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The PLO accepted all US and Israeli conditions for peace and signed the Oslo Peace Accord in 1993, in return for an end to Israeli occupation. 30 years have passed, and the Palestinians regained nothing. On the contrary, Israel occupied more land, built more settlements, increased its military presence, and violated holy sites. Also, the Palestinians in Gaza launched a peaceful initiative called the March of Return by walking to the Israeli military fence surrounding Gaza demanding an end to the suffocating blockade. Israeli snipers responded by killing hundreds of marchers and injuring over 36,000; the marchers posed no eminent threat to the Israeli forces. For the Palestinians, peace treaties and peaceful marches only exacerbated their loss and perpetuated their suffering. It is no surprise that they will resort to all available means, including armed struggle.
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during the War of Independence, many Arab villages were destroyed and about 700,000 people were displaced. That's what happens when you try to wipe out your neighbors. You might well lose and have to pay the price. At the same time, 800,000 Jews were brutally expelled from Muslim countries. For some reason, no one cares about them or wants to tell their story.
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The Israelis frequently condemn the Palestinian side (such as the current ongoing Hamas attack) for terrorist attacks and whatnot - unsurprisingly so, given that Israel is their side (just like how America, of course, condemned the 9/11 attacks.) But I am not convinced that, if the roles were reversed, that the Israelis would be behaving any differently. Say that Israel were squelched and prevented from being a formally-recognized nation state on terms that it wanted (yes, the Palestinians have been offered two-state solutions, but none that they found satisfactory), and also that it was facing continuous blockade, in poverty, were under the control of a much bigger, stronger, richer opponent of the opposing religion, and that this went on for decades with no end in sight. I don't believe, for one moment, that the Israelis would say "Well, we'll just be content and stay like this forever and always pursue peaceful solutions even though we've found that peace gets us nothing." The Israelis would be doing something just like what Gaza Hamas is doing right now. And in fact, that's similar to what Israel did, in fact, do. The Lehi (Stern Gang) used terrorist attacks to help get the nation of Israel formed in the first place, back in the 1940s. So the viewpoint I am trying to get changed is this: If the Israelis were in the shoes of the Palestinians, they'd behave the same. And in fact, most people in the world would, too.
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Firstly, before the 'war', Antizionists became antizionists because they viewed Israel as a colonial project, an apartheid state and beleived that people in Gaza lived in an open air prison. You may disagree with that characterisation but you have to admit that zionsism at least resembles a colonial project, the west bank resembles apartheid and gaza resembles an open air prison. It may not actually be any of those things but it is pretty obvious why some people characterise it this way. Even if you disagree with the framing, you have to see why some people might see it that way. Furthermore, Israel is not being held to a standard other countries are not held too. I can't think of another country where two sets of people live on the same land but one group lives under martial law (the west bank) and has essentially different freedoms of movements and laws applied to them. I mean this obviously occurred in South Africa and Jim Crow but these were rightfully denounced and abolished by the western world (eventually). I can't think of another example of an area where an entire population (who are native to the land) are put into (what could be considered) an open-air prison like Gaza. Maybe north korea but not like they're very popular in the west. There are other countries that started as colonial projects (Australia, South Africa and many north/south American countries) but they do not still persecute the native people as much as the Palestinians are persecuted today. The countries mentioned don't have anything that resembles an open air prison, the indigenous people's movements are not restricted in the same way and the natives don't live under martial law. Is there discrimination in these countries against the native people? Of course. But these native people have far more freedom than Palestinians. The native people in these countries are also not still being forcefully displaced (at least in countries like the US and Australia but maybe you could make this argument for Brazil when the fascist cunt Bolsanaro was in power). Now most people who are showing support for the Palestinians today are doing so because of this 'war'. In comparison, Palestinians protests were much much smaller before the 'war' and most people weren't any more invested in the Palestinians than any other persecuted people. So why suddenly is everyone so passionate about Palestinians now?
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Because they took hostages and because they struck first therefore all the death that follows from this is on them simply does not correct
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It's simple, most people who are against this current 'war' are not against it because they 'support terrorism' or are antisemetic. They are against it because they beleive 2% of the population has been killed, 15,000 children have been killed (more than all wars in the last 5 years combined) and Israel is preventing food and water from reaching Gaza. You may not beleive the Gaza Health Ministry numbers, you may believe that the civilian deaths are from human shields, you may think that collateral damage is an unfortunate necessity and that Israel does everything it can to prevent civilian deaths. That's fine but you can't say everyone who doesn't agree with that is anti semetic or a terrorist supporters. I could literally give evidence to justify both arguments and you can't just call everyone who disagrees with you a racist/terrorist. You may think they are wrong but that doesn't mean they are wrong because they are antisemitic.
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What your saying is Palestine can’t start anything even though Israel has been doing it for many years, make it make sense! What you expect people to get punch and not get revenge sooner or later. If Palestine attacks it's considered terrorism but if Israel attacks it's considered self defense 4. If you have any logic in your small head you'll understand but unfortunately people fall through the media even though it's always controlled and full of one sided conversations.
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Israel declared itself a country and included all the Palestinian Arabs that wanted to join. In response to its Declaration of Independence, it was invaded by a bunch of Arab nations who sought to destroy the newly recreated Jewish state. At the end of the war, Israel needed to have borders so it defined its borders. People outside the borders were outside the borders. They were free to create a just equitable society if they wished. So I would disagree with your premise that anyone stole anything.
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Gaza has giant luxerious resorts, cafés, universities, hospitals, giant mosques, hotels, nightclubs, markets, cinemas, kindergartens, fashion shops, etc.. Palestinians from all over the world go visit family and vacation there. Gazans still claim refugee status after 70 yrs. The population has exploded. Genocide my foot. There is more than only the border to Israel: the border to Egypt. Nobody asks why Egypt won't open it..
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Ze’ev Jabotinsky, the founder of Revisionist Zionism, self-identified as a colonizer. He compared the Palestinian Arabs to the native Americans and the Zionists to Hernán Cortes in his work The Iron Wall
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Every country has the right to defend itself. However, as an occupying force, Israel's position is offensive by default. The Hamas attacks did not happen in a vacuum. Prior to October 7th, Israel had continuously breached international law, subjecting the Palestinians to a perpetual state of vanquish and suffering. With the killing of thousands of Palestinians, the demolition of tens of thousands of homes, the theft of water and land, the imprisonment of thousands without trial, and the harsh restrictions on movement of people and commodities, it is hard to imagine how the Palestinians would not fight back to defend themselves. Even if you believe Israel is "defending" itself after the Hamas attacks, what do you think that entails? Is it defending itself by collectively punishing a population of more than 2 million people, by cutting off food, water, and power, by indiscriminate bombarding with over 7000 missiles in 2 weeks, by murdering thousands of men, women, and children, or by enforcing the displacement of over a million citizens? Do these seem like the actions of a state defending itself?
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If an actual genocide was happening, the casualties would probably reach 1.5 million.
