Yes,..
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Tuesday, October 14, 2008 5:22 PM
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Some family member, wanting to castrate Obama. I didn't read the post, anything with Jesse Jackson in the lede is just a big waste of time, and I suspect more and more Americans feel the same way. His time (if you can call it that) is past, and Obama essentially obliterates him to irrelevance.
"Yes, I understand that Barack Obama has eviscerated Jesse Jackson's racket. Whether he becomes president or not..."
Incorrect. He needs to win, period. Should he lose - and you must admit at least the theoretical possibility that he will - it will be blamed on pure racism by a good many people, and Sharpton and Jackson certainly know how to work that angle. In fact, they'll likely be stronger.
A few days ago it was Farrakhan adulating Obama as the next messiah (not just metaphorically, but religiously). Now Jesse Jackson. Obama remains a mystery, mainly due to his devotees. He has distanced himself as clearly as words can make it so, yet they continue to speak for him. Why are they now offended by his cold shouldering them? Why do they assert such support for him even when he loudly declares that his positions are the very opposite to theirs? Why are Gazans working to promote his election? Why are they so sure that he is merely dissimulating, doing what he has to do in order to get elected...?
Noga1, pretty easy answer,
Because these people are stupid. Gazans see the Hussein in his middle name so dupe themselves over that. Farrakhan is an idiot who only sees the color of Obama, and Jackson wants to ruin Obama's chances. Jackson said he wanted to cut Obama's nuts off. As much as I might loathe Palin (and I do) I would never want to cut off any of her body parts. And certainly less so than McCain, who is a deep disappointment but who I still harbor some affection for (deep down), he did make me laugh too many times on the Daily Show to forever resent him. So obviously Jackson is playing some bizarre game.
Beyond that McCain has more than his share of genuine kooks, prominant ones but kooks nonetheless. Unfortunately, he has chosen one as his VP, and others as his advisers.
If McCain had run as the McCain of 2000, then I wouldn't care at all what kook supported him since I would have known they would not have affected his judgment. That is no longer true for him. I see no reason why it is not true for Obama.
So is it safe to say, then, that it's Obama's most devoted adulators who are the most racist among the voters? To whom can they be compared on the McCain side?
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“Jesse Jackson: Obama will rid United States of 'Zionist' control”
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"African and African-American children have a different way of learning."
--From Jeremiah Wright's Speech To NAACP, April 2008
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If this nifty bit of racialism (see below) becomes the "meta-narrative" informing an Obama Administration's policy for public school education, especially for urban public schools, will Liberal Democrats such as Mr. Peretz, especially afer voting for Obama in three weeks time, openly take proud ownership of this “meta-narrative” and its many (unintended or not) effects?
This speech (see below) was much more revealing about Reverend Wright’s real
beliefs--and potentially much more damaging to Barack Obama--than Wright’s National
Press Club speech and Q&A the following day. When ditching Wright, Obama did
an especially effective job of directing the MSM's attention (and therefore,
the public's) towards Wright’s National Press Club appearance and away from
Wright's incendiary NAACP speech. Only Victor Davis Hanson caught the dangerous
import of Wright's NAACP remarks.
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noga, you are joking right? There are far more racists voting for McCain than the reverse. Blacks have traditionally voted 90% plus for the Democrat regardless of color. The only difference this time for blacks is that they will come out in larger numbers to vote, but I simply don't think people exercising their duty to vote should be cast as a negative.
I personally know many people who won't vote for Obama because he is black, and only because he is black, and these are people who normally vote Democratic. They are all elderly relatives so there really is no use arguing with them, so please don't pretend it doesn't exist.
Jesse Jackson is a HUGE JERK, who has become totally irrelevant to liberal politics.. no -- make that irrelevant to EVERYTHING.. nobody cares anymore what he has to say, and one wonders why he's still bothering to open his mouth at all, since NO ONE IS LISTENING...
Apart from all this, his attempt at sabotaging Obama reeks of nothing less than a huge amount of RESENTMENT at the emergence of this new, much more vibrant, pragmatic, brilliant, intellectual, knowledgeable -- and RELEVANT -- African American leader than Jackson ever was -- and who, moreover, is a leader for ALL, not just one segment of the population like Jackson was -- or pretended to be.
Jackson should crawl right back to the hole where he emerged from the other day to spout this drivel clearly intended to derail Obama's campaign.. this clearly demonstrates that Jackson never cared much for the advancement of African Americans, only about HIS OWN advancement, which of course stopped A LONG TIME AGO due to nothing else but Jackson's glaring MEDIOCRITY -- intellectual and otherwise, and his demagoguery.
bkaplovitz, sorry but I have zero interest in the ravings of some minister. Is it really so hard to see that Obama, having grown up in a white family and married a black woman, sought a way to fit into (and understand) the black community and simply picked the wrong church? And having done so, having made friends and found faith and fellowship was reluctant to leave.
Even Catholics who have been molested by priests many have remained in their parish, still attending church, finding a way to seperate the good from the bad. Would you condemn these people as well?
bkaplovitz, your post -- if I understand your argument -- is nonsensical. Why would Obama, who clearly has no time for the conspiracy thinking and race theories of Jeremiah Wright, seek to enact his "meta-narrative" in an Obama education policy? In case you weren't watching last March/April, that kind of screed is exactly what brought about the split between Wright and Obama.
