setfit safetensors bert sentence-transformers text-classification generated_from_setfit_trainer arxiv:2209.11055 base_model:BAAI/bge-base-en-v1.5 base_model:finetune:BAAI/bge-base-en-v1.5 region:us
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base_model: BAAI/bge-base-en-v1.5
library_name: setfit
metrics:
- accuracy
pipeline_tag: text-classification
tags:
- setfit
- sentence-transformers
- text-classification
- generated_from_setfit_trainer
widget:
- text: 'Andy Symanowski: Boleyn ( talk ) 19:50, 16 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete
    : Some behind the scenes of making the movies, but nothing extensive about this
    person [4] and [5] .  I don''t see notability from the sources used in the article
    either.  Oaktree b ( talk ) 20:17, 16 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This
    discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics:
    Comics and animation and United Kingdom .  Delta space 42 ( talk • contribs )
    20:39, 16 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included
    in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions .  WC Quidditch
    ☎ ✎ 20:40, 16 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete per Oaktree fails WP:GNG .  Pharaoh
    of the Wizards ( talk ) 05:58, 22 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion
    is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent
    comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article''s
    talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this
    page.'
- text: 'List of communities served by Comcast: Rusf10 ( talk ) 04:14, 20 April 2024
    (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting
    lists for the following topics: Television , Business , Internet ,  and United
    States of America .  Rusf10 ( talk ) 04:14, 20 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Many
    many many companies on Wikipedia list their service area(s).   Perhaps not to
    the level of the city/town licenses which is what actually grants Comcast its
    service area.  i.e. One canneot get XFINITY outside of city/town licensed to allow
    offer it.  But should a company''s service area be listed on Wikipedia is the
    better question?   Many banks list the states they''re in as they''re licensed
    on the state level.  Verizon lists their FiOS area markets.  Charter Communications
    lists its markets.   The satellite providers which are all in the same sky list
    their service areas.   Radio/TV stations list the area/markets they''re licensed
    to serve.  Mobile companies list the states they are licensed to operate in.  There''s
    LOTS of DIR on Wikipedia.   For example: List of countries with Burger King franchises
    .   To that logic wouldn''t people just goto BK.com and look up what Burger Kings
    are nearby?  CaribDigita ( talk ) 07:43, 20 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This
    discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions
    .  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:56, 20 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete per
    WP:NOTDIR and WP:NOTDB .   No analysis or summary is offered; the article is just
    a long bulleted list.   Anyone searching for this information would just get it
    from Comcast, who would have a more up-to-date list anyway.   Consensus has been
    that standalone lists of airline destinations are not encyclopedic enough for
    WP, and I think this article is very similar in concept to that.  WeirdNAnnoyed
    ( talk ) 14:57, 20 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete per NOTDIR and minimal coverage
    of the topic ( this is about as good as secondary coverage gets).  RunningTiger123
    ( talk ) 01:47, 23 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete Per WP:NOTDIRECTORY and WP:NOTDB
    .  Unencyclopedic content.  AusLondonder ( talk ) 10:20, 23 April 2024 (UTC) [
    reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please
    do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion
    page (such as the article''s talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further
    edits should be made to this page.'
- text: 'Mel Davis (musician) : Boleyn ( talk ) 08:47, 20 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply
    ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the
    following topics: Bands and musicians , Florida ,  and Pennsylvania .  WC Quidditch
    ☎ ✎ 12:07, 20 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough
    discussion and clearer consensus.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks,
    L iz Read!  Talk!  07:31, 27 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion
    is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent
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- text: 'The People''s Republic of Amnesia: There appears to be only 1 decent review
    from NY times.  But doesn''t meet WP:NBOOK .  LibStar ( talk ) 23:48, 21 December
    2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion
    sorting lists for the following topics: Literature and China .  LibStar ( talk
    ) 23:48, 21 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep BEFORE fail.  WaPo mentions it,
    this year, demonstrating it has enduring coverage.  Anything the Chinese Communist
    Party wants to ban... we''d better have a really airtight case for deleting, and
    this ain''t it.  Jclemens ( talk ) 00:00, 22 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] "Anything
    the Chinese Communist Party wants to ban." is not a criteria for WP:NBOOK .  LibStar
    ( talk ) 00:13, 22 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] No, it''s a criteria for a project
    built on NOTCENSORED, which I happen to believe applies to this case based on
    the WaPo article I cited.  Consider beefing up your BEFORE, withdrawing the nomination,
    or accept the residual risk of appearing to have nomination priorities congruent
    with a totalitarian regime.  That may be totally OK with you, but I would consider
    having myself apparently so aligned a pretty negative thing.  Cheers, Jclemens
    ( talk ) 00:24, 22 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Suggest you tone down your aggressive
    tone.  LibStar ( talk ) 00:25, 22 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep : Clearly
    meets WP:NBOOK .  Numerous reviews, including in Krikus Reviews , Publishers Weekly
    , The Guardian , Wall Street Journal .  ARandomName123 ( talk ) Ping me!  00:29,
    22 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] I''ve also added a link to the Times review already
    in the article, which is accessible through TWL.  ARandomName123 ( talk ) Ping
    me!  00:39, 22 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Thanks LibStar ( talk ) 00:42, 22
    December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep : several reviews in serious RS.  Have done
    some tidying up - removed the umpteen repeated links to the author, removed a
    duplicated ref, and fixed the curly quotes.  Pam D 09:00, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
    [ reply ] Keep as the Reception section shows notability.  DaniloDaysOfOurLives
    ( talk ) 12:49, 27 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep notable, while the article
    might not have shown notability, remember to check WP:BEFORE nominating for deletion.  microbiology
    Marcus ( petri dish · growths ) 20:31, 27 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep :
    per coverage in reviews.  बिनोद थारू ( talk ) 22:08, 28 December 2023 (UTC) [
    reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please
    do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion
    page (such as the article''s talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further
    edits should be made to this page.'
- text: 'Sonia Jackson Myles: WP:NOT and TOU violations.  duffbeerforme ( talk ) 12:38,
    13 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the
    list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions .  CptViraj ( talk ) 12:53,
    13 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the
    list of Women-related deletion discussions .  CptViraj ( talk ) 12:56, 13 December
    2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete professional profile , WP:NOTLINKEDIN — siro χ o 15:25,
    13 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete : PR pieces, this Forbes Contributor piece
    [22] and the Blomberg interview used in the article, none of which are RS, show
    this isn''t notable.  I can''t find non-PR sources.  Oaktree b ( talk ) 18:13,
    13 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the
    deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Management and Florida .  WC
    Quidditch ☎ ✎ 20:31, 13 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is
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inference: true
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# SetFit with BAAI/bge-base-en-v1.5

This is a [SetFit](https://github.com/huggingface/setfit) model that can be used for Text Classification. This SetFit model uses [BAAI/bge-base-en-v1.5](https://huggingface.co/BAAI/bge-base-en-v1.5) as the Sentence Transformer embedding model. A [LogisticRegression](https://scikit-learn.org/stable/modules/generated/sklearn.linear_model.LogisticRegression.html) instance is used for classification.

The model has been trained using an efficient few-shot learning technique that involves:

1. Fine-tuning a [Sentence Transformer](https://www.sbert.net) with contrastive learning.
2. Training a classification head with features from the fine-tuned Sentence Transformer.

## Model Details

### Model Description
- **Model Type:** SetFit
- **Sentence Transformer body:** [BAAI/bge-base-en-v1.5](https://huggingface.co/BAAI/bge-base-en-v1.5)
- **Classification head:** a [LogisticRegression](https://scikit-learn.org/stable/modules/generated/sklearn.linear_model.LogisticRegression.html) instance
- **Maximum Sequence Length:** 512 tokens
- **Number of Classes:** 8 classes
<!-- - **Training Dataset:** [Unknown](https://huggingface.co/datasets/unknown) -->
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### Model Sources

- **Repository:** [SetFit on GitHub](https://github.com/huggingface/setfit)
- **Paper:** [Efficient Few-Shot Learning Without Prompts](https://arxiv.org/abs/2209.11055)
- **Blogpost:** [SetFit: Efficient Few-Shot Learning Without Prompts](https://huggingface.co/blog/setfit)

