
[06:46] <PurpleMotion> still compiling, heh
[06:46] <sproingie> what the heck. ghci segfaults out of the box
[06:46] <cyphase> thanx twysted
[06:46] <twysted> welcome
[06:47] <PurpleMotion> mplayer segfaults when i try to play dvds, heh
[06:47] <PurpleMotion> but kaffeine plays them fine
[06:47] <PurpleMotion> go finger
[06:47] <twysted> probibly a bad setting in mplayer
[06:48] <PurpleMotion> i doubt it
[06:48] <lJlolel> what will be the next name of ubuntu?
[06:48] <PurpleMotion> breezy badger
[06:48] <lJlolel> no hog?
[06:48] <benplaut> nope
[06:48] <twysted> check it purplemotion, i couldnt play dvds in mplayer unless i mounted the dvd and it was set as the right device :P
[06:49] <poningru> gaaah wtf
[06:49] <benplaut> Breezy Badgerhog
[06:49] <lJlolel> of course
[06:49] <cefx> I need help finding what device my external hard drive is.
[06:49] <whitefang> sudo apt-get install xlibmesa-glu-dev
[06:49] <poningru> there is a firefox package in backports
[06:49] <cefx> Any tips, people?
[06:49] <whitefang> oops
[06:49] <poningru> and a mozilla-firefox in main
[06:49] <PurpleMotion> i get a decode_video error then mplayer segfaults
[06:49] <poningru> or whatever it is in
[06:49] <whitefang> gcc-3.4 3.4.3-9ubuntu4
[06:49] <whitefang> gcc 4:3.3.5-1
[06:49] <whitefang> gcc-3.3 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2
[06:49] <benplaut> cefx: go to Places menu, and see all of the options there
[06:49] <whitefang> which of these is the best package to install?
[06:49] <PurpleMotion> and, tmk, everything is setup right
[06:49] <benplaut> it should be in that menu
[06:49] <twysted> oh nice purplemotion
[06:49] <PurpleMotion> yah
[06:49] <cefx> uh it's not?
[06:50] <PurpleMotion> even if i try to open .vob files
[06:50] <cefx> it's an external drive that is not mounted
[06:50] <PurpleMotion> same deal
[06:50] <benplaut> oh
[06:50] <skalpel> is there an app top unpack rar files that uses a gui?
[06:50] <PurpleMotion> i just dont have the best luck when it comes to video in linux, heh
[06:51] <PurpleMotion> doesnt ark do rar files if rar is installed?
[06:51] <benplaut> cefx: try "sudo /mnt/usbhdd" and then "mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/usbhdd"
[06:51] <cefx> benplaut, ideas?
[06:51] <twysted> ive always double clicked rar files and it did it for me
[06:51] <benplaut> oh, and a sudo on the second one
[06:51] <PurpleMotion> yup
[06:51] <cefx> benplaut, it's also ntfs
[06:51] <PurpleMotion> ark does rar files
[06:51] <gpd> sproingie: sorry for annoyance... but do you remember an X11 app called sproingie or springie or sproing or something... it was a spring simulator like sodaplay.com
[06:51] <benplaut> then you'll only be able to read it, not write
[06:51] <benplaut> brb
[06:51] <cafuego> it might need unrar-nonfree
[06:52] <PurpleMotion> DAMNIT
[06:52] <skalpel> what is the command to execute unrar-nonfree?
[06:52] <sproingie> gpd: there's an opengl screensaver named sproingies, inspired by qbert. that's where i got the name
[06:52] <PurpleMotion> mpeg4ip error'd on make
[06:52] <PurpleMotion> FARK
[06:52] <cefx> benplaut, /mnt/usbhdd isn't a command
[06:52] <cafuego> skalpel: 'unrar', if it is installed
[06:53] <skalpel> it is, but that does not offer me a gui, it is a command line program
[06:53] <ricosuave17> how do i log onto a ssh computer
[06:53] <PurpleMotion> why in the hell cant you just 'make player'
[06:53] <gpd> sproingie: ok, no problem, thought you might be talking about that spring thing... I think it might be solaris come to think of it...
[06:53] <mebaran> what marillat branch should I use for mplayer
[06:54] <crimsun> mebaran: for hoary? use sarge.
[06:54] <mebaran> I need version 1.07 because the early ones are pretty buggy on amd64
[06:54] <cafuego> mebaran: none
[06:54] <mebaran> crimsun, for breezy atm
[06:54] <crimsun> better yet, compile it on your own system.
[06:54] <skalpel> UNRAR 3.40 freeware Copyright (c) 1993-2004 Alexander Roshal
[06:54] <mebaran> I was trying to use build dep
[06:54] <skalpel> is that the correct version?
[06:54] <cafuego> mebaran: marrilat is debianused and youll get libc6 depend issues
[06:54] <skalpel> all i get is a command line help response
[06:54] <cafuego> mebaran: Basically, don't use breezy.
[06:54] <mebaran> cafuego, it is working ok
[06:55] <PurpleMotion> i mean wouldnt it make sense to be able to 'make player'???
[06:55] <mebaran> mplayer works
[06:55] <Sighkick> Good evening from NZ... is anyone able to help with a sound card problem?
[06:55] <cefx> Anyone know how I can find the hdd?
[06:55] <mebaran> but I need libdvdcss to do anything
[06:55] <crimsun> Sighkick: shoot
[06:55] <cafuego> mebaran: And if you want dvd or avi access, don't use amd64.
[06:55] <mebaran> cafuego, it ALWAYS worked before
[06:55] <mebaran> cafuego, you dont know what you are talking about
[06:55] <cafuego> mebaran: You'll want a 32bit version then.
[06:55] <cefx> What do you mean, cafuego ?
[06:55] <mebaran> a source compile works fine
[06:55] <mebaran> mplayer v1.07pre works like a charm on my two boxes encoding and everything
[06:55] <cafuego> mebaran: I *RUN* amd64, mate. I know what DOES and DOES NOT work here.
[06:56] <mebaran> cafuego, I ran amd64
[06:56] <cefx> cafuego, help me find this hard drive to mount it :P
[06:56] <mebaran> what is your problem
[06:56] <Sighkick> crimsun, have tried to install 2 legacy ISA sound cards... no joy. Is there anyway to get them to work easily or is it a mammoth compile driver task?
[06:56] <mebaran> in dvd
[06:56] <cafuego> mebaran: yeah, tarball installs is an altogether different issue.
[06:56] <mebaran> yeah
[06:56] <cafuego> mebaran: Locks up the box (hard)
[06:56] <mebaran> but building an mplayer pkg is easy
[06:56] <mebaran> cafuego, ah I got that a couple times
[06:56] <mebaran> I assumed it was heating issues .....
[06:57] <mebaran> sometiems it doesnt though
[06:57] <cefx> Well some help everyone is. :(
[06:57] <PurpleMotion> mplayer homepage down for anyone else?
[06:57] <mebaran> isnt encoding supposed to be one of those things that 64 bits excels at?
[06:57] <f_newton> if your software will accept it yes
[06:57] <cafuego> mebaran: yeah, as long as the encoders don't use ia32 ASM
[06:57] <f_newton> lol
[06:57] <mebaran> cafuego, ahhhhh
[06:57] <cefx> Is there ANY ONE that can help me?
[06:58] <PurpleMotion> cefx: what are you on about?
[06:58] <DekaPink> If only I could make TMPGenc work... :3
[06:58] <mebaran> the havent ported mplayer yet from assembler
[06:58] <mebaran> or ffmpeg
[06:58] <mebaran> or ... anything?
[06:58] <cefx> PurpleMotion, I can't find my external HDD which is connected via USB in DMESG to mount it.
[06:58] <cafuego> mebaran: no idea, I do my recoding on win32.
[06:58] <PurpleMotion> cefx: /dev/sda ?
[06:58] <PurpleMotion> should be
[06:58] <cefx> checking
[06:58] <cefx> How can i check?
[06:58] <mebaran> cafuego, bad bad man
[06:58] <mebaran> heheh
[06:59] <PurpleMotion> cefx: cat /var/log/messages | grep -i /dev/sd
[06:59] <DekaPink> Now, to amuse everyone... the amusing ubuntu girl my friend found: http://www.wakachan.org/os/src/1122485798403.jpg
[06:59] <cafuego> mebaran: As long as Linux doesn't have decent GUI software to do it I won't be switching.
[06:59] <PurpleMotion> is the mplayer homepage down for anyone else?
[06:59] <f_newton> cafuego, excuse me?
[06:59] <mebaran> acidrip is decent enough
[06:59] <f_newton> linux has great gui software for recording video
[06:59] <mebaran> cafeugo, have you tried mythtv
[06:59] <twysted> hello im using ubuntu 5.04 and i cannot resolve domains, i have checked my nameservers and gateways, i am able to ping ips but not domains, and oddly i can still get updates/upgrades through apt and aptitude, any ideas?
[06:59] <cefx> nothing
[06:59] <Sighkick> Crimsun: u still there? ISA Sound Cards too much of a problem?
[06:59] <mebaran> that is one of the few places linux HAS good gui
[07:00] <mebaran> Sighkick, you still have an ISA snd card
[07:00] <poningru> twysted: you sure its not your dns server?
[07:00] <cafuego> f_newton: As long as Linux doesn't have decent GUI software to transcode video/crearte DVDs I will keep using windows.
[07:00] <mebaran> cafuego, it does
[07:00] <crimsun> Sighkick: sorry, let me read
[07:00] <mebaran> for transcoding at least
[07:00] <twysted> poningru: i have tried my isp
[07:00] <mebaran> acidrip is a very nice gui
[07:00] <PurpleMotion> DekaPink: too bad parts of it are cutoff..... that would be an awesome splashy theme
[07:00] <twysted> and my inhouse dns
[07:00] <poningru> twysted: have you tried resolving using another os?
[07:00] <mebaran> or dvdrip if you want to be a power user
[07:00] <poningru> you have an inhouse dns?
[07:00] <crimsun> Sighkick: which two cards?
[07:00] <skalpel> is there an app top unpack rar files that uses a gui?
[07:00] <poningru> wtf
[07:00] <cafuego> mebaran: What, with transcode as backend?
[07:00] <Sighkick> mebaran: yes, I was always under the impression that Linux was the way to keep older technology useful...
[07:01] <twysted> poningru: im on windows xp right now and i can resolve and so can every other box in my house, but this one machine will not resolve using my isp's or my own dns servers
[07:01] <DekaPink> PurpleMotion, Truly. :D
[07:01] <poningru> anyway how are you connecting?
[07:01] <mebaran> Sighkick, Isa is prety old
[07:01] <mebaran> but I am sure you can make it work
[07:01] <Sighkick> crimsun, : I have tried an ESS1868F and a Creative Vibra 16
[07:01] <mebaran> do you know what kind of car itis
[07:01] <Sighkick> BRB fone
[07:01] <lJlolel> thank you all!
[07:01] <lJlolel> exit
[07:01] <mebaran> cafuego, no
[07:01] <crimsun> Sighkick: which did you want to use?
[07:01] <mebaran> mencoder
[07:01] <twysted> poningru: dsl through a openbsd router
[07:01] <mebaran> which I find does a better job
[07:01] <mebaran> if you want transcode to backend it
[07:01] <cafuego> Does that produce decent non-jumpy video yet?
[07:02] <esac> is there a good guide for setting up QoS/traffic shaping ? I want to give priority to say ... ssh, squid, apache2, and then whatever is left over to say ... bittorrent downloads/uploads ..
[07:02] <mebaran> cafuego, mine doesnt jump
[07:02] <mebaran> then again I have an AMD64
[07:02] <mebaran> so that might explain it
[07:02] <cafuego> mebaran: I do too.
[07:02] <mebaran> nah
[07:02] <mebaran> my TV recordings look clear enough
[07:02] <cefx> mebaran, me too :/
[07:02] <twysted> hmmm
[07:02] <cefx> I'm starting to freak about not seeing the hdd. Is USB or FireWire better for Ubuntu amd64?
[07:03] <mebaran> cafuego, I transcoded all of the works of Fellini at 1815 kbps
[07:03] <mebaran> they look beautiful
[07:03] <mebaran> the filters did a great job
[07:03] <whitefang> is dx9wine in the wine cvs source?
[07:03] <mebaran> and acidrip chugged them
[07:03] <mebaran> the only problem was
[07:03] <mebaran> that it locked up hard on occasion
[07:03] <f_newton> the funny thing for me cafuego is that I dont use my computer for tv entertainment purposes
[07:03] <twysted> cefx usb should be fine
[07:03] <Sighkick> crimsun: I have tried the ESS1868F and it was not shown when I did a ispci
[07:03] <mebaran> and I guess it was because of the 32 bit ASM
[07:03] <cafuego> f_newton: I use it to procude DVDs from downloads
[07:04] <mebaran> I thought the cpu was getting hot as it would do the hot beeping stuffs
[07:04] <Sighkick> crimsun, : the creative vibra 16 is now fitted (ISA)
[07:04] <mebaran> cafuego, dvdauthor is decent
[07:04] <mebaran> and graveman I think can make dvd vids
[07:04] <cafuego> f_newton: .. so i can watch 'em on the DVD.
[07:04] <mebaran> either than or gnomebaker
[07:04] <Sighkick> let me try that command again... I dont know what it is, was just told to do it last nite..
[07:04] <twysted> poningru: any ideas?
[07:04] <f_newton> yes cafuego I know what you use it for
[07:05] <pudland> how do you switch to root? su?
[07:05] <deprave> jesus these w32codecs are taking forever to download even on blazing fast AOL dialup!
[07:05] <twysted> pudland use sudo
[07:05] <f_newton> I use my computer to make my work easier
[07:05] <f_newton> I use my tv to put me to sleep
[07:05] <cafuego> f_newton: <heh>
[07:05] <cafuego> f_newton: I use books to put me to sleep.
[07:05] <mebaran> f_newton, but what if you were that comic character
[07:05] <f_newton> and any old infomercial will do that
[07:05] <mebaran> Little Abner
[07:05] <mebaran> what then ...
[07:05] <cafuego> f_newton: TV to switch my brain off whilst staying awake.
[07:05] <f_newton> well I aint but lil abner had daisy mae
[07:06] <deprave> i use methadone
[07:06] <mebaran> could anyone help me manually make the drivers for my nvidia 6600GT
[07:06] <f_newton> and that would help any man sleep well
[07:06] <mebaran> the version in the repos is not recent enough
[07:06] <mebaran> and I am getting a slew of weird errors
[07:06] <pudland> twysted: what usage?
[07:06] <Sighkick> crimsun, : I tried that command (lspci) in a terminal window and there is no pnp isa card shown
[07:06] <PurpleMotion> http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/887 <-- looks good, no??
[07:06] <twysted> pudland: sudo application
[07:06] <twysted> pudland: sudo apt-get update
[07:06] <twysted> :)
[07:07] <mebaran> arg
[07:07] <mebaran> why isnt my chvt
[07:07] <mebaran> working
[07:07] <pudland> im trying to get perms to install java
[07:08] <cafuego> mebaran: Are you using a 2.6.13-rcX kernel?
[07:08] <mebaran> not yet ...
[07:08] <mebaran> only 2.6.12
[07:08] <Amaranth> breezy isn't going to have 2.6.13
[07:08] <cafuego> mebaran: The stock driver ought to work fine on that.
[07:08] <mebaran> cafuego, vesa works ok
[07:08] <mebaran> it just is ugly and not clean
[07:08] <cafuego> I think the ABI got changed in 2.6.13 (and that breaks nvidia)
[07:08] <cefx> K. Still no luck with the hdd.
[07:08] <pudland> su
[07:08] <PurpleMotion> (totem:28410): GStreamer-WARNING **: element internal_thread claimed state-change success,but state didn't change to PLAYING. State is PAUSED (NONE_PENDING pending), fix the element
[07:09] <PurpleMotion> it plays in windows, damnit!
[07:09] <twysted> pudland use sudo sh javainstaller.bin
[07:09] <weirdcreep> how do i use ssh
[07:09] <cefx> Can someone please help me?
[07:09] <Sighkick> gidday fishy: whats the weather like over the pond?
[07:09] <mebaran> cafuego, it wont let me dll it
[07:09] <cafuego> twysted: NO!
[07:09] <PurpleMotion> !java
[07:09] <ubotu> hmm... java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[07:09] <mebaran> because it the modules havent been fixed yet
[07:09] <fishy> Sighkick: I live in a house :(
[07:09] <mebaran> what is a good tool to encode in theora
[07:09] <cafuego> mebaran: dll whatnow?
[07:09] <pudland> it says command not found
[07:09] <mebaran> I wnat to get the propreitary nvidia driver
[07:09] <mebaran> but as you might realize
[07:10] <mebaran> tehy havent fixed restricted modules for the new kernel
[07:10] <Sighkick> Oh, so all aussies don't live in the bush then... silly me :)
[07:10] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: what plays in windows?
[07:10] <pudland> hold on
[07:10] <pudland> lemme try again
[07:10] <cafuego> mebaran: want my /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel ?
[07:10] <cafuego> mebaran: works fine
[07:10] <PurpleMotion> Amaranth: all my mp4 videos play in windows just fine, but they dont play _at_all_ in linux under any player, and yes i have the right codecs and libraries installed
[07:11] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: mp4 is encrypted with Apple's FairPlay DRM
[07:11] <concept10> PurpleMotion, have you tried VLC?
[07:11] <cafuego> pudland: "sudo apt-get install java-package". DO NOT run the command twysted gave you!
[07:11] <PurpleMotion> yup
[07:11] <mebaran> oh
[07:11] <PurpleMotion> sure have
[07:11] <mebaran> is it included?
[07:11] <Amaranth> concept10, PurpleMotion: Nothing will play them.
[07:11] <skalpel> how do i change my splash screen in ubuntu?
[07:11] <mebaran> cafeugo, how do I get it
[07:12] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: This is why you don't buy music videos from iTunes. :)
[07:12] <PurpleMotion> Amaranth: they play in windows just fine. and according to mplayer and gstreamer, they SHOULD be playing here as well
[07:12] <cafuego> mebaran: I copied it out of the linux-restricted-modules tree
[07:12] <PurpleMotion> i didnt, if you must know it's a movie, and i didnt buy it.. it's ummm gpl, yeah, thats it, gpl
[07:12] <gpd> sproingie: it was called xspringies and there is now jspringies :)
[07:12] <mebaran> how come you dont have to force modprobe it
[07:12] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: um
[07:13] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: if you've installed w32codecs install totem-xine too and try to play it with totem again
[07:13] <mebaran> I am just going to use the nvidia installer
[07:13] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: if it doesn't work after that it won't at all
[07:13] <Arkubuntu> hi everyone
[07:13] <PurpleMotion> yup been there, done that, still dont work
[07:13] <PurpleMotion> heh
[07:13] <amonkey> is it an asshole thing to do to hack people at a lan? cuz i thought it wasm pretty funny when his mouse started moving
[07:13] <cafuego> mebaran: No idea. Do you want me to tar bz2 my source dir and put it online for you?
[07:13] <PurpleMotion> im recompiling mplayer from the pre7 source.. they say there are a few mpeg related fixes in it
[07:14] <Arkubuntu> someone have installed jdk in ubuntu?
[07:14] <concept10> PurpleMotion, I have played mp4's with VLC
[07:14] <mebaran> cafuego, how aobut you just even give me the binary module
[07:14] <mebaran> it should work
[07:14] <PurpleMotion> concept10: i hear ya, ppl have played them with xine, mplayer, and gstreamer as well
[07:14] <mebaran> we are both using the same kernel
[07:14] <mebaran> on the same architecture
[07:14] <PurpleMotion> just for whatever reason, they're not playing for _me_
[07:14] <pudland> cafuego: it said couldnt fing java-package
[07:14] <cafuego> mebaran: Because my kernel is patched.
[07:14] <Sighkick> Anyone able to offer a relatively painless solution to install a legacy ISA Creative Vibra 16 sound card please? I have already seen www.alsa-project.org and it doesn't seem beginner friendly :(
[07:15] <mebaran> cafuego, ahhhhh
[07:15] <mebaran> I think I will run the nvidia script
[07:15] <mebaran> it isnt so bad
[07:15] <cafuego> pudland: You mgith need to enable the "universe" repository.
[07:15] <mebaran> chvt is not working on my breezy comp
[07:15] <PurpleMotion> Sighkick: if you're using ubuntu, chances are alsa is already installed and configured.. together with hotplug, all you should have to do is put the card in and go
[07:15] <mebaran> alt-ctrl f1 doesnt give me a terminal anymore
[07:15] <Arkubuntu> i have a problem with the jdk setup
[07:15] <Arkubuntu> please!! help!!
[07:16] <lunitik> Arkubuntu, what is the issue?
[07:16] <cafuego> mebaran: Like I said before, breezy is broken.
[07:16] <PurpleMotion> Arkubuntu: watch ubotu
[07:16] <PurpleMotion> !java
[07:16] <ubotu> well, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[07:16] <mebaran> THAT broken
[07:16] <mebaran> what are they doing with chvt
[07:16] <PurpleMotion> follow those directions, you can't go wrong
[07:16] <mebaran> hasnt that been the same forever
[07:16] <Arkubuntu> i can't install jdk
[07:16] <Sighkick> PurpleMotion, : been there, done that....it doesnt find the PnP ISA card... checked by running cmd lspci - its not listed
[07:16] <Arkubuntu> a message appears.. like this
[07:16] <pudland> cafuego: /etc/apt/?????
[07:16] <PurpleMotion> pnpisatools
[07:16] <PurpleMotion> have phun
[07:16] <lunitik> cafuego, change 'multiverse' to 'extras' ... I forget the syntax...
[07:17] <cafuego> pudland: sources.list
[07:17] <mebaran> I am thinking of moving to gentoo
[07:17] <mebaran> except the frame buffer drivers in gentoo
[07:17] <Sighkick> ok... how do I find pnpisatools pls?
[07:17] <mebaran> make everything exceedingly dim
[07:17] <concept10> Sighkick, you want lspci to list a ISA card?
[07:17] <twysted> gentoo sucks honestly they break it ALOT
[07:17] <mebaran> twysted, argh!
[07:17] <PurpleMotion> i think acutally it's isapnptools
[07:17] <Gorth> what's ubuntu's version of env-update
[07:17] <cafuego> mebaran: soemthing even more broken than breezy, congratiulations. </sarcasm>
[07:17] <Arkubuntu> "The installer is unable to run in graphical mode. Try running the installer with the -console or -silent flag."
[07:17] <twysted> its nice other then it being borked all the time :)
[07:17] <lunitik> mebaran, Gentoo offeres less software... and requires more maintainence... why would you want to do that?
[07:18] <cafuego> mebaran: Shoulda stuck with hoary.
[07:18] <Arkubuntu> that's the message!
[07:18] <Sighkick> concept10, : it was something someone suggested I did last night... I have no idea what the command means
[07:18] <pudland> cafuego: how come su doesnt like my psswrd?
[07:18] <Arkubuntu> what can i do?
[07:18] <PurpleMotion> Sighkick: sudo apt-get install isapnptools
[07:18] <cafuego> pudland: sudo, not su
[07:18] <Amaranth> mebaran: chvt?
[07:18] <f_newton> list pci devices?
[07:18] <Gorth> env-update doesn't exist??
[07:18] <pudland> cafuego: sudo edit sources.list???
[07:18] <twysted> pudland: forget the command "su" use sudo for root privledges in a program
[07:18] <mebaran> Amaranth, it is the program that changes your screen
[07:18] <pudland> cafuego: else read only
[07:18] <Amaranth> mebaran: err
[07:18] <mebaran> what you call when you push alt-ctrl-0f1
[07:18] <cafuego> pudland: yes
[07:18] <concept10> Sighkick, try to find your hardware with the device manager
[07:19] <Amaranth> mebaran: ok, works here
[07:19] <mebaran> lets you have multiple cli
[07:19] <mebaran> I can call it from terminal
[07:19] <Arkubuntu> please!! somebody help me!! i can't install jdk
[07:19] <transgress> screen
[07:19] <mebaran> but it doesnt ... work
[07:19] <transgress> mebaran: screen
[07:19] <mebaran> transgress, doesnt chvt call screen
[07:19] <cafuego> mebaran: http://www.cafuego.net/stuff/nvidia-kernel.tar.bz2
[07:19] <transgress> iuno
[07:19] <Sighkick> concept10, : i found the device manager but couldnt figure out how to make it LOOK again...
[07:19] <Amaranth> mebaran: multiple cli? you know ctrl-alt-f2 works, right?
[07:19] <pudland> cafuego: im ubuntu newb. too much FC. is sudo ubuntu specific?
[07:19] <mebaran> Amaranth, that is exactly what DOESNT work on my box
[07:19] <Amaranth> pudland: no
[07:20] <cafuego> mebaran: next time you think going to a broken distro is clever, please reconsider.
[07:20] <Arkubuntu> during the setup appears this message "The installer is unable to run in graphical mode. Try running the installer with the -console or -silent flag." why? i don't know!
[07:20] <mebaran> cafuego, hoary is more broken on my comp at least
[07:20] <Amaranth> mebaran: go back to hoary
[07:20] <mebaran> the installer kernel panics
[07:20] <mebaran> that is not a good sign
[07:20] <Amaranth> wow
[07:20] <pudland> cafuego: hhhm, ok, new to me. i'll try
[07:20] <Razor-X> mebaran: you went to breezy?
[07:20] <lunitik> Arkubuntu, wiki.ubuntu.org/RestrictedFormats ... install sun-j2sdk1.5 from extras
[07:20] <mebaran> Razor-X, yeah
[07:20] <Amaranth> mebaran: you must have some esoteric hardware :)
[07:20] <mebaran> no
[07:20] <Gorth> guys my xmms won't run its configure because it says my glib is out of date
[07:20] <mebaran> the most esoteric thing in my box
[07:20] <Gorth> but i've used aptitude to update my glib like
[07:20] <mebaran> is a nvidia 660GT
[07:20] <Gorth> 50 times
[07:20] <cafuego> hoary ia32 and amd64 work fine on mine.
[07:20] <f_newton> is breezy in release?
[07:20] <cafuego> f_newton: No.
[07:20] <sproingie> f_newton: no. october
[07:20] <mebaran> problem is the whole damn thing is pci express
[07:21] <mebaran> which I think confuses the kernel to no end
[07:21] <f_newton> kewl...
[07:21] <lunitik> Arkubuntu, you probably want sun-j2re1.5 though if you can't figure out that much...
[07:21] <cafuego> mebaran: No, it doesn't confuse the kernel.
[07:21] <mebaran> cafuego, eh then I dont know
[07:21] <mebaran> I got breezy to install once by setting pci-express to legacy mode and switching it back on boot
[07:21] <Arkubuntu> i have installed j2re
[07:21] <mebaran> I mean hoary
[07:21] <mebaran> but it wouldnt create /dev/dsp for my Via Envy sndcard
[07:22] <cafuego> PCI express is just agp with a rocket up its arse as far as the kernel is concerned
[07:22] <Arkubuntu> i want the jdk
[07:22] <mebaran> it loaded the modules
[07:22] <lunitik> Arkubuntu, then the plugin should be working...
[07:22] <Sighkick> concept10, : the ISA Creative Vibra 16 sound card is not shown... let me run that apt get command
[07:22] <mebaran> it did all that nice stuff
[07:22] <Gorth> configure: error: *** GLIB >= 1.2.2 not installed - please install first ***
[07:22] <Gorth> :(
[07:22] <lunitik> Arkubuntu, apt-get install sun-j2sdk1.5
[07:22] <Arkubuntu> yes... the plugin is working.... but i can't install the jdk software
[07:22] <cafuego> Gorth: What are you compiling?
[07:22] <mebaran> if you have 32 bit asm in code
[07:22] <Gorth> xmms
[07:22] <Arkubuntu> ok... waittt...
[07:22] <cafuego> Gorth: Why?
[07:22] <mebaran> how does the processor deal with it
[07:22] <Gorth> for music!
[07:22] <mebaran> when the kernel sends it on
[07:22] <cafuego> Gorth: apt-get install xmms
[07:22] <Gorth> ah
[07:22] <Gorth> thanks
[07:23] <pudland> cafuego: what app used to edit sources.list?
[07:23] <Dreumah> hey i have a smart link 56k modem in my laptop is it supported, and how do i get it to work?
[07:23] <cafuego> pudland: Your favuorite editor.
[07:23] <lunitik> cafuego, maybe have him use Synaptic...
[07:23] <Amaranth> Dreumah: Is it a winmodem?
[07:23] <Arkubuntu> "packet not found"
[07:23] <Gorth> what's the difference between apt-get and aptitude
[07:23] <cafuego> lunitik: You do it, I am about to runa way screaming and get committed...
[07:23] <Dreumah> winmodem?
[07:23] <Arkubuntu> there's a special deb line for apt?
[07:24] <bingobango> anyone have any trouble getting sound to work with nvidia nforce2?
[07:24] <deprave> Dreumah : look at the modem, does it say lucent on the chips?
[07:24] <Draucon> anyone else have problems running gdesklets?
[07:24] <lunitik> Arkubuntu, uhh... yes... thats why I directed you at wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats... if you want help... you really ought to pay attention
[07:24] <lunitik> cafuego, haha
[07:24] <Dreumah> it came with in the laptop, i cant look at the chips
[07:24] <Arkubuntu> thanks!
[07:24] <lunitik> cafuego, what do you want him to add?
[07:24] <Dreumah> its internal
[07:25] <deprave> Dreumah : hmmmmmm
[07:25] <Madeye> guys, I'm using my ADSL modem as router, How can i make my web server visible in this case?
[07:25] <DekaPink> Huh... How can I make sure a port can be accessed? :3
[07:25] <deprave> Dreumah : try looking for a piece of software called ltmodem for ubuntu, and run that, that might help ya out
[07:25] <twysted> madeye look at your adsl modems documentation and find out how to forward ports
[07:25] <twysted> or call your isp
[07:26] <Dreumah> but i cant connect to the internet with my mashine in ubuntu... i am on win right now trying to get the better part of my laptop to work
[07:26] <PurpleMotion> gmplayer: h264.c:2306: mc_dir_part: Assertion `pic->data[0] ' failed.
[07:26] <PurpleMotion> wtf does that mean
[07:26] <deprave> Dreumah : download it, it fits on a floppy
[07:26] <lunitik> PurpleMotion, why are you using mplayer?
[07:26] <DekaPink> Tibia can't seem to access the internet. Heh.
[07:26] <pablo928> Does anyone know of a simple flash site building app available for Ubuntu?
[07:27] <Sighkick> PurpleMotion, : can't find the package isapnptools (or pnpisatools) anymore suggestions?
[07:27] <Dreumah> and then just run it and see what happens.. aight, thank you, hopefully it works
[07:27] <PurpleMotion> EVERY player crashes that file with that EXACT same message. i'm just playing my options, now what does it mean?
[07:27] <lunitik> PurpleMotion, you have codecs installed?
[07:27] <deprave> what would the apt-get activator be for java
[07:27] <PurpleMotion> Sighkick: the package is there... i dont know, check your repositories
[07:27] <Draucon> noones running gdesklets?
[07:28] <PurpleMotion> man im not going through this every fucking time i get a little more info on this. ALL I WANT TO KNOW IS WHAT THE ERROR MEANS IN TECHNICAL TERMS
[07:28] <lunitik> deprave, wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats ... you need the extras repo there...
[07:28] <PurpleMotion> jesus christ
[07:28] <deprave> ok thanks
[07:28] <nomasteryoda> Draucon, how to make gdesklets work?
[07:28] <lunitik> PurpleMotion, ^^
[07:28] <benplaut> !gdesklets
[07:28] <ubotu> benplaut: I don't know, could you explain it?
[07:28] <lunitik> deprave, haha... that wasn't for you, so
[07:28] <PurpleMotion> sorry for the outburst, all
[07:28] <lunitik> sorry
[07:28] <Sighkick> LOL... was going to answer that I didnt need suppositories...... ok where are my repostitories..on the Hdd or install cd?
[07:28] <Draucon> yeah when i installed it doesn't seem to be working
[07:28] <benplaut> how do you add something to ubotu?
[07:28] <nomasteryoda> yea
[07:29] <lunitik> !info gdesklets
[07:29] <ubotu> gdesklets: (an advanced architecture for desktop applets), section universe/gnome, is optional. Version: 0.34.3-0ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 358 kB, Installed size: 2104 kB
[07:29] <nomasteryoda> nice ...kinda gui
[07:29] <PurpleMotion> YES, I have w32codecs installed, I ALSO have libfaad2 installed, as well and libdvdcss and whatever else you're going to ask me over and over. all i want to know is what the error MEANS.
[07:29] <Draucon> !info gdesklets
[07:29] <benplaut> why ask again?
[07:29] <lunitik> PurpleMotion, no idea...
[07:30] <PurpleMotion> heh, thats cool, i dunno either
[07:30] <PurpleMotion> cryptic if ever there was an error message
[07:30] <deprave> wow java is big!
[07:30] <benplaut> cafuego: where can i find a list of commands to be used on blootbot?
[07:30] <lunitik> PurpleMotion, thus trying to figure it out...
[07:30] <benplaut> !blootbot
[07:30] <ubotu> I heard blootbot is see ubotu.
[07:30] <benplaut> :P
[07:30] <lunitik> !info blootbot
[07:30] <PurpleMotion> lunitik: yeah, good luck.. i been pulling my hair out over it for a week
[07:30] <concept10> PurpleMotion, I suggest you ask in the channel of the application your are using
[07:30] <ubotu> blootbot: (a severely modified infobot for IRC), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 1.1.0-5.1 (hoary), Packaged size: 235 kB, Installed size: 936 kB
[07:30] <benplaut> !infobot
[07:30] <ubotu> benplaut: I give up, what is it?
[07:30] <Razor-X> deprave: did you think it was small? ;)
[07:30] <benplaut> !cafuego
[07:30] <ubotu> benplaut: I give up, what is it?
[07:30] <benplaut> oh, come on :P
[07:30] <lunitik> !info infobot
[07:30] <PurpleMotion> concept10: screw it, i'll share it on samba and watch it downstairs on windows :D
[07:31] <asda> dd if=/dev/cdrom of=file.iso bs=1024
[07:31] <asda> dd: reading `/dev/cdrom': Input/output error
[07:31] <asda> 652+0 records in
[07:31] <asda> 652+0 records out
[07:31] <Draucon> ok so noone has any ideas
[07:31] <twysted> !nameserver
[07:31] <asda> help me pls
[07:31] <ubotu> twysted: Wish i knew
[07:31] <concept10> Stop playing with the bot
[07:31] <lunitik> haha... no dpkg for infobot... boo
[07:31] <deprave> well i was hoping
[07:31] <lunitik> ohh... cafuego, you still around?
[07:31] <Razor-X> asda: dd doesen't output straight to iso
[07:31] <orion> hey rapists
[07:31] <PurpleMotion> hey orion
[07:31] <PurpleMotion> that's my sons name
[07:31] <PurpleMotion> and the name of my former dalnet server
[07:31] <PurpleMotion> heh
[07:32] <orion> this is my first time using ubuntuand im running apache
[07:32] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: how old is your son?
[07:32] <orion> working pretty well
[07:32] <PurpleMotion> Razor-X: he'll be 9 in november
[07:32] <concept10> could someone tell me if they can access my site: http://ntarieo.ath.cx/apache2-default/public_html/mambo/
[07:32] <deprave> orion is old school!
[07:32] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: i'm about 7 years his senior
[07:32] <orion> how am i oldschool?
[07:32] <whitefang> where can i get live support for compiling wine cvs?
[07:32] <lunitik> concept10, no
[07:32] <Razor-X> whitefang: #wine
[07:32] <concept10> lunitik, you cant?
[07:32] <deprave> not you, orion.dal.*
[07:33] <lunitik> concept10, no, I can't... what you think I meant?
[07:33] <whitefang> there's 1 person in #wine
[07:33] <PurpleMotion> Razor-X: right on... he was born 11/7/96, and orion.dal.net's predecessor, centurion.dal.net linked on 11/8/96, while i was still in the hospital, heh
[07:33] <Razor-X> whitefang: ask him for help ;)
[07:33] <orion> #apache
[07:33] <PurpleMotion> i went home and changed my motd to ITS A BOY
[07:33] <PurpleMotion> hehehe
[07:33] <concept10> lunitik, that was real fast thats all.
[07:33] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: I wasborn on 5/9/90 ;)
[07:33] <Razor-X> s/wasborn/was born/
[07:33] <PurpleMotion> my anniversary is 5/4/93
[07:33] <benplaut> whitefang: try #winehq
[07:34] <Razor-X> I don't think i'll ever have the time to sysadmin something that large
[07:34] <benplaut> 70 people
[07:34] <deprave> jesus i need to get off irc for a while
[07:34] <orion> is there a channel for apache here?
[07:34] <windex|asleep> Razor-X, soon i will be able to say i have been on irc longer than other people have been alive.
[07:34] <Razor-X> deprave: yes, after a while, you'll forget that there are people who actually walk around and do stuff with their limbs
[07:34] <benplaut> orion: try #apache
[07:34] <orion> yeah ty benplaut
[07:35] <rgould> How does one go about installing a custom font for Gnome?
[07:35] <Razor-X> windex|asleep: and soon i'll be able to say that i'm the youngest maintainer on Ubuntu ;)
[07:35] <lunitik> rgould, apt-cache search ttf and apt-get install one...
[07:35] <windex|asleep> Razor-X, i'll go find a 9 year old in India to do it. Microsoft can, so can we.
[07:35] <deprave> well, if his kid is 9 years old, and i remember his server, that must mean *does the math, taking off his shoes* i need to leave!
[07:35] <asda> dd if=/dev/cdrom of=file.iso bs=1024
[07:35] <asda> dd: reading `/dev/cdrom': Input/output error
[07:35] <asda> 976+0 records in
[07:35] <asda> 976+0 records out
[07:35] <lunitik> rgould, failing that... just throw the ttf files into /usr/share/fonts
[07:35] <asda> hi can help me guys
[07:35] <PurpleMotion> deprave: hey, m8, that was my server :) twas a cyrix 6x86 166mhz clocked to 250 w/128mb 70ns edo ram, runing freebsd 2.something i think
[07:35] <rgould> lunitik, just throwing the ttf into that directory will suffice?
[07:36] <lunitik> rgould, sure
[07:36] <windex|asleep> asda, ... are you trying to burn a cd?
[07:36] <orion> what types of server are u guys running?
[07:36] <rgould> lunitik, damn, I had been messing with the X fonts directory :) Should I restart Gnome?
[07:36] <Razor-X> deprave: there's a whole world out there waiting for you to WAN hijack into ;)
[07:36] <asda> yes
[07:36] <deprave> yeah i remember, i was a locop on hebron.*
[07:36] <asda> i'm burn on comand line
[07:36] <lunitik> asda, use 'cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc --data file.iso'
[07:36] <PurpleMotion> deprave: i know with nobody logged in, that box had 13 running processes and held 2500 users :D
[07:36] <asda> and the err like ta
[07:37] <PurpleMotion> were you
[07:37] <windex|asleep> asda, what lunitik said. cdrecord should be able to figure out your drive settings.
[07:37] <Razor-X> I would love to sysadmin, but like I said, I doubt i'll ever have the time
[07:37] <PurpleMotion> you were a regular in one of the help channels, no?
[07:37] <deprave> Razor-X : sheeeit i come to irc for sanctuary, i've seen the world in ways the average human does not
[07:37] <deprave> yep
[07:37] <deprave> and you never offered an o:line, bastard
[07:37] <mebaran151> any of you ever tried FreeBSD
[07:37] <deprave> haha
[07:37] <deprave> jk
[07:37] <Razor-X> deprave: there are reasons I don't like the real world, reasons I won't elaborate here
[07:37] <asda> doh
[07:38] <PurpleMotion> bah, you know how much i got hounded for o:lines??
[07:38] <PurpleMotion> heh
[07:38] <lunitik> mebaran151, sure
[07:38] <asda> i wanna copy cd to cd sir
[07:38] <Arkubuntu> i tried freeBSD
[07:38] <asda> what command for tha
[07:38] <asda> ?
[07:38] <Arkubuntu> some problem?
[07:38] <Razor-X> ewww, BSD
[07:38] <asda> pls help me sir
[07:38] <PurpleMotion> not to mention i took on like 8 orphaned opers when the net went to shit
[07:38] <Razor-X> i'm such a BSD hater, I refuse to ps aux
[07:38] <lunitik> asda, man mkisofs
[07:38] <windex|asleep> asda, you have two cdroms?
[07:38] <asda> now
[07:38] <PurpleMotion> lol@Razor-X
[07:38] <asda> just one
[07:38] <mebaran151> I am going to try something that MIGHT not panic
[07:38] <deprave> Razor-X : heh igot back from Iraq a year ago, i'm enjoying not doing anything right now
[07:38] <mebaran151> this rig is so nice
[07:38] <lunitik> Razor-X, Linux contains a lot of BSD code... please refrain from disrespecting it, thanks
[07:39] <asda> i must go to work no and don't have time for read man
[07:39] <windex|asleep> asda, you can actually use dd to make an iso image.
[07:39] <deprave> PurpleMotion : yeah dalnet is complete crap
[07:39] <lunitik> Razor-X, BSD folks CREATES the interenet
[07:39] <Razor-X> deprave: ahhh, thanks for doing what most of us don't like to do ;)
[07:39] <lunitik> internet*
[07:39] <lunitik> CREATED*
[07:39] <asda> yeah
[07:39] <mebaran151> actually I am going to build my own distro!
[07:39] <rgould> lunitik, thanks - worked perfectly.
[07:39] <mebaran151> LFS
[07:39] <lunitik> wow... I can type
[07:39] <Razor-X> lunitik: that was navy folks, actually
[07:39] <asda> i use dd and get err
[07:39] <Razor-X> ;)
[07:39] <mebaran151> complete with unmake
[07:39] <deprave> <3 fbsd
[07:39] <windex|asleep> asda, but i have no idea why your command failed in that context
[07:39] <orion> as gw bush would say "Those Internets"
[07:39] <Arkubuntu> BSD is a very good O.S i use only BSD for a server
[07:39] <mebaran151> that will uninstall things that make
[07:39] <asda> dd if=/dev/cdrom of=file.iso bs=1024
[07:39] <asda> dd: reading `/dev/cdrom': Input/output error
[07:39] <asda> 1404+0 records in
[07:39] <asda> 1404+0 records out
[07:39] <asda> 1437696 bytes transferred in 54.320065 seconds (26467 bytes/sec)
[07:39] <asda> like that
[07:39] <windex|asleep> asda, the cd maybe has copy protection?
[07:39] <asda> so what's wrong
[07:39] <Razor-X> I just can't stand BSD, it gets me in a way few things do
[07:39] <PurpleMotion> yeah fbsd rocks for server stuff
[07:40] <benplaut> orion: :P
[07:40] <PurpleMotion> it's the best in fact
[07:40] <lunitik> asda, stop flooding
[07:40] <Razor-X> and that's why I don't even use ps aux
[07:40] <PurpleMotion> next to irix
[07:40] <orion> one person got it, ty benplaut
[07:40] <Razor-X> for server stup, it's cool, but for desktop use.., meh
[07:40] <PurpleMotion> but who can afford an sgi
[07:40] <asda> i'm not flood just paste
[07:40] <twysted> i run obsd for my router i like it alot
[07:40] <benplaut> :)
[07:40] <asda> flood not like the
[07:40] <lunitik> Razor-X, BSD makes you think less than some Linux distro's...
[07:40] <asda> that
[07:40] <PurpleMotion> hey orion
[07:40] <Razor-X> asda: more than three lines of pasting is considered floodinrg
[07:40] <PurpleMotion> that actually your name?
[07:40] <Arkubuntu> yes... BSD is just for a server... no for home use
[07:40] <Razor-X> lunitik: so?
[07:40] <orion> oh, no man its my alias online
[07:40] <Razor-X> I like the amount of thinking I do on my ZSH command-line
[07:40] <PurpleMotion> heh
[07:40] <twysted> lunitik: agreed i dont really have to do anything to maintain it its neat
[07:40] <PurpleMotion> right on
[07:40] <orion> :)
[07:40] <Arkubuntu> *not...
[07:41] <lunitik> Razor-X, so, stop disrespecting one of the best projects around, thanks
[07:41] <PurpleMotion> did u catch i said earlier, it's my sons name
[07:41] <windex|asleep> PurpleMotion, my name is really windex. really.
[07:41] <asda> dd if=/dev/cdrom of=file.iso bs=1024 <== this command is correct ??
[07:41] <Razor-X> lunitik: no, I won't
[07:41] <PurpleMotion> he gets complimented on it all the time, heh
[07:41] <orion> yeah, thats pretty sweet name
[07:41] <Razor-X> if I don't like something, I can express it
[07:41] <orion> oh, im sure
[07:41] <deprave> i use fbsd for name/web/mail etc, linux for desktop operations. there's nothing in stone written one or the other
[07:41] <Razor-X> same as people hate on emacs, and the like
[07:41] <Amaranth> PurpleMotion: Is your real name Mr. Purple Motion? :P
[07:41] <PurpleMotion> lol
[07:41] <lunitik> Razor-X, so, because you didn't choose to read the documentation, and you are above learning... BSD automatically sucks?
[07:41] <orion> dude im running ubuntu on my shit hole emac right now!!!!
[07:41] <PurpleMotion> no, but a simple /whois will reveal my real name
[07:41] <lunitik> Razor-X, because they don't embrace morons, it sucks?
[07:41] <Razor-X> lunitik: who said I didn't read the documentation?
[07:41] <Amaranth> BSD is off-topic for this channel
[07:42] <Amaranth> and so are _any_ arguments about it
[07:42] <Razor-X> lunitik: did I say that anywhere?
[07:42] <PurpleMotion> .o(01:41:50): * [PurpleMotion] ([email protected]): Jason F. Aristide III
[07:42] <Arkubuntu> BSD don't sucks... i think that is better than linux...
[07:42] <efigyidol> lo
[07:42] <deprave> screw x11 on fbsd
[07:42] <Amaranth> Razor-X, lunitik: ^
[07:42] <asda> anyone can help me
[07:42] <Amaranth> deprave: ^
[07:42] <twysted> asda apparently not
[07:42] <f_newton> Razor-X, I fear I must jump in on the side of BSD a big reason we still have unix derivs today
[07:42] <Amaranth> f_newton: ^
[07:42] <orion> omfg stop argueing about bsd
[07:42] <deprave> Amaranth : what? carrot?
[07:42] <f_newton> hmmm something tells me thats a warning of some kind
[07:42] <windex|asleep> vi vs emacs, bsd vs linux, religion vs not! today on #ubuntu? no.
[07:42] <raDeon> how come my music is distorted at high volumes under linux
[07:42] <Arkubuntu> is just,... mmm BSD is not so good for desktop operations... you know... flash support, shockwave...
[07:42] <Razor-X> deprave: look up
[07:42] <raDeon> and not on windows
[07:42] <gigaclon> I find that when I hold down the alt button and drag it moves the window
[07:43] <lunitik> Amaranth, sorry... I didn't bring it up... didn't even touch on the subject till he disrespected it...
[07:43] <Razor-X> windex|asleep: meh ;)
[07:43] <HrdwrBoB> gigaclon: correct
[07:43] <gigaclon> is there a way to turn that off
[07:43] <Razor-X> lunitik: it's dislike, not disrespect
[07:43] <Razor-X> those are two different things
[07:43] <HrdwrBoB> gigaclon: this is the feature that I can't live without
[07:43] <Amaranth> lunitik: Don't try to get the last word in, just drop it.
[07:43] <HrdwrBoB> gigaclon: why
[07:43] <Amaranth> Razor-X: You too.
[07:43] <benplaut> deprave: pretty much, stop talking about BSD
[07:43] <deprave> oh sorry Amaranth , i was peeing
[07:43] <PurpleMotion> PurpleMotion was one of the musicians in the demo group Future Crew.. He wrote the ScreamTracker software, which at the time, was by far and wide the best mod/s3m tracker in existance
[07:43] <orion> rofflecopter
[07:43] <PurpleMotion> hell, it might still be
[07:43] <lunitik> Amaranth, I am apologizing to you... not continuing the argument
[07:43] <efigyidol> raDeon: probably because windows and linux have different maximum output settings, and linux is outputting a clipped wave?
[07:44] <orion> is firetstarter a good firewall?
[07:44] <benplaut> yup
[07:44] <gigaclon> griddlers.net uses the alt and drag motion in their java applet
[07:44] <twysted> yes
[07:44] <benplaut> quite good
[07:44] <f_newton> firestarter is NOT a firewall
[07:44] <concept10> PurpleMotion, what platform?
[07:44] <orion> goody
[07:44] <efigyidol> can we please keep the BSD discussion out of the ubuntu chan?
[07:44] <orion> not a firewall wtF?
[07:44] <lunitik> orion, it does its job... pretty decent
[07:44] <f_newton> its an interface
[07:44] <benplaut> it's a GUI for IPtables
[07:44] <Razor-X> firestarter is a simple frontend to iptables, no?
[07:44] <Arkubuntu> if macromedia develop a plugin for BSD, i will be surfing with BSD
[07:44] <Amaranth> yes
[07:44] <f_newton> yes Razor-X
[07:44] <twysted> it does its job though either way
[07:44] <orion> firestarter is also a song by prodigy but no one cares
[07:44] <Amaranth> Arkubuntu: !
[07:44] <lunitik> f_newton, its a GUI front end to configure iptables/netfilter ... close enough
[07:44] <twysted> well im out guys thanks! :D
[07:44] <orion> have fun
[07:44] <lunitik> Arkubuntu, shut up about BSD
[07:44] <Razor-X> orion: no, nobody does ;)
[07:45] <PurpleMotion> concept10: they started on amiga, then moved to x86... the demos they coded were for DOS, screamtracker was coded for DOS as well as for AmigaOS
[07:45] <eyequeue> and prodigy was also...
[07:45] <f_newton> well ok... my sock is a foot and a shoe too
[07:45] <orion> crazy
[07:45] <orion> nice one
[07:45] <orion> touche
[07:45] <efigyidol> iptables is great!
[07:45] <Arkubuntu> sorry man...
[07:45] <concept10> Amaranth, moderate dont show power, please.
[07:45] <Razor-X> I have too much on my ``List to learn'' already
[07:45] <orion> rofflecopter
[07:45] <orion> with bbqsauce
[07:45] <efigyidol> can someone please ask for help?
[07:46] <f_newton> lol concept10 one of the perks of power is getting to use it
[07:46] <lunitik> concept10, he showed no power... power would be kicking, banning, or quiting you
[07:46] <Amaranth> concept10: This isn't a democracy, I do whatever it takes to keep things on track.
[07:46] <lunitik> quieting*
[07:46] <benplaut> OK, how do i...
[07:46] <orion> concept im getting the feeling they dont like you
[07:46] <concept10> PurpleMotion, Okay. I though C=64
[07:46] <benplaut> i'll think of something
[07:46] <raDeon> efigyidol, so what are you saying?
[07:46] <eyequeue> efigyidol: i'm hungry, but no food handy, help
[07:46] <lunitik> Amaranth, ps, how the hell you get to be an op ;)
[07:46] <orion> uh oh!
[07:46] <PurpleMotion> nah,t hey were amiga
[07:46] <f_newton> orion concept10 is a good linux dood from MY hood so....
[07:46] <Amaranth> I don't dislike anyone, I just don't like it when someone derails the channel with a BSD flame.
[07:46] <raDeon> i want my volume louder with it sounding good!
[07:46] <efigyidol> eyequeue: eat your keyboard!
[07:46] <PurpleMotion> but i think they might have done one or two c64 demos
[07:47] <orion> f_newton i know nothing about ubuntu, im suprised im able to host a website using apache lol
[07:47] <concept10> f_newton, What I mean is Just tell guys to stop arguing, no need to show power. Thats my take.
[07:47] <Razor-X> it's awesome, but it my music sound crappy ;)
[07:47] <f_newton> orion until this morning I knew nothing about it either
[07:47] <efigyidol> raDeon: probably not possible, but you can try playing with different variations of pcm and master volume
[07:47] <eyequeue> efigyidol: laptop, i'd probably get toxics in me too :)
[07:47] <Amaranth> lunitik: *shrug*
[07:47] <orion> i raped a mongoose
[07:47] <Amaranth> lunitik: I hopped on #ubuntu-meeting once and asked and they told me I already was on.
[07:47] <Amaranth> err, one
[07:47] <f_newton> yeah concept10 I know... but hey some days yer the spider some days yer the fly
[07:47] <Razor-X> orion: ok.....
[07:47] <orion> lol
[07:48] <concept10> f_newton, heh
[07:48] <lunitik> Amaranth, hmm... I should try that :P
[07:48] <orion> rofflecopter
[07:48] <concept10> I guess im the fly today :)
[07:48] <orion> ur the only one who got that razor
[07:48] <Amaranth> concept10: The show of power is a threat to back up the words.
[07:48] <orion> oh noes
[07:48] <orion> they killed kenny
[07:48] <gigaclon> so is there a way to turn off that functionally of alt-drag?
[07:48] <efigyidol> eyequeue: Hmmm, perhapps just lick it to take your mind off being hungry till something consumable comes near
[07:48] <concept10> Amaranth, I mean no offense
[07:48] <lunitik> orion, you're lucky this isn't #debian... you'd get flamed for that ('ur')
[07:48] <Razor-X> well, I guess, mongooses... ;)
[07:48] <eyequeue> efigyidol: lol
[07:48] <f_newton> Im the quiet kind of smash em with overpowering odds kinda person
[07:48] <orion> hahaha
[07:48] <f_newton> myself
[07:48] <Razor-X> woaha, thaat's crazy
[07:49] <Razor-X> s/craazy/crazy/
[07:49] <windex|asleep> using the term rofflecopter ought to incurr some kind of extreme mental anguish issued by a popup button on everyone elses machine who was forced to read it.
[07:49] <Razor-X> anti netspeak rules?
[07:49] <orion> i say we all go into #debian and all talk with shortcuts like ur then
[07:49] <Razor-X> orion: I don't use shortcuts
[07:49] <raDeon> i want to know why it isn't possible for me to have as high volume under linux as windows
[07:49] <transgress> efigyidol: yes
[07:49] <Razor-X> I learned quickly enough that abbreviations look bad, and make you sound stupid, and so I remedied my internet speech to reflect thus ;)
[07:49] <f_newton> well lunitik I am glad this is a derivative of debian but happy its not full of childish kids like the deb rooms are
[07:49] <orion> windows is full of hookers
[07:50] <Razor-X> but, I and hybrid_goth are working on RINNS
[07:50] <lunitik> raDeon, turn your sound up? (alsamixer and gnome volume manager)
[07:50] <f_newton> well... scratch that... apparently there ARE some
[07:50] <Razor-X> RINNS Is Not NetSpeak
[07:50] <raDeon> it's actually good if i lower PCM a bit, but the volume control in XMMS controls PCM so i can't change the volume easily
[07:50] <raDeon> when listening to music
[07:50] <benplaut> i'm a childish kid! :)
[07:50] <raDeon> just PCM
[07:50] <orion> how old are u guys?
[07:50] <raDeon> very irritating
[07:50] <concept10> Amaranth, what I mean is warn the person, if they persist, then just wrap the tape around the mouth (mute)
[07:50] <lunitik> f_newton, I was joking... I was a regular there for more than 3 years
[07:50] <efigyidol> orion: I think thats hooks
[07:50] <benplaut> just barely a teen
[07:50] <Razor-X> a more effecient alternative to netspeak that will come with a client-side parser, so that speech is human-readable, plus it's actually effecient to abbreviate
[07:50] <Amaranth> concept10: That's not my style.
[07:50] <Razor-X> i'm 15, here
[07:50] <orion> benplaut same here
[07:50] <f_newton> well all that aside I wont hold it against you lunitik `
[07:50] <f_newton> lol
[07:50] <orion> razor same here
[07:50] <lunitik> f_newton, haha
[07:51] <efigyidol> raDeon: try playing with different variations of pcm and master volume
[07:51] <Amaranth> concept10: My bark is worse than my bite, I'd rather show power and get them to comply than force them to comply with a +q
[07:51] <Razor-X> most of my frinds are ``OMG R U THR?!'' ;)
[07:51] <Razor-X> it sounds odd to them the way I talk
[07:51] <f_newton> debianites are worse then slackwareonians
[07:51] <benplaut> uuhhgg
[07:51] <concept10> Amaranth, Okay. Thats cool.
[07:51] <lunitik> Amaranth, softy :D
[07:51] <orion> that is sad razor-x
[07:51] <Razor-X> f_newton: are we Ubuntians?
[07:51] <Razor-X> (like Martians, Ubuntians)
[07:51] <orion> im a ubuntian!
[07:51] <deprave> i'm more of an ubunghole
[07:51] <Amaranth> /mode #ubuntu +b *!*@*
[07:51] <orion> nice one
[07:51] <Amaranth> err, oops
[07:51] <concept10> benplaut, use dishwasher
[07:52] <Madpilot> i thought it was Ubuntite?
[07:52] <f_newton> Im a fedorian tired of the constant breakage of a great os by meddling argumentative dev teams
[07:52] <lunitik> Amaranth, yeah, oops... heh
[07:52] <Razor-X> Ubuntian sounds better
[07:52] <orion> i thought it was San Diegon
[07:52] <benplaut> supposedly doing them by hand is good for me :(
[07:52] <concept10> f_newton, true statement
[07:52] <f_newton> yeah
[07:52] <eyequeue> lilo glined the network that way one day
[07:52] <Madpilot> benplaut: it's character building.
[07:52] <efigyidol> How about Ubbydubbies?
[07:52] <f_newton> and it was by accident that I chose to download ubuntu
[07:53] <f_newton> the name was keeping me away
[07:53] <orion> im a newbie knowing nothing about linux
[07:53] <f_newton> but the review said debian based
[07:53] <Razor-X> IRC has the side effect that tab-completion, and IRC style quoting is so reflexive, it carries over to PMs and IM/personal situations
[07:53] <efigyidol> We could have Ubuntitians
[07:53] <f_newton> and thats enough for me
[07:53] <concept10> lol @ character building with soapy hands
[07:53] <cafuego> Ubunwegians
[07:53] <Razor-X> Ubunscists
[07:53] <Sighkick> concept10 & PurpleMotion : I have tried to install isapnptools but apt-get can't find it. It was suggested I look in the repository, which would be excellent if I knew where the repository was. Is there anyone here that is not soley Plug 'n Play and can help a linux newbie in plain English?
[07:53] <orion> cafuego comes out of now where with the Ubunwegians
[07:53] <Razor-X> that sounds so cool ;)
[07:53] <efigyidol> Ubians?
[07:53] <concept10> Razor-X, you too? I try to tab complete other words
[07:53] <eyequeue> Razor-X: i'd probably attempt it on a typewriter
[07:53] <Amaranth> Razor-X: Aye, I often use this style when in a PM with someone. :)
[07:54] <Razor-X> concept10: hell yeah, after shell tab completion
[07:54] <Razor-X> I just quoted someone I was talking to in a PM
[07:54] <Razor-X> and yeah, meh
[07:54] <Razor-X> /me is totally reflexive
[07:54] <efigyidol> Ubiuns
[07:54] <Madpilot> I was trying tab-complete while editing the Ubuntu wiki early today - no, it doesn't work there...
[07:54] <efigyidol> Ubuntans
[07:54] <Amaranth> Razor-X: gaim supports /me
[07:54] <Razor-X> I like Ubuncists
[07:54] <eyequeue> yeah, i use /me midsentence too
[07:54] <raDeon> how do i use file transfers with GAIM
[07:54] <Amaranth> Razor-X: in msn, aim, etc i mean
[07:54] <raDeon> Gaim
[07:54] <Razor-X> Amaranth: so does nAIM, but in nAIM, the receiver doesen't see it
[07:54] <Madpilot> Ubuntuians
[07:54] <lunitik> Madpilot, that should so be a bug :P
[07:54] <efigyidol> Razor-X: reminds me of cancer
[07:54] <concept10> Razor-X, I wish tab complete could know my thoughts .. would save alot of keyboard banging
[07:54] <eyequeue> as a manner of speech
[07:54] <orion> Ubunscists is catchy got a ring to it
[07:55] <Razor-X> efigyidol: it is more contagious
[07:55] <f_newton> yeah gaim
[07:55] <Razor-X> concept10: yeah ;)
[07:55] <cafuego> like Fascists
[07:55] <f_newton> but xchat for irc
[07:55] <efigyidol> lol
[07:55] <Razor-X> cafuego: exactly
[07:55] <Razor-X> ;)
[07:55] <eyequeue> efigyidol: cancer?
[07:55] <bluefoxicy> http://data.4chan.org/b/src/1122959969096.jpg XD
[07:55] <Madpilot> cafuego: :) not the image we want, I think...
[07:55] <Razor-X> Ubunscists!
[07:55] <efigyidol> eyequeue: Ubuncists
[07:55] <lunitik> cafuego, hey, you have the code for ubotu posted anywhere?
[07:55] <weirdcreep> im gay
[07:55] <eyequeue> efigyidol: ahh
[07:55] <cafuego> Madpilot: Do NOT contradict your leader!
[07:55] <Razor-X> Madpilot: I'm a totalitarian liberal believer ;)
[07:55] <f_newton> whats the usual flags for unpacking bz2 files? I keep forgetting that
[07:55] <lunitik> cafuego, blootbot on its own is buggy for me :(
[07:55] <Razor-X> this is a messed up oligarchy anyways, fascism isn't too bad ;)
[07:56] <efigyidol> lol@weirdcreep
[07:56] <concept10> !info isapnptools
[07:56] <ubotu> isapnptools: (ISA Plug-And-Play configuration utilities.), section universe/base, is extra. Version: 1.26-5 (hoary), Packaged size: 115 kB, Installed size: 272 kB
[07:56] <efigyidol> timing is everything
[07:56] <cafuego> lunitik: Indded, you need the cvs one and make it do a mysql_ping every now and then.
[07:56] <weirdcreep> i dont bind
[07:56] <weirdcreep> mind
[07:56] <Razor-X> don't hit me Mr. Mods!
[07:56] <orion> hoary, what is that supposed to imply, when i saw that i was like damn i need this
[07:56] <Sighkick> k ..
[07:56] <Razor-X> weirdcreep: well, I do bind
[07:56] <Razor-X> ;)
[07:56] <orion> hoary = whorey?
[07:56] <weirdcreep> lol
[07:56] <Razor-X> my emacs is full of binds and shortcuts
[07:56] <brokenbox> haha
[07:56] <f_newton> hmm that bot is handy
[07:56] <brokenbox> whorey
[07:56] <Razor-X> if I go to another computer, the effeciency gap is crippling
[07:56] <concept10> Sighkick, update your repos
[07:56] <f_newton> yeah I gotz a gf a bit whorey
[07:56] <orion> oh noes
[07:56] <Razor-X> especially if I can't switch to Dvorak
[07:56] <f_newton> and man is she fun
[07:56] <lunitik> cafuego, all in the docs? I know I was kinda rushing through the docs when I last tried to configure one...
[07:56] <orion> lol @ f_newton
[07:56] <f_newton> whoooohoooo!
[07:57] <Razor-X> then I can only do about 32 WPM
[07:57] <brokenbox> hey speaking of whores, anyone else have the problem where kaffeine crashes firefox all the time?
[07:57] <orion> only 32wpm
[07:57] <Razor-X> brokenbox: yeah, that's whoreish ;)
[07:57] <orion> wow that is no good
[07:57] <orion> 32wpm is nothing i mean that sucks total balls
[07:57] <Razor-X> orion: on QWERTY, yes
[07:57] <Sighkick> concept10, : I installed ubuntu yesterday and installed 90 megs of updates...is there more?
[07:57] <Razor-X> Dvorak, I can strum at 120 WPM max, a constant 100 WPM
[07:57] <Sighkick> and how do I do it?
[07:57] <efigyidol> Razor-X I read somwhere that Devorak is actually not the fastest.
[07:57] <Amaranth> on QWERTY i push 80 when i'm doing good
[07:57] <Razor-X> efigyidol: what's the fastest?
[07:57] <concept10> !repositories
[07:57] <lunitik> Razor-X, so why would you use WERTY?
[07:57] <ubotu> rumour has it, repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto, or repos
[07:58] <orion> on qwertyuiop i can rape at around 250 wpm
[07:58] <efigyidol> Razor-X something with all the bits in the right place.
[07:58] <Amaranth> dvorak is fastest but only if you never use someone else's system
[07:58] <f_newton> you betcha Sighkick
[07:58] <Razor-X> lunitik: if I was stuck on a QWERTY box, that's what I do
[07:58] <Razor-X> orion: i'll bet I can type ``aoeu id htns'' faster than you can ;)
[07:58] <Amaranth> switching between dvorak and qwerty has been shown to make you type slower with both
[07:58] <concept10> Sighkick, there you go. and yes there are updates every now and then.
[07:58] <Sighkick> f-newton Ok.. so let me try and find the updates again..
[07:58] <orion> aoeu id htns
[07:58] <orion> huh
[07:58] <Amaranth> aoeuidhtns
[07:58] <Razor-X> Amaranth: on most systems, I find that I can switch to Dvorak no problem
[07:58] <orion> aoe id htns
[07:58] <orion> ??
[07:58] <orion> wtF?
[07:58] <orion> wtflus
[07:59] <orion> wtfluxlamobbqsauce!?!?!?
[07:59] <cafuego> using dvorak has been shown to make you a fashion victim, too
[07:59] <Razor-X> orion: that's the Dvorak home row
[07:59] <orion> dvorak wtf?
[07:59] <Amaranth> aoeui dhtns is the dvorak home row
[07:59] <Amaranth> yeah
[07:59] <deprave> !security
[07:59] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, deprave
[07:59] <brokenbox> or can anyone recommend a media player that works well with firefox and wont crash the shit out of it?
[07:59] <Razor-X> but, once I was configuring nVidia drivers for a frinde's X-less box
[07:59] <f_newton> dang my firefox just crashed
[07:59] <Amaranth> brokenbox: Language.
[07:59] <f_newton> that is a bad sign
[07:59] <deprave> !tell deprave about security
[07:59] <Amaranth> brokenbox: try mplayer
[07:59] <Razor-X> and I didn't really want to go through the pains of switching keyboard layouts without xkb stuff
[07:59] <concept10> brokenbox, totem-xine
[07:59] <Sighkick> only new updates are gzip and unzip...loading them now :(
[07:59] <orion> if firefox crashes wow ur shitzoed
[07:59] <orion> i use toem
[07:59] <Amaranth> concept10: that's breezy
[07:59] <orion> totem
[08:00] <orion> totem rapes ur totem
[08:00] <Razor-X> i'm actually on Windows right now
[08:00] <concept10> Amaranth, huh?
[08:00] <orion> i would have to concur
[08:00] <brokenbox> haha
[08:00] <Razor-X> SSHing into a box which I can use if I'm stuck in these positions
[08:00] <deprave> are there any security issues with ubuntu and is there a security mailing list i can subscribe to?
[08:00] <Amaranth> Sighkick: hoary is stable, no more updates except security ones
[08:00] <orion> im on linux and 3 windows sytems right now
[08:00] <Razor-X> it has everything I need -- emacs, and LaTeX ;)
[08:00] <Razor-X> (everything I need for a portable system, rather)
[08:00] <orion> latex!?!?! wow windows is fulll of hookers
[08:00] <Amaranth> concept10: the totem mozilla plugin isn't in hoary
[08:00] <Razor-X> orion: notice the capitalization
[08:01] <Razor-X> LaTeX > j00 ;)
[08:01] <orion> SSSSSSHHHHHH!
[08:01] <Razor-X> and no, not the material LaTeX
[08:01] <Razor-X> orion: yes, i'm using SSH ;)
[08:01] <cafuego> deprave: yes, [email protected]
[08:01] <orion> i know
[08:01] <Amaranth> orion: it's a TeX editor
[08:01] <orion> sweet jesus
[08:01] <brokenbox> mplayer have a good plugin for firefox?
[08:01] <Amaranth> orion: for linux
[08:01] <orion> ok
[08:01] <Amaranth> brokenbox: no controls, it just plays
[08:01] <orion> what is SSH>
[08:01] <orion> ?
[08:01] <Razor-X> Amaranth: I doubt he'ld know what a TeX editor is
[08:01] <concept10> Amaranth, oh, I made a mistake, I meant mozilla-mpayer
[08:01] <weirdcreep> how do i install my webcam
[08:01] <Razor-X> orion: Secure Shell
[08:01] <cafuego> deprave: There may be a typo there; evolution is being retarded.. check the website to be sure.
[08:01] <Sighkick> Amaranth, : I have version 5.04 ...isnt that hoary ?
[08:01] <orion> what do you do with SSH?
[08:01] <Amaranth> Sighkick: yes
[08:01] <Razor-X> it allows you to access the command prompt of a remote box through a secure connection
[08:01] <orion> version 5.04 is WHOREY
[08:01] <Razor-X> and a whole lot of other things
[08:01] <orion> oh ok
[08:02] <orion> thats cool i guess
[08:02] <Sighkick> well I have that and its up to date 100%
[08:02] <Razor-X> (like tunneling connections)
[08:02] <cafuego> orion: Please eat your ritalin now.
[08:02] <Amaranth> Sighkick: no more updates unless it's for security
[08:02] <concept10> I found this great extension in firefox that allows you to choose your video player for embedded video
[08:02] <basit> hey, anyone using 2.6.12?
[08:02] <Razor-X> (which is very useful in situations where you want desktop access, and VLC is too slow, use XDMCP, and tunnel through SSH)
[08:02] <cafuego> basit: yes
[08:02] <orion> i dont use ritalin, thank you very much, that was a measly insult if meant to be one
[08:02] <Razor-X> s/VLC/VNC/
[08:02] <Amaranth> basit: on breezy, yes
[08:02] <loren> hey, what's up with ubuntu
[08:02] <Sighkick> ok.. so where do I find this isapnptools to get my isa sound card to work?
[08:02] <Razor-X> I always get the two confused, guh
[08:02] <brokenbox> what plugin is that concept10?
[08:02] <basit> Amaranth, how 'd i update to breezy?
[08:02] <bur[n] er> basit: don't do it, X is b0rked
[08:02] <Amaranth> basit: You don't if you enjoy using X.
[08:02] <Razor-X> and yes, I don't use ``lol'' either, most of my stuff constitutes of sounds that can be imitated in the throat
[08:02] <deprave> !tell deprave about rosetta
[08:03] <Razor-X> in Breezy, X is totally messed up
[08:03] <deprave> useless bot
[08:03] <cafuego> orion: it was not supposed to be an insult, mate.
[08:03] <orion> roffle can be imitated in the throat
[08:03] <basit> Hmm
[08:03] <Sighkick> Amaranth: ok.. so where do I find this isapnptools to get my isa sound card to work?
[08:03] <basit> then what good it is ;-)
[08:03] <Razor-X> bur[n] er: how does it feel to be using the last name of a Supreme Court ex-nominee?
[08:03] <cafuego> orion: I was hoping it was your excuse.
[08:03] <Amaranth> Sighkick: never heard of it
[08:03] <concept10> brokenbox, its called Media player connectivity
[08:03] <Razor-X> it just makes me feel kind of weird ;)
[08:03] <orion> oh no cafuego im just having fun laughing at hardcore linux users
[08:03] <Razor-X> orion: like me? ;)
[08:04] <orion> :)
[08:04] <cafuego> orion: ... because you appear to only be trolling.
[08:04] <Razor-X> Windows gives me headaches, so, yeah
[08:04] <brokenbox> where can i find Media player connectivity concept10?
[08:04] <Amaranth> No more.
[08:04] <cafuego> Amaranth: thankyou!
[08:04] <Razor-X> ahh, woops there
[08:04] <Amaranth> cafuego: You're at fault too.
[08:04] <Razor-X> orion: rofl my waffle
[08:04] <concept10> brokenbox, let me find the link
[08:04] <Sighkick> Oh god...you get jerks in here too...
[08:04] <Madpilot> Stealth Mods - just when you thought it was safe to troll #ubuntu... <cue Jaws theme />
[08:05] <Amaranth> 15 minute timeout.
[08:05] <f_newton> Sighkick, just kids mostly
[08:05] <Amaranth> If you're good you can have milk and cookies later.
[08:05] <concept10> brokenbox, https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=446 ALL FIREFOX USERS CHECK THIS EXTENSION
[08:05] <brokenbox> awesome, thanks concept10
[08:06] <f_newton> linux is path of choice for techno kiddies not wanting to accept the status quo
[08:06] <Amaranth> ...
[08:06] <Amaranth> I'm getting sick of everyone trolling and flaming. Is it a full moon or something?
[08:06] <concept10> heh
[08:06] <efigyidol> f_newton: I use linux because it does stuff
[08:06] <Amaranth> efigyidol: Just don't.
[08:06] <Sighkick> Amaranth: I am trying to get a Creative PnP ISA Vibra 16 sound card to go. I don't know my way around linux yet, but am not entirely hopeless. I have tried the cmd lspci and my isa card is NOT shown. Device Manager doesnt show it and I have no idea how to search for new hardware... can u help?
[08:06] <Amaranth> Please.
[08:06] <GudyUbuntu> Si, sorry to bother, but is there some traceroute / tracert in ubuntu?
[08:07] <basit> kubunt isn't updated to 3.4.2 yet?
[08:07] <Amaranth> Sighkick: lspci is for pci devices :)
[08:07] <Amaranth> Sighkick: I dunno, I haven't used ISA since 1997 or so.
[08:07] <norhted> hi everyone, my creative 4+1 speaker system is working like normal 2-speaker. how can i enable it's full strength?
[08:07] <Sighkick> Amaranth, : so someone was trying to help but obviously not a guru
[08:07] <brokenbox> darn, its saying i dont have the newest ubuntu version of firefox. update manager wont let me retreive it
[08:07] <cafuego> Amaranth: I cany speak for others, but I have singlehandedly had enough coffee to keep all of Finland awake for 3 weeks ;-)
[08:08] <efigyidol> Sighkick: have you compiled a kernel before?
[08:08] <Razor-X> what did I do wrong?
[08:08] <Amaranth> Razor-X: It's done. Please just stop.
[08:08] <poningru> is there a folding ubuntu team?
[08:08] <Razor-X> Amaranth: well, I would like to know for future reference
[08:08] <concept10> Sighkick, sorry, Im not a guru, just a moronic figurine - Seriously, what is the problem.
[08:09] <basit> 3.4.2 breaks packages
[08:09] <Sighkick> Amaranth : so, do you suggest I give up or go the hard route and go to www.alsa-project.org? No...never compiled anything other than basic and C about a million years ago
[08:09] <Amaranth> Sighkick: *shrug*, i have no idea
[08:09] <cafuego> howto: being on irc as root is not a good idea.
[08:09] <Razor-X> Sighkick: I don't think compiling ALSA will get you anything
[08:10] <brokenbox> my /usr/src is showing like 4 different kernel sources, can i just remove all except for what im running?
[08:10] <dvm> greeting, I'd like to install flash, in 5.04. I've searched for it through Synaptic, but no luck. Do I need to add any repositories?
[08:10] <Sighkick> Razor-X, : they do have sound card drivers and found one for the other card I have ESS1868F... but didnt know how to proceed
[08:10] <Razor-X> Sighkick: is it an ALSA patch, or Kernel patch or something?
[08:10] <efigyidol> Sighkick: have you looked on google?
[08:10] <Razor-X> I mean, do you know?
[08:10] <Madpilot> dvm: easiest way for me was thru Macromedia's website- they have a Linux Flash download
[08:10] <transgress> brokenbox: yes but use aptitude to remove them
[08:11] <Razor-X> Amaranth: really, I would like to know what I did wrong so that I do not repeat the mistake again
[08:11] <brokenbox> transgress, cool thanks, Yeah i heard that aptitude is the only way to remove anything?
[08:11] <Amaranth> yay!
[08:11] <bob2> BSD is off-topic. #ubuntu-offtopic.
[08:11] <brokenbox> properly at least
[08:11] <dvm> yeah, I've found a site that says to add this repository: ## Backports
[08:11] <dvm> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[08:11] <dvm> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[08:11] <transgress> dvm: you need to add the multiverse repo
[08:11] <Amaranth> Razor-X: arguing with orion
[08:11] <Madpilot> !flash
[08:11] <ubotu> from memory, flash is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:11] <Sighkick> efigyidol, : not yet... will use my DQSD search on XP... hey does that install on linux?
[08:11] <Amaranth> Razor-X: and making fun of him after he got +q'ed
[08:11] <Razor-X> brokenbox: it is, because when you remove something using aptitude, you remove the packages that stem off
[08:11] <Madpilot> dvm: see the URL that ubotu just posted, too
[08:11] <dvm> so this is a known good repository?
[08:12] <Razor-X> Amaranth: I never made fun of him
[08:12] <transgress> brokenbox: no that's not true... you can use apt-get, aptitude, synaptic, and dpkg... and rm... but aptitude keeps better track of shit
[08:12] <efigyidol> Sighkick: http://www.google.com/linux?hl=en&lr=&q=vibra16+isa+howto&btnG=Search
[08:12] <Sighkick> cheers efigyidol
[08:12] <Razor-X> I said ``rofl my waffle'' a funny quote from a friend because he used ``rofl' modifications
[08:12] <GudyUbuntu> anyone about my traceroute question ?
[08:12] <efigyidol> Sighkick: it's usually faster doing it yourself. Some purists might say that part of the fun of linux is figuring it out for yourself.
[08:12] <Razor-X> s/<\'\>/''/
[08:13] <norhted> is there anyone who uses 4+1 speakers in ubuntu?
[08:13] <Dr_Willis> norhted, yes.
[08:13] <Dr_Willis> sound blaster audigy
[08:13] <Amaranth> 4.1 surround sound?
[08:13] <Sighkick> efigyidol, : yeah, I agree... was so impressed that ubuntu picked up my network and router, usb drive, nic etc...
[08:13] <norhted> Dr_Willis: great. i am using creative 4400
[08:14] <norhted> Dr_Willis: however only front 2 is working :(
[08:14] <Dr_Willis> you got to twiddle with the mixers i belive.
[08:14] <efigyidol> Sighkick, try learning debian (especially if you've never used linux before)
[08:14] <crimsun> norhted: have you adjusted Surround, Center, and LFE?
[08:14] <norhted> Amaranth : yes
[08:14] <Dr_Willis> install some of the other mixers also..
[08:14] <Dr_Willis> i tend to use the console based alsamixer.
[08:15] <Sighkick> efigyidol, : but I wondered how the Linux for Humanity would cope with none techno types trying to use older computers?
[08:15] <norhted> Dr_Willis: i am also using alsamixer, and
[08:15] <efigyidol> Sighkick: I suspect that the older computers part won't be a problem.
[08:16] <norhted> Dr_Willis: i can see sblive as my sound card
[08:16] <Sighkick> efigyidol: well I have proven that older sound cards will not be recognised...
[08:16] <crimsun> Sighkick: eh?
[08:16] <norhted> crimsun: what do you mean by adjusting?
[08:16] <kestas> anyone know how to use gdb here?
[08:16] <crimsun> Sighkick: did you load snd-sb16?
[08:17] <crimsun> norhted: unmuting and/or increasing their levels
[08:17] <kestas> I need to take a look at the stack segment, but cant find the gdb command to do it
[08:17] <norhted> crimsun: yes i did that
[08:17] <norhted> crimsun: however both bass and rear 2 is not working
[08:17] <bob2> kestas: ie the value of ESP?
[08:17] <kestas> bob2: Id like to get a look at the whole thing if possibly
[08:17] <deprave> bob2: hi
[08:18] <kestas> the whole segment up until the value of ESP
[08:18] <deprave> hi bob!
[08:18] <deprave> =D
[08:18] <kestas> or rather down until the value of ESP
[08:18] <bob2> deprave: hi
[08:18] <bob2> kestas: help registers?
[08:19] <norhted> Dr_Willis: can you use your speakers surround effect (i mean all of satelites)
[08:19] <Sighkick> crimsun, : sorry? I just caught your comment... where /how do I load snd-sb16?
[08:19] <kestas> bob2: well the stack isnt stored in registers
[08:19] <Dr_Willis> norhted, yes. :P with the right programs.
[08:19] <Dr_Willis> norhted, or ya can mirror the front to the back
[08:19] <norhted> Dr_Willis: which is the right program?
[08:20] <Dr_Willis> norhted, well for full 5.1 ya need somthing that knows what 5.1 is :P ie: xmms or similer..
[08:20] <crimsun> Sighkick: in a terminal, presuming you have the Vibra installed, type: sudo modprobe snd_sb16
[08:20] <efigyidol> Sighkick: I've had one of those running before, it was a while ago, just look at the documentation in that google search I gave you, if you don't understand something, search for that until you do. and keep going - I garuntee you will understand something when you're done ;-)
[08:20] <Dr_Willis> i just normally set the rear to mirror the front
[08:20] <GudyUbuntu> I found out why traceroute wasn't the right command, it's because it wasn't installed ... no idea why it's not with the default package ...
[08:21] <Sighkick> crimsun : now we're cookin' ... brb
[08:21] <floppyears> hi
[08:21] <norhted> Dr_Willis: but there is no option in XMMS to tell that i am using 4+1
[08:21] <floppyears> I'm getting an access denied on my ~/public_html folder
[08:21] <floppyears> the permisions of the folder are 755
[08:21] <cafuego> floppyears: What are the perms on it?
[08:21] <cafuego> floppyears: Whata re the perms on ~ ?
[08:21] <Sighkick> efigyidol : I will learn it all in good time... but this is only day one :)
[08:21] <AvatarofVirgo> How long does it take to get ubuntu cd's?
[08:21] <floppyears> drwxr-xr-x 12 jose jose 4.0K Jul 23 02:38 /home/jose/public_html/
[08:21] <crimsun> norhted: there is if you use ALSA directly and not esd
[08:22] <transgress> any beagle users in here?
[08:22] <floppyears> drwxr-x--- 189 jose jose 12K Aug 1 23:17 /home/jose
[08:22] <cafuego> floppyears: ~ should be 711 at *least*
[08:22] <norhted> crimsun: ok, go on
[08:22] <transgress> AvatarofVirgo: it's not ... quick... to say the least
[08:22] <transgress> lok!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:22] <transgress> i don't know you
[08:22] <cafuego> floppyears: yeah, missing a 001 there
[08:22] <crimsun> norhted: for instance, if you use the ALSA output, specify the plug:surround40 device in the configuration.
[08:22] <Sighkick> AvatarofVirgo, : took 6 weeks to get mine, but I am in the antipodes...
[08:22] <floppyears> cafuego: thanks
[08:22] <cafuego> floppyears: if you don't have o=x set, apache can't cd into it and access public_html
[08:22] <AvatarofVirgo> Might be quicker to download it, even with my dialup.
[08:23] <brokenbox> wow this sucks, i used aptitude to remove the kernel sources and install the newest firefox and it told me it was removing kdebase and kdecore
[08:23] <bob2> AvatarofVirgo: on the order of weeks
[08:23] <floppyears> cafuego: thanks a lot that worked
[08:23] <norhted> crimsun: and from where i can edit configuration for alsa?
[08:23] <crimsun> norhted: in the preferences
[08:23] <cafuego> floppyears: no, gald to be of non-troll service.
[08:23] <floppyears> I forgot to check my ~ permissions
[08:23] <x_or> What command line software is there to do batch image resizing?
[08:23] <floppyears> cafuego: why does it work with the 001, I thought that it required 005
[08:24] <AvatarofVirgo> I guess I'll have to put up with suse for a few weeks longer.
[08:24] <norhted> crimsun: hmm i am activating the alsamixer screen by writing alsamixer to the command line
[08:24] <crimsun> norhted: no, this is within XMMS.
[08:24] <cafuego> floppyears: apache only needs x, not read on ~
[08:24] <norhted> crimsun: hmmm i see
[08:24] <dvm> ok, got it! thanks everyone :)
[08:24] <norhted> crimsun: trying
[08:24] <cafuego> floppyears: it's only accessign soemthing _under_ ~, not files IN ~
[08:25] <shaym> hello
[08:25] <shaym> is there one issue to locales under X
[08:25] <AvatarofVirgo> Does it have a pretty graphic when it's booting up? Just wondering, not a big deal.
[08:26] <floppyears> cafuego: hmm, I guess my foundations on permissions are wrong :(
[08:26] <shaym> i haven't the same locale configured under console mode and X/Gnome
[08:26] <shaym> locales are well configured under console mode via dpkg-reconfigure locales
[08:26] <cafuego> floppyears: r is only needed if accessing a file in that dir; apache is just passing through ~ on the way to public_html, so x suffices.... basically.
[08:26] <Sighkick> crimsun : FATAL: Error inserting snd_sb16........No such device... etc :(
[08:26] <f_newton> hey autopsy went to bed eh?
[08:27] <crimsun> Sighkick: which sound card is installeD?
[08:27] <cafuego> AvatarofVirgo: Nope, but you could always add one.
[08:27] <Sighkick> crimsun : creative sb16
[08:27] <AvatarofVirgo> And what's the partitioning like? I have two hard drives, the 1st one has windows and suse on it and the second I have set as /home. Can I install ubuntu over my suse partition and have it use /home?
[08:27] <crimsun> Sighkick: is plug n' play enabled?
[08:27] <norhted> crimsun: from preferences window i selected ALSA 1.2.10 output plugin (libALSA.so)
[08:27] <cafuego> AvatarofVirgo: yep
[08:27] <Sighkick> I have a box full of old ISA cards...
[08:27] <norhted> crimsun: from there i select configure
[08:27] <crimsun> norhted: and enter the correct device in the device box.
[08:28] <AvatarofVirgo> Does use the resier (or how ever you spell it) file system?
[08:28] <cafuego> AvatarofVirgo: it has an ncurses based frontend, pretty easy to tell it to use the suse aprt as /, format it, then mount /home on /home (and don't format)
[08:28] <Sighkick> think so... maybe I search thru my box for a more recent one...
[08:28] <cafuego> AvatarofVirgo: it CAN use reiser, but sane people don't.
[08:28] <norhted> crimsun: and i selected SoundBlasterLive
[08:28] <AvatarofVirgo> What's wrong with it?
[08:28] <Sighkick> crimsun, : sorry, will have to shut down to check ...
[08:28] <crimsun> norhted: no. You're supposed to change it.
[08:28] <cafuego> AvatarofVirgo: nowhere near as stable as ext3
[08:29] <AvatarofVirgo> Other then stable what are the other differances, I don't know that much about file systems.
[08:29] <AvatarofVirgo> ?
[08:29] <Phuzion> Hey, I have a question about screem, and compiling it.
[08:29] <Sighkick> Hey guys: I think I will quit for the evening, its dinner time here in kiwi land. Will check that Linux Sound Howto website....
[08:30] <cafuego> AvatarofVirgo: different design; but what you want in a filesystem is stability, trust me :-)
[08:30] <Sighkick> but.. b4 I go, can anyone tell me about root / password? is that defaulted or do I have to set it?
[08:30] <Dr_Willis> Sighkick, its in the FAQ ;P its the first users password
[08:30] <AvatarofVirgo> What happens if a storm nocks my power out, does it recover well?
[08:30] <Phuzion> When I try to ./configure it, it says this:
[08:30] <Dr_Willis> and you CANT login straight to root - by default
[08:30] <Phuzion> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[08:30] <Phuzion> See `config.log' for more details.
[08:30] <cafuego> Sighkick: use 'sudo' from your user account; no root account or password needed.
[08:31] <crimsun> Phuzion: install build-essential
[08:31] <Phuzion> build essential?
[08:31] <norhted> crimsun: yeah i changed it, to all possible audio devices
[08:31] <crimsun> no, build-essential
[08:31] <cafuego> AvatarofVirgo: ext3? yeah. Unless the heads actually crash into the platter.
[08:31] <crimsun> norhted: no, change it to plug:surround40
[08:31] <Phuzion> Where do I get it?
[08:31] <crimsun> norhted: type it in the box
[08:31] <cafuego> AvatarofVirgo: Then again, a physical crash would kill any FS
[08:31] <norhted> crimsun: hmmm i see
[08:31] <crimsun> Phuzion: via Synaptic
[08:31] <Phuzion> Alright
[08:32] <Sighkick> Dr_Willis and cafuego : I followed the instructions and set up myself as user with a pwd.. but never got asked for the root one... so wondered. Know its not an area to mess in.....
[08:32] <norhted> crimsun: :(
[08:32] <AvatarofVirgo> Is there any faster way to get cd's? I'm kind of impatient.
[08:33] <cafuego> Sighkick: That's correct, there isn't one. root is disabled by default on Ubuntu.
[08:33] <Sighkick> AvatarofVirgo, : have you anyone closer that may have it already or a better connection speed?
[08:33] <crimsun> norhted: what?
[08:33] <Burgundavia> Sighkick, see wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for more info
[08:33] <Xyc0> AvatarofVirgo: BitTorrent
[08:33] <cafuego> Sighkick: if you need to run a root command; type 'sudo <command>' as normal user, then type your OWN password.
[08:33] <crimsun> norhted: you have to adjust your mixer levels - did you do that?
[08:34] <floppyears> AvatarofVirgo: torrent
[08:34] <AvatarofVirgo> I have dialup.
[08:34] <cafuego> AvatarofVirgo: any friends with broadband?
[08:34] <floppyears> Sighkick: you have to use "sudo command" if you want to execute something as root
[08:34] <norhted> crimsun: in XMMS?
[08:34] <Sighkick> cafuego, Burgundavia : thanks... that old UNIX study from many moons ago is coming to the surface
[08:34] <crimsun> norhted: using alsamixer
[08:34] <cafuego> Sighkick: :-)
[08:34] <AvatarofVirgo> Not really, I live in area where I hate every one. Don't ask.
[08:35] <Phuzion> crimsun, so I download Synaptic to get this build-essential thing?
[08:35] <Xyc0> AvatarofVirgo: Oh, then order them. You can get like 10 at a time to give to friends
[08:35] <Sighkick> floppyears, : does that include any application / device installs ?
[08:35] <AvatarofVirgo> I've only lived here for about 5 years.
[08:35] <crimsun> Phuzion: you already have Synaptic. It's in System> Administration> Synaptic
[08:35] <AvatarofVirgo> I ordered some last night.
[08:35] <floppyears> Sighkick: I think so
[08:35] <cafuego> AvatarofVirgo: Then there's not a really a fast way.
[08:35] <Phuzion> Ahhhh
[08:35] <Phuzion> Thanks
[08:35] <cafuego> well, an overnight dialup download would work
[08:35] <Xyc0> AvatarofVirgo: You can also go to a lan cafe and download and burn it there
[08:36] <billytwowilly> so, mysqladmin won't let me create databases. I've edited /etc/mysql/my.cnf to have a password and the user msql but when I use mysqladmin -u mysql -p creat Mambo and put in the password it doesn't let me create the database
[08:37] <floppyears> billytwowilly: try "sudo mysql"
[08:37] <AvatarofVirgo> I guess I can wait for it. The quality of the cd's will be better then burned cd's. I noticed cd-r's tend to scratch easy and don't last as long.
[08:37] <cafuego> AvatarofVirgo: Well, you really only need 'em once.
[08:37] <Xyc0> AvatarofVirgo: the only problem with that is I think they are holding off to ship untill breezy is released
[08:37] <toad3030> there anybody that can help me install all-20050412.tar.bz2 it is a codex file for totem
[08:37] <Madpilot> heh - just switched back the default Hoary "Human" Gnome theme - I'd forgotten how very *brown* it is...
[08:37] <pudland> cafuego: what was the command you gave me earlier to install java?
[08:38] <poningru> Madpilot: I hate that brown
[08:38] <cafuego> pudland: 'sudo apt-get install java-package'
[08:38] <benplaut> !java
[08:38] <billytwowilly> floppyears, yah, that doesn't work either. doesn't accept my password for some reason. I restarted mysql after changing the my.cnf file too. could it be the debian.cnf file in the mysql dir that is fuxoring it up?
[08:38] <ubotu> somebody said java was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[08:38] <poningru> wished it were more pretty
[08:38] <AvatarofVirgo> I was just on there site and it said October.
[08:38] <Phuzion> crimsun, is there any other essential packages I should get?
[08:38] <f_newton> toad that is a wincodecfile for xine/mplayer not totem
[08:38] <cafuego> pudland: That won't actually install java yet, though.
[08:38] <pudland> add my psswrd at the end of that?
[08:38] <Xyc0> AvatarofVirgo: Are you willing to wait that long?
[08:38] <pudland> oh
[08:38] <Madpilot> poningru: I'm planning on doing some screenshots for the U wiki, so I need to go back to the brown...
[08:38] <toad3030> hmm...must have read wrong then
[08:38] <poningru> ah
[08:38] <cafuego> pudland: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java <-- that will explain it all.
[08:38] <pudland> i dl's the jre package
[08:39] <AvatarofVirgo> I guess I better get downloading, I'll still get the cd's in the mail any way.
[08:39] <poningru> hmm sounds like a good idea
[08:39] <poningru> I might do that too
[08:39] <toad3030> anyway, i need to get my totem to read dvd's any help with that?
[08:39] <pudland> ok
[08:39] <pudland> ill read
[08:39] <poningru> ubotu: tell toad3030 about restrictedformats
[08:39] <cafuego> Amaranth: I wonder if there IS a full moon tomight, my cats are weird, too.
[08:39] <poningru> goomnam hey koyee
[08:39] <Sighkick> one final question.... I always have trouble finding the link to the ubuntu forum (for help etc)... is it just me or is the link hard to find?
[08:39] <poningru> read in hindi
[08:39] <shaym> do you know one good tool to capture X streams to swf2 ?
[08:40] <AvatarofVirgo> Is it just one cd iso? Because that should take about oh 3 days on dialup.
[08:40] <poningru> Sighkick: google keyword: ubuntuforums
[08:40] <cafuego> Sighkick: wiki.ubuntu.com or here, on irc.
[08:40] <Sighkick> K
[08:40] <floppyears> billytwowilly: hmm, I would then ask in #mysql
[08:40] <cafuego> AvatarofVirgo: Yeah, just one cd for the base. You can add stuff later (there is an entire DVD worth of stuff online)
[08:40] <cafuego> (dual-layer dvd at that)
[08:40] <Sighkick> AvatarofVirgo, : yes its one ISO...
[08:41] <f_newton> AvatarofVirgo, yer gonna get the cds in the mail before you finish downloading the install iso then installing the rest of the os from thenet
[08:41] <Madpilot> AvatarofVirgo: unless you want the LiveCD as well - that's a 2nd seperate ISO
[08:41] <Sighkick> LOL... the updates are 90 megs!!!
[08:42] <AvatarofVirgo> How many different disk do I get in the mail?
[08:42] <f_newton> the live cd is for running the os from a cdrom to check out whether you like it without destroying your current installation
[08:42] <Sighkick> AvatarofVirgo, : as many as you need...
[08:42] <Amaranth> cafuego: Moon Phase: Waning Crescent, 7% of moon illuminated
[08:42] <f_newton> the install iso is base packages etc but you will still need to finish the installation via the net
[08:42] <AvatarofVirgo> I know I'm getting 19 copies.
[08:42] <AvatarofVirgo> I mean 10...
[08:42] <Madpilot> AvatarofVirgo: however many you ordered - each set is 2 discs - Install & LiveCD
[08:42] <cafuego> Amaranth: Well well...
[08:43] <f_newton> in your case AvatarofVirgo you need to get the cd set from snail mail or someone in your LUG
[08:43] <AvatarofVirgo> It's to bad they don't put all there stuff on disk, they may have a lot of stuff I want that's not on the disk and it would be a pain having to download them.
[08:43] <pc19> im new to ubuntu. how do i access root? how do i put root password
[08:43] <Sighkick> AvatarofVirgo, : where abouts are you? Someone in the same neighbourhood might have already received a pack of ten to share...thats the idea of getting a lot
[08:43] <AvatarofVirgo> I live north of Austin.
[08:43] <Madpilot> !sudo
[08:44] <ubotu> I guess sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:44] <Madpilot> pc19: see ubotu's URL above ^^^
[08:44] <cafuego> pc19: You don't, there is no need. Ubuntu is set up to use 'sudo'.
[08:44] <pc19> thanks
[08:44] <f_newton> AvatarofVirgo, I live in Dallas... maybe we can work something out
[08:44] <Sighkick> AvatarofVirgo, : we had someone join just a while ago from TX
[08:44] <f_newton> there are a lot of linux users in texas and on freenode
[08:45] <AvatarofVirgo> f_newton: What do you have in mind?
[08:45] <f_newton> well do you have a wifi card ?
[08:45] <AvatarofVirgo> No.
[08:45] <f_newton> I can find you a wifi cafe that will give you free access for one thing
[08:45] <f_newton> hmmmm
[08:45] <AvatarofVirgo> I have a desktop that's it.
[08:45] <Sighkick> AvatarofVirgo, : the idea of getting more than one CD is to share... I have 8 copies still to give out... most ppl can do the same
[08:45] <AvatarofVirgo> Old ass emachine from best buy.
[08:46] <f_newton> ok... AvatarofVirgo what kind of box is it?
[08:46] <f_newton> is there no complete cd set of ubuntu?
[08:46] <AvatarofVirgo> Celeron 600 mhz, 256 mb ram.
[08:46] <f_newton> AvatarofVirgo, thats what my laptop is
[08:46] <f_newton> and it runs great on it too
[08:47] <AvatarofVirgo> 10 gb hard drive with a 10 year old 16 gb hd I pulled out of some older computer.
[08:47] <f_newton> AvatarofVirgo, that sounds like a dell
[08:47] <Sighkick> this is a K6 2/500 with 128 and it also works fine
[08:47] <f_newton> my home box is a bit... different but its not 64 bit
[08:48] <pc19> i didnt set anypassword yet
[08:48] <AvatarofVirgo> My secondary hd I had since aol 3.0 and it's still kicking.
[08:48] <pc19> what do i do?
[08:48] <Madpilot> pc19: you set your user pass during install
[08:48] <f_newton> well AvatarofVirgo I am tring to figure out how to get a default packages install w/ updates for you...
[08:48] <AvatarofVirgo> It only had about 64 or so ram when I got it, the ram cant be upgraded any more.
[08:49] <f_newton> well none of that matters for installation
[08:49] <Sighkick> dinner time...nite all...
[08:49] <AvatarofVirgo> I was just saying.
[08:49] <f_newton> we need tol figure out a way to get you installed
[08:49] <AvatarofVirgo> I know.
[08:49] <pc19> thanks
[08:50] <f_newton> I am going to research that a bit
[08:50] <AvatarofVirgo> How would I figure out if any one in my area has any disk?
[08:50] <AvatarofVirgo> I would say mail me a set but that would cost stamps.
[08:51] <f_newton> AvatarofVirgo, look up your local LUG, linux users group
[08:52] <f_newton> AvatarofVirgo, thats not a big deal
[08:52] <f_newton> lol
[08:52] <f_newton> not from Dallas
[08:52] <AvatarofVirgo> I know.
[08:52] <AvatarofVirgo> Give me a moment.
[08:52] <f_newton> but... thats not the problem
[08:52] <f_newton> the problem is how to get you a complete usable install without the internet
[08:52] <f_newton> dial up will take you a week
[08:52] <norhted> crimsun: first i enabled the rear satellites but at that moment i lost front satellites...an now i just have the rear right one...
[08:52] <norhted> crimsun: i increased and decreased everything in alsamixer
[08:52] <efigyidol> my system gets very laggy if any processor intensive activities are going on, generally I have xchat firefox and bmp open (and playing) can I tweak my resource management somehow?
[08:53] <AvatarofVirgo> What's the default install from just the disk provide?
[08:53] <pc19> how do i instal firefox?
[08:53] <anacron> pc19: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[08:53] <Madpilot> pc19: it's already installed in Ubuntu
[08:53] <AvatarofVirgo> I don't use my system for that much stuff. As long as I can get online, read email chat on aim, play music burn music. Little stuff like that I'm good.
[08:54] <anacron> AvatarofVirgo: lucky you, i need to do same stuff what i can do with windows
[08:54] <Phuzion> crimsun, can you help me out a little more/
[08:54] <pc19> being a beginner is cool here in ubuntu
[08:54] <Phuzion> ?
[08:54] <efigyidol> AvatarofVirgo: that will provide everything you need
[08:55] <norhted> crimsun: anyway, i have more important things to deal with other than sound, thanks
[08:55] <anacron> pc19: what's so cool beeing noob? :D
[08:55] <lok> AvatarofVirgo, well it provide you firefox, evolution(mail client), gaim(for aim), rhythmbox(music player), nautilus-burn
[08:55] <AvatarofVirgo> Sweet!
[08:55] <pc19> becoz u help
[08:55] <pc19> hehehehe
[08:55] <anacron> so it's cool being noob when others help you :D
[08:56] <AvatarofVirgo> I'm getting used to Gnome now, I'm in the process of using YAST on suse to remove kde.
[08:56] <Madpilot> anacron: there are some channels where noob = lunch, I gather...
[08:56] <Sonderblade> what does ubuntu use instead of FAM?
[08:56] <pc19> well in return i can help other noobs
[08:56] <anacron> Madpilot: i know, but that doesn't make noob anyhow cool
[08:56] <AvatarofVirgo> I had to set it to use gdm instead of kdm. When I forgot to do that and rebooted after removing kde it started up in windowmaker and I freaked out.
[08:56] <Madpilot> anacron: true, but at least here we don't savage the poor creatures
[08:57] <f_newton> is this going to become infected with l33t losers?
[08:57] <benplaut> !yawn
[08:57] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, benplaut
[08:57] <pc19> all begin with a single step
[08:57] <anacron> Madpilot: yeah, otherwise i wouldn't use ubuntu
[08:58] <yaya> I have my wireless setup, but everytime I boot I have to dhclient, how can I add wlan0 to my default dhclient at boot?
[08:58] <yaya> it doesn't automatically try to fetch an ip for my wireless, only for my lan
[08:58] <AvatarofVirgo> I take it ubuntu works fine on most IBM thinkpads?
[08:59] <AvatarofVirgo> When I get a notebook I may be going with IBM.
[08:59] <hyphenated> AvatarofVirgo: the important thing is whether it works on yours :-)
[08:59] <AvatarofVirgo> My notebook or my desktop?
[08:59] <AvatarofVirgo> I don't have a notebook.
[08:59] <hyphenated> I didn't like the last IBM laptop I saw. 'twas rather ugly
[09:00] <AvatarofVirgo> I don't care how it looks I care that it works.
[09:00] <anacron> AvatarofVirgo: if you wan't to help ubuntu, then buy a laptop what you really wan't to buy, not ibm
[09:00] <AvatarofVirgo> Ok, where can I get some really cheap ones at?
[09:01] <Dr_Willis> I got a Cheap Compaq V3211us
[09:01] <Dr_Willis> about $500 or so :P
[09:01] <Dr_Willis> after rebates
[09:01] <AvatarofVirgo> What site?
[09:01] <AvatarofVirgo> Never mind.
[09:01] <AvatarofVirgo> I hate damn rebates.
[09:01] <Dr_Willis> got it at Bestbuy :
[09:01] <AvatarofVirgo> Those things are evil.
[09:01] <Dr_Willis> oh wah.. cant spend 5 min- to get back $200
[09:02] <Dr_Willis> poor thing. :P
[09:02] <AvatarofVirgo> Ae hell, I hate best buy. I don't shop there any more.
[09:02] <Dr_Willis> Heh - best buy has been very good to me..
[09:02] <Dr_Willis> actually their price was 200 BELOW the Hp.com sites price.. then they had the rebates.
[09:02] <Poromies> I've been quite happy with my Acer Aspire 5024WLMi, everything works great with linux (though one needs to get kernel ..6.12 to get the chipset and DMA fully working), price is somewhere around 1100 or so
[09:02] <billytwowilly> why is mysql so broken in ubuntu?
[09:02] <Dr_Willis> that laptop has less then perfect linux support at the moment however.
[09:02] <AvatarofVirgo> It's not a matter of time, it's a matter of ops we didn't get in the mail so you don't get your money.
[09:02] <Dr_Willis> :P
[09:03] <Dr_Willis> AvatarofVirgo, last time - i got the rebates twice. :P
[09:03] <Dr_Willis> they also frogot to ring up the docking station... $200 mistake they made.
[09:04] <Dr_Willis> i dident even notice till 2 months later.
[09:04] <pc19> what abt java plug in? whats the name of the package to apt get
[09:04] <AvatarofVirgo> Most of the time I did to, but I'd rather not gamble with my money with retard rebates, I just assume get the same thing some where else with out the rebate and not have my time wasted by a marketing scam.
[09:04] <cafuego> !java
[09:04] <ubotu> rumour has it, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[09:04] <cafuego> pc19: Chekc the url ubotu just said
[09:05] <AvatarofVirgo> Often times I been finding just as good hard where for a fraction of the price (even after there rebates) from online sites.
[09:05] <anacron> i did make new partition yesterday, now do i have to mount it to make it work? and how can i chech which one it is in /dev/hd*
[09:05] <AvatarofVirgo> newegg has some good stuff for low prices.
[09:05] <Dr_Willis> welli heard that Hp.com had the same thing cheaper.. when i checked . the local store beat them by a good $150 or so,
[09:06] <pc19> E: Couldn't find package sun-j2re1.5
[09:06] <Dr_Willis> but really for a Linux laptop - it pays to do some research and NOT get the 'newest' thing out.
[09:06] <AvatarofVirgo> Yeah.
[09:06] <Dr_Willis> my Emachine 6800 had fairly decent linux support.
[09:06] <Dr_Willis> but egads it was huge...
[09:06] <Dr_Willis> decent for games :P
[09:07] <Dr_Willis> sucked for battery life.
[09:07] <AvatarofVirgo> I don't need the the newest thing but it would be nice to have at least 1 hz or higher cpu with 512 ram.
[09:07] <Madpilot> !tell pc19 about repos
[09:07] <AvatarofVirgo> I mean ghz.
[09:07] <AvatarofVirgo> Ops.
[09:07] <Dr_Willis> this CompaqV3211 has that Turion CPU at 1.6 ghz.
[09:07] <Madpilot> pc19: ubotu will have just sent you a msg - that's what you need to do to find the JRE package
[09:08] <Dr_Willis> oops V2311us
[09:08] <pc19> ok
[09:08] <Dr_Willis> but for a linux laptop - i cant recommend it - yet.
[09:08] <Dr_Willis> for a CHEAP laptop for the kids to take to school/college to do homework.. :P yes.
[09:09] <Dr_Willis> night all
[09:09] <f_newton> Dr_Willis, this dell inspiron 3800 with a 600 celeron and 256 meg and 10gig hdd does really well with most linux distros
[09:10] <AvatarofVirgo> I'd like to get a cheap lap top with a wifi card, I'm not that concern with cd/dvd conbo's. I just assume use wifi, usb drives, or some othe form of network access. I'd like to avoid using removable media.
[09:10] <AvatarofVirgo> Good night Dr_Willis.
[09:12] <weirdcreep> how do iget svn
[09:12] <Amaranth> !info subversion
[09:12] <ubotu> subversion: (Advanced version control system (aka. svn)), section devel, is optional. Version: 1.1.1-2ubuntu3 (hoary), Packaged size: 953 kB, Installed size: 3072 kB
[09:12] <weirdcreep> !info subversion
[09:12] <Amaranth> ack, don't do it again
[09:12] <weirdcreep> lol
[09:13] <Amaranth> install the subversion package
[09:13] <AvatarofVirgo> ACER AS3002LCi NoteBook Mobile Sempron AMD2800+ 15.0" XGA 256MB DDR333 40GB 4200rpm DVD/CD-RW Combo SiS Mirage 2 - Retail $629.00
[09:13] <AvatarofVirgo> Does that work?
[09:14] <AvatarofVirgo> Or are there sites with any thing cheaper?
[09:14] <f_newton> AvatarofVirgo, i think you can find a better laptop for around the same money dude
[09:14] <f_newton> acer is not your most uh reliable brand
[09:14] <Amaranth> AvatarofVirgo: You get what you pay for.
[09:14] <AvatarofVirgo> What is a reliable brand?
[09:16] <AvatarofVirgo> I've never had a notebook, so some good advice would be helpful.
[09:16] <f_newton> AvatarofVirgo, you can get, for example, a completely refurbished or new dell 1 gig laptop for under 500\
[09:16] <AvatarofVirgo> On the dell site or from a 3rd source?
[09:16] <f_newton> third party source... or ebay sellers with lotz of stars
[09:16] <f_newton> AvatarofVirgo, you live near one of the best dell outlet stores on the planet
[09:16] <f_newton> you in round rock area?
[09:16] <AvatarofVirgo> Cedar Park.
[09:16] <f_newton> know where round rock is?
[09:16] <AvatarofVirgo> Yeah.
[09:16] <f_newton> thats dell
[09:17] <AvatarofVirgo> Cool.
[09:17] <AvatarofVirgo> All this time and it was right there.
[09:17] <f_newton> now... I would look on the net if I were you..do a search for decent brands you can depend on like ibm toshiba or dell
[09:17] <benplaut> go for an IBM
[09:17] <benplaut> (or, now, Lenovo)
[09:17] <AvatarofVirgo> IBM had some used ones on there site, I saw one in there in the $500's.
[09:17] <benplaut> !thinkpad
[09:17] <ubotu> benplaut: I haven't a clue
[09:18] <nox> fujitsu is great too.
[09:18] <f_newton> new ibms are made in china ... I would not get a new ibm
[09:18] <f_newton> no telling what kind of hardware you are gonna get
[09:18] <benplaut> i don't think they're made there yet
[09:18] <f_newton> been for three years
[09:18] <benplaut> ?!
[09:18] <benplaut> well, mine is just safe, then :)
[09:18] <f_newton> before that I would recommend ibm first and foremost
[09:19] <f_newton> and the chinese build a good product
[09:19] <f_newton> its just that you cant depend on what periphriels they may use
[09:19] <f_newton> and they cheat a lot
[09:19] <Burgundavia> f_newton, the old ibms were also made in china. Nothing much has changed
[09:20] <benplaut> he
[09:20] <benplaut> here you go, hot off the woot!
[09:20] <benplaut> http://www.woot.com/
[09:20] <f_newton> uh my ibm was NOT made in china
[09:20] <Burgundavia> some are made in Mexico
[09:20] <ompaul> a note for anyone interested restoring desktop icons - ps auwx | grep bono and kill -9 that process
[09:20] <rendi> sudo umount floppy
[09:20] <rendi> umount: /home/admin/Desktop/floppy: device is busy
[09:20] <f_newton> but ibm controlled the parts that went inside now there is no such control
[09:20] <rendi> help me anyone
[09:20] <rendi> how to umount da
[09:20] <AvatarofVirgo> It could be worst it could have been made in antartica.
[09:21] <Burgundavia> f_newton, nothing much is going to change. Anyway, this is totally offtopicd
[09:21] <f_newton> yeah it is off topic...
[09:21] <f_newton> do some research AvatarofVirgo before you buy
[09:21] <AvatarofVirgo> I'm on the dell site now, I haven't found any used ones yet.
[09:23] <f_newton> not on the dell site you wont
[09:23] <AvatarofVirgo> Oh.
[09:23] <f_newton> they try to sell new stuff there but dell has a 30 day return policy and once it is returned it cant be sold as new anymore
[09:23] <ompaul> rendi, you have some terminal open with cd /media/floppy0 in it ? if so cd / and then umount if not you can risk corrupting the disk with umount -f /media/floppy0
[09:23] <f_newton> they send them to outlets
[09:23] <rendi> ok i'l try
[09:23] <AvatarofVirgo> Holly crap.
[09:23] <ompaul> holly the bush?
[09:23] <AvatarofVirgo> IBM Certified Used Notebook T21 (8AU)
[09:23] <AvatarofVirgo> Sale price*<font size="3"> </font>
[09:23] <AvatarofVirgo> <font size="3"> $481.50 </font>
[09:23] <AvatarofVirgo> Ops.
[09:23] <AvatarofVirgo> Sorry.
[09:23] <AvatarofVirgo> Hold on.
[09:23] <benplaut> go to www.woot.com
[09:23] <AvatarofVirgo> http://www-132.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=8586356&storeId=1&langId=-1&categoryId=2576396&dualCurrId=73&catalogId=-840
[09:24] <AvatarofVirgo> Ok.
[09:24] <benplaut> they have a t22 for 405 shipped
[09:24] <benplaut> tonight only, so jump on it!
[09:24] <rendi> wha tabout this
[09:24] <rendi> umount: /dev/fd0 mount disagrees with the fstab
[09:24] <rendi> doh
[09:24] <PurpleMotion> Hai, fsckers!
[09:24] <ompaul> rendi, do this 'mount' and what does it say about what ever your doing
[09:25] <rendi> okay i got this
[09:25] <rendi> /dev/fd0 on /home/admin/Desktop/floppy type vfat (rw)
[09:25] <PurpleMotion> why in gods name would you mount it inside your home dir?
[09:25] <PurpleMotion> try /dev/fd0 on /mnt/floppy type vfat (rw)
[09:26] <rendi> ?
[09:26] <ompaul> rendi, that is not good :) umount -f /home/admin/Desktop/floppy
[09:26] <rendi> with umount
[09:26] <rendi> any suggest ??
[09:26] <PurpleMotion> umount /dev/fd0 && mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy
[09:26] <PurpleMotion> that'll fix you
[09:26] <rendi> i'm try now
[09:27] <f_newton> AvatarofVirgo, that one would be perfect for you
[09:27] <PurpleMotion> make sure you dont have it open when you umount
[09:27] <AvatarofVirgo> The one I listed?
[09:27] <rendi> same trouble
[09:27] <rendi> $ umount /dev/fd0 && mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 floppy
[09:27] <rendi> umount: /dev/fd0 mount disagrees with the fstab
[09:27] <f_newton> the one benp
[09:27] <rendi> heheh
[09:27] <f_newton> argh the one benplaut listed
[09:27] <AvatarofVirgo> Oh, ok.
[09:28] <yaya> how do I add a timeout to my lan card trying to get an ipaddress at boot?
[09:28] <PurpleMotion> damndamn that's not a bad little laptop
[09:28] <PurpleMotion> rendi: sudo pico /etc/fstab
[09:28] <PurpleMotion> and change it to /mnt/floppy
[09:28] <PurpleMotion> and set type to vfat
[09:28] <benplaut> it's a great deal, aswell
[09:28] <PurpleMotion> or auto would be even better
[09:29] <PurpleMotion> that way you could put any kind of formatted floppy in..
[09:29] <benplaut> but it'll be gone soon, so order now, or forever hold your peices
[09:29] <seife`> Hi need help
[09:29] <PurpleMotion> then you control it with: mount /dev/fd0
[09:29] <benplaut> Hi will help
[09:29] <f_newton> benplaut, there will be more
[09:29] <seife`> I would like to know what this font is http://www.osnews.com/img/8398/ubuntu.png? and how to get it.
[09:29] <nox> PurpleMotion, you managed to play mp4 files already?
[09:29] <PurpleMotion> or: mount /mnt/floppy
[09:29] <PurpleMotion> nox: hell no
[09:29] <benplaut> f_newton: do you know how woot operates?
[09:29] <PurpleMotion> and im pissed about it, but i can just share the file and watch it in the living room :D
[09:30] <PurpleMotion> so screw it, it's not worth that kind of energy
[09:30] <rendi> i have done
[09:30] <rendi> with this
[09:30] <PurpleMotion> i think it might be the format of the files
[09:30] <seife`> Is anyone answering my question?
[09:30] <rendi> see my fstab
[09:30] <rendi> /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0
[09:30] <PurpleMotion> there ya go
[09:30] <seife`> hello?
[09:30] <f_newton> not really but I see them all over the web... there is a guy using one of my web sites to save the pics for his ebay offering www.americanwanderer.com I think he wants about 4 for that one
[09:30] <benplaut> seife`: the pic is loading... a sec
[09:31] <PurpleMotion> now you can: mount /media/floppy0 -or- mount /dev/fd0
[09:31] <PurpleMotion> and umount either as well
[09:31] <f_newton> personally I prefer dells but I do like ibms
[09:31] <Seveas> seife`, that looks like the standard font....
[09:31] <benplaut> seife`: it would appear to simply be Sans
[09:31] <seife`> ok, whats the standard one in Ubuntu?
[09:31] <benplaut> Sans
[09:32] <seife`> ok
[09:32] <seife`> what size?
[09:32] <benplaut> umm
[09:32] <rendi> before thta i cd to Desktop and do this
[09:32] <rendi> umount -t vfat /dev/fd0 floppy
[09:32] <benplaut> 10?
[09:32] <rendi> and now can't umount
[09:32] <Seveas> seife`, http://ubuntulinux.nl/~dennis/screenshot.png
[09:32] <Madpilot> 10 point for everything
[09:32] <PurpleMotion> f_newton: you can kill that action real quick. turn off referrers, or ban people coming from ebay
[09:33] <shesh> where to get this?
[09:33] <rendi> umount: /media/floppy0 is not mounted (according to mtab)
[09:33] <seife`> ok, now where do i download that sans font
[09:33] <rendi> duh
[09:33] <benplaut> seife`: it's included by default
[09:33] <Madpilot> seife`: it's included with Ubuntu
[09:33] <PurpleMotion> i guess you could really tweak it, and only ban people requesting images who are coming from ebay
[09:33] <floppyears> hi
[09:33] <floppyears> how can I take a look at the arp and routing table in my linux box ?
[09:33] <PurpleMotion> rendi: now, umount /dev/fd0 && mount /dev/fd0
[09:34] <seife`> I dont have Ubuntu
[09:34] <seife`> I have windows
[09:34] <seife`> I want that font in windows
[09:34] <rendi> same purple
[09:34] <rendi> umount: /dev/fd0 mount disagrees with the fstab
[09:34] <rendi> !_!
[09:34] <ubotu> rendi: Are you smoking crack?
[09:34] <Seveas> floppyears, route
[09:34] <PurpleMotion> seife`: sorry to hear it :)
[09:34] <action09> hi all
[09:35] <floppyears> Seveas: thanks
[09:35] <action09> anyone know how can i modify options ( geometry) on vino vncserver ? and optionnaly hwo can i restart x manually please ?
[09:35] <PurpleMotion> rendi: type mount
[09:35] <seife`> where
[09:35] <PurpleMotion> show me the line for the floppy drive
[09:35] <rendi> $ mount
[09:35] <rendi> /dev/fd0 on /home/admin/Desktop/floppy type vfat (rw)
[09:35] <PurpleMotion> okay
[09:36] <PurpleMotion> sudo umount /dev/fd0
[09:36] <PurpleMotion> then
[09:36] <PurpleMotion> paste to me the floppy drive line in /etc/fstab
[09:36] <rendi> wait
[09:36] <benplaut> seife`: i guess you'll just have to get Ubuntu :)
[09:36] <rendi> it says
[09:36] <rendi> bussy
[09:36] <rendi> umount: /home/admin/Desktop/floppy: device is busy
[09:36] <Seveas> rendi, the close all windows having that folder open
[09:37] <rendi> i'm close all
[09:37] <PurpleMotion> do you have a terminal open in that folder? or do you have it open somewhere on your desktop? do you have a file in it open? close anything that might have to do with that floppy drive
[09:37] <seife`> I want to install Ubuntu
[09:37] <PurpleMotion> then
[09:37] <seife`> But i know nothing about linux :\
[09:37] <Seveas> rendi, what does 'lsof /home/admin/Desktop/floppy' say
[09:37] <rendi> i have do that
[09:37] <Seveas> seife`, that's ok, Ubuntu is great for beginners
[09:37] <floppyears> Seveas: then ubuntu is a good choice
[09:37] <PurpleMotion> sudo umount /dev/fd0
[09:37] <PurpleMotion> yeah
[09:37] <benplaut> seife`: neither did we, when we started
[09:37] <PurpleMotion> if it's open, it's busy
[09:38] <Seveas> floppyears, I know ;)
[09:38] <PurpleMotion> if you're int hat directory, it's busy
[09:38] <rendi> Seveas gam_serve 6784 admin 65r DIR 2,0 7168 1 /home/admin/Desktop/floppy
[09:38] <Seveas> I installed it a year ago :)
[09:38] <PurpleMotion> so you have to get out of it
[09:38] <Seveas> rendi, argh, gamin strikes again...
[09:38] <seife`> What u have to learn?
[09:38] <Seveas> rendi, sudo kill 6784
[09:38] <Seveas> and then retry
[09:38] <floppyears> Seveas: sorry, I should've sent that to seife`
[09:38] <floppyears> seife`: go to the ubuntu homepage and download the iso.
[09:39] <PurpleMotion> whats gamin?
[09:39] <benplaut> seife`: nothing except a bit of common sense about backing up :P
[09:39] <Seveas> floppyears, I understanda that, looked funnt though :)
[09:39] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, the thing that monitors file modifications
[09:39] <PurpleMotion> gotchya
[09:39] <PurpleMotion> sometimes gets a little stuck?
[09:39] <floppyears> seife`: you will learn enough to not wanting to go back
[09:39] <Madpilot> seife`: you can download a LiveCD - it runs without touching your harddrive, so you can try Ubuntu out
[09:39] <PurpleMotion> you can even install from it
[09:39] <rendi> i have kill that
[09:39] <rendi> and then
[09:39] <PurpleMotion> you have all the tools
[09:40] <PurpleMotion> rendi: mount /dev/fd0
[09:40] <Seveas> no, first unmount :)
[09:40] <PurpleMotion> oh that wasnt the mount
[09:40] <rendi> lol
[09:40] <PurpleMotion> sudo umount /dev/fd0
[09:40] <PurpleMotion> it was the process keeping the umount at bay
[09:41] <action09> no idea formy vino ? :(
[09:41] <rendi> clear
[09:41] <rendi> thengkyu all
[09:41] <rendi> :)
[09:41] <PurpleMotion> netime :)
[09:41] <action09> is it the same behavior than vncserver ..
[09:42] <benplaut> i've g2g2school tomorrow, g'night everyone
[09:42] <benplaut> summer is over :(
[09:43] <seife`> really?
[09:43] <seife`> u guys think if a install ubuntu and learn some, i would not back to windows?
[09:43] <Burgundavia> seife`, yes
[09:43] <Madpilot> seife`: probably. I'm never taking my home machine back!
[09:43] <floppyears> seife`: absolutely. It has so many advantages over windows
[09:43] <Seveas> seife`, lots of people preceed you in that :)
[09:44] <seife> cool
[09:44] <f_newton> seife`, I would venture to say yes... you may not stick with ubuntu although it appears to be a fine gui based debian distro, but u will probably remain with a nix type os
[09:44] <seife> I can do the same things in Ubuntu that the things i do in windows?
[09:44] <Madpilot> true, but I've become an actual convert since then... ;)
[09:44] <f_newton> and a whole lot more
[09:44] <floppyears> seife: yes
[09:44] <floppyears> and many more
[09:45] <seife> what more
[09:45] <seife> :|
[09:45] <Madpilot> seife: have a quick look here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant
[09:45] <seife> cool
[09:45] <f_newton> seife, there are many linux distros, several bsd distros, and even the genuine unix distros
[09:46] <f_newton> with windows all you get is .... windows and that is pretty bland once you see what is really available
[09:46] <ictus> hi all
[09:46] <seife> cool
[09:46] <f_newton> or you can be trolling for the infamous b gates seife
[09:47] <mp1> I'm having trouble mounting a windows Hdd, I've forgotten which file it is in /dev since I re-installed My mtab/fstab aren't right... What's the easiest way to find the hdd ?
[09:47] <efigyidol> does the default install of xorg have opengl enabled?
[09:47] <elwood> mp1 cfdisk and search for win fs
[09:47] <Burgundavia> seife, nothing we are going to say is going to convince you to switch. The best way is to simply try it out yourself
[09:47] <PurpleMotion> you ever just be sitting there and an idea pops into your head that will actually make you a LOT of money?
[09:48] <seife> the question is
[09:48] <seife> i install all my programs
[09:48] <seife> and ubuntu will fuck up right?
[09:48] <seife> and why i have to fix it via console :/
[09:48] <f_newton> lol
[09:48] <PurpleMotion> *uNF*
[09:48] <f_newton> sit down PurpleMotion its been done
[09:49] <f_newton> lol
[09:49] <PurpleMotion> seife: Because you need to learn and get comfortable with the command line anyways.
[09:49] <Seveas> seife, why would Ubuntu fuck up?
[09:49] <PurpleMotion> f_newton: yeah, but ive only seen two or three in movies like this.. im gonna make like 300 of them and sell them
[09:49] <PurpleMotion> :D
[09:49] <f_newton> seife, I hardly ever use the cli anymore
[09:49] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, not true, Ubunut goes a long way to make everything available via the GUI
[09:49] <PurpleMotion> Seveas: blasphemy
[09:49] <Burgundavia> PurpleMotion, Ubuntu's goal is to make certain that if you don't want to use the CLI, you don't have to
[09:49] <Madpilot> seife: you probably won't have to install much. there's lots and lots of stuff already installed
[09:50] <PurpleMotion> what's the point if they dont learn.. we want to convert windows users, we dont want windows users
[09:50] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, nonsense....
[09:50] <PurpleMotion> not to me it isn't
[09:50] <Seveas> well, to Ubuntu it is...
[09:50] <f_newton> PurpleMotion, who is this we yoda?
[09:50] <mp1> elwood: when I run cfdisk it goes to a flashcard I had mounted, I umounted, ejected that and now it says "fatal error: Cannot open disk drive..."
[09:50] <PurpleMotion> I love ubuntu, it's the best thing to happen to debian since knoppix
[09:50] <f_newton> the purpose of linux is NO
[09:51] <PurpleMotion> *shrug*
[09:51] <f_newton> ugh nOT To build and army of ms haters
[09:51] <PurpleMotion> nonono
[09:51] <PurpleMotion> and i dont hate ms at all
[09:51] <seife> how many space it needs?
[09:51] <seife> more than 5GB
[09:51] <seife> i just have 5GB on my d:\ idisk
[09:51] <f_newton> its to offer a viable alternative to the closed minded I know whats best for you attitude of microsoft
[09:51] <PurpleMotion> but, i can't stand people who dont know how and dont want to learn how.
[09:51] <Seveas> seife, not if you just want to test it
[09:51] <f_newton> well thats your hang up
[09:51] <Seveas> 5gb is more than enough for the default environment
[09:52] <f_newton> get over it
[09:52] <PurpleMotion> last year, i taught my mom how to navigate a filesystem
[09:52] <f_newton> kewl
[09:52] <PurpleMotion> she's had a computer for twelve years
[09:52] <PurpleMotion> lemme say that again
[09:52] <PurpleMotion> last year, i taught my mom how to navigate a filesystem
[09:52] <PurpleMotion> she's had a computer for twelve years
[09:52] <Madpilot> seife: the default install of Ubuntu is about 1.7Gb
[09:52] <PurpleMotion> but she was willing to learn how :)
[09:52] <seife> and it comes with all programs installed?
[09:52] <PurpleMotion> she found thousands of files she didnt know she still had
[09:53] <f_newton> most every thing you will ever need seife
[09:53] <Burgundavia> PurpleMotion, computers should not be so difficult to use that need training
[09:53] <Seveas> seife, it comes with a complete office-browser-mail-internet suite installed
[09:53] <gwxnei001> nu
[09:53] <PurpleMotion> Burgundavia: it doesnt mean you shouldnt learn it, though
[09:53] <f_newton> If you do need more you can install it simply and easily via apt-get or synaptic
[09:53] <seife> cool
[09:53] <seife> can i install programs like macromedia there?
[09:53] <seife> or microsoft word?
[09:53] <PurpleMotion> everyone should posess at least basic skills
[09:53] <Madpilot> seife: see the big chart on the bottom of that WindowsUsers URL I gave you, it'll give you some idea of what you can do with Ubuntu
[09:53] <f_newton> PurpleMotion, users learn as they go along at their pace
[09:54] <Seveas> seife, you can install flash
[09:54] <Madpilot> seife: for MSWord, use OpenOffice
[09:54] <PurpleMotion> filesystem navigation, basic maintenance, basic troubleshooting
[09:54] <Seveas> seife, and a replacement for word is installed by default
[09:54] <seife> oh ok
[09:54] <PurpleMotion> if you aren't willing to learn these simple things the first time you sit down to a computer, then you should not be on one.
[09:54] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, do you know how to troubleshoot your tv
[09:54] <Seveas> ?
[09:54] <PurpleMotion> to a degree
[09:54] <PurpleMotion> i read the manual
[09:54] <seife> woah so
[09:54] <seife> if u guys says that
[09:54] <seife> ubuntu is great
[09:54] <seife> !
[09:54] <ubotu> seife: Bugger all, i dunno
[09:55] <Seveas> right, but not to the degree users must know how to troubleshoot computers
[09:55] <PurpleMotion> yeah, ubuntu rocks
[09:55] <Seveas> so computers still fail :)
[09:55] <seife> what ubuntu command line skillz do i need
[09:55] <Seveas> seife, virtually none
[09:55] <Madpilot> seife: minimal.
[09:55] <PurpleMotion> the most basic of troubleshooting skills, though.. reboot, start with a log, boot from recover cd, etc
[09:55] <f_newton> firefox/ubuntu has a big time bug in crashing when trying to clear the certificate screen
[09:55] <PurpleMotion> everyone should have those
[09:55] <PurpleMotion> they're pretty easy to learn
[09:56] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, not really :)
[09:56] <PurpleMotion> and they save tons of time down the road when you fubar it.
[09:56] <Seveas> it's all too unintuitive
[09:56] <PurpleMotion> blah we're not going to see eye on this one, m8.. let's agree to disagree
[09:56] <seife> woah
[09:56] <Seveas> :)
[09:56] <seife> I dont know how to do those things
[09:57] <seife> like start with a log
[09:57] <f_newton> yes PurpleMotion you are correct in that
[09:57] <seife> or boot from recover cd lol
[09:57] <floppyears> seife: you will learn things as you need them. That's how most of us have learned what we know
[09:57] <PurpleMotion> .o(but I know there's people in here sittin at their computers goin 'yeah, ain't it the truth' ;) i really will shutup now )
[09:57] <whitefang> how do i install a .tgz with dpkg?
[09:57] <Seveas> whitefang, not.
[09:57] <liran_> i forgot, how do you open up .bz2 files?
[09:58] <whitefang> its meant to be installed that way though
[09:58] <floppyears> liran_: tar -xjvf
[09:58] <Seveas> liran_, with the archive manager or what floppyears said
[09:58] <Seveas> whitefang, is it a slackware package?
[09:58] <liran_> ahh right
[09:58] <liran_> and z is for gzip
[09:58] <whitefang> Seveas, possibly
[09:58] <liran_> i always confuse the two
[09:58] <Seveas> whitefang, alien might help in that case
[09:59] <whitefang> ls
[09:59] <whitefang> oops
[09:59] <seife> One question, Gimp comes with fonts?
[09:59] <c3101> can alien convert slack to deb ?
[09:59] <Madpilot> seife: Ubuntu comes with some very nice fonts
[09:59] <floppyears> c3101: I think so
[09:59] <seife> No
[09:59] <seife> Im in Gimp
[09:59] <seife> I have the font Sans there
[10:00] <floppyears> seife: you can install more fonts later if you need them.
[10:00] <Madpilot> seife: GIMP in Windows? no idea, sorry. sounds like it does
[10:00] <f_newton> gimp is gnome image manipulation program
[10:00] <seife> But i look into the c:\root\.gimp-2.2.\fonts\ and there is no sans.ttf
[10:00] <hussam> I might change monitors sometime this summer. how do I reconfigure X.conf for the new monitor? ( current one is detected correctly )
[10:00] <seife> I want sans font ARGGG
[10:00] <f_newton> gimp is very powerful if you know how to use it
[10:00] <hussam> or is reconfigured automatically on reboot ?
[10:00] <seife> Yes, Gimp > ALl
[10:00] <whitefang> its a debian .tgz actually.
[10:00] <luminerd> can anyone tell me something to choose FC4 over Ubuntu for a fast, quick setup I need it on 25 computers by wednesday morning!!
[10:00] <luminerd> or
[10:00] <luminerd> visa versa
[10:00] <Madpilot> seife: i think it's called freesans.ttf
[10:00] <seife> ok
[10:01] <f_newton> whitefang if you have the cds for fedora do a net install on all the machines at once
[10:01] <Madpilot> there's a whole Sans family of fonts
[10:01] <liran_> whats the package name for JRE? cause synaptic cant find it
[10:01] <Burgundavia> luminerd, either will work, but Ubuntu tends to have better security support
[10:01] <Belutz> it would be nice if there is an icon for spreadubuntu.com so i cut put it in my blog :D
[10:01] <f_newton> sorry whitefang I mean luminerd
[10:02] <Burgundavia> luminerd, both installers support kickstart, if you need the same thing on each machine
[10:02] <Burgundavia> liran_, you need hoary-extras
[10:02] <Burgundavia> liran_, see wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[10:02] <luminerd> Burgundavia, well, not too worried about security and I'll probably be using a program to make an iso out of the system I configure
[10:02] <liran_> ok willdo
[10:02] <luminerd> Burgundavia, kickstart?
[10:02] <Burgundavia> luminerd, the upgrade path is better for Ubuntu
[10:02] <f_newton> luminerd, you need to be internet connected to do a good job with ubuntu
[10:02] <seife> can anyone send me sans.ttf
[10:03] <Burgundavia> luminerd, http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/KickStart-HOWTO.html
[10:03] <luminerd> f_newton, dang, it needs that much maintenence?
[10:03] <f_newton> I take it you found your machines
[10:03] <ompaul> luminerd, what are these machines to be used for?
[10:03] <f_newton> no no no its a single iso install disk
[10:03] <Burgundavia> luminerd, not really
[10:03] <f_newton> a small school]
[10:03] <luminerd> I have net on the one machine
[10:03] <Madpilot> Belutz: design some icons for Ubuntu!
[10:03] <Burgundavia> f_newton, any modern distro does better if you are connected to the internet
[10:03] <luminerd> but I won't on all the other clients for a few days. I need them all set up well before that
[10:03] <f_newton> Burgundavia, you are full of it
[10:03] <luminerd> Burgundavia, well, slackware's alright on its own :P
[10:03] <Belutz> Madpilot: that's the thing... i'm very not good at designing
[10:04] <Oniano|iBook> has anybody compiled a kernel for an ICH5 chipset with SATA support?
[10:04] <Burgundavia> f_newton, please remember the ubuntu code of conduct
[10:04] <f_newton> you are spreading rumor and preference as truth
[10:04] <PurpleMotion> Oniano|iBook: why dont you compile one?
[10:04] <f_newton> Burgundavia, DONT EXPECT ME TO LET YOU LIE
[10:04] <Oniano|iBook> i've tried
[10:04] <PurpleMotion> and?
[10:04] <Burgundavia> f_newton, I have used both and found fedora to come up short in some areas that Ubuntu shines in. Upgrade path is one of those
[10:04] <Oniano|iBook> doesn't work
[10:05] <PurpleMotion> aroo?
[10:05] <PurpleMotion> what do you mean, it doesnt work??
[10:05] <PurpleMotion> what does it do?
[10:05] <c3101> what part don;t work Oniano|iBook ?
[10:05] <f_newton> Burgundavia, I really am not interested in much that youve said once you tried to convince someone that a single disk iso install of a 2 to 7 gig os will be adequate
[10:05] <Oniano|iBook> its definitely to do with the SATA modules
[10:06] <Burgundavia> f_newton, huh?
[10:06] <PurpleMotion> are you compiling the modules too?
[10:06] <PurpleMotion> wtf are you on about, f_newton?
[10:06] <c3101> have you enabled SCSI support Oniano|iBook ?
[10:06] <f_newton> Burgundavia, the ubuntu os needs internet connectivity to fully install except for very basic packages
[10:06] <Oniano|iBook> i'm not sure which modules exactly to compile..but i know they need to be compiled into the kernel
[10:06] <Burgundavia> f_newton, umm, no it does not
[10:06] <ompaul> luminerd, well if you look at what you are trying to do I would suggest that with either (and I would prefer ubuntu) but set up the first machine (on the net) fully then burn the needed extras onto a CD then set each of the machines up using two CDs, however that is your call, your in for a lot of work but it would be easier with Ubuntu with the apt system
[10:06] <PurpleMotion> f_newton: that's not true at all.
[10:06] <Draucon> what's a good minimalist rss/atom aggregator
[10:07] <Seveas> Draucon, blam
[10:07] <PurpleMotion> f_newton: ubuntu installs quite a robust system right from the CD
[10:07] <Burgundavia> Draucon, you might want to try blam or liferea
[10:07] <Oniano|iBook> Draucon, bloglines.com ;)
[10:07] <ompaul> luminerd, are all machines the same physical build?
[10:07] <luminerd> ompaul, not willing to do that
[10:07] <Draucon> thanks Seveas... i've tried liferea.. i just want something that sits in the system tray and tells me when things are updated
[10:07] <luminerd> all I'm going to do is set the one machine up with everything it needs
[10:07] <Choubaka> What is Ubuntu missing when it's installed fresh from the CD?
[10:07] <PurpleMotion> you get a complete and well-complimented desktop with every app you need and a few they thought you'd like
[10:08] <luminerd> then I will use a program to make an iso or a few out of EVERYTHING on the system
[10:08] <Burgundavia> Choubaka, some things they cannot legally install
[10:08] <luminerd> and then duplicate it to all the others
[10:08] <Choubaka> Burgundavia: I know that.
[10:08] <luminerd> ompaul, yea, they are all exactly the same
[10:08] <Choubaka> Burgundavia: I was interested in f_newton's opinion in particular.
[10:08] <PurpleMotion> is that supposed to be chewbacca?
[10:08] <ompaul> luminerd, well then dd if your friend :)
[10:08] <Choubaka> PurpleMotion: no.
[10:08] <PurpleMotion> ok
[10:08] <PurpleMotion> just askin.. looks like it sounds the same
[10:08] <f_newton> ok what kind of algorithm are they using that allows them to pack so much data in 585 megs ?
[10:08] <luminerd> ompaul, huh?
[10:09] <ompaul> dd is a copy program
[10:09] <Choubaka> PurpleMotion: If you're English :)
[10:09] <c3101> f_newton : c_loop ?
[10:09] <PurpleMotion> fair enough.
[10:09] <Burgundavia> f_newton, default install is 1.7 gb
[10:09] <Seveas> f_newton, shared libraries :)
[10:09] <Choubaka> f_newton: you want more data?
[10:09] <Seveas> f_newton, and it's not new
[10:09] <Seveas> just something windows isn't too good at
[10:09] <Choubaka> isn't that bloat.
[10:10] <Choubaka> Tell me, is it missing any features?
[10:10] <luminerd> ompaul, I see
[10:10] <Choubaka> Besides those that would be illegal to include on the CD, of course.
[10:10] <f_newton> I installed ubuntu this morning... it loaded my basic from the cd and then downloaded hundreds of meg more from the internet ... I just used a default install
[10:11] <Choubaka> f_newton: Yes.
[10:11] <Madpilot> Choubaka: aside from Flash & Java - which would be illegal - it's pretty complete in 1.7Gb...
[10:11] <PurpleMotion> f_newton: knoppix has been doing it for years with their live cd (which btw installed into a VERY nice distro right up till about 3.9
[10:11] <Choubaka> IT upgraded itsel.
[10:11] <luminerd> So Kubuntu IS ubuntu, right, just with kde?
[10:11] <Burgundavia> luminerd, yes
[10:11] <Choubaka> It*
[10:11] <PurpleMotion> it's called on-the-fly decompression
[10:11] <Burgundavia> luminerd, say repos
[10:11] <Seveas> luminerd, correct
[10:11] <Burgundavia> luminerd, same, even
[10:11] <f_newton> a hundred to one?
[10:11] <ompaul> luminerd, go with ubuntu, build machine one, get a live CD and use the dd program to boot the machine then use dd to copy data from one from one disk to another so that you have no issues with file locks and all boxes will be exactly the same - be aware that this means that all users will have the same access to all machines unless you populate the machines seperately
[10:11] <Choubaka> f_newton: a fresh windows installation downloads about the same amount of data.
[10:11] <PurpleMotion> 3.9 pissed me off so bad i switched to ubuntu
[10:11] <Choubaka> SP1, SP2, drivers and updates.
[10:11] <PurpleMotion> and i havent looked back
[10:12] <f_newton> a win xp install is 1.2 gig complete
[10:12] <Choubaka> and then some necessary applications you have to download from all around the net.
[10:12] <f_newton> until updates
[10:12] <PurpleMotion> know what i SHOULD have done? I should have added the ubuntu sources and removed the knoppix sources and did an apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:12] <Burgundavia> f_newton, a default xp install has almost no functionality
[10:12] <f_newton> thats about a 2 to one ratio and it has no packages
[10:12] <Seveas> f_newton, and without any useful software like forefox or an office suite :)
[10:12] <f_newton> right
[10:12] <Choubaka> f_newton: Does it come with an Office package and multimedia players and shit like that? :)
[10:12] <f_newton> exactly
[10:12] <PurpleMotion> what is forefox?
[10:12] <luminerd> ompaul, is dd over network?
[10:13] <luminerd> they aren't networked.
[10:13] <ompaul> no you said you do not have one
[10:13] <Choubaka> f_newton: so what's the problem?
[10:13] <f_newton> all I am saying is a complete install without internet should be done with a cd or dvd set complete with the packages
[10:13] <luminerd> PurpleMotion, Firefox is a sweet browser on windows...on linux so-so
[10:13] <f_newton> ubuntu relies on the net
[10:13] <Burgundavia> f_newton, it can be
[10:13] <Burgundavia> luminerd, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/Netboot?highlight=%28install%29
[10:13] <luminerd> ompaul, it gets all the info off the cd?
[10:13] <Choubaka> f_newton: only for updates. :P
[10:13] <PurpleMotion> luminerd: I know what firefox is. I was wondering what forefox was :D
[10:13] <ompaul> it would be get disk one from machine two and put it in machine two and have the CD copy from hard drive one to hard drive two
[10:13] <luminerd> Burgundavia, not interested in a netboot though
[10:13] <Choubaka> f_newton: when you see it downloading stuff from the net it's updating.
[10:13] <luminerd> they won't have internet by that time
[10:14] <luminerd> I think I'll use Mondo
[10:14] <luminerd> instead of DD
[10:14] <Burgundavia> luminerd, ok, read your non-networking thing after I posted the link
[10:14] <Choubaka> if you don't want security updates then you can do without network.
[10:14] <c3101> think mondo will be much faster
[10:14] <luminerd> hehe
[10:14] <luminerd> Choubaka, the first machine is on net for now
[10:14] <luminerd> I brought it home and it's on my net
[10:14] <luminerd> c3101, you do?
[10:14] <PurpleMotion> Choubaka: think about what you just said. If you are not online, the only security threat posed to your data is somone sitting down in front of it and hacking it.
[10:14] <Choubaka> PurpleMotion: yes.
[10:14] <Choubaka> of course.
[10:15] <c3101> dd takes forever
[10:15] <Choubaka> that's why it doesn't matter if you can't download the updates from the net.
[10:15] <f_newton> well as it presently stands I think ubuntu is a more able os then fedora but I still say that fedora comes complete while ubuntu relies on the internet for packages to complete the install
[10:15] <Choubaka> if you're not connected to it.
[10:15] <PurpleMotion> I know.
[10:15] <PurpleMotion> that was my point, heh
[10:15] <Choubaka> f_newton: Download and burn the DVD iso.
[10:15] <Choubaka> it has _all_ the packages
[10:15] <luminerd> I see
[10:15] <PurpleMotion> I'm goin to bed, folks.
[10:16] <f_newton> that would be ideal
[10:16] <ompaul> sleep well
[10:16] <PurpleMotion> It's been one hell of a long day
[10:16] <Choubaka> f_newton: the thing is, no-one needs all those packages
[10:16] <Burgundavia> f_newton, are you certain it actually downloaded packages? it does some scrolling text that looks like downloading but is actually just setting up stuff
[10:16] <ompaul> PurpleMotion, well its only 9:16 am :)
[10:16] <Choubaka> f_newton: and the CD iso contains the most popular packaes.
[10:16] <f_newton> it downloaded close to a gig if I remember correctly
[10:16] <Choubaka> so you'll have a good system with the CD only.
[10:16] <luminerd> I think I'll go with Fedora, simply because ubuntu seems a little *too* simple for me
[10:16] <luminerd> thanks for the help
[10:16] <luminerd> unless anyone has a last comment
[10:17] <luminerd> to convince me otherwise
[10:17] <luminerd> heh
[10:17] <f_newton> luminerd, I just left fc4 because it has serious updating issues
[10:17] <c3101> users like *simple* ?~:?
[10:17] <Choubaka> luminerd: I do: You're wrong :D
[10:17] <Seveas> luminerd, *too simple*?!?
[10:17] <ompaul> luminerd, choose the hard road for yourself if you want
[10:17] <djp> luminerd: i switched from fedora TO ubuntu! ;)
[10:17] <Burgundavia> luminerd, ubuntu is much better polished
[10:17] <Seveas> luminerd, if you want difficulty: go gentoo
[10:17] <f_newton> I have found ubuntu to be a lot more stable
[10:17] <luminerd> updating I am not worried about
[10:17] <Seveas> if you want a good working system: go Ubuntu
[10:17] <luminerd> lol Seveas that's far too difficult
[10:17] <luminerd> I don't want difficulty
[10:17] <luminerd> I want ease
[10:17] <Choubaka> luminerd: remember Ubuntu is Debian-based. It's very customisable. :)
[10:17] <PM-aSeepin> luminerd: you can get around in ubuntu
[10:17] <luminerd> however with to much ease comes too little power
[10:17] <PM-aSeepin> it's a damned nice system
[10:17] <luminerd> as windows proves
[10:18] <Burgundavia> luminerd, that is false
[10:18] <f_newton> debian based was the biggest reason and gnome as default was the clincher
[10:18] <PM-aSeepin> especially if you know your shit
[10:18] <Seveas> luminerd, in Ubuntu you still have full control
[10:18] <Seveas> it's not windows...
[10:18] <f_newton> but... Ive got a t1
[10:18] <luminerd> but
[10:18] <Burgundavia> luminerd, you still have the same underlying stuff, just a better polished ui
[10:18] <luminerd> the users have control
[10:18] <Choubaka> Ubuntu gives you power.
[10:18] <luminerd> I don't want the user to be able to fsck their system
[10:18] <PM-aSeepin> yeah it does
[10:18] <Choubaka> because it has APT.
[10:18] <ompaul> luminerd, well that is wrong, so enjoy your fedora and when your crying in your coffee on Friday come back and we will still tell you how to make life easy
[10:18] <Choubaka> APT beats the shit out of everything else I've ever used.
[10:18] <luminerd> I want only su'd users (me) to be able to do stuff
[10:18] <PM-aSeepin> if you know your way around a linux box, ubuntu is pretty damned nice
[10:18] <Seveas> luminerd, then don't give then this ability :)
[10:18] <nicholaspaul> cos its easy to use, its not powerful, luminerd? where on earth did you hear that?
[10:18] <Choubaka> luminerd: that's controllable.
[10:18] <Seveas> luminerd, by default only thr user you creat on install has sudo rights
[10:18] <Choubaka> luminerd: man sudoers :)
[10:19] <f_newton> apt is superior to yum without a doubt
[10:19] <nicholaspaul> weird..
[10:19] <Seveas> other users have to be granted this permission explicitely
[10:19] <ompaul> f_newton, but the guy/gal wants a challange
[10:19] <Seveas> by adding them to either the admin group or the sudoers file
[10:19] <znh> morning chan
[10:19] <Choubaka> are there even any official repositories for yum?
[10:19] <PM-aSeepin> luminerd: they disable the root account (which is WEIRD.. no matter though, takes a second flat to enable, and actually works 100% with it disabled as well.. though I always enable it straight away)
[10:19] <f_newton> the only reason I would go for fedora over ubuntu is that fedora has all on the 4 cds
[10:19] <Seveas> Choubaka, yum sucks
[10:19] <f_newton> yum does suck
[10:20] <Seveas> PM-aSeepin, it's not weird, it's a Good Thing....
[10:20] <Burgundavia> f_newton, the dvd will give you all of supported
[10:20] <znh> f_newton: Fedora is good in messing hisself up :-)
[10:20] <f_newton> and now they are fighting over supremacy in repos
[10:20] <PM-aSeepin> but it's a rock solid system
[10:20] <djp> you only need the one cd in order to get ubuntu up and running...
[10:20] <f_newton> that is true but its a scaled down stripped down model ofan os that way
[10:20] <PM-aSeepin> Seveas: it's got it's pro's as well as cons. in the end, it's what you, as the sysadmin of your box, want :)
[10:20] <Choubaka> f_newton: You are wrong.
[10:20] <Seveas> f_newton, no way :)
[10:20] <f_newton> ok
[10:20] <Martin_poland> hi, Im from Poland
[10:20] <Seveas> PM-aSeepin, :)
[10:20] <f_newton> I have no choice but to accept that
[10:21] <f_newton> possibility
[10:21] <c3101> thats nice Martin
[10:21] <Choubaka> Every time I've seen someone talk about their yum repositories they seem to be just a mix of random urls.
[10:21] <Martin_poland> thanx
[10:21] <znh> Martin_poland: Hi welcome, iam from The Netherlands
[10:21] <Seveas> znh, h ik ook :)
[10:21] <PM-aSeepin> I wonder how hard it is to defect to the netherlands
[10:21] <thespiritoftal> what is i386 and what is x86=
[10:21] <znh> Seveas: he leuk :-D
[10:21] <Martin_poland> now I instal Ubuntu
[10:21] <Seveas> znh, #ubuntu-nl
[10:21] <PM-aSeepin> I want to defect to australia.
[10:22] <PM-aSeepin> like, seriously.
[10:22] <c3101> congrats MArtin !
[10:22] <znh> Martin_poland: Good choice
[10:22] <f_newton> I have been very pleased with my install so far... I appreciate the fact that ubuntu has stuck more with stability then new shiny
[10:22] <PM-aSeepin> i want to take my whole family to sydney
[10:22] <PM-aSeepin> and stay.
[10:22] <znh> PM-aSeepin: where are you waiting for :-)?
[10:22] <Martin_poland> you think ? Thats good choice ?
[10:22] <PM-aSeepin> znh: I hear it's pretty hard to get in like that
[10:23] <ompaul> Martin_poland, of course we do
[10:23] <f_newton> uh australia doesnt allow immigration like that any more?
[10:23] <PM-aSeepin> They have a lot of very strict criteria you have to meet
[10:23] <luminerd> PM-aSeepin, that would be stupid of me. it would accomplish nothing to disable root...I just said that I WANTED ONLY root to be able to do stuff....if users have all permissions on ubuntu then I am NOT going to use it.
[10:23] <Choubaka> luminerd: no, no, no
[10:23] <Burgundavia> luminerd, by default on the 1st user gets sudo rights
[10:23] <f_newton> luminerd, you can change that
[10:23] <znh> Martin_poland: yes, if you prevourise Operating System was wind*ws, then it's difennetly a very good choice
[10:23] <ompaul> luminerd, you are wrong
[10:23] <Burgundavia> luminerd, no others have sudo access
[10:23] <PM-aSeepin> luminerd: okay, but you need a user that can su
[10:23] <f_newton> I was rather dismayed by that myself at first
[10:23] <luminerd> I don't use sudo at all
[10:23] <f_newton> until I read up on it
[10:24] <Choubaka> luminerd: disabling root and using sudo actually gives you the chance to define exactly what users can do with root powers.
[10:24] <znh> luminerd: you are saying things that are based on nothing
[10:24] <Martin_poland> I yes, OS was WinX
[10:24] <Choubaka> or as other users.
[10:24] <luminerd> ompaul, what an idiotic thing to say
[10:24] <Burgundavia> luminerd, have you read wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo ?
[10:24] <PM-aSeepin> yeah
[10:24] <Martin_poland> and now I testing ubuntu
[10:24] <luminerd> PM-aSeepin, all users should be able to su....
[10:24] <PM-aSeepin> mess up /etc/sudoers just once
[10:24] <PM-aSeepin> and watch what happens
[10:24] <luminerd> but they need the password
[10:24] <znh> Martin_poland: and, what's your first opinion?
[10:24] <luminerd> no
[10:24] <luminerd> no sudo.
[10:24] <Choubaka> PM-aSeepin: you can't really mess it up if you use visudo
[10:24] <luminerd> I would like a normal system.
[10:24] <ompaul> luminerd, if you are wrong as I know you are, then when I tell you you are wrong it is not idiotic
[10:25] <luminerd> I am not up for learning anything new in order to do this.
[10:25] <PM-aSeepin> luminerd: NOBODY should be able to su to root except people in wheel
[10:25] <f_newton> luminerd remember when you were trying to find 25 just alike machines?
[10:25] <PM-aSeepin> but we wont get started on linux and wheel
[10:25] <Burgundavia> luminerd, add another user after the install. That user will have no admin privs
[10:25] <f_newton> it was a big discussion
[10:25] <luminerd> ompaul, well it's pretty rude and ridiculously pointless.
[10:25] <znh> People, we have already told him.. If he don't wants to listen, ignore him
[10:25] <Choubaka> luminerd: then do sudo passwd
[10:25] <c3101> why they call it "wheel" anyways ?
[10:25] <Choubaka> and root will be enabled.
[10:25] <luminerd> f_newton, what?
[10:25] <znh> c3101: the wheel of admins
[10:25] <f_newton> in fedora
[10:25] <Choubaka> and then you can edit sudoers and take sudo power off your regular user.
[10:25] <luminerd> ...what about it f_newton
[10:26] <c3101> aye ~?~ why not "admins"
[10:26] <Martin_poland> hmmm, the web Browswer not support perfect with my LCD monitot - font was blury !?
[10:26] <PM-aSeepin> he's not wrong. he has his own preference. isn't that what open source is ABOUT? Being free to decide how you like your eggs?
[10:26] <f_newton> there were a lot of different suggestions but a thorough examination by you revealed the best choice
[10:26] <Choubaka> luminerd: but honestly, once you get used to sudo and learn more about it you'll love it :)
[10:26] <znh> c3101: I don't know.. wheel is being used in almost every distribution
[10:26] <luminerd> Choubaka, no time.
[10:26] <c3101> true
[10:26] <luminerd> wednesday morning....wednesday at 5am.
[10:26] <Burgundavia> luminerd, to be honest, sudo offers you lots of power. Not much to learn
[10:26] <f_newton> it will take less time
[10:26] <luminerd> I have to have this all set up by then
[10:27] <luminerd> Burgundavia, ok how does sudo work then
[10:27] <Burgundavia> luminerd, very simple
[10:27] <luminerd> i read the man pages they make no sense
[10:27] <luminerd> so don't tell me to man sudo
[10:27] <luminerd> :P
[10:27] <PM-aSeepin> wheel is a group used in every other flavor of *nix that i know of. residence in that group gives you the right to assume uid=0 gid=0
[10:27] <PM-aSeepin> if you're not in wheel, you cannot su
[10:27] <Burgundavia> luminerd, the 1st user is allowed to sudo, and any user in the admin group
[10:27] <znh> Jup
[10:27] <PM-aSeepin> to root
[10:27] <Choubaka> luminerd: /etc/sudoers defines what users can do as root
[10:27] <Burgundavia> luminerd, non sudo users cannot do any "root-like" things
[10:27] <f_newton> thats why I would network install all the machines at once using one root psswd and assigning one thru twenty five user passwords
[10:27] <Andre4s> I am trying to install the flash plugin. The installer want the installation path of mozilla. I have tested /usr/lib/mozilla but that did not work. So where is it installed?
[10:28] <Choubaka> on ubuntu the default is to allow the first user and wheelers to do everything using sudo
[10:28] <Burgundavia> luminerd, new users that get added ARE NOT added to the admin group
[10:28] <PM-aSeepin> personally, I have a root account :) but that's just me
[10:28] <znh> Is there anyone here with some network knowlegde?
[10:28] <znh> brb tel
[10:28] <luminerd> Burgundavia, that's not making much sense to me
[10:28] <f_newton> but the problem lumninerd is that fc4 gets broken a lot by its jealous dev teams
[10:28] <luminerd> I will only have two accounts...
[10:28] <Martin_poland> yes, I have dhis same problem with Flash plugin
[10:28] <luminerd> root and caller
[10:28] <PM-aSeepin> that and its rpm
[10:28] <PM-aSeepin> and rpm blows
[10:28] <Choubaka> luminerd: of course, you could only give someone the ability to use apt to install and remove programs.
[10:28] <Choubaka> luminerd: or to edit apache configs and restart apache.
[10:29] <Martin_poland> but 2 weeks ago installation OK
[10:29] <Choubaka> or stuff like that.
[10:29] <f_newton> rpm doesnt blow PM-aSeepin
[10:29] <Iceman-AMD64> geez, wish more games were out for linux
[10:29] <PM-aSeepin> Yes, it does. It is the worst - by far - package management system in existance
[10:29] <Iceman-AMD64> Multiplayer online
[10:29] <Choubaka> and when you use sudo, it always requires the user's own password unless you've defined otherwise.
[10:29] <PM-aSeepin> i'd rather compile EVERYTHING from source
[10:29] <PM-aSeepin> than use rpm
[10:29] <f_newton> Choubaka, where can I get a package list of what is included on the cd iso?
[10:29] <Choubaka> luminerd: read man 5 sudoers for the config syntax.
[10:30] <f_newton> or do I just need to examine the cd?
[10:30] <Choubaka> f_newton: It's on the C at leastD. I can get it for you
[10:30] <Andre4s> where is mozilla installed?
[10:31] <PM-aSeepin> yaknow
[10:31] <Burgundavia> Andre4s, what part of it?
[10:31] <PM-aSeepin> i should build a box from scratch
[10:31] <znh> I have a sort of problem.. when Iam transfering data to my laptop via Samba, it goes with a slow speed of 500kb/s.. when I do top on the laptop, the processor is not even being used that many - what is the bottleneck here?
[10:31] <f_newton> Ive been customizing my install all day
[10:31] <PM-aSeepin> compile _every_ package and install it myself
[10:31] <f_newton> getting to the point that I like
[10:31] <PM-aSeepin> but just for what i want the box to do
[10:31] <PM-aSeepin> i bet you it would SCREAM
[10:31] <f_newton> I still need NVU and Crossover Office
[10:32] <Choubaka> I should have ordered some PPC ubuntu install CDs.
[10:32] <Burgundavia> f_newton, http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/base/ubuntu-desktop
[10:32] <PM-aSeepin> what do you need crossover office for?
[10:32] <PM-aSeepin> it doesn't do anything wine can't do :>
[10:32] <PM-aSeepin> just with wine you have to do it all by hand ;)
[10:32] <f_newton> well yes it does PM-aSeepin
[10:32] <Choubaka> Hmm, The Ubuntu CD alone doesn't allow much customisation.
[10:32] <PM-aSeepin> like what?
[10:32] <Burgundavia> Choubaka, no
[10:33] <Burgundavia> Choubaka, the ubuntu cd alone is a purely basic system to get a user up and running
[10:33] <Choubaka> Burgundavia: Yep :)
[10:33] <Burgundavia> Choubaka, your average mom and pop wouldn't need much more though
[10:33] <PM-aSeepin> yah you use synaptic for everything else :)
[10:33] <Choubaka> Burgundavia: yeah.
[10:33] <luminerd> well, thanks guys, that root thing made my decision for me. no way I'm messing with learning sudo.
[10:33] <PM-aSeepin> i should write a sources.list manager
[10:33] <Choubaka> luminerd: Just enable root then :P
[10:33] <Iceman-AMD64> I ordered 5 ppc cd's ... 5 x64 cd's and 10 x86 cd's .. and received them all
[10:33] <PM-aSeepin> I think I will
[10:34] <Choubaka> luminerd: there's no messing with sudo that way.
[10:34] <grover> Iceman-AMD64: now you just have to use em all eh?
[10:34] <PM-aSeepin> someone should hack kuser or the gnome um or both and add in /etc/sudoers permissions
[10:34] <PM-aSeepin> as settings
[10:34] <Iceman-AMD64> grover give them to friends... and use the x64 myself ... now ...
[10:35] <Burgundavia> PM-aSeepin, what do you mean?
[10:35] <Iceman-AMD64> grover ... finaly made the move to 64 bit ...
[10:35] <PM-aSeepin> Burgundavia: someone should modify the popular user managers, and add in settings for that person in /etc/sudoers.. the options selected would be added to /etc/sudoers
[10:35] <PM-aSeepin> Iceman-AMD64: the window deco?
[10:35] <luminerd> Choubaka, I don't believe that a distro that would by default disable root could be very good in other areas. I don't understand the reasoning behind that, it blows my mind. I must admit though, kubuntu DOES look more polished than fc4
[10:36] <Choubaka> luminerd: Don't be prejudiced!
[10:36] <Burgundavia> PM-aSeepin, it is alreayd there
[10:36] <Iceman-AMD64> Microsoft windows xp 64 bit ... and ubuntu 64...
[10:36] <PM-aSeepin> where?
[10:36] <PM-aSeepin> which um has that?
[10:36] <Burgundavia> PM-aSeepin, gnome
[10:36] <Choubaka> luminerd: Disabling root was a good decision.
[10:36] <mattt> luminerd: it means you spend LESS time using root, which is a GOOD thing. :)
[10:36] <PM-aSeepin> ill go look
[10:36] <Choubaka> It's a needless confusion.
[10:36] <PM-aSeepin> i always do shit the hard way :D
[10:36] <Choubaka> source of* :P
[10:36] <YuWei> any body here know how to setup a d-link dwl-g650+ wireless PCMCIA card?
[10:36] <f_newton> luminerd, ubuntu also seems to have a lot of restricted packages I dont quite understand that
[10:37] <luminerd> *sigh* I'll just do ubuntu. if it works, it works
[10:37] <Iceman-AMD64> Free Download of Windows xp Pro 64 bit ...
[10:37] <luminerd> but is there an ubuntu that comes with kde and gnome, maybe even others?
[10:37] <Burgundavia> PM-aSeepin, properities --> user privs --> executing system administaration...
[10:37] <Choubaka> luminerd: yes.
[10:37] <Choubaka> Ubuntu
[10:37] <Burgundavia> luminerd, ubuntu comes with gnome by default
[10:37] <Iceman-AMD64> need to pop- on and download Windows Server 2003 64 bit while it's still available
[10:37] <luminerd> ...
[10:37] <luminerd> yea
[10:37] <luminerd> but...
[10:37] <Burgundavia> luminerd, you can instlal kubuntu-desktop for kde
[10:37] <Madpilot> luminerd: Ubuntu = Gnome. Kubuntu = KDE
[10:37] <luminerd> dude
[10:37] <f_newton> that makes it a better os in my opinion
[10:37] <luminerd> I know that
[10:37] <Choubaka> luminerd: not on the CD though.
[10:37] <grover> 64b works just as well as 32b for me, so I guess that's good
[10:37] <Iceman-AMD64> Wish sun would patch java for 64 bit ...
[10:37] <luminerd> read my question.....is there an ubuntu that comes with kde and gnome, maybe even others?
[10:38] <Choubaka> not on the CD
[10:38] <Burgundavia> luminerd, Ubuntu does not ask the user during install about which de, no
[10:38] <PM-aSeepin> no, i'm talking about something a lot more complex than that.. but still very easy to use... enabling per-application access by users or groups or combinations of all of the above...
[10:38] <luminerd> is there a single command or something easy that I can run through to get a lot of tohers?
[10:38] <crispynix-v6> luminerd: Debian does, or you could go for a Knoppix DVD if you want it all on one disc.
[10:38] <Choubaka> apt-get install kde
[10:38] <f_newton> the dvd does though right?
[10:38] <Iceman-AMD64> luminerd kubuntu or ubuntu .. or download the kde desktop from ubuntu
[10:39] <Choubaka> you need internet to download those though.
[10:39] <Burgundavia> Choubaka, kubuntu-desktop actually
[10:39] <Choubaka> Burgundavia: well, yeah
[10:39] <Burgundavia> f_newton, the dvd is all of main, and that includes kde
[10:39] <grover> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:39] <crispynix-v6> luminerd: knoppix dvd then, just don't try to install from it :p
[10:39] <Burgundavia> luminerd, ubuntu contains all the software from debian
[10:39] <PM-aSeepin> including an all-inclusive 'user has system admin privelages' option
[10:39] <Choubaka> luminerd: that's being prejudiced :P
[10:39] <luminerd> ok I'll just get kubuntu
[10:39] <Iceman-AMD64> need to find linux games ... dang ...
[10:39] <Burgundavia> PM-aSeepin, you want finegrained control over the sudo file?
[10:39] <luminerd> Choubaka, I got net on the one machine
[10:39] <Choubaka> Debian is a marvellous system. Ubuntu takes it a step further as a desktop OS :)
[10:39] <f_newton> personally I like the way debian does things
[10:39] <Choubaka> luminerd: good. Then it will be easy.
[10:39] <f_newton> I find it faster, less troublesome, and much much easier to update
[10:39] <znh> luminerd: you can also get kubuntu if you have the normal ubuntu, just do the base installation and then install the xserver-xorg, and then the kubuntu-desktop pacakge - done
[10:39] <luminerd> the people in #debian are the biggest *insert your choice of any word here* in the world
[10:41] <Iceman-AMD64> ubuntu is growing faster every day
[10:41] <PM-aSeepin> Burgundavia: but still easy for anybody to use.. it would actually be reallye asy to write in python
[10:41] <znh> luminerd: faggots?
[10:41] <Burgundavia> f_newton, ubuntu is just debian with polish. Most of the packages are the same
[10:41] <f_newton> yes they are luminerd
[10:41] <Choubaka> luminerd: the most complicated thing you may have to do is enable the universe repositories.
[10:41] <crispynix-v6> luminerd: only a few, actually
[10:41] <Iceman-AMD64> ? lammers ...
[10:41] <luminerd> znh, that works.
[10:41] <crispynix-v6> luminerd: ... hmm, now I'm wondering why your name sounds familiar ;o
[10:41] <znh> luminerd: nah comes nearby
[10:41] <f_newton> i can install deb packages in ubuntu without causing update problems?
[10:41] <Burgundavia> Iceman-AMD64, znh there is no need to bash debian. Please remember the Ubuntu code of conduct
[10:41] <Burgundavia> f_newton, yes
[10:41] <Iceman-AMD64> Got myself banned from #slackware ... and made a legit requist for assistance
[10:41] <Choubaka> f_newton: from Debian's repositories?
[10:41] <Choubaka> f_newton: Not recommended.
[10:41] <Burgundavia> f_newton, almost everything is already in the ubuntu repos, via debian
[10:41] <luminerd> what's the dif betweeen aptitude install and apt-get install?
[10:41] <PM-aSeepin> yeah remember if it werent for debian, ubuntu would be a completely different creature
[10:41] <f_newton> so far luminard with the exception of this being a debian base instead of an rpm based its a lot like fedora only more stable
[10:41] <Iceman-AMD64> not bashing debian... tried it ... just a little cumbersom for me
[10:41] <Choubaka> luminerd: well, nothing in particular
[10:41] <znh> Burgundavia: okay sorry
[10:42] <Choubaka> only aptitude installs recommended packages too by default
[10:42] <f_newton> well Ive yet to find nvu
[10:42] <Choubaka> f_newton: it's in universe I guess.
[10:42] <f_newton> I downloaded it via the nvu site but
[10:42] <f_newton> havent found it
[10:42] <Burgundavia> f_newton, not in hoary
[10:42] <Iceman-AMD64> just slackware and debian support seems lacking ... they expect you to be a wiz, even if your a newbie
[10:42] <Burgundavia> f_newton, it is in backports
[10:47] <luminerd> ok ummm
[10:47] <f_newton> what is backports?
[10:47] <luminerd> I am downloading Kubuntu
[10:47] <PM-aSeepin> luminerd: aptitude tracks dependencies a lot better... when you need to uninstall an app, aptitude takes the files that came with it that are no longer being used
[10:47] <Burgundavia> !backports
[10:47] <ubotu> I heard backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[10:47] <PM-aSeepin> and gets rid of them too
[10:47] <luminerd> when I get it I'm going to aptitude install gnome-desktop?
[10:47] <guillaumeh> luminerd: aptitude keeps a log of what you do, and it uninstall unused libraries automatically
[10:47] <PM-aSeepin> it's actually kinda nice
[10:47] <luminerd> I see
[10:47] <f_newton> I use synaptic not aptitude
[10:47] <f_newton> never seen aptitude
[10:47] <Choubaka> Hm
[10:47] <Choubaka> This all _is_ kind of confusing
[10:47] <Choubaka> :P
[10:47] <Burgundavia> f_newton, aptitude is a commandline app
[10:47] <f_newton> ah ok
[10:47] <PM-aSeepin> now does aptitude only track that shit for apps that IT installed, or does it track all installed packages?
[10:47] <f_newton> how can it track apps it didnt deal with?
[10:47] <luminerd> aptitude install gnome-desktop?
[10:47] <Choubaka> luminerd: should install gnome, iirc.
[10:47] <Draucon> does blam support atom?
[10:47] <luminerd> Choubaka, thanks
[10:47] <ompaul> PM-aSeepin, they all (apt-get, aptitude, synaptic) all track the same packages
[10:47] <PM-aSeepin> apt keeps a log.. it could analyze it
[10:47] <Burgundavia> Draucon, not the version in hoary
[10:47] <Choubaka> luminerd: learn apt-cache search
[10:47] <Burgundavia> Choubaka, ubuntu-desktop
[10:47] <PM-aSeepin> ompaul: but they dont all do it the same way.. aptitude does it a LOT better
[10:47] <Burgundavia> luminerd, the default install of Ubuntu already has gnome installed
[10:47] <luminerd> Choubaka, no time for learning
[10:47] <Choubaka> apt-cache search keywords <- will search for keywords
[10:47] <luminerd> Burgundavia, not kubuntu though
[10:47] <Burgundavia> luminerd, no
[10:47] <Choubaka> in the package repo.
[10:47] <PM-aSeepin> and synaptic is a front end for apt-get
[10:47] <PM-aSeepin> not much more.
[10:47] <luminerd> kubuntu's what I'm getting.
[10:47] <Burgundavia> luminerd, kubuntu and ubuntu share the same repos
[10:47] <ompaul> PM-aSeepin, they use the same base information, how it gets presented is another issue
[10:47] <Burgundavia> luminerd, you can install one and get the other by installing (k)ubuntu-desktop
[10:47] <luminerd> don't care. I'm getting kubuntu.
[10:47] <luminerd> yea
[10:47] <luminerd> well kubuntu's nearly dl'ed already
[10:47] <luminerd> so I'll get ubuntu-desktop I guess
[10:47] <luminerd> aptitude install ubuntu-desktop?
[10:47] <luminerd> it'll search the net and whatnot?
[10:47] <Choubaka> yes
[10:47] <Burgundavia> luminerd, yes
[10:47] <Choubaka> luminerd: You'll want to edit the sources a bit.
[10:47] <Choubaka> to enable the universe
[10:47] <AvatarofVirgo> What software do I use to play DVDs in ubuntu?
[10:47] <f_newton> dang hit the wrong button that time!
[10:47] <Burgundavia> AvatarofVirgo, wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:47] <PM-aSeepin> ompaul the question was: Is aptitude capable of monitoring the installation and dependencies of packages installed by apt? And if it isn't capable of this, why not, and how hard would it be to code considering how downright handy such a feature would be?
[10:47] <Choubaka> just edit /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the lines with universe :)
[10:47] <Choubaka> and then do aptitude update
[10:47] <Burgundavia> PM-aSeepin, aptitude uses the same backend as any of the dpkg utilities
[10:47] <Choubaka> then you'll have access to the "unsupported" packages too
[10:47] <luminerd> thanks guys
[10:47] <f_newton> nope not there
[10:47] <concept10> Burgundavia, Im wondering, if backports are official - when will I be able to search with packages.ubuntu.org
[10:47] <luminerd> Choubaka, I don't want to edit anything.
[10:49] <PM-aSeepin> Burgundavia: yeah, but aptitude tracks dependencies differently. it also behaves a little differently
[10:49] <Choubaka> luminerd: why not? It's simple.
[10:49] <concept10> f_newton, your looking for nvu?
[10:49] <f_newton> well I apologize to you Burgundavia, my statement was rash and ill informed
[10:49] <luminerd> Choubaka, not enough time.
[10:49] <Burgundavia> concept10, I suspect that p.u.c has not yet caught up with that stuff
[10:49] <Burgundavia> f_newton, np
[10:49] <ompaul> aptitude - high-level interface to the package manager, apt-get - APT package handling utility -- command-line interface - they are different fronts to the same back if you want a bad way to explain it
[10:49] <f_newton> via the repo yes concept10
[10:49] <Choubaka> luminerd: That edit takes about 5 seconds :P
[10:49] <luminerd> wednesday morning dude. 5am. that gives me like, what...almost exactly 1 day to work on this
[10:49] <luminerd> ok
[10:49] <PM-aSeepin> okay, you're missing the point
[10:49] <f_newton> I already have the tar.bz2
[10:49] <luminerd> well
[10:49] <PM-aSeepin> nevermind
[10:49] <luminerd> 5 seconds I can afford
[10:49] <luminerd> lol
[10:49] <concept10> i dont think nvu 1.0 is in the repos
[10:49] <f_newton> its not
[10:49] <ompaul> PM-aSeepin, is your point that aptitude will install more per package requested?
[10:49] <Choubaka> luminerd: 1 day is plenty. :)
[10:49] <PM-aSeepin> did anybody else get the point?
[10:49] <PM-aSeepin> no
[10:51] <f_newton> but to answer the wine vs crossover question... I have to run publisher and publisher runs like crap in wine without the crossover proprietary stuff
[10:51] <PM-aSeepin> my point is if i install package a and it installs packages b, c, d, e, & f... aptitude, when removing package a, will also remove the rest if nothing else depends ont hem.. apt will remove package a
[10:51] <c3101> ompaul, aptitude uses libapt-pkg to perform it's functions, it recognisez all the dependencies as apt does
[10:51] <f_newton> apt does what now?
[10:51] <luminerd> gtg bbl thanks
[10:51] <PM-aSeepin> what i would like to see aptitude do is be able to provide the kind of removal system it does for things that were not installed via aptitude
[10:51] <f_newton> I need to start using aptitude?
[10:51] <f_newton> instead of apt-get?
[10:51] <Choubaka> f_newton: you don't need to
[10:51] <PM-aSeepin> (I still use apt-get, but i would start using aptitude for all my removals if it worked like that)
[10:51] <f_newton> I dont remove much
[10:51] <f_newton> but I do clean all a lot
[10:51] <Superfrog> hi i have aproblem with my wlan, i use ndiswrapper to wrap my windows "siemens usb adapter 54 driver" and it works BUT from time to time my wlan goes offline and my keyboard or my mouse doesn'T work , does anybody have same expereances?
[10:53] <PM-aSeepin> whoa
[10:53] <PM-aSeepin> that's gotta suck
[10:53] <Superfrog> yup
[10:53] <c3101> sounds crappy
[10:53] <Seveas> PM-aSeepin, aptitude removes unneeded dependencies indeed
[10:53] <Seveas> PM-aSeepin, and debfoster can clean things up for you if you didn't use aptitude :)
[10:53] <PM-aSeepin> Seveas: ones that were installed by apt?
[10:53] <Seveas> yup
[10:53] <PM-aSeepin> aptitude does trackt hem then?
[10:53] <PM-aSeepin> or at least looks at how they got there
[10:53] <PM-aSeepin> and takes the rest away as well?
[10:53] <Determinist> any decent menu editor for gnome that's stable and works?
[10:53] <Seveas> hmm, I meant debfoster there, but i'm pretty sure aptitude does that too (it builds the dependency graph every time)
[10:53] <ompaul> PM-aSeepin, this is your point I think, http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=111649
[10:57] <concept10> f_newton, do you have crossover office?
[10:57] <PM-aSeepin> ah, thats what iw anted to clarify, Seveas .. wouldnt that be a nice feature though.. doesnt seem like it would be too hard.. installation records are kept forever (until the package is removed, at least), right?
[10:57] <Seveas> if you install with aptitude :)
[10:57] <PM-aSeepin> blah
[10:57] <Seveas> the Ubuntu installer (when you install the system) uses aptitude too :)
[10:57] <PM-aSeepin> old habits die hard
[10:57] <Seveas> true
[10:57] <Choubaka> just alias aptitude as apt-get
[10:57] <Seveas> i had to alias apt-get='echo Use aptitude!!' to get used to it :)
[10:57] <PM-aSeepin> heh
[10:57] <PM-aSeepin> but i like apt-get
[10:57] <Seveas> Choubaka, that won't help, you still type apt-get :)
[10:57] <PM-aSeepin> i know my way around it
[10:57] <PM-aSeepin> pretty well
[10:57] <Seveas> PM-aSeepin, aptitude does pretty much the same and more
[10:57] <Seveas> aptitude install packagename
[10:57] <Seveas> aptitude remove packagename
[10:57] <Seveas> aptitude purge packagename
[10:57] <Seveas> etc...
[10:57] <Choubaka> I tend to use feta though
[10:57] <Choubaka> no need for even sudo :D
[10:57] <luminerd> ok I'm off the clock :P
[10:57] <Choubaka> just feta install package :P
[10:58] <PM-aSeepin> oooh
[10:58] <ompaul> PM-aSeepin, sure if you do that alias and then do this /usr/bin/apt-get when you really want to use apt-get your karma would go up at least 2.33333. points
[10:58] <PM-aSeepin> aptitude looks kinda nice
[10:58] <luminerd> now I can talk about personal stuff....like how much I'd die for some newegg crap right now
[10:58] <Choubaka> and feta changelog package and stuff
[10:58] <davix> how do I set the cursor theme in ubuntu?
[10:58] <PM-aSeepin> didnt know it had an interface
[10:58] <Seveas> davix, install gcursor
[10:58] <Seveas> PM-aSeepin, :)
[10:58] <luminerd> anyone know a good chan for discussion of hardware?
[10:58] <Seveas> it's a bit like dselect
[10:58] <davix> tnx Seveas.
[11:00] <luminerd> guess not :/
[11:04] <f_newton> luminerd, heres something
[11:04] <f_newton> ubuntu seems to handle hardware better
[11:04] <luminerd> huh?
[11:04] <c3101> just got e17 going on ubuntu
[11:04] <znh> uname without flags is extreamly detailed
[11:04] <luminerd> W00t!!!
[11:04] <luminerd> c3101, e17 R0x0rzzz
[11:04] <f_newton> stuff that gives you problems in fedora dont in ubuntu
[11:04] <Seveas> znh, :)
[11:04] <Choubaka> c3101: how much trouble was it? :D
[11:04] <luminerd> f_newton, well ok but I'm done with that topic I'm off the clock lol
[11:04] <c3101> it's wicked, just wish they had gui stuff for the config, enlightenment_remote SUCK
[11:04] <znh> c3101: watch your laungage please
[11:04] <luminerd> where can I discuss hardware...ie I found something on newegg, have a url to the piece, and want to ask if it's compatible and/or if it would work good or what people think, etc
[11:04] <c3101> not too much trouble, just get the build order for all the libs right
[11:04] <f_newton> yeah well I want you to make the right choice for your needs and I am a long time rh dude with fedora since day one
[11:04] <Choubaka> luminerd: you could check the wiki
[11:04] <f_newton> there is a good hardware list
[11:04] <luminerd> Choubaka, err...wiki of what
[11:04] <luminerd> no no no
[11:04] <luminerd> not releated to linux
[11:04] <Choubaka> Ahh.
[11:04] <cisa> hi, i try to build the linux module for the intel pro/100 VE onboard chipset. therefor i need the kernel sources and/or headers . but i can't find them by browsing the pool directory on an ubuntu mirror.
[11:04] <Choubaka> Hmm
[11:04] <luminerd> just hardware for my pc lol
[11:04] <Choubaka> No idea. :P
[11:04] <luminerd> hehe ok
[11:04] <znh> luminerd: #hardware
[11:04] <PM-aSeepin> hey what's the name of the little gnome tray thing that monitors for package upgrades and runs them through synaptic?
[11:04] <Seveas> cisa, sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[11:04] <Choubaka> gnome-update-manager or something
[11:04] <znh> Seveas: haven't I see you before in some other channel?
[11:04] <cisa> Seveas: how with no network-card :)
[11:06] <znh> cisa: how could you browse on the pool directory of a ubuntu mirror then?
[11:06] <Seveas> cisa, grab the package from a mirror, put it on usb stick etc... :)
[11:06] <cisa> Seveas: i want to build a driver for the onboard chipset
[11:06] <c3101> hmm, surely the pro100 is in the ubuntu kernel ?
[11:06] <Seveas> PM-aSeepin, dennis@mirage ~ $ apt-cache search update | grep manager
[11:06] <Seveas> update-manager - GNOME application that manages apt updates
[11:06] <znh> I have a intel pro 100, works fine :-/
[11:06] <Seveas> znh, possibly, i'm in a lot of #ubuntu channels :)
[11:06] <cisa> Seveas: but i can't find the package on an mirror
[11:06] <cisa> s/an/a/
[11:06] <Seveas> cisa, what is the output of uname -r?
[11:06] <luminerd> znh, heh, 18 ppz, it's a start, thanks :) I found #hardware on efnet has about 80 so I think I'll hang there.
[11:06] <luminerd> sweet.
[11:06] <luminerd> thanks guys
[11:06] <PM-aSeepin> found it
[11:06] <cisa> Seveas: its probably the 2.6.9 from hoary base install
[11:06] <c3101> cisa , have you tried sudo modprobe eepro100 ?
[11:06] <PM-aSeepin> just like that, too
[11:06] <PM-aSeepin> heh
[11:06] <PM-aSeepin> gmta
[11:06] <znh> luminerd: pleasure
[11:06] <Seveas> cisa, just give the output :)
[11:07] <Seveas> hmm c3101 right....
[11:07] <cisa> Seveas: i cant do it now
[11:07] <Seveas> that module indeed exists :)
[11:07] <PM-aSeepin> oh it does the most beautiful thing for sources.list
[11:08] <znh> yea.. why don't you guys believe me xD
[11:08] <cisa> c3101: hmm, no i didn't try this.
[11:08] <cisa> c3101: i really should
[11:08] <cisa> c3101: will do it now. thanks.
[11:08] <c3101> :)
[11:09] <PM-aSeepin> oooh wait
[11:09] <PM-aSeepin> most of these updates are from backports
[11:09] <PM-aSeepin> i dont know about all that
[11:10] <f_newton> is backports something like retrieving something from a previous version ?
[11:10] <PM-aSeepin> no i think its for stuff in development for future versions
[11:10] <Seveas> no
[11:10] <znh> f_newton: Or extreamly new packages that ruin your pc :-)
[11:10] <PM-aSeepin> that could be wrong though
[11:10] <Seveas> from a newer version
[11:10] <c3101> f_newton, it's like retrieving something from the next version, compiled for the current version
[11:10] <PM-aSeepin> yeah i thought so
[11:10] <f_newton> I see
[11:10] <Seveas> backports are packages for newer versions compiled to work with an older version
[11:11] <Seveas> so in the hoary-backports case: packages from breezy compiled to work with hoary
[11:11] <f_newton> well there is a deb version of nvu compiled for the kernel that ubuntu installed on the machine
[11:11] <f_newton> but I make no assumptions
[11:12] <kestas> does anyone know; is the stack frame the stack from ESP up to EBP?
[11:12] <PM-aSeepin> hrmm
[11:12] <f_newton> I have to make this servicable for my required needs or it will be a pointless, albeit enjoyable, exercise
[11:12] <Seveas> kestas, waaay off topic dude :)
[11:12] <kestas> Seveas: #asm arent biting :(
[11:12] <PM-aSeepin> aptitude update starts up a hell of a lot slower than apt-get update, heh
[11:12] <Seveas> PM-aSeepin, due to all the extra administration it does
[11:13] <Seveas> kestas, too bad, I hope for you someone in here knows...
[11:13] <f_newton> its still mucho faster then yum or up2date
[11:13] <Seveas> iAmAway, please turn of that script
[11:14] <f_newton> I thought dalnet was the only place you could play like that
[11:14] <Kev0r> morning Seveas thought bots never slept ;)
[11:14] <Seveas> Kev0r, we don't :)
[11:15] <Kev0r> you where away tonight
[11:16] <Seveas> that did not mean I was sleeping
[11:16] <Kev0r> smart ass O_o
[11:16] <Seveas> I have lots of other tasks :)
[11:16] <PM-aSeepin> your system is up to date
[11:16] <Kev0r> never heard of interrupts?
[11:16] <PM-aSeepin> werd up
[11:16] <PM-aSeepin> just have to remember to turn off backports before i run that thing
[11:17] <f_newton> I dont think I want to enable backports
[11:17] <Seveas> Kev0r, sometimes I block all interrupts for high-priority scheduled tasks :)
[11:17] <f_newton> I like a good running system
[11:17] <PM-aSeepin> that updater has a sources.list editor, but it has no option to just comment out a source, like toggle it on and off
[11:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'm using an apple keyboard and mouse on a standard pc :O
[11:17] <PM-aSeepin> that would be bice
[11:17] <Kev0r> Then ur mouse is not able to work
[11:17] <f_newton> and Ive already found a few .... glitches
[11:17] <cisa> ok, i tried eepro100 - it doesn't work. uname -sr says 2.6.10-5-386.
[11:17] <f_newton> nothing major at all
[11:17] <Seveas> f_newton, backports aren't guaranteed to work :)
[11:17] <f_newton> I will not use them
[11:17] <PM-aSeepin> yeah
[11:18] <PM-aSeepin> backports are kinda like keeping on the edge with fc.. only considerably more stable
[11:18] <f_newton> I still have to get publisher working on the box
[11:18] <f_newton> more stable then fc?
[11:18] <rob^> f_newton, are you using the official ones?
[11:18] <concept10> f_newton, do you have crossover?
[11:18] <Seveas> cisa, describe 'doesn't work'
[11:18] <f_newton> yes rpm
[11:18] <PM-aSeepin> than staying ont he edge with fc
[11:18] <PM-aSeepin> yes
[11:18] <f_newton> not tar
[11:18] <f_newton> crossover pro
[11:19] <PM-aSeepin> hell, this is more stable than fc, period.
[11:19] <topyli> f_newton: the only thing really worth getting from backports are the stuff in hoary-extras that are not available otherwise
[11:19] <Seveas> PM-aSeepin, :)
[11:19] <PM-aSeepin> and a hell of a lot easier to use
[11:19] <PM-aSeepin> and
[11:19] <f_newton> well all i need is crossover pro and nvu for real time site editing
[11:19] <PM-aSeepin> if you didnt catch me last time
[11:19] <PM-aSeepin> RPM SUCKS
[11:19] <cisa> Seveas: ifconfig eth0 up - no such device :)
[11:19] <f_newton> pm
[11:19] <PM-aSeepin> :D
[11:19] <f_newton> PM-aSeepin, i am not going to debate that with you
[11:19] <Seveas> PM-aSeepin, language ....
[11:20] <cisa> Seveas: and dmesg only shows generic driver informations on modprobe
[11:20] <Seveas> (you're right though :))
[11:20] <Seveas> cisa, odd
[11:20] <f_newton> personally I like the debian package system better
[11:20] <f_newton> but rpm works fine
[11:20] <Seveas> does lsmod show the module as loaded?
[11:20] <PM-aSeepin> Seveas: sucks isnt even close to bad, ESPECIALLY when you're talking about rpm
[11:20] <cisa> Seveas: yes
[11:21] <Seveas> cisa ifconfig -a shown no extra interfaces?
[11:21] <PM-aSeepin> how much additional audio/video support would i get by recompiling xmms? won't it pretty much support everything that mplayer and kaffeine and so on do?
[11:22] <Seveas> PM-aSeepin, recompiling gives you nothing extra
[11:22] <PM-aSeepin> are there plugins for like w32codecs, libfaad2, etc?
[11:22] <Draucon> anyone use pan here
[11:23] <Seveas> raises*
[11:23] <PM-aSeepin> Draucon: every time I cook ramen noodles
[11:23] <cisa> Seveas: didn't look at this. i have looked up intel.com for a driver and found one wich name is e100 after build. so i thought e100 from the kernel would do the job
[11:23] <Seveas> Draucon, pan is nice :)
[11:23] <Draucon> funny PM:P
[11:23] <PM-aSeepin> hey man, I try
[11:23] <Draucon> is there anyway to associate attachments with applications like in agent
[11:23] <cisa> Seveas: also i wonder why i can't find the kernel-headers on one of the ubuntu mirrors
[11:24] <Seveas> Draucon, hmm, not that I know of
[11:24] <Seveas> cisa, try modprobe e100 then :)
[11:24] <Draucon> Seveas thanks
[11:24] <Seveas> cisa, they are in the package linux-headers-something
[11:24] <PM-aSeepin> are there any newsservers out there with a full a.b that are free?
[11:24] <Seveas> where something is the output of uname -r
[11:24] <Seveas> and the are in pool/l/linux-source-2.6.10/ (for hoary)
[11:24] <Seveas> PM-aSeepin, ar you kidding? :)
[11:24] <PM-aSeepin> specifically a.b.cd.images.xbox :-D
[11:25] <f_newton> PM-aSeepin, ... usenet is a subscription service
[11:25] <PM-aSeepin> Seveas: wishful thinking, m8
[11:25] <Seveas> :)
[11:25] <PM-aSeepin> f_newton: not always.. there are PLENTY of newsservers that do not offer a.b that are as free as the wind itself
[11:25] <Seveas> my provider gives mee free access to giganews, that's not too bad
[11:25] <Seveas> PM-aSeepin, hehe, tru, I even run my own newsserver ;)
[11:25] <cisa> Seveas: i tried each e100 and eepro100. both didn't work. cold you give me a mirror where i can find these packages?
[11:26] <Seveas> cisa, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.10/
[11:26] <PM-aSeepin> that's right, buckaroo, you're building a kernel module
[11:27] <PM-aSeepin> you have yourself a good time with that
[11:27] <asad2k5> I have a folder in /root and configuration files in /etc and would like to create a tar file so that if extracted will put the folder and files in the right place
[11:27] <cisa> Seveas: DOH! i looked at
[11:27] <cisa> http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu/archive/
[11:27] <PM-aSeepin> asad2k5: cheat and use ark and tll it to preserve directory structure
[11:28] <Seveas> cisa, that is just a backports archive...
[11:28] <asad2k5> PM-aSeepin, can you give command to do that
[11:28] <f_newton> lol'
[11:28] <PM-aSeepin> ark
[11:28] <cisa> Seveas: slap me please :)
[11:29] <asad2k5> PM-aSeepin, I mean directly from command line an example possible
[11:29] <Seveas> cisa, no thanks, i'm not into spanking that much ;)
[11:29] <PM-aSeepin> ark ~/newtarball.tgz
[11:29] <PM-aSeepin> i dunno
[11:29] <ompaul> Seveas, what is 'that much' in terms of quantity? :-)
[11:29] <PM-aSeepin> type ark
[11:30] <PM-aSeepin> drag directories into it from konqueror
[11:30] <PM-aSeepin> and save it as a file
[11:30] <PM-aSeepin> *shrug*
[11:30] <Seveas> ompaul, that information comes only on need-to-know basis :)
[11:30] <PM-aSeepin> from the command line i dunno... i dont do manual tarballs :D
[11:31] <cisa> Seveas: i need build-essential too?
[11:31] <Seveas> probably
[11:31] <Seveas> but that's a metapackage for gcc etc, you will need to download these separately....
[11:32] <PM-aSeepin> why?
[11:32] <cisa> Seveas: hmm, can i get a list with that packages?
[11:33] <Seveas> cisa, sure, hang on
[11:33] <PM-aSeepin> why would you need to download them seperate? I'm just curious
[11:33] <Seveas> PM-aSeepin, he has no apt
[11:33] <PM-aSeepin> oh
[11:33] <PM-aSeepin> shitty
[11:33] <PM-aSeepin> wow
[11:33] <cisa> PM-aSeepin: i want to build a driver for the network card
[11:33] <PM-aSeepin> but why do you not have apt?
[11:34] <Seveas> PM-aSeepin, no network connection :)
[11:34] <PM-aSeepin> gotchya
[11:34] <cisa> also i think i will write an article on the wiki for that card
[11:34] <PM-aSeepin> that was the missing piece
[11:34] <cisa> because its onboard in a dell inspiron 5100
[11:34] <PM-aSeepin> screw it
[11:34] <PM-aSeepin> im not taking him to court
[11:35] <PM-aSeepin> he can take himself, or his girl can take him, as long as they have the car back by 4 and they put gas in it i dont care
[11:35] <PM-aSeepin> she's actually a pretty good driver
[11:35] <PM-aSeepin> im not getting up at noon :D
[11:36] <PM-aSeepin> my wife's gonna pay for my books and cert costs for any cert or set of certs i want
[11:36] <Seveas> cisa, i'm uploading the complete set of packages now
[11:36] <PM-aSeepin> how much is linux+ and what dist does it want you to use?
[11:36] <Seveas> http://ubuntulinux.nl/~dennis/build-essential.tar.gz
[11:36] <PM-aSeepin> cause i sure as hell do not want mcse
[11:36] <Seveas> that contains all .debs
[11:37] <ompaul> PM-aSeepin, it likes RPM based distros (RH when I looked at it a couple of years ago) - look at LPI more independent certification
[11:37] <PM-aSeepin> LPI?
[11:37] <Seveas> Linux Professional Institute
[11:37] <Seveas> nice certification organization
[11:38] <Seveas> the upcoming Ubuntu Certification programme will be based on it
[11:38] <ompaul> www.lpi.org
[11:38] <cisa> Seveas: thank you. now i got the headers an build-essential. i think i can reboot and try it now, or do i need something else?
[11:38] <Seveas> it should be enough
[11:38] <PM-aSeepin> okay, now here's the deal.. i know my way around a box regardless... what certifications are more accredited by prospective employers? THAT's what Iw ant to know
[11:39] <cisa> Seveas: ok, thank you. will report the success here :)
[11:39] <cisa> bbl
[11:39] <Seveas> MCSE, RHCE, LPI
[11:39] <PM-aSeepin> cause to me certs dont mean dick, but if i want the job, i gotta gett he cert
[11:40] <Seveas> in order of usual preference
[11:40] <PM-aSeepin> why would they want mcse for *nix admins??
[11:40] <PM-aSeepin> I don't want to work on microsoft networks.. i'll happily take the drop in pay
[11:40] <concept10> General computer knowledge
[11:40] <PM-aSeepin> as long as i can make about 65k, i dont care
[11:41] <concept10> Amen.
[11:41] <PM-aSeepin> I've been *itching* to design a network, too
[11:42] <PM-aSeepin> I've got the ultimate call-center setup in my head
[11:42] <PM-aSeepin> and it's purdy
[11:42] <concept10> PM-aSeepin, the furniture setup?
[11:42] <PM-aSeepin> no, the network. See, I have worked in a couple of tech-support call centers
[11:43] <PM-aSeepin> and i know how they run
[11:43] <concept10> PM-aSeepin, jk
[11:43] <PM-aSeepin> I could put together a call-center network that would operate at 95% or better efficiency 97% or better of the time
[11:43] <PM-aSeepin> all freebsd and linux
[11:44] <PM-aSeepin> linux frontend for the callcenter floor, and freebsd ont he backend
[11:44] <siimo> anyone know how to test grub after installing it while still in the chroot ? i remember typing some command and it simulated grub starting and showed the boot menu
[11:44] <concept10> why do people change thier name to show they are away?
[11:44] <Seveas> siimo, grub
[11:44] <PM-aSeepin> especially when they're talkin, eh
[11:44] <concept10> heh
[11:44] <siimo> Seveas, that only shows the grub prompt i want to see the list of os's
[11:45] <concept10> I dont even know the command
[11:45] <PurpleMotion> what command?
[11:45] <concept10> alias change
[11:45] <PurpleMotion> heh /nick whatever
[11:45] <concept10> away name
[11:45] <PurpleMotion> there ya go
[11:46] <KiwiWiki> Hey. I've setup the wine sourceforge sources, but i see that it has no wine-utils package, and it won't install the wine from the default ubuntu repos...
[11:46] <PurpleMotion> you must be from nz
[11:46] <PurpleMotion> and i dunno, sorry
[11:46] <KiwiWiki> PurpleMotion, actually no, but I'm going there soon :)
[11:46] <KiwiWiki> so i've got kiwis on my mind :)
[11:46] <PurpleMotion> right on
[11:46] <PurpleMotion> future kiwi
[11:47] <concept10shouldb> now i cant change back
[11:47] <KiwiWiki> heheh
[11:47] <PurpleMotion> concept10shouldb: /nick concept10
[11:49] <PurpleMotion> Seveas: which certs can i just take the test for? like just study a book and take the test
[11:49] <Seveas> read the lpi.org site :)
[11:49] <PurpleMotion> i take it it's that one
[11:49] <KiwiWiki> btw, PurpleMotion, your nick rings a bell as well.. wasn't it the guy who wrote the music for Future Crew or something?
[11:49] <PurpleMotion> ok
[11:49] <PurpleMotion> KiwiWiki: sure was
[11:49] <PurpleMotion> he also wrote screamtracker
[11:49] <KiwiWiki> riiight.
[11:49] <KiwiWiki> nice :)
[11:50] <KiwiWiki> cool frood, that guy.
[11:50] <PurpleMotion> thent here was a purplemotion who was a 3 time admin ond alnet
[11:50] <PurpleMotion> now he hangs out here
[11:50] <KiwiWiki> heheh
[11:51] <concept10> PurpleMotion, got sids?
[11:51] <topyli> hrm. ooo2 sure is a big download
[11:51] <PurpleMotion> sids?
[11:51] <PurpleMotion> sudden infant death syndrome?
[11:51] <ompaul> PurpleMotion, https://wall.lpi.org/en/obj_101.html tells you some stuff about LPI exam Level 1
[11:51] <concept10> nevermind
[11:52] <concept10> you still write music?
[11:52] <PurpleMotion> I never did.. at least not on a computer
[11:52] <PurpleMotion> Razor-X: it's winter time there, eh m8?
[11:53] <concept10> what did you write on?
[11:53] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: no, I just don't feel like sleeping ;)
[11:53] <PurpleMotion> haha
[11:53] <PurpleMotion> i mean its the cold season, though,r ight?
[11:53] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: no
[11:53] <Razor-X> warm season, meh
[11:53] <PurpleMotion> wall.lpi.org is really not wanting to load for me
[11:53] <Razor-X> (i.e summer XD)
[11:53] <PurpleMotion> ah someone told me otherwise, my bad
[11:53] <pvanhoof> is the responsible for the breezy autotools env. packages here?
[11:53] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: opposite from the Southern Hemisphere, IIRC
[11:54] <Razor-X> yeah, my mpd is being stupid ;)
[11:54] <pvanhoof> and/or who should I contact if I have a question about something specific about ubuntu
[11:54] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: i'm American
[11:54] <nick3> hey, when i install ubuntu it wont let me make a user account just keeps going around in a circule. can anyone help
[11:54] <Seveas> pvanhoof, you can find out who the maintainer is by looking at the package information...
[11:54] <Razor-X> anyways, my mpd client can't connect, and when I try and run mpd with my conf file, it randomly can't read or write to db
[11:54] <Razor-X> and I can't seem to understand why
[11:54] <PurpleMotion> yaknow i always thought you were from .au
[11:55] <PurpleMotion> LOL
[11:55] <Seveas> and questions can be asked in here :)
[11:55] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: meh, no, i'm not ;)
[11:55] <PurpleMotion> lol
[11:55] <pvanhoof> Seveas, but he's not online/available?
[11:55] <PurpleMotion> thats funny
[11:55] <Seveas> pvanhoof, I don't even know who maintains them :)
[11:56] <Razor-X> and also, the daemon's open port is not in netstat
[11:56] <Razor-X> true I can stick with cplay, but what's the fun in that, no? ;)
[11:56] <linlin> i need an application that can do screen captures
[11:57] <linlin> in video form
[11:57] <linlin> like snagit on windows
[11:57] <Seveas> linlin, gnome-screenshot
[11:57] <Seveas> (or simply the [PrtScr] button
[11:57] <Seveas> )
[11:57] <topyli> linlin: there's something that makes flash animations
[11:57] <Razor-X> Seveas: you know a console equivalent for video screen captures?
[11:57] <Seveas> nope
[11:58] <Razor-X> uggh, damn ;)
[11:58] <linlin> flash would be bad
[11:58] <Razor-X> I simple use xwd -out blah.xwd
[11:58] <linlin> i need an avi or an mpeg or someting liek that
[11:58] <Razor-X> and then convert blah.xwd blah.png
[11:58] <linlin> i need video, not a still image
[11:58] <Razor-X> but, again, that's a picture, not a video
[11:59] <topyli> linlin: i'm not aware of any
[11:59] <linlin> darn :-/
[11:59] <linlin> looks liek ill have to use vnc over to a windows machine with snagit
[12:00] <Raptoid> selamlar..
[12:00] <Razor-X> linlin: or you can use VLC
[12:00] <Razor-X> linlin: VLC can stream out your desktop -- and save the stream
[12:00] <linlin> taht would work
[12:01] <rowanjl> A quick question, why doesn't firefox install extensions? Perhaps there is a permissions issue?
[12:01] <linlin> easy to use?
[12:01] <Razor-X> linlin: here you go
[12:01] <Razor-X> something made just for your purpose
[12:01] <Razor-X> xvidcap
[12:01] <linlin> jsut found that on freshmeat :)
[12:01] <Razor-X> anyways, night
[12:01] <topyli> linlin: vncrec + transcode magic: http://linuxgazette.net/102/washko.html
[12:02] <linlin> but i wanted to avoid vnc cause of the slowness, i want it so be fluent nice looking video
[12:02] <PurpleMotion> frig
[12:03] <PurpleMotion> they had to include vi
[12:03] <topyli> linlin: ah
[12:03] <PurpleMotion> i hate vi
[12:03] <linlin> thanks though :)
[12:03] <Mastaki|lah> anyone. answer my question?
[12:03] <keyes> hello, i've actived "xcompmgr -c" at gnome start, it's works fine but any windows (like firefox or xchat) in full size mode is covering the gnome-panel
[12:03] <topyli> PurpleMotion: if there's a machine without vi, the world will come to an end
[12:03] <keyes> does anyone have an issue for that ?
[12:03] <topyli> not that i like it much either
[12:03] <PurpleMotion> heh
[12:03] <PurpleMotion> yeah
[12:03] <Seveas> Mastaki|lah, i've seen no question yet :)
[12:03] <PurpleMotion> definately outlived its usefulness
[12:04] <nick3> well i guess im not going to get any help here i may as well just install debian
[12:04] <topyli> it's just that when you walk to a box, you'll know there'll be vi
[12:04] <Mastaki|lah> I have 2 HDDs in c i have win xp pro. and i would like to instal ubuntu linux to this HDD. Can it be done without formatting or losing any data from the disc in question.
[12:04] <Razor-X> hehe
[12:04] <Razor-X> qtorrent kicks ass
[12:05] <Razor-X> Azureus was slow, nice download speed, but hogged my system
[12:05] <linlin> same here, even on windows
[12:05] <rowanjl> So nobody has had any trouble with firefox not installing extensions?
[12:05] <PurpleMotion> okay so all this i just read about the lpi still didnt answer my question, heh.. can i just study up and take the test or do i have to take a class?
[12:05] <f_newton> that brings up the question in my mind about ubuntu and software raid sata
[12:05] <Razor-X> qtorrent... mmmm, 110 k/s down, 0 k/s up
[12:05] <topyli> nick3: you have a ten-minute patience
[12:05] <Razor-X> ;)
[12:05] <linlin> rowanjl, what extentions
[12:05] <rowanjl> Web developer and Adblock
[12:05] <Seveas> Mastaki|lah, nope
[12:06] <Seveas> you will need to create empty partitions for linux
[12:06] <PurpleMotion> okay, found that part
[12:06] <Harlin> <- first time install of Ubuntu (Mandriva user), installing on VMWare
[12:06] <PurpleMotion> i can just take the test
[12:06] <Seveas> so if you want to keep your data: move it somewhere else or shrink the partition
[12:06] <PurpleMotion> now to figure out how much it costs
[12:06] <rowanjl> Now if only I could place your name :P
[12:06] <topyli> rowanjl: the mediaplayerconnectivity plugin fails here with ff 1.0.6
[12:06] <nick3> topyli more like 3 days of getting no help at all
[12:06] <Harlin> it seems to take a long time to install Ubuntu (5.04), any reason for that?
[12:06] <linlin> Harlin, your noing it on vmware
[12:06] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, quite a bit :)
[12:07] <Seveas> Harlin, vmware is slow...
[12:07] <rowanjl> topyli, I think this is a general issue with permissions, Firefox doesn't even give an error
[12:07] <linlin> **doing
[12:07] <Mastaki|lah> ok. i might burn the data to dvds but its a really big number of dvds im gonna need.. tnx anyway
[12:07] <topyli> nick3: maybe you have a weird problem and no-one here has seen it. try the mailing lists
[12:07] <PurpleMotion> a hundred dollars a test is a lot of money?
[12:07] <PurpleMotion> pfft
[12:07] <PurpleMotion> i know what im doing for the next couple months
[12:07] <Harlin> linlin Seveas... not on my box, it usually isnt... then again perhaps slow is a relative term :)
[12:07] <spiral> I have a mail problem - my mail server emails some addresses just fine (like my gmail account), but does not successfuly email other servers (like my yahoo account). What could be the problem?
[12:07] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, hmm, I thought it was more expensive than that :)
[12:07] <PurpleMotion> im tired of being broke
[12:07] <PurpleMotion> im getting certified
[12:07] <PurpleMotion> and getting a friggen job
[12:07] <linlin> Mastaki|lah, maybe you could transfer the data to another machine on your lan?
