<p>As you point out, paid fees result from two phenomena:</p>

<ul>
<li>Full nodes on the network enforce a minimum feerate for relay, which in recent history has been 1 satoshi per byte.</li>
<li>Miners sort unconfirmed transactions by fee per byte, and include the highest ones first in blocks (whose size is limited to 1000000), as this maximizes their income. This results in a fee market where transactions pay according to supply and demand for space in blocks.</li>
</ul>

<p>This means that while 1 sat/byte is the minimum to be relayed, it's not enough to actually get into a block, and as a result this minimum has become mostly irrelevant.</p>

<p>SegWit did not change these processes. There is still a minimum feerate of 1 satoshi per byte, and there is still a fee market.</p>

<p>What did change is the definition of size of a transaction. In SegWit, a significant portion of the transaction data is moved to the "witness", whose size only counts at a rate of 0.25. So for example a 200-byte non-SegWit transaction would be counted for the full 200 bytes, and 5000 of them would fit in a 1M block. If this were an equivalent SegWit transaction, maybe 120 out of those 200 bytes would be in the witness, resulting in an effective size of 80 + 120*0.25 = 110. Now 9090 such transactions fit in a block. The result of this new rule is that the optimal selection policy for miners also means looking at fee per byte, where bytes refer to this modified definition that discounts witnesses.</p>

<p>TL;DR: SegWit makes transactions cheaper by discounting portions of the data.</p>

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2017-12-16T18:51:11.920Z
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Pieter Wuille
<p>In general, this depends on demand and offer. As expected, most miners will try to include transactions with the highest fees, so if your fee is significantly smaller than most of the others, chances are your transaction will never be confirmed. The specific price varies according to this rule, and it has no minimum requirements. </p>

<p>If you are trying to look for information in order to pick the lowest tx fee that fits your average confirmation time requirement, take a look at <a href="https://bitcoinfees.earn.com/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">this website</a>. </p>

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ranchalp
<p>If I understand this correctly, at the beginning, the minimum fee was 0, than it was .0001. Now, I can see that you can enter some really small amounts as fee for the transaction, however, with current congestion, I'll have to wait forever to find out if a transaction with 1 satoshi fee will be actually included into the blockchain.</p>

<p>Can anyone clarify.</p>

<p>Is it true that SegWit has significantly decreased the minimum fee that must be paid for the transaction to be included by miners in the block?</p>

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Arsen Zahray
# What changes did segwit do to minimum transaction fee?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2017-12-16)

If I understand this correctly, at the beginning, the minimum fee was 0, than it was .0001. Now, I can see that you can enter some really small amounts as fee for the transaction, however, with current congestion, I'll have to wait forever to find out if a transaction with 1 satoshi fee will be actually included into the blockchain.

Can anyone clarify.

Is it true that SegWit has significantly decreased the minimum fee that must be paid for the transaction to be included by miners in the block?

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## 2 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2017-12-16. Score: 4

As you point out, paid fees result from two phenomena:

* Full nodes on the network enforce a minimum feerate for relay, which in recent history has been 1 satoshi per byte.
* Miners sort unconfirmed transactions by fee per byte, and include the highest ones first in blocks (whose size is limited to 1000000), as this maximizes their income. This results in a fee market where transactions pay according to supply and demand for space in blocks.

This means that while 1 sat/byte is the minimum to be relayed, it's not enough to actually get into a block, and as a result this minimum has become mostly irrelevant.

SegWit did not change these processes. There is still a minimum feerate of 1 satoshi per byte, and there is still a fee market.

What did change is the definition of size of a transaction. In SegWit, a significant portion of the transaction data is moved to the "witness", whose size only counts at a rate of 0.25. So for example a 200-byte non-SegWit transaction would be counted for the full 200 bytes, and 5000 of them would fit in a 1M block. If this were an equivalent SegWit transaction, maybe 120 out of those 200 bytes would be in the witness, resulting in an effective size of 80 + 120\*0.25 = 110. Now 9090 such transactions fit in a block. The result of this new rule is that the optimal selection policy for miners also means looking at fee per byte, where bytes refer to this modified definition that discounts witnesses.

TL;DR: SegWit makes transactions cheaper by discounting portions of the data.


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### Answer by username_2 on 2017-12-16. Score: -1

In general, this depends on demand and offer. As expected, most miners will try to include transactions with the highest fees, so if your fee is significantly smaller than most of the others, chances are your transaction will never be confirmed. The specific price varies according to this rule, and it has no minimum requirements.

If you are trying to look for information in order to pick the lowest tx fee that fits your average confirmation time requirement, take a look at [this website](https://bitcoinfees.earn.com/).


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