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| 1     | <ul><li>'Sadanandan Rangorath: Not received significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.  The Doom Patrol ( talk ) 11:40, 1 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers , Film , India ,  and Kerala .  The Doom Patrol ( talk ) 11:40, 1 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep Meets criterion#3 for Creative professionals: "The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews, or of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series)". - My, oh my!  (Mushy Yank) 09:23, 2 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, D u s t i *Let\'s talk! * 11:12, 8 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, L iz Read!  Talk!  17:33, 15 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete since subject fails WP:GNG .  Invocations of WP:NCREATIVE are erroneous: An "important figure"?  "Originated a significant new concept, theory, or technique"?  "Created a significant or well-known work or collective body of work"?  His "work has become a significant monument? "No" to all. - The Gnome ( talk ) 17:35, 15 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: This could have been closed as no consensus but I figure another week is okay to see if we at least get a little more participation Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, D u s t i *Let\'s talk!* 20:33, 22 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep . The references seem to be adequate. Eastmain ( talk • contribs ) 00:57, 23 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Weak Keep - Considering the references; seems to marginally pass the criteria! Ekdalian ( talk ) 13:20, 25 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep - agree with Mushy Yank on WP:NCREATIVE ; at least 1 of those questions listed by The Gnome could be answered with "Yes" since the work has its own article on Wikipedia, demonstrating notability for the purposes here.  There also seems to be some negative press https://onlookersmedia.in/latestnews/aashiq-abu-sidharth-bharathan-warns-film-aspirants-stay-away-lucsam-sadanandan/ , https://onlookersmedia.in/latestnews/salt-n-pepper-producer-lucsam-sadanandan-rangorath-accused-of-cheating-rs-4-lakhs/ regarding the subject which could be added to the article.  - Indefensible ( talk ) 01:19, 30 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article\'s talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.'</li><li>'Tommy Storm and the Galactic Knights: I\'ve searched for reviews on Kirkus, Publishers Weekly, Booklist, and School Library Journal, as well as general searches on Google and Google Scholar, and haven\'t found any sources to meet notability guidelines.  I would suggest redirecting to the author\'s page ( A.J. Healy ), at least for now.  Significa liberdade (she/her) ( talk ) 02:01, 27 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions .  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 04:19, 27 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions .  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 04:19, 27 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction and fantasy-related deletion discussions .  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 04:19, 27 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the list of Bibliographies-related deletion discussions .  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 04:19, 27 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Redirect to author as suggested.  The only thing I found in Wikipedia Library was a routine book announcement in Publishers\' Weekly: "Tommy Storm debuts with Tommy Storm and Tommy Storm and the Galactic Knights by A.J. Healy ($8.99 each, 9-12)."  Definitely no NBOOK in sight.  ~ L 🌸 ( talk ) 06:22, 27 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Change to Keep per Cunard\'s excellent finds below, which give us the 2+ reviews we need for NBOOK1.  Thanks, too, for adding material from these to the article!  (Also, on reflection, a better alternative to deletion would have been a merge to Tommy Storm , but that\'s beside the point now.) ~ L 🌸 ( talk ) 23:36, 27 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources .  Wikipedia:Notability (books)#Criteria says: A book is presumed notable if it verifiably meets, through reliable sources , at least one of the following criteria: The book has been the subject of two or more non-trivial published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself.  This can include published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, other books, television documentaries, bestseller lists, and reviews.  This excludes media re-prints of press releases, flap copy , or other publications where the author, its publisher, agent, or other self-interested parties advertise or speak about the book.  Sources "A right royal a scandal" .  Sunday Mercury .  2009-10-18.  Archived from the original on 2024-01-27 .  Retrieved 2024-01-27 .  The review notes: "The second book in the series from Irish writer AJ Healy starts just after Tommy and his four knight friends have been captured by gangster Nack Jikilson - and when they escape he follows them across the galaxy. ... Tommy Storm is not a particularly likeable character, and although this book is riddled with intelligent crossreferences meant to amuse, it just comes across as though it\'s trying too hard to impress. Billed as a comedy adventure, it\'s not that funny and the adventure is confusing. However, being confusing means that it\'s unpredictable to the end, and it is heart-warming in parts."  Thompson, Mary Shine (2009-11-14).  "Gems of gloom and global warming".  Irish Times .  ProQuest 309197507 .  The review notes: " Tommy Storm and the Galactic Knights (Quercus, £6.99) is a sequel (but of course) to Tommy Storm, and its narrator helpfully advises readers that they can skip the generous footnotes and information boxes. The book is crammed with characters with names such as A-Sad-Bin-Liner and the kind of smart-alec ripostes, puns (there\'s a Straddlevarious violin) and exclamations that many youngsters find hilarious. You will get the drift if I tell you that Tommy and Co outwit a monster and mount an offensive against chocolate terrorists to save the universe."  The author\'s website Internet Archive notes: "The Sunday Tribune included Tommy Storm and the Galactic Knights in its Top-Ten list of "the best crossover reads" - being "books that parents can sneak a look at while the kids are doing their homework.  Fables that work on one level for kids, and on a mythic level for adults.  Books that engage on the kind of emotional plane that some adult novels can only aspire to.  And so, in the wake of the Potter and Twilight sagas, here are 10 of the best books to get all ages squabbling this Christmas over who gets to read them first. " Tommy Storm and the Galactic Knights is, they say, "an enjoyable romp, full of fizz and humour. "" There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Tommy Storm and the Galactic Knights to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline , which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".  Cunard ( talk ) 12:36, 27 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep per Cunard\'s sources.  Toughpigs ( talk ) 00:34, 28 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article\'s talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.'</li><li>'Northwestern Europe: Already removed a lot of bogus sources that were nothing more than googling for a term and then citing whatever comes up, ignoring context, disregarding inconsistencies in an uncritical pursuit of confirming one\'s own beliefs .  Most additions were done by now-blocked User:Madreterra (blocked for.... "persistent addition of unsourced content)".  My prod was deprodded by Necrothesp , who thought it needs to go for a full AfD, so here it is.  Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk ) 16:37, 16 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Europe .  Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk ) 16:37, 16 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] PS: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Southwestern Europe now also in AfD for similar reasons.  Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk ) 16:49, 16 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Agree, WP:OR WP:SYNTH are both applicable to this article.  Conceptually I can see how a wiki page on Northwestern Europe could be defensible and a great page, but in its current form this isn\'t close to that.  Vote delete WilsonP NYC ( talk ) 17:10, 16 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] I think there is no solid conceptual ground either, because the term is only used sparingly, in wildly different contexts, and everyone defines it ad hoc , for the purposes of whatever story they want to tell, or whatever research they want to do, or whatever graph they want to show.  There is no long-term commitment to "Northwestern Europe" as an enduring concept and analytical category in the sources that I checked, and therefore no commitment to defining it consistently.  In other words: everyone makes it up as they go along, and this article is an arbitrary sample of people making definitions up as they go along.  Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk ) 17:18, 16 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] PS: My edit summaries may help explain just how random and SYNTH it all is.  As I noted, most references are a URL which is literally someone typing in the words "northwestern europe is defined as" into Google Books, clicking on whatever looks cool, copypasting the URL into this page and then thinking they\'ve "proven" something, disregarding contradictions and context.  Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk ) 17:30, 16 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete or redirect to Regions of Europe .  Reviewing the sources, it seems some don\'t even use the term "Northwestern Europe", and in others they use a lowercase "northwestern Europe", using simple compass directions in a brief usage without defining a specific region.  Perhaps Nordic race should have more relevant geographic discussion with those sources, but I agree that this article seems like synthesis because there\'s not much discussion of the region as a whole and how it may be consistently described.  The ethnographic definitions seem like broad generalizations that are rarely consistent with geography.  One can make directional references to any place with one\'s own definition, but without more established meaning than pointing out the obvious of what "northwest" and "europe" mean, or finding more in-depth and universal discussion, I don\'t see the need for this.  Reywas92 Talk 18:02, 16 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] My thoughts exactly.  Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk ) 18:55, 16 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Belgium , Denmark , France , Germany , Iceland , Ireland , Luxembourg , Netherlands , Norway , Sweden ,  and United Kingdom .  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:54, 16 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep , but improve.  Looking at other Wiki articles, it appears to be quite specifically defined by the EU as a development region, in addition to its rather looser cultural definitions.  So although it may be poorly sourced and written, my sense is that it definitely worth a topic as a geographical area tightly defined by a major international body and also, more loosely, but nonetheless meaningfully by historians, geographers and other specialists.  Bermicourt ( talk ) 21:22, 16 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] it appears to be quite specifically defined by the EU as a development region What do you base that on?  The European Union is not mentioned anywhere in the article.  Iceland, the Faroe Islands, Norway, the UK (unfortunately), and Switzerland are not even in the EU.  How is the EU supposed to define a set of countries a "development region" if it has no jurisdiction over half of them?  Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk ) 21:51, 16 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] RE: [The development region] is not mentioned anywhere in the article .  It is now .  Guliolopez ( talk ) 01:15, 17 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] So "North-West Europe" is an interreg comprising "Belgium, Ireland, Luxembourg, Switzerland, the Netherlands and parts of France and Germany."  As I suspected this excludes Iceland, Faroe Islands, Norway, UK, but also Sweden and Denmark, and "parts of France and Germany", and also Switzerland.  Completely different from the given definition and map.  Starting to think this should be a DP if anything.  Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk ) 06:34, 17 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep .  And remove or cleanup the OR/SYNTH.  Based on the sources returned in my own WP:BEFORE (some of which I\'ve added to the article ), it seems that the topic (the term) has notability and a breadth of coverage in geographic, history, military and other works.  While, per the nom, the article has become a COATRACK for OR, SYNTH and editorial on ethnographic and genetic content (neither section being, to my read and per the notes in the nom, supported by the linked sources), those issues can be addressed without deletion .  Guliolopez ( talk ) 01:10, 17 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] I appreciate your improvements.  As noted above, I\'m starting to think this is going to become a list of definitions about different things rather than an article.  But even if we were to make this a DP, I\'m afraid all entries would fail WP:GNG .  E.g. interreg#Strand B: transnational cooperation shows these are temporary programmes.  Interreg North Sea Programme is the only one with a standalone article and I\'m not sure it meets GNG either.  If it does, and this NWE programme as well, then this whole article must be renamed and rescoped and purged to fit the interreg project, otherwise it is still a WP:COATRACK .  Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk ) 06:49, 17 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] I\'ve removed more SYNTHed and UNSOURCED stuff that were reductionist generalisations about religion and language families.  Simplistic attempts to cast "Northwestern Europe" as "Germanic" and "Protestant" seem like ethnolinguistic pan-nationalist ideas, and are probably the reason why " Germanic-speaking Europe " and " White Anglo-Saxon Protestant " were included in the See also section.  I had already removed the latter as being too tangentially connected, but we should probably be removing the former as well.  Given that the purported region is home to millions of speakers of Romance, Uralic, Celtic, Turkic, Semitic and other non-Germanic language families, as well as being home to millions of Catholics, atheists/agnostics/humanists, Muslims, and other non-Protestants, such generalisations really don\'t pass the pub test .  Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk ) 08:57, 17 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment I\'m considering either declaring this an unnecessary content fork or a valid entity discussed in academic literature.  Awaiting further comments.  Draken Bowser ( talk ) 07:56, 17 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep .  It\'s a real geography, supported by WP:SIGCOV quality sources, just lesser used.  WP should absolutely also carry and discuss these.  In other cases, nominator addresses the WILD GROWTH of articles around such geographies, organizations or ethnicities, nominations I support.  Here he is questioning whether we should keep the core in such cases.  According to WP:NEXIST , we should.  No concern here of WP:OR , WP:SYNTH , or WP:COATRACK beyond minor stuff that can be removed in simple cleanup.  And WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP !  The concept is out there, recognized, just not that frequently used in comparison to other subdivisions of Europe.  gidonb ( talk ) 13:59, 18 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Sources: Europe; Volume II: the North-West: Stanford\'s Compendium of Geography and Travel.  Chisholm, Geo.  G. Published by Edward Stanford, London, 1902.  Monkhouse , Francis J. The Geography of Northwestern Europe.  New York: Praeger, 1966.  528p.  Boesch, H., Monkhouse, F. J. (1967) The Geography of Northwestern Europe.  Economic Geography, 43 (4).  369pp.  doi:10.2307/143256 North Western Europe: A Systematic Approach.  Morris, Joseph Acton.  UK: Thomas Nelson & Sons, 1973.  ISBN 9780174440307 gidonb ( talk ) 02:13, 19 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep - indeed real geography per WP:SIGCOV quality sources.  BabbaQ ( talk ) 13:45, 20 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  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| 3     | <ul><li>'Dead Hendrix : Started in 2020 and I see no charted music, albums release on major record labels, or significant coverage.  There is a good article in The Source but one article is not enough to establish notability.  CNMall41 ( talk ) 08:48, 4 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People , Bands and musicians , Music ,  and Canada .  CNMall41 ( talk ) 08:49, 4 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Weak Keep - This is a reluctant vote because the rapper surely has an overactive hype team swamping the internet with promotional junk like how he\'s "taking over" (e.g. [2] ).  But he has gotten some real notice from reliable magazines, including The Source (already cited), which contrary to the nominator\'s statement, is not the only one out there and is instead just the only one currently in the article.  Here are some more appearances in the reliable or semi-reliable music media: [3] , [4] ; while the collab with Levi Zadoff has gotten a fair amount of attention: [5] , [6] , [7] , [8] .  It\'s quite early in his career and coverage is limited to just a couple of releases, but he may have enough for a stub article here under a lenient reading of WP:SIGCOV .  --- DOOMSDAYER 520 ( TALK | CONTRIBS ) 13:09, 4 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The first two sources you link to are clearly marked as being written by a publicist.  The rest is about a collab and not in-depth about the subject of this page.  -- CNMall41 ( talk ) 06:32, 5 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Read the vote more carefully.  I said the first link was unreliable hype, and described the second as "semi-reliable" and it is now dead regardless.  I don\'t think you\'re correct about the collab-related sources not covering Dead Hendrix, but my vote is a reluctant "Weak Keep" anyway.  --- DOOMSDAYER 520 ( TALK | CONTRIBS ) 14:38, 6 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] I did read what you wrote carefully.  The problem is that I did not state clearly what I meant and apologize for such.  I was referring to the first two sources that you stated were reliable (one of which you stated semi-reliable).  Both links are working and both were written by publicists.  Hope that clarifies. -- CNMall41 ( talk ) 20:43, 7 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the list of Vermont-related deletion discussions .  WC Quidditch ☎ ✎ 18:41, 4 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete : Not enough coverage, I\'ve tried to find mentions in sources here [9] but nothing else comes up.  Oaktree b ( talk ) 00:25, 5 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] leaning keep per Doomsdayer.  I think the coverage is just about enough to justify the stub.  NotAGenious ( talk ) 08:21, 11 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Can you point out the coverage that you feel shows notability per either WP:GNG or WP:NMUSICIAN ? -- CNMall41 ( talk ) 05:44, 12 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The source article is certainly good, but the collab articles (esp. 5, 6, 7) look convincing, as they are non-trivial, more than Works consisting merely of trivial coverage, such as articles that simply report performance dates .  