Question: On the German Chinese web page [here](https://dict.leo.org/forum/viewWrongentry.php?idThread=1373913&lang=de&lp=chde) there is a question about the use of 把
in 我们把那张画儿挂上去吧。So I thought, just rearrange to 我们挂上去那幅画吧。to try to explain.

However, my friend, 晓云, immediately said: 笨蛋的老外，这样不行！

I asked why, she immediately said, "我们把那张画儿挂上去吧。is how we say it."

"But if I don't use 把？" I asked?

She said, " 我们挂上那幅画吧。is OK.

Now I would like to know what you think and if possible, why 我们挂上去那幅画吧。with 上去 is not acceptable, but, if I leave out the 去， 我们挂上那幅画吧。is acceptable. How are they different?

Answer: 
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> [1. 我们] [2. 挂] [3. 上去] [4. 那幅画] [5. 吧]
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> [1. subject] [2. verb] [3. directional (verb) complement] [4. object] [5. final particle]
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The problem here is, in Chinese grammar, the object should be inserted between the 'verb' and the 'directional complement'

The following is the correct structure:

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> [1. 我们] [2. 挂] [3. 那幅画] [4. 上去] [5. 吧]
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> [1. subject] [2. verb] [3. object] [4. directional (verb) complement] [5. final particle]
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> *why 我们挂上去那幅画吧。with 上去 is not acceptable, but, if I leave out the 去， 我们挂上那幅画吧。is acceptable. How are they different?*
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The reason why "我们挂上去那幅画吧" is not acceptable has been explained above.

* "我们挂上那幅画吧" is not technically incorrect, but the meaning is ambitious. Since the indirect object is omitted, it could mean "我们(在身上)挂上那幅画吧" or "我们(在墙上)挂上那幅画吧"

In summary:

* Both "我们把那张画儿挂上去吧" and "我们挂那幅画上去吧" are clear and correct
* 我们挂上去那幅画吧 is grammatically incorrect
* 我们挂上那幅画吧 is too ambitious, it needs an indirect object
* *我们挂那幅画吧 actually removed the ambiguity, because '挂上' is equally applicable for 'on person' and 'on the wall', while '挂' strongly implied 'to hang (on the wall)'*

Example of [verb]+ [direct object] +[indirect object]

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> In " I give you a toy", 'you' is the indirect object, and 'toy' is the direct object
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> similarly, in "我们(在墙上)挂上那幅画吧", '那幅画' is the direct object, '墙'is the indirect object
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I don’t know how to explain it .if you don’t use 把 that sounds weird .But it does not affect the meaning of the sentence.