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Hamas is the group that started this and should be held accountable for genocide. They went after people simply, because they were Israeli, and assumed to be Jewish. They want to obliterate all Jews in the world, and that is the very definition of genocide.
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Israel for years before October 7th was propping up Hamas was underestimating the threat of Hamas and was relying way too heavily on their machine gun robots instead of having actual soldiers on protecting their border so they could just not do that they could just stop right now and not do that anymore
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If there's any Native Americans around still they should have full rights protections under our legal order ... you can't just keep abusing them at a certain point you got to go hey the past was bad we're not going to 100% make up for it but going forward you deserve your freedom as much as anyone else does
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There is no question that Benjamin Netanyahu is desperate to keep this war going as long as he can ... his entire Doctrine was I'm going to do this and thwart a Palestinian state so that we can protect our people and it culminated in October 7th
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No, Hamas is the product of jihadist Islam and Nazi antisemitism. That's why their charter explicitly stated their objective to destroy Israel and murder Jews. And Mandela was a terrorist, but the ANC didn't target civilians. They certainly didn't go house to house murdering entire families, kidnapping children and the elderly, raping women and parading them through the streets, and burning people alive in their cars.
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Let's imagine for a minute that you were a 30 year old Palestinian mother living in a tent with 4 children in squalor. None of you here have ever likely faced being 1st World poor let alone living in a war zone in filthy conditions.
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Hamas ought to be accountable but innocent Palestinians shouldn't be ... Hamas is really accountable for the escalation for the perpetuation ... in other words, we all hate the sight of dead Israelis hate the sight of dead innocent Palestinians
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The most I hear about from the pro-Pal side is about the Iron Dome. Israel have the Iron Dome, what does it matter if Hamas shoot a few rockets here and there, right? Well, the Iron Dome is incredible but it's not immune and there have been rockets that get through and hit, generally this happens when Hamas fire huge numbers at once. Here's something that I heard about from my partner but never saw once in the Western media, the Barzilai hospital has been hit repeatedly by Hamas rockets. For my partner and son this is their local hospital, my heart breaks when I think about the idea that they could have been nearby when this happened. I'm living in the UK right now caring for a family member and it's horrible seeing on the news everyday that Israelis are monsters, that the IDF are terrorists and yet never once have I seen Hamas called out for rockets doing severe damage to an Israeli hospital, they don't call out Hamas for their war crimes. Occasionally they'll reluctantly mention the hostages when pushed but that's about it.
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Those advocating for a 1 or 2 state solution aren't saying Israel needs to return all their land - just that Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank either need equal rights (1 state solution), or their own independent, sovereign state that isn't occupied and/or controlled by Israel (2 state solution). Analogously, the US did horrible things to the Native Americans to form the country - war, massacres, broken treaties, etc... To rectify that now, the US shouldn't cease to exist and cede all its land and control back to the various tribes, but at the very least all current Native Americans should have the same rights as all other US citizens, which thankfully they do. There are still many issues, but imagine if reservations were walled off, bombed, etc... So there is a lot of nuance and middle ground here other than either side's most extreme "river to the sea" statements. Peace can be achieved without Israel ceasing to exist, but not if it keeps repressing the Palestinian people's basic rights.
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Israel has a right and obligation and responsibility to rescue them ... if Hamas keeps committing to keeping them as in civilian homes hidden among civilian populations Israel has a right and obligation and responsibility to rescue them
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You could argue that Israel should never have been created or should have been established somewhere else, but those decisions were made before most of us were born, and debating it now does no one any good. Ultimately, we need a solution that guarantees the safety and security of both Israelis and Palestinians, but that's easier said than done. As long as groups like Hamas exist, Israel can't safely take their finger off the trigger, and everything they do to root out extremists only fuels the next generation of extremists. It's a violent cycle that neither side knows how to extricate themselves from.
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"If this is genocide, then the Israelis are pathetic at it. They warn civilians to stay away from certain areas. Texting civilians. To compare Gaza now to the Holocaust is to declare that one is not up on history....now if the Nazis warned the Jews to NOT show up at the railroad station to be transported to Auschwitz, then perhaps it would be the same. "
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Firstly, I firmly believe that Israel knowingly allowed the October 7 attack to occur. Here's a few reasons why: -Israel was warned, but ignored/dismissed intel from Egypt and the US that an attack was imminent -Israel has arguably the best intelligence agency in the world. Surely armed men training on motorbikes with parachutes attached would have come across their radar -Guards who were stationed at the border post where Hamas entered, had sent reports to the highest-ranking intelligence officer in the southern command weeks before, warning of unusual activity, but the reports were ignored I believe that Israel wanted any reason to enter a war with Hamas, so that they could access Gaza. Hamas' attack was brutal and horrific. This gave Israel the opportunity to strike almost any target they wanted to, without concern for civilian casualties, if they reported Hamas was nearby. Palestinians were told to leave Gaza, but given nowhere to go. Still Israel dropped bombs. Documents have now come out of the Israeli Parliament, outlining plans for a temporary tent city on the Sinai Peninsula for displaced Palestinians, with the long term goal of making it permanent. I personally believe this has all been masterfully played by Israel, as a way of taking back the small but holy landmark of the Dome of the Rock. Or more importantly, the location of Temple Mount, where it is believed that once a third, previously demolished Temple is built, the Messiah will return.
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A colony traditionally means that a foreign body encroaches on another people's land in pursuit of domination either by controlling (exploitation colonization) or replacing (settler colonization) the indigenous inhabitants. When Theodor Herzl started the call for the modern zionist movement in 1896 to establish a national homeland for the jews in Palestine, jews at that time constituted a very small minority in Palestine. Jewish immigration started to increase after the movement and their number was estimated at 56,000 in 1918. The immigration specifically skyrocketed after Balfour declaration in 1917 that by 1939, the Jewish population had increased to 445,000. Source So, it is an obvious case of settler colonization that can't be refuted but some people may argue that if the settler is the true indigenous population then it is not colonization. This can be refuted by: Even if modern-day palestenians started to settle in the region after the jews that doesn't mean that they aren't indigenous; I don't know what makes you indigenous more than living continuously in the same area for about 2000 years. By that same logic, modern-day americans have no place in America because they are the descendants of europeans who invaded the region 300 years ago when the land belonged to the indigenous amirican population. The plot twist, but an obvious thing, is that genetically palestinians are direct descendants of the ancient Israelites; they are jews who converted to christianity and then converted to islam. They are more ethnically israelites than most large jewish groups especailly askenazi jews whose europian ancestry is more than 50% while palestinian muslims have arab ancestory of only 20 to 30%. It is more striking when in comparison, palestinian muslims are more genetically close to askinazi jews than Saudi arabs, but yemenite jews are more arab than palestinian muslims. Source: (mega analysis of several research papers of dna material of several sources compiled into a database summarized in this thread). In light of these facts and logical assumptions, there is no way to state that the jews have a distinctive or better claim to the land of palestine more than palestinians EXCEPT if: You strongly sympathize with the jews because of the holaucost in europe and their long persecution there; which is very good and healthy thing to do but what have this to do with the palestinians? They werent the ones to persecute them in europe, so they dont have to atone for the mistakes and atrocities of europeans with their land and lives. If someone owes to compensate them then they should be europeans specifically germans. Why didn't they give them a piece of their land to build a Jewish-majority state?