But, if needed we can send back to draft, as coverage can indeed be further developed overtime.  NotAGenious ( talk ) 17:17, 16 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Move to draft .  This strikes me as a bit of a WP:TOOSOON case, but one for which future developments lending to notability are at least plausible.  BD2412 T 19:24, 11 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, Daniel ( talk ) 10:22, 12 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Draftify as was the case until recently.  This is no reflection on NotAGenious, as there is slim credibility in some of the sources provided, however I concur with concerns around the origin of some of the source material.  I am also not seeing how this is passing WP:MUSICBIO at present.  Sending back to draft not only affords a little more time to see if stronger references surface, but also respects the weak keeps as the article isn\'t deleted outright.  Bungle ( talk • contribs ) 09:50, 19 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Relisting comment: Relisting to see if there is more support for draftification.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, L iz Read!  Talk!  23:08, 19 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article\'s talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.'</li><li>'Afro fusion: It has not been discussed in reliable secondary sources, and there isn\'t a single reliable source that discusses the genre in detail.  All of the article\'s sources involve artists self-describing their music as Afro-fusion via press releases and interviews.  The page creator gathered tons of random sources that mention the term "Afro fusion" and piece them together to create the article.  Note to closing administrator: This discussion needs adequate time and my hope is that enough participants contribute to the discussion.  Let me also add that the article contains false information.  The page creator claims that the genre was "developed in South Africa" and "universalized by Freshlyground".  However, the source cited to support this info doesn\'t state any of this.  As a matter of fact, the source states that Freshlyground\'s style of music is unofficially called Afro fusion and that it "contains elements of traditional South African music with blues, jazz and a spoonful of indie rock".  Here are a few sources from the article.  I created the table below to show that none of the article\'s sources discuss the music genre.  The table isn\'t complete but if you go through each source, you will see that none of them discuss the music genre.  Source assessment table: prepared by User:Versace1608 Source Independent?  Reliable?  Significant coverage?  Count source toward GNG ?  https://www.nme.com/features/music-interviews/bnxn-afrofusion-superstar-interview-wizkid-burna-boy-3512374 An interview BNXN granted to NME.  Article doesn\'t discuss the Afro-fusion genre, just that the artist makes said genre.  The source does not discuss the genre whatsover ✘ No https://www.timeslive.co.za/tshisa-live/tshisa-live/2023-10-02-afro-fusion-star-siphokazi-chats-music-hiatus-and-new-project-in-the-pipeline/#google_vignette An interview Siphokazi granted to Times Live .  Article doesn\'t discuss the Afro-fusion genre, just mentions it in its title The source does not discuss the genre whatsover ✘ No https://mshale.com/2013/02/01/freshlyground-refreshing-music-hailing-south-africa/ Makes mention of the band\'s members and stated that the band\'s music has been dubbed Afro-fusion.  The source does not discuss the genre whatsover ✘ No https://web.archive.org/web/20240409204623/https://newsghana.com.gh/villy-is-a-nigerian-afro-fusion-and-soul-singer/ All of the article\'s material was copied from another blog Promotional website.  Per the website, users can email their stories to an email address listed The source does not discuss the genre whatsover ✘ No https://uproxx.com/music/burna-boy-i-told-them-review/ The source does not discuss the genre whatsover ✘ No https://www.thesouthafrican.com/lifestyle/celeb-news/waka-waka-hitmakers-where-did-freshlyground-disappear-to-breaking-25-june-2023/ The source does not discuss the genre whatsover ✘ No https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-40580246 The source does not discuss the genre whatsover ✘ No https://hiphopdx.com/news/jidenna-afro-dance-fusion-album-ready-to-go Article is littered with quotes from Jidenna The source does not discuss the genre whatsover ✘ No https://www.arabnews.com/offbeat/afro-japanese-fusion-music-puzzles-traditionalists Article contains several quotations from Mango The source does not discuss the genre whatsover ✘ No https://www.timeslive.co.za/tshisa-live/tshisa-live/2017-07-17-shocked-us-star-paul-simon-offers-support-to-ray-phiris-family/ Semi-indepedent The source does not discuss the genre whatsover ✘ No This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor.  Created using {{ source assess table }} .  Versace 1608 Wanna Talk ?  02:14, 10 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions .  Versace 1608 Wanna Talk ?  02:14, 10 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment: Afro fusion is a fusion genre " Fusion music, also known as crossover music, is a genre that blends various musical styles together to create unique and innovative compositions. It often combines elements of different genres such as jazz, rock, classical, or world music to create a new sound that transcends traditional boundaries . The essence of fusion music lies in its experimental nature and the exploration of new musical horizons. "  ( [1] )  which by definition and explicit demonstration is the style of music associated-acts of afrofusion, illustrate.  A Google books search on "afro fusion" retains over 1000 results.  ( [9] )  "The band is known for its eclectic sound that combines elements of South African traditional music, jazz, blues, and indie rock. Freshlyground\'s music often features a mix of languages, including English, Xhosa, Zulu, and French, and their lyrics often address social and political issues such as poverty, inequality, and corruption." [10]  ( Freshlyground )  ( African Music Library Org )  "their sound is equally diverse, dipping into kwaito , folk , blues and jazz"  (Freshlyground)  [11]  ( Mail & Guardian , 2006)  "There have always been rock , reggae , jazz and Afro-fusion bands in South Africa", "A brief profile of Laka \'s Afro fusion band  image" -  (Gavin Steingo, Kwaito\'s Promise Music and the Aesthetics of Freedom in South Africa , JSTOR - ISBN:9780226362687, 022636268X)  "Kenyan afrofusion arrived on the scene soon after the turn of the of the twenty-first century..." -  ( Georgina Born , Music and Digital Media A planetary anthropology, ISBN:9781800082434, 1800082436 )  Qaqaamba  ( talk )  07:13, 10 April 2024  (UTC)  [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the list of South Africa-related deletion discussions .  dxneo  ( talk )  19:29, 10 April 2024  (UTC)  [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Africa and Nigeria .  dxneo  ( talk )  19:31, 10 April 2024  (UTC)  [ reply ] Comment : So Versace1608 and Qaqaamba have an open discussion at WP:ANI complaining about content dispute/edit warring on " Khona " and related articles, use of foul language and breaking the WP:3RR rule just to mention a few.  The discussion hasn\'t been concluded yet but here you are again on AfD.  dxneo  ( talk )  19:49, 10 April 2024  (UTC)  [ reply ] Delete: The article lacks clarity regarding the specific stylistic elements or rhythmic patterns that distinguish Afro-fusion as a distinct genre [12] .  The article conflates afro fusion a term used in describing different genres of music as one specific genre of music [13] [14] [15] .  For example, artists such as Burna boy , BNXN , and Omah Lay are used within the article and the sources of the article.  These artists are mostly Afrobeats artists [16] [17] [18] with the name Afro-Fusion being used to describe their style of music as an offshoot or subgenre of afrobeats [19] [20] .  Also, it is very important to note that the existence of the term afro fusion being used by multiple different sources on google books or jstor is not a good enough example of the existence of this genre especially considering that when these sources are reviewed one by one each of them are talking about different genres of music that often has nothing to do with each other, with some sources using the term afro fusion in referring to the fusion of foods.  Bernadine okoro  ( talk )  18:26, 15 April 2024  (UTC)  [ reply ] Delete: Per above, the problem is not that "afro-fusion" as a term doesn\'t exist, because it obviously does.  The problem is that various artists in different places  (e.g Nigeria, South Africa)  have used the name "Afro-fusion" to refer to /completely different things.  This article, however, conflates them as some sort of connected, unified, related movement, which simply isn\'t the case and sources do not suggest as much.  It\'s quite clear, for example, that what "Burna Boy" calls afro-fusion is simply an extension of Afrobeats , which is completely different to what, say, Sakaki Mango is calling "afro-fusion".  This ultimately stems from the belief from the creator of the article that genre-names cannot be re-used by unrelated sounds.  The result of this is a synthesis of various sources to suggest unrelated topics are all related to each-other.  HarrySONofBARRY  ( talk )  20:36, 15 April 2024  (UTC)  [ reply ] Comment: I took a short wiki-break.  As per Versace1608\'s stipulations at ANI prior to this AfD, Versace1608\'s main concerns appeared to be whether the genre originated in South Africa or not and that "Burna Boy coined the term afrofusion" - which has/have been answered/established via sources in the article.  As per the purpose of this AfD does the particluar article fail WP:GNG, WP:NMUSIC, WP:SUBNOT and has it been discussed in reliable secondary sources?  HarrySONofBARRY -  as per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Afroswing#Third_opinion you agreed that any re-directs  for "afrofusion" to afrobeats should be edited/deleted.  Other editors appear to have edited multiple re-directs however it appears there is still a current re-direct from afrofusion to afrobeats,remainder/apparent.  The stylistic origins/(influences)  have been updated.  In addition to previous listed stylistic origins\xa0; world music , worldbeat , crossover music → traditional African music , Afropop and experimental music have been added as per sources , primary as well as secondary  and context of the dance genre and musical style.  In regards to Afro fusion as a cuisine , I believe that is a completely different topic and would hypothetically speaking be article: afro fusion  (cuisine)  .  Qaqaamba  ( talk )  22:36, 15 April 2024  (UTC)  [ reply ] @ Bernadine okoro I have removed the Omah Lay,  (now,previous)  citation [21] I have removed Burna Boy paragraphs/mentions from the article as per taking an in-depth look as well as , as per Talk:Burna Boy#Removal of Afrofusion discussion, although the artist claims he has pioneered Afro fusion as a genre , that proves to be false as per the article, in addition as per afrobeats \' stylistic origins, the musical genres the musician has been blending up to date appear to be in fact the genres which indeed , make up afrobeats\'  (if I am not mistaken)  and not afrofusion\'s true stylistic origins nor influences as per combined sources.  I have removed BXN\'s,  (now previous)  citation [22] , although he blends an additional "non-afrobeats stylistic origin" genre Drill which is illustrative of the afrofusion musical style, in itself - the source stipulated previous contradictory information in regards to " it sees BNXN put his own stamp on Afrofusion – a term coined by Burna Boy to describe his own genreless style. " As per afro-fusion article, sources and above we have established that Burna Boy did not coin the term.  @ Versace1608 as per Talk:Burna Boy#Removal of Afrofusion discussion and HarrySONofBarry\'s concerns will you still add a section inclusive of a hatnote in the afrobeats article differentiating in regards to afrofusion as an evidential term/ hypernym/idiom and the actual afrofusion dance genre and musical style?  Question: Should afrobeats be added as a regional scene in the afrofusion article i.e. "regional scene: {{hlist| [[afrobeats]]| Nigeria]]?  Qaqaamba  ( talk )  09:17, 16 April 2024  (UTC)  [ reply ] But then the issue isn\'t just about removing artists whose style of music have been described with the term Afro fusion the issue is whether Afro fusion exists as a musical style of its own hereby needing a standalone article.  To classify Afro fusion as a musical style of its own it means it must have a rhythmic pattern of its own because all music has rhythmic pattern even noise has rhythmic patterns.  [23] [24] For example, afrobeats has the Clave  (rhythm)  as a rhythmic pattern, rock music has four-on-the-floor pattern while house music has a four-by-four beat pattern with a bass drum kick hitting on every beat from the article afro fusion seems to not have one.  [25] [26] [27] The article dates the genre as early as the 1970s but it seems that there is already another musical style that has been described as Afro fusion dating to the 1950s [28] .  Also, I find this statement broad “By definition of a fusion genre and illustration of the afro-fusion musical style by associated-acts it is a genre and musical compositional form which incorporates traditional African music as well as Afropop, additionally spans between and blends various genres in a crossover-like style.”  For one Afropop is not a specific style of music, most often Afropop is used in describing any genre of music that is popular within the African continent or simply any African music.  The afropop article talks about this [29] Secondly if this style of music is the blending of any style of music with African traditional music, then that alone makes multiple different fusion styles of music that are within the continent to be afro fusion.  But if that\'s what this article is about then the mentioning of 1970s South Africa as the cultural origins of this style of music will confuse readers because all fusion genres within the African continent didn\'t begin in South Africa.  Also, there are fusion styles in Africa that predates the 1970s [30] [31] .  So basically, the problem is that the article is not specific on what Afro fusion is as regards to it being a specific musical standalone style.The article, at its most effective, appears to gather every and any references to afrofusion in music without providing a clear definition of the genre itself.  Bernadine okoro  ( talk )  00:00, 17 April 2024  (UTC)  [ reply ] A musical style describes techniques and methodologies definied as or identified by composers of music and/or theorist of music.  .  " but it seems that there is already another musical style that has been described as Afro fusion dating to the 1950s " - if I am not mistaken and this is the source and specific sentence you are referring to [32] " ...Ace Afrofusion pioneers one cannot forget to mention the ace Ghanian drummer Kofi Ghanaba  (years active 1950s to 2008)  whose late 1950s and early 1960s Afro-jazz style influenced Tony Allen  (years active 1960s/1970s to 2020)  and predated the afro-fusion music of Fela Kuti  (years active 1960s to 1990s)  by a decade" published by John Collins, in 2015  ( after the release of afrofusion and soca song " Waka Waka  (This Time for Africa)  (2010), which accelerated the usage of the term  to describe both former historical as well as present day illustrations of fusing African music with Western music.  It appears the author used it as an adjective , additionally the author is referring to Afro-jazz  (which appears to be a fusion of African music and jazz)  which numerous African countries , claim or label and appear to have "pioneers" of e.g. Hugh Masekela  ( years active 1950s to 2018)  " Masekela began to hone his, now signature, Afro-Jazz sound in the late 1950s during a period of intense creative collaboration " [33] or Manu Dibango  ( years active 1968 to 2020).  Google infobox for "Afro-jazz" - [34] .   Furthermore African Jazz Pioneers  (also Afro-jazz  )  (Years active:1950s -present)  stipulates the origin as "still", Johannesburg, South Africa .  African Jazz pioneers was also inclusive of Dudu Pukwana a member of Assagai an afrorock band.  Afrorock blends elements of rock music with African influences which would hypethically speaking , if not by sources also be described as or make useage of the term "an afrofusion band/ genre".  The fact that the term was coined by South African/(s)  Sylvia Glasser and Vincent Mantsoe has already been confirmed and established via numerous reliable primary and secondary sources years prior to the publishing of the specific book and source you are referencing [35] .  Marabi , which combines numerous musical styles including jazz emerged and evolved from the 1890s to 1920s and beyond in, South Africa.  Afrofusion as a musical style and clear evidential fusion genre as per stylistic origins/ influences such as traditional African music or afropop genres and the technique, the rhythmic pattern of the song(s)  would be and  depend on which genre(s)  are used at that specific time or point  (from the perspective of a fusion genre that would mean , 100s if not 1000s of evidential rhythms ot as you\'ve linked to display "rhythmic patterns" i.e. Freshlyground \'s musical compositions for instance often blended kwaito with indie-rock .  A song released in this musical style\'s rhythmic patterns would then be four on the floor , strumming pattern , ride cymbal and clave.  , if not more.  The fact is that there is a plethora of both reliable primary and secondary sources confirming the musical style\'s definite, existence additionally as a distinct dance and musical style,  (particulary, afrofusion ).  I believe anything else, if necessary and of factual notable importance or significance could/ would be edited accordingly.  The notion for this AfD is that "This particular music genre fails WP:GNG , WP:NMUSIC and WP:SUBNOT . It has not been discussed in reliable secondary sources, and there isn\'t a single reliable source that discusses the genre in detail."  Qaqaamba  ( talk )  12:24, 17 April 2024  (UTC)  [ reply ] As per reliable primary and secondary sources, afrofusion as both a dance and musical style emerged during the apartheid era, a period marked by limited access to well-recorded and easily shareable information.  " Also, there are fusion styles in Africa that predates the 1970s [22] [23] ".  It is simply indicative of precursors possibly even for afrobeat or afrobeats.  The emergence of a musical genre involves a specific time period, reflecting the state of the world, country, or city at that time, along with distinct stylistic origins, influences, and locations.  For instance, Tsapiky fused South African pop with native Malagasy traditions in the 1970s, indicative of the musical landscape and cultural influences of that era.  While afrofusion originated in the 1970s to 1980s, it remains relevant, unlike Tsapiky, which has waned in popularity.  Musical instruments , compositional techniques , and cultural influences evolve over time, shaping fusion genres differently across various periods and regions in African music history before the 1970s, various African fusion genres existed, each characterized by distinct time periods, stylistic origins, influences, locations, and cultural contexts within the diverse musical landscape of the continent.  Worldbeat, a genre blending pop or rock with world music, differs from afro-fusion, which originated in the 1970s in South Africa, blending various specifically African pop genres.  Worldbeat emerged in the mid-1980s in the UK and US, reflecting integrated cultural influences.  