[12:08] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, good attitude :)
[12:08] <f_newton> lol Ive been certifiable for years...
[12:08] <f_newton> oh wait thats not what you mean is it?
[12:08] <PurpleMotion> hey, i havent had a cigarette in fifteen days, either
[12:08] <PurpleMotion> *uNF*
[12:08] <rowanjl> I'm a certified couch potato
[12:08] <nick3> topyli i have found others with the problem but no real answers
[12:08] <linlin> crap...that xvidcap wont compile
[12:08] <f_newton> congratulations PurpleMotion
[12:08] <Harlin> wouldnt waste my time on certifications.. very useless
[12:08] <PurpleMotion> ty
[12:08] <spiral> why don't you just give up trying to give up
[12:08] <Madpilot> PurpleMotion: well, not buy cigs will pay for a lot of exams - congrats
[12:08] <PurpleMotion> Harlin: you need them to get a job. period.
[12:08] <Madpilot> *buying
[12:08] <spiral> embrace your addiction..your identity
[12:08] <f_newton> said like a true holder of certs trying to keep others from getting them too
[12:09] <Mastaki|lah> Unfortunately there is no other comps on LAN. But i found a solution.
[12:09] <Harlin> PurpleMotion: i have 1 (A+) and that's it. Ive been in the field for about 7 years
[12:09] <rowanjl> Bleh back later, downloading stuff
[12:09] <Harlin> PurpleMotion: my cert did nothing for me
[12:09] <PurpleMotion> yup, and EVERYBODY requires A+, even though the cert is 100% shite
[12:09] <PurpleMotion> but without it you cant even get a lowly tech position
[12:09] <Harlin> PurpleMotion: most of the people where i work dont have any cers
[12:09] <f_newton> yes but it keeps testtaker in bologna and cheese
[12:09] <Harlin> certs*
[12:10] <PurpleMotion> where do you work? I need a job.
[12:10] <PurpleMotion> cause i have YEARS of real world experience
[12:10] <Harlin> PurpleMotion: you have any experience?
[12:10] <cisa> Seveas: ok, installation worked. i build the driver - doesn't work :(
[12:10] <Harlin> PurpleMotion: professional experience?
[12:10] <PurpleMotion> a couple years. but nothing in any one specialization
[12:10] <Random_Sindrom> <== need a job too
[12:11] <PurpleMotion> that's where having a cert or two would be nice
[12:11] <Harlin> PurpleMotion: looks like its desktop support world for you ;)
[12:11] <f_newton> lol I need a better job
[12:11] <spiral> I have a mail problem - my mail server emails some addresses just fine (like my gmail account), but does not successfuly email other *addresses* (like my yahoo account). What could be the problem?
[12:11] <Madpilot> has this turning into #linux-jobhunting suddenly? ;)
[12:11] <Harlin> PurpleMotion: what area of the world you live in?
[12:11] <PurpleMotion> Harlin: not if i get these certs... i guarantee they'll land me a sysadmin or sysop position
[12:11] <PurpleMotion> ohio, usa
[12:11] <PurpleMotion> they just look all kinds of official, heh
[12:11] <Harlin> PurpleMotion: good luck, i really hope it works like that for you
[12:12] <Random_Sindrom> better that #linux-do-nothing
[12:12] <Harlin> PurpleMotion: what would be your ideal (realistic) job you would like to do?
[12:12] <Madpilot> Random_Sindrom: heh. right now it's #ubuntu-0315-and-time-to-crash for me...
[12:12] <PurpleMotion> I want to build call-center networks.
[12:12] <PurpleMotion> I have a knack for large-scale user networks
[12:12] <Harlin> PurpleMotion: what kind of jobs have you done in the past?
[12:13] <topyli> by popular (i.e. topyli's) demand, breezy's default theme should be clearlooks-gperfection :)
[12:13] <Harlin> PurpleMotion: in field i mean
[12:13] <Razor-X> by popular demand, breezy Kubuntu's default theme should be Plastik Lipstik ;)
[12:14] <T_T_T_T_T> hi everyone
[12:14] <T_T_T_T_T> help
[12:14] <PurpleMotion> call center support, system administration, it director (small company, more like it department), lead technician, liason to corporate clients, in-depth troubleshooting (things other techs could not fix), city-wide school system network upgrade
[12:14] <Random_Sindrom> hi T_T_T..
[12:14] <PurpleMotion> umm
[12:14] <Madpilot> clearlooks is good
[12:14] <PurpleMotion> lots of stuff.
[12:14] <Harlin> PurpleMotion: all this in two years?
[12:15] <Harlin> PurpleMotion: should be able to write your own ticket with no certs
[12:15] <PurpleMotion> nah, more like ten, but there's a lot of stuff i wouldn't list on a resume.. only about two years worth
[12:16] <PurpleMotion> some stuff i wouldnt list cause i was learning as i went, some stuff because things went sideways, and two because the company just don't exist anymore
[12:16] <Belutz> ???
[12:16] <Madpilot> !ops
[12:16] <ubotu> Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, fooishbar, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmich, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia!
[12:16] <dArtagnan> time to hide join and part events
[12:17] <Belutz> !ops
[12:17] <gotier> !ops
[12:17] <linlin> assholes...
[12:17] <f_newton> lol
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[12:17] <PurpleMotion> like 3 people have yelled ops, i doubt we need to do it again
[12:17] <PurpleMotion> this is about lame anyways
[12:17] <Random_Sindrom> woman an children first!!!
[12:17] <linlin> XD
[12:17] <topyli> Madpilot: gPerfection makes clearlooks even more gPerfect. :) check: http://siltala.net/comp/Hoary-desktop.jpg
[12:17] <PurpleMotion> git em
[12:17] <Seveas> sorry for the delay
[12:18] <f_newton> its happening on fedora too
[12:18] <linlin> how lame do you get...
[12:18] <chrissturm> whats +r?
[12:18] <linlin> regged nicks only
[12:18] <chrissturm> cool
[12:18] <PurpleMotion> damnt hat looks good
[12:19] <cisa> Seveas: any idea?
[12:19] <Madpilot> topyli: very nice. will have to check gnome-look for gPerfection
[12:19] <f_newton> thats the same butthead that did that over in another channel a few weeks ago
[12:19] <PurpleMotion> i mean that looks really good
[12:19] <PurpleMotion> but i still like this humanized-grover look
[12:19] <PurpleMotion> kinda sorta
[12:19] <topyli> Madpilot: yeah. search for gperfection and find the wallpaper and firefox theme as well :)
[12:20] <PurpleMotion> more like a warm-noia-earthy-grover
[12:20] <PurpleMotion> it's pretty thats for sure
[12:20] <Madpilot> I like clearlooks - I'm a sucker for rounded corners...
[12:20] <PurpleMotion> im the same with reverse bevels
[12:20] <f_newton> if they are rounded they arent corners
[12:21] <PurpleMotion> especially with inset 3d buttons
[12:21] <PurpleMotion> *uNF*
[12:21] <Madpilot> f_newton: pedant ;)
[12:21] <f_newton> lol
[12:21] <Belutz> hungry
[12:21] <f_newton> me too
[12:21] <Belutz> apt-get pizza
[12:21] <PurpleMotion> Seveas: so two hundred bucks for these two certs... not bad.. any chance of a study guide with a sample test cd?
[12:22] <PurpleMotion> if so, ill buy it this friday, and take the first test int wo weeks
[12:22] <ompaul> PurpleMotion, https://wall.lpi.org/en/obj_101.html
[12:22] <ompaul> that is level one
[12:22] <Michi^BG2> hello :)
[12:22] <PurpleMotion> yes, i know
[12:22] <Jemt> Hi Michi^BG2
[12:22] <Michi^BG2> any germans experts here? *g* i need one
[12:22] <PurpleMotion> i want an all-in-one study guide
[12:23] <PurpleMotion> designed for the test
[12:23] <Seveas> Michi^BG2, #ubuntu-de :)
[12:23] <PurpleMotion> that system works _well_
[12:23] <Michi^BG2> thx^^
[12:23] <topyli> Michi^BG2: try #ubuntu-de
[12:23] <topyli> hf
[12:24] <Harlin> im trying to do: apt-get install bzflag but get return saying there is no package named bzflag... i just did a standard install, is there anything else i need to have to get this to work?
[12:25] <Random_Sindrom> some web page about breezy features?
[12:25] <PurpleMotion> heh, Linux Cramsession for LPI Part 1
[12:25] <PurpleMotion> $40.99
[12:25] <PurpleMotion> *uNF*
[12:25] <Seveas> Random_Sindrom, udu.wiki.ubuntu.com
[12:25] <Madpilot> anyone else having trouble getting to http://gnome-look.org/?
[12:25] <PurpleMotion> hundred and fifty bucks per test
[12:25] <Seveas> Madpilot, seems to be down indeed
[12:25] <Jemt> Madpilot: Yep
[12:25] <PurpleMotion> O'Reilley LPI Linux Certification In A Nutshell
[12:25] <Madpilot> glad it's not just me. will try again tomorrow
[12:26] <Jemt> Madpilot: ^^
[12:26] <Seveas> Madpilot, the thing does not even respond to pings :)
[12:26] <Madpilot> Seveas: wow, it's all the way down...
[12:26] <floppyears> hi
[12:26] <daydreamis> hi
[12:27] <floppyears> does dsl also use nic cards to setup or does it use a modem
[12:27] <floppyears> sorry if the question is too dumb :(
[12:27] <Seveas> floppyears, depends on your provider....
[12:27] <Jemt> flodine: Well, actually you need a DSL modem - which is connected to a NIC or a Switch
[12:27] <Seveas> mine (demon) gives me a modem that takes care of the dsl bit, so I need just DHCP
[12:27] <c3101> mine uses modem
[12:27] <Jemt> floppyears: : Well, actually you need a DSL modem - which is connected to a NIC or a Switch
[12:27] <Jemt> flodine: Sorry, not for you :)
[12:28] <Seveas> other give you a modem that you connect to via a somple nic and use PPPOE on top of it
[12:28] <Jemt> floppyears: The setup can be like this : phone-line > DSL modem > Router > Switch > PC OR phone-line > DSL modem > PC
[12:28] <PurpleMotion> but like 99.9999% of dsl modems are capable of logging you into the system and keeping your connection alive and up 24/7
[12:28] <floppyears> thank you guys
[12:29] <Jemt> floppyears: no problem :)
[12:29] <Harlin> how does one install a local .deb package?
[12:29] <mjr> Harlin, dpkg -i
[12:29] <Seveas> dpkg -i filename.deb
[12:29] <PurpleMotion> Harlin: dpkg -i package.deb
[12:30] <PurpleMotion> but you might want to --no-act it first to see how it's going to behave
[12:30] <topyli> "wajig install foo.deb" will also solve dependencies :)
[12:31] <Harlin> PurpleMotion: how come i cant get bzflag when i do apt-get install?
[12:31] <PurpleMotion> what do you mean?
[12:31] <Harlin> when i do: apt-get install bzflag, i get no package named bzflag
[12:31] <Harlin> i tried bzflag2
[12:31] <PurpleMotion> Date: Tue Aug 02 Time: 06:31:29
[12:31] <PurpleMotion> {jay@psilocybin (~)}:$ dpkg -l bzflag
[12:31] <PurpleMotion> No packages found matching bzflag.
[12:31] <PurpleMotion> lemme check
[12:31] <Harlin> yeah
[12:31] <PurpleMotion> apt-cache search bzflag
[12:32] <Jemt> Harlin: Try searching for it : apt-cache search bzflag
[12:32] <PurpleMotion> {jay@psilocybin (~)}:$ apt-cache search bzflag
[12:32] <PurpleMotion> bzflag - a 3D first person tank battle game
[12:32] <PurpleMotion> bzflag-server - bzfs - BZFlag game server and proxy
[12:32] <PurpleMotion> do you have universe and multiverse?
[12:32] <Jemt> Harlin: Seems that it exist in the Universe or Multiverse or Extras
[12:32] <flodine> anyone on openbox?
[12:33] <PurpleMotion> i looked at openbox.. didnt look bad at all
[12:33] <Jemt> Harlin: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[12:33] <Harlin> hmm
[12:33] <PurpleMotion> !ubuntuguide
[12:33] <ubotu> I guess ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[12:33] <flodine> it work good
[12:33] <Harlin> not liking this so far
[12:34] <PurpleMotion> !repositories
[12:34] <ubotu> methinks repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto, or repos
[12:34] <turkuaz> !ubuntuguide
[12:34] <Harlin> no default support for GLX
[12:34] <Harlin> not good
[12:34] <Seveas> Harlin, did you ever edit /etc/apt/sources.list?
[12:34] <PurpleMotion> between those two, you should be able to get it figured out
[12:34] <Harlin> Seveas, no i didnt
[12:34] <Harlin> i have to edit this file by hand?
[12:34] <Harlin> hand editing... bad
[12:34] <Tomcat_> Harlin: Nah, you can do that with synaptic.
[12:34] <Seveas> Harlin, sudo wget http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/?download=38 -O /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:34] <Harlin> hmm
[12:34] <Seveas> that gives you the complete sources.list for hoary
[12:35] <Harlin> looks like thumbs down on this
[12:35] <PurpleMotion> thumbs down because you have to edit a file?
[12:35] <Harlin> still not ready for prime time
[12:35] <PurpleMotion> wow
[12:35] <Harlin> yeah for something like setting up sources
[12:35] <Harlin> Mandriva, you dont have to do that
[12:35] <Seveas> Harlin, and GLX by default is impossible since only the proprietary drivers provide that
[12:35] <Harlin> or even Yum for that matter
[12:35] <flodine> anyone have fbpager up
[12:35] <PurpleMotion> you're actually comparing ubuntu to mandriva?
[12:36] <Harlin> Seveas: Mandriva does this
[12:36] <Seveas> Harlin, and you can set the repositories in the package manager too, there is a good reason the universe repository is not on by default
[12:36] <PurpleMotion> hey Tomcat_ , i know you from dalnet, dont i
[12:36] <Harlin> true Seveas
[12:36] <topyli> Harlin: it's easier on the command line on mandrake too :)
[12:36] <Seveas> Harlin, then go with mandriva if you like it better :)
[12:36] <Harlin> topyli: exactly
[12:36] <Harlin> Seveas: oh i prob will
[12:36] <PurpleMotion> have fun with that
[12:37] <topyli> Harlin: anyway, it's not something you're supposed to be doing all the time
[12:37] <Jemt> Harlin: I switched from Mandrake (now Mandriva) to Ubuntu because of the lack of updates
[12:37] <Harlin> Seveas: nonetheless, when Ubuntu gets these things in, ill be more apt to get back into it, i like the concept although i am not a "we are the world" type
[12:37] <Harlin> Jemt: how long ago?
[12:37] <poningru> what exactly is the prob?
[12:37] <ma3x> Why is ubuntu so slow? (KDE)
[12:37] <Seveas> Harlin, GLX on by default will not happen soon unless the open source drivers support it...
[12:38] <Harlin> Seveas: yeah but it is on Mandriva
[12:38] <ma3x> when I open a browser or start the task manager, it takes like 10 seconds
[12:38] <PurpleMotion> im not a we are the world type either, but i'll tell you what once anyone gets under the hood of ubuntu who knows their shit, they're gonna love it..
[12:38] <floppyears> I have a questions why does ubuntu every so often merge changes with debian ?
[12:38] <topyli> Harlin: you can edit the sources with a gui just as well
[12:38] <Xyc0> ma3x: be more descriptive, ubuntu is very fast for me
[12:38] <Tomcat_> PurpleMotion: No, the nick is pretty often used nowadays... when I saw your nick I thought "Hey I know you from the demoscene", but then your realname and location don't match. :)
[12:38] <Jemt> Harlin: About two weeks ago. But ok, I have been used to Debian clones as I have been using Knoppix earlier
[12:38] <poningru> someone kick this idiot
[12:38] <Seveas> floppyears, because the debian packages update too :)
[12:38] <Harlin> topyli: true but i just prefer URPM more that's all
[12:38] <XYTTY> hi
[12:38] <PurpleMotion> Tomcat_: lol.. well the fellow on dalnet even had the trailing _
[12:38] <Seveas> poningru, language...
[12:38] <poningru> this is not a place where we have flame wars
[12:38] <topyli> Harlin: ok then
[12:38] <Harlin> kick someone because they dont like your distro?
[12:38] <Harlin> that's silly
[12:38] <XYTTY> Are you french?
[12:38] <Seveas> Harlin, true :)
[12:38] <Tomcat_> PurpleMotion: Heh... necessary when there's already "Tomcat" nicks everywhere. :I
[12:38] <Seveas> that's not going to happen
[12:38] <Harlin> no, not french
[12:39] <poningru> Harlin: dude its because its interfearing with the support channel
[12:39] <PurpleMotion> heh i guess so
[12:39] <Random_Sindrom> Let Harlin go
[12:39] <Xyc0> don't feed the trolls
[12:39] <Jemt> Harlin: apt-get is just as good as URPM* actually. All you need to do is to setup the source list. If you want, I can help you
[12:39] <floppyears> Seveas: it seems that ubuntu has succeded where debian has failed, so why bother with debian ?
[12:39] <topyli> bah
[12:39] <Harlin> im not a troll
[12:39] <PurpleMotion> hes not a troll, hes just lazy
[12:39] <Harlin> Jemt: ok, im willing to listen
[12:39] <ma3x> Xyc0: it's somehow very slow, if you go to the display preferences to change the background, it takes about 10-20 seconds, only to preview it in the little window
[12:39] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, ....
[12:39] <PurpleMotion> he wants to click everything
[12:39] <PurpleMotion> what?
[12:39] <Harlin> not necessarily PurpleMotion
[12:39] <ma3x> Xyc0: I have a GIG of ram, and a swap partition. Should I delete the swap partition?
[12:39] <Xyc0> ma3x: How much memory do you have?
[12:39] <Hoxzer> where is the ubuntu's recyler located?
[12:39] <Seveas> Hoxzer, ~/.Trash
[12:39] <Xyc0> ma3x: neg
[12:39] <Harlin> PurpleMotion: id like it if i didnt' have to do any pecking or clicking :D
[12:40] <ma3x> Xyc0: What means neg?
[12:40] <Jemt> Harlin: Or even give you my source list along with instructions to install it. I'll make it public available so that people in here can see that I'm not trying to make you install some crappy source list.
[12:40] <PurpleMotion> Harlin: how many boxes do you administer?
[12:40] <Xyc0> ma3x: negative, no
[12:40] <Hoxzer> for some reason I can't see it in down of the screen
[12:40] <Harlin> Jemt: that sounds very good
[12:40] <ma3x> Xyc0: what is then the problem?
[12:40] <Harlin> Jemt: give me the details and ill be happy to give it a go
[12:40] <Xyc0> ma3x: is it just the webbrowser? or other programs too?
[12:40] <Seveas> Jemt, I already gave him the list of all official repos :)
[12:40] <Jemt> Harlin: Sure, just a sec :)
[12:40] <Seveas> !source
[12:40] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, Seveas
[12:40] <Seveas> hmm
[12:40] <Seveas> !repositories
[12:40] <ubotu> I guess repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto, or repos
[12:41] <PurpleMotion> i think its sources as well
[12:41] <PurpleMotion> !sources
[12:41] <ma3x> Xyc0: every program runs slow
[12:41] <ubotu> from memory, sources is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:41] <Seveas> !repos
[12:41] <ubotu> well, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:41] <Random_Sindrom> Hoxze.. there is a applet in the panel
[12:41] <PurpleMotion> yup
[12:41] <Jemt> Seveas: Oh, ok. Then he'll be fine. Harlin: Have you recieved Seveas' source list ?
[12:41] <Xyc0> ma3x: Did you install drivers for your card?
[12:41] <Jemt> Harlin: If you have: 1) Start a terminal : Applications > System Tools > Terminal
[12:41] <Xyc0> ma3x: video card* sorry
[12:42] <ma3x> Xyc0: it's like if I close some window, it doesn't close instantly, but it displays the closing action, and takes about 1-2 secs
[12:42] <Hoxzer> Random: I cant see it
[12:42] <Seveas> Jemt, I gave him the easy one-liner :)
[12:42] <Seveas> sudo wget http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/?download=38 -O /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:42] <PurpleMotion> and you never did tell me how many boxes you administer that you're so worried about how many things you're going to have to manually click or edit
[12:42] <Jemt> Seveas: Great :)
[12:42] <ma3x> Xyc0: they should be automatically installed, since I have tested glxgears
[12:42] <Jemt> Harlin: Are you still with me ? :)
[12:42] <Hoxzer> only thing I see is that speaker
[12:42] <ma3x> Xyc0: and I tried tuxracer, it was fine
[12:42] <Xyc0> ma3x: what kind of processor?
[12:43] <Jemt> Tuxracer rox :)
[12:43] <Xyc0> he he
[12:43] <ma3x> Xyc0: Intel IV M
[12:43] <Hoxzer> how do I empty trash if it isn't in panel? :E
[12:43] <ma3x> 2,4 GHz
[12:43] <Harlin> yeah
[12:43] <Jemt> Hoxzer: Just add it :)
[12:43] <Harlin> still here
[12:43] <Seveas> Hoxzer, rm ~/.Trash/*
[12:43] <topyli> ah. who needs local music when we have soma fm? :)
[12:43] <ompaul> that backports tinyurl in the topic ain't working from here
[12:43] <Hoxzer> Jemt: how?
[12:44] <PurpleMotion> cause i promise you i can write a series of scripts that updates network-wide (you only make one change) via nfs :) probably take me about a day to put the whole thing together and make you a completely automated install cd
[12:44] <ma3x> Xyc0: I just tried out tuxracer and it doesn't run very smoothly either. Not like ppracer used on the previous ubuntu install
[12:44] <PurpleMotion> for your workstations
[12:44] <Jemt> Hoxzer: Rightclick on your panel > Add to panel. Find the trash and use the Add button
[12:44] <Xyc0> ma3x: hmmm, what kinda laptop, im on a dell right now with close to the same specs
[12:44] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, too much work
[12:44] <PurpleMotion> they'll automagically update themselves
[12:44] <Harlin> ok, thanks for the help
[12:44] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, you need PXE install :)
[12:44] <Harlin> see you all
[12:44] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, i wrote this: wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOnCluster
[12:44] <PurpleMotion> Seveas: for a large network, there's nothing better than doing it yourself :)
[12:44] <PurpleMotion> I'll have a look
[12:44] <Seveas> and am successfully operating a cluster with it :)
[12:45] <ma3x> Xyc0: HP what other specifics should I say?
[12:45] <Xyc0> no thats fine
[12:45] <Xyc0> ma3x: did you install kubuntu or ubuntu then installed kde?
[12:45] <ma3x> Xyc0: I installed kubuntu directly
[12:46] <Oniano|iBook> does it matter which version of gcc u use to compile the kernel?
[12:46] <Oniano|iBook> i'm using 4.02
[12:46] <Oniano|iBook> and i'm getting some compiler errors
[12:47] <Oniano|iBook> and wondering if it's because i'm using a particular version of gcc
[12:47] <chrissturm> Oniano|iBook, i think compiling the kernel is only supported with gcc 3.4
[12:47] <Oniano|iBook> ok
[12:47] <Seveas> Oniano|iBook, why on earth do you compile the kernel yourself and not follow the instructions?
[12:48] <Seveas> Oniano|iBook: You can find compilation instructions on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto
[12:48] <ompaul> !skype
[12:48] <ubotu> well, skype is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/
[12:48] <Seveas> and indeed kernel + gcc4 is a no-go
[12:48] <PurpleMotion> Seveas: wouldnt /etc/init.d/nis stop be just as easy?
[12:48] <topyli> ahh... OOo2 finally uses ~/.openoffice.org2 for keeping my settings
[12:49] <Xyc0> ma3x: Is this something that happened recently or since you installed kubuntu?
[12:49] <ma3x> Xyc0: it was fine when I installed it
[12:49] <Xyc0> ma3x: IE. Did you change or install something
[12:49] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, in which step?
[12:49] <tikka> anyone have experience with installing e17 from cvs?
[12:49] <PurpleMotion> whichever
[12:50] <c3101> just did it tikka :)
[12:50] <ma3x> Java, mozilla, firefox and upgraded
[12:50] <Xyc0> ma3x: something you installed is causeing problems, and I have an itchy feeling it is your video drivers
[12:50] <tikka> sexual
[12:50] <ma3x> Xyc0: But I haven't installed any video drivers
[12:50] <c3101> erm, no, just e17
[12:50] <MyKq3> hello i m trying to install Epiphany Web Browser on Ubuntu 5.04
[12:50] <tikka> lol
[12:50] <ma3x> Plus I have the feeling it's the cpu or ram
[12:50] <MyKq3> and i resove lots of err
[12:51] <ma3x> Xyc0: One moment please, I will try to restart KDE
[12:51] <Xyc0> MyKq3: how are you trying to install it?
[12:51] <ma3x> and update respectively
[12:51] <Xyc0> rgr
[12:51] <Seveas> MyKq3, apt should install it without errors...
[12:51] <MyKq3> dpkg -i Xyc0
[12:51] <Seveas> MyKq3, where dod you get the .deb file from?
[12:51] <Seveas> manually downloading .deb files is a bad idea, there is apt to do that for you
[12:52] <MyKq3> from the offical site of Epiphany Web Browser
[12:52] <Xyc0> MyKq3: sudo apt-get install epiphany-browser
[12:52] <Seveas> MyKq3, probably a bad idea
[12:52] <Seveas> follow Xyc0s advice
[12:52] <Xyc0> MyKq3: run that in your terminal
[12:52] <tikka> c3101, did you do it by hand or use a script?
[12:52] <MyKq3> Xyc0, yeah but o want to install Epiphany Web Browser 1.7.3 and not 1
[12:52] <MyKq3> 1.6.1 **
[12:52] <Seveas> MyKq3, i'm guessing that that will need much newer libraries...
[12:53] <c3101> tikka, by hand
[12:53] <Seveas> so don't :)
[12:53] <Xyc0> MyKq3: then you need to find the ubuntu packages, not the debian
[12:53] <MyKq3> =\ hummm
[12:53] <Xyc0> MyKq3: or compile it from source
[12:53] <tikka> c3101, save this for ur next build.. i just stumbled on it when looking for the cvs password (i cant believe i didnt try return ahah) http://contribs.martymac.com/e17/make_e17
[12:53] <MyKq3> thanks ppl i think i will wait for the next Ubuntu version =\
[12:53] <MyKq3> =] *
[12:54] <Seveas> MyKq3, or try this: first install from apt and THEN do dpkg -i on the newer version
[12:54] <Rydekull> hmm
[12:54] <Rydekull> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/epiphany-browser/
[12:54] <Seveas> it might be simply a resolvable dependency problem :)
[12:54] <Xyc0> Seveas: yea, good idea
[12:54] <MyKq3> Seveas, done that =]
[12:54] <Seveas> MyKq3, if that won't work: you should stick to 1.6.1 :)
[12:54] <PurpleMotion> okay, now
[12:54] <PurpleMotion> bed
[12:54] <MyKq3> =] yeah i guess so =]
[12:54] <PurpleMotion> for real
[12:55] <PurpleMotion> good night
[12:55] <PurpleMotion> or morning, as the case may be
[12:55] <MyKq3> its a shame that Epiphany don't have open in new tab option =\
[12:55] <cisa> ok, found the problem. the modules is saved into /lib/modules/2.6.10-5/ but uname -r says 2.6.10-5-386. if i copy the module into the 2.6.10-5-386 directory or insmod it from the path it was installed to i get an error that has something to do with wrong module format
[12:55] <Rydekull> Epiphany is in 1.7.3 in Ubuntu, dunno which ubuntu though but you guys should be able to see that
[12:55] <inCo> hi guys, can someone please help? keep in mind that im a fresh linux user here... i would like to install kvirc 3, ive tried searvhing in synaptic and get version 2 as the ltest.apt-get tells me that i have the latest installed. but on the website i downloaded "kvirc-3.2.0.tar.bz2" and i would like to install it, can anyone tell me how i go about doing it please?
[12:56] <c3101> tikka, wicked, would have saved me a lot of typing ! :)
[12:56] <dimitris> Anyone knows where i can get amule 2.0.0 deb package? I don't want to install 2.0.3 from the apt-get repositories since i had some problems with it.
[12:56] <tikka> c3101, hehe
[12:56] <tikka> c3101, i havent tested yet though ;p im just in process of running it
[12:57] <cisa> looks like the driver wants to have the complete source an not only the headers. but i can only find linux-source-2.6.10_2.6.10-34_all.deb on the mirror. not 2.6.10-5-386
[12:57] <Seveas> Rydekull, that's for breezy
[12:57] <floppyears> dimitris: I would use google to find the package, and "dpkg -i" to install it
[12:57] <Rydekull> Seveas: well see, as I said, I could only see that it was in ubuntu somehwere, assumed it was breezy :)
[12:57] <Seveas> inCo, tar jxvf kvirc-3.2.0.tar.bz2 and read the readme
[12:57] <Xyc0> :>...l ]
[12:57] <Xyc0> ''''''.sd8d ;l
[12:57] <Xyc0> sorry cat
[12:57] <turkuaz> For those of you looking for applications try apt-get.org
[12:58] <floppyears> dimitris: but you are going to have troubles.
[12:58] <floppyears> dimitris: when you do apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, it will try to install the newer package :(
[12:58] <inCo> been running linux only a few days and i need a hand, can someone please help? i would like to install kvirc 3, ive tried searching in synaptic and get version 2 as the latest.apt-get tells me that i have the latest installed. but on the website i downloaded "kvirc-3.2.0.tar.bz2" and i would like to install it, can anyone tell me how i go about doing it please?
[12:58] <Seveas> inCo, I just told you...
[12:59] <inCo> lol?
[12:59] <Xyc0> inCo: sudo apt-get install kvirc
[12:59] <dimitris> floppyears, Isn't there a way to ignore the latest version of amule and not upgrade?
[12:59] <inCo> i havent got my glasses 1 sec
[12:59] <Xyc0> inCo: Run that in terminal
[12:59] <Seveas> dimitris, in the package manager select lock version in the menu
[12:59] <floppyears> inCo: nobody can really help you. The installation is different you have to read the README or INSTALL
[12:59] <Seveas> (when you selected the package)
[12:59] <Xyc0> inCo: ha ha, right as you just said that my cat knocked off my glassses
[01:00] <Xyc0> crazy kittens and their drugs
[01:00] <Seveas> :)
[01:00] <dimitris> Ok thnx
[01:01] <inCo> kvirc is already the newest version.
[01:01] <inCo> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[01:01] <inCo> my kvirc is 2.1.3
[01:01] <Xyc0> should be 2.2
[01:02] <Xyc0> no 2.1 your right
[01:02] <d3javu> guys ... good day :)
[01:02] <Xyc0> is it day time already?
[01:02] <inCo> how come most up-tp-date is 3.2.0, they dont update repositories?
[01:02] <T_T_T_T_T> bai
[01:03] <Seveas> inCo, not when a release is stable
[01:03] <Seveas> only security updates
[01:03] <d3javu> Guy... my problem is : first .. when boot unbuntu ... i get kernel panic ... then when i restart ... while boot ... there is 1 long beep and 3 short beep sound and screen become blank. Any idea?
[01:03] <Hoxzer> how do I fix apt-get server list to orginal?
[01:03] <Xyc0> inCo: http://kvirc.net/?id=releases&platform=unix&version=3.2.0&group=debian
[01:03] <Seveas> d3javu, did you compile your own kernel?
[01:04] <topyli> inCo: this version of ubuntu will always have 2.1. the next one will have whatever is current when it's released
[01:04] <Seveas> Hoxzer: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[01:04] <d3javu> Seveas, Nope ... i install using unbuntu cd ... auto-detection
[01:04] <Seveas> d3javu, hmm, the booting here is that booting the install cd or the installed system?
[01:05] <d3javu> Seveas,installed system.
[01:05] <Xyc0> Seveas: no one is gonna add it to backports?
[01:05] <Seveas> d3javu, first guess is defect hardware, run memtest86 from the boot menu for an hour to see whther there are memory errors
[01:05] <floppyears> inCo: what does "apt-get show package-name" give you ?
[01:06] <d3javu> Seveas, memtest pass :)
[01:06] <d3javu> memory is working
[01:06] <Seveas> Xyc0, ask the backports developers to do that :)
[01:06] <d3javu> Opps an hour?
[01:06] <Seveas> d3javu, hm....
[01:06] <d3javu> Ok ... let me try it ...
[01:06] <Xyc0> floppyears: current is 2.1, he wants 3.2
[01:06] <d3javu> hmm is there any other option?
[01:06] <Hoxzer> Seveas: where is that sources.list located?
[01:06] <d3javu> if in case the memory is working?
[01:06] <Seveas> d3javu, reinstall ;)
[01:06] <d3javu> Aaaw
[01:06] <Seveas> Hoxzer, /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:06] <d3javu> Ok .. let me try first
[01:06] <floppyears> Xyc0: oh, ok. Is just that sometimes the .deb package versioning may not reflect the actual version # of the program.
[01:06] <d3javu> Thank you Seveas. :)
[01:07] <Seveas> d3javu, or boot with all acpi things forced off
[01:07] <Hoxzer> thx
[01:07] <Seveas> noapic nolapic acpi=off
[01:07] <Xyc0> How do I get ubuntu to turn off the screen when I shut the lid on my laptop?
[01:08] <Seveas> Xyc0, it should do that already...
[01:08] <Xyc0> neg
[01:08] <six2one> like lock th screen?
[01:08] <Xyc0> i pry it up a bit to see it is on
[01:08] <Seveas> Xyc0, then edit /etc/acpi/lid.sh to call dpms off
[01:08] <Xyc0> no acpi dir
[01:09] <Seveas> Xyc0, you need acpi installed for this to work...
[01:10] <Xyc0> APT SAYS IT IS
[01:10] <Xyc0> oops
[01:10] <ma3x> hello
[01:10] <Madpilot> does gParted work well w/ SATA drives?
[01:10] <Seveas> dennis@mirage ~ $ dpkg -S /etc/acpi/lid.sh
[01:10] <Seveas> acpi-support: /etc/acpi/lid.sh
[01:10] <Seveas> install acpi-support :)
[01:11] <ma3x> Xyc0: are you still there?
[01:11] <Xyc0> hi
[01:12] <ma3x> I updated kde but still cannot fix the problem. But I've noticed now when I connected to IRC, in the status window, when I got the MOTD it was buffering extremly slow (line by line)
[01:12] <ma3x> so that might be proof that it's from the graphic card?
[01:12] <kauko> how can i look film
[01:12] <ma3x> or now when I switch windows between channels, it takes always 1 second
[01:13] <Xyc0> brb
[01:14] <Xyc0> ma3x: glxinfo
[01:15] <Xyc0> ma3x: scroll to the top to see if direct rendering is enabled
[01:15] <kauko> exit
[01:15] <pax> use | grep rendering
[01:16] <ma3x> Xyc0: direct rendering: Yes
[01:17] <hussam> Yes I know it is not necessary but is there any on access virus scanning fro Linux. ( I currently scan everything I download with the free f-prot command line scanner )
[01:17] <hussam> ?
[01:17] <Xyc0> hussam: clamav
[01:17] <hussam> does is do on access scanning?
[01:17] <Xyc0> what do you mean?
[01:17] <Belutz> hussam: no it is not
[01:18] <master486> Do i need to divide a HDD into two parts if i want to have win xp and ubuntu on same physical HDD
[01:18] <Belutz> hussam: i think there is no on access virus scanner for linux yet
[01:18] <Belutz> hussam: as far as i know, avast is developing it right now
[01:18] <hussam> will the avast be for free?
[01:18] <Belutz> hussam: avast is free
[01:18] <Xyc0> ma3x: I would honestly start over and reinstall. Something you installed should be borked
[01:19] <Xyc0> master486: yes
[01:19] <master486> ok thanks.
[01:20] <ma3x> Xyc0: It's really a lot of work, please spare me Sir
[01:21] <Xyc0> ma3x: it will be mush more work to uninstall everything to see what is messing it up
[01:21] <pax> reinstall to fix xorg?!
[01:21] <asad2k5> how ot preserve file directories when archiving / extracting with file roler
[01:21] <ma3x> but is it at least from the video card?
[01:22] <Xyc0> pax: can you figure out what he changed to get kubuntu to run like molasses?
[01:23] <pax> Xyc0: explain the problem
[01:23] <Xyc0> pax: He installed kubuntu, works fine
[01:23] <Xyc0> pax: Now he says it takes forever to open any programs
[01:24] <pax> what kde ver is he using?
[01:24] <Xyc0> ask him
[01:24] <Xyc0> ma3x: what version of KDE did you update to?
[01:25] <ma3x> Xyc0: 3.4.2
[01:25] <pax> ma3x: so everything works fine under gnome and not with kde?
[01:25] <Xyc0> kubuntu*
[01:26] <Xyc0> meaning, gnome is not installed unless he did so on his own
[01:27] <ma3x> i have no gnome
[01:27] <pax> everything runs slow, compering to what?
[01:28] <tikka> ma3x, what cpu are you using
[01:29] <tikka> *wondering*
[01:29] <ma3x> intel mobile 4 2,4ghz
[01:30] <Xyc0> His system should respond better then it is
[01:31] <pax> ma3x: when you use 'top' how many tasks you have running total, and what's the cpu/memory usage?
[01:31] <persia> Yay! Working virtual MIDI! Did anyone else want this and found it frustrating?
[01:31] <afaik> whenever I burn a cd, my memory usage is 100% and everything runs EXTREMELY slow... why? I didn't have this problem in Debian?
[01:32] <afaik> I mean, my laptop becomes UNBEARABLY slow
[01:32] <ma3x> Tasks: 76 total, Mem: 906656k total, 896912k used, 9744k free, 44764k buffers Swap: 658624k total, 2816k used, 655808k free, 682328k cached
[01:32] <afaik> even the mouse freezes and is difficult to move
[01:33] <ma3x> Cpu(s): 21.4% us, 10.5% sy, 0.0% ni, 65.1% id, 0.0% wa, 2.3% hi, 0.7% si
[01:33] <mcscruff> im trying to compile something and get this error
[01:33] <mcscruff> http://www.kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php
[01:33] <mcscruff> oops
[01:33] <mcscruff> checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp
[01:33] <mcscruff> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[01:33] <mcscruff> See `config.log' for more details.
[01:33] <Belutz> how to use crontab ?
[01:33] <pax> ma3x: what's using all that memory?
[01:34] <afaik> ma3x, you need to acquire a spinlock
[01:34] <afaik> Tasks: 98 total, 2 running, 96 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie
[01:34] <afaik> Cpu(s): 73.0% us, 20.6% sy, 0.0% ni, 1.2% id, 2.8% wa, 2.0% hi, 0.4% si
[01:34] <afaik> Mem: 255832k total, 252484k used, 3348k free, 5028k buffers
[01:34] <afaik> it'll get worse too
[01:35] <afaik> allI am doing is burning a cd
[01:35] <pax> what are you burning with?
[01:35] <persia> Belutz: `man -S 5 crontab` should explain the format. `crontab -e` lets you edit your own.
[01:35] <afaik> k3b
[01:35] <pax> weird
[01:35] <hussam> I'm compiling dazuko kernel module, after that I did insmod dazuko.o It gives error: insmod: error inserting 'dazuko.o': -1 Invalid module format
[01:35] <Belutz> persia: thx
[01:35] <elvirolo> hi all
[01:35] <hussam> what does that mean?
[01:35] <Xyc0> afaik: what are you using to burn?
[01:35] <ma3x> pax: so is it from the memory, the problem?
[01:36] <Xyc0> oh ah sorry
[01:36] <new_> hey everyone im new to ubuntu
[01:36] <new_> can anyone help me out
[01:36] <pax> ma3x: well seems like something is using all your memory, find out what is it
[01:36] <Xyc0> afaik: nero has a linux version that works quite well, you might want to try it
[01:36] <new_> i wanna install software like a musice downloading one
[01:36] <new_> but i dont know how to
[01:37] <Xyc0> ?
[01:37] <Xyc0> you want to download music?!?!?
[01:37] <new_> yes
[01:37] <Xyc0> illegaly?!?!?!
[01:37] <Xyc0> horrible
[01:37] <new_> its not illegel
[01:37] <elvirolo> i need to get unbuntu on a pc that has only 64 M RAM ... so I thought of doing a server install and then adding icewm, rox-filer, etc ... the thing is, how will I be able to localize the system (i need fr_FR) ?
[01:37] <afaik> yeah, it's not illegal... CUZ INFORMATION WANTS TO BE FREE!!!
[01:37] <afaik> and music is information!
[01:37] <Xyc0> elvirolo: there is a low memory install of ubuntu, try that
[01:38] <new_> hey afiak
[01:38] <kostkon> new_: apt-get install amule!
[01:38] <afaik> :)
[01:38] <Xyc0> new_: try aMule
[01:38] <new_> im running ubuntu verison 5.0.0.9 or something
[01:38] <new_> i just dont understand how to install software on this
[01:38] <new_> im new at it
[01:38] <elvirolo> Xyc0, yes, that's the server install isn't it ?
[01:38] <afaik> Information just WANTS to be free... that's why I download warez rather than paying evil greedy corporate america that charges for software that should be free
[01:38] <kostkon> new_: aMule~=eMule
[01:38] <Xyc0> new_: right click on the back ground and open terminal
[01:39] <elvirolo> Xyc0, i just want to be if abiword, icewm, etc. will be in French
[01:39] <new_> ok
[01:39] <new_> then what
[01:39] <kostkon> new_: apt-get install amule!
[01:39] <kostkon> new_: apt-get install amule
[01:39] <Xyc0> elvirolo: im not sure what you are asking
[01:39] <new_> and thats it
[01:39] <kostkon> new_: yeah!
[01:39] <ma3x> how to find out what's using all that memory
[01:39] <Xyc0> new_: type sudo apt-get install amule
[01:40] <elvirolo> Xyc0, well, I just want my Ubuntu installation to be in French
[01:40] <ma3x> I have closed all other applications, but only about 50-80 MB freed
[01:40] <kostkon> new_: oups I forgot the sudo...
[01:40] <Xyc0> elvirolo: that is very possible
[01:40] <new_> it said reading package list done
[01:40] <Xyc0> elvirolo: ubuntu has the best translations for linux
[01:40] <new_> buliding dependency tree
[01:40] <new_> done
[01:40] <new_> then it says
[01:40] <kostkon> new_: just wait!
[01:40] <kostkon> new_: ok, it's done
[01:40] <Xyc0> elvirolo: you can configure that from install
[01:40] <new_> E: couldnt find package amule
[01:41] <elvirolo> Xyc0, even in server install?
[01:41] <afaik> new_, must be the anti-warez version of ubuntu
[01:41] <new_> how do i get software so i can install
[01:41] <Xyc0> kostkon: he needs the repos for it
[01:41] <elvirolo> new_, enable universe
[01:41] <new_> what
[01:41] <Xyc0> new_: we will help you, dont worry
[01:41] <new_> ok
[01:41] <new_> cool
[01:41] <new_> thanks
[01:41] <bimberi> new_: in general, you can search for and install software using synaptic - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[01:41] <kostkon> Xyc0: yeah now I realised that, i dont remember in what repo is amule
[01:42] <kostkon> Xyc0: is it in multiverse?!!
[01:42] <pax> ma3x: use top or ksysguard to check what process(es) eating all that precious memory
[01:42] <new_> ya i know bimberi
[01:42] <Xyc0> kostkon: walk him trough the steps on ubuntuguide.org
[01:42] <new_> but i have trouble on installin it
[01:42] <Xyc0> kostkon: explain what he is doing so he can do it again
[01:42] <bimberi> kostkon: it's in universe
[01:42] <new_> where is universe
[01:42] <afaik> Cpu(s): 79.8% us, 17.1% sy, 0.0% ni, 0.0% id, 0.0% wa, 1.6% hi, 1.6% si
[01:42] <afaik> Mem: 255832k total, 252444k used, 3388k free, 8104k buffers
[01:42] <afaik> Swap: 506036k total, 99744k used, 406292k free, 107476k cached
[01:43] <afaik> :(
[01:43] <afaik> usage increases
[01:43] <kostkon> new_: you have to add repositories, sources were you can get software, so
[01:43] <bimberi> new_: that page i linked to has another link to how to add repositories
[01:43] <afaik> now the CPU is 88% ... can hardly type
[01:43] <Xyc0> kostkon: no amule is a back port
[01:43] <bimberi> s/to how/on how/
[01:43] <david_2k5> hy
[01:44] <new_> i did that and it didnt work
[01:44] <Xyc0> he he bash conversations rock
[01:44] <kostkon> Xyc0: no it's also in multiverse i think
[01:44] <ma3x> I still can't find out what's using all that memory, it shows in ksysguard or top that most of the processes use only %2 of the memory
[01:44] <Xyc0> kostkon: oh, then the newest is on backport cause I cant see it in multi
[01:46] <ZincX> ftp client is available ?
[01:46] <new_> where do i enable universe
[01:46] <kostkon> new_: go here and tell me if you can do it, what you don't understand, etc..: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[01:47] <Xyc0> er...
[01:47] <ZincX> sumthin like smartftp ?
[01:47] <Xyc0> new_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[01:48] <Xyc0> new_: your probably used to a gui install of programs
[01:48] <Xyc0> new_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:48] <new_> so to add resps i go to the terminal
[01:49] <Xyc0> no use my link above
[01:49] <new_> ok
[01:49] <Xyc0> it will show you how
[01:49] <new_> i clicked it
[01:49] <Xyc0> !repos
[01:49] <ubotu> it has been said that repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:49] <Xyc0> i forget that ubotu helps
[01:50] <Xyc0> !wma
[01:50] <ubotu> Xyc0: I haven't a clue
[01:50] <Xyc0> damn
[01:50] <Xyc0> !ndiswrapper
[01:50] <ubotu> from memory, ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[01:50] <new_> hey xyo ok where do i type in that stuff at where it says sudo and stuff
[01:51] <afaik> in a terminal
[01:51] <new_> so lets say i wanna install
[01:51] <new_> amule
[01:51] <new_> how do i do that
[01:51] <afaik> open a terminal
[01:51] <afaik> type "sudo apt-get instal lamule"
[01:51] <afaik> type password
[01:51] <afaik> that's it :)
[01:51] <Xyc0> new_: did you click the link on how to add repositories?
[01:52] <new_> yes
[01:52] <new_> this is my first day running this
[01:52] <new_> i use to run windows
[01:52] <Xyc0> did you follow the steps?
[01:52] <cafuego> !wma is <reply> Ask me about RestrictedFormats
[01:52] <ubotu> cafuego: okay
[01:52] <Xyc0> did you add universal and community?
[01:53] <Xyc0> !wpa
[01:53] <ubotu> Xyc0: I don't know, could you explain it?
[01:53] <new_> hey afaik
[01:53] <new_> i typed what u said
[01:53] <new_> and this what it told me
[01:53] <new_> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[01:53] <new_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[01:53] <new_> new@ubuntu:~$
[01:53] <Xyc0> close synaptic
[01:53] <thespiritoftal> what is the limit of setting the year? can i set the computer's year to one million? is there a limit?
[01:53] <new_> ok
[01:53] <jonnnn> hello
[01:53] <new_> i closed it
[01:54] <cafuego> thespiritoftal: 32bit time round out in 2049 or somnewhere whereabout.
[01:54] <cafuego> !2**32 - 1
[01:54] <ubotu> 4294967295
[01:54] <Xyc0> now you can use terminal
[01:54] <new_> ok
[01:54] <thespiritoftal> cafuego: So no more than 2049??
[01:54] <sml> guys ... could anyone offer some help to get my new acer notebook going ... xorg is not happy! :(
[01:54] <topyli> thespiritoftal: unix time begins at 1970 and the unix y2k doom for 32 bit boxen is coming :)
[01:55] <new_> Reading package lists... Done
[01:55] <new_> Building dependency tree... Done
[01:55] <new_> E: Couldn't find package amule
[01:55] <cafuego> Tuesday 19 January, 2038 14:14:07 is the maximum 32bit time.
[01:55] <Xyc0> by 2049, nothing will use 32 bit
[01:55] <thespiritoftal> new_: do sudo aptitude update first
[01:55] <cafuego> thespiritoftal: By then of course everyone is supposed to use 64 or 128bit systems.
[01:55] <new_> how do i do that
[01:55] <thespiritoftal> new_: Open terminal type "sudo aptitude update"
[01:56] <cafuego> Much like NOBODY used bad year+1900 code in 2000 ;-)
[01:56] <new_> ok update is done
[01:56] <cafuego> So it was never 19100 instead
[01:56] <new_> now what
[01:56] <thespiritoftal> now type "sudo aptitude install amule" again
[01:56] <cafuego> !2**64
[01:56] <new_> sorry if im being a pain
[01:56] <ubotu> 18446744073709551616
[01:57] <Xyc0> Illegal downloading is still bad
[01:57] <thespiritoftal> any of you who knows javascript?
[01:57] <Xyc0> you should use bittorrent, its faster to steal that way
[01:57] <new_> ok i did it
[01:57] <new_> this is wat it says
[01:57] <new_> Fetched 34.1kB in 2s (16.2kB/s)
[01:57] <new_> Reading package lists... Done
[01:57] <new_> Building dependency tree
[01:57] <new_> Reading extended state information
[01:57] <new_> Initializing package states... Done
[01:57] <new_> new@ubuntu:~$ sudo aptitude install amule
[01:57] <Xyc0> thespiritoftal: i do... or did
[01:57] <new_> Reading package lists... Done
[01:57] <new_> Building dependency tree
[01:57] <new_> Reading extended state information
[01:57] <new_> Initializing package states... Done
[01:57] <new_> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "amule"
[01:58] <Xyc0> new_: please dont paste in channel
[01:58] <new_> No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
[01:58] <topyli> new_: please don't paste everything you see on the channel
[01:58] <new_> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[01:58] <new_> Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used.
[01:58] <Xyc0> new_: stop
[01:58] <pax> press esc
[01:58] <new_> Writing extended state information... Done
[01:58] <new_> Reading package lists... Done
[01:58] <new_> Building dependency tree
[01:58] <new_> Reading extended state information
[01:58] <cafuego> new_: STOP
[01:58] <afaik> new_, STOP
[01:58] <new_> Initializing package states... Done
[01:58] <Belutz> !paste
[01:58] <ubotu> methinks paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[01:58] <new_> sorry
[01:58] <new_> i didnt know
[01:58] <thoreauputic> !lart new_
[01:58] <topyli> aaarrgh
[01:58] <thespiritoftal> Chaos!
[01:58] <cafuego> Bloody hell, read the /topic
[01:58] <new_> ok thore what do i do now
[01:58] <cafuego> new_: Go sit in the corner for half an hour and be silent ;-)
[01:58] <afaik> new_, try cat /dev/urandom/ > /dev/dsp
[01:58] <Xyc0> please paste it in paste bin
[01:58] <Xyc0> i will not read it in channel
[01:59] <thoreauputic> afaik: hahah
[01:59] <afaik> (or was it /dev/mixer)
[01:59] <afaik> ?
[01:59] <cafuego> Seveas: good morning :-)
[01:59] <topyli> new_: you don't have the required package repositories set up
[01:59] <Xyc0> !paste
[01:59] <topyli> !repositories
[01:59] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[01:59] <ubotu> somebody said repositories was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto, or repos
[01:59] <topyli> new_: ^
[02:00] <cafuego> Anyone with amd64 here?
[02:00] <Natja_> cafuego, yes
[02:00] <persia> cafuego: I'll test something...
[02:00] <Xyc0> new_: its ok, we arn't mad at you. You do need to read what we tell you tho.
[02:00] <cafuego> Natja_: Can you cast a 64bit INT_MAX - 1 into a time_t and see what happens?
[02:00] <Natja_> cafuego, err, how do I do that ? :s
[02:01] <cafuego> Hmm
[02:01] <Seveas> cafuego, isn't time_t 32bit on amd64?
[02:01] <Xyc0> yea, youd have to manualy calculate it
[02:01] <cafuego> Seveas: Well, it's segfaulting quite badly if I pass it a 64bit long
[02:01] <cafuego> Seveas: I expect THAT is bad regardless.
[02:01] <Seveas> hmm
[02:02] <Seveas> at which point? the cast?
[02:02] <Xyc0> he he I think we spooked new_
[02:03] <persia> cafuego: I've put together a short program, but I need pointers to the includes - it's been far too long since I wrote C.
[02:03] <cafuego> Xyc0: he got a +q, he can't speak here
[02:03] <Flying-Penguin> HELLO GUYS
[02:03] <Seveas> hi prnguin
[02:03] <Seveas> penguin*
[02:03] <Xyc0> cafuego: did ubotu do that?
[02:03] <persia> Also, does anyone know how to make my '}' key work again?
[02:03] <Flying-Penguin> I installed the nvidia drivers by "apt-get nvidia-glx" and now I don't know how to update -_-
[02:04] <cafuego> persia: #include <stdlib.h> for instance?
[02:04] <Xyc0> Flying-Penguin: what do you mean update?
[02:04] <Flying-Penguin> Xyc0: well it seems, my drivers are out of date...
[02:04] <Xyc0> Flying-Penguin: what makes you think that?
[02:04] <Xyc0> Flying-Penguin: they are, but why does it matter?
[02:04] <Flying-Penguin> Xyc0: well, I ran a command that tells me my version...
[02:05] <persia> cafuego: that takes care of time_t, but INT_MAX is still undefined.
[02:05] <cafuego> Seveas: localtime() dies
[02:05] <Seveas> cafuego, strace it :)
[02:05] <Flying-Penguin> Xyc0: yes it does matter... It might be what is stoping me from playing wow on linux :(
[02:05] <liable> hmm, my cdrom isnt being detected lately, (laptop) no errors, just no ide probe past ide0, controller or cdrom? I know its hard to say but, thoughts.
[02:05] <cafuego> Seveas: Yeah, that doesn't help much <heh>
[02:05] <Seveas> cafuego, gdb it then :)
[02:05] <cafuego> Seveas: I get an munmap() after the atol() call, then it dies.
[02:05] <Xyc0> Flying-Penguin: If you want to update for the sake of having the newest, you need to custom install nvidia-glfx
[02:06] <Flying-Penguin> Xyc0: what do you mean?
[02:06] <Xyc0> Flying-Penguin: no, i have the .deb drivers and WoW works fine
[02:06] <cafuego> persia: limits.h
[02:06] <Flying-Penguin> Xyc0: well... maby you could try to help me get wow to work?
[02:06] <cafuego> persia: HOWEVER, INT_MAX appears to be 32bit on my amd64 box.
[02:06] <Xyc0> how did you install WoW?
[02:07] <Flying-Penguin> uhh... I hit install in p2p
[02:07] <Flying-Penguin> I did it the basick way... I like things easy
[02:07] <Xyc0> how did you run it on linux
[02:07] <HAMM3R> When i try to upload file trhough ftp (vsftpd), if they are 1MB(ish)+ the upload freezes
[02:07] <Flying-Penguin> Xyc0: I use cedega... if that is what you mean
[02:08] <HAMM3R> any idea of why?
[02:08] <Flying-Penguin> Xyc0: however from how you are talking, it seems you use cedega as well... so pleas what do you mean by how did you run it?
[02:08] <Xyc0> Flying-Penguin: what errors are you getting?
[02:08] <Flying-Penguin> Xyc0: well, it isn't realy an error
[02:09] <topyli> how well does qemu run win98?
[02:09] <persia> cafuego: if you have 32-bit INT_MAX, I probably do as well. Just in case, ..
[02:09] <Flying-Penguin> Xyc0: I can get into the game just fine, but when ever I click on something it freezes up for like 2-3sec (this also happens when I shapeshift)
[02:09] <cafuego> Seveas: It gets weirder, it does NOT segfault in gdb.
[02:09] <Flying-Penguin> Xyc0: but if I have already selected someone, then it doesn't lag when i re select that person
[02:10] <Seveas> cafuego, what is the value of INT_MAX?
[02:10] <cafuego> Seveas: 2**32
[02:10] <Xyc0> Flying-Penguin: if you can get the game running, it has nothing to do with the video drivers
[02:10] <cafuego> Seveas: 2**32 -1 actually
[02:10] <Seveas> cafuego, I mena in your limits.h
[02:10] <cafuego> Seveas: Yes
[02:10] <Xyc0> Flying-Penguin: it sounds like a cedgea problem
[02:10] <cafuego> !2**32 -1
[02:10] <ubotu> 4294967295
[02:10] <cafuego> that
[02:10] <Seveas> # define INT_MAX 2147483647
[02:10] <littlefae> Hello again folks. :)
[02:10] <Seveas> that's in my limits.h :)
[02:10] <Seveas> # define UINT_MAX 4294967295U
[02:11] <Flying-Penguin> Xyc0: at first I thought it might be some kind of a memory problem... but I don't know how I would fix that anywho
[02:11] <cafuego> Seveas: AH yes.
[02:11] <Seveas> INT_MAX = 2**31 -1
[02:11] <Seveas> (signed int)
[02:11] <littlefae> Anyone able to help me with disabling something irritating on my touchpad, it's a synaptics model, and has tap-to-click, which I'd like to take out.
[02:11] <DJ_Necrogami> i gotta question
[02:11] <DJ_Necrogami> is there a command to print out what OS and version ?
[02:11] <cafuego> halfbaked 32bit poo
[02:11] <Seveas> DJ_Necrogami, uname -a
[02:11] <cafuego> DJ_Necrogami: 'uname -a'
[02:11] <Seveas> DJ_Necrogami, cat /etc/issue
[02:12] <Seveas> DJ_Necrogami, cat /etc/lsb-release
[02:12] <topyli> cat /proc/version
[02:12] <topyli> :)
[02:12] <Seveas> that's about it :)
[02:12] <cafuego> cat /proc/sys/kernel/name
[02:13] <topyli> hehe
[02:13] <DJ_Necrogami> topyli: thank you
[02:13] <littlefae> Is it difficult
[02:13] <Seveas> cafuego, ENOSUCHFILE
[02:13] <Xyc0> System > About Ubuntu
[02:13] <Xyc0> im lazy
[02:13] <cafuego> Seveas: needs a kernel patch (proc-animal)
[02:13] <pax> cat /etc/debian_version :D
[02:13] <cafuego> "Zen Penguin feeling the effects of Sniper"
[02:13] <Seveas> :)
[02:14] <cafuego> aka 2.0.40
[02:14] <littlefae> How do I disable tap-to-click in Ubuntu? :|
[02:14] <tikka> argh
[02:14] <tikka> im struggling with dependencys
[02:14] <Seveas> tikka, apt should do that for you :)
[02:14] <tikka> Seveas, im compiling e17 from cvs
[02:15] <Xyc0> Garg, the default background is so freaking ugly for Ubuntu
[02:15] <tikka> and stuff i do add using apt
[02:15] <Xyc0> who decided to use that?
[02:15] <cafuego> tikka: masochist, are we?
[02:15] <tikka> cafuego, lol
[02:15] <Seveas> tikka apt-get build-dep enlightenment may help
[02:15] <littlefae> :(
[02:15] <tikka> interesting
[02:15] <tikka> :D
[02:15] <cafuego> apt-get source enlightenment as well; just replace the source in the debsrc with the cvs source.
[02:16] <cafuego> Might even end up with an installable .deb file.
[02:16] <Seveas> :)
[02:16] <tikka> i see
[02:16] <tikka> this is interesting
[02:16] <tikka> hehe
[02:16] <floppyears> hi
[02:16] <cafuego> and as a bonus you don't wreck anything
[02:16] <tikka> hehe
[02:16] <tikka> sounds great to me
[02:16] <topyli> cafuego: you can do that? apt never ceases to amaze me :)
[02:16] <cafuego> Did someone hear that?
[02:16] <floppyears> where does the documentroot for a vhost usually reside in apache? does it reside in the same directory where the main documentroot resides ?
[02:16] <thoreauputic> littlefae: maybe no-one knows ;)
[02:16] <cafuego> topyli: As long as the versions don't differ too much, yeah.
[02:17] <persia> littlefae: in GNOME, System...Preferences...Windows...first checkbox
[02:17] <cafuego> floppyears: it resides wherever you tell apache it resides. /var/www/foo or /tmp/wibble or even /dev/chicken if you want to.
[02:18] <Rockett17> chicken device sounds like the best option ;)
[02:18] <littlefae> No such option. :S
[02:18] <cafuego> floppyears: Mine live in /var/www/domain.com/host/html
[02:19] <floppyears> cafuego: yes, but where should I locate vhost ? I have my main documentoot in /var/www, should the vhost's document roots reside in /var/www/vhost# or in the parent folder of the main document root's ?
[02:19] <slowbro> ok im new to this linux stuff so dont be suprised.... where is the mozilla dir located?
[02:19] <cafuego> floppyears: Like I said, wherever you want. It doesn't matter.
[02:19] <floppyears> cafuego: but then how do you prevent one vhost from accessing another vhost's files ?
[02:19] <cafuego> floppyears: I disable the /var/www one.
[02:19] <persia> floppyears: If you want your vhost to be completely separate, don't put it under /var/www. If you want /var, perhaps /var/vhost?
[02:19] <thoreauputic> slowbro: maybe you should tell us what you want to do instead
[02:19] <floppyears> cafuego: I'm trying to keep the data separate
[02:20] <pax> floppyears: using apache2?
[02:20] <floppyears> persia: I know that, that's why I'm asking what's the common thing to do
[02:20] <floppyears> pax: yes
[02:20] <cafuego> floppyears: So I have _no_ vhost using /var/www/
[02:20] <pax> floppyears: check /etc/apache2/sites-*
[02:20] <tikka> cafuego, suggestion on a google search string to understand this deb source package and how to pack my own?
[02:21] <cafuego> floppyears: 'sudo a2dissite default' and off you go.
[02:21] <slowbro> thoreauputic, i installed shockwave and it told me to delete a file in theere
[02:21] <Rockett17> how does one restrict access to a folder in apache and have it prompt for u/n & p/w?
[02:21] <persia> floppyears: I don't know if it's that common, but I've seen a number of people put all sites under /var/www in separate directories and disable the normal server.
[02:21] <cafuego> Rockett17: install libapache(2)-mod-auth-* and configure it.
[02:21] <floppyears> cafuego: thanks. I forgot about those commands. I was just reading a book on apache :)
[02:21] <cafuego> tikka: I just see what's in there and edit at will.
[02:22] <Rockett17> should already be compiled into my set-up.. installed most modules when I compiled it :D
[02:22] <cafuego> Rockett17: wtf did you compile apache?
[02:22] <thoreauputic> slowbro: in where? it could be a number of places - possibly /usr/lib/mozilla : what sis it actually say?
[02:22] <selinium> hi all, was running an update of packages though synaptic when my machine froze. It now locks up when booting up. I can get in through the terminal. How do i finish/check/repair the install?
[02:22] <DJ_Necrogami> anyone know any good bittorrent downloading programs for ubuntu?
[02:22] <selinium> Hi thoreauputic!
[02:22] <Rockett17> yea.. I alays have
[02:22] <Rockett17> always^
[02:22] <cafuego> so no reason
[02:22] <johnnybezak> hey guys i am trying to get ndis going for my netgear wireless card, the driver is installed and ndiswrapper -l says the hardware is ok, only problem is when im trying to "modprobe ndiswrapper" i get this "operation not permitted" error even though im doing it as root. Anyone know why it is doing this?
[02:22] <thoreauputic> * s/sis/did
[02:22] <catolh> DJ_Necrogami, azureus
[02:23] <thoreauputic> hi selinium :)
[02:23] <Rockett17> haha
[02:23] <cafuego> Rockett17: It *is* under /usr/local, right?
[02:23] <Rockett17> yep
[02:23] <cafuego> thank cthulhu for that
[02:24] <Xyc0> gnite everyone
[02:24] <thoreauputic> slowbro: to see where mozilla installs files try typing dpkg -L mozilla-browser
[02:24] <slowbro> thoreauputic, NOTE: Please ask your administrator to remove the xpti.dat from the components directory of the Mozilla or Netscape browser.
[02:24] <acumomo> join #ubuntu-fr
[02:25] <cafuego> acumomo: I don't want to.
[02:25] <slowbro> oh
[02:25] <slowbro> wait
[02:25] <johnnybe1ak> sorry guys i just dropped out, did anyone answer re my ndiswrapper kernel modprobe problem
[02:26] <selinium> is there a command line for apt-get to smart select install that need upgrading?
[02:27] <persia> selinium: sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude upgrade
[02:27] <shinu> hello
[02:27] <selinium> persia cheers, i'll give it a go!
[02:27] <panther> hi
[02:27] <tim> will breezy come with evince, the pdf and other documents reader as default?
[02:28] <shinu> just wanted to ask how to share my internet connection with ubuntu
[02:28] <persia> tim: in October
[02:29] <thoreauputic> shinu: easy way is to install firestarter and enable NAT (network address translation) in the wizard thing - it's a one-click operation
[02:30] <shinu> thoreauputic: k, will try that one (just read it on forum 8) )
[02:30] <persia> Does anyone understand GNOME/X vs. console keyboard maps? My ] } key shows as \| in X, but works on the console.
[02:30] <thoreauputic> shinu: assuming you mean "share the connection *from* ubuntu "
[02:30] <shinu> thoreauputic: from ubuntu with ubuntu 8)
[02:30] <tim> persia, huh? I asked if breezy (which is due out in october) will use evince, the document reader, by default
[02:30] <thoreauputic> shinu: should be fine then :)
[02:30] <persia> tim: yes, it will.
[02:31] <shinu> :)
[02:31] <tim> lol thanks :)
[02:31] <traveller> i installed a new motherboard and now the graphics in ubuntu is messed up, i don't even have keyboard on it, does anyone have any idea?
[02:31] <shinu> also, anyone has an idea why mplayer doesnt want to play my files? on my other comp with ubuntu it does perfectly...
[02:32] <tim> out of curiousity when one would want to update to breezy...is the only thing they have to do change the "hoary" in their sources.list to "breezy"??
[02:32] <shinu> it stops at: alsa-init: 1 soundcard found, using: default
[02:32] <Rockett17> is there a way to do an upgrade with apt when breezy comes out? (don't wanna loose all my configuration)
[02:32] <selinium> persia Working! hopefully it will ressurect my machine! [fingers crossed] :)
[02:32] <persia> tim: yes, but you don't want to do that yet...
[02:33] <concept10> persia, what?
[02:33] <persia> Rockett17: update /etc/apt/sources.list, and run sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[02:33] <tim> persia lol the "DO NOT USE BREEZY YET - X is still broken" scared me away from that :)
[02:33] <thoreauputic> tim: I think the answer to your original question is "yes" ( re: evince) It seems to be the new default for gnome 2.12
[02:33] <Rockett17> thanks persia
[02:33] <Rockett17> beats downloading and configuring everything again
[02:34] <DJ_Necrogami> catolh: Thanks for the recomendation this is a great software
[02:34] <persia> Rockett17: Some programs appear to be changing, like the recently mentioned evince. You'll probably have at least some config to do anyway.
[02:34] <tim> is there going to be a colony 3 release before the final release?
[02:35] <Rockett17> persia: might actually be better to back-up my configuration files and just re-do her
[02:36] <penticlex> has any one tried getting xpde working on ubuntu
[02:36] <thoreauputic> ewww... xpde
[02:36] <Rockett17> persia: sounds like an excuse to kick back with a 6 pack on a friday evenin' :)
[02:36] <Nomad_1> Does anyone know of a free version of something like partition magic? (A graphical windows partitioning program.)
[02:36] <persia> Rockett17: I did the potato -> woody & warty -> hoary transitions smoothy - dist-upgrade usually works for most things.
[02:36] <penticlex> trying to trick my wife into using linux
[02:36] <concept10> Nomad_1, qtparted
[02:36] <thoreauputic> Nomad_1: qtparted or gparted
[02:37] <Nomad_1> concept10 and thoreauputic: Thanks guys.
[02:37] <concept10> penticlex, its actually not too hard.
[02:37] <thoreauputic> penticlex: heh - there's an XP look-alike theme for iceWM I believe
[02:38] <penticlex> I installed and nothing works correct
[02:38] <d3javu> Seveas, are you there friend?
[02:38] <penticlex> I should have said I installed xpde and nothing works correct
[02:38] <thoreauputic> penticlex: that's part of the windows emulation *grin*
[02:39] <thoreauputic> sorry couldn't resist...
[02:39] <tim> hehe
[02:39] <penticlex> hehe
[02:40] <thoreauputic> to complete the illusion, set the default runlevel to 6 << don't try this at home kids
[02:40] <penticlex> she has to have the pretty pictures and avitars for messenger so I am triing to get an xp clone and then get wine working so thell never know
[02:42] <penticlex> I just installed ubuntu64 5.04 got the bugs
[02:42] <penticlex> out
[02:42] <penticlex> was only a DNS issue
[02:43] <shinu> thoreauputic: what if i have a strange usb modem? 8)
[02:43] <tim> is there a release schedule for breezy I can take a look at (trying to figure out if theres gonna be any more colony releases or anything)
[02:44] <thoreauputic> shinu: I can't really help with usb modems: they are generally a pain in linux though
[02:44] <shinu> i got it running smoothly 8)
[02:44] <shinu> but i dont know how to share that connection...
[02:45] <thoreauputic> shinu: is it using ppp0 ? which interface is you internet interface? ( ifconfig)
[02:45] <thoreauputic> 8your
[02:45] <thoreauputic> bah
[02:46] <persia> tim: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseSchedule
[02:46] <tim> thx
[02:46] <thoreauputic> shinu: I would expect firestarter to recognise your internet interface anyway.. it's ppp0 here
[02:48] <shinu> thoreauputic: hm.. seems to be ppp0 but i still cant connect with the other comp
[02:48] <chiisai> Err... For some reason, synaptic refuses to start. It doesn't even give me a error message, the window never shows up. So... where do I start? How can I fix this? (No, I don't want to reboot. That's just so Windows-like. Rebooting a Linux system is just... stupid.)
[02:48] <Magdeburger> lol
[02:48] <wdh> chiisai, :P
[02:48] <chiisai> ._.
[02:48] <wdh> chiisai, killall firestarter ?
[02:48] <wdh> chiisai, it might have some process hiding somewhere
[02:49] <chiisai> chiisai@lust:~$ ps aux | grep firestarter
[02:49] <chiisai> chiisai 27201 0.0 0.1 3016 756 pts/4 R+ 14:49 0:00 grep firestarter
[02:49] <persia> chiisai: Try starting it in a terminal: this ought to at least give a message.
[02:49] <thoreauputic> shinu: you might need to restart the network - sudo invoke-rc.d networking restart
[02:49] <chiisai> chiisai@lust:~$ sudo synaptic
[02:49] <chiisai> chiisai@lust:~$ sudo synaptic
[02:49] <chiisai> Nope. :(
[02:49] <chiisai> Err.
[02:49] <chiisai> Wait.
[02:49] <Davey> you know, persia, that table is backwards, the colors should run the other way and indicate stability :)
[02:50] <chiisai> lol
[02:50] <chiisai> It was already running in another workspace T_T
[02:50] <tim> no more colony releases :(
[02:50] <thoreauputic> chiisai: sorry that was meant for shinu
[02:50] <thoreauputic> ah
[02:50] <persia> Davey: It's not my table, but it's helpful anyway.
[02:51] <tim> where can you get those? i've been looking for some brain pills
[02:51] <thoreauputic> tim: patent pending - special price for you today !
[02:51] <thoreauputic> :)
[02:52] <Chameleon22> i use Logitech Elite keyboard with all them funky buttons for controlling audio, and chat, and blah blah blah ... are there any apps I could use to map those keys to the system like hotkeys or something ....?
[02:53] <persia> Chameleon22: System...Preferences...Keyboard SHortcuts allows some mapping.
[02:54] <persia> Chameleon22: Does your keyboard have a ] } key?
[02:55] <Chameleon22> persia, what key?
[02:55] <tim> thoreauputic, hrmmm black market brain pills on sale......i'm interested :)
[02:56] <thoreauputic> tim: I generally take them in liquid form though - or use a caffeine drip ;)
[02:56] <persia> I have a logitech keyboard with a key with the } character printed above the ] character. It has all the extra buttons, so I thought it might be similar to yours. In any case, this key shows \| in X, so I have to cut and paste.
[02:57] <Chameleon22> persia, k will try
[02:57] <ZincX> can i give a dns for my comp ?
[02:58] <persia> ZincX: Yes.
[02:58] <selinium> persia: Cheers, PC now working again!
[02:58] <persia> selinium: Excellent!
[02:58] <ZincX> persia, how ?
[02:59] <shinu> thoreauputic: seems that when i restart my eth0, my inet connection dies 8)
[02:59] <persia> ZincX: aptitude search dns; aptitude show <interesting package>; sudo aptitude install <interesting package>
[02:59] <selinium> persia: you managed to svae the computer from the 'through the window treatment'! You saved it's life! :D
[03:01] <thoreauputic> shinu: I would have thought eth0 was the interface for your local network, and ppp0 for the internet connection?
[03:01] <shinu> thoreauputic: yes, im suprised too 8)
[03:02] <ZincX> persia, how do i know which one /
[03:02] <shinu> thoreauputic: though, my system>administration>networking shows that ppp0 is off
[03:02] <thoreauputic> shinu: you installed firestarter on the gateway box, right? does the shared machine point its gateway at that box?
[03:03] <shinu> thoreauputic: i installed in on the gateway box (192.168.0.1) and the other machine worked fine with winxp as the gateway so i guess it does point to that ip
[03:03] <shinu> (which was the same under windows)
[03:03] <thoreauputic> shinu: hmm
[03:03] <loorni> My friend is trying to install Ubuntu and he gets this error: "unlinked after no-irq?" "changin apic and acpi might help"
[03:03] <shinu> thoreauputic: how can i check if it does or not?
[03:04] <cs378> any reason why i cant connect to the internet, while the ethernet is active
[03:04] <thoreauputic> shinu: run route on the shared machine
[03:04] <cs378> i could go into my router ip
[03:04] <cs378> but no internet
[03:04] <shinu> erm...
[03:04] <persia> Chameleon22: You might also try lineakd, but it's in universe
[03:04] <shinu> destination 192.168.0.0; gateway *
[03:04] <cs378> tried wireless, same thing happen
[03:04] <shinu> thoreauputic: is that right?
[03:04] <Subliminal> what kind of repository will libstdc++-libc be in?
[03:05] <thoreauputic> shinu: the gateway should be 192.168.0.1 right?
[03:05] <shinu> thoreauputic: i think so, how do i set it?
[03:06] <thoreauputic> shinu: been a while since I did mine - the graphical tool has a gateway setting IIRC
[03:06] <shinu> how do i call the graphical too from xfce? ^^'
[03:06] <anacron> hey, what's the problem, when i restart my x with ctrl+alt+backspace, it wont actually restart, it only closes, then i have to open it with startx, and it automaticly logs in my account!, and after that my nvidia drivers won't work anymore in games (opengl problem or something)
[03:07] <thoreauputic> shinu: gnome-network-preferences ? Assuming you have gnome...
[03:07] <shinu> thoreauputic: network-admin?
[03:07] <ZincX> persia, i just installed pdnsd
[03:07] <chaps0063> I have my wireless configured for PEAP, how do I pass my credentials to access the network?
[03:07] <ZincX> what now ?
[03:07] <thoreauputic> ah - could be that - I'm in fluxbox :)
[03:07] <persia> anacron: after restarting X, make sure the game that hung the machine is no longer running any processes...
[03:07] <thoreauputic> shinu: ^^
[03:08] <anacron> persia: the game that hung?, it happens anytime i reboot x
[03:08] <shinu> thoreauputic: this thing you told me about is some proxy configuration :D
[03:08] <anacron> not any, everytime i mean
[03:08] <persia> ZincX: I'm not familiar with pdnsd. Your best sources of information are probably man pdnsd and looking in /usr/share/doc/pdnsd
[03:08] <shinu> thoreauputic: the network-admin shows me that my default gateway is 192.168.0.1
[03:08] <thoreauputic> shanon: yeah - I just looked - sorry
[03:08] <persia> anacron: This is with 7174?
[03:08] <thoreauputic> shinu: curiouser and curiouser
[03:09] <anacron> persia: what is 7174?
[03:09] <shinu> thoreauputic: ok, i gotta go to the swimming pool 8) bbl
[03:09] <persia> anacron: The nvidia driver version.
[03:09] <Subliminal> where can i get libstdc++-libc for ubuntu?
[03:10] <anacron> persia: oh yes, 1.0-7174
[03:10] <blahblah> someone help, i cant connect ot the internet, but seems that the ethernet did get the router ip n could connect to the routers setup page just no internet
[03:10] <shinu> thoreauputic: bye
[03:10] <shinu> :D
[03:10] <ZincX> persia, which one do u use ?
[03:10] <Nomad_1> Here's something I've never found an answer for: How do you uninstall grub?
[03:10] <anacron> blahblah: reboot your router
[03:11] <persia> ZincX: I used to run bind, but these days I just collect from DHCP.
[03:11] <ZincX> hmm
[03:11] <ZincX> im totally clueless abt this..
[03:11] <thoreauputic> Subliminal: apt-cache search libstdc++ has a fair bit of output
[03:11] <JaZy84> can i use an externel cd rom to boot, i've got an ibook.
[03:11] <JaZy84> i have 5.04 installed but no sound.. i was going to try to reinstall 5.04 but now cd drive doesn't like the cd.
[03:11] <persia> anacron: Are there any interesting errors in the log file?
[03:11] <JaZy84> :(
[03:12] <Subliminal> thoreauputic: it seems the -libc bit on the end is important :-/ i've installed libstdc++
[03:12] <anacron> persia: can you tell me which log
[03:12] <anacron> something like xorg.log?
[03:12] <thoreauputic> Subliminal: are you compiling something? If so, what?
[03:12] <aru> if enlightenment is installed, will it screw anything up in gnome like kde does?
[03:12] <Subliminal> thoreauputic: yes, the j2ee
[03:12] <thoreauputic> ah
[03:13] <Belutz> how do i enable DMA for /dev/cdrom ?
[03:13] <persia> ZincX: If you need to manage your own DNS server, you're best off looking at a few tools, and choosing one with an interface you like. If you don't need to manage one, read the docs, and play with what you like. If you just want DNS resolution, you don't need any of those packages.
[03:13] <thoreauputic> Subliminal: that's out of my league I'm afraid
[03:13] <Subliminal> ok, thanks
[03:13] <Subliminal> do you know anyone i could ask?
[03:13] <blahblah> how do i enable internet
[03:13] <blahblah> sheesh
[03:13] <[Spooky] > hello, i need help in forceing the eject of my dvd rom anyone ?
[03:13] <persia> anacron: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:14] <Subliminal> blahblah: elaborate
[03:14] <Belutz> [Spooky] : sudo eject /dev/cdrom
[03:14] <the--dud> [Spooky] , use something pointy to poke in that little hole on your cdrom
[03:14] <sociopath> blahblah: do you have the correct gateway set?
[03:14] <thoreauputic> Subliminal: it's java right? MAybe #java if there is one on Freenode
[03:14] <Subliminal> thoreauputic: cheers
[03:14] <thoreauputic> Subliminal: I checked - there's about 113 people there
[03:15] <persia> Belutz: aptitude install hdparm; man hdparm. Be very very careful.
[03:15] <chaps0063> how do I configure my wireless to pass credentials to authenticate against a wireless network that has PEAP enabled?
[03:15] <[Spooky] > Belutz: sudo didnt work
[03:15] <anacron> persia: something at files already registered at priority 0
[03:15] <[Spooky] > its not the first time...
[03:15] <Belutz> [Spooky] : then do what the--dud told you
[03:15] <persia> anacron: This is a line beginning with EE?
[03:15] <the--dud> also, try lsof /dev/cdrom as well [Spooky]
[03:16] <Belutz> [Spooky] : is your dvd rom mounted at /dev/cdrom ?
[03:16] <the--dud> something might be hogging your cdrom
[03:16] <anacron> persia: it's in the end of file
[03:16] <anacron> persia: and the last error is "could not init font paht element unix/:7100 removing from list"
[03:16] <persia> anacron: Take a look for lines starting EE from the beginning of the file. Sometimes the error happes early, and it takes a while to crash.
[03:16] <Belutz> persia: isn't hdparm only for hdd ?
[03:17] <persia> anacron: Did you recently try upgrading to breezy?
[03:17] <anacron> persia: no
[03:17] <persia> Belutz: I thought it was for all IDE devices. If you have a USB or SCSI CDROM, it probably won't work. The manual knows better than I do.
[03:17] <[Spooky] > had to shut down gam_server
[03:17] <Belutz> persia: ok
[03:17] <[Spooky] > whats that ?
[03:18] <persia> anacron: Do you have xfonts-??dpi installed?
[03:18] <thoreauputic> Belutz: hdparm can set DMA on CD-ROM and DVD drives as well as hard disks
[03:18] <thoreauputic> Belutz: persia is right that scsi is a different story
[03:19] <aroman> hello
[03:19] <anacron> persia: yes, 100dpi, 75dpi
[03:19] <Belutz> thoreauputic: ok thx :) it's an IDE DVD rom actually... reading the man page now
[03:19] <londonboi2k3> Hi guys, just made a fresh install of ubuntu, but i am having probs installing bzflag, im getting a dep problem with libcurl3 I have it install with the dev packages, but i think i am missing something and cant remember what it is! Any ideas plseas?
[03:19] <persia> !paste
[03:19] <ubotu> hmm... paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[03:19] <persia> anacron: if you put your log on that website, I'll review it.
[03:20] <aroman> I have compiled a kernel module using module-assistant. When I update the kernel through apt-get, will I have to re-compile that kernel module manually?
[03:20] <anacron> persia: ok, thanks
[03:20] <persia> aroman: Whenever the kernel ABI changes (a new directory will appear in /lib/modules)
[03:20] <thoreauputic> londonboi2k3: bzflag is in the repos - apt-cache search bzflag (or you need to add repositories)
[03:21] <anacron> persia: there it is
[03:21] <londonboi2k3> yeah, i know but its at version 1.10 in the repos, bzflag is at 2.0.2 now :)
[03:21] <aroman> persia, ok. Is there any way to make apt-get upgrade invoke module-assistant to re-compile my module whenever a kernel update takes place?
[03:21] <ZincX> persia, is there a document i can read ?
[03:21] <persia> aroman: Not one I know. Sorry.
[03:22] <londonboi2k3> so i use the debian packeges, but there is a dep problem, i know its easy enough to fix cus someone helped me here before, but i have forgot the other dep i need to install to sort it out
[03:22] <aroman> persia. no problem
[03:22] <persia> ZincX: Try searching google for DNS server or name server. For specific servers, /usr/share/doc/foo or the canonical (small-c) websites are the best bet.
[03:23] <ZincX> hmm.. k.. lemme see
[03:23] <persia> anacron: it crashes my browser. It'll take me a minute...
[03:24] <londonboi2k3> any other suggestions guys :)
[03:24] <anacron> persia: no hurry
[03:24] <londonboi2k3> ahh its ok, fixed bzflag prob now,
[03:24] <persia> anacron: It won't load in w3m either. Grrr...
[03:25] <anacron> persia: haha use links2 :)
[03:27] <anacron> i just thought yesterday that, "hmm it's nice to use linux for surfing since you can watch all pornosites and search all cracks you need, or what ever suspicious you do, and you don't have to worry a bit of viruses"
[03:27] <InitMass> if i want to use xfce, should i install the package called xfce or xfce4?
[03:27] <Belutz> persia: the hdparm command will then save to /etc/hdparm.conf ?
[03:27] <anacron> InitMass: xfce4
[03:27] <thoreauputic> InitMass: xfce4 definitely
[03:27] <digao> hey, i have one machine with debian and i want to overide it with ubuntu. is there a way to do this only using the internet?
[03:28] <InitMass> anacron, thoreauputic thanx
[03:28] <persia> Belutz: My apologies, but I don't remember. /usr/share/doc/hdparm or man hdparm should explain.
[03:28] <Belutz> persia: ok will read again :)
[03:28] <thoreauputic> Belutz: you need to edit hdparm.conf
[03:28] <anacron> so bash is for running scripts huh?
[03:28] <Belutz> thoreauputic: edit it? not just using hdparm command?
[03:28] <thoreauputic> Belutz: the comments in that file are helpfu;
[03:29] <thoreauputic> *helpful
[03:29] <chaps0063> has anyone gotten PEAP to work?
[03:29] <Belutz> thoreauputic: yup... but i'm afraid to make mistakes for this case
[03:29] <thoreauputic> Belutz: /etc/hdparm.conf ensures the settinfs are not lost on reboot
[03:29] <thoreauputic> *settings
[03:29] <Belutz> thoreauputic: ic... so using hdparm only set the DMA temporarily ?
[03:30] <thoreauputic> Belutz: have a look - at worst it won't work ;)
[03:30] <mcscruff> how do i install a multimedia framework?
[03:30] <persia> Belutz: before editing you may want to copy the file to /etc/hdparm.orig
[03:30] <thoreauputic> Belutz: yes, the command lasts until reboot
[03:30] <Belutz> persia: hmm that's a very bright idea :D
[03:31] <mjr> mcscruff, you should have one installed; if you want to know something more spesific, make it clear
[03:31] <mcscruff> im trying to compile amarok beta and its saying i need one
[03:31] <mjr> (Ubuntu installs the gstreamer framework by default)
[03:31] <mcscruff> maybe i removed it when playing
[03:32] <mjr> well, I shan't comment on amarok, but most probably you're missing the needed development libraries (dunno which, that's up to amarok)
[03:32] <jino> hi all
[03:32] <persia> anacron: Is X hung when the log file is in the posted state? Everything looks fine. Are there EE lines in /var/log/Xorg,1,log?
[03:32] <jino> i have a question
[03:33] <jino> how do i set my laptop to restrt in ubuntu
[03:33] <jino> it doesnt do so by default
[03:36] <Belutz> persia, thoreauputic: thx for your help :) nero for linux is great :D
[03:36] <anacron> persia: seems like now when i reset x, nvidia works fine, but it still don't ask me any passwords, just logs in, and i have to manually type startx to get it work
[03:36] <persia> anacron: Do you have xdm, kdm, or gdm installed?
[03:37] <aroman> O_o what happened??
[03:37] <ZincX> what the ?
[03:37] <anacron> netsplit
[03:37] <ZincX> thats a netsplit ?
[03:37] <Davey> netsplat :)
[03:37] <Davey> past tense ;)
[03:38] <aroman> ok what are netsplits exactly?
[03:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:38] <anacron> servers disconnect from others
[03:38] <aroman> hmm I wonder..
[03:38] <persia> anacron: startx is not supposed to ask for a password, and ctrl-alt-backspace will kill startx, returning you to your terminal. You are either experiencing normal behavior, or your desktop manager is seriously misconfigured.
[03:38] <samu> aroman, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
[03:39] <anacron> persia: i have gdm
[03:39] <aroman> we keep a local copy of apt-get ubuntu mirror...
[03:39] <newubuntu> can anyone help me
[03:39] <persia> anacron: when you boot, does gdm bring up a login screen?
[03:39] <mjr> newubuntu, that's what the channel is for
[03:39] <aroman> would it be hard to add another package to the repository?
[03:39] <anacron> persia: yes, that works fine
[03:39] <mjr> newubuntu, but that particular question is hard to answer
[03:39] <newubuntu> ok jr i need help installing limewire
[03:39] <persia> anacron: When you log out fro the menu, does it ask for a password again?
[03:39] <anacron> persia: now nvidia works fine too, so i don't have the "problem" anymore
[03:39] <newubuntu> i did everything it said
[03:39] <newubuntu> but the program wont start
[03:40] <persia> anacron: Great! Never mind then.
[03:40] <thoreauputic> newubuntu: do you have java installed?
[03:40] <newubuntu> i think i do
[03:40] <anacron> persia: amm
[03:40] <selinium> i have an oldish image of Hoary 5.04 on disc. If i were to download it again will the image contain the latest updates? So as not to have to update as soon as installed?
[03:40] <jino> Seveas , how can i install realplayer
[03:40] <anacron> persia: not quite, when i log out, it won't ask my password either
[03:40] <anacron> persia: if i boot, then it will
[03:40] <ColonelKernel> selinium, no
[03:41] <newubuntu> how do i know if i have java installed
[03:41] <aroman> is there a guide on how to create .deb packages?
[03:41] <thoreauputic> !java
[03:41] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[03:41] <anacron> !ftp
[03:41] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, anacron
[03:41] <anacron> :<
[03:41] <selinium> ColonelKernel: cheers, Saves me about half an hour trying it out! :)
[03:41] <ColonelKernel> np
[03:41] <ColonelKernel> it works ok w/o updates too , at least here
[03:41] <persia> anacron: take a look in System...Administration...Login Screen Setup. Are any of the autologin settings set?
[03:41] <newubuntu> how would i know if i have java installed theore
[03:42] <Belutz> anyone knows a goo guide how to create scripts for nautilus ?
[03:42] <Belutz> *good
[03:42] <anacron> persia: nope
[03:42] <traveller> for some reason the graphics and keyboard are not working with my new motherboard, does anyone know why?
[03:42] <aru> liar
[03:43] <aru> if the keyboard wasn't working you wouldn't be typing
[03:43] <thoreauputic> newubuntu: you would know if you had installed it - read the link ubotu spat out above
[03:43] <anacron> ...
[03:43] <newubuntu> what
[03:43] <thoreauputic> newubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[03:43] <traveller> aru: i'm on another computer
[03:43] <newubuntu> ok
[03:43] <aru> traveller: I figured as much, but it doesn't stop me from being an ass :)
[03:44] <anacron> traveller: is your keyboard usb?
[03:44] <thoreauputic> newubuntu: make sure you click the link it tells you to click ;)
[03:44] <traveller> anacron: it's ps/2
[03:44] <anacron> traveller: well anyways have you updated your bios?
[03:44] <thoreauputic> newubuntu: i.e. you need the hoary-extras
[03:44] <Kemito> Hi Everyone.
[03:45] <anacron> hi Kemito
[03:45] <topyli> Belutz: study the nautilus scripts you can find on http://gnome-hacks.jodrell.net
[03:45] <traveller> anacron: nope, do i really need to update the bios? it's an asus a8v board
[03:45] <newubuntu> how do i get that
[03:45] <Kemito> I managed to fix a problem I had with screen resolutions yesterday, after going back to the HowTo page on the wiki again.
[03:45] <anacron> traveller: hah i have same board, and you really do!
[03:46] <Kemito> So thanks for that tip, Seveas. Hi Anacron.
[03:46] <thoreauputic> newubuntu: click the link on the java page to see how to add hoary-extras
[03:46] <Kemito> However, I couldn't get my refresh rate to change from 60hz.
[03:46] <Kemito> even after doing everything in the HowTo page.
[03:46] <persia> anacron: Ummm... I don't think I know anything more useful on that issue. Apologies. It sounds like something is caching the credentials somewhere, or autologin is configured somewhere.
[03:46] <traveller> anacron: that sucks :( i was wondering why it doesn't work anymore. i'll try to update the bios, thank you
[03:46] <thoreauputic> newubuntu: where it says "Add the hoary-extras repository as described in this guide."
[03:47] <Belutz> topyli: thx for the link :)
[03:47] <anacron> traveller: for god sake, i couldn't use my usb-cd at first, with bios update it worked, after then my mouse started to disconnect randomly, and when i updated yesterday again (no beta version this time) now it works too
[03:47] <anacron> or maybe it was beta version too...
[03:47] <anacron> well everything seems to work now :)
[03:48] <traveller> anacron: oddly everything works fine with my other distro, but ubuntu was the only one that could get me online
[03:48] <anacron> execpt that x rebooting...
[03:51] <Kemito> speaking of rebooting - how do you get back into it after hitting control-alt-backspace?
[03:52] <Kemito> it drops me to a command line and from there I'm not able to go anywhere yet
[03:52] <Bubbling_Zombie> sudo gdm
[03:53] <Kemito> ooooooh
[03:53] <persia> anacron: One last thought: take a look at `diff /etc/gdm/gdm.conf /etc/gdm/factory-gdm.conf` and see if anything leaps out.
[03:53] <Kemito> =) Hey thanks.
[03:54] <anacron> :<
[03:54] <anacron> and now when i got stuff he runs away
[03:54] <hosler> Hey is there a good linux program for ripping songs off of an ipod?
[03:54] <aroman> hosler cp ;)
[03:54] <il_padrino> hi
[03:54] <il_padrino> i need a repository for BitchX-1.1-final
[03:54] <il_padrino> :P
[03:54] <philips> hosler: hosler apt-cache search ipod
[03:55] <hosler> aroman: but the ipod has all the music in weird folders. I need a program that with like organize it for me too.
[03:55] <hosler> philips: ok
[03:55] <hosler> philips: Should i get gnupod or gtkpod?
[03:56] <philips> hosler: gtkpod is a gui - gnupod are command line perl tools
[03:57] <the--dud> your best shot is downloading it from http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/bitchx il_padrino
[03:58] <the--dud> and of course installing that .deb file with dpkg -i <file>.deb
[04:00] <Determinist> anyone here that managed to install xmame and make it work properly?
[04:01] <il_padrino> the--dud, xD
[04:01] <il_padrino> thz
[04:01] <the--dud> no problem...
[04:01] <ghost^|patrick> hi
[04:01] <ghost^|patrick> i have serious problems starting ubuntu after if crashed yesterday
[04:02] <ghost^|patrick> it
[04:02] <Nic> at least is not as bad as my brothers and stepbrothers computers
[04:02] <Nic> they both BSOD
[04:02] <Nic> how stupid is that
[04:02] <thoreauputic> ghost^|patrick: are you using hoary? Hoary has been rock-solid here...
[04:03] <ghost^|patrick> ubuntu 5.04 hoary
[04:03] <ghost^|patrick> somehting with tty1
[04:03] <ghost^|patrick> and then it asks for agamenon user and pass
[04:03] <ghost^|patrick> but my password doesnt work
[04:03] <ghost^|patrick> and i cant boot to gui
[04:03] <ghost^|patrick> :(
[04:03] <ghost^|patrick> yesterday i installed the ati driver from synaptic
[04:03] <ghost^|patrick> and played with it about 3h
[04:04] <ghost^|patrick> then i tried to watch the ogl screensaver of kde
[04:04] <ghost^|patrick> at that mometn system frooze
[04:04] <ghost^|patrick> i couldnt even reboot x after that
[04:04] <ghost^|patrick> now i am in windows and dont know what i should do
[04:05] <ghost^|patrick> or what i should google
[04:05] <ghost^|patrick> :/
[04:05] <thoreauputic> ghost^|patrick: have you tried uninstalling the driver?
[04:05] <ghost^|patrick> how?
[04:05] <ghost^|patrick> i cant access the system
[04:05] <ghost^|patrick> system starts booting up
[04:05] <ghost^|patrick> then it suddenly asks a pass for tty1
[04:05] <Sonderblade> does ubuntu have deb's for libjpeg optimized for P4 cpus?
[04:05] <selinium> is there a way of getting thunderbird to read the /user/mbox file?
[04:05] <InitMass> which is the easiest way to copy some files from one computer to another over a network?
[04:06] <thoreauputic> ghost^|patrick: and your password doesn't work?
[04:06] <Belutz> how to search packages with apt-get ?
[04:06] <ghost^|patrick> but either my pass or my user id isnt accepted anymore
[04:06] <thoreauputic> weird
[04:06] <ghost^|patrick> ya, weired :(
[04:06] <selinium> Belutz: Cntl F
[04:06] <thoreauputic> ghost^|patrick: try to boot in recovery mode, then set a new password
[04:06] <selinium> Belutz: Ctrl F
[04:06] <hosler> Are there any good linux music orginizer programs out there?
[04:07] <Belutz> selinium: i mean the command line for searching packages using apt-get command
[04:07] <spiral> can anyone recommend a good easy mailserver to install on ubuntu?
[04:07] <spiral> easy to install and configure?
[04:07] <thoreauputic> spiral: you already have postfix
[04:07] <ghost^|patrick> thoreauputic: how do i do that?
[04:07] <ghost^|patrick> can u give my some words i can google for
[04:07] <ghost^|patrick> necessary commands etc.?
[04:07] <selinium> Belutz: apt-cache search <filename>
[04:08] <thoreauputic> ghost^|patrick: there should be a recovery option in the grub bootscreen when you boot
[04:08] <spiral> thoreauputic, ok, is that easy to use and configure?
[04:08] <Belutz> selinium: thx :)
[04:08] <ghost^|patrick> ya.. ist there a gui or console in recoverymode?
[04:08] <selinium> Belutz: np
[04:09] <thoreauputic> spiral: no idea really - it is supposed to be easier than sendmail :) I don't run a mailserver except locally
[04:10] <thoreauputic> spiral: I guess "man postfix" is your first port of call ;)
[04:10] <thoreauputic> spiral: "apropos postfix " outputs quite a lot too
[04:11] <hosler> amorok is spelled how i just spelled it right?
[04:11] <spiral> No manual entry for postfix
[04:11] <lamont> spiral: www.postfix.org
[04:11] <thoreauputic> spiral: erm - yes there is - I'm looking at it
[04:11] <thoreauputic> spiral: try " apropos postfix"
[04:13] <thoreauputic> hosler: amarok
[04:14] <thoreauputic> ghost^|patrick: recovery mode gives you a root shell, IIRC
[04:14] <Raskall-edge> hmm.. irc is the only application I need !UTF-8 in. Is there a way of starting gnome-terminal with iso-8859-1 as charset?
[04:15] <mjr> Raskall-edge, I think if you save a session with !utf-8 terminal, it'll remember that
[04:16] <Raskall-edge> mjr: nope.. I need to do something like "LANG=something.iso8859-1 gnome-terminal" from the launcher. but I cant figure out what something.iso8859-1 should be.
[04:18] <CzarAlex> Im not sure if this is an issue with apache or ubuntu. My apache server runs just fine. webpages i host load fast. however, when other people try to download large files from my site, their speeds are capped around 45-46k. Is this a setting with apache or ubuntu. I can download the large files from another terminal on my network with incredible speed.
[04:19] <ChrischiO> Hi
[04:19] <TheSin> X is still broken?? Works fo rme
[04:19] <Raskall-edge> CzarAlex: what is your wan-link? sounds like you have an upload-rate lower than download rate (adsl, that is). of course you get fast speeds. you are on the same lan as your webserver.
[04:20] <topyli> Raskall: check your current LANG and use that as a base for the terminal locale
[04:20] <CzarAlex> What do yo mean by wan-link? Its a cable connection and the web server is hardwired to the network
[04:21] <ChrischiO> is ubuntu able to read/write ntfs?
[04:21] <topyli> no
[04:21] <thoreauputic> ChrischiO: read-only
[04:21] <Raskall-edge> topyli: my current lang is UTF-8. what I do now is start a gnome-terminal and select Western (iso-8859-1) from the Terminal->Set character encoding menu
[04:21] <ChrischiO> hm
[04:21] <thoreauputic> ChrischiO: as for all other linux distros
[04:21] <Chameleon22> are there any utilities to show me keycode for my keyboard when i press them ?
[04:22] <CzarAlex> Raskall-edge, I wasnt sure if it made a difference, but I would access the website through its hostname instead of ip addy. I thought that may cause the server to treat me like a normal user not on the network.
[04:22] <thoreauputic> except if they have captive ntfs, which is still experimental
[04:22] <ploum> Hello
[04:22] <oggah> is there any BSD Live-CD distro? (small, lightweight=
[04:22] <ploum> how can I add the debian menu in "applications". I've apt-getted menu, menu-xdg but nothing, even after a reboot
[04:22] <topyli> Raskall-edge: ah. well, just do dpkg-reconfigure locales and generate a locale you like
[04:22] <Raskall-edge> CzarAlex: nope.. you access your external interface from the inside. so you are still on the lan.
[04:23] <Raskall-edge> topyli: :) I figured that out 3 seconds before you told me.
[04:23] <topyli> heh
[04:23] <CzarAlex> Raskall-edge, ah ok. Are ya saying it could be comcast and not me?
[04:23] <littleworm> totem plays only the sound in video files, solutions?
[04:23] <thoreauputic> ploum: run update-menus
[04:24] <Raskall-edge> CzarAlex: it sounds like your wan-link (internet connection) is that slow, yes. isp's often set the upload stream to a lower rate than you pay for.
[04:24] <ploum> thoreauputic: already done, also
[04:24] <topyli> ploum: there is (at least used to be) a bug that gives you duplicates in the debian menu if you run update-menus both as root and as user
[04:24] <topyli> ploum: so choose one or the other :)
[04:24] <Raskall-edge> CzarAlex: remember that when anyone surfs on your webserver, you are uploading to them. so if you have adsl you will have a lot lower speed for your visitors than when you surf on the web (read download)
[04:25] <mastertet> Hello
[04:25] <dArtagnan> you need sdsl for a good server :)
[04:25] <zAo^> lo all
[04:25] <anacron> im trying to open demofile which won in assembly05 4k combo, but when i try to start it with ./makeit4k screen goes black for a sec and then it gives error: fatal signal: segmentation fault (SLD Parachute Deployed)
[04:25] <CzarAlex> Raskall-edge I have cable from comcast. does that change anything?
[04:25] <hosler> amorok is spelled how i just spelled it right?
[04:25] <mastertet> Can someone tell me what will be the new features of breezy, except Gnome 2.12
[04:25] <anacron> anacron: can someone help me with running it?
[04:26] <thoreauputic> hosler: no - amarok
[04:26] <hosler> ok
[04:26] <Raskall-edge> CzarAlex: I don't know what line you have. check your invoice from your isp to check your speed.
[04:26] <zAo^> mastertet, GCC4, X11R7
[04:26] <littleworm> totem plays only the sound in video files, solutions?
[04:26] <CzarAlex> Raskall-edge Thanks for your time. :)
[04:26] <zAo^> littleworm, w32codecs
[04:27] <il_padrino> hi
[04:27] <il_padrino> il_padrino bitchx depende de libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21); sin embargo:
[04:27] <il_padrino> il_padrino Versin de libc6 en el sistema es 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13.
[04:27] <il_padrino> il_padrino bitchx depende de libncurses5 (>= 5.4-5); sin embargo:
[04:27] <il_padrino> il_padrino Versin de libncurses5 en el sistema es 5.
[04:27] <Raskall-edge> topyli: it worked. :) I just hadn't generated the right locale
[04:27] <il_padrino> i need this lib :P
[04:27] <zAo^> il_padrino, dont install that debian deb
[04:27] <mastertet> zAo^, thanks, but is there something new apart of software updates, some new config tool or else?
[04:27] <Seveas> il_padrino, do not paste in here...
[04:27] <littleworm> zAo^, synaptic can't find it
[04:27] <anacron> hey anyone? segmentation fault SDL parachute deployed? what does that mean
[04:27] <il_padrino> zAo^, why??
[04:28] <thoreauputic> il_padrino: trying to install a new libc6 will result in much pain
[04:28] <mjr> anacron, your program crashed :)
[04:28] <Seveas> il_padrino, and install anly from ubuntu repositories. NOT from debian repositories
[04:28] <zAo^> mastertet, there will be some new tools, new programms and everything will be updated
[04:28] <littleworm> zAo^, synaptic can't find it
[04:28] <zAo^> il_padrino, it's Debian's. Use Ubuntu's
[04:28] <il_padrino> Seveas, but bitchx1.1-final isn't for ubuntu
[04:28] <anacron> mjr: do you have something that i dont know yet? :D
[04:28] <topyli> Raskall-edge: happy non-annoying non-utf8 ircing :)
[04:28] <zAo^> littleworm, dont hammer man.
[04:28] <tombs> hi ppl
[04:28] <mastertet> zAo^, is there a spot where I can read about breezy progresses
[04:28] <zAo^> littleworm, install every gstreamer-thingy
[04:29] <Seveas> il_padrino, then use an older version or apt-get source it from breezy...
[04:29] <zAo^> mastertet, let me see :)
[04:29] <ploum> topyli: it works now, thx :-)
[04:29] <Seveas> mastertet, udu.wiki.ubuntu.com
[04:29] <il_padrino> breezy hummm.....
[04:29] <Raskall-edge> topyli: thanx. :)
[04:29] <zAo^> @ breezy here
[04:29] <zAo^> mastertet, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals
[04:30] <mastertet> thank you very much zAo^
[04:30] <Raskall-edge> zAo^: and x works?
[04:30] <topyli> Raskall-edge: truth be told i'd be happier if irc went utf8 too. but some networks are quite conservative
[04:30] <zAo^> Raskall, yes, mine does. But I have some pkgs from last week :)
[04:31] <Seveas> topyli, i don't blame them
[04:31] <Seveas> going utf8 can explode the traffic :)
[04:31] <zAo^> even the week before
[04:31] <topyli> i do =)
[04:31] <topyli> Seveas: yes well, i guess so
[04:31] <Raskall-edge> topyli: yup. Actually I don't care what charset is used, as long as it works and looks good everywhere. but i guess that is the intention of utf-8.
[04:32] <r0bby> weee about to have my first drive fail on me
[04:32] <r0bby> <3 smartmontools
[04:32] <r0bby> says in less than 24 hours it will be dead
[04:32] <Seveas> lol
[04:32] <r0bby> SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: FAILED!
[04:32] <r0bby> Drive failure expected in less than 24 hours. SAVE ALL DATA.
[04:32] <r0bby> :(
[04:32] <topyli> Raskall: i do use utf8 on freenode and gimpnet but on ircnet it's still a no-no
[04:32] <littleworm> zAo^, i installed every gstreamer-thing and it still doesn't work
[04:32] <Raskall-edge> r0bby: the drive on my (brand new, two months old) laptop failed yesterday. Just before the backup of two months work was about to start.
[04:33] <zAo^> littleworm, well, I dont know. I use Mplayer
[04:33] <r0bby> i imaged the drive using dd
[04:33] <r0bby> :)
[04:33] <r0bby> so i'm good
[04:33] <r0bby> :)
[04:33] <r0bby> it's imaged onto a healthy drive
[04:33] <littleworm> zAo^, it doesn't work as well
[04:33] <Raskall-edge> topyli: on my behalf the problem is irssi. afaik it does not support utf-8. know about recode.pl, though, but that isn't good enough
[04:33] <zAo^> littleworm, error msg?
[04:33] <mjr> irssi does support utf-8
[04:33] <topyli> r0bby: since you have backups, the drive will most likely last forever ;-)
[04:34] <Seveas> il_padrino, still here?
[04:34] <dArtagnan> mplayer is so bugged, really when it comes to playing dvd WITH sound
[04:34] <mjr> what it doesn't support yet (in release versions) is charset conversions
[04:34] <littleworm> zAo^, non, it just gets stuck
[04:34] <Raskall-edge> mjr: the version in apt?
[04:34] <il_padrino> Seveas, yes
[04:34] <mjr> but you can use it on an utf-8 terminal just fine
[04:34] <selinium> Raskall-ege: take a look at rsync it can image your drives incremantally and automatically
[04:34] <Kmorph> I just want to send a huge thank you to all the people who made Ubuntu possible. Its really changed much for me.
[04:34] <Seveas> i'm building the breezy packages for hoary now
[04:34] <mjr> Raskall-edge, I think so, it's supported it since forever
[04:34] <Raskall-edge> selinium: it was rsync that was about to start when things failed.
[04:35] <ma3x> how can i empty the trash in evolution mail?
[04:35] <il_padrino> Seveas, for bitchx1.1-final ?
[04:35] <Kemito> Kmorph: what's it changed for you?
[04:35] <thoreauputic> Raskall-edge: perhaps you are using irssi in a non utf-8 term like aterm ?
[04:35] <topyli> ma3x: there's a menu entry in the Actions menu
[04:35] <Raskall-edge> mjr: so how do I turn on utf-8? on our company internal irc-channel I type iso-8859-1 from irssi.
[04:36] <selinium> Raskall-edge: aargh don't you just hate that! I had a hard drive go down, i went to a specialist recovery place who wanted to charge 25 per Gig recovered..... I just lived with the loss...
[04:36] <ma3x> thanks topyli
[04:36] <ChrischiO`GER> ehm.. max partition size for FAT32 is some above a TeraByte, isnt it?
[04:36] <Seveas> il_padrino, no, seems like breezy doesn't have it too...
[04:36] <Seveas> il_padrino, from which repository did you get that deb>
[04:36] <Seveas> ?
[04:36] <mjr> Raskall-edge, it should detect it from locales, but if it doesn't, /set term_type utf8. Of course, you need to actually talk utf-8 to it from the terminal, then.
[04:36] <Kmorph> I'm was previously using Debian and had to go through so mant configuration,but now I just have to sit back and enjoy my seat
[04:36] <mjr> Raskall-edge, sorry, utf-8. And it might still need a restart after that, not sure.
[04:36] <topyli> Kmorph: boring isn't it :)
[04:36] <zAo^> littleworm, use you console to discover why
[04:37] <ma3x> is there any good program to backup my ubuntu?
[04:37] <il_padrino> Seveas, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/bitchx
[04:37] <Goodspeed_> why can't i edit my xorg.conf?
[04:37] <il_padrino> Goodspeed,
[04:37] <il_padrino> like root ?
[04:37] <Raskall-edge> mjr: thank you. I'd like to hug you. now i don't need to use the ugly xchat on the internal irc.
[04:37] <selinium> ma3x: rsync is great
[04:37] <il_padrino> sudo nano xorg.cong
[04:37] <il_padrino> ?
[04:37] <il_padrino> sudo nano xorg.conf
[04:37] <Goodspeed_> sure
[04:37] <Kmorph> Its the idea behind Ubuntu that I love most, not the boring part of sitting back watching it do autoconfigs
[04:37] <Goodspeed_> ill try that
[04:38] <Raskall-edge> well.. got to go.. the train is almost home...
[04:38] <Seveas> il_padrino, hang on
[04:38] <Goodspeed_> thatt thing just opened a blank text doc in terminal
[04:38] <ma3x> selinium, how does it backup, copying the files only, or plus with compression?
[04:38] <r0bby> topyli, one can wish
[04:38] <topyli> Kmorph: yes. you get mostly sane defaults. still you can customize it like debian itself. best of both worlds
[04:38] <r0bby> i'll come home and try and access the mount point, and it wont work
[04:38] <r0bby> :P
[04:39] <selinium> ma3x: it is a command line program so you can get it to do anything
[04:39] <Kmorph> topyli -> Sure
[04:39] <topyli> r0bby: naah. things only break when your backups are old
[04:39] <ma3x> selinium, I need graphic program, I am a newbie
[04:39] <thoreauputic> Goodspeed: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:39] <Goodspeed_> so is there a way to edit xorg.conf>?
[04:39] <r0bby> my backups can't be old ;P
[04:39] <Goodspeed_> i know where it is
[04:39] <Goodspeed_> but its readonly
[04:39] <r0bby> ntfs is read-only
[04:40] <thoreauputic> Goodspeed: erm - you need to use sudo to edit it
[04:40] <Goodspeed_> i have
[04:40] <selinium> ma3x: try Ghost for Linux http://www.linuxsoft.cz/en/sw_detail.php?id_item=4265
[04:40] <Goodspeed_> sudo -e
[04:40] <Goodspeed_> but when i save it
[04:40] <Goodspeed_> i overwrite the old one
[04:40] <Goodspeed_> and i get permission denied
[04:41] <selinium> ma3x: it looks like it will serve your purposes.
[04:41] <ma3x> selinium, is it available as a package?
[04:41] <thoreauputic> Goodspeed_: ? just run sudo nano /path/to/file - you can save it for sure (I don't know why you are using sudo -e)
[04:41] <Goodspeed_> me either
[04:42] <selinium> ma3x: I do not know.... Take a look! others can be found at http://www.linuxsoft.cz/en/sw_list.php?id_kategory=89
[04:42] <Goodspeed_> what would the bus id be for a pci express card?
[04:42] <Goodspeed_> im installing my radeon
[04:43] <topyli> Goodspeed_: check with lspci
[04:43] <Goodspeed_> wheres taht?
[04:43] <topyli> it's just a command
[04:43] <thoreauputic> Goodspeed_: just type lspci ( or lspci | less )
[04:44] <ma3x> ok thanks selinium
[04:44] <Goodspeed_> and the numbers like 0000:01:00.0 is the bus number?
[04:44] <selinium> ma3x: np
[04:45] <topyli> Goodspeed_: yes. i think you can disregard the first 0000:
[04:45] <Goodspeed_> PCI:1:0:0
[04:45] <Goodspeed_> that was in xorg
[04:45] <Goodspeed_> so is that right?
[04:45] <Goodspeed_> under device
[04:45] <mastertet> Wow
[04:45] <Goodspeed_> for my video card
[04:45] <Seveas> il_padrino, the package needs other things from newer versions too
[04:45] <Seveas> too much work :)
[04:45] <topyli> Goodspeed_: the syntax is right. i don't know of course if it's the right bus :)
[04:45] <Goodspeed_> ok
[04:46] <mastertet> Ubuntu is really progressing!
[04:46] <Goodspeed_> im just making sure... i've reinsalled ubuntu three times in the past 24 hours
[04:46] <il_padrino> Seveas, like ncurse and libc6 ?
[04:46] <topyli> Goodspeed_: yes well, you have to stop doing that :)
[04:47] <mastertet> zAo^, is beagle included in your Ubuntu version?
[04:48] <Seveas> il_padrino, no it needs a newer quilt than hoary has :)
[04:48] <mastertet> I'm currently using debian bu I think I'll switch to Ubuntu when breezy is released
[04:48] <zAo^> mastertet, it inst, its in the repo though
[04:49] <mastertet> ok
[04:49] <zAo^> reboot
[04:49] <Kimppa> hello.. I was wondering if someone could help me with a printer problem
[04:49] <Goodspeed> OK now that i've tackled the video card... how would i got about installing an audigy ls card?
[04:53] <Kimppa> how do I convert a plain text file into postscript format so I can print it?
[04:54] <mjr> Kimppa, with mpage
[04:54] <Goodspeed> how can i get into a folder if it says that i cant
[04:54] <Goodspeed> even though its there in terminal
[04:54] <Goodspeed> cd right?
[04:54] <Goodspeed> nmmmm
[04:55] <Goodspeed> how would i install libusb development libraries?
[04:55] <topyli> Goodspeed: do something like "apt-cache search libusb | grep dev" to find the package you want
[04:56] <thoreauputic> Goodspeed: it sounds like you are doing everything the hard way
[04:56] <Goodspeed> im following guides at forums
[04:56] <Goodspeed> on ubuntu's
[04:56] <Goodspeed> do i want the usb or the hid
[04:56] <Goodspeed> ?
[04:56] <dArtagnan> sudo cd /dir ?
[04:57] <ma3x> how do I switch keyboard layouts?
[04:58] <zAo^> Goodspeed, for dir: sudo cd /dir. For pkg: sudo apt-get install libusb-dev
[04:58] <spamalope> how can i search for a package name via command line?
[04:58] <zAo^> ma3x, in gnome?
[04:58] <ma3x> zAo^, yes!
[04:58] <zAo^> spamalope, apt-cache search <PKG>/<STRING>
[04:58] <thoreauputic> spamalope: apt-cache search <packagename>
[04:58] <dArtagnan> sudo apt-get search package
[04:58] <spamalope> thanks
[04:59] <thoreauputic> dArtagnan: the sudo is uneccessary for searches
[04:59] <Goodspeed> configure:1855: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[04:59] <Goodspeed> what does that mean?
[04:59] <thoreauputic> Goodspeed: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[04:59] <dArtagnan> ok, didn't knew that, never tried it without sudo
[04:59] <topyli> dArtagnan: also, you'd use apt-cache
[04:59] <Goodspeed> thoreauputic you are a god
[04:59] <thoreauputic> you need to install compiler tools
[04:59] <zany> hey everyone
[04:59] <wdh> !package php5
[04:59] <ubotu> wdh: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[05:00] <ma3x> zAo^, how?
[05:00] <thoreauputic> Goodspeed: you wouldn't say that if you met me ;)
[05:00] <zAo^> ma3x, srry. menu > system > settings > keyboard TAB: layouts
[05:00] <Echelon-H> . #
[05:01] <thoreauputic> wdh: AFAIK php5 isn't available in hoary
[05:02] <Goodspeed> how do i go up a directory
[05:02] <zany> how do i modify gnome menu please ? (like adding a program to Application->Internet)
[05:02] <thoreauputic> Goodspeed: cd ..
[05:02] <leroj> smeg?
[05:02] <thoreauputic> note two dots Goodspeed
[05:02] <zAo^> how can I connect to a hostname only? do I need to edit /etc/hosts??
[05:02] <zany> leroj, "smeg" i don't find this package for 5.04
[05:03] <r00t_m0j0> hi every1
[05:03] <zany> that's what i've found in faq though
[05:03] <zAo^> lo
[05:03] <leroj> ok
[05:03] <chicken_man> I get this error when i try to configure Pango:: configure: WARNING: No fontconfig found, skipping tests for FreeType and Xft
[05:03] <chicken_man> configure: error: *** Didn't find any of FreeType, X11, or Win32
[05:03] <chicken_man> ***Must have at least one backend to build Pango.
[05:03] <thoreauputic> zAo^: either DNS or an entry in /etc/hosts, yeah
[05:03] <r00t_m0j0> I got into some trouble with ATI frglx, there is no such resitricted module for kernel 2.6.12-6
[05:03] <zAo^> thanks thoreauputic
[05:03] <r00t_m0j0> any1 know how to get those restricted module?
[05:04] <Tomcat_> r00t_m0j0: Do you need a newer kernel than 2.6.10?
[05:04] <Goodspeed> how do i use synaptics to satisfy the dependences?
[05:04] <glick> excuse me arnt the wxpython2.6.0.1 debs in the repos yet?
[05:04] <glick> i still have 2.5.3
[05:05] <r00t_m0j0> Tomcat_: i m with Breezy, so..no choice, must stick with 2.6.12-6
[05:05] <konut> holas
[05:05] <ColonelKernel> r00t_m0j0, I use that kernel on hoary
[05:06] <zAo^> glick, in Breezy they are
[05:06] <chicken_man> is GTK+ is the repository ?
[05:06] <ColonelKernel> it works wonderfully
[05:06] <zAo^> chicken_man, yes; Gnome is GTK+ based
[05:06] <glick> zAo^, how can i install them on my hoary
[05:06] <ColonelKernel> I wish I knew what patch ubuntu uses on the kernel to make it ubuntu-compatible
[05:06] <zAo^> glick, get the source pkg from debian and rebuild them
[05:06] <ColonelKernel> so I could use vanilla kernels
[05:06] <konut> alguien de chile?
[05:06] <zAo^> or ask for backport
[05:06] <glick> ugh!
[05:07] <glick> i gotta compile shit
[05:07] <ColonelKernel> excrement
[05:07] <zAo^> glick, welcome to linux m8
[05:07] <chicken_man> zAo^, what repository is it in ?
[05:07] <ColonelKernel> or feces.
[05:07] <glick> should i uninstall wxpython2.5.3 first?
[05:07] <ColonelKernel> plz
[05:07] <Tomcat_> glick: Absolutely.
[05:07] <r00t_m0j0> I know 2.6.10 has ATI module, but what about newer?
[05:07] <Tomcat_> glick: Because the next package update will break your installation.
[05:07] <r00t_m0j0> anyone can help me out?
[05:07] <glick> damnit!
[05:08] <Tomcat_> glick: Or you could stay with the package and install the self-compilation in /usr/local... that should also work.
[05:08] <glick> can i just download the soruce from wxpython.org?
[05:09] <Goodspeed> ahhh this is driving me nuts
[05:09] <Goodspeed> i have glib
[05:09] <Goodspeed> but it says i dont
[05:09] <thoreauputic> Goodspeed: you probably need the -dev library
[05:09] <thoreauputic> Goodspeed: what's with all this compiling?
[05:09] <Goodspeed> i just downloaded that in synaptic
[05:09] <Goodspeed> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=33040&highlight=gnomad
[05:10] <Tomcat_> glick: Probably... but beware that the source might depend on other libs that are newer than you have.
[05:10] <Yagisan> glick: what do you need compiled
[05:10] <Goodspeed> i need to get my nomad working... it has most of the carrie-overs from my windows machine
[05:11] <chicken_man> what repository is GTK+ in ?, and how do i add it to sources.list
[05:11] <Equis> Sharing my printer with Windows XP is ungodly slow.
[05:11] <Yagisan> glick: I have an i386 and amd64 hoary autobuilder setup. Point me to what you want in breezy, and I can build it in hoary for you.
[05:12] <glick> where can i get the src package
[05:12] <nmsa> hello, I have a Philips Semiconductors SAA7130 Video Broadcast Decoder, can someone point a TV Application taht work with my card? thnx
[05:12] <egil_> Is there a better soft than azureus to bit-torrent-download ?
[05:12] <glick> Yagisan, thanks but id rather learn how to do it myself
[05:12] <Yagisan> glick: no probs
[05:13] <chicken_man> what repository is GTK+ in ?, and how do i add it to sources.list
[05:13] <glick> just direct me where i can find the source?
[05:13] <Equis> I've tried everything I find online, but I'm never able to surf to the Ubuntu box on port 631
[05:13] <wdh> chicken_man, please be patient..
[05:13] <Equis> Would someone be kind enough to help me troubleshoot?
[05:13] <Equis> This is my first *nix install
[05:13] <wdh> chicken_man, give the right person some time to read it..
[05:13] <Yagisan> glick: lok up the pbuilder howto on the ubuntu wiki. It's usefull for when you want to backport
[05:14] <chicken_man> vdh, well i don't have all day
[05:14] <wdh> chicken_man, then try google..
[05:14] <Earered> Equis, what is the trouble?
[05:14] <wdh> chicken_man, asking the same question twice in two minutes isnt going to help you..
[05:14] <Goodspeed> checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool
[05:14] <Equis> Earered: Printing is s l o w from XP
[05:15] <thoreauputic> chicken_man: this channel consists of volunteers - we aren't being paid to help you so if you find us slow, well...
[05:15] <wdh> chicken_man, actually.. if you would have just waited patiently.. you probably would have your answer by now :P
[05:15] <chicken_man> lol
[05:15] <Goodspeed> checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool
[05:15] <Goodspeed> what do i need to satisfy this?
[05:15] <Goodspeed> the perl module?
[05:15] <glick> where do i get the necessary soruce for wxpython and wxgtk2.6.1
[05:15] <wdh> chicken_man, i recommend http://packages.ubuntu.com
[05:15] <glick> ?
[05:15] <Will_> If you want paid help, google answers woul be a good place to start. You can bitch at them if you don't like what you get
[05:16] <Yagisan> glick: http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/python/wxpython2.6-0
[05:16] <Earered> Equis, from XP toward a shared printer in linux? If so I won't be of much help (the printer is shared through XP at home)
[05:17] <glick> Yagisan, i cant just use the binaries from breezy?
[05:17] <Choubaka> glick: That would break stuff.
[05:17] <Earered> Equis, though this thread might help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=c2ec44458f6ed765332a89999ba15231&p=244356#post244356
[05:17] <Yagisan> glick: Usually they have a higher dependency, so you may find you need to upgrade other things
[05:17] <thoreauputic> chicken_man: the real problem is that you didn't frame your question well: type apt-cache search gtk+ in a terminal to see why
[05:18] <om_> hey guys, just did a fresh install of hoary.. unlike the last time I did it there is no debian menu/submenu on either gnome or kde.. anyone know how to add that?
[05:18] <glick> damn so i have to upgrade an assload of things just to get the latest python?
[05:18] <Yagisan> glick: not if you backport it (well not usually)
[05:19] <glick> Yagisan, so i just have to backport the packages im interested in not the ones it depends on?
[05:19] <Yagisan> glick: that's right.
[05:19] <Goodspeed> i just found all the dependencies by myself!!
[05:19] <Goodspeed> without help!!
[05:19] <Goodspeed> woohooooo
[05:19] <chicken_man> thoreauputic, ahhhh
[05:19] <Yagisan> glick: using pbuilder you can build it against hoarys version of packages.
[05:20] <GreenRiver> Hello everyone. I have a small problem about setting up dhcp in Hoary. I ordered the disks from the 'net. The live cd works fine. I have a cable modem attached to a CNet ethernet (Davicom as Linux pronounces). The problem is that installation at first recognizes DHCP and connects to the net. However after the restart and so on I cannot connect. There is a connection as eth0; but when I disable it from the system menu, it doesn't seem affected as it sho
[05:20] <GreenRiver> uld be (the lights never change). Any help would be appreciated. Thank you!
[05:23] <Goodspeed> how do i refresh the menu at the top?
[05:23] <Goodspeed> like killall
[05:23] <Goodspeed> something
[05:23] <Goodspeed> right?
[05:23] <thoreauputic> Goodspeed: killall gnome-panel
[05:24] <Earered> Goodspeed, something like killall gnome-panel IIRC
[05:24] <Goodspeed> woohhooo
[05:24] <Goodspeed> what's the best mp3 player for linux?
[05:24] <equex_> i found an old PCI SCSI adapter and a 800MB SCSI disk.. you guys think this would work nicely as a swap patition for linux ? tested in in win2000, works great
[05:24] <dabaR> hi
[05:27] <wdh> Goodspeed, depends on what you like :)
[05:27] <Goodspeed> i want something like itunes i guess
[05:27] <thoreauputic> om_: sudo apt-get install menu menu-xdg then run update-menus
[05:27] <Earered> GreenRiver, no connection, or just no DNS?
[05:28] <GreenRiver> Earered, no connection.
[05:28] <dabaR> hey, does anyone know anything about making a picture out of a video file?
[05:28] <chicken_man> ;=( i still can't find what one is GTK i just want GTK+ so i can use it in my programs
[05:28] <Goodspeed> why does my add or remove applications not populate
[05:28] <Goodspeed> it just sits there with that spinning thing
[05:28] <GreenRiver> Earered, as I guess. There is eth0 in ifconfig; but it's something different or obsolete I think.
[05:29] <dabaR> Goodspeed: as a joke, because it is based on windows,.
[05:29] <thoreauputic> chicken_man: a program you are writing? Or compiling from source? Or what?
[05:29] <ma3x> does anybody understand gimp?
[05:30] <windex> yes?
[05:30] <ma3x> ok, im trying to make my digital signature
[05:30] <chicken_man> thoreauputic, A Programming i am writing
[05:30] <ma3x> so i scanned my signature and put it in a file
[05:30] <ma3x> but the background is not white, it's gray
[05:30] <ma3x> is it possible to make it white?
[05:31] <windex> oi. the problem is that you are scanning your signature. uh, you can try to cut out the writing, but its labor intensive.
[05:31] <Goodspeed> so how would i get rid of a program?
[05:31] <chicken_man> program*
[05:31] <thoreauputic> chicken_man: erm - you will need the development libraries then - I'm puzzled as to how you can write programs without knowing what libraries you need
[05:31] <ma3x> but there is option to colorize the image
[05:32] <Earered> GreenRiver, whoa not so fast, try in a terminal ping 216.239.57.99
[05:32] <ma3x> i tried and it can make the background green or red like
[05:32] <ma3x> but not white
[05:32] <ma3x> now that's dumb
[05:32] <Tomcat_> thoreauputic: I'm sometimes quite puzzled about how many developers send out their source without info on the libs... it's like "Find out yourself" ;)
[05:32] <Yagisan> glick: It seems to build OK with hoary. You shouldn't have any trouble backporting it.
[05:33] <windex> ma3x, it would be more effective to use a digitizer or tablet to produce the signature, cutting out the background is difficult.
[05:33] <chicken_man> thoreauputic, I just want GTK i have already installed GLib but i'm having problems with Pango
[05:33] <dabaR> Goodspeed: like remove a program?
[05:33] <dabaR> or remove its icon from your menu?
[05:33] <Goodspeed> yeaap
[05:33] <Goodspeed> program
[05:33] <dabaR> sudo aptitude remove x
[05:33] <dabaR> or, System>Admin>Synaptic, find th eprograam in the list, and right click remove
[05:33] <GreenRiver> Earered, I tried 195.174.0.1. 195.174.x.x is the default ip adress standard of my isp. An error was returned like "network not recognized" or something like that.
[05:33] <coolblue> HELP!!!!!!!
[05:34] <chicken_man> thoreauputic, I want GTK ready installed so i don't have to compile any thing to make it work
[05:34] <coolblue> how do i bookmark a set of tabs in firefox?
[05:34] <ma3x> its not difficult, you just have tot know how
[05:34] <coolblue> how do i bookmark a set of tabs in firefox? pleeeeeeeeeeeez
[05:34] <chillywilly> can't do it
[05:34] <chillywilly> make a bunch of bookmarks and move them into a folder
[05:35] <windex> ma3x, basically, you need to select all the regions of gray, cut them, and then do a pixel by pixel manipulation to get rid of the fuzzy pieces. that's how it works in photoshop, too.
[05:35] <Earered> GreenRiver, could you try again? the error might help me to help you :)
[05:35] <coolblue> manually??
[05:35] <coolblue> only way?
[05:35] <windex> ma3x, or you can play with your scanner's white balance settings.
[05:35] <chillywilly> coolblue: I think that's your only option
[05:35] <GreenRiver> Earered, I'll reboot then. I'll be here in ten minutes.
[05:35] <wdh> coolblue, wait.. lemme check that out.. you _can_ bookmark a set of tabs in FF
[05:36] <Earered> GreenRiver, wait a second
[05:36] <chillywilly> coolblue: I use http://del.icio.us :)
[05:36] <GreenRiver> Earered, OK.
[05:37] <windex> ma3x, you might have more help in a gimp-related channel, though.
[05:37] <glick> the pbuilder wiki page doesnt mention how to build a backport from a source file
[05:37] <Earered> GreenRiver, given that I did this error myself, ensure that you have set up the DNS correctly (sometimes you can forget the obvious)
[05:37] <ph8> can anyone help me with this problem? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=281842&posted=1#post281842 my ubuntu install thinks i've got an ATI card instead of a nvidia one
[05:38] <wdh> coolblue, just use 'Bookmark this page' and then tick the box next to 'Bookmark all tabs into a folder'
[05:38] <Yagisan> glick: you set up a pbuilder install of what version of ubuntu you want (ie hoary)
[05:38] <Earered> GreenRiver, and good luck (I might be gone when you come back)
[05:38] <glick> with wxpython i cant do apt-get src wxpython
[05:38] <glick> because ill just get old sources
[05:38] <Yagisan> glick: then you download the breezy source package
[05:38] <thoreauputic> chicken_man: I highly recommend you read this with attention: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[05:38] <glick> i downloaded the source as a tgz file
[05:38] <Yagisan> glick: and then run pbuilder to build it
[05:39] <GreenRiver> Earered, OK. I'm a bit confused, though. Live cd automatically sets up. Anyway. Thank you very much!
[05:39] <Yagisan> glick: I'd grab the breezy source
[05:39] <glick> i did download it
[05:39] <glick> Yagisan, so where do i put it?
[05:39] <Yagisan> glick: *.dsc and *.tar.gz ?
[05:39] <glick> yup
[05:39] <coolblue> Thanks wdh:)
[05:39] <Earered> GreenRiver, well, it won't guess the DNS that your ISP provides ^_^
[05:39] <chicken_man> can some well tell me how to get GTK+ so i can use it in my C++ and C programs ?
[05:39] <coolblue> Thanks wdh:)
[05:39] <Yagisan> glick: whatever working directory you like
[05:40] <glick> ok
[05:40] <glick> Yagisan, i have to untar it i presume?
[05:40] <GreenRiver> Earered, wait. The dns numbers were recorded on the non networking setup just like this live cd.
[05:40] <Yagisan> glick: no
[05:40] <Yagisan> glick: back in sec. baby trouble
[05:40] <coolblue> backports repo not working:HELP!!
[05:40] <glick> heh k
[05:40] <glick> thanks
[05:40] <Tomcat_> coolblue: Tried another mirror? They are down sometimes...
[05:41] <wdh> coolblue, define 'not working'
[05:41] <coolblue> dont undertsand that...
[05:41] <Earered> GreenRiver, what do you mean?
[05:41] <wdh> coolblue, 'not working' doesnt exactly help us helping you :)
[05:42] <wdh> coolblue, what is the error-message?
[05:42] <wdh> coolblue, and what did you try?
[05:42] <flo> hi all
[05:42] <coolblue> oh sorry...it says something like this repo does not exist
[05:42] <GreenRiver> Earered, I launch system-admin-network-dns. There are some dns numbers. The numbers that I use now are recognized by the setup too.
[05:42] <wdh> coolblue, where did you add the repo to?? using synaptic?
[05:42] <wdh> coolblue, or straight into /etc/apt/sources.list?
[05:43] <coolblue> edtiting sources.list
[05:43] <wdh> sure you didnt make a typo?
[05:43] <coolblue> nope
[05:43] <coolblue> did copy-paste
[05:43] <thoreauputic> chicken_man: try this: apt-cache search gtk+ | grep lib | grep gtk2 | grep dev - but I still suggest you read esr's excellent article
[05:43] <Yagisan> glick: back. after setting up pbuilder you just run "pbuilder build *.dsc"
[05:44] <wdh> coolblue, can you paste your sources.list into a pastebin and paste the link here?
[05:44] <coolblue> ok let me see...
[05:44] <Yagisan> glick: It just takes a while to set pbuilder up.
[05:44] <flo> i know i'm not on the right chan, but could anyone tell me how to add icons on the icewm desktop using rox-filer?
[05:45] <ADM-UNIMET> hi everyone
[05:45] <ADM-UNIMET> i have a huge problem with a server
[05:45] <ADM-UNIMET> it's a ibm eseries 300 with SATA RAID 1
[05:45] <thoreauputic> flo: the rox help tells you how to make a pinboard and you can drag icons onto that
[05:45] <ADM-UNIMET> install perfect but when it's gone to start the server said that not found operating system
[05:46] <ADM-UNIMET> something about boot sector
[05:46] <wdh> ADM-UNIMET, do not use your enter-key that much :P
[05:46] <ADM-UNIMET> any help?
[05:46] <GreenRiver> Earered, one more thing. There are four lights on my modem. In a live session the PC light flashes all the time. When I disable eth0, it stands still. In non networking setup when I disable eth0 (the one with dns numbers) PC light keeps flashing. I think it's not affected. Something may be wrong with eth0's hardware configuration.
[05:46] <ADM-UNIMET> ohhhh sorry!
[05:46] <thoreauputic> flo: the rox help is actually quite helpful - unlike some help files ;)
[05:46] <flo> thoreauputic, yes, i know how to make a pinboard, but where do i drag the icons from, since i don't have any ?
[05:46] <Subliminal> ADM-UNIMET: what device is it set to boot from (in the bios)
[05:46] <Chaotic_Shield> morning all
[05:46] <Chaotic_Shield> Anyone know a good pop/smtp daemon?
[05:46] <thoreauputic> flo: you can use any icons in the filer, basically
[05:47] <ADM-UNIMET> well, there is a bios but the ibm fix de raid card with it own software :'(
[05:47] <Chaotic_Shield> ah;
[05:47] <ADM-UNIMET> the last operating system was win 2003 server and boot ok
[05:47] <Chaotic_Shield> mom's yelling
[05:47] <thoreauputic> flo: it will ask you which of the many you want
[05:47] <Subliminal> ADM-UNIMET: it boots of the raid?
[05:47] <ADM-UNIMET> yeap :'(
[05:47] <Earered> GreenRiver, yep probably
[05:47] <flo> ok; i'll look through the help anyway
[05:47] <thoreauputic> flo: lots of icons in places like /usr/share/pixmap
[05:47] <flo> thoreauputic, thanks :)
[05:48] <Subliminal> only thing i know about raid, is raid 0 isnt bootable and raid 5 is
[05:48] <ph8> anyone?
[05:48] <ph8> can anyone help me with this problem? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=281842&posted=1#post281842 my ubuntu install thinks i've got an ATI card instead of a nvidia one
[05:48] <ADM-UNIMET> but i think raid 5 are not allowed on SATA
[05:49] <thoreauputic> flo: no worries - also try " locate icons | less (I think you'll be surprised how many are at your disposal)
[05:49] <ADM-UNIMET> try the grub-install hd0 but nothing happends :'(
[05:49] <Subliminal> :-/ i dont know anything about raid sorry, what i just said might not even be true
[05:49] <coolblue> try grub-install /dev/hda
[05:50] <J_P> hi all
[05:50] <J_P> hi all
[05:50] <J_P> people, I have one important question about useradd!!
[05:50] <Earered> GreenRiver, I guess that you will have to delve in the ifconf manpages
[05:51] <zAo^> J_P, shoot
[05:51] <GreenRiver> Earered, OK. Right away. Thanks a lot.
[05:51] <J_P> groupadd csp
[05:51] <J_P> useradd andrea -c "Andrea Viana da Silva" -s /bin/false -g csp -d /home/andrea -m
[05:52] <Goodspeed> how do i remove a package not listed in synaptic
[05:52] <chicken_man> thoreauputic, Thanks i am downloading it now.
[05:52] <J_P> second line not wotrk
[05:52] <J_P> groupadd add ok csp
[05:52] <J_P> but user "andrea" not go do group csp in /etc/group, why ?
[05:53] <zAo^> J_P, not go do group: what? :)
[05:53] <MrMo> what tool to use to create VCD's ?
[05:53] <MrMo> or DVD's? for the DVD player?
[05:53] <thoreauputic> chicken_man: do you see what I meant? I wasn't meaning to be difficult - just trying to show you how to work stuff out yourself :)
[05:53] <J_P> zAo^: user "andrea"
[05:53] <J_P> zAo^: useradd andrea -c "Andrea Viana da Silva" -s /bin/false -g csp -d /home/andrea -m
[05:53] <chicken_man> thoreauputic, LOL
[05:53] <Goodspeed> thoreauputic how do i uninstall things not listed in synaptic???
[05:53] <om_> Goodspeed: sudo apt-get remove packagename
[05:53] <chicken_man> Goodspeed, apt-get remove XXX ?
[05:54] <thoreauputic> Goodspeed: erm - such as ?
[05:54] <glick> heh ok i tink its building
[05:54] <Goodspeed> that stupid gnomad thing
[05:54] <Goodspeed> piece of shit
[05:54] <flo> thoreauputic, hi again, i'm sry to bother you, but is there a way to start rox and the pinboard and panel automatically as i log in to icewm?
[05:54] <Goodspeed> i run those things but it doesnt find them
[05:54] <J_P> zAo^: greoup csp are yet this : csp:x:1003:
[05:54] <ma3x> is there a good CD/DVD burn software for GNOME?
[05:54] <J_P> zAo^: whout user "andrea"
[05:54] <zAo^> J_P, hm. Trying to find out..
[05:54] <chicken_man> I wonder why ubuntu does not come with Fluxbox
[05:54] <bur[n] er> ma3x: nautilus, graveman, gnomebaker
[05:54] <DeMi> ma3x: K3B
[05:55] <bur[n] er> chicken_man: because it focuses on gnome
[05:55] <ma3x> DeMi, k3b is for KDE
[05:55] <glick> chicken_man, just do apt-get install fluxbox
[05:55] <goldfish> apt-get install fluxbox , done.
[05:55] <J_P> zAo^: ok. I try in debian and work fine!
[05:55] <thoreauputic> flo: I'm sure there is - but I don't know it off the top of my head - sorry: you would put the commands in the icewm startup script though
[05:55] <zAo^> J_P, tried useradd without the -g and usermod afterwards?
[05:55] <glick> debian doesnt come with flux either
[05:55] <BTJustice> I am downloading the live version right now. I specifically want to try and hopefully use Evolution for all my e-mail :). Is there anything I need to know? Will folders be created on my Windows XP hard drive to save e-mail to and such?
[05:55] <chicken_man> I like Fluxbox it's good for slower computers
[05:55] <J_P> zAo^: no! moment, i go try
[05:55] <goldfish> fluxbox rocks.
[05:56] <flo> thoreauputic, I see ... is it in ~/.IceWm ?
[05:56] <glick> i love python
[05:56] <glick> python is the shizzy mcnizzy
[05:56] <chicken_man> mmmm python :P
[05:56] <J_P> zAo^: is impossible withou -g..
[05:56] <J_P> zAo^: i have erro of useradd
[05:56] <zAo^> show me :)
[05:56] <bur[n] er> instead of "useradd" try "adduser"
[05:56] <glick> i want to build a finance program using python
[05:56] <thoreauputic> flo: no - try looking at /usr/share/xsessions and see if there is a icewm.desktop file - see where the Exec line points
[05:57] <glick> geared at college students
[05:57] <J_P> zAo^: root@neo:~ # useradd andrea -c "Andrea Viana da Silva" -s /bin/false csp -d /home/andrea -m
[05:57] <J_P> usage: useradd [-u uid [-o] ] [-g group] [-G group,...]
[05:57] <J_P> [-d home] [-s shell] [-c comment] [-m [-k template] ]
[05:57] <chicken_man> glick: lol
[05:57] <glick> cause i keep losing track of my finances and end up getting screwed when at the beginning of the month i spent 400 bucks and have no idea where it went
[05:57] <thoreauputic> flo: or better , consult the docs on the icewm home page
[05:57] <Chaotic_Shield> what's a good pop3 server?
[05:57] <zAo^> J_P, err msg?
[05:57] <flo> thoreauputic, ok
[05:57] <J_P> Chaotic_Shield: qpopper is good
[05:57] <chicken_man> glick: use C++
[05:57] <J_P> zAo^: yes
[05:57] <glick> chicken_man, ugh
[05:58] <BTJustice> I am downloading the live version right now. I specifically want to try and hopefully use Evolution for all my e-mail :). Is there anything I need to know? Will folders be created on my Windows XP hard drive to save e-mail to and such?
[05:58] <Chaotic_Shield> yay!
[05:58] <flo> thoreauputic, wait, i found the IceWM.desktop file
[05:58] <Chaotic_Shield> now just need an smtp server.
[05:58] <J_P> zAo^: that is one problem in ubuntu useradd ?
[05:58] <glick> I know C and C++
[05:58] <nubbe> Is it possible to integrate Dictionary (2.10.1) in FF?
[05:58] <glick> why on earth would you want to use either of them if you didnt have to?
[05:58] <chicken_man> glick: nice :P i started a year ago
[05:58] <Chaotic_Shield> BTJustice, if your Windows hard drive isn't NTFS then Linux can write to it, else no.
[05:58] <zAo^> J_P, not as far as I know of. Can you give me the message>?
[05:58] <thoreauputic> flo: the exec line should point at the startup script
[05:58] <flo> thoreauputic, there's already /usr/bin/icewm-session in exec obviously
[05:58] <BTJustice> It is NTFS... shit!
[05:59] <J_P> zAo^: yes look:
[05:59] <J_P> root@neo:~ # useradd andrea -c "Andrea Viana da Silva" -s /bin/false csp -d /home/andrea -m
[05:59] <J_P> usage: useradd [-u uid [-o] ] [-g group] [-G group,...]
[05:59] <glick> chicken_man, i find learning to play an instrument is much more enjoyable then learning a language
[05:59] <Chaotic_Shield> J_P, can you recommend a good smtp server?
[05:59] <J_P> [-d home] [-s shell] [-c comment] [-m [-k template] ]
[05:59] <J_P> [-f inactive] [-e expire ] [-p passwd] name
[05:59] <chicken_man> glick: hehehe
[05:59] <J_P> zAo^: understan, parameter error
[05:59] <flo> thoreauputic, so shall i add a comma and add then rox -b 0 and rox -p 0 ?
[05:59] <thoreauputic> flo: run "file /usr/bin/icewm-session" to see if it's an editable script
[05:59] <J_P> Chaotic_Shield: i like very much postfix
[05:59] <thoreauputic> flo: NO!
[05:59] <Raskall> agh.. the ubuntu repos are soooo slow right now.
[05:59] <zAo^> hmmm
[05:59] <zAo^> donno, sorry m8
[05:59] <flo> thoreauputic, ok
[05:59] <Chaotic_Shield> postfix comes standard with Ubuntu :)
[05:59] <Goodspeed> how do i use a .deb package?
[05:59] <thoreauputic> flo: that won't work
[05:59] <goldfish> Goodspeed: dpkg -i moo.deb
[05:59] <J_P> zAo^: that sorry iis for me ?
[05:59] <chicken_man> How do i mount my FAT32 partition ?
[05:59] <[Spooky] > what the h*ll does this mean !? "sudo: unable to lookup linux via gethostbyname()"
[06:00] <glick> i gotta get ready, in one hour i gotta tear this lady that works at a real estate office across from me a new anal cavity
[06:00] <zAo^> yeah :$
[06:00] <flo> thoreauputic, it's not an editable script :(
[06:00] <J_P> please, anyone know how I add one user for any group in ubuntu using command line useradd ou another tool ?
[06:00] <Goodspeed> do i have to tar it?
[06:00] <goldfish> !mountwindows
[06:00] <ubotu> [mountwindows] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[06:00] <Goodspeed> its a .tar.gz
[06:00] <ADM-UNIMET> JP did you try webmin?
[06:00] <thoreauputic> flo: the best place to look is the icewm docs - I'm sure there are howtos etc linked from the icewm home page
[06:01] <goldfish> chicken_man: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[06:01] <J_P> ADM-UNIMET: yes, but postfixadmin is better
[06:01] <goldfish> Goodspeed: tar xvzf moo.tar.gz
[06:01] <flo> thoreauputic, ok thx :)
[06:01] <Goodspeed> and then go into the directory and do the dpkg thing?
[06:01] <thoreauputic> flo: I haven't used icewm much - I use fluxbox here
[06:01] <BTJustice> I have a spare hard drive I could hook up to my Windows XP machine. If I format it to some other file system, what should I do it with and what file system should it be in order for Ubuntu Live to save things to it?
[06:01] <flo> thoreauputic, ok :)
[06:01] <goldfish> Goodspeed: yes.
[06:01] <glick> creatign the most complex data structures in python is so simple a monkey could do it
[06:01] <goldfish> Goodspeed: you will need to use sudo with the dpkg command.
[06:01] <flo> thoreauputic, i wouldn't mind using fluxbox
[06:02] <J_P> people, i have one basic question... how I add one user for any group in ubuntu using command line useradd ou another tool ?
[06:02] <Chaotic_Shield> BTJustice, Ext3. I don't think Ubuntu Live can format drives though. If you have a spare drive, why not install Ubuntu on it and dual-boot?
[06:02] <windex> !tell windex about mp3
[06:02] <thoreauputic> flo: I suggest you choose one WM and learn it
[06:02] <Chaotic_Shield> hmm...
[06:02] <glick> i gotta finish my mp3 sorter program that i started writting
[06:02] <nubbe> I'm looking for a Firefox extension that can lookup dict.org, anyone knows?
[06:02] <BTJustice> Can I install Ubuntu from the Live CD or shoudl I cancel the downlaod and get the full version?
[06:02] <flo> thoreauputic, well, i don't really have time since i'm setting up a friend's comp
[06:02] <goldfish> u need the instasll cd
[06:02] <Chaotic_Shield> BTJustice, you'll need the full version.
[06:02] <J_P> Chaotic_Shield: you know how add one user for any group ?
[06:02] <thoreauputic> J_P: you might prefer to use the adduser command - it's easier
[06:02] <goldfish> *install
[06:02] <BTJustice> Alright, thanks.
[06:02] <Chaotic_Shield> I have both, quite handy to have both.
[06:03] <Chaotic_Shield> J_P, I don't.
[06:03] <windex> !tell windex about mp3
[06:03] <windex> maybe this time i can manage to not quit.
[06:03] <Chaotic_Shield> what's the command to mount your cdrom drive? Ubuntu isn't doing it for me.
[06:03] <BTJustice> Ubuntu does come with Evolution e-mail program right?
[06:03] <Chaotic_Shield> yes
[06:03] <Chadza> Yes.
[06:03] <J_P> thoreauputic: yeh, but i dont know how do this using "adduser" for add in group "admin" for example.. Can you write one example for me ?
[06:03] <BTJustice> Sweet in the panties!
[06:03] <Chaotic_Shield> Ubuntu install installs everything that comes with the Ubuntu Live CD.
[06:04] <Chaotic_Shield> Ubuntu Live == Ubuntu standard install
[06:04] <thoreauputic> Chaotic_Shield: usually just " mount /media/cdrom " should do it
[06:04] <Chaotic_Shield> thanks.
[06:04] <Goodspeed> goldfish i just dpkg it
[06:04] <Goodspeed> now what?
[06:04] <thoreauputic> Chaotic_Shield: assuming your /etc/fstab points at /media/cdrom
[06:04] <Goodspeed> is it installed?
[06:04] <Chaotic_Shield> thoreauputic, doesn't work, I get mount: special device /dev/hdc does not exist.
[06:04] <BTJustice> OW! One last thing. I have a D-Link DWL-G520 wireless card. Will Ubuntu find it alright and use it?
[06:05] <Chaotic_Shield> BTJustice, possibly.
[06:05] <MrMo> BTJustice, 520+?
[06:05] <thoreauputic> J_P: adduser <user's name> admin
[06:05] <MrMo> or simple 520?
[06:05] <Chaotic_Shield> But if it doesn't, go get ndiswrapper and follow the instructions on its website.
[06:05] <J_P> thoreauputic: ok, i go test.
[06:05] <BTJustice> G520
[06:05] <thoreauputic> J_P: with sudo, of course
[06:05] <BTJustice> That all I know.
[06:05] <MrMo> BTJustice, forget it. the G520 is the one with the ACX111 chip right?
[06:05] <BTJustice> It's the first version
[06:05] <BTJustice> Atheros
[06:05] <thoreauputic> Chaotic_Shield: ls -l /dev/cdrom
[06:06] <thoreauputic> Chaotic_Shield: see where that points
[06:06] <Chaotic_Shield> No such file or directory.
[06:06] <J_P> thoreauputic: root@neo:~ # adduser teste csp
[06:06] <J_P> adduser: The user `teste' does not exist.
[06:06] <MrMo> BTJustice, Atheros? even better. IIRC, Madwifi works with Atheros out of the box.
[06:06] <goldfish> Goodspeed: yes. installed.
[06:06] <J_P> thoreauputic: root@neo:~ # adduser teste admin
[06:06] <J_P> adduser: The user `teste' does not exist.
[06:06] <thoreauputic> J_P: *cough* well use a user that *does* exist
[06:06] <ma3x> is there any CD/DVD burning tool for GNOME?
[06:06] <Chaotic_Shield> yes
[06:06] <thoreauputic> J_P: it isn't magic you know
[06:07] <MrMo> ma3x, yes.
[06:07] <mjr> ma3x, nautilus will burn basic data discs
[06:07] <ma3x> mjr, how do I start it?
[06:07] <Chaotic_Shield> fscking hell.
[06:07] <MrMo> ma3x, the natulis will burn just about everthing for you
[06:07] <Chaotic_Shield> WHY WON'T YOU MOUNT CDROM DRIVE? [/caps]
[06:07] <MrMo> ma3x, if that's not enough, use gnomebacker
[06:07] <mjr> ma3x, it's the file manager
[06:07] <Raskall> are there any mirrors for the ubuntu-backports repos?
[06:07] <[Spooky] > whats the default su password ?
[06:07] <BTJustice> Waht is Madwifi???
[06:07] <MrMo> ma3x, <crlt>-<L> and enter burn:///
[06:07] <Chaotic_Shield> [Spooky] , none.
[06:07] <MrMo> BTJustice, Madwifi is the driver for wireless cards
[06:07] <MrMo> BTJustice, i.e. cards with the Atheros chip
[06:08] <Chaotic_Shield> I like ndiswrapper.
[06:08] <BTJustice> It comes with Ubuntu?
[06:08] <ma3x> can nautilius burn iso image?
[06:08] <[Spooky] > Chaotic_Shield: ok so how do i set a su password ?
[06:08] <Chaotic_Shield> Although it increases start times by a little while.
[06:08] <thoreauputic> Chaotic_Shield: if /dev/cdrom doesn't exist, you have a strange problem - look at /etc/fstab to see where the system thinks it is
[06:08] <MrMo> Chadza, Ndiswrapper is just *PLAIN WRONG[tm] *
[06:08] <Chaotic_Shield> yes ma3x
[06:08] <ma3x> Chaotic_Shield, how?
[06:08] <MrMo> ma3x, right click on iso image, select 'burn'
[06:08] <mjr> ndiswrapper isn't there to be liked, it's there to be lamentably used when absolutely necessary ;I
[06:08] <BTJustice> Madwifi comes with Ubuntu?
[06:08] <MrMo> BTJustice, as far as I know: yes.
[06:08] <bo> newbie here.. can anyone help configure printers
[06:08] <Chaotic_Shield> [Spooky] , open a terminal, then type sudo passwd.
[06:08] <MrMo> mjr, right.
[06:09] <zAo^> what was it that you needed to do when you got: could not open default font 'fixed'
[06:09] <BTJustice> COOL! Thanks.
[06:09] <Chaotic_Shield> thinks it's in /media/cdrom0
[06:09] <Chaotic_Shield> what a gay pos.
[06:09] <mjr> BTJustice, it's included in the restricted-modules packages
[06:09] <MrMo> bo, the gnome-cups integrations is already beautiful what do you need help with?
[06:09] <mjr> (which are installed by default)
[06:09] <Chaotic_Shield> brb
[06:09] <thoreauputic> Chaotic_Shield: you can symlink that to /media/cdrom if you wish
[06:09] <ma3x> can nautilius erase DVD/CDRW disc?
[06:09] <Goodspeed> how do i untar a bz2
[06:09] <snowblink> [Spooky] , you should be sudoing stuff.
[06:09] <MrMo> bo, but lets start with what flavor of ubuntu you got? warty, hoary, breezy?
[06:10] <bo> i need to set a second pc (windows) to print through me
[06:10] <windex> neat. watch the music player not suck with mp3 support! :D
[06:10] <MrMo> ma3x, yep it should be able to do that too
[06:10] <mjr> ma3x, I think it offers to erase data when trying to burn on one
[06:10] <MrMo> ma3x, but I feel like you might like 'gnomebacker'
[06:10] <bo> sorry hoary
[06:10] <MrMo> ma3x, you can get that from synaptic iirc.
[06:10] <MrMo> ma3x, http://www.ubuntuguide.org is your friend.
[06:10] <cefx> Morning. I have two problems. I still can't find my USB Hard Drive anywhere as a device to mount it. IS there USB mass storage support in the Ubuntu amd64 kernel?
[06:10] <[Spooky] > snowblink: yeah but have some trouble with hostname :/
[06:10] <windex> !guide
[06:10] <ubotu> windex: I don't know
[06:10] <skalpel> how can i change the font that ubuntu uses during bootup and the one used for console screens?
[06:10] <snowblink> [Spooky] , describe problem
[06:11] <windex> !ubuntuguide
[06:11] <ubotu> well, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[06:11] <windex> :)
[06:11] <MrMo> bo, hmmm System->Administraion->Printers
[06:11] <thoreauputic> Goodspeed: tar xjvf <file.tar.bz2>
[06:11] <bo> yes
[06:11] <mjr> cefx, there is, though I've ran into some generic usb2 recognition and use problems
[06:11] <[Spooky] > snowblink: getting this when doing sudo "sudo: unable to lookup linux via gethostbyname()"
[06:11] <snowblink> [Spooky] , sudo vi /etc/hosts
[06:11] <MrMo> bo, did you read ubuntuguide.org?
[06:12] <derBuddist> hi @ all
[06:12] <snowblink> [Spooky] , make sure your hostname is the same as in /etc/hostname
[06:12] <ma3x> MrMo, I am opening it now
[06:12] <MrMo> bo, I'm having a hard time remembering how to setup the samba server ... :/
[06:12] <derBuddist> can somebody help me???????
[06:12] <ma3x> but GNOMEbaker is not included in synaptic?
[06:12] <MrMo> derBuddist, ganz schn aggressiv fr so einen nick!
[06:12] <bo> MrMo yes couldn't quite find anything useful
[06:12] <derBuddist> tschuldigung
[06:12] <skalpel> how do i change my gnome splach screen?
[06:12] <derBuddist> spricht hier jemand deutsch ??
[06:12] <MrMo> ma3x, weird I got it from synaptic.
[06:12] <zAo^> Error: your X configuration has been altered.
[06:12] <zAo^> >> Who can help me?
[06:13] <MrMo> derBuddist, immernoch zu viele fragezeichen!
[06:13] <thoreauputic> ma3x: gnomebaker is in the universe repo
[06:13] <derBuddist> sorry
[06:13] <windex> skalpel, System -> Prefrences -> Login Screen Setup
[06:13] <thoreauputic> !repos
[06:13] <ubotu> somebody said repos was at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:13] <ma3x> MrMo, maybe your sources.list is different than mine
[06:13] <windex> doh!
[06:13] <bo> get so far as to trying to configure samba (smb.conf)
[06:13] <windex> skalpel, not prefrences, 'administration.
[06:13] <ma3x> thoreauputic, but the universe repo is NOT supported
[06:13] <derBuddist> spricht hier jemand deutsch?
[06:13] <cefx> mjr, where will I find the device name of my hard drive? :/
[06:13] <Belutz> nerolinux is much way better than gnomebaker :D
[06:14] <thoreauputic> ma3x: it is comunity supported ( by the MOTU team)
[06:14] <vontrapp> yesterday, in an upgrade, firefox 1.0.6 installed, now, middlemouse.contentLoadURL does not work
[06:14] <MrMo> ma3x, ohhh... universie is NOT supported? so what? most people use even *different* sources than the usual ubuntu ones...
[06:14] <vontrapp> i have it set to true
[06:14] <[Spooky] > snowblink: done do i need to reboot ?
[06:14] <MrMo> Belutz, nerolinux is for turds
[06:14] <snowblink> [Spooky] , probably best to
[06:14] <vontrapp> i read in the forums a discussion about disabling this by default, did something break in the process?
[06:14] <thoreauputic> ma3x: universe is fine - just add it
[06:14] <vontrapp> i'm certainly fine with it disabled by default, but i want it to work when i enable it
[06:15] <derBuddist> how can I copy a file from cd-rom to the direction "home" ?
[06:15] <sexcopter8000m> hi, what programme can i use to string together some jpegs into a video/movie clip?
[06:15] <J_P> thoreauputic: hello, have equal problem as in useradd. I do " adduser --ingroup admin test". But in /et/group user "test" not are in "admin:x:109:". Understand ?
[06:15] <ma3x> should I uncomment these two? # deb http://ch.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[06:15] <ma3x> # deb-src http://ch.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[06:15] <vontrapp> MrMo: you mean like me using Debian Unstable sources with ubuntu?
[06:15] <MrMo> derBuddist, open CD, *rightclick* *select* *copy* .... open *home* *rightclick* *past*
[06:15] <thoreauputic> derBuddist: cp /media/cdrom/path/to/file /home/yourusername
[06:16] <derBuddist> i have only the bracket!
[06:16] <MrMo> vontrapp, well yea for example something like that... or adding in someone *private* ubuntu sources ;)
[06:16] <ma3x> and then apt-get update; apt-get upgrade?
[06:16] <thoreauputic> J_P: *sigh* are you trying to give a user sudo privileges? If so read man visudo
[06:17] <J_P> thoreauputic: not not... is any group...
[06:17] <cefx> Yo.
[06:17] <cefx> dpkg -l w32codecs doesn't find w32codecs and I can't play this .avi file.
[06:17] <J_P> thoreauputic: add for example for video roup not work too..
[06:17] <thoreauputic> J_P: adduser is trivially simple to use: sudo adduser <nameof user> <groupyou want user in>
[06:17] <J_P> thoreauputic: please, test you that.. and you will be see user not are add in /etc/group..
[06:17] <MrMo> ma3x, update should be sufficient
[06:18] <ma3x> MrMo, ok
[06:18] <thoreauputic> J_P: I don't need to test it: I know how to use the command : you need to read the man page it seems
[06:18] <sexcopter8000m> anyone? a programme for making video clips?
[06:19] <thoreauputic> J_P: as I said , it is trivially easy to use
[06:19] <J_P> thoreauputic ahh is diferent to debian...
[06:19] <J_P> thoreauputic: is need first crewate user..
[06:19] <thoreauputic> J_P: no it isn't
[06:19] <skalpel> is there any way to add a splash image to my bootup, like the linux penguin in slackware, for ubuntu?
[06:19] <J_P> and after add it to group thoreauputic
[06:19] <cefx> Hmmmm.
[06:19] <J_P> thoreauputic: right ?
[06:19] <cefx> Anyone know what codecs I need to play most movies?
[06:19] <ma3x> what's the easiest way to backup my ubuntu?
[06:19] <derBuddist> how can I see the files on my cdrom?
[06:19] <cefx> I can't find w32codecs.
[06:19] <ma3x> cefx, from marillat site
[06:19] <vontrapp> derBuddist: mount /cdrom
[06:20] <derBuddist> thx
[06:20] <snowblink> J_P, man usermod
[06:20] <vontrapp> it's supposed to be automatic, but i've seen a few cases where it needs to be mounted manually
[06:20] <punkass> anyone know why networking would just stop working..no updates, just rebooted and poof no wireless or ethernet, DCHP just times out
[06:20] <thoreauputic> ma3x: no - marillat is out of sync with hoary now: use hoary-extras
[06:20] <J_P> snowblink: ok
[06:21] <cefx> Anyone know where I will see my USB HDD ? I can't grep dmesg for /dev/sda...there's nothing about it in there.
[06:21] <cefx> nor /var/log/messages
[06:22] <wdh> cefx, /var/log/kern.log maybe?
[06:22] <ma3x> how do I backup ubuntu on DVD?
[06:22] <punkass> i know the router works fine as there is a knoppix and XP machine connected to it fine
[06:22] <bur[n] er> cefx: no desktpo icon?
[06:22] <skalpel> is there any way to add a splash image to my bootup, like the linux penguin in slackware, for ubuntu?
[06:22] <J_P> snowblink: but is possible for example i add one user and include it ine users group for example using adduser/useradd ?
[06:22] <bur[n] er> skalpel: look into "bootsplash"
[06:22] <ma3x> skalpel, just turn on the pc and act like a penguin!
[06:22] <bur[n] er> skalpel: not for the faint of heart
[06:22] <[Spooky] > hm still having trouble with hostname :/
[06:23] <bur[n] er> skalpel: or wait for Breezy ;) i hear it should be there
[06:23] <skalpel> i am not faint of heart but i am new to linux, what do you think?
[06:23] <derBuddist> how can I extracte the files from a *.tgz-paket ?
[06:23] <Chaotic_Shield> bah.
[06:23] <wdh> derBuddist, tar xvzf *.tgz
[06:23] <derBuddist> thx
[06:23] <Chaotic_Shield> cdrom drive not mounting.
[06:23] <Chaotic_Shield> That's stupid.
[06:23] <snowblink> [Spooky] , your hostname in /etc/hostname is the same as the one on your localhost line?
[06:24] <ma3x> Howto Backup Ubuntu?
[06:24] <[Spooky] > snowblink: edited the hostname file and hosts and used the hostname to set it and its still complaining..
[06:24] <[Spooky] > snowblink: how do i see the localhost ?
[06:24] <drcodedd2> Hi all
[06:24] <snowblink> J_P, yes you can. man adduser
[06:25] <drcodedd2> any one mybe know good realtime sync folder software that also work in windows?
[06:25] <snowblink> [Spooky] , your /etc/hosts file should have 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost yourhostname
[06:25] <derBuddist> hi
[06:26] <Chaotic_Shield> BAH.
[06:26] <thoreauputic> J_P: the changes you make will only show up on re-logging in
[06:26] <Chaotic_Shield> Why won't you mount you STUPID CDROM DRIVE.
[06:26] <catch> Hi all, I am currently running hoary, but need the newer version of subversion from breezy, can anyone point me in the right direction on how to do this?
[06:26] <Chaotic_Shield> this is pissing me off.
[06:26] <[Spooky] > snowblink: done now reboot and see brb
[06:26] <J_P> snowblink: i try using this : root@neo:~ # adduser --ingroup users test3. If i do : root@neo:~ # id test3 show : "uid=1005(test3) gid=100(users) groups=100(users)". But look this :
[06:26] <J_P> root@neo:~ # grep -i users /etc/group
[06:26] <J_P> users:x:100:
[06:27] <J_P> thoreauputic: and snowblink understand now ?
[06:27] <cefx> ubuntu sucks.
[06:27] <cefx> I can't watch my movies
[06:27] <cefx> I can't mount my hard drive
[06:27] <cefx> whee
[06:27] <Chaotic_Shield> O_O
[06:27] <Chaotic_Shield> tbh, user error.
[06:27] <Chaotic_Shield> What FS is your hard drive?
[06:27] <cefx> NTFS
[06:27] <cefx> It's not user error.
[06:27] <cefx> It's not /dev/sda1.
[06:27] <Chaotic_Shield> Yes it is.
[06:27] <derBuddist> How can I create a formatters ?
[06:28] <cefx> It's not in dmesg.
[06:28] <cefx> It's not in /var/log/messages.
[06:28] <Chaotic_Shield> fdisk -l
[06:28] <Chaotic_Shield> see what comes up.
[06:28] <cefx> it's not listed.
[06:28] <cefx> it's not mounted.
[06:28] <Goodspeed> how do i rename something in terminal
[06:28] <Goodspeed> sudo
[06:28] <Chaotic_Shield> It's not hooked up properly.
[06:28] <bigbootay> it's called a meatware issue.
[06:28] <cefx> yes, it is
[06:28] <skalpel> how do i change my splash screen in gnome?
[06:28] <J_P> snowblink: see ?
[06:28] <Chaotic_Shield> Even unmounted partitions will show up.
[06:28] <thoreauputic> Goodspeed: mv oldname newname
[06:28] <cefx> I see.
[06:29] <cefx> Well, let me reboot and use the FireWire cable or a different usb port.
[06:29] <cefx> brb
[06:29] <Chaotic_Shield> anyways.
[06:29] <catch> Hi all, I am currently running hoary, but need the newer version of subversion from breezy, can anyone point me in the right direction on how to do this?
[06:29] <Chaotic_Shield> Why won't you mount stupid cdrom drive?
[06:29] <J_P> thoreauputic: see that sentence above ?
[06:30] <strykewulf> hey guys im having a problem here trying to dl and install thunderbird
[06:30] <strykewulf> sudo apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird
[06:30] <strykewulf> Reading package lists... Done
[06:30] <strykewulf> Building dependency tree... Done
[06:30] <strykewulf> You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
[06:30] <strykewulf> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[06:30] <strykewulf> mozilla-firefox-gnome-support: Depends: firefox-gnome-support but it is not going to be installed
[06:30] <strykewulf> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[06:30] <[Spooky] > snowblink: worked like a charm, thanks for the help :)
[06:30] <catch> strykewulf there is a reason why pastebin exists
[06:30] <Chaotic_Shield> strykewulf, have you tried running apt-get -f install?
[06:30] <strykewulf> i tried
[06:30] <skalpel> can i change my console screen font?
[06:30] <strykewulf> lemme try again
[06:30] <Chaotic_Shield> and honestly, paste in the pastebin.
[06:31] <snowblink> [Spooky] , np
[06:31] <bluefoxicy> ok
[06:31] <Chaotic_Shield> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl <--- paste there.
[06:31] <dimitris> skalpel. edit your console profile
[06:31] <snowblink> J_P, hmmmm
[06:31] <bluefoxicy> how long before the firefox vulns are fixed?
[06:31] <Thewarmachine> SCO Group Inc. OpenServer 6: see how sco rips off the plastik theme!!
[06:31] <Thewarmachine> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,,1841361,00.asp
[06:31] <skalpel> dimitris: how do i do that?
[06:31] <J_P> snowblink: yes :-) now you see... I am happy !!
[06:32] <Chaotic_Shield> BAH.
[06:32] <strykewulf> i tired the apt-get -f installand it gave me the same error
[06:32] <strykewulf> i also tried getting winrar and it gave me the same thing
[06:32] <Chaotic_Shield> strykewulf, try using Synpatic to install your packages from now on.
[06:32] <strykewulf> how do i do that
[06:32] <Chaotic_Shield> and winrar is a windows program, hence WINrar
[06:32] <strykewulf> ok, rar archiver
[06:32] <J_P> snowblink: but if after i do this : "adduser test3 users" user test3 is add in /etc/group.
[06:32] <snowblink> J_P, can you try against a new group?
[06:32] <Chaotic_Shield> sudo /usr/sbin/synaptic
[06:33] <snowblink> J_P, ah
[06:33] <Chaotic_Shield> I think that's the binary anyways.
[06:33] <J_P> snowblink: yes... and have euqal problem
[06:33] <J_P> snowblink: i try add another diferente group... too
[06:33] <snowblink> J_P, does your test3 already exist?
[06:33] <J_P> and really not work...
[06:33] <J_P> snowblink: for "adduser test3 users" yes
[06:33] <Chaotic_Shield> Gone
[06:33] <J_P> snowblink: for me do "adduser test3 users" i need test3 calready created
[06:34] <J_P> snowblink: can you test in your machine ?
[06:34] <thoreauputic> J_P: as I told you about half an hour ago, logout and login to see your changes take effect
[06:34] <J_P> snowblink: you will be see in /etc/group that user you add not are in /etc/group, but one id "user" show correct group.
[06:34] <J_P> thoreauputic: yes, i try.. not work..
[06:34] <J_P> thoreauputic: i reboot too
[06:35] <J_P> thoreauputic: i try in 4 direrentes ubuntu machine
[06:35] <thoreauputic> J_P: then your synatax is wrong
[06:35] <J_P> thoreauputic: please, then tell me correct syntax.
[06:35] <Lizardking> hello everyone, i have a problem with apt, every time i try to remove something i get a msg similar to this: Stopping ipppd... ./MAKEDEV: don't know how to make device "isdn"
[06:35] <snowblink> J_P, thoreauputic , have to run. Sorry can't help more.
[06:35] <thoreauputic> J_P: adduser <username> <group> it really is that simple
[06:35] <skalpel> how do i change my console screen font?
[06:36] <Lizardking> and then the lines:
[06:36] <Lizardking> dpkg: error processing ipppd (--remove):
[06:36] <Lizardking> subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
[06:36] <Lizardking> Errors were encountered while processing:
[06:36] <thoreauputic> J_P: e.g. adduser peter users
[06:36] <Lizardking> is there a way to correct that
[06:36] <J_P> thoreauputic: but <username> need are already created on system ?
[06:36] <thoreauputic> J_P: of course!
[06:36] <skalpel> can someone tell me how to change my console font?
[06:36] <J_P> thoreauputic: i need without peter created..
[06:36] <zAo^> which groups do I need to start gdm, xfce4 and beep-media-player?
[06:37] <bur[n] er> anyone using Upower? and maybe have a screenshot?
[06:37] <bur[n] er> zAo^: audio
[06:37] <cefx> Hi. So I see that the drive is seen in the messages.
[06:37] <J_P> thoreauputic: how in "useradd andrea -c "Andrea Viana da Silva" -s /bin/false (ou bash) -g csp -G desenvolvimento -d /home/andrea -m"
[06:37] <thoreauputic> J_P: man useradd
[06:37] <zAo^> bur[n] er, the new gnome-power-mgt?
[06:37] <zAo^> thanks bur[n] er
[06:37] <J_P> thoreauputic: that aboce comamdn work in debian, in ubuntu not
[06:37] <cefx> Aug 2 13:31:52 localhost kernel: Attached scsi disk sda at scsi5, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
[06:37] <cefx> whee
[06:37] <cefx> !!!
[06:37] <ubotu> from memory, ! is what u add before a sentence to talk to me
[06:38] <bur[n] er> zAo^: nope... upower is like bootsplash
[06:38] <cefx> um wtf?
[06:38] <globule> hi !
[06:38] <bur[n] er> just read about it on the wiki
[06:38] <cefx> mount point does not exist?
[06:38] <zAo^> bur[n] er, srry.
[06:38] <J_P> thoreauputic: or simply : "adduser --ingroup users test" not work. user test are in group users(looking with "id test"). bnut not are in /etc/group. Understand.
[06:39] <bur[n] er> zAo^: if you're interested... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UPower :)
[06:40] <raDeon> where can i get cool ubuntu wallpaper
[06:40] <cefx> FUCK
[06:40] <PlanarPlatypus> raDeon, http://www.gnome-look.org
[06:41] <raDeon> danke
[06:41] <cefx> PlanarPlatypus, you have any idea why i can't see my external usb hard drive?
[06:41] <cefx> I just switched usb ports.
[06:41] <Kev0r> anybody here who knows how to tweak automatic USB-stick mounting with Hotplug?
[06:41] <zAo^> J_P, I know what you did wrong
[06:42] <zAo^> J_P, the username must be at the END of the command
[06:42] <PlanarPlatypus> cefx, yoou mean it was in one port and you could see it and then you put it in another port and it didn't come back?
[06:42] <Kev0r> Seveas: Do you have a clue on my problem? been stuggling with it for so long... :(
[06:42] <cefx> no
[06:42] <cefx> haven't been able to see it
[06:42] <cefx> Aug 2 13:31:14 localhost kernel: sda : READ CAPACITY failed.
[06:42] <cefx> Aug 2 13:31:14 localhost kernel: sda : status=0, message=00, host=0, driver=04
[06:42] <cefx> Aug 2 13:31:14 localhost kernel: sda : sense not available.
[06:43] <J_P> zAo^: ok, i go try
[06:43] <J_P> zAo^: hey, but are END of command : "adduser --ingroup users test"
[06:43] <raDeon> what is an image view that can open up multiple images at once?
[06:43] <J_P> zAo^: see ?
[06:44] <strykewulf> what does the bar next to where u type stuff in in xchat mean?
[06:44] <zAo^> J_P, usermod -g audio -d /home/rotsblok -m rotsblok worked here
[06:44] <skalpel> where do i go to edit my grub config?
[06:44] <strykewulf> what is grub?
[06:44] <skalpel> a bootloader
[06:44] <skalpel> used by ubuntu
[06:44] <strykewulf> oh
[06:45] <Spudchat> i think its used durin boot up
[06:45] <skalpel> it is.
[06:45] <J_P> zAo^: but you already have "rotsblok" created right ?
[06:45] <skalpel> i am trying to change my console font
[06:45] <mjr> skalpel, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:45] <Spudchat> nice im new to linux but tryin to learn :)
[06:45] <skalpel> can anyone help me?
[06:45] <bur[n] er> skalpel: check the wiki :P
[06:45] <PlanarPlatypus> cefx, that looks like your drive is being odd. I assume you have tried the usual unplug it and then plug it back in
[06:45] <bur[n] er> skalpel: it's there
[06:45] <strykewulf> im new to linux
[06:45] <neclutz> hi guys
[06:45] <skalpel> spudchat: this is the best place to be then
[06:45] <_linuxAS_> hi
[06:45] <Spudchat> :)
[06:45] <skalpel> bur[n] er: ok
[06:45] <neclutz> just testing my bitchx
[06:45] <newubuntu> hey i have ubuntu 5.04 how can i voice chat wit it with yahoo
[06:45] <skalpel> !wiki
[06:45] <cefx> Yeah. Will it detect hotplugging USB?
[06:45] <cefx> I hope I didn't fry it :(((
[06:45] <PlanarPlatypus> cefx, it should
[06:46] <cefx> ok, i'll try -another- port ;D
[06:46] <skalpel> bur[n] er: wiki.ubuntuguide.com right?
[06:46] <strykewulf> hey guys can you try to go to the website im hosting. http://69.175.153.27/
[06:46] <PlanarPlatypus> heh
[06:46] <zAo^> J_P, yes
[06:46] <bur[n] er> skalpel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootText
[06:46] <J_P> zAo^: question is : how create and add that user for "users" group for example in unic command,... ?
[06:46] <boguh> why is there no fvwm-themes package?
[06:46] <bur[n] er> skalpel: wiki is wiki.ubuntu.com
[06:47] <zAo^> J_P, put the username at the end at the useradd command
[06:47] <rob_p> strykewulf: No! Nothing comes up!
[06:47] <newubuntu> I HAVE UBUNTU 5.04 AND I HAVE YAHOO MESSENGER HOW CAN I GET VOICE CHAT OUT OF IT
[06:47] <skalpel> bur[n] er: if i change my boot font will it continue to use that fontsize in the console? because i have already changed my boot font
[06:47] <gigaclon> newubuntu, you can start by stop shouting
[06:47] <zAo^> what group do I need to run the xterm?
[06:47] <J_P> zAo^: look, username are in the END. "adduser --ingroup users test"
[06:47] <newubuntu> i wasnt shouting
[06:48] <newubuntu> i was making sure people can see it
[06:48] <gigaclon> CAPS = shouting
[06:48] <newubuntu> caps is not shouting
[06:48] <newubuntu> yelling is shouting
[06:48] <strykewulf> nice one newubuntu
[06:48] <strykewulf> touche
[06:48] <Spudchat> maybe im a bit deaf but im not blind
[06:48] <X-Rulez> hello
[06:48] <J_P> zAo^: in debian work this "adduser --ingroup users test" or "useradd test-g users". But not in ubuntu. I ubuntu in /etc/passwd show correct group number, but not show user "test" in /etc/group understand ?
[06:49] <gigaclon> well since the net is a visual not a auditory medium
[06:49] <ColonelKernel> how can I get mozilla to reload a page every 5 seconds?
[06:49] <strykewulf> debian shebian
[06:49] <ColonelKernel> w/o doing it manually
[06:49] <newubuntu> I HAVE UBUNTU 5.04 AND I HAVE YAHOO MESSENGER HOW CAN I GET VOICE CHAT OUT OF IT
[06:49] <X-Rulez> i want to play mp3 on my pc but it doesn't works can someone help me ????
[06:49] <gigaclon> caps is the equivalent of shouthing
[06:49] <strykewulf> apt-get install totem, x-rulez?
[06:49] <tikka> X-Rulez, beep media player should work i think
[06:49] <ColonelKernel> newubuntu, turn off your capslock - and you cant.
[06:49] <newubuntu> my gosh
[06:49] <tikka> totum comes with ubuntu out of the box and it sucks
[06:49] <ColonelKernel> currently theres no yahoo voice chat for linux - or yahoo video
[06:49] <bur[n] er> X-Rulez: they are all wrong, you need some special packages to get an mp3 decoder
[06:50] <bur[n] er> X-Rulez: go to the ubuntuguide.com and read about it
[06:50] <bur[n] er> totem rules :)
[06:50] <newubuntu> hey gig you wanna see what shouting is
[06:50] <newubuntu> lol
[06:50] <X-Rulez> an where can i get this ?
[06:50] <tikka> burner lol with the right decoders sure ;p
[06:50] <J_P> please, if anyone know how "adduser --ingroup users test" or "useradd test -g users" add user "test" in /etc/group as in debian tell me. Thenk you!
[06:50] <raDeon> newubuntu, you shape up
[06:50] <raDeon> you are a guest in this channel
[06:50] <tikka> but im a lamer and mine sucks :D
[06:50] <raDeon> with people trying to help you
[06:50] <X-Rulez> noo with totem it doesn't work
[06:50] <djp> X-Rulez: under totem-gstreamer (default player) you need the gstreamer0.8-mad codec
[06:50] <newubuntu> last time i checked i was in shape
[06:50] <bur[n] er> X-Rulez: get the gstreamer-mad package :P
[06:50] <raDeon> shape up
[06:50] <newubuntu> but this ubuntu wit installing software can be a pain in the ass
[06:50] <X-Rulez> where can i get this ?
[06:50] <bur[n] er> X-Rulez: it's in universe
[06:51] <bur[n] er> X-Rulez: and go to the ubuntuguide.com :P
[06:51] <raDeon> newubuntu, only if you're an idiot
[06:51] <bur[n] er> same questions everyday ;)
[06:51] <bur[n] er> www.ubuntuguide.org <--real link... not .com
[06:51] <X-Rulez> ok
[06:51] <bur[n] er> my bad
[06:51] <skalpel> bur[n] er: if i change my boot font will it continue to use that fontsize in the console? because i have already changed my boot font
[06:52] <newubuntu> no only people like you that is an ignorant fuck
[06:52] <skalpel> newubuntu: go, and never blight my channel again
[06:52] <bur[n] er> X-Rulez: better link still: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:52] <newubuntu> ur channel you dont own this
[06:52] <bur[n] er> skalpel: no idea, i haven't done it
[06:52] <newubuntu> lol
[06:52] <newubuntu> my gosh
[06:52] <cefx> It found it using firewire!!
[06:52] <cefx> yayyyy!
[06:52] <newubuntu> the only thing you own is a box of cracks
[06:52] <newubuntu> crackers
[06:53] <cefx> Where is w32codecs at?
[06:53] <icewt> backports
[06:53] <strykewulf> cefx check www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:53] <cefx> i did dpkg -l and it didnt get it
[06:53] <raDeon> i think they should only send the ubuntu cds to people with IQ above 60
[06:53] <cefx> oh, thanks
[06:53] <newubuntu> kids these days
[06:53] <Spudchat> lol
[06:53] <newubuntu> they never learn
[06:53] <strykewulf> apt-get install w32codecs
[06:53] <deprave> cefx
[06:53] <D1> its strange
[06:53] <newubuntu> so sad
[06:53] <strykewulf> apt-get install w32codecs
[06:53] <Chaotic_Shield> raDeon, I agree. You should have to pass an IQ test.
[06:53] <newubuntu> so weird
[06:54] <nickrud> newubuntu, we try to maintain this attitude here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[06:54] <cefx> deprave
[06:54] <D1> the official backports isn't as updated as the mirrors are.
[06:54] <D1> but good thing they're official now.
[06:54] <newubuntu> so strange
[06:54] <X-Rulez> this is to much to read for me an i didn't understand everything i'm from germany ^^
[06:54] <tikka> X-Rulez, try windows.
[06:54] <skalpel> what command would i use if i wante dto get some info on an ip?
[06:54] <Chaotic_Shield> X-Rulez, you tried joining #ubuntu-de?
[06:54] <newubuntu> ya and it says about ignorant people like radeon
[06:54] <cefx> Couldn't find packages w32codecs...going to the guide..brb
[06:54] <newubuntu> did you read about that
[06:55] <Chaotic_Shield> X-Rulez, type /join #ubuntu-de for help in German
[06:55] <sagitta> hi, can anyone tell me if and how I can get num lock on by default (in hoary)?
[06:55] <flow> hi
[06:55] <Chaotic_Shield> skalpel, whois <ip>
[06:55] <X-Rulez> ok
[06:55] <X-Rulez> cu
[06:55] <Spudchat> did anyone install cedega like the wiki says and install battelfield2 sucessfully?
[06:55] <tikka> Sorry to be a pain but I am looking for information to understand .dsc packages
[06:55] <tikka> any suggestions ?
[06:55] <Chaotic_Shield> tikka, google perchance?
[06:55] <tikka> Spudchat, i know a guy who might have
[06:55] <skalpel> chaotic_shield: thank you
[06:55] <flow> im having a problem with evince.... it cant view certain pdf files
[06:55] <floo> Is there any way i can tell VLV to look in /usr/local/lib to find libdvdcss?
[06:55] <arpan> hi, i was trying to install Firefox 1.0.6 on Ubuntu (using Synaptic), but it failed, and now firefox aint starting up!
[06:55] <flow> im using ver 0.32
[06:55] <tikka> Chaotic_Shield, i was hoping for keywords you shit bag
[06:55] <arpan> earlier atleast 1.0.2 was working
[06:56] <arpan> what shud I do to get it going again?
[06:56] <Spudchat> hmm i get to the install screen then it freezes
[06:56] <Chaotic_Shield> Hey, watch your mouth. I'm just making a suggestion.
[06:56] <wrykyn> I just installed eric3 with apt-get. When I try to use it I get the following errors:Traceback (most recent call last):
[06:56] <wrykyn> File "/usr/lib/site-python/eric3/eric3.py", line 147, in ?
[06:56] <wrykyn> main()
[06:56] <icewt> arpan, are you using backports?
[06:56] <D1> how is gstreamer compared to xine? last I tried it couldn't play proprietary formats.
[06:56] <arpan> u mean the apt repo?
[06:56] <tikka> Chaotic_Shield, I have already tried and failed.. hence bugging you guys :D
[06:57] <wrykyn> Any ideas how I can fix this?
[06:57] <arpan> u mean the apt repo? icewt
[06:57] <PlanarPlatypus> D1, it kinda works, some files give you sound but no video though
[06:57] <arpan> yeah I am using them
[06:57] <cefx> So btw
[06:57] <cefx> the guide SUCKS. :)
[06:57] <Chaotic_Shield> well, that's fine then, but shit bag isn't
[06:57] <D1> oh, hmm.
[06:57] <cefx> It has nothing about installing codecs.
[06:57] <D1> oh well, as long as xine is around, all works well for me.
[06:57] <djp> D1: it can playback most formats. as far as i know all formats i have tried to use with it work
[06:57] <Spudchat> it does you must be in the wrong spot
[06:57] <D1> good thing its progressing.
[06:57] <djp> PlanarPlatypus: which ones?
[06:57] <cefx> djp: What do I need to play most formats?
[06:58] <Spudchat> i found divx for linux on there
[06:58] <cefx> I'm in the amd64 section...
[06:58] <nJess> is there a linux equivilant to quickbooks?
[06:58] <cefx> is there no avi playback in amd64? :(
[06:58] <D1> cefx,
[06:58] <D1> this might help
[06:58] <D1> http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[06:58] <Spudchat> divx
[06:58] <PlanarPlatypus> djp, all the ones which did it to me are .avi but I think it is something special about he encoding which does it
[06:58] <Chaotic_Shield> tikka, I have nfi where to find info about .dsc
[06:58] <D1> if you're using gstreamer I think.
[06:58] <nickrud> nJess, I use gnucash for that
[06:58] <djp> cefx: you need to install gstreamer0.8-plugins (meta package) and gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
[06:58] <Chaotic_Shield> but I want to freakin MOUNT MY CDROM DRIVE.
[06:58] <nJess> nickrud, is the interface similar?
[06:58] <Spudchat> totem plays avis just fine on my friends 64bit sys
[06:59] <Chaotic_Shield> that's it.
[06:59] <Chaotic_Shield> restart2win.
[06:59] <floo> c'mon guys, i need help getting vlc to find libdvdcss in usr/local/lib
[06:59] <djp> PlanarPlatypus: all avi's i have thrown at totem-gstreamer work. like you say though, could be something to do with the avi's encoding...
[06:59] <cefx> djpg: I don't think they have an ffmpeg for amd64 ;p
[07:00] <djp> cefx: oh, i am not sure about that. maybe someone else can advise you
[07:00] <mjr> cefx, we do
[07:00] <_icebreaker_> how can i change the standard os in grub?
[07:00] <cefx> mjr: oh? why can't i find the ffmpeg or w32codecs packages?
[07:01] <bur[n] er> cefx: universe
[07:01] <cefx> ?
[07:01] <remmus> whenever i started, i got pop up warning "Missing command to run" how to fix it?
[07:02] <izmaelis> _icebreaker_, you mean like which os is loading by default after some time or what?
[07:02] <bur[n] er> oh, nm, 64, i have no idea
[07:02] <remmus> would anybody please help me
[07:02] <remmus> whenever i started, i got pop up warning "Missing command to run" how to fix it?
[07:03] <nubbe> cefx, I thought w32codecs was in backports
[07:03] <Chaotic_Shield> sigh
[07:03] <Chaotic_Shield> it mounts when I restart.
[07:03] <Chaotic_Shield> It no like bay devices.
[07:03] <D1> nubbe, it is.
[07:03] <D1> you're not seeing it?
[07:04] <cefx> nubbe: not for amd64.
[07:04] <Zornst> Is there anyone around who could help me with a software RAID/LVM problem?
[07:04] <D1> oh.
[07:04] <nubbe> cefx, oki, my bad
[07:04] <PlanarPlatypus> Zornst, depends what it is
[07:04] <remmus> whenever i started, i got pop up warning "Missing command to run"
[07:04] <remmus> how to fix this
[07:04] <cefx> fack
[07:05] <Ave> is there a way to get xorg 7.0rc0 into hoary?
[07:05] <nubbe> cefx Have u tried marillat? No idea if he got stuff that works tho
[07:05] <Zornst> well, PlanarPlatypus, when I boot I get a message that one of my raid arrays isn't clean, and that its starting background reconstruction
[07:05] <Zornst> I get a few other messages, and then it says its stopping with one task remaining
[07:05] <Chaotic_Shield> XMMS plays mp3's, yes?
[07:05] <_icebreaker__> izmaelis, yes exactly
[07:06] <zever> Chaotic_Shield, yes
[07:06] <izmaelis> _icebreaker__, so you must edit your grub.conf
[07:06] <ompaul> !restricted formats
[07:06] <ubotu> methinks restricted formats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[07:06] <Chaotic_Shield> grub.conf2win.
[07:06] <Ave> Zornst: what does it say for: cat /proc/mdstat
[07:06] <ompaul> Chaotic_Shield, that last url from ubotu was for you :)
[07:06] <_icebreaker__> izmaelis, where is it located /etc/ ?
[07:07] <Ave> Zornst: or mdadm array query commands
[07:07] <bo> need help on printing .. windows box through my linux box
[07:07] <Zornst> I can't can't cat anything. I don't get a shell, or even close to a getting a shell
[07:07] <Ave> ah hmm, well cant you boot in degraded mode
[07:07] <raDeon> bo, good luck with all that
[07:07] <skalpel> hello, i have made a mistake in my /lib/lsb/init-functions file and now i need to correct it, but ubuntu will only boot into a read-only filesystem, how do i fix this?
[07:08] <Zornst> what would I do to boot in degraded mode?
[07:08] <Ave> Zornst: are you having raid1?
[07:08] <izmaelis> _icebreaker__, sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:09] <skalpel> how do i mount my ubuntu install from a ubuntu live cd?
[07:09] <Zornst> yes, raid 1
[07:09] <Ave> Zornst: boot from rescue media and remove faulty drive from array(s) with mdadm
[07:09] <Ave> or take out the drive entirely, physically
[07:09] <Ave> but it has to be the drive thats marked dirty
[07:09] <Zornst> ok, let me try booting from a CD
[07:10] <skalpel> how do i mount my ubuntu install from a ubuntu live cd?
[07:11] <cefx> let's see how fast ubuntu is at loading stuff :P
[07:11] <_icebreaker__> izmaelis, can'T fins how to setup the default
[07:11] <cefx> music files
[07:11] <cefx> oh wtf they cant handle .mp3 files?
[07:11] <rob_p> skalpel: What were you doing messing with /lib/lsb/init-functions? ...just curious is all!
[07:12] <Martin> My gam_server process from gamin is always around 90% CPU. Anybody has an idea?
[07:12] <skalpel> rob_p: i was changing my but font and i made a typo
[07:12] <skalpel> boot font
[07:12] <rob_p> skalpel: Can't you change it back?
[07:12] <dylan_> Does Totem play QuickTime files?
[07:12] <izmaelis> _icebreaker__, look for a line: default 0
[07:12] <skalpel> rob_p: only after i mount the install partition from thsi live cd, which i do not know how to do
[07:12] <skalpel> =)
[07:13] <piksi> ok so it seems i'm one of those plenty people who have s-ata drive with ultra ata (ide?) emulation that doesn't let the installation of ubuntu continue (no cd detected) .....??
[07:13] <skalpel> rob_p: ubuntu is booting into a read-only filesystem and i cannot edit the file
[07:13] <mjr> dylan_, depends on what codec is used in them
[07:13] <dylan_> mjr: what codec should i use?
[07:13] <piksi> is this an addressed bug in the current ubuntu or something stranger?
[07:13] <rob_p> skalpel: Oh... read only... I see! Can you boot to single user mode?
[07:13] <mjr> dylan_, something that's supported?
[07:14] <skalpel_> what is that about?
[07:14] <mjr> mpeg-4 is all the rage today, and even though patented, is available from universe
[07:14] <dylan_> mjr: sure, whatever....what can i use to play quicktime files in linux? (not from the console)
[07:14] <mjr> (I don't think quicktime can do theora)
[07:14] <mjr> dylan_, I refer to my first answer
[07:14] <dylan_> mjr: what codec can i get?
[07:15] <Zornst> crud, after loading the logo screen the CD isn't doing anything more
[07:15] <mjr> dylan_, mpeg-4, and maybe some earlier sorenson codecs, I think
[07:15] <dylan_> thanks
[07:15] <skalpel_> can someone tell me how to mount my ubuntu partition from a live cd?
[07:15] <_icebreaker__> izmaelis, ok i changed that. what command must i run to change thinks?
[07:15] <Ave> Zornst: :-\ well I guess your only option then is to remove the faulty drive frmo the bus and try booting
[07:16] <izmaelis> you must save edited file and reboot pc to see changes
[07:16] <FinalFan> hi, does any one know if there's custom taxes in Portugal?
[07:17] <Zornst> actually, I got the CD to work, the prompt wasn't being displayed, but I was able to type rescue and hit enter
[07:17] <_icebreaker__> izmaelis, ok. just thougt it is like lilo...
[07:17] <ghost^|patrick> hi
[07:17] <ghost^|patrick> i am unable to boot to shell or gui
[07:17] <jadedstar> FinalFan: I'm sure there are, however I have no clue what they might be.
[07:17] <rob_p> skalpel_: If you can boot to single user mode, you should be able to fix the corrupt config file...
[07:17] <ghost^|patrick> at bootup time suddenly a password is needed
[07:18] <FinalFan> ok,tnx
[07:18] <jadedstar> FinalFan: No problem
[07:18] <Martin> my gam_server problem has been happening on two Dell laptop I have. I found other peoples having the same problem with google but no solutions.
[07:18] <skalpel_> rob_p: how do i do that?
[07:18] <rob_p> skalpel_: are you using grub or lilo?
[07:18] <ghost^|patrick> the problem i got is that neither my user ids nor any of my passwords are accepted
[07:18] <ghost^|patrick> even in the save mode i cant access anything
[07:18] <skalpel_> rob_p: i get an error about the filesystem not being there, something serious looking and then it boots me into a read only root login
[07:18] <ghost^|patrick> what should i do now?
[07:18] <skalpel_> rob_p: grub
[07:19] <ghost^|patrick> tty1
[07:19] <ghost^|patrick> is said there
[07:19] <FinalFan> What are the system requirements for Ubuntu? Is it heavy?
[07:19] <skalpel_> no.
[07:19] <mjr> FinalFan, not particularly
[07:20] <piksi> ok so it seems nobody is familiar with the intel 82801FBE and these fucked up s-ata module problems?
[07:20] <skalpel_> rob_p: should i try it in recovery mode?
[07:20] <piksi> :-(
[07:20] <Spudchat> id like to install vlc player what package should i get?
[07:20] <mjr> for the default gnome you do want some memory, preferrable at least 3 figures worth
[07:20] <ghost^|patrick> what can I do to reawake my ubuntu?
[07:20] <rob_p> skalpel_: at the grub prompt, select the image to boot but hit, "e" instead and then append a comma, a space, and then the word, "single"
[07:20] <zever> !find vlc
[07:20] <skalpel_> ok
[07:20] <skalpel_> i will
[07:20] <ghost^|patrick> the recovery mode fails at the same point as the standard kernel boot
[07:21] <Martin> I have gamin0.0.26-0ubuntu3 installed. I eared that the 0.1 version could help but it is not compatible wity hoary.
[07:21] <thoreauputic> !info vlc
[07:21] <ubotu> vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.1-1ubuntu7 (hoary), Packaged size: 4867 kB, Installed size: 11816 kB
[07:21] <rob_p> skalpel_: then enter... I think that will get you single user mode... hopefully :)
[07:21] <Spudchat> nice
[07:21] <Spudchat> thanks guys
[07:21] <andril> hello all*
[07:21] <flogiston> When i try to wine any program from my windows drive I en up with this error:Please use the registry key HKEY_CURRENT_CONFIG\Software\Fonts\LogPixels
[07:21] <flogiston> to set the screen resolution and remove the "Resolution" entry in the config file
[07:21] <flogiston> . What does it mean?
[07:22] <ghost^|patrick> what should i do
[07:22] <ghost^|patrick> which opportuinity have i now, since the linux cant boot up
[07:23] <ghost^|patrick> i think the cause of my problem is that i installed the ati driver from synaptic with reconfiguration of my x
[07:23] <levander> I've got a bunch of java development libraries I download to develop software against. I've got to get them out of my home directory for size of backup purposes. Where on the Linux file system are you supposed to put stuff like this?
[07:23] <Spudchat> found and installed :)
[07:23] <ghost^|patrick> 3hours it worked good, then i tried to view the ogl screeensaver
[07:23] <ghost^|patrick> a that moment my system frooze
[07:23] <Martin> levander: I do use /opt
[07:23] <ghost^|patrick> ein neither could reboot the x server nor make anything else
[07:23] <haffe> Hi, does anybody have a clue as to when glitz will be incorporated in ubuntu?
[07:23] <ghost^|patrick> this morning i tried to boot up then but nothing happened
[07:24] <levander> Yeah, Martin, that's not a bad idea. Might do that, any other suggestions?
[07:24] <ghost^|patrick> i only got the dump password request that asks me to log in as root
[07:24] <speel> any one try kde 3.4.2 yet?
[07:24] <Nomad_1> What's the best way to remove a linux installation and grub? (I know reformatting the harddrive that linux is installed on will do the first part, but what about grub which for me is on the MBR of another HD?)
[07:25] <levander> Martin, yeah, think I'm just gonna use /opt, that's better than the things I was thinking. Thanks.
[07:25] <julietta^^^> hi there, which command would hash a string say: sha1sum << echo mypassword
[07:25] <julietta^^^> thanks a lot
[07:25] <Martin> levander: pleasure. I hope I'll find something about my gamin problem ;)
[07:26] <ghost^|patrick> nobody there who has an idea what i should try next`?
[07:26] <Ave> Nomad_1: install another bootloader OR zero the first 512 bytes of the hd, note that this will leave you with unbootable syste
[07:26] <mjr> Nomad_1, if it's not the boot HD, the MBR part of grub doesn't really do any harm; if it is, then just install a new boot sector for whatever you want booting there
[07:27] <thoreauputic> ghost^|patrick: just an idea - if you have a live CD boot it up, open the root terminal, mount the partitions of your Ubuntu, then chroot to the mount point and issue "telinit 1" to get single user mode: from there you may be able to boot by hitting ctrl-d
[07:27] <Harold> Morning/Afternoon/Night/Trauma everyone.
[07:28] <yccheok> hi, i had seen some desktop themese which is transparent. may i noe how i can do so? can anyone point me out the resource?
[07:28] <thoreauputic> ghost^|patrick: if this works I think you would at least have a root prompt in runlevel 1 to try to rescue from
[07:28] <ghost^|patrick> that crtl-d appears in the recovery mode
[07:28] <thoreauputic> ghost^|patrick: correct
[07:29] <ghost^|patrick> but after that i get the same password request as in the normal boot up
[07:29] <thoreauputic> ghost^|patrick: do you first get a # prompt ?
[07:29] <thoreauputic> ghost^|patrick: if so, you have root already
[07:29] <ghost^|patrick> no
[07:30] <ghost^|patrick> first it asks me to login
[07:30] <ghost^|patrick> but all my passes and id as a failure
[07:30] <ghost^|patrick> then it says, procede with crtl-d
[07:30] <ghost^|patrick> then i have the same trouble as in the default kernel
[07:30] <cefx> Hey. What's the command to burn an image to a CD in terminal?
[07:30] <cefx> I forget.
[07:31] <cefx> It has something to do with mkisofs :/
[07:31] <Nomad_1> Ave mjr: Thanks guys. I'll have to read about this stuff when I get off work.
[07:31] <thoreauputic> ghost^|patrick: if the kernel won't boot, you are more or less screwed
[07:31] <skalpel> rob_p: hi, i booted into single-user mode but was unable to edit the file i wanted to edit or anything, wat should i do?
[07:31] <rob_p> skalpel: was the filesystem mounted read only?
[07:31] <BxN`> hello
[07:32] <ompaul> skalpel, what file did you want to edit?
[07:32] <ghost^|patrick> its after the hardware detection
[07:32] <BxN`> im about to try ubuntu and i wondered does it have the usual stuff like xMMS and firefox, an irc client etc etc?
[07:32] <skalpel> ompaul: /lib/lsb/init-functions
[07:32] <ghost^|patrick> the last thing i can read, taht the mice has been recognized
[07:32] <BxN`> also can i access my windows partition from ubuntu
[07:32] <siero> irc.tin.it
[07:32] <skalpel> rob_p: i do not think so, i just did not have access to a command to edit the file
[07:32] <thoreauputic> ghost^|patrick: worst case scenario: use the live CD to copy all your important data across the network or to a USB drive/stick etc
[07:32] <rob_p> skalpel: you should have vi
[07:33] <ompaul> skalpel, to mount everything mount -a will mount all default items
[07:33] <djp> cefx: cdrecord -v dev=??? speed=? driveropts=burnfree -dao -eject foobar.iso
[07:33] <skalpel> rob_p: show me the command i should use once the filesystem is mounted, so i will know for sure, ok?
[07:33] <ghost^|patrick> thoreauputic: dont say i should format the drive
[07:33] <strykewulf> is there a way to let people connect to my website althouh i dont have a static ip
[07:33] <ghost^|patrick> :/
[07:33] <ghost^|patrick> that would be the 5th in 2 weeks
[07:33] <ghost^|patrick> crap
[07:33] <PlanarPlatypus> strykewulf, dyndns.org ?
[07:33] <ompaul> skalpel, nano is an editor that you could use
[07:33] <strykewulf> ty planar
[07:33] <skalpel> i tried using nano but i did not get anything, do i have to use mount -a first?
[07:34] <thoreauputic> ghost^|patrick: do you have more than one bootable kernel in /boot ?
[07:34] <ompaul> skalpel, you have to
[07:34] <ghost^|patrick> thoreauputic: ya, but nothin g worked
[07:34] <skalpel> ompaul: in single user mode, correct?
[07:34] <rob_p> skalpel: vi /lib/lsb/init-functions
[07:34] <ghost^|patrick> 386 and k7
[07:34] <ghost^|patrick> nobody boots
[07:34] <skalpel> rob_p: alright, thank you
[07:34] <ghost^|patrick> none
[07:34] <thoreauputic> ghost^|patrick: you tried them from the grub menu?
[07:34] <skalpel> i will try that now.
[07:34] <skalpel> =)
[07:34] <om_> skalpel: you may not have permission to modify that file
[07:34] <om_> try sudo if it doesn't work
[07:34] <ghost^|patrick> thoreauputic: thats the only bootmanager i have
[07:35] <thoreauputic> ghost^|patrick: right
[07:35] <ompaul> skalpel, yes, and a question occurs to me why edit that file?
[07:35] <BxN`> can i play mp3s in ubuntu if im running off a livecd
[07:35] <BxN`> or will i need to load it on since mp3 playback requires a plugin
[07:35] <ghost^|patrick> well.. the reason for this crap is that the system suddenly frooze as i tried to watch OGL screensaver
[07:35] <ghost^|patrick> what went wrong
[07:35] <ghost^|patrick> any ideas?
[07:35] <xliu> is it possible to mount an .img file?
[07:36] <thoreauputic> ghost^|patrick: it might be possible to install a new kernel image and boot that, but I'm not sure how you would go about it
[07:36] <ghost^|patrick> i have absolutly no skills with this :(
[07:36] <thoreauputic> ghost^|patrick: seems strange that a driver install would trash everything like this - are you sure your hardware is OK?
[07:37] <ghost^|patrick> i am in windows...
[07:37] <cefx> djp: siiick, you rock :) I was just hoping for a manpage!
[07:37] <ghost^|patrick> i just played an hour a stupid shooter to calm down
[07:37] <cefx> does cdrecord have a manpage? *checks*
[07:37] <ghost^|patrick> everything worx fine
[07:37] <levander> Anybdy in here has gotten udftools to work?
[07:37] <graabein> anyone got a link to dpkg howto? i want to learn how to install/remove deb-packages
[07:37] <ghost^|patrick> so its an linux issue :(
[07:37] <cefx> yay it does
[07:37] <cefx> graabein: man dpkg ?
[07:38] <graabein> cefx, yeah that would work, hehe
[07:38] <levander> graabein: hold on, there was a post to ubuntuforums about this, lemme find it
[07:38] <xliu> how to open an image file in ubuntu?
[07:38] <ompaul> graabein, use aptitude or apt-get dpkg is being deprecated (it will go out of fashion shortly - :))
[07:38] <ompaul> xliu, gimp file.name
[07:38] <ompaul> xliu, there are many many ways
[07:39] <graabein> i think i installed a couple of deb-packages myself and they dont work so i want to get rid of them
[07:39] <thoreauputic> ghost^|patrick: you said you had reformatted several times - this is not usually necessary with linux either; and normally ubuntu is rock solid (my current uptime is 40 days)
[07:39] <xliu> thanks ompaul
[07:39] <ompaul> graabein, http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/1998/05/msg02249.html
[07:40] <salil> can anyone help me with bluetooth adapter problem..??
[07:40] <arpan> icewt, it worked man
[07:40] <xliu> no, i mean an ISO,IMG file, not a picuture. How to open it?
[07:40] <ghost^|patrick> thoreauputic: the first times i did because i coulnd do anything
[07:40] <arpan> after restarting the machine, firefox worked
[07:41] <ghost^|patrick> the last time i was aple to get around my problems and boot without reinstall
[07:41] <ghost^|patrick> but now
[07:41] <ghost^|patrick> now its different
[07:41] <arpan> i have d'loaded a Gnome Desktop theme, how do I install it?
[07:41] <ghost^|patrick> coze i cant do anything
[07:41] <salil> arpan: hya mula.. goto install theme..
[07:41] <skalpel> rob_p: no luck, i cannot use the vi command
[07:41] <skalpel> rob_p: after doing what you told me to do i get a grub edit> prompt
[07:41] <arpan> OK salil
[07:42] <xliu> how to open an ISO/IMG file in ubuntu?