Noga1
Two things. First, the term "racism" when properly deployed describes a social structure. To engage in productive discourse on the subject of "race" we must therefore distinguish it from "bigotry" the proper descriptor for an individual's race based personal beliefs.
Second. If you'll take a minute to do a little research on Obama's base of support, you'll find that it's always been strongest in what Richard Florida dubbed the creative class. During the primary season Obama won every metro area at the top of his index by a 3 to 1 margin - back when the folks you're talking about supported Clinton.
bkaplovitz...
So let me get this straight. A Dr. Hale does cognitive research to determine how children learn and discovers that AA children learn better by learning a subject from someone, i.e. hands on with a teacher versus simply giving them a book to read and taking tests. Reverend Wright then says that it's amazing that for so long AA children have been labeled 'this or that learning disabled' because many may not naturally take to left-brained teaching and recognizing that different teaching techniques need to be used to ensure that children, especially AA children have been disadvantaged by teaching methods that don't work for them. Lots of students benefit from different teaching techniques beyond simply rot memorization of books or direct teaching.
You then conflate this to being 1) racist and 2) automatic that Obama will use his new found position as POTUS to push a black-centric teaching environment. I hate to bust your bubble but Obama's history would show otherwise. When he became president of the Harvard Law Review, his progressive friends, including a majority of the black law students, assumed he would affirmatively advance the 'black' cause by promoting black law students to a majority of the editor positions. Obama did the opposite and assigned editorships to the progressive and conservative law students which didn't exactly sit well with either side.
Re-hashing the old "He sat there for 20 years listening to Wright" meme doesn't go anywhere because by in-large there are equally questionable "judgment" skeletons in McCain's closet. A man that has embraced with warm bear hugs the 'agents of intolerance' he so vehemently dressed down in 2000.
O' and by the way, its worth remembering that folks like Jackson and Sharpton have hated folks like Obama for years ... They said the same "cut off his balls" things about Cory Booker.
Ben Cohen from Z-word blog:
"Given that we are less than a month from the Presidential election, it’s not surprising that much of the media coverage of Jackson’s statement has focused on why he apparently thinks speaking out like this is a help to the Obama campaign. For those of us taking a longer view, what stands out is the persistence of the theme - common on the left, but pushed most aggressively by conservative academics like John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt - that, in Jackson’s words, “Zionists control” US policy, or, as Pat Buchanan put it in 1990, that “Capitol Hill is Israeli-occupied territory.”
It’s a position that reeks of antisemitism (the old “Jewish power” theme) and of the emotion which frequently accompanies it - bitterness, because advocates of a US strategic shift away from Israel have consistently failed to make their case. What the “Zionist lobby” obsessives refuse to understand is well-put by the American Jewish Committee statement condemning Jackson: “It is this commonality of shared values and shared interests, and not Jackson’s conspiratorial notions of power, that unite Israel and America.”
blog.z-word.com/.../jesse-jackson-falls-off-the-wagon
You people are deluding yourself if you think Obama being president is going to mean the end to racism. When he loses in 2012 or steps down in 2016, chances are pretty damned high that a white person is going to be running the show then. And blacks are then going to revert back to the usual trope about discrimination and what not. Ask New York or Detroit or Newark or any city with a black mayor whether they think discrimination exists in the city or not. Racism is a state of the mind - grievance mongers will always find something to scream about.
jwl2672: "You people are deluding yourself if you think Obama being president is going to mean the end to racism."
Who on earth are you talking to? I can't recall a single poster ever making a claim like that on these boards. What various people have said -- speculatively -- is that Obama's success indicates that the grip that "racial" thinking has had on white American voters has weakened considerably.
Wow jwl12672, thanks for enlightening my feeble AA mind! Racism is just a state of mind! That is so wonderful to know! Please inform my father of this discovery. The other day he informed me that while getting out of his car (which now displays an Obama sticker) a fellow Marylander of the Caucasian persuasion leaned out of his car window as he drove by and screamed "Nigger" at him. But, perhaps my father was just in the grip of a fearsome delusion and was hearing voices and seeing things.
Please! I have rarely come across such ignorant rubbish during the past year of my frequenting this site save from the few delusional trolls that are often called out by other commenters. If only racism were merely a state of mind held by those who claim to suffer from it. In addition to this nation's long history of racism of various stripes and varieties, the current rancor of some of the more outspoken followers of the McCain campaign show that people are not just imagining racism. While this campaign has also highlighted how far our country has progressed when it comes to racism, When people sell Obama waffles, waive around stuffed monkeys they name after Obama and unabashedly tell NYT reporters that they won't vote for Obama because he is black or even because he is bi-racial and they feel interracial relationships are a sin, I don't think we can argue racism is just a delusion held by minorities. it also has shown that racism and racial prejudice is still very much alive.
I don't' think any rational person would argue that Obama's election would erase racism. However, I do think to many it is a sign of the progress of our nation and hope for the future. Do I expect the president's following him to be minorities? Not necessarily. However, I am now no longer so clearly convinced that such an occurrence is impossible.
(I hope I just misread your comment, but upon rereading it I am still convinced it is utter tripe.)
Is Jackson really so far off with his predictions? Is this a taste of things to come?
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