Afrofusion, being a progressive and living genre opposed to "dead genre" which would\'ve meant did not regain or maintain mainstream popularity, incorporates elements from worldbeat and other styles, suggesting a stylistic connection.  Artists like Miriam Makeba [36] , prominent in afrofusion\'s early years, were influential figures in world music / worldbeat as well.  Although it diverges from the main topic, it seems possible that worldbeat could perhaps be considered a subgenre or derivative form of afrofusion, given the timeline and historical context.  As an umbrella term, afro-fusion does not negate the existence of precursors,  it remains distinct from them.  Its origins are firmly established in the 1970s to 1980s, supported by abundant reliable primary and secondary sources.  Qaqaamba  ( talk )  15:38, 17 April 2024  (UTC)  [ reply ] Bernadine okoro \'s claim that "To classify Afro fusion as a musical style of its own it means it must have a rhythmic pattern of its own" seems like an unreasonable standard.  Heavy metal music and Punk rock are different styles but share the same basic rhythmic pattern.  I know of at least one black metal song in 3/4 time, but that doesn\'t mean that it\'s in the same musical style as The Blue Danube .  There are other elements that define a musical style.  -- Slashme  ( talk )  09:28, 22 April 2024  (UTC)  [ reply ] Right, there are other elements that define musical styles.  The reason why I picked rhythmic patterns is because they’re a little bit more of an easier signifier of a musical style.  However, I feel I didn\'t properly convey what i meant, i was trying to get to the very fact that every music has a rhythmic pattern the Afro-fusion article doesn\'t list any much signifier.  So basically I\'m trying to understand the style of music this genre of Afro-fusion is because multiple different musical styles use the term Afro-fusion to define their style of music like in the case of Burna boy using Afro-fusion to describe his unique style of afrobeats or Magixx who have also been described as an afro-fusion artist i.e. Afrobeats artist same with Maleek Berry [37] [38] [39] [40] [41] [42] .  The article is not clear for example it uses a source of the 2019 Pearl Rhythm Festival which was hosted in Uganda there aren\'t any sources that could back up the very fact as to regards whether the Afro-fusion mentioned in the source is the same as the one from South Africa [43] .  In all honesty, the article seems to amalgamate online articles or books that mention Afro-fusion into one single Wikipedia article, especially in the history section.  And again this is faulty because there are multiple different styles of music that the term Afro-fusion has been used in describing [44] .  It is not one style of music stemming from South Africa and if it is, then the article needs to be a little bit more descriptive about that or leave a note at the top that conveys to readers that the afro fusion musical style practiced in uganda or nigeria is not the same as this south african one.  Bernadine okoro  ( talk )  20:00, 22 April 2024  (UTC)  [ reply ] Emphasizing on stipulating rhythmic patterns seems irrelevant additionally it is inherent that any piece of music, be it a song or album, inherently contains rhythm .  The mere act of afrofusion musical style assosciated-acts, composing and publishing music inherently involves incorporating rhythm.  Without rhythm a song or album would not be possible or realistically exist, which indicates you are indirectly insisting on the non-existence of afrofusion as a musical style/ afrofusion published bodies of work.  [45] [46] [47] Afrofusion, as per reiterated numerous times, is a fusion genre, musical style .  A musical style  encompasses a range of techniques and methodologies defined or identified by composers and music theorists, which in this case is afrofusion, a fusion genre, musical style.  This fusion genre incorporates elements from multiple genres in a predominantly experimental [48] [49] and crossover [50] [51] [52] [53] manner , resulting in a diverse array of rhythms evident in published works .  e.g.  afrofusion trio, Tananas \' music fused jazz, ragtime, township jive, Mozambican salsa, and Spanish music., therefore the rhythmic patterns would be four on the floor , 2/4, 3/2, 2/3 and strumming pattern . [54] If my memory serves me correctly were you not the editor that previously linked Freshlyground and genre "afrofusion" to afrobeats in the bands music infobox although numerous sources clearly stipulate(s)/ed the bands genres being somewhat hyperly distinct from that of afrobeats as well as afrobeats being explicitly titled "afrobeats" and not afrofusion? Afrofusion\'s title is explicitly, "Afrofusion" not e.g. Brazilian afrofusion or Chinese afrofusion, thus if a musician releases a  body of work, as explicitly afrofusion  and more importantly to highlight - not as a term to describe another fusion genre or musical style-  it is in all probablity afrofusion. Georgina Born described afrofusion as "Kenyan" afrofusion in like 3 sentences in her book and throughout the rest of the book, over 5 other pages, if not more, it is explicity and simply, "afrofusion" [55] . Another book , "Kenya is home to a diverse range of music styles, ranging from imported popular music, afro-fusion and benga music to traditional folk songs." [56] . Additionally, there is already a paragraph in the article that clearly stipulates  "regional scenes" and if I am not mistaken as well as  "music scenes."  As per Magixx\'s paragraph in the article and source " "Get to know Magixx, Nigeria\'s next big afro-fusion star" ,the musician fused trap , which is not a stylistic origin of afrobeats -   ( afrobeat , Igbo highlife , dancehall , fuji , hiplife , highlife kpanlogo , hip hop , jùjú , R&B , soca , house ), the source does not make any mention of afrobeats whatsoever.  "Magixx\'s debut EP blends Afropop  (literally 100s, if not more of African popular music genres), trap and dancehall production", In 2019, after struggling to pay for studio sessions in uni, Magixx released ‘ Problem ’, a succinct amalgamation of Afropop and Afro R&B sounds he was experimenting with at that time".  In the case of Maleek Berry \'s mention in the paragraph in the afrofusion article as well as , as per sources [49] [50] .  It is not surprising nor weird that it may be mistaken as afrobeats given the Afro-Fusion redirect to Afrobeats etc., article.  Maleek Berry featured in American rapper, GoldLink \'s, Diaspora album.  Maleek Berry and Bibi Bourelly featured on the song, " Zulu Screams " in constrast to the song\'s title, "Zulu Screams" included Bibi Bourelly singing in Lingala [51] .  Additionally, one of the other characteristics that make up afrofusion is and/or multilingualism , moreover not solely African languages.  Which is not a characteristic of afrobeats [52] [53] [54] [55] .  The notes you are proposing appear to be irrelevant, misleading and non-constructive especially as this is an  AfD nor is this a WP:DISPUTE .  The most important notes/hatnotes would be one in the afrobeats article stipulating that Burna Boy is not the pioneer of afrofusion and is in fact making afrobeats as per yourself, Versace1608 and HarrySONofBarry stipulations  as well as the usage of it as a term/hypernym.  Qaqaamba  ( talk )  07:14, 23 April 2024  (UTC)  [ reply ] The reason why I asked for the rhythmic patterns goes back to what I have been saying in my replies which is that there are different styles of music that the term afrofusion has been used in describing.  Now in order to differentiate which musical style you maybe referring to it all partly boils down to how each musical style is arranged in i.e. characteristics that define this style of music from other musical styles that has been referred to as afro-fusion.  Rhythmic patterns are much easier to identify hence why I asked and by rhythmic patterns I mean the beat pattern that this style of music often follows and not occasionally follows [57] .  From what you are saying it seems as though you are insinuating that this style of music follows all available rhythmic patterns which can be confusing because I don\'t think there is a genre that encompasses all rhythmic patterns just because it’s a fusion genre.  This further broadens this style of music making it harder to identify.  Although various genres of music allow for the fusion of different rhythmic patterns, they all have unique or specific patterns they all follow It is important to note that this doesn’t mean it can’t share a specific pattern with other genres of music like in the case of rock music and EdM [58] As regards to Magixx , that specific source might not make any mention of Afrobeats but other articles refer to his music as Afrobeats in fact he even said he is”…looking to leave an unforgettable imprint on Afrobeats” now if his style of Afro-fusion was the south African version he would have made that clear because it doesn’t seem like the song problem has anything to do with Zulu harmony [59] [60] [61] Herein lies the problem with this article if afropop and African rhythm and blues are what makes the songs released by Magixx a style of afro-fusion that you are describing what stops any fusion style from Africa from being classified as afro-fusion?  For example, although highlife music is part of the stylistic origins of afrobeats a simple fusion of highlife and amapiano, does not make a song afrobeats but by your description with a few sources one can make an argument that the simple fusion of these styles of music can be classified as afro-fusion since it incorporates traditional African music and other genres of music.  Maleek Berry ’s style of music has been referred to as afrobeats one article classifying him as afro fusionist doesn’t make him an artist that does South African afro fusion [62] [63] [64] .  Also from the afrobeats article , the genre is shared between Ghana and Nigeria, and Afrobeats artists from other countries apart from these two countries sing in their native languages as a result technically making multilingualism a part of Afrobeats.  [65] [66] [67] What am saying is that if you can describe a little bit more of the characteristics of this specific style of music it can help readers to differentiate what afro fusion is and what it is not when listening to it.  Also, the notes/hatnotes should be in both the Afrobeats article and in this one too.                                                                                                    And, I am not the editor that previously linked Freshly ground “afro-fusion" to afrobeats in the band’s music infobox.  I do not know what this is about, you are going to have to figure out which editor this is as it has nothing to do with me.  Bernadine okoro  ( talk )  02:17, 24 April 2024  (UTC)  [ reply ] Most music\'s base rhythm is four on the floor , however all distinct from one another because of stylistic/cultural origins, typical instruments and other elements  ( rock , blues , house etc.)  There are not "different terms" of music Afro-fusion was used to describe.  There\'s afrofusion as a crossover , experimental fusion genre, musical style [68] [69] [70] [71] , specifically yourself and HarrySONofBarry adding(ed)  "afrofusion" as "other name", in the body,lede and creating(ed) redirects for "Afro-Fusion/Afrofusion" to afrobeats which obviously misleads, misinforms readers and is damaging to the purpose of the encyclopedia, and it being used as a term/hypernym ISBN 9780819575401 .  You appear to be insinuating that because an artist is Nigerian or not South African, it is impossible for them to publish afro-fusion bodies of work.  Additionally, it is not odd for a  musician to  dabble in different/various musical styles or genres and regional scenes/ music scenes are stipulated in paragraphs.  Both implied points are illogical and not how music or art for that matter works, at all.  Repeatedly emphasized, the distinctiveness of a musical style stems from its stylistic origins, cultural roots (both geographical and literal), the prevailing global context and the circumstances surrounding its emergence, including the how and why behind its development.  Most if not, all forms of music and art have precursors .  Highlife emerged in the 19th century, its stylistic origins are\xa0; ( Palm-wine music , Akan music, Akan folklore, African music ) and incorporated jazz in the 1920s.  Marabi \'s  roots are a  fusion of European hymnology and spirituals during the late 19th to early 20th centuries as it developed from Makwaya,  incorporating elements of  jazz, ragtime, Pedi and Tswana bass traditions, alongside adaptations of Xhosa folk melodies into keyboard arrangements etc. (Both highlife and marabi evolved and emerged incorporating jazz \'round about the same time, although possible , South Africa "first" and then Ghana "followed"- [72] ). I am not certain why you\'re stipulating notes or hatnotes should be made for possible precursors, hip hop does not need to be differientated from talking blues or rhythm and blues for numerous, obvious reasons. Multilingualism is not included in the afrobeats article\'s characteristics. Afrofusion incorporated multilingualism  as far back as the 80s [73] , [74] [75] , if not prior to, this would also be more evident or prominent, since South Africa is not solely close-national/descent homogenous ( ethnic groups in South Africa ) like that of for instance China or Nigeria. Afrikaans , an official language of South Africa , in itself emerged during the Dutch Cape Colony from Dutch dialects . Many Afrofusion bands are multi-cultural/national/racial/ethnic, contributing to the "fusion" and multilingual aspect by incorporating diverse cultural influences [76] [77] [78] , "Tananas, a multiracial five-piece group from Cape Town, reflected that city\'s mixed heritage" - Billboard ,18 Feb 1995, p. 43 Even after excluding musicians from the article who might have mistakenly been labeled as afro-fusion due to the reasons stated earlier etc., I find it puzzling, why you continue to bring up and focus on afrobeats, making comparisons and fixating on it as a central topic.The point of this AfD was/is "that music genre fails WP:GNG , WP:NMUSIC and WP:SUBNOT . It has not been discussed in reliable secondary sources, and there isn\'t a single reliable source that discusses the genre in detail."  Qaqaamba ( talk ) 06:17, 24 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] To be clear, I agreed to a compromise solution so we could move forward with our conversation and ultimately deduced that a redirect is not as important as the other issues we were discussing. As I raised there and on the Afrobeats talk page, I ultimately disagreed with your changes and wished to discuss it at a later date. HarrySONofBARRY ( talk ) 15:48, 16 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] A redirect plays a crucial role in guiding readers to related and, most importantly, accurate articles. As per numerous discussions elsewhere, I repeatedly stipulated that musical genre/styles cannot explicity share the exact name and that differentiations are always/have to be made, e.g. Hip hop and Hipco both rap genres, however distinct from one another in regards to predominant location of origin, culture as well as stylistic origins/influences. Both yourself and Bernadine Okoro appear to insistently oppose this methodology and logic. Furthermore, hypothetically speaking introducing Hip Hop vs. explicitly titled Hip Hop (actually, Liberian Hip Hop/rap) into the encyclopedia is not only misleading as well as confusing to readers however damaging to the encyclopedia. Versace 1608 , indirectly stipulated this amongst viewpoints in discussion Talk:Burna Boy#Removal of Afrofusion , in regards to the fact that afrofusion shouldn\'t be linked in Burna Boy\'s article and once more as per above, a hatnote needed to be included in the afrobeats article. It has been consistently established through numerous discussions that Afrofusion (1970s - 1980s/2000s) does not explicitly ≠ Afrobeats (2000s/2010s), as well as obvious as per times of emergence and stipulated stylistic origins/influences. To conclude and addressing you as the most probable editor to possibly do this since you created the afrobeats article this aspect, the "undeletable/ ongoing" re-direct should be be deleted. Additionally, one cannot explicitly title afrobeats as afrofusion and even as other name in the infobox parameter, too would be confusing/misleading to readers. The hatnote appears to be the best solution. Qaqaamba ( talk ) 09:47, 17 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Neutral :The first impression I had about this article was it will be notable but on looking at the sources I began to disagree with myself. I found sources that speak about the struggles of some supposedly "Afrofusion artists", top artists claiming their musical genre was Afrofusion (even though critics address them as Afrobeats), and a few mentions of this supposed musical genre. What I didn\'t see were sources dedicated to analyzing the musical genre which I believe is fundamental to establishing it as one. If it is not deleted, it should probably be listed as a derivative of Afrobeats . HandsomeBoy ( talk ) 15:10, 17 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Based on the article, reliable primary and secondary sources, and the preceding discussion, to reiterate, it\'s apparent that while some artists may use "afrofusion" as a hypernym or term, the musical style itself predates the emergence of afrobeats in the 2000s to 2010s. It experienced a period of relative obscurity during apartheid but regained mainstream popularity in the 2000s. Categorizing afrofusion solely as a derivative of afrobeats would be illogical and  misleading to readers, given its established existence prior to the rise of afrobeats. Qaqaamba ( talk ) 16:01, 17 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] I have watched videos of Fela telling international journalists that his brand of music is Afrobeats, and he died in the 90s. Fela is also regarded as the initiator of Afrobeats, so you are very wrong to say Afrobeats started in the 2000s or 2010s. Perhaps, you should allow others participate freely in the AFD. No need reacting to all the votes with incorrect info. HandsomeBoy ( talk ) 00:23, 22 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] HandsomeBoy , please provide sources. dxneo ( talk ) 00:54, 22 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] I should provide sources for what exactly?? Someone countered some aspects of my comment with incorrect information WITHOUT SOURCES, and you are fine with that. But you aren\'t fine with my isolated points. Well for the sake of others, please read Fela Kuti you will see many sources there that talks about his connection with Afrobeats and the time he died. If you need something more concrete, please read his Britanica page that calls him "Pioneer of Afrobeats". Please leave me alone. No one is obligated to use my !vote in closing the discussion. HandsomeBoy ( talk ) 18:57, 22 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] HandsomeBoy , relax I didn\'t mean to step on your toe, your comment caught my eye and I thought if you provided sources to back your claims then this would be over. Another thing, we are discussing "Afro fusion" not afrobeats , so Fela Kuti is relevant how? dxneo ( talk ) 20:33, 22 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Dxneo , I believe you didn\'t read his comments. Handsomeboy meant that most of the supposedly afro fusion artists are always derivative of the main genre Afrobeats, which is most to everyone. Infact, their music is afro beats and there is neither a reason why there should be some wrong claim of those artists\' music being called afro fusion.  We\'re here to build an Encyclopedia and it must be "just" as neutral as possible.  — Safari Scribe Edits!  Talk!  06:04, 27 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Africa and Kenya .  dxneo ( talk ) 21:23, 17 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Relisting comment: To hear from more independent editors please Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, Star Mississippi 00:29, 18 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep : since this AfD was raised, the sourcing has greatly improved.  