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If Palestinians have a contiguous healthy democratic state, I don't think you see acts of violence. I don't think you see the kind of danger that you're talking about if they have access to safety, dignity, self-determination, freedom, etc.
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Genocide in Jewish/Israeli world language is not the same as any other language. Israel killing Arabs = genocide. Every body else killing Arabs = collateral damage. Arabs killing Arabs = life goes on. Russia/china killing Arabs = another day in the park. Nothing we can do about it.
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The atomic bomb drops weren't even necessary, it was just a show of force. Japan was in no shape to continue fighting. Fast forward and instead of any real diplomatic efforts to truly make peace, the US has continued to only show more aggression without caring for human dignity in all of its wars since WW2 (the only war in recent decades with a noble cause to fight). The cost of what Israel is doing will come back to bite them 10x harder. You see the pain and agony in the young faces of these children and young fathers with only rubble and death surrounding them? They will seek revenge in any way possible.
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Why would anyone reflexively take the side of the weaker party rather than what they are doing? Hamas hides behind civilians as shields while they indiscriminately launch rockets at Israeli civilians, caring nothing for who they hit and hoping Israel kills Innocents trying to counterstrike so they can get the optics. Hamas will only settle for the extermination of Israel. Relative strength is a terrible metric for who you support.
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The Yeshuv is nurtured and formed before Hitler ever rises to power. I view the entire project as not beginning out of the kind of urgency of the Holocaust but out of a desire to have one's own self-determination and land because of the permanence of anti-Semitism
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1am done with the American government and Israeli government supporting this Hitler regime from Israel murdering over 30,000 innocent people as if God and the sacred life of human beings does not matter.
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Actually, Israel attacked first. It is commonly claimed that it was a preemptive strike in the face of a planned Arab invasion, but that's not what the Israeli military and political leaders said: "I do not think Nasser wanted war. The two divisions he sent to The Sinai would not have been sufficient to launch an offensive war. He knew it and we knew it." Yitzhak Rabin interview published in Le Monde February 28, 1968. “The entire story of the danger of extermination was invented in every detail and exaggerated a posteriori to justify the annexation of new Arab territory.” Mordecai Bentov interview with Israeli newspaper Al-Hamishmar, April 14, 1971. "We were not threatened with genocide on the eve of the Six Days War, and we had never thought of such a possibility.” Haim Bar-Lev interview with Israeli newspaper Ma’ariv, April 4, 1972. "There was never any danger of annihilation. This hypothesis has never been considered in any serious meeting." Ezer Weizmann, same interview. "The former Commander of the Air Force, General Ezer Weitzman, regarded as a hawk, stated that there was 'no threat of destruction' but that the attack on Egypt, Jordan and Syria was nevertheless justified so that Israel could 'exist according the scale, spirit, and quality she now embodies.' The Fateful Triangle by Noam Chomsky. “The thesis according to which the danger of genocide hung over us in June 1967, and according to which Israel was fighting for her very physical survival, was nothing but a bluff which was born and bred after the war.” Mattityahu Peled, Spring of 1972. “Israel was never in real danger and there was no evidence that Egypt had any intention of attacking Israel.” .... “Israeli intelligence knew that Egypt was not prepared for war.” Mattityahu Peled, radio programme. “There was no danger of annihilation. Neither Israeli headquarters nor the Pentagon – as the memoirs of President Johnson proved – believed in this danger.” Chaim Herzog, same programme. “All those stories about the huge danger we were facing because of our small territorial size, an argument expounded once the war was over, have never been considered in our calculations. While we proceeded towards the full mobilisation of our forces, no person in his right mind could believe that all this force was necessary to our ‘defence’ against the Egyptian threat. This force was to crush once and for all the Egyptians at the military level and their Soviet masters at the political level. To pretend that the Egyptian forces concentrated on our borders were capable of threatening Israel’s existence does not only insult the intelligence of any person capable of analysing this kind of situation, but is primarily an insult to the Israeli army.” Mattityahu Peled, Le Monde, June 3rd, 1972. "The kibbutzim saw the good agricultural land ... and they dreamed about it... They didn't even try to hide their greed for the land..." Moshe Dayan conversation with Israeli journalist Rami Tal, 1976. "I know how at least 80 percent of the clashes there started. In my opinion, more than 80 percent, but let's talk about 80 percent. It went this way: We would send a tractor to plow some area where it wasn't possible to do anything, in the demilitarized area, and knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot. If they didn't shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance farther, until in the end the Syrians would get annoyed and shoot. And then we would use artillery and later the air force also, and that's how it was.'' Moshe Dayan, same conversation. “I made a mistake in allowing the Israel conquest of the Golan Heights. As defense minister I should have stopped it because the Syrians were not threatening us at the time [fourth day of the war].” Moshe Dayan, same conversation. “In June 1967 we again had a choice. The Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.” Menecham Begin, 1982.Helpful website: http://www.ifamericansknew.org/
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You're fighting terrorists that are operating out of civilian infrastructure. These are the most cowardly ways you can ever conduct
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Palestine has been genocidal towards the Jews for literally forever. The state was founded on the idea of Jewish erasure and named Palestina as a reference to the Phillistines who invaded and enslaved the second Jewish commonwealth on the land. This was done to remind the Jews of their place as slaves and lessen their attachment to their homeland. There would literally be no Palestine without the theme of Jewish erasure or the fact that it was the Jewish homeland for many generations before Palestinians even existed. It’s used as wedge to validate the other antisemitic states who call for Jewish genocide’s attacks in Israel. Back in 1977 before the current narrative of infantilized Palestine was a thing the leader of the major ruling political party of Palestine the PLO, of which Fatah is a part, had this to say about what Palestine was. “The Palestinian people do not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan. -Zuheir Mohsen, PLO leader From: “Wij zijn alleen Palestijn om politieke reden,” James Dorsey, Trouw, 31 March 1977 More honest times I suppose. An era when social media could not be used to the advantages it is today. This is why ironically Palestinians were only granted autonomy over their land once Israel was formed. The Ottoman, British, Jordanian and Egyptians never allowed a formal Palestine state. before Hamas existed modern Palestine has been calling for genocide and long before Israel existed they have been murdering Jews.
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In 1948, the Arabs did a civil war to try to expel the Israelis and it didn't work, and then Israel declared independence in 1948, and then after, during the ongoing Civil War, all of the surrounding states decided to declare war to try to push the Israelis out.
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The Palestinians are locked in the same cycle because they've been abandoned by everybody
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If you are using this to justify the belief that Palestine are the good side, you have to ignore a lot of the bad, not just from Hamas, but from Palestinian Authority. In June 2011, the Independent Commission for Human Rights published a report that found that Palestinians in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip were subjected in 2010 to an "almost systematic campaign" of human rights abuse by the Palestinian Authority and Hamas, as well as by Israeli authorities, with the security forces of the PA and Hamas being responsible for torture, arrests and arbitrary detentions.