[07:42] <salil> can anyone help me with a bluetooth adapter problem..?? anyone know how to do that..?
[07:42] <skalpel> and something like root (hda3,0) already entered
[07:42] <rob_p> xliu: create a mount point, then mount the image to it using, "mount -t iso9660 image /created/mount/point/ -o loop"
[07:42] <salil> arpan: where're you from, dude..??
[07:42] <skalpel> rob_p: i have a list of commands i can use but vi is not one of them
[07:42] <skalpel> nor is mount
[07:42] <levander> graabein: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=12040&highlight=dpkg-buildpackage - this page doesn't emphasize to change your sources.list to get the sources from another repository. Doing that will make things a lot easier.
[07:42] <thoreauputic> ghost^|patrick: I suggest you try sending to the ubuntu-users mailing list a detailed descripton of your problem with whatever info you can gather - it is a high traffic list with a lot of clueful people: someone might have some ideas
[07:42] <skalpel> rob_p: are you sure there is no way to edit this file from my live cd?
[07:42] <rob_p> skalpel: at the grub edit prompt, you need to append a comma, a space, and then the word, "single"
[07:42] <skalpel> rob_p: such as mounting my ubuntu install from here?
[07:42] <graabein> levander, i know about the repos, these are debs i didnt find there
[07:43] <arpan> i am from Pondicherry, India
[07:43] <arpan> u salil ?
[07:43] <skalpel> rob_p: ah, after root (hda3,0) ?
[07:43] <salil> arpan: i'm from NP
[07:43] <skalpel> rob_p: so from the grub loader i push the e key and then enter?
[07:43] <salil> arpan: what 'bout you..?
[07:44] <xliu> rob_p, thanks
[07:44] <hid3> Hello everyone.. Is there any utility which monitors how much each (network) device uses interrupt?
[07:44] <levander> graabein: 'dpkg --remove' or 'dpkg --purge' to get rid of the configuration files too.
[07:44] <rob_p> skalpel: e key then append the single switch and then enter. Then b for boot, I think... been a long time since I've used grub...
[07:44] <graabein> levander, ok, how about searching for a particular pacakge?
[07:44] <graabein> that i think i installed, at least i tried to
[07:44] <levander> graabein: 'apt-cache search'
[07:45] <rob_p> xliu: no prob! good luck :)
[07:45] <skalpel> rob_p: im sorry, single switch?
[07:45] <salil> anyone who knows how to use bluetooth adapter..??
[07:45] <skalpel> rob_p: at the grub menu i pressed e and then nothing happened, so i continued to to type what you told me, comma space single
[07:45] <skalpel> and after i finished typing that i was takin to that grub prompt with root (hda1,0) already entered in for me
[07:45] <levander> graabein: 'apt-cache show' or more succinctly 'dpkg -l' to find out if a specific package is installed
[07:46] <rob_p> skalpel: You need to do whatever it takes to get to single user mode (not sure off the top of my head since I don't use grub). Once you do that, then proceed to fix the file.
[07:46] <graabein> levander, thanks, ill try
[07:46] <skalpel> rob_p: well the problem is that evidently i do not know how to get to single user mode. i thought that is what i had arrived at at the grub edit> prompt
[07:46] <skalpel> but i think i might have it now
[07:47] <skalpel> do i hit enter after using 'e' at the boot menu?
[07:47] <graabein> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[07:47] <graabein> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
[07:47] <graabein> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[07:47] <graabein> ||/ Name Version Description
[07:47] <graabein> +++-[07:47] <graabein> pn alexandria <none> (no description available)
[07:47] <skalpel> that is what i am not sure about, hitting e by itself does nothing
[07:47] <rob_p> skalpel: at the edit prompt, you append the switch, "single" and it should allow you to boot the image in single user mode...
[07:47] <skalpel> rob_p: what is the switch?
[07:47] <Razor-X> does X.org have dga?
[07:47] <rob_p> skalpel: single
[07:47] <skalpel> ok
[07:47] <graabein> ups, sorry if i was spamming there... but what does that mean... pn?
[07:48] <skalpel_> rob_p: correct?
[07:48] <Seveas> graabein, that means you once had it installed and now purged
[07:49] <salil> can anyone tell me what command to use to look for connected usb devices..??
[07:49] <graabein> Seveas, ok... cause i had the old version from universe installed and i tried to install the new one from a deb
[07:49] <salil> can anyone tell me what command to use to look for connected usb devices..??
[07:49] <sdschulze> Can one switch from Debian to Ubuntu without a hard reinstallation?
[07:49] <cefx> ok so
[07:50] <graabein> but i got a lot of ruby errors. i think i need to update ruby first... so i guess i have to wait till its in the repos cause i really dont know what im doing :)
[07:50] <Razor-X> sdschulze: no
[07:50] <sdschulze> :(
[07:50] <Seveas> sdschulze, depends...
[07:50] <salil> can anyone tell me what command to use to look for connected usb devices..??
[07:50] <sdschulze> What's the problem?
[07:50] <Seveas> it's not impossible, it might just be hard :)
[07:50] <cefx> cdrecord -v dev=/dev/cdrom speed=20x driveropts=burnfree -dao -eject ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso ?
[07:50] <Seveas> sarge -> hoary is not the easiest route
[07:51] <Seveas> sarge -> breezy or woody -> hoary are easier
[07:51] <Razor-X> sdschulze: you can use your config files, obviously, but the majority of the things can't migrate
[07:51] <sdschulze> Well, I'm flexible. :)
[07:51] <Razor-X> well, most of the config files, rather
[07:51] <cefx> Seveas: Hi! Nice to meet you. :) I'm a new user...and I think I've converted from Slackware -> Ubuntu...
[07:51] <sdschulze> Razor-X: The package names are different?
[07:51] <cefx> Is the syntax and everything correct in that line I juyst pasted?
[07:52] <Razor-X> sdschulze: yeah
[07:52] <cefx> for burning an iso to a C
[07:52] <cefx> D
[07:52] <Seveas> Razor-X, most things can migrate...
[07:52] <Razor-X> Seveas: well, he'll still need to reinstall, no?
[07:52] <Razor-X> you can't incorporate debian packages in Ubuntu without a lot of strife
[07:52] <Seveas> Razor-X, but an upgrade from debian to ubuntu will eliminate the debian packages :)
[07:53] <salil> can anyone tell me what command to use to look for connected usb devices..??
[07:53] <Razor-X> Seveas: hmmmm, really?
[07:53] <Seveas> salil, lsusb
[07:53] <sdschulze> Well, I've actually two points:
[07:53] <graabein> how do i find (and remove) something i installed by a run-file?
[07:53] <salil> Seveas: thanks
[07:53] <Seveas> graabein, not
[07:54] <sdschulze> 0: My CD-ROM drive seems bit broken, I'd like to avoid booting from CD.
[07:54] <salil> Seveas: is there any other command..?? this one isn't showing anything..
[07:54] <sdschulze> 1: I'd like to reuse my configuration files.
[07:54] <Razor-X> o-O
[07:54] <Razor-X> MPlayer's docs are like pages long
[07:54] <sdschulze> So can I get a bootable Ubuntu system from Debian?
[07:55] <Seveas> sdschulze, yes
[07:55] <fredforfaen> is there someone in here having troubles with locales....i get a error where it tells me that locales is broken....when i try to reinstall locales it just tells me that its broken...whet to do?
[07:55] <fredforfaen> what*
[07:55] <graabein> give me some peace!
[07:55] <salil> Seveas: i have a usb bluetooth adapter installed..and i need to find its address..
[07:55] <graabein> fredforfaen, :)
[07:55] <salil> can you tell me how to do that..??
[07:56] <fredforfaen> hehe graabein
[07:56] <Razor-X> salil: lspci -v
[07:56] <fredforfaen> anyone?
[07:56] <Seveas> salil, if lsusb doesn't show it there are no drivers installed
[07:56] <Seveas> salil, check dmesg for details
[07:57] <synd> whats the key combo to scroll up in irssi?
[07:57] <Seveas> fredforfaen, paste the complete error on the pastebin please
[07:57] <Seveas> synd, [PgUp]
[07:57] <ToTaL_LiNuX_NeWb> will beagle be included by default in breezy?
[07:57] <fredforfaen> pastebin?
[07:57] <Seveas> !pastebin
[07:57] <ubotu> I heard pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[07:57] <fredforfaen> ok thanx
[07:57] <synd> Seveas: ah, makes sense. thanks
[07:57] <fredforfaen> ill do so
[07:57] <ZincX> Seveas, i have a domain... can i use it as a vhost when i connect from my normal connection ?
[07:57] <Seveas> ZincX, you mean on IRC?
[07:58] <ZincX> Seveas, yes
[07:58] <sdschulze> OK, thanks everyone
[07:58] <cefx> I'm too poor to own domains.
[07:58] <Seveas> ZincX, no
[07:58] <cefx> What?
[07:58] <cefx> Yes he can.
[07:58] <ZincX> hm.. u mean i cant have my domain as my vhost ?
[07:58] <Seveas> or you must convince your provider to set the RDNS for your IP to your domain :)
[07:58] <cefx> Seveas, if he uses nameservers he can set his hostname to whatever he wants.
[07:58] <Seveas> ZincX, indeed :)
[07:58] <ZincX> reverse dns aen ?
[07:58] <cefx> No matter who his ISP is
[07:58] <fredforfaen> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/327731 there it is ...the locales thingy
[07:58] <Seveas> cefx, IRC servers cannot know that domain
[07:58] <arpan> I have got a cool splash screen for Gnome, how do i set it?
[07:58] <Seveas> they know only the IP
[07:58] <salil> Seveas: thanks.. dmesg worked..
[07:59] <Seveas> and the reverse hostname
[07:59] <cefx> Seveas, they don't have to. That's what nameservers are for.
[07:59] <ChrischiO`GER> hi again
[07:59] <ZincX> hmm..
[07:59] <cefx> If he knows someone with a nameserver they can add the records
[07:59] <graabein> http://packages.ubuntu.com - search for beagle in breezy
[07:59] <cefx> and the domain name will resolve
[07:59] <cefx> believe me, I know
[07:59] <Seveas> cefx, that's not what we are talking about
[07:59] <cefx> oh
[07:59] <fredforfaen> anyone?
[07:59] <cefx> hmm..
[07:59] <Seveas> i know better :)
[07:59] <cefx> my bad, sorry :)
[07:59] <Seveas> fredforfaen, hang on
[07:59] <fredforfaen> ok
[08:00] <cefx> cuz see, Sev... /dns icmps.org and if you DNS the IP it will resolve to a res.rr.com ISP hostname
[08:00] <ChrischiO`GER> ehm.. installed ubuntu some minutes ago.. install didnt ask for root passw so: what is my root PW?
[08:00] <cefx> :\
[08:00] <bur[n] er> can anyone tell me how to get /dev and /proc to work when using a livecd in a chroot environment so I can apt-get upgrade -s
[08:00] <ZincX> Seveas, i dont mind aslong as it appears as a vhost.. even if its using a name server o anythin
[08:00] <Seveas> fredforfaen, try: LC_ALL=C sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[08:00] <cefx> ChrischiO`GER, type sudo passwd root
[08:00] <cefx> and set it yourself :)
[08:00] <topyli> Razor-X: i tried it earlier today. cool and useless :)
[08:00] <fredforfaen> ok
[08:00] <cefx> I found that out yesterday
[08:00] <Seveas> cefx, do NOT advise that
[08:00] <cefx> Very well, Seveas :)
[08:00] <Razor-X> topyli: haha ;)
[08:00] <cefx> ChrischiO`GER, there's a command that allows you to open root shells without using the root account.
[08:00] <Razor-X> as it is, I use Eterm, so maybe i'll stick in the E environment
[08:01] <lasse> whitch mediaplayer shout i choos? mplayer eller xine-ui... nogen der kan hjlpe ?
[08:01] <Razor-X> I want to see how KDE apps look in Enlightenment
[08:01] <cefx> The root account is viewed as a security risk/flaw in Ubuntu
[08:01] <Seveas> cefx, the UBuntu way is to use sudo, so explaining sudo is preferred over explaing sudo passwd root :)
[08:01] <fredforfaen> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/327734 i get this Seveas
[08:01] <cefx> Ah!
[08:01] <Razor-X> because I really think the viewer apps (KPDF and KDVI) of KDE are of top notch quality
[08:01] <bur[n] er> amarok is best of breed too :)
[08:01] <Seveas> fredforfaen, try: LC_ALL=C sudo dpkg --configure locales
[08:01] <cefx> K
[08:01] <fredforfaen> k
[08:01] <Razor-X> KDE has some pretty nice apps ;)
[08:02] <cefx> BRB, reformatting to x86 from x86_64.
[08:02] <ToTaL_LiNuX_NeWb> will beagle be in breezy?
[08:02] <bur[n] er> kopete leaves something to be desired
[08:02] <cefx> I like XFCE.
[08:02] <Seveas> ToTaL_LiNuX_NeWb, yes
[08:02] <bur[n] er> as does konqueror
[08:02] <Razor-X> yeah, Konquerer is real nice
[08:02] <cefx> konq is bad ;(
[08:02] <bur[n] er> XFCE will rule once Thunar is a reality
[08:02] <arpan> can anyone tel me how I can change me splash screen?
[08:02] <chrissturm> how can i make a screenshot of one window?
[08:02] <Razor-X> you know what totally sucks?
[08:02] <skel_> arpan,
[08:02] <Seveas> arpan: To change the Ubuntu splash screen, open the gconf-editor and change the key /apps/gnome-session/options/splash-image
[08:02] <skel_> there a howto on the site
[08:02] <fredforfaen> i get this http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/327735 Seveas
[08:02] <bur[n] er> konq's fish:// access is nice, but konq kinda blows imo
[08:02] <Razor-X> my aptitude doesen't come with super cow powers -_-
[08:03] <Razor-X> bur[n] er: there are quite a few dedicated Konquerer fans
[08:03] <fredforfaen> gotta go to tha toilet...brb
[08:03] <Seveas> fredforfaen, try: LC_ALL=C sudo apt-get install locales
[08:03] <arpan> Seveas, can't I do it in the GUI mode?
[08:03] <Razor-X> i'm not dedicated, but I like the browser a lot
[08:03] <fredforfaen> ok
[08:03] <Seveas> arpan, gconf-editor is the only way
[08:03] <bur[n] er> the browser doesn't compare to firefox
[08:03] <graabein> ToTaL_LiNuX_NeWb, it looks like it. go to http://packages.ubuntu.com/ and search for beagle in breezy
[08:04] <arpan> thx Seveas
[08:04] <bur[n] er> ok, back to chroot, anyone familiar with it?
[08:04] <fredforfaen> i get this http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/327737 Seveas
[08:04] <fredforfaen> brb
[08:04] <ToTaL_LiNuX_NeWb> thanks guys
[08:04] <Razor-X> bur[n] er: I prefer Opera, meself
[08:04] <Seveas> fredforfaen, wtf have you done to mess up your system so bad? mixing debian and ubuntu?!?
[08:05] <ChrischiO`GER> cfex - but why am i allowed to change rootpwd if im not logged in as root???
[08:05] <arpan> Seveas, by splash screen I mean the screen that displays when I log in
[08:05] <ChrischiO`GER> cefx - but why am i allowed to change rootpwd if im not logged in as root???
[08:05] <Razor-X> ChrischiO`GER: because you own the box
[08:05] <Seveas> arpan, yes you change that the way I explained :)
[08:05] <ChrischiO`GER> oO
[08:05] <Phuzion> Hey, where can I get drivers for my sound card?
[08:05] <Razor-X> and therefore, you can be root
[08:05] <Razor-X> duh? ;)
[08:05] <graabein> fredforfaen, do you know how to get norwegian spelling and date-format in every app?
[08:05] <ChrischiO`GER> h?
[08:05] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, sudo makes you root
[08:05] <Phuzion> I have some POS integrated card.
[08:06] <Razor-X> at least, i'm _assuming_ you own the box ;)
[08:06] <fredforfaen> Seveas....it was after i installed some package manually....totally my fault...i know
[08:06] <Seveas> fredforfaen, uninstall that package
[08:06] <fredforfaen> graabein thats one of the problems now
[08:06] <Seveas> and install ubuntu-desktop
[08:06] <Seveas> if that fails, you did something really bad
[08:06] <ChrischiO`GER> seveas - but what was the root pwd befor?
[08:06] <fredforfaen> hmm
[08:06] <bur[n] er> anyone ever have to use a livecd to upgrade packages?
[08:07] <Daedalus> how can I add a man file to my program or whatsoever
[08:07] <fredforfaen> well the system seems fine if it wherent for that locales pkg
[08:07] <ubuntu__> rob_p: still there? i was unable to boot into single user mode
[08:07] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, nothing
[08:08] <Seveas> it was not set
[08:08] <skalpel> is there a way to edit files on my ubuntu install partition from a live cd?
[08:08] <stjepan> heya
[08:08] <ChrischiO`GER> but if i wanted to login as su and just pressed Enter at password it didnt work..
[08:08] <stjepan> what client for newsgroups do you use?
[08:08] <ChrischiO`GER> -if +when -.-'
[08:09] <skalpel> how come the ubuntu does not automatically detect monitor refresh rates and put them in xorg.conf?
[08:09] <skalpel> is there a way to edit files on my ubuntu install partition from a live cd?
[08:09] <mjr> skalpel, the X server is supposed to detect that on its own
[08:09] <bur[n] er> skalpel: mount it, edit them
[08:10] <skalpel> bur[n] er: can you tell me how to mont that partition?
[08:10] <skalpel> i do noty know how
[08:10] <skalpel> mjr: it did not do that, i am stuck in 640x480 mode
[08:10] <skalpel> mjr: why do you think it would fail to do that? there are no entries in xorg.conf for refresh rates.
[08:10] <bur[n] er> boot live cd, open term, sudo su, mount /dev/hdxx, cd /mnt/hdxx
[08:11] <fredforfaen> damn i cant fix it....is there anything i can do besides reinstall Seveas?
[08:11] <skalpel> how do i find out what dev the partition is using? i am not sure
[08:11] <mmoscosa> Does anyone knows how to install Nvu? or does anyone knows a similar program or better?!
[08:11] <bur[n] er> skalpel: just try them till it works :)
[08:11] <thoreauputic> !nvu
[08:11] <ubotu> methinks nvu is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToInstallNVUHTMLEditor/ http://www.nvu.com/ Linux/Mac/Windows Web authoring.""
[08:11] <bur[n] er> boot live cd, open term, sudo su, mount /dev/hdxx, cd /mnt/hdxx, ls
[08:12] <mjr> skalpel, I guess you should add them explicitly then, dunno why it wouldn't (that is, if your monitor, video card and driver support it)
[08:12] <Seveas> fredforfaen, dunno, I don't know how seriously messed up your system is.
[08:12] <skalpel> mjr: they do support it. i already fixed this on my ubuntu install i was just curious about the live cd, it sucks to have that happen
[08:12] <onur> i would like to install Eclipse and tomcat 5 to my ubuntu installation. But i doubt that there s a related package in repositories. What should i do ?
[08:12] <mmoscosa> ubotu thankyou
[08:12] <topyli> mmoscosa: get it from nvu.com, extract the tarball in /opt, and you're ready to go
[08:12] <skalpel> bur[n] er: thank you.
[08:12] <ubotu> bitte, mmoscosa
[08:12] <fredforfaen> Seveas hmm , it seems pretty messed up
[08:12] <fredforfaen> damn
[08:13] <Tomcat_> onur: Check ubuntuforums.org, there are HowTos.
[08:13] <bur[n] er> well, the livecd isn't perfect
[08:13] <sexcopter8000m> can anyone suggest a programme for stringing together some jpegs into a video clip?
[08:14] <skalpel> bur[n] er: ubuntu is telling me i do not have any entries in /etc/fstab for hda1-5
[08:14] <skalpel> bur[n] er: what should i do?
[08:14] <bur[n] er> skalpel: hdb ??
[08:14] <bur[n] er> hdc??
[08:14] <mmoscosa> topyli hats the tarball in /opt
[08:14] <bur[n] er> hdd?
[08:14] <bur[n] er> possibly a bad hard drive?
[08:14] <skalpel> bur[n] er: ok
[08:14] <skalpel> no, not a bad hard drive, i just made a typo in /lib/lsb/init_functions
[08:14] <fredforfaen> guess its a reinstall then
[08:14] <fredforfaen> damn
[08:14] <topyli> mmoscosa: i can't parse that :)
[08:14] <onur> ok second question is when i try to play an mpg file with with totem i got sound but no video. What should i do ?
[08:15] <mmoscosa> ubotu your page : https://wiki.ubuntu.com//HowToInstallNVUHTMLEditor/ aparently is not there hehe
[08:15] <ubotu> mmoscosa: that's too long
[08:15] <skalpel> bur[n] er: how do i get a list of partitions on my hard drive?
[08:15] <bur[n] er> skalpel: fdisk -l
[08:15] <skalpel> thank you
[08:15] <rob_newbie> I am so lost
[08:15] <topyli> mmoscosa: ubotu is just a poor little bot. he cannot understand such long statements :)
[08:15] <shinu> hi people
[08:16] <onur> ok second question is when i try to play an mpg file with with totem i got sound but no video. What should i do ?
[08:16] <skalpel> bur[n] er: i have 2 linux partitions type 83, on /dev/hda1 and /dev/hda3
[08:16] <skalpel> bur[n] er: why can't i mount them?
[08:16] <Simian> Hi, just installed ubuntu, how do I know what repos to use
[08:16] <rob_newbie> Can someone help with a good link over how to install from a tar file I am confused over how to compile these things
[08:17] <Simian> there used to be an unofficial faq but it seems to have gone
[08:17] <thoreauputic> !repos
[08:17] <ubotu> I guess repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[08:17] <fredforfaen> wish me luck
[08:17] <skalpel> bur[n] er: do i need to add these partitions to my /etc/fstab file?
[08:17] <topyli> mmoscosa: please stop /msging me. i'll help you on the channel
[08:17] <mmoscosa> topyli ohh ok
[08:17] <mmoscosa> topyli yes im here
[08:17] <mmoscosa> hehe
[08:17] <topyli> :)
[08:18] <Simian> ubotu I looked at that but it doesn't tell you wich ones to use
[08:18] <ubotu> Simian: No idea
[08:18] <bur[n] er> skalpel: i don't think you should have to...
[08:18] <Seveas> Simian: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[08:18] <topyli> mmoscosa: so you have the tarball
[08:18] <bur[n] er> skalpel: should be auto-detected
[08:18] <onur> no one to help me ?
[08:18] <mmoscosa> topyli yes
[08:18] <thoreauputic> Simian: start with universe and multiverse
[08:18] <bur[n] er> skalpel: if not... mkdir /mnt/blah; mount /dev/hdxx /mnt/blah
[08:18] <Seveas> mmoscosa, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingNvu
[08:18] <topyli> cd to /opt
[08:18] <Seveas> !nvu
[08:18] <ubotu> [nvu] http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToInstallNVUHTMLEditor/ http://www.nvu.com/ Linux/Mac/Windows Web authoring.""
[08:18] <rob_newbie> thanks
[08:18] <Seveas> !forget nvu
[08:18] <ubotu> i forgot nvu, Seveas
[08:18] <thoreauputic> Simian: if you need win32codecs for video add hoary-extras
[08:19] <Seveas> ubotu nvu is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingNvu http://www.nvu.com/ Linux/Mac/Windows Web authoring.
[08:19] <ubotu> Seveas: okay
[08:19] <mmoscosa> Seveas ok ill have a look
[08:19] <skalpel> bur[n] er: it says i cannot make that dir
[08:19] <topyli> topyli: then do this: sudo tar xjvf [drag and drop the file from the file manager to the terminal window]
[08:19] <bluefoxicy> task 6321 (sshd)
[08:19] <bluefoxicy> bfac3000-bfad7000 rwxp bfac3000 00:00 0 [stack]
[08:19] <bluefoxicy> 0808d000-080b3000 rw-p 0808d000 00:00 0 [heap]
[08:19] <bluefoxicy> You GOTTA love this.
[08:19] <Simian> thanks guys, I'll give it a go
[08:19] <bluefoxicy> sshd with executable stack
[08:19] <skalpel> bur[n] er: nm, i got it
[08:20] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, hmmm
[08:20] <bluefoxicy> oddly enough, if I use a PaX kernel, sshd works, but has no WX mappings
[08:20] <PurpleMotion> Seveas: do you ever sleep?
[08:20] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, do bots ever sleep?
[08:20] <bluefoxicy> that goes for half of Gnome, which decides that it wants WX mappings that it doesn't need.
[08:20] <PurpleMotion> but you're not a bot
[08:20] <bluefoxicy> and gaim
[08:20] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, who says that?
[08:21] <topyli> PurpleMotion: he's a very advanced bot
[08:21] <skalpel> bur[n] er: interestingly enough that put me in my windowsxp partition
[08:21] <onur> Tomcat_, I cant find anything in ubuntuforums related to tomcat or its repos
[08:21] <PurpleMotion> if he were a bot, the level of AI he displays would have long standing military applications and we would _never_ see the likes of him in a linux help channel
[08:21] <onur> ok second question is when i try to play an mpg file with with totem i got sound but no video. What should i do ?
[08:22] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, I am developed by people who dislike military applications
[08:22] <thoreauputic> !repeat
[08:22] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, repeat is Don't repeat your question every few minutes- if someone knows they will answer
[08:22] <Tomcat_> onur: I've installed it a few days ago with a howto from there... wait a seocnd.
[08:22] <ChrischiO`GER> which chmod commands do i have to use to make a mounted drive read/writeable by nonsu??
[08:22] <skalpel> bur[n] er: how do i change over to the linux partition now? i did cd /mnt/blah but it put me in the live cd filesystem
[08:23] <Tomcat_> onur: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=44006&highlight=tomcat <--- How about this one? :>
[08:23] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, is it a fat23 drive or a linux drive?
[08:23] <PurpleMotion> It doesnt matter if they like military applications or not. if they design a level of ai that advanced, and the military wants it, they willt ake it
[08:23] <ChrischiO`GER> muaha ntfs ^^
[08:23] <onur> Tomcat_, on my way
[08:23] <acid2_> Hey, which repo has gstreamer0.8-faad?
[08:23] <ChrischiO`GER> so readonly i know
[08:23] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, that may be the case in the US but not here
[08:23] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, indeed
[08:23] <thoreauputic> acid2_: probably hoary-extras
[08:23] <acid2_> oki doki
[08:23] <PurpleMotion> must be nice
[08:23] <acid2_> i'll see if I have that
[08:23] <thoreauputic> acid2_: not certain of that though
[08:24] <PurpleMotion> but i doubt its true
[08:24] <ChrischiO`GER> yeah but my nonse user is not allowed to read after i mounted it with root
[08:24] <ChrischiO`GER> *nonsu
[08:24] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, then add umask=0000 to the fstab line
[08:24] <Seveas> in the options fiels
[08:24] <ChrischiO`GER> what?
[08:24] <Seveas> field*
[08:24] <ChrischiO`GER> <-- linux n00b
[08:24] <onur> Tomcat_, thx. btw the forums are not searchable how should i suppose to find it out
[08:24] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, hehe, remove it completely from /etc/fstab then
[08:24] <acid2_> thoreauputic: thats on the backports server, right?
[08:24] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[08:24] <thoreauputic> acid2_: yep
[08:25] <acid2_> oki doki
[08:25] <ChrischiO`GER> wtf is fstab?
[08:25] <PurpleMotion> Seveas: I spoke with my wife. She's buying me the o'reilley book for the lpi exams today
[08:25] <skalpel> how do i unmount a filesystem?
[08:25] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, did you mount it manually with the mount command?
[08:25] <ChrischiO`GER> <-- TOTAL Linux n00b
[08:25] <Seveas> skalpel, umount
[08:25] <PurpleMotion> i'm going to schedule the exam next week
[08:25] <ChrischiO`GER> i did
[08:25] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, then unmount it again
[08:25] <thoreauputic> ChrischiO`GER: it's /etc/fstab - the file that defines where filesystems will be mounted
[08:25] <Seveas> umount /dev/something
[08:25] <shinu> anyone know why i am not able to play a movie with mplayer but i can with totem player?
[08:25] <Seveas> where /dev/something is the thing you used in mount
[08:26] <onur> Tomcat_, also i realized it adds smt to .bashrc how ever this means the tomcat installation is not system wide but user wide
[08:26] <PurpleMotion> shinu: codecs
[08:26] <skalpel> seveas: what does it mean if term says that the dev is busy?
[08:26] <PurpleMotion> shinu: totem uses codecs in a plugin fashion.. mplayer has to compile them in
[08:26] <shinu> PurpleMotion: should i install codecs before mplayer?
[08:26] <topyli> shinu: perhaps you have totem-gstreamer and you have the codecs for gst but not for mplayer
[08:26] <Seveas> skalpel, it means that you still have some program open using files on it
[08:26] <PurpleMotion> you should install codecs then apt-get source -b mplayer-686
[08:26] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: erm, no that's not so
[08:26] <acid2_> hmmm, what about libfaad?
[08:26] <PurpleMotion> its not?
[08:27] <Seveas> or a terminal with the mountpoin as curent dir
[08:27] <PurpleMotion> this is how i understood it to be
[08:27] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: for instance w32codecs work fine with the ubuntu binaries of mplayer
[08:27] <shinu> topyli: but i did the same thing i did on this comp on anyther comp and it worked perfectly fine
[08:27] <ChrischiO`GER> Seveas - done
[08:27] <PurpleMotion> so then why did i recompile mplayer?
[08:27] <shinu> yeah, i have those w32codecs
[08:27] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: I have no idea
[08:28] <PurpleMotion> oh well, it's faster now either way ;)
[08:28] <topyli> shinu: it's weird but mplayer is a mystery anyway
[08:28] <ma3x> Why the hell black screen with blinking cursor shows when I close the lit of my laptop
[08:28] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, no type: wget http://ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab && sudo bash winmac_fstab
[08:28] <Tomcat_> onur: A user that replied in the thread has posted a startup script for the system... I'm sure that will contain systemwide environment variables.
[08:28] <ChrischiO`GER> oO
[08:28] <ChrischiO`GER> whats this?
[08:28] <shinu> topyli: i very much like it 8)
[08:28] <PurpleMotion> shinu: yeah, mplayer is nice
[08:28] <samu> whats the best gui ftp client?
[08:28] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, a little (already famous) script I wrote for automatic mounting of windows partitions
[08:28] <PurpleMotion> samu: i rather like gftp
[08:29] <shinu> and guess what, i can open the movie with mplayer on my other comp but cant with ttem x)
[08:29] <samu> ive just been getting annoyed with gftp
[08:29] <shinu> totem*
[08:29] <Stern-> yo
[08:29] <ChrischiO`GER> Seveas - no, it shouldnt be mounted everytime
[08:29] <Seveas> oy
[08:29] <PurpleMotion> howso?
[08:29] <Amaranth> shinu: totem-xine?
[08:29] <Stern-> my install is stuck at 25% of installing repository
[08:29] <Stern-> apt
[08:29] <anacron> can someone help me installing some files to run stepmania?
[08:29] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, you can change that later
[08:29] <shinu> Amaranth: i guess just totem, i dont know, the one that comes with ubuntu
[08:29] <cefx> ideas? ;D
[08:29] <ma3x> anya nswer for me?
[08:29] <cefx> Amaranth: I'm formatting for the 32bit install :P
[08:29] <PurpleMotion> that's totem-gstreamer
[08:30] <shinu> it says: Could not open resource for writing
[08:30] <ChrischiO`GER> Seveas - just wanna know how I set the right to be read by nonsu on my mounted drive
[08:30] <Amaranth> shinu: if you want w32codecs support and all that you need totem-xine
[08:30] <anacron> i need libavformat.so file, which is not provided with ubuntu
[08:30] <PurpleMotion> try sudo apt-get install totem-xine
[08:30] <ma3x> when I close the LID of the laptop I get BSOD
[08:30] <topyli> shinu: ubuntu has two totems, with different backends
[08:30] <onur> Tomcat_, what about the apache connector jk, i have installed it but how do i configure them all ?
[08:30] <shinu> uh...
[08:30] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, that's what I said: add umask=0000 to the options field of mount or /etc/fstab
[08:30] <acid2_> Would someone mind posting a nice sources.lists ?
[08:30] <tigliona1bit> how do I get gkrellm to check mail on my gmail account?
[08:30] <acid2_> -s
[08:30] <SDFH_FreeBSD> guys whats the command to get the kubuntu desktop on ubuntu
[08:30] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, but you did not understand that, so I was trying to make it easier :)
[08:30] <shinu> i think i have just totem
[08:30] <PurpleMotion> acid2_: I will
[08:30] <acid2_> PurpleMotion: thank you :)
[08:30] <Seveas> SDFH_FreeBSD, sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[08:30] <anacron> SDFH_FreeBSD: i suppose it's apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:31] <ChrischiO`GER> Seveas - but it should not be this way on ALL mounted drives but just at one
[08:31] <ChrischiO`GER> Seveas - is there no way to do with chmod??
[08:31] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, no
[08:31] <Tomcat_> onur: No idea about that... I have never installed that. Try searching the Ubuntu wiki and the Ubuntu forums, and if you can't find anything turn to Google or feel free to ask the channel again.
[08:31] <topyli> shinu: totet mis a dummy package that just depends on totem-xine
[08:31] <ChrischiO`GER> hm
[08:31] <Seveas> ntfs does not know a bot about that
[08:31] <Seveas> so you will have to specify it when mounting
[08:31] <rob_newbie> Hello First time using a tar file anyone able to help
[08:31] <PurpleMotion> acid2_: http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/903
[08:31] <shinu> topyli: oh...
[08:31] <acid2_> thank you :)
[08:32] <topyli> shinu: uhh. totem is...
[08:32] <acid2_> What is that last one?
[08:32] <anacron> rob_newbie: just ask, someone will answer
[08:32] <cefx> I restarted..hmm
[08:32] <PurpleMotion> the debian.neo.pl one gives you all kinds of kde window decos
[08:32] <ma3x> is anybody listening to me?
[08:32] <anacron> so anyone how to run stepmania?
[08:32] <acid2_> ah, no use for me then
[08:32] <PurpleMotion> right on
[08:33] <PurpleMotion> the rest will do you well, though
[08:33] <calamari> hi
[08:33] <rob_newbie> how do you complie a package from a tar file
[08:33] <acid2_> Yey, im all good now - thanks PurpleMotion !
[08:33] <ChrischiO`GER> Seveas - so if i change the accessrights of my mkdir made dir(where later a drive is mounted) doesnt work??
[08:33] <calamari> I tried to upgrade to Hoary using Synaptic, but it failed and now I'm missing like everything from my system
[08:33] <thoreauputic> ma3x: there's no such animal as BSOD in linux :)
[08:33] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, nope
[08:33] <calamari> I haven't rebooted yet
[08:33] <ChrischiO`GER> Seveas - why? :)
[08:33] <anacron> rob_newbie: you have to extract tar first
[08:33] <calamari> someone please help me
[08:33] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, because it works different :)
[08:34] <ma3x> thoreauputic, I meant Black Screen of Death
[08:34] <DekaPink> Huh... Gimp doesn't seem to want to let me crop. :3
[08:34] <ChrischiO`GER> Seveas - damn WindowsThinking^^
[08:34] <Seveas> calamari, try again: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:34] <Seveas> calamari, or else: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[08:34] <PurpleMotion> rob^: first unpack the tar file (tar zxfv file.tar.gz -or- tar jxfv file.tar.bz2), then (cd file-directory) then (./configure) then (make) then (sudo make install) -usually-
[08:34] <thoreauputic> rob_newbie: chances are you don't need to compile whatever it is...
[08:34] <eyequeue> ma3x: alt-cltrl-f7
[08:34] <rob_newbie> anacron: Ok sould I just do this on the desktop?
[08:34] <ar3ac> can you tell me if there is a unstable livecd ? with new kernel ?
[08:34] <Seveas> calamari, and: sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[08:34] <ar3ac> i need at last the kernel 2.6.10
[08:34] <anacron> rob_newbie: do as PurpleMotion saod
[08:34] <shinu> any idea why ubuntu might kick me off gnome and put back the login screen? 0.o
[08:34] <anacron> said*
[08:35] <calamari> seveas: invalid operation "dist"
[08:35] <Seveas> calamari, try again: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:35] <ChrischiO`GER> How can i login on gnome as root?
[08:35] <eyequeue> as root? eww
[08:35] <ChrischiO`GER> jap
[08:35] <anacron> shinu: have you used windows recently, sometimes ubuntu get's very angry if you do
[08:35] <ma3x> eyequeue, I figured that out, but why does the blackscreen show up with a blinking cursor?
[08:35] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, you should NEVER do that....
[08:35] <thoreauputic> rob_newbie: what are you wanting to compile? It might be in the repositories already
[08:36] <cefx> Seveas: What would I do to upgrade to -current?
[08:36] <cefx> The same thing you told calamari?
[08:36] <calamari> should I install packages without verfication (I had to use apt -f)
[08:36] <rob_newbie> cd file-directory?
[08:36] <eyequeue> ma3x: my guess is that it's a security feature, semi-like a screenlock, but not as aggressive
[08:36] <Seveas> cefx, what do you mean>
[08:36] <shinu> anacron: er... damn... my parents always use windows :/
[08:36] <Seveas> ?
[08:36] <cefx> the amd64 install was much much faster
[08:36] <shinu> anacron: xP
[08:36] <cefx> Seveas: Kernel upgrade
[08:36] <skalpel> does anyone else here use bootsplash?
[08:36] <cefx> to -current
[08:36] <rob_newbie> It is xmms
[08:36] <ma3x> eyequeue, does it happen to you too?
[08:36] <PurpleMotion> rob_newbie: yeah, change to the directory that was created when you untar'd the source package
[08:36] <ChrischiO`GER> Seveas - whats the diffrence between loggin in as root in terminal and as root on gnome?? oO
[08:36] <calamari> yikes .. scrolling too fast
[08:36] <cefx> I'm installing 5.04 -- does that come with a -current kernel then?
[08:36] <calamari> cant read this in ircii
[08:36] <cefx> :)
[08:36] <skalpel> what is a .diff file?
[08:36] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, as root in X it is very easy to do damage
[08:36] <eyequeue> ma3x: yes, it took some getting used to, but it's apparently normal
[08:36] <ar3ac> someone can help me ?
[08:37] <ar3ac> i need a live install cd with kernel 2.6.10 ?
[08:37] <anacron> shinu: so you have to choose, ubuntu or parents?
[08:37] <ma3x> eyequeue, u know how to disable it?
[08:37] <PurpleMotion> ChrischiO`GER: because when you log into gnome it spawns about 20 or so processes.. all of these running uid=0 is a BAD thing
[08:37] <eyequeue> ma3x: btw, sometimes it moves from f7 here to 710, still have not determined why, but experiment if f7 doesn't work
[08:37] <PurpleMotion> I'm all for having a root account, but I would _never_ log it into X
[08:37] <ChrischiO`GER> uid=0 ?
[08:37] <shinu> anacron: i have ubuntu on my laptop so it doesnt really matter xP
[08:37] <shinu> hm...
[08:37] <rob_newbie> Ok I am in the directory now
[08:37] <PurpleMotion> yeah, root is uid=0
[08:37] <anacron> shinu: keep it cool
[08:37] <eyequeue> ma3x: no, i suspect it's in acpi-related packages somewhere
[08:37] <ChrischiO`GER> ah.. user ID^^
[08:38] <topyli> skalpel: it contains the differences between two or more files, so that the whole files don't have to be distributed again
[08:38] <shinu> my mplayer still gets stuck after finding this soundcard... ;.;
[08:38] <ma3x> ok eyequeue thanks for the info
[08:38] <eyequeue> ma3x: np
[08:38] <calamari> I should file a bug report on that
[08:38] <shinu> anacron: *my* ubuntu works like wonder~
[08:38] <shinu> anacron: i think its something wrong with this comp ;)
[08:38] <skalpel> topyli: so that would be useful for making alterations to the kernel?
[08:38] <DekaPink> Hmmm... Anyone know where I might find a Ubuntu-themed splash for gimp? :3
[08:38] <anacron> shinu: well usually there is if it won't work :D
[08:39] <PurpleMotion> if there were one, dont u think ubuntu would have included it :D
[08:39] <shinu> :D
[08:39] <topyli> skalpel: yes, it's nicer to download a 100k diff file than a 30M kernel tarball :)
[08:39] <cefx> "be cool"
[08:39] <cefx> hehehe
[08:39] <ChrischiO`GER> Seveas - so how can i tell my drive it should be readable by nonsu when mounting it?? (without editing fstab (couse i dont know how to edit a file -.-))
[08:39] <skalpel> topyli: what do you do with them? how do you applyu the changes?
[08:39] <PurpleMotion> load up gimp and make one :D
[08:39] <topyli> skalpel: you apply them with diff :)
[08:39] <topyli> man diff
[08:39] <cefx> ChrischiO`GER: vi /etc/fstab
[08:39] <skalpel> o
[08:39] <cefx> hehe
[08:39] <skalpel> ok
[08:39] <PurpleMotion> ChrischiO`GER: learn :) it's not hard
[08:39] <shinu> which mplayer should i get? (apart from the nogui one)
[08:39] <cefx> or uh
[08:39] <DekaPink> PurpleMotion, I'm still rather bad with it... I don't think it would be very pretty. :D
[08:39] <skalpel> is it safe to do this?
[08:39] <cefx> in ubuntu it's vim isn't it?
[08:40] <ChrischiO`GER> narf
[08:40] <PurpleMotion> and dont do it via vi unless you're masochistic
[08:40] <shinu> 386? custom?
[08:40] <thoreauputic> ChrischiO`GER: editing fstab isn't really that difficult or scary you know :)
[08:40] <deprave> Razor-X: where is my gaim plugin for looking at irc chick's boobies?!
[08:40] <ChrischiO`GER> gnnaaaaa
[08:40] <cefx> thoreauputic: it is in FreeBSD.
[08:40] <cefx> ;D
[08:40] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, mount -t ntfs /dev/bla /mount/point -o umask=0000
[08:40] <PurpleMotion> vi/m is evil
[08:40] <skalpel> does anyoen in here use bootsplash?
[08:40] <Seveas> vim is good
[08:40] <thoreauputic> cefx: well, we aren't in freeBSD ;)
[08:40] <PurpleMotion> good and evil
[08:41] <ChrischiO`GER> THX thats all i wanted to know ;)
[08:41] <cefx> Seveas: What's the difference of vi vs vim?
[08:41] <PurpleMotion> nano is your friend
[08:41] <PurpleMotion> hell, ee rocks the socks off vim
[08:41] <deprave> PurpleMotion : whazup
[08:41] <topyli> skalpel: i'd like to, but have been too busy to play with it. i'm on vacation you see ;-)
[08:41] <Choubaka> vim is usable.
[08:41] <PurpleMotion> sup deprave
[08:41] <PurpleMotion> seig heil
[08:41] <deprave> HAHA
[08:41] <deprave> he didn't do anything
[08:41] <skalpel> topyli: ok. i want to know how stable it is before i apply it. im assuming you apply the bootsplash .diff file to the kernel, right?
[08:41] <Seveas> cefx, on ubuntu vi is a symlink to vim
[08:41] <deprave> it's an inside joke
[08:41] <Seveas> k
[08:42] <Seveas> but that talk is not appreciated...
[08:42] <cefx> oh I see.
[08:42] <deprave> he is apologetic over it
[08:42] <deprave> thanks
[08:42] <topyli> skalpel: something like that. actually, patch may be the correct utility. diff is for creating diff files
[08:42] <PurpleMotion> yeah uhh sorry for whatever i did
[08:42] <deprave> hehe
[08:42] <cefx> What was that URL about the behaviour expected in #ubuntu?
[08:42] <ChrischiO`GER> Seveas - do i have to tell him that it is ntfs (-t ntfs) everytime a mount an ntfs?
[08:42] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, yup
[08:42] <deprave> cefx : www.lemonparty.org i think
[08:42] <skalpel> topyli: do you know when breezy will be released?
[08:42] <DekaPink> Huh... Has anyone tried installing the NeroLinux deb on Ubuntu? :3
[08:43] <ChrischiO`GER> Seveas - if i do not??
[08:43] <PurpleMotion> deprave: do you know how to remove tattoos? i got this big number on my arm, suddenly....
[08:43] <topyli> skalpel: september
[08:43] <skalpel> i really like bootsplash graphics, but i do not want to go altering my kernel just yet
[08:43] <skalpel> ok
[08:43] <deprave> lol!
[08:43] <cefx> oh dear.
[08:43] <cefx> This is turning into chaos.
[08:43] <ChrischiO`GER> Seveas - cause did it oO
[08:43] <PurpleMotion> skalpel: splashy
[08:43] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: I guess a lot of people get offended by nazi references - even if they are intended as jokes
[08:43] <deprave> Razor-X are you here sir
[08:43] <cefx> ChrischiO`GER: Yes.
[08:43] <PurpleMotion> thoreauputic: i guess so.
[08:43] <skalpel> purplemotion: ok
[08:44] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, mount may guess it
[08:44] <deprave> anyone here know of a way to view web cams on gaim via msn messenger and yahoo im?
[08:44] <ChrischiO`GER> Seveas - ok^^
[08:44] <Seveas> but I prefer to explicitely say it :)
[08:44] <PurpleMotion> but yaknow seig heil is nothing more than a statement of alleigance (I murdered that word)... they heil things allt he time in germany and it doesnt mean they're nazis
[08:44] <PurpleMotion> deprave: gaim-vv
[08:44] <ChrischiO`GER> Seveas - and umask=0000 is the option for readable by everyone or what?
[08:45] <Choubaka> PurpleMotion: hint: allegiance.
[08:45] <deprave> PurpleMotion is that an application of some sort
[08:45] <Choubaka> :)
[08:45] <cefx> no
[08:45] <cefx> by nobody
[08:45] <Seveas> ChrischiO`GER, yup
[08:45] <ChrischiO`GER> h?
[08:45] <cefx> ChrischiO`GER: try =0222
[08:45] <cefx> Oh.
[08:45] <cefx> Seveas: that's bad though, -anyone- could fuck with him
[08:45] <PurpleMotion> deprave: it's a dev branch of gaim that supports voice and video for the msn protocol, and will soon do the same for yahoo
[08:45] <cefx> pardon my language
[08:45] <cefx> :)
[08:45] <ChrischiO`GER> what is 0222??
[08:45] <cefx> read only
[08:46] <topyli> PurpleMotion: you even misspelled it. small wonder people are pissed ;-)
[08:46] <Seveas> PurpleMotion, I know the meaning, but it's so much abused by nazis and nazi-like people that the word triggers action quite easily
[08:46] <levander> There is a command to compare the contents (recursively) of two directories?
[08:46] <ph8> i have a total nub question, can anyone tell me the difference between 386 and 686?
[08:46] <ChrischiO`GER> readonly by who??
[08:46] <PurpleMotion> Seveas: i'll concede that
[08:46] <cefx> everyone
[08:46] <levander> ph8: 686 is the pentium ii, 386 is the old intel 386, the oldest intel chip linux supports
[08:46] <skalpel> purplemotion: can you tell me what this means? dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of splashy:
[08:46] <skalpel> splashy depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21); however:
[08:46] <skalpel> Version of libc6 on system is 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13.
[08:46] <ChrischiO`GER> hm? and 0000 is.. ?
[08:46] <MrMaDSeN> how do I mount what i see at smb://mediabox ?
[08:46] <svizzero> anyone knows a package for measuring cpu temperature on linux?
[08:47] <PurpleMotion> what version of splashy do you have?
[08:47] <PurpleMotion> cause mine didnt do that
[08:47] <cefx> read/write/etc
[08:47] <PurpleMotion> try: apt-get -f install
[08:47] <PurpleMotion> lemme see what version of splashy i have
[08:47] <skalpel> i have 1.5, the most recenet version
[08:47] <PurpleMotion> ii splashy 0.1.5 A complete user-space boot splash system
[08:47] <thoreauputic> svizzero: lmsensors - but configuring it is a bit of a pain
[08:48] <PurpleMotion> hrmm
[08:48] <eyequeue> svizzero: gkrellm
[08:48] <shadrach> can u use regular deb's with ubuntu?
[08:48] <PurpleMotion> try: apt-get -f install
[08:48] <ChrischiO`GER> cefx - by what? everybody?
[08:48] <PurpleMotion> does it remove splashy?
[08:48] <svizzero> eyequeue, does gkrellm display also the cpu temperature?
[08:48] <graabein> shadrach, i want to know this as well. or at least how to try them
[08:48] <cefx> Yes.
[08:48] <graabein> before i install
[08:48] <cefx> You don't wnat to write to NTFS though
[08:48] <cefx> that is a -bad- idea
[08:48] <eyequeue> svizzero: mine displays both cpu and hdd temp here
[08:48] <shadrach> well, there are certain apps i want that I know are not in the ubuntu repos
[08:48] <rob_newbie> ok after I am in the directory that it was extracted to what do I do?
[08:48] <ChrischiO`GER> cefx - and what is the code for suonly?
[08:48] <shinu> should it make any difference whether i use mplayer in gnome or xfce4?
[08:48] <skalpel> purplemotion: i got the same arror using aptitude
[08:49] <topyli> shadrach: a deb is a deb. it depends on which system the package was built on. debian packages may or may not work -- better not use them
[08:49] <cefx> su only? um mount it with sudo and specify nothing
[08:49] <PurpleMotion> skalpel: try: apt-get -f install
[08:49] <cefx> and only root will get it
[08:49] <ChrischiO`GER> hm :/
[08:49] <skalpel> purplemotion: i did, i got the same error
[08:49] <PurpleMotion> does it remove splashy? or upgrade your library?
[08:49] <Seveas> topyli, a deb is a deb of course of course, and no one can talk to a deb of course, ....:)
[08:49] <thoreauputic> shinu: mplayer works fine in any window manger / desktop
[08:49] <shadrach> ok, so i guess ubuntu aint for me then
[08:49] <topyli> heh
[08:49] <skalpel> purplemotion: er, sorry i did not
[08:49] <eyequeue> svizzero: i may have added some extra gkreallm-* packages too, browse through synaptic or aptitude to see if there are any you like, if you decide to install it
[08:49] <PurpleMotion> what command, exactly, are you entering?
[08:49] <skalpel> purplemotion: it is removing splashy now
[08:49] <PurpleMotion> ah
[08:49] <PurpleMotion> try
[08:49] <calamari> seveas: the apt-get dist-upgrade has finished.. do I need to do anything else?>
[08:49] <kemik> PurpleMotion: i think its "sieg heil" not "seig heil"
[08:49] <shinu> thoreauputic: well... it seems to fail with both my configurations under gnome
[08:50] <Seveas> calamari, yes reboot
[08:50] <PurpleMotion> dpkg -i --force-all splashy
[08:50] <shinu> thoreauputic: though on my laptop it works very fine under xfce4
[08:50] <svizzero> eyequeue, k thx
[08:50] <calamari> seveas: okay.. there was another command you mentioned but I didn't do it yeytdoes it matter?
[08:50] <skalpel> purplemotion: dpkg: error processing splashy (--install):
[08:50] <skalpel> cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[08:50] <deprave> PurpleMotion ok thanks
[08:50] <thoreauputic> shinu: hmm - dunno then
[08:50] <shinu> damn
[08:50] <deprave> PurpleMotion can i apt-get it?
[08:50] <shinu> ok
[08:50] <Seveas> calamari, apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[08:50] <PurpleMotion> kemik: whatever it was a joke and you people have killed it, resurrected it, killed it again, and crucified it
[08:50] <shinu> going to install xfce4 on this comp
[08:50] <Seveas> it does matter a lot
[08:50] <PurpleMotion> so let it go
[08:50] <thoreauputic> shinu: here it seems OK in any WM
[08:50] <shinu> thanks a lot for your help ^^
[08:50] <Chaotic_Shield> hmm....
[08:50] <graabein> can anyone tell me which of these (i have 0.4*) running and i want to get 0.5*
[08:50] <graabein> http://tuxcmd.sourceforge.net/download.php
[08:50] <PurpleMotion> deprave: i doubt it
[08:51] <shinu> thoreauputic: seems my bad luck keeps following me around... :P
[08:51] <shinu> thoreauputic: though i prefer xfce anyways xP
[08:51] <shinu> k, bye
[08:51] <ChrischiO`GER> juhu i worked :)
[08:51] <Chaotic_Shield> bah
[08:52] <PurpleMotion> deprave: it is installable via cvs though
[08:52] <PurpleMotion> deprave: gaim-vv.sf.net
[08:52] <ChrischiO`GER> *it
[08:52] <kemik> PurpleMotion: of futurecrew ?
[08:52] <skalpel> purplemotion: any ideas on how to install splashy? i cannot use synaptic either
[08:52] <Chaotic_Shield> any way to update locate db?
[08:52] <Chaotic_Shield> locate -u or somesuch?
[08:53] <PurpleMotion> skalpel: dpkg -i --force-all splashy.deb
[08:53] <rob_newbie> I am working on installing xmms from a tarball what am I suppost to type ./configure in??
[08:53] <kemik> Chaotic_Shield: sudo locate -u
[08:53] <thoreauputic> Chaotic_Shield: sudo apdatedb
[08:53] <kemik> Chaotic_Shield: try the man-pages ;)
[08:53] <PurpleMotion> although i get no such errors with splashy
[08:53] <PurpleMotion> odd
[08:53] <thoreauputic> Chadza: sorry typo sudo updatedb
[08:53] <skalpel> purplemotion: dpkg: error processing splashy.deb (--install):
[08:53] <skalpel> cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[08:53] <kemik> rob_newbie: apt-get install xmms instead, always the better option
[08:53] <calamari> seveas: thanks a lot for your help, btw :)
[08:53] <PurpleMotion> well you're gonna have to change it to the actual name of the .deb file
[08:54] <ChrischiO`GER> how can i make a link to my mounted drive on my desktop?
[08:54] <skalpel> purplemotion: k, i did =) forgive me, im new to linux
[08:54] <PurpleMotion> it's all good
[08:54] <kemik> rob_newbie: but concerning your question, you open a terminalwindow, goto the folder where you've unpacked the tarball and type ./configure
[08:54] <skalpel> purpemotion: k, that worked. how do i configure it now?
[08:54] <ChrischiO`GER> dont tell me to make a dir and mount it there..
[08:54] <rob_newbie> Ahh K
[08:54] <noname> yay
[08:54] <PurpleMotion> skalpel: man splashy... alternatively take a look in /etc/splashy
[08:55] <rob_newbie> so what is better about apt anyway
[08:55] <PurpleMotion> particularly at /etc/splashy/config.xml
[08:55] <kemik> rob_newbie: everything
[08:55] <PurpleMotion> I heart apt
[08:55] <Chaotic_Shield> ChrischiO`GER, make a link that points to wherever you mounted the drive to.
[08:55] <ChrischiO`GER> how?
[08:55] <thoreauputic> ChrischiO`GER: middle mouse button drag the mount point icon to the desktop and choose to make a link, if I remember correctly
[08:55] <PurpleMotion> okay, im gonna go watch herbie... talk to you guys later
[08:56] <skalpel> purplemotion: thank you for your help
[08:56] <kemik> rob_newbie: only time you wanna compile stuff is when it's not available as a .deb package or in the apt-repositories ;)
[08:56] <PurpleMotion> netime, man
[08:56] <ChrischiO`GER> ah ok
[08:56] <ChrischiO`GER> can i do links manually too???
[08:56] <rob_newbie> kemik: LOL well I found it in a deb but am equally lost there too
[08:56] <ChrischiO`GER> make one and then specify a target?
[08:57] <kemik> rob_newbie: try "sudo apt-get install xmms" (without the quotes)
[08:57] <kemik> rob_newbie: installing a .deb package is: "dpkg -i name.deb"
[08:57] <ChrischiO`GER> like chaotic told
[08:57] <thoreauputic> ChrischiO`GER: sure, you can do a link in terminal with ln -s (see man ln )
[08:57] <ChrischiO`GER> hm
[08:57] <topyli> rob_newbie: really, you should use apt-get since xmms is in the ubuntu universe
[08:58] <J_P> I not like users have root access, then I remove all from admin group and I change root password. But when I try change some preferences gnome show me one window for enter with user passowrd. Is possible change for accept root password for change preferences ?
[08:58] <ChrischiO`GER> but i could also make a dir and mount my drive there??
[08:58] <rob_newbie> hmmm
[08:58] <topyli> skalpel: the splashy deb fails here too. i guess i'll build a new one
[08:58] <ChrischiO`GER> ..on my desktop?
[08:58] <rob_newbie> I am so new to this
[08:59] <rob_newbie> I like it but Am confused
[08:59] <loorni> How can i erase my PPPoE connection
[08:59] <loorni> ?
[08:59] <kemik> rob_newbie: im assuming you've not touched the /etc/apt/sources.list file, a suggestion is to edit that file and remove the # infront of the universe/multiverse repositories, in a termina type "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list"
[08:59] <Seveas> J_P, whoah you're not making sense there. Can you rephrase that question please
[08:59] <J_P> Seveas: ok!
[08:59] <thoreauputic> ChrischiO`GER: you can mount filesystems on the desktop if you wish, yes -but making links is the approved/better way
[08:59] <kemik> rob_newbie: after that is done, type "sudo apt-get update" "sudo apt-get install xmms"
[08:59] <DekaPink> NeroLinux is pretty. :3
[09:00] <Chaotic_Shield> thoreauputic, you know where apt-get installs programs? /usr/bin?
[09:00] <Chaotic_Shield> nvm.
[09:00] <rob_newbie> kemik: ????? brb
[09:00] <Chaotic_Shield> it is.
[09:00] <kemik> DekaPink: nerolinux is ok, but growisofs works for .img files which Nero does not :)
[09:00] <thoreauputic> Chaotic_Shield: to see where a package is installed type dpkg -L <package>
[09:00] <skalpel> topyli: i got it to work using purplemotions last command recommendation, i now have it installed
[09:00] <kemik> rob_newbie: i'm leaving in about 5minutes
[09:00] <ChrischiO`GER> and links stay on my desk after reboot .. and mounts i have to make evertime new if they are not written in fstab???
[09:01] <DekaPink> kemik, not a problem for me yet... Since I've never had to use any .img files. :3
[09:01] <J_P> Seveas: I click system->admin-> config_my_init_session and show message "Please enter your password for run gdmsetup". but i like password accept is only root password..
[09:01] <kemik> DekaPink: lucky you;) just remember that growisofs works for them aswell when the time comes ;)
[09:01] <topyli> skalpel: the comment about you using an incorrect filename?
[09:01] <thoreauputic> ChrischiO`GER: that's what /etc/fstab is for: so you don't have to manually mount stuff all the time if you don't want to
[09:01] <Chaotic_Shield> I heart locate -ucl 0
[09:02] <ChrischiO`GER> ok
[09:02] <J_P> Seveas: i change root password using #passwd root; and i get out all users from admin group. Becouse i not like users have access to suso
[09:02] <DekaPink> kemik: What would one need .img files for? :)
[09:02] <J_P> Seveas: understand now ?
[09:02] <Seveas> J_P, yep
[09:02] <skalpel> topyli: yes
[09:02] <kemik> DekaPink: DVD and CD imagefiles
[09:03] <DekaPink> kemik: Okey dokey. :3
[09:03] <Seveas> J_P, you can specify that in /etc/sudoers
[09:03] <J_P> Seveas: how i do for i write root password for setup preferences and not user password ?
[09:03] <skalpel> topyli: use dpkg -i --force-all splashy.deb substituting splashy.deb for the package name
[09:03] <Seveas> J_P, that file is just a pain in the ass to edit
[09:03] <catolh> Is the amsn site down?
[09:03] <Seveas> hang on
[09:03] <kemik> J_P: only edit sudoers with "visudo"
[09:03] <skalpel> topyli: it worked over here
[09:03] <kemik> it's a picky file, and you DONT want to mess it up
[09:03] <J_P> Seveas: humm
[09:04] <topyli> skalpel: ahh, force. i guess i'd rather build from the debian source
[09:04] <Seveas> J_P, try this command: EDITOR=gedit sudo visudo
[09:04] <DekaPink> I decided to get nerolinux to see if it would work for better than gnomebaker and k3b, which always error right at the end of writing a CD. :3
[09:04] <Seveas> J_P, that opens an editor window
[09:04] <onur> I tried to add the repos in http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories but they dont seem work furthermore referring that page i am trying to install flashplayer with sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla but it says theres no such package, am i doing something wrong ?
[09:04] <Chaotic_Shield> http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/?t=archives&date=2005-08-01 <--- HAHAHAHAH
[09:04] <Seveas> J_P, did that work?
[09:04] <ohay> can someone help me with something? I've just installed Ubuntu 5.04 on a machine which already has others distros and selected the existing /home partition as Ubuntu's home partition
[09:05] <thoreauputic> onur: did you run sudo apt-get update after editing the file?
[09:05] <topyli> onur: yes, you're getting help from a page that's incorrect :)
[09:05] <Chaotic_Shield> ohay, well that wasn't very smart was it?
[09:05] <ohay> the problem is that it doesn't allow writing on /home, and I can't understand why
[09:05] <J_P> Seveas: yes, but i not understand how do now for accept only root password ? becouse root are in /etc/sudoers
[09:05] <onur> thoreauputic, no i'll do right now
[09:05] <onur> topyli, are u sure ?
[09:05] <topyli> ohay: your user id is different on different systems
[09:06] <topyli> onur: no. but the guide is known to be wrong sometimes
[09:06] <Seveas> J_P, hang on :)
[09:06] <thoreauputic> ohay: probably your user has a different uid on the other distros
[09:06] <Seveas> J_P, search for the line that starts with Defaults:
[09:06] <Seveas> paste that line in here
[09:06] <ohay> topyli: but I'm using diferent users
[09:06] <onur> topyli, but it mentioned to run update, somehow i missed it, my fault it was
[09:07] <Chaotic_Shield> anyone know where to get more login themes?
[09:07] <topyli> ohay: hmm., well that's different
[09:07] <topyli> onur: oh, that happens too :)
[09:07] <Seveas> Chaotic_Shield, art.gnome.org / gnome-look.org
[09:07] <J_P> Seveas: # Defaults
[09:07] <J_P> Defaults !lecture,tty_tickets,!fqdn
[09:07] <shinu> oh yes, i have another question 8)
[09:07] <calamari> hi
[09:07] <Seveas> J_P good
[09:07] <ohay> since Ubuntu doesn't come with an enabled root acount I'm trying to create a folder for my user
[09:07] <Seveas> you need to change that line
[09:07] <shinu> how do i put xfce4 as my default wm?
[09:07] <J_P> Seveas: for waht ?
[09:07] <calamari> I've upgraded to Hoary, and I lost all my menus from Warty .. can I get them back?
[09:07] <J_P> for what ?
[09:07] <Seveas> Defaults !lecture,tty_tickets,!fqdn,rootpw
[09:08] <Seveas> that
[09:08] <ohay> just by typing mkdir user_name
[09:08] <Seveas> so add ,rootpw
[09:08] <J_P> Seveas: ok, goin to test
[09:08] <thoreauputic> shinu: in the login screen when you select it from Sessions, it should ask you if you want it as default
[09:08] <Seveas> J_P good luck :)
[09:08] <Seveas> J_P, but!!!
[09:08] <thoreauputic> shinu: when you login
[09:08] <catolh> i just got this error configuring amsn cvs.. "checking tcl build dir... configure: error: Unable to find Tcl directory or Tcl package is not tcl-dev
[09:08] <catolh> ".. anyone know what might be wrong?
[09:08] <shinu> thoreauputic: k, will try that one
[09:08] <Seveas> keep your user in that file!!
[09:08] <Seveas> otherwise it will not work :)
[09:09] <Spudchat> allright guys one more question
[09:09] <Spudchat> iroffer can be installed in ubuntu correct?
[09:09] <calamari> I've upgraded to Hoary, and I lost all my menus from Warty .. can I get them back?
[09:09] <J_P> Seveas: what ?
[09:09] <J_P> Seveas: not work.. :-(
[09:10] <Seveas> J_P if you remove users or groups from that file it will not work, users still need to be in there in order to be able to run sudo
[09:10] <shammy> hello, i've been trying to install linux on this system for a very long time, unsuccessfully. the problem is the ati video card, and getting drivers to work with it and a proper xserver config. last night I downloaded damn small linux and burned it to a cd as a livecd, and it works perfectly. Is there anyway I can use this to help figure out how to get Ubuntu to work?
[09:10] <AlexBO> hello evrybody. I've a strange problem.I have copied some files from a cd and now i can't unmount it. "Device is busy": that's impossible! i've fusered it too: nothing.how can i do?
[09:10] <ohay> I can't remember now, but what's the command for changing the owner of a file/folder?
[09:10] <Seveas> J_P, and one more thing: changes become effective only after you closed the editor. simply saving the file is not enough
[09:10] <Seveas> ohay, chown
[09:10] <J_P> Seveas: ok, i only remove user in /etc/group in admin group
[09:11] <shinu> thoreauputic: ok thanks a lot 8)
[09:11] <shinu> k.
[09:11] <J_P> Seveas: i need restart X ?
[09:11] <Seveas> J_P, unfortunately users must be in the admin group to be able to run sudo
[09:11] <shinu> gnights people ^^
[09:11] <thoreauputic> shammy: dsl uses a very basic x-server, not xorg: to get a similar effect you could select the vesa driver in ubuntu
[09:11] <ohay> Seveas: and does it have any parameters like the three permission numbers?
[09:11] <milwatts> hey ppl
[09:11] <shinu> thanks a lot for your help
[09:11] <Seveas> ohay, chown new_owner filename
[09:11] <milwatts> where do i get a print version installation guide of ubuntu?
[09:11] <J_P> Seveas: but i cannot give super user permission for tht user...
[09:12] <Jakestah> I am starting to install ubuntu for the first time and I downloaded the AMD64 installer and it told me my CPU doesn't support long mode and to get a 32bit distro. My friend told me to try the Intelx86 Install but when I burn that ISO to a disk it doesn't read it. It just says it's a blank cd. What is it I should do?
[09:12] <Seveas> J_P, is that user in the admin group?
[09:12] <J_P> Seveas: yes
[09:12] <J_P> Seveas: sorry, now not are mor
[09:12] <shammy> thoreauputic: how do I select the vesa driver?
[09:12] <J_P> Seveas: i get out all user in admin group
[09:12] <thoreauputic> shammy: of course the vesa driver won't give you anything approaching the potential performance of a dedicated driver
[09:12] <Seveas> J_P, if the user is not in the admin group, he cannot run sudo
[09:12] <shinu> gnights
[09:13] <Seveas> J_P, or you must add the user to /etc/sudoers
[09:13] <wabble> anybody with raid1 setup on sil3112 chip here? Wondering about installing the raid1 during install or after.. how to?
[09:13] <shammy> thoreauputic: but atleast it is something, that i can use until i figure out getting the card working
[09:13] <J_P> Seveas: sill be testing..
[09:13] <thoreauputic> shammy: run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and select it
[09:13] <Razor-X> Seveas: I see that doing complex tables in LaTeX is a pretty big pain
[09:13] <shammy> thoreauputic: ok thanks
[09:13] <thoreauputic> shammy: yeah, it's a starting point
[09:13] <Seveas> Razor-X, even simple tables are a pain :)
[09:13] <Jakestah> Would anybody mind helping me installing. I'm having issues : (
[09:13] <Razor-X> is there some sort of better environment for tables than tabular? or does it come with a fit-to-page thingie?
[09:13] <Razor-X> Seveas: well, ok, but it's more of a pain than usual ;)
[09:13] <Seveas> there is tabularx
[09:14] <Seveas> that is one with wrapping
[09:14] <Razor-X> ahhh, thank god ;)
[09:14] <Seveas> :D
[09:14] <Razor-X> any different syntax from what I already have?
[09:14] <calamari> is there any way to get my old Warty icons back.. the Hoary icons suck
[09:14] <Seveas> tabularx is a different package
[09:14] <oris_wolfbane> hey guys
[09:14] <Seveas> google CPAN for instructions :)
[09:14] <Razor-X> I mean, some of my lines look good, but the rest are chopped off at the wrong places, and it looks like shit
[09:14] <Razor-X> Seveas: mmmkay ;)
[09:14] <oris_wolfbane> is thera command to reload all the printers/ redo hot plug
[09:14] <milwatts> kubuntu or ubuntu installation is similar?
[09:14] <Seveas> oris_wolfbane, reboot :)
[09:15] <Razor-X> err, CTAN Seveas ;)
[09:15] <Seveas> milwatts, yes
[09:15] <PM-Mewvee> ive come to the conclusion that its not my codecs or players, these two mp4's are both bad
[09:15] <Seveas> Razor-X, ehrm, true :)
[09:15] <milwatts> Seveas thnx :)
[09:15] <milwatts> brb
[09:15] <oris_wolfbane> seveas thats the problem in middle of a huuuuuge compile and dont want to stop
[09:16] <Seveas> oris_wolfbane, then wait for the compile to finish :)
[09:16] <Chaotic_Shield> lol
[09:16] <Chaotic_Shield> is there a way to refresh hotplug though?
[09:16] <oris_wolfbane> seveas, its already been going for 9 hours!
[09:16] <Seveas> oris_wolfbane, there is invoke-rc.d hotplug restart
[09:16] <PurpleMotion> yeah
[09:16] <calamari> please anyone.. where are my Warty menus?
[09:16] <PurpleMotion> killall -1 hotplug
[09:16] <PurpleMotion> or
[09:16] <oris_wolfbane> seveas, thanxs
[09:16] <Seveas> oris_wolfbane, wtf are you compiling? KDE?
[09:16] <calamari> I need stuff off them that Hoary screwed over
[09:16] <PurpleMotion> /etc/init.d/hotplug restart
[09:16] <oris_wolfbane> seaves, openembedded
[09:17] <MartenH> lo all.
[09:17] <Mrk> Hello
[09:17] <Seveas> oris_wolfbane, is that simulator or SDK?
[09:17] <adiabatic> What's the proper way to run a program once a day in Ubuntu? I'm used to using /etc/periodic, but I haven't found it in my install nor through synaptic
[09:17] <oris_wolfbane> the pakages
[09:17] <Seveas> adiabatic, cron
[09:17] <thoreauputic> calamari: I wonder if when you upgraded you didn't have the ubuntu-desktop metapackage installed?
[09:17] <Razor-X> Seveas: when specifying tabularx's width. do I specify it in points? is there any way to specify the whole page minus margins?
[09:17] <PurpleMotion> adiabatic: /etc/cron.daily
[09:17] <adiabatic> thanks
[09:17] <Razor-X> I really don't want to use a spreadsheeting tool, because LaTeX looks so good ;)
[09:17] <Seveas> Razor-X, ENOCLUE, never used it myself :)
[09:17] <calamari> thoreauputic: I did apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[09:18] <Razor-X> Seveas: ahhh, ok, ;)
[09:18] <thoreauputic> calamari: OK
[09:18] <Jakestah> Can someone help me Install ubuntu? It's my first time
[09:18] <Seveas> Jakestah, what's the problem?
[09:18] <Jakestah> I am starting to install ubuntu for the first time and I downloaded the AMD64 installer and it told me my CPU doesn't support long mode and to get a 32bit distro. My friend told me to try the Intelx86 Install but when I burn that ISO to a disk it doesn't read it. It just says it's a blank cd. What is it I should do?
[09:18] <Jakestah> By the way I have an AMD 3000+ Processor
[09:18] <Seveas> Jakestah, hmm, are you sure the cd is burnt right (ie: can you see files on it in windows?)
[09:18] <Jakestah> No I can't
[09:19] <thoreauputic> Jakestah: did you burn the CD as an iso image?
[09:19] <Jakestah> I tried reburning like 5 times with different programs
[09:19] <calamari> thoreauputic: so I've lost my menus completely then?
[09:19] <Jakestah> Yes I did
[09:19] <Seveas> Jakestah, maybe the .iso file is nad
[09:19] <Seveas> bad*
[09:19] <Jakestah> Maybe.
[09:19] <Seveas> check the md5 sum
[09:19] <Jakestah> Ok wheres that at?
[09:19] <thoreauputic> calamari: I don't know, sorry
[09:19] <shammy> thoreauputic: what was the command to reconfig xserver? I usually use xorgcfg -textmode but it doesn't give the option to use vesa.
[09:19] <Seveas> !md5sum
[09:19] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, Seveas
[09:19] <hammer3008> can anyone help me with installing ubuntu...i am now using xp
[09:20] <thoreauputic> shammy: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:20] <shammy> thanks
[09:20] <Jakestah> Thanks!
[09:20] <Razor-X> Seveas: do you know how much space you have without the margins on a LaTeX letterpaper ?
[09:20] <Jakestah> !md5sum
[09:20] <ubotu> Jakestah: I give up, what is it?
[09:20] <hammer3008> and tell me why i should install ubuntu will it run faster.
[09:21] <thoreauputic> hammer3008: no spyware, no viruses, complete freedom to do as you wish with the OS ...
[09:21] <Razor-X> hammer3008: Linux in general will run faster, your network speeds can become faster (my Linux box seems to get more throughput from the same connection versus the Windows equilavent), it's more powerful than Windows, and almost everything is no cost
[09:22] <Razor-X> you also have the advantages of an almost virus-free environment, and an adware/spyware-free environment
[09:22] <popey> ..and a warm fuzzy feeling inside
[09:22] <Razor-X> yes that too ;)
[09:22] <Razor-X> and you get to learn something -- although I suspect that's more of a detractor for most ;)
[09:23] <hammer3008> can you still use torrents on linux
[09:23] <thoreauputic> and you get to make rude jestures in the direction of Redmond *grin*
[09:23] <wabble> i cant get raid1 to work on install and get error 18 from grub, anybody?
[09:23] <popey> download torrents? yes
[09:23] <thoreauputic> *gestures
[09:23] <calamari> how do I edit my menus.. is it Applications:/// ?
[09:23] <calamari> (that's not working(
[09:23] <hammer3008> ok now how do i install it the file that i downloaded is alittle bigger than 2gigs
[09:23] <thoreauputic> hammer3008: torrents were an open source invention
[09:24] <hammer3008> and i dont know what to put on cd
[09:24] <popey> install what?
[09:24] <thoreauputic> hammer3008: 2 Gigs ? Was it a DVD or something?
[09:24] <popey> it may be multiple ISOs
[09:24] <popey> fedora do that with their torrents
[09:24] <hammer3008> i tried to put the launch on a cd and reboot with the cd
[09:25] <popey> one torrent, 4 isos
[09:25] <hammer3008> i got it from the ubuntu site
[09:25] <popey> what files do you have?
[09:25] <popey> are they .iso files?
[09:25] <BobaFett> Hey guys, anyone knows what 'gst-register' is? i can't run rhythmbox because of a 'scheduler' issue :(
[09:26] <Razor-X> back
[09:26] <uber_newber> can sum1 please help me install my toshiba usb fdd kit
[09:26] <Razor-X> hammer3008: download torrents? hah
[09:26] <thoreauputic> BobaFett: have you run ' gst-register0.8 ' ?
[09:26] <hammer3008> what is so funny
[09:26] <Razor-X> a great majority of torrents around the internet are Linux isos
[09:26] <uber_newber> can sum1 please help me install my toshiba usb fdd kit, im running ubuntu 5.04
[09:26] <hammer3008> i didnt know that
[09:26] <Razor-X> most of the larger torrents are large Linux distributions
[09:26] <wabble> and the rest is movies and such
[09:27] <Razor-X> exactly
[09:27] <Razor-X> ;)
[09:27] <BobaFett> thoreauputic: Nopes, but tried just now and I get the 'command not found' thingie from the bash :(
[09:27] <BobaFett> thoreauputic: what's that? i've never had that problem before :(
[09:27] <popey> it's gst-register-0.8
[09:27] <popey> note the extra minus sign
[09:27] <thoreauputic> BobaFett: hmm - it should be there - try typing gst-reg <tab>
[09:28] <thoreauputic> popey: ah yes you are right
[09:28] <catolh> is the amsn that supports webcam in ubuntu's repository?
[09:28] <BobaFett> thoreauputic: I just ran gst-register-0.8 and it seems to be doing something :)
[09:28] <thoreauputic> BobaFett: sorry my bad
[09:28] <thoreauputic> popey: thanks
[09:28] <popey> catolh: i don't think it does
[09:28] <popey> np
[09:28] <catolh> popey, ok, so i need to install from cvs?
[09:28] <popey> dunno, i use gaim
[09:28] <wabble> so is there anybody here who knows installing a raid1 set via the ubuntuinstaller now? sil3112
[09:28] <BobaFett> thoreauputic: I got 'loaded 148 plugins with 490 features'...and rhythmbox runs again! :)
[09:29] <popey> wabble: yes
[09:29] <popey> wabble: i did it yesterday
[09:29] <thoreauputic> BobaFett: :)
[09:29] <popey> wabble: what you wanna know?
[09:29] <BobaFett> Thanks a bunch, guys! :) :)
[09:29] <wabble> popey, howto
[09:29] <wabble> :p
[09:29] <uber_newber> can sum1 please help me install my toshiba usb fdd kit, im running ubuntu 5.04. my laptop is a toshiba tecra 8000 2 processor
[09:29] <hammer3008> .disk,bin,casper,disctree,dists,doc,install,isolinux,pics,pool,preseed,programs,tools,autorun,md5sum,README,start,start,start,ubuntu.
[09:29] <icewt> catolh, it is
[09:29] <thoreauputic> BobaFett: you're welcome
[09:29] <Razor-X> uber_newber: what's a fdd kit?
[09:29] <hammer3008> those are tghe names of the files and folders that i have
[09:29] <popey> wabble: i used boot: server-expert
[09:29] <uber_newber> a floppy disk drive
[09:29] <catolh> icewt, what version is it?
[09:30] <uber_newber> cuz i dont have one built into my laptop
[09:30] <Razor-X> uber_newber: so, it's a USB Floppy Drive?
[09:30] <Razor-X> ;)
[09:30] <hammer3008> .disk,bin,casper,disctree,dists,doc,install,isolinux,pics,pool,preseed,programs,tools,autorun,md5sum,README,start,start,start,ubuntu.
[09:30] <wabble> popey, ok.. i just used the server, but you do it from the manual pratitioning tool?
[09:30] <popey> wabble: yes
[09:30] <uber_newber> Razor-X: correct
[09:30] <Razor-X> have you tried ``hotplug'', uber_newber ?
[09:30] <crimsun> hammer3008: any reason you keep pasting that?
[09:30] <jipitore> in first time sorry for my english
[09:30] <popey> crimsun: he has downloaded an ubuntu iso and wants to know how to install
[09:30] <Madpilot> hammer3008: you don't open the ISO, you just burn the whole thing to a CD as an ISO
[09:30] <Razor-X> hammer3008: if you want to check the integrity of your CD, don't paste that here, check the md5sum of the CD
[09:30] <uber_newber> Razor-X: i dont even know what hotplug is
[09:30] <icewt> catolh, er.. or maybe it isn't a versiont that supports webcam, don't know.
[09:30] <popey> Crane: i asked what was in the iso
[09:30] <uber_newber> Razor-X: im a complete newb
[09:31] <Razor-X> uber_newber: in a terminal type in ``hotplug''
[09:31] <uber_newber> k
[09:31] <jipitore> anybody was configured a tv card with chip conexant 878
[09:31] <jipitore> ?
[09:31] <Razor-X> oh wow, my new headphones are incredible
[09:31] <icewt> catolh, http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/x11/amsn
[09:31] <thoreauputic> hammer3008: I'm not sure you have the right download there... most people download the CD iso for the installation CD
[09:31] <wabble> popey, so how do i set it up? i set up the scsi2 as a raid disk and copy the content from scsi1?
[09:31] <popey> wabble: no
[09:31] <popey> wabble: you have two disks the same yes?
[09:31] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: you want to get the iso, and then burn the iso onto the CD using a burning program that supports ISOs
[09:32] <popey> wabble: create two partitions, one on each disk
[09:32] <wabble> popey, yes
[09:32] <Razor-X> (which is the majority of burning programs out there, free or not)
[09:32] <popey> wabble: that are the same size
[09:32] <wabble> both primarys?
[09:32] <popey> wabble: then there's an option at the top of the partitioner to create raid
[09:32] <hammer3008> the whole thing is too big what do i download to the cd
[09:32] <Madpilot> hammer3008: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BurningIsoHowto <-- has info on burning Ubuntu ISOs
[09:32] <hammer3008> i have nero
[09:32] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: I assume that was meant for hammer3008 ?
[09:32] <popey> wabble: you create an md device, it's pretty simple from there
[09:32] <popey> then select the partition (the raid one that gets created) and make it /
[09:33] <thoreauputic> !download
[09:33] <ubotu> I heard download is get Ubuntu LiveCD & install ISOs at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/ and if you need information on burning ISOs, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BurningIsoHowto
[09:33] <thoreauputic> hammer3008: ^^^
[09:33] <wabble> popey, but the partitions i create.. do i set them as primarys?
[09:33] <Madpilot> hammer3008: it shouldn't be too big. the Ubuntu install is 586Mb, the live CD is 625Mb roughly
[09:33] <popey> ummm, it's all getting kinda hazy now
[09:33] <popey> i just created one big partition
[09:33] <wabble> popey, i have to create two "physical volume for raid"?
[09:33] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: yeah, it was
[09:33] <popey> yes
[09:33] <wabble> popey, ok
[09:34] <Razor-X> hammer3008: then use nero to open the ISO file
[09:34] <wabble> popey, do i enable the bootable flag on any of the drives?
[09:34] <popey> can't remember
[09:34] <wabble> ok
[09:34] <Razor-X> go to Nero Burning Rom, hit the ``Open'' button, now in the filetypes drop box, select ``Image files (*.iso) and open the iso
[09:34] <Razor-X> (if you don't know how, that is)
[09:35] <calamari> how do I edit my menus?
[09:35] <thoreauputic> !smeg
[09:35] <ubotu> well, smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[09:35] <thoreauputic> calamari: ^^^
[09:35] <Razor-X> and, calamari, thank Amaranth after that ;)
[09:35] <Razor-X> (since he made it)
[09:36] <thoreauputic> indeed
[09:37] <wabble> popey, think i got it figured out. Thanks for the help, hope i wont see the error 18 from grub anymore :)
[09:38] <calamari> thanks Amaranth .. but I don't see any comment by you :)
[09:38] <wabble> popey, hold on. it crashed haha
[09:38] <BrianB04> Afternoon all.
[09:40] <flodine> hello
[09:40] <speel> hi
[09:40] <Camo> yo
[09:40] <speel> yo
[09:40] <flodine> no one talking'
[09:40] <flodine> why
[09:40] <catolh> erhm..
[09:40] <speel> no humans
[09:40] <Camo> 1 op... 536 others
[09:40] <flodine> is everthing fixed
[09:40] <Camo> whoas
[09:40] <wabble> i can talk about me not getting raid1 to work
[09:41] <catolh> bash: cvs: command not found..
[09:41] <catolh> wtf?
[09:41] <crimsun> install it
[09:41] <Camo> i can rant about how we dont have good 64-bit flash?
[09:41] <catolh> yeah, figured that much.. but thanks.. heh :)
[09:41] <calamari> wait.. so it's no longer possible to Run Applications:/// or whatever it was, to edit menus ?
[09:41] <nox> catolh, sudo apt-get install cvs?
[09:41] <crimsun> calamari: not in Hoary, no.
[09:41] <samu> why does the users command make it seem like theres three of me logged in?
[09:42] <calamari> crimsun: is this a bug or on purpose?
[09:42] <Distro^Junkie> is the latest kubuntu buggy or stable ?
[09:42] <Seveas> samu, you probably have 2 terminals open :)
[09:42] <crimsun> calamari: on purpose.
[09:42] <speel> on purpose to make us all mad
[09:42] <Seveas> Distro^Junkie, Kubuntu Hoary is rock solid
[09:42] <nox> samu, gnome runs on its own user
[09:42] <calamari> no wonder my menus are gone :(
[09:42] <speel> lol
[09:42] <Distro^Junkie> ok Seveas
[09:42] <Camo> anyone use the I386 liveCD yet? how fast does it start on somewhere around P3-P4 processor?
[09:42] <samu> oh, so its like i log in to the system another time for every terminal?
[09:43] <Seveas> Camo, a few minutes (much too long, it's being worked on)
[09:43] <Camo> k.. thx
[09:43] <speel> wow 1st time ive seen a real op in here
[09:43] <Camo> thats alot of people for just 1 person to be OP
[09:43] <Camo> make me op ^_^
[09:44] <linukso> Seveas: is it possible to remove lvm, raid and evm from boot?
[09:44] <linukso> or anyone else?
[09:44] <uber_newber> whtas the commands to get to the video resolution configuration
[09:44] <shinu> im back again 8)
[09:45] <shinu> how can i change my keyboard mapping from gb to us?
[09:45] <zAo^> uber_newber, sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:45] <uber_newber> zAo^: thank u
[09:45] <zAo^> uber_newber, edit the 'highest' reso at the default depth!
[09:45] <LasseL> uber_newber, try the System > Preferences menu first :)
[09:46] <Camo> <3 ubuntu
[09:46] <zAo^> agree ^^
[09:46] <uber_newber> Lassel: tried that already but thanx :)
[09:46] <jipitore> anybody was configured a tv card in ubuntu?
[09:46] <LasseL> jipitore, I am trying :)
[09:46] <jipitore> and?
[09:47] <john_> hi everybody
[09:47] <LasseL> jipitore, mine worked with xawtv out of the box
[09:47] <john_> hi dr nick
[09:47] <raDeon> what's the difference between JuK and amaroK
[09:47] <speel> Seveas, you should put ubuntuguide.org in the topic line
[09:47] <LasseL> jipitore, but getting mythtv up and running is arcane
[09:47] <jipitore> lasset, sorry for my englis, i'm spanish
[09:47] <Seveas> speel, nope
[09:47] <Seveas> ubuntuguide is a Bad Thing
[09:47] <jipitore> i show the video but the sound is imposible
[09:48] <linukso> wiki.ubunutu.org is goooood
[09:48] <linukso> :)
[09:48] <jipitore> i have a card with a conexant chip 878 and you?
[09:48] <Burgundavia> jipitore, #ubuntu-es might be able to help you
[09:48] <speel> the wiki is the sloppyest thing ive ever seen
[09:48] <Seveas> speel, then help fixing it...
[09:48] <linukso> speel: then get involved.
[09:48] <LasseL> jipitore, I think I have a brooktree 8x8 chip too
[09:48] <speel> no i hate all wikis
[09:48] <linukso> speel: whats wrong with it?
[09:49] <LasseL> jipitore, the bttv module should be loaded by default by the kernel
[09:49] <speel> ive never been a fan of the wiki i personally thinks its kinda sloppy
[09:49] <LasseL> jipitore, I don't know about sound. My tv card is in a server
[09:49] <shinu> hm...
[09:50] <linukso> speel: hmm, I think that is a rather odd point of view... :)
[09:50] <jipitore> i'm load the bttv module: modprobe bttv card=1 pll=1 tuner=1
[09:50] <raDeon> what's the difference between JuK and amaroK
[09:50] <thoreauputic> raDeon: amarok is better *grin*
[09:50] <jipitore> but the sound don't work
[09:50] <raDeon> how so?
[09:50] <speel> i suppose lol
[09:50] <john_> irc is just miltiplayer notpad
[09:50] <jipitore> i try with xawtv, tvtime, zapping
[09:51] <thoreauputic> raDeon: it was just a joke ;)
[09:51] <LasseL> Seveas, why is it that the topic doesn't mention the national ubuntu channels. Like "Try your #ubuntu-es, -de, -fr, -pt, -dk and so forth for ubuntu support in your own language"
[09:51] <jipitore> the msp3400 is the module sound?
[09:51] <Seveas> LasseL, the topic is not large enough for all of them :)
[09:51] <LasseL> Seveas, still you could shorten them like I did
[09:52] <BrianB04> Got kind of a stupid question: Is the kernel that installs by default in Ubuntu tweaked in any way, or is it a typical debian kernel image?
[09:52] <john_> wanna play pong?
[09:52] <john_> |.
[09:52] <john_> | .
[09:52] <john_> | .
[09:52] <john_> | .
[09:52] <anacron> i installed nvidia drivers to my other computer, and now when it boot's up i can only get white screen and i can't do anything, it totaly hung's up there, i can't use even ctrl+alt+f1, so what should i do now?
[09:52] <john_> |
[09:52] <speel> lol
[09:52] <john_> :(
[09:52] <KamiVIP> hey
[09:52] <speel> woo some one is kick happy
[09:52] <rob_newbie> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[09:52] <rob_newbie> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[09:53] <thoreauputic> rob^: are you using sudo?
[09:53] <KamiVIP> ./charset windows-1250
[09:53] <rob_newbie> what do I do I tried "su" and changing to root
[09:53] <calamari> cool.. menu-editor shows all my old menu stuff
[09:53] <thoreauputic> rob_newbie: no, use sudo
[09:53] <anacron> rob_newbie: use sudo and then command
[09:53] <thoreauputic> !rootsudo
[09:53] <ubotu> from memory, rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:54] <thoreauputic> rob_newbie: it want your password, not a root password, BTW
[09:54] <thoreauputic> *wants
[09:54] <aceb747> hey, just installed ubuntu here
[09:54] <rob_newbie> Ohh Kaaa
[09:54] <zAo^> welcome aceb747 :D
[09:54] <rob_newbie> LOL
[09:55] <rob_newbie> Fun Fun
[09:55] <KamiVIP> am i got some big problems. When i try to install different applications like Quanta i get message that e.g Quanta depends on some others packages (about 8 other packages) but they cant be installed. If i try to install some of those packages which are listed above most of them will depend on some more packages and i will get same message when ill try to install it (xxx depends on xxx package but it cant be installed) any solutions? because i
[09:55] <KamiVIP> cant install most of the software
[09:55] <nox> aceb747, congradulations :P
[09:55] <aceb747> thanks nox
[09:55] <moike> hey
[09:55] <thoreauputic> KamiVIP: your sources are stuffed
[09:55] <moike> what is the ubuntu ppc channel?
[09:55] <KamiVIP> how can i rapir them?
[09:55] <KamiVIP> i tried with apt-get clean
[09:55] <rob_newbie> Thank You all
[09:56] <nox> aceb747, if you have problems, we are all here for you :) also www.ubuntuforums.org and www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:56] <KamiVIP> and then update again but i get same message
[09:56] <linukso> KamiVIP: are you using backport?
[09:56] <rob_newbie> LOL
[09:56] <thoreauputic> KamiVIP: you need to fix your /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:56] <KamiVIP> yes
[09:56] <thoreauputic> KamiVIP: apt-get clean does something else entirely
[09:56] <KamiVIP> i use backports
[09:56] <drkstar> hi, i just installed ubuntu. I think it is recognizing my wireless adapter because it's light is on/blinking and it's getting warm.. but is there an app to manage networks, so i can put in the ssid, channel, wep, ect?
[09:57] <linukso> KamiVIP: are you using the official backports, or from the "old" backports?
[09:57] <thoreauputic> KamiVIP: I suggest you comment backports out and do sudo apt-get update
[09:57] <KamiVIP> thats my sources.list file
[09:57] <KamiVIP> /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:57] <KamiVIP> eh
[09:57] <KamiVIP> am
[09:57] <KamiVIP> i changed it like its written on ubuntuguide
[09:57] <KamiVIP> so thats is
[09:57] <KamiVIP> eb http://si.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[09:57] <KamiVIP> deb-src http://si.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[09:57] <KamiVIP> deb http://si.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[09:57] <KamiVIP> deb-src http://si.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[09:57] <KamiVIP> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[09:57] <KamiVIP> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[09:57] <linukso> not here..! arg, use #flood
[09:58] <thoreauputic> KamiVIP: don't paste in the channel, please!
[09:58] <KamiVIP> k sorry
[09:58] <mark2410> hello i was wondering if any could help
[09:58] <thoreauputic> !paste
[09:58] <ubotu> [paste] please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[09:58] <Random_Sindrom> hi mark2410
[09:58] <mark2410> i cant get a useable display via the live cd ir full install
[09:58] <KamiVIP> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/905
[09:58] <rob_newbie> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[09:58] <KamiVIP> thats its
[09:58] <KamiVIP> my sources.list
[09:58] <rob_newbie> Any suggestions?
[09:59] <Seveas> rob_newbie, sudo aptitude install build-essential
[09:59] <linukso> rob_newbie: get build-essential
[09:59] <thoreauputic> rob_newbie: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[09:59] <Random_Sindrom> build-essential
[09:59] <thoreauputic> hheh
[09:59] <anacron> why i can't get help like that :<
[10:00] <eyequeue> okay, that was "fun"
[10:00] <eyequeue> someone just crashed a car into my house
[10:00] <Random_Sindrom> mark2410: what do you mean "live cd in full install"?
[10:00] <KamiVIP> lol
[10:00] <anacron> :DDD
[10:00] <mark2410> oops that should be or
[10:00] <ma3x> eyequeue, how come that happened?
[10:00] <ma3x> eyequeue, are you serious?
[10:00] <anacron> what did it feel like?
[10:00] <eyequeue> tally: car - not drivable buit repairable; house, structurally instact but needs some repairs; ost important: humans okay
[10:01] <mark2410> have tried all resolution options and get the same result each time
[10:01] <nox> eyequeue, what the FSCK?!
[10:01] <eyequeue> nox: yeah really
[10:01] <nox> you live in a one story house?
[10:01] <eyequeue> two
[10:01] <KamiVIP> any ideas then? (http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/905 = sources.list)
[10:01] <anacron> mark2410: did you try doing it with sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or what?
[10:01] <raDeon> LMAO HE SAID FSCK
[10:02] <nox> raDeon, no swearing in the channel :P
[10:02] <linukso> KamiVIP: try this: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/906
[10:02] <mark2410> i did well not in root though
[10:02] <eyequeue> can't really attribute the cause to anything other than "elderly woman driving" i guess
[10:02] <eyequeue> she didn't ave a medical incident or anything that caused it, i checked
[10:02] <KamiVIP> thanks gonna try it
[10:02] <mark2410> it went throught the process fine but in the end x just refused to start
[10:02] <eyequeue> oh well, keeps the day interesting ;)
[10:03] <linukso> KamiVIP: ah, sorry one little error!
[10:03] <deprave> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[10:03] <KamiVIP> oh
[10:03] <thoreauputic> deprave: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[10:03] <KamiVIP> whats the error?
[10:03] <deprave> thanks brotherman
[10:03] <raven3x7> hey guys im trying to compile a pckage. but im getting an error in .configure . can anybody help out
[10:03] <linukso> just, updated. its http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/907
[10:03] <KamiVIP> thanks
[10:04] <linukso> KamiVIP: that should resolve some of you dep.errors...
[10:04] <KamiVIP> so i just replace mirros in sources.list and i do apt-get update ?
[10:04] <nox> KamiVIP, whats the problem?
[10:04] <linukso> yes
[10:04] <linukso> its the same, just changed the backport mirror to the official
[10:05] <KamiVIP> k
[10:05] <KamiVIP> am nox
[10:05] <KamiVIP> am i got some big problems. When i try to install different applications like Quanta i get message that e.g Quanta depends on some others packages (about 8 other packages) but they cant be installed. If i try to install some of those packages which are listed above most of them will depend on some more packages and i will get same message when ill try to install it (xxx depends on xxx package but it cant be installed) any solutions? because i
[10:05] <KamiVIP> cant install most of the software
[10:05] <raven3x7> configure: error: Library requirements (libgnomeui-2.0) not met; consider adjust but libgnomeui exist although it 2.10.0 in ubuntu
[10:06] <nox> KamiVIP, there are packages that can`t work with other packages installed
[10:06] <thoreauputic> MarkShuttleworth: nice nick ;) only he doesn't use that one ;-)
[10:06] <MarkShuttleworth> har har
[10:06] <fredforfaen> KamiVIP had the same trouble after i installed a bad pkg...i had to reinstall...but im a noob so dont listen to me
[10:06] <ubuntu_> jhdjhasd
[10:06] <ubuntu_> jkqejkqwermads
[10:06] <KamiVIP> well message says that application depends on some x libs which cant be installed
[10:06] <dArtagnan> some? always be exact :)
[10:06] <raven3x7> KamiVIP, are you using marillat or backports
[10:06] <nox> KamiVIP, use screem instead of quanta
[10:07] <nox> raven3x7, marillat is for debian
[10:07] <KamiVIP> my sources.list
[10:07] <KamiVIP> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/904
[10:07] <raven3x7> nox i know
[10:07] <imper> hej
[10:07] <KamiVIP> another guy said i should use this http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/907
[10:07] <linukso> imper: hey
[10:08] <raven3x7> anybody experienced with solving ./configure errors?
[10:08] <nickrud> KamiVIP, I like the new list :)
[10:08] <linukso> raven3x7: yes
[10:08] <cafuego> raven3x7: Such as? What are you compiling?
[10:08] <topyli> raven3x7: more than enough :)
[10:08] <BockBilbo> hey
[10:08] <linukso> autoconf is my middle name...
[10:08] <KamiVIP> it works with new sources.list
[10:08] <KamiVIP> thanks all:)
[10:08] <linukso> KamiVIP: np
[10:08] <drkstar> is there an app to manage wireless networks that comes with ubuntu?
[10:08] <raven3x7> cbrpager its for viewing cbr comic books
[10:09] <cafuego> drkstar: The network util in the gnome top panel, in theory.
[10:09] <linukso> just paste the error in pastebin, and we'll see if we can help you
[10:09] <drkstar> cafuego: thanks
[10:09] <raven3x7> KamiVIP, your troubles were probably caused by backports
[10:10] <KamiVIP> oh
[10:10] <KamiVIP> corrupted files there?
[10:10] <BockBilbo> i have a problem with the name of some files i have on my system. They are encoded in a wrong way and nautilus doesnt show up the correct characters for .... anyone knows if there is a tool for fixing all the name of the wrong files?
[10:10] <raven3x7> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/908
[10:11] <BockBilbo> (so i dont have to search for them and fix them manually)
[10:11] <cafuego> !find libgnomeui
[10:11] <MarkShuttleworth> seveas your fired
[10:11] <cafuego> raven3x7: libgnomeui-dev
[10:11] <linukso> raven3x7: sudo aptitude install libgnomeui-dev
[10:11] <raven3x7> KamiVIP, no some backports may screw up dependencies due to installing newer packages
[10:12] <raven3x7> stupid me
[10:13] <raven3x7> thanks btw
[10:13] <thoreauputic> Seveas: a little harsh for a harmless prank, surely ? ;)
[10:14] <deprave> *** exact error that occurred. This usually means GLIB is incorrectly installed.configure: error:
[10:14] <deprave> *** GLib 2.0 is required to build Gaim; please make sure you have the GLib
[10:14] <Raf99> hey everyone. does FAQ cover installing nvidia linux drivers ? or can someone please help.
[10:14] <thoreauputic> !drivers
[10:14] <ubotu> drivers is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com//BinaryDriverHowto
[10:15] <ma3x> yo
[10:15] <ma3x> phukers
[10:15] <ma3x> how to install gstreamer
[10:15] <topyli> deprave: you need the development package. anyway, why are you building gaim when there are packages already?
[10:15] <raven3x7> ma3x, gstreamer is installed by default
[10:15] <deprave> topyli : it's gaim-VV
[10:15] <topyli> ah
[10:15] <Raf99> thanx ubotu.
[10:16] <linukso> ma3x: user synaptic from System->Admin menu
[10:16] <deprave> i installed build-essential
[10:16] <deprave> =-(
[10:16] <topyli> deprave: glib-dev or similar
[10:16] <ma3x> linukso, what's the package name dood?
[10:16] <linukso> deprave: you need lots of -dev-packages... just start searching
[10:17] <deprave> this is a lot of work to see irc girl boobies on gaim!
[10:17] <topyli> ma3x: how about you search for gstreamer0.8
[10:17] <thoreauputic> deprave: apt-get build-dep gaim might help
[10:17] <deprave> this is gaim-vv tho
[10:18] <deprave> because Razor-X went to go build me a plugin and he never did!
[10:18] <linukso> deprave: if you dump the entire output of ./configure in pastebin, it would help a lot.
[10:18] <topyli> deprave: might help still :)
[10:18] <cefx> Question. Why can't Ubuntu find 90% of the packages that are mentioned in the Ubuntu Guide?
[10:18] <psychonate> what is gaim-VV?
[10:18] <thoreauputic> deprave: yeah - I just thought it might get some deps for you
[10:18] <Raf99> when installing linux driver (which is a simple sh "file"), its telling me to exit X-server. Is this implying to exit the GUI and be at a root terminal ?
[10:18] <cafuego> cefx: Do you have universe and mltiverse anbled in sources.list?
[10:18] <PurpleMotion> psychonate: it's a version of gaim that supports msn voice and video, and aims to support them for yahoo and aim as well
[10:18] <linukso> cefx: because ubuntuguide is not an official part of the ubuntu distro...
[10:18] <holycow> Raf99, yes, but ... what is the driver for?
[10:18] <holycow> nvidia drivers maybe?
[10:18] <thoreauputic> cefx: because you haven't configured your sources correctly
[10:18] <rob_lt> psychonate: doesn't google work for you?
[10:18] <psychonate> PurpleMotion, sounds complicated heh
[10:18] <holycow> if its nvidia drivers, use the ubuntu packages, it will make your life a lot easier
[10:19] <topyli> cefx: because you haven't enabled all the repositories that the guide assumes. also, the guide might just as well be incorrect
[10:19] <cefx> cafuego, ah!\
[10:19] <raven3x7> cefx what packages you mean?
[10:19] <cafuego> !repos
[10:19] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:19] <psychonate> rob_lt, no, it doesn't, but I can still manage to find assholes heh
[10:19] <Raf99> holycow, just the linux driver from nvidia site for geforce2mx i got here.
[10:19] <PurpleMotion> psychonate: yeah, but if they get it working, it will surplant everything as the best messenger program in existance :)
[10:19] <psychonate> funny how that works
[10:19] <sravi> Is it possible to gain a remote "tty" session, or only locally (not pts)?
[10:19] <rob_lt> psychonate: heh
[10:19] <Razor-X> what are the processors that support mmx2?
[10:19] <Distro^Junkie> can i update to the new kubuntu version from the old cd ? or is it best to download the new one ?
[10:19] <raDeon> LMAO "TTY"
[10:19] <cefx> duh
[10:19] <raven3x7> cfx you may need to add srepositories to your souces.list
[10:19] <PurpleMotion> Razor-X: everything from p-3 on
[10:19] <deprave> and i can see irc girl's boobies!
[10:19] <cefx> Sorry guys :) I seem to suffer from a kind of retardation :P
[10:19] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: how 'bout SSE ?
[10:19] <[set] > does anyone know how to run the setup files of a linux distro cd after booted from floppy and are in this position now boot
[10:19] <psychonate> PurpleMotion, I didn't even know they were using voice and video nowadays in messengers :(
[10:19] <[set] > the cd wouldn't boot, so i did the floppy boot and now i am at boot: i dont have linux installed on that harddrive, but i do have the cd with setup.. how do i proceed?
[10:19] <PurpleMotion> dunno, same i think
[10:19] <rob_lt> psychonate: well, I guess I can excuse you if google is not working for you, otherwise I would think you were just lazy and wasting people's time
[10:20] <f_newton> ya know, the more I use ubuntu the more I like it...
[10:20] <PurpleMotion> psychonate: for some time now
[10:20] <cafuego> Raf99: That driver is already in ubuntu, don't install nvidias .run file.
[10:20] <deprave> Razor-X : where is my plugins for gaim slacker?! =>
[10:20] <uber_newber> Razor-X: i typed in hotplug and nuthing happend
[10:20] <raven3x7> Raf99, why dont u use the ubuntu driver?
[10:20] <Razor-X> raDeon: the abbreviation ``tty'' has been there almost as girls have
[10:20] <Razor-X> deprave: meh
[10:20] <Razor-X> uber_newber: try and mount it after that
[10:20] <Raf99> ok. thanx for clearing the confusion cafuego.
[10:20] <psychonate> rob_lt, I'm just lazy and wasting people's time. I hope that makes you feel better.
[10:20] <uber_newber> Razor-X: how do i do that
[10:20] <PurpleMotion> that just confused me more... why would you not use the official nvidia driver?
[10:21] <f_newton> well it makes ME feel better
[10:21] <catolh> is it possible to get the CVS version of aMSN to dock in systray?
[10:21] <sravi> So is it possible to start a TTY session onther than CTRL-ALT-F1/2/3.. ?
[10:21] <vpalle> Hello there, how do I make my PATH setting available for alle gnome apps ??
[10:21] <Razor-X> uber_newber: try ''sudo mkdir /mnt/sda1 & sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1''
[10:21] <uber_newber> k
[10:21] <bartekp> hi
[10:21] <Raf99> PurpleMotion, guessin just like windows, the default driver that comes with ubuntu will do the trick.
[10:21] <Razor-X> sravi: those are the historic shortcuts, you can probably configure X to do something about that
[10:21] <psychonate> I don't see what's wrong with asking a simple question like "What is <program>?" If I wanted an in-depth answer and a place to download from, then I would google it.
[10:21] <cafuego> PurpleMotion: Beacuse it's unpackaged; you can't manage what it does via the package tools. Also, precompiled is far easier.
[10:22] <cafuego> PurpleMotion: It's not as if Ubuntu uses an _older_ driver or anything.
[10:22] <PurpleMotion> Raf99: there's a big difference between 'will do the trick' and 'is optimized and will run wondefully'
[10:22] <PurpleMotion> cafuego: ah
[10:22] <sravi> Razor-X, what I am asking is if it is safe to say that if the session is "tty", as opposed to "pts", that it can be considered secure and did not come in over the network
[10:22] <deprave> liglib 2.0 is installed =-/
[10:22] <Raf99> PurpleMotion - yes.
[10:23] <rob_lt> psychonate: what's "wrong" with that is that it floods this channel with useless chatter that could otherwise be solved with a 3 second google, and other people's legitimate questions might be missed.
[10:23] <deprave> PurpleMotion : operation gaim-vv failure
[10:23] <drkstar> hi, i can't get my wireless internet working. It recognizes the adapter, it's listed in the device manager, the adapter is also working because its on and the light is solid, indicating it's connected to something. The problem is it isn't getting internet access, and it is connected to a network.but not my own because i have wep on and don't know where to put in my password or network info. Under networks it's connected to someone elses
[10:23] <PurpleMotion> deprave: eh
[10:23] <cafuego> PurpleMotion: The "unoptimised" ubuntu one is compiled for stability by people with over a decade of experience. Your self-compiled one isn't ;-)
[10:23] <vpalle> how does one change gnomes $PATH ?
[10:23] <Raf99> cafuego - if I did want to install a updated driver though, how would I exit X server todo this installation properly? ( will I ever need to ? )
[10:23] <calamari> note on smeg.. it requires python-xdg >= 0.14, but the latest version is 0.9-1, so it won't install
[10:23] <PurpleMotion> cafuego: i have an ati card, and i use the r128 driver, so NEENER NEENER
[10:23] <Amaranth> calamari: use the install script
[10:24] <psychonate> rob_lt, well, from scrolling up, I can see that you were extremely busy helping people in the last few minutes, so I apologize if I distracted you from further helping people. In fact, I think you have caused more spam in the channel from complaining and making me retort than I did when I asked one simple question.
[10:24] <cafuego> Raf99: When nvidia release a new one, it will e added to Ubuntu a short while later. No need for manual intervention.
[10:24] <uber_newber> can sum1 help my install my toshiba usb fdd kit on my toshiba tecra 8000 processor 2 laptop
[10:24] <Amaranth> calamari: If you install it any other way I don't support it.
[10:24] <sravi> So a "tty" session can be considered secure?
[10:24] <cafuego> PurpleMotion: My mighty radeon 9200 trumps you!
[10:24] <PurpleMotion> I'm just saying there's nothing wrong with installing your own if you want to :D
[10:24] <Raf99> thanx for your help cafuego :)
[10:24] <PurpleMotion> cafuego: yeah i have a really shitty 16mb ati rage pro 128 ultra
[10:24] <cafuego> PurpleMotion: Yeah, the G3 has one of those too.
[10:25] <PurpleMotion> cafuego: i *had* a 9500 pro 128m w/9700 pro bios
[10:25] <sravi> sravi, :-(
[10:25] <raven3x7> cafuego i dont think nvidia driversget updated
[10:25] <cafuego> raven3x7: They do :-)
[10:25] <cefx> cafuego, no! My mighty 9600 trumps you!
[10:25] <cefx> :P
[10:25] <cefx> non pro, even!
[10:26] <cefx> lol
[10:26] <PurpleMotion> my 9700 decimated all
[10:26] <raven3x7> 7174 is still the one in the repos unless apt detects my card and doesnt show me the newer ones
[10:26] <f_newton> oy the vidcard wars are gonna replace the distro wars eh?
[10:26] <cefx> I hope Cedega works.
[10:26] <Amaranth> cefx: A 9250 would be better than a 9500 :P
[10:26] <cafuego> Your canadian trash is no match for my toys
[10:26] <PurpleMotion> it did YEEExHAWxUNF
[10:26] <cefx> 9600
[10:26] <calamari> Amaranth: ahh, didn't see the script.. I was trying the .deb.. thanks
[10:26] <cefx> :P
[10:26] <thoreauputic> f_newton: nothing will ever replace the editor wars, though ;-)
[10:26] <fredforfaen> damn i like ubuntu , must be one of the best distros out there......im impressed
[10:26] <f_newton> cafuego, canadian trash?
[10:26] <aceb747> i am not able to do an apt-get for gstreaner0.8-lame and i updated the repositores.... is there something I am missing?
[10:26] <Amaranth> cefx: no, 9250 is the best ATI available
[10:26] <cafuego> f_newton: ati
[10:27] <PurpleMotion> im gonna go play with my childrens now
[10:27] <f_newton> you are so right thoreauputic
[10:27] <PurpleMotion> bye
[10:27] <yuval> Hi, I'm getting multiple 'dhclient3' process when connecting and disconnecting the network cable, which leads to lost dns server entries.. Has anyone experienced anything similar?
[10:27] <WebMaven> Hi folks. I think I set up my mouse wrong when I installed the system. How do I go back and do that portion of the setup again?
[10:27] <raven3x7> my might TNT1 card... oh well...
[10:27] <cafuego> fredforfaen: Yeah, too bad about its users, though.
[10:27] <f_newton> cafuego, ya know... well no.. I am gonna refrain ...
[10:27] <cefx> Amaranth, heh
[10:27] <Amaranth> cefx: the 9250 is the latest card with open source 3d drivers
[10:27] <fredforfaen> cafuego what about them?
[10:27] <f_newton> I have a 9250
[10:27] <cafuego> fredforfaen: Well, just _look_ at f_newton ;-)
[10:27] <f_newton> in my home box
[10:28] <Amaranth> cefx: although they are working on r300
[10:28] <fredforfaen> hehe i get your point
[10:28] <Razor-X> mplayer is compiling
[10:28] <uber_newber> can sum1 help my install my toshiba usb fdd kit on my toshiba tecra 8000 processor 2 laptop
[10:28] <Amaranth> cefx: which iirc would be up to 9800
[10:28] <f_newton> so cafuego what third world country are you insulting people from?
[10:28] <deprave> HELP ME! ----> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/909
[10:28] <cafuego> ouch! rsync cron bring pain! must! not! lag!
[10:28] <yuval> and the network-admin just drives me crazy.. :(
[10:29] <cafuego> f_newton: Uh, cookies?
[10:29] <deprave> i want cookies please
[10:29] <cefx> Amaranth, nice!
[10:29] <cefx> Amaranth, my kernel is 2.6.10-5-386...is there one that I ought to upgrade to?
[10:29] <MANOWAR^> ok I am attempting to use an Active Directory for my authentication
[10:29] <deprave> Amaranth your nickname looks incredibly familiar
[10:30] <MANOWAR^> i have kerberos setup and it works fromt he command line
[10:30] <Amaranth> cefx: yeah, so far it only kinda works, can potentially break your card, and is agp only
[10:30] <cafuego> deprave: You're missing a few -dev packages
[10:30] <Amaranth> deprave: i'm on gimpnet
[10:30] <MANOWAR^> while logged in as root i can call upon an AD user and get it to authenticate
[10:30] <cefx> heh
[10:30] <Firetech> aren't there deb's for OO.o 2 beta somewhere (real deb's, not the alien rpm to deb script from Evolutioncolt)
[10:30] <MANOWAR^> but now I am tryaing to configure PAM so I can login with that AD user from the command line
[10:30] <deprave> cafuego : what do you suggest i do
[10:30] <cafuego> deprave: Like libglib-*dev
[10:30] <rob_lt> uber_newber: what isn't working. What does dmesg say when you plug it in? Is the module being loaded? Please provide more info.
[10:30] <cefx> Amaranth, what are the drivers for linux like that ATI makes?
[10:30] <f_newton> I dont think my video card is set up to read "millions of colors" is there a setting I can check for that?
[10:30] <MANOWAR^> http://pastebin.com/327811 <-- this is what my system-auth looks like
[10:30] <Raf99> ahh ctrl+alt+backspace got me to the terminal. forgt about that
[10:30] <flodine> anyone can help with openbox
[10:30] <Amaranth> cefx: I dunno, they don't support my card.
[10:30] <cafuego> deprave: apt-cache search silc | grep -- -dev
[10:30] <cefx> pewp
[10:31] <cefx> they have one for the radeon family
[10:31] <cafuego> deprave: and same for libglib
[10:31] <cefx> http://www.freewebs.com/wickkidda/38116174_l.jpg
[10:31] <deprave> ok im installing -dev 2.0 now
[10:31] <deprave> via synaptic
[10:31] <Amaranth> cefx: not for the 7000
[10:31] <WebMaven> Can anyone help with my mouse setup? I need to do it again without reinstalling the whole machine.
[10:31] <cefx> ah
[10:31] <cafuego> WebMaven: The mosue steup in X?
[10:31] <cefx> Amaranth my heart goes out to you!
[10:31] <cefx> :P
[10:31] <WebMaven> cafuego: yes.
[10:31] <cafuego> WebMaven: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:32] <uber_newber> rob_lt: i dunno whats not workin and what is, i just wanna install it. and how do i find it in dmesg
[10:32] <Amaranth> cefx: I accept donations of hardware and cash for hardware. ;)
[10:32] <cefx> haha well I have an old 7500
[10:32] <f_newton> Amaranth, where are you?
[10:32] <cefx> if I get a new card, I'll send you my 9600 :)
[10:32] <Amaranth> f_newton: iowa
[10:32] <f_newton> I am getting rid of a lot of old hardware... I may have some you can have
[10:32] <cefx> private ryan!
[10:32] <topyli> Amaranth: you should be able to bum your way to an old matrox pretty easily
[10:33] <rob_lt> uber_newber: well, dmesg is a command that you can run that shows kernel messages. When you plug in the usb device, and then type dmesg in a terminal, it should show that you machine recognizes the device.
[10:33] <f_newton> would ya like a couple of pro servers maybe?
[10:33] <topyli> Amaranth: they're the best cards :)
[10:33] <Amaranth> f_newton: I accept all free things. :)
[10:33] <WebMaven> cafuego: I trhink I chose the wrong mouse during setup.
[10:33] <Amaranth> topyli: for 2D, sure
[10:33] <cefx> Hey!
[10:33] <f_newton> well I will see how much it costs to ship these heavy puppies...
[10:33] <cefx> I accept freebies too
[10:33] <kleggas> Im trying to share my internet to my laptop using 2 network cards in my server....eth0 connects to the net, and eth1 is supposed to share it....eth1 has ip 192.168.0.1, submask 255.255.255.0, gateway is the IP of eth0, and then I use on my laptop an IP 192.168.0.34 and submask 255.255.255.0 and gateway is 192.168.0.1 wich is the ip of servers eth1.....I can ssh to the server, ping it, but I can't get out on the net from the laptop...anyone h
[10:33] <cefx> I need a new old linux box
[10:33] <topyli> Amaranth: oh yeah, there's this 3d thing too, i've heard of it ;)
[10:33] <uber_newber> rob_ly: k i plugged it in and did dmesg and got a bunch of stuff. how do i find it in dmesg
[10:33] <cefx> kleggas, do you have a crossover cable to connect directly to the laptop?
[10:33] <RQ> hey]
[10:34] <RQ> X still broken, eh? ;D
[10:34] <LeeColleton> cefx: I need an old new linux box, maybe we can trade
[10:34] <kleggas> cefx: no, I use switch
[10:34] <cafuego> WebMaven: The command I gave you should bring up the entire configuration dialog again.
[10:34] <f_newton> we just had a church group from iowa visit us Monday
[10:34] <_icebreaker_> is there a tutorial to use 2 monitors on a dualheaded nvidia card?
[10:34] <cafuego> f_newton: Free food, nice.
[10:34] <Locutus266> Hello folks, I just installed ubuntu, but I can't seem to login as root. Is there some kind of default password for root account?
[10:34] <kleggas> Locutus266: there is no, use sudo
[10:34] <thoreauputic> !root
[10:34] <cafuego> Locutus266: No, the root account is disabled by default.
[10:34] <ubotu> I heard root is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:35] <Locutus266> Thanks
[10:35] <kleggas> Locutus266: or you could type "sudo su" then enter your default acount passwd, and you are root...then change root passwd, but why? just use sudo
[10:35] <rob_lt> uber_newber: also, I think that is a scsi device, so doing an "lsmod" should show the proper scsi modules being loaded. You could try mounting the device. It should show up as /dev/sda or something like that.
[10:35] <f_newton> yes cafuego we handed out enough free food to feed nearly 500 people
[10:36] <deprave> *** GTK+ 2.0 is required to build Gaim; please make sure you have the GTK+
[10:36] <deprave> jebus!
[10:36] <crimsun> deprave: apt-get build-dep gaim
[10:36] <deprave> demanding software
[10:36] <cafuego> f_newton: Deary me, how fat were they?
[10:36] <Locutus266> Is there a way to reactivate the root account? I feel godlike today
[10:36] <kleggas> cefx: why did you ask about the crossover cable? does it make any difference if I use that instead of the switch? I mean, does it need to be setup different in the network settings?
[10:37] <f_newton> cafuego I run a street feeding homeless ministry ...these people are starving
[10:37] <kleggas> Locutus266: yes, allready told u
[10:37] <topyli> Locutus266: open a root terminal from the menu
[10:37] <sklp> Lucutus266: why would u want to activate root?
[10:37] <WebMaven> cafuego: can I do that from a terminal window, or should I do it from a tty session?
[10:37] <Locutus266> I don't know. I love being root.
[10:37] <sklp> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[10:37] <Locutus266> That's not for discussion, either :)
[10:38] <anacron> Locutus266: sudo -i does same thing
[10:38] <sklp> well just type "sudo -s" type in your password and u are essentially root
[10:38] <Locutus266> Well, maybe I should read the man page
[10:38] <Locutus266> thanks anyway
[10:38] <levander> Email I'm sending to my root user is going to my isp's root user. Anybody know why this is?
[10:38] <kleggas> Locutus266: "sudo su" enter your passwd, now you are root....type "passwd" and enter a root passwd
[10:38] <anacron> sudo -s is bad (c) seveas
[10:39] <Seveas> sudo -i is better
[10:39] <f_newton> waht is the -i flag?
[10:39] <Seveas> -s but with reset $HOME and $USER
[10:39] <Seveas> and you really want that...
[10:39] <thoreauputic> levander: you have entered your ISP's domain as your own? Dunno...
[10:39] <sklp> Seveas: not in all cases :D
[10:39] <aceb747> does anyone know why w32codec is not included in the deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted repository?
[10:40] <Seveas> sklp, name one...
[10:40] <thoreauputic> aceb747: could be because it's w32codecs (plural)
[10:40] <levander> thoreauputic: entered that where?
[10:40] <drkstar> does ubuntu install python-gnome2-extras, python-gtk, and python-gnome2 on install?
[10:40] <psychonate> aceb747, you can get them easily from mplayer's site. Need a link?
[10:40] <aceb747> Seveas, that didnt do it
[10:40] <Seveas> drkstar, apt-cache sepends ubuntu-desktop will tell you :)
[10:41] <drkstar> Seveas: ok, thank you
[10:41] <thoreauputic> levander: I mean did you use your ISP's domain when you installed, so that root became [email protected] ? Just guessing really
[10:41] <Seveas> aceb747, w32codecs
[10:41] <psychonate> aceb747, I think there is only a dummy package for w32codecs. You have to actually install the real codecs yourself.
[10:41] <Seveas> with an s at the end
[10:41] <psychonate> Seveas, isn't it only a dummy package?
[10:42] <Seveas> psychonate, w32codecs?
[10:42] <psychonate> yeah
[10:42] <Seveas> nope
[10:42] <f_newton> the win 32 codecs is a 12 meg tarball
[10:42] <aceb747> psychomate, the instructions online are saying to use apt-get
[10:42] <drkstar> if my wireless adapter is recognized, how can i connect to my network? is there an app?
[10:42] <aceb747> can someone with this codec send me there sources.list?
[10:42] <psychonate> ah, I guess it's not
[10:42] <levander> thoreauputic: do I have to create an email box for the root user? Email sent to my local user name, I receive okay.
[10:43] <vpalle> anybody how how I can change gnome's $PATH ?
[10:43] <vpalle> know
[10:43] <thoreauputic> levander: it should have been created for you
[10:43] <linukso> levander: email to root will be sent to you admin user.
[10:43] <deprave> what command do i use to check how much data is in a directory in gb
[10:43] <thoreauputic> levander: I seem to recall you can configure postfix to send all root's mail to your box
[10:44] <nickrud> levander, is mail to yourself (no domain) being sent through the isp?
[10:44] <linukso> levander: check out /etc/aliases
[10:44] <yuval> deprave: du -sh <dirname>
[10:44] <vpalle> deprave, du -h
[10:44] <topyli> aceb747: mine: http://siltala.net/comp/sources.list -- i got the codecs from the marillat repository. don't use his binaries otherwise
[10:45] <deprave> thanks
[10:45] <thoreauputic> vpalle: I think maybe you are asking the wrong question: if you mean "Where is the global system PATH set I seem to recall it is in /etc/bash.bashrc
[10:45] <aceb747> topyli, this is the dvd::rip repository... right?
[10:46] <topyli> aceb747: i guess he has it too. his binaries just might not work on ubuntu
[10:46] <lamont> thoreauputic: it autoconfigs to send root email to uid 1000's name
[10:46] <vpalle> thoreauputic, thx.. and gnome respects that? it doesnt reset it..
[10:46] <lamont> at install, that is
[10:46] <topyli> aceb747: i'd use the sources from his repository and build packages locally, except for stuff like codecs
[10:46] <Locutus266> Does anybody know why the totem player won't work? It wouldn't even start. It just says "resource in use or unavailable"
[10:47] <thoreauputic> vpalle: not as far as I know - it works here
[10:47] <thoreauputic> lamont: right - root's mail goes to the first user (the one who has sudo rights)
[10:47] <aceb747> topyli, it looks like this repository is going to help my setup with alot more than just the codecs.... thank you
[10:47] <lamont> thoreauputic: and it's just an entry in /etc/aliases
[10:47] <vpalle> thoreauputic, thx
[10:48] <topyli> aceb747: as long as you're lucky and the packages work. fiddling with sarge and etch sources might work some of the time
[10:48] <topyli> aceb747: source packages of course work almost always
[10:49] <nickrud> I've had that problem :) thoreauputic's idea of the isp's domain as the mail domain was my problem.
[10:49] <aceb747> topyli, if this dont work then i will prob go to the source
[10:49] <vpalle> thoreauputic, its /etc/profile though ;)
[10:50] <sexcopter8000m> can anyone suggest a programme for stringing together some jpegs into a video clip?
[10:50] <topyli> aceb747: just enable christian's deb-src line and build with apt. it's easiest
[10:50] <_icebreaker_> how can i use 2 displays under ubuntu?
[10:50] <aceb747> topyli, ok.... i thought it was the mallirats
[10:51] <python_> sexcopter: I think Gimp can do that for you
[10:51] <topyli> aceb747: yes, christian marillat :)
[10:51] <aceb747> topyli, i see there the same :)
[10:51] <topyli> yep
[10:51] <f_newton> gimp makes animations from stills but I dont think its a video editor
[10:53] <python_> depends what we define what a video is though
[10:53] <f_newton> I am not sure if there is a tool in linux to do that readily available
[10:53] <python_> a video in truth is many moving images
[10:53] <python_> what output do you need for this video
[10:53] <f_newton> python_, I dont think he is worried about the philosophy of video
[10:54] <f_newton> I think he wants to join clips together to make a flowing video
[10:54] <levander> linukso: actually, /etc/aliases has root aliased to my local user name
[10:54] <python_> sexcopter: what file ouput wld u like from your images
[10:54] <DrFalken> hi people!
[10:54] <raDeon> hi!
[10:54] <Bubbling_Zombie> hello
[10:55] <raDeon> what's up my friend from argentina
[10:55] <f_newton> some say mythtv will do that sexcopter8000m but I dont know myself
[10:56] <DrFalken> i've recently installed the artwiz-fonts from deb, but they doesn't appear in some gnome font lists, but they appear in xfontsel
[10:56] <DrFalken> and... i want to use them in fluxbox
[10:58] <linukso> levander: wasn't that what you wanted?
[10:58] <python_> sexcopter: have a look at an app could kino
[10:58] <aceb747> topyli, it is not letting me do an update because I dont have a debian PUBKEY
[10:59] <DrFalken> any suggestion to that???
[10:59] <topyli> aceb747: the update still works. if it bothers you, you can get his key from the site
[11:00] <Razor-X> linukso: hah!
[11:00] <xav> gentoo > debian > ubuntu > fedora > mandriva > arch
[11:00] <black13> where would i find the source packages for unbuntu
[11:00] <Razor-X> I had to use Open Office for a Spreadsheet, it's faster than Word, but I have now seen just how slow WYSIWYG office stuf is ;)
[11:00] <levander> linukso: i was saying it works for my regular user, but not for the root user
[11:00] <Razor-X> black13: ary source package would work
[11:00] <equex> could some one point me in the right direction with kubuntu (tried the chan) ? i lost my keyboard layouts and i am not able to add new layouts (only english available) and it seems KDE doesnt recognize my keyboard either (thogh i configured it as pc104 in x)
[11:00] <Razor-X> there's no ``Ubuntu specific'' thing when you compile it
[11:01] <black13> ary?
[11:01] <black13> or any
[11:01] <linukso> levander: any reason you want to send mail as root?
[11:01] <Razor-X> equex: hmmm
[11:01] <sexcopter8000m> hi, sorry, went afk a mo
[11:02] <DrFalken> raDeon: the things someone knows watching the hostnames, no?
[11:02] <Razor-X> equex: i'm googling for you
[11:02] <equex> i was running ATI's config to set up X though
[11:02] <sexcopter8000m> yeah, well i took some pictures using an intervalometer, and i want to string them into a video
[11:02] <python_> sexcopter: Use kino i think the package will be ideal for what you need
[11:02] <sexcopter8000m> like they do in the nature programmes
[11:02] <sexcopter8000m> ok cool, is it fairly self explanatory?
[11:02] <Razor-X> equex: try ``loadkeys name-of-layout'' where name-of-layout is the name of your keyboard layout
[11:02] <equex> damn
[11:02] <python_> Go to the website sexcopter type kino in google
[11:03] <sexcopter8000m> kk
[11:03] <sexcopter8000m> thanks
[11:03] <linukso> Razor-X: the only "office suite" that works is vim in latex mode and octave for calcs :D
[11:03] <python_> sexcopter: http://kino.schirmacher.de/
[11:03] <Razor-X> linukso: I use emacs in LaTeX mode, with emacs-maxima for calculation ;)
[11:03] <raDeon> DrFalken, you got a problem with that?
[11:03] <Razor-X> (not too different, meh)
[11:03] <Razor-X> still, LaTeX spreadsheets.... uggh ;)
[11:04] <equex> trying that razor
[11:04] <DrFalken> raDeon: none... :D, it's nice know ppl who care those lil' details
[11:04] <linukso> Razor-X: heh, cant argue with that :D
[11:04] <Belutz> can i have different wallpaper for each desktop?
[11:04] <linukso> Belutz: you can, at least with fluxbox, but its slooooooooooooooooow
[11:04] <Razor-X> linukso: I was trying a LaTeX spreadsheet earlier today
[11:04] <Razor-X> tabularx was _ok_, but, I just gave up on it ;)
[11:04] <Razor-X> there are some things LaTeX just can't do very well
[11:04] <raDeon> DrFalken, :)
[11:05] <Belutz> linukso: can't do it with gnome?
[11:05] <Razor-X> is there some sort of spreadsheet generating language?
[11:05] <linukso> Razor-X: only made small tables...
[11:05] <linukso> Belutz: nope, dont think so.
[11:05] <topyli> Belutz: not with metacity
[11:05] <Razor-X> linukso: 44 vocab words and their definitions ;)
[11:05] <Razor-X> s/44/42/
[11:05] <Belutz> linukso: ic..
[11:05] <Belutz> too bad
[11:05] <topyli> Belutz: with enlightenment you can, and perhaps other window managers that work with gnome
[11:06] <Razor-X> for a small table, LaTeX is very nice (like a table showing commands and what they do), but a full-blown spreadsheet is real hard
[11:06] <DrFalken> Belutz: if u have lots of RAM... GO ON!!!
[11:06] <Razor-X> is there like, a LaTeX equivalent of a spreadshet generating program, anyone?
[11:06] <wajokki> Why mp3 files doesent work in ubuntu
[11:06] <linukso> Razor-X: I can imagine...
[11:06] <f_newton> python_, actually gimp would do what sexcopter8000m was wanting
[11:06] <Belutz> topyli: i was once install enlightenment... how do i activate it?
[11:06] <DrFalken> 'cause storing multiple wallpapers eats memory... :)
[11:07] <Razor-X> linukso: can you google for me? (because MPlayer is compiling)
[11:07] <topyli> Belutz: killall metacity && enlightenment &
[11:07] <linukso> Razor-X: shure!
[11:07] <Belutz> DrFalken: ic...
[11:07] <Razor-X> thanks!
[11:07] <wajokki> Why mp3 files doesent work in ubuntu
[11:07] <topyli> Belutz: if you like it, save the session when you log out
[11:07] <Belutz> topyli: ic... thx :)
[11:07] <Razor-X> I downloaded all the codecs for MPlayer, so it'l take a while ;)
[11:07] <python_> f_newton it probably could, but i feel kino will be more geared to what he wants with added capabilities such as transitions, etc
[11:07] <Raskall> wajokki: bacause you havent read www.ubuntulinux.org. :)
[11:07] <pinky2000> I've switched to XFCE for my window manager, anyone know how I can 'auto-launch' apps when XFCE starts? For example I'd like to start xfce-calander and vino-server when I log in.
[11:08] <Razor-X> woohoo!
[11:08] <f_newton> I misunderstood his need
[11:08] <Razor-X> pwnage, it finished
[11:08] <Razor-X> 573.7 seconds
[11:08] <python_> However i must point out to photoshop users (which i once was), i use GIMP all the time and its a great piece of software
[11:08] <thoreauputic> !mp3
[11:08] <ubotu> hmm... mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[11:08] <Razor-X> that's 9.562 seconds??? ;)
[11:08] <Razor-X> weird, I thought it was more
[11:08] <f_newton> yes it is linux's answer to photoshop
[11:08] <Razor-X> s/seconds/minutes/
[11:09] <Locutus266> Somehow my /dev/dsp Device is always in use. No application can play sounds, although those gnome system sounds work
[11:09] <Razor-X> woohoo!
[11:09] <Razor-X> time to try out MPlayer
[11:09] <python_> f_newton i laways use it at work instead of Photoshop, it takes photoshop 2 hours too load
[11:09] <linukso> Razor-X: http://latexss.sourceforge.net/
[11:09] <Razor-X> linukso: sounds good from the URL ;)
[11:10] <f_newton> yer being funny, but photoshop is a very good program
[11:10] <linukso> doesn't look that bad either....
[11:10] <python_> f_newton it is but i refuse to use proprietry software at home
[11:10] <jowi> Locutus266, i had the same problem, especiall with Skype. Solution; turn off sound server at startup (gnome sound settings) + change sound output sink to ALSA
[11:10] <f_newton> python_, adobe is the ultimate in propriety software too
[11:10] <Locutus266> Thanks, I'll try that
[11:10] <python_> And i dont really see much that photoshop can do that GIMP cant do
[11:11] <f_newton> I agree with that
[11:11] <jowi> Locutus266, oh and 'killall esd'
[11:11] <Locutus266> what's esd? sound daemon?
[11:11] <Locutus266> esound
[11:11] <jowi> Locutus266, yeah
[11:11] <Locutus266> Is there some kind of runlevel editor (like in suse linux?)
[11:11] <f_newton> gotta reboot
[11:11] <python_> If people didnt crack software, then people would have to use open source, i use free software, open source for ethical reasons
[11:11] <jowi> Locutus266, it was driving me nuts until i figured it out
[11:11] <thoreauputic> Locutus266: esd is the scourge of ubuntu sound configuration ;)
[11:12] <levander> linukso: I don't want to send mail as root. I want to send mail to root. I've got a cron job set up to backup my system. This script has to be run as root. I don't want the email going to the root user, I never check that email. And, I certainly don't want that email going to my ISP, as root's email is now.
[11:12] <Locutus266> Well, let's see
[11:12] <Locutus266> Wow, it actually works! Thanks
[11:12] <python_> Imagine, first you buy win xp, then macromedia suite, then photoshop, illustartor, .net, you upto 4000 already
[11:12] <levander> linukso: But, apparently, mailing to 'root@localhost' works fine, it's just mailing to 'root' that's not working.
[11:12] <CircleofChaos> What does this mean: "The channel demigods have stolen your voice"?
[11:12] <thoreauputic> !bum
[11:12] <ubotu> I don't know, thoreauputic
[11:12] <thoreauputic> hmm
[11:12] <jowi> Locutus266, you are welcome
[11:12] <axylfyre> hey all
[11:13] <Belutz> is 800mb too much for /swap ?
[11:13] <axylfyre> can I get some help installing ubuntu on windows xp? please
[11:13] <thoreauputic> CircleofChaos: probably that some channel has you +q - are you registered?
[11:13] <levander> Belutz: it's not out of the ballpark
[11:14] <nox> axylfyre, you can`t "install ubuntu on windows xp"
[11:14] <CircleofChaos> What is +q?
[11:14] <python_> People it is wrong to create class's out of software, and keep secrets, if we want a better computing world with better interoperabilty then we must go this way
[11:14] <axylfyre> ok
[11:14] <CircleofChaos> How do I register?
[11:14] <axylfyre> what can you install to do a dual boot?
[11:14] <thoreauputic> CircleofChaos: +q is a mode that silences a user
[11:14] <CircleofChaos> I thought all you needed was a nickname.
[11:14] <thoreauputic> CircleofChaos: /msg nickserv help
[11:14] <nox> axylfyre, install ubuntu, and it should automaticly add your windows xp installtion to the grub.
[11:14] <Belutz> levander: ic, because i see my system only use a little space of swap memory
[11:14] <python_> axylfire: just get rid of xp
[11:15] <axylfyre> oh forget it
[11:15] <deprave> im deleting stuff with a file manager, is it all going to a trash bin of some sort?
[11:15] <Belutz> axylfyre: use vmware ?
[11:15] <thoreauputic> CircleofChaos: and /msg nickserv register <nick> <password> IIRC
[11:15] <shammy> wooo got xserver working finally
[11:15] <nox> Belutz, vmware costs money, installing ubuntu is free.
[11:16] <Belutz> thoreauputic: what's IIRC stands for?
[11:16] <python_> axylefare: You could use Virtual PC too
[11:16] <levander> Belutz: yeah, people put even more than that in swap, dunno why, I put like 500MB because it was recommended somewhere. But, if you're every using more than say 100MB, you're system is going to be unbearable slow
[11:16] <Locutus266> XMMS works fine now, but Totem Player still won't start (resource busy or not available)
[11:16] <shammy> if i recal correctly, Belutz
[11:16] <Belutz> nox: i know... just proposing a solution to him
[11:16] <thoreauputic> Belutz: If I Remember Correctly ;)
[11:16] <python_> we should let windows users rot in there own problems
[11:16] <Burgundavia> Locutus266, change to totem-xine
[11:16] <mcphail> Any idea why I can't connect to my Apache server from the outside world?
[11:16] <Belutz> i thought IIRC is an IRC client LOL
[11:16] <CircleofChaos> Thoreauputic, how I can I tell the channel to let me speak again?
[11:17] <python_> mcphail: there could be 101 reasons to tht
[11:17] <linukso> mcphail: you need a real ip address
[11:17] <hybrid_> Belutz: heh
[11:17] <mcphail> python_: I think I've tries the 1st 100
[11:17] <shammy> could someone help me get my wireless internet up and running? I looked under device manager and the netgear adapter is listed, so it's recognizing it.. what else do I need to do?
[11:17] <CircleofChaos> The channel is #perl.
[11:17] <thoreauputic> CircleofChaos: depends - if you are registered normally you can speak in any channel
[11:17] <CircleofChaos> I cannot talk in #perl. :(
[11:17] <python_> mcphail: Good im glad your trying
[11:17] <Locutus266> totem-xine is not available through synaptic is it?
[11:17] <thoreauputic> CircleofChaos: I don't know what #perl's policy is
[11:18] <python_> mcphail: Perhaps a forum would be better for that question
[11:18] <vader1102> shammy: do you have internet connection?
[11:18] <CircleofChaos> What is your policy?
[11:18] <shammy> vader1102: available? or on ubuntu
[11:18] <CircleofChaos> How do I become an operator in #perl?
[11:18] <equex> Razor-X: i loaded up my keymap but there is no changes anywhere.. i think i need to make it recognize the keyboard *model* first.
[11:18] <vader1102> on ubuntu
[11:18] <Belutz> hmmm someone just want to try ubuntu, and maybe he do not know about the live cd and wants to try it, it's better to propose a solution, he might be migrate to ubuntu if he likes it :D
[11:18] <wajokki> why mp3 files doeset work
[11:18] <shammy> vader1102: No I don't
[11:18] <thoreauputic> CircleofChaos: in #ubuntu anyone can speak - within reason :)
[11:18] <Belutz> that's what i thiught
[11:18] <wajokki> need some plugin or something
[11:18] <Razor-X> gah!
[11:18] <Belutz> *thought
[11:19] <mcphail> python_: maybe. Just wondered if ubuntu had any quirks that i might be missing
[11:19] <Subliminal> when i start gaim it tells me my version is out of date, but apt tells me my packages are all up to date, how can i upgrade gaim?
[11:19] <CircleofChaos> What do you mean?
[11:19] <Razor-X> my MPlayer's audio and video are out of sync
[11:19] <python_> totem-xine is accessable through apt-get
[11:19] <python_> i just tried it
[11:19] <CircleofChaos> By "within reason"?
[11:19] <vader1102> shammy: try iwlist scan and tell me if it sees the router
[11:19] <python_> you must have your repositories enabled
[11:19] <nox> wajokki, because mp3 is a registered patent, and in some countries such as USA it is illegal to use it
[11:19] <thoreauputic> CircleofChaos: within the Code of Conduct for Ubuntu
[11:19] <Belutz> Razor-X: i uninstalled my MPlayer hehehe, now i just use totem and vlc
[11:19] <jowi> Razor-X, you should be able to adjust the sync with z+x buttons if i remember it correctly (i do not use mplayer myself)
[11:19] <thoreauputic> !conduct
[11:19] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, conduct is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/document_view
[11:19] <CircleofChaos> Isn't this a free country. Freedom of Speech?
[11:20] <Razor-X> Belutz: I use VLC
[11:20] <wajokki> what files work?
[11:20] <Razor-X> but, VLC can't playe H.264
[11:20] <wajokki> in mandrake mp3 files work
[11:20] <Belutz> Razor-X: ic
[11:20] <thoreauputic> CircleofChaos: which country? THis is international
[11:20] <nox> VLC is another xine based.
[11:20] <python_> Locutus266: Do you need a hand installing totem-xine?
[11:20] <Razor-X> nox: VLC is not xine based
[11:20] <shammy> vader1102: it says none of my devices support scanning
[11:20] <nox> wajokki, just install xmms-mp3: "sudo apt-get install xmms-mp3"
[11:20] <python_> VLC rocks
[11:21] <Distro^Junkie> Amarok rocks
[11:21] <vader1102> ok, then you will need to google ubuntu and your wireless card
[11:21] <nox> Razor-X, are you sure VLC is not xine based? i heard different from someone
[11:21] <shammy> vader1102: even though it is recognized as the right adapter in device manager, that doesn't mean it is set up for internet access though does it?
[11:21] <linukso> shammy: you should take a look in the ubuntu wiki.
[11:21] <Razor-X> nox: 100% sure
[11:22] <vader1102> no
[11:22] <Razor-X> VLC has it's own engine and plugins ground up
[11:22] <wajokki> E: Pakettia xmms-mp3 ei lytynyt
[11:22] <linukso> shammy: there is lots of info on supported hardware
[11:22] <python_> VLC is not Xine based
[11:22] <CircleofChaos> Oh, okay. Thank you! How do I tell #perl to let me in again?
[11:22] <vader1102> one sec
[11:22] <nox> Razor-X, ok :) thank you for the information
[11:22] <wajokki> package xmms-mp3 doesent found
[11:22] <vader1102> shammy: what card is it?
[11:22] <Razor-X> no prob
[11:22] <python_> VLC in my opnion is one of the best media players out there
[11:22] <Razor-X> same here
[11:22] <Locutus266> @python_ I never used apt-get before
[11:22] <thoreauputic> CircleofChaos: you might want to ask in #freenode, or /msg a freenode staff member
[11:23] <nox> wajokki, sorry, the package is mp3-mad
[11:23] <python_> ill help u Locotus266
[11:23] <nox> wajokki, sorry, the package is xmms-mad =\
[11:23] <shammy> linukso: netgear wg111, it's a usb adapter
[11:23] <python_> can i pm u
[11:23] <shammy> err
[11:23] <nox> wajokki, sudo apt-get install mp3-mad
[11:23] <Belutz> time to hit the bed...
[11:23] <nox> wajokki, oops: sudo apt-get install xmms-mad
[11:23] <shammy> vader1102: netgear wg111 it;s a usb adapter
[11:23] <wajokki> okk :D
[11:23] <Locutus266> "totem-xine has no installation candidate "
[11:23] <nox> wajokki, xmms-mad - mp3 input plugin for xmms based on libmad
[11:23] <shammy> sorry about that linukso, didn;t mean to addres you :)
[11:23] <jowi> !resporitories
[11:24] <ubotu> jowi: I don't know
[11:24] <linukso> shammy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[11:24] <jowi> !repository
[11:24] <ubotu> jowi: Bugger all, i dunno
[11:24] <thoreauputic> Locutus266: totem-xine is in universe
[11:24] <vader1102> shammy:http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-25387.html
[11:24] <Belutz> !repo
[11:24] <ubotu> Belutz: Are you smoking crack?
[11:25] <thoreauputic> !repositories
[11:25] <ubotu> well, repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto, or repos
[11:25] <Kev0r> grr how do i get stuff in Ubuntu to mount automatically!?
[11:25] <Subliminal> one of my terminals seems to have gone hyroglyphic after i ctrl^c lynx, how do i get english back?
[11:25] <jowi> thomerz_, finally: thank you!
[11:25] <Kev0r> i'm not using gnome
[11:25] <aceb747> i still cant get w32codecs working....
[11:25] <jowi> spelling is a pain sometimes
[11:25] <thoreauputic> Subliminal: try typing reset blindly
[11:25] <CircleofChaos> Thoreauputic, the same thing is happening in #freenode.
[11:26] <topyli> aceb747: you got the package to install ok?
[11:26] <Subliminal> thoreauputic: didnt work :-/
[11:26] <CircleofChaos> What do I do now?
[11:26] <Subliminal> thoreauputic: even the prompt is hyroglyphic
[11:26] <topyli> aceb747: which player are you using?
[11:27] <CircleofChaos> :(
[11:27] <aceb747> topyli, i am not using a player yet... it is saying i dont have it in the repository.... but even the ubuntu wiki says that it is there
[11:27] <shammy> vader1102: so I need ndiswrapper? does it come with ubuntu or can I get it via synaptic?
[11:27] <Jemt> aceb747: Have you added Universe and Multiverse ?
[11:28] <vader1102> you may have to download it from the net and compile it
[11:28] <_icebreaker_> how can i enable twinview with the nv driver?
[11:28] <aceb747> jewt, yes i have hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[11:29] <ChynphaT> big newb right here, just installed kubuntu and id like if someone can help me figure out how to install stuff and how to navigate with the terminal, or just refer me to some good help pages, help would be greatly appreciated
[11:29] <dave> helo
[11:29] <mcphail> Subliminal: try typing stty sane [ctrl-J]
[11:29] <dave> hello
[11:29] <dave> new to linux just trying
[11:29] <CircleofChaos> ChynphaT, have you asked that question in #KUBUNTU?
[11:29] <topyli> aceb747: enable the marillat unstable repository temporarily and install w32codecs. then disable the repo again
[11:29] <ChynphaT> oh, no, thanks ill go do that
[11:30] <Subliminal> mcphail: it printed pictures at me
[11:30] <thoreauputic> CircleofChaos: are you sure the ops in #perl didn't silence you? maybe /msg a #perl op or something
[11:30] <Subliminal> mcphail: ahh, it told me [ctrl-j] was an invalid argument :-/
[11:31] <mcphail> Subliminal: try 'return' instead
[11:31] <Razor-X> is my system really too slow for H.264 ?
[11:31] <thoreauputic> CircleofChaos: I take it you have now registered?
[11:31] <Gorth> !!
[11:31] <ubotu> I heard ! is what u add before a sentence to talk to me
[11:31] <aceb747> topyli, it is saying there is no installation canidate
[11:31] <CircleofChaos> I did, but then I dropped the nickname.
[11:31] <CircleofChaos> It was useless to talk in #perl when no one listened.
[11:31] <Gorth> when i try to access my shared folder over a network, it asks for a user, so i made a user "guest"
[11:32] <Subliminal> mcphail: as in press enter?
[11:32] <Gorth> and set a folder to 777
[11:32] <Gorth> and it says unknown username!
[11:32] <topyli> aceb747: are sure you ran "apt-get update"?
[11:32] <thoreauputic> CircleofChaos: well, this isn't magic -if you change your nick you are no longer recognised
[11:32] <CircleofChaos> Gorth, are you using Samba?
[11:32] <Gorth> yeah
[11:32] <aceb747> topli, yes
[11:32] <Gorth> circleofchaos: yeah
[11:32] <mcphail> Subliminal: yes. Sometimes when the terminal screws up enter doesn't work and you have to type ctrl-J instead
[11:32] <Subliminal> mcphail: aah
[11:32] <aceb747> topyli, i even added the malliat pubkey
[11:32] <dbernar1> Can anyone spare some change?
[11:32] <CircleofChaos> Gorth, did you create a user for yourself?
[11:33] <CircleofChaos> "smbpasswd"
[11:33] <Subliminal> mcphail: it seems to work, but in a rather odd language
[11:33] <Gorth> hm?
[11:33] <mcphail> Subliminal: ??
[11:33] <jowi> dbernar1, what currency?
[11:33] <topyli> aceb747: and "apt-get install w32codecs" doesn't work?
[11:33] <CircleofChaos> When run by root:
[11:33] <CircleofChaos> smbpasswd [options] [username]
[11:33] <CircleofChaos> otherwise:
[11:33] <CircleofChaos> smbpasswd [options]
[11:33] <CircleofChaos> options:
[11:33] <CircleofChaos> -L local mode (must be first option)
[11:33] <CircleofChaos> -h print this usage message
[11:33] <CircleofChaos> -s use stdin for password prompt
[11:33] <CircleofChaos> -c smb.conf file Use the given path to the smb.conf file
[11:33] <CircleofChaos> -D LEVEL debug level
[11:33] <CircleofChaos> -r MACHINE remote machine
[11:33] <CircleofChaos> -U USER remote username
[11:33] <topyli> aceb747: maybe his repositories are just b0rken right now
[11:33] <CircleofChaos> extra options when run by root or in local mode:
[11:33] <Subliminal> mcphail: like mangled, but when i copied and pasted in here it was in english
[11:33] <CircleofChaos> -a add user
[11:33] <CircleofChaos> -d disable user
[11:33] <CircleofChaos> -e enable user
[11:33] <topyli> CircleofChaos: please dude
[11:34] <CircleofChaos> -i interdomain trust account
[11:34] <CircleofChaos> -m machine trust account
[11:34] <CircleofChaos> -n set no password
[11:34] <thoreauputic> !lart CircleofChaos
[11:34] <CircleofChaos> -w PASSWORD ldap admin password
[11:34] <CircleofChaos> -x delete user
[11:34] <CircleofChaos> -R ORDER name resolve order
[11:34] <LinuxJones> CircleofChaos, omg dude don't paste here
[11:34] <CircleofChaos> Oops, sorry.
[11:34] <CircleofChaos> Gorth, that was for you.
[11:34] <CircleofChaos> Sorry everyone. :(
[11:34] <Gorth> haha
[11:34] <Gorth> sorry about that
[11:34] <synd> !paste
[11:34] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[11:34] <Gorth> thanks circle
[11:34] <aceb747> topyli, right.... it is saying no installation canidate.... possibly could be broken
[11:34] <dbernar1> jowi: well, I am hungry. But that is unrelated. Anyhow, I like how there is this Unix lab here at my university, and Sun machines, with gnome on them, pretty nice.
[11:34] <mcphail> Subliminal: sometimes stty sane or reset work. Sometimes they don't. The key is not to ctrl-c less in the 1st place...
[11:34] <thoreauputic> CircleofChaos: if you did *that* in #perl, you would never be allowed back, I would say
[11:34] <CircleofChaos> No.
[11:35] <aceb747> topyli, what is the best way to add the debian pubkey.... cause that one might have it
[11:35] <topyli> aceb747: debian doesn't have the codecs for sure
[11:35] <dbernar1> CircleofChaos: so you can use that instead of interrupting everyones conversation
[11:35] <thoreauputic> CircleofChaos: in many channels that would have been an automatic kick
[11:35] <Subliminal> when i start gaim it tells me my version is out of date, but apt tells me my packages are all up to date, how can i upgrade gaim?
[11:35] <aceb747> topyli, it is also wierd that there not in the ubuntu repo when they say it is in the wiki
[11:35] <dbernar1> CircleofChaos: ya, so be careful, and dont paste like that.
[11:35] <CircleofChaos> Thoreauputic, why?
[11:36] <topyli> aceb747: just get the package from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/pool/main/w/w32codecs/ :)
[11:36] <Seveas> CircleofChaos, NEVER do that again
[11:36] <dbernar1> cause you interrupt everyone's conversation
[11:36] <CircleofChaos> Thank you for giving me a second chance.
[11:36] <CircleofChaos> :)
[11:36] <thoreauputic> CircleofChaos: you just spammed the channel with a huge paste
[11:36] <dbernar1> anyhow, on to more exciting topics
[11:37] <dbernar1> hahaha, ubotu urinates on circle of chaos??
[11:37] <dbernar1> weird.
[11:37] <dbernar1> who made a lart entry?
[11:37] <aceb747> topyli, that makes sense.... will be easier this way
[11:37] <topyli> dbernar1: even bots have feelings :)
[11:37] <topyli> aceb747: yeah, then just install it with dpkg -i
[11:37] <dbernar1> radeon is back?
[11:38] <f_newton> the more I use ubuntu the happier I am about it...
[11:38] <f_newton> lol
[11:38] <aceb747> is there any things i should be aware of with the amd64 that i would not know if i was running i386
[11:38] <Kev0r> how do i start something when booting Ubuntu?
[11:38] <f_newton> although I really dont like the name
[11:38] <CircleofChaos> What does the term "trolling" mean?
[11:38] <dbernar1> CircleofChaos: go check wikipedia, it has a cool entry, if I remember correctly.
[11:38] <Seveas> CircleofChaos, it means being obnoxious
[11:38] <f_newton> CircleofChaos, people who come in a room baiting others pretending to be unknowing
[11:38] <f_newton> trolling so to speak for a response
[11:38] <dbernar1> both are approximations of what I think trolling is.
[11:39] <hybrid_> anyone know if the D-link DWL-122 works under Ubuntu?
[11:39] <dbernar1> hybrid_: looked at the wiki?
[11:39] <Kev0r> Seveas: How can i start (let's say) gnome-volume-manager when i boot my pc?
[11:39] <LinuxJones> Kev0r, do you mean a service ?
[11:39] <hybrid_> dbernar1: nope whats the link?
[11:39] <topyli> aceb747: please don't say you're running amd64 :)
[11:39] <aceb747> hybrid. is that a router?
[11:39] <vader1102> hybrid: I am using the dwl-g650 and working great here
[11:39] <Kev0r> LinuxJones: see my question
[11:39] <aceb747> topyli, yes i am
[11:39] <dbernar1> wiki.ubuntu.com there is a search, and also it is under hardware support
[11:39] <jowi> hybrid_, i heard that it use the prism2 driver and should be ok.
[11:39] <Kev0r> the automatic mounting was so easy, just had to apt-get gnome-volume-manager
[11:39] <Kev0r> ^:|
[11:40] <jowi> hybrid_, but i'm not 100%
[11:40] <hybrid_> jowi: dbernar1 : thank yall
[11:40] <topyli> aceb747: grr. those repositories are not going to work. i should have asked in the first place i guess :(
[11:40] <dbernar1> ya, also, look for a wifi entry, and the ndiswrapper page has a list of working cards.
[11:40] <LinuxJones> Kev0r, go System >> Preferences >> Sessions >> Startup Programs tab
[11:41] <dbernar1> LinuxJones: isnt that only gonna start it when he starts gnome??
[11:41] <Kev0r> that's just for a session, it just needs to boot every time
[11:41] <dbernar1> cause I am fairly sure it is.
[11:41] <Kev0r> yes idd, with a gnome session dbernar1
[11:41] <MartenH> ok, I tried this yesterday but got occupied so I'm giving it a new shot today... I am trying to set up my webcam but it won't work. Another cam works fine right away.
[11:41] <tium> hi all,
[11:41] <stevenj> can't believe Google is down
[11:41] <Kev0r> i need it to start when Ubu-y boots
[11:41] <thoreauputic> CircleofChaos: don't take anything too much to heart - IRC is a strange subculture with it's own netiquette and rules :)
[11:41] <LinuxJones> dbernar1, you can't start gnome-volume-manager in a bash terminal
[11:41] <gardiner> I am come here for windows and I would like to see how I eject CD with button if possible ?
[11:41] <tium> Is X really still broken in breezy ?
[11:41] <aceb747> topyli, is that why i am not able to find the stuff?
[11:42] <hybrid_> stevenj: works for me
[11:42] <LinuxJones> dbernar1, but I could be wrong
[11:42] <Kev0r> why not LinuxJones
[11:42] <dbernar1> LinuxJones: go ahead a nd try, I am suure you can
[11:42] <MartenH> Right now I think Ineed to update some drivers and replace the old ones, can someone help me? I have the tar file but need to compile which I'm new to
[11:42] <vader1102> me 2
[11:42] <Kev0r> i can just run it from an xterm
[11:42] <dbernar1> stevenj: it works here.
[11:42] <topyli> aceb747: yes. w32codecs are called "32" for a reason :\
[11:42] <stevenj> hybrid, interesting....everything works but google.com--then again I am using comcast
[11:42] <dbernar1> other pages load for you?
[11:42] <LinuxJones> dbernar1, well I jsut assumed that's what he wanted to do using Gnome
[11:42] <dbernar1> haha, stevenj...
[11:43] <Kev0r> no LinuxJones
[11:43] <aceb747> topyli, should i revert to a i386 installation?
[11:43] <stevenj> dbernar1, I guess comcast is banned from Google now....banned from everything else
[11:43] <dbernar1> LinuxJones: cool...
[11:43] <dbernar1> stevenj: just a sec.
[11:43] <topyli> aceb747: marillat has a amd64 repository, scroll down at ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html . but there's no w32codecs package
[11:43] <dbernar1> dont leave.
[11:43] <hybrid_goth> stevenj: i hate comcast (techtv) the google ig and firefox search works for me
[11:43] <ixion> hi, whats the kerberos package called please? something to do with the number 5? :)
[11:43] <dbernar1> I may be able to fix this for you.
[11:43] <dbernar1> can yo uping google?
[11:43] <LinuxJones> Kev0r, you want to say run a script or something when your pc boots in general ?
[11:43] <stevenj> I'll try
[11:43] <hybrid_goth> yea
[11:44] <slashdevnull> Hi, all.
[11:44] <Kev0r> yes! exactly
[11:44] <dbernar1> ixion: did you hear of synaptic's search capabilities?
[11:44] <topyli> aceb747: some people run amd64 and run a selection of multimedia 32 bit apps in a chroot jail. i don't know offhand how it's done
[11:44] <hybrid_goth> lol
[11:44] <ixion> yes, its showing up kerberos 4 stuff, there was a specific package for kerberos 5 support and its not showing up
[11:44] <linukso> topyli: that might be because there are very few codecs for 64 bit windows :)
[11:44] <dbernar1> hm...whats the 4 package called?
[11:45] <topyli> linukso: i would imagine so ;)
[11:45] <stevenj> I am unable to ping www.google.com
[11:45] <LinuxJones> Kev0r, you can create a custom script and place it in /etc/init.d, make the script executable, then update-rc.d scriptname defaults and it will run when you boot your computer.
[11:45] <ixion> well there are lots of kerberos packages, mentioning the number 4
[11:45] <HakonBH> hello
[11:45] <dbernar1> stevenj: what is the error? timeouts?
[11:45] <thoreauputic> ixion: apt-cache search krb5
[11:46] <dbernar1> ixion: I cant find 5 neither.
[11:46] <HakonBH> join #ubuntubr
[11:46] <jowi> stevenj, try 216.239.59.99 (since you might have a DNS problem)
[11:46] <hybrid_goth> stevenj: thats weird!
[11:46] <dbernar1> thoreauputic: ya that works.
[11:46] <stevenj> dbernar1, using ping in network tools...no errors...but a time out it looks like
[11:46] <Kev0r> do i have to type update-rc.d scriptname defaults litterally?
[11:47] <topyli> aceb747: http://snipurl.com/gocm describes building a 32bit chroot on ubuntu, and installing 32bit apps
[11:47] <dbernar1> stevenj: please use the terminal:) open a terminal, and type in ping www.google.com and hit enter.
[11:47] <dbernar1> name of the script/.....
[11:47] <topyli> aceb747: otherwise, you might want to run the 32 bit ubuntu
[11:47] <LinuxJones> Kev0r, yes sudo update-rc.d scriptname defaults (it will run the script for runlevels 2-5)
[11:47] <ixion> thoreauputic, dbernar1 - thanks looking
[11:47] <stevenj> dbernar1, this is all I see -- PING www.l.google.com (72.14.207.104) 56(84) bytes of data.
[11:47] <ixion> krb5 is right :)
[11:47] <MartenH> Seveas, doing some chan cleanup? :)
[11:48] <Kev0r> ok thanks
[11:48] <dbernar1> ok, that means timeouts.
[11:48] <stevenj> thanks
[11:48] <dbernar1> hit ctrl+c to end application
[11:48] <Seveas> MartenH, yup
[11:48] <thoreauputic> Kev0r: where <scriptname> is the name of your script
[11:48] <Seveas> shall I clean you out the channel? :)
[11:48] <wajokki> xmms doesent work fine when i try play some file it freezing and it must kill
[11:48] <MartenH> "To get things running, load the kernel module "ovcamchip" at startup. " how do I do this?
[11:48] <stevenj> yes 100% packet loss ;)
[11:48] <rikva> Hi all, my new notebook is arriving this week and I want to install Debian OR (k)Ubuntu on it. I'll only use Ubuntu if I can use the Debian (testing/unstable) repositories. Is that possible?
[11:48] <Seveas> MartenH, sudo modprobe ovcamchip
[11:48] <dbernar1> wajokki: only some files, or all files?
[11:48] <thoreauputic> wajokki: in Options Preferences, set the output plugin to esound
[11:49] <Seveas> rikva, to a certain extent, but all in there is also in the UBuntu repositories
[11:49] <wajokki> all
[11:49] <stevenj> strange thing is I can get to www.gnome-look.org
[11:49] <thoreauputic> wajokki: see above
[11:49] <MartenH> Seveas, ty
[11:49] <rikva> Seveas: Personally I find the standard ubuntu repositories a bit small - for example, it has no airsnort afaik
[11:49] <Seveas> rikva, it has
[11:49] <dbernar1> stevenj: did you contact Comcast at all about this?
[11:49] <Seveas> rikva, you just need to enable universe
[11:49] <Seveas> !info airsnort
[11:49] <ubotu> airsnort: (WLAN sniffer), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 0.2.6-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 49 kB, Installed size: 180 kB
[11:50] <rikva> ah! :)
[11:50] <dbernar1> !info cokesnort-lol
[11:50] <Seveas> rikva, in fact: ubuntu has more than debian since it pulls from other repos too
[11:50] <ixion> basically, the reason I am asking these krb5 questions is, hi, I have installed a samba server and used winbind to integrate with AD users, this works fine for people on domain member computers using windows. When I use linux to try and connect to the samba share I cant authenticate, any ideas what syntax I am supposed to use for the username? eg [email protected] etc
[11:50] <rikva> !info universe
[11:50] <Seveas> ixion, try \\domain\user
[11:50] <stevenj> dbernar1, no I just got in from work and went to ubunu.com and then gnome-look and so I though google was down haha
[11:50] <MartenH> Seveas, will that add it to startup or just launch it for now?
[11:50] <dbernar1> rikva: ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components
[11:50] <Seveas> MartenH, just for now
[11:51] <dbernar1> stevenj: want me to ask them if there is an outage like that?
[11:51] <MartenH> Seveas, How do I set it up for startup?
[11:51] <Seveas> to add to startup: echo ovcamchip | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[11:51] <MartenH> Seveas, ty
[11:51] <rikva> Seveas: I use debian on my workstation, it can also use different repositories... I want to give kubuntu a try because i want up2date packages
[11:51] <stevenj> dbernar1, sure thanks
[11:51] <thoreauputic> rikva: !info only searches for packages as far as I know
[11:51] <dbernar1> stevenj: anyhow, known at this time...since there obviously is...
[11:51] <rikva> dbernar1: thanks
[11:51] <ixion> I've installed krb5, and winbind - does anyone know where I confgure winbind to join a domain and edit the krb5 options?
[11:51] <dbernar1> just a sec
[11:51] <Seveas> rikva, then give it a try :)
[11:51] <Phuzion> Hey, how do I update Mozilla without re-installing?
[11:51] <Phuzion> Firefox*
[11:51] <stevenj> dbernar1, how can you get that information...just curious
[11:51] <jowi> ixion, with mount -t smbfs or what?
[11:52] <dbernar1> hehe...
[11:52] <thoreauputic> Phuzion: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[11:52] <jowi> ixion, sorry, did not see the krb5 thing
[11:52] <ixion> jowi, I need to use active directory authentication, so before I can mount using samba I need to be able to authenticate
[11:52] <ixion> k :)
[11:52] <aceb747> topyli, do you think it is worth it to have the amd64 version?
[11:52] <rikva> ok Seveas thanks for the help, i'm heading to my bed
[11:52] <Seveas> 'night
[11:52] <jowi> ixion, yeah i realised that. i am not good enough on ad
[11:53] <cefx> Hi!
[11:53] <cefx> Amaranth, the 2.6.10-5-386 kernel isn't a security risk is it?
[11:53] <cefx> There's a kiddie crew that regularly tries to root me.
[11:53] <topyli> aceb747: i have no idea. you do have a 64 bit machine so you might want to run it. but some apps (multimedia, games) will require extra work
[11:54] <cefx> aceb747, I run regular i386 on my amd64
[11:54] <cefx> It's good. Although the amd64 install is way faster :)
[11:54] <Amaranth> cefx: i dunno, just use whatever the latest version is
[11:54] <cefx> heh ok
[11:55] <cefx> How do I do that in Ubuntu?
[11:55] <cefx> ( ) Linux Ubuntu 5.04 - hoary : 2.6.10-5-386, GNU/Linux | Xorg: 6.8.2 | : X-Chat v.2.4.3
[11:55] <topyli> aceb747: right now, the thing you need most is a working sources.list instead of mine :)
[11:55] <aceb747> cefx, what is your experience of running the amd64 version. is ia64 any better?
[11:55] <dbernar1> stevenj: they dont know about an outage.
[11:55] <cefx> aceb747, a little faster but it's not 100% just yet :)
[11:55] <HakonBH> algum do brasil?
[11:55] <cefx> Are you going to do a lot of multimedia?
[11:55] <cefx> use i386 if so
[11:55] <cefx> it's less heartache
[11:55] <aceb747> i think i will go with i386 then
[11:56] <aceb747> it is still a new install and easy to change it now rather than later
[11:56] <dbernar1> I suggest that you contact Comcast through Live chat, or 1-888-COMCAST. They will be able to assist you with this, either by getting Google working, or by making an investiugation ticket.
[11:56] <topyli> cefx: you have the latest kernel
[11:56] <cefx> topyli: thanks :)
[11:57] <cefx> Is it revision 5 or something?
[11:57] <stevenj> dbernar1, strange....I get to most things I think....I have'nt changed anything...firestarter is running in the bg with icmp filtering on
[11:57] <cefx> 2.6.10 is way better than 2.6.12.3
[11:57] <topyli> aceb747: true, once you customize it furtner you won't want to reinstall
[11:57] <dbernar1> stevenj: hey, I know what you should do.
[11:57] <HakonBH> what about 2.6.11?
[11:57] <dbernar1> do tracert www.google.com in a temrinal
[11:57] <topyli> HakonBH: it's b0rken
[11:57] <stevenj> dbernar1, whats that?
[11:57] <HakonBH> fock
[11:57] <cefx> HakonBH, most 2.6.* is in active development and all sorts of fucked up.
[11:57] <dbernar1> traces wehhre the issue begins.
[11:57] <cefx> oops
[11:57] <cefx> no cursing :P
[11:58] <nox> dbernar1, tracert is for windows, traceroute is for linux :)
[11:58] <HakonBH> it's compiling right now
[11:58] <HakonBH> 2.6.11
[11:58] <HakonBH> damn
[11:58] <dbernar1> nox: hah, sorry, thanks.
[11:58] <ChrischiO`GER> Sooooo...
[11:58] <Amaranth> The 2.6.11 package in hoary universe should _NOT_ be used.
[11:58] <HakonBH> oook
[11:58] <HakonBH> i'll stop
[11:58] <Amaranth> It isn't 2.6.11, it's a snapshot from some time after 2.6.10
[11:59] <topyli> HakonBH: your kernel might still work. the ubuntu package is broken
[11:59] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: can you think of any good reasons for it to still be there? (2.6.11)
[11:59] <Amaranth> yeah, the official kernel.org 2.6.11 should be good
[11:59] <HakonBH> ok, tomorrow i'm going to try a new compilation with 2.6.10
[11:59] <aceb747> lol, u know i reinstalled the ubuntu earlier cause i could not type my root in... LOL... thought it was kind of funny looking back at it
[11:59] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: it's useful if you know what you're doing and you have hardware that only it supports
[12:00] <dbernar1> stevenj: /join #flood and then type this as your message to the channel: /exec -o traceroute www.google.com
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2005-08-07-#ubuntu-devel
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[12:23] <Mez> elmo: any news on member email addresses yet?
[12:30] <ogra> AndyFitz, !
[12:30] <AndyFitz> ogra!
[12:31] <AndyFitz> good morning
[12:32] <ajmitch> hi AndyFitz
[12:33] <infinity> doko : Does openoffice.org2 really need to pull in half the compilers in main as a dependency? So much for "users don't need development environments"...
[12:33] <AndyFitz> g'day ajmitch
[12:35] <ogra> infinity, dont you get the conspiration ? gcc itself is a office environment now including java support, ooo2 is only the frontend ;)
[12:36] <Amaranth> oops, i just made smeg run into the gnome-vfs bug
[12:36] <ogra> wait until we start using gcc as desktop environment too :)
[12:36] <doko> infinity: no, that was a left over in java-gcj-compat, depending on java-gcj-compat-dev. will be fixed with a sync tomorrow
[12:36] <ajmitch> ogra: we can't have gcc taking the place of emacs
[12:37] <ogra> ajmitch, we dont need to, lets integrate them ;)
[12:38] <ogra> so you finally get mailreader support in gcc'through emacs
[12:38] <ogra> s/'//
[12:47] <infinity> doko : \o/
[12:53] <Amaranth> Mez: xfonts-utils?
[12:53] <bddebian> Heh
[12:53] <Mez> Amaranth, huh ?
[12:53] <Amaranth> the package that fixed everything
[12:53] <Mez> xfonts-base :D
[12:53] <Mez> lol
[12:53] <Mez> well
[12:53] <Mez> actually i'm not too usre
[12:53] <Mez> I er...
[12:54] <Mez> uninstalled ubuntu-desktop and all dependencies
[12:54] <Mez> and installed kubuntu-desktop :D
[12:54] <bddebian> Sacriledge
[12:55] <Mez> nah it aint
[12:55] <Mez> kubuntu rules the earth
[12:55] <bddebian> :-)
[01:07] <Mez> bddebian, I'm restarting X
[01:09] <lexhider> can anyone confirm a weird breezy evolution behaviour?
[01:11] <lexhider> tab cycles through widgets, shift-tab doesn't. (note that keyboard's working fine and shift-tab is working in firefox)
[01:15] <Mez> hmm
[01:15] <Mez> now I have breezy working
[01:15] <Mez> maybe i should try sid
[01:17] <Amaranth> for you
[01:18] <Mez> doesnt it work for you?
[01:19] <lexhider> and me as of last night, upgrade from hoary, need to install libfontenc 1st. X working for me though.
[01:20] <Mez> mako: ping
[01:20] <Amaranth> yeah, upgrades from hoary should work fine
[01:21] <Amaranth> it works for me, but i upgraded from hoary and cheated with mkfontdir from hoary
[01:21] <Amaranth> upgrading from colony 2 is supposedly broken
[01:22] <Nafallo> wfm, without more cheats than some local rebuilds (adding b-deps) :-)
[01:23] <Mez> Amaranth, I was originally colony 2
[01:23] <Mez> but i did a server install
[01:23] <Mez> I didnt do anything cept remove ubuntu-desktop (and all deps)
[01:24] <Mez> and install kubuntu-desktop
[01:24] <Amaranth> ah
[01:24] <Amaranth> that's why then
[01:24] <Mez> ... ?
[01:24] <Mez> It still depends on xserver-xorg
[01:24] <Amaranth> upgrading from the X in colony 2 is broken
[01:24] <Mez> which works now
[01:24] <Mez> sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorf
[01:24] <Mez> sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg *
[01:24] <tseng> Mez: uh
[01:24] <Amaranth> removing everything and reinstalling, yeah
[01:25] <tseng> Mez: does this ruby thing have *anything* to do with security?
[01:25] <tseng> Mez: or did i totally miss something
[01:25] <Mez> o_O
[01:25] <Mez> didnt they say it was shipping witha buggy beta version?
[01:25] <Amaranth> yes
[01:25] <tseng> buggy as in has bugs
[01:25] <tseng> not buggy as in exploitable
[01:25] <Amaranth> hoary-updates material, not hoary-security
[01:25] <Mez> and beta as in not secure
[01:25] <Amaranth> but i agree something should be done about it
[01:26] <Mez> ;)
[01:26] <tseng> well
[01:26] <tseng> if you read the bug, i am going to push him back in the hoary-backports direction now
[01:26] <Amaranth> appearently a couple of large bugs were fixed that break things like rails
[01:26] <tseng> the diff is too large
[01:26] <Amaranth> ah
[01:26] <Mez> emails pitti again
[01:28] <tseng> Mez: do you have a hoary pbuilder handy?
[01:28] <Mez> tseng: er.....
[01:28] <Mez> not in breezy
[01:29] <tseng> i didnt say breezy
[01:29] <Mez> I didnt either
[01:29] <Mez> I said not in breezy
[01:29] <tseng> so.. the question was
[01:29] <tseng> do you have a hoary pbuilder handy
[01:29] <Mez> if i reboot into hoary, yes
[01:29] <Mez> or I could chroot ...
[01:29] <tseng> I see.
[01:30] <Nafallo> Mez: I got a warty, hoary and a breezy pbuilder on my breezy installation :-).
[01:30] <tseng> Nafallo: wanna help me?
[01:30] <Mez> tseng: now I have
[01:30] <tseng> ok, anyone, please build rails from breezy in hoary pbuilder
[01:30] <Nafallo> tseng: sure, why not :-).
[01:30] <tseng> and we can resolve this in at least some fashion
[01:30] <Mez> tseng: for backports?
[01:30] <tseng> yep
[01:31] <tseng> the diff is 204k, its not -updates material
[01:32] <Mez> oh
[01:32] <Mez> ffs
[01:32] <Mez> brh
[01:32] <tseng> buh?
[01:33] <Nafallo> tseng: what do you want help with? :-)
[01:33] <tseng> Nafallo: i dont have a hoary pbuilder
[01:33] <tseng> it will take 30 seconds for someone who already does
[01:34] <Nafallo> where are the sources? :-)
[01:34] <tseng> http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/source/ruby1.8
[01:35] <Keybuk> dear gimp, you are not the best program to view images, kthxbye
[01:35] <tseng> Keybuk: good thing gthumb finally has a maintainer
[01:35] <Keybuk> actually, I somewhat thing eog is just right
[01:35] <tseng> Keybuk: it could potentially not suck someday
[01:35] <tseng> or am i thinking of eog
[01:36] <tseng> Keybuk: tried f-spot? :P
[01:36] <AndyFitz> tseng: f-spot rocks, but not for once-off viewing I think
[01:36] <tseng> once off, no
[01:37] <tseng> hi AndyFitz :)
[01:37] <Keybuk> f-spot sucked
[01:37] <Keybuk> it imported my album, and then ignored the carefully categorised directories everything was in and expected me to do it all again
[01:37] <Keybuk> ergo I don't use f-sport
[01:37] <Keybuk> s/r//
[01:37] <tseng> Keybuk: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12613
[01:37] <tseng> Keybuk: you agree this patch is too large for hoary-updates, right?
[01:38] <Mez> tseng: building
[01:38] <tseng> Keybuk: before i fully steer this nice people to backports.
[01:38] <AndyFitz> g'day tseng.
[01:39] <Keybuk> heh, probably
[01:39] <tseng> at that point we could backport a current rails also
[01:39] <Mez> tseng: rdoc 1.8.1 > 1.8.2 change...
[01:39] <Mez> that ok?
[01:39] <tseng> Mez: hm?
[01:39] <Mez> rails depends on 1.
[01:39] <Mez> 1.8.2
[01:39] <AndyFitz> I discovered that f-spot hidden mode is useful. and not just for pr0n. you can finally show family and friend photos to your new girlfriend while *skipping past * any photos of ex girlfriends ;-)
[01:39] <Mez> 1.8.1 = in hoary
[01:39] <tseng> Mez: thats the entire point.
[01:39] <tseng> Mez: of this discussion
[01:40] <Mez> ... /
[01:40] <tseng> RFB :)
[01:40] <Mez> RFB?
[01:40] <tseng> RTFB
[01:40] <Mez> AndyFitz, wha?
[01:40] <Mez> B ?
[01:40] <tseng> bug.
[01:40] <Mez> ah
[01:40] <Mez> link
[01:40] <tseng> < tseng> Keybuk: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12613
[01:41] <tseng> if you missed it the last 2 times
[01:41] <AndyFitz> Mez, nm
[01:41] <tseng> AndyFitz: oh dude. i got an apple cinema display
[01:41] <tseng> AndyFitz: pure love.
[01:42] <AndyFitz> tseng, pure jealosy
[01:42] <Mez> tseng: then shouldnt I try a ruby bp instead of a rails bp
[01:42] <tseng> Mez: did i not say ruby?
[01:42] <AndyFitz> did you know a cinema display ups your mojo
[01:42] <Mez> you said rails
[01:42] <Keybuk> tseng: not got a firefox nearby
[01:42] <tseng> hm i did
[01:42] <Keybuk> trying to drive a dvd and not doing too well
[01:43] <tseng> Mez: sorry, backport ruby, rails is just the end goal
[01:43] <Nafallo> hmm
[01:43] <tseng> i thin Nafallo is building the right thing anyway
[01:43] <Mez> tseng: ruby = debian native
[01:43] <Mez> that ok
[01:43] <Nafallo> I have to fix my mirror weirdness before being able to update stuff :-P
[01:43] <tseng> yeah I know
[01:44] <Mez> tseng: life will be so much easier when i get my pbuilds on dev.kubuntu.org.uk working
[01:44] <Keybuk> aha! I've found REWIND! :p
[01:45] <Mez> tseng, seems to build ok
[01:45] <tseng> Mez: rock on.
[01:45] <Mez> \o/
[01:45] <tseng> Mez: any chance we can kick off a backport of ruby1.8 then rails?
[01:45] <Mez> tseng
[01:45] <Mez> actually
[01:45] <Mez> one sec
[01:46] <Mez> nope, it built fine on hoary
[01:46] <tseng> k.
[01:46] <Mez> elmo: ping
[01:47] <Mez> hmm
[01:47] <Mez> it is working
[01:47] <Mez> just not outputting to soundcars
[01:47] <Mez> works if I switch to headset
[01:48] <Keybuk> WHAT KIND OF STUPID FUCKED UP USELESS PIECE OF CRAP SOFTWARE PUTS THE ONLY DOCUMENTATION FOR THE KEYS YOU _HAVE_ TO PRESS IN THE MANPAGE FOR THE CUNTING CONFIGURATION FILE("!("*$(*!("$*
[01:48] <Lathiat> Keybuk: come again?
[01:49] <tseng> possessed by the spirit of mjg59
[01:50] <Keybuk> ogle, no ui, just keys you press for which the documentation is in the proverbial toilet with the "beware of the leopard" sign on it
[01:50] <Mez> wtf
[01:50] <Mez> is going on
[01:53] <Mez> thats weird.
[01:53] <Mez> sounds works in breezy but not hoary
[01:53] <Mez> it used to work fine in hoary
[01:58] <Mez> tseng: whats your email address again?
[01:58] <tseng> [email protected]
[02:02] <Mez> [email protected]?
[02:02] <tseng> thats a black hole
[02:02] <Mez> lmao
[02:02] <Mez> why is it on your PGP key then
[02:02] <tseng> dont send mail there if you want me to read it :)
[02:02] <tseng> because i didnt take it off, I guess
[02:03] <Mez> lol
[02:04] <Mez> what did you do to get that?
[02:04] <tseng> Mez: http://www.gentoo.org/news/en/gwn/20040119-newsletter.xml
[02:04] <Mez> Gentoo/Hardened, *box window-managers
[02:05] <tseng> barely touched it in probably a year now
[02:05] <Mez> tseng: I'm sure you could have chosen a bettter picture
[02:05] <tseng> but thats my dirty past.
[02:05] <tseng> Mez: eh
[02:05] <tseng> i hate pictures
[02:05] <Mez> hard core metal music?
[02:05] <Mez> rock on :D
[02:06] <tseng> probably for the best.
[02:06] <Mez> but :D nice to know someone has good taste in music :d
[02:06] <Mez> lol
[02:07] <tseng> gah
[02:07] <tseng> i need to keep looking up the Markdown syntax for links
[02:07] <Mez> hehe
[02:07] <Mez> http://www.little-gamers.com/
[02:08] <Mez> lol
[02:08] <Nafallo> hmm
[02:09] <Nafallo> I should have fixed my sources.lists ages ago ;-)
[02:09] <Riddell> Mez: that sounds a bit scary
[02:09] <Mez> Riddell, well, pbuilds :d
[02:09] <Mez> but, I always refer to them as buildds
[02:09] <Riddell> ah, fine
[02:09] <Mez> they do the same job
[02:09] <Riddell> buildd's use sbuild or something I think
[02:10] <Mez> yeah they do
[02:10] <Mez> but pbuilds do the same job
[02:10] <Mez> cept, you run the commands manually
[02:13] <carstenh> when a packages in some of its maintainer-scripts changes a configuration-file of an other package which is created in postinst, the first package has to pre-depend on the second one, right?
[02:13] <Lathiat> anyone else upgrade recently and have lots of gtk stuff crashing all the time again
[02:14] <carstenh> hmm, bad sentence structur :/
[02:14] <Nafallo> Lathiat: indeed
[02:14] <Mez> my kubuntu works shinehly
[02:15] <Nafallo> Mez: bleeh :-P
[02:15] <Mez> though my hoarys broke now :d
[02:15] <Lathiat> Nafallo: hrm
[02:15] <Lathiat> Nafallo: will a restart help?
[02:15] <infinity> carstenh : No.
[02:15] <Nafallo> Lathiat: naah, I had this for days :-/
[02:15] <Lathiat> Nafallo: oh, that one was fixed before with libcairo1
[02:15] <Nafallo> Lathiat: or atleast for the weekend
[02:15] <Lathiat> but i just upgraded now and its happening again
[02:15] <Lathiat> oh well
[02:15] <Lathiat> i'll restart mny session
[02:15] <infinity> carstenh : Unless you have a dependency loop (don't do that, then), packages are configured in order of depends.
[02:15] <Lathiat> see what happens
[02:16] <infinity> carstenh : So, your postinst will run after the other package's postinst, meaning it will have the right file available to edit. No need to pre-depends, unless you need it in your preinst (eww)
[02:16] <Nafallo> Lathiat: I have a cronjob fetching Packages @ :05 and :35 every our. I'm up-to-date :-). stuff is still crashing.
[02:16] <carstenh> infinity: i did not know that, thanks a lot :)
[02:16] <Lathiat> Nafallo: haha
[02:16] <Nafallo> s/our/hour/ :-)
[02:17] <infinity> carstenh : It's in debian policy, section 7.2, I recommend reading it (and many other sections, for that matter)
[02:17] <Lathiat> i hope this gtk icon size thing gets fixed soon
[02:17] <Lathiat> its really started to drive me bonkers
[02:17] <Nafallo> hehe
[02:20] <jdub> ahr, pants off
[02:20] <carstenh> infinity: you are right, i'd better read the whole policy from the first section to the last and not only the points that seem intresting to me ;)
[02:21] <tseng> jdub: yarrrr
[02:21] <infinity> carstenh : Not necessarily necessary to read it all, you'll forget it anyway, but I'd recommend skimming it, and knowing basically what content it has, so you can refer back to it when you have questions like this, rather than asking around.
[02:23] <carstenh> infinity: i read that part a very long time ago and thought i would be right with my pre-depends :/ thanks a lot for your help
[02:24] <infinity> carstenh : THere's a reason why policy recommends mailing debian-devel before implementing a pre-depends in a package, it's because 99% of the time, a pre-depends isn't necessary, and someone will smack you down and tell you so. :)
[02:24] <carstenh> :)
[02:26] <Mez> why are all the fonts bigger in breezy?
[02:26] <infinity> iz gtk bug.
[02:26] <infinity> (iz also known bug, being worked out, apparently)
[02:26] <Mez> ah ... fair enough
[02:29] <tseng> Mez: thanks dude.
[02:29] <Mez> tseng: what for?
[02:29] <tseng> for kicking the backport
[02:31] <Mez> tseng: Itll take a few years till It's in there
[02:31] <tseng> years?
[02:31] <Mez> well, it'll be done when elmo gets around to it
[02:35] <tseng> yes
[02:36] <Mez> whenever tha tbe
[04:11] <Mez> mdz: apologies... was using-devel as it was referring to breezy/hoary disputes
[04:31] <wasabi> Curiously, why isn't there a linux-image-2.6.12-6-k8 ?
[04:31] <wasabi> or whatever they call amd64s
[04:33] <infinity> # linux-image-2.6.12-6-amd64-k8-smp_2.6.12-6.6_amd64.deb
[04:33] <infinity> # linux-image-2.6.12-6-amd64-k8_2.6.12-6.6_amd64.deb
[04:33] <wasabi> not running in 64 bit mode.
[04:33] <wasabi> ie amd64 platform.
[04:33] <infinity> wasabi : Or are you looking for k8 images on an i386 system?
[04:33] <wasabi> Just curious.
[04:34] <wasabi> Yeah, i386 system.
[04:34] <infinity> Ahh, in that case, the answer is "cause there isn't".
[04:34] <wasabi> I guess I will be until I know multiarch is done proper. ;)
[04:34] <infinity> Anyone who wants a high performance k8 system will be running amd64 binaries, not i386.
[04:35] <wasabi> How is the parallel installation of libs?
[04:35] <infinity> "Not there yet".
[04:35] <wasabi> So, your previous statement was wrong.
[04:36] <infinity> But coming along.
[04:36] <infinity> What was wrong about it?
[04:36] <wasabi> Anyone who wants a high performance system will only run amd64 binaries if they use no software that doesn't use a big ass 32bit stack.
[04:37] <infinity> Oh, for commercial binaries, the ia32-libs package on amd64 should be enough to get them all going.
[04:37] <wasabi> What about commercial binaries that use gtk?
[04:37] <mdz> are there commercial apps which link dynamically with gtk?
[04:38] <wasabi> My company has a number of in house ones.
[04:38] <wasabi> I mena.
[04:38] <wasabi> I could build a big ass gtk 32 bit stack.
[04:38] <mdz> really? that were bought from another company?
[04:38] <wasabi> But that's a pain in the ass.
[04:38] <wasabi> Yeah. Out sourced.
[04:38] <infinity> Looks like we ship GTK in ia32-libs, yes.
[04:38] <wasabi> Oh wow.
[04:38] <mdz> we do have ia32-libs-gtk
[04:39] <mdz> but I really wouldn't expect anything but oo.o to use it
[04:39] <infinity> Right, ia32-libs-gtk is GTK 2.0, ia32-libs appears to have GTK 1.2 in it.
[04:39] <infinity> So, both bases covered.
[04:40] <infinity> But, yeah, I assumed anyone using GTK statically linked to it.
[04:40] <infinity> That's generally the case with QT.
[04:40] <infinity> Live and learn, I guess.
[04:40] <wasabi> Well, it is nice to know that people actually use GTK I'm sure.
[04:40] <wasabi> And expect it to have some sort of stability. ;)
[04:41] <infinity> Stability isn't the issue, when dynamically linking closed binaries to it, you're epxecting standardisation on specific versions. I didn't think the LSB specified GTK ABI...
[04:41] <wasabi> Why would a company follow the LSB?
[04:42] <infinity> Because that's the sane way to make sure things might work on more than one system?
[04:42] <wasabi> Pssh.
[04:42] <infinity> (Or, just statically link everything but libc, which is what most people seem to do)
[04:42] <wasabi> Company's will pick whatever API is available and use it to the best of their ability.
[04:42] <wasabi> Lesson #1 in commercial software.
[04:42] <wasabi> Don't give a company an API you don't want them to use.
[04:42] <infinity> They can use whatever API they want, it's the ABI I'm arguing about.
[04:43] <infinity> It's not rocket science to statically link a bunch of junk into your binary before you ship it.
[04:43] <infinity> Sure, it bloats your installer a bit, but it "just works", and customers like things that work.
[04:43] <infinity> Customers are weird that way.
[04:43] <wasabi> Eh. Sure. You just overestimate the planning capability of out sourced developers.
[04:44] <wasabi> Think of it like the Windows realm.
[04:44] <infinity> I'd prefer not to. :)
[04:44] <wasabi> You pay somebody, they go type a bunch and get it done as fast as possible, they don't focus on what is best for long term maintainability.
[04:44] <wasabi> They just get it done and deliver a product.
[04:44] <wasabi> I can wrangle up the source for this, I just prefer not to.
[04:44] <infinity> I can't count the number of times Windows programmers decided that downgrading half the DLLs on my system was a good idea, until Microsoft finally built in version overwrite checks to prevent that very problem.
[04:45] <bddebian> DLL hell? ;-)
[04:46] <HrdwrBoB> wasabi: depends
[04:46] <HrdwrBoB> a lot of that is lowest bidder syndrome
[04:46] <HrdwrBoB> where you get what you paid for
[04:47] <infinity> wasabi : But yeah, I understand, hunting down source and fixing the root issue sucks when you have an installer that already may work. So, give it a spin with amd64+ia32-libs{,-gtk} and see if it loves you.
[04:53] <Amaranth> ook, latest openoffice2 packages break the menu icons
[04:54] <wasabi> I also worry about stuff like Gnome itself.
[04:54] <wasabi> People totally want to write software using gnome!
[04:54] <Amaranth> icon names changed to openofficeorg-19-writer and etc, menu files are still using ooo-writer
[04:55] <Amaranth> wasabi: I'm totally writing software using GNOME. :)
[06:22] <mrd`> Does Breezy's kernel still have the initrd-dsdt patch?
[06:50] <crimsun> mrd`: afaik, yes.
[06:50] <mrd`> crimsun: dmesg doesn't show the 'looking for dsdt patch' message anymore
[06:51] <mrd`> ... nevermind... I'm stupid.
[06:51] <crimsun> heh.
[06:51] <crimsun> was just about to mention that =)
[06:51] <mrd`> :-)
[06:52] <crimsun> morning, pitti
[06:52] <pitti> Good morning
[06:52] <pitti> Hi crimsun
[06:53] <crimsun> I wonder what I should do about vlc (universe), since if it's built with ffmpeg support, it needs postproc support, but breezy's libpostproc-dev is in multiverse.
[06:53] <Treenaks> ok, some ubuntu people use grouphug: http://grouphug.us/confessions/446335517
[06:57] <pitti> lol
[06:58] <HrdwrBoB> crimsun: the vlc ffmpeg can't be seperated?
[06:59] <crimsun> HrdwrBoB: it is. The version in Hoary included ffmpeg, so it wasn't an issue.
[06:59] <crimsun> HrdwrBoB: unfortunately, Debian removed that included ffmpeg in the next package revision.
[07:01] <HrdwrBoB> ah
[07:06] <Amaranth> crimsun: i'm guessing vlc gets to migrate to multiverse
[07:06] <Amaranth> crimsun: i find it hard to believe it isn't there now
[07:06] <Amaranth> crimsun: vlc without ffmpeg is worthless
[07:06] <crimsun> migrating it to multiverse is probably the most efficient solution.
[07:07] <crimsun> the ideal solution would be to migrate libpostproc* to universe, but I don't foresee that
[07:12] <HrdwrBoB> Treenaks: http://grouphug.us/confessions/733850316 ...
[07:14] <crimsun> I think for now I'll just disable the postproc code
[07:16] <HrdwrBoB> what use is vlc without it?
[07:16] <HrdwrBoB> will it work for most peoples purposes?
[07:17] <crimsun> well if I disable postproc, ffmpeg will just be missing postproc, but vlc will still be able to use ffmpeg
[07:18] <crimsun> unless you do major tweaking to your pictures, you won't notice any difference
[07:22] <Amaranth> i make mencoder cry
[07:40] <sivang> Morning
[07:44] <pitti> Hi sivang
[07:55] <crimsun> morning JaneW
[07:56] <JaneW> hi crimsun
[07:57] <sivang> Hi pitti
[07:57] <sivang> pitti: file-roller launchpadized is finally in ;)
[07:57] <sivang> pitti: need to continue at full thrust to completion
[08:09] <daniels> mjg59: next upload will have it fine, as the gcc fix is already in
[08:10] <daniels> mdz: setxkbmap -print | xkbcomp - :0
[08:10] <daniels> mdz: you probably need sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/xkeyboard-config_0.5-3_all.deb
[08:16] <lexhider> I've seen a lot of launchpadized stuff in breezy-changes, what's it mean though?
[08:17] <Burgundavia> lexhider, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/LaunchpadIntegration
[08:21] <lexhider> Burgundavia, thanks
[08:22] <Burgundavia> lexhider, np
[08:34] <sivang> lexhider: we are going to enable users to access launchpad action applicable per each desktop seed app from the apps own help menu
[08:35] <sivang> lexhider: if you are using breezy, you can check out file-roller , and evince to reach the placeholder page already
[09:20] <doko> mvo: ping
[09:46] <mvo> elmo: can you please sync baobab from unstable (universe package, I ask for dholbach he has network trouble)
[09:48] <doko> mvo: please can you reupload aptitude? synced libsigc++-1.2 soname
[09:49] <mvo> doko: ok
[09:50] <davyd_> is Thom May around?
[09:50] <davyd_> I would really love to know how to unbreak my NetworkManager
[09:51] <Treenaks> davyd_: wait for an update, I guess
[09:51] <davyd_> it is complaining it is missing the binary 'no'
[09:51] <davyd_> this does not appear to be dragged in by a dependancy
[09:51] <davyd_> and in fact, is proving rather elusive to track down
[09:51] <Burgundavia> davyd_, I don't think that Thom is doing NM anymore
[09:51] <Amaranth> i don't think thom works on network manager anymore
[09:52] <davyd_> is anyone working on NetworkManager, or has it been abandoned?
[09:52] <Burgundavia> someone else is
[09:52] <robitaille> so what does Thom do these days? he doesn't seem to do FF either
[09:52] <Burgundavia> irc nick is escaping me
[09:53] <Amaranth> robitaille: he got a new job or something
[09:55] <daniels> davyd_: other people are working on NM
[09:55] <daniels> and seb128 now maintains firefox
[09:55] <daniels> everyone send your firefox questions to seb
[09:55] <Burgundavia> daniels, you are pure evil
[09:55] <davyd_> daniels: who?
[09:56] <Lathiat> because it was broken
[09:56] <seb128> daniels: don't cry you can get firefox if you want, I'm not like that
[09:56] <daniels> seb128: it's all yours. i wouldn't want to deprive you.
[09:57] <Treenaks> robitaille: you're the reassign-master already
[09:57] <jdub> yo seb128
[09:58] <robitaille> Treenaks: yeah...I feel guilty of spamming too many people these days...
[09:58] <Treenaks> robitaille: launchpad should auto-assign Universe bugs to MOTU I guess?
[09:58] <seb128> hey jdub
[09:59] <sivang> bon jour seb128 , still didn't hear from jamesh
[09:59] <seb128> hi
[09:59] <robitaille> Treenaks: is there a list of all universe packages in LP? I wonder if it's something that will have to be done manually. If it is what the motu team wants
[10:00] <Treenaks> robitaille: there should be right?
[10:00] <davyd_> does anyone have an old NetworkManager package handy?
[10:01] <pitti> Morning seb128
[10:01] <pitti> seb128: you recently enabled the cairo backend for SVG rendering in firefox, didn't you?
[10:02] <seb128> hey pitti
[10:02] <seb128> pitti: no, I've not changed anything to firefox
[10:02] <seb128> pitti: I've only patched for some bugs but not changed a build option, why ?
[10:02] <pitti> seb128: oh, I thought, because it build-deps on libcairo1-dev
[10:03] <seb128> that's not new
[10:03] <seb128> thom did
[10:03] <pitti> seb128: I'm currently packaging mozilla 1.7.11 and tried to enable cairo, but it FTBFS due to a cairo API breakage
[10:03] <pitti> seb128: ok, thanks
[10:03] <pitti> seb128: if it used cairo, then ffox would be ftbfs now, but if not, nevermind
[10:04] <seb128> why?
[10:04] <seb128> ffox uses cairo
[10:05] <seb128> but they changed like 3 functions and it doesn't use those
[10:05] <pitti> seb128: ffox and moz call "cairo_create()", but that takes a parameter now
[10:05] <pitti> seb128: I added a parameter, but then it fails again on another function, then I just gave up and fixed the libart backend instead
[10:05] <jdub> damn parameters! they get in everything!
[10:05] <pitti> seb128: I try to build ffox
[10:05] <jdub> like sand in your swimmers at the beach
[10:05] <pitti> Hi jdub!
[10:06] <pitti> jdub: do you know the reason why whe can't ship howl? that was a patent issue, right?
[10:06] <Treenaks> pitti: Apple/GPL license incompatibility
[10:06] <Treenaks> afaik
[10:06] <jdub> pitti: no, the mDNSResponder is APSL2
[10:07] <jdub> not a license incompatibility between any software
[10:07] <seb128> ~ cairo_create(void) -> cairo_create(cairo_surface_t *)
[10:07] <jdub> just a general legal incompatibility ;-)
[10:07] <seb128> that's for 0.5.0
[10:07] <Treenaks> jdub: oh, non-free-ness of APSL2?
[10:07] <jdub> yeah
[10:07] <seb128> let's ship bonjour
[10:07] <bob2> how's the Free clone coming along?
[10:07] <seb128> that's a bsd one :)
[10:07] <jdub> seb128: the mDNSResponder is still APSL
[10:08] <pitti> seb128: oh, nevermind, ffox gets build with --disable-svg; a pity :-/
[10:09] <pitti> seb128: supporting svg would be nice
[10:09] <seb128> pitti: why?
[10:09] <sivang> seb128: it's mDNSResponder clone?
[10:09] <seb128> clone of what?
[10:09] <bob2> FF 1.5 allegedly hasw working svg support
[10:09] <pitti> mozilla is built with svg support, too
[10:09] <sivang> seb128: bonjour, is a clone of mDNSResponder ?
[10:09] <janimo> bob2, it indeed has I played svg tetris with it :)
[10:09] <jdub> bob2: stfu, version pimp!
[10:09] <jdub> sivang: it is an mDNS responder
[10:10] <Lathiat> sivang: bonjour is apples implementation of multicast dns service discovery
[10:10] <seb128> pitti:
[10:10] <jdub> sivang: bonjour is the api you use to talk to the responder
[10:10] <seb128> jui 29 22:39:43 <tor_> seb128: the cairo code in 1.0.x is extremely old at this point, and shouldn't be used. it was just a proof-of-concept at that time
[10:10] <bob2> jdub: hey, it comes out in september, plenty of time to move to a new major version after the preview releases
[10:10] <bob2> janimo: hah, pimp
[10:10] <pitti> seb128: right, I noticed that; but why not use the libart backend?
[10:10] <seb128> pitti: that's from #cairo
[10:11] <jdub> pitti: libart is differently broken ;)
[10:12] <seb128> pitti: I don't maintain firefox, I use epiphany-browser ... feel free to change it ..
[10:13] <pitti> jdub: well, it worked up to 1.7.10, and now upstream removed the code from the sources
[10:13] <pitti> jdub: I just added it again for now to make it work again
[10:14] <sivang> jdub,Lathiat : thx
[10:51] <seb128> daniels: around?
[11:24] <Mez> hmm
[11:24] <Mez> gksudo doesnt exist in breezy
[11:24] <Mez> not in the gksu pacakge anyways
[11:24] <bob2> it does according to the Contents files
[11:25] <bob2> (which could well be out of date)
[11:26] <seb128> $ dpkg -S /usr/bin/gksudo
[11:26] <seb128> gksu: /usr/bin/gksudo
[11:36] <\sh> ok..hibernating works...but after coming back from hinbernate, the usb ports and ethernet port aren't reinitialised
[11:37] <bob2> how did you hibernate?
[11:37] <bob2> by running /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh?
[11:44] <\sh> bob2: no...with klaptop applet..and I think it will call something like hinbernate.sh...i need to have a closer look
[11:45] <bob2> so try and see if the script works
[11:45] <bob2> it does some neccessary module unloading/reloading for you
[11:46] <pitti> Hi carstenh
[11:46] <sivang> hey carstenh , pitti
[11:48] <\sh> bob2: i will debug this later...right now I disabled hinbernating on this hp nc6000
[11:50] <carstenh> hi sivang, hi pitti
[12:06] <pitti> seb128: I want to play around with libnotify, I can possibly use it for the audio hotplugging response
[12:06] <pitti> seb128: however, which package contains the daemon?
[12:07] <seb128> pitti: notification-daemon
[12:07] <seb128> pitti: libnotify package has a test/ dir with a pile of example if you want to play with it
[12:07] <pitti> uh, thanks. sorry, "apt-cache search libnotify daemon" didn't reveal it
[12:07] <ogra> pitti, look at hughsies power-manager code for examples ;) he uses it extensively
[12:07] <seb128> it displays all sort of message on different places of screen
[12:08] <seb128> better to look on libnotify examples imho
[12:08] <pitti> $ notify-send Test
[12:08] <seb128> examples are better than getting bits out of a big piece of code
[12:08] <pitti> that does fine as a first try :-)
[12:08] <ogra> oh, i havent looked yet, i didnt know they have examples
[12:09] <pitti> seb128: the examples should be shipped in /usr/share/doc/libnotify-dev/examples :-)
[12:09] <pitti> seb128: but I'll look in the source. Thank you!
[12:09] <seb128> pitti: technically that's a test-suite, but that can be used as examples :)
[12:09] <seb128> np
[12:10] <seb128> pitti: BTW that's really trivial to send a notification with it :)
[12:10] <ogra> elmo, did you get dholbachs sync request for baobab yesterday ? if not, please sync it from debian...
[12:10] <seb128> is there any plan to move libnotify to main?
[12:10] <pitti> $ notify-send -t 5 'New sound card detected' 'You can make the new sound card the default device in System -> Settings -> Audio'
[12:10] <pitti> that'll do for now :-)
[12:10] <ogra> seb128, if g-p-m goes to main it has to follow ;)
[12:11] <seb128> pitti: useful, isn't it ? :)
[12:11] <pitti> seb128: yes, and really trivial
[12:11] <pitti> seb128: I think I just call notify-send in gnome-volume-manager, that will avoid dependencies and give loose coupling
[12:12] <seb128> k
[12:12] <ogra> heh, yes you can clutter your desktop with tons of useless messages... wait for the bad designed UIs :)
[12:12] <seb128> if you want to use it, that's a 1 function call too
[12:12] <pitti> seb128: doing this in g-v-m is not a permanent solution anyway
[12:12] <seb128> notify_send_notification ()
[12:12] <pitti> seb128: right, I just asked myself whether I should depend on libnotify0
[12:12] <seb128> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.4-1), libdbus-1-1 (>= 0.34), libdbus-glib-1-1 (>= 0.34), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.7.1), libpopt0 (>= 1.7
[12:12] <pitti> seb128: but if we will have it in main, then that's a non-issue
[12:13] <seb128> Installed-Size: 76
[12:13] <seb128> not a big deal :p
[12:13] <seb128> pitti: if we push it to main gnome-applets can me use of it
[12:13] <seb128> s/me use/make use/
[12:13] <ogra> pitti, just approve the new g-p-m and we'll have it in main :)
[12:13] <pitti> seems like a good idea if gnome adopts it anyway
[12:20] <pitti> seb128: if I install I new app, it doesn't appear in the menu until I killall gnome-panel; is this still an inotify bug? or a gamin one?
[12:21] <seb128> pitti: gamin one to change
[12:21] <seb128> pitti: but there is good news: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gamin-list/2005-July/msg00062.html
[12:22] <seb128> "I'm attaching a patch that fixes the reference counting bugs
[12:22] <seb128> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172365 ,
[12:22] <seb128> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=302236 , and countless distro
[12:22] <seb128> specific bug reports."
[12:22] <seb128>
[12:22] <seb128> so maybe next gamin will work now ... :)
[12:23] <pitti> let's cross fingers...
[12:23] <seb128> atm notification are b0rked all over the place :(
[12:23] <ogra> pitti, did you notice that according to www.redhat.com you still live in the gdr ? http://www.redhat.com/g/promos/second_intelvid_050726.png
[12:25] <pitti> ogra: hm?
[12:25] <ogra> look at the map :)
[12:25] <azeem> ogra: reload
[12:25] <azeem> the changed it
[12:25] <ogra> HAHAHAH
[12:25] <azeem> they, even
[12:25] <ogra> lol, thats funny...
[12:25] <azeem> http://blog.schmehl.info/Debian/red-hat-europe-map-2
[12:25] <pitti> ogra: I'm afraid I don't understand...
[12:26] <azeem> pitti: http://blog.schmehl.info/Debian/red-hat-europe-map
[12:26] <pitti> ogra: I see a blue shape of europe with three yellow stars
[12:26] <ogra> pitti, yesterday tere were borders on the map :)
[12:26] <pitti> ogra: oh, I see on the blog page :-) LOL
[12:26] <pitti> ogra: the current image doesn't have borders
[12:26] <ogra> pitti, and apparently it ws older then 16 years :)
[12:29] <pitti> seb128: AFAICS libnotify0 should depend on notification-daemon, or is there any reason why it shouldn't?
[12:29] <pitti> seb128: (at least recommend)
[12:31] <seb128> pitti: I've packaged it before the daemon, but right ... Depends or Recommends ?
[12:32] <pitti> seb128: well, if you don't want notifications, it should be possible to uninstlal n-d
[12:32] <pitti> seb128: as long as apps work without the daemon, then Recommends (and explicit seeding) seems to be right
[12:34] <pitti> seb128: nice examples, some don't work, but most do :-)
[12:34] <seb128> pitti: which one doesn't?
[12:34] <seb128> and I agree with the Recommends
[12:34] <pitti> seb128: test-animation just barfs with some assertion failures
[12:35] <seb128> right
[12:35] <pitti> seb128: and I guess test-error is supposed to throw an assert? :-)
[12:36] <seb128> probably yeah
[12:42] <Kamion> infinity: could you retry libdebian-installer on ia64, please? "checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables" doesn't look like a problem with the package
[12:44] <daniels> seb128: iz gtk boog
[12:44] <seb128> daniels: ah, you are here :)
[12:45] <seb128> # Xnest :1
[12:45] <seb128> Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/, removing from list!
[12:45] <seb128> Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID/, removing from list!