For example, Georgina Born\'s book, ( Born, Georgina (2022).  Music and Digital Media A planetary anthropology .  UCL Press (published 12 September 2022).  p.\xa067.  ISBN 9781800082434 .  ), which discusses the genre and its history in good detail, and a lot of newspaper and magazine articles which show that the term is used consistently and widely.  -- Slashme ( talk ) 09:47, 22 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] @ Slashme : Can you please provide a link to page 67? I believe you have access to this book since you\'ve read page 67. I am trying to read the page you claimed discusses the genre in "good detail". I can\'t access it on my end without paying a fee. Versace 1608 Wanna Talk ? 22:05, 24 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Hi Versace1608 , here is a link to p.66, where the discussion of Afro Fusion starts -- Slashme ( talk ) 14:53, 25 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Thanks for the link.  I disagree with your claim that the book discusses the genre in good detail.  As a matter of fact, the genre isn\'t discussed at all.  The four paragraphs that make up the section "Developing Afro fusion" is primarily about GidiGidi MajiMaji and Eric Wainanina\'s respective albums ( Ismarwa and Sawa Sawa ).  The author also stated that those two acts are significant figures in Kenya\'s Afro fusion scene.  Versace 1608 Wanna Talk ?  17:40, 25 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] I disagree with your statement that "the genre isn\'t discussed at all".  It talks about the institutional sponsors of Afro Fusion, the way that it\'s rooted in local culture, and the annual music festivals surrounding the genre.  Saying that it\'s primarily about those two albums seems to me to be a strange mischaracterisation of the content.  In fact, in the opening paragraph, the author says "Fostered by Nairobi\'s NGO sector and cosmopolitan middle class, and linked to the global \'world music\' circuit, Kenyan Afro-fusion is marked by an aesthetic emphasis on live instrumentation over digitally programmed accompaniments, and the attempt to \'fuse\' African aesthetics with Western popular music. It has thrived, as I will describe, on patronage from nongovernmental cultural institutions that find value in its underlying aim of cultivating a more modern \'Kenyan\' sound."  She then goes on to talk about these aspects in detail.  This goes way beyond a simple mention of the topic, and absolutely supports the notability claim.  Also, that section isn\'t the only part of the book that mentions the topic.  It\'s referred to over and over again in discussions of the work of other artists.  -- Slashme ( talk ) 13:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Well, we can both agree to disagree. The section titled "Developing Afro fusion" does not discuss Afro fusion. It talks about GidiGidi MajiMaji and Eric Wainanina\'s respective albums ( Ismarwa and Sawa Sawa ) and highlighted both artists for being significant figures in Kenya\'s Afro fusion scene. I challenge anyone here to click on the link provided by Slashme and see for yourself. Versace 1608 Wanna Talk ? 14:00, 28 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Versace1608 , please see the last two votes from ANairobian and myself on why this shouldn\'t have even made it to AfD. dxneo ( talk ) 14:54, 28 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Your opinion is your opinion and isn\'t superior to mines. I\'ve read all of the keep votes in this AFD and they aren\'t convincing in my opinion. I will not lose sleep if the article is kept or deleted. I have participated in tons of AFD in the past that did not end up the way I wanted it to end. Versace 1608 Wanna Talk ? 15:02, 28 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Ok. dxneo ( talk ) 15:10, 28 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Toadette Edit! 16:39, 26 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete : This is an article about music. However, looking at the discussion per se, it looks like the normal "Nigeria vs Ghana", ..vs South Africa", etc. On a note, Afro fusion does exist but for the article, it has so many claims even the ones removed and it alleges or neither shows it was written from a personal point of view (just like fans of Cristiano Ronaldo and fans of Lionel Messi will do to both article). There is only one way out: deletion to neutrality and a fundamental rewrite which should pass AFC and being to NPP. Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 17:16, 26 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep per Slashme. There is sufficient coverage in WP:RS as per the sources cited by other editors, and the article meets our notability guidelines . However, I would suggest renaming to Afro fusion (music) to differentiate it from Afro fusion (cuisine) when created, as an editor noted above. Tamsier ( talk ) 18:48, 26 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Tamsier , renaming will be discussed separately after this AfD is closed and if/when the cuisine is created. dxneo ( talk ) 19:21, 26 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Tamsier , even if this should be closed as keep, it remains the primary topic and I can\'t find much research of the "cuisine". Until then, let\'s focus on AFD. — Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 06:06, 27 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] I agree with Tamsier , we can maybe change Afro fusion into a disambiguation article pointing to Afro fusion (music) , Afro fusion (dance) and Afro fusion (cuisine) . -- Slashme ( talk ) 09:50, 28 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Slashme , you can always create Afro fusion (disambiguation) and all of them in there, just like " No Love " and No Love (disambiguation) .  dxneo ( talk ) 10:23, 28 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep : Per Slashme , why should it be deleted just so it can be recreated?  SafariScribe ?  If it isn\'t neutral then {{ clean up }} and {{ re-write }} is required.  dxneo ( talk ) 10:28, 28 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep : While this article may still have potential for improvement, it is sufficiently referenced in WP:RS to meet WP:GNG .  It also seems to be generally written in a WP:NPOV .   Hence, the discussion should be about how to improve it, rather than whether to keep it.  ANairobian ( talk ) 12:11, 28 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article\'s talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.'</li><li>'Shiny and Oh So Bright Tour : Refs are a mix of routine coverage and band specific content.  scope_creep Talk 19:13, 10 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The coverage is not “routine”, it is information from various journalists that attended the shows and reported on what took place, and how those shows resonated so deeply with the audience.   Furthermore, other of my references go into detail on band history and such, pointing as to why the tour itself was as important as it was.  Squishedargarine ( talk ) 19:48, 10 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Music and Events .  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:36, 10 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment - I was the one who added a notability tag and raised concerns on the talk page.  Yes, there are some reliable sources that have reported on the tour, but I\'m not sure it meets NTOUR\'s " Sources that merely establish that a tour happened are not sufficient to demonstrate notability " clause.  Most sources are pretty basic "this tour is happening with this lineup" and most content is already better written at the respective band and album articles.  I\'m leaning towards it failing WP:MERGEREASON \'s redundancy clauses.  Sergecross73 msg me 23:55, 10 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, ✗ plicit 23:31, 17 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Redirect Article fails WP:NTOUR and WP:GNG .  In my honest opinion, I would say that the tour would be at best, mentioned on the album article that the tour is in support of (minus the tour dates) as well as on the band\'s article.  HorrorLover555 ( talk ) 20:04, 19 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The sources provided for the tour’s information pass WP:NTOUR given how in depth they go towards the band’s artistic choices on this tour, and the significance of it to the fanbase.   As for WP:GNG , I fail to see how the article doesn’t check all of those boxes.  Squishedargarine ( talk ) 21:41, 21 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, Cabayi ( talk ) 09:54, 25 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Would like to point out one more time that the sources for this article largely go in depth on the subject and provide detailed information on various aspects of this tour and its importance.   Not to mention the overall importance of this tour, how it has affected the band since, and how much mainstream coverage/attention this tour was given.  Squishedargarine ( talk ) 04:11, 31 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] You have made your point. , folk can read it.  Your starting to WP:BLUDGEON folk.  scope_creep Talk 07:55, 31 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment It is a carefully and well-written article (which a lot of time has gone into).  I am not offended by it (there is no PROMO here as the tour is long done).  There should be more discussion on the core refs that make (or break) this AfD.  For example, this Smashing Pumpkins’ mammoth NYC ‘Shiny And Oh So Bright’ show is a nostalgic, emotional and full-hearted trip from NME seems good?  Aszx5000 ( talk ) 10:09, 2 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  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| 0     | <ul><li>"Matt Hannaford: much of the article seems to be either original research, or things Matt has been only involved with tangentially (like stars his coworkers at the company represented).  this could be improved if the article met WP:BIO , but even that seems doubtful.  Free Realist 9 ( talk ) 13:03, 18 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople and Sportspeople .  Free Realist 9 ( talk ) 13:03, 18 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions .  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 13:27, 18 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions .  Let'srun ( talk ) 22:49, 20 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, L iz Read!  Talk!  07:44, 25 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page."</li><li>"Vishwapriya Nagar: No sources in the article and no reliable sources could be found.  Broc ( talk ) 11:54, 16 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and India .  Broc ( talk ) 11:54, 16 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete .  One (unreliable) source from youtube but that too shows that the content is unavailable.  Absence of sources makes this article fail wp:n .  RangersRus ( talk ) 13:27, 16 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete fails to meet WP:NGEO - MPGuy2824 ( talk ) 06:24, 18 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Changing my mind.  This doesn't meet NGEO, but as an AtD, it can be Redirect ed to Bangalore .  - MPGuy2824 ( talk ) 02:27, 19 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] ...where Vishwapriya Nagar is not mentioned.  Geschichte ( talk ) 09:07, 30 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Relisting comment: Thoughts on redirecting?  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, NotAGenious ( talk ) 14:40, 23 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment : I don't think it should be redirected, there is no mention of this neighborhood anywhere.  I know redirects are cheap, but they should be meaningful too.  -- Broc ( talk ) 19:28, 23 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] delete Neighborhoods and the like should not be redirected to enclosing geography unless there is meaningful discussion of them, and in this case the target article doesn't mention neighborhoods at all.  Mangoe ( talk ) 20:51, 26 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete - no need to redirect - this is OR, and will live on in its Kannada incarnation.  Llajwa ( talk ) 21:06, 26 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page."</li><li>"Golam Rabby: Also, it doesn't have WP:SIGCOV that could pass WP:GNG .  — MdsShakil ( talk ) 12:07, 21 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People , Authors , Journalism ,  and Bangladesh .  — MdsShakil ( talk ) 12:07, 21 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Radio and Television .  WC Quidditch ☎ ✎ 19:47, 21 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete - per nom.  Doesn't pass GNG as it lacks significant coverage.  PhilKnight ( talk ) 16:54, 24 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete There seems to be No Reliable Sources.  Untamed1910 ( talk ) 14:45, 21 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete - not notable.  Llajwa ( talk ) 20:43, 25 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete per nom.  Doesn't pass WP:GNG .  -- আফতাবুজ্জামান ( talk ) 20:45, 26 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete per nom Devokewater | (tαlk) 20:52, 26 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  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| 2     | <ul><li>'Timeline of Bharat Jodo Yatra: Bharat Jodo Yatra exists, and there\'s no reason for timeline to exist other than as "dumping content".  Last merge discussion was opposed and ended in No consensus with the only reasoning being it was "written with effort" Soni ( talk ) 04:54, 18 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politics and India .  Soni ( talk ) 04:54, 18 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Courtesy link to previous merge discussion .  - MPGuy2824 ( talk ) 05:27, 18 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions .  WC Quidditch ☎ ✎ 06:10, 18 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete Merge to Bharat Jodo Yatra .  I do not see why timeline needs to have a separate page when timeline segment is included in Bharat_Jodo_Yatra#Timeline .  This page is WP:CFORK .  RangersRus ( talk ) 14:14, 18 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] For what it\'s worth, I think even that timeline section probably breaks WP:NOTNEWS and needs to be removed, refactored or otherwise severely reduced.  But that\'s another discussion for Talk:Bharat Jodo Yatra Soni ( talk ) 07:49, 19 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete or Merge Not a political student but there\'s already a Schedule section in Bharat Jodo Yatra .  I don\'t think it needs its own page for a timeline, as it could be effectively merged into the Bharat Jodo Yatra page.  Based Kashmiri ( talk ) 06:50, 19 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article\'s talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.'</li><li>'Captain Miller (soundtrack): Five singles were released from the film and nothing else.  The music section at Captain Miller (film) should certainly suffice.  J04n ( talk page ) 15:11, 2 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Albums and songs and India .  J04n ( talk page ) 15:11, 2 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Merge to Captain Miller (film) .  I think the nominator is correct about what went wrong in the first AfD last week.  There are indeed plenty of sources but they are about individual songs that have emerged from the film.  None indicate that this collection of songs will be released as a stand-alone soundtrack album.  In other words, we can confirm that the songs exist, but the article under discussion here has been set up as an album article so that is what needs to be confirmed in the sources.  Until that happens, the songs can be described at the film\'s article.  --- DOOMSDAYER 520 ( TALK | CONTRIBS ) 15:31, 2 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions .  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 15:36, 2 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the list of Tamil Nadu-related deletion discussions .  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 15:36, 2 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Allow me to ping @ Hey man im josh , Wcquidditch , Geschichte , Kailash29792 ,  and Ozzie10aaaa : and Tame Rhino .  I may only speak for myself but nobody said the article was about an album ; it\'s a detailed page about the soundtrack and that soundtrack received coverage.  I still think a keep is OK, and although I am still not opposed to redirect, see my comment at last Afd about it.  Still opposed to deletion anyway, as nominator and Doomsdayer520 also seem to be, if I understand well.  In general, I don\'t think that such speedy renominations are a good idea unless there\'s a really urgent problem, but maybe that\'s just me.  If we are looking for a relevant guideline, maybe WP:Notability (music)#Unreleased material applies, that states "Unreleased material (including demos, mixtapes, bootlegs, promo-only recordings, and related items) is only notable if it has significant independent coverage in reliable sources."  Which seems to be the case.  But one can also consider the music was released as part of the film.  Music in Indian cinema has, as everyone knows, a quite specific role.  I am not shocked by a standalone detailed article here.  - My, oh my!  (Mushy Yank) 19:02, 2 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note : the infoboxes of the article and the main page about the film do indeed indicate "Album"; but that can be easily corrected.  A note can even be added indicating that no album was released, only singles. - My, oh my!  (Mushy Yank) 19:11, 2 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] keep per Mushy Yank (I believe it is OK as well)-- Ozzie10aaaa ( talk ) 19:39, 2 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Relisting comment: For some policy based input Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, Star Mississippi 17:38, 9 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment from nominator: merger to Captain Miller (film) is the ideal outcome.  The page is written as if there is a soundtrack album which there is not, just 5 singles that have been released from the film.  I do not believe that reworking the page and titling it \'Music from Captain Miller (film)\' is appropriate.  The majority of the sources are reviews for the film that merely mention the music or announcements of the release of one of the singles.  J04n ( talk page ) 17:10, 11 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Further comment: as to WP:Notability (music)#Unreleased material , there is no significant coverage of the soundtrack as I detailed above.  J04n ( talk page ) 17:13, 11 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] I already voted and I\'m the outlier, but I will agree with J04n again.  The "keep" voters above have provided no convincing evidence that this is an album .  An album is a stand-alone item that qualifies for a Wikipedia article if notable, but a group of songs with a common association are not an album or any other stand-alone item.  Therefore we have a violation of the unreleased material guideline because no album has been described as something that has been or will be released .  --- DOOMSDAYER 520 ( TALK | CONTRIBS ) 19:49, 13 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, The Herald (Benison) ( talk ) 03:26, 17 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Merge to the film article as above.  As a general proposition I\'m not in favor of speedy renoms, but it is not disruptive in this case, and I do agree that the previous discussion failed to grapple with the core issue.  The article is engaged in a bit of OR by presenting this as an album - it is the collected released songs from the film, and should be presented as such at that article.  