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if there weren’t so many explosives underground that Hamas is hiding underneath its civilians homes, this image would not have been as heartbreaking. So you’re welcome, we are fighting this war for them and for YOU too and for the rest of the world. HAMAS IS ISIS Oh, and not one word about over 100 trucks full of aid and food that are entering each day. Must have slipped your social-media education
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Both sides are willing to cycle through periods of violence because they think that it's going to benefit them, but historically it just has happened to benefit Israel
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Fked up when they said move south everyone...then bomb them in the south..Lost my support then...Should of been only troops on the ground in the southern section.
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It took two nuclear bombs and hundred of thousands dead to win over japanese army. It saved millions of lives moving forward. It will take thousands of lives to win over Hamas and save millions in the future. That is the cost.
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"Is Israel occupying the Palestinians? Yes. Have they been doing it for over 50 years? Yes. Is that brutal oppression? Yes.
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Israel is no better than N. Korea. It's just got a "made in America" label on it.
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in not-so-many years from now, when Radical Islam will probably rule your country and major parts of Europe, when YOUR kids probably won't be safe in their own beds, like ours, you will go back to this post and understand this was only the beginning. And maybe, just maybe, wished you picked the other side in a conflict you pretend to understand. Maybe, just maybe, wished you would've stand by the right side of history
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"Is Israel occupying the Palestinians? Yes. Have they been doing it for over 50 years? Yes. Is that brutal oppression? Yes.
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Even though Israel withdrew Israeli settlers from Gaza in 2005, it retained effective control over the territory, which it tightened further through an unlawful air, sea and land blockade, and an official policy separating Gaza from the West Bank, following Hamas’ takeover of the territory two years later. As a result, the entirety of the West Bank and Gaza Strip remains under Israeli military occupation, with Israel controlling the Palestinian population living there, their natural resources and, with the exception of Gaza’s short southern border with Egypt, their land and sea borders and airspace. (Amnesty International)
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Nobody is innocent there! They’ve proven to the world how “innocent” they are. We not gonna stop till our people get back home! 🇮🇱
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i've been skeptical of both sides. but was leaning more towards the palestinian side as i recall hearing about several young people on the birthright israel state funded trip chose to leave it in favor of supporting local palestinians and seeking the truth of occupied palestine, not israeli propaganda. and definitely not extremist propaganda
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Israel has consistently been reluctant to participate in international investigations, which complicates the verification of their claims
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Out of curiosity, are you familiar with Israel's behavior during the great march or return rallies in 2019? Because of all things that was the one that caused me to lean entirely in the favor of palestinians. If you aren't I really recommend looking up the details. Israel killed 180 people, shot 6,000 more with live ammunition, and injured yet thousands more with less-than-lethal weaponry. Most of the shooting was conducted by snipers intentionally aiming to cripple with things like leg shots. This was at a protest. In Gaza. Literally the IDF sitting on the other side of a wall and shooting men, women and children with live ammunition for getting to close to the border wall. The country that does that has no moral high ground.
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Acquiring land by force is generally considered illegal, as supported by UN Resolution 242
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Forcing whole countries to embrace your religion or be beheaded or enslaved or raped is also Imperialist Genocide. FACT. It’s wiping out entire groups of people (infidels), its displacement (causing refugees), its destruction of cultural artifacts (you know like bombing statutes of Buddha) etc etc etc. It’s downright Laughable for one if not The worst Expansionist Murderous Raping religious supremacists out there to be crying genocide. Look in the damn mirror. Biggest bunch of Imperialist Colonialist Expansionists out there. And it’s laughable how leftists enable and protect such even at the point they deny and neglect their own labor groups being annihilated by these extremists. Never ceases to amaze me how the world’s biggest Imperialist Raping CULT points fingers at others crying foul. Give me a break. Time truth tellers get some courage and stand opposed to these liars. Oh and to clarify I’m not talking about Judaism or Christianity. I’m referring to that other fascist supremacist Cult. Genocide? Every damn country they took over they did so by rampant Genocides of entire Cultures, Peoples etc etc. facts. Period.
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I went the other way. Why have we never seen a story about like this until now, you have to ask yourself? It's been a decades old war ... why now? Israel has been protected .. like in many, many ways. But that protection faltered recently and now you're seeing the impact. Israel has been doing this to Palestinians for the last 50 years .. this and worse. But here in America you never see it. Ask yourself .. is it commensurate response to level 40 story buildings , like 2 or 5 of them, with people in them? Based on a terrorist attack? It's really an interesting question? If someone harms me .. or a loved one, am I allowed to burn down my aggressors house, with his family still in it - in the name of justice?
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Let’s step back a little here. In the mid 1990’s, the Israelis offered Palestinians 90-something percent of Gaza & the West Bank to arrive at two state solution. Arafat refused, digging his heels in a demanded Israel give up its territorial integrity by demanding Israeli citizenship for millions of Palestinians in the so called right of return, which is an obvious non starter. With Palestine unwilling to make steps towards two state, Israel did something rather interesting: it decided to simply unilaterally run a test of two different approaches: giving Palestine total control and their own state (Gaza), and a slow integration into one state (WB). In the two decades that followed, Gaza continued to radicalize and spent its resources building tunnels and shooting rockets at Israel. Israel mostly ignored, opting to blockade and search incoming ships for weapons and surgically strike rocket sites but otherwise hoped that it would fade.
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The Jews are like, okay fine we accept and the Arabs are like no.
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If you're talking about the borders of Israel and the borders of a cancer growing in the body, you would say that cancer has steadily grown."
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Before October 7th, the number of Palestinians behind Israeli bars was 5,200, including 170 children. 1,200 of them are administrative detainees, which means they are held indefinitely, with no trial nor charge (AKA "kidnapping"). Within the past 2 weeks, Israel kidnapped another 1,500 Palestinians and threw them in Israeli jails. We may assume that Hamas took Israelis as prisoners to exchange them for the Palestinian prisoners.
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The narrative pushed by Israel suggests a strategy to undermine and discredit international bodies like UNRWA, especially around significant dates or investigations
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I understand the desire for a state. What I don't understand, even against the backdrop of horrors in Ukraine and Poland, Russia, whatever, is creating a state on the backs of or at the expense of the Palestinian people
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"If we have to have a choice between being dead and pitied, and being alive with a bad image, we'd rather be alive and have the bad image." This quote by Golda Meir sums up how | feel about the situation.
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Israel is not an occupation power with respect to settlements. There is no legal basis for settlements In area C to be called "occupied." Green Line has no legal meaning since it was just where illegal Arab League Invasion was stopped. Invasions cannot be basis for borders. And in Oslo accords, Area C is subject to final determination of borders. So the settlement are, at most, disputed. Not occupied.
