 or whatever to appear human, but at the climax of the movie his "true" Muun form is revealed.
This also adresses the potential problem of von Sydow's age (85). If he is able to reprise the role in Episodes VIII and IX, well and good. If he is not available, Plagueis now appears in his Muun incarnation instead.
Thus the films will also remain compatible with the (well-received) Plagueis novel, only with the new element that Plaguies somehow tricked Palpatine and wasn't really killed by him after all. Perhaps he simply kept a low profile during the OT, using his von Sydow-ish disguise.
I would NOT want to see Palpatine reduced to a mere front figure; so much of the story depends on him genuinely being the Big Bad. But perhaps the Bigger Bad was out there, biding his time and maybe even using the Rebellion as his instrument to effect vengeance on Palpatine. (Maybe it was Plagueis who made sure the Rebels got the Death Star plans, for instance?)
Good suggestion Cenindo
I was thinking along the same lines: Plagueis was betrayed by Palpatine and fooled Palpy into thinking he had killed him, letting him finish the job of eliminating the Jedi while Plagueis stays in hiding and waits for the right time to re-appear and rebuild the Sith Order
What a brilliant post lol. The ideal reply for a Mr. Echo-07's article.
Nice article congrats! I really hope to see another villain... Because those cons u already wrote are very important for me.... Where he has been for 35 years?.... I hope they dont come with something like.... When palpatine got killed he went into a slumber or something like that... I dont know i feel like this new enemy should be something epic... Like evil himself! The dark side of the force reincarnated... But not plagueis.... Just my opinion!
Darth Plagueis is dead, lets move on.
So is Boba Fett. Let's move on.
Yeah, bring back characters from the dead is pretty stupid, they might as well have clone palpatine.. Is it so hard to bring in a new villain?
Um how is it bringing back a dead character if he never died? That's the point of this article.. He may have survived and went into hiding without palpatine knowing, and then trained sith, which he then makes his presence known at this point in time, which we know is set 35 years after return of the Jedi. It's plausible.
Why not bring back Hayden Christian to play a cloned version of Darth Vader there we go Vader's back on the big screen!
The Boba Fett comment was a low blow, there's no emotional connection to Darth Platapus unless you're a PT nerd. We never saw Boba die...just sayin.
Darth Plagueis would've been a cool, iconic villain - in the PT. Sixty years later? Not so much... -_-
Darth Plagueis is back or he would not have been mentioned in the ROTS
Boba`s escape is pretty easy to put into film, he rigs his jet pack to explode and kicks it basically into the gut of the sarlac it explodes he gets found half dead by Dengar whom we never see after his moments on the star destroyer and is Bobas wet nurse til he can function again! a salve ship which is Boba`s Slave 1 is enslaved to his wrist which is a computer console.. this is common knowledge, Where as Plagiues had his throat cut with a light saber by a powerful sith lord... Apples and Oranges.. Boba`s early years would make a good three film run, Boba`s later years a hell of a good set of films.. And even though he was kidding Landos adventures wold make a great set of films sadly you would have to recast!. Luke is Luke he`s got no flash no real charisma he is what he is.. Leia is annoying pretty much never found her that attractive even as a slave on jabbas throne.. There are tons of movies that could be made. These 3 films should have furthered the story of the skywalkers which was the original 1-9 story line Anakin -Luke -Ben!! but then id love to see Cade Skywalker the drugged out bounty hunters tales on screen even animated would be a great adult oriented show.. which we need some of!!!
And plagueis looks like voldemort! That sucks imo for a saga far more important like star wars
I hope he's kept away from EpVII. Nothing about the character is interesting or appealing. Especially the EU version.
Of course the blind EU hate can never stop...
I know right. Hate the EU! Hate the prequels! Hate everything Star Wars but the OT and puppets!
Give in to your hatred! Let the hate flooooow through you! Good! GOOOOD!
Darth Plagueis could be a terrific villian. It would be brilliant. He may not be new to us. But for general masses, he will be damn new. "Hey he was Emperor's master!" will be the general talk.. that would be enough.. getting the father, son, daughter and mortis will not have such effect. But who knows..
Dont get me wrong, this would all be very awesome and make for a great story!
But i do think we will get a new villain.But Plagueis would be cool lore wise.
Just imagine Sydown voice to this awesome CGI character played by Serkis.
This is the best article I've ever read on this site, Echo-07. Bravo! Excellent research and analysis!
Here is another point in favor of Darth Plagueis being in Episode VII that everyone overlooks:
Disney is desperate for a Lord of the Rings type epic.
Since the early 2000s, the corporation has gone after Narnia, unsuccessfully tried launching their own franchises dealing with sorcery (Prince of Persia, Sorcerer's Apprentice, John Carter, etc.) They have even incorporated Lord of the Rings-ish epicness in Pirates of the Caribbean (Davy Jones's immortal heart in a box). In all these movies I mentioned, there is one Big Bad Guy (ie, Sauron) with many (sometimes armies) of bad guy followers (ie, orcs.)
Would it not be logical to assume that VII, VIII, and IX will be about a Sith uprising, with a head Sith guy commanding a legion of sith followers? This theory fits, because remember too:
Morriband.
What better use for a Sith planet than to have a secret location where the sith can train, multiply, and grow in power and numbers (ie, Mordor.)!
Also, take into consideration the nature of the Force: it always blances itself between Light and Dark, with no one-side being dominant for long. Would it also be too illogical to assume that the Dark side must multiply to compensate for the Jedi who flourished after Return of the Jedi, (trained by Luke Skywalker, or others)?
What a stupid change of name...Morriband....not like Mordor but like moron....
Or maybe Sidious lied and Plagueis never died but was in the background to make sure the Sith survived, and now he is reado to strike.
There is absolutely no reason for Palpatine to have not killed Plagueis. It's pretty clear that the emperor didn't want any other sith around that could match his power.
If they do bring back Plagueis, they'll need to redesign him. We can't have another noseless evil wizard. But Palpatine could just have been mistaken and think Plagueis is dead.... afterall the guy claimed to know a thing or two about immortality.
How can an immortal villain ever be permanently defeated?
Dude, this site is so great. You guys are awesome. I truly hope that we'll see Plagueis for the first time in the big screen.
One big problem with this theory (which is a theory I actually like) is that Lucas has said before that the Sith can't come back after death. He even stopped an episode of The Clone Wars from having Bane and Revan appear as Force Ghosts because of it. His reasoning is that the only way to retain identity is to be selfless and balanced, something a Sith could never do by their very nature. I know George has changed his mind many times before, but this seems like something that has only been reinforced over time in his mind.
The only way this theory could work is to use the transference idea, and it fits very well with the comparison to The Exorcist. It is a very creepy idea that this Sith spirit has been leaching onto other beings all this time in order to survive. The only thing I wonder is why it takes this long for him to become a real threat? What happens between ROTJ and EP7 that allows him to become a large enough threat? I don't think it would work to make him the power behind the Emperor as Palps was already defeated, and it makes Plagueis look a bit too weak if he was already thwarted 30 years ago. And it also doesn't fit with Palpatine being so smug when he is describing how Plagueis was so easily killed.
It would be nice to see the article updated to reflect what Lucas has said on the