I see no sourcing that deals with the music collectively apart from the film, so we should not be the first to make that distinction.  Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 03:26, 25 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article\'s talk page or in a deletion review ).  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However that source does not appear to be independent of the subject.  Tar nis hed Path talk 07:46, 25 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The article's coordinates are wrong (35S instead of 37S).  If this is a legitimate paved airfield I don't have as strong an argument for deletion or against merging.  Reywas92 Talk 14:50, 25 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  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| 6     | <ul><li>"Slávka Frniaková: I am also nominating fellow Slovakia women's basketball teammates at said tournament for the same reason, except Zuzana Žirková, as most of them seem to fall under BLP1E : Martina Godályová ( edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views ) Renáta Hiráková ( edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views ) Dagmar Huťková ( edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views ) Marcela Kalistová ( edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views ) Anna Kotočová ( edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views ) Alena Kováčová ( edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views ) Lívia Libičová ( edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views ) Jana Lichnerová ( edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views ) Martina Luptáková ( edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views ) Katarína Poláková ( edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views ) ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:10, 10 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople , Women , Basketball , Olympics ,  and Slovakia .  ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:10, 10 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note : I have fixed this nomination, where {{ subst:afd2 }} was being stopped by an unclosed {{ la }} .  No opinion at this time.  WC Quidditch ☎ ✎ 10:50, 10 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Basketball is a popular and very well-covered sport.  I would be shocked if all of these were lacking coverage.  For that reason, nominating Olympic basketball players en masse is not a good idea.  Suggest procedural keep with the possibility of individual renominations.  BeanieFan11 ( talk ) 15:24, 10 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] None of these are BLP1E as well.  All of them had significant accomplishments in order to get to the Olympics .  E.g. Martina Godalyova (randomly selected) was a 12-time national champion in multiple countries and led MBK Ružomberok to consecutive EuroLeague Women championships.  I suspect many, maybe even a majority, would be notable, the issue is finding digitized 1990s Slovakian newspapers...  BeanieFan11 ( talk ) 15:32, 10 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Another one, Anna Kotočová , competed at two further Olympics and was inducted into the French Basketball Hall of Fame !  BeanieFan11 ( talk ) 18:05, 10 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] As a start, keep the following: Kotočová (1988, 1992 and 2000 Olympian); Luptáková and Hiráková (1992 and 2000 Olympian); Lichnerová (played in the WNBA); Kováčová (won the Euroleague in 2005-06).  This is on the presumption of coverage, yes, but I'll let that fly as the nomination is too large to handle them all anyway.  Plus, Beaniefan started digging up some things.  I have no opinion on the rest of the players yet, though I have a general opinion: Bundled nominations almost always fail nowadays and should be removed as a feature in AFD, actually.  They are nothing but a waste of time.  Geschichte ( talk ) 21:40, 10 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Disagree with this generalization, but as things go the bigger the bulk, the less likely it will pass muster.  Let'srun ( talk ) 04:05, 11 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Happy to keep Kotočová, Luptáková, Hiráková, and Lichner then.  Not sure about the other players.  ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 09:05, 11 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep all : After a spot review, several of these players appear to at the very least not fall into WP:BLP1E and may potentially be notable under WP:BIO .  No prejudice against speedy renominating individual players.  Let'srun ( talk ) 04:04, 11 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Clariniie , it doesn't appear like the articles in this bundled nomination have been tagged for this AFD or that this AFD discussion has been formatted correctly which makes it invalid.  Have you informed all of the article creators of this discussion?  Bundled nominations are tricky so please follow all of the instructions at WP:AFD for a bundled nomination, especially regarding formatting.  L iz Read!  Talk!  04:26, 11 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] @ Liz : I usually informed article creators about the nomination.  However, since this might be my first time making bundled nominations, I didn't notice the other pages listed weren't nominated.  ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 09:05, 11 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep All – Comment from the nominator: At the time of my WP:BEFORE check, I did not notice that several women from this nomination have received independent coverage.  Generally, there is a consensus that the players listed here should end up as redirect.  I was told that pretty much of my AfD nominations look seriously ill thought out, so I am going to withdraw this AfD.  ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:47, 13 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page."</li><li>"Where's that damn fourth Chaos Emerald?: Non-notable quotation, no specific page on Wikiquote, no inbound wiki-links.  Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy ; Andy's edits 14:09, 29 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions .  WC Quidditch ☎ ✎ 17:59, 29 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete per nom.  QuicoleJR ( talk ) 18:21, 29 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment This was originally a redirect to Shadow the Hedgehog (video game) where this phrase is mentioned in one of the footnotes as being a memorable line in the game.  Should this just be reverted back to its original state?  L iz Read!  Talk!  18:56, 29 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Procedural speedy close Per WP:WRONGFORUM .  This is not an article, redirects go to WP:RFD to be discussed, not here.  ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ ) 19:18, 29 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Speedy close : Per WP:WRONGFORUM and Zxcvbnm.  Pizzaplayer219 Talk Contribs 12:48, 30 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Procedural close and send to RfD as a WP:WRONGFORUM .  – dudhhr talk contribs she her 22:00, 31 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Speedy close Per WP:WRONGFORUM , send to WP:RFD Questions?  four OLIfanofmrtennant (she/her) 18:23, 3 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page."</li><li>"High school basketball : Do high school teams meet the general notability guidelines?  Certainly some professional players rose from the ranks in high school, but is the high school bracket noteworthy for an encyclopedia?  I'm not going to say it isn't.  It's just that this article is one sentence long and doesn't really justify its own page.  It's as brief as a dictionary entry.   — Paper\xa0Luigi T • C 04:54, 11 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Redirect back to Basketball#High school basketball .  High school basketball had been a redirect there from 2007 until yesterday.  I can't completely rule out the possibility that there ought to be a separate article for high school basketball; after all, there is one for high school football .  But this article is one sentence long, shorter than the section on high school basketball in the Basketball article.  If editors think there ought to be a separate article about high school basketball, they should prepare it as a draft and then move it to articlespace, rather than creating a one-sentence article and hoping that it will be better someday.  -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:55, 11 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions .  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 05:57, 11 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the list of Basketball-related deletion discussions .  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 05:57, 11 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions .  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 05:57, 11 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions .  WC Quidditch ☎ ✎ 08:05, 11 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep — High school basketball had a major impact on 20th century American culture and has probably thousands or millions of high-quality citations from reliable independent third-party sources, plainly meeting WP:GNG .  The articles written about Hoosiers alone are enough to complete the article.  Pretty massive oversight for Wikipedia to not have this article until 2024.  Please remember that WP:Deletion is not cleanup and the current stub status of the article after one day of existance has no relevance to its notability.  All deletion arguments against this article are WP:SURMOUNTABLE .  PK-WIKI ( talk ) 17:19, 11 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] I agree that it has left a very large imprint on culture in North America, and this article has much potential as a secondary topic for Basketball .  Given the article's short length, it should be heavily expanded to include everything at Basketball#High school basketball and then some.  The issue is that this article was created over a redirect that pointed to Basketball#High school basketball , which is more comprehensive on the subject than this one, and until there's interest in writing a full-length article, this would really be better as a redirect.  I am going to withdraw this nomination and place a cleanup tag on the page.   — Paper\xa0Luigi T • C 22:12, 11 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  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| 7     | <ul><li>"Otto von Helldorff: Fails WP:GNG and WP:NPOL .  Jalen Folf (talk) 19:33, 26 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians and Germany .  Jalen Folf (talk) 19:33, 26 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep: Are you sure he doesn't meet WP:NPOL as a member of the Reichstag (German Empire) for what looks like 16 years?  That looks like an NPOL position to me.  TulsaPoliticsFan ( talk ) 19:37, 26 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep : Beyond the clear NPOL pass, the article also contains sources providing WP:SIGCOV , most clearly this entry in Deutsche Biographie , with sources like [8] and [9] providing pretty good supplementary coverage as well.  Curbon7 ( talk ) 19:50, 26 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] He also appears to have an entry in the book Biographisches Handbuch der Abgeordneten des Norddeutschen Reichstages, des Zollparlaments und der Deutschen Reichstage 1867-1918 (Biographical Handbook of the Members of the North German Reichstag, the Customs Parliament and the German Reichstag 1867-1918) by Heinrich Best [ de ] , but the book does not appear to be digitized and the weblink for his entry is a permanent dead link.  Curbon7 ( talk ) 19:54, 26 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep .  The references already in the article constitute WP:SIGCOV .  As TulsaPoliticsFan pointed out, as a member of the German Empire's parliament, he passes WP:NPOL .  Eastmain ( talk • contribs ) 20:03, 26 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Also, the German Wikipedia lists several people at de:Heinrich_von_Helldorff who probably pass the English Wikipedia's notability standards.  One is Otto's father, I think.  Those German articles are probably worth translating, although I'm not volunteering to do the translations.  Eastmain ( talk • contribs ) 20:10, 26 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page."</li><li>"Ihavandhoo Health Centre: Not enough WP:SIGCOV found on a WP:BEFORE .  WikiOriginal-9 ( talk ) 05:01, 13 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations , Medicine ,  and Maldives .  WC Quidditch ☎ ✎ 05:11, 13 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  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| 5     | <ul><li>'Ajit Singh Bhati: One source is the book of an academic named Javaid Rahi , who is not independent because he is a Gujjar academic who only writes praise in his publications.  Second, it is unknown whether these kings existed or were imaginary.  Some such articles were created in the last two to three days using the Gazetteer as a source, but there is no mention of these names in it.  This nomination is also for: Dargahi Singh Bhati Shambhujit Singh Bhati .  You can see a short discussion here on my talk.  DreamRimmer ( talk ) 17:00, 14 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People and India .  Hey man im josh ( talk ) 17:03, 14 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Hello,@ DreamRimmer @ Hey man im josh I have made some improvement and I have putt many references from independent sources/ Reliable sources written by various different writers please check the article pages that you have taged for deletions including Dargahi Singh Bhati , Shambhujit Singh Bhati , and Ajit Singh Bhati .  I think these articles do not meet the criteria for deletion, as many reliable sources have already been added.  أسامة بن عبد الله وليد ( talk ) 18:34, 14 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] I can\'t see anything significant in these sources either.  DreamRimmer ( talk ) 03:30, 15 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] @ DreamRimmer Okay, sir, no problem.  I\'ll always try to do my best, and other editors can also do their best.  But if you think your first claim has not been cleared, as you said such characters are imaginary first, and you also said these pages are entirely based on the work of Javaid Rahi, I have already cleared these claims by putting more than 4 to 5 references from independent and reliable sources, so there should be no more excuses because such sources have been written by different writers that have nothing to do with these characters, so such claims do not meet the criteria for deletions of the articles of Dargahi Singh Bhati , Shambujit Singh Bhati , and Ajit Singh Bhati .  أسامة بن عبد الله وليد ( talk ) 19:38, 15 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] @ Spiderone @ أسامة بن عبد الله وليد @ Scottywong Oppose the deletions Request = Do not meet the criteria for deletion as this page has multiple primary sources and secondary sources exist on the article pages of Dargahi Singh Bhati and Ajit Singh Bhati and shambhujit Singh Bhati .  103.172.167.25 ( talk ) 17:01, 24 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Struck sock ! vote.  Abecedare ( talk ) 17:23, 1 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History , Royalty and nobility , Hinduism , Haryana ,  and Uttar Pradesh .  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:42, 14 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Info - Note to closer for soft deletion : This nomination has had limited participation and falls within the standards set for lack of quorum .  There are no previous AfD discussions, undeletions, or current redirects and no previous PRODs have been located.  This nomination may be eligible for soft deletion at the end of its 7-day listing.  Logs : 2023-06 ✍️ create -- Cewbot ( talk ) 00:02, 22 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —\u2060Scotty Wong \u2060— 05:48, 23 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep all : Now that sources have been added verifying that they really existed, they are presumed to be notable per Wikipedia:POLITICIAN . -- StellarHalo ( talk ) 07:37, 29 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment – Dadri is wrongly mentioned as a princely state in the three articles, although it was an estate.  And the subject of this AfD (Ajit Singh) was its muqarraridār , i.e. he occupied it by paying a fixed revenue rate to the British.  As of now, Dirk H. A. Kolff \'s source is the sole reliable source cited in these three articles.  It has nontrivial coverage about Ajit Singh Bhati , but Shambhujit Singh Bhati and Dargahi Singh Bhati have a combined coverage of around 5 lines in it ( see p. 149 ).  So it seems these two don\'t need standalone articles and should be covered in some other article.  Maybe for now a paragraph about the Dadri estate can be added in Dadri#History where both of them can also be covered/redirected.  The Kolff\'s source doesn\'t mention their surname as Bhati.  So all three pages are needed to be renamed as well.  Some details about Javed Rahi\'s unreliable book The Javaid Rahi\'s source is cited in all three articles.  But it is edited by Javaid Rahi, a Gurjar activist who specialises in Kashmiri languages.  So he is not even a historian.  More importantly, the author (Rana Ali Hussan Chouhan) of the cited pages was not even a scholar.  He was a civil engineer belonging to the Gurjar caste himself.  So this is a non-scholarly and non-HISTRS source, which is not reliable for history-related details.  BTW, the details of the author (Chauhan) are mainly available on Gurjar promo sites , although his nephew also mentions in this interview that Chauhan was a civil engineer in Pakistan Public Works Department .  Note that the 400-plus pages of Rahi\'s book, i.e. pp. 243–728 , are authored by this Gurjar engineer.  As expected from a nonscholar, the content is full of fringe theories, e.g. Kolff\'s source mentions (on page no. 151 ) that the subject of this AfD (Ajit Singh) died in 1812: " On 4 October 1812, Rao Ajit Singh died without issue. " But as per Chauhan (see page no. 590 ), Ajit Singh took part in the Indian Rebellion of 1857 : " Raja Ajit Singh had a vast territory but he was not granted a ‘Treaty Pact’ so Bhatis revolted vociferously in 1857. Consequently Raja Ajit Singh died fighting. " The rest of the sources are century-old unreliable gazetteers authored by British Raj officers or the nonscholarly government documents which plagiarise those gazetteers.  None of them are reliable for history-related details – see WP:RAJ , WP:SCHOLARSHIP , WP:HISTRS .  In short, Ajit Singh Bhati seems notable, but Shambhujit Singh Bhati and Dargahi Singh Bhati should be redirected.  Note that this observation is mainly based on the cited sources of the three articles and I have yet to make an independent search about the subjects.  - NitinMlk ( talk ) 22:22, 29 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Rebuttal to NitinMlk\'s analysis of sources from أسامة بن عبد الله وليد and tangents about other articles signed, Rosguill talk 04:11, 8 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The following discussion has been closed.  Please do not modify it.  Oppose the false claim @ NitinMlk I do respect your concern, but first of all, These articles are largely dependent on independent sources written by different writers, not on Javed Rahi\'s or Rana Ali Hassan Chauhan\'s.  The second thing is that where Dargahi Singh Bhati and Shambu Singh (Shambhujit Singh) are mentioned as bhati, they are also clearly mentioned in the Quotes given from the citations.  And also go and check; there are many references that Dadri\'s rulers were Bhati Gujjar and Bhati Gujjar clan clearly mentioned in the Quotes given from the citations, and I am the creator of Ajit Singh Bhati (also known as Rao Jit Singh Bhati) and Shambujit Singh Bhati (Also known as Shambu Singh) Singh Bhati\'s pages.  