[12:45] <seb128> Fatal server error:
[12:45] <seb128> could not open default font 'fixed';
[12:45] <seb128>
[12:45] <seb128> what should I change to start Xnest?
[12:45] <seb128> that breaks sabayon ...
[12:45] <seb128> and I would like to play with the new version before uploading it
[12:46] <pitti> Hi sjoerd
[12:46] <janimo> seb128 did you have a modified xorg.conf?
[12:46] <janimo> in that case the upgrade does not touch it
[12:46] <janimo> the fonts have moved
[12:47] <seb128> what font?
[12:47] <seb128> xorg.org has no X11R6 mention
[12:47] <ogra> seb128, which config does xnest read...
[12:47] <ogra> there must be a custom config anywhere, i doubt its hardcoded
[12:47] <janimo> I know I had those errors, fonts moved to /usr/share or something
[12:47] <daniels> seb128: oh yeah, I meant to fix that
[12:51] <seb128> daniels: is that something to change locally or something you have to fix?
[12:51] <seb128> daniels: ie: can I give it a try now or should I wait for your fixed version?
[12:52] <doko> daniels: do we get a shiny new xorg today?
[12:55] <daniels> doko: yeah, when I've unpacked my computer
[12:55] <daniels> i'm sitting in the lounge with my laptop trying to find my charger so I don't have to drop offline in 20min
[12:56] <daniels> seb128: edit the binary, grep for /usr/X11R6, change it to the right path, pad with NULs as required
[12:56] <doko> cool, no new empty packages please ;-P
[12:57] <seb128> daniels: k, thanks. And you have planned to fix it this week? There is no real point for me to update sabayon if Xnest is b0rked
[12:57] <daniels> doko: which video driver do you use?
[12:57] <daniels> seb128: i'll try to fix it in -44 (next upload)
[12:57] <seb128> thanks
[12:58] <doko> depends, ati and fglrx
[12:58] <ogra> Kamion, /usr/lib/oem-config/locale/localechooser: line 500: [: de_DE.UTF-8,: binary operator expected
[12:58] <doko> daniels: depends, ati and fglrx
[12:59] <daniels> doko: the next release of xorg will have an empty -driver-ati, just for you :P
[01:00] <Nafallo> daniels: *grumpf*
[01:00] <doko> daniels: fine, please name the package it -driver-ati-doko ;)
[01:00] <daniels> heh
[01:00] <ogra> Kamion, it exits with __main__.WizardException: Menu item keyboard exited 256 (oem-config that is)
[01:05] <Kamion> ogra: could you run oem-config under OEM_CONFIG_DEBUG=1 DEBCONF_DEBUG='.*' and send me /var/log/oem-config.log, please?
[01:05] <ogra> sure
[01:05] <Kamion> thanks
[01:06] <Kamion> though I do see a problem on that line - fixing upstream
[01:07] <Kamion> still, debug would be useful anyway to verify that it's that
[01:18] <ogra> Kamion, it doesnt produce this file by default ?
[01:24] <[linesca] > Kamion: you got a minute ?
[01:26] <ogra> Kamion, [linesca] is about to test our ltsp on a big HW setup, but he cant manage to get the installer to boot on the blade servers
[01:28] <Kamion> ogra: it does, but there isn't so much in it by default
[01:28] <Kamion> [linesca] : I'm kind of buried in complicated code at the moment - how's it going wrong?
[01:29] <ogra> Kamion, there was no file in /var/log ... i had to rdirect the terminal output...
[01:29] <Kamion> ogra: oh, right, the oem-config-dm mini-display-manager creates it
[01:29] <ogra> ah
[01:29] <Kamion> ogra: sure, redirect the terminal output, that'll do
[01:29] <ogra> already sent it...
[01:30] <[linesca] > Kamion, kernel panic pivot_root no such file 428 cannot open dev/console
[01:30] <ogra> hmm, so i have to look at the mini-display-manaer too :)
[01:30] <ogra> manager even
[01:30] <[linesca] > ogra: your fingers work as well as mine :)
[01:30] <ogra> heh
[01:31] <Kamion> [linesca] : at what stage?
[01:31] <[linesca] > Kamion: on boot starting Ubuntu
[01:31] <Kamion> [linesca] : I mean, when you boot the installer, or after you've run through the first stage of the installer and rebooted?
[01:32] <[linesca] > sorry on reboot
[01:32] <Kamion> [linesca] : ok - that'll be an initrd-tools problem. I don't know so much about that; jbailey is the local expert.
[01:34] <Kamion> I *think* it would probably be possible to fix up the initrd by changing 'MODULES=dep' to 'MODULES=most' in /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf and running 'mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-`uname -r` /lib/modules/`uname -r`'; you can do that from the CD's rescue mode
[01:34] <Kamion> but jbailey will probably want to debug the problem first
[01:35] <[linesca] > when is he normally around ?
[01:35] <ogra> he lives in canada
[01:36] <ogra> so in a hour or two i'D guess
[01:36] <[linesca] > still in bed then :)
[01:37] <[linesca] > ogra: I got stuff to do, I will try to get this resolved later
[01:37] <ogra> [linesca] , ok, thanks for the effort :)
[01:38] <[linesca] > np, I am keen to see what you guys have done
[01:43] <jordi> carlos: hey
[01:43] <carlos> morning
[01:44] <jordi> carlos: I remembered I have doctor at 17:30. Maybe I arrive home a bit later than 19:00, I hope that's ok
[01:44] <carlos> jordi, I will be here, just ping me when you are back
[01:44] <sivang> ogra: are oem-config packages already available?
[01:44] <jordi> ok
[01:45] <ogra> sivang, look at the archive...
[01:45] <sivang> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe oem-config 0.1
[01:45] <sivang> 404 Not Found [IP: 82.211.81.151 80]
[01:46] <bob2> does dak itself update dists/ and pool/ in the right order?
[01:46] <Kamion> sivang: it's in main
[01:46] <Kamion> update
[01:46] <sivang> Kamion: I just did :-/
[01:47] <sivang> Kamion: I'll retry, thx
[01:47] <Kamion> cjwatson@jackass:~$ zcat ftp/dists/breezy/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz | grep-dctrl -PXnsFilename oem-config
[01:47] <Kamion> pool/main/o/oem-config/oem-config_0.1_all.deb
[01:50] <sivang> Kamion: works now
[01:50] <sivang> wow, nice , can one use this to configure his ubuntu system not neccessairily use it for oems ?
[01:51] <sivang> doh, that's what it meant to do - reading the pkg description
[01:51] <ogra> sivang, its the "run after first boot" tool
[01:51] <Kamion> sivang: I only intend to support it for OEMs at the moment
[01:52] <sivang> Kamion: so regular users who install ubuntu get to do configuratoin before the first boot as was before?
[01:52] <Kamion> sivang: yes, absolutely
[01:52] <Kamion> I don't want oem-config to be part of the default install path
[01:52] <Kamion> but it's reasonably generic, so one *could* use it for post-install reconfiguration
[01:53] <Kamion> and of course that's a straightforward way to test it
[01:53] <sivang> Kamion: looks somewhat freindlier then debconf's front end, is the kyboard layout detection code from smurfix's ?
[01:53] <Kamion> sivang: not at the moment, no
[01:53] <Kamion> I'm not sure I'll have time to work that in for breezy
[01:54] <Kamion> it is actually a rather specialised debconf frontend itself
[01:54] <Kamion> (oem-config, that is)
[01:54] <sivang> Kamion: so it's yet another frotend, and uses debconf protocol , cool
[01:55] <Kamion> yes, it intercepts the debconf protocol and pops up widgets of its own when it spots questions it's been told to recognise
[01:55] <Kamion> the interface is a bit ropey still; I think it should probably all be in a single window rather than popping up a dialog for each step, for instance
[01:57] <sivang> Kamion: have you given thought to to do the same to produce a debconf graphical front end, to be possibly used in install time ?
[01:57] <sivang> Kamion: (I agree with having it in one window and being able to change stuff in an "event" mode rather then incrementally)
[01:59] <Kamion> sivang: yes, of course; it may be possible to use some similar techniques, although in the installer I think cdebconf's custom widget support might prove to be a better bet
[01:59] <Kamion> programming in the oem-config debconffilter framework is interesting; I think it might prove to be too complex and hard to get right for general installer programming
[02:00] <Kamion> instant-apply dialogs are also liable to prove pretty tricky to do this way
[02:00] <Kamion> although it can be done, theoretically
[02:02] <Kamion> there were really two reasons I chose the filter approach: (1) it involved a startlingly small amount of code duplication; (2) perl debconf doesn't have custom widget support yet
[02:08] <sivang> Kamion: did you code it in perl as well? (like most of debconf , I presume)
[02:12] <sivang> Kamion: ah it's in python ofcourse :)
[02:37] <pitti> yay, my at derooting patch was accepted in Debian
[02:41] <sivang> pitti: cool for you , Martin :)
[02:44] <sivang> Kamion: how can I see the Gtk frontend for oem-config?
[02:47] <ogra> sivang, run it ?
[02:53] <\sh> hmmm...I just ordered a free ticket for LinuxWorldExpo in November for FFM
[02:58] <sivang> ogra: tried. Getting an error in pythoo
[02:59] <ogra> sivang, did you run it with sudo ?
[03:01] <sivang> ogra: yes
[03:04] <Kamion> sivang: I'd like debugging info
[03:18] <ogra> \sh, look that it doesnt clash with the ubuntu conference ;)
[03:18] <sivang> \sh: free ticker?
[03:18] <sivang> \sh: how so?
[03:19] <sivang> Kamion: I'm making sure it's not something stupid that I do that causes this
[03:20] <Kamion> sivang: I need to see at minimum the error in order to be able to help you at all ...
[03:20] <sivang> Kamion: ofcourse, what is the command to invoke the oem-config against a gtk frontned? (I amanged to invoke the text UI)
[03:21] <Kamion> er, that should not be possible - I need debug logs
[03:21] <Kamion> please
[03:21] <ogra> there is a text gui ??
[03:21] <Kamion> it's supposed to be always hidden
[03:21] <Kamion> that is why I need debugging information from sivang
[03:22] <Kamion> because if he's seeing a text interface, the debconf filtering failed
[03:22] <ogra> yep... here it worked in wizard mode
[03:22] <ogra> (gui wise)
[03:22] <Kamion> sivang: OEM_CONFIG_DEBUG=1 DEBCONF_DEBUG='.*' in the environment
[03:24] <sivang> Kamion: btw, I'm using a breezy dchroot, would that cause problems to oem-config ?
[03:24] <Kamion> I don't know. It shouldn't. I need to see the logs.
[03:25] <sivang> Kamion: ok, I now manage to get the first "choose your location" gtk dialog , but can't go any further
[03:25] <sivang> Kamion: (I didn't change anything in the environment)
[03:26] <Riddell> Kamion, mdz: am I ok to upload a k3b-i18n package to match the current k3b
[03:26] <Kamion> of course, within a chroot you will need to ensure that you have a working DISPLAY and can run other X clients etc.
[03:27] <sivang> Kamion: I do, I do all of my launchpad integration testing there
[03:27] <sivang> Kamion: (I successfuly fired gedit/file-roller/epiphany etc)
[03:28] <sivang> Kamion: emailing you a log for that invocation where it fails after the first dialog
[03:28] <Kamion> Riddell: yes, go ahead
[03:28] <Kamion> thank you
[03:29] <sivang> Kamion: I wonder why I got the text UI in the first place, and not the Gtk one..sorry for not providing more info re this invocation :-/
[03:30] <sivang> Kamion: actually, I put it online at http://muse.19inch.net/~sivan/oem-config.log
[03:34] <Kamion> sivang: I really wanted debug information for that
[03:35] <Kamion> debconf (developer): <-- GET console-keymaps-at/keymap
[03:35] <Kamion> debconf (developer): --> 0
[03:35] <Kamion> hmm
[03:35] <sivang> Kamion: sorry :-( I recall now that it happend right after the packages were isntalled, as if this was part of a regular package post configuration
[03:36] <sivang> Kamion: so I didn't have to acutally run oem-config myself (apt did it for me)
[03:36] <Kamion> ah, that was perhaps not copied over from d-i
[03:37] <Kamion> sivang: do you remember which questions were asked in the text interface? any information at all is useful
[03:38] <sivang> Kamion: one of them was about my keyboard layout (qwery, azerty or...etc) that's why I mentioend to you smurfix's kbd detection code
[03:38] <Kamion> none of the oem-config* packages do any debconf interaction in their postinst
[03:39] <Kamion> oem-config.postinst sources the confmodule, but that's just to get templates loaded; it doesn't do db_input
[03:39] <Kamion> sivang: ah, it was probably console-data's postinst, then
[03:39] <Kamion> sivang: that wouldn't happen normally; nothing to worry about
[03:40] <ogra> http://www.grawert.net/funny_ncb_error.png
[03:40] <sivang> Kamion: is it a bug or not?
[03:40] <ogra> seb128, pitti ^^^
[03:40] <Kamion> sivang: how did you create the chroot?
[03:40] <ogra> seb128, how the hell does n-c-b compute tis duration ?
[03:40] <ogra> this even
[03:42] <sivang> Kamion: as outlined in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot?highlight=%28debootstrap%29
[03:45] <Kamion> sivang: I was wondering about the version of the debootstrap package you used
[03:46] <sivang> Kamion: ah, the same one that is aviailable for downlaod on the wiki page
[03:47] <sivang> Kamion: (for breezy, that is)
[03:47] <Kamion> sivang: the crash in http://muse.19inch.net/~sivan/oem-config.log should be fixed in oem-config-keyboard 1.17ubuntu2, when it's built and mirrored
[03:47] <Kamion> thanks for the report
[03:48] <Kamion> sivang: ok, I'm not absolutely sure whether that's a bug or not, so I'll have a go at reproducing it myself later; could you file a bug on console-data, assigned to me, so that I remember?
[03:49] <Kamion> it's orthogonal to oem-config as such, though
[03:54] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:56] <sivang> Kamion: yes ofoucrse, ah you mean they use the same code ? (console-data && oem-config)
[03:58] <Kamion> sivang: no, bits of oem-config just depend on console-data for some data files it ships, that's all
[04:05] <Kamion> d'oh, I broke debconf
[04:05] <Kamion> that might not be helping matters
[04:05] <sivang> hehe
[04:05] <Kamion> fuck, I broke it in the version uploaded to Debian and all
[04:06] <sivang> gush
[04:11] <koke> hi all!
[04:12] <sivang> Kamion: I can't assign the bug to you, or to any others in bugzilla
[04:13] <Kamion> ah
[04:13] <Kamion> don't worry, I'll pick it up from ubuntu-bugs
[04:14] <sivang> Kamion: it recall it was once possible to assign bugs to people, was this removed?
[04:14] <Kamion> sivang: yes, see the topic
[04:15] <sivang> Kamion: ok, I'll ping ogra when he's back online
[04:23] <Kamion> sivang: can you just check for me, which version of debconf do you have installed in the chroot?
[04:25] <sivang> Kamion: sure, I'll add it to the bug report ?
[04:26] <sivang> Kamion: 1.4.54ubuntu1
[04:26] <Kamion> sivang: that's the hosed version. I've just uploaded 1.4.55ubuntu1.
[04:27] <Kamion> showdialog's return value was broken so the dialog frontend was completely confused about life in general
[04:28] <sivang> Kamion: how can I bring it back to the state before the first invocation via apt-get ? (I wasn't able to get the text ui anymore)
[04:28] <sivang> Kamion: (thinking of testing the fix)
[04:28] <Kamion> you can't really, that's why I said I'd try to reproduce it here
[04:28] <Kamion> you'd probably need to build a fresh chroot
[04:29] <Kamion> I tested the fix with a simple 'dpkg-reconfigure debconf', which also previously manifested the bg
[04:29] <Kamion> bug
[04:31] <Kamion> of course if you *can* reproduce it with a fresh chroot, that'd be good too ...
[04:35] <sivang> Kamion: but I will now get the fixed debconf package, can you put the bad one somewhere online?
[04:35] <sivang> Kamion: (since a fresh chroot will be updated from the archive now)
[04:36] <Kamion> sivang: you can grab a copy from the archive now
[04:37] <Kamion> and the old one should stay around for a bit, anyway
[04:37] <sivang> Kamion: k, I will try to reproduce on a fresh chroot now then
[04:38] <sivang> Kamion: do we have packages.u.c now?
[04:38] <Kamion> we always have
[04:38] <Kamion> for some values of always
[04:39] <sivang> Kamion: heh, ok, is it ok to get the pkg from there? (if I find it in all those catagories)
[04:40] <Kamion> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/d/debconf/ would seem rather easier
[04:41] <sivang> Kamion: yes, thanks, got the packag, now to fresh up a chroot :)
[04:43] <thierry> where is the man page in a package?
[04:43] <thierry> like for ubuntu bug 12445
[04:44] <sivang> Kamion: sudo debootstrap --variant=buildd breezy /var/chroot2/ http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[04:44] <sivang> Kamion: that's waht I use
[04:45] <sivang> bah, need to start with hoary first and then upgrade
[04:45] <sivang> E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/breezy.buildd
[04:47] <Kamion> er, no, you need to use the breezy debootstrap if using the breezy script
[04:48] <Kamion> /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/breezy requires features that were not in hoary's debootstrap package
[04:48] <sivang> Kamion: ah right, darn. Well, nevermind, I guess this will better reproduce steps to create the chroot in question
[04:48] <Kamion> thierry: depends totally on the package, you'll have to look
[04:49] <Kamion> thierry: it's not hard to find
[04:49] <sivang> Kamion: since I don't have the package installed here, I probably upgraded the chroot from haory to breezy after the inital deboostrapping
[04:49] <thierry> Kamion : is searched man and manpage in the package and I can't find it... what is the usual name of the file?
[04:50] <Kamion> thierry: the extension is usually a number, such as *.1 for a section 1 man page
[04:52] <thierry> Kamion : got it! thanks!
[04:52] <Kamion> np
[05:53] <janimo> \who ogra
[05:56] <Keybuk> daniels: about?
[06:01] <mvo> ping seb128
[06:06] <seb128> mvo: pong
[06:16] <mdz> elmo: what would be involved in getting Tag: into Ubuntu Packages files?
[06:17] <mvo> good morning mdz
[06:17] <elmo> mdz: pfft
[06:17] <mdz> morning
[06:17] <mdz> elmo: how did I know you were going to say that?
[06:18] <ogra> elmo, did you get my baobab sync request around noon ?
[06:18] <elmo> ogra: yes, I did it, it's in new, I'll get to it in a while
[06:18] <ogra> elmo, thanks :)
[06:22] <vontrapp> i noticed the middle click content load url behaviour doesn't work in the latest firefox package, saw in the forums that the default behaviour was changed
[06:22] <vontrapp> however, i am unable to enable it again
[06:22] <vontrapp> set middlemouse.contentLoadURL to true, but no diec
[06:22] <vontrapp> s/diec/dice/
[06:23] <vontrapp> is this possibly related to the default change?
[06:23] <crimsun> mdz: There's a slight dilemma with compiling vlc (universe) for Breezy. It requires libpostproc-dev (multiverse) to build. I sidestepped this for Hoary by using vlc's distributed ffmpeg, but Debian removed that in the next package revision. It looks like either vlc should be demoted to multiverse or libpostproc* should be promoted to universe.
[06:23] <mdz> elmo: are you going to follow that with a real answer though?
[06:24] <sebest> hello, how can we change the keymap using xkb driver , i'd like to use a macintosh fr keyboard (using setxkbmap?)
[06:24] <mdz> crimsun: vlc should move to multiverse
[06:25] <ogra> mdz, huh ? since when is it nonfree ?
[06:25] <crimsun> mdz: ok, that sounds great.
[06:25] <elmo> mdz: I've no idea, I'll have to look
[06:25] <bob2> vontrapp: that behaviour changed a year or so ago
[06:25] <mdz> elmo: oh, who did it for Debian? I'll ask them
[06:25] <crimsun> ogra: no, one of its build-deps is in multiverse.
[06:26] <elmo> mdz: aj
[06:26] <mdz> elmo: thanks
[06:26] <ogra> crimsun, yup, i just got that :)
[06:26] <Nafallo> crimsun: what about ffmpeg's libpostproc-dev? pool/main/f/ffmpeg
[06:26] <crimsun> Nafallo: that's in multiverse.
[06:27] <crimsun> Nafallo: (being the precise issue I mentioned :)
[06:27] <ogra> Treenaks, gah, you toasted him ? who is fixing it now ?
[06:27] <Treenaks> ogra: you are :)
[06:27] <bddebian> heh
[06:27] <ogra> Treenaks, unlikely, heh
[06:28] <Nafallo> crimsun: hmm, oki. I just noticed the things in the source are everywhere :-).
[06:30] <jdub> seb128: new gamin! :)
[06:30] <seb128> jdub: cool, as I was pointing to pitti it should fixes the issues we have for ages
[06:30] <seb128> jdub: not thanks to DV
[06:31] <seb128> somebody had to debug and send a patch on the list, he never commented on the bugzilla bug
[06:31] <jdub> seb128: yeah, john mccutchan has been doing some rocking patches
[06:32] <Treenaks> gamin will be fixed now? :)
[06:49] <sivang> Kamion: is it ok to just change the sources.list on the hoary chroot to upgrade it to a breezy one?
[06:50] <sivang> Kamion: (preparing the reproduction environment still)
[07:10] <jdub> seb128: hrm, lack of url field for web calendars in evo kinda sucks
[07:12] <jdub> hrm, lack of wrapping in calendar blobls kinda sucks
[07:12] <Kamion> sivang: yes
[07:14] <seb128> jdub: don't ask to much, I'm already quite happy to have all my imap boxes correctly listed atm :p
[07:14] <seb128> s/to much/too much/
[07:18] <sivang> Kamion: ok, upgrade is done. What can I do to verify I'm in breezy from debconf's / oem-config point of view?
[07:19] <Kamion> they do not have a point of view that cares
[07:21] <Kamion> if you can install oem-config, that's all that matters
[07:26] <seb128> elmo: intltool (incoming) sync please
[07:28] <sivang> Kamion: ok, how would I log stuff for you while installing oem-config ?
[07:30] <Kamion> sivang: I already told you earlier ...
[07:30] <sivang> Kamion: (thinking of logging the first time install, when apt invokes the text ui dialogs)
[07:30] <Kamion> 14:22 < Kamion> sivang: OEM_CONFIG_DEBUG=1 DEBCONF_DEBUG='.*' in the environment
[07:30] <sivang> Kamion: ah cool, I thought there was a difference int he modes
[07:31] <Kamion> oh, the first-time install has nothing to do with oem-config, so just DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer while running apt
[07:31] <sivang> Kamion: k
[07:31] <Kamion> although the more complete set above would do too, it just outputs even more junk :)
[07:32] <Kamion> you might want to run inside 'script' to get a typescript of the installation
[07:32] <Kamion> mdz: is libhsqldb-java ok for main, or still pending? it's making my base-config tests difficult
[07:33] <jdub> Kamion: what are the remaining b0rkages in the way of colony CDs?
[07:33] <Kamion> jdub: X
[07:33] <jdub> bogor
[07:34] <Kamion> also to be honest I just haven't tried daily CD builds for the last few days, 'cos I've been buried in OEMInstaller and InstallerStage2Progress
[07:35] <jdub> stage2 progress! rad :)
[07:35] <jdub> how's oem going?
[07:35] <Kamion> oem-config's in the archive, needs UI love
[07:35] <jdub> will test when i get home :-)
[07:35] <Kamion> primarily needs to have the multiple dialogs turned into a single window really
[07:35] <jdub> how's express going?
[07:35] <Kamion> oh, and various bugfixes of course
[07:36] <Kamion> dunno, I haven't really touched it
[07:36] <Kamion> stage2 progress is tantalisingly close
[07:36] <jdub> that's going to be rad
[07:36] <Kamion> mdz had an ubuntu-express prototype; last I heard juanje was poking at it
[07:37] <jdub> how much do we care about express working on arbitrary casper based cds (for breezy)?
[07:37] <Kamion> well, it needs to be derivable vaguely sanely
[07:38] <jdub> i think we'll be able to get some testing love out of the gnome livecd for that sort of stuff
[07:38] <jdub> i imagine we'll be pretty solidly concentrating on ubuntu only at this stage
[07:39] <Kamion> I don't think it would be much of a problem to make it generic, although it will probably be GNOME only unless some kind of sensible framework settles down Really Soon Now
[07:39] <Kamion> but all too much of it is vapourware as yet ...
[07:40] <sivang> mdz: what do I need to do to get editbugs priviliges again?
[07:41] <Kamion> oh, hmm, mvo's apt progress branch doesn't send download progress to the status fd :(
[07:41] <Kamion> so the base-config progress bar sits at 0% for ages ...
[07:51] <sivang> Kamion: k, got the same behavior. I'm redirecting stderro to a file, hopefully that would include the DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer logs
[07:52] <sivang> Kamion: now, first dialog question is about 'console-data'
[07:53] <Kamion> I'll get all this from DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer logs, I just need that
[08:03] <mdz> jdub: ubuntu express may or may not happening; we're at juan's mercy at this point because I don't have the bandwidth for it
[08:03] <mdz> sivang: /topic
[08:06] <sivang> Kamion: using apt's log is http://muse.19inch.net/~sivan/oem-config_apt.log, and oem-config which new fails to start at all is here : http://muse.19inch.net/~sivan/oem-config_local_error.log
[08:08] <sivang> Kamion: bon appetite, I will catch you later or tommorow - going home, laterz
[08:12] <mdz> sivang: read and acknowledge https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs
[08:14] <mdke> who knows about the linode servers?
[08:15] <ogra> mdke, henrik or elmo
[08:15] <mdke> elmo, around?
[08:15] <mdke> thanks ogra
[08:16] <mdke> i've rebooted the docteam one and its disappeared
[08:19] <mdke> surely its not on a dynamic ip
[08:24] <jdub> mdz: hrm, bummer
[08:25] <mdz> s/happening/be &/
[08:45] <maswan> mdz: bandwidth? anything I can help with? :)
[08:46] <Amaranth> niran: Still haven't decided on the best place to put those checkboxes in gnome-app-install? :)
[08:51] <tseng> hi sivang
[08:53] <sivang> mdke: what are the linode servers used for ?
[08:54] <sivang> hey tseng , how's it going?
[08:54] <tseng> good, you
[08:55] <sivang> mdz: acknowledged
[08:56] <sivang> tseng: just came back from work, going to try hack an helper function for bonnobu ui apps that need be launchpadized
[08:56] <tseng> buh, bonnobo
[08:56] <tseng> have fun.
[08:57] <sivang> tseng: yeah. Luckily I have some skeleton code in gedit, and pbor was very kind to point me to the important bits
[09:13] <OddAbe19> any idea when glx will be uploaded to breezy?
[09:14] <niran> Amaranth, i want them where they are now, i just think it makes the categories look ugly when it pushes them to the side
[09:14] <niran> i wonder if there's a way to get the cellrenderertoggle to not toggle when anywhere in the column is clicked, just on the check box itself
[09:14] <niran> but i don't think so
[09:27] <OddAbe19> any idea when glx will be uploaded to breezy? (so GL stuff will work... ie glxgears, etc...)
[09:28] <\sh> X
[09:28] <\sh> is a lot less broken - it works (well - kubuntu does - for mez)!
[09:29] <\sh> OddAbe19: when daniels is finished with his work
[09:30] <Kamion> sivang: ok, the first log definitely exhibits symptoms of debconf breakage; upgrading to 1.4.55ubuntu1 should sort that out
[09:31] <sivang> Kamion: at least I am happy to know my recreation of debootstrapping work helped
[09:32] <sivang> Kamion: are you sure I wasn't glancing at the font-config configuration at the first log ?
[09:32] <sivang> Kamion: (it oocurd to me that I was seing it instead of the actual oem-config)
[09:33] <Kamion> sivang: oem-config is not relevant to the issue in the first log in any way whatsoever at all
[09:33] <CarlFK> Kamion - are you cjw? - duh.
[09:33] <Kamion> CarlFK: yes
[09:33] <Kamion> CarlFK: (I think we've talked on IRC before ...)
[09:33] <sivang> Kamion: anyway, I have to leave now - soemone tries to sleep in this room , so good to know that helped you and se you tommorow.
[09:34] <Kamion> sivang: still investigating the second log, it's kind of weird
[09:34] <CarlFK> Kamion - yes - I lost track of who was who
[09:34] <Kamion> sivang: is oem-config-locale properly installed and configured? if it is, 'dpkg -l oem-config-locale' should have 'ii' at the beginning of the line
[09:35] <Kamion> sivang: 'dpkg --configure -a' would probably be a good plan
[09:35] <sivang> Kamion: can I undertake all those tommorow and report ?
[09:35] <Kamion> sivang: sure, no rush
[09:35] <Kamion> thanks for the help
[09:36] <sivang> Kamion: be sure to ping me with furhter instructions should you have those
[09:36] <Kamion> sivang: oh, the second log with additional OEM_CONFIG_DEBUG=1 would be good, too
[09:36] <Kamion> CarlFK: I fixed the i386 CD image build issue you reported, by the way; it was a typo in one of the build scripts
[09:37] <sivang> Kamion: good night then :)
[09:37] <Kamion> CarlFK: Ubuntu install CD images are built from a cron job that runs at 08:21 London time daily
[09:38] <CarlFK> Kamion - thanks. is the rsync server get much trafic, or is it ok if I rsync it each morning?
[09:44] <Kamion> CarlFK: there's a maximum-number-of-users limit on the rsync server, but if you can get on then it's fine
[09:56] <CarlFK> Kamion - thanks. nother thing - if you want a better bug report no probm but here is a quick pic of todays problem: http://pictures.foxshare.net/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=372
[09:56] <CarlFK> ill be back in 20 min or so...
[09:56] <luis_> mako: http://www.mit.edu/~mherdeg/pushpoll/
[09:58] <Kamion> CarlFK: humph, looks like the menu-mapping's screwed up somehow; I'll have a look, thanks
[10:15] <CarlFK> Kamion - bit more on that menu thing: "exit the base system config" throws the same messages and also loops back to the menu
[10:16] <Kamion> CarlFK: this is an install in English, right?
[10:16] <CarlFK> yes
[10:16] <Kamion> CarlFK: if you could look for a menu-mapping file in /tmp/base-config.* and mail that to me, that'd be good ...
[10:19] <herve> hello
[10:19] <herve> seb128, ping
[10:19] <seb128> pong
[10:19] <bddebian> wb herve
[10:19] <herve> I just experienced dia is broken when exporting files to eps using the pango engine
[10:19] <herve> I'm looking for a patch
[10:20] <seb128> cool
[10:20] <herve> not really :-
[10:20] <herve> (
[10:21] <herve> ok, dia CVS depends on cairo 0.6 for 2 days now
[10:22] <herve> I put an option on a CVS checkout
[10:22] <herve> like in debian experimental
[10:25] <lifeless> did something break the install-old-version feature of aptitude ?
[10:26] <lifeless> nm, it was cross dependency hell
[10:27] <seb128> herve: we have cairo 0.6
[10:27] <herve> my point :-)
[10:27] <herve> but not Debian, strange Roland made that checkout
[10:27] <herve> we are the ones to need it, not Debian :-)
[10:28] <seb128> Debian got 0.6 today
[10:28] <herve> ha ok
[10:28] <seb128> and the dia maintainer uploaded a dia CVS tonight
[10:29] <herve> hmm... I wonder if we take his package or if breezy can live with this bug
[10:32] <linescann> jbailey: you got a minute ?
[10:33] <jbailey> linescann: Sort of, my brains on something at the moment, so if you don't mind a slightly laggy answer.
[10:33] <linescann> jbailey:np I will run it past you but if it needs to wait tell me to shut up :)
[10:34] <linescann> jbailey:I was trying to test ltsp for ogra today but could not get ubuntu installed on a IBM HS20 blade
[10:34] <linescann> 428 dev/console issue after rebooting
[10:34] <jbailey> linescann: Is that one of their powerpc blades?
[10:35] <linescann> no twin Xeon
[10:37] <jbailey> Where does that 428 come from? The kernels themselves provide /dev/console automatically.
[10:40] <linescann> pivot_root no such file or directory then 428 dev/console and kernel panic
[10:40] <Mez> linescann, you using SATA drives?
[10:41] <Mez> or a USB scsi drive?
[10:41] <Mez> or a normal SCSI drive
[10:43] <linescann> Mez: SCSI
[10:43] <seb128> elmo: can you sync gdesklets-data (0.35.2-2) gnome-build (experimental) intltool (0.34.1-1) ?
[10:44] <Mez> linescann, for some reason, it tries to pivot_root before the SCSI drive is ready, which causes the problems
[10:45] <linescann> Mez: The solution is......?
[10:45] <Mez> linescan there isn't one at the mo
[10:45] <Mez> but I do remember someone is working on it
[10:46] <linescann> Mez: rats, I was really hoping to get some good feedback to ogra and mdz
[10:46] <Mez> linescann, ??
[10:47] <linescann> I got 6 classrooms of thin clients sitting idle and was going to do some testing for them
[10:48] <mdz> linescann: that would indicate that your SCSI driver isn't getting loaded in the initrd
[10:49] <mdz> linescann: you can force load it by editing /etc/mkinitrd/modules and regenerating the initrd, or you can try jbailey's initramfs stuff
[10:50] <jbailey> linescann: If that does solve the problem, please let me know which module wasn't detected right.
[10:52] <Riddell> Mez: with respect to backports how is g++ transition done?
[10:52] <linescann> jbailey: I will try in the morning. What values am I look for ? MODULES=
[10:52] <jbailey> linescann: Do you know which driver that you're missing?
[10:53] <Mez> Riddell, normally it'll just depend on g++ not a certain version
[10:53] <Mez> so when rebuilt, then it's rebuilt
[10:53] <jbailey> linescann: I'm not familiar with the ltsp install, so I don't know if you have a working system on the machine already, or...
[10:53] <Mez> or built with hory version of 4.0
[10:53] <Riddell> Mez: but the library names have changed
[10:53] <linescann> jbailey: Clean attempt at installing Ubuntu
[10:53] <Mez> Riddell, some of them have
[10:53] <jbailey> linescann: Hoary?
[10:53] <Mez> and then it's just a libbla | blalib
[10:53] <mdz> jbailey: he's just attemptnig a hoary install at this point; ltsp has not entered the equation
[10:54] <linescann> Yep
[10:54] <jbailey> mdz: Cool, thanks.
[10:54] <herve> seb128, dia 0.94.0+CVS20050731-1 doesn't contain the changes for cairo 0.6.0
[10:54] <jbailey> linescann: So before the installer reboots, we need to figure out which scsi module you need, and add it to the the initrd.
[10:55] <jbailey> linescann: Or we can boot the instller and mount the partition
[10:55] <linescann> jbailey: Not at the servers now. You around tomorrow ?
[10:56] <jbailey> linescann: Yup. In what timezone are you?
[10:56] <Kamion> jbailey: that's what rescue mode's for
[10:56] <linescann> In the UK so about 7 infront
[10:57] <linescann> I think
[10:57] <Riddell> Mez: but if you have a hoary KDE package depending on kdelibs4c2 that'll break up all the upgrading preferences (and any KDE applications not recompiled for it)
[10:57] <jbailey> linescann: I'm in Eastern Canada, so 5 in front.
[10:57] <linescann> cool. I will catch you sometime tomorrow
[10:58] <jbailey> linescann: Cool. See you!
[10:58] <Mez> Riddell, it wont break though ... cause it'll be in $shlibs:Depends... wont it
[10:58] <linescann> just going to try and find out what SCSI controller is on the Blades
[10:58] <Mez> so it wont depoend on 4c2
[10:58] <Mez> just 4
[10:58] <jbailey> Kamion: But.. But.. It's not a REAL os unless you need to reinstall it from time to time!
[10:59] <jbailey> linescann: We'll be able to tell from the rescue mode. If you installed it succesfully, the installer had to have detected it.
[11:00] <Riddell> Mez: since the kdelibs4 package uses c2 then it will depend on c2
[11:00] <linescann> jbailey: sure....The real servers run SuSE 9.2 and are using mptscsih
[11:00] <Mez> hmmles
[11:00] <Mez> will think bout that
[11:01] <Mez> Riddell, thats an issue I dodnt think of, couldnt the control be changed dependdent on the auto * ?
[11:01] <jbailey> Hmm, it ought to pull in mptbase and mptscsih. I wonder why it doesn't work.
[11:01] <dholbach> hi
[11:01] <seb128> hey dholbach :)
[11:01] <linescann> Over to you on that one Sir :)
[11:02] <ogra> heh
[11:02] <Riddell> Mez: sounds like a very ugly hack. what's changed with auto*?
[11:03] <Mez> Riddell, the version - so check for hoary/breezy versions
[11:03] <Mez> speak to mdz
[11:04] <niktaris> hi, anyone got some expirience with build the ubuntu live cd?
[11:06] <linescann> jbailey: Thanks for your time. I will catch you tomorrow
[11:06] <linescann> mdz,ogra: Hopefully we can get you some testing time tomorrow :)
[11:07] <ogra> linescann, YAY !!
[11:07] <linescann> ogra: Have a damn fine evening and I will catch you tomorrow
[11:08] <ogra> linescann, you too :)
[11:23] <daniels> Keybuk: no
[11:23] <Keybuk> daniels: oh
[11:24] <Keybuk> I had a cute bunch of xkb problems for you to look at
[11:24] <bddebian> daniels: Hey I have been meaning to ask you. Anything a relative n00b can help you with at all or is it all pretty high-level stuff?
[11:24] <Keybuk> errors on stdout, and lots of "no keycode for blah" stuff
[11:24] <Keybuk> but it can wait
[11:24] <daniels> Keybuk: spam it to me in /msg, or email me
[11:25] <daniels> Keybuk: i've just woken up, and won't be around 'till later
[11:25] <Keybuk> ok, I'll hang on til later
[11:27] <bddebian> Hmm, I'll take that as a no. :-)
[11:40] <daniels> whoops, didn't even see bddebian's question. oh well.
[11:41] <Lathiat> heh
[11:42] <dholbach> daniels: <bddebian> Bah, daniels hates me too
[11:43] <ogra> yes, he is very sensitive... :=)
[11:50] <doko> elmo, mdz, Kamion: libatomic-ops needs a sync from unstable. it's a new upstream, which doesn't FTBFS with gcc-4.0. strictly speeking, it's only necessary for a no-release arch (ia64), so it doesn't effect our primary archs
[11:55] <niktaris> is matt zimmerman in the house?
[11:57] <doko> elmo: please sync sdl-mixer1.2 smpeg speech-tools festival gtkmm2.0 from unstable (after the dinstall run from Aug 2)
[12:00] <doko> elmo: please sync wtfk from incoming
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[12:08] <stub> elmo: ok. That would be good. I'll let the DNS settle for a few days
[12:08] <stub> (yes - that is a rationalization)
[12:10] <stub> cronscripts will keep running on macquarie for a bit too
[12:16] <elmo> ... ?
[12:16] <jordi> my leg hurts again, SUDDENLY
[12:19] <elmo> stub: ok, bugs.l.n and l.n mail now exists and works in the sameway as l.u.c, so feel free to switch both/either over whenever
[12:19] <stub> :)
[12:26] <elmo> do we still need the notready.u.c redirections?
[12:27] <elmo> we have it on bounties.*, lists.* and soyuz.*
[12:27] <stub> I hope not :)
[12:27] <elmo> ok
[12:27] <elmo> Name Title Domain Name
[12:27] <elmo> ubuntu Ubuntu Linux ubuntulinux.org
[12:27] <elmo> can someone fix that in the DB?
[12:27] <elmo> (i.e. to be ubuntu.com)
[12:27] <stub> ok
[12:28] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/dists--bazaar--1.5: new build (patch-71)
[12:29] <elmo> carlos: it's simple, ul.o is deprecated
[12:29] <SteveA> ubuntulinux.org is deprecated
[12:29] <stub> fuxed
[12:29] <elmo> but due to a never-ending plone story, we can't kill it
[12:29] <elmo> stub: cheers
[12:29] <SteveA> aw, major suck
[12:29] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/bazaar--devo--1.5: Allow replay --upto to be used outside the current version (patch-57: [email protected])
[12:29] <SteveA> isn't that fixed yet?
[12:30] <elmo> SteveA: I dunno, vikka was making noises like it might be - I'll check/chase
[12:31] <carlos> elmo, SteveA ok
[12:31] <elmo> is it worth reporting bugs about the soyuz web interface yet, or is it still pretty raw?
[12:31] <carlos> now that the wiki is not inside plone anymore, it should not be a big problem
[12:32] <elmo> carlos: yeah
[12:32] <elmo> ok, l.u.c redirected to l.n
[12:32] <Kinnison> elmo: Report bugs
[12:32] <Kinnison> elmo: Otherwise we'll not know what to concentrate on
[12:32] <Kinnison> elmo: thanks
[12:32] <elmo> Kinnison: this is trivial stuff, but ok
[12:32] <Kinnison> elmo: Low-hanging fruit is satisfying, so go ahead
[12:35] <cprov> bradb: what is wrong with bug #1613 ? I can't edit ( https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bugs/1613/+edit)
[12:36] <elmo> and rosetta.u.c done too
[12:36] <jordi> carlos: when is Rosetta 1.0 happening?
[12:37] <jordi> carlos: hrm, Rosetta is telling me .za languages are my preferred.
[12:37] <jordi> I don't speak a word of xhosa tho :)
[12:41] <carlos> jordi, that's because there is a problem to get the country from where your ip address is from
[12:42] <carlos> jordi, does it happen always?
[12:42] <carlos> jordi, 1.0 should happen this week, today we are having a production update that should speed a bit Breezy imports
[12:44] <jordi> nod
[12:50] <mpt> carlos, what's Spanish for "Support sources for Ubuntu Epiphany"?
[12:51] <jordi> what does it mean? :)
[12:51] <jordi> Support is verb or noun?
[12:53] <carlos> mpt, please, give me some extra context...
[12:55] <mpt> carlos: This is for the page listing help and support options
[12:55] <mpt> for a package
[12:57] <carlos> mpt, "Fuentes de informacin sobre Ubuntu Epiphany"
[12:57] <carlos> jordi, please, could you improve it? my translations is too literal
[01:02] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: [r/2=bradb,rs=sabdfl,trivial] Assorted minor fixes to Malone: fix bugwatches, improve linking, remove lint warnings, UI cleanups. Fixes bugs 1622, 1479, 1465, 1340, 1401, 1402, and others which nobody had the time or patience to file. (patch-2200: [email protected])
[01:02] <carlos> kiko, and you want it into production *now* ?
[01:03] <carlos> ;-)
[01:03] <kiko> YES
[01:04] <jordi> DO IT
[01:05] <jordi> carlos: at this time of the day, that seems good enough
[01:06] <jordi> because FFuentes informativas is worse I guess
[01:07] <carlos> jordi, Fuentes informativas sucks...
[01:11] <Nafallo> yay! new error while trying to add GPG-key :-)
[01:12] <Nafallo> bitches about it's inability to import my key and gives me an URL.
[01:12] <Nafallo> that URL works though, and my fingerprint _is_ correct :-)
[01:16] <mpt> thanks carlos+jordi
[01:18] <carlos> mpt, you are welcome
[01:29] <cprov> Nafallo: It's not expected to be working for you yet, did you get a different error ?
[01:30] <Nafallo> cprov: yes, with launchpad.net :-)
[01:30] <jordi> nite
[01:31] <Nafallo> cprov: Launchpad could not import GPG key, the reason was: at http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x509CBA71&op=get.Check if you published it correctly in the global key ring (using gpg --send-keys KEY) and that you add entered the fingerprint correctly (as produced by gpg --fingerprint YOU). Try later or cancel your request.
[01:33] <cprov> Nafallo: sh.. probably connection problems between production and keyserver. did you try again ?
[01:33] <Nafallo> cprov: yea, tried a couple of times.
[01:34] <Nafallo> cprov: staging.u.c did not work, there was the old error ;-)
[01:35] <cprov> Nafallo: uhmm ... old error is ok, since we didn't fix it yet ;)
[01:36] <cprov> Nafallo: I'll try to sort out this lack of access to the keyserver
[01:37] <Nafallo> cprov: thanx. you will not get a bug about it then :-)
[01:38] <elmo> cprov: fixed
[01:38] <cprov> Nafallo: no, please post it, bug is my life ;)
[01:38] <cprov> elmo: great elmo !
[01:39] <Nafallo> cprov: hehe, shall I mark it fixed? :-)
[01:39] <Nafallo> elmo: nice and quick one :-). now that I have you hear. you ack mails to upload@ and keyring@, right?
[01:40] <cprov> Nafallo: yeah, it should start filling your karma ;)
[01:40] <Nafallo> cprov: is there a use for karma? ;-)
[01:42] <cprov> Nafallo: every new year you can convert it in US$, 1 x 10 ... ehe joking ...
[01:42] <Nafallo> hehehe
[01:43] <cprov> Nafallo: activity measuments, we can easily who is contributing, don't you wanna be recognized as the guy rocking in LP ?
[01:44] <Nafallo> cprov: naah. I'll just show the guys that I'm active in other areas aswell :-).
[01:46] <jblack> cprov: I'd love to know more about the activity measurements
[01:46] <cprov> Nafallo: sure, it still being possible ... what did you do ? ... apart of crash lp gpg component ;)
[01:47] <Nafallo> cprov: hehe. leader of translation team +MOTU :-)
[01:47] <Nafallo> cprov: alone in universe security I think :-P
[01:48] <cprov> jblack: salgado is the man, but what do you like to know ? we have sorted it last week (soyuz and malone events)
[01:49] <Nafallo> cprov: will rosetta be raising my karma at some point? :-)
[01:49] <cprov> Nafallo: .duhh, your karma promises ...
[01:49] <Nafallo> hehe :-)
[01:49] <cprov> Nafallo: sure it will, ASAP
[01:50] <jblack> cprov: Anything you're interested in bragging about.
[01:53] <cprov> jblack: now that you mentioned we blocked karma points for "imports" and other stuff done by canonical staff (salary sounds better than karma points :-P)
[01:53] <jblack> why?
[01:54] <jblack> aw man, that sucks! I'd have killer karma!
[01:56] <cprov> jblack: sure, you would ... that's why we avoid it, it should require python patch to supoort such a big integer ;)
[01:56] <ddaa> cprov: you need to upgrade python, bigints were supported for a while ;)
[01:57] <Mez> cprov, I'll willingly trade in my karma for a salary
[01:57] <cprov> jblack: to be far, if a bug comment is 1 point, IMO, a import should be 1000 (pgsql developers would cry)
[01:58] <Nafallo> cprov: what's a bug fix?
[01:59] <ddaa> that's a widely debated questions and seemingly intellingent people have widely differing opinion on whether a particular patch is a bug fix
[01:59] <Nafallo> ddaa: marking a bug as fixed
[01:59] <cprov> Mez: who wouldn't want it ? fun + salary
[02:00] <Mez> :)
[02:00] <Mez> cprov, wanna give me a salary instead then?
[02:00] <ddaa> tell you a think
[02:00] <ddaa> if a salary means doing imports all the day for three months
[02:00] <cprov> Nafallo: yes, that is the pratic definition.
[02:00] <ddaa> you'd rather have karma points...
[02:01] <Nafallo> cprov: so. how many points is a marking a bug fixed then? :-)
[02:02] <Nafallo> s/a\ //
[02:02] <cprov> Nafallo: https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/MaloneKarma -> public spec AFAIKs
[02:02] <Nafallo> yay
[02:02] <cprov> Nafallo: briefly, fix = 10 points
[02:03] <ddaa> I'm confused...
[02:04] <ddaa> I have that CGI at my ISP
[02:04] <ddaa> I can run it manually "spyce.cgi ../spy/index.spy" from shell, and it works
[02:04] <Nafallo> cprov: hehe. nice. I got 10 points for doing nothing then :-)
[02:05] <ddaa> but when I run it through the server, I get a 500 and an error log "Premature end of script headers: spyce.cgi"
[02:05] <ddaa> anybody got an idea?
[02:05] <cprov> Nafallo: fix a bug could be easy, but don't forget we decrease your karma if someone reopened it ;)
[02:06] <Nafallo> cprov: well, I think seb128 forgot to close a bug I reported. I got 10 points for his work then :-)
[02:08] <cprov> Nafallo: don't think so, the assignee wins karma
[02:10] <Nafallo> ah, clever :-P
[02:10] <cprov> Nafallo: nice talk, see you tomorrow
[02:12] <cprov> jblack: take care, btw, bought some gifts for your kid, send me your address
[02:12] <jblack> Heh.
[02:13] <jblack> Sure, I can email you, though its on the offices page too
[02:15] <jblack> sent
[02:16] <jblack> I also send you a belayed thank you for having me.
[02:16] <jblack> I should have sent that as soon as I got back, but I think I forgot. You and Janes were both a pleasure to stay with
[02:52] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] minor UI fixes to tracker/trackersets (and rosetta translation lists); adds nickname to bug details portlet. Also unbreak CVE refs action portlet title (patch-2201: [email protected])
[03:11] <ddaa> http://ddaa.net/blog
[03:11] <ddaa> got it, at last
[07:57] <sivang> Who's responsible for the .deb / apt integration that soyuz must probably have? Or am I mistaken completely and Lunachpad knows nothing about a specific packaging system, being said to store other distributions as well ?
[07:57] <bob2> it would only need metadata, surely?
[07:59] <sivang> I don't know, I'm ready to hear some elaboration :)
[08:00] <bob2> presumably the launchpad wiki has details
[08:02] <sivang> bob2: ok, the baz/arche/launchpad integration is probably also outlined there?
[08:03] <bob2> yes
[08:03] <sivang> bob2: k, thanks
[08:05] <sivang> bah, that wiki is a mess :)
[08:07] <sivang> https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/DatabaseSetup , can I now create my own launchpad or is it for internal use?
[08:08] <bob2> er
[08:08] <bob2> do you have the LP source?
[08:09] <sivang> no :)
[08:09] <bob2> then "no" ;)
[08:10] <sivang> I must improve my logic skills :)
[08:27] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/dists--bazaar--1.5: new build (patch-72)
[08:30] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/bazaar--devo--1.5: Deprecate (but not remove) "abrowse", rename "rbrowse" to "browse" (patch-58: [email protected])
[08:54] <sivang> does anybody know when jamesh comes online?
[08:55] <sivang> (I need him for some launchpad desktop integration discussion)
[08:55] <bob2> probably better off emailing him
[08:55] <sivang> bob2: already did, I guess his on the road or something?
[08:55] <bob2> he might be in brazil
[08:56] <sivang> k, thx
[11:10] <jordi> morning
[11:10] <jordi> jamesh: sivang was looking for you
[11:11] <jamesh> jordi: I was flying
[11:11] <bob2> excuses, excuses!
[11:13] <jamesh> Rio -> Sao Paulo -> Buenos Aires -> Auckland -> Sydney -> Perth
[11:17] <jordi> jamesh: oh dude
[11:17] <jordi> sounds like fun
[03:12] <SteveA> jordi: ping
[03:20] <SteveA> jordi: ping ping
[03:33] <yaniv> Hello, I was wandering if someone could help me upload hebrew .po files I located, as I'm not an appointed translator
[03:34] <yaniv> , ?
[03:37] <carlos> yaniv, I think we don't have an Hebrew translation team, would you want to create it?
[03:37] <morgs> yaniv: carlos and daf are the translation experts. They're in a lot of planning meetings at the moment but should be around later...
[03:37] <morgs> or now...
[03:37] <carlos> morgs, ;-)
[03:44] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] Change table to ul for listing bazaar branches (patch-2202: [email protected])
[03:49] <yaniv> thanks. I was taliking to sivang, and it seems he has requested to create a team.
[03:54] <carlos> hmm
[03:55] <carlos> sivang, is it created already?
[03:57] <sivang> carlos: ah cool
[03:57] <sivang> carlos: why didn't I get any notification from launchapd?
[03:57] <kiko> because launchpad doesn't love you
[03:57] <sivang> kiko: ah!! /me cries
[03:57] <sivang> kiko: please make launchapd love me :)
[03:57] <sivang> kiko: I love him back, just overwhalmed with the comlexity :)
[03:57] <lifeless> stub is mail on gangotri setup ?
[03:58] <stub> lifeless: No idea.
[03:59] <sivang> carlos: ah damn, I've even worse at memory then you :) I just sent an email to [email protected] as you explained and got no reply, is the translation group ready or not?
[04:00] <nakee> carlos, there is a convention in 2 days and we want to annonce its opening
[04:00] <sivang> nakee: nothing to announce actually
[04:00] <nakee> sivang, ofcourse there is
[04:00] <nakee> we want people to use it
[04:00] <sivang> nakee: just one more translation group among many others :)
[04:00] <nakee> sivang, yea but for hebrew translation groups
[04:00] <sivang> nakee: ofcourse mails and posts at local commuinity sites will be made
[04:01] <nakee> sivang, AP4 is a perfect place to annonce it
[04:01] <carlos> sivang, I'm asking, because daf did some work on that but I'm not sure your team was created
[04:01] <nakee> and get some motivation into people to use it
[04:01] <carlos> if you didn't get the email, I suppose it's not
[04:01] <sivang> carlos: right
[04:01] <carlos> will try to sort it today
[04:01] <sivang> kiko: 'sup ? :)
[04:01] <mpt> kiko's busy hacking
[04:01] <sivang> carlos: thanks
[04:02] <nakee> sivang, some people stoped using rosetta becauseof that
[04:02] <carlos> sivang, https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/rosetta/groups/ubuntu-translators/ that's the current list of teams we have
[04:02] <sivang> carlos: k, no prob , anyways I should get an email when it is ready right?
[04:02] <carlos> nakee, jordi just join the team to care about things like that so we don't delay it so much
[04:02] <carlos> sivang, yeah, I will send you an email
[04:03] <sivang> mpt: I just hope "launchpad doesn't love you" is a joke :)
[04:03] <mpt> Launchpad keeps track of karma, but not love yet
[04:03] <mpt> love and zen are not yet implemented
[04:04] <nakee> carlos, yea it was too bad until I got people intrested it stop working for them all the sudden
[04:04] <niemeyer> Greetings!
[04:04] <bob2> mpt: you should spec that out
[04:04] <sivang> mpt: hehe, well, most of my activies (launchpad integration work, testing, brainstomring) aren't in launchpad yet, so I gues I have zero karma
[04:04] <kiko> I have some love in a box I can share
[04:04] <kiko> gustavo niemeyer, take a bow
[04:05] <kiko> how's it going?
[04:05] <sivang> kiko: when are you coming over here for your ph.d ? ;-)
[04:05] <niemeyer> kiko!
[04:05] <niemeyer> kiko: Everything's fine
[04:05] <niemeyer> kiko: Handling documentation and preparing for the move
[04:06] <SteveA> hi gustavo
[04:06] <niemeyer> Greetings Steve!
[04:07] <niemeyer> Have you all survived the weekend activities? :)
[04:08] <kiko> sivang, I will probably visit in february
[04:08] <kiko> niemeyer, we did, and survived RJ again last week
[04:08] <kiko> niemeyer, documentation is fun
[04:09] <niemeyer> kiko: RJ? Wow.. you're brave :)
[04:10] <kiko> niemeyer, 15 gringos and a bottle of rum
[04:10] <niemeyer> Ouch!
[04:14] <lifeless> elmo = http requiests are still hitting macquaries launchpad instance
[04:14] <lifeless> bwah, typing bad amI
[04:16] <elmo> lifeless: *shrug* all possible DNS names it'll answer to have been changed
[04:16] <elmo> AFAICS - i.e. {rosetta,launchpad}.ubuntu{.com,linux.org}
[04:18] <lifeless> launchpad.net http - does that land on gangotri ?
[04:18] <elmo> yes
[04:18] <elmo> launchpad.net has address 82.211.81.179
[04:18] <elmo> ^-- gangotri
[04:18] <lifeless> k.
[04:19] <lifeless> can we add a redirect to the http port on macquarie for those dns names to gangotri ?
[04:19] <lifeless> (the ubuntu.* names)
[04:19] <elmo> I don't see how it'll help
[04:19] <elmo> if someone has the old DNS, it'll just them into an infinite loop
[04:19] <lifeless> stub and I would like to turn off the lp instance on chinstrap.
[04:19] <lifeless> oh.
[04:19] <lifeless> ok, we'll keep it running for 24 hrs
[04:20] <SteveA> that would teach them
[04:20] <elmo> I could send them to www2.launchpad.net or something, if you want
[04:20] <SteveA> darned old dns people
[04:20] <lifeless> nah, its not worth hoopss.
[04:21] <niemeyer> mpool: Ping!
[04:22] <mpool> niemeyer: high, welcome!
[04:22] <niemeyer> mpool: Hiho! :)
[04:22] <mpool> still no sign of ddaa?
[04:22] <niemeyer> ddaa?
[04:26] <Keybuk> niemeyer: heyhey
[04:26] <niemeyer> Keybuk!
[04:26] <mpool> niemeyer: ddaa = david allouche
[04:26] <niemeyer> Ah, ok :)
[04:27] <bob2> ddaa was around last night
[04:27] <bob2> trolling himself about french military conquests, no less
[04:50] <lifeless> elmo are you seeing denied requests from gangotri ? geoip isn't working ... suspect it needs outside access
[04:51] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: [r=bradb, trivial] Partial fix for bug 1094: Trying to comment without login should show the login page. We now at least show a special message when the user is not logged in; however, we don't handle cases where the end-user logs out 'out-of-band'. Also does cosmetic fixes to the add comment 'widget'. (patch-2203: [email protected])
[04:52] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/dists--devel--0: [trivial] production-1.27 config (patch-103: [email protected])
[05:04] <kiko> salgado, ping? re bug 319.
[05:20] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] Bug 1639 - use launchpad.net URLs in RDF documentation (patch-2204: [email protected])
[05:27] <lifeless> jamesh: cprov has a fix for gpg to allow the use of subkeys in coc signing. I'd like to get that into production ;). Its in your review queue ... :)
[05:30] <jblack> elmo: ping
[05:42] <elmo> jblack: ?
[05:42] <jblack> elmo: Have you heard any problems with ssh timeouts?
[05:43] <elmo> nope?
[05:43] <ddaa> Right, it's mildly annoying to be able to use the same ssh connection all week long
[05:43] <ddaa> sometimes it does not even last one day
[05:44] <ddaa> (I mean ssh to data center)
[05:44] <jblack> Ok. I'm getting timeouts on the supermirror servers... ~ 10 minute timeouts.
[05:44] <elmo> eh, I've had ssh sessions to the data centre last months
[05:44] <elmo> literally
[05:44] <elmo> so it's not a generic problem
[05:44] <elmo> have you tried adjusting/using ServerAliveInterval in ~/.sssh/config?
[05:44] <jblack> Yeah. I used to too. Feel bad about seeing a tty where I was logged in for three days.
[05:45] <ddaa> 300 here
[05:46] <jblack> I'll try a couple other places and see if I time out there as well.
[05:46] <lifeless> ddaa - mpool will be asking about samba imports, can you make getting-that-testing a priority please, its for a possible bzr migration
[05:46] <ddaa> jblack: you should not feel bad about it, those servers could probably take a few thousands idle ttys before feeling any pain.
[05:46] <jblack> Samba? Nice!
[05:47] <ddaa> "getting-that-testing"?
[05:47] <ddaa> "samba"?
[05:47] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] Bug 1279: linkify baz branches and use zero width space to allow line breaking (patch-2205: [email protected])
[05:47] <lifeless> a roomba run of it, and obvious problems addressed. would like to know whether its likely to work or not
[05:48] <morgs> ddaa: ^^ dilys "has" some "good" "news" for you...
[05:48] <ddaa> morgs: cool, I'll look at staging "soon"
[05:49] <jblack> we're having scaling problems on the supermirror, btw
[05:49] <ddaa> seriously, my main concern is just to avoid screwing the page layout with stupidly large lines
[05:50] <morgs> zero width spaces seemed to work... of course I have not tried alternative (proprietary) browsers... :)
[05:50] <jblack> pyarch/baz may be too heavy.
[05:50] <ddaa> https://macquarie.warthogs.hbd.com/roomba/status/waterfall?criteria=samba
[05:50] <lifeless> morgs are you showing urls now ?
[05:50] <ddaa> not anything I can fix myself
[05:50] <lifeless> morgs: thats a key thing IMO.
[05:50] <morgs> lifeless: yes
[05:51] <ddaa> (at least without spending like a week figuring out svn things)
[05:51] <lifeless> mo great
[05:51] <jblack> elmo: would you mind giving me another 40 gigs on vostok, btw?
[05:51] <elmo> yes; it's a mainframe and/or disk-on-demand
[05:51] <elmo> err NOT a main...
[05:52] <SteveA> elmo: just plug in some fancy usb drive
[05:52] <ddaa> uncle elmo, can I have more candy^W hard disk, plizzz?
[05:53] <elmo> jblack: seriously, if you're planning to use more space, I'll order the disks, but it'll take a couple of days
[05:53] <jblack> ddaa: Heh. Thats serious though. vostok's 65% used. Its generally better to ask a bit early than a bit late.
[05:54] <jblack> elmo: Nah. Not worth teeth gnashing.
[05:55] <jblack> This is a tla->baz migration, so certain things may start getting cached that weren't before, and once we can get archzoom doing libraries, that'll eat a lot of space. But I can avoid gluttonous stuff for your next "Oh, here's a big drive to toss in"
[05:56] <jblack> So the 20 gigs left should be fine for a bit yet, possibly a month.
[05:56] <jblack> with a bit longer if I'm careful about what acts how.
[05:57] <jblack> I'm not timing out on other machines, just on vostok and arktowski. I'll try the ServerAliveInterval option
[06:00] <lifeless> jblack: shoud not eat more space - it caches remote archives only,a nd archive mirror shouldnt result in cached copies. if it oes, its a bug,.
[06:01] <jblack> lifeless: Yeah. If mirroring were the only thing going on, sure.
[06:01] <lifeless> jblack - what do you do with remote archives that isn't mirroring ?
[06:01] <jblack> but, for example, I believe archzoom does things that may cause a revision to get used (and thusly cached).
[06:02] <lifeless> baz wont cache local archives by default. if archive archzoom has /foo/bar paths to the archive it will be fine.
[06:03] <jblack> Ok. We should be fine then, at least until we turn on libraries for archzoom.
[06:03] <lifeless> if archzoom has http:// urls then you should giver it nocache:http:// and then it wont needlessly cache those archives.
[06:03] <lifeless> exsqueeze my typing, hyper latency link
[06:03] <jblack> Its more a matter of what archzoom is doing. Its got a symlinked r/o archives list.
[06:04] <jblack> it probably goes through pyarch though. I haven't even dealt with archzoom to see what sort of love it needs yet. I'm just being careful with unknowns. knowing that the drive is already at 65% used, its usually a good habit to say "Just so you know... "
[06:04] <jblack> elmo: did you down arktowski?
[06:06] <lifeless> archzoom is perl, wont use pyarzch
[06:06] <jblack> durh. ;)
[06:06] <jblack> So it'll end up caching the -SOURCE ones, if people browse them.
[06:07] <jblack> Shouldn't be a problem to hide those though
[06:07] <lifeless> can we not give archzoom the -SOURCE registrations ?
[06:07] <lifeless> right, gcool.
[06:09] <elmo> jblack: no?
[06:10] <elmo> hmm, see what you mean tho
[06:15] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] Remove canonical._ (patch-2206: [email protected])
[06:16] <elmo> jblack: it's coming back now
[06:17] <elmo> it lost one of it's drives, and the raid card clearly believes in death before degradation and took the machine down
[06:17] <jblack> That's not very raidish...
[06:18] <elmo> yeah well, that's why the devel box is a Dell and the production one isn't
[06:18] <jblack> Reminds me of the good ole days. Once, I built a seven drive soft raid5.
[06:19] <jblack> Unfortunately, the drives were the infamouse 40 gig IBM suicide drives. Within a year I was down to 3 drives.
[06:19] <jblack> Never lost a byte on the filsystem though. degrade, backup, new raid.... on and on.
[07:03] <ddaa> Where is staging gone?
[07:08] <lifeless> stgin.launchpad.net perhaps ?
[07:28] <ddaa> ATM that gives an interesting apache index page...
[07:35] <jordi> SteveA: pong
[07:35] <jordi> carlos: I arrived
[07:35] <jordi> carlos: give me 10 minutes to land in the house, and I can get started
[07:39] <salgado> carlos, https://launchpad.net/errors/showEntry.html?id=1123003836.380.8149760579
[07:44] <salgado> carlos, did you remember to ask stub to create add the new KarmaActions in the production database?
[07:45] <salgado> s/add//
[07:47] <carlos> salgado, I did, but seems like he forgot it or I didn't rememered it enough...
[07:47] <carlos> jordi, ok
[07:47] <carlos> salgado, thanks for noting it
[07:48] <salgado> carlos, np
[08:00] <carlos> salgado, it should be fixed now
[08:42] <kiko> is jamesh in the house already?
[08:44] <jordi> oi kiko
[08:49] <kiko> heya jordi
[08:51] <jordi> my first bug against DOAP
[08:51] <jordi> :)
[09:00] <carlos> morgs, say hello to jordi
[09:01] <carlos> jordi, say hello to morgs
[09:01] <jordi> hola morgs :)
[09:01] <carlos> jordi, morgs is on charge of the products database on launchpad (The register)
[09:01] <jordi> damn. have I met morgan before in any conference?
[09:01] <jordi> I don't remember
[09:02] <carlos> jordi, hmm he was on Australia conference
[09:03] <jordi> ah, too bad
[09:05] <kiko> I'm lost in a maze of test failures, all alike
[09:05] <carlos> kiko, :-D
[09:21] <ddaa> lifeless: please get [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0--patch-139 through review and merged in rocketfuel one day
[10:24] <ddaa> WTF!
[10:25] <ddaa> There's no longer a link to productseries from a product page!
[10:25] <ddaa> *sigh*
[10:26] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] Libraraian upstream tweaks, which demonstrate the the feature is broken (?) (patch-2207: [email protected])
[10:29] <carlos> ddaa, It's inside a portlet now
[10:29] <carlos> https://launchpad.net/products/zope
[10:29] <ddaa> duh
[10:30] <ddaa> note how that's awkyard in a page like that one https://launchpad.net/products/perlsgml
[10:30] <ddaa> And how very confusing it is to have a big, in your face, productseries description in the center column _without_ a link
[10:31] <ddaa> I'll file a bug when I feel less angry about it
[10:31] <carlos> ddaa, the problem is that you are too used to the old way to have it
[10:31] <jordi> yeah, no links is bad
[10:31] <jordi> there's plenty of used space there to have a link somewhere in it
[10:31] <carlos> ddaa, I think it's less confusing using a portlet, it's more "launchpad way"
[10:31] <ddaa> carlos: the problem is that there is a BIG "Product Series" heading with description and branches in the center column, and no link there.
[10:31] <lifeless> 'launchpad way' ? wtf?
[10:32] <lifeless> its either confusing, or not confusing.
[10:32] <carlos> lifeless, launchpad uses portlets for that kind of info
[10:32] <carlos> so it's "launchpad way" :-)
[10:32] <lifeless> not consistently
[10:32] <carlos> lifeless, so it should be done
[10:32] <ddaa> carlos: stop pulling off a tomlord and listen to what we are saying
[10:32] <lifeless> oww
[10:33] <lifeless> thats harsh
[10:34] <ddaa> sorry
[10:35] <ddaa> then, stop pulling a van der Hoeven
[10:35] <lifeless> carlos admits the error of his ways
[10:35] <ddaa> usually, yes
[10:36] <carlos> ddaa, ;-)
[10:37] <jordi> argh fucking losers, stop the fireworks
[10:37] <jordi> today they celebrate it's Tuesday
[10:38] <lifeless> is it. I think its wednesday
[10:38] <ddaa> thanks jordi, I needed a laugh :-D
[10:38] <mpt> Three cheers for Tuesdays
[10:38] <jordi> mpt: hey, I have a small update for the RosettaFAQ
[10:38] <spiv> jordi: I never realised how often there were fireworks on Sydney Harbour until I lived near it. I've no idea what most of them were for.
[10:38] <jordi> I could use a review
[10:38] <jordi> spiv: "Tuesday", NO KIDDING
[10:55] <jordi> matt zimmerman!
[10:56] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: [r=jamesh] initial support for bug attachments. still some tweaks needed before the implementation fully matches the spec. (patch-2208: [email protected])
[11:16] <salgado> carlos, I'm not sure if it was you who wrote POTemplateAddView, but it had a subtle bug (that showed up now because I fixed the person vocabs to return security proxied objects)
[11:18] <salgado> carlos, the code was assuming that the 'owner' widget would return the 'id' of the selected owner, but in fact that widget returns the owner
[11:19] <mdz> jordi: popper!
[11:24] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] Instead of checking if 'Last-Translator' is an editor, we should check the person who did the import. Added a test and updated the interface (patch-2209: [email protected])
[11:57] <dilys> Merge to [email protected]/launchpad--devel--0: My librarian-cleanups branch, held up by baz confusion. r=BjornT (patch-2210: [email protected])
[12:00] <carlos> salgado-brb, I wrote it, yes
[12:01] <carlos> salgado-brb, hmm, I don't remember why I did it that way so I cannot give you an explanation ...
[12:01] <carlos> salgado-brb, did you fixed it?
[12:04] <lifeless> ddaa - I'm going to be busy for the next 2.5 weeks at least, can you merge that launchpad branch into yours, and do the reviewers request ?
[12:04] <lifeless> ddaa - I would really appreciate that.
[12:05] <ddaa> okay, I just hope it's reasonably not too insane
[12:05] <ddaa> lifeless: before going away, could you write that bit of documentation about inputs and outputs of the log parser and cache generator of cscvs?
[12:05] <mpt> jordi: There's a Rosetta FAQ?
[12:05] <lifeless> ddaa: ack. will
[12:05] <carlos> mpt, yes wiki.ubuntu.com/Rosetta/RosettaFAQ
[12:06] <ddaa> I know that would be a lot of work, but it's _really_ needed for anybody but you to maintain that code.
[12:09] <lifeless> ddaa: real briefly the log parser gives you al the revisions the log contains, the cache generator combines that with the knowledge from the branch and teh local catalog to update the catalog.
[12:09] <ddaa> I understand that much already.
[12:10] <ddaa> lifeless: don't try to be brief, that's something that needs some real solid documentation, as it's all about evil dragon-infested dark corners.
[12:10] <lifeless> heh. I'll focus on the bit giving you grief.
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2005-08-07-#kubuntu
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[12:05] <toma> frank: i don't think so.
[12:06] <JaZy84> cane someone ehlp me add the needed repositories to get kde installed?
[12:07] <JaZy84> i added the ones in www.kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-242.php
[12:07] <JaZy84> but they don't work when i update
[12:11] <JaZy84> well i think the problem is that don't have it for popwer pc..so i need ones with 3.4.1
[12:14] <JaZy84> okay well now i found the repositories for 341 but i can't get it to apt-get install because it says depends on unresolvable dependencies any ideas?
[12:16] <toma> JaZy84: please paste your sources list and the output of the dependency on a pastebin please.
[12:16] <nikkia> done it, i think
[12:17] <nikkia> since the LAN side of the modem is only ever talking to my router, i just told it to reroute *all* ports to it's IP
[12:17] <nikkia> and i let the router deal with NAT and DMZ
[12:17] <JaZy84> toma where do i do a pastebin
[12:18] <toma> http://rafb.net/paste/
[12:19] <toma> paste the info there, press submit and let us know the url of that page
[12:22] <JaZy84> http://rafb.net/paste/results/wzXVhx82.html
[12:23] <JaZy84> toma
[12:24] <frank> JaZy84: the official looking kde repo may be your problem
[12:24] <toma> JaZy84: better comment out the warty ones.
[12:24] <frank> JaZy84: are you using warty?
[12:24] <toma> JaZy84: and do an apt-get update followed by a apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:25] <JaZy84> yeah.
[12:25] <JaZy84> that's the 5.04 right
[12:25] <JaZy84> toma without the warty repos?
[12:25] <frank> JaZy84: no 5.04 is hoary
[12:25] <toma> JaZy84: yep
[12:25] <JaZy84> i have 5.04
[12:25] <frank> JaZy84: but the kubuntu.org packages are for hoary, not warty
[12:26] <frank> JaZy84: then why do you have warty sources?
[12:26] <JaZy84> no no i do have 4.10
[12:26] <JaZy84> ..
[12:26] <JaZy84> so i have to upgrade to 5.04 first?
[12:26] <JaZy84> ?
[12:27] <JaZy84> can i just add repos?
[12:27] <toma> JaZy84: yeah, better do a apt-get dist-upgrade after the apt-get update after removing the warty stuff
[12:27] <frank> JaZy84: probably the easiest way is to upgrade to hoary.
[12:27] <frank> JaZy84: change warty for hoary in sources.list
[12:27] <JaZy84> sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[12:27] <JaZy84> is what i was told..
[12:27] <JaZy84> let me do that.
[12:27] <JaZy84> then i'll be right back :)
[12:28] <toma> right ;-)
[12:37] <wellso> hello
[12:37] <wellso> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-wellso" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0. Link points to "/var/tmp/kdecache-root"
[12:37] <wellso> when i try to use kate as root via sudo i get this error
[12:38] <_nikkia> wellso, *stop running kde as root*
[12:38] <wellso> do i have to set the ownership of kate as root
[12:38] <wellso> im not
[12:38] <wellso> im using that sudo thingy
[12:38] <_nikkia> wellso, use kdesu
[12:39] <_nikkia> sudo doesn't work for KDE apps because of the way /tmp/kde-* and so on work
[12:39] <wellso> _nikkia: is that a replacement for sudo
[12:39] <_nikkia> wellso, no, its just for running kde apps as root, really
[12:39] <wellso> _nikkia: i take it sudo gnome specific
[12:39] <_nikkia> wellso, no
[12:39] <_nikkia> sudo is a command line program, it has no concept of GUI stuff at all
[12:40] <wellso> _nikkia: so i cant invoke GUI programs via it
[12:40] <wellso> _nikkia: but kdesu can use the GUI
[12:48] <wellso> do i only use sudo when working from the command line then?
[12:49] <ma3x> good evening guys, when i install kubuntu is there mailserver installed by default?
[12:52] <Aapzak> ma3x: I would not know, mail can be frustrating :)
[12:52] <ma3x> ok
[12:54] <ray_> anybody know how to make a backup of a dvd?
[12:55] <douglas> Everytime my box starts up it synchronizes my time with ubuntu, but I think I don't have the right time zone selected, how do I select the right one so at startup I get the appropriate time?
[12:55] <Aapzak> k3b copies dvd's
[12:56] <ray_> Aapzak: regular dvd's?
[12:57] <Aapzak> ray_: data dvd's, not video dvd's
[12:57] <Aapzak> a video dvd will not fit on a 4.x Gb dvd+-rw
[12:57] <ray_> Aapzak: yeah i mean video dvd
[01:00] <Aapzak> anyone who knows rt2500+security inhere?
[01:01] <Aapzak> got the wiki
[01:05] <Sgep> Hi all
[01:06] <Sgep> On the LiveCD, how do I use a floppy?
[01:12] <Sgep> re Mez
[01:12] <Mez> re?
[01:14] <jdkycdoc> hi everyone, i want to install kde in a friend's computer running ubuntu, he have dial-up connection and so I was wondering if I could install kde (kubuntu-desktop) from kubuntu install CD, do you know?
[01:15] <Sgep> Mez: "re-hi". A habbit I picked up from another chat
[01:15] <Mez> fair enough
[01:24] <bobbyd> jdkycdoc, yeah sure, just grab the kubuntu instrall CD
[01:24] <jdkycdoc> bobbyd, hi, i already have it
[01:24] <jdkycdoc> bobbyd, so how do i use it?
[01:24] <bobbyd> is he running ubuntu?
[01:24] <jdkycdoc> yeah
[01:24] <bobbyd> ok one second
[01:26] <bobbyd> I think if you add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list file it should work: deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)] / hoary main restricted
[01:26] <bobbyd> then you should just be able to to do apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:26] <apokryphos> The CD source depends on the actual CD you installed from
[01:27] <bobbyd> apokryphos, so you can't just all another CD source?
[01:27] <apokryphos> bobbyd: you can, sure.
[01:28] <bobbyd> so what does he need to do?
[01:28] <apokryphos> bobbyd: note the (20050407) however there. He'll have to find out whatever the one on the CD is for him
[01:28] <apokryphos> bobbyd: but your method is right, still, and should work.
[01:28] <apokryphos> (provided you put the appropriate source, that is)
[01:28] <bobbyd> ahh ok
[01:28] <bobbyd> jdkycdoc, did you get that?
[01:29] <apokryphos> jdkycdoc: if you already have the CD then the appropriate source should already be in /etc/apt/sources.list, unless you deleted it
[01:30] <bobbyd> apokryphos, he's trying to add the kubuntu CD source to a friend's ubuntu install
[01:30] <apokryphos> Yup. So in his own sources.list he'll have the right source, so he knows exactly what to add in his friend's
[01:31] <bobbyd> ahh yes
[01:31] <bobbyd> good call
[01:32] <jdkycdoc> thanks very much for the info bobbyd, i was away for a minute im going to read it and save it now
[01:32] <bobbyd> jdkycdoc, it was all apokryphos :)
[01:33] <jdkycdoc> then thank you both
[01:33] <apokryphos> bobbyd: :| ...apart from the part where you gave most of the information ;-)
[01:38] <jdkycdoc> bobbyd, how do I know which is the date for the kubuntu disk i have? i cant see it in my computer because actually i dont use kubuntu
[01:48] <Aapzak> guys, I have wifi working, with 128 bits wep key, I don't understand wifi security a lot, but I only allow on mac address,
[01:49] <Aapzak> net auth = open, wep enabled, 128bits, mac filter on. is that reasonably secure?
[01:53] <nikkia> Aapzak: the mac filter is all thats secure there :/
[01:54] <nikkia> Aapzak: WEP doesn't stop anything but casual attempts
[01:54] <Aapzak> wifi is just a big leak I guess
[01:54] <nikkia> and i mean very casual
[01:54] <nikkia> a decent PC can crack a wep 128 key in a couple of minutes
[01:54] <Aapzak> making the ap hidden is a good idea too?
[01:54] <nikkia> yeah, but....
[01:55] <bwb> is there a akode plugin for amarok available?
[01:55] <nikkia> windows can be a bit finicky with hidden ESSIDs, if you have any windows clients on your wlan
[01:55] <Aapzak> I think my nic can't do wpa in linux, so I pretty much screwed?
[01:55] <ma3x> why is kmail missing under 'internet' menu?
[01:55] <Aapzak> nikkia: I have, this same laptop
[01:56] <nikkia> Aapzak: pretty much, if you're really paranoid, you could rotate keys every day, but thats a pain
[01:56] <Aapzak> pff, I won't
[01:56] <nikkia> Aapzak: my best suggestion is to get a neighbour thats clueless
[01:57] <nikkia> i feel fairly safe noone's going to go to much effort to snoop/crack my wep on my 802.11b network given the kid next door has a wide-open 802.11g network
[01:57] <Aapzak> my router has wifi, i guess I would be better of with an ap connected to a firewall, so I can seperate my lan from wifi
[01:57] <nikkia> yeah
[01:57] <Aapzak> I have 2 wide open neihbours too
[01:58] <Aapzak> matter of fact, I've been using those the last days for inet access, my dsl was down
[01:58] <Aapzak> I;ve done no updates or any downloading, just checking mail, being online
[01:59] <equex> i dont get OpenGL working on my Radeon9200, i installed the drivers from ATI, the module appears to be loaded (appears in lsmod) still it is in Mesa Indirect mode.. xorg.conf says its enabled. any ideas?
[01:59] <aseigo> Riddell: ping?
[01:59] <Aapzak> don't you have to tell your system to use ati opengl?
[01:59] <Sgep> How do I pin something in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[02:00] <Aapzak> in Gentoo there is a command for that
[02:00] <equex> Aapzak: how would that look
[02:00] <equex> the command.. maybe its the same
[02:00] <Aapzak> lemme check
[02:01] <Aapzak> prolly not :) gentoo has superior scripts for making your life easy
[02:01] <nikkia> its not Y2k1 safe!
[02:01] <equex> Aapzak: seems 2d acceleration is enables (judging from the snappiness of KDE)
[02:01] <Aapzak> how old is that 'new' doorbell?
[02:01] <nikkia> Aapzak: Y2k1, not Y2k
[02:01] <nikkia> Aapzak: 'Year setting: 2000 to 2099'
[02:01] <Riddell> aseigo: hi
[02:01] <nikkia> why do people NEVER learn ?
[02:01] <Aapzak> :)
[02:01] <aseigo> Riddell: nice last commit ;) freakin' "laws of physics"
[02:02] <aseigo> Riddell: also enjoyed the interview. .. have a question re:kcontrol
[02:02] <Aapzak> nikkia: people are stupid
[02:02] <Riddell> aseigo: you would have thought an artist should know which way round the colours on a rainbox go :)
[02:02] <aseigo> Riddell: what are you planning to do with sysconfig to make it usable?
[02:02] <Riddell> aseigo: sysconfig?
[02:02] <aseigo> Riddell: lol ... maybe they're just Very Straight ;)
[02:03] <aseigo> Riddell: sorry.. systemsettings
[02:03] <Aapzak> equex: opengl-update ati
[02:03] <Riddell> aseigo: it is usable, compared to kcontrol
[02:04] <aseigo> Riddell: the first page is, it's every page thereafter that isn't=)
[02:04] <Riddell> well that's just playing with kcm modules
[02:04] <aseigo> ergo my question =)
[02:04] <aseigo> what "playing" are you going to do exactly? it's a bit of a tough nut
[02:05] <Aapzak> equex: does it work?
[02:05] <Riddell> no immediate plans to change them
[02:06] <equex> Aapzak: lemme see
[02:07] <aseigo> Riddell: hrm.. i see.. i think it would be very good to get some real user testing on it, to be perfectly honest
[02:07] <Riddell> aseigo: gnome already does separate based on what needs root and what doesn't, and they're starting to realise that's quite arbitrary from a users point of view
[02:07] <aseigo> Riddell: you're going to be at aKademy, right?
[02:07] <equex> Aapzak: nope..
[02:07] <equex> Aapzak: but xorg.conf seems to be correct
[02:07] <aseigo> Riddell: agreed. i'm thinking things like the samba config, networking, etc ...
[02:07] <Riddell> aseigo: I shall be at akademy, would be fun to take a look at it then
[02:07] <aseigo> Riddell: system issues
[02:07] <equex> and i did reboot as well
[02:08] <Aapzak> equex: run fglrxgears
[02:08] <Aapzak> or plain glxgears
[02:08] <Aapzak> no, fglrxgears I think
[02:08] <Aapzak> fglrxinfo
[02:09] <Aapzak> If the OpenGL vendor string says "ATI Technologies," then congrats! You've got the drivers working and hardware acceleration going great. If not...read on...
[02:09] <Riddell> aseigo: what do you think of konqueror's simplebrowser?
[02:10] <Aapzak> equex: ?
[02:11] <aseigo> Riddell: it's pretty much what i personally use...
[02:11] <Riddell> aseigo: any reason why KDE can't use it as default?
[02:11] <aseigo> Riddell: annoyance.
[02:12] <aseigo> Riddell: something my survey a year or so ago did show was that print is actually used fairly consistently
[02:12] <Aapzak> equex: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Rt2500WirelessCardsHowTo
[02:12] <Aapzak> nonono
[02:12] <Aapzak> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_ATI_Drivers
[02:13] <aseigo> Riddell: and personally i like the zoom buttons, but whatever. i find the "clear location bar" button highly annoying and remove it.. oh, and think about putting a spacer before the throbber. makes it look a lot nicer
[02:13] <Riddell> clear location bar is very useful, but safari does it nicer with the button inside the combo box
[02:15] <aseigo> very useful? hm.
[02:15] <aseigo> since the url bar requires keyboard usage, and the button is done with the mouse, i'm sceptical of "very". it also rated extremeley low on that survey i did
[02:16] <Riddell> I think it's most useful for pasteing with middle mouse button, which is an advanced user's thing
[02:16] <aseigo> so just paste in the page =)
[02:16] <equex> Aapzak: i got glxgears to work.. does that mean OGL works now ? i saw spinning wheels..
[02:17] <Aapzak> dunno equex, don't you have fglrxinfo?
[02:17] <equex> still fglrxinfo says Mesa Indirect.. and other GL apps doesnt work
[02:17] <equex> :)
[02:17] <Aapzak> answer?
[02:17] <Aapzak> no opengl
[02:17] <aseigo> equex: what sort of frame rate are you getting with OGL and what's your cpu hit?
[02:17] <Aapzak> prolly < 50
[02:17] <equex> aseigo: about 100
[02:17] <Aapzak> fast cpu :)
[02:18] <equex> amd2600+
[02:18] <aseigo> equex: so you are running software openGL
[02:18] <Aapzak> yeah, you have no hardware opengl at the moment
[02:18] <equex> :p
[02:18] <aseigo> equex: if it was in hardware you'd have a good framerate and virtually no cpu usage
[02:18] <Aapzak> good = ?
[02:19] <Aapzak> 100 fps is excellent in css, so what is good fps in gears?
[02:19] <Aapzak> isn't there a wiki about this?
[02:20] <Aapzak> the opengl-update script is rather large equex
[02:22] <Aapzak> equex: do you have xcomposite manager in xorg config?
[02:23] <Geist|Patrick> hi
[02:25] <ray_> what is a good pdf veiwer for kde?
[02:25] <incubii> is kde 3.4.2 going to be merged into the default repos or will we need to add the additional on to get it
[02:25] <ray_> incubii: i had to add them....but 3.4.2 works great
[02:25] <equex> Aapzak: xcomposite manager ? supposed to be a section in the conf file ?
[02:26] <Aapzak> forget it :)
[02:26] <Aapzak> better lookup NoDCC
[02:26] <incubii> oh im aware you have to add an extra repo im just curious if it will be added to the default ones
[02:26] <Aapzak> do you have : Option "NoDCC"
[02:26] <ray_> incubii: it will eventually
[02:26] <incubii> excellent, ill wait till then
[02:27] <Aapzak> equex: read this topic, maybe you're lucky: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3764.html
[02:28] <Aapzak> equex: I sold my Ati 9800Pro because of terrible linux support, I went back to NVidia and lived happily ever after
[02:28] <equex> :(
[02:28] <equex> lemme read that
[02:28] <Geist|Patrick> is this output correct?
[02:28] <Geist|Patrick> i reconfigured xserver and get following output:
[02:28] <Geist|Patrick> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/884
[02:29] <ma3x> there is a bug in kubuntu in kynaptic
[02:29] <Aapzak> Geist|Patrick: that looks nice
[02:29] <ma3x> when i choose which package to install, and then when the confirmation window comes up, I have no option to choose yes or no
[02:29] <ma3x> there is nothing
[02:30] <Geist|Patrick> well... which driverversion is the one which is delivered on the official sources?
[02:30] <Aapzak> ow, dunno
[02:30] <Geist|Patrick> display: :0.0 screen: 0 <-- thats expected?
[02:31] <Aapzak> yeah, most of the times
[02:31] <Geist|Patrick> ok
[02:31] <Geist|Patrick> btw. its a 9800 here too
[02:31] <Geist|Patrick> X-D
[02:32] <Aapzak> crappy drivers, get rid of it :)
[02:32] <Geist|Patrick> well... the new cards have disgusting anisotrpic filtering...
[02:32] <Aapzak> important lesson, never ever buy stuff which is not fully supported in linux/bsd
[02:32] <Geist|Patrick> especially 7800 is creepy :/
[02:32] <equex> Aapzak: i actaully have a nvidia card around but its old.. gf4mx i think
[02:33] <Aapzak> equex: you probably get better opengl from thatone than from your ati :)
[02:33] <nikkia> hmmm, can anyone connect to www.xs26.net ?
[02:33] <Geist|Patrick> i hope ati's next blowout will support composite extensions ;)
[02:34] <nikkia> geist, given how in-bed with MS they are now, you really think they'll even bother with more linux drivers?
[02:34] <Aapzak> nikkia: does not look like it,
[02:34] <Aapzak> timeoute
[02:34] <nikkia> Aapzak: *nod* that's what i get, wanted to make sure it wasn't something here
[02:34] <Geist|Patrick> well... why not... i try to become less pessimistic
[02:34] <equex> grmph... :( well i dont need GL just yet,.. maybe ATI will come with some solution soon.. lots of disgruntled customers around i see
[02:34] <Aapzak> forget about ati
[02:35] <nikkia> geist, its been this way for years that i remember, i doubt ATI are gonna improve anytime soon
[02:35] <Aapzak> I agree
[02:35] <Geist|Patrick> nvidia fools their buyers with the lowest texture quality on the market
[02:35] <Aapzak> really, do yourself a favour and buy nvidia
[02:35] <Geist|Patrick> ati suxx with linux
[02:35] <nikkia> geist, better low textures than no textures
[02:35] <Aapzak> lol
[02:35] <TestMAD> nvidia is the best option for linux
[02:35] <Geist|Patrick> lets hope that matrox is developing a real good thing
[02:35] <TestMAD> i just wish the drivers had sli support
[02:36] <Geist|Patrick> TestMAD: no.. thats matrox with its OOs dirvers
[02:36] <Aapzak> matrox and 3d have never been friends
[02:36] <nikkia> *me coughs up her drink* matrox??
[02:36] <Geist|Patrick> Aapzak: u dont remember the g400?
[02:36] <nikkia> they've gotten out of the consumer market, afaict
[02:36] <nikkia> geist, he probably does, hence his comment
[02:36] <Geist|Patrick> nikkia: nobody nknowns, since their not at wallstreet
[02:36] <TestMAD> 3dfx?
[02:36] <Sgep> What additional repositories should I use?
[02:36] <nikkia> testmad, 3dfx are still around...
[02:36] <Geist|Patrick> rest in peace, 3dfx
[02:36] <TestMAD> no they not
[02:36] <nikkia> testmad, they're called nvidia now
[02:37] <TestMAD> 3dfx was bought out by nvidia
[02:37] <nikkia> testmad, yes, and the 'FX' series were designed by ex-3dfx people
[02:37] <Geist|Patrick> if their dx8 graphic card had been released we would be one or two years further in development :)
[02:37] <nikkia> testmad, largely, nvidia/3dfx did a apple/NeXT
[02:37] <Geist|Patrick> things that were planed for their card are reach now nvidia lately
[02:37] <TestMAD> i just want the new mobos that support 4 pci express vid cards to come out
[02:37] <Geist|Patrick> O_o
[02:38] <Geist|Patrick> i guess that wont be happen
[02:38] <TestMAD> 4 7800 ultra gt's (when relesed) would so rock
[02:38] <Geist|Patrick> even pci express has not enough bandwidht for that
[02:38] <TestMAD> well..ppl are workign on it
[02:38] <TestMAD> it would be awesoem to see
[02:39] <Geist|Patrick> well, there are ppl working on better spacegliders
[02:39] <Geist|Patrick> too
[02:39] <Geist|Patrick> ;) ;)
[02:39] <Geist|Patrick> americans should be feel mad, living under the pressure of a semidictator like bush ;)
[02:40] <TestMAD> y a semidictator?
[02:41] <TestMAD> next election will be the first to have a female canidate
[02:41] <TestMAD> and the democrats are going to do it
[02:41] <Geist|Patrick> btw. usa has a deep democratic crisies... their senat is powerless, their "highcomander" has to many rights, the lobbys have to much influenz coze they buy their president and the conentration camp guantanamo
[02:41] <TestMAD> 2008 will be the year that hillary clinton runs for pres.
[02:42] <Geist|Patrick> i hope so... but then in germany we will have conservative powers
[02:42] <TestMAD> Geist|Patrick: do you live in america?
[02:42] <Geist|Patrick> a female chancler is named for this year elections
[02:42] <Geist|Patrick> no germany
[02:42] <TestMAD> then you prolly get yer info on the us from the liberal media..
[02:42] <aseigo> lol
[02:43] <TestMAD> i wasnt commenting on germany's media..but the us media
[02:43] <Geist|Patrick> ya.. i think so
[02:43] <TestMAD> so dont take it the wrong way
[02:43] <aseigo> TestMAD: you really think the US media is liberal?
[02:43] <TestMAD> yes
[02:43] <aseigo> interesting definition of "liberal"
[02:44] <TestMAD> it is tho
[02:44] <aseigo> perhaps for the US it is .. but it's hardly liberal
[02:44] <Geist|Patrick> i think it was a ironic
[02:44] <Geist|Patrick> he tried to say, that america isn't as free as it supposed to be
[02:44] <TestMAD> the only newspaper worth reading anymore that is truly objectional is the wallstreet journal..and for tv..forget about it
[02:45] <Geist|Patrick> all i heared there is only one place left in usa thats worth to live. alasca ;)
[02:45] <aseigo> yes, i agree, american t.v. news is crap
[02:45] <TestMAD> at least in the us..i dont watch tv from other countries or read their publications...so i cant say for them
[02:45] <aseigo> esp Fox, which is ultracon
[02:45] <Geist|Patrick> they are much more influenced by canada
[02:45] <aseigo> the rest are simply ... conservative
[02:45] <TestMAD> fox..conservative??
[02:45] <TestMAD> yer crazy
[02:46] <aseigo> TestMAD: fox news, yes.
[02:46] <TestMAD> fox i wouldnt call liberal or coservative..
[02:46] <aseigo> TestMAD: the one where virtually every anchor, reporter and teleprompt reader is a known conservative
[02:46] <TestMAD> alot of stuff they do pisses off both sides
[02:46] <aseigo> one's liberalism or conservatism isn't measured by who you piss off
[02:46] <Geist|Patrick> i dont know the us media that good...
[02:47] <TestMAD> i just think that the democrats are in trouble..and are going to run hillary for pres..
[02:47] <Geist|Patrick> but if i read that usa tries to forbid the darwin's evolution theory i dont think that ur country is well educated
[02:47] <TestMAD> and the republicans to gain more favor will run rice..she's female and black.
[02:47] <TestMAD> i think its all stupid..
[02:47] <aseigo> Geist|Patrick: areas of the US only
[02:48] <aseigo> TestMAD: i'll be impressed if they run even one female candidate. two would be pretty amazing
[02:48] <Geist|Patrick> bible belt spreads
[02:48] <TestMAD> umm..the country isnt trying to forbid evolution theory
[02:48] <Geist|Patrick> it does X-D
[02:48] <TestMAD> its the holy rollers that are trying to do it
[02:49] <Geist|Patrick> its like following: there are rich fundamilistic christians that built a new school
[02:49] <TestMAD> i beleive that both should be taught but in an objectional way..
[02:49] <Geist|Patrick> in exchange they have the right to influence the content of school
[02:49] <TestMAD> just say that some ppl thinks this way..and others think that way..and thats all
[02:50] <Geist|Patrick> and these say, that the inteligent design *loooooo* should be thought
[02:50] <equex> Aapzak: dang i think i fixed the problem
[02:50] <TestMAD> well.thats also a private school..not a federal schoolt
[02:50] <Geist|Patrick> as well as darwin and the newer theories
[02:50] <equex> just set it to not use the internal agpart
[02:50] <TestMAD> theres a difference
[02:50] <Aapzak> equex: how?
[02:50] <equex> now i get like 1000-2000 fps with glgears
[02:50] <aseigo> equex: that's more like it =)
[02:50] <Geist|Patrick> well.. thats supposed to be teached in science lessons
[02:51] <aseigo> equex: per 5s, or per s?
[02:51] <pax> The US is walking Iran path. If anyone know/remember how Iran was and is now after extremists took over.
[02:51] <equex> in xorg.conf , set useInternalAGPart = "no"
[02:51] <Geist|Patrick> all i know about that out of the satiric articles about americas schoolsystes ;) ;)
[02:51] <equex> or something like that
[02:51] <TestMAD> i think that removing certain words from the pledge of aliegance was stoopid..and banning prayer from school was dumb.
[02:51] <Geist|Patrick> pax: ja... sharia vs. biblecode
[02:51] <TestMAD> everyone is too worried about being PC today
[02:51] <nikkia> equex: 1000 fps is still a terribley low number unless its a laptop :)
[02:52] <I_Eat_Plastic> Does anyone know where I can find a tutorial on how to update the nvidia drivers for kubuntu? :O
[02:52] <nikkia> equex: here's mine:
[02:52] <nikkia> nikki@nikki:~$ glxgears
[02:52] <nikkia> 23774 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4754.800 FPS
[02:52] <Geist|Patrick> in the ubuntuforums are good tutorials
[02:52] <I_Eat_Plastic> Geist|Patrick Thank you
[02:52] <TestMAD> wow. that isnt full window is it nikkia?
[02:53] <nikkia> testmad, the default window
[02:53] <Geist|Patrick> how can i output the fps if i test glgears
[02:53] <TestMAD> oh..i dont even get that good in default window..
[02:53] <nikkia> testmad, comparing anything but the default window makes no sense
[02:53] <TestMAD> i get 3500+-
[02:53] <Geist|Patrick> how do u get the fps info?
[02:53] <nikkia> Geist|Patrick: it prints it to the terminal that started it, after 5 seconds
[02:53] <equex> nikkia: is it bad for a Radeon9200 ?
[02:53] <TestMAD> nikkia..give me tips for getting my nvidia up to speed
[02:54] <equex> the 9200 is getting old
[02:54] <nikkia> equex: off the top of my head, not bad, but not great, istr getting around 1700-2000 on my 9200 when everything was configured right
[02:54] <_cj> heya
[02:54] <Geist|Patrick> 31721 frames in 5.0 seconds = 6344.200 FPS
[02:54] <Geist|Patrick> thats ok?
[02:54] <nikkia> Geist|Patrick: yeah, thats ok
[02:54] <_cj> having trouble accessing my memory card
[02:54] <TestMAD> ewhoa..
[02:54] <TestMAD> how are yall getting FPS like that?
[02:55] <nikkia> testmad, properly configured drivers :P
[02:55] <Geist|Patrick> i just reconfigured xserver
[02:55] <Geist|Patrick> and now the 3d acceleartion worx with my ati
[02:55] <TestMAD> point me in the right direction nikkia..pls
[02:55] <nikkia> testmad, one step is to make sure you're using nvidia's AGPgart, not the lousy ones in the kernel :)
[02:55] <TestMAD> even for a pci express card?
[02:56] <nikkia> testmad, no idea how PCI Express appear, but i imagine there is something similar to the AGPgart
[02:56] <Geist|Patrick> fgl_glxgears
[02:56] <Geist|Patrick> about 800FPS
[02:56] <TestMAD> hmm
[02:56] <Geist|Patrick> 1000
[02:56] <TestMAD> ill have to read on it..cus i got renderaccel on
[02:56] <TestMAD> and removed dri
[02:56] <Geist|Patrick> then u cant have 3d accell
[02:56] <TestMAD> there was no ogl to remove from xorg
[02:56] <stef> Hello ubuntus!!!
[02:57] <stef> anybody out there?
[02:57] <TestMAD> nikkia..paste yer nvidia config from xorg for me pls.
[02:58] <nikkia> testmad, not right now, i'm going to bed
[02:58] <TestMAD> k..nite then
[02:58] <Geist|Patrick> gn8 nikkia
[02:58] <TestMAD> c u tomorrow
[02:59] <Aapzak> bye bye
[02:59] <TestMAD> im gonna have to play around with my nvidia..
[02:59] <TestMAD> it would still be nice to have sli
[02:59] <Aapzak> I have 600 fps, std window
[03:00] <Aapzak> ati mob radeon 7200
[03:00] <Aapzak> no fglrx for me, too old
[03:00] <Geist|Patrick> u mean the driver is too old?
[03:00] <Aapzak> my card is too old
[03:01] <Aapzak> pre r200
[03:01] <Geist|Patrick> ok
[03:01] <aseigo> my laptop does around 200fps with the default window size glxgears
[03:01] <aseigo> but the 3D support is pretty flaky on it =/
[03:01] <Geist|Patrick> ^^ :)
[03:01] <Geist|Patrick> ok
[03:01] <Aapzak> I don't care for 3d support on this laptop with Kubuntu, as long as 2d is ok
[03:01] <Geist|Patrick> ya.. and now we have cards that are not mobile anymore
[03:01] <Geist|Patrick> nice progress O_O
[03:02] <aseigo> Riddell: ah .. one other thing about systemsettings ... diverging further and further from stock kde; how good is that?
[03:02] <Aapzak> guys, I'm leaving too, still have to configure this damn wificard in Windows :)
[03:02] <Geist|Patrick> gn8 Aapzak
[03:02] <Aapzak> tnx, u2
[03:04] <Zactivix> having trouble accessing my memory card, can anyone help?
[03:04] <Zactivix> for some reason its not detecting it
[03:04] <Zactivix> altho it worked fine on my last reboot :(
[03:04] <stef> is someone here how knows something about isp-buisiness? I need some information about the connection to the outside world!
[03:06] <stef> I meant techical information...
[03:08] <stef> all tired?
[03:09] <Zactivix> :\
[03:10] <Geist|Patrick> how can i store the kmixer settings?
[03:11] <aseigo> Geist|Patrick: they store themselves
[03:11] <stef> @zactivix whats going on by you?
[03:11] <Geist|Patrick> they dont
[03:12] <stef> :?
[03:12] <Zactivix> having trouble accessing my memory card, steg
[03:12] <Zactivix> stef
[03:12] <Zactivix> for my digicam
[03:12] <Zactivix> :*(
[03:12] <Geist|Patrick> :(
[03:13] <Zactivix> I checked top to c if it was running in the bg
[03:13] <Zactivix> and thats why it wasn't detecting
[03:13] <Zactivix> but um
[03:13] <Zactivix> nope.
[03:15] <stef> yes I see. I had atry to install an old (5y) scanner and wasnt successful
[03:16] <Sgep> How is security handeled in universe?
[03:17] <stef> paranoia??
[03:17] <crimsun> best effort
[03:20] <molmol> Peace all. 3.4.2? I'm still on 3.4.0, from the installation CD. Wanted to ask for your experience: is upgrading KDE dangerous (eg, unstable)? Will it lose my configs?
[03:21] <crimsun> molmol: it's quite safe.
[03:22] <molmol> cirmsun: "quite"? ;o) Your experience? Lost any configs? Bugs fixed? What?
[03:23] <crimsun> molmol: bugs fixed. 3.4.2 works fine here.
[03:24] <crimsun> evening, james.
[03:31] <dutch> crimsun: hello tonight..what's up ?
[03:31] <crimsun> dutch: not much, just doing MOTU work
[03:32] <crimsun> whipping the next vlc into shape for Breezy
[03:32] <dutch> mobile technicial unit ?
[03:32] <dutch> old Navy term :)
[03:33] <crimsun> (master of the universe)
[03:33] <dutch> now, that sounds impressive..wish I had thought of it :)
[03:34] <crimsun> hehe, it has a flair to it
[03:34] <crimsun> we take care of your universe and multiverse packages
[03:36] <dutch> that's good....I think I have to use a couple of the universe and mutliverse packages for my ham radio stuff...
[03:37] <crimsun> cool
[03:38] <_frank> crimsun: are the universe package version frozen for breezy now?
[03:38] <crimsun> _frank: no
[03:38] <TestMAD> they need to hurry up with the sli support
[03:38] <crimsun> hence why I'm still doing MOTU work ;)
[03:39] <_frank> crimsun: how much time for testing breezy is there with the final version?
[03:39] <crimsun> _frank: hopefully at least 1 1/2 months
[03:42] <Geist|Patrick> weired
[03:42] <Geist|Patrick> i dont can reactivate soundoutput of all my 5 speakers
[03:42] <Geist|Patrick> thats weired
[03:42] <Geist|Patrick> out of the box it worked fine
[03:48] <Geist|Patrick> however... gn8 for now
[03:48] <Geist|Patrick> :)
[03:49] <hon> I cannot cancel printer jobs unless I use root/sudo. how can I enable other users to do so?
[04:05] <pax> hon: have the user in lpadmin?
[04:06] <hon> I just added the user in lpadmin,
[04:06] <ICXCNIKA> Hello.
[04:06] <hon> but does it update immediately?
[04:06] <hon> there was a 300secs refresh rate somewhere in a /etc/cups/cupsd.conf
[04:07] <pax> should, you can always logout/in and try again
[04:07] <hon> it still asks for password on localhost
[04:08] <hon> ok let's logout/login
[04:09] <ICXCNIKA> Gosh. Kubuntu has to come in from the Isle of Man. That's going to take awhile to get here.
[04:10] <GPSWillie> I tried to start X windows
[04:10] <GPSWillie> no screens available
[04:12] <GPSWillie> I typed startx
[04:12] <GPSWillie> and got angry error messages
[04:13] <pax> was it working before, did you change somethin in your xorg.conf?
[04:13] <GPSWillie> no
[04:13] <GPSWillie> it has not worked so far
[04:14] <pax> ok, your card is supported?
[04:14] <GPSWillie> I believe so
[04:14] <pax> xserver is installed?
[04:14] <GPSWillie> the whole desktop is installed
[04:14] <GPSWillie> there are two vid controllers
[04:14] <GPSWillie> I don't know which one it's using
[04:15] <pax> lspci
[04:16] <GPSWillie> ok, it shows both, but doesn't say which one it's trying to use
[04:18] <GPSWillie> one card is S3 ViRGE and the other is SIS
[04:18] <pax> check xorg.conf it should tell you the BusID of the one in use
[04:20] <GPSWillie> at the risk of sounding completely retarded, where is that file and how do I check it?
[04:21] <pax> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:21] <GPSWillie> permission denied
[04:22] <pax> use sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:23] <pax> don't worry about what you sound like, I ask questions my self on a daily basis and seek help when I can't manage
[04:24] <pax> I didn't ask you if this is a nVidia or ATI chip?
[04:24] <GPSWillie> nVidia
[04:24] <GPSWillie> it's using SiS
[04:24] <pax> yeah, start here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[04:25] <pax> install the proper driver first and see what happens
[04:28] <GPSWillie> how can I use Synaptic when I've never gotten a GUI?
[04:29] <QMario> Is there a "Package Manager" for SUSE?
[04:30] <jsubl2> QMario: try #suse
[04:30] <pax> GPSWillie: oh you so you are on the box without X. here: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[04:30] <aseigo> QMario: yast
[04:31] <pax> GPSWillie: then, sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings
[04:31] <pax> GPSWillie: last step, sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[04:34] <GPSWillie> can't find nvidid-settings
[04:36] <GPSWillie> or rather, the package has no installation candidate
[04:36] <pax> GPSWillie sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list <-- take the (#) out of the universe and multiverse
[04:37] <pax> !find nvidia-settings
[04:37] <ubotu> nvidia-settings: (Tool of configuring the NVIDIA graphics driver), section restricted/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0-3ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 491 kB, Installed size: 1008 kB
[04:37] <pax> GPSWillie: check spelling too
[04:43] <GPSWillie> there is no "multiverse"
[04:44] <pax> forget it then, can be addressed later. if you installed nvidia-glx, move to sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[04:45] <GPSWillie> it didn't seem to do anything
[04:45] <GPSWillie> just gave me another prompt
[04:47] <pax> GPSWillie: what error you get when you startx
[04:47] <pax> and no it's not supposed to do anything other than activate the driver
[04:48] <GPSWillie> fatal server error: no screens found
[04:48] <pax> ouch
[04:48] <pax> that's all?
[04:49] <GPSWillie> SIS: no matching device found
[04:50] <equex> where is a good place to add startup commands in kde ?
[04:51] <pax> .kde/Autostart/
[04:51] <Zactivix> having trouble accessing my memory card, can anyone help?
[04:52] <equex> pax: so i can just put a .sh file there ?
[04:52] <pax> sure, and chmod it to execute at start up
[04:53] <equex> well thanks :)
[04:57] <bjv> ERROR!!! libXft2 is not installed or could not be found
[04:57] <bjv> &
[04:57] <bjv> apt-get install libxft2
[04:57] <bjv> Reading Package Lists... Done
[04:57] <bjv> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[04:57] <bjv> libxft2 is already the newest version.
[04:57] <bjv> :(((
[05:01] <pax> bjv: what are you trying to do?
[05:02] <bjv> oh, compile wm. i realized i should probably bug the #windowmaker people first though.
[05:03] <bjv> they seem to be not there though.
[05:03] <bjv> googles not much help either.
[05:07] <pax> !find libxft2-dev
[05:07] <bjv> !
[05:07] <ubotu> bjv: Are you smoking crack?
[05:07] <bjv> duh...
[05:07] <bjv> i must be
[05:07] <pax> try installing libxft-dev and see what gives
[05:07] <pax> !find libxft-dev
[05:08] <ubotu> libxft-dev: (FreeType-based font drawing library for X (development files)), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 2.1.2-6ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 57 kB, Installed size: 220 kB
[05:08] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'libxft2-dev' returned no results.
[05:08] <bjv> its libxft-dev
[05:08] <bjv> no '2', like pax said. :P
[05:09] <bjv> nm, i missed your first line.
[05:09] <bjv> jesus christ i am on crack. :((
[05:09] <supernix> Hi
[05:11] <equex> one more thing. i have a problem with my dvdrom. it used to work properly, now suddenly it cant read any DVD roms, though it CAN read normal CD's. It detects that i insert a DVD too, though i get "Malformed URL" from Konquerer if i try to access it. any idea ?
[05:11] <Zactivix> what's a good FTP client for Kubuntu?
[05:11] <pax> apt-cache search ftp | grep KDE
[05:12] <Zactivix> pax
[05:12] <Zactivix> type in that whole line in command?
[05:12] <pax> hehe
[05:12] <supernix> LOL I was curious about the same thing Zactivix
[05:12] <Zactivix> sry I'm Linux newb
[05:12] <supernix> I tried Gftp but it as best I can tell does not dynamically alter the uploads for ASCII and binary
[05:12] <pax> for ftp I simply use konqueror zac
[05:13] <bjv> i was about to say, im a newb and find konqueror and wget good enough..
[05:13] <pax> try kbear, if you can get it not to crash on you
[05:13] <Zactivix> pax...
[05:13] <Zactivix> I fucking hate konq
[05:13] <Zactivix> it crashes 1000000x
[05:13] <aseigo> ftp. how last century. =)
[05:13] <Zactivix> in one session
[05:14] <supernix> my experience has been that knoqueror always times out with anything but local disk transfers
[05:14] <aseigo> hell, i transfer things between two remote systems via konq on a regular basis =)
[05:15] <bjv> most crashes i see are because of my cheap, modified, substandard hardware.
[05:15] <bjv> :\
[05:15] <bjv> konq is stable though. :)
[05:15] <Zactivix> aseigo - sorry, man. Just telling you the issues I have :|
[05:15] <Zactivix> I wouldn't make it up
[05:16] <Zactivix> and I'm sure its something I'm fucking up
[05:16] <aseigo> Zactivix: when does it crash?
[05:16] <Zactivix> but I have friends that have similar issues
[05:16] <Zactivix> @ random.
[05:16] <Zactivix> at random.
[05:16] <Zactivix> opening new tabs
[05:16] <Zactivix> clicking a link
[05:16] <Zactivix> loading a page
[05:18] <aseigo> in the version that comes w/kubuntu?
[05:18] <equex> one more thing (only slightly kde related this time). i have a problem with my dvdrom. it used to work properly, now suddenly it cant read any DVD roms, though it CAN read normal CD's. It detects that i insert a DVD too, though i get "Malformed URL" from Konquerer if i try to access it. any idea ?
[05:19] <equex> oops i was gonna try that in #ubuntu
[05:23] <Zactivix> ciao
[05:24] <necrogami> .
[05:26] <supernix> does konqueror automatically adjust the ftp based on the content as in binary data is automatically uploaded as binary
[05:26] <supernix> ?
[05:45] <samuel> hey every one
[05:45] <samuel> i need some help
[05:46] <samuel> how can i re edit fstab as a root.
[05:46] <samuel> i want to mount vfat and a nfts HD
[05:46] <samuel> hello
[05:52] <TestMAD> is there a linux equivalent to pcanywhere?
[05:53] <samuel> helppp.
[05:53] <samuel> how about vnfree
[05:53] <samuel> help___________
[05:53] <samuel> any body
[05:54] <samuel> yeees nobody help here.
[05:59] <pax> TestMAD: you can use pcanywhere with wine, or check out UltraVNC
[06:00] <TestMAD> thnx pax.
[06:00] <samuel> why do you want to use pcanywhere?
[06:00] <samuel> if there is any other cool server.
[06:01] <TestMAD> just curious..i got a friend interested in using linux.. but he's going to lose a leg due to diabetes soon..and he's wanting to control his desktop pc from a crappy little laptop
[06:01] <samuel> any bosy can help
[06:01] <samuel> to edit fstab as root
[06:02] <arbir> is back with KDE yahooooooo!
[06:03] <arbir> has opend kde after 2 yrs
[06:03] <pax> samuel: this a script by seveas, try it: http://ninux.net/files/fstab
[06:04] <necrogami> http://www.tightvnc.com
[06:04] <necrogami> Great VNC works on windows and linux
[06:08] <sproingie> pax: that's the sort of really nifty script that should be included with a linux distro as a pointy-clicky wizard
[06:09] <pax> sproingie: what can I say, the guy is great indeed.
[06:10] <sproingie> pax: he rescued my dpkg list ... he's a god among men
[06:11] <sproingie> ubuntu's still irksome for some tasks that windows does seamlessly for me
[06:11] <_michael> how can I view my startup log
[06:11] <_michael> or is there even one?
[06:11] <sproingie> when i insert a blank cd, i get an icon, and nothing else. right-clicking it gives me no option like "burn cd"
[06:11] <sproingie> even after installing k3b
[06:12] <bwb> sproingie: i think devel versions already have some of those features
[06:12] <sproingie> _michael: dmesg
[06:12] <sproingie> bwb: i understand kde now has a popup when removable media is inserted. just like windows
[06:13] <sproingie> an unobtrusive desktop notification area would have been nice
[06:13] <molmol> TestMAD: VNC and the like are relatively slow, of course. Use "fish:" with Konqui!
[06:13] <bwb> sproingie: yeah I actually agree...
[06:13] <bwb> molmol: fish is awsomeness
[06:13] <bwb> sproingie: just give things time..... desktop linux is only starting to research maturity imo
[06:15] <bwb> and by that I mean it is already quite useful (and has been for years), but some finer details still need polishing
[06:20] <StR> hi all
[06:23] <aseigo> sproingie: well, unless we can guarantee the user has a systrem tray applet running and visible .....
[06:23] <aseigo> sproingie: and passive popups won't cut it
[06:24] <aseigo> sproingie: so for now it's the best we could do. we'll be fixing that with kde4, however, by providing such a guaranteed location on the desktop
[06:24] <sproingie> how's this guaranteed location thing work?
[06:25] <sproingie> like a "sticky area" where all the icons you drag stay, no matter what desktop you flip to
[06:25] <sproingie> 'course right now they all stay all the time
[06:26] <sproingie> which itself is kind of maddening
[06:26] <aseigo> sproingie: heh. yeah, we're fixing all that with plasma
[06:26] <sproingie> but my personal favorite idea of a "special area" would be a shared area. whatever you drag into that area is shared with everyone else in your "group"
[06:26] <sproingie> you define your group via some app like a buddy list
[06:27] <bwb> that would be pretty sleak
[06:28] <sproingie> i guess it would require being able to access the desktop tho
[06:28] <aseigo> sproingie: have you been reading #plasma? ;)
[06:28] <_frank> I had to resort to gnome-system-tools to setup my wireless network properly because the kcontrol modules would not make the settings premanent. Anyone else had this problem?
[06:28] <sproingie> and most people, me included, have the desktop pretty much covered up by app windows
[06:29] <sproingie> aseigo: i know virtually nothing about plasma other than that it's some next-gen kde thingamajiggie
[06:29] <aseigo> sproingie: the desktop covered by windows is solvable.
[06:29] <sproingie> actually, i can sort of sum up what i want in a desktop environment: groove. something just like groove. but built-in to everything.
[06:30] <sproingie> a desktop that had just 80% of groove's feature set would just annihilate every other desktop out there
[06:32] <Dhraakellian> when all the app windows are minimized, the only things visible other than the wallpaper are the panel-ish things
[06:32] <sproingie> me too. they have a tendency to creep in, since i use the desktop for "temporarily" placing some things
[06:33] <sproingie> of course temporary has this way of becoming permanent
[06:33] <Dhraakellian> heh
[06:33] <Dhraakellian> that's what ~/incoming gets used for here
[06:33] <sproingie> i have an incoming as well
[06:33] <Dhraakellian> for downloaded stuff, that is
[06:33] <sproingie> it's ~/Desktop/incoming
[06:33] <Dhraakellian> heh
[06:34] <sproingie> i have a ~/dl for that, and a link to it on my desktop
[06:34] <sproingie> that's actually a link i keep deliberateluy
[06:34] <sproingie> i haven't figured out how to bind the file manager to a key
[06:34] <sproingie> so that it opens the same window when i hit that key
[06:35] <Dhraakellian> instead of launching another?
[06:35] <sproingie> right
[06:50] <_michael> alright, I got all the errors put onto one html file. Can anybody tell me what's wrong? http://www.geocities.com/mtecknology/errors.html
[06:53] <_michael> im still new to linux, but I know enough to know that those are errors should not be there?
[06:54] <jpowers> looks like drive errors
[06:54] <jpowers> scratched CD, maybe?
[06:54] <_michael> they weren't there when I installed
[06:55] <jpowers> is hdc a cd drive?
[06:55] <_michael> no
[06:55] <_michael> its an HD
[06:55] <jpowers> ah
[06:56] <_michael> is there and equivilant to m$ scandisk?
[06:56] <_michael> o yea, i'm using kubuntu
[06:56] <jpowers> http://www.unixguide.net/linux/faq/09.20.shtml
[06:56] <Dhraakellian> _michael, btw, there various pastebins out there into which you can copy and paste
[06:56] <Dhraakellian> rafb.net/paste/ being one of them
[06:57] <_michael> ok, ty
[06:57] <_michael> i try to use em, but I always forget what they are
[06:57] <Dhraakellian> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/
[06:58] <jpowers> _michael: what fs are you using?
[06:58] <jpowers> _michael: e2fsck should be able to scan ext2/ext3 partitions
[06:58] <jpowers> oh, that's just fs stuff, that looks more like hardware issues
[06:59] <_michael> i know it's either reiserfs or ext3, i can't remember which I used on this one
[06:59] <jpowers> I'd back up any important data that you have on the drive
[06:59] <jpowers> if you don't do that already
[07:00] <_michael> yea, I backup every 3 days
[07:00] <jpowers> ok
[07:00] <jpowers> did you look at that link I posted?
[07:00] <_michael> yea
[07:02] <_michael> i checked the hard drive cable and it wasn't loose at all, but power failure could be the cause
[07:02] <_michael> make sense
[07:02] <jpowers> possibly
[07:02] <_michael> what command do I use for the /etc/fstab to view partition info?
[07:02] <jpowers> I started getting stuff like that in my logs before my last HD died
[07:02] <jpowers> _michael: I like qtparted
[07:02] <_michael> my HD is only 1 yr old
[07:03] <jpowers> mine was only 6 months
[07:03] <jpowers> :\
[07:03] <_michael> wow, I'm used to them lasting a couple years
[07:04] <_michael> i have some users on this puter though that seem to think shutting down mean holding the power switch
[07:04] <jpowers> gah
[07:05] <jpowers> terrible
[07:05] <_michael> yea, almoast makes me cry
[07:05] <_michael> :P
[07:06] <_michael> got an example of how to use e2fsck
[07:06] <_ray_> anybody know when the new americas army comes out?
[07:08] <jpowers> _michael: no
[07:09] <ICXCNIKA> Do you have to have the Ubuntu CD to load Kubuntu?
[07:10] <_michael> not now
[07:10] <_michael> i can get it tommorow
[07:12] <_michael> WARNING!!! Running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause
[07:12] <_michael> SEVERE filesystem damage.
[07:12] <_michael> do I need to worry bad?
[07:12] <_michael> or should I just close everything and let it run?
[07:13] <qbit> hrmmumphhh! I upgrqaded from KDE 3.4.0 to 3.4.2 last night and just had to press the reset button to reboot to get the system back
[07:13] <jpowers> I would probably run it from a rescue disk instead.
[07:13] <jpowers> I run it scheduled on boot before mounting, I think.
[07:13] <qbit> was reading a pdf in kpdf and konqueror and it filled up the swap and just ran away....
[07:14] <_michael> how do I do that/
[07:14] <_michael> ?*
[07:17] <Kovecses> i had no problems with 3.4.2
[07:17] <Kovecses> works better than ever
[07:17] <_michael> k, ty for all the help
[07:17] <_michael> 342 cam with some nice bug fixes :)
[07:18] <Kovecses> does kubuntu come with kpdf?
[07:21] <pax> !find kpdf
[07:21] <ubotu> kpdf: (PDF viewer for KDE), section graphics, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3 (hoary), Packaged size: 597 kB, Installed size: 1796 kB
[07:22] <pax> indeed.
[07:22] <Kovecses> thanks pax
[07:49] <ray_> this might sound dumb but how do i change the kde menu icon?
[07:51] <nmorse> You have to physically replace it in the icons directory AFAIK
[07:51] <nmorse> It used to be labeled go
[07:51] <Dhraakellian> ray_, you could change the icon set in kcontrol > Appearance & Themes > Icons
[07:52] <ray_> Dhraakellian: ok.....i will try that
[07:52] <Dhraakellian> ray_, that changes your entire icon set though
[07:52] <ray_> Dhraakellian: well thats ok.......i only have one choice
[07:53] <ray_> Dhraakellian: i have to download more
[07:53] <Dhraakellian> if you just want to change the kmenu icon, you'd have to do what nmorse said
[07:53] <Dhraakellian> ray_, kde-look.org is a great place to look
[07:53] <Dhraakellian> I also wouldn't be suprised if there weren't a few that could be installed via apt
[07:54] <ray_> nmorse: ok.....AFAIK....what file?
[07:55] <ray_> nmorse: no folder of that name
[07:55] <nmorse> It's in /usr/share/icons/default.kde somewhere
[07:55] <nmorse> I'm looking for the exact icon
[07:56] <nmorse> kmenu.png
[07:56] <nmorse> I knew they renamed it.
[08:00] <ray_> usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/kmenu.png
[08:01] <ray_> nope aint the one
[08:02] <ray_> well im off to bed
[08:03] <loren> what's happening to Ubuntu?
[08:03] <weirdcreep> can someon help me setup up my webcam
[08:04] <loren> i've never done it sorry, there might be someone that has though
[08:05] <zorba64> loren, why, what is happening?
[08:06] <loren> zorba64: on the site www.ubuntu.org and on LQ Radio it said Ubuntu was undergoing changes
[08:06] <loren> zorba64: according to my understanding of what i was hearing and seeing a site on ubuntu.org i've never seen before
[08:08] <zorba64> loren, try here http://www.ubuntulinux.org for the "linux" ubuntu
[08:33] <ray_> did anyone get vcdimager to work?
[08:35] <ray_> Devices
[08:35] <ray_> -----------------------
[08:35] <ray_> HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4163B A103 (/dev/hda, ) at /media/cdrom0 [CD-R; CD-RW; CD-ROM; DVD-ROM; DVD-RAM; DVD-R; DVD-RW; DVD+R; DVD+RW] [DVD-ROM; DVD-R Sequential; DVD-RAM; DVD-RW Restricted Overwrite; DVD-RW Sequential; DVD+RW; DVD+R; DVD+R Double Layer; CD-ROM; CD-R; CD-RW] [SAO; TAO; RAW; SAO/R16; RAW/R96P; RAW/R96R]
[08:35] <ray_> K3bVcdXml:
[08:35] <ray_> -----------------------
[08:35] <ray_> <?xml version="1.0"?>
[08:35] <ray_> oops sorry
[08:41] <pc19> im new to kubuntu. how do i access root? how do i put root password?
[08:42] <pc19> hello?
[08:43] <JeffAMcGee> ubuntu does not have a root user. Instead, you use sudo to run commands with root privileges.
[08:47] <JeffAMcGee> there's more information about sudo at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[08:48] <_jon> does anyone know how to increase the power of your wifi adapter past that of the limitations placed by the fcc?
[08:49] <pax> !find kxdocker
[08:50] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'kxdocker' returned no results.
[08:50] <pax> slow!
[08:52] <_jon> so i guess not??
[09:06] <ray_> anybody know how i can install the koffice filters?
[09:10] <pc19> hwo do i aptget java
[09:10] <ray_> pc19: you cant now
[09:11] <pc19> why not??
[09:11] <ray_> pc19: they took it out of backports
[09:12] <pc19> will it be back?
[09:12] <weirdcreep> how do i get svn
[09:12] <ray_> pc19: sun wants you to read the disclaimer so you have to get it from them
[09:13] <pc19> i got them in targz
[09:13] <pc19> i dont know how to install
[09:13] <ray_> but you can install java-package do a fakeroot java-pakage (name of java file) then it will create a deb file
[09:14] <ray_> u get that?
[09:16] <ray_> tar?
[09:16] <ray_> no they come in .bin format
[09:16] <pc19> i saw the bin file already\
[09:16] <ray_> did you apt-get java-package
[09:16] <pc19> no
[09:16] <pc19> just download it from the website\
[09:16] <ray_> NOOOOOOOOOOOO
[09:16] <pc19> what do i do?
[09:16] <ray_> apt it
[09:17] <pc19> but u said it s not available
[09:17] <ray_> java isnt you need java-package to install java
[09:17] <ray_> do you know how to install a .deb file?
[09:17] <pc19> no
[09:18] <pc19> so can u do step by step
[09:18] <pc19> im sorry im a noob
[09:18] <ray_> yeah...do you have the java.bin file
[09:18] <weirdcreep> its ok pc19
[09:19] <pc19> yeah
[09:19] <ray_> ok
[09:19] <ray_> do you have multiverse in your apt list?
[09:19] <pc19> how do i know
[09:19] <ray_> ok then you dont
[09:19] <ray_> open konsole
[09:20] <pc19> ok
[09:20] <ray_> do a sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:20] <ICXCNIKA> Gosh I wish the company that supports Kubuntu wasn't all the way out in the Isle of Man
[09:21] <pc19> and?
[09:21] <ray_> add these lines at the bottom
[09:21] <ray_> #deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[09:21] <ray_> #deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[09:21] <ray_> but take out the #
[09:23] <ray_> u do it?
[09:23] <pc19> yes done
[09:24] <ray_> ok and now add
[09:24] <ray_> #deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[09:24] <ray_> #deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[09:24] <ray_> without the #
[09:25] <ray_> just copy and paste bro
[09:26] <ray_> u got that in there?
[09:27] <pc19> yes done
[09:27] <ray_> ok
[09:27] <ray_> now hit Ctrl X
[09:28] <ray_> save it
[09:28] <pc19> now?
[09:28] <ray_> sudo apt-get update
[09:29] <pc19> cool
[09:29] <ray_> now sudo apt-get install java-package
[09:29] <pc19> wow youre the greatest
[09:30] <ray_> ok now
[09:30] <ray_> you have to do a
[09:30] <pc19> what
[09:31] <ray_> fakeroot java-package THENAMEOFYOURJAVA.BIN file
[09:31] <ray_> like the name of the file you downloaded
[09:32] <ray_> does this make any sense
[09:33] <pc19> c19@up2zion:~$ fakeroot java-package jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin
[09:33] <pc19> /usr/bin/fakeroot: line 150: java-package: command not found
[09:34] <ray_> just type in java-package see what happens
[09:35] <ray_> ohh im stupid
[09:35] <ray_> its
[09:35] <ray_> fakeroot make-jpkg THENAMEOFYOURJAVA.BIN file
[09:37] <ray_> sorry man
[09:37] <ray_> im drunk
[09:37] <ray_> u still there
[09:38] <ray_> ?
[09:38] <ray_> ubotu: whats up?
[09:38] <ubotu> ray_: Are you smoking crack?
[09:38] <ray_> ubotu: yes
[09:38] <ubotu> Yes, yes! Yes indeed. Who would have thought it, eh, ray_?
[09:39] <ray_> ubotu: do you want to fight?
[09:39] <ubotu> ray_: Are you smoking crack?
[09:39] <ray_> ubotu: kde
[09:39] <ray_> ubotu: koffice
[09:39] <ubotu> ray_: I give up, what is it?
[09:39] <ray_> ubotu: 686
[09:39] <ubotu> ray_: I don't know, could you explain it?
[09:40] <ray_> ubotu: bot
[09:40] <ubotu> Indeed, that is what I am.
[09:40] <ray_> ubotu: your cool
[09:40] <ubotu> ray_: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[09:40] <ray_> ubotu: repos
[09:40] <ubotu> repos is, like, at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[09:40] <ray_> ubotu: thank you
[09:40] <ubotu> ray_: pas de quoi
[09:41] <ray_> !find snes9express
[09:41] <ubotu> snes9express: (GTK+ front-end for snes9x), section multiverse/otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1.42-2 (hoary), Packaged size: 393 kB, Installed size: 820 kB
[09:41] <ray_> !find znes
[09:43] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'znes' returned no results.
[09:43] <ray_> !find zsnes
[09:43] <ubotu> zsnes: (Emulator of the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (TM)), section multiverse/otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1.360-2 (hoary), Packaged size: 457 kB, Installed size: 2752 kB
[09:44] <ray_> ubotu: thank you
[09:44] <ubotu> ray_: no worries
[09:49] <pc19> sorry ifall asleep
[09:49] <hussam> I might change monitors sometime this summer. how do I reconfigure X.conf for the new monitor? ( current one is detected correctly )
[09:50] <hussam> or is reconfigured automatically on reboot ?
[10:00] <hussam> I'll ask in #ubuntu
[10:06] <federicol> Ciao a tutti
[10:17] <McScruff> lo
[10:17] <McScruff> checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp
[10:17] <McScruff> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[10:17] <McScruff> See `config.log' for more details.
[10:18] <McScruff> does anyone know how to fix this
[10:27] <hussam> Anybody knows how to automatically reconfigure xorg.conf if I get a new monitor?
[10:27] <luminerd> is there an ubuntu that comes with kde and gnome, maybe even others?
[10:39] <pax> sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[10:39] <pax> wrong window
[10:57] <insanekane> Riddell: does media:/ work for you in Breezy ?
[10:58] <nikkia_test> ignore me, just testing something :)
[11:57] <mcscruff> .
[12:14] <jpatrick> hey
[12:14] <jpatrick> how do I delete a file via the command line?
[12:14] <fromoze> rm nameofthefile
[12:15] <jpatrick> :)
[01:40] <granbar> Hey there. I've got a problem when booting the Live CD. It says that something respawns too fast. Does anybody know why?
[01:40] <ztonzy> granbar: no but I get same issue...tried to reburn my cd-rw 3 times, no luck
[01:41] <granbar> ztonzy: Did it seems like X failed to start in your case as well?
[01:42] <ztonzy> it never started either
[01:43] <ztonzy> I have given up on that live cd
[01:46] <granbar> ztonzy: Is it just that particular Live CD, or all Live CDs from Kubuntu there are problems with?
[02:34] <ma3x> what is the best linux distribution?
[02:34] <granbar> www.linux.org
[02:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol what sort of question is that?
[02:41] <P3L|C4N0> ma3x, GNU/Linux is GNU/Linux, the selection of a distribution is a personal selection
[02:42] <ma3x> I meant what is your personal choice, debian, suse, slackware, ubuntu.. ?
[02:47] <_JakubS> ... mandrake, ark, yoper, ...
[02:50] <P3L|C4N0> xD
[02:51] <pax> ma3x: http://distrowatch.com <-- Ubuntu numero uno
[02:52] <P3L|C4N0> obvious Ubuntu!!!
[02:52] <Chameleon22> i use Logitech Elite keyboard with all them funky buttons for controlling audio, and chat, and blah blah blah ... are there any apps I could use to map those keys to the system like hotkeys or something ....?
[02:53] <pax> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultimediaKeys
[03:22] <mcscruff> can anyone help me compile amarok
[03:23] <pax> I have a multimedia keyboard I use the multimedia buttons by having the kde
[03:24] <pax> keyboard tool running in the background. To set this up open the control
[03:24] <pax> center and go to the regional and Accessibilty menu then to Keyboard layout.
[03:24] <pax> Enter the country that you come from and the model of your keyboard. (you may
[03:24] <pax> have to guess the model or use a differant model) apply this then see if you
[03:24] <pax> can set any of the multimedia buttons in any of the standard shortcut
[03:24] <pax> dialogs.
[03:24] <pax> ugh
[03:32] <jpatrick> mcscruff: get it via apt
[03:33] <jpatrick> it's in universe :-/
[03:33] <mcscruff> beta :)
[03:34] <jpatrick> :P
[03:34] <mcscruff> i needed to install xine framework
[03:35] <granbar> Hey
[03:35] <jpatrick> hi
[03:35] <granbar> is there a kubuntu net-install cd?
[03:35] <thoreauputic> mcscruff: actually amarok can also use the gstreamer engine
[03:35] <jpatrick> no
[03:35] <granbar> okay
[03:35] <jpatrick> it's only one CD
[03:35] <granbar> The live cd?
[03:35] <jpatrick> yes
[03:36] <granbar> Okay
[03:36] <granbar> It gives me a hard time, but I'll keep trying
[03:36] <jpatrick> :)
[03:36] <granbar> I got a "respawning too fast" error on one of my computers
[03:36] <granbar> the other one just didn't want to boot from it
[03:37] <jpatrick> did you burn as image?
[03:37] <granbar> sure
[03:37] <jpatrick> :-/
[03:37] <granbar> It boots on two of my computers
[03:37] <granbar> but not the third :)
[03:37] <jpatrick> they using the same processor?
[03:38] <granbar> Nah
[03:38] <paines> hi
[03:38] <granbar> I just tested if the third computer boots debian cd, and it does.
[03:38] <granbar> hi, paines
[03:38] <mcscruff> hi
[03:45] <martinjh99> What is the companion developer package for ImageMagick??
[03:46] <McScruff> help, my pc just shutdown because it hit the critical temperature, where can i chang this
[03:46] <McScruff> *change
[03:48] <paines> int the bios ?!?!
[03:48] <McScruff> no
[03:49] <McScruff> this is software :)
[03:49] <McScruff> kubunto horay hit critical tempereature shutting down
[03:49] <paines> are you using ksensors ?
[03:50] <McScruff> nope
[03:50] <paines> hmm
[03:51] <McScruff> miht be a new kde feature
[03:54] <paines> nrezzy any usable atm ?
[03:54] <paines> b
[03:54] <paines> or better not ?
[03:55] <thoreauputic> paines: X is still broken
[03:56] <paines> thoreauputic, :-(
[04:05] <nikkia> hmmm
[04:05] <nikkia> anyone seen the 'apple mighty mouse' yet ?
[04:06] <McScruff> where can i find the ACPI stuff?
[04:18] <thoreauputic> nikkia: heh - does it have more than one button ?
[04:21] <Chameleon22> are there any utilities to show me keycode for my keyboard when i press them ?
[04:35] <nikkia> thoreauputic: it has no buttons
[04:36] <nikkia> thoreauputic: just a 4-position touch sensor
[04:36] <thoreauputic> nikkia: ah! interesting
[04:36] <nikkia> oh, and side touch sensors, so you can 'squeeze' it
[04:36] <thoreauputic> sounds cool ...
[04:43] <kozz> Chameleon22: xev
[05:07] <McScruff> how can i install uudeview.h?
[05:08] <jpatrick> what's that?
[05:08] <jpatrick> apart from a header file
[05:09] <McScruff> no idea
[05:09] <McScruff> klibido needs it
[05:09] <nikkia> its part of uudeview :P
[05:09] <McScruff> i installed uudeview
[05:09] <McScruff> but no.h
[05:09] <jpatrick> :S odd
[05:09] <McScruff> checking uudeview.h usability... no
[05:09] <McScruff> checking uudeview.h presence... no
[05:09] <McScruff> checking for uudeview.h... no
[05:09] <McScruff> configure: error: Error: uudeview.h not found!
[05:10] <AnHu> Today, I tested the actual kubuntu breezy unstable version, but after installing the base system and rebooting, aptitude shows a error message. There are actual kubuntu breezy live cds. I only saw an amd64 version on the server
[05:10] <McScruff> i cant remember how i installed it before
[05:11] <jpatrick> try: sudo apt-get remove uudeview
[05:11] <jpatrick> then install it but abort and install ALL suggested packages
[05:12] <McScruff> or, maybe i should follow the instructions on klibido page (feeling stupid now)
[05:12] <jpatrick> :P
[05:14] <jjesse> quick question: everytime i start up kontact it says another version is running, but i don't see it open how can i kill that version of kontact that is running?
[05:15] <hussam> jjesse: killall kontact
[05:16] <hussam> run that in terminal
[05:16] <jjesse> no process killed
[05:16] <hussam> then it's not running weird
[05:18] <AnHu> jjesse: perhaps you can find out what error it's really when you start kontact in terminal
[05:18] <jjesse> no additonal information from when i start it in the terminal
[05:19] <jjesse> receive a window "Warning - Kontact" Kontact already seems to be running on another display on this machine"
[05:19] <jjesse> nothing shows in the process table eiteher
[05:27] <AnHu> jjesse: perhaps apt-get remove --purge helps
[05:28] <jpatrick> is kde-look.org down?
[05:29] <jpatrick> keeps saying 'Timeout on server'
[05:30] <jpatrick> :-/
[05:31] <jpatrick> ...anyone...
[05:31] <jpatrick> _o/
[05:36] <laser_tk> yup, it's down
[05:37] <jpatrick> :( damn
[05:37] <jpatrick> Crystal Clear has no Firefox icon
[05:38] <equex> i cannot find the package kdelibs-doc anywhere, and kdevelop depends on it... (for documentation) where do i find it ?
[05:38] <jpatrick> apt-get install kdelibs-doc ?
[05:39] <equex> seems there is no packeage by that name,.
[05:39] <jpatrick> :-/
[05:39] <jpatrick> kdevelop?
[05:39] <equex> yes
[05:39] <jpatrick> try: sudo apt-get install kdevelop3
[05:40] <coolblue> backports repo not working:HELP!!
[05:40] <equex> yeah i can try that.. but kdevelop3 gave me dep problems with other apps later
[05:40] <jpatrick> have you done apt-get update?
[05:41] <equex> yes i did that yesterday and it remover kdevelop3 automatically
[05:41] <equex> so i installed the defauly kdevelop
[05:41] <jpatrick> the default kdevelop isn't as good
[05:41] <equex> default*
[05:42] <equex> might be.. i can give v3 another try,,
[05:45] <equex> yeah taht did the trick apparently
[05:45] <equex> it even restored my last kdev3 session properly
[05:45] <jpatrick> :D
[05:46] <equex> been using linux for 2 weeks, still a little rough on me hehe
[05:46] <jpatrick> I've been using it for 2 months
[05:46] <jpatrick> more or les
[05:47] <equex> been trying before, first linux i tried was redhat 7.1 i think, but there was too much hassle back then :p
[05:47] <equex> then i tried knoppix again lately and really liked it
[05:47] <AnHu> redhat *ugly*
[05:47] <jpatrick> redhat sucks
[05:48] <granbar> be nice with redhat
[05:48] <equex> yeah redhat was the first "linux to the masses" distro
[05:48] <jpatrick> costs money
[05:49] <equex> atleast for me, as a windows user, redhat was what you heard about all the time
[05:49] <equex> what i heard about*
[06:07] <lscd> Is there any reason that no one is seeding the newest kubuntu dvd for ppc?
[06:07] <lscd> only ~72% of it's available, making it a bit useless atm :/
[06:15] <nikkia> oh christ, now xs26 can't even be resolved...
[06:53] <ray_> does anybody know where i can get the koffice filters?
[06:53] <PieD> ray_: what filters ?
[06:54] <PieD> I think Koffice is provided with all the available filters on kubuntu
[06:54] <ray_> PieD: so it can open and save to word files.....does it come with them?
[06:54] <gingermark> Hi there. I'm looking to wipe a separate hard drive and format it to fat32. Can anyone recommend an idiot proof program with a nice shiny GUI to do this?
[06:55] <PieD> ray_: on my computer they were provided with koffice
[06:55] <ray_> PieD: let me check
[06:55] <PieD> but only import for word files
[06:55] <PieD> no export filter available
[06:56] <ray_> gingermark: konqueror will do that for you
[06:56] <gingermark> Really?
[06:56] <gingermark> cool
[06:56] <gingermark> ok, thanks a lot
[06:57] <ray_> PieD: yeah i have the filters.......all i had to do was look
[06:58] <PieD> but remember that currently (on the 1.3 serie) the only really working filters are the filters for KOffice formats
[06:58] <PieD> on the 1.4, the opendocument filters are not perfect
[06:58] <PieD> but with each release, they're improving them
[06:58] <ray_> well.....im gonna stick with openoffice
[07:00] <PieD> ray_: koffice 2.0 will be far better
[07:01] <PieD> but it'll be released with KDE 4
[07:01] <ray_> PieD: really I will try again then...........i heard KDE 4 was gonna be like the all time greatest
[07:02] <PieD> ray_: before KDE 4, the KDE developers (the same apply for Gnome developers) was limited in their eye-candy work
[07:02] <PieD> because of the X server and its lack of possibilities
[07:03] <ray_> PieD: oh really.....xorg has done great things
[07:03] <PieD> KDE 4 will use Qt4, and Qt4 is abusing of Render
[07:03] <PieD> ray_: Xorg is new !
[07:03] <ray_> PieD: i like xorg
[07:03] <PieD> and some parts of Xorg are horrible currently
[07:03] <PieD> ray_: I like it too
[07:03] <buz> is there a chance we'll get working composite in R7 in sept?
[07:04] <PieD> composite is working
[07:04] <buz> not really
[07:04] <buz> crashing is more likely
[07:04] <PieD> translucent windows aren't
[07:04] <ray_> how can i get my openoffice to use kde themes?
[07:04] <PieD> I think some issues are mixed together
[07:04] <PieD> Render is horrible because most drivers don't accelerate it
[07:05] <PieD> and its software rendering is slow
[07:05] <PieD> but composite can work without render
[07:05] <nmorse> Render is getting hardware acceleration soon
[07:05] <PieD> nmorse: yes
[07:05] <PieD> thanks (indirectly) to qt4 ?
[07:06] <nmorse> I have no idea why.
[07:06] <PieD> you can notice that EXA, the new X acceleration architecture for the next Xorg, which will allow render acceleration, is developed by Zack
[07:06] <PieD> Zack Rusin
[07:06] <nmorse> I just remember the developer post on the mailing list.
[07:06] <PieD> and he is a TrollTech developer, paid to work on the X server
[07:06] <PieD> since Qt4 is using render, they want render to be faster than currently
[07:07] <buz> everybody wants X to be faster
[07:07] <buz> X is really one of the biggest issues in desktop linux
[07:07] <PieD> I think it isn't : it was
[07:07] <PieD> XFree was the problem
[07:07] <PieD> thanks to Xorg, the X servers are evolving
[07:08] <PieD> I think that in one year or two, XGl will be ready
[07:08] <buz> i want xgl so bad
[07:10] <nmorse> I really just want X.org to make a release on all architectures Debian supports
[07:10] <gingermark> Ok, shouldn't have run off so fast :-) Can anyone tell me how to partition a disk using Konqueror please?
[07:10] <nmorse> Isn't it only on PPC and X86 right now?
[07:12] <wellso> hi ppl
[07:13] <PieD> gingermark: partition using konqueror ?
[07:13] <ray_> gingermark: i thought you said erase not partition
[07:13] <gingermark> Sorry
[07:13] <gingermark> Yes, erase and then format in fat32
[07:13] <ray_> ahhh
[07:13] <buz> install qtparted
[07:14] <ray_> yup qtparted
[07:14] <gingermark> Does that have a shiny gui? :-)
[07:16] <buz> yes
[07:17] <gingermark> fantastic, thanks guys
[07:24] <ray_> i heard kde4 was supposed to be really fast
[07:24] <PieD> ray_: thanks to Qt4, it'll probably be faster
[07:25] <PieD> and there will be some big "refactoring" in the core of KDE
[07:25] <PieD> for instance currently, the taskbar are handled by kicker while kdesktop manage the background
[07:25] <ray_> right
[07:25] <PieD> in KDE4, kicker + kdesktop + superkaramba will be merged into Plasma
[07:26] <ray_> ooo nice
[07:26] <jpatrick> yeah
[07:26] <PieD> off course, it'll use the new Qt4 painting engine (Arthur)
[07:26] <jpatrick> http://plasma.kde.org/cms/1033
[07:26] <PieD> allowing translucency everywhere, rounded everything and so on
[07:26] <nmorse> PieD: try E17 yet?
[07:27] <PieD> nmorse: E17 is far from that
[07:27] <nmorse> It all works on one canvasing engine
[07:27] <ghost^|patrick> hi
[07:27] <ghost^|patrick> i have a serious problem with the bootup
[07:27] <ghost^|patrick> suddenly there appeared a passwort reqiest
[07:27] <PieD> is E17 using vectorial graphics yet ?
[07:27] <ghost^|patrick> but no passwort is accepted
[07:27] <ghost^|patrick> neither any of my user ideas
[07:28] <ghost^|patrick> i cant do nothing with that system
[07:28] <ghost^|patrick> any idea whats wrong?
[07:28] <PieD> when is the password required ?
[07:28] <PieD> after the kernel is loaded ?
[07:28] <PieD> after the system services are started ?
[07:29] <nmorse> I don't know which kind of graphics it uses to render everything actually.
[07:29] <PieD> nmorse: I can answer you : they're using pixmaps everywhere
[07:29] <PieD> for instance, their clock
[07:29] <ghost^|patrick> i dont know...
[07:29] <ghost^|patrick> its the boot up
[07:29] <PieD> do you think it's dynamically drawn ? No
[07:29] <ghost^|patrick> and somethin glike tty1 is requested
[07:29] <PieD> ghost^|patrick: when exactly ? Without that information, I can't help you
[07:30] <PieD> is it asked in a graphical way ?
[07:30] <PieD> is it after the OS selection menu ?
[07:31] <ghost^|patrick> its not a bios password
[07:31] <ghost^|patrick> i choose the linux kernel
[07:31] <ghost^|patrick> then harddiscs are loaded
[07:31] <ghost^|patrick> then it stucks and asks for agamemenon@root ttby
[07:31] <ghost^|patrick> tty1
[07:31] <ghost^|patrick> then i have to press enter
[07:31] <PieD> nmorse: for their clock, they have one picture for each needle
[07:31] <ghost^|patrick> a new line appears:
[07:32] <ghost^|patrick> 1. user id
[07:32] <ghost^|patrick> 2. pass
[07:32] <PieD> agamemenon ? Is that your computer name ?
[07:32] <ghost^|patrick> ya
[07:37] <ray_> ghost^|patrick: sounds like a reinstall is in order
[07:38] <ghost^|patrick> no.5 then :(
[07:38] <ray_> when i unmount a floppy the damn icon stays on my desktop
[07:38] <ghost^|patrick> but first i have to figure out, why the dump system freezed suddenly
[07:39] <ghost^|patrick> and produced this issue now :(
[07:39] <ray_> ghost^|patrick: did you do anything before this happened
[07:39] <PieD> last time I saw something like that screen, it was because of a hard drive failure
[07:39] <ghost^|patrick> i installed ati driver with synaptic and reconfigurated X Server to laod fglrx-driver instead of the ATI Mesa driver
[07:39] <ghost^|patrick> 3hours it worked
[07:40] <ghost^|patrick> then i got into the kde's appearence settings and tried to watch OGL screensaver
[07:40] <Martin> Hi, I have a problem with gamin's gam_server taking over 90% cpu.
[07:40] <ghost^|patrick> then the system suddenly freezed
[07:40] <Martin> been looking for hours. no solutions yet.
[07:47] <ray_> TestMAD: sup test
[07:48] <TestMAD> not much
[07:48] <TestMAD> got a friend that wants to install nix on a really old thinkpad
[07:48] <TestMAD> like a p233
[07:48] <TestMAD> with 128 mb ram
[07:48] <ray_> TestMAD: oh yeah
[07:48] <ray_> TestMAD: use debian
[07:48] <TestMAD> i was thinking of a base install of kubuntu with fluxbox
[07:49] <ray_> TestMAD: or icewm
[07:49] <ray_> TestMAD: of xfcec
[07:49] <ray_> TestMAD: *xfce
[07:49] <TestMAD> but if i do a base install..will it still install konq and konversation?
[07:49] <ray_> no
[07:49] <TestMAD> ok.
[07:50] <ray_> u will want to install xchat and rox or something on his pc
[07:50] <PieD> TestMAD: on such a computer, you should forget Xorg and consider another tinyer X server
[07:51] <TestMAD> well..he really wants the full kubuntu on there..but i told him that would be kind of a bad idea..
[07:51] <ray_> yeah thats why I would use debian
[07:51] <TestMAD> PieD: what would you suggest?
[07:51] <PieD> TinyX
[07:52] <TestMAD> will the kubuntu livecd work with an ati all in wonder card out of the box?
[07:52] <ray_> TestMAD: damn small linux is pretty good
[07:52] <TestMAD> he used dsl before..he wants somethnig a little more dumbed down
[07:52] <ray_> TestMAD: no harm in trying that livecd
[07:53] <TestMAD> well hje's thniking of installing onto a few pc's too..but they're all nvidia and ati machines.
[07:53] <TestMAD> i know that the livecd doesnt work out the box on nvidia cards..but not sure on ati
[07:54] <ray_> TestMAD: mine worked and i have ati
[07:54] <TestMAD> ok..
[07:54] <ray_> TestMAD: but i had to set up 3d accel
[07:54] <TestMAD> no need to install drivers or anything?
[07:54] <PieD> it worked out of the box for nvidia too, but no 3D acceleration
[07:54] <ray_> if you want 3d
[07:54] <TestMAD> ok..well..he wont need 3d on them
[07:54] <TestMAD> umm..i tried the livecd and i got 6800gt and it didnt werk
[07:54] <TestMAD> i had to drop out to console and install the drivers for it to work
[07:55] <equex> i seem to have lost the ability to add additional keyboard layouts. only english is available.. how come? i had it set up to switch between two layouts, then it broke when i upgraded kde to 3.4.2 :(
[07:55] <equex> seems it doesnt understand what keyboard i have,even
[07:55] <equex> (104 generic)
[07:56] <ray_> equex: i have 3.4.2 and i still can get multiple...hmmmmm
[07:56] <equex> how could i make kde redetect my keyboard ?
[07:57] <equex> maybe i broke it in another way.. its a relatively fresh install and needs lots of config :)
[08:26] <jjesse> grumble grumble still having problems w/ kontact even did a reboot :(
[08:27] <Kovecses> how do i get things to start when kde starts?
[08:35] <paines> hi
[08:36] <jpatrick> hu
[08:36] <jpatrick> hi*
[08:36] <paines> i saw an photo of a guy wearing a kubuntu t-shirt
[08:36] <paines> any idea wher eto get these ?
[08:36] <jpatrick> I'd like to know that
[08:36] <jpatrick> eBay
[08:37] <paines> only cd's / dvd's
[08:37] <paines> no shirts
[08:37] <buz> what does a kubuntu shirt look like
[08:38] <paines> well, the one i saw was blue and hat the kubuntu logo big on it
[08:38] <paines> looked very nice
[08:41] <jjesse> ls
[08:41] <jjesse> sorry bout that wrong window :)
[08:43] <paines> oh, it was an ubuntu shirt -> http://jriddell.org/photos/2005-07-12-paul-kubuntu.jpg, but imagine this one in blue with an k in front
[08:43] <paines> would be damn sexy
[08:46] <kal|Sleep> hmm
[08:52] <Skaag> is there a uk.* archive for ubuntu?
[08:52] <Skaag> (mirror of us.*)
[08:53] <jpatrick> yes
[08:53] <jpatrick> it's gb.*
[08:54] <jpatrick> as in GREAT Britain
[08:59] <jatos> hi
[09:01] <jpatrick> hi jatos
[09:02] <buz> is there a way to put katepart syntax files inside my homedir instead of /usr/share/apps/katepart/syntax
[09:02] <jatos> anyone know about samba here?
[09:02] <paines> jatos: a bit
[09:03] <paines> depends on the question
[09:03] <jatos> how the f*** do I get it share a directory in such a way 98 can get at it, please excuse the lanquage...
[09:04] <paines> well, this is fpr evry windows version the same, iirc
[09:04] <paines> for
[09:06] <jpatrick> samba
[09:06] <buz> jatos: as opposed to what?
[09:06] <Skaag> is there a graphical tool for sharing folders via samba?
[09:06] <buz> google for samba encrypted password springs to mind
[09:06] <buz> Skaag: i think there might be in kcontrol
[09:06] <buz> else there's always SWAT
[09:06] <buz> samba web admintool
[09:06] <Skaag> cool, will check
[09:07] <jatos> I have that graphical tool in KDE, ain't getting me very far
[09:07] <jatos> also buz, if this of any help I set my system to share level access
[09:08] <buz> mhh i always did it more trial and error than anything else
[09:08] <jatos> allow root and jamie users access to the share \home\jamie
[09:08] <buz> usually it would eventuall use
[09:08] <buz> work
[09:08] <jatos> yeah I tryed everything Ican and no success
[09:09] <qbit> also you might need the same user account and password combo and on the linux samba box there should be a utility called smbpasswd that will add the *nix user account to samba
[09:09] <qbit> I've only used samba on freebsd and configured it manually by editing smb.conf
[09:10] <jatos> kk
[09:10] <jatos> kk
[09:10] <qbit> in inetd.conf you can put a line in for swat - on linux I don't know if it's in there by default
[09:10] <buz> well config would be the same of course
[09:10] <jatos> right if I honest, I don't have a clue with smb.conf
[09:10] <qbit> but then you can access swat at localhost:901
[09:10] <buz> its kinda black magic
[09:11] <qbit> yeah - like I said I've never used it on Linux, only FreeBSD
[09:11] <buz> there was also a version of XP that stubbornly refused to work with samba at a time
[09:11] <buz> no swat's not in inetd.conf
[09:11] <qbit> upgrade to 3.0.14 or newer fixed that
[09:11] <buz> but it's surely document around the net
[09:11] <buz> well i don't care anymore these days
[09:12] <buz> as there are no windows hosts in my land
[09:12] <buz> aah that'd be nice
[09:12] <jatos> qbit, do you have an smb.conf that shares the home directorys, if would you be able to give me a copy, either via email or by uploading it to my FTP site
[09:12] <buz> i meant to write lan
[09:12] <buz> jatos: look at the comments in the smb.conf
[09:12] <buz> theres a facility that will share home dirs automatically
[09:13] <jatos> I have
[09:14] <jatos> you know one day I will get this working and the problem will prolly be something stupidly simple
[09:14] <qbit> http://pastebin.com/327776 <= example from the 'bsd server here
[09:15] <jatos> [global]
[09:15] <jatos> restrict anonymous = no
[09:15] <jatos> domain master = no
[09:15] <jatos> preferred master = no
[09:15] <jatos> max protocol = NT
[09:15] <jatos> ldap ssl = No
[09:15] <jatos> server signing = Auto
[09:15] <jatos> case sensitive = no
[09:15] <jatos> msdfs proxy = no
[09:15] <jatos> unix password sync = yes
[09:15] <jatos> map to guest = Bad User
[09:15] <jatos> guest account = bin
[09:15] <jatos> guest ok = yes
[09:15] <jatos> client ntlmv2 auth = yes
[09:15] <jatos> encrypt passwords = no
[09:15] <jatos> security = share
[09:15] <jatos> [homes]
[09:15] <jatos> read only = no
[09:15] <jatos> valid users = root,jamie
[09:15] <jatos> admin users = root,jamie
[09:15] <jatos> guest ok = no
[09:15] <jatos> set directory = yes
[09:15] <jatos> delete readonly = yes
[09:15] <jatos> map archive = no
[09:15] <jatos> fstype = VFAT
[09:16] <jatos> [jamie-test]
[09:16] <jatos> valid users = jamie,root
[09:16] <jatos> admin users = jamie,root
[09:16] <jatos> force user = irc
[09:16] <jatos> read only = no
[09:16] <jatos> path = /home/jamie
[09:16] <jatos> sorry about the length of that, but theres my smb.conf
[09:16] <Skaag> jatos you are crazy
[09:16] <jatos> why, for pasting all that?
[09:16] <Skaag> yes
[09:16] <qbit> http://pastebin.com/327777 <= is an example from my FreeBSD server
[09:16] <Skaag> there's a channel for this stuff
[09:16] <jatos> ok, I won't do that again, did it cause a problem then?
[09:17] <jatos> thanks
[09:17] <jatos> oh, I think I might use that pastebin in future
[09:17] <jatos> if not to avoid causing future annoyance
[09:18] <buz> jatos: well it'd suck pretty hard if someone else was talking ;)
[09:18] <buz> pastebin is much easier to read for us too
[09:18] <jatos> lol....
[09:18] <qbit> if you can get swat to work I think there's docs that can be easily accessed through it
[09:19] <jatos> remind me wha swat is....
[09:20] <qbit> swat is an embedded web server that allows you to config and control samba by using a web browser
[09:20] <lscd> jatos: generally, >4 lines should go on pastebin / #flood
[09:21] <jatos> does anyone have a copy of a working smb.conf as well, also lscd I will take note of that in future
[09:21] <qbit> it listens on port 901
[09:22] <jatos> ah thats what swat is...
[09:22] <jatos> I am going to try that!
[09:23] <qbit> http://www.faqs.org/docs/samba/toc.html <= docs here
[10:21] <MikeStyle> hi umm my dvd-burner isnt working. is there a way to burn .iso files to more than one regular cd-r?
[10:30] <molmol> MikeStyle: unlikely, ISO images are file-systems, you know, directory structures and all.
[10:53] <trograin> Hello everyone. Have a problem. putted up a server, isntalled kubuntu (Server option, so only the basesystem I guess). Have 2 Eth cards. eth0 and eth1. Eth0 runs with dhcp Succesfully and gets to teh internet. Eth1 has a static IP for the itnernal LAN with the gateway beeing Eth0 external IPadress. So far so good. Have a Laptop the ifconfig is putted so that the gateway of the laptops ethcard is same as the Eth1 card on the servers Static I
[10:53] <trograin> ing the server. BUT the laptop can NOT get to the internet. What do i do wrong???'
[10:54] <trograin> the eth cards (both on the server and the one on the laptop) have correct adress on all points. stil Internal LAN is no problem, BUT to get the laptop to access the itnernet through the server I cant :( why?
[10:56] <lscd> trograin: let me see if i understand this: you installed a server with kubuntu, which has 2 ethernet cards and can access the net, and a laptop, which you connected to the server, but cannot access the net?
[10:56] <trograin> ops :D
[10:56] <trograin> yess
[10:56] <trograin> the laptop can access the server but not the internet. the server can access the internet
[10:56] <lscd> yeah - do you have any other computers?
[10:56] <trograin> nopes
[10:57] <lscd> ok - i _suspect_ that you don't have forwarding enabled
[10:57] <trograin> I guessed so
[10:57] <trograin> how do I fix that?
[10:58] <lscd> cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[10:58] <lscd> does that say 1 or 0?
[10:58] <trograin> I check
[10:59] <lscd> [there may be some nicer way in ubuntu - but i've only been running ubuntu a day, so i can only advise you of ways that work in general on linux, sorry]
[10:59] <lscd> given that eth0 is using dhcp, i'd guess that you only have one ip address?
[10:59] <Aapzak> evening mates
[11:00] <trograin> 0
[11:00] <trograin> 1 ipadress
[11:00] <lscd> trograin: ok, you'll want to allow forwarding, and set up nat (network address translation - it basically allows you to have more than one pc use the same net connection\)
[11:01] <trograin> and the answer was 0 on the CAT command
[11:02] <lscd> yeah
[11:16] <Aapzak> I'm testing ethereal
[11:17] <sy> anyone use linux
[11:17] <Aapzak> lots of my neighbours have wide open wifi networks
[11:18] <Aapzak> everyone uses linux
[11:19] <Aapzak> I dunno who they are, so I want to login their net and grab something which gives me the oppotunity to mail them .. help them secure their lans a bit, should I do that, or leave it as it is?
[11:20] <Aapzak> if I leave it the way it is, I still have inet when my adsl goes down :)
[11:20] <lscd> Aapzak: i'd knock on their doors and say 'hi' if you want to do something
[11:20] <Aapzak> dunno who they are, physicly
[11:20] <lscd> yes, but they're obviously not too far away
[11:20] <Aapzak> true, maybe use the audio scanner in kwifimanager to track them down
[11:21] <Aapzak> I thought of that
[11:21] <lscd> if they're non-technical _and_ jerks, they could try to prosecute you if they notice you doing anything on their lan
[11:21] <Aapzak> in Holland? dunno about that
[11:21] <lscd> the non-technical bit means they're unlikely to catch you, but i'd tend to advise talking irl
[11:22] <lscd> Aapzak: i said try, not succeed ;)
[11:22] <Aapzak> I know one neighbour, allready made appointment to secure it a bit more :)
[11:22] <Aapzak> :)
[11:22] <lscd> eh, that's good
[11:23] <Aapzak> but ... if my lan is the easiest to crack, I'll be the most favorite victom, oohhh, what to do, what to do :)
[11:23] <Aapzak> I'd prefer everyone to open their APs, but I don't trust noone on my lan, I suppose noone does
[11:24] <lscd> eh, why?
[11:24] <Aapzak> why what?
[11:25] <lscd> why would you prefer everyone open their AP?
[11:26] <Aapzak> because companies like t-mobile ask 40 Euros a month for unlimited access to their access points. If everyone whould share, you'd have internet everywhere for free
[11:26] <lscd> yeah
[11:26] <Aapzak> its allready like this where I live, I can internet everywhere
[11:27] <lscd> so, start a campaign/program to maintain or extend that, and let people opt out?
[11:27] <Aapzak> problem is ... I'm trustworthy, but not everyone is
[11:27] <Aapzak> that would be nice
[11:27] <jpowers> I think fully open ap's only work if everyone also has access to a vpn server or secure proxy to secure their pipe to the internet.
[11:27] <Aapzak> I'm responsible for my adsl connection
[11:28] <Aapzak> jpowers: true also
[11:28] <Aapzak> I don't trust the lans I visit
[11:28] <jpowers> I don't either
[11:28] <Aapzak> ssh/ shttp only :)
[11:28] <jpowers> I run a vpn at my house and hook into it from any place I hook up
[11:28] <Aapzak> thats nice
[11:29] <Aapzak> so you depend on the speed of 2 dsl connections, but you're save
[11:30] <Aapzak> I won't open my lan because I am responsible for everything coming from my modem, including spam and hacking, so I can't open my connection to people I don't know until I put a firewall between AP and inet
[11:30] <ChynphaT> hello
[11:31] <Aapzak> I'm pro sharing, but I trust noone
[11:31] <ChynphaT> im new to this whole linux kubuntu thing, but ive heard that this is one of the best distros to use, id like if someone could help me figure out how to install stuff and navigate the terminal
[11:32] <ChynphaT> or refer me to a good help guide online
[11:32] <_david> hello world
[11:32] <Aapzak> pfff ChynphaT, thats a lot of work
[11:32] <lscd> ChynphaT: yeah, two things
[11:32] <ChynphaT> =/
[11:32] <lscd> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation will tell you many important/fun bits
[11:32] <_david> do you speak french
[11:32] <lscd> and for software: try 'sudo kynaptic'
[11:32] <lscd> _david: i understand it moderately, but don't speak it
[11:32] <ChynphaT> thank you very much
[11:32] <Aapzak> it's also in the KDE menu
[11:32] <lscd> ChynphaT: np
[11:32] <_david> ok
[11:33] <lscd> Aapzak: ahh, good to know
[11:33] <Aapzak> under system I bellieve
[11:33] <lscd> <-- total newbie at kubuntu, it's been installed ~24 hours, but i've mainly been using my old systems
[11:33] <Aapzak> lscd is not new to linux?
[11:33] <lscd> i've been using linux since '99
[11:34] <Aapzak> because I think ChynphaT is new to linux
[11:34] <ChynphaT> yeh
[11:34] <lscd> yeah, but the user guides should help anyhow
[11:34] <Aapzak> lscd: you're almost a pro, if you used the right distro's that is :)
[11:34] <lscd> Aapzak: redhat -> slack -> gentoo
[11:34] <Aapzak> nice
[11:34] <Aapzak> why gentoo -> kubuntu?
[11:34] <lscd> i've tried others, but wasn't so impressed
[11:35] <lscd> because i keep recommending ubuntu to newbies who hate the sound of gentoo
[11:35] <Aapzak> Archlinux is rather nice
[11:35] <lscd> and i hate recommending things to people without trying them
[11:35] <lscd> i'm typing on gentoo; i haven't abused my kubuntu box much yet
[11:35] <Aapzak> aha, but ... Gentoo is so much nicer :)
[11:35] <lscd> well, pros and cons
[11:35] <Aapzak> I hate the compiling
[11:35] <lscd> yep, that's a con
[11:36] <Aapzak> I've been running emerge -uDav since yesterday
[11:36] <lscd> it's also much less dialup friendly than most distros, i'd say
[11:36] <Aapzak> yup, there was a new KDE
[11:36] <lscd> yey
[11:36] <Aapzak> dunno about dailup
[11:36] <lscd> i'm going on vacation in a few hours
[11:36] <lscd> so i'll upgrade when i get back
[11:36] <lscd> Aapzak: i'm happily ignoring all my modems, but a fair number of people i know still use modems
[11:36] <Aapzak> you'll be in for some fun, I had 300+ new packages
[11:37] <lscd> yeah, especially using the kde split ebuilds, i'm sure i will ;)
[11:37] <Aapzak> I'm using those, thats a releive actually
[11:37] <lscd> sure, but it makes the raw number of packages to upgrade shoot up
[11:37] <Aapzak> yeah, I only look at the Mb's anyway
[11:38] <Aapzak> even ... it was 300+ MB, not packages
[11:38] <lscd> meh... at this point it's gotten late enough that i don't even have the option of installing gentoo on my mac ;)
[11:38] <lscd> so i guess i'll toss kubuntu onto it, as i was planning anyhow
[11:38] <Aapzak> old mac?
[11:38] <lscd> no, powerbook
[11:39] <Aapzak> because I'd run OSX
[11:39] <lscd> i do, but i want to dual-boot it
[11:39] <Aapzak> allright,
[11:39] <Aapzak> the KDE people want to beat OSX by the time they get to version 4
[11:39] <lscd> i always hate spending a month without linux in summer ;)
[11:39] <lscd> mm - they won't manage
[11:40] <lscd> in pure ui, i like kde well over osx already
[11:40] <Aapzak> I just spend a week without, it was rather nice
[11:40] <Aapzak> kde is brilliant
[11:40] <Aapzak> osx has some nice feature, but I'm sure we'll steal them soon
[11:40] <lscd> but what's slick about osx is their configuration things - ie, it takes a few clicks to plug in my laptop to an ethernet cable, then set up an ad-hoc wireless network
[11:40] <aseigo> Aapzak: which features in particular did you miss?
[11:41] <lscd> kde historically has tried to stay very independant of the underlying platform
[11:41] <aseigo> lscd: yeah, that's an OS level issue .. we're just getting to the point of being able to work with the OS developers at that level in the open source desktop world
[11:41] <Aapzak> under the higer function keys are some nice features, dunno the names
[11:41] <lscd> aseigo: yes, i know - i'm happy about things like hal and udev, and some of the new xorg features will go a long way
[11:42] <lscd> expose?
[11:42] <aseigo> kompose
[11:42] <Aapzak> oh man, I'm totally in love with the kioslave
[11:42] <Aapzak> something like that
[11:42] <aseigo> and we'll be sucking in some of those things into kde4 ... oisch is working with the plasma team
[11:42] <lscd> aseigo: i've tried kompose a while ago; it wasn't anywhere near as smooth - the new xorg should help though
[11:42] <aseigo> lscd: yeah, the new stuff oisch is working on is NICE
[11:43] <Aapzak> yeah, we're getting there
[11:43] <Aapzak> I allready like it the way it is
[11:43] <lscd> yeah, i just heard of plasma early today - it sounds interesting
[11:43] <lscd> aseigo: any urls for oisch's stuff?
[11:44] <Aapzak> BTW, I've been using my mother-in-laws G4-OSX occasionally and always have the feeling I'm waiting for the system instead the other way around, it feels slugish
[11:44] <Aapzak> KDE is very very responsive
[11:44] <lscd> Aapzak: how much ram does it have? os-x is a real hog
[11:44] <lscd> Aapzak: unless you get a lot of firefox windows going ;)
[11:44] <Aapzak> dunno, just a std Imac, lovely design
[11:44] <lscd> ahh, yeah
[11:45] <lscd> apple has always shorted their machines on ram :/
[11:45] <Aapzak> the white ball, 17" widescreen tft,
[11:45] <lscd> my powerbook has a gig, and it's quite smooth
[11:45] <Aapzak> a gig is a lot
[11:45] <lscd> osx likes at least 3/4, at least according to a mac-head friend of mine a few years ago
[11:46] <lscd> [0.75 gigs, not 3 or 4]
[11:46] <aseigo> not to mention we can do network computing
[11:46] <aseigo> check out LTSP and/or NX by NoMachine.
[11:46] <lscd> hmm?
[11:46] <lscd> ah, yeah, nx is nice
[11:46] <aseigo> that's killer for corporate/gov/school installations
[11:47] <lscd> well, network transparancy has been built into X for a loooooong time, but making it less bandwidth-heavy was a good step
[11:49] <Aapzak> ChynphaT: are you getting somewhere?
[11:52] <Aapzak> aseigo: you are KDE devv? I saw some words from you in a KDE rss feed I believe
[11:53] <aseigo> Aapzak: yes... i'm one of the devs =)
[11:54] <aseigo> Aapzak: my blog's on planet.kde.org so that may be the rss feed you saw it on =)
[11:55] <lscd> aseigo: congrats, kde rocks ^-^
[11:55] <aseigo> =)
[11:55] <lscd> lol, kde thongs
[11:56] <ChynphaT> Aapzak, nope
[11:56] <aseigo> lscd: yeah... best mail i've gotten in a while ;)
[11:56] <lscd> hehe :)
[11:57] <aseigo> er... planetkde.org ...
[11:59] <Aapzak> aseigo: thats probably the one
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2005-08-07-#kubuntu-devel
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[12:38] <Riddell> Mez: and that is why you need screen
[12:39] <Mez> ...?
[12:39] <Mez> I dont use irssi though
[12:39] <Mez> :P
[12:39] <Mez> I could drop an eggdrop on dev.kubuntu.org though
[12:39] <Riddell> well you should :)
[12:39] <Riddell> no, you couldn't
[12:39] <Mez> irssi = Text based
[12:39] <Mez> lol
[12:39] <Mez> (I wouldnt)
[12:40] <Riddell> irc == text based
[12:40] <Mez> I prefer somethign that isnt running in a console and makes me remember weird key combos and doesnt let me click htings
[12:41] <Mez> if only I could sort out this screen resolution then I'd use breezy for a while
[12:44] <Mez> why wont dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg let me set my monitor sync rates?
[12:48] <Mez> brb
[12:52] <Mez> w00h00
[12:52] <Mez> apart from the fact everything looks slightly bigger, but at the same resolution
[12:55] <Mez> well at least we know kubuntu breezy is working now
[12:55] <Riddell> awooga
[12:56] <crimsun> it'd be interesting to have amarok 1.3 beta 2 in breezy.
[12:56] <crimsun> too bad it's beta :/
[12:56] <crimsun> I should just work on it tonight; I already built packages for hoary.
[12:57] <Mez> hmm
[12:57] <Mez> er
[12:57] <Mez> kubuntu uses arts still yes?
[12:57] <Mez> you compiled amarok for use without arts
[12:58] <crimsun> just install amarok-arts then
[12:58] <Mez> didnt know that existed :D
[12:58] <crimsun> (if it doesn't exist in breezy, never mind me. I'm looking at hoary.)
[12:59] <Mez> it exists in breezy
[01:01] <Riddell> Mez: use gstreamer
[01:02] <Mez> Riddell: how?
[01:02] <Riddell> does it complain?
[01:02] <Mez> amarok breaks
[01:02] <Mez> with the arts engine
[01:02] <Mez> and er..
[01:03] <Mez> buzzes...
[01:03] <Mez> with gstreamer
[01:03] <Mez> brb
[01:06] <Mez> ah
[01:06] <Mez> amarok works with arts now
[01:06] <Mez> just wont play MP3s
[01:09] <Riddell> install akode-mpeg
[01:10] <Mez> Riddell, nop - still not playing
[01:10] <Mez> unles I need to restart X
[01:17] <Riddell> restart artsd
[01:18] <Mez> meh :D
[01:18] <Mez> tis working
[01:18] <Mez> X restart was faster
[01:37] <Mez> o_O
[01:37] <Mez> my sound dont work on hoary now
[02:15] <Mez> Riddell, can you check over http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=269
[02:16] <Riddell> cool. but tomorrow.. need sleep..
[02:45] <Mez> Riddell: what arch is dev.kubuntu.org?
[02:45] <Mez> i386?
[02:47] <crimsun> he's asleep.
[02:47] <Mez> (aka what type of .debsah kk
[02:47] <Mez> ah kk
[04:22] <Mez> Riddell, will start on backports stuff tomorrow
[10:03] <froud> Is Kubuntu being localized in Rosetta ?
[11:18] <Riddell> froud: not yet, hopefully it'll happen before breezy
[11:18] <froud> Some apps are there, kompose
[11:19] <froud> and kaffiene
[11:19] <froud> Riddell: is it safe to download and insall kubuntu from the night builds, is x working now?
[11:25] <Riddell> froud: looks like there are no nightly builds except for amd64
[11:25] <froud> :-(
[11:36] <JRe> Riddell: nice interview ;) ;)
[11:39] <Mez> interview?
[11:40] <JRe> Mez: on distrowatch
[11:43] <\sh> dot.kde.org
[11:43] <\sh> read
[11:43] <\sh> there is an announcement
[11:44] <\sh> it's quite nice
[11:44] <JRe> \sh: yes :)
[11:54] <\sh> JRe: u read also about "Freedom Toasters"
[11:54] <\sh> ?
[11:55] <JRe> \sh: no
[11:56] <JRe> \sh: it's also on distrwatch ?
[11:57] <\sh> yepp
[11:58] <\sh> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20050801#3
[11:59] <JRe> \sh: thanks =)
[12:06] <je4d> Riddell: seconded.. tiz a good interview (:
[12:11] <fromoze> yes, seconded, Kubuntu rulez ;)
[02:16] <Mez> Riddell: bug in k3b
[02:17] <Mez> it says "time elapsed" bla bla bla "h"
[02:36] <Riddell> froud: it's just the live CD that is amd64 only, install has everything but I just tried it and it doesn't work
[02:37] <froud> Riddell: argh!!! any expectations when will be working
[02:37] <froud> time is short
[02:38] <Riddell> I have the same frustrations
[02:38] <Riddell> Mez: what should it say?
[02:38] <froud> string freeze is nearly upon us, I can't see much of anything being done
[02:42] <Riddell> froud: I'm going to try the Mez route now and download colony 2 and update
[02:43] <froud> 10X thnx
[03:30] <Riddell> Mez: k3b-i18n looks good, am going to upload
[03:37] <Riddell> Mez: could you notify the debian maintainer of that package, noting the fix to remove .gmo files
[03:37] <Riddell> Mez: oh, I modified your .orig to not include .gmo files
[05:54] <Riddell> froud: installing colony 2 then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop works
[05:56] <froud> Riddell: k, then dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[05:56] <froud> then uninstall ubuntu-desktop
[05:56] <Riddell> no need to reconfigure kdm
[05:56] <froud> that should leave a KDE only right
[05:57] <Riddell> apt-get remove libgtk2.0-0 should blast gnome gone
[05:57] <froud> cool, don't want gnome in screen shots
[05:57] <froud> :-)
[05:57] <Riddell> froud: there's one overlapping file in xkeyboard-config that you'll have to dpkg --install --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archive/foo.deb
[05:58] <Riddell> then redo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:02] <froud> Riddell: downloading
[06:02] <Riddell> froud: good luck
[07:41] <Riddell> http://onefinger.sourceforge.net/ looks interesting (if not very useable)
[09:36] <\sh> funny...the first cd is burned with fullspeed and the second one only with 4....(config is on "autodetect" speed)
[09:36] <\sh> is it a k3b effect or cdrecord?
[10:03] <Mez> \sh: cdrecord I believe
[10:05] <\sh> we have to track it down...it's annoying
[10:52] <Riddell> Mez: http://onefinger.sourceforge.net/ katapult as written by an academic :)
[10:53] <Mez> yeah, I had seen onefinger disccussed in linux format
[10:53] <Riddell> what did they say?
[10:54] <Mez> that it was awkward, but worth a look
[10:54] <Riddell> yep
[10:55] <Mez> got a package yet?
[10:56] <Riddell> no, but it doesn't need compiled beig python
[10:56] <Riddell> just install and go
[10:56] <Mez> fair enough
[11:39] <allee> Mez: ponder: was it you, who had problem with digikam 0.7.2 from my repo and tags? (Can't reproduce a problem)
[11:57] <allee> [Tue Jul 26 2005] [21:26:06] <Mez> allee, try anything under "my tags"
[11:57] <allee> [Tue Jul 26 2005] [21:26:09] <Mez> and it errors
[11:58] <allee> can't reproduce
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2005-08-23-#ubuntu-meeting
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[12:23] <BJW> Hello
[12:24] <BJW> Has the meeting started?
[12:28] <ajmitch> BJW: postponed to 18th
[12:29] <mhz> ogra: ping?
[12:30] <BJW> o ok than you
[12:30] <BJW> Pong?
[12:38] <mhz> ogra: ping ping?
[01:58] <jelkner> an edubuntu meeting is about to begin, yes?
[01:59] <Seveas> np
[01:59] <Seveas> no
[01:59] <jelkner> no?
[01:59] <Seveas> it's 00:00 UTC, the meeting was at 22:00
[01:59] <jelkner> i was on at 8 am, and i was told that i was 12 hours early
[01:59] <jelkner> (all times EST)
[01:59] <Seveas> ah the meeting is postponed, see topic
[02:00] <Seveas> and for UTC time: date --utc
[02:00] <jelkner> ?
[02:00] <mgalvin> it was push to tomorrow
[02:01] <jelkner> so it hasn't happened yet?
[02:01] <mgalvin> nope, see the channel topic at the top of this window
[02:02] <Seveas> mgalvin, do you happen to know the new time?
[02:02] <jelkner> thanks
[02:02] <mgalvin> it will be tomorrow at 22:00UTC
[02:02] <mgalvin> should be the same
[02:02] <jelkner> how do i figure into EST?
[02:02] <Seveas> jelkner, `date --utc` gives the time in utc
[02:02] <Seveas> then just do some math
[02:03] <Seveas> (it will be in 22 hours)
[02:03] <mgalvin> its 4pm est
[02:04] <jelkner> ok, tomorrow at 4 pm EST, thanks!
[02:04] <jelkner> i was doing to download the edubuntu iso tomorrow and have a crack at it, but i was waiting to hear from folks at the meeting if it was ready
[02:05] <jelkner> is it ready? or should i wait?
[02:05] <mgalvin> not sure, try asking ogra on #edubuntu he will know
[02:06] <jelkner> ok, i didn't know there was a #edubuntu, i'll head over there now...
[01:48] <Simira> Treenaks : your t-shirts are on their way.
[01:49] <Treenaks> Simira: \o/ cool
[01:50] <Treenaks> now if only the laptop would arrive
[01:51] <ajmitch> Treenaks: I know that feeling :)
[01:51] <Treenaks> ajmitch: I got an email on tuesday.. it might come in today.. unless it's being shipped by snail
[01:51] <ajmitch> Treenaks: great, I haven' got the email saying it's shipped yet
[01:52] <ajmitch> and I live a *lot* further away :)
[01:52] <Treenaks> ajmitch: muha
[01:58] <Lathiat> heh
[01:58] <Lathiat> i havent got an email either
[01:58] <Lathiat> whens the next CoC meeting?
[01:58] <Lathiat> ah 30 aug?
[01:59] <Lathiat> bah thats 2 weeks away ;p
[10:14] <jelkner> is there an edubuntu meeting here any time soon?
[10:16] <crimsun> jelkner: at 2200 UTC, which is in 1h 45m
[10:16] <jelkner> ahh, thanks!
[10:21] <smurfix> jelkner: next time you might want to actually *listen* when people tell you when the next meeting is ;-)
[10:21] <jelkner> smurfix: i thought i did, someone told me 4 pm
[10:21] <jelkner> which is now
[10:22] <smurfix> Hmm, depends on *which* 4pm then ...
[10:22] <mitsuhiko> jelkner: wrong timezone :=
[10:22] <jelkner> ahh, i had said EST, which i thought was Eastern Standard Time
[10:23] <jelkner> i realize that it behoves me to just learn UTC and to stick with that
[11:01] <JaneW> (and don't expect any sympathy from me it's 11pm here!)
[11:02] <JaneW> I'll be back in an hour I have another session with mdz first
[11:02] <JaneW> and most humble appologies for standing everyone up last night *grovel*
[11:14] <JaneW> *** reminder *** Edubuntu Update meeting here in 45 minutes
[12:01] <JaneW> hi all
[12:01] <ogra> hey
[12:01] <JaneW> hi ogra
[12:01] <JaneW> just you and me...?
[12:01] <jelkner> hi Jane
[12:02] <ogra> mdz just joined :) jelkner is here since yesterday
[12:02] <JaneW> hi jelkner :))
[12:02] <jelkner> seems i actually made it this time ;-)
[12:02] <JaneW> well done
[12:02] <JaneW> and again sorry about yesterday
[12:02] <jelkner> no problem
[12:02] <jelkner> i'm in the middle of an edubuntu install as we type...
[12:02] <JaneW> did jsgotangco make it...?
[12:02] <ogra> JaneW, i announced it in the topic here
[12:02] <ogra> doesnt look like
[12:02] <JaneW> jelkner: great, so you can give us live feedback
[12:03] <JaneW> ogra: yes thanks I saw that
[12:03] <JaneW> well let's get started
[12:03] <ogra> ok
[12:03] <JaneW> same format as before, let run through progress to date and take it from there
[12:03] <JaneW> ogra: do we have a CD?
[12:04] <ogra> somehow, yes :)
[12:04] <JaneW> and it.... installs?
[12:04] <JaneW> *holds breath*
[12:04] <ogra> its still missing the server task, i have no idea how to add it...
[12:04] <JaneW> can you get help on that?
[12:04] <ogra> mdz apparently too... Kamion wil be able to help me if i cant find out myself
[12:05] <jelkner> question: the install just finished ogra, so i don't have an LTSP server yet, yes?
[12:05] <ogra> jelkner, did you see my mail ?
[12:05] <JaneW> ogra: when Kamion back more than a week still I think
[12:05] <ogra> http://edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting
[12:05] <ogra> jelkner, ^
[12:06] <jelkner> ogra: i'm reading it now...
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2005-08-23-#ubuntu-toolchain
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[08:27] <elmo> lamont/infinity: still missing powerpc daily d-i
[08:33] <lamont> will check shortly
[10:03] <doko> jbailey: do you have any outstanding changes for gcc-4.0 ?
[10:03] <jbailey> doko: I don't think so.
[10:03] <jbailey> doko: I'm just looking at the glibc packaging for putting the include files in the right place.
[10:03] <jbailey> I don't think it affects youin any way, though.
[10:04] <doko> ok, just have to make an update due to the libcairo upload
[10:04] <jbailey> Actually.
[10:04] <jbailey> Hmm
[10:04] <jbailey> Oh cool, /usr/include/GNU-TRIPLE works on ppc too
[10:04] <jbailey> Nice. =)
[10:04] <jbailey> I should undo my linux-kernel-header wrappers and just drop those in their various directories.
[10:06] <doko> yes, I have to backport that to 3.4
[10:07] <jbailey> Have you thought of the default gcc for 6.04, btw?
[10:09] <doko> ENOTIME
[10:10] <doko> it's difficult, assume that it's released in Sep/Oct, then we won't have a .1 release for 6.04
[10:10] <jbailey> I was more thinking about all the Java work that's gone into 4.1
[10:11] <doko> even now, we have five or six wrong-codegen fixes not in the gcc, which are already in cvs
[10:11] <fabbione> doko: speaking of which.. the gcc ice on sparc?
[10:11] <fabbione> for mysql-*?
[10:12] <fabbione> i did send you all the info a looong time ago...
[10:12] <doko> fabbione: use -O2
[10:13] <fabbione> doko: so i need to do a port upload..
[10:13] <fabbione> of a package because gcc is broken?
[10:15] <doko> http://gcc.gnu.org/PR23454
[10:18] <doko> fabbione: or use gcc-3.4
[10:19] <jbailey> fabbione: You're not doing kernel anymore, right? That should leave you lots of time for gcc hacking. =)
[10:21] <fabbione> jbailey: no
[10:21] <fabbione> no way i will start to poke gcc
[10:22] <doko> fabbione: fix binutils ;-)
[10:22] <doko> for spaaarc
[10:23] <fabbione> doko: did the fix made upstream?
[10:25] <doko> I didn't check
[10:25] <fabbione> doko: tsk...
[10:27] <doko> heh, its a spaaaaarc ;-)
[10:34] <doko> fabbione looks moped
[11:56] <lamont> doko: if you get bored, you could look at why cfdisk was segfaulting unless built -O1... (#323463, aka ubuntu #13486) - I'm blaming gcc
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2005-08-23-#edubuntu
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[02:01] <edwin> someone speak spanish?
[02:03] <mhz> I do
[02:03] <mhz> yo
[02:03] <mhz> :)
[02:06] <edwin> heh
[02:06] <edwin> ola
[02:06] <edwin> lei.. un poco de edubuntu en la web
[02:06] <edwin> quieria averiguar mas
[02:07] <jelkner> ogra: is the edubuntu is ready for use?
[02:07] <edwin> heh.. se fue mhz
[02:10] <jelkner> does anyone know if the edubuntu cd is ready for use/testing?
[03:02] <mhz_vuelvo_luego> edwin: aun estoy en la preparacion de la cena... si me esperas un poco, con agrado te explico lo que necesites :)
[06:07] <mhz> jsgotangco: ping?
[06:07] <jsgotangco> hi
[06:07] <mhz> hi there
[06:07] <mhz> got 3 minutes?
[06:07] <jsgotangco> sure
[06:07] <mhz> ok
[06:07] <mhz> I shoot
[06:07] <jsgotangco> what's up
[06:07] <mhz> Moin/ last time I understood the following:
[06:08] <mhz> Doc team is using SVN because you all need versioning, and DocBook because of its capabilities, right?
[06:09] <jsgotangco> DocBook has been used throughout any technical documentation AFAIK
[06:09] <mhz> However, despite SVN is very good and mature, it is always to work off line and then submit
[06:09] <jsgotangco> and very much centralized
[06:10] <mhz> That forces doc team gung to carry the HD with them all the time, right?
[06:10] <mhz> (if we talk about fans, of course)
[06:10] <jsgotangco> contributors have their machines yes
[06:11] <mhz> Also, SVN forces people to IDLE or others to submit their advances before we know the real time status of their contributions, right?
[06:12] <mhz> IDLE for others.
[06:12] <jsgotangco> im not following you
[06:12] <mhz> hehe
[06:12] <jsgotangco> SVN is being used because everyone in the team is used to it
[06:12] <mhz> SVN is good BUT forces to be people-dependant
[06:12] <jsgotangco> but its not just Edubuntu
[06:12] <jsgotangco> its the whole Ubuntu documentation
[06:12] <mhz> yes, I know
[06:13] <jsgotangco> we've been talking about moving it to Baz in the near future post breezy
[06:13] <mhz> Baz is gonna kick some butts
[06:13] <mhz> Baz is real cool
[06:13] <jsgotangco> because SVN forces us to be dependent on 1 person controlling ACLs
[06:13] <mhz> yes, exactly
[06:13] <mhz> Now we talk
[06:13] <jsgotangco> me and mpt have been doing some Ubuntu Help on Baz but it won't come out for breezy probably
[06:14] <mhz> I am a Translator, ans as such, I always wanted a tool that could let me work both off and on line
[06:15] <mhz> but always keep everything on line, so I can be anywhere with any web browser and work
[06:15] <mhz> MoinMoin lets me do that
[06:15] <mhz> plus its control versioning is very good
[06:15] <mhz> and deals beautifully with ACL's
[06:16] <jsgotangco> if you're talking about a web/browser interface to do documentation, we've discussed that a long long time ago in the docteam but it fizzled out and resulted in a mini-flame war within the community
[06:16] <mhz> LOL
[06:16] <jsgotangco> it needs to be planned ahead
[06:16] <jsgotangco> even the Gnome people have it as a bounty
[06:16] <jsgotangco> i mean Google
[06:17] <jsgotangco> because the problem is social, not technical
[06:17] <mhz> that's why I will do my translations in MoinMoin
[06:17] <mhz> and show a working alternative
[06:17] <mhz> not just the idea
[06:17] <jsgotangco> right
[06:17] <jsgotangco> but i don't think its workable in our time frame
[06:17] <jsgotangco> Sept. 8 is documentation freeze
[06:17] <mhz> my only problem is I am XML ignorant
[06:17] <jsgotangco> we can do so in Breezy +1
[06:18] <jsgotangco> mhz, we can just parse basic docbook tags
[06:18] <jsgotangco> so we have a proof of concept
[06:18] <mhz> so wahteever I do, I know Moin has a Moin 2 XML something, but I have no idea what to do with that output
[06:19] <jsgotangco> probably some Moin script that will transform moin tags to docbook equivalent
[06:19] <mhz> ok, so you say that I just take care of moining the doc and you get it into XML ?
[06:20] <jsgotangco> i know very little of Moin scripting
[06:20] <mhz> np
[06:20] <jsgotangco> i know the ACLs and stuff
[06:20] <mhz> Moin is 100% python
[06:20] <jsgotangco> because a Moin solution will be very welcome in Ubuntu
[06:20] <mhz> and we can always get help from the Moin gang
[06:20] <mhz> (very cool and clever guys)
[06:21] <jsgotangco> a solution like that will benefit not only Edubuntu but the whole documentation project
[06:21] <mhz> Well, actually, I mentioned and you can see it, Moin .po files are being kept 100% wikied
[06:23] <jsgotangco> if you can work something out, we'll see and get the docteam to try it out
[06:23] <jsgotangco> the end result should still be in source docbook as much as possible
[06:23] <mhz> http://moinmaster.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinI18n/es
[06:23] <jsgotangco> and let Moin do the front end
[06:24] <mhz> exactly
[06:24] <jsgotangco> but it should not hamper people from still doing docbook if they want to
[06:25] <mhz> Well, I am hosting a site (always in Moin) in a few days more. this will have info about Edubuntu, Ubuntu, and 2 projects I am working on for Latin american schools
[06:25] <mhz> There, I plan to host a Spanish version of Cookbook
[06:26] <mhz> However, 97% of what we talked now, I am sure it is already done in Moin
[06:26] <jsgotangco> ok inform us when you get it working
[06:26] <mhz> Versioning has always worked perfectly
[06:26] <jsgotangco> i'll just brb for lunch
[06:26] <mhz> np
[06:26] <mhz> I'll go to sleep
[06:26] <mhz> :D
[06:26] <mhz> see ya
[09:33] <highvoltage> I'm updating the tuxlab troubleshooting guide for edubuntu/skubuntu/ubuntu
[09:34] <highvoltage> what would be the best way for a lab administrator to reset their password if they forget it?
[09:34] <highvoltage> (the first user created with admin)
[09:34] <highvoltage> afaik, they'll get a screen asking them for a password if they start into single user mode.
[09:37] <jsgotangco> well in ubuntu, you just reboot the system and when you're in grub you just go into 2nd option of the kernel and you get in automatically as root
[09:38] <jsgotangco> that is in the default install
[09:38] <jsgotangco> then reset your password when necessary
[09:46] <highvoltage> aaah
[09:46] <highvoltage> ok. thanks.
[11:07] <jsgotangco> hi JaneW
[11:08] <JaneW> hello jsgotangco
[11:08] <jsgotangco> JaneW, are you feeling better? i heard you were ill
[11:08] <JaneW> jsgotangco: sorry if you got up early for nothing :(
[11:09] <jsgotangco> did yoga cause it? :)
[11:09] <JaneW> jsgotangco: yes still a bit fragile (feeling hungover without the pleasure of the fun beforehand)
[11:09] <JaneW> jsgotangco: no that was Tuesday, if anything yoga would probably help
[11:09] <jsgotangco> well if you want some good stuff i got edubuntu running now
[11:09] <JaneW> jsgotangco: was a migraine, nit sure what triggers mine, I don't get them often
[11:09] <jsgotangco> kinda slow though
[11:09] <JaneW> jsgotangco: my mom and sister get them at least once a month
[11:10] <JaneW> YAY *smile*
[11:10] <JaneW> progress
[11:11] <jsgotangco> wonder if its my machine
[11:12] <jsgotangco> its an old 1.7Ghz celeron
[11:14] <ogra> jsgotangco, i test on a PIII 900 here... doesnt feel slow normally
[11:16] <jsgotangco> hm,
[11:18] <ogra> still burning the nightly iso... lets see if its caused by the recent one, but i doubt it
[11:19] <jsgotangco> ok i'll rsync this iso and burn again
[11:19] <JaneW> OT: I just did a search to see if I am insane, and it turns out I am not the only one who has the rouble with words and nouns in particular in connection with migraines, http://www.migrainepage.com/dcforum/discussion/3452.html
[11:19] <jsgotangco> you insane?
[11:20] <ogra_> my GF just told me she has this too... my impression was just wrong :)
[11:20] <ogra_> so dont fear youre insane :)
[11:21] <jsgotangco> hmm i just installed colony 3 on a separate machine a few minutes ago and now i get an update notification for a ton of new stuff
[11:22] <ogra_> jsgotangco: did you enable universe ?
[11:22] <jsgotangco> no
[11:22] <jsgotangco> it even has dbus
[11:22] <ogra_> there were quite some uploads since the iso was built...
[11:22] <jsgotangco> ahh
[11:22] <ogra_> yup... see breezy changes
[11:23] <jsgotangco> hmm i just noticed that yelp is now launchpad enabled
[11:24] <ogra_> all gnome apps should be
[11:25] <ogra_> seb128 patched libgnomeui... all apps that use it are launchpad aware
[11:25] <jsgotangco> some games still aren't but we'll see
[11:26] <jsgotangco> probably old stuff
[11:27] <ogra_> not sure if they got rebuilt with te new libgnomeui yet
[12:02] <jsgotangco> brb
[12:23] <ogra_> damned
[12:23] <ogra_> mdz broke edubuntu
[12:23] <ogra_> GRRRRRRRRRRRRR
[12:48] <JaneW> what why?
[05:16] <highvoltage> hello everyone.
[05:16] <highvoltage> how are things?
[05:21] <Petaris> Hi highvoltage
[05:39] <highvoltage> ok. let's try that again :)
[05:39] <highvoltage> howzit going?
[06:04] <Petaris> Hi highvoltage
[10:42] <JaneW> hi all
[10:43] <JaneW> mvo just told me that ogra's area has no network atm...
[11:14] <JaneW> *** reminder *** Edubuntu Update meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 45 minutes
[12:01] <JaneW> meetint NOW in #u-m
[12:01] <JaneW> meeting even
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2005-08-23-#ubuntu-motu
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[12:44] <ajmitch> wonderful, the current image I rsynced is identical to colony 3 :)
[12:57] <mgalvin> how often does revu process uploads?
[12:59] <mgalvin> additionally, when i modify a package and upload the fixes to revu should I bump the version or leave it the same since it is not in a repository yet
[12:59] <ajmitch> every 15 minutes, I think?
[01:00] <ajmitch> I prefer to bump the version, if not, then add a note into the changelog for the current version instead
[01:00] <ajmitch> ah..
[01:00] <ajmitch> sorry, do you mean modify a package in the repository, or one in revu?
[01:01] <mgalvin> in revu
[01:01] <ajmitch> ok, then I suppose it's ok to leave the changelog as-is, though I don't like that :)
[01:03] <mgalvin> i will leave the number the same but add info about what i did just so it is there for the record
[01:04] <ajmitch> good
[01:05] <sistpoty> mgalvin: revu processes uploads every 5 mins
[01:06] <mgalvin> ok, thnx guys
[01:06] <sistpoty> you're welcome
[01:07] <ajmitch> hey sistpoty :)
[01:07] <sistpoty> hi ajmitch
[01:07] <ajmitch> what's up?
[01:07] <sistpoty> nothing special... just trying to start with revu2 ;)
[01:08] <ajmitch> wonderful :)
[01:08] <sistpoty> but I think it will take some time :/
[01:08] <sistpoty> didn't got half of the things finished, I planned to incorporate today
[01:11] <ajmitch> sistpoty: got the source available?
[01:12] <sistpoty> yeah... siretart put revu2 into public svn (see REVUDevelopment for a link)
[01:12] <sistpoty> but there isn't any code in revu2 yet :(
[01:12] <ajmitch> ok
[01:12] <mgalvin> if anyone has time... i uploaded my gperfection package with the suggested fixes and revu has already processed it
[01:14] <ajmitch> ah, not \sh
[01:14] <ajmitch> different sh?
[01:15] <sistpoty> dunno
[01:15] <Nafallo> ajmitch: soren hansen, dk
[01:15] <ajmitch> Nafallo: yeah, I spotted that now :)
[01:18] <ajmitch> Yagisa1: is there a good reason to have so many separate deng-* source packages?
[01:18] <Yagisa1> ajmitch: yes
[01:19] <Nafallo> short answer ;-)
[01:19] <Nafallo> now ajmitch will ask why? :-)
[01:19] <Yagisa1> most important being ubuntu users requested I split the packages up
[01:19] <ajmitch> and you couldn't do that with 1 source, multiple binaries?
[01:20] <Yagisa1> It also helps to transition to new upstream versions
[01:20] <ajmitch> remember that if this gets uploaded, elmo has to manually approve every new package
[01:20] <ajmitch> so you don't want a grumpy elmo
[01:20] <Yagisa1> the data packs don't get released in sync
[01:20] <Yagisa1> who's elmo ?
[01:21] <Nafallo> Yagisa1: [email protected] :8-
[01:21] <Nafallo> :-)
[01:21] <ajmitch> ftp-master
[01:22] <ajmitch> he who has the last word on acceptance into the archive
[01:22] <mgalvin> James Troup, i.e., the damn ;)
[01:23] <ajmitch> mgalvin: DAM, not damn ;)
[01:23] <Yagisa1> ah, I see. Well, new maintainers guide doesn't cover 1 source, multi binaries,
[01:23] <Yagisa1> and it can be annoying to upload ~20MB just to change eg a hud mode
[01:23] <ajmitch> hey Unfrgiven!
[01:23] <ajmitch> long time no see :)
[01:23] <mgalvin> typo, sorry
[01:23] <ajmitch> Yagisa1: you upload diffs against the orig.tar.gz for minor revisions
[01:24] <Yagisa1> yay, binary diffs
[01:24] <ajmitch> it just means that users would get all the packages they have installed uploaded at once
[01:24] <ajmitch> s/uploaded/upgraded/
[01:24] <Yagisa1> I have even more packages waiting to upload too
[01:25] <Yagisa1> Not all users like the different versions, so I though they would like the choice
[01:25] <Yagisa1> of what to install
[01:25] <ajmitch> yes, and when you split the package, they can choose that
[01:25] <Yagisa1> I used to have it all as a single package - I got hate mail because of it :'(
[01:25] <ajmitch> I'm just saying that you don't have to split the source as well
[01:26] <ajmitch> part of being a maintainer is enjoying the hate mail ;)
[01:26] <Yagisa1> If you point me to a tut, I'll recombine the deng-jdoom-rp-* into one source
[01:27] <ajmitch> I can try & look for one
[01:28] <Yagisa1> I still have the deng-jdoom-ui, deng-jdoom-awp, deng-jdoom-tp, deng-jdoom-ep and deng-jdoom-bamteleports to upload,
[01:28] <Yagisa1> then it's onto jheretic
[01:28] <Yagisa1> new-maintainers guide misses things like this
[01:28] <ajmitch> that's because the NM guide deals with the simpler cases
[01:29] <sistpoty> Yagisa1: if all the sources where back combined into one source, would that be the 250Mb you wrote about earlier?
[01:29] <Yagisa1> sistpoty no, thats only about 20MB
[01:29] <sistpoty> ah... ok
[01:30] <ajmitch> what would total 250MB?
[01:30] <Yagisa1> my entire repo
[01:30] <Yagisa1> which I will not upload
[01:30] <ajmitch> ok, good :)
[01:30] <Yagisa1> just the core (engine, models, textures and ui)
[01:31] <ajmitch> can any of this go into universe, or just multiverse?
[01:31] <Yagisa1> unless I wrote it, it's multiverse
[01:31] <ajmitch> and I'd say that if it doesn't work without multiverse packages, then it should be in multiverse as well
[01:31] <Yagisa1> upstream on the data went non-commcercial
[01:32] <ajmitch> right
[01:32] <ajmitch> so we have to check if we can distribute that at all
[01:32] <Yagisa1> because of ebay scammers selling deng, and the models makes, and doom iwads on ebay
[01:32] <Yagisa1> we can distribute it
[01:32] <Yagisa1> I securred permission 6 months ago
[01:32] <Yagisa1> I'll dig it up, just a sec
[01:33] <ajmitch> if we go by the same rules as debian, special permission doesn't mean jack
[01:33] <ajmitch> since we have to be able to give the same distribution permission to our users
[01:34] <Yagisa1> ajmitch, it was a common courtesy do you mind if I package your work
[01:36] <Yagisa1> web link is here if you are interested http://forums.newdoom.com/showthread.php?t=26848
[01:37] <Yagisa1> It's simple, distribute yes, sell no, modify and claim it's your work no
[01:39] <ajmitch> right, I'm guessing it's ok for multiverse then
[01:40] <Yagisa1> I'll hold off uploading if you want, but when it started packaging I tried to make sure it passed as
[01:40] <Yagisa1> much of the DFSG as it could
[01:42] <ajmitch> go ahead & upload to revu, license review is just a required part of any new package :)
[01:43] <Yagisa1> that's cool. I've been auditing the deng license myself, hence multiverse not universe
[01:44] <ajmitch> I'm glad you've been doing that
[01:45] <Yagisa1> I've had to do 3 way diffs with gpl doom, hexen, and deng to see what code comes from where.
[01:45] <Yagisa1> It wasn't fun
[01:45] <ajmitch> heh
[01:45] <ajmitch> that sounds nasty :)
[01:45] <Yagisa1> if you don't build heretic or hexen, it can go to universe
[01:46] <Yagisa1> --without-jheretic --without-jhexen
[01:46] <Yagisa1> but the users were a bit "unhappy"
[01:46] <ajmitch> not if the source still contains that code
[01:47] <Yagisa1> seperate modules
[01:47] <ajmitch> separate source packages?
[01:48] <Yagisa1> separate directories, eg you could delete the jhexen directory, patch the makefile and it builds fine
[01:48] <Yagisa1> each module builds as a separate .so file
[01:48] <ajmitch> right, that would be a case where you'd need separate source packages
[01:48] <Yagisa1> that's how the code is seperated
[01:49] <Yagisa1> :) and I was told not to repack the source last night
[01:49] <ajmitch> there are special cases for it
[01:50] <ajmitch> bad licensing is one of them :)
[01:50] <Yagisa1> I know
[01:51] <Yagisa1> at least this one could be made DFSG free if you wanted to
[01:51] <ajmitch> it'd be nice
[01:52] <Yagisa1> I agree
[01:52] <Yagisa1> There is a planned rewrite for it anyway, that will be all GPL
[01:53] <Yagisa1> but that won't be fore some time
[01:53] <Yagisa1> s/fore/for/
[02:07] <Yagisa1> I've got a few more uploads heading up my slow pipe (the largest single upload I'll do), they are all
[02:07] <Yagisa1> one source - one binary files. I've got to head out, so feel free to direct all flames to my email
[02:07] <Yagisa1> when I get back tonight I'll look into how to combine the deng-jdoom-rp-* into 1 source - multiple binaries
[02:07] <Yagisa1> Catch you later tonight
[03:16] <marcin> hi all
[03:16] <marcin> I got a question about copyright file in debian package
[03:17] <marcin> there are two things that I don't understand in 100%
[03:17] <marcin> 1. 'It was downloaded from <fill in ftp site>
[03:18] <marcin> what should I put there ? full url to file or just ftp?
[03:18] <marcin> and what if it is just http url not ftp?
[03:18] <mgalvin> the url like http://site.org/
[03:19] <marcin> mgalvin: and what if source is just single file?
[03:19] <marcin> mgalvin: like http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/emacs/dired%20.el/download/dired+.el
[03:19] <marcin> ?
[03:19] <mgalvin> hmm, i would say just http://www.emacswiki.org/
[03:20] <mgalvin> it doesn't matter if its one file or 100, its just to say where you got it
[03:20] <marcin> ok then another thing
[03:20] <mgalvin> that full location might change
[03:20] <marcin> what is 'Upstream Author' ?
[03:24] <mgalvin> the name of the actual developer of the software/application
[03:24] <mgalvin> or developers
[03:25] <mgalvin> use Upstream Authors <- not the plural if there are multiple developers
[03:27] <marcin> mgalvin: ok thx
[03:27] <mgalvin> they usually also the copyright holder(s) in which case i usually only use Copyright Holder(s) and leave out Upstream Authors
[03:27] <mgalvin> s/they/they are/
[03:28] <mgalvin> no prob
[04:35] <Tzi> Hi.. Anyone heard anything about Anjuta, and possibly getting a sync from Sid?
