<p>You need the last part because you want the present value. If you were to only use the 16 you‘d get to 4 years in the future, or you‘d be calculating the PV for 4 year operating cost of 2000 and concurrent 16 year cost of 2700. without the last part you‘d basically have two operating costs (one of 2000 and one of 2700) for the next four years and then 1  operating cost of 2700 for the next twelve years.</p>

<p>This is the way you can think of the cost in more granular terms</p>

<p>Purchasing cost: $15k$ no discount because purchased today.</p>

<p>1st four years overhead:
$
\sum^4_t{2'000\over(1+r)^t}
$ </p>

<p>2nd 16 years of overhead: $ {\sum^{16}_t{2'000\over(1+r)^t}}\over(1+r)^4 $ </p>

<p>The first part gives you the PV of the 16 periods, but because this would only start 4 years in the future you'd need to take the PV of the PV in a way.</p>

<p>The total of the cash flow is then the following:
$15'000 + \sum^4_t{2'000\over(1+r)^t} +{{\sum^{16}_t{2'000\over(1+r)^t}}\over(1+r)^4}$</p>

<p>Alternatively you could write
$15'000 + \sum^4_t{2'000\over(1+r)^t} +{{\sum^{20}_{t=4}{2'000\over(1+r)^t}}}$</p>

<p>Hope this helps.</p>

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I dont quite understand the way you have explained it. First 2k/year for first 4 years and 2.7k/year after 4 years. So 2.7k/year is the future cost that we want to convert into present value. Its only 16 years remainding since the first 4 years are already accounted for at 2k/year. No?
Ace8888
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The 4 years are already accounted for only in the sense that the cost is already calculated. The 16 periods you have left go until 20 periods into the future though. And the PV tries to take the point in time into account at which the cash flow happens.
JotHa
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Let me try to understand this. The first 2k/year for 4 years was account for because it was starting from today. However, the second part of 16 periods AFTER the 4 years. When we did the conversion of 16 periods, T = 0 but acutally T=4 so we need to take that into account. Please correct me if my thinking is wrong.
Ace8888
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That's correct. The t=0 you bring the second part back to is actually t=4 and you have to take that into account.
JotHa
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You're welcome! Go ahead and accept the answer if you'd like. Would do me a great favor.
JotHa
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JotHa
<p>For my exmaple, we have machine A with an initial cost of 15K and O&amp;M of 2k per year for the next 4 years. After 4 years, the O&amp;M rise to $2.7k per year. No salvage value and life span of 20 years. 10% interest. What's the present worth of machine A?</p>

<p>It is easier for me to understand the problem by first stating that all cost out of pocket is negative. Since we do not have any salvage value in this problem, it will all be negative.</p>

<p>Here are my thoughts:</p>

<p>The cost of purchase the machine is out of pocket. 2k per year of O&amp;M for first 4 year, at an uniform rate which is annual. 2.7k after the 4 years. </p>

<p>My equation came out to : </p>

<p>Present (A) = -15k - 2k (P/A, 10%, 4) - 2.7k (P/A, 10%, 16)</p>

<p>However at the solution, they added one more variable that I do not understand why.</p>

<p>Present (A) = 15k + 2k (P/A, 10%, 4) + 2.7k (P/A, 10%, 16) * (P/F,10%,4)</p>

<p>Please explain to me why do we need the last part (P/F,10%,4)? to get the present value of machine A. </p>

<p>thanks</p>

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Welcome to the site.  Could you edit your question please to explain your abbreviations (O&M; P/A; P/F) which may not be familiar to everyone.
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# Present Value Analysis

(Asked by: username_0 on 2018-04-27)

For my exmaple, we have machine A with an initial cost of 15K and O&M of 2k per year for the next 4 years. After 4 years, the O&M rise to $2.7k per year. No salvage value and life span of 20 years. 10% interest. What's the present worth of machine A?

It is easier for me to understand the problem by first stating that all cost out of pocket is negative. Since we do not have any salvage value in this problem, it will all be negative.

Here are my thoughts:

The cost of purchase the machine is out of pocket. 2k per year of O&M for first 4 year, at an uniform rate which is annual. 2.7k after the 4 years.

My equation came out to :

Present (A) = -15k - 2k (P/A, 10%, 4) - 2.7k (P/A, 10%, 16)

However at the solution, they added one more variable that I do not understand why.

Present (A) = 15k + 2k (P/A, 10%, 4) + 2.7k (P/A, 10%, 16) \* (P/F,10%,4)

Please explain to me why do we need the last part (P/F,10%,4)? to get the present value of machine A.

thanks

**Tags:** macroeconomics, finance, corporate-finance

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Welcome to the site.  Could you edit your question please to explain your abbreviations (O&M; P/A; P/F) which may not be familiar to everyone.  

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_2 on 2018-04-27. Score: 1

You need the last part because you want the present value. If you were to only use the 16 you‘d get to 4 years in the future, or you‘d be calculating the PV for 4 year operating cost of 2000 and concurrent 16 year cost of 2700. without the last part you‘d basically have two operating costs (one of 2000 and one of 2700) for the next four years and then 1 operating cost of 2700 for the next twelve years.

This is the way you can think of the cost in more granular terms

Purchasing cost: $15k$ no discount because purchased today.

1st four years overhead:
$
\sum^4\_t{2'000\over(1+r)^t}
$

2nd 16 years of overhead: $ {\sum^{16}\_t{2'000\over(1+r)^t}}\over(1+r)^4 $

The first part gives you the PV of the 16 periods, but because this would only start 4 years in the future you'd need to take the PV of the PV in a way.

The total of the cash flow is then the following:
$15'000 + \sum^4\_t{2'000\over(1+r)^t} +{{\sum^{16}\_t{2'000\over(1+r)^t}}\over(1+r)^4}$

Alternatively you could write
$15'000 + \sum^4\_t{2'000\over(1+r)^t} +{{\sum^{20}\_{t=4}{2'000\over(1+r)^t}}}$

Hope this helps.

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: I dont quite understand the way you have explained it. First 2k/year for first 4 years and 2.7k/year after 4 years. So 2.7k/year is the future cost that we want to convert into present value. Its only 16 years remainding since the first 4 years are already accounted for at 2k/year. No?  
> **username_2**: The 4 years are already accounted for only in the sense that the cost is already calculated. The 16 periods you have left go until 20 periods into the future though. And the PV tries to take the point in time into account at which the cash flow happens.  
> **username_0**: Let me try to understand this. The first 2k/year for 4 years was account for because it was starting from today. However, the second part of 16 periods AFTER the 4 years. When we did the conversion of 16 periods, T = 0 but acutally T=4 so we need to take that into account. Please correct me if my thinking is wrong.  
> **username_2**: That's correct. The t=0 you bring the second part back to is actually t=4 and you have to take that into account.  
> **username_2**: You're welcome! Go ahead and accept the answer if you'd like. Would do me a great favor.  

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