So it\'s a wrong claim that Dadri\'s rulers were not Bhati Gujjar\'s second statements regarding Javaid Rahi or Rana Ali Hassan Chauhan because their references are not mentioned as first sources in the body of the article.  If you have some problems with the Citations given by Javaid Rahi\'s book, Can be removed, but Bhati Gujjar is clearly mentioned by many independent historians.  but if you have some issues why These characters mentioned as Bhati Gujjar go and read the Quote given from Refrences and also try to read these Refrences some are free or some are paid where Rulers of Dadri estate or Dadri\'s rulers clearly mentioned as Bhati Gujjar.  Thank you so much for leaving your concern and being kind.  ✝️✝️🕊️ Have a nice day Brother @ NitinMlk .  أسامة بن عبد الله وليد ( talk ) 04:00, 30 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] أسامة بن عبد الله وليد , you misunderstood my comment.  All three subjects were of course Gurjars belonging to the Bhati clan.  I didn\'t even contest that fact.  My comment was about WP:COMMONNAME , which simply means that if most of the reliable sources refer to the subject of this article as, let\'s say, Rao Ajit Singh, then that will be the Wikipedia article\'s title.  BTW, Kolff\'s source refers to him as Rao Ajit Singh, which also seems like his WP:COMMONNAME.  - NitinMlk ( talk ) 21:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, L iz Read!  Talk!  05:13, 30 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Duplicate ! votes, more arguments about other articles signed, Rosguill talk 04:11, 8 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The following discussion has been closed.  Please do not modify it.  Oppose @ Liz @ NitinMlk First of all, there is not a single reference.  From the work of Rana Ali Hassan Chauhan, then why have you mentioned his work?  The second thing is that, According to your claim, Dadri was not a princely state but an estate.  Does it matter or meet the criteria for deliberation?  Instead of providing any reliable source, you just try to make lame excuses by talking about Rana Ali Hassan Chauhan, even though there is not a single citation from his book and his books are not reachable digitally.  You also talk about redirecting these pages to the Dadri town article, but why?  Why not write a new article on Dadri estate or Dadri princely state in the future by citing reliable sources?  You also claimed that Dirk H.A. Kolff just talked about Bhatti Gujjar in six lines.  That\'s not the truth.  I am leaving the Reference to Dirk H.A. Kolff.  Book go and Read carefully.  He talked about Dadri\'s rulers as Bhatti Gujjar, and he also talked about Dargahi Singh Bhati , Ajit Singh Bhati , and Shambujit Singh Bhati see this Reference on pages 138, 148, 461, 462, and 641.  [a] 103.191.123.67 ( talk ) 08:49, 30 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Struck sock ! vote.  Abecedare ( talk ) 17:23, 1 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Firstly, you mentioned that Rana Ali Hassan Chauhan is not cited in the articles in question.  But that\'s not true, as he is cited in all three articles even now: see Ajit Singh Bhati\'s ref no. 4 and 6 ; Shambhujit Singh Bhati\'s ref no. 4 and 7 ; and Dargahi Singh Bhati\'s ref no. 4 .  All of them cite page no. 589 and/or page no. 590 , which are authored by Rana Ali Hassan Chauhan.  Secondly, I never " claimed that Dirk H.A. Kolff just talked about Bhatti Gujjar in six lines. " I mentioned that Kolff\'s source " has nontrivial coverage about Ajit Singh Bhati, but Shambhujit Singh Bhati and Dargahi Singh Bhati have a combined coverage of around 5 lines in it (see p. 149). " Thirdly, Dadri was never a princely state .  So I pointed out that mistake, as estates and princely states are two different things.  You can read princely state to know more about it.  Fourthly, I mentioned, " Maybe for now a paragraph about the Dadri estate can be added in Dadri#History where both of them can also be covered/redirected. " But of course if a well-sourced article about Dadri estate is created in the future, then these two subjects can be covered there.  Finally, please don\'t reply without reading my previous and this comment very carefully.  Thanks.  - NitinMlk ( talk ) 21:52, 30 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] @ NitinMlk •1st Dear brother you\'re not trying to understand the base of our conversation.  First of all you\'re absolutely wrong and not using Comman sense that any refrences from the work of Rana Ali Hassan chauhan not mentioned in any citations at all.  Brother do your research and home work again clear your confusion first or provide solid proofs that any writer mentioned in their books that they\'re writing about these characters by considering first refrences from the work of Rana Ali Hassan chauhan simple.  • 2nd thing is that all your false claims now have clear because Raj Era sources all I have removed.  • 3rd claim That Dadri\'s rulers never mentioned as bhatti this claim Also proven wrong and this article not dependent on the work of Javaid Rahi and Rana Ali Hassan chauhan totally wrong claim without any mention of these writers in the books of Dirk H.A Kolff or other Writers as refrences.  • 4th thing is that you totally try to manipulate the conversation by putting small excuses like oh!  This was not a princely state but a Estate okay no problem but this small excuses can not meet the criteria for deletions.  • 5th read your previous comment again you said Dirk H.A Kolff only talk in 6 lines I have mentioned 5 to 6 pages where Dirk Kolf clearly mentioned about Dargahi Singh Bhati and Bhati Gujjar clan and Rulers of Dadri as Bhati same things also have done by all other historians.  • 6th Go and read citation research again Not any author of these books Used Rana Ali Hassan chauhan\'s work as first sources or they don\'t even talk or mentioned the name of Rana Ali Hassan chauhan.  • 7th thing is that it is not necessary to put In Dadri\'s town article about Dadri estate of Bhati Gujjar and by saying that you also point out that these two pages Dargahi Singh or Shambu Singh should redirect to Dargahi\'s town article at what bases brother? .  You said because these two characters don\'t have Coverage in dirk Kolf or other\'s work you\'re wrong I have mentioned 6 pages from Dirk H.A Kolff\'s Book he talked about Dargahi Singh Bhati also Shambu Singh bhati Even he talked about Rao Roshan Singh Bhati but the link that I have provided is a paid work of Dirk H.A Kolff we can not entirely get access to his work without paying.  •8th Dadri\'s was an independent state established by Dargahi Singh Bhati, Ruled by Rao Roshan Singh Bhati, Umrao Singh Bhati, shambujit Singh Bhati, Amra Singh Bhati they all belonged to one monarchy and one family of Bhati Gujjar clan.  Refrences given in the article will decided such characters have more or less coverage.  Brother Your lame excuses like Dargahi Singh or Ajit Singh Bhati never signed a treaty with britishers etc and They paid tribute to Britishers such excuses are irrelevant here and Dadri was a princely state or just a estate also doesn\'t matter here.  Totally irrelevant to the topic of Deletions discussion.  • 9th thing you should have to accept the fact that your claims like Dadri\'s rulers never mentioned as bhatti have already cleared, Britishers never Singh a treaty, these pages dependent on Javaid Rahi or Rana Ali Hassan chauhan\'s work also proven wrong, shambu singh Bhati and Dargahi Singh Bhati don\'t have Coverage also proven wrong by the given refrences and RAJ Era sources triggered you so I have removed all.  Brother I am leaving best wishes and love for you and also mentioning the articles of Umrao Singh Bhati , Dargahi Singh Bhati , Shambhujit Singh Bhati , and Ajit Singh Bhati these 4 Rulers belonged to one monarchy one Gujjar family of Bhati clan.  Amra Singh Bhati , Roshan Singh Bhati and some other Rulers from this monarchy have not yet any articles.  Have nice day 😊 brother before claims must bring solid proofs! .  @ Liz @ StellarHalo @ Scottywong أسامة بن عبد الله وليد ( talk ) 01:06, 1 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] see Ajit Singh Bhati\'s ref no. 4 and 6; Shambhujit Singh Bhati\'s ref no. 4 and 7; and Dargahi Singh Bhati\'s ref no. 4.  All of them cite page no. 589 and/or page no. 590, which are authored by Rana Ali Hassan Chauhan.  You\'re absolutely wrong here.  If Javaid Rahi in his book or any other writer doesn\'t even talk about Rana Ali Hassan Chauhan\'s work/book or doesn\'t even mention at the bottom line of the page that these references they take from the work\\Book of Rana Ali Hassan Chauhan, then on what basis are you wasting your time, Brother?  Please don\'t reply, brother, if you don\'t have any solid proof that any writer mentioned that they\'re talking on behalf of Rana Ali Hassan Chauhan\'s work.  Simply use Coman Sense.  أسامة بن عبد الله وليد ( talk ) 01:16, 1 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] No need to ping me.  This is just one of hundreds of AFDs that are open right now.  What we really need is to hear from other editors.  You\'ve said your peace, let others weigh in.  This is a process of consensus building, not which editor can be the most persistent.  L iz Read!  Talk!  07:59, 1 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note to closer : I have blocked أسامة بن عبد الله وليد for a week for abusive sockpuppetry and struck two oppose ! votes they cast while logged out ( WP:DUCK ).  Abecedare ( talk ) 17:23, 1 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Draftify per the current state of the article.  Chamaemelum ( talk ) 03:09, 8 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Relisting comment: Let\'s have a relist not overwhelmed by walls of text from a sockpuppet Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 04:05, 8 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep all : As the additional sources that have been added since the article\'s creation, making sure that they truly fulfil the criteria for Notability and should be included there at main space.  Good Faith أسامة بن عبد الله وليد ( talk ) 09:27, 11 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Relisting comment: I don\'t see any consensus here.  But, speaking as an uninvolved bystander, perhaps a move to Draft space would alleviate some concerns about sourcing.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, L iz Read!  Talk!  05:08, 15 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article\'s talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.'</li><li>"Manikanta Belde (author): Fram ( talk ) 16:39, 20 September 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People , Authors ,  and India .  Fram ( talk ) 16:39, 20 September 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the list of Telangana-related deletion discussions .  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 16:47, 20 September 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] ' Procedural note This article was created by a large WP:UPE sockfarm that I'm in the process of untangling. I've speedy deleted it per WP:CSD#G11 .-- Ponyo bons mots 20:30, 21 September 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page."</li><li>"European Football Coach of the Season: There are no authoritative sources about such an award from UEPS and AEJ.  Mitte27 ( talk ) 17:50, 15 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions .  Mitte27 ( talk ) 17:50, 15 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople , Lists of people , Awards , Football ,  and Europe .  WC Quidditch ☎ ✎ 19:24, 15 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football 's list of association football-related deletions.  Giant Snowman 18:25, 16 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Speedy delete as hoax (G3).  Giant Snowman 18:33, 16 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] WP:G3 Shouldn't have gone to AfD.  Govvy ( talk ) 19:33, 16 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment: It is also necessary to pay attention to similar cases of hoaxes based on Volodymyr VB materials: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/European Football Coach of the Year , Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/UPI World Soccer Player of the Year Award , Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/FIFA 70th anniversary retrospective awards .  -- Mitte27 ( talk ) 06:59, 18 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete as a hoax.  Joseph 2302 ( talk ) 07:30, 18 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Speedy delete – WP:G3 .  Svartner ( talk ) 07:43, 19 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  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| 4     | <ul><li>'Judgment (Angel): This TV series doesn\'t have an individual article for every episode, so that arguement for inclusion is invalid.  In addition, the plot is already covered in the article on the show.  Donald D23 talk to me 00:43, 22 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Television and United States of America .  Donald D23 talk to me 00:43, 22 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep - This was premiere episode that had multiple reviews two of which I have added to article ( Owen, Rob . " \'Angel\' returns with high style" . Pittsburgh Post-Gazette . ), which ran in multiple papers [24] , & ( Bianculli, David . "Still plenty of life in \'Buffy,\' \'Angel\' " . New York Daily News . ).  One is joint review with Buffy premiere but both are by notable writers.  Plot could use better citations.  WikiVirus C (talk) 14:21, 27 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Redirect to List of Angel episodes#Season 2 (2000–2001) where it already has an entry.  Unneeded CFORK which fails GNG, routine entertainment synops do not show notability.  Nothing to merge, article is fancruft.  // Timothy :: talk 06:48, 28 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Redirect to List of Angel episodes#Season 2 (2000–2001) per above, where the episode is listed.  CycloneYoris talk!  23:50, 28 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment If redirect is route we go, Angel (season  2) would be a better target, as that is what is transcribed to the List of Episodes anyways.  WikiVirus C (talk) 01:04, 29 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, L iz Read!  Talk!  03:54, 29 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] * Procedural Keep User:Donaldd23 nominated 5 articles for deletion in a 6-minute period.  They have a history of not doing a proper BEFORE, and they continue to break Wikipedia policy with these nominations.  Nfitz ( talk ) 20:04, 30 April 2023 (UTC) Procedural Keep User:Donaldd23 nominated 5 articles for deletion in a 6-minute period.  They have a history of not doing a proper BEFORE, and they continue to break Wikipedia policy with these nominations.  Nfitz ( talk ) 20:03, 30 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] You are only allowed one ! vote.  Please do a proper study of Wikipedia guidelines before voting twice.  Donald D23 talk to me 21:02, 30 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Really User:Donaldd23 - you want to pretend that was an attempt to vote twice, rather than an extremely obvious editing mistake; and then suggest I study the rules about voting twice?  Do you often try and mislead people in AFD discussions?  In Football they call this diving.  Nfitz ( talk ) 06:31, 4 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] BEFOREs don\'t need to be done immediately before I nominate.  I do a batch of BEFOREs and then go and nominate the articles, improve the article and remove the notability tags, or do nothing because I didn\'t find enough to either improve or delete.  Where is the policy that I am breaking by listing these deletions all at once?  Maybe you cannot do research on multiple items and then come back to Wikipedia and present your findings, but I can.  Your rationale for Keep is incorrect.  Maybe you should do a BEFORE and check my talk page where I have been THANKED for doing proper BEFOREs.  Donald D23 talk to me 20:59, 30 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] My apologies, I realise now that I was thinking of someone else.  Now I look like a dick ...  I\'ll withdraw my comment.  Nfitz ( talk ) 06:55, 4 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep WikiVirusC provides two excellent GNG references.  The Rob Owen one is particularly excellent - and was internationally syndicated, as I can find numerous copies of it in various well known North American newspapers.  Nfitz ( talk ) 07:36, 4 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Redirect The two sources added are better than most episode reviews, but they still most resemble plot summaries, and I still don’t see them as forcing need for independent pages.  These are easily includable in the season article without losing value for the reader.  The fact that so much of the lead is just basic info in prose form (repeated for each episode article) does not lead me to see a great need for the article to standalone.  In watching and following a fair few of Donald’s episode AfDs, my attitude has grown towards redirect and merge as default with only the rarest of episodes deserving solo pages.  — HTGS ( talk ) 22:20, 4 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment , a REDIRECT to the series or season page would be a viable WP:ATD Donald D23 talk to me 20:57, 6 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article\'s talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.'</li><li>"Signet_Armorlite : This is my first AfD, so I would appreciate feedback.  Thanks Itanalot ( talk ) 04:11, 19 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Article was tagged as an advert since 2011; although I could find some books, the majority are just mentions.  Otherwise, only three sources doesn't justify the article.  Fails NCORP.  Delete Toadette ( let's chat together ) 07:00, 19 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies and California .  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:01, 19 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, Eternal Shadow Talk 04:33, 26 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete the firm isn’t mentioned in the article about the firm that acquired it, Essilor , supporting the view that it was not particularly significant.  Perhaps mentioning it in the Essilor article and redirecting would be viable.  Mccapra ( talk ) 07:21, 26 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Redirect to Essilor .  बिनोद थारू ( talk ) 01:05, 2 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page."</li><li>'Magnus Ferrell: Maybe the son will become independently notable, but this hasn\'t happened yet.  BoyTheKingCanDance ( talk ) 06:03, 15 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers , Bands and musicians ,  and United States of America .  ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 06:24, 15 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions .  ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 06:24, 15 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment - This is not a ! vote, but Will Ferrell is a (kinda obvious) redirect target should there be no consensus to keep.  ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 02:23, 16 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Redirect to Will Ferrell .  The above suggestion seems like a good AtD.  Fails BLP, GNG and BIO, article and BEFORE showed nothing that meets SIGCOV from IS RS addressing the subject directly and indepth.  BEFORE showed promo, but not SIGCOV for a BLP.  WP:BLP states "Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources"\' ; BLPs need IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth for both content and notability per well known core policy ( WP:V and WP:BLP ) and guidelines ( WP:BIO and WP:IS , WP:RS , WP:SIGCOV ).  // Timothy :: talk 14:24, 20 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article\'s talk page or in a deletion review ).  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## Uses