[04:48] <krystoff> wanna know where i can find docs about the way do well-done packages for ubuntu ?
[05:45] <pabs3> hi all, simple question about versioning - if I upload foobar-1.1.1-5 to debian mentors, what version should I upload to ubuntu?
[05:48] <Lathiat> pabs3: you should ask for a sync
[05:48] <Lathiat> pabs3: instead of uploading
[05:48] <Lathiat> altho technically
[05:48] <Lathiat> foobar-1.1.1-5ubuntu1
[05:48] <Lathiat> altho if its to mentors
[05:48] <pabs3> well, my package is in neither debian or ubuntu yet
[05:48] <Lathiat> probably cant sync from that
[05:49] <pabs3> so, foobar-1.1.1-4ubuntu1 then?
[05:49] <ajmitch> pabs3: is this package in debian? if not, have you filed the ITP?
[05:50] <pabs3> not in debian, yes I filed an itp
[05:50] <Lathiat> pabs3: 5ubuntu1 if the debian version is 5
[05:50] <pabs3> ok
[05:50] <ajmitch> ok, I guess this will have to be a special case
[05:51] <ajmitch> we generally number lower than debian because of syncing
[05:51] <Lathiat> oh
[05:51] <ajmitch> but since it's going to be the same package, I guess we can make an exception
[05:51] <pabs3> my plan is to upload to revu and mentors, keeping the versions in sync and adding a "uploading to ubuntu" changelog entry automatically using a script
[05:51] <ajmitch> _maybe_ :)
[05:51] <Lathiat> ajmitch: hrm, how does that work?
[05:51] <ajmitch> pabs3: why?
[05:51] <Lathiat> ajmitch: like if we make it 4ubuntu1, then youd think you need to sync when that pages is really 5 anyway
[05:51] <ajmitch> why can't it be put into debian yet? :)
[05:52] <Lathiat> ajmitch: and if we upload then it likely doesnt want to be synced ?
[05:52] <pabs3> ajmitch: no sponsor wants to take it yet :)
[05:52] <ajmitch> pabs3: well what's the package?
[05:52] <pabs3> ttf-mph-2b-damase theres a broken version in revu
[05:53] <pabs3> its also listed here: http://sponsors.debian.net/listing.php and uploaded to mentors.debian.net
[05:53] <ajmitch> aha, paul wise..
[05:54] <pabs3> aha?
[05:56] <ajmitch> aha, I spotted the upload
[05:56] <ajmitch> and I see there was quite a discussion about it on the ITP
[05:57] <pabs3> yeah, lots :)
[06:24] <pabs3> finished and used the script: http://bonedaddy.net/pabs3/files/bin/upload-to-revu
[12:45] <Lathiat> siretart: yo
[12:49] <Lathiat> oh yay vflib3 built
[12:49] <Lathiat> now daniels fixed xmkmf
[01:03] <\sh> it build?
[01:03] <\sh> how?
[01:03] <\sh> it's missing -lX11 and some other things
[01:06] <\sh> Lathiat: I'll assign my vflib3 merge to you :)
[01:06] <Lathiat> yeh
[01:06] <siretart> great :)
[01:06] <Lathiat> its because xmkmf was broken
[01:06] <\sh> no
[01:06] <Lathiat> siretart: i wanted to ask
[01:06] <\sh> it has more
[01:06] <Lathiat> oh?
[01:06] <Lathiat> it seems to work here
[01:06] <Lathiat> builds at least
[01:06] <\sh> or the MoMs version is broken
[01:07] <Lathiat> oh i didnt check moms version yet
[01:07] <\sh> aha
[01:07] <\sh> yeah..check it :)
[01:07] <Lathiat> siretart: i wanted to ask, what point would be a suitable point to apply to become a motu?
[01:07] <ajmitch> Lathiat: about 4 weeks ago
[01:07] <Lathiat> passing aroudn debdiffs with changelogs is annoyingly pointless :)
[01:07] <Lathiat> ajmitch: oh?
[01:07] <ajmitch> Lathiat: in other words, ASAP :)
[01:08] <Lathiat> ok then
[01:08] <Lathiat> so.. you'd support me? :)
[01:08] <ajmitch> of course
[01:08] <\sh> Lathiat: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12267
[01:08] <Lathiat> :)
[01:08] <Lathiat> \sh: righton
[01:08] <Lathiat> \sh: want me to look at it or?
[01:08] <Lathiat> the -lX11 thin was xmkmf, dunno about anything else
[01:10] <SloMo> good morning :)
[01:19] <\sh> Lathiat: do :)
[01:19] <sistpoty> hi folks
[01:20] <SloMo> hi sistpoty
[01:21] <\sh> Lathiat: why shouldn't we support you?
[01:21] <Lathiat> \sh: just was thinking i might have needed to do more :)
[01:28] <ajmitch> it's such a refreshing change to fetch at ~150K/sec :)
[01:30] <Lathiat> haha
[01:30] <Lathiat> what did you have before
[01:30] <Lathiat> thats what i get
[01:30] <ajmitch> 256Kbps
[01:30] <Lathiat> ah yes
[01:30] <ajmitch> so max of 32K/sec
[01:30] <ajmitch> as you understand :)
[01:30] <Lathiat> i had 256 about 6 months ago
[01:30] <Lathiat> then 512 4 months ago
[01:30] <Lathiat> and since 3 months ago what you ahve now :)
[01:30] <ajmitch> I'm sure the novelty will wear off..
[01:31] <ajmitch> especially once the 64k shaping kicks in
[01:31] <Lathiat> heh
[01:31] <Lathiat> how much quota you got
[01:31] <ajmitch> 10GB :(
[01:34] <ajmitch> ah yes, I've still got that other download going at ~80K/sec :)
[01:34] <Lathiat> heh
[01:34] <Lathiat> 80 + 150 ?
[01:34] <Lathiat> well i have 20GB
[01:34] <Lathiat> but i get the free waix i mentioned so that helps
[01:34] <Lathiat> whatcha paying?
[01:34] <ajmitch> 2Mbps connection
[01:34] <ajmitch> $65NZD/month
[01:34] <Lathiat> im nearly out of peak quota with 12 days to go, doh.. keeping my ubuntu mirror up to date has its hurts
[01:34] <Lathiat> ajmitch: ah, right im on 1.5
[01:34] <Lathiat> $69.95aud
[01:35] <ajmitch> so mine's about $10AUD cheaper
[01:35] <ajmitch> but half the data, no free peering data
[01:35] <ajmitch> because of telecom
[01:35] <ajmitch> the 10GB is because of the way that telecom provision bandwidth to ISPs
[01:36] <tseng> you silly socialists
[01:36] <ajmitch> tseng: oh yes, we love our prime minister Comrade Helen
[01:37] <ajmitch> she's Red & Proud
[01:37] <tseng> *laughs*
[01:38] <ajmitch> & ugly as sin :)
[01:39] <tseng> oh crap
[01:39] <tseng> its getting rather late
[01:39] <tseng> bye.
[01:39] <sistpoty> bye tseng
[01:39] <ajmitch> bye tseng
[01:39] <Lathiat> ajmitch: curious, whats your government structure?
[01:40] <Lathiat> since you have a prime minister, not independant ?
[01:40] <ajmitch> no, we're not independant
[01:40] <ajmitch> only 1 house of parliament
[01:40] <ajmitch> still have QE2 as 'head of state'
[01:41] <Lathiat> righto
[01:41] <Lathiat> same as us?
[01:41] <ajmitch> similar
[01:41] <ajmitch> we don't have separate states
[01:41] <ajmitch> too small for that :)
[01:42] <marc_> heaps of aussies on
[01:42] <ajmitch> marc_: and I'm not one ;)
[01:42] <\sh> today is review day...:)
[01:42] <ajmitch> although there are enough kiwis in .au
[01:42] <marc_> true
[01:43] <ajmitch> since it's easy enough to travel to .au
[01:43] <StrikeForce> thisis true
[01:43] <StrikeForce> lol
[01:43] <StrikeForce> come over its great over here
[01:44] <ajmitch> well I 'missed' canberra, if you can call it that ;)
[01:44] <StrikeForce> lol
[01:44] <ajmitch> was hoping to get there for LCA
[01:44] <ajmitch> after I got to adelaide last year
[01:44] <StrikeForce> LCA?
[01:44] <ajmitch> linux.conf.au
[01:44] <StrikeForce> ahh k
[01:44] <StrikeForce> still haven't been to it
[01:44] <ajmitch> held in dunedin, NZ next year ;)
[01:44] <StrikeForce> might have to go
[01:45] <StrikeForce> prefer to go elsewhere than visit my own state :)
[01:45] <ajmitch> so even linux australia recognise NZ as part of .au :)
[01:45] <StrikeForce> ofcourse it should .nz is basically a relative of .au
[01:45] <Lathiat> ajmitch: heh yeh
[01:45] <ajmitch> we almost speak the same language
[01:46] <Lathiat> im hoping to get my paper accepted & get travel assistence to goto dunedin
[01:46] <Lathiat> we'll see
[01:46] <Lathiat> wont be able to afford it myself
[01:46] <ajmitch> that would be great
[01:46] <ajmitch> what are you planning to talk about?
[01:46] <Lathiat> i got the RDP last year which was cool
[01:46] <StrikeForce> sweet
[01:46] <ajmitch> perth->dunedin would cost a lot
[01:47] <Lathiat> and the conference paid the year before that because i was running the ipv6 miniconf and asked really nicely
[01:47] <StrikeForce> it will
[01:47] <Lathiat> and the year before that it was in peth and i was an organiser :)
[01:47] <StrikeForce> although the prices are dropping thanks to virgin
[01:47] <ajmitch> unlike travel from sydney or melbourne
[01:47] <Lathiat> ajmitch: mdns-sd service discovery / avahi
[01:47] <Lathiat> yeh
[01:47] <Lathiat> basically what i pay to goto adelaide or sydney
[01:47] <ajmitch> ah, more networking stuff
[01:47] <ajmitch> yeah
[01:47] <Lathiat> is what the people over there will have to pay :)
[01:47] <Lathiat> ajmitch: yeh, its my thing :)
[01:47] <StrikeForce> true
[01:47] <StrikeForce> hey quick question
[01:47] <Lathiat> so anyone who bitches about airfares can die ;p
[01:47] <ajmitch> I managed to spend 2 months in melbourne last year
[01:47] <Lathiat> unless their in perth :)
[01:47] <StrikeForce> I've created a package which installs fine
[01:47] <StrikeForce> however when I try to remove it it doesn't remove :(
[01:48] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: what does it complain about?
[01:48] <StrikeForce> no complaints thats the thing
[01:48] <ajmitch> and can we have a look at the source?
[01:48] <StrikeForce> yeah no worries
[01:48] <StrikeForce> I've been adding to it since I started to give me 5 mins to finish it off :)
[01:48] <ajmitch> heh ok
[01:48] <ajmitch> Lathiat: so you're a poor uni student this year, right?
[01:48] <Lathiat> ajmitch: yeh
[01:49] <Lathiat> ajmitch: was a poor high school student last year ;p
[01:49] <ajmitch> yeah I know :)
[01:49] <Lathiat> doing internetworking & security @ murdoch university
[01:49] <Lathiat> see a trend? :)
[01:49] <ajmitch> just a bit
[01:49] <ajmitch> I was doing telecommunications & network-relates stuff at uni the last couple of years :)
[01:50] <ajmitch> flatmate is a telecommunications teaching fellow
[01:50] <Lathiat> cool
[01:50] <ajmitch> so I did a couple of years of lab demonstrating as well
[01:50] <ajmitch> the papers on network management & network programming
[01:54] <StrikeForce> yeah I also did a lintian check
[01:54] <StrikeForce> and a few warnings but no errors
[01:54] <StrikeForce> excuse big lag since I'm transferring the files now
[01:54] <ajmitch> no problems
[01:54] <Lathiat> StrikeForce: wondershaper = win
[01:54] <StrikeForce> is it
[01:54] <Lathiat> i shape my connection speed down a bit to never kill my latency
[01:55] <StrikeForce> I haven't had a good look at it because I want a full qos type system
[01:55] <Lathiat> im pulling downa nd uploading as fast as i can right now and ssh latency is minimal
[01:55] <StrikeForce> and it looks very hard to organise
[01:55] <Lathiat> well its better than nothing
[01:55] <\sh> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=410 <- NJAM -> Super Duper Hot Pacman Clone :) Please Review ,-)
[01:55] <Lathiat> wondershaper is easy
[01:55] <Lathiat> just set down and up speed
[01:55] <Lathiat> you can do more but its a start
[01:56] <ajmitch> I'm considering throttling my flatmates a lot due to their incessant bittorrent/kazaa usage
[01:56] <Lathiat> heh
[01:56] <Lathiat> kazaa? people still use that?
[01:56] <ajmitch> a 10GB cap can be chewed thru in days
[01:56] <ajmitch> yeah
[01:56] <StrikeForce> lol
[01:56] <StrikeForce> use BT
[01:56] <Lathiat> bah
[01:56] <Lathiat> bt is overrated :P)
[01:56] <Lathiat> s/P//
[01:56] <ajmitch> I'm doing the drastic throttling at the moment - iptables -m limit ;)
[01:57] <StrikeForce> I set wondershaper once before but I wanna allocate to certain port ranges
[01:57] <Lathiat> ajmitch: heh
[01:57] <ajmitch> drop everything else..
[01:57] <Lathiat> StrikeForce: well the idea of wondershaper
[01:57] <Lathiat> StrikeForce: is specifically to stop packets from queueing up
[01:57] <Lathiat> which you really wan tto do no matter whats doing it
[01:57] <Lathiat> its basically a brain dead reaction to ISPs setting real big queues so their internet connections are seen as fast
[01:59] <StrikeForce> true however I wanted it for qos purposes
[02:00] <StrikeForce> plus we are on a router here
[02:00] <StrikeForce> at home where I live (long story) I have wondershaper running on my FC box
[02:01] <Lathiat> ah
[02:01] <ajmitch> since there's probably 15-20 machines or so in this flat :)
[02:01] <Lathiat> i have a hoary box which has ethernet to a modem in bridge mode
[02:01] <Lathiat> aj scary
[02:01] <ajmitch> Lathiat: it happens :)
[02:01] <Lathiat> i have
[02:01] <Nafallo> (adslmodem) <-> (server/router/firewall/trafshap) <-> switch <-> clients/ap
[02:01] <Nafallo> :-)
[02:01] <Lathiat> 4
[02:01] <Lathiat> only 2 are on
[02:01] <Lathiat> my laptop and my gateway
[02:01] <Nafallo> all ubuntu
[02:02] <ajmitch> I count 6 in my room, only 3 are plugged in & running (breezy)
[02:02] <Lathiat> heh yeh i have ubuntu on 3, ones a 133mhz sgi indy which runs sarge because ubuntu doesnt run on mipsel :)
[02:02] <Lathiat> was trying to get my indycam going
[02:02] <Lathiat> but last kernel failed to boot
[02:02] <Lathiat> and i havent bothered to lug my sgi monitor in from the back room to find out why
[02:03] <Lathiat> that was about 3 weeks ago now :)
[02:03] <Lathiat> i should do that
[02:03] <StrikeForce> kkk
[02:03] <StrikeForce> finished
[02:03] <StrikeForce> http://www.smlintl.com.au/packages/rufus/
[02:03] <StrikeForce> look at part 2
[02:03] <StrikeForce> or the 2nd version
[02:04] <StrikeForce> since both versions have the same issue however part 2 has the menu added and other bits and pieces
[02:04] <StrikeForce> I was thinking that I probably have to add a script to remove it since its not doing it
[02:04] <ajmitch> \sh: ugly, you used dh_make, and you didn't remove all the unneeded cruft?
[02:05] <StrikeForce> btw I'm a semi-newb packager :P
[02:05] <StrikeForce> newb in debian style but bit more experiences in RH or FC way
[02:05] <\sh> ajmitch: ay..wrong package?
[02:05] <\sh> yes
[02:05] <\sh> ajmitch: what unneeded cruft?
[02:06] <ajmitch> \sh: and a broken debian/copyright - no 'Copyright (C) YEAR Author'
[02:06] <ajmitch> all the commented out bits in the binary target
[02:06] <\sh> damn
[02:06] <\sh> ah this u mean...ah come on ,-)
[02:06] <ajmitch> debian/copyright should have the 3 paragraphs of GPL
[02:06] <ajmitch> \sh: you wanted a review..
[02:07] <sistpoty> hehe, even s.o. with main upload rights doesn ;)
[02:07] <sistpoty> + 'nt make flawless packages at once
[02:08] <\sh> hehe
[02:08] <\sh> ajmitch: yes true :)
[02:08] <ajmitch> you shipped a docbook version of the manpage, and njam.1 ?
[02:08] <\sh> now I'm trying to find the copyright date ,-)
[02:08] <\sh> una momenta
[02:08] <\sh> no
[02:08] <\sh> argl.
[02:08] <\sh> damn
[02:08] <ajmitch> is it GPL 2, or GPL2 (or any later version)
[02:08] <\sh> shit
[02:08] <\sh> *lol*
[02:08] <ajmitch> hehe
[02:08] <\sh> GPL-2?
[02:08] <\sh> now let me work...moment
[02:09] <ajmitch> ok ;)
[02:09] <\sh> ah yes
[02:09] <\sh> I didn't delete the bloody resulting njam.1
[02:09] <\sh> grmpf
[02:10] <StrikeForce> lol
[02:10] <StrikeForce> you can with mine I prefer it then I know how bad I did it
[02:10] <StrikeForce> or created it
[02:10] <\sh> ajmitch: come on...it was my second package...I just found it again on my rootserver
[02:10] <StrikeForce> gives me a target to aim to
[02:11] <ajmitch> if I were pedantic, I'd be complaining about Standards-Version being 3.6.1 instead of 3.6.2 ;)
[02:11] <\sh> *censored*
[02:11] <\sh> I'll fix anything and everything believe me
[02:12] <\sh> 3.6.2.1 is debian-policy now
[02:12] <\sh> so fix all your packages please ,-)
[02:13] <ajmitch> \sh: you only need to use 3.6.2
[02:13] <ajmitch> since the 4th rev number is for typos/editorial changes
[02:13] <\sh> according to dholbach i should use dpkg -l debian-policy
[02:13] <\sh> standards version ,-)
[02:13] <\sh> teasing
[02:13] <ajmitch> at least that's the recommended procesure that I've heard from debian :)
[02:14] <SloMo> \sh: the first 3 numbers... yes ;) but not the whole on
[02:14] <\sh> ok...I can upload again with the same version number?
[02:14] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: fetching rufus..
[02:14] <\sh> or should I increase it?
[02:14] <StrikeForce> kk
[02:15] <ajmitch> I'd usually say increase the version number
[02:15] <ajmitch> however I know dholbach disagrees with me ;)
[02:15] <ajmitch> since he likes to have the first version uploaded to ubuntu to be -0ubuntu1
[02:15] <StrikeForce> only reason I did increase is for my own initial records
[02:16] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: which I agree with
[02:16] <SloMo> ajmitch: he now uses -0ubuntu0.1 for the first upload, -0ubuntu0.2 for the second and so on... and for the final, approved one -0ubuntu1
[02:16] <ajmitch> SloMo: right, he was warned against that though
[02:16] <siretart> \sh: I'd say reupload only if there are also other changes. that Standard Versions aren't that important to us
[02:17] <ajmitch> siretart: there are a number of other changes
[02:17] <siretart> ok. then increase it :)
[02:17] <\sh> siretart: there r...I just corrected all the stuff...copyright etc. and changed rules file
[02:17] <sistpoty> huhu siretart
[02:18] <siretart> huhu sistpoty
[02:19] <\sh> ajmitch: u stay now until i reuploaded...dude :)
[02:19] <sistpoty> siretart: if you take longer for the meeting, just tell me... i'll be around and working on revu2
[02:19] <ajmitch> \sh: what, not enough MOTUs around for reviewing? ;)
[02:19] <\sh> ajmitch: no...u started this teasing..now I'm teasing you until the end ,-)
[02:20] <ajmitch> haha
[02:20] <\sh> ok..uploaded new version
[02:20] <ajmitch> \sh: I prefer to call it constructive criticism
[02:20] <siretart> hehe
[02:21] <StrikeForce> sorry ajmitch about it being so slow
[02:21] <ajmitch> it's an improvement.. I'll need to grab the rest of the source to do it properly :)
[02:22] <\sh> ajmitch: u mean: ajmitch's disturbed night? ,-)
[02:22] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: that's ok, I'm going to try building it in pbuilder
[02:22] <StrikeForce> kk
[02:22] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: there are a number of things to fix up in the debian packaging, but we can come to those later :)
[02:22] <\sh> ok..kzenexplorer + ktemperature needs only one review more
[02:22] <StrikeForce> kk
[02:24] <\sh> ok...coffee and cigarette
[02:24] <StrikeForce> same
[02:24] <\sh> after that...i have to fix qt
[02:24] <StrikeForce> or for me diet coke and cig
[02:24] <sistpoty> sh: good idea :)
[02:25] <SloMo> siretart: can you try to build deng on amd64 and tell me what doesn't work? ;)
[02:25] <siretart> SloMo: sorry, I'm at work right now :(
[02:25] <ajmitch> ah no, it might be ok..
[02:25] <SloMo> siretart: oh ok... np :)
[02:27] <StrikeForce> bac
[02:27] <StrikeForce> back*
[02:28] <Nafallo> ajmitch: lvm2 dude ;-)
[02:28] <ajmitch> Nafallo: usnig it.. ;)
[02:28] <ajmitch> /dev/mapper/vg1-var 9.9G 9.5G 328M 97% /var
[02:29] <ajmitch> so I really should reallocate some of that spare space in the VG
[02:29] <ajmitch> Free PE / Size 16690 / 65.20 GB
[02:29] <Nafallo> /dev/mapper/services-postgres
[02:29] <Nafallo> 194M 58M 127M 32% /var/lib/postgres
[02:29] <Nafallo> /dev/mapper/services-postfix
[02:29] <Nafallo> 148M 4.4M 136M 4% /var/spool/postfix
[02:29] <Nafallo> /dev/mapper/services-www
[02:29] <Nafallo> 97M 6.5M 86M 7% /var/www
[02:29] <Nafallo> :-)
[02:29] <ajmitch> yeah, /var isn't the only one on LVM :)
[02:29] <Lathiat> so lvm2 lets you resize at will?
[02:29] <ajmitch> Lathiat: yeah
[02:29] <Nafallo> Lathiat: unmount, resize, mount
[02:29] <Lathiat> Nafallo: pff as if not online resizing
[02:30] <ajmitch> Nafallo: ext2resize works for me
[02:30] <Nafallo> I don't dare to try online resizing ;-)
[02:30] <StrikeForce> how bad is it ajmitch
[02:30] <ajmitch> I tested on a spare logical volume :)
[02:31] <Nafallo> ajmitch: breezy?
[02:31] <Lathiat> haha
[02:31] <ajmitch> Nafallo: of course
[02:31] <Nafallo> ajmitch: I believe hoary didn't have online resizing :-).
[02:31] <Nafallo> ajmitch: and my server is hoary main :-)
[02:31] <ajmitch> Nafallo: it did on my box - I packaged ext2resize 1.1.19 for testing :)
[02:31] <ajmitch> but never got it into universe
[02:32] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: still looking at it
[02:32] <StrikeForce> kk
[02:33] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: well the package ends up essentially empty\
[02:33] <ajmitch> so installation is broken
[02:33] <ajmitch> the only files are in /usr/share/doc/rufus & /usr/share/menu
[02:34] <StrikeForce> hmmm
[02:34] <StrikeForce> running the install script installs it into /usr/bin
[02:34] <StrikeForce> and also /usr/share/rufus
[02:35] <ajmitch> I build in pbuilder, there were a few complaints
[02:36] <ajmitch> seeing this: cp rufus.desktop /usr/share/applications
[02:36] <ajmitch> does not look good
[02:36] <StrikeForce> well I can't think of another way to put the desktop icon into /usr/share/applications
[02:36] <ajmitch> # Add here commands to install the package into debian/rufus.
[02:36] <ajmitch> /bin/sh install
[02:36] <ajmitch> install: `BitTorrent' is a directory
[02:36] <ajmitch> install: `build' is a directory
[02:36] <ajmitch> install: `debian' is a directory
[02:36] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: that puts it into the dir for the person *building* the package
[02:37] <StrikeForce> not on the install?
[02:37] <ajmitch> DESTDIR is defined as a prefix
[02:37] <ajmitch> not at all
[02:37] <StrikeForce> so I should add it to the install script?
[02:37] <ajmitch> you should use dh_install
[02:38] <ajmitch> and install using the DESTDIR variable that is defined
[02:39] <ajmitch> /bin/sh install is seriously broken as well
[02:39] <StrikeForce> is it?
[02:39] <ajmitch> as it redefines DESTDIR
[02:39] <StrikeForce> ahh k
[02:39] <ajmitch> so everything ends up polluting /usr on the build machine
[02:39] <ajmitch> and never owned by a package
[02:39] <ajmitch> which is why I use pbuilder to test building these :)
[02:39] <StrikeForce> so use dh_install to cp files for me instead?
[02:40] <ajmitch> it can do that
[02:40] <StrikeForce> yeah
[02:40] <StrikeForce> I'm reading up on it now
[02:41] <ajmitch> first, I'd fix your install script to not redo DESTDIR
[02:41] <StrikeForce> its a simple move
[02:41] <StrikeForce> so comment it out altogheter
[02:41] <ajmitch> there looks to be some non-free binary code in the tarball
[02:41] <StrikeForce> will that end up getting used
[02:41] <StrikeForce> which one?
[02:41] <ajmitch> mfc72.dll, msvcr71.dll
[02:42] <StrikeForce> well they aren't needed for linux
[02:42] <ajmitch> they are the reason your package is so big, and they cannot be distributed at all
[02:42] <StrikeForce> should I delete them and create a patch for it
[02:42] <StrikeForce> being the patch to delete them
[02:42] <ajmitch> this is a case for repacking the tarball
[02:42] <StrikeForce> or just delete them then create a deb from that
[02:42] <StrikeForce> I just downloaded the source off of the web
[02:43] <ajmitch> yes, and that is usual
[02:43] <ajmitch> but in this case you have to recreate the tarball
[02:43] <StrikeForce> so I'm unsure as to why if they are not allowed to be distributed they are
[02:43] <StrikeForce> yeah ok no worries
[02:43] <ajmitch> they can be redistributed but not put in ubuntu, I believe :)
[02:43] <ajmitch> since I'm not sure what license is attached to them
[02:43] <ajmitch> but they're still not free software ;)
[02:44] <\sh> ajmitch: where is your review? ,-) no advocating
[02:44] <StrikeForce> That is not in the license
[02:44] <ajmitch> \sh: pfft, you can wait ;)
[02:44] <StrikeForce> the only licenses are the ones in the tarball
[02:44] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: I know, remove them...
[02:44] <StrikeForce> I have
[02:44] <StrikeForce> and recreated the tar ball
[02:45] <ajmitch> thanks
[02:45] <StrikeForce> thats ok
[02:45] <ajmitch> \sh: I only took a quick look at ktemperature before getting back to helping StrikeForce :)
[02:45] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: is any of the geoip data included?
[02:46] <StrikeForce> erm
[02:46] <StrikeForce> I'll check
[02:46] <ajmitch> if so, you may run into trouble
[02:46] <StrikeForce> I would say so since there is a license for it in there
[02:46] <StrikeForce> which I forgot to add :(
[02:46] <StrikeForce> The GeoIP C Library is licensed under the GPL. For details see
[02:46] <StrikeForce> the COPYING file.
[02:46] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: GPL-incompatible
[02:47] <StrikeForce> how does that work?
[02:47] <ajmitch> it is similar to the BSD advertising clause, which adds additional restrictions
[02:47] <ajmitch> StrikeForce: for the data license, not the C lib
[02:48] <ajmitch> btw unicows.dll should also be removed :)
[02:48] <StrikeForce> I've removed all the dll's
[02:48] <StrikeForce> just doing a rm *.dll
[02:48] <ajmitch> ok thanks
[02:48] <StrikeForce> no worries
[02:49] <StrikeForce> can you find the data cause I can't
[02:49] <ajmitch> I don't see any
[02:49] <ajmitch> so nothing falls under that bad license
[02:49] <StrikeForce> seems like it
[02:49] <StrikeForce> don't know why its included then?
[02:49] <SloMo> \sh: you've a comment for njam ;)
[02:50] <ajmitch> because they included the file as-is
[02:50] <StrikeForce> ah k
[02:50] <StrikeForce> anyways time to start from scratch
[02:50] <StrikeForce> is there anything else wrong with it?
[02:50] <ajmitch> with nothing referring to that file
[02:50] <\sh> SloMo: what?
[02:50] <ajmitch> sure :)
[02:50] <StrikeForce> apart from not using dh_install and the script
[02:50] <ajmitch> debian/rules needs cleaned up of junk
[02:50] <ajmitch> debian/ has *.ex files that can be removed
[02:51] <SloMo> \sh: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=411
[02:51] <StrikeForce> the post /pre ones
[02:51] <ajmitch> yes, *.ex are example files
[02:51] <StrikeForce> wouldn't debian use them for removing files?
[02:51] <ajmitch> they are examples only
[02:51] <StrikeForce> k
[02:52] <ajmitch> that is why they are named like that
[02:52] <ajmitch> you need to build-depend on python
[02:52] <StrikeForce> kk
[02:52] <ajmitch> since the install script uses it
[02:53] <ajmitch> and the changelog needs the distribution to be set to breezy
[02:53] <\sh> SloMo: yeah...3 paragraphs?
[02:53] <\sh> of GPL2
[02:53] <\sh> outch
[02:53] <ajmitch> \sh: yes, I added a note about it on PackagingTips, iirc
[02:53] <ajmitch> or ReviewingTips
[02:53] <StrikeForce> done and done
[02:53] <\sh> oh ok...let me change it
[02:54] <ajmitch> right, I really need to get to bed ASAP :)
[02:54] <ajmitch> sorry that I can't do more reviewing
[02:54] <\sh> ok...changed
[02:55] <StrikeForce> kk
[02:55] <StrikeForce> take care
[02:55] <StrikeForce> thanks heaps
[02:55] <StrikeForce> it is very much appreciated
[02:55] <ajmitch> no problems
[02:55] <ajmitch> bbl, night all
[02:56] <sistpoty> gn8 ajmitch
[02:56] <StrikeForce> night
[02:56] <SloMo> gn8 ajmitch
[03:19] <sistpoty> bye all
[03:19] <\sh> ok..new fixed version of njam uploaded to revu
[03:24] <Yagisan> G'day
[04:26] <mgalvin> hi all
[04:27] <Yagisa1> G'day
[04:27] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:27] <\sh> hey bddebian mgalvin Yagisa1
[04:28] <bddebian> Hi \sh
[04:29] <Yagisa1> G'day \sh
[04:30] <mgalvin> if anyone has time, i uploaded some fixes for revu to my new packages... mmsrip, cegui-mk2, and gperfection2
[04:33] <\sh> mgalvin: I'm doing now some review stuff
[04:33] <\sh> well...I just fixed the qt ftbfs
[04:34] <mgalvin> \sh: cool thanks!
[04:34] <bddebian> rockin'
[04:34] <\sh> mgalvin: so this evening I have to look over some packages...
[04:35] <SloMo> hi bddebian :)
[04:36] <bddebian> Heya SloMo. How are yoU?
[04:39] <mgalvin> \sh: k
[04:40] <pef> hi
[04:40] <mgalvin> SloMo: i fixed my gperfection2 package according to you suggestions
[04:40] <SloMo> bddebian: fine :) just have some headaches because of the weather
[04:40] <SloMo> mgalvin: ok, i'll look at it later
[04:41] <|QuaD-> so i am not sure if my motherboard is messed up or if it is breezy!
[04:41] <bddebian> SloMo: Aye, I have a major cold because of the weather.. :-(
[04:41] <bddebian> Hello pef
[04:41] <|QuaD-> i haven't been able to boot into X for about a month
[04:42] <|QuaD-> since the whole X transformation
[04:44] <|QuaD-> Nafallo: my X is all messed up, the picture is just random colors, but terminal looks fine
[04:52] <pef> the Version field of a desktop file refers to the desktop file specification revision, no to the software version, right ? http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-0.9.4.html#recognized-keys (not sure of my english )
[04:54] <Yagisa1> pef: yes, that would be the spec version
[04:54] <\sh> ok...going home
[04:54] <\sh> cu later dudes
[04:55] <pef> Yagisa1: ok, thanks !
[04:55] <Yagisa1> perf: no problems
[05:00] <Yagisa1> G;day, I have a lintian override file (deng.lintian-override) that lintian is ignoring,
[05:00] <Yagisa1> It is several lines of deng: binary-without-manpage /usr/games/deng/lib/libjhexen.so
[05:01] <Yagisa1> etc, for all the libs that it wants a manpage for
[05:01] <Yagisa1> have I made a syntax error ?
[05:19] <ivoks> hi!
[05:19] <bddebian> Hello ivoks
[05:25] <SloMo> hum... can someone test whether this builds?
[05:25] <SloMo> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=342
[05:26] <Yagisa1> SloMo: i386 or amd64 ?
[05:27] <SloMo> doesn't matter
[05:27] <Yagisa1> I'll build it
[05:27] <SloMo> thanks :)
[05:28] <GazerWork> SloMo, hi!, can you re-review this http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=374 ?
[05:28] <mgalvin> SloMo: i also have it builing now
[05:28] <GazerWork> SloMo, I'm getting no errors from lintian :/
[05:29] <SloMo> GazerWork: later... first i have to fix something ;)
[05:29] <SloMo> GazerWork: what lintian version?
[05:30] <Yagisa1> Anybody help with my lintian question ?
[05:30] <GazerWork> SloMo, 1.23.10ubuntu1
[05:31] <SloMo> GazerWork: that's weird... hm, i have a second look later :) and the lintian on revu only checks the source package, not the binary
[05:32] <GazerWork> SloMo, I see, anyway, my lintian run over binary package is empty :S
[05:33] <GazerWork> SloMo, the error that you report sounds like the debian/patch files was not applied
[05:33] <mgalvin> SloMo: dirac built for me on i386
[05:33] <Yagisa1> SloMo: built 3 debs on amd64
[05:34] <SloMo> ok, fine :) thanks
[05:34] <Yagisa1> SloMo, any more ? my pbuilder is bored
[05:35] <SloMo> hm... no :)
[05:36] <Yagisa1> OK
[05:36] <mgalvin> Yagisa1: you could try building my packages if you have time... gperfection, mmsrip, and cegui-mk2
[05:36] <mgalvin> let me know if they work for you
[05:37] <Yagisa1> mgalvin: sure I build them in amd64 (not much else to do why I figure out why lintian hates my overrides)
[05:38] <mgalvin> Yagisa1: thnx
[05:41] <Yagisa1> mgalvin: gperfection2 building now
[05:41] <Yagisa1> brb
[05:42] <ivoks> jesus... i'll update my breezy for days :)
[05:48] <\sh> re
[05:51] <bddebian> wb \sh
[05:59] <Yagisan> mgalvin: gperfection2 and mmsrip build on amd64 (breezy)
[06:00] <mgalvin> Yagisan: cool thanks!
[06:01] <Yagisan> mgalvin: my net connection dropped out, I'll test cegui in a few moments
[06:06] <Yagisan> mgalvin: cegui failed to build in breezy (unmet deps in a current pbuilder),
[06:07] <Yagisan> mgalvin: and it failed to build in a hoary pbuilder (all deps met)
[06:08] <Yagisan> mgalvin: configure: error: cannot find install-sh or install.sh in . ./.. ./../..
[06:09] <SloMo> \sh: are you back?
[06:15] <pef> bye !
[06:20] <mgalvin> Yagisan: hmm, ok, i will take a look, thnx
[06:23] <Yagisan> mgalvin: no problems
[06:25] <SloMo> anybody here who wants to upload something for me?
[06:36] <mgalvin> SloMo, what do you need uploaded?
[06:36] <SloMo> a small fix for faad2 and faac
[06:37] <mgalvin> i should be able to
[06:38] <mgalvin> upload it to revu you mean right?
[06:39] <SloMo> no... universe ;)
[06:39] <Yagisan> mgalvin: I think his fix should go to breezy, not revu
[06:40] <mgalvin> oh, no i can't then, not yet anyway ;)
[06:49] <Yagisan> I give up on the override file. It can wait till later, their harmless warnings anyway.
[06:49] <Yagisan> I've been going through hoarys games
[06:50] <Yagisan> most of them seem to be one source, one binary for the data files
[06:50] <Yagisan> can anyone thing of one that is one source, multiple binaries for the data files ?
[06:50] <Yagisan> s/thing/think/
[07:01] <mgalvin> Yagisan: what where the missing deps reported for cegui, if you still have it around?
[07:09] <Yagisan> mgalvin: I think it was a gtk dep that hasn't been updated (at least on my mirror), all deps are fine on hoary
[07:19] <SloMo> GazerWork: i'll look at ceferino again now...
[07:22] <SloMo> GazerWork: got exactly the same lintian errors/warnings...
[07:24] <SloMo> mgalvin: ping?
[07:25] <mgalvin> SloMo: pong
[07:26] <mgalvin> whats up
[07:27] <SloMo> mgalvin: you have to create a manpage... even when it's such a small and simple program ;) and please extend debian/copyright a bit... it should contain the 3 paragraphs as in the source files... and something similar to "Copyright (c) YEAR, YEARS Name"
[07:27] <SloMo> mgalvin: other than that the package looks ok and builds
[07:27] <kezz> hi there, currently trying to help out with UniverseUnmetDeps (gabber to more precise). I have installed pbuilder as per the howto and have started a rebuild. the UnmetDeps page says produce a debdiff and then post it somewhere. How do I produce a debdiff?
[07:28] <SloMo> kezz: debdiff oldversion.dsc newversion.dsc
[07:28] <kezz> ah i c the command i am running is sudo pbuilder build gabberXXX.dsc
[07:28] <kezz> will that create the new version for me?
[07:29] <kezz> is there any decent docs that explains all this?
[07:29] <kezz> i saw the debian package maintainer's guide but that was more for new packages
[07:30] <SloMo> kezz: add a new entry with a new version number in the changelog and pdebuild / dpkg-buildpackage will create you a new dsc file
[07:30] <kezz> is that new entry made using dh_make?
[07:30] <Yagisan> dch -i
[07:31] <kezz> ah ok thanks
[07:31] <Yagisan> :)
[07:31] <kezz> I might write this up as I'm learning
[07:31] <kezz> then other people that want to help out can read it
[07:32] <SloMo> kezz: and for the new version number... when it's a package without ubuntu version add a build1 when it's just a rebuild or ubuntu1 when you have to change something... and when it's already an ubuntu version just set it higher ;)
[07:33] <bddebian> kezz: You might also want to look at the MOTUWannabeTips page on the wiki :-)
[07:35] <kezz> bddebian, yes i read that but still a lil confused
[07:35] <bddebian> Oh, OK :-)
[07:35] <kezz> so i get the source, dch -i to add to changelog then rebuild
[07:36] <kezz> but aren't i rebuilding the old dsc?
[07:36] <bddebian> No, you are creating a new one
[07:36] <SloMo> kezz: how do you rebuild?
[07:37] <kezz> hmm when i download the source package i have a dsc, a gabber src subdir, a gabber diff.gz and a gabber orig.gz
[07:37] <kezz> i cd'd to the subdir and did dch -i
[07:37] <kezz> then cd ..'d
[07:37] <kezz> and ran sudo pbuilder build gabber.dsc
[07:37] <SloMo> nope... stay in the directory and call pdebuild...
[07:38] <kezz> ah ok :)
[07:38] <kezz> thanks
[07:38] <SloMo> this will create a new diff.gz and dsc file and calls pbuilder to build it
[07:38] <kezz> i see
[07:38] <kezz> and they will be put where?
[07:38] <SloMo> you can do the first step by hand by calling dpkg-buildpackage
[07:38] <SloMo> they will be put next to the old ones
[07:39] <kezz> ah i see thanks
[07:39] <kezz> and i guess the new version numbers will be automatically appended?
[07:40] <SloMo> by dch? in some cases the correct one, yes... but better check the version number and correct it when it's wrong
[07:41] <kezz> i have added build1 to the current number
[07:41] <SloMo> sounds correct... what is the complete version now?
[07:42] <kezz> gabber-0.8.8 $build1
[07:43] <SloMo> hm no... that's wrong
[07:44] <SloMo> the version in the archives already is 0.8.8-5build1
[07:44] <SloMo> so just increment the 1
[07:49] <SloMo> mgalvin: just notice me when you've uploaded a new version
[07:49] <mgalvin> SloMo: ok i will do
[07:49] <mgalvin> quick question...
[07:50] <mgalvin> i have not created man pages before, where do they normally go?
[07:50] <mgalvin> when building them to i just add something to the make file
[07:50] <SloMo> just use dh_installman for installing
[07:51] <mgalvin> and should i create a -doc package or should it just go in the same package
[07:51] <SloMo> and i would recommend to write the manpage as docbook and convert it to a manpage
[07:51] <SloMo> the same package
[07:51] <SloMo> hm, look at my fatsort upload in revu for an example
[07:51] <mgalvin> ok so will dh_installman do the translation, or do i have to do it in some other step
[07:52] <SloMo> dh_installman just installs the manpage to /usr/share/man/.... and gzips it
[07:52] <mbreit> hi all
[07:52] <SloMo> hi mbreit
[07:53] <mgalvin> SloMo, good example, i will follow that, thanks again
[07:53] <SloMo> feel free to copy the manpage and just change the text
[08:02] <GazerWork> SloMo, sorry, was in meeting ...
[08:03] <GazerWork> SloMo, what steps are using to create the .deb file?
[08:03] <SloMo> pdebuild
[08:04] <GazerWork> SloMo, using orig.tar.gz, .dsc and .diff.gz only?
[08:05] <SloMo> no... unpacked the stuff and called pdebuild in that directory
[08:05] <GazerWork> SloMo, you don't apply the patch?
[08:06] <GazerWork> SloMo, the upstream Makefile install these documents that lintian report, so I create patch to modify the Makefile.am
[08:06] <SloMo> what patch? the diff.gz? sure... dpkg-source -x does this...
[08:06] <SloMo> and the patch in debian/patches should be applied while building
[08:07] <GazerWork> SloMo, oks, so you first run dpkg-source and then pdebuild ?
[08:07] <SloMo> yes... well i called pbuilder build on the .dsc file now... but when this yields a different result something is really broken ;)
[08:09] <SloMo> exactly the same lintian errors/warnings
[08:10] <SloMo> and the patch is applied: Trying patch debian/patches/01_clean_doc_install.patch at level 0...success.
[08:10] <GazerWork> sladen, i'm trying with pbuilder now, running debian/rules binary after dpkg-source does not report anything
[08:11] <GazerWork> s/sladen/SloMo/
[08:16] <GazerWork> SloMo, how can I tell pdebuild that run lintian ?
[08:16] <SloMo> no idea... run it by hand ;)
[08:16] <GazerWork> SloMo, oks
[08:18] <GazerWork> SloMo, well, now I can reproduce the error, now I'll try to fix them :)
[08:19] <SloMo> fine :) just tell me when you've fixed them
[08:20] <GazerWork> oks, thanks a lot
[08:25] <Tonio> hi there
[08:25] <Tonio> anyone here heared about a problem with kde 3.4.2 and usb keys ?
[08:26] <Tonio> I don't want to report a bug if this a local problem ;)
[08:29] <Nafallo> gaah!
[08:29] <Nafallo> mailflood!!
[08:32] <SloMo> siretart: ping?
[08:34] <kezz> SloMo, re the gabber rebuild. sorry i was afk for a while. so gabber-0.8.8build1 is already in the repo. does that mean the UnmetDeps is out of date as gabber is listed as a package that needs work and when i apt-get the source 0.8.8 $ is the version i get.
[08:35] <shawarma> Hehe.. I was just browsing the Wiki again and I found the section about letting people become MOTUs quickly during the pre-hoary period... Why is that still there?
[08:35] <\sh> kezz: it can be, that this package FTBFSed
[08:35] <\sh> so the source is in the archive, but the binaries never built
[08:36] <\sh> re btw
[08:36] <SloMo> kezz: gabber is broken... but seems to need a plain rebuild... make it build2
[08:36] <kezz> ok
[08:38] <kezz> what does FTBFS mean? if its polite enough to say in chan
[08:38] <tseng> fails to build from source
[08:38] <SloMo> fails to build from source
[08:38] <Nafallo> failed to build from source
[08:38] <tseng> holy snap
[08:38] <Nafallo> hehe
[08:38] <kezz> ah cool thanks
[08:40] <sistpoty> hiho
[08:40] <kezz> also when i've built a package with pbuilder, do the downloaded packages that were needed to perform the build removed automatically or is there a command i need to flush them
[08:41] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty
[08:41] <sistpoty> hi bddebian
[08:42] <shawarma> Does anyone know why this is still there: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/processes/newmember#temporary-pre-hoary-universe-maintainer-exception
[08:42] <tseng> shawarma: because we chose to extend it
[08:42] <tseng> shawarma: indefinately
[08:43] <shawarma> tseng: Hmmm... Maybe the title shoudl be changed then :-D
[08:43] <tseng> meh
[08:43] <tseng> i will add a note about extension
[08:43] <tseng> i dont want to make claims that we will allow it forever
[08:44] <shawarma> Of course not. I'm just saying that the way it is now, it looks like the wiki is out of date.
[08:45] <sistpoty> kezz: the downloaded packages don
[08:45] <sistpoty> + 't affect the build environment
[08:46] <sistpoty> because pbuilder uses a clean environment from a tarball for each build
[08:46] <kezz> sistpoty, i was wondering more about hdd space
[08:46] <sistpoty> kezz: ah
[08:46] <\sh> shawarma: try the command on the page of universeunmetdeps
[08:46] <tseng> shawarma: i made a comment about extension. thanks.
[08:46] <sistpoty> kezz: no, they aren't cleaned automatically (reside in /var/cache/pbuilder/aptcache)
[08:47] <kezz> sistpoty, ok thanks
[08:47] <sistpoty> kezz: but i don't know, if there's a command to clean those
[08:47] <sistpoty> np
[08:47] <kezz> rm should do it surely if necessay
[08:47] <shawarma> \sh: Huh?
[08:47] <kezz> necessary*
[08:47] <sistpoty> hehe, sure
[08:47] <\sh> shawarma: sorry...not for u...it was just for the unmet deps so for kezz
[09:01] <kezz> SloMo, ok so it built correctly and i now ran debdiff on the 2 .dsc files. What is the next step (sorry to be a pain)
[09:01] <SloMo> can the resulting debs be installed?
[09:02] <kezz> dpkg -i?
[09:03] <SloMo> yes
[09:05] <kezz> no it complains about deps not being installed
[09:05] <kezz> wouldn't dpkg go and get the unmet deps?
[09:05] <SloMo> does apt-get -f install solve it? or does it try to remove gabber again?
[09:06] <kezz> can I pm?
[09:06] <SloMo> sure
[09:21] <GazerWork> SloMo, I find the error, but I have no idea how to solve it :)
[09:24] <\sh> GazerWork: what is it?
[09:24] <GazerWork> after patching Makefile.am I'm not runing autoreconf, so, the Makefile.in is outdated
[09:24] <GazerWork> how can I run autoreconf using cdbs?
[09:25] <SloMo> GazerWork: so run autoreconf locally and create a patch from it... autoreconf shouldn't be run on the buildds
[09:25] <\sh> it's written in the cdbs book :)
[09:25] <\sh> it's easy
[09:25] <\sh> CDBS can be asked to update libtool, autoconf, and automake files, but this behavior is likely to break the build system and is '''STRONGLY''' discouraged. Nevertheless, if you still want this feature, set the following variables :
[09:26] <\sh> * DEB_AUTO_UPDATE_LIBTOOL
[09:26] <\sh> * DEB_AUTO_UPDATE_AUTOCONF
[09:26] <\sh> * DEB_AUTO_UPDATE_AUTOMAKE
[09:26] <GazerWork> \sh, oks, but is not recomended :), so, I'll do what SloMo say ...
[09:26] <\sh> no
[09:27] <\sh> I u have to patch automake.am
[09:27] <\sh> u have to do this
[09:27] <\sh> autoreconf is doing the same thing as those 3 vars
[09:27] <GazerWork> \sh, oks
[09:27] <Treenaks> or you poke upstream into fixing it ;)
[09:27] <Treenaks> except we're in upstream-freeze
[09:27] <\sh> the point is, why do u have to patch makefile.am...is it nescessary (sometimes yes, sometimes no)
[09:28] <GazerWork> Treenaks, upstream says taht he Makefile.am was made for generic use and don't want to change it only for one distribution
[09:28] <Treenaks> GazerWork: then it's not really generic, is it
[09:29] <tseng> ajmitch: spoke with lewing
[09:29] <GazerWork> Treenaks, i agree
[09:29] <tseng> ajmitch: one bug is fixed, one is gtk# (fixed in cvs)
[09:29] <tseng> ajmitch: i am very unhappy at gtk# situation now
[09:30] <SloMoSnail> tseng: why?
[09:30] <tseng> because we are in freeze
[09:30] <tseng> and there a zillion bug fixes in new release / cvs
[09:30] <SloMoSnail> can't we do an exception for that?
[09:31] <tseng> eh
[09:31] <tseng> "maybe"
[09:31] <\sh> SloMoSnail: what app isit?
[09:31] <tseng> but its a huge release
[09:31] <tseng> its been months
[09:31] <tseng> since the last one
[09:31] <SloMoSnail> \sh: Nafallo already uploaded it ;)
[09:31] <SloMoSnail> \sh: was faad2 and faac
[09:32] <\sh> ah
[09:33] <SloMoSnail> tseng: do you think it's worth the risk of breaking something?
[09:33] <tseng> i dont think it will break, but i need to test it
[09:33] <Nafallo> and dirac :-)
[09:33] <SloMoSnail> tseng: when you need help with that just tell me... i've nothing really usefull to do atm ;)
[09:34] <tseng> um, ok
[09:37] <SloMoSnail> tseng: with new release you mean 2.3.90?
[09:37] <tseng> yes
[09:39] <SloMoSnail> hm, just notify me when there's a debian package
[09:39] <tseng> ok
[09:50] <shawarma> Hmm... The automatic builds are done by sbuild, right? How do they differ from pbuilder builds? I'm asking because I was debugging the mythtv FTBFS thing, and the automatic builds apparantly failed really early while my local pbuilder build fails at the end while linking..
[09:52] <tseng> the sbuild version was some time ago
[09:52] <tseng> iiirc it failed on x breakage that is since fixed
[09:52] <sistpoty> shawarma: does the package have or'ed dependencies (package1 | package2)?
[09:52] <sistpoty> shawarma: at least at this point sbuild doesn't resolve these as good as pbuilder
[09:52] <shawarma> siretart: Yes.
[09:53] <shawarma> Whoops.
[09:53] <tseng> it dont think it failed on deps
[09:53] <shawarma> sistpoty: Yes, it has or'ed deps, but that's not the problem, I think.
[09:53] <shawarma> Just a sec, I'll find a link.
[09:53] <shawarma> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/m/mythtv/0.18-2/
[09:54] <shawarma> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/m/mythtv/0.18-2/mythtv_0.18-2_20050815-0921-i386-failed.gz more specifically
[09:54] <shawarma> You can see it fails because it tries to call some gcc command I've never heard of..
[09:54] <shawarma> hey, does sbuild use ccache while pbuilder doesn't?
[09:55] <sistpoty> dunno
[09:55] <shawarma> I think maybe it does... That might be what is causing the breakage.
[09:56] <\sh> u can hook ccache into pbuilder but it makes no sense
[09:56] <shawarma> \sh: No, I don't want that either. Do you know if sbuild uses it?
[09:56] <\sh> no as default
[09:57] <\sh> not as default
[09:57] <shawarma> Ok.. hmm..
[09:57] <\sh> shawarma: ask on -devel
[09:57] <shawarma> You can see in the build logs that the build uses ccache.. It might be mythtv that uses it directly, then.
[09:59] <\sh> but why gcc-3.3?
[09:59] <sistpoty> shawarma: why does the configure-call fail on sbuild? (why -tune=pentium4?)
[10:00] <\sh> 1. gcc-3.3 as build-dep is completly wrong...it will pull libqt3-mt and this is build against gcc-4 (ABI break)
[10:01] <shawarma> sistpoty: No idea. I have absolutely nothing to do with mythtv. I just wanted to help out and that particular bug was the top most one i malone. :-)
[10:01] <sistpoty> ah, i c ;)
[10:02] <shawarma> \sh: Oh, yes, that's bound to make something go wrong... Ok, I guess this particular bug is out of my league. I'm totally lost when it comes to C++.
[10:02] <crimsun> generally speaking, a package should not have a hard dependency on a version of gcc/g++
[10:02] <crimsun> (a high-profile exception being the kernel)
[10:02] <shawarma> crimsun: AFAICS it's because libavcodec doesn't build with gcc 4.0
[10:03] <\sh> then gcc-3.4
[10:03] <shawarma> crimsun: and libavcodec is for some reason included in mythtv..
[10:03] <\sh> but never gcc-3.3
[10:03] <sistpoty> crimsun: it must not build-dep on a specific g++-version, if it uses another c++-lib
[10:03] <shawarma> sistpoty: No, of course not.
[10:04] <\sh> if it's not building properly with gcc/g++-3.4/4.0 it should be thrown into upstreams face
[10:04] <crimsun> shawarma: does mythtv's ./configure script allow specifying building against an external libavcodec tree?
[10:04] <shawarma> crimsun: Dunno. I could look into it.
[10:04] <tseng> for the record
[10:05] <tseng> the guy who fixes mythtv ftbfs is my hero
[10:05] <\sh> lol
[10:05] <\sh> wait
[10:05] <shawarma> crimsun: All I've done so far is just download the package and run it through pbuilder to verify the bug report.
[10:05] <\sh> shawarma: it comes with an own version of ccache
[10:05] <sistpoty> hm... have you looked at the mythtv maintainer? ;)
[10:05] <shawarma> crimsun: But I'll see if I can make it use an external libavcodec. That's a good idea.
[10:06] <shawarma> \sh: Argh... It doesn't even use the system one?
[10:06] <crimsun> I know that libavcodec from upstream ffmpeg does build with gcc-4.0, because vlc uses it
[10:06] <crimsun> eww, included ccache?
[10:06] <\sh> shawarma: elmo said: sbuild doesn't use ccache...I believe him...and from the configure statement...it uses it's own
[10:06] <\sh> crimsun: ogra fixed ffmpeg for gcc-4, right?
[10:07] <shawarma> \sh: right... Ok, then I'm back to not understanding why my build almost finishes, while the sbuild one fails almost right away..
[10:07] <SloMoSnail> \sh: wtf... throw something hard at upstreams head...
[10:07] <crimsun> \sh: quite possibly; I pulled an ffmpeg cvs snapshot
[10:07] <shawarma> Argh, fsck it. I'll give it another shot. I'll get back to you.
[10:07] <\sh> w8..lemme lock
[10:07] <\sh> s/lock/look/
[10:08] <shawarma> Why does everyone include their own libavcodec? I don't get it. mplayer does it too.
[10:09] <\sh> hahaha
[10:10] <\sh> ok...first thing
[10:10] <\sh> remove gcc-3.3
[10:10] <\sh> lets try with gcc-4
[10:11] <\sh> secondly
[10:11] <\sh> libmysqlclient10 is replaced by 14
[10:11] <shawarma> If you look at the debian changelog entry for 0.18-1..
[10:12] <shawarma> No, wait.
[10:12] <shawarma> That's ancient.
[10:15] <\sh> shawarma: read -devel ,-)
[10:16] <shawarma> Just did..
[10:17] <shawarma> I'm at a bit of a loss regarding the difference between buildd and sbuild. The build log says sbuild in the first line, so I guessed it uses sbuild. Am I wrong?
[10:18] <\sh> it sounds like this: sbuild doesn't use ccache, but the buildd yes...so the buildds are build with sbuild
[10:22] <shawarma> That didn't help much.. buildd uses ccacache. sbuild does not use ccache. So buildd builds with sbuild. What?
[10:23] <lamont> shawarma: what's causing the mythtv breakage is the fact that it tries to use g++-3.3 when it's not installed on the system (no build-dep)
[10:24] <lamont> buildd uses build, and a package is installed in the chroot which diverts gcc, g++, etc and runs them with ccache instead
[10:24] <lamont> buildd is the thing that gets packages and hands them to sbuild to build. sbuild builds packages, but only what it's told.
[10:24] <shawarma> mythtv DOES have a build-dep on gcc-3.3
[10:25] <lamont> yeah, but not g++-3.3
[10:25] <lamont> and the failure is running g++-3.3
[10:25] <shawarma> Oh...
[10:25] <shawarma> Right, right.. Now I'm getting it. :-D
[10:25] <\sh> i changed the build-deps now
[10:25] <\sh> it's building
[10:26] <shawarma> \sh: You changed the libmysqlclient10 to libmysqlclient14 and the gcc-3.3 to gcc-3.4?
[10:26] <sistpoty> it doesn't build on gcc-4, i just checked... (ok, ok I'm back to revu2 ;)
[10:27] <\sh> yes
[10:27] <\sh> and added g++-3.4 as well
[10:27] <sistpoty> btw. \sh, any news about elma?
[10:27] <\sh> no
[10:27] <\sh> next time when we have TB and elmo is around..
[10:28] <sistpoty> ok
[10:28] <\sh> ah colony 3 just installed on R200
[10:30] <lamont> fwiw, the gcc-opt package diverts g{cc,++}-{3.3,3.4,4.0}, so those files always exist, but then you get no-such-file errors for (say) g++-3.3.gcc-opt (which is where the real gcc-3.3 is diverted to)
[10:30] <shawarma> I may have just figured out why it worked (well almost) in my pbuilder. It's a hoary pbuilder that I upgraded... The upgrade didn't remove the gcc-3.3 and g++-3.3 that was already there..
[10:32] <lamont> upgrades don't tend to remove packages unless something newer conflicts with it
[10:33] <shawarma> lamont: Exactly.
[10:39] <shawarma> Are gcc 3.4 and 4.0 ABI compatible?
[10:39] <\sh> hmmm...does anybody uses a xircom pcmcia isdn adapter?
[10:40] <sistpoty> shawarma: afaik yes
[10:42] <ajmitch> morning
[10:43] <sistpoty> hi ajmitch
[10:43] <ajmitch> tseng: great, so I guess we have to hold off on new f-spot then
[10:45] <shawarma> sistpoty: I see.
[10:53] <tseng> ajmitch: yes
[10:53] <tseng> ajmitch: please.
[10:53] <ajmitch> that's a shame
[10:53] <tseng> he said this week i think
[10:53] <tseng> or something
[10:54] <ajmitch> so we can hopefully get it into sid at least
[10:54] <tseng> there are real bugs so
[10:54] <tseng> but i guess its your package now
[10:54] <tseng> upload with crashers if you like
[10:54] <ajmitch> ok, I thought you meant the bugs would be fixed in a week or so :)
[10:55] <tseng> they will
[10:55] <ajmitch> if I upload a buggy package I have to deal with the bugreports
[10:55] <tseng> they are fixed now if you pull cvs and backport
[10:55] <ajmitch> and gtk# issues?
[10:55] <\sh> ah...
[10:55] <\sh> mythtv build...
[10:55] <tseng> i asked meebey if he is doing 2.3.90
[10:55] <tseng> no reply
[10:56] <ajmitch> but it doesn't use 2.x?
[10:56] <\sh> I'll upload
[10:56] <tseng> it does
[10:56] <tseng> or, better, it does now
[10:57] <ajmitch> I see
[10:58] <ajmitch> was that changed in cvs as well?
[10:58] <tseng> yes, see changelog
[10:58] <ajmitch> I'll have to grab it first
[10:59] <tseng> right
[11:00] <ajmitch> but I've got to get ready for work now
[11:00] <tseng> ok.
[11:01] <ajmitch> I 'll talk to you later then
[11:02] <\sh> shawarma: mythtv uploaded
[11:02] <\sh> shawarma: u do the amd64 stuff
[11:02] <\sh> ;)
[11:03] <chillywilly> I'm going off the Rails on a crazy train
[11:03] <\sh> ozzy
[11:03] <shawarma> \sh: It worked?
[11:03] <\sh> shawarma: it build
[11:04] <shawarma> \sh: LOL! That bug has been around for so long, and that was all it took?
[11:04] <\sh> shawarma: but it can ftbfs on amd64
[11:04] <shawarma> \sh: Ok. Why?
[11:04] <shawarma> I've never touched anything amd64.
[11:04] <\sh> because of int and long and void * to int
[11:04] <\sh> or vice versa
[11:04] <shawarma> Oh, that sort of thing.
[11:04] <\sh> tseng: call me hero dude
[11:06] <tseng> \sh: my hero
[11:06] <\sh> hahahaha
[11:06] <sistpoty> *g*
[11:06] <tseng> you rock so hard
[11:08] <\sh> MOTUs will rock
[11:10] <\sh> shawarma: u check the buildds while I'm sleeping ;-)
[11:11] <shawarma> \sh: Hehe. I'm going to bed too. I'm in Denmark, so we're in the same tz.
[11:11] <\sh> shawarma: ah :)
[11:12] <shawarma> \sh: Will you close the bug?
[11:12] <shawarma> \sh: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/741
[11:12] <\sh> shawarma: if it's build on all archs yes
[11:13] <\sh> jesus it's only on i386
[11:13] <shawarma> \sh: Cool. Well, I'm logging off now. Thanks for all your help. It's been educating!
[11:13] <shawarma> \sh: What do you mean?
[11:13] <\sh> mmx pentium4 etc. it's only for x86
[11:14] <\sh> no it's for all
[11:14] <\sh> strange
[11:14] <\sh> lets see tomorrow
[11:15] <shawarma> Sure thing.
[11:15] <\sh> ok..I'm going to bed as welll
[11:15] <\sh> -l
[11:15] <sistpoty> gn8 \sh
[11:16] <\sh> and I didn't do what I normally wanted to do
[11:16] <SloMoSnail> gn8 \sh... err hero ;)
[11:17] <\sh> anyways...I'm off
[11:50] <SloMoSnail> hi ogra :)
[11:51] <ogra> hey
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[12:55] <lamont> fabbione: util-linux built, just need to do some more testing, and then upload/merge/upload
[12:57] <BenC> lamont: how invasive are the hppa patches for other architectures?
[12:58] <BenC> I noticed most of the changes outside of hppa are related to types, do these really affect non-hppa, or is it just mostly non-changes when compiled on something other than hppa?
[01:08] <lamont> BenC: it was "scary" - so we left them separate.
[01:08] <lamont> I know that people have built i386 kernels from the hppa tree with no ill effects
[01:08] <lamont> dunno how recently, thouhg
[01:09] <lamont> back on in about 4.5 hours.
[05:13] <fabbione> BenC: i did rename some of the patches to match our name convetion. they are all at the end of the 00list-7.11 in the same order as mjg59 did push them to us
[05:14] <fabbione> so they are pretty simple to identify
[05:22] <fabbione> i didn't remove the old patches yet.. i tend to keep such big changes around easily reversible for at least one release
[06:36] <BenC> hey
[06:36] <fabbione> hey Ben
[06:37] <BenC> the acpi doesn't compile, so I am figuring out why
[06:37] <fabbione> yes i am looking at it too
[06:37] <BenC> got access to concordia, so I am doing builds there
[06:37] <fabbione> the toshiba acpi is one of them
[06:37] <BenC> the one place I found is the toshiba
[06:37] <fabbione> eheh so am i :)
[06:38] <fabbione> # CONFIG_INPUT_ACERHK is not set
[06:38] <fabbione> this needs to be N on amd64...
[06:39] <fabbione> klibc_1.0.14-1ubuntu1_sparc.changes ACCEPTED
[06:39] <fabbione> finally!
[06:39] <fabbione> we can install kernels on sparc again
[06:39] <fabbione> ok.. removing toshiba and setting ACER=n on amd64, it builds...
[06:39] <fabbione> BenC: did you get access to davis and halley too?
[06:40] <BenC> no
[06:40] <BenC> btw, I am doing i386 build
[06:41] <BenC> does the toshiba need to be working on i386?
[06:43] <lamont> fabbione: wanna test a util-linux for me?
[06:45] <fabbione> BenC: it doesn't build on amd64.. and it should on i386 at least
[06:45] <fabbione> lamont: sure..
[06:45] <lamont> deb http://people.debian.org/~lamont/util-linux /
[06:45] <lamont> it's the debian version of hwclock*.sh, I need to go make the ubuntu changes again
[06:46] <fabbione> i guess that requires a reboot to verify that it works.. but it's ok..
[06:46] <fabbione> i can do it
[06:46] <lamont> if it's happy, I'll bump it to -6 and upload
[06:47] <fabbione> lamont: happy to what degree?
[06:47] <fabbione> that it doesn't hang at boot?
[06:47] <fabbione> or that it works?
[06:48] <lamont> pretty much - It'd be nice to know that hwclock*.sh are spitting things out in some semblance of good format
[06:48] <fabbione> ok...
[06:48] <lamont> and that ocfs2 works
[06:49] <fabbione> lamont: ocfs2 will have to wait that i upload the next kernel
[06:49] <fabbione> and upgrade the laptop
[06:50] <fabbione> it's in a special setup that initrd doesn't handle and that initramfs should...
[06:50] <fabbione> but the guy that did push the patch is good..
[06:50] <jbailey> fabbione: Eh?
[06:51] <fabbione> jbailey: it's that setup in which i have /boot on IDE and / on usb..
[06:51] <fabbione> remember i was talking about sleep N in initrd?
[06:51] <fabbione> because scsi over usb takes time to init..
[06:52] <jbailey> Hmm.
[06:52] <jbailey> I have a sleep 2 after the PCI bus for the USB bus to populate.
[06:52] <jbailey> Is that not enough for this?
[06:52] <fabbione> + if / is on subsystem foo, and /boot on bar, bar doesn't get included in the initrd
[06:52] <fabbione> jbailey: in the initrd there is no sleep
[06:52] <fabbione> i didn't check initramfs yet
[06:52] <jbailey> initramfs has a sleep2
[06:52] <jbailey> Otherwisie it goes by way too fast.
[06:52] <fabbione> and as i said i need to upgrade it when i have time to recover in case of mess
[06:52] <fabbione> right now i am just too busy
[06:53] <desrt> jbailey; since switching to initramfs i'm getting a lot of warnings during startup
[06:53] <desrt> jbailey; you probably know about these?
[06:54] <jbailey> desrt: Depends on the warning. =)
[06:54] <fabbione> lamont: is util-linux enough for the clock thingy?
[06:54] <desrt> lvm
[06:54] <fabbione> or do i need to upgrade all of them
[06:54] <jbailey> desrt: AFAIK there should be no lvm warnings.
[06:54] <desrt> i don't remember exactly... but it's something about can't initialise volume group sda1
[06:55] <fabbione> desrt: LVM tends to spit out gratuitous warnings
[06:55] <desrt> nod. it certainly has no effect on my system successfully booting
[06:55] <fabbione> nope.. that's probably lvscan or something
[06:56] <fabbione> that hits automatically all the devices
[06:57] <lamont> util-linux is enough for the clock
[06:57] <lamont> mount is enough for ocfs2
[06:57] <fabbione> lamont: ok.. i will be able to test ocfs2 probably tomorrow
[06:58] <fabbione> and mount immediatly.. for regressions
[06:58] <fabbione> if there are no regressions, can you upload and i will test after?
[07:00] <lamont> fabbione: yes
[07:00] <lamont> the best part is that the diff between debian/ubuntu is now minimized
[07:01] <fabbione> lamont: ehehe
[07:01] <fabbione> Setting up util-linux (2.12p-5.1) ...
[07:01] <fabbione> Installing new version of config file /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh ...
[07:01] <fabbione> Installing new version of config file /etc/init.d/hwclockfirst.sh ...
[07:01] <fabbione> BenC: i will start test builds on ppc and ia64...
[07:01] <jbailey> fabbione: When is your next kernel upload?
[07:01] <fabbione> sparc can wait a bit given that there is no ACPI :)
[07:01] <fabbione> jbailey: soon..
[07:02] <fabbione> jbailey: and it will be my last kernel upload :)
[07:02] <jbailey> I need one with the DSDT patch in it.
[07:02] <fabbione> jbailey: than you have more or less today to give me the patch
[07:02] <fabbione> brb
[07:03] <jbailey> Lovely. That's sometime in the next 24 hours, right? =)
[07:07] <lamont> fabbione: 69 lines of diff -u atm, the first 39 of which are changelog
[07:07] <lamont> hrm... oops.
[07:15] <lamont> fabbione: I'm going to sleep now, but when I wake up, I'll see about uploading
[07:15] <lamont> or will you be done playing with ocfs2 then?
[07:17] <jbailey> Yup, bedtime here too.
[07:18] <jbailey> fabbione: When I get up in the morning I'll do a test build of the kernel. I think I have a patch that will work (It's one I tested before, but I want to do another round of testing)
[07:18] <jbailey> fabbione: I need to know how you do your massive ccache speedups, though, if possible. The build time on the kernel is bloody forever.
[07:31] <fabbione> re
[07:31] <fabbione> lamont-away: i hope i will be able to test ocfs2 before you wake up
[07:32] <fabbione> jbailey: i just use ccache in the normal way
[07:32] <fabbione> the speed up is done by export CONCURRENCY_LEVEL in your env
[07:32] <fabbione> that's like passing make -j$VALUE
[07:32] <fabbione> if your ccache is populated, you will switch to disk I/O
[07:32] <fabbione> that's up to your disk at that point
[07:32] <fabbione> and yes.. within the next my 24hours
[07:33] <fabbione> that means when i will wake up tomorrow there must be a patch
[08:06] <fabbione> RIDE THE SPLIT! GO FEENODE!
[08:18] <fabbione> mjg59: up till now the only failure i get is the toshiba ACPI on amd64
[08:18] <fabbione> it builds on i386 tho
[08:19] <fabbione> i still need to hit ppc64
[08:19] <fabbione> ia64 looks good
[08:20] <fabbione> hmmm
[08:20] <fabbione> i386 just farted
[08:36] <fabbione> the toshiba patch is borked
[08:41] <fabbione> drivers/acpi/toshiba_acpi.c: In function `toshiba_acpi_init':
[08:41] <fabbione> drivers/acpi/toshiba_acpi.c:878: error: `status2' undeclared (first use in this function)
[08:41] <fabbione> drivers/acpi/toshiba_acpi.c:878: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
[08:41] <fabbione> drivers/acpi/toshiba_acpi.c:878: error: for each function it appears in.)
[08:42] <fabbione> lamont-away: it seems that hwclock did work fine here.
[10:22] <fabbione> lamont-away: OCFS2 test passed
[10:22] <fabbione> you are good to go
[11:44] <doko> fabbione: 12708, our linux-source builds are fine building XFS modules?
[11:45] <fabbione> doko: our kernel builds with 3.4
[11:45] <fabbione> and we build XFS
[11:45] <fabbione> i have no idea with 4.0
[11:45] <fabbione> last build i did was a long while back
[11:55] <doko> fabbione: hmm, where do I set the compiler version for the debian build?
[11:56] <fabbione> doko: to do what?
[11:56] <fabbione> right now if you want to use the default compiler just stop applying the patch that forces gcc-3.4
[11:56] <doko> ok
[11:58] <fabbione> mjg59: wake up dude...
[11:59] <doko> bah, doesn't get to the modules ...
[11:59] <fabbione> told you...
[12:00] <fabbione> we don't support kernel compilation with 4.0
[12:00] <fabbione> that's it..
[12:00] <fabbione> he needs to get over it
[12:00] <doko> hmm, close the report?
[12:01] <fabbione> doko: NOTABUG
[12:01] <fabbione> it's not a supported combination
[12:02] <doko> done
[01:02] <fabbione> *** Warning: "acpi_ec_read" [drivers/acpi/i2c-acpi-ec.ko] undefined!
[01:03] <fabbione> this is on amd64
[01:03] <fabbione> mjg59: WAKE UP DUDE?
[01:19] <fabbione> AHHHHHHHH
[01:19] <fabbione> dpatch sucks
[01:20] <fabbione> the toshiba thing doesn't work, because the patch doesn't apply, and there is no error reported
[01:28] <mjg59> fabbione: Ho
[01:28] <fabbione> 2 dpatches generate .rej
[01:28] <fabbione> and dpatch doesn't catch them
[01:28] <fabbione> i noticed by mistake
[01:29] <mjg59> Oh. Fun. Which ones?
[01:29] <fabbione> one is the toshiba..
[01:29] <fabbione> i am trying to find the other..
[01:30] <fabbione> in fact the reject bit was int status2;
[01:30] <fabbione> that's exactly why we were getting the above failures
[01:30] <mjg59> That is weird. It applied fine here.
[01:30] <mjg59> Bah.
[01:30] <fabbione> yeah it applies fine here too
[01:30] <fabbione> expect that there is a .rej
[01:30] <fabbione> now it did build perfectly..
[01:31] <mjg59> Weird
[01:33] <fabbione> now it builds fine :)
[01:33] <mjg59> Hurrahj
[01:36] <Mithrandir> jbailey: is suspend to disk supposed to work with initramfs? It seems extraordinarily unstable for me.
[01:37] <fabbione> MUHA MUHA MUHA
[01:37] <jbailey> Mithrandir: works on my laptop. What problem are you having?
[01:37] <fabbione> the last rej hunk is the missing exported symbol that was causing the above
[01:37] <Mithrandir> jbailey: spits out "a" six times then sits around for a while doing nothing.
[01:37] <jbailey> Mithrandir: At what point?
[01:38] <Mithrandir> jbailey: just after loading the kernel. Checking if I can reproduce it now
[01:38] <jbailey> Mithrandir: Basically, all suspend to disk does is pokes the major:minor into /sys/power/resume or something like that.
[01:38] <mjg59> Mithrandir: "a"s are from usplash
[01:38] <mjg59> Mithrandir: Try without quiet/splash
[01:38] <jbailey> Mithrandir: So from a running system, check to make sure it's set to where your swap is.
[01:39] <jbailey> Mithrandir: If it is, all further problems are not initramfs.
[01:39] <fabbione> jbailey: initramfs is still too fast for / over scsi over USB
[01:40] <Mithrandir> well, now it resumed (As in, got the state off disk), then gave me a screen reverse-video screen with the cursor blinking on it.
[01:41] <jbailey> Mithrandir: Can you ssh to it? It would be worth knowing whether that's a video refresh issue or a fucked-machine issue.
[01:41] <jbailey> fabbione: Can you take a look and tell me where you need pauses added? Since I don't have that setup, all I'd be doing is guessing.
[01:42] <Mithrandir> jbailey: no ping, caps lock doesn't work.
[01:42] <mjg59> jbailey: There's no way of knowing for sure how long USB will take to populate
[01:42] <fabbione> jbailey: scripts/functions.. i added a sleep 5 before and after calling scsi-$something..
[01:42] <jbailey> mjg59: What's the right solution?
[01:42] <mjg59> Mithrandir: 2.6.12?
[01:42] <fabbione> at the end of functions
[01:42] <Mithrandir> mjg59: yes.
[01:43] <fabbione> jbailey: just a sec and i will be more precise
[01:43] <mjg59> Mithrandir: PM is generally broken on our 2.6.12. Wait for the one fabbione is currently building.
[01:43] <Mithrandir> mjg59: ok
[01:43] <mjg59> jbailey: If the root device hasn't appeared and looks like it might be USB, spend a while spinning?
[01:43] <jbailey> fabbione: If you look in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/functions
[01:43] <fabbione> jbailey: yes.. it's in there.. but just one sec. i am powering it on
[01:44] <jbailey> fabbione: TThe load_modules function is the one you want. Currently I have:
[01:44] <jbailey> # Give the USB bus a moment to catch up
[01:44] <jbailey> sleep 2
[01:44] <fabbione> jbailey: it's a bit after that
[01:44] <fabbione> if you can wait a minute that's booting..
[01:44] <jbailey> Sure. =)
[01:45] <fabbione> done
[01:45] <fabbione> ide_boot_events
[01:45] <fabbione> scsi_boot_events
[01:45] <fabbione> }
[01:45] <fabbione> i did add sleep 5 before scsi_boot_events
[01:45] <fabbione> and for sake 5 after
[01:45] <jbailey> And that still wasn't enough?
[01:45] <fabbione> that gives enough time for the disk to appear in /sys
[01:45] <jbailey> Oh ouch. =(
[01:46] <fabbione> i did only one test adding 5 at the same time
[01:46] <fabbione> otherwise scsi and usb-storage are probed
[01:46] <fabbione> but not sd_mod
[01:46] <jbailey> So you shouldn't need the 5 after, I think.
[01:46] <fabbione> mostlikely not..
[01:46] <jbailey> Is there no way to tell that the bus is still scanning?
[01:46] <fabbione> but since i didn't read all the code
[01:47] <fabbione> dunno..
[01:47] <fabbione> i will need to investigate that
[01:47] <fabbione> but that's not todays stuff
[01:47] <jbailey> Ayup
[01:51] <jbailey> Erp, the concordia i386 chroot doesn't have kernel-wedge and stuff installed?
[01:51] <fabbione> yes it does
[01:51] <fabbione> linux32 dchroot -c breezy-i386
[01:51] <jbailey> Doh.
[01:51] <jbailey> I'm in hoary-i386
[01:51] <jbailey> my bad
[01:51] <fabbione> jbailey: if you can give me a few more minutes.. i have almost done with concordia
[01:52] <fabbione> and i can hand over to you a kernel source
[01:52] <jbailey> Cool. I'm just going to make sure the patch applies cleanly to what I've got right now.
[01:54] <fabbione> jbailey: wait.. what you got there is ages behind
[01:54] <fabbione> you are really going to waste your time
[01:55] <fabbione> i so much have the feeling that i am going to regret the next patch i will apply...
[02:01] <fabbione> mjg59: do you have the SATA GO FUCK YOUR SELF SLEEP AND RESUME patch for 2.6.12?
[02:01] <fabbione> because the one i got yesterday doesn't apply
[02:02] <fabbione> and i don't plan to rediff all that stuff
[02:02] <fabbione> i know.. i know i am going to regret to add this patch...
[02:12] <fabbione> jbailey: i am doing the last test build for today.. and i can give you the source.
[02:13] <fabbione> it's tested only ONE flavour on amd64
[02:13] <mjg59> fabbione: Nope. I'll generate you one now.
[02:13] <fabbione> it means that it might not build on other arches
[02:14] <jbailey> fabbione: Lovely.
[02:14] <jbailey> Where do I find it?
[02:14] <fabbione> jbailey: as soon as i am done i will tell you and it will be on concordia
[02:15] <jbailey> fabbione: Do you know about how long?
[02:15] <fabbione> jbailey: 10 minutes?
[02:15] <jbailey> Cool.
[02:16] <mjg59> fabbione: Mailed
[02:18] <fabbione> mjg59: building...
[02:19] <mjg59> fabbione: Cool
[02:21] <fabbione> * Add experimental sata suspend remove support (it clearly cannot be worst
[02:21] <fabbione> than it is now):
[02:21] <fabbione> - Add patch external-experimental-sata_suspend-resume.dpatch.
[02:21] <fabbione> michele: you got your patch.. now.. next time i pass by italy, you will offer me a beer
[02:23] <michele> fabbione, let's make them two :)
[02:23] <fabbione> michele: where do you live in italy?
[02:26] <zul> heylo
[02:27] <michele> fabbione, treviso
[02:28] <michele> where are you from?
[02:28] <fabbione> ah
[02:28] <fabbione> michele: i am from Rome, but i have relatices in Venice..
[02:28] <fabbione> hey zul
[02:28] <fabbione> relatvies even
[02:28] <fabbione> i pass by that area quite often
[02:29] <michele> ok, let me know next time :) ([email protected])
[02:29] <michele> and well'have a beer or something
[02:30] <fabbione> michele: yeah.. it won't be before Xmas
[02:30] <michele> ok, let's hope I'm not in france by then :)
[02:31] <fabbione> what?? NO BEERS?
[02:31] <fabbione> jbailey: building the latest diff.gz for you right now...
[02:31] <michele> ahah
[02:32] <michele> fabbione, I'll make sure you'll have your beers before leaving
[02:32] <fabbione> eheh
[02:32] <michele> anyway... when will that kernel be packaged and distributed?
[02:32] <fabbione> no later than monday
[02:33] <michele> ok. colony 3 looks decent, I might try to install it
[02:36] <zul> fabbione: sata patch sucked?
[02:36] <fabbione> zul: yeah..
[02:36] <fabbione> i know i will regret it for the rest of my life
[02:36] <zul> figured
[02:36] <fabbione> but this is my last kernel upload.. or at least i hope so
[02:37] <fabbione> so BenC will hunt me down to death at the next Ubuntu conference
[02:37] <chmj> I'll help him
[02:37] <fabbione> jbailey: uploading now to concordia
[02:37] <fabbione> nah i will still be around till breezy release
[02:37] <fabbione> and probably after for the cluster stuff
[02:38] <jbailey> fabbione: You off kernel stuff completely?
[02:38] <fabbione> jbailey: almost :)
[02:38] <chmj> fabbione: you leaving kernel for userspace ?
[02:38] <fabbione> it's not my decision, but i agree with who made it..
[02:38] <fabbione> the insanometer is out of scale here
[02:39] <michele> fabbione, will you regret even after my delightful beers?
[02:40] <michele> home-brewed just for you!
[02:40] <fabbione> michele: the dark side of the force phear you must
[02:47] <zul> fabbione: so ill tell benc to where to get my stuff whee..
[02:51] <fabbione> zul: sure..
[02:51] <fabbione> i did merge your last stuff yesterday...
[02:51] <fabbione> it's in for the next upload
[02:51] <fabbione> but i remember you did a lot of patches while i was in holidays
[02:51] <fabbione> you didn't port them to 7.11, did you?
[03:03] <zul> fabbione: no they were changes to the ide subsystem
[03:03] <fabbione> hm ok...
[03:04] <zul> they were backported from .13 so im not sure if we want them there or not
[03:04] <fabbione> hmmm
[03:05] <fabbione> i would have to see them again...
[03:05] <fabbione> probably it's not a good idea to merge too much from head
[03:19] <zul> yeah i was thinking that
[03:20] <zul> ill send you them tonight..it was just two patches though
[03:20] <zul> both from fedora that got merged into head
[03:25] <zul> both from alan cox
[03:26] <fabbione> ok
[03:26] <fabbione> i will look at them tomorrow morning
[03:26] <fabbione> i have Danish class later
[03:33] <zul> okie dokie
[04:14] <BenC> how do I revert a changed file in baz?
[04:15] <fabbione> BenC: hey..
[04:15] <fabbione> did you already commit the file?
[04:15] <BenC> hey
[04:15] <BenC> no
[04:15] <BenC> need to revert to get your changes
[04:15] <fabbione> are there more changes or only that one?
[04:15] <BenC> just that one
[04:15] <fabbione> baz undo
[04:16] <BenC> ok
[04:16] <fabbione> note that it will create a ,,LONGDIRECTORYNAME that you can safely remove
[04:16] <fabbione> BenC: i did fix all the ACPI stuff
[04:16] <fabbione> it builds everywhere..
[04:16] <fabbione> we need to re-test build, save the ABI files and we are ready to upload..
[04:17] <fabbione> what time is it now where you live?
[04:17] <BenC> 10am
[04:17] <fabbione> do you think you can come tomorrow at 8am?
[04:17] <BenC> yeah
[04:18] <fabbione> so we can do the upload stuff together
[04:18] <BenC> 10:20am I mean
[04:18] <fabbione> and i will drive your trough the baz dance
[04:18] <fabbione> yeah..
[04:18] <BenC> sure thing
[04:18] <fabbione> and how to start the new release
[04:18] <fabbione> so after that you can take over..
[04:18] <fabbione> or almost :)
[04:19] <fabbione> we are waiting for a patch from jbailey
[04:19] <fabbione> to attach DSTS to initramfs
[04:19] <fabbione> that's the latest missing code for 7.11 in what was my list
[04:19] <fabbione> if you have more, go ahead and add it today
[04:20] <fabbione> tomorrow i will do the build orgy everywhere
[04:20] <lamont-away> fabbione: woot!
[04:20] <fabbione> if you have time to test the kernel, that would be very good too...
[04:21] <fabbione> lamont-away: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/OCFS2-1.1.0.png
[04:21] <fabbione> now gimme the util-linux crack :)
[04:22] <fabbione> anyway i am off for the next 4 hours and 30.. probably more
[04:22] <fabbione> danish class will start soon :)
[04:22] <fabbione> and i will pass by again
[04:22] <fabbione> lamont-away: in case, can you help BenC with baz while i am not around?
[04:24] <fabbione> later guys
[04:24] <fabbione> lamont-away: you also want to check that hppa still applies properly to 7.11
[04:24] <fabbione> i had no time to look at it
[04:27] <lamont-away> fabbione: uploading util-linux, then I have a task to do here, and off to the office.
[04:27] <lamont-away> will do my best to help BenC if I'm here.
[04:28] <BenC> lamont-away: maybe you can help me get my hppa installed :)
[04:29] <lamont-away> that's easier.
[04:30] <lamont-away> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/ubuntu-hppa/tree is a hoary archive for hppa
[04:30] <lamont-away> alternatively, you start with a sarge install, and then dist-upgrade it to breezy with a few well placed --reinstall's as needed.
[04:30] <lamont-away> still no d-i for hppa/ubuntu
[04:31] <BenC> I have woody on my hppa, so maybe that wil work
[04:31] <lamont-away> should - dist-upgrade to hoary, then dist-upgrade to breezy (dunno if you can skip...)
[05:36] <BenC> can someone else look at bug 3117 and tell me if that looks like an acpi problem, perhaps something with cpu frequency changes for power saving?
[05:58] <mjg59> That's an unusual one.
[05:58] <infinity> Hrm, I have a machine that does on-demand frequency scaling, and I've never seen the clock skew like that.
[05:58] <mjg59> Normally excessive work results in missed timer interrupts and a slower clock
[05:58] <infinity> In fact, most of us do.
[05:59] <infinity> I'm willing to bet mjg59 has a few dozen. :)
[05:59] <mjg59> "I'm seeing this behavior on a brand new Dell so I don't think it's due to crappy
[05:59] <mjg59> hardware." ha ha ha
[05:59] <mjg59> Oh - if it's related to spread spectrum stuff, then it probably is broken hardware
[06:00] <mjg59> The idea there is to change all the clocks slightly to reduce RF interference
[06:00] <mjg59> Which tends to break stuff
[06:01] <infinity> Spread spectrum is such utter crack.
[06:02] <infinity> When my phone rings, all the monitors in the house shake, but clearly I should be concerned about the tiny amount of RF interference from my RAM.
[06:06] <BenC> mjg59: so is there a workaround other than telling people to disable spread spectrum?
[06:07] <mjg59> BenC: Not that I know of. It's not something that's ever hit me.
[06:12] <BenC> damn
[06:12] <BenC> even google searching just says "disable spread spectrum"
[06:12] <BenC> even the NTP site says to do it
[07:51] <jbailey> BenC: ping?
[07:52] <jbailey> mjg59: Hey, something that might interest you...
[07:52] <mjg59> jbailey: Mm?
[07:52] <jbailey> mjg59: The way I'm doing the DSDT replacement, I suspect that it's happening early enough to repalce other tables if you need.
[07:53] <mjg59> jbailey: Ah
[07:53] <mjg59> Hmm. In principle that's useful, but there's very few cases where people have broken other tables
[07:53] <jbailey> 'k, no worries.
[07:54] <mjg59> jbailey: You've seen the problems some people seem to be having with booting on Colony 3?
[07:54] <jbailey> If it comes up during LaptopTesting, though, I suspect it's an option.
[07:54] <mjg59> Excellent
[07:54] <jbailey> mjg59: Blank consoles and whatnot?
[07:54] <mjg59> jbailey: Failing to mount the root filesystem and dropping to a shell
[07:54] <jbailey> Hmm, generally on ubuntu-devel@ or in the channel?
[07:54] <jbailey> I've been tring to follow the list and haven't seen much there.
[07:55] <mjg59> The list
[07:55] <jbailey> Ah, small pile of messages from this morning.
[07:55] <jbailey> I'll read them
[07:56] <jbailey> The lilo issue I know about and think I have a fix for.
[07:56] <jbailey> Dunno about the people specifying a device and it not being there. Probably just a missing driver.
[07:57] <jbailey> Anyone here use VmWare?
[08:00] <mjg59> jbailey: Oh, yes. I had an issue with a missing driver
[08:00] <mjg59> It didn't pull in my IDE module
[08:00] <mjg59> I suspect that the logic for grabbing device drivers is faulty
[08:00] <jbailey> mjg59: The list that's included is a flat list right now.
[08:01] <mjg59> jbailey: Ah!
[08:01] <jbailey> I'm going to play with autogenerating it.
[08:01] <mjg59> jbailey: Well, it's incomplete :)
[08:01] <jbailey> Which module are you missing, though, in the meantime?
[08:01] <mjg59> atiixp
[08:01] <mjg59> Looks like various SATA and SCSI ones may be missing
[08:01] <jbailey> Quite possibly.
[08:06] <jbailey> BenC: Whenever you're back, the initramfs DSDT patch is in my homedir on concordia and is called drivers-acpi-osl_attach-dsdt-to-initrd.dpatch
[08:07] <jbailey> BenC: It just replaces the current version of that patch.
[08:07] <jbailey> BenC: I have tested it booting with and without it replacing the DSDT from the DSDT.aml file in the initramfs
[09:40] <fabbione> ah finally good news
[09:42] <zul> hmmm?
[09:43] <fabbione> the patch from jb
[09:43] <zul> ah
[09:53] <zul> well im heading home
[09:53] <zul> c ya later
[09:54] <fabbione> later
[10:34] <lamont> fabbione: as you may note, new util-linux for you
[10:34] <lamont> rather, -6ubuntu1 is in the archvie
[10:37] <fabbione> lamont: thanks...
[10:37] <fabbione> i saw that..
[10:54] <lamont> fabbione: I haven't had time to play wiht 7.11 on hppa
[10:55] <fabbione> i will try a test build tomorrow
[10:55] <lamont> thansk
[11:57] <BenC> jbailey: cool, thanks
[11:58] <jbailey> BenC: Do you know when you're targetting an upload of it?
[11:59] <BenC> fab wants to get the current 7.11 uploaded, and then turn thngs over to me tomorrow, so I suspect soon after that
[12:00] <jbailey> Cool, so I don't need to stay up all night tonight watching for people complaining of things breaking. =)
[12:01] <BenC> nope :)
[12:01] <BenC> got the patch
[12:02] <BenC> any certain order that this has to be applied in relation to the other acpi patches?
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[02:55] <kafeine> khm
[02:55] <kafeine> i was thinking yesterday about some stuff
[02:56] <kafeine> how we could ease the transitions between the bootsplash, usplash, gnomesplash, whatnotsplash and the wallpaper
[02:56] <kafeine> maybe we could just make them all the same
[02:57] <kafeine> the same color for backdrop, wheter its solid or gradient
[02:57] <kafeine> and a centralised ubuntu logo
[02:57] <kafeine> which can be cropped in the gnomesplash, for example
[02:58] <kafeine> and still it would look nice if the wallpaper is changed
[02:58] <kafeine> mm, and we _could_ make some different color sets of these, probably based on some of volvoguy's wallpapers
[02:59] <kafeine> anyway, what's up with the art.ubuntu.com?
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2005-08-23-#ubuntu-doc
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[01:36] <Madpilot> anyone here? just found this --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UpgradingToFirefox10 <-- thru Cleanup; it's badly out of date. Any opjections to just deleting it outright?
[01:39] <mgalvin> eww, delete it
[01:40] <mgalvin> that gotta be from warty... security updates have already brought ff 1.0.6 into warty
[01:41] <Madpilot> it's not linked to from anywhere, so into the trash with it!
[01:41] <Madpilot> and... it's gone.
[01:42] <Madpilot> one Cleanup item down, 175 to go! ;)
[03:33] <Flonne> mpt_, http://hamsterx.homelinux.org/~rhx/ubuntu-help-formatting addresses some of your requests.
[03:33] <Flonne> Let me know if you want me to change anything else, or if you want help writing/editing anything.
[06:05] <jsgotangco> hi
[06:05] <Madpilot> hi
[07:02] <jsgotangco> jdub, can i be on planet too?
[07:03] <jdub> jsgotangco: sure, send me your rss feed
[09:42] <mdke> morning
[09:42] <jsgotangco> hi
[09:45] <highvoltage> hi jsgotangco and mdke
[09:48] <mdke> lo
[09:49] <Madpilot> hi all
[09:54] <highvoltage> mdke: lo 127.0.0.1
[09:56] <mdke> jsgotangco, any luck on styleguide?
[09:58] <jsgotangco> i havent started playing with the script yet i was too busy with edubuntu
[09:58] <jsgotangco> i will try later or just mail jeff
[09:58] <mdke> fair enough
[09:58] <mdke> i think mailing jeff is the best
[09:59] <jsgotangco> im about to burn colony 3 anytime now and install on the M2
[09:59] <mdke> ah cool
[10:01] <mdke> i'll mail the list about the pdf for styleguide
[10:01] <mdke> Sean will know something about it no doubt
[10:02] <jsgotangco> hmm nautilus cd burning won't let me select the burn speed heh
[10:51] <jsgotangco> ahhh lifeless maintains it
[08:45] <mdke> jeffsch, heya
[08:46] <jeffsch> howdy
[08:46] <mdke> let's sort out the styleguide thing while we're both here :)
[08:46] <jeffsch> okie doke
[08:46] <mdke> i was thinking you would add a "make all" target to the styleguide makefile, rather than the gnome one
[08:47] <mdke> cos the styleguide is not really a gnome doc, am i right?
[08:47] <jeffsch> i was thinking of getting rid of the styleguide makefile
[08:47] <mdke> oh
[08:47] <jeffsch> even though it's not a gnome doc,
[08:47] <mdke> whichever you prefer
[08:48] <mdke> right now I have the server calling the styleguide makefile and copying the stuff to root/styleguide
[08:48] <jeffsch> it would be easier to have it in the gnome makefile, no?
[08:48] <mdke> no problem for me
[08:49] <jeffsch> ok. that leaves the pdf problem
[08:49] <mdke> i think the address should be doc.ubuntu.com/styleguide though, rather than doc.ubuntu.com/gnome/styleguide
[08:49] <jeffsch> that make sense
[08:50] <mdke> so if you get it building to build/styleguide that will be fine
[08:51] <jeffsch> hmmm... it does already, i thought
[08:51] <mdke> certainly the make html from styleguide/makefile does
[08:52] <mdke> ok so the pdf problem
[08:52] <mdke> is it not possible to get the pdf built without java/fop?
[08:52] <jeffsch> yeah, i just tested it. in ubuntu-doc/gnome, make sg puts the files in ubuntu-doc/build/styleguide
[08:52] <jeffsch> yes, it is possible to build the style guide without fop
[08:53] <jeffsch> docbook2pdf, in the docbook-utils package
[08:53] <mdke> so can we use that?
[08:53] <jeffsch> sure, no problem.
[08:54] <jeffsch> the styleguide pdf (in theory, anyway) only gets built once per release, so i never paid much attention to it in the make files
[09:15] <mdke> jeffsch, if you're still here, sorry about that: fuse blew
[09:16] <jeffsch> wow. i had no idea you were angry!
[09:16] <jeffsch> hehe
[09:16] <mdke> ;)
[09:17] <mdke> lost all plugs
[09:17] <mdke> all well now
[09:18] <jeffsch> the other day, somebody complained about the state of their power grid. I thought to myself "hehe, my power hasn't gone down for over a year"
[09:18] <jeffsch> two hours later. bam!. no power.
[09:19] <jeffsch> that'll learn me :)
[09:19] <mdke> did i miss anything?
[09:19] <jeffsch> nope
[09:19] <mdke> ok the last question was, can we use the docbook-utils thing for the styleguide pdf?
[09:21] <jeffsch> ah wait, i lied about you missing something... hold on...
[09:21] <jeffsch> [11:53] <jeffsch> sure, no problem
[09:21] <jeffsch> [11:54] <jeffsch> the styleguide pdf (in theory, anyway) only gets built once per release, so i never paid much attention to it in the make files
[09:21] <jeffsch> [12:12] <-- mdke has left this server. (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
[09:22] <mdke> good point
[09:22] <mdke> ok maybe just build it yourself and commit it, I'll copy it to the server?
[09:23] <jeffsch> ok, I'll stick into the build/styleguide directory
[09:23] <mdke> ok
[09:23] <mdke> the html is already there
[09:23] <mdke> (on the server)
[09:25] <jeffsch> wait. how about I mail it to you? if I put into the build/styleguide directory, it will get deleted during the next make all
[09:25] <mdke> put it in styleguide/
[09:25] <mdke> or is it big?
[09:26] <mdke> tbh I think it's worth having in the repo so people can read it
[09:29] <mdke> jeffsch, what do you think?
[09:29] <jeffsch> ok, i will put it in styleguide/. it's less than 45k
[09:30] <mdke> cool
[09:30] <mdke> bing me when you have and I'll copy it over
[09:30] <jeffsch> i just committed it now
[09:31] <jeffsch> rev 1609
[09:31] <mdke> done
[09:32] <mdke> http://65.19.178.132/styleguide/
[09:32] <mdke> nice work man
[09:33] <jeffsch> so, we can adjust the projects page to point to this stuff now?
[09:34] <mdke> hmm
[09:34] <mdke> still waiting on a domain name
[09:34] <jeffsch> ah
[09:34] <mdke> gnome/ and kde/ have been there for ages, they build daily
[09:35] <mdke> just haven't got a domain name so haven't adjusted the projects page
[09:35] <jeffsch> yeah, best to wait for the domain name
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2005-08-23-#ubuntu
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[12:00] <c0rrupt_> im guessing your problem is
[12:00] <c0rrupt_> you cant get into 1025x768 resolution right?
[12:00] <ReleaseX> c0rrupt_, no
[12:00] <c0rrupt_> then
Thanks. I wil suggest to the folks at Ubuntu that they provide a easy, GUI way to change the X,org config. As root of course.
[12:01] <c0rrupt_> whats t3h prb
[12:01] <titanium> pestilence: hooray, that worked. thanks
[12:01] <pestilence> titanium: good.
[12:01] <pestilence> titanium: now, can you fix *my* apache problem :)
[12:02] <titanium> pestilence: not likely i installed linux for the first time three days ago :O
[12:02] <echylo> :D
[12:02] <theD3viL> How can i enable my infrared device?? lsusb show irDA is: Mobile Action Technology, Inc. MA-620 USB Infrared Adapter
[12:02] <funkyHat> i have a problem with certain text being invisible...
[12:02] <funkyHat> on some web pages, and also in cedega
[12:03] <pestilence> titanium: hehe :)
[12:03] <geoff__> how do i play wmv files?
[12:03] <theD3viL> geoff__, with mplayer
[12:03] <titanium> this is definitely a good newbie question: i just ran the self extracting binary for the sun JDK from sun's website. it extracted everything to some random subfolder i was in at the time. all the needed files (ie javac) are there and working. where should i move things, and how do i add them to my path so i can type 'javac' anywhere and it will work? (go go multipart questions)
[12:04] <MrPockets> why wont flash media player 7 load?
[12:04] <Revan999> I can't get it to start gnome
[12:04] <mrstarkweather> yeah, I just got linux up and running...does anyone know where I can get a patch to run doom3?
[12:04] <Revan999> it gives me some type of error
[12:05] <killahkosha> ok so I got my xorg all configured and whatnot, got it to where the resolutions are "2048x1536 1024x768 800x600 640x480" and i got my vertical/hortizontal refresh plugged in correctly. But when I load up gnome the only resolutions I can select are 800x600 or 640x480
[12:05] <geoff__> mplayer says cant find codec for wmv...
[12:05] <theD3viL> mrstarkweather, patch??
[12:05] <Goodspeed__> onaserver.no-ip.org
[12:05] <theD3viL> geoff__, apt-get install w32codecs?
[12:05] <Goodspeed__> woohooo!
[12:05] <mrstarkweather> errr..plug-in whatever I have to dl to get doom3 working
[12:06] <Goodspeed__> all i need to do is place an html file in the www directory correct?
[12:06] <pestilence> !java
[12:06] <ubotu> somebody said java was to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[12:06] <Goodspeed__> and i'll have a homepage?
[12:06] <Goodspeed__> instead of a directory
[12:06] <Goodspeed__> lookup
[12:06] <nophix> Goodspeed_, bingo
[12:06] <EBowles> how long is memtest supposed to take?
[12:06] <Revan999> I can't get X to work it gives me an error
[12:06] <pestilence> wow, that's complicated
[12:06] <theD3viL> mrstarkweather, you have to install Cedega... or doom3 is writen for linux???
[12:06] <titanium> killahkosha under monitor you have HorizSync and VertRefresh right?
[12:06] <nophix> EBowles, depends on how much memory
[12:06] <EBowles> 160 gigs
[12:06] <theD3viL> Revan999, what its says?
[12:06] <mrstarkweather> oh, alright
[12:07] <mrstarkweather> thanks d3vil
[12:07] <killahkosha> titanium, yep
[12:07] <pestilence> titanium: i would just install it in /usr/lib/java, then setup symlinks in /usr/local/bin to anything you want
[12:07] <killahkosha> titanium, I have those correct, I checked the manufacterer's page
[12:07] <nophix> EBowles, 160GB in ram?
[12:07] <Revan999> I am not sure , it moved to fast to see it all but it couldn't start it
[12:07] <EBowles> 4 gigs in ram
[12:07] <geoff__> d3vil i get - Package w32codecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:07] <geoff__> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[12:07] <geoff__> is only available from another source
[12:07] <geoff__> E: Package w32codecs has no installation candidate
[12:07] <theD3viL> mrstarkweather, .. is doom3 writen for linux?
[12:07] <EBowles> any ideas?
[12:07] <titanium> pestilence: what do you mean by 'install it'? just move the entire folder there?
[12:07] <theD3viL> geoff__, extra reposities?
[12:07] <pestilence> titanium: yup
[12:08] <nophix> no idea
[12:08] <pestilence> titanium: mkdir /usr/lib/java && mv jre-whatever /usr/lib/java
[12:08] <zAo^> which is better: xmule or amule??
[12:08] <Dalamar> hi, quick question; what kernel ver does the newest ubuntu release come with?
[12:08] <pestilence> Dalamar: 2.6.10
[12:08] <theD3viL> zAo^, what is different ?
[12:09] <zAo^> 2.6.10-5-$ARCH
[12:09] <Dalamar> okay thanks
[12:09] <zAo^> theD3viL, donno :)
[12:09] <theD3viL> zAo^, you can ask what is different in amule and emule
[12:09] <theD3viL> :)
[12:09] <zAo^> lol true m8 :)
[12:09] <Revan999> ok someone just told me to try and type /usr/bin/gnome-session after I log in to get X to work
[12:09] <Goodspeed__> http://onaserver.no-ip.org/
[12:10] <Goodspeed__> someone try that
[12:10] <Goodspeed__> tell me if it works?
[12:10] <Kyral> mrstarkweather, I know for a fact that DOOM3 has a native Linux install
[12:10] <mrstarkweather> yeah, and I was wondering where to get that
[12:10] <rob_p> Goodspeed: works!
[12:10] <Kyral> it should be on the CD
[12:10] <mrstarkweather> aight, lemme try it
[12:10] <theD3viL> Kyral, doom3 is native Linux???
[12:10] <Kyral> yah
[12:11] <Kyral> like Unreal Tournament 2004
[12:11] <theD3viL> Kyral, is it free?
[12:11] <titanium> pestilence: well it's the JDK not the jre. it has a bunch of different folders inside the main folder (bin, demo, include, lib, man, jre). for example i can't type 'man javac' and i can't use javac from any location. it's like it isn't installed properly
[12:11] <Kyral> no, you have to buy the game :P
[12:11] <Dalamar> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Doom3 has all the info on gettting it up including where to get the linux binaries .. was just reading it
[12:12] <killahkosha> How do I manually set my resolution since the Ubuntu gui thing for doing it won't let me select the resolutions I have configured?
[12:12] <theD3viL> Kyral, like Wolfenstain Enemy Teritorry... which is free
[12:12] <pestilence> titanium: very true. you will have to do some stuff to get it "installed properly"
[12:12] <pestilence> !java
[12:12] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[12:12] <zerboxx> Is there a program to help with rename multiple files similariy?
[12:12] <killahkosha> zerboxx, rename
[12:12] <pestilence> titanium: follow ubotu's instructions
[12:12] <theD3viL> Kyral, buy, yeah :)
[12:12] <pestilence> titanium: it should work for the jdk too
[12:12] <zerboxx> killahkosha: it's giving me errors, I was wondering if there was a gui type program
[12:12] <Kyral> theD3viL, you have to buy it, but like UT2k4 the Linux Installer is on the CD
[12:13] <titanium> pestilence: i tried the wiki guide, it says to convert the .bin into a .deb but i tried that and it fails horribly. it says in the wiki "you may get this error, do this to fix it". i get the error and doing what it says to fix it didn't fix it. :P
[12:13] <juanej> anyone using xine?
[12:13] <theD3viL> Kyral, on the CD? Which CD?
[12:13] <juanej> how do i load .srt subtitles with xine-ui?
[12:13] <Kyral> the INSTALL CD
[12:14] <Kyral> you have to buy the game
[12:14] <theD3viL> Kyral, aha...but i must buy for Windows??
[12:14] <Kyral> yes
[12:14] <Kyral> its all in one box
[12:15] <theD3viL> Kyral, tnx :)
[12:15] <Kyral> see see?
[12:15] <Kyral> all in one box!
[12:15] <Kyral> you'll prolly have to mount it and execute the thing manually though
[12:16] <Goodspeed__> export EDITOR=gedit && sudo crontab -e
[12:16] <Goodspeed__> what does this mean?
[12:16] <Goodspeed__> and how would i do this in terminal?
[12:16] <Kyral> ....
[12:16] <Elsidox> can anyone tell me what packages I need for x to start?
[12:16] <Goodspeed__> im following ubuntuguide
[12:16] <theD3viL> Kyral, i hope ut2k4 dont install cedega or stuff..for emulating
[12:16] <Goodspeed__> and it told me to do that
[12:16] <jogariga> i bought a dlink g630 for my powerbook? how can i get it to work?
[12:17] <Kyral> Goodspeed_, cut and paste it into a terminal
[12:17] <Kyral> it IS a terminal command
[12:17] <Kyral> theD3viL, nope, it didn't for me
[12:17] <theD3viL> Kyral, ql then..
[12:17] <Elsidox> can anyone tell me what packages I need for x to start??
[12:17] <Goodspeed__> but i dont have gedit
[12:17] <c0rrupt_> o..0
[12:17] <Kyral> Do you run GNOME?
[12:17] <deltron> apt-get install gedit
[12:17] <Kyral> Or KDE?
[12:17] <deltron> hehe
[12:18] <Goodspeed__> i have a server install of ubuntu
[12:18] <jensb> stupid newbie question: I added universe and multiverse to the package sources, but synaptic doesn't list stuff like mpg123... what am I doing wrong?
[12:18] <omeg> I have a default Ubuntu 5.04 installation. How would I be able to run KDE on it, since I want to see how that UI works?
[12:18] <Kyral> O_O
[12:18] <nickrud> Elsidox, at a minimum, x-window-system-core, and a window manager (xfce4 or twm, for example)
[12:18] <Kyral> wow
[12:18] <Goodspeed__> haha
[12:18] <Goodspeed__> that threw you for a loop
[12:18] <caldwell_> when i boot with the breezy 2.6.12-amd64-generic kernel i get the following error and kernel panic. any ideas?
[12:18] <caldwell_> /bin/sh: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:18] <caldwell_> Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[12:18] <Elsidox> nickrud thank you.
[12:18] <Kyral> omeg, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:18] <theD3viL> Someone know how to enable infrared?
[12:18] <omeg> thanks
[12:18] <omeg> Would that make it default?
[12:18] <Kyral> Goodspeed_, then do you have nano? :P
[12:18] <omeg> Or would I have the choice of selecting it at user boot?
[12:19] <Goodspeed__> yea but when i do that i get a blank document
[12:19] <caldwell_> i've mkinitrd'd several initrd images, but the same thing happens on all
[12:19] <Kyral> omeg, KDM will come up somewhere in the middle and ask you
[12:19] <omeg> Wow, 300 MB
[12:19] <caldwell_> if i boot 2.6.11, it's fine
[12:19] <Kyral> Goodspeed_, prolly means nothing is there
[12:19] <Kyral> ie: New document
[12:19] <omeg> Wait, so everytime I log on, it will ask me if I want Gnome or KDE?
[12:19] <Kyral> omeg, no
[12:19] <Goodspeed__> but it says theres supposed to be a file there
[12:19] <Goodspeed__> try running it and see what it does
[12:19] <omeg> It'll just set a default during installation, then
[12:20] <Kyral> you will be able to hit the "sessions" menu and pick if you wish
[12:20] <omeg> Aha
[12:20] <omeg> That's nice.
[12:20] <Kyral> but it will log you into whatever you used last
[12:20] <omeg> Are there any other UIs I can download? Like very low-resource ones?
[12:20] <Kyral> Goodspeed_, I think that assumes you had a normal install
[12:20] <Kyral> omeg, fluxbox, Enlightenment, XFCE, blackbox...
[12:21] <caldwell_> any ideas?
[12:21] <titanium> anyone recently install the JDK in ubuntu?
[12:21] <omeg> Do you know the commands for me to apt-get those, or could I find stuff like that in the Wiki?
[12:21] <Kyral> omeg, generally just the name
[12:21] <Kyral> so like sudo apt-get install fluxbox
[12:21] <omeg> Okay
[12:21] <omeg> Thanks
[12:21] <omeg> :)
[12:21] <Kyral> so like sudo apt-get install xfce
[12:21] <pestilence> omeg: you prolly want xfce4
[12:22] <Kyral> if it borks, then do an apt-cache search for it
[12:22] <pestilence> omeg: as in, sudo apt-get install xfce4
[12:22] <omeg> Yeah, alright.
[12:22] <jogariga> does anyone know how to install a dlink wireless card in ubuntu using a powerbook?
[12:22] <omeg> 50% for Kubuntu... nice fast servers
[12:22] <nophix> how long time should a normal fsck.ext3 take for a 77GB partition?
[12:23] <vladuz976> anybody know how to transfer a domain to a desired server after purchasing?
[12:24] <LinuxJones> vladuz976, usually the isp hosting your website can change your dns for a small fee
[12:24] <vladuz976> LinuxJones, can i do it myself
[12:25] <LinuxJones> vladuz976, ok
[12:26] <Goodspeed__> how do i add something to startup?
[12:26] <Goodspeed__> or how do i add a script
[12:26] <Goodspeed__> so i dont ahve to type
[12:26] <Goodspeed__> a long string of comamnds
[12:26] <Goodspeed__> to start my cs server?
[12:26] <Ex-Cyber> how should I go about diagnosing unreliable/inconsistent performance on a dialup link? the connection seems to stall and drop to < 1KB/s routinely
[12:27] <Goodspeed__> so i dont have to type ./srchds_run -command -game cstrike -maxplayers 28 -map cs_assault
[12:27] <Goodspeed__> eveyrtime i want to start my server??
[12:27] <LinuxJones> Goodspeed__, does it require sudo to run the server ?
[12:27] <Goodspeed__> negative
[12:27] <Goodspeed__> i created a new user
[12:27] <Goodspeed__> to for the server
[12:27] <Goodspeed__> srds
[12:27] <Ex-Cyber> in fact, according to aptitude it seems to be dropping to exactly 891 bytes/sec
[12:27] <codecaine> what's the command to show if a package is installed
[12:27] <codecaine> ?
[12:27] <nickrud> titanium, it's been a while, but I used these instructions for java sdk: http://martinfowler.com/bliki/DebianJava.html
[12:28] <LinuxJones> Goodspeed__, you can create an alias for it called startcs or whatever and it will run the commands for you
[12:28] <rob_p> vladuz976: As long as the entity which you purchased it from, has a way for users to change the primary and secondary nameservers for their domains, you can do it yourself.
[12:28] <Concord_Dawn> howdy everyone
[12:28] <Concord_Dawn> after another fscking GRUB reinstall
[12:28] <Goodspeed__> is there a tutorial for that?
[12:28] <nickrud> titanium, I used those on ubuntu.
[12:28] <Concord_Dawn> I'm back.
[12:28] <steven__> hey can somebody make me a favor
[12:28] <vladuz976> rob_p, i am sure they have that, but i just put the server's ip in? i only have an account on that server, it is not mine
[12:29] <LinuxJones> Goodspeed__, put the command in ~/.bashrc there is an aliases section in there commented out for an example
[12:29] <Goodspeed__> permission denied?
[12:29] <rob_p> vladuz976: You need to make sure that the nameservers to which you point your domain, are authoritative for your domain.
[12:30] <LinuxJones> Goodspeed__, in your users home directory
[12:30] <phayded> need some help with php-mysql, lemme know if ya got time
[12:30] <Goodspeed__> ah ha!
[12:30] <LinuxJones> Goodspeed__, don't do it as root either :)
[12:30] <vladuz976> rob_p, ok, thanks
[12:30] <steven__> can somebody tell me if you see the phpinfo in 200.69.160.211
[12:30] <rob_p> vladuz976: This means that they must have a zone file on record for your domain. Anyway, good luck!
[12:31] <codecaine> anyone in here tell me what command to use to see if a package is installed or not? besides synaptic
[12:31] <Goodspeed__> i logged and logged back on under the user and i still get permission denied
[12:31] <codecaine> or aptitude
[12:32] <titanium> i just got the jdk rpm and used alien to make a .deb, and then dpkg -i to install it... it's done and it didn't install it worth a damn. no manpages installed, nothing added to path, etc...
[12:32] <nickrud> codecaine, apt-cache policy <pkg>
[12:32] <mhz> has anyone here EVER synced a SonyEriccson T637??
[12:32] <codecaine> nickrud, thx
[12:32] <steven__> can somebody tell me if you see the phpinfo in 200.69.160.211
[12:32] <mhz> has anyone here EVER synced a SonyEriccson T637 (IrDA)??
[12:33] <steven__> mhz: what is the meaning of sync
[12:33] <ubuntu> hello
[12:33] <LinuxJones> ubuntu, welcome
[12:33] <ubuntu> thx
[12:33] <mhz> steven__: syncronize
[12:34] <codecaine> they
[12:34] <codecaine> they've got mysql 5.0 not php 5 yet though in testing
[12:34] <shentu> join #ubuntu
[12:34] <shentu> hello
[12:34] <robotgeek> mhz: irda, i dunno...though, bluetooth has been done
[12:34] <phayded> can someone help me. I'm trying to setup phpWebSite for a user on my webserver (apache2, php4, mysql). Everytime i try to configure phpWebSite, it tells me that i dont have the mysql php modules installed (which i beleive they are, i can use phpmyadmin to control mysql threw that php webpage)
[12:35] <codecaine> sure
[12:35] <codecaine> make sure you install php4-mysql
[12:35] <mhz> robotgeek: hmmm, bluetooh, eh? Ok, I give up. I'll have to buy a USB bluetooth sthing :)
[12:35] <shentu> anybody knows the root password after a fresh install of ubuntu?
[12:35] <phayded> i did, multiple times
[12:35] <nickrud> shentu, none.
[12:36] <phayded> wasnt sure if order mattered to i apt-get many differnt ways both that and php4
[12:36] <nickrud> !rootsudo
[12:36] <ubotu> I heard rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:36] <shentu> thanks nickrud
[12:36] <mhz> robotgeek: plug and play? or it took a while?
[12:36] <robotgeek> mhz: i don't know if the irda on my laptop is supported even!
[12:36] <mhz> robotgeek: hehehe, me too
[12:36] <codecaine> shentu, you need to create on eif you want
[12:36] <robotgeek> btw, does anyone have a powerbook Tibook , and knows if the inbuilt microphone works/ or is supported by ubuntu?
[12:37] <Chaotic_Reality> does anyone here use thunderbird? i checked the option to remember my password, but i changed my password and now it won't authenticate to the mail server and i'm not sure how to clear the password, or change it.
[12:37] <shentu> hi codecaine
[12:37] <Chaotic_Reality> tried recreating the account to no avail
[12:37] <robotgeek> Chaotic_Reality: go to options, advanced, password
[12:38] <shentu> do you know the root password after a fresh install?
[12:38] <codecaine> shentu, hi
[12:38] <shentu> I cannot config my system right after the fresh install.
[12:39] <Chaotic_Reality> robotgeek, not there, but it lead me in the right place. heh edit->preferenced->advanced
[12:39] <DanteAlighieri> don't you just need to set the root pword?
[12:39] <shentu> yes
[12:39] <DanteAlighieri> so set it via sudo
[12:39] <robotgeek> Chaotic_Reality: :)
[12:41] <Goodspeed__> how do i run .bashrc
[12:41] <vladuz976> how can i transform fc3 rpms to dpkg ?
[12:41] <shentu> DanteAlighieri, how to use sudo,
[12:41] <Goodspeed__> if i get permission denied
[12:41] <Goodspeed__> ?
[12:41] <DanteAlighieri> !sudo
[12:41] <ubotu> rumour has it, sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:41] <nickrud> Goodspeed__, you don't run bashrc, it's read whenever you log into a terminal
[12:42] <nickrud> Goodspeed__, if you want to reread it, do source ~/.bashrc
[12:42] <ian> anyone have tomboy working in hoary?
[12:43] <laxise> hi here ... just a small question ... if i wanna untar something ... what is the easiest comman to untar a directory to a new directory in the same folder
[12:44] <phayded> if a php webpage is tell me that i dont have the mysql php libraries installed, but another php mysql program (phpmyadmin) works with mysql, does that mean i have the libraries and theres another problem?
[12:44] <n1xt3r> Goodspeed: . ~/.bashrc
[12:44] <FR500> laxise: i would mkdir, then go to the directory and then tar zxvf /location/of/file/file
[12:44] <laxise> thx
[12:45] <PlutoPrime> New ATI drivers released today
[12:45] <shentu> thanks guys, got how to use sudo.
[12:45] <ginipig> hi guys, does anyone know if the apt-sources are primarily non-responsive or crazily slow?
[12:46] <Concord_Dawn> is there anyway to force logout a user?
[12:46] <ginipig> Concord_Dawn: hah, i asked the same q yesterday
[12:47] <Goodspeed__> nick i type that and i get permission denied
[12:47] <Goodspeed__> i need to add an alias to taht
[12:47] <ginipig> Concord_Dawn: no useful advice besides killing all shells that they're using
[12:47] <Concord_Dawn> hm.
[12:47] <Goodspeed__> according to jones
[12:47] <Concord_Dawn> tbh
[12:47] <Concord_Dawn> that's a crappy way of doing it
[12:47] <ginipig> Concord_Dawn: well, duh :)
[12:47] <Concord_Dawn> lol
[12:47] <Concord_Dawn> any way to boot a user of SSH?
[12:47] <Concord_Dawn> like force close their SSH session?
[12:48] <nickrud> Goodspeed__, ls -l ~/.bashrc, post just the answering line
[12:48] <FR500> Concord_Dawn: only one?
[12:48] <redguy> Concord_Dawn: there was a package in Debian in the lines of slash slay or something like that, it would killa all processes belonging to a user
[12:48] <ginipig> Concord_Dawn: /etc/init.d/ssh stop
[12:48] <robotgeek> Concord_Dawn: kill the ssh process for that user
[12:48] <FR500> ginipig: better restart
[12:48] <Concord_Dawn> tbh
[12:48] <Goodspeed__> it says /home/srds/.bashrc
[12:48] <ginipig> tbh
[12:48] <Concord_Dawn> There's gotta be better ways to do that.
[12:48] <ginipig> FR500: yeah
[12:49] <nickrud> Goodspeed__, I think I saw someone reminding you not to edit .bashrc as root, I wanted to check the permissions. There's more on that line
[12:49] <redguy> Concord_Dawn: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/slay.html see if its availible in Ubuntu
[12:49] <ian> anyone here use tomboy?
[12:49] <Goodspeed__> negative and im not under root
[12:50] <nickrud> -rw-r--r-- 1 aias aias 1523 2005-08-03 21:29 /home/aias/.bashrc
[12:50] <nickrud> that's mine, you should have similar, with srds in place of aias
[12:50] <Concord_Dawn> redguy, looks like it.
[12:50] <Concord_Dawn> There's nothing that says it isn't....
[12:51] <Goodspeed__> wait i typed nano .bashrc
[12:51] <Goodspeed__> so now can i add aliases?
[12:51] <Goodspeed__> i can open the file that way
[12:51] <nickrud> Goodspeed__, yes, that's how you add aliases :)
[12:51] <Goodspeed__> lol
[12:51] <Goodspeed__> ok
[12:51] <Goodspeed__> now how do i add aliases
[12:51] <Goodspeed__> i was told i need to do them
[12:52] <Goodspeed__> because i whenever i run my cs server
[12:52] <Goodspeed__> i need to type a long string of commands
[12:52] <nickrud> a good one: alias ac='apt-cache'
[12:52] <Goodspeed__> to start it
[12:52] <laxise> FR500: u wrote about tar to me ... what is the option -f for?? i read the man but did not become wiser
[12:52] <nickrud> so, put the commands you want to the right of the equals sign (between the ticks), and the command you want to use to the left
[12:52] <Goodspeed__> ahhh k
[12:53] <gilv> is there a program to convert rtf file into html ?
[12:53] <redguy> nickrud: it tells tar to read from a file
[12:53] <redguy> nickrud: since tar is something like Tape ARchiver
[12:53] <DanteAlighieri> gilv: can't OpenOffice do that?
[12:53] <nickrud> redguy?
[12:53] <redguy> nickrud?
[12:54] <nickrud> lol
[12:54] <gilv> DanteAlighieri: i found unrtf
[12:54] <laxise> does anyone know for what for the -f option in command tar is???
[12:54] <Goodspeed__> ok so this is what I do to start my half life 2 server i go to /usr/bin/steam/srcs_1/ and then i type ./srds_run -command -game cstrike -maxplayers 28
[12:54] <Goodspeed__> how do i do taht as an alias?
[12:54] <phayded> when say a php web site calls the mysql server to connect, does it try threw port 3306?
[12:54] <DanteAlighieri> [1538] <redguy> nickrud: it tells tar to read from a file
[12:54] <surfdue> how do i find out if im using xorg or xfree
[12:54] <surfdue> is hoary using xorg or xfree?
[12:55] <DanteAlighieri> nm
[12:55] <robotgeek> surfdue: xorg
[12:55] <funkyHat> xorg
[12:55] <redguy> nickrud: delay that explanation, -f specifies the file, the default is STDOUT
[12:55] <nickrud> hm, maybe alias hl='cd /usr/bin/steam/srcs_1/ && ./srds_run -command -game cstrike -maxplayers 28'
[12:55] <surfdue> command not found
[12:55] <zyros> d
[12:55] <Goodspeed__> sounds good
[12:55] <redguy> DanteAlighieri: huh?
[12:55] <Goodspeed__> so then if i type hl it would run that?
[12:56] <Goodspeed__> and do i just put that at the bottom of .bashrc?
[12:56] <rob_p> Concord_Dawn: You could do something like the following: ps aux | grep sshd | egrep '^username' which would get the process number of the ssh connection associated with username. Then just kill that process.
[12:56] <nickrud> Goodspeed__, yes, and yes
[12:56] <Goodspeed__> sweet
[12:56] <SnakeBite> how can i see STDOUT or STDERR of some program?
[12:56] <DanteAlighieri> redguy: nm, I was repeating something you said to nikrud for the benefit of laxise
[12:56] <surfdue> can someone tell me a dvd player
[12:56] <titanium> how can i check how much disk space i have free through ssh?
[12:56] <redguy> DanteAlighieri: ah I can see it now
[12:56] <nickrud> ah :)
[12:57] <sorush20> hellllooooooooooooo
[12:57] <rob_p> titanium: df -h
[12:57] <sorush20> I'm back after two days..
[12:57] <sorush20> anyone here had problems with ndiswrapper
[12:57] <rox_> i have a quick question
[12:57] <vladuz976> anyone know how to change displaymanger?
[12:58] <sorush20> It turns out to get the card working you have to change four 0 (zeros) into four 1 (ones)
[12:58] <rox_> i'm installing my video driver and its telling me to exit the x server but when i did that it practically restarted my computer and i had to log back in...
[12:58] <nickrud> vladuz976, which one do you want?
[12:58] <titanium> rob_p: thanks
[12:58] <vladuz976> nickrud, e17 entrance
[12:58] <EBowles> how long is mtest supposed to take with 4 gigs of ram?
[12:58] <rob_p> titanium: No prob :-)
[12:58] <vladuz976> nickrud, i installed it and it comes with a /etc/init.d/entrance file, i just don't know how to use it
[12:59] <nickrud> vladuz976, check for an Sxxentrance file in /etc/rc2.d first
[12:59] <rox_> does anyone know how to exit the x server so i can install my graphics card?
[01:00] <vladuz976> nickrud, not there
[01:00] <funkyHat> rox_, is it an nvidia card?
[01:00] <rox_> yep
[01:00] <rox_> the readme just says exit the x server
[01:00] <vladuz976> S99entrance there
[01:00] <funkyHat> have you tried the ubuntu nvidia drivers?
[01:00] <vladuz976> nickrud, sorry
[01:00] <nickrud> vladuz976, then, do you have S13gdm in rc2.d?
[01:00] <rox_> i wasnt aware there were some, i'll look for them
[01:00] <phayded> can anyone drop a webpage/tutorial on reconfiguring php4, or upgrading php-4.3 to php-4.4?
[01:00] <vladuz976> correct
[01:01] <vladuz976> nickrud, correct
[01:01] <funkyHat> ( rox_ synaptic, install nvidia-glx, and do the command it tells you to do in the description of that package)
[01:01] <nickrud> vladuz976, then, exit your desktop, press ctrl-alt-f1, log in, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop, then sudo /etc/init.d/entrance start
[01:01] <nickrud> vladuz976, should work ;)
[01:02] <surfdue> im using xfce
[01:02] <rox_> wooo i got it thanks funky i hope this works!
[01:02] <surfdue> i cant find sympathic package manager
[01:02] <surfdue> how do i start it
[01:02] <Shindon_M> what's the difference between the 3 Sound System ALSA, OSS and ESD and which is the best??
[01:03] <funkyHat> surfdue, system > administration > synaptic package manager
[01:03] <EBowles> how long is memtest supposed to take with 4 gigs of ram?
[01:03] <nickrud> surfdue, you can run run sudo synaptic from a terminal inside xfce4
[01:03] <funkyHat> Shindon_M, there are lots of differences, and, well, the best one is whichever one happens to work for you ;)
[01:03] <Shindon_M> ok well thx *G*
[01:04] <funkyHat> oh, sorry surfdue didn't realise you were on xfce
[01:04] <nickrud> Shindon_M, OSS is depreciated, alsa is the kernel modules for sound, and esd is a stream mixer that uses alsa
[01:04] <surfdue> !dvd
[01:04] <ubotu> I heard dvd is There are many good free players for linux. Totem is installed in Ubuntu by default add totem-xine and voila! - Mplayer, XINE, VLC (Cross platform) are also very good. gstreamer-totem
[01:04] <vladuz976> nickrud, why do i have to exit desktop?
[01:04] <funkyHat> esd sucks for me. >1 second delay :/
[01:04] <surfdue> how do i get there on xfce
[01:04] <rox_> wooo thanks funky!
[01:04] <libanes> ubuntu-es?
[01:04] <nickrud> vladuz976, because you're gonna run a new desktop.
[01:04] <vladuz976> nickrud, oh you mean exit, then exit dgm then log in on console
[01:04] <nickrud> vladuz976, yeah
[01:04] <vladuz976> nickrud, got it
[01:04] <surfdue> i start totem
[01:05] <surfdue> but it wont play dvds
[01:05] <vladuz976> nickrud, brb then
[01:05] <funkyHat> surfdue, gksudo synaptic in a terminal window will bring it up
[01:05] <redguy> Shindon_M: ESD is a sound *daemon* it needs either alsa or oss to work. OSS is kindof deprecated.
[01:05] <surfdue> i dont know how to open it
[01:05] <auk> !encrypt
[01:05] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, auk
[01:05] <auk> !crypt
[01:05] <Shindon_M> ok
[01:06] <Shindon_M> so OSS is the best choice
[01:06] <redguy> surfdue: totem sucks, try mplayer or xine
[01:07] <surfdue> k
[01:07] <NoUse> xine has the best support for DVD menus I believe
[01:07] <redguy> Shindon_M: not really, ALSA is newer than OSS
[01:07] <nickrud> Shindon_M, no, if you can get your apps to use alsa directly, you're better off. Some sound cards do it easily, some are much harder to set up.
[01:07] <athlon> anyone know any media player that support idx-sub subtitles ?
[01:07] <athlon> tried xine and mplayer, doesnt seem to work
[01:07] <surfdue> no such mplayer or package
[01:07] <surfdue> xine
[01:07] <QMario> How was everyone's day?
[01:08] <nickrud> !sound
[01:08] <ubotu> sound is, like, totally, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063 or http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/
[01:08] <EBowles> how long is memtest supposed to take with 4 gigs of ram?
[01:08] <Shindon_M> i had problems with cedega i had to kill my ESD sound system in order to get sound in Cedega games
[01:08] <reiki> !java
[01:08] <ubotu> I guess java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[01:08] <nickrud> Shindon_M, those ubotu links will help with your cedega problem
[01:08] <Shindon_M> thanks
[01:08] <surfdue> !mplayer
[01:08] <ubotu> surfdue: I give up, what is it?
[01:08] <surfdue> i dont know
[01:08] <QMario> !Botsnack
[01:08] <ubotu> thanks qmario :)
[01:08] <surfdue> u tell me
[01:08] <QMario> !DVD
[01:08] <ubotu> I heard dvd is There are many good free players for linux. Totem is installed in Ubuntu by default add totem-xine and voila! - Mplayer, XINE, VLC (Cross platform) are also very good. gstreamer-totem
[01:09] <QMario> !libdvdcss
[01:09] <ubotu> QMario: Do they come in packets of five?
[01:09] <surfdue> how do i install mplayer!
[01:09] <Concord_Dawn> lol
[01:09] <surfdue> dammit people
[01:09] <surfdue> lol
[01:09] <Concord_Dawn> !libdvd
[01:09] <ubotu> Concord_Dawn: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[01:09] <redguy> surfdue: you should enable universe and/or multiverse to get these i think
[01:09] <QMario> !multimedia
[01:09] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, multimedia is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[01:09] <surfdue> i have universe
[01:09] <nickrud> !libdvdcss2
[01:09] <ubotu> nickrud: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[01:09] <Blazer_ES> Hello
[01:09] <QMario> Ubotu, tell surfdue about multimedia.
[01:09] <redguy> !tell surfdue about multimedia
[01:09] <redguy> hah
[01:10] <QMario> Redguy, it has already been done. ;)
[01:10] <QMario> Redguy, how was your day?
[01:10] <Blazer_ES> My install progress still freezes at 12% when creating the partition ext3
[01:10] <rob_p> EBowles: Are you using Memtest86 per chance? If so, it will execute indefinitely making passes over and over again. Are you sure it hasn't been doing this? Also are you executing all the tests (specifically test 9 - bit fade test)? That one alone takes 3 hours!
[01:10] <redguy> I see. I'm not a fast typer you know :P
[01:10] <mick> early morning to you all from irish land
[01:10] <Blazer_ES> What are we doing tonight brain? The same thing we try everynight pinky: Try to install Ubuntu!
[01:11] <redguy> Blazer_ES: how can you tell it freezes? no HD activity?
[01:11] <nickrud> rflol
[01:11] <mick> blazer whats scarey is my hr "manager", thinks i made the line from pinky and the brain up!!
[01:11] <reiki> ok if activate hoary-extras to install java, am I better off doing this through apt? And will activating hoary-extras get me "updates" I don't necessarily want?
[01:12] <Blazer_ES> Well it just stays at 12% for hours
[01:12] <Blazer_ES> lol mick
[01:12] <nickrud> reiki, the best way is to enable the extras, apt-get install java, then disable extras. No extraneous stuff that way.
[01:12] <mick> not so much as lol, but scarey!!
[01:12] <reiki> nickrud: ok... thanks :)
[01:12] <mick> reiki you could just install java manually
[01:12] <nickrud> reiki, um I forgot the apt-get update :)
[01:13] <Blazer_ES> I think the hdd might be defective
[01:13] <mick> its not that difficult
[01:13] <redguy> QMario: ooh, missed a line again.
[01:13] <jasoncohen> i also see "skipping /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libspeedo.a:spencode.o" : no symbol
[01:13] <mick> blazer have you tried using a bootable cdrom to check the disk?
[01:13] <EBowles> can anybody walk me through or point me to a guide where I can somehow get ubuntu working (getting a crc error) without losing the stuff in my user directory
[01:13] <cafuego> Oh, look, a directory with 380MB of virus email.
[01:13] <surfdue> is there a way 2 fix skype in gnome
[01:13] <mick> also if you have defective block checking on it takes ages, at least it did on my p2 celeron 500 here
[01:13] <booger> having problems with Lirc can someone help ??
[01:13] <surfdue> only gnome skype wontm work
[01:13] <jasoncohen> apt-file search spencode.o shows nothing
[01:14] <funkyHat> reiki, no, hoary extras is pretty much just extras, that aren't in the other repos
[01:14] <Blazer_ES> Ah I have downloaded a analasys tool from maxtors homepage but havent got any empty cd's to write on
[01:14] <redguy> QMario: My day was fine. Since I'm on holiday I'm trying to catch last moments of summer
[01:14] <surfdue> !skype
[01:14] <ubotu> I guess skype is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/
[01:14] <mick> surfdue: yes...i have a link for you
[01:14] <titanium> i installed sun-jdk through synaptic but when i try to use java i get 'could not find libjava.so'. any ideas?
[01:14] <mick> covers sound in general
[01:14] <redguy> !java ?
[01:14] <ubotu> java is, like, to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[01:14] <gmoore> the wiki guide doesn't work
[01:14] <Newb> total newb with problems with grub
[01:15] <funkyHat> worked for me :)
[01:15] <Newb> need some help
[01:15] <funkyHat> Newb, just ask :)
[01:15] <redguy> Newb: state the nature of yuor problem
[01:15] <Newb> grub just hangs after the install
[01:15] <phayded> can someone drop a link for configuring php4 or upgrading from php-4.3 to php-4.4
[01:15] <mick> for sound:: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063&page=1&pp=10
[01:16] <gmoore> at the bottom, about "This is due to a bug in dpkg-architecture on newer systems. Run dpkg-architecture and find the line similar to" -- for me my architecture IS i386-linux. it won't make-jpkg correctly. it always fails
[01:16] <Newb> just says "Grub Loading, please wait"
[01:16] <reiki> ok... for java with extras open and update run... I apt-get install sun-j2re1.5 ?
[01:16] <icewt> anyone happen to know how to change the look of menu buttons etc. in GTK1 apps? (so that they would look nicer for example in xmms)
[01:16] <rosborn> Hello all
[01:16] <rosborn> I'm a noob just had to get that out
[01:16] <booger> having problems with Lirc can someone help ?? please ....
[01:16] <rosborn> I have azures Bt and it was working fine now it will not open
[01:17] <gmoore> funkyHat: any idea why i can't make-jpkg? :(
[01:17] <rosborn> Can't figure out what is going on
[01:17] <nickrud> reiki, I don't have extras enabled, but that sounds reasonable :)
[01:17] <Blazer_ES> SO where can I get a hardware analysis program? for windows? that will scan my other hdd for corruption?
[01:17] <funkyHat> gmoore, no, sorry :(
[01:17] <phayded> can someone drop a link for configuring php4 or upgrading from php-4.3 to php-4.4
[01:17] <mick> blazer why use cough cough windoze????
[01:17] <redguy> Newb: this is odd. where did you install grub? the MBR?
[01:18] <mick> you can use efsck from a bootable cd
[01:18] <Blazer_ES> I havent got any empty cds here to wirte on
[01:18] <booger> please ??
[01:18] <Newb> redguy: yeah, just finished the install, already have XP and was installing ubuntu
[01:18] <mick> blazer:: shuzbots!
[01:18] <Madpilot> hi all
[01:19] <mick> there goes that plan
[01:19] <Newb> on the reboot, it just hangs
[01:19] <booger> please ??
[01:19] <mattyJ> is beagle installed by default on colony3?
[01:19] <rosborn> Anyone have any Ideas why Azureus would not open
[01:19] <booger> having problems with Lirc can someone help ??
[01:19] <rosborn> I worked fine beforen now Ican not get it to run
[01:19] <mick> after all a cd is the ideal way as then you can check the disk without any os having it mounted
[01:19] <nickrud> gmoore, try changing it to uname -m
[01:19] <mick> sorry booger, new to this lrc stuff
[01:19] <jasoncohen> what does the speedo module do?
[01:19] <phayded> is there any simple way of editing the configure for php4?
[01:19] <mick> more used to lamp then front end shtuff
[01:20] <booger> ok
[01:20] <rosborn> I think it may have something to do with and update I ran last night
[01:20] <jasoncohen> i'm getting an unknown symbol spencode.o in libspeedo.a
[01:20] <rosborn> not sure what all consteted of the update
[01:20] <jasoncohen> when i attempt to start X...i think that's causing the server to abort
[01:20] <redguy> Newb: Is it an old box? Bootloaders might have trouble when installed not at the beggining of the drive AFAIR
[01:21] <Newb> it's one year old, WD HD, with WinXP
[01:21] <redguy> and how was your day QMario ?
[01:21] <Blazer_ES> should be possible from windows too because on that hdd there is nothing
[01:21] <nickrud> Newb, what bus is your drive on?
[01:21] <reiki> ok... java installed and working in firefox... that was pretty painless
[01:21] <Newb> nickrub: no clue
[01:21] <redguy> Newb: is it a SATA?
[01:22] <Newb> no IDE
[01:22] <rosborn> Can someone help me with Bittorret program
[01:22] <reiki> !find bluefish
[01:22] <ubotu> bluefish: (gtk+ HTML editor), section universe/web, is optional. Version: 1.0+cvs2005021601-0ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 1350 kB, Installed size: 5984 kB
[01:22] <nickrud> Newb, you can try making sure lba is enabled in bios, oh, no ide, I quit :)
[01:22] <IceDC571> does anyone in here use breezy?
[01:22] <rosborn> for some reason it will not open I'm using Azureus it was working fin
[01:22] <c0rrupt_> MeeP
[01:22] <nickrud> IceDC571, I am at the moment
[01:22] <rosborn> not sure what the issue may be
[01:22] <Blazer_ES> or can it be because its on a RAid pci controller card?
[01:23] <HrdwrBoB> is it a raid card.
[01:23] <HrdwrBoB> if it's IDE I seriously doubt it
[01:23] <redguy> Newb: Seems pretty regular config. Can't think of anything that could be wrong, sorry
[01:23] <IceDC571> nickrud: how is it.. does it have many issues?
[01:24] <reiki> bluefish installed... man this is easy
[01:24] <reiki> !find k3b
[01:24] <nickrud> IceDC571, not really, I'm using it for day to day work (with serious backups :)
[01:24] <Newb> thanks, redguy
[01:24] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'k3b' (4 shown): k3b ;; k3b-i18n ;; k3blibs ;; k3blibs-dev.
[01:24] <Newb> do you know what version of grub comes with ubuntu 5.04
[01:25] <nickrud> IceDC571, if you've ever used debian's experimental, it's more stable than that.
[01:25] <lvraab> 0.95 isn't it??
[01:25] <Revan999> how do i edit grub to boot only windows so i can delete ubuntu?
[01:25] <redguy> Revan999: why on earth would you want to do that?
[01:26] <Revan999> because i can't get it to work
[01:26] <redguy> Revan999: how come?
[01:26] <reiki> oh my... didn't realize k3b is a KDE app... now it's installing KDE as well ... heheheh... oopsie
[01:26] <Revan999> idk
[01:26] <Revan999> it just don't work
[01:26] <lvraab> well, that's descriptive
[01:26] <Dalamar> k3b will run under gnome as well
[01:26] <Revan999> no matter what I do I can't get X to work
[01:26] <delltony> anyone here have any experience with moto4lin?
[01:27] <nickrud> reiki, it's not really getting all of kde, only the stuff that k3b needs.
[01:27] <rosborn> can I uninstall a program from terminal ?
[01:27] <Madpilot> reiki: k3b works just fine in Gnome, but you do have to have a pile of KDE libs
[01:27] <rosborn> I'm sure I can but can someone give me a hint on how
[01:27] <Newb> any suggestion on how I can get grub to work, it's hanging after the install and I can't boot
[01:27] <Newb> trying to run a dual boot
[01:27] <dbernar1> !seen bob2
[01:27] <ubotu> bob2 is currently on #ubuntu
[01:27] <Madpilot> rosborn: try "man apt-get" to get the apt-get help
[01:27] <reiki> nickrud: ok.. thanks again... trying to get my Ubuntu to replace everything I do in XP. Seems pretty easy so far
[01:28] <IceDC571> nickrud: alright.. thanks for the info, i think i'll go ahead and use breezy, it also looks like theres a new release today, eh?
[01:28] <redguy> Revan999: you should restore the XP boot record, try looking in google
[01:28] <nickrud> reiki, you may need to change the way you do some things, but you can get it done, usually.
[01:28] <Dalamar> k3b is easily the best cd/dvd burner for linux imo
[01:28] <skalpel> gnomebaker, cough
[01:28] <cafuego> Dalamar: It's just a front-end.
[01:29] <Goodspeed__> how do i scroll up in console?
[01:29] <cafuego> Goodspeed__:shift- page-up
[01:29] <redguy> Revan999: As to X problems, what does /var/log/Xorg.0.log say?
[01:29] <dbernar1> bob2: you think you have any information for me about Internet Connection sharing? I have a more specific question, I just dont know if you are here..
[01:29] <Dalamar> regardless front end or not its ease of use is the key, especially for users transitioning from windows
[01:29] <reiki> k3b finished installing but I can't find it on a menu... anyone know how I get it there?
[01:29] <cafuego> Dalamar: My point is that it's justa shell, not in fact a burning application at all.
[01:30] <redguy> dbernar1: you might want to read about firestarter to do that I think
[01:30] <Dalamar> true
[01:30] <britt_lwt> .join #ruby-lang
[01:30] <dbernar1> redguy: I know how to set that up. I wanna set something else up.
[01:30] <dbernar1> redguy: thanks.
[01:30] <Snorks> Does Ubuntu find ATI cards and automagically fix 3d acceleration?
[01:30] <Newb> any suggestion on how I can get grub to work, it's hanging after the install and I can't boot. trying to run s dual boot and it just hangs
[01:30] <redguy> dbernar1: what do you want to set up then?
[01:30] <Madpilot> Snorks: you'll need to install the drivers
[01:31] <dbernar1> Snorks: no, wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowTo or so
[01:31] <nickrud> !ati
[01:31] <Snorks> Madpilot: will it be able to config itself?
[01:31] <ubotu> it has been said that ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[01:31] <Madpilot> ubotu tell Snorks about ati
[01:31] <dbernar1> oh, now there is a separate one...
[01:31] <Madpilot> Snorks: mine works with just the basic drivers installed, no need for tweaking. I've got a 9600XT
[01:31] <reiki> heheh... ok n00bness showing... installed k3b and now I can't find it... how to start it
[01:32] <Madpilot> reiki: in a terminal, just type "k3b"
[01:32] <dbernar1> I have installed dnsmasq, and ipmasq. I changed the /etc/network/options file to show ip_forward=yes. The /etc/dnsmasq.conf has been set up to work as a dhcp server. Also, I have tried setting up a .rul file in /etc/ipmasq/rules, one to allow dhcp requests. I am trying to connect a Mac computer using DHCP. The Mac gets an IP address, and the correct one, that I set up for that MAC address in dnsmasq.conf.
[01:32] <dbernar1> However, it can not ping the Linux, nor can it ping out. The best part is that it worked at some point, but after I tried mounting the wrong hard drive(which locked my system up) I can no longer get it to work. dmesg output can be found at http://dabar.selfip.org/dmesg.out
[01:32] <dbernar1> redguy: ^
[01:32] <reiki> Madpilot: doh.... that easy... dang it
[01:32] <teressa> Hello boys
[01:32] <simprix> What is the status of breezy
[01:32] <jdnewmil> I initially setup my Kubuntu to use dhcp... but I want it to use a static IP instead now. I fixed /etc/network/interfaces, but the boot process still seems to prefer dhcp, so I have to manually ifdown/ifup to get my static IP... where to look?
[01:32] <teressa> How is everyone?
[01:32] <dbernar1> hey teressa
[01:32] <Newb> Anyone have probles with a WD HD and Grub or lilo
[01:32] <simprix> when will it be released
[01:32] <dbernar1> aight...;)
[01:32] <darkheart> reiki If you log out/log in, it might appear in the menu, if not, I think smeg can help you edit the menu to place it there.
[01:32] <Madpilot> reiki: yeah, but no menu entry... you can create a launcher easily, though
[01:32] <tandy> this is al ttle off topic, but can anyone reccomend a web interface for email
[01:33] <simprix> horde
[01:33] <teressa> Quick question, my second CD-RW drive bombed when I tried to burn something with K3B
[01:33] <jogariga> i need help installing d-link g630 on a powerbook?
[01:33] <teressa> Any suggestions on settings to change??
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> teressa: squirrel mail is good
[01:33] <Snorks> woot
[01:33] <Snorks> woow
[01:33] <Snorks> wow
[01:33] <dbernar1> ok
[01:33] <cafuego> jogariga: Just give up now.
[01:33] <nickrud> reiki, if you can see a k3b.desktop file in /usr/share/applications, it will be on the menu next login
[01:33] <vladuz976> nickrud, the sudo /etc/init.d/entrance start, how do i make that permanent
[01:33] <teressa> Squirrel mail?
[01:33] <b3nw> can anyone suggest a good wifi with WEP howto? i'm in ubuntu but xfce4
[01:33] <IceDC571> is colony 3 of breezy out?
[01:33] <reiki> k3b needs cdrda0 package installed? hmmmmm
[01:33] <jogariga> cafuego: why?
[01:33] <Snorks> im a gentoo user atm, but i think ubuntu will be the distro for me. everything ive read looks 200% promising
[01:33] <teressa> reiki, I have that
[01:34] <IceDC571> oh wait im stupid.. its in the topic
[01:34] <teressa> basically, it began to burn, then just spun down and stopped
[01:34] <dbernar1> Snorks: propaganda.
[01:34] <Snorks> dbernar1: ?
[01:34] <cafuego> jogariga: a d630 pmcia card will need nsdiwrapper and windows drivers. those are never ever going run run on a powerbook.
[01:34] <reiki> teressa: I can just apt-get cdrda0?
[01:34] <vladuz976> nickrud, i rebooted and it goes back into gdm
[01:34] <nickrud> vladuz976, since S13gdm is called first, the S99entrance does not get run. A hack is to sudo rm /etc/rc2.d/S13gdm
[01:34] <jogariga> cafuego: what do you recommed to buy?
[01:34] <dbernar1> Snorks: all youve read seems 200% promising - propaganda.
[01:34] <tandy> HrdwrBoB, thanks
[01:34] <simprix> how can i upgrade to breezy
[01:35] <nickrud> vladuz976, a real hacky thing to do.
[01:35] <teressa> reiki, what do you mean? I believe I have cdrda0 installed...
[01:35] <cafuego> jogariga: www.prism54.org - note the card version numbers (ie the wg311 v2 or v3 will NOT work, but the v1 does)
[01:35] <rob_p> tandy: I've used Squirrelmail for about 3 years on 2 of my servers. It's worked flawlessly the whole time. I'd highly recommend it!
[01:35] <vladuz976> nickrud, if i ever want it back how would i do it?
[01:35] <Newb> any suggestion on how I can get grub to work, it's hanging after the install and I can't boot. trying to run s dual boot and it just hangs, PLEASE HELP!!!
[01:35] <dbernar1> newb no errors during install?
[01:35] <Newb> none
[01:35] <nickrud> vladuz976, sudo ln -s /etc/init.d/gdm /etc/rc2.d/S13gdm
[01:36] <cafuego> jogariga: At the veriy least, a standard orinoco 802.11b will work just fine./
[01:36] <mick> newb,sorry i have no help to offer
[01:36] <dbernar1> no errors while it hangs?
[01:36] <Snorks> dbernar1: call it what you want, im gonna give ubuntu amd64 a chance
[01:36] <surfdue> does anyone know how to fix gnome
[01:36] <surfdue> skype
[01:36] <dbernar1> good luck. It was a joke, btw, lighten up...
[01:36] <Newb> nope, the cursor just falshes
[01:36] <surfdue> skype on gnome
[01:36] <mick> install kde? :-P
[01:36] <surfdue> no.
[01:36] <dbernar1> Newb: what could possibly fix that...
[01:36] <surfdue> kde sucks.
[01:36] <tandy> rob_p ok ill check it out.. loks to be wut im lookign for
[01:36] <nickrud> surfdue, it's probably a sound problem, I've seen it here before (I don't run skype)
[01:37] <dbernar1> Newb: reinstall, md5sum (checksum) the CD, hope you made partitions separate for data.
[01:37] <nickrud> ubotu !tell surfdue about sound
[01:37] <ubotu> nickrud: Do they come in packets of five?
[01:37] <teressa> hmmm, well at least I have a new coaster
[01:37] <mick> for skype and other sound problems heres a good link
[01:37] <reiki> ok that was easy enough. K3b starts now and auto-detected my Plextor
[01:37] <nickrud> ack
[01:37] <mick> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063&page=1&pp=10
[01:37] <surfdue> !tell me about sounds
[01:37] <gilv> for file in * ; do cat $file ; done => How should this command be written when file contain spaces ?
[01:37] <surfdue> !sounds
[01:37] <ubotu> surfdue: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[01:37] <dbernar1> !msg the bot
[01:37] <mick> surfdue just posted a link for you!!
[01:37] <surfdue> err
[01:37] <surfdue> !skype
[01:37] <ubotu> I heard skype is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/
[01:37] <Newb> dbernar1: reinstall both systems? or just ubuntu
[01:37] <redguy> dbernar1: the default gateway is set up properly on the mac box? can the linux box ping tha mex box?
[01:38] <redguy> s/mex/mac/
[01:38] <cafuego> gilv: "$file"
[01:38] <mick> did the sound link help?
[01:38] <gilv> cafuego: i tried it but it doesn't work
[01:39] <dbernar1> Ill try that, good idea. the second one, pinging the Mac, never thought of that. I did not touch anything in regard of the default gateway. It is I think shown as the right one, 192.168.0.1, it all gets done by DHCP.
[01:39] <cafuego> gilv: for file in *; do cat "$file"; done
[01:39] <cafuego> gilv: Of course, 'cat *' do the same.
[01:39] <dbernar1> redguy: ^ the worst part is it worked for a wehile, I hate that.
[01:39] <o2kr> join #ubuntu-es
[01:39] <o2kr> lol
[01:39] <o2kr> sorry
[01:39] <o2kr> xD
[01:39] <redguy> dbernar1: heh, happens sometimes, propably some config didn't get saved :_)
[01:39] <dbernar1> newb, I would reinstall the Ubuntu...
[01:39] <teressa> What is the correct command to run K3B in the terminal?
[01:40] <haja> What is a good CPU temp display prog for Ubuntu/Linux?
[01:40] <dbernar1> it didnt cause of the hard reboot, I hate it.
[01:40] <dbernar1> k3b enter
[01:40] <dbernar1> I think
[01:40] <dbernar1> try k3 tab
[01:40] <darkheart> It's k3gb
[01:40] <teressa> Do I have to run it as root?
[01:40] <darkheart> sorry k3b
[01:40] <darkheart> teressa You might have to.
[01:40] <dbernar1> ok, Im out, thanks for the idea, redguy.
[01:41] <teressa> So what is the command if I wanted to add it using SMEG?
[01:41] <Newb> dbernar1: I will, but I tried PCLos9 yesterday, twice and Lilo stalled both times afte installing ... i'm thinking it's something more
[01:41] <teressa> k3b &?
[01:41] <darkheart> teressa I've never used smeg, so I couldn't help you there.
[01:41] <reiki> teressa: I opened a terminal and just typed k3b not root and no sudo before. That what you meant?
[01:41] <mick> never even heard of smeg till now
[01:41] <mick> sorry :-(
[01:41] <teressa> well yea... but I heard you need to run it as root
[01:41] <reiki> I didn't
[01:42] <redguy> you don't
[01:42] <Newb> dbernar1: but lilo hung as well, similar problem
[01:42] <nickrud> teressa, I think you need to get smeg from backports
[01:42] <darkheart> teressa Sometimes that is the case in order to access certain resources. You can try running it as root.
[01:42] <EBowles> I just installed a new video card, now when I boot its saying "I cannot start the X server (your graphical interface). It is likely that it is not set up correctly."
[01:42] <teressa> okay...
[01:42] <mick> you run k3bsetup as root, but it prompts you for a password if you start it as an ordinary user
[01:42] <teressa> SMEG is money, all of you guys should get it
[01:42] <maximaus> gksudo /usr/bin/k3b
[01:42] <teressa> ahhh I get it
[01:42] <nickrud> EBowles, log into a console, and run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:43] <mick> free money??
[01:43] <Madpilot> haja: lm-sensors & either ksensor or xsensor as a front end. see the forums for a tutorial
[01:43] <haja> Ok, thanks Madpilot
[01:43] <mick> money to spend on the worlds greatest porn delivery medium?? :-)
[01:43] <ccfiel> hello ppl...
[01:43] <darkheart> EBowles Makes sense if it's a different chipset...Would require a different driver.
[01:43] <teressa> whoa
[01:44] <teressa> This is like totally differnet
[01:44] <mick> lol teressa
[01:44] <teressa> What is the differnce?
[01:44] <ccfiel> i have a question... how do i export to my openoffice calc an text file? please help me..:(
[01:44] <Madpilot> teressa: what's different?
[01:44] <haja> Is there much difference between the two Madpilot ?
[01:45] <teressa> mick: k3b... do I have to run it as root?
[01:45] <maximaus> ccfiel, do it as a ".csv"
[01:45] <Madpilot> haja: don't think so, except that I found ksensors easier to configure, even tho I"m in Gnome...
[01:45] <maximaus> csv=comma separated values
[01:45] <EBowles> how much memory do I want to be used in my video card?
[01:46] <haja> Ok, I'm in gnome too. I'll try that one first. Thanks again
[01:46] <darkheart> EBowles The amount that it has.
[01:46] <surfdue> thanks soooo much
[01:46] <surfdue> now to my second issue
[01:46] <EBowles> its blank
[01:46] <ccfiel> maximaus: yes...i know..but it is not an csv file..its a text file ..in order to get the row..its has a fix width..
[01:46] <surfdue> i haveinstalled xine
[01:46] <Madpilot> teressa: you shouldn't have to run k3b as root - I don't on my system...
[01:46] <nickrud> EBowles, depends on your card
[01:46] <surfdue> but i cant find how to start it :P
[01:46] <darkheart> EBowles So how much memory does your card have?
[01:46] <EBowles> let me check
[01:47] <teressa> Okay... but what could the reason be why I can't burn on my second CD RW?
[01:47] <EBowles> 64 MB
[01:47] <surfdue> !xine
[01:47] <ubotu> surfdue: I don't know
[01:47] <surfdue> !cookie
[01:48] <ccfiel> can somebody help me.. :(
[01:48] <EasterSunshine> ccfiel: just ask
[01:48] <Madpilot> teressa: no idea - does it work at all? (just in read mode, that is?)
[01:48] <EasterSunshine> ccfiel: your question/problem, that is
[01:48] <maximaus> ccfiel: export to pdf and cut and paste into an editor?
[01:48] <robertj> Do the Colony3 liveCD's have UbuntuExpress?
[01:48] <nickrud> ccfiel, what's your need for the exported data, that may help a bit
[01:48] <ccfiel> how do i export to my openoffice calc an text file? a fix width.. please help me..:(
[01:48] <EasterSunshine> oh i just got here...
[01:49] <cafuego> ccfiel: export as csv
[01:49] <cafuego> ccfiel: Just look at the dialogs.
[01:49] <Seveas> robertj, no
[01:49] <ccfiel> cafuego is not a csv..its a fix width..
[01:49] <EasterSunshine> run the csv thru a script
[01:49] <darkheart> I think he means import, not export
[01:49] <cafuego> ccfiel: It's still in the export dialog.
[01:49] <delltony> question i put a webcam in my usb and ran dmesg and it seems to have detected it my phone is currently plugged in and it is /.dev/ttyACM0 so would i have to mount ./dev/ttyACM0 to access the webcam/digital cam ?
[01:49] <ccfiel> yes..import...sorry..
[01:49] <cafuego> ccfiel: Ah
[01:49] <ccfiel> how do i import.. to my openoffice calc an text file? a fix width.. please help me..:(
[01:49] <ccfiel> sorry..
[01:50] <delltony> i mean ttyACM1
[01:50] <EasterSunshine> can openoffice import csv? cause then you can turn the fixed width into csv with perl
[01:50] <maximaus> ccfiel: #openoffice.org
[01:50] <maximaus> on freenode
[01:50] <robertj> Easter: it can!
[01:50] <teressa> if /dev/hdc is my first drive, what is my second??
[01:51] <kafeine> delltony, doesnt dmesg gives you some hint on where the cam is?
[01:51] <Seveas> perl? awk!
[01:51] <kafeine> teressa, hdd
[01:51] <EasterSunshine> it is /dev/hdd maybe, i'm not sure
[01:51] <cafuego> ccfiel: File -> Open -> Type: text;csv -. Open -> In that dialog, check the 'fixed with' box.
[01:51] <delltony> yeah kinda thats what i'm trying to figure out
[01:51] <teressa> ah ha! Danke mein se!
[01:51] <darkheart> teressa If /dev/hdc is your first drive...anyone's guess which is the second =) You can find out for sure in your /etc/fstab
[01:51] <delltony> usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3
[01:51] <delltony> that is all it says
[01:51] <surfdue> howcome i cant play my dvd
[01:51] <teressa> It was hdd :)
[01:51] <delltony> so it hcd?
[01:52] <surfdue> i need some dvd playback css decroder
[01:52] <surfdue> that is illegal
[01:52] <surfdue> :|
[01:52] <ccfiel> cafuego: let me check..
[01:52] <cafuego> There is no checking, i just did it here, it works.
[01:52] <redguy> surfdue: welcome to the 21st century
[01:52] <kafeine> surfdue, apt-get install libdvdcss2
[01:53] <nickrud> surfdue, I think libdvdcss2 is in hoary-extras, you'll need to enable the repository.
[01:53] <kafeine> and that would only work if you've enabled the repos
[01:53] <kafeine> :)
[01:53] <Squall> ellow
[01:53] <EasterSunshine> can someone test my ssh server? can someone ssh into me on port 62626?
[01:53] <kafeine> hello, Squall
[01:53] <delltony> kafeine, any idea what it might be?
[01:53] <Squall> how do i set and config my network card from command line?
[01:53] <surfdue> how
[01:53] <surfdue> nick
[01:53] <delltony> the phone showed ttyACM0 and i got it working
[01:53] <surfdue> what repitory do i add
[01:54] <delltony> but the cam is nt showing anything other than what i posted
[01:54] <Madpilot> surfdue: hoary-extras
[01:54] <kafeine> delltony, none at all. i really do not have any experience with usb devices, especially cams
[01:54] <Squall> EasterSunshine: looks like it works, i telneted ;>
[01:54] <surfdue> just add that to sources.list?
[01:54] <ilba7r> anyone know how to set the default theme for gtk application in icewm to clearlooks?
[01:54] <Squall> SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.9p1 Debian-1ubuntu2
[01:54] <kafeine> try the forums for some experience on this one
[01:54] <Madpilot> surfdue: just a sec
[01:54] <delltony> unfortunately for me nor do i
[01:54] <teressa> well I enabled DMA on the second drive, hopefully that will allow me to burn properly to it using K3b
[01:54] <EasterSunshine> squall: that's odd, i got connection timed out when i did it from my friends...
[01:54] <nickrud> surfdue, I don't have that link at hand, wait for Madpilot
[01:54] <teressa> :)
[01:54] <delltony> thaks for your help though yeah ill look in some mans and whatever and see if i can figure it out
[01:54] <ccfiel> cafuego: thanks a lot! it work!
[01:54] <Madpilot> surfdue: see the very bottom of this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:54] <cafuego> ccfiel: I know!
[01:55] <delltony> if not ill post to the forums they are very helpful
[01:55] <delltony> thanks
[01:55] <surfdue> ty
[01:55] <darkheart> Yay, time to go home.
[01:55] <ilba7r> !icewm
[01:55] <ubotu> ilba7r: Are you smoking crack?
[01:55] <ilba7r> lol
[01:55] <EasterSunshine> ok who's gonna teach ubotu icewm?
[01:55] <teressa> ewww
[01:55] <EBowles> I'm trying to go through reconfiguration-xorg, but after it asks how many bits of color, it comes out of it saying "xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly customised configuration
[01:55] <nickrud> !info icewm
[01:55] <teressa> not me
[01:55] <ubotu> icewm: (wonderful Win95-OS/2-Motif-like window manager), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 1.2.18-1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 451 kB, Installed size: 1224 kB
[01:55] <brent> hello
[01:55] <robertj> is Cupid on breezy any better than cupid on hoary?
[01:55] <EBowles> how do I continue on?
[01:55] <Squall> EasterSunshine: im just planing to try fluxbox as its supposed to be better :>
[01:55] <brent> has anybody ever tried lmms?
[01:56] <Squall> how do i set and config my network card from command line?
[01:56] <nickrud> EBowles, let it overwrite, you have a new card.
[01:56] <ilba7r> nickrud you should though teach ubotu to be more polite
[01:56] <EasterSunshine> squall: is fluxbox on the level of populartiy as kde or gnome? it seems to be a bit under that
[01:56] <EBowles> nickrud, how?
[01:56] <redguy> Squall: man ifconfig; man interfaces
[01:56] <Squall> EasterSunshine: probably not, but its lighter and it can run their programs ;>
[01:57] <mrstarkweather> where can I get an ubuntu compatible media player?
[01:57] <Squall> redguy: thx, thats just what i expected
[01:57] <Squall> :>
[01:57] <mrstarkweather> other than totem
[01:57] <redguy> :]
[01:57] <nickrud> EBowles, it's a warning after the install, I kinda think it already did.
[01:57] <EBowles> oh
[01:57] <nickrud> EBowles, based on seeing that message elsewhere
[01:57] <Madpilot> mrstarkweather: Totem works great; what problems are you having with it?
[01:57] <haja> Anyone know what this person is using for a cpu/hdd/ weather display?
[01:57] <haja> http://www.vapulus.com/gnome2.6.jpg
[01:57] <mrstarkweather> I'm tryin' to play an MP3 and it's not working
[01:58] <mrstarkweather> I'm new to linux...so I have no idea what I'm doin'
[01:58] <Madpilot> !mp3
[01:58] <ubotu> [mp3] read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[01:58] <Madpilot> mrstarkweather: see ubotu right above ^^^
[01:58] <EasterSunshine> squall: light windows managers aren't my style...i want the heaviest most customizable thing on the planet, so i stick to kde
[01:58] <mrstarkweather> thanks
[01:58] <nickrud> haja, I'd guess gdesklets
[01:58] <haja> Ok, I'll check that out
[01:58] <haja> thanks
[01:59] <teressa> If I chmod a folder, will it affect the files in the folder?
[01:59] <redguy> !tell mrstarkweather about multimedia
[01:59] <nickrud> teressa, only if you use the -R (recursive) flag
[02:00] <teressa> so like, chmod -r /whatever
[02:00] <reiki> teressa: you can chmod -R and it will change rights recursively into the folder
[02:00] <nickrud> teressa, capital R in this case
[02:00] <Squall> EasterSunshine: sure, its your choise. im trying to run it on a P1 133mhz with 98mb of ram
[02:00] <Madpilot> teressa: "man chmod" for info - and case matters...
[02:01] <surfdue> when i try to play a dvd, totem tells me the soruce is encrypted are you trying to play a dvd without libdvdcss
[02:01] <Squall> ok i got it network up, can someone just tell me where i set the internet gateways?
[02:01] <surfdue> i have libdvdcss2 installed
[02:01] <surfdue> whats wrong?
[02:01] <teressa> aight, thanks boys
[02:02] <reiki> ok... next is email... just use Ximian or should I use Thunderbird? I used Thunderbird on WinXP and thought it was ok.
[02:02] <teressa> use evolution
[02:03] <teressa> it is money honey
[02:03] <Ng> using evolution will mean better integration with the rest of the desktop down the line too :)
[02:03] <reiki> you like that saying huh?
[02:03] <Squall> ok i got network up, can someone just tell me where i set the internet gateways?
[02:03] <Ng> but they can both read the same files, so you can move to thunderbird if evolution annoys you ;)
[02:03] <c0rrupt_> money honey
[02:03] <c0rrupt_> RIFK
[02:03] <surfdue> anyone?
[02:03] <reiki> Squall: should be in properties for the eth0
[02:03] <surfdue> i installed libdvdcss but i still cant play dvds
[02:04] <surfdue> !libdvdcss
[02:04] <ubotu> I don't know, surfdue
[02:04] <surfdue> !dvd
[02:04] <ubotu> I guess dvd is There are many good free players for linux. Totem is installed in Ubuntu by default add totem-xine and voila! - Mplayer, XINE, VLC (Cross platform) are also very good. gstreamer-totem
[02:04] <Elleo> Squall: System -> Administration -> Networking
[02:04] <Elleo> then select the relevant device and click Properties
[02:04] <brent> i'm wondering how to install lmms
[02:04] <lvraab> XMMS is best
[02:04] <Squall> Elleo thx for the info but i need command line help ;>
[02:05] <Elleo> ah,
[02:05] <Elleo> in that case do
[02:05] <Madpilot> surfdue: got totem-xine installed? that might be it
[02:05] <lvraab> xmms-ogle is the DVD player
[02:05] <Elleo> route add default gw x.x.x.x (where x.x.x.x is the ip address for your gateway)
[02:05] <surfdue> yes
[02:05] <Ng> that won't fix the route permanently
[02:05] <Ng> put a "gateway x.x.x.x" line in your /etc/network/interfaces definition for the device
[02:06] <Squall> im stupid
[02:06] <c0rrupt_> mhm
[02:06] <EasterSunshine> ugh...ubuntulinux is bloated...
[02:06] <Squall> why didnt i think of copying /etc/network/interfaces from one machine to the other
[02:06] <robertj> Easter: grow up
[02:07] <teressa> Bloated?
[02:07] <teressa> hah a
[02:07] <teressa> lame
[02:07] <robertj> EasterSunshine, come tip-toe outside the fairy land of perfection sometime
[02:08] <teressa> Amen
[02:08] <reiki> is there spam control in evolution? Or that I can add to it?
[02:08] <robertj> I've got nasty, nasty, nasty code I run at work because it was quick to write and cheap to buy more hardware
[02:08] <Ng> reiki: yes
[02:08] <teressa> The rain is made of chocolate
[02:08] <robertj> it's easy to maintain but runs like a dog. Size and effeciency are not always at the top of the list
[02:08] <teressa> Do you guys realize, I have never used Linux before in my entire life before last week
[02:08] <Seveas> teressa, hehe
[02:08] <Ng> good choice then :)
[02:08] <Seveas> welcome aboard :)
[02:09] <Madpilot> teressa: welcome to the Light Side... :)
[02:09] <luigino> hello everyone.......
[02:09] <luigino> I'd like to know whats the name of the file in /etc/init.d that makes kubuntu starting the X at boot because I'd like to add an instruction for 915resolution setting? thanks :)
[02:09] <Seveas> robertj, you can make it as light/heavy as you want :)
[02:09] <teressa> Seriouslly, my windows machine could not handle anymore spyware or whatever
[02:09] <teressa> so I took drastic action
[02:09] <mrstarkweather> Once I 've downloaded gstreamer, where is it downloaded to and how the heck do I install it?
[02:09] <teressa> I am pretty proud of myself :)
[02:09] <ompaul> teressa, no you took corrective action :)
[02:09] <ompaul> teressa, and you can be prouder :)
[02:09] <robertj> Here is a thought though: Windows is closer to fixing spyware than Linux is
[02:09] <Madpilot> mrstarkweather: gstreamer is codecs, basically
[02:10] <Seveas> luigino, resolution settings are specified in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:10] <ompaul> robertj, it needs to be :-)
[02:10] <Madpilot> robertj: that's because only Windows *has* a sypware problem!
[02:10] <Seveas> resolution settings for the virtual consoles (so not X) are specified as kernel boot parameter
[02:10] <Seveas> Madpilot, not true
[02:10] <robertj> Madpilot: and just what do you think would happen if a distro got even a 20% marketshare?
[02:10] <Seveas> do you run adobe acrobat reader?
[02:10] <Ng> mrstarkweather: how did you download it and what exactly was it?
[02:10] <teressa> I do
[02:11] <Seveas> that has spyware inside (admitted, not the agressive one)
[02:11] <teressa> !!!
[02:11] <luigino> Seveas yeah but I wanted to add just a command of a third part little program that changes on da bios the resolution like 915Resolution 38 1280 800
[02:11] <ubotu> it has been said that ! is what you add before a sentence to talk to me
[02:11] <Madpilot> Seveas: no, I use one of the default pdf readers...
[02:11] <Ng> use evince instead, it's a lovely pdf viewer :)
[02:11] <mrstarkweather> It's a debian file
[02:11] <Seveas> I have a .deb package for acroread without the spyware and with the latest security update
[02:11] <teressa> you do??
[02:11] <robertj> Has anyone noticed that Firefox has popups now? Opensource is not a cure-all
[02:11] <mrstarkweather> and that's all i know
[02:11] <teressa> How would one go about installing that?
[02:12] <Seveas> teressa, how did you install it? binary installer from adobe?
[02:12] <Ng> mrstarkweather: gstreamer is mostly already installed in Hoary, all you need to do to install other parts is fire up Synaptic and search for gstreamer, you don't need to download deb files :)
[02:12] <teressa> no... from the (I know obsolete) Ubuntu guide
[02:12] <Seveas> eeek
[02:12] <teressa> !!??
[02:12] <ubotu> I guess ! is what you add before a sentence to talk to me
[02:12] <TheGnome> hell0
[02:12] <Seveas> ubuntuguide.org is crappy
[02:12] <teressa> yea I know...
[02:13] <teressa> but strangely enougbh....
[02:13] <surfdue> my dvd is really choppy
[02:13] <teressa> sometimes it is more acurate than the wiki
[02:13] <HrdwrBoB> !dma
[02:13] <mrstarkweather> oh, alright, thanks alot man
[02:13] <TheGnome> surfdue: yeah there is a fix for that...........but i dont know it
[02:13] <Seveas> teressa, dpkg -P acroread mozilla-acroread acroread-plugins
[02:13] <Madpilot> teressa: then please, please edit the wiki to be more accurate!
[02:13] <robertj> UbuntuGuide is pretty good in my experience
[02:13] <HrdwrBoB> teressa: let me know where the wiki isn't as good and tell me
[02:13] <HrdwrBoB> I'll fuck it
[02:13] <teressa> surfdude: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DMA?highlight=%28dma%29
[02:13] <popey> surfdue: i had that, it was because my driive wasn't DMA enabled
[02:13] <HrdwrBoB> surfdue: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DMA
[02:14] <funkyHat> is there any kind of central configuration program for ubuntu? for choosing drivers etc?
[02:14] <teressa> ha ha
[02:14] <popey> :)
[02:14] <teressa> I should edit it myself
[02:14] <Seveas> funkyHat, gnome-control-center
[02:14] <HrdwrBoB> er fix it
[02:14] <teressa> you know though...
[02:14] <Seveas> teressa, did you do that command already?
[02:14] <HrdwrBoB> damn you frued
[02:14] <teressa> I posted on here that it was wrong
[02:14] <teressa> no hold on a sec
[02:14] <gimbal> get this. sourceforge.net is mentioned in a page at microsoft.com, and so is Apache, the *nix-system replacement for IIS: http://support.microsoft.com/?id=555092
[02:14] <Madpilot> HrdwrBoB: right... that was a great typo...
[02:14] <HrdwrBoB> Madpilot: :/
[02:15] <teressa> ok now I ran tit
[02:15] <Seveas> ok, no errors?
[02:15] <teressa> none
[02:15] <Seveas> nice
[02:15] <teressa> ??
[02:15] <Seveas> wget http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/deb/adobereader-enu_7.0.1-2_i386.deb
[02:15] <Seveas> sudo dpkg -i adobereader-enu_7.0.1-2_i386.deb
[02:16] <teressa> in that order?
[02:16] <Seveas> yup
[02:16] <teressa> ok the first one is running
[02:16] <Seveas> that'll take some time, it's not a small download
[02:16] <Seveas> oh CRAP
[02:16] <teressa> no it isnt
[02:16] <Seveas> cancel the download
[02:16] <reiki> I never thought to see if I have an adobe reader on here
[02:16] <reiki> hmmmm
[02:16] <teressa> uh oh
[02:16] <teressa> how?
[02:16] <HrdwrBoB> reiki: you generally don't want it
[02:16] <Seveas> teressa, the package contains a bug
[02:16] <teressa> close the terminal??
[02:16] <Seveas> hit <ctrl>C
[02:16] <HrdwrBoB> evince > adobe acrobat
[02:17] <Squall> ok guys another problem: /etc/resolv.conf doesnt exist, i got dns`s added to /etc/network/interfaces, but it doesnt seem to work. what am i missing?
[02:17] <Seveas> I'm fixing the package now
[02:17] <teressa> ok...
[02:17] <teressa> Let me knwo
[02:17] <TheGnome> how can i tell where my dvdrom is?
[02:17] <surfdue> wow
[02:17] <surfdue> u guys are really experts
[02:17] <TheGnome> TheGnome: its not hdc
[02:17] <teressa> sarcasm?
[02:17] <surfdue> thank you popey and HrdwrBoB
[02:17] <surfdue> :)
[02:17] <surfdue> now one more case
[02:17] <HrdwrBoB> TheGnome: odds are it's /dev/hdd or hdc
[02:18] <surfdue> how do i get skype and my dvd towork
[02:18] <surfdue> :P
[02:18] <reiki> HrdwrBoB: is evince easy to integrate with FireFox?
[02:18] <HrdwrBoB> ubotu: tell surfdue about skype
[02:18] <TheGnome> nope its neither
[02:18] <surfdue> um
[02:18] <surfdue> i know its posible
[02:18] <HrdwrBoB> TheGnome: dmesg| grep ROM
[02:18] <surfdue> i dont use edu
[02:18] <teressa> surfdude: one sec...
[02:18] <surfdue> esd*
[02:18] <surfdue> i use alsa?
[02:18] <surfdue> it should work
[02:19] <HrdwrBoB> reiki: integrate ? I don't know, but you can easily chagne the program it launches
[02:19] <TheGnome> hda
[02:19] <teressa> surfdude: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeHowto?highlight=%28skype%29
[02:19] <TheGnome> im stupid
[02:20] <Squall> ok guys another problem: /etc/resolv.conf doesnt exist, i got dns`s added to /etc/network/interfaces, but it doesnt seem to work. what am i missing?
[02:20] <TheGnome> cuz my hard disk is sda
[02:20] <Seveas> teressa, the package is fixed now
[02:20] <Seveas> sorry for that
[02:20] <Seveas> please remove what is already downloaded
[02:21] <Seveas> and then redo the last 2 commands
[02:21] <KoreLabs> having a config problem with an app after installing gcc, anyone got a spare minute?
[02:21] <ompaul> ! skype is also deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
[02:21] <ubotu> okay, ompaul
[02:21] <surfdue> can someone help me
[02:22] <teressa> ok so try again seavas?
[02:22] <surfdue> i cant get it to work
[02:22] <surfdue> i need skype and my dvd player to work
[02:22] <surfdue> posiblwe?
[02:22] <gnuty> hello all, Ubuntu is the best
[02:22] <EasterSunshine> hello gnuty, i agree
[02:22] <Seveas> ubotu, acroread is wget http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/deb/adobereader-enu_7.0.1-2_i386.deb && sudo dpkg -i adobereader-enu_7.0.1-2_i386.deb
[02:22] <ubotu> okay, Seveas
[02:23] <teressa> Seveas: will this also install a menu item for it?
[02:23] <Seveas> teressa, yes
[02:24] <surfdue> anyone?
[02:24] <surfdue> !acroread
[02:24] <ubotu> hmm... acroread is wget http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/deb/adobereader-enu_7.0.1-2_i386.deb && sudo dpkg -i adobereader-enu_7.0.1-2_i386.deb
[02:24] <teressa> money
[02:24] <EasterSunshine> ugh i wrote a script that actually works and i became all depressed cause of it
[02:24] <surfdue> ubotu, surfdue is a surfer
[02:24] <ubotu> surfdue: okay
[02:24] <HrdwrBoB> EasterSunshine: oh nos
[02:24] <surfdue> !surfdue
[02:24] <ubotu> from memory, surfdue is a surfer
[02:24] <surfdue> :)
[02:24] <surfdue> yay
[02:25] <Seveas> !bot abuse
[02:25] <ubotu> [bot abuse] a bannable offense
[02:25] <Seveas> ^-- surfdue
[02:25] <Seveas> !names
[02:25] <ubotu> names are something you should not add in me
[02:25] <lain2> hi, can anyone help me get multiverse repository enabled? i've been working at this thing using the wiki as a guide, and i just can't get mplayer to show up in synaptic.
[02:25] <gimbal> mmm bananable fences
[02:25] <teressa> 60%
[02:26] <teressa> I am so amped
[02:26] <Seveas> lain2, put your sources.list on the pastebin please
[02:26] <lain2> ok. a minute.
[02:26] <satafterh> anyone help with audio and video sync
[02:26] <mrstarkweather> I marked and installed all the gstreamer stuff that ubuntu came with, but I have no idea how to run and open it and make it play an mp3
[02:26] <HrdwrBoB> satafterh: your problem is esd
[02:26] <Seveas> teressa, please tell me when the download is done, the server needs to be rebooted ;)
[02:26] <Dekkard> btw.. you techie guys are great..
[02:26] <flugh> will have internet access at work within the month. then i can doff fedora and put ubuntu on the server. all will be well again :)
[02:26] <teressa> ok 75%
[02:26] <teressa> :)
[02:27] <satafterh> esd??
[02:27] <flugh> (not that y'all care, but that's my good news for the day :)
[02:27] <teressa> Will I need that server to run the second command?
[02:27] <surfdue> :)
[02:27] <surfdue> im a bad boy..
[02:27] <Seveas> teressa, no :)
[02:27] <surfdue> ubotu, im very sorry!
[02:27] <ubotu> surfdue: I haven't a clue
[02:27] <teressa> ok
[02:27] <surfdue> omg?
[02:27] <teressa> excellent
[02:27] <surfdue> ..
[02:27] <HrdwrBoB> ubotu: esd?
[02:27] <ubotu> esd is, like, totally, Enlightened Sound Daemon. By using a sound server to access your sound device, multiple applications can connect to the server at once and all make noise simultaneously.
[02:27] <Dreamer3> how can i check the fragmentation of a linux parition?
[02:28] <Seveas> there is none
[02:28] <lain2> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1345
[02:28] <Dreamer3> Seveas: sure there is :) it's just not as bad as windows
[02:28] <gimbal> Dreamer3: it's generally not of any concern
[02:28] <satafterh> ubotu: how do i fix?? I am very new to linux
[02:28] <ubotu> satafterh: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[02:28] <Dreamer3> my linux system is slower and slower... i swear when i first installed it it was fast... this is what i expect of windows, not linux
[02:28] <teressa> ok seveas... it is done
[02:28] <surfdue> !how do i run more then one sound app
[02:28] <ubotu> surfdue: I give up, what is it?
[02:28] <teressa> thank you
[02:28] <mrstarkweather> once gstream has been installed does anyone know how to get it to run and play mp3s?
[02:28] <surfdue> does anyone know
[02:28] <Seveas> !sound
[02:28] <ubotu> I guess sound is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063 or http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/
[02:28] <Seveas> ^--
[02:28] <HrdwrBoB> satafterh: run 'killall esd'
[02:29] <HrdwrBoB> then play your movie
[02:29] <teressa> oh shit
[02:29] <teressa> errors were encountered :(
[02:29] <flugh> potty mouth
[02:29] <teressa> sorry
[02:29] <flugh> :)
[02:29] <Dreamer3> i'm thinking on reinstalling ubuntu, but not sure what that will prove
[02:29] <Dreamer3> i don't want to reinstall linux every 6 months
[02:29] <lain2> Seveas, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1345
[02:29] <satafterh> do i have to run that every time i play a movie??
[02:29] <Esteves> hy there
[02:29] <teressa> Seveas: that package may still have bugs
[02:30] <Esteves> how can I autostart a program when fluxbox is being started?
[02:30] <ompaul> Dreamer3, you don't fix that - you never fix that - it is the job of the operating system to look after the file system and manage its filesystem 'issues'
[02:30] <teressa> Should I post the errors in the pastebin?
[02:30] <DonL> Dreamer3, I'm thinking another problem. I've never defragged, not that I would know how to do it
[02:30] <HrdwrBoB> satafterh: once per login
[02:30] <Seveas> lain2, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1347
[02:30] <Dreamer3> ompaul: well, my issues is things feel slower and slower
[02:30] <TheGnome> Esteves, make a foler in .fluxbox called Autostart
[02:30] <Squall> Esteves: try #fluxbox ;>
[02:30] <satafterh> ok thanks bob
[02:30] <Dreamer3> ompaul: the only reason i switched from debian is ubuntu was faster
[02:30] <TheGnome> Esteves, then link apps to the folder
[02:30] <Seveas> teressa, please do
[02:30] <ompaul> Dreamer3, that may be that you need to close mozilla some times and run memtest :)
[02:31] <jugarnatha> Good evening.
[02:31] <Dreamer3> ompaul: nothing is wrong with the memory :)
[02:31] <jugarnatha> I'm having problems with flash.
[02:31] <Dreamer3> ompaul: or i'd have worse problems
[02:31] <Dreamer3> ompaul: though why does everyone say memtest?
[02:31] <Dreamer3> i'm curious
[02:31] <ompaul> Dreamer3, glad you did not claim mozilla was not a memory hogger
[02:31] <jugarnatha> Macromedia flash player won't install, and I'm pretty sure there's something that comes with an ubuntu install
[02:31] <Esteves> TheGnome: autostart or Autostart?
[02:31] <jugarnatha> but I'm not sure how to unpack it or where to look for the appropriate ap
[02:31] <Dreamer3> ok, what's the next version of ubuntu
[02:32] <Dreamer3> how close is it?
[02:32] <satafterh> Macromedia flash player?? got it working with fire fox
[02:32] <HrdwrBoB> ubotu: tell jugarnatha about repositories
[02:32] <TheGnome> Esteves, i think Autostart ........ but im not 100%
[02:32] <satafterh> thanks for the help people
[02:32] <satafterh> later
[02:32] <Esteves> ok
[02:32] <Squall> Esteves: or you could check the FAQ on the site, i think they have that in it....
[02:33] <vladuz976> how come there is no /etc/X11/Sessions in ubuntu?
[02:33] <rathel> how do I run a script as root on startup?
[02:33] <ompaul> Dreamer3, because it is something that does go bad 'tune in tonight after the 9pm news for when good ram goes bad' and should be tested against, if it is not that then there may be some desktop item that is eating the memory - run free and top to see what the main hoggers are when it feels sluggish
[02:33] <TheGnome> now dvd's play great!
[02:33] <TheGnome> now how can i make a copy?
[02:33] <MAPD> hi
[02:33] <Seveas> rathel, add it to /etc/init.d/ and link it from /etc/rcS.d/
[02:33] <Dreamer3> ompaul: all the memory gradually leaks over time
[02:34] <Dreamer3> ompaul: i can close every app and leave X and still 400mb in use (no, i know what cache and buffers are)
[02:34] <rathel> okay, thanks
[02:34] <MAPD> when i installed ubuntu it said i didnt have all my language support on the cd and it said to go to the net but i cancelled because my download limits can i update it now?
[02:34] <Dreamer3> ompaul: but there seems to be no good "solution"
[02:34] <lain2> Seveas, thanks for the help. it's working now. i'll look at the differences to see what i was doing wrong, thanks
[02:34] <ompaul> Dreamer3, init 1 init 2 ?
[02:34] <Dreamer3> ompaul: single user mode... no difference... memory seems to be taken but never freed
[02:35] <cafuego> Dreamer3: it's probably being cached. This is normal.
[02:35] <Seveas> MAPD, yes, install the package language-support-YOUR_LANGUAGE_CODE
[02:35] <Dreamer3> ompaul: shouldn't the kernel not allow that to happen?
[02:35] <MAPD> Seveas one question
[02:35] <Dreamer3> cafuego: i'm familiar with linux memory usage, what i have is NOT normal
[02:35] <Seveas> (like language-support-es for spanish)
[02:35] <ompaul> Dreamer3, see comment about cached which is why I pointed at top
[02:35] <MAPD> i need to change
[02:35] <Dreamer3> ompaul: it's not cached
[02:35] <MAPD> my apt-get and synaptics mirrors
[02:35] <Dreamer3> ompaul: it's in use
[02:35] <MAPD> to portuguese ones
[02:35] <MAPD> how?
[02:35] <Dreamer3> ompaul: but i can kill everything running
[02:35] <MAPD> and to install the package i use apt-get?
[02:35] <Dreamer3> ompaul: i know how Linux works
[02:35] <Dreamer3> ompaul: i've been using it for years
[02:36] <Dreamer3> ompaul: i'm just at a loss how to deal with this terrible memory leak
[02:36] <Seveas> MAPD, by editing /etc/apt/sources.list -- a portuguese mirror can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[02:36] <Dreamer3> ompaul: i would have though the OS would prevent apps from doing such evil things, so would tha tmean it's the kernel?
[02:36] <TheGnome> how do i clear history in totem?
[02:36] <Seveas> MAPD, yes you use apt-get to install it
[02:36] <cafuego> Dreamer3: IF there is as terrible memory leak (in the kernel???) you should mail lkml.
[02:36] <MAPD> ok thx
[02:36] <teressa> seveas: sorry, I will post the errors now
[02:36] <Dreamer3> cafuego: i dunno where it is
[02:36] <Seveas> MAPD and sudo dpkg-reconfigure to change language
[02:36] <Seveas> teressa, thank you very much
[02:36] <cafuego> Dreamer3: if the apps are not running, it's the kernel.
[02:37] <cafuego> Dreamer3: The kernel is in charge of reaping memory from apps that exit.
[02:37] <ompaul> Dreamer3, using top and lsof and free may helpyou find something when it is next sluggish go for those and see what info you can dig up
[02:37] <Dreamer3> cafuego: i have to reboot every 30-40 days (with warty) because all memory would gradually get used and then go into swap... with hoary it's like every 2-3 days... but i switched back to warty kernel, no change
[02:37] <cafuego> Dreamer3: Which kernel?
[02:37] <EasterSunshine> ubotu tell me about ssh
[02:37] <Dreamer3> cafuego: the latest warty kernel before hoary... now running the latest hoary kernel
[02:37] <teressa> crap, I posted it as anonomys
[02:37] <MAPD> Seveas how to configure the apt-get sources?
[02:37] <TheGnome> how do i clear history in totem?
[02:38] <Seveas> MAPD, by editing /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:38] <MAPD> ok
[02:38] <Dreamer3> cafuego: i can try lsof next time, but i've used top and free... nothing jumps out, just all the memory is GONE
[02:38] <fz> do you guys know how to use qemu ?
[02:38] <MAPD> what do i8 write?
[02:38] <MAPD> what do i write?
[02:38] <MAPD> #
[02:38] <MAPD> ![Portugal] [WWW] ftp://ftp.rnl.ist.utl.pt/ubuntu/
[02:38] <MAPD> #
[02:38] <MAPD> ![Portugal] [WWW] http://darkstar.ist.utl.pt/ubuntu/archive/
[02:38] <ubotu> MAPD: No idea
[02:38] <ubotu> MAPD: I give up, what is it?
[02:38] <teressa> seveas: what do ya think?
[02:38] <Seveas> MAPD, do NOT paste in here
[02:38] <Seveas> teressa, I'm looking at it...
[02:38] <Dreamer3> cafuego: any ideas? should i try building my own kernel?
[02:38] <MAPD> sorry
[02:38] <MAPD> i forgot
[02:38] <MAPD> :P
[02:39] <MAPD> so sorry
[02:39] <MAPD> :\
[02:39] <Dreamer3> cafuego: i mean is it possible for a user app to take memory and die and the kernel NOT reclaim it?
[02:39] <cafuego> Dreamer3: Run top, sort the columns by ram use.. anything there?
[02:39] <Dreamer3> cafuego: i guess i wonder if this is a kernel or app issue
[02:39] <vladuz976> anybody using e17 here?
[02:39] <muffin_> hi
[02:39] <Dreamer3> cafuego: i just rebooted, but no, there will be nothing there... just a few system processes... i can go to single user mode and still have 400mb in use
[02:40] <cafuego> Dreamer3: it's possible, but only if the kernel has a rather glaring bug in it. This is possible, of course, but I'd have expected MORE users to have the problem.
[02:40] <muffin_> i've insalled quake2 in synaptic, how do i execute it now??
[02:40] <MAPD> Seveas http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/d1349
[02:40] <Dreamer3> cafuego: so, apps can do that? take memory and die and never give back?
[02:40] <Doonz> is there a point to installing a antivirus program on linux?
[02:40] <Dreamer3> cafuego: well, this is an IBM Thinkpad T22, not the most used piece of hardware
[02:40] <DonL> Doonz, only if your linux box is a server for windows computers
[02:41] <cafuego> Dreamer3: The apps have NO control about whether or not the give it back.
[02:41] <Seveas> teressa, something must have gone wrong at the download
[02:41] <cafuego> Dreamer3: The kernel is in charge at all times.
[02:41] <MAPD> can you check the site Seveas pls?
[02:41] <teressa> maybe because the first one was cancelled?
[02:41] <MAPD> :p
[02:41] <Doonz> ok
[02:41] <Seveas> teressa, I think so
[02:41] <Doonz> kool cause all my boxes are ubuntu
[02:41] <teressa> Should I just try it again??
[02:41] <Seveas> and the server is off now (it's in my bedroom and I'm going to sleep in a minute)
[02:42] <teressa> ...
[02:42] <teressa> poop
[02:42] <Seveas> You can try again in about 8 to 10 hours, sorry for the delay :(
[02:42] <Dreamer3> cafuego: are you sure? what you're saying is if the apps are REALLY closed, and there is still no free memory it is a kernel issue, right?
[02:42] <teressa> There is no where else to get it?
[02:42] <cafuego> pff, sleeping until 1pm eh
[02:42] <cafuego> Dreamer3: Indeed.
[02:43] <muffin_> i've insalled an app (quake2) in synaptic, how do i execute it now?? i can only do this from the applications menuebar ^^
[02:43] <Seveas> teressa, no, no one else toook the effort to make it available
[02:43] <Dreamer3> cafuego: so build my own kernel with known good options and see how it plays out?
[02:43] <Seveas> and I really have to go now
[02:43] <teressa> ok get to beddy bye
[02:43] <cafuego> Dreamer3: You can certainly give it a try, yes.
[02:43] <Dreamer3> brb
[02:43] <MAPD> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/d1349
[02:43] <cafuego> Dreamer3: Are you using any non-GPL kernel modules?
[02:43] <MAPD> help pls
[02:44] <DonL> muffin, I'd like to know how to do it as well. Didn't work for me
[02:44] <EasterSunshine> muffin_: that's pretty good...i don't even see it in my applications menu
[02:44] <Squall> MAPD what do you want to do with that?
[02:44] <MAPD> Squall
[02:44] <MAPD> i wanted to change apt-get sources
[02:44] <nickrud> muffin_ if you must run stuff from the menubar, you can get access to more apps by installing menu-xdg
[02:44] <MAPD> so i could do update using a Portuguese mirror
[02:45] <EasterSunshine> muffin_: i did quake2 on the command line, i got an error, so try quake2 on the command line, see what you get
[02:45] <Squall> MAPD: so just change from something like http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu to http://darkstar.ist.utl.pt/ubuntu/archive/
[02:45] <Squall> ?
[02:45] <MAPD> oki
[02:45] <MAPD> what about the other?
[02:45] <Dreamer3> ok, back in X
[02:45] <MAPD> theres two sites?
[02:45] <teressa> Seveas: are you still on??
[02:45] <EasterSunshine> LoadLibrary("ref_softx.so") failed: No such file or directory <--that's what i got. anyone can help?
[02:46] <teressa> I think I got what is wrong
[02:46] <teressa> I got it installed now :)
[02:46] <Dreamer3> anyone run ck patchset?
[02:46] <MAPD> what about security one?
[02:46] <MAPD> must really be ubuntu's one?
[02:46] <dabar> there can be only one.
[02:46] <teressa> YES!
[02:46] <teressa> Is Seveas still on??
[02:47] <Squall> MAPD dont know about the other
[02:47] <MAPD> nope
[02:47] <muffin_> EasterSunshine: when i run it in terminal, it says "couldn't exec default.cfg"
[02:47] <Squall> experiment
[02:47] <teressa> damn
[02:47] <teressa> well it worked
[02:47] <teressa> :)
[02:47] <dabar> excellent.
[02:47] <Xira> Okay guys, this is sort of an Ubuntu Live CD Question. I have a nuked window install - that means I have to install windows which will override GRUB when I reinstall to that partition. So, how would I use the ubuntu livecd to restore grub and have it redetect my partitions?
[02:47] <teressa> someone thank him next time he is on :) If I dont see him that is...
[02:47] <teressa> night boys!!
[02:48] <EasterSunshine> muffin_: right under that, it should say that it did exec it
[02:48] <Madpilot> Xira: check the wiki for recovering Ubuntu info
[02:48] <nickrud> Xira, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[02:48] <Xira> thx
[02:48] <muffin_> the last thing is couldn't exec default.cfg
[02:48] <muffin_> execing config.cfg
[02:48] <muffin_> Console initialized.
[02:48] <muffin_> ------- sound initialization -------
[02:48] <muffin_> loading oss sound output driver, ok
[02:48] <shawnh> i just installed ubuntu on my laptop and grub won't boot windows xp now, even though it is in the list to do so
[02:48] <muffin_> sorry
[02:48] <MAPD> gtg
[02:48] <MAPD> byebye thx
[02:49] <nickrud> muffin_, you may need to do killall esd, then try quake again
[02:49] <malverian_> Hey guys, is there a package listing for ubuntu similar to the debian package list?
[02:49] <nickrud> packages.ubuntu.com
[02:49] <shawnh> i don't recall doing anything stupid, and grub worked properly when it was installed last time i tried fedora
[02:49] <malverian_> nickrud: Thank you much
[02:49] <muffin_> nickrud: what is esd?
[02:49] <muffin_> !esd
[02:49] <ubotu> I heard esd is Enlightened Sound Daemon. By using a sound server to access your sound device, multiple applications can connect to the server at once and all make noise simultaneously.
[02:50] <nickrud> muffin_, it's a sound daemon, it sits between apps and alsa
[02:50] <dabar> its not noise...:)
[02:50] <nickrud> muffin_, not all apps can use esd]
[02:50] <Dreamer3> ok
[02:50] <Dreamer3> is there anything special when replacing the ubuntu kernel witha custom build?
[02:50] <Dreamer3> i know ubuntu has initrd stuff...
[02:51] <cafuego> Dreamer3: Are you using any non-GPL kernel modules?
[02:51] <dabar> Yes, something very special!
[02:51] <Dreamer3> cafuego: um... modem drive once in a while, but i could recompile that against the new kernel, otherwise, NO
[02:51] <sorush20> anyone here been able to hear sound from flash player in mozilla firefox
[02:51] <gomer> i can't get sound from mplayer. It can can open/initialize sound device. Any suggestions?
[02:51] <gomer> ca't open
[02:51] <kelsey> can anyone tell me if the hard disks are turned off when Ubuntu power managment is activated?
[02:51] <gomer> can't open
[02:52] <nickrud> gomer, try mplayer -ao esd <file>
[02:52] <gomer> ok i will ..
[02:52] <shawnh> can anyone tell me what may have went wrong and how to get windows working with grub?
[02:52] <dabar> shawnh: windows was there first?
[02:52] <muffin_> nickrud, thx, it "did" something
[02:52] <muffin_> ------- Loading ref_softx.so -------
[02:52] <muffin_> LoadLibrary("ref_softx.so") failed: No such file or directory
[02:52] <muffin_> SNDDMA_Shutdown
[02:52] <muffin_> recursive shutdown
[02:52] <muffin_> Error: Couldn't fall back to software refresh!
[02:53] <muffin_> nickrud, but i have an new error ^
[02:53] <nickrud> muffin_, then, that's over my head, sorry.
[02:53] <darkheart> muffin_ Don't paste in the channel
[02:53] <muffin_> thx anyway
[02:53] <shawnh> dabar, yes it was
[02:53] <Dreamer3> cafuego: is it going to be simply if i don't use any non-GPL drivers?
[02:53] <gomer> same message ...;(
[02:53] <muffin_> sorry
[02:53] <darkheart> muffin_ What's your trouble?
[02:53] <dabar> shawnh: what about, is it the first partition that win is installed on?
[02:53] <muffin_> darkheart, i can't run quake2
[02:54] <shawnh> xp home fat32 on a 20gb part, ubuntu auto set up remaining 10gb for swap/root
[02:54] <MagiPink> What's a good MU* client for Ubuntu? ^^ :3
[02:54] <shawnh> dabar, xp was first on 1st part
[02:54] <darkheart> muffin_ Ahh..I thought I recognized that error message. You just installed the packages in the ubuntu repository?
[02:54] <nickrud> gomer, try typing lsof /dev/dsp, in a terminal, what does that say?
[02:54] <muffin_> darkheart, i insalled it in synaptic from multiverse
[02:55] <gomer> lsof /dev/dsp
[02:55] <gomer> COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME
[02:55] <gomer> esd 7714 stokes 5w CHR 14,3 7852 /dev/dsp
[02:55] <darkheart> muffin_ I tried it also, I never got around to making it work, but what I think is that you need to load the data from the q2 disc somewhere.
[02:56] <dabar> shawnh: care to paste your /boot/grub/menu.lst or similar named file?
[02:56] <darkheart> muffin_ Google turns up this --> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-22920.html Might help you.
[02:56] <shawnh> dabar, sure to here or the pastebin?
[02:56] <nickrud> hm, that's how I run mplayer, and with esd claiming /dev/dsp, it works.
[02:56] <muffin_> darkheart, hm, maybe you need some commercial windows files... but quake2-data package should be also right...
[02:57] <gomer> the other sound functions I have tested work fine also. Any settings for mplayer in preferences?
[02:57] <muffin_> darkheart, thx
[02:57] <darkheart> muffin_ You won't need any windows files, but I'm not sure what quake2-data actually has...seems a bit small.
[02:57] <nickrud> gomer, yeah, /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf has some config stuff
[02:58] <gomer> i'm using gmplayer..the preferences I'm referring to are in there ...
[02:58] <DonL> darkheart, I think that file looks small too, but it reads like it should work. Not for me however
[02:58] <surfdue> how do i disable esd
[02:58] <surfdue> and arts
[02:58] <surfdue> and replace with alsa
[02:58] <gomer> i don't have /etc/mplayer
[03:00] <nickrud> gomer, how can you not if you have [g] mplayer?
[03:00] <dabar> shawnh: ubotu told you.
[03:00] <darkheart> DonL Yeah...You have same trouble trying to start q2 also?
[03:00] <ghostless> I'm having trouble with Flash programs...They don't show text...Anyone have any ideas?
[03:00] <DonL> darkheart, Yes. Finally gave up
[03:00] <gomer> i have a .mplayer in my home dir ...
[03:01] <shawnh> dabar, ok i just posted to the pastebin
[03:01] <dabar> the .nl one?
[03:01] <Madpilot> ghostless: install the MS core fonts from the repos, that should fix Flash...
[03:01] <nickrud> gomer, if you truly do not have /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf, then do sudo aptitude reinstall mplayer
[03:01] <shawnh> dabar, yes
[03:02] <dabar> ok, sec
[03:02] <gomer> I installed mplayer from source and did a make install
[03:02] <nickrud> ah,
[03:02] <ghostless> Madpilot, Ok thank you =D
[03:02] <gomer> i didn't see anything about configuring /etc/mplayer/*
[03:03] <DonL> gomer, I always have more luck with the packages built for Ubuntu
[03:03] <dabar> shawnh: wanna check whether the windows partition is bootable?
[03:03] <dabar> dont screw uop in there, tho, its sensitive
[03:03] <dabar> sudo cfdisk
[03:03] <gomer> maybe I'll delete what I what and reinstall?
[03:03] <EasterSunshine> hey can someone really quickly telnet to x1.or.tp on port 62626 and tell me what happens? thx in advance
[03:03] <shawnh> ok 2 seconds
[03:03] <Madpilot> ghostless: it's the only real reason to install those fonts, otherwise they're flippin' useless...
[03:03] <dabar> kk
[03:03] <ghostless> Madpilot, Haha, Ok... Good advice
[03:03] <nickrud> gomer, I cannot help with a compile of mplayer, I last did that around 3 years ago.
[03:04] <shawnh> dabar, yes its bootable
[03:04] <gomer> nickrud,donL, I'll try a Ubuntu install. I'll keep the codecs ..
[03:04] <nickrud> gomer, good choice :) be sure to get the one that matches your cpu
[03:05] <gomer> thanks guys .....bye
[03:05] <dabar> ok, any other ones bootable?
[03:05] <titaniululz> where can i put something so that it's added to path both when i login remotely with ssh and when i open a terminal on the machine locally? ie in .bash_profile adding something to PATH= only sets that when i connect in ssh. it doesnt set the path when i open terminal at the machine
[03:05] <DonL> must go for now. Bye
[03:06] <shawnh> dabar, no just the 1st part
[03:06] <gomer> donL, nickrud, you still there
[03:06] <knowledge> is there a way that anyone can tell me what http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1352 is...or what I could do about it?
[03:06] <nickrud> titaniululz, .bashrc is read when you log into a terminal locally; some people source .bash_profile from .bashrc
[03:06] <dabar> shawnh: so that is also good...
[03:06] <nickrud> hey gomer
[03:06] <titaniululz> nickrud, thanks, but what do you mean 'source' it from bashrc
[03:07] <dabar> shawnh: also it is listed as priamry?
[03:07] <nickrud> titaniululz, like add a line to .bashrc that says, source ~/.bash_profile
[03:07] <gomer> what was the command string for retrieving the ubuntu mplayer?
[03:07] <MagiPink> I feel slightly offended on behalf of my gnome desktop. Someone said it was ugly. x( Heh
[03:07] <shawnh> dabar, yes
[03:07] <nickrud> gomer, it would be better to look for it in synaptic; there are several versions available, depending on your processor.
[03:07] <dabar> ya, thats all good.
[03:08] <gomer> synaptic.com?
[03:08] <dabar> MagiPink: its a taste matter, and I find a lot of people have no taste...who cares...
[03:08] <nickrud> gomer, no, System->Administration->Synaptic :)
[03:08] <nickrud> top menu bar
[03:08] <gomer> ohhhh KKK thanks
[03:08] <surfdue> !ati
[03:08] <ubotu> ati is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[03:09] <sybariten> hiy'all
[03:09] <titaniululz> also is there any way to change the things you see when you log in remotely to ubuntu, ie the stuff about a disclaimer and such?
[03:09] <yankee> Hi, Im having problems loading ubuntu live on my laptop, the display doesn't show... i just hear the start sound is there something i need to type in the boot command ot change this? i tried vga=771 but that didnt work either..
[03:09] <MagiPink> Hehe... I suppose so. :3
[03:09] <Xira> Okay guys, I force restarted while I was booting into Ubuntu, now grub says grub error 7
[03:09] <gomer> nickrud, when I search in synaptic, it dones't find mplayer ????
[03:10] <Xira> What do i do? :(
[03:10] <darkheart> muffin_ You do have to install the game data...Try 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure quake2-data'
[03:10] <thechitowncubs> hey everyone
[03:10] <dabar> yo
[03:10] <sybariten> I've managed, to my own surprise, to make samba work (more or less) rather quickly .... that is, to share a dir from a ubuntu machine to an XP machine. One thing lasts though: write access. I cant write to the share ... anything i could check ?
[03:10] <nickrud> gomer, then you need to fix your sources.list, a sec while I find a link
[03:10] <Xira> Anyone?
[03:11] <nickrud> gomer, you need to replace the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list with http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[03:11] <kelsey> Xira: did should try re-starting again?
[03:11] <Xira> yes
[03:11] <surfdue> im using cedega and it wont reconize my ati drivers
[03:11] <shawnh> dabar, i know i can do the fixmbr trick with the windows cd, but i thought there might be a way out without hosing up grub too
[03:11] <Xira> grub stage 1.5.. | Error 17
[03:11] <Xira> is what it says
[03:11] <kelsey> does it even go to the boot menu?
[03:12] <nickrud> !components
[03:12] <Xira> no
[03:12] <ubotu> I heard components is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[03:12] <gomer> mickrud, do I add that or change an existing one?