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Surrounding Arab states have historically given Israel reasons to acquire more territory through conflict or valid strategic reasons
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neither side can be justified but it is seriously worrying to see people change their opinion this way, you thought palestinian people would play fair after undergoing what they have been through? only thing you need to get right is that most israelis have gone through mandatory military service even women so the civil casualties may not be equivalent. on the other side some palestinians are brutal and barbaric but war have always been like this. i am not telling you to side with hamas or israel but dont be a hypocrit and dont let the media shape your opinion have your own
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It seems like it probably more closely aligns with, you know, normal military conflict rather than a specialized intent to commit genocide
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It's simple, most people who are against this current 'war' are not against it because they 'support terrorism' or are antisemetic. They are against it because they beleive 2% of the population has been killed, 15,000 children have been killed (more than all wars in the last 5 years combined) and Israel is preventing food and water from reaching Gaza. You may not beleive the Gaza Health Ministry numbers, you may believe that the civilian deaths are from human shields, you may think that collateral damage is an unfortunate necessity and that Israel does everything it can to prevent civilian deaths. That's fine but you can't say everyone who doesn't agree with that is anti semetic or a terrorist supporters. I could literally give evidence to justify both arguments and you can't just call everyone who disagrees with you a racist/terrorist. You may think they are wrong but that doesn't mean they are wrong because they are antisemitic.
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The UN and other bodies expressing caution is not the same as saying Israel is committing war crimes, but it points to a concerning direction
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Israel had no recognition from the surrounding Arab states in 48 for its borders, but after she won in '67 all of a sudden everyone's like, well hold on, maybe we do actually like these 47-48 borders
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This is kind of wrong. In Israel and the West Bank, as well as in other countries, there are planning laws that forbid a person to build whatever they want to build. The West Bank is divided into several types of areas: A, B, C. The most important in this regard are the C areas, which are fully under Israeli control, although thousands of Palestinians live there in various villages and towns. Both them and settlers aren't allowed to build whatever they want, without being planned thoroughly before. Both groups do build without permits, however. Not many permits are ever given, which is a problem for people whose families grow. The alleged difference (you can read more about it in various news outlets) is that settlers get permits retroactively even when they weren't allowed to build, whereas some Palestinians get their houses ruined.
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In 1917, the Zionist movement was able to convince the British government to issue the Balfour declaration, to consider Palestine a national home for the Jewish people. This means that the Zionist movement began the colonization of Palestine more than a decade before the rise of Nazism in Germany and its prosecution of European Jews. In any case, the suffering of Jews at the hands of the Germans does not justify their theft of Palestine and the murder and expulsion of the Palestinians. Jewish people, in particular, are expected to empathize with populations that are oppressed and discriminated against. Yet, Israel imposes these conditions on millions under its authority, existing at the expense of an indigenous population, discriminating against those who are not Jewish.
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The issue here isn't religious conflict, the issue here isn't xenophobia. The issue here is that the Arabs are being dispossessed and they're pissed about it
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"iam 100% supporter of israel" So you're supporting the murder of 20k+children and women?
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"Jewish people bought land down there. They started to move down there after purchasing it and they started to work the land and cultivate it and grow it.
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I don't condemn Palestine as much as Israel because Palestine doesn't have any other options. All of the power is in the hands of Israel and Israel consistently escalates tensions.
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Jewish-American here. Really believe in 2-state solution but don't know how to get there. Felt hopeful about Carter-Begin in 78 and also with Oslo. I feel both peoples are indigenous and need to live side by side in peace. Am heartbroken about what is happening. Your words are real and true. P.S. Blockading food and water to Gazan civilians makes me ill. And it's a huge mistake.
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Palestine has been genocidal towards the Jews for literally forever. The state was founded on the idea of Jewish erasure and named Palestina as a reference to the Phillistines who invaded and enslaved the second Jewish commonwealth on the land. This was done to remind the Jews of their place as slaves and lessen their attachment to their homeland. There would literally be no Palestine without the theme of Jewish erasure or the fact that it was the Jewish homeland for many generations before Palestinians even existed. It�s used as wedge to validate the other antisemitic states who call for Jewish genocide�s attacks in Israel. Back in 1977 before the current narrative of infantilized Palestine was a thing the leader of the major ruling political party of Palestine the PLO, of which Fatah is a part, had this to say about what Palestine was. �The Palestinian people do not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan. -Zuheir Mohsen, PLO leader From: �Wij zijn alleen Palestijn om politieke reden,� James Dorsey, Trouw, 31 March 1977 More honest times I suppose. An era when social media could not be used to the advantages it is today. This is why ironically Palestinians were only granted autonomy over their land once Israel was formed. The Ottoman, British, Jordanian and Egyptians never allowed a formal Palestine state. before Hamas existed modern Palestine has been calling for genocide and long before Israel existed they have been murdering Jews.
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the Palestinians live by their values I hate it when westerners say oh they are only saying that because they are poor and living under harsh conditions that is a patronizing view don't patronize the Palestinians truly believe in Jihad and they educate their children this way
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Es-Sumu' Massacre Another incident that contributed to the escalation of tensions was Es-Sumu' Massacre. Es-Sumu', a Palestinian village of 1,200 houses and 5,000 inhabitants near Hebron (Al Khalil City), was under Jordanian control at the time the incident took place.17 Two days before the massacre happened, an Israeli border patrol hit a mine, killing three soldiers and injuring six others. Israel accused Es-Sumu' villagers of helping Palestinian Feda'yeen (Freedom fighters), and in a fierce operation, the village of Es-Sumu' was attacked in the morning of November 13, 1966. The Israelis, equipped with heavy artillery, took unarmed villagers by surprise in broad daylight. "In Operation Zahal headed by Yitzhak Rabin, Israel's largest military operation since 1956, a force of around 3,000-4,000 soldiers backed by tanks and aircraft divided into a reserve force, which remained on the Israeli side of the border, and two raiding parties, which crossed into the West Bank. The larger force of eight Centurion tanks followed by 400 paratroopers mounted in 40 open-topped half-tracks and 60 engineers in 10 more half-tracks headed for Sumu', while a smaller force of 3 tanks and 100 paratroopers and engineers in 10 half-tracks headed towards two smaller villages, Khirbet El-Markas and Khirbet Jimba, on a mission to blow up houses."18 In Es-Sumu', Israeli soldiers completely demolished 125 houses, the village's only medical clinic, a 6-classroom school and a workshop. In addition, one mosque and 28 houses were damaged. 20 Jordanian army trucks, 2 Jordanian army jeeps and one civilian bus, were totally destroyed. One Jordanian army truck had been damaged by machine-gun fire, and in a flour mill, 2 explosive charges were found which had failed to detonate. Furthermore, Israeli troops killed 15 Jordanian soldiers and 3 civilians.19
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"between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty". This is in the opening sentence of the Likud party's (governing party of Israel) original party platform. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/original-party-platform-of-the-likud-party The next paragraph goes on to say there should be no Palestinian state. This is a shitty conflict with blame on both sides. Condemning Hamas terror attacks doesn't prevent criticism of the aggressive settler colonialist policy of the Israeli state. BTW, the original UN plan had both Palestinian and Israeli states with access to both the river and the sea.