### Direct Use for Inference

First install the SetFit library:

```bash
pip install setfit
```

Then you can load this model and run inference.

```python
from setfit import SetFitModel

# Download from the 🤗 Hub
model = SetFitModel.from_pretrained("research-dump/bge-base-en-v1.5_wikiquote_masked_outcome_prediction_masked")
# Run inference
preds = model("Mel Davis (musician) : Boleyn ( talk ) 08:47, 20 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians , Florida ,  and Pennsylvania .  WC Quidditch ☎ ✎ 12:07, 20 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, L iz Read!  Talk!  07:31, 27 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.")
```

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## Training Details

### Training Set Metrics
| Training set | Min | Median   | Max  |
|:-------------|:----|:---------|:-----|
| Word count   | 91  | 538.1143 | 8588 |

| Label | Training Sample Count |
|:------|:----------------------|
| 0     | 380                   |
| 1     | 114                   |
| 2     | 40                    |
| 3     | 45                    |
| 4     | 89                    |
| 5     | 9                     |
| 6     | 16                    |
| 7     | 7                     |

### Training Hyperparameters
- batch_size: (8, 2)
- num_epochs: (5, 5)
- max_steps: -1
- sampling_strategy: oversampling
- num_iterations: 10
- body_learning_rate: (1e-05, 1e-05)
- head_learning_rate: 5e-05
- loss: CosineSimilarityLoss
- distance_metric: cosine_distance
- margin: 0.25
- end_to_end: True
- use_amp: True
- warmup_proportion: 0.1
- l2_weight: 0.01
- seed: 42
- eval_max_steps: -1
- load_best_model_at_end: False

### Training Results
| Epoch  | Step | Training Loss | Validation Loss |
|:------:|:----:|:-------------:|:---------------:|
| 0.0006 | 1    | 0.2193        | -               |
| 0.2857 | 500  | 0.2092        | 0.1511          |
| 0.5714 | 1000 | 0.096         | 0.1589          |
| 0.8571 | 1500 | 0.0522        | 0.1896          |
| 1.1429 | 2000 | 0.032         | 0.1479          |
| 1.4286 | 2500 | 0.0263        | 0.1788          |
| 1.7143 | 3000 | 0.0216        | 0.1899          |
| 2.0    | 3500 | 0.0166        | 0.1734          |
| 2.2857 | 4000 | 0.0125        | 0.1785          |
| 2.5714 | 4500 | 0.0143        | 0.1633          |
| 2.8571 | 5000 | 0.0068        | 0.1777          |
| 3.1429 | 5500 | 0.0083        | 0.1805          |
| 3.4286 | 6000 | 0.007         | 0.2008          |
| 3.7143 | 6500 | 0.0074        | 0.2041          |
| 4.0    | 7000 | 0.0062        | 0.1854          |
| 4.2857 | 7500 | 0.0046        | 0.2046          |
| 4.5714 | 8000 | 0.0045        | 0.1947          |
| 4.8571 | 8500 | 0.0044        | 0.1929          |

### Framework Versions
- Python: 3.10.12
- SetFit: 1.1.0
- Sentence Transformers: 3.3.1
- Transformers: 4.44.1
- PyTorch: 2.2.1+cu121
- Datasets: 2.21.0
- Tokenizers: 0.19.1

## Citation

### BibTeX
```bibtex
@article{https://doi.org/10.48550/arxiv.2209.11055,
    doi = {10.48550/ARXIV.2209.11055},
    url = {https://arxiv.org/abs/2209.11055},
    author = {Tunstall, Lewis and Reimers, Nils and Jo, Unso Eun Seo and Bates, Luke and Korat, Daniel and Wasserblat, Moshe and Pereg, Oren},
    keywords = {Computation and Language (cs.CL), FOS: Computer and information sciences, FOS: Computer and information sciences},
    title = {Efficient Few-Shot Learning Without Prompts},
    publisher = {arXiv},
    year = {2022},
    copyright = {Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International}
}
```

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