[03:12] <thechitowncubs> you said error 7 before
[03:12] <yankee> does anyone know why my display doesn't work on my laptop when try to run ubuntu live?
[03:12] <Xira> thats my problem
[03:12] <Xira> 17*
[03:12] <kelsey> when did you install your ubuntu system?
[03:12] <thechitowncubs> xira: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-51535.html
[03:12] <Xira> uh
[03:12] <Xira> long
[03:12] <nickrud> gomer, that is a complete replacement. Take a look at the link ubotu gave for components for a little explanation.
[03:12] <thechitowncubs> did you do any partition editing?
[03:13] <nickrud> gomer, mplayer is in multiverse
[03:13] <Xira> I don't understand how a hard restart would do this
[03:13] <Xira> sigh
[03:13] <Xira> that thread doesn't help much
[03:13] <darkheart> Xira Hard restart while booting isn't a good idea.
[03:14] <kelsey> you could reinstall....
[03:14] <gomer> nickrud, sorry, I don't follow ?? multiverse?
[03:14] <Xira> i need to access my windows partition
[03:14] <darkheart> Xira http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/grub-error-guide.xml look for 'error 17'
[03:14] <Xira> yep
[03:14] <Xira> that doesnt help me
[03:14] <darkheart> Xira Why not?
[03:14] <kelsey> have you considered a rescue CD>
[03:14] <thechitowncubs> xira: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#restoregrubmenuafterwindowsinstallation
[03:15] <kelsey> i mean ?
[03:15] <knowledge> anyone know what my error is about?
[03:15] <nickrud> gomer, brb, phone
[03:15] <pmazer> Ughh.. I'm about freaking out... moving to college tomorrow
[03:15] <thechitowncubs> xira: that gentoo doc should shed some light on your issue
[03:15] <thechitowncubs> pmazer: what college?
[03:16] <gomer> nickrud, you want to call me?
[03:16] <terminal|giga> Anyone dualboot win2k and ubuntu? if so, I've a question for you.
[03:16] <mattyJ> there is no graphical installer in colony3? does that mean breezy wont have one?
[03:16] <thechitowncubs> terminal|giga, yes, i do
[03:17] <delltony> anyone here mind helping me get a digital camera working with ubuntu when i plug the usb in dmesg says new usb device detected but i don't kknow what to do after that as in how to access the cameras dir
[03:17] <terminal|giga> thechitowncubs, can I message you?
[03:17] <nickrud> gomer, lol,
[03:17] <thechitowncubs> terminal|giga, its better to be discussed in the channel
[03:17] <timtux> Somone who have tried ubuntu breezy?
[03:17] <nickrud> gomer, did you take a look at that component link yet?
[03:17] <dabar> delltony: ls /media/usbdisk
[03:17] <terminal|giga> ok
[03:18] <dabar> mattyJ: where did you get this?
[03:18] <gmoore> anyone know if it's possible to change the remote ssh login messages?
[03:18] <gomer> nickrud, I'm don't understand the lol and brb. Yes I do not x-chat very much ..
[03:18] <dguitar> u r
[03:18] <mattyJ> dabar: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57760
[03:18] <terminal|giga> thechitowncubs, you installed windows first right? then ubuntu, and let the installer find the other os and such. Did you partition the partition for ubuntu manually? if so did you make a /boot active or just one big / and a swap?
[03:19] <nickrud> gomer, lol, laughing out loud, and brb, be right back. I've got 3 months under my belt, I'm a proww :)
[03:19] <thechitowncubs> gmoore, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=40688
[03:19] <gomer> nickrud, I can tell ;)
[03:19] <delltony> ok
[03:19] <delltony> let me try that thanks
[03:19] <robotgeek> gmoore: motd :)
[03:19] <sybariten> delltony: or mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/thenameofyourmountingdir
[03:19] <mattyJ> dabar: i thought some progress was made to the graphical installer and that it would be in, but i guess it didnt make the feature freeze?
[03:19] <robotgeek> gmoore: message of the day
[03:19] <delltony> well usbdisk doesn't exit
[03:19] <thechitowncubs> terminal|giga, i have done that and the easiest way is just to leave windows alone and just partition the free space
[03:20] <delltony> let me try the sda1
[03:20] <gomer> i added a line the file for the PPTP GIU packaging. I assume what you're suggesting in similar ..
[03:20] <terminal|giga> thechitowncubs, I did.
[03:20] <tristanmike> Hi
[03:20] <nickrud> gmoore, /etc/issue and /etc/motd are what you are looking for
[03:20] <delltony> would i use pmount maybe?
[03:20] <dabar> mattyJ: I still dont see why you think there is no graphical installer..is there none?
[03:20] <mattyJ> dabar: installing it now, no graphical installer
[03:20] <terminal|giga> thechitowncubs, what I was wondering was did you make /boot, and if so, did you make it bootable? or just one large / partition and a swap, leaving the / parition bootable?
[03:20] <nickrud> gmoore, scratch /etc/issue, sorry
[03:21] <mattyJ> dabar: unless it fell back to the regular way if my video was not detected, but i doubt it
[03:21] <dabar> so what, it has a text one?
[03:21] <sybariten> delltony: pmount ?
[03:21] <mattyJ> ya
[03:21] <delltony> yeah i thinkn its pmount for like usb floppy drives an dall
[03:21] <dabar> k...well I doubt they wont have a graph installer...
[03:21] <gomer> gone ... later and thanks ...
[03:21] <tristanmike> can anyone spare a moment to answer a sound question?
[03:22] <mattyJ> dabar: if they had one, you would think it would be in here, after all uplash made it in
[03:22] <nickrud> tristanmike, everyones got a moment, but the answer, well ....
[03:22] <tristanmike> just wanted to make sure I wasn't interupting something, thanx
[03:23] <tristanmike> I'm trying to get my rear and center speakers working...in rhythmbox
[03:23] <sybariten> delltony: ok i've never seen it as anything different than a normal drive
[03:23] <delltony> what do you guys gather from this line in dmesg usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4
[03:24] <sybariten> whats the first thing i should look into when i cant write to a samba share from win xp ?
[03:24] <sybariten> the folder is shared from Ubuntu linux with a very simple sharing tool, and a click box saying "read only" is not clicked.
[03:24] <Xira> thechitowncubs: im booted into the livecd but grub-install isnt a command
[03:24] <Xira> and i dont know how to mount my hd
[03:24] <timtux> How do upgrade from hoary to breezy?
[03:25] <_frank> timtux: dont
[03:25] <mattyJ> sybariten: under system>administrator>sharefolders make sure read only isnt checked
[03:25] <timtux> _frank, why?
[03:25] <thechitowncubs> Xira: did you boot using rescue?
[03:25] <thechitowncubs> and why are you booting the livecd?
[03:25] <Xira> ubuntu livecd
[03:25] <Xira> grub is borked
[03:25] <Xira> cant boot into anything
[03:25] <robotgeek> delltony: that a usb 2 compliant device has been attached? is it a trick question?? :)
[03:25] <Concord_Dawn> yes
[03:25] <thechitowncubs> it says clearly to use the install cd
[03:26] <_frank> timtux: unless you REALLY know what you're doing. breezy is not ready
[03:26] <Concord_Dawn> !tell Xira about recoveringgrub
[03:26] <delltony> for you probably not for me ig uess so
[03:26] <Xira> sigh
[03:26] <delltony> cause i don't know how to access it
[03:26] <Xira> i dont have an install cd
[03:26] <Concord_Dawn> you don't need one.
[03:26] <Xira> theres got to be a way to do it from the live
[03:26] <robotgeek> delltony: what is it that you attached?
[03:26] <thechitowncubs> Xira: i'll brb
[03:26] <sybariten> mattyJ: as i said; it isnt
[03:26] <delltony> a little digital camera
[03:26] <timtux> _frank, im pretty good on linux, but i think i wait then
[03:26] <Concord_Dawn> Xira: check out the link that ubotu just PM'ed you.
[03:26] <Concord_Dawn> it works, I've done it, multiple times.
[03:27] <robotgeek> delltony: never used one, sorry can't really help you there
[03:27] <delltony> np
[03:27] <delltony> i was thinking it would be something like my motorola phone was
[03:27] <delltony> a ttyACM0
[03:27] <terminal|giga> why does apt-get install xchat return xchat 2.0.8 it's so OLD!
[03:27] <delltony> or somethin like that
[03:27] <terminal|giga> is there a way to get newer packages?
[03:27] <jtan325> terminal|giga, if you want to be a risk-taker, you could use breezy
[03:27] <robotgeek> terminal|giga: wait for breezy or compile on your own
[03:27] <jtan325> has the latest and greatest
[03:28] <terminal|giga> breezy
[03:28] <jtan325> but there's a very high chance your machine may break if you're not careful
[03:28] <terminal|giga> how do I upgrade to that?
[03:28] <_frank> terminal|giga: you can check hoary-backports if there is a newer version
[03:28] <thechitowncubs> Xira, do you know how to chroot?
[03:29] <mattyJ> sybariten: is the share folder owned by the user you are logging in as?
[03:29] <sm3rp_> Has anyone had weird issues with the s3virge X.org driver on hoary?
[03:29] <deufo> hi peeps, i just did a brae installation, when i got gdm and type the password, they display funny symbols instead of *. Do you know why?
[03:29] <tristanmike> any advice on getting surround up and running?
[03:29] <yankee> is there a "safe mode" for ubuntu
[03:29] <sybariten> mattyJ: hm. its a bit diffuse, as there are both linux users and samba users.
[03:29] <reiki> how do I restart samba?
[03:29] <_frank> yankee: grub has a safe mode option, I think
[03:30] <yankee> im using ubuntu live
[03:30] <sybariten> mattyJ: however i think they both have the same name, as well as the XP user ... the XP user has no PW though
[03:30] <sybariten> hm, i did a chmod 777 of that folder
[03:31] <sybariten> hmmm that doesnt seem to help
[03:31] <mattyJ> sybariten: hrmm, not sure then, i dont really like samba, i always just used ftp
[03:33] <MagiPink> I think I'm liking Gnome Mud. :3
[03:35] <muffin_> hi
[03:36] <nickrud> tristanmike, you could try running alsamixer from the terminal and see if all the volumes are turned up. My limit on 5.1 :)
[03:36] <muffin_> i have no rights to write to my /usr/lib/ folder, what should i do to extract files into it???(i don't want to use to root-terminal)
[03:36] <muffin_> why cant you login to the gui as root anyway....
[03:37] <deufo> hi peeps, i just did a bare installation, when i got gdm and type the password, they display funny symbols instead of *. Do you know why?
[03:37] <sybariten> mattyJ: yeah well its easier in a way, it is ... but then i wont be able to do certain things as transparent ... such as using the wonderful Total Commander with the ubuntu share
[03:37] <xrnath> muffin_ type sudo infront of your commands
[03:37] <Vivaldi> hello
[03:37] <robotgeek> muffin_: or gksudo
[03:37] <tristanmike> nickrud: Yeah, I'm there now, I ran the "speaker-test -c6 -D surround51" command and here's the thing, I get surround sound there, but the sound for the center speaker comes out the Ft.Lf. loud
[03:38] <Vivaldi> what's the kernel version in ubuntu by default?
[03:38] <xrnath> muffin_ you can also do sudo -s / sudo -i to maintain root
[03:38] <nickrud> tristanmike, watch for a guy named crimsun, he's the sound guru around here.
[03:38] <Flav> trying to get gzip/deflate support working in apache2, but i don't see a mod_gzip or mod_deflate package like there was for 1.3?
[03:38] <tristanmike> nice, good to know
[03:39] <tristanmike> nickrud, I see his name, but it's greyed, what does that mean? You have no idea of how much a computer n00b i am
[03:39] <robotgeek> tristanmike: he's away
[03:39] <nickrud> tristanmike, I haven't a clue :)
[03:40] <tristanmike> robotgeek, thank you
[03:40] <muffin_> txh
[03:40] <muffin_> thx
[03:40] <agnes> anyone want to help a newbie out with getting DVD playback up?
[03:40] <Bored1ed> anyone with Ubunto experience want to chat and give me some tips?
[03:40] <agnes> When i play any video it freezes the system and eats the cursor
[03:41] <robotgeek> agnes: which DVD player are u using?
[03:41] <agnes> I have tried totem and Mplayer
[03:41] <agnes> both do the same thing
[03:42] <Dime> hey guys is there a piece of software that tells your the weather forecast?
[03:42] <robotgeek> agnes: can you try VLC and tell us if it does the same thing?
[03:42] <agnes> VLC?
[03:42] <robotgeek> Dime: you can get gkdesklets
[03:42] <tristanmike> Only the best video player
[03:42] <robotgeek> agnes: video lan client
[03:42] <tristanmike> IMO
[03:42] <nickrud> Dime, you can add the weather applet to a panel
[03:42] <Dime> ok
[03:43] <robotgeek> tristanmike: i agree
[03:43] <terminal|giga> um
[03:43] <agnes> robotgeek: is it in synaptic?
[03:43] <tristanmike> I thought they went defunct
[03:43] <terminal|giga> what do you guys type when mounting samba shares? smbmount what?
[03:43] <gmoore> http://img17.echo.cx/my.php?image=pdk1wy.png what poker game is that?
[03:43] <tristanmike> from pressure
[03:43] <robotgeek> agnes: lemme check
[03:44] <tristanmike> agnes, yes, it's in synaptic
[03:44] <robotgeek> !info vlc
[03:44] <ubotu> vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.1-1ubuntu7 (hoary), Packaged size: 4867 kB, Installed size: 11816 kB
[03:44] <tristanmike> agnes, apt-get vlc
[03:44] <Dime> any idea where i would find gkdesklets
[03:44] <robotgeek> apt-get install vlc
[03:44] <Dime> i looked in google nothin came up really
[03:44] <nickrud> !info gdesklets
[03:44] <ubotu> gdesklets: (an advanced architecture for desktop applets), section universe/gnome, is optional. Version: 0.34.3-0ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 358 kB, Installed size: 2104 kB
[03:44] <tristanmike> robotgeek, touche
[03:44] <robotgeek> :)
[03:44] <Dime> thanks
[03:45] <DukGalNamu> i am having a problem with xine.... its skipping frames for some reason
[03:45] <terminal|giga> smbmount //samba/share1 /mnt username=admin doesn't work
[03:45] <terminal|giga> anyone wanna help me out with possible avanues i could take to fixing?
[03:46] <agnes> im aptgetting it now
[03:46] <DukGalNamu> mplayer doesn't do the dame thing
[03:46] <DukGalNamu> same
[03:47] <maxime> kill esd process and try to play something again
[03:47] <DukGalNamu> mplayer plays it smoothly, but i can't get mplayer to play fullscreen
[03:47] <DukGalNamu> nothing to kill
[03:49] <nickrud> DukGalNamu, try mplayer -vo xv <file> ; if that works, change vo to xv in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[03:49] <DukGalNamu> nickrud: i tried that, i got an error
[03:50] <ms12> anyone know how to change nautilus default them. I run it under icewm thats why the question?
[03:50] <DukGalNamu> vo: X11 running at 1024x768 with depth 24 and 32 bpp (":0.0" => local display)
[03:50] <DukGalNamu> It seems there is no Xvideo support for your video card available.
[03:50] <DukGalNamu> Run 'xvinfo' to verify its Xv support and read DOCS/HTML/en/video.html#xv!
[03:50] <DukGalNamu> See 'mplayer -vo help' for other (non-xv) video out drivers. Try -vo x11
[03:50] <DukGalNamu> Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device.
[03:50] <agnes> robotgeek: Im attempting to play a dvd, Ill be back in a bit if I crash.
[03:50] <DukGalNamu> anyone drown?
[03:51] <nickrud> DukGalNamu, I did, what card do yu have?
[03:51] <DukGalNamu> nickrud: ATI
[03:51] <DukGalNamu> nickrud: 9800 pro
[03:51] <vivi20> tux
[03:51] <jogariga> i need a sip client that works on ppc? any ideas?
[03:52] <nickrud> DukGalNamu, and, what did xvinfo say?
[03:52] <sm3rp_> /msg Flav Hey there, it's Scott Parkerson
[03:52] <DukGalNamu> nickrud: xvinfo?
[03:52] <Dime> damn
[03:52] <zerboxx> Anyone here know mpc very well (well enough to help with a script?)??
[03:52] <sm3rp_> (who sucks at IRC, evidently)
[03:52] <sm3rp_> :)
[03:52] <Dime> the weather desklet that comes with gdesklet doesnt work
[03:52] <DukGalNamu> nickrud: no adapters present
[03:52] <DukGalNamu> nickrud: no *adaptors present
[03:53] <nickrud> DukGalNamu, and have you read the docs it mentions?
[03:53] <DukGalNamu> umm... no
[03:53] <Vivaldi> what's the kernel version in ubuntu by default?
[03:53] <DukGalNamu> 2.4 i think
[03:53] <cafuego> Vivaldi: 2.6.10 for hoary
[03:53] <sm3rp_> Vivaldi: depends on the release
[03:54] <c0rrupt_> hello
[03:54] <tristanmike> any sound people here?
[03:54] <DukGalNamu> of mind? no
[03:54] <tristanmike> lol
[03:54] <tristanmike> then I'm in the right place
[03:54] <AndyFitz> tristanmike, yes and no
[03:54] <DukGalNamu> ROFL
[03:54] <c0rrupt_> how can i password protect a usb mass storage device
[03:55] <DukGalNamu> c0rrupt_: encrypt everything on it
[03:55] <tristanmike> AndyFitz, I have sound, no probs, I'm just trying to get my surround to work
[03:55] <c0rrupt_> with what?
[03:55] <tristanmike> AndyFitz, think you can help?
[03:55] <DukGalNamu> c0rrupt_: try searching synaptic for a tar archiver
[03:55] <AndyFitz> tristianmike, oh okay. no I can't help I thought you were referring to the ubuntu sound theme
[03:55] <DukGalNamu> c0rrupt_: sorry, a rar archiver
[03:56] <tristanmike> AndyFitz: Thanx anyway
[03:56] <agnes> robotgeek: you still around?
[03:56] <c0rrupt_> i only use apt
[03:56] <c0rrupt_> no gui
[03:56] <AndyFitz> good luck tristanmike
[03:56] <c0rrupt_> no synaptic
[03:56] <tristanmike> tanks
[03:56] <c0rrupt_> any other ways?
[03:56] <DukGalNamu> c0rrupt_: then try apt-get install rar
[03:56] <c0rrupt_> how am i going to rar a whole drive
[03:56] <DukGalNamu> c0rrupt_: and you will need unrar also
[03:56] <c0rrupt_> i have unrar
[03:57] <c0rrupt_> and i need to constantly access it fluidly
[03:57] <c0rrupt_> in linux and windows
[03:57] <c0rrupt_> ;\
[03:57] <DukGalNamu> c0rrupt_: well, you are going to need another drive or set it to overwrite the existing file
[03:57] <c0rrupt_> meh
[03:57] <DukGalNamu> c0rrupt_: or create a tar.gz first
[03:57] <c0rrupt_> im going to ask for an alternative ;\
[03:57] <c0rrupt_> how long would this take
[03:57] <c0rrupt_> the drive has like
[03:57] <c0rrupt_> 60 gigs of data
[03:58] <DukGalNamu> c0rrupt_: a long time, but there is no way around it
[03:58] <c0rrupt_> bleh
[03:58] <deufo> how do i get firefox to display chinese characters instead of stupid boxes with numbers in them
[03:58] <EasterSunshine> how do i see channel modes for a particualr channel and the ban list
[03:58] <DukGalNamu> c0rrupt_: if you want to lock it up fast, buy a firebox with a combo on it and put the drive in there
[03:58] <c0rrupt_> what about
[03:58] <c0rrupt_> kpg
[03:59] <DukGalNamu> c0rrupt_: kpg.. never heard of it
[03:59] <zerboxx> I'm not sure how to best phrase this question, so here's my best shot: I have a file, no extention, that starts with "#!/bin/bash" I know this is a script, but I was wondering what language it is, so I can know how to make my own
[03:59] <nickrud> zerboxx, it's bash :)
[03:59] <c0rrupt_> its kde
[03:59] <DukGalNamu> zerboxx: that is a bash script, using command line
[03:59] <c0rrupt_> application
[03:59] <c0rrupt_> it comes with kubuntu..
[03:59] <DukGalNamu> c0rrupt_: but you have no gui??
[03:59] <EasterSunshine> maybe it has #!/usr/bin/python right under it?
[03:59] <c0rrupt_> it says
[03:59] <c0rrupt_> wel
[03:59] <Dreamer31> lets hope bash
[03:59] <c0rrupt_> i have a gui
[03:59] <c0rrupt_> lol
[03:59] <zerboxx> EasterSunshine: Nope
[03:59] <c0rrupt_> im just saying
[03:59] <c0rrupt_> i dont have synaptic
[03:59] <c0rrupt_> -kubuntu
[03:59] <DukGalNamu> lol
[04:00] <c0rrupt_> i dont like gui with apt-get
[04:00] <faol> hey can any one help me in linuix
[04:00] <c0rrupt_> just
[04:00] <c0rrupt_> baash apt
[04:00] <DukGalNamu> c0rrupt_: apt-get install synaptic
[04:00] <DukGalNamu> :P
[04:00] <c0rrupt_> lol
[04:00] <c0rrupt_> =P
[04:00] <speel> !gorillas
[04:00] <ubotu> speel: Not a clue
[04:00] <zerboxx> DukGalNamu: So the language I need to learn is "bash script"?
[04:00] <nickrud> zerboxx, you can start here http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/index.html
[04:00] <DukGalNamu> umm, go to linuxcommand.com
[04:01] <zerboxx> nickrud: thanks! this is going to be a good learning experience, but I bet I'll get annoyed at least 15 times in the process :D
[04:01] <faol> how can i connect to a server 2003 using ubuntu
[04:01] <nickrud> zerboxx, I guarantee it, and then, http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/index.html :)
[04:01] <zerboxx> nickrud: ...perfect! :P
[04:02] <DukGalNamu> linuxcommand.org sorry
[04:02] <nickrud> more annoyances
[04:02] <dreman> Can somebody help me with an internet problem? Konqueror connects and works great, but, Mozilla and Firefox won't even though eveything seems to be configured right.
[04:02] <faol> you mean you dont know anything about linuix?
[04:02] <dabar> I have installed dnsmasq, and ipmasq. I changed the /etc/network/options file to show ip_forward=yes. The /etc/dnsmasq.conf has been set up to work as a dhcp server. Also, I have tried setting up a .rul file in /etc/ipmasq/rules, one to allow dhcp requests. I am trying to connect a Mac computer using DHCP. The Mac gets an IP address, and the correct one, that I set up for that MAC address in dnsmasq.conf.
[04:02] <dabar> However, it can not ping the Linux, nor can it ping out. The linux can not ping the Mac neither. The best part is that it worked at some point, but after I tried mounting the wrong hard drive(which locked my system up) I can no longer get it to work. dmesg output can be found at http://dabar.selfip.org/dmesg.out.
[04:02] <dabar> Perhaps eevn knowing where the logs are kept for ipmasq, or how to make it keep a log would be helpful. ipmasq uses iptables on my system.
[04:04] <Dime> anyone here running gdesklets?
[04:04] <speel> thoes hellishlets
[04:04] <speel> !gdesklets
[04:04] <ubotu> speel: Are you smoking crack?
[04:04] <cafuego> faol: samba and various zombie/worm control applications.
[04:04] <speel> Lol
[04:05] <zerboxx> nickrud: Ok, before I get started and end up destorying my computer out of frustration, can you let me know if I'm even heading in the right direction?
[04:05] <speel> !are you smoking crack?
[04:05] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, speel
[04:05] <speel> !sucks for you
[04:05] <agnes> Hey, im haveing some problems getting video to work on my system, no matter what player i use it gives me a blue video screen and then freezes my system. any ideas?
[04:06] <nickrud> zerboxx, bash is the scripting language you must know, imho.
[04:06] <maxime> have you installed the last video drivers for your card?
[04:06] <Ice9> !ati
[04:06] <ubotu> I heard ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[04:06] <Xira> lolz remember kids dont hard restart while ubuntu is booting
[04:06] <Xira> :[
[04:06] <zerboxx> nickrud: Well I need to make a script, but not sure where to start
[04:07] <cafuego> Xira: Why not? Works fine.
[04:07] <Xira> it broke grub
[04:07] <Xira> :x
[04:07] <tristanmike> angnes: this is a stupid question but you have installed the proper codecs?
[04:07] <agnes> maxime: I dont know, but this laptop is less than a month old
[04:07] <cafuego> Xira: yeah, 100000:1
[04:07] <Xira> well i guess i'm unlucky!
[04:07] <Xira> :P
[04:08] <agnes> tristanmike: im not even positive what a codec is, im pretty newbie
[04:08] <tristanmike> agnes: sorry about the misspelling, did you edit your sources.list?
[04:09] <agnes> tristanmike: i dont think so
[04:09] <dreman> Any ideas about my internet connect prob? Mozilla can't to resolve the proxy on a direct connection. Konqueror can just fine. Ideas?
[04:09] <agnes> tristanmike: the only thing i changed was my respositories list
[04:10] <tristanmike> agnes: right, that's it
[04:10] <maxime> i had problems too with mplayer and xine but it turns out it was a conflict with the esd process for the mplayer part...i installed the nvidia drivers too...works fine now...but I need to end the esd process before playing a movie
[04:10] <tristanmike> agnes: look here http://ubuntuguide.org/#dvdplayback I'll be back in a sec
[04:10] <agnes> tristanmike: then yes, i have many repositores
[04:11] <agnes> maxime: how would i go about installing those drivers? are they in synaptic?
[04:12] <rob_p> zerboxx: What sort of script are you writing, or wanting to write?
[04:12] <agnes> tristanmike: says i already have the newest version
[04:12] <zerboxx> rob_p: nickrud is helping me out right now, thanks though
[04:12] <maxime> go at http://ubuntuguide.org/
[04:12] <solidunit> hey i just installed hoary on my laptop and i'm trying to install wpa_supplicant. apt-get says the package does not exist
[04:13] <rob_p> zerboxx: No prob! Just curious... that's all. Good luck :-)
[04:13] <nickrud> rob_p, help is also welcome
[04:13] <solidunit> how do i install wpa_supplicant
[04:13] <zerboxx> rob_p: I'll let you know in just a minute :)
[04:13] <Ikzann> Hi. I'm running Panther and trying to install Ubuntu. For partitioning, I have one partition for OSX and I created one placeholder partition about 3 gigs big. In the Ubuntu partitioner, I deleted the placeholder and used the Use largest contiguous free space option to auto-partiton it for me. However, when it gets to the Yaboot step, it says that it can't install Yaboot on /target/. I try to continue wihout it, but when I boot with the option key, Ubuntu d
[04:13] <Ikzann> oesn't appear. Does anyone know what's wrong and/or how to fix it? Thanks.
[04:14] <linuxpoet> what in the world is
[04:14] <linuxpoet> dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `fuse' in statusoverride file
[04:14] <agnes> maxime: thanks im installingthem now
[04:14] <Dime> anyone here running gdesklets?
[04:15] <dabar> lkzaya, I know. You need a small new world partition on the first partition on the hard drive, for yaboot to install itself there.
[04:15] <dabar> Ikzann: ^
[04:15] <cafuego> dabar: Yes, the autopartitioner should have set that up (mine did)
[04:15] <tristanmike> agnes: sorry, the codecs off of ubuntuguide.org?
[04:15] <Ikzann> Mine didn't.
[04:15] <compdude> How do i rebuild the .udevdb? (I deleted it by accident and now I can't boot in ...)
[04:16] <Ikzann> So I need to partition a partition?
[04:16] <cafuego> Ikzann: File that as a bugreport; apart from that, I think you miht be looking at a reinstall :-(
[04:16] <Ikzann> of Linux?
[04:16] <cafuego> Ikzann: yep
[04:16] <dabar> cafuego: was it empty, youar hard drive?
[04:16] <Ikzann> I've tried reinstalling it about 4 times.
[04:16] <cafuego> Ikzann: I'll send you my partition list
[04:17] <cafuego> dabar: No, I had a Tiger install, did the same thing as Ikzann
[04:17] <Ikzann> My drive wasn't empty.
[04:17] <agnes> tristanmike: mine are updated, im installing the nvidia drivers
[04:17] <Ice9> where can I get drivers for my ATI card? The link I went to was for AMDs
[04:17] <tristanmike> agnes: ok, I'm a little behind, sorry
[04:17] <cafuego> artition via Disk utility, delete partition via fdisk, then tell ubuntu to auto-partition.
[04:17] <cafuego> !fglrx
[04:17] <ubotu> methinks fglrx is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:18] <cafuego> Ice9: there
[04:18] <agnes> tristanmike: ill be right back i was about to restart and see if the new drivers help
[04:18] <Ikzann> fdisk?
[04:18] <tristanmike> yup yup
[04:18] <Ikzann> Should I just partition the space as free space?
[04:18] <reiki> ok maybe a dumb question, but is there something for Evolution that will automagically trap spam and send it to junk folder?
[04:18] <bob2> of course
[04:18] <bob2> install spamassassin
[04:18] <cafuego> Ikzann: Mine didn't let me... I also had to create and then delete a placeholder.
[04:19] <Ikzann> What's the syntax for fdisk?
[04:19] <cafuego> Ikzann: hold on
[04:19] <bob2> why not use cfdisk?
[04:19] <dabar> bob2: I am glad you are here, maybe you know this.
[04:19] <reiki> bob2: apt-get spamassassin?
[04:19] <dabar> I have installed dnsmasq, and ipmasq. I changed the /etc/network/options file to show ip_forward=yes. The /etc/dnsmasq.conf has been set up to work as a dhcp server. Also, I have tried setting up a .rul file in /etc/ipmasq/rules, one to allow dhcp requests. I am trying to connect a Mac computer using DHCP. The Mac gets an IP address, and the correct one, that I set up for that MAC address in dnsmasq.conf.
[04:19] <dabar> However, it can not ping the Linux, nor can it ping out. The linux can not ping the Mac neither. The best part is that it worked at some point, but after I tried mounting the wrong hard drive(which locked my system up) I can no longer get it to work. dmesg output can be found at http://dabar.selfip.org/dmesg.out.
[04:19] <dabar> Perhaps eevn knowing where the logs are kept for ipmasq, or how to make it keep a log would be helpful. ipmasq uses iptables on my system.
[04:19] <bob2> reiki: apt-get install, yes
[04:19] <bob2> ipmasq is unlikely to have logs
[04:19] <reiki> bob2: thanks... this is almost too darned easy
[04:19] <reiki> :)
[04:20] <dabar> I dont even thing my dnsmasq is working any more after some more experiments.
[04:20] <cafuego> Ikzann: The message you just got is my partition list, with 62G Tiger and 12G Linux (with 550Mb swap)
[04:20] <bob2> I've never used dnsmasq
[04:20] <bob2> I always use bind9 and shcp3
[04:20] <Ikzann> cafuego: Thanks.
[04:20] <cafuego> Ikzann: if you have the same partitions (but perhaps a different size) you should be fine.
[04:20] <dabar> ok, Ill try a diff setup then,.
[04:20] <Ikzann> I do.
[04:20] <Ikzann> But yaboot doesn't install.
[04:20] <goldenfox> help needed guys. - How can i mount my ntfs drives?
[04:20] <cafuego> Ikzann: Can you get into Linux via the boot cd and perhaps edit yaboo.conf?
[04:21] <dabar> bob2: dhcp3, off course, right, that was a typo?
[04:21] <Ikzann> I don't think a yaboot.conf gets installed at all.
[04:21] <cafuego> Hmmm.
[04:22] <bob2> dabar: yes
[04:22] <Ikzann> OK. I'm going to go reboot into my backup drive.
[04:22] <dabar> bob2: you used this for Internet connection sharing?
[04:22] <glick> dfd
[04:22] <bob2> dabar: yes
[04:22] <dabar> k
[04:22] <bob2> dabar: with shorewall for firewall and NAT
[04:23] <bob2> it's almost certainly more complicated than dnsmasq, but it was easier to setup back in the day
[04:23] <dabar> well. It is not working:)
[04:23] <dabar> after install..
[04:23] <dabar> which direction shoudl I go?
[04:23] <cafuego> dabar: nne
[04:23] <agnes> tristanmike: still around?
[04:23] <Codeus> Hey, what is a Ubuntu 5.04 respository that would have things like "UPower", "Expocity", "Skippy", and whatnot?
[04:23] <dabar> again I got an IP address.
[04:24] <bob2> none
[04:24] <bob2> since they're all pre-pre-pre-release
[04:24] <dabar> but can not ping out. nor can be pinged.
[04:24] <dreman> Ikzaan: Read this article: http://linux.sys-con.com/read/47809.htm?CFID=150314&CFTOKEN=D7ECEB36-C20A-8017-5ED611390258F4D5
[04:25] <Codeus> so no unofficial respositories have pre pre pre release software?
[04:25] <agnes> tristanmike: I guess not
[04:25] <sambagirl> what is the music channel called?
[04:25] <Ice9> I don't have any ATI on that list
[04:26] <mrWoot> I am having a huge problem. I tried to install osx86 and it worked but when i tried to boot, i get an error reading "GRUB Error 17" Any help?
[04:26] <sambagirl> what is the unbutu music channel called?
[04:26] <MagiPink> Can I set xchat for automatic acceptance of DCC chats and sends and such? :3
[04:26] <cafuego> mrWoot: Asl for help on #osx86. This is #ubuntu.
[04:27] <mrWoot> cafuego, the channel doesn't exist
[04:27] <cafuego> mrWoot: Then you're SOL.
[04:27] <mrWoot> if you can't help, stop commenting
[04:27] <cafuego> Check the documentation apple sent you with your Developer kit.
[04:27] <glick> MagiPink, why would you want that
[04:28] <cafuego> mrWoot: This is an Ubuntu support channel, not a "make my warez run for me" channel.
[04:28] <reiki> bob2: spamassassin installed but disabled. Just set ENABLED= to 1 and then... what? how do I start it ? :) Or do I need to read more config info. It looks like it should run out of the box
[04:28] <agnes> anyone feel like helping a newbie get video working, regardless of media player used I still get a blue video field and then it freeze my system, i have tried getting new codecs and installing Nvidia drivers... im at a total loss
[04:28] <mrWoot> it's from the dev cd
[04:28] <mrWoot> it's not warez
[04:28] <bob2> reiki: no, you don't need to do that
[04:28] <cafuego> mrWoot: it's also not Ubuntu.
[04:28] <dabar> are you using ubuntu, mrWoot?
[04:28] <mrWoot> yes
[04:28] <Ice9> I have an ATI Radeon 9250, how can I get the 3d support working
[04:28] <synack> libdvdcss!!!!
[04:28] <mrWoot> i'm on it right now
[04:28] <dabar> see, cafuego.
[04:28] <dabar> he is refereing the the Pentium, PC version.
[04:28] <sambagirl> oh gosh what is the music channel for ubuntu? i was just in it but i forget the name of it.
[04:29] <dabar> what?
[04:29] <mrWoot> thanks dabar.
[04:29] <cafuego> dabar: yeah, that's not Ubuntu. So wrtong channel.
[04:29] <synack> apple might sue you?
[04:29] <dabar> the intel version of ubuntu
[04:29] <dabar> not osx, or maybe osx, dunno.
[04:29] <cafuego> dabar: No, osx86. Apple MacOS X for pc.
[04:29] <TheGnome> make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/source: No such file or directory.
[04:29] <dabar> ah
[04:29] <TheGnome> any ideas?
[04:29] <dabar> well.
[04:30] <PurpleMotion> Hai, fsckers!
[04:30] <dabar> then//
[04:30] <cafuego> dabar: The isnatlelr wipes out /dev/hda completely, so I expect his crub error pertains to all of grub being missing.
[04:30] <Ice9> I have an ATI Radeon 9250, how can I get the 3d support working?
[04:30] <Codeus> So there are no like unofficial repositories where you can get stuff like Skippy or UPower?
[04:30] <cafuego> Which, again, is not an Ubuntu issue.
[04:30] <dabar> cafuego: ok, wasnt informed.
[04:30] <dabar> they did not send me an official newsletter.
[04:30] <tristanmike> agnes: sorry, I'm mulitasking as about as proficent as Windows
[04:31] <PurpleMotion> grub being missing isnt an ubuntu issue?
[04:31] <cafuego> PurpleMotion: Not if it's missing due to a botched osx86 install, no.
[04:31] <bob2> of course it's not
[04:31] <agnes> tristanmmike: hahaha no problem
[04:31] <bob2> it's a "Mac OS X trashed your boot sector" issue
[04:31] <bob2> you go get out your ubuntu install cd and fix it
[04:31] <noravi> hello everybody
[04:31] <noravi> I need help
[04:32] <cafuego> bob2: No, it never tocuhed the boot sector. It did wipe everything else, though <heh>
[04:32] <PurpleMotion> cafuego: wouldn't it take an equally small amount of time to tell them how to fix it as it would to tell them it's not an ubuntu issue?
[04:32] <bob2> Codeus: nothing on google?
[04:32] <cafuego> PurpleMotion: What, tell tjhem to reinstall, coz all their data is gone and get flamed even harder?
[04:32] <noravi> I'm trying to install some deb packages downloaded from the web
[04:32] <firebird619> Hi, does anyone know if there is a newer version of the PCTel modem Linux driver. The latest I can find is 0.9.7-9 and that driver does not support the 2.6.10-5-386 kernel.
[04:33] <joseduenas> anyone knows hot to delete thing in "Places Menu" in the gnome panel ??
[04:33] <PurpleMotion> cafuego: heh, point taken
[04:33] <daba1> maybe i figured out what is wrongf.
[04:33] <daba1> Ill tell you in a sec
[04:33] <daba1> cause you all want to know.
[04:33] <PurpleMotion> in that case, recommend something like norton disk rescue i guess
[04:33] <Ice9> I have an ATI Radeon 9250, how can I get the 3d support working?
[04:33] <cafuego> recommend norton? are you insane? ;-)
[04:33] <darkheart> !ati
[04:33] <ubotu> ati is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[04:33] <TheGnome> make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/source: No such file or directory.
[04:33] <TheGnome> ??
[04:33] <cafuego> Ice9: via the fglrx driver.
[04:34] <cafuego> TheGnome: Install the appropriate kernel source.
[04:34] <Ice9> cafuego..it won't let me run it
[04:34] <cafuego> TheGnome: (it's not installed by default)
[04:34] <PurpleMotion> cafuego: if someone's just formatted a hard drive and wants to recover as much of their old data as they can, what exactly would YOU recommend?
[04:34] <Ice9> FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686-smp/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted
[04:34] <TheGnome> cafuego, how?
[04:34] <PurpleMotion> cause norton disk rescue usually does the ttrick
[04:35] <cafuego> PurpleMotion: I'd recommend taking it as a lesson, reinstalling and restoring from the backup.
[04:35] <PurpleMotion> works on fat16, fat32, ntfs, hfs, ext2, ext3, reiserfs, and a few other obscure ones
[04:35] <PurpleMotion> not everybody makes backups
[04:35] <cafuego> PurpleMotion: Then that would be lesson #2. Guaranteed they'll make one next time.
[04:36] <cafuego> TheGnome: install linux-source-2.6.8 (I think)
[04:36] <PurpleMotion> that's not a very helpful attitude, imho
[04:36] <cafuego> PurpleMotion: That depends, yours fixes the symptom, mine treats the cause.
[04:37] <synack> TheGnome: you can use synaptic to get source and i think it makes links too
[04:37] <PurpleMotion> cafuego: that's how people act at tech support call centers everywhere
[04:37] <cafuego> ie: "If you lost all your data because you didn't read docs and didn't make a backup, you should make a backup and read docs next time".
[04:37] <PurpleMotion> you're stupid, go away
[04:37] <PurpleMotion> that's what you feel
[04:37] <PurpleMotion> yeah agreed, but you shouldnt have to sacrifice what isnt necessary
[04:37] <delltony> anyone now how to get a Argus DC-1510 working in ubuntu its a usb camera
[04:37] <cafuego> PurpleMotion: Well, it *IS* stupid.
[04:38] <PurpleMotion> yeah it is
[04:38] <PurpleMotion> i agree
[04:38] <PurpleMotion> and tell them they're stupid
[04:38] <PurpleMotion> that's fine too
[04:38] <PurpleMotion> but help them too
[04:38] <Ice9> when I try to run the fglrx thing, it gives me this "FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686-smp/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted"
[04:38] <goldenfox> is ntfs supported by ubuntu?
[04:38] <PurpleMotion> thats all im saying
[04:38] <darkheart> Yarr
[04:38] <cafuego> PurpleMotion: I wasn't aware of any useful norton prodct, so i couldn't recommend one.
[04:38] <dbernar1> progress has been made, it seems./
[04:38] <cafuego> goldenfox: read-only
[04:38] <reiki> bob2: I've been reading spamassassin's website. They don't make it very plain what I have to do to make it work. It's obviously not yet marking incoming mail. Did I miss something simple?
[04:38] <PurpleMotion> cafuego: right on :)
[04:39] <goldenfox> cafuego: how can i mount my ntfs?
[04:39] <PurpleMotion> well disk doctor is the shit
[04:39] <cafuego> !ntfs
[04:39] <ubotu> ntfs is, like, the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP. The Ubuntu installer can safely resize an NTFS partition to create a new partition for you to install Ubuntu. http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[04:39] <cafuego> goldenfox: The url ubotu just said, download and run that script.
[04:39] <darkheart> reiki Hehe, that's what I do at work...What MTA are you using?
[04:39] <zerboxx> Where is gdm's startup file?
[04:39] <goldenfox> ok
[04:39] <bob2> reiki: spamassassin's website will not have anything to do with this
[04:39] <PurpleMotion> partitionmagic is pretty nice too
[04:40] <bob2> reiki: you'll need to find out how evolution uses spamassassin
[04:40] <bob2> reiki: unless you're actually using evolution to read a local mail spool
[04:40] <reiki> bob2: no I'm using evolution to just hit my pop mail hosted remotely
[04:40] <jcfreak> zerboxx: you mean like /usr/bin/gdm?
[04:41] <dbernar1> got it working! i0yt
[04:41] <dbernar1> as opposed to w00t...
[04:41] <Doonz> is there a program to turn .img files into iso???
[04:42] <dbernar1> my interfaces file was screwed up, which I finally realized, I guess.
[04:42] <zerboxx> jcfreak: maybe :)
[04:42] <dbernar1> Yay! anyhow.
[04:42] <joseduenas> anyone knows hot to delete things in "Places Menu" and "System" in the gnome panel ??
[04:42] <dbernar1> there should be a #imsohappy so everyone can come and be happy when they fix something.
[04:42] <dbernar1> !smeg
[04:42] <ubotu> [smeg] a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[04:43] <dbernar1> that program allows for that, joseduenas
[04:43] <dbernar1> not plcaes, yet. tho, I think.
[04:43] <zerboxx> jcfreak: I don't have that...
[04:44] <bob2> reiki: then the SA site will be useless
[04:44] <jcfreak> zerboxx: are you running gnome or kde???
[04:44] <zerboxx> jcfreak: I'm running fvwm
[04:45] <jcfreak> zerboxx: on ubuntu?
[04:45] <reiki> dang it. :) hmmm... Is there another tool that will sit between evolution and pop and mark spam?
[04:45] <zerboxx> jcfreak: yup
[04:45] <jcfreak> zerboxx: i'm assuming you've installed gnome?
[04:45] <zerboxx> jcfreak: yup, had that first
[04:46] <kelsey> does anyone know what directory I should install Java JRE (Hoary Hedgehog)?
[04:46] <jason_> this is strange. I just built a new system and installed hoary. Everything is running great except i can't use nautilus's built in ssh/sftp feature. On my laptop "ssh://serverip" works fine, but on this box i get "Nautilus can't display "ssh://192.168.0.5" . please select another viewer and try again
[04:46] <nickrud> reiki, in evolution, try edit-preferences mail preferences tab juck, and click check incoming mail
[04:46] <nickrud> *junk
[04:46] <darkheart> reiki google 'evolution spam plugin'
[04:47] <kelsey> anyone?
[04:47] <darkheart> kelsey Are you not installing from repositories?
[04:47] <reiki> nickrud: that box is checked..
[04:47] <jcfreak> zerboxx: how did you install fvwm? synaptic?
[04:47] <zerboxx> jcfreak: yup
[04:48] <reiki> darkheart: ok... searching web as we speak... err... type... whatever :)
[04:48] <kelsey> Well I donwloded the self-extracting file from Sun's website... but I can do that.. I didn't think about that. sorry.
[04:48] <jcfreak> zerboxx: and now gnome doesn't work?
[04:48] <zerboxx> jcfreak: I can run gnome fine, that's not the problem
[04:48] <pudland> hi all
[04:48] <nickrud> hm, I've had a few things dropped in the junk folder, but, I think I'm running a later version of evp/
[04:48] <goldenfox> my player cannot play mp3s?? any ideas how to install decoder?
[04:48] <jcfreak> zerboxx: whats the problem?
[04:48] <nickrud> *evolution
[04:49] <pudland> any body know a good how to for installing the joystick driver?
[04:49] <zerboxx> jcfreak: I want to have a program start when I start my computer, so I don't need to type the command every time, but I don't know how to do that
[04:49] <jcfreak> goldenfox: www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:49] <goldenfox> okay
[04:49] <goldenfox> :)
[04:49] <Ice9> k I enabled flglx or whatever it is for ati, and its not fixed
[04:49] <zovirl> anyone know how to get evolution spam-filtering to work? I've searching around but can't figure it out
[04:49] <cafuego> omg, where is this garlic smell coming from
[04:50] <dabar> cafuego: youre beggiong for it, arent you?
[04:50] <punkass> ok i downloaded on of the new breezy current cds...started the install...used guided partitioning..and noticed that my partions wernt setup like I thought So I stopped and rebooted...now it seems my partitions are gone
[04:50] <delltony> anyone wth some spare time on their hand and doesn't mind helping me get a digital camera working with gphoto2 feel free to pm me
[04:50] <dabar> punkass: nice.
[04:50] <punkass> I never said partition anything
[04:50] <dabar> good work.
[04:51] <Dime> gdesklets
[04:51] <cafuego> dabar: eh!?
[04:51] <punkass> it showed me what it was going to do..but thats where i stopped
[04:51] <tomaj> is it possible that the kernel source provided from ubuntu is a different version to the binary version?
[04:51] <firebird619> Hi, does anyone know if there is a newer version of the PCTel modem Linux driver. The latest I can find is 0.9.7-9 and that driver does not support the 2.6.10-5-386 kernel. I read on the Internet somewhere that there was a driver that supported the 2.6.x kernel but the site I read it on did not give a link as to where to download the driver from.
[04:51] <youngcoder> how do i install games with cedega?
[04:51] <jcfreak> zerboxx: give me a few, its been awhile since i've done that
[04:51] <tomaj> youngcoder run the install file from cedega
[04:51] <punkass> now i just have a LVM partition with a 56 gig /dev/Ubuntu/root and /dev/Ubuntu/swap_1
[04:52] <zerboxx> jcfreak: I still use gdm, so I thought it would have something to do with that
[04:52] <joseduenas> dbernar1, i have smug installed. but i want to delete thing in PLACES and SYSTEM menu, not in Application
[04:52] <punkass> is there any way to rebuild the partition table..as now my windows is gone aswell
[04:52] <dabar> the garlic smell question, cafuego, it was begging for a burn, well, it seemed to me that way.
[04:52] <dabar> a rally graphically violent one.
[04:52] <Biscuitian_Warhe> Does anyone use a Linuxant Modem
[04:53] <punkass> dabar: so any words of wisdom other than 'good work'
[04:53] <lwizardl> hi
[04:53] <Biscuitian_Warhe> Hullo
[04:53] <tomaj> punkass i dont think you can undo the partition tables
[04:53] <tomaj> unless you dont save it in the first place
[04:54] <Dime> anyone here running gdesklets?
[04:54] <jcfreak> zerboxx: okay, if you want a program to run when you login to gnome, go to System->Preferences->Sessions->Startup Programs, if you want something to start on bootup, i think that has to do with your rc.local file (i've used that before, but that was mandrake)
[04:54] <tomaj> but im not 100%
[04:54] <punkass> tomaj: i never did save it..thats the thing
[04:54] <Ikzann> cafuego: So should I set up Free Space or a placeholder?
[04:54] <dabar> sudo fdisk -l
[04:54] <lwizardl> can someone help me with a few things. I just did the os install, changed root info. installed the nvidia graphics drivers
[04:54] <zerboxx> jcfreak: thanks, I'll check those out
[04:54] <dabar> and see if your partitions are there.
[04:54] <tomaj> punkass well then you shouldnt need to worry because it hasnt changed??
[04:54] <punkass> tomaj: but thats the problem..it did
[04:54] <tomaj> then you saved it...
[04:55] <Ikzann> I just wiped my HD.
[04:55] <muffin_> lol
[04:55] <lwizardl> i want to format my second hd
[04:55] <tomaj> follow dabar's advice, he probably knows more than me
[04:55] <muffin_> doesnt sound fun
[04:55] <Ice9> can anybody help me getting my ATI radeon 9250 working with 3d support?
[04:55] <punkass> dabar: only have /dev/hda1 linux /dev/hda2 Extended /dev/hda5 Linux LVM
[04:55] <lwizardl> and automount it
[04:55] <Ikzann> Clone Backups = wonderful.
[04:55] <tomaj> is it possible that the kernel source provided from ubuntu is a different version to the binary version?
[04:55] <dabar> tomaj: not likely.
[04:55] <muffin_> whats the bash command for deleting a file?
[04:55] <dabar> heh
[04:55] <punkass> dabar: and in hda5 i have: 56 gig /dev/Ubuntu/root and /dev/Ubuntu/swap_1
[04:56] <Ikzann> rm
[04:56] <Ikzann> muffin_: rm
[04:56] <dabar> punkass: were those the ones you had before the inadvertent breezy install?
[04:56] <muffin_> thx
[04:56] <Ikzann> rm -r to delete a folder recursively
[04:56] <dabar> man rm, info rm
[04:56] <dabar> those will tell you how to use rm.
[04:56] <dabar> altho...:/ using rm...hm...this is hard...
[04:56] <punkass> dabar i dont believe so...as i had an fc4 install on there..and i assume they wouldnt name the lvm Ubuntu
[04:57] <tomaj> dabar i'm following the wiki guide but its having a version issue looking into abi folder because it wants to find a 2.6.19-34.4 but the folder that actually exists is 2.6.20-34.2
[04:57] <Maddy> hello
[04:57] <tomaj> 2.6.10 for all of the above lol
[04:57] <punkass> dabar: But the confusing thing is that I didnt think that Ubuntu set up the partitions using LVM
[04:57] <jamie3290> dabar: dan ?
[04:57] <Maddy> can somebody explain me the sens of this sentence: And Don't it Feel Good
[04:57] <ssdd65> im having alot of issues geting my network up can anyone help?
[04:58] <dabar> jamie3290: ya, wassup?
[04:58] <jamie3290> dabar: hey man its jamie. from work
[04:58] <dabar> ya, I thought so:)
[04:58] <muffin_> Ikzann, thx rm -r did it :)
[04:58] <jamie3290> yesterday was my last day.
[04:58] <dabar> hows it going? i dont see you often.
[04:58] <dabar> ah.
[04:58] <dabar> that is why...
[04:58] <Ikzann> You're welcome.
[04:58] <dabar> /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:58] <jamie3290> k
[04:59] <Ice9> can anybody help me getting my ATI radeon 9250 working with 3d support?
[04:59] <ssdd65> i need help with my network can anyone help?
[05:00] <tomaj> ice9 check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI?highlight=%28ATI%29
[05:00] <Ice9> dont that
[05:00] <Ice9> done*
[05:00] <ssdd65> my netwotk is "up" according to ubuntu but i cant ping or anything
[05:00] <tomaj> whats the problem?
[05:01] <tomaj> ssdd65 are u using the right ip's?
[05:01] <ssdd65> yea there all static
[05:01] <muffin_> is there a way to hadle files as root in a gui file manager???
[05:01] <Ice9> when I do the modprobe -r fglrx, it says operation not permitted
[05:01] <tomaj> ssdd65 are they right?
[05:01] <ssdd65> i tryed dhcp and it didnt work eather
[05:01] <jcfreak> muffin_: sudo nautilus
[05:01] <tomaj> um ice9 you have to remove the radeon module first
[05:01] <ssdd65> there right as far as i know
[05:02] <Ice9> right, I did that
[05:02] <muffin_> jcfreak, wow ^^, thx
[05:02] <tomaj> um
[05:02] <tomaj> ice9 try rebooting and going into recovery mode then doing the modprobe
[05:03] <youngcoder> tomaj, how do i run the installo file from cedega?
[05:03] <tomaj> ssdd65 im not sure what the problem is, have you changed anything hardware wise from your last working install?
[05:03] <tomaj> youngcoder are you using cvscedega or the pay one?
[05:03] <youngcoder> pay one
[05:03] <ssdd65> no i was never able to have ubuntu connect to my router
[05:04] <tomaj> cedega /cdrom/install.exe or setup.exe or whatever it is
[05:04] <tomaj> ssdd65 why dont you use dhcp?
[05:04] <ssdd65> i tryed
[05:04] <ssdd65> it wouldnt give me a ip
[05:05] <ssdd65> for some reason it refuses to talk to my comp at all
[05:05] <ssdd65> :(
[05:05] <tomaj> not sure ssdd65 sorry cant help
[05:05] <ssdd65> k thanks anyway
[05:06] <Doonz> is there a program to turn .img files into iso???
[05:06] <Ikzann> Is there any way you can get USB printer sharing to work between an Ubuntu host and a Mac OS X client?
[05:07] <zerboxx> For starters, I don't run gnome. Now, when my computer starts up, all my fonts are really small, but if I run gnome-fonts-properties they all go back to the correct size, why is this?
[05:07] <goldenfox> brb guys ... need to reboot
[05:08] <dabar> ok, se you soon
[05:08] <dabar> needs to reboot.
[05:08] <youngcoder> when trying to install tyo cedega i keep getting a run-time error
[05:08] <nickrud> Ikzann, I was looking for something else, but maybe this can help you https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromMacOSX
[05:08] <youngcoder> anyone got any ideas?
[05:08] <dabar> youngcoder: have you asked #cedega?
[05:08] <Ikzann> Thanks.
[05:08] <youngcoder> dabar, thank you
[05:09] <dabar> youngcoder: ya, welcome
[05:09] <dabar> !cedega
[05:09] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, cedega is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega
[05:09] <dabar> !ask the bot
[05:09] <ubotu> it has been said that ask the bot is to get information about common things, try asking me, the bot. You can private message me if your nick is registered(/msg NickServ HELP REGISTER) you can private message me, by using /msg ubotu mp3, for example.
[05:09] <kelsey> does anyone know what directory to install the Java Runtime Enviroment in (I am using 5.04)??
[05:09] <tristanmike> Can anyone help me on a sound issue?
[05:10] <firebird611> Hi, does anyone know if there is a newer version of the PCTel modem Linux driver. The latest I can find is 0.9.7-9 and that driver does not support the 2.6.10-5-386 kernel. I read on the Internet somewhere that there was a driver that supported the 2.6.x kernel but the site I read it on did not give a link as to where to download the driver from.
[05:10] <dabar> kelsey: wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[05:10] <kelsey> thank you
[05:11] <andrea_> adfjkl;
[05:12] <youngcoder> good luck getting help in #cedega
[05:15] <muffin_> is there a iTunes music client for linux?
[05:15] <socomm> muffin_: Negative.
[05:15] <eliUbuntu> anyone here use enlightenment?
[05:16] <socomm> Let me add a caveat to that answer, no `official' iTMS clients.
[05:16] <eliUbuntu> no enlightenment users?
[05:16] <eliUbuntu> =(
[05:16] <socomm> eliUbuntu: The world is such a big place, I'm sure someone somewhere use e.
[05:17] <oddjob> would anyone know how I would add lots of restrictions.. like making ps only show processes belonging to the user.. and stopping access to things like /var/log/wtmp?
[05:17] <socomm> Why don't you give #elightenment a try?
[05:17] <eliUbuntu> i have it all setup. figured almost all the loopholes and now its just one module im stuck on
[05:17] <Codeus> How can I make ntfs drives/partitions writable?
[05:17] <eliUbuntu> it works awesome
[05:17] <muffin_> i mean only a music player which can support the itunes shared music over lan
[05:17] <eliUbuntu> faster than metacity
[05:17] <tristanmike> Codeus: YOU DO NOT WANT TO
[05:17] <eliUbuntu> and much more beautiful
[05:18] <socomm> muffin_: All you would really need is the AAC codec for playback and perhaps a player like rhythmbox, or xmms.
[05:18] <jcfreak> Codeus: i've done it using captiveNTFS without a problem
[05:18] <Agrajag> tristanmike: of course he wants to, you should explain to him why it is a bad idea
[05:18] <Codeus> jcfreak/tristanmike: would it be easier if i just formatted it as a FAT32?
[05:18] <tristanmike> Agrajag: No, he should just accept it, like the gods
[05:18] <socomm> Codeus: That's not advisable, since that could potentially hose your NTFS partition.
[05:19] <jcfreak> Codeus: that would be WAY better
[05:19] <Agrajag> oh ok
[05:19] <oddjob> would anyone know how I would add lots of restrictions.. like making ps only show processes belonging to the user.. and stopping access to things like /var/log/wtmp?
[05:19] <Codeus> heh wow, so linux doesn't work well with ntfs, why?
[05:19] <Dime> does anyone know how to install iWeather into gdesklets/
[05:19] <Dime> ?
[05:19] <tristanmike> Codeus: most people who need to talk to NTFS and Linux have a seperate FAT32 partition
[05:19] <socomm> Codeus: Yes, try setting up a FAT32 partition for swapping files between Win32 and *nix.
[05:19] <socomm> Dime: /join #gdesklets
[05:19] <moshe> does anyone know how to switch window managers in gnome?
[05:19] <Codeus> all right
[05:19] <Agrajag> because ntfs is not documented
[05:19] <tristanmike> Codeus: it's an extra step, but worth it
[05:19] <Codeus> oh i see
[05:19] <Agrajag> and changes with each release of windows
[05:20] <socomm> moshe: Use gconf-editor.
[05:20] <Agrajag> though XP has been out for long enough that it's finally being slowly reverse-engineered
[05:20] <Codeus> all right, i suppose its time to format then :)
[05:20] <Dime> no one is in #gdesklets
[05:20] <muffin_> socomm, but how can i connect to itunes with rhythmbox? i think the itunes protocoll is too complex, you are able to browse the libary. its not just stream. can rhythmbox handle that?
[05:21] <jcfreak> Dime: are you having a problem w/ gdesklets?
[05:21] <tristanmike> Codeus: If you did write to it, which is possible, I suppose, you are in VERY serious risk of wrecking your 2000/XP
[05:21] <socomm> muffin_: Perhaps using samba?
[05:21] <Codeus> Whats a good tool to format FAT32 partitions that both Windows and Ubuntu will be able to use?
[05:21] <socomm> !samba
[05:21] <ubotu> samba is, like, totally, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[05:21] <Dime> no its with installing a app for gdesklets
[05:21] <Dime> i want to get iWeather installed
[05:22] <muffin_> socomm, apple file protocol would be better
[05:22] <eliUbuntu> is iWeather an app inside of gdesklets?
[05:22] <muffin_> socomm, do you know if theres a client for ubuntu?
[05:22] <socomm> muffin_: I would suggest just sharing the music files over samba, since you are using MS-Windows.
[05:23] <Dime> its a app for inside of gdesklets
[05:23] <Dime> i want to install it
[05:23] <eliUbuntu> ok
[05:23] <muffin_> socomm, os x
[05:23] <moshe> socomm, after making the change, do I have to restart gnome or can I simply killall metacity?
[05:23] <eliUbuntu> you can do it via gdesklets
[05:23] <socomm> muffin_: Like I said there is no official client, you should try searching for a thirdpart application.
[05:23] <Doonz> is there a program to turn .img files into iso?
[05:23] <jcfreak> Codeus: you could probably do sudo mkfs -t vfat /dev/hdd[drive #]
[05:23] <eliUbuntu> you have to go to its installation option and then go to the url install
[05:23] <socomm> moshe: I would just restart GNOME.
[05:23] <moshe> thanks
[05:23] <moshe> I'll try that
[05:23] <eliUbuntu> you can place the location of the gdesklet app you found on the internet
[05:24] <jcfreak> Dime: did you try installing using the gdesklets daemon?
[05:24] <tristanmike> when downloading themes from gnome-look, which ones can I use if I'm running a default Ubuntu set up
[05:24] <Dime> yes
[05:24] <satafterh> i have a generial question, aside from looks are there any reasons one would use kde or gnone
[05:24] <jcfreak> Dime: what happened?
[05:24] <eliUbuntu> gnome is faster and more stable
[05:25] <IcemanV9> Dime: it's fairly straightforward .. d/l iWeather .. run gDesklets shell .. drag & drop iWeather tar file onto gDesklets shell
[05:25] <tristanmike> kde is flashier, or so I gather
[05:25] <letme0ut> kde is evil
[05:25] <tristanmike> lol
[05:25] <Dime> ok
[05:25] <^Ocean^> Any way to make Xfree86 or the Nvidia driver out put in Black and white mode on a color Monitor instead of Full color ?
[05:25] <Ikzann> Doonz: Try man mkisofs (I think that's what it is). That might not convert directy but you could mount it and then try.
[05:26] <satafterh> Ok, thanks. can I install gnone in kubuntu as I have just gotten mp pc to run the way i like and dont wont to mess it it
[05:26] <tristanmike> so which ones? gtk1, gtk2, metacity, none, all?
[05:26] <jamie3290> Ocean: just out of curiosity, why would you want to do that ?
[05:26] <jcfreak> tristanmike: i usually go w/ gtk2
[05:27] <tristanmike> jcfreak, they'd be ok for a default Ubuntu installation?
[05:27] <tristanmike> how do I know what X-Window manager I'm using?
[05:27] <auk> kde is evil
[05:27] <jcfreak> tristanmike: yeah, i'm using several, right now i'm using "d3a"
[05:28] <bob2> tristanmike: you're using metacity
[05:28] <bob2> tristanmike: and it's a "window manager", not a X-Window manager
[05:28] <auk> tristanmike: default ubuntu desktop (not kubuntu, mind you) is gtk2, gnome, metacity
[05:28] <rRubin> Im havin some kinda weird gnome-session problem. after successfull login, it just hangs on the orange screen.
[05:29] <tristanmike> bob, oh, sorry, I'm a Linux Virgin
[05:29] <moshe> socomm, that didn't quite work.
[05:29] <rRubin> gnome-session is in the ps list but it never comes up. its hanging on somethin
[05:29] <socomm> moshe: Did you set the new wm using gconf-editor?
[05:29] <tristanmike> bob2, that is, sorry
[05:29] <moshe> I changed /desktop.gnome/applications/window_manager from metacity to sawfish, and metacity still loaded up by default, and I do have sawfish installed.
[05:29] <socomm> moshe: I'm assuming that you've installed sawfish.
[05:30] <moshe> I installed it before I showed up here the first time.
[05:30] <tristanmike> so I should look for the metacity themes?
[05:30] <socomm> moshe: You could try setting using the full path to the binary.
[05:30] <moshe> I type killall metacity and metacity starts up again automatically.
[05:30] <moshe> that's an interesting idea.
[05:30] <Biscuitian_Warhe> I have a Realtek High Definition Audio Sound Card, how do i get ALSA and sound to work in Ubuntu
[05:30] <moshe> thanks. I'll give it a show
[05:30] <socomm> moshe: Yeah, GNOME is still using metacity as it's WM.
[05:30] <crimsun> Biscuitian_Warhe: you need to compile the snd_azx driver using the instructions I'm going to send you.
[05:31] <crimsun> !tell Biscuitian_Warhe about alsa-source
[05:32] <Ice9> k I'm 3d support still isn't working for my ati radeon 9250
[05:32] <satafterh> can you have kde and gnome on ubuntu??
[05:33] <crimsun> satafterh: absolutely. On Ubuntu, install kubuntu-desktop. On Kubuntu, install ubuntu-desktop.
[05:33] <satafterh> in kpackage?
[05:33] <Ice9> whats the deal with this ati stuff? http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-27506.html
[05:33] <Ice9> that dude is having the same problem as me
[05:33] <crimsun> satafterh: in kynaptic, sure.
[05:34] <Biscuitian_Warhe> Well, so far so good, just gotta wait for dialup to finish, thanks crimsun
[05:34] <satafterh> whats the lastest verson of gnome?
[05:34] <ginipig> hey guys, is it safe to remove all of the games from an ubuntu installation?
[05:34] <Dreamer31> ginipig: sure
[05:34] <crimsun> Biscuitian_Warhe: np
[05:34] <ginipig> Dreamer31: how'd i be able to do that?
[05:35] <Dreamer31> ginipig: i dunno
[05:35] <ginipig> Dreamer31: :o
[05:35] <Dreamer31> ginipig: apt-get remove game-package-name?
[05:35] <Dreamer31> ginipig: but then yuo're break the default "ubuntu-desktop" package
[05:35] <ginipig> Dreamer31: are you familiar with any "slim ubuntu down" guides?
[05:35] <ginipig> Dreamer31: that's what I meant by safely
[05:35] <ginipig> Dreamer31: less breakage the better :)
[05:36] <Dreamer31> ginipig: no
[05:36] <Dreamer31> ginipig: what is your goal?
[05:36] <uglysmurf_> anyone know why when i try to remove evolution it offers 'ubuntu-desktop'?
[05:36] <Dreamer31> ubuntu is not the best slim desktop distro
[05:36] <ginipig> Dreamer31: remove unneeded apps, without it being reinstalled during apt-procedures
[05:36] <Dreamer31> ubuntu: evolution is part of ubuntu desktop?
[05:36] <ginipig> Dreamer31: I'm aware of that. I'm trying to work with what I have, though
[05:37] <uglysmurf_> sudo apt-get remove evolution offers to remove: evolution evolution-exchange ubuntu-desktop
[05:37] <Dreamer31> ginipig: i dunno then
[05:37] <ginipig> thanks
[05:37] <Dreamer31> breaking the default packagin is messy so i never tried
[05:37] <Dreamer31> ginipig: uglysmurf_ is seeing what you would see
[05:37] <Dreamer31> ubuntu: you can't remove evolution without removing ubuntu-desktop, because it depends on evolution
[05:37] <ginipig> Dreamer31: i know
[05:37] <ginipig> Dreamer31: that's what initiated this conversation :)
[05:38] <uglysmurf> i need to read up more then...i thought evolution was just an email client
[05:38] <ginipig> uglysmurf: much much more
[05:38] <Dreamer31> ah
[05:38] <ginipig> uglysmurf: i'm looking to remove certain components as well
[05:38] <Dreamer31> ubuntu: it is
[05:38] <ginipig> uglysmurf: i'll /q you if i find anything interesting
[05:38] <Dreamer31> uglysmurf: but everything default is included in ubuntu-desktop
[05:38] <uglysmurf> ginipig, ty
[05:38] <Dreamer31> uglysmurf: you can't remove anything without breaking ubuntu-desktop
[05:38] <f[a] ce> :o
[05:39] <uglysmurf> Dreamer31, what do you mean by 'anything'?
[05:39] <ginipig> what if you modify the meta-package to ignore certain components?
[05:39] <Dreamer31> ginipig: the right solution is to create a new ubuntu-desktop package that you install with your desired depends
[05:39] <ginipig> it is a meta-package, after all, isn't it?
[05:39] <Dreamer31> uglysmurf: anything that's default
[05:39] <Dreamer31> ginipig: that's the right idea
[05:40] <ginipig> Dreamer31: very much so. Unfortunately, I'm going to have a hell of a time trying to do that, seeing as how I've never dabbled with apt-packaging ;)
[05:40] <Ice9> what gives with my ati 9250? I can't get 3d support at all
[05:40] <ginipig> Dreamer31: I'll attempt it, though; it'll be an educational experience
[05:41] <satafterh> i have an amd cpu, is there any benifit to having k7 kerenl installed?
[05:41] <Dreamer31> ginipig: read the debian package maintainers guide
[05:41] <Dreamer31> ginipig: creating a dummy meta package should be too hard
[05:41] <ginipig> Dreamer31: + 'nt?
[05:42] <ginipig> n't, rather
[05:42] <Dreamer31> ginipig: give it a name like ubuntu-slim-desktop... then you can just uninstall one and replace it with the other and if you use aptitude all the software should automatically be removed
[05:42] <Dreamer31> ginipig: yes
[05:42] <Codeus> So now I have this vfat (fat32) formatted partition. I did a "sudo nautilus" and browsed to "/mnt" and then I right clicked on the partition and hit properties -> permissions, but when i tried to select write it wouldn't let me check it
[05:42] <ksmurf> how in the heck do i install the nvidia driver on breezy?
[05:42] <ginipig> Codeus: permissions
[05:42] <ginipig> Codeus: who owns the mount point?
[05:42] <charlie> Hi
[05:42] <Codeus> ginipig, root
[05:43] <Codeus> ginipig, i can mess with the "read" column
[05:43] <Codeus> ginipig, but not the write
[05:43] <ginipig> Codeus: is it mounted rw? or ro?
[05:43] <ksmurf> Codeus.... u can't change the permisions on a fat32 drive
[05:43] <Ice9> I'm trying to get 3d support on my ati 9250 and it seems like I've tried everything, can somebody please walk me through it?
[05:43] <charlie> I need mpeg support
[05:43] <Codeus> Ohmer, no clue how it is mounted
[05:43] <ginipig> Codeus: mount | grep vfat
[05:44] <charlie> hello
[05:44] <ginipig> Codeus: it's possible for you to modify /etc/fstab, and add a 'rw' option, i believe
[05:44] <setite> hey does this page work for anyone http://boards.cityofheroes.com/
[05:44] <ksmurf> sudo mount /dev/hd* /home/././whatever -t vfat -o iocharset=utf8,umask=000
[05:44] <Codeus> /dev/hdb1 on /mnt/hdb1 type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,umask=0222)
[05:45] <setite> im not getting the text body of the page... and the scroll bar is there with no bar so im missing something that is necessary
[05:45] <LaserJock> does anybody know if there is a irc channel for Breezy?
[05:45] <ksmurf> the umask is wrong
[05:45] <ginipig> 022?
[05:45] <socomm> #ubuntu-devel maybe?
[05:45] <jamie3290> Codeus: try editing your fstab and add 'user' to your options
[05:45] <Codeus> Ohmer, so it should be umask=000
[05:45] <Codeus> oh*
[05:45] <jamie3290> then do not mount the drive as root
[05:45] <setite> yea LaserJock what socomm said
[05:45] <ginipig> jamie3290: he's navigating via sudo nautilus
[05:45] <Ice9> !ati
[05:45] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[05:45] <LaserJock> thanks
[05:45] <BJW> OMG BAN Me
[05:45] <tristanmike> Codeus: look at this, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42845 the great people gave me a step by step
[05:46] <ginipig> do it, op
[05:46] <bjv> so how do you refresh a network interface after editing /etc/network/interfaces?
[05:46] <IcemanV9> setite: the page works
[05:46] <bjv> without restarting the machine. :\
[05:46] <BJW> OP PLEASE KICK ME
[05:46] <ginipig> ifup?
[05:46] <setite> IcemanV9: do you see the text on the right...
[05:46] <charlie> Hello I need Mpeg support
[05:46] <BJW> gay
[05:46] <charlie> I am a newbie jsut installed
[05:46] <ginipig> how do i ignore by hostmasks in irssi?
[05:46] <setite> BJW: do you have issues... just leave if you want out
[05:46] <IcemanV9> the "last post" ?
[05:46] <ginipig> charlie: what's the problem
[05:46] <jcfreak> charlie: www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:47] <Madpilot> !mpg
[05:47] <ubotu> Madpilot: Syntax error in line 1
[05:47] <tristanmike> setite: I'm there too
[05:47] <Codeus> Ok, now how can I copy a folder?
[05:47] <Madpilot> ubotu tell charlie about restricted
[05:47] <bjv> ginipig: gosh thanks, i kept getting errors trying ifdown first. didnt think to just move on to ifup. :(
[05:47] <charlie> I want to see videos on totem
[05:47] <ginipig> bjv: happens to the best of us
[05:47] <Codeus> nautilus weirded out when I tried selecting a folder and hitting "ctrl+c" then going to the desstination and hitting "ctrl+v"
[05:47] <ginipig> bjv: :)
[05:47] <tristanmike> Codeus: If everything is set up right, you should be able to just drag and drop
[05:47] <ksmurf> charlie ... check out the ubuntu guide
[05:47] <Madpilot> charlie: follow that link that ubotu just sent you
[05:48] <charlie> ok thanks
[05:48] <ksmurf> can anyone help me with the nvidia driver for breezy?
[05:48] <setite> under firefox?
[05:48] <tristanmike> setite: yest
[05:48] <setite> ok if you guys can see text on all those flash pages then im missing something
[05:48] <IcemanV9> setite: yep. it looks good.
[05:48] <Madpilot> setite: install the MS core fonts
[05:48] <setite> ok
[05:48] <ookla> anyone know how to load sound modules? new ubuntu did not find sound (on board)?
[05:48] <tristanmike> setite: it's just a form looks nice tho
[05:49] <iiiears> setite - Are you missing text in some flash apps too? - saw that on the boxejam site.
[05:49] <setite> dont have any flash apps to my knowledge
[05:49] <setite> show me the boxejam site you speak of
[05:49] <Deltaspectre> how would I go about installing aclocal?
[05:51] <dalamar> how do I get multiverse repo installed? I followed the wiki on the repositoryhowto and got universe selected but I dont see any optin for multiverse?
[05:51] <thoreauputic> !tell setite about info msttcorefonts
[05:51] <Codeus> How should I go about setting up the FAT32 partition to where Apache2 can host files off of it?
[05:51] <Codeus> I have Apache2 all set up
[05:51] <setite> thoreauputic: come on... there you go again... im a noob but i spend enough time in here to know how to find stuff
[05:51] <Codeus> But it keeps saying forbidden when i try to access
[05:51] <iiiears> Madpilot - has a solution worth trying. (jittery from going cold turkey on a Strike a Match addiction. - lol)
[05:52] <thoreauputic> setite: sorry.... :(
[05:52] <setite> thanks but im already close to done downloading them
[05:52] <setite> no problem thoreauputic
[05:52] <setite> i love nick autocompletion
[05:52] <tristanmike> Codeus: did you look at the website I showed you?
[05:52] <Codeus> yep
[05:52] <thoreauputic> setite: i don't always remember who is who ;)
[05:52] <tristanmike> Codeus: still can't write?
[05:52] <setite> am i able to create a wiki?
[05:52] <ksmurf> ok if no one can help me with nvidia and breezy how about NFS between hoary and breezy?
[05:53] <Deltaspectre> anyone: aclocal?
[05:53] <setite> thoreauputic: yea i can understand that....
[05:53] <Codeus> tristanmike, it will write fine now :)
[05:53] <thoreauputic> :)
[05:53] <Ice9> I'm trying to get 3d support on my ati 9250 and it seems like I've tried everything, can somebody please walk me through it?
[05:53] <Codeus> but it won't host files off of it
[05:53] <lancellor> ubuntu is not recognizing my new hard drive
[05:53] <setite> i want to submit a wiki on how to get a certain v620 evdo card working
[05:53] <ookla> anyone know how to load sound modules? new ubuntu did not find sound (on board)?
[05:53] <ookla> please :)
[05:53] <ksmurf> ookla ... what card?
[05:54] <lancellor> iput dis hard drive as a slave but i don't see it
[05:54] <setite> NONE of the available tutorials i found work... but i figured out what they are missing and have my card working... and would love to submit a tutorial to the ubuntu wiki so that no one has to spend the hairpulling time i did
[05:54] <jamie3290> Codeus: you need to put the files into apaches directory that it serves files from
[05:54] <setite> lancellor: is your main drive actually set as a master?
[05:54] <ookla> ksmurf, onboard sound
[05:54] <ksmurf> setite put a post in the forums
[05:54] <Madpilot> setite: wiki.ubuntu.com - get a login and go nuts!
[05:54] <tristanmike> Codeus: Double check on this, but you may need to run Apache2 as a super user, but double check
[05:54] <setite> lancellor: my windows buddy just had that problem
[05:54] <jcfreak> Codeus: have you set up a virtual directory?
[05:55] <Codeus> I have Apache2 set up to serve files from this /mnt/hdb1 that is formatted as a FAT32
[05:55] <tristanmike> there ya go,
[05:55] <lancellor> yes sir
[05:55] <ookla> ksmurf, sis I believe, knoppix found no prob ubuntu failed :(
[05:55] <Codeus> Yeah, it was working before when it was an NTFS partition
[05:55] <setite> Madpilot: thanks... yea i will post and add to the wiki... i find it odd that there is no mention of true wireless mobile on the wiki
[05:55] <Codeus> then I formatted it to a FAT32
[05:55] <ksmurf> np ... One sec
[05:55] <Codeus> and then copied the same folder right back onto it
[05:55] <lancellor> i have ubuntu installed on master and storage drive is on alave
[05:55] <setite> and its odd that NO one in here seems to have true wireless
[05:56] <setite> but then again its expensive... and that would stop alot of linuxants
[05:57] <Octane> how can i get an application, which i run from the command line, to output to a text file
[05:57] <Deltaspectre> octane: I know that one in windows!
[05:57] <Deltaspectre> but not sure if its the same in linux
[05:57] <Octane> i know app > file.txt
[05:57] <Octane> but that doent work :)
[05:57] <Deltaspectre> :(
[05:57] <Octane> i got it
[05:57] <Octane> its app &> txt
[05:57] <Madpilot> setite: I'm still using 50' of CAT5 here! much easier!
[05:58] <setite> well no amount of cat5 is sufficient
[05:58] <cafuego> the OH&S department doesn't like 50' of cat5
[05:58] <setite> i work security... and right now im in the middle of a parking lot 30 some miles from my house
[05:59] <ksmurf> will someone help me setup NFS between hoary and breezy?
[05:59] <setite> its not bad... it can play online games better than dialup... and it can download over 100kb/s when it wants to
[05:59] <cafuego> I swear, it's as if you're sitting in a 747 at takeoff
[05:59] <Madpilot> setite: that's impressive... I know spit about wireless, true or not - but by all means add stuff to the wiki!
[06:01] <lancellor> how do i do to set up a slave hard drive for storage
[06:02] <iiiears> Madpilot - msttcorefonts includes the fonts themselves or just the tools to install them from another source (windows installation?)
[06:02] <tristanmike> I just installed metacity-themes from the repository but they haven't ended up in my themes menu, anyone know why?
[06:03] <cafuego> iiiears: It downlaods the conts from sourceforge and then installs thgem using cabextract
[06:03] <Madpilot> iiiears: the fonts themselves
[06:03] <cafuego> !info msttcorefonts
[06:03] <Madpilot> cafuego: eh, OK. is it just an installer? doesn't say as much in the package description
[06:03] <ubotu> msttcorefonts: (Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts), section multiverse/x11, is optional. Version: 1.2ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 160 kB
[06:03] <cafuego> See, they'll never even fit ONE font in 160Kb
[06:03] <iiiears> Madpilot - Ah okay, thank you. - patents, patents, patents, - bah who needs 'em. - lol
[06:04] <ksmurf> anyone? help setting up a network between this breesy and hoary... please?
[06:04] <cafuego> Madpilot: See also 'Installer for ...' ;-)
[06:04] <Codeus> Anyone else have a problem where like they got their printer driver installed and working, but they can only print one page before the printer starts flashing error?
[06:04] <cafuego> iiiears: copying yer TTF fonts to ~/.fonts works fine too, btw.
[06:04] <Madpilot> cafuego: yeah, just caught that. Has MS really released these things for free, or are they copies?
[06:04] <iiiears> cafuego - nice tip.
[06:05] <zero_> oi
[06:05] <cafuego> Madpilot: They WERE released at some stage, but retracted later.
[06:05] <tristanmike> does anyone know how to use the "metacity-themes" package from synaptic??
[06:05] <cafuego> Madpilot: Still, if you have a copy of the original release (like on sf.net) they original license applies :-)
[06:06] <iiiears> Madpilot - yeah sure.. NOW you tell me.... - lol
[06:06] <Madpilot> cafuego: interesting... licensing is fun stuff...
[06:06] <Madpilot> http://bancomicsans.com/ :)
[06:07] <deufo> hi peeps, can someone help me get firefox to read chinese?
[06:07] <deufo> it displasys it as a block with numbers inside rite now
[06:08] <iiiears> copyrighted fonts? - aw c'mon. what kind of hocus pocus is that. - copyright a business logo but a font? - blegh.
[06:08] <deufo> i got the firefox chinese locales already
[06:08] <EasterSunshine> deufo have you installed any fonts with big5 chars or unicode chars?
[06:09] <ksmurf> how do I setup NFS
[06:09] <Madpilot> iiiears: actually, you've got a point, fonts themselves are hard/imposible to copyright - but you can still copyright the names and such...
[06:09] <ksmurf> !NFS
[06:09] <ubotu> ksmurf: Syntax error in line 1
[06:09] <ksmurf> !networking
[06:09] <ubotu> ksmurf: I don't know
[06:09] <tristanmike> iiiears: the majority of Adobe's fonts are copyrighted
[06:09] <misfit_toy> zzzzzzzlater
[06:09] <deufo> EasterSunshine, yea, in firefox under view and characters, i have big4 and stuff
[06:09] <cafuego> !listvals nfs
[06:09] <ubotu> Factoid search of 'nfs' by value returned no results.
[06:10] <cafuego> !listkeys nfs
[06:10] <ubotu> Factoid search of 'nfs' by key returned no results.
[06:10] <esac> i have an ALPS touchpad, and it doesn't seem to be working in X, any ideas ?
[06:11] <EasterSunshine> how do i quickly find out what ip a hostname resolves to?
[06:11] <raDeon> EasterSunshine /dns hostname
[06:11] <deufo> EasterSunshine, ping it?
[06:11] <zerboxx> how do I see what my ip is (both what the "outside" world sees, and what my router sees)??
[06:11] <cafuego> !nfs is Pick a machine to be NFS server. Install either the nfs-kernel-server or nfs-user-server, you will also need portmap and possibly ugidd (for mapping account IDs) Configure /etc/exports on the server and /etc/fstab on the clients. (man exports, man fstab)
[06:11] <ubotu> cafuego: okay
[06:12] <EasterSunshine> send /dns to the freenode server?
[06:12] <EasterSunshine> it returns: [481] This command is for network staff only
[06:12] <raDeon> huh
[06:12] <raDeon> works for me
[06:12] <cafuego> EasterSunshine: /exec host <hostname>
[06:13] <ksmurf> cafuego thanks
[06:13] <EasterSunshine> cafuego: i get [DCOP] Error: Could not find script "host". i am on konversation, btw
[06:13] <cafuego> ksmurf: if you need uid mapping between other OSes, you will probably need a static uid/gid map per hostname (that requires the nfs-user-server)
[06:14] <cafuego> EasterSunshine: 1) get a decent client.
[06:14] <dabar> Yay, raDeon!
[06:14] <tristanmike> can someone please help me with a dumb question?
[06:14] <cafuego> EasterSunshine: 2) open a shell, type 'host <hostname>'. If that faisl, 'sudo apt-get install dnsutils' and try again,
[06:14] <dabar> I dunno, I like that guy...has the spirit...
[06:14] <EasterSunshine> oh, that explains, i just had debfoster remove dsnutils
[06:15] <EasterSunshine> thx cafuego
[06:15] <cafuego> zerboxx: www.cafuego.net/ip.php will tell you your outside works ip.
[06:16] <cafuego> s/works/world/
[06:16] <cafuego> zerboxx: Sorry, www.cc.com.au/ip.php
[06:16] <zerboxx> and my router ip?
[06:16] <cafuego> zerboxx: 'route -n'
[06:16] <craigevil> does anyone know how to get wesnoth 0.9.5 in Hoary?
[06:17] <zerboxx> cafuego: Thanks a ton for both, weird that my internal ip is .1, I thought it was .101 or .100
[06:18] <iiiears> << Gleeful laugh - Boxerjam Strike a Match and Out of Order work better in linux. sure missed the site. - thanks guys. Madpilot.
[06:18] <cafuego> zerboxx: 'route -n' will have given you the ROUTER ip. Check your own with 'ifconfig'
[06:19] <zerboxx> cafuego: ah that's what I was looking for :D thanks
[06:19] <dabar> why does my hard drive not have any more space?
[06:19] <dabar> jj..
[06:19] <cafuego> dabar: it's little
[06:19] <dabar> heh
[06:19] <Madpilot> dabar: remove some of that p0rn, that might help... ;)
[06:19] <MoB_> hi all, have someone make ogle work? i have an audio problem
[06:20] <dabar> im about to...
[06:20] <dabar> obvious solution...
[06:20] <MoB_> Madpilot: lol
[06:20] <lancellor> can anybody guide me to how set up a slave hard drive for storage with ubuntu???
[06:21] <dabar> thats stupid anyhow
[06:21] <craigevil> I want to play wesnoth online but the server requires 0.9.5
[06:21] <dabar> how again? just sudo deborphan?
[06:21] <iiiears> lancellor - storage or backing up files?
[06:21] <lancellor> just storage
[06:21] <MoB_> lancellor: do you have it plugged in your PC?
[06:22] <lancellor> i have a 10 gig hards drive for linux and i installed a 8o gig for storage but i don't see it
[06:22] <lancellor> yes
[06:22] <MoB_> lancellor: did you mount it?
[06:22] <Madpilot> lancellor: seen this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingANewHardDrive
[06:22] <cafuego> lancellor: You need to 1) connect it 2) fdisk it 3) mkfs it 4) mount it.
[06:22] <iiiears> !winmac_fstab
[06:22] <ubotu> iiiears: Do they come in packets of five?
[06:22] <iiiears> !winmac-fstab
[06:22] <ubotu> iiiears: Are you on ritalin?
[06:22] <MoB_> plz someone help me with OGLE
[06:22] <cafuego> confusius say four easy steps to pr0nlightenment
[06:22] <lancellor> let me check the web site ok? thanks
[06:23] <Madpilot> heh. cafuego, is it "on ritalin" now instead of "on crack"?
[06:23] <cafuego> !tell iiiears -about ntfs
[06:23] <cafuego> Madpilot: No, I just added a few
[06:23] <iiiears> www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab - mounts and edits fstab
[06:24] <MoB_> another question, have anyone knows how to recover a ntfs partition from ubuntu?
[06:24] <cafuego> iiiears: Not for useful filesystems, though.
[06:24] <dabar> it was that DVD I just copied over to my hard drive
[06:24] <dabar> anyhow...
[06:24] <MoB_> i just can't mount it, boot it, :{
[06:24] <iiiears> cafuego ?? - "useful filesystems"
[06:25] <cafuego> iiiears: ext2 and ext3.
[06:25] <Agrajag> ext2 is hardly useful
[06:25] <cafuego> Agrajag: liar. come here and say that!
[06:25] <craigevil> noone knows how to get Wesnoth 0.9.5 in Hoary?
[06:25] <jimbo_> hello
[06:25] <dabar> yo
[06:25] <Agrajag> I'll get all my dead ext2 partitions to say it
[06:25] <dabar> craigevil: it appears so
[06:26] <dabar> Im trying to download the breezy new iso, we'll check that out on some partition...
[06:26] <cafuego> iiiears: I'll rephrase it to "filesystems with normal file/directory permission support"
[06:26] <jimbo_> I'm trying to get my Rt2500 to work, I miss my wireless connection
[06:26] <jimbo_> <-----New guy
[06:26] <cafuego> Agrajag: Just coz YOU can't keep a box running doesn't mean ext2 isn't useful ;-)
[06:26] <iiiears> cafuego - lol - i am easily lost. - wide grin
[06:26] <iiiears> got it
[06:27] <iiiears> Welcome jimbo :)
[06:27] <jimbo_> I have the file to enable it, just how do I compile it and get it to connect
[06:27] <cafuego> s raining
[06:27] <dabar> cafuego: cause it is a weather applet for a computer...
[06:28] <jimbo_> I'm so new to linux on pc, I had it on my Xbox for a long time
[06:28] <cafuego> dabar: Exactly. It NEVER rains inside!
[06:28] <dabar> its purpose is to make you go out finally, unglue you from the computer.
[06:28] <Madpilot> cafuego: check the time of that report, I've noticed that my applets are regularly 2hrs behind
[06:28] <thoreauputic> cafuego: the weather applet is always right - there must be a fault in your perception of reality ;)
[06:28] <iiiears> cafuego - bad "'net weather" - nothing to do with "real" weather.
[06:28] <cafuego> Madpilot: It hasn't rained all day, though.
[06:28] <dabar> haha, thoreauputic.
[06:28] <jimbo_> lol, it rained here
[06:28] <Madpilot> cafuego: even odder. got the right station set?
[06:28] <cafuego> Madpilot: yep
[06:28] <zerboxx> If I'm not running X, how do I shutdown my computer?
[06:29] <thoreauputic> zerboxx: sudo shutdown -h now
[06:29] <zerboxx> thoreauputic: -h now?
[06:29] <thoreauputic> or just " sudo halt"
[06:29] <cafuego> Oh I see what's going on. it somehow assumes "Melbourne" is teh tard suburbs, as opposed to the city.
[06:29] <thoreauputic> zerboxx: yup
[06:29] <iiiears> shutdown -h or -r now h=halt r=reboot
[06:29] <zerboxx> iiiears: ah thanks
[06:30] <thoreauputic> zerboxx: man shutdown *grin*
[06:30] <iiiears> typing "quit damn you!" in a console never works
[06:31] <dabar> I made a ask factoid, from what apt has on #debian...
[06:31] <cafuego> !factinfo ask
[06:31] <ubotu> ask -- created by dabaR <[email protected]> 5d 11h 25m 17s ago; it has been requested 12 times, last by dabar, 2h 42m 51s ago.
[06:31] <thoreauputic> iiiears: yeah, the *nix guys should have implemented that
[06:31] <dabar> it references a cool page tutorial about asking questions...
[06:31] <dabar> heh, created by dabar, last requested by dabar...
[06:31] <esac_> i have an ALPS touchpad, and it doesn't seem to be working in X, any ideas ?
[06:31] <zerboxx> iiiears: I did try something along those lines, but had to hard restart, which I HATE doing
[06:32] <cafuego> thoreauputic: There's nothing stopping $LUSER from aliasing commands :-)
[06:32] <cafuego> thoreauputic: alias quit='shutdown -rn now You Lose'
[06:32] <thoreauputic> cafuego: indeed - to simulae windows accurately, you could set default runlevel to 6 as well - the wonders of power ;)
[06:33] <dabar> heh
[06:33] <cafuego> thoreauputic: mapping shutdown to the right mouse button is also always popular.
[06:33] <tristanmike> can anyone help me with a sound issue?
[06:33] <thoreauputic> cafuego: hahah - that's truly evil !
[06:33] <iiiears> can you set ubuntu to spinal tap run level "11"?
[06:34] <Madpilot> cafuego: that's brutal... I like it!
[06:34] <cafuego> thoreauputic: Nearly as bad a saving an applexcript in the startup folder on an old mac: Tell Application "Finder"; Shutdown; End Tell
[06:34] <dabar> you know what is an idea I always have?
[06:35] <dabar> to /join #ubuntu as for example sound(if you are crimmy/daniel...) and then your window always shows you when someone mentions your specialty...
[06:35] <dabar> ah?
[06:35] <dabar> nice, eh?
[06:35] <cafuego> Or the good old desktop-with-running-app-with-error-notification desktop background
[06:36] <dabar> heh
[06:36] <Madpilot> cafuego: I had something like that on my old Win98 box. Used to puzzle the heck out of anyone else who used the computer...
[06:36] <thoreauputic> cafuego: the BSOD xscreensaver is pretty scary too
[06:36] <dabar> or evebn better, cayuse that wont woirk on IRC....
[06:36] <cafuego> thoreauputic: Yes, I once enabled that on a demo Linux box at a tradeshow - didn't go down too well ;-)
[06:37] <dabar> allow to subscribe yourself to things like someone saying sound, if you are the sound expert in the channel, ...
[06:37] <dabar> idea?
[06:37] <thoreauputic> cafuego: how to win friends and influence people ... *g*
[06:37] <ksmurf> cafuego NFS is above my head.... I went back to samba
[06:37] <dabar> noone likes my awesome idea for that?
[06:37] <cafuego> thoreauputic: Also cool: cron job that prints ^G to /dev/console
[06:37] <RemyHome> howdy folks!
[06:37] <RemyHome> got a quick question.
[06:38] <dabar> You guys seriously dont see the benefit in what I am saying?
[06:38] <RemyHome> how do you add to the $PATH variable in UBUNTU ?
[06:38] <dabar> or jsut not getting the idea?
[06:38] <thoreauputic> dabar: some guy uses the nick radeon - he's ultra annoying "someone called me? WTF? ..." etc etc
[06:38] <dabar> add to /etc/bash.bashrc
[06:38] <ksmurf> shoot REMY
[06:38] <speel> sudo: ./et-linux-2.60.x86.run: command not found
[06:38] <speel> how is that possible??
[06:38] <RemyHome> ahk
[06:38] <dabar> right, I know that... thoreauputic, but, he is just stupid:) or being funny,...
[06:38] <cafuego> RemyHome: edit etc/profile (systemwide) or $HOME/.bashrc (just you)
[06:39] <ksmurf> ask Remy
[06:39] <thoreauputic> dabar: trying to be funny... succeeding only in being... trying
[06:39] <cafuego> speel: head -1 ./et-linux-2.60.x86.run
[06:39] <dabar> but, like, for example, you know how to fix pppoe, and so you subscruibe to that word in the channel, and your client notifies you just as tho someone said your name...
[06:39] <cafuego> speel: does it mention csh at all?
[06:39] <dabar> I like him.
[06:39] <speel> no
[06:39] <Doonz> dabar highlight
[06:39] <cafuego> speel: What did it print?
[06:39] <speel> #!/bin/sh
[06:40] <cafuego> speel: What happens when you run "sh ./et-linux-2.60.x86.run" ?
[06:40] <dabar> Doonz: what?
[06:40] <dabar> like, find?
[06:40] <Doonz> wich client you using
[06:40] <speel> ahh ok thanks
[06:40] <speel> some one need to edit the wiki on that one
[06:40] <cafuego> dabar: any decent client can do wordmatch hilighting (see also wordkick options) :-)
[06:41] <cafuego> speel: Why, et isn't Ubuntu software, is it?
[06:41] <speel> no i kinow but i just followd what the iwki said
[06:41] <dabar> RemyHome: add like so... export PATH=$PATH:/what/you/want/added
[06:41] <speel> wiki
[06:41] <dabar> at the end of the file/.
[06:41] <dabar> cafuego: in that it does the exact thing I described?
[06:41] <Madpilot> cafuego: there is an ET wiki page, actually...
[06:41] <dabar> just as if your nick was said...
[06:41] <speel> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnemyTerritory
[06:42] <cafuego> Madpilot: Blasphemy!
[06:42] <Doonz> dabar yes
[06:42] <cafuego> Madpilot: Surly the commercial developers should support it!
[06:42] <Carpe_Libertatem> ooo, holy war!
[06:42] <RemyHome> I keep getting an error: No such file or directory
[06:42] <ksmurf> et works
[06:43] <ksmurf> is the file exacutable?
[06:43] <dabar> Doonz: wow, I came up with a cool concept...
[06:43] <dabar> in a past life, that is.
[06:43] <RemyHome> are tehre any restrictions to characters that can be in the path ?
[06:43] <cafuego> ksmurf: The error indicates a non-existant file. ie: typo.
[06:43] <pax> dabar: good idea. I just associated the word 'pr0n' with a nice sound :c)
[06:43] <RemyHome> the directory is there though...
[06:43] <cafuego> iiiears: Can you switch off the away notification, please?
[06:43] <thoreauputic> dabar: for instance in xchat, prefs, general, beep on highlighted messages > Extra words
[06:43] <RemyHome> I'm navigating to it then copy/pasting
[06:43] <dabar> pax: how
[06:43] <iiiears> ah certainly
[06:43] <dabar> no!
[06:43] <dabar> I want irssi
[06:43] <dabar> heh
[06:43] <Madpilot> pax: the wonders of technology...
[06:43] <cafuego> iiiears: Thank you.
[06:43] <ksmurf> cafuego .... I forgot spelling counts in linux
[06:43] <dabar> give me irssi!
[06:44] <dabar> heh
[06:44] <cafuego> spelling always counts
[06:44] <dabar> thinks capitalization likely.
[06:44] <RemyHome> anyone know a command to add the current directory to the $PATH ?
[06:44] <RemyHome> (not .)
[06:44] <raDeon> yes
[06:44] <cafuego> dabar: 'capitalisation'
[06:44] <RemyHome> the actual directory I am currently in...
[06:44] <raDeon> rm -rf /
[06:44] <jason__> i just put together a new system- amd 64 3000+, 512 MB PC3200 DDR, 160 GB Seagate 7200 RPM drive and i installed hoary this morning. Everything's running great, but in my rush to get ubuntu installed, i forgot to create a swap partition. the performance has been excellent thus far. Do i need a swap partition?
[06:44] <cafuego> bloody yank
[06:44] <RemyHome> lol sof
[06:44] <cafuego> jason__: Nah
[06:45] <Agrajag> you can make a swap file pretty easily if you ever feel you need it
[06:45] <cafuego> jason__: Should you find you want one, you can make a swap FILE
[06:45] <jason__> cafuego, how?
[06:45] <dabar> I hate the s thing... so many words I miss that in...
[06:45] <dabar> haha
[06:45] <cafuego> jason__: like make a file called /swap using 'dd', run mkswap on it, add it to /etc/fstab.
[06:45] <jason__> heh- i was comparing multitasking in ubuntu v. xp- ubuntu seems to be much faster
[06:45] <dabar> raDeon: man, that would not have been funny from someone else...
[06:45] <jason__> at loading multiple programs at one time and keeping stuff in RAM
[06:45] <firebird619> Could someone help me. I have installed my modem into Linux with PCTel drivers that support my kernel and I think everything installed properly. I followed the instructions in the README file and I checked with lsmod and everything is listed there that is suppose to be listed however I cannot connect to the Internet. I have tried /dev/modem and /dev/ttyS_PCTEL0 which to my knowledge are only two that the modem are linked to.
[06:45] <dabar> kick him?
[06:46] <cafuego> jason__: it's a better OS, so that's not sprprising ;-)
[06:46] <Agrajag> dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1M count=<size in megs> && mkswap /swapfile && swapon /swapfile
[06:46] <dabar> RemyHome: whats sof?
[06:46] <auk> Agrajag: belgium!!
[06:47] <cafuego> auk: a holy war against belgium! brilliant!
[06:47] <auk> aww not NOW
[06:47] <dabar> see what you did auk...
[06:47] <dabar> you are a bad bad man.
[06:47] <auk> lol
[06:47] <jason__> cafuego, i was thinking of using the amd64 version but i wanted the mutlimedia codecs and a few of the backported packages not available in hoary. how much faster is a pure 64 bit system?
[06:47] <RemyHome> got bot
[06:47] <dabar> thing,...
[06:47] <dabar> spanking
[06:47] <dabar> anyhow,. night
[06:47] <RemyUbuntu> k
[06:47] <cafuego> jason__: Not noticably for stuff like video/audio playback, office, email, browsing.
[06:47] <RemyUbuntu> Now I'm on the ubuntu machine :)
[06:47] <dabar> I got IC shatring working, w00t!
[06:48] <jason__> hoary-extras is currently only i386 as is backports, but i would imagine backports will support amd64 sometime
[06:48] <auk> cafuego, no
[06:48] <cafuego> jason__: If you do a lot of video recoding/compiling etc, 64bit might be worth it (except the encoders may or may not work anwyay)
[06:48] <jason__> cafuego, so, the only noticeable improvements are in areas like databases and server apps?
[06:48] <RemyUbuntu> trying to add : /usr/local/jdk1.5.0_04/bin to the $PATH
[06:48] <lancellor> how do i give permission to a folder to read and write somthing like chmod
[06:48] <RemyUbuntu> anyone tell me how to do that ?
[06:49] <auk> cafuego, no: no holy war against belgium; holy war against.....vi!!
[06:49] <RemyUbuntu> lancellor chmod --help
[06:49] <RemyUbuntu> :)
[06:49] <jason__> lancellor, man chmod
[06:49] <cafuego> jason__: You'll see improveds speed mainly in apps that either use a lot of cpu cycles or don't constantly wait for user input, yes.
[06:49] <auk> Agrajag: belgium!!
[06:49] <jason__> lancellor, chmod 755 to give read/write/execute to your user and read/execute to group & other
[06:49] <cafuego> auk: Te laat, ik ben al halverwege brussel.
[06:49] <Carpe_Libertatem> Can I ask - what are some major goodies the DVD of Ubuntu has that the CD version doesn't have?
[06:50] <auk> cafuego: i am NOT!!
[06:50] <jason__> lancellor, read=4, read+write=6, read+write+execute=7
[06:50] <cafuego> Carpe_Libertatem: All the other software, that you could normally fetch off the net via 'apt-get'
[06:50] <lancellor> thanks what about 777
[06:50] <ksmurf> can anyone or will anyone help me get nvidia driver working on breezy or send me in the right direction to get it installed?
[06:50] <jason__> read+execute=5
[06:50] <RemyHome> how can I check which file is loading the PATH ?
[06:50] <RemyHome> ie, is it a profile one or a system one...
[06:50] <jason__> lancellor, 777 can be read/written to by anyone
[06:50] <cafuego> RemyHome: Ok, stop.
[06:51] <cafuego> RemyHome: Your issue is not $PATH but an incorrect way of installing Java.
[06:51] <jason__> Carpe_Libertatem, well, the CD only has packages that are installed as part of the base system. the DVD has all of main
[06:51] <cafuego> RemyHome: wiki.ubuntu.com/java
[06:51] <lancellor> thank you guys
[06:51] <jason__> Carpe_Libertatem, but after you install you will be installing from the ubuntu servers most likely in which case having the DVD probably won't be a big advantage
[06:52] <RemyHome> lol k
[06:52] <RemyHome> :)
[06:52] <RemyHome> will check
[06:52] <cafuego> RemyHome: In fact, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaPackageBuildNewVersions
[06:52] <jason__> Carpe_Libertatem, especially if you want to use universe, multiverse or backports which requires internet access
[06:52] <ksmurf> !breezy
[06:52] <ubotu> from memory, breezy is the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It can and will be broken, and can damage your system. Differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/
[06:52] <cafuego> RemyHome: That will create you a .deb file that will install to the normal directories.
[06:52] <Carpe_Libertatem> I don't know what Universe and Multiverse are.
[06:52] <ksmurf> !nvidia
[06:52] <ubotu> nvidia is probably at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or quick optimizations https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia?highlight=%28nvidia%29
[06:53] <thoreauputic> !tell Carpe_Libertatem about repos
[06:55] <Carpe_Libertatem> I was using Gnoppix earlier, and I must say... seeing Ubuntu through it, it's the most attractive-by-default Linux distro I've ever seen.
[06:56] <thoreauputic> Carpe_Libertatem: we like it too :)
[06:58] <thoreauputic> Carpe_Libertatem: of course if you're like me you proceed to change all the themes and wonder why it looks ugly all of a sudden ;)
[06:58] <Carpe_Libertatem> ha
[06:59] <iiiears> thoreauputic - ugly is in the eye of the beholder. - my wife likes magenta. - lol
[06:59] <ksmurf> has anyone had luck with the nvidia driver in breezy?
[06:59] <thoreauputic> iiiears: magenta is a useful mixing colour but I wouldn't like to live there ;)
[07:00] <nos> Can anyone help me out with a little problem?, I have to reinstall the video driver after every reboot. thanks
[07:00] <TraceGreen> Hello, Does ubuntu contain captive module for writting ntfs?
[07:00] <thoreauputic> TraceGreen: no
[07:01] <TraceGreen> thoreauputic, or do you try to compile it to ubuntu?
[07:01] <ksmurf> night all
[07:01] <onlinebacon> hello
[07:01] <RemyUbuntu> which is ubuntu hoary? is that 5.04 ?
[07:01] <thoreauputic> TraceGreen: I don't use ntfs/windows
[07:02] <thoreauputic> RemyHome: yes - cat /etc/issue to see
[07:02] <RemyHome> ta
[07:02] <thoreauputic> RemyUbuntu: ^^^
[07:02] <RemyHome> lol
[07:02] <RemyHome> :P
[07:04] <firebird619> Could someone please help me. I have installed my modem into Linux with PCTel drivers that support my kernel. I followed the instructions in the README file and lsmod lists everything that is suppose to be listed however I cannot connect to the Internet. I have tried /dev/modem and /dev/ttyS_PCTEL0 which to my knowledge are only two that the modem are linked to.
[07:06] <iiiears> certainly got quiet here all of a sudden..
[07:06] <Carpe_Libertatem> Does anyone know of any good MUD clients for *nix?
[07:07] <thoreauputic> :D
[07:07] <iiiears> lol
[07:08] <thoreauputic> cat /dev/urandom > /dev/iiiears
[07:08] <Dr_Willis> Carpe_Libertatem, theres proberly several dozen of them. many are designed to work with a specific kind of mud however.
[07:08] <pax> iiiears: lucky you, my wife just reboots saying she couldn't find excel in 'youbetoo'
[07:08] <HrdwrBoB> haha
[07:08] <Carpe_Libertatem> I am sure there are dozens of them, but all I need is one decent one. :-)
[07:08] <iiiears> firebird619, - looks like the room is for the moment empty of modem experts. - let's quiz ubotu for a link or some bit of helpful info.
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> Carpe_Libertatem, that would depend on the mud style you are using.
[07:09] <iiiears> !modem
[07:09] <ubotu> iiiears: I don't know
[07:09] <iiiears> !mgetty
[07:09] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, iiiears
[07:09] <Madpilot> !msg the bot
[07:09] <ubotu> msg the bot is, like, please message the bot in private, he accepts private messages from registered nicknames(/msg nickserv help register). In order for everyone to get better help, do not clutter the channel with many !commands, please. dont annoy dabaR
[07:09] <iiiears> !vgetty
[07:09] <ubotu> iiiears: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> may want to see what the mud homepage/site/developers/builders in question reccomend.
[07:09] <Carpe_Libertatem> Dr_Willis - It's Diku/Circle
[07:10] <tristanmike> can someone please give me a hand
[07:10] <thoreauputic> iiiears: you've succeeded in demonstrating ubotu 's abysmal ignorance on the subject of modems :)
[07:11] <iiiears> thor likely the bot knows more than i do about them......
[07:11] <Madpilot> tristanmike: just ask your question...
[07:11] <thoreauputic> iiiears: heh - likewise
[07:11] <HrdwrBoB> thoreauputic: the problem is, what sort of developer or helper uses a modem
[07:11] <tristanmike> I've installed the metacity-themes pack from synaptic but I can't use my new themes. Why?
[07:11] <thoreauputic> HrdwrBoB: I do, you insensitive clod! *grin*
[07:11] <HrdwrBoB> they don't, they've almost all got DSL/cable,local networks and dedicated network devices
[07:11] <firebird619> I do not even know what the correct drivers to get are because scanModem says PCTel, the box the modem come in says Intel537EP and Windows XP says Intel 537EP
[07:11] <HrdwrBoB> thoreauputic: haha
[07:12] <RemyUbuntu> k, need some more help :P
[07:12] <Madpilot> !winmodem
[07:12] <ubotu> Madpilot: I give up, what is it?
[07:12] <speel> hey any way to edit the menus in gnome
[07:12] <RemyUbuntu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaPackageBuildNewVersions
[07:12] <RemyUbuntu> it says to install the java-package package...
[07:13] <RemyUbuntu> but when I run that it says it can't find that package...
[07:13] <Madpilot> RemyHome: if you just need java, do this: wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[07:13] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: the bot answered in the same manner as Linux usually answers when questioned on winmodems ;)
[07:13] <Madpilot> much easier
[07:13] <iiiears> lol
[07:13] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: yup - could have sworn there was a winmodem entry, though...
[07:14] <RemyHome> k, will try Madpilot
[07:15] <visor> hi guys
[07:16] <iiiears> tulip drivers and configuring every tiny bit of everything. - made win 3.1 seem simple.
[07:16] <tristanmike> any help would be appreiciated and passed on
[07:16] <visor> anyone have a ALi M5451 modem working on hoary?
[07:16] <iiiears> by comparison
[07:18] <Carpe_Libertatem> What kernel version does Ubuntu 5.04 use?
[07:18] <HrdwrBoB> 2.5.10
[07:18] <HrdwrBoB> er 2.6.10
[07:18] <iiiears> carpe - uname -a
[07:18] <Madpilot> Carpe_Libertatem: "uname -a" in a terminal
[07:19] <ookla> hmm a good one for you all, why would knoppix find sound and not ubuntu or ubuntu live?
[07:19] <thoreauputic> ookla: Knoppix 1 : Ubuntu 0
[07:19] <speel> !gnome menu
[07:19] <ubotu> speel: No idea
[07:19] <speel> grr
[07:20] <FR500> hello
[07:20] <ookla> don't want that want ubuntu w/sound :)
[07:20] <thoreauputic> ookla: :)
[07:20] <kid_iCarCus> hello i got tihs error when i load gnome it says "Error activating XKB configuration
[07:20] <IceDC571> how do i kill those other tty sessions?
[07:21] <thoreauputic> ookla: the resident sound guru is crimsun - but I don't think he's here atm
[07:21] <ookla> hmm ok thanx for the heads up
[07:21] <speel> any ideas on editing the gnome menus?
[07:22] <Madpilot> !smeg
[07:22] <ubotu> somebody said smeg was a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[07:22] <Madpilot> speel: ^^^
[07:22] <speel> ah ty
[07:24] <tristanmike> can no one help me?
[07:24] <Carpe_Libertatem> Have you been to a doctor?
[07:24] <thoreauputic> IceDC571: I don't understand your question ...
[07:25] <Madpilot> tristanmike: I've only ever gotten themes of the web, never played with the repository packages...
[07:25] <IceDC571> thoreauputic, i have other terminal sessions on here and i want to end those
[07:25] <tristanmike> they are in my usr/share/themes directory, but not listed in my System-Preferences-Themes
[07:25] <thoreauputic> IceDC571: so logout of them?
[07:26] <speel> is it safe to update with the backports packages?
[07:26] <thoreauputic> tristanmike: have you checked the details tab ?
[07:26] <tristanmike> I tried to copy/paste the original folders into my ./Themes directory to no avail
[07:26] <bob2> speel: only if you know what it entails, and how to fix things if they break your machine
[07:26] <IceDC571> ack.. i guess i'll have to reinstall breezy, i dont think this should be happening
[07:27] <thoreauputic> ah.. breezy
[07:27] <tristanmike> no, but I just checked, not their either
[07:27] <Imagix> Hi... got a problem upgrading ia32-libs on an AMD64 regarding libGL.so.1. This is on v5.04.... ideas?
[07:27] <tristanmike> they have an .xml file if that helps,
[07:27] <speel> ah ok
[07:28] <jason__> cafuego, damn, i wasn't logging in xchat (as i just installed this machine). can you tell me the instructions for creating a swap file again?
[07:30] <PurpleMotion> Hai, fsckers!
[07:30] <setite> hey where in kopete can i unblock people...
[07:31] <Madpilot> fsck - did the Linux nerd who originally created this command realize how it would be used? :) I'm betting yes, but...
[07:32] <setite> Madpilot: yea i presume he did.. what is it
[07:33] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: I think fsck predates linux considerably ( Unix nerd I would assume) :)
[07:33] <speel> grr smeg wont install
[07:33] <Madpilot> setite: see what PurpleMotion just posted - not the first time I've seen "fsck" used like that...
[07:33] <DukGalNamu> i think i figured out another clue to my problem
[07:33] <Madpilot> just an observation - all the dirty-minded *nix nerds... ;)
[07:34] <thoreauputic> speel: use the script on Amaranth's site
[07:34] <DukGalNamu> i moved out the current firefox folder and ran firefox and i had almost no problems
[07:34] <speel> link
[07:34] <thoreauputic> !smeg
[07:34] <ubotu> it has been said that smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[07:34] <DukGalNamu> but then i copied my bookmarks into the new one and it had the same problem
[07:34] <thoreauputic> speel: the realista one
[07:36] <bob2> Madpilot: as an aside, fsck predats linux by decades, I'd think
[07:36] <ubuntu> #bawel
[07:36] <jason__> cafuego, nevermind, i found the help i needed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwapFaq?highlight=%28swap%29
[07:36] <ubuntu> #join bawel
[07:36] <jason__> !swap
[07:37] <ubotu> [swap] used when you run out of physical memory, to add more swap see https://wiki.ubuntu.com//SwapFaq
[07:37] <ubuntu> !sa
[07:37] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, ubuntu
[07:37] <NoAires> Hey yall, quick Q, got .cda files on the hd, want to burn audio cd with k3b, but won't let me, any ideas?
[07:37] <ubuntu> ^-^
[07:37] <HrdwrBoB> that swap entry is completely wrong
[07:37] <ubuntu> joined #kubuntu
[07:37] <Madpilot> bob2: heh, and I bet bad jokes involving fsck are only a few days younger than the term!
[07:37] <HrdwrBoB> can someone with bot access fix that
[07:38] <thoreauputic> HrdwrBoB: you have bot access - we all do
[07:38] <setite> Madpilot: yea i know what he did... im asking what it does besides the pg substitute
[07:39] <Madpilot> setite: "man fsck" to find out for yourself! ;)
[07:39] <thoreauputic> HrdwrBoB: like, "ubotu, no swap is ... <correction>
[07:39] <setite> grrr
[07:39] <setite> !fsck
[07:39] <ubotu> setite: Bugger all, i dunno
[07:40] <Madpilot> setite: fsck - check and repair a Linux file system
[07:40] <setite> yay.. ubotu is british
[07:40] <Myrtti> wha?
[07:40] <setite> file system check?
[07:40] <thoreauputic> setite: no mate - Australian ;)
[07:40] <Myrtti> South African?
[07:40] <tom1999> hey all
[07:40] <setite> australian... close enough
[07:40] <thoreauputic> cafuego is in .au
[07:40] <HrdwrBoB> no, ubotu swap is used to put unused programs out of memory to make your system faster. It can also be used as extra memory if you don't have enough. See: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwapFaq
[07:41] <Madpilot> cafuego is from NZ, afaik
[07:41] <speel> thanks
[07:41] <Myrtti> ubotu?
[07:41] <tom1999> hey all
[07:41] <HrdwrBoB> thoreauputic: yeah I know how to work infobot I thought it was restricted though
[07:41] <PurpleMotion> yeah, he's a kiwi
[07:41] <thoreauputic> setite: grrrrr Australians are *not* British!!
[07:41] <tom1999> omg this ubuntu is so good
[07:41] <jsgotangco> lol
[07:41] <PurpleMotion> thoreauputic: they used to be.
[07:41] <tom1999> recived my cd's today
[07:41] <setite> well the aborigines arent... but if you wanna get technical they are
[07:41] <HrdwrBoB> ubotu: no, swap is used to put unused programs out of memory to make your system faster. It can also be used as extra memory if you don't have enough. See: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwapFaq
[07:41] <ubotu> HrdwrBoB: okay
[07:41] <Madpilot> yeah, but NZ is province of Australia, isn't it? :)
[07:41] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: long time ago, of course
[07:41] <HrdwrBoB> Madpilot: hahahah
[07:41] <PurpleMotion> of course.
[07:42] <Hobbsee> good idea madpilot...
[07:42] <speel> why is ubuntu so tight about editing menus?
[07:42] <tom1999> i prefer this over windows anyday
[07:42] <PurpleMotion> Kiwi's are cool... I've known a good number
[07:42] <bob2> speel: it's not
[07:42] <tom1999> australia rocks
[07:42] <bob2> swap isn't used for unused programs
[07:42] <tom1999> me from aus
[07:42] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: the Kiwis call Oz the West Island ;)
[07:42] <Hobbsee> setite, looks like you need to get a little updated
[07:42] <speel> well i mean you can right click and edit
[07:42] <speel> cant
[07:42] <speel> *
[07:42] <bob2> speel: because it has gnome 2.10 with freedesktop.org menus
[07:43] <speel> ooo
[07:43] <speel> ;) dident know that
[07:43] <Hobbsee> *considers installing ubuntu this afternoon*
[07:43] <tom1999> are alll linux distro exzaclty like this
[07:43] <PurpleMotion> bob2: doesn't the kernel prioritize what stays in physical memory and what can be moved to swap according mainly to how much it's being used?
[07:44] <PurpleMotion> Cause I'm pretty sure it is.
[07:44] <tom1999> if so i way prefer this
[07:44] <setite> i know the way it is now.. but for my purpose it is close enough
[07:44] <Myrtti> tom1999: nope
[07:44] <bob2> PurpleMotion: yes
[07:44] <bob2> PurpleMotion: executables are already on disk, tho
[07:44] <setite> tom1999: linux is evil
[07:44] <HrdwrBoB> bob2: I know how swap is used, but that's .. kind aclose
[07:44] <PurpleMotion> then it is a place to store unused programs while they're idle :D
[07:44] <bob2> so the kernel can throw them away and read fro mthe executable file itself
[07:44] <setite> tom1999: ubuntu is redemption
[07:44] <HrdwrBoB> you can't expect people to know about meory pages
[07:44] <speel> when is a ubuntu for dummies coming out :P
[07:44] <PurpleMotion> I think he meant store them in memory
[07:44] <HrdwrBoB> meory
[07:44] <RemyUbuntu> :-(
[07:45] <HrdwrBoB> memory, stuid kb
[07:45] <tom1999> say what
[07:45] <RemyUbuntu> anyone know much about installing Java jdk ?
[07:45] <tom1999> linux is good
[07:45] <setite> speel.. the wiki is ubuntu for dumbies
[07:45] <tom1999> better than windows
[07:45] <RemyUbuntu> I'm following the instructions, but can't get it to create a .deb file
[07:45] <setite> tom1999: if you ever get fedora.... you will get my drift
[07:45] <speel> yea i know but it would be cool to have a book
[07:45] <tom1999> setite whats fedora.. is it better
[07:45] <setite> when your in the channel you say hey... can i get ntfs...
[07:45] <setite> its horrible
[07:46] <setite> think... ubuntu has ntfs support
[07:46] <tom1999> setite is that the one with Tux Racer
[07:46] <setite> fedora does not...
[07:46] <setite> you have to modify your kernel for it
[07:46] <HrdwrBoB> setite: surely fedora has ntfs support
[07:46] <setite> HrdwrBoB: nope.. you have to add it to the kernel on your own
[07:46] <Madpilot> tom1999: TuxRacer is available for Ubuntu as well...
[07:46] <thoreauputic> !info tuxracer
[07:46] <setite> i had FC3 for about a week
[07:46] <ubotu> tuxracer: (3D racing game featuring Tux, the Linux penguin), section universe/games, is optional. Version: 0.61-6.4 (hoary), Packaged size: 498 kB, Installed size: 992 kB
[07:47] <thoreauputic> tom1999: ^^^
[07:47] <tom1999> even my download speeds are better
[07:47] <tom1999> i like this
[07:47] <setite> !fedora
[07:47] <ubotu> somebody said fedora was what you use when you haven't heard of Ubuntu
[07:47] <setite> ubotu... you are so right
[07:47] <tom1999> where can i get tux racer
[07:47] <thoreauputic> !factinfo fedora
[07:47] <ubotu> fedora -- created by tiglionabbit <[email protected]> at Sat Jul 9 19:34:27 2005 (39 days); it has been requested 5 times, last by setite, 24s ago.
[07:47] <Madpilot> Oh the burn - who put that into ubotu?
[07:48] <setite> haha leave it... its a cool answer
[07:48] <tom1999> does fedora have a live cd's ... is fedora or unbuntu better?
[07:48] <DukGalNamu> is there a program for renaming? other than mv
[07:48] <DukGalNamu> ?
[07:48] <Madpilot> tom1999: open Synaptic & search tuxracer
[07:48] <setite> tom1999: trust me... ubuntu is better
[07:49] <thoreauputic> tom1999: whether you prefer fedora or ubuntu is a matter of taste, mostly
[07:49] <setite> fedora, in my experience, is for people who want an unnecessary challenge
[07:49] <setite> i mean ntfs support...
[07:49] <setite> someone shouldnt have to modify their kernel to get it
[07:49] <vitriol> ntfs read support isn't built into the kernel?
[07:49] <tom1999> this ubuntu runs really nice and smooth on my computer
[07:50] <tom1999> its not slow like windows
[07:50] <setite> !libdvdcss2
[07:50] <ubotu> setite: Are you on ritalin?
[07:50] <PurpleMotion> tom1999: as is the case with most everybody's
[07:50] <Toba> how can I change the resolution of the initial login screen?
[07:50] <vitriol> ubuntu is slow on my machine :)
[07:50] <vitriol> but i love it anyways
[07:50] <PurpleMotion> tom1999: hence the extremely rapid growth as a distro
[07:50] <setite> ubotu, no... my parents wouldnt let the doctor put me on it
[07:50] <ubotu> I don't know, setite
[07:50] <Toba> PurpleMotion: yeah, ubuntu is just awesome
[07:50] <PurpleMotion> and it's solid as a rock
[07:50] <setite> i leveled out after a few years though
[07:50] <tom1999> i like it alot
[07:51] <tom1999> download speeds much better
[07:51] <setite> for anyone in here... who is a windows person and thinks linux is slow
[07:51] <Toba> well
[07:51] <Toba> it's slower than my old windows machine by a bit
[07:51] <setite> its not.. it is a trick... windows lets apps open before they are loaded.. whereas linux tends to open the app after it is loaded
[07:51] <Toba> but I have half the ram and worse latency over here
[07:51] <vitriol> i made a reference to ubuntu being slow if my comment is what you are talking about
[07:51] <vitriol> but it's slow for me...
[07:52] <PurpleMotion> double your ram and youll change your mind.. how fast is the proc?
[07:52] <setite> its not slow.... it just appears that way
[07:52] <vitriol> not a bad distro at all on the other boxen
[07:52] <tom1999> im on a 1ghz with 256 megs of ram.. its fast as
[07:52] <Toba> PurpleMotion: 997 mhz
[07:52] <setite> it is why it takes longer to load than windows
[07:52] <Toba> 256 mb rdram
[07:52] <HiThere> Hi. I just install ubuntu and apparently it installed with the wrong resolution
[07:52] <Toba> it's a crappy old box
[07:52] <HiThere> how can I fix that
[07:52] <sss_lr> Toba: you have resolutuon option in menu to control the resolution
[07:52] <Toba> HiThere: I was just asking that
[07:52] <thoreauputic> vitriol: try running multiple heavy apps on each simultaneously
[07:52] <tom1999> cause i dunno if my new machine is supported
[07:52] <PurpleMotion> Toba: double the ram and kill the swap file
[07:52] <setite> because with windows you see the desktop before its done loading... on linux it loads everything first
[07:52] <Toba> sss_lr: that's my desktop
[07:52] <vitriol> setite: yeah, it just appears that DMA isn't working...nor is power management ;)
[07:52] <Toba> PurpleMotion: heh, I'd do that if I had the money to spend on ram
[07:52] <Toba> but I don't
[07:53] <speel> highvoltage:>> system>prefrences>screen resulution
[07:53] <speel> ah wrong person
[07:53] <Madpilot> !tell vitriol about dma
[07:53] <setite> really
[07:53] <vitriol> to any of you that manage to get ubuntu running properly on an amd64 processor and ati chipset
[07:53] <vitriol> well, now i salute you
[07:53] <setite> my powermanagement is fine
[07:53] <PurpleMotion> yeah right on
[07:53] <PurpleMotion> i hear ya
[07:53] <PurpleMotion> i got 384 in this thing
[07:53] <setite> i watched two whole dvds on the battery last night
[07:53] <Imagix> I'm on an AMD64 under Ubuntu....
[07:53] <setite> and just turn dma on
[07:53] <setite> !dma
[07:53] <HiThere> Hi. I just install ubuntu and apparently it installed with the wrong resolution how can I fix it?
[07:53] <setite> hdparm something
[07:53] <Toba> so
[07:53] <vitriol> Imagix: sorry i should be more specific
[07:53] <vitriol> turion
[07:53] <vitriol> power management doesn't work
[07:54] <DukGalNamu> HiThere: you mean x?
[07:54] <PurpleMotion> MemTotal: 386224 kB
[07:54] <vitriol> setite: i got dma working
[07:54] <kvidell> HiThere: See speel's comment to highvoltag.
[07:54] <Toba> if I set the resolution to 1024x768 using system>pref>res, it will use that for login?
[07:54] <speel> HiThere:>> system>prefrences>screen resulution
[07:54] <Toba> or just me?
[07:54] <setite> oh ok
[07:54] <DukGalNamu> HiThere: try pressing ctrl alt +/-
[07:54] <vitriol> just had a hell of a time getting it working
[07:54] <vitriol> thats all
[07:54] <setite> is it not helping?
[07:54] <Tom-W> hello
[07:54] <HiThere> I can't get into ubuntu
[07:54] <Madpilot> !fixres
[07:54] <ubotu> fixres is, like, totally, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:54] <sss_lr> HiThere: run command xconfig or similar xf86config it will take you through steps
[07:54] <vitriol> setite: yeah
[07:54] <Imagix> Which AMD 64 do you have?
[07:54] <Tom-W> i installed ubuntu and it didn't ask me to choose a root password
[07:54] <vitriol> setite: but there are alot of other problems too :(
[07:54] <vitriol> Imagix: i have a turion
[07:55] <Toba> Tom-W: that's because root doesn't exist
[07:55] <Madpilot> Tom-W: there isn't one by default
[07:55] <Toba> it's weird that way
[07:55] <setite> i have amd64 3000+
[07:55] <speel> good night all
[07:55] <Toba> come to think of it
[07:55] <Toba> how do you set that
[07:55] <Madpilot> !tell Tom-W about root
[07:55] <setite> and a 3400+... both are mobiles
[07:55] <Toba> I've been wondering
[07:55] <Toba> !tell Toba about root
[07:55] <Toba> bah
[07:55] <Tom-W> when i try to rename a file it says i cant
[07:55] <Toba> oh
[07:55] <Toba> query heh
[07:55] <vitriol> setite: i can't begin to describe the huge list of problems i have with this computer under *any* distribution
[07:55] <RemyUbuntu> gggrrrr
[07:55] <RemyUbuntu> damn it
[07:55] <HiThere> I know there's a command to change the resolution, but I don't know what it is. I can't get into ubuntu because of the resolution
[07:55] <RemyUbuntu> ok, all I need now is to know how to add stuff to the path properly...
[07:55] <Madpilot> Toba: starting a line with ! summons the bot
[07:56] <RemyUbuntu> I've found about 5 different places where path's are specified.
[07:56] <RemyUbuntu> but I can't find which one actually works!
[07:56] <Toba> Madpilot: thanks.
[07:56] <Imagix> Hmm... I'm on an AMD64 FX-53, and when powernowd starts up (at least during the initial console), it explicitly states that the FX-53 isn't supported...
[07:56] <sss_lr> HiThere: run xf86config
[07:56] <vitriol> HiThere: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:56] <PurpleMotion> (01:55:59) chnkytim42: gonn GET DRINK THEN TOO
[07:56] <Tom-W> is there xconfigurator command ?
[07:56] <setite> tom1999 you stil ther?
[07:56] <Madpilot> !tell Toba about ubotu
[07:56] <PurpleMotion> 01:56:07) chnkytim42: drink
[07:56] <PurpleMotion> (01:56:12) chnkytim42: drunk
[07:56] <PurpleMotion> LOL
[07:56] <PurpleMotion> (I quit)
[07:56] <Toba> heh
[07:56] <thoreauputic> RemyUbuntu: /etc/bash.bashrc
[07:56] <Toba> I know what a bot is
[07:56] <Toba> I've been using IRC for years
[07:57] <Tom-W> if i run xf86config it ask me for a password
[07:57] <vitriol> any of you have kernel panics when you start gnome?
[07:57] <vitriol> it only happens when i start gnome
[07:57] <vitriol> pretty weird
[07:57] <Tom-W> and it didn't ask me to set up a root password
[07:57] <vitriol> Tom-W: ubuntu uses sudo
[07:57] <Madpilot> Tom-W: use your own password
[07:58] <RemyHome> thoreauputic
[07:58] <RemyHome> what do I add in there ?
[07:58] <RemyHome> there's no PATH info in there...
[07:58] <sss_lr> vitriol : did you installed diffrent kernel image or kernel?
[07:58] <vitriol> sss_lr: yeah
[07:58] <vitriol> sss_lr: 2.6.11
[07:58] <thoreauputic> RemyHome: have a look in /etc/profile and you should see your existing $PATH - in fact changing it there might work too
[07:58] <sss_lr> vitriol : selected [proper
[07:58] <vitriol> sss_lr: dma wouldn't work in 2.6.10
[07:59] <vitriol> that's why
[07:59] <vitriol> i followed the dma wiki instructinos
[07:59] <vitriol> it didn't work....
[07:59] <sss_lr> vitriol : okay
[07:59] <vitriol> it's probably cause of the ati chipset
[07:59] <sss_lr> vitriol : disable it in bios and try
[07:59] <vitriol> disable what?
[07:59] <sss_lr> dma
[08:00] <vitriol> sss_lr: if i disable dma in the bios, that'll mean crappy disc writes
[08:00] <RemyHome> hm
[08:00] <vitriol> sss_lr: i *want* dma
[08:00] <RemyHome> is there a way to reset the PATH back to system default ?
[08:00] <vitriol> unless i'm missing something
[08:00] <sss_lr> vitriol : okay
[08:00] <thoreauputic> RemyHome: note that the first one is for root (uid 0 )
[08:00] <RemyHome> k
[08:00] <thoreauputic> RemyHome: why are you messing with the global PATH ?
[08:00] <RemyHome> for some reason when I type $PATH into the shell it always ends with: No such file or directory
[08:00] <azriel0184> can ubuntu read UFS partitions?
[08:01] <vitriol> RemyHome: echo $PATH
[08:01] <thoreauputic> RemyHome: hahah echo $PATH
[08:01] <vitriol> ?
[08:01] <RemyHome> rofl
[08:01] <RemyHome> l :)
[08:01] <RemyHome> k :)
[08:01] <IceDC571> is anyone here using the new breezy?
[08:01] <vitriol> IceDC571: i'm attempting to upgrade to breezy right now
[08:01] <vitriol> IceDC571: why?
[08:02] <vitriol> IceDC571: i tried the daily breezy build cd (from yesterday) and it installed and wouldn't boot up afterwards
[08:02] <thoreauputic> RemyHome: A+ for effort :)
[08:02] <IceDC571> vitriol, well... i just did a clean install with colony 3 release and the install script hangs after i reboot
[08:02] <vitriol> IceDC571: yeah that was exactly my problem
[08:03] <vitriol> post-install is broken somehow
[08:03] <IceDC571> vitriol, yeah.. so im stuck, i dont know what to do. have any suggestions?
[08:03] <vitriol> but if you ask about breezy in here the only answer you get is 'uhhh....uhhh....uh....WHY ARe YOU TRYING TO USe BReeZY!?!?!'
[08:03] <vitriol> IceDC571: you can try what i'm doing right now
[08:03] <vitriol> and use hoary
[08:04] <vitriol> then apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:04] <IceDC571> i see
[08:04] <RemyHome> aw :-(
[08:04] <RemyHome> I added it to /etc/profile
[08:04] <RemyHome> but it hasn't added it to the $PATH
[08:04] <RemyHome> will it require a restart ?
[08:04] <vitriol> source /etc/profile
[08:04] <IceDC571> well everyone here is like breezy is so stable.. no problems at all, i wonder if they upgraded from hoary
[08:04] <vitriol> ?
[08:04] <setite> seriously... there is no reason to use the next version unless you want the pain
[08:05] <thoreauputic> RemyHome: try source /etc/profile && echo $PATH
[08:05] <vitriol> IceDC571: dunno
[08:05] <setite> its hard enough to use the official release... the "stable" versions
[08:05] <Flonne> Breezy is broken. Really.
[08:05] <setite> why doesnt chm2web work with firefox
[08:05] <TheGnome> you guys are gonna be mad at me
[08:05] <IceDC571> well the only reason im using breezy is because i want to compile a lot of bleeding edge apps that require a lot of software breezy has
[08:05] <thoreauputic> RemyHome: log out, log in and see if it appears
[08:05] <Flonne> (At least on amd64)
[08:05] <RemyHome> weeeee
[08:05] <IceDC571> that was neat
[08:05] <RemyHome> got split :P
[08:05] <setite> yay server split!!!!
[08:06] <IceDC571> thats the first split i've seen in #ubuntu
[08:06] <Tom-W> thanks for the sudo tip it worked!!!!!!
[08:06] <vitriol> IceDC571: i just want my hardware to work....
[08:06] <vitriol> ;)
[08:06] <Madpilot> that's the second split from zelany in the last few hours...
[08:06] <vitriol> Tom-W: if you don't like sudo you can always do sudo su
[08:06] <Madpilot> *zelazny
[08:06] <vitriol> then passwd
[08:06] <vitriol> sometimes it's good to be root
[08:07] <setite> IceDC571: first ive seen in LONGF time
[08:07] <vitriol> </2 cents>
[08:07] <Madpilot> Tom-W: see here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[08:07] <setite> that means we're getting popular!!!! yaya
[08:07] <IceDC571> actually yeah, that is the first split i've seen in a long time
[08:07] <RemyHome> question: what is sudo ?
[08:07] <Toba> argh
[08:07] <TheGnome> can someone give me a copy of there sudoers file
[08:08] <vitriol> sudo: nothing appropriate.
[08:08] <vitriol> bah
[08:08] <kvidell> %admin ALL = ALL (ALL)
[08:08] <kvidell> I think that's the only line in mine
[08:08] <Madpilot> sudo = "superuser do" - thanks to google...
[08:08] <kvidell> I'm not able to get on my ubuntu box
[08:09] <vitriol> RemyHome: well sudo lets regular users have root privileges temporarily to execute only specific commands
[08:09] <RemyHome> k
[08:09] <TheGnome> i got it
[08:09] <TheGnome> thanks
[08:10] <TheGnome> nice
[08:10] <tristanmike> can anyone help me with a theme issue?
[08:10] <azriel0184> does anyone know if ubuntu can read UFD partitions?
[08:10] <vitriol> UFD?
[08:10] <azriel0184> *UFS
[08:10] <vitriol> you mean...o
[08:10] <vitriol> oh
[08:10] <vitriol> well
[08:10] <vitriol> i can tell you that the l inux kernel has read support for UFS
[08:10] <bob2> sure it can
[08:11] <bob2> writing to them is not safe, afaik
[08:11] <vitriol> yeah
[08:11] <bob2> and reading is a tad broken for some variants
[08:11] <vitriol> thats correct
[08:11] <setite> how do i check my cpu speed to confirm whether it is scaling up when im in AC mode and down in batter
[08:11] <RemyHome> thoreauputic
[08:11] <bob2> e.g. OS X UFS seemed kinda messed up in the past
[08:11] <RemyHome> didn't add it :(
[08:11] <vitriol> setite: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[08:11] <bob2> setite: but default it doesn't do that
[08:11] <thoreauputic> RemyHome: I just tried it here - it adds it
[08:11] <IceDC571> vitriol, well.. are you upgrading to breezy soon?
[08:11] <david> :-(
[08:11] <bob2> setite: gnome has a nice little cpufrequency monitor, tho
[08:11] <azriel0184> ok, time to pull out my usb drive and make a backup before switching then...
[08:11] <david> where did you add it ?
[08:11] <vitriol> IceDC571: yes...right now
[08:11] <thoreauputic> RemyHome: but why?
[08:12] <david> I added it to the etc/profile
[08:12] <IceDC571> vitriol, let me know how it works out
[08:12] <vitriol> setite: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep Mhz
[08:12] <vitriol> IceDC571: last time i tried this it broke either python or perl
[08:12] <Prowl3r> Hey everyone
[08:12] <vitriol> IceDC571: and consequently broke apt
[08:12] <vitriol> couldn't use apt
[08:12] <RemyUbunutu> thoreauputic, I added it to etc/profile
[08:12] <thoreauputic> RemyHome: you edited the right line, I hope? Not the first one
[08:12] <RemyUbunutu> Yeah, the second one
[08:13] <RemyUbunutu> not the one where ID == 0
[08:13] <n1xt3r> vitriol: useless use of cat - try grep -i mhz /proc/cpuinfo
[08:13] <thoreauputic> RemyHome: why are you doing this, if I may ask?
[08:13] <RemyUbunutu> cause I've manually installed JDK (JAva Development Kit)
[08:13] <vitriol> n1xt3r: yeah...you got me :)
[08:13] <RemyUbunutu> and now I want to add the directory to the path so I don't have to type the full path
[08:13] <RemyUbunutu> for compiling / running
[08:14] <IceDC571> bob2, do you happen to know how to kill a virtual console?
[08:14] <setite> ok its not going up
[08:14] <bob2> IceDC571: why would you want to do that?
[08:14] <setite> the cpu speed
[08:14] <RemyUbunutu> thoreauputic, this is the same as RemyHome :)
[08:14] <vitriol> setite: what proc you have?
[08:14] <bob2> setite: o na default install, it will be unaffected b ythe power status
[08:14] <RemyUbunutu> just running on the actual machine with ubuntu on it...
[08:14] <setite> amd 64 3000+ true mobile
[08:15] <setite> oh.. bob2 do i need to enable acpi
[08:15] <IceDC571> well for some reason whenever i restart my computer it goes straight into virtual console #2 and it runs apt-get which hangs on virtual console #1
[08:15] <vitriol> setite: there is no powe rmanagement support for amd64 yet
[08:15] <vitriol> sorry :(
[08:15] <bob2> setite: no
[08:15] <setite> vitriol: are you serious
[08:15] <thoreauputic> RemyUbunutu: well, I know in the past I've added it to /etc/bash.bashrc with success - I think you could try just pasting the line in there and test again
[08:15] <setite> thats crap
[08:15] <bob2> setite: it will rise and fall depending on how much cpu your programs require
[08:15] <vitriol> setite: actually
[08:15] <vitriol> setite: i'm wrong
[08:15] <bob2> vitriol: er, are yo usure about that?
[08:15] <vitriol> setite: there is no cpu frequency scaling for amd64 procs yet....i think
[08:15] <bob2> setite: if you want it to depend on the power status, install cpufreqd
[08:15] <setite> ok so when im gaming it will go up?
[08:16] <vitriol> setite: but then again, i'm not *sure*
[08:16] <HrdwrBoB> vitriol: er,, yes there i
[08:16] <HrdwrBoB> s
[08:16] <bob2> setite: if your computer supports it, yes
[08:16] <bob2> setite: why don't you just try it already?
[08:16] <vitriol> HrdwrBoB: is it just the turions?
[08:16] <setite> try what
[08:16] <HrdwrBoB> I have it working on my 3200+ desktop
[08:16] <HrdwrBoB> and several dual opterons
[08:16] <oceandead> i cant run the foomatic gui to start configuring so i can print over lan
[08:16] <vitriol> HrdwrBoB: can you use powernowd?
[08:16] <HrdwrBoB> vitriol: yes
[08:16] <vitriol> HrdwrBoB: it doesn't work on my turion
[08:16] <oceandead> it keeps telling me wrong password
[08:17] <HrdwrBoB> vitriol: if it says it won't start due to something blah lbah
[08:17] <Carpe_Libertatem> You can install TTF fonts in Linux?
[08:17] <vitriol> HrdwrBoB: when i unplug my power the cpu doesn't scale down to 800mhz like it should
[08:17] <HrdwrBoB> it's wrong, it's a cobbled together shell script
[08:17] <setite> bob2: try what
[08:17] <HrdwrBoB> install powernow-k8
[08:17] <HrdwrBoB> (module)
[08:17] <HrdwrBoB> iirc
[08:17] <vitriol> o_0
[08:17] <vitriol> HrdwrBoB: is that an amd64 only module?
[08:18] <vitriol> HrdwrBoB: i'm running 32 bit
[08:18] <oceandead> but its the correct pw im positive...maybe the pw is too long for foomatic?
[08:18] <Madpilot> Carpe_Libertatem: of course. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FontInstallHowto
[08:18] <setite> so cpufreqd or powernow
[08:18] <setite> or both
[08:19] <vitriol> wow i hope i'm completely wrong about this....that'll be great news!
[08:19] <vitriol> now if they just made a 64 bit driver for my bcm4318 :(
[08:20] <setite> vitriol: if your not wrong i may have to start looking for a new distro
[08:20] <vitriol> setite: if it doesn't work it's not ubuntu's fault
[08:20] <vitriol> it's the linux kernel.....
[08:20] <vitriol> unless another distro is using a newer kernel that has better support
[08:21] <Tom_W> its Ubuntu's falt that root is toatle screwd up !!!!!!
[08:21] <sss_lr> Carpe_Libertatem: run command fonts:/// and copy your fonts
[08:22] <Carpe_Libertatem> ok, thanks
[08:22] <bronco> how do I update the kernel headers?
[08:22] <oceandead> how is it screwed up
[08:23] <vitriol> apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r`
[08:23] <vitriol> i think
[08:23] <vitriol> or something close to that
[08:23] <Tom_W> it should let you choose a root password
[08:23] <oceandead> it does
[08:23] <Tom_W> where?
[08:23] <vitriol> oops
[08:23] <setite> ok so cpufreqd removes powernow
[08:23] <vitriol> thats linux-headers
[08:23] <bob2> bronco: update?
[08:23] <iiiears> Wow Microsoft Genuine Advantage is going to check for virutal machines and fail to patch/upgrade when found.
[08:23] <thoreauputic> bronco: or sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) (same thing really)
[08:23] <oceandead> not recommended to have separate root login
[08:23] <setite> and i dont see powernow-k8
[08:23] <bob2> do not screw with the linux-kernel-headers package
[08:24] <bob2> or you will break your system terribly
[08:24] <IceDC571> vitriol, omg.. i got the post-install script to work again
[08:24] <vitriol> IceDC571: breezy just worked for me :D
[08:24] <vitriol> i'm running breezy now!
[08:24] <IceDC571> vitriol, did you just upgrade it from hoary?
[08:24] <RemyHome> thoreauputic we have a winner!
[08:24] <vitriol> IceDC571: yes
[08:24] <oceandead> is there a new wlan applet in breezy?
[08:24] <Madpilot> Tom_W: Ubuntu uses sudo rather than root, by default...
[08:24] <thoreauputic> RemyHome: aha
[08:24] <vitriol> Tom_W: sudo su
[08:24] <vitriol> Tom_W: then passwd
[08:25] <vitriol> you can set a root password
[08:25] <RemyHome> just restarting to make sure it works :D
[08:25] <RemyHome> thanks for your help mate
[08:25] <vitriol> then log in as root or su - as you are used to
[08:25] <thoreauputic> RemyHome: only thing I thought of is whether that changes the root path as well
[08:25] <kameron> i just did a fresh install on my primary slave drive, windows is on primary master.. i installed the 5.04 AMD64 version.. and after installation, grub left me at a prompt, instead of a regular grub menu.. i installed the bootloader at the MBR. why is this happening, is there a fix? should i try the x86 version?
[08:25] <RemyHome> probably :P
[08:25] <bob2> oceandead: doesn't look like network manager will be useful byu then
[08:25] <IceDC571> vitriol, well.. i think i might of found a workaround for fixing the post-install script so lets see if breezy will work after this
[08:25] <IceDC571> i'll brb
[08:26] <oceandead> doh! v
[08:26] <enya> hi i cannot create user accounts on ubuntu. i'm new to all this. can anyone help pls?
[08:27] <oceandead> hey i appreciate the effort anyway there are gap fillers in the meantime
[08:27] <setite> ok whats the final word on what i need to get the best scaling on my laptop
[08:27] <setite> i just want to ensure that when im gaming.... it scales to full speed
[08:27] <oceandead> though they dont seem to work too well on my particular system...i can deal for now
[08:28] <Carpe_Libertatem> What
[08:28] <Carpe_Libertatem> er
[08:28] <Carpe_Libertatem> What's the best way to upgrade Firefox in Ubuntu?
[08:28] <RemyHome> hm, dunno if i've broken other stuff though :P
[08:28] <RemyHome> me has a play...
[08:28] <wickedpuppy> anyone got experience with using skype in ubuntu ?? i can't record my voice
[08:28] <thoreauputic> sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[08:28] <oceandead> i think theres a bug in foomatic-gui ...when i try to start it it says that password is wrong, but im putting in the correct password, i think it just may be too long for foomatic-gui
[08:28] <bob2> Carpe_Libertatem: 1.0.6 is in hoary...
[08:28] <wickedpuppy> !soundinput
[08:28] <ubotu> wickedpuppy: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[08:29] <setite> is mozilla-firefox different than firefox
[08:29] <setite> the packages
[08:29] <oceandead> when i try to start it from terminal i get a separate error
[08:29] <bob2> setite: it's called firefox in breezy, mozilla-firefox in hoary
[08:29] <Carpe_Libertatem> I have Ubuntu 5.04, but Firefox is version 1.02
[08:29] <oceandead> i will paste the error in flood if someone would please take a look it would be much appreciated
[08:30] <bob2> Carpe_Libertatem: then update
[08:30] <Carpe_Libertatem> How? =P
[08:30] <bob2> eh?
[08:30] <bob2> the installer asked you if you wanted to let apt download updates
[08:30] <RemyHome> thoreauputic, winner indeed :) nothing broken !!!! w00t
[08:30] <RemyHome> :D
[08:30] <thoreauputic> RemyHome: cool :)
[08:30] <Carpe_Libertatem> How do I download updates now?
[08:31] <oceandead> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[08:31] <bob2> or use synaptic
[08:31] <bob2> or aptitude
[08:31] <oceandead> and then theres the gui package update manager
[08:31] <wickedpuppy> !audiodoesn't dist-upgrade upgrade the whole distro to next version ?
[08:31] <ubotu> wickedpuppy: I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about
[08:32] <oceandead> system>administration>ubuntu update manager
[08:32] <wickedpuppy> doesn't dist-upgrade upgrade the whole distro to next version ?
[08:32] <thoreauputic> wickedpuppy: not unless you change hoary to breezy in /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:33] <volvoguy> i'm having some luck with colony 3 on this Toshiba laptop, but i've run into a screen i've never seen before.
[08:33] <thoreauputic> wickedpuppy: or warty to hoary etc
[08:33] <wickedpuppy> i ask cause Carpe_Libertatem just want to update his firefox ..
[08:33] <Stutter> i have a question. Is breezy out already? I just got the CDs I ordered but they were Hoary...
[08:33] <wickedpuppy> anyway i got problem with my audio input ... any suggestion ??
[08:34] <HrdwrBoB> Stutter: not yet
[08:34] <thoreauputic> wickedpuppy: yes, but dst-upgrade will just update his hoary install
[08:34] <thoreauputic> *dist
[08:34] <HrdwrBoB> Stutter: two months
[08:34] <wickedpuppy> Stutter, try /topic
[08:34] <wickedpuppy> ah nvm
[08:34] <wickedpuppy> i think we are not thinking the same thing thoreauputic
[08:34] <IceDC571> vitriol, so did you just change your sources to display breezy instead of hoary?
[08:34] <wickedpuppy> anyway any idea about audio input ?
[08:35] <HrdwrBoB> volvoguy: ?
[08:35] <volvoguy> it actually recognized my wireless hardware and network (i was quite surprised) but the partitioner only offers me two options - "configure software raid" and "configure the logical volume manager".
[08:35] <thoreauputic> wickedpuppy: if he does a dist-upgrade it will upgrade everything including mozilla-firefox
[08:35] <HrdwrBoB> volvoguy: oops :)
[08:35] <HrdwrBoB> sounds broken
[08:35] <HrdwrBoB> back out to the main menu
[08:35] <thoreauputic> wickedpuppy: just upgrade would suffice though
[08:35] <wickedpuppy> i know but i am not sure he wants to upgrade everything you see
[08:36] <volvoguy> both options warn that changes to the physical disk won't be possible if i continue (and i need to resize the existing NTFS partition).
[08:36] <Stutter> oki, thanks
[08:36] <Stutter> is Breezy stable though?
[08:36] <thoreauputic> wickedpuppy: in that case he could just do apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[08:36] <setite> HrdwrBoB: can i pm you
[08:36] <Stutter> what version of gnome does breezy have?
[08:36] <HrdwrBoB> setite: just ask here
[08:36] <HrdwrBoB> setite: that wasy other people can learn and other people can help too
[08:36] <volvoguy> Stutter, i wouldn't use it on a primary machine yet.
[08:36] <setite> well what is the best app for my laptop
[08:37] <setite> i keep asking but i keep getting sidetracked
[08:37] <volvoguy> what kind of app are you looking for setite?
[08:37] <kameron> what the gay, grub is gay, i want lilo.
[08:37] <setite> so i dont see if its getting answered
[08:37] <HrdwrBoB> I'm not entirely sure
[08:37] <setite> well i dont like that my cpu doesnt scale when plugged in
[08:38] <vitriol> anybody know what the deal is with breezy? hda1 not found when booting up
[08:38] <oceandead> so install lilo
[08:38] <setite> but since im in a car right now... its a blessing... allows my battery to charge fast
[08:38] <vitriol> is there a quick fix for this?
[08:38] <oceandead> its on the cd ...
[08:38] <HrdwrBoB> kameron: whinging nitching and moaning pointlessly is for #elsewhere
[08:38] <HrdwrBoB> *bitching
[08:38] <oceandead> afaik, anyway
[08:38] <setite> but i want to make sure that i can switch it on or off if i have to
[08:38] <thoreauputic> kameron: so install lilo - have fun
[08:38] <kameron> well, i did ask a question earliar, but nobody answered.
[08:38] <HrdwrBoB> setite: loading the module powernow-k8
[08:38] <setite> like in windows int eh power manager i can set it to laptop mode or ac mode
[08:38] <Carpe_Libertatem> I am trying to run a configure file for a MUD and I get an error "configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executabes."
[08:38] <HrdwrBoB> setite: will scale the CPU based purely on what you're doing
[08:38] <setite> ok.... where is that.... because i dont see it on the repo
[08:38] <wickedpuppy> vitriol, pls read the topic
[08:38] <HrdwrBoB> setite: it's a module
[08:38] <setite> oh
[08:39] <HrdwrBoB> sudo modprobe powernow-k8
[08:39] <setite> well as long as its not buggy... because City Of Heroes needs like 80% of the cpu
[08:39] <vitriol> wickedpuppy: if somebody asks me 'not to use breezy' again i'm going to kill an innocent kitten
[08:39] <volvoguy> vitriol, amen!
[08:39] <setite> and it runs a little badly on linux.;... and im not sure if im not getting proper scaling or if its just b ad
[08:39] <HrdwrBoB> setite: it works perfectly all the times I've used it
[08:39] <oceandead> i have a feeling this printer thing isnt going to happen...bbiab
[08:40] <HrdwrBoB> setite: the detault CPU speed is full speed
[08:40] <volvoguy> vitriol, colony 3 i assume?
[08:41] <vitriol> volvoguy: i just changed my sources.list from hoary to breezy
[08:41] <vitriol> volvoguy: and then apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:41] <vitriol> volvoguy: it worked fine till i rebooted with the new 2.6.12 kernel :)
[08:41] <volvoguy> vitriol, with colony 2 i was having that issue with intel's software raid stuff.
[08:41] <kvidell> hm
[08:42] <vitriol> volvoguy: i'm using a turion + ati chopset
[08:42] <kvidell> Anyone in here good with circuitry and stuff? (EE majors?)
[08:42] <vitriol> dunno if it's a hardware problem
[08:42] <vitriol> or a bug
[08:42] <volvoguy> vitriol, hmm.. that's weird. sata hard drive?
[08:42] <vitriol> volvoguy: nope just ide
[08:42] <Prowl3r> vitriol last night I tried 2.6.11 didn't go too well :(
[08:42] <vitriol> Prowl3r: yeah i've heard alot of people say they've had problems with 2.6.11
[08:43] <vitriol> Prowl3r: so far 2.6.11 has been the only one of the kernels that's worked well for me
[08:43] <volvoguy> vitriol, really weird. i did a hoary to breezy upgrade on an old box i use for testing and haven't run into that issue. maybe i should try rebooting it. :-|
[08:43] <vitriol> eek
[08:43] <Prowl3r> wow you're lucky
[08:43] <vitriol> or whatever it's called
[08:44] <volvoguy> vitriol, you're at a command prompt and hda1 isn't found?
[08:45] <tristanmike> can someone please help me
[08:45] <bob2> so
[08:46] <bob2> you haven't asked your question
[08:46] <tristanmike> they are in my usr/share/themes directory, but not listed in my System-Preferences-Themes
[08:46] <bob2> so if someone wants to try to help, they have to scroll back and find out where you actually asked it
[08:46] <ubuntu122> im new to ubuntu...i just installed it now...what is the root password....the installer didnt ask me ??
[08:46] <bob2> don't put them there
[08:46] <bob2> ubuntu122: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[08:46] <bob2> ubuntu122: the installer explained it all to you
[08:46] <ubuntu122> ok thnx
[08:46] <tristanmike> bob2: I installed metacity-themes pack via synaptic, but can't use any of the themes
[08:47] <bob2> "package"
[08:47] <tristanmike> yes
[08:47] <bob2> do you know where they would be listed?
[08:47] <bob2> it's not in the themes dialog
[08:47] <tristanmike> they are in my usr/share/themes directory, but not listed in my System-Preferences-Themes
[08:47] <bob2> correct
[08:47] <tristanmike> so how do I use them?
[08:48] <tristanmike> I tried to copy/paste the original folders into my ./Themes directory to no avail
[08:48] <volvoguy> next question. since i'm in uncharted territory with colony 3 and i have a canonical laptop, should i go to the dev channel or just add this to my bug (as i don't know how to proceed)?
[08:48] <Stutter> how do i install firefox themes I downloaded(.jar files)?
[08:48] <bob2> themes->themes details->window border->select
[08:48] <bob2> volvoguy: bug
[08:48] <Dreamer3> any xfce users here?
[08:48] <volvoguy> bob2, okey dokey. bug it is. :)
[08:49] <Dreamer3> how can i get my gnome terminal back to "normal" font sizes when running under xfce?
[08:49] <tristanmike> bob2: I can't thank you enough, it is very late here and I've been trying to figure this one out, damn I'm stupid, I'm sorry
[08:50] <bob2> not stupid
[08:50] <ubuntu122> is ubuntu is suitable for production server?
[08:50] <fabbione> ubuntu122: generally yes..
[08:51] <tristanmike> bob2: I ALWAYS seem to overlook the obvious, but thanks again for taking the time to point me in the right direction, I'm gonna have to update a thread and help another guy out who is having the same problem
[08:51] <ubuntu122> fabbione: what do u mean generally?
[08:51] <setite> fabbione!!!!!
[08:52] <jsgotangco> ubuntu122, it works as a server
[08:52] <fabbione> ubuntu122: that we support only a set of servers.. apache2 postfix.. the ones in main. If you need software that it is in universe, it might not be as good as the one in main. Less quality check basically
[08:52] <fabbione> setite...
[08:53] <fabbione> ubuntu122: but clearly it is suitable for servers.. otherwise it would be stupid from us to provide a server install target :-)
[08:53] <Dreamer3> anyone?
[08:54] <srijith_away> ubuntu122, in short if you need apps that use packages like php4-mysql you might be on your own
[08:54] <setite> fabbione: i just remember you from warty.. you had a little webpage that helped me do something... i forgot what
[08:55] <fabbione> setite: meh.. that was a long time ago...
[08:55] <fabbione> setite: probably ipv6?
[08:55] <Myrtti> in a galaxy far far away
[08:55] <setite> maybe...
[08:55] <setite> dont recall...
[08:55] <setite> i didnt stick with linux back then... it was too frustrating
[08:56] <fabbione> setite: glad to see you back
[08:56] <setite> :)
[08:56] <setite> i think i hear gunshots
[08:56] <setite> that was odd
[08:59] <volvoguy> hey fabbione, are you familiar enough with the colony 3 installer to give me a hand with my canonical laptop? (either here or over in the laptop channel)
[09:00] <t4k3r0n> Alguien habla espaol? .... somebody talk spanish?
[09:01] <Madpilot> !es
[09:01] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[09:02] <Madpilot> setite: you a cop?
[09:02] <t4k3r0n> thanks :D
[09:03] <ookla> crimsun, you here?
[09:04] <crimsun> ookla: pong
[09:04] <fabbione> volvoguy: no sorry.. i had/have some bw issues and i didn't even get to rsync colony 3
[09:04] <ookla> crimsun, :)
[09:04] <setite> Madpilot: no... security guard
[09:04] <fabbione> volvoguy: better you ask directly to -laptop
[09:04] <setite> Madpilot: i would never be a cop
[09:04] <ookla> crimsun, heard you were the sound guru here?
[09:04] <oceandead> doh no luck still same error
[09:05] <setite> Madpilot: if i were a cop i would be required by law, while on duty, to go check it out... poor cops
[09:05] <Madpilot> setite: forgot you mentioned security work earlier
[09:05] <KiD_iCARCUS> question, what program would you guys recommend ripping my audio cds for backing purposes and able to encode them using lame?
[09:05] <crimsun> ookla: not a guru, but what's up?
[09:05] <oceandead> who wants to help me print to a shared printer over lan
[09:05] <setite> no problem
[09:05] <setite> whats a canonical laptop
[09:05] <bob2> KiD_iCARCUS: I wouldn't recommend encoding them with lame if it's for backup purposes
[09:05] <setite> does canonical have hardware?
[09:06] <Madpilot> Canonical gave out a bunch of laptops just recently
[09:06] <bob2> setite: Canonical the company gave out some laptops for people to test
[09:06] <oceandead> does my ubuntu laptop count as a canonical laptop?
[09:06] <oceandead> darn guess not
[09:06] <volvoguy> ok. thanks fabbione.
[09:06] <oceandead> ;)
[09:06] <ookla> crimsun, cannot get sound working on this comp, with ubuntu BUT knoppix finds it fine?
[09:06] <crimsun> ookla: cat /proc/asound/cards -> #flood
[09:06] <Madpilot> oceandead: you can still help with laptop testing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTesting
[09:06] <volvoguy> oceandead, yours is "powered by canonical". :)
[09:06] <oceandead> hehehe true
[09:07] <oceandead> ill check that out now madpilot
[09:07] <bob2> "Powered by the blood of Canonical employees."
[09:07] <oceandead> hahaha
[09:07] <volvoguy> hehe
[09:07] <Madpilot> cool ;)
[09:07] <volvoguy> that's not literal is it? should i be wearing latex gloves?
[09:08] <oceandead> darn, gotta get mozilla-psm first ...
[09:10] <oceandead> thoreauputic, that was pretty darn funny
[09:10] <thoreauputic> :D
[09:10] <oceandead> hehehe
[09:12] <cafuego> the problem with canonical employees...
[09:12] <cafuego> .. is that they're FAR too stringy
[09:12] <bjv> is there a way to make a bootdisk with the ubuntu live cd?
[09:13] <bjv> id need a disk image with support for old cdroms, but i dont see any on it.
[09:13] <cafuego> bjv: is debootstrap installed on the livecd?
[09:13] <bjv> i dont know, it's a 5.04 ubuntu disk,
[09:14] <srijith> thoreauputic: quick fluxbox question.. how did you make the menu item for reboot and shutdown? Using su-to-root? or xterm -e 'sudo...'?
[09:15] <thoreauputic> srijith: I didn't - I just logout - or have I misunderstood your question?
[09:15] <Carpe_Libertatem> How can I get a compiler installed in Ubuntu capable of creating executables?
[09:16] <bjv> it is something like 'apt-get install build-essential'
[09:16] <srijith> thoreauputic: shutdown and reboot? logout is just fine.
[09:16] <crimsun> ookla: please paste the output from amixer onto paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[09:16] <cafuego> Carpe_Libertatem: 'build-essential'
[09:16] <setite> who thinks linux is a true substitute for windows'
[09:16] <Carpe_Libertatem> k
[09:16] <thoreauputic> Carpe_Libertatem: install the build-essential package
[09:16] <cafuego> Carpe_Libertatem: ask ubotu about 'compiling'
[09:17] <ookla> crimsun, amixer (what command)?
[09:17] <thoreauputic> srijith: if I want to shutdown or reboot I either type the command or log out and do it from gdm
[09:17] <ompaul> whats the report on colony3 good bad or other?
[09:17] <crimsun> ookla: just ,,amixer''
[09:17] <srijith> haa ok..
[09:17] <ookla> crimsun, ok
[09:18] <thoreauputic> ookla: I haven't rebooted for 56 days anyway ;)
[09:18] <cafuego> setite: it's not. It lacks the integrated support for crashes, worms, viruses and easy trashing of critical system files.
[09:18] <thoreauputic> bah sorry ookla
[09:18] <setite> interesting... never had those problems
[09:18] <thoreauputic> srijith: my comment to ookla was for you
[09:18] <ookla> thoreauputic, woot :)
[09:18] <setite> i miss the it just works feel
[09:18] <setite> i want wmp9 to work
[09:19] <setite> im dying to get it to work
[09:19] <srijith> thoreauputic: that helps I guess :)
[09:19] <cafuego> setite: Email microsoft and get them to free the codec specs.
[09:19] <setite> haha right... thats gonna happen
[09:19] <Madpilot> cafuego: "integrated support" indeed!
[09:19] <ompaul> well heres one for ya - 3 minutes after starting a torrent to get the livecd version nothing - zippo not a bit or a byte ...
[09:19] <setite> but i really dont get it... if they allow mac users to use it... why not do it for linux
[09:19] <davro> i do not miss the, it just work but also lets the whole world know its working feel.
[09:20] <setite> ompaul: yea im not liking torrents on linux so far
[09:20] <ompaul> setite, because they want Linux users to use Microsoft
[09:20] <Madpilot> setite: $$$$ - Apple pays, I bet
[09:20] <cafuego> setite: They'd admit Linux was a real, useful OS for end users. They can't do that.
[09:20] <setite> Madpilot: yea that might be it
[09:20] <ompaul> setite, I do and have done for some time now I will http/ftp grab it and offer it out
[09:20] <setite> cafuego: maybe in their minds that would be what they were doing
[09:21] <setite> ompaul: what?
[09:21] <cafuego> setite: Are you implying they have those? ;-)
[09:21] <ookla> crimsun, you see the paste?
[09:21] <setite> cafuego: not logical ones... but money hungry ones
[09:21] <ompaul> setite, I do and have done ubuntu / kanotix torrents this is the first failure
[09:22] <setite> cafuego: from a businessman's perspective you must admire what they did
[09:22] <setite> have you seen the lawsuit amd has filed
[09:22] <arphetic> Hello
[09:23] <setite> read up on the lawsuit
[09:23] <ompaul> setite, what admire a company for abusing its monopoly (or significant player) status in the market place to close off competition - no I despise that kind of behaviour
[09:23] <Madpilot> setite: the one against Intel?
[09:23] <HrdwrBoB> linux is not a substitute for winwows
[09:23] <arphetic> Im wondering why i cant install XMMS <_> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1354
[09:23] <setite> Madpilot: yes...
[09:23] <HrdwrBoB> substitute implies you would prefer the other
[09:23] <HrdwrBoB> and default to the other
[09:23] <ompaul> HrdwrBoB, it is a suitable replacement :)
[09:23] <setite> ompaul: all that in plain sight
[09:24] <HrdwrBoB> ompaul: for my purposes it is an inherently superior replacement
[09:24] <crimsun> ookla: sec
[09:24] <HrdwrBoB> arphetic: why are you compiling xmms
[09:24] <Carpe_Libertatem> How do I see my local IP addy in Ubuntu?
[09:24] <srijith> can anyone suggest a no nonsense MP3+/ogg player for Linux, along the likes of Foobar2000 for windows?
[09:24] <ompaul> HrdwrBoB, hey now, come on, thats a given
[09:24] <HrdwrBoB> sudo apt-get install xmms
[09:24] <HrdwrBoB> in any case I have to go
[09:24] <thoreauputic> Carpe_Libertatem: ifconfig
[09:24] <srijith> not xmms please :)
[09:24] <setite> the only thing they did that i despise is how they illegally used AMD to further themselves and subsequentially almost destroyed amd... while not following the rule to have amd be the secondary creator of the processor
[09:24] <ookla> Carpe_Libertatem, ifconfig in a console
[09:24] <cafuego> setite: I have no time for lawsuits (or alwyers)
[09:25] <setite> a trick that backfired and forced amd to creat their own superior platform
[09:25] <setite> whoops
[09:25] <setite> i mean intel vs amd.. not microsoft
[09:25] <arphetic> HrdwrBoB, im trying to install it ;)
[09:25] <setite> haha i keep getting it in my head that they are the same company
[09:25] <kvidell> setite: me too
[09:25] <cafuego> setite: Linux already IS a superior platform. YOU are the one insisting on using inferior technology on it (wm9)
[09:25] <kvidell> Microsoft -> Intel. nVidia -> AMD is usually what I do
[09:25] <thoreauputic> srijith: no-nonsense mp3 player ---> mpg321 /path/to/file.mp3 ;-)
[09:26] <setite> cafuego: i am merely insisting that i need to be able to do everything on it... like listen to xm radio online
[09:26] <setite> which i cant because their is no support on linux FF for it
[09:26] <srijith> thoreauputic: I do need to add 20~30 odd songs into the player at one go and not pass them one by one
[09:26] <cafuego> setite: Why would a superior OS need to include inferior technolgies?
[09:26] <Madpilot> srijith: not familiar with Foobar for Win, but try Muine for music
[09:26] <crimsun> ookla: oh, there's a simple workaround for your issue in Hoary.
[09:26] <cafuego> setite: Tell xm radio to update!
[09:26] <setite> kvidell: thats a little screwy.. nvidia? your getting confused
[09:27] <crimsun> ookla: amixer sset 'IEC958 Capture Monitor' off
[09:27] <setite> cafuego: you must know how hard it would be...
[09:27] <srijith> Madpilot: thanks, will take a look
[09:27] <thoreauputic> srijith: do you want it to be pretty?
[09:27] <setite> to tell them to spend however much money their web devs will charge them...
[09:27] <arphetic> paulproteus, Its working now btw :}
[09:27] <kvidell> setite: Yea... I associate nVidia with AMD a lot
[09:27] <davro> davro slaps microsoft, amd, apple, with a pocket full of bothereds
[09:27] <kvidell> I think It's just because I like the
[09:27] <setite> kvidell: well i do sometimes...
[09:27] <srijith> thoreauputic: nope.. the absolute least of my concern!
[09:27] <kvidell> them*
[09:27] <arphetic> Anyone tell me, how do I install XMMS on Ubuntu>
[09:27] <Madpilot> srijith: Muine loads by albums, too
[09:27] <bob2> arphetic: sudo aptitude install xmms
[09:27] <setite> kvidell: nvidia makes great video cards and really good motherboard modules...
[09:27] <srijith> thoreauputic: small footprint in terms of memory, cpu etc.
[09:27] <bob2> arphetic: as someone already told you
[09:28] <setite> i cant remember what they call that shit
[09:28] <thoreauputic> srijith: well, there are several console apps
[09:28] <setite> the motherboard thing that nvidia makes
[09:28] <kvidell> setite: chipsets
[09:28] <arphetic> bob2, where did someone tell me?
[09:28] <PurpleMotion> ati makes FAR superior video cards
[09:28] <setite> theres nvidia... sis... via
[09:28] <setite> yea chipset
[09:28] <thoreauputic> srijith: cplay or mp3blaster for instance
[09:28] <arphetic> ah
[09:28] <arphetic> nvrmind
[09:28] <kvidell> PurpleMotion: If you like noise and interferance, sure. :-P
[09:28] <ookla> crimsun, hmm now systemsounds woot BUT totem can't start :(
[09:28] <setite> PurpleMotion: i think you are on crack sir... but i will not argue because it is futile
[09:28] <bob2> HrdwrBoB did
[09:28] <arphetic> i useally only watch for highlights here sorry
[09:28] <arphetic> ;)
[09:28] <srijith> thoreauputic: thanks.... will have a look at them.. damn how I wish someone ported foorbar to linux
[09:28] <crimsun> ookla: totem-gstreamer or totem-xine?
[09:28] <oceandead> hey madpilot, does it matter if my laptop is really old
[09:29] <PurpleMotion> my radeon 9700 pro 256 decimated every vnidia card i have ever seen
[09:29] <oceandead> hehe
[09:29] <PurpleMotion> nvidia
[09:29] <thoreauputic> srijith: also alsaplayer works well - it has a gui and is quite light on resources
[09:29] <Madpilot> oceandead: probably not, there's some 4-5 yr old machines already signed up, I think
[09:29] <ookla> crimsun, how can I tell?
[09:29] <srijith> muine, cplaym mp3blaster, alsaplayer.. nice nice thanks guys!
[09:29] <kvidell> PurpleMotion: My GeForce MX4000 was able to play Goom 3 and HL2 at highest settings... My friends 9800pro could not. My card is 64bit, his is.. much more, lol.. 128?
[09:29] <crimsun> ookla: dpkg -l totem\*|grep ^ii
[09:30] <oceandead> ah this ones older... like 98'/99'
[09:30] <kvidell> Doom3 even
[09:30] <PurpleMotion> then he had driver issues
[09:30] <ookla> gstream
[09:30] <PurpleMotion> cause my radeon was the shiznit
[09:30] <kvidell> PurpleMotion: That's my second point. ATI can't write drivers to save their life :)
[09:30] <PurpleMotion> hell, THIS radeon os nice :)
[09:30] <setite> PurpleMotion: all i can say is look at the facts... and i feel that you will come to like nvidia more
[09:30] <PurpleMotion> is
[09:30] <crimsun> ookla: what does the Test in System>Preferences>Multimedia Systems Selector>Default Sink do?
[09:30] <arphetic> sudo apt-get install xmms <- after that just make install?
[09:30] <iiiears> crimsun - you ARE good! - ookla has sound. :)
[09:30] <setite> in reality both are equal
[09:31] <kvidell> Their linux drivers (or lack there of in some cases) have been less than spectacular
[09:31] <setite> but when it comes to having many cards... and having your ati's be faulty... in hardware and in the drivers
[09:31] <Madpilot> arphetic: no, just do the apt-get...
[09:31] <arphetic> and the done?
[09:31] <crimsun> iiiears: pretty common issue for versions of ALSA prior to 1.0.9
[09:31] <PurpleMotion> nah, i'll like ati more regardless because they draw a better picture on my screen.. crisper anti-aliasing, etc.. i dont reallyc are about speed, i dont play games
[09:31] <arphetic> ah i see
[09:31] <arphetic> tyt
[09:31] <ookla> crimsun, esd
[09:31] <setite> and the fact that ATI has a microsoft business model in that their support for linux is severely lacking
[09:31] <ompaul> arphetic, no it is installed a that time
[09:31] <setite> nvidia drivers far surpass ati drivers on linux
[09:31] <iiiears> ookla - log this chat 'n email to yourself you'll have it if you need it again.
[09:31] <setite> due to the fact that nvidia trys harder
[09:31] <crimsun> ookla: do you hear sound when you click Test?
[09:31] <PurpleMotion> for speed maybe
[09:32] <ookla> crimsun, yes
[09:32] <PurpleMotion> but ati cards are a LOT prettier
[09:32] <kvidell> Yea.. I've had crap luck with ATI's for many reasons. They let in a lot of noise that caused my display to look _god awful_, or they just plain didn't work, windows and linux...
[09:32] <kvidell> PurpleMotion:I've not had that experience.
[09:32] <crimsun> ookla: what are you trying to play with Totem?
[09:32] <setite> nope
[09:32] <Madpilot> arphetic: have a look here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[09:32] <ilba7r> what is the command line to switch themes in ubuntu?
[09:32] <setite> ive looked at the screenshots side by side
[09:32] <PurpleMotion> kvidell: sorry to hear it
[09:32] <setite> and their is no difference
[09:32] <ookla> crimsun, mp3
[09:32] <crimsun> ookla: have you installed 'gstreamer0.8-mad'?
[09:32] <PurpleMotion> yeah there is
[09:32] <Madpilot> !mp3
[09:32] <ubotu> well, mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[09:32] <Madpilot> ookla: see ubotu ^^^
[09:32] <setite> ive played games on my nvidia... and on a friedns ati... and their is no difference
[09:33] <PurpleMotion> there sure is to me
[09:33] <ilba7r> !themes
[09:33] <PurpleMotion> a HUGE difference
[09:33] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, themes is at http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/ - http://www.guistyles.com
[09:33] <PurpleMotion> big difference in flow too
[09:33] <ompaul> arphetic, the concept is that in 99.9% of cases the software installs and just works - though I have found this figure to be higher
[09:33] <setite> ive tried doom3.... hl2... cs... cs source... vtmb... coh.. all the same
[09:33] <ookla> crimsun, yes gstreamer0.8-mad is installed
[09:33] <PurpleMotion> ati's seem to render a lot more smoothly for me
[09:33] <setite> also.. ati overcharges...
[09:33] <ookla> crimsun, getting device busy
[09:33] <michele> ati? what's up with ati?
[09:33] <PurpleMotion> i gave up an old ati tv wonder pro card for this 9250
[09:33] <[Triffid] > setite: i think most people's issues with ati cards in linux prevail before they even get to run anything.. once its working you just get random crashes with some setups
[09:34] <setite> and as a linuxant... nvidia has better performance due to the drivers
[09:34] <PurpleMotion> and it's pretty nice
[09:34] <crimsun> ookla: does it play with Rhythmbox (Music Player)?
[09:34] <setite> well if you look at linux benchmarks
[09:34] <ompaul> !tell michele about ati
[09:34] <cafuego> [Triffid] : Not to mention the woeful non-x86 support
[09:34] <Madpilot> PurpleMotion & setite: maybe take the great vid card debate to #ubuntu-offtopic?
[09:35] <setite> in windows... there is room for argument... but on linux.... the drivers are sorely lacking due to the fact that ati doesnt care
[09:35] <PurpleMotion> Madpilot: how about drop it instead
[09:35] <setite> damn you Madpilot i was gonna say that after that last statement
[09:35] <michele> ompaul, I know I know... people were speaking about it I hope for some good news
[09:35] <[Triffid] > cafuego: nvidia gpu/x86-32 here so no worries at all ;)
[09:35] <cafuego> [Triffid] : nvidia on x86_64 is fine too.
[09:35] <michele> ompaul, like the new xorg driver making it for breezy, for example
[09:35] <setite> well i was gonna say that was my final word...
[09:35] <ookla> crimsun, yes rhythembox but bad sound
[09:36] <crimsun> ookla: try installing 'totem-xine' then
[09:36] <HiThere> is there a reason my resolution keeps changing by itself?
[09:36] <highvoltage> how do i disable that screen that asks for root password if i log into single user mode in ubuntu?
[09:36] <ookla> crimsun, ok will do thanx much have to head
[09:36] <setite> !libdvd
[09:36] <ubotu> setite: I give up, what is it?
[09:36] <davro> has anyone managed to get a Wacom ArtPad II working in ubuntu.
[09:36] <setite> ok everyone.l... if you have the marillat libdvdcss2.. remove it
[09:36] <PurpleMotion> does single mode even WORK if you havent enabled root?
[09:37] <setite> i had both and the marillat one sucks
[09:37] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion: yes it does
[09:37] <PurpleMotion> cool
[09:37] <Dreamer3> hmmmmm
[09:37] <setite> it pixellates and has horrible progressive scan and interlacing... it plain barely decrypts.. whereas the one on hoary extras is beautiful
[09:37] <HiThere> is there a reason my resolution keeps changing by itself?
[09:37] <Dreamer3> i set a background by launching nautilus inside of xfce and now i can't get xfce to change the background
[09:37] <PurpleMotion> i need to merge the contents of runlevel 2 into runlevel 5 and make runlevel 2 command line mode
[09:37] <setite> whats single mode
[09:38] <Carpe_Libertatem> How do I go about networking to a windows system using samba?
[09:38] <PurpleMotion> that way i can just init up and down :D
[09:38] <crimsun> Dreamer3: that's because nautilus is actually covering up Xfce's
[09:38] <PurpleMotion> !samba
[09:38] <thoreauputic> !samba
[09:38] <ubotu> methinks samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[09:38] <Madpilot> !samba
[09:38] <Dreamer3> crimsun: but i killed it
[09:38] <setite> samba is god
[09:38] <Madpilot> "someone already said that 0 seconds ago"... oops, sorry ubotu... ;)
[09:38] <setite> i used it with my modded xbox to streme media from my pc to my tv
[09:38] <crimsun> Dreamer3: did you clear ~/.cache too?
[09:38] <setite> stream*
[09:39] <setite> PurpleMotion: have you gone mad?
[09:39] <crimsun> Dreamer3: next time, pass --no-desktop to nautilus
[09:39] <HiThere> is there a reason my resolution keeps changing by itself?
[09:39] <PurpleMotion> setite: stark raving
[09:39] <setite> hey does kopete suck?
[09:39] <PurpleMotion> compard to gaim?
[09:39] <setite> i cant find out hoe to edit my buddylist
[09:39] <Dreamer3> crimsun: yeah :) so i can't get my desktop back now without restarting X?
[09:40] <setite> well kopete seems better than gaim to me... but i hate that i have to log into gaim to do some things..
[09:40] <crimsun> Dreamer3: you did or didn't remove ~/.cache?
[09:40] <thoreauputic> crimsun: shouldn't --no-desktop be the default in an xfce4 menu? I had the same issue and edited the menu..
[09:40] <PurpleMotion> ubotu, start an editor war
[09:40] <ubotu> gedit is better than emacs
[09:40] <Dreamer3> crimsun: interesting, what is .cache?
[09:40] <crimsun> thoreauputic: it's not set that way by default
[09:41] <crimsun> Dreamer3: it's Xfce's cache dir
[09:41] <thoreauputic> crimsun: I know - but I meant it should be :)
[09:41] <crimsun> thoreauputic: for Nautilus or for the file manager?
[09:41] <Dreamer3> crimsun: ok, i removed it
[09:41] <thoreauputic> crimsun: nautilus
[09:41] <crimsun> Dreamer3: restarting Xfce should suffice, then
[09:42] <Dreamer3> crimsun: man
[09:42] <crimsun> thoreauputic: how would we go about patching --no-desktop into it?
[09:42] <Dreamer3> is it in a layer or something?
[09:42] <crimsun> Dreamer3: essentially, yes
[09:42] <thoreauputic> crimsun: ah, I see your point
[09:42] <HiThere> why do I keep losing video feed?
[09:43] <Dreamer3> crimsun: well, there is a way to remove it :)
[09:43] <crimsun> HiThere: sounds like a hardware issue: Have you checked the monitor cable?
[09:43] <thoreauputic> crimsun: in fluxbox the fluxbox_generate-menu script does it - but of course that is outside the app itself so i see what you mean
[09:44] <HiThere> yes
[09:44] <HiThere> its only happens when I open and start transfering with gftp
[09:44] <crimsun> can't say I've heard of that before
[09:45] <setite> you know what i miss abotu windows
[09:45] <crimsun> HiThere: what graphics driver are you using?
[09:45] <ompaul> HiThere, sorry where is this video feed coming from ?
[09:45] <ompaul> setite, I hope it is nothing
[09:45] <setite> the stupidity of its users... i used to have lots of fun with trojan apps like sub7 and the early netbus
[09:46] <ompaul> PurpleMotion, tough love huh?
[09:46] <osfameron> hmmm
[09:46] <setite> never liked backorifice....
[09:46] <osfameron> you don't miss sane power management and sane network control applets?
[09:46] <PurpleMotion> uh huh
[09:46] <setite> osfameron: ??
[09:46] <osfameron> setite: I close lid of laptop, it doesn't sleep
[09:46] <setite> i do miss the easy power management...
[09:46] <setite> mine does
[09:46] <setite> well it doesnt sleep sleep... i think
[09:47] <setite> but the screen turns off
[09:47] <osfameron> mine shuts down the hard disk, but still hammers the battery
[09:47] <setite> in gnome i have to log back into ubuntu
[09:47] <osfameron> also, doesn't sleep when it realizes it's running out of battery
[09:47] <crimsun> you should be able to issue ,,echo -n 3 | sudo tee -a /proc/acpi/sleep''
[09:47] <osfameron> and the network things are annoying
[09:47] <setite> well for that i just hibernate
[09:47] <osfameron> the netwrok monitor is broken
[09:47] <osfameron> gnome net-applet is broken and useless
[09:47] <osfameron> and wifi-radar is nice, but iirc isn't even packaged
[09:48] <osfameron> + you have to explicitly load and manually configure pptpconfig to get VPN working
[09:48] <osfameron> (either that, or grok pppd and pptp manpages, which have very few examples)
[09:48] <HiThere> sorry, I am using a ATI Radeon 9250 card
[09:48] <ompaul> osfameron, ppt is that the insecure VPN protocol?
[09:49] <crimsun> osfameron: wifi-radar is available in Breezy. See http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=wifi-radar
[09:49] <osfameron> ompaul, dunno, it's the one we have at work - needs to accept Linux, Mac, Win connections
[09:49] <michele> well breezy has network manager... that should be enough and better than radar
[09:50] <osfameron> crimsun, michele : cool - don't get me wrong
[09:50] <Nathanial> Hey can anyone help me with a problem I'm having with themes?
[09:50] <osfameron> I'm impressed with ubuntu as *many* things work out of box
[09:50] <ompaul> osfameron, OpenVPN is a lot better, and rather good imho (but then anytime anyone says VPN I say Open - must have been really easy to set up and manage :)
[09:50] <arphetic> :/ WHY the fuck doesnt Gnome have KCrickety or something like that
[09:50] <arphetic> KLickety
[09:50] <arphetic> w/e
[09:50] <osfameron> but if it auto-configures power management, and has a full complement of worky network applets, it'll be even better
[09:50] <Madpilot> Nathanial: best to state the actual problem you're having...
[09:50] <Madpilot> !question
[09:50] <ubotu> Madpilot: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[09:51] <Madpilot> !questions
[09:51] <ubotu> [questions] what #ubuntu exists for. Please help by asking good, clear questions. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html is recommended reading
[09:51] <michele> osfameron, I fully agree with you (though I can't miss these things from windows as I've never used it on a laptop)
[09:51] <thoreauputic> arphetic: wtf is klickety ?
[09:51] <ompaul> arphetic, because its not KDE
[09:51] <osfameron> it's in my synaptic
[09:51] <osfameron> oh, but not authenticated
[09:51] <ompaul> Madpilot, ask is good :)
[09:51] <Nathanial> Okay I installed a dark theme from gnome art, and in mozilla all the black font is white, and hard to read. Its like this for every dark theme I install.
[09:51] <ompaul> !tell Madpilot about ask :)
[09:52] <ompaul> !tell Madpilot about ask
[09:52] <ompaul> Madpilot, :)
[09:52] <mchasard> hi
[09:52] <ompaul> hello
[09:52] <Madpilot> ompaul: man, that should be part of the /topic! it is better than !questions
[09:52] <ompaul> Madpilot, well you have choices it is open :)
[09:52] <Madpilot> arphetic: klickety shows up in Synaptic for me
[09:53] <mchasard> i would like to use ubuntu as a live cd only but save my config on a usb key ...is there a tool included ?
[09:53] <TheGnome> i switched back to debian........ : 0
[09:53] <TheGnome> sorry guys
[09:53] <mchasard> like many others distro
[09:53] <Prowl3r> Howdy TheGnome
[09:53] <TheGnome> Prowl3r, hello
[09:54] <Nathanial> I mean its like this for EVERY dark theme I install. I can't find a fix, and its hard to read text, and I like dark themes though.
[09:54] <Prowl3r> It's me ATI_RAGE_ you helped me a couple days back thanks
[09:54] <arphetic> rofl i wasnt being serious guys :)
[09:55] <arphetic> Same GNOME will do as well :]
[09:55] <Madpilot> Nathanial: can Firefox be edited for font type/colour? (I use Opera, and it can...)
[09:55] <ompaul> !tell Prowl3r about ati
[09:55] <TheGnome> Prowl3r, you can download the ati drivers from their site
[09:55] <ompaul> ahh Prowl3r is the user formerly known as ATI_RAGE
[09:56] <TheGnome> Prowl3r, or apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[09:56] <Nathanial> okay I'll try this. I also have the problem in XCHAT and GAIM, pretty much every font
[09:56] <mchasard> please is there an answer for me ?
[09:56] <michele> Nathanial, xchat has its own themes too. get one from xchat.org
[09:56] <Prowl3r> lol
[09:56] <clem_yeats> mchasard: what's the question ?
[09:57] <Prowl3r> Yes TheGnome lol the ATI nut
[09:57] <TheGnome> thats me
[09:57] <Prowl3r> well I'm kinda an ATI nut aswell
[09:57] <Nathanial> uh thanks for the help guys :)
[09:57] <mchasard> i would like to know if theres a tool included in ubuntu to save/restore config ?
[09:58] <mchasard> on a usb key for exemple
[09:58] <Prowl3r> Their stuff just seems to work for me, ATI Rage 3d card worked great under linux and beos
[09:58] <mchasard> lile many others distro
[09:58] <clem_yeats> mchasard: what kind of config ?
[09:58] <mchasard> a config for which i can retrieve all the parameters for a next reboot of a live cd
[09:59] <michele> mchasard, just use the other distro. slax or something
[09:59] <mchasard> hum yes but its not ubuntu ;-)
[09:59] <mchasard> pity that such a tool can't be find
[10:00] <clem_yeats> mchasard: I think the live CD of ubuntu is only intended to be a demo cd.. rather than something used by people who go from one computer to another.
[10:00] <Madpilot> need sleep... later all.
[10:00] <mchasard> mepis was also the same but thez include recently onthego feature
[10:00] <clem_yeats> mchasard: you could install ubuntu though and use the slax tool to make a live CD version of your Ubuntu install.
[10:01] <mchasard> really but ubuntu and slax are different not based on the same
[10:02] <PurpleMotion> i like the control the ubuntu live cd gives you, but i like the way knoppix boots up a lot better
[10:02] <clem_yeats> I know, but slax is a demo, it's the result of a set of tools dedicated to transform a linux installation into a bootable CD.
[10:02] <clem_yeats> mchasard: I never tried, but I think it would be ok to use slax tools to make a live Ubuntu CD.
[10:02] <PurpleMotion> some pretty fancy scripting in those live cds
[10:04] <mchasard> hum i'm not a very good linux user to be able to make it
[10:04] <PurpleMotion> ive been using linux for years and i wouldnt even think about it ;)
[10:04] <PurpleMotion> but then again, im just a user
[10:04] <mchasard> such a tool is not on the todo list of ubuntu ?
[10:05] <xrnath> question: In ubuntu what can i use to view flash .swf ?
[10:05] <xrnath> not within a browser, thats no prob
[10:06] <mchasard> ok thanks is there a french room for ubuntu ?
[10:06] <volvoguy> those slax cd's (and cd building tools) are pretty slick. i keep a mini-cd in my car at all times. :)
[10:06] <clem_yeats> mchasard: I'm French :)
[10:06] <mchasard> ok good to learn that ...
[10:08] <esenthiel> Hi - I am having trouble setting my resolution higher than 1024x768 - I tried setting it manually in xorg.conf but something messed up.
[10:09] <Prowl3r> Cya everyone
[10:09] <HiThere> so why is my video feed going out when I run gftp?
[10:09] <ttj> I have a machine with only SATA disk-drives. How do I install ubuntu when debian-installer can't find my disks?
[10:09] <arphetic> :/
[10:10] <arphetic> There is a writing error while writing new boot record to first hard disk drive. ????
[10:10] <arphetic> Does this have anything to do with the MBR?
[10:11] <ompaul> arphetic, it can do, and that is not an unreasonable suggestion
[10:13] <HiThere> why is my video feed going out when I run gftp?
[10:13] <ompaul> HiThere, I asked before where is this video feed coming from?
[10:13] <HiThere> my video card?
[10:14] <ompaul> no, what are you watching - what is generating the output - which programs
[10:14] <HiThere> just the desktop and gftp
[10:15] <ompaul> HiThere, and when you turn on gftp you get a 'black' screen or something else?
[10:15] <HiThere> yea, the monitor says "mode not supported"
[10:16] <arphetic> WTF -> Error: Hard Disk Drive is protected against writing?
[10:16] <ompaul> ahh now theres a thing try the following system - preferences - screen resolution and increase the resolution if you can
[10:16] <arphetic> I tried to activate the partition
[10:17] <ompaul> arphetic, got some norton installed on there or a little piece of bios that is trying to help but gets in the way
[10:17] <arphetic> ?
[10:18] <carambol> join #debian
[10:19] <ompaul> arphetic, some bios settings offer to 'mind' the harddrive and protect it against a boot sector virus - also if you are using some antivirus software it thinks it is its god given right to write protect the mbr
[10:20] <tristanmike> Thank You Everybody for your help, have a good night/day see you later
[10:21] <setite> you know why kde rocks
[10:21] <setite> because konqueror can do some things firefox wont
[10:22] <rowanjl> Hey guys, I'm trying to solve a bug that keeps happening with new Linux distros (Fedora Core 4, 4.10 and now 5.4). I've filed the bug report for Fedora (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=165192) but so far the problem is unsolved. Anyone want to take a look and see if they can reproduce it? Any information would be useful
[10:22] <arphetic> ompaul: i got it
[10:22] <Sonderblade> setite, which things?
[10:22] <arphetic> its the bios virus utiliyu ;)
[10:22] <ompaul> arphetic, what was it
[10:22] <ompaul> arphetic, :)
[10:22] <arphetic> :)
[10:22] <arphetic> I found it in google
[10:22] <arphetic> :)
[10:22] <arphetic> some discription wrote everything i needed lol
[10:23] <michele> setite, the reverse is also true, I guess
[10:23] <rowanjl> If anyone can think of a way to reproduce the bug, after the system is set up, let me know :)
[10:23] <ompaul> rowanjl, it is not a Ubuntu issue :)
[10:24] <rowanjl> ompaul, yes it is...
[10:24] <rowanjl> I have a feeling it might be something to do with newer kernels, as FC3 didn't do it. I can't say for Ubuntu versions before 4.10
[10:24] <Dreamer31> rowanjl: what?
[10:25] <rowanjl> ompaul, it might be a Fedora issue, but it also happens with Ubuntu
[10:25] <ompaul> rowanjl, not that I am aware of
[10:25] <rowanjl> Dreamer3, scroll up 10 lines...
[10:25] <eliphas_> morning
[10:25] <ompaul> rowanjl, and I have installed Ubuntu on several systems
[10:25] <rowanjl> ompaul, as far as I know I'm the only one who has had it :)
[10:25] <rowanjl> ompaul, its real strange, but it could be anything causing the problem'
[10:25] <michele> rowanjl, my guess is that you screwed something up. never happened to anyone else, AFAIK
[10:26] <ompaul> rowanjl, then your idea of doing something at some stange time in the setup is not helping things
[10:26] <rowanjl> michele, its not something screwed up, honest
[10:26] <rowanjl> just a plain install
[10:26] <cafuego> woo
[10:26] <cute_bettong> whats colony 3?
[10:26] <setite> yay... terrayaki beef steak nuggets!
[10:26] <rowanjl> What am I doing in the install that is so strange?
[10:26] <michele> rowanjl, you should try to install again and see if it happens again. that's the only way to confirm it might be a bug
[10:27] <ompaul> rowanjl, you are installing it, when do you try to use that user, i.e. at what stage of the process?
[10:27] <rowanjl> michele, as I said, it happens in FC4, 4.10 and 5.04
[10:27] <aleksi> does anyone have experience on video editing in ubuntu?
[10:27] <setite> who lives in a non-24 hour town
[10:27] <cute_bettong> bob2 whats colony 3?
[10:27] <Dreamer31> ok
[10:27] <rowanjl> ompaul, the normal part where it asks you to create a user?
[10:27] <aleksi> and which software would people recommend?
[10:27] <setite> what the hell do you do when you crave something at like 3 or 4 in the morning...
[10:27] <arphetic> How did i check the version i have?
[10:27] <Dreamer31> anyway i can get window-1, window-2, etc to switch desktops in xfce?
[10:27] <Dreamer31> if so i think i'd be in love
[10:28] <Dreamer31> old habits die hard
[10:28] <ompaul> that is not the time to test its 'being there' that stage is after first reboot
[10:28] <ompaul> setite, think of something else :)
[10:28] <rowanjl> ompaul, pardon?
[10:28] <selinium> Ok people, how do i read a memo sent to me?
[10:28] <selinium> in IRC
[10:28] <cafuego> selinium: /msg memoserv help
[10:28] <arphetic> !version
[10:28] <ubotu> arphetic: I give up, what is it?
[10:29] <selinium> cafuego: cheers!
[10:29] <arphetic> !help
[10:29] <ompaul> rowanjl, the point at which one checks the availablity of the user account is after the machine has rebooted once, after the install
[10:30] <rowanjl> ompaul, huh? During the install when it asks you to make a user, thats what I do. When I try to login as the user things get barfed because the user doesn't own its own home directory
[10:32] <rowanjl> ompaul, did you understand me? :/
[10:32] <Renski2> Im trying to setup my D-Link DWL-G650, and im reading this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=36800 , how can I tell what the right linux-headers package is?
[10:33] <zerboxx> setite: heh, I didn't have to, but for some reason my audio sounds better if it's not at 100%, so I made a little script that'll keep it at 95%
[10:33] <bronco> !ati
[10:33] <ubotu> [ati] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[10:33] <ubiquitin> anyone here using Breezy and Skype?
[10:33] <osfa> Kontact-- # the bloody KWallet thing pops up, asking your password, and *doesn't take focus*
[10:33] <cute_bettong> i thought x was broken in breezy?
[10:33] <osfa> how retarded is that?
[10:34] <ompaul> rowanjl, I have over 10 years installing and using unix like operating systems, yeap I understood, you are suggesting that /home/rowan does not have the permissions ronan:ronan on your ubuntu box after you setting up the box first time
[10:34] <Ng> osfa: file a bug report :)
[10:34] <setite> why wont firefox run a chm help
[10:34] <Nathanial> Does anybody know how to change the defualt firefox icon to the new icon/
[10:34] <setite> but konqueror will
[10:34] <ubiquitin> osfa: but that's what KDE is all about :))
[10:34] <osfa> Ng, good plan
[10:34] <osfa> Well, Kmail is significantly shinier than Evolution
[10:34] <ompaul> rowanjl, actually change the word permissions to ownership
[10:34] <rowanjl> ompaul, exactly, and as Ubuntu and Fedora don't share the same firstboot I find this really odd :/
[10:35] <rowanjl> ompaul, yep
[10:35] <cute_bettong> i like thunderbird myself
[10:35] <osfa> but I think I might go back to Thunderbird, as it works, and doesn't make me want to throw it out of the window
[10:35] <cute_bettong> it seems to have really good junk mail filters
[10:35] <rowanjl> ompaul, I'd like to try and get it fixed before breezy
[10:35] <rowanjl> But as I don't even know what causes it... well yeah!
[10:36] <ompaul> rowanjl, it is not happening to anyone else or it would be well documented with a work around
[10:36] <osfa> gah, Kontact bug report wizard won't launch: needs 'kfmclient'. Back to synaptc :-)
[10:36] <ompaul> rowanjl, and if it is only happening to you then I suggest it it something you are doing, common to both boxes
[10:36] <Nathanial> Nlw
[10:36] <ompaul> rowanjl, or common to both installs
[10:36] <Nathanial> *how do you change the firefox icon to the new icon?
[10:37] <rowanjl> ompaul, one box, three versions of linux, following normal installation
[10:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> how does ubuntu react to belkin routers?
[10:37] <ompaul> rowanjl, okay, and they all have their own /home?
[10:37] <osfa> Oh, kfmclient isn't in synaptic
[10:37] <rowanjl> I don't do anything unusual when installing Ubuntu
[10:37] <osfa> that's handy
[10:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm buying a brand new in the box belkin router for 9.99 if ubuntu can tolerate it
[10:37] <rowanjl> ompaul, the user created at install? yep
[10:37] <setite> does ubuntu have problem wiht routers?
[10:37] <rowanjl> ompaul, actually!
[10:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it's even 801.11g ^_^
[10:38] <ompaul> rowanjl, no sorry, they are all using a seperate partition for home?
[10:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> settite don't use d-link >.<
[10:38] <rowanjl> ompaul, yes, I completely forgot... duhh
[10:38] <setite> ok...
[10:38] <setite> yea im a linksys guy.....
[10:38] <rowanjl> ompaul, that would be it, wouldn't it?
[10:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> they seem to burn out to quick
[10:38] <setite> had de-link years ago
[10:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i can't forward anyports anymore
[10:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but this belkin one seems really nice
[10:39] <ompaul> rowanjl, so the problem exists where?
[10:39] <rowanjl> ompaul, if the partitions are not mounted when it makes the user, that would explain alot
[10:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it's got a built in hardware firewall besides port forwarding and other "nifty" securety features
[10:40] <zerboxx> Is there any reason why "fullscreen" in mplayer is just the same size, but the rest of the screen goes black
[10:40] <setite> how do i get wmp9 plugin to work
[10:40] <setite> it works on windows so there must be a way to work it on the linux ff
[10:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> zerboxx: annoying ant it? i've been looking for the answer for like 3 monthes now >.<
[10:41] <Ng> easy
[10:41] <Ng> stick "zoom=yes" in your ~/.mplayer/config file
[10:41] <Ng> :)
[10:41] <ompaul> rowanjl, they are not mounted before the machine reboots with the correct names - the real / is on the cdrom at that time
[10:41] <setite> ChurcH_of_FoamY: what?
[10:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> are you shittin me O_o
[10:41] <setite> haha... so simple
[10:41] <selinium> language Foamy .. :)
[10:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> setite: what about what?
[10:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> selinium: sorry man >.<
[10:42] <setite> what about mplayer.. it doesnt zoom?
[10:42] <selinium> ChurcH_of_FoamY: lol
[10:42] <zerboxx> ChurcH_of_FoamY: It is that easy!
[10:42] <arphetic> Anyone has an idea where all these maps come from? like C:/#%@!^@&_&%*(#!%&!@%&!@(*
[10:42] <arphetic> I mean, only thing i did was running TinyLinux
[10:43] <arphetic> fdisk
[10:43] <zerboxx> Ng: That was too easy, thanks! (not sure why that isn't an option but whatever, it's fixed now)
[10:43] <setite> does mplayer do anything that kaffeine doesnt?
[10:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> a customer bought a 486 dx 66 and wants me to upgrade it >.< lol
[10:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i hate stupid people >.<
[10:43] <setite> god dont you love that
[10:43] <setite> my friend bought some old pc
[10:43] <setite> really old
[10:43] <setite> i havent even heard of the company
[10:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i mean a 486 dx 66 who the heck uses them anymore
[10:43] <setite> it has less than a gig harddrive
[10:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wow
[10:44] <setite> like one of the pcs when laptops were inventend
[10:44] <setite> it doesnt have a floppy drive
[10:44] <setite> does that give a hint at how old it is
[10:44] <setite> no drives
[10:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> this one has a 128 mb hd and a wopping 32mb 72 pin edo
[10:44] <rowanjl> ChurcH_of_FoamY, lots of servos have them :)
[10:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> holy cow
[10:44] <setite> it was a DECpc
[10:44] <michele> less than a gig? I still have my 84MB HD at home
[10:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> O_o
[10:44] <michele> and my 386 40MHz
[10:44] <michele> from cyrix
[10:45] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> jeeze the oldest box i have is the one i'm using
[10:45] <setite> well sorry.. less than a gig is small to me
[10:45] <selinium> I am still using a athlon 900 as my main machine!
[10:45] <setite> lemme find the specs
[10:45] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> a pIII 600b Mhz
[10:45] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> with 2 gigs pc133
[10:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and with ubuntu it runs faster than my my p4 1.5mhz with 768mb rambus
[10:46] <selinium> ChurcH_of_FoamY: wins on the processor front! I only have 128 of RAm
[10:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> although i must say that rambus ricks
[10:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i have a 1200mb swap in this box and theres 1200mb free in that swap ^_^
[10:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i love it
[10:47] <twibbler> good morning all .
[10:47] <setite> can i take off the password on kde wallet
[10:47] <clem_yeats> hi twibbler
[10:47] <setite> i dont want password protection
[10:47] <setite> i want my pc free to all
[10:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ubuntu really does give new life to older machenes i mean i get a faster fps in source than on my windows box
[10:48] <user1> anyone have ndiswrapper working?
[10:48] <setite> source?
[10:48] <twibbler> I have ndiswrapper working fine ...
[10:49] <user1> modprobe will not insert ndiswrapper for me complaining about the dot ko file
[10:49] <twibbler> sudo modprobe ndiswrapper ...
[10:49] <nemlah> Hello all
[10:50] <setite> here is that old pc http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=177&item=5212559959
[10:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> my pc specs pIII 600mhz mem=2gigs hard drive 10,000 rpm 120gig raptor gigabit ethernet 10/100/1000 ethernet card usb 2.0 card firewire card wireless (not microsoft) keyboard and mouse and an 80 gig storage drive at 75,000 rpm
[10:50] <user1> I'm inserting from a root terminal. It reports a fatal error
[10:50] <nemlah> Can someone point me to information on using the latest kernel snapshots with ubuntu
[10:50] <ilba7r> anyone using enlightenment
[10:50] <twibbler> userl can you do a ndiswrapper -l
[10:50] <user1> its not there
[10:51] <twibbler> what ndiswrapper ...
[10:51] <setite> decpc 320p... i cant find that stats on it
[10:51] <nemlah> anyone using the 2.6.13-rcx kernels?
[10:51] <user1> sorry... one minute, its on another machine I need to boot
[10:51] <nemlah> apparently they do contain a v4l patch needed
[10:51] <jtan325> has anyone gotten the java plug-in to work in firefox?
[10:52] <jtan325> i've got the jre-1.5 installed from the repos
[10:52] <nemlah> yeah
[10:52] <setite> MS-DOS 5, 20 MHz 386sx, 80-meg drive, 6 MB RAM, grayscale VGA display
[10:52] <jtan325> and according to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java, that's all i need to do
[10:52] <setite> and he wanted winxp
[10:52] <ilba7r> anyone know how to change the default theme of nautilus?
[10:52] <setite> ya
[10:52] <jtan325> but it's not showing up in "about:plugins"
[10:52] <jtan325> and java stuff isn't loading
[10:52] <ilba7r> sorry let me rephrase how to change gtk themes using command line
[10:52] <nemlah> look at the unofficial http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[10:53] <twibbler> I wonder if anybody could answer a ? about booting up .. system now boots up to login prompt only after upgrade .. have to run startx
[10:53] <nemlah> jtan 325 it worked for me
[10:54] <jtan325> hmm yeah i already read that
[10:55] <setite> hmmm.. twibbler what did you do
[10:55] <setite> did you install or uninstall your desktop
[10:56] <setite> actually i shouldnt take your question.... i should wait for someone else... i think i know why butnot how to fix it
[10:56] <setite> ill ask one thing... do you see GDM or KDM loading as your pc boots
[10:56] <mrchicago> /server irc.criten.net
[10:57] <user1> twibbler: ndiswrapper -l works fine, the driver is present
[10:57] <setite> whats the command to open a new server
[10:57] <user1> when I modprobe -i ndiswrapper the comp reports
[10:58] <setite> ./server -soemthing irc.blah.net
[10:58] <user1> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper ( path to ko ): Operation not permitted
[10:58] <setite> user1:
[10:58] <setite> use sudo
[10:58] <setite> i get operation not permitted when i dont use sudo first
[10:59] <setite> so "sudo modprobe -i ndiswrapper"
[10:59] <setite> did this room die?
[10:59] <user1> setite: I'm doing the operation from a root terminal, sudo is not needed
[11:00] <setite> ok then... dont know...
[11:00] <Rod> hi
[11:00] <setite> where did everyone go
[11:00] <azriel0184> sudo -s is good for getting a root terminal
[11:00] <setite> did i get booted on a split?
[11:00] <user1> anyone: this is driving me nuts I'm thinking about putting a bounty on this
[11:00] <nemlah> anyone with kernel 2.6.13 ?
[11:00] <setite> ive never foudn the need for a root terminal
[11:00] <zaid> hello
[11:01] <nemlah> is there a way to update to this kernel tree>
[11:01] <azriel0184> setite: i do all the time
[11:01] <zaid> every body
[11:01] <nemlah> hello zaid
[11:01] <setite> ChurcH_of_FoamY: you there
[11:01] <setite> azriel0184: what for
[11:01] <Rod> did you try a colony3 install? im running hoary happily but wondering what's in the make :)
[11:01] <ilba7r> user1 which ndiswrapper you use
[11:01] <user1> using ndiswrapper 1.2
[11:01] <Rod> but the day before yesterday i took a daily build and i couldnt get nautilus running (unmet deps)
[11:02] <zaid> hi mudassir
[11:02] <setite> anyoen in here a satanist?
[11:02] <setite> whoa.. nevermind.. thats a bit off topic
[11:02] <azriel0184> setite: you can easily use a whole heap of sudo's, but setting up things, i often use a console
[11:02] <ilba7r> user1 did you compile it from source
[11:02] <setite> hi mudassier
[11:02] <user1> yes I did
[11:02] <ilba7r> user1 did you get the right kernel header $uname-r
[11:02] <setite> azriel0184: i suppose.. ive had bad experiences iwht root... like apps that wont run and stuff
[11:03] <michele> sometimes I wonder about setite's sanity
[11:03] <setite> i just find it easier to use sudo...
