<p>Phillips himself claims writing about Moniac like machines in 1950: &quot;The accuracy obtained depends on the precision with which the machines are constructed, but there is no difficulty keeping it within about <span class="math-container">$\pm$</span> 4%&quot; (p.284)</p>
<p>The article also points out that at the time of writing he was still building the MONIAC at LSE, but had already constructed one in Leeds. I suppose the LSE version turned out to be accurate upto 2%, and hence the conflicting informaton.</p>
<p>Economica, New Series, Vol. 17, No. 67. (Aug., 1950), pp. 283-305. <a href="http://www.econ.puc-rio.br/mgarcia/Modelos%20mecanicos%20em%20economia.pdf" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Here's a link</a></p>
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<p>Two unrelated fun-facts:
The MONIAC features in Terry Pratchett's Discworld novel: Making Money. As always in Pratchett's novels there are a lot of references to roundworld reality: introduction of paper money, outsourcing, inflation due to money dilution and many others</p>
<p>The Dutch have an expression &quot;To have money like water&quot; which in the Dutch context obviously means to have lots of money. The MONIAC is one of the few cases where it can be interpreted literally.</p>

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thanks for the answer and also the fun facts. By any chance do you know also if the 2% was ever reported or is that just conjecture? I think it might be reasonable to say that the LSE MONIAC turned out to be more accurate but still I am mistrustful of unsourced material at wikipedia
1muflon1
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No it's just a conjecture. I haven't found a source for the two percent.
Maarten Punt
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@1muflon1: So just to share something. I am a chemical engineer and have worked in Industry where the job was to model various flows in plants. When I later quit from engineering and started studying economics I always found myself explaining [the classical dichotomy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_dichotomy) to myself by imagining money like utility (water or heating oil or vapor) and reactors as the 'real' economy. I am so glad to see this post and get a reassurance that I was not (so) mad after all.
Dayne
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@Dayne I know what you mean I used to study physics before economics I also often equate circular flow with flow of liquid or gas. Fun fact thanks to MONIAC for a while there even existed term ‘hydraulic Keynesianism’ which was seriously used even in literature... how wild is that? :) in fact there even existed hydraulic macro for a bit most people know MONIAC but did you know Irving Fisher had his own hydraulic computer to compute equilibrium prices?  I can only marvel at the ingenuity and resourcefulness of past economists...
1muflon1
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Wow! I think I will share these details with some of friends who are in engineering. They'd love it and perhaps some may use their engineering knowledge to model macro :P
Dayne
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@Dayne there actually even is a subfield of Econophysics. In fact Tinbergen used his knowledge of physics to come up with the gravity model of trade (an example of Econophysics). Although one has to be careful not to take analogies and similarities too far.
1muflon1
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@1muflon1 definitely! I mean what if some physicist takes motivation from relativity and gives a very weird new theory :P
Dayne
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Maarten Punt
<p>One of the most interesting  economic 'artefacts' featured on the campus of my alma mater is the Philips' machine or Monetary National Income Analogue Computer (MONIAC) pictured below.</p>
<p>MONIAC was a hydraulic computer, with a rudimentary macroeconomic model, build by none other than William Philipps as a part of his dissertation. MONIAC could be used to visualize and even predict several macroeconomic variables depending on its calibration (such as interest rates or prices resp. inflation).   The machine was originally intended just for classroom use <a href="https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/4064850?casa_token=fMRP0GkgsFwAAAAA:zCteek7BAmlxZJIUSEpiolzbO9L4Ev_4QfCILcpnaQB_vMt1Vp4KgdbgQpxOqONch3DvpCvWBH8cLw" rel="nofollow noreferrer">(Bissell, 2007)</a>, but eventually several research/policy institutes around the world decided to commission the machine as well (for example New Zealand Institute of Economic Research <a href="https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/moniac-machine" rel="nofollow noreferrer">bought one</a>). This makes me wonder if the machine was ever accurate enough to be useful outside classroom (e.g. research/policy analysis/forecasting). Since it is based on rudimentary macroeconomic model I would expect relatively large forecasting errors.</p>
<p>I tried to do research on the MONIAC's accuracy but I am finding conflicting reports. According to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MONIAC#Current_locations" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Wikipedia</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>To their surprise, Phillips and his associate Walter Newlyn found that MONIAC could be calibrated to an accuracy of 2%.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>but no reference to the work where Phillips and Newlyn made the claim is provided.</p>
<p>I dug bit deeper and managed to find paper <a href="https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/4064850?casa_token=fMRP0GkgsFwAAAAA:zCteek7BAmlxZJIUSEpiolzbO9L4Ev_4QfCILcpnaQB_vMt1Vp4KgdbgQpxOqONch3DvpCvWBH8cLw" rel="nofollow noreferrer">(Bissell, 2007)</a> that claims the MONIAC's accuracy was reportedly only <span class="math-container">$\pm 4\%$</span> but again the claim is not directly supported by citation. In the next paragraph the paper cites <a href="https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-8586.1950.tb00370.x" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Newlyn (1950)</a> so I thought it might have the answer (since Wikipedia mentions Newlyn as well) but it turned out it does not mention any number for the accuracy of the machine.</p>
<p>This leads me to my question, is there any primary source in the economic literature for the accuracy of the MONIAC? If so what level of accuracy does it report?</p>
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What Was the Accuracy of Macro Model in the Phillips' Machine (MONIAC)?
1muflon1
# What Was the Accuracy of Macro Model in the Phillips' Machine (MONIAC)?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2020-12-02)

One of the most interesting economic 'artefacts' featured on the campus of my alma mater is the Philips' machine or Monetary National Income Analogue Computer (MONIAC) pictured below.