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I have supported Israel ever since 9-11 when there were videos of the Palestinians celebrating the attacks. The Palestinians have committed countless terrorist acts in Israel over the years. They lob rockets into israel every day and cry when israel responds. They have bombed busses, pizza parlors, and schools. They murdered Robert F Kennedy, they murdered an entire Israeli Olympic team. They have been offered a peaceful two state solution multiple times and they have refused because their goal is to kill all the Jews and destroy Israel. How anyone in the west has convinced themselves that the Palestinians are the good guys in this conflict is beyond me.
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False. They are forced to live in terrible conditions because Egypt and Jordan herded them into refugee camps in 1948, and the Palestinian Authority and Hamas are corrupt to the core and see it in their best interest to keep the Palestinians poor and passive to rake in billions of dollars of foreign aid which they then keep for themselves instead of using to help their people. See: Arafat's widow's Swiss bank account.
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Ahhhhh, so defending you from terrorist attack is "attacking" and "mocking" civilian population, you people that support this are seriously delusional, tell me why "freedom fighters" are raping women and children? Putting little children into cages like dogs? executing people like animals? Disacrating their bodies? Go to a Psychiatric center.
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if you shoot at me from a school or a hospital or from a gay parade I will shoot back if your moral standards are so low that you intentionally put your own children at risk then their blood is on your hands Israel does more than any other army in the world to warn civilians
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I mean, what did you expect? Decades of oppression, rape, random killings, and what�s basically genocide committed by the Israeli�s on colonized land and you just expect them to take that this entire time??? I hope Palestine wins.
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In 1947 when the UN had their partition recommendation ... General Assembly had no Authority whatsoever to just go around carving up countries ... they made a recommendation and then the Zionist settlers decided to violently enforce that
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There isn't a bloody anti-semitism problem in the Pro-Palestine side. You are intentionally cherry-picking crazies. As much as Israeli media, and people with a financial stake in Israel, want to pretend you're being picked on by mean ol' gentiles and clueless Berkley grads, we're not siding with Palestine because we hate you or have a chubby for Hamas. Anyone looking in from the outside can see you're the bad guy, or at least badder guy, in this situation. The difference is not subtle. You're not Ukraine here, Djent, you're Russia.
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It is the most human thing in the world that you would develop hatred for the people who did that to you ... no group of people anywhere ... would not develop a burning hatred for the foreign military that is policing your streets
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Hamas kill innocent children and civilians, so ofcourse Israelis 100% agree with your mentality and so do the world. The racism and prejudice of Hamas and Alqaeda must be stopped, they conduct terrorist attacks and slaughter the Palestinian people. Hamas use the Palestinians as pawns, human shields and slaves in its terrorist attacks against Jews, Christians and Muslims. I am glad we are on the same page; hate and racism has no part to play in the world, that is why the IDF will continue its fight against Hamas until they no longer exist.
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Ethnic cleansing? Apartheid? Why dont we call it what it really is. Israeli response to terrorist violence. It sounds like if we want to fix this situation we need to forcefully remove Hamas and install a government not hell bent on continuing a conflict they have absolutely no hope of winning. Yea Israel is not perfect. They have made mistakes. But they are doing exactly what any other western nation would do if they had a terrorist neighbor constantly attacking them. What do you thinn US would do id Mexico decided to fire rockets into Texas. You think there would be any less civilian casualties.
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f Israel was indeed trying to maximize casualties for Palestinians why would they give so much warning to try to Evac people from say Northern Gaza before beginning operations there why not just start bombing
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Can Netanyahu stop apartheid? https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/ media_2021/04/israel_palestine0421_web_0.pdf
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most Israelis are like me if innocent Palestinians die we will not be celebrating on the streets and handing out candy on the streets not in Israel and not in any Jewish Community around the worl
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Jews continually lived in Palestine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_and_Judaism_in_the_Land_of_Israel Furthermore, a lot of land was legally purchased by Jews under Ottoman and British laws (foreign powers controlling that region). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_land_purchase_in_Palestine Consequently, by 1948 a lot of Jews were living in Israel under completely legal basis. The 1948 plan tried to allocate land to Jews and Arabs with minimum population transfers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine The all hell broke loose after Arabs rejected the plan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War Which SPECIFIC part of this was "immoral to begin with?"
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I went the other way. Why have we never seen a story about like this until now, you have to ask yourself? It's been a decades old war ... why now? Israel has been protected .. like in many, many ways. But that protection faltered recently and now you're seeing the impact. Israel has been doing this to Palestinians for the last 50 years .. this and worse. But here in America you never see it. Ask yourself .. is it commensurate response to level 40 story buildings, like 2 or 5 of them, with people in them? Based on a terrorist attack? It's really an interesting question? If someone harms me. or a loved one, am I allowed to burn down my aggressors house, with his family still in it - in the name of justice?
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When this thing is all over it's going to result in hundreds of thousands of deaths and displacements it's going to ruin lives for generations and it should stop ... the only question that should matter is do you absolutely have to do this ... could you stop is there any other way As soon as you start asking that question you'll realize that yeah there actually could be a lot of other ways to handle this
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I guess all the clearly documented Palestinians living in the region's are anti Israel fake news huh? Sure is convenient when you can just say that the land that was violently stolen never belonged to anyone else either. Do that same trick with native Americans and the USA next. "Oh the natives had no land until the benevolent US government granted them reservations". That's a pretty insulting take. To the victims for the obvious propaganda and to me for believing I would buy it.
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Ohh silence??? you must be mistaken OP , they are actively supporting this terror attack haven't you come across videos of them cheering! So you know they are not silent, they are proud and encouraging this terror attack to go further 11
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from the seventh century, when the Arab Caliphate colonized the Land of Israel�until 1947, when the Arabs started a war to wipe out the Jews. From the year 636 till 1947, not a single square foot was stolen by the Jews.
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Why would anyone reflexively take the side of the weaker party rather than what they are doing? Hamas hides behind civilians as shields while they indiscriminately launch rockets at Israeli civilians, caring nothing for who they hit and hoping Israel kills Innocents trying to counterstrike so they can get the optics. Hamas will only settle for the extermination of Israel. Relative strength is a terrible metric for who you support.
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Decimated in comments? Hamas is doing the same thing jews did before, when that had no country or armed forces. IDF was crated from three terrorist groups, Irgun, Lehi and Haganah, who struck against British and civilian Arabs.
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Dataset Card Creation Guide