[11:03] <setite> michele: i think dont believe in sanity
[11:03] <osfa> It's annoying that you can't run a root app from Run Application menu
[11:03] <setite> michele: i question why you name has one L :)
[11:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> setite: yes i'm here whats up?
[11:03] <setite> haha
[11:03] <osfa> if you try 'synaptic' it complains needs to be run as root
[11:03] <user1> yes I did get the correct kernel headers ( uname -r )
[11:03] <osfa> if you try 'sudo synaptic' it doesnt' do anything
[11:03] <michele> setite, because Ls are expensive here
[11:04] <setite> ChurcH_of_FoamY: just checking... i thought the server split because it got quiet
[11:04] <user1> ... I think
[11:04] <ilba7r> check it out
[11:04] <user1> let me check
[11:04] <ilba7r> type $uname-r in a terminal and ckeck if it is the headers you installed
[11:04] <setite> michele
[11:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> roflmao the otherday it did >.<
[11:04] <setite> michele: i only see you active when im talking abotu something nuts
[11:05] <zaid> aye gadhay
[11:05] <setite> ChurcH_of_FoamY: it did a few hours ago..
[11:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[11:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> new foamy @ www.illwillpress.com
[11:05] <ilba7r> anyone know how to change gtk themes using command line
[11:05] <setite> where is a really good chatroom to talk abotu random sh**
[11:06] <setite> on this server or any.. should i check efnet?
[11:06] <setite> new foam
[11:06] <setite> yea!!!!
[11:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hmm #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:06] <setite> lets see if FF will play it
[11:06] <setite> nah ubuntu-offtopic has like 10 people in it
[11:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hmmm go trolling O_o
[11:07] <setite> ChurcH_of_FoamY: i must say the show is getting lacking
[11:07] <setite> whoa that was poor english
[11:07] <setite> tried to say is getting bad and is lacking
[11:07] <setite> someone log on who i can actually help
[11:07] <setite> i feel bad
[11:08] <setite> i miss the modded xbox channels
[11:08] <setite> i was worth something there
[11:08] <setite> god i hate this.. foamys load in liek 2 seconds on my home pc... but like a minute on this wireless
[11:09] <setite> ok this room died again...
[11:09] <arphetic> Anyone has a ASCII tabel thing??
[11:09] <sn0n> google it
[11:09] <sn0n> will take 2 seconds
[11:09] <sn0n> i think like http://asciitable.com or something is one
[11:09] <user1> ilba7r: synaptic package manager says linux kernel headers is 2.5.999-test-bk-17 but uname -r says 2.6.10-5-386
[11:10] <sn0n> arphetic, yeah.. http://asciitable.com
[11:10] <arphetic> yesi found it already,
[11:10] <arphetic> but erm
[11:10] <user1> anyone else?
[11:10] <nemlah> Ne1 knows where to find repos with bleeding edge kernels?
[11:10] <arphetic> How do i input those keys -> fdisk ?
[11:11] <setite> i want a sacred space!!!
[11:11] <sn0n> what do you mean ?
[11:11] <arphetic> well
[11:11] <nemlah> >kernel 2.6.13
[11:11] <arphetic> to get those signs
[11:11] <arphetic> ;)
[11:11] <setite> askee
[11:11] <arphetic> i have to insert Volume name in FDISK
[11:11] <arphetic> but its like chinese
[11:11] <setite> ascii askee
[11:11] <sn0n> ur making no sense
[11:11] <setite> do you say the letters or do you make a word
[11:11] <sn0n> hrmm.. no clue ?
[11:12] <arphetic> err?
[11:12] <arphetic> u guys talking 2 me?
[11:12] <setite> chinese... nah japanese is bette
[11:12] <setite> r
[11:12] <setite> ok im off to find somewhere that i can talk randomly
[11:12] <setite> but i need to knwo how to open a new server
[11:13] <Ng> type /quit ;)
[11:13] <arphetic> well the name is like "o o,o ,~a'e
[11:13] <arphetic> like this
[11:13] <arphetic> (but then different
[11:13] <setite> no... to open a new seperate server is /server -somethine irc.server.com
[11:13] <setite> but i cant remember the letter
[11:14] <setite> omg
[11:14] <setite> never type /list on efnet
[11:14] <setite> im used to mirc which opens a window and does it slowly.. but konversation trys to maul me and my mouse was jumping across the screen.. once a second
[11:14] <setite> wow... bad
[11:16] <Ali`G> glibc-2.3.4 were can i download this?
[11:16] <fluffybunny_> I was browsing and discovered I don't have J2RE installed, and its not in the package manager, so I downloaded it and tried to install in manually, but it doesn't work. QUESTION: is j2re in the package manager, and I just missed it somehow?
[11:16] <Ng> Ali`G: why do you want to replace your libc?
[11:16] <Ng> (that is to say, you almost certainly don't want to)
[11:16] <Ali`G> lol
[11:17] <fluffybunny_> i followed the instructions at http://java.com/en/download/help/5000010500.xml#selfextracting, but they didn't work...
[11:17] <arphetic> The Volume name would be in ascii: 193 34 248 32 48 44 248 32 44 142 130
[11:17] <michele> !tell fluffybunny_ about java
[11:17] <fluffybunny_> michele: thanks!
[11:17] <sn0n> !ping
[11:17] <ubotu> Keep your fingers to yourself, sn0n.
[11:17] <sn0n> thnx
[11:17] <sn0n> :-D
[11:17] <arphetic> Anyone has an idea?
[11:19] <kzm> Morning, all! A long time ago, on a distribution far from here, I used to have several accounts with [KG] DM icons and no password in order to run e.g. a DVD player. I can't seem to find how to set this up in Ubuntu. Any ideas?
[11:20] <bina> anybody know why I wouldnt be able to get translucency in KDE 3.4? I have it enabled, just nothing happens. I have a nVidia GF4 card (but only the default driver installed, no GL)
[11:21] <Nathanial> anybody know how to replace the firefox icon with the newer one?
[11:21] <Rod> which icon
[11:21] <Thunder000> what's a good application for viewing pictures ?
[11:21] <Nathanial> Mozilla the browser
[11:21] <Rod> Thunder00 f-spot
[11:21] <Rod> yeah but where is the icon Nathanial
[11:22] <Rod> just right click on the icon and select a new one
[11:22] <Nathanial> I'm asking if there is a way to get an icon for it that looks like the one for windows
[11:22] <Nathanial> the flame or fox tail
[11:25] <setite> thats a good question...
[11:25] <setite> the linux one is lame
[11:26] <Ng> it's not "the linux one"
[11:26] <Ng> it's the debian one
[11:27] <Ng> because mozilla have stupid rules about using their trademarks
[11:27] <Ng> the official icon isn't included in the package, but you could yoink it from another machine, or probably grab a similar picture from the firefox site
[11:27] <timtux> Hum, ive got an VIA UniChrome gfx card. It wont work in ubuntu :-/
[11:27] <kzm> What program is used to configure KDM (or KDE in general)?
[11:28] <kzm> kdm_config "is not supposed to be run manually, apparently.
[11:28] <setite> why would anyone want freebsd
[11:28] <setite> isnt the support even worse than linux
[11:28] <wickedpuppy> setite, its stable
[11:28] <wickedpuppy> check out the netcraft
[11:28] <bina> where is my 'X config' file? also, does Ubuntu use Xorg ?
[11:28] <Ng> setite: different systems are suitable for different things
[11:28] <wickedpuppy> all the best servers run on BSDs
[11:28] <Ng> bina: /etc/X11/xorg.conf and yes
[11:29] <bina> Ng: thanks
[11:29] <Ng> wickedpuppy: some of
[11:29] <setite> besides servers
[11:29] <Ng> setite: different systems are suitable for different things
[11:29] <Ng> :)
[11:29] <setite> why would and end user want it on his home pc
[11:29] <Ng> define "end user"
[11:29] <Ng> a grandmother probably wouldn't
[11:30] <Ng> a techie guy who wants a stable source based unix might well do
[11:30] <timtux> Somone knows if brreezy gonna have bettter support for VIA gfx cards ?
[11:30] <wickedpuppy> setite, Ng ... go see here http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.html
[11:31] <wickedpuppy> if you can find a linux server tell me
[11:31] <Ng> wickedpuppy: uptime means nothing
[11:31] <imsick> hi
[11:31] <imsick> i need help
[11:31] <imsick> anyone?
[11:31] <Ng> wickedpuppy: any linux system that's been up for several years is guaranteed to be full of exploitable holes ;)
[11:31] <wickedpuppy> it is :P
[11:31] <Ng> imsick: ask your question
[11:31] <wickedpuppy> then isn't it amazing why they are still up ?? :P
[11:32] <imsick> i just installed ubuntu
[11:32] <imsick> what is the root password?
[11:32] <setite> what is netcraft.. alll i see is a rainbow
[11:32] <wickedpuppy> no root pass ...
[11:32] <setite> i dont like rainbows
[11:32] <imsick> i cant login as root
[11:32] <timtux> imsick, no
[11:32] <Ng> wickedpuppy: no, I have a laptop here running redhat 6 that hasn't been rebooted in about 18 months, that doesn't make it a good server ;)
[11:32] <timtux> imsick, its disablet
[11:32] <timtux> imsick, use sudo
[11:32] <Ng> imsick: there is no root password
[11:32] <laxise> hi theere
[11:32] <setite> oh server thingy
[11:32] <laxise> could I have some questions
[11:32] <laxise> ?
[11:32] <Jalada> you can use sudo -s if you want a root shell
[11:32] <setite> you have to set a root password
[11:32] <imsick> how can i login as root
[11:32] <HiThere> is AIM down for everybody?
[11:32] <Ng> laxise: yes
[11:32] <setite> sudo passwd root
[11:32] <setite> i think
[11:33] <laxise> Ng: first where to find mplayer package
[11:33] <fluffybunny_> help: i tried to add the hoar-extras repository, (following the HowTo) but it fails to download... what to do?
[11:33] <laxise> can't find it in the repository
[11:33] <Jalada> there's no need to though
[11:33] <timtux> imsick, WHY do you gonna login as root? its dumb
[11:33] <imsick> im installing skype
[11:33] <Jalada> use sudo
[11:33] <Ng> laxise: check the ubuntu wiki for BreakMyUbuntu and AddingRepositories, enable universe and multiverse, then it should be ok
[11:33] <imsick> it wont install if not root
[11:33] <setite> timtux: be nice... people have their things
[11:33] <azriel0184> laxise: its in the multiverse
[11:33] <Jalada> imsick, use sudo
[11:33] <laxise> it isn't in universe
[11:33] <output> hi guys, is anyone available to help me setup an xnest environment?
[11:33] <wickedpuppy> sudo dpkg -i *skype-name*
[11:33] <laxise> ah there is multiverse
[11:33] <setite> shoudl i get skype
[11:34] <setite> i feel left out
[11:34] <laxise> but that isn't kept by ubuntu...am I correct?
[11:34] <timtux> setite, ;)
[11:34] <Ng> laxise: multiverse is hosted by ubuntu, it's just unsupported
[11:34] <laxise> I see thanx :))
[11:34] <fluffybunny_> help: i tried to add the hoar-extras repository, (following the HowTo) but it fails to download... what to do?
[11:34] <laxise> second question
[11:34] <laxise> is how to install firefox extesion
[11:34] <Ng> usually you just click on the link in firefox and it'll prompt to install it
[11:35] <mayco> I've downloaded and tried the colony 3 live cd on my dell inspiron 6000 laptop, and there are some things that don't work. Where should I report them? Can I get in touch with someone responsible for LaptopMission?
[11:35] <Ng> if you have a .xpi file, go File->Open in firefox and browse to it
[11:35] <laxise> after I click install ... it doesn't install. When I donwnload it is just packed file...could I unpack it and copy it somewhere?
[11:35] <imsick> could anyone here help me install skype?
[11:35] <imsick> i dont know how
[11:36] <setite> didnyt you hear what they said
[11:36] <setite> what kind of package is it
[11:36] <HiThere> is AIM down for everybody?
[11:36] <setite> whats the extension? .DEB?
[11:36] <setite> HiThere: yea
[11:37] <laxise> Ng: I did that (file-> browse), however, I still get empty window
[11:37] <laxise> and now extension installed
[11:37] <setite> HiThere: i just checked kopete and it disconnected
[11:37] <HiThere> okay thank you
[11:37] <Ng> laxise: hmm, that's quite odd
[11:37] <michele> imsick, http://ubuntuguide.org/#skype
[11:37] <Owtput> hi guys, are any of you familiar with xnest (and a different wm) in X?
[11:37] <setite> omg.. AIM disconnected... the y2k bug has hit at last!!!
[11:37] <bina> are these translucencies sped up if I isntall the Nvidia driver?
[11:37] <fluffybunny_> Need help with Adding Repositories: I tried to add the hoary-extras repository (in Synaptic)(following the HowTo) but it fails to download... what to do?
[11:37] <azriel0184> why did ubuntuguide.org get taken out of the topic line here? thats a great site
[11:37] <Ng> bina: the nvidia drivers can accelerate the Composite X extension, but very little uses it so far and it's quite experimental. if you mean terminal transparencies.... no
[11:38] <Ng> azriel0184: no it's not
[11:38] <setite> azriel0184: its frowned upon for some reason
[11:38] <Ng> it may seem like it, but it's really not
[11:38] <clem_yeats> azriel0184: seemingly people disagree about this
[11:38] <setite> !ubuntuguide
[11:38] <ubotu> from memory, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide. Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. The official FAQ Guide will be released with Breezy, stay tuned
[11:38] <laxise> Ng: I know that is why I ask? :)). The multiverse works just fine :)
[11:38] <setite> see
[11:38] <bina> Ng: well i think its the composite extension, for the KDE 3.4 translucency effect?
[11:38] <Tidge> Sorry 4 off-topic - don't know where else to go: Does anyone know where to get a GMAIL invite?
[11:38] <Ng> laxise: well, the only thing I can think of to suggest is to close firefox and run "firefox -ProfileManager" from a terminal, create a new profile and see if that can install any extensions, if it can then your profile is broken, if not then firefox is broken
[11:38] <bina> ill isntall anyway, then i can play on tux racer again :)
[11:39] <Ng> bina: not sure, don't use KDE
[11:39] <alonso> hola
[11:39] <setite> Tidge: google it... thats all i did... ill google it again fo royu
[11:39] <bina> Ng, oh right, k. Well, ill try, see what happens
[11:39] <fluffybunny_> Tidge: you need to ask someone with a Gmail address
[11:39] <azriel0184> Ng: i learnt alot about linux and ubuntu from that site. *sigh* oh well
[11:39] <laxise> Ng: good idea :))
[11:39] <arphetic> http://www.rootx.nl/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=7441#7441
[11:39] <osfa> I quite like ubuntuguide
[11:39] <laxise> perhaps during the update the profile got broken
[11:39] <laxise> ...
[11:39] <alonso> hola laxise
[11:39] <Ng> azriel0184: I'd say the wiki and the mailing list and the forums and here are better :)
[11:39] <setite> i need a new one
[11:40] <setite> fluffybunny_: no oyu dont
[11:40] <laxise> alonso: hola
[11:40] <setite> googling "free g-mail invite" shows many sites
[11:40] <arphetic> I wrote the story about my "error" with FDISK and stuff here -> http://www.rootx.nl/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=7441#7441
[11:40] <setite> www.bytetest.com for example
[11:40] <drummer87> hey, does anyone here play Quake3? I'm not sure how to install it..
[11:40] <fluffybunny_> setite: ok, well, someone with a gmail address can also invite :)
[11:40] <azriel0184> Ng: there are times i just want to know what to do to install something... i just pile all the instruction into a .sh file and run it and leave it alone for a while
[11:40] <setite> hehe ok
[11:40] <alonso> adios
[11:40] <azriel0184> to each his own
[11:40] <Ng> azriel0184: :)
[11:40] <setite> yea bytetest.com is a good place... that have 8654 invites remaining
[11:41] <setite> so anyone who wante the devil mail go get it
[11:41] <setite> i read that your gmail can be found on google
[11:41] <setite> so im scared to use it
[11:42] <kemik> setite: where did you read that ?
[11:42] <omp342> hi guys
[11:42] <setite> kemik: ill try and find it...
[11:42] <omp342> i'm thinking of making the switch from fedora to ubuntu
[11:42] <timtux> omeg, do it
[11:43] <azriel0184> setite: i would be interested to see it too
[11:43] <Ng> omp342: good call :)
[11:43] <omp342> =]
[11:43] <laxise> Ng: can you perform system wide update? From warty to hoary?
[11:43] <drummer87> i guess noone has quake3 then...
[11:44] <azriel0184> laxise: "can" and "should" are different words
[11:44] <laxise> azriel0184: I know ... and I said CAN
[11:44] <fluffybunny_> setite: i can't find my mail on google... (i use gmail)
[11:44] <azriel0184> well, you can
[11:44] <azriel0184> just change your sources to hoary instead of warty
[11:44] <laxise> ok I supposed that
[11:44] <omp342> i'm downloading the amd64 version right now
[11:45] <Ng> laxise: yes, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace all "warty" occurances with "hoary", then do "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade". It'll need to download about 400-500mb though, so grabbing the CD and upgrading might not be a bad plan ;)
[11:45] <clem_yeats> laxise: you can update every single package... it's possible, but you may as well install hoary then.
[11:45] <omp342> unlike fedora, it's not going to take me 20 hours :D
[11:45] <setite> looking.. and for the record.. ubuntuguide is god
[11:45] <setite> its what i like... spoonfed answers
[11:45] <azriel0184> lol setite
[11:45] <setite> no bs... just a whole lotta ish in one page
[11:45] <laxise> Ng: great :)) ... I'm used to gentoo so... it is fun with ubutu :)
[11:46] <DukGalNamu> hey, would i break javascript if i removed the libjavaso file from the firefox plugins?
[11:46] <laxise> clem_yeats: yes, but the CD has same size so what is the difference
[11:46] <DukGalNamu> or would that only disable java?
[11:47] <Ng> laxise: hehe
[11:47] <setite> whats a good site for tech new
[11:47] <setite> s
[11:47] <omp342> since i'm gonna uninstall fedora so i can install ubuntu, if i delete fedora's installation what will happen to the bootloader fedora installed?
[11:47] <fluffybunny_> can anyone help me with adding repositories?
[11:48] <setite> im trying to find this article.. it was on a security news site
[11:48] <clem_yeats> DukGalNamu: That would only affect the plugin, not the java interpreter
[11:48] <DukGalNamu> clem_yeats: so i wouldn't be able to launch java apps, but i could still run java script?
[11:48] <clem_yeats> omp342: Ubuntu will ask you if you want to put grub in your MBR.
[11:48] <azriel0184> omp342: simple solution is just to delete all the partitions in the ubuntu installer, and let ubuntu install its boot loader. takes care of everything
[11:49] <clem_yeats> DukGalNamu: well... there is no such thing as java scripts.
[11:49] <clem_yeats> DukGalNamu: well... the interpreter "java" runs apps.
[11:49] <omp342> its because im worried deleting the fedora partition would mess up the bootloader and i wont be able to get into xp
[11:49] <michele> clem_yeats, well... there's beanshell :)
[11:49] <clem_yeats> hmm...
[11:49] <azriel0184> ohh, your on a dual boot...
[11:50] <omp342> yes
[11:50] <azriel0184> you can add it after ubuntu installs?
[11:50] <clem_yeats> dukgalnamu: what use do you have of java ?
[11:50] <azriel0184> in fact, ubuntu should detect it and add it itself? someone correct me if im wrong
[11:50] <DukGalNamu> clem_yeats: it keeps crashing firefox
[11:51] <DukGalNamu> clem_yeats: actually, i think it has something to do with my bookmarks....
[11:51] <clem_yeats> dukGalNamu: well this is only the plugin..
[11:51] <Nathanial> When I try to update Ubuntu I get
[11:51] <Nathanial> "It is not possible to upgrade all packages.
[11:51] <Nathanial> This means that besides the actual upgrade of the packages some further action (such as installing or removing packages) is required. Please use Synaptic "Smart Upgrade" or "apt-get dist-upgrade" to fix the situation."
[11:51] <Nathanial> The Following Pacakges Are not upgraded:
[11:51] <clem_yeats> dukGalNamu: do you actually run java applications or not ?
[11:51] <Nathanial> mozilla-firefox
[11:51] <Nathanial> mozilla-firefox-gnome-support
[11:52] <liable> omp342: just delete the partition in the installer, install ubuntu, it should dtect windows no problem..
[11:52] <Nathanial> Is there something I'm supposed to do before update?
[11:52] <DukGalNamu> clem_yeats: i actually moved my original config folder for firefox and started a new one and everything was fine, bt when i moved my bookmarks it crashed...
[11:52] <omp342> ok
[11:52] <DukGalNamu> clem_yeats: i was
[11:52] <DukGalNamu> clem_yeats: not anymore
[11:52] <omp342> so i should delete the partition in the ubuntu installer and not in partitionmagic?
[11:53] <clem_yeats> dukGalNamu: so you're only using the java plugin in order to run applets
[11:53] <laxise> do NOT do ever linux partitions in partition magic!
[11:53] <DukGalNamu> clem_yeats: was
[11:53] <omp342> i made my fedora partition in partition magic
[11:53] <omp342> and it worked fine
[11:53] <DukGalNamu> clem_yeats: until i deleted it a couple of seconds ago
[11:53] <laxise> you did what? ext2 or ext3?
[11:53] <clem_yeats> dukGalNamu: well... you said the problem only occured when you restored your bookmarks
[11:54] <clem_yeats> dukGalNamu: check the files permissions.. owners.. etc.
[11:54] <laxise> as I remember it made error in journal
[11:54] <laxise> file
[11:54] <DukGalNamu> clem_yeats: yeah, although the problem persisted with yahoo
[11:54] <omp342> ext3
[11:54] <DukGalNamu> clem_yeats: i still crashed when trying to log out of yahoo
[11:54] <omp342> i made a 2gb swap partition and a 60gb ext3 partition
[11:55] <omp342> and installed fedora
[11:55] <omp342> it was fine
[11:55] <DukGalNamu> clem_yeats: is it possible i fried my cpu?
[11:55] <setite> i cant find the article... but i remember what it said... something about someone found their email over google...
[11:55] <fluffybunny_> aha, found it (after some time): if you are worried about security on gmail, take a look at this slashdot article: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/4707
[11:55] <laxise> the problem was that...it worked ok. However, if you wanted to resize the partition you get error and you can't do anything with fdisk. Perhaps they corrected this problem in last version, however, I have tested it with 8.01 and the problem remained
[11:55] <liable> azriel0184: check xserver log, see if it gives any clues.
[11:55] <clem_yeats> dukGalNamu: no :))
[11:55] <setite> fluffybunny_: you dound it?
[11:55] <azriel0184> liable: ???
[11:55] <omp342> i have 8.01 =/
[11:55] <liable> azriel0184: sorry
[11:55] <DukGalNamu> clem_yeats: cause it was getting pretty hot...
[11:56] <laxise> the update: 490MB & 250MB needed ;)
[11:56] <laxise> nice
[11:56] <clem_yeats> dukgalnamu : if your CPU had fried you wouldn't even be able to start your machine anymore.
[11:56] <laxise> omp342: so just pray :)
[11:56] <omp342> so i should just format the fedora partition in ubuntu installation
[11:56] <omp342> and install ubuntu
[11:56] <omp342> and evertyhing will be fine?
[11:57] <omp342> everything*
[11:57] <clem_yeats> omp342: yes
[11:57] <arphetic> How do I close the xserver?
[11:57] <laxise> I have got errors from fdisk, however, I think if it runs correctly (fdisk) then you should be just fine
[11:57] <setite> no thats not it
[11:57] <liable> omp342: yeah, should work no problems.
[11:57] <omp342> ok
[11:58] <omp342> would it be possible to read files from my windows (ntfs) partition in ubuntu?
[11:58] <laxise> read yes
[11:58] <clem_yeats> omp342: yes, definitely
[11:58] <omp342> okay
[11:58] <laxise> there could be problems if you have special chars outside English language
[11:59] <setite> omp342: of course
[11:59] <setite> !ntfs
[11:59] <setite> ubotu dont pm me
[11:59] <ubotu> setite: Bugger all, i dunno
[11:59] <laxise> you would have to specify the char set you want it to mount with
[11:59] <laxise> otherwise everything should be just fine
[11:59] <laxise> reading is safe
[11:59] <setite> !automaticallymountntfspartitions
[11:59] <ubotu> Not a clue, setite
[11:59] <setite> read your links ubotu
[12:00] <bina> hi, how to i reconfigure X :)
[12:00] <bina> dpkg something
[12:00] <bina> not sure what the package is called
[12:00] <DukGalNamu> clem_yeats: not true, there could be minor errors in the cpu taht are caused by overheating that only show up every millionth calculation...
[12:00] <laxise> there is even a project, dont' remember the name now, but it uses windows ntfs.dll library to make it totally writable & readable in linux but it is not trivial to do so
[12:00] <DukGalNamu> clem_yeats: i forget what it is called, but bits get lost in the silicon or jump wires and screw things up
[12:01] <DukGalNamu> clem_yeats: the hotter the cpu the more likely it is of happening, and once it happens.... its gone
[12:02] <clem_yeats> dukGalNamu: well I wouldn't be too worried about that.
[12:02] <setite> heres a weird thing
[12:03] <clem_yeats> dukGalNamu: does your system freeze ?
[12:03] <DukGalNamu> clem_yeats: no just the browser
[12:03] <setite> i remember a program that made you actually read the agreement at the beginning of the installer... it counted how long you could see each line
[12:03] <omp342> btw, is it easy to get wine running on ubuntu?
[12:03] <DukGalNamu> clem_yeats: and i tired opera also, it freezes too
[12:03] <Angel-SL> omp342: yes
[12:03] <Angel-SL> apt-get it
[12:03] <clem_yeats> dukGalNamu: when firefox crashes, does the window simply disappears ?
[12:03] <michele> !tell laxise about captive
[12:03] <DukGalNamu> clem_yeats: nope, it just freezes and thinks its loading something
[12:04] <omp342> okay, cause counter-strike: source is an important part of my life :D
[12:04] <setite> can you believe gmail wont let my use the password i want
[12:04] <Angel-SL> !tell omp342 about wine
[12:04] <clem_yeats> dukGalNamu: does the display in the window refreshes ?
[12:04] <catfox> ooh, i see breezy has a boot splash :) anyone have a screenshot?
[12:04] <DukGalNamu> clem_yeats: no
[12:04] <setite> because its common.. the nerve... the NOIVE!
[12:04] <DukGalNamu> clem_yeats: when i roll it up and bring it back down it is see through
[12:04] <fluffybunny_> lol
[12:04] <laxise> michele: thx
[12:05] <omp342> ok, i'm off to sleep. once i wake up i can start installing ubuntu :D
[12:05] <clem_yeats> dukGalNamu: see, if your CPU fried the way you said, this would alter calculation regardless of the process... and things would go weird a bit everywhere rather than simply for firefox.
[12:05] <laxise> couldn't it was longer time I played with it
[12:05] <kemik> setite: well, that's just common security praxis
[12:05] <DukGalNamu> clem_yeats: opera also experiences this problem
[12:05] <kemik> setite: password "hello" wouldnt be a great choice ;)
[12:05] <DukGalNamu> clem_yeats: you know what?
[12:05] <hussam> what's the latest news on breezy? is it stablizing?
[12:05] <clem_yeats> dukGalNamu: it must be something to do with something they share then.
[12:06] <DukGalNamu> clem_yeats: i sould probably go for a ful system update....
[12:06] <clem_yeats> dukGalNamu: is Opera using the java plugin as well ?
[12:06] <DukGalNamu> clem_yeats: not possible cause i just deleted the plugin...
[12:06] <setite> 'http://gmail-is-too-creepy.com/
[12:07] <arphetic> www.google-watch.com
[12:07] <DukGalNamu> clem_yeats: i will go for full system update...
[12:07] <kemik> tssk
[12:07] <Frafra> hi all
[12:07] <arphetic> www.google-watch-watch.com
[12:07] <arphetic> :/
[12:07] <Angel-SL> !tell setite about spam
[12:07] <setite> kemik: no app has ever done that... they will tell me its no good... but thats all
[12:07] <kemik> setite: i find gmail much better than the other web.mail solutiosn (yahoo, hotmail)
[12:07] <Angel-SL> :/
[12:07] <setite> hey im just trying to show the things i read
[12:07] <Frafra> if I upgrade from hoary to breezy, X will works or I must edit something? exist a guide?
[12:07] <kemik> setite: try setting your ubuntu pass to "hello" ?
[12:07] <kemik> setite: oh, it was an actual url :)
[12:08] <setite> i use the several accounts that come with my ISP... free email is not necessary for me
[12:08] <setite> yea its a real site
[12:08] <kemik> i've got 4 emails that i use... 2webmails and 2 "real" accounts
[12:08] <DukGalNamu> clem_yeats: should i have alot of extra space after updateing a system??
[12:09] <DukGalNamu> clem_yeats: ohh, NM, i thought it was mb, it was kb
[12:10] <fluffybunny_> yeah, i have a hotmail spam account for surfing when you are obliged to register or enter you email at some sites
[12:10] <Heimdall> will there be the 2.6 version of wxwidgets on packages for ubuntu ?
[12:11] <setite> yay i have two gmails that ill never use
[12:11] <fluffybunny_> anyone know why I can't download the hoary-extras repository?
[12:11] <Seveas> yes
[12:11] <Seveas> but not for Hoary
[12:11] <Seveas> setite, want another 10? :)
[12:11] <Seveas> fluffybunny_, what's the error?
[12:11] <fluffybunny_> Failed to download
[12:11] <fluffybunny_> it downloaded all the rest
[12:12] <Seveas> try another mirror :)
[12:12] <fluffybunny_> address?
[12:12] <fluffybunny_> :)
[12:12] <fluffybunny_> please (sorry, bad manners)
[12:12] <kemik> setite: hmm, that page brings up some serious stuff
[12:12] <Seveas> They can be found at backports/ubuntuforums.org
[12:12] <fluffybunny_> Seveas: thanks
[12:13] <setite> yea
[12:13] <setite> whoa email is not a protected communication anymore?
[12:13] <Seveas> never was
[12:13] <FLeiXiuS> setite: Take your rant elsewhere please
[12:13] <Seveas> unless you gpg-encrypt all :)
[12:14] <setite> rant eh... thats an odd interpretation...
[12:14] <Seveas> quite (unless I missed a bit)
[12:14] <DukGalNamu> !gdb
[12:14] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, DukGalNamu
[12:14] <DukGalNamu> ...
[12:15] <DukGalNamu> what is gdb?
[12:15] <Seveas> it's a debugger
[12:15] <guillem> I've some trouble with my DVD-RAM, it is slower than I expected
[12:15] <DukGalNamu> ahh
[12:15] <guillem> And thant it should be
[12:15] <Seveas> If you don't know how to use it and have no imminent need to: don't try it
[12:15] <Seveas> it's horrible to use
[12:15] <setite> why doesnt this room kick inactive people
[12:15] <Seveas> guillem, dma turned on?
[12:15] <DukGalNamu> dvd-ram?
[12:15] <guillem> Seveas, how do I turn it on?
[12:16] <Seveas> hdparm -d1 /dev/YOUR_DRIVE
[12:16] <Ng> !dma
[12:16] <guillem> DukGalNamu, a very nice DVD type
[12:16] <guillem> Ng ????
[12:16] <eliphas_> i don't speak much but i read a lot
[12:16] <Ng> guillem: type what I just did, a bot will msg you some details
[12:16] <Ng> I thought it was going to say it here, but obviously not ;)
[12:16] <Seveas> !tell guillem about dma
[12:16] <guillem> !dma
[12:16] <Ng> although I do dislike such bots because they always have terrible wording ;)
[12:16] <Ng> "dma is like totally" for example
[12:17] <Seveas> hehe
[12:17] <kemik> setite: why should it kick inactive ppl ?? what would be the use?
[12:17] <Ng> that looks like a 12 year old wrote it ;(
[12:17] <DukGalNamu> 12yr old vally girl....
[12:17] <guillem> Ng, I still don't get it. sorry. I don't understand the ! thing at all...
[12:17] <Seveas> guillem, ubotu just told you something about dma
[12:17] <DukGalNamu> guillem: it is something bots look for
[12:18] <Seveas> that's what the ! thing causes
[12:18] <setite> kemik: im used to seeing it... its better for the server... i mean like people who leave their pc on for days
[12:18] <DukGalNamu> guillem: when they see that they respond
[12:18] <guillem> Seveas, can I have the drive mounted or do I have to umount, hdparm and mount again?
[12:18] <Seveas> setite, that's nonsense...
[12:18] <guillem> bash: !dma: event not found
[12:18] <Seveas> guillem, hehe, !dma is for in this channel
[12:18] <setite> hey i tried to do a /list and couldnt because the server is overloaded
[12:19] <Seveas> hdparm -d1 /dev/YOUR_DRIV is for in bash
[12:19] <DukGalNamu> yeah!!! xine update
[12:19] <Seveas> and it can be done while mounted
[12:19] <guillem> Seveas, HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[12:20] <guillem> \!dma
[12:20] <Seveas> guillem, sudo hdparm
[12:20] <Seveas> it needs root privileges
[12:20] <guillem> Seveas, I did sudo...
[12:20] <DukGalNamu> ,hooray
[12:20] <DukGalNamu> ohh'
[12:21] <DukGalNamu> !hooray
[12:21] <ubotu> DukGalNamu: Are you on ritalin?
[12:21] <kirky2> \o/
[12:21] <DukGalNamu> hehe
[12:21] <DukGalNamu> i need to change it
[12:22] <guillem> Ng, at last I understood the ! thing, thanks
[12:23] <Ng> guillem: sorry, it's not very clear/simple ;)
[12:23] <guillem> Seveas, my drive refuses changing the DMA
[12:25] <setite> so this skype is free calling?
[12:25] <rob^> yep
[12:26] <DukGalNamu> ,hooray
[12:26] <selinium> setite: pc to pc yes
[12:26] <kirky2> \o/
[12:26] <setite> no sh**? i thought that sutff died
[12:26] <DukGalNamu> yeah
[12:26] <setite> oh.. pc to pc
[12:26] <setite> ok
[12:26] <setite> i miss that pc to phone thing
[12:26] <setite> it was prank call heaven
[12:26] <DukGalNamu> ,lick setite
[12:26] <kirky2> ACTION licks setite
[12:26] <selinium> setite: you can pay for pc to phone, at a much reduced rate. From british costs anyway
[12:26] <setite> man that was a while ago
[12:26] <DukGalNamu> ...
[12:27] <setite> yea well i was young... it was free.. and they didnt know it was me
[12:27] <setite> i tortured my evil principal
[12:27] <DukGalNamu> ,slap setite
[12:27] <setite> dont lick me.. wtf
[12:27] <kirky2> ACTION slaps setite
[12:27] <DukGalNamu> there
[12:27] <DukGalNamu> muhahahahaha
[12:27] <DukGalNamu> its not working actually
[12:28] <rob^> kirky2, stop doing that it looks ugly
[12:28] <redguy> something's wrong with that bot
[12:28] <DukGalNamu> there should be more
[12:28] <selinium> setite: you can also pay for an incoming telephone number. Allowing you to have the same telephone number, no matter where you are in the world.
[12:28] <DukGalNamu> ,pee setite
[12:28] <kirky2> ACTION walks up behind setite
[12:28] <guillem> Seveas, btw, hdparm -i tells me the drive is using udma2, is that enough?
[12:28] <setite> selinium: yea i know abotu all that stuff... but free is free
[12:28] <DukGalNamu> see
[12:28] <setite> .kick DukGalNamu
[12:28] <selinium> setite: :)
[12:28] <setite> lame bot
[12:28] <DukGalNamu> lol
[12:29] <DukGalNamu> ,kirk
[12:29] <kirky2> KHAAAAAAAAN!!!!
[12:29] <Ng> guillem: should be
[12:29] <DukGalNamu> ,2101
[12:29] <kirky2> sombody set up us the bomb
[12:29] <DukGalNamu> :P
[12:30] <DukGalNamu> ,bye
[12:30] <kirky2> DukGalNamu: may God be with you!
[12:31] <fluffybunny_> need some help with the ubuntu gui file browser - how can I view a folder tree, like in windows, when browsing my files
[12:32] <icewt> fluffybunny_, view -> side pane, select "tree" from the list
[12:32] <setite> oh there is audacity for linux?
[12:32] <setite> nice
[12:32] <setite> i love audacity.. great free app for phone ringtones
[12:33] <fluffybunny_> icewt: thanks!
[12:33] <setite> thats it... i need thunderbird... these email apps stink
[12:33] <kemik> setite: evolution ?
[12:33] <Ng> setite: audacity for linux is a multi-track sequencer, nothing to do with ringtones ;)
[12:34] <Ng> http://audacity.sourceforge.net/
[12:34] <Ng> ehh, not a sequencer, a sound editor
[12:36] <guillem> Ng, it is really extrange... the performance depends heavily on the filesystem type. If I use udf and I mount it with sync,noatime, I get a soo-poor performance of 65Kb/s meanwhile if I use reiserfs, with sync,nolog,noatime I get a performance of 1.9Mb/s
[12:37] <setite> Ng: au contrair frerer.. it is the perfect app for shrinking a audio clip... making it mono and the right freq for a ringtone
[12:37] <Ng> setite: bah, you kids and your mp3 ringtones ;)
[12:37] <setite> kemik: ill give evolution one last look... but i recall not liking it.. and im not liking contact much either...
[12:38] <Sonderblade> why does the zope package want to install python2.2 and zope2.7 wants python2.3 but i want zope with python2.4
[12:38] <setite> Ng: .wav but yea... i like them because it allows my tones to be customized.. but more than that i make them loud enough that i can hear them
[12:38] <azriel0184> setite: have you tried outlook or telnet?
[12:38] <azriel0184> ;)
[12:39] <guillem> Ng, I had seen that weirdness with my usb-stick (which I have formatted as reiserfs for that reason)- I thought it was something related to my old laptop... but now I see that it is something more general :-((
[12:39] <setite> azriel0184: you really ARE the devil.. shame on you
[12:39] <azriel0184> heh, they are almost as bad as each other...
[12:39] <Ng> guillem: pretty strange. it might be worth investigating the IDE chipset you have, maybe you're using a generic kernel IDE driver and there could be a more suitable one. laptops tend to be a bit weird ;)
[12:40] <teleyinex> why i cant install vim-python in hoary?
[12:40] <antoine_> Hi All ^^
[12:40] <guillem> Ng, is there any reason that reiserfs behaves better? junksize of reads/writes or something like that?
[12:40] <antoine_> Wine CVS version return me "Could not load wineserver" is that for you ?
[12:40] <Raskall> how can I find out which drivers ubuntu use for hardware and the source for them? A friend has an Atmel (actually 3com) wifi pcmcia card that works plug and play in breezy with kernel 2.6.12. But he is a Fedora (core 4) user and I am unable to find drivers that will compile on fc4
[12:40] <Ng> guillem: reiser is a pretty good fs
[12:41] <setite> someone who is against ubuntuguide let me know why...
[12:41] <guillem> Ng, I've seen that mounting as udf but without sync, behaves better: umounting time at async is much lower than copy time for the sync case
[12:41] <rob^> setite, it is a bunch of instructions without explinations
[12:41] <volvoguy> hey all. i just booted up my Toshiba laptop with the colony 3 live cd to see what works without the hard drive issues in the picture. surprisingly my wireless stuff all works, x starts up and i can move the cursor with the trackpad, and i hear the login chime. unfortunately except for the cursor, the screen is black and i can't switch to another console. i thought i'd seen this issue somewhere but i can't find anything now. any
[12:41] <volvoguy> body have any hints?
[12:41] <waxhead> hey everyone
[12:41] <setite> yea whats wrong with that...
[12:41] <rob^> setite, all of it unofficial, untested
[12:42] <Ng> guillem: I'm not sure about udf, I've only used it on DVDs and the drive is the limiting factor there ;)
[12:42] <setite> ok... unofficial...
[12:42] <setite> any reports of breakage?
[12:42] <rob^> many
[12:42] <zkimel> any Galeon users here?
[12:42] <rob^> a fully tested, open and official FAQ Guide will be released with Breezy
[12:43] <setite> good
[12:43] <setite> because the ubuntu wiki has broken my ubuntu more than the ubuntuguide
[12:43] <rob^> yes
[12:43] <setite> trying to get my mouse working broke my ubuntu beyond repair
[12:43] <rob^> the new one is based of ubuntuguide
[12:44] <rob^> but it will be heaps better
[12:44] <setite> well all i can think to make it better would be updating... and adding more to it
[12:44] <setite> it needs to be a full guide
[12:45] <rob^> setite, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects
[12:45] <setite> sure.....
[12:45] <guillem> Ng, this is out of filesystem performance issues, this is something related to how data is transferred... I've just checked that udf behaves simmilar to reiserfs when udf is mounted async.
[12:46] <guillem> Ng, I will have to check it with my usbstick...
[12:46] <Ng> guillem: well async delays writes, so the write speed you are being told is probably not true ;)
[12:46] <Ng> and usbsticks are generally best mounted sync
[12:46] <Ng> so you can unplug them at any time and not have to care about writeback cache
[12:46] <guillem> Ng, I'm computing the time of umounting the drive after a large file copied
[12:46] <setite> hey how do i run tuxracer without restarting
[12:47] <guillem> Ng, I know that issue... but I can live with it
[12:47] <rob^> setite, open a terminal, type "tuxracer"
[12:47] <guillem> Ng, sudo mount -t udf -o noatime /dev/hda/ /media/dvdram/
[12:47] <guillem> Ng, time cp LargeFile /media/dvdram/tmp/.; sudo time umount /media/dvdram/
[12:47] <setite> ok... how do i get it to run in a window
[12:48] <setite> it ran fullscreen.. with black all over
[12:48] <rob^> setite, there might be an option within the program, do you have 3d drivers installed for your graphics card?
[12:48] <guillem> Ng this gives about 18sec vs. 17sec at sync reiserfs... I'm going to check reiserfs async...
[12:49] <michele> rob^, why is the faq guide referring to vim as a text editor?
[12:49] <setite> yes i do
[12:50] <rob^> michele, don't use it yet, its still just a preview
[12:50] <setite> michele: just use nano....
[12:50] <setite> or gedit...
[12:50] <setite> vim is evil
[12:50] <michele> setite, I know what to use. Just asking
[12:50] <Ng> setite: !
[12:50] <Ng> vim > *
[12:50] <rob^> it will be gedit for ubuntu
[12:50] <guillem> Ng, reiserfs behaves simmilarly mounted sync or async...
[12:50] <roj> heya kids...
[12:50] <asparagus> I have installed Mac OSX after install ubuntu on my powerbook and now it keeps booting to OSX...whad do i need to modify to be able to choose what OS to use
[12:50] <Ng> guillem: in theory I would expect sync/async to end up taking about the same for the operation you are testing
[12:51] <guillem> Ng, Thats true! that is what I'm investigating...
[12:51] <guillem> Ng, I recall my old RH7.3 box working OK with my usbstick with other filesystem rather than reiserfs (ext2)
[12:52] <guillem> Ng, I thought it was a hardware problem but now I see that it is something related to ubuntu. Maybe the kernel, ...
[12:52] <roj> i have just finished mucking around with the live cd i got in the mail today... and im ready to install on my pc... i've got a spare 20gig hd so im gunna go onto that... can anyone tell me what the likelyhood of killing my winxp install with installing ubuntu?!?
[12:52] <Ng> guillem: bizarre. might be worth filing a bug or talking to some ubuntu developers
[12:52] <rob^> roj, you have the power
[12:52] <roj> sweet... :)
[12:53] <guillem> Ng, how can I do that?
[12:53] <rob^> roj, just don't format the ntfs drive and all will be good
[12:53] <volvoguy> asparagus, i haven't tried this on my mac yet, but i assume the x86 method would work. just boot up the install disk and go through to the bootloader stage (without modifying your disks of course).
[12:53] <Ng> guillem: to file a bug go to bugzilla.ubuntu.com, to talk to developers I think there's a #ubuntu-devel, if not there's the ubuntu-devel mailing list
[12:53] <roj> rob^ : nice... any other little tips on the install?!?
[12:53] <guillem> Ng, I really want to see this solved... Thanks for your help and support.
[12:53] <rob^> !dualboot
[12:53] <ubotu> I guess dualboot is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[12:54] <rob^> roj, check out what ubotu said
[12:54] <roj> cool :)
[12:54] <Ng> guillem: no probs, good luck :)
[12:55] <rob^> roj, if you already have the free unpartitioned space for ubuntu you should find it easy enough
[12:55] <roj> i wanna put it on a sep 20gig...
[12:55] <volvoguy> i'll check back with my issue later when i'm not falling asleep at my keyboard. later all.
[12:56] <roj> ahh yea, i get whatcha mean...
[12:57] <roj> cheers for that rob... fingers crossed ill be back here shortly on the light side of the force...
[01:00] <asparagus> I have installed Mac OSX after install ubuntu on my powerbook and now it keeps booting to OSX...whad do i need to modify to be able to choose what OS to use
[01:01] <kemik> !grub
[01:01] <ubotu> somebody said grub was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[01:01] <kemik> dont know if the same applies to osx ;)
[01:03] <michele> asparagus, change your startup volume from system preferences
[01:03] <asparagus> michele, in osx?
[01:03] <michele> asparagus, set it to your ubuntu volume and you'll see the yaboot boot screen
[01:03] <michele> asparagus, yes
[01:04] <asparagus> michele, i dont think i can see that startup volume from osx
[01:04] <michele> asparagus, or you could boot your system with the option key pressed and it will ask you
[01:04] <michele> asparagus, try with the option key. if that work, you'll see that from osx too
[01:04] <asparagus> michele, i want the system to default on yaboot
[01:04] <asparagus> just press "o" at startup?
[01:05] <michele> go and verify then
[01:05] <michele> option
[01:05] <michele> alt
[01:05] <michele> press 'option', power on the mac and keep the key pressed until a blue screen with buttons appears
[01:07] <Heimdall> is this possible to change the font size in emacs ?
[01:07] <Heimdall> mine is too big
[01:07] <kameron> so.. i guess i'll ask this question again. i installed the AMD64 version of 5.04, and installed the bootloader at the MBR of the first drive, with the os on the primary slave, windows is at primary master. when it boots, i get a grub prompt, and all them commands i can type in don't do jack. i can't boot to an os. since, i have reinstalled the windows bootloader. can i now fix the grub bootloader, by installing it again, or can i put l
[01:08] <asparagus> michele, i only get one button..the partition with osx
[01:08] <rob^> Heimdall, "killall emacs" then "vim"
[01:09] <Heimdall> raaah rob^
[01:09] <Heimdall> this is not a solution :)
[01:09] <michele> asparagus, I guess you don't have yaboot installed, then
[01:09] <rob^> Heimdall, works for me :P
[01:09] <Heimdall> haha :)
[01:09] <michele> !start an editor war
[01:09] <ubotu> kwrite is better than emacs
[01:09] <Heimdall> yeah great, glad for you ;-)
[01:09] <asparagus> hmm i had it when i i had ubuntu
[01:09] <paines> Heimdall, you can modifey .Xressources
[01:09] <paines> Heimdall, which would result in diffrent fots in emacs
[01:10] <Heimdall> paines, .Xressources ?
[01:10] <asparagus> michele, is it not a screen that asked me to choose if i wanted to boot from drive or cd
[01:10] <Heimdall> where is it
[01:10] <paines> Heimdall, http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Euro-Char-Support.html step 5+6
[01:12] <Heimdall> paines, euro support ????
[01:12] <paines> Heimdall, step 6
[01:12] <Heimdall> yeah
[01:13] <owtput> hi guys, have any of you compiled (via jhbuilder) gnome 2.12?
[01:13] <Heimdall> set face font
[01:13] <Heimdall> do I have to type this in the minibuffer ?
[01:13] <paines> Heimdall, no in them ~/.emacs file
[01:13] <paines> -m
[01:13] <owtput> +muted
[01:14] <miketech> Hi
[01:15] <clem_yeats> hi
[01:15] <miketech> is xinerama compiled in xorg?
[01:15] <clem_yeats> it's a separate product miketech I think
[01:15] <miketech> hm?
[01:16] <miketech> i have to compile it separately?
[01:16] <clem_yeats> I think so yes
[01:16] <miketech> ohh
[01:16] <miketech> this could be the reason *g*
[01:16] <miketech> since 5 days i try to get xorg working with 2 screens
[01:16] <clem_yeats> I'm not sure..
[01:16] <clem_yeats> I'm not sure at all actually
[01:17] <miketech> :) oki
[01:18] <miketech> i will try it again
[01:20] <Heimdall> thx paines it works
[01:20] <paines> Heimdall, nice.NP
[01:22] <hansi_xp> hello
[01:22] <clem_yeats> hello
[01:22] <hansi_xp> i need help, i'm trying to install java in linux and i installed a bin file, what is that?
[01:23] <clem_yeats> binary file
[01:23] <clem_yeats> copy it in /opt
[01:23] <michele> miketech, xinerama is in xorg
[01:23] <hansi_xp> sorry, i mean i can't install it
[01:23] <clem_yeats> go in /opt
[01:23] <michele> mikelds, I'm using it right now
[01:23] <thoreauputic> !java
[01:23] <ubotu> java is probably to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[01:23] <clem_yeats> hansi_xp : just run the file : ./myfile.bin
[01:23] <kameron> so.. i guess i'll ask this question again. i installed the AMD64 version of 5.04, and installed the bootloader at the MBR of the first drive, with the os on the primary slave, windows is at primary master. when it boots, i get a grub prompt, and all them commands i can type in don't do jack. i can't boot to an os. since, i have reinstalled the windows bootloader. can i now fix the grub bootloader, by installing it again, or can i put l
[01:24] <michele> miketech, my xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/339342
[01:24] <clem_yeats> hansi_xp : eventually set the permissions for execution.. chmod a+x myfile.bin
[01:24] <hansi_xp> i tried to run the file double click on it, or type in bash but it says permision denied
[01:24] <clem_yeats> change the permission then : chmod a+x file.bin
[01:24] <nightswim> set the executable bit
[01:25] <michele> hansi_xp, there's a java howto in the wiki
[01:25] <michele> !java
[01:25] <ubotu> from memory, java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[01:25] <clem_yeats> then run it from the shell.
[01:25] <thoreauputic> clem_yeats: he wants too install java - ubotu's link will tell him how
[01:25] <michele> don't install that bin
[01:25] <hansi_xp> okay thanks dudes, i'll go read a bit.
[01:25] <clem_yeats> well, if I can help him here why shouldn't I ?
[01:26] <clem_yeats> one can always read docs...
[01:26] <thoreauputic> clem_yeats: becuse installing java is trivially eay once you read that link
[01:26] <thoreauputic> *easy
[01:27] <clem_yeats> hmm I'm not quite sure.
[01:28] <clem_yeats> this affects your firefox plugin.
[01:28] <duality_> hi! I want to play my mp3s with xmms. So I've installed xmms and also mikmod (cause I have nVidia card), first following instructions at ubuntuguide.org and then at ubuntu's wiki FAQ. But when I run an mp3 with xmms (or some other player), it becomes unresponsive...
[01:28] <duality_> but it used to work before (with some other player)
[01:28] <wickedpuppy> !xmms-mp3
[01:28] <ubotu> wickedpuppy: I don't know
[01:28] <wickedpuppy> !mp3
[01:28] <ubotu> I heard mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[01:29] <thoreauputic> duality set the output plugin in xmms to easound
[01:29] <duality_> I did that already
[01:29] <thoreauputic> *esound
[01:29] <Trauerweide> is here an German Channel too ?
[01:29] <duality_> when I installed the multimedia codecs it was a problem with a few
[01:29] <chris__> Trauerweide, #ubuntu-de
[01:29] <duality_> thoreauputic: how do I do that?
[01:30] <thoreauputic> Trauerweide: #ubuntu-de
[01:30] <Trauerweide> thx !
[01:30] <thoreauputic> duality_: options - preferences -
[01:30] <duality_> ok, got it
[01:30] <duality_> gonna try it now
[01:31] <thoreauputic> k
[01:31] <duality_> yey, it works! :)
[01:31] <thoreauputic> :)
[01:31] <duality_> why did I have to change it to this?
[01:32] <thoreauputic> gnome uses esd to channel the sound to your sound device
[01:32] <thoreauputic> ie. esound
[01:32] <srijith> thoreauputic: have u used mp3blaster urself?
[01:32] <duality_> and is it legal for xmms to have suuuch a similar interface as winamp?
[01:32] <thoreauputic> srijith: yes a bit - I prefer cplay :)
[01:33] <wickedpuppy> duality_, why not ? the interface isn't copyrighted
[01:33] <thoreauputic> duality_: yes - xmms has been around for years and no-one has sued ;-)
[01:33] <duality_> ok, cool :)
[01:33] <wickedpuppy> if they call it linamp ... they might be in trouble though
[01:33] <thoreauputic> srijith: problems?
[01:33] <clem_yeats> there was a "linamp" wasn't there ?
[01:34] <wickedpuppy> there was ?
[01:34] <thoreauputic> :)
[01:35] <PAK_013> i need some info on instaling ubuntu on ibook G3 tangerine... if somebody can help me... private please... thanks
[01:35] <iiiears> Hello!
[01:35] <thoreauputic> bonjour!
[01:36] <srijith> thoreauputic: how do I get mp3blaster to play files one after the other. I have added them to the playlist but the damn thing stops after each song and I need to tell it to play the next
[01:36] <iiiears> thoreauputic - reading that Microsoft's Genuine Advantage app is tuned to look for virtual machines and not patch/upgrade them.
[01:36] <thoreauputic> srijith: yeah I gave up on mp3blaster for that very reason - couldn't be bothered learning the silly interface
[01:37] <srijith> thoreauputic: not that cplay's interface is that great ;)
[01:37] <thoreauputic> srijith: so.. I don't know really
[01:37] <thoreauputic> srijith: heheh - at least it works
[01:37] <rob^> iiiears, its not too sucessful apparently
[01:37] <thoreauputic> srijith: type "h" for help!
[01:37] <hussam> anybody here on breezy? I have a question
[01:38] <srijith> thoreauputic: how do I get the playlist view in cplay, for instance?
[01:38] <srijith> thoreauputic: will do that :)
[01:38] <thoreauputic> srijith: I do cplay @ /path/to/music
[01:38] <iiiears> rob^ - web fable or truth also saw a somone claiming to be able to fetch updates for his Wine installation. - lol
[01:39] <rob^> iiiears, I'm sure I read something on /. the other day
[01:39] <BollocksMacenzie> Anyone know how the hotplug system works for PCMCIA...
[01:40] <wickedpuppy> BollocksMacenzie, my laptop can read my wireless card fine ... yours got problem ?
[01:40] <srijith> thoreauputic: thanks for the hand holding! appreciate it..
[01:40] <thoreauputic> srijith: no problem at all :)
[01:41] <MAPD> hi
[01:41] <BollocksMacenzie> wickedpuppy: No it's not that, I just wanted to customise the script so it changes the firewall, network monitor and turns off the eth when the wi-fi card is inserted!
[01:41] <thoreauputic> srijith: BTW I meant type "h" after you open cplay - the -h flag tells you almost nothing
[01:41] <MAPD> i have a few questions please
[01:41] <srijith> thoreauputic: yup, got that..
[01:41] <azriel0184> does ubuntu have software raid support?
[01:42] <clem_yeats> go on MAPD
[01:42] <MAPD> first when i installed linux it didnt ask to make a password for root user is that normal?
[01:42] <clem_yeats> yes MAPD, there is no root user in Ubuntu
[01:42] <MAPD> hum
[01:42] <thoreauputic> srijith: I wish I could work mp2blaster out properly - it seems quite powerful but I just found it frustrating (laziness i guess)
[01:42] <clem_yeats> MAPD : instead, you as a user can use sudo to do sysadmin stuff.
[01:42] <MAPD> but i opened thre console
[01:43] <MAPD> as root
[01:43] <thoreauputic> *mp3blaster
[01:43] <MAPD> and i changed root password
[01:43] <MAPD> did i act wrong?
[01:43] <wickedpuppy> no
[01:43] <wickedpuppy> you did nothing wrong
[01:43] <clem_yeats> MAPD: no it doesn't really matter.
[01:43] <MAPD> oki
[01:43] <MAPD> thank you
[01:43] <clem_yeats> MAPD: no problem
[01:43] <MAPD> my other question is
[01:43] <wickedpuppy> but use sudo for admin stuff :P instead of root shell
[01:44] <MAPD> i have download limits and i cant do updates normally as you do
[01:44] <MAPD> so i need to change synaptics and apt-get mirrors
[01:44] <MAPD> how do i do that?
[01:44] <hansi_xp> thanks clem_yeats. that chmod a+x myfile.bin worked good. where can i learn that sought of stuff
[01:44] <thoreauputic> !repos
[01:44] <ubotu> well, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[01:45] <clem_yeats> MAPD: http://ubuntuguide.org/#repositories
[01:45] <BollocksMacenzie> Does anyone know what hotplug file would be called when my Ra2500 based wi-fi card is inserted?
[01:45] <thoreauputic> !synaptic
[01:45] <ubotu> synaptic is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[01:45] <clem_yeats> hansi_xp: what sort of stuff ?
[01:45] <clem_yeats> hansi_xp: unix commands ?
[01:45] <hansi_xp> general linux how to stuff. i don't know jack.
[01:45] <hansi_xp> like what makes something an executable
[01:46] <clem_yeats> hansi_xp: oh I love that game... anyway. Hum.. well.. buy a book about Unix.
[01:46] <wickedpuppy> hansi_xp, get a book from your local lib ?
[01:46] <wickedpuppy> that would be a start
[01:46] <MAPD> can i use a portuguese mirror for all?
[01:46] <roj> i've just installed 5.04 with lilo and on reboot, it just went straight to winxp without any lilo interaction... any ideas as to what I have done wrong or missed?!?
[01:46] <thoreauputic> hansi_xp: you can start at http://tuxfiles.org
[01:46] <hansi_xp> i got a Sams teach yourself linux book, it sucks
[01:46] <mwest> hansi_xp: also check http://www.tldp.org/ and http://learnlinux.tsf.org.za/
[01:46] <wickedpuppy> hansi_xp, clearly there are many books out there
[01:46] <fluffybunny_> also, many linux books (eg linux for dummies) on emule
[01:47] <hansi_xp> i like linux though
[01:47] <thoreauputic> hansi_xp: tuxfiles is pretty newb friendly- give it a look
[01:47] <MAPD> clem_yeats, can i use a portuguese mirror for all?
[01:47] <mwest> hansi_xp: otherwise install something like "xman" and peruse all the man pages :-)
[01:47] <hansi_xp> thanks dudes
[01:47] <clem_yeats> hansi_xp : otherwise just look at google for "linux commands" or "unix commands".
[01:47] <wickedpuppy> !mirrors
[01:47] <ubotu> wickedpuppy: I don't know, could you explain it?
[01:47] <wickedpuppy> hmms ...
[01:47] <clem_yeats> nwest: :)
[01:47] <wickedpuppy> MAPD, i would say yes...but i don't know how to change mirrors
[01:47] <MAPD> oh
[01:48] <MAPD> i have problems of downloads
[01:48] <wickedpuppy> oh hmms .. what errors?
[01:48] <MAPD> im going to join the portuguese network and ask to the community
[01:48] <dabar> you guys know how to set up a firewall to be totally open? i dont want it to do anythinge except allow ip sharing
[01:48] <thoreauputic> MAPD: usually the country code is in the url before "archive" - like au.archive or pt.archive
[01:48] <vaina> salut
[01:48] <clem_yeats> dabar: just get rid of the firewall altogether then :)
[01:48] <dabar> salut!
[01:49] <clem_yeats> salut
[01:49] <dabar> I need it I think for IC sharing.
[01:49] <clem_yeats> IC ???
[01:49] <dabar> Ill try removing it I guess, see if IC sharing works then
[01:49] <duality_> if I want to run windows programs on linux, should I go for win4lin?
[01:49] <dabar> Internet connction
[01:49] <wickedpuppy> what is IC ?
[01:49] <clem_yeats> oh, no you don't
[01:49] <dabar> !windows
[01:49] <ubotu> windows is, like, Everything runs in linux. Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office, or find an !alternative
[01:49] <MAPD> oops
[01:49] <MAPD> closed by mistake
[01:50] <clem_yeats> duality_ : try wine first.
[01:50] <duality_> hmmm... so which should I choose?
[01:50] <dabar> MAPD: you cant copme here more than once!...you were here already...
[01:50] <wickedpuppy> duality_, wine is free
[01:50] <duality_> what's it for?
[01:50] <dabar> heh
[01:50] <dabar> dued...windows emulating.
[01:50] <MAPD> yes i know
[01:50] <clem_yeats> dabar: you don't need the firewall for "IC"
[01:50] <wickedpuppy> i thought thats what you asked for duality_
[01:50] <zAo^> wine is not an emulator... :D
[01:50] <dabar> obviously...to run windows programsw...you asked for that...
[01:50] <MAPD> but i closed by mistake
[01:50] <dabar> really?
[01:50] <duality_> yeah, I know... but I guess that they are for different things
[01:51] <dabar> Il try now and tell you.
[01:51] <wickedpuppy> ? diferent things?
[01:51] <duality_> like crossover Office
[01:51] <dabar> duality_: good.
[01:51] <dabar> you passed the test/.
[01:51] <dabar> bah
[01:51] <duality_> probably isn't for all programs
[01:51] <decaf> wine tries to be an emulator
[01:51] <clem_yeats> dabar: you need to set the network with a gateway.
[01:51] <wickedpuppy> duality_, then pls tell us what program you want to emulate ? so we can suggest one for you ?
[01:51] <duality_> but when I read the ubuntuguide.org it said to try win4lin
[01:51] <dabar> Ill tell you now.
[01:51] <duality_> all sorts of programs
[01:51] <wickedpuppy> all sort ... get windows
[01:51] <wickedpuppy> i find it easier
[01:52] <duality_> I have windows
[01:52] <duality_> but I'm a linux noob and I want to sometimes run a windows program from within linux
[01:52] <thoreauputic> duality_: try to run native linux apps - it's better
[01:52] <dabar> duality_: try it.
[01:52] <duality_> is it possible to run games to?
[01:52] <wickedpuppy> duality_, for games try cedega
[01:52] <fluffybunny_> how do I turn on direct rendering
[01:52] <dabar> in the park, yes.
[01:53] <thoreauputic> duality_: cedega for games (windows games)
[01:53] <dabar> I like playing games in the park.
[01:53] <arphetic> MMM -> My screen is really shocky... ??
[01:53] <dabar> It is so much fun..
[01:53] <fluffybunny_> !direct rendering
[01:53] <ubotu> I don't know, fluffybunny_
[01:53] <fluffybunny_> :(
[01:54] <clem_yeats> fluffybunny: you mean DRI ?
[01:54] <clem_yeats> !dri
[01:54] <ubotu> clem_yeats: Are you on ritalin?
[01:54] <clem_yeats> lol
[01:54] <fluffybunny_> clem_yeats: yes
[01:54] <dabar> clem_yeats: in fact, you need the IP masquerading thing for an IC sharing.
[01:54] <fluffybunny_> !dri
[01:55] <MAPD> uuuuuuuuu
[01:55] <dabar> god my wrist is funked up.
[01:55] <clem_yeats> dabar: depends on your conf.
[01:55] <dabar> clem_yeats: how so?
[01:55] <clem_yeats> fluffybunny: in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:55] <arphetic> <- how do I shut down Xserver thingie to update drivers?
[01:55] <clem_yeats> fluffybunny: load glx
[01:55] <clem_yeats> fluffybunny: load dri
[01:55] <thoreauputic> arphetic: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[01:55] <clem_yeats> dabar: did you set the gateway ?
[01:56] <arphetic> thoreauputic: do i have to do that while in Xserver or while in terminal?
[01:56] <clem_yeats> dabar: can your computers ping each others ?
[01:56] <dabar> what gateway?
[01:56] <dabar> ya
[01:56] <dabar> nt get online tho. the other one..
[01:56] <azriel0184> does ubuntu have software raid support?
[01:56] <decaf> azriel0184: yes
[01:56] <clem_yeats> dabar: what's the IP of the one connected to the net ?
[01:56] <thoreauputic> arphetic: doesn't matter - but be aware it will kill the display immediately
[01:56] <MAPD> how can i do some changes on the hello screen?
[01:57] <arphetic> Will i get in terminal then thoreauputic ?
[01:57] <wickedpuppy> hello screen ?
[01:57] <wickedpuppy> arphetic, yes
[01:57] <fluffybunny_> clem_yeats: its already there
[01:57] <arphetic> k
[01:57] <thoreauputic> arphetic: you will get a tty - tty1 : black full screen
[01:57] <arphetic> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[01:57] <arphetic> to get in again?
[01:57] <azriel0184> !raid
[01:57] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, raid is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaidConfigurationHowto
[01:57] <clem_yeats> fluffybunny: hmm... there's a command to see if it works properly.. but that's all I know about it. I have dri deactivated on my machine.
[01:57] <fluffybunny_> clem_yeats: when I glxinfo, it tells me direct rendering: no
[01:58] <thoreauputic> arphetic: or "restart" yes
[01:58] <clem_yeats> I have to go..
[01:58] <clem_yeats> be back soon
[01:58] <fluffybunny_> clem_yeats: thanks
[01:58] <dabar> internaly, or externally? internally if you are looking for the gaterway setting, it is 192,168.0.1 and that is reflected on the Mac, in the router field, as is done on Macs. When I aptitude remove ipmasq, it dont work, when I aptitude install ipmasq, it do work:)...and...
[01:58] <BollocksMacenzie> Sorry, which hotplug file should I modify if I need to change the settings for a Rt2500 based wi-fi card?
[01:58] <fluffybunny_> !dri
[01:58] <ubotu> fluffybunny_: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[01:58] <arphetic> k ty
[01:58] <dabar> dri.sf.net fluffybunny_.
[01:59] <dabar> my Internet conenction is fairly slow today, I dunno if its the stupid firewall(I hate firewalls) or just the connection.
[01:59] <dabar> heh
[01:59] <oxez> how can I make my system use ISO-8859-1 as default instead as UTF-8?
[01:59] <decaf> fluffybunny_: what's your video card?
[01:59] <dabar> shouldve testted that too when I removed ipmasq
[01:59] <Octave_Octet> Hi, I need to know what solutions I have to support an iPod FAT32 on hoary (I read you either need a 2.6.12 kernel or to recompile the kernel with specific options)
[01:59] <dabar> hi ogra.
[01:59] <MAPD> wickedpuppy, i wanted to change stuff here :P
[01:59] <Octave_Octet> and I would prefer to avoid recompiling
[02:00] <dabar> Im just lagging anyhow, its not the fw...:/
[02:00] <fluffybunny_> decaf: 0000:01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon IGP 340M
[02:00] <MorphDK> Hey.. My Kopete won't connect to MSN.. It tells me that my password is wrong, but I know that it's the right one..
[02:01] <dabar> MorphDK: tried anyu other prog?
[02:01] <decaf> fluffybunny_: I asked because I installed dri support for my prosavage
[02:01] <Octave_Octet> MorphDK: You probably need to upgrade it
[02:01] <wickedpuppy> MorphDK, try gaim :P
[02:01] <wickedpuppy> !gaim
[02:01] <ubotu> methinks gaim is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GaimHowto/
[02:01] <Octave_Octet> MorphDK: A few months ago the authentication for MSN changed
[02:01] <wickedpuppy> i can log in to msn with gaim
[02:01] <dabar> wtf is there to know about howto on gaim...
[02:01] <dabar> I guess..
[02:01] <Octave_Octet> MorphDK: And Kopete had to be upgraded to support it
[02:02] <MorphDK> Oh I see..
[02:02] <dabar> where is the md5sums shown for hoary cds?
[02:02] <dabar> found it
[02:02] <dabar> se ya seveas.
[02:03] <MorphDK> ehm.. one more question.. when I try to run e.g. Samba Configuration in Kcontrol, and click on "Administrator Mode", the border turns red, but nothing happens.. It doesn't ask for a password
[02:04] <Vivaldi> what's the kernel version in ubuntu by default?
[02:04] <Octave_Octet> MorphDK: You should check in #kubuntu
[02:05] <thoreauputic> Vivaldi: 2.6.10 for Hoary
[02:05] <iiiears> 2.6.10-5 386 no?
[02:05] <thoreauputic> Vivaldi: type uname -r to see
[02:05] <davro> fluffybunny_, try glxinfo | egrep "glx (vendor|version)" if you see different vendor or versions for the client server this is your problem.
[02:05] <iiiears> uname -r
[02:05] <thoreauputic> iiiears: not on ppc ;)
[02:06] <iiiears> Huh - ? what is the ppc command?
[02:06] <thoreauputic> iiiears: erm... apple... mac.... ppc
[02:06] <dabar> heh
[02:06] <dabar> you guys are not on the same page
[02:06] <iiiears> Lol - Ya know ya just can't lurk here and not learn something.
[02:07] <arphetic> MMM
[02:07] <dabar> uname has other options
[02:07] <thoreauputic> dabar: indeed
[02:07] <thoreauputic> uname -a
[02:07] <thoreauputic> for a complete listing...
[02:07] <dabar> and man uname among others:)
[02:08] <MAPD> hi
[02:08] <dabar> I have 3 seconds of lag on some things, like pinging google.
[02:08] <MAPD> anyone knows a program that tells me
[02:08] <MAPD> wheres the ip?
[02:08] <MAPD> i mean if its german chinese
[02:08] <MAPD> whatever?
[02:08] <StrikeForce> wheres the ip?
[02:08] <dabar> like
[02:08] <StrikeForce> you mean traceroute ifoncifg
[02:08] <StrikeForce> ifconfig?
[02:08] <MAPD> i expressed wrong
[02:08] <bimberi> MAPD: http://www.countrycheck.com
[02:08] <MAPD> no
[02:08] <dabar> nah
[02:09] <dabar> like the website
[02:09] <dabar> ya, that
[02:09] <arphetic> ANyone have an idea why my screan is really shocky and why i cant update that shit drivers /
[02:09] <arphetic> nvrmind
[02:09] <MAPD> bimberi, but is a program?
[02:09] <thoreauputic> MAPD: host <IP number>
[02:09] <bimberi> MAPD: no, a service
[02:09] <MAPD> im downloading something now from apt-get
[02:09] <MAPD> i wanted to know if its from a portuguese mirror
[02:09] <MAPD> i replaced the sources list
[02:10] <dabar> yay, both my live and install hoary downloaded with no md5sum errors.
[02:10] <MAPD> bimberi,
[02:10] <MAPD> thats not what i need
[02:10] <MAPD> :\
[02:10] <thoreauputic> MAPD: the host command will give you the full domain and country
[02:10] <dabar> awww..my wrist is screwed.
[02:11] <bimberi> MAPD: yes, now realised, sorry
[02:11] <thoreauputic> MAPD: also whois
[02:11] <MAPD> thoreauputic, ook
[02:11] <MAPD> but that not what i need
[02:11] <MAPD> i need to know
[02:11] <MAPD> at relay time
[02:11] <MAPD> where does it come from
[02:11] <dabar> MAPD: put pt in front of the sources.list, are you in portugal?
[02:12] <MAPD> yes
[02:12] <davro> all your wrists are belong to rsi
[02:12] <MAPD> other thing
[02:12] <dabar> well, whats your sources.list look like?
[02:12] <dabar> davro: bah. tru.
[02:12] <MAPD> dabar,
[02:12] <iiiears> lol
[02:12] <MAPD> want me to paste or send you the file
[02:12] <MAPD> on pastebin?
[02:12] <thoreauputic> MAPD: you'll see the IP - just run whois <IP number>
[02:12] <Snorks> What's the difference between ubuntu 5.04 for intel x86 ordered from ubuntu-linux.org for free a while ago, or the 5.04 intel x86 iso if downloaded from web? is there any difference at all?
[02:12] <dabar> !paste
[02:12] <ubotu> well, paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[02:13] <MAPD> why cant i copy a file from my desktop to apt dir
[02:13] <MAPD> my user is sysadmin thingy
[02:13] <Snorks> check rights
[02:13] <Snorks> oh
[02:13] <dabar> there is no such url, Snorks, it is either with no dash, or ubuntu.com
[02:13] <MAPD> im using the drag and drop
[02:13] <dabar> no difference
[02:13] <Snorks> if the desktop belongs to /home/randomuser, then i think you might need to give root permissions
[02:13] <iiiears> Snorks - Hoary has been frozen except for security updates - they are both very much the same.
[02:13] <dabar> it dont work that way.
[02:13] <Snorks> not all roots are uber-roots
[02:14] <Snorks> iiiears: and security updates i can get from the web after install?
[02:14] <iiiears> Yes
[02:14] <MAPD> help pls :P
[02:14] <Snorks> ok
[02:14] <dabar> nautilus, which is what is used for dragging and dropping, does not has superuser priivilieges.
[02:14] <Snorks> thank you
[02:14] <arphetic> err...
[02:14] <arphetic> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1362
[02:14] <arphetic> anyone can help me with that?
[02:14] <MAPD> dabar, so doesnt work?
[02:14] <dabar> MAPD: pasted sources.list?
[02:14] <MAPD> what can i do?
[02:14] <MAPD> nope
[02:14] <thoreauputic> MAPD: you need to be clearer in your questions
[02:14] <thoreauputic> !questions
[02:14] <ubotu> it has been said that questions is what #ubuntu exists for. Please help by asking good, clear questions. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html is recommended reading
[02:15] <dabar> it could possibly, i dont wanna tell you how, cause its not safe to run nautilus as root, cause you might delete a lot.
[02:15] <MAPD> im trying to do drag and drop from my desktop to apt dir it says i dont have access
[02:15] <iiiears> thoreauputic is teasing the bot. - lol
[02:15] <gmoore> if anyone is familiar with apache/php/ruby on ubuntu: i currently have apache installed. i would like to install php and ruby as well. can i just install packages or something as well (like you would on windows), or should i remove apache and compile it with said additions?
[02:15] <thoreauputic> MAPD: because you aren't running nautilus with super user privileges
[02:16] <gmoore> !nautilus
[02:16] <ubotu> No idea, gmoore
[02:16] <MAPD> thats right thoreauputic
[02:16] <MAPD> im not running on root
[02:16] <dabar> install the packages.
[02:16] <gmoore> what is nautilus? i hear it mentioned a lot. :3
[02:16] <MAPD> i disabled the gdm connection
[02:16] <MAPD> as root
[02:16] <dabar> your file mangler
[02:16] <thoreauputic> MAPD: everything except /tmp outside your home dir requires elevated privileges
[02:16] <dabar> manager
[02:16] <chris__> nautilus is the gnome filemanager
[02:16] <bimberi> gmoore: the gnome file manager
[02:16] <MAPD> i cant install packages :P
[02:16] <dabar> is nautilus
[02:16] <gmoore> oh, wow. what a dumb question :{}
[02:16] <MAPD> im going to copy by hand
[02:16] <MAPD> lol
[02:16] <michele> gmoore, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP
[02:16] <dabar> not really.
[02:17] <dabar> I did not know it at some point.
[02:17] <dabar> aj bok, guys, means bye.
[02:17] <bimberi> gmoore: not at all
[02:17] <MAPD> !pastebin
[02:17] <ubotu> pastebin is, like, totally, a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[02:17] <thespiritoftal> !help
[02:17] <iiiears> there are a bunch of apps out there with names that obscure their function.
[02:17] <davro> !ruby
[02:17] <ubotu> davro: What?
[02:17] <thoreauputic> MAPD: you install packages with synaptic (or apt or aptitude)
[02:18] <arphetic> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1362 <- Anyone goy a suggestion?
[02:18] <MAPD> i cant
[02:18] <MAPD> lol
[02:18] <iiiears> what is "bicyclerepair" or "bonobo" - heh
[02:18] <MAPD> im trying to make it portuguese mirrors
[02:18] <MAPD> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/d1363
[02:18] <MAPD> wheres dabar?
[02:18] <thoreauputic> MAPD: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:19] <thoreauputic> MAPD: add pt in front of "archive" ---> pt.archive
[02:19] <MAPD> its already there
[02:19] <thoreauputic> MAPD: so what's your problem?
[02:19] <MAPD> if i add there
[02:19] <MAPD> it will find my
[02:20] <MAPD> portuguese mirror?
[02:20] <thoreauputic> MAPD: if there is one, yes
[02:20] <thoreauputic> MAPD: if not it will default to something sane
[02:21] <deufo> did j2re get removed from the apt thing?
[02:21] <MAPD> hum
[02:21] <MAPD> ok thanks
[02:21] <deufo> i can't find j2re now
[02:21] <thoreauputic> deufo: it's in hoary-extras
[02:21] <iiiears> deufo - i believe it is in "extras"
[02:21] <MAPD> when i installed ubuntu it said it didnt have full support for my language in the cdrom and it said to go to the net download can i do it now?
[02:21] <deufo> ah
[02:21] <MAPD> i cancelled before
[02:21] <iiiears> << - nap
[02:22] <iiiears> Z..zz.z
[02:22] <iiiears> G'nite :)
[02:22] <thoreauputic> deufo: and it's sun-j2re1.5
[02:22] <deufo> ty
[02:23] <arphetic> Unable to find the kernel source tree for the currently running kernel.
[02:23] <arphetic> Please make sure you have installed the kernel source files for your
[02:23] <arphetic> kernel
[02:23] <arphetic> ?
[02:23] <thoreauputic> arphetic: what are you trying to compile?
[02:24] <arphetic> Erm
[02:24] <chrissturm> requiring kernel sources is more or less a bug
[02:24] <arphetic> im trying to install vidcart drivers
[02:24] <arphetic> ;)
[02:24] <arphetic> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1362
[02:24] <thoreauputic> vidcart?
[02:24] <arphetic> yes the drivers
[02:25] <arphetic> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-7667.html
[02:25] <thoreauputic> arphetic: you are trying to install nvidia drivers?
[02:25] <arphetic> yes
[02:25] <thoreauputic> !nvidia
[02:25] <ubotu> nvidia is, like, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or quick optimizations https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia?highlight=%28nvidia%29
[02:25] <thoreauputic> arphetic: read that
[02:25] <arphetic> both?
[02:25] <owtput> hi guys, anyone familiar with apt-pinning via synaptic?
[02:26] <thoreauputic> the first one
[02:26] <kemik> owtput: apt-pinning?
[02:26] <owtput> kemik: yep
[02:26] <Snorks|Opera> usb devices like printer and scanner, should they be plugged in during install or should i plug them in after everything is installed?
[02:26] <arphetic> Ok thank you
[02:26] <thoreauputic> arphetic: you can't really "optimise" nvidia until you have the drivers, can you? *g*
[02:27] <BollocksMacenzie> Does anyone know ehich hotplug files execute and in which order when inserting a PCMCIA wi-fi card?
[02:27] <kemik> owtput: between breezy and hoary then ?
[02:27] <hubsi> kann mir mal jemand irgendwie jemand seine schnste seite zeigen.. also.... die er am schnsten/besten (grafisch) findet ?
[02:28] <owtput> kemik: yep
[02:28] <Snorks|Opera> usb devices like printer and scanner, should they be plugged in during install or should i plug them in after everything is installed? if you know this, please answer :) I am about to install Ubuntu right now
[02:28] <owtput> kemik: dun worry, this is only a testbed. my main box is still hoar'ing away
[02:28] <thoreauputic> Snorks|Opera: plug them in
[02:28] <Snorks|Opera> thoreauputic: ok thank you
[02:29] <owtput> kemik: I'd like to start bug-submitting any quirks in breezy
[02:29] <thoreauputic> before install
[02:29] <thoreauputic> Snorks|Opera: the installer will try to identify them for you
[02:29] <kemik> owtput: ah.. well.. im not familiar with howto do it in synaptic.. i always use the commandline :)
[02:29] <BollocksMacenzie> Are the hotplug scripts loaded into memory and not loaded again?
[02:30] <BollocksMacenzie> At boot?>
[02:30] <owtput> kemik: did you upgrade to breezy by any chance?
[02:30] <kemik> owtput: mmh, but it severly broke X for me
[02:30] <kemik> so i had to go back to hoary
[02:31] <owtput> kemik: what were the error messages?
[02:31] <kemik> dun think i'll try again until it's stable ;)
[02:31] <thoreauputic> BollocksMacenzie: I'm guessing no-one currently here knows - maybe wait a while and ask again (say 15 or 20 minutes?)
[02:31] <MAPD> i changed sources.list
[02:31] <arphetic> !nvidia
[02:31] <ubotu> somebody said nvidia was at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or quick optimizations https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia?highlight=%28nvidia%29
[02:31] <MAPD> will it change on
[02:31] <MAPD> synaptics too?
[02:31] <kemik> owtput: lots about fonts, and then some other errors.. this was a few weeks ago
[02:31] <thoreauputic> MAPD: yes
[02:31] <maisy322> can anyone tell me whats is the best wifi manager for gnome / ubuntu?
[02:31] <owtput> kemik: xorg.conf had a few diff naming schemes
[02:31] <owtput> kemik: eg. keyboard -> kbd
[02:31] <thoreauputic> MAPD: don't forget to reload/ update
[02:32] <thoreauputic> MAPD: synaptic is just a front end for apt
[02:32] <MAPD> ah ok thanks
[02:32] <MAPD> i did update
[02:32] <MAPD> did sudo apt-get update?
[02:32] <thoreauputic> yup
[02:32] <thoreauputic> MAPD: that's right
[02:32] <kemik> owtput: wel, im staying clear until october ;) cause this is my mainbox.. and i dont wanna test stuff on it ;)
[02:33] <MAPD> what
[02:33] <MAPD> should i install by default
[02:33] <MAPD> ?
[02:34] <maisy322> does ubuntu come with a default wifi detection, connection tool?
[02:34] <thoreauputic> MAPD: what do you mean? Install whatever you wish...
[02:34] <arphetic> Strange
[02:35] <thoreauputic> arphetic: what's strange ?
[02:36] <MAPD> how to install
[02:36] <MAPD> wine and fully working?
[02:36] <Poromies> anyone here, who would know a thing or two about dvd burning support, k3b and such?
[02:36] <Poromies> i have a problem with writing speeds
[02:36] <thoreauputic> *sigh* sudo apt-get install wine or choose it with synaptic
[02:36] <Poromies> i have dma enabled on the drive, k3b shows it to support 8x dvd burning
[02:37] <thoreauputic> !info wine
[02:37] <ubotu> wine: (Windows Emulator (Binary Emulator)), section universe/otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.0.20050310-1.1 (hoary), Packaged size: 1248 kB, Installed size: 2596 kB
[02:37] <thoreauputic> MAPD: wine is in universe
[02:37] <Poromies> yet, when ever i start to burn something, it takes ages to complete the full disk 4.3gb and speed is never above 0.8x according to k3b
[02:37] <arphetic> thoreauputic: Enemy Territory stops at Sound init
[02:37] <sambagirl> how do you do a quick search to locate everyone with a specific string in their nick? i forget how now. /whois james*
[02:37] <sambagirl> is that how?
[02:37] <MAPD> thoreauputic,
[02:37] <MAPD> explain
[02:37] <MAPD> lol
[02:38] <thoreauputic> arphetic: killall esd, then try it again
[02:38] <chrissturm> when i am burning a data cd with nautilus it doenst seem to use buffer underrun protection. with dvds it works. how can i fix that?
[02:38] <thoreauputic> MAPD: how long have you been using Ubuntu ?
[02:38] <sambagirl> what is the music channel for ubunto called? i was there but cannot remember the name now
[02:39] <MAPD> first time :p
[02:39] <arphetic> ?
[02:39] <thoreauputic> MAPD: read the "ubotu" link below
[02:39] <thoreauputic> !synaptic
[02:39] <ubotu> synaptic is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[02:39] <sambagirl> wha is colony 3?
[02:39] <thoreauputic> MAPD: and this
[02:39] <muffin_> hi, i've installed netatalk (AppleTalk Protocol). any idea how to use it???
[02:39] <thoreauputic> !repos
[02:39] <ubotu> somebody said repos was at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[02:39] <MAPD> found wine
[02:40] <sambagirl> what is colony 3?
[02:40] <muffin_> !netatalk
[02:40] <ubotu> muffin_: Bugger all, i dunno
[02:40] <arphetic> XMMS can play winamp files (.PLS) right?
[02:40] <thoreauputic> sambagirl: the recent testing release of the new distro (Breezy)
[02:41] <MAPD> i chose
[02:41] <arphetic> http://www.slamfm.nl/slamfmlivestream.php which one should i have ;)
[02:41] <MAPD> mark all updates
[02:41] <MAPD> is this correct?
[02:41] <sambagirl> is there a ubuntu guru here?
[02:42] <thoreauputic> MAPD: do you want to update your existing apps or install wine only?
[02:42] <sambagirl> is there an amiga guru?
[02:42] <sambagirl> what are you talking about WINE for?
[02:42] <spola> noooooooo, there are no guru's on IRC. ever
[02:42] <MAPD> update
[02:42] <sambagirl> winos.
[02:42] <MAPD> and install wine
[02:42] <sambagirl> is all your doing is drinking?
[02:42] <sambagirl> wine wine wine
[02:42] <thoreauputic> MAPD: so select wine
[02:42] <sambagirl> is good for the heart
[02:42] <sambagirl> the more you drink
[02:42] <sambagirl> the more you fart
[02:42] <arphetic> sambagirl: they are busy
[02:42] <thoreauputic> sambagirl: do you have something ubuntu related to say?
[02:42] <sambagirl> yes
[02:43] <titaniululz> in synaptic what does the ubuntu symbol in the second column mean?
[02:43] <MAPD> all wine packages?
[02:43] <sambagirl> ive been asking 3 times now
[02:43] <sambagirl> but apparantantly there is no guru here to help me.
[02:43] <thoreauputic> titaniululz: stuff that's supported - in "main" in other words
[02:43] <spola> titaniululz, im guessing it's set to true for all ubuntu packages, and left empty for foreign debs
[02:43] <titaniululz> ah, thanks
[02:43] <muffin_> hi, i've installed netatalk (AppleTalk Protocol). any idea how to use it???
[02:44] <sambagirl> well geez do you have an apple on the lan?
[02:44] <sambagirl> if so it should be transparent.
[02:44] <MAPD> not bad
[02:44] <MAPD> downloading at 470kb/s
[02:44] <muffin_> samagirl: hm, windows doest support afp, does it
[02:44] <MAPD> :p
[02:44] <muffin_> samagirl: i do
[02:45] <srijith> on the topic of wine, has any one had issues with wine losing mouse/keyboard focus..? I know the solution, though not the actual cause
[02:45] <sambagirl> well i used another product for supporting afp thru windows me
[02:45] <sambagirl> a product put out by island.
[02:45] <arphetic> lets try now
[02:45] <muffin_> sambagirl, cewl, ive never seen afp on a win machine ^^
[02:46] <Ledo> please can someone help me install ubuntu
[02:46] <sambagirl> i have it on my laptop it loads at boot time.
[02:46] <sambagirl> install it?
[02:46] <sambagirl> just put the cdrom in the cdrom and boot from cdrom
[02:46] <muffin_> but any idea how to use a new proctocol??? afp://ip does not work... :(
[02:46] <Ledo> If only it was that simple, i dont have a cd-rw,
[02:46] <Ashen> yo.
[02:46] <sambagirl> umm
[02:46] <oxez> If I download a .deb package from somewhere where do I put it in order to be able to install it?
[02:47] <Ledo> Can i install ubuntu from the iso image on my hdd like mandrake or red-hat
[02:47] <sambagirl> sorry muffin. i wish i could help you truely i do. but i don't have any example here working to try
[02:47] <spola> they will send you a cd for free (if only you ask)
[02:47] <Ashen> anyone know anything about getting directpad pro parrallel input working in ubuntu?
[02:47] <Ledo> Ive searched everywhere on wiki, but nothing worked
[02:47] <muffin_> Ledo, you can order a pressed cd for f
[02:47] <rob^^^> anyone here running hoary or breezy on VirtualPC?
[02:47] <rob^^^> X is psychedelic
[02:47] <Ledo> I ordered a cd 2 months ago
[02:47] <Karhuton> Is the Grub on Hoary patched for XFS? The one on the installation DVD didn't work..
[02:47] <Ledo> is there no way to install from iso image on hdd
[02:47] <sambagirl> i have a bunch of cd's here they sent me 30 for AMD 64, PPC, X86 and AMIGA
[02:47] <muffin_> rob^^^, you can install ubuntu pcc on mac, cant you?
[02:47] <deadhorse> well,what's visualpc?
[02:47] <shawarma> Karhuton: I use it with XFS just fine.
[02:48] <deadhorse> hi,all.
[02:48] <muffin_> deadhorse, x86 emu for osx
[02:48] <Karhuton> shawarma, did you install Grub on installation?
[02:48] <thoreauputic> Ledo: there probably is, but evidently so far no one here knows how
[02:48] <sambagirl> i dont think so LEdo cause you hvae to install to the drive your installing from, think about it. there should be no o.s present, no?
[02:48] <deadhorse> oh
[02:48] <bimberi> oxez: you can put it anywhere and use the command "sudo dpkg -i whatever.deb" to install
[02:48] <shawarma> Karhuton: The trick to actually installing it is to let the installation install lilo and later "upgrading" to grub yourself.
[02:48] <Ledo> Ive done it with red-hat
[02:48] <oxez> bimberi: ok thx
[02:48] <bimberi> oxez: that said, it's best to get packages via apt
[02:48] <shawarma> Karhuton: And when you do that, make sure you have a root console open!
[02:49] <Ledo> I have a bootable ubuntu cd, but it has bad sectors, so i can start the install but evidently it freezes
[02:49] <spola> well redhat and ubuntu are two diffrent things now aren't they?
[02:49] <BollocksMacenzie> ASking again... Does anyone know how the hotplug subsystem works?
[02:49] <Karhuton> shawarma, explain in query, if you will
[02:49] <shawarma> Karhuton: Because if you (like me) boot from your root partition (ie. don't have a /boot partition), grub-install is going to freeze / and then you have to unfreeze it from the root console.
[02:49] <sambagirl> This is not Redhat LEdo. And As the resident Amiga Guru, I hereby declare that there is no way to do it for the serfs,
[02:49] <muffin_> Ledo, why dont you just order you free copy of ubuntu with a failsafe install and boot cd????
[02:49] <thoreauputic> sambagirl: it's possible to install linux from an image on another partition
[02:49] <kemik> BollocksMacenzie: nope, but try google. i've read some great recource on that stuff with USB and the hotplugsystem
[02:50] <Ledo> i just said i HAVE ordered one and its been two months and still nothing
[02:50] <gmoore> you know what? honestly, ubuntu is easier to use than windows. some stuff in the terminal is a bit tricky i guess, but really, synaptic is so easy to use to get anything you need that it beats the hell out of windows
[02:50] <thoreauputic> sambagirl: please, if you don't know, don't joke
[02:50] <sambagirl> Sure that is possible Theraputic
[02:50] <gmoore> if only i didn't play so many videogames and i could put ubuntu on my main computer ;(
[02:50] <sambagirl> Theraputic will you stop being so bitchy.
[02:50] <kemik> *ooh* catfight!
[02:50] <thoreauputic> sambagirl: will you try to be on topic?
[02:50] <sambagirl> I'm busy here helping people.
[02:50] <Ledo> OMFG :/
[02:51] <thoreauputic> *cough*
[02:51] <muffin_> any idea how to use apple talk proctocol??? afp://ip does not work... :( i insalled tha package "netatalk" from hoary multiverse
[02:51] <sambagirl> Will you try minging your own house?
[02:51] <sambagirl> As i first asked in here WHAT IS COLONY and all you can say is stay on topic. Look your not my mama or my daddy so leave me alone.
[02:51] <thoreauputic> sambagirl: OK - well the ops are only a /msg away - suit yourself
[02:52] <thoreauputic> sambagirl: I answered your colony question
[02:52] <owtput> colony, as in breezy colony?
[02:52] <owtput> or colony of aliens from Starship Troopers
[02:52] <sambagirl> you dont have to answer anything for me.
[02:52] <Ledo> So there is No way to install from iso image on fat32 partition
[02:52] <rob^^^> muffin_ Ubuntu PPC does work but I'm in OS X all day anyway
[02:52] <kemik> someone's being childish
[02:52] <rob^^^> so I actually prefer to virtualize it as speed is not improtant to me
[02:52] <spola> hey ledo, check this out: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/FromAnotherDistro?highlight=%28install%29
[02:53] <rob^^^> I'm already running XP under VirtualPC and have a dual proc with 2 gigs of ram so its not completely agnoziing
[02:53] <fabbione> calm down
[02:53] <owtput> c'mon humans
[02:53] <MAPD> whats multiverse?
[02:53] <BollocksMacenzie> kermik: Trying to rewrite it to automatically configure the firewall and stuff. Like I did with my boot files.
[02:53] <volatile_> I keep having issues with compiling mplayer with the GUI
[02:53] <fabbione> sambagirl: colony as in Colony of (breezy) Badgers
[02:53] <volatile_> I specify the --enable-gui options
[02:53] <volatile_> option
[02:54] <volatile_> but it keeps giving me this gtk error
[02:54] <volatile_> even though I installed gtk using synaptic
[02:54] <owtput> fabbione: as in "array" of hedgehogs?
[02:54] <fabbione> owtput: yes
[02:54] <kemik> BollocksMacenzie: trying to get the hotplugsystem to configure the firewall???
[02:54] <owtput> heh, cool
[02:55] <roham_> Can somebody help me with startup problem...
[02:55] <Ashen> anyone know anything about getting directpad pro parrallel input working in ubuntu? (playstation controller-- not usb)
[02:55] <Ledo> how do i do a network install then,
[02:55] <bimberi> fabbione: good to see the irc logging working again :)
[02:55] <MAPD> whats multiverse? pls?
[02:55] <volatile_> is it source?
[02:55] <kemik> roham_: just ask the question
[02:55] <volatile_> the ps2 controller?
[02:55] <muffin_> !multiverse
[02:55] <ubotu> ask me about !repositories
[02:55] <Ledo> how do i choose network install from the ubuntu setup
[02:55] <muffin_> !repositories
[02:55] <ubotu> from memory, repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[02:55] <fabbione> bimberi: i had problems with my isp..
[02:56] <fabbione> they were only slower than usual
[02:56] <bimberi> fabbione: ah
[02:56] <Ashen> volatile_: either... they use the same drivers
[02:56] <muffin_> MAPD, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[02:56] <MAPD> by the way i want to install
[02:56] <MAPD> blackbox
[02:56] <volatile_> Ashen, or what?
[02:56] <maisy322> so, noone knows of any wifi detector, connection utility for gnome / ubuntu, do u know anywhere else i might ask?
[02:56] <MAPD> can i keep gnome right? and make it share stuff with the blackblox?
[02:56] <bimberi> fabbione: looks like it only took them a week to fix :)
[02:56] <MAPD> maisy322, sourceforge.net
[02:56] <MAPD> try one there
[02:56] <Ashen> volatile_: ps2, ps1, any playstation device
[02:57] <Ashen> volatile_: through the printer port
[02:57] <BollocksMacenzie> kemik: I've alfready rewritten my boot to auto-detect my wi-fi card and configure the firewall, network monitor and ifconfig.
[02:57] <volatile_> what's your problem?
[02:57] <Ashen> volatile_: it doesn't work... :p
[02:57] <fabbione> bimberi: yes.. but i don't care too much.. logs are only an extra low priority facility :)
[02:57] <arphetic> lets see
[02:57] <volatile_> lol, u installed it?
[02:57] <Ashen> volatile_: not sure if the kernel is compiled with support
[02:57] <volatile_> you connected the ps2 controller yes?
[02:57] <roham_> kemik: if I have my internet cable plugged in, I cant login... I type username and password and then it just waint on a blanc screen, but if I unplug the cable I can login... I think my interface file is corrupt in someway I dont know...
[02:57] <Ashen> volatile_: but my efforts to get a kernel compiled and working on ubuntu have been... not good... at best...
[02:58] <maisy322> thanks for that, I'll go check sourceforge, pheww i was starting to feel invisible there
[02:58] <bimberi> fabbione: :)
[03:00] <MAPD> where can i get amsn?
[03:00] <martin_> http://www.ubuntuusers.de/wiki/multimedia:nforce_treiber_installieren?s=nforce wie ist das in schritt 2 gemeint ?
[03:00] <kemik> roham_: look in /etc/network/interfaces and paste that on pastebin
[03:00] <thoreauputic> !info amsn
[03:00] <ubotu> amsn: (An MSN messenger written in tcl), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 0.94-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 1946 kB, Installed size: 6976 kB
[03:00] <arphetic> amsn sux
[03:00] <arphetic> use Mercury
[03:01] <topyli> or gaim
[03:01] <arphetic> gaim sux too
[03:01] <arphetic> :]
[03:01] <thoreauputic> MAPD: use the search function in synaptic to find stuff :)
[03:01] <arphetic> Mercury ownt
[03:01] <topyli> arphetic: you're hard to please aren't you :)
[03:01] <arphetic> www.mercury.to
[03:01] <arphetic> topyli: use it for like... 2 months... im sure u will be addicted
[03:01] <kemik> BollocksMacenzie: so what isit that you want todo now? im lost =)
[03:02] <arphetic> im still busy on installing windows ffs
[03:02] <arphetic> now creating Primary DOS partition
[03:02] <topyli> arphetic: i'm not really in need of an msn client right now
[03:02] <volatile_> man, I'm getting this issue where it says it can't find my gtk devel files, and THEY'RE INSTALLED!
[03:02] <BollocksMacenzie> kemik: Modify the hotplug files so that the wifi card is autodetected when the machine is already running!
[03:02] <MAPD> i installed wine
[03:02] <MAPD> how do i install stuff?
[03:03] <MAPD> a nice dvd player and dvd recorder
[03:03] <MAPD> would be cool :p
[03:03] <topyli> volatile_: perhaps wrong versions, or maybe you don't have some obscure gtk-foobar2-0-dev
[03:03] <arphetic> rofl
[03:03] <arphetic> Mercury OWNZ OWNZ OWNZ
[03:03] <arphetic> mmm
[03:04] <arphetic> weird echo
[03:04] <kemik> BollocksMacenzie: ahh of course.. well i messed with the hotplug system to identify my camera, i succeeded, but all was lost when i rebooted..
[03:05] <volatile_> huh
[03:05] <volatile_> topyli, I installed the GTK off the site, ubuntu specified
[03:05] <thoreauputic> volatile_: the ones with the -dev suffix?
[03:05] <volatile_> both
[03:05] <volatile_> the regular and the dev I believe
[03:05] <topyli> volatile_: why won't the ubuntu packages do?
[03:06] <volatile_> u mean mplayer ubuntu packages?
[03:06] <thoreauputic> volatile_: mplayer is in the multiverse repo
[03:06] <topyli> volatile_: no, gtk
[03:06] <volatile_> I konw
[03:07] <volatile_> I installed it
[03:07] <volatile_> but it doesn't work
[03:07] <volatile_> the other ones work
[03:07] <volatile_> like xine
[03:07] <volatile_> but mplayer doesn't work for me
[03:07] <hansi_xp> what's a good mp3 player with equalizer for linux (like winamp)
[03:07] <volatile_> could it be that I installed the codec package?
[03:07] <rob^> !bmp
[03:07] <thoreauputic> volatile_: hmm - you have w32codecs ?
[03:07] <ubotu> bmp is, like, a guide to Beep Media Player and Plugins, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeepMediaPlayer
[03:07] <volatile_> I installed the "essential" package, and I have w32codecs
[03:07] <volatile_> r they conflicting?
[03:08] <thoreauputic> volatile_: did you install from hoary-extras (w32codecs)
[03:08] <hansi_xp> i like winamp
[03:08] <topyli> volatile_: i'm taking about this: "man, I'm getting this issue where it says it can't find my gtk devel files, and THEY'RE INSTALLED!". different thing altogether :)
[03:08] <volatile_> yes
[03:08] <volatile_> I installed the GTK files off synaptic
[03:08] <volatile_> the most recent versions
[03:08] <volatile_> the GTK and the GTK dev I believe
[03:09] <thoreauputic> volatile_: so where do the gtk packages fit in this picture? What are you using them for?
[03:09] <icewt> hansi_xp, xmms ?
[03:09] <hansi_xp> i tried xmms and it crashed on me
[03:09] <topyli> volatile: your autoconf seems to disagree. what are you trying to do anyway
[03:09] <icewt> hansi_xp, what does it say?
[03:09] <hansi_xp> i tried real player 10 too and it also crashed
[03:09] <hansi_xp> doesn't say anything, it just doesn't play
[03:09] <hansi_xp> freezes
[03:10] <icewt> hansi_xp, what did you try to play?
[03:10] <roham_> !pastebin
[03:10] <ubotu> I guess pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[03:10] <hansi_xp> an mp3
[03:10] <topyli> hansi_xp: realplayer can't handle your sound daemon, panics and freezes
[03:10] <thoreauputic> hansi_xp: did you set the output plugin in xmms to "esound" ?
[03:10] <hansi_xp> not sure
[03:10] <topyli> hansi_xp: if you "killall esd", i'm sure realplayer will work
[03:10] <thoreauputic> hansi_xp: try that first (for xmms)
[03:10] <volatile_> thoreauputic, I was trying to compile mplayer with the --enable-gui tag
[03:10] <icewt> ah, esd.. it'd be better just to disable it ;)
[03:10] <hansi_xp> ok thanks dude
[03:10] <MAPD> sudo apt-get install wine winetools $ winetools
[03:11] <MAPD> impossible to fine winetools
[03:11] <roham_> kemik: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1364
[03:11] <topyli> volatile_: so, are you sure you have the gtk1 devel packages, not gtk2?
[03:11] <thoreauputic> volatile_: mplayer from multiverse should work fine with the ubuntu w32codecs package from hoary-extras repo
[03:11] <MAPD> it says that wine is already installed and its recent
[03:11] <thoreauputic> volatile_: works here anyway
[03:11] <volatile_> I'll check that out, what's the command to delete a dir?
[03:12] <volatile_> rmdir?
[03:12] <volatile_> rd?
[03:12] <roham_> Witch Theme engine is the best one?
[03:12] <topyli> volatile_: mplayer is too weird anyway, and the gui especially is plainly insulting
[03:12] <kemik> roham_: looks ok
[03:12] <thoreauputic> volatile_: that's for empty dirs
[03:12] <thoreauputic> volatile_: rm -r <dir>
[03:12] <volatile_> how I remove all files in a dir?
[03:12] <volatile_> del *.*?
[03:12] <roham_> kemik: ok but whats the error then?
[03:12] <thoreauputic> no
[03:12] <kemik> volatile_: rm -rf *
[03:12] <thoreauputic> volatile_: see above
[03:12] <volatile_> -rf tag means what'?
[03:12] <kemik> roham_: dunno
[03:13] <srijith> r=recursive f=force
[03:13] <gmoore> i am following the Apache/Mysql/Php wiki guide and i'm unsure about what this means. "Search both the strings starting by "User" and "Group", and change the names by the current username and groupname you are using." <- does that mean change it to my username? right now it's "www-data".
[03:13] <michele> -rf = recursive forced
[03:13] <MAPD> help pls
[03:13] <guydebord> I keep learning more
[03:13] <MAPD> is winetools multiverse?
[03:13] <thoreauputic> volatile_: -f is force - be careful if you use that
[03:13] <volatile_> I want to delete the "codecs" directory
[03:13] <volatile_> tell me how plz
[03:13] <roham_> kemik: because I had problems before with the network and dhcp so I deleted the interface file and it got created by itself
[03:13] <kemik> roham_: i thought it could be that your networkcard dont get an adress from the dhcpserver, but it should not lockup the entire computer
[03:13] <volatile_> it has files in it
[03:13] <volatile_> what command do I use?
[03:13] <Ledo> well this is just thuper gay, i spend hrs downloading ubuntu thinkin it would at least support installin from iso image and no, then when i ask for help people just get angry with each other :/
[03:14] <thoreauputic> volatile_: sudo rm -rf /path/to/directory (but be careful)
[03:14] <guydebord> The GIMP help browser plug-in appears to be missing from your installation. Just recieved this message. Anyone know the link to help me install it?
[03:14] <volatile_> k
[03:14] <volatile_> did it
[03:14] <roham_> kemik: it dosnt lockup I can press ctrl-alt-backspace, and it restart the xwindows but its the samething... its stops, the splash screen dosnt come up, I need to reboot without the cable plugged
[03:14] <hopeng> how to use 5.1 speakers in ubuntu ?
[03:14] <gmoore> Ledo: boot from the cd
[03:14] <Ledo> :/
[03:14] <evanpro> So, I should download the Colony 3 CD, but I shouldn't use it?
[03:15] <Ledo> I just said my only cd has errors on it
[03:15] <evanpro> Is that the message I should get from the topic?
[03:15] <thoreauputic> volatile_: which dir were they in? you might need to re-create it
[03:15] <hansi_xp> hey xmms works :)
[03:15] <thoreauputic> hansi_xp: :)
[03:15] <hansi_xp> :)
[03:15] <ubuntuguy> what is xmms?
[03:15] <hansi_xp> winamp on linux
[03:15] <hansi_xp> sought of
[03:15] <icewt> guydebord, try to install gimp-helpbrowser
[03:16] <volatile_> my mplayer opens
[03:16] <guydebord> The GIMP help browser plug-in is missing from my installation. Anyone know the link to help me install it?
[03:16] <volatile_> but doesnt' do shit
[03:16] <volatile_> when trying to play a simple DivX file
[03:16] <volatile_> WTF?
[03:16] <topyli> ubuntuguy: a music player that everybody used to use 5 years ago
[03:16] <volatile_> I have w32codecs installed
[03:16] <thoreauputic> volatile_: you dleted the codecs,right?
[03:16] <icewt> guydebord, sudo apt-get install gimp-helpbrowser
[03:16] <roham_> kemik: any ideas?
[03:16] <ubuntuguy> I'm downloading Colony 3 right now, is there anything I should know?
[03:16] <volatile_> I deleted the "essential" codecs from the mplayerhq site
[03:16] <kemik> roham_: i've had that sortof problem on window95/98.. never on linux... not sure what can be causing that behaviour
[03:16] <michele> hansi_xp, beep media player should be better than xmms, and look the same
[03:17] <hansi_xp> beep media huh?
[03:17] <topyli> guydebord: there should be a package called gimp-help-browser or something. search synaptic for "gimp"
[03:17] <thoreauputic> volatile_: and installed w32codecs from hoary-extras ?
[03:17] <volatile_> what is literally the best player available? With no sync issues, and doesn't look like mplayer? Something PRETTY and POWERFUL?
[03:17] <rob^> michele, better
[03:17] <rob^> !bmp
[03:17] <ubotu> hmm... bmp is a guide to Beep Media Player and Plugins, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeepMediaPlayer
[03:17] <Myrtti> ok, I could use some help here again. I need to reformat my USB flash memory stick since it seems to be someway corrupted. It shows in my Ubuntu as only 187M's of size
[03:17] <volatile_> I got the w32codecs installed from synaptic
[03:17] <topyli> volatile_: i just use rhythmbox. muine is great too
[03:18] <hansi_xp> so does everybody download just with the package manager?
[03:18] <Myrtti> anyone?
[03:18] <kemik> Myrtti: goto the usbdevice in a terminal and in the usb-direcotry type "ls -lha"
[03:18] <topyli> volatile_: sorry, you're talking about video. totem
[03:18] <roham_> kemik: weird... and its nothing in the systemlog
[03:18] <thoreauputic> hansi_xp: as much as possible, yes
[03:18] <icewt> beep media player just eats more resources. if xmms works, i don't really see a reason to use bmp
[03:18] <kemik> Myrtti: it can be that you've got a .Trash-user folder on the usb-device.. you'll have to Empty Trash
[03:18] <Myrtti> I've done that already
[03:18] <volatile_> huh?
[03:18] <Ledo> Ugh fuck this, what a waste of time :/
[03:18] <volatile_> video, totem?
[03:18] <volatile_> I use totem now
[03:18] <volatile_> but it has SYNC ISSUES
[03:18] <kemik> Myrtti: go in a terminal and check with "ls -lha"
[03:18] <volatile_> the AUDIO gets away from the VIDEO
[03:18] <roham_> kemik: can I delete the interface file again and try... but I dont thing its that file who makes the problem
[03:19] <volatile_> because it's based on Xine
[03:19] <Myrtti> 12K
[03:19] <icewt> volatile_, use mplayer
[03:19] <kemik> Myrtti: it didnt empty my usb-device correctly with "empty trash"
[03:19] <topyli> volatile_: works here
[03:19] <volatile_> GOD
[03:19] <snackalot> hay ledo if you install gstreamer totem will work
[03:19] <volatile_> I'm TRYING to use mplayer
[03:19] <volatile_> JESUS
[03:19] <volatile_> that's my point
[03:19] <volatile_> mplayer doesn't work
[03:19] <topyli> volatile_: if xine and mplayer are out, you still have vlc
[03:19] <topyli> calm down
[03:19] <icewt> volatile_, oh
[03:19] <thoreauputic> volatile_: chill, dude
[03:19] <volatile_> vlc?
[03:19] <kemik> roham_: seems to be something else...
[03:19] <hansi_xp> are there any really good repositories out there?
[03:20] <volatile_> sry, it's just ANNOYING to have people telling you the same thing over and over
[03:20] <topyli> SHOUTING is pretty rude too
[03:20] <volatile_> I installed mplayer and the w32codecs
[03:20] <thoreauputic> hansi_xp: 16 000 apps not enough?
[03:20] <Myrtti> goar.
[03:20] <Myrtti> no help
[03:20] <kemik> volatile_: did you apt-get mplayer, or compile from source?
[03:20] <roham_> kemik: what happens when I press ok on the login screen? what is the first thing that gets loaded??
[03:20] <hansi_xp> maybe not :)
[03:20] <Goshawk> does anybody know how to create an apt archive?
[03:20] <thoreauputic> volatile_: have you read the code of conduct?
[03:20] <volatile_> I used the GUI thing
[03:20] <volatile_> quiet plz
[03:21] <kemik> Myrtti: there was no ".Trash-user" on the usbdisk ?
[03:21] <Myrtti> no
[03:21] <kemik> volatile_: mplayer didt work for me either using APT.. remove it and compile from source
[03:21] <volatile_> ok
[03:21] <volatile_> I tried that
[03:21] <volatile_> kemik
[03:22] <volatile_> but it said I needed GTK files?
[03:22] <volatile_> Dev Files?
[03:22] <Detox> question on partitons........ if I create a fat32 partition for Win 2000,, do i need to create a swap-partition or can I just use the remainder for linux partition?
[03:22] <azriel0184> ok, i just installed ubuntu, and in the installer i setup two sata drives. well, now when i boot it up it wont boot because it cant find them.
[03:22] <Detox> this is on a fresh HD
[03:22] <kemik> volatile_: mmh, you'll need a few extra things... "build-essential" etc
[03:22] <thoreauputic> Detox: you need swap - but the installer will guide you through that
[03:22] <Detox> ok thanks
[03:23] <volatile_> Error: The GUI requires GTK devel packages (which were not found).
[03:23] <volatile_> my error
[03:23] <volatile_> when using ./configure --enable-gui
[03:23] <hansi_xp> why do the music player such as xmms or beep crash on default configuration?
[03:23] <kemik> volatile_: http://www.oldskoolphreak.com/tfiles/hack/ubuntu.txt <-- follow that guide, it will let you compile alright.. BUT get the latest files from mplayerhq.hu, dont just wget the old stuff from the guide
[03:23] <mr_daemon> Yo
[03:23] <Myrtti> what fun. I love this. dammit
[03:23] <Detox> would 2 -5 gig be ok for the swap-partition?
[03:23] <Myrtti> anyways, I have to go
[03:23] <Myrtti> I'll battle with this later
[03:24] <thoreauputic> Detox: too much
[03:24] <kemik> Detox: less than 1gb is required
[03:24] <kemik> even less than that
[03:24] <thoreauputic> Detox: 500mb should be ample
[03:24] <Detox> ok
[03:24] <Detox> ok better
[03:24] <mr_daemon> I have an extremely stupid question -- you see, I am not yet fluent with the debian-ish way of doing things and I was wondering -- How the heck does one manages RCs?
[03:24] <LokeDK> what does dcopserver do?
[03:24] <mr_daemon> In other words, runlevels.
[03:25] <azriel0184> any ideas on how to get my ubuntu to recognise my sata drives on boot? my /usr is on one of them, so no way i can boot unless that is mounted
[03:25] <thoreauputic> mr_daemon: do you mean startup scripts?
[03:25] <mr_daemon> Because you know, rcconf kinda sucks.
[03:25] <roham_> kemik: what happens when I press ok on the login screen? what is the first thing that gets loaded??
[03:25] <mr_daemon> thoreauputic: Yeah, runlevels.
[03:25] <topyli> mr_daemon: basically, we don't use them
[03:25] <volatile_> ok, so use this guide, but don't use the apt-get install manpages? ETC??
[03:25] <kemik> roham_: the gdm login? you get a splashscreen, then the background and all loads
[03:25] <volatile_> don't install the files it tells me too?
[03:25] <topyli> mr_daemon: debian usually runs on runlevel 2
[03:25] <Karhuton> Grub quesiton: is hdc hd(1,0) if hdb doesn't exist?
[03:25] <thoreauputic> mr_daemon: debian distros only use levels 1 and 2 by default - what do you want to do?
[03:25] <hansi_xp> how do i choose a xmms as the default player?
[03:26] <kemik> volatile_: no use apt-get , but get the latest MPLAYER sources
[03:26] <muffin_> what package do i need to install to get DivX run in totem???
[03:26] <kemik> volatile_: so dont use his WGET urls
[03:26] <volatile_> ok
[03:26] <volatile_> don't use the wget
[03:26] <kemik> muffin_: i'd recommend VLC instead
[03:26] <yongzhi> does anyone know why my VLC player does not have sound when it plays?
[03:26] <volatile_> just use apt-get
[03:26] <Karhuton> muffin_, totem-xine <-- that
[03:26] <volatile_> sound drivers?
[03:26] <muffin_> thx
[03:26] <topyli> muffin_: win32codecs and totem-xine
[03:26] <kemik> !restricted
[03:26] <ubotu> restricted is, like, totally, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:26] <mr_daemon> Well this is new to me. Suppose I want samba to run atomagically a startup -- which I think will be done automagically indeed -- then change my mind and decide I do want it installed and not running..?
[03:26] <volatile_> my mplayer did the same thing
[03:27] <Karhuton> muffin_, you don't need w32codecs, unless you want to view WMV and RealMedia files
[03:27] <yongzhi> erm .. but i'm able to listen to music in other player
[03:27] <thoreauputic> mr_daemon: sudo invoke-rc.d samba stop|start|restart
[03:27] <jmyers> does anyone here know about getting integrated wireless to work on a laptop?
[03:27] <mr_daemon> thoreauputic: Well, yes, I could also directly call the script in init.d... but I don't want it to start automatically. (Lets pretend)
[03:28] <volatile_> where does apt-get save the files it downloads?
[03:28] <mr_daemon> thoreauputic: You can pick sshd as an example as well...
[03:28] <roham_> kemik: so its the splash screen that is loaded first? that must be the error right?
[03:28] <muffin_> Karhuton, but i have to uninstall gstreamer to get xine....
[03:28] <thoreauputic> mr_daemon: man update-rc.d
[03:28] <thoreauputic> mr_daemon: it's pretty easy
[03:28] <Karhuton> muffin_, you only uninstall 'totem-gstreamer'. Gstreamer should be intact for other Gnome apps
[03:28] <Snorks|Opera> ive just installed ubuntu, and there is no root account
[03:28] <Snorks|Opera> or, there is, but i can't get into it
[03:28] <hansi_xp> i still like winamp better :)
[03:28] <kemik> roham_: well, dont see what it has todo with your ethernetcable being plugged in or not :|
[03:28] <mr_daemon> thoreauputic: I just discovered that right before you said it. I like it so far, however is there a way to "list" the current state of services?
[03:28] <volatile_> Snorks|Opera, there is no root because they want you to use "sudo" instead of -su
[03:29] <hansi_xp> nobody likes winamp huh?
[03:29] <Snorks|Opera> volatile_: ok, but i need to fix /etc/hosts
[03:29] <volatile_> I like winamp
[03:29] <hansi_xp> cool
[03:29] <michele> winamp is oh so '90s
[03:29] <hansi_xp> can i get winamp on linux :)
[03:29] <compdude> "kernel panic: not syncing. No init found" (i think it's because i deleted .udevdb) please help!
[03:29] <thoreauputic> mr_daemon: you mean see if they are running? pgrep samba or ps aux | grep samba
[03:29] <volatile_> Snorks|Opera, if you really need to define a root acct, search google, your answer will be there
[03:29] <kemik> volatile_: apt-get usually installs them right away, but they can be found in /var/cache/APT or something like that
[03:30] <roham_> kemik: true :P but what is loaded that have to do with the network?
[03:30] <jmyers> snorks: you can open a root terminal even if you don't have a root account
[03:30] <volatile_> ok, let me check
[03:30] <kemik> roham_: dont know :)
[03:30] <azriel0184> ok, i just installed ubuntu, and in the installer i setup two sata drives. well, now when i boot it up it wont boot because it cant find them.
[03:30] <azriel0184> any ideas on how to get my ubuntu to recognise my sata drives on boot? my /usr is on one of them, so no way i can boot unless that is mounted
[03:30] <volatile_> ...
[03:31] <mr_daemon> thoreauputic: No, not really, that I know. I could also just do a status on the rc script, or invoke pidof. But what I want to know is how to know if an init script is set to run automatically at startup. If I have to pick a comparison, It would be what is the equivalent of chkconfig list in red hat and rc-update show in gentoo?
[03:31] <volatile_> why you put your /usr on your Sata that doesnt' boot?
[03:31] <mr_daemon> thoreauputic: Where it list all "services" on the machine and their state, set to enabled, disabled etc...
[03:31] <Karhuton> I just ran: grub-install /dev/hda, but reading 'hda' device with 'more' still shows string "LILO" in the beginning
[03:31] <owtput> kemik: what were the error messages?:Q
[03:32] <thoreauputic> mr_daemon: I'm not familiar with those distros (debian person)
[03:32] <Karhuton> grub-install said though, 'Installation finished. No errors reported"
[03:32] <kemik> owtput: dont remember exactly.. someting about font-paths and missing fonts etc
[03:32] <joee> how do I get the name of my machine?
[03:32] <thoreauputic> mr_daemon: if you install a daemon in ubuntu it will be started on boot by default
[03:32] <volatile_> so is ubuntu the best version of linux?
[03:32] <hansi_xp> na
[03:32] <Karhuton> volatile_, No
[03:32] <volatile_> what is the best version?
[03:32] <volatile_> and why?
[03:32] <thoreauputic> mr_daemon: sshd, samba etc
[03:32] <hansi_xp> debian
[03:32] <Karhuton> volatile_, There isn't one
[03:32] <kiwiki> there are no best version
[03:32] <Karhuton> volatile_, Each distro for each need
[03:33] <mr_daemon> thoreauputic: Well, do you have an idea of what I am trying to achieve? Something like what rcconf would do, only with built-in tools...
[03:33] <volatile_> linux sux at playing windows games :D
[03:33] <kiwiki> you choose that you love ..
[03:33] <hansi_xp> drugs
[03:33] <joee> :D
[03:33] <Karhuton> volatile_, My car sucks at driving on two wheels
[03:33] <joee> how do I get the name of my machine?
[03:33] <Karhuton> volatile_, I don't know why
[03:33] <owtput> kemik: omg, i dunno how I addressed that to you
[03:33] <kemik> uname
[03:33] <volatile_> lol
[03:33] <volatile_> that makes no sense
[03:33] <kemik> or wait not
[03:33] <kemik> that one
[03:33] <thoreauputic> mr_daemon: maybe you woud like the "BUM" app - Boot Up Manager
[03:33] <owtput> kemik: i was busily typing at the console. i was half asleep, i guess.
[03:33] <kemik> owtput: ;)
[03:33] <Karhuton> volatile_, That's because you're too stupid to understand it?
[03:33] <volatile_> so you guys dont play games?
[03:33] <volatile_> hey
[03:33] <volatile_> relax
[03:33] <owtput> gnite all
[03:33] <thoreauputic> mr_daemon: I'd have to google a link...
[03:33] <volatile_> no need for name calling
[03:34] <volatile_> did I offend you?
[03:34] <volatile_> lol
[03:34] <kemik> volatile_: doom3 and Unreal Tournament is available for linux
[03:34] <mr_daemon> thoreauputic: I shall apt-get the hell out of it then.
[03:34] <oonoon> hi everybody
[03:34] <kemik> volatile_: and you can use Cedegea for WoW and lots of other games
[03:34] <thoreauputic> volatile_: your nick is well chosen ;)
[03:34] <volatile_> cedega costs money
[03:34] <volatile_> heh
[03:34] <volatile_> thx
[03:34] <hansi_xp> how do you put someones name in front?
[03:34] <oonoon> do you know what's the encryption algorithm used with the 'vim -x' command ?
[03:34] <Karhuton> Use cedega-cvs
[03:34] <guydebord> icewt: I installed the gimp-helpbrowser succesful, but I still get the message Could not open '/usr/share/gimp/2.0/help/en/gimp-help.xml' for reading: No such file or directory. What should I change in preferences or should I move files around?
[03:34] <thoreauputic> mr_daemon: afaik bum is not in the repos
[03:34] <volatile_> hey
[03:35] <mr_daemon> thoreauputic: Darn.
[03:35] <volatile_> Karhuton, could you please walk me through the installation of cedega-cvs?
[03:35] <thoreauputic> mr_daemon: hang on a minute
[03:35] <Karhuton> And if you want, then later on buy Cedega. It's better and easier to use than the CVS "hack"
[03:35] <volatile_> I tried but failed
[03:35] <Karhuton> volatile_, NO
[03:35] <mr_daemon> thoreauputic: Well, actually... now that I know that there are no runlevels on debian, rcconf makes more sense.
[03:35] <volatile_> ok
[03:35] <volatile_> np then :D
[03:35] <volatile_> I'll figure it out sometime :D
[03:35] <volatile_> right now I have vmware
[03:35] <Seveas> mr_daemon, there are runlevels on debiam
[03:35] <volatile_> workstation
[03:35] <Seveas> debian*
[03:36] <hansi_xp> who watches american chopper?
[03:36] <Seveas> but levels 3,4,5 are not used by default
[03:36] <volatile_> but I basically have to install windows, and that sux
[03:36] <volatile_> I would rather run games off the linux
[03:36] <volatile_> to get the most out of my hardware
[03:36] <thoreauputic> mr_daemon: just to confuse you: there are runlevels, but the only two commonly used are 1 and 2
[03:36] <Seveas> thoreauputic, and 0 and 6 :)
[03:36] <volatile_> 0 is power off
[03:36] <kemik> volatile_: you'll get the most out of your hardware on Windows
[03:36] <volatile_> and 6 is reboot?
[03:36] <Seveas> yup
[03:36] <thoreauputic> Seveas: indeed :)
[03:36] <hansi_xp> okay, who watches porn?
[03:36] <mr_daemon> thoreauputic: I got that so far
[03:36] <volatile_> yea, but I want to learn linux
[03:36] <volatile_> I do
[03:36] <Seveas> so the majority of rinlevels is used :)
[03:36] <volatile_> watch porn
[03:36] <compdude> i thoutgh 3 was multiuser/standard
[03:36] <thoreauputic> mr_daemon: :)
[03:37] <pitti> jelkner: please continue here to not clutter up the development channel
[03:37] <Seveas> compdude, 2 is multiuser
[03:37] <volatile_> I have a lot of it, but not too much ;)
[03:37] <kemik> im guessing you're too young for porn volatile_ :O
[03:37] <thoreauputic> compdude: not in debian/ubuntu
[03:37] <volatile_> lol
[03:37] <volatile_> I'm 23
[03:37] <volatile_> :D
[03:37] <guydebord> How can I make my gimp access the help browser that I just installed?
[03:37] <hansi_xp> :D
[03:37] <mr_daemon> thoreauputic: I mean, I have administered commercial unices that had no system V style init at all.
[03:37] <Seveas> take the porn discussion elsewhere....
[03:37] <Seveas> highly off limits in here
[03:37] <volatile_> lol, someone just asked and I responded, not actually discussing it
[03:38] <thoreauputic> mr_daemon: man, you won't have any trouble then :)
[03:38] <pitti> jelkner: hm, making an user member of www-data doesn't sound rivht
[03:38] <volatile_> but yea, I want to learn linuz
[03:38] <hansi_xp> you people are too serious
[03:38] <pitti> jelkner: you should rather configure your ftp server appropriately
[03:38] <jelkner> pitti: what is the right way to do this?
[03:38] <volatile_> I dual boot, ubuntu and windows XP
[03:38] <hansi_xp> me too
[03:38] <jelkner> if you could give me some pointers, i promise to put a mini-how to on the wiki
[03:38] <volatile_> and I have another version of linux on my XP installation, using VMware
[03:38] <jelkner> i searched, there is not good documentation i could find
[03:39] <Seveas> jelkner, in the configuration for the ftp server you can usually set a umask too
[03:39] <volatile_> when I installed windows on linux using VMware
[03:39] <hansi_xp> go the windows xp
[03:39] <Seveas> clearly this umask is wrong in the config
[03:39] <volatile_> it wasn't a good scene
[03:39] <thoreauputic> mr_daemon: in case you are interested in BUM --> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=75
[03:39] <volatile_> linux owns when it comes to minimizing resources
[03:39] <Digital_Warrior0> i have a question if any one is up for it
[03:39] <volatile_> linux is like windows after a fresh install
[03:39] <guillem> I would buy a video-camera. Which kind are better, tape-based ones or DVD-based ones?
[03:39] <volatile_> super fast
[03:39] <mr_daemon> thoreauputic: Yeah, I found it in the faq and already installed it :P
[03:39] <jelkner> Seveas: and that would be where?
[03:39] <hansi_xp> yeah but linux doesn't have winamp
[03:39] <arphetic> volatile_: your a funny guy
[03:39] <jelkner> i'm in /etc
[03:39] <thoreauputic> mr_daemon: toofast for me ! *grin*
[03:39] <Seveas> jelkner, depends on which ftp server you use..
[03:40] <volatile_> arphetic, you being sarcastic?
[03:40] <jelkner> ah
[03:40] <mr_daemon> thoreauputic: It is pretty cute looking
[03:40] <azriel0184> ok, i just installed ubuntu, and in the installer i setup two sata drives. well, now when i boot it up it wont boot because it cant find them.
[03:40] <azriel0184> any ideas on how to get my ubuntu to recognise my sata drives on boot? my /usr is on one of them, so no way i can boot unless that is mounted
[03:40] <arphetic> pwd => /home/arphetic
[03:40] <jelkner> vsftp
[03:40] <jelkner> is there a better one?
[03:40] <volatile_> lol
[03:40] <arphetic> volatile_: you made me laugh
[03:40] <agraupe> is there a text-mode browser that supports Javascript?
[03:40] <azriel0184> i added sata_via to /etc/modules... is there anything else i need to add?
[03:40] <mr_daemon> thoreauputic: aaaaaand hangs.
[03:40] <Seveas> azriel0184, 'can't find them' is not really descriptive...
[03:40] <thoreauputic> mr_daemon: hmm
[03:40] <jelkner> what is the ubuntu "standard"
[03:40] <jelkner> ?
[03:40] <pitti> jelkner: vsftp is fine and the Ubuntu standard
[03:40] <Seveas> jelkner, vsftpd is good
[03:41] <arphetic> Monsterjam 0wnET
[03:41] <azriel0184> Seveas: it isnt adding the device nodes at all
[03:41] <guillem> azriel0184, don't know, I have whole ubuntu in sata without trouble
[03:41] <thoreauputic> mr_daemon: you don't want to hear that it Works for Me (tm)
[03:41] <jelkner> i tried sticking to the standard
[03:41] <volatile_> the funny thing is, I'm not trying to be funny, just trying to voice the "winblows" mindset :D
[03:41] <Seveas> azriel0184, are the sata drivers in your initrd?
[03:41] <jelkner> but the only file i see in /etc is ftpusers
[03:41] <guydebord> How can I make my gimp access the help browser that I just installed?
[03:41] <Seveas> vsftpd: etc/vsftpd.conf
[03:41] <Seveas> vsftpd: etc/ftpusers
[03:42] <azriel0184> Seveas: i added sata_via to /etc/modules
[03:42] <volatile_> Gosh, it would be GREAT if I could somehow run my warcraft 3 on linux...
[03:42] <jelkner> ok, i should have thought of that :-(
[03:42] <azriel0184> so, i think so
[03:42] <volatile_> could someone help me install the cedega source stuff?
[03:42] <volatile_> I can find the site and stuff, but I don't know how to compile it or use the settings, or whatever
[03:42] <kemik> volatile_: think WINE cna help you with wc3.. see winehq.com
[03:42] <Seveas> azriel0184, well, that's just adding them to the loaded modules, but the frivers themself need to be in the initrd too
[03:42] <volatile_> I tried wine, it sux :/
[03:42] <azriel0184> Seveas: where, how?
[03:43] <mr_daemon> thoreauputic: Oh, wait, it works. It just took a while to start. Aaaand I just realized that I fetched the .deb without knowing for what architecture it was, and it apparently worked o.o
[03:43] <volatile_> I want something better :D
[03:43] <volatile_> higher quality :D
[03:43] <volatile_> will wine let me play warcraft off my ntfs drive or do I have to do a fresh install?
[03:43] <thoreauputic> mr_daemon: ah. all's well then...
[03:43] <azriel0184> Seveas: where/how do i add the drivers?
[03:44] <mr_daemon> thoreauputic: Well, I'm on a powerpc platform. Works well so far.
[03:44] <jmyers> does anyone have experience with setting up wireless in ubuntu?
[03:44] <thoreauputic> mr_daemon: cool ;)
[03:44] <WOMAN> when I go into System|Administration|Networking and type in my root passwd it causes a wierd error and says something about a child dependancy. Does anyone know what that means and how to fix it?
[03:44] <volatile_> how do I run a game with wine?
[03:44] <mr_daemon> thoreauputic: Well thank you for your help, it is appreciated. :)
[03:44] <volatile_> for instance
[03:45] <volatile_> my war3.exe is located
[03:45] <thoreauputic> mr_daemon: pleasure :)
[03:45] <mindamp> how do i change my eth0 setup after the install?
[03:45] <volatile_> /mnt/winXP/Program Files/Warcraft III/War3.exe
[03:45] <mindamp> i have no guis...
[03:45] <mindamp> base server isntall
[03:45] <Seveaz> azriel0184, well, that's just adding them to the loaded modules, but the frivers themself need to be in the initrd too
[03:45] <Seveaz> azriel0184, have you tried searching the forums? I recall having seen others with the same problem
[03:45] <Seveaz> WOMAN, the menu items need your own password
[03:45] <volatile_> do I have to do a fresh install?
[03:45] <volatile_> if so
[03:45] <Seveaz> not a root password
[03:45] <volatile_> how would I do it?
[03:45] <zukalk> gconf is amazing.. all the stuff i wanted to change and tried to during weeks, and now i solved it all. my spatial is now normal, galeon looks the way want it, and so on
[03:46] <mindamp> everytime i google it, or check the forums...
[03:46] <WOMAN> cheers i'll have a closer look
[03:46] <azriel0184> Seveaz: i did a little, and i remember fixing this the last time i used ubuntu... i just dont remember how
[03:46] <mindamp> all the answersinclude using x windows...
[03:46] <Seveas> WOMAN, if you can't solve it - msg me in 10 minutes, I have to go now
[03:46] <mindamp> where is the file that contains the configuration for the nics?
[03:46] <WOMAN> thanks
[03:46] <pax> mindamp: /etc/network/interfaces
[03:47] <jmyers> i've tried using ndiswrapper to get my windows broadcom driver to work with my integrated wireless, but when i get it set up and modprobe it it says "operation not permitted"
[03:47] <Darkshrimp> hey people
[03:48] <Darkshrimp> i have 2 questions
[03:48] <Darkshrimp> can anyone help me?
[03:48] <Darkshrimp> with ubuntu
[03:48] <nomis_> Darkshrimp, just ask the questions ;)
[03:48] <Darkshrimp> cool :)
[03:48] <Darkshrimp> 1st. how do you connect to dial up *i setted up already, but how to do dial*
[03:48] <Darkshrimp> 2nd. how do u access D drive
[03:48] <Darkshrimp> brb
[03:49] <jmyers> so anybody know about wireless?
[03:49] <nomis_> d drive?
[03:49] <guillem> Darkshrimp, system->Admin->networking select the ppp and activate it, I guess
[03:49] <joee> hey where do I find the sldap.conf?
[03:49] <guillem> Darkshrimp, probably also "sudo ifconfig ppp0 up"
[03:50] <nomis_> jmyers, are you doing modprobe with sudo?
[03:50] <guillem> Darkshrimp, probably easier
[03:50] <jmyers> yes
[03:50] <nomis_> joee, locate sldap.conf ;)
[03:50] <mojo333> Does anyone know why, that no matter how many times I change it, the workspace switcher always changes back to four panels?
[03:50] <displague> is there a recommended x font server for ubuntu? xfs, xfstt, or xfs-xtt? xfs seems to be preferred based on the 7100 port in xorg.conf, but xfs-xtt has more features (according to the package info)
[03:51] <joee> nomis_ doesn't get anything already tried
[03:51] <jmyers> ndiswrapper -l says that both driver and hardware are present
[03:51] <michele> displague, you shouldn't need a font server at all
[03:51] <pippin> where can I find the config file used to build the stock ubuntu kernel?
[03:52] <displague> michele: understood, but i'ld just love to know. does ubuntu enable it out of the box?
[03:52] <LinuxDolt> !printing
[03:52] <ubotu> LinuxDolt: Are you smoking crack?
[03:52] <LinuxDolt> !cups
[03:52] <ubotu> LinuxDolt: Are you smoking crack?
[03:52] <LinuxDolt> blah
[03:52] <guydebord> I just checked and my gimp helpbrowser is installed but gimp help keeps saying it is missing. Can somebody please tell me what I have to cahnge?
[03:52] <displague> what i'm really after is the package that provides 'fixed'. x is starting because it can't find the file, and my fontpaths all seem to be correct (/usr/share/X11/fonts)
[03:52] <LinuxDolt> ok, appearantly printing doesn't auto-configure
[03:53] <LinuxDolt> i can't find the printing docs
[03:53] <LinuxDolt> so where are they?
[03:53] <displague> pippin: /boot
[03:53] <Darkshrimp> guyz, i followed this guide, i went to termials type din sudo pppconfig, and seted it up
[03:53] <thoreauputic> guydebord: did you try re-starting gimp?
[03:53] <Darkshrimp> and it says to connect just type pon... but where do i type it and i typed it in termnials and it didn't work
[03:53] <pippin> displague: thank you,. (I was looking for config.gz in proc)
[03:54] <mojo333> umms, alright, since noone answered, does anyone know where I would find the config file for the workspace switcher?
[03:54] <michele> displague, ubuntu doesn't install a font server. fixed is in xfonts-base, IIRC, try reconfiguring that
[03:54] <thoreauputic> Darkshrimp: is your user in the dip and dialout groups? And did you specify a providername?
[03:54] <displague> root@bang:/proc# dpkg-reconfigure xfonts-base
[03:54] <displague> root@bang:/proc#
[03:54] <displague> nice ...
[03:55] <Darkshrimp> providername, i left it as provider, and wat u mean dip and dailout:S
[03:55] <Darkshrimp> i'm really new to ubuntu
[03:55] <thoreauputic> Darkshrimp: is this an internal modem?
[03:55] <michele> displague, xlsfonts | grep fixed
[03:55] <Darkshrimp> yes
[03:55] <duality_> how can you run a graphics program from the terminal so that it doesn't "stop" the terminal until that program is closed?
[03:55] <thoreauputic> Darkshrimp: it's probably a Winodem - might not be supported
[03:55] <rob_newbie> Hey all, I have a problem setting up my old laptop. It is a CTX Ezbook 700 and I would like to install linux. However I was given it formated and I have not been able to get it to recognize the cd rom. It is a removable bay. I have cheacked connections. Any suggestions?
[03:55] <duality_> I know it's something like "program options %1" or something
[03:56] <thoreauputic> *winmodem
[03:56] <mlacage_> duality_, "program options &"
[03:56] <duality_> thanks
[03:56] <michele> mojo333, gconf-editor /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager
[03:56] <mlacage_> duality_, when it is already running, you can type "ctrl-z" to stop it
[03:56] <gmoore> i'm trying to install ruby on apache2 in ubuntu; i need to put eruby in the cgi-bin directory apparently, but there doesn't seem to be one anywhere in my install. any guesses as to where i should make one?
[03:56] <displague> michele: i don't think that would work, since that asks X, which I'm not in - because it won't start.. in addition, i don't have xlsfonts for some reason (just upgraded from hoary to breezy - so all hell has broken loose)
[03:56] <mlacage_> duality_, and then you type "bg" to restart it in the background
[03:57] <mlacage_> duality_, or "fg" in the foreground
[03:57] <michele> oh breezy upgrade...
[03:57] <rob_newbie> I have aquired a ctx ezbook 700. formated and cannot install operating system due to not being able to find the cdrom
[03:57] <guim> hi all
[03:57] <rob_newbie> any suggestions?
[03:57] <mlacage_> rob_newbie, install from the network
[03:57] <guim> i have a question about imageMagik command tools
[03:57] <mlacage_> rob_newbie, can your laptop do netboot ?
[03:58] <LinuxDolt> anyone know where the printing documentation is at?
[03:58] <rob_newbie> I have not tried
[03:58] <displague> duality_ : and you can do "program options 2>&1 > /dev/null & " if the program is too noisy
[03:58] <mlacage_> rob_newbie, look in the bios. there should be something.
[03:58] <guim> does anyone know if mogrigy or any of the available comamnd allow to modify a complet set of GIF images colors?
[03:58] <rob_newbie> How would I net boot?
[03:58] <LinuxDolt> i want to fricken get my printer working. i've been ignoring it, but it's time to get it done
[03:58] <mlacage_> rob_newbie, in the boot order options, you should see something related to network
[03:58] <guim> I mean replace color X by color Y in 50 images
[03:58] <guim> at once
[03:58] <guim> ?
[03:58] <mlacage_> rob_newbie, maybe under the heading "PXE"
[03:59] <displague> guim: for a in *gif; do mogrify blah $a; done ??
[03:59] <guydebord> thoreauputic: Restarted Gimp and I get an empty Help Browser dialog box. Plus an error message that gimp help-en is not installed. I'll try that now.
[03:59] <displague> guim: oh - you mean the frames of the gif?
[03:59] <guim> I have 100 .gif files
[03:59] <thoreauputic> guydebord: oh i see - not exactly intuitive stuff...
[03:59] <rob_newbie> No It gives three options CD, Hard disk, and Diskette drive
[04:00] <guim> where I want to change color #124589 by #156785 for example
[04:00] <displague> guim: then what i said will work
[04:00] <linux_dude> hi all
[04:00] <guim> mogrify blah $a; done ??
[04:00] <mlacage_> rob_newbie, well, the cd does not work, then the easiest thing to do is install on the HD with another laptop and then boot it
[04:00] <linux_dude> how will i connect to postgres
[04:01] <mlacage_> rob_newbie, I wouldn't recommend trying to install with disks :)
[04:01] <rob_newbie> LOL yeah
[04:01] <benjamin1254> sup rob
[04:01] <guim> displague, could you give a command example?
[04:01] <displague> guim: just make sure the wildcard fits the files.. yes... "for a in pr0n-*.gif; do mogrify -options "$a"; done" ... you may have to give to file names, so "mogrify $a $a.new" might be needed.
[04:01] <guim> i didn't get it
[04:02] <rob_newbie> Well can I install the driver from the a drive?
[04:02] <eliphas_> sure
[04:02] <guim> ok I can't do that in justb one commaden line then
[04:03] <benjamin1254> im running gnome how do i get the new apt-get servers?
[04:03] <displague> guim: i use convert (also imagemagik) all the time, so i would say "for a in *jpg; do convert -scale 640 $a; done" (but i wouldn't really do that, i'ld try to preserve tags
[04:03] <linux_dude> how can in work in postgres
[04:03] <displague> guim: you run that from the shell
[04:03] <guim> ok
[04:03] <guim> thank you i will try
[04:03] <eliphas_> new apt-get servers from shell ?
[04:03] <guim> thx displague
[04:04] <benjamin1254> yes
[04:04] <gmoore> i installed php4 and ruby1.8.2 both using apt-get for apache; apache sees them (i know because if i go to an error404 page on my webserver they're listed at the bottom). making a .php page uses the php parser; however i cannot get ruby to parse anything (tried .rb and .rhtml). i looked in apache2.conf but it doesn't say anything about php OR ruby, so i don't know what it's looking for.
[04:04] <guim> mayby see you later, i will try that
[04:04] <guydebord> thoeaputic: synaptic isn't letting me mark gimp help-eng for installation. Could you help me with the command in shell? Im still pretty green.
[04:04] <rob_newbie> Hey
[04:04] <Davey> gmoore, check in /etc/apache/conf.d IIRC
[04:05] <displague> gmoore: apt-get install libapache-mod-ruby (or libapache2-mod-ruby)
[04:05] <gmoore> davey: all that is there is 'charset'
[04:05] <volatile_> man I can't seem to get wine working :/
[04:05] <computergee> im having trouble with the nvidia drivers, every time i reboot or restartx, o have to reinstall
[04:05] <gmoore> displague: i did that, check it out: http://titaniumone.mine.nu/aaaa
[04:05] <mlacage_> rob_newbie, I don't undertsnad your question. what exactly is not working with your cd drive ?
[04:05] <volatile_> could someone help me through it?
[04:05] <volatile_> I got it installed
[04:05] <volatile_> but I can't run my game
[04:05] <jelkner> pitti: thanks a 10**6! everything is working fine...
[04:05] <gmoore> at the bottom of the page, "Ruby/1.8.2(2004-12-23)" -- so apache sees it. how the heck do i invoke it?
[04:05] <jelkner> you were most helpful
[04:05] <displague> gmoore: a2enmod ruby
[04:05] <gmoore> displague: ?
[04:06] <computergee> im having trouble with the nvidia drivers, every time i reboot or restartx, o have to reinstall, im running ubuntu
[04:06] <pitti> jelkner: well, I didn't do much :-) What was the solution? indeed ftp server config?
[04:06] <displague> gmoore: enables the module using the goodness of the /etc/apache2/mods-availables/ruby.conf file
[04:06] <jelkner> in /etc/vsftp.conf i just changed the default umask
[04:06] <lesshaste> is there a 64 bit ubuntu channel?
[04:07] <jelkner> Seveas: thanks to you, too!
[04:07] <benjamin1254> srry cant get enough of that 1
[04:07] <gmoore> displague: ahhhhh, move ruby.conf to mods-enabled?
[04:07] <XandriX> debootstrap program exited with an eror (return value 1)
[04:07] <rob_newbie> mlacage: When installing an operating system it states it cannot be installed for one of the fallowing reasons. Hard drive not found or cd-rom not found
[04:07] <michele> gmoore, symlink it
[04:07] <gmoore> displague: wait nevermind, there is no ruby.conf in mods-available. what :(
[04:07] <displague> gmoore: oh - i see.. the mod is already loaded... check that conf file forr the addtype lines
[04:07] <alex__> I am using camstream, but I am not sure how to strem :), I have read the doc but appart from saying that pict can be saved to FTP I can't find how to do thi
[04:08] <benjamin1254> where cn i find more gnome splash screens?
[04:08] <gmoore> displague: the conf file is not there :)
[04:08] <gmoore> perhaps that is my problem
[04:08] <rob_newbie> It will not boot to cd and I can get the prompt for the harddrive not the cd
[04:08] <displague> gmoore: a2enmod does the work for you.. if there is no conf file then maybe you should make one up... or check around conf.d (i haven't used the ruby mod, but php works as i am describing)
[04:08] <mlacage_> rob_newbie, "an operating system" ?
[04:09] <mlacage_> rob_newbie, what are you doing exactly ? inserting a floppy in the floppy drive to boot with the floppy ?
[04:09] <gmoore> invoke 'a2enmod ruby' from anywhere?
[04:09] <rob_newbie> yes
[04:09] <mlacage_> rob_newbie, why don't you boot from a cd ?
[04:10] <filip_> how can i get shockwave in ubuntu?
[04:10] <thoreauputic> !flash
[04:10] <ubotu> well, flash is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:10] <gmoore> garrett@opti:/etc/apache2$ a2enmod ruby
[04:10] <gmoore> This module is already enabled!
[04:10] <rob_newbie> It just states invalid system disk. even if I put a windows disk in
[04:10] <filip_> yes but i need shockwave.
[04:11] <alex__> how can I read a webcam stream from a sequence of images saved on a ftp server ?
[04:11] <Nermal> rob_newbie, set it to boot from cd in the bios
[04:11] <displague> gmoore: i see this.. try /usr/share/doc/libapache2-mod-ruby/examples/httpd.conf-apache2 -- copy that to /etc/apache2/mods-available/ruby.conf and then a2dismod ruby; a2enmod ruby
[04:11] <arphetic> Anyone has ET installed on Ubuntu?
[04:11] <mlacage_> rob_newbie, I am not sure I understand what you are doing but here is my suggestion: 1) go to the bios, edit the "boot order". Make sure cdrom is before floppy and before HD. 2) insert linux CD in cd drive 3) boot computer
[04:12] <rob_newbie> Yes 1st
[04:12] <mlacage_> rob_newbie, make sure you remove any floppy in the floppy drive too. this can't hurt
[04:12] <rob_newbie> It is set up like that
[04:12] <clem_yeats> mlacage_: I hurt my finger once like that..
[04:12] <mlacage_> so, you insert the cd in the drive, what _exact_ error do you get ?
[04:12] <roham_> !pastebin
[04:13] <ubotu> methinks pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[04:13] <rob_newbie> atempting...
[04:13] <displague> gmoore: it looks like that conf file expects ruby scripts to be run from /ruby in the document root -- extensions .rbx only (maybe)
[04:13] <mlacage_> rob_newbie, can you hear the cdrom drive trying to read the cdrom ?
[04:13] <filip_> is it someone that use shockwave?
[04:14] <michele> filip_, macromedia doesn't do a shockwave plugin for linux
[04:14] <computergee> im having trouble with the nvidia drivers, every time i reboot or restartx, o have to reinstall, im running ubuntu
[04:14] <benjamin1254> :'(
[04:14] <rob_newbie> States "Missing operating system"
[04:15] <guydebord> just tryed to install gimp help-eng with cmd sudo apt-get install gimp help-eng. Received a messageCould not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock and unable to unlock adm dir. Maybe cuz synaptic is still open will retry now.
[04:15] <gmoore> displague: ahh, makes sense. ok, done. should there be an addtype .rb in that conf somewhere? i don't see one
[04:15] <mlacage_> rob_newbie, are you sure the cdrom drive is spinning and doing some noises ?
[04:15] <filip_> Michel: okey. that is bad now i can play poker on internet.
[04:15] <displague> gmoore: there is .rbx, and some commented out stuff
[04:15] <azriel0184> can i load a kernel module after bootup?
[04:15] <rob_newbie> Yes I can feel it spinning
[04:15] <mlacage_> rob_newbie, where did you get that cd from ?
[04:15] <displague> azriel0184 : modprobe modulename
[04:15] <lesshaste> azriel0184: yes.. modprobe
[04:16] <mlacage_> rob_newbie, every linux cd I know of is bootable
[04:16] <Hoxzer> how do they usually end a letter in England?
[04:16] <mlacage_> rob_newbie, maybe you should try to boot this CD from another computer to make sure it is a bootable cd.
[04:16] <mlacage_> rob_newbie, other than that, I am at a loss
[04:17] <displague> azriel0184 : the modules available live in /lib/modules/kernelversion/kernel ... you can generally "modinfo -p modulename" to get options (leave the .so or .ko off when using modprobe or rmmod, but not when using insmod)
[04:17] <rob_newbie> Well I have tried it with a linux, college linux, redhat, ubuntu, win95,win xp. all of wich I have installed befor on other systems and were bootable
[04:17] <gmoore> displague: so what should i be uncommenting now? i'm unsure about this
[04:18] <roham_> !pastebin
[04:18] <ubotu> I heard pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[04:18] <rob_newbie> all it states is Missing operating system
[04:18] <lesshaste> rob_newbie: what exactly is the problem?
[04:18] <mlacage_> rob_newbie, try to revert the bios to its default settings.
[04:19] <mlacage_> rob_newbie, honestly, this kind of error usually comes because the bios is trying to read the HD and the boot record of the HD is corrupted.
[04:19] <displague> computergee: when you install the nvidia drivers (from X), you won't see the affects right away... You should make a backup copy of /etc/X11/xorg.conf before doing this (the install of the nvidia drivers may already do this)... If X stops working you just copy the backup file back and you should be ok... to test the nvidia drivers without quiting your working X, try doing "X :1" from a shell.. if it works you will see a black and white screen wi
[04:19] <gmoore> displague: ah, now i get 'forbidden' when i try to open a .rbx on my server. i guess that means i'm getting somewhere.
[04:19] <dabear> Hi, IS it at all possible to convert a ntfs station to ext2/3/reiser without loosing data?
[04:20] <mlacage_> rob_newbie, so, here, it should not happen because you boot from the CD.
[04:20] <displague> computergee: to return to your working x... but oh well, you are gone
[04:20] <guydebord> everything fine now with gimp help. Thanks everyone
[04:20] <rob_newbie> do I just load previous values in bios
[04:20] <rob_newbie> I see
[04:21] <displague> gmoore: may want to check the permission on the file - make sure www-data can get in on group acess or other access (chmod -R g+r,o+r ruby/)
[04:21] <gmoore> well test.rb is in the documentroot and i can open test.php fine, but not test.rb
[04:22] <rob_newbie> lesshaste; I hava CTX Ezbook 700 and it was formated befor I got it. Now I cannot boot from cd to install an operating system
[04:22] <displague> dabear: backup to somewhere else, then restore.. ntfs is not 100% safely supported... there are tools to try it - but i wouldn't recommend them
[04:22] <spola> how do i move a file named (eg) readme.txt to readme_X.txt (where X is the first "free number")?
[04:23] <dabear> displague: Ok, so there are no other possibilities? Idon't have another 100Gib available..
[04:23] <Seveas> spola, that'll be hard...
[04:23] <Seveas> (to do automagically)
[04:23] <spola> perhaps i should ask in bash
[04:23] <rob_newbie> Ok nothing sucessfull on reloadinf values still stuck not booting a cd
[04:23] <displague> dabear: there is a package called convertfs - but go into this thinking you just lost 100gb of ntfs data before starting
[04:23] <Seveas> I think a perl script is more reasonable spola :)
[04:24] <Seveas> although...
[04:24] <spola> i only need to know how to seperate the extension and filename actually
[04:24] <gmoore> displague: it seems to be forbidden no matter what i chmod it as... just tried chmod 777 test.rb and i still can't open it in my browser
[04:24] <displague> gmoore : 666 and 777 are evil - don't ever do that
[04:24] <dabear> ok, thx, then I just have to boot windows each time I want to alter the data stored on that partition:(
[04:24] <gmoore> displague: k.
[04:24] <displague> gmoore : aside from that, the forbidden is coming from something else.. hmmm
[04:25] <gmoore> http://titaniumone.mine.nu/test.php
[04:25] <gmoore> that works fine... test.rb is in the same dir
[04:25] <gmoore> http://titaniumone.mine.nu/test.rb
[04:25] <spola> Seveas, do you know perl?
[04:25] <Seveas> a bit, but I prefer python usually :)
[04:26] <wickedpuppy> hmms ... python is in rage
[04:26] <wickedpuppy> guido did a good job with it
[04:27] <displague> gmoore: you have to put it in /ruby under the apache document root (did you see my message earlier... so most likely /var/www/ruby)
[04:27] <rob_newbie> Well anyone like the weird type computer problems?
[04:27] <spola> python is pretty cool... but i'd prefer bash for shell scripting because you can usually assume it's there
[04:28] <displague> gmoore: if you want it in your server root, you should copy the conf file into your <virtualhost> block
[04:28] <gmoore> oops, i think i screwed up a chmod because i'm getting this now. how do i fix it? ;)
[04:28] <gmoore> sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0444, should be 0440
[04:28] <displague> gmoore: sorry, virtual server root
[04:28] <gmoore> i typed this by mistake, hehe > sudo chmod -R g+r,o+r ./
[04:28] <displague> gmoore: what path were you in? you may have done a great deal of damage
[04:29] <gmoore> /mnt/storage/www
[04:29] <gmoore> empty dir except test.php test.rb
[04:29] <reiki_work> question regarding spam blocking and Evolution. I install Spamassassin, but that doesn't "just simply work" with Evolution. It appears there are ways to MAKE it work, but they seem kludgey. Is there a better solution for spam blocking in Evolution? Hopefully something where you just install a package and maybe do a minor config? The junk mail filters in Evolution are not sufficient. Thanks!
[04:29] <Oly> hi i am a little trouble with a sata hard disk i just installed, i have mounted & partitioned it fine but am getting errors from e2fsck
[04:29] <spola> gmoore, that shuldn't have caused any troubler then
[04:30] <vitriol> reiki_work: not really
[04:30] <Oly> which says something like this, The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2
[04:30] <vitriol> reiki_work: you can set up filters in evolution
[04:30] <gmoore> it changed the chmod of sudo or something, every time i use sudo now i get this error: sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0444, should be 0440
[04:30] <paulo> ubuntu para portugues brasil pleace
[04:30] <reiki_work> vitriol: heheh.... that's not very encouraging :)
[04:30] <Seveas> !br
[04:30] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br (/j #ubuntu-br) para ajuda em portugues. Obrigado.
[04:30] <paulo> br
[04:30] <Oly> its formatted as an ext3 partition so why its checking it as ext 2 i have no idea
[04:30] <vitriol> reiki_work: there is a bount out for writing a good bayesian filter for thunderbird
[04:30] <vitriol> reiki_work: if you're interested and talented ;)
[04:30] <Oly> the boot process stops and says press ctrl + d to continue
[04:30] <displague> gmoore: that should have affected /etc/sudoers -- are you sure? ls -al /etc/shadow, should read rw-r----- if there is an extra "r" then the chmod did a little too much work
[04:30] <Seveas> spola, an 11 line bash script solves your problem
[04:31] <Oly> because of this, any one got any ideas as to the cause / fix ?
[04:31] <vitriol> reiki_work: may others have complained about the poor spam filtering capabilities in their mail clients
[04:31] <gmoore> -rw-r--r-- 1 root shadow
[04:31] <reiki_work> vitriol: a "bount"? I don't mind a little experimenting
[04:31] <gmoore> uh oh :(
[04:31] <displague> gmoore: chmod 0440 /etc/sudoers
[04:31] <vitriol> reiki_work: bounty....cash reward for writing the software
[04:31] <Seveas> spola, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1365
[04:31] <vitriol> reiki_work: $500USD i think
[04:31] <displague> gmoore: the rest of your files need to be locked down
[04:31] <reiki_work> vitriol: ah! hahaha... afraid I'm not a coder
[04:31] <gmoore> garrett@opti:/mnt/storage/www$ sudo chmod 0440 /etc/sudoers
[04:31] <gmoore> isnt working
[04:31] <spola> Seveas, thanks a million times dude
[04:31] <vitriol> reiki_work: the only mail client i've ever successfully used spamassasin with
[04:31] <vitriol> was mutt
[04:32] <gmoore> nm did su and now it's okay
[04:32] <Seveas> spola, you need to change line 8 -- you'll see why :)
[04:32] <alex__> I have just installed pd with synaptic
[04:32] <gmoore> what do you mean the rest of my files need to be locked down? did it mess up the permissions of the entire system or something? D:
[04:32] <alex__> but here we go
[04:32] <vitriol> mutt (1) - The Mutt Mail User Agent
[04:32] <alex__> alex@ubu:~$ pd
[04:32] <alex__> ALSA lib seq_hw.c:446:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file o r directory
[04:32] <alex__> Segmentation fault
[04:32] <alex__> alex@ubu:~$ pd_gui: pd process exited
[04:32] <reiki_work> vitriol: I used a spam blocker on my WinXP setup that basically sat between my mail client and the pop server. It works rather well. Maybe I can find similar for Ubuntu
[04:32] <spola> Seveas, np ... the guys in #bash just told me how to extract file and extension from a filename (${filename##*.} and ${filename%.*})
[04:32] <vitriol> reiki_work: good luck. i hope you find one :)
[04:33] <displague> gmoore : aye... your password files can be read by anonmous web crackers now... or any other user on the system...
[04:33] <arphetic> Is there a possibility to connect a computer with Inet through an USB connection wth an other pc?
[04:33] <gmoore> displague: how would i fix that then? as you can see i am very new to linux :(
[04:34] <shekhar> hello my sound has gone off, how to get it back on?
[04:34] <vitriol> shekhar: alsamixer
[04:34] <vitriol> shekhar: you have to use it on the command line
[04:34] <vitriol> shekhar: you probably just need to unmute your sound in alsamixer
[04:35] <vitriol> gah....well if you have an alsa card.....
[04:35] <vitriol> maybe not everyone has alsamixer :|
[04:35] <shekhar> alsamixer is on
[04:36] <thoreauputic> vitriol: alsamixer is installed by default :)
[04:36] <arphetic> Is there a possibility to connect a computer with Inet through an USB connection wth an other pc?
[04:36] <gmoore> displague: ?
[04:36] <shekhar> alsamixer not doing anything
[04:36] <displague> gmoore: I can send you a script to set the permissions back based on my system, but since we have different packages installed some file may be left more readable than they used to be - but very few files are locked down so that group and other can not read them
[04:37] <gmoore> displague: thats ok, and i would appreciate it
[04:37] <displague> gmoore: email address
[04:37] <gmoore> [email protected]
[04:37] <mrstarkweather> how does one "log in as the root user"?
[04:37] <gmoore> thanks a lot
[04:37] <wickedpuppy> !root
[04:37] <ubotu> I heard root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[04:37] <Karhuton> gmoore, you could reinstall lot of the packages
[04:37] <Karhuton> Disabled?
[04:37] <Karhuton> I just did: sudo password
[04:37] <Karhuton> :\
[04:37] <wickedpuppy> thats sudo
[04:37] <wickedpuppy> not root
[04:37] <wickedpuppy> :P
[04:37] <Karhuton> *passwd, I meant
[04:38] <wickedpuppy> different things altogether
[04:38] <shekhar> how do i unmute sound?
[04:38] <Mahasiswa> hi
[04:38] <Karhuton> wickedpuppy, you didn't understand
[04:38] <onkarshinde> I know that this is not a windows forum, but I have heard on this channel that a particular free antivirus program is best of all. Can someone recall it for me?
[04:38] <wickedpuppy> which part ?
[04:38] <Karhuton> wickedpuppy, after setting root password, using 'su' and other stuff hasn't been a problem..
[04:38] <thoreauputic> shekhar: try hitting "m" on each channel : if you see mm it's muted
[04:38] <Mahasiswa> where am i?
[04:39] <mrstarkweather> How do I log in as the root user???
[04:39] <thoreauputic> Mahasiswa: the ubuntu help channel?
[04:39] <wickedpuppy> Karhuton, .. if you tried other distros .. you know what i mean
[04:39] <Karhuton> wickedpuppy, I have. I don't understand how 'root' is disabled :\
[04:39] <Mahasiswa> and where's evry one..?
[04:39] <roham_> If i wanna update GAIM, can I download the newiest version and just do the ./configure and make ? I dont need to uninstall the old version first?
[04:40] <wickedpuppy> in other distros there is no need to sudo ... just su - and enter the root pass
[04:40] <pef> hi
[04:40] <Karhuton> roham_, if you configure it to install it to /usr/local, then no
[04:40] <thoreauputic> Mahasiswa: there are 483 people in the channel - what do you mean?
[04:40] <Karhuton> wickedpuppy, lol. Sudo is easier to use than su. It's preferred in other distros too
[04:40] <wickedpuppy> real ?
[04:40] <wickedpuppy> up to you
[04:40] <wickedpuppy> i prefer to enter root shell when i do sys config
[04:41] <onkarshinde> Hey Ubutnu users, please help me with a windows question. Which is the best free antivirus for windows?
[04:41] <wickedpuppy> not sudo all my commands
[04:41] <Karhuton> wickedpuppy, I use in .bashrc: alias S='sudo'
[04:41] <wickedpuppy> onkarshinde, try #windows
[04:41] <michele> wickedpuppy, sudo -s
[04:41] <clem_yeats> wickedpuppy: because you are root and you know what to do.
[04:41] <thoreauputic> onkarshinde: how would we know?
[04:41] <Seveas> wickedpuppy, sudo -i
[04:41] <Seveas> (sudo -s is dangerous)
[04:41] <wickedpuppy> oh boy
[04:41] <Belutz> onkarshinde: i use avast :D
[04:41] <gennio> hi
[04:41] <wickedpuppy> but -s gives ya the root env ...
[04:41] <clem_yeats> hi gennio
[04:41] <Mahasiswa> thoreauputic...I get loss...what this place name's..?
[04:41] <Karhuton> wickedpuppy, typing 'sudo' all the time gets annoying. But using an easy alias helps
[04:42] <wickedpuppy> oh nvm ... its OT
[04:42] <Seveas> wickedpuppy, -s does not reset $HOME and $USER
[04:42] <Seveas> -i does
[04:42] <gennio> i don't have conection in ubuntu :S
[04:42] <gennio> :'(
[04:42] <Seveas> (it's logically equivalent to -s -H)
[04:42] <thoreauputic> Mahasiswa: #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
[04:42] <onkarshinde> wickedpuppy: thoreauputic: because I have heard that name on this channel lot many times. Jut unable to recall.
[04:42] <roham_> Karhuton: why local? its the one that comes with Ubuntu... and I think its in /usr/bin
[04:42] <clem_yeats> karhuton: the thing is, one should not have to be root "all the time"
[04:42] <gennio> clem_yeats hi :)
[04:42] <roham_> Karhuton: so I need to uninstall it first?
[04:43] <wickedpuppy> sorry Seveas ... i meant sudo -
[04:43] <wickedpuppy> no s
[04:43] <Karhuton> roham_, it's good to install all locally compiled stuff into /usr/local
[04:43] <gennio> i have router zyxel and target dlink
[04:43] <wickedpuppy> i mean su -
[04:43] <thoreauputic> onkarshinde: AVG perhaps? I don't use windows...
[04:43] <gennio> help me ! :(
[04:43] <Seveas> wickedpuppy, sudo su - works too :D
[04:43] <wickedpuppy> ok i am sleepy .. nites
[04:43] <wickedpuppy> lol
[04:43] <roham_> Karhuton: ok... but it dosnt do it by default right? I need to define it when I do the make?
[04:43] <Karhuton> roham_, depending on your PATH env variable, the binarys in /usr/local/bin are preferred over /usr/bin etc.
[04:44] <Karhuton> roham_, Type "./configure --help" It usually tells you how
[04:44] <Karhuton> roham_, Also ALWAYS read the 'README' or 'INSTALL' files when compiling
[04:44] <Karhuton> roham_, some developers like to use different systems
[04:44] <roham_> karhuton: ok
[04:44] <Karhuton> roham_, but propably ./configure --prefix=/usr/local works
[04:45] <roham_> Karhuton: why dosnt ubuntu put the new gaim version in apt-get?
[04:45] <matthew> On a default Hoary install, what do I need in order to play MP3's?
[04:45] <kemik> roham_: use backports
[04:45] <Karhuton> roham_, then when you want to start the 'new' gaim, just run /usr/local/bin/gaim
[04:45] <kemik> !backports
[04:45] <ubotu> backports are applications with newer versions on a stable distributions. Ubuntu backports can be found in the hoary-backports section
[04:45] <clem_yeats> !xmms-mp3
[04:45] <ubotu> clem_yeats: Are you smoking crack?
[04:45] <clem_yeats> no
[04:45] <clem_yeats> !mp3
[04:45] <ubotu> well, mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[04:45] <Karhuton> roham_, or use a backport :)
[04:45] <gennio> somebody help me ?
[04:45] <roham_> whats backport? :P
[04:46] <Karhuton> Read what 'kemik' wrote, and 'ubotu's' answer
[04:46] <roham_> Karhuton: hehe whats backport ? :P <-newbie
[04:46] <wickedpuppy> !backport
[04:46] <ubotu> backport is probably see !backports
[04:46] <clem_yeats> gennio : wifi link ?
[04:46] <wickedpuppy> !backports
[04:46] <ubotu> backports are applications with newer versions on a stable distributions. Ubuntu backports can be found in the hoary-backports section
[04:46] <roham_> heh dont give me much
[04:46] <gennio> I do not have connection with ubuntu
[04:46] <clem_yeats> gennio : connection to what ?
[04:46] <gennio> clem_yeats no.. router zyxel and target dlink
[04:46] <kemik> !repositories
[04:46] <ubotu> hmm... repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[04:47] <chmuri> hi
[04:47] <gennio> clem_yeats ADSL
[04:47] <clem_yeats> gennio : I don't understand..
[04:47] <chmuri> :)
[04:47] <kemik> roham_: follow that and get the location of hoary-backports
[04:47] <NeoMac> hi everyone
[04:47] <kemik> roham_: did you solve the ethernet-cable issue?
[04:47] <clem_yeats> gennio : you want to access the internet through a wifi adsl router ?
[04:47] <roham_> kemik: yes
[04:47] <kemik> roham_: what was the problem ?
[04:47] <roham_> kemik: its was the interfaces file...
[04:47] <Seveas> roham_, for instance Ubuntu will not upgrade gaim for hoary. If you want a newer version, you can use a backport
[04:47] <NeoMac> enyone help me to install linux on my mac
[04:47] <roham_> kemik: some mapping was not there
[04:48] <chmuri> when 5.10 ubuntu relase??:)
[04:48] <clem_yeats> NeoMac: what's the problem ?
[04:48] <roham_> Seveas: is it on the webpage?
[04:48] <Karhuton> Is there a wiki which explains the repository naming scheme? Universe,multiverse and likes seem odd to an Debian user
[04:48] <kissmemore> hello
[04:48] <NeoMac> i was downloaded the linux operation system on ubuntu
[04:48] <NeoMac> but it doesnt works
[04:48] <roham_> !backports
[04:48] <ubotu> backports are applications with newer versions on a stable distributions. Ubuntu backports can be found in the hoary-backports section
[04:49] <gennio> clem_yeats :S
[04:49] <NeoMac> i use mac os x
[04:49] <clem_yeats> NeoMac : you downloaded the iso file of Ubuntu and burnt a CD with it ?
[04:49] <NeoMac> yes
[04:49] <benjamin1254> neomac u sure ur connection wasent interupted by chance
[04:49] <roham_> I dont get the backports thing :(
[04:49] <clem_yeats> NeoMac: then boot on the CD
[04:49] <volatile_> ok, nomatter what I do
[04:49] <volatile_> mplayer doesn't work on my system :/
[04:49] <NeoMac> boot on cd?
[04:49] <Karhuton> roham_, that's because you don't know how librarys and software versions work
[04:49] <clem_yeats> NeoMac: yes...
[04:50] <NeoMac> how?
[04:50] <NeoMac> :)
[04:50] <clem_yeats> NeoMac: insert the cd in the player, and restart the computer.
[04:50] <Karhuton> roham_, backports means just newer versions of the apps you like made compatible for the older system you're using
[04:50] <NeoMac> yes i do that
[04:50] <roham_> Karhuton: I even dont know if its a webpage or application that show me that info
[04:50] <NeoMac> but it doesnt works
[04:50] <clem_yeats> NeoMac: change the BIOS settings so that your machine boots on the CDROM
[04:50] <kemik> roham_: search for "backports" on the wiki
[04:51] <NeoMac> bios how can i change
[04:51] <gennio> clem_yeats --> 0000:02:0b.0 Ethernet controller: D-Link System Inc RTL8139 Ethernet (rev 10)
[04:51] <clem_yeats> NeoMac : usually F2 or F1 at boot screen
[04:51] <tarvid> tulip driver doesn't do the job on HP laptop, the chipset is an ADMTek Centaur-P, is there a better driver?
[04:51] <clem_yeats> gennio : you want to access the internet through a wifi adsl router ?
[04:51] <NeoMac> hmm but i use mac os x
[04:52] <NeoMac> yes i have adsl
[04:52] <clem_yeats> NeoMac : this has nothing to do with MacOs X
[04:52] <thoreauputic> NeoMac: to boot from CD on a mac hold down "c"
[04:52] <NeoMac> bu i download it for powerpc
[04:52] <NeoMac> i have os 9
[04:52] <clem_yeats> NeoMac : hmm...
[04:52] <NeoMac> yes i know
[04:53] <NeoMac> it doesnt work
[04:53] <clem_yeats> what does it say ?
[04:53] <NeoMac> nothing says
[04:53] <gennio> clem_yeats--->I do not have connection with ubuntu not because. it does not detect the connection to me
[04:53] <NeoMac> it starts os x normaly
[04:53] <clem_yeats> gennio : I repeat my question for the 3rd time..
[04:53] <clem_yeats> gennio : you want to access the internet through a wifi adsl router ?
[04:54] <gennio> clem_yeats no
[04:54] <clem_yeats> gennio : explain what you want to do
[04:54] <soad> can somebody help me? i have ubuntu installation problems?
[04:54] <NeoMac> the system dont see system in cd
[04:54] <clem_yeats> soad: just ask
[04:54] <chmuri> whyes
[04:54] <NeoMac> me too
[04:54] <chmuri> yes soad
[04:54] <chmuri> :) what problem
[04:54] <chmuri> :)
[04:55] <clem_yeats> NeoMac : your CD could have been badly burnt, or your ISO file wrongly downloaded. Try to get a md5sum prog for mac os x and check the quality of your iso file
[04:55] <gennio> clem_yeats-->not ingles. in the Spanish channel nobody helps me
[04:56] <clem_yeats> gennio : Yo hablo espanol
[04:56] <gennio> clem_yeats wuau :)
[04:56] <NeoMac> md5sum where i can find it
[04:56] <clem_yeats> gennio : Tenia mucha suerte :))
[04:56] <Sauron21> Hi....I was wondering if there was anyway I could get a command to run on boot up right before the login screen??
[04:56] <gennio> clem_yeats nadie me ayuda en el espa?ol..
[04:56] <Karhuton> Is there a wiki which explains the repository naming scheme? Universe,multiverse and likes seem odd to an Debian user
[04:56] <gennio> si si
[04:56] <clem_yeats> gennio : pero no hablo bien... solamente un poquito
[04:57] <gennio> clem_yeats jaja mira lo que pasa es que tengo una tarjeta dlink normal.. no es wifi y un router zyxel 645 que me puso la empresa telefonica
[04:57] <NeoMac> hey where i can ffind that program
[04:57] <gennio> pero no me detecta la conexion creo k no le asigna las IP o algo
[04:57] <gennio> :S
[04:57] <Seveas> gennio, please stick to english in here.
[04:57] <francis> please help !!! how do i disable the lines that follow when windows r minimized in ubuntu 5.04
[04:57] <displague> gmoore: you are also using debian/ubuntu - so much of the work is already done for you -- and debian/ubuntu have preferences to where these changes should go -- like in /etc/apache2/conf.d or in the mods-blah dires
[04:58] <gennio> Seveas sorry
[04:58] <kissmemore> hello
[04:59] <kissmemore> who call help me
[04:59] <francis> please help !!! how do i disable the lines that follow when windows r minimized in ubuntu 5.04
[04:59] <kissmemore> Help Me
[04:59] <Seveas> francis, Set the gconf key /apps/metacity/general/reduced_resources to true with gconf-editor
[04:59] <Seveas> !helpme
[04:59] <ubotu> If you don't actually ask a question, we can not actually help you.
[04:59] <Seveas> ^-- kissmemore
[04:59] <kissmemore> en
[04:59] <Ng> Seveas: it did ask a question ;)
[05:00] <francis> Seveas, let me try that
[05:00] <mojo333> Is anyone here using openbox?
[05:01] <alex__> everytime I reboot my machine I have to change the DNS address in my network configuration
[05:01] <Seveas> Ng, i saw none...
[05:01] <alex__> I use a DHCP server and the DNS address is set to 192.168.0.1
[05:01] <alex__> that makes sense since my router is going to provide the gateway to the dns server
[05:02] <alex__> but still it does not work
[05:02] <Ng> Seveas: ah well
[05:02] <Seveas> alex__, if your router is not a dns server it makes no sense :)
[05:02] <alex__> it has to be in the dns field of my Network configuration
[05:02] <mojo333> ... does anyone use any window managers besides metacity and openbox?
[05:02] <alex__> Seveas: my router provide an dns IP
[05:03] <arphetic> Anyone can help me with my sound support problems?
[05:03] <thoreauputic> mojo333: sure, I use fluxbox (but stand alone, not with gnome)
[05:03] <alex__> so I guess the fact to have the IP of the router in my DNS settings, means "ask the router" that will ask the dns server
[05:03] <mojo333> will it work with gnome?
[05:03] <Seveas> alex__, I've seen nothing but probles using such a setup with my router :)
[05:04] <alex__> what do you mean ?
[05:04] <thoreauputic> mojo333: I don't know - never tried it with gnome
[05:04] <b2s> mojo333: xfce is the best! :)
[05:04] <alex__> I first started to put the dns IP in the ubuntu settings but each time I reboot it get erase and replace by the IP of my router ?
[05:04] <alex__> !
[05:04] <ubotu> alex__: What?
[05:05] <alex__> ubotu: my ISP has provided me with an dns IP address
[05:05] <ubotu> alex__: Do they come in packets of five?
[05:05] <alex__> packet of five ?
[05:05] <srijith> that was funny alex__ and ubotu :)
[05:05] <thoreauputic> alex__: it's a bot (ubotu)
[05:05] <setite> how do i check my cpu speed
[05:05] <setite> cat something
[05:05] <gilv> is it possible to read camera memory card on ubuntu ? (i put the memory card into my computer but nothing happend)
[05:05] <alex__> ah
[05:05] <alex__> of course
[05:05] <lpk> http://tohveli.net/opera.reg
[05:05] <lpk> ARGH
[05:06] <lpk> Sorry! Wrong paste! :(
[05:06] <alex__> so how can I do to avoid resetting the dns in my settings each time I reboot
[05:06] <srijith> gilv, you used a USB card reader to "put the memory card"?
[05:06] <alex__> how can I prevent the daemon to overwrite it
[05:06] <setite> found it
[05:07] <clem_yeats> alex__: your daemon writes in /etc/resolv.conf ?
[05:07] <gilv> srijith: no my computer already has a place (socket?) to put it in
[05:07] <Seveas> alex__, edit /etc/dhcp/dhclient/conf
[05:07] <srijith> alex__, late comer to the conversation, but isn't the dns setting usually filled in by your dhcpclient
[05:07] <osfa> aaarrrgghhh!
[05:07] <Seveas> don't make it request domain-name-server and add a line to append your own
[05:07] <osfa> Has anyone got any pointers (heh) for my touchpad problem?
[05:07] <osfa> whereby mouse-up is interpreted as mouse-click after moving the pointer clickly
[05:07] <osfa> oops
[05:08] <osfa> quickly even :-)
[05:08] <srijith> gilv, cd /media .. do you see any possiblly connected directories?
[05:08] <gilv> srijith: no, only the cdrom
[05:08] <Tycho> I'm trying to compile dosbox, but have trouble setting the PATH variable to my newly compiled SDL libraries. Can someone help me?
[05:08] <srijith> gilv: and /mnt ?
[05:09] <gilv> srijith: neither
[05:09] <srijith> hmm.. do you know for a fact that ubuntu had the drivers for your reader?
[05:09] <srijith> what kind of a machine do you have?
[05:09] <alex__> srijith: yes that is true but ubuntu apparently do not use it
[05:10] <clem_yeats> tycho : did you try ldconfig
[05:10] <WaterSevenUb> can anyone tell me how in GNOME terminal shells we can put a bell (like in Kde) warning that something changed in that shell? I'm using hoary
[05:10] <michele> gilv, open the users and groups admin panel
[05:10] <gilv> srijith: i have an hp pavilion, i don't know if ubuntu has the driver for the card driver
[05:10] <srijith> gilv: the 6in1 reader?
[05:11] <srijith> gilv: as far as I know Ubuntu does not support that reader
[05:11] <clem_yeats> gilv : http://www.linux-laptop.net/
[05:11] <gilv> srijith: i don't know, it's a multi card reader
[05:11] <srijith> alex__: which file btw are you looking at for your dns settings?
[05:12] <francis_> Seveas, hey sorry i got dc my battrey went low
[05:12] <michele> the hal user needs to be added to the plugdev group. it wasn't in my installation
[05:12] <michele> for the card reader I mean
[05:12] <francis_> Seveas, thanks a lot worked like a charm
[05:12] <Seveas> :)
[05:12] <Seveas> nice
[05:12] <alex__> srijith: I use the GUI but now I will try to write directly in the /etc/resolv.conf
[05:12] <gilv> michele: so you think it should work ?
[05:12] <Tycho> clem_yeats: I just tryed it. Still doesn't work. Maybe something went wrong compilind SDL. Is there a way to verify?
[05:12] <pitti> gilv, michele: oh, you installed a normal system and hal didn't have the correct groups?
[05:12] <francis_> Seveas, could u help me configure the firewall [ firestater ]
[05:13] <srijith> alex: asking because my dhclient call updates the resolv.conf file properly, nicely
[05:13] <michele> pitti, yes
[05:13] <francis_> Seveas, and how reliable is it
[05:13] <clem_yeats> tycho : did you try installing from the packages ?
[05:13] <michele> gilv, if the reader is a normal mass-storage, yes
[05:13] <pitti> michele: that's odd - how did you install? breezy, hoary upgrade, etc.?
[05:13] <gilv> pitti: i don't understand the question
[05:13] <srijith> alex__, could it be your dhcp server?
[05:13] <Seveas> francis_, what do you need the firewall for? (it's very reliable)
[05:13] <michele> pitti, hoary, from scratch iirc
[05:13] <pitti> gilv: automounting doesn't work for you?
[05:13] <gilv> michele: could you tell me how to make it work ?
[05:13] <gilv> pitti: it should work, can i check it somewhere ?
[05:14] <francis_> Seveas, just to get my machine secure
[05:14] <pitti> gilv: nevermind, I just saw michele talking to you about hal groups
[05:14] <Bryan29556> I got some files in my trash that will not empty using the GUI (using ubuntu, gnome), anyone know the syntax from doing it from the terminal?
[05:14] <alex__> srijith: well it works fine with my two other box
[05:14] <Seveas> francis_, it's secure by default :)
[05:14] <francis_> Seveas, i just tryed it but i blocked all traffice
[05:14] <Tycho> clem_yeats: Couldn't find a amd64 package
[05:14] <francis_> Seveas, blacked all traffic
[05:15] <srijith> michele: you got the HP laptop card reader to work? Hm.. that has got my attention..
[05:15] <michele> srijith, no. that's an external usb one. don't have hp
[05:15] <Corvus> hi
[05:16] <srijith> michele: gilv was talking of the internal one
[05:16] <clem_yeats> tycho : oh ok.
[05:16] <Seveas> srijith, the sd card readers in HP laptops have no linux drivers
[05:16] <clem_yeats> tycho : so you did : make and make install
[05:16] <srijith> Seveas: so I thought too..
[05:16] <michele> or better
[05:16] <Tycho> clem_yeats: ./configure; make; make install yes
[05:16] <gilv> srijith, michele: yes, that's an internal multi-card driver
[05:17] <clem_yeats> tycho : where did it put your library files ?
[05:17] <gilv> srijith, michele: most of new laptops have it now
[05:17] <mojo333> can anyone tell me where to change the metacity themes?
[05:17] <srijith> gilv: I think you are out of luck in that.. no linux driver for that.. I am stuck with one too myself on my nc6120
[05:17] <francis_> hey could some help me configure the firewall [ firestater ] i tried and it blocked all traffice
[05:17] <Tycho> clem_yeats: Somewhere in my home directory
[05:18] <gilv> srijith: do you think it will take time before having it on ubuntu ?
[05:18] <thoreauputic> francis_: did you usethe wizard?
[05:18] <francis_> thoreauputic, i did
[05:18] <srijith> gilv: I have no idea... am not too optimistic
[05:18] <Tycho> clem_yeats: /home/tycho/Spiele/SDL-1.2.8 to be exact
[05:18] <clem_yeats> tycho : ok that's not the place where you want them.
[05:18] <francis_> thoreauputic, but i did not create any rules for me
[05:18] <thoreauputic> francis_: hmm - works here but I'm using dialup
[05:19] <clem_yeats> tycho : but it doesn't matter for now.
[05:19] <yhonatan> can i get help about gnome in this channel?
[05:19] <yhonatan> (i use ubuntu..)
[05:19] <Tycho> clem_yeats: Ok, where should I put them?
[05:19] <francis_> thoreauputic, me too
[05:19] <clem_yeats> tycho : leave them here for the moment
[05:19] <Tycho> clem_yeats: Ok
[05:19] <francis_> thoreauputic, connected using my GPRS
[05:19] <clem_yeats> tycho : open the file /etc/ld.so.conf
[05:19] <thoreauputic> francis_: wereyou online when you configured it?
[05:19] <francis_> thoreauputic, no
[05:20] <Tycho> clem_yeats: done
[05:20] <clem_yeats> tycho : at the bottom of the file, add the directory : /home/tycho/Spiele/SDL-1.2.8
[05:20] <francis_> thoreauputic, should i try to d it again
[05:20] <yhonatan> can i change Applications Places System to other words?
[05:20] <thoreauputic> francis_: ah GPRS... I know nothing about that, sorry - but try running it while online
[05:20] <clem_yeats> tycho : that tells it where to find the libs
[05:20] <clem_yeats> tycho : then save the file, and run "ldconfig"
[05:20] <francis_> thoreauputic, gprs is like dial up .. just that its from a cell phone
[05:20] <Tycho> clem_yeats: Done
[05:20] <thoreauputic> francis_: it should recognise the device you are connecte to the internet with
[05:20] <clem_yeats> tycho : that updates the lib path.
[05:21] <thoreauputic> *connected
[05:21] <Tycho> clem_yeats: ./configure has still problems finding them
[05:21] <francis_> thoreauputic, it does
[05:21] <Corvus> anyone can tell me abotu a good proxy server ?
[05:21] <thoreauputic> francis_: well here it configures ppp0 and connection sharing (NAT)
[05:21] <clem_yeats> what's in /home/tycho/Spiele/SDL-1.2.8 ?
[05:22] <francis_> thoreauputic, i am using ppp0 myself
[05:22] <Tycho> clem_yeats: The source (and the compiled libraries I hope)
[05:22] <francis_> thoreauputic, but how do i create the rules
[05:22] <yhonatan> some one?:\
[05:22] <thoreauputic> francis_: most likely you chose some inappropriate option - the defaults are pretty much all you need IIRC
[05:23] <thoreauputic> francis_: why do you need a firewall?
[05:23] <francis_> thoreauputic, could u please show me what ur policyies look like
[05:24] <francis_> thoreauputic, i manage the college network and we r not getting a broadband internet connection
[05:24] <Tycho> clem_yeats: I'm not sure where make install put the libraries or even how linux libraries would look like
[05:24] <francis_> thoreauputic, i want to secure the lan which works on windows
[05:24] <thoreauputic> ah
[05:25] <thoreauputic> francis_: if you are protecting a college lan why don't you use a dedicated box with smoothwall or ipcop?
[05:26] <francis_> thoreauputic, NO MACHINES TO SPARE
[05:26] <francis_> thoreauputic, can i use it on my linux box itself
[05:26] <thoreauputic> francis_: you can install it on an old box froma dumpster ;)
[05:27] <thoreauputic> francis_: smoothie or ipcop needs a dedicated box - but it can be an old one
[05:27] <francis_> thoreauputic, so which one do u sugest smoothwall or the ipcop ??
[05:27] <thoreauputic> francis_: they are very similar (ipcop is a fork of smoothwall)
[05:27] <alex__> it works Thansk Seveas
[05:28] <francis_> thoreauputic, o ok .... thanks for that
[05:28] <thoreauputic> francis_: smoothwall is the original - there's a GPL version
[05:28] <selinium> hi thoreauputic
[05:29] <thoreauputic> francis: you'll need two nics in that box IIRC
[05:29] <selinium> Anyone here any good with bluetooth?
[05:29] <thoreauputic> selinium: greetings :)
[05:29] <Seveas> yw alex__
[05:30] <_rolando> hi
[05:30] <_rolando> do i have to edit some file to get new repositories?
[05:30] <francis_> thoreauputic, hey can i use it on the linux box which i am using to share my internet connection .. no one will be using it
[05:30] <thoreauputic> francis_: not really, unless you don't mind wiping the whole hard drive for it
[05:31] <thoreauputic> francis_: smoothwall uses the whole drive
[05:31] <kemik> !tell _rolando about repositories
[05:32] <thoreauputic> francis_: in other words the smoothie box is *purely* a firewall/router
[05:32] <D-N-A> Hi : yesterday i downloaded ubuntu on my hard drive " i lost 34 gigas of my drive for this damn installion" plz i wanna instal ubuntu on my pc with my windows system , in one drive of linux not the wohole hard drive. plz any one help and guide me to the instalion
[05:33] <Tycho> Does anyone know what to apt-get install if I want the SDL libraries?
[05:33] <dk156_> MoronousExtremis here Somehow I removed/deleted my workspace icon/chooser on my taskbar! doi! any help - cant seem to find it
[05:33] <francis_> thoreauputic, o ok .. then i think i will stick with the ubuntu firewall an work on configuring it coz there r no free boxes
[05:33] <thoreauputic> francis_: http://www.smoothwall.org/
[05:33] <kemik> Tycho: apt-cache search sdl
[05:33] <Tycho> kemik: Thanks
[05:34] <kemik> Tycho: or even "libsdl"
[05:34] <D-N-A> ?
[05:35] <francis_> thoreauputic, hey also wheni connect using putty from windows to the ssh server y do i get a 10 second delay when for it to ask me for the password
[05:35] <thoreauputic> francis_: no idea, sorry - never used putty and I don't have windows here
[05:35] <candyban> Hi guys ...
[05:36] <candyban> I think I'm going nuts ... I can't seem to get "midi" to work on my Linux box
[05:36] <candyban> I have an SB Live ...
[05:36] <thoreauputic> candyban: heheh - it isn't trivial...
[05:36] <Seveas> candyban, installed timidity & freepats?
[05:36] <thoreauputic> Seveas: that's my line!
[05:36] <thoreauputic> ;)
[05:36] <D-N-A> i wanna select one drive on my hard device to download ubuntu on it
[05:37] <candyban> Seveas: yeah, but that's not "real" midi ...
[05:37] <D-N-A> plzzz help !
[05:37] <francis_> thoreauputic, how long have u been into linux
[05:37] <thoreauputic> francis: about 3 years
[05:37] <francis_> thoreauputic, cool
[05:37] <Seveas> candyban, true...
[05:37] <candyban> thoreauputic: It used to work perfectly on Mandrake 7.1 (with my AWE64) back in the days ... just run sndconfig and everything worked like a charm
[05:38] <Seveas> But it's the limit of my midi knowledge..
[05:38] <francis_> thoreauputic, i have been working with it for abt 6 months now and i must say LiNuX RoCkS
[05:38] <kemik> D-N-A: download the iso, burn to cd... partitiion your drive so you have a free partition for ubuntu. reboot computer from CD and install
[05:38] <candyban> I can't imagine 5 of 6 years later it's impossible to get the same type of card to work ...
[05:38] <thoreauputic> candyban: yeah - I have a crappy onboard sound card here ;)
[05:38] <thoreauputic> candyban: getting midi to work on my card was ... interesting
[05:38] <selinium> candyban: have you got the soundfonts?
[05:38] <candyban> thoreauputic, I have that too ... but I thought (hoped/expected?) to have my SB Live working properly
[05:39] <candyban> selinium: yeah ... I can play it with timidity ... but not with e.g. kmid and other players
[05:39] <D-N-A> i'm already partioned my drive with ntfs for windows i don't want to loss any inform. again just i wanna download it on my drive with windows system which i downloaded before like slackware and lilo
[05:39] <D-N-A> :)
[05:39] <thoreauputic> francis_: welcome to the Free World ;-)
[05:39] <candyban> selinium: I thought the soundcard had it's own sound-fonts?
[05:39] <selinium> using freepats? or have you downloaded some soundfonts?
[05:40] <candyban> selinium: freepats
[05:40] <dk156_> Q:) where does a noob go to find out where to re-install the "workspace" choose icon in th taskbar?
[05:40] <Seveas> dk156_, rightclick on the taskbar and click on add to taskbar
[05:40] <thoreauputic> dk156: the noob right clicks the panel and chooses the applet from th list ;)
[05:40] <Seveas> and select workspace changer (someting like that) in the window that appears
[05:41] <francis_> thoreauputic, yea men linux is the future .. already branded computers for commercial purposes are coming with linux .. its rules and is amazing .. the possiblities r endless
[05:41] <selinium> candyban: i beleive the soundfonts are bundled in the drivers. but as the drivers are not proprietory you don't get them.
[05:41] <D-N-A> understand :)
[05:41] <dk156_> Danka! Zer Gut!
[05:41] <candyban> selinium: but when I try to play a midi it says some devices are not mapped and therefor cannot be heared ... I mean come on ... how come all this stuff worked with 1 simple command for a n00b 5 years ago ... and now (with 5 years of Linux experience under my belt) I can't get it to work in what is considdered today to be the most user-friendly distro?
[05:42] <candyban> This is just surreal (to me)
[05:42] <dk156_> I've got alot 2 learn
[05:42] <Karhuton> dk156, 'to'
[05:42] <thoreauputic> candyban: I agree - ubuntu's midi support is lacking IMO
[05:42] <dk156_> yes sir
[05:43] <selinium> candyban: I think, that midi has fallen of the 'to do' list. It is considered to be a minority subject and therefore not bundled from the begining. :(
[05:43] <selinium> IMHO
[05:43] <norman> hallo?
[05:44] <thoreauputic> selinium: as in "Midi is *So* 1999" ? <grin>
[05:44] <candyban> selinium: Most websites which use sounds are midi files ... karaoke files are also midi files ...
[05:44] <D-N-A> plz help isn't it a help channel
[05:44] <concept10> MIDI in linux is a pain, you cant expect for the distro to be tailored to it, there are distros out there for it
[05:44] <Karhuton> thoreauputic, more like 1990
[05:44] <francis_> D-N-A, WHATS UP
[05:44] <concept10> he means playing MIDI through a website?
[05:44] <D-N-A> yesterday i downloaded ubuntu on my hard drive " i lost 34 gigas of my drive for this damn installion" plz i wanna instal ubuntu on my pc with my windows system , in one drive of linux not the wohole hard drive. plz any one help and guide me to the instalion
[05:44] <candyban> thoreauputic: doesn't matter if it's 1999 or 1990 ... It used to work and now it doesn't anymore ... I thought Linux was progressing ...
[05:45] <thoreauputic> Karhuton: right - but as candyban says - still is used a lot
[05:45] <D-N-A> i'm already partioned my drive with ntfs for windows i don't want to loss any inform. again just i wanna download it on my drive with windows system which i downloaded before like slackware and lilo
[05:45] <Karhuton> thoreauputic, Where? It's been a while I last heard a midi play on my computer :)
[05:45] <fatcap> after i install new packages, how do i make the programs and stuff show up in my panel list thing
[05:45] <thoreauputic> candyban: hrm - that was intended as sarcasm....
[05:45] <Karhuton> thoreauputic, Maybe some simple SDL game..
any help
[05:45] <ficoc> 7join #ubuntu-de
[05:45] <norman> how can i modifiy the size of the buttons (i think they are too big) in ubuntu gnome
[05:45] <clem_yeats> D-N-A : you need to partition your drive.
[05:45] <D-N-A> why i patrtion it
[05:46] <D-N-A> partion it
[05:46] <rolando_> i dont know if you read my q
[05:46] <francis_> D-N-A, u need to whatr ur partitions like
[05:46] <rolando_> what is the root password?
[05:46] <Karhuton> thoreauputic, And nin my opinion, any website that uses MIDI-sounds, isn't really worth visiting :)
[05:46] <Ng> rolando_: there is no root password, use sudo
[05:46] <thoreauputic> Karhuton: we move in different spaces :) have you loked at rosegarden4 ? You can use it to write music
[05:46] <srijith> is there a dummies guide on creating ubuntu packages?
[05:46] <concept10> candyban, just because you cant get something to work doesnt mean linux isnt progressing
[05:46] <francis_> D-N-A, what r ur partitions like
[05:46] <D-N-A> when i downloaded slackware i just slelct the drive and slackware downloaded then it work with my ex.windows system
[05:46] <Karhuton> thoreauputic, Haven't looked into it
[05:46] <fatcap> !root
[05:46] <ubotu> root is probably disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[05:46] <selinium> thoreauputic: have you install rosegarden?
[05:47] <candyban> concept10: if it USED to work and now it doesn't, that's a bad sign in my book
[05:47] <D-N-A> it;s all formats by ntfs
[05:47] <thoreauputic> Karhuton: well, it's quite a sophisticated app
[05:47] <thoreauputic> selinium: yes
[05:47] <rolando_> no root that is weird
[05:47] <Ng> srijith: look at debian developer docs, or maybe there's something in the wiki
[05:47] <clem_yeats> D-N-A : you need to buy a linux book...
[05:47] <concept10> candyban, what USED to work
[05:47] <Ng> rolando_: it's good :)
[05:47] <candyban> concept10: midi
[05:47] <francis_> hey does anyone have to link to a site that explains how repositories work
[05:47] <selinium> thoreauputic: i may need to bug you about getting it wotking on my pc! :
stop joking ok
[05:47] <srijith> Ng: thanks
[05:47] <D-N-A> i just need help
[05:47] <clem_yeats> D-N-A : I'm serious.
[05:48] <rolando_> Ng: but does every password work with sudo?
[05:48] <concept10> candyban, what are you _specifically_ talking about. Sequencing? Playing midi through a website?
[05:48] <Karhuton> rolando_, type: "sudo passwd" if you need to login as root for some reason
[05:48] <thoreauputic> selinium: sure - but some other time :) It's nearly 2 am here!
[05:48] <clem_yeats> D-N-A : you need to understand what partitions, OSes, filesystems are before you go and install linux.
[05:48] <Ng> rolando_: when you run something with sudo it asks for your password, but only works for people with sudo access
[05:48] <fatcap> its like swimming in a shallow pool
[05:48] <Ng> rolando_: which you can control in the user administration tool in Ubuntu
[05:48] <selinium> thoreauptic: np I remember the last time i tries to get it working it was a bit of a pain.... to say the least!
[05:48] <fatcap> i say you should dive right in
[05:48] <rolando_> Karhuton: thats the command to set the roor pass?
[05:49] <rolando_> ok
[05:49] <candyban> concept10: Yeah, just playing a friggin midi-file ... with the proper device (not some software midi2wav converter which plays on the pcm device)
[05:49] <Karhuton> rolando_, Yeah. It runs "passwd" as root. Running passwd as yourself sets your own password
[05:49] <francis_> hey does anyone have to link to a site that explains how repositories work
[05:49] <thoreauputic> time to leep methinks - night all :)
[05:49] <Karhuton> rolando_, but I still suggest using sudo when ever you can
[05:49] <thoreauputic> *sleeep
[05:49] <Ng> rolando_: unless you really need to, don't set a root password though
[05:49] <D-N-A> i just ask : what i can do to see all my partion in the installion window to select a drive to download the system
[05:49] <candyban> concept10: "kmid" => Could not open /dev/sequencer (although I have snd-emu10k1-synth loaded)
[05:49] <Karhuton> Ng, what about single user mode?
[05:50] <Ng> Karhuton: what about it?
[05:50] <concept10> candyban, maybe you should do some research.
[05:50] <Karhuton> Ng, requires root password
[05:50] <Ng> Karhuton: no it doesn't
[05:50] <francis_> hey does anyone have to link to a site that explains how repositories work
[05:50] <rolando_> ok, now who is right?
[05:50] <concept10> !repositories
[05:50] <ubotu> methinks repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:50] <Ng> Karhuton: pick the recovery boot menu option, it won't ask anything
[05:50] <Karhuton> Ng, I'd remember it asking for root password or ctrl+d
[05:50] <grogoreo> hi
[05:50] <setite> how do i turn off my laptop mouse
[05:50] <dk156_> the bot speaks
[05:50] <D-N-A> if i repartion my device i will loss every thing and the windows xp system
[05:50] <setite> i disabled it int he xorg and couldnt boot x
[05:50] <Ng> Karhuton: it will probably do that after you set a password or if you boot a regular debian machine, but not a default ubuntu install
[05:51] <thoreauputic> candyban: run timidity in server mode << final hint before I fall asleep
[05:51] <fatcap> how do i make the packages i installed show up in my menu
[05:51] <Karhuton> Ng, how is recovery different?
[05:51] <setite> it makes typing impossible
[05:51] <Ng> Karhuton: it's not :)
[05:51] <setite> in windows you couold set a threshold so your palm didnt get sensed
[05:51] <clem_yeats> D-N-A : you will loose everything anyway eventually if all your files are on the same partition as your windows system.
[05:51] <francis_> concept10, i was wondering what was main , universe ???
[05:51] <Karhuton> Ng, it came up when I used "single" parameter to default kernel in lilo
[05:51] <Karhuton> And I had set the root password prior to that
[05:51] <Ng> Karhuton: that's why
[05:52] <concept10> fatcap, if they didnt add, you could add them yourself with smeg
[05:52] <Ng> you'd set a password
[05:52] <francis_> concept10, wanetd to understand what that stuff is all about
[05:52] <Ng> if you don't, it can't ask you for one :)
[05:52] <Karhuton> Ng, ok
[05:52] <Karhuton> Ng, how is root login disabled, then?
[05:52] <candyban> concept10: I already did ... I'm just shocked at this point that Mandrake 7.1 (1998 !!) back in the days could just run sndconfig and everything worked fine ... now 7 years later, tons of development hours, millions of end-users later, it should be "investigated" how it could be made to work?
[05:52] <grogoreo> I'm trying to run ardour and have installed Jackd with qjackctl to start it. but when it starts it says something about the Alsa sequencer and "could not connect to JACK server as client"
[05:52] <Ng> Karhuton: it's disabled by not having a password :)
[05:52] <Karhuton> Ng, getty uses MD5 of 'null' when you don't enter a password?
[05:53] <D-N-A> why didn't the ubunyo diplays my drives in my hard device it's only said you have 40 giga and this my hole device
[05:53] <francis_> concept10, abd hey whats backports
[05:53] <candyban> thoreauputic: I want it to play on /dev/sequencer ... not /dev/pcm ... kmid (karaoke) and all other applications use /dev/sequencer
[05:53] <clem_yeats> N-D-A: backup your files. Delete everything. Create 4 partitions (ext3, swap, ntfs, fat), put linux in the ext3, windows in the ntfs and your files back in the fat one.
[05:53] <Ng> Karhuton: no idea, probably. It's more likely that root is disabled with the passwd file, I think you can stick a * as the password and disable the user
[05:53] <concept10> francis, they are just different categories for free, non-free, security updates, etc. Backports is patching stable software with new changes
[05:54] <thoreauputic> candyban: all I know is tht running timidity as a server enables kmid to connect on port 128
[05:54] <setite> no one knows how to disable my synaptics touchpad internal mouse??? or set the sensitivity to like not sense anythign?
[05:54] <Ng> setite: is your other mouse USB or PS2?
[05:55] <concept10> candyban, Im sorry, I dont mess with MIDI in linux, MIDI is tough enough in windows, you should try to goto a site like Planet CCRMA
[05:55] <thoreauputic> candyban: the options are in man timidity - now i really have to sleep: good luck
[05:55] <pmjdebruijn> lo all
[05:55] <pmjdebruijn> does anybody here own a Socket A Sempron?
[05:55] <setite> ng usb
[05:55] <hopeng> how to use 5.1 speakers in ubuntu ?
[05:56] <hopeng> how to see startup process ? i want to disable some
[05:56] <Ng> setite: you could put "alias psmouse off" in /etc/modprobe.d/local - that would disable the kernel module that accesses ps2 and touchpad devices, or there are some tools for synaptic pads that might let you control it (that would be better)
[05:56] <setite> oooh where could i get the synaptics tool
[05:56] <Ng> setite: fire up synaptic (the package manager) and search for synaptic
[05:56] <Ng> handy how they have the same name ;)
[05:57] <candyban> concept10: I've never had problems with midi on windows (though I must admit, last time I ran windows was 2001)
[05:57] <setite> haha synaptic in synaptic
[05:57] <setite> yep... ones evil though
[05:57] <alie> hi how to add gcc to my $path
[05:57] <alie> there is not compiler in my path
[05:57] <setite> id rather have that little stick
[05:57] <Ng> alie: install the build-essentials package
[05:57] <reiki_work> wow... been doing a LOT of reading. It *looks* like getting spamassassin worling with evolution is simply a matter of creating a filter in evolution once you have spamassassin installed. That appears to be the *simplest* way to get it working. As a newbie I volunteer to test this when I get home from work! :)
[05:57] <eliphas_> install gcc from synaptic
[05:57] <alie> i did but that is not going in path
[05:58] <Karhuton> Ng, /sbin/sulogin apparently prompts for the passwrod
[05:58] <alie> Ng, i am trying to install apache and getting an error that no compiler found
[05:58] <Ng> Karhuton: ?
[05:58] <Ng> alie: why aren't you installing apache from ubuntu's archives? no need to compile it normally
[05:58] <Karhuton> Ng, it propably checks for non-existent root password
[05:59] <Karhuton> Ng, and doesn't ask if it isn't there
[05:59] <alie> Ng, yes i know but this is part of learning and i need to compile it
[05:59] <Karhuton> It has strings like "no entry for root" and "root password garbled"
[05:59] <setite> hey where did it go
[05:59] <Ng> alie: then install build-essential
[05:59] <reiki_work> I don't want to learn how to assemble the engine of my car. I just want to DRIVE it! :)
[06:00] <alie> oh you mean build-essential is the name of the package ?
[06:00] <Ng> yeah
[06:00] <Karhuton> reiki_work, yeah but there's some issues when you're trying to learn a car after using a bicycle from Microsoft
[06:00] <reiki_work> ok... time for a walk by the lake... bbiab. I *love* this job...
[06:00] <Ng> it is a task package that will pull in things like gcc
[06:00] <francis_> concept10, hey how do i get my a giam chat window to blink when its minimized and i get a message
[06:00] <alie> Ng, thanks for the help man
[06:00] <Ng> np
[06:00] <Karhuton> *learn to drive a car
[06:00] <francis_> hey how do i get my a giam chat window to blink when its minimized and i get a message
[06:00] <deufo> does anyone know if xfce mail checker works with thunderbird?
[06:01] <alie> Ng, thanks for the help ;)
[06:01] <concept10> francis, that is a gnome thing, im not sure.
[06:01] <Ng> alie: :)
[06:01] <reiki_work> Karhuton: valid point... I compiled kernels back when I first tried slackware.. I don't feel the need any more :) Especially since Ubuntu is designed to make my life easier... not harder
[06:01] <Karhuton> deufo, xfce mail checker propably uses POP/IMAP or local mail account
[06:01] <deufo> Karhuton, i thought it checks a directory
[06:02] <reiki_work> ok... walk time
[06:02] <Karhuton> deufo, it has nothing to do with Thunderbird.
[06:02] <deufo> Karhuton, then how does xfce mail checker work?
[06:02] <Karhuton> deufo, if you use unix mail with fetchmail, then it should work
[06:02] <Bags> Noob needing help installing Opera and then Java for it. Any takers?
[06:02] <deufo> Karhuton, wat if i connect to a remote server
[06:03] <Karhuton> deufo, But if you use Thunderbird to connect your ISP's POP/IMAP server, forget the mail checker if ti doesn't support POP/IMAP
[06:03] <deufo> Karhuton, thanks
[06:03] <l0s3rk1d> why ubuntu?
[06:03] <concept10> !tell Bags about Java
[06:03] <selinium> any bluetooth users out there?
[06:04] <highvoltage> selinium: i'm sure there are.
[06:04] <concept10> Bags, to intstall Opera, download the package and use dpkg -i operapackagename
[06:04] <l0s3rk1d> is ubuntu portage?
[06:06] <setite> hey
[06:06] <setite> i installed the synaptics app... and told it to turn off the touchpad
[06:06] <setite> but its still on
[06:06] <setite> need to restart you think?
[06:06] <user1_> modprobe ndiswrapper FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.12-6-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[06:07] <user1_> anyone seen and fixed this error?
[06:07] <chrissturm> user1, sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[06:08] <user1_> chrissturm: its from a root terminal
[06:08] <concept10> candyban, look at this page http://demudi.agnula.org/
[06:08] <Bags> Um...
[06:09] <concept10> user1, what do you get whe trying to use sudo?
[06:09] <tombs> hi ppl
[06:10] <user1_> concept10: same error
[06:10] <concept10> user1_, did you compile this yourself? Looks like you have the wrong version.
[06:11] <agraupe> I'm having some trouble with unmet dependencies with apt-get. I installed a version of elinks not in the repository, and it caused a whole bunch of problems. dependencies weren't met, but it installed anyway, and now apt-get refuses to install anything. it suggests running "apt-get -f install", but that wants to remove some important sounding packages like ubuntu-base. is there any way I can fix it?
