<p>Okay I have done some research.</p>

<p>Possibly, abundance could be available soon along these lines:</p>

<ul>
<li><p><strong>organic food</strong> - abundance of <a href="https://www.wired.com/story/my-two-week-edible-insect-feast/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">edible insects</a> and <a href="https://www.wired.com/story/my-two-week-edible-insect-feast/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">clean meat from meat breweries</a></p></li>
<li><p><strong>housing</strong> - abundant through <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/08/japan-rural-decline/537375/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">abandoned rural areas</a> and <a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-44709534" rel="nofollow noreferrer">3D printed homes</a>, water and good air possible available there as well</p></li>
<li><p><strong>education</strong> - given you are okay with self-education Internet provides enough free/cheap learning resources</p></li>
</ul>

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<p>How much are concepts of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-scarcity_economy" rel="nofollow noreferrer">post-scarcity and abundance economics</a> just ideological/idealist or do we really observing their beginnings already?</p>

<p>For example:</p>

<ul>
<li><strong>healthcare</strong>: gets more and more expensive</li>
<li><strong>food</strong>: good organic food does not get cheaper</li>
<li><strong>water</strong>: not a problem where it is really abundant since centuries. Some lakes are gone however for example to water an agglomeration like Los Angeles.</li>
<li><strong>good air</strong>: not abundant in large urban areas, air pollution has arrived even in Germany, a country which has been looking at this for long time</li>
<li><strong>work</strong>: try to get a well paid job without advanced qualification</li>
<li><strong>housing</strong>: everywhere scarce with exception of deep, partly abandoned rural areas (3D printing can be a solution, but i.e. in Germany not possible due to unmet requirements regarding energy efficiency standards)</li>
<li><strong>education</strong>: either not free or of declining quality (i.e. German schools would need <a href="https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Immer-groessere-Milliardenluecke-bei-Investitionen-in-Schulen-4137300.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">billions of investment</a> to catch up)</li>
<li><strong>family/parenting</strong>: women are allowed and expected to make career which creates additional pressure if they target both having kids and high life quality</li>
</ul>

<p>How to recognise then an empirical evidence that we move to abundance and post-scarcity (sounds like promise of communists in old times actually)?</p>

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Housing is not "everywhere scarce". Look ar [rural Japan](https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/08/japan-rural-decline/537375/) or rural Spain etc. It's only scarce where people are agglomerating, which is cities.
fantastic peace and prosperity
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You mean land maybe? @Fizz
J. Doe
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No, I mean housing. Rural Japan is depopulating. The same thing is happening in Eastern Europe, and to a lesser extent in Spain.
fantastic peace and prosperity
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@Fizz well okay an abandoned house middle-in-nowhere is sure a place to live and try to become a self-sustained farmer because there are no other jobs; but then we have to define what means actually inequality.
J. Doe
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I'm not terribly familiar with post-scarcity arguments, but what you said in your last comment probably summarizes the issue: decreases in absolute poverty etc. are coupled with increases in inequality etc. so it depends how one wants to look at the problem.
fantastic peace and prosperity
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This question would benefit from an edit that would make the wording of the question clearer and the actual question more focused.
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Empiric evidence of abundance and post-scarcity either transition to it?
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# Empiric evidence of abundance and post-scarcity either transition to it?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2018-08-16)

How much are concepts of [post-scarcity and abundance economics](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-scarcity_economy) just ideological/idealist or do we really observing their beginnings already?

For example:

* **healthcare**: gets more and more expensive
* **food**: good organic food does not get cheaper
* **water**: not a problem where it is really abundant since centuries. Some lakes are gone however for example to water an agglomeration like Los Angeles.
* **good air**: not abundant in large urban areas, air pollution has arrived even in Germany, a country which has been looking at this for long time
* **work**: try to get a well paid job without advanced qualification
* **housing**: everywhere scarce with exception of deep, partly abandoned rural areas (3D printing can be a solution, but i.e. in Germany not possible due to unmet requirements regarding energy efficiency standards)
* **education**: either not free or of declining quality (i.e. German schools would need [billions of investment](https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Immer-groessere-Milliardenluecke-bei-Investitionen-in-Schulen-4137300.html) to catch up)
* **family/parenting**: women are allowed and expected to make career which creates additional pressure if they target both having kids and high life quality

How to recognise then an empirical evidence that we move to abundance and post-scarcity (sounds like promise of communists in old times actually)?

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> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Housing is not "everywhere scarce". Look ar [rural Japan](https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/08/japan-rural-decline/537375/) or rural Spain etc. It's only scarce where people are agglomerating, which is cities.  
> **username_0**: You mean land maybe? @Fizz  
> **username_1**: No, I mean housing. Rural Japan is depopulating. The same thing is happening in Eastern Europe, and to a lesser extent in Spain.  
> **username_0**: @Fizz well okay an abandoned house middle-in-nowhere is sure a place to live and try to become a self-sustained farmer because there are no other jobs; but then we have to define what means actually inequality.  
> **username_1**: I'm not terribly familiar with post-scarcity arguments, but what you said in your last comment probably summarizes the issue: decreases in absolute poverty etc. are coupled with increases in inequality etc. so it depends how one wants to look at the problem.  
> **username_2**: This question would benefit from an edit that would make the wording of the question clearer and the actual question more focused.  

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_0 on 2018-08-23. Score: 0 | Accepted answer

Okay I have done some research.

Possibly, abundance could be available soon along these lines:

* **organic food** - abundance of [edible insects](https://www.wired.com/story/my-two-week-edible-insect-feast/) and [clean meat from meat breweries](https://www.wired.com/story/my-two-week-edible-insect-feast/)
* **housing** - abundant through [abandoned rural areas](https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/08/japan-rural-decline/537375/) and [3D printed homes](https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-44709534), water and good air possible available there as well
* **education** - given you are okay with self-education Internet provides enough free/cheap learning resources


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