Dataset Summary

The Israeli-Palestinian-Conflict dataset is an English-language dataset contains manually collected claims, regarding the Israel-Palestine conflict, annotated both objectively with multi-labels to categorize the content according to common themes in such arguments, and subjectively by their level of impact on a moderately informed citizen. The primary purpose of this dataset is to support Israeli public relations efforts at all levels.

Languages

The text in the dataset is in English, as spoken by Reddit users on the r/IsraelPalestine and r/ChangeMyView subreddits, and by youtube transcribed from English debates. The associated BCP-47 code is en.

Dataset Structure

Data Instances

A typical data point comprises a unique id (example_id), the type of phase in the annotation process (batch), the origin split from which the data point came (split) a claim about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (text), the annotators annotation vectors for the 1'st task (annotator[i]_t1_label) and the majority vote vector label (t1_label), the annotators annotation on a scale of 1 to 5 for the 2'st task (annotator[i]_t2_label) and the evaluated final label (t2_label),

An example from the Israeli-Palestinian-Conflict dev set looks as follows:

{
  "example_id": 212,
  "batch": "exploration",
  "split": "validation",
  "text": "You're very biased and hypocrites!! Hamas is the byproduct of 80years of occupation and genocide, Israel is responsible for this atrocities don't come here blaming Palestinians and why they support Hamas,bc Hamas is all they have to fight with occupation force, calling them terrorists will not change the truth even Mandela was once called a terrorist by the colonial imperialists! Gtfo",
  "annotator1_t1_label": [0, 1, 1, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0],
  "annotator2_t1_label": [0, 1, 1, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0],
  "annotator3_t1_label": [0, 1, 1, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0],
  "annotator1_t2_label": 2,
  "annotator2_t2_label": 2,
  "annotator3_t2_label": 3,
  "t1_label": [0, 1, 1, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0],
  "t2_label": 2
}

Data Fields

  • "example_id": an int claim's unique identifier without inherent meaning

  • "batch": a string representing the type of phase in the annotation process (detailed later in this card)

  • "split": a string representing the split this claim originally from

  • "text": a string which is the collected claim regarding the Israel-Palestine conflict

  • "t1_label": a list of size 10, representing the majority vote of the annotators annotation binary vector for the 1'st task, where every entrance represent a feature that is present/not present in the claim, respectivly as follows:

    • "Advocacy for Israel" - Statements that express support or positive sentiment towards Israel. These statements advocate for Israel’s actions, policies, or general stance in the conflict
    • "Advocacy for Palestine" - Statements that express support or positive sentiment towards Palestine. These statements advocate for Palestine’s actions, policies, or general stance in the conflict. Notice, this excludes Hamas or any terror organizations affiliated with the palestinians.
    • "Criticism of Israel" - Statements that express opposition or negative sentiment towards Israel. These statements criticize Israel’s actions, policies, government, IDF or any other offical institution
    • "Criticism of Palestine" - Statements that express opposition or negative sentiment towards Palestine. These statements criticize Palestine’s actions, policies, or general stance in the conflict.
    • "Pro-terror organization" - Statements that express support for organizations considered to be terrorist groups. These statements advocate for or justify the actions and policies of these groups.
    • "Anti-terror organization" - Statements that express opposition or negative sentiment towards terror organization . These statements criticize the terror organization actions, policies, or general stance in the conflict..
    • "Backed-Up" - Statements that provide evidence, data, or references to support their claims. These statements may cite sources, statistics, or authoritative opinions to validate their arguments.
    • "Logical Argument" - Statements that present a logical and reasoned case or position on the Israel-Palestine conflict. These statements typically include premises and a conclusion, structured to persuade or convince others of a particular viewpoint. They often address counterarguments and provide rationale for their stance.
    • "Moral argument" - A moral argument is a statement that appeals to ethical principles, values, and beliefs about right and wrong to support a particular stance or viewpoint. These arguments often invoke notions of justice, human rights, fairness, and compassion. They aim to persuade by highlighting the moral implications and ethical considerations of the issue at hand, rather than relying solely on factual evidence or logical reasoning.
    • "Figurative language" - Statements that use figurative language to describe the conflict or parties involved. These statements use metaphors and comparisons and ”perspective changes” to illustrate points vividly.
  • "t2_label": the rate a claim is impactful on a scale from 1 to 5, defined as the extent to which the statement influences, engages, or resonates with a moderately informed citizen (A person with a basic to moderate understanding of current events and historical context, familiar with the general facts of the Israel-Palestine conflict, but without a strong personal or ideological bias). This rating considers factors such as clarity, emotional appeal, relevance, and informativeness, with an emphasis on maintaining objectivity, regardless of personal beliefs or biases. The final annotation for this subjective task is based on Aroyo and Welty, 2015

  • "annotator1_t1_label": a list of size 10, representing the 1st annotator annotation binary vector for the 1'st task

  • "annotator2_t1_label": a list of size 10, representing the 2nd annotator annotation binary vector for the 1'st task

  • "annotator3_t1_label": a list of size 10, representing the 3rd annotator annotation binary vector for the 1'st task

  • "annotator1_t2_label": an int representing the 1st annotator label for the 2'nd task

  • "annotator2_t2_label": an int representing the 2nd annotator label for the 2'nd task

  • "annotator3_t2_label": an int representing the 3rd annotator label for the 2'nd task

Data Splits

train validation/dev test
# Sentences 210 37 150
Average Sentence Length 90.45 97.38 85.55

Dataset Creation

Curation Rationale

The primary purpose of this dataset is to support Israeli public relations efforts at all levels. Specifically, it can aid the Israeli Ministry of Public Diplomacy and organizations dedicated to promoting Israeli advocacy. In light of the events of the past year (2023), we gained insight into the critical importance of Israel’s ability to effectively present public arguments and monitor public opinion. This dataset is valuable for developing models to evaluate the quality of arguments prior to addressing international bodies like the UN, the ICJ, and the US Congress. Additionally, it can be utilized for large scale investigating of social media, helping to strategically focus efforts in shaping public opinion.