[06:11] <grogoreo> what do i have to shutdown to use Jackd, using ALSA
[06:11] <user1_> concept10: I did compile this myself, which version should I have? I'm using ndiswrapper 1.2
[06:11] <concept10> user1_, I would try 1.1 because I know it works.
[06:12] <oferet> hello
[06:12] <oferet> I gots questions
[06:12] <vortec_> hi, i just upgraded from hoary to breezy, and after a reboot xorg wouldn't start. my gfx card is "Intel Corp. Mobile Graphics Controller" (says lspci). any idea what i could do?
[06:13] <darkheart> vortec_ try dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server or something like that.
[06:13] <concept10> agraupe, I believe you may do that without any problem, I think ubuntu-base metapackage, post your output somewhere
[06:13] <agraupe> concept10: I will post it in #flood
[06:13] <concept10> !paste
[06:13] <ubotu> paste is probably please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[06:13] <concept10> there is bette
[06:15] <w0rmz> how do i check daemon status in ubuntu?
[06:16] <sandino> hello all
[06:16] <w0rmz> chkconfig ?
[06:17] <agraupe> concept10: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1367
[06:18] <w0rmz> anyobdy ?
[06:18] <alex__> can someone tell me something about the esd sound ? I have tried to installed and run pd but it does not start (Segmentation fault), on the pd mailing list, it is question of a ubuntu bug related to the esd sound
[06:18] <alex__> what is the esd sound ?
[06:19] <agraupe> concept10: any ideas?
[06:20] <oferet> I am installing Ubuntu, as we speak. I've tried to install it a couple of times already however, unsuccessfully. So I am going to try to post questions here for the installation process
[06:20] <oferet> there should be someone who'd help right ?!
[06:21] <oferet> first question. I have a router through which my whole network is connected. But Ubuntu says that the network is probably not using DHCP protocol, while I know it does
[06:21] <oferet> suggestions ?
[06:22] <zAo^> tried "sudo dhclient eth0" ?
[06:22] <oferet> I do ont know that is
[06:22] <oferet> I am newbie sort a speak
[06:22] <pfp> zAo^: you probably wont need sudo on the installation system
[06:22] <zAo^> it tries to get an IP by DHCP
[06:23] <oferet> yep
[06:23] <oferet> but it cannot find it
[06:23] <concept10> agraupe, is that apt-get install -f?
[06:23] <reiki_work> oferet: check your router and see if it is only allowing a limited range of IPs for dhcp configuration. I'm a newbie too and using a LinkSys router my Ubuntu install was configured correctly by dhcp
[06:23] <clem_yeats> dhcp... pfff.
[06:23] <brg> With a very large mp3 collection, rhythmbox tend to be very very slow when searching and starting up. Any other players doing better?
[06:23] <sambagirl> oferet i had the same problem.
[06:24] <Bags> concept10, Well, I did that. Installed the package.
[06:24] <Bags> Now what?
[06:24] <Bags> concept10, Now what?
[06:24] <oferet> the router I have is not linsys
[06:24] <oferet> linksys is definatly better I have a cheap costco router
[06:24] <sambagirl> reboot the router and check connections on all devices thru the router.
[06:24] <pfp> oferet: have you confirmed that your network card works, on ubuntu, eg. with a statical ip
[06:24] <oferet> that might be the reason, so what is the way to go around it
[06:24] <reiki_work> oferet: and your router is the dhcp server?
[06:24] <raDeon> LINKSYS IS TRASH!
[06:24] <oferet> ok how do I do that ?
[06:24] <oferet> yes
[06:24] <concept10> Bags, installed which package?
[06:25] <oferet> I disagree Linksys works very well
[06:25] <sandino> ofehe hey just redo the network part again in the install
[06:25] <sandino> chose maybe eth1
[06:25] <oferet> I tried it on many different environments
[06:25] <raDeon> yeah it works well
[06:25] <raDeon> but it's trash
[06:25] <sambagirl> then when i did a re-install it recognized the dhcp config and it worked fine,.
[06:25] <jschroed> Linksys == Cisco; Cicso runs the internet
[06:25] <clem_yeats> and your nick is radeon ??
[06:25] <clem_yeats> my radeon "is" trash.. :))
[06:25] <Bags> concept10, The Opera Debian package
[06:25] <oferet> ok I'lltry to redo it
[06:25] <clem_yeats> I don't know about linksys though
[06:26] <oferet> sec
[06:26] <sambagirl> that is what i did and it loaded properly the second timre around.
[06:26] <concept10> does it show up in your menu?
[06:26] <raDeon> clem_yeats i don't use ATI cards
[06:26] <w0rmz> ubuntu dont has "service" program ?
[06:26] <reiki_work> isn't there a way in the installer to make it do static rather than dhcp? I thought there was
[06:26] <raDeon> clem_yeats radeon is a latin stem
[06:26] <clem_yeats> me neither.. they use me ! :))
[06:26] <sambagirl> be sure and reboot the router
[06:26] <w0rmz> or script ?
[06:26] <raDeon> until ATI screwed it up for me
[06:26] <pfp> oferet: it asks you for a statical ip after telling you that dhcp failed
[06:26] <Tycho> I want to rename all files in a directory from *;1 to * (cut the ";1"). Can someone help me with the Perl command in rename?
[06:26] <clem_yeats> radeon : oh ok.
[06:26] <sandino> hey where can i get a depository of programs for ubuntu ?
[06:27] <oferet> do yoi mean retry right now, or after the installation is done ?
[06:27] <sandino> im looking for nicotine
[06:27] <sandino> oferet now
[06:27] <clem_yeats> Tycho yes in pv
[06:27] <oferet> k
[06:27] <sandino> theres GO BACK
[06:27] <sambagirl> restart the installation do a fresh install.
[06:27] <sambagirl> it only takes a short time.
[06:28] <pfp> remember, no drug talk sandino ;)
[06:28] <raDeon> drugs are cool,
[06:28] <bretzel> hello all, I am curious to know how is the status of usplash or other way for Linux Framebuffer boot ?
[06:28] <sandino> yeah nicoinseek..e is soul
[06:28] <sandino> ooops
[06:29] <Bags> Drugs are bad, m'kay?
[06:29] <Moth> it did notwork
[06:29] <raDeon> bretzel discontinued.
[06:29] <Moth> someone said that it might be my network
[06:29] <raDeon> Bags yes
[06:29] <Moth> network card that is
[06:29] <chrissturm> bretzel, breezy comes with usplash
[06:29] <Moth> where can I find out if it is compatible with Ubuntu ?
[06:29] <bretzel> chrissturm: Thus no hopes to have it on hoary ?
[06:30] <pfp> Moth: are you in the installer or have you installed ubuntu already
[06:30] <alex__> does anyone know what is esd ?
[06:30] <Moth> oh shit
[06:30] <Moth> it changed my nick
[06:30] <Moth> I am in the installed
[06:30] <w0rmz> alex__,google "what is esd"
[06:30] <chrissturm> bretzel, it looks very unpolished, you dont want to run it now :)
[06:31] <bretzel> alex__: Enlightenment Sound Service Deamon ... or thing like it
[06:31] <l0s3rk1d> is ubuntu portage?
[06:31] <Moth> sorry I am in the installer
[06:31] <alex__> ok
[06:32] <Bags> concept10, So I downloaded the Opera Debian PPC Package and used dpkg -i to set it up.
[06:32] <pfp> Moth: press alt-f2, then type "dmesg | grep eth", that should list your net cards (alt-f1 to get back)
[06:32] <bretzel> chrissturm: thanks for the hint :-) - Is it really complicated to have Cnsoles in fb on haory ?
[06:32] <concept10> Bags, does it show up in your menu?
[06:32] <Bags> concept10, It's all there, now how do I use it?
[06:32] <bretzel> chrissturm: read Consoles -- typo
[06:32] <Bags> concept10, No...
[06:33] <concept10> Bags, type locate opera in te terminal
[06:33] <Moth> sambagirl, I tried to reboot my router, it did not help
[06:33] <bretzel> I discovered that no matter the distro, nvidia 3d accel drivers screwe up FB consoles...
[06:33] <chrissturm> bretzel, i dunno. i just installed usplash and looked at it :)
[06:34] <Bags> concept10, It doesn't come up...
[06:34] <Bags> concept10, I think that it may be where I downloaded it.
[06:34] <Bags> concept10, It ended up in /tmp/
[06:34] <arphetic> YES
[06:34] <arphetic> I CAN GAME
[06:34] <arphetic> W)))
[06:34] <bretzel> BTW: SuSE (9.3) have a really NICE Grub in FB mode... not talking about their console1 background
[06:35] <Bags> concept10, should that matter?
[06:35] <Bags> concept10, I did the installtion from the /tmp directory.
[06:35] <stratovarius> hey hi all
[06:35] <bretzel> Other ubuntu users managed to get Boot and consoles in FB ?
[06:36] <new15> advice w/ network problem would be helpful
[06:36] <pfp> new15: 19:32 < pfp> Moth: press alt-f2, then type "dmesg | grep eth", that should list your net cards (alt-f1 to get back)
[06:36] <stratovarius> who does tell me the address of some repositories?
[06:36] <pfp> !repositories
[06:37] <ubotu> I guess repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:37] <bretzel> I can't find the subject in Ubuntu Wiki ... If I enter in Kernel configs to enable fb, I think I am going into a nightmare journey
[06:37] <stratovarius> !repositories
[06:37] <concept10> Bags, type opera in the terminal it should start, Im trying to find where it installs at
[06:37] <agraupe_> can someon quickly tell me what version of libidn11 is installed by default by hoary?
[06:37] <selinium> Hi i am looking for someone who has set up bluetooth...
[06:37] <Bags> concept10, Nope.
[06:38] <Bags> concept10, opera: cannot connect to X server
[06:39] <pfp> agraupe_: 0.5.2-3
[06:39] <gmoore> i'm trying to set up pureftpd. i want to be able to give different users different permissions. for example john can list and upload to /ftp/Incoming but not go up to /ftp/. steve can list and download from /ftp/Files/ but not go to /ftp/. jack can go anywhere in /ftp and modify anything. do i do that through chmod permissions?
[06:39] <concept10> Bags, I cant help you on that one.
[06:40] <Bags> concept10, Ok. Thanks anyhoo.
[06:40] <Bags> concept10, I appreciate you trying.
[06:40] <Bags> concept10, I think it's a PPC thing... (Boring...)
[06:40] <Sputn1k> After ubuntu 5.04-hoary update to 5.10-breezy, x's dont work, and official nvidia driver too, what i should do?
[06:41] <c3ltic> hello
[06:41] <kemik> why isit impossible to edit the ID3 tags in Rythmbox?
[06:41] <kemik> i can see the fields and all, but no change them
[06:41] <c3ltic> can anyone help me?
[06:41] <concept10> Bags, you dont like firefox?
[06:41] <w0rmz> how do i check which daemons are running at startup ?
[06:42] <samu> kemik, because the version of rhythmbox that comes with hoary is really old and crap
[06:42] <benjamin1254> c3ltic whats up?
[06:42] <Sputn1k> help me plz.....
[06:42] <plagerism> Can I please use Breezy now??
[06:42] <c3ltic> i'm having some problems
[06:42] <concept10> kemik, use easytag
[06:42] <benjamin1254> explain
[06:42] <VaroXz> can anyone help me, my soundcard won't work
[06:42] <plagerism> How buggy is breezy??
[06:42] <kemik> samu: and it's not backported?
[06:42] <samu> i dont know
[06:42] <kemik> concept10: will look into that.. need to re-tag all my mp3s i think
[06:42] <concept10> plagerism, download the like cd and find out
[06:43] <samu> all i know is i cant update it automagically
[06:43] <plagerism> I did download the livecd, looked okay to me
[06:43] <benjamin1254> c3ltic brb ok sir
[06:43] <agraupe_> I've come to the conclusion that I need to uninstall, then reinstall an earlier version, of libidn11. I can't remove it due to dependancies, according to dpkg. how can I force its removal?
[06:43] <c3ltic> i just installed ubuntu... and it asked username and password etc... so it installed all... no it's time to log in but doesn't accept my user and pass... how can i get inside or change my account?
[06:43] <plagerism> can I upgrade to breezy now?? Is development frozen??
[06:43] <concept10> I didnt see any real changes for me to install once its released.
[06:43] <VaroXz> sorry about this stupid question but i started using linux yesterday... where do i get modules from?
[06:43] <kemik> samu: you've compiled a new version yourself then ?
[06:43] <samu> kemik, i recommend switching to windows or osX so you can use itunes :)
[06:43] <samu> kemik, no i just remain pissed off
[06:44] <Sputn1k> After ubuntu 5.04-hoary update to 5.10-breezy, x's dont work, and official nvidia driver too, what i should do?
[06:44] <plagerism> What version of Xorg is in Breezy??
[06:44] <kemik> samu: tssk :P
[06:45] <w0rmz> fedora is better than ubuntu in server administration
[06:45] <w0rmz> huh
[06:45] <samu> its the main application thats holding me back from putting linux on the laptop too
[06:45] <concept10> !info xorg
[06:45] <bretzel> w0rmz: I agree but Ubuntu is far better for Linux multi-media stuff
[06:45] <concept10> plagerism, http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=xorg&searchon=name&subword=1&version=all&release=all&page=1&number=all
[06:46] <akk> What's the best movie player to play .avi video from a digital camera?
[06:46] <kemik> i think ubuntu is mainly geared for the Desktop
[06:46] <akk> Nothing I've tried seem to read it.
[06:46] <no_dammagE> hi, can someone please help me to setup lilo please? My machine is not supported by GRUB. I'm currently sitting in a booted knoppix ...
[06:46] <kemik> akk: VLC or mplayer
[06:46] <plagerism> oh nice, they finally got a packages.ubuntu
[06:46] <H0lyD4wg> is there a way to switch the active keyboard layout from the command line?
[06:46] <w0rmz> bretzel, you are rite
[06:46] <kemik> akk: vlc is probably the best mediaplayer there is... for all OS's
[06:46] <akk> kemik: mplayer doesn't seem to handle it -- says it's using ffmpeg's libavcodec codec family but then it doesn't play.
[06:47] <akk> "The selected video_out device is incompatible with this codec."
[06:47] <concept10> samu, you may use itunes in linux with crossover office.
[06:47] <agraupe_> is there a place i can download a .deb of the original hoary version of libidn11?
[06:47] <concept10> !info qoudlibet
[06:48] <c3ltic> can anyone say how to make new account when i can't log in with one i registered during install
[06:48] <new15> after I tried dmesg | grep eth
[06:48] <concept10> !info quodlibet
[06:48] <new15> I got this result...
[06:48] <new15> eth0: Via Rhine at 0xde00, 00:50:ba:bc:b2:1d, IRQ 11
[06:48] <new15> eth0: MII PHY found at address 8, status 0x7809 advertising 05e1 Link 000.
[06:48] <new15> eth0: link down
[06:48] <new15> eth0: link down
[06:48] <new15> what does it mean ?
[06:48] <bretzel> w0rmz: I tell you: I am using Ubuntu with Kubuntu-Desktop for my KDE stuff needs ( KDevelop/QT/amaroK etc..) and I find Ubuntu the best for the mix of Gnome and KDE! No other distros have both Gnome and KDE well integrated...
[06:48] <chrissturm> new15, you probably have no cable plugged in
[06:48] <pfp> new15: most probably your network cable is not connected
[06:49] <VaroXz> can anyone tell me where to get modules from... i'm VERY newbie
[06:49] <pfp> new15: btw, on the channel please
[06:49] <new15> I am sure it is... I'll make sure it is workin
[06:49] <new15> sec
[06:49] <agraupe_> is there a place i can download a .deb of the original hoary version of libidn11?
[06:49] <akk> kemik: Nope, vlc doesn't read the avi either.
[06:49] <concept10> you guys should try this music player: http://www.sacredchao.net/quodlibet/wiki/Screenshots
[06:50] <pfp> new15: or if you have BNC and RJ-45, the card may be listening on the wrong plug
[06:50] <bretzel> w0rmz: I am telling you that because I did try FC4, SuSE9.3PRO and returned to Ubuntu 2 days ago because it is the only distro that meets my needs...
[06:50] <w0rmz> bretzel, but what is the purpose of using that if windows is better for multi media stuff
[06:50] <concept10> VaroXz, what modules are you talking about
[06:50] <Axeman> Hi
[06:50] <kemik> akk: that's weird... between mplayer and vlc ther's not much they cant handle
[06:50] <Axeman> Need some help regarding ubuntu live
[06:50] <VaroXz> i need the snd-maestro3 module for my soundcard
[06:50] <jschroed> http://www.polarhome.com/cgi-bin/chat/irc.cgi I love irc through firewalls
[06:50] <Axeman> wondering if anyone would be good enough to point me
[06:50] <kemik> w0rmz: linux is free, windows is not ?
[06:50] <bretzel> w0rmz: Windows ??? ( lots of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to get what Linux can give)
[06:50] <Axeman> in the right direction
[06:50] <gmoore> anyone know of an easy to set up ftp server where i can have a bunch of non-system users with different permissions? ie steve can access /ftproot/ and only upload while john can access the same directory and only download
[06:51] <kemik> gmoore: pureftpd
[06:51] <H0lyD4wg> (eg. if i did "setxkbmap -layout us,il", is there a program i can run to switch to the second layout (il) ? )
[06:51] <w0rmz> hehe
[06:51] <c3ltic> can anyone help me?
[06:51] <w0rmz> pirated windows
[06:51] <Axeman> I have aproblem booting from the ubuntu PPC CD with my iMac g5
[06:51] <w0rmz> most of users using pirated one
[06:51] <w0rmz> hehe
[06:51] <w0rmz> its free
[06:51] <jschroed> bretzel: Linux support is not free. Actually, Linux support is more expensive because their is a higher demand of Linux professionals
[06:51] <bretzel> w0rmz: Just for Development $1500 ( canadian ) to get basic VS7.x
[06:51] <pfp> gmoore: it's possible with proftpd's configuration too
[06:52] <eno> what does ubuntu 5.10 colony 3 mean? (the colony part)
[06:52] <agraupe_> I need to downgrade libidn11, but I can't find a package of the version that came with hoary, and I don't have the install cd with me, is there anything I can do?
[06:52] <bretzel> jschroed: Worst in Windows world: You pay the licenses lots of $$$ and try to get support!!!!
[06:52] <gmoore> kemik: i'm trying with pureftpd but i can't figure out virtual users and such :( would you mind giving me a hand if you're not busy
[06:52] <pfp> c3ltic: you can reset your password when you boot to recovery mode
[06:53] <jschroed> bretzel: How many computers have you supported in a Windows or Linux environment?
[06:53] <w0rmz> im looking for networking stuff in linux
[06:53] <concept10> VaroXz, its probably already on your system
[06:53] <w0rmz> but it seems redhat or fedora is the best
[06:53] <kemik> gmoore: ive not used it myself, just know it support non-system users
[06:53] <jschroed> If the answer is < 1000, you dont know what youre talking about
[06:53] <Axeman> Can anyone help me with problems booting from ubuntu live PPC on an iMac G5? - it gets to the hardware detection, then has problems detectin g the cdrom drive and askm me to choose manually. It then wont let me go any further
[06:53] <concept10> VaroXz, type locate snd-maestro
[06:53] <w0rmz> but ... ubuntu is the best for multi media stuffs
[06:53] <jschroed> Ubuntu and Fedora are both excellent for Desktop Linux
[06:53] <c3ltic> pfp ... when booting to recovery mode... what does it do? and how
[06:53] <concept10> VaroXz, did you see it?
[06:54] <kemik> w0rmz: what sort of "networking" are you looking for ?
[06:54] <Axeman> Anyone?
[06:54] <w0rmz> so i ve to make decision what is my specification goes to
[06:54] <VaroXz> wait a sec
[06:54] <jschroed> Ubuntu has better software installation via synaptic where fedora has better security and configuration tools
[06:54] <w0rmz> kemik, adminstration tasks
[06:54] <pfp> c3ltic: from the grub (=boot) menu
[06:54] <oferet> you were right, I did not connect teh network cable <- boy do I feel stupid
[06:55] <oferet> but at this point, even though I have it connected I get the same response
[06:55] <bretzel> Not me but in my employer's net staff: Linux is free, they have the knowledges for linux servers, so they get paid normal salaries for their work. If they were Microsoft, the employer must pay the licenses and support...
[06:55] <w0rmz> but till now im clueless of what is the main purpose of using linux
[06:55] <w0rmz> hehe
[06:55] <pfp> c3ltic: then type 'passwd c3ltic' (assuming that's your user id), then boot w/ 'shutdown -r now'
[06:55] <Frafra> hi all
[06:55] <jschroed> Bretzel, /me is a Unix admin
[06:55] <pfp> w0rmz: freedom!
[06:55] <oferet> it seems that my card is not communicating with my router
[06:55] <kemik> w0rmz: what do you mean with "administration tasks" ?
[06:55] <oferet> how could that be changed ?
[06:56] <kemik> oferet: dhclient -i eth0
[06:56] <oferet> my router indicates that it is connected to a network card, but it seems that my network card is not doing it
[06:56] <w0rmz> kemik, that makes me easier to handle the task
[06:56] <oferet> ok I'll try that now
[06:56] <Frafra> if I use 'sudo pon dsl-provider' it works, but if I do 'gksudo pon dsl-provider' it doesn't work. It says: "...The file /etc/ppp/peers/'dsl-provider' does not exist..."
[06:56] <c3ltic> pfp... ok... going to try
[06:56] <bretzel> jschroed: Cool! :-) So you know that XP Pro stations in Windows servers per licenses are fuc%$#^%$ expensive...
[06:56] <kemik> w0rmz: which task?!
[06:56] <w0rmz> pfp, freedom isnt my main point as im still hunting for a job :(
[06:57] <w0rmz> kemik, as i have asked before
[06:57] <jschroed> bretzel: Yes I do, and I also know that the majority of enterprise users still use Win2k on the desktop
[06:57] <agraupe_> is there any way to browse available packages with a web browser (ie at archive.ubuntu.com) and download them?
[06:57] <kemik> w0rmz: i missed it :/
[06:57] <w0rmz> for an example
[06:57] <concept10> agraupe_, yes
[06:57] <oferet> -i is not an option
[06:57] <jschroed> There is no real reason to upgrade to XP other than prettier graphics and slower bling
[06:57] <w0rmz> what is the command to know daemon status
[06:57] <concept10> agraupe_, do you use firefox?
[06:57] <bretzel> Yes, sorry Win2K -- the same tho...
[06:57] <pfp> w0rmz: i see :( ... from my experience, knowing linux helps with that :)
[06:58] <w0rmz> as chkconfig in fedora or redhat
[06:58] <kemik> w0rmz: ps aux | grep "name of daemon"
[06:58] <Frafra> who can help me?
[06:58] <agraupe_> concept10: yes
[06:58] <jschroed> w0rmz: /etc/init.d/httpd status
[06:58] <jschroed> w0rms: and I think you mean the service command on redhat or fedora
[06:58] <jschroed> w0rms: On fedora service httpd status will tell you the status of the web server daemon
[06:58] <w0rmz> jschroed, u are rite
[06:59] <oferet> kemik dhclient -i eth0 did not work
[06:59] <bretzel> Actually I am working in a tech support in a call center and it is Win2K: but the cie is really big and rich... so they don't care about Linux...
[06:59] <oferet> it seems that -i is not an option
[06:59] <w0rmz> and it tells u what service are running in what level
[06:59] <agraupe_> concept10: what is the correct site? I can't find the actual packages at archive.ubuntu.com
[06:59] <kemik> oferet: dhclient eth0 then
[06:59] <jschroed> w0rmz: ubuntu is debian based, there is no concept of runlevels like in other modern distros
[06:59] <concept10> agraupe_, go here and add the firefox search engine http://mycroft.mozdev.org/download.html?name=ubuntu&submitform=Find+search+plugins
[07:00] <concept10> Everyone else should add that also
[07:00] <concept10> to search packages from firefox
[07:00] <pfp> oferet: hmm isn't there an option/button/menu to retry the dhcp thing, in the installer?
[07:00] <oferet> kemik, here is the output: Bind socket to interface: No suc hdevice
[07:00] <oferet> exiting.
[07:00] <w0rmz> jschroed, ahhh.... sorry for that question....im fedora user before
[07:00] <w0rmz> just trying to start usqing ubuntu
[07:00] <kemik> oferet: do a "ifconfig"
[07:00] <w0rmz> i ve no debian based
[07:00] <agraupe_> concept10: that's nice... maybe should that be added to the default ubuntu firefox package?
[07:01] <oferet> pfp, yes there is, but it does not detect the DHCP server even though its workin
[07:01] <pfp> oh
[07:01] <concept10> agraupe_, yeah, conact the developers, it comes with the debian pkg search
[07:01] <benjamin1254> debian feels better... o feel that it flows better as time goes on and they even ship free cds of there distro which is a pluss i ordered 10 all free
[07:01] <concept10> agraupe_, I was going to write it but it was there already
[07:01] <oferet> pfp, I can quote the response: Your network is probably not using the DHCP protocol. Alternatively, the DHCP server may be slow or some network hardware is not working properly.
[07:02] <agraupe_> concept10: thanks for the help
[07:02] <oferet> what is the command parallel to ipconfig in linux
[07:03] <pfp> "ifconfig -a" or "ip addr ls"
[07:03] <Axeman> oh well
[07:03] <Axeman> looks like noone can help me
[07:03] <Axeman> Cheers anyway
[07:03] <Axeman> bye
[07:03] <neighborlee> wait
[07:03] <neighborlee> ohwell
[07:04] <benjamin1254> poor axeman
[07:05] <oferet> it does not provide me with my ip
[07:05] <oferet> wait
[07:05] <pfp> poor ppc users :/
[07:05] <oferet> how do I release and renew ?
[07:05] <benjamin1254> u know his name sure maes u wonder
[07:05] <benjamin1254> makes*
[07:05] <concept10> yours too..
[07:05] <neighborlee> lol
[07:05] <Frafra> I've a problem. If I use 'sudo pon dsl-provider' it works, but if I do 'gksudo pon dsl-provider' it doesn't work. It says: "...The file /etc/ppp/peers/'dsl-provider' does not exist...". Who can help me?
[07:06] <oferet> anyone ?
[07:06] <concept10> Frafra, try gksuexec
[07:06] <no_dammagE> can someone please help me to set up lilo?
[07:07] <pfp> oferet: dhclient -r ; dhclient eth0
[07:07] <concept10> oferet, you need your ip address?
[07:07] <no_dammagE> i don't know why it fails, GRUB doesn't support my machine ...
[07:07] <Frafra> concept10: thx
[07:07] <oferet> I thinki it works
[07:07] <oferet> sec
[07:07] <MAPD> hi
[07:07] <regebro> Helo! I just upgraded from Warty to Hoary, and now, when a windows wants something it no longer pops to the front... instead it just flashes briefly, which I never notice... Can I change this?
[07:07] <concept10> no_dammagE, grub runs on everything from toasters to mainframes, what are you talking about?
[07:08] <Seveas> \annoncement{ The Ubuntu pastebin now has a search function too :)) }
[07:08] <concept10> Frafra, did that work?
[07:08] <no_dammagE> well, it tells me Error 18 and up to now I couldn't go around it
[07:08] <concept10> hmmm, the ubiquitous error 18
[07:08] <no_dammagE> Error 18 was that my HDD wasn't detected corretly as far as I remember
[07:08] <no_dammagE> HDD is running in LBA32 mode
[07:08] <Dr_Willis> sounds like an old bios issue.
[07:08] <no_dammagE> it is an old 8GB IDEHDD
[07:09] <no_dammagE> I doubt I'll be able to upgrade it
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> 8gb? i got more porn then that...
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> :P
[07:09] <no_dammagE> lol
[07:09] <benjamin1254> lmfao
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> they got usb thumb drives that size!
[07:09] <Frafra> concept10: I want somethink like an icon who start a program that need to be used from root
[07:09] <oferet> concept10, I do not exactly need that, what I need is to set up my network connection. I am in the installer phase of ubuntu and the network just won't work
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> I just put together a 200gb external USB hd. :P
[07:09] <Frafra> concept10: something like gksudo [commando]
[07:09] <oferet> it says that I have no DHCP server, while I know I do
[07:09] <no_dammagE> the point is that LILO can boot it and I'm sitting currently in Knoppix trying to install it
[07:09] <oferet> btw it did not work
[07:10] <concept10> Frafra, there is one
[07:10] <benjamin1254> really i put together a 400gb usb 2.0 HDD
[07:10] <no_dammagE> the result is: /proc/misc: No entry for device-mapper found
[07:10] <oferet> same response -> no response from the DHCP server
[07:10] <no_dammagE> Is device-mapper driver missing from kernel?
[07:10] <no_dammagE> blah blah
[07:10] <Frafra> concept10: but it doesn't works
[07:10] <oferet> what is I skip the network set up for now... is that a serious problem ?
[07:10] <oferet> if*
[07:10] <concept10> Frafra, Appliations > System Tools > Run as different user
[07:11] <no_dammagE> btw, BIOS is really old - revision from 1999
[07:11] <Frafra> concept10: if I do: "gksudo [program] [opt] " it's equal to "program 'option'"
[07:11] <jschroed> regebro: This is part of gnome 2.10s new focus stealing prevention code
[07:11] <jschroed> I dont think you can change that
[07:11] <benjamin1254> can ne one help me format an old mac 5500/225 seris power mac?
[07:11] <regebro> Meh! :-/
[07:11] <Tycho> Whats the parameter for ls if I want it to list just directories?
[07:11] <pfp> oferet: you can still install, you just wont get the latest updates at the same time
[07:11] <jschroed> Tycho -d
[07:11] <regebro> jschroed: OK, at least I can google on that and see if I can change it.
[07:12] <oferet> pfp, but if I'll install later I would be able to get all the updates? correct
[07:12] <Tycho> jschroed: -d gets me just "."
[07:12] <benjamin1254> could i use a new blah hard drie and do it that way instead?
[07:12] <benjamin1254> BLANK*
[07:12] <pfp> oferet: yes
[07:12] <Frafra> concept10: ok, but I want that it goes in auto, only request root's password
[07:13] <no_dammagE> anyone?
[07:13] <w0rmz> mypapit, welcome user from malaysia
[07:13] <w0rmz> huhu
[07:13] <mypapit> w0rmz: thank you
[07:13] <mypapit> w0rmz: i just gotten around the apt-get..
[07:13] <Dr_Willis> no_dammagE, trying to install lilo from a live cd?
[07:13] <concept10> Frafra, create a launcher
[07:13] <no_dammagE> yes
[07:13] <w0rmz> mypapit, malay?
[07:13] <mypapit> w0rmz: yes
[07:13] <w0rmz> cakap melayu dah la
[07:13] <w0rmz> ekeke
[07:14] <mypapit> w0rmz: nnt ada org lain bengang lak
[07:14] <w0rmz> tegeliat jari aku dok taip
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> no_dammagE, may want to check the ubuntu wikis' there a few things you got to do..
[07:14] <mypapit> w0rmz: keke
[07:14] <MAPD> malay girls are nice!!!
[07:14] <w0rmz> ok
[07:14] <w0rmz> kita speaking
[07:14] <mypapit> w0rmz: diorang suh aku cakap english.. hehe
[07:14] <no_dammagE> Dr_Willis: ok, doing ...
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> no_dammagE, you basicially mount your system somewhere, then chroot to it. and install/run lilo.
[07:14] <w0rmz> MAPD, nice?
[07:14] <w0rmz> mypapit, cakap la english broken
[07:14] <oferet> pfp, I did it manually, but I do ont know if it worked
[07:14] <Frafra> concept10: yes, but "gksuexec [program] [option] " display the same result of "gksuexec"
[07:14] <w0rmz> janji dorang paham dah
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> no_dammagE, BUT theres a few other got-yas to look out for. Like how /proc and /dev got to be done on the chrooted system
[07:15] <MAPD> w0rmz yes arent they?
[07:15] <MAPD> !pastebin
[07:15] <ubotu> it has been said that pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[07:15] <concept10> Frafra, what are you trying to run as root?
[07:15] <mypapit> w0rmz: ko pakai ubuntu gak ke? aku pakai debian je.. aku pakai ubuntu rasa cam newbie lak.. hehe
[07:15] <w0rmz> MAPD, why did u say so
[07:15] <Grumbly> can someone help me out? I'm trying to find 2 things, but I am not sure where to start. the 1st, most important is a Call tracking/Support system Ala CRM. the second is a PBX logger/monitor.
[07:15] <w0rmz> mypapit, sama ja...tadak beza pon
[07:15] <mypapit> w0rmz: pc sebelah aku pakai ubuntu la.. main test2 install.. pc adik aku..
[07:15] <w0rmz> mypapit, just a little bit diff
[07:15] <w0rmz> hehe
[07:15] <no_dammagE> Dr_Willis: and that's the problem: in chroot I don't have any write permission while in livecd env lilo fails because it can't find a device (/proc/misc: No entry for device-mapper found)
[07:15] <oferet> I am formating the hd now, recommendations for partitioning
[07:15] <MAPD> w0rmz because i've met some :P
[07:15] <nonspecific> hi, does anybody know why msn won't run on my gaim
[07:15] <Frafra> concept10: pon dsl-provider
[07:15] <pfp> oferet: can't you ping your gateway / some other ip
[07:15] <dv_> hello
[07:16] <w0rmz> MAPD, u got their pics ?
[07:16] <w0rmz> huhu
[07:16] <jschroed> Grumbly: www.sugarcrm.com, www.asterisk.org
[07:16] <concept10> Frafra, try a launcher
[07:16] <plagerism> Grumbly, I used to use a CRM called double chocco latte
[07:16] <dv_> is sqlite 3.2 for ubuntu available?
[07:16] <MAPD> w0rmz nope
[07:16] <w0rmz> mypapit, aku saje test pakai ubuntu ni
[07:16] <oferet> I could I just do not know how to do it in Linux
[07:16] <jschroed> SugarCRM is the best OSS Crm by far
[07:16] <Grumbly> jschroed: many thanks...
[07:16] <w0rmz> MAPD, then how did u know them
[07:16] <MAPD> w0rmz personally?
[07:16] <Grumbly> Is it a support CRM or is it a mktg crm?
[07:16] <MAPD> i have a friend in malaysia
[07:17] <Dr_Willis> no_dammagE, right. :P theres a few commands ya need to do to get the /dev and /proc and stuff set right.. I rember this from my Gentoo Days - where we had to do the same thing to just install. :P may want to skim the gentoo install docs. I know the commands are mentioned there.
[07:17] <w0rmz> MAPD, yeah
[07:17] <MAPD> he works on the towers
[07:17] <MAPD> with the bridge
[07:17] <MAPD> i cant remember the name
[07:17] <mypapit> w0rmz: aku pun test2.. aku pakai 5.04 (hoary).. mcm best gak awal2.. cuma nak connect stimmix aku tak paham sikit awal2.. tp lepas tu ok.. kemudian aku tgk ubuntu ni cam kosong je, cam utk newbie sgt lak.. hehe
[07:17] <Frafra> concept10: yes, but what command I must write in the launcher?
[07:17] <plagerism> Grumbly development/support
[07:17] <pfp> oferet: alt-f2, "ping i.p.ad.rr", stop it with ctrl-c
[07:17] <nonspecific> anyone?
[07:17] <w0rmz> mypapit, sebab tu dia cepat installation
[07:17] <MAPD> petronas w0rmz?
[07:17] <pfp> or "ping -c 5 ip.add.re.ss"
[07:17] <oferet> I tried that it did not work
[07:17] <w0rmz> by the way senang je kalo pakai apt-get
[07:18] <w0rmz> MAPD, what do u mean by petronas?
[07:18] <oferet> pfp, the ping command does not work
[07:18] <no_dammagE> Dr_Willis: i still have the gentoo handbook somewhere lying around ... hmm, but ubuntu doesn't have several commands/apps e.g. env-update ...
[07:18] <w0rmz> MAPD, that is oil company :p
[07:18] <muffin_> hi! where do i see my local ip adress???
[07:18] <Grumbly> jschroed: Hmm... looks promising. I'm thinking somthing like a bank would have... Or, if you've seen it, Nettopia Octopus.
[07:18] <plagerism> So is breezy comparable to Debian unstable in stability?? I am thinking I want to upgrade
[07:18] <Grumbly> It's wicked huge
[07:18] <oferet> but it says now that I have a link up, 100 MBps, full duplix, lpa 0x41e1
[07:18] <MAPD> w0rmz
[07:18] <MAPD> wait
[07:18] <MAPD> i need to find the
[07:18] <MAPD> name
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> no_dammagE, thats gentoo specific. not needed. :P
[07:18] <MAPD> i dont know if its correct
[07:18] <MAPD> lo
[07:18] <MAPD> l
[07:18] <joti> hi all
[07:19] <pfp> oferet: you mean the command is not found, or does it fail somehow
[07:19] <muffin_> how can i see my local ip adress???
[07:19] <oferet> pfp, command not found
[07:19] <no_dammagE> first of all, I'll need to modify my sources.list - it doesn't have anything except the CD and the drive is already in use ^^
[07:19] <Grumbly> plagerism: which one?
[07:19] <pfp> oferet: bleh :(
[07:19] <MAPD> Petronas Towers
[07:19] <joti> does anyone have a gues how to get back to gdm for login? i've set it kdm accidently...:-)
[07:19] <MAPD> kuala limpur
[07:19] <oferet> pfp, I concur
[07:20] <MAPD> Kuala Lumpur
[07:20] <w0rmz> MAPD, hahahaha
[07:20] <alie> is it possible to install with apt-get on a desired location ?
[07:20] <MAPD> is it not correct
[07:20] <nickrud> joti, sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[07:20] <w0rmz> MAPD, nice girl?
[07:20] <MAPD> yeah
[07:20] <MAPD> hoyt
[07:20] <w0rmz> MAPD, let me c the look
[07:20] <w0rmz> hehe
[07:20] <joti> nickrud: thx a lot
[07:20] <XRange> joti: one might edit /etc/rc.conf
[07:20] <nonspecific> sorry, but could I ask you a question, please
[07:20] <muffin_> is there a shell command to see my local ip adress???
[07:20] <UrbanFox> hi
[07:20] <w0rmz> mypapit, ko slalu lepak server mana
[07:20] <nickrud> XRange, there is no rc.conf :)
[07:21] <oferet> pfp, do you recommend a particular partition, I mean I jsut want ot finish this installations and get ubuntu working, once I'd play with it a little I'll learn to everything proper and will reinstall teh system in a month or 2
[07:21] <pfp> muffin_: ip addr ls
[07:21] <UrbanFox> where can I download the latest Ubuntu Breezy ISO?
[07:21] <UrbanFox> I want to see what's changed
[07:21] <UrbanFox> (Installing it on a VM)
[07:21] <muffin_> pfp thx
[07:21] <jschroed> muffin_: ifconfig eth0
[07:22] <kelsey> Has anyone gotten Runescape to work properly on Hoary Hedgehog?
[07:22] <oferet> pfp, forgot to say thank you
[07:22] <pfp> oferet: the system, with desktops etc is around 2-3 GB, add as much personal space as you need to that
[07:22] <no_dammagE> Dr_Willis: ok, apt-get update in chroot to install lilo ...
[07:22] <pfp> oferet: np :)
[07:22] <XRange> nickrud, that would explain why i couldn't fine it then
[07:23] <Seveas> UrbanFox, releases.ubuntu.com
[07:23] <oferet> I've partioned my drive and now the system is being isntalled. I tried to install it before I remember it got stuck
[07:23] <oferet> so brace for impact, I am going to have a shitload of questinos in just a couple of minutes
[07:23] <kelsey> anyone?
[07:23] <nickrud> XRange, it's pretty much just links in rcS.d for startup, then rc2.d as the default run level
[07:23] <oferet> (I mean this is not my first attempt)
[07:23] <neighborlee> http://www.fazed.org/video/view/?id=21
[07:24] <alie> is it possible to install a package with apt-get on a desired location ?
[07:24] <neighborlee> cute and worth watching
[07:24] <jschroed> alie: It
[07:24] <jschroed> 's possible to compile a package in a desired location :) but not apt-get
[07:24] <alie> jschroed, what is the command to install
[07:25] <jschroed> apt-get install packagename
[07:25] <oferet> haha :)
[07:25] <alie> well that will install on default location rite ?
[07:27] <benjamin1254> neone ever work with old school power pcs that they were locked out of?
[07:27] <jurgis> When i trying to open synaptic i get this : http://img76.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot8da.png, form kosole (sudo synaptic) every thing find, where is the problem?
[07:28] <joti> benjamin1254: if its macos9 you can boot with a os9 cd and delete a file that locks you out...google helps
[07:28] <benjamin1254> well i have os 8 it stinks
[07:28] <sockpuppe1> hello
[07:28] <no_dammagE> Dr_Willis: Fatal: open /dev/hda8: Permission denied
[07:28] <no_dammagE> how can I fix it?
[07:28] <benjamin1254> i cant do nething with it
[07:29] <no_dammagE> liloconfig tells me that ...
[07:29] <jurgis> somebody
[07:29] <benjamin1254> joti could i replace it w/ another hard drive
[07:29] <joti> benjamin: maybe it works on os8 as well...i suggest booting from a install cd and try to access your hd
[07:29] <Dr_Willis> no_dammagE, with those commands I forget in the gentoo isntall - LOL - let me see
[07:29] <darkheart> jurgis Sounds like you're missing /root/.Xauthority or something.
[07:29] <Seveas> jurgis, don't do it as root
[07:29] <no_dammagE> ^^
[07:29] <sockpuppe1> i've recently ripped a dvd to my desktop using dvd::rip
[07:29] <Seveas> jurgis, as a normal user, use sudo synaptic
[07:29] <benjamin1254> i dident ever get an install cd seeing as it came froim a christian school and everything was locked
[07:29] <benjamin1254> when i got ity
[07:30] <nicholaspaul> hey cats
[07:30] <darkheart> jurgis Listen to Seveas..I misread your message.
[07:30] <sockpuppe1> and when I encode it, say, to xvid, it gives me this weird mpeg error
[07:30] <joti> normally changing a hd works if theres a working system on it...if not you'll try to install one from a install cd
[07:30] <joti> @benjamin
[07:30] <dv_> is there a searchable ubuntu package database, like packages.debian.org ?
[07:30] <Carpe_Libertatem> Can someone help me change resolution settings on Ubuntu? When I tried changing it in xorg.conf, X11 wouldn't start
[07:30] <Carpe_Libertatem> =x
[07:30] <icewt> packages.ubuntu.com
[07:30] <sockpuppe1> anyone capable of helping?
[07:31] <dv_> Carpe_Libertatem, you can change the resolution in gnome
[07:31] <dv_> without manually tweaking xorg.conf
[07:31] <Carpe_Libertatem> Not to the res I want
[07:31] <benjamin1254> joti so alls i have to do is take ne old hard drive i have laying around n then go from there but how o u pry the older hard drives out of thoes beasts of a mac
[07:31] <Carpe_Libertatem> it's maxed at 1024, I went at least 1280, pref 1600
[07:31] <Dr_Willis> no_dammagE, # mount -t proc none /mnt/YourMountPoint/proc Is one of the commands.
[07:31] <nicholaspaul> is your monitor capable, Carpe+Libertatem
[07:31] <jurgis> Seveas, i sayed that from console everything find
[07:31] <Carpe_Libertatem> yes
[07:31] <joti> btw: is there something like netstumbler for ubuntu - i know theres kismet - but i didnt know about a gui for it
[07:31] <DJ_Mirage> look for Kismet-GUI on google
[07:31] <Carpe_Libertatem> In windows I run 1600x1200
[07:32] <nicholaspaul> and youre editing xorg.conf with gedit?
[07:32] <joti> @benjamin do you habe trouble opening a mac?
[07:32] <Carpe_Libertatem> I edited with pico
[07:32] <concept10> Hurry now ! Install Quod Libet, its much better than rhythmbox
[07:32] <benjamin1254> i can open the back just cant get to the drives or hard drive
[07:32] <nicholaspaul> i dont know of any reason why pico might mess it up... :S
[07:32] <joti> there a two buttons at the lower front edge, press them and pull the cover towards you
[07:32] <sockpuppe1> concept10: whats so good about it?
[07:32] <Carpe_Libertatem> I guess I can try again
[07:32] <benjamin1254> its a beast and a half to get it and then takin it out is a whole other story
[07:32] <concept10> sockpuppe1, faster!!!!!!
[07:32] <no_dammagE> Dr_Willis: mounted and rechrooted
[07:32] <nicholaspaul> i always check for typos (sorry if thats too obvious:) )
[07:33] <sockpuppe1> concept10 could you possibly help me?
[07:33] <concept10> sockpuppe1, more robust
[07:33] <concept10> sockpuppe1, with?
[07:33] <oferet> pfp, there we go, here is my favorite error
[07:33] <oferet> it says
[07:33] <oferet> Unable to install the selected kernel
[07:33] <sockpuppe1> well encoding dvd
[07:33] <Dr_Willis> no_dammagE, i seem to recall making a soft link also.. but its been a while. the gentoo docs are different now also. they may of included the steps in their env-update command some how
[07:33] <nicholaspaul> i got a Q: anyone know how to make autorun discs?
[07:33] <oferet> An error was returned while trying to install the kernel into the target system
[07:33] <joti> benjamin: there is another plastic button/lock you can use, the web keeps several descriptions for it - maybe lowendmac.com does as well
[07:33] <oferet> Kernel package: 'linux-386'.
[07:34] <concept10> sockpuppe1, watching a dvd? or making one?
[07:34] <sockpuppe1> encoding one to xvid
[07:34] <oferet> how can I fix it ? (pfp)
[07:34] <CptS> How do i remove alsa completly so it won't load up on startup and so that x and gnome app's that require sound won't look for it?
[07:34] <no_dammagE> Dr_Willis: well, mounting /proc didn't help :/
[07:34] <oferet> anyone /
[07:34] <oferet> ?
[07:34] <Frafra> I'm on breezy. I've an usb mouse with scroll, but I can't scroll. what i must activate?
[07:34] <joti> benjamin: you'll need a fully working system to replace the old hd with nevertheless. and mention: its als scsi
[07:34] <sockpuppe1> i get a mpeg error when I try to play the movie (xvid)
[07:34] <dv_> anjuta is still version 1.2.2 in hoary?
[07:34] <no_dammagE> Dr_Willis: ill google for chroot
[07:34] <dv_> is there a stable anjuta 2 ?
[07:35] <dv_> ah, no, just googled :)
[07:35] <Dr_Willis> no_dammagE, doing that now.. cant find any good sites yet.. You check the ubuntu wiki yet? for grub/lilo restore
[07:35] <oferet> people, I got a red screen -> yaikes
[07:35] <nicholaspaul> Frafra - try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:35] <oferet> help
[07:35] <oferet> my pc does not like the ubuntu kernel package
[07:35] <dv_> oferet, ati drivers?
[07:35] <nicholaspaul> frafra - http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57794&highlight=scroll+usb
[07:36] <oferet> what do you mean ?
[07:36] <Frafra> thx nicholaspaul
[07:36] <no_dammagE> Dr_Willis: there is nothing regarding lilo
[07:36] <oferet> the computer is a old
[07:36] <nicholaspaul> :-) frafra
[07:36] <oferet> I do not think it has an ATI video card(if that is what you mean)
[07:36] <nicholaspaul> red screen? ooo... (jk)
[07:36] <sockpuppe1> which do you guys think is better LiLo or GRUB?
[07:37] <srijith> let the bootloader war begin
[07:37] <srijith> :)
[07:37] <oferet> ye red screen is serious
[07:37] <nicholaspaul> :S
[07:37] <benjamin1254> joti i have a full working pc
[07:37] <oferet> red screen of ...... (fill in)
[07:37] <benjamin1254> not mac though
[07:37] <nicholaspaul> worse than blue screen?
[07:37] <CptS> help, anyone? :(
[07:37] <benjamin1254> macs are 1 thing i dont have
[07:37] <oferet> well the damn thing does not work.. so I figure its equal
[07:37] <benjamin1254> besides 1 old school mac
[07:37] <MAPD> anyone here ever played cs1.6 on linux?
[07:37] <MAPD> :P
[07:38] <nicholaspaul> wassup cpts?
[07:38] <nicholaspaul> i got a q i got a q :)
[07:38] <etker> i cant unmount my DVD .... and my computer (an iMac!) has no eject button :-/
[07:38] <joti> benjamin: sound like you're in trouble then...there are plenty of old macos-cds sold on ebay
[07:38] <nicholaspaul> anyone know how to make an autorun disc, like on a pc but in ubuntu?
[07:38] <mr_daemon> Hey is anyone here knowledgable about mol (mac-On-Linux)
[07:39] <CptS> nicholaspaul: I want to remove alsa.. and need some help...
[07:39] <pfp> oferet: sorry, /me was on the phone
[07:39] <nicholaspaul> you should be able to uninstall with synaptic
[07:39] <oferet> did u see the error i got ?
[07:40] <pfp> oferet: can't install kernel?
[07:40] <oferet> yep
[07:40] <nicholaspaul> altho i'm afraid i've played with alsa alot and got really frustrated !!! (CptS)
[07:40] <gmoore> how do you make an init script to run something at boot time?
[07:40] <Seveas> nicholaspaul, fortunately that 'autorun' feature is disabled by default
[07:40] <Seveas> it's a good way for spreading viruses
[07:40] <nicholaspaul> serveas - it is? oh my !!
[07:40] <pfp> oferet: how old is your computer? maybe you need to create a /boot partition near the start of the disk
[07:41] <nicholaspaul> thx serveas - well thats saved me a ton of research - what about inc. a swf that can be run manually?
[07:41] <benjamin1254> joti: how would i get a old school mac cd cuz i dont have a paypal accnt and dont know ne way of what to do for filling out my information..... u might wana pm me for this 1 lol
[07:41] <oferet> very old
[07:41] <oferet> it's a PII
[07:41] <oferet> I cna get the whole specs list
[07:41] <oferet> but it's old
[07:41] <benjamin1254> i have an old pII i submerged in oil and it runs
[07:41] <mmoscosa> question...
[07:42] <mmoscosa> why cant i play videos on totem movie player
[07:42] <oferet> which oil would yu recommend me to use ?
[07:42] <benjamin1254> di electric oil
[07:42] <mmoscosa> ive downloaded the xine-nui
[07:42] <sockpuppe1> clues anyone?
[07:42] <Seveas> mmoscosa, what type of video?
[07:42] <mmoscosa> Seveas .avi
[07:43] <Seveas> mmoscosa, might be divx, you need w32codecs for that
[07:43] <pfp> oferet: what we're interested in is your partition setup and if your bios has some disk size limit, don't remember which atm....
[07:43] <mmoscosa> Seveas synaptic?!
[07:43] <CptS> nicholaspaul: how do i use synaptic?
[07:43] <sockpuppe1> seveas, i've got a question
[07:43] <Seveas> mmoscosa, it's in hoary-extras, look at http://backports.ubuntuforums.org for a url
[07:43] <MAPD> how to install all codecs needs for movies?
[07:43] <srijith> mmoscosa: vlc player would help?
[07:43] <Seveas> sockpuppe1, then ask :)
[07:44] <kemik> VLC for official player!! :)
[07:44] <sockpuppe1> when I encode .vob to .avi I get this mpeg error
[07:44] <sockpuppe1> from the avi
[07:44] <Seveas> sockpuppe1, I know nothing about vob encoding, sorry
[07:44] <pfp> oferet: do you have something else on the disk already, like windows?
[07:44] <sockpuppe1> its cool
[07:45] <oferet> no onthing
[07:45] <oferet> I think the bios allows large partitions
[07:45] <oferet> damn
[07:45] <pfp> hmm
[07:45] <oferet> ok, this is stupid, cause I am not sure
[07:45] <oferet> so what kind of specs are the minimum to install this system
[07:45] <oferet> or is there a list of things I should get
[07:46] <benjamin1254> did u know there is a theme out to make ur linux box look like windows xp?
[07:46] <pfp> p2 is still fine, maybe not for gnome though
[07:46] <oferet> I'll get it and we'd have a normal conversation, cause I am not sure of anything
[07:46] <pfp> :)
[07:46] <kemik> oferet: if you want gnome on a p2, you need at least 256mb of ram
[07:46] <oferet> I jsut want to install ubuntu and run a server to pracice JSP PHP MySQL and more
[07:46] <oferet> I do not know what gnome is anyway
[07:47] <pfp> gnome is a nice, but fat, desktop environment
[07:47] <kemik> oferet: for a server install a p2 is fine i guess. im running debian on my server, but that's because ubuntu wasnt around 3 years ago =)
[07:47] <oxez> is it me or the xchat version on the package tree is a bit outdated?
[07:47] <oferet> no..I need something light to run a server rather than have a nice desktop envrionment
[07:47] <ValiSystM> hello, i'm under breezy and i got a blank sreen when i boot on 2.6.12 kernel with framebuffer
[07:47] <ValiSystM> any idea ?
[07:47] <pfp> oferet: you could do a server installation then
[07:47] <kemik> oferet: just a server install is fine
[07:47] <oferet> exactly I wanted to install debian as well and I Was told that ubuntu is better
[07:48] <pfp> oferet: when you 1st boot the cd, type "server"
[07:48] <oferet> I tried
[07:48] <pax> if gnome is fat then what's kde, obese? :c)
[07:48] <oferet> I get the same error
[07:48] <kemik> pax :P
[07:48] <oferet> obese hahahahah funny
[07:48] <oferet> ok I'll reboot system,
[07:48] <Seveas> pax, rofl :)
[07:48] <jadedstar> pax beached whale :-P
[07:48] <srijith> oferet: is this still discussion on ur kernel error?
[07:48] <sockpuppe1> anyone know about .vob encoding?
[07:49] <oferet> yes
[07:49] <srijith> what is your mount partition like?
[07:49] <oferet> well I tried to install and I get a kernel erro
[07:49] <oferet> nothing
[07:49] <srijith> paritions..
[07:49] <oferet> I have nothing there
[07:49] <oferet> I am making a clean install
[07:50] <srijith> you didnt get to the point where you had to specify the partitions? in the install steps?
[07:50] <oferet> I am going to make it a server installation...
[07:50] <oferet> I did
[07:50] <oferet> but I am restarting
[07:50] <oferet> sec
[07:50] <pfp> oferet: you should try making the first partition around 30-100 MB and assigning it to /boot
[07:50] <lampshade> Hey, is AMD K7 the same as Athlon XP? I was going to upgrade my kernel image to one specifically for the athlon, but I want to double check what I'm doing in case the k7 is something different entirely.
[07:50] <oferet> ok I'll do that now
[07:50] <srijith> pfp's point exactly
[07:50] <srijith> keep /boot as your first partition
[07:50] <srijith> within 100MB
[07:51] <ValiSystM> lampshade, XP is a newer version of the K7
[07:51] <oferet> I'll make it 100 just to be sure
[07:51] <oferet> I mean what is optimal ?
[07:51] <MFen> what's a good smtp server? postfix?
[07:51] <lampshade> so the kernel image of the 2.6.10 on AMD K7 is not it I take it then? (I'm looking at that apt-cache search results)
[07:51] <srijith> haha.. I had set aside about 80M and I just use 11M!
[07:52] <pfp> oferet: you can get around with even 10 MB, but space lets you experiment with different kernels
[07:52] <srijith> unless you are into compiling kernels for supper, you dont need anything more than 100 I think
[07:52] <oferet> well I am willing to set aside even more, just to make it work
[07:52] <ValiSystM> lampshade, the 2.6.10 will work on your xp
[07:52] <ValiSystM> (i am running on)
[07:52] <pfp> though 100 MB is definately enough :)
[07:52] <oferet> in that case I'll stick to 100
[07:52] <srijith> oferet: actually setting aside more may creat problems!
[07:52] <ValiSystM> lampshade, the 2.6.10-k ;)
[07:53] <ValiSystM> lampshade, the 2.6.10-k7 ;)
[07:53] <srijith> remember we are putting /boot as first for a reason!
[07:53] <pfp> srijith is indeed correct .)
[07:53] <svu> where would I take the cd image of the last breeze beta?
[07:53] <oferet> ok I just set up the network manually again
[07:53] <oferet> now to the hd partition
[07:53] <sockpuppe1> what is the colony thing about
[07:53] <oferet> what other partitions should I have ?
[07:53] <srijith> oferet: swap
[07:54] <srijith> oferet: /home
[07:54] <srijith> oferet: /
[07:54] <krisg> testing
[07:54] <srijith> oferet: that I would say is the minimum
[07:54] <oferet> so the first one is going ot be boot = 100mb
[07:54] <oferet> swat second ?
[07:54] <oferet> how big ?
[07:54] <gro> svu: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/breezy/colony-3/
[07:54] <pfp> oferet: how big a disk have you got?
[07:54] <sockpuppe1> brb
[07:54] <oferet> 6.4 g
[07:55] <srijith> about the same as your RAM?
[07:55] <Carpe_Libertatem> Ok - I changed my res to 1600x1200 in xorg.conf, but I am only getting options for 1280x768 and lower in Gnome's screen res properties, and the screen is obviously not 1600x1200
[07:55] <lampshade> ValiSystM, you sure I'm good going with the K7 for my athlon XP?
[07:55] <ValiSystM> lampshade, yep
[07:55] <Concord_Dawn> can someone help me with setting up FTPd?
[07:55] <ValiSystM> go on
[07:55] <srijith> Carpe_Libertatem: does your card support higher res?
[07:55] <Carpe_Libertatem> Does in Windows.
[07:55] <Carpe_Libertatem> =P
[07:55] <ValiSystM> lampshade, but keep your i386
[07:56] <ValiSystM> we never knows
[07:56] <oferet> ok is boot primary ?
[07:56] <srijith> Carpe_Libertatem: and you got the right driver?
[07:56] <lampshade> ok
[07:56] <oferet> I have no idea when it comes to partitioning for linux
[07:56] <lampshade> sounds good, thanks
[07:56] <srijith> oferet: yup
[07:56] <Carpe_Libertatem> Not sure.
[07:56] <Carpe_Libertatem> How would I find out?
[07:56] <oferet> beginning I guess
[07:56] <pfp> oferet: you could just use /boot + swap + / , ie. everything else on the third partition. otherwise you could find yourself having empty space where you don't need it and vice versa
[07:56] <Impulse29> I have a laptop with a 1280x800 resolution... what can I do so ubuntu live runs?
[07:56] <chez> i'm having trouble building an application from source, can someone give me a hand?
[07:56] <lampshade> oferet, I didn't know partitions till Gentoo made me do it by hand
[07:57] <srijith> I don't know much of hw.. but letting us know what card u have would be start!
[07:57] <reiki_work> I just gave Ubuntu the whole brand new 160GB hard drive so I could play! :)
[07:57] <Carpe_Libertatem> I have a Radeon 9200 SE
[07:57] <Impulse29> srijith, me?
[07:57] <oferet> well if I am making a boot partiton I assumed its called boot, but no I have 10 names options
[07:57] <whistlerstag> hello, can somebody tell me where i can find a german channel?
[07:57] <srijith> oferet: u can keep all of them primary since u dont havemore than /, /home, /boot
[07:57] <lampshade> something that honestly, isn't necessary for people
[07:57] <emitrax--> hi
[07:57] <srijith> Impulse29: nope, sorry
[07:57] <MovieTrailerMan> I can only seem to get firefox to run as a root
[07:57] <lampshade> lampshade, partitioning by hand that is
[07:57] <oferet> ext3, ext2 reserFS JFS XFS FAt16 and 32, sawp
[07:57] <no_dammagE> Dr_Willis: I think I managed it. the point was that in my fstab my /mnt/hda8 (the root) was mounted as noexec,user,auto (what is= nodev), I modified it to use only the dev option and it seems: Added ubuntu *
[07:57] <oferet> swap*
[07:58] <svu> gro: shit. safari cannot find the server - while firefox can. isn't it great?:)
[07:58] <MovieTrailerMan> Is there any security implications running firefox as root?
[07:58] <pfp> oferet: ext3; that's the filesystem type
[07:58] <oferet> ok
[07:58] <no_dammagE> Dr_Willis: I'll reboot and come back with results - maybe we will learn both from this one :)
[07:58] <oferet> mount point /
[07:58] <nubbe> How do I prelink gnome-terminal the gnome-menu?
[07:58] <Carpe_Libertatem> srijith - DID YOU GET THAT?
[07:58] <Secretus> i have firefox on an ubuntu linux installation, however when I tried to install the newest version via apt-get, an error occured, and I can't install it by overwriting, and i can't remove it, what to do ? I've already checked with #firefox
[07:58] <Carpe_Libertatem> er
[07:58] <emitrax--> question: I tried to install ubuntu on a AMD 64, at my dad's office. The computer freezed right away... couldn't even start the kernel...
[07:58] <Carpe_Libertatem> sorry on the caps
[07:58] <pitti> MovieTrailerMan: why the hell you want to do this?
[07:58] <pfp> oferet: mount point for boot is /boot
[07:58] <srijith> choose ext3 if you want to play safe
[07:58] <oferet> is there something else I should add
[07:59] <Concord_Dawn> can anyone help me with setting up FTPd?
[07:59] <gro> svu: gotta love firefox ;)
[07:59] <oferet> :) tnx
[07:59] <Impulse29> in the ubuntu live, are the resolutions with the (*) enabled, or does that disable them?
[07:59] <emitrax--> does anybody know why? or what I can do ?
[07:59] <pr1sm> hey all, I am very new to ubuntu and was wondering how I find out what kernel I have, I need to know for an ATI driver update, I have 5.04
[07:59] <oferet> anything else I should add in this partition, I see options such as typical usage, and bootable flag
[07:59] <MovieTrailerMan> svu, svu that's a user problem
[07:59] <srijith> Carpe_Libertatem: no exerience with Radeon.. anyone knows which driver for Radeom 9200SE?
[07:59] <MovieTrailerMan> not a safari problem
[07:59] <emitrax--> pr1sm: uname -a
[07:59] <svu> gro: I do. Just happy for macos users:)
[07:59] <oferet> I think it should have the bootable flag right ?
[07:59] <darkheart> Impulse29 I don't know what the * is, but commented lines are preceded by #
[07:59] <Concord_Dawn> pr1sm, you probably have kernel 2.6.10 though.
[07:59] <svu> MovieTrailerMan: I know:)
[07:59] <srijith> Carpe_Libertatem: try google and found out the correct X driver
[07:59] <MovieTrailerMan> Safari is the greatest idea of Steve Job's yet. a browser that is a work of PURE GENIUS!!
[08:00] <srijith> unless someone else can help
[08:00] <pr1sm> thanks a lot emitrax
[08:00] <Carpe_Libertatem> srijith - how do I find out which driver I am usign now?
[08:00] <MovieTrailerMan> Steve Jobs is infallable, therefore, Safari is infallable
[08:00] <njan> pr1sm, uname -v
[08:00] <pfp> oferet: actually it (bootable flag)'s not necessary, doesn't hurt though
[08:00] <oferet> ok done
[08:00] <njan> pr1sm, uname -a will give you a load of information on your kernel, uname -v just gives you the version.
[08:00] <Impulse29> darkheart, when I go through the ubuntu live start, it asks me what resolution I want for my monitor, and it lists them... I don't know whether a * is enabling them (to the right), or if it disables them
[08:00] <pfp> oferet: otherwise defaults are fine
[08:00] <oferet> so I have to create now more partitions, which ones ?
[08:00] <gro> Impulse29: * enables them
[08:00] <pr1sm> ok ty
[08:00] <srijith> Carpe_Libertatem: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:00] <oferet> one more or 2 more ?
[08:00] <Impulse29> thank you:) I had it opposite:)
[08:01] <Secretus> i have firefox on an ubuntu linux installation, however when I tried to install the newest version via apt-get, an error occured, and I can't install it by overwriting, and i can't remove it, what to do ? I've already checked with #firefox
[08:01] <emitrax--> question: I tried to install ubuntu on a AMD 64, at my dad's office. The computer freezed right away... couldn't even start the kernel... does anybody know why? is it a known bug ?
[08:01] <pfp> oferet: then swap, 500M - 1G
[08:01] <MrPockets> hey, i have some files on my windows HDD, and i want a short cut to them on my linux HDD withought actualy copying the folder over, how can i just create a short cut to a directory?
[08:01] <oferet> 1 G then
[08:01] <srijith> Carpe_Libertatem: search for Section Device and associated driver
[08:01] <gro> Secretus: what is the error?
[08:01] <oferet> which would leave me 5.3 G to play with
[08:01] <Hikaru79> Does anyone know how wireless card support stands in ubuntu? Is it generally auto-detected on install? If not, is there a wiki guide to getting Wireless cards up and running? Thanks =)
[08:01] <oferet> cool ?
[08:01] <ishit> anyone here knows any good tutorial for kino video editing softaware
[08:01] <ValiSystM> Secretus, try with aptitude
[08:01] <pfp> oferet: plenty
[08:01] <Impulse29> MrPockets, make an alias
[08:01] <Secretus> ValiSystM:What is aptitude ? Sorry, i'm new
[08:01] <Petite_Yous> salut
[08:01] <oferet> beginning as well
[08:02] <oferet> swap hmm -> lets see
[08:02] <ValiSystM> Secretus, aptitude is same thing as apt-get, but better ;)
[08:02] <nubbe> menu-driven apt-get with some extras
[08:02] <Secretus> ValiSystM: Is it the same command ?
[08:02] <k1ng> i'm trying to mount multiple drives (NTFS). I looked this up on ubuntuguide.org and it shows me how to mount 1 drive (which i successfully did), but i'm not sure how to mount another drive.
[08:02] <Concord_Dawn> aptitude uses apt-get.
[08:02] <oferet> I made all hte partitoins primary
[08:02] <Concord_Dawn> it's just a GUI for it.
[08:02] <srijith> oferet: great :)
[08:03] <oferet> I made all hte partitoins primary
[08:03] <oferet> the 5.3 should be ext2 right ?
[08:03] <ishit> hey anyone any help on kino
[08:03] <ValiSystM> Concord_Dawn, and depency checks
[08:03] <Impulse29> starting ubuntu live it says "temporary error naming resolution"
[08:03] <pfp> oferet: ext3 is better
[08:03] <k1ng> "/dev/hda1 /media/windows ntfs nls=utf8,umask=0222 0 0" is what i have for my first.. do i just change the /dev/hda1 to the right drive and leave everything else the same?
[08:03] <srijith> ext3 or ext2.. ur choice, I would go with ext3
[08:03] <oferet> hahah :) thank you <-------- retard over here
[08:03] <ValiSystM> it makes the difference
[08:03] <Impulse29> I hear noise though
[08:03] <Concord_Dawn> k1ing: same thing as mounting the other drive, except choose a different mountpoint
[08:03] <oferet> what's teh difference ?
[08:03] <oferet> I mean I am making it ext3 but how does it work ?
[08:03] <pfp> ext3 has journaling
[08:03] <gro> k1ng: change /dev/hda1 to the right drive and change /media/windows to an other mount point
[08:04] <ValiSystM> aptitude makes suggestions on depency problems
[08:04] <oferet> I see that ... but what does it mean?
[08:04] <srijith> oferet: do you really want to get into file systems right now :)?
[08:04] <pfp> heh
[08:04] <oferet> well depends on how long and complex the explanation is
[08:04] <k1ng> i tried using /media/storage but it says that it doesnt exist. how can I create it?
[08:04] <oferet> I am not thick... but .. u know curious
[08:04] <k1ng> never mind
[08:04] <nubbe> mkdir /media/storage
[08:04] <gro> k1ng: mkdir /media/storage ;)
[08:04] <srijith> oferet: gogole is the master.. it will teach you more than any of us
[08:04] <k1ng> hehe.. i should think before i ask :)
[08:04] <srijith> hmm.. google
[08:04] <k1ng> thanks for the help
[08:05] <gro> k1ng: np
[08:05] <oferet> fair enough I will do so now
[08:05] <oferet> so now its formating and soon I'll get the kernel error again ... or maybe not we'll c
[08:05] <srijith> I am seeing a strange situation with my USB dongle
[08:06] <srijith> I have partitioined it to a fat32 and ext3..
[08:06] <pfp> oferet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journaling_file_system
[08:06] <srijith> when I automaount the thing, I get three dirs inside /media
[08:06] <srijith> two of which are ok, the fat32 and ext3.. but the 3rd seems to be the /dev/sdb as a whole!
[08:07] <srijith> anyone know why thi happens? happends in FC also
[08:07] <gro> srijith: maybe a problem with the partition table of the usb stick?
[08:08] <oferet> cool now I understand more or less how it work
[08:08] <oferet> its just a safety feature
[08:08] <ValiSystM> "just" hehe
[08:08] <oferet> a better file system, easier to backup I guess and more :) but I am still reading
[08:09] <Absenth> Wonder how long it'll be before Ubuntu get's ported to this.
[08:09] <Secretus> i have firefox on an ubuntu linux installation, however when I tried to install the newest version via apt-get, an error occured, and I can't install it by overwriting, and i can't remove it, what to do ? I've already checked with #firefox
[08:09] <srijith> gro: fdisk says fine.. any other way to check?
[08:09] <Absenth> http://www.projectblackdog.com/site/product.html
[08:09] <compdude> libtrash makes it safe to run as root :)
[08:09] <srijith> oferet: like your curious nature :)
[08:09] <gro> Secretus: what is the error you get?
[08:09] <dv> ubuntu tries to activate eth0 when booting
[08:09] <ValiSystM> Secretus, tell us what apt-get says
[08:09] <dv> is there a way to prevent this?
[08:10] <th0r> hello togheter i have a problem i need to install some applications to my system ... before i used Kanotix i just typed in root console apt-get install XXX that all folks now running ubuntu and this schematic doesent work anymore why`?
[08:10] <dv> this is a laptop, and its not permanently connected
[08:10] <Absenth> dv, you could disable the nic in bios.
[08:10] <dv> thus, I want to explicitely activate eth0 in the network dialog
[08:10] <Secretus> I will in a minute, just accidentaly closed terminal
[08:10] <tenco_> hi
[08:10] <dv> if I need it
[08:10] <Frafra> hi all
[08:10] <Absenth> dv, although I think on the OS side is a better idea :)
[08:10] <tenco_> i have problems here with a dlink dwl-g520
[08:10] <oferet> well thank you sir. But I see that it works under teh assumptions that the operations are atomic. I wonder how realistic is that
[08:10] <gro> srijith: sorry idea how to check it, but when uou automount do you get 2 or 3 shortcuts on the desktop?
[08:11] <Frafra> i need mcrypt module for python. where can i found it?
[08:11] <srijith> dv: my extreme method -> http://www.srijith.net/publications/ubuntu-nc6120.shtml
[08:11] <dv> i guess I can remove it from the runlevels
[08:11] <th0r> hello togheter i have a problem i need to install some applications to my system ... before i used Kanotix i just typed in root console apt-get install XXX that all folks now running ubuntu and this schematic doesent work anymore why`?
[08:11] <th0r> hello togheter i have a problem i need to install some applications to my system ... before i used Kanotix i just typed in root console apt-get install XXX that all folks now running ubuntu and this schematic doesent work anymore why`?
[08:11] <th0r> :)
[08:11] <tenco_> -> ath%d: unable to attach hardware; HAL Status 13
[08:11] <srijith> dv: search for "Slow bootup?"
[08:11] <Secretus> i have firefox on an ubuntu linux installation, however when I tried to install the newest version via apt-get, an error occured, and I can't install it by overwriting, and i can't remove it, what to do ? I've already checked with #firefox
[08:11] <Secretus> that's waht it says
[08:11] <Secretus> and firefox doesn't work
[08:12] <yccheok> is there any nice What u c is wat u get HTML editor to be recommance in ubuntu?
[08:12] <srijith> gro: I don't have a desktop.. :) Usinf fluxbox but yes /media shows usbdisk, usbdisk-1 and usbdisk-2
[08:12] <th0r> human beeings lol
[08:12] <th0r> bullshit
[08:12] <tenco_> can someone help me please with my wlan card?
[08:12] <svu> anyone running latest ubuntu on power g5 ?
[08:12] <kemik> tenco_: done the ndiswrapper howto ?
[08:12] <srijith> gro: in FC3, I get three shortcuts
[08:12] <kemik> !ndiswrapper
[08:12] <ubotu> rumour has it, ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[08:13] <tenco_> kemik: no, its an atheros card
[08:13] <tenco_> kemik: ?
[08:13] <kemik> tenco_: follow the link
[08:13] <tenco_> kemik: a dlink dwl-g520
[08:13] <Secretus> mozilla-firefox is already the newest version.
[08:13] <Secretus> You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
[08:13] <Secretus> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[08:13] <Secretus> mozilla-firefox-gnome-support: Depends: firefox-gnome-support but it is not going to be installed
[08:13] <Secretus> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[08:14] <Secretus> that's what it says, and firefox doesn't work
[08:14] <ubuntu> ubuntu = yay!!
[08:14] <apokryphos> Secretus: not a good idea to flood the channel.
[08:14] <Secretus> but wait
[08:14] <Secretus> apokryphos: I copied and paste an error message
[08:14] <apokryphos> Secretus: Yes. Please read the /topic always when entering a channel
[08:14] <kemik> !patebin
[08:14] <ubotu> kemik: Syntax error in line 1
[08:15] <kemik> !pastebin
[08:15] <ubotu> pastebin is, like, a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[08:15] <tenco_> kemik: but its an atheros card. shouldnt that work with the madwifi driver?
[08:15] <dv> but this disables the entire hotplug feature
[08:15] <kemik> Secretus: read what ubotu pasted
[08:15] <gro> srijith: try to recreate the partitions, and otherwise maybe time to submit a bug report ;)
[08:15] <dv> it must be possible to just prevent startup at boot
[08:15] <pitti> mdz: yes, -ar is the only package, fixing now
[08:15] <Secretus> Oh sorry
[08:15] <kemik> tenco_: dont know :)
[08:15] <theD3viL> Is possible that ubuntu was working slow when i was using my own desktop image... now works good ?
[08:15] <srijith> dv: yes.. , you try play around with the init using bum?
[08:16] <kemik> Secretus: did you try apt-get -f install ?
[08:16] <tenco_> kemik: ok, i will try it...
[08:16] <tenco_> kemik: thx so far
[08:16] <gro> Secretus: try the next xommando: sudo apt-get install firefox-gnome-support
[08:16] <srijith> gro: don't wanna recreate... has my GPG signing key there!
[08:16] <kemik> tenco_: np
[08:16] <Secretus> kemik: yes, the same message
[08:16] <kemik> now: tv
[08:16] <Secretus> gro: I will try
[08:16] <alnic> hallo all
[08:16] <ishit> wen u download n instal thru console where r the packages stored
[08:16] <dv> what is bum?
[08:16] <tristanmike> hello all
[08:17] <zukalk> hi
[08:17] <gro> Secretus: you will get another error, bu then we can find out which packages is creating the erros
[08:17] <zukalk> dv, bum is boot-up manager
[08:17] <gro> srijith: ok, maybe time to file a bug report ;)
[08:17] <dv> I cant find it
[08:18] <dv> apt-cache search bum says nothing useful
[08:18] <titaniululz> how do i run something as root from the menu?
[08:18] <meuserj|work> topic contradiction:"Please don't use Breezy yet" | "Colony 3 is available for testing"
[08:18] <MovieTrailerMan> what is the kde icon set that comes with kubuntu
[08:18] <MovieTrailerMan> ?
[08:18] <srijith> test!=use
[08:18] <srijith> test = abuse
[08:18] <srijith> :)
[08:18] <meuserj|work> how do you test it without using it?
[08:18] <dv> so where is bum?
[08:18] <Secretus> gro:I used to get error messages, but now not anymore , firefox still doesn't work though
[08:19] <srijith> bum = bootup manager
[08:19] <zukalk> dv, it doesn't come with hoary
[08:19] <titaniululz> i'm trying to run a gtk+ app and it needs to be run as root. when i run it from the gnome menu it doesn't start as root and just breaks. when i run it from a terminal it says gtk warning cannot open display, connection refused by server. how can i run it as root from the menu?
[08:19] <zukalk> dv, try this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42129
[08:19] <meuserj|work> I understand though.. test it if you know what you are doing... avoid it if you are a newbie...
[08:19] <srijith> dv: synaptic, apt-get
[08:19] <gro> Secretus: try starting firefox from the console
[08:19] <dv> I could use sys-rc.conf too
[08:19] <zukalk> dv: found it: http://www.marzocca.net/linux/bum.html
[08:19] <srijith> dv: sure I gues
[08:20] <gro> Secretus: command = mozilla-firefox
[08:20] <dv> but I cant find that too
[08:20] <dv> apt-cache and synaptic cant find it
[08:20] <Secretus> gro:Nope
[08:20] <srijith> dv: zukalk provided a URL.. I guess you need to add the repos
[08:21] <zukalk> srijith, dv, it's not about repos, just download the .deb
[08:21] <MAPD> any replace for msn
[08:21] <MAPD> with webcam support?
[08:21] <Secretus> aMSN
[08:21] <mindamp> i have tried vsftpd and proftpd, and whenever i login to ftp with a regular user... it doesn't list the remote directory...
[08:21] <mindamp> it just hangs
[08:21] <mindamp> any suggestions?
[08:22] <srijith> zukalk: oh ok.. must be that sorry for wrong info.. I just checked synaptic and it was there.. so I guess it was always listed :)
[08:22] <srijith> MAPD: gaim
[08:22] <srijith> MAPD: hmmm webcamm.. donno :)
[08:22] <dv> oh
[08:22] <dv> yeah
[08:22] <dv> :)
[08:22] <meuserj|work> there's always gaim-vv...
[08:22] <gmoore> how can i run a gtk app as root?
[08:23] <mindamp> sudo
[08:23] <mindamp> can anyone help with this ftpd problem?
[08:23] <Secretus> n ubuntu linux installation, however when I tried to install the newest version via apt-get, an error occured, and I can't install it by overwriting, and i can't remove it, what to do ?
[08:23] <zukalk> srijith, you're using Hoary or Breezy?
[08:23] <MAPD> amsn
[08:23] <gmoore> when i try it from terminal it doesn't load, when i do it from the gnome menu it loads but says it needs to be run as root. how do i run as root from the gnome menu?
[08:23] <darkheart> mindamp What do you mean it doesn't list it?
[08:23] <MAPD> is supposed to work with webcam
[08:23] <meuserj|work> nevermind.. gaim-vv doesn't support msn
[08:23] <srijith> zukalk: Hoary.. laptop too precious for Breezy :)
[08:24] <ompaul> not much
[08:24] <mindamp> it doesn't list any remote directory
[08:24] <mindamp> or anything in the directory for that matter
[08:24] <zukalk> srijith, that's weird. here's what it says: BUM is currently in Debian unstable and Ubuntu breezy repositories. These users can just apt-get it. Other users of debian-derivative distro's (i.e. Ubuntu Hoary) can just download the .deb package
[08:24] <mindamp> i did apt-get install proftpd
[08:24] <Frafra> hi all
[08:24] <dv> hmm
[08:24] <mindamp> logged in as regular user no problem.. but i can't change directories.. or even get a listing of any directory
[08:24] <ompaul> audio is better setup
[08:24] <srijith> zukalk: once you dpkg doen't it get listed in synaptic?
[08:25] <ReleaseX> does anyone else have their text garbled up when booting
[08:25] <Frafra> I need python2.4-mcrypt for breezy amd64. where can I found it?
[08:25] <dv> i guess all I have to do is disable the "networking" script at startup
[08:25] <zukalk> srijith, yes, but i thought you didn't have it installed
[08:25] <srijith> zukalk: I did..
[08:25] <srijith> dv didnt
[08:25] <darkheart> mindamp Sounds like you need to spend some time reading documentation for your ftp server settings.
[08:25] <srijith> dv: I hope so for your won good ;)
[08:25] <dv> I didnt do what?
[08:25] <srijith> s/won/own
[08:25] <titaniululz> i can't run any visual apps from the terminal (eg mozilla-firefox). i get the error > Xlib: connection to "unix:1000.0" refused by server Xlib: No protocol specified
[08:25] <Secretus> i have firefox on an ubuntu linux installation, however when I tried to install the newest version via apt-get, an error occured, and I can't install it by overwriting, and i can't remove it, what to do ?
[08:25] <mindamp> any help?
[08:26] <ompaul> ReleaseX, that is usually an indication that your video card is not supported or doing something strange
[08:26] <mindamp> secretus.. what do you mean you can't remove it
[08:26] <mindamp> apt-get remove firefox
[08:26] <srijith> dv: have bum installed
[08:26] <zukalk> Secretus, have you been using backports? i had the sane problem the other day
[08:26] <dv> i just installed it
[08:26] <dv> hmm
[08:26] <dv> networking is an S script
[08:26] <zukalk> same*
[08:26] <Secretus> mindamp: I know, but that gives errors
[08:26] <dv> not removable
[08:26] <mindamp> what errors
[08:26] <Secretus> zukalk: And what did you do to solve it ?
[08:26] <NightRider> Hello
[08:27] <mindamp> secretus.. try using synaptic
[08:27] <srijith> dv: can't you just do a ifup when you attach the cable?
[08:27] <Belutz> !java
[08:27] <ubotu> well, java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[08:27] <srijith> :)
[08:27] <Dizzle> hey guys
[08:27] <mindamp> could someone help with ftpd?
[08:27] <NightRider> I have 4 psyBNC:s running, from different folders, and now I need to shut down one (the correct one) of them
[08:27] <Dizzle> this is a dumb question, but I just installed ubuntu, and it won't let me log on ; ;
[08:27] <zukalk> Secretus, dunno if it's a good solution, but i manually did a dpkg -i --force-overwrite of the .deb that was in the apt cache
[08:27] <Secretus> mindamp: Can't start up synaptic, it asks for my password and when I enter it, the application just doesn't start
[08:27] <NightRider> How do I know which is the right one?
[08:27] <zukalk> Secretus, and it worked
[08:28] <mindamp> ftp help please
[08:28] <mindamp> /\
[08:28] <apokryphos> Dizzle: well, what's the error
[08:28] <Rebs> any cvscedega champs on?
[08:28] <Secretus> zukalk: I'm very new to linux, if you want, could you list the full command you did it with ?
[08:28] <dv> srijith, if I activate eth0 in the "Network" dialog
[08:28] <Dizzle> apok: it says invalid username and password
[08:28] <dv> does it just that? ifup?
[08:28] <Dizzle> but I never gave it a username or password
[08:28] <roham_> !theme
[08:28] <ubotu> roham_: Bugger all, i dunno
[08:28] <Dizzle> I just installed it..
[08:28] <roham_> !themes
[08:28] <ubotu> well, themes is at http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/ - http://www.guistyles.com
[08:28] <srijith> dv: I think so..
[08:28] <apokryphos> Dizzle: in the install, you certainly did....
[08:28] <darkheart> mindamp Have you configured your ftp server at all?
[08:29] <rob^^^> is there a switch to set default screen depth on the livecd?
[08:29] <srijith> dv: I am not much of GUI person
[08:29] <th4_bandit> srijith, can u help us install ubuntu ? it wont pick up this SATA drive
[08:29] <zukalk> Secretus, find the .deb of the new firefox version that you tried to install. it's in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[08:29] <Rebs> getting a page fault at 0x000000 when i load eq with cvs
[08:29] <srijith> th4_bandit: sorry.. I have no exerience with SATA.. am a pretty lousy person when it comes to hardwares
[08:29] <mindamp> darkheart... why yes
[08:30] <srijith> th4_bandit: just ask the crowd.. maybe they can help
[08:30] <mindamp> is everyone here half retarded?
[08:30] <th4_bandit> crowd???
[08:30] <darkheart> mindamp Only you
[08:30] <mindamp> right
[08:30] <mindamp> ive seen this problem on gentoo before...
[08:30] <mindamp> but vsftpd didn't have it
[08:30] <mindamp> so unemerged the others..
[08:30] <mindamp> but in ubuntu for some reason
[08:30] <th4_bandit> can any one help me with SATA and Ubuntu???
[08:30] <mindamp> they all have this problem
[08:30] <darkheart> mindamp What makes you think someone wants to help you now that you've tried to insinuate that we are all half retarded?
[08:31] <apokryphos> no ops around? Hm.
[08:31] <mindamp> remission?
[08:31] <darkheart> Why don't you go to #gentoo then?
[08:31] <Dizzle> I dont remember giving it a user name though... :(
[08:31] <darkheart> or #proftpd
[08:31] <Secretus> zukalk: And then double click it ?
[08:31] <darkheart> or #vsftpd
[08:31] <mindamp> hah
[08:31] <zukalk> Secretus, no
[08:31] <mindamp> cause this is a ubuntu problem
[08:31] <mindamp> has nothing to do with the ftpd
[08:31] <mindamp> but if you weren't half-retarded...
[08:31] <zukalk> Secretus, just copy/remember that filename
[08:31] <Secretus> ok
[08:32] <DanteAlighieri> mindamp: Half retarded? ;)
[08:32] <apokryphos> mdz Seveas: please ban/kick mindamp
[08:32] <darkheart> mindamp I probably could help you..but..I just don't feel like it now =)
[08:32] <zukalk> Secretus, then open a console and type: sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite [filename] .deb
[08:32] <Secretus> ok, i'll try it
[08:32] <mindamp> sure you could
[08:32] <roham_> How do I but transparency and shadows to the menues?
[08:32] <mindamp> retard
[08:32] <mindamp> :-)
[08:32] <DanteAlighieri> !lart mindamp
[08:32] <DanteAlighieri> ;)
[08:32] <mdz> mindamp: calm down, there's no need for that
[08:32] <Secretus> me is retard?
[08:32] <DanteAlighieri> Now your mojo is gone!
[08:32] <zukalk> Secretus, wait, it's /var/cache/apt/archives/[file] .deb
[08:32] <darkmatter> mindamp: retarded? that's slightly..well..rude.
[08:33] <darkheart> LoL
[08:33] <mindamp> is not...
[08:33] <mindamp> just blunt
[08:33] <mindamp> like what i smoked this morning
[08:33] <ReleaseX> anyone have experience installing the latest drivers for orinoco cards?
[08:33] <apokryphos> mindamp: no, just silly.
[08:33] <Secretus> zukalk : Ok
[08:33] <mindamp> cause i knew id have to deal with retards...
[08:33] <DanteAlighieri> mindamp likes the ganja
[08:33] <dv> ok.
[08:33] <apokryphos> :|
[08:33] <tristanmike> you could have said, learning disabled
[08:33] <srijith> th4_bandit: what is the problem as such?
[08:33] <mdz> mindamp: that was a warning
[08:33] <dv> now on to a heavyweight: ati drivers
[08:33] <dv> :
[08:33] <dv> :)
[08:33] <mindamp> what was a warning?
[08:33] <zukalk> Secretus, sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/[filename] .deb
[08:33] <mindamp> ok then...
[08:33] <mindamp> next topic nagios
[08:33] <darkheart> mindamp Keep poking, someone will poke back
[08:33] <th4_bandit> srijith, its no picking up my drive
[08:33] <mindamp> i hope so
[08:33] <roham_> anyone? How do I but transparency and shadows to the menues?
[08:33] <DanteAlighieri> Mindamp is just curious about the incidence of trisomy 21 in #ubuntu, right?
[08:34] <mindamp> i like being poked
[08:34] <DanteAlighieri> Of course, he said "half" retarded...
[08:34] <srijith> th4_bandit: oh.. too low level for me
[08:34] <DanteAlighieri> so I guess maybe one-and-a-halfsomy 21?
[08:34] <Secretus> zukalk I have to go now, but i'll try it again later, thank you very much
[08:34] <zukalk> Secretus, anytime
[08:34] <th4_bandit> srijith, do you know how i can boot qanother kernel?
[08:34] <apokryphos> DanteAlighieri: d'oh.. I must have missed it. That's a.o.k. then ;-)
[08:34] <omp342> i just downloaded ubuntu :)
[08:35] <DanteAlighieri> apokryphos: No, he was being rude, I was just being funny
[08:35] <apokryphos> DanteAlighieri: I know
[08:35] <th4_bandit> srijith, i wanna boot another kenberl at install
[08:35] <srijith> th4_bandit: checked forums? looks like there has been some conv. on this topic/
[08:35] <DanteAlighieri> Damn
[08:35] <mindamp> i have to give people some credit if they manage to get the easiest linux distro installed on their pc and hop on irc right
[08:35] <apokryphos> =)
[08:35] <mindamp> that means they are half their
[08:35] <srijith> grub doesn't list the kernel?
[08:35] <DanteAlighieri> apokryphos: I hate being unable to hear tone of voice in IRC. ;)
[08:35] <mindamp> at least
[08:35] <ReleaseX> anyone have experience installing the latest drivers for orinoco cards?
[08:35] <darkheart> mindamp So what are you doing in #proftpd if you said the ftp issue was an Ubuntu one?
[08:35] <DanteAlighieri> mindamp: you meant "there"... what are you, retarded? ;)
[08:36] <darkheart> lol
[08:36] <srijith> dv: what did you settle on?
[08:37] <Hikaru79> Does anyone know how wireless card support stands in ubuntu? Is it generally auto-detected on install? If not, is there a wiki guide to getting Wireless cards up and running? Thanks =)
[08:37] <th4_bandit> can someone here tell me the command to boot another kernel
[08:37] <dv> disabled the interfaces stuff
[08:37] <Rebs> got my wmp11v2.7 workin~
[08:37] <srijith> th4_bandit: not listed in grub>?
[08:38] <th4_bandit> srijith, no grun its not even installeed yet
[08:38] <srijith> dv: like I did or the rc way?
[08:38] <no_dammagE> Dr_Willis: ok, it worked, but now I'm sitting with a half-broken system - X hasn't been properly installed ...
[08:38] <th4_bandit> srijith, we cant install an OS if it cant pick up the drive
[08:38] <srijith> th4_bandit: opps.. :) what kernel do you want to install?
[08:38] <mindamp> chatting about how half there everyone here is
[08:38] <th4_bandit> srijith, iono i think there is oen that has sata support
[08:39] <th4_bandit> srijith, maybe 2.6 ??
[08:39] <dv> like you did
[08:39] <th4_bandit> srijith, can i list the kernel to boot in the she;;?
[08:39] <th4_bandit> shell**
[08:40] <srijith> th4_bandit: doesn't Hoary come with 2.6.10?
[08:40] <no_dammagE> can someone tell me why I get /usr/bin/X11/X not found while calling statrx / what do I have to install to get X?
[08:40] <jkezar> any reason why the "Screen Resolution" section under "System" only allows me to choose 640x480?
[08:40] <jkezar> is this answered in some ubuntu faq?
[08:40] <th4_bandit> srijith, ??
[08:40] <Rebs> anybody pretty good with cedega?
[08:41] <mindamp> the more and more i use ubuntu... the more i feel like an infant compared to gentoo
[08:41] <jschroed> Go back to gentoo
[08:41] <jschroed> I love having a 4-6% faster system that takes 3 days to compile
[08:41] <srijith> mindamp: try LFS then
[08:41] <mindamp> i mean all the faqs are for X
[08:41] <zukalk> mindamp, you're obviously too l33t for ubuntu
[08:41] <dv> hmm. did apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[08:41] <darkheart> mindamp LoL I like how you were kicked/banned from #slackware
[08:41] <mindamp> yeh thats it
[08:41] <mindamp> l33t
[08:42] <mindamp> hah
[08:42] <mindamp> i hate slackware too
[08:42] <mindamp> bunch of slackers
[08:42] <th4_bandit> zukalk, can u help me installing unbuntu with sata drives.. trhey arent being read
[08:42] <srijith> th4_bandit: dont think so.. the installer CD comes with only one kernel
[08:42] <no_dammagE> which pacakge does supply /usr/bin/X11/X?
[08:42] <dv> but now I have to start fglrxconfig, and copy over the xorg.conf settings, or does ubuntu automate this?
[08:42] <jschroed> You should switch to OpenBSD or HP-UX, that might be cool enough for you
[08:42] <srijith> th4_bandit: I think.. but I am know to be pretty wrong, most of the time
[08:42] <zukalk> th4_bandit, i have no idea how, sorry.
[08:42] <th4_bandit> okay
[08:43] <jschroed> My servers run HP-UX :-)
[08:43] <Carpe_Libertatem> How can I add a "terminal" session option at Ubuntu login, instead of "Failsafe terminal"?
[08:43] <th4_bandit> DOES any one here have any expierence with SATA nd UNBUNTU
[08:44] <Rebs> im installed on sata...but my installer had no problem detecting it
[08:44] <Rebs> have a8v deluxe motherboard
[08:44] <Rebs> using promise controller
[08:45] <srijith> th4_bandit: is SATA the only drive on ur box?
[08:45] <darkmatter> mindamp: how about LFS...you hate it to? ;)
[08:45] <darkheart> Awww...I wanted mindamp to get kick/banned..=\
[08:45] <Rebs> * mindamp has quit ("Leaving")\
[08:45] <Carpe_Libertatem> How can I add a "terminal" session option at Ubuntu login, instead of "Failsafe terminal"?
[08:45] <kelsey> bye
[08:45] <darkheart> Rebs That's why I said 'awww'
[08:45] <Gato> hola
[08:45] <AberMatt> does anyone know how you manually delete a package?
[08:45] <jschroed> Rebs: I know that the newest kernel release from kernel.org had alot of SATA improvements. Breezy will likely have better SATA support
[08:46] <Rebs> jschroed, i have no problems with my sata...runs at abuot 1600 and 56 or so using hdparm -tT
[08:46] <srijith> th4_bandit: ?
[08:46] <th4_bandit> srijith, the only hdd
[08:46] <th4_bandit> lol
[08:46] <darkheart> Carpe_Libertatem Do you really need that option? You can just hit ctrl+alt+f2 to switch to another terminal.
[08:46] <srijith> th4_bandit: I asked because of this -> http://distrocenter.linux.com/distrocenter/04/10/12/1424244.shtml?tid=127
[08:46] <Carpe_Libertatem> well
[08:46] <Rebs> jschroed, it was th4_bandit who needed help
[08:46] <Carpe_Libertatem> I'd like to have it.
[08:46] <jschroed> Rebs: Oh sorry, CGI IRC through a draconian Pix Firewall
[08:47] <th4_bandit> jschroed, can u help me with SATA?
[08:47] <srijith> th4_bandit: gave breezy a try?
[08:47] <Rebs> jschroed, s'ok, apparently nobody usings cedega here heh
[08:47] <Carpe_Libertatem> I am running Ubuntu inside of VMWare, and I don't need the GUI all the time.
[08:47] <paines> hi
[08:47] <srijith> Carpe_Libertatem: can't you intit 3 then?
[08:47] <jschroed> I am not a sata expert, I use SCSI and Fibre Channel mostly
[08:47] <darkheart> Carpe_Libertatem Don't know how to do that, sorry. I bet if you googled 'gdm adding menu options' or something like that, you might find something relevent.
[08:47] <roham_> Can somebody help me with Fvwm? I have installed it but dont know how to use it?
[08:47] <roham_> please
[08:47] <paines> i just installed colony 3 (amd64) and everything runs ! GREAT ! THANKS !
[08:48] <Carpe_Libertatem> init 3?
[08:48] <Carpe_Libertatem> =P
[08:48] <srijith> Carpe_Libertatem: instead of booting into a GUI, boot into CLI
[08:48] <vitriol> Carpe_Libertatem: you want gdm not running?
[08:48] <titaniululz> what do i need to edit to control what happens when the system boots up, ie if i want something done every time i start the system?
[08:48] <meuserj|work> Carpe_Libertatem, you can't do that.. gdm loads an X session.. a terminal is not an X session
[08:48] <roham_> anyone?
[08:48] <vitriol> Carpe_Libertatem: chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm
[08:48] <Carpe_Libertatem> Right
[08:49] <th4_bandit> srijith, mbreezy>?
[08:49] <HappyFool> titaniululz: look in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh -- you could add stuff there
[08:49] <vitriol> that will keep it from running when you boot
[08:49] <HappyFool> you can also use update-rc.d to disable/enable services (e.g., gdm)
[08:49] <srijith> th4_bandit: the development/next version of Ubuntu
[08:49] <pfp> roham_: what do you want to do with it?
[08:49] <titaniululz> ok. i got bootupmanager but it doesnt seem to really do anything other than turn things on/off... it doesnt let you add things through it
[08:49] <Carpe_Libertatem> all right - and when I want to run it would I just run gdm?
[08:49] <th4_bandit> srijith, nope could u link me/
[08:50] <Carpe_Libertatem> like ./etc/init.d/gdm?
[08:50] <vitriol> Carpe_Libertatem: /etc/init/dgdm start
[08:50] <vitriol> :)
[08:50] <roham_> pfp: I have themes I have downloaded, isnt there any "manager" for fvwm
[08:50] <Carpe_Libertatem> ok
[08:50] <meuserj|work> Carpe_Libertatem, what you COULD do is create an X session that is nothing but a fullscreen Xterm...
[08:50] <Carpe_Libertatem> ty
[08:50] <vitriol> eh you know what i mean
[08:50] <HappyFool> titaniululz: i haven't used BUM -- maybe you need to add an appropriate script to /etc/init.d
[08:50] <HappyFool> /etc/init.d/gdm start won't work if you've chmod -x 'ed it ;)
[08:50] <srijith> th4_bandit: look at the topic.. anyway here you go -> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-August/046217.html
[08:50] <pfp> roham_: vi / emacs :) - seriously, i'm not sure
[08:50] <HappyFool> /etc/init.d/gdm start won't work if you've chmod -x 'ed it ;)
[08:50] <vitriol> Carpe_Libertatem: you can also control gdm with rcconf
[08:51] <k1ng_> i cannot get sound to work in ubuntu. I went to ubuntuguide.org and installed multimedia codecs, and followed the isntructions on how to configure sound in gnome, and im not sure what else i can try. any ideas? (I have a Sound Blaster Live! sound card)
[08:51] <roham_> pfp? heh
[08:51] <Carpe_Libertatem> how do I rever the chmod -x?
[08:51] <Carpe_Libertatem> er
[08:51] <Carpe_Libertatem> reverse
[08:51] <darkheart> Carpe_Libertatem +x
[08:51] <vitriol> Carpe_Libertatem: chmod +x
[08:51] <Carpe_Libertatem> =P
[08:51] <Carpe_Libertatem> ok
[08:51] <vitriol> Carpe_Libertatem: it's probably easiest to use rcconf
[08:51] <pfp> roham_: when i used fvwm i used to edit the configuration by hand
[08:51] <srijith> Carpe_Libertatem: what is that you want? boo into a CLI?
[08:51] <srijith> boo=boot
[08:51] <vitriol> Carpe_Libertatem: you can control more than just gdm with rcconf
[08:51] <darkmatter> disabling gdm is great. especially since i use entrance
[08:51] <omp342> if i install ubuntu, i can format the fedora partition and install ubuntu on it from inside the installlation, right?
[08:51] <roham_> pfp it should be a manager
[08:52] <pfp> roham_: wasn't there any documentation w/ the themes... maybe they are conf file snippets that can be included in .fvwm2rc or something
[08:52] <Carpe_Libertatem> vitriol - yes
[08:52] <titaniululz> if i just want to call "/etc/init.d/proftpd start" on boot, what would be the easiest way?
[08:52] <srijith> omp342: clean install? sure
[08:52] <vitriol> titaniululz: install rcconf :)
[08:52] <roham_> pfp no no doc
[08:52] <omp342> no im on a dual boot with windows xp
[08:52] <HappyFool> titaniululz: look at 'update-rc.d'
[08:52] <pfp> roham_: well, fvwm isn't really the most intuitive wm
[08:53] <titaniululz> HappyFool, where is that?
[08:53] <vitriol> titaniululz: you can control what is started during bootup with rcconf...
[08:53] <srijith> omp342: i mean you don't need FC and Ubuntu and XP right?
[08:53] <meuserj|work> titaniululz, update-rc.d proftpd defaults
[08:53] <titaniululz> vitriol, i can do it manually just as easily i guess
[08:53] <HappyFool> titaniululz: 'man update-rc.d' -- it should be installed already
[08:53] <Ex-Cyber> how can I find out what transmission rate a serial port is set to?
[08:53] <darkmatter> pfp: twm is. :P
[08:53] <omp342> i basically want to replace fedora with ubuntu
[08:53] <Carpe_Libertatem> apt-get rccf will work?
[08:53] <omp342> and leave xp unchanged
[08:53] <Carpe_Libertatem> er
[08:53] <pfp> darkmatter lol
[08:53] <Carpe_Libertatem> rcconf
[08:54] <titaniululz> so "update-rc.d proftpd start" ?
[08:54] <HappyFool> defaults
[08:54] <HappyFool> not start
[08:54] <meuserj|work> omp342, yes.. you can do that
[08:54] <titaniululz> oh ok
[08:54] <srijith> omp342: sure you can thrash the parition.. :) YOu can also decide to carry forward your /home if that is on a different parition and resue them on Ubuntu
[08:54] <HappyFool> you can use invoke-rc.d to start/stop a service
[08:54] <vitriol> Carpe_Libertatem: apt-get install rcconf
[08:54] <meuserj|work> as root.. so "sudo update-rc.d proftpd defaults"
[08:54] <skora> hi - in gnome, my bottom applet is no longer working.
[08:54] <srijith> s/resue/reuse
[08:54] <EnsignRedshirt> Hello, world.
[08:54] <vitriol> you can use it to control gdm, entrance, acpi, apm and a bunch of other stuff
[08:54] <titaniululz> going to check if it worked, brb
[08:55] <DanteAlighieri> Anyone else having problems with /.?
[08:55] <darkmatter> Hello EnsignRedShirt
[08:55] <EnsignRedshirt> I am setting up an external hard drive as a backup. Any reason I shouldn't use ext3 for the filesystem?
[08:55] <omp342> and when i do that
[08:55] <omp342> will ubuntu replace the fedora bootloader with a new one?
[08:55] <ompaul> middle button issues in breezy?
[08:55] <vitriol> EnsignRedshirt: i prefer fat32 for my external hard drive
[08:55] <roham_> pfp what should I use to get a nice wm? with menu shadows and trans.
[08:55] <roham_> psp :P
[08:55] <srijith> omp342: yes
[08:56] <omp342> okay
[08:56] <omp342> :)
[08:56] <vitriol> EnsignRedshirt: you can do back-ups for mac, linux and windows on that one drive with fat32
[08:56] <srijith> omp342: personal exprience ..
[08:56] <vitriol> EnsignRedshirt: but if you're just doing back-ups for a linux machine and nothing else ext3 would be fine
[08:56] <Impulse29> how can I use my non-standard monitor resolution with ubuntu?
[08:56] <vitriol> fat32 has read/write support on just about every platform
[08:57] <vitriol> Impulse29: what res?
[08:57] <Impulse29> vitriol, 1024x800
[08:57] <omp342> i dont have anymore CD-Rs.. =/ im gonna have to waste a dvd-r :D
[08:57] <srijith> vitriol: but it doesn support file locking etc..
[08:58] <vitriol> Impulse29: you can manually edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf to make that your resolution
[08:58] <meuserj|work> Impulse29, woah... that's a weird resolution...
[08:58] <Impulse29> yah, dell i6000
[08:58] <EnsignRedshirt> vitriol: Two questions: Is fat32 the same as vfat? (The drive came preformatted, and mount it with -t auto, it shows up as vfat.) Does fat32 have any restrictions on filenames?
[08:58] <pfp> roham_: well, i've been quite happy ever since i switched to gnome and whatever-it-was-this-default-wm-is-called.... it's actually nice when you can't / don't have to tune every detail :)
[08:58] <vitriol> EnsignRedshirt: i think vfat is the same
[08:58] <vitriol> as fat32
[08:58] <pfp> roham_: if you want eye candy, maybe enlightenment is for you
[08:58] <meuserj|work> EnsignRedshirt, yes fat32 == vfat
[08:58] <keyshawn> ahh man, i lost my xchat window because I minimized it - i cant see if anyone had any responses or not [cant check log file, ill lose my window again]
[08:58] <vitriol> EnsignRedshirt: you mean file name length? i don't know
[08:58] <meuserj|work> roham_, enlightenment 17 is beautiful
[08:59] <EnsignRedshirt> meuserj|work: Thanks.
[08:59] <a1zi> hey
[08:59] <a1zi> hey
[08:59] <EnsignRedshirt> vitriol: Yes, restriction on file name length, case, etc.
[08:59] <roham_> meuserj|work how does it work? is it under gnome?
[08:59] <a1zi> is there a program to back up your linux system like NORTON GHOST does for windows?
[08:59] <vitriol> EnsignRedshirt: no restriction on upper case, lower case and special characters.....
[09:00] <roham_> pfp is it easy to use? like its for gnome... gnome is really easy to use
[09:00] <omp342> is ext3 the right partition type?
[09:00] <a1zi> is there a program to back up your linux system like NORTON GHOST does for windows?
[09:00] <vitriol> EnsignRedshirt: there probably is a restriction on file name length in fat32, but i don't know what it is
[09:00] <roham_> pfp I be right back need to logout / login
[09:00] <srijith> fat32 != vfat
[09:00] <jschroed> a1zi: SystemImager is one, there are several others
[09:00] <pfp> omp342: yes, almost always
[09:00] <meuserj|work> roham_, no.. it's something that runs seperately.. and E17 isn't released yet, so you would either have to compile it from source or find someone who has made packages for it.
[09:00] <omp342> ok
[09:00] <a1zi> jschroed, is it free?
[09:00] <jeremy123> whats the command to change your password
[09:00] <srijith> omp342: unless you want bleeding edge ...
[09:00] <jeremy123> i forgot
[09:01] <apokryphos> jeremy123: passwd
[09:01] <srijith> jeremy123: passwd
[09:01] <srijith> opps :)
[09:01] <jeremy123> thanks bye
[09:01] <zukalk> meuserj|work, i've installed Enlightenment through apt-get, but it doesn't show up in the GDM logon screen
[09:01] <EnsignRedshirt> Can a mac read ext3?
[09:01] <DanteAlighieri> !start an editor war
[09:01] <ubotu> notepad is better than xemacs
[09:01] <alexis_> hi
[09:01] <omp342> and one other question: is the setup process different when installing on a SATA harddrive?
[09:02] <roham_> pfp where can I find it?
[09:02] <EnsignRedshirt> ubotu: Right on.
[09:02] <ubotu> EnsignRedshirt: Do they come in packets of five?
[09:02] <DanteAlighieri> !pfp
[09:02] <ubotu> DanteAlighieri: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[09:02] <equex> is there a list somewhere with the improvements/changes in breezy?
[09:02] <k1ng_> can someone help me get my sound working?
[09:02] <apokryphos> !breezy
[09:02] <ubotu> somebody said breezy was the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It can and will be broken, and can damage your system. Differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/
[09:02] <DanteAlighieri> ubtotu doesn't know about pfp apparently...
[09:02] <srijith> omp342: someone earlier was having trouble with SATA hdd
[09:02] <equex> ty
[09:02] <omp342> =/
[09:02] <mjr> omp342, not really, unless there's some problem of course
[09:02] <pfp> :O
[09:02] <roham_> hehe
[09:02] <omp342> for example, for fedora all i did was a normal install
[09:02] <DanteAlighieri> I'm trying to get 4 SATA drives hooked up via a PCI-E SATA RAID card
[09:02] <omp342> it didnt even ask me a question about a SATA hard drive
[09:02] <tenco_> how can i prevent kernel modules from being loaded?
[09:03] <srijith> omp342: looks like you are a good test case for Ubuntu :)
[09:03] <meuserj|work> zukalk, yeah.. the package doesn't install a session for it... you can make one yourself.. but I'm not sure where it needs to live. It's been a while since I've had to do that.
[09:03] <pfp> roham_: apt-get install enlightenment
[09:03] <vitriol> tenco_: comment the module out in /etc/modules
[09:03] <Impulse29> vitriol, when the live loads, it says "error : temporary failure in name resolution"
[09:03] <tenco_> vitriol: its not in there
[09:03] <vitriol> tenco_: then it shouldn't be loading
[09:03] <roham_> pfp is it easy to use?
[09:03] <pfp> roham_: enlightenment is prolly the complete antithesis of fvwm :)
[09:03] <vitriol> tenco_: all modules are listed in there
[09:03] <zukalk> meuserj|work, okay, i'll do some googling later
[09:03] <tenco_> vitriol: no
[09:03] <DanteAlighieri> Seriously though, anyone know what's wrong with slashdot?
[09:04] <k1ng_> I have a Sound Blaster Live! 5.1 card, and i've installed multimedia codexs already (ubuntuguide.org) but I still can't get sound working. Any idas?
[09:04] <pfp> roham_: hard to say, prolly yes, though it's a few years since i tried it
[09:04] <tenco_> vitriol: wlan, ath_* are loaded but not in /etc/modules
[09:04] <vitriol> ooohhh
[09:04] <roham_> pfp: but is it like a manager thing with it? :P
[09:04] <omp342> im burning it right now
[09:04] <vitriol> tenco_: is this ndiswrapper stuff?
[09:04] <roham_> pfp: really new @ linux sorry for stupid questions :P
[09:05] <tenco_> vitriol: no
[09:05] <omp342> it should finish burning in 2 minutes :)
[09:05] <pfp> roham_: heh, check the project's home page :)
[09:05] <srijith> omp342: burning what?
[09:05] <omp342> ubuntu cd
[09:05] <tenco_> vitriol: i want to prevent the kernel from loading wlan and ath_* modules so that these modules do not interfere with ndiswrapper
[09:05] <roham_> !enlightenment
[09:05] <ubotu> [enlightenment] at Enlightenment (or "E") is a window manager for X, providing a useful, and good looking graphical shell in which to work; install: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46105
[09:05] <vitriol> tenco_: you can turn those NIC's off in /etc/network/interfaces
[09:06] <vitriol> beyone that i don't know
[09:06] <roham_> pfp: last question how do I install a icon pack? its in a zip file...
[09:06] <omp342> i ordered a free copy from the website since my internet connection isnt fast, but i couldnt wait so i just downloaded the iso (too 4 hours) :)
[09:06] <vitriol> but surely one of the 495 people in here can help you :)
[09:06] <omp342> took*
[09:06] <tenco_> vitriol: the only interfaces in interfaces(5) are lo and wlan0 (<- ndiswrapper)
[09:06] <meuserj|work> roham_, I believe all you have to do is unpack it in a directory in /usr/share/icons
[09:07] <srijith> omp342: I remember I ordered one a loong loong time ago and it never arrived.. :)
[09:07] <gmoore> a
[09:07] <vitriol> tenco_: wlan0 is loaded through ndiswrapper?
[09:07] <tenco_> vitriol: yes.
[09:07] <roham_> meuserj: thx
[09:07] <vitriol> tenco_: there is a flag to ndiswrapper to uninstall a driver or disable it
[09:07] <srijith> omp342: so you might be better off just burning one.. as you are doing niw
[09:07] <vitriol> tenco_: i don't remember what it is but ndiswrapper -h will tell you
[09:07] <alexis_> i've got problems with my desktop, I can't be more than 1024x768 why? (sorry for my english)
[09:08] <srijith> alexis_, video card limitation?
[09:08] <gmoore> i manually made a user and a group for use with an ftp server i've since uninstalled; is it safe to just leave the user/group or should i remove them?
[09:08] <tenco_> vitriol: no. ath is a linux kernel driver
[09:08] <liran> how do i install those transparent cpu/weather bars on the desktop?
[09:08] <ompaul> !tell alexis_ about resolution
[09:08] <srijith> gmoore: why not delete them.. safer :)
[09:08] <liran> i thought that adding them to the panel on gnome is what i wanted, but it isnt.
[09:08] <ompaul> alexis that should help you
[09:08] <vitriol> tenco_: ath? via madwifi?
[09:08] <tenco_> vitriol: yes
[09:08] <omp342> yah its done burning
[09:09] <vitriol> tenco_: i haven't had any of those :\ never used madwifi before
[09:09] <srijith> omp342: let us know how it goes
[09:09] <alexis_> ok thx
[09:09] <tenco_> vitriol: ok
[09:09] <tenco_> vitriol: thanks anyway
[09:09] <AberMatt> !tell abermatt about resolution
[09:09] <omp342> should i format the fedora partition in ubuntu setup or in partitionmagic?
[09:09] <ompaul> omp342, are you replacing fedora with Ubuntu?
[09:09] <gmoore> ok i made them with 'groupadd' and 'useradd'... can i just 'groupdel' or something similar?
[09:10] <omp342> yes
[09:10] <srijith> omp342: if you are thrashing FC, just use Ubuntu setup
[09:10] <ompaul> omp342, so it should be Ubuntu then :)0
[09:10] <omp342> okay
[09:10] <chrismy> hi guys which newest PHP and mySQL i should install? i am setting up my website :D
[09:10] <meuserj|work> omp342, whatever you prefer.. you can format with more filesystem types if you use the ubuntu partitioner though
[09:10] <HappyFool> !lamp
[09:10] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Hoary is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP
[09:10] <gmoore> chrismy: i just set up apache2 + php4 + mysql4 and it works
[09:10] <chrismy> ompaul, hi there
[09:10] <omp342> im gonna try installing now, ill be back after im done
[09:10] <kevin_> hey how do i use nuatilus cd burner?
[09:11] <ompaul> hi chrismy
[09:11] <gmoore> chrismy: follow obotu
[09:11] <kevin_> like it says its installed
[09:11] <srijith> gmoore: man groupdel
[09:11] <kevin_> but where is it at?
[09:11] <gmoore> srijith: thanks
[09:11] <chrismy> gmoore, yes i know lamp and i am running apache2 now. but i just do not know which php and mysql to pick. there are a list of that
[09:11] <HappyFool> read the wiki page
[09:12] <gmoore> chrismy: it says on lamp, php4 mysql4
[09:12] <chrismy> HappyFool, yes just saw that
[09:12] <liran> how do i install those transparent cpu/weather bars on the desktop? i thought that adding them to the panel on gnome is what i wanted, but it isnt.
[09:12] <bronco> how can I add ndiswrapper so it starts up automatically?
[09:12] <liran> bronco, man update-rc.d
[09:13] <HappyFool> !ndiswrapper
[09:13] <ubotu> I heard ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[09:13] <ReleaseX> bronco, ndiswrapper -m
[09:14] <tenco_> vitriol: found it -> /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[09:14] <x_or> Is there a good Gnome RTF reader? OpenOffice is too bloated.
[09:14] <vitriol> tenco_: oohh congrats
[09:14] <Alrighta> Guys, I have 2 OS's installed - Windows and Linux. I want to delete my Windows partition and add the unallocated space to my linux partition - however, in GParted, I cannot edit anything in my linux partition, it has a "lock" icon to the right of the partition. Windows - NTFS, Linux - ext3
[09:14] <Alrighta> What should I do?
[09:15] <srijith> liran: looking for GKrellM?
[09:15] <capi> Anyone know a good ftp server with strong support for virtual users
[09:15] <gmoore> capi: i just installed proftpd and im configuring it now using gproftpd graphic frontend and it works well
[09:15] <meuserj|work> Alrighta, you can't resize a partition that is mounted
[09:16] <meuserj|work> Alrighta, the way I get around that is make a custom ubuntu cd with gparted on it.
[09:16] <chrismy> gmoore, thanks i am reading that page..amazing ;P
[09:16] <Carpe_Libertatem> Can anyone tell me how to create a usergroup where all users will have similar restrictions? I want their disc quotas to be about 10mb, only access their home directories, (like, /home/paulyboy/), and run only 4 processes.
[09:16] <HappyFool> maybe something like knoppix has gparted/qparted
[09:16] <liran> srijith, thanks ill look it up in synaptic
[09:16] <meuserj|work> Alrighta, live cd that is
[09:16] <cloudreader> Alrighta: or put gparted on a usb drive and boot with alive cd
[09:16] <capi> gmoore, not a fan of proftpds virtual users, I like vsftpd's control more but it doesn't satisfy me either.
[09:16] <Alrighta> meuserj|work, I'm a newbie - can you tell me please what mounting is?
[09:17] <Alrighta> I have Knoppix live CD
[09:17] <Exo0dus> #ubuntu-es
[09:17] <gmoore> capi: why dont you like it
[09:17] <vitriol> Alrighta: if you are reading and writing to and from a partition, it is mounted
[09:17] <meuserj|work> Alrighta, it means the drive is being used.. kinda...
[09:18] <meuserj|work> Alrighta, but just because you aren't reading/writing to the partition at the moment.. it is still mounted unless you explicitly unmount it
[09:18] <Alrighta> So "unmounting" my linux partition will mean I wouldn't be able to 'use' it?
[09:18] <vitriol> Alrighta: the command to unmount a partition is unmound /path/to/partition
[09:18] <vitriol> Alrighta: to unmount it, you would have to be logged out and not using the partition
[09:18] <meuserj|work> Alrighta, right.. so you obviously can't unmount the root partition
[09:18] <srijith> any fluxbox users?
[09:18] <Alrighta> I see. Well, so I'll just use my Knoppix live CD.
[09:19] <meuserj|work> Alrighta, that'll work
[09:19] <vitriol> Alrighta: yes, but does the knoppix cd have gparted on it?
[09:19] <kevin_> what decoder do i need to downlod in order to play mp3 and wmv files?
[09:19] <HappyFool> !restricted
[09:19] <ubotu> well, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:19] <Alrighta> vitriol, I really hope so.
[09:19] <HappyFool> check for qparted as well; i think knoppix is kde-based
[09:19] <filip_> where can i look what harddrive i have in ubuntu ?
[09:19] <srijith> I kneel before Wine.. it runs Photoshop!
[09:20] <HappyFool> filip_: 'sudo fdisk -l' will tell you all partitions ubuntu can find; not sure if that's what you want
[09:20] <Alrighta> Btw, is there any way to "format" linux? I always just delete my partition, is that alright?
[09:20] <meuserj|work> Alrighta, it is also pretty easy for an experienced user to make a custom ubuntu live cd.... if you can find someone to make one for you... I would do it for you, but I'm at work right now.
[09:20] <omp342> the installation is having trouble reading my cd, i think its because i ran out of cd-rs and burned it on a dvd-r =/
[09:20] <capi> gmoore, I'm looking for a proftpd server that is based on virtual users. If I remember correctly proftpd works by masking a local users name with a virtual user.
[09:20] <filip_> HappyFool: i will check that
[09:20] <srijith> omp342: hmm.. shouldn't it be able to?
[09:21] <titaniululz> capi, (this is gmoore) i thought they all worked like that?
[09:21] <omp342> i dont know..
[09:21] <omp342> when the instalation starts
[09:21] <Alrighta> meuserj|work, I will remember that ;o
[09:21] <omp342> after a few questions
[09:21] <Alrighta> :)
[09:21] <srijith> I thought the install should work with DVDs...
[09:21] <omp342> when it wants to start copying files
[09:21] <omp342> it doesnt work
[09:21] <omp342> well, i dont have the dvd version of the iso
[09:22] <omp342> i burned the cd version on a dvd
[09:22] <omp342> i know it worked on fedora
[09:22] <capi> titaniululz, all of them I've seen do that. I was just wondering if anyone knew one that does things differently.
[09:22] <omp342> but its not working here
[09:22] <srijith> omp342: oh ok.. never tried than combo
[09:22] <kevin_> Can anyone help me? What decoder do i need to get in oreder to play mp3 files?
[09:22] <Alrighta> Btw, guys, why can't I hear music decently? Although I have sound, my mp3's(as well as Audio CDs) sounds terrible. Any ideas?
[09:22] <titaniululz> capi, ah, ok. :)
[09:22] <Impulse29> vitriol, I couldn't find that file I need to modify
[09:22] <oferet> srijith and pfp, sorry for the delay as I took a break. But the problem is the same one. An error was returned while trying to install teh kernel into the target system
[09:22] <srijith> !restricted
[09:22] <oferet> any ideas?
[09:22] <ubotu> I guess restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:22] <filip_> No sudo fdisk -l does not give me the information i whant, i need to check if i have an IDE or S-ata harddrive.
[09:22] <erb> hello
[09:22] <srijith> kevin_, check the link above
[09:22] <kevin_> what link>
[09:23] <meuserj|work> Alrighta, make sure your PCM volume isn't too high.. it should only be about 56-60%
[09:23] <EnsignRedshirt> !tell kevin_ about restricted
[09:23] <meuserj|work> err 50-60 is what I meant
[09:23] <srijith> oferet: what the heck.. hmm
[09:23] <titaniululz> filip_, look at the cable and if it's a large flat ribbon like the one connected to your cd drive it's ide, if it's a tiny ribbon less than an inch wide it's sata
[09:23] <srijith> oferet: ever installed any linux on that box before?
[09:23] <Alrighta> meuserj|work, PCM volume?
[09:23] <srijith> kevin_, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:23] <filip_> okey uhm how long is an inch in centimeter?
[09:23] <HappyFool> meuserj|work: really? i didn't know that
[09:23] <titaniululz> 2.5
[09:23] <oferet> no
[09:23] <erb> how can i enable my mouse wheels?
[09:23] <oferet> never
[09:24] <oferet> srijith, never
[09:24] <capi> titaniululz, I haven'ts tried proftpd in a while, does it let you alter the permissions of each virtual user?
[09:24] <srijith> oferet: this happens during the install process right?
[09:24] <titaniululz> filip_, google image search for ide cable and sata cable to see what they look like
[09:24] <omp342> im gonna try installing again
[09:24] <roham_> enlightenment dosnt work for me... and why cant gnome have shadows under menues?
[09:24] <oferet> strijith: yes
[09:24] <meuserj|work> Alrighta, right click on your little speaker applet on the top right corner and open the volume control
[09:24] <filip_> okey i will :=)
[09:25] <titaniululz> capi, yes. you can do it through the config apache-style or you can do it with gproftpd (GTK+ frontend, which i'm using right now) and set each user to different permissions, directories, etc
[09:25] <meuserj|work> Alrighta, or run gnome-volume-control
*CRASH*
[09:25] <titaniululz> capi, eg i have an upload user who can only go to /mnt/storage/ftp/upload/ and can upload, append, and create dirs, as well as a 'website' user that can only go to /mnt/storage/www/ and has full access (read/write)
[09:25] <oferet> srijith: it says that there is a log I could check. if I'd get it would that help ?
[09:25] <omp342> ok its booting from cd now im entering setup
[09:26] <srijith> oferet: I guess so.. can't promise anything
[09:26] <frank_bb> can anyone help me with a problem installing themes in WindowMaker?
[09:26] <Alrighta> meuserj|work, alright, though, I don't see the % ...
[09:26] <srijith> omp342: fingers crossed :)
[09:26] <oferet> srijith: no, you gotta promise !!! :) j/k
[09:26] <bluefoxicy> oh new language pack on breezy
[09:26] <meuserj|work> Alrighta, I just mean it shouldn't be much more than halfway up.
[09:26] <omp342> ya it couldnt read it
[09:26] <bluefoxicy> maybe this will make spellcheck work in openoffice again
[09:26] <omp342> ill try doing it from my other drive
[09:26] <roham_> pfp ya here?
[09:26] <Alrighta> meuserj|work, well, it was up the highest
[09:27] <filip_> now i whant everybody here listen to me, i have had ubuntu for some days and there had been some problems but now they all is fixed but the point tha damn fast help you get here in the irc. that makes Ubuntu far better then Windows.
[09:27] <chrismy> ompaul, you have a server of your own?
[09:27] <meuserj|work> Alrighta, that may be part of your problem then
[09:27] <pfp> roham_: still, for a while
[09:27] <roham_> pfp: dosnt work that easy they made it on the forum
[09:27] <srijith> filip_, preaching to the converted? :)
[09:27] <roham_> !enlightenment
[09:27] <ubotu> enlightenment is, like, at Enlightenment (or "E") is a window manager for X, providing a useful, and good looking graphical shell in which to work; install: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46105
[09:27] <titaniululz> filip_, :)
[09:27] <oferet> pfp, have you heard of my progress with the install process ?
[09:27] <omp342> ok im trying again, this time with my other drive
[09:27] <roham_> pfp. in there ^
[09:28] <srijith> roham_: pfp mia i think .. :)
[09:28] <bluefoxicy> I theorize that somebody needs the fuck smacked out of them, probably somebody who wrote a library
[09:28] <filip_> srijith: what you meen i am not that good att english.
[09:28] <bluefoxicy> because evince keeps crashing and I'll bet a library it uses that's "Compatible" with the older version isn't.
[09:28] <oferet> srijith: is there something particular I should look for ?
[09:28] <bluefoxicy> (it won't even start)
[09:28] <meuserj|work> man.. upgrading to breezy takes a long time.. especially when you have both ubuntu and kubuntu installed.....
[09:28] <srijith> filip_: we all already agree Linux (Ubuntu) better than windows, at least most of us..
[09:29] <omp342> hmm ill have to wait until i can get cd-r's =/
[09:29] <srijith> oferet: hmm.. "error' or something like that?
[09:29] <filip_> hehe okey
[09:29] <filip_> i agree
[09:29] <bluefoxicy> meuserj|work: careful with breezy
[09:29] <bluefoxicy> it's shakey.
[09:29] <erb> somebody, im using U510, and my mouse wheel doesnt works
[09:29] <srijith> bluefoxicy: like a breeze..
[09:29] <srijith> ;)
[09:29] <chrismy> anyone knows how to code defensively?
[09:29] <filip_> btw i get an IDE cabel :)
[09:29] <pfp> oferet: uh yeah :)
[09:29] <titaniululz> the only thing ubuntu is really missing is driver support as complete as windows. say what you want but every damn soundcard you can name just works in windows xp; can't say the same for ubuntu (although i know it uses ALSA and they're the ones lagging behind ;) )
[09:29] <Carpe_Libertatem> I need some help setting up user/group permissions in Linux. Can someome please assist?
[09:29] <Alrighta> meuserj|work, thanks. It was the problem
[09:29] <bluefoxicy> does anyone know what ggv is?
[09:29] <meuserj|work> bluefoxicy, I'm not exactly new at this.... been using Linux exclusively for 7-8 years...
[09:30] <bluefoxicy> xpdf doesn't work and evince crashes
[09:30] <srijith> ggv = postscript viewer
[09:30] <pfp> roham_: oh, dear, that 17 version is unsupported afaik, hence the compilcated process
[09:30] <oferet> pfp: suggest
[09:30] <bluefoxicy> xpdf dies because it's missing a library
[09:30] <omp342> ok ill be back in 2 minutes, i'm gonna join the channel with my computer
[09:30] <oferet> pfp: suggestions ?
[09:30] <bluefoxicy> xpdf: error while loading shared libraries: libXp.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[09:30] <pfp> oferet: umm
[09:30] <bluefoxicy> srijith: yes, very estute. And it's not installed in breezy.
[09:30] <bluefoxicy> srijith: and it's not in package 'ggv'
[09:30] <pfp> oferet: there are messages / logs on alt-f3, alt-f4 etc... getting those would help
[09:31] <sorush20> what is good international clock program for linux
[09:31] <srijith> "yes, very estute." was that an attempt at sarcasm?
[09:31] <pfp> roham_: did you try installing it simply with synaptic or apt-get ?
[09:31] <meuserj|work> bluefoxicy, I take it you are running breezy...
[09:31] <meuserj|work> bluefoxicy, cause I hit the libXp missing problem too on my home machine.
[09:32] <bluefoxicy> very estute, did you fix it?
[09:32] <oferet> pfp, I am looking at the messages file.. is there something I should focus on there ?
[09:32] <bluefoxicy> oh god ggv renders like ass.
[09:32] <roham_> apt-get
[09:32] <meuserj|work> meuserj|work, unfortunately no.. the package is missing in breezy currently.. and yes, ggv blows
[09:32] <roham_> pfp: apt-get...
[09:33] <Concord_Dawn> anyone know of a way to put the switchbar in XChat on the top of the window?
[09:33] <oferet> pfp: for example the last line says that Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned and error code (1)
[09:33] <DrPepper> how can I get *-dev packages... Is there a special repository?
[09:33] <pfp> oferet: messages from grub i think, or any arrors
[09:33] <bluefoxicy> meuserj|work: great. Well I'll assume it looks fine and send it to my prospective employer, some security firm I did a pen test with. :/
[09:33] <oferet> ls
[09:33] <sorush20> what is the version after breezy going to be..
[09:33] <Concord_Dawn> DrPepper, no. They're in the repos same as the normal packages.
[09:33] <pfp> oferet: hmm lines before that i think
[09:33] <muffin_> help!!! can't update azureus "(<unknown>:8135): libgnomevfs-WARNING **: Veraltete Funktion. nderungen an der MIME-Datenbank durch den Benutzer werden nicht mehr untersttzt."
[09:33] <bluefoxicy> sorush20: Horny. :)
[09:33] <bluefoxicy> sorush20: Horny Toad :)
[09:33] <pfp> roham_: are you familiar with apt-get
[09:33] <sorush20> what is the financial state of Ubuntu at the moment..
[09:33] <vitriol> badger badger badger....snake!!
[09:33] <Concord_Dawn> Horny Hedgehog HAHAHAHA
[09:33] <sorush20> bluefoxicy: really..
[09:34] <bluefoxicy> sorush20: no, not really; frogs suck.
[09:34] <DrPepper> i should be doing something really stupid since I dont see them
[09:34] <bluefoxicy> I want a Friendly Fox or something
[09:34] <roham_> pfp no not sooo much... but I wrote that u told me
[09:34] <bluefoxicy> Fuzzy!
[09:34] <bluefoxicy> Fuzzy Foxie!
[09:35] <vitriol> hopefully the next version won't be named after a sloth
[09:35] <omp342> why do they have all these weird names? :)
[09:35] <oferet> pfp: what hsould I look for ? (any clues)
[09:35] <srijith> omp342: not to get sued?
[09:35] <srijith> omp342: rerember Mozilla phoenix?
[09:35] <vitriol> yes lindows was already taken
[09:35] <omp342> why do they name it after an animal in the first place ;)
[09:36] <muffin_> help!!! can't update azureus "(<unknown>:8135): libgnomevfs-WARNING **: too old function. Changes by user in the MIME-Database are not supported."
[09:36] <pfp> roham_: in a terminal, you have to add sudo in front of it
[09:36] <sorush20> is Ubuntu making prfits..
[09:36] <pfp> oferet: uh
[09:37] <Ng> sorush20: I don't think they sell anything, so that would be quite hard ;)
[09:37] <srijith> oferet: how big is the log?
[09:37] <oferet> very big
[09:37] <meuserj|work> sorush20, from what I understand Shuttleworth makes enough money on his own that he doesn't care if canonical makes a profit.
[09:37] <sorush20> Ng: they sell Ubuntu support that is a profit..
[09:37] <omp342> it probably loses money
[09:37] <omp342> from all the bandwith
[09:38] <omp342> to download the iso's
[09:38] <omp342> and shipping cd's
[09:38] <omp342> etc.
[09:38] <Ng> sorush20: they certainly offer it, but has anyone bought yet? ;)
[09:38] <oferet> srijith: I just noticed this error: E:Read error - read (5 Input/output error)
[09:38] <Ng> meuserj|work: yeah, istr he said he wouldn't complain if it made money, but wasn't doing it for the cash
[09:38] <srijith> oferet: hmm.. a hard disk problem?
[09:38] <omp342> they do sell clothes and accept donations :P
[09:39] <srijith> oferet: u had any other OS installed on this?
[09:39] <Impulse29> anyone know how I can use my non-standard resolution?
[09:39] <oferet> E: prior errors apply to /cdrom/pool/main/l/linux-srouce-2.6.10/linux-images2.6.10-5-386_2.6.10-34_i386.deb
[09:39] <meuserj|work> sorush20, at his Debconf talk he explained that he makes more money than all the other linux vendor combined.. so he really doesn't care about profit.
[09:39] <roham_> pfp yes
[09:39] <oferet> I have the feeling that the cds might be damaged
[09:39] <oferet> is that right ?
[09:39] <roham_> pfp its installed
[09:39] <roham_> pfp I can see it in synaptic
[09:39] <pfp> roham_: good good
[09:40] <srijith> oferet: either CD or the HDD
[09:40] <agraupe> does the ubuntu i386 kernel have support for the HFS filesystem by default?
[09:40] <pfp> roham_: it should be available in at the login screen
[09:40] <oferet> srijith: I'll reburn the cd then and we'll see how it works.
[09:40] <srijith> oferet: burn at a low speed..
[09:41] <muffin_> help!!! can't update azureus... Error loading plugin 'azupdater' / 'org.gudy.azureus2.update.UpdaterUpdateChecke r;org.gudy.azureus2.update.UpdaterPatcher' : java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: o rg.gudy.azureus2.update.UpdaterPatcher
[09:41] <roham_> pfp I know but it isnt... I cant choose it... its only gnome in sessions
[09:41] <Alrighta> meuserj|work, do you remember me? :) I'm right now under Knoppix and using qtparted, however, when I try to delete my Windows partition, it says that it is mounted... What should I do...?
[09:41] <srijith> muffin_: not much good will come by repeating..
[09:41] <meuserj|work> agraupe, I think so.. there is a hfs.ko module...
[09:42] <muffin_> srijith, i had other experiences in this channel. besides... its a new postr
[09:42] <meuserj|work> Alrighta, you need to unmount it then
[09:42] <Alrighta> meuserj|work, how to do so?
[09:43] <pippin> http://pippin.gimp.org/tmp/apt_get_install_fam.png uhhh
[09:43] <pfp> roham_: ok, then you can choose to start it by doing this in a terminal: echo enlightenment > ~/.xsession ; chmod a+x ~/.xsession
[09:43] <meuserj|work> Alrighta, the "df" command will tell you what devices are mounted, and do "umount /dev/hda1" and replace hda1 with the device name of your windows partion
[09:43] <pfp> roham_: to remove it, remove that ~/.xsession file
[09:44] <Ng> pippin: why are you trying to install fam?
[09:44] <John> Where is the archive modprobe.conf?
[09:44] <pippin> Ng: compiling something,. that needs fam/the fam client library
[09:44] <Alrighta> meuserj|work, lol, it says command not found
[09:45] <Ng> pippin: I'm pretty sure fam is deprecated now, ubuntu uses gamin
[09:45] <meuserj|work> for which command?
[09:45] <celtic> hi
[09:45] <meuserj|work> Alrighta, for which command?
[09:45] <Carpe_Libertatem> How do I set disc quotas for a group or a user?
[09:45] <pippin> Ng: and they cannot coexist?
[09:45] <srijith> Alrighta: sudo umount
[09:45] <Alrighta> meuserj|work, unmount.
[09:45] <celtic> can anyone help me_
[09:45] <meuserj|work> Alrighta, it's "umount" not "unmount"
[09:45] <Ng> pippin: I'm not sure, you could probably install fam by hand, but doing it with apt will cause a conflict and lots of removals
[09:45] <kezz> Carpe_Libertatem, man ulimit (i think)
[09:45] <srijith> not unmount.. "umount"
[09:45] <Carpe_Libertatem> What's the prob cetic?
[09:46] <ivanc_> hi
[09:46] <Ng> pippin: might be worth investigating if whatever you are compiling can use gamin instead too :)
[09:46] <Carpe_Libertatem> kezz - what's the syntax for the amount and user, like... "ulimit man bob 10000" ?
[09:46] <Alrighta> meuserj|work, lol, okay, it worked
[09:46] <roham_> pfp: in usr/share/xsessions?
[09:46] <celtic> just installe ubuntu... how can i see files on NTFS filesystem (windows disk)
[09:46] <pippin> Ng: then it'll be two pieces of bitrotted code to fix until 10.15 CET tomorrow,. some of my own stuff,. and this stuff <g>
[09:46] <ivanc_> I'he downloaded the last iso cd for power pc ( 3 times ) and result corrupt
[09:47] <kezz> Carpe_Libertatem, sorry i don't know the man page or google will though
[09:47] <srijith> celtic, u can only read, not write into nfts..
[09:47] <pfp> roham_: a file called .xsession in your home directory
[09:47] <Ng> pippin: hehe, well grab a fam tarball and see what happens ;)
[09:47] <celtic> where can i find those files
[09:47] <srijith> celtic: you need to mount them..
[09:47] <celtic> hmm...
[09:48] <srijith> celtic: cd /mnt
[09:48] <pippin> Ng: this is not even supposed to be my development machine,. which is why it runs ubuntu
[09:48] <celtic> but can you tell me how_
[09:48] <celtic> or where
[09:48] <srijith> celtic: sudo mkdir nfts
[09:48] <Alrighta> meuserj|work, okay - I cannot resize my linux partition(ext3) but I can resize my "extended" one. should I resize that? it's the same partition and holds the same space
[09:48] <pippin> Ng: well,. what the heck ;]
[09:48] <Alrighta> meuserj|work, okay, delete that - after deleting my windows parition, I cannot do anything
[09:48] <srijith> celtic: mount /dev/hdax /mnt/nfts where hdax is your ntfs partition
[09:49] <celtic> hmm
[09:49] <celtic> where should i insert it...
[09:49] <srijith> celtic: insert what?
[09:49] <celtic> have used slackware... but in ubunto i cant find command line
[09:50] <ivanc_> ctrl+alt+f1
[09:50] <celtic> or whatever it is called
[09:50] <srijith> right click, open terminal?
[09:50] <ivanc_> run -> gnome-terminal
[09:50] <srijith> celtic: just shutdown my Ubuntu laptop.. so can't help with specific instructions
[09:52] <srijith> night all.. off I go
[09:53] <ivanc_> I can't download any "install" iso for power pc while are corrupt ... help me please! any idea...
[09:54] <PhantomFreak> Is there a bash command for displaying a error message in a window in gnome?
[09:54] <Alrighta> Guys, I'm running under Knoppix and using qtparted - I have some free space which I wanna add to my Ubuntu linux partition - however, for some reason, I cannot edit my linux partition and add the free unallocated space which came due to my Windows partition delete... What should I do?
[09:56] <ivanc_> Alrighta: how many primary partition do you have?
[09:56] <Alrighta> ivanc_, none, my primary one was the windows NTFS.
[09:57] <HappyFool> PhantomFreak: maybe gdialog
[09:57] <spola> when i try to burn a cdrom from within nautilus, it gives an error while creating the ISO, saying (of course it's not very clear because it's !(&! "translated" to "dutch") that there is a "wrongly encoded character stream"... whats up with that? can i temporarely put ubuntu in english mode so i can read the full error message?
[09:57] <HappyFool> PhantomFreak: or, as 'gdialog --help' indicates, maybe 'zenity' is what you want
[09:57] <ivanc_> Alrighta: and with fdisk ?
[09:57] <Alrighta> ivanc_, oh, when I click "property" on my free unallocated space(which belonged to windows) it says it is the primary partition
[09:58] <Alrighta> ivanc_, I don't know how to use fdisk. Damn, I am so stupid. I could've use Partition Magic on Windows. Bah!!!
[09:58] <ivanc_> Alrighta: fdisk -l /dev/hda ( only print the partition table )
[09:59] <Alrighta> ivanc_, Cannot open /dev/hda
[09:59] <roham_> !themes
[09:59] <ubotu> I guess themes is at http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/ - http://www.guistyles.com
[09:59] <Bwl> What's will the release after hoary be called?
[09:59] <Alrighta> ivanc_, oh, I wasn't root
[09:59] <dv__> people,
[09:59] <omp342> kde = =/
[09:59] <dv__> ubuntu uses esd
[09:59] <omp342> gnome = =]
[09:59] <ivanc_> Alrighta: ;)
[09:59] <dv__> how can I disable that?
[10:00] <Bwl> dv__: Try system / preferences /audio.
[10:00] <Bwl> dv__: Or Sound, not audio.
[10:00] <dv__> hmm
[10:00] <dv__> yeah, I can disable the start sound server with gnome option
[10:01] <bjv> anyone know how to do a serial link in ubuntu?
[10:01] <Bwl> dv__: esd is the sound server.
[10:01] <dv__> ok
[10:01] <dv__> because esd has problems with gstreamer
[10:01] <dv__> playback stutters
[10:01] <bjv> ive got 'modprobe slip' down, but any help using slattach would be nice.
[10:01] <Alrighta> ivanc_, well, I see my partition table - hda2 is "W95 EXT'd", something like that, its ID is "f". I have hda5 and hda6, but both connected to linux(ext3 and SWAT)..
[10:02] <Bwl> Ahr. Which branch is more bleeding edge than hoary?
[10:02] <dv__> breezy
[10:03] <sebastian_> Any one know some app that can open and edit PS?
[10:03] <Bwl> thanks, trying breezy then. :)
[10:03] <ivanc_> Alrighta: copy the result of the fdisk ... plz ;)
[10:03] <dv__> wait
[10:03] <dv__> breezy is hazardous :)
[10:03] <Alrighta> ivanc_, here?
[10:03] <Bwl> dv__: well my hoary installation is pretty corrupt anyway.
[10:03] <ivanc_> yeah..
[10:03] <dv__> hmm
[10:03] <dv__> k
[10:03] <dv__> :)
[10:04] <Alrighta> ivanc_, btw, why the hell can't I edit my partitions because they are mounted? Can't gparted \ qtparted just run(as PartitionMagic does) when I don't use the partitions(when I reboot)?
[10:04] <dv__> a system issue
[10:05] <dv__> besides, the disk cache might not be flushed yet
[10:06] <dv__> ah, when rebooting. hm
[10:06] <ivanc_> Alrighta: no ... they can work on a runnable system but you must to pay a little attention...;)
[10:06] <Alrighta> ivanc_, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1370
[10:07] <liran> i just checked out gkrellm. its nice, but i was talking about something else
[10:07] <liran> those transparent modules that you see on suse mostly
[10:07] <Bwl> dv__: Did you get gstreamer working?
[10:07] <Alrighta> liran, ma kore?
[10:07] <dv__> yes
[10:07] <dv__> you have to turn off esd
[10:08] <dv__> and switch in gconf from esdsink to alsasink
[10:08] <liran> Alrighta, hakol tov
[10:08] <Bwl> Are you using breezy?
[10:08] <dv__> no
[10:08] <Alrighta> liran, tov lishmoa.
[10:08] <liran> Alrighta, ken ah... :)
[10:08] <Alrighta> liran, betah, im col ha memshala hamizdayenet
[10:09] <Bwl> dv__: I believe you can switch from esdsink to alsasink by using System / Preferences / Multimedia System Selector too.
[10:09] <liran> Alrighta, ken ahi
[10:09] <liran> Alrighta, ma laasot
[10:09] <ivanc_> Alrighta: you have a primary partition that is extended
[10:09] <ivanc_> Alrighta: and this contain the swap and the linux partition
[10:09] <dv__> yes
[10:09] <Alrighta> liran, laarog aravim
[10:09] <liran> Alrighta, im trying to find the name of that tool that's basically like gkrellm but the modules are transparent and i believe they're also seperated
[10:10] <Bwl> liran: gdesklet?
[10:10] <Alrighta> ivanc_,, so how do I resize?
[10:10] <twibbler> has anybody any exeprience of installing the GD perl module ...
[10:10] <liran> i dont remember whats it called. ill check it right now bwl, thanks.
[10:10] <ivanc_> Alrighta: how much free space do u have?
[10:10] <ivanc_> df -h ( is the command )
[10:10] <Alrighta> ivanc_, according to qtparted 16.67gb.
[10:10] <Inkeh> Alrighta, i've only installed the GB module under PHP, i don't do Perl
[10:10] <Misos> How do I restrict users to their home directories?
[10:11] <Bwl> Misos: How do your users access the server/computer?
[10:11] <Misos> They're all going to be accessing via SSH.
[10:12] <twibbler> to restrict users have you checked the settings in vipw
[10:12] <liran> thanks bwl, thats the one :)
[10:13] <Misos> I want to set a group, and users of this group can only access their /home/user file
[10:13] <ivanc_> Misos: chown -R 770
[10:13] <liran> bwl: man some screenshots are REALLY nice there :)
[10:13] <Concord_Dawn> Anyone know how to get a JSP container for Apache2?
[10:13] <Misos> woul dit be chown -r group 770?
[10:13] <Misos> er
[10:14] <Misos> chown -r 770 group
[10:14] <Alrighta> ivanc_...?
[10:14] <Ng> err
[10:14] <Ng> he means chmod
[10:14] <ivanc_> Alrighta: mmm curios ... here work fine...
[10:14] <Bwl> Misos: I'm afraid I don't know. Either you try setting up restrictive modes on all directories or you try some chroot solution. Try googling for ssh and chroot, seems to be some solutions out there.
[10:14] <Alrighta> ivanc_, what works fine?
[10:14] <ivanc_> Alrighta: qtparted
[10:15] <Bwl> liran: Yea, was a while since I tried gdesklet out. Guess they've solved all the memory usage problems there were before.
[10:15] <Alrighta> ivanc_, perhaps, my linux partition is also mounted?
[10:15] <tenco_> vitriol: still problems, this time with ndiswrapper
[10:15] <kevin_> anyone I can talk to about why I get this msg when I try and apt-get install streamtuner?
[10:15] <kevin_> Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
[10:15] <kevin_> the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
[10:15] <kevin_> that package should be filed.
[10:15] <kevin_> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
[10:15] <kevin_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:15] <kevin_> streamtuner: Depends: libtagc0 (>= 1.3.1) but it is not installable
[10:15] <kevin_> E: Broken packages
[10:15] <kevin_> root@Terminator:~ #
[10:15] <twibbler> Misos man vipw then using this will restrict the user ...
[10:15] <Bwl> kevin_: I guess Terminator has failed to stop skynet again ...
[10:16] <Concord_Dawn> Anyone know how to get a JSP container for Apache2?
[10:16] <ivanc_> Alrighta: is dangerous but u can ...
[10:16] <Ng> kevin_: have you done an apt-get update first? a matching version of libtagc0 is in universe
[10:16] <kevin_> lol your funny :P
[10:16] <kevin_> yes I have maany times
[10:16] <Ng> and you have universe enabled?
[10:17] <ivanc_> Alrighta: can u probe with parted is without gui but u can say the right block ...
[10:17] <Alrighta> ivanc_, unmounted my linux, didn't help.
[10:17] <kevin_> prolly how do I find out?
[10:17] <Alrighta> ivanc_, what?
[10:17] <ivanc_> Alrighta: parted is another program for partitioning
[10:17] <Ng> kevin_: in /etc/apt/sources.list or in synaptic's repositories menu entry
[10:17] <Bwl> kevin_: check /etc/apt/sources.list after a universe line.
[10:17] <Ng> kevin_: you ought to though, because streamtuner is in universe
[10:18] <tenco_> my ndiswrapper disconnects everytime a short time after bootup, but when i do rmmod ndiswrapper and modprobe ndiswrapper and ifup wlan0, the connection lasts forever
[10:18] <kevin_> k. hangon
[10:18] <Alrighta> ivanc_, does it exist in Knoppix?
[10:18] <twibbler> tenco do an ndiswrapper -m to make it permanent
[10:18] <tenco_> twibbler: i did
[10:19] <erb> hi
[10:19] <twibbler> I had the same problem .... but fixed it ...
[10:19] <ivanc_> Alrighta: I don't no... :|
[10:19] <tenco_> twibbler: ubuntu is booting up, setting up the card, but a short time after that the card loses the connection
[10:19] <Concord_Dawn> Does anyone know how to get a JSP container for Apache2?
[10:19] <twibbler> the only way was to uninstall ndiswrapper through synaptic and setit up from scratch ..
[10:19] <tenco_> twibbler: and wenn i unload and reload ndiswrapper again and do an ifup wlan0 the connection stays forever
[10:19] <Bwl> tenco_: A long shot, but maybe moving the ndiswrapper last in /etc/modules will help.
[10:20] <twibbler> what card ....
[10:20] <tenco_> twibbler: dlink dwl-g520
[10:20] <ivanc_> Concord_Dawn: tomcat?
[10:20] <kevin_> # deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[10:20] <kevin_> # deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[10:20] <kevin_> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse r$deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse r$deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse r$
[10:20] <Concord_Dawn> at least I got an answer.
[10:20] <tenco_> twibbler: doesnt work with madwifi
[10:20] <Bwl> kevin_: Please don't flood.
[10:20] <twibbler> brb
[10:20] <tenco_> Bwl: thanks, will try that
[10:20] <asdrubalex> Osama Bin Laden hidden place ROTFLOL http://systemsecure.org/ssforum/viewtopic.php?t=103
[10:20] <erb> anybody pls send an xorg.conf or just paste it (eg. to rafb.net/paste)
[10:20] <Alrighta> ivanc_, with kpackage I can download parted-bf
[10:21] <Bwl> tenco_: It probably won't work, but worth a shot. ;)
[10:21] <Ng> kevin_: I think you are missing some repositories, but that paste is hard to read. paste the whole file into pastebin.com or something
[10:21] <kevin_> ok fine if you call that flooding I won't
[10:21] <Alrighta> ivanc_, It is already installed on my system
[10:21] <Ng> kevin_: pasting that much text in a busy channel like this makes conversation pretty hard to follow :/
[10:22] <kevin_> where can get all the repositories?
[10:22] <tenco_> Bwl: its sad, bcause i thought the card would work with madwifi and was reported to work. but seems like dlink changed the chipset :\
[10:22] <vitriol> is there an ubuntu amd64 channel?
[10:22] <twibbler> tenco I think I remembered ..... is it pcmcia or PC ...
[10:22] <tenco_> twibbler: pci
[10:23] <mjr> vitriol, it was decided that this channel is big enough for amd64
[10:23] <Bwl> tenco_: Doesn't suprise me. Ordered my D-link DI-624 router because I'd read it had an Atheros chipset (to go with my laptop with the same chip). Turns out some revisions use Ti.
[10:23] <tenco_> twibbler: a new one, but not supported by madwifi (HAL reports error 13)
[10:23] <vitriol> mjr: ahh ok
[10:23] <Ng> kevin_: http://www.pointlessrubbish.net/sources.list
[10:23] <kevin_> thank you :)
[10:23] <Bwl> tenco_: Have you tried compiling madwifi from CVS?
[10:23] <Ng> kevin_: although you might want to remove "gb." where it occurs, if you're not in the uk
[10:23] <ivanc_> Alrighta: good luck
[10:23] <tenco_> Bwl: no. how old is the ubuntu package?
[10:24] <twibbler> ok me thinks it maybe a poweroff issue with the boot settings ..
[10:24] <deadhorse> Bwl, Atheros?
[10:24] <Alrighta> ivanc_, how do I load it? I don't find it in the menu :/
[10:24] <tenco_> twibbler: *looks interested*
[10:24] <deadhorse> Bwl, what's that?
[10:24] <Bwl> tenco_: Hm, don't know. It doesn't work for me now at least. Tho, I don't know if it's because of madwifi. But if it've never worked, it's really worth trying.
[10:24] <twibbler> If when you boot it is working then stops and you can reinitialise it is powering off ..
[10:24] <phayded> quick question, where are the logs for www?
[10:25] <muffin_> hi
[10:25] <Ng> should be /var/log/apache/
[10:25] <ivanc_> Alrighta: terminal
[10:25] <tenco_> twibbler: how do i power it off?
[10:25] <phayded> thnx
[10:25] <muffin_> how do i install cedega_4.4-1.i386.tgz??
[10:25] <Alrighta> ivanc_, okay, I'm in "parted", in a text mode
[10:25] <Bwl> deadhorse: Atheros is a company, was referring to it's wifi chipsets tho.
[10:25] <Alrighta> ivanc_, can you help me using it?
[10:25] <Ng> muffin_: are you a transgaming subscriber?
[10:25] <twibbler> You have to cnfigure I think in Bios to not poweroff ...
[10:25] <deadhorse> Bwl, is it good?
[10:25] <Ng> muffin_: they have .deb files for subscribers, you can install that with "sudo dpkg -i cedega-blahblah,deb"
[10:25] <tenco_> twibbler: will try.
[10:26] <twibbler> ok im around for a while ...
[10:26] <Ice9> !ati
[10:26] <tenco_> twibbler: ok
[10:26] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[10:26] <Bwl> deadhorse: Since I've only used Atheros I can't really tell. But I'd go with something that works with an vanilla kernel.
[10:26] <muffin_> Ng, so i first need the .deb file? Is it posible to install it in another way?
[10:27] <deadhorse> Bwl, so?
[10:27] <Ng> muffin_: sure, extract the tarball (tar -xvzf cedega-blahblah.tgz), go into the directory it creates and there should be an install document
[10:27] <muffin_> Ng, thx
[10:28] <kevin_> thank-you all very very much
[10:28] <Bwl> deadhorse: Atheros doesn't release their drivers for Linux. You need to use a separate package called Madwifi to get it working (linux-restricted-modules-ARCH contains it tho in ubuntu).
[10:28] <deadhorse> hmm, good
[10:29] <ivanc_> Alrighta: parted from command line with root permission
[10:29] <Bwl> deadhorse: so?
[10:29] <liran> uhmmm, im interested to know how to read that gdesklets binary clock
[10:29] <Alrighta> ivanc_, yes
[10:29] <Alrighta> ivanc_, I did that.
[10:29] <meuserj|work> liran, 1 2 4 8.. add the ones that are lit
[10:29] <Bwl> liran: heh, how does it look?
[10:29] <phayded> anyone here have a LAMP server and use phpWebSite? anyone?
[10:30] <BeerGeek> Afternoon all. Have a printer problem that I could use some help with if anyone's got the time.
[10:30] <deadhorse> Bwl, so... it's fine
[10:30] <Bwl> deadhorse: bot.
[10:30] <deadhorse> Bwl, me?
[10:30] <Ng> BeerGeek: ask your question, if someone knows the answer they'll pipe up :)
[10:30] <Bwl> deadhorse: no, the dead horse.
[10:30] <deadhorse> Bwl, I doubt it
[10:30] <ivanc_> Alrighta: you see all command with help
[10:31] <phayded> anyone use phpWebSite template for their server? please help
[10:31] <ivanc_> Alrighta: and is better if you read man parted before starting ;)
[10:31] <BeerGeek> Brill. I've just installed Ubuntu & am trying to connect to our household printer on a (gaah!) XP box. Keep getting NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED errors... :(
[10:32] <Alrighta> ivanc_, do you know nparted? I've also tried to use that, but it says I cannot edit my partitions because they are only in read only state :/
[10:32] <BeerGeek> Any suggestions?
[10:32] <Bwl> BeerGeek: Have you setup an account on the XP box or have you set it to allow guests?
[10:32] <twibbler> May I ask the ? about perl GD package .. failing to load through cpan with an error looking for libgd does anybody have any ideas ..
[10:33] <liran> wait, he quit and i didnt understand him heh
[10:33] <liran> bwl: its a 6x4 matrix
[10:33] <BeerGeek> I used one of the active regular user accounts and it still toggles out every 60 seconds, no printing.
[10:33] <BeerGeek> Guest has been disabled.
[10:33] <lothos> i have just got gkrellm installed on my laptop running ubuntu and would like some help on how to install themes for it can anyone help?
[10:33] <Bwl> BeerGeek: And are you using DOMAIN\username format with the correct password?
[10:34] <Alrighta> ivanc_, If I go back to ubuntu, open gparted, click on "Unmount" and then try to resize, will it help me?
[10:34] <ivanc_> Alrighta: runlevel 1 from the first console ALT+CTRL+F1
[10:34] <BeerGeek> Erm... hang on, I'll check...
[10:35] <Bwl> twibbler: Try libgd-gd2-perlI think.
[10:35] <hcooper> anyone have an idea why yesterday's breezy update now makes my wlan (rt2500) crash the machine randomly?
[10:35] <Alrighta> At this progress, installing windows again and downloading ParitionMagic will be a lot faster.
[10:35] <twibbler> thank you ...
[10:35] <Alrighta> ivanc_, what does it do? and please refer to my question about ubuntu..
[10:35] <Alrighta> damn.
[10:35] <liran> how do i run lmsensors?
[10:35] <Bwl> Alrighta: Partition Magic is evil.
[10:36] <Alrighta> Bwl, I'd better use it than remain in this state of mine.
[10:36] <Bwl> Alrighta: You're free to do whatever. All I know is that I've had problems with it.
[10:36] <no_dammagE> aah, a small question: I did a clean install of kubuntu ... but it fails to start X11 - startx script tells me that /usr/bin/X11R6/X doesn't exist. What went wrong?
[10:37] <Alrighta> Bwl, can you help me then?
[10:37] <lothos> I use Partition Magic only in extreme cases where I have no alternitive
[10:37] <ksyms> hello, I've ubuntu hoary installed, my sound works well but I have noted I have no /dev/dsp, some applications use it, how do I install/create it?
[10:37] <lothos> knoppix has a nice partioner
[10:37] <no_dammagE> ksyms: install alsa
[10:37] <Alrighta> lothos, which is? I'm under Knoppix right now..
[10:37] <ksyms> no_dammagE, it is installed, I can play xmms with alsa...
[10:38] <lothos> give me a sec
[10:38] <ksyms> no_dammagE, and hoary comes with alsa default, isn't?
[10:38] <lothos> anyone know anything about gkrellm
[10:38] <darkheart> ksyms Where is your sound device listed in /dev?
[10:38] <no_dammagE> ksyms: you might want to call alsaconf (it there is none, install alsa-tools)
[10:38] <omp342> gkrellm is ugly =/
[10:39] <Alrighta> lothos...?
[10:39] <ksyms> alsa is installed, just checked.
[10:39] <lothos> Alrighta i am loading knoppix now give me a sec ok
[10:39] <Alrighta> sorry :/
[10:40] <lothos> omp what do you use then
[10:40] <BeerGeek> Yep. No joy, tho -- and entering workgroup\user in the appropriate box in GNOME's printer control applet doesn't seem to keep. Type it in, close, check properties again and the username/pw boxes are blank... odd, that.
[10:40] <omp342> nothing =/
[10:40] <liran> omp342, what do you use?
[10:40] <omp342> i dont have ubuntu installed yet =/
[10:40] <ksyms> no_dammagE, there is no such package, maybe i should install alsa-oss?
[10:40] <omp342> i have fedora
[10:40] <darkheart> ksyms Where is your sound device listed in /dev?
[10:40] <liran> ahh
[10:40] <ksyms> darkheart, i don't know
[10:40] <omp342> i dont have any cd-r's to get ubuntu installed
[10:41] <omp342> i downloaded the iso but i cant burn it
[10:41] <omp342> =/
[10:41] <lothos> seems to be working fine on my 900 MHz lappy
[10:41] <ksyms> darkheart, /dev/snd probably
[10:41] <liran> i just installed gdesklets but some desktop modules arent runing, i think im missing some critical apps
[10:41] <ksyms> darkheart, /dev/snd
[10:41] <darkheart> ksyms Well, when you find out, you could try making a symlink from /dev/dsp to /dev/sound or whatever and see if that works.
[10:41] <BeerGeek> crud, gotta go. BBRS
[10:41] <no_dammagE> ksyms: hmm, in debian there was alsa-tools (or similar) which contained alsaconf. Alsaconf checks your hardware and creates devices based on the inspection.
[10:41] <muffin_> whats better for gaming, carega or wine??
[10:42] <darkheart> muffin_ cedega
[10:42] <Bwl> BeerGeek: Was a while since I tried to use a printer on a windows shared environment. But I had the same problem. All I remember is that it's important to use the correct format of username and password. A tip is to use the smbclient in a shell to play around with it.
[10:42] <darkheart> muffin_ I got q2 running finally.
[10:42] <eri> ... >> ... is there a channel for people new to linux? >> ... I don't want to ask stupid questions here...
[10:42] <ksyms> but /dev/dsp is oss thing, maybe installing alsa-oss will work
[10:42] <omp342> cedega is better, but its not free
[10:42] <no_dammagE> ksyms: do apt-cache search alsa | grep ^alsa and check what might contain configuration tools. Alsa-oss is an oss wrapper for old hardware ...
[10:42] <no_dammagE> ksyms: try to install alsa-oss, too
[10:42] <sandino> hello all
[10:42] <no_dammagE> sandino: hello
[10:43] <bimberi> no_dammagE: FYI my startx has the line "defaultserver=/usr/X11R6/bin/X" in it
[10:43] <lothos> Alrighta I used QTparted under knoppix to split up my ntfs drive so I could install linux
[10:43] <muffin_> darkheart, technically its running in linux, but i first need the game files... (torrent still loading ^^)
[10:43] <vader1102> have a question....I have a Dell Latitude CPi p2 366 and for some reason when I restart my laptop it mutes the sound....is there a fix for this?
[10:43] <no_dammagE> bimberi: thanks for the tip, ill check the script now
[10:43] <darkheart> muffin_ So you got it working? Or are you using Cedega?
[10:43] <sandino> hey anyone here use wireless on ubuntu.. i kow its a very spread out question.. but i cant seem to do it. i get wireless with slackware and freebsd . but no go here
[10:43] <bimberi> no_dammagE: np :)
[10:44] <muffin_> darkheart, no natvie linux. the app starts and says that graphical files are missing
[10:44] <Alrighta> lothos, well, QTparted doesn't seem to be working for me. I have some free unallocated space(which came from deleting windows) and I can't resize my Ubuntu linux partition and add the free space
[10:44] <muffin_> darkheart, same error as in the windows version without the files ^^
[10:44] <darkheart> muffin_ Really? Graphical? Was it that same error you posted last night?
[10:44] <no_dammagE> bimberi: ah, can't do now, i removed xorg-common to apt-get install kde ^^
[10:44] <vader1102> sandino, I use the madwifi with the dwl-g650 wireless adapter
[10:45] <lothos> Im not sure it worked for me reszied my ntfs side and did no damage
[10:45] <darkheart> muffin_ Cause in that thread I sent you to, there was a tarball that one guy made. It was missing sound files, I put that in my /usr/lib/games/quake2 folder and it worked.
[10:45] <lothos> sorry
[10:45] <ksyms> no_dammagE, alsa-utils, but there is not such alsaconf
[10:45] <muffin_> darkheart, the debian sound drivers worked for me too. I still need to "killall esd"
[10:45] <Alrighta> lothos, do you have any 'tips'..?
[10:45] <muffin_> darkheart, my current error is: "Error: Couldn't load pics/colormap.pcx"
[10:45] <sandino> well apperently i have ndiswrapper here.. but im new to debian style stuff. how do i load the windows inf so ndiswrapper works. ive tried dloading and using the source.. but it gives me errors.
[10:45] <darkheart> muffin_ Ah okay..So you progressed from the previous error. =P
[10:46] <vader1102> sandino, I honestly have no idea...sorry
[10:46] <muffin_> darkheart, yeah ;) but where did you get the colormap.pcx from ??
[10:46] <Mystery47_Newbie> help! -Why i dont see nvidia-gfx-gonfic -file or i cant put it enable?
[10:47] <ksyms> no_dammagE, definitely my alsa is fucked up.
[10:47] <muffin_> darkheart, theres nothing on the idsoft ftp...
[10:47] <no_dammagE> ksyms: im apt-cache searching for all available packs, stay tuned
[10:47] <darkheart> muffin_ I didn't actually have that error...What I did though (I don't know if it was necessary or not), but I ran a command that was at the end of the thread.
[10:47] <ksyms> no_dammagE, i think i need to re-install re-configure it
[10:47] <darkheart> muffin_ I think it was dpkg-reconfigure quake2-data
[10:47] <Mystery47_Newbie> help! -Why i dont see nvidia-gfx-gonfic -file or i cant put it enable?
[10:48] <ksyms> no_dammagE, root@babaji:/dev/snd # alsaplayer Failed to load output plugin "alsa". Trying defaults.Failed to initialize plugin!
[10:48] <bimberi> no_dammagE: that seems unusual (although i don't know the dependencies). BTW I've actually installed the kubuntu-desktop metapackage which doesn't install the "kde" package itself - but but lots of kde related libs
[10:48] <muffin_> darkheart, hm... i didnt do that. in which folder did you do this?
[10:48] <darkheart> muffin_ Asked me if I wanted to install the data from CD, shareware or something else...Anyway, it will download the data for you I think.
[10:49] <darkheart> muffin_ I didn't really know what it wanted so I just left it at /root. I ended up with the q2-ctf-blah-blah.exe there..not sure what to do w/ that. But the game works (didn't play it, just tested it).
[10:49] <mark_> Howdy
[10:49] <muffin_> darkheart, wow
[10:50] <evanzo> anyone know of a fix for a problem in gnome with the power meter not updating when cable is plugged/unplugged
[10:50] <muffin_> darkheart, loading the missing data, thx ^^
[10:50] <Mystery47_Newbie> I want to play enemy territory, but i cant do this: Type sudo nvidia-glx-config enable at a terminal to enable it.
[10:50] <darkheart> muffin_ =) Cool, hope that solves your problem.
[10:51] <sandino> where can i get kernel src..>/
[10:51] <no_dammagE> ksyms: too bad i currently have no browser to check what packs you might need. Currently I have only two things - alsa-oss and alsa-utils...
[10:51] <vader1102> any ideas on why my sound auto mutes upon boot?
[10:51] <mark_> I need to copy my updated Ubuntu to another h/d.... What's the best way to do this?
[10:51] <no_dammagE> bimberi: well, too late, I can't stop the process. It seems that the installer didn't install everything
[10:51] <darkheart> vader1102 Using gnome?
[10:51] <vader1102> yes
[10:52] <ksyms> no_dammagE, but as you said, alsa-oss is just a wrapper, I don't think it will help.
[10:52] <impusle29> why can't I see an ntfs hard drive in ubuntu live?
[10:52] <no_dammagE> ksyms: unfortunately I don't have an idea. Hey, ppl, help ksyms
[10:52] <ksyms> no_dammagE, thanks.
[10:52] <darkheart> vader1102 You can try setting the sound level where you want, then logging out of gnome and saving your session. Might boot up w/ the sound at that setting.
[10:52] <impusle29> why can't I see an ntfs hard drive in ubuntu live?
[10:52] <hmlc> have ppl had probs with the last upgrade of breezy killing there WiFi?
[10:52] <ksyms> I have no /dev/dsp and I think my alsa isn't working...
[10:52] <vader1102> darkheart, tried and same result it auto mutes
[10:53] <ksyms> dspless
[10:53] <no_dammagE> ksyms: the problem is that I don't remember if oss lives in the userland or in the kernelland. If it is kernelland, than I'm wondering why you have no OSS compiled in ...
[10:53] <darkheart> vader1102 Hmm..I dunno...maybe try alsamixer?
[10:53] <andrew__> hey all, what package provides qmake?
[10:53] <vader1102> ok
[10:53] <tenco_> Bwl, twibbler: very strange. i am doing now a upgrade over the wlan-link without issues. but ndiswrapper seems to need a certain amount of time to initialize.
[10:53] <ksyms> no_dammagE, it's a kernel module for sure
[10:53] <Seveas> qmake?
[10:53] <ksyms> no_dammagE, but I haven't touched kernel and everything was working well.
[10:53] <darkheart> impusle29 Well, I believe that live CD loads everything from CD including the filesystem you use...So there is no reference to a hdd.
[10:54] <vader1102> that is what is what it is set to
[10:54] <no_dammagE> ksyms: than you might want to check make menuconfig in /usr/src/linux (install kernel-sources)
[10:54] <ksyms> no_dammagE, I mean, everyone in hoary has a /dev/dsp?
[10:54] <tche> Hello! I have a problem, I can't set us the international us keyboard
[10:54] <Seveas> ksyms, everyone with a soundcard should have one
[10:54] <no_dammagE> ksyms: funny thing, I have /dev/dsp in that half-broken installation, but cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp doesn't bring up any sound ...
[10:54] <tche> And my touch pad doesn't work correctly...
[10:54] <ksyms> no_dammagE, I've already compiled it since I got this machine (4 weeks) ago
[10:55] <ksyms> Seveas, my sound card is working and I don't have one
[10:55] <Seveas> hmm
[10:55] <Seveas> odd
[10:55] <selinium> hi all, any bluetooth users out there?
[10:55] <bimberi> andrew__: qt3-dev-tools
[10:55] <no_dammagE> ksyms: modern applications use alsa while older (Quake3) use OSS ...
[10:55] <darkheart> vader1102 Do you load the server on startup?
[10:56] <twibbler> selinum yes ..
[10:56] <vader1102> I think so, how do I check?
[10:56] <ksyms> no_dammagE, that's what I figured out, applications that need oss (/dev/dsp) is not working...
[10:56] <sandino> can someone tell me how to add root instead of using sudo. please
[10:56] <no_dammagE> sandino: use sudo passwd
[10:56] <Seveas> sandino, sudo passwd root
[10:56] <darkheart> vader1102 In System->Preferences->Sound
[10:57] <vader1102> k
[10:57] <darkheart> vader1102 Dunno if that will resolve the issue though.
[10:57] <Ice9> how is a hardware master in here?
[10:57] <Ice9> I mean
[10:57] <Ice9> is there a hardware master in here?
[10:57] <vader1102> it is set to load on boot
[10:57] <twibbler> bwl thank you for your help .. fixed it all ....
[10:58] <no_dammagE> ksyms: i mean to remember that e.g. OSS apps as Q3 require now echo direct and disable, IIRC. But that still doesn't bring you around the problem of missing /dev/Dsp ...
[10:58] <selinium> twibbler: I am having trouble getting it all working. I have used the bluetooth manager and it has detected my phone/headset and everything. But i cant get the to connect.
[10:58] <twibbler> libgd-perl ......
[10:58] <selinium> twibbler: any ideas?
[10:58] <sandino> no_dammagE Seveas ok what am i doing wrng .. i get 'sorry'
[10:58] <no_dammagE> sandino: sudo passwd
[10:58] <Seveas> sandino, do sudo -i
[10:58] <no_dammagE> sandino: enter Password: your password
[10:58] <Seveas> and then passwd
[10:58] <twibbler> I have exactly the sme problem ...... setting up bluetooth is easy ... and I can just talk to he phone ...
[10:59] <no_dammagE> sandino: enter new UNIX password
[10:59] <ksyms> no_dammagE, root@babaji:~ # cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
[10:59] <ksyms> cat: write error: No space left on device
[10:59] <sandino> no_dammagE i did and it says sorry
[10:59] <Seveas> ksyms, you just filled your disk :)
[10:59] <twibbler> Think it is the actual driver ... what phone ..
[10:59] <ksyms> Seveas, I have never created a /dev partition
[10:59] <no_dammagE> Seveas: ;) lol? it shouldn't do that so fast
[11:00] <darkheart> vader1102 Sorry, not sure then =\ I will keep looking, but kinda busy now as well.
[11:00] <Seveas> /dev is mounted in memory
[11:00] <no_dammagE> apt-get is fucking up my irssi, damn, can't read a thing
[11:00] <vader1102> k ty
[11:00] <sandino> no_dammagE my fault man.. im an idiot
[11:00] <Seveas> you clogged your memory :
[11:00] <Seveas> :)
[11:00] <Ice9> whats that good computer help channel?
[11:00] <gsuveg> re
[11:00] <ksyms> no_dammagE, here it go: root@babaji:~ # modprobe snd_pcm_oss
[11:00] <ksyms> root@babaji:~ # ls -al /dev/dsp
[11:00] <ksyms> crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 Aug 18 18:00 /dev/dsp
[11:00] <no_dammagE> sandino: no problem, shit happens
[11:00] <gsuveg> anybody can help me to compile latest icewm to ubuntu ?
[11:00] <Seveas> gsuveg, icewm is in the repositories...
[11:01] <gsuveg> yes. but not the fresh
[11:01] <ksyms> no_dammagE, now, why the fuck this module isn't working. hell
[11:01] <ksyms> no_dammagE, but yay, it's working :D
[11:01] <gsuveg> Seveas: or ?
[11:01] <andrew__> g++ -o settings -L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/share/qt3/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lqt -lXext -lX11 -lm
[11:01] <andrew__> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lqt
[11:01] <andrew__> any ideas with this one guys?
[11:01] <no_dammagE> ksyms: HUH?
[11:01] <Seveas> andrew__, install the qt libs
[11:02] <no_dammagE> ksyms: do you mean that now it is working? if yes, then the only thing was a missing kmodule ...
[11:02] <ksyms> no_dammagE, I loaded snd_pcm_oss and it's working.
[11:03] <no_dammagE> ksyms: gratz, I was also fighting with similar shit today (LILO install via chroot). Well, after 3 hours it worked. I just had to think about that damn dev mode :/
[11:04] <no_dammagE> a small question: what was the name of that kde meta-package?
[11:04] <bimberi> no_dammagE: kubuntu-desktop ?
[11:04] <ksyms> no_dammagE, werd, thanks
[11:04] <zerboxx> When installing something with synaptic, it automatically does ./configure, right? (this is a question with a followup question)
[11:04] <darkheart> vader1102 I bet Seveas knows =)
[11:04] <no_dammagE> ksyms: you did the job, not me, no need to thank ^^
[11:04] <no_dammagE> bimberi: thanks
[11:04] <vader1102> I will ask him when he isn't so busy
[11:05] <vader1102> ;-)
[11:05] <no_dammagE> zerboxx: with debian packages no ./configure is required because you install everything in binary mode and dpkg manages all dependencies for you
[11:05] <Seveas> vader1102, I'm alwasys busy :)
[11:05] <Seveas> so ask away
[11:05] <c0rrupt_> o.0
[11:06] <andrew__> make[1] : *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib/qt-3.3/mkspecs/default/qmake.conf', needed by `Makefile'. Stop.
[11:06] <andrew__> Seveas, how bout that one? Why do people need to be difficult and use qt!!
[11:06] <Seveas> andrew__, what are you compiling?
[11:06] <vader1102> lol, why is it I use gnome desktop and my sound is auto muted upon boot, help....please;-0
[11:06] <skalpel> can someone tell me how to set the defaulct chmod for my directories?
[11:06] <andrew__> Seveas, its mythtv stuff
[11:06] <Seveas> apt-get build-dep mythtv
[11:06] <no_dammagE> andrew__: you need the dev packs for qt3 (or tools pack?) which contains qmake
[11:06] <Seveas> skalpel, set a umask
[11:07] <hussam> andrew__: try to export QTDIR=/usr/share/qt3 and recompile
[11:07] <skalpel> seveas: do i have to set a umask for every dir seperately or can i do it recursively?
[11:07] <hussam> andrew__: what are you trying to compile?
[11:07] <Seveas> skalpel, oh you want to change permissions for existing folders?
[11:07] <WhyvasMct> so... is ubuntu better than fedora core 4?
[11:07] <Seveas> WhyvasMct, lots better...
[11:07] <andrew__> hussam, its stuff for my mythtv box
[11:08] <Seveas> (but you can expect people in here to say that of course :))
[11:08] <ubuntu_> why can't I see fat32 or ntfs drives in ubuntu live??
[11:08] <hussam> andrew__: not ubuntu?
[11:08] <skalpel> seveas: yes, i want all dirs in the /home folder to be rwx by default, so that when a download comes in i can move it wherever i want without changing its permissions
[11:08] <Seveas> ubuntu_, you need to mount them
[11:08] <ubuntu_> how do I do that?
[11:08] <no_dammagE> ubuntu_: you need to mount them
[11:08] <lvraab> wow, there's almost twice as many users in here than in #fedora
[11:08] <andrew__> hussam, mythtv is running on ubuntu - mythtv is a program
[11:08] <andrew__> hussam, www.abarbaccia.com
[11:08] <ubuntu_> wow, there's an echo
[11:08] <Seveas> skalpel, chmod -R changes recursively
[11:08] <firebird619> Can anyone help me with a modem issue. I downloaded the drivers for PCTel modems that support my kernel (2.6.10-5-386) and installed them. According to lsmod, all of the modules for the modem the the README file says should be there are there, however, I cannot connect to the Internet with my modem. Could someone please help me?
[11:08] <Seveas> ubuntu_: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[11:09] <teressa> yo Seveas...
[11:09] <Seveas> teressa, hi!
[11:09] <teressa> I got adobe workin, you were right
[11:09] <ubuntu_> thanks babe
[11:09] <hussam> andrew__: then try export QTDIR=/usr/share/qt3 and recompile
[11:09] <Seveas> teressa, nice!
[11:09] <skalpel> seveas: for some reason when i use chmod the permissions do not stick. if a user logs in and uploads files i have to change permissions on the new folder/files again, do you know why?
[11:09] <Seveas> skalpel, yes
[11:09] <teressa> It downloaded the good one over the new one with a differnent name
[11:09] <teressa> Thanks! :)
[11:09] <vader1102> bbl
[11:09] <andrew__> hussam, no dice
[11:10] <Seveas> skalpel, that's what the umask is for: the command 'umask 022' makes sure all files/folders you create will be rwxrwxrx
[11:10] <no_dammagE> firebird619: whats the error message when you fail to connect?
[11:10] <sandino> apperently i have ndiswrapper here.. how do ill .? locate it and insta
[11:10] <skalpel> seveas: ok, and does it work for all users?
[11:10] <Seveas> skalpel, per user
[11:10] <Seveas> put it in ~/.gnomerc and ~/.bashrc
[11:11] <skalpel> seveas: so if i want it tow ork for all users i will have to login and set them seperately?
[11:11] <Seveas> sandino, ndiswrapper kernel modules are installed by default, the utilities are in the ndiswrapper-utils package
[11:11] <Seveas> skalpel, you might have luck by putting it in /etc/bash_profile
[11:11] <firebird619> no_dammagE: I connect using System ==> Administration ==> Networking. When I tried wvdial it says No such file or directory
[11:11] <Seveas> but that will not work if users don't use bash
[11:11] <darkheart> Seveas I thought 'umask 022' would make files rwxr-xr-x?
[11:11] <hussam> andrew__: do you have libqt3-mt-dev and qt3-dev-tools installed?
[11:11] <Seveas> darkheart, I stand corrected
[11:12] <skalpel> it should be umask 000 right?
[11:12] <Seveas> skalpel, idea: put it in the xsession stuff :)
[11:12] <skalpel> seveas: what should the bash_profile look like?
[11:12] <WhyvasMct> should i get the 5.4 or 5.10 ?
[11:12] <Seveas> 000 makes everything rwxrwxrwx
[11:12] <skalpel> seveas: what xsession stuff?
[11:12] <Seveas> WhyvasMct, 5.04
[11:12] <teressa> be bold!
[11:12] <darkheart> Seveas Wasn't trying to be right, just making sure =)
[11:12] <andrew__> hussam, yes to both
[11:12] <no_dammagE> firebird619: the utility is missing, the drivers are there and active if lsmod reports them. Seveas, check the problem (I currently can't check on this machine - missing half of the system :) )
[11:12] <twibbler> Does anybody now of a good text editor which will handle access over ftp or ssh
[11:13] <sandino> Seveas sorry new to ubuntu .. where do i locate it ..? and where can i get kernel sources
[11:13] <Seveas> skalpel, /etc/gdm/Xsession.d/PostLogin (something like that)
[11:13] <Seveas> that is sourced for all users
[11:13] <mirak> hi
[11:13] <no_dammagE> twibbler: IIRC emacs, but i never used it ;) I use vim (NO NO VIvsEMACS pls)
[11:13] <mirak> is there some package of gnome 2.12 ?
[11:13] <Seveas> !ndis
[11:13] <ubotu> well, ndis is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper or http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Ubuntu
[11:14] <Seveas> ^-- sandino
[11:14] <robotgeek_> no_dammagE: well...only vi then!
[11:14] <Seveas> !start an editor war
[11:14] <ubotu> nano is better than xemacs
[11:14] <Seveas> *runs*
[11:14] <no_dammagE> joe 4ever
[11:14] <no_dammagE> :)
[11:14] <skalpel> seveas: so i should just add the umask 000 command to my postlogin file? and it will work for all users?
[11:14] <lvraab> and so it begins...
[11:14] <meuserj|work> lol
[11:14] <andrew__> hussam, any ideas?
[11:15] <meuserj|work> vim is the best naturally
[11:15] <Seveas> skalpel, I *think* so, I'm 90% sure...
[11:15] <hussam> andrew__: yes, one sec
[11:15] <no_dammagE> damn, it takes years to install kde on a C400, im away for a smoke (don't kick me pls)
[11:15] <skalpel> seveas: well i will try it and let you know how it goes then ;)
[11:15] <stizoner> flash for firefox? libflash crashes firefox for me
[11:15] <Seveas> skalpel, i appreciate that
[11:15] <Seveas> stizoner, flashplayer-mozilla (from multiverse)
[11:15] <snorks> what flags should /boot and / have? nosuid noauto and that stuff. i am trying to install ubuntu but i dont want to wipe my windows install
[11:15] <twibbler> no_damage: but Vi is an excellent editor ... but not for multiple file handling ... it is by far the most powerful and usefull editor ...
[11:16] <Seveas> twibbler, do you know :sp
[11:16] <Seveas> vim is ideal for multiple files :)
[11:16] <stizoner> yeah i see that in the documentation, there is no such thing
[11:16] <RememberPOL> Hi there
[11:16] <Seveas> hi RememberPOL
[11:16] <no_dammagE> the best texteditor is cat text > file ^^
[11:16] <RememberPOL> Does Ubuntu support automatic online package updating?
[11:17] <RememberPOL> (via apt-get or yum or anything)
[11:17] <stizoner> i enabled all the repositorys to
[11:17] <Seveas> no_dammagE, that's not editing
[11:17] <Seveas> cat > file
[11:17] <Seveas> that is :)
[11:17] <cold_fire[] > Synaotic
[11:17] <snorks> what flags should /boot and / have? nosuid noauto and that stuff. i am trying to install ubuntu but i dont want to wipe my windows install. If you can help, please please do :(
[11:17] <Seveas> RememberPOL, apt-get/synaptic/aptitude
[11:17] <iiiears> echo is nice
[11:17] <Seveas> snorks, the installer will figure that out
[11:17] <twibbler> files files everywhere what we are really after is ultraedit for linux ...
[11:18] <freedomjazzdance> gotta question, how do you list all available wireless networks in range, using warty?
[11:18] <snorks> Seveas, not if i use advanced partitioning. if i use default it will wipe the whole drive
[11:18] <Mystery47_Newbie> hi all!
[11:18] <Seveas> freedomjazzdance, iwlist scan
[11:18] <snorks> Seveas, and i dont want that
[11:18] <cold_fire> i need a little help with pppoe-server + RADIUS? someone?
[11:18] <stizoner> damn theres more questions then there is answers :D
[11:18] <Seveas> snorks, true, but it does not need special flags in the partitioner
[11:18] <Mystery47_Newbie> i have a little problem to get my nvidia work....
[11:18] <Seveas> !nvidia
[11:18] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or quick optimizations https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia?highlight=%28nvidia%29
[11:19] <stizoner> should have like a number system, grab a number, wait in line
[11:19] <Mystery47_Newbie> im doing like beginners guide says, but i get this:
[11:19] <wrykyn> It doesn't look like ubuntu has the Eclipse packages. Is there any other way to install it ?
[11:19] <snorks> Seveas, so i should just make boot ext2 and / ext3 and hit enter?
[11:19] <skalpel> what files do i need to edit in order to change a users name?
[11:19] <zerboxx> stizoner: heh "now helping number 34019"
[11:19] <stizoner> lol
[11:19] <Mystery47_Newbie> sudo: nvidia-glx-config: command not found
[11:19] <Seveas> wrykyn, wiki.ubuntu.com/Java (that has a link to eclipse instructions)
[11:19] <Seveas> snorks, sounds like a good plan
[11:20] <wrykyn> thanks, Seveas
[11:20] <freedomjazzdance> Seveas, ok thanks, but it seems to still not be connecting...
[11:20] <cold_fire> RADIUS + pppoe-server?
[11:20] <Seveas> freedomjazzdance, iwlist scan does not connect to anything :)
[11:20] <freedomjazzdance> Im trying to connect to a router but its not letting me access the internet
[11:20] <Mystery47_Newbie> can somebody help me?
[11:20] <Mystery47_Newbie> i have a little problem to get my nvidia work....
[11:20] <freedomjazzdance> Seveas, i know iwconfig right?
[11:20] <hussam> andrew__: try this. sudo mkdir /usr/lib/qt-3.3/ && sudo mkdir usr/lib/qt-3.3/mkspecs && sudo ln -s /usr/share/qt3/mkspecs/linux-g++/ /usr/lib/qt-3.3/mkspecs/defaultdefault
[11:21] <Mystery47_Newbie> im doing like beginners guide says, but i get this:
[11:21] <twibbler> Seveas have you set the wep ..
[11:21] <Mystery47_Newbie> sudo: nvidia-glx-config: command not found
[11:21] <hussam> andrew__: sorry try this. sudo mkdir /usr/lib/qt-3.3/ && sudo mkdir usr/lib/qt-3.3/mkspecs && sudo ln -s /usr/share/qt3/mkspecs/linux-g++/ /usr/lib/qt-3.3/mkspecs/default
[11:21] <tristanmike> How do people create a database of all their cd's and dvd's in Linux??
[11:21] <tristanmike> can it be done?
[11:21] <Seveas> Mystery47_Newbie, then install the nvidia packages
[11:22] <Seveas> tristanmike, ghe, I do that on my webserver wit a php app :)
[11:22] <AdmiralCrunch> Text file :P
[11:22] <Seveas> Mystery47_Newbie, install the nvidia-glx package
[11:22] <Mystery47_Newbie> i just installed all nvidia named packages...but i cant still put enable...
[11:22] <tristanmike> Seveas: crap, nice tho, is there a program like Advanced Disk Catalog or WhereIsIt?
[11:22] <sandino> any wireless people here
[11:23] <hussam> andrew__: did you try that?
[11:23] <Seveas> tristanmike, no idea...
[11:23] <stizoner> im old fashined i prefer a cord
[11:23] <muffin_> darkheart, yay q2's running!!!
[11:23] <freedomjazzdance> can i config a wireless connection with pppoeconf??
[11:23] <twibbler> sandion yep ... whats up ...
[11:23] <AdmiralCrunch> tristanmike, you can just write a PHP script, put it on apache
[11:23] <muffin_> darkheart, but only in software x11 :(
[11:23] <Portugues> how can i access windows files by here ?
[11:23] <AdmiralCrunch> mount your windows drive
[11:23] <Seveas> Portugues: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[11:23] <Mystery47_Newbie> nvidia-glx package is installed....
[11:23] <sandino> twibbler i have a kernel error using ndiswrapper
[11:23] <tristanmike> Seveas: AdmiralCrunch: I'll keep that in mind although I have no idea how to create scripts.....I'm a Linux Virgin
[11:24] <RememberPOL> Are there any ex-slackware users in here?
[11:24] <Portugues> mnt/windows ?
[11:24] <andrew__> hussam, amazing - works
[11:24] <Portugues> thanks Seveas
[11:24] <twibbler> sandino uninstall ndiswraper and reinstall ...
[11:24] <tristanmike> You'd think they'd have something like that, I mean, people have large backup collections Id assume
[11:24] <darkheart> muffin_ Hehe congrats. Do you have the proper drivers installed for your video card?
[11:24] <Seveas> tristanmike, cdcat - media catalog program
[11:24] <tristanmike> YEAHHHHHH!!!!
[11:24] <Seveas> that might be something
[11:24] <Mystery47_Newbie> i cant find nvidia-glx with whereis.....
[11:24] <AdmiralCrunch> tristanmike, ah, gotcha, well you can just do one of those web database things for DVDs and CDs, I have never really used an app like that, so I couldn't tell you much about it on the Linux side
[11:25] <freedomjazzdance> Seveas, how did you configure the wireless card, seems to be connected but no ping of remote or local ips
[11:25] <hussam> andrew__: good
[11:25] <sandino> twibbler http://pastebin.com/340205
[11:25] <muffin_> darkheart, no not yet, but nice idea
[11:25] <Seveas> freedomjazzdance, my wifi setup is quite nonstandard, but there is a wifihowto on the wiki
[11:25] <freedomjazzdance> Seveas, i cant even access the router ip
[11:25] <Seveas> !wifi
[11:25] <ubotu> wifi is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[11:25] <Portugues> just last question, is it possible play counter-strike in ubuntu ?
[11:25] <AdmiralCrunch> yes
[11:25] <AdmiralCrunch> it is possible
[11:25] <Seveas> Portugues, yes it is
[11:25] <muffin_> yes
[11:25] <tristanmike> Seveas: I'll look into it, I am indebted to you kind sir
[11:25] <darkheart> muffin_ What kind of vid card do you have?
[11:26] <muffin_> darkheart, geforce 2
[11:26] <Portugues> nice!
[11:26] <AdmiralCrunch> LinuxQuestions.org has a good Linux gaming board
[11:26] <freedomjazzdance> Doh! thanks guys
[11:26] <AdmiralCrunch> you can figure it out there
[11:26] <twibbler> sandino: use the synaptic to unistal and reinstall ...
[11:26] <sandino> k
[11:26] <Portugues> tks AdmiralCrunch, i will check out now
[11:26] <sandino> i feel like i need kernel sources
[11:27] <twibbler> nope.....
[11:27] <AdmiralCrunch> No problem Portugues
[11:27] <darkheart> muffin_ Okay, not too bad. Shouldn't be too hard with the guide (!nvidia)
[11:27] <twibbler> sandino workstation or server ..
[11:28] <tristanmike> Seveas: if you don't mind, would you suggest that I install the .99-1 version from synaptic or get the 1.0 from the website?
[11:28] <stizoner> !ati
[11:28] <ubotu> it has been said that ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[11:28] <HLP> yooo
[11:28] <HLP> I need some SATA help
[11:28] <sandino> workstation ..laptop
[11:28] <Seveas> tristanmike, synaptic
[11:28] <muffin_> !nivida
[11:28] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, muffin_
[11:28] <AdmiralCrunch> Yeah HLP what do you need
[11:28] <muffin_> !nvida
[11:28] <ubotu> muffin_: What?
[11:28] <muffin_> !nvidia
[11:28] <ubotu> I heard nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or quick optimizations https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia?highlight=%28nvidia%29
[11:28] <HLP> AdmiralCrunch, unbuntu doesnt seem to pick up my harddrive
[11:29] <andrew__> hussam, i'm getting a lot of error now, but i dont know if its the setup or the code i'm trying to compile - it's a stable branch so it should work...
[11:29] <tristanmike> Seveas: I woulda thought. How would I check to see if this will be included in breezy?
[11:29] <HLP> AdmiralCrunch, it is SATA
[11:29] <Seveas> muffin_, the bot gets rude if you don't feed him :)
[11:29] <twibbler> sandino: ok system -> admin -> synaptic .....
[11:29] <ubiquiti1> gdm dies in a few seconds after opening up
[11:29] <Seveas> !botsnack
[11:29] <ubotu> thanks seveas :)
[11:29] <sandino> twibbler all im installing is the ndiswrapper-utilities
[11:29] <chez> i'm having trouble building a bluetooth application from source, can someone give me a hand? can't find bluetooth.h, hci.h is the error msg
[11:29] <tristanmike> Seveas: sorry for the 20 questions
[11:29] <sandino> twibbler there now.. removed it
[11:29] <AdmiralCrunch> Does the drive show up at all when you look at /dev HLP?
[11:29] <ubiquiti1> why's this? also how would i force vga=771 or nofb with grub?
[11:30] <AdmiralCrunch> Like sda1 sdb2?
[11:30] <HLP> AdmiralCrunch, i dont belivbe so i have tried /dev/hdc hda sda
[11:30] <HLP> all them
[11:30] <twibbler> sandino ok reinstall
[11:30] <Seveas> tristanmike, http://packages.ubuntu.com
[11:30] <tristanmike> Seveas: you are a credit to this community sir
[11:30] <AdmiralCrunch> HLP open up your terminal
[11:30] <twibbler> sandino is it PCMCIA or inbuilt ...
[11:30] <HLP> AdmiralCrunch, k opened
[11:30] <AdmiralCrunch> and type mount
[11:30] <HLP> k
[11:30] <AdmiralCrunch> do any other hard drives show up
[11:30] <Seveas> tristanmike, it's 1.0-2 http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=cdcat&searchon=names&subword=1&version=breezy&release=all
[11:31] <ubiquiti1> X works through startx fine (with the user root, in the single-user mode)
[11:31] <HLP> AdmiralCrunch, checking now
[11:31] <sandino> twibbler built in
[11:31] <twibbler> ok ndiswraper -l from prompt ...
[11:31] <sandino> ok reinsalled
[11:31] <Seveas> ubiquiti1, re: the grub question: add the kernel parameters to the '# kopt' line in /boot/grub/menu.lst and run update-grub
[11:32] <no_dammagE> will ubuntu setup my printer automatically/is there a wizard or do I have to configure it manually?
[11:32] <sandino> twibbler sandino@earache:~$ ndiswrapper -l installed ndis drivers: bcmw15 invalid driver!
[11:32] <tristanmike> thanx all :)
[11:32] <Seveas> no_dammagE, system -> administration -> printing has a 'new printer' wizard
[11:32] <tristanmike> see ya later, take care
[11:32] <twibbler> sandino ..... ndisdriver -e bcmwl5
[11:33] <no_dammagE> Seveas: thanks, ill just have to wait until full kubuntu-desktop has been downloaded (half gig ;) )
[11:33] <sandino> did that.. says no drivers installed
[11:33] <twibbler> excellent ...
[11:33] <twibbler> so what is your wifi card i.e linksys
[11:33] <sandino> broadcom
[11:33] <ubiquiti1> what's this header problem with apt-get
[11:34] <ubiquiti1> i can't install packages, it starts to "wait for the headers" indefinitely and another time yesterday it failed to download a package i could install easily manually after wgetting it
[11:34] <iiiears> Seveas - Three questions at a time for awhile there. - nice :) (Faxes a Pepsi)
[11:36] <twibbler> sandino ... do you have the .inf driver file ...
[11:36] <Seveas> ubiquiti1, hmm, maybe a failing mirror
[11:36] <Seveas> iiiears, eeek
[11:36] <Seveas> I hate that :)
[11:36] <iiiears> lol - Pepsi?
[11:36] <sandino> twibbler yes
[11:37] <ubiquiti1> Seveas: thaks
[11:37] <ubiquiti1> thanks, even
[11:37] <twibbler> ok however the linux driver is here http://www.broadcom.com/drivers/downloaddrivers.php
[11:37] <darkheart> lol...throw baby in lake?
[11:37] <sandino> twibbler wrks fine in slackware and freebsd
[11:37] <no_dammagE> darkheart: well, shit happens ^^
[11:38] <sandino> thats why the error i think is kernel sources
[11:38] <twibbler> and the zip file has an rpm ....
[11:38] <twibbler> so download unzip and alien the rpm so you dpkg the .deb
[11:39] <ubiquiti1> Seveas: hmm... i get the same both with us.archive.ubuntu.com and gb.archive.ubuntu.com at least
[11:39] <darkheart> no_dammagE Hehe, well, it was pretty random/funny.
[11:39] <Seveas> ubiquiti1, odd
[11:39] <Seveas> try archive.ubuntu.com
[11:39] <twibbler> thus should avoid the kernel and having to use ndiswrapper ..
[11:40] <darkheart> ubiquiti1 You need a /ubuntu/ at the end of those domain names also.
[11:40] <Sponge_> How do I improve video speed on cedega? I tried to play starcraft, but the video is quite slow (but not choppy). I downloaded and installed the latest nvidia drivers, but I don't know what else can I do.
[11:40] <hussam> andrew__: what error?
[11:41] <c0rrupt_> i used cedega to play unreal tournament
[11:41] <c0rrupt_> xD
[11:41] <sandino> twibbler thards.. not wireless ..?ats for ethernet c
[11:41] <c0rrupt_> works fine
[11:41] <sandino> oops
[11:41] <thiago_> irc.brasnet.org
[11:41] <sandino> twibbler that seems for ethernet.. not wireless .. ?
[11:41] <penticlex> how di I fix grub
[11:42] <twibbler> ok ..... there are three drivers which one is for your card ?...
[11:42] <twibbler> if not we go back to ndiswrapper ...
[11:42] <penticlex> my primary HDD crashed witch had grub in the MBR
[11:43] <penticlex> I loaded the live cd thats how I am on know
[11:44] <penticlex> I cant apt get from hear and the I cant get to a shell on the install cd
[11:44] <sandino> twibbler neither of those are mine.. i have the inf files from the xp disk
[11:44] <no_dammagE> penticlex: chroot into your system (mount /dev/rootdevice /mnt/rootmount , mount -t proc none /mnt/rootmount/proc , chroot /mnt/rootmount /bin/bash , source /etc/profile . then call grub-install)
[11:44] <Sponge_> I need help with cedega.... any volunteer?
[11:44] <twibbler> ok put somewher usefull and open command prompt as root .
[11:45] <sandino> k
[11:45] <skalpel> can someone tell me what files to edit to change a users name?
[11:45] <snorks> ok, my harddrive, sda (sata disk)), contains 1 partition with ntfs on it for win xp. if i chose to install ubuntu, would simply defining sda2 (130 GB) as installpartition be sufficient? will ubuntu fix own partitions for boot and swap?
[11:45] <no_dammagE> penticlex: it requires that the root filesystem is of course alive/exists (the grub configuration file in /boot/grub IIRC)
[11:46] <hussam> andrew__: what errors do you get?
[11:46] <penticlex> it is xp was on my primary drive
[11:46] <penticlex> thanks
[11:46] <no_dammagE> penticlex: did it work?
[11:47] <no_dammagE> penticlex: i hope yes, but even if grub-install succeded, you can be only 100% sure after a reboot ^^
[11:48] <firebird619> Can anyone help me with a modem issue. I downloaded the drivers for PCTel modems that support my kernel (2.6.10-5-386) and installed them. According to lsmod, all of the modules for the modem that the README file says should be there are there, however, I cannot connect to the Internet with my modem. Could someone please help me?
[11:49] <snorks> !howto scanner
[11:49] <ubotu> snorks: Not a clue
[11:49] <bina> anyone know of a good file comparison prog?
[11:50] <no_dammagE> penticlex: is there no xp anymore? or did everything stay as was (devices I mean) if devices changed the numbers, you should modify /boot/grub/grub.com ...
[11:50] <snorks> ok, my harddrive, sda (sata disk)), contains 1 partition with ntfs on it for win xp. if i chose to install ubuntu, would simply defining sda2 (130 GB) as installpartition be sufficient? will ubuntu fix own partitions for boot and swap?
[11:50] <DJMirage> bina: diff
[11:51] <cafuego> snorks: yes
[11:51] <c0rrupt_> what does this error mean
[11:51] <no_dammagE> snorks: you will 100% need at least 2 partitions: / and swap. What's the problem to create them? (if you choose to delete the who harddisk it should create a reasonable partition table)
[11:51] <c0rrupt_> or how can it be fixed
[11:51] <c0rrupt_> /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build/.config
[11:51] <c0rrupt_> no such file or directory
[11:51] <bina> DjMirage: nice, thanks
[11:51] <cafuego> snorks: Actually, no. make sure sda2 desn't exist and make ubuntu automatically use the available free space
[11:51] <DJMirage> np ;)
[11:52] <c0rrupt_> ?
[11:52] <c0rrupt_> trying to compile rtl8180 drivers
[11:52] <rebel_> any cedega chamsp around?
[11:53] <c0rrupt_> i use cedega
[11:53] <rebel_> play eq?
[11:53] <c0rrupt_> no
[11:53] <c0rrupt_> ;\
[11:53] <skalpel> can someone tell me how to fix the follorwing error? bonnie@emachine:~$ sudo chmod 777 -R ~
[11:53] <skalpel> bonnie is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
[11:53] <c0rrupt_> plx help compiling driver
[11:53] <c0rrupt_> Makefile:8: /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build/.config: No such file or directory
[11:53] <skalpel> can someone tell me how to fix the following error? /home/skalpel/pics/21697_turtles.jpg
[11:53] <rebel_> damn, well i used the *deb to install and everything worked, ran worse than winxp
[11:53] <rebel_> so i decided to use the cvs and i can't get eq to run
[11:53] <guido_> cafuego, snorks: I think the only "automatic" option the installer has is to use the whole drive, not free space
[11:53] <skalpel> can someone tell me how to fix this error? bonnie@emachine:~$ sudo chmod 777 -R ~
[11:53] <skalpel> bonnie is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
[11:54] <skalpel> ca someone tell me how to fix this error? bonnie@emachine:~$ sudo chmod 777 -R ~
[11:54] <skalpel> bonnie is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
[11:54] <skalpel> hear and the I cant get to a shell on the install cd
[11:54] <skalpel> 16:44 < sandino> twibbler neither of those are mine.. i have the inf files from the xp disk
[11:54] <inva|id> skalpel: take it easy, someone will answer if they know
[11:54] <skalpel> 16:44 < no_dammagE> penticlex: chroot into your system (mount /dev/rootdevice /mnt/rootmount , mount -t proc none /mnt/rootmount/proc , chroot /mnt/rootmount /bin/bash
[11:54] <c0rrupt_> why would you do that anyway skalpel
[11:54] <skalpel> , source /etc/profile . then call grub-install)
[11:54] <skalpel> bonnie is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
[11:54] <c0rrupt_> stop spamming you twat
[11:54] <skalpel> bonnie@emachine:~$ sudo chmod 777 -R ~bonnie is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
[11:54] <skalpel> bonnie@emachine:~$ sudo chmod 777 -R ~bonnie is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
[11:54] <skalpel> bonnie@emachine:~$ sudo chmod 777 -R ~bonnie is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
[11:55] <no_dammagE> votekick
[11:55] <skalpel> bonnie@emachine:~$ sudo chmod 777 -R ~bonnie is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
[11:55] <no_dammagE> :)
[11:55] <skalpel> bonnie@emachine:~$ sudo chmod 777 -R ~bonnie is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
[11:55] <c0rrupt_> votekick skalpel
[11:55] <inva|id> votekick skalpel
[11:55] <snorks> guido_, if i tell ubuntu to use all available space on my harddrive, thats all available except winxp, it will setup stuff automagically?
[11:55] <c0rrupt_> hows it work?
[11:55] <no_dammagE> lol, it doesn't work :)
[11:55] <c0rrupt_> Lol
[11:55] <skalpel> can someone tell me how to fix this error? bonnie@emachine:~$ sudo chmod 777 -R ~/
[11:55] <c0rrupt_> damn
[11:55] <skalpel> bonnie is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported
[11:55] <c0rrupt_> skalpel shut the fuck up
[11:55] <no_dammagE> it is from old HL times
[11:55] <c0rrupt_> too bad
[11:55] <c0rrupt_> ;\
[11:55] <skalpel> c0rrupt_: very sorry, my screen was not scrolling
[11:55] <c0rrupt_> .........
[11:55] <no_dammagE> ./ignore skalpel
[11:55] <darkheart> lol
[11:56] <Mystery47_Newbie> hi! How i can uninstall enemy territory?
[11:56] <skalpel> my apologies.
[11:56] <guido_> snorks, if I remember correctly "all" means all and not "only free space"
[11:56] <Seveas> jeez
[11:56] <Seveas> what an idiot
[11:56] <darkheart> skalpel It means they don't have permission to use sudo...try the command 'visudo'
[11:56] <no_dammagE> Mystery47_Newbie: IIRC there is an uninstallation script in /usr/local/games/enemy-territory
[11:56] <Mystery47_Newbie> thanks
[11:56] <no_dammagE> Mystery47_Newbie: cd there and ls, see if there is something to uninstall ;) np
[11:56] <Mystery47_Newbie> cd /usr/local/games/enemy-territory
[11:57] <guido_> snorks, I mean i think it will wipe xp if you do that
[11:57] <darkheart> Console question: If ctrl+a takes you to the beginning of the line, what takes you to the end?
[11:57] <no_dammagE> Mystery47_Newbie: else: rm -rf /usr/local/games/enemy-territory, rm -rf /home/user/.etwolf (or .wolfet, i don't remember it correctly), whereis et, rm -rf /path/to/et
[11:58] <no_dammagE> Mystery47_Newbie: IIRC by default /path/to/et is /usr/bin/et ...
[11:58] <no_dammagE> Mystery47_Newbie: but im pretty sure there is an uninstaller
[11:58] <dech> I was wondering if anyone would be able to point me in the right direction to find out how to install my soundblaster audigy 2, i have just installed kubuntu and am /quite/ impressed, but my soundcard seems to not be installed :)
[11:58] <Seveas> !audigy
[11:58] <ubotu> somebody said audigy was muted by default in Ubuntu. To unmute, type alsamixer and find Audigy Analog/Digital Out. Select it and press M to unmute. Then type sudo alsactl store to save your settings.
[11:58] <Seveas> hth
[11:58] <amonkey> can i spoof windows? my school's internet check's for approved os's to help against spyware, and i need it to look like XP
[11:59] <dech> Aha thanks ill do that now :)
[11:59] <codecaine> amonkey, spoof your browser?
[11:59] <Seveas> amonkey, they want windows against spyware?!?
[11:59] <Seveas> that's such an oxymoron...
[11:59] <WhyvasMct> hahahahha
[11:59] <codecaine> yeah sounds completely backwards
[11:59] <codecaine> Anyone in here successfully load latest breezy live cd?
[11:59] <Seveas> amonkey, but what exactly do you want to spoof?
[11:59] <no_dammagE> amonkey: lol, windows against spyware, ok. Well, on what level are they filtering? TCP? HTTP? if HTTP, then a lot of browsers support spoofing e.g. Opera
[12:00] <Seveas> firefox too :)
[12:00] <stizoner> i cant get used 2 the file layout of this... anyways, where would the right place to put xchat addons?
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"timtux",
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"titanium",
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"tomaj",
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"uglysmurf",
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"user1",
"user1_",
"vader1102",
"vaina",
"visor",
"vitriol",
"vivi20",
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"volatile_",
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"vortec_",
"w0rmz",
"waxhead",
"whistlerstag",
"wickedpuppy",
"wrykyn",
"x_or",
"xrnath",
"yankee",
"yccheok",
"yhonatan",
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"zAo^",
"zaid",
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"zero_",
"zkimel",
"zovirl",
"zukalk",
"zyros"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2005/08/23/%23ubuntu.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu"
}
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