MONIAC was a hydraulic computer, with a rudimentary macroeconomic model, build by none other than William Philipps as a part of his dissertation. MONIAC could be used to visualize and even predict several macroeconomic variables depending on its calibration (such as interest rates or prices resp. inflation). The machine was originally intended just for classroom use [(Bissell, 2007)](https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/4064850?casa_token=fMRP0GkgsFwAAAAA:zCteek7BAmlxZJIUSEpiolzbO9L4Ev_4QfCILcpnaQB_vMt1Vp4KgdbgQpxOqONch3DvpCvWBH8cLw), but eventually several research/policy institutes around the world decided to commission the machine as well (for example New Zealand Institute of Economic Research [bought one](https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/moniac-machine)). This makes me wonder if the machine was ever accurate enough to be useful outside classroom (e.g. research/policy analysis/forecasting). Since it is based on rudimentary macroeconomic model I would expect relatively large forecasting errors.

I tried to do research on the MONIAC's accuracy but I am finding conflicting reports. According to [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MONIAC#Current_locations):

> To their surprise, Phillips and his associate Walter Newlyn found that MONIAC could be calibrated to an accuracy of 2%.

but no reference to the work where Phillips and Newlyn made the claim is provided.

I dug bit deeper and managed to find paper [(Bissell, 2007)](https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/4064850?casa_token=fMRP0GkgsFwAAAAA:zCteek7BAmlxZJIUSEpiolzbO9L4Ev_4QfCILcpnaQB_vMt1Vp4KgdbgQpxOqONch3DvpCvWBH8cLw) that claims the MONIAC's accuracy was reportedly only $\pm 4\%$ but again the claim is not directly supported by citation. In the next paragraph the paper cites [Newlyn (1950)](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-8586.1950.tb00370.x) so I thought it might have the answer (since Wikipedia mentions Newlyn as well) but it turned out it does not mention any number for the accuracy of the machine.

This leads me to my question, is there any primary source in the economic literature for the accuracy of the MONIAC? If so what level of accuracy does it report?

[![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/IaJUsm.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/IaJUsm.png)

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2020-12-03. Score: 4 | Accepted answer

Phillips himself claims writing about Moniac like machines in 1950: "The accuracy obtained depends on the precision with which the machines are constructed, but there is no difficulty keeping it within about $\pm$ 4%" (p.284)

The article also points out that at the time of writing he was still building the MONIAC at LSE, but had already constructed one in Leeds. I suppose the LSE version turned out to be accurate upto 2%, and hence the conflicting informaton.

Economica, New Series, Vol. 17, No. 67. (Aug., 1950), pp. 283-305. [Here's a link](http://www.econ.puc-rio.br/mgarcia/Modelos%20mecanicos%20em%20economia.pdf)

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Two unrelated fun-facts:
The MONIAC features in Terry Pratchett's Discworld novel: Making Money. As always in Pratchett's novels there are a lot of references to roundworld reality: introduction of paper money, outsourcing, inflation due to money dilution and many others

The Dutch have an expression "To have money like water" which in the Dutch context obviously means to have lots of money. The MONIAC is one of the few cases where it can be interpreted literally.

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: thanks for the answer and also the fun facts. By any chance do you know also if the 2% was ever reported or is that just conjecture? I think it might be reasonable to say that the LSE MONIAC turned out to be more accurate but still I am mistrustful of unsourced material at wikipedia  
> **username_1**: No it's just a conjecture. I haven't found a source for the two percent.  
> **username_2**: @username_0: So just to share something. I am a chemical engineer and have worked in Industry where the job was to model various flows in plants. When I later quit from engineering and started studying economics I always found myself explaining [the classical dichotomy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_dichotomy) to myself by imagining money like utility (water or heating oil or vapor) and reactors as the 'real' economy. I am so glad to see this post and get a reassurance that I was not (so) mad after all.  
> **username_0**: @username_2 I know what you mean I used to study physics before economics I also often equate circular flow with flow of liquid or gas. Fun fact thanks to MONIAC for a while there even existed term ‘hydraulic Keynesianism’ which was seriously used even in literature... how wild is that? :) in fact there even existed hydraulic macro for a bit most people know MONIAC but did you know Irving Fisher had his own hydraulic computer to compute equilibrium prices?  I can only marvel at the ingenuity and resourcefulness of past economists...  
> **username_2**: Wow! I think I will share these details with some of friends who are in engineering. They'd love it and perhaps some may use their engineering knowledge to model macro :P  
> **username_0**: @username_2 there actually even is a subfield of Econophysics. In fact Tinbergen used his knowledge of physics to come up with the gravity model of trade (an example of Econophysics). Although one has to be careful not to take analogies and similarities too far.  
> **username_2**: @username_0 definitely! I mean what if some physicist takes motivation from relativity and gives a very weird new theory :P  

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