<p>If you want to hold bitcoins anonymously then the only thing you can easily do is a cash transaction.  In the good old days you could just have mined some, but that's not an option available to most people today.</p>

<p>To answer the specific question, the exchange will have records of the receiving and sending transactions, so if you consider them to be compromised then there is no additional security available in using an exchange regardless of if you are moving currency within a blockchain or  between blockchains.</p>

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<p>Question: is it possible to further obfuscate ownership/origin of bitcoins by trading it for another cryptocurrency at an exchange? (as it is easier to do this for large amounts than it is with cash)</p>

<p>Lets start with 10000 bitcoins. The point here is to make the size a large and conspicuous one.</p>

<p>You have 10000 bitcoin that you would like to obfuscate the origin of. Right now those 10000 bitcoins are at an address you control. The object here is to move around that value between addresses.</p>

<p>Just sending them to another address would have a record of all the addresses they were sent to.</p>

<p>Sending them to an exchange and back would still have the record as well as the exchange's records.</p>

<p>Even breaking it up into smaller transactions just makes it more tedious to follow the pieces but it is all still easily browsable using existing services.</p>

<p>But what if they were traded for another cryptocurrency at an exchange?</p>

<p>This gives you the initial transfer to the exchange, everyone and the exchange can see that. But then they are exchanged, probably nominally, on the exchange for a different crpytocurrency. A completely different blockchain. For someone doing an analysis on the trail of these coins, how would they be able to account for switching blockchains? Would it even be possible at all?</p>

<p>Going to a different blockchain, and even then going back to the bitcoin blockchain at a different address seems like an impossible thing to follow.</p>

<p>Is there a way to follow coins exchanged between blockchains? Is there a way to know that the owner of the 10,000 bitcoins exchanged them? since on the bitcoin blockchain, it will all have happened on the exchange and the coins will simply look like they have been broken up between addresses, but you wouldn't know that the original owner is no longer holding those coins at all.</p>

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Sorry but there's no difference between your examples of an exchange giving you different bitcoins on the same blockchain, and an exchange giving you different currency on a different blockchain, they're both equally as traceable.
jgm
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okay @jgm so why was this question downvoted?
CQM
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2013-04-13T16:51:15.323Z
Possibly because the actual question was buried way down in the text, and/or this is a specific question that isn't likely to be useful to others long-term.
jgm
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I think there is a valid question in here. One of the possible means of discovering ownership of bitcoins is by blockchain analysis. The question here is asking if moving bitcoins into another alt-coin and then back to bitcoins does this prevent the "follow-the-coins" type blockchain analysis. My guess is that it would make tracking the ownership of the coins harder but I don't know enough about the various alt-coins and exchanges to know if it's possible to move in and out of the alt-coins and be sure of anonymity.
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# following coins between blockchains

(Asked by: username_0 on 2013-04-13)

Question: is it possible to further obfuscate ownership/origin of bitcoins by trading it for another cryptocurrency at an exchange? (as it is easier to do this for large amounts than it is with cash)

Lets start with 10000 bitcoins. The point here is to make the size a large and conspicuous one.

You have 10000 bitcoin that you would like to obfuscate the origin of. Right now those 10000 bitcoins are at an address you control. The object here is to move around that value between addresses.

Just sending them to another address would have a record of all the addresses they were sent to.

Sending them to an exchange and back would still have the record as well as the exchange's records.

Even breaking it up into smaller transactions just makes it more tedious to follow the pieces but it is all still easily browsable using existing services.

But what if they were traded for another cryptocurrency at an exchange?

This gives you the initial transfer to the exchange, everyone and the exchange can see that. But then they are exchanged, probably nominally, on the exchange for a different crpytocurrency. A completely different blockchain. For someone doing an analysis on the trail of these coins, how would they be able to account for switching blockchains? Would it even be possible at all?

Going to a different blockchain, and even then going back to the bitcoin blockchain at a different address seems like an impossible thing to follow.

Is there a way to follow coins exchanged between blockchains? Is there a way to know that the owner of the 10,000 bitcoins exchanged them? since on the bitcoin blockchain, it will all have happened on the exchange and the coins will simply look like they have been broken up between addresses, but you wouldn't know that the original owner is no longer holding those coins at all.

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> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Sorry but there's no difference between your examples of an exchange giving you different bitcoins on the same blockchain, and an exchange giving you different currency on a different blockchain, they're both equally as traceable.  
> **username_0**: okay @username_1 so why was this question downvoted?  
> **username_1**: Possibly because the actual question was buried way down in the text, and/or this is a specific question that isn't likely to be useful to others long-term.  
> **username_2**: I think there is a valid question in here. One of the possible means of discovering ownership of bitcoins is by blockchain analysis. The question here is asking if moving bitcoins into another alt-coin and then back to bitcoins does this prevent the "follow-the-coins" type blockchain analysis. My guess is that it would make tracking the ownership of the coins harder but I don't know enough about the various alt-coins and exchanges to know if it's possible to move in and out of the alt-coins and be sure of anonymity.  

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### Answer by username_1 on 2013-04-13. Score: 1

If you want to hold bitcoins anonymously then the only thing you can easily do is a cash transaction. In the good old days you could just have mined some, but that's not an option available to most people today.

To answer the specific question, the exchange will have records of the receiving and sending transactions, so if you consider them to be compromised then there is no additional security available in using an exchange regardless of if you are moving currency within a blockchain or between blockchains.


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