Source Data

YouTube-Transcribed Debates: We downloaded transcripts from debates and used ChatGPT to extract participants' short arguments, manually selecting them for inclusion. Reddit: Comments about the Israel-Palestine conflict were manually extracted from the subreddits r/IsraelPalestine and r/ChangeMyView.

Initial Data Collection and Normalization

Our approach during the manual selection of arguments was to include diverse characteristics, such as varying lengths, languages, and structures, while ensuring a balanced representation of both sides of the conflict. None of the arguments in our dataset have been modified.

Who are the source language producers?

The language producers are users of the r/IsraelPalestine and r/ChangeMyView subreddits. No further demographic information was available from the data source.

Annotations

Annotation process

Our annotation process was conducted in several distinct phases, aimed at creating a comprehensive dataset. Below is a detailed overview of our workflow:

Initial Setup and Guidelines

We began by collecting a total of approximately 400 documents, which were divided into three distinct batches:

  • Exploration Batch: 50 documents used for the creation and iterative refinement of the annotation guidelines. Each group member annotated this set independently, and we identified areas of disagreement and refined our categories accordingly. We discussed our disagreements and reached a consensus on the approach for each scenario. These decisions were then codified in our guidelines.
  • Evaluation Batch: 80 documents used to evaluate the inter-annotator agreement (IAA) after creating the first draft of the guidelines. During this phase, group members independently annotated the documents without discussing their annotations to prevent collaboration that could influence the IAA scores.
  • Part 3 Batch: ~270 documents reserved for later annotation by a third-party group. This phase focused on creating guidelines that could be followed by external annotators, ensuring consistency and reliability across annotations.

Once the guidelines were finalized, two annotators revisited and independently annotated the entire Exploration Batch. Although this batch had previously been used for guideline development, it was fully annotated to ensure a complete dataset for training and evaluation.

Peer Feedback and Guideline Improvement

In this phase, we received feedback on our guidelines from a third-party team:

  • The third-party team annotated a sample of 50 documents from the Part 3 - Exploration Batch using our guidelines. They provided feedback on areas where the guidelines could be improved.
  • We incorporated their feedback to address ambiguities and ensure the clarity of our instructions.
  • Finally, the third-party team annotated a larger sample of ~270 documents (Part 3 - Evaluation Batch) using the refined guidelines. This helped further validate the robustness of the guidelines.

Inter-Annotator Agreement (IAA)

To evaluate the reliability of the annotations, we calculated IAA scores across the different phases and groups involved. The following table summarizes the scores:

Group Phase # Label1 Label2 Label3 Label4 Label5 Label6 Label7 Label8 Label9 Label10 MAE Corr
Creators Explor 50 0.69 0.67 0.71 0.66 NAN 0.04 NAN 0.28 0.21 0.50
Creators Eval 80 0.64 0.53 0.76 0.66 NAN 0.72 0.29 0.30 0.40 0.47 1.024 0.264
Peer Explor 100 0.84 0.51 0.78 0.60 NAN 0.70 0.66 0.58 0.57 0.31
Peer Eval 167 0.62 0.64 0.70 0.67 NAN 0.66 0.72 0.65 0.71 0.74 0.740 0.698
  • For the first task the Fleiss' Kappa metric was used to evaluate the multi-label agreement between annotators for each label (Label1 through Label10) in the objective task. The higher Kappa values indicate a stronger agreement, with the peer group achieving a higher overall Kappa score in the Exploration Batch.

  • For the subjective task, we calculated the Mean Absolute Error (MAE) and Pearson Correlation (Corr) between the annotators’ judgments, with the peer group achieving a better overall MAE and Correlation.

Who are the annotators?

The dataset was annotated by two groups, all humans. The creators group, consisting of 2 women and 2 men. The peer group, consisting of 2 women and a man. All annotators were aged 22-28 and were Israeli-Jewish. There was no compensation provided.

Personal and Sensitive Information

This data contains religious beliefs and political opinions but is completely anonymize.

Considerations for Using the Data

Social Impact of Dataset

The use of this dataset has the potential to foster greater understanding of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict by providing data that can be used for research and technologies like sentiment analysis or claim validation tools, which may inform public discourse. These technologies can also aid in reducing misinformation and helping individuals engage more critically with content related to this imporatant conflict. However, there is a risk that automated systems built using this dataset might reinforce biases present in the data, potentially leading to one-sided analyses. Additionally, the complexity of the conflict means that decisions informed by these technologies might lack the nuance required for sensitive issues, impacting world outcomes in ways that are not easily understood by the affected populations, like classifying ones claim as pro-terror and the possible outcomes.

Discussion of Biases

The significant bias we created during the annotation process stems from approaching the Israeli-Palestinian conflict from an Israeli-Jewish perspective. We attempted to minimize this bias by designing the first task to be as objective as possible. This included creating balanced categories and naming them neutrally, while carefully explaining the meaning of each category in the guidelines in an impartial way. For the second task, we framed the instructions to ask annotators to assess the claims from the viewpoint of a "moderately informed citizen," defined as someone familiar with the general facts of the conflict but without strong personal or ideological bias. Despite our efforts, we acknowledge that the dataset inevitably contains some bias, but we believe its creation is crucial given the importance and relevance of the topic.

Other Known Limitations

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Additional Information

Dataset Curators

Affiliation: Data Science students @ Technion, we got no funding.

Licensing Information

[N/A] Provide the license and link to the license webpage if available.

Citation Information

@article{article_id,
  author    = {Avishag Nevo, Bella Perel, Hadar Sugarman, Tomer Shigani},
  title     = {The Israeli-Palestinian Conflict Dataset},
  year      = {2024}
}

Contributions

Thanks to Prof. Roi Reichart and Mr. Nitay Calderon for